Thetis Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 3, 2022

[0:00:04] Voice 9: We're good

[0:00:06] Voice 4: to go.

[0:00:08] Voice 4: Okay. Thank you, Will.

[0:00:09] Voice 8: Thank you, Will.

[0:00:11] Voice 8: That's like magic people dropping in.

[0:00:14] Voice 8: All right. Good morning, everyone.

[0:00:17] Voice 8: I'd like to call this regular meeting of

[0:00:20] Voice 8: the Peavis Island Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:00:23] Voice 8: I'm absolutely thrilled and

[0:00:25] Voice 8: excited to be sitting here today and

[0:00:28] Voice 8: building that last

[0:00:30] Voice 8: I was here all the way in.

[0:00:33] Voice 8: And I'm trying to remember

[0:00:34] Voice 8: when I was last here. It feels like

[0:00:36] Voice 8: a long time ago,

[0:00:37] Voice 8: but it was

[0:00:38] Voice 8: a long time ago.

[0:00:40] Voice 8: Yeah, we were here a couple of years.

[0:00:42] Voice 8: So it was just once, but

[0:00:44] Voice 8: I'm excited for Cetus to

[0:00:46] Voice 8: have this incredible

[0:00:49] Voice 8: building and

[0:00:50] Voice 8: services here on the island.

[0:00:53] Voice 8: And I'm sure it was greatly

[0:00:54] Voice 8: missed when it was in construction, but

[0:00:56] Voice 8: wow, the future's here.

[0:00:59] Voice 8: i'm uh gratefully acknowledged that we were able to have this meeting uh hold this meeting in the

[0:01:07] Voice 8: traditional unseated territories of the coast salish people i always like to share on my own

[0:01:13] Voice 8: personal journey of reconciliation that uh a great thanks to you doug for organizing the trips that

[0:01:21] Voice 8: we experienced uh this past month for the trustees i i wasn't on the panel but i did join for the

[0:01:27] Voice 8: And it was an incredibly heartfelt day, spending a day with elders traveling through the waters

[0:01:36] Voice 8: around Thetis and Baldevis, or Laioxin Island.

[0:01:40] Voice 8: But it was greatly important when we visited Chingle Spit, and the elder, when he stepped

[0:01:48] Voice 8: onto the land, introduced himself to the ancestors and thanked them for their stewardship and

[0:01:54] Voice 8: and their hard work on the place

[0:01:57] Voice 8: and his responsibility for the future generations

[0:02:00] Voice 8: that fell on his shoulders for stewardship of the place.

[0:02:05] Voice 8: I thought that was just such a reminder to all of us

[0:02:07] Voice 8: that we have such responsibility for maintaining this place

[0:02:11] Voice 8: and not only out of the respect of the people

[0:02:14] Voice 8: who came before us, but the people who are yet to come.

[0:02:18] Voice 8: I would like to introduce myself.

[0:02:21] Voice 8: I'm Laura Patrick.

[0:02:21] Voice 8: I'm elected on Salt Spring Island

[0:02:24] Voice 8: and I'm the chair of this local trust committee.

[0:02:26] Voice 8: And I'm joined today by trustee Fenton and trustee Loughlin.

[0:02:32] Voice 8: And together we make up your

[0:02:35] Voice 8: Thetis Island local trust committee.

[0:02:38] Voice 8: Normally we have Lynn Smith visiting and joining us,

[0:02:42] Voice 8: but I guess it was easy when we were electronic,

[0:02:44] Voice 8: but Lynn Smith, the director of Couch Valley

[0:02:46] Voice 8: regional district area,

[0:02:48] she's

[0:02:49] Voice 8: incredibly committed to this area

[0:02:52] Voice 8: it and it generally sends us a report um this meeting is being live streamed and recorded

[0:03:00] Voice 8: and it'll be available on the website there's a number of staff members that are joining us

[0:03:05] Voice 8: in the meeting today we have heather cower our regional planning manager good to see you heather

[0:03:11] Voice 8: we have marlis and carver uh a new planner is just joining us and was able to join us on one of those

[0:03:18] Voice 8: of trips that we did with the last nation and we have sarah sugar our minute taker we have a

[0:03:26] Voice 8: planner mario from mayors marco yes we'll be joining us later on the report on the meeting

[0:03:38] Voice 8: okay so this uh this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions

[0:03:42] Voice 8: about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business and I would also like to add that this is a place of employment.

[0:03:52] Voice 8: Some of our staff may also be coming from joining us electronically, you'll hear them here,

[0:03:57] Voice 8: but they have the right to a safe and respectful workplace as I know we'll all be respectful today.

[0:04:04] Voice 8: I have an agenda before, or we have an agenda of course, are there any additions or changes to the agenda?

[0:04:11] Voice 8: it

[0:04:12] Voice 9: i have a couple of requests okay um i'd like to add a a new business item from merrily uh

[0:04:20] Voice 9: problem could just call it uh community meeting expenditures and ask for permission to spend some

[0:04:27] Voice 9: money and um and then the second one that i'm not sure through the chair last the regional planning

[0:04:34] Voice 9: manager. I'd like to talk about the C2C event that we undertook and some follow up things like a

[0:04:46] Voice 9: photograph repository and things like that. Should that be a new item or is there somewhere on the

[0:04:50] Voice 9: agenda that you would recommend we drop that or? Under the work program perhaps. It could be under

[0:04:59] Voice 9: Okay, so let's put it under there. So we'll call it C2C. Follow up. Is that all right?

[0:05:07] Voice 10: Thank

[0:05:08] Voice 9: you. I think that covered it for me.

[0:05:13] Are

[0:05:13] Voice 8: there any other changes?

[0:05:16] Voice 10: Actually, no, because that covers what I'm supposed to do.

[0:05:19] Voice 10: that's true i

[0:05:21] Voice 8: just wanted to note one correct my own agendas i don't know just there was an

[0:05:26] 8.1 so just a typo it says 226 it's 526. okay for you

[0:05:36] Voice 8: so can we approve the agenda as amended through general consent

[0:05:43] Hi. So that brings us to the report section. So if you'd like to go first.

[0:05:52] Thank

[0:05:55] Voice 10: you. And welcome everybody for showing up.

[0:05:59] Voice 10: And thank you to all of you here.

[0:06:02] Voice 10: To you, to everyone that you are.

[0:06:05] Voice 10: But that's great. I appreciate you guys being able to channel this by yourselves.

[0:06:12] Voice 10: house with us today. My time over the last couple of months

[0:06:19] Voice 10: has been since our last meeting, lots of things on the go. I

[0:06:27] Voice 10: want to note that I remain grateful for the opportunity to

[0:06:32] Voice 10: live and work on the unceded territories or traditional

[0:06:37] Voice 10: traditional territories of the Penelope, the Malaya, and the Pueblos.

[0:06:41] Voice 10: This place continues to energize me in many ways with respect to sort of the need to actually try to find a better way forward.

[0:06:50] Voice 10: And we spend a lot of our time on that very subject and a variety of different sort of local steers.

[0:06:58] Voice 10: years. From the Islands Trust perspective, I've been engaged with them. They had a whole

[0:07:06] Voice 10: 2050 public engagement. We had like a third-side chat. I'm sure you're interested in that.

[0:07:11] Voice 10: We'll speak to this as well. We included in that sort of general discussion the governance

[0:07:18] Voice 10: report. Again, we had some good insight. It was a very civil conversation, probably the

[0:07:24] Voice 10: best um outside of our location that everybody shows up for um we had 20 plus people show up so

[0:07:35] Voice 10: it was a pretty interesting um discussion all around and it was a fruitful in respect to a

[0:07:43] Voice 10: non-competitional some inaccuracies corrected and somebody could participation so and the bottom

[0:07:53] Voice 10: a message from that when they left was they wanted to have one which is nice so that's really nice

[0:07:59] Voice 10: um we did the 2020 the um i was trust conservancy i was on the board as a board member on the

[0:08:10] Voice 10: honest trust conservancy and i sat on behalf of them at the same ecosystem conference last week

[0:08:19] Voice 10: or three days, probably the most powerful conference I've been to in the world of ecology and conservation.

[0:08:29] Voice 10: A sort of academic stewardship that I've ever,

[0:08:33] Voice 10: you know, it was just the third conference

[0:08:35] Voice 10: I've been to.

[0:08:36] Voice 10: It's the best of the three so far, and it just continues to get better and better.

[0:08:41] Voice 10: that's just amazing to me, inspired to Zoom, just connect.

[0:08:46] Voice 10: They found ways to make it more and more engaging

[0:08:49] Voice 10: and an incredible discussion to have.

[0:08:53] Voice 10: I was involved with the CDC,

[0:08:58] Voice 10: which is this Community to Community Grant.

[0:09:01] Voice 10: I did a lot of the groundwork,

[0:09:03] Voice 10: sort of nudging that along with the assistance of staff,

[0:09:08] Voice 10: but we got that all in running.

[0:09:10] Voice 10: We commenced, we did March 22nd was the Penelaket tour, March 29th we did the Oaxaca tour.

[0:09:17] Voice 10: It was almost four opposite weather. We had a crisp sailor's sea mist on the 22nd with Penelaket.

[0:09:27] Voice 10: But regardless, the elders and all the tourers, we didn't go to the outer islands, we stuck to Thetis.

[0:09:36] Voice 10: but we did both complete lap around the phoenix in a couple of hours um we had a brand new planner

[0:09:44] Voice 10: on board that actually came back to work which is great to hear but that was a definite test

[0:09:50] Voice 10: for her firstly on the job to show up and come up with us for the tour um but i think i haven't

[0:09:58] Voice 10: talked to her post event but i'm assuming it was probably a very moving day just you know the

[0:10:03] Voice 10: material and conversation on that journey was um yeah memorable for me anyways i'm not sure if

[0:10:12] Voice 10: everybody else will have similar insight on that one that march 29 was like you take the weather

[0:10:20] Voice 10: from the weather gods to show that for some tourist event we just had it looks better

[0:10:25] Voice 10: around a bit of wind coming back late afternoon but really it was

[0:10:35] Voice 10: As I just pointed out, we have the opportunity to go on to the shores of a very important location on Valdez, and we had this incredible dialogue throughout the day.

[0:10:48] Voice 10: So I look forward to what those bring to us in the future. For those of you that were not involved, this tour is about early engagement,

[0:10:58] Voice 10: not a referral process where we send it off to first nations because traditional territories

[0:11:04] Voice 10: we're working on are developing and they get to look at a document for you know months have

[0:11:10] Voice 10: gone years after all that has solidified there's no ideas anymore this is all about just hammering

[0:11:17] Voice 10: forward um we set up colonial views and government framework this opportunity was that first step

[0:11:25] Voice 10: the first people we talked to was them which is the first time or this ltc where we've actually

[0:11:31] Voice 10: taken that approach um and just did it we don't really have a budget part we don't have a

[0:11:37] Voice 10: framework to support it but we're just preventing it as we go and uh part of this uh came through

[0:11:44] Voice 10: the grant to help us with the um making it happen um another piece i felt was i saw the

[0:11:54] Voice 10: the Southern Gulf Islands Forum, which

[0:11:57] Voice 10: is a committee of people generating

[0:12:02] Voice 10: politicians from the Southern Gulf Islands

[0:12:05] Voice 10: and our local MLA and MP for that area as well.

[0:12:11] Voice 10: And I sat there as a side of the invited guest regarding

[0:12:17] Voice 10: anchorage issues.

[0:12:19] Voice 10: And this was looking at developing some form of working

[0:12:22] Voice 10: group going forward to address the um larger infuge issues in the southern korea and any of

[0:12:29] Voice 10: you who step down the right around here there's not a lot of bangladesh or harvard reflecting

[0:12:35] Voice 10: happening and we're trying to figure out how to solve that problem with multiple levels of

[0:12:41] Voice 10: government and that was an opportunity that i appreciated and will continue to participate

[0:12:46] Voice 10: scale and otherwise locally i've been working with the local recycler when i get back on track

[0:12:54] Voice 10: and that's i've had a promise so hopefully we'll see that start up before summer and

[0:13:01] Voice 10: we'll time will tell and i'll leave it there thank you very much yeah

[0:13:09] Voice 9: thank you um just

[0:13:12] Voice 9: reflecting on how busy these times are that's just recounted and similarly um my list is fairly

[0:13:21] Voice 9: extensive so try and be brief but i think first and foremost i want to indeed also acknowledge

[0:13:27] Voice 9: that i'm grateful to be here on fetus island in coast sales territory uh uh sylvester often

[0:13:34] Voice 9: reminds me that this is their uh land and i'm certainly cognizant of that and uh grateful to

[0:13:40] Voice 9: wake up here every day and take every opportunity to reflect upon the history and culture of the

[0:13:46] Voice 9: place and take the opportunity to learn as much as I can about so many things Coast Salish and so

[0:13:53] Voice 9: many things about this place. I'll maybe just touch on a little bit later on some of the things

[0:13:59] Voice 9: that I learned at the Salish Sea Conference but just grateful to be here. I've been a resident

[0:14:04] Voice 9: here for 34 years now it's hard to imagine and certainly it's been a wonderful time for me and

[0:14:10] Voice 9: my family um so over the last number of months since we met last in february indeed i spoke

[0:14:16] Voice 9: last time about the council meeting coming up and uh the count attended the council remarks

[0:14:22] Voice 9: to the chair to say about the council meeting if you like um i've also attended southern gulf island

[0:14:28] Voice 9: uh uh meetings uh uh and that's more of my role as chair of salt spring island and as chair of

[0:14:35] Voice 9: council then locally here just to let you know about the activities that are ongoing

[0:14:41] Voice 9: i also and i'll touch on this briefly uh also attended a port of anchor report authority

[0:14:47] Voice 9: meeting that they've called as a result of the federal government uh telling the port that they

[0:14:55] Voice 9: needed to improve their uh management of the port with respect to uh deliver delivering goods and

[0:15:04] Voice 9: and interfacing with freighters and timeliness

[0:15:08] Voice 9: and also anchorages.

[0:15:12] Voice 9: I met, I think there's been lots of meetings around

[0:15:16] Voice 9: actually amongst LTCs.

[0:15:18] Voice 9: I met ostensibly with our Director of Trust Program Services

[0:15:23] Voice 9: who is our Advocacy and Communications and Policy Specialist

[0:15:30] Voice 9: within the organization

[0:15:32] Voice 9: and took the opportunity to remind them of the long history that the Alms Trust has had

[0:15:38] in and on vessel

[0:15:41] Voice 9: anchorages and that their summary introduction to the concept about

[0:15:48] Voice 9: engaging with communities

[0:15:50] Voice 11: about it struck me as being more about environmental protection

[0:15:57] Voice 11: or concerns with these vessels in our cities.

[0:16:06] Voice 11: And indeed, Ruxpin

[0:16:07] Voice 9: anchors in the middle out of there.

[0:16:09] Voice 9: I'm sure that you worry about both islands,

[0:16:11] Voice 9: Valdez and Ruxpin worry about when it springs on the anchor,

[0:16:14] Voice 9: whether or not the stern will hit one of the islands or not,

[0:16:16] Voice 9: because it's such a narrow passage

[0:16:18] Voice 9: and is such an inappropriate place for a vessel to anchor.

[0:16:21] Voice 9: So that's ongoing work.

[0:16:23] Voice 9: I'm a little disappointed that actually a month ago

[0:16:26] Voice 9: was when that meeting was had.

[0:16:27] Voice 9: I had anticipated we'd hear back from them,

[0:16:30] Voice 9: But at the same time, I'm not surprised because this has been a very difficult one-way conversation for the most part.

[0:16:38] Voice 9: I want to thank Doug for his work in the Vita Salon Anchorages team and the Ruxton Island Anchorages team and the Gabriola.

[0:16:46] Voice 9: And I also want to acknowledge and take a moment to remember Chris Straw, who headed up the Gabriola Islands initiative against Anchorages.

[0:16:59] Voice 9: he passed away a couple years ago now as a big loss to all of us. So other things that have

[0:17:06] Voice 9: been ongoing indeed I participated in this C2C event and Doug underestimates his involvement in

[0:17:15] Voice 9: that and organizing it certainly staff facilitated and helped with getting the grant and getting the

[0:17:21] Voice 9: funding

[0:17:21] Voice 1: and all that kind of

[0:17:22] Voice 9: stuff but Doug absolutely did all of that work in communicating

[0:17:25] Voice 9: with the nations and getting media and press service organized, and it would not have happened

[0:17:31] Voice 9: without that.

[0:17:32] Voice 9: And I am so appreciative of that.

[0:17:36] Voice 9: And everybody

[0:17:37] Voice 1: that attended, and I must say, actually,

[0:17:39] Voice 9: Heather Crowe, our regional planning

[0:17:41] Voice 9: manager, that it was a brilliant idea that the two new planning staff that came on that

[0:17:46] Voice 9: month, both came on each one of the portions of the tour.

[0:17:50] Voice 9: And I think that all staff should have an orientation of that kind when they come on

[0:17:55] Voice 9: on board the Elders Trust because we are committed

[0:17:59] Voice 9: to reconciliation.

[0:18:00] Voice 9: We have a declaration, we have an action plan,

[0:18:04] Voice 9: we have opportunities for learning within the organization

[0:18:08] Voice 9: to bring us cultural awareness.

[0:18:10] Voice 9: And being out on the same sea with elders

[0:18:15] Voice 9: is just so, I think, so amazing.

[0:18:19] Voice 9: And Heather's nodding, obviously.

[0:18:21] Voice 9: It was a great experience.

[0:18:22] Voice 9: It was a great experience for you as well.

[0:18:24] Voice 9: And thank you for coming because the weather is not necessarily always kind, and boats aren't for everybody. And, and it's true.

[0:18:38] Voice 9: So that's the CTC event and I'm looking forward to having more conversations and this is just the beginning of a long long conversation. We know what I say, I don't say it other say, I'm just reflecting on it.

[0:18:51] Voice 9: This is a journey and a canoe, and we are paddling forward to a new place and to be honest, we don't really know where that destiny is for us, but I'm so excited to be on that journey.

[0:19:04] Voice 9: So, and on that journey, I've also attended the Association of Equivalent and Coastal Communities, again as the chair of the council, and that's a fantastic opportunity to meet with people who I think of as our family and local government.

[0:19:19] Voice 9: It's all of the local governments around Vancouver Island on the Sunshine Coast that are coastal communities that share that coastal connection to the sea.

