Thetis Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 5, 2022

[0:00:33] Voice 7: Well, I will leave

[0:00:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): you all to it then.

[0:00:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think we're good.

[0:00:46] Voice 3: Thank you

[0:00:47] Voice 3: so much, Will.

[0:00:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): No problem.

[0:00:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustees, are we ready?

[0:00:58] Voice 4: i'm ready okay

[0:00:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): um well good morning i was gonna say good afternoon but it feels like i've been

[0:01:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): traveling all day today since 5 30 this morning but uh good morning um open this regular meeting

[0:01:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the thetis island local trust committee i always begin with acknowledging how fortunate

[0:01:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh i am to be able to we are to be able to gather in the traditional coast sales territories

[0:01:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): um i'm lauren patrick i'm elected on salt spring island and the chair of this uh local trust

[0:01:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): committee i am joined today by trustee doug fenton and trustee peter lockham together we make up for

[0:01:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): fetus island local trust committee i also would like to acknowledge that director smith the

[0:01:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): electoral area director smith is with us on the zoom link thank you for joining us this morning

[0:02:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): this meeting is being live streamed and recorded and the recording will be available on the website

[0:02:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): in a few days um we have the staff that are joining us this morning this morning i can

[0:02:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): speak english we have our original planning manager heather cower thank you for joining us

[0:02:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i we've got uh marlis mcgregor and then who do we have online

[0:02:33] Voice 8: diane corbett and

[0:02:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): i've done for staff and

[0:02:36] Voice 8: marla that

[0:02:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): was you that came in that way and that's

[0:02:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): right that was marvelous that was online she's here too yeah so we have diane corbett who is

[0:02:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): our minute taker this morning thank you all for joining us this meeting is an official forum for

[0:02:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): your local trust committee to make decisions about values planning matters and discuss relevant

[0:02:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): in business i also want to acknowledge that despite the fact that some of our staff may

[0:02:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): be coming from their own homes they have a right to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:03:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): we have an agenda before us trustees are there any additions or changes that need to be made to

[0:03:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): the agenda go ahead i would

[0:03:14] Voice 8: like to add a new business item abandoned crown lot on valdez island

[0:03:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any other changes to the agenda?

[0:03:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): No.

[0:03:28] Voice 4: So

[0:03:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): can we approve the agenda as amended through agenda 5?

[0:03:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): Aye.

[0:03:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): Excellent.

[0:03:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): We've had a rise in report, but I don't think we've had anything rise in report.

[0:03:41] I don't recall.

[0:03:43] So we

[0:03:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): have to go right into the trustee reports.

[0:03:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): Who'd like to go first?

[0:03:48] Voice 8: I'm going to let Doug go because I'm quite ready.

[0:03:54] Voice 7: Thank you. I'm very grateful to be living in the world, in the traditional territories of Penelope and the Lyons.

[0:04:10] Voice 7: It's been a lot of months with respect to work and meetings and sort of back and forth between different worlds,

[0:04:20] Voice 7: between the professional and the Atlas Trust.

[0:04:23] Voice 7: So if I get confused as to who was doing what

[0:04:27] Voice 7: and what side of which half was being worn,

[0:04:30] Voice 7: my apologies up front.

[0:04:32] Voice 7: But I was part of the Trust Programs Committee,

[0:04:39] Voice 7: a working committee that is actually working

[0:04:41] Voice 7: on the policy statement.

[0:04:42] Voice 7: We met and we're going to meet in Malaysia this week,

[0:04:46] Voice 7: actually, for further workshops on that document

[0:04:50] Voice 7: document and review process. So Islands Trust Conservancy, I said, as a board member, we

[0:04:58] Voice 7: have a meeting and we have another meeting coming up next week. And it's with our executive

[0:05:07] Voice 7: with Trust Council, which will be an interesting conversation and opportunity to strategize

[0:05:12] Voice 7: going for uh the upcoming year our local consistency is think that the theodosia nature

[0:05:21] Voice 7: conservancy is having their 10-year anniversary um and i've been working with elder augie sylvester

[0:05:29] Voice 7: to get him over and helping them with their opening and welcoming to that event in the evening

[0:05:37] Voice 7: The two will be joining for dinner, and

[0:05:39] Voice 7: we have a local board member who's going to shuffle

[0:05:43] Voice 7: him back and forth by boat to make his evening as streamlined as possible.

[0:05:51] Voice 7: He's got a great secretary, being his daughter and his granddaughter, and he's probably more

[0:05:56] Voice 7: efficient than most people I've dealt with in the last few months as far as managing

[0:06:02] Voice 7: meetings and places.

[0:06:03] Voice 7: It's such a great to work with them.

[0:06:06] Voice 7: they look after their grandpa

[0:06:08] Voice 7: upcoming meetings we've got

[0:06:11] Voice 7: a fundraiser for phase two

[0:06:13] Voice 7: with

[0:06:13] Voice 7: again the

[0:06:16] Voice 7: Nature Conservancy, their nature students program

[0:06:19] Voice 7: they want to take it

[0:06:20] Voice 7: and look at getting funding to actually bring it

[0:06:23] Voice 7: into implementation

[0:06:24] Voice 7: which will be fun

[0:06:26] Voice 7: quite an opportunity

[0:06:29] Voice 7: ACT which is the Anchorage

[0:06:32] Voice 7: Concerns Thetis

[0:06:33] Voice 7: is the local

[0:06:35] Voice 7: whole anchorage forum for freighter anchorage issues.

[0:06:39] Voice 7: And we've had a lot of back and forth.

[0:06:42] Voice 7: There was a lot of pressure from freighter anchorages,

[0:06:47] Voice 7: and we're trying to find a way to get Transport Canada

[0:06:50] Voice 7: and other relevant ministries at the table

[0:06:53] Voice 7: to actually have a conversation,

[0:06:55] Voice 7: working in concert with the South Island Gulf Islands Forum.

[0:06:59] Voice 7: I meet on Wednesday with MLA Wilson

[0:07:02] Voice 7: and the alliance members to further that conversation.

[0:07:06] Voice 7: We're looking at strategies going forward.

[0:07:09] Voice 7: I'm also working on trying to get the First Nations

[0:07:12] Voice 7: to see how we can find some synergistic opportunities there.

[0:07:20] Voice 7: Locally, I'm doing the Theatre Society Readers and Residents Association,

[0:07:25] Voice 7: and we're looking at exploring, they've approached me to explore

[0:07:29] Voice 7: explore what the province might have to offer with respect to active transportation network planning

[0:07:34] Voice 4: and

[0:07:35] Voice 7: grant opportunities and now with our change in the Island Trust Act allowing us to actually

[0:07:42] Voice 7: pursue those opportunities reached out to our grant managers can come back with our next steps

[0:07:50] Voice 7: quite good and uh thank you very much you're

[0:07:56] Voice 8: welcome very good thank you um well indeed

[0:08:00] Voice 8: it's busy times and i too am grateful to be here on yaksan and penelakut territory and the

[0:08:05] Voice 8: coast here we'll see it's an amazing place to live and learn there's lots of opportunities to learn

[0:08:10] Voice 8: about the history of this place and encourage everyone to take off those opportunities as

[0:08:16] Voice 8: they arise um most of my work involves either this last couple months involves either um

[0:08:25] Voice 8: vice chair activity or executive activity i'm going to leave the executive activity to laura

[0:08:31] Voice 8: i usually jump into that but i will just mention for uh our community's uh benefit that um we did

[0:08:38] Voice 8: have a couple of ministers meetings um over the last month or so one with rob fleming minister of

[0:08:44] Voice 8: transport to talk about important issues for the island's trust area um we also met with

[0:08:49] Voice 8: nathan cullen that's a first meeting that i've had with minister cullen he's like the minister of

[0:08:54] Voice 8: art that is responsible for the islands trust and we talked about a number of issues there regarding

[0:09:03] Voice 8: the policy statement amendments and preserve and protect mandate and funding we even talked about

[0:09:08] Voice 8: for the honest trust conservancy so i've chaired a couple of salt spring island local trust

[0:09:13] Voice 8: committee meetings uh on salt spring and uh of course that's a very busy place compared to

[0:09:18] Voice 8: to thetis um i've also been chairing recently the south pender local trust committee

[0:09:24] Voice 8: and um they are advancing some interesting and uh controversial bylaws on that island

[0:09:30] Voice 8: um and so i've had a couple community information meetings um we were going to go to public hearing

[0:09:36] Voice 8: last week. However, just for local information, there was a COVID outbreak on the island a

[0:09:45] Voice 8: week ago that was identified as having occurred on the weekend due to additional summer traffic

[0:09:53] Voice 8: and the market and stuff like that. So there was 100 cases right off the cuff that week.

[0:09:58] Voice 8: and so they went into kind of a little unregulated uh lockdown we recommended uh um that there should

[0:10:07] Voice 8: be no more gatherings of no more than 50 people and i was planning on a gallery which would have

[0:10:12] Voice 8: been 75 100 people so we postponed that and that will be coming up um in the very near future the

[0:10:18] Voice 8: 23rd i think um i've also attended a southern gulf islands uh forum meeting hosted by adam holston

[0:10:26] Voice 8: which primarily embraces most of the southern gulf islands and we kind of as the chair of the

[0:10:32] Voice 8: salt spring island i attend but i also sometimes think that this is in that transition zone between

[0:10:37] Voice 8: south southern and northern so it's worthwhile being a participant there and um there's a lot

[0:10:44] Voice 8: of work going on there around uh transportation housing um and the anchorages is a is a topic

[0:10:51] Voice 8: which is this, I'm guessing there's gonna be

[0:10:55] Voice 8: a conversation tomorrow, Zoom, with respect to anchorages.

[0:11:00] Voice 8: And with respect to anchorages and vessel traffic,

[0:11:02] Voice 8: she also mentioned that Trust Council was last month

[0:11:07] Voice 8: and the Vancouver Port Authority attended Council

[0:11:11] Voice 8: to give us an update on what they're doing

[0:11:14] Voice 8: with their strategy to improve.

[0:11:21] Voice 8: I have a different point of view on what's going on but they're trying to improve the timeliness

[0:11:26] Voice 8: and effectiveness and efficiency of the port but there seems to be a disconnect to protecting the

[0:11:33] Voice 8: environment and the impacts that those vessels have on our marine waves here and so that's work

[0:11:39] Voice 8: that's ongoing for those that are interested in Anchorage as well I'll also just note completely

[0:11:45] Voice 8: completely aside, because it is impactful here,

[0:11:48] Voice 8: especially seeing as we're seeing more container vessels

[0:11:50] Voice 8: here now, even on the Stewart Channel side,

[0:11:53] Voice 8: you've probably noticed that,

[0:11:54] Voice 8: than we've ever seen in history.

[0:11:56] Voice 8: And it was always suggested, even by the port,

[0:12:01] Voice 8: that it was not safe to anchor container vessels

[0:12:04] Voice 8: in these waters because of the significant amount

[0:12:07] Voice 8: of windage that they have and the ability

[0:12:10] Voice 8: for them to pull anchor and drift is significant.

[0:12:13] Voice 8: But anyway, nonetheless, we're seeing those.

[0:12:14] Voice 8: But the item I want to mention is apparently there's a new proposal that may be from a competitor from the Port Authority or the container people at Tawasin there, in that they're suggesting rather than building that island off of Tawasin to expand the container facility,

[0:12:34] Voice 8: So they're actually going to expand the width of the spit that they have further inshore.

[0:12:42] Voice 8: And I'm guessing they feel there's enough water there to actually reduce the overall footprint and reduce the environmental impacts of building an island that is going to then force fish and habitat to be disturbed and migrating in order.

[0:12:57] Voice 8: So keep an eye

[0:12:58] Voice 8: out for that.

[0:12:59] Voice 8: There's an alternate proposal for that expansion of the terminal.

[0:13:03] Voice 8: that's it for my report

[0:13:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): for my report the trust council did meet recently just a couple of weeks ago

[0:13:15] time has lost

[0:13:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): all meaning to this pandemic you may remember there were a couple of i think

[0:13:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): important decisions that were reflected in trust council one was the decision to create a standing

[0:13:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): standing governance committee and they populated the committee with the seven elected people I was

[0:13:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): one of them and we'll be meeting a couple times in the near future to set up hopefully set up

[0:13:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): that committee for success and get it in a good standing for especially addressing some of the

[0:13:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): immediate issues that need to be um considered that will help put the next trust council

[0:14:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): on good starting legs to to take on this period of what i would refer to as change and i think

[0:14:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): good change and that's the second item was that the trust council also uh voted to request the

[0:14:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): province to do a review of that stress structure governance and again i see this as a good

[0:14:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): opportunity i think right now and we all know there's more need of attention for planning and

[0:14:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): consideration of what's coming out of sphere with climate change and growth and all of these things

[0:14:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): that are happening in our communities at the same time but we're really recognizing

[0:14:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): not recognizing but embracing uh what it means for reconciliation and drip and drip up

[0:14:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i see these all as opportunities we either continue to to argue or disagree with what the

[0:15:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): islands trust is and that doesn't help us we need to come together and find agreement and work

[0:15:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): work effectively on addressing all these issues

[0:15:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): that are coming at us so that we can be

[0:15:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): the most effective organization that we can be.

[0:15:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I see these things as good.

[0:15:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): The review, while Islands Trust Council

[0:15:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): has made that request, it's not a slam dunk.

[0:15:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): The ministry could disagree.

[0:15:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think anyone here on Thetis,

[0:15:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think the ministry needs to hear

[0:15:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): for people uh constituents as well of why um and uh that there is a need to to modernize and be

[0:15:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): prepared to take on what's coming at us in this uh this time period so um without the other thing is

[0:15:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): the bc ferry uh board uh met on salt spring back a few weeks ago i was invited to join i thought it

[0:16:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): was a they had not been out about in the islands through the pandemic they apologized profusely

[0:16:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): and have committed to uh having board meetings throughout the islands and i

[0:16:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): thought it was a

[0:16:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): really nice event they did one evening they invited a large number of islanders to come in

[0:16:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): and meet one-on-one with the board the executive and and talk about uh challenges on the islands

[0:16:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): and so forth and the one thing i found was we had really good agreement on the importance of working

[0:16:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): the islands trust with fairies on community planning that you know the fairies do affect our

[0:16:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): communities of the connectivity how how they work and um and i and i was really pleasantly pleased

[0:16:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): because the last time we had some conversations with the executive team they were sort of like

[0:16:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): they weren't mandated to do community planning and they saw themselves as sort of separate from that

[0:17:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it was kind of good to see that they're moving and seeing themselves as a true partner in

[0:17:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): planning that needs to be done on our islands and the impact that they play and I

[0:17:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): think that's

[0:17:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh my report thank you so i think we have director uh lynn smith online so over to you director smith

[0:17:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank

[0:17:29] Voice 1: you for inviting me today i appreciate the invitation i also am situated on the coastal

[0:17:36] Voice 1: salish territories and i appreciate that we're all here together today my report i did send in and i

[0:17:45] Voice 1: I assume that everybody's had time to read it.

[0:17:49] Voice 1: It was quite brief.

[0:17:50] Voice 1: Basically, the CVRD has three sort of items for Thetis Island,

[0:17:55] Voice 1: and it's regional recreation, the wharf, and connectivity for Thetis Island.

