Islands Trust Council regular meeting, May 2, 2022

[0:05:07] Voice 9: okay so you can hear

[0:05:09] Voice 9: me too i'm

[0:05:16] Voice 6: gonna start recording

[0:06:20] Voice 6: So

[0:06:45] Voice 10: I just say, I tried to spread the chairs out because on the other hand, so if you want

[0:06:54] Voice 10: to spread out, please feel free to move even further away.

[0:07:12] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:07:13] Voice 6: All right.

[0:07:14] Voice 6: So thank

[0:07:55] Voice 9: you for joining us.

[0:07:57] Voice 9: This is the May the 2nd of the Gallaudet Local Press Committee.

[0:08:07] Voice 9: we are meeting um in the south hall of galliano island thanks dan rogers i'm the chair of galliano

[0:08:21] Voice 9: local trust me um and i'll tell you a little bit about the procedure that we were following

[0:08:27] Voice 9: uh these days in a moment but before we uh start um two things um one is you will note the absence

[0:08:38] Voice 9: and so uh trustee rockefeller today uh trustee rockefeller is uh is um frankfield um and which

[0:08:49] Voice 9: only uh became apparent this morning um and has uh and and it cannot join us either virtually or

[0:09:02] Voice 9: or in person so that may limit to some extent the work that we do today

[0:09:09] Voice 9: we may not do all the things that we had originally anticipated doing

[0:09:17] Voice 9: because of uh her voices will not be here today and um anyway we wish her well hopefully it's a

[0:09:24] Voice 9: short illness but um uh we talked about not proceeding but decided that we could at least

[0:09:31] Voice 9: have some discussions about some of the issues that are on our agenda um and uh move forward on

[0:09:37] Voice 9: some things that are uh that perhaps the two of us we um we actually our majority constitute the

[0:09:47] Voice 9: local trust committee um on um most issues except one that trustee wilberton is accused from of

[0:09:55] Voice 9: course uh and therefore i can't do anything on it today um but um i just thought i'd flag that for

[0:10:03] Voice 9: you to begin with as to why you're not seeing uh tigera here and of course we wish you as well

[0:10:10] Voice 9: i'm sure she'll watch the recording at some point

[0:10:16] Voice 9: secondly uh trustee wolverton has um uh asked that uh she can do the opening

[0:10:23] Voice 9: and acknowledgment for us today.

[0:10:26] Voice 9: So, I'm going to go ahead.

[0:10:28] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:10:30] Voice 3: I'll just take my mask away a little bit.

[0:10:33] Voice 3: It's important to understand the long-standing history

[0:10:36] Voice 3: that has brought us to reside on this land

[0:10:38] Voice 3: and to seek to understand our place within that history.

[0:10:43] Voice 3: Land acknowledgments do not exist in a past tense

[0:10:47] Voice 3: or historical context.

[0:10:49] Voice 3: Colonialism is an ongoing problem.

[0:10:51] Voice 3: we need to build our understanding of our present role in this and commit to working with Indigenous people for change.

[0:10:59] Voice 10: Just to comment a little bit, most of the lands in this province were taken through a process called preemption.

[0:11:08] Voice 10: And it meant that if you staked out a piece of land, you could apply

[0:11:15] Voice 3: to basically to seize that land.

[0:11:19] Voice 3: And if you improved it, either through farming or building a homestead, you could then apply for title.

[0:11:27] Voice 3: And you may or may not have paid any money for it.

[0:11:30] Voice 3: So this is what happened to a lot of lands

[0:11:31] Voice 10: in the province.

[0:11:33] Voice 10: And so it does speak to how the settlers came to be and be occupying a lot of their land.

[0:11:44] Voice 3: so i just wanted to say that and just to say that we're thankful to live and work

[0:11:48] Voice 3: in the treaty and territories of the philippine peoples in particular and the post-savage peoples

[0:11:53] Voice 3: in general thank

[0:11:58] Voice 9: you so um a couple of things just too i'm sorry i i appreciate that everybody

[0:12:05] Voice 9: i think everybody if not everybody almost everybody is wearing their mask i know that

[0:12:10] Voice 9: that there is COVID on Galeano

[0:12:14] Voice 9: and I will be basking when I'm not speaking,

[0:12:17] Voice 9: but it's very hard for me to be understood

[0:12:20] Voice 9: when I take kind of particular

[0:12:21] Voice 9: because we're recording, et cetera.

[0:12:23] Voice 9: So I'll be taking it off and we'll be taking it off

[0:12:26] Voice 9: and trustee might as well, trustee Wolverton.

[0:12:30] Voice 9: We are doing, continuing with the process

[0:12:33] Voice 9: of recording and live streaming our meetings

[0:12:38] Voice 9: for those that are watching the live streaming there's approximately

[0:12:42] Voice 9: 20 or 21 or 22 people in the room uh as well for folks that are here um

[0:12:51] Voice 9: the the recording of the meeting will be really um on the website in approximately

[0:13:00] Voice 9: uh a few days i shouldn't say approximately because i don't know how long it goes on but

[0:13:05] Voice 9: in a few days it goes up you go back to the actual notification and the listing on this calendar of

[0:13:12] Voice 9: this actual meeting uh you'll eventually and i i say it's only a couple days you'll see the

[0:13:18] Voice 9: recording of this meeting it's also being live streamed and i know that um there is uh there's

[0:13:26] Voice 9: been some questions about uh why this isn't a more fully hybrid meeting um and uh frankly

[0:13:35] Voice 9: um i'm not a technical guy but uh it's the difference between what's called a zoom meeting

[0:13:41] Voice 9: and what's a zoom webinar um and this is a zoom meeting um which is therefore only open to a

[0:13:51] Voice 9: certain number of people to in order to be part of it because otherwise everybody would be part of it

[0:13:58] Voice 9: and there'd be no ability to control on train exit we used to for a year and a half run what

[0:14:04] Voice 9: were called zoom webinars and those if you recall if any of you attended i know many you did there

[0:14:11] Voice 9: was the attendees listed in the participants list and people were moved back and forth

[0:14:16] Voice 9: But that required staff time and analysis and sort of an attention to the way the meeting was proceeding.

[0:14:26] Voice 9: And we literally do not have the staff capacity in order to run those kinds of meetings right now.

[0:14:35] Voice 9: You will see that there will be a couple of our staff that join us today by way of as full participants in the meeting.

[0:14:42] Voice 9: um but the uh the um uh the decision was made by trust council probably six to seven months ago

[0:14:52] Voice 9: not to fund the full webinar going forward um and i can tell you from my recollection that all three

[0:15:02] Voice 9: of you both

[0:15:03] Voice 7: of your local trustees voted in favor of funding it um as did i but it did not pass

[0:15:09] Voice 7: trust council in terms of funding a position

[0:15:13] Voice 9: that could actually make that happen so if you have a

[0:15:17] Voice 9: concern this is our process now there's a review going to happen sometime before the end of

[0:15:24] Voice 9: first half of this year as to whether this is an acceptable process but if you have concerns about

[0:15:31] Voice 9: it i suggest you you write to trust council or you can write to the executive and they can put

[0:15:37] Voice 9: it on the trust council agenda indicating that you would like to have full interactivity uh this is

[0:15:43] Voice 9: an interim in between step where we're broadcasting but we don't have the ability for our folks to

[0:15:50] Voice 9: attend and and participate in the meeting uh except for applicants and we don't have any

[0:15:56] Voice 9: applicants joining us electronically today as far as i know and stuff um so that's what's happening

[0:16:05] Voice 9: in terms of the of the process today we have an agenda before us and we're going to work our way

[0:16:14] Voice 9: through the agenda as best we can making decisions or not depending on how we decide to move forward

[0:16:23] Voice 9: in the absence of trustee roberto it's not ideal obviously and it's not something that i'm

[0:16:30] Voice 9: particularly comfortable making important decisions without the absence of a full court

[0:16:35] Voice 9: so let me introduce you know of course christy wolverton you've already heard from her

[0:16:39] Voice 9: uh you know carly who's our reporter and of course uh standing in for uh the island planner brad

[0:16:47] Voice 9: smith is uh the regional planning manager uh robert kojima a little later in the day we'll

[0:16:54] Voice 9: be joined by um uh by planners uh phil testamale and uh at some point we may have some questions

[0:17:05] Voice 9: for and be joined by uh freshwater specialist william schumer um so with that i'm going to

[0:17:13] Voice 9: turn to the agenda i have a couple of changes to make to the agenda uh jesse wolverton do you have

[0:17:19] Voice 9: any um first is i need to do a rise in the report from our our last meeting from our in-camera

[0:17:27] Voice 9: meeting um which i will do uh the second thing is a note that there is no delegation again today

[0:17:34] Voice 9: um i found that out from uh narissa i guess the plan is now for the delegation to come in june

[0:17:41] Voice 9: so uh they're not quite ready to come and the third thing on the agenda is to add under

[0:17:48] Voice 9: correspondence there was an addendum to the agenda which is 11.3 which is some correspondence related

[0:17:54] Voice 9: to um and from roger communication and also from the chair of the abc related to that correspondence

[0:18:02] Voice 9: that's on the an addendum to the agenda that was uh it's also was put on the website i believe

[0:18:09] Voice 9: monday afternoon for anybody who was interested in seeing it uh last monday afternoon uh and we'll

[0:18:16] Voice 9: get to that so that's 11.3 exactly and then 10 in our delegation so the first thing i'm going

[0:18:24] Voice 9: to do is there anything else anything else related to the agenda no so as amended i'll take the

[0:18:29] Voice 9: agenda amended uh adopted as amended um the rising report let me find my notes in an in-camera meeting

[0:18:38] Voice 9: in last month uh we appointed two new members to the uh to the galliano apc and that was uh

[0:18:46] Voice 9: jane george

[0:18:47] Planner Testemale: georgeson

[0:18:49] Voice 9: i know i know it's georgeson let me always get it wrong and sherry moore

[0:18:53] Voice 9: but we're applicants and so now the agency has a full members and thank you to all of them for

[0:19:02] Voice 9: for their work.

[0:19:03] Voice 9: We also re-appointed the three members

[0:19:08] Voice 9: of what's known as the Board of Variants,

[0:19:10] Voice 9: which is a joint Board of Variants

[0:19:12] Voice 9: for a number of the islands.

[0:19:16] Voice 9: And I don't believe any of these are Galleon folk.

[0:19:20] Voice 9: There's a gentleman by the name of Bert Hall,

[0:19:23] Voice 9: Priscilla Zinnerman, and Priscilla Mubey.

[0:19:27] Voice 9: And those three people were all appointed

[0:19:29] Voice 9: into the galley out of the board of variants um for the uh for the i think it's a three-year term

[0:19:37] Voice 9: so with that uh the first item on the agenda is the trustee reports uh so over to you trustee

[0:19:46] Voice 10: i should just clarify that i did not vote in favor of the electronic

[0:19:52] Voice 3: meeting but it wasn't

[0:19:54] Voice 3: that i wasn't in favor but it was the cost that hadn't been uh figured into the budget at that

[0:20:01] Voice 3: point and it was quite a large cost uh

[0:20:04] Voice 11: i am totally

[0:20:05] Voice 3: in favor of having electronic interactive

[0:20:08] Voice 3: meetings um i

[0:20:10] Voice 10: i was hoping that there could be sort of a third way to do it we haven't found that

[0:20:15] Voice 10: yeah um just briefly the southern gulf island forum which the

[0:20:23] Voice 3: trustees in this area sit on

[0:20:25] Voice 3: along with the uh elected um indigenous uh councils and uh our mla and mp and regional

[0:20:35] Voice 3: directors uh is holding a half-day meeting to um we had we had a half-day meeting with

[0:20:44] Voice 3: the Port of Vancouver and various Transport Canada folks about the anchorages that are

[0:20:50] Voice 3: in these islands,

[0:20:51] Voice 10: and we will be having a happy meeting in July to bring

[0:20:57] Voice 3: together a

[0:20:59] Voice 3: larger voice in opposition to having the anchorages in these waters, and just reflecting on all

[0:21:09] Voice 3: of

[0:21:09] Voice 11: the damage that they caused um there have been some uh some bylaw problems relating

[0:21:18] Voice 10: to tree cutting

[0:21:21] Voice 10: and also the uh that the conservancy is is uh working on is going to be

[0:21:31] Voice 10: um a report out of it will be from june 5th to 12th

[0:21:36] Voice 3: at the yellow house um just to let you know

[0:21:38] Voice 3: that the uh

[0:21:39] Voice 10: the

[0:21:40] Voice 3: community stewardship awards two people from galiano have been nominated

[0:21:45] Voice 10: uh

[0:21:45] Voice 3: i'm not sure when those are

[0:21:48] Voice 3: when they

[0:21:50] Voice 11: when they're actually uh considered

[0:21:51] Voice 11: and announced um and

[0:21:54] Voice 3: the other thing was just

[0:21:55] Voice 5: oh

[0:21:55] Voice 3: okay um the other thing was just to talk a little bit about the census uh you probably all

[0:22:03] Voice 3: know that our census went from 10.4 to 13.96 between 2016 and now and one of the greatest

[0:22:11] Voice 3: jumps has been in the 0 to 14

[0:22:14] Voice 10: where we went from 85 children to 135 children so that's actually

[0:22:21] Voice 10: very good news for the island as well our average age dropped

[0:22:26] Voice 11: from 54.7 to 52.9 and the median from

[0:22:31] Voice 3: from 61 to 57.6 so we

[0:22:35] Voice 11: are renewing and that's all thank

[0:22:43] Voice 9: you um so the work at the at the trust

[0:22:47] Voice 9: council level continues of course um uh you would have had your trust policy statement engagement

[0:22:54] Voice 9: on the island sometime in the last couple of weeks i thought it was uh somewhere in mid-april

[0:23:00] Voice 9: That work is now in the hands of the consultants to do a report.

[0:23:08] Voice 9: It's anticipated at this point that there would be a report available by the end of May.

[0:23:21] Voice 9: it may be you know we'll see uh it's certainly anticipated it will be made available for the

[0:23:28] Voice 9: trust council in june which is a little later than usual it's it's in the third week the 21st

[0:23:35] Voice 9: to the 23rd of june um uh it will go to um the intention is it will go to the trust

[0:23:47] Voice 9: programs committee first for examination recommendations and the trust programs

[0:23:53] Voice 9: committee has requested a um the executive committee to to uh and we're waiting for some

[0:24:02] Voice 9: reporting on this to to find the funding for a full day workshop of the trust programs committee

[0:24:07] Voice 9: work through the recommendations in the report and come up with recommendations for trust council

[0:24:12] Voice 9: So that would not occur before the June Trust Council.

[0:24:15] Voice 9: That would, or at least it's not contemplated,

[0:24:19] Voice 9: just the timing doesn't work.

[0:24:20] Voice 9: So that would be contemplated for probably sometime

[0:24:23] Voice 9: in either late June or early July

[0:24:26] Voice 9: for the Trust Programs Committee,

[0:24:29] Voice 9: which is made up of at least 11 trustees right now.

[0:24:33] Voice 9: The Community Stewardship Awards will be considered

[0:24:37] Voice 9: by the Trust Programs Committee on the 13th of May,

[0:24:40] Voice 9: and then we'll there'll be recommendations to trust council for the june um that's the

[0:24:47] Voice 9: sequence of events uh you may have seen that the um uh we we put that program on hiatus for a

[0:24:57] Voice 9: couple of years um to focus on other things and uh and have now i believe passed the motion that

[0:25:04] Voice 9: it'd be that it'd be only awarded once every term as opposed to once a year um and uh and then it

[0:25:12] Voice 9: went to once every two years but that would be recognized once once a term so that's the

[0:25:17] Voice 9: new process with that um the other time consuming or investment of my time over the last a little

[0:25:28] Voice 9: while was last week I spent much of the week at the Salish Sea Eco Conference, Marine Eco Conference

[0:25:38] Voice 9: which is put on by the Institute of the Salish Sea which is out of Western Washington University.

[0:25:44] Voice 9: It's a joint conference and a joint of all the work being done in primarily British Columbia

[0:25:51] Voice 9: in Washington state related to um the salicy and and a plethora of of uh marine and near shore and

[0:26:02] Voice 9: near marine issues because it also deals with a lot with um watersheds and issues of that nature

[0:26:08] Voice 9: it's a a fantastic conference um uh it's daunting it's it's somewhat scientific at times but there's

[0:26:18] Voice 9: also a lot of socioeconomic and and other uh forums uh it's it's both um

[0:26:27] Voice 9: frightening and hopeful because a because you get a real sense of the scope of the issues being

[0:26:34] Voice 9: faced and in the salish sea which of course is all puget sound and all the way up effectively

[0:26:39] Voice 9: to campbell river is considered to be uh the salish sea and all the areas in between uh but

[0:26:46] Voice 9: the but it's also very hopeful because there are so many good people that are working on

[0:26:51] Voice 9: on the issues there both both in government and in not-for-profits and university and academic

[0:27:00] Voice 9: settings there's so much really really fantastic work that's going on to get a chance to go and

[0:27:07] Voice 9: find any of the forums that were held i highly recommend it there's lots of emphasis on

[0:27:16] Voice 9: indigenous ways of knowing and the historical uh work with indigenous people and the work that

[0:27:23] Voice 9: they are doing and lots of and lots of um sessions that were focused on the work that's going on

[0:27:30] Voice 9: uh in the uh tribal first nations uh governments so i that was a very that was last week i know

[0:27:40] Voice 9: that um because i was talking to her i know that um uh at least uh one person from galleon was there

[0:27:46] Voice 9: along and probably where others you know that risa smith was there so i was talking to her and she was

[0:27:51] Voice 9: excited to be attending as well as was i um okay

[0:27:58] Voice 7: so that's that

[0:27:59] Voice 9: um so

[0:28:01] Voice 7: that's the chair's report so

[0:28:02] Voice 7: the first thing on the agenda then is uh town hall questions

[0:28:05] Voice 9: um as you will know if you attended last

[0:28:09] Voice 9: last year and if you saw my uh my piece in the uh short uh piece in the active page

[0:28:20] Voice 9: i have and i talked about it with our last meeting i'm i i uh in order to uh we're going to have a

[0:28:28] Voice 9: system where the town hall is a little bit more compressed it's going to be a a time

[0:28:34] Voice 9: limit i don't like time limits i don't like to put people on a clock um but uh given some of the

[0:28:42] Voice 9: uh the longer periods that have been set and the fact be fair to everybody uh and i thought today

[0:28:49] Voice 9: given that our meeting might be i don't know if it's going to be abbreviated or long i have no

[0:28:54] Voice 9: idea but i thought i was going to i had decided on the way over that we would set a two and a half

[0:28:59] Voice 9: minute time limit for for representation during town hall. I urge you to consider the things that I said about being speaking to your trustees.