[0:19:27] Voice 9: It's one of three associations that is a function of UBCM, the Union of British Columbia Municipalities, that feed local government interests into the funnel.

[0:19:42] Voice 9: It goes through the associations, goes to UBCM, and goes to the province.

[0:19:45] Voice 9: And then the province is actually obligated to respond to those, because if they got that

[0:19:51] Voice 9: far, that it means that everybody in the province supports whatever the initiative is.

[0:19:55] Voice 9: And we, over the years, advanced a number of initiatives, and a number of them have

[0:20:00] Voice 9: turned into real work on the ground.

[0:20:03] Voice 9: And others, we've been advised to look at it from a different perspective or something,

[0:20:07] Voice 9: and we take all of that into consideration.

[0:20:09] Voice 9: So that's ABICC.

[0:20:10] Voice 9: I was also very privileged to be able to go to Local Government Leadership Academy, LGMA I think it is, but anyway, nonetheless.

[0:20:21] Voice 9: And again, both of these meetings were the first time I had met with all of these local government people in two years.

[0:20:29] Voice 9: and it was just such a celebration to be in the room and to have those conversations to talk about

[0:20:35] local

[0:20:35] Voice 9: issues and concerns and learn about the similarities and differences that we have and

[0:20:42] Voice 9: to be honest i don't know if i've said this out loud to you before but how how well served the

[0:20:48] Voice 9: islands trust is with good strong policy we have our weaknesses but we've got policy in place and

[0:20:54] Voice 9: And we've got a process in place that surprisingly many other local governments don't have.

[0:20:59] Voice 9: And that's an investment that has been made at the corporate level of the organization over the 45 years that we've been providing delivery on the Pacific Tech mandate.

[0:21:12] Voice 9: So that was great.

[0:21:13] Voice 9: So the SAIC conference was also two weeks ago.

[0:21:16] Voice 9: That was a three and a half day online event.

[0:21:20] Voice 9: It was actually quite a big thing to actually try and find the time to be there.

[0:21:25] Voice 9: but there's significant involvement with First Nations

[0:21:29] Voice 9: in the State of the Sea Conference.

[0:21:30] Voice 9: And the theme is preserving and protecting this place

[0:21:34] Voice 9: and why we're doing it and what's important.

[0:21:36] Voice 9: And then there's all these amazing young people

[0:21:39] Voice 9: from the University of Washington and UBC and other places

[0:21:45] Voice 9: talking about the science and what they've been learning

[0:21:47] Voice 9: and what we need to do and how we need to do it.

[0:21:50] Voice 9: But the conversation often comes around preserving

[0:21:53] Voice 9: and protecting this place in Coast Salish territory, and the significance of this place

[0:21:58] to the Coast Salish people, and the significance of salmon and killer whales to the Coast Salish

[0:22:03] people.

[0:22:05] Voice 9: It's hard to explain it, and I've been talking to people. It's hard to explain, but this

[0:22:11] Voice 9: is important. Coast Salish people are of this place, and the salmon and the cedar and the

[0:22:20] Voice 9: killer whales and the environment is all part of their genetic makeup and I can say that's different

[0:22:28] Voice 9: than me I'm a colonial I came here I don't live and breathe and sleep this this character and

[0:22:35] Voice 9: sense of spirituality in this place and what's really important is that we protect those the

[0:22:41] cedar the salmon the ocean the land the killer whales

[0:22:45] Voice 9: everything that's here because that erodes

[0:22:49] Voice 9: their culture and their society if we lose any more of this than we've already lost and it's a

[0:22:55] Voice 9: real tough gig to get the salmon to come back and that's one of the goals to get the salmon to come

[0:23:01] Voice 9: back the king that's what they refer to it and they invest the king salmon to get the king to

[0:23:06] Voice 9: come back because it's part of their dna part of their culture part of their lives and world

[0:23:14] I also chose lots of exciting stuff going on down

[0:23:18] Voice 9: there, including some work around

[0:23:21] Voice 9: the concept of tiny home or small home guidelines that might enable folks to develop those kinds

[0:23:31] Voice 9: of situations as an affordable housing component.

[0:23:35] Voice 9: And certainly people on theaters are very interested in that.

[0:23:39] Voice 9: Islands 2050 has been ongoing and that has just concluded its enhanced third phase

[0:23:48] Voice 9: of engagement. I've been involved in that and I think it's been relatively very well received

[0:23:55] Voice 9: and certainly there are the critics but there's also those that are in full support of the work

[0:24:00] Voice 9: that we're doing recognizing the importance of preservation and protection of this place.

[0:24:03] Voice 9: um the final item is um um and i want to thank doug for joining me on this and we had a we had

[0:24:14] Voice 9: a local meeting here of the community um that um to talk about federation-wide issues because of

[0:24:21] Voice 9: course there's been these mail outs going around circulars uh talking about policy statement and

[0:24:26] Voice 9: the governance review and the budget and we you'll be pleased to know heather that we completely

[0:24:31] Voice 9: completely focused on federation issues, not local issues.

[0:24:34] Voice 9: And in fact, there was an opportunity

[0:24:36] Voice 9: that people wanted to speak to it.

[0:24:38] Voice 9: And we just said, this is not much warrant for it.

[0:24:40] Voice 9: And so, and that said, it was hugely successful.

[0:24:44] Voice 9: I must say that there was one member of our community

[0:24:46] Voice 9: that came forward, that's very learned.

[0:24:49] Voice 9: This is probably an elder in our community, very learned,

[0:24:52] Voice 9: and had spent quite a bit of time

[0:24:56] Voice 9: with the government's report.

[0:24:57] Voice 9: And what he said, which I thought was the most significant thing, is one to look at it through a non-defensive lens and read it for what's in there.

[0:25:09] Voice 9: And what he remarked is what's indicated, what's reported in that report, sort of anecdotally, is how much we do.

[0:25:19] Voice 9: And he says it's amazing that you do all this other stuff.

[0:25:23] Voice 9: certainly there's lots of room for improvement but what you are doing is amazing and magnificent

[0:25:27] Voice 9: keep doing it because it's important to do and so that's um that's something that i learned

[0:25:33] Voice 9: from that session and i think the community has asked us and is supportive of us doing more

[0:25:39] Voice 9: federation conversations like this so i think that it's valuable and so we will maybe continue

[0:25:46] Voice 9: during that apologies for talking for so long

[0:25:48] Voice 8: sorry i haven't met for a while it seems like

[0:26:07] but um also at avicc i went to a housing

[0:26:11] Voice 8: administrative housing workshop

[0:26:13] Voice 8: and we have typically done all our housing needs assessments and everything based on the census, which is always lagging data.

[0:26:23] Voice 8: And the ministry, I thought, gave some good advice on talking about sort of sort of the housing needs assessment.

[0:26:29] Voice 8: Turn that on our heads and start with what do we need in the community as our kind of our first question.

[0:26:36] Voice 8: who do we need living here and and then what kind of housing do we need and kind of come from it

[0:26:45] Voice 8: from that approach which i thought was a very kind of a good way of rephrasing sort of what

[0:26:50] Voice 8: we're trying to accomplish uh as we as we deal with our uh our from a healthy community aspect

[0:27:01] Voice 8: Yes, we did have a trust council meeting. It was back in March. The two big pieces of

[0:27:07] Voice 8: information was the budget. We always have to approve a budget in March because we have

[0:27:11] Voice 8: a fiscal year that starts April 1st. And I think the overall tax increase was two point

[0:27:18] Voice 8: something. It wasn't a round number. It may have been two, two on the nose.

[0:27:24] Voice 8: at the end

[0:27:24] Voice 9: one because of course we bring in the last expenses and and it ends up alternating a

[0:27:31] Voice 8: little tank and uh also uh receiving the governance report uh which any organization needs to continue

[0:27:41] Voice 8: to review its governance and do an adaptive and learning process and that is only only beginning

[0:27:46] Voice 8: what this uh this next group is our next discussions will be the next trust council

[0:27:52] Voice 8: meeting will be in june june 21st through 23rd this one will be a completely online

[0:27:58] Voice 8: version of trust council i'm not sure which time yet will be the

[0:28:05] Voice 8: public town hall but please if you want to be aware of that if you subscribe

[0:28:11] Voice 8: to the island stress website and choose the federation information as well as

[0:28:17] Voice 8: Thetis, you'll get some emails

[0:28:19] Voice 8: and reminded of when that's available. That's the

[0:28:21] Voice 8: best way to keep up to date on what's going

[0:28:23] Voice 8: on.

[0:28:27] Voice 8: Trustee Lockham and myself

[0:28:28] Voice 8: through Sawspring,

[0:28:30] Voice 8: we're going to be meeting with Minister

[0:28:32] Voice 8: Fleming, which is the Minister of

[0:28:33] Voice 8: Highways and Transportation

[0:28:36] Voice 8: later this month,

[0:28:38] Voice 8: I think it is.

[0:28:40] Voice 8: One of the topics of conversation

[0:28:42] Voice 8: that we're going to be having is about the

[0:28:44] Voice 8: South Island Transportation Strategy.

[0:28:46] Voice 8: strategy. There was, it is a completed report, they left out the islands. So one of our messages

[0:28:53] Voice 8: to them, to Minister Fleming, is that we would hope that that was something they should not

[0:28:59] Voice 8: have left out. And that would be one of our messages, that the islands are key and that

[0:29:04] Voice 8: that transportation link is critical to the South Island. And that's my report. So this

[0:29:16] Voice 8: I mean, I know it's disrespectful, and I don't want to speak, but I will stop you here.

[0:29:25] Voice 8: Is there

[0:29:25] Voice 9: anyone that wants to make a mention?

[0:29:27] Voice 9: We do have a great one.

[0:29:29] Voice 8: Did we have a great one?

[0:29:30] Voice 8: We

[0:29:30] Voice 9: had an email from her.

[0:29:34] Voice 8: I didn't remember seeing it.

[0:29:36] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:29:37] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:29:41] Voice 8: Usually, does provide a report.

[0:29:44] Voice 8: report. Yeah, I didn't recall seeing it this time. Normally she says something

[0:29:49] Voice 9: from her

[0:29:52] Voice 9: talking about the docs and the emergency planning activities.

[0:30:03] Voice 8: I'm grateful she is very active and you believe does provide reports of knowledge that anyone

[0:30:11] Voice 8: does anyone want to address us today for the applicant you will you'll have your time when

[0:30:16] Voice 8: we get to the application anyone have any comments or questions or I'll

[0:30:23] Voice 6: just take a

[0:30:23] Voice 6: minute to introduce myself and so you know who you're staring at I'm Ben Sutherford I'm

[0:30:28] Voice 6: on Rockston Island. I'm primarily here to support one of the agenda items development permit that's

[0:30:36] Voice 6: coming up and then as I mentioned earlier I spent quite a bit of time in this building

[0:30:40] Voice 6: as I was part of the advisory planning council when the Rockston Island bylaws were being

[0:30:48] Voice 6: redone so I sort of followed that process through and just really thanking myself with the

[0:30:54] Voice 6: the Elements Trust governments again.

[0:30:57] Voice 8: Well, thank you for coming.

[0:31:00] Voice 8: That seems like a long time ago.

[0:31:03] Voice 8: I remember .

[0:31:09] Voice 6: Anyone

[0:31:09] Voice 8: else wants anything to make?

[0:31:12] Voice 8: Well, your comments are always important.

[0:31:16] Voice 8: Please reach out to your local trustees or email us.

[0:31:20] Voice 8: the good email to use is northinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca so that make sure that

[0:31:27] Voice 8: your correspondence gets captured and on the record okay well carrying on our agenda we have

[0:31:35] Voice 8: some minutes for adoption we have the February 22nd minutes are there any additions or corrections to

[0:31:41] Voice 8: those minutes yes

[0:31:44] Voice 10: um yeah so on page the um 8.1 in discussion comments and questions were noted

[0:31:57] Voice 1: and

[0:31:57] Voice 10: they talked about acknowledging why accidents were interested in being consulted generally

[0:32:02] Voice 10: project definition based that's a long-standing wish are not in writing per se from

[0:32:09] Voice 10: um but i think we should say both and lax and lax and puts everything in writing

[0:32:17] Voice 10: their new coordinators so they're actually like that capacity needs an advocate to not be doing

[0:32:23] Voice 10: that so that's a shared voice um and i think we put that we should i would approach again

[0:32:30] Voice 10: project is sort of thinking this sort of ground to get our heads around that's what we're actually

[0:32:39] Voice 10: When you're looking at your stakeholders and co-governing, how early it might be addressed.

[0:32:47] Voice 10: Who wants to be as an delegate?

[0:32:50] Voice 10: So that's true because of the ID stand.

[0:32:54] Voice 10: So that's an important piece.

[0:32:57] Voice 10: So you'd

[0:33:00] Voice 8: like to have everyone say acknowledge the Lioxom and the Connecticut First Nations for their interest?

[0:33:06] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:33:07] Voice 10: First Nation.

[0:33:08] Voice 10: First Nation.

[0:33:09] Voice 10: A tribe.

[0:33:10] Voice 10: And Penelope tribe.

[0:33:11] Voice 10: And Penelope tribe.

[0:33:14] Voice 8: I take it, Sarah, you got that?

[0:33:16] Voice 8: I got that.

[0:33:16] Voice 8: All right.

[0:33:17] Voice 8: Any other changes or additions to the February 22nd minutes?

[0:33:20] Voice 8: No.

[0:33:20] Voice 8: Can we then approve those as amended through general consent?

[0:33:24] Voice 8: All right.

[0:33:24] Voice 8: Excellent.

[0:33:25] The next set of minutes was from March 30th.

[0:33:29] Are there any additions or corrections to those?

[0:33:31] No.

[0:33:32] All right.

[0:33:32] Okay, so

[0:33:33] Voice 8: we can approve the March 30 minutes, gentlemen said that brings us, we just have

[0:33:39] Voice 8: a report here on the standing resolutions.

[0:33:42] Voice 8: We had a call for the special meeting that we had that was it.

[0:33:46] Voice 8: We had some camera back to discuss.

[0:33:52] Voice 8: And that's it.

[0:33:53] Voice 8: So, to the follow up action list on page 13.

[0:33:57] Voice 8: Are there any,

[0:33:57] Voice 9: maybe before you skip over the advisory planning commission, just look

[0:34:01] Voice 9: for some advice here um we're about to do reappointments and that was decided to um

[0:34:09] Voice 9: solicit expressions of interest and we're about to do the appointments and um maybe i should have

[0:34:14] Voice 9: added this was a new business side of it but this seems like a opportunity to talk about it as well

[0:34:19] Voice 9: is there's there's two things that i would like to forward to the apc not as referrals for uh

[0:34:26] Voice 9: uh um or for referrals and recommendations back from the apc with respect to uh what's going on

[0:34:35] Voice 9: but um for their information just to kind of get a feel for some things that we're thinking about

[0:34:40] Voice 9: and that one

[0:34:41] Voice 1: would be the

[0:34:42] Voice 9: shoreline um uh guideline report that we received our last

[0:34:47] Voice 9: meeting to pass it on to them to say hey check this out um to get some background information

[0:34:52] Voice 9: particularly that we're going to have a new potentially new members on that commission

[0:34:56] Voice 9: It'd be a great opportunity to bring provide an opportunity for them to get together and

[0:35:00] Voice 9: or just individually just read it.

[0:35:02] Voice 9: And the other one, actually, what I'd like to suggest, because I think it's a great example

[0:35:09] Voice 9: of a development variance permit application, and that's the gentleman from there.

[0:35:16] Voice 9: There are definitely some challenges on that.

[0:35:18] Voice 9: And I think there's a learning opportunity there for the APC to understand some complexities

[0:35:22] Voice 9: associated with permits.

[0:35:23] Voice 9: so i don't want to refer as a referral because i'd like to deal with the application today but

[0:35:29] Voice 9: i'd just like to forward it to them for their information for references and any thoughts on

[0:35:36] Voice 9: that otherwise just make a motion if this seems like a good time i think that's great um

[0:35:40] Voice 10: i um

[0:35:44] Voice 10: i'm not part of their orientation did they have uncovered the

[0:35:57] Voice 10: Yeah,

[0:35:59] Voice 7: I don't know off the top of my head, I mean it's a good point, and I don't know if they don't wish to.

[0:36:05] Voice 10: Can we add that to their list?

[0:36:15] Voice 10: is

[0:36:22] Voice 10: who's going to be down the road next year too that's going to be good for these

[0:36:29] Voice 10: this area of awareness and reflection on this document, which is an expert document.

[0:36:38] Voice 10: We will support that as well.

[0:36:40] Voice 9: So maybe that's an

[0:36:41] Voice 9: opportunity to think about that and maybe make some suggestions.

[0:36:45] Voice 9: But maybe that's even an opportunity for the local trustees to engage in that way with the APC to help with that,

[0:36:54] because that's probably a less formal process

[0:36:57] Voice 9: that we have in place,

[0:36:58] Voice 9: so it's obviously something we should be doing as

[0:37:01] Voice 9: part of the commitment i

[0:37:03] Voice 7: think it's easy enough

[0:37:04] Voice 7: for us to to add it to their orientation package okay thank you thank you did you want to make a

[0:37:13] motion

[0:37:13] Voice 9: then sure so then i would get moved that the asylum lgc uh forward uh the shoreline uh

[0:37:22] Voice 9: uh protection report received from uh regional planning committee uh for information only and

[0:37:33] Voice 9: that um uh fetus on the development variance for the 2021.1 guinness block 59 also be forwarded to

[0:37:43] Voice 9: the apc again for their information only

[0:37:49] Voice 11: for that second adult gets

[0:37:52] Voice 11: Is there an opportunity to read that back?

[0:37:54] Voice 11: The

[0:38:07] Voice 12: Thetis Island Trust Committee forward the following to the Thetis Island Advisory Planning Commission for information only.

[0:38:16] Voice 12: The shoreline protection report received from the Regional Planning Committee and Thetis Island DDP 2021.1 begins on 59 Rockston Island.

[0:38:32] Any discussion? All those in favor carry. Thank you.

[0:38:39] So the follow up action list which is on page 13.

[0:38:44] Is there any questions for

[0:38:46] Voice 11: staff or anything that stuff brings to the attention of trustees.

[0:38:48] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:38:57] Voice 11: Go ahead, Trustee Cunningham.