[0:18:02] Voice 1: And I have sent in my report, and if you have any questions,

[0:18:08] Voice 1: please feel free to ask me at this time or contact me at any time.

[0:18:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any questions for Director Smith?

[0:18:17] Voice 8: um no well

[0:18:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you very much and uh we can just request that her report be added to the

[0:18:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): minutes so thank you for being here today and uh next is thank you um your opportunity to speak

[0:18:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): we have one member in the in the audience uh with us today and uh you're you're welcome to address

[0:18:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): us. I know you will be respectful and if there's any questions or comments you have at this time,

[0:18:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): you're welcome.

[0:18:49] Voice 9: Yeah, so my name is Jan and I have a question just about the challenges that

[0:18:56] Voice 9: you mentioned. You mentioned that there's going to be a different council or there's going to be a

[0:19:02] Voice 9: new council voted that will have to deal with some challenges. So to me, what's the difference between

[0:19:10] Voice 9: be the challenges this council is having right now and what is uh on our future major challenges

[0:19:19] Voice 9: that you mentioned and um are they going to be the same people roughly taking part in that decision

[0:19:28] Voice 9: process or applying for being the members of the next council is it going to be the same number

[0:19:33] Voice 9: of people on the council, or is it going to be quite different?

[0:19:38] Voice 9: So it's a question that has two branches about people

[0:19:43] Voice 9: who are going to face some challenges and about the challenges

[0:19:48] Voice 9: that you mentioned.

[0:19:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, one thing, change never happens quickly.

[0:19:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): We are the structure we are today going into this election.

[0:19:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): So there will be 26 new trustees, some will be returning, they're having returning campaigns and there could be new trustees.

[0:20:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): So the structure remains the same for now.

[0:20:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think it's a recognition that we are approaching our 50th anniversary, and it is a good time to reflect on what we faced in the 1970s versus what we face now, and are we as strong an organization as we can be to take on what we're facing.

[0:20:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): so um i would hope that the new you know the new trustees coming in i think it's

[0:20:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's how good a job we leave them to be able to take on these conversations and be um you know

[0:20:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): have the tools they need to uh to face these decisions that they're going to face so um

[0:20:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): i that's how i see the governance committee in the near term is to make sure that

[0:21:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we have that structure for them.

[0:21:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I'm sure a number of people will be campaigning

[0:21:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): on what they vision for this next phase.

[0:21:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think it's an important time period

[0:21:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): to listen to what people are saying.

[0:21:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): And, you know, it's tempering that.

[0:21:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's like we can always dream

[0:21:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): of what the organization can be,

[0:21:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): but it's also having to be able to work together.

[0:21:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think that's the important part.

[0:21:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): But I was very, I can be quite honest,

[0:21:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): I was becoming a bit apprehensive with Trust Council.

[0:21:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): We were bickering more than we were working together.

[0:21:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): And this last Trust Council,

[0:21:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): I felt we listened to each other.

[0:21:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): The debate on the review was probably

[0:21:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): one of the most respectful debates I've experienced

[0:21:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): in recent times at Trust Council.

[0:21:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): People listened to each other.

[0:21:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): People talked about what they thought about,

[0:22:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it was a fairly moving,

[0:22:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): moving and if you have a chance to listen to that from that that recording is up online now and I

[0:22:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): think it it does you do hear what people's thoughts concerns and hopes were for the future

[0:22:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): and um and I said it left me with hope I don't know trustees do you have anything you'd like to

[0:22:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): add or um

[0:22:22] Voice 8: well I went just to help Jan understand a bit more about the island's trust um you know

[0:22:30] Voice 8: So one of the things before I say what I'm going to say, because language is an interesting thing and it is important, and we're changing our understanding of the use of our language in context of the original peoples of this place, and that we often refer to ours or, like we use that phrase, this as our land and that sort of thing.

[0:22:54] Voice 8: And we also refer to the Crown as the authority, which is something we need to consider how we move forward into the future.

[0:23:02] Voice 8: But that's a very big idealistic point of view, which is a place that I hope that we go to.

[0:23:08] Voice 8: But so the reason I just say that is because we are an agency of the Crown.

[0:23:12] Voice 8: and the crown determines our structure and our mandate and in in many cases approves our policies

[0:23:20] Voice 8: or our policy statement and actually approves official community plan updates so we're very

[0:23:28] Voice 8: much uh under their umbrella and um they that said they for the most part leave us alone um but for

[0:23:37] Voice 8: for us to facilitate change that may seem obvious to us

[0:23:40] Voice 8: or to our community members,

[0:23:42] Voice 8: such as a co-governance model with First Nations,

[0:23:45] Voice 8: such as changing the number of trust areas

[0:23:49] Voice 8: and the number of elected and the budget portions of it,

[0:23:54] Voice 8: we have to lobby the government to achieve those ends.

[0:23:58] Voice 8: And the government is very slow to respond in that

[0:24:01] Voice 8: because our minister, Nathan Cullen,

[0:24:03] Voice 8: presently he's actually the third minister we've had this term i think it is because when they

[0:24:12] Voice 8: shuffle their cabinet our minister changes and then we have to get to know each other and achieve

[0:24:18] Voice 8: them at the level of understanding that was the object of the last meeting we had and it was very

[0:24:23] Voice 8: positive um he's a good guy they've all been good ministers we've had amazing ministers in the last

[0:24:28] Voice 8: number of years but i would say that in the last this term particularly in the last four years and

[0:24:35] Voice 8: even it kind of started in the previous term we've done a lot of self-reflection and the communities

[0:24:40] Voice 8: are also doing self-reflection because the world has changed with climate change economic

[0:24:45] Voice 8: circumstances pandemics political left and right there's lots of big changes and they affect how

[0:24:53] Voice 8: our communities work and how we work in our communities and so there's a lot of interest

[0:24:57] Voice 8: and desire in making some structural changes

[0:25:01] Voice 8: within the Islands Trust,

[0:25:02] Voice 8: but it's too early to say what they are.

[0:25:06] Voice 8: But as you probably are aware,

[0:25:08] Voice 8: we've done a significant amount of community engagement

[0:25:10] Voice 8: over the last three years,

[0:25:13] Voice 8: three years through the policy statement

[0:25:15] Voice 8: to try and find out what communities think

[0:25:18] Voice 8: and where our strengths are and where our weaknesses are.

[0:25:21] Voice 8: And the desire is to try and improve that

[0:25:24] Voice 8: so that we can deliver on the preserve and protect mandate.

[0:25:27] Voice 8: it i think everybody commonly agrees that keeping this place the way it is and special as it is is

[0:25:33] Voice 8: important and um we will continue to strive for that so yeah and elections are in october and

[0:25:40] Voice 8: typically actually i would say in any given election 50 of the trustees change because

[0:25:45] Voice 8: some people don't want to do it again other people are interested in doing it and um and uh that goes

[0:25:51] Voice 8: on so you know if you have an interest you can certainly put your name in and campaign and uh

[0:25:56] Voice 8: uh get some votes and maybe you'll be a trustee

[0:26:00] Voice 8: i know

[0:26:01] Voice 1: i can just

[0:26:02] Voice 8: say i plan on running again i think there's still work that i can do and it's

[0:26:07] Voice 8: been a real honor and privilege to work with you so

[0:26:10] Voice 9: i wonder what would be uh so what are the three

[0:26:13] Voice 9: major challenges that uh the new council let me foresee uh that the new council will be will have

[0:26:21] Voice 9: have to solve or deal with compared to current challenges?

[0:26:25] Voice 9: Will they change?

[0:26:26] Voice 9: Will they gain in magnitude?

[0:26:28] Voice 9: What would be the major thrusts of the challenges

[0:26:33] Voice 8: or of the work?

[0:26:35] Voice 8: I think it's continuing challenges, which

[0:26:37] Voice 8: would be financial.

[0:26:39] Voice 8: How are we funding the Alliance Trust?

[0:26:40] Voice 8: How can we get the province to provide us more funding?

[0:26:43] Voice 8: I think the policy statement review,

[0:26:45] Voice 8: which is our fundamental guiding principles document,

[0:26:47] Voice 8: Can we come to agreement on the variety of things that should be addressed?

[0:26:52] Voice 8: And how are we going to embrace supporting the necessity for affordable housing?

[0:26:58] Voice 8: These are ongoing challenges.

[0:27:00] Voice 8: Climate change is an ongoing challenge.

[0:27:02] Voice 8: What did

[0:27:02] Voice 9: you mention about housing, Peter?

[0:27:04] Voice 9: What did you say about housing?

[0:27:05] Voice 8: Affordable housing.

[0:27:06] Voice 8: Yeah, because of the challenge.

[0:27:08] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:27:09] Voice 8: And so it's equitable housing more than anything else.

[0:27:13] Voice 8: In fact, Laura has a very good perspective on housing.

[0:27:17] Voice 8: and it's not just about affordable housing it's about all housing because all housing impacts the

[0:27:21] Voice 8: environment and all types of housing require all types of people to help support it in the

[0:27:28] Voice 8: community and of course all housing has an impact on the environment so if

[0:27:32] Voice 9: i for example had an idea

[0:27:33] Voice 9: as an islander yeah uh regarding affordable housing yeah uh would there be let's say 12

[0:27:44] Voice 9: of 15 acres completed for families with tiny houses,

[0:27:50] Voice 9: for example, because it's a huge movement out there.

[0:27:53] Voice 9: So I wonder, you know, affordable housing,

[0:27:56] Voice 9: so farmers offer a piece of land,

[0:28:00] Voice 9: or let's say they divide it,

[0:28:03] Voice 9: and they live there in their tiny houses.

[0:28:05] Voice 9: So I wonder if something like this is a vision

[0:28:10] Voice 9: that feed this uh would consider immediately not in five years

[0:28:18] Voice 9: let's say if the public or we i don't know how many others would there have to be for

[0:28:26] the council to consider such a major project as getting

[0:28:31] Voice 9: to feed this 10 families let's say five

[0:28:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think every island needs to look at how people want to live moving forward.

[0:28:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): We know how we've lived in the past was pretty unsustainable.

[0:28:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): And all of our OCPs, our land use bylaws, everything we have is directed to the single-faceted house of personal land.

[0:29:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): So, one, you've got election coming up.

[0:29:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): the community should be speaking about what its priorities are does that reflect what the

[0:29:10] Voice 1: priorities are

[0:29:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): for heading into the the term um and then uh in a new term i would hope that there

[0:29:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): would be we're talking extensively about strategic planning how do we link communities desires into

[0:29:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): the overall strategic plan of the of the island housing is big and it's it's it's growing and the

[0:29:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): islands that are are currently not experiencing i said just wait it's coming uh you can look at

[0:29:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): the islands that have immense pressure and it's coming it's coming um so as a citizen it's raised

[0:29:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): these to your to your local trustees as ideas and thoughts raise it with the societies and

[0:29:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): organizations on the island that have potentially the capacity to start taking these on and i can

[0:29:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): I can tell you from...

[0:30:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): My role in the Islands Trust, what we're trying to do is build, recognize that to create that vision, to make it become real, is a lot of work and needs a lot of support.

[0:30:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): And how we help support each other throughout the Islands.

[0:30:18] Voice 9: It would be an initiative. It would not be part of the government to do or the council to do.

[0:30:27] Voice 9: You know what I want to differentiate between, you know, there's officially elected people who are in charge of something, and there's many people who like to do something who have the initiative, but obviously the power, both bodies have the power, but I'm interested in the power of the council, what the council can do.

[0:30:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): well it's it's these are things you know the council could proactively zone land to

[0:30:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): allow these things to happen um so on the basis of our request or somebody's request it could go

[0:31:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): either way or together and it should be together always together partnerships um but a local trust

[0:31:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): committee can be proactive um or it can work in partnership uh in tandem with organizations to

[0:31:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): to make it happen.

[0:31:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): And those are decisions.

[0:31:20] Voice 9: I think there's really, I would say,

[0:31:22] Voice 9: at least 10 people, 10 to 15 people

[0:31:24] who talk about this idea,

[0:31:26] because they realize you need families, right?

[0:31:31] So anyway, so I think it is a current issue that is alive,

[0:31:37] and that I think that enough Highlanders would support.

[0:31:41] But then, you know, when it lands on your table,

[0:31:44] or what's going on so um

[0:31:48] Voice 8: maybe i'll just speak to it from a historical perspective and what current

[0:31:53] Voice 8: activities have been going on and what my impression of current interest is certainly

[0:31:57] Voice 8: affordable housing as a strategy is on our projects list as something we should be doing

[0:32:03] Voice 8: and it says specifically housing for young families workers and seniors and that requires

[0:32:09] Voice 8: community engagement and that's the key of its community engagement i'd say there's probably

[0:32:14] Voice 8: probably half a dozen people on the island, like you,

[0:32:16] Voice 8: that are very interested in this.

[0:32:18] Voice 8: And the spectrum is anywhere from tiny houses and families

[0:32:23] Voice 8: to seniors aging in place in a facility or a home,

[0:32:29] Voice 8: small home, that is much more manageable

[0:32:32] Voice 8: and maintainable than the present homes.

[0:32:35] Voice 8: And there's a

[0:32:36] Voice 8: potential demographic shift there

[0:32:38] Voice 8: where you can take people out,

[0:32:40] Voice 8: older people out of big homes

[0:32:41] Voice 8: that are no longer suitable for them

[0:32:43] Voice 8: into a more caring place with a community

[0:32:46] Voice 8: and then open up those homes

[0:32:48] Voice 8: for other bigger families to come into.

[0:32:51] Voice 8: So there's a shift that can happen there.

[0:32:53] Voice 8: But it's very much a community-led activity,

[0:32:57] Voice 8: although we ultimately can rezone the land.

[0:33:01] Voice 8: So community could come to us and say,

[0:33:03] Voice 8: we've secured this piece of property.

[0:33:05] Voice 8: We have, and this is the key,

[0:33:07] Voice 8: we have somebody that's going to donate

[0:33:08] Voice 8: or sell us the property.

[0:33:10] Voice 8: And we

[0:33:11] Voice 9: want to rezone it.

[0:33:12] Voice 9: so you as a government you cannot say we've got here a suggestion or a proposal from the community

[0:33:19] Voice 9: and you cannot single out a piece of land based on this suggestion is it somebody who has to give

[0:33:26] Voice 9: the land you cannot say that's correct as this council government decided that we officially

[0:33:35] Voice 9: will put five acres from the Crown property,

[0:33:41] Voice 9: or I don't think there is

[0:33:42] Voice 8: any Crown property.

[0:33:42] Voice 8: Well, so that's the

[0:33:43] Voice 8: key, that's the key.

[0:33:44] Voice 8: There is no Crown or public land on Venus.

[0:33:48] Voice 4: Okay, so that's the key.

[0:33:48] Voice 4: And so the land

[0:33:49] Voice 8: would have to be acquired

[0:33:50] Voice 8: from a private individual.

[0:33:51] Voice 8: And you could well imagine that if we as the government

[0:33:54] Voice 8: came and said, Jan, we're gonna rezone your property

[0:33:57] Voice 8: for some other use, you wouldn't be very happy about that.