[0:29:11] Voice 9: That's what the purpose of the town hall is is is that we can hear what what your thoughts are issues that are relevant and pertinent to us.

[0:29:23] Voice 9: it's not about people or personalities and ask you not to uh to to go into those issues and i

[0:29:31] Voice 9: ask you to be respectful and appropriate in your language keeping in mind this is a workplace for

[0:29:36] Voice 9: everybody here and it should be a safe place for everybody that's uh in the audience so um with

[0:29:44] Voice 9: With that, I'm going to see if there are people who wish to speak in the town hall.

[0:29:53] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:29:57] Voice 9: Okay, we'll start.

[0:29:58] Voice 9: our clock show and go left, right.

[0:30:00] Voice 9: start with you

[0:30:00] Voice 10: okay um my name is carla and what i would like to speak about is i kind of think

[0:30:08] Voice 10: a determination for especially in the states for crystal mountain coming up in the future

[0:30:14] Voice 10: i think i was at the meeting where it first came up and i feel like it was the arbitrarily the

[0:30:21] Voice 10: number of okay one day per year for a special event that's thrown out there and it's kind of

[0:30:28] Voice 10: quite crystal mountain applicants in a bit of a one-digit hole that they're trying to dig themselves

[0:30:35] Voice 10: out of and i feel that more appropriate process would it mean to say oh you want to have days

[0:30:43] Voice 10: where there'd be more than 35 people on the property what is that something that we should

[0:30:50] Voice 10: consider what would that look like what would make sense for you as the applicant to be practical

[0:30:56] Voice 10: practical, let's have some fact-finding, let's have some discussion about it, and see what

[0:31:04] Voice 10: would you like, what would you say, and so if you try to give a permission, you're so

[0:31:14] Voice 10: restrictive about it, it almost could make it meaningless, for example, if I said yes,

[0:31:20] Voice 10: I guess you can borrow my car, but I feel like we can only go 800 meters with it. That's it.

[0:31:28] Voice 10: It doesn't really make sense anymore. So I just, when that discussion comes up for how many days and how many people and what it might look like,

[0:31:37] Voice 10: yes, safety, how does the water work, how does the traffic work, let's look at all these things,

[0:31:42] Voice 10: but please um don't already be thinking that it's like one day

[0:31:48] Voice 10: thank

[0:31:50] Voice 6: you thank

[0:31:56] Voice 9: you very much okay i think we're mr

[0:32:00] Voice 9: i

[0:32:01] Voice 8: um just wanted to clarify i'm i'm reading i'm i'm here to uh read a letter on behalf of tom

[0:32:09] Voice 8: lonson and uh who's unable to attend and uh can't participate by doing it for the reasons that you

[0:32:17] Voice 8: outlined i also have my own comments i'd like to give them the phone call uh maybe if i could do

[0:32:22] Voice 8: that is that one of

[0:32:24] Voice 8: the letters we've already got from tom or just a new uh okay today dear

[0:32:30] Voice 8: judge sees rockefeller uh overton and rogers i regret i cannot attend this ldc meeting in person

[0:32:35] Voice 8: and I am self-isolated due to the COVID-19 exposure.

[0:32:39] Voice 8: I am not given the option to speak by the Zoom.

[0:32:41] Voice 8: My friend has agreed to read my intervention on my behalf.

[0:32:45] Voice 8: Knowing that I have both the right and responsibility

[0:32:47] Voice 8: in a democracy to participate

[0:32:49] Voice 8: in the decision-making processes that affect me,

[0:32:51] Voice 8: my neighbors, and the long-term viability of our planet,

[0:32:55] Voice 8: I use the expertise that I have acquired

[0:32:57] Voice 8: over a 40-year scientific career

[0:33:00] Voice 8: to look at the evidence presented

[0:33:01] Voice 8: for decision-making on groundwater availability

[0:33:05] Voice 8: at Crystal Mountain.

[0:33:06] Voice 8: I did this on my own time, at my own expense,

[0:33:10] Voice 8: because I care about the future.

[0:33:12] Voice 8: I happen to have the particular skills

[0:33:13] Voice 8: that enable me to do this analysis,

[0:33:15] Voice 8: and I believe in democracy.

[0:33:17] Voice 8: I looked at the evidence presented

[0:33:19] Voice 8: by Crystal Mountain to support the development proposal.

[0:33:22] Voice 8: That is the hydro-geo consulting report

[0:33:24] Voice 8: and subsequent additions on groundwater availability.

[0:33:28] Voice 8: These reports are required

[0:33:29] Voice 8: required to support a development application and they are and have to be public as they

[0:33:34] Voice 8: are the evidence on which decision making is based. I came to the conclusion that the

[0:33:40] Voice 8: original report was 1 incomplete, 2 did not follow recommended procedures and protocols

[0:33:47] Voice 8: and 3 contained errors on well identification with cascading effects throughout the report.

[0:33:54] Voice 8: None of my conclusions have been refuted and one that has cascading effects on the whole

[0:33:59] Voice 8: analysis the misidentification of wells has been admitted to by hydrogeo consulting therefore i

[0:34:07] Voice 8: conclude that the foundation of your decision making related to groundwater availability

[0:34:11] Voice 8: became serious flaws the crystal mountain proposal should go no further until one proper summer

[0:34:18] Voice 8: groundwater study has been completed 24 to 72 hour pump tests including analysis of recovery

[0:34:24] Voice 8: recovery, and recharge phases on the central well

[0:34:28] Voice 8: while monitoring the reference well.

[0:34:30] Voice 8: Two, comparable complete summer tests

[0:34:32] Voice 8: to design at least two neighboring wells.

[0:34:35] Voice 8: Three, a proper experimental approach has been developed

[0:34:38] Voice 8: and applied to selected wells in the area

[0:34:40] Voice 8: already experiencing saltwater intrusion into the aquifer.

[0:34:44] Voice 8: I would also like to see avenues of discussions

[0:34:47] Voice 8: be open between the public, the planners,

[0:34:49] Voice 8: experts, and decision-makers.

[0:34:51] Voice 8: My experience is of a process that has broken.

[0:34:54] Voice 8: Black transparency is dismissive of

[0:34:56] Voice 8: public input and designed to be adversarial.

[0:34:59] Voice 8: We share a finite climate, and islands tend to be the canary in the coal mine of larger problems.

[0:35:04] Voice 8: The current process does not reflect a precautionary approach,

[0:35:13] Voice 8: and does not instill confidence in the way flow of information is handled,

[0:35:18] Voice 8: and feedback is ignored or dismissed okay and i'll follow that

[0:35:26] thank

[0:35:36] Voice 6: you who's

[0:35:46] Voice 9: next yeah we'll just let them sit down

[0:36:14] Voice 10: I'm having my friend read my introduction to you because I'm not able to attend the

[0:36:26] Voice 10: I'm writing to keep the request for a new groundwater study at Crystal Mountain, as requested by 51 North End residents and property owners who are neighbors of the Crystal Mountain Resort.

[0:36:37] Voice 10: Public participation means that those affected by a decision have a right to be involved in the decision-making process.

[0:36:44] Voice 10: I am reminded regularly by my Indigenous colleagues that with rights come responsibilities.

[0:36:49] Voice 10: I and my neighbors also have a responsibility to engage in decisions that affect us, and that is why 51 of us, now 54 this morning, have written a letter asking to stop further investigation of the process until a rigorous groundwater study that uses the same methodologies required by the two affordable housing projects is completed.

[0:37:12] Voice 10: Our groundwater resources are already stretched to the limit in North Bend.

[0:37:16] Voice 10: I am worried that even though you've classified our groundwater as vulnerable, you don't actually believe that it is.

[0:37:23] Voice 10: But those of us who live here know how vulnerable it is because that's our day-to-day experience in the summer.

[0:37:29] Voice 10: I am wondering who will be accountable when your decision today takes our groundwater resource over the tipping point.

[0:37:36] Voice 10: As Tom Monson pointed out in his April 11th analysis of the data provided by Hy-Geo Consulting,

[0:37:42] Voice 10: It is our belief that the groundwater availability at Crystal Mountain is not sufficient to support more than 10 people in the summer.

[0:37:50] Voice 10: Tom's concerns have not been addressed or repeated by anyone.

[0:37:54] Voice 10: Although Hygenia has indicated that Tom is right that the data used for the baselines does not even help,

[0:38:00] Voice 10: that error has escalated effects, as does the lack of longer-studied recharge testing,

[0:38:08] Voice 10: I would like to leave you with a statement to the current trust policy trust council

[0:38:13] Voice 10: believes that only consultative public participation is vital to effective decision making for

[0:38:19] Voice 10: the test I also have a matter of my own and I would like to draw some that I can let another

[0:38:26] Voice 10: person

[0:38:27] Voice 6: speak first okay we'll stop there thank

[0:38:39] Voice 5: you

[0:38:43] Voice 9: Mr. Chair um are you just going

[0:38:46] Voice 9: to say that uh if you are

[0:38:49] Voice 8: going to require the suitable written notification to exceed the 35

[0:38:56] Voice 8: daily

[0:38:57] Voice 9: visitor use maximum then you should build in some time frames to allow property owners

[0:39:05] Voice 9: as well as the local trust committee to get the notification and come up with a response

[0:39:11] Voice 9: uh if you're going to exceed 35 uh an event of more than 35 people then you're going to

[0:39:21] Voice 9: have to do some advanced planning so build this into the advanced planning and at least

[0:39:28] Voice 9: provide a month's notification to the trust and the committee thank you is there anybody

[0:39:41] Voice 9: Anybody else want to put it out there to the lady in the right next to you?

[0:39:46] Voice 4: We are Ian and Pat Mayhill

[0:39:47] Voice 3: from Scouting on Wildland Property, lot 8 on Dobson Lane,

[0:39:53] Voice 3: chair of the board of the Crystal Mountains

[0:39:55] Voice 4: Society's first lofty from 48 Times Road

[0:39:59] Voice 6: at Dobson Lane,

[0:40:01] Voice 6: to the southern end of the Beacon Rocks.

[0:40:06] Voice 6: Renewal to the Crystal Mountains updated board and management plan on page 29.

[0:40:12] Voice 3: There is an emergency response plan with a list of whom to call.

[0:40:17] Voice 3: Last

[0:40:17] Voice 10: on that list for saltwater delivery is South Isle of Water.

[0:40:21] Voice 10: The question, from what source would that water be drawn?

[0:40:27] Voice 10: Does CMS not have confidence in its water supply?

[0:40:31] Voice 3: It has been stated previously by a representative of Mr Mountain that we are prepared to chuck in water in the event of a shortage.

[0:40:39] Voice 3: No

[0:40:40] Voice 10: problem. Commercial fees paid by the treatments can be

[0:40:44] Voice 4: adjusted to cover the extra cost.

[0:40:47] Voice 4: But what about a water supply in the

[0:40:49] Voice 3: area that's already deemed to be highly vulnerable?

[0:40:56] Voice 3: Any neighborhood that's gone by the sky or has saltwater intrusion would have to bear that cost.

[0:41:02] Voice 3: They bear the long-term implications if there isn't enough water for those who live there and they wouldn't have the benefit of outside financial support.

[0:41:12] Voice 10: We would like to remind all concerned that summer water shortages force the diva code to truck in water for their guests.

[0:41:22] Voice 10: Dr. Tom Lomson's excellent report pointed out serious

[0:41:25] Voice 4: shortcomings in the original water study.

[0:41:29] Voice 4: Having read that report, at least 53 immediate neighbors signed a letter

[0:41:34] Voice 6: calling for a new

[0:41:35] Voice 6: letter of study. We all draw to the same action for that. Respectfully,

[0:41:42] Voice 4: the CNS do the decent

[0:41:44] Voice 4: thing and have a more thorough

[0:41:46] Voice 3: ground-level study done, one

[0:41:48] Voice 3: that follows paper calls requested

[0:41:50] Voice 3: for gallery and food yards, and provides some reassurance about long-term sustainability

[0:41:56] Voice 3: sustainability to

[0:41:58] Voice 6: this small island community where

[0:42:02] Voice 4: each of us ought to demonstrate consideration

[0:42:04] Voice 3: and caring for each other especially as we all enter into the unknown vagaries of climate change

[0:42:11] Voice 3: we urge you to not proceed any further

[0:42:15] Voice 9: until this fundamental water issue is resolved

[0:42:19] Voice 9: thank you

[0:42:20] Voice 9: we did receive your

[0:42:31] Voice 9: report on Saturday

[0:42:34] Voice 9: or at least I did

[0:42:40] Voice 9: when we said we

[0:42:41] Voice 9: yeah

[0:42:46] Voice 6: yes

[0:42:47] Voice 10: first

[0:42:50] Voice 4: of the

[0:42:55] Voice 4: problems that we have

[0:42:57] Voice 4: had for a long time

[0:42:59] Voice 4: is care

[0:43:01] Voice 4: care on the island

[0:43:03] Voice 4: health

[0:43:04] Voice 9: care

[0:43:05] Voice 4: health care

[0:43:07] Voice 5: that

[0:43:08] Voice 4: is always

[0:43:10] Voice 4: always to the maximum and now we have an escalating crisis but in reality there is always more

[0:43:19] Voice 4: or less a crisis.

[0:43:21] Voice 4: I don't think it's wise to approve an application that will add more people from outside the

[0:43:30] Voice 4: island and especially when you have that six days over 35 of people coming here.

[0:43:39] Voice 4: I think people who are not from Higaliana have no idea of the limitations of our healthcare facilities.

[0:43:52] Voice 4: I know that there are others also in the summer, we have a bodega bridge with weddings that are a lot of people and in the same area.

[0:44:05] Voice 4: but I really think that with the service problems now increasing because the population of the

[0:44:13] Voice 4: island has increased with the ferries but especially with our health care here on the island

[0:44:23] Voice 4: thank

[0:44:27] Voice 9: you before I come around second time speakers uh is there anybody I just wondered

[0:44:34] Voice 9: if there's anybody on this side of the room I'm looking over here I haven't seen any hands

[0:44:38] Voice 9: answerable. So okay, so I think you want to speak again this

[0:44:43] Voice 9: morning.

[0:44:53] Voice 10: groundwater aquifer in North Carolina was already stressed

[0:44:57] Voice 10: by two intensively around the bridge. The owner of both

[0:45:03] Voice 10: commercial facilities has stated that it comes out of a

[0:45:05] Voice 10: combination of hotels, restaurants and stores. In

[0:45:09] Voice 10: addition to his existing tourism facilities and recruitment and retreat business. At least his

[0:45:15] Voice 10: commercial zone pays taxes to support North Galliano infrastructure and must have applicable

[0:45:21] Voice 10: water license. Even with that top water surge, it is not unusual for the native Cove and Northern

[0:45:30] Voice 10: Galliano residents to be unable to draw groundwater and keep summer droughts in occasions limited to

[0:45:37] Voice 10: not even watering vegetables and this coincides with peak summer tourism requiring water tankers

[0:45:44] Voice 10: to be brought in now we are faced with yet another proposed north galena resort the crystal

[0:45:50] Voice 10: mountain development which will feature the most intense visitor density on the entire island

[0:45:55] Voice 10: drawing from the same lifestyle of groundwater scientists we find ourselves as immediate

[0:46:00] Voice 10: neighbors of the proposed crystal mountain resort again having to point out

[0:46:05] Voice 10: an ongoing lack of due diligence in providing very delegated part information on which we can

[0:46:10] Voice 10: lie dr tom monson an eminent scientist and former editor of a prestigious scientific publication

[0:46:17] Voice 10: has evaluated these kinds of geological studies to provide a right and identify great issues and

[0:46:24] Voice 10: concerns that remain unaddressed i would remind you that there is still a standing petition by

[0:46:30] Voice 10: including the 74 residents all over the area this is not an issue opposed to crystal mountain

[0:46:37] Voice 10: these 54 people they're all over here they're all concerned about water um

[0:46:45] Voice 10: based with reasonable daily attendance listed limits cms people have promptly asked for and

[0:46:52] Voice 10: modeled for six additional days of usage with no upper ceiling and trustees entertained the

[0:46:59] Voice 10: request before details of water management have been fully evaluated. I do not believe when you're

[0:47:05] Voice 10: going to be attending LTC meetings for many years that any other proposal has never such intense

[0:47:11] Voice 10: opposition from neighbors except perhaps the cell phone tower. How this north end development could

[0:47:17] Voice 10: proceed without addressing residents urgent concerns about water among a number of patients

[0:47:23] Voice 10: issues is difficult to countenance. Last sentence. We are here to require a realistic and thorough

[0:47:29] Voice 10: understanding of the CMS. What are your statements and confirmations? Thank you.

[0:47:33] Voice 10: This

[0:47:37] Voice 9: is your own announcement.

[0:47:38] Voice 8: Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I note that our three trustees

[0:47:46] Voice 8: on Galliano voted for the discussions on the revised trust policy statement, the new trust

[0:47:53] Voice 8: policy statement you voted to proceed with that at first reading you were voted by other people but

[0:48:01] Voice 8: you you were committed to that trust policy statement and i remind you of some very

[0:48:05] Voice 8: interesting important things in that in that draft that you voted for uh the uh the uh draft says

[0:48:14] Voice 8: that the uh trust policy director should place priority on preserving and protecting the

[0:48:21] Voice 8: environment and indigenous cultural heritage and all decision making. Decision making should be

[0:48:26] Voice 8: guided by best available science, local knowledge, indigenous ways of knowing and a precautionary

[0:48:32] Voice 8: principle. The precautionary principle recognizes that delaying action until there is compelling

[0:48:37] Voice 8: evidence of harm often means that it is then too costly or impossible to avoid the threat.