[0:38:59] Voice 10: Just the way we talked about it by email over the last couple of months, just mentioning

[0:39:03] Voice 10: that meeting and that sort of the staffing issues around our sort of facilitating the

[0:39:11] Voice 10: meeting on days with respect to the sort of number one, I guess, site that we just found

[0:39:16] Voice 10: local trust, where I coordinated a meeting that got sort of in progress but hasn't happened

[0:39:22] Voice 10: due to staffing constraints.

[0:39:26] Voice 11: So that's on the radar and TRS

[0:39:38] Voice 10: will be asking about it.

[0:39:42] Voice 10: I'm not sure where it's going to go, if there's any window or time frame for that.

[0:39:51] Voice 7: Would it work for us to maybe provide you an update on that?

[0:39:58] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:39:58] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:39:59] Voice 10: Yeah, as long as it's sort of in the works.

[0:40:01] Voice 10: In the works.

[0:40:06] Voice 8: yeah it'd be interesting um i know salt springs had a number of concerns just very congestion

[0:40:16] Voice 8: and so forth but the dc ferries is holding this is holding a public meeting on salt spring soon

[0:40:24] Voice 8: as they connected it to one of their very uh commission meetings uh to have this public open

[0:40:31] Voice 8: open house kind of question answer period.

[0:40:34] Voice 8: So I can't imagine why they just do it on an island

[0:40:37] Voice 8: when you think that doing a road show

[0:40:41] Voice 8: and going out to hear from others, it only makes sense.

[0:40:45] Voice 8: But seeing that they're doing it on Salt Spring,

[0:40:47] Voice 8: I think it's a little pressure on your part

[0:40:49] Voice 8: and I encourage the fairies to consider holding it.

[0:41:01] and you know i can well either of us could reach out to keith rush who's the chair of the local

[0:41:08] ferry advisory committee

[0:41:09] Voice 9: they actually do have a very good working relationship with them and

[0:41:14] Voice 9: it has been a couple of years probably pre-pandemic since bc ferries didn't come to the island but

[0:41:21] Voice 9: It is within living memory that they last came here.

[0:41:26] Voice 9: And there's been conversation about, you know,

[0:41:30] Voice 9: it's actually very similar to, as you point out,

[0:41:32] Voice 9: to the issues on other islands,

[0:41:34] Voice 9: Salisbury in particular,

[0:41:36] Voice 9: is that the congestion and safety around the port,

[0:41:39] the terminal, is the best out of this.

[0:41:43] And there needs

[0:41:45] Voice 9: to be some resolution.

[0:41:46] Voice 9: There was some work that started,

[0:41:48] Voice 9: but it never really came to a conclusion

[0:41:51] Voice 9: other than clearing trees for line of sight.

[0:41:55] Voice 9: But I think that also what you've mentioned, Chair,

[0:41:58] Voice 9: is that this whole omission of including the islands

[0:42:03] Voice 9: in this transportation puzzle is part of the issue.

[0:42:10] Voice 9: And I think it would be fair to say that

[0:42:13] Voice 9: when you and I meet with the minister,

[0:42:16] Voice 9: we will be raising that not only at the local level,

[0:42:18] Voice 9: but at a federation level and that this is inadequate and needs to be improved um in some

[0:42:26] Voice 9: fashion i just had a conversation yesterday while in the ferry lineup about the conversation that

[0:42:32] Voice 9: we've had for such a very long time which is a flashing orange light that is at the junction

[0:42:37] Voice 9: of the ferry tunnel so when the cars are offloading there's a light that's blinking to

[0:42:42] tell people there's

[0:42:43] Voice 9: cars coming up with them because the visibility on that corner is

[0:42:49] it's amazing there's never been an accident anyway it's a it's

[0:42:53] Voice 9: a story that exists on

[0:42:54] Voice 9: every single island it's as if it wasn't planned for well

[0:42:59] Voice 8: bc ferries is not contracted or that's

[0:43:06] Voice 8: not within their service levels to do community planning uh to or and to coordinate with can you

[0:43:11] Voice 8: it's it's it's mind-boggling um it is it's um and so that's why the conversation was

[0:43:18] Voice 8: redirected to the minister because uh they're not compelled you know they have their advisory

[0:43:23] Voice 8: bodies but they're not it's part of our system that's always challenging

[0:43:32] Voice 8: but so critical to our lives on islands

[0:43:35] Voice 9: so anyway i can assist you with that in some way

[0:43:39] Voice 9: I can certainly connect you with Keith Rush,

[0:43:41] Voice 9: but I can obviously have a conversation

[0:43:43] Voice 9: on the fact that we're gonna meet with the minister.

[0:43:45] Voice 9: And in fact, the CIO of BC Ferries

[0:43:49] is also listed as an

[0:43:50] Voice 9: attendee at that meeting.

[0:43:52] Voice 9: And there'll be an opportunity to address that

[0:43:55] Voice 9: on a Federation level.

[0:43:56] Voice 9: And that might

[0:43:56] Voice 9: trickle out in some fashion.

[0:43:59] Voice 8: We'll try.

[0:44:00] Voice 8: I

[0:44:01] Voice 9: don't know how

[0:44:01] Voice 8: problems with what I'm doing.

[0:44:02] Voice 8: I always

[0:44:02] Voice 8: ask a minister.

[0:44:04] Voice 8: So any other comments on the follow-up actions?

[0:44:07] Voice 9: Only that I continue to fail my duties

[0:44:10] Voice 9: in getting this letter out to ministry first regarding the law on dallas island and um i'm

[0:44:17] Voice 9: just going to have to get that done because obviously the ministry is not doing anything

[0:44:22] Voice 9: with it and that's ridiculous and it's also ridiculous i haven't written a letter i was

[0:44:27] Voice 9: asked to write so i'm going to do that okay so you're committing yeah

[0:44:31] Voice 8: and there's no dates on

[0:44:33] Voice 8: this follow-up action. I

[0:44:35] Voice 9: don't

[0:44:38] Voice 11: think I have anything else urgent here. Oh yeah that's good.

[0:44:51] Voice 8: Did you need a target date added to make that happen?

[0:44:57] Voice 8: All right all right and we'll move on. So the next thing is on 8.1 which is bylaw 526

[0:45:05] six uh

[0:45:05] Voice 8: from salt spring for referral uh i guess uh did i want me to well

[0:45:16] Voice 9: i can chime in

[0:45:17] Voice 9: if you like sure this is the referral from the salt spring island local trust committee

[0:45:23] Voice 9: uh to amend uh regulations in the agricultural zone for expanding some residential flexibility

[0:45:30] Voice 9: ability um in a in a says that they're in accordance with the ordered council fourth

[0:45:36] Voice 9: of the amending agricultural land reserve use regulation and um ostensibly it's just to address

[0:45:42] Voice 9: housing and agricultural land it's one of the elements of the affordable housing component to

[0:45:49] Voice 9: make farming more viable and this is a long sought after amendment from the agricultural

[0:45:59] Voice 9: land use regulation, and this is our opportunity to amend our bylaws to facilitate this work.

[0:46:06] Voice 9: And so, I believe that Seth Thedas' interests are unaffected, and I'm sorry, does the Chair

[0:46:13] Voice 9: want to make a motion?

[0:46:14] Voice 8: I'll just add that this was an interest, this change made by the Agricultural Land Commission,

[0:46:21] Voice 8: and it allows this use as an outright use rather than having to go through a commission,

[0:46:26] permission

[0:46:26] Voice 8: um significant change for alc yeah so

[0:46:31] Voice 9: i'll move then

[0:46:32] Voice 9: but

[0:46:33] Voice 10: i see this again we committed to somehow trying to find tools and ways of managing

[0:46:51] Voice 10: the climate crisis and uh so like for me is that i don't disagree with what's going on what you

[0:47:01] Voice 10: want to do but the issue is i consider i'm concerned about there's no energy so what kind

[0:47:09] Voice 10: of energy is involved to manage these places warm

[0:47:12] Voice 10: what kind of

[0:47:14] Voice 10: water are they going to be using what

[0:47:15] Voice 10: kind of septic impacts would there be increased density um on any property is probably the key

[0:47:23] Voice 10: of social communities um to managing the climate crisis effectively um but you need to actually

[0:47:31] Voice 10: it's not just doing more business as normal or as usual there's no um climate crisis management

[0:47:38] Voice 10: in our building codes or um the nutrients flowing into the city from centric fields etc so even if

[0:47:50] Voice 10: it's something we can't regulate or say you must is there should be actually stated that we should

[0:47:57] Voice 10: be looking at or considering energy efficient buildings of any kind if they're a cabin that's

[0:48:02] Voice 10: energy efficient and it should not cost a huge amount of place to do water in the wintertime

[0:48:08] Voice 10: your water use should be you know contained and managed to the highest levels of efficiencies

[0:48:16] Voice 10: create a water issue you know part of your plan composting toilets are legal

[0:48:21] Voice 10: you know let's make a conscious and outright effort every opportunity to say you know this

[0:48:31] Voice 10: is all good about this we must make climate change considerations into our different paradigms

[0:48:39] Voice 8: there's two bios that salt spring are working on this one this one is regarding to the alr lands

[0:48:45] Voice 8: and there's a second one that is about there's large farms that are not on alr

[0:48:49] Voice 11: and

[0:48:50] Voice 8: that one we took an approach of exchanging subdivision potential for added dwellings and

[0:48:57] Voice 8: like this one the purpose is about trying to maintain the farms as viable and whole

[0:49:04] Voice 8: rather than becoming manor homes for privileged people so that's really the which is related to

[0:49:14] Voice 8: climate change in the aspects of food security and farming and this this is there is restrictions

[0:49:22] Voice 8: built into this by-law.

[0:49:25] Voice 8: One of them is that it's focused more on generational

[0:49:32] Voice 8: passing, what's the word?

[0:49:35] Voice 8: Succession planning for farming,

[0:49:37] Voice 8: that at this time the draft by-law

[0:49:41] Voice 8: is restricting the housing to family members.

[0:49:45] Voice 8: The ALR did not do that,

[0:49:47] Voice 8: or the ALC said that it could be for any purpose.

[0:49:50] Voice 8: So it's gonna be an interesting conversation

[0:49:51] Voice 8: as we go through there is this for succession planning or income um for the for the farm and

[0:49:59] uh i'll often be interested in that conversation to come but the bylaw does have built in um

[0:50:05] Voice 8: some levels of protection for for the homing but like so the main purpose is to maintain

[0:50:12] Voice 11: this as farms so

[0:50:17] Voice 9: maybe i'll just add in response to your thoughts much appreciated

[0:50:25] Voice 9: a number of those issues are things that we're trying to address in our policy statement

[0:50:31] Voice 9: because we don't we're silent on climate change and indeed a number of those factors are elements

[0:50:39] Voice 9: that need to be included in the policy statement so that it can be reflected in ocps and bylaws

[0:50:45] Voice 9: as we move forward and and this is that you're absolutely right it's not

[0:50:55] Voice 9: reflecting the thoughts that you brought forward um however it's not unregulated

[0:51:02] Voice 9: the housing that would be constructed or utilized on this agricultural land will be required to meet

[0:51:10] Voice 9: building code and existing frameworks all the health septic all those frameworks that exist

[0:51:15] Voice 9: already and so it's not negligent in that respect but it's certainly not forward thinking um but we

[0:51:23] Voice 9: don't have that mechanism at the moment to

[0:51:25] Voice 10: provide

[0:51:26] Voice 11: for that or have not embraced it anyway but

[0:51:32] Voice 11: certainly you're

[0:51:33] Voice 9: right um but again i think and did i make my you know i haven't made motion yet

[0:51:39] Voice 8: well as i say it's interesting i've been doing some work on tiny homes on wheels and so forth

[0:51:43] Voice 8: um the size of the building on its own because it is restricted for how big they can be is already

[0:51:54] There's improvements by

[0:51:55] Voice 8: buildings just being smaller, rather than under a certain size.

[0:52:03] Voice 10: Speaking from my own personal experience, I took on a 400 square foot cabin. It was a two season cabin.

[0:52:10] Voice 10: And I could not, I burned my chest hard in the chimney to try to stay warm in the winter.

[0:52:16] Voice 10: There was a wink of my back coming right through the building.

[0:52:19] Voice 10: Beautifully built in the 80s,

[0:52:22] Voice 10: but nonetheless it was well made for the day.

[0:52:25] Voice 10: And I would argue that the co-founders

[0:52:28] Voice 10: are full of these black cat cannons.

[0:52:32] Voice 10: That building it with an anvil

[0:52:36] Voice 10: that was actually sealed,

[0:52:38] Voice 10: carried before it was managed.

[0:52:40] Voice 10: I went to no fireplace in there

[0:52:43] Voice 10: with a tiny bit of electric pump and generator.

[0:52:46] Voice 10: whatever so cost a little bit more but not a huge amount when you're doing this now i would argue

[0:52:53] Voice 10: we don't have i have the time to think this will happen and those will be built and will be 30

[0:52:59] Voice 10: years before we're actually addressing the skin um to me just like i don't we can't be mandated

[0:53:08] Voice 10: We have urgent.

[0:53:14] Voice 8: Oh, they are. Have

[0:53:16] Voice 8: you built anything recently with the building code?

[0:53:18] Voice 8: They

[0:53:19] Voice 10: have no insulation. The insulation is not, does not need that zero energy.

[0:53:30] Voice 11: But that's the

[0:53:31] Voice 10: goal, and that's the only place we can actually, that's, as I say, the next

[0:53:36] Voice 10: generation of building can be, right now, we're going to have a whole influx of un-stealing

[0:53:46] Voice 10: with the winter.

[0:53:47] Voice 10: So we're going to be burning more firewood.

[0:53:48] Voice 10: We're going to be costing too much to actually electrically heat in the summertime.

[0:53:54] Voice 10: time, you know, you can turn around and take my bill from hundreds of dollars every winter to

[0:54:03] Voice 10: get positive. So I mean my $90 every two months with doing everything and charging my car

[0:54:14] Voice 10: electric car. So that's a huge shift from $300 to $400 a month. So I somehow need to at least say out loud

[0:54:23] Voice 10: I don't know, even in a common section here in the lab,

[0:54:27] Voice 10: but, you know, I was wishing that we could go there,

[0:54:33] Voice 10: but we would like to be part of,

[0:54:36] Voice 10: from whomever builds and or plans.

[0:54:41] Voice 11: Absolutely, but advocate for different building codes.

[0:54:49] Voice 11: Well, we

[0:54:50] Voice 10: don't have time.

[0:54:51] Voice 10: BC falls in my master's program.

[0:54:54] Voice 10: We see this as the bottom of the pot with respect to energy and it was actually fought for that way because of certain inputs regarding developers trying to keep the rise.

[0:55:07] Voice 10: So they hope to be able to get in for a net zero energy requirement.

[0:55:13] Voice 10: But we will be one of the largest policies.

[0:55:18] Voice 11: Which is sad.

[0:55:25] Voice 11: So,

[0:55:26] Voice 9: I'll make a motion that's right, I'm going to the local trust committee, just to be advised

[0:55:32] Voice 9: local trust committee, that number five to six, does not interest on again.

[0:55:46] Voice 11: that our interests are unaffected.

[0:55:54] Voice 11: Is there a second?

[0:56:00] Voice 10: Do you want to comment on that comment?

[0:56:08] Yeah, Doug would like to encourage advocacy for stronger

[0:56:13] Voice 8: building for energy climate.

[0:56:16] Voice 10: Addressing, you know, beyond building to address the energy.

[0:56:24] Voice 10: and water conditions

[0:56:31] Voice 9: out on the water, so that's something to say.

[0:56:34] Voice 9: Yeah, certainly we can provide a comment,

[0:56:38] Voice 9: but that's not in context of the standard responses as we do.

[0:56:43] Voice 9: Our interests are effective and therefore we want to make a condition of it,

[0:56:49] Voice 9: or we're not prepared to recommend it at all.

[0:56:52] Voice 9: I mean, I've got other comments

[0:56:55] Voice 6: to interest some effectiveness.

[0:56:57] Voice 6: so how about we just global climate so what would you like to add to the end of that motion

[0:57:06] Voice 6: i

[0:57:08] Voice 10: would just suggest that the all considerations for these um buildings orange building spaces

[0:57:17] Voice 10: are um they consider wherever possible to address energy energy water and

[0:57:25] Voice 9: so then if i say our

[0:57:27] Voice 9: Our interests are unaffected.

[0:57:31] Voice 9: However, the LTC encourages the LTC

[0:57:35] Voice 9: to consider climate impacts

[0:57:41] Voice 11: and climate change in construction.

[0:57:44] Voice 11: Maybe I'll ask Sarah to read that.

[0:57:52] Voice 9: You're sitting in the next room.

[0:57:54] Voice 12: That the LTC encourages, I have to make a next comment

[0:58:03] Voice 12: that all considerations for new buildings

[0:58:05] Voice 12: address climate change when possible perfect okay so i can read them all

[0:58:10] Voice 12: uh the fetus island local trust committee advised the salts for now

[0:58:13] Voice 12: local trust committee that its interests are unaffected by salts for now and local trust

[0:58:17] Voice 12: community 526 however the fetus and local trust committee encourages

[0:58:23] Voice 12: all considerations for new buildings to address climate change when possible

[0:58:36] Voice 10: insulation ceiling up

[0:58:37] Voice 11: encourages

[0:58:42] Voice 12: all um encourages uh that all considerations for

[0:58:48] Voice 12: new and renovated buildings to address climate change when possible yes all right okay

[0:59:00] any discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor and that's carrie

[0:59:04] ago and i want to thank you sarah i always forget how some brilliant

[0:59:09] Voice 8: people are taking things

[0:59:11] Voice 8: all right so we're going to move on to the next item which is item 8.2 on the agenda this is

[0:59:20] Voice 8: about the variance permit on western island that's on page 19 from the agenda package and i believe

[0:59:24] Voice 8: we've got margaret uh who's uh joining us i see her any bitty little face we'll hear you in the

[0:59:33] Voice 11: Hello, over to

[0:59:35] Voice 2: you. Thank you. Did I hear that I can't share my screen, or should I try doing it anyway just to see?

[0:59:42] Voice 9: Yeah, unfortunately not, we don't have a projector connected here.

[0:59:48] Voice 2: Okay, then I'll just, I'll just leave it.

[0:59:52] Voice 2: So just

[0:59:53] Voice 8: make reference to the page maybe in the

[0:59:55] Voice 2: staff report if

[0:59:56] Voice 8: you've got pictures

[0:59:57] Voice 2: that you're looking at.

