Hornby Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, May 6, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 12: All right.

[0:00:01] Voice 12: There you go. There we go.

[0:00:02] Trustee Fast (probable): I just want to make sure that it's recording. Yep. So welcome, everybody. And we're going to begin our Hornby Island meeting. I'm just going to pull up my notes here to make sure I don't miss anything.

[0:00:16] Trustee Fast (probable): thing so um this is the meeting of may 2022 for the recording of the hornby local trust committee

[0:00:24] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh thanks everybody for joining us um i want to begin by acknowledging that we're meeting on

[0:00:30] Trustee Fast (probable): the coast salish territory specifically uh locally of the um comox people and uh i want to respect

[0:00:40] Trustee Fast (probable): that during our meeting. I'm Sue Ellen Fast. I'm elected on Newt Gwalachon or Gwalachon

[0:00:48] Trustee Fast (probable): which is also Bowen Island and I'm chair of the Hornby Local Trust Committee and

[0:00:53] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm joined today by Hornby Island Local Trustees Greg Scott and Alex Allen. So

[0:00:59] Trustee Fast (probable): these are your elected trustees. Together we make up the Hornby Local Trust

[0:01:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Committee. Haven't heard from Director Arbour. He may join us but probably he

[0:01:08] Trustee Fast (probable): He lets us know when he can.

[0:01:10] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got some staff members with us today.

[0:01:15] Trustee Fast (probable): This is Regional Planning Manager and Island Planner,

[0:01:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Heather Cowher, so she's going to be staffed today

[0:01:23] Trustee Fast (probable): and we've got another staff person on the line.

[0:01:25] Trustee Fast (probable): So that's Catherine Vogt

[0:01:27] Trustee Fast (probable): and she is gonna be taking the minutes

[0:01:29] Trustee Fast (probable): because this is an official business meeting

[0:01:31] Trustee Fast (probable): of the Islands Trust.

[0:01:33] Trustee Fast (probable): We're running the community business here

[0:01:35] Trustee Fast (probable): to do with our conservation organization,

[0:01:37] Trustee Fast (probable): the Islands Trust so I just wanted to say the meetings being recorded as I

[0:01:44] Trustee Fast (probable): just mentioned and so for people who can't attend today or if anybody wants

[0:01:49] Trustee Fast (probable): to review anything it's going to be recording video recording will be posted

[0:01:53] Trustee Fast (probable): on the Islands Trust website and available in the next few days and when

[0:01:59] Trustee Fast (probable): we get to the public participation part of the meeting aka Town Hall if you want

[0:02:06] Trustee Fast (probable): make public comments then i'll ask you to put your hand up at that time and um we've got uh

[0:02:14] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah just wanted to add this is a place of employment um so we want to run a safe

[0:02:20] Trustee Fast (probable): respectful meeting place this is one of these uh participatory democracy meetings that we have in

[0:02:27] Trustee Fast (probable): canada especially at the local government level where you've got your elected representatives

[0:02:31] Trustee Fast (probable): we've got the expertise of stats and we've got the public input that you guys are bringing to

[0:02:37] Trustee Fast (probable): the meeting which is terrific and and the volunteering hours that some of you have been

[0:02:42] Trustee Fast (probable): putting in so we just have some meeting decorum rules i'm not going to bring them out but just

[0:02:49] Trustee Fast (probable): everybody's voice is welcome here and i'd like us all if you could help me run a good respectful

[0:02:55] Trustee Fast (probable): community meeting that would be terrific in the spirit of reconciliation okay so i'll just put

[0:03:02] Trustee Fast (probable): that there i also have some guidelines for public participation if you want to know when to speak

[0:03:06] Trustee Fast (probable): or how long you can speak for and that kind of thing how to write a letter it's all here and i

[0:03:11] Trustee Fast (probable): wanted to point out that i've got a copy one copy of the harem which is the newsletter of the islands

[0:03:17] Trustee Fast (probable): trust conservancy that i'm also the vice chair of and i've just put it here wrote my name on it

[0:03:21] Trustee Fast (probable): because i don't have one copy but you're welcome to look at that um okay so now i'm going to call

[0:03:29] Trustee Fast (probable): uh the meeting to order and i'm going to ask for while i bring up my agenda here

[0:03:38] Trustee Fast (probable): um things to add to the agenda i think we've got an addenda does that go under uh applications

[0:03:47] Voice 7: it's an application yeah so if you go there 8.5 uh i think nine oh yeah

[0:03:55] Trustee Fast (probable): okay nine point two okay

[0:03:59] Trustee Fast (probable): so that's our addendum to do with the uh hornby island resort slash that okay a

[0:04:06] Voice 1: discussion about

[0:04:07] Voice 1: about the $15,000 that one got.