[0:34:00] Voice 8: So ideally it's a willing volunteer

[0:34:02] Voice 8: volunteer in our situation that comes to the table that could happen through encouragement

[0:34:07] Voice 8: of others and i think that i i believe that potential does exist on fetus but it's a matter

[0:34:13] Voice 8: of us coming together with a vision and a plan and there have been some quite serious initiatives

[0:34:18] Voice 8: over the last few years uh marjan and julian jackman for instance did a whole public survey

[0:34:24] Voice 8: and had some meetings and got everybody but they ended up not getting to a place where they thought

[0:34:30] they could move forward and certainly having a piece of land is one thing and i'm i can't say

[0:34:36] first i can't speak on behalf of the landlord but when we when we did a section 99 uh covenant

[0:34:43] Voice 8: subdivision on the land which is now the ferry slipper uh trail park area which is just opposite

[0:34:52] Voice 8: you is actually i think it's a 10 acre piece that is part of that that was the idea was is that that

[0:34:58] Voice 8: that might potentially be a piece of land

[0:35:01] Voice 8: that might end up being used for some community service,

[0:35:04] Voice 8: but it is still up to the property owner to determine that.

[0:35:07] Voice 8: And their needs or desires may be different

[0:35:10] Voice 8: than what they were five years ago or 10 years ago,

[0:35:13] Voice 8: whenever we did that subdivision.

[0:35:15] Voice 8: But there's lots of other larger pieces of land

[0:35:18] Voice 8: on the island, including land adjacent to the school here,

[0:35:22] Voice 8: which is privately owned,

[0:35:24] Voice 8: which through the right circumstances,

[0:35:26] Voice 8: and there is funding available through bc housing and others that you have to make applications for

[0:35:32] Voice 8: grants for and stuff but securing the land is the first thing and to be quite honest i can't speak

[0:35:37] Voice 8: with my colleagues here but we would be happy i would be happy to rezone any piece of land that

[0:35:43] Voice 8: somebody brought to us for that and how would the council look at it which

[0:35:46] Voice 9: i would say if 10

[0:35:48] 10 private owners would offer their land

[0:35:52] for 10 private small houses over here.

[0:35:56] So it would not be a

[0:35:57] Voice 9: problem from the point of view

[0:35:59] Voice 9: of the council, 10 new buildings

[0:36:02] Voice 9: on somebody else's property.

[0:36:04] Voice 9: That would be okay.

[0:36:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, it starts with a conversation.

[0:36:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): It starts with analysis of what's allowed

[0:36:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): and there's different ways of coming about it.

[0:36:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): so it could start with a community information meeting of you know just uh batting around ideas

[0:36:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): looking at what what are the thoughts and what fits and what works on that so uh there's all

[0:36:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): kinds of solutions i think what the key thing i'm working at is this isn't new there's other

[0:36:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): islands that are well advanced and it's sharing that information sharing the stories what's

[0:36:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): working on denman what's working on north pender what's working on salt spring and gabriola and

[0:36:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): and learning from these other activities.

[0:36:49] Voice 9: Has it happened anywhere?

[0:36:51] Voice 9: Has it happened anywhere on any island

[0:36:54] Voice 9: that the community would get together?

[0:36:56] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:36:56] Voice 9: Say, in 2015, we will have 10 tiny houses here.

[0:37:01] Voice 9: And it's 2022, do they have that?

[0:37:03] Voice 9: Was it like this major thing, or was it just trickling into?

[0:37:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, it's different.

[0:37:12] Voice 5: Actually,

[0:37:12] Voice 4: you could speak to that.

[0:37:13] Voice 4: know so

[0:37:14] Voice 5: no that that particular thing hasn't happened and part of the issue is that these

[0:37:20] Voice 5: guys aren't the only ones that have power over this it's also the council valley regional district

[0:37:25] Voice 5: that's building on it so tiny homes in particular don't meet the building code for the most part

[0:37:31] Voice 5: um that is the biggest barrier to tiny home developments um there are affordable housing

[0:37:36] Voice 5: developments that have gone on through the islands um there's there's one about to be

[0:37:41] Voice 5: built on Hornby for instance but they're they're even condos or multi-unit buildings as opposed to

[0:37:48] Voice 5: tiny homes I

[0:37:50] Voice 9: prefer tiny homes because you have both initiative all those people yeah who want

[0:37:55] Voice 9: you know and then they get the land and they can't afford it but they have to put in their own effort

[0:38:01] Voice 9: you know unlike when you get you know government housing you didn't do anything and you are there

[0:38:06] Voice 9: Tiny

[0:38:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): homes are very important, and we are working through Emily Olson with Minister Evie to try to encourage the province to take a more vigorous role to find a path to make tiny homes legal for full-time residential use.

[0:38:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): because i think they are they have a great deal fit in the island's trust uh for you know working

[0:38:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): with our preserve protect mandate built somewhere else wheeled in less destruction on the site

[0:38:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): all kinds of good things that are good from a lateral perspective they're an asset rather than

[0:38:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): a you know an rv deteriorates a tiny home people put their heart and soul in it and uh it's a it's

[0:38:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): an asset so there's there's so many good things about tiny homes and i know there's a lot of

[0:39:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): people working on trying to push the province the ndp says housing is important this is there's

[0:39:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): never a government that could work on it it's this one and we're not going to let them get

[0:39:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): away with it we'd like them to move to making tiny homes but

[0:39:13] Voice 9: could you make it somehow official

[0:39:15] Voice 9: could you cultivate it somehow official we have three major things that we want to accomplish

[0:39:23] Voice 9: This is our number one project for the coming year for the new council and we will put every

[0:39:30] Voice 9: effort into it.

[0:39:31] Voice 9: It's going to be number one, you know, by the government, because it is necessary, but

[0:39:37] Voice 9: can it be as a policy number one or not?

[0:39:41] Voice 9: Keep

[0:39:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): asking and it's a decision this group can make.

[0:39:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): so yes

[0:39:46] Voice 9: so

[0:39:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): keep keep the pressure on your your local trustees oh doug has some

[0:39:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): do

[0:39:53] Voice 7: you want to

[0:39:54] Voice 7: someone add to that or is it this whole thing is a balance against we've talked about climate change

[0:39:58] Voice 7: already what additional 10 families or 10 homes eat tiny homes or not if their impact on the land

[0:40:07] Voice 7: and space and the ocean rivers all water runs downhill into the ocean um is not sort of managed

[0:40:16] Voice 7: proactively right up front so in the whole motion of a zero impact footprint for all new homes all

[0:40:23] Voice 7: new families this will also ripple out to the larger homes over time but you know this is a

[0:40:29] Voice 7: hard conversation people don't want to change what they do right so this

[0:40:34] Voice 9: is that is honestly

[0:40:35] Voice 9: Just to say that it would be an environmental impact, those types of things.

[0:40:41] Voice 9: That has to be part of the equation.

[0:40:44] Voice 9: Just to give you the idea. We are two adult people, myself and my wife.

[0:40:52] Voice 9: And we definitely do not let anything back into the environment.

[0:40:58] Voice 9: what we do. So, all the feces, all the urine, feces are somewhere, urine goes there,

[0:41:06] tag that,

[0:41:07] Voice 9: and then we water our property with it, our plants. Of course, we have to use everything

[0:41:16] Voice 9: that what we wash with ourselves, that has to be organic, cannot be canister. But everything,

[0:41:23] So

[0:41:24] Voice 9: nothing, we have zero impact.

[0:41:26] Voice 9: That's what I can say based on the practice.

[0:41:29] Voice 9: What I'm

[0:41:30] Voice 7: getting at, that's you.

[0:41:32] Voice 7: No, but that will be

[0:41:34] Voice 7: mandatory for all of them.

[0:41:35] Voice 9: Well, that's not

[0:41:35] Voice 7: necessarily the truth.

[0:41:37] Voice 7: When you get into the bigger picture, you start bringing something to scale.

[0:41:43] Voice 7: But it's a

[0:41:43] Voice 7: great vision, right?

[0:41:45] Voice 7: It's a great concept, and I fully support that side of it,

[0:41:48] Voice 7: but we just have to be able to take that to scale and still see it that way.

[0:41:52] Voice 7: as i said we don't need

[0:41:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can't debate this today i think you're raising a good issue and i think

[0:41:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): your trustees are hearing you i think it's an important thing early in the term to talk about

[0:42:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know housing from

[0:42:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): a theta silent perspective and what this this body can do um to support that

[0:42:09] Voice 8: i'd be happy to have a another conversation with you and connect you to those people that are

[0:42:14] Voice 8: interested like i think you know dave ray is interested in it as well and maureen and

[0:42:18] Voice 8: and Wayne Roselle are interested in.

[0:42:20] Voice 8: And it's a matter of coming together with a common vision

[0:42:23] Voice 8: and getting community support.

[0:42:25] Voice 8: There's even talk about doing it on Ian's property.

[0:42:27] Voice 8: Yeah, I know.

[0:42:29] Voice 9: That's not mine.

[0:42:32] Voice 9: Anyway.

[0:42:32] Voice 8: Since I

[0:42:33] Voice 9: became a bill, it's just

[0:42:34] Voice 7: to make me over.

[0:42:35] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:42:36] Voice 9: Well,

[0:42:36] Voice 7: I first say that I have a second.

[0:42:39] Voice 7: Yes, or a town hall.

[0:42:40] Voice 7: I get quite a number of people asking me about it

[0:42:46] Voice 7: because they know there's some land availability or anything there is right um so and certainly

[0:42:56] Voice 7: myself i've been keen to support something affordable whether it was co-housing or

[0:43:02] Voice 7: you know something where you can always access so you need to manage the kind of lifestyle that

[0:43:09] people want to have on these places but i've seen examples where that seems to work so

[0:43:16] So especially with co-housing or, you know, some sort of, you know, lease system or something like this,

[0:43:24] something that could actually make this happen without the tiny coins being on it before it was very rich.

[0:43:33] Well,

[0:43:35] Voice 8: rich is a spectrum.

[0:43:38] Voice 8: I know exactly what you mean.

[0:43:41] Voice 8: And I agree with you completely.

[0:43:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): Living together isn't a new concept.

[0:43:45] Voice 8: no

[0:43:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's an important concept i mean communities need it's important we need to talk about it

[0:43:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): it is the fabric of who we are and we don't house who we are uh would you someone else be here is

[0:43:59] Voice 7: there a chance of having like a community forum or something like this where people could come

[0:44:04] Voice 7: together well

[0:44:05] Voice 8: individuals have attempted to do that and there's been some momentum but they

[0:44:11] Voice 8: usually ends up not coming to this decisive place but we could certainly host something

[0:44:16] Voice 8: facilitate conversation i'd be happy to i

[0:44:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): think it's a good it's a good conversation

[0:44:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's something this body will need to consider as it decides what it should be doing we have a need

[0:44:29] Voice 7: one of the point is the last turnover i think was like 50 50 on the trust

[0:44:33] Voice 7: trusting population new electees versus returning people so it just took me a sense of fortune

[0:44:42] Voice 7: okay

[0:44:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): good conversation and important okay uh i'm just going to go to the minutes i did know i did

[0:44:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a rising report i should have read it so before we do the minutes there was a rising

[0:44:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): report at our last meeting uh we did uh mary forbes pat mooney and marie copeland did i say

[0:45:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): that right and marie copeland

[0:45:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): and uh linda poyer

[0:45:06] Voice 8: poyer

[0:45:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): bill dickie and guy champagne to the thetis

[0:45:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): island advisory planning commission right and

[0:45:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): we have minutes here from that may 3rd meeting are

[0:45:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): there any additions or changes to those minutes no we can approve those minutes then uh through

[0:45:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): general consent all right uh we have a follow-up action list on page 11. this is item 7.1 in the

[0:45:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): agenda package are there any questions for staff or anything that's definitely raised from that

[0:45:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): i

[0:45:35] Voice 8: want to be able to report later which i think summarizes some of the things that are going on

[0:45:39] Voice 8: and i'm satisfied to have that conversation when we get there all right

[0:45:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): then that brings us to an

[0:45:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): application then 8.1 on the agenda it's uh a subdivision from 1998.1 in the page 15 of the

[0:45:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): agenda package so there's a staff report over to you another cover so this uh this is uh staff

[0:46:06] reports um

[0:46:07] Voice 5: requesting a waiver of the 10 frontage requirement um things that align with spiral

[0:46:14] Voice 5: section 2.6.7 requires the frontage of any lot created for a subdivision that's at least 10

[0:46:21] Voice 5: of the total a lot the african is requesting that the ltc for two of the five lots in phase four

[0:46:30] Voice 5: of his subdivision um we are recommending uh approval of that waiver and um

[0:46:40] Voice 5: we believe that the frontage is going to be more than adequate one of the lots is

[0:46:44] 58 meter a little more than 52 53

[0:46:47] Voice 5: meters of length and the other way 52

[0:46:51] Voice 5: and i believe the african is here if you would like to speak to that

[0:46:58] Voice 4: I don't know. I mean, you're aware that the actual access space for these lots will be down shared driveways.

[0:47:09] Yeah, I prefer shared driveways because it reduces impact.

[0:47:14] I mean, it's all walking roads, you know, making whole new driveways and parking for spots.

[0:47:25] Voice 4: So, the road frontage is a little bit of a nominal sort of thing in this case.

[0:47:33] Voice 4: I mean, it's there if they need it, but they probably won't actually use it.

[0:47:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, we'll debate. We may have questions for you. So, trustees, over to you.

[0:47:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): i

[0:47:50] Voice 7: think you're amazing no actually it made sense to me i just had to look at the map and

[0:47:55] Voice 7: uh the big thing is you're addressing what's facing you versus like in reality for physical

[0:48:01] Voice 7: presence versus the map so um yeah

[0:48:06] Voice 8: no i don't um have any concerns i think that the 50 roughly 50

[0:48:15] Voice 8: 15 meters for each of the lofts is more than adequate

[0:48:17] Voice 8: road frontage to meet the legislative requirement

[0:48:21] Voice 8: through voting and ourselves.

[0:48:29] Voice 8: And now the question I guess I have for Ian is,

[0:48:32] Voice 8: is this potentially the last four lofts of that?

[0:48:35] Voice 8: So then this subdivision will be completed.

[0:48:40] Voice 8: So I'm glad to see that.

[0:48:42] Voice 8: And in light of our conversation that we've just had is,

[0:48:46] Voice 8: You know, I would say that EPN has been successful in creating a strata subdivision, right,

[0:48:55] Voice 8: that has actually provided the opportunity for a form of affordable housing for people on the island.

[0:49:02] Voice 8: And indeed, you know, certainly there was controversy back at the beginning

[0:49:07] Voice 8: when the essential development of that to provide access to lands was necessary.

[0:49:13] Voice 8: But I think in the way that it's evolved, and as you've just indicated, is the impacts are being managed in a way that is as little as is possible, given the size and shape and scope of the subdivision.

[0:49:28] Voice 8: And there's a significant amount of common land, which is, I think, important, and water weight.

[0:49:35] Voice 8: So we haven't always agreed on the riparian aspects of it.