[0:59:58] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:00:00] Voice 2: made a small presentation but um sorry

[1:00:03] Voice 4: i just wanted i just wanted to interrupt margo margo

[1:00:06] Voice 4: could share the screen for the benefit of the live stream if you like

[1:00:10] Voice 9: please share your screen

[1:00:13] Voice 9: and we

[1:00:14] Voice 4: do have you on the

[1:00:15] Voice 9: screen here and i think the trustees can see it anyway the members of the

[1:00:19] Voice 9: public may maybe not so easily but i certainly invite maybe the applicant if you want to stand

[1:00:25] Voice 9: behind us you can see the position on the screen as well but i think it's going to come from the

[1:00:30] Voice 9: report anything okay you're

[1:00:31] Voice 8: welcome to come hang over our shoulders

[1:00:34] Voice 8: we're casual can

[1:00:37] Voice 2: you can you

[1:00:37] Voice 2: see that yes

[1:00:38] Voice 8: yes yes great okay

[1:00:42] Voice 2: uh good morning everybody uh yeah my name is margo famitis and

[1:00:48] Voice 2: i'm a new planner that started just in february of this year really happy to be here thank you

[1:00:53] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair Patrick, Trustee Fenton, and Trustee Luckum for your time this morning.

[1:00:58] Voice 2: I'm tuning in from the Northern Office on Gabriola, so from the Coast Salish Territory

[1:01:03] Voice 2: of the Stenamo First Nation, and I'm very grateful to work and live on these beautiful

[1:01:08] Voice 2: islands.

[1:01:09] Voice 2: So this is an application for a development variance permit for Lot 59 on Ruxton Island.

[1:01:15] Voice 2: The subject property contains a large two-story single-family dwelling, a sleeping cabin with

[1:01:22] Voice 2: attached greenhouse a small studio six small sheds and accessory buildings and three water cisterns

[1:01:29] Voice 2: as well as a number of decks attached to each of those buildings the development variance permit

[1:01:36] Voice 2: is is in order to facilitate the siting of a number of these existing buildings and structures

[1:01:41] Voice 2: including the dwelling three decks the sleeping cabin and greenhouse the studio two sheds and

[1:01:48] Voice 2: and three water tanks within the required five-meter lot line setback,

[1:01:52] Voice 2: as well as the required 10-meter natural boundary of the sea setback.

[1:01:58] Voice 2: We're recommending approval of the permit because the applicant's rationale is sound,

[1:02:03] Voice 2: as there's no other reasonable location to site the above-mentioned buildings and structures.

[1:02:08] Voice 2: The siting of the buildings and structures does not affect the views of neighbors,

[1:02:12] Voice 2: and notification to date has generated no concerns or objections from neighbors.

[1:02:16] Voice 2: The variances do not impact the intent of the bylaw regulation, and also the impact on sensitive ecosystems and processes appears to be minimal.

[1:02:27] Voice 2: So thank you, and I welcome any questions that you might have.

[1:02:31] Voice 8: We also

[1:02:32] Voice 1: have the applicant here.

[1:02:34] Voice 8: I'll stop hovering over you.

[1:02:36] Voice 2: That's alright.

[1:02:39] Voice 8: I'll turn to you. Is there anything you wish to add at this time?

[1:02:43] Voice 8: sure

[1:02:43] Voice 5: i mean just give a really quick background if that's okay um and hopefully you can hear me

[1:02:48] Voice 5: through the matchstick that's very pregnant partner so i'm just playing it extra safe right

[1:02:53] Voice 5: now um we live full-time in broxton i've actually worked with four planners through this process so

[1:03:00] Voice 5: it's been a long process um and thank you very much marjo for pulling this all together because

[1:03:06] Voice 5: i think she kind of inherited it and pulled it together in a pretty short time frame so

[1:03:11] Voice 5: really appreciate that um before purchasing the property in 2016 i knew about a number of

[1:03:17] Voice 5: byline issues and um bylaw complaints i guess and contacted planning and spoke with um

[1:03:25] Voice 5: uh and the recommendation at the time was that we applied for to adjust the setbacks

[1:03:39] Voice 5: to two meters and then just vary what remains so we kind of in working with lila i removed a dog i

[1:03:47] Voice 5: removed some decks i removed a giant water sister and a bunch of garden trellises and a whole bunch

[1:03:53] Voice 5: of other stuff that isn't shown on those plans um and we kind of rebuilt some things to kind of be

[1:03:59] Voice 5: well within that sort of two meter setbacks where possible um when we started the process again

[1:04:06] Voice 5: So Dennis Rutherford and I bought the property between us, and we're also trying to subdivide

[1:04:13] Voice 5: that so we can eliminate it as a buildable lot and protect the area.

[1:04:17] Voice 5: My lot, as you can see, has a lot built on it.

[1:04:21] Voice 5: The former owner was obviously a little over-exuberant and loved working with wood and maybe did

[1:04:26] Voice 5: a beautiful job of things, but we're trying to reduce our footprint both through reducing

[1:04:35] Voice 5: reducing the things that are on the property and also purchasing that other property and

[1:04:40] Voice 5: subdividing it with this property so that we have more protected undeveloped green space

[1:04:46] Voice 5: which also helps us meet and not have to vary the lot coverage limits as you probably all know

[1:04:53] Voice 5: brexton has very small waterfront lots and the extra challenge with ours is that part of the

[1:05:00] Voice 5: lot is quite high up and the remainder of the lot is basically barely above sea level so

[1:05:06] Voice 5: that's why everything is built along that one side of the property so hopefully that provides

[1:05:13] Voice 5: a little bit of context to what we're trying to do and why and we've actually removed some

[1:05:21] Voice 5: additional things that are shown on the diagram that we weren't planning to remove but decided

[1:05:26] Voice 5: it to you anyway so it's we're trying to go above and beyond and bring the property into compliance

[1:05:34] Voice 8: thank you we're going to discuss it here we may have questions for you we may have questions for

[1:05:38] Voice 8: the planner

[1:05:39] Voice 11: so trustees over to you um

[1:05:44] Voice 10: do you want to start this morning go ahead the

[1:05:48] Voice 10: floor is yours

[1:05:49] Voice 10: i uh no i just my well i was gonna get my head around that what had been done which which

[1:05:57] Voice 10: um aspects of the property you know sitting where um i guess the big thing so what other things have

[1:06:09] Voice 10: you removed

[1:06:10] Voice 5: so there used to be a dock and there was both on the property those were removed um

[1:06:19] Voice 5: a trolley system from the beach up to the property that was removed there was a second story deck

[1:06:26] Voice 5: deck on the original cabin the smaller sleeping cabin that i removed there were a whole bunch of

[1:06:34] Voice 5: garden trellises that were both on and on the property ends on the road right away so we

[1:06:41] Voice 5: removed all of those one of the decks on the sleeping pattern that's not shown on this diagram

[1:06:49] Voice 5: because we did it after submitting the plan but we actually cut part of the deck off and removed the

[1:06:54] Voice 5: side of the deck just so we made it small enough just so we have stairs to connect the other part

[1:07:00] Voice 5: of the deck to the stairs down to the lower part of the property we also removed a it's still shown

[1:07:07] Voice 5: on this variance actually but there is a outdoor shower there was an outdoor shower attached to the

[1:07:14] Voice 5: main cabin and you remove that and the deck on that area as well and uh i think that's probably

[1:07:25] Voice 5: it so far there's still a number well we've taken down a woodshed that is um showing us to be removed

[1:07:34] Voice 5: and you've um actually another thing there's a deck on the main house where we we're going to

[1:07:41] Voice 5: cut about half of it off to bring it back to two meters we probably actually cut about two-thirds

[1:07:45] Voice 5: of it off and turn most of it into a stairway so kind of trying to minimize that impact um

[1:07:51] Voice 5: and i think that's probably it so far there's still a shed in two narrowing buildings to be

[1:08:00] Voice 5: removed i'm sorry one of the buildings is actually on lot 58 but that's being removed as well so

[1:08:05] Voice 5: So the part of lot 58 that we're merging with lot 59 has nothing to do with construction or anything like that.

[1:08:13] Voice 10: Okay, excellent. How do you consider, and this almost comes from a physical constraint,

[1:08:19] Voice 10: you do have the shed in the back and the studio walls are sitting on concrete blocks or off the ground, per se,

[1:08:30] Voice 10: say it's our foundation it's the potential for those to be shifted back in any degrees

[1:08:41] Voice 10: yeah

[1:08:42] Voice 5: so it's um a big challenge for us everything is on kind of concrete

[1:08:47] Voice 5: solid tubes that are i guess drilled into the sandstone um so you know it is off the ground

[1:08:53] Voice 5: don't guess but it is but

[1:08:54] Voice 10: you're actually fixed or not they are like a walk

[1:08:57] Voice 10: yeah

[1:08:59] Voice 5: yeah they are

[1:09:01] Voice 5: they are fixed and we kind of have the added challenge of being on russ and where we have

[1:09:06] Voice 5: no roads and we really have very few people that live full-time so we have uh i actually

[1:09:12] Voice 5: know a guy i'm able to hire two to three days a month that comes and works on or helps me with

[1:09:18] Voice 5: these projects so we are trying to do as much

[1:09:22] Voice 5: as we can and everything we can accomplish within

[1:09:25] Voice 5: the two-year um sort of time frame that we have to implement all this as well so i think we're

[1:09:30] Voice 5: actually ahead of where we thought we'd be which is good but um in terms of the buildings themselves

[1:09:37] Voice 5: like anything we would want to move you know they're also older buildings and in some cases

[1:09:43] there's a lot of issues in certain places so they would be you know tear down and then pull

[1:09:48] out the foundations and do new foundations and

[1:09:51] Voice 10: now with the greenhouse area this again

[1:10:01] Voice 10: yes we need the greenhouse have you considered making that just a glass wall on the inside

[1:10:07] Voice 10: side.

[1:10:13] Voice 5: It's kind of the same logistic issue. So the kind of

[1:10:18] Voice 5: construction of the greenhouse is actually built kind of right

[1:10:21] Voice 5: into the side of the cabin. So, you know, kind of, again, you

[1:10:27] Voice 5: have to basically carry the greenhouse down, move the

[1:10:29] Voice 5: footings and then um you know rebuild it and just once you put the picture you know

[1:10:38] Voice 10: it's not just do a glass wall right and just take away that it

[1:10:47] Voice 5: mostly is

[1:10:48] Voice 5: a glass wall that the bottom couple feet are wood but it is mostly glass um but it's also

[1:10:57] Voice 5: So it's not actually that large in design.

[1:11:00] Voice 5: So if we move the wall back,

[1:11:02] Voice 5: we kind of used to lose the usability of it.

[1:11:06] Voice 10: Yeah, no, fair enough.

[1:11:08] Voice 10: But again, it's

[1:11:09] Voice 5: a

[1:11:10] Voice 10: consideration given the amount.

[1:11:15] Voice 10: Anyways, that's pretty insights.

[1:11:17] Voice 10: I appreciate that.

[1:11:18] Voice 10: And that's the other one.

[1:11:22] Voice 10: Have you had, there was a comment in your report

[1:11:25] Voice 10: or regarding the sensitive ecosystems

[1:11:28] Voice 10: have been considered.

[1:11:31] Voice 10: Is there been a professional look at that,

[1:11:33] Voice 10: or is that just your opinion?

[1:11:37] Voice 5: Yeah, so actually a friend of Ben's and mine

[1:11:42] Voice 5: that has a place on the island with his wife

[1:11:44] Voice 5: is the chair of SEWIC.

[1:11:46] Voice 5: And he runs the projects doing the, let's go,

[1:11:54] i'm actually has projects in all the dc parks around dc identifying species and he's actually

[1:11:59] identified a lot as being a particular

[1:12:02] Voice 5: point on the island where you see things that you don't

[1:12:04] Voice 5: see anywhere else on the island so you know he's been through and seen all that and he actually

[1:12:10] Voice 5: i think was for this application that we had uh feedback from um first nations and

[1:12:17] they had some

[1:12:19] Voice 5: questions and he helped us answer those

[1:12:21] Voice 5: questions for them right so you had some input from

[1:12:25] Voice 5: outside yeah your level

[1:12:27] Voice 10: of expertise yeah

[1:12:29] Voice 5: yeah and i mean our goal is to basically be less invasive so you know we have quite a

[1:12:35] Voice 5: people you know the solar property had and you know were basically living probably 90 off solar

[1:12:41] well

[1:12:42] Voice 10: um

[1:12:54] Voice 9: thank you for um coming today and um you obviously acquired

[1:13:07] Voice 9: project

[1:13:07] Voice 5: that's not even getting into the massive maintenance issues the property's had so that's

[1:13:15] Voice 5: why we're six years into it yeah and i think i heard you say that you are or plan to live full

[1:13:20] time there we do we haven't i've lived there for six years that's fantastic um so i just want to

[1:13:27] acknowledge and thank you for acquiring

[1:13:30] Voice 9: the adjacent lot and consolidating it with that

[1:13:33] that is

[1:13:33] Voice 9: just such a good thing to be doing in locations

[1:13:37] Voice 9: in the Gulf Islands like Roxton,

[1:13:40] Voice 9: where there's plenty of lots and very good water,

[1:13:44] Voice 9: septic capability and all the rest of it.

[1:13:46] Voice 9: So that's great.

[1:13:48] Voice 9: And so I'll be quite honest,

[1:13:50] Voice 9: I'm much more favorable with your proposal

[1:13:56] Voice 9: as a result of that very thing that you're doing,

[1:13:59] Voice 9: because indeed that gives you a lot of credit

[1:14:02] Voice 9: it in my mind and indeed spreads the impact across a larger area although certainly let's not spread

[1:14:10] Voice 9: into that area you know indicate that you want to keep that as green space and that is fantastic um

[1:14:19] Voice 9: i'm in favor of the of the variants um i i said i certainly well there's two things that are on

[1:14:29] Voice 9: my mind is that we're certainly ideally going to provide you this variance but i would suggest that

[1:14:36] Voice 9: moving forward as time marches on and you realize um what more maintenance work that may be necessary

[1:14:44] Voice 9: um and sort of upkeep thing that would be ongoing if at any opportunity there's an opportunity to

[1:14:52] Voice 9: pull any of that stuff back into the property i would highly recommend that and i'm thinking

[1:14:59] Voice 9: particularly about the greenhouse and maybe one of the removing one of the sheds one of the sheds

[1:15:05] Voice 9: is staying but um if in that and some of them are not big and um if there's opportunities to

[1:15:12] Voice 9: continue to uh not encroach in that setback that would be terrific i'm less concerned about the

[1:15:21] Voice 9: uh set back on the road side um but i think it would just uh generally provide a better overall

[1:15:31] Voice 9: leaving a more rural impression um if building construction is not necessarily visible from

[1:15:37] Voice 9: roadways and laneways and the like and then um so that's just the word encouragement there's

[1:15:43] nothing i can do to tell you i'm 100 50 on that one there's a lot to maintain and certainly as

[1:15:50] we have the opportunity

[1:15:50] Voice 5: you know probably at some point two sheds will become one just from a simple

[1:15:55] Voice 5: you know fact that they're deteriorating and when we need to rebuild them then we can

[1:16:00] Voice 5: you know pull out the footings and put in new footings you know but we've got

[1:16:03] Voice 5: archaeological concerns in the area too so before we start digging you know that's a whole other

[1:16:08] Voice 5: thing we have to kind of get into so we're just trying to make sure we can do as much as possible

[1:16:14] it's part of this process but yeah absolutely you know on the same page in terms of lowering

[1:16:19] Voice 6: as long-term and

[1:16:20] Voice 9: just ask staff for advice here but i think that my assumption is true is that

[1:16:29] Voice 9: water tanks are actually

[1:16:30] Voice 9: exempted from being in the setback is that correct in the situation

[1:16:37] Voice 2: Yeah. Through the chair, I believe water tanks are not exempted. They are not permitted in

[1:16:46] Voice 2: the setback.

[1:16:51] Voice 9: That must have evolved over time. Okay,

[1:16:54] Voice 2: well, that's fine.

[1:16:54] Voice 9: So I would just say that if the

[1:16:57] Voice 9: water tanks are probably the easiest thing to relocate, if that opportunity exists, certainly

[1:17:01] Voice 9: be considered and you're already making improvements on the deck and i gotta tell you when i built my

[1:17:06] Voice 9: house i built decks on it and i'm taking those decks off because it's just way too much maintenance

[1:17:10] Voice 9: yeah long term so that's a good uh policy and then um i'm con you know it's uh where you are

[1:17:18] Voice 9: the head of herring bay there is there's absolutely no doubt it's an amazing place

[1:17:23] Voice 9: there's also no doubt in my mind that there would be significant archaeological um

[1:17:30] Voice 9: historical cultural use of those places in the past.

[1:17:36] Voice 9: And so indeed tread softly.

[1:17:39] Voice 9: And if anything shows up, you will have to stop.

[1:17:44] Voice 9: That's the law.

[1:17:45] Voice 9: And you're not indicating any new construction

[1:17:50] Voice 9: in those areas and only removal of things.

[1:17:54] Voice 9: So I presume that in removing it,

[1:17:57] Voice 9: you're not creating more damage and so the risk is absolutely minimal but if indeed you ever decide

[1:18:05] Voice 9: you're actually going to build within any of those areas or even anywhere on the property

[1:18:11] Voice 9: of anything significant that involves excavation you will definitely want to engage with the

[1:18:17] first nations and engage with the archaeological branch to ensure and respect that place

[1:18:27] Voice 9: you know unfortunately it does happen and it's one of the phone calls i don't want to get in

[1:18:33] Voice 9: the morning to hear that ancestors have been um disturbed in their resting places and um so

[1:18:43] absolutely

[1:18:43] Voice 9: be incredibly cautious there and try not to do any activities in those areas even

[1:18:50] Voice 9: though it may seem an innocent activity um and actually you know i'll just say it's also for

[1:18:58] Voice 9: your spiritual well-being as well as the ecologically appropriate and

[1:19:03] Voice 9: psychologically appropriate activity um those are important um i don't really have any other

[1:19:13] Voice 9: questions i appreciate the work that you're undertaking to come into compliance and i thank

[1:19:18] Voice 9: Thank you for consulting me a lot.

