Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee public hearing, March 22, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 11: what is it i

[0:00:02] Voice 7: know i forget that

[0:00:03] Voice 4: thank you thank thank please thank the administrative staff

[0:00:06] Voice 4: i did notice that we have no participants on zoom and i was concerned that that zoom wasn't

[0:00:11] Voice 4: and then ignore that now anyway as i said i have no participants and it now says it's being

[0:00:31] Voice 4: live streamed my apologies for anybody that was was trying to watch the live stream uh that's my

[0:00:38] Voice 4: my fault I started the zoom meeting and the recording but forgot to start the live stream

[0:00:43] Voice 4: and that's my fault and you will be able to go back and watch the relatively uneventful

[0:00:49] Voice 4: first 20 minutes of this meeting and the public hearing if you wish on our report anything

[0:00:57] Voice 4: further from the projects I'm sorry the applications for status with record from the trustees no

[0:01:03] Voice 4: for me thank you trustee package nothing um then at page 98 for information is our uh our expense

[0:01:15] Voice 4: report i want to note this is uh that ltc trust the expenses remain at zero congratulations

[0:01:26] Voice 4: there's something arising out of that

[0:01:29] Voice 4: but we need to get our accounting up to date um if i may this is the report the end of january

[0:01:39] Voice 4: so we have nine days uh left till the end of this fiscal period and we have 149 000

[0:01:47] Voice 4: you can just comment um we're using way way way behind and i was wondering if

[0:01:56] Voice 4: uh our um please

[0:02:01] Voice 5: sure

[0:02:02] Voice 4: so um we did come across uh thanks to trustee patrick's diligence as always we

[0:02:08] Voice 4: uh an accounting error with uh salt screen gang's village we will be addressing it once uh director

[0:02:15] Voice 4: mobs in terms of your invitation so that's a difference in the budget of 65 versus 92 000.

[0:02:22] Voice 4: uh but the uh 65 000 plus a few extra dollars i would estimate another seven this is on track

[0:02:30] Voice 4: to be spent uh for the audience studio uh engagement process that's going on um the

[0:02:37] Voice 4: coordinator expenses i'm not sure where that's projected right now but it should be closed

[0:02:42] Voice 4: uh communication events that's being spent with a lot of um which is coming out again

[0:02:49] Voice 4: And what I can go down to is where the zero is.

[0:02:54] Voice 4: The Swipper Project Weston Lake, that $30,000 has been carried over.

[0:02:59] Voice 4: That deliverable is on track to be at the end of April.

[0:03:02] Voice 4: And that was just CRD managing that project.

[0:03:05] Voice 4: It takes them even longer to get things up to date than ourselves.

[0:03:09] Voice 4: No science.

[0:03:10] Voice 4: It's just difficult to do.

[0:03:12] Voice 4: The watershed prediction plan is on its way.

[0:03:16] Voice 4: The first deliverable draft has been 10,000, so that 20,000 should be done, and then 50

[0:03:24] Voice 4: ,000

[0:03:25] Voice 4: is also being carried over and that will be fully spent in due time, but that'll be projected

[0:03:30] Voice 4: further into the summer.

[0:03:32] Voice 4: Read the first deliverable and then you can leave the money at SOPA, so that's looking

[0:03:38] Voice 4: like that.

[0:03:38] Voice 4: It's going to go well with the CDEF spending.

[0:03:43] Voice 4: That pretty much is where it's at.

[0:03:45] Voice 4: we're not going to do much there but as you know the ltc entrance council approved a thousand dollar

[0:03:51] Voice 4: budget which went and came back um for next year and that's going to be about fire ecology on the

[0:03:58] Voice 4: island and then how that affects that watershed protection uh some very interesting stuff and

[0:04:03] Voice 4: now those are all contract work so that that will be spent as well so that's been projected forward

[0:04:07] Voice 4: um a little bit of a a bump in this whole thing um that just kind of dragged its heels a little

[0:04:15] Voice 4: bit in terms of spending um but you will be getting in april uh uh revised proposals and

[0:04:21] Voice 4: how to spend that and that'll be carried forward and you'll see engagement there is that was the

[0:04:28] Voice 4: one that perhaps wasn't a successful meeting developers in the time period uh but as the

[0:04:35] Voice 4: other speed uh we do anticipate that's essential in the world so yeah and then of course the

[0:04:44] Voice 4: finally the last one cells can help you watch its initiatives that's actually being run by the

[0:04:48] Voice 7: thank you

[0:04:57] Voice 4: stephen yeah i didn't give you numbers because i don't have that that's fine

[0:05:01] Voice 4: that's that's fine that helps that bounces the questions thank you chair okay no problem trustee

[0:05:06] Voice 4: patrick anything arising out of the budget and as we know from trust council money is being rolled

[0:05:12] Voice 4: over the next year among the reasons the budget was what it was um page 99 is the uh regular

[0:05:21] Voice 4: update of this one's from january 25th from the islands trust conservancy uh any questions

[0:05:29] Voice 4: commentary i'm not sure i can read it closely enough to know if there's anything specific

[0:05:34] Voice 4: about salt spring in the air is there anything you wish to either address you wish to say or

[0:05:39] Voice 4: comments related to the conservancy report this is a report that comes out every uh couple of months

[0:05:45] Voice 4: after a meeting uh seeing nothing then uh i see that 7.7 says that the super coordinators report

[0:05:54] Voice 4: uh there is none so i don't know does anybody wish to speak to this issue of swipa yeah

[0:06:01] Voice 4: I

[0:06:02] Voice 11: know Leonard Yowens isn't here, but I know we had asked that we discuss, we had trimmed

[0:06:10] Voice 11: the budget a little bit during the trimming exercise two weeks ago, last week, whenever

[0:06:16] Voice 11: that was.

[0:06:17] Voice 11: Two weeks ago.

[0:06:18] Voice 11: Whenever we were a trust council, six years ago.

[0:06:23] Voice 11: And I don't know what, I wanted to have a discussion on that, so I wasn't, I had no

[0:06:30] Voice 4: preconceived conversations on it.

[0:06:32] Voice 4: this morning perfect i know i had this discussion through the chair um i've had this discussion with

[0:06:38] Voice 4: the planner yeomans um as you recall i believe it was your emotion that the proposed budget

[0:06:44] Voice 4: was 75 500 um and it was trimmed to 60 000. uh that was approved for just council and the question

[0:06:53] Voice 4: for staff was the cost of the contract for next term is sixty thousand dollars for the coordinator

[0:06:59] Voice 4: there. And so we're wondering, should we issue that contract for the full $60,000 that requires

[0:07:06] Voice 4: the whole budget next year? Or would you like us to come back with a revised budget? The assumption

[0:07:12] Voice 4: is we come back with a revised budget, but I did not hear your, I believe you made a speech

[0:07:15] Voice 4: beforehand. So I don't know what your opinion is.

[0:07:18] Voice 11: Well, I mean, one of the issues is you said

[0:07:20] Voice 11: we've been briefed on the report coming. Actually, Trustee Grove, I don't think has been briefed on

[0:07:26] Voice 11: it i only got i've only been briefed a very high level briefing so i've even seen it as a report

[0:07:31] Voice 11: coming out of electronics um so i know there's some recommendations in there so i think the

[0:07:39] Voice 11: direction would be the staff is to you have the report you know that there's opportunities to

[0:07:44] Voice 11: change things i don't know what that's going to look like so do you need a resolution from us

[0:07:48] Voice 11: to tell you to come back with a revised budget for the four years uh

[0:07:52] Voice 4: that's a good point since

[0:07:54] Voice 4: Since the budget has been revised, we just didn't have time to put it on this agenda.

[0:08:00] Voice 7: So

[0:08:01] Voice 4: for clarity, that means we will not issue the coordinator's contract and we'll be in

[0:08:06] Voice 4: a stasis until the next LTC meeting.

[0:08:15] Voice 4: So happy to go whichever way you'd like.

[0:08:17] Voice 4: I also thought, you know, Planner Yeomans is a little more in touch with what the surplus

[0:08:22] Voice 4: funds from this room here may not be and if that can be used for the events and the engagement

[0:08:28] Voice 4: activities that's what this would be coordinated i'm just curious so i

[0:08:32] Voice 11: mean contracts managed by

[0:08:34] Voice 11: staff and i guess good direction from us

[0:08:41] Voice 11: no

[0:08:42] Voice 4: uh we're happy to proceed with issuing the 60 000 the issue of course is that that is the fall

[0:08:48] Voice 4: all since we were not anticipating the change in the SWPA budget right and so it's essentially

[0:08:54] Voice 4: LTC it is the LTC budget we're advising that 60,000 contract would you take up the whole

[0:09:01] Voice 4: budget and was that your intent

[0:09:03] Voice 2: in advising that I just want to suffer simply it was more

[0:09:07] Voice 11: just to acknowledge that there are changes coming that you know this

[0:09:11] Voice 11: report that you have in hand

[0:09:12] Voice 11: but we haven't received yet um indicates change so there's an opportunity to change i don't know

[0:09:19] Voice 11: what that is it's just to bring it all together so it

[0:09:26] Voice 4: looks quite different too so sixty thousand

[0:09:28] Voice 4: dollars for the coordinator contract and that fifteen thousand five hundred for the events

[0:09:33] Voice 4: and um other activities we issued a contract and there's no event state no rain water harvest tour

[0:09:39] Voice 4: there's no publishing of the rain the hardest you might even have an issue

[0:09:52] Voice 11: yeah

[0:09:52] Voice 4: unfortunately we didn't have time yeah no

[0:09:54] Voice 4: i'm going to come back to next meeting

[0:09:56] Voice 4: do you

[0:09:56] Voice 11: need a resolution for us to ask you no okay that's what that was so

[0:09:59] Voice 4: i think that was

[0:10:00] Voice 4: his question is do you

[0:10:01] Voice 4: want to decide give direction today or are you content to wait

[0:10:05] Voice 4: until whenever you're able i

[0:10:07] Voice 11: i am content um the decision that to cut the budget was also related

[0:10:11] Voice 11: to the remaining um surpluses sitting in there which

[0:10:16] Voice 4: would require press council of course to

[0:10:17] Voice 4: get access to that surplus i guess but there is some surplus remaining and i guess my question

[0:10:23] Voice 4: being not to interfere in this an area that i don't know is is there some gap that occurs if

[0:10:28] Voice 4: you don't issue the super coordinator's contract now great question um probably have a little bit

[0:10:36] Voice 4: of uh to streamline what the activities of the coordinator are such that they they can be fulfilled

[0:10:44] Voice 4: we have

[0:10:47] Voice 4: to do whatever between today and the end of the month to prepare for the next meeting the

[0:10:58] Voice 4: next board meeting so i don't think that'd be necessarily an issue our coordinator is

[0:11:01] Voice 4: extraordinary okay

[0:11:04] Voice 10: so

[0:11:06] Voice 4: trust me pastor kind of you're the are you the chair or on the board

[0:11:09] Voice 4: it anyway sir i guess this is over to you are you content to leave it to your next meeting once you

[0:11:15] Voice 4: have more information i

[0:11:16] Voice 11: think so and i can think we talked to seven if you get into a problem

[0:11:25] Voice 4: thanks anything else on swivel nothing uh we have a verbal report on a 7.8 of the agenda

[0:11:32] Voice 4: on the ganges village planning task force does chairs update oh that's you

[0:11:38] Voice 4: you yeah

[0:11:39] Voice 3: just

[0:11:40] Voice 4: sorry i don't i don't know you i'm dan rogers i'm sitting in for peter welcome today

[0:11:44] Voice 4: so

[0:11:44] Voice 3: what i don't know you from i'm

[0:11:46] Voice 4: from keats i'm in

[0:11:48] Voice 4: alcatraz that's

[0:11:49] Voice 3: cool yes i sit on the

[0:11:51] Voice 4: executive i'm the alternate chair for ball three so yeah i'm sorry i don't know your name jenny

[0:11:55] Voice 6: mclean so i'll give my report and um uh this is the first time back in person for a little while

[0:12:03] Voice 6: again and a different building too so there you go um we're going to be having a workshop

[0:12:11] Voice 6: on saturday and sunday and it's going to be all day both of those days and

[0:12:19] Voice 6: there's a pretty full schedule so we decided to hold off on hosting the housing task force and

[0:12:28] Voice 6: the transportation commission and the transportation commission is aware of a full

[0:12:35] Voice 6: date a full two hours that they're going to leave with us in may i believe they're scheduled for and

[0:12:43] Voice 6: anyways the housing will be put off as well and i'm not sure what month they're going to be but

[0:12:50] Voice 6: uh the i did speak to the transportation commission since then because they had a meeting

[0:12:55] Voice 6: yesterday and their chair and vice chair won't be the ones who come to the may meeting because

[0:13:02] Voice 6: they're already pre-booked or double booked but we will get some commissioner who some commissioners

[0:13:08] Voice 6: from the transportation commission who will come and so um what another issue is is that we're

[0:13:17] Voice 6: trying to work out the parameter of ganji's village so hopefully that will be something

[0:13:24] Voice 6: that we absolutely can tick off the list after the weekend workshop because it's sort of basic

[0:13:32] Voice 6: to know what what area we're we're working in and still hasn't been agreed on and uh then there's

[0:13:41] Voice 6: also the vision statement and the elements and uh there's some useful information on the elements

[0:13:51] Voice 6: and i think because you're already familiar with it because you're already the trustees here i

[0:13:57] Voice 6: won't cover all that but uh that's uh what what are and we also have new members which you're

[0:14:03] Voice 6: also familiar with too but that's really cool so at our last meeting it was attended by um

[0:14:11] Voice 6: I believe the name is Robert Steinbach, and Jennifer, who was also kind of somebody who

[0:14:22] Voice 6: phoned in to an Island Trust meeting, and she had a lot of ideas, really creative, good

[0:14:27] Voice 6: ideas about Ganges, and she specializes in the arts, and she's already on the arts spring

[0:14:33] Voice 6: board, so she brings that into our task force, so that's really useful and valuable and good.

[0:14:41] Voice 6: And the other ones who were appointed are Martin Ogilvie and Kathy Ramsey and Francine Carlin.

[0:14:50] Voice 6: So those are people who have quite a bit to do with Ganges.

[0:14:54] Voice 6: And in some cases, their families have had a lot to do with Ganges and businesses in Ganges going back many, many years.

[0:15:03] Voice 6: So that's also very exciting.

[0:15:05] Voice 6: So we will have some of those at the workshop.

[0:15:10] Voice 6: but the like couple of people who came to our last task force meeting can't make the workshop

[0:15:16] Voice 6: because they're also already pre-booked so we'll just see what happens but we're um optimistic

[0:15:23] Voice 6: to get a lot done so that's all i have to say thanks

[0:15:26] Voice 4: very much uh comments from trustees or

[0:15:28] Voice 4: questions well

[0:15:29] Voice 11: i just had some thank you jenny yeah for your report for your dedication to the

[0:15:33] Voice 11: task force and everything that you're doing and and um my comments have nothing to do with you

[0:15:39] Voice 11: it's about the project um i still i sat into last week's meeting my concerns again is that

[0:15:46] Voice 11: i keep hearing land use land use land and i i think as this project from the beginning

[0:15:54] Voice 11: ganges villages represents a collaboration of a lot of players um that touch on

[0:16:01] Voice 11: ganges and will affect what it's going to look like in the future um to be land use as an outcome

[0:16:07] Voice 11: it's not the input and so i'm still i want to make sure that this project is broadly looking

[0:16:13] Voice 11: for collaboration the task force to be the guiding advisory body to us but we need to be bringing in

[0:16:19] Voice 11: the other players in a very meaningful way i look back at the original staff report from october

[0:16:25] Voice 11: 2020 that we approved that and said one of the first steps of this project is to research and

[0:16:29] Voice 11: analysis on existing conditions infrastructures servicing issues climate change impacts in the

[0:16:35] Voice 11: village and and the effect of a meaningful public engagement with key stakeholders and collaborative

[0:16:42] Voice 11: partnerships so we need to really lean into that work and bring more parties in there and i'm

[0:16:51] Voice 11: hoping out of this uh workshop that there will be some structure going forward what are the

[0:16:59] Voice 11: chapters of the report i know there's a lot of talk about chapters of the area plans we were

[0:17:03] Voice 11: We're jumping, we're getting to the end too quickly.

[0:17:05] Voice 11: I think there's a, I don't think we've done this hard work of the first step yet.

[0:17:10] Voice 11: We've got a lot of analysis to understand the situation and where we're going.

[0:17:14] Voice 11: And I really encourage that we lean into that.

[0:17:18] Voice 11: I'm a bit disappointed that we weren't able to get a real meaningful,

[0:17:21] Voice 11: we made the motion that suggested that the housing task force and the Ganges Village task force

[0:17:27] Voice 11: come together for a session during that weekend.

[0:17:29] Voice 11: It was meant to come together.

[0:17:31] Voice 11: and that's um that has it's not going to happen and i'm disappointed because i think the housing

[0:17:38] Voice 11: group is tripping into kansas village about the future of kansas villages in relation to housing

[0:17:43] Voice 11: and um and that was an important step so that's still going to need to happen

[0:17:48] Voice 11: um so i'm just a bit frustrated i really want to encourage that we lean into this partnership and

[0:17:54] Voice 11: who all needs to be involved because the task force is so important but there's so many other

[0:17:59] Voice 11: i had a meeting yesterday with the one of the churches in town they're looking at themselves

[0:18:04] Voice 11: imagining what they're going to be in the future with some rules exactly what we're doing they're

[0:18:09] Voice 11: reaching out involving the other partners and what they could do into the future i think it's a time

[0:18:15] Voice 11: to stop and think what gantt is going to be and it's such an opportunity there's a lot of pain

[0:18:21] Voice 11: still in this community we're coming out of the pandemic and i just see gantt's village

[0:18:26] Voice 11: it's an opportunity to really help be some of the healing that we need to do in this community come

[0:18:33] Voice 11: around with the

[0:18:34] Voice 3: vision of the anxious so

[0:18:36] Voice 11: i think that's the encouragement is let's not try to focus

[0:18:39] Voice 11: on the writing of an area plan and focus on where we're going again so that people come out of this

[0:18:46] Voice 11: feeling good and and that we're not just putting the burden on jenny and the others to say you've

[0:18:53] Voice 11: got to come up with the guarantees it's let's bring in everyone we need to in a slow meaningful

[0:19:00] Voice 11: way it's not going to happen this term i'm okay with that

[0:19:04] Voice 4: fantastic thank you laura well said

[0:19:08] Voice 4: and jenny again as laura said thank you for all your um you mentioned vision plan and i think

[0:19:15] Voice 4: that maybe what laura is talking about is a vision and of for what what ganges to be and i would

[0:19:22] Voice 4: would encourage you to start with that because that's very often it's the most difficult class

[0:19:27] Voice 4: any planning exercise as you know from council um

[0:19:32] Voice 6: well one thing is because we are dealing we

[0:19:36] Voice 6: deal with like um sort of two different directions like we're given and i'd have to probably talk to

[0:19:43] Voice 6: you in private about it so um we are given um a direction to really focus on it being

[0:19:52] Voice 6: like this land use area plan and that's been pretty solidly um pulled to everybody who's

[0:19:59] Voice 6: like in the task force and so we've been told it's not a vision at all so this would mean um

[0:20:08] Voice 6: but that's partly why it's been these two factions going on because one faction was creating

[0:20:15] Voice 6: creating, wishing to create the vision and other faction to create the land use document.

[0:20:22] Voice 6: And even in terms of how something's interpreted, when they came up in our meeting, when someone

[0:20:29] Voice 6: says health, and one person would say, okay, health has to do with a good integration of

[0:20:34] Voice 6: the arts into the community, local places where people can gather, local food security,

[0:20:41] Voice 6: meaningful work that's creating something that will contribute to health another person is saying

[0:20:49] Voice 6: okay in terms of land use the actual use of buildings or land areas that are reserved

[0:20:56] Voice 6: say for institutions that are earmarked toward health that's another interpretation so

[0:21:03] Voice 6: these type of things are it's mainly where the actual group who's the trustees as well as the

[0:21:11] Voice 6: staff really want to go with it and that's why it would be good to meet you before the workshop you

[0:21:16] Voice 6: know because we should talk about it because it's going to go one way or another and the workshop's

[0:21:20] Voice 6: really crucial

[0:21:21] Voice 4: these matters are integrated and we are all about land use planning there's no

[0:21:28] Voice 4: question about that that's what the island's trust local trust does but you can't have

[0:21:32] Voice 4: values planning without a vision where you want to go right um and uh so um and i don't know when

[0:21:41] Voice 4: he was told you you can't go there i don't understand by whom we do oh

[0:21:45] Voice 6: i'm not going to

[0:21:46] Voice 6: say on this public

[0:21:47] Voice 4: meeting but anyway that's fine anyhow

[0:21:49] Voice 4: that's my view and um and uh

[0:21:52] Voice 4: i think

[0:21:55] Voice 11: i think we look at what could we accomplish this term i think coming around

[0:21:59] Voice 11: a solid vision would be a reasonable goal to say that's something you

[0:22:06] Voice 3: know feel good

[0:22:07] Voice 11: about it by

[0:22:08] Voice 11: by the end of this term that we've got a good vision or manages

[0:22:12] Voice 4: um you know at least i could

[0:22:16] Voice 4: say i feel like we accomplished a big checkbox there that we've got something that people feel

[0:22:20] Voice 3: good about i want people to feel good i just feel bad i feel good

[0:22:26] Voice 4: yeah it's better i

[0:22:29] Voice 7: don't

[0:22:31] Voice 4: thank you very much thanks for the report anybody else wish to speak to the report or anything else

[0:22:39] Voice 4: um then we'll move on in the agenda uh i wish you luck in that work and have a great session

[0:22:49] Voice 4: this weekend um i'll take an ambitious project the housing action

[0:22:55] Voice 4: uh program task force chairs

[0:22:57] Voice 4: I

[0:22:58] Voice 11: forgot one other thing before this week they're having a two-day workshop and our refreshments

[0:23:05] Voice 11: aren't going to be out because they're expensive or something I heard some comments

[0:23:14] Voice 4: but not a full lunch

[0:23:17] Voice 11: no lunches but just coffee and food I just feel that providing lunch to

[0:23:23] Voice 11: people who are working all weekend would have been a nice thing to do but there

[0:23:27] Voice 4: is a disagreement

[0:23:34] Voice 4: it's being held in the core i

[0:23:45] Voice 3: think we should find some money

[0:23:46] Voice 4: i was gonna say

[0:23:51] Voice 4: i would help

[0:23:52] Voice 11: pay for lunch if that's the issue because i feel you know we look

[0:23:56] Voice 11: at some of the learnings that we're having with first nations and part of this is sitting down

[0:23:59] Voice 11: having a meal together it's an aspect of coming together and i think i would i think this group

[0:24:06] Voice 11: deserves a meal together can

[0:24:08] Voice 4: be asked stuff to find ways of paying the lunch you know honestly

[0:24:14] Voice 4: i'm not sure at this moment in time um how if that's a feasible thing to coordinate on a tuesday

[0:24:21] Voice 4: four saturday but i can certainly pass that off to the project manager he's not here at the meeting

[0:24:26] Voice 4: right there i

[0:24:31] Voice 3: guess we can order sandwiches from

[0:24:33] Voice 11: undergrocer is

[0:24:34] Voice 4: this sorry is this the housing

[0:24:35] Voice 4: challenges and solution project

[0:24:37] Voice 11: back on this they're having a workshop this weekend oh the

[0:24:40] Voice 4: ganges village yeah

[0:24:42] Voice 11: well

[0:24:44] Voice 4: i'm quite prepared to contribute to that

[0:24:50] Voice 11: so if you work with that out

[0:24:52] Voice 4: or do you want to make a motion or i don't think we have to make

[0:24:54] Voice 4: a motion if we're going to personally contribute or anymore let's make a resolution so it's clear

[0:24:58] Voice 4: to the project manager that that's too stab it or no no he says it's good i said he

[0:25:06] Voice 4: wanted us to

[0:25:06] Voice 4: make a resolution no no yeah he did

[0:25:09] Voice 4: i said things yeah

[0:25:10] Voice 7: that's right yeah i think as

[0:25:11] Voice 4: always the secret

[0:25:13] Voice 4: is now there's a whole movement in my family and they're having a management committee meeting

[0:25:17] Voice 4: about it soon to get me hearing aids it's okay someone would like to make a resolution

[0:25:25] Voice 11: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to provide meals or lunch during the workshop, the Ganges Village workshop.

[0:25:44] Voice 4: On March 26th and 27th?

[0:25:49] Voice 4: Whatever

[0:25:49] Voice 11: this weekend is, yeah.

[0:25:51] Voice 4: Okay, you got that.

[0:25:53] Voice 4: Okay, is there a second?

[0:25:56] Voice 4: I just want to clarify the way I'm going to interpret that then that lunch will be specifically for the facilitator and for the invited attendees, which are the

[0:26:07] Voice 4: participants, the members of the

[0:26:13] Voice 4: participate. Right, but I'm not 100% sure I've heard there are extra people and I'm here for not extra people so

[0:26:17] Voice 4: there won't be

[0:26:20] Voice 6: basically there's new people who were appointed to the task force so um but there's also the two

[0:26:29] Voice 6: people who attended the task force meeting on last thursday morning won't be coming to the

[0:26:36] Voice 6: workshop so staff will figure that out yeah

[0:26:38] Voice 6: we have um we can figure that out

[0:26:43] Voice 6: it's not that many so it's not a huge bunch there

[0:26:45] Voice 4: you go and i'm not worried at all but

[0:26:47] Voice 4: i think i'll be asking planner add stop to

[0:26:50] Voice 4: the list too obviously

[0:26:50] Voice 10: oh yeah okay so there's a

[0:26:53] Voice 10: motion

[0:26:54] Voice 4: that's been moved and seconded uh is there any further discussion related to that we'll call

[0:26:58] Voice 4: the vote all in favor thanks for being there

[0:27:00] Voice 3: thanks great

[0:27:01] Voice 4: super uh nothing else on the ganges

[0:27:05] Voice 4: village then we do have the the next item is the housing action program task force as a chair's

[0:27:10] Voice 4: update is there a stop here so we don't have a chair here does anybody wish to speak to this at

[0:27:15] Voice 4: all uh we do have minutes from them that have already been received he

[0:27:20] Voice 11: may he tends to come

[0:27:21] Voice 11: around lunchtime this is what he's done the last time so do

[0:27:25] Voice 4: you wish to let that ask him to speak

[0:27:27] Voice 4: with if and when he comes i think so

[0:27:29] Voice 4: yes okay so we'll defer 7.9 in case the chair okay so we're

[0:27:35] Voice 4: now on to item eight which is the local trust committee projects it says none uh so we're on

[0:27:41] Voice 4: to new business and the first item on the new business is on page 102. yes sorry sorry just a

[0:27:47] Voice 4: comment from a staff member that i'm chatting with the clicking apparently the sensitivity of the

[0:27:53] Voice 4: mic is quite loud my apologies again apparently technology defeats me um i should get a pen out

[0:28:01] Voice 4: that doesn't click so thank you for letting me

[0:28:03] Voice 4: know that could have been me clicking mine um

[0:28:06] Voice 4: Um, and, uh, yes. Okay. I should probably mute my computer and maybe that would do it. But in any

[0:28:16] Voice 4: case, I will stop fiddling. Uh, dormant applications. Who's presenting this? Uh,

[0:28:22] Voice 4: I'll leave it to you, Mr. Chair. Okay. It's page 102 for those following along.

[0:28:30] Voice 4: Mr. Chair, I'm going to be brief with all my reports. Um, this is a regular, uh, uh, report

[0:28:35] Voice 4: that we try to bring to the LDC every six months.

[0:28:39] Voice 4: The purpose is to present dormant applications

[0:28:43] Voice 4: that are active, whether within a year

[0:28:45] Voice 4: or within a sort of established timeline.

[0:28:48] Voice 4: You have them report a number of applications,

[0:28:51] Voice 4: including SSRZ2013.7, SSRZ2021.2,

[0:28:59] Voice 4: SSDB2021.5 and

[0:29:01] Voice 7: SSDB dormant.

[0:29:08] Voice 4: We do have one correspondence,

[0:29:10] Voice 4: I believe, from SSRZ 2013.7, who has expressed continually the belief that they're going

[0:29:20] Voice 4: to get community water, there's no actual evidence of that, but that's the request to

[0:29:24] Voice 4: the LDC that they want you to know that.

[0:29:27] Voice 4: So staff's recommendation is to close all the development applications.

[0:29:34] Voice 4: Trustee, Trustee Grover.

[0:29:35] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm, this is a correspondence from Eric Booth with regard to the, thank you very much, Swanson Pond, that's been on our agenda for as long as I can remember, which is 11 years, I didn't think it's that bad, but anyway, I mean, I do think he has a point, and I'm quite happy to leave it for another six months.

[0:30:04] Voice 3: Yeah, I've been speaking with

[0:30:07] Voice 11: some of the people in the neighborhood there, and while

[0:30:10] Voice 11: questions as to what the desire is there, the current property is owned with 30 units,

[0:30:16] Voice 11: doesn't address any of the transportation challenges, the high school, the drop off

[0:30:21] Voice 11: road behind there has become quite busy in the mornings, and also the existing zoning

[0:30:28] Voice 11: doesn't really allow for affordable housing.