[0:49:38] Voice 8: that's okay we're in a better place now and i'm glad to see that this is coming to a conclusion

[0:49:45] Voice 8: and ideally there'll be some more different the newer version of some kind of development

[0:49:53] Voice 8: that provides an opportunity for i prefer to use the phrase small homes because tiny homes

[0:50:00] Voice 8: has the wrong context i don't think a home is something that's on wheels and i and actually

[0:50:08] Voice 8: we didn't and i'm going to segue a little tiny bit please forgive me we there is the development

[0:50:14] Voice 8: of some guidelines and principles being evolved developed on salt spring a template on what a

[0:50:21] Voice 8: tiny home using the word i don't like subdivision might look like which does include concrete

[0:50:27] Voice 8: foundations for a home to be placed on their

[0:50:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): mic their microphones it's so we've

[0:50:32] Voice 8: got to fix

[0:50:32] Voice 8: we've got to

[0:50:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): fix the terminology the

[0:50:34] Voice 8: terminology definitely

[0:50:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): needs to be fixed yeah

[0:50:36] Voice 8: but there is

[0:50:37] Voice 8: is potential and and because actually the building code is probably the most difficult

[0:50:42] Voice 8: thing to change it's decided by the province so anyway i'm

[0:50:46] Voice 8: in support of this and i'd be

[0:50:47] Voice 8: happy to make motion all

[0:50:49] Voice 4: right go

[0:50:50] Voice 8: ahead i'll move that as per local government act section

[0:50:53] Voice 8: 512 subsection 2 the theta south local trust committee exempt proposed strata lot 17 and

[0:51:00] Voice 8: proposed throughout a lot 18 in the phase four subdivision layout plan with th sub dash 1998.1

[0:51:11] Voice 8: from meeting thetis island land use regulation 2.6.7 the minimum 10 lot frontage requirement

[0:51:18] Voice 8: for a second selected

[0:51:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): by trustee benton any discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor

[0:51:27] that's carried thank

[0:51:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): you very much yes

[0:51:29] Voice 8: thanks for coming today

[0:51:35] Voice 5: just an administrative question um there is a 219 coming up with this subdivision that would

[0:51:41] Voice 5: need to be signed by someone and so we um we're just wanting to ask who would like to do that

[0:51:48] Voice 5: who would be like like to be the signatory on that or you could have daniel and salt spring do it

[0:51:57] Voice 5: uh danielle has indicated that you need one trustee no oh a local trustee yeah

[0:52:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah but could

[0:52:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): peter sign that during um yes the local trustee

[0:52:07] Voice 4: yes yes yeah

[0:52:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah yeah sure all right is that

[0:52:10] Voice 8: okay we need a motion to that effect okay i think right i think i think it's sort of

[0:52:24] we just want to narrow

[0:52:25] Voice 5: down the trustees because sometimes we have a hard time

[0:52:28] Voice 5: in the

[0:52:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): summer yeah whatever that is

[0:52:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right thank you very much

[0:52:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): in

[0:52:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): all

[0:52:42] Voice 9: right so

[0:52:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): the next item is 9.1 on the agenda and it's about the project slips and we have a

[0:52:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): study report on page 24.

[0:52:59] Voice 5: yeah so kind of to the end of the term we um there's this tendency to

[0:53:06] Voice 5: to have the trustees look at their projects lists

[0:53:08] Voice 5: and sort through them,

[0:53:10] Voice 5: decide if the projects in general

[0:53:13] Voice 5: are ones that you want to recommend

[0:53:15] Voice 5: to a new local trust committee, if there is one.

[0:53:19] Voice 5: And so generally this is,

[0:53:24] Voice 5: do you agree with the projects on the project lists?

[0:53:29] Voice 5: There is also a recommendation kind of embedded in here

[0:53:32] Voice 5: that the projects lists be reorganized

[0:53:35] Voice 5: to some extent um um the fetus uh products list does take ocp specific tasks and puts them all

[0:53:47] Voice 5: in one category already and um and that is our going to be our recommendation to each of the

[0:53:53] Voice 5: ltc is going forward but if you have identified ocp products they all could be lumped together

[0:54:00] Voice 5: other so you can kind of see them in the list and maybe view them all at once right so um so

[0:54:06] Voice 5: the projects list as organized and categorized includes a category for that so ocps lubbs and

[0:54:14] Voice 5: a combined ocp lubb category what we've also and what we've noticed is that most of the projects

[0:54:22] Voice 5: across the trust are either ocp or lubb amendments and there were requests for that but there's

[0:54:28] There's other kind of common categories like advocacy,

[0:54:32] Voice 5: engagement, stand-alone engagement or communications, sometimes education pieces.

[0:54:41] Voice 5: And so we've sort of lumped those into advocacy and communications is that category.

[0:54:49] Voice 5: And then the other categories are listed.

[0:54:52] Voice 5: my listed um uh something administrative so a bylaw or a process or procedure and the

[0:54:59] Voice 5: law enforcement is another category that that some of the ltcc is so um so we are recommending

[0:55:06] Voice 5: a top priorities list we are recommending a projects list that are attached to this um

[0:55:13] and have provided some

[0:55:15] Voice 5: recommendations and rationale for those um we we are also

[0:55:21] Voice 5: recommending just because Davis Island has the model antenna strategy on your projects list

[0:55:28] Voice 5: I think the intention with that was that you would look at it and you might want to amend

[0:55:33] Voice 5: it in some way to be more in line with what you'd like to see but what we've noticed is that

[0:55:42] Voice 5: it's not getting done necessarily and so our recommendation is that you adopt the model

[0:55:48] strategy if you decide that you want to do that in a later time so that that's reflected in the

[0:55:54] recommendations here that's

[0:55:58] Voice 4: kind of my summary right so i'm sorry

[0:56:08] Voice 4: trustees comments well i have one question to

[0:56:14] Voice 8: start with i had the impression that the riparian

[0:56:18] Voice 8: and areas regulations had come back from the minister and we had adopted is that not the case

[0:56:25] Voice 8: that is

[0:56:26] Voice 5: not the case the

[0:56:27] Voice 8: holdup

[0:56:29] Voice 5: has been that um uh first nations referral when they were

[0:56:35] Voice 5: originally done did not include the the current list and what's happened since um referral is that

[0:56:43] Voice 5: that some of the First Nations have

[0:56:44] Voice 5: expanded boundaries.

[0:56:46] Voice 5: So we got

[0:56:48] Voice 5: recommendations from the ministry

[0:56:50] Voice 5: to re-refer. We have

[0:56:52] Voice 5: done that, and we have not

[0:56:54] Voice 5: received any responses.

[0:56:56] Voice 5: So those bylaws

[0:56:58] are going back to the ministry,

[0:57:00] and we understand they are

[0:57:02] intent on approving them and

[0:57:04] looking them

[0:57:05] Voice 5: forward. So

[0:57:06] Voice 5: you may see them as soon as your next meeting.

[0:57:09] Voice 8: Okay. So they have

[0:57:10] Voice 8: gone back to the ministry already?

[0:57:12] Voice 8: yes okay

[0:57:13] Voice 8: perfect yes right

[0:57:15] Voice 8: just indeed let's get that i thought i

[0:57:17] Voice 5: know we want to yeah

[0:57:19] Voice 5: want to get off the list yeah um

[0:57:21] Voice 8: and i understand exactly what you're saying in the overall report

[0:57:26] Voice 8: about categorizing things and deciding what comes and what goes and i agree with doing it in that

[0:57:35] Voice 8: way i think our profit switch is often a it's just a storage place for things so that we don't

[0:57:42] Voice 8: forget them and over time unfortunately the memory my own included fails and um we lose track of

[0:57:53] Voice 8: why things are there and the one that in particular um that i'm cognizant of is the uh butte and um

[0:58:05] Voice 8: Island, which was an amendment to the associated islands of Butte and Dunsmuir Islands.

[0:58:14] Voice 8: And I feel a little guilty about not having done anything with those because we made a

[0:58:22] Voice 8: tacit agreement with the First Nations to pull Butte and Dunsmuir Islands from the OCPA

[0:58:29] Voice 8: at the time because they had other concerns that they thought we had not addressed.

[0:58:36] Voice 8: And the trouble is, and it's my assumption, right, I am concerned that those two islands

[0:58:43] Voice 8: are at risk for a development that is not necessarily in line with the Islands Trust

[0:58:52] Voice 8: Prison and Protect mandate and may or may not be in line, I can't say, with what First

[0:58:58] Voice 8: nation's interests are and so i really think that the more i think we need to capture that in a

[0:59:07] Voice 8: different way here because of the fact that you said do you want to remove these and was it

[0:59:11] Voice 8: complete in 2014 there's two questions there yeah those two islands which are you know over there

[0:59:19] Voice 8: kind of thing um are not in my mind currently protected by a modern uh ocp or lbp and that

[0:59:28] Voice 8: was the intention was to embrace all those smaller islands because they just had a rural land use

[0:59:34] Voice 8: bylaw which was completely inadequate um so somehow i'd like to see that captured and i

[0:59:42] Voice 8: think would be an ideal uh item to advance i am in complete agreement with you is um let's bring

[0:59:50] Voice 8: the antenna bylaw for uh advancing we don't have to change it there are some minor changes i have

[0:59:56] Voice 8: to go back to my notes that we could do.

[1:00:00] Voice 8: And that might even be hard to find at this point.

[1:00:03] Voice 8: So I wouldn't be satisfied to just adopt any bylaw,

[1:00:08] Voice 8: even if it's not 100% reflective,

[1:00:11] Voice 8: because I think it is comprehensive in its own way

[1:00:14] Voice 8: and would protect us,

[1:00:16] Voice 8: because presently we don't have any protection.

[1:00:18] Voice 8: So I would like to see that come back.

[1:00:21] Voice 8: The other items,

[1:00:22] Voice 8: I'm happy to have them.

[1:00:23] Voice 8: In fact, should some of these be removed?

[1:00:26] Voice 8: You know, that one from 2013,

[1:00:27] Voice 8: 13 Pilkey Point Marina Drive saluted support for habitat restoration the truth is that's outside of

[1:00:33] Voice 8: our jurisdiction um and I don't seem to be able to get I think that's something I'm going to take

[1:00:39] Voice 8: out when I'm not a trustee anyone and so it shouldn't be on a trust list um and then uh

[1:00:49] Voice 8: there is the memorandum of understanding which we don't seem to advance um and then the community

[1:00:56] Voice 8: community doxing on the associated islands of Ruxton seems to have settled out and I don't

[1:01:01] Voice 8: know what the bylaw enforcement activity is that's happening there at this time because you know I

[1:01:06] Voice 8: think one of the rationales for changing LUVs and OCPs is if you have a lot of bylaw enforcement

[1:01:12] Voice 8: about something and there was quite a bit of bylaw enforcement which in effect which is the reason

[1:01:18] Voice 8: why we even developed the associated islands because of bylaw enforcement on Ruxton associated

[1:01:23] Voice 8: of community docs we didn't change that we did create the ocps and change the language there

[1:01:28] Voice 8: and there are some problems there's some housekeeping language issues that need to

[1:01:33] Voice 8: be resolved one of which we addressed proactively earlier in the term and i'm grateful for that but

[1:01:40] Voice 8: the truth is is that doesn't seem to be as significant as it was before and so maybe there

[1:01:46] Voice 8: doesn't need to be any further changes there and if that community comes back to us and says

[1:01:51] Voice 8: primarily says hey we want a community doc and that time will come then we can get it

[1:01:57] Voice 8: onto the list and make it so we don't necessarily have to have it on the list

[1:02:03] Voice 8: cannabis first production that came to us a long time ago there was some interest on the island

[1:02:09] Voice 8: here for a little bit but that's gone away and cannabis production now seems to be mainstream

[1:02:16] Voice 8: stream in rural areas or urban areas more so than on islands although i don't know what's going on

[1:02:23] Voice 8: in salt spring these days there's quite a few just happily growing marijuana i guess um and then the

[1:02:29] Voice 8: affordable housing strategy which john says i think you know and i i can i think about what

[1:02:37] Voice 8: you've said and i'm trying to embrace it in in a way of full understanding about how conversations

[1:02:45] Voice 8: Stations don't do anything.

[1:02:47] Voice 8: Developing OCPs and LEBs do.

[1:02:50] Voice 8: And so if we say, well, we're going to hold some workshops about affordable housing, if

[1:02:57] Voice 8: it doesn't turn into something, or you don't have a thing on the table to do something,

[1:03:02] Voice 8: then what's the point of having a workshop?

[1:03:04] Voice 8: And so I've actually, you'll be glad to know, I've actually said, community groups, figure

[1:03:10] Voice 8: it out.

[1:03:11] Voice 8: Get a willing landowner to come to the table.

[1:03:14] Voice 8: We'll make a project.

[1:03:15] Voice 8: I wouldn't make, but I don't know how to rationalize that.

[1:03:21] Voice 8: So I think that's it for me.

[1:03:24] Voice 8: All these other things.

[1:03:27] Voice 8: Oh, I do believe that the soil removal deposit bylaw

[1:03:31] Voice 8: to facilitate composting facilities on Thetis

[1:03:35] Voice 8: should be a priority.

[1:03:36] Voice 8: So if I was making a priority list,

[1:03:38] Voice 8: I would say antennas, soil removal,

[1:03:45] Voice 8: and Dunsmuir Island,

[1:03:49] Voice 8: and affordable housing is the top of the project was just to keep it in the wings that's what i

[1:03:57] Voice 8: think because we're going to pass this on to potential future ltc i do have some aspiration

[1:04:05] Voice 8: to be good

[1:04:06] Voice 4: but i might not i

[1:04:13] Voice 4: was just i know

[1:04:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's think of two things when you're making

[1:04:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): your list one is what you do here on the island the other is that opportunity to get the attention

[1:04:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the regional planning committee so while for example having a housing strategy may seem

[1:04:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): overwhelming or you know where it is but taken in context of okay all the other islands in the north

[1:04:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): have the same issue maybe it's a you're participating in a broader project um rather

[1:04:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): than being on your own so i think the message of what you set as being important also will

[1:04:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): get the attention of opportunities for joint projects yeah

[1:05:04] Voice 8: so on that note i would see

[1:05:08] Voice 8: let's fast track the antenna thing get it going and then the next ltc would see soil removal

[1:05:14] Voice 8: will be done around housing strategies that talk to your partners

[1:05:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): let's hear from yeah trustee

[1:05:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): benton what are your thoughts uh

[1:05:24] Voice 7: well just um clarifications that are just i like the way it's

[1:05:28] Voice 7: incentive it's a great way of sort of get you know putting some substance down to the future

[1:05:34] Voice 7: thoughts and things are bought in um so but with that thought um things like my comments are around

[1:05:44] Voice 7: sort of the slew, the idea of why not be put as a sub,

[1:05:52] Voice 7: as well, not as being put under the shoreline protection

[1:05:56] Voice 7: strategy, because, you know, concept,

[1:05:58] Voice 7: because I mean, we're going to have that,

[1:05:59] Voice 7: that's a holistic, all shores, right?

[1:06:04] Voice 7: So this may be at least a project unto itself

[1:06:06] Voice 7: at some date on the road,

[1:06:07] Voice 7: maybe somebody else will do it together.