[0:48:43] Voice 8: Use of this principle promotes action to avoid risks of serious or irreversible harm to the

[0:48:49] Voice 8: environment very relevant to what we're talking about today also in the draft was a um a phrase

[0:48:58] Voice 8: that talks about um strengthening existing policies he has clear and measurable terms

[0:49:04] Voice 8: neither the density nor intensity of land use is increased in groundwater regions or the quality

[0:49:10] Voice 8: or quantity of or supply of fresh water is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable so i ask you to

[0:49:17] Voice 8: to bear in mind these principles that you supported

[0:49:20] Voice 8: at the trust policy statement discussions.

[0:49:23] Voice 8: When you're dealing with the request

[0:49:25] Voice 8: of immediate neighbors to the Crystal Mountain development

[0:49:29] Voice 8: for a new water site,

[0:49:31] Voice 8: because we voted not to proceed with the same thing

[0:49:38] Voice 8: to sign off on the trust policy statement directives

[0:49:42] Voice 8: a couple of months ago,

[0:49:44] Voice 8: ago, which was a, which was recommended by staff, that was a courageous move on your

[0:49:53] Voice 8: part. And I'm saying that now the latest analysis by, that Tom Monson has done on the hydrogel

[0:50:01] Voice 8: study, all the more reason to hesitate and not sign off on the trust policy statement

[0:50:08] Voice 8: the directives all the more reason to call for more study of the water in that uh in that area

[0:50:15] Voice 8: you've got a letter from 51 immediate neighbors these are people who rely on the water you've got

[0:50:22] Voice 8: people from i'm going to wrap up clementine lane dawson lane part of their task is down from the

[0:50:29] Voice 8: development uh spotlight coal which is just down from the development all through the neighborhood

[0:50:35] Voice 8: but this is something that you really need to take seriously.

[0:50:38] Voice 8: So do not move this application forward

[0:50:40] Voice 8: without calling for a new water study.

[0:50:44] Voice 8: Be true to the ideals you've supported

[0:50:46] Voice 8: in the TPS policy statement discussion.

[0:50:50] Voice 9: And as Trustee Woolworth clarified,

[0:50:53] Voice 9: I actually did not vote to move to first reading

[0:50:56] Voice 9: on the trust policy statement,

[0:50:58] Voice 9: but it was more a process issue

[0:50:59] Voice 9: as opposed to not being in favor of the materials that are in there.

[0:51:03] Voice 9: but so you were right about to hear on james but i did not vote to move it to first reading

[0:51:10] Voice 9: just to be clear um yes sir all right i can't tell who it is over there my eyes are getting so bad

[0:51:17] Voice 9: Well, it's Mr. Leiter. Go ahead, sir.

[0:51:22] Voice 6: I appreciate what you said, but I had two dugouts of 2,000 gallon tanks of water, and they get filled within the first month of rain that happens.

[0:51:46] Voice 6: If you're short of water, why wouldn't you share your water with me?

[0:51:52] Voice 6: mr

[0:51:52] Voice 7: i'm going to ask you

[0:51:53] Voice 9: to talk to us as opposed to other people

[0:51:55] Voice 7: in the audience

[0:51:57] Voice 7: you can have your conversations

[0:51:58] Voice 9: with them outside

[0:52:00] Voice 9: um but go ahead and so your your point should be made to us as trustees

[0:52:08] Voice 6: christmas has a certain amount of um that four-spot has a certain amount of development

[0:52:14] Voice 6: in our bylaws available too if we remained a four-spot and if it was developed

[0:52:25] Voice 6: There would be a lot of draw on water, but they're right now, I think that we can solve

[0:52:37] Voice 6: the water problem by collecting water in a rainy season.

[0:52:43] Voice 6: It's not that expensive.

[0:52:48] Voice 6: Thanks

[0:52:49] Voice 9: very much.

[0:52:52] Voice 9: Anybody else before I close?

[0:52:54] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:52:55] Voice 9: are you speaking to the crystal mountain yes okay because i was just going to say

[0:53:02] Voice 9: there's no point in talking about bigger experience i think you'd be talking no i'm

[0:53:06] Voice 4: just going to speak generally um i just wanted to

[0:53:09] Voice 11: point out to the trustees in their consideration

[0:53:11] Voice 11: of the request just made for another water study for the crystal mountain development that

[0:53:16] Voice 11: actually in the case of the two housing developments the wells of neighboring properties

[0:53:22] Voice 11: where the same concerns exist for water

[0:53:25] Voice 11: have actually not been monitored and have not been assessed.

[0:53:30] Voice 11: And the actual water problems experienced

[0:53:33] Voice 11: by the adjacent properties in the dry season

[0:53:36] Voice 11: as submitted to the trustee

[0:53:38] Voice 11: have not been assessed in water settings.

[0:53:40] Voice 11: So just to clarify that point.

[0:53:46] Voice 10: This is one.

[0:53:48] Voice 10: Sure.

[0:53:50] Voice 10: In the case of Galley, the page drive well was monitored.

[0:53:56] Voice 10: Yes, I understand

[0:53:58] Voice 6: interference, but it's identical, so yeah.

[0:54:03] Voice 9: Okay, yeah, I'm not sure that's entirely accurate, but you've made your point.

[0:54:08] Voice 9: I know your view about monitoring of wells, but that's, we'll leave it at that.

[0:54:16] Voice 9: Is it really, is it urgent, Mr. Moses?

[0:54:18] Voice 8: Well, I just wanted to say that the water management plan, the revised water management plan,

[0:54:26] Voice 8: and uh which talks about collecting water and it's a it's a me it's a change from the previous

[0:54:34] Voice 8: yeah it seems like you know things change as it goes along it's almost like the figures are

[0:54:40] Voice 5: okay it's

[0:54:41] Voice 5: kind of out of box

[0:54:42] Voice 8: what's going on thank you but my point is what i wanted to say was that

[0:54:46] Voice 8: well you've had your time but what is it i wanted to say that the because of the problem

[0:54:51] Voice 8: with the switching of the well panels and this identification of the wells and the hydrogel

[0:54:57] Voice 8: report the cascading effect of that means that we don't really know what the sustained yield

[0:55:04] Voice 8: of that central well it is because it wasn't accurately yeah

[0:55:09] Voice 9: i'm going to ask you that

[0:55:10] Voice 9: you've had two times already and uh so we could just stop and i i know all of that stuff that

[0:55:17] Voice 9: Mr. Long's letter. So this material is before us. So I just hope you've had a consideration on your

[0:55:24] Voice 9: decisions. Anybody else before I close? Yeah. So thank you very much. Thank you for sticking to

[0:55:32] Voice 9: your time. In fact, Ms. McHale, you were exactly two minutes and 30 seconds. So thank you very

[0:55:38] Voice 9: much for that. It was just about to go off. So I appreciate that. Thank you for all the comments.

[0:55:45] Voice 9: that we have received all of the material and when we get to um the crystal mountain

[0:55:54] Voice 9: stock report on the agenda i believe that uh uh fresh water special shield was going to joining

[0:56:01] Voice 9: us we'll be asking him i know i'll be

[0:56:03] Voice 9: asking him some questions about some of the material that we

[0:56:07] Voice 9: could see lately and i'm guessing that just people over tonight as well um so thank you very much for

[0:56:13] Voice 9: that uh let's go back to the agenda there is no there's no cim today there's no public hearing

[0:56:19] Voice 9: we have minutes from uh let me just find my notes to make sure i didn't have anything arising out of

[0:56:25] Voice 9: any of the minutes you know uh we have minutes from april the 4th uh trustee wilkins is there

[0:56:34] Voice 9: anything arising on that nothing united right we'll adopt those minutes um as well uh as presented

[0:56:44] Voice 9: So that's 8.1. There's no RWM or advisory planning committee meetings.

[0:56:48] Voice 9: We then have the follow-up action list, which starts at page 13 of the agenda.

[0:56:55] Voice 9: And so I'll turn to our PM, Jim, and ask if there's anything in which is flagged in the follow-up action list.

[0:57:02] Voice 8: Nothing specifically. Most of the ones that are still in progress are related to the applications.

[0:57:08] Voice 8: Such as on the agenda today, the other two are still in progress.

[0:57:12] Voice 8: us i think they're anticipated if the applicants for all the information to come back at the next

[0:57:17] Voice 8: meeting okay okay

[0:57:20] Voice 7: any questions for for the follow-up action list uh trustee wolverine

[0:57:24] Voice 3: no i'm just having a hard time with my glasses steam up it's

[0:57:30] Voice 9: challenging isn't it it's very

[0:57:32] Voice 9: challenging i know i know the feeling um okay so there's nothing arising from there then we're

[0:57:39] Voice 9: to go to uh number 11 which is correspondence uh and the first uh piece of correspondence is on page

[0:57:48] Voice 9: 17 of the agenda and that's from mr watson um i believe or from the galeano parks of rec i should

[0:57:57] Voice 9: say um and uh i

[0:58:01] Voice 7: guess the question is is this is this is sort of an information piece is there i

[0:58:05] Voice 7: i

[0:58:05] Voice 9: don't frankly know the situation in this particular place and wondered if there's

[0:58:11] Voice 9: anything that you think we need to do or respond in any way or just to receive it

[0:58:16] Voice 9: i

[0:58:17] Voice 3: think just to receive it okay

[0:58:19] Voice 9: i mean they do say in their letter if we have any comments

[0:58:21] Voice 9: uh i don't have any do you have any no okay and there's i assume there's no staff commentary

[0:58:27] Voice 9: okay so then we'll just receive that uh that correspondence and the attachments

[0:58:35] Voice 9: um and it's there for obviously for any public correspondence and it's it also relates to the um

[0:58:41] Voice 9: um to to the neighborhood where people have been notified of what the plans are related

[0:58:47] Voice 9: to that

[0:58:47] Voice 10: actually do you have a question uh when do you think this will be open

[0:58:54] Voice 9: sorry who are you asking that question

[0:58:56] Voice 4: sorry to jerry or to

[0:58:58] Voice 9: phil balkson yes oh

[0:59:04] Voice 9: We have yet to determine a full budget, but our budgets come from CRD, so we're in sort

[0:59:12] Voice 9: of that process as well as community engagement for the neighbors who surround that particular

[0:59:20] Voice 9: shore access.

[0:59:21] Voice 9: So that's kind of where we are.

[0:59:22] Voice 9: So we really don't have a schedule based on one of those two issues.

[0:59:28] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:59:28] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:59:29] Voice 9: Thanks.

[0:59:30] Voice 9: thank you for your correspondence uh and your work sir um the next piece of correspondence

[0:59:36] Voice 9: is mostly there i asked to be put on so that um uh members of the community were aware of the

[0:59:43] Voice 9: the uh the wcimrc has opened a new center in sydney uh there was an open house of course

[0:59:50] Voice 9: that period is that that event has come and gone uh but it was there and it's for information

[0:59:57] Voice 9: unless there's something else that we need to do with it.

[1:00:00] Voice 9: that i wasn't

[1:00:02] Voice 3: able to go to the open house but i have been in touch with mr lowry about having a

[1:00:07] Voice 3: tour at some point okay

[1:00:09] Voice 9: um the third piece of information is what's in the

[1:00:14] Voice 9: sort of correspondence is what's in the addendum uh which is the correspondence from rogers

[1:00:21] Voice 9: communication uh for just so we know um probably i'm going to say november or december uh when

[1:00:30] Voice 9: there was rumblings about make some new um equipment going up on the rogers tower

[1:00:36] Voice 9: we wrote and asked for a public process and asked for some information related to the

[1:00:44] Voice 9: to the uh the material the information that was going on the what was going on the power

[1:00:51] Voice 9: um we didn't get an answer for a long time uh and i think it's i think we were advised sort of ad

[1:01:01] Voice 9: hoc that they actually had gone ahead with the work on the on the tower in any case and um that

[1:01:09] Voice 9: we did get this correspondence then back from rogers communications and coincidentally um we

[1:01:17] Voice 9: got a specific request from the chair of the apc asking us to refer the the um

[1:01:27] Voice 9: the location the tower location policy of galliano to the apc for consideration uh related to the um

[1:01:35] Voice 9: and also consideration coordination consideration of what's now the trust policy statement

[1:01:42] Voice 9: um i don't have any particular views about that one way or the other but i wanted this to be on

[1:01:48] Voice 9: the agenda because we did get a specific request and we did get that correspondence back from

[1:01:53] Voice 9: rogers rogers said uh tell us what your what kind of a public process you would like um of course

[1:02:02] Voice 9: a post event public process is is always problematic um but and also we got the request

[1:02:09] Voice 9: for the abc and i wanted to see if you had any thoughts about that uh you trustee and i think

[1:02:17] Voice 3: what i would like to do and i haven't had a chance to do it was would be to talk with patrick to see

[1:02:21] Voice 3: what his um i'm a little confused about

[1:02:24] Voice 10: what he's commenting on uh about the um that somehow

[1:02:34] Voice 10: how the trust has overstepped and and because

[1:02:38] Voice 3: i think that our our sighting policy is is in

[1:02:43] Voice 3: line with the you know what the federal government set up so that's why i'm confused i will i will

[1:02:50] Voice 3: endeavor to talk with back to find out what he's referring to yeah

[1:02:54] Voice 9: there's always this debate when

[1:02:56] Voice 9: it comes to antenna society policies that the way that the the policy from the um the federal

[1:03:03] Voice 9: government work who has works who has ultimate control over antennas and radio communications

[1:03:09] Voice 9: and powers and things of that nature that they there are certain circumstances in which they

[1:03:14] Voice 9: exclude material from public from from community consultation and so that becomes the point where

[1:03:23] Voice 9: i i assume mr ramsey's saying he thinks perhaps our policy stretches too far there are many other

[1:03:30] Voice 9: other members of most communities I've been on that

[1:03:33] Voice 9: think it doesn't stretch far enough so it's

[1:03:36] Voice 9: always a concern one way or the other but if you'd like to talk to Mr Ramsey and then

[1:03:40] Voice 5: bring the matter

[1:03:41] Voice 9: back when Trustee Rockefeller is here so if we could just put this defer this matter this

[1:03:46] Voice 9: corresponds to our next agenda I'll

[1:03:49] Voice 3: also talk with Mr Rybak who is uh intimately yes well

[1:03:53] Voice 3: it was in

[1:03:54] Voice 9: fact mr rybeck's urging them i think it's our suggestion that we correspond with them and he

[1:04:00] Voice 9: brought it to our attention so i would have heard back in the late fall that's my recollection

[1:04:06] Voice 9: um okay if there's nothing further related to that uh we have a break schedule but we're i

[1:04:13] Voice 9: think we should just keep going um the next item on the agenda is the galliano club and i think

[1:04:19] Voice 9: there's some uh representatives who introduced themselves to us yes nice to see you uh welcome

[1:04:25] Voice 9: so what we'll do is we'll get the stock report from mr testamale uh which is here which starts

[1:04:31] Voice 9: on page 27 of the agenda package uh we'll see if we have any questions for mr testamale and then

[1:04:38] Voice 9: um if we have any questions for you we'll turn to the representative so uh mr uh planner uh

[1:04:45] Voice 9: that estimate thanks

[1:04:47] Planner Testemale: chair rogers um so this application uh gldvp 2022.1 uh is to consider

[1:04:54] Planner Testemale: a development variance permit uh for the siting of a proposed accessory building which is a storage

[1:05:00] Planner Testemale: shed uh on the galliano community club uh hall property which is at 141 studies bay road where

[1:05:08] Planner Testemale: I believe you're all sitting uh granting the variances to uh sorry um would reduce the

[1:05:15] Planner Testemale: western interior side lot line um from six meters to three meters and will permit the construction

[1:05:21] Planner Testemale: of the shed which is necessary for the storage associated with the use on the property so the

[1:05:28] Planner Testemale: applicant has provided a summary of the historical uses of the property and the rationale for the

[1:05:34] Planner Testemale: configuration and siting of the building and that is attached to the staff report

[1:05:38] Planner Testemale: the proposed use specifically is for unheated and uncooled food and equipment storage which have

[1:05:46] Planner Testemale: the need for which have grown considerably in the recent past the proposed siting is shown in figure

[1:05:54] Planner Testemale: two which is on page 29 of the agenda and would be adjacent to an existing identical shed on a level

[1:06:01] Planner Testemale: cleared area directly sorry that was selected given the need for proximity to the kitchen

[1:06:08] Planner Testemale: in the hall so given the size and height of the proposed shed and a minimum three meters

[1:06:16] Planner Testemale: setback being maintained to the property line overall any impacts to neighboring properties

[1:06:22] Planner Testemale: are assessed as being minor there has been no correspondence received in response to the

[1:06:27] Planner Testemale: required notification to neighbors and the applicant has reported that she has discussed

[1:06:33] Planner Testemale: the variance proposal with the neighbor to the west the most impacted one and that they have

[1:06:38] Planner Testemale: no objections or concerns so staff's recommendation is for approval of issuance of the dvp and

[1:06:45] Planner Testemale: alternative resolutions are provided on page 31 of the agenda any

[1:06:52] Voice 9: questions for the planner from

[1:06:57] Voice 9: I

[1:06:57] Voice 11: know I would just comment that the building

[1:07:00] Voice 3: itself this building is out of whack uh it has

[1:07:05] Voice 3: owns been since it was built so it's you know it's

[1:07:08] Voice 10: it's a historical building

[1:07:09] Voice 10: that is

[1:07:10] Voice 11: not exactly

[1:07:11] Voice 11: located within its setbacks and I think that the need for the need for a second

[1:07:20] Voice 11: and shed is

[1:07:22] Voice 10: where this community is quite great.

[1:07:24] Voice 10: I mean, this is the home of the food program.

[1:07:28] Voice 11: It is where food is stored for the food bank

[1:07:33] Voice 11: or will be stored for the food bank.

[1:07:35] Voice 11: And also it's an alternate reception center

[1:07:38] Voice 11: in the event of an emergency.

[1:07:40] Voice 11: So, I mean, there are some really good reasons

[1:07:42] Voice 11: for having good storage and accessible

[1:07:46] Voice 10: storage here.

[1:07:46] Voice 10: And because it's an old building,

[1:07:48] Voice 10: i mean the if you looked back in the back there there's just coverage

[1:07:53] Voice 11: everywhere it's everywhere

[1:07:55] Voice 11: that has been um it's people have

[1:07:59] Voice 3: put cupboards to try to find make more and more storage wherever

[1:08:03] Voice 3: they can but they've kind of run out of space yeah

[1:08:09] Voice 9: i have no issues with the application i just

[1:08:11] Voice 9: I just wanted to remind the community that we have a, the trust has a fund set aside to sponsor applications of this nature for particular types of applications that benefit the community.