[0:04:12] Trustee Fast (probable): The budget for the OCT targeted review?

[0:04:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, now where would that go?

[0:04:17] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm thinking maybe 9.3?

[0:04:20] Trustee Fast (probable): No, it's not an application.

[0:04:22] Voice 7: Maybe 10.4 is what I was thinking of.

[0:04:25] Voice 7: Oh

[0:04:25] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah, local trust committee projects.

[0:04:36] Voice 9: Okay, anything

[0:04:39] Trustee Fast (probable): else?

[0:04:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Then can I have a motion to approve the agenda?

[0:04:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you Grant, do I have a seconder?

[0:04:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Alex. All those in favor? Thank you. That agenda is approved.

[0:04:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Now we've got a rise and report section on the agenda.

[0:04:55] Trustee Fast (probable): And this is where I wanted to report on what your local trust committee passed in a closed meeting back on November 26th, 2021.

[0:05:09] Trustee Fast (probable): So we had a closed meeting and I'm actually going to rise to report.

[0:05:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Never get to do this.

[0:05:14] Trustee Fast (probable): It was requested by the Senior Policy Advisor, Wilcox, that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee support the Comox First Nation Cultural Heritage Policy with the following motion.

[0:05:25] Trustee Fast (probable): It's a long one.

[0:05:26] Trustee Fast (probable): That the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to develop an internal policy for approval consideration by the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee that

[0:05:35] Trustee Fast (probable): initiates an internal information sharing process with the Comox First Nation so they may consider citing and use permit applications with the nation.

[0:05:44] Trustee Fast (probable): requires on receipt of a complete citing and use permit application

[0:05:48] Trustee Fast (probable): that staff forward to the Comox First Nation within 20 days

[0:05:51] Trustee Fast (probable): a copy of the citing and use permit application

[0:05:53] Trustee Fast (probable): with personal information redacted for Comox First Nation review,

[0:05:58] Trustee Fast (probable): requires any feedback from Comox First Nation be provided

[0:06:01] Trustee Fast (probable): in writing later than 60 days after the date

[0:06:04] Trustee Fast (probable): the citing and use permit application was sent to the Comox First Nation,

[0:06:07] Trustee Fast (probable): and states that despite this information sharing process,

[0:06:11] Trustee Fast (probable): the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee remains a decision maker

[0:06:14] Trustee Fast (probable): here, and we'll process siting and use applications as per the Islands Trust Act, its policies,

[0:06:18] Trustee Fast (probable): procedures, and by-law requirements, and that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee rise

[0:06:24] Trustee Fast (probable): and report an open meeting on its decision on sharing of siting and use permits with

[0:06:29] Trustee Fast (probable): the Comox First Nation.

[0:06:30] Trustee Fast (probable): So that's what I've done.

[0:06:31] Trustee Fast (probable): So just to let you know about that level of cooperation and reconciliation that the Hornby

[0:06:38] Trustee Fast (probable): Island Local Trust Committee passed.

[0:06:39] Trustee Fast (probable): So that's all I have to rise and report, except that also at that meeting, I think we may have adopted minutes.

[0:06:53] Trustee Fast (probable): If I have to do that later, I'll do that.

[0:06:59] Trustee Fast (probable): And trustee reports. So Alex and Grant, who would like to start this time and tell us about what you've been busy with since our previous meeting, which was February the 18th?

[0:07:12] Voice 1: Alex is my superior in this.

[0:07:14] Voice 1: He was elected first.

[0:07:16] Voice 4: Go ahead, Alex.

[0:07:17] Voice 4: Do you know that when you're called AA, you're almost first from day one?

[0:07:21] Voice 4: So you want me to go first?

[0:07:22] Voice 4: Is that what you said?

[0:07:23] Voice 4: I thought

[0:07:23] Trustee Fast (probable): you wanted to be up here by two.

[0:07:25] Voice 1: Just say it.

[0:07:26] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:07:27] Voice 1: So I have three things to report.

[0:07:29] Voice 1: First of all, the last trust council meeting was interesting, painful, and it dealt with three issues.