[0:30:30] Voice 11: So I think leaving this open for perhaps there's opportunities here as the rezoning progresses

[0:30:35] Voice 11: to deal with some of these issues that are important for and associated with that property.

[0:30:43] Voice 11: So I'm okay with leaving that one.

[0:30:44] Voice 4: Thank you, Lauren.

[0:30:45] Voice 4: I do think that you're effective where there is opportunities.

[0:30:48] Voice 4: I think it does present opportunities, and I don't think you should brush them down

[0:30:51] Voice 4: there.

[0:30:52] Voice 4: Whatever.

[0:30:55] Voice 4: That's not into the pond.

[0:30:57] Voice 4: I can't do that.

[0:30:59] Voice 4: I mean, these are your obligations.

[0:31:01] Voice 4: I'm not going to interfere. I will say I find it. I did go and read all of the correspondence related.

[0:31:07] Voice 4: There's 13.7. It's not controversy as you read the application.

[0:31:13] Voice 4: And I recognize Mr. Booth's name, of course, as someone who wants us to be more efficient in processing applications.

[0:31:22] Voice 4: Reminds us about it continually. And here's one that's nine years old.

[0:31:25] Voice 4: but i take my guidance from my local trustee so uh what would you like to do in terms of the four

[0:31:32] Voice 4: recommended applications as to whether they should stay open i'm here i've already talked to 213.7

[0:31:39] Voice 4: what about the other three i

[0:31:42] Voice 11: assume that staff have done the diligence to reach out to the

[0:31:46] Voice 11: applicants and they're not moving they're not

[0:31:48] Voice 4: moving so sorry go ahead sorry i'm trying to

[0:31:55] Voice 4: And on page 103, the 269 Lower Ganges Road, that's a dormant application notice sent to

[0:32:12] Voice 4: the applicant.

[0:32:13] Voice 4: The applicant advised no longer working on file and forward with these to the new applicant

[0:32:17] Voice 4: and no further response received.

[0:32:20] Voice 4: I'm just wondering if there's any kind of explanation

[0:32:22] Voice 3: as to what's going on.

[0:32:23] Voice 3: I

[0:32:27] Voice 4: think that's a question for you, sir.

[0:32:29] Voice 4: yeah no that is all we know is the applicant hasn't moved on and the owner hasn't responded

[0:32:34] Voice 4: and they have no new applicants and i think what happens is they they just don't show

[0:32:39] Voice 4: confidence right now that they have the services needed that's too bad anyway so so so the

[0:32:51] Voice 5: it's sad that you know one of the reasons we bring these government applications up

[0:32:55] Voice 5: is uh

[0:33:03] Voice 4: some of these get to the point that um we've sort of exceeded what's the normal

[0:33:14] Voice 7: yeah

[0:33:17] Voice 4: i mean absolutely and you're doing the right thing so i can make motion

[0:33:23] Voice 4: chair if you like go ahead i move the source panel trust me direct start to close application

[0:33:28] Voice 4: patient files colon SSRZ 2021.2, SSDB 2021.5, and SSDB 2021.4, and to provide this with

[0:33:44] Voice 4: a six-month extension for RZ 2013.7 period.

[0:33:53] Voice 4: There's a motion.

[0:33:54] Voice 4: I'll turn to get that.

[0:33:55] Voice 3: I can read it back?

[0:33:56] Voice 4: Sure.

[0:34:00] Voice 3: but

[0:34:00] Voice 1: the salt spring island local trust committee direct staff to close

[0:34:04] Voice 1: application files ss rz 2021.2 ssdp 2021.5 ssdvp 2021.4 and provide a six-month extension for file

[0:34:20] Voice 1: ss rz 2013.7 that's

[0:34:24] Voice 4: the motion that was made is there a second for that any further discussion

[0:34:28] Voice 4: from either of the trustees nothing said i'll call the vote all in favor that passes thank you very

[0:34:34] Voice 4: much thank you for bringing that to our attention um i must say that i'll just say this is not a

[0:34:41] Voice 4: standard activity on other islands and maybe it should be standard activity we don't get german

[0:34:47] Voice 4: applications well they just sleep well they do until the trustee says what are we going to do

[0:34:54] Voice 4: about that thank you mr chair yeah i wholeheartedly agree with you um we have an outstanding actually

[0:35:01] Voice 4: ltc's request on salt spring to amend our meeting procedures by law and would like to formalize that

[0:35:06] Voice 4: in that procedures by law it's just the legislation so yeah i know

[0:35:14] Voice 7: it's a good

[0:35:14] Voice 4: it's a good idea

[0:35:16] Voice 4: and uh although nobody has the volume of applications that salt spring has but we do

[0:35:21] Voice 4: have a number of them but it becomes more ad hoc this is a probably a good policy for that but we

[0:35:28] Voice 4: have a reputation for extraordinary efficiency exactly so so let's then move in with an

[0:35:35] Voice 4: efficient manner to 9.1.2 to expansion of salt spring ltc sector meetings and i think this is

[0:35:42] Voice 4: a verbal report from trustee patrick and ferguson well

[0:35:46] Voice 11: thank you um i think the meetings that we've

[0:35:50] Voice 11: we've been having with the Agricultural Ag Alliance

[0:35:53] Voice 11: and the Agricultural Planning Commission

[0:35:55] Voice 11: has resulted in really moving our relationship

[0:35:58] Voice 11: from what it wasn't helping to,

[0:36:02] Voice 11: which I think is now very healthy

[0:36:04] Voice 11: and it really demonstrated how we moved so quickly

[0:36:07] Voice 11: on a bylaw to be able to close

[0:36:09] Voice 11: the Agricultural Land Commission's permissions for housing

[0:36:12] Voice 11: in the ALR as fast as we did

[0:36:14] Voice 11: was because of that relationship.

[0:36:16] Voice 11: I think I'm hearing a lot

[0:36:18] Voice 11: from the building construction and trades

[0:36:21] Voice 11: um that they feel that they're not being heard and that we're not listening to them i know

[0:36:28] Voice 11: they're trying to dust off an association that they formed years ago and formalize that again

[0:36:35] Voice 11: that's kind of the process um i think this you know to just initiate like we did with

[0:36:42] Voice 11: agriculture we had aid eating i think they primarily made their feelings known to us

[0:36:48] Voice 11: for a while but then we decided to meet more regularly in a group so i think we owe you know

[0:36:54] Voice 11: should do something similar to that with the moment trades at least schedule a meeting a

[0:36:59] Voice 11: special meeting and see where it goes um how we can because uh i i think

[0:37:07] Voice 4: it would be a very very

[0:37:09] Voice 4: meaningful thing so what would that look like from someone from the outside how would that just be a

[0:37:17] Voice 4: trustee to the group

[0:37:19] Voice 11: or is it we had a special no we had a special meeting whole trust uh we did

[0:37:23] Voice 11: we do them the vagaries and if you're not late today four o'clock or something we have a later

[0:37:28] Voice 11: later in the day one hour meeting essentially um and we did we had one meeting we scheduled a

[0:37:35] Voice 11: meeting and uh just to feel out

[0:37:37] Voice 11: each other uh they were invited guests it was a public open meeting

[0:37:43] Voice 11: And then we, you know, we made the decision to continue to meet at that meeting.

[0:37:49] Voice 11: So I think it would just be a similar format is at least plan a meeting, a special meeting

[0:38:00] Voice 11: with whether

[0:38:03] Voice 4: it's this association or how to properly open that meeting to this group

[0:38:10] Voice 4: of this industry sector um it

[0:38:16] Voice 11: would just be a beginning it's it will not be a pretty meeting

[0:38:19] Voice 11: i think we're going to get a year full but that's okay i think they need that opportunity

[0:38:25] Voice 4: and you're suggesting a formal ltc meeting special meeting with

[0:38:29] Voice 4: a special meeting to

[0:38:30] Voice 4: so uh do your staff have any comment on that or if there's a comment

[0:38:36] Voice 4: um you know i'd like at this stage walk into political realm i would be interested patrick

[0:38:41] Voice 4: that the meeting with the agricultural community

[0:38:42] Voice 4: has been effective.

[0:38:43] Voice 4: It's led to final amendments

[0:38:44] Voice 4: that are progressive in the legislation change.

[0:38:49] Voice 4: I informed, perhaps not a trusted goal,

[0:38:52] Voice 4: but the other to do that.

[0:38:54] Voice 4: So we're losing our esteemed minute taker

[0:38:56] Voice 4: for several months.

[0:38:59] Voice 4: And the default,

[0:39:01] Voice 4: we haven't been able to find a replacement.

[0:39:02] Voice 4: We've been advertising for quite some time.

[0:39:04] Voice 4: The default goes to our administrative staff.

[0:39:07] Voice 4: And I don't want to give away your contract details too much,

[0:39:10] Voice 4: but each meeting,

[0:39:11] Voice 4: uh is roughly you know in hours spent on a minute either double or triple the amount of hours the

[0:39:17] Voice 4: meeting is itself and so taking that with our admin team we have four advisory planning commissions

[0:39:24] Voice 4: going on a dozen you know or so regular meetings and there's a lot going on to put it mildly

[0:39:30] Voice 4: that is now saying so and that has domino effects as you've been there now one meeting will not

[0:39:41] Voice 4: like the bank so staff's comments are not that this is uh we cannot do it but but this is to

[0:39:47] Voice 4: inform people that we before we'll be seeking other solutions um such as uh task forces and

[0:39:54] Voice 4: commissions doing their own minutes and things like that so i am aware that the other islands

[0:39:59] Voice 4: do that um but we don't appear we've been able to sort of well i will on all the groups we've

[0:40:06] Voice 4: done it since my whole time we've been here providing the minute takers providing the

[0:40:10] Voice 4: extra staff support and so on and so forth but we might have to find a way through the

[0:40:15] Voice 4: bylaw which allows that appointment of the secretary um it might be an appointment in-house

[0:40:20] Voice 4: like my point is where we really got where we'll be struck for administrative resources

[0:40:27] Voice 4: um and so while you're doing this meeting it may uh step may not sort of be supportive so much

[0:40:32] Voice 4: i don't

[0:40:37] Voice 11: think this is doesn't need to be scheduled right away i think it's making

[0:40:40] Voice 11: the commitment to start with the one meeting and find a time that you

[0:40:44] Voice 11: know this group i think is

[0:40:46] Voice 11: just forming itself so

[0:40:48] Voice 11: i think um it's an important gesture to make at this point to commit to the

[0:40:52] Voice 11: meeting and you know and start with a meeting when it's important to do it and uh that's how i would

[0:40:59] Voice 11: look at it it doesn't have to happen between now and the next meeting and

[0:41:04] Voice 4: what i hear is is that

[0:41:05] Voice 4: from the first meeting of the agriculture has turned into something more and it may or may not

[0:41:10] Voice 4: turn into something and then you could discuss some of the considerations the trust that the

[0:41:15] Voice 4: rpm brought up but you want to make a motion uh

[0:41:18] Voice 11: sure i think you'll need

[0:41:20] Voice 4: a resolution sure

[0:41:21] Voice 11: i i

[0:41:22] Voice 11: move that the salt spring island local trust committee uh direct staff to organize a meeting

[0:41:27] Voice 11: a special meeting a special meeting with the local trust

[0:41:32] Voice 4: committee and the building construction

[0:41:40] Voice 4: The amendment I want to get in there at a mutually acceptable time, bearing in mind what Stefan has just been saying to us, I mean it may not be that easy for us to have

[0:41:57] Voice 3: a mutually

[0:41:59] Voice 4: convenient time, so

[0:42:02] Voice 3: it

[0:42:03] Voice 4: goes without saying as well.

[0:42:05] Voice 4: I agree to that on the motion.

[0:42:06] Voice 4: Okay, did you get that at the end? And you

[0:42:08] Voice 1: got the original

[0:42:09] Voice 4: amendment? Yeah, go ahead.

[0:42:10] Voice 1: uh that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff to schedule a special

[0:42:14] Voice 1: meeting with the local trust committee and the building construction and trade sector

[0:42:19] Voice 1: at a mutually convenient time

[0:42:22] Voice 4: okay that's been second like i'm assuming

[0:42:26] Voice 4: that you guys have a good idea who that includes because it could be a fairly broad

[0:42:33] Voice 4: spectrum of people from the guy who does rebuilds decks we have a guy he's called odd job

[0:42:41] Voice 3: rob

[0:42:41] Voice 4: rob i'm saying rob that's not his name but uh to uh to a full-on construction but

[0:42:48] Voice 4: you'll figure that out

[0:42:49] Voice 11: yeah there is a there is an association group that was formed 20 years ago

[0:42:54] Voice 11: the history of that

[0:42:55] Voice 11: why it was formed i think in relation to some application

[0:42:58] Voice 11: i think they're trying to the big organization exists they're trying to repopulate it and get

[0:43:03] Voice 11: it up and running so there may be an entity

[0:43:05] Voice 11: okay

[0:43:07] Voice 4: super so we've got a second yes trustee

[0:43:10] Voice 4: gross sorry are we voted on that no we are unless there's somebody else that wishes i'll call the

[0:43:15] Voice 4: vote all in favor that passes you that much thanks very much i have a question if i may

[0:43:19] Voice 4: um they'll hear that our esteemed minute is going to be no more temporarily

[0:43:28] Voice 1: from april to september until

[0:43:30] Voice 4: september that's all right okay because otherwise we'll have to

[0:43:32] Voice 4: have a special meeting with the local trust committee to approve that i

[0:43:35] Voice 11: know that's what

[0:43:36] Voice 11: i told

[0:43:36] Voice 4: you we were talking about that before you arrived uh that she needed a resolution

[0:43:41] Voice 4: and permission to be able to accept them so red letter like september the first

[0:43:47] Voice 4: anything further on 9.1.2 from either then we'll go to 9.1.3 which is at page 123 and this is your

[0:43:58] Voice 4: uh there's a staff report uh rpm so i'm actually going to say anything further related to this

[0:44:04] Voice 4: coming back from executive committee having been approved by and it's here for adoption trustees

[0:44:10] Voice 4: anybody want to make a motion or say anything all

[0:44:13] Voice 11: right i'll i'll move with the salt spring

[0:44:15] Voice 4: island local trust committee bylaw number five two seven sided with the salt spring island

[0:44:21] Voice 4: local trust committee fees bylaw coming from

[0:44:24] Voice 3: the adoption second

[0:44:25] Voice 4: any discussion so make

[0:44:31] Voice 4: julia um to

[0:44:33] Voice 11: get it adopted it

[0:44:34] Voice 4: might be it might be i was going to say you might be the

[0:44:38] Voice 4: first to get adopted anyway i think we might have adopted on galliano i can't be

[0:44:43] Voice 4: sure anyway um

[0:44:45] Voice 4: or on me okay so i'll just call a vote all in favor that passes unanimously congratulations

[0:44:50] Voice 4: i think julie director mom's great her budget will become more relevant um i wonder if we seem to be

[0:45:01] Voice 4: ahead of schedule is there are there any items that we can do before and i don't know your

[0:45:08] Voice 4: process well enough to know but are there any items that are farther on the agenda we could

[0:45:12] Voice 4: nice i suggest we get through the correspondence uh we could do that unless people do generally

[0:45:20] Voice 4: people and consultants come and speak to their correspondence i guess they could do that anyway

[0:45:23] Voice 4: there may be but we're on we're being videoed we're being quartered people it's

[0:45:28] Voice 1: not is that

[0:45:29] Voice 1: all right with

[0:45:29] Voice 4: you acceptable to you trustee patrick you wish

[0:45:32] Voice 11: you that

[0:45:33] Voice 4: would move us to

[0:45:34] Voice 4: i know some

[0:45:34] Voice 11: people interested but uh we discuss the news i

[0:45:40] Voice 4: suppose when we come to the town hall

[0:45:43] Voice 4: you can point out that um we have reviewed correspondence earlier and that if anybody

[0:45:49] Voice 4: in particular has any points to make about that correspondence well well let's do this we could

[0:45:56] Voice 4: they could raise it in the town hall and we could reconsider anything that we have discussed about

[0:46:00] Voice 4: in terms of correspondence so um i'm happy to walk through the one by one or

[0:46:05] Voice 9: right

[0:46:06] Voice 4: and that's fine that's what they want and that starts with page 131 so we've moved to item

[0:46:12] Voice 4: 13 on the agenda which is correspondence received by the local trust committee regarding a series of

[0:46:19] Voice 4: events a series of items um and so i'll just move the through one by one 13.1 from mr roe um

[0:46:28] Voice 4: is there any action or that's either trustee or promise

[0:46:34] Voice 11: it's part of a conversation and i and i know i don't recall if we looked into that that

[0:46:40] Voice 11: whether it's in pulver or ganges that old dock segments with you know exposed

[0:46:47] Voice 11: uh styrofoam you know the white styrofoam are not being disposed of and removed they

[0:46:57] Voice 11: appear as you know floating islands now you know island marinas everywhere and all of our

[0:47:03] Voice 11: and

[0:47:03] Voice 7: they bring others yeah they

[0:47:04] Voice 11: just you know we start from all over the harbors um

[0:47:11] Voice 11: now i know that's not when when when a marina upgrades their docks who

[0:47:23] Voice 11: is that problem who like the disposal of a segment so they rebuild a new marina

[0:47:28] Voice 3: and they remove

[0:47:30] Voice 11: pieces whose jurisdiction is that to say where those go or is that completely legal for them to

[0:47:39] Voice 11: sell those docks or give them away i assume or sell them to people who now go out and anchor

[0:47:45] Voice 11: them in the middle of our harbor and create a look now that to me that's a great that is our zone

[0:47:50] Voice 11: we're now a floating segment of dock and eight boats around it are now floating in the middle

[0:47:55] Voice 11: of the harbor i'm just i know it's a jurisdictional nightmare um and then you know then we have the

[0:48:05] Voice 11: dead boat societies having to be out there cleaning up these segments as they break loose

[0:48:09] Voice 11: and land on the beaches and continue to send styrofoam, so I can't blame him for being angry.

[0:48:14] Voice 11: They're everywhere, and styrofoam is only getting worse because of these dock segments, even though

[0:48:20] Voice 11: the marina now

[0:48:21] Voice 11: has lovely encapsulated, you know, floating styrofoam in their marina, the problem

[0:48:27] Voice 11: has gotten worse. I don't know, who do we bring this attention to? Because it's prolific.

[0:48:35] Voice 11: Yeah,

[0:48:35] Voice 4: I mean, I don't feel that it's our responsibility, but it's a horrible reality.

[0:48:42] Voice 4: And it's either provincial or federal. It's not us.

[0:48:48] Voice 4: It's sort of interesting.

[0:48:49] Voice 4: I often wonder when someone puts an application in for a new dog for the province,

[0:48:56] Voice 4: I don't think they need to have a plan about what they do, how they recycle or refurbish or redo the old dog.

[0:49:05] Voice 4: that's the province that's flimrow right or whatever they're called now i know they have

[0:49:09] Voice 4: a new name and i'm not sure which ministry docs now fall under whether it's the whether it's um

[0:49:15] Voice 4: but you think that one of the things that we could encourage the province to do is that when

[0:49:20] Voice 4: somebody is approved for a new dock that's replacing old dock that there'd be a disposal

[0:49:25] Voice 4: plan like like they do with many places where they have what they call a cradle to break

[0:49:30] Voice 4: You have to plan from the beginning and how you're going to dispose of it at the end.

[0:49:34] Voice 4: You shouldn't have to plan.

[0:49:35] Voice 4: But I don't see absolutely a question.

[0:49:37] Voice 11: Can we write a letter to them?

[0:49:40] Voice 11: I don't mean to make more work for you, but to Plinro, I guess it would be a place to

[0:49:46] Voice 11: start to ask if they require, or we recommend they require, or

[0:49:52] Voice 4: who requires, because these

[0:49:53] Voice 4: docks are not leading the system.

[0:50:00] Voice 4: So certainly a letter is not difficult to write.

[0:50:04] Voice 4: right, that's getting the advocacy around, I'm trying to recall your strategic priorities

[0:50:10] Voice 4: and I remember marine stewardship was part of it, I think it might have been, so I think

[0:50:16] Voice 4: it might

[0:50:16] Voice 4: be one part of your neglected, I don't know, but you're anticipating where

[0:50:25] Voice 4: I'm going is that it comes up to the trust council, and certainly as a charitable, there's

[0:50:33] Voice 4: so many different paths you can take with this issue that it's hard to give you advice uh my

[0:50:38] Voice 4: most immediate recommendation having been one of the people who brings these darn things up with

[0:50:43] Voice 4: my hands and putting on orientations and stuff like that work with john and that is

[0:50:48] Voice 4: and that is to take an ethical uh nobody's taking an ethical and uh nobody takes better control than

[0:50:57] Voice 4: the local people and do whatever you think you can do and if you step outside your boundaries

[0:51:03] Voice 4: writing letters and stuff that's fine i would i would push and push and push some more so because

[0:51:08] Voice 4: the province is absent the feds are absent and um really i mean in a perfect world trust council

[0:51:14] Voice 4: would take a coordinated approach with everybody and they'd all clean it up and nobody so i think

[0:51:21] Voice 4: i would like to write a letter uh encouraging the ministry to uh be proactive in following

[0:51:27] Voice 4: up and get disposal of um docs um yeah please do so i'd be happy to work with john and as you know

[0:51:34] Voice 4: i know johnson i'd be happy to

[0:51:36] Voice 10: work with him too but can you capitalize with the support

[0:51:38] Voice 10: i will

[0:51:45] Voice 4: say that um six years ago seven years ago trust counts the trust took to umtm a resolution

[0:51:55] Voice 4: to have the province band open right and so they they advocated for that uh and the resolution

[0:52:03] Voice 4: passed that you can see how to to have the not let them put just the loose styrofoam on it anymore

[0:52:09] Voice 4: and i think they've eventually changed that but i'm always arguing but they didn't do that so

[0:52:14] Voice 4: that's another word that you get and you get a lot of support from avicc it's too late for

[0:52:19] Voice 4: resolution maybe guys to see but um and that's the association of vancouver island communities

[0:52:25] Voice 4: but it's not too late for a resolution well

[0:52:28] Voice 11: i'd be curious to know if other other harbors are is

[0:52:31] Voice 11: this unique to salt

[0:52:32] Voice 4: spring that we've got loading on gabriel there's a very bad problem so very

[0:52:38] Voice 4: similar to what you described yeah

[0:52:40] Voice 11: so i'd say let's start with the province and then

[0:52:44] Voice 4: If I may make one comment to the chair, something that the trust can do, of course, which management

[0:52:52] Voice 4: has been discussing with the various ministries over time, at least for the last seven years

[0:52:56] Voice 4: that I've been a manager, and that is the province has offered the Iowa's trust to take

[0:53:05] Voice 4: over lease management over the waterways in its jurisdiction.

[0:53:10] Voice 4: And of course, that's a bureaucratic nightmare, if you think about it.

[0:53:13] Voice 4: however they were trying to sell it to us is that uh cost recovery they they out the trust council

[0:53:20] Voice 4: could set the fees for the leases how they wish to make it a revenue it's complicated but it's

[0:53:27] Voice 4: these moments that the island's just could be more in control of these issues by managing the leases

[0:53:32] Voice 4: and therefore they have an action plan but that's a huge trust council issue it's a can of worms

[0:53:36] Voice 4: but just suffice to say that staff are aware that that's a potential item

[0:53:39] Voice 4: yeah well there's

[0:53:43] Voice 11: also the crd a license of occupation for the harbor as well so there's

[0:53:47] Voice 4: lots of avenues that need

[0:53:48] Voice 11: that those are broader

[0:53:49] Voice 11: problems that we do need to do down the road

[0:53:52] Voice 11: but i'm happy to wing a motion i move that the salt spring isle local trust committee uh request

[0:53:59] Voice 11: staff to prepare a letter from the chair to

[0:54:02] Voice 3: say flynn row or do you want just the province

[0:54:08] Voice 3: so glenrode we'll just say glenrode um advocating or

[0:54:15] Voice 4: advocating or questioning the disposal of uh

[0:54:21] Voice 11: replacing docs you

[0:54:24] Voice 4: know what you mean i'd say advocating advocating

[0:54:27] Voice 11: for the

[0:54:28] Voice 4: proper disposal

[0:54:30] Voice 11: yeah advocating for the proper disposal of replaced documents

[0:54:35] Voice 4: excellent i second that yeah let's just see what we got the

[0:54:38] Voice 11: proper disposal of replaced dots

[0:54:44] Voice 3: thank you uh

[0:54:45] Voice 1: that the salt spring and local trustee request staff to prepare a letter from

[0:54:50] Voice 1: the chair to flynn rowe advocating for the proper disposal of replaced dogs that's

[0:54:59] Voice 4: been moved and

[0:55:00] Voice 4: secondly whether we've discussed it any further i'll call vote all in favor thank you very much

[0:55:06] Voice 4: um okay and we'll have to figure out those three minutes because i know they split that ministry

[0:55:11] Voice 4: and i'm not

[0:55:11] Voice 10: sure where docs

[0:55:12] Voice 4: ended up um 13.2 is the met uh an email from or yes a letter from mr

[0:55:21] Voice 4: osman i don't know sorry osman phillips is there any action either trustee wishes to take on that

[0:55:29] Voice 4: i'm just going to note also on mr um osman phillips a note to myself that we again need

[0:55:37] Voice 4: to address an excellent population build up um and addressing water needs i mean i don't see

[0:55:44] Voice 4: actually how we can do anything without addressing those issues okay thanks so that's for information

[0:55:51] Voice 4: and receipt there's then a letter from um valentine uh which is at page 137 is there any

[0:56:00] Voice 4: action that uh anybody wishes to take on that or just receive it for information and then uh

[0:56:06] Voice 4: consideration.

[0:56:08] Voice 7: Okay. Yeah, I mean, sorry, I just commented that,

[0:56:19] Voice 4: you know, no one's turning blind

[0:56:22] Voice 4: eyes that where there are complaints by law enforcement officers to attend that will attend

[0:56:29] Voice 4: where the complaints are made. And just how they deal with that is another matter.

[0:56:34] Voice 4: But no one's turning a blind eye. Okay. Thank you for your correspondence. 13.4 page 140 is

[0:56:45] Voice 4: is um matt hello and it looks like it was correspondence with you trustee patrick is

[0:56:52] Voice 4: there anything you wish to address related to that or just receive this for me well

[0:56:56] Voice 11: i can deal with

[0:56:56] Voice 11: um 13.4 and 13.8 probably the same conversation we actually did

[0:57:02] Voice 4: address this last meeting this

[0:57:04] Voice 4: was the correspondence

[0:57:05] Voice 11: that um related to a motion to pass asking the province to update

[0:57:13] Voice 11: the south island transportation plan to

[0:57:16] Voice 11: include the islands in that plan um so we did actually

[0:57:21] Voice 11: but with ongoing uh challenges uh i was very terminal early this morning at vesuvius and

[0:57:33] Voice 11: with some of the neighbors on the street there that are absolutely frustrated with

[0:57:37] Voice 11: the situation of you know cars blocking access to their homes and all of that in the vesuvius area

[0:57:44] Voice 11: i understand that i i would like to make another uh resolution um i did send it to

[0:57:51] Voice 11: to sarah it's gonna be one little tweak in it for staff's recommendations so listen up on that goes

[0:57:59] Voice 11: from ministry to minister um i move that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff

[0:58:05] Voice 11: to organize a meeting between the local press committee and other stakeholders with the minister

[0:58:13] Voice 11: of minister of transportation and infrastructure as set out in section c of the consultation

[0:58:18] Voice 11: process in the letter of agreement between modi and the islands trust dated over 20

[0:58:25] Voice 3: 1992

[0:58:29] Voice 11: to discuss solutions for roadway congestion at the pulver and vesuvius ferry terminals

[0:58:36] Voice 11: and to discuss the completion of the salish sea trail network on salt spring marlin i would second

[0:58:42] Voice 3: that okay you got that in

[0:58:49] Voice 4: advance okay so i don't think we need to read it back is there any further

[0:58:52] Voice 4: discussion i'm not

[0:58:53] Voice 4: sure how that addresses mr portney's letter that uh but i but you do so that

[0:58:58] Voice 4: matters well

[0:58:59] Voice 11: the key issue there is i mean how pc ferries is definitely a stakeholder and the

[0:59:05] Voice 11: congestion that's caused in that area i think that the outcome and the impacts are the congestion

[0:59:11] Voice 11: yes there's always the fairy questions and how they play but that's you know it's focusing on

[0:59:16] Voice 11: all those issues in a broader way the result is the streets are backed up and used as parking

[0:59:23] Voice 11: locker and it's getting worse especially pulver is now way back past the vortex on a regular basis

[0:59:30] Voice 4: i think it'll be helpful for staff to understand i know we passed a motion related to stakeholders

[0:59:34] Voice 4: stakeholders and construction trade to know that that was meant to be a public meeting where people could come is this intended to be just a

[0:59:42] Voice 4: information meeting or is it intended to be a public meeting

[0:59:45] Voice 11: um i think well

[0:59:47] Voice 11: i don't understand it i don't know how many meetings we've requested through section c of that

[0:59:52] Voice 11: that agreement in the past it does lay out an annual process in which we meet with the minister

[0:59:58] Voice 11: sister.