[1:08:33] Voice 9: And this one, this development grants permit was actually sponsored by the fees related to responsive by the, so we effectively amounts to waiving the fee for the application as part of the process.

[1:08:47] Voice 9: So do you want to make, is there any questions that you have for the applicant or anything you wish to say anything or can we just go ahead and take a look?

[1:08:55] Voice 9: I'd like to say thank you for waiving the fees.

[1:09:00] Voice 9: You're welcome.

[1:09:04] Voice 9: would you and i think it was you and maine in the same day

[1:09:07] Voice 9: so it would even happen i wish to make a motion sure

[1:09:13] Voice 3: uh i would move that the galliano island

[1:09:15] Voice 3: local trust committee approve issuance of development variance permit application

[1:09:19] Voice 3: gl dvp 2020 2.1 galliano club i'll

[1:09:24] Voice 9: second that motion i'll also just say

[1:09:27] Voice 9: it's the easiest site visit i've ever done

[1:09:33] Voice 9: so is it the walk out the back door um so if there's nothing further i'll call the vote all

[1:09:40] Voice 9: in favor thank you for that so you'll grab your variants you'll get notifications shortly um so

[1:09:50] Voice 9: uh second item on the agenda the second application on the agenda

[1:09:55] Voice 9: uh it's under the name lonson but i know it's both babes in the woods um and uh

[1:10:01] Voice 9: and then some applications regarding development and a variance uh who is someone speaking to that

[1:10:08] Voice 9: are you speaking to mr lonson or are you speaking to it well you're both

[1:10:13] Voice 7: here okay so if

[1:10:13] Voice 9: we have any

[1:10:14] Voice 9: questions we can we can thank you very much uh so we'll follow the same procedure which

[1:10:20] Voice 9: which will have the staff make a report which

[1:10:23] Voice 7: starts at sorry page 45 and uh and

[1:10:31] Voice 9: and then if

[1:10:32] Voice 9: we have questions for the for the staff and then we may have some questions or you have the

[1:10:36] Voice 9: opportunity to speak to the application so go over i guess application plural overview

[1:10:43] Voice 9: you and planner thanks chair

[1:10:45] Planner Testemale: rogers so this application is combined development permit

[1:10:50] Planner Testemale: gldp 2022.2 and development variance permit gldvp 2022.3 and the property is located at 60 madrona

[1:11:01] Planner Testemale: road so this property was the subject of a rezoning application GLRZ 2019.2 which rezoned

[1:11:15] Planner Testemale: the property from village residential one to retail commercial to permit a restaurant as

[1:11:21] Planner Testemale: you've said babes in the wood within the existing dwelling so this application is essentially

[1:11:26] Planner Testemale: and eventually implementing some of the changes that needed to occur for that restaurant to move forward and be open.

[1:11:36] Planner Testemale: So the applicant has provided a summary of the scope of development, which is attached to the report and summarized on page 2, which is page 46 on the agenda.

[1:11:50] Planner Testemale: So the development permit application itself is shown in Figure 2 and it's for commercial form and character for the proposed alteration of the existing dwelling to include the restaurant.

[1:12:03] Planner Testemale: The development is primarily internal alterations which have no application to the DP, but there are minor exterior alterations and additions to the main building,

[1:12:15] Planner Testemale: Mayor Mrakas, As well as accommodation of parking landscaping lighting and signage, with no change to the existing form and character on the property or the existing buildings.

[1:12:25] Planner Testemale: Mayor Mrakas, The proposal is consistent with the dpa guidelines for the development variance permit itself, that is to consider citing variances which are shown on figure three or page 50 of the agenda.

[1:12:40] Planner Testemale: And those include non-conforming portions of the existing principal and accessory buildings, the addition of a proposed deck stairs to the front of the principal building, the proposed siting setbacks for parking spaces, and for the waiving of the requirement to provide an off-street commercial unloading space.

[1:13:02] Planner Testemale: So the siting variances themselves for the existing buildings should not have any impacts or minimal impacts on neighbors, given that they are minor and they have been in place for a long time.

[1:13:14] Planner Testemale: The proposed deck stair addition is also minor and structurally unobtrusive.

[1:13:20] Planner Testemale: The parking variances are reasonable given the confined nature of the property, adjacent uses, and existing screening that is provided by cedar fencing.

[1:13:30] Planner Testemale: So the rationale to waive the requirement to provide commercial unloading bay is also reasonable, given that there is a suitable alternative of using the front road right away, which is substantial, and given the inability to access and maneuver to the rear of the building with medium to large commercial vehicles.

[1:13:51] Planner Testemale: vehicles. Staff recommendations are on page 45 and they are to approve issuance of both

[1:13:58] Planner Testemale: the DP and the DVP and alternative resolutions have been provided on page 52 and 53 of the

[1:14:06] Planner Testemale: agenda.

[1:14:06] Planner Testemale: Okay. One

[1:14:19] Voice 10: of my questions is on page 56, or page 56, attachment two, where it talks about the

[1:14:31] Voice 11: mapping error. And I'm just wondering if you could explain that.

[1:14:36] Voice 11: um

[1:14:37] Planner Testemale: so we have actually dealt with that internally as staff and that was a miscommunication um so

[1:14:43] Planner Testemale: one thing that happens when a rezoning which i've indicated there was a rezoning on this property

[1:14:48] Planner Testemale: there's an automatic automatically um the the property if it's commercial or industrial

[1:14:55] Planner Testemale: to that zone it becomes it's included in the uh dpa for forming character dpa6 um unfortunately

[1:15:03] Planner Testemale: Unfortunately, that wasn't relayed to the mapping staff and they were unaware. So we've, we're working on putting that in our procedures to make sure that that happens each time.

[1:15:15] Planner Testemale: But it has now been corrected. I can tell you that. So, thank you.

[1:15:23] Voice 5: yeah and

[1:15:25] Voice 10: i only

[1:15:26] Voice 3: i mean this is a temporary thing and it probably won't have an impact because i

[1:15:31] Voice 3: know it's going to be a while before this is up and running but with the closure of the corner

[1:15:36] Voice 3: store there is a lot more traffic in the area of the garage and so that's just

[1:15:43] Voice 11: something

[1:15:45] Voice 11: you

[1:15:45] Voice 3: know i'm hoping that the corner store will be back open within a couple two or three months

[1:15:51] Voice 3: and that will take some pressure off of that.

[1:15:53] Voice 3: But right now there's a lot of congestion down there.

[1:15:58] Voice 3: Just a comment.

[1:16:00] Voice 9: So I just have a technical question for either you or the RP.

[1:16:05] Voice 9: I don't think I've ever seen a variance that amounts to a waiver before.

[1:16:12] Voice 9: And I guess I just want to be – is that technically the way that you do that?

[1:16:17] Voice 9: For parking?

[1:16:18] Voice 9: No, I don't have a particular problem with it.

[1:16:21] Voice 9: It's the unloading.

[1:16:22] Voice 9: It

[1:16:23] Planner Testemale: is, yeah.

[1:16:24] Planner Testemale: sorry i've

[1:16:25] Voice 9: just never seen i don't think that that's how you get to that you call it a variance

[1:16:30] Voice 9: but you actually waive the requirement

[1:16:32] Voice 8: right

[1:16:36] Voice 9: um

[1:16:37] Voice 8: you know we don't see a lot of

[1:16:38] Voice 9: them because we

[1:16:39] Voice 9: don't see a lot of commercial development but uh parking is one of the things that can be varied

[1:16:44] Voice 9: you know most of the variances lgc's

[1:16:47] Voice 8: deal with it for something right but parking is also something

[1:16:53] Voice 8: we don't know the number of parking

[1:16:54] Voice 9: spaces required dimensions that are required and

[1:16:58] Voice 9: potentially those could be there to reduce the requirement by a testimony do you want to speak

[1:17:04] Voice 9: to that oh

[1:17:05] Planner Testemale: so yeah no i was just gonna just add to robert i mean that those what the two examples

[1:17:10] Planner Testemale: he just gave are um are quantifiable so in this case it's just a requirement to provide a space

[1:17:16] Planner Testemale: so um i mean we could have said zero spaces but um it's just the way it was worded and

[1:17:22] Planner Testemale: and waving was the, yeah, is the form.

[1:17:25] Voice 9: So it's basically, it's basically another variance.

[1:17:29] Voice 9: It

[1:17:29] Planner Testemale: is, yeah, it's a very-

[1:17:30] Voice 9: It

[1:17:31] Voice 5: varies the requirement

[1:17:31] Voice 9: from one to none.

[1:17:34] Voice 9: Exactly, yeah.

[1:17:35] Voice 9: So it's like giving a zero setback,

[1:17:37] Voice 9: which I think one of these does give a zero setback,

[1:17:40] Voice 9: one of the parking spots, I think.

[1:17:42] Voice 9: Not

[1:17:43] Planner Testemale: quite zero, but yeah.

[1:17:44] Voice 9: Not quite zero, but yeah.

[1:17:45] Planner Testemale: Okay, thank you, I just had not seen that before.

[1:17:49] Voice 9: on and i was curious how we got to that um anything else for the planner you have any so

[1:17:56] Voice 9: do you have anything you'd like to add to the planner's report yeah just a couple of things

[1:18:01] Voice 9: one is that they in the report and they use the term of restaurant this is a takeout facility

[1:18:08] Voice 9: there's no seating right now there's no public washrooms or any of those things that you would

[1:18:13] Voice 9: associate with a restaurant it's strictly a takeout facility right in that

[1:18:19] Voice 9: way and the other

[1:18:21] Voice 9: thing is of course i'm sure that for a number of development variances that you're seeing these

[1:18:26] Voice 9: days uh this house was built in 1962 lots of work going was established so uh it's hard to work

[1:18:36] Voice 9: around uh trying to meet the requirements and and that but i think this project with the help of

[1:18:42] Voice 9: staff yeah i think once if you read that i i get your point about the restaurant but as you read

[1:18:51] Voice 9: through it talks about it being a takeout so that's at least that's the conclusion i drew

[1:18:56] Voice 9: and i know you've told us before that you morphed it into that in your mind but that's what it's

[1:19:02] Voice 9: going to be for

[1:19:02] Voice 5: you so

[1:19:03] Voice 9: um i have no other questions unless you have any questions for the

[1:19:07] Voice 9: applicant do you know you want to make any motion okay

[1:19:11] Voice 3: and we'll move that the galliano island local

[1:19:13] Voice 3: trust committee approved issuance of development permit gl dp 2022.2 lonesome and that the galliano

[1:19:23] Voice 3: island local trust committee approved issuance of development variance permit gl dbp 20 22.3

[1:19:31] Voice 9: so i'll second any discussion and i'll just say with both this last one and this one i'm

[1:19:40] Voice 9: comfortable making them in the absence of of uh trustee rock felt not that i prejudge what she

[1:19:46] Voice 9: might think or say that you know we we are a forum and uh we can make decisions and i'm comfortable

[1:19:51] Voice 9: over these are something that we can decide so there's no further discussion i'll call a vote

[1:20:00] Voice 9: Okay, so that takes us to the next item on the agenda, which is the Crystal Mountain.

[1:20:28] Voice 9: Yeah, anybody wants to leave?

[1:20:31] Voice 9: You

[1:20:35] Voice 11: mentioned Keith is just on his way down.

[1:20:37] Voice 11: Is there going to be a break that might allow him to arrive?

[1:20:40] Voice 11: I'm not sure if you're going to do a break or not.

[1:20:45] Voice 9: We've got an hour and 15 minutes.

[1:20:51] Voice 9: we can do that i'm going to i'm going to say in advance before we get into this

[1:20:58] Voice 6: um

[1:21:04] Voice 9: i'm going to be very reluctant to make any decisions in the absence of trusting

[1:21:07] Voice 9: um it's just i mean so what i envision occurring i'll just speak for myself

[1:21:14] Voice 9: and not for trusting well she may have a different idea is is what i envision occurring is um is that

[1:21:22] Voice 9: uh the the freshwater is quite supposed to join us the planner the planner with the rpm will

[1:21:29] Voice 9: perhaps highlight some of the main points of the staff report and we may ask some questions

[1:21:35] Voice 9: um and maybe ask some uh give some direction about what we'd like to see happen but in terms

[1:21:42] Voice 9: of actually making any decisions recommended the staff report i'm gonna i'm not i'm not personally

[1:21:49] Voice 9: i'm just saying advance in the absence of hearing what of course you're not calling my head to say

[1:21:53] Voice 9: i'd be very uncomfortable doing that so just so you know um and i i just don't think we're going

[1:22:01] Voice 9: to get there and so um so that's fine why don't we break till two o'clock if you'd like to have

[1:22:08] Voice 9: he's here here and um and then we'll uh we'll pick up there with that at two o'clock okay okay

[1:22:26] Voice 6: yeah

[1:22:26] Voice 9: i assume you would yeah

[1:22:57] Thank you.

[1:26:32] Voice 11: that you're like me, right?

[1:26:33] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:26:34] Voice 6: Maybe office.

[1:26:36] Voice 6: I don't think we're talking about office.

[1:26:38] Voice 11: Wait,

[1:26:38] Voice 6: there is one of ours.

[1:26:39] Voice 6: That's right.

[1:26:39] Voice 6: Okay, well, that's great.

[1:26:46] Voice 10: What's that?

[1:26:48] Voice 11: You

[1:26:48] Voice 6: have to go up and try and find

[1:26:49] Voice 6: the one that Michelle and I work with.

[1:27:48] Voice 6: I'm going

[1:28:09] Voice 11: to be there any time.

[1:28:13] Voice 6: It's a secret.

[1:28:14] Voice 6: They

[1:28:14] Voice 11: arrived at that one place.

[1:28:17] Voice 11: So

[1:28:17] Voice 6: take it on to town.

[1:29:47] Voice 6: We hope so.

[1:30:09] Voice 6: There's

[1:30:10] Voice 9: a few more that we can look at doing, but that one seems to be the actual one.

[1:30:18] Voice 9: I don't know if you can hear yourself, but I asked the day before about the mobility problem.

[1:30:24] Voice 6: Massive flinching, which is really bad, is that hard?

[1:30:32] Voice 9: Relatively.

[1:30:36] Voice 6: I was, you know, but it

[1:31:02] Voice 11: was, you know, and I thought,

[1:31:25] Yeah, but yeah.

[1:34:33] Voice 9: We're going to move into 13.3, which is the staff report related to Crystal Mountain.

[1:34:46] Voice 9: and our PM Kojima, even though he's not the author,

[1:34:54] Voice 9: it's going to have the pleasure of presenting the report.

[1:34:59] Voice 9: And as I said, I anticipate and I know and I see he has joined us now.

[1:35:07] Voice 9: Welcome to our specialist, Shulda.

[1:35:11] Voice 9: Good to see you.

[1:35:14] Voice 9: And you have quite the background on today.

[1:35:18] Voice 9: I wish everybody could see it.

[1:35:21] Voice 9: who's the artist there that's an amazing piece of art yeah

[1:35:25] Voice 2: her name is dana slatham she's a young

[1:35:28] Voice 2: uh artist and mother from sydney um british columbia and she does and she um grew up in

[1:35:34] Voice 2: comox valley and spent a lot of time in the gulf islands and most of her art is on the gulf islands

[1:35:41] Voice 9: colors are striking anyway sorry i got distracted there so but uh thank you for being here because

[1:35:48] Voice 9: because we may very well have some questions for you

[1:35:52] Voice 9: that you can help us as we work through

[1:35:55] Voice 9: as water has become center of mind for a lot of people

[1:36:02] Voice 9: and particularly the neighbors of Crystal Mountain.

[1:36:07] Voice 9: So we may have some questions and hopefully we can find a way

[1:36:13] Voice 9: to at least move forward in the next little while.

[1:36:15] Voice 9: up um uh rpm katina over to you thank

[1:36:22] Voice 8: you so the purpose of the report is to provide an update

[1:36:25] Voice 8: on the application um and some of the items have been requested by the ltc most recently

[1:36:32] Voice 9: their status and to seek direction on that today um

[1:36:40] Voice 8: so the applicant has completed the groundwater

[1:36:43] Voice 8: the water analysis was requested and tested off the water management plan

[1:36:48] Voice 8: plan. They've now reached agreement with the capital regional district on the terms of

[1:36:53] Voice 8: Castro for emergency access. And next steps potentially would be to proceed to a community

[1:37:03] Voice 8: information meeting and public hearing. So once the LTC is ready to get started, there's

[1:37:12] Voice 8: also highlight that um also some direction potentially from the ltc on an amendment

[1:37:23] Voice 8: to the draft bylaw of

[1:37:26] Voice 9: the number of daily maximum users and that's on the agenda

[1:37:34] Voice 9: tc is in a position to some provisions to the draft bylaw and

[1:37:42] Voice 8: uh yeah the session right away

[1:37:46] Voice 8: The water license has

[1:37:49] Voice 8: been submitted and received by the province, and there was a lot of questions

[1:37:57] Voice 8: or some questions from trustees individually and presumably collectively on that plan of

[1:38:06] Voice 9: stormwater reports.

[1:38:08] Voice 9: And so we'll answer some of those either verbally today or as a supplement.

[1:38:16] Voice 9: Thank you for that.

[1:38:23] Voice 9: I'm going to turn to Trustee Wolverton, I think, to start, if you'd like to insert

[1:38:29] Voice 9: that i expressed my view before the break about about what i thought we should we shouldn't do

[1:38:37] Voice 9: and i didn't give you an opportunity to express your view but you can start there or you can

[1:38:42] Voice 9: start with questions for william or the planner how would you like to start

[1:38:46] Voice 10: i'll start by saying

[1:38:47] Voice 10: yes that i agree just given the interest and that each of us has a lot to say about this

[1:38:57] Voice 10: particular application that it wouldn't be appropriate to move further today without

[1:39:03] Voice 10: Trustee Rockefeller being able to participate and unfortunately she can't participate and can't even

[1:39:13] Voice 10: observe she's not feeling well but I do have a number of questions for

[1:39:23] Voice 10: for our freshwater specialist.