[1:06:10] Voice 7: But short term, it has to be considered

[1:06:12] Voice 7: the shoreline protection coastal strategy so we have to actually so i'd move that under that as a

[1:06:19] Voice 7: point of thought but then the higher up level would be at the regional planning level

[1:06:26] Voice 7: this snapshot of fetus would probably translate to a thousand different situations throughout

[1:06:31] Voice 7: the trust area so in itself it helps you parameters and or needs and or

[1:06:40] Voice 7: opportunities down the road for other enemy uh at a regional level have a conversation that would

[1:06:47] Voice 7: then filter down to each ltc to build to grab and use locally somewhere down the road um so it's not

[1:06:54] Voice 7: forgotten but it's put into context of our current crime or um change issues or um

[1:07:15] Voice 7: the other level of sensitive ecosystem education and engagement again

[1:07:21] Voice 7: i could just not be working communicate or advocacy and communication this is great

[1:07:27] Voice 7: at the local level of our advocacy people can actually implement that in our local

[1:07:32] Voice 7: of conservancy here on this think.

[1:07:35] Voice 7: So could this not be part of a collaborative effort with think?

[1:07:39] Voice 7: Even if it's just, you know, once again, working with them,

[1:07:44] Voice 7: they're an implementation tool.

[1:07:46] Voice 7: They've got conservancy as a bigger body and constantly

[1:07:51] Voice 7: working with them and flow with their information and energies.

[1:07:58] Voice 7: But it's not, we should not be taken out of that.

[1:08:02] Voice 7: we need to be as a local trust i would advocate we are actually trust committee we actually need

[1:08:07] Voice 7: to spend more time thinking we're talking about at least considering as over time about how this

[1:08:15] Voice 7: is as things come out as new education is needed um we would then look to our local partners

[1:08:22] Voice 7: they may turn around and get a student for that summer to do education on this issue because we

[1:08:29] Voice 7: put it on their table as an idea for a project for their summer students um so i think it's a great

[1:08:37] Voice 7: thing for us to have i think if we formalize it keep it there in these appropriate categories then

[1:08:45] Voice 7: as issues rise we can put them out and reach and reach out to the

[1:08:52] Voice 7: the Conservancy here.

[1:08:54] Voice 7: But again, the dynamic trust area at the regional level,

[1:08:58] Voice 7: a solution down here may be beneficial

[1:09:00] Voice 7: to the whole trust area and Island Trust Conservancy.

[1:09:04] Voice 7: So having that resource, shared resource and knowledge base

[1:09:12] Voice 7: is certainly a win-win for everybody.

[1:09:17] Voice 7: The other one, how was your sort of the planning

[1:09:21] Voice 7: for approving community engagement first nations uh this here we are um

[1:09:29] Voice 7: in a sense it's almost just like this column like this but we need that framework it needs to not

[1:09:34] Voice 7: cover the way this needs to be an evolving conversation so um get ready to file it and

[1:09:42] Voice 7: put it aside and or assume um that all this will always be thought of i would suggest that it needs

[1:09:51] Voice 7: needs to be just an evolving always,

[1:09:58] Voice 7: but I'm free.

[1:09:59] Voice 7: Yeah, I'm fearful that it will do a lot.

[1:10:02] Voice 7: We've got our declaration that we should actually,

[1:10:05] Voice 7: the declaration we break it out and we look for

[1:10:07] Voice 7: a ways to implement it.

[1:10:09] Voice 7: What are the actual teeth?

[1:10:11] Voice 7: You know, which actual cog needs to actually be looked at

[1:10:14] Voice 7: for this development and, or five years from now,

[1:10:18] Voice 7: that big change with First Nations.

[1:10:20] Voice 7: We might have more tools or we're at the table

[1:10:23] Voice 7: discussing tools what do we need um so we need to actually always have this um as a framework

[1:10:30] Voice 7: to reflect on and somehow keep it always at um as our as our provincial guards start to find

[1:10:40] Voice 7: tools to actually give the local governments the ability to move forward on these things

[1:10:44] Voice 7: that we're able to actually be more nimble it's not a multi-year thing so it comes up

[1:10:49] Voice 1: for

[1:10:49] Voice 7: me to be able to sit down and have that conversation so i would suggest that we keep this

[1:10:57] Voice 7: as it is but really seek out sort of a tool that keeps it always practicing it doesn't just get

[1:11:05] Voice 7: can i

[1:11:09] Voice 8: just add to that um it strikes me and trying to think about the modeling that um

[1:11:17] Voice 8: our family power is trying to encourage us along that you appreciate it does strike me that

[1:11:23] Voice 8: that everything that Doug has just said

[1:11:25] Voice 8: with respect to that First Nations engagement,

[1:11:30] Voice 8: actually, I'm thinking that what we actually need to do

[1:11:35] Voice 8: is revise the opening remarks of the OCP

[1:11:40] Voice 8: to embrace those principles in the OCP.

[1:11:43] Voice 8: And then from that moment on,

[1:11:47] Voice 8: everything that not only we do,

[1:11:50] Voice 8: but everything that staff do

[1:11:51] Voice 8: when they look at some project,

[1:11:53] Voice 8: they look at the OCP to see if it's in alignment

[1:11:55] Voice 8: with the work, and it says, thou shalt do this with First Nations.

[1:12:01] Voice 8: So I think there's, in order to turn that advocacy thing

[1:12:06] Voice 8: into a more proactive OCP amendment,

[1:12:10] Voice 8: I think we should look really closely at our OCP

[1:12:14] Voice 8: and put that language in the OCP so that it's there forever.

[1:12:20] Voice 7: All right, great.

[1:12:21] Voice 7: So how do we make it tangible and implementable?

[1:12:29] Voice 8: And then it becomes this more, so I'm not sure how that would go with that.

[1:12:40] I would say that

[1:12:41] Voice 8: should be on the list of things, but I'm taking some of your time now.

[1:12:47] Voice 8: The obvious thing is things like the repairing area regulation prevent us from doing other

[1:12:56] Voice 4: and

[1:12:57] Voice 8: that i think is probably the most frustrated thing is is respecting the 13 percent of the

[1:13:03] Voice 8: allocation of resources that we get gets allocated to something that god we thought that had gone

[1:13:09] Voice 8: away

[1:13:09] Voice 4: okay that's okay

[1:13:12] Voice 7: and i guess what would be that support thing just the doctor

[1:13:17] Voice 7: And I think that is just something that your students, it's like, it's here, we can do it.

[1:13:23] Voice 5: Yeah, I can follow up on that.

[1:13:25] Voice 5: I mean, I think what I'm hearing on the board is you add a topic to the OCP and LUB amendments list.

[1:13:36] Voice 5: You're adding a specific topic that is First Nations acknowledgements.

[1:13:42] Voice 5: I don't know how you, we have, we, in discussing, yeah.

[1:13:47] Voice 5: Yeah, so something along those lines

[1:13:48] Voice 5: where we capture it under the OCP.

[1:13:52] Voice 4: But

[1:13:58] Voice 5: I would also say that I think it's also part

[1:14:02] Voice 5: of our discussion about project management in general

[1:14:05] Voice 5: and our framework around that and our approach

[1:14:08] Voice 5: when we do any sort of project is, you know,

[1:14:12] Voice 5: first and foremost, what is our first station's engagement?

[1:14:16] Voice 5: And there's other opportunities for that,

[1:14:19] Voice 5: like, I don't know, our project charter.

[1:14:20] Voice 5: you know our product charter could have a section a built-in section that says first

[1:14:25] Voice 5: nations engagement and so that it's always a prompt and we're always looking at it you know

[1:14:30] Voice 5: it could be it can be operational things like that that

[1:14:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): help us keep that always in mind

[1:14:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's a tough one because it's i mean it's it's a it's a all of the above yeah it's it's it's how

[1:14:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i think you know the conversation we were having earlier about okay you got a first you

[1:14:50] You

[1:14:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): know, a new term coming.

[1:14:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): So part of it is put your thoughts in this new term coming.

[1:14:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): How do we start the term off on a good note?

[1:14:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Just this conversation we're having here, this is in, this is out,

[1:15:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is in, this is out.

[1:15:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that respectful?

[1:15:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): So that we need to build in an early sort of strategic planning session

[1:15:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): with your community, the First Nations, maybe both alternatives.

[1:15:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's where are we putting our emphasis and where are our interests

[1:15:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): because we have what we think they are.

[1:15:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): They might not match what the community thinks they are,

[1:15:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it might not match what First Nations think they are,

[1:15:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): or we got it right.

[1:15:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's worth checking.

[1:15:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): And then anytime you do a project, again, it's that,

[1:15:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay, now we're building a project,

[1:15:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): now it's going into another level of detail

[1:15:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): of how it works and how the interests are.

[1:15:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): On the structure, there's one piece that,

[1:15:49] i question of structure and it sort of relates to the strategic planning and that is

[1:15:54] sort of the the the measuring and

[1:15:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): monitoring performance monitoring part our ocp is to me

[1:16:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): not a it's not a dead thing it's it's a lie it had aspirations and thoughts but yet we know you know

[1:16:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): did it get realized or something else happened that we weren't expecting if we're not looking

[1:16:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): how do we know what's happening and is that a project or is that something that needs to be

[1:16:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): built in more to the structure of what we do you know to feed information as I look at you know we

[1:16:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): have census data which is census data but we've got real estate sales you've got building permits

[1:16:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): you've got all these other indicators of what's happening in the community you know the sizes of

[1:16:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): the houses being built and development potential and these things that tell a story that feed into

[1:16:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): some of the decisions that we're making so is that a project that has to be done like you said or

[1:17:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): versus is it something that how do we how do we make that happen i

[1:17:12] Voice 5: mean there's a couple

[1:17:13] Voice 5: ways we can do it but when you say that what i what comes to mind is modern practice for ocps

[1:17:20] Voice 5: which is a whole section on performance indicators and um and so you build into your ocp

[1:17:29] Voice 5: measurements and your objectives are actually measurable objectives you know over over the

[1:17:35] Voice 5: next five years they just will i've been not going to do this but you're going to make ensure that

[1:17:42] Voice 5: there's enough zoning for an additional x number for the housing units and um so ocps in the modern

[1:17:49] Voice 5: era are are moving towards more of that kind of model and you haven't you have a whole section

[1:17:56] Voice 5: that is uh is that performance measures indicators

[1:18:01] Voice 7: does that uh does that include or consider or

[1:18:06] Voice 7: or thinking of the traditional knowledge elements as well?

[1:18:10] Voice 7: Or is that evolving into?

[1:18:12] Voice 7: I

[1:18:12] Voice 5: think that's a good question.

[1:18:13] Voice 5: And I don't know of any examples of that.

[1:18:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): But we could do that.

[1:18:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, that would be conversations with First Nations.

[1:18:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): What is success for what we think performance is?

[1:18:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): Those are all touch points for communications.

[1:18:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Develop that.

[1:18:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): So

[1:18:33] Voice 7: with that, is that a regional planning committee level thing that filters back to us, or is that generated at the local LTC?

[1:18:43] Voice 5: It can be either. I mean, the LTC could theoretically have a project that develops a chapter on the farmer's indicators.

[1:18:51] Voice 5: years um but i with the resources we have it would be my recommendation that when we develop more of

[1:19:00] Voice 5: a template ocp that we have um a sample chapter for everybody and and sample um i mean because

[1:19:10] Voice 5: we do keep thinking of having a template ocp um but the way that it has really worked out is that

[1:19:17] Voice 5: that as each OCP project gets done for each LTC,

[1:19:21] Voice 5: there's some element of it that is transferable, right?

[1:19:24] Voice 5: And so if Salt Spring, if you do a project

[1:19:28] Voice 5: where you have an indicators chapter,

[1:19:31] Voice 5: maybe

[1:19:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): everybody else can have a look at it.

[1:19:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, that's what I mean,

[1:19:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): when we were talking about the project,

[1:19:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): because that was one of my comments,

[1:19:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): that there's more than content as to why update OCP.

[1:19:43] Is the community healthy

[1:19:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): or are there other things that we're monitoring that would trigger

[1:19:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): and say, no, wait, your OCP is out of sync with what's happening.

[1:19:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): And yeah, I do see that as an overall project where we're feeding information and constantly

[1:20:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): learning.

[1:20:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): This is one of those live adaptive things because we want it to get better

[1:20:10] Voice 4: as

[1:20:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): we learn

[1:20:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): to be more you know i think we've been more of a reactive style organization and as we move into

[1:20:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): being more proactive um we have to be able to get ahead of that more work to do

[1:20:28] Voice 7: that's right

[1:20:29] Voice 7: to be nimble right we need that that just needs to be sitting there because climate change is

[1:20:35] Voice 7: going to force us whether we want to adapt or not if we have another last year we're going to do a

[1:20:41] Voice 7: lot of adapting over in three months two months one one a week um so we have you know huge

[1:20:48] Voice 7: potential and we have as opposed to being afraid it's just encourage us to jump on just go for it

[1:20:56] Voice 7: you're going to have opportunities to actually test our ability

[1:21:02] Voice 7: and then

[1:21:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): the other category i'm sort of looking at this

[1:21:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): regional slash cooperative planning opportunities where it may not be an ocp land use but it might

[1:21:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): be something made with cabbage and valley regional district that we're we're yeah we're looking at

[1:21:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): something more regionally or it's other islands or

[1:21:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's you know it's it's uh an activity that

[1:21:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know you could be cooperating on a grant opportunity to do active transportation in the

[1:21:37] Voice 1: region

[1:21:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): something of that nature which it could in theory end up being something that gets caught in

[1:21:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): your ocp for your island specific but it's a broader project that is happening

[1:21:49] Voice 5: um the

[1:21:51] Voice 5: affordable housing strategy is one of those things that comes to mind you know denman and hornby are

[1:21:55] Voice 5: both working on affordable housing projects right now it's something that is everywhere and

[1:22:02] Voice 5: And it seems like an issue that more than one LTC should be working on.

[1:22:07] Voice 5: Yes.

[1:22:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, sorry.

[1:22:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's a huge

[1:22:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): opportunity to be working together.

[1:22:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, part of it is we're learning as somebody's moving forward on something.

[1:22:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is it working?

[1:22:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is it resulting in positive aspects?

[1:22:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): and then we

[1:22:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): can learn and share

[1:22:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): rather than reproducing every time.

[1:22:39] Voice 8: So I'm thinking about a couple of things.

[1:22:42] Voice 8: One, some of the things that I've just heard

[1:22:44] Voice 8: in this conversation,

[1:22:48] Voice 8: and then thinking about what's an outcome

[1:22:51] Voice 8: for this report that we have,

[1:22:52] Voice 8: because I think you probably need to bring it back to us

[1:22:55] Voice 8: with what you've heard

[1:22:57] Voice 8: and ideally what we may or may not have agreed upon.

[1:23:00] Voice 8: on um and just i'm going to pick up on nimble just for a moment because that came up and that's

[1:23:07] Voice 8: something i've talked about ever since i've been a trustee is how can we be more nimble as an

[1:23:12] Voice 8: organization in hot in from all these years later i can say what that means the ideal is

[1:23:20] Voice 8: heather drop everything and go do this and that's just not going to happen we don't have what is

[1:23:27] Voice 8: It's more than obvious is due to fiscal responsibility,

[1:23:32] Voice 8: we have limited surplus resources to be nimble.