[0:59:59] Voice 11: So I

[1:00:00] Voice 11: i i would look at what that meeting should be i assume meetings with the minister should be

[1:00:04] Voice 11: open for a hardcore conversation of uh of the issue so um i don't necessarily see this as a

[1:00:12] Voice 11: public meeting per se but

[1:00:13] Voice 4: i do just thinking about do they need a recorder do they need a staff

[1:00:17] Voice 4: person there or can you is this more political i

[1:00:19] Voice 11: think this is meant to be a political level

[1:00:21] Voice 11: meeting that section talks about other issues and and how they have the conversation okay i agree

[1:00:27] Voice 4: Okay. Okay.

[1:00:28] Voice 4: So that's the clarification I was having. So I'll call the vote. All in favor. Thank you very much.

[1:00:35] Voice 4: The next item on, is there anything else related to that? If not, then I'll move on to 13.5, which is again, an email from Trustee Patrick to the LTC, which is your speaking notes, I gather, on secondary suites. Is this just for public record?

[1:01:01] Voice 4: Okay, then that's just here for information.

[1:01:05] Voice 4: Then we have a 13.6 on page 149 is an email exchange with AP D'Orazio and again is this

[1:01:20] Voice 4: just here for information or are there is there a some specific action discussion trustings we

[1:01:27] Voice 4: should have okay i agree uh and then we have an uh an email from the ruckles um and uh again

[1:01:39] Voice 4: this is here related concerning standing resolution uh from before through any action or

[1:01:45] Voice 4: is this here for your information and consideration yeah i'd like to know where this property is that

[1:01:51] Voice 4: or allowed to say you're asking

[1:01:54] Voice 3: staff that question yeah at

[1:02:00] Voice 5: this moment in time so i don't

[1:02:02] Voice 5: have that information before me that's the file

[1:02:04] Voice 4: is there any action anybody wishes to take on that

[1:02:13] Voice 11: this is a bylaw enforcement so i assume this has been shared with bylaw enforcement the letter or

[1:02:22] Voice 4: the concern well it actually talks about conversations with the manager of bylaw

[1:02:30] Voice 4: enforcement numerous emails uh so that's the the context of the letter so um clearly by law

[1:02:39] Voice 4: enforcement notes yeah i guess the question is further no no okay then we have mr courtney's

[1:02:48] Voice 4: letter i don't know if it's the same one but there is one on our agenda at ec uh tomorrow

[1:02:55] Voice 4: all of our executive committee meeting tomorrow and i don't know are you content with your motion

[1:03:01] Voice 11: nothing

[1:03:02] Voice 4: further okay uh and then we have 13.9 which is about the um active transportation

[1:03:10] Voice 4: network finally i saw something come in late yesterday related to this on email and i but

[1:03:16] Voice 4: i'll turn to whoever wishes to speak

[1:03:18] Voice 11: well i was going to say stefan wants to speak here

[1:03:20] Voice 11: was that go ahead

[1:03:21] Voice 4: oh i'm sorry i'm sure i didn't do it

[1:03:24] Voice 11: oh hi um i saw what the staff had recommended

[1:03:29] Voice 11: the motion i had i had one drafted so the only question i had is um as there is a tight deadline

[1:03:35] Voice 11: of march 31st do you want should we reference that in the resolution or i guess that's just

[1:03:42] Voice 11: responding to that letter the deadline is there um but i'm happy to make the motion that's uh

[1:03:49] Voice 11: recommended by staff please do i

[1:03:52] Voice 11: move that the salt spring island local trust committee supports

[1:03:56] Voice 11: community efforts to complete the salt spring island segment of the salish sea trail

[1:04:04] Voice 11: endorses island pathways proposed federal active transportation network planning grant application

[1:04:12] Voice 11: and will serve as an eligible recipient for the grant if and as necessary

[1:04:18] Voice 3: i'll second that i have

[1:04:20] Voice 3: other question okay that's been

[1:04:22] Voice 4: moved in second you've got that thanks go ahead but what does

[1:04:27] Voice 4: that actually mean what do you want i

[1:04:29] Voice 11: just saw a letter of support

[1:04:34] Voice 4: there this is a unique funding structure and this is uh we require a local government or

[1:04:46] Voice 4: equivalent violence trust over trust committee to write such a letter for them to get the funding

[1:04:50] Voice 4: just worked in the funding mechanism and this language is taken almost directly out of that

[1:04:57] Voice 4: critical step for them well that's the last part of that motion that said would be the what is an

[1:05:08] Voice 4: eligible recipient but

[1:05:10] Voice 11: they're i guess that we're agreeing that they're an eligible recipient that's

[1:05:14] Voice 11: probably part of our support letter sorry

[1:05:16] Voice 4: we are or the or the applicants are we're agreeing

[1:05:19] Voice 4: yeah oh okay sorry so this is not like what happened on gabriella where we became the

[1:05:25] Voice 4: manager of the of the brand money no i triple checked out okay

[1:05:30] Voice 4: so who will manage the money they

[1:05:35] Voice 11: do okay

[1:05:36] Voice 4: so simply a support letter that someone will have

[1:05:38] Voice 4: to drop and get out to share luck on my guests okay so we got a motion and it's been seconded

[1:05:47] Voice 4: is there any further discussion related to that i wish you luck uh and uh i'll call the vote all

[1:05:52] Voice 4: in favor of that passage i don't have

[1:05:54] Voice 4: any more um correspondence i think that's it there's nothing

[1:05:59] Voice 4: else and then so

[1:06:00] Voice 4: it's 11 a.m so we'll simply adjourn till uh noon and we'll start item trustee

[1:06:08] Voice 4: reports at 12 o'clock excellent thank you normally

[1:06:20] Voice 3: we have so

[1:06:20] Voice 4: for those watching the live stream

[1:06:23] Voice 4: recording i'll just shut down the camera and the thing the live stream will stay alive

[1:06:29] Voice 4: and you

[1:06:30] Voice 7: just won't be able to see or hear anything.

[2:07:26] Voice 4: much like them but thank you just tried to clone you without success i was looking for you

[2:07:44] Voice 3: okay i think we're back good afternoon

[2:07:53] Voice 4: everyone this is the uh afternoon portion of the

[2:07:57] Voice 4: march 22nd uh salt spring global trust committee meeting uh i want to acknowledge again that we

[2:08:03] Voice 4: were meeting traditional territories the coast salish people honored fortunate to be able to do

[2:08:10] Voice 4: that my name is not peter luckham i am not the chair of the salt spring local trust committee

[2:08:15] Voice 4: and you may have noticed that my name is dan rogers for those who weren't here this morning

[2:08:20] Voice 4: i am a member of the executive committee of violence trust uh chair luckham had another

[2:08:28] Voice 4: other engagements involving Penelope today that he asked me, and I am the alternate chair

[2:08:34] Voice 4: for Salt Spring in Peter's absence. I had the opportunity to do this twice, once I was

[2:08:42] Voice 4: looking at the day in 2019, and today, it's a pleasure to be here. I'm from, I'll cut

[2:08:49] Voice 4: somehow sound, I'm from Keats Island, and as I said, I'm sat as a, I sit as a vice chair.

[2:08:57] Voice 4: i normally chair uh galliano island main island gabriel island and i sit in the trustee in my own

[2:09:03] Voice 4: gambia local trust area and i'm happy to be here today for this particular meeting um this is a

[2:09:10] Voice 4: meeting for those of you who may be just joining us it's being recorded uh it's also being broadcast

[2:09:17] Voice 4: uh live um and there's a webinar active as well zoom webinar we're on zoom uh the interactivity

[2:09:26] Voice 4: However, it is more or less restricted to this room, but

[2:09:29] Voice 4: the recording of this meeting will be put up on our website within the next few days.

[2:09:35] Voice 4: And anybody who's watching now can go back and watch it again or anyone can come at a later time.

[2:09:41] Voice 4: You probably know your two local trustees, Trustee Grove and Trustee Cocker.

[2:09:46] Voice 4: We're happy to have the regional director, Gary Holman, here to speak with you in a bit.

[2:09:51] Voice 4: and we have stopped with this as well and you'll be hearing from them as we go through the meeting

[2:09:57] Voice 4: this afternoon uh we've done most of our uh regular business uh this morning uh up until

[2:10:05] Voice 4: we're now at i am 10 on the agenda um there is an opportunity coming up of town hall in a few

[2:10:14] Voice 4: minutes and i'll have something more to say about the town hall section when we get there um in the

[2:10:21] Voice 4: meantime i'm going to call the meeting to order and indicate that it's now trustee reports and

[2:10:29] Voice 4: i'll turn to the trustees for their updates for you uh and i think trustee patrick you

[2:10:35] Voice 4: are going to go first today or you're not that

[2:10:37] Voice 11: sounds like it thank you well thank you for for

[2:10:42] Voice 11: being here. It's a rainy

[2:10:44] Voice 11: Tuesday.

[2:10:47] Voice 11: Yesterday I met with

[2:10:48] Voice 11: one of our local churches

[2:10:50] Voice 11: here in Ganges Village who are going

[2:10:52] Voice 11: through an exercise to sort of reimagine

[2:10:54] Voice 11: themselves into the future.

[2:10:56] Voice 11: It's a enjoyable meeting in its

[2:10:58] Voice 11: relationship to what we need to do

[2:11:00] Voice 11: in Ganges

[2:11:02] Voice 11: Village as well.

[2:11:05] Voice 11: And I know the Ganges

[2:11:06] Voice 11: Village Task Force are getting together

[2:11:08] Voice 11: this weekend to go through a weekend

[2:11:10] Voice 11: and workshop i'm excited about what will come out of the workshop and a clearer path to working

[2:11:15] Voice 11: toward uh uh toward the ganges village area plan ganges village is so quietly important for all of

[2:11:22] Voice 11: us in the future of the village um as usual i've attended lots of meetings i'm i've really been

[2:11:32] Voice 11: enjoying attending the rural island economic partnership that holds monthly our connection

[2:11:38] Voice 11: Connection Cafes, they're called.

[2:11:40] Voice 11: On February 22nd, they had a conversation

[2:11:42] Voice 11: about farmers and local food resilience.

[2:11:45] Voice 11: These gatherings are from islands up and down

[2:11:48] Voice 11: the Eastern coast of Vancouver Island.

[2:11:51] Voice 11: And of course, housing for the farmers and their workforces

[2:11:56] Voice 11: was a big part of the conversation

[2:11:58] Voice 11: over at the Connection Cafe.

[2:12:00] Voice 11: I met with the executive director

[2:12:02] Voice 11: of the Private Managed Forest Landowners Association,

[2:12:06] Voice 11: Megan Hanasek. They're very interested in working with us on the wildfire resiliency project and hope to participate in that.

[2:12:19] Voice 11: Again, a newer group that's been formed called the Southern Gulf Island Housing Coalition held a meeting for people to share the various actions that are being undertaken across Salt Spring and the Southern Gulf Islands.

[2:12:30] Voice 11: They're working with a grant from the CMHC, and they're in the process of interviewing

[2:12:36] Voice 11: a wide representation of people to look for opportunities to better understand the challenges

[2:12:45] Voice 11: of getting affordable housing projects completed.

[2:12:50] Voice 11: As I chair, like Dan is doing here, I chair a number of meetings.

[2:12:56] Voice 11: I've chaired Thetis, Saturna, North Pender, and South Pender.

[2:13:00] Voice 11: just last saturday we had our seventh community information meeting for north pender's land use

[2:13:05] Voice 11: bylaw review project um so attended this from the federation level trust council had its meetings

[2:13:13] Voice 11: earlier this month executive committee of financial planning committees um last week we had

[2:13:19] Voice 11: a southern gulf island forum that's a meeting of the elected and first nations across the southern

[2:13:27] Voice 11: gulf island region under uh emily olsen's writing and we had presentations from the

[2:13:33] Voice 11: vancouver praise report authority transport canada staff along with the chamber of shipping

[2:13:38] Voice 11: on anchorages in the area and plans of going forward i'm again very grateful to those that are

[2:13:45] Voice 11: stepped up and they're working on our ganges village task force and our housing

[2:13:49] Voice 11: um action task force they're doing

[2:13:51] Voice 3: incredible work and i'm very grateful for what they're doing

[2:13:56] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:13:59] Voice 4: I found it very hard to focus the last few weeks with the realities of this Ukrainian

[2:14:07] Voice 4: war, front and center, 24-7, and the disgusting behavior of Mr. Putin towards those poor people.

[2:14:15] Voice 4: In any event, I suppose the other side, it certainly makes our problems and concerns

[2:14:22] Voice 4: appear pretty minimal, like in Paris.

[2:14:26] Voice 4: um god help them all um our back to our island i believe covered numbers are up on this island

[2:14:36] Voice 4: certainly in terms of my friends and uh acquaintances um a number have have uh

[2:14:42] Voice 4: been infected they seem to be doing all right fortunately but i have two uh children who are

[2:14:47] Voice 4: suffering from long covet one um got it um two years ago shortly after the pandemic came out

[2:14:54] Voice 4: and another who got it just a couple of months ago.

[2:14:58] Voice 4: And I think we're, I hate to say it,

[2:15:01] Voice 4: look at me without a mask on,

[2:15:02] Voice 4: but I've been basically feeling by how I see others.

[2:15:07] Voice 4: For me, I wear a mask to protect myself at this point,

[2:15:10] Voice 4: but also out of a question of consideration

[2:15:14] Voice 4: for my fellow islanders.

[2:15:17] Voice 4: But if people aren't using masks,

[2:15:19] Voice 4: then I don't feel so compelled to do so myself.

[2:15:21] Voice 4: But I do worry.

[2:15:23] Voice 4: I expect, well we certainly haven't seen the last of it, I'm quite sure, but I think that

[2:15:28] Voice 4: we could be set back.

[2:15:34] Voice 4: We've got six months left of this term, for the record, I will not be running again, sad

[2:15:42] Voice 4: as it makes me, but I think it's time for younger, more energetic people to take my

[2:15:49] Voice 4: place, people with new ideas.

[2:15:51] Voice 4: And I just hope that whoever comes here will have a vision and a passion and a just a wanting

[2:16:03] Voice 4: to help the islanders, which is what I think is the most important thing in the seats that

[2:16:09] Voice 4: we are sitting here.

[2:16:12] Voice 4: We've just come out of a trust council meeting in Nanaimo, which went very well.

[2:16:20] Voice 4: Trust Council passed its

[2:16:22] Voice 8: budget for the year, a 2% increase to property taxes,

[2:16:26] Voice 8: which based upon, so that you can calculate the house assessed at a million dollars,

[2:16:31] Voice 8: the increase to the island's trust property tax

[2:16:36] Voice 4: increase will be $10 a year.

[2:16:41] Voice 4: Now, those assessments, of course, vary from island to island,

[2:16:46] Voice 4: but that's based upon the current situation.

[2:16:52] Voice 4: The budget was hotly debated at Trust Council

[2:16:56] Voice 4: and there was an 11th hour ambush

[2:17:00] Voice 4: by some of our fellow trustees,

[2:17:01] Voice 4: which I have to say I was quite disappointed by

[2:17:03] Voice 4: the approach that they took.

[2:17:05] Voice 4: After a lengthy, very lengthy debate,

[2:17:10] Voice 4: the budget was reduced from 3% to 1%

[2:17:15] Voice 4: which again on your $1 million possessed house

[2:17:21] Voice 4: amounted to about a dollar.

[2:17:26] Voice 4: So that's what I have to say.

[2:17:28] Voice 4: Chair, thank you for filling in the Peter Luckham.

[2:17:32] Voice 4: It'll probably be the most pleasant experience

[2:17:34] Voice 4: of your trustee life.

[2:17:37] Voice 4: Of course.

[2:17:38] Voice 4: Well, Salt Spring, I chair Galliano.

[2:17:41] Voice 3: If

[2:17:42] Voice 4: you want to come to Galliano or something.

[2:17:44] Voice 4: And I love Galliano.

[2:17:45] Voice 4: don't get me wrong i don't think because everybody watches these things so uh i'm very much looking

[2:17:51] Voice 4: forward to that i'll be brief uh i because i don't have much to report about my activities

[2:17:56] Voice 4: on salt spring because there hasn't been any um but i uh i just report on uh trust council was

[2:18:02] Voice 4: last week and we are unfolding continuing to unfold in those last six or seven months of the

[2:18:09] Voice 4: year uh there was the receipt formally of the governance review you may have seen some call

[2:18:16] Voice 4: them interesting uh facebook posts or emails or flyers related to the governance review i urge

[2:18:22] Voice 4: you all to read it for yourself uh not take someone else's interpretation of it um anyway

[2:18:29] Voice 4: so there was discussion about that and a presentation related to that there was the budget

[2:18:33] Voice 4: debate that uh trust that trustee grove was talking about and uh of course what is absorbing

[2:18:41] Voice 4: an awful lot of the discussion at the trust on an ongoing basis is the current public engagement

[2:18:49] Voice 4: around the trust policy statement renewal also gaining a lot of attention as i understand it

[2:18:57] Voice 4: particularly in the southern gulf islands but throughout the trust area i'm not sure when

[2:19:02] Voice 4: they're coming to uh to salt spring i know there's an engagement process here they were on denman

[2:19:08] Voice 4: hornby and uh thetas last weekend for a number of public engagements etc and there are dates

[2:19:15] Voice 4: coming if you want any sorry what are they

[2:19:18] Voice 4: uh

[2:19:20] Voice 11: saturday april 2nd from noon to 4 p.m at the

[2:19:23] Voice 11: fulcrum fire hall sunday april 3rd 1 to 3 at manhole saturday april 9th 9 a.m to 4 p.m at

[2:19:33] Voice 11: the saturday market and sunday april 10 5 30 to 8 p.m at the harbour house right uh tonight it's

[2:19:42] Voice 9: actually as

[2:19:42] Voice 4: well there is uh tonight is the first of uh uh two nights of what they're calling

[2:19:48] Voice 4: and community conversations uh you can go to the island's 2050 website um if you google that you'll

[2:19:55] Voice 4: find it it's just easier go to our front page of our website uh which will give you all the details

[2:20:01] Voice 4: on how to register if you wish to be a participant in that conversation uh that's occurring tonight

[2:20:06] Voice 4: and next tuesday as well this evening and next tuesday about trying to gather ideas so this is

[2:20:13] Voice 4: is part of our our public engagement we're getting feedback on the the work that's been done to date

[2:20:19] Voice 4: this is a phase three we're calling it and we'll come back to trust council at some point probably

[2:20:25] Voice 4: in june or perhaps as to where we take it at this point uh from uh the trust policy statement and

[2:20:32] Voice 4: how far we're going to take it with this term because trustee grove is correct we have two

[2:20:36] Voice 4: trust councils left one in june at least scheduled ones one in june and one in september and then of

[2:20:42] Voice 4: course the election um that's really all i have to report we we have our executive committee meeting

[2:20:50] Voice 4: tomorrow uh which will be virtual and again will be streamed and online and uh which will give us

[2:20:56] Voice 4: an opportunity to consider a number of the issues that arose out of trust councils um and with that

[2:21:03] Voice 4: uh i'm going to turn it over to the crd director mr

[2:21:08] Voice 9: coleman for your report

[2:21:11] Voice 9: thanks dan nice to see you again nice to see you too um and thanks to the local trust committee

[2:21:15] Voice 9: for allowing me to participate in the town hall uh the seerity board also budget for uh 2022

[2:21:24] Voice 9: the board approves a provisional budget in the fall and then a final budget in march and

[2:21:31] Voice 9: unfortunately the uh primarily because the unprecedented um increase in assessed values

[2:21:37] Voice 9: for Salt Spring, which were about 32% this year, because for CRD as a whole, assessed values went

[2:21:48] Voice 9: up about 21%. It means that CRD pays a larger portion of regional costs, like for example,

[2:21:55] Voice 9: our hospital facilities functions, regional services. So the requisition increase provisionally

[2:22:06] Voice 9: approved for salt spring was 3.25 percent and unfortunately because of primarily those assessed

[2:22:12] Voice 9: values uh the increase this year will be 5.75 percent for the crd which is the largest

[2:22:19] Voice 9: increase this term for the crd over the four years uh the asserted requisition has gone up

[2:22:27] Voice 9: an average of about three and a half percent uh the other uh thing that changed between

[2:22:33] Voice 9: between provisional and final budget

[2:22:35] Voice 9: was that the CERE Board approved an increase in funding

[2:22:39] Voice 9: for our regional climate action service.

[2:22:42] Voice 9: And like Islands Trust,

[2:22:44] Voice 9: the CERE has declared a climate emergency.

[2:22:47] Voice 9: And so that's consistent with that declaration.

[2:22:52] Voice 9: That regional service will fund and provide information

[2:22:56] Voice 9: around such things as heat pumps,

[2:22:58] Voice 9: energy conservation retrofits for residential EV chargers,

[2:23:03] Voice 9: all of which will reduce greenhouse gas emissions,

[2:23:07] Voice 9: but also all of them represent good investments as well.

[2:23:11] Voice 9: So there's a capital cost to those kinds of investment,

[2:23:14] Voice 9: but there's a payback over time.

[2:23:16] Voice 9: So assessed values and increasing the funding for regional climate service

[2:23:22] Voice 9: are the two main differences between provisional and final budget.

[2:23:27] Voice 9: So for the average residents on Salt Spring, which is now valued at almost $1 million, the monthly CRD requisition will be about $80.

[2:23:41] Voice 9: And that funds a whole range of services, both regional but local as well.

[2:23:46] Voice 9: Well, at the regional level, one example of a benefit that Salisbury receives from regional services is that the hospital district, which is included in the numbers I provided, they committed $3 million to our new emergency room at Lady Minto.

[2:24:07] Voice 9: So we do get some benefits from those regional services.

[2:24:12] Voice 9: services. I think that for the budget, that's it. There has been a recent controversy around

[2:24:20] Voice 9: the so-called warming center locating at various local parks in the Ganges area.

[2:24:28] Voice 9: We struggle with that issue. We've got one of the highest rates of homelessness per capita

[2:24:35] Voice 9: in the region, I think even in British Columbia. Many local

[2:24:39] Voice 9: governments are struggling with this

[2:24:40] Voice 9: issue which isn't just a local government problem it's a senior government problem in my view uh the

[2:24:47] Voice 9: reason why we're we're in this situation is because for several uh decades senior governments

[2:24:52] Voice 9: have basically vacated funding for affordable housing starting with the slaying of the deficit

[2:24:58] Voice 9: by uh minister uh paul martin uh when uh when funding for affordable housing co-op housing was

[2:25:06] Voice 9: was cut. Now, more recently, senior governments are spending very large amounts of money,

[2:25:12] Voice 9: as they should, as we should, as a society. But that's only happened for the last few

[2:25:18] Voice 9: years. It's going to take a number of years to pull ourselves out of the hole that we've

[2:25:22] Voice 9: dug ourselves. In any case, local governments do play a role on the homelessness issue,

[2:25:29] Voice 9: and that includes affordable housing uh and there we've we've made in my view some remarkable

[2:25:35] Voice 9: progress on salt spring over the years but just just uh to finish up the warming center my my

[2:25:42] Voice 9: position on that is uh that there could be a place for such a facility but uh there has to be a

[2:25:50] Voice 9: bona fide uh ngo for example like community services which is funded to deal with issues

[2:25:56] Voice 9: like that to manage that kind of facility and really what what's happened it's a group of folks

[2:26:02] Voice 9: you know with good intentions uh set up without applying for a park permit with no liability

[2:26:08] Voice 9: insurance any of that kind of thing i'm meeting with that group in about a week or so uh if

[2:26:13] Voice 9: there's a bona fide organization support them and take responsibility for managing that kind

[2:26:20] Voice 9: of facility then i'm willing to advocate with steering staff around relaxing some of our bylaw

[2:26:27] Voice 9: provisions for example in mowat park which does allow overnight camping uh and does allow a warming

[2:26:33] Voice 9: center from 8 a.m to 8 p.m but the bylaw requires the those uh those uh tents facilities to be

[2:26:42] Voice 9: taken down and then set up which is arbitrary it is rigid it is inflexible but until there's

[2:26:48] Voice 9: a bona fide group that's going to take responsibility for that kind of situation,

[2:26:54] Voice 9: CRD is going to enforce its bylaws. The warming center was set up on December 25th, and it wasn't

[2:27:01] Voice 9: until late January where CRD staff finally, based on complaints from neighbors and park users,

[2:27:07] Voice 9: finally decided they had to enforce the bylaws, and that's our current position. I'll be meeting

[2:27:12] Voice 9: with the group in about a week to discuss possibilities, but for me,

[2:27:17] Voice 9: that's the starting

[2:27:18] Voice 9: point. There's got to be a management organization taking responsibility. So just on the housing

[2:27:23] Voice 9: front, this term alone, by the end of this term, there will have been 120 units of affordable

[2:27:32] Voice 9: housing built on Salt Spring. So that's Salt Spring Commons, the Croftonbrook project.

[2:27:40] Voice 9: The BC Housing has finally announced that they're going to be fully funding a supported housing

[2:27:47] Voice 9: housing facility on Drake Road. And then the Lady Mental Hospital Foundation, bless them,

[2:27:53] Voice 9: because they were so successful in fundraising, have acquired the Seabreeze Inn. So that's 120

[2:27:59] Voice 9: units this term alone. And those units will also free up housing in the rental stock.

[2:28:08] Voice 9: In addition to that, and by the way, at least two of those projects, several of them,

[2:28:12] Voice 9: the trust committee had to rezone them uh all the way back probably 15 years ago when the salt

[2:28:17] Voice 9: spring con when the rezoning for uh the community services property was done so the trust has played

[2:28:23] Voice 9: a key role in virtually every one of those uh we've also secured for the first time year-round

[2:28:29] Voice 9: 24-7 funding for the shelter community services and again all of the locally elected officials

[2:28:36] Voice 9: including mla olsen played a role in advocating for that it wasn't until this term that we had

[2:28:41] Voice 9: that kind of facility available uh it looks like uh community services on the verge of taking over

[2:28:48] Voice 9: the land bank properties which will ensure they are better managed and bracket springs will finally

[2:28:54] Voice 9: get off the ground the trust committee is from hundreds of cottages and suites that are not

[2:29:00] Voice 9: constrained by the north salt spring moratorium and in addition to that the province now has just

[2:29:07] Voice 9: made small cottages as of right on ALR land, I believe the trust committee has to play a role

[2:29:15] Voice 9: there in dealing with that as well. Might have to play a role in the series. I'm not sure about

[2:29:20] Voice 9: that. But basically, all local government agencies are working together to try to deal with affordable

[2:29:26] Voice 9: housing project. And I just want people to know that there's a lot to do what we've made a lot

[2:29:32] Voice 9: lot of progress this term. I wanted to make a comment about North Salt Spring. They've just

[2:29:39] Voice 9: yesterday published a more detailed explanation for their refusal, let's say, to apply for an

[2:29:50] Voice 9: infrastructure grant. And we've been, the security has been working with them for years, along with

[2:29:55] Voice 9: the province, to try to convince them to apply for that grant. They declined.

[2:30:00] Voice 9: to do so um in in large part uh because of their concerns about governance implications they're

[2:30:06] Voice 9: concerned about local control that's a valid control uh valid issue uh they're worried that

[2:30:12] Voice 9: somehow the senior board is going to take the management of north small spring that isn't the

[2:30:17] Voice 9: case but in any case we do have to work out this devil in the details but what we were trying to

[2:30:21] Voice 9: convince them to do both the province and north salt spring was to apply for a grant and then we

[2:30:28] Voice 9: can continue to talk about governance issues and of course i'll remind you that north salt spring

[2:30:33] Voice 9: is our single most important water utility and they've declared a moratorium the the funding

[2:30:38] Voice 9: for a water treatment plant at maxwell on maxwell lake would have freed up funding to help fix things

[2:30:45] Voice 9: in our in the in the distribution system so that was our rationale for urging them to submit a

[2:30:51] Voice 9: grant the province made the fairly unprecedented uh commitment that they would not expect north

[2:30:59] Voice 9: salt spring to take the in order to get infrastructure funding you have to convert to

[2:31:03] Voice 9: you have to become a local government entity so that's either a municipality which the community

[2:31:09] Voice 9: has turned down now a couple of times decisively or you join the regional district so that that's

[2:31:15] Voice 9: the province has made it very clear that that's the condition when i was mla mla olsen tried to

[2:31:21] Voice 9: convinced the province to provide infrastructure funding without doing that governments of both

[2:31:25] Voice 9: very different political stripes have said no you've got to become part of local governments

[2:31:29] Voice 9: so that that's why the the um the the proposal to convert to a security utility so what we were

[2:31:37] Voice 9: trying to convince uh north salt spring trustees apply for the grant there's a long delay in the

[2:31:43] Voice 9: adjudication of that grant sometimes over a year and so while that application was in then we could

[2:31:49] Voice 9: have discussed the governance concerns the concerns about local control and the province

[2:31:54] Voice 9: made the unprecedented commitment that they would not expect north salt spring to go to their rate

[2:31:59] Voice 9: pairs unless in their words the outcome of that application was known in other words uh unless

[2:32:07] Voice 9: there was a grant attached to conversion to crd uh they wouldn't they wouldn't take even take it

[2:32:14] Voice 9: to rate payers uh that's all but saying that that that grant uh which could have amounted in in the

[2:32:22] Voice 9: five to seven million dollar range uh would have have to been approved before even going to rate

[2:32:28] Voice 9: payers so that's all that's

[2:32:30] Voice 4: seery

[2:32:31] Voice 9: and the provincial version of that story the horses

[2:32:35] Voice 9: left the barn the uh the deadline for the grant application was february 23rd and so we'll wait

[2:32:42] Voice 9: for another pro another program uh who knows about the timing of that how significant uh that will be

[2:32:48] Voice 9: um but the the issue may may come around again and finally just i wanted to say something about um

[2:32:55] Voice 9: uh the uh local community commission proposal which uh when i read in 2018 i made a commitment

[2:33:03] Voice 9: to pursue that uh that concept so uh basically what it would be on the syrdi side alone uh there

[2:33:11] Voice 9: There would be no change in jurisdiction.