[0:07:40] Voice 1: And a lot of it's come out. You've got it through emails. It's been sent out. Paper copies. It's on three main issues. One is it was a management review done of the trust as a whole, and it was condemning as a bit heavy, but it said there's a lot of issues that the trust should look at on our prestige forum.

[0:08:00] Voice 1: the second thing is there's a policy review going on and that's been strongly criticized

[0:08:04] Voice 1: for a bunch of different reasons so that's been carefully looked at it's gone back to

[0:08:09] Voice 1: the drawing boards and i think the fundamental question is um there's preserve and protect

[0:08:16] Voice 1: then there's the community issues that of course affect that and how how far down the road does

[0:08:22] Voice 1: the trust go in some of these like water for example do we have to take over the water

[0:08:28] Voice 1: of management branching you know so there's a forestry how far do we have to go in forestry

[0:08:33] Voice 1: so all these questions are are coming out in this policy review and it's very interesting

[0:08:38] Voice 1: and people are taking it very seriously some people are saying it's getting way too restrictive

[0:08:42] Voice 1: uh so anyway so that that's going on right now the last budget review kind of touched on some

[0:08:48] Voice 1: of these other things but it was also very interesting about just how the budget's been

[0:08:52] Voice 1: going up there was a survey when i went around the budget and it generally said to hold it even

[0:08:56] Voice 1: and then so that that was so those three things really came out of the trust council meeting and

[0:09:02] Voice 1: that's there's a meeting coming up what is it it's in june

[0:09:06] Voice 1: june there was another meeting and then

[0:09:07] Voice 1: the elections there'll be another meeting in the fall and then the elections are in november and

[0:09:13] Voice 1: it's going to become an election issue for sure there's it's going to be people on all sides of

[0:09:18] Voice 1: that guaranteed it's going to be a very interesting election so the second thing i want to report on

[0:09:22] Voice 1: Karen and I and David Cushley are going down to Victoria on the 11th of May to meet with two cabinet ministers, Josie Osborne, what's the Minister of Transport's name?

[0:09:33] Voice 1: Rob Fleming.

[0:09:34] Voice 1: Yeah, Rob Fleming, to meet on the ferry issue.

[0:09:37] Voice 1: The main points, the main one we're pointing out that's interesting getting the most traction with them is the safety issue because what's happening in the summer is one lane going down to the ferry has become an extension to the ferry's parking lot, right?

[0:09:51] Voice 1: there's not enough room down there to put all the cars so that blocks off one lane so in the summer

[0:09:57] Voice 1: it's hot people are out of their cars they're moving around there's kids playing you know

[0:10:01] Voice 1: there's all it's a long way people can't be in their cars in this heat the bathroom facilities

[0:10:07] Voice 1: people walk a lot of people walk all the way down apparently last summer there were so many people

[0:10:12] Voice 1: went in the sewer backed up they couldn't handle the number of people down there so we're going to

[0:10:16] Voice 1: to be pointing all this out to the minister and we used when joseph karen and i met with

[0:10:23] Voice 1: minister osborne who was the mayor of the field and said look it's like your highway down down

[0:10:30] Voice 1: there was blocked for five hours each way on some days can you imagine the impact that would have

[0:10:36] Voice 1: on the people coming to the island and your people getting having to get the facilities medical

[0:10:40] Voice 1: that one really she said at the end that really made it real to me it was interesting wasn't it

[0:10:46] Voice 1: carroll you can talk about all the other stuff that made it real to her so we'll probably say

[0:10:52] Voice 1: that again just just to get through to her but we're going to talk about safety and liability

[0:10:57] Voice 1: because i think the promise is hugely liable if somebody's hurt when the ferry corporation

[0:11:02] Voice 1: is using that lane down there as an extension to the ferry parking lot so we're going to be

[0:11:07] Voice 1: pointing these things out and the solution as we've come to is there's only one they can't

[0:11:12] Voice 1: extent the parking lot there's nowhere down here to put it we simply need a bigger ferry to move

[0:11:16] Voice 1: people on and off the island faster that's that's that's the bottom line and that's the government

[0:11:22] Voice 1: the government has to provide the funding to the ferry corporation for that bigger ferry to deal

[0:11:28] Voice 1: with the issues already so uh then there's the thatch issue but i i think it's going to come

[0:11:34] Voice 1: more later. So those are the things that are rattling around in my world.

[0:11:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, thank you.