[1:23:36] Voice 8: And we can't reserve that space to facilitate being nimble

[1:23:42] Voice 8: because all this other stuff is so important.

[1:23:45] Voice 8: So I don't know

[1:23:46] Voice 8: how that actually manifests.

[1:23:47] Voice 8: And I'm just going to say, just saying that,

[1:23:49] Voice 8: I would love us to be more nimble,

[1:23:51] Voice 8: but it's difficult to manifest.

[1:23:54] Voice 8: And what happens is you and Marlis in her new days in the Adams Trust ends up working way above and beyond what we should actually expect.

[1:24:06] Voice 8: And that's worth saying.

[1:24:10] Voice 8: So I sort of think that this idea of embracing the measurements in the OCP is a brilliant idea.

[1:24:21] Voice 8: idea. I don't know how it would end up being implemented, but it's good to put it there.

[1:24:28] Voice 8: And what you're telling me is that's a new practice. And I'll just mention that in a

[1:24:32] Voice 8: moment. But I think that there is a tying together, particularly of what I said earlier

[1:24:38] Voice 8: about embracing the First Nations piece into it, because indeed that's immeasurable. Are

[1:24:43] Voice 8: we being successful? Because I think really that's what we want to be the most successful

[1:24:48] Voice 8: a lot right now so i would endorse and support that being included in that ocp in order to

[1:24:58] Voice 8: provide that ability to um measure how we're doing each individual lbc but i haven't uh

[1:25:11] Voice 8: some of that internal response to when you talked about putting those measurements in your ocp and

[1:25:18] Voice 8: that other jurisdictions decide determine that there's a demand for affordable housing and so

[1:25:24] Voice 8: we should do something about it but there's a little bit of a breakdown between the municipal

[1:25:29] Voice 8: model of land use planning and ocps that is different than the islands trust because we're

[1:25:35] Voice 8: not a municipality we don't have lands we don't have uh revenues associated with land development

[1:25:44] Voice 8: development growth um and so there's a bit of a thing there about because certainly that's a great

[1:25:53] Voice 8: idea to say and in fact we have the reports we're obligated by the province now to create these

[1:25:58] Voice 8: reports however often they're supposed to be created that address affordable housing needs

[1:26:03] Voice 8: assessments so the needs assessments are there how do we move to implementation i don't know

[1:26:13] Voice 8: and then i just want to say and going over the list i have come to realize

[1:26:20] Voice 8: that we absolutely are a reactive organization trustees are stimulated by their community

[1:26:27] Voice 8: and complaints and otherwise to be reactive and so i think i said earlier that we make ocp and

[1:26:34] Voice 8: lup amendments because of something and we want to fix it and so it's very much reactive um

[1:26:43] Voice 8: And I don't know how we get out of that.

[1:26:45] Voice 8: But part of it was me going over that list and going, oh, well, I thought that was a great idea five years ago.

[1:26:52] Voice 8: I thought this was a great idea three years ago.

[1:26:55] Voice 8: I thought this was a great idea last year.

[1:26:57] Voice 8: But in reality, nothing has happened.

[1:27:00] Voice 8: So I'm actually proactively being reactive when I don't need to be.

[1:27:08] Voice 8: So honestly, those things, it's not that I don't care about those things.

[1:27:12] Voice 8: They can come off the list.

[1:27:15] Voice 8: but replace them with some kind of a wholesome approach to life that ensures that we keep tabs on these important values.

[1:27:24] Voice 8: And I think I've come around to thinking that you need that language in the OCP that says that.

[1:27:32] Voice 8: And maybe we'd be

[1:27:34] Voice 4: too clinical with our OCPs rather than being more broad and visionary.

[1:27:39] Voice 8: And a conversation came up recently, and it was around the policy statement,

[1:27:46] Voice 8: that although it's a bylaw it's not a regulation it's administrative and the ocp

[1:27:54] Voice 8: it's a visionary document that it's a bylaw but the land use bylaw is the regulatory piece

[1:28:02] Voice 8: and so there's a little sort of place that we end up needing to be in all of our ocps but of course

[1:28:10] Voice 8: every ltc needs to want to get there because the other trouble with the island trust there's way

[1:28:15] Voice 8: too many ocps and they all say something different and there's no somebody assumes that oh this

[1:28:21] Voice 8: happens on horny but why doesn't it happen on theaters because it's not on the ocp they don't

[1:28:29] Voice 8: so all right

[1:28:32] Voice 5: so do you have any yes i have one follow-up uh that is about nimbleness

[1:28:37] Voice 5: you know my i wonder if that's really about communication to some extent there's there's

[1:28:44] Voice 5: some part of that that is about communication and how we communicate with one another um you know

[1:28:50] Voice 5: this town hall was an example of of nimbleness in my mind because we had this conversation and

[1:28:57] Voice 5: got information about you know beyond got information about the fact that tiny homes

[1:29:02] Voice 5: don't make building code and that that's been a barrier and so just i felt like there was some

[1:29:09] Voice 5: progress in that conversation and i also feel like part of what we could do operationally

[1:29:15] is you

[1:29:16] Voice 5: know if a trustee has a question or a concern or there's some sort of problem that

[1:29:21] Voice 5: comes up in the community that they want to address somehow um staff can be asked to to

[1:29:29] Voice 5: think about that you know what is something that we can do right now um to address this issue in

[1:29:35] Voice 5: some small way and there is there there are always communication tools that we can use

[1:29:43] Voice 5: even if we're not changing by ourselves right away um and i know that claire freighter has that

[1:29:48] Voice 5: that vision too you know that that sometimes we're not going to fix something but we can communicate

[1:29:56] Voice 3: and that's part of it well

[1:29:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): part of the

[1:30:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's it's likely being addressed somewhere yeah 13 different groups so like this this this idea

[1:30:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): with tiny homes that we're working on minister with the emily olsen and minister evie um that's

[1:30:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): something all the local trust committee should know about and could have been an opportunity

[1:30:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): that would put more pressure on um ministry if

[1:30:23] Voice 7: we are working

[1:30:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): together so um that's that's where

[1:30:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): Where the system is not, there's some crud in the pipes.

[1:30:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): We've got to clean out so that information is flowing across all the local trust committees readily and timely.

[1:30:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that's, it's an annoying part.

[1:30:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): Lots of to-dos.

[1:30:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that's all we can do.

[1:30:54] Voice 5: I've been taking some notes.

[1:30:56] Voice 5: It sounds like you want us to bring this back with some of the thoughts that we've had.

[1:31:01] Voice 5: One question I had was about the guns near Butte issue, and I was trying to find where that was on the list currently.

[1:31:13] Voice 8: OCP, Associated Allen's OCP Amendment.

[1:31:19] Voice 8: And that was a sacrifice that we made back in 2014 in order to advance the OCP at the time.

[1:31:29] Voice 8: and it seemed reasonable and we had great

[1:31:32] Voice 8: aspirations that we were going to get on that

[1:31:34] Voice 8: and have those conversations

[1:31:36] Voice 8: never happened

[1:31:42] Voice 3: we'll revamp

[1:31:43] Voice 3: and bring it back

[1:31:45] Voice 8: that kind of comes back to our

[1:31:48] Voice 8: reactive mode

[1:31:51] Voice 8: I'm sort of being

[1:31:52] Voice 8: proactive because

[1:31:54] Voice 8: but it's triggered by being reactive because

[1:31:56] Voice 8: I see these things happening

[1:31:58] Voice 8: on little islands that

[1:32:00] Voice 8: oh too late

[1:32:03] Voice 8: the damage is done and I think those maybe I'm wrong I think those islands are vulnerable

[1:32:09] Voice 8: every

[1:32:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): island is vulnerable

[1:32:13] Voice 8: right now I can tell you well no yeah well you're not exactly right

[1:32:17] Voice 8: if

[1:32:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's privately held um it's vulnerable

[1:32:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): those

[1:32:22] Voice 8: islands are privately held and

[1:32:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's some old

[1:32:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know um densities that are that are not realistic

[1:32:35] so you'll end up you know like the james island situation if you don't

[1:32:38] Voice 4: watch out and um so there

[1:32:41] are lots of opportunities i think that's that's a project that should be happening throughout the

[1:32:46] island stress is

[1:32:48] Voice 4: looking at

[1:32:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): all all other islands other than the main islands to see what what

[1:32:57] potential is existing on those um because

[1:33:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): i know you know we've got the rural rural islands i mean

[1:33:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): they're they're they're zoned residentially you can build a house and we've got one until some

[1:33:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): guy's trying to put a 3 000 square foot house on a rock um because he can and uh you know

[1:33:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think that's something we have to look at and especially with the james island decision

[1:33:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): should those potentials be sitting out there but that's that's i think

[1:33:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): So,

[1:33:34] Voice 8: you know, we were pretty bold years ago on the Bolinas, which I'll say I'm the executive

[1:33:41] Voice 8: of, we down-zoned that island.

[1:33:44] Voice 8: That's a simple thing to do.

[1:33:46] Voice 4: Sure,

[1:33:47] Voice 8: there's flak, but it's actually a simple thing to do.

[1:33:50] Voice 4: And

[1:33:51] Voice 8: maybe that's what needs to happen on those islands and have that conversation with the

[1:33:55] Voice 8: Chimayas, this nation, to say, we're not going to change anything.

[1:33:59] Voice 8: We're just going to down-zone so they're protected.

[1:34:01] Voice 8: it and if you want to have a conversation about it with someone in the future let's have the

[1:34:05] Voice 8: conversation yeah

[1:34:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can always come do a

[1:34:08] Voice 8: rezoning yeah

[1:34:09] Voice 4: that was

[1:34:12] Voice 8: scary i like that whoever is

[1:34:14] Voice 8: sorry about that i'm excited i'm excited having a relationship whoever the owners are

[1:34:22] Voice 4: and um

[1:34:24] Voice 8: knowing what their intentions are which we could work with but we need to know what they are

[1:34:32] and

[1:34:32] Voice 8: they could also self-initiate some kind of protection mechanism so that in our responsibility

[1:34:39] Voice 8: as a crown agency to preserve and protect these islands, we feel that we're doing the right thing.

[1:34:47] Voice 8: Mr. Tufferman.

[1:34:48] Voice 7: How do you, do they don't fit in their net because you're not a 1.5?

[1:34:54] Voice 7: But I mean, that, those kind of companies should be allowed, should just,

[1:34:59] Voice 7: is that kind of

[1:35:02] Voice 7: an acreage?

[1:35:04] Voice 8: Oh, we can do that.

[1:35:06] Voice 8: We can do setbacks.

[1:35:07] Voice 8: We're huge.

[1:35:09] Voice 7: I

[1:35:11] Voice 5: don't know if I was, I don't think it was this body

[1:35:13] that I was

[1:35:14] Voice 5: talking to you about, but

[1:35:16] Voice 5: during the

[1:35:18] Voice 5: American Planning Association conference

[1:35:20] Voice 5: that I went to this year, I watched

[1:35:21] Voice 5: a session

[1:35:24] Voice 5: on shoreline

[1:35:26] Voice 5: regulations and

[1:35:28] Voice 5: the county of Hawaii

[1:35:29] Voice 5: in Hawaii, the planning director there was talking about how they've been managing that and how they

[1:35:35] Voice 5: really just made a 75 foot setback. And they started with that. But zoning is definitely a

[1:35:42] Voice 5: part of that.

[1:35:43] Voice 4: And zoning is

[1:35:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): absolutely a vendor killer and has maybe a cut.

[1:35:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): San Juan Island is 200 feet.

[1:35:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[1:35:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): So yeah, no wait, I think we need to look at it holistically. I think that's where the 13

[1:35:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Minus 13 is on the shorelines and all the 450

[1:36:07] Voice 8: little islands minus 13

[1:36:10] Voice 8: out there.

[1:36:12] Voice 8: So can I just talk about an idea if we want, because we're ultimately looking at making

[1:36:17] Voice 8: some kind of project list and recommendations from what we've just talked about.

[1:36:23] Voice 8: I think rather than actually making any changes as a project, we could ask you to provide

[1:36:29] Voice 8: as options for protection that don't appear yeah

[1:36:31] Voice 4: sure for sure that

[1:36:33] Voice 8: would be relatively simple yeah

[1:36:36] Voice 4: okay yeah do you need a motion for that no

[1:36:41] Voice 5: i thought okay so

[1:36:45] Voice 8: do you need any kind of a motion

[1:36:46] Voice 8: for the other things we've talked about like antenna well

[1:36:49] Voice 5: the antenna well the antenna would

[1:36:51] Voice 5: you need a portion well

[1:36:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): i want to talk about the antenna uh because uh especially welcome on salt

[1:36:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): spring when we we did adopt the antenna strategies recently but we also adopted a standing resolution

[1:37:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): to build a gap on the first nations thing so i had since yeah i sent i sent it to heather um

[1:37:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): i can you want me to read the specific

[1:37:15] Voice 8: so

[1:37:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): we have the model the model strategy is missing that

[1:37:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's been re-preferred back to the regional planning

[1:37:24] Voice 4: team as a work

[1:37:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): project to update

[1:37:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): the model strategy to reflect First Nations.

[1:37:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): So this standing resolution was intended to just packages with the and allows us to ask.

[1:37:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I'll read what it says here.

[1:37:41] So this was the standing resolution in respect to First Nations consultation in accordance

[1:37:49] in accordance with the strategy for antenna systems

[1:37:51] in the local trust area.

[1:37:52] So the proponent will consult

[1:37:55] the local trust area representative

[1:37:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): during the pre-consultation phase

[1:38:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): to determine proximity of the proposed antenna system

[1:38:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): to known archeological sites

[1:38:05] and or areas of archeological potential

[1:38:08] and obtain a list of First Nations rights and type holders.

[1:38:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): Proponent is recommended to undertake consultation

[1:38:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): during the pre-consultation phase

[1:38:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): with the Islands Trust and First Nations cultural knowledge holder

[1:38:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the siting of the proposed antenna system

[1:38:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): as it relates to cultural and sacred sites.

[1:38:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): The proponent will obtain and provide a BC Archaeological Information Request response

[1:38:33] from the BC Archaeological Branch to confirm proximity of the proposed antenna system

[1:38:38] to known archaeological sites and or

[1:38:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): archaeological potential,

[1:38:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): including permit requirements under the Heritage Conservation Act.