[2:33:13] Voice 9: The Isla Struss is still responsible for land use.

[2:33:16] Voice 9: It wouldn't take over 265 kilometers of poorly built, poorly maintained roads,

[2:33:21] Voice 9: but it would broaden representation on the CRD side.

[2:33:24] Voice 9: So going back to the budget, instead of one elected official making the decision for 12,000 people

[2:33:31] Voice 9: that these are going to be our local requisitions, and this is how I'll vote on regional requisitions,

[2:33:40] Voice 9: There would be four other commissioners, and it would be decided in a public meeting and debated in a public meeting what those tax increases could be.

[2:33:49] Voice 9: Right now, that's a discussion that happens between myself and various commissions who do a great job of volunteers.

[2:33:57] Voice 9: But it would essentially create a mini council just dealing with CRD issues.

[2:34:04] Voice 9: So things like the budget would be discussed in public meetings, decided in public meetings.

[2:34:09] Voice 9: meetings, you'd have broader representation, more diverse representation.

[2:34:13] Voice 9: I think if we had a community council, I think it would be more likely you'd get younger

[2:34:18] Voice 9: people running, you'd get women running, because women have a particularly difficult time in

[2:34:26] Voice 9: local government being the target for sometimes some fairly strappy ... In any case, that

[2:34:36] Voice 9: was a commitment i made to pursue the lcc uh there's been a discussion paper that's drafted

[2:34:41] Voice 9: crd staff are looking that they'll be discussing with the province and uh and then uh later in the

[2:34:47] Voice 9: spring there'll be a public consultation process i'll appoint an advisory committee uh primarily

[2:34:53] Voice 9: from the various commissions and the two big uh improvement districts to oversee a public

[2:34:59] Voice 9: the consultation process a bylaw would be uh based on that input from the public a bylaw would be

[2:35:08] Voice 9: developed by crd that in july of this year and then taken to voters at the election time in

[2:35:15] Voice 9: october and so there'd be a savings there because the returning office is already hired to conduct

[2:35:22] Voice 9: local elections if voters said yes and it will be ultimately up to voters if they say yes then

[2:35:28] Voice 9: there would have to be an elective there would have to be an election for commissioners uh in uh

[2:35:34] Voice 9: 2023 so that that's that's my report for today thanks

[2:35:40] Voice 4: sir very much okay thank you very much

[2:35:46] Voice 4: uh for those reports um there'll be an opportunity for uh now all the questions and and comments

[2:35:54] Voice 4: i just wanted to let you know we got a little ahead of schedule this morning and we um actually

[2:35:59] Voice 4: have already dealt with all the correspondence that was on our agenda if anybody was here but

[2:36:04] Voice 4: i think we passed three motions out of the correspondence as well and if anybody's

[2:36:09] Voice 4: interested in what those motions are or wishes to still speak to the what their correspondence

[2:36:14] Voice 4: that was on our agenda pages um 131 through 160 uh you're welcome to ask in town hall we'll tell

[2:36:24] Voice 4: you what motions that were passed when they'll be recorded of course the minutes i think there

[2:36:28] Voice 4: was one related to uh meetings and and uh fulford cleanup and also one related to uh pathways there

[2:36:36] Voice 4: may have been four motions i've lost track anyway if anybody wishes to address those please feel

[2:36:41] Voice 4: free to do that so we're now into the section 14 and 15 of the uh of the agenda we have one

[2:36:50] Voice 4: delegation and we have then we have count all the questions um i want to say a few things about

[2:36:58] Voice 4: public commentary at this stage um we uh are i'm focused on ensuring that this is for everyone

[2:37:07] Voice 4: a safe and respectful place it is a workplace for all the people you see in front of you

[2:37:14] Voice 4: um and is also a public gathering space and needs to be a safe place for everyone that's here so we

[2:37:21] Voice 4: have a number of requirements if you wish to speak to the local trust committee um one of the first

[2:37:27] Voice 4: is that you speak to the local trust committee uh and to the trustees uh if you wish to make

[2:37:33] Voice 4: address the an issue um not to do to staff and not to uh each other in the in the audience that's not

[2:37:42] Voice 4: uh what this is this is not an opportunity for you to debate or make commentary regarding others

[2:37:47] Voice 4: in your community uh if it's appropriate for staff to answer an inquiry we'll ask them to do so but

[2:37:53] Voice 4: please address your commentary to the trustees the second thing is i want i'm going to insist

[2:37:59] Voice 4: that you address issues uh and policy and not people and personalities it's how these

[2:38:07] Voice 4: conversations go downhill very very easily is that people start talking about or characterizing or

[2:38:14] Voice 4: other people's actions please address issues etc as well uh the third requirement is that you speak

[2:38:22] Voice 4: Speak in what you would consider to be, and we would all consider to be, a respectful and appropriate manner.

[2:38:29] Voice 4: As I sometimes say, speak in a way that would make your grandmother proud of you.

[2:38:35] Voice 4: Or your great-grandmother, depending on who your grandmother was.

[2:38:38] Voice 4: But make them proud of you so that they would know that you were speaking in an appropriate way.

[2:38:43] Voice 4: So no, none of the isms, no attack language.

[2:38:46] Voice 4: Please just talk to us in a way that we can hear you.

[2:38:50] Voice 4: I often wonder, sometimes I'm not saying this will happen on Salt Spring, but I often wonder why people would be derogatory about the exact people that are making decisions in relation to their actions or applications.

[2:39:04] Voice 4: Now, having said that, we're going to, we will have a couple of opportunities, three things.

[2:39:10] Voice 4: We have a short delegation.

[2:39:12] Voice 4: We also then have the town hall and questions, which we're now starting to call public participation.

[2:39:17] Voice 4: patient it may your agenda may change in the next little while thinking it's more appropriate and

[2:39:22] Voice 4: and the third opportunity is if you're an applicant one of the

[2:39:25] Voice 4: applications on the agenda

[2:39:27] Voice 4: you'll

[2:39:28] Voice 10: have an opportunity

[2:39:29] Voice 4: to speak to your application so you need to speak during the

[2:39:33] Voice 4: town hall about your application because you'll have that opportunity when your application comes

[2:39:38] Voice 4: up because all we have left after town hall is a series of applications and referrals so we'll

[2:39:44] Voice 4: you'll have an opportunity to speak there so the first item on the agenda so

[2:39:48] Voice 9: having said that i'll

[2:39:48] Voice 9: be monitoring this and i hopefully i don't like to set a timer um but

[2:39:53] Voice 4: we i will be watching the time

[2:39:56] Voice 4: uh to ensure that we try and get through an organic because we have a lot of applications on

[2:40:01] Voice 4: our agenda is the first item up is the delegation um i think it's the mr kellen robin hill yeah yes

[2:40:08] Voice 4: sir so you wish to you wish to come to the podium and you'll have five minutes to speak to us thank

[2:40:13] Voice 7: you begin

[2:40:21] Voice 2: saying thank you for allowing me to come here and speak to you um uh what i'm speaking

[2:40:27] Voice 2: about is our affordable housing application at 108 marico um we've managed to morph the application

[2:40:33] Voice 2: along now to the point where we're actually

[2:40:36] Voice 2: down to housing agreement and what i want to speak to

[2:40:39] Voice 2: you about is the fee that we've been asked to pay legally for the housing agreement before i came

[2:40:46] Voice 2: here i was fortunate enough to get from jordy a copy of it i think it's kingsgate or kingsview

[2:40:51] Voice 2: housing costs and i forwarded that on to you by email to the trustees which is a much more

[2:40:57] Voice 2: complicated and a much more involved affordable housing situation than what we have and their

[2:41:03] Voice 2: legal fees were estimated at 1500 now i have one single family residence to copy that affordable

[2:41:12] Voice 2: affordable housing mandate or that affordable housing model, and I've been requested to pay

[2:41:16] Voice 2: $6,000. And I just do not see how $6,000 is anywhere in the realm of affordable. And I do

[2:41:24] Voice 2: not see why we just can't take that housing agreement, dissect it, put our name in it,

[2:41:30] Voice 2: and away we go. I also mentioned to staff that our lawyer, who's very familiar with housing

[2:41:34] Voice 2: agreements, was prepared to take a housing agreement from start to finish for $2,000 fixed

[2:41:39] Voice 2: feet. And I said, well, then I'll have a housing agreement drawn up and I'll give it to you.

[2:41:44] Voice 2: You can send it out to your lawyers to vet. And that was declined. So I'm at a bit of

[2:41:48] Voice 2: a loss as to why we are asked for 6,000 when the much more complicated, I think it's Kingsgate

[2:41:54] Voice 2: or Kingsview housing agreement was processed for $1,500. That's my story. I'm sticking

[2:42:02] Voice 2: to it thank you thank you thank

[2:42:04] Voice 7: you talk

[2:42:13] Voice 4: to staff okay okay thank you so now is the opportunity for

[2:42:20] Voice 4: town hall uh and um what i would like to do is like my understanding of your process here is

[2:42:28] Voice 4: that you sort of divide things up so what i would ask is first of all is we have a series

[2:42:33] Voice 4: of applications that are on our agenda

[2:42:36] Voice 9: today and um if you've got our agenda if anybody wishes to

[2:42:40] Voice 9: speak to one

[2:42:41] Voice 4: of the agendas um uh applications on the agenda please put your hand up now and i'll

[2:42:48] Voice 4: come around and get you okay so we have i see two hands trying to keep an eye over there three hands

[2:42:55] Voice 4: someone who wants to speak to an agenda four hands okay so we'll work our way through i won't

[2:43:00] Voice 4: we'll start with you ma'am uh which

[2:43:03] Voice 9: agenda item would you like to speak to oh

[2:43:05] Voice 1: i don't have the

[2:43:06] Voice 1: numbers okay

[2:43:07] Voice 9: which which one is it

[2:43:08] Voice 1: i can i can focus yeah

[2:43:10] Voice 9: so

[2:43:12] Voice 1: can you hear me

[2:43:13] Voice 10: again yes i am

[2:43:14] Voice 1: planning on getting an application device for the future i just need to get some medical

[2:43:19] Voice 1: consultation about that um the three there are three applications there for uh uh exceptions

[2:43:27] Voice 1: from the CEPAC requirements for septic systems and a wall.

[2:43:33] Voice 1: Correct.

[2:43:34] Voice 1: And those are the ones I'm referring to.

[2:43:36] Voice 1: Okay, do you know which one they are exactly?

[2:43:38] Voice 4: Yeah, I think there's, I know there's at least three, yes.

[2:43:41] Voice 4: Okay,

[2:43:42] Voice 1: so what I want to say about these

[2:43:44] Voice 1: is that the rules for these CEPACs

[2:43:48] Voice 1: are there for an important reason

[2:43:50] Voice 1: to protect the inshore marine habitat.

[2:43:53] Voice 1: I don't have time to explain to you all

[2:43:56] Voice 1: And I'm disappointed that the staff didn't explain to you, so you would have a basis for making this decision, but it's very important for salmon, and for the small fish that choose the bigger fish, all through the future, is that this inshore marine habitat.

[2:44:14] Voice 1: And septic systems and walls have a terrible negative impact on that.

[2:44:20] Voice 1: And it's not like these people don't have other options.

[2:44:22] Voice 1: Okay. One of these proposals said they didn't have enough parking. Well, you could put parking under a house. You don't have to have it before that. Yes, it's more expensive. And in all these cases, I mean, that's the question for you to consider.

[2:44:37] Voice 1: Do these laws only apply when it's convenient and it's the cheapest solution, right?

[2:44:43] Voice 1: One of the proposals is to build a six bedroom house on a teeny tiny and they're saying it's

[2:44:52] Voice 1: okay because they're going to have a composting toilet and a solar system.

[2:44:56] Voice 1: Well, I can tell you that most composting toilets run electricity all the time, which

[2:45:04] Voice 1: is very hard on a solar system because you know this it only generates electricity when the sun

[2:45:09] Voice 1: is shining that otherwise has to be held in a battery. Are they going to have six conflict

[2:45:14] Voice 1: pilots? I don't know and your staff probably doesn't have the resources to know about septic

[2:45:22] Voice 1: systems and solar systems and all this stuff but certainly it isn't necessary to have six

[2:45:28] Voice 1: expect to have a teeny-weeny tiny little island, okay?

[2:45:32] Voice 1: And the other one is a wall,

[2:45:35] Voice 1: and it's a classic system of the ocean coming in,

[2:45:39] Voice 1: undercutting the shore.

[2:45:41] Voice 1: And when you put up a wall there,

[2:45:42] Voice 1: it scours away the rest of the beach,

[2:45:45] Voice 1: and it destroys the shallow habitat that we've seen before.

[2:45:49] Voice 1: And I know on that one,

[2:45:50] Voice 1: the staff did recommend some more studies.

[2:45:53] Voice 1: So I urge you, with all three of these,

[2:45:55] Voice 1: to look at them really, really carefully,

[2:45:57] Voice 1: and think about are there other options that would allow the setbacks to be retained. I know on the island it's difficult because such a tiny island and the house goes all the way across the island.

[2:46:11] Voice 1: So, but yes, that's a large house necessary. I think that would be a reasonable question. I probably used up my time.

[2:46:17] Voice 4: Thank you very much. And I'm sorry, I forgot to ask your name.

[2:46:22] Voice 4: Thanks. I should know the name.

[2:46:25] Voice 4: thank you very much uh sir i saw you with your head your glasses on

[2:46:32] Voice 4: hi um

[2:46:34] Voice 12: i'm speaking to a variance application is that appropriate at this moment

[2:46:38] Voice 12: you're

[2:46:38] Voice 4: not the applicant i'm not no

[2:46:40] Voice 4: go ahead perfect which which one and your name is i'm

[2:46:45] Voice 4: about my name is andrew atkins and i want to speak to the um variance

[2:46:49] Voice 13: application i've got

[2:46:51] Voice 13: the number of your book it's for secret island yeah but it's um i think it's dbp uh uh two zero

[2:46:59] Voice 4: two one dash we should be doing the model i've read all just so you know i've read all of the

[2:47:03] Voice 4: letters perfect

[2:47:03] Voice 13: okay so um i don't wish to repeat the content of those letters the letters are fairly

[2:47:08] Voice 13: self-explanatory um i just want to give you a little bit of context in the with respect to

[2:47:15] Voice 13: secret island secret islands is uh it's a small island it's

[2:47:19] Voice 4: got a lot of lots on it it's almost

[2:47:20] Voice 4: 40 watts on it um it's less than a kilometer long it's about 100 meters across um the island was

[2:47:27] Voice 4: carved up in the very early 70s into into basically um city-sized lots so we have 110 feet

[2:47:34] Voice 4: of frontage um my uh my wife's family has three lots that are directed to the north of the

[2:47:41] Voice 4: applicant's property um in recognition of the fact that it was a small island from way back when

[2:47:50] Voice 4: the island put together an informal group called sapo which is a secret island

[2:47:55] Voice 4: property owners association the last 30 years they have conducted themselves through annual meetings

[2:48:02] Voice 4: and consensus folks to deal with the majority of issues that relate to the group as a whole so

[2:48:13] Voice 4: for example they deal with the the water collection we have a small well and we have a

[2:48:18] Voice 4: sister we deal with that we deal with fire we deal with fire brigade and we extend this training we

[2:48:27] Voice 4: have trainings that there's some sort of fire protection for the island and we deal with the

[2:48:32] Voice 4: dog and we have

[2:48:33] Voice 4: a community dog that is on the property that is immediately across from the

[2:48:39] Voice 4: applicant's um uh property um that

[2:48:43] Voice 13: dot effectively services what services all the items specifically

[2:48:48] Voice 13: specifically at services for 20 or so lots

[2:48:51] Voice 13: that are along the Western side,

[2:48:55] Voice 13: where

[2:48:55] Voice 12: on Captain's

[2:48:57] Voice 4: Pass, where because of weather

[2:48:59] Voice 4: and just because of the pristine nature of it,

[2:49:02] Voice 4: no docks have been put up until now.

[2:49:06] Voice 4: Two or three years ago, the

[2:49:07] Voice 13: applicant purchased land

[2:49:11] Voice 4: on the island

[2:49:12] Voice 13: and was putting his boat,

[2:49:16] Voice 13: he has

[2:49:17] Voice 4: a large boat, he's a 50 foot Meridian,

[2:49:19] Voice 4: i believe it is and he was putting the boat on the glen thorn side the eastern side and accessing

[2:49:26] Voice 4: through the um existing dog that is that community dog the community dog

[2:49:32] Voice 12: is it's i wouldn't say it's

[2:49:35] Voice 12: flimsy but it's not it is

[2:49:36] Voice 4: not there's no piles on it it's relatively long it's held back by cable

[2:49:41] Voice 4: it's not that um it's not that um stronger dog in the past um the applicant has been putting

[2:49:50] Voice 4: his large boat on that dog in a way and the other the other owners all have

[2:49:56] Voice 4: and they've all respected the fact that it's a shared dock and it's a shared resource

[2:50:02] Voice 4: that's that is managed collectively and it is it is um um

[2:50:10] Voice 13: and it's shared in a way again

[2:50:12] Voice 13: Again, there's consensus to it.

[2:50:16] Voice 13: The applicant's vote picks up probably half of that vote.

[2:50:20] Voice 13: And thereby putting pressure not just on the physical structure itself,

[2:50:25] Voice 13: but also from the perspective of the community wanting to share it.

[2:50:29] Voice 13: Last year, there was a meeting that was called.

[2:50:33] Voice 13: There was an opportunity for everybody to speak at that meeting.

[2:50:36] Voice 13: And there was a reiteration.

[2:50:38] Voice 13: This is the first time that it had become a significant issue.

[2:50:40] Voice 13: So there was a reiteration of a rule that we have, which is that any

[2:50:45] Voice 4: boat over 23 feet

[2:50:47] Voice 4: should not stay on the dock.

[2:50:49] Voice 4: Having said that, there are four mooring buoys that

[2:50:54] Voice 13: are located up and down the pass, one

[2:50:58] Voice 13: of which is paid for by the SIPOA, the Property Owners

[2:51:01] Voice 4: Association, that is used by the one

[2:51:05] Voice 4: or two bigger boats, and then the boats tender to the shore.

[2:51:09] Voice 4: And also by practice, some of the bigger boats, if they were coming in with materials or equipment or lots of people, if there was room on the dock, they would touch, drop off their gear, go out to the mooring board, their paint drop, and from there on, they would use their equipment.

[2:51:26] Voice 4: That's been the practice at the island for 30 or 40 years.

[2:51:31] Voice 4: The applicant is suggesting that because the dock is restricted to 23 feet, that he's therefore been excluded out of the island, and therefore he needs a private dock on the other side.

[2:51:47] Voice 4: But that's not consistent with how the island has functioned for

[2:51:52] Voice 13: the last 30 or 40 years.

[2:51:54] Voice 13: And all of the western side has been using that one dock collectively and successfully for all that period of time.

[2:52:03] Voice 4: Could I ask you to sort of, if you could wrap it up, please.

[2:52:07] Voice 4: You bet.

[2:52:09] Voice 4: The applicant is suggesting that there hasn't been notice of this and that he was somehow surprised by this.

[2:52:16] Voice 4: That's not consistent with how SOFOA has functioned, again, for 30 or 40 years.

[2:52:21] Voice 4: Nobody was trying to surprise anybody about this.

[2:52:30] Voice 4: the the response that that the applicant has made is that he wants to put out 60 a 60 foot by 20

[2:52:37] Voice 4: foot concrete monolithic dock that projects 40 or 50 feet beyond what would normally be allowed

[2:52:46] Voice 4: into captain's pass

[2:52:48] Voice 13: and that is that is that would be a blight on the western shore of that

[2:52:55] Voice 13: island which currently has no docking at all so i think all of the there i think there's 11 or 12

[2:53:05] Voice 13: letters that have come in on this from a total of 20 some odd uh

[2:53:10] Voice 4: owners on the island on very

[2:53:12] Voice 4: short notice there are there is no support for this proposition at all um there is the magnitude

[2:53:19] Voice 4: of the dock is overwhelming it's going to be a substantial deterrent for a detriment to a lot

[2:53:27] Voice 13: of the people on the western side who look out on this um and there is adequate access to the island

[2:53:32] Voice 13: through the existing docking structure and through what the community has done consensus basis over

[2:53:38] Voice 13: the course of the last 30 or 40 years that's really what i have to say thank you very much

[2:53:43] Voice 13: thank you now

[2:53:44] Voice 4: that's a question sure i'm sorry excuse me

[2:53:48] Voice 4: i'm sorry this this dock on the west

[2:53:50] Voice 4: west side of the island, which I know well, it gets pretty rough out there.

[2:53:55] Voice 13: We've had extraordinary storms there.

[2:53:58] Voice 4: So I can't see any dock surviving the kinds of storms that come down the Capitals Passage.

[2:54:05] Voice 4: Well, what has been proposed is monolithic concrete, 60 by 20, and that the dock itself

[2:54:11] Voice 4: would act as an attenuator for those storms, which again, it makes it enormous.

[2:54:18] Voice 4: And it would

[2:54:19] Voice 4: be anchored out and anchored back in.

[2:54:22] Voice 4: I mean, again, the gear and the structure of this thing, it is

[2:54:26] Voice 13: so far above what anything

[2:54:28] Voice 13: else on the island has, and it is without precedent on the western side.

[2:54:34] Voice 13: And

[2:54:34] Voice 4: frankly, all of us don't want, first of all, we don't want this dock, but we also

[2:54:42] Voice 4: don't want the precedent of this dock, because the western shore is one of the truly special

[2:54:47] Voice 4: special parts of this island and to the community thank you very much

[2:54:52] Voice 4: thank you sir I think I the

[2:54:58] Voice 4: gentleman with the two con had his hand up as well you wanted to speak to an app with one of

[2:55:02] Voice 4: the applications yeah

[2:55:03] Voice 10: yeah I'm the owner of the island sorry

[2:55:09] Voice 4: oh are you here to speak on clamshell

[2:55:13] Voice 4: Island are you the applicant you'll have an opportunity when we come to that application

[2:55:18] Voice 4: we'll be able to speak to you you'll be able to address us at your leisure when we come to that

[2:55:23] Voice 4: application okay thanks very much yes jen it's jenna yeah

[2:55:27] Voice 6: for town hall yeah go ahead

[2:55:29] Voice 6: um yeah

[2:55:30] Voice 6: speak to

[2:55:31] Voice 3: an application yeah

[2:55:31] Voice 6: i'm hoping that the uh application for the land that was the

[2:55:37] Voice 6: former fulford inn property is on the agenda um i it's not it's not okay uh can i still speak

[2:55:44] Voice 6: well

[2:55:45] Voice 4: let me see if anybody else wants to speak to one of the applications that's on the agenda

[2:55:49] Voice 4: and then we'll come to more general things does anybody else want to speak about any of the

[2:55:54] Voice 4: applications that are on the agenda yes there's a gentleman weird do you mind if i ask you to

[2:55:59] Voice 3: think we'll just

[2:56:00] Voice 4: get through this first i just i've been just informed here that the

[2:56:07] Voice 4: item i was uh what you speak to has not been placed on the agenda

[2:56:11] Voice 4: oh okay so

[2:56:14] Voice 4: we're just dealing with applications that are on the agenda right now uh we'll come

[2:56:19] Voice 4: through a more general commentary to the to the trust in a moment

[2:56:23] Voice 4: so there's nobody else that

[2:56:24] Voice 4: wishes to speak to any of the applications that are on the agenda other than an applicant sorry

[2:56:30] Voice 4: to interrupt you go ahead we'll move on

[2:56:32] Voice 4: now to more general life yes

[2:56:34] Voice 6: um i i just want to put in

[2:56:37] Voice 6: less than a minute a comment i um am quite concerned in general about the vortex proposal

[2:56:44] Voice 6: and i had spent a lot of time on around that area because i need to take my children to

[2:56:51] Voice 6: for gymnastics and i note that that area where the proposal for the new building is is a very

[2:57:00] Voice 6: very beautiful clean area where there's a lot of marine life and a lot of you know ducks go down

[2:57:08] Voice 6: the freshwater stream that passes through the vortex property and go to the ocean and i am very

[2:57:14] Voice 6: concerned about the um the plans and the the sewage situation and i wouldn't really want to

[2:57:22] Voice 6: see that going forward unless things were really well worked out particularly around runoff from

[2:57:28] Voice 6: from parking lot and from sewage so that's that's all i have to say okay

[2:57:32] Voice 4: thanks thanks

[2:57:33] Voice 4: okay so anybody else wish to speak to the local trust committee about other items more generally

[2:57:38] Voice 4: related to the local trust business uh or the local local trust area sorry yeah oh sorry could

[2:57:51] Voice 4: you come forward this is the general yes we're at the

[2:57:54] Voice 4: jet generals there

[2:57:59] Voice 10: are several of us

[2:58:02] Voice 4: okay and could you uh perhaps uh introduce yourself or whoever's speaking and what the

[2:58:10] Voice 4: topic is you're going to speak can

[2:58:13] Voice 13: i get you from here

[2:58:13] Voice 4: uh you can

[2:58:15] Voice 4: i'm not i hope that mic

[2:58:17] Voice 4: can pick you up remembering and for those watching online there's about 25 people in the hall and we

[2:58:23] Voice 4: have three or four that wish to speak to us it's easier to come here because the mic is actually

[2:58:26] Voice 4: built into that camera and it's quite sensitive but it'd be better if it came forward no no no

[2:58:36] Voice 10: it's not there's no mic

[2:58:37] Voice 4: it's built into this piece of equipment it'll pick you up okay

[2:58:42] Voice 12: my name is les brost i live on 232 canvas back place here on salt spring island on channel ridge

[2:58:48] Voice 12: and i'm here today to speak to the issue of the proposal regarding the the the super tower

[2:58:55] Voice 12: that, you know, additions to the tower

[2:58:59] Voice 4: that are being moved and proposed. And I'm here to say,

[2:59:06] Voice 4: I'm

[2:59:08] Voice 3: just simply here to ask questions. I hope this will not be long.

[2:59:15] Voice 12: My first question, you know,

[2:59:18] Voice 12: given that operating complex structures, such as this proposed communication tower addition,

[2:59:26] Voice 12: can create human health problems and

[2:59:29] Voice 4: substantively impact residential property values

[2:59:34] Voice 4: and that ample alternative sites distant from

[2:59:39] Voice 12: the current residential development and yet adjacent

[2:59:42] Voice 12: in on the undeveloped only managed

[2:59:44] Voice 4: properties are available they're there so

[2:59:51] Voice 12: why are we there there

[2:59:51] Voice 12: why am i here today and why are the others of us here we're just going to ask a question

[2:59:56] Voice 12: to the community.

[3:00:00] Voice 12: subject our wonderful canvas back place neighborhood to a cloud of risks and anxieties

[3:00:06] Voice 12: by overlooking alternate population tree locations close at hand ladies and gentlemen

[3:00:16] Voice 12: whatever and where i come from a little prairie boy i'm going to i apologize but whatever the

[3:00:23] Voice 12: hell happened to fundamental fairness this is not a

[3:00:28] Voice 4: a proposal that deserves to be implemented

[3:00:33] Voice 4: that's all i have to say and i thank you for your your

[3:00:36] Voice 12: attention and uh and allowing me to speak

[3:00:39] Voice 12: thanks very much so i'm gathering that

[3:00:43] Voice 4: each of you wishes to speak to this application as well

[3:00:45] Voice 4: that's fine you could take is that all right and uh just if you could be brief and not be

[3:00:51] Voice 4: repetitive that would be great hi hi thank

[3:00:55] Voice 6: you i'll try to be quick my name is diana pattison

[3:00:58] Voice 6: i'm one of the concerned residents of canvas back and i'm here to speak about your approval

[3:01:02] Voice 6: of the cell tower site in channel neighborhood my house is second closest to the proposed cell

[3:01:08] Voice 6: tower site if the tower is built in

[3:01:10] Voice 6: that spot it will be roughly 80 meters from my house and

[3:01:14] Voice 6: i'll be able to see it clearly from my front door and from my baby's bedroom window it will be just

[3:01:19] Voice 6: 25 meters away from another property. On March 5th, 2021, Rogers and Crest sent out a notification

[3:01:26] Voice 6: package to 76 Channel Ridge property owners near the proposed site. The package stated that the

[3:01:32] Voice 6: IACD is responsible for the approval of this antenna system. That statement has been proven

[3:01:37] Voice 6: to be false, and IACD themselves communicated to us that it is ultimately the LTC on South

[3:01:42] Voice 6: that has the power to approve or reject such proposal. The LTC and Islands Trust has revealed

[3:01:49] Voice 6: a conflict of interest that has prevented our group from starting an official complaint process

[3:01:53] Voice 6: to request an inquiry into the negligent approval of this cell tower site as members of the

[3:02:01] Voice 6: community it is very frustrating that we are both unable to have a fair process for peoples and

[3:02:06] Voice 6: unable to hold accountable those who make decisions about something so close to our homes

[3:02:11] Voice 6: contrary to what the local trust committee and the proponents have said in the past

[3:02:16] Voice 6: the siting decision is 100% the responsibility of the LCC. Constituents have overwhelmingly stated

[3:02:22] Voice 6: their opposition to the siting in Channel Ridge and therefore if the LTC

[3:02:26] Voice 1: were to follow their

[3:02:26] Voice 1: constituents wishes they would rescind the decision.