[0:11:42] Voice 15: Thank you. Okay. Alex?

[0:11:45] Voice 4: Well, it's a hard act to follow. Let's see. Let's just say I've got allergies. Heads up.

[0:11:51] Voice 4: It's nothing else. What do you think? I've got allergies. Very bad. Yes, the Trust Council

[0:12:00] Voice 4: Council is very interesting. We laughed, we cried, we united, we stand, we fight, we fall.

[0:12:07] Voice 4: As I wrote, if anybody reads any of my reports in the first edition, it is a very divisive group right now at the Trust Council level.

[0:12:15] Voice 4: It's really very interesting seeing that, especially with the return, because it's challenging because we've got some very big issues.

[0:12:24] Voice 4: And if we're not in agreement with some of us, it's just going to be interesting how we're going to proceed with all that.

[0:12:33] Voice 4: Yeah, so the governance review is huge, and I'm one of those on board that I do agree with it,

[0:12:41] Voice 4: having had three terms, seeing how the trust is being operated,

[0:12:45] Voice 4: and just how the communities feel about the trust.

[0:12:50] Voice 4: We are wondering what it's doing and why it exists, et cetera.

[0:12:55] Voice 4: and it's also an exciting time to

[0:12:57] Voice 4: change it and do something new and different

[0:12:59] Voice 4: because we are already a unique

[0:13:01] Voice 4: entity so let's

[0:13:02] Voice 4: keep it that way if we can

[0:13:06] Voice 4: what else

[0:13:08] Voice 4: I'm not going to talk too much

[0:13:10] Voice 4: because as you know

[0:13:11] Voice 4: I was going to report what I missed

[0:13:13] Voice 4: I missed a lot of things for some reason

[0:13:16] Voice 4: just because of life

[0:13:18] Voice 4: getting in the way

[0:13:18] Voice 4: I wanted to see

[0:13:21] Voice 4: the ecosystem

[0:13:22] Voice 4: I didn't even get onto that, which is really unfortunate, but I am going to read all the, look at the, yeah, exactly,

[0:13:30] Voice 4: so I just got onto that, and yeah, I guess nothing much else to report, I'm

[0:13:39] Voice 4: sure there's more, but I'm going to be short,

[0:13:40] Trustee Fast (probable): because it

[0:13:41] Voice 4: could be a long meeting.

[0:13:42] Voice 4: I'm

[0:13:43] Trustee Fast (probable): going to just be brief as well. If you look at 15.1 in your agenda package, page 104, there's a, for those who are following online or whatever, the Trust Council decision highlights, I put them in there.

[0:13:58] Trustee Fast (probable): So that's the meeting that

[0:14:00] Voice 12: both trustees talked

[0:14:01] Trustee Fast (probable): about. I thought that might be helpful. And this whole agenda is online. It's over 100 pages, if you look at the whole thing.

[0:14:11] Trustee Fast (probable): um uh yeah we get up that's on page 104 that's right so um i just wanted to report uh i am active

[0:14:22] Trustee Fast (probable): on the executive committee that's uh the four the three vice chairs and the chair so we're supposed

[0:14:28] Trustee Fast (probable): to implement um what trust council decides and uh and we also um vice chair these these meetings we

[0:14:36] Trustee Fast (probable): We sit as a chair, as the off-island chair on these meetings.

[0:14:40] Trustee Fast (probable): So I was on Gambier, for Gambier Island in Howe Sound.

[0:14:46] Trustee Fast (probable): We met in North Vancouver and in a community center recently.

[0:14:51] Trustee Fast (probable): We, I had Denman on the 22nd.

[0:14:56] Trustee Fast (probable): We met there for a farm meeting.

[0:14:59] Trustee Fast (probable): And then, and before that, we had a special, well, that was then.

[0:15:07] Trustee Fast (probable): 21st, sorry, my mistake.

[0:15:10] Trustee Fast (probable): And I've been in Bowen Island Council meetings where you'll be bored to hear,

[0:15:16] Trustee Fast (probable): but I won't tell you about them except to say that the municipal budget is looking at,

[0:15:21] Trustee Fast (probable): like, will probably be 7.8% increase this year,

[0:15:25] Trustee Fast (probable): just because of all the various costs and the infrastructure breaking down

[0:15:29] Trustee Fast (probable): and that kind of thing, lots of roads.