[1:19:24] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:19:24] Voice 10: I just sort of, how, from a, once again,

[1:19:31] Voice 10: beyond the tenure of the current applicant,

[1:19:34] Voice 10: in this case, down the road,

[1:19:36] Voice 10: somebody else buys this home,

[1:19:39] Voice 10: and how do we,

[1:19:40] Voice 10: because currently buildings that are too close to places,

[1:19:47] Voice 10: currently if the foundation's there,

[1:19:48] Voice 10: we can carry on as long as we build

[1:19:51] Voice 10: on those existing foundations um so how do we is there provisions

[1:19:58] Voice 10: less than how do we actually prevent that any future development requires that

[1:20:04] Voice 10: well this

[1:20:10] Voice 8: is a variance to grant the building i guess it's a

[1:20:13] Voice 9: very specific

[1:20:14] Voice 9: and maybe staff can speak to that.

[1:20:19] Voice 9: Your

[1:20:19] Voice 8: question is more about rebuilding.

[1:20:22] Voice 8: You're allowed to maintain.

[1:20:24] Voice 10: So all the building turns down

[1:20:26] Voice 10: or a new person comes

[1:20:27] Voice 10: and they replace that building,

[1:20:30] Voice 10: that new building should not be.

[1:20:35] Voice 10: They can't be made so that any new building

[1:20:37] of that consistent footprint

[1:20:39] actually is within the

[1:20:42] Voice 10: appropriate setback.

[1:20:44] Voice 10: as opposed to using the original foundation as your project.

[1:20:51] Voice 8: Margo, are you hearing Doug's question?

[1:20:55] Voice 2: Through the chair, yeah.

[1:20:56] Voice 2: I didn't hear all of it.

[1:20:59] Voice 2: Some of it cut out.

[1:21:00] Voice 2: But to my understanding, you're asking about

[1:21:02] Voice 2: what the development variance permit allows

[1:21:05] Voice 2: if all the buildings were removed.

[1:21:10] Voice 8: Any building were destroyed through fire

[1:21:13] Voice 8: or rebuilt in the future.

[1:21:15] Voice 2: yeah it's my understanding that a development this development variance permit would be to

[1:21:21] Voice 2: permit the existing buildings and structures as they are in the lot so if they were destroyed

[1:21:26] Voice 2: to to put the buildings the same as they are right now you need to apply for another

[1:21:31] Voice 2: development variance permit and receive approval but maybe heather wants to speak to that as well

[1:21:36] Voice 2: or confirm i'm not sure about fire but i just know that if you're removing structures that

[1:21:43] Voice 2: that the development variance permit is done.

[1:21:49] Voice 7: That's right, yeah.

[1:21:49] Voice 7: I will confirm what you're saying,

[1:21:51] Voice 7: that they need another variance permit too.

[1:21:56] Voice 7: If it had all burned down,

[1:21:57] Voice 7: they would need another permit to allow for the same setbacks

[1:22:02] Voice 7: and they'd need a variance permit to do that

[1:22:04] Voice 7: and to get any closer to the property line

[1:22:08] Voice 7: that also-

[1:22:08] Voice 9: They

[1:22:09] Voice 10: would have to come back to

[1:22:10] Voice 10: be able to-

[1:22:10] Voice 10: They would, yeah,

[1:22:11] Voice 7: yeah.

[1:22:12] Voice 9: yes yeah i think that if i'm not mistaken the specific buildings and footprints is what we're

[1:22:18] Voice 9: permitting not and not anything else yeah and just to add

[1:22:23] Voice 5: so we also have the ministry has always

[1:22:26] Voice 5: granted us a permit because the highway setback is four and a half meters yeah but that's revocable

[1:22:31] Voice 5: at any time so should they decide yeah we don't we don't want you within that four and a half

[1:22:35] Voice 5: meter setback you know anything within that it has to come out of the kind of thing so i understood

[1:22:41] Voice 5: it and

[1:22:41] Voice 9: then just for the point of clarity you know it's interesting little dilemma right because

[1:22:47] Voice 9: the way building construction happens and permits and building codes of things

[1:22:52] it happens differently in different places and that's the

[1:22:56] Voice 9: way it is um but when we talk about

[1:22:59] Voice 9: the reconstruction of the building on the original foundation i'm not 100 sure that pure blocks and

[1:23:05] Voice 9: when things necessarily constitute the definition

[1:23:10] Voice 9: of a foundation, because a foundation,

[1:23:13] Voice 9: I think really is a concrete structure

[1:23:15] Voice 9: that supports a building on top of it.

[1:23:17] Voice 9: And so

[1:23:17] Voice 9: there's some gray area there,

[1:23:20] Voice 9: but we can be as officious as we want to be if we choose,

[1:23:28] Voice 9: but I do think that,

[1:23:29] Voice 9: and Doug actually has raised very significantly

[1:23:33] Voice 9: can take that this isn't about you because i had a good feeling from you and you're doing the right

[1:23:39] Voice 9: thing but it's the next owner and once the zoning is in place we that's we have to consider what's

[1:23:45] Voice 9: this look like in perpetuity kind of thing but um i'm confident that we're in good hands at the

[1:23:51] moment and there are

[1:23:52] Voice 9: mechanisms the mechanisms of the permit itself do provide some constraints

[1:23:59] Voice 9: you feel good about that yeah

[1:24:01] Voice 10: i think i understand yeah maybe this whole process

[1:24:05] Voice 10: what we can actually do and what we can actually or should have done because we

[1:24:12] Voice 10: yeah you know because

[1:24:14] Voice 9: you said what we should have done there's lots of things that could have been

[1:24:18] Voice 9: done differently when all of the subdivisions happened and i i got to say when i looked at

[1:24:23] Voice 9: this lot and the configuration i said well he's trying to watch for a problem because you get

[1:24:28] Voice 9: You get such a loss of real estate by the shape of the lot.

[1:24:34] Voice 9: And the geography, you know.

[1:24:36] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:24:36] Voice 1: Oh, and then geography comes in.

[1:24:39] Voice 9: At ocean

[1:24:39] Voice 9: level, basic sea level, so.

[1:24:41] Voice 9: Well, we have

[1:24:41] Voice 9: lots of lots throughout the Gulf Islands,

[1:24:43] Voice 9: and there is no building.

[1:24:44] Voice 9: They have a lot, but there's no buildable area.

[1:24:46] Voice 9: And in fact, we've had people come in

[1:24:49] Voice 9: that want to sell their lot and work with the honest trust

[1:24:52] Voice 9: to figure out where they could build a building and set it up

[1:24:56] Voice 9: so that a future owner could buy it with confidence that it could do something and there's

[1:25:01] Voice 9: a there's a lot of interesting variations on the same thing

[1:25:04] Voice 8: okay my only comment is the archaeology

[1:25:07] Voice 8: is so you know of coming from a place of inquisitive and learning it's it's exciting

[1:25:13] Voice 8: and i think they've also felt that they do build up understanding in the community and we're all

[1:25:19] Voice 8: learning to respect you know what was here in the past and not be frightened by it or hide it or

[1:25:25] those things that we're trying to do that's all i encourage everyone else for us is to do their jobs

[1:25:32] because i know people are like i found something and they fight it and it's like no

[1:25:36] we want to make sure

[1:25:37] Voice 10: we're learning so

[1:25:39] Voice 11: trustee what would you like to do

[1:25:45] Voice 10: let's see um with the indigenous so explore one but the other one is embracing if you have an

[1:25:52] Voice 10: issue without questions but if you don't have contacts reach out to us we'll help you those

[1:25:58] Voice 10: contacts okay we've got more people we can get somebody to chat with you you know there's a small

[1:26:07] Voice 10: cost especially if everybody's small compared to about the opportunity report but once again

[1:26:14] Voice 10: instead of looking at that in the future having a conversation with the people that actually use

[1:26:19] Voice 10: of it here and they embrace that and you know be very supportive of the landowners actually

[1:26:28] Voice 10: coming to the global consults to have that conversations something to yeah probably

[1:26:34] Voice 10: encouraging right

[1:26:38] Voice 11: so please so

[1:26:39] Voice 9: i'll just wait one more remark and then i'll um

[1:26:44] Voice 9: you noted earlier that i asked to refer this application to our agency because i think this

[1:26:50] Voice 9: is a really good uh example of voluntary measures that you're taking in order to

[1:26:59] Voice 9: apply for a less demanding variance permit and it just sets an example of some of the things that

[1:27:07] Voice 9: sometimes we ask for but you've come forward and said well i'm going to remove this deck and i'm

[1:27:12] Voice 9: going to remove this building and oh okay so it's made it easier for us and so it's a good learning

[1:27:16] Voice 9: opportunity for a new advisory planning commission because quite often we might refer this to an advisory planning commission that would delay your process a bit and I don't know that at the end of the day it would come back any different and of course the other thing is that we would often refer this to First Nations to ask for their expressions of interest and you've already spoken with the ARC branch and they've told you what they know and we've said what we think and you have indicated that you are not planning any activities in

[1:27:46] Voice 9: that area um that could have those impacts and that we've made that verbal commitment

[1:27:51] Voice 9: commitment here that um if something comes up we will deal with it appropriately and so

[1:27:58] um that is also important to

[1:28:00] Voice 9: us so thank you for that and expect that to be upheld so

[1:28:05] Voice 9: i'll move then that's all right that the south local trust committee approved

[1:28:09] Voice 9: to approve issuance of development variance permit THDBP 2021.1 McKenna's is there a second

[1:28:17] Voice 8: any discussion all those in favor and that is carried so thank you thank you for coming today

[1:28:28] Voice 8: and uh good luck and uh congratulations on the upcoming to your family

[1:28:39] Voice 8: understand completely thank you so much for

[1:28:43] Voice 8: and

[1:28:44] Voice 9: especially to margo for all your kindness yes thank you thank you margo you got that margo

[1:28:50] Voice 9: thank you thank

[1:28:51] Voice 2: you okay

[1:28:53] Voice 8: so moving on we have on page 54 we have a bylaw back

[1:29:02] Voice 8: uh to us for approval or for

[1:29:10] Voice 8: adoption this is the biggest bylaw yeah i guess there is really

[1:29:15] Voice 8: no report really i think trustees are familiar with this there is a motion on the agenda package

[1:29:22] Voice 8: cover on page two um if you wish to adopt this i do you do would one of you like to move the motion

[1:29:33] Voice 8: Do

[1:29:37] Voice 9: you want to go with it, David?

[1:29:38] Voice 9: It's right there.

[1:29:39] Voice 9: It's right here.

[1:29:40] Voice 10: It's hiding right there.

[1:29:41] Voice 10: Excellent.

[1:29:42] Voice 10: Very good, sir.

[1:29:43] Voice 10: We move that the City of Sutherland Local Trust Committee,

[1:29:46] Voice 10: file 110, subject as City of Sutherland Local Trust Committee,

[1:29:51] Voice 10: piece by law 2021, be adopted.

[1:29:54] Voice 10: Is there a second?

[1:29:56] Voice 8: Absolutely.

[1:29:57] Voice 10: All right.

[1:30:00] Voice 8: like a second motion is there any discussion um do

[1:30:04] Voice 9: you want to speak to the question

[1:30:05] Voice 9: yeah so um you know please um as you know i'll say as small as the improvements are

[1:30:22] Voice 9: i am happy to be able to bring our fees into alignment or closer to alignment to our expenses

[1:30:32] Voice 9: associated with land use planning and this is a really important step for me because there's lots

[1:30:38] Voice 9: of demands from the public and trustees that we need to get more money from the province for the

[1:30:43] Voice 9: work that we do that we do on behalf of other british columbians in lots of cases it's a special

[1:30:49] Voice 9: place requires special attention and uh quite honestly we need to have our ducks all lined up

[1:30:56] Voice 9: on the border and one of them is having our fees set at an appropriate level and that's so when we

[1:31:03] Voice 9: go to the province and i look forward to having that opportunity for the promise to ask for more

[1:31:07] money for the alums trust i would say from general revenue from the problems that we can honestly say

[1:31:13] we've adjusted our bylaws to reflect what is a permissible level of these although there's

[1:31:20] possibly more room but this is what council is prepared to do this

[1:31:23] Voice 9: time and so far it's

[1:31:24] Voice 9: been well adopted and i feel happy with that so there we go

[1:31:29] Voice 11: another discussion

[1:31:33] Voice 10: for those who are not aware of the details on behind us this is far from cost recovery

[1:31:40] Voice 10: I mean, there's constant pressures from the masses to reduce our budgets, and the money to develop, the pressure for development.

[1:31:53] Voice 10: So, you know, this is a great step in the right direction, but nowhere near where we actually need to go.

[1:32:02] Voice 10: It's something that we're working towards with climate change,

[1:32:06] Voice 10: and it is an expression of the issue come up all the time,

[1:32:12] Voice 10: that local governments or provincial governments

[1:32:16] Voice 10: or federal governments budget and they do,

[1:32:19] Voice 10: but they expect the people that are actually implementing

[1:32:22] Voice 10: these to figure out how to do it,

[1:32:25] Voice 10: even though they're still finding a way out.

[1:32:29] Voice 10: So it's just

[1:32:30] Voice 6: an interesting conundrum

[1:32:32] Voice 10: that we're working through,

[1:32:33] Voice 10: but it's important to try to figure it out.

[1:32:35] Voice 10: And this is one of those baby steps.

[1:32:39] Voice 8: I should say, these are considered average costs for processing the applications.

[1:32:47] Voice 8: And because that's what the local government only allows us to recover is the average cost.

[1:32:55] Voice 8: So we're continuing to assess those fees.

[1:33:02] Voice 8: it's for for the general applications uh the confidence is pretty high that the average is

[1:33:09] Voice 8: average rezonings are difficult to get an average fee for rezoning because there's no two rezonings

[1:33:15] Voice 8: that are the same so the average is a broader range and you know there's a little less confidence

[1:33:21] Voice 8: by the rezoning pain but there's other things associated rezoning for cost so um the what we're

[1:33:30] Voice 8: working on we aren't we at this time we don't have the ability to capture referral costs

[1:33:36] Voice 8: especially building permits that come from the regional districts and but we are looking we

[1:33:42] Voice 8: have task staff to look at how to that should be a cost of building permit that we get to recover

[1:33:50] Voice 8: costs from so that we have asked to look at recovering uh those those costs so it's hard

[1:33:57] Voice 8: going to look at our planning budget because our planning budget our planners do other things like

[1:34:02] Voice 8: help us with projects like shoreline um projects and things which are

[1:34:08] Voice 8: proactive planning exercises clarify that so any further discussion

[1:34:19] Voice 8: okay then i'll call the vote all those in favor those fees are adopted thank you

[1:34:26] Voice 8: so the next item is what you've asked to the agenda on the ctc follow-up um

[1:34:36] Voice 9: yeah so um

[1:34:38] Voice 9: i'm not i'm not sure what was anticipated here post um event and um i want to

[1:34:47] Voice 9: one be sure that we're recording anything that we learned from that um and then

[1:34:55] Voice 9: and i gotta apologize i didn't follow the email thread um about our responsibility to

[1:35:01] Voice 9: report back to abcm with respect to this work um and and um and then indeed our responsibility to

[1:35:15] Voice 9: provide feedback to the nations that joined us um on this activity and uh how we're going to sort

[1:35:23] Voice 9: of capture that moment in time so that when we get to the next phase of conversation around shoreline

[1:35:32] Voice 9: development activities that we're uh embracing that and maybe then going to the next

[1:35:38] Voice 9: uh step um but i just say you know that um it's in the exercise to some

[1:35:46] Voice 11: extent was to determine

[1:35:48] Voice 11: to determine what values and

[1:35:55] Voice 9: what was important

[1:35:55] Voice 9: and what the interest of the nations

[1:35:58] Voice 9: is in protecting children.

[1:36:02] Voice 9: And I would say that in those conversations

[1:36:05] Voice 9: that there is alignment with the values and principles

[1:36:10] Voice 9: of preserving and protecting this place.

[1:36:12] Voice 9: In fact, I remember as we were coming along

[1:36:15] the shoreline of Valdez there

[1:36:18] Voice 9: in the boat,

[1:36:19] Voice 9: the conversation was absolutely we need to protect this place we need to protect this place and that

[1:36:26] Voice 9: was a really strong message of the saliency conference which is carried by all nations

[1:36:30] we need to do this so we're off on a good footing but there's obviously more work to continue on

[1:36:38] and they are at this point aware of what our thoughts and interests are

[1:36:43] Voice 9: and so i'm just

[1:36:45] Voice 9: wondering through the chair of staff what or if any anticipation you had for any of those things

[1:36:51] Voice 9: follow up to ubcm maybe you've already engaged in that follow-up with ubcm our own kind of follow-up

[1:36:59] Voice 9: i'm thinking about a repository for the photographs and other any other records

[1:37:06] Voice 9: that could be at least minimally available to the penelope to have access to and then what other

[1:37:14] Voice 9: following what we would do with penelicate and my action not just so do

[1:37:21] Voice 11: you want to chime in

[1:37:22] Voice 11: a photograph repository we could certainly be

[1:37:34] Voice 7: the keepers of those photographs um and make them

[1:37:38] Voice 7: available as you wish

[1:37:39] Voice 10: to wait having access to us just to be able to add more or go in and look at

[1:37:47] Voice 10: that are pretty good. And,

[1:37:56] Voice 9: you know, I think I want to be

[1:37:58] Voice 9: cognizant of, and I'm sure that you're thinking on the same

[1:38:02] Voice 9: line, is we don't want to overburden staff with some

[1:38:05] Voice 9: horrendous task here. And I know that we we've embarked upon a

[1:38:12] Voice 9: photo cataloging system at the animals trust. And so that

[1:38:15] Voice 9: requires that there be some kind of metadata associated with the

[1:38:20] Voice 9: photographs and so perhaps what would be helpful for us to take on as much of the burden as we can

[1:38:28] is if we

[1:38:29] Voice 9: had information to what information was required whether or not we could even enter the

[1:38:34] Voice 9: information um however it is because you want to know the location the dates the people that are

[1:38:41] Voice 9: in the photograph what's significant about the photograph and all that kind of stuff so i'm

[1:38:47] Voice 9: I'm cognizant of that from a computer guy,

[1:38:49] Voice 9: but, you know, who can point

[1:38:51] Voice 10: a finger at support points?

[1:38:55] Voice 9: So would you need some direction?

[1:38:58] Voice 7: Yeah, could be some direction on that.

[1:39:00] Voice 7: And I'm assuming it's looking to the appropriate way

[1:39:06] Voice 7: to catalog these.