[1:39:26] Voice 10: And

[1:39:27] Voice 11: I wanted to go back to the 2015 report

[1:39:32] Voice 11: of created by PyGeo.

[1:39:36] Voice 11: And just to ask, just for my own understanding,

[1:39:40] Voice 11: because obviously I'm not a hydrogeologist,

[1:39:46] Voice 11: but on page, it's

[1:39:50] Voice 10: two of eight of the,

[1:39:53] Voice 10: uh water samples i think uh sorry

[1:39:58] Voice 11: okay

[1:40:00] Voice 9: so which document are you looking at yeah

[1:40:03] Voice 3: i'm looking at

[1:40:03] Voice 3: the groundwater assessment report of 28 2015. um so in the certificate of analysis of the water

[1:40:12] Voice 3: um it

[1:40:14] Voice 10: talks about on the second page of that analysis it talks about conductivity and it

[1:40:19] Voice 10: gives a rating of 420 and I just want to find out um is my understanding of that conductivity is that

[1:40:28] Voice 10: it it becomes a problem when it's above a thousand is that correct William uh

[1:40:37] Voice 2: yeah thank you for the

[1:40:38] Voice 2: question um Trustee Wolverton so through the chair um conductivity uh is um a proxy to total

[1:40:47] Voice 2: dissolved solids

[1:40:48] Voice 5: and

[1:40:50] Voice 2: so it really depends on the total dissolved solids. There are a few mineral

[1:40:55] Voice 2: waters that you can buy in your local grocery store that can have total dissolved solids of

[1:41:01] Voice 2: 2500. The water that I drink at my house right now is over 800 and so it really depends on

[1:41:11] Voice 2: what the pH is and what the constituents are that contribute to connectivity. So, connectivity

[1:41:20] Voice 2: is a product of total dissolved solids, which the lab also does. With respect to saltwater

[1:41:27] Voice 2: intrusion, connectivity can be a tracer of saltwater intrusion or salinity, and that

[1:41:38] Voice 2: that is usually compared to chloride and sodium analysis.

[1:41:51] Voice 2: So for this particular water source

[1:41:56] Voice 2: or the sample back in 2015,

[1:41:58] Voice 2: with a pH of 8.2 and the total dissolved solids of 265,

[1:42:04] Voice 2: a conductivity of 420 microsiemens per centimeter,

[1:42:08] Voice 2: meter, it's showing that it's regular groundwater that has been in the ground for some time,

[1:42:18] Voice 2: fresh. If it was fresh, the pH would be higher and the total dissolved solids would be lower

[1:42:25] Voice 2: or the conductivity would be lower. So it just looks like typical groundwater. And if you look

[1:42:30] Voice 2: in the analysis itself, it is showing that there was a sample at, the iron was at about 80 and

[1:42:44] Voice 2: that was from the well and then in the tap it was quite elevated and iron so there likely could have

[1:42:51] Voice 2: been some build up in the system somewhere but the majority the analysis except for the coliforms

[1:42:59] Voice 2: in the pre-treatment there's no parameters that exceed the canadian drinking water

[1:43:08] Voice 2: so

[1:43:12] Voice 10: i just want to because there's been confusion about which well was pumped and i just wanted to

[1:43:19] Voice 10: to confirm that it was well 23227 which has a depth of um where is it 125 i believe yes so the

[1:43:32] Voice 2: there was only one mistake that was made in um in the report from 23 and that was the wrong

[1:43:43] Voice 2: labeling of the well record in Appendix 3. There's no cascading errors. The rest of the report

[1:43:53] Voice 2: is correct. And the central well is 2327. It was just wrongly labeled. And so in the Appendix 3,

[1:44:04] Voice 2: those two switched. You are correct on the depth. The total depth from the driller's log

[1:44:15] Voice 2: is to 125 feet and um the bottom of the well is approximately seven meters above sewell thank you

[1:44:29] Voice 10: let uh chair rogers ask his questions okay

[1:44:35] Voice 9: thanks thanks for that that was one of them

[1:44:37] Voice 9: that's the way i read the the note from um hygeo about the the um the driller logging mislabeled

[1:44:51] Voice 9: As I understood, one of the things you said was that it had been confirmed with the province of which well had been pump tested.

[1:44:58] Voice 9: But here's my question, and as you know, we've had a number of submissions suggesting a further and more recent pump test because of,

[1:45:25] Voice 9: and I won't paraphrase, but for a number of the reasons that were put forward.

[1:45:30] Voice 9: And one of the motions that, and if you don't know the answer to the question, you can say so, but one of the motions we put forward in March was to ask staff to provide feedback on alternative recommendations on alternative pump tests.

[1:45:44] Voice 9: and the answer we got was simply staff do not recommend additional pump tests

[1:45:51] Voice 9: um i'm assuming that you may have been part of the discussions with planner smith but and if but

[1:46:00] Voice 9: if it's just planner smith's commentary i'll then say so but if you're part of that i i would like

[1:46:07] Voice 9: to know why you came to that conclusion uh

[1:46:13] Voice 2: okay uh thank you chair rogers and so just to start off

[1:46:17] Voice 2: um i'm i'm quite a young man i just turned 40 and i just realized that i've been studying

[1:46:24] Voice 2: hydrogeology for half my life i've been studying hydrogeology for 20 years and in that time i've

[1:46:30] Voice 2: done many pump tests many aquifer tests and i'm working in the gulf islands now for well i was

[1:46:37] Voice 2: working in the gulf islands before my island stress job by and i did some work and for pump

[1:46:44] Voice 2: tests for some uh developments and over the past five years i've been really closely paying

[1:46:51] Voice 2: attention to the pumping tests that have come from the gulf islands and various applications

[1:46:58] Voice 2: and what from the provincial groundwater wells observation data and from the data that we have

[1:47:07] Voice 2: have been receiving from the salt spring island groundwater wells monitoring project that indeed

[1:47:13] Voice 2: the driest season is not this does not particularly equate to the lowest groundwater levels

[1:47:22] Voice 2: and the lowest groundwater levels are usually at the end of september and coming in october

[1:47:29] Voice 2: and in some cases almost the start of november before the wells are being recharged so for the

[1:47:36] Voice 2: the timing of the well to suggest that undertaking pumping tests in the summer is dry period is not

[1:47:43] Voice 2: completely accurate so for the timing of the pump test 15 the timing or at least undertaking during

[1:47:55] Voice 2: the driest time and also the the nature of a pump test is to stress the aquifer to see how much the

[1:48:06] Voice 2: aquifer will produce water through the reason why for say many days in in mining operations

[1:48:20] Voice 2: or in oil and gas regions or in really large community water supplies is that over time

[1:48:27] Voice 2: it's possible if it's a really high producer that the there can be a a location where the

[1:48:35] Voice 2: where the aquifer uh kind of ceases to exist it's called a negative head boundary where there's just

[1:48:41] Voice 2: no more water to be and that's likely not the case in a fractured rock aquifer especially with

[1:48:51] Voice 2: drawn from uh the fractured bedrock aquifers are like tubs filled with concrete that are smashed so

[1:49:01] Voice 2: the and there's chaotic along bedding planes we have a pump test that significant enough

[1:49:20] Voice 2: aquifer would likely take what this pump test did that ran for 12 hours is to determine the

[1:49:33] Voice 2: hydraulic connectivity of the media that surrounds the well and what that means is that the water

[1:49:41] Voice 2: makes it and and so by undertaking a pump test that says twice the length or three times the

[1:49:49] Voice 2: length it is it is likely that the sustainable yield of the well would largely be the same

[1:50:04] Voice 2: so undertaking a longer pumping test was not advised there's other ways to determine if

[1:50:15] Voice 2: sustainable yield or or what Mr. Kohut determined as drawdown and and that was undertaken under the

[1:50:30] Voice 2: request of through the LTC to do longer term water level monitoring of ambient water levels to see

[1:50:39] Voice 2: if there is a significant difference in water levels between drier season and the wet season

[1:50:46] Voice 2: and that was undertaken and there is a report that is available it's dated january 20th 2022

[1:50:55] Voice 2: and in there again the wells are accurately labeled and the water levels changed between

[1:51:05] Voice 2: 18 meters below ground in the drier seasons and then they rose to about

[1:51:11] Voice 2: 14 a little less than 14 maybe around 15 meters below ground so a difference three meters

[1:51:18] Voice 2: and that three meters is not as significant for the size so

[1:51:32] Voice 9: as a lay

[1:51:34] Voice 9: person trying to understand

[1:51:35] Voice 9: this is as uh what you're suggesting is is that uh the 2015 study was in your mind adequate and that

[1:51:48] Voice 9: the draw the the monitor data monitoring that occurred over three or four months i'm not sure

[1:51:56] Voice 9: how long it was is is in supplemental information that can confirm that uh confirmably how do you

[1:52:05] Voice 9: how do we determine if there's any impact on any neighbor so

[1:52:09] Voice 2: uh thank you for that question um

[1:52:15] Voice 2: So, okay. Largely, the pumping test and then the subsequent monitoring. What the pumping tests do is that they are investigating the efficiency and the viability of the infrastructure that is placed into the ground to remove water from it.

[1:52:34] Voice 2: And largely, it's not addressing the water balance of the region.

[1:52:42] Voice 2: Looking at well-to-well interference or trying to determine the connectivity of the system to other wells was undertaken in 2015 as the observation well was monitored at the same time.

[1:53:01] Voice 2: And there was potentially minor interference between the two wells.

[1:53:11] Voice 2: However, the amount of tidal-dominated effects on the observation well was much more pronounced than the tidal effects on the central well.

[1:53:28] Voice 2: well, and from that result, it shows that they're not tied to the same pressures closely,

[1:53:47] Voice 2: and the pumping effect from the central well to the observation well were somewhat muted

[1:53:58] Voice 2: by the amount of tidal effects on the observation well, and I would imagine if there are wells

[1:54:06] Voice 2: that are monitored in further field from the central well, there would be no noticeable

[1:54:17] Voice 2: effects, which would mean that the effects would be probably likely less than one centimeter of

[1:54:22] Voice 2: available head. And that would likely be obscured by well-to-well interference from wells that are

[1:54:31] Voice 2: more proximal. Meaning if the wells down near the coast were measured, they would likely experience

[1:54:40] Voice 2: well-to-well interference from each other rather than from the central well somewhere

[1:54:50] Voice 9: i saw that

[1:54:52] Voice 9: there was an indication that there was no evidence or conclusion of any uh salt water intrusion into

[1:55:07] Voice 9: the into the one the um the central well and i i know we know that that's you know we've got the

[1:55:16] Voice 9: the 125 but and and how is there another way you can you can judge that from the data so

[1:55:26] Voice 2: unfortunately i think i'm just reviewing it again um that chloride was not um that analysis wasn't

[1:55:36] Voice 2: done um however if if there was saltwater intrusion the conductivity would be elevated

[1:55:46] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:55:46] Voice 2: yeah, yeah. So, so there is no, there is no available data that that shows that there is saltwater intrusion.

[1:55:59] Voice 2: um the the one um i will state that that with with any um aquifer that is um associated with

[1:56:13] Voice 2: coastline that the operation of of adjacent wells can cause salt water intrusion into other wells

[1:56:22] Voice 2: um the that's usually wells that are in proximity so um several wells that are down the hill from

[1:56:34] Voice 2: central well and say if the observation well was the main source of water since the observation

[1:56:43] Voice 2: well has tidally dominated effects it's possible that the removal of water from that well could

[1:56:51] Voice 2: cause differential pressure through the aquifer that then could potentially cause a multiplied

[1:56:59] Voice 2: drawdown effect if there is over pumping from another adjacent well to cause saltwater intrusion

[1:57:06] Voice 2: But since the central well has been identified as not having tidal effects or very muted tidal effects, that that's likely pumping.

[1:57:25] Voice 2: For this well, the proposed sustainable yield is a factor and quite low in the flow through well.

[1:57:41] Voice 2: well that we're that the amount of water that's being removed is that the drawdown effect is just

[1:57:47] Voice 2: to combat the inefficiencies of the fracture rather than drawing water from down the hill

[1:57:53] Voice 2: it's likely just intercepting water from up or the the um the influence of pressure is likely

[1:58:05] Voice 2: not radial and it is in one in more pronounced in one direction that's likely going to be uphill

[1:58:13] Voice 2: pill.

[1:58:18] Voice 10: William, I just had a question. You were talking about chloride. Yes.

[1:58:22] Voice 10: There is a reference

[1:58:23] Voice 10: to chloride in the chemical analysis of the water. That's the 12.1 on page two in the 2015

[1:58:34] Voice 11: report. Why

[1:58:36] Voice 2: didn't I see that? Oh, there it is. Sorry. I was looking in metals. Yeah, you're

[1:58:41] Voice 2: right um so oh sorry about that they they he didn't do that enough my fault um it was hidden

[1:58:48] Voice 2: there like hydroxy it wasn't in it wasn't in um alphabetical order um okay uh yeah so the um

[1:58:55] Voice 2: the drinking water standard for chloride is uh well at during that time is 250 i believe since

[1:59:04] Voice 2: since 2015, they've lowered it to 230.

[1:59:08] Voice 2: And so the chloride was the analysis

[1:59:11] Voice 2: of pumped well sample was 12.

[1:59:14] Voice 2: And so that would just match the ambient.

[1:59:19] Voice 2: Likely that chloride coming from shale horizons in the area

[1:59:23] Voice 2: and ambient background, I would be more alarmed

[1:59:29] Voice 2: if it reached the three digit mark of 100.

[1:59:33] Voice 2: But for the purposes of saltwater intrusion from the guidance document, I believe that once it gets elevated above the drinking water in concert with sodium, then it will identify saltwater intrusion.

[1:59:56] Voice 2: But again, in this case.

[2:00:00] Voice 2: analysis is pointing to fresh older groundwater thank

[2:00:06] Voice 6: you so

[2:00:08] Voice 9: one other well I may have other

[2:00:12] Voice 9: questions but one of my other questions is um nicely colored maps that you've done the orange

[2:00:23] Voice 9: and red and green in terms of uh groundwater availability project but not quite I I guess

[2:00:33] Voice 9: i've never been entirely certain what it means when you say that an area is high vulnerability

[2:00:42] Voice 9: and i know you wrote and i saw some of the response you wrote that said that that's not

[2:00:46] Voice 9: necessarily a moratorium it just means you'd be more cautious and and you're thinking but

[2:00:52] Voice 9: can you can you sort of this north uh west area of the island in fact uh

[2:01:01] Voice 9: yeah a lot of it is color-coded red and and can you tell us what from in your studies and what

[2:01:10] Voice 9: your work is what that actually means is that mostly around lack of water or is it about salt

[2:01:18] Voice 9: water intrusion or is it both or what's what's the what's the reason that it's it's classified

[2:01:25] Voice 9: by this class one high wall oh

[2:01:29] Voice 2: great i appreciate that question um so as you know uh this um in the

[2:01:36] Voice 2: last few years we have contracted out for groundwater recharge mapping and then in the

[2:01:44] Voice 2: southern gulf islands a a regional approach to groundwater availability assessments and in in

[2:01:54] Voice 2: In these northern regions, in the Southern Gulf Islands, the northern regions of Galliano get the most rainfall out of the majority of the Southern Gulf Islands.

[2:02:04] Voice 2: Maybe on the mountains of Salt Spring get a little bit more, but largely there is a lot of favorable recharge that happens in this area, which is supporting the very dense demand in this area.

[2:02:21] Voice 2: There's many wells and also there so that the balance of having significant recharge, but then somewhat significant water use and the water use is an estimate.

[2:02:38] Voice 2: That's fair. And so that is only one component of it.

[2:02:42] Voice 2: And in the GW Solutions report, they have identified that this area, that the water balance is using a higher significant amount of the recharge.

[2:02:54] Voice 2: So that alone likely wouldn't classify this area as highly vulnerable.

[2:03:00] Voice 2: That analysis was done by myself, and it did include an analysis of well density, as well as the potential saltwater intrusion, which was the driving force to identify this area as highly vulnerable.

[2:03:17] Voice 2: And if you're looking at the Mr. Coates report on page 10 and look at the site map and just all of the wells that are identified below the proposed development, there is many wells and they're right on the coast and almost all of them are below sea level.

[2:03:41] Voice 2: And the potential to have well-to-well interference in these areas, they are privately, like these wells are privately managed public resource.

[2:03:55] Voice 2: And so there is, there's likely no harmonization over pumping times, over pumping rates, and everyone is their own water manager on their own property.

[2:04:09] Voice 2: and and that that highly vulnerable and that's mostly due to saltwater intrusion on the coast

[2:04:20] Voice 9: for the applicant i don't know if you have no

[2:04:23] Voice 10: go ahead thank

[2:04:26] Voice 9: you all for being here i just wanted

[2:04:27] Voice 9: to i want i want to um sorry i thought william was going to go longer

[2:04:36] Voice 9: i

[2:04:36] Voice 2: could go on i know

[2:04:38] Voice 9: i know let's um let me just i i was looking at the water management plan

[2:04:44] Voice 9: and i'm i'm guessing mr erickson might want to answer this but or maybe you can't i didn't

[2:04:52] Voice 9: understand um the statement on page 108 of the plan which which is page 20 sorry that's the

[2:05:01] Voice 9: page 22 of the plan um where it's talking about sustainable well yield um and then

[2:05:10] Voice 9: and it talks about a small period weeks 32 through 35 and i didn't quite understand what that was all

[2:05:20] Voice 9: about um i mean in terms of why why there's a shortfall i mean i understood that you know

[2:05:27] Voice 9: when i'm talking about storage but i didn't quite get what it was about weeks 32 to 35 and how we

[2:05:33] Voice 9: know that and um and so if someone can help me understand that part of it because it's the only

[2:05:41] Voice 9: place where you sort of show where it looks like you think we're short of water after it um and i

[2:05:48] Voice 9: think i'll let you speak um okay so core character would be the best person to see this

[2:05:56] Voice 9: However, I can attempt to do that.

[2:06:02] Voice 9: My understanding, having not done the detailed models, et cetera, but my understanding is

[2:06:10] Voice 9: that we've got a hybrid system that uses the well to cover all of the potable water, and

[2:06:21] Voice 9: it uses rainwater attachment to cover all of the non-potable water.