[0:15:32] Trustee Fast (probable): and then

[0:15:34] Trustee Fast (probable): we had a

[0:15:36] Trustee Fast (probable): what was that? I don't know exactly

[0:15:39] Trustee Fast (probable): okay and

[0:15:41] Trustee Fast (probable): I wanted to mention the

[0:15:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Howe Sound Community Forum which is like your

[0:15:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Bain Sound Forum, had that a couple of weeks

[0:15:48] Trustee Fast (probable): ago and that was very

[0:15:49] Trustee Fast (probable): interesting because

[0:15:52] Trustee Fast (probable): we can see how much change

[0:15:54] Trustee Fast (probable): is happening around the sound

[0:15:55] Trustee Fast (probable): but we're all now united under the

[0:15:58] Trustee Fast (probable): UNESCO Biosphere

[0:15:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Reserve as well so we're starting to think about

[0:16:01] Trustee Fast (probable): how can we work towards even more sustainably uh sustainable future together through the house on

[0:16:09] Trustee Fast (probable): biosphere region and then that's mostly where i'll stop except to say that i went to a couple of uh

[0:16:18] Trustee Fast (probable): workshops uh association of vancouver island and coastal communities uh was a convention um held

[0:16:26] Trustee Fast (probable): held in Victoria on April 1st, 2nd, and 3rd,

[0:16:31] Trustee Fast (probable): and also the Local Government Leadership Academy.

[0:16:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Both of these are gatherings of elected folks

[0:16:38] Trustee Fast (probable): from around different parts of British Columbia,

[0:16:40] Trustee Fast (probable): and all kinds of people are feeling the unrest on social media.

[0:16:46] Trustee Fast (probable): There was lots of information about how communities are,

[0:16:52] Trustee Fast (probable): especially elected officials,

[0:16:54] Trustee Fast (probable): are having difficulties with social media being social.

[0:16:57] Trustee Fast (probable): And also the convoys were more in people's minds at that time

[0:17:02] Trustee Fast (probable): than they had come down from.

[0:17:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Some communities are feeling it even worse.

[0:17:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Anyway, I'll just stop there and say that people are wondering

[0:17:10] Trustee Fast (probable): who's going to be running again

[0:17:11] Trustee Fast (probable): and that the situation all across BC is fraught for elected officials.

[0:17:19] Trustee Fast (probable): But there were lots of solutions, and I came out energized

[0:17:22] Trustee Fast (probable): and with more contacts in the other communities

[0:17:25] Trustee Fast (probable): that have problems similar to Bowen Island, anyway, not necessarily the same as the Trust,

[0:17:31] Trustee Fast (probable): although there was another organization, Squamish, that has been receiving a funded,

[0:17:38] Trustee Fast (probable): coordinated campaign against things that they're doing and some of their leaders.

[0:17:45] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'll just stop there and say no electoral area directors report,

[0:17:51] Trustee Fast (probable): and we'll move into the public comment aka town hall so who would like to make

[0:18:01] Trustee Fast (probable): a comment if you'd like to make a comment okay a couple people are here to

[0:18:05] Trustee Fast (probable): comment I'm just checking our guidelines specific to Hornby here and

[0:18:11] Trustee Fast (probable): inform trustees about topics relevant to our area and we've got ten minutes set

[0:18:18] Trustee Fast (probable): aside for this. So if you could keep your comments short just to make sure we all get

[0:18:25] Trustee Fast (probable): a chance to talk, that would be terrific. And please say your name and your connection

[0:18:29] Trustee Fast (probable): to the island when you start. One, two, three, April. Okay, thank you. So can I start down

[0:18:39] Trustee Fast (probable): this end, please? Go ahead. You don't have to. Just

[0:18:44] Trustee Fast (probable): say who you are

[0:18:45] Voice 17: and your connection

[0:18:45] Voice 17: to the end. Okay, my name is Catherine Roman. I

[0:18:48] Voice 17: am here because I am part of HI-SEEK right now,

[0:18:52] Voice 17: but I have also worked... Can you remind me what HI-SEEK is? Economic Community Economic Development.

[0:18:58] Voice 17: Thank you. I just wanted to be sure. I've also worked on affordable housing for the last 25 years

[0:19:05] Voice 17: and despite all that the island has done, we still are sadly needing much more affordable housing.

[0:19:14] Voice 17: After considering many different options, it seems that one option which might be the

[0:19:25] Voice 17: quickest and the cheapest and the most feasible is to acquire a piece of crown land and have

[0:19:32] Voice 17: it be a manufactured home park or a mobile home park, an MHP.