[1:39:07] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:39:08] Voice 7: And in the meantime, it sounds like trustees

[1:39:10] Voice 7: will work on collecting their photos and categorizing them

[1:39:14] Voice 7: and laying them away.

[1:39:17] Voice 10: Yes, okay. Yes, exactly. But thinking forward, it's like a workstation-like interface that allows us, even the documents and our comments and ongoing things,

[1:39:31] Voice 10: so you may be in and out of a file that you go to a position where you're just on the road.

[1:39:37] Voice 10: but I see it as a yeah because we are actively at least as long as I'm actually elected trustee I

[1:39:47] Voice 10: will speak for myself that I will continue to participate providing access so we can do things

[1:39:58] Voice 10: we're not having to bother people but at the same time maybe that we can create

[1:40:03] Voice 10: adjustments to the work to be done in visions and other things down the road that we can add

[1:40:08] Voice 10: specifically and collectively just put thoughts down and thinking now they're asking a question

[1:40:14] Voice 10: without the pressure but at the same time we've captured it you know from that day

[1:40:18] Voice 10: yeah i'm

[1:40:27] Voice 7: not aware of something right now that does that but we can look at that there's

[1:40:34] Voice 9: something out there because i know some staff are working on that but it also strikes me again from

[1:40:40] Voice 9: from my computer background,

[1:40:42] Voice 9: that the WebDAV is a robust backed up system

[1:40:47] and that would

[1:40:48] Voice 9: presumably be maintained

[1:40:51] Voice 9: isn't left at the window of somebody to go,

[1:40:54] Voice 9: we don't need that deleted kind of thing.

[1:40:56] Voice 9: But obviously we could create a folder

[1:40:59] Voice 9: in that WebDAV system in the LTC section

[1:41:04] Voice 9: that would be, you know, shoreline development or whatever.

[1:41:08] and then that could become a

[1:41:10] Voice 9: repository over time for all kinds of things but obviously it just

[1:41:14] Voice 9: doesn't need to be a bin that stuff gets tossed into it needs to be labeled correctly and and

[1:41:19] some metadata attached to it and I think that's my main question is how can we be sure that we're

[1:41:25] doing that in the right ways and then indeed it's flagged and I also

[1:41:32] Voice 8: I mean I think it was

[1:41:33] Voice 8: it's very important, the learning that came from that,

[1:41:36] Voice 8: but it's a relationship building exercise.

[1:41:40] And as we continue the conversations

[1:41:46] for the project definition phase,

[1:41:48] you're gonna have more conversations.

[1:41:50] That was

[1:41:53] Voice 8: an initial conversation,

[1:41:55] Voice 8: but we're a long ways away

[1:41:56] Voice 8: from really understanding the opportunities

[1:42:01] other than the general

[1:42:03] Voice 8: learnings I think we all got out of that day, but we're long ways away from directing a project yet.

[1:42:14] Voice 9: And of course, you know, part of the reason for me wanting to share that shoreline guidelines report,

[1:42:22] Voice 9: for chair short and you know what i mean the shoreline development report um with the apc

[1:42:30] Voice 9: is because clearly one of the next phases here is we're going to want to engage people in that

[1:42:38] Voice 9: conversation in our own so that when we get to this place where we start getting more formal

[1:42:45] Voice 9: about regulatory outcomes um that what we're i think what we're trying to do here is to get

[1:42:55] Voice 9: community buy-in and support for us taking this on rather than struggle with it later and um

[1:43:04] and i don't think we don't have any expectation that this will

[1:43:08] happen this term or do some conclusion this term but i think we'd like to be in terms of

[1:43:17] Voice 10: Well, it's been the first, right, so

[1:43:20] Voice 10: there's these, at least my experience with this, is

[1:43:23] Voice 10: that I'm writing this work, it's been united by my teachers, and I use their excellence

[1:43:29] Voice 10: to be responsible, and I think the environmental assessment in person, traditional ecological

[1:43:38] Voice 10: And, um, but again, you know, I'm reflecting on that journey, I did not capture enough.

[1:43:45] Voice 10: I just had this question, thinking of how they would communicate, getting to know somebody

[1:43:52] Voice 10: involved, whatever, you know, since there's none of them there, you have to go back again

[1:43:59] Voice 10: and again and again, and you sort of come and be invited into their world more and more

[1:44:05] Voice 10: more come to understand their constraints whether it be technology or whatever the issues are

[1:44:12] Voice 10: political sometimes um so you'll get some bodies that will speak up and put pieces

[1:44:17] Voice 10: right and others don't so they say it once and then it's gone that's it if you haven't captured

[1:44:23] Voice 10: it's unfortunate that that opportunity has passed um so those who were recognizing audio records and

[1:44:33] Voice 10: um comments and even if they're your best recollection recollection then you just write

[1:44:38] Voice 10: that down um it doesn't have to be a quote-unquote but it's audience comment um there's somebody else

[1:44:46] Voice 10: on the road and as a project is developed

[1:44:55] Voice 1: so

[1:44:55] Voice 10: i just yeah i just need to encourage us to figure out how to do that we don't have to know

[1:45:02] Voice 10: no you're

[1:45:07] Voice 8: absolutely right we're starting a new chapter it's like i like to call it we're learning

[1:45:12] Voice 8: and we're kind of designing this as we go so it's going to be we're going to make mistakes

[1:45:19] Voice 8: uh but we have to keep trying so i'm

[1:45:24] Voice 9: trying we're going to try motion

[1:45:30] Voice 9: so i'll just share what i'll do is i'll just share with uh sarah what i kind of

[1:45:35] Voice 9: thought here

[1:45:36] Voice 9: and we combined this in some fashion but i was thinking that the ltc uh requests staff to provide

[1:45:45] Voice 9: provide guidance to create a repository of photos, information

[1:45:51] respecting the shoreline

[1:45:54] Voice 11: development work.

[1:46:06] Voice 8: You can read that back when you think about something.

[1:46:23] Voice 12: The data side of the trust committee directs staff

[1:46:26] Voice 12: to provide guidance to create records repository of photos

[1:46:34] Voice 12: and information respecting the shoreline development

[1:46:39] Voice 12: and is that how I could stay funded by the

[1:46:43] Voice 12: C2C?

[1:46:44] Voice 9: No. Yeah, I don't know. I think we probably expended

[1:46:47] Voice 9: that. There's no funding.

[1:46:50] Voice 10: Was it developed

[1:46:51] Voice 10: or was it shoreline protection?

[1:46:54] Voice 10: Yeah, shoreline protection.

[1:46:56] Voice 11: I

[1:46:57] Voice 10: have a development permit stuck in my head.

[1:47:02] Voice 10: one that will become 100 right is

[1:47:06] Voice 8: there a second question any discussion well that's okay heather

[1:47:11] Voice 8: the

[1:47:11] Voice 9: idea all

[1:47:13] Voice 11: right all those in favor carry all right there was another thought there but

[1:47:26] Voice 9: if it comes back okay

[1:47:28] Voice 8: we'll keep moving then uh next item on the agenda is uh on page 60 11.1

[1:47:36] Voice 8: is the agenda item that's an email of the abrupt shellfish or anything that needed to be done with

[1:47:47] Voice 8: this one um

[1:47:48] Voice 9: let me just chime in this is great that this letter got into our inbox right if it

[1:48:01] Voice 9: wasn't for this letter and if it wasn't for whatever the other communication was that had

[1:48:06] Voice 9: happened from shellfish we wouldn't even know about it and technically we don't know and um

[1:48:12] So I just want to confirm that

[1:48:15] Voice 9: although there may have been some conversations with the

[1:48:18] Voice 9: broad shellfish, we do not have an application for rezoning or referral or anything with

[1:48:28] respect to this.

[1:48:29] You don't?

[1:48:30] We don't.

[1:48:31] We haven't received one yet.

[1:48:32] Voice 7: We do.

[1:48:33] Voice 7: The potential applicant has contacted us and is initiating a conversation to start an

[1:48:40] Voice 7: application process, but there isn't one yet.

[1:48:43] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:48:44] Voice 9: And just to clarify, and this is important to members of our community, is there is a requirement through the provincial regulation that outlines this, that they need to seek conkind returns or rezoning or something from the LTC in order to proceed?

[1:49:09] That's correct.

[1:49:11] Voice 7: There is actually a rezoning application requirement.

[1:49:13] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:49:14] Voice 9: And so, and then I'm just going to say this, just again, for the public's benefit,

[1:49:22] we would fully expect that whether or not the LTC approved or denied that application,

[1:49:31] Voice 9: that the province would respect that. Yeah, exactly. And I will say, just again, for the

[1:49:41] Voice 9: record, they did it in the previous application. And so we would anticipate that that same

[1:49:47] Voice 9: thing would happen again um okay question

[1:49:55] Voice 10: yeah i'm just going to point in clarity and you and i go

[1:49:59] Voice 10: back for um i did reach up heather did you actually receive some idea for got in writing

[1:50:05] Voice 10: from them to turn them down i i

[1:50:10] Voice 7: don't know off the top of my head i can um i can work into that

[1:50:16] Voice 9: you know you are a qep but i mean do you have a different perspective on how it should be

[1:50:25] Voice 9: how it actually unfolds but i sort of think there's confusion at the front desk right which

[1:50:35] Voice 9: is the facility the gate the portal to the province about what those responsibilities are

[1:50:40] Voice 9: but i think they think it's the applicant's responsibility to do that not their

[1:50:45] Voice 9: responsibility and i think that you have suggested that the problem is

[1:50:51] Voice 10: well they're yeah i mean what they're telling the client and the applicant

[1:50:57] Voice 10: they have to go back to the drawing table because they got treated down by yeah well trust me but

[1:51:07] Voice 10: and again at the end of the day when we actually do our homework and try to figure that out

[1:51:11] Voice 10: I don't think anybody has actually paid for that with the local trust of Island Street.

[1:51:18] Voice 10: My experience as an EP is that they know about Island Street's trust in the community,

[1:51:26] Voice 10: but they don't necessarily, it's on their list of licensees for the referral process,

[1:51:31] Voice 10: but it's not an active engagement form.

[1:51:34] Voice 10: They don't get where you're at and how you put your connection to the Island Street

[1:51:39] Voice 10: When you actually bring that to their attention, they go, oh, brilliant, okay, well, let's go.

[1:51:46] Voice 10: So it's just, I think they're learning, but they're not necessarily aware of stress and or it's regulatory equipment.

[1:51:58] Voice 10: So I just suggest that we be mindful of that and when we record any of these transactions, we can reach out to them to ask.

[1:52:07] Voice 10: I mean, that's what I do, I just go straight to the whoever would respond to them.

[1:52:11] Voice 10: Who responds to them?

[1:52:12] Voice 10: Not the Syrians, and ask them a question, and who are they communicating with?

[1:52:18] Voice 10: And they'll send them to the plan where they're responsible.

[1:52:22] Voice 10: Often, Pilots' Trust is not in conversation.

[1:52:26] Voice 10: TPRD, if you follow them, they wait once a year.

[1:52:29] Some of us, definitely.

[1:52:31] Voice 10: But Pilots' Trust is not necessarily.

[1:52:32] Voice 10: very excited as i said the old cc for the general we're full we have to sometimes

[1:52:42] Voice 10: and they're quite a good receptor which will actually happen

[1:52:55] Voice 11: well i'm just being thoughtful here i wonder whether our staff have any

[1:52:58] Voice 9: remarks at all

[1:53:00] Voice 9: that but this is the dilemma right and that we don't have an application it may never happen

[1:53:08] Voice 9: and in terms of them actually coming to us to be zoning because maybe they got a bad taste in the

[1:53:12] Voice 9: But we got the community conversation that we had,

[1:53:16] Voice 9: and they just don't know.

[1:53:18] Voice 9: And so it's not up to the province

[1:53:20] Voice 9: to force an applicant to make an application.

[1:53:22] Voice 9: And maybe they've decided that they are not going to do it.

[1:53:25] Voice 9: But I'm just reflecting, I don't know

[1:53:27] Voice 9: how many years ago,

[1:53:28] Voice 9: let's just call it 10 years ago, just for sake of argument.

[1:53:32] Voice 9: I was in a UBCM event, I think, or some kind of an event.

[1:53:37] Voice 9: And all these people were sitting at the table.

[1:53:40] Voice 9: and all this same dilemma had just been banned

[1:53:43] Voice 9: and we've continuously had commitments

[1:53:46] Voice 9: that we would do better, they would do better

[1:53:49] Voice 9: and we will be consulted.

[1:53:50] Voice 9: And indeed, it's a little unnerving

[1:53:55] Voice 9: to think that maybe that isn't so.

[1:54:00] Voice 9: But I think it would be unfair to actually say

[1:54:04] Voice 9: that they don't know about Dallas Trust.

[1:54:06] Voice 9: They certainly are.

[1:54:07] Voice 9: They don't understand what the responsibilities

[1:54:10] Voice 9: abilities

[1:54:10] Voice 10: are just like even the job office so like getting retired conversations and they will

[1:54:17] Voice 10: just do their thing and so often they are feeling more informative

[1:54:25] Voice 10: it's not necessarily

[1:54:27] Voice 9: you'd like to think it was a checklist like we need to check those

[1:54:31] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:54:39] So we just received that.

[1:54:41] Yeah.

[1:54:42] We're seeing.

[1:54:44] One other

[1:54:44] Voice 10: comment just around.

[1:54:46] Voice 10: The staff.

[1:54:51] Voice 10: Spoke up.

[1:54:52] Voice 10: And we've got that.

[1:54:54] Voice 10: Is.

[1:54:58] Voice 10: And do you have that?

[1:55:01] Voice 10: I

[1:55:01] Voice 7: believe I do.

[1:55:02] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:55:02] Voice 7: okay so maybe it's to

[1:55:03] Voice 9: be sure that we have it actually sure

[1:55:06] Voice 7: i mean we are we are still finding

[1:55:09] Voice 7: any comments that we get okay okay i just didn't know that

[1:55:14] Voice 10: lost because it was after the meeting

[1:55:15] Voice 10: yeah and

[1:55:19] Voice 9: it that's an interesting dilemma right because we don't have to fight over it

[1:55:24] so where's this stuff getting deposited right so i want

[1:55:27] Voice 9: to just acknowledge and thank you for

[1:55:29] Voice 9: or create a profile and say right

[1:55:35] Voice 12: if

[1:55:40] Voice 7: there's other correspondence here we don't have it

[1:55:45] so it can't yeah yeah when we see the application we'll see all the questions yeah okay that's

[1:55:55] good the next item here is more for information that the province is re-examining its boundaries

[1:56:02] boundaries for the provincial election boundaries, so that activity

[1:56:07] Voice 8: is underway, if there's any action on that.

[1:56:12] Voice 9: I don't know if there's any direct impacts locally.

[1:56:18] Voice 8: Not anymore. We felt there was a problem. Yeah, no, I'm sure there is, yeah.

[1:56:22] Voice 11: Yeah. So

[1:56:23] Voice 8: that's information. And that brings us to the next item here, which is the suggested language for the annual report on page 62.

[1:56:42] Voice 8: Did you have any comments or suggestions or language that you'd

[1:56:48] Voice 11: like to see?

[1:56:48] Voice 11: I have a couple of thoughts but only one item.

[1:56:56] Voice 9: Go ahead. So this is brilliant, thank you.

[1:57:00] Voice 9: What I would like to add is on the last paragraph

[1:57:04] Voice 9: about the relationship building, we cannot continue to initiate shoreline coastal strategy,

[1:57:11] Voice 9: to say something that the purpose of this exercise was to

[1:57:22] Voice 11: develop understanding

[1:57:24] Voice 11: understanding the values and importance of the

[1:57:33] Voice 9: territory to the nations.

[1:57:35] Voice 9: So I'm just acknowledging

[1:57:37] Voice 10: that part

[1:57:39] Voice 11: of it, otherwise it's not obvious necessarily why we're doing it.

[1:57:44] Voice 7: Sounds like Sarah has something to add. Yeah.

[1:57:47] Voice 8: Let's have a conversation for a minute, then we can circle back. Did you have a comment?

[1:57:51] Voice 8: comment? Yeah,

[1:57:52] Voice 10: just the name itself should be

[1:57:55] Voice 10: Penelakut Tribe. And

[1:58:01] I have some First Nation

[1:58:02] Penelakut Tribe.

[1:58:05] Any other

[1:58:14] Voice 11: changes? That's the only change I have.

[1:58:17] Voice 11: Sarah, did you capture that one?

[1:58:20] Voice 12: I've replaced

[1:58:21] Voice 12: Penelakut First Nation with Penelakut Tribe.

[1:58:24] Voice 12: And then all through.

[1:58:26] Voice 12: And then I've added at the end

[1:58:28] Voice 12: the purpose of the exercise

[1:58:31] Voice 12: is to develop the values

[1:58:32] Voice 12: and importance of the territory

[1:58:34] Voice 12: territory to the First Nations so understanding the purpose of the exercise is to understand

[1:58:44] Voice 12: the values and importance of the territory yeah can

[1:58:50] Voice 10: we say increase understanding because

[1:58:53] Voice 10: we don't understand yet no that's true we are really thorough on the journey to learn but

[1:58:59] Voice 11: happy with that

[1:58:59] Voice 11: yeah understanding

[1:59:01] Voice 8: do we need a motion to have those specific words

[1:59:05] Voice 11: or can you

[1:59:07] you say i was amending the motion to carry the story what

[1:59:11] Voice 7: would you prefer i do need to capture

[1:59:13] Voice 7: that specifically i

[1:59:16] Voice 9: would just move that paragraph one two five be

[1:59:20] Voice 11: amended as follows in the words

[1:59:25] Voice 11: we can't just replace it

[1:59:28] Voice 7: we can't just replace it with the amendment um yes yes i'm just saying

[1:59:34] Voice 7: yes okay so okay so we don't

[1:59:37] Voice 8: have a motion for the words we'll just say

[1:59:40] Voice 8: okay thank you that makes it so much

[1:59:42] Voice 8: easier all right one of you want to make that motion

[1:59:45] Voice 8: referring to the text as amended included i'll

[1:59:50] Voice 9: move these out with the trust committee endorses

[1:59:52] Voice 9: the following text conclusion as amended in the 2021-2022 annual report for approval by the house

[2:00:00] Voice 9: council's submission to the municipal affairs announcement.

[2:00:03] Voice 9: So I'll second it.

[2:00:04] Voice 8: Vice President

[2:00:05] Voice 11: Benton, any discussion?

[2:00:07] Voice 8: All the vote, all those in favor?