[2:06:27] Voice 9: right right you're catching rain on that roof and then you're storing that

[2:06:33] Voice 8: rain in tanks

[2:06:33] Voice 8: and so the way gordon is designing this um that shortfall represents a period of time

[2:06:42] Voice 8: where the rainwater

[2:06:44] Voice 9: catchment um the design the amount of storage and etc etc for that

[2:06:50] Voice 9: rainwater catchment um does not provide enough water to cover all of the non-potable needs

[2:06:58] Voice 9: does that make sense oh so

[2:07:02] Voice 8: that okay so that's not the

[2:07:03] Voice 9: well that's no that's the non-bottom

[2:07:07] Voice 9: there's

[2:07:08] Voice 8: some other periods

[2:07:09] Voice 9: around that seven week period where the rainwater catchment

[2:07:16] Voice 9: storage does not provide enough for the non-bottom use but it gets popped up at a

[2:07:22] Voice 9: triple rate by the well okay does that make sense so and when we talk about weeks 32 to

[2:07:31] Voice 9: 35 we're really talking like august december when when we're when there is predictably a very low

[2:07:38] Voice 9: very low rainfall and therefore a very little recharge of the water right and so one of the

[2:07:46] Planner Testemale: things

[2:07:46] Voice 9: i have learned is that october is actually considered to be the lowest recharge for groundwater

[2:07:53] Voice 9: yes but not for rainwater right so there's two different lobes there's rainwater lobes august

[2:08:02] Voice 9: the groundwater lobe is later in the year right so what ford has done is he's just created some

[2:08:12] Voice 9: extra storage tanks that he's that crystal mountain would fill up over the winter when

[2:08:19] Voice 9: there's less demand and more water that would carry them through that period over the summer

[2:08:28] Voice 9: for the non-potable use okay i

[2:08:31] Voice 5: think i understand they

[2:08:32] Voice 9: could also they

[2:08:33] Voice 2: could also create a bigger

[2:08:35] Voice 2: roof and just have more

[2:08:37] Voice 9: storage there's different ways you could meet that demand but that's how

[2:08:43] Voice 9: how these skills need to represent.

[2:08:47] Voice 9: And can you describe how, or maybe you can,

[2:08:59] Voice 9: and again, I can ask this question and it's more appropriate

[2:09:02] Voice 9: for the author to provide the information,

[2:09:04] Voice 9: but do you know how they came up with the new numbers

[2:09:09] Voice 9: around daily demand that are, I'll say slightly,

[2:09:16] Voice 9: but it's marginally higher than,

[2:09:20] Voice 9: percentages higher than the original number but how they came up with those new numbers

[2:09:28] Voice 9: um yeah so there's a document as um actually

[2:09:34] Voice 8: i mean george explained my understanding again

[2:09:36] Voice 8: is that he uh

[2:09:39] Voice 9: looked at the fixtures that are in the buildings and such um and you know look

[2:09:47] Voice 9: at flow rates and the number of people using those pictures and all that kind of thing

[2:09:51] Voice 9: and he came up with an estimate of water and it's quite a bit higher than what had been originally

[2:10:01] Voice 9: determined in the he

[2:10:07] Voice 2: also tied those numbers to the provincial standards from the i can't remember

[2:10:14] Voice 2: what the document

[2:10:15] Voice 9: is called but it's like a standard for sewerage numbers that you would use

[2:10:21] Voice 9: to develop a septic field um and so he tied it fairly closely to those numbers as a variation

[2:10:33] Voice 9: but they're right numbers and so he did an independent assessment of stuff that he requested

[2:10:43] Voice 9: and that's what he came up with okay it's quite a bit higher than and you know i mean it is what it

[2:10:52] Voice 9: is yeah yeah it's a question as much for staff as it is for anybody else and i don't know if

[2:11:00] Voice 9: anybody else has found this um whenever i when i try to go into the appendices through the agenda

[2:11:09] Voice 9: it didn't work and i i don't know if members of the public are having that same concern that they

[2:11:16] Voice 9: can't get into the appendages and i'm saying nods that they're that that's not it's not available so

[2:11:23] Voice 9: i think we need to i don't think i know we need to fix that and i actually went through another

[2:11:29] Voice 9: two different routes to try and find them and it's only because somewhere online we've gotten

[2:11:36] Voice 9: emails that attached as an attachment and that i was able to see any of them that's all really

[2:11:43] Voice 9: really important information on all those appendices.

[2:11:47] Voice 9: So we need to fix that link.

[2:11:49] Voice 9: It should be, I just, that's for their Google Drive account

[2:11:56] Voice 9: where those are posted.

[2:11:58] Voice 9: So he shared those links and they got checked.

[2:12:01] Voice 9: So really what should be done is they should get downloaded

[2:12:03] Voice 9: and then as opposed to putting the links.

[2:12:05] Voice 9: Right.

[2:12:06] Voice 9: I'm not sure.

[2:12:07] Voice 9: I'm not, Peter, I just know I was a little frustrated

[2:12:12] Voice 9: it as i was going through because i'm reading and the reports are there and it's talking about

[2:12:16] Voice 9: the various uh reports and i couldn't find i couldn't get through to the links until my

[2:12:22] Voice 9: friend trustee wilberton sent me another email that had them somehow they've been attached to

[2:12:27] Voice 9: something i don't know what it was like i was looking for chief harris's correspondence for

[2:12:32] Voice 9: example i like so

[2:12:33] Voice 9: i acknowledge that it probably i'm sure it says what it says it says i was

[2:12:39] Voice 9: interested in reading so um trustee will be asking a lot of questions do you have any questions

[2:12:46] Voice 9: um

[2:12:47] Voice 10: i wondered whether there was i i when i was looking at the design guidelines for rural

[2:12:57] Voice 3: residential community water systems they make reference to bed units

[2:13:02] Voice 3: and uh so

[2:13:03] Voice 10: bed units being uh how they determine um the amount of water that's needed and I did

[2:13:12] Voice 10: what I noticed it was kind of interesting I don't know if this was factored in uh by Gord Baird was

[2:13:17] Voice 10: it they consider a dorm or a hostel bed as a 0.5 as opposed to a 1.0 so I don't know if that

[2:13:25] Voice 10: But is it factored in there or not?

[2:13:30] Voice 3: Because

[2:13:31] Voice 10: it was interesting to me that there is a distinction.

[2:13:38] Voice 9: I don't know.

[2:13:40] Voice 9: I

[2:13:41] Voice 10: think William showed us to that in the last meeting in terms of the communal style facilities where cooking is centralized

[2:13:53] Voice 10: and the huts aren't seen as full living quarters that that that was part of determining water use

[2:14:06] Voice 10: did

[2:14:09] Voice 2: you hear the question uh i heard a statement on a question

[2:14:17] Voice 10: uh

[2:14:18] Voice 11: i guess the question well from the applicant was

[2:14:22] Voice 11: um or or

[2:14:24] Voice 10: was the comment was that you might have referred to that

[2:14:30] Voice 11: last time and i don't remember

[2:14:31] Voice 11: that uh that communal um facilities would have a lower uh a lower water use uh

[2:14:43] Voice 2: okay uh thanks

[2:14:44] Voice 2: through the chair i mean we i think it's it's pretty obvious that with all of us who use water

[2:14:51] Voice 2: on a daily basis that um the water that we pour into our cup is a fraction of what occurred in

[2:14:59] Voice 2: washing clothes and the like so the um and looking at other affordable housing strategies on the

[2:15:08] Voice 2: island and across the island's trust area that when there are these combined systems that the

[2:15:13] Voice 2: that the average daily demand is decreased per person.

[2:15:20] Voice 2: This is a very difficult project to determine

[2:15:27] Voice 2: what the water demand is per person.

[2:15:30] Voice 2: And for this part, the Island's Trust is not occupancy

[2:15:36] Voice 2: rather than dwelling unit.

[2:15:38] Voice 2: And then in this case, that's difficult too,

[2:15:41] Voice 2: because it's tied to occupancy here.

[2:15:46] Voice 2: So, largely, the water demand is the professional reliance of the consultants that are retained by the applicant, and it's likely that those reliance and professional guidance can be tested.

[2:16:10] Voice 2: The water use potential of that through either the licensing process, because we don't even know how much water the license will afford the project, as well as it could be curtailed in a 219 covenant.

[2:16:34] Voice 2: The one, if I were to caution perhaps into the LTC or violent stress in general, where I deviate from my profession of hydrogeology is I am not convinced that having a liters per minute sustainable yield of a groundwater well that can provide that being equated to a daily rate by a way that the well is pumped 24 hours a day,

[2:17:11] Voice 2: seven days a week and for those who are who have their own well on their property and perhaps like

[2:17:20] Voice 2: mine you can hear when your well pump goes on it's definitely not the case on a domestic property

[2:17:27] Voice 2: there are these spurts of well use and the well either fills storage which is the best

[2:17:34] Voice 2: management practice and fill storage for a short period of time and then turns off and the water

[2:17:39] Voice 2: levels are allowed to recover until the next time that well turns on and as i read the water

[2:17:45] Voice 2: management plan for crystal mountain and the other affordable housing strategies on on galliano island

[2:17:51] Voice 2: the sustainable yield is just automatically equated to a 24-hour day period whereby that

[2:18:00] Voice 2: the wells are proposed to be pumped for 24 hours of course to meet the maximum daily demand

[2:18:04] Voice 2: but that is just one caution that i have to almost every affordable housing strategy that i've seen

[2:18:11] Voice 2: and and actually any rezoning that has been presented in the island's trust since i started

[2:18:18] Voice 2: and so there is one way around that and that's increasing

[2:18:29] Voice 9: and thank you for that i'd like to

[2:18:32] Voice 9: make sure i understand it does that mean that what you're saying is is that the actual draw

[2:18:39] Voice 9: would be less because the pump would not operate at that level it would operate infrequently or

[2:18:46] Voice 9: or are you saying something else?

[2:18:49] Voice 2: What I'm saying is that when maximum daily demand

[2:18:53] Voice 2: is basically equated to the sustainable yield

[2:19:00] Voice 2: and even with the factor of safety,

[2:19:02] Voice 2: all of, like in this case, it's equating 2.8 litres per minute,

[2:19:09] Voice 2: which the pump would be restricted to remove that water

[2:19:13] Voice 2: at that sustainable rate,

[2:19:15] Voice 2: which means that the water level in the well

[2:19:18] Voice 2: won't won't drop significantly to reach the first producing fracture but then that liters per minute

[2:19:26] Voice 2: is just times by 3600 which gives you 4069 liters per day and and then it's it's that

[2:19:34] Voice 2: leaderage that then is like put into the water management plan and so what what can happen is

[2:19:42] Voice 2: when there's increased storage then that maximum daily demand would come from the storage and then

[2:19:47] Voice 2: Also, when you add alternative water supplies like non-potable use with rainwater or greywater recycling, that just lowers the daily demand on the groundwater well.

[2:20:03] Voice 2: If the daily demand on the groundwater well drops to 2,000 litres per day, then that means that it's likely that the pump will only turn on intermittently, maybe for an hour at a time, six times a day or something like that.

[2:20:20] Voice 2: here and and the reason why that's an issue is that water levels to recover the chances of then

[2:20:30] Voice 2: having in the groundwater region have the wells on at the same time and then the aquifer reach

[2:20:38] Voice 2: reaches a critically low pressure is when you get salt water intrusion so likely if if if there is a

[2:20:47] Voice 2: high concern of salt water intrusion on the area then there needs to be some sort of community

[2:20:51] Voice 2: effort to determine that and and just like in in big cities where you have odd number of people

[2:20:59] Voice 2: on one side of the street watering their lawns in the summer and the evening and the evens on the

[2:21:04] Voice 2: other day that's exactly what they're doing they're distributing demand and that doesn't

[2:21:08] Voice 2: happen with ground so the what i am i'm encouraged by the crystal mountain identifying alternative

[2:21:20] Voice 2: alternative water supply to support the groundwater well,

[2:21:25] Voice 2: especially in the non-potable.

[2:21:27] Voice 2: And the best management practice is increased storage

[2:21:32] Voice 2: and lowering the amount of daily demand

[2:21:35] Voice 2: on the groundwater well.

[2:21:38] Voice 9: Sorry, just a couple of other questions.

[2:21:40] Voice 9: One is, because I don't know what provincial well license,

[2:21:46] Voice 9: do they put a maximum pump rate on when they grant a license?

[2:21:51] Voice 9: because you mentioned it won't be pumped at more than whatever it is 2.8 years is that the way a

[2:21:57] Voice 9: lot of licenses go or is it based on a maximum number of uh this is going to be a commercial

[2:22:04] Voice 9: well license so um how

[2:22:08] Voice 2: does that work it really depends yeah i um thank you for that question it

[2:22:13] Voice 2: It really depends on the license.

[2:22:15] Voice 2: Often they're annual volumes.

[2:22:22] Voice 2: I have seen licenses that have it as well as an annual volume.

[2:22:27] Voice 2: They'll have a daily demand volume.

[2:22:30] Voice 2: I haven't seen many where they suggest a sustainable yield in liters per minute.

[2:22:38] Voice 2: It's more of a volume requirement rather than a rate requirement.

[2:22:45] Voice 2: environment so I know that they're kind of the same thing liters per day but that's more

[2:22:48] Voice 2: in the course of a day you can remove water but I have seen especially in areas of known

[2:22:57] Voice 2: saltwater intrusion well they'll put a limit on the pumping rate but that's that's a little bit

[2:23:03] Voice 2: more rare because it's hard for the province to monitor that or have the applicant or the operator

[2:23:13] Voice 2: monitor that and provide that information back to the province they'll have either a usually just

[2:23:20] Voice 2: require a flow meter and have the applicant report annually how much water they've taken

[2:23:27] Voice 2: but in in more industrial settings i have seen a daily limit on water removal but that's the

[2:23:36] Voice 2: province that does that that's the province that does that yeah ministry of whoever now i think

[2:23:42] Voice 2: it's land water and natural water yeah even though the hydrogeologists are still over administrated

[2:23:50] Voice 2: for us

[2:23:53] Voice 9: which we were told that i was at a meeting on friday that the acronym for that is land wars

[2:24:02] Voice 9: which is not a very good acronym they need to work on that um and the uh and and just can you

[2:24:11] Voice 9: Can you talk a little bit about what role ongoing monitoring would play in, I mean, I think I know, but I'd like to hear you say it.

[2:24:21] Voice 9: What kind of role, if they have an ongoing data monitor, log monitor, and observation well, what roles those play in any future water use and protection of the well and surrounding wells?

[2:24:38] Voice 9: Sure.

[2:24:40] Voice 2: Yeah, it's a great question. So monitoring will definitely directly benefit the well operator to understand not only the timing of recharge, but also identifying if there is, I guess it's to identify conservation levels.

[2:25:06] Voice 2: So, in the fall time when groundwater levels are low, and if there's a noticeable change in behavior of the well, then there can be a mitigation measure for that.

[2:25:23] Voice 2: It can either be in real time, and there's a change in water use in real time, or upon an audit over the year.

[2:25:33] Voice 2: So just an example, I won't mention names, but there's a company on Salt Spring Island that delivers water to those who run out of water in the summertime, and they have a groundwater well.

[2:25:47] Voice 2: And I've been monitoring that well for four years now.

[2:25:50] Voice 2: now and my data logger was set at 80 feet below surface and it was just this last summer that I

[2:25:58] Voice 2: had to lower it to 200 feet below service to try to catch the bottom of their on their pump

[2:26:06] Voice 2: just because they're it wasn't because their static water level drops so low it's just their

[2:26:11] Voice 2: well was working so much harder to try to produce the same amount of water so their

[2:26:15] Voice 2: their displacement during pumping increased like threefold and so there's a lot of reasons for that

[2:26:21] Voice 2: And likely one of the reasons is that they have biofouling in their fracture and they need to have some sort of well maintenance to try to kind of make the well more efficient.

[2:26:35] Voice 2: So water level monitoring in concert with flow monitoring, those two can determine efficiency and it's likely that be serviced in the future and monitoring could apply that in any given year servicing would need to happen.

[2:27:00] Voice 2: in um and also over time it could just determine um the from from the non-pumping times just ambient

[2:27:10] Voice 2: um water levels from from the aquifer to see over time how the aquifer is behaving with

[2:27:18] Voice 2: with the uh with the change in climate or the land use changes and other parts of the of the

[2:27:24] Voice 2: groundwater region um but for the most part it's an operational thing like say in alberta you can't

[2:27:30] Voice 2: get a water license without groundwater monitoring and we just don't do that here so it it's likely

[2:27:36] Voice 2: that the province will not require that as part of their license and if that is a requirement it

[2:27:42] Voice 2: would have to come from the ltc and it's section 219 covenant and and also there is a difference

[2:27:49] Voice 2: between monitoring and reporting and monitoring and recording so monitoring and recording is like

[2:27:56] Voice 2: if anybody has a small business you know you have to keep receipts for seven years or whatever just

[2:28:00] Voice 2: in case you get audited and that's kind of the same thing that you monitor and you and you record

[2:28:05] Voice 2: you can use the monitoring or i'm saying you sorry the applicant or the developer can use

[2:28:11] Voice 2: or the operator can use the monitoring for their own use but by recording and storing that data

[2:28:16] Voice 2: it can be called upon and that might actually be a benefit to to the operator if there is a

[2:28:23] Voice 2: another water license that is proposed in the same groundwater region and

[2:28:30] Voice 2: the operator can provide those data to the province as part of their adjudication for

[2:28:36] Voice 2: a new groundwater license in the area or if there is a significant change in land use

[2:28:43] Voice 2: in the area like clear cutting then at least some background data to identify if there is

[2:28:50] Voice 2: is significant change in the behavior of the groundwater region due to changes of recharge

[2:28:57] Voice 2: there's many many um many benefits to looking thank

[2:29:06] Voice 9: you sorry i was actually going to

[2:29:12] Voice 9: suggest because i haven't actually let the applicant speak yet whether there's anything

[2:29:17] Voice 9: you'd like to to say at this point in terms of the application or rather the process or

[2:29:26] Voice 6: It's important to, well, first, thank

[2:29:37] Voice 3: you, William and Shola,

[2:29:38] Voice 11: for showing

[2:29:42] Voice 3: up here today.

[2:29:43] Voice 3: I think that you've all been interested

[2:29:46] Voice 10: in your expertise and your explanations of why things have unfolded the way they have.