[3:02:29] Voice 1: For having approved this location

[3:02:31] Voice 1: for such a monumental structure I genuinely hope each of you sitting

[3:02:35] Voice 6: here today has visited the

[3:02:36] Voice 6: proposed site just to see how insanely close it is to my house and to my neighbors. This is

[3:02:42] Voice 6: absolutely the wrong site for subject power and we urge you to rescind the decision as soon as

[3:02:46] Voice 6: possible thank

[3:02:48] Voice 4: you thank you very much with permission chair i do wish to correct a couple of

[3:02:52] Voice 4: items that you mentioned that you say the ltc has the power to approve or reject this application

[3:02:59] Voice 4: that is not so the ltc has already just requested its its opinion on it but it's we don't approve

[3:03:06] Voice 4: to approve or reject. And second, we do not have any control over the siting. Again, our

[3:03:14] Voice 4: only voice is to say yes, we're okay with this or we're not okay with it. We have no

[3:03:18] Voice 4: powers.

[3:03:19] Voice 4: We

[3:03:19] Voice 1: were told that the land use authority is

[3:03:21] Voice 6: usually the approval. But in this case, it's

[3:03:24] Voice 6: not.

[3:03:25] Voice 4: Yes.

[3:03:27] Voice 6: Well,

[3:03:31] Voice 4: you're going to have your own opportunity, sir. Are you the next speaker?

[3:03:33] Voice 4: no

[3:03:34] Voice 7: i'll respond to that hello my

[3:03:43] Voice 3: name is paul pattison

[3:03:44] Voice 9: i'm here today to talk about

[3:03:45] Voice 9: the decision to have a rogers build a new cell tower right beside our home when i first moved

[3:03:51] Voice 9: to salt spring four years ago i

[3:03:53] Voice 4: was impressed that it had a government structure in place

[3:03:55] Voice 4: whose mandate was to preserve and protect unfortunately i've now witnessed firsthand

[3:04:00] Voice 4: this isn't the case this committee is letting a large corporation like rogers do what they want

[3:04:05] Voice 4: without due diligence or oversight.

[3:04:07] Voice 4: To make matters worse,

[3:04:09] Voice 4: we are told that due process was followed,

[3:04:12] Voice 4: which has since been proven to be untrue.

[3:04:15] Voice 4: The trustee's concurrence decisions

[3:04:17] Voice 4: was based on a negligent

[3:04:19] Voice 9: process and inaccurate information.

[3:04:21] Voice 9: To be specific, this committee accepted recommendations

[3:04:27] Voice 9: from the Advisory Planning Commission on siting antennas,

[3:04:30] Voice 9: ignored policy objectives with respect to not developing

[3:04:34] Voice 4: on environmentally sensitive areas.

[3:04:37] Voice 4: Did not request Rogers, they requested Rogers

[3:04:40] Voice 4: follow the model siting protocol,

[3:04:42] Voice 4: but did not ensure and follow through that they did.

[3:04:45] Voice 4: They did not conduct due diligence on the application

[3:04:48] Voice 4: and don't know where the other sites are

[3:04:50] Voice 4: that were considered.

[3:04:52] Voice 4: Accepted false statements from Rogers

[3:04:54] Voice 4: and did not follow up on items requested.

[3:04:59] Voice 4: This was recently even acknowledged by the committee

[3:05:01] Voice 4: in the past November, this past November,

[3:05:03] Voice 4: when they asked Rogers to meet with us.

[3:05:05] Voice 9: Now, 110 days later, this has not happened.

[3:05:10] Voice 9: And why would it?

[3:05:11] Voice 9: They have what they want.

[3:05:13] Voice 9: Rogers will now do as they please.

[3:05:15] Voice 9: This committee obviously recognizes the importance

[3:05:18] Voice 9: of having a proper process for siting cell towers

[3:05:21] Voice 9: because it recently approved a formal process for doing so.

[3:05:24] Voice 9: Why would this Rogers tower be rushed through

[3:05:28] Voice 9: without such a process taking place?

[3:05:31] Voice 9: it's not too late to rectify this

[3:05:33] Voice 4: misstep we plead with the committee to reverse the concurrence

[3:05:36] Voice 4: and follow proper process and siting the tower there is ample land many good locations

[3:05:42] Voice 4: that don't include having to be placed in the backyards of young families and seniors

[3:05:56] Voice 6: good afternoon everybody my name is connie nipples ledger and i am obviously part of

[3:06:03] Voice 6: the channel ridge delegation here um i'd like to talk about the location of the tower we have

[3:06:11] Voice 6: um handouts for all of you which is an article from the university of victoria journals it's

[3:06:18] Voice 6: entitled archaeology news from 2016 and i'll be happy to give you a copy of it the article

[3:06:27] Voice 6: is about first nations activity on the top of channel ridge historically over the past

[3:06:32] Voice 6: 2,000 years. We

[3:06:36] Voice 6: have some questions for the trustees, which are, are you aware of the

[3:06:42] Voice 6: historical First Nations Act to be on Channel Ridge that does go back as far as a little bit

[3:06:47] Voice 6: more than 2,000 years? Are you aware of the 2004 RCMP investigation against Channel Ridge

[3:06:55] Voice 6: Properties Limited for contravention of the Heritage Conservation Act of 1996? Are you aware

[3:07:03] Voice 6: that channel ridge properties were required to complete a comprehensive inventory and impact

[3:07:09] Voice 6: assessment which discovered a complex of archaeological sites at the top of channel

[3:07:15] Voice 6: ridge this includes several inland shell middens lithic scatters a hearth feature and two previously

[3:07:22] Voice 6: unknown petroglyph rock art boulders we've now discovered that channel ridge was used extensively

[3:07:30] Voice 6: by the First Nations people.

[3:07:32] Voice 6: And we expect that our local trust committee

[3:07:34] Voice 6: did not confer with First Nations

[3:07:37] Voice 6: nor require an archeological assessment

[3:07:39] Voice 6: before providing your concurrence decision

[3:07:42] Voice 6: on the Rogers Tower.

[3:07:44] Voice 6: With this recent news,

[3:07:46] Voice 6: the question is whether the committee investigated this

[3:07:52] Voice 6: from the very beginning or if it was just bypassed.

[3:07:56] Voice 6: So the only real answer now is for the trustees

[3:07:59] Voice 6: to rescind their concurrence decision about the tower

[3:08:01] Voice 6: and ask the Rogers to review

[3:08:03] Voice 6: the previous archeological assessment

[3:08:06] Voice 6: and engage First Nations.

[3:08:08] Voice 6: It's really the only right thing to do.

[3:08:10] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:08:11] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:08:12] Voice 7: Hi,

[3:08:18] Voice 8: my name is Julian Clark.

[3:08:20] Voice 8: I live on Canvasback, 292 Canvasback.

[3:08:23] Voice 8: I'm the third furthest house

[3:08:25] Voice 8: from this proposed cell site tower.

[3:08:29] Voice 8: I do have some remarks I'd like to make,

[3:08:31] Voice 8: but if I may, if I could just respond

[3:08:33] Voice 8: on from Trustee Groves' point.

[3:08:36] Voice 8: We have written, the concerned residents of Canvas Vac

[3:08:39] Voice 8: have written to ISED asking that they hold up

[3:08:41] Voice 8: your concurrence decision.

[3:08:43] Voice 8: They've responded, and I quote,

[3:08:45] Voice 8: that the department believes land use authorities

[3:08:47] Voice 8: are best positioned to determine whether an antenna proposal

[3:08:50] Voice 8: is suitable for their respective community.

[3:08:53] Voice 8: The LOA in this case,

[3:08:54] Voice 8: the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee,

[3:08:56] Voice 8: and it is within their prerogative and discretion

[3:08:58] Voice 8: to decide which criteria should be applied

[3:09:00] Voice 8: when granting concurrence.

[3:09:02] Voice 8: ised is impartial to the selection and application of these criteria that fall within the lua

[3:09:07] Voice 8: consultation process and any questions or concerns about the process the lua used should be directed

[3:09:13] Voice 8: to the ltc they further say that they indicated to the concerned residents it is not their

[3:09:22] Voice 8: responsibility to approve a sighting location but rather to confirm if either concurrence or

[3:09:27] Voice 8: non-concurrence has been issued by the land use authority yeah

[3:09:30] Voice 7: so

[3:09:31] Voice 8: that's the ised role in this

[3:09:34] Voice 8: from what they've told us is they once you have concurred they just need to confirm that you have

[3:09:40] Voice 8: concurred but that the decision as to where it is cited is 100 in the the land use authorities realm

[3:09:50] Voice 8: so i just wanted to respond to that one point the points i'd like to make i'd like to just

[3:09:54] Voice 8: try to sum things up a little bit here. You know, what we know is that the siting of this tower

[3:10:01] Voice 8: is 100% with the LTC. We know that there's been an overwhelming opposition by your constituents

[3:10:08] Voice 8: in terms of the siting of this tower in Channel Ridge. We know that during the application process,

[3:10:17] Voice 8: there were a number of issues with that application process that would suggest perhaps

[3:10:24] Voice 8: have some either absence on the part of LTC and the due diligence process of this tower

[3:10:30] Voice 8: siting or even suggestions of negligence as one of the prior speakers has suggested.

[3:10:36] Voice 8: We know that the LTC has acknowledged their concern with all of the points raised around

[3:10:41] Voice 8: the application process and in their November 29th meeting sorry a letter to the proponents

[3:10:47] Voice 8: they stated the LTC you have stated that you are concerned with these points raised

[3:10:51] Voice 8: and you've asked the proponents meet with the community to resolve some of these issues we know

[3:10:58] Voice 8: that four months has gone by and the proponents have not responded in any way whatsoever we've

[3:11:04] Voice 8: reached out to chair luckham twice now we finally got a response back from him on march 11th saying

[3:11:10] Voice 8: that he had just made the very first contact with rogers and they're planning something and

[3:11:17] Voice 8: will be in touch shortly. I don't know what their definition of shortly is, but it sure seems like

[3:11:23] Voice 8: a long period of time before even a first contact is made. So we know all these things. And now

[3:11:30] Voice 8: what we know is that there was First Nations, extensive First Nations activity up on Channel

[3:11:35] Voice 8: Ridge. And we know that during the application process, it was not required to confer with

[3:11:42] Voice 8: First Nations, nor was it required to review any kind of archaeological assessments. With your

[3:11:51] Voice 3: concurrence decision in place Rogers

[3:11:54] Voice 8: could be at that site right now knocking down the Gary Oaks

[3:11:58] Voice 8: that are there and putting this tower up. The LTC went to ISED, Innovation Science and Economic

[3:12:08] Voice 8: Development in October and knowing that there were some issues around the application process

[3:12:13] Voice 8: said what are our options now and ISED were very clear with you. They said that if you feel you had

[3:12:22] Voice 8: incomplete or inaccurate information the time you made your concurrence decision

[3:12:25] Voice 8: that you may rescind it. I submit to you that we have demonstrated over and over

[3:12:34] Voice 8: again that you had inaccurate and incomplete information when you made

[3:12:39] Voice 8: that concurrence decision. We now have even more information. We know that

[3:12:46] Voice 8: the proponents are not willing to respond to the community's problems and

[3:12:49] Voice 8: issues and concerns. And we now know that First Nations have extensive use of

[3:12:54] Voice 8: these lands and there's been nothing to ensure that that is impacted against all of the various

[3:13:03] Voice 8: acts and heritage acts and conservation acts that are in place with all that said i implore you

[3:13:10] Voice 8: to do the right thing and rescind this concurrence decision today and let the proponents know

[3:13:17] Voice 8: that they're more than welcome to come back and run through the process the way it should have

[3:13:22] Voice 8: been run through in the first place and whatever decision comes out of that all of us can accept

[3:13:26] Voice 8: but let's have a process that's fair thank you thank

[3:13:30] Voice 7: you sir okay there's more can

[3:13:39] Voice 3: i ask you

[3:13:39] Voice 3: perhaps not be repetitive if you can good afternoon i'm

[3:13:42] Voice 1: yvonne gibbon 217 canvas back place

[3:13:45] Voice 1: i live down the hill from the people who have been speaking but i'm here to support them and

[3:13:52] Voice 1: And actually, I'm very surprised that a large company like Rogers would not have had a meeting with the residents of Channel Ridge, because this is a very important decision and it impacts all of us.

[3:14:05] Voice 1: I want to make it short, and I would just like to say I think much more needs to be done. Rogers needs to communicate with us. They need to have a meeting with us, and we need to be able to discuss our concerns with them.

[3:14:21] Voice 1: that's all i have to say thank

[3:14:22] Voice 7: you thank you very much

[3:14:32] Voice 12: my name is dave gibbon 217 camera stack i'm here in support of those who have already spoken and

[3:14:40] Voice 12: the rest of my neighbors may not have been able to attend that i cannot add anything more to what's

[3:14:47] Voice 12: been said but i simply want to add my support and thank

[3:14:50] Voice 7: you thank you is this still part of

[3:15:00] Voice 4: the town hall okay uh david courtney uh laura brought up uh the business with regards to the

[3:15:07] Voice 4: very situation there and um and the agreement of 1992 i was wondering um this morning we can't log

[3:15:18] Voice 4: on to the town hall to be part of the town hall for whatever reason okay um we know that um we've

[3:15:27] Voice 4: got 2 000 petitions behind us we've gone to mr um who's actually fostered our our petition uh

[3:15:37] Voice 4: in government he's going to read the petition next week um we're looking for the support of

[3:15:43] Voice 4: basically the trustees who can actually support the petition of the 26 um i don't think peter

[3:15:51] Voice 4: or laura can get there but we do have trustees within the system that would like to support

[3:15:58] Voice 4: i'd appreciate it if you're acting as chair today on behalf of peter luck okay i would uh request

[3:16:05] Voice 4: that you or peter luckham basically pull the um trustees and ask them if they can go forward and

[3:16:14] Voice 4: support uh the petition of the 2000 basically your constituents thank you any questions no it it's

[3:16:25] Voice 4: on our ec agenda for tomorrow your last letter which is one of your sort of executive committee

[3:16:31] Voice 4: one of your correspondence where you may need that question it's on our agenda for tomorrow

[3:16:36] Voice 13: will that be a town hall or would that be just the president well

[3:16:39] Voice 4: it's part of our meeting it's

[3:16:41] Voice 4: part of our correspondence

[3:16:42] Voice 3: um

[3:16:43] Voice 4: and it's there okay and um yeah i guess we'll talk about it

[3:16:48] Voice 4: chair lockham will be there vice chair packard will be there i'll be there uh we'll take we'll

[3:16:53] Voice 4: we'll report out on your request.

[3:16:55] Voice 4: Thank you very much, appreciate it.

[3:16:57] Voice 3: For

[3:16:59] Voice 4: anybody else who's here that wishes to speak

[3:17:02] Voice 4: to the local trust committee about any matters

[3:17:05] Voice 4: within our jurisdiction, seeing no one.

[3:17:11] Voice 4: So with that, I'm going to close town hall.

[3:17:19] Voice 4: I'll ask the trustees whether there's anything arising

[3:17:23] Voice 4: anything out of that you wish to do or we just move right into the application

[3:17:30] Voice 4: i'd like to move forward with the applications please

[3:17:36] Voice 11: you have time at the end that you can discuss i'm

[3:17:39] Voice 4: sorry i can't at

[3:17:40] Voice 11: the end maybe you can

[3:17:42] Voice 11: discuss generally okay

[3:17:43] Voice 3: all right so you'll yeah see here

[3:17:52] Voice 7: oh you just need to stand down

[3:17:54] Voice 4: sorry

[3:17:55] Voice 4: Sorry, I thought maybe you were leaving.

[3:17:59] Voice 4: Okay, so would you like to add that

[3:18:01] Voice 4: to the end of the agenda?

[3:18:02] Voice 4: Yes.

[3:18:03] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:18:04] Voice 4: Let's channel your attention.

[3:18:09] Voice 4: It's interesting.

[3:18:10] Voice 4: It's never been adopted at local trust committees

[3:18:14] Voice 4: because at Trust Council,

[3:18:15] Voice 4: we have a disposition of delegation

[3:18:17] Voice 4: to town hall speakers at the end of the meeting.

[3:18:20] Voice 4: That's only appeared at the end

[3:18:22] Voice 4: of any local trust committee I've ever been at.

[3:18:27] Voice 4: So, sorry.

[3:18:30] Voice 10: sorry so trustee pastor

[3:18:32] Voice 4: just indicated that she'd like to talk about channel Ridge at the end of the

[3:18:36] Voice 4: week at the end of the week correct so the first item on the agenda is 16.1 which is the uh Moby's

[3:18:48] Voice 4: Marine Pub um and uh is there anybody here from the applicant sir thank you so here's the process

[3:18:56] Voice 4: that we'll use we'll get the staff to prepare their stuff present their staff report related

[3:19:02] Voice 4: related to the application.

[3:19:04] Voice 4: I'll ask the trustees,

[3:19:05] Voice 4: whether they have any questions of the staff

[3:19:07] Voice 4: regarding to the staff report,

[3:19:09] Voice 4: and then I'll give you an opportunity, sir,

[3:19:11] Voice 4: to speak to the staff report in any way you wish.

[3:19:14] Voice 4: And then we'll have our deliberations related to,

[3:19:18] Voice 4: and trustees may ask you questions

[3:19:20] Voice 4: about your commentary too.

[3:19:22] Voice 4: So who is presenting this?

[3:19:24] Voice 4: You are, go ahead.

[3:19:26] Voice 4: Thank you, sir.

[3:19:28] Voice 4: So this is an application at 126 Upper Ganges Road

[3:19:31] Voice 4: at Moby's Pub there to make permanent what has been up to this point a temporary expansion

[3:19:37] Voice 4: service area that was granted during COVID. So the applicant is looking to make it permanent as that

[3:19:43] Voice 4: expires in June of this year. Necessarily with that change is a requirement to amend an existing

[3:19:51] Voice 4: development permit on site. So the area under consideration is a small patio area near the

[3:20:00] Voice 4: marina you can see this in relation to where the existing uh restaurant is um there are minor

[3:20:10] Voice 4: issues with the uh development permit as proposed um can go into those further if the ltc would like

[3:20:18] Voice 4: to hear about them but fundamentally they are very minor in nature and stuff to consider that

[3:20:23] Voice 4: that granting the DP is perfect at this time.

[3:20:27] Voice 4: And then in relation to the LCRB application,

[3:20:32] Voice 4: we did host a community information session via Zoom.

[3:20:38] Voice 4: Fairly low attendance there.

[3:20:40] Voice 4: There were some comments,

[3:20:41] Voice 4: concerns about the hours of operation,

[3:20:45] Voice 4: but no one admitted that they were opposed

[3:20:47] Voice 4: to this permanent change.

[3:20:50] Voice 4: And as you have probably seen,

[3:20:53] Voice 4: there's been close to 200 letters of support that have been sent in for this application so

[3:21:00] Voice 4: staff recommendation is to forward the uh lcrb referral back to the lcrb with support

[3:21:09] Voice 4: um based on this resolution here and that we include a record of the community consultation

[3:21:13] Voice 4: and as well to issue the amendment or the amending development permit so we can take

[3:21:19] Voice 4: take any questions okay so questions or clarification from the the stops from either

[3:21:26] Voice 4: of the trustee go ahead trustee my only

[3:21:29] Voice 11: question i i only support this and i've sat out there

[3:21:35] Voice 11: myself and i'm and i'm and i know this was allowed through the pandemic to give you a chance to

[3:21:41] Voice 11: extend your outdoor dining and uh and i thank you for doing that um my only question was that

[3:21:48] Voice 11: that deck-like structure that that that's been there that's an existing deck-like structure so

[3:21:55] Voice 11: I guess that was my my only question as far as like natural things and all that I see this as

[3:22:01] Voice 11: more a long term you know it's it's it's it's going to be how this area gets used over the

[3:22:07] Voice 11: time I assume it's going to become a permanent part you're going to probably want to make it

[3:22:10] Voice 11: look prettier with plants and so forth if that's going to become a permanent you know because I'm

[3:22:16] Voice 11: sure you can always be readjusting as you can tighten up the tables and all those things over

[3:22:21] Voice 11: time so i i'm comfortable that i i'm sure that the proponent is going to want to improve the

[3:22:29] Voice 11: ambiance of that area in a more you know using more expensive natural items as uh as time goes

[3:22:38] Voice 11: on if that area you know works i'm supporting this

[3:22:44] Voice 4: so that sounds like more like a question

[3:22:45] Voice 4: for the applicant, or is it a question?

[3:22:47] Voice 4: Do you have a question for Scott?

[3:22:49] Voice 11: No, my question was more about the

[3:22:50] Voice 11: whatever the structure is.

[3:22:52] Voice 4: There was some mention in the reports

[3:22:54] Voice 4: that the accoutrements, I'll call them,

[3:22:57] Voice 4: the windbreak, et cetera,

[3:22:59] Voice 4: don't really fit the DP guidelines,

[3:23:01] Voice 4: but it sounded like it felt like

[3:23:03] Voice 4: it was a fairly minor issue.

[3:23:06] Voice 4: Anyway, it sounds like you want to know

[3:23:08] Voice 4: whether they're going to fix it up.

[3:23:09] Voice 11: No, I'm not worried about it.

[3:23:11] Voice 11: I understand them being minor in nature.

[3:23:13] Voice 11: I know what our businesses have gone through in

[3:23:15] Voice 1: the last two years on this

[3:23:16] Voice 11: island in the pandemic, and I think it's more, I trust the applicant, as they learn to use this new space, would want to make it look better anyway.

[3:23:27] Voice 4: Sir, I'm sure your name's not Moby, despite the name on your sweater, perhaps. Do you have any commentary related to the staff report or anything you'd like to add?

[3:23:38] Voice 9: Sure. My name is Dale Schweigart. I'm the owner-operator of Moby's Pub.

[3:23:44] Voice 9: First, I'd like to thank the trustees and staff for the quick action and the assistance we got that allowed us to create our Tesla patio during the pandemic.

[3:23:55] Voice 9: The effect of the COVID-19 pandemic has been a

[3:23:59] Voice 4: little emotional.

[3:24:02] Voice 4: It's been pretty intense for businesses.

[3:24:08] Voice 4: This Tesla patio single-handedly saved Mobis during the pandemic.

[3:24:14] Voice 12: now we have two years worth of experience to judge

[3:24:17] Voice 9: the impact of the patio on the community with two

[3:24:20] Voice 9: years worth of experience regarding the impact of the patio on parking and i'm very pleased that the

[3:24:26] Voice 9: staff report does recommend the approval of this application i also

[3:24:30] Voice 9: see that there are outlined

[3:24:32] Voice 9: alternatives to the approval and i can tell you that any alternative will result in the reality

[3:24:37] Voice 9: that this

[3:24:37] Voice 4: patio will not happen not for this summer anyway and that would impact us greatly

[3:24:42] Voice 4: While we existed quite profitably without the patio pre-COVID, it's a

[3:24:52] Voice 9: very different world we're in today.

[3:24:55] Voice 9: Expenses such as payroll, general taxes, the EHP health tax the province has added to businesses,

[3:25:03] Voice 9: fuel prices driving higher costs for food and supplies, supply shortages, employee shortages,

[3:25:08] Voice 9: the very real costs of having to provide housing for our staff and our community,

[3:25:14] Voice 9: All of these are substantially up and the ability for us to survive our unknown future,

[3:25:20] Voice 4: in my opinion, depends greatly upon the approval of this platform.

[3:25:24] Voice 4: The comfort and confidence of dining outdoors, the opportunity to serve more guests more efficiently, these are what will make it easier for us to

[3:25:31] Voice 9: survive in the future.

[3:25:33] Voice 9: And I know you've heard from the public on this and I believe all of that input was positive.

[3:25:38] Voice 9: We did have the open house and there were residents in close proximity to the pub and patio

[3:25:43] Voice 9: that did have some concerns and we addressed those very directly.

[3:25:47] Voice 12: The application is

[3:25:49] Voice 4: for a 10 o'clock

[3:25:50] Voice 4: patio and the intention of live music is not to extend past 8, 8 30 at the latest so that there

[3:25:58] Voice 4: wouldn't be patio music at 10 o'clock in the evening. There was also some

[3:26:03] Voice 4: concern that there

[3:26:04] Voice 4: didn't maybe have to be music every single night and so we addressed that as well it did happen

[3:26:10] Voice 4: every single night last year when we didn't have an inside of course this year we'll have an inside

[3:26:15] Voice 12: so a lot of our attention will be focused inside as well so there certainly wouldn't be a need for

[3:26:21] Voice 12: every night patio music moving forward and i believe that uh each of the people that did ask

[3:26:28] Voice 12: questions and had concerns left the left the

[3:26:31] Voice 4: open house wishing us well on our

[3:26:34] Voice 4: application to address the

[3:26:39] Voice 9: concerns of the decor of the patio it was put

[3:26:42] Voice 9: together pretty quickly with existing space and and a little elbow grease and

[3:26:49] Voice 9: whoever could help us at the time we will

[3:26:52] Voice 9: make some investment to some

[3:26:56] Voice 9: uh aesthetic improvement improvements uh and and repair the space and dress it up a little

[3:27:05] Voice 9: bit more uh once we get approval there was just certainly no need to invest in that space

[3:27:11] Voice 9: at the time so i am here today in hopes that the trustees see the value in what we said

[3:27:17] Voice 9: the business in this community and and the value of us

[3:27:20] Voice 12: as a community member uh thank

[3:27:22] Voice 12: you for your time if there's any

[3:27:24] Voice 12: questions i'm happy to have any questions any questions no i

[3:27:28] Voice 4: have no questions and i'm happy to start making that

[3:27:30] Voice 11: version yes i

[3:27:32] Voice 11: was i we have all our reasons

[3:27:34] Voice 11: for here i mean this we we don't know or does like i guess the liquor board knows that this

[3:27:39] Voice 11: was operated during the pandemic successfully so we don't have to reiterate that because to me that's

[3:27:43] Voice 11: a the space is already

[3:27:45] Voice 11: operated so this is a plus that that making sure that the court knows that

[3:27:49] Voice 11: but thank

[3:27:52] Voice 4: you, we can strongly value the community.

[3:27:55] Voice 8: Certainly do.

[3:27:56] Voice 8: So I'm going to move that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee direct staff

[3:27:59] Voice 8: to send a response to the Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch

[3:28:03] Voice 8: regarding the outdoor patio application for 126 Upper Ganges Road in Moby's Pub

[3:28:08] Voice 8: that states,

[3:28:09] Voice 4: A, the potential impact of noise on the community

[3:28:12] Voice 4: in the immediate vicinity of the establishment will be minimal.

[3:28:15] Voice 8: B, the impact on the community if the application is approved would be negligible.

[3:28:19] Voice 8: c the use is permitted by zoning d the local trust committee recommends the application to be

[3:28:24] Voice 8: approved and yes i

[3:28:26] Voice 4: guess we're one of them second any discussion related to that motion no all in

[3:28:32] Voice 4: favor that passes and i'll

[3:28:34] Voice 11: move that the south spain and local trust community direct staff to

[3:28:37] Voice 11: include a record of community consultation contained within the staff report dated march 22

[3:28:42] Voice 11: with the response to the liquor and cannabis regulation branch regarding

[3:28:46] Voice 11: regarding the public's application.

[3:28:48] Voice 4: I second that.

[3:28:49] Voice 4: Okay, so any discussion?

[3:28:51] Voice 4: If not, I'll call the vote.

[3:28:52] Voice 4: All in favor, that passes unanimously.

[3:28:54] Voice 4: And I move

[3:28:55] Voice 8: that the Solskammer Local Trust Committee

[3:28:56] Voice 8: issues SSDP 2021.12, amending SSDP 2017

[3:29:00] Voice 4: .4

[3:29:01] Voice 4: and SSDP 1989.1.

[3:29:05] Voice 4: I'll second that.

[3:29:06] Voice 4: Second, any discussion?

[3:29:08] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[3:29:09] Voice 4: I'll call the vote.

[3:29:09] Voice 4: All in favor?

[3:29:10] Voice 4: Passes unanimously.

[3:29:11] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[3:29:12] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[3:29:13] Voice 4: Thank you, Dale.

[3:29:14] Voice 4: Good luck.

[3:29:19] Voice 4: okay next on the agenda is uh sorry is i lost my list it's mr corporate rd corporate is that

[3:29:36] Voice 4: you sir you're welcome to move forward if you wish or you don't have to you can stay where you are

[3:29:40] Voice 4: uh it's clamshell islet it's on page 201 of the uh of the um agenda and who's preparing

[3:29:53] Voice 4: I'll also note that Brad was the engineer on this file as well, is in the audience if

[3:29:57] Voice 4: you have any questions for us here.