[0:19:39] Voice 17: Right. So, first of all, we looked at a piece of land which is in the PA zone, and realized that this adds a whole level of complication to getting this done quickly.

[0:19:56] Voice 17: We're thinking maybe

[0:19:57] Voice 1: we should move forward.

[0:19:57] Voice 1: I don't want to interrupt you, but when you say we, who would it be? Is that Hi-Seek?

[0:20:02] Voice 1: Hi-Seek, okay.

[0:20:04] Voice 17: Just because, I mean, it's anybody who wants to work with me, but nobody wants to work with me very many.

[0:20:16] Voice 17: So first of all I would like to ask if it would be, if it is a long process to get a piece of land

[0:20:24] Voice 17: moved from PUA to PU, that's my first question, and the second question is no matter which piece

[0:20:31] Voice 17: of land we choose it's going to have to have some work done on it so that it could be acceptable as

[0:20:39] Voice 17: a manufactured home park and we want the zoning to be very flexible to allow our definition of

[0:20:45] Voice 17: a mobile home so that it can include things specific to the island like yours

[0:20:53] Voice 17: and we need to do this very quickly so it really is a plea to the trust to help us shepherd this

[0:21:00] Voice 17: project through so that we can have housing for people who are already living here who are working

[0:21:07] Voice 17: and who are camping in the bush and having campfires, which could endanger the whole island during the summer.

[0:21:18] Voice 17: We need the young people to be able to live here.

[0:21:21] Voice 17: And there's also a number of seniors who have lived here for years who need to move out of their big house,

[0:21:27] Voice 17: which is old and difficult for them to maintain, and into something smaller and more communal. That's it.

[0:21:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much. And I'd encourage you to talk with staff at the break or at some point you might be able to help some of the questions, including about how long a rezoning takes. Please go ahead.

[0:21:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, good morning. My name is Donna Tuelli.

[0:21:49] Voice 6: I'm a 22-year resident of the island and an active volunteer. I sit on the High Seat Board with Catherine and I'm trying to work in housing as well as I actually sit on the Short-Term Rentals Association Board.

[0:22:04] Voice 6: There's numerous other boards I don't want to. Anyways, I'd like to thank you for this opportunity to speak to the Trust Committee. I'm here to speak about the recent APC process with respect to short-term rentals and the resulting report.

[0:22:16] Voice 6: First of all, I'd like to say that I do not have, personally, a short-term rental, so I don't feel like I'm in conflict, and I kind of look at this on a community-wide process.

[0:22:27] Voice 6: And I've looked at this from day one, because when I moved to Hornby, it's always been a topic.

[0:22:32] Voice 6: So in December of 2012, the Islands Trust outlined the community consensus on STR activity.

[0:22:37] Voice 6: This followed an intensive consultation process of stakeholders, which included meetings which I attended, both on Hornby and in Victoria.

[0:22:45] Voice 6: I didn't attend the one in Lower Mainland, and there was great efforts done by the Trust to have this come to a community agreement.

[0:22:53] Voice 6: So they really reached out. I'm sure it was a very costly process because of it, but that was one that I was actively involved in.

[0:23:00] Voice 6: And so at the end, five years after that, they did a follow-up review, the Trust did, and they conducted a survey they put out to the community.

[0:23:09] Voice 6: Again, you know, what is the thought about short-term rentals?

[0:23:12] Voice 6: is it something that we want continued here in the likes of that and the

[0:23:16] Voice 6: consensus was that vacation rentals are beneficial to the island and I

[0:23:20] Voice 6: confirm that it is beneficial to the island, that's my perspective. Recently

[0:23:26] Voice 6: as in the last year probably, members of the APC while extremely

[0:23:30] Voice 6: well-meaning and diligent approached the referral with a bias against vacation

[0:23:34] Voice 6: rentals, that's my opinion. Although looking at a wide variety of

[0:23:38] Voice 6: documentation they overlooked the importance of the true hornby local community input that was

[0:23:43] Voice 6: done in 2012 and in 2017. um regularly the only way major visions should be suggested to change

[0:23:52] Voice 6: any short-term vacation as a policy is through extensive community consultation prior to

[0:23:57] Voice 6: drafting any bylaws and i don't know if that's the process intended here but i actually feel like

[0:24:02] Voice 6: That needs to be done. The current process, I feel, was non-representative of grassroots input.