[2:29:57] Voice 10: And I think it's really important to mention...

[2:30:00] Voice 10: again that crystal mountain society really it's in our own best interest to be understanding how

[2:30:11] Voice 10: our water works how how much does our well produce

[2:30:15] Voice 3: and we have some understanding about

[2:30:17] Voice 3: how much we

[2:30:18] Voice 10: have used in the past because we have monitored that um going forward um we want to be

[2:30:25] Voice 10: be prepared for, you know, we want a buffer like that has been

[2:30:31] Voice 10: built in. And I think that, you know, it's worth saying again,

[2:30:35] Voice 10: that our interest is the same as the community's because it is

[2:30:41] Voice 10: our own well. And I guess I would just, I feel like I need a

[2:30:47] Voice 10: little bit of a recap here in terms of understanding what I

[2:30:52] Voice 10: I understand, Mr. Shola, you're saying that from the testing that's been done, which is

[2:30:59] Voice 10: the test has concluded that we are not affecting neighbors' wells, and that we are above the

[2:31:14] Voice 10: we are high enough that we are not incurring saltwater intrusions.

[2:31:24] Voice 2: William is deep in thought.

[2:31:28] Voice 2: uh okay um through the chair so that is that's not what the tests have said because they're just

[2:31:38] Voice 2: it's it's a test of the likelihood of those things happening not if they're happening or not

[2:31:44] Voice 2: so the likelihood of interference is is low and the likelihood of saltwater intrusion

[2:31:54] Voice 2: diffusion into the central well is low um and so that's it's it's a likelihood not an absolute

[2:32:07] Voice 2: any hydrogeology is it's you know it's errors in

[2:32:12] Voice 2: in in the in in the scale of magnitudes

[2:32:16] Voice 2: so i often tell my students when i teach on hydrogeology imagine you go to a grocery store

[2:32:22] Voice 2: and you put a bag underneath the organic almonds and you just like let it rip for two seconds and

[2:32:27] Voice 2: And then you go to the counter and say, I don't know, charge me for 100 grams or 10 kilograms like that.

[2:32:33] Voice 2: That's that's the error associated error with with hydrogeology.

[2:32:38] Voice 2: And that's just that's just the nature of the science.

[2:32:42] Voice 2: So I understand that there is this need to address hydrogeology in the lens of other scientific professions, but it's just it's a unique science.

[2:32:56] Voice 2: And so all these tests are likelihood. The only absolute is monitoring. So if there's monitoring, then at least these tests and these likelihoods can be monitored. And over time, that leads to sustainability.

[2:33:19] Voice 2: ability so what what often pumping tests do is that they stress the aquifer beyond the um the

[2:33:33] Voice 2: intended use to try to force and in the case and the and the following analysis is low for

[2:34:02] Voice 9: i'll just note that um i could ask to be here today but he is teaching

[2:34:10] Voice 9: change unable to attend so he couldn't come um but he has committed to attending any cim that gets

[2:34:18] Voice 9: scheduled um should that occur and we'll be able to completely run through the plan that's been

[2:34:25] Voice 9: created and answer any questions if you have specific questions feel free to pass them on

[2:34:33] Voice 9: and i can pass them thank you um so i've sort of run out of questions for william

[2:34:45] we've taken a bit of an almost an hour with this but i wanted to just address uh if there's

[2:34:50] Voice 9: anything we uh can do today um and maybe involve uh the rpm in this discussion as well there there's

[2:35:04] Voice 9: clearly there's a there is a we've received a fair amount of feedback um and the letter from

[2:35:13] Voice 9: from the 51, 54, whatever the number is,

[2:35:17] Voice 9: neighbors that express their concern for their water

[2:35:20] Voice 9: and expressing a desire to serve.

[2:35:23] Voice 9: And there seems to be some disconnect

[2:35:26] Voice 9: between what I'm hearing from Mr. Shilpa

[2:35:32] Voice 9: and from Mr. Kohut,

[2:35:33] Voice 9: and what the neighbors believe might be the case.

[2:35:36] Voice 9: And I do think that there's a wonder

[2:35:41] Voice 9: about whether we can find a way to try and bridge at least some of that disconnect i'm not saying

[2:35:47] Voice 9: we'll get total agreement on what the appropriate steps are uh i think mr schilder is very clear

[2:35:56] Voice 9: there are no just according to him there are no absolutes except monitoring in relation to this

[2:36:03] Voice 9: which gives you absolute data but i don't know if

[2:36:07] Voice 9: you have any ideas about that i think i heard you

[2:36:10] Voice 9: say something earlier that perhaps we could do uh some sort of a uh a summation or an addition

[2:36:17] Voice 9: an addendum to the agenda to the staff reporting related to some of the questions that have been

[2:36:23] Voice 9: asked some of the requests that have been made um and etc yeah that was basically

[2:36:29] Voice 8: my suggestion is

[2:36:30] Voice 8: to correlate the questions that have come from the trustees and maybe some of the terms of correspondence

[2:36:36] Voice 8: and put

[2:36:39] Voice 9: together a single block, presumably, and bring that to the LTC at the next fair,

[2:36:51] Voice 6: rather than, you know, for relief.

[2:37:02] Voice 10: Well, given that this, if this proposal went ahead, it

[2:37:07] Voice 3: would not go, it wouldn't be 100%, you know, in two months or whatever.

[2:37:13] Voice 3: is there ever um a consideration of a

[2:37:19] Voice 11: phased sort of uh proposal tied to uh water monitoring

[2:37:25] Voice 11: that would indicate sort of uh

[2:37:31] Voice 10: you know whether whether a maximum say say this went ahead and

[2:37:35] Voice 10: there were you know uh 10

[2:37:39] Voice 3: huts on the property and then a maximum was hit but like is there

[2:37:44] Voice 3: ever a consideration for those kinds of basic things yep

[2:37:49] Voice 8: so a mechanism could be you know

[2:37:51] Voice 8: but the covenant restricts the

[2:37:57] Voice 9: number of affinity initiated

[2:38:00] Voice 9: as way to a lower number until such time as whatever

[2:38:09] Voice 6: whatever the solutions

[2:38:11] Voice 9: is one of the things i noted from uh planner smith's report was suggested because there's

[2:38:24] Voice 9: now this sort of backlog of water licenses uh i think he said it might be up to a year before

[2:38:33] Voice 9: the water licenses prove that you could make to make production of any bylaw changes condition

[2:38:39] Voice 9: along the water license fee uh so that's a form of that although you're different because because

[2:38:45] Voice 9: what you're talking about is something that would be built into a covenant that says you know if you

[2:38:52] Voice 9: want to see where your water usage is what kind of impact what kind of monitoring you're showing

[2:38:57] Voice 9: what kind of usage if it's good then go ahead and continue the next five or something something

[2:39:02] Voice 9: will come a little more complicated like that yeah i mean i suppose that's the mechanism

[2:39:12] Voice 9: is we haven't considered that to allow sort of cali number he just called it 10 years ago now

[2:39:22] Voice 6: certain number units i'm

[2:39:31] Voice 9: sorry they never built any of that no

[2:39:33] Voice 9: no i don't but that was the

[2:39:35] Voice 9: conceptual design it was kind of okay

[2:39:38] Voice 6: you'd

[2:39:43] Voice 9: see that it could work for some projects some

[2:39:46] Voice 9: developments but not others where it's sort of all in or not um but it could maybe this would

[2:39:52] Voice 9: you want but i don't know i mean i guess my question

[2:39:56] Voice 9: is now talking as our ltc discussing

[2:39:59] Voice 9: what we can and can't do is is if we were going if we were going to ask for the reporting would it be

[2:40:05] Voice 9: a good idea to make a motion to give you some direction to add some further reporting

[2:40:14] Voice 5: yes yeah so

[2:40:16] Voice 9: we should come up with a motion and we could even ask for alternatives around

[2:40:21] Voice 9: a phased approach to the project if that's something you're wishing to pursue

[2:40:27] Voice 9: i don't want to decide that because i make a decision that that's what it's going to be

[2:40:32] Voice 9: and we aren't going to make any decisions but that would be wrong but

[2:40:36] Voice 9: we could put something into a motion that's nothing like um the ltc requests staff to provide

[2:40:47] Voice 9: further reporting addressing trustees questions and uh community input related to um uh the well

[2:41:00] Voice 9: data and maybe and then and alternatives for a phased approach to development or something like

[2:41:10] Voice 9: that and then we could sort of see what kind of reporting comes back and we can sit with with

[2:41:17] Voice 9: with Trustee Rockefeller we can talk about

[2:41:20] Voice 9: is that actually something that we are interested in,

[2:41:24] Voice 9: presuming we might go forward at all.

[2:41:27] Voice 9: Gets a little more complicated at that point,

[2:41:29] Voice 9: the Deception 219 covenant that becomes sort of key,

[2:41:32] Voice 9: I mean, it's key anyway,

[2:41:34] Voice 9: but it becomes very key to any rezoning at that point.

[2:41:38] Voice 9: I mean, because that's the mechanism

[2:41:40] Voice 9: by which you control that type of thing.

[2:41:43] Voice 9: You say, yes, you can, but no, you can't.

[2:41:51] i

[2:41:52] Voice 5: think that yeah

[2:41:53] Voice 9: i mean that'd probably be a good idea in any case presuming we agree to it

[2:41:58] Voice 9: to the upper ridge anyway because there's going to have to be some conditions we know there it's

[2:42:03] Voice 9: an unvaluable permit area you know it's um uh there's going to have to be a dp granted for

[2:42:09] Voice 9: that before anything can occur up there in terms of development um so am i wrong i thought it was

[2:42:16] Voice 9: it's an ndp development permit area i'm pretty sure i don't think so i thought it was i thought

[2:42:24] Voice 9: i thought we had this conversation a while ago i thought brad said yes it is a development permit

[2:42:29] Voice 9: area that part of it is not the whole of it but part of it's in the development

[2:42:34] Voice 9: be perfect um but not where any of the any of the development is that's specifically outside

[2:42:47] Voice 9: okay i'll have to if i can consider that that's not necessarily something that you have to decide

[2:42:52] Voice 9: so currently you're a much better drafter emotions than i am i saw you start typing

[2:42:58] Voice 9: in that pocket um

[2:43:00] Voice 2: rogers just a friendly amendment maybe not ground water data but groundwater

[2:43:05] Voice 2: resources just to not focus

[2:43:07] Voice 9: yeah yeah

[2:43:08] Voice 2: let's let's see what carly

[2:43:10] Voice 9: carly's got because she

[2:43:12] Voice 9: as i said drafts better than i do so um

[2:43:15] Voice 4: you said that the galleon lcc requests

[2:43:18] Voice 11: reporting addressing trusted questions and community input related to the groundwater

[2:43:23] Voice 11: water resources and alternatives for a basic question development does

[2:43:29] Voice 9: that address what

[2:43:30] Voice 9: you were talking about yeah how about you just be yeah well didn't you have something else you'd like

[2:43:37] Voice 9: to add to that um

[2:43:38] Voice 10: no i think that that's um i think that captures it you

[2:43:45] Voice 9: want to channel

[2:43:45] Voice 9: old player smith and see if he'd be happy with that motion

[2:43:49] Voice 9: yeah exactly um and then when we come back on maybe hopefully you could do it

[2:44:00] Voice 9: and this we can do it at this time i think we're next year january june the 6th um so it gives

[2:44:06] Voice 9: is five weeks, I might be able to down that.

[2:44:12] Voice 9: And I really wanna encourage an attempt to try

[2:44:17] Voice 9: and sort of resolve whatever that disconnect is

[2:44:21] Voice 9: that's going on right now,

[2:44:22] Voice 9: because I've read it all and I've listened to Mr. Shulwood,

[2:44:29] Voice 9: I've read all of the letters

[2:44:30] Voice 9: and all of the material that's going on

[2:44:33] Voice 9: and I've heard the concerns

[2:44:35] Voice 9: and there's nothing I've taken, I don't know.

[2:44:40] Voice 9: I take extremely seriously people's concern

[2:44:44] Voice 9: about their water resource.

[2:44:46] And I think it's a legitimate word for everybody

[2:44:52] to be concerned about water.

[2:44:57] Voice 9: Doesn't mean that necessarily the specific issues

[2:45:01] Voice 9: are well-founded or not, or they might be,

[2:45:03] Voice 9: but that people are legitimately concerned about uh water um so i've got a motion and a seconder

[2:45:12] Voice 9: and is there any further discussion okay so all the costs is unanimous so thank you

[2:45:19] Voice 9: i don't have anything more to suggest we do today i don't want to i thank you for your suggestion

[2:45:24] Voice 9: about the the one versus six days but i don't want to decide that i think that's very much in

[2:45:31] Voice 9: my mind of a local trustee issue i don't really i don't really have a point of view or a decision

[2:45:38] Voice 9: point for myself about that i have a point of view but i don't i think it's a local issue so i don't

[2:45:43] Voice 9: really want to decide that is there anything else that you think uh argument that we could talk

[2:45:48] Voice 9: about or decide at this point um chair

[2:45:53] Voice 2: rogers i have one question of the applicant um this

[2:45:58] Voice 9: is for

[2:45:58] Voice 9: you

[2:45:59] Voice 2: yeah so through the chair um as i understand it this is a new groundwater license application

[2:46:06] Voice 2: yes yes that's a yes

[2:46:08] Voice 2: okay um is the is the groundwater um going to be used at all for

[2:46:16] Voice 2: commercial purposes uh before the groundwater license is provided what

[2:46:29] Voice 6: would that entail

[2:46:31] Voice 6: for you guys yes okay

[2:46:39] Voice 2: uh we will need to talk about that offline okay because um and and i

[2:46:49] Voice 2: would i just like i'd like to understand it a little bit more okay okay

[2:46:57] Voice 9: anything further

[2:46:59] Voice 9: we have

[2:47:01] Voice 2: nothing more from the

[2:47:02] Voice 9: local trust committee or the staff here mr shoulder do

[2:47:06] Voice 9: you have anything more uh

[2:47:08] Voice 2: no thank you chair i really appreciate um the i'm sorry there's

[2:47:13] Voice 9: one more comment from the african go ahead sir sorry let me just um uh

[2:47:19] Voice 8: add to that answer is that

[2:47:21] Voice 8: the water license was originally an existing use license um and then given and then in speaking

[2:47:31] Voice 9: with staff from the water branch, Ben Robinson, about what was more appropriate, an existing

[2:47:39] Voice 9: use or a new water use license. He suggested that if there's going to be an increase in

[2:47:44] Voice 9: use from what has historically been used, that a new water license would be required.

[2:47:55] Voice 9: And so at that point, a new water license application was created and sent in referring

[2:48:01] Voice 9: referring to the existing use license and and so they're sort of being they're tied together but

[2:48:08] Voice 9: the new one is what it's been waiting for okay

[2:48:11] Voice 2: thank you yeah that that answers my question so

[2:48:14] Voice 2: you're legally entitled to continue your use for your existing water use and and and your new water

[2:48:22] Voice 2: uses is like a top-up it's just um

[2:48:25] Voice 2: in

[2:48:26] Voice 9: concert with the rezoning and the allowed increased use

[2:48:32] Voice 9: that you go along with that yes

[2:48:34] Voice 2: no thank you uh i was just um because it since you you are in the

[2:48:39] Voice 2: traditional or transitional phase you're legally entitled to continue to use your existing water

[2:48:47] Voice 2: use it just on new water uses um it's unlawful to to use the water for commercial use without

[2:48:53] Voice 2: license so in in

[2:48:55] Voice 2: your in your case it's fine so yeah that answers my question we don't need to

[2:48:58] Voice 2: meet about that thank you and um yes uh chair rogers i i appreciate um your balanced approach

[2:49:07] Voice 2: to local trust committee meetings as always and i believe that this is the appropriate discourse

[2:49:13] Voice 2: course and then also what regional planning manager Kojima suggested that we continue through

[2:49:23] Voice 2: a momentum to the LTC rather than to would curtail some of the issues that I've had with

[2:49:33] Voice 2: correspondence that have been going on and to the if I would just speak generally to the folks that

[2:49:41] Voice 2: are that are concerned and interested in their groundwater resources you everyone ought to be

[2:49:48] Voice 2: on the gulf islands climate change is a real thing and and groundwater is a unique amenity

[2:49:54] Voice 2: due to the proximity of of coast or the amount of coastline with respect of area of aquifer is very

[2:50:01] Voice 2: unique to gulf islands unlike say the shorelines of the cowichan where there's sure there's a lot

[2:50:09] Voice 2: of coastline there but there's thousands and thousands of hectares of aquifer behind it

[2:50:14] Voice 2: holding that groundwater at bay it it definitely involves a deeper conversation with the domestic

[2:50:21] Voice 2: water users in the area especially with those um water users that have smell to each other in the

[2:50:28] Voice 2: same groundwater region on the coast um to intrusion and then perhaps some refined asks

[2:50:43] Voice 2: to regional district for grades and then i'm on galley i'm always in um turn around it because

[2:51:06] Voice 2: okay thanks

[2:51:15] Voice 9: for joining us uh we'll uh move on um thank you for that conversation discussion

[2:51:25] Voice 9: um so uh we're going to move into the next phase of the agenda then that we have two referral

[2:51:33] Voice 9: documents um what uh two sets of uh bylaws that have been referred from main island

[2:51:41] Voice 9: and uh let me just find these now 131 is the project is the page number i'm gonna actually

[2:51:51] Voice 9: yeah so if anybody wants to be here for that discussion with his done i'll let you be

[2:51:56] Voice 9: thanks we're going to do a bit more mundane business um thank you thank

[2:52:04] Voice 6: you i'm sorry

[2:52:24] Voice 9: yeah well we got some work to do so uh the main island local trust committee referral for closed

[2:52:37] Voice 9: bylaws 184 i'm waiting nine uh do you want to speak to this or you want me to speak to it

[2:52:43] Voice 9: go ahead you speak this is the main island flexible housing project it's an evolving

[2:52:49] Voice 8: project where somebody here is on the mainland and it's reached the point now we've got draft

[2:52:53] Voice 8: bylaws um it's kind of a unique approach where some pilot areas were identified using some of

[2:53:02] Voice 8: the groundwater mapping um and within those pilot areas and these are the settlement residential

[2:53:09] Voice 8: zone which is a small one i mean there would be a potential for property owners to build one

[2:53:17] additional dwelling on those lots overall

[2:53:20] Voice 9: for for yeah so that's the flexible housing approach

[2:53:32] sorry

[2:53:39] Voice 9: i thought i didn't know you were done uh yes that's exactly what it is it's been the

[2:53:47] Voice 9: the work of the local trust committee for the year the term is trustee dodds has

[2:53:54] Voice 9: sort of been championing this since the beginning it's uh it's and uh planner chadwick has been

[2:54:01] Voice 9: done great work it's a relatively small area but it's a pilot and hopefully we can expand

[2:54:07] Voice 9: eventually the idea so it's actually quite a unique project for main island um do you have

[2:54:14] Voice 9: any questions or i

[2:54:15] Voice 3: do page 146 it refers to uh permitted uses uh a brewery oh you're you're in

[2:54:23] Voice 9: the next step okay

[2:54:24] Voice 3: well that's the next one this is

[2:54:25] Voice 9: that's the one about the um all right sorry

[2:54:28] Voice 3: i jumped ahead it's

[2:54:30] Voice 9: okay okay

[2:54:31] Voice 3: so

[2:54:32] Voice 9: do you have anything other than uh interest unaffected

[2:54:35] Voice 9: i

[2:54:35] Voice 3: think our interests are unaffected so

[2:54:37] Voice 9: that's the motion from trustee warwick

[2:54:40] Voice 9: i'll second that my favorite that passes unanimously but watch that watch that i'll

[2:54:47] Voice 9: be interested to see if there's any uptake because that's always the question you put

[2:54:51] Voice 9: in these very unique programs as to whether there's uptake because it's one of the programs

[2:54:55] Voice 9: people talk about on other events this may not be flexible housing as an alternative to

[2:55:02] Voice 9: or an addition to building or doing other things is um is create opportunities for people who build

[2:55:10] Voice 9: smaller footprint houses on uh but but more of them uh 13.5

[2:55:17] Voice 7: is bylaws 167 and one sort of 186

[2:55:20] Voice 7: to 187 which is on page

[2:55:22] Voice 9: 40. uh this is the well you go ahead it's

[2:55:26] Voice 8: the main other project and this

[2:55:28] Voice 8: is a number of amendments minor amendments to the ocp and

[2:55:33] Voice 9: probably mostly to the language bylaw

[2:55:35] Voice 9: some corrections um some minor some minor tweaking of bylaws and um bringing out temporary permits

[2:55:44] Voice 9: permit for the brewery

[2:55:46] Voice 6: on the beach and the zoning by-laws that they've been following.