[2:00:09] Voice 8: That's carried.

[2:00:12] So the next thing here-

[2:00:15] So I have to finish my own letter

[2:00:17] for

[2:00:17] Voice 8: the next report now.

[2:00:20] Voice 8: You guys are on it this year, which is good.

[2:00:23] Voice 8: Okay, so the next thing we have here,

[2:00:26] Voice 8: you were gonna add a community meeting expenditure.

[2:00:32] Voice 8: i

[2:00:32] Voice 9: was excited to do business so okay so um i think i've reached everybody and you're maybe

[2:00:38] Voice 9: i think you are you're aware but we doug and i felt that because of the circulation of more

[2:00:46] Voice 11: um more opinion being circulated by email and a letter you know on the web that was necessary

[2:01:02] to provide the opportunity for questions and clarity around what the Amstrad is actually doing

[2:01:10] Voice 9: and so I apologize for not thinking about doing this in advance but I wasn't sure what the cost

[2:01:20] Voice 9: would be but anyway we need to rent this space and so Doug and I held a Saturday session here

[2:01:27] Voice 9: two sessions two hours each where we had 20 members of the public attend and address answering

[2:01:33] questions that the public had with respect to uh the policy statement primarily but also the

[2:01:39] government's review and and even some budget information uh budget federation budget questions

[2:01:47] and um so

[2:01:48] Voice 9: i would like to ask for those the fees for the space use for local trust committee

[2:01:56] Voice 9: any community engagement um to be approved by the ltc so i can and i would just simply expense that

[2:02:01] Voice 9: on my expense point and i'm not sure if there's taxes involved in that so i'm just going to make

[2:02:07] a motion if that's all right that's just some other suggestion

[2:02:09] Voice 9: that i've moved that the ltc

[2:02:13] Voice 9: uh uh approve um payment of uh rental fees for uh community engagement exercise up to a hundred

[2:02:24] dollars i said

[2:02:26] Voice 8: up up 200 dollars yeah i think it's 80 bucks plus tax so would that be as a trustee

[2:02:35] Voice 8: expense i'm just trying to do it yeah because we have under the budget there's a tiny bit of money

[2:02:41] called a trustee expense oh i think it'd be communications so i'm just i'm just trying to

[2:02:48] review your copy of the client i just want to make sure it

[2:02:50] Voice 8: lines up with a budget item

[2:02:54] Voice 8: so it would be as a communications expense okay okay so then i'll track

[2:02:59] Voice 9: that number when i submit

[2:03:01] Voice 9: my personal connection um is that seconded

[2:03:05] Voice 8: so you need to discuss that okay so second by trustee

[2:03:09] Voice 8: yes

[2:03:10] Voice 12: okay uh that we just had an interesting approved payment of room rental fees

[2:03:17] Voice 12: for community engagement meetings for up to,

[2:03:22] Voice 12: for an amount up to $1,000.

[2:03:27] Voice 8: That's a local LTC communications expense, I think it is.

[2:03:34] It just needs to have that reference in there.

[2:03:36] Is that the budget?

[2:03:40] Voice 8: There is, but I don't know if you need to,

[2:03:42] Voice 8: if you want that full range of that.

[2:03:44] Voice 8: But I think just getting,

[2:03:45] Voice 8: calling up a communications expense

[2:03:47] Voice 8: expense against the direction as to where it needs to go.

[2:03:51] Voice 8: Okay, can I just read it back again?

[2:03:53] The benefit is that an LTC approves payment

[2:03:55] Voice 12: of your rental fees for community engagement meetings

[2:03:59] Voice 12: for an amount up to $100 as an LTC communications expense.

[2:04:03] Voice 12: There. That was

[2:04:05] Voice 8: seconded by Christopher. Any discussion?

[2:04:08] Voice 10: Is this for this one event or should we say per event? Can we say, you know, per event?

[2:04:15] Voice 10: then we can because we've talked about how to teach it well i did consider that

[2:04:21] Voice 9: because um

[2:04:22] Voice 9: i think maybe we might just do that by every hour or something or maybe it's just simpler to do it

[2:04:29] Voice 9: now but there was conversation it was so well received people said that you should do this

[2:04:34] Voice 9: more often so the notion that doug and i talked about was that when we get the end policy statement

[2:04:41] Voice 9: uh assessment of the surveys and the feedbacks and that that's become published that we might

[2:04:50] Voice 9: want to hold another event post council which would be sometime in june um i'm not sure when

[2:04:57] Voice 9: our next ltc is it's actually july the 5th but i think we were thinking that that would be june

[2:05:04] a good time for you so um so then

[2:05:12] Voice 9: although it's moved and seconded the motion at this point

[2:05:15] Voice 9: we could actually um make that two hundred

[2:05:20] Voice 11: dollars and cover to cover two events

[2:05:24] Voice 11: and am i spending too much money it's in your budget it's already in your budget

[2:05:32] Voice 11: no it's not yet

[2:05:33] Voice 9: so perhaps then um to make an amendment to the motion which would be to

[2:05:37] Voice 9: increase the amount to 200 to come to support two events

[2:05:49] Voice 3: close to a friendly emotion there i think we're all friendly yeah

[2:05:54] Voice 11: all right so that's perfect

[2:05:57] Voice 8: and so we're going to make it work and actually

[2:05:58] Voice 8: all right uh then i will vote all those in favor and that's carried thank you thank you

[2:06:07] All right. So now, were

[2:06:14] Voice 8: there any, we kind of jumped over the applications.

[2:06:18] Voice 8: Were there any questions on your two applications?

[2:06:23] Voice 8: I think we're going to send you some from Salisbury.

[2:06:28] Voice 9: See, we're so close by.

[2:06:30] Voice 9: Any

[2:06:31] Voice 8: land you can see from Salisbury, we're going to send you to.

[2:06:35] Voice 8: Well,

[2:06:39] Voice 11: I do have a question there.

[2:06:42] shoot

[2:06:43] Voice 9: i'm just reading the detail here because it says 19th january 2022 no change in status

[2:06:51] Voice 9: um it does strike me to help me here that is um the preliminary layout approval

[2:07:01] Voice 9: i think was approved for

[2:07:04] Voice 7: your current subdivision in 1998 yeah i'm sorry yeah

[2:07:08] Voice 9: 1998.1 i think the preliminary lab was approved and it doesn't indicate here um by mochi

[2:07:18] Voice 11: um and so

[2:07:25] Voice 9: this is obviously in the hands of modi for that subdivision to be approved and then subsequently

[2:07:34] Voice 9: presumably those properties would be available on the open market because uh presently those

[2:07:41] Voice 9: those lots would not be available on the open market.

[2:07:43] Voice 9: And then that would conclude that phase,

[2:07:46] Voice 9: because I think it's actually a third phase

[2:07:48] Voice 9: of this strategy that's envisioned.

[2:07:53] Voice 9: So I'm curious about what's the status

[2:07:57] Voice 9: of that subdivision.

[2:07:59] Voice 9: Do you have any idea?

[2:08:00] Voice 9: I don't, but that's another one we can kind of look into.

[2:08:04] Do you want me to direct you to that?

[2:08:06] No, just that I'm going to do this.

[2:08:08] Okay, because it would be,

[2:08:10] because there's some conversation about some affordable housing project that's up there

[2:08:14] it's just hearsay that's what they say in the courts and

[2:08:17] Voice 9: obviously whatever happens on that

[2:08:21] Voice 9: property would be contingent on that subdivision being completed applications okay we could have

[2:08:33] the finance report here and February quite just like you're in but I don't

[2:08:39] Voice 8: think they had any

[2:08:41] Voice 8: okay top priorities list on page 69. I guess I jumped over your standing resolutions but I don't

[2:08:54] Voice 8: think you have any questions there on to the top priorities continuing ongoing

[2:09:04] I'm sorry I just

[2:09:06] Voice 7: want to comment yes go ahead um so I'm trying to take your bar by law um it is

[2:09:12] Voice 7: this close. It did go to the ministry. The OCP went to the ministry. The ministry has requested

[2:09:18] that it be re

[2:09:20] Voice 7: -referred to First Nations. Since it was originally referred, the list of First

[2:09:29] Voice 7: Nations that have an interest has been expanded. And so we have sent that referral out.

[2:09:37] Voice 7: That's for the repairing area?

[2:09:39] Voice 7: It's for the repairing area.

[2:09:42] Voice 7: right so um uh if we don't get we have a comment period of 60 days that we've um requested comments

[2:09:51] from um and um if we don't care back we'll likely just the

[2:09:58] Voice 7: ministry will we'll uh we will report

[2:10:02] Voice 7: back to the ministry on that referral and then they will give us their response so whether that's

[2:10:08] Voice 7: 60 days ago um i think we sent the referral um about three weeks ago yeah so yeah

[2:10:19] Voice 11: yeah i know

[2:10:21] Voice 7: it's first public hearing we had a um we didn't have a conversation yeah

[2:10:28] um we had a conversation we won't see any of those referral responses unless

[2:10:33] you think that it's necessary

[2:10:34] Voice 9: and then we'll start again that's right

[2:10:40] Voice 10: that's not on the initial list because i believe it's there you actually use that it is

[2:10:52] Voice 10: no they've

[2:10:53] Voice 8: had recently so let's bring this well there's been a nation that's

[2:10:57] Voice 8: added to the traditional territory or area so yeah

[2:11:06] For us, I think it was, I think it was, yeah,

[2:11:10] Voice 8: it's the same, Salt Spring, it's the same nation.

[2:11:15] Voice 8: Okay, yeah.

[2:11:16] Voice 9: Well, let's hope and pray. All right,

[2:11:21] Voice 8: any other comments then?

[2:11:22] Voice 8: Or just sitting here? Well,

[2:11:29] Voice 9: in terms of talk about armies, should this be rejigged or we just walk

[2:11:34] and this continue to be in a holding pattern it doesn't work doesn't matter

[2:11:37] Voice 7: well i am i you'll

[2:11:40] Voice 7: note on the fual that i i do intend to bring a report back and i didn't do this one but i will

[2:11:46] Voice 7: at your next meeting um to bring back your your projects lists to have one more wholesome

[2:11:53] Voice 7: discussion about that kind of um in part to look at the next ltc term and you know what you want

[2:12:00] Voice 7: to move forward um but also maybe a recommendation on how to be organized for projects lists

[2:12:06] Voice 7: and that might be a good time to look at this list and maybe by then we'll

[2:12:11] Voice 7: we'll have a status on this recovery area bylaw and we'll be able to know what to do with it

[2:12:16] Voice 7: that's what i suggest maybe next next meeting okay because i'm inclined to demote it yeah

[2:12:23] Voice 7: right because it's almost done yeah and that's that's good

[2:12:28] Voice 9: just keep it on the list of course

[2:12:30] Voice 9: because you need to have that but we could just indicate the obvious immediate interests of the

[2:12:39] Voice 9: LTC which is in the hand-in-hand shoreline and coastal protection strategy and relationship

[2:12:44] Voice 9: building with First Nations and you know it's interesting when I read the

[2:12:51] Voice 9: the information captured there,

[2:12:58] Voice 9: this narrative or place, co-governance, co-management,

[2:13:04] Voice 9: follow-up from associated OCP, LBB review,

[2:13:07] Voice 9: land use considerations,

[2:13:08] Voice 9: that conversation came about

[2:13:12] Voice 9: when we did the associated OCP.

[2:13:15] Voice 9: Well, as time marches on,

[2:13:18] Voice 9: we're being told that we should be consolidating OCPs

[2:13:22] Voice 9: um or that the minimum we should be doing these things every 10 years or this thing will be 10

[2:13:26] Voice 9: years old by the time you get around and i'm not it's not a criticism it's just the obvious

[2:13:34] Voice 9: and i have no idea how it is that we can do justice to um

[2:13:42] Voice 11: the work it's the uh it's the

[2:13:47] Voice 11: catch Tony, too.

[2:13:54] Voice 11: That's a

[2:13:54] Voice 9: challenge, but very worthwhile.

[2:13:58] Voice 9: Okay, so I'm happy with that idea that we'll have a

[2:14:01] Voice 9: discussion.

[2:14:03] Voice 10: I just want to be one out of there. Yeah. I, once again, just

[2:14:11] Voice 10: food for thought for future conversations, but shoreline

[2:14:14] Voice 10: protection, coastal protection, building relationships with First Nations, and island-wide watershed

[2:14:23] Voice 10: protection are like all of our projects. There's no, I don't see First Nations, and currently

[2:14:36] Voice 10: I'm no longer looking for input, I guess, is that that is not a project, that is a climate change,

[2:14:43] Voice 10: it's it's a paradigm shift and everything we do will be impacted by that and i would argue that

[2:14:50] Voice 10: island-wide watershed protection is in the same in the sense that it connects to the ocean which

[2:14:58] Voice 10: feeds the shoreline so everything that happens upland on to in a watershed impacts across all

[2:15:08] Voice 10: of these activities so that somehow we rethink or consider thinking actually how we picture

[2:15:17] Voice 10: this because there may be one specific watershed protection issue or something we work on over time

[2:15:25] Voice 10: i always care just to think about how we just like relationships with first nations and our

[2:15:32] Voice 1: sure operation

[2:15:33] Voice 10: that we think on this and find a mechanism or framework that will actually support

[2:15:40] Voice 10: these as covers across all decision-making um and not any one part of the project

[2:15:46] Voice 10: it may feed into number three which is the student support and habitat frustration

[2:15:53] Voice 10: but as a project or as something we do in concept for global concerns but

[2:15:59] Voice 10: but those other pieces are defeated anything and should anything that is

[2:16:07] Voice 10: i think that was one of the reasons why we've taken the

[2:16:14] Voice 8: approach you did the short-lining

[2:16:15] Voice 8: coastal protection strategy was to have that big thing now as to how you want to build a project

[2:16:22] with these broader um ideas how does that get built in a way that becomes something tangible

[2:16:29] and

[2:16:30] Voice 8: a project that makes sense and has an ending of where we're going with it and so i think that's

[2:16:37] Voice 8: how we started listed find that place to say okay it can't be forever big it's got to start to shape

[2:16:46] Voice 8: to having a destination an ending of what what what is the end of this project look like

[2:16:54] Voice 8: and that's i think the space

[2:16:56] Voice 11: that we're trying to find on that is um that makes sense yeah i put a

[2:17:05] Voice 11: comment to that i think that it's

[2:17:06] Voice 10: like a strategy which is that and the framework may be in place

[2:17:13] Voice 10: but the framework in itself will be more pillar-like feeding the line of different specific

[2:17:19] Voice 10: smaller projects over time whether that be a you know ability to house a building a subdivision

[2:17:26] Voice 10: or installing the beach or such you know all of these pieces um this foreign protection

[2:17:33] Voice 10: will feed into that uh as well as nations as well um by watershed protection it's not a specific

[2:17:43] Voice 10: watershed for any one question it was deep watershed and how we behave

[2:17:51] Voice 8: It's almost OCP-ish, because when you talk about framework and policy, that's almost

[2:18:03] Voice 8: a new vision of what the OCP is hanging on, because then all the work comes out of it.

[2:18:11] Yeah, I really take the comment about it being a paradigm shift in our

[2:18:15] Voice 7: project, that relationship

[2:18:19] Voice 7: relationship building is something we should be doing all the time in all the ways we work.

[2:18:24] Voice 7: In my mind, from a project management standpoint, the boat tours, for instance, were a project, right?

[2:18:32] Which had the goal of

[2:18:34] Voice 7: part of it being relationship building, but the relationship building was not necessarily a project on the list.

[2:18:40] Voice 7: Yeah, so I really, yeah, that's part of my approach as well.

[2:18:46] Voice 7: And I think you're right,

[2:18:48] Voice 7: charm learning, coastal protection

[2:18:49] Voice 7: are big goals that we're reaching.

[2:18:52] Voice 7: And what are the, we have to identify

[2:18:55] Voice 7: what the projects are

[2:18:56] Voice 7: within each of that.

[2:18:57] Voice 7: Yeah, I think.

[2:19:02] Voice 11: We're working on it.

[2:19:03] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:19:05] Voice 11: We're working on it.

[2:19:07] Voice 11: This

[2:19:07] Voice 9: may be a remark that I think that,

[2:19:10] Voice 9: But, you know, time marches on.

[2:19:15] Voice 9: And I think that Heather, what you've suggested with the projects list

[2:19:20] Voice 9: and reviewing that, I mean, staff has a project list.

[2:19:25] Voice 9: But in reflecting on thinking about having that in preparation

[2:19:33] Voice 9: for an incoming local trust committee, right?

[2:19:38] Voice 9: I'm just looking at these funds in 2012, 2013.

[2:19:42] Voice 9: you know there's a little there's a little um trap

[2:19:48] Voice 11: which is the the lofty ideals

[2:19:52] Voice 11: of an excitement and because indeed island

[2:20:02] Voice 9: wide watershed protection 10 years ago was a very

[2:20:06] Voice 9: different conversation than it is today so the paradigm has already shifted and we haven't got

[2:20:12] Voice 9: there yet and and to be honest i don't know that we necessarily east island is you know it's another

[2:20:18] Voice 9: in the level of development is significant.

[2:20:24] Voice 9: We've got two applications on the agenda

[2:20:27] Voice 9: and sometimes we have none.

[2:20:29] Voice 9: And so the impact is different,

[2:20:32] Voice 9: but that said, all of those things

[2:20:35] Voice 9: that we don't actually get applications for

[2:20:38] Voice 9: that people do on their property,

[2:20:39] Voice 9: like clearing the building,

[2:20:41] Voice 9: otherwise have the potential to impact

[2:20:44] the effect of watershed protection.

[2:20:46] Of course, he doesn't even mention so much

[2:20:49] about watershed protections,

[2:20:50] Voice 11: but sustaining the systems associated with a watershed.

[2:21:02] Voice 11: So with respect to what Doug has said

[2:21:06] Voice 9: about the paradigm shift,

[2:21:07] Voice 9: in that intervening 10 years,

[2:21:09] Voice 9: we now have significantly more knowledge

[2:21:13] Voice 9: and knowing and awareness around watershed protection.

[2:21:16] Voice 9: And in fact, the watershed project of the projects that Ulaanbaatar and other islands

[2:21:24] Voice 9: are engaged in is definitely changing our worldview and shifting our paradigm, whether

[2:21:30] Voice 9: we want it or not, into a much more holistic understanding.

[2:21:37] Voice 9: And so in many respects, these projects actually need to be revisited.