[3:30:02] Voice 4: So this variance permit is on Thumb Shell Island, which is just off of the BC Variance Terminal in Long Harbour.

[3:30:10] Voice 4: The applicant seeking a variance for the setback to the natural boundary of the sea as it relates to a sewage disposal field

[3:30:18] Voice 4: in the nature of the island, the required 30-metre setback cannot be met.

[3:30:27] Voice 4: And then the other variance the applicant is seeking to move on here is the existing retaining wall that was put in to facilitate some of the land clearing activity that's at the southern portion of the end of this drawing anyway.

[3:30:44] Voice 4: And that's already in place, the septic field obviously, the sewage field has not been constructed as yet.

[3:30:50] Voice 4: um staff recognize that the island is permitted is zoned for residents so

[3:30:57] Voice 4: committed to have the services necessary to service that public dwelling has provided an

[3:31:06] Voice 4: engineering report that supports the reduction in the natural length of the sea to the that which

[3:31:12] Voice 4: is proposed here so staff do recommend approving that variance however the island is identified

[3:31:21] Voice 4: by as a sensitive ecosystem with the system and don't feel that there's been enough supporting

[3:31:26] Voice 4: evidence put forward to support the existence of the retaining wall that are constructed or

[3:31:32] Voice 4: the overall development of the island in that manner so are recommending that uh that variance

[3:31:41] Voice 4: be removed from the proposed permit and then the variance only for the septic treatment to be

[3:31:45] Voice 4: approved at this time um there's also a recommendation here that the applicant

[3:31:50] Voice 4: can submit a sole deposit permit that is required in the absence of a valid building permit which

[3:31:57] Voice 4: is the case here it's almost serving removal activities such as uh the work being done

[3:32:02] Voice 4: uh to facilitate access to that requires a fairly sustainable that was quite brief but i'll leave

[3:32:11] Voice 4: there any questions about that okay so i'm going to turn to trustees and again let's have questions

[3:32:19] Voice 4: questions for um uh the staff and the staff report and then I'll ask the applicant whether he wants

[3:32:26] Voice 4: to speak to the to the staff report and you can then ask questions about them so questions for

[3:32:38] Voice 4: can I just ask one clear two clarification questions in case I I I like to know what I can

[3:32:45] Voice 4: in case i these these two esteemed trustees don't agree with each other and i have to

[3:32:50] Voice 4: understand first is can i make sure that the the um in the recommendations on the page if you look

[3:32:56] Voice 4: them up i'd say the first recommendation refers to dp 2020 3.1 and the second one says dbp 2020

[3:33:04] Voice 4: is that just a typo and that is actually there's only a development variance here right

[3:33:09] Voice 4: yes thank you for pointing that out

[3:33:11] Voice 7: that's okay i just wanted to make sure i

[3:33:12] Voice 4: wasn't missing a

[3:33:13] Voice 4: development permit somewhere it should be okay and the other

[3:33:17] Voice 4: the other question is to make sure

[3:33:19] Voice 4: i understand the staff report this particular application was not referred to uh any of the

[3:33:27] Voice 4: local first nations in the area for any indication to their interest in this particular island

[3:33:37] Voice 4: his question is why is that uh

[3:33:40] Voice 3: it's what's sorry

[3:33:41] Voice 4: it's okay i suppose it would be at the

[3:33:44] Voice 4: discretion of the LTC and it's not a typical referral application for variances typically

[3:33:50] Voice 4: unless I'm sorry can

[3:33:51] Voice 4: you speak up uh staff don't typically refer variants applications

[3:33:55] Voice 4: for comment um would be happy to do so if the LTC would like I believe the applicant can probably

[3:34:02] Voice 4: speak more to it I believe they had a First Nations sort of cultural advisor come out to

[3:34:06] Voice 4: walk the island to provide some feedback and since we did not achieve that work but it's not been

[3:34:12] Voice 4: formally referred okay we'll come maybe come back to that but yeah if you have more just to say that

[3:34:19] Voice 4: there's no indication from the archaeological branch about it very good

[3:34:24] Voice 4: yeah we also know

[3:34:25] Voice 4: there's lots of gaps in that knowledge um so sorry is it mr corcoran yes okay

[3:34:31] Voice 4: thank you you're

[3:34:31] Voice 4: welcome to stand or sit or do what you wish whatever you feel more comfortable to do uh

[3:34:36] Voice 4: feel free to address us about the staff recording comments you have on that and i think the trustees

[3:34:41] Voice 4: needs me to answer questions yeah

[3:34:43] Voice 12: just to be clear first nations have come out and they've

[3:34:45] Voice 12: inspected our whole island it's actually violence trust that brought them out back in the day um

[3:34:51] Voice 12: but they've they've done a full walkthrough and they walked up this exact ramp that we're talking

[3:34:55] Voice 12: about so

[3:34:57] Voice 5: sorry when was that uh

[3:34:59] Voice 4: it's five or six months ago oh so

[3:35:02] Voice 10: before no

[3:35:03] Voice 7: that

[3:35:04] Voice 10: was david

[3:35:05] Voice 10: with bylaw was the island trust person that came out he brought both the building inspectors out

[3:35:11] Voice 12: plus the the

[3:35:13] Voice 10: archaeological

[3:35:14] Voice 12: branch they all came and walked the whole island

[3:35:18] Voice 4: made sure everything

[3:35:19] Voice 4: was fine and they were happy with everything go ahead all right my understanding is that

[3:35:26] work

[3:35:26] Voice 4: i believe staff our staff they brought harold road and the two pages harold was built

[3:35:34] Voice 4: was that applicant or island struck or

[3:35:37] Voice 10: i didn't request it at all that was something you guys

[3:35:42] Voice 10: supplies on me well

[3:35:44] Voice 4: that's not archaeological branch but the

[3:35:46] Voice 10: wait

[3:35:48] Voice 12: carry on okay well i bought

[3:35:50] Voice 12: this property over a year ago now and i've i've been in contact with island trust the entire time

[3:35:56] Voice 12: like before i even bought it and i've made my i've said exactly what i plan to do which is to

[3:36:03] Voice 12: build a residential home on there and that entire time i've been asking how i am supposed to access

[3:36:09] Voice 12: because it is 100% surrounded by DPAA, and not once have they told me how I am supposed to access it.

[3:36:21] Voice 12: Only that I'm

[3:36:22] Voice 7: not allowed to build a building.

[3:36:24] Voice 7: And basically,

[3:36:27] Voice 12: yeah, other than that, I haven't been told a possible way to access my property,

[3:36:34] Voice 12: let alone bring material, building materials, anything like that.

[3:36:38] Voice 12: So I've got over 1,000 linear hoops of water frontage.

[3:36:44] Voice 12: Out of that 1,000, 99% of it is untouched.

[3:36:48] Voice 12: I've taken a 12-foot section that's just wide enough

[3:36:51] Voice 12: to bring up materials, and that is my access

[3:36:54] Voice 12: for the entire island.

[3:36:56] Voice 12: And to stop soil washing down this area,

[3:37:04] Voice 12: I've added crushed rock, which is what the boat ramps

[3:37:08] Voice 12: in the area did so it seems like it's the right thing to do and the retaining wall in question

[3:37:14] Voice 12: is just to retain the existing soil so it doesn't fall onto that area and wash into the ocean so

[3:37:21] Voice 12: that's the only reason for that existence of all that is because i need a way to access my property

[3:37:25] Voice 12: and they have not been able to tell me

[3:37:29] Voice 4: another way for me to do it but who's the island trust

[3:37:35] Voice 4: that's um yeah i don't know who else i would talk to about that um and

[3:37:42] Voice 12: then as far as the

[3:37:43] Voice 12: septic field it sounds bad when you say septic but in reality it is my shower water and my

[3:37:50] Voice 12: sink water and my kitchen sink will have a grease trap on it so the water that's going into this

[3:37:55] Voice 12: system is recycled shower water and sink water and it's literally just there to water troops

[3:38:02] Voice 12: I've got composting toilets on site that'll be they're all engineered and yeah I don't

[3:38:12] Voice 12: I don't see the reason it had to come to this to begin with if everything's so environmentally

[3:38:18] Voice 12: friendly these days seems like I've it's cost me thousands of dollars just to get all through this

[3:38:24] Voice 12: just to recycle my shower water and not to mention it slows down the whole process

[3:38:30] Voice 12: of everything. I've been in constant contact with Islands Trust for the last year trying to get

[3:38:36] Voice 12: building permits going as quickly as possible. I answer all emails within 24 hours. I've done

[3:38:43] Voice 12: multiple surveys, I've had geotech engineers out there and I've never said no to anybody that

[3:38:50] Voice 12: wanted to come and check it out as I've invited all my neighbours to if there

[3:38:55] Voice 12: is any concerns.

[3:38:56] Voice 12: And I couldn't hear the issues that you brought up earlier, but I'm more than happy to address

[3:39:03] Voice 12: any issues or any questions anybody has concerning the property.

[3:39:08] Voice 4: Yeah, the issues were about putting septic field close to the water and that there's

[3:39:14] Voice 4: a reason we have setbacks on septic, I mean, I'm paraphrasing what we said, but was that

[3:39:19] Voice 4: there's reasons why we have setbacks because the leachate can get into the water and create

[3:39:26] Voice 4: there's a sensitive ecosystem that i'm paraphrasing but that's

[3:39:29] Voice 12: summarizing what we

[3:39:30] Voice 12: said that is why i

[3:39:31] Voice 12: went with composting first and that's all just

[3:39:34] Voice 4: this on that i don't want to prolong and i'm

[3:39:37] Voice 4: not trying to be part of the congress uh be part of it but my understanding what when i was reading

[3:39:42] Voice 4: the technical report it sounded like the composting toilet leachate would also go into your i'm not

[3:39:48] Voice 4: sure how technically that worked. Yeah

[3:39:50] Voice 12: I also noted that but that's not that like the plan is

[3:39:55] Voice 12: to have a little 12 volt fan in there it goes continuously and any any um liquids are evaporated

[3:40:03] Voice 12: that way through it through the fan system. Brad is the engineer as far as that concerned

[3:40:09] Voice 12: he would know better than me. My perspective is yeah the composting toilets would not

[3:40:16] Voice 4: be part of

[3:40:18] Voice 4: like not need to run into that at all and i'm if i needed to

[3:40:23] Voice 12: i'm happy to set up the whole

[3:40:25] Voice 12: thing for him i don't want the whole reason for the composting toilets is that i don't want

[3:40:32] Voice 12: anything to chase either it's my it's my property it's my little island so i don't want to be

[3:40:36] Voice 12: contaminating anything either it's

[3:40:39] Voice 4: going to turn i think trustee packard has some questions

[3:40:42] Voice 11: well

[3:40:43] Voice 11: i'm just i'm more uh the archaeological especially especially islands you know i think everyone

[3:40:50] Voice 11: And one knows Grace Island

[3:40:50] Voice 11: and the history that it's had, so I'm aware of that one.

[3:40:55] Voice 12: Yeah, no,

[3:40:55] Voice 12: I'm very aware.

[3:40:57] Voice 12: So

[3:40:57] Voice 11: I was just, what did you do when or before or when you purchased the property to have any interest in potential for archaeological issues on the island?

[3:41:09] Voice 12: Well, I built a little shed on the island, which the bylaw didn't, well, the neighbors didn't like because they thought it was too close to the water.

[3:41:18] Voice 12: but I've had surveys done and everything and it is not too close to the water.

[3:41:22] Voice 12: But Islands Trust came out to clarify that and to

[3:41:25] Voice 10: check it all out and that's when they brought

[3:41:29] Voice 12: everybody along, the building inspectors and the First Nations to, I guess because they've

[3:41:36] Voice 12: had issues in the past they wanted to just, and they were stopping at another island as well,

[3:41:40] Voice 12: was their other reasoning. So

[3:41:44] Voice 13: they thought it was a good idea I guess to just bring them out

[3:41:47] Voice 13: and check everything so

[3:41:49] Voice 11: then you built a structure did you what did you do to find out could you

[3:41:55] Voice 11: build that structure or not well

[3:41:58] Voice 12: on the s srd side it says as a structure under things so i need it

[3:42:05] Voice 12: that's what the structure is it is my

[3:42:08] Voice 4: property is an island so i need somewhere to store

[3:42:11] Voice 4: tools and equipment and my little solar setup that grants me power over there there's there's

[3:42:19] Voice 4: no other way to do it other than to have somewhere on the main island to bring all

[3:42:25] Voice 4: my tools to and bath thoughts every single day

[3:42:28] Voice 12: and that and it's also it houses my first aid

[3:42:31] Voice 12: equipment because it is its own little island it if i ever hurt myself out there i need access

[3:42:39] Voice 12: that's what this little thing is it is my emergency response station um

[3:42:49] Voice 3: i

[3:42:53] Voice 11: mean i would

[3:42:53] Voice 11: i look at the conversation we just had on board texas on this definitely asking that uh prior to

[3:43:01] Voice 11: us contemplating a variance

[3:43:05] Voice 3: on this property that i'd want

[3:43:06] Voice 4: first nations to their input anyway

[3:43:15] Voice 4: before I contemplate this.

[3:43:19] Voice 12: I was provided an archaeological report

[3:43:22] Voice 12: which states

[3:43:24] Voice 12: that it's all

[3:43:25] Voice 12: work on it when I bought

[3:43:28] Voice 12: the property and then since then

[3:43:30] Voice 12: the archaeological people have been

[3:43:32] Voice 12: out and they walked the entire island

[3:43:33] Voice 12: and I asked them if I

[3:43:36] Voice 12: was able to work

[3:43:37] Voice 12: and they said yes, just if you find anything

[3:43:39] Voice 12: stop and report it

[3:43:42] Voice 12: obviously,

[3:43:42] Voice 4: which is

[3:43:43] Voice 4: which I understand are not final.

[3:43:50] Voice 4: I'll just say, none of that's in our report.

[3:43:54] Voice 4: So that material is either not,

[3:43:57] Voice 4: I don't know if it's been made available to staff

[3:43:59] Voice 4: if there's an archeological report.

[3:44:02] Voice 4: So we don't know that.

[3:44:04] Voice 4: And anyway, so that's a concern is that we don't have

[3:44:11] Voice 4: sort of a formal sign off or condition.

[3:44:14] Voice 4: So it's because sometimes-

[3:44:15] Voice 12: I put it

[3:44:16] Voice 12: on my phone, sorry.

[3:44:16] Voice 12: yeah

[3:44:17] Voice 4: it's fine we we we wouldn't you know we wouldn't probably deal with it today in any

[3:44:23] Voice 4: case because it gives us time to review it and i'm not sure who walked the property

[3:44:28] Voice 4: sounds like there were some concerns and we haven't got a report on that either

[3:44:34] Voice 11: um i do know there were i received numerous complaints uh when we were clearing the island

[3:44:40] Voice 11: and i would assume i was dressed up did too yes that was

[3:44:44] Voice 4: why they came out to investigate that

[3:44:47] Voice 12: and

[3:44:48] Voice 10: they found nothing wrong and that's as much as i know so yeah go

[3:45:00] Voice 4: ahead um this whole island is

[3:45:02] Voice 4: within the development area right uh no just just beyond the shoreline what's that just beyond the

[3:45:09] Voice 4: shoreline is strolling a dpa3 yeah it doesn't extend on the on the foreshore it was only sort

[3:45:15] Voice 4: of at the property line that but still we have considerable work here which is your access

[3:45:21] Voice 4: to the senior which obviously you need if you're going to build something yes and

[3:45:25] Voice 4: you've got no

[3:45:25] Voice 4: permit for that no i'm not sure how i'll get them well you make an application to make a permit

[3:45:34] Voice 4: staff how do you how would you get a permit to uh put in the kind of

[3:45:40] Voice 4: um driveway is it where he's put in there so i mean depending on the exact activity uh like

[3:45:46] Voice 4: a variance permit and a soil deposit permit and what was the second oh soil deposit permit

[3:45:52] Voice 4: uh in the absence of a valid building permit but i mean anybody who lives on the seashore

[3:46:01] Voice 4: on this island anyway knows that you can't just go in and start willy-nilly putting in walls

[3:46:06] Voice 4: putting in stairs putting in um i call this a driveway i don't know what you call it but it's

[3:46:12] Voice 4: pretty significant well it needs and like it what it needs to be significant yes

[3:46:18] Voice 13: i'm sure to make it

[3:46:19] Voice 4: work yeah but you bought this island presumably um knowing full well what the requirements would be

[3:46:27] Voice 4: and you have you have ignored them well

[3:46:30] Voice 12: i've been asking island trusts the entire time

[3:46:33] Voice 12: how how possibly i can access them and

[3:46:36] Voice 4: so you haven't had an answer and

[3:46:38] Voice 4: i guess because they

[3:46:39] Voice 4: don't have an answer for you their answer is probably well you can't it's probably what

[3:46:42] Voice 4: they would say yes

[3:46:43] Voice 12: but they haven't even told me that it's just i always bring it up and i

[3:46:50] Voice 12: and like for liability sake I need like Islands Trust has requested that I get surveys

[3:46:56] Voice 12: and engineers and everything and for liability I need a safe access up the property

[3:47:02] Voice 4: I'm sure you

[3:47:04] Voice 4: do from your point of view but you bought this it's called KVMTOR I mean and there was a and

[3:47:10] Voice 4: there were requirements that you needed to to fulfill in order to do what it is you want to do

[3:47:16] Voice 4: and you haven't met those requirements as far as I can make out, is that correct, Scott?

[3:47:22] Voice 4: I'm looking for a nod or a shake or something.

[3:47:26] Voice 4: Certainly the requirements for the work that's been done so far, there's been no permits issued.

[3:47:30] Voice 4: And that's the bit I don't understand. I mean, we do have permits, we do have bylaws,

[3:47:36] Voice 4: and they haven't been followed at all.

[3:47:41] Voice 12: I've been trying to get building permits the entire time, ever since I bought the property.

[3:47:46] Voice 3: and

[3:47:47] Voice 12: the island treats charts keeps requesting more they request multiple surveys um engineering

[3:47:54] Voice 12: reports so i'm working as quick as i can to get these building permits but it's out of my hand

[3:48:00] Voice 12: i i respond to everything as quickly as i possibly can

[3:48:03] Voice 4: and you understand we don't issue building

[3:48:05] Voice 4: permits we issue variances and developing permits that building permits come through the crt yes

[3:48:11] Voice 12: but i've been told i have to clear it to you guys yes

[3:48:14] Voice 4: that's there's certain things you have to

[3:48:16] Voice 4: in terms of setbacks that's why there's a variance in front of us trying to get us to agree to relax

[3:48:22] Voice 4: some of the requirements for your for your house for your septic can i just ask a question that

[3:48:29] Voice 4: just struck me really six bedrooms

[3:48:33] Voice 12: it's it's pretty standard for like all the houses around

[3:48:37] Voice 12: me as far as i can tell i don't

[3:48:40] Voice 4: have a rental

[3:48:41] Voice 12: suite or something i'm sorry

[3:48:42] Voice 12: there's no rental

[3:48:44] Voice 12: suite in there so that is that's the whole structure like a lot of houses have three or

[3:48:49] Voice 12: four

[3:48:50] Voice 4: bedrooms plus a rental suite i don't have that well to be fair there's nobody around you

[3:48:56] Voice 4: in the sense that nobody else is on your island no but there's people on the shoreline yeah all

[3:49:01] Voice 12: my neighbors have all got massive houses and they've all got smaller lots than i do it's just

[3:49:06] Voice 12: most of mine is like my 10 meters all the way around is bpa so i'm forced to build in a certain

[3:49:11] Voice 12: an area and i've designed a house around that constraints and the six bedrooms just works in

[3:49:17] Voice 12: that spot it's i i guess i should have called the bedrooms like a study or like it's no bigger house

[3:49:25] Voice 12: than any of the other houses around

[3:49:26] Voice 4: it's yeah meaning how many square feet it's under three

[3:49:32] Voice 4: thousand okay um do

[3:49:37] Voice 3: you have any

[3:49:37] Voice 4: other comments related to the stock report or any other questions

[3:49:40] Voice 4: to the trustees about it well my i'd

[3:49:44] Voice 11: be i my feeling is i think i'd want to refer to first

[3:49:48] Voice 11: nations um i'd be tempted to i'd be tempted to say i don't support the very much permit um but i think

[3:49:56] Voice 11: that means that opens the route to going for

[3:49:59] Voice 4: the variants but i would defer we go to first

[3:50:01] Voice 4: nations as the highest priority control formally formally i i and i would support that i'm sorry

[3:50:10] Voice 4: Sorry, I'm having real problems for reasons that you must be able to read in the lines about this whole application process, which seems to have been ignored.

[3:50:19] Voice 4: I appreciate it's taken you over a year and you're very frustrated by it.

[3:50:22] Voice 4: But that's the reality when you buy an island, when you're living so close to the waterfront.

[3:50:27] Voice 4: There are a host of people on this island who live with limited space because they're on a small lot on the water.

[3:50:33] Voice 4: And they have to go through all sorts of in order to get any kind of approval.

[3:50:38] Voice 4: book so i'm having serious issues with this um and so um i would concur with uh with my fellow

[3:50:48] Voice 4: trustee but you may not we may not approve this at all um i hate to i hate to uh lead you up a

[3:50:56] Voice 4: garden path i mean having that what is sticking in my face is the work that you've done on the

[3:51:03] Voice 4: shoreline so that you can have access to your island and i understand why you would want to do

[3:51:07] Voice 4: that but it's it's not allowed without a permit and and i have trouble with people doing things

[3:51:16] Voice 4: without permits and we're we're here to support our bylaws that's what our job is

[3:51:21] Voice 12: for this particular variance meeting i've had all the all the engineered drawings in for over

[3:51:29] Voice 12: three months it's taken that long

[3:51:31] Voice 4: to even hear this so that's three months of of waiting and

[3:51:37] Voice 4: and I can't sit on my hands for three months straight.

[3:51:44] Voice 4: Well, I'm sure there are reasons

[3:51:46] Voice 4: why there are those delays.

[3:51:47] Voice 4: There's always two sides to the story, for example.

[3:51:50] Voice 4: I mean, as a step, we can refer this to First Nations,

[3:51:55] Voice 4: but I can't make you any promises.

[3:52:04] Voice 7: Staff, I need advice.

[3:52:05] Voice 4: Well, I was gonna say advice

[3:52:06] Voice 4: on what the motion would be like to refer this.

[3:52:18] Voice 7: I don't, I'm sorry, I don't have it in

[3:52:20] Voice 4: front of me.

[3:52:22] Voice 4: i'm sorry as an alternative i would i'd quite like to put this off for another until the next lgc

[3:52:27] Voice 4: just so we have more time to start to discuss it and get a better understanding

[3:52:32] Voice 4: as before yeah go ahead um you know if you keep it i think we understand the intent of the lpc

[3:52:40] Voice 4: uh or at least individual questions at this moment and if you just like the general resolution

[3:52:44] Voice 4: that the application report to make first nations may have interest in the good places

[3:52:51] Voice 4: Sorry, say that, so refer to First Nations who may have interest, you said?

[3:52:55] Voice 4: Correct.

[3:52:56] Voice 4: And is that as far as you would go at this point?

[3:52:59] Voice 4: I'm trying to follow your-

[3:53:00] Voice 4: Yeah, yeah.

[3:53:01] Voice 4: And I'm also wondering, I'd like a report from the senior intergovernmental policy advisor

[3:53:07] Voice 4: if she was part of the,

[3:53:09] Voice 3: about that.

[3:53:10] Voice 4: I don't know if it was her or not.

[3:53:14] Voice 4: sorry if I may I did have conversations with with Lisa about this after this property in question

[3:53:22] prior to I think that's what a visit from joking about although I'm a staffer not

[3:53:27] part

[3:53:27] Voice 4: of that visit or was any report received right as a result of that visit so certainly

[3:53:34] Voice 4: had that conversation which is a sort of as this property has gone on but can certainly ask her

[3:53:41] Voice 4: or

[3:53:43] Voice 4: right well what I might

[3:53:45] Voice 4: suggest is in addition to referring it

[3:53:47] Voice 4: to the relevant First

[3:53:49] Voice 4: Nations that might have an interest

[3:53:51] Voice 4: it be referred to the senior

[3:53:53] Voice 4: governmental policy advisor for any

[3:53:55] Voice 4: information or advice as well

[3:53:57] Voice 4: because there's something

[3:53:59] Voice 4: coming out of that that we don't know about

[3:54:01] Voice 4: and if bylaw enforcement

[3:54:03] Voice 4: is there too

[3:54:05] Voice 4: and we don't know about that

[3:54:07] Voice 4: either

[3:54:07] Voice 4: um i i'm also looking at the report that i'm looking at from the aurora group looks like

[3:54:14] Voice 4: it was prepared in october of 2020 but it's not clear when it

[3:54:19] Voice 7: came to

[3:54:20] Voice 7: the trucks

[3:54:29] Voice 4: so that october 20th date is probably just the date of the form i see but the actual date that

[3:54:36] Voice 4: was

[3:54:37] Voice 5: developed we'll see i think on the second page it's the revision block there this is

[3:54:41] Voice 5: what the revision is and what the position on

[3:54:45] Voice 11: october 31 2020 no no on the

[3:54:50] Voice 4: second phase it says

[3:54:51] Voice 4: january 2nd 2022 issued for land use application so two months ago february march two and a half

[3:55:00] Voice 4: months ago just getting clear on what this is thank you um okay so we have a draft like that

[3:55:10] Voice 4: we sort of had some suggestive language um are you uh attempted sure

[3:55:16] Voice 4: sure

[3:55:17] Voice 11: uh i'm in the

[3:55:19] Voice 11: south spring island local trust committee request staff to refer uh ssdvp 2022.1

[3:55:29] Voice 11: to first nations with an interest but have an interest yeah relevant first nations with an

[3:55:36] Voice 11: interest and

[3:55:38] Voice 4: and what to request the intergovernmental senior senior

[3:55:43] Voice 4: intergovernmental

[3:55:44] Voice 4: uh advisor yeah

[3:55:52] Voice 7: for for

[3:56:01] Voice 7: any insights and

[3:56:03] Voice 4: advice insights and advice that's what i would say but

[3:56:06] Voice 4: they're not dropping all three of us let's

[3:56:10] Voice 4: see if we uh we did we

[3:56:12] Voice 3: get a motion what

[3:56:22] Voice 1: i have and then

[3:56:23] Voice 1: i think okay we can

[3:56:25] Voice 3: tweak it but

[3:56:26] Voice 1: the salt spring island local trust committee refer application ssdp

[3:56:30] Voice 1: 2022.1 to first nations who may have in and have interest and request the senior intergovernmental

[3:56:40] Voice 1: policy advisor for insight and advice right

[3:56:44] Voice 4: good so that you guys come from trustee popper

[3:56:48] Voice 4: it and i second it okay so do you want to discuss that further i

[3:56:53] Voice 11: just think this is uh critically

[3:56:55] Voice 11: important that before we even consider the next step is to turn and see

[3:57:05] Voice 7: what first nations have

[3:57:06] Voice 7: to say and i i have i think

[3:57:13] Voice 4: you need to talk to staff further i certainly build about what those

[3:57:15] Voice 4: next steps might look like but i have some serious concerns as

[3:57:21] Voice 12: far as it's a residential property

[3:57:25] Voice 12: that i i don't see how it differs from any other property other than that dpa area and that's

[3:57:31] Voice 4: yeah

[3:57:32] Voice 12: but like i said 99 of that dpa is untouched i needed some way of accessing it

[3:57:40] Voice 4: and stem so so he let me try and i'll i'm not speaking in an area of

[3:57:46] Voice 4: an error of i don't want

[3:57:49] Voice 4: to say area i want to say era of reconciliation and our attempts to try and remedy lots of errors

[3:57:56] Voice 4: that have been made over the years we uh we need to consult with with first nations on everything

[3:58:02] Voice 4: and that's particularly true for areas that are marine

[3:58:08] Voice 4: and are known to have been utilized

[3:58:12] Voice 4: and habitated by the First Nations from the West.

[3:58:16] Voice 4: And that's particularly true for marine and marine related.

[3:58:19] Voice 4: So that's partly what Trustee Grove was talking about.

[3:58:23] Voice 1: Everybody

[3:58:23] Voice 4: knows that everything along the foreshore,

[3:58:25] Voice 4: you happen to be completely foreshore,

[3:58:28] Voice 4: but everybody knows that everything,

[3:58:30] Voice 4: anything that's close to a foreshore or near a foreshore.

[3:58:34] Voice 4: I don't know, I shouldn't say that.

[3:58:35] Voice 4: It's now become the standard and important

[3:58:38] Voice 4: for our relationships with the First Nations

[3:58:41] Voice 4: and both legally and ethically and morally

[3:58:45] Voice 4: for us to engage with when we see it a potential issue.

[3:58:49] Voice 4: Sometimes we

[3:58:50] Voice 4: don't see it and we make mistakes,

[3:58:52] Voice 4: but when we see it, we shouldn't make the same mistake.

[3:58:55] Voice 12: And yeah, just to be clear,

[3:58:56] Voice 12: they have come out to the island.