[1:38:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): proponent will obtain and provide an archaeological impact assessment for antenna systems to be cited

[1:38:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): on or within 100 meters of the known archaeological site or cultural sacred site

[1:38:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): identified by a first nations cultural knowledge holder and the proponent will provide written

[1:39:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): notice including if applicable the archaeological impact assessment sent by a regular mail or hand

[1:39:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): delivery to all first nations rights and title holders identified during the pre-consultation

[1:39:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): base it's a mouthful so

[1:39:13] Voice 7: is that the standard solution where you

[1:39:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a tall spring yes

[1:39:17] Voice 8: wow that

[1:39:18] Voice 8: is a muscle so there's no harm no

[1:39:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): i just thought that might be um knowing what uh

[1:39:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): you saw on your your one mountain up here um this would be oh well there's three mountains

[1:39:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): well i'm sorry the one that we had the tower that was proposed before um if if you want to

[1:39:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): adopt do that and also adopt this um standing

[1:39:43] Voice 4: resolutions yeah i'm content to do

[1:39:55] Voice 8: that but

[1:39:56] Voice 8: presumably when you brought it back to us with this standing resolution although we would

[1:40:03] Voice 8: potentially do that right now um when you brought the antenna back to us for first reading say

[1:40:09] Voice 8: the opportunity would exist once again to make others minor

[1:40:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): events it's it's uh you're just

[1:40:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): adopting it's not my

[1:40:18] Voice 5: law it's just so you

[1:40:20] Voice 8: would it's just an endorsement

[1:40:21] Voice 8: but you

[1:40:22] Voice 5: can you can make

[1:40:24] Voice 5: amendments yes so

[1:40:27] Voice 8: we could uh so just in order not to slow the process down because if we just

[1:40:31] Voice 8: do it it'll be done you can bring it to us we can make amendments and then we can endorse the

[1:40:36] Voice 8: amended version yes well

[1:40:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): my understanding is it's a it is a model strap that is a protocol strategy

[1:40:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): strategy for

[1:40:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): violence trust.

[1:40:46] Voice 5: It was one that

[1:40:48] Voice 5: is recommended, but there have been

[1:40:50] Voice 5: LTCs that have been amended.

[1:40:52] Voice 5: So,

[1:40:54] yeah, I mean, our recommendation at this point is

[1:40:56] that you adopt it wholeheartedly

[1:40:58] and then, yes, if you want

[1:41:00] to work on it tomorrow and end up later on,

[1:41:02] keep

[1:41:03] Voice 5: that on your progress list.

[1:41:04] Voice 5: That's why we've got it there.

[1:41:06] Voice 5: But at least now you have something

[1:41:08] Voice 5: in place that's an enhancement.

[1:41:10] Voice 5: You know, right now,

[1:41:11] Voice 5: Now, all that's in place is the federal process.

[1:41:17] Voice 5: And there are engagement requirements around that.

[1:41:20] Voice 5: You know, any cell tower, any computer that's passed on from a federal perspective.

[1:41:28] Voice 5: The model enhances that.

[1:41:31] Voice 5: It adds some public engagement related to those for any LTC that adopts it.

[1:41:40] Voice 8: so let me ask a different question then so we could make that motion right now to adopt the

[1:41:46] Voice 8: model yes yes

[1:41:48] Voice 4: we wouldn't have to talk about it correct let's do that and do you want the

[1:41:53] Voice 4: standing resolution we may as well go with the stand

[1:41:55] Voice 8: yeah so there's some other

[1:41:57] Voice 8: concerns that

[1:41:58] Voice 8: let's get it on the table let's get it done and if we want to amend it we can't yes we're covered

[1:42:05] Voice 8: we're covered hopefully i think that's important yes that's right

[1:42:08] Voice 8: because there will be another

[1:42:09] Voice 8: proposal yes there's

[1:42:11] Voice 8: no doubt i

[1:42:12] Voice 4: don't know i haven't heard about that all right so it

[1:42:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): doesn't

[1:42:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): matter what order we do this in so we can just do the endorsement resolution okay so just either

[1:42:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): whether you want to do the motion on page 24

[1:42:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the agenda package.

[1:42:42] Voice 7: On the same, so the two of them?

[1:42:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Number one can be held up,

[1:42:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): because you made requests to have some changes.

[1:42:53] Voice 7: Yeah, right, so number two.

[1:42:54] Voice 7: Sorry, I moved that we design a local trust committee

[1:42:57] Voice 7: to adopt the honest trust model for our G4

[1:43:01] Voice 7: and tenants assistance.

[1:43:04] Second?

[1:43:05] Voice 4: Second.

[1:43:05] Voice 4: by just any discussion all about them all those in favor all right that's carried now i did not

[1:43:13] send um that to

[1:43:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): the minute taker we did you did all right so um do i need to read that again or

[1:43:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): can i um do

[1:43:25] Voice 5: you want do you want to forward it to the trustees just sort of like

[1:43:30] Voice 5: yeah

[1:43:30] Voice 8: why don't you copy paste that in your email i

[1:43:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't i don't have i'm not connected to the

[1:43:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): wi-fi

[1:43:42] actually there's no password there you go here's a printed copy

[1:43:47] Voice 8: um

[1:43:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): I move that

[1:44:08] Voice 8: the local trust committee adopt the following standing resolution with respect

[1:44:13] Voice 8: to First Nations consultation in accordance with the strategy for tenant and tenant systems

[1:44:18] Voice 8: in the local trust area.

[1:44:21] Voice 8: A, the proponent will consult with the local trust area

[1:44:25] Voice 8: representative during the pre-consultation phase

[1:44:27] Voice 8: to determine proximity of the proposed antenna system

[1:44:30] Voice 8: to known archeological sites

[1:44:32] Voice 8: and or areas of archeological potential

[1:44:34] Voice 8: and obtain a list of First Nations rights and titles.

[1:44:39] Voice 8: B, the proponent is recommended to undertake consultation

[1:44:42] Voice 8: during the pre-consultation phase

[1:44:44] Voice 8: to the Alex Trust and First Nations cultural knowledge holder

[1:44:47] Voice 8: for the siting of the proposed antenna system

[1:44:49] Voice 8: system as it relates to cultural and sacred sites see the proponent will obtain and provide

[1:44:56] Voice 8: a bc archaeological information request response from the vc archaeological branch to confirm

[1:45:03] Voice 8: proximity of the proposed antenna system to known archaeological sites and or areas of

[1:45:09] Voice 8: archaeological potential permit requirements under the heritage conservation act the proponent

[1:45:18] Voice 8: will obtain and provide archaeological impact assessment for antenna systems proposed to be

[1:45:22] Voice 8: cited on or within 100 meters of known archaeological sites or cultural sacred site

[1:45:29] Voice 8: identified by a first nation cultural knowledge holder and the proponent will provide written

[1:45:36] Voice 8: notice including if applicable the archaeological impact assessment sent by regular mail or hand

[1:45:43] Voice 8: delivered to offers nation rights and title holds identified during the pre-consultation phase

[1:45:50] Voice 4: is there a second second by trustee fenton any discussion this

[1:45:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): was forwarded to the regional

[1:46:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): planning committee to consider making some changes standard changes to the yeah you

[1:46:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): know i have some

[1:46:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): thoughts

[1:46:09] Voice 8: and i have learned a few interesting things recently with respect to itsd and

[1:46:17] Voice 8: and a database that they use for archaeological sites

[1:46:23] and we don't mention itsd in this but they are required to work with itsd in any antenna

[1:46:31] sighting proposal so um i'm satisfied to just uh i support this and uh it's a good status quo

[1:46:40] Voice 8: place to be but it may be that it has to evolve over time so okay any further discussion

[1:46:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): nope all those in favor carry

[1:47:02] Voice 8: thank

[1:47:03] Voice 4: you all

[1:47:06] Voice 8: right so what about the the next motion then um which is to

[1:47:14] Voice 8: endorse the top artist list as presented or the alternative which would be to make our own

[1:47:20] Voice 8: new list of items.

[1:47:23] Voice 4: And quite honestly,

[1:47:24] Voice 8: I don't want the word repairing on that list.

[1:47:27] Voice 5: That's fine.

[1:47:28] Voice 5: I think you want to take it off.

[1:47:30] Voice 5: I think you're making a recommendation to the new

[1:47:32] Voice 5: trustees and

[1:47:34] Voice 5: hopefully it'll be off of their bite.

[1:47:36] Voice 5: But anyway, yeah, that's fine.

[1:47:38] Voice 8: So we haven't sort of come to some

[1:47:40] Voice 8: agreement at this point.

[1:47:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, I think that she

[1:47:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): took some notes and you'll see it again.

[1:47:48] Voice 8: So I don't need to do anything.

[1:47:50] Voice 5: No, I mean,

[1:47:51] Voice 5: uh no you don't need to do anything so i

[1:47:54] Voice 8: just want to double check with you then is that i thought

[1:47:57] Voice 8: that soil deposit removal um with respect to composting is one of the things the uh

[1:48:07] Voice 8: options for protection of dunceman island

[1:48:12] Voice 8: um and then you know somewhere in there is ocp amendments housing strategy

[1:48:20] Voice 8: um and what you said

[1:48:24] Voice 4: about tracking yeah so maybe that as a project it would be options for ocp

[1:48:35] Voice 8: amendments and then we could focus on a list of say five things

[1:48:39] Voice 4: that

[1:48:41] Voice 8: we could do with ocp that

[1:48:42] Voice 8: the new trustees could do an ocp amendment that might actually be achievable in a short period of

[1:48:48] Voice 8: time yeah okay so that's fine

[1:48:52] Voice 8: protection in the artists don't happen well i think that would be

[1:48:57] Voice 8: part of an ocp amendment i think that was what the direction the advice was is to embrace that

[1:49:03] Voice 8: in an ocp amendment yeah

[1:49:05] Voice 5: um we'd sort of assumed that if you but that's

[1:49:09] Voice 8: where that's where we'd

[1:49:10] Voice 8: get chuckled

[1:49:10] Voice 5: but of course the

[1:49:13] Voice 8: unsaid thing now right is that when you make that ocp amendment

[1:49:17] Voice 8: And that shoreline protection is the ideal one to talk about.

[1:49:21] Voice 8: You're obligated to do the LTV, which

[1:49:23] Voice 4: would be set back to the city, whatever else you decide.

[1:49:27] Voice 5: Which is why we have a topic area that is OCD, LTV, and why I think more and more we're getting combination projects.

[1:49:38] Voice 5: It's not just an OCD project.

[1:49:40] Voice 5: It's an OCD.

[1:49:41] Voice 7: They

[1:49:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): have to be.

[1:49:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's

[1:49:43] Voice 8: always been resources.

[1:49:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): My point is, you shouldn't then do the, if you don't have the resources to also do the LUB at the same time, then you end up like Salt Spring, we have an OCP and we never, we have never updated the LUB.

[1:50:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well,

[1:50:01] Voice 5: the argument on Gambier has been the reason that they have added the LAP is because you're really just talking about a topic area once and you're doing a public engagement for that once.

[1:50:15] Voice 5: As opposed to doing the OCPA and then two years later, the same

[1:50:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): set of public engagement.

[1:50:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): Exactly.

[1:50:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Because to the public, for the most part, they're interested in how does it affect me.

[1:50:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes.

[1:50:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's right.

[1:50:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's right.

[1:50:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): So the visionary thing is easy to have a conversation, relatively easy, but then it doesn't affect me.

[1:50:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we can come

[1:50:38] Voice 5: back with lists that will reflect that.

[1:50:43] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:50:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): So moving on then, there's that item under the new business that you added, Christy.

[1:50:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes,

[1:50:53] Voice 8: I'm just trying to pull it up.

[1:50:54] Voice 8: I didn't send you a note this morning.

[1:50:56] Voice 8: I apologize for the waitness of it.

[1:51:01] Voice 8: which I did try to do something on that

[1:51:05] Voice 8: and reaching out to the Valdez Island folks

[1:51:07] Voice 8: there to find out what they knew had changed.

[1:51:10] Voice 8: And it turns out that the Ministry of Flunro once again

[1:51:17] Voice 8: has committed to cleaning up that site

[1:51:23] Voice 8: with a bid, expects to solicit bids

[1:51:28] Voice 8: on the cleanup of this lot in june 2022 so this is an ideal situation just to indicate that the

[1:51:37] Voice 8: local trust committee's interest in this and um so i would like to make a motion that the island

[1:51:44] Voice 8: uh that the fetus on local trust committee asked the chair to write a letter to uh flinro uh

[1:51:55] Voice 8: regarding the cleanup of Valdez Island lot

[1:52:00] Voice 8: referred to as file 0-2-5-3-3-1-4.

[1:52:08] Voice 8: And I think at this juncture,

[1:52:12] Voice 8: that's as much pressure as we need to put.

[1:52:14] Voice 8: They made a commitment

[1:52:15] Voice 8: and we want to know when they're going to fulfill it.

[1:52:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): So that's, we just sent a letter,

[1:52:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): did we not?

[1:52:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Just recently.

[1:52:24] Voice 4: No.

[1:52:25] Voice 4: On the buildings, finally.

[1:52:29] Voice 4: i

[1:52:30] Voice 8: don't i don't believe it's been on the burner and i have been negligent in doing anything about

[1:52:36] Voice 8: it and um i followed up with uh with um um ms uh dejon westman um recently about a month ago now

[1:52:50] Voice 8: and um i've got a response back from them just in the last 24 hours and that the province has

[1:52:59] Voice 8: made a commitment to clean it up because i

[1:53:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a letter dated june 7th from mike he did write

[1:53:06] he did the letter making the request oh

[1:53:10] Voice 8: did that one go out did it go out it came by a claire i

[1:53:13] Voice 8: think well anyway nonetheless i think it doesn't hurt to send another letter because they've made

[1:53:21] Voice 8: a new commitment which we didn't know about in

[1:53:23] Voice 4: this letter i just

[1:53:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't know it'd be nice to

[1:53:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): know did the letter go out i

[1:53:32] Voice 4: guess right question number one

[1:53:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): right um and

[1:53:37] Voice 8: that was under your

[1:53:38] Voice 8: signature it

[1:53:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): would have been under my signature i just don't um well

[1:53:43] Voice 8: one way or the other i think

[1:53:46] Voice 5: you can pass the motion then we can sort it out i mean if we need another letter well

[1:53:51] Voice 8: can you just

[1:53:52] Voice 8: take that motion and sort of yes

[1:53:55] Voice 4: yeah

[1:53:56] Voice 8: but i think it would be opportune now to put the pressure on

[1:54:03] Voice 8: to make sure they follow because this is the trouble that they never follow through with

[1:54:07] Voice 8: issuing the contract yeah

[1:54:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): no i just had this correspondence with him on the 20th so i don't

[1:54:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[1:54:17] Voice 8: well i guess i don't know if i saw that did it come from claire mike oh my church

[1:54:26] Voice 8: so on what date june um yeah so i don't have it the

[1:54:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): original email came that did not go to you

[1:54:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): on june 8th

[1:54:40] Voice 4: yeah so he

[1:54:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): did refer to a draft that had been prepared by you oh

[1:54:48] Voice 8: yeah okay um

[1:54:53] Voice 8: well there you go my mind is failing but let's just send another letter yes there's

[1:55:00] new information okay so um um

[1:55:03] Voice 8: did the minute take and get that

[1:55:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry what's the mission

[1:55:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): i apologize uh diane did you hear trustee luckham's motion i

[1:55:15] Voice 2: did i just want to confirm

[1:55:16] Voice 2: the number uh but uh that the uh fetus island local trust committee asked the chair to write

[1:55:25] Voice 2: a letter to flan row regarding the cleanup of the valdez island lot referred to as zero two five

[1:55:32] Voice 2: three three one four okay

[1:55:35] Voice 8: let me just double check that for you um zero two five three three one four

[1:55:46] Voice 2: great thank you perfect

[1:55:48] Voice 8: thank you thank you everybody all right

[1:55:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): is there a second to that

[1:55:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): motion by trustee Fenton any discussion I guess the only discussion would be is to follow up on

[1:55:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): what voter was sent but all right all the vote all those in favor and that's carried okay and so the

[1:56:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): next item is we have the trust conservancy report and seeing that trustee Fenton is on the trust

[1:56:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): conservancy is there anything from that report that you wish to bring to our attention or

[1:56:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): I

[1:56:22] Voice 7: encourage people to go to their new newsletter on a regular basis. It's now a very concise, impactful document worth keeping in touch with.