[2:21:45] Voice 9: certainly it's good to have some some of the things that I just said in kind of a reporting

[2:21:51] Voice 9: out of that as I say well this is what you were thinking 10 years ago this is where we're at today

[2:21:55] this needs to look like this and and ideally I think Laura that this other work is informing

[2:22:04] and assisting and supporting projects to be undertaken that there is a potential path that

[2:22:11] Voice 9: is now clearer than what it was here because indeed this is kind of wallowed here a little bit

[2:22:16] Voice 9: because of we didn't have a real good clear understanding what it meant for thieves so um

[2:22:22] Voice 9: yeah

[2:22:22] Voice 8: i think generally we're getting we're getting better that's the work we're working on is getting

[2:22:27] Voice 8: better at the fit of uh because there's actually three levels of work one one is the individual

[2:22:34] Voice 8: island it could be regional could be a group of islands or its federation

[2:22:39] Voice 11: and so

[2:22:41] Voice 8: think if you look at like salts so in the federation freshwater strategy salt spring's

[2:22:46] Voice 8: about to do a watershed strategic plan for the island but we also recognized as we were doing

[2:22:57] Voice 8: the governance and looking at the governance that a regional concept is still got to be thought of

[2:23:04] Voice 8: so that we're being efficient and effective with our work and what's happening on salt spring could

[2:23:11] Voice 8: be relevant but then when we

[2:23:12] Voice 8: raised you know when you start to look at region there's a constructed

[2:23:16] Voice 8: region are we looking at the capital regional district or when we start to think of our

[2:23:22] Voice 8: relationship with first nations the region could be different it could be salt spring adidas or

[2:23:29] Voice 8: something because of the first nations interest in that so the conversations get interesting and

[2:23:34] Voice 8: And to me, that's only interesting.

[2:23:37] Voice 8: It's not restraining.

[2:23:38] Voice 8: So we have referred off the governance work we did back to the province on the conversation

[2:23:47] Voice 8: on the region, in particular, with that First Nations question, because we

[2:23:56] Voice 11: don't know the

[2:23:56] Voice 11: answer.

[2:23:59] Voice 8: But you'll benefit from the work that's being done on Salt Spring anyway, because there'll

[2:24:03] Voice 8: the aspects of that watershed protection that makes sense or could make sense anyway i'm

[2:24:13] just assuming that this report about the top priorities would also include people to the

[2:24:19] projects yeah yes so

[2:24:22] Voice 11: i'm totally happy with that all right any other conversation maybe i'm just

[2:24:37] Voice 10: is we don't talk about sort of equal justice to the ecosystem health and ecosystem health

[2:24:45] Voice 10: in respect to all species not just not dividing humans from that so we're looking at higher level

[2:24:54] Voice 10: um and feedback so just because once again we're objects we come from that over time

[2:25:02] Voice 10: but the actual paradigm and or pillar is to look at and equal justice gives us you know men so it's

[2:25:12] Voice 10: again protection of the environment and correcting those injustices protecting preserving but also

[2:25:21] Voice 10: just you know killings as well as opportunities around so the ethnic issue is brought up even

[2:25:29] Voice 10: though as trust council we don't do that well yet we don't have a framework for that we're just

[2:25:37] Voice 10: starting to open up those schools to figure out what those layers would look like but i would

[2:25:46] Voice 10: think that some of these questions and some of these older children the last 10 years or 15 years

[2:25:52] Voice 10: have been you know pieces of that picture and so something to be thinking about

[2:26:10] Voice 11: further

[2:26:16] Voice 8: questions on that then the next meeting will be on july 5th

[2:26:22] Voice 8: long ways away but it always comes quickly and with that we're going to go into a closed meeting

[2:26:29] Voice 8: I move that

[2:26:36] Voice 6: the meeting be closed in

[2:26:37] Voice 11: public in accordance with the Committee Charter

[2:26:39] Voice 11: Part 4, Section 3, Section 8, Subsection 1A,

[2:26:44] Voice 9: and for the purpose of considering adoption

[2:26:46] Voice 9: of any calendar minutes, on July 21st and February 30th,

[2:26:50] Voice 9: 10 and 20, advisory planning commission members, and Recorder and staff 10 and 80.

[2:26:56] Voice 9: Thank you for coming.

[2:27:00] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:27:01] Voice 9: If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to myself or Doug.

[2:27:04] Yeah.

[2:27:05] You have to speak with me.

[2:27:09] Voice 11: Oh, no, no, no.

[2:27:10] Voice 11: It shouldn't be too long.

[2:27:12] Voice 11: I may be.

[2:27:14] Voice 11: All right.

[2:27:15] Voice 11: Thanks.

[2:27:18] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:27:19] Voice 8: That's been seconded.

[2:27:20] Voice 8: Any discussion?

[2:27:21] Voice 8: No.

[2:27:22] Voice 8: I'll call the vote then.

[2:27:23] Voice 8: All those in favor?

[2:27:25] Yeah.

[2:27:25] Aye.

[2:27:26] So I just have to stop recording here and speak.

[2:27:29] with me so bear with me you might want to take a pause

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Thetis Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
May 3, 2022 
Thetis Island Community Centre (Forbes Hall) 
North Cove Road, Thetis Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair 
 Doug Fenton, Local Trustee 
 Peter Luckham, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Marlis McCargar, Island Planner 
 Margot Thomaidis, Planner 2 (part) 
 Sarah Shugar, Recorder 
  
Others Present: 3 Members of the Public 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change." 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 9:31 a.m. and welcomed everyone to the new Thetis 
Island Community Centre. Chair Patrick acknowledged that the meeting was being held in 
territory of the Coast Salish First Nations  
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
9.1 Community 2 Community (C2C) Boat Tour Follow up 
12.2 Community Meeting Expenditures 
 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. RISE AND REPORT - None 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
  Trustee Fenton presented the following report: 
 Expressed gratitude to live and work in Lyackson and Penelakut territory; 
 Attended an Islands 2050 Community Engagement meeting on Thetis Island; 
 Attended a Salish Sea Ecosystem Conference;  
 Attended boat tours with Trustees and the Lyackson First Nation and Penelakut 
Tribe that was funded by Community 2 Community (C2C) grant funds.  
 Attended a Southern Gulf Islands Forum regarding vessel anchorage issues; 

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 Attended a meeting regarding community recycling. 
  Trustee Luckham presented the following report: 
 Expressed gratitude to live and work in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations; 
 Trustee Luckham has been a resident of Thetis Island for 34 years; 
 Attended Trust Council held March 8 to 10, 2022;  
 Attended a Southern Gulf Island Forum; 
 Attended a meeting with the Vancouver Port Authority regarding port management 
and vessel anchorages; 
 Acknowledged community groups advocating regarding vessel anchorage issues;  
 Acknowledged Trustee Fenton and staff for organizing the boat tours for Trustees 
with the Lyackson First Nation and Penelakut Tribe that was funded by Community 
2 Community (C2C) grant funds; 
 Attended an Association of Vancouver Island and Coastal Communities (AVICC) 
Conference;  
 Attended a Local Government Management Association (LGMA) of BC Conference; 
 Attended a Salish Sea Conference regarding Preserve and Protection of the Salish 
Sea; 
 Attended a Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee meeting; 
 Attended several Islands 2050 Community Engagement events including a 
community meeting on Thetis Island. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
  Chair Patrick presented the following report: 
 Attended an Association of Vancouver Island and Coastal Communities (AVICC) 
Conference including a Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing workshop; 
 The 2022-23 budget was approved and the Governance and Management Review 
was received at Trust Council held March 8 to 10, 2022; 
 The next Trust Council will be held June 21-23, 2022 and will be held by electronic 
meeting; 
 Encouraged members of the public to sign up for notifications on the Islands Trust 
Website to receive updates regarding events; 
 Chair Patrick and Trustee Luckham have a meeting scheduled with the Minister of 
Transportation and Infrastructure, the Honourable Rob Fleming, regarding including 
transportation issues including the South Island Transportation Strategy; 
 Attended boat tours with Trustees and the Lyackson First Nation and Penelakut 
Tribe that was funded by Community 2 Community (C2C) grant funds.  
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report - None 
5. TOWN HALL 
 Chair Patrick opened the Town Hall at 10:01 a.m. and welcomed members of the public to 
submit comments and questions to northinfo@islandstrust.bc.ca. 
 A member of the public introduced himself as a resident of Ruxton Island. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated February 22, 2022 - for Adoption 

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The following amendment to the minutes was presented for consideration: 
Item 8.1 - Replace “Acknowledged the Lyackson First Nation for their interest in being 
consulted during the project definition phase” with “Acknowledged the Lyackson First 
Nation and Penelakut Tribe for their interests in being consulted during the project 
definition phase”. 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of February 22, 2022 
were adopted as amended. 
6.2 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated March 30, 2022 - for adoption 
6.3 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated May 25, 2022 
6.4 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none 
  TH-2022-014 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee forward the following items to the Thetis 
Island Advisory Planning Commission for information only:  
 The Shoreline Protection Report received from the Regional Planning Committee;  
 Application TH-DVP-2021.1 (McGuiness - Lot 59 Ruxton Island). 
CARRIED 
  It was noted the Islands Trust First Nations Reconciliation Declaration would be added 
to the Thetis Island Advisory Planning Commission member orientation package.  
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List dated April 25, 2022 
  Received. 
  In discussion, the following comments and questions were noted: 
 There was a question regarding the status of Item 1: “That the Thetis Island Local 
Trust Committee request staff to coordinate a meeting with BC Ferries, the Ministry 
of Transportation and Infrastructure, the Local Ferry Advisory Committee, the Thetis 
Island Residents' and Ratepayers' Association, and the Cowichan Valley Regional 
District to discuss outstanding issues regarding ferry access and parking, wharf 
entrance congestion and pedestrian and cycling safety on Thetis Island.” Regional 
Planning Manager Kauer advised staff would provide a status update at the next 
meeting. Chair Patrick reported BC Ferries is hosting a community meeting on Salt 
Spring Island; 
 Trustee Luckham will follow up regarding Item 2: “That the Thetis Island Local Trust 
Committee request Trustee Luckham and Chair Patrick to write a letter of advocacy 
to the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural 
Development regarding the clean up of an abandoned property on Valdes Island.” 
8. APPLICATIONS, REFERRALS AND BYLAWS 
8.1 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Referral Request for Response regarding 
Bylaw No. 526 - for decision 
 A bylaw referral form dated March 3, 2022 regarding Salt Spring Island Local Trust 

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Committee Bylaw No. 526 was presented.  
  TH-2022-015 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee advise the Salt Spring Island Local Trust 
Committee that its interests are unaffected by Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Bylaw No. 526, however, the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee encourages all 
considerations for new and renovated buildings to address climate change when 
possible.  
CARRIED 
8.2 TH-DVP-2021.1 (McGuinness - Lot 59 Ruxton Island) - Staff Report 
Planner Thomaidis presented a staff report dated April 15, 2022 regarding a 
Development Variance Permit application for the siting of existing buildings and 
structures including a dwelling, three decks, sleeping cabin, greenhouse, studio, two 
sheds and three water tanks within the required 5.0 metre lot line setback as well as the 
required 10.0 metre natural boundary to the sea setback. 
 
Applicant Mike McGuinness spoke to the application. 
 
In discussion the following questions and comments were noted: 
 There was a question regarding the structures that have been removed. The 
applicant advised a dock, a trolley system, a second story deck on a sleeping cabin, 
garden trellises, an outdoor shower attached to the main cabin and a woodshed 
have been removed; 
 There was a question regarding whether the structures on concrete blocks could be 
moved further away from the lot lines. The applicant reported the concrete blocks 
are fixed to rock and there are issues with moving the structures due to the age and 
condition of the buildings; 
 There was a question regarding reducing the size of the greenhouse that is attached 
to the cabin. The applicant reported it would be difficult to reduce the size of the 
greenhouse due to the design and structure; 
 There was a question regarding whether a professional ecosystem specialist has 
visited the site. The applicant reported an ecosystem specialist has identified the 
subject property as an important ecosystem on Thetis Island; 
 Acknowledged the applicant for acquiring the neighbouring property (Lot 58) with 
the intention to consolidate the properties and maintain the green space; 
 Encouraged the applicant to not encroach on the water side lot lines in the future; 
 There was a question regarding whether water storage tanks are exempt from the 
setbacks. Planner Thomaidis reported water storage tanks are not exempt from the 
setback requirements; 
 Spoke to the potential archaeological sites on Herring Bay and encouraged the 
applicant to consult the BC Archaeological branch for any excavation activities in 
the future. The applicant has consulted with BC Archaeological Branch and 
indicated no new activity within the potential archaeological areas. 
 There was a question regarding whether the LTC can be specific in the development 
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constructed within the setbacks. Staff confirmed that replacement of buildings 
would require a new permit.  
 
  TH-2022-016 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Variance 
Permit TH-DVP- 2021.1 (McGuinness - Lot 59 Ruxton Island). 
CARRIED 
8.3 Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 110 - for consideration of adoption 
  Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Draft Bylaw No. 110 was presented. 
 
  TH-2022-017 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Thetis Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 110, cited as "Thetis Island Local 
Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021", be adopted.     
CARRIED 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
 9.1 Community 2 Community (C2C) Boat Tour Follow up 
 Trustee Luckham spoke to the boat tours for Trustees with the Lyackson First Nation 
and Penelakut Tribe that was funded by Community 2 Community (C2C) grant funds. It is 
important to have a record of photos and documents that can be shared with First 
Nations. 
  TH-2022-018 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to provide guidance to create a 
records repository of photos and information respecting the shoreline protection work. 
CARRIED 
10. DELEGATIONS - none 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
11.1 Emails dated March 22, 2022 from E. Hrad and response from Abrupt Shellfish 
regarding Geoduck Farming  
 The Thetis Island Local Trust Committee has not received an application for the Abrupt 
Shellfish farming activity. There was discussion regarding the Department of Fisheries 
and Oceans (DFO) referral process. Regional Planning Manager Kauer will look into the 
status of the DFO approval of the Abrupt Shellfish geoduck farming application. It was 
noted that all correspondence regarding the Abrupt Shellfish farming activity would be 
forwarded to the LTC when an application is considered. 
  The correspondence was received. 

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11.2 Email dated March 3, 2022 - Greetings from Electoral Boundaries Commission 
  Received. 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Annual Report - Staff Report 
 Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented a staff report dated April 8, 2022 regarding 
the 2021-2022 Annual Report. 
  TH-2022-019 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee endorse the following text for inclusion in 
the 2021-2022 Annual Report for approval by the Islands Trust Council and submission 
to the Minister of Municipal Affairs & Housing, as amended: 
“The Thetis Island Local Trust Committee (THILTC) held five regular business meetings in 
the 2021/22 fiscal year, one special Meeting, and one special in-camera meeting for a 
total of seven meetings. 
From April 1, 2021 to March 31, 2022, the THILTC received and considered an 
application for one development variance permit. During the same time period staff also 
reviewed six building permit referrals, three crown lease referrals, and one subdivision 
referral for proposals within the Thetis Island Local Trust Area. 
This year, the THILTC gave three readings and forwarded the Riparian Area Protection 
Regulation Official Community Plan amendment bylaw to the Ministry of Municipal 
Affairs. This submission brings this 11-year amendment process to near completion. 
The THILTC also gave concurrence to a Telus communications tower after receiving 
notification of support from Penelakut Tribe. 
Relationship building with Penelakut Tribe continued when the THILTC initiated a 
Shoreline and Coastal Protection Strategy Project and successfully applied for a UBCM 
Community to Community Forum grant. The Trustees used the grant funds to organize 
two boat tours in the Local Trust Area that included members of both the Lyackson First 
Nation and Penelakut Tribe. The purpose of the exercise is to increase understanding 
the values and importance of the territory to the First Nations.” 
CARRIED 
 12.2 Community Meeting Expenditures 
 Trustees Luckham and Fenton hosted two community information meetings regarding 
Islands Trust Federation level issues including the Islands Trust Policy Statement, the 
Governance and Management Review and the 2021-22 budget. Approximately 20 
members of the public attended the community information meetings. 
 
By general consent, the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee agreed to schedule a Thetis 
Island community meeting following the June 2022 Trust Council. 
 
  TH-2022-020 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee approve payment of room rental fees for 
community engagement meetings for an amount up to $200 as a Local Trust Committee 
Communications Expense. 

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CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report - none 
13.2 Applications Report dated April 25, 2022 
Received. 
There was a question regarding the status of application TH-SUB-1998.1 and whether 
the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure has approved a preliminary layout. 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer will report back on the status of application TH-SUB-
1998.1. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated February, 2022 
  Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage - none 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated April 25, 2022 
 Received. 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer reported the Ministry of Municipal Housing and 
Affairs requested the Riparian Areas Regulation draft bylaw to be re-referred as the list 
of First Nation referrals has been expanded. The Riparian Areas Regulation draft bylaw 
was re-referred to First Nations in April 2022.  
14.2 Projects List Report dated April 25, 2022 
 Received. 
Staff will report on the projects list and top priorities for consideration at the next 
meeting. There was discussion regarding identifying the projects within goals such as 
First Nations relationship building, watershed protection and climate change action and 
to include local, regional and federation level work to help inform the work of the next 
LTC.  
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:30 am at Thetis Island 
Community Centre (Forbes Hall), North Cove Road, Thetis Island, BC 
The next Regular Meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:30 am at the Thetis 
Island Community Centre (Forbes Hall), North Cove Road, Thetis Island, BC. Please see 
the meeting calendar on the Islands Trust website at www.islandstrust.bc.ca for current 
meeting information and location. 

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16. CLOSED MEETING 
16.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
  TH-2022-021 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90 (1)(a) and (f) for the purpose of considering adoption of In-
Camera Meeting Minutes dated July 21, 2021 and March 30, 2022 and appointment of 
Advisory Planning Commission Members and that the recorder and staff attend the 
meeting. 
CARRIED 
16.2 Recall to Order 
  The meeting was recalled to order at 12:10 p.m. 
 16.3 Rise and Report 
 The Thetis Island Local Trust Committee appointed Mary Forbes, Pat Mooney, Anne-
Marie Koeppen, Lynda Poirier, Bill Dickie and Guy Champagne to the Thetis Island 
Advisory Planning Commission. 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 12:10 p.m. 
 
_________________________ 
Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
 
Certified Correct: 
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Sarah Shugar, Recorder