[3:58:57] Voice 12: And

[3:58:58] Voice 4: I understand that we have no way of

[3:59:00] Voice 4: there's no record of that in our material here so we're not saying they didn't uh we don't know who

[3:59:07] Voice 4: came and what the circumstances were or what the reporting was so we're asking for that report

[3:59:12] Voice 4: okay

[3:59:12] Voice 12: well it was you guys who brought them so i don't know how i'm supposed to have that report

[3:59:17] Voice 4: well you did tell us you had a heritage cultural uh stud or sorry a architectural

[3:59:23] Voice 4: yes archaeological uh report

[3:59:25] Voice 12: yeah and i provided

[3:59:27] Voice 12: with that when i bought the property yeah and

[3:59:29] Voice 4: and should have been in your package so and if nobody asked you for it i guess it's

[3:59:33] Voice 12: been sent

[3:59:34] Voice 12: to islands trust it's part of the building permit package

[3:59:38] Voice 4: well building permit is different anyway

[3:59:41] Voice 4: i understand it's correct but the motion's on the table and uh it's been seconded and um

[3:59:47] Voice 4: and the point is we're being asked to make a decision we don't have that information

[3:59:51] Voice 4: for better or for worse rightly or wrongly we don't have it we need that information okay so

[3:59:58] Voice 12: So I've got to wait another two months.

[4:00:00] Voice 12: for however

[4:00:02] Voice 4: long it takes things take they do take a long time i understand that um but i've

[4:00:08] Voice 12: got a wind like it's it's hard building a house down here it's got a window of time and the

[4:00:13] Voice 12: weather is adequate i

[4:00:14] Voice 4: appreciate that but speaking just for myself there's nothing i can do about

[4:00:18] Voice 4: that and i have a responsibility and i try i have to fulfill that responsibility and it weighs

[4:00:22] Voice 4: heavily on me sometimes as i'm sure it does on my better trustees and my hands are tied and i've

[4:00:28] Voice 4: forgot you

[4:00:31] Voice 11: purchased the property on due diligence yeah it

[4:00:34] Voice 11: belongs to

[4:00:35] Voice 12: you must have been and uh

[4:00:37] Voice 11: about

[4:00:37] Voice 12: the issues the

[4:00:40] Voice 3: permits that are required

[4:00:43] Voice 3: potential interests of first nations yeah

[4:00:45] Voice 12: once they came out and inspect the island

[4:00:47] Voice 12: i was related i did exactly what they told me to do and

[4:00:52] Voice 4: so yeah i don't see what more i could

[4:00:55] Voice 4: have done i will call the

[4:01:00] Voice 4: bill so all in favor the motion has been read and seconded now i'll

[4:01:04] Voice 4: things is there any

[4:01:05] Voice 4: specific action you want to take on the recommendations and the staff reported

[4:01:09] Voice 4: no so we'll this matter will be deferred until uh the the referrals are back this is

[4:01:18] Voice 4: that effectively what it will occur it will come back on a future agenda thank you sir i'm sorry

[4:01:24] Voice 4: that it's uh a a that you're you obviously are frustrated but uh that's the decision and just

[4:01:33] Voice 4: to be clear this just on the dvp we haven't made

[4:01:37] Voice 4: a decision on the dvp and i think you heard and

[4:01:42] Voice 4: you also heard staff indicate that they weren't recommending to grant the dvp on the wall in any

[4:01:47] Voice 4: case the only one that they were recommending was that we considered was the one related to

[4:01:52] Voice 4: the subject and those have not been considered and no decisions been made on those because we

[4:01:58] Voice 4: want to see what the first nations the judges first nations have to say all right okay thank

[4:02:04] Voice 4: you very

[4:02:05] Voice 4: much for your time

[4:02:05] Voice 3: uh

[4:02:06] Voice 4: next item on the agenda uh is um uh 16.3 which is young and

[4:02:14] Voice 4: lundstrom is there anybody here for the applicant hi you're welcome to come up if you wish uh

[4:02:21] Voice 4: and uh there's a stop report starting at page 241 um and

[4:02:31] Voice 3: who's presenting that again you go ahead

[4:02:35] Voice 4: thank you this is uh uh second time the ltc has seen the non-profit application for 181 bettas

[4:02:42] Voice 4: garage that is required to allow the parking of vehicles associated with the bush and

[4:02:54] Voice 4: and we're on the cultural line you can see that it's where they're um the area under consideration

[4:03:02] Voice 4: um this was referred to the agriculture advisory planning commission the last time the ltc

[4:03:10] Voice 4: considered it it was uh discussed by the aapc and they recommended that it be supported by the ltc

[4:03:19] Voice 4: um that promotion is within staff report and when it comes down to evaluating non-farm use

[4:03:26] Voice 4: applications staff utilize the official community plan there's a table in the staff report detailing

[4:03:34] Voice 4: the staff evaluation of the applicable policies and based on that evaluation staff don't find

[4:03:40] Voice 4: that there's policy support to support this application for non-farm use and so for that

[4:03:47] Voice 4: reason are recommending that the local trust community not support not decline before this

[4:03:54] Voice 4: application to the alc with support um for the reason that it's not supported by the lines by law

[4:04:00] Voice 4: the official community plan for the agricultural land use regulation i'm happy to get into more

[4:04:06] Voice 4: detail about that policy if you'd like um or answer any other questions so yes i'd like to

[4:04:16] Voice 4: cut and chased by frankly i think the aapc has recommended made a recommendation um that the

[4:04:22] Voice 4: application is forwarded to the alc and and i am in support of that i think the aapc's um

[4:04:29] Voice 4: reasoning is clear um and um i support well

[4:04:38] Voice 11: i agree i think i think your your business also

[4:04:42] Voice 11: also provides indirect service to other farmers on this island we

[4:04:46] Voice 11: um we are losing model repair

[4:04:49] Voice 11: shops on this island and to maintain our repair shops on this island we can't do

[4:04:54] Voice 3: farming or any

[4:04:55] Voice 11: other business on this island without it so um I I feel comfortable that uh you can meet that test

[4:05:02] Voice 11: and support that this people and

[4:05:05] Voice 4: I agree so you're comfortable if I make that motion Patrick I move

[4:05:08] Voice 4: that the sslgc approved the application recommended for the word for the resolution

[4:05:14] Voice 4: no it's sorry start with the next dot i'm so sorry start with what you take the rate below

[4:05:23] Voice 4: i moved the social trust committee request staff support application ssanr 2021.5 to the agricultural

[4:05:29] Voice 4: land commission with support for the following reasons a the application is supported by the

[4:05:33] Voice 4: agricultural advisory planning commission b the applicant has maintained the soil on site for

[4:05:37] Voice 4: future site restoration if required c portions of the impacted area can still be utilized for

[4:05:44] Voice 4: farming purposes d the applicant has demonstrated the need for expansion of the non-farm

[4:05:48] Voice 4: into the agricultural land and did you want to make that that as a v or the need for this service

[4:05:59] Voice 3: okay

[4:06:00] Voice 4: so there's been a motion made so just so you know we're about to support

[4:06:06] Voice 4: thank you as opposed to the stop report so that's why we didn't turn to you for your

[4:06:13] Voice 4: for any input you wanted to make so we've got the invitation it's been a motion made

[4:06:17] Voice 4: totally going to rely on youtube to understand because i don't know i have no idea so

[4:06:22] Voice 4: the question is

[4:06:22] Voice 4: that you're okay you should be fine um you're getting what anyway so go ahead

[4:06:29] Voice 4: so is there any further comments or discussion related on this and i'll call the vote all in

[4:06:33] Voice 4: favor thank you thank you thank you next

[4:06:36] Voice 7: one

[4:06:38] Voice 4: is uh uh not this similar application is there

[4:06:42] Voice 4: somebody here from mr fraser mysteries or yes hi um do you wish to come and

[4:06:48] Voice 4: you don't have to you can stay over there if you wish to

[4:06:51] Voice 4: uh

[4:06:52] Voice 3: so

[4:06:56] Voice 4: that's uh there's also a staff report on this which recommends

[4:06:59] Voice 4: comments concurrence so or whatever the right word is so that starts at page um yeah 250 of

[4:07:07] Voice 4: the application so is it again go ahead thank you chair um yes you're right a very similar

[4:07:15] Voice 4: application um for non-farm use in the alr in support of repair for the automotive repair

[4:07:22] Voice 4: facility itself um similar the agricultural advisory planning commission incident item and

[4:07:28] recommended

[4:07:29] Voice 4: that the ltc support it uh unlike the previous application staff found that there

[4:07:34] Voice 4: is policy support for this use in this location and so are recommending okay anybody want to make

[4:07:43] Voice 4: a motion or have any questions i'm

[4:07:45] Voice 11: i i have no further questions thank you for being here today

[4:07:48] Voice 11: and i'm pleased to make the motion i move that the salt spring island local trust committee requests

[4:07:53] Voice 11: staff to forward application that says alr 2021.6 to the agricultural

[4:07:58] Voice 11: land commission with support

[4:08:00] Voice 11: for the following reasons the automobile use is consistent with social and official community

[4:08:04] Voice 11: plan policies for future development and uses of the area the applicant has provided an

[4:08:09] Voice 11: hydrologist report indicating that non-farm use is occurring on an area of poor soil quality

[4:08:15] Voice 11: and the application is supported by their culture advisory plan and

[4:08:19] Voice 4: i second that any discussion

[4:08:22] Voice 4: all the vote thanks very much thank you very much again did you want to i'm sorry i didn't invite

[4:08:27] Voice 4: to you that's

[4:08:28] Voice 1: okay i would like to actually make one comment is um first this has been a long long

[4:08:34] Voice 1: call on this and we want to come into compliance but uh what i wanted to say towards it is is i

[4:08:41] Voice 1: really feel like this is a band-aid move a what a

[4:08:44] Voice 1: band-aid it's not resolving the problem it's not

[4:08:50] Voice 1: sectioning off something out of the alr in order to have commercial industrial land in that area

[4:08:57] Voice 1: and it's something that the trust needs to start looking at because we have a problem

[4:09:02] Voice 1: we have a severe shortage and the shop's closing as you know i'm sure i'm sorry i'm sure you all

[4:09:10] Voice 1: you

[4:09:11] Voice 3: know want to

[4:09:11] Voice 1: get your cars repaired here um you know several people here i think are customers

[4:09:16] Voice 1: from the past um but yeah i mean we have to look at it as a community there's a there's a problem

[4:09:24] Voice 1: problems and having a non-farm use on four and a half acres instead of saying let's take

[4:09:33] Voice 1: whatever it is half an acre i think we had distinguished a certain um square area and

[4:09:40] Voice 1: saying okay let's take that out because it's on the wrangle road side am i am i making sense

[4:09:47] Voice 7: yeah you are okay

[4:09:49] Voice 1: and uh actually taking that out because if we retire if we sell we move

[4:09:55] Voice 3: whatever

[4:09:56] Voice 1: happens in life it's still property that's in alr regardless

[4:10:02] Voice 1: of zoning it's still

[4:10:04] Voice 1: attached to four and a half acres and you still don't have any commercial industrial lands in

[4:10:11] Voice 1: that area that is essentially mostly a lot and around the vicinity of ganges i think i

[4:10:19] Voice 1: probably have a massive map at home it's color coded to show around ganges

[4:10:27] Voice 4: yes um two things first of all the a and r hangs on to their damn place

[4:10:33] Voice 3: you know

[4:10:35] Voice 4: what and by the

[4:10:36] Voice 4: way and the local trust committee in my first term we put a lot of time and effort into industrial

[4:10:41] Voice 4: from that and there are indeed three significant sections of the island where um industry is is

[4:10:47] Voice 4: can be considered um and a lot of the hurdles have already been gone through so but um trying

[4:10:54] Voice 4: to take the land out of the uh alr is next to impossible i'd say yeah well but

[4:11:02] Voice 4: we do have a

[4:11:03] Voice 4: lot of land that's available

[4:11:03] Voice 3: okay thanks thanks

[4:11:08] Voice 11: go ahead i

[4:11:09] Voice 11: agree with you we've got we've got the

[4:11:12] Voice 11: angie's building planning happening i'm hoping more policy will come about that and i know my

[4:11:18] Voice 11: last visit with the economic development commission they agreed too that we need to be

[4:11:23] Voice 11: far more proactive at preserving preserving industrial commercial land for this island

[4:11:28] Voice 11: um because it is we are losing it's a you know important uh services that we need to protect

[4:11:36] Voice 11: thanks

[4:11:39] Voice 3: very much thank you like part i can go

[4:11:46] Voice 4: yes you can go with your motion in your pocket um they might need a break yes

[4:11:53] Voice 3: i think so yeah yes

[4:11:54] Voice 4: yeah okay we'll just take uh five minutes and uh we'll come back and carry on with the next one

[4:12:00] Voice 4: which is the gal line

[4:12:09] well that's

[4:12:57] Voice 7: your business

[4:19:56] Voice 4: I'm sorry.

[4:20:00] Voice 4: Oh, all right.

[4:20:03] Voice 7: This is fun.

[4:20:32] Voice 4: thanks people yeah we're

[4:20:58] Voice 7: just waiting for some stop work to get done

[4:21:00] Voice 7: thank you

[4:21:39] Voice 3: welcome back everyone

[4:21:40] Voice 4: it's uh it's we're halfway through we're approximately

[4:21:43] Voice 4: of the applications january 16.5 and this is actually the rezoning we had a public hearing

[4:21:49] Voice 4: up on at 9 30 this morning uh met calpine and um i think it's the art

[4:22:00] Voice 4: Thank you, Mr. Chair, as you said, we had a good morning and there were no comments at

[4:22:06] Voice 4: that time.

[4:22:08] Voice 4: The purpose of the LTC here is to consider giving third reading to the land use by-law,

[4:22:14] Voice 4: which would make lawful an oversized boathouse and to establish a 50-metre setback in the

[4:22:19] Voice 4: natural boundary of the city.

[4:22:21] Voice 4: stop recommend that you give that third reading and forward it to the executive committee or

[4:22:30] Voice 4: trustees how do you proceed motions wish to make or questions no

[4:22:35] Voice 11: questions i'm happy to proceed

[4:22:36] Voice 11: with motions i move that the salt spring island local press committee bylaw number 525 cited the

[4:22:41] Voice 11: salt spring island land use bylaw number 355 1999

[4:22:45] Voice 3: amendment number 2 2021

[4:22:47] Voice 11: be read a third time

[4:22:50] Voice 4: i second that okay any discussion all in favor that passes you now

[4:22:55] Voice 4: social united local trust

[4:22:56] Voice 4: committee bylaw number five two five cited the source kind of land use bylaw number three five

[4:23:00] Voice 4: five nineteen ninety nine amendment number two twenty twenty one be forwarded to the secretary

[4:23:05] Voice 4: of the islands trust for approval by the executive committee that's seconded

[4:23:10] Voice 3: that's

[4:23:11] Voice 4: okay any any

[4:23:12] Voice 4: discussion if not i'll call the vote all in favor thank you very much uh the next

[4:23:19] Voice 4: item is the

[4:23:20] Voice 4: 16.6 which is the the i'll just short form it by saying uh secret island is anybody here on behalf

[4:23:27] Voice 4: of the applicant so

[4:23:38] Voice 7: what we'll do is we'll

[4:23:39] Voice 4: um uh we'll get a staff report we'll come to you in a

[4:23:43] Voice 4: minute sir is mr mccarroll yes yes we'll come to you in a moment uh so you can take a seat if you

[4:23:47] Voice 4: want for the moment and we'll um we'll have a staff report related to this and any technical

[4:23:54] Voice 4: or questions that we might have for staff related to your uh the asset application and then i'll

[4:23:59] Voice 4: come through uh go ahead i'm going to keep this brief um one because i'm presenting report on

[4:24:06] Voice 4: behalf of the planner um and but two because you've heard considerable feedback the purpose

[4:24:11] Voice 4: of this application is to uh marry the uh the crd bylaw number 103 which the ltc is in charge of

[4:24:20] Voice 4: to permit the siting of a proposed walkway structure to the natural boundary of the sea

[4:24:25] Voice 4: permit uh setback from the projection of interior side lot line from 30 to zero meters and to uh

[4:24:34] Voice 4: substantially change the the sizing of a float um in order to uh permit uh a dock being used

[4:24:41] Voice 4: as a breakwater for a large vessel island in your correspondence you've received uh at least 12

[4:24:50] Voice 4: all pieces of correspondence, all in opposition.

[4:24:53] Voice 4: And of course you heard today from several people.

[4:24:57] Voice 4: Staff's recommendation.

[4:24:59] Voice 4: Oh, and there's some images.

[4:25:03] Voice 4: Staff's recommendation is to request

[4:25:06] Voice 4: use of a restrictive use covenant

[4:25:08] Voice 4: for the joint use of the proposed bond

[4:25:09] Voice 4: because it would be in front of two lots

[4:25:13] Voice 4: and that the LDC endorsed staff

[4:25:16] Voice 4: to enter into cost recovery agreements

[4:25:18] Voice 4: in order to get some legal feedback on that.

[4:25:23] Voice 4: My question is, I wrote that there was no recommendation

[4:25:26] Voice 4: related to the actual variances themselves,

[4:25:29] Voice 4: just about the covenant.

[4:25:31] Voice 4: Correct.

[4:25:32] Voice 4: That was in order for staff to continue

[4:25:34] Voice 4: to process the application and for it for us

[4:25:37] Voice 4: to get a restricted couple of that off

[4:25:41] Voice 10: and

[4:25:41] Voice 4: the permissions at the same time.

[4:25:45] Voice 4: Questions for staff or should we turn to the office?

[4:25:50] Voice 3: okay

[4:25:51] Voice 4: sir mr carroll you're welcome to comment on the staff report and anything else

[4:25:55] Voice 4: thanks for the staff report thanks excellent um give a little idea of the

[4:26:02] Voice 12: rationale for the

[4:26:04] Voice 12: installation under bylaw 103 the property which is two properties each one is entitled to a

[4:26:12] Voice 12: a 40 foot by 12 foot

[4:26:14] Voice 4: float

[4:26:15] Voice 5: and

[4:26:17] Voice 4: a floating breakwater.

[4:26:19] Voice 4: Our idea was to incorporate the float sizes together,

[4:26:23] Voice 4: create the L, it's a massive concrete float.

[4:26:27] Voice 4: So it will serve as a breakwater.

[4:26:29] Voice 4: And I realized Presbyterian Grove

[4:26:31] Voice 4: didn't think it's a great place for a dock,

[4:26:33] Voice 4: but our engineers disagreed, they figured it's okay spot.

[4:26:37] Voice 4: The L on the float, it's to the weather end.

[4:26:42] Voice 4: and it serves as a wave attenuator to keep everything else together.

[4:26:48] Voice 5: We have the choice to either do two floats, two docks, two breakwaters or incorporate it the way

[4:26:56] Voice 5: we're proposing to do it. There was some discussion in the letters about pilings and how the pilings

[4:27:09] Voice 5: might adversely affect a well in the area. The pilings that we use are 10 and 3 quarter inch

[4:27:15] Voice 5: steel pilings. They are either vibrated or rotary drilled into the seabed. They have a very low sonic

[4:27:25] Voice 5: impulse

[4:27:26] Voice 4: value to them as far as DFO is concerned. We don't need bubble curtains or any of those

[4:27:32] Voice 4: noise attenuating devices to establish these piles. And to the best of our knowledge, the

[4:27:39] Voice 4: piles will penetrate in an area where there's mud, typically four and a half meters into the seabed

[4:27:45] Voice 4: And in this location, it's all solid

[4:27:48] Voice 5: rock, so it'd be two and a half meter filled sockets.

[4:27:52] Voice 5: It's highly unlikely that that would, two and a half meters deep in seabed rock, is

[4:27:57] Voice 5: going to affect the well.

[4:27:59] Voice 4: One of the other arguments in the letters was about the rockfish conservation area.

[4:28:05] Voice 4: And I have a map that I'll read with the secretary that shows that the entire area is rockfish

[4:28:11] Voice 4: conservation area.

[4:28:12] Voice 4: area. I

[4:28:14] Voice 5: also have a

[4:28:14] Voice 4: letter from Hamara

[4:28:16] Voice 10: Environmental Chemical,

[4:28:18] Voice 4: one of the largest environmental

[4:28:20] Voice 5: companies in Canada, and they did a study, a rockfish study for me on another project,

[4:28:27] Voice 5: and I've applied what's been submitted to that. The only regulations in the rockfish

[4:28:34] Voice 5: areas are that it's to curtail commercial and recreational fishing so in the case of

[4:28:43] Voice 5: this earlier application that we did at another spot with a very large dock everyone's always

[4:28:50] Voice 5: concerned about there being shading and the biologist was concerned that someone would

[4:28:55] Voice 5: fish off the dock because the shading was in fact the habitat of the rockfish so to further that

[4:29:06] Voice 5: Mr. Penner has four children

[4:29:09] Voice 10: which include two identical twins that were diagnosed with

[4:29:11] Voice 10: profound mental retardation and mobility issues which qualified as physically and mentally

[4:29:18] Voice 10: handicapped and are now special

[4:29:22] Voice 5: needs adults turning 19 in August. Children are now adults

[4:29:27] Voice 5: with severe mobility issues. They require caregivers and it would be a dangerous hardship

[4:29:33] Voice 5: ship to try and load these people into a small dinghy to take them ashore they

[4:29:41] Voice 10: love to come

[4:29:41] Voice 10: and seek around but as you can imagine as now adults it's physically challenging for

[4:29:47] Voice 10: the caregivers to help them get off and on the boat or dock

[4:29:50] Voice 10: this larger dock will also ensure the safety of the caregiver having a larger dock is necessary

[4:30:00] Voice 5: therefore grown adults with physical

[4:30:01] Voice 5: handicaps and a second person is

[4:30:04] Voice 7: needed to get them on and off

[4:30:06] Voice 7: the boat back to you you have any questions i have no questions well i i

[4:30:16] Voice 3: don't have questions

[4:30:18] Voice 11: i i absolutely don't doubt that you can engineer a dog that would withstand the weather um my

[4:30:26] Voice 11: concern more is the community of secret island we went and met we had a meeting held a meeting

[4:30:31] Voice 11: on pre-vote pre-covid seems like eight years ago um um and you know it was i was actually

[4:30:42] Voice 11: it was a enjoyable experience to watch the uh the various owners from uh secret island come in with

[4:30:51] Voice 11: their boats and stack up on a tiny little dock and they did it it just they did it miraculously

[4:30:58] Voice 11: walked across it was a community it was friendly um and uh and i was you know to me it's vitally

[4:31:08] Voice 11: important on an island of this size that they have to be a community they have to get along

[4:31:13] Voice 11: and work together and i know you know change will happen but i think this is a big change

[4:31:20] Voice 11: um and it's a big change not only to the people that live on the island but people who

[4:31:25] Voice 11: boat past that area and uh on a regular basis and that's my big concern is that

[4:31:35] Voice 11: it's the way the island

[4:31:39] Voice 11: has worked and um and

[4:31:43] Voice 4: i and i just i have a real challenge with that

[4:31:47] Voice 4: i might add the uh uh sort of lending to the dysfunction of the

[4:31:54] Voice 12: island as far as

[4:31:57] Voice 12: The public dock that you're aware of and people use all the time is

[4:32:03] Voice 4: an unpaniered dock, has

[4:32:06] Voice 4: no Crown land permission to be there.

[4:32:08] Voice 4: The upland end of that dock

[4:32:10] Voice 5: lands in a provincial park.

[4:32:12] Voice 5: I'm not sure of the status of that.

[4:32:15] Voice 5: Out of the docks on the island, there are nine active permissions, two

[4:32:21] Voice 7: leases,

[4:32:22] Voice 5: and six

[4:32:24] Voice 5: docks in trespass.

[4:32:26] Voice 5: uh one of these and it's been recently just disallowed and it's a fairly large stock

[4:32:32] Voice 5: it typically has a very large stroke on it i won't point anything as far as who's that might be but

[4:32:39] Voice 5: just for your consideration the six stocks and trespasses never had first nations consultation

[4:32:48] Voice 5: um i would imagine because a lot of these are

[4:32:51] Voice 4: older ten years first nations consultation wasn't

[4:32:53] Voice 4: really required it was a lot easier to get so

[4:32:59] Voice 5: my clients often to do something that's right

[4:33:04] Voice 5: that's uh by the rules to apply all the proper apologies and biology and archaeology and all

[4:33:12] Voice 5: these

[4:33:13] Voice 4: folks and include those hurdles

[4:33:14] Voice 4: have submitted a habitat

[4:33:17] Voice 10: assessment from weaver tech

[4:33:20] Voice 5: with our application that clearly states that establishing a doctor will cause no harm

[4:33:29] Voice 7: Thank you.

[4:33:33] Voice 4: So, Chair, if I may, I'm sorry to say I have no sympathy for this application,

[4:33:39] Voice 4: merely because of the community input as my fellow trustee has just referred to,

[4:33:43] Voice 4: but I can't in all conscience support this,

[4:33:47] Voice 4: bearing in mind what we have heard and what I know about the island.

[4:33:51] Voice 4: So I'm going to move that Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[4:33:53] Voice 4: deny issuance of development variance permit of SSDB 2021.21.

[4:33:59] Voice 4: I don't think I need to give any reasons,

[4:34:01] Voice 4: but if we need a reason for um um for lack of for lack of community support

[4:34:09] Voice 3: we

[4:34:13] Voice 4: need a reason

[4:34:14] Voice 4: we need a reason yeah for lack of community support and because of and i've heard trustee

[4:34:20] Voice 4: patrick to say it because of the excessive size yes thank you let's just get the motion

[4:34:27] Voice 4: so we have it recorded

[4:34:28] Voice 7: properly thanks so

[4:34:34] Voice 7: you're putting it to the apc for further information

[4:34:49] Voice 1: uh that the sultan and local community deny issuance of development during its permit ssdvp

[4:34:54] Voice 1: 2021.21 for the following reasons due to lack of community support and the excessive size of

[4:35:03] Voice 1: the proposed structure well

[4:35:07] Voice 3: it's a structure

[4:35:07] Voice 4: the whole thing we heard about the fact that it was

[4:35:12] Voice 7: well

[4:35:12] Voice 4: it was longer it's bigger uh we had a long number uh so that's been moved by

[4:35:22] Voice 4: trustee patrick seconded by trustee grove or trustee grove and seconded by trustee patrick um

[4:35:30] Voice 4: you know i i am struck by we have a community one of one of the people says if you want to

[4:35:38] Voice 4: get something done in the community get your neighbors supported and it's just this is the

[4:35:43] Voice 4: absolute opposite in this in a small community to just change it radically so i'll be voting

[4:35:48] Voice 4: in favor of this motion that's good we'll vote all in favor thank you that's good thank you for

[4:35:55] Voice 4: your presentation sir um thank you for attending and uh maybe someday i'll get to seek it out

[4:36:05] Voice 4: very nice because it's no longer a secret uh the next one is uh thank you we're gonna move on uh

[4:36:14] Voice 4: gbp 2022 number 16.7 in the agenda of the bang at piers island is there anybody here on behalf of

[4:36:23] Voice 4: the applicant no okay so uh we have a report starting a page starting at page 320 and who's

[4:36:38] Voice 4: presented that yes go ahead uh sir mac i always want to say kojima

[4:36:47] Voice 4: the uh you should start with the k like you've got power kojima we could change your name to kerma

[4:36:58] Voice 4: okay thank you mr chair again i'll keep my presentations brief the purpose of this

[4:37:03] Voice 4: application is to consider uh bearing the pierce island nine news bylaw to permit the

[4:37:09] Voice 4: siding of a rock between wall structure to the natural boundary of the sea it's like most rock

[4:37:15] Voice 4: retaining walls this is a soft erosion on the shore substantial in the area as seen in the

[4:37:21] Voice 4: staff report the ltc has received five pieces of uh correspondence thus far in support of the

[4:37:29] Voice 4: application all from people on the island uh the rock wall it would be located on the subject

[4:37:36] Voice 4: of property and not in the foreshore and staff's recommendation is that the ltc requests the

[4:37:43] Voice 4: applicant to submit to the island's justice shoreline stabilization report completed

[4:37:48] Voice 4: by the appropriate professional identifying the feasibility of soft short design

[4:37:54] Voice 4: on and i think that shows you that here to be sure as much as possible if you avoid

[4:38:09] Voice 7: questions from uh trustees i

[4:38:20] Voice 4: guess one of my questions is do we know if any of the actual

[4:38:23] Voice 4: letters of support were from neighboring properties because my experience with these

[4:38:27] Voice 4: kinds of things is often the neighbors would say well it is going to deflect onto my neighbor and

[4:38:33] Voice 4: i don't want it but we've got four layers of support and then the letter from mr the applicant

[4:38:39] Voice 4: um hard to see but do we know if any of the and maybe we don't know if any of the letters

[4:38:47] Voice 4: of court are actual direct inside the applicant i don't have an

[4:38:52] Voice 4: answer at this exact moment but

[4:38:54] Voice 4: i could spend a few minutes to figure that out only if

[4:38:57] Voice 4: it's relevant to the trust it may not be

[4:39:01] Voice 4: i'm not sure what the prestige is i

[4:39:05] Voice 11: think it's a reasonable request i'd like to to have them look

[4:39:09] Voice 11: to see what they could do with the apply green shorts on this property you can get a professional

[4:39:16] Voice 11: report please that they're doing this in the right order that they're not just working with a

[4:39:22] Voice 3: the

[4:39:23] Voice 11: wall

[4:39:24] Voice 3: already built there just unusual

[4:39:33] Voice 3: Okay,

[4:39:34] Voice 11: geologically, it's complex. So right on top of a hard rock. It's a complex spot.