[1:56:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): Excellent. Okay, you've got the applications report here, and it's entirely too thin.

[1:56:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): in, your expense report from May is here, and then your standing resolutions, which

[1:56:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): we just added one, and then the top priorities list on page 41, which we just made some changes

[1:57:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): or we'll see it back again, same as the projects list.

[1:57:05] So with that, we have

[1:57:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): no further business, and our next meeting will be August 30th.

[1:57:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): seems like a long ways away but it'll come in the back of an eye yes i did want to ask if that

[1:57:22] meaning um if you'd like

[1:57:24] Voice 4: that to be electronic or if that's an option given summer schedules and

[1:57:32] Voice 4: um august 30th i think

[1:57:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): it might be a good idea to make it uh electronically because

[1:57:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's when the fairies are likely quite busy and travel is busy

[1:57:45] Voice 4: for everybody trustees

[1:57:51] Voice 4: Oh, that's July. I'm not in the wrong month.

[1:57:54] Voice 4: Yeah, it's a Tuesday.

[1:58:00] Voice 8: Yeah, sure.

[1:58:01] Voice 8: It saves a lot of travel.

[1:58:04] Voice 8: Do we need a motion?

[1:58:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes.

[1:58:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we would need a motion to move.

[1:58:11] Voice 8: So I move that the Theta Sound Local Trust Committee meeting scheduled for August the 30th be electronic.

[1:58:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there a second?

[1:58:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustee Fenton?

[1:58:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there any discussion?

[1:58:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): No.

[1:58:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): call the vote all those in favor electronic meeting on august 30th thank you for asking

[1:58:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): and if that if we have no further business then i need a motion to adjourn

[1:58:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): second all those in favor we are adjourned thank you everyone

[1:58:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): and we'll see you in a virtual meeting on august all

[1:58:52] Voice 4: right so when is our hearing when is the

[1:58:57] Voice 7: um so you've just missed it unless it's like which i've seen a lot

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Thetis Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
July 5, 2022 
Thetis Island Community Centre (Forbes Hall) 
North Cove Road, Thetis Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair 
 Doug Fenton, Local Trustee 
 Peter Luckham, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Marlis McCargar, Island Planner 
 Diane Corbett, Recorder 
  
Others Present: Lynne Smith, Electoral Area G Director, Cowichan Valley Regional District 
2 Members of the Public 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change." 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 9:37 am. She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
Chair Patrick introduced Trustees, the Electoral Area Director and staff, and announced the 
meeting was being livestreamed and recorded, and would be posted to the website within a few 
days. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
12.1 Crown lot on Valdez Island 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. RISE AND REPORT 
Chair Patrick referred to the Rise and Report from the last meeting minutes announcing 
appointees to the Thetis Island Advisory Planning Commission: Mary Forbes, Pat Mooney, Anne-
Marie Koeppen, Lynda Poirier, Bill Dickie and Guy Champagne. 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Fenton presented the following report: 

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 Expressed appreciation for living in the traditional territories of the Lyackson and 
Penelakut; 
 Involvement on the Trust Programs Committee, which has been working on the 
Policy Statement. There will be further workshops on that document; 
 Participation at the Thetis Island Nature Conservancy celebration of its tenth 
anniversary; 
 Upcoming meetings: Islands Trust Conservancy meeting within the next week, 
where Trustee Fenton sits as a board member; fundraiser for phase two with the 
Thetis Island Nature Conservancy Nature Stewards Program; ACT (Anchorage 
Concerns Thetis), local anchorage issues forum, trying to find way to get Transport 
Canada and other agencies to the table to discuss anchorage impacts and look at 
strategies going forward;  
 Involvement with Thetis Island Ratepayers and Residents Association looking to 
explore what the Province can offer regarding active transportation network 
planning and grant opportunities. 
Trustee Luckham presented the following report: 
 Expressed gratitude to be on the Lyackson and Penelakut territory by the Salish Sea, 
and encouraged people to take the opportunities to learn more of its history; 
 Attendance at meetings with Rob Fleming, Minister of Transportation and 
Infrastructure, and Nathan Cullen, Minister Responsible for Islands Trust; discussion 
about a number of issues regarding Policy Statement amendments, Islands Trust 
mandate, and funding; 
 Attendance as Chair of some Local Trust Committee meetings on Salt Spring Island 
and Local Trust Committee on South Pender Island. The latter LTC is advancing some 
bylaws and were going to go to public hearing, but here was a Covid outbreak on 
the island one week ago, with 100 cases, and the public hearing was postponed; 
 Attendance at southern group islands forum meeting hosted by Adam Olson, where 
there was discussion regarding transportation, housing, & anchorages; 
 Attendance at Trust Council last month, where Vancouver Port Authority gave an 
update on their strategy to improve the timeliness, effectiveness and efficiency of 
the port; trustee noted there seems to be a disconnect regarding protecting the 
environment and the impact those vessels have on marine ways. Discussion of 
alternate proposal in Tsawwassen from new competitor to Port Authority: rather 
than build an island, expand current area to reduce overall environmental impact. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Patrick presented the following report: 
 Attendance at Trust Council a few weeks ago, where a few important decisions were 
made: decision to create a standing governance committee that was populated with 
seven elected officials, including Chair Patrick, that would be meeting in near future 
to set up the committee for success and address immediate issues; and voted to 
request the Province to do a review of the Islands Trust structure and governance. It 
was noted this is a good opportunity for attention to planning and consideration of 
climate change, growth, and embracing what it means for reconciliation and DRIPA.  
 BC Ferries (BCF) board met on Salt Spring Island a few weeks ago. Chair Patrick was 
invited to join. BCF committed to having more meetings amongst the islands. They 

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did an evening event where they invited islanders to meet the executive and board 
and to talk about challenges to the islands. There was agreement on the importance 
of Islands Trust working with BC Ferries on community planning. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Electoral Area G Director Lynne Smith expressed thanks for the invitation to this 
meeting, and noted her appreciation to be on Coastal Salish territories and for meeting 
with everyone today. Director Smith announced that she had sent in her report. The 
Director noted the CVRD has three main items for Thetis Island: regional recreation, the 
wharf and connectivity with Thetis Island. She invited questions on the report at this 
time or at any time. 
There were no questions on the report. 
Director Smith left the meeting at 10:00 am. 
5. TOWN HALL 
Chair Patrick announced there was one member of the public in the audience, and welcomed 
questions or comments. 
The member of the public inquired about the make-up of the next Council and the challenges 
they would be facing. 
Discussion ensued on Islands Trust structure; challenges in working together and making 
changes; upcoming elections; moving forward in the current structure and within a context of 
First Nations and changing use and context of language; Islands Trust as an agency of the 
Province and under its umbrella; making changes within Islands Trust; significant amount of 
community engagement over the past three years on the Policy Statement; importance of 
keeping this place special. 
The member of the public inquired about what were major challenges for the new Council, in 
response to which the following ongoing challenges were noted: financial; Policy Statement 
review; how to embrace the necessity for affordable equitable housing. 
Discussion ensued on: planning for housing; housing projects; community involvement in 
leading projects; the power of Council to zone land and work in tandem with organizations to 
enable affordable housing projects; sustainability of how we live; co-housing; tiny homes. 
Points from discussion included: 
 The member of the public was urged to raise issues with local trustees and with societies in 
the island who have the capacity to take on housing projects, and to link up with other 
individuals on the island with an interest in housing and to come to a common vision. 
Creating a vision is a lot of work and needs a lot of support.  
 There is no Crown or public land on Thetis. Land would have to be acquired from an 
individual; ideally it would to be a willing volunteer who comes to Council.  
 It starts with a conversation, and analysis of what is allowed. It could start with a community 
information meeting to gather ideas. There are other islands more advanced, and all kinds 
of solutions. There is a need to share information and learn stories of what is working 
elsewhere.  

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A second member of the public arrived at the meeting and expressed support for co-housing or 
a lease system where costs were more affordable, and wondered if there could be a community 
forum on housing. 
Trustees expressed support for community conversations on housing. It was suggested the LTC 
could host something. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated May 3, 2022 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of May 3, 2022 were 
adopted. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting – none  
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none  
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List dated June 27, 2022 
Received. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 TH-SUB-1998.1 (Trax Developments Ltd-Ralston) 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer gave an overview of the staff report regarding an 
application requesting a waiver of the 10% lot frontage requirement of the Land Use 
Bylaw for two of five proposed strata lots in phase four of a proposed subdivision layout 
plan.  Regional Planning Manager Kauer reported on staff support for the application. 
The applicant spoke to the application. 
Trustees offered comment that included: 
 15m is more than adequate frontage to meet the legislative requirement of MOTI 
and Islands Trust; 
 The applicant has been successful in creating a strata subdivision that has provided 
an opportunity for a form of affordable housing on the island; 
 This was controversial at the beginning. The way it has evolved, the impacts are 
being managed; 
 There is a significant amount of common land and waterway; 
 We are in a better place now; glad to see this coming to completion. There will be a 
new development that will provide an opportunity for small homes.  
TH-2022-022 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that, as per Local Government Act Section 512(2), the Thetis Island Local Trust 
Committee exempt “Proposed Strata Lot 17” and “Proposed Strata Lot 18” in the Phase 
4 subdivision layout plan for TH- SUB-1998.1 from meeting Thetis Island Land Use Bylaw 
regulation 2.6.7, the minimum 10% lot frontage requirement.  
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Responding to an inquiry by the Regional Planning Manager, Trustee Luckham indicated 
he would be available to be the signatory on the covenant on the subdivision. 
The members of the public left the meeting at 10:34 am. 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
9.1 Projects List – Staff Report 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer discussed the staff report regarding project 
recommendations for the incoming Local Trust Committee; the report offered staff 
feedback and prioritization on items on the Top Priority List and the Projects List. 
In discussion, the following comments and questions were noted: 
 There was a question about the Riparian Areas Protection Regulation bylaws and 
whether they had been adopted. The Regional Planning Manager explained the First 
Nations referral did not include the current list; since the referral, some First 
Nations had extended boundaries. The Ministry had recommended that Islands 
Trust re-refer. This had been done and there had been no comment from First 
Nations. The bylaws had now gone back to the Ministry; 
 Agreement with categorizing items. The Projects List is often a storage place to keep 
track of things; 
 Bute and Dunsmuir Islands: Those islands are at risk of development that is not 
necessarily aligned with the Islands Trust mandate and may or may not be aligned 
with First Nations interests. Those islands currently are not protected by a modern 
OCP or LUB. The intention was to embrace all the small islands; 
 Support for adoption of antenna bylaw; 
 Some older items could be removed. Some items are outside Islands Trust 
jurisdiction and should be removed; 
 Suggest top of Priorities List: Soil removal bylaw, antennas, affordable housing, 
Dunsmuir and Bute islands; 
 The list of what the LTC sets as being important is an opportunity to get attention of 
the regional planning committee and do collaborative projects; 
 Shoreline protection could include several items; 
 Sensitive ecosystems education and engagement – could this not be part of a 
collaborative effort? 
 Planning for community engagement with First Nations: suggest put aside, and 
assume this will always be followed. We have our declaration. Have this as a 
framework to reflect on; 
 Need to revise the opening remarks of the OCP to embrace those principles of First 
Nations engagement. And from that moment on, in everything trustees and staff do, 
check the OCP to see if in alignment. This should be fairly high up on the list; 
 The OCP is alive, and full of aspirations.... But did it get realized? How do we know 
what’s happening? Is that a project, or is it something that needs to be built in more 
to the structure of what we do, with indicators of what is happening – such as sizes 
of houses being built, development potential, things that tell a story that feeds into 
decisions. Is that a project that has to be done? How do we make that happen? (The 
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 Measurements of success are touch points for communications; 
 Another category: regional or cooperative planning opportunities.  
 How can we be more nimble as an organization? We have limited surplus resources 
to be nimble. Idea of embracing measurements in the OCP is a brilliant idea; 
 Need for information to be flowing across the Local Trust Committees; 
 Vulnerability of islands in terms of development densities; 
 Provide options for protection of Dunsmuir Island; 
 Composting, OCP amendments, housing strategy, tracking. 
The Regional Planning Manager will revamp the lists to reflect discussion at this meeting 
and bring back to the next meeting. 
Chair Patrick read aloud a standing resolution from Salt Spring Island regarding antenna 
systems and First Nations consultation. Discussion ensued. 
TH-LTC-023 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee adopt the Islands Trust Model Strategy for 
Antenna Systems. 
CARRIED 
TH-LTC-024 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee adopt the following standing resolution 
with respect to First Nations consultation in accordance with the “Strategy for Antenna 
Systems” in the Local Trust Area: 
a. The proponent will consult with the Local Trust Area representative during the pre-
consultation phase to determine proximity of the proposed antenna system to 
known archaeological sites and/or areas of archaeological potential and obtain a list 
of First Nations rights and title holders;  
b. The proponent is recommended to undertake consultation during the pre-
consultation phase with the Islands Trust and a First Nations cultural knowledge 
holder for the siting of the proposed antenna system as it relates to cultural and 
sacred sites;  
c. The proponent will obtain and provide a BC Archaeological Information request 
response from the BC Archaeology Branch to confirm proximity of the proposed 
antenna system to known archaeological sites and/or areas of archaeological 
potential including permit requirements under the Heritage Conservation Act;  
d. The proponent will obtain and provide an Archeological Impact Assessment for 
antenna systems proposed to be sited on or within 100 metres of a known 
archaeological site or cultural/sacred site identified by a First Nations cultural 
knowledge holder; and  
e. The proponent will provide written notice—including, if applicable, the 
Archeological Impact Assessment—sent by regular mail or hand delivered to all First 
Nations rights and titleholders identified during the pre-consultation phase.  
CARRIED 

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10. DELEGATIONS – none  
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Crown Lot on Valdez Island 
Trustee Luckham reported that the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource 
Operations and Rural Development had committed to cleaning up a Crown land site on 
Valdez Island and was soliciting bids for clean up locked to June 2022. Discussion 
ensued. 
TH-LTC-025 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee ask the Chair to write a letter to the 
Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development 
regarding the clean up of the Valdez Island lot referred to as File 0253314.  
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated May, 2022 
Received. 
13.2 Applications Report dated June 27, 2022 
Received. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated May, 2022 
Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
A Standing Resolution was added under agenda item 9.1. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage – none  
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated June 27, 2022 
Received. 
14.2 Projects List Report dated June 27, 2022 
Received. 

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15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 9:30 am at Thetis 
Island Community Centre (Forbes Hall), North Cove Road, Thetis Island, BC 
TH-LTC-026 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee meeting scheduled for August 30 be 
electronic. 
CARRIED 
16. CLOSED MEETING – none  
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 11:40 am. 
 
 
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Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Diane Corbett, Recorder