[2:55:52] Voice 10: My question is that breweries dig

[2:55:55] Voice 11: a lot of water. So it's, I'm curious because all of these islands

[2:56:02] Voice 11: are challenged with water.

[2:56:06] Voice 8: So that was one of the reasons, well they started off actually operating

[2:56:09] Voice 8: as a home base business. They managed to keep it within the home base business regulations and then they

[2:56:14] Voice 8: gradually sort of expanded as they became more often than they needed a temperate experiment

[2:56:19] Voice 8: so they needed a change of something.

[2:56:20] Voice 9: So I think one of the reasons why they were

[2:56:23] Voice 9: interested in supporting the temperate experiment approach was to monitor and see groundwater usage,

[2:56:30] Voice 9: parking, neighbouring packs that were also moved out of their seating at the same time.

[2:56:37] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:56:38] Voice 8: there hasn't been any issues through that to me.

[2:56:43] Voice 9: I think it's in an area...

[2:56:45] Voice 9: is in one of the areas it's yeah a little lower but it's just never come up as being a problem

[2:56:55] Voice 9: for the bird and uh yeah so because

[2:56:58] Voice 11: there's also a lot of uh dischargers and byproducts from

[2:57:02] Voice 11: a brewery it has to be dealt with

[2:57:06] Voice 10: anyway it's not they're they're going ahead with this

[2:57:12] Voice 9: anything else no are our interests not affected

[2:57:15] Voice 10: okay

[2:57:16] Voice 9: just not affected that's the motion first

[2:57:20] Voice 9: people over here i'll second that i'll favor that passage uh then we have our redwater sustainability

[2:57:29] Voice 9: project but we don't have um line of chat with us are you speaking to the oh i see williams turned

[2:57:37] Voice 9: his camera

[2:57:37] Voice 2: back on are you

[2:57:38] Voice 9: inclined to speak to this or are you

[2:57:40] Voice 2: just here to answer questions

[2:57:41] Voice 2: it uh

[2:57:43] Voice 2: yeah through the chair i'm just here to answer questions i believe that regional planning

[2:57:47] Voice 2: manager kojima was uh tempted to talk with it um so i'm here just and

[2:57:57] Voice 9: so this is not not available

[2:58:01] Voice 9: she's not on our screen she's not here i have some questions for her because it talks about

[2:58:07] Voice 9: the bylaw amendment but the attachment two is here which is the gentleman's the ocp

[2:58:12] Voice 9: uh but the um amendments to the land use bylaw aren't attached um although the motions all refer

[2:58:22] Voice 9: just to the ocp amendment so it's sort of a it's sort of no no no no it doesn't it also

[2:58:30] Voice 9: it has 284 as the language bylaw i apologize they're both here but they aren't attached are

[2:58:37] Voice 2: are they could you see them no

[2:58:39] Voice 11: so

[2:58:40] Voice 2: um i i can i can speak to some of that um i i really this is

[2:58:47] Voice 2: narissa stewart in this forward but um there were a few things that i wasn't able to offer her in

[2:58:53] Voice 2: time which was a memorandum to describe the um the groundwater recharge groundwater recharge

[2:59:02] Voice 2: charge protection areas and and how we have come to form that that development permit area proposal

[2:59:12] Voice 2: to the LTC and and that has that that work has been complete and so I don't want to speak much

[2:59:22] Voice 2: to it because it is quite complex and it really will need the LTC to dig into to to understand

[2:59:28] Voice 2: stand um and then also the other component of this maybe she left out i believe is the proof

[2:59:36] Voice 2: of water for subdivision bylaw and that was that's that's been a project of the salt spring island

[2:59:42] Voice 2: local trust committee for the past like two and a half years and we've been working really close

[2:59:48] Voice 2: with the province to with one of the hydrogeologists to ensure that our bylaw proposal makes sense and

[2:59:56] Voice 2: And that is now close.

[3:00:00] Voice 2: being wrapped up planner yeomans is taking that forward to the ltc coming up so um that we're

[3:00:05] Voice 2: we're hoping that um kind of like a as a model bylaw um and i believe i'm just looking through

[3:00:12] Voice 2: it she didn't um and that would be a lub amendment of course but that wasn't included as well so

[3:00:18] Voice 2: that's that's what i have um for you at this time but it seems like they're the recommendations are

[3:00:26] Voice 2: still in there so i'm not sure what the ltc wants to do probably you need to ask well the problem

[3:00:31] Voice 2: can we

[3:00:32] Voice 9: actually do the ocp well you can't because the maps aren't there maps aren't there so these

[3:00:38] Voice 8: are all

[3:00:38] Voice 8: just conceptual i guess at this point so like when you said the language would not be

[3:00:44] Voice 8: really significant that's significant because it would just be a memory

[3:00:49] Voice 8: god he says there'll be some new definitions associated with

[3:00:56] Voice 6: The

[3:00:56] Voice 8: cistern requirements would be extended to all new construction, with some changes

[3:01:07] Voice 8: from just rainwater

[3:01:10] Voice 9: to fresh water,

[3:01:11] Voice 8: so the cisterns would be for storage for rainwater

[3:01:16] catchment.

[3:01:17] And then, like William was describing, updates to the sub-dimension servicing regulations

[3:01:22] Right now, we have data consistency for

[3:01:28] Voice 9: Salt Spring and also Pender.

[3:01:32] Voice 8: And then for the key amendments, there's some minor changes to the language.

[3:01:40] Voice 8: So we did the analysis because of the reporting by the waterline about 10 years ago when the amendments came from that.

[3:01:50] Voice 8: The language is pretty solid, just the policy language.

[3:01:56] Voice 8: changes to the development permit area wording,

[3:02:00] Voice 9: but not a lot actually,

[3:02:01] Voice 9: the development permit

[3:02:02] Voice 9: version is still pretty good.

[3:02:08] Voice 8: The groundwater regions schedule, the OCP is supposed to be

[3:02:13] Voice 8: replaced with the new mapping. There's just some minor changes to the boundaries. And

[3:02:19] Voice 9: then the DPA, and that's sort of what we're looking for, is instead of having the DPA

[3:02:27] Voice 9: has an elevation that would be much more yeah and my recollection is i think in the last meeting

[3:02:38] Voice 9: we had sort of an understanding of where the or at least a rough understanding of where the dpa

[3:02:44] Voice 9: was going to be proposed and just back in the last meeting trying to find these maybe she may have

[3:02:53] Voice 9: put the map up yeah uh not it wasn't in the package i think it might have been she put it up

[3:03:00] Voice 9: and it shows that there's a point in the southwest southeast corner and another little area uh in

[3:03:07] Voice 9: that area it was actually a relatively small area of the island that the dpa would apply to

[3:03:12] Voice 9: right so no

[3:03:13] Voice 9: they could probably speak to the no no i'm

[3:03:16] Voice 9: i'm wrong it's william yeah

[3:03:19] Voice 9: oh well then i don't know what it looks like so

[3:03:22] Voice 8: based on the mapping it's quite extensive

[3:03:25] Voice 8: of what um sort of take out filter uh parks and conservation areas

[3:03:39] Voice 2: okay and the development permit area i mean i'm not giving anything away by saying that it's

[3:03:45] Voice 2: it's locked to the cadastral right meaning that

[3:03:50] Voice 2: the lot boundaries so so that that's the approach and so it that's what i'm saying it's a little

[3:03:59] Voice 2: There's a methodology behind it that I worked with our IT manager, Mr. Von Bakel, and we created a model to take the existing groundwater recharge and then selecting the very high groundwater recharge zones and then putting that and relating that to lot boundaries.

[3:04:24] Voice 2: and I believe we talked about this before and or maybe not so I I just really want I'm going to be

[3:04:33] Voice 2: a lot more articulate in my technical memorandum than you know at 3 30 at the end of a meeting

[3:04:40] Voice 2: so I just don't want to give most away but that the same thing that I asked the North Pender

[3:04:47] Voice 2: or BC and this is actually up to the LTC as well as to pleasure Kojima is that if, if

[3:04:58] Voice 2: the LTC would like the memorandum earlier than the agenda packet, like once it's a bit.

[3:05:06] Voice 11: Yeah, that would be great. Okay, so then we probably will defer this these recommendations

[3:05:13] Voice 11: yeah

[3:05:14] Voice 5: it's basically for information yeah

[3:05:17] Voice 11: but then no that's fine yeah um

[3:05:20] Voice 11: great

[3:05:21] Voice 5: is that uh

[3:05:24] Voice 11: you're good with that

[3:05:25] Voice 7: i'm totally fine with that i'm sorry i'm just as

[3:05:29] Voice 9: like this is said the the

[3:05:30] Voice 9: as i said the the two most crucial areas this is what we got last month was

[3:05:35] Voice 9: south galliana on the canyons peninsula uh but and maybe now you i understand that it may have

[3:05:42] Voice 9: changed and i think we need we i think we and the community would like to know what's changed

[3:05:49] Voice 9: okay um so let's go thank you we'll thank you for uh at least this of the explanation and maybe we

[3:05:57] Voice 9: can see if narissa can join us and um on june the 6th and we can work our way through some battle

[3:06:05] Voice 9: um thanks

[3:06:08] Voice 10: uh

[3:06:09] Voice 9: we really will be in a moment

[3:06:10] Voice 10: two

[3:06:11] Voice 9: of the last three people that were here

[3:06:17] Voice 9: yes bye-bye uh then we have the so the next thing that we're in this is sort of some uh

[3:06:24] Voice 9: so just reporting the work programs report is uh here i don't think there's anything to change

[3:06:31] Voice 9: we've got two top priorities is

[3:06:34] Voice 11: there any update on the rezoning of the district lots um so this

[3:06:41] Voice 9: is a new application that you're seeing or you're talking about the crown the

[3:06:46] Voice 3: crown lens yeah before

[3:06:47] Voice 9: we passed yeah some stuff last time we've made some motions yeah first

[3:06:53] Voice 9: reading i think uh yeah

[3:06:55] Voice 3: i'm just wondering if we've had because i think there have probably been referrals now and whether

[3:06:59] Voice 3: we've had any response i

[3:07:02] Voice 8: haven't none of them brought to my attention so that's probably

[3:07:04] Voice 8: everything okay

[3:07:05] Voice 3: because i'm just concerned that you know first nations will want to have a look

[3:07:10] Voice 3: at these and

[3:07:11] Voice 9: you know what as as with anything if that's the case if indigenous or first nations

[3:07:16] Voice 9: folks want to have a look at these they should have that full opportunity and we have to adjust

[3:07:22] Voice 9: our our schedule accordingly i i don't have anything related to the top priorities and

[3:07:29] Voice 9: project list uh or the

[3:07:32] Voice 9: sort of

[3:07:33] Voice 8: trustee wolverton had an email earlier about updating the community

[3:07:38] Voice 8: profile yes so so with the census data new census data release i mean that could be a project

[3:07:46] i could do it you

[3:07:50] Voice 9: were talking about the whole community profile or just the

[3:07:52] Voice 9: go now nor

[3:07:53] Voice 10: the community profile i was looking at the what you sent me was 2009 community profile

[3:07:59] Voice 10: yeah i could

[3:08:03] Voice 3: do some of that work okay i mean rather

[3:08:07] Voice 11: than it being a project but i just didn't

[3:08:09] Voice 11: know if uh staff was looking at all of them i don't i don't know where the others are

[3:08:15] Voice 8: yeah we're not i don't i don't think there's a trust-wide initiative with regional planning

[3:08:19] Voice 8: committee or anything about where we were okay

[3:08:22] Voice 10: we have a meeting coming up maybe i can bring it up

[3:08:25] Voice 9: there and then you could do galley yeah

[3:08:28] Voice 10: okay

[3:08:31] Voice 9: i don't think we need to amend the project

[3:08:33] Voice 9: we have the applications report some of which we've talked about today is anything you'd like

[3:08:38] Voice 9: to ask for the applications report so trust me um

[3:08:42] Voice 10: i'm just uh wondering what's happening with the

[3:08:47] Voice 10: be O'Shaughnessy on

[3:08:49] Voice 3: Sturges Bay Road, whether I just, it's a bit of a mess there right now

[3:08:55] Voice 3: because all the trees have fallen into the...

[3:08:57] Voice 9: Yeah, so they finally hired a

[3:08:59] Voice 9: professional. So a RISAC geotechnical and also had a green

[3:09:05] chores professional now on staff. So that's, that was the way to start to prepare to using

[3:09:20] Voice 10: okay that that's that was all they had okay

[3:09:24] Voice 6: there's

[3:09:29] Voice 9: nothing new on the waterfall application

[3:09:33] Voice 9: although that's a is that we that's just a subject so it's actually not on our no

[3:09:40] Voice 8: decision at this

[3:09:41] Voice 8: point but at some point it could come to the ltc with like a variance or frontage or something

[3:09:48] Voice 8: right

[3:09:48] Voice 9: okay that's fine i just i i remind and remarked on this that my gabriel last gabriel

[3:09:56] Voice 9: admitting i had experienced on salt spring i've never seen this before is that they

[3:10:00] Voice 9: they have a standing item where they bring old applications to the ltc and say do you want to

[3:10:06] Voice 9: dismiss them if they haven't had any activity in six months and i thought it's an interesting

[3:10:11] Voice 9: process now of course they have 15 pages of applications at any given time it's a survival

[3:10:19] Voice 9: which is anything but i thought it was interesting because i haven't seen it

[3:10:23] Voice 9: where there was a standard practice to bring it there

[3:10:30] Voice 9: or if the ltc says it's time to get rid of this application as we did with

[3:10:36] Voice 9: whatever that one yes okay anyway i don't think it's an unusually long list right now

[3:10:44] Voice 9: and a lot of them are active i know there's some that are still in planning stages uh there's an

[3:10:51] Voice 9: expense report uh to the end of february man that's a little old oh well that's their common

[3:11:00] Voice 9: of knowledge anything related to the standing resolutions um

[3:11:04] Voice 11: no i mean i i don't know whether

[3:11:07] Voice 11: we've uh sent letters yet to the uh

[3:11:11] Voice 8: i'm about to actually review them okay for last year

[3:11:15] Voice 8: okay thank you

[3:11:18] Voice 9: perfect uh there's no conservancy report we have a page 185 of the

[3:11:26] Voice 9: galena local trust committee language for the draft annual report do you have any

[3:11:31] Voice 9: concerns related to that

[3:11:32] Voice 9: uh then we have a short motion there uh

[3:11:36] Voice 10: it means that the uh draft uh

[3:11:39] Voice 10: annual report wording be

[3:11:41] Voice 10: um

[3:11:42] Voice 11: approved and it's

[3:11:44] Voice 9: straight here it says the galena local trust

[3:11:46] Voice 9: committee approved

[3:11:46] Voice 9: the format and applied for the contents of the 2020. okay so move

[3:11:50] Voice 5: this is an annual report

[3:11:51] Voice 9: it's right it's in the chat sorry okay

[3:11:54] Voice 9: i'll second that there

[3:11:57] Voice 9: uh there's your impersonation down in the letters is here so you've got to answer that

[3:12:02] Voice 9: um mr ryback our next meeting is june the 6th mr ryback do you wish to speak to us at all no

[3:12:08] Voice 9: again so then there is no further town hall is there any other business

[3:12:13] Voice 9: um trustee will i

[3:12:15] Voice 11: think not other

[3:12:17] Voice 9: than to once again wish um uh trustee rockefeller a speedy

[3:12:23] Voice 9: recovery and hopefully i will find out that she's feeling better soon and thank you very much for

[3:12:29] Voice 9: everybody who joined us um we uh appreciate your attendance and um we will now be closing the

[3:12:39] Voice 9: the meeting thanks very much so

[3:12:41] Voice 10: just as an update she said she's in another sleep and she's very