[4:39:40] Voice 4: So what are you suggesting?

[4:39:42] Voice 4: Go

[4:39:43] Voice 11: with the motion.

[4:39:45] Voice 4: I

[4:39:46] Voice 11: move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request that the applicant submit

[4:39:50] Voice 11: to the Islands Trust a shoreline stabilization report completed by a geotechnical engineer,

[4:39:57] Voice 11: landscape architect, coastal geologist, or biologist identifying the feasibility of

[4:40:03] Voice 11: soft shore design for the subject property.

[4:40:08] Voice 4: And I will second that and I'd like to talk about it.

[4:40:10] Voice 4: uh

[4:40:11] Voice 11: yeah you're

[4:40:14] Voice 4: done well

[4:40:15] Voice 11: i yeah i just as i was reading it or biology i'm looking at an injury

[4:40:19] Voice 11: this is you know hard rock with soil a biologist will be one of the reports but they're not going

[4:40:25] Voice 4: to be able to do the engineering

[4:40:26] Voice 4: so you're you're worried about the ore yeah that's it

[4:40:35] Voice 11: that if it's a report just from a biologist will that deal with the complexity of the soil on top

[4:40:43] Voice 11: before yeah

[4:40:43] Voice 4: well we have a motion and i think it would second it um trustee grove sorry comments

[4:40:50] Voice 4: now yeah so my only concern and i think it's the right decision emotionally here but i hate

[4:40:57] Voice 4: stringing people along putting hurdles upon hurdles on hurdles so if we i mean if we believe

[4:41:06] Voice 4: that from what we're seeing that down the road this is a no-go we should at least indicate that

[4:41:14] Voice 4: but i'm i'm uh i'm happy with this motion for

[4:41:21] Voice 11: me i guess the only issue here would be

[4:41:23] Voice 11: archaeologically i mean i think i think they've got a technical problem the geology on this

[4:41:30] Voice 11: property is quite this isn't like just soil going down where it's on the right this is hard

[4:41:35] Voice 11: hard rock with soil on top. This is a structural difference. The only thing for me that would

[4:41:44] Voice 11: be a no-go is if there was archaeological concern that the First Nations would be okay

[4:41:50] Voice 11: with it eroding away.

[4:41:56] Voice 4: Sorry, RPM.

[4:41:58] Voice 4: I'm sorry. Clearly the planner is watching your live stream and wanted to inform you

[4:42:03] Voice 4: that the uh one direct neighbor did um oh okay

[4:42:09] Voice 7: that's good

[4:42:11] Voice 4: information for me to know supported

[4:42:13] Voice 4: the application yes and it sounds like there's a bunch of probably a series of these yeah yes

[4:42:18] Voice 10: i

[4:42:19] Voice 4: haven't been there and the erosion pictures it's pretty severe yeah yeah um anyway there's

[4:42:27] Voice 4: a motion thank you for that thank you for uh letting me know excuse me this is the panel

[4:42:36] Voice 4: So did she have any comments as to my last comment with regard to, is this going to be

[4:42:42] Voice 4: it in terms of our requests or are there going to be other requests at all?

[4:42:48] Voice 4: Oh, I think I could answer that, you

[4:42:50] Voice 2: know, it

[4:42:51] Voice 4: is not our practice to recommend something

[4:42:55] Voice 4: that come back or do something else, however, this is a feasibility study, it's not an implementation

[4:43:12] Voice 10: So

[4:43:19] Voice 4: the applicant is fully aware of what may or may not come down the road in terms of

[4:43:25] Voice 4: next steps.

[4:43:26] Voice 4: No surprises to the outcome.

[4:43:28] Voice 4: Good.

[4:43:30] Voice 4: And they would have seen this report.

[4:43:32] Voice 4: Thank you so much.

[4:43:34] Voice 4: We made a motion and it's seconded.

[4:43:36] Voice 4: Yeah.

[4:43:36] Voice 4: So anything further?

[4:43:37] Voice 4: Okay.

[4:43:38] Voice 4: Okay. So we'll call the vote on that. Okay. So that passes for now. Thank you. Thanks very much.

[4:43:45] Voice 4: Next, we have 777 Vesuvius Bay Road, DBP 2022.4. Is there anybody here on behalf of the applicant?

[4:43:55] Voice 4: Yes, sir.

[4:43:56] Voice 4: I'm sorry, what your name is? I saw you earlier. And who's presenting this?

[4:44:04] Voice 4: this patience, go ahead.

[4:44:06] Voice 4: Chair, again, I'll keep it brief.

[4:44:09] Voice 4: This is for a single lot development

[4:44:11] Voice 4: in the Vesuvius Bay area.

[4:44:12] Voice 4: The purpose is to vary the land use by-law

[4:44:16] Voice 4: to permit the siting of a sewage disposal field

[4:44:19] Voice 4: near to the natural boundary of the sea

[4:44:21] Voice 4: and permit the siting of two rock retaining walls

[4:44:24] Voice 4: in what is a narrow residential lot.

[4:44:28] Voice 4: You have received one huge correspondence

[4:44:31] Voice 4: in all positions slash conditional approval

[4:44:34] Voice 4: approval of the DPP.

[4:44:38] Voice 4: Above you here, you have an image of exactly what's being proposed.

[4:44:43] Voice 4: And staff's recommendation is to approve issuance of the DPP

[4:44:47] Voice 4: as there are no real OCP policies.

[4:44:54] Voice 4: And just so I'm clear, my

[4:44:57] Voice 4: recommendation is the letter said if it was a type 3 system

[4:45:01] Voice 4: as opposed to a type 2 system, they would be okay with it.

[4:45:04] Voice 4: concerned about the affluent the quality of the affluent coming out of it but am i reading am i

[4:45:10] Voice 4: remembering correctly from that that's absolutely the uh the septic report was uh unusual it said

[4:45:16] Voice 4: it is a type 2 system that couldn't be a type 3 system it was kind of interesting how i've never

[4:45:22] Voice 4: read a report like that um and i believe the corresponding was saying you need to have a

[4:45:26] Voice 4: sorry the course was saying do a type 3 not a maybe right right and then they were they

[4:45:34] Voice 4: or support would be their opposition would be that's what i would recall thanks trustees

[4:45:38] Voice 4: question for the climate yes

[4:45:40] Voice 11: i want to understand that this is a house under construction so clearly

[4:45:44] Voice 11: it has a building permit clearly it must have had an approved septic design prior so there's

[4:45:50] Voice 11: been a change what was approved that i don't really fully understand where the septic system

[4:45:56] Voice 11: system was and uh so

[4:45:59] Voice 5: behind the house right next to

[4:46:01] Voice 11: which is defined it's

[4:46:03] Voice 5: quite hard to tell

[4:46:04] Voice 5: the

[4:46:05] Voice 3: soil

[4:46:15] Voice 5: here was very poor it was good for disposal um so we were forced to do a very

[4:46:25] Voice 5: small dispersal field which

[4:46:27] Voice 13: happens to be right next to the road river

[4:46:29] Voice 13: earth um and in general when we do dispersal fields we want to make them long and skinny

[4:46:37] Voice 13: however in that case that was the available area as we could use so that was refining

[4:46:43] Voice 13: and

[4:46:44] Voice 5: then

[4:46:45] Voice 13: after um mostly after the floods of last year we evaluated a few of our sites to see

[4:46:54] Voice 13: for what a large amount of surface drainage can do and for us to be able to do that we already

[4:47:01] Voice 13: had an interceptor right next to the road but it also placed it really close to the house and

[4:47:07] Voice 13: we're supposed to keep these virtual fields seven and a half meters away from perimeter

[4:47:12] Voice 13: so for us to mitigate that at the time we said well that perimeter drain is also going to have

[4:47:19] Voice 13: to go to ground disposal beneath us so we

[4:47:25] Voice 5: weren't happy with that you know it's it's all fine it's

[4:47:28] Voice 5: above board it's it's more robust if we can make it long and skinny which if we put it down below

[4:47:35] Voice 5: it's still still outside the 15 meter setback from the ocean that the ministry of health

[4:47:44] Voice 5: standard practice manual provides then we think that it's a more

[4:47:47] Voice 7: robust system

[4:47:57] Voice 7: yeah so where is the perimeter brain water going

[4:48:06] Voice 13: But

[4:48:06] Voice 4: for the initial

[4:48:08] Voice 13: filing, we have

[4:48:08] Voice 4: perimeter drain all around the house, right?

[4:48:14] Voice 4: The dispersal is

[4:48:16] Voice 13: there, but

[4:48:23] Voice 11: this is the rainwater, the wind water, essentially

[4:48:27] Voice 13: the shallow groundwater

[4:48:28] Voice 13: that's going to be coming against the foundation, you have a, there's always a perimeter drain,

[4:48:32] Voice 13: right correct um

[4:48:33] Voice 13: where's

[4:48:34] Voice 10: the move trains go trains

[4:48:37] Voice 13: typically are directed to be like two i would

[4:48:39] Voice 13: imagine in this area they would follow the same idea that all the roof drains would find some

[4:48:45] half or

[4:48:46] Voice 7: go right towards the ocean is one

[4:48:53] Voice 11: of your arguments about moving it from here was was

[4:49:11] Voice 4: So what works there is the fact that the whole house now is acting like an interceptor drain.

[4:49:18] Voice 5: So the drains from the perimeter drain and the roof drains, they're going to be going

[4:49:25] Voice 5: to be it's going to be uh fished down probably so that more or less removes the risk of all the

[4:49:38] Voice 5: shallow ground water and maybe exchange the end grain figure um

[4:49:46] Voice 3: is is this is

[4:49:49] Voice 11: this a house is this

[4:49:51] Voice 11: a residential house yes

[4:49:52] Voice 7: bedrooms

[4:49:54] Voice 11: house there's no commercial plans in this house whatsoever

[4:50:07] Voice 11: is this retaining wall down below creating more flat space outside the

[4:50:13] Voice 4: retaining wall and um

[4:50:18] Voice 4: we're seeking approval to do

[4:50:20] Voice 4: the retaining wall

[4:50:21] Voice 13: but the way that the grade is right now

[4:50:23] Voice 13: neither might be required honestly but if you're going to do it

[4:50:27] Voice 5: you want to show it on the plans

[4:50:28] um

[4:50:29] Voice 13: what it does is this is uh the natural bank is here right now as it is the toboggan probably

[4:50:38] Voice 13: about this high and it comes down there and that's about where the end of the house so

[4:50:44] Voice 13: in fact we're utilizing that bank when we do that we have to place it a bit to get the rainfall

[4:50:52] Voice 4: go in there but

[4:50:54] Voice 7: to I guess meet up the land of it. So the retaining walls are probably below the

[4:51:05] Voice 7: field? That's correct yeah.

[4:51:10] Voice 4: Where's the second one is it that purple dotted line? The purple dotted

[4:51:14] Voice 4: line is I think the roof. Is that what you mean? No down below sorry. Let's try and figure out

[4:51:23] Voice 4: where the second where the two retaining walls are. So this is the 15 meter setback from the ocean?

[4:51:28] Voice 4: Yeah.

[4:51:29] Voice 5: This is a topography line out there.

[4:51:32] Voice 5: You can't really see them because we've covered it up.

[4:51:35] Voice 4: This

[4:51:35] Voice 5: is where you

[4:51:35] Voice 4: start to see lots of topography lines.

[4:51:37] Voice 4: So where are the retaining walls?

[4:51:40] Voice 4: So this kind of cobbled area, that would be a potential retaining wall,

[4:51:45] Voice 4: and the same thing here.

[4:51:51] Voice 7: Let's ask, what more room is in this exercise?

[4:51:58] Voice 13: Sounds cheap, yeah.

[4:52:01] Voice 13: I'm the engineer designing this.

[4:52:03] Voice 13: So when doing that, it's helpful for me to be the applicant for the owner, because if there's questions that come up, I can answer them for you.

[4:52:13] Voice 13: But also, you know, we write reports all the time.

[4:52:17] Voice 13: So it's helpful for us to maybe try to give you a succinct report, hopefully succinct, that helps you understand the situation.

[4:52:24] Voice 8: And are you a septic expert engineer?

[4:52:26] Voice 13: I'm a septic engineer. I wouldn't call myself an expert with lots of proficiency, right?

[4:52:31] Voice 13: i

[4:52:31] Voice 4: thought engineers were expert in just about everything rather be careful with that thank you

[4:52:42] Voice 3: so just so i'm clear the

[4:52:45] Voice 4: setbacks being amendments being sought and staff can help me with this as

[4:52:50] Voice 4: well is that to vary the interior lot lines from three meters to one because presumably the rock

[4:52:57] Voice 4: walls are going from from wall to wall from property line proper line but and then the

[4:53:03] Voice 4: sewage field would be instead of being 30 meters of the natural would be 50. okay i

[4:53:12] Voice 3: understand

[4:53:13] Voice 11: and are the retaining walls above or where are they in relationship to the neighbors adjacent

[4:53:21] Voice 11: their part of their height of their land

[4:53:23] Voice 13: so all of this bank so sorry is that a question to me

[4:53:32] Voice 13: the slope there is similar for all of the parcels so both neighboring lots

[4:53:38] Voice 13: so actually in this area that's basically beneath the house there's already existing

[4:53:45] Voice 13: retaining walls on the property so the rock walls that could potentially put in you put in place

[4:53:54] Voice 13: there they would have to made up to you know make up to these concrete rock walls that are already

[4:54:03] Voice 4: you don't need setbacks from the sea for the for the rock for the retaining wall because

[4:54:10] Voice 4: they're outside the setback that's correct so they're off you need but you need them

[4:54:14] Voice 4: from the from the property lines the interior property right yep okay and um do you know

[4:54:20] Voice 4: if it's like is it going to be a type 3 system or is it going to be effective so my feeling

[4:54:26] Voice 4: on that is that if we're going by

[4:54:28] Voice 13: standard practice with the BC University Health standard practice manual we're given a setback of 15 meters and that's just for a type one system that's that's you can you know

[4:54:40] Voice 13: do whatever you want up to 15 meters and that's with the traditional septic tank

[4:54:44] Voice 4: what we've proposed here in

[4:54:52] Voice 13: So, this is a type two system, which is the next level of treatment, higher quality effluent.

[4:55:01] Voice 13: The cross section of this you'll see that we've actually added additional sand beneath

[4:55:06] Voice 13: the point of application, which is shown or I guess referenced in previous standard practice

[4:55:12] Voice 13: manuals that when you do that, you actually achieve a higher, even a higher level of treatment.

[4:55:17] Voice 13: treatment, that's where this type 2 treatment comes into play.

[4:55:21] Voice 13: The problem with going with

[4:55:23] Voice 13: type 3 systems nowadays, like a traditional type 3, would be that there'd be a UV bulb

[4:55:28] Voice 13: in the pump chamber, which is good because it kills all the fecal coliforms, but it also

[4:55:35] Voice 13: relies on owners

[4:55:38] Voice 5: replacing that UV bulb every one to two years, right? So if we do a design

[4:55:43] Voice 5: on a dispersal field

[4:55:44] Voice 13: with the idea that it's going to be receiving type 3 effluent if the owners down

[4:55:52] Voice 13: the road not these owners anyway they're right if they don't keep up that maintenance then it's kind

[4:55:57] Voice 13: of a detriment to things so i found this even though i didn't have to do type 3 in this situation

[4:56:02] Voice 13: it felt like a practical way to do things where it's type 2 which is a high level of treatment

[4:56:06] Voice 13: something similar to doing all types of entities but if we add more sand to it we're probably

[4:56:11] Voice 13: be expecting the same results

[4:56:13] Voice 4: but with no maintenance like that and do you have your sewage

[4:56:17] Voice 4: permit i mean do you have your permit um not for this not yet but you'll have to have it in order

[4:56:23] Voice 4: chair i'm not an expert i'm a simple accountant and uh um i i don't want to and so i'm hearing

[4:56:32] Voice 4: from the engineer um makes sense to me so

[4:56:35] Voice 3: go ahead

[4:56:37] Voice 4: but i'm i'm going to move that um

[4:56:39] Voice 4: on staff's recommendation.

[4:56:41] Voice 4: Go ahead, Laura.

[4:56:43] Voice 4: Where was the previous field for the pre-existing house?

[4:56:49] Voice 7: Oh, previous field was

[4:56:58] Voice 4: in this area, I believe.

[4:57:04] Voice 4: I think the previous filing actually

[4:57:06] Voice 4: showed it was higher up here.

[4:57:11] Voice 4: That's a no.

[4:57:18] Voice 3: And that would have been a

[4:57:19] Voice 5: traditional septic tank

[4:57:21] Voice 5: treatment, so there's no advance treatment.

[4:57:25] Voice 3: this is the are the tanks

[4:57:27] Voice 11: then below and they're pumped up to the field that's

[4:57:29] Voice 4: correct anyway i'm

[4:57:35] Voice 4: going to move the sourcing and local trust committee approve issuance of development

[4:57:37] Voice 4: variance permit ssdbp 2022.4 is there a second i'll

[4:57:46] Voice 11: second that discussion

[4:57:47] Voice 4: uh

[4:57:49] Voice 11: the only discussion

[4:57:50] Voice 11: i have is i i do understand the growing concerns with septic fields and the distance setback from

[4:58:00] Voice 11: the boundaries and i think setbacks need to be better considered this is more for us about you

[4:58:06] Voice 11: know there's vertical there's horizontal differences um and then there's sea level rise

[4:58:12] Voice 11: and the various impacts and the increased water as you're also experiencing in the system so i

[4:58:21] Voice 11: think the weather is is changing us i think it's something we're going to have to get

[4:58:24] Voice 11: it would be a good thing for the islands trust as a whole um to have this information um going

[4:58:33] Voice 11: forward because i'm becoming less comfortable uh with the more experiences that we're having

[4:58:39] Voice 11: and that one size fits all is not an easy um answer and so i think we need to create something

[4:58:47] Voice 11: better on our side with

[4:58:49] Voice 13: that too on our standpoint you know in low areas but something we want to

[4:58:53] Voice 13: considered too is climate change what level of stuff i got so

[4:58:57] Voice 4: that's my only comment about this

[4:58:59] Voice 13: is

[4:58:59] Voice 4: it often feels like a bit cart before the horse and we don't have the sewers coming because we

[4:59:04] Voice 4: don't have the official notification as to what the septic field actually going that's been

[4:59:10] Voice 4: approved is going to look like like the actual system and so i prefer when the personal thing

[4:59:18] Voice 4: i prefer when the actual septic approval is before us so we know what the system is that's going in

[4:59:24] Voice 4: that's being proposed to go in as opposed to granting the variance and then on the assumption

[4:59:29] Voice 4: of this approval but having said that i'm prepared to go along with the motion yeah

[4:59:37] Voice 4: you'll see is a condition of this permit is that the professional report that was with it okay and

[4:59:43] Voice 4: so that's it so that's the way it is so it's attached to the variance so it has to go along

[4:59:47] Voice 4: Thank you. I'm happy with that. Okay. So any further conversations, I'm going to call the vote all in favor of that.

[4:59:52] Voice 4: Thank you very much. Thanks for your time.

[4:59:56] Voice 4: We have one more application, which is.

[5:00:00] Voice 4: 17.9 currently in the bmo bank what needs a bit it's it's signage approved who is who is

[5:00:09] Voice 4: presenting that go ahead rpm again another report by uh my name is going to be here in person today

[5:00:17] Voice 4: um i'm just

[5:00:19] Voice 13: going to get right to it

[5:00:19] Voice 4: the application is for a replacement of two signs

[5:00:23] Voice 4: that my world was science bylaw um signs that could be there for a while and are similar to

[5:00:31] Voice 4: cibc recently got a new approval was able to successfully negotiate them away from plastic

[5:00:37] Voice 4: backlit signs to something more character to be um

[5:00:40] Voice 4: some cedar trees with four incest

[5:00:43] Voice 4: so small wins are wonderful things that's what you have before you um they reduce the number

[5:00:51] Voice 4: of signages and the impact of science

[5:00:53] Voice 10: and the

[5:00:57] Voice 4: lt character staff recommend approve issuance

[5:01:01] Voice 4: of the development purpose so i moved the source management trust committee approved issuance of

[5:01:06] Voice 4: development permit ssdp 2021.1 any discussion

[5:01:11] Voice 11: oh yes i have something okay go

[5:01:13] Voice 11: ahead it's the same

[5:01:14] Voice 11: i made for the cibc

[5:01:15] Voice 3: we

[5:01:16] Voice 11: have to have a good area plan for ganges and

[5:01:20] Voice 11: we have to deal with signage

[5:01:21] Voice 11: and i go to so many villages where they are strength about their signage and uh while i

[5:01:28] Voice 11: know we like to be kind of you know free flowing and uh

[5:01:32] Voice 11: i think we're we need a little we need to

[5:01:35] Voice 11: constrain people to a stream bed on their free flowing rather than a flood um so that our signage

[5:01:41] Voice 11: is is more in line um okay

[5:01:45] Voice 4: i agree but put it to the gandhi's village i

[5:01:49] Voice 12: hope it's for them

[5:01:52] Voice 4: so uh any further commentary if not i'll call the vote all in favor that passes unanimously

[5:01:59] Voice 4: so that's the end of the applications uh the next item on the agenda which is

[5:02:04] Voice 4: sort of added was well there is no closed meeting uh it was that uh patrick you wanted to raise the

[5:02:11] Voice 4: issue of channel ridge again and the presentations we had related to the rogers tower i'm not sure

[5:02:18] Voice 4: what either of you wish to do about that if anything well

[5:02:20] Voice 11: my point was raising i do think

[5:02:22] Voice 11: people coming and i understand you know when we asked that the applicant meet with the community

[5:02:29] Voice 11: that was a sincere request and that it has come a long time and noticed that so i was

[5:02:36] Voice 11: wondering what we can do to put added pressure on to make that happen so i know you've been

[5:02:42] Voice 11: penciling something over

[5:02:43] Voice 4: here so i want to see what you've been penciling okay

[5:02:46] Voice 4: well to be um

[5:02:47] Voice 4: forthright and blunt um i actually don't have a lot of sympathy position let me explain why

[5:02:55] Voice 4: although i think i have to you julia already um you have three concerns one proxy values

[5:03:01] Voice 4: values, the visual line, this is what we talked about in the past, and then health.

[5:03:07] Voice 4: With regard to property values, that existing tower was there when you all moved in.

[5:03:13] Voice 4: And so if there was an issue about property values, and I don't know if there was, you

[5:03:18] Voice 4: benefited from that at the time.

[5:03:21] Voice 4: I don't believe that the second tower would necessarily affect that.

[5:03:28] Voice 4: That's my belief.

[5:03:29] Voice 4: that it is. With regard to visual, I mean I have walked around that area and the back

[5:03:37] Voice 4: line of your properties, I don't think I trust this. And except for a couple of the properties,

[5:03:44] Voice 4: I couldn't actually see the tower at all and I suspect that since you've all moved into the area,

[5:03:50] Voice 4: trees have grown and if there are any visual effects, the camouflage has improved.

[5:03:59] Voice 4: proved. And lastly, the health concerns that some have raised. I can't give that any credence

[5:04:07] Voice 4: because I'm tied by a health calendar. Having said that, I do believe in due process. Personally,

[5:04:15] Voice 4: I think we did follow due process, but you don't think we followed due process and that's

[5:04:20] Voice 4: good enough for me. I think I want you to believe that due process has been followed.

[5:04:24] Voice 4: followed so i have a motion which involves the resemblance the rescindment of the statement

[5:04:31] Voice 4: of concurrence which with your permission fellow trustees i would like to read out

[5:04:36] Voice 3: okay

[5:04:36] Voice 4: i moved the source of our local trust committee rescind the statement of concurrence

[5:04:40] Voice 4: ss c e w l a 2021

[5:04:44] Voice 4: .1 for

[5:04:46] Voice 8: the proposed rogers tower sighting in channel rich and to reconsider

[5:04:51] Voice 8: consider citing

[5:04:51] Voice 4: any antenna system using the newly adopted citing protocol thank

[5:04:58] Voice 7: you for the stuff

[5:05:00] Voice 7: before

[5:05:04] Voice 3: i second my question did we it's exciting

[5:05:09] Voice 11: bring my memory to it i

[5:05:12] Voice 3: know we had a

[5:05:12] Voice 11: resolution to bring in some art from the archaeological

[5:05:18] Voice 11: or the resolution bringing the adoption of the protocol i can't i

[5:05:22] Voice 3: can't remember what

[5:05:23] Voice 3: the

[5:05:23] Voice 11: standing resolution good i could look it up

[5:05:27] Voice 4: it's a standing resolution it'll be in your agenda

[5:05:31] Voice 4: regarding first nations so that would be included as part of the process until it's formally

[5:05:37] Voice 4: adopted into the protocol itself so the two would work together so you guys have not sorry you guys

[5:05:42] Voice 4: this this trust committee has not adopted the this the standard protocol or it has adopted

[5:05:48] Voice 4: they have

[5:05:48] Voice 4: adopted it they noted that first nations considerations were not thought before not

[5:05:53] Voice 4: on addressed satisfactorily to it it's true so therefore

[5:05:56] Voice 4: they adopted the standing resolution

[5:05:58] Voice 4: to ensure that it is why that protocol harmonizes it all together and we all have the same

[5:06:05] Voice 4: so i'm sorry i'm just so late this this discussion thank you for the motion did

[5:06:14] Voice 4: you want to second it or do you

[5:06:16] Voice 4: want to amend it before you second it suggest an amendment

[5:06:19] Voice 4: yes

[5:06:20] Voice 11: i mean i the only thing i was going to say is that kind of is there any subject to the if they

[5:06:25] Voice 11: were to hold a satisfactory meeting i

[5:06:27] Voice 3: don't know if

[5:06:27] Voice 11: there's a satisfactory outcome tower is i think

[5:06:29] Voice 11: it is in a

[5:06:30] Voice 11: very different location from the one that makes it different but it will appear

[5:06:34] Voice 4: different um so i i can just either do it this way see what happens do you need to make it subject to

[5:06:43] Voice 4: your standing resolution as well about first nations engagement is that what the standing

[5:06:49] Voice 4: resolution is i'm sorry i haven't read it any resolution stands forevermore so to speak until

[5:06:55] Voice 4: we send it and by going through the phone call uh it would oh it would automatically happen so

[5:07:00] Voice 3: we don't need to

[5:07:01] Voice 4: mention it in there anyway but trust me patrick if you want to if there's some

[5:07:06] Voice 4: amendments you want to no i

[5:07:08] Voice 11: mean it's just

[5:07:08] Voice 4: so what would happen is i gather is you notify

[5:07:14] Voice 4: and the

[5:07:15] Voice 4: applicant that you've rescinded concurrence and want to have that you want to consider

[5:07:24] Voice 4: it again pursuant to the protocol is that that the idea yes that's the

[5:07:28] Voice 4: idea yeah

[5:07:29] Voice 7: okay

[5:07:32] Voice 4: right any further discussion i just want to make sure i understood what i was voting on

[5:07:36] Voice 4: yeah no

[5:07:38] Voice 3: i think i understand it okay

[5:07:42] Voice 4: hold on oops oh

[5:07:43] Voice 4: sarah's voted already i'm

[5:07:46] Voice 1: just wondering if you could read that again because

[5:07:48] Voice 1: there was a last piece there

[5:07:49] Voice 4: following

[5:07:51] Voice 1: reconsider it

[5:07:53] Voice 4: says uh and to reconsider citing any antenna

[5:07:57] Voice 4: system using the newly adopted citing

[5:08:02] Voice 3: protocol move in a second any further discussion if not

[5:08:13] Voice 3: will call a vote

[5:08:13] Voice 4: all of a sudden don't look at me like i've i show up at it all

[5:08:20] Voice 4: if i

[5:08:27] Voice 8: may say the irony that what you've asked them to now do is what they claim they did in

[5:08:36] Voice 8: the first place

[5:08:36] Voice 4: i'm sure that's true and

[5:08:38] Voice 6: they will all of a sudden start responding to you too

[5:08:41] Voice 6: thank

[5:08:41] Voice 4: you very much

[5:08:42] Voice 6: thanks for

[5:08:43] Voice 4: i'm sorry we made you sit around for two hours it was a learning

[5:08:46] Voice 4: experience thank

[5:08:47] Voice 3: you very very much so

[5:08:48] Voice 4: uh thanks a lot nice to meet you all and nice to meet you

[5:08:52] Voice 4: maxine we have the next meeting is on uh april the 19th 2022 here uh at 9 30 is there any further

[5:09:00] Voice 4: business other than to thank you very much for enabling church ably chairing us through today

[5:09:06] Voice 4: it was fun it's an easy meeting um anyway uh thank you very much and to those online thank

[5:09:13] Voice 4: you for joining us for today and uh with that i'm going to call for adjournment all in favor

[5:09:18] Voice 4: We're adjourned.

[5:09:19] Voice 4: Thanks very much.

[5:09:21] Voice 4: I'm going to stop the broadcast.