[0:24:11] Voice 6: The composition of the voting members of the AP excluded any actual stakeholders, SDV or stakeholders,

[0:24:17] Voice 6: business people, young people, long-term community members, multi-generational families who have families living here.

[0:24:23] Voice 6: They represent the future of the islands and do not see them living here simply as an elitist retirement haven.

[0:24:27] Voice 6: My concern is, when the trust is under fire like they are right now for the budget, why are we revisiting an issue that, as a community member, I feel like we've really done good community consultation already?

[0:24:40] Voice 6: And why are we looking at changing bylaws when we had good consultation already? And how much more money needs to be spent to do this?

[0:24:49] Voice 6: So, you know, I did read through your agenda package in detail, I read through the APC report in detail, and I feel like they used the list of names as consultation people, but they weren't.

[0:25:03] Voice 6: I don't think they were truly consulted, not everyone, maybe some of them were, but I do feel that it was approached from a perspective of bias, and I would like to see this revisited prior to bylaws being drafted.

[0:25:13] Voice 6: Thank

[0:25:14] Trustee Fast (probable): you very much, Dawn. Okay, next. Go ahead. Your name and connections.

[0:25:19] Voice 2: My name is Karen Ross. Just a quick...

[0:25:24] Trustee Fast (probable): And your

[0:25:24] Trustee Fast (probable): connection to the island is?

[0:25:25] Voice 2: I've lived here since 1984. I own my own business. I work for High Seek.

[0:25:31] Voice 2: I am the chair of the community foundation, the community fund.

[0:25:36] Voice 2: I'm on the HIST board. I'm the coordinator for golf for New Horizons.

[0:25:42] Voice 2: Okay. Thanks, that's fine.

[0:25:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, that's fine.

[0:25:45] Voice 2: I wanted to say about the regional district report.

[0:25:49] Voice 2: BC Transit is doing a review, a strategic plan for the Comox Valley on transit.

[0:25:56] Voice 2: And in 2014, the last time they did it, Hornby and Denman were not at the table.

[0:26:01] Voice 2: So we were missed in transit planning in the short term,

[0:26:06] Voice 2: and Denman had a dotted line across it for the long term.

[0:26:09] Voice 2: So we locally have initiatives where we've got transit started on our own without any assistance or support from BC Transit.

[0:26:19] Voice 2: Right now, they are redoing their strategic planning.

[0:26:22] Voice 2: And it's really important that the trust puts a position forward to them that, you know,

[0:26:30] Voice 2: we need to move people, not cars.

[0:26:32] Voice 2: We need to have a poverty lookout from people that can't afford or don't have a driver's

[0:26:40] Voice 2: license.

[0:26:41] Voice 2: The bus users tend to be the preschool, the teenagers, the young workers that don't have

[0:26:47] Voice 2: a driver's license yet, seniors that maybe can't drive anymore.

[0:26:50] Voice 2: more um and people going to work so it's really important that the trust is involved in that um

[0:26:57] Voice 2: position for us did

[0:27:00] Trustee Fast (probable): you say that the bc excuse me bc

[0:27:03] Trustee Fast (probable): transit is doing this or did you say at

[0:27:04] Trustee Fast (probable): the beginning that was a regional district it's

[0:27:07] Voice 2: bc transit is doing it for the regional district

[0:27:10] Voice 2: thank you they're working together on the strategic planning for transit for the valley

[0:27:15] Voice 2: Yep. So if Daniel were here, he would have given that in his report.

[0:27:20] Voice 2: So I just thought that should go on the record as I'm an ex-alternate for the regional district.

[0:27:26] Voice 2: Thank you. Go ahead.

[0:27:28] Voice 13: That's not

[0:27:28] Voice 2: really what I'm here to talk about.

[0:27:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, just a second. Just a

[0:27:31] Trustee Fast (probable): second. Alex has a question.

[0:27:33] Voice 3: Yeah, so I was just interested. This is regarding the bus that goes from Buckley Bay into town?

[0:27:38] Voice 3: This is not regarding our own island transit?

[0:27:40] Voice 3: transit? It's the

[0:27:41] Voice 2: strategic planning for transit for the regional district. So it includes all

[0:27:47] Voice 2: areas of the regional district. The existing transit, yes, is predominantly around the core

[0:27:53] Voice 2: population areas and the peripherals, not just Hornby and Denman, but Fanny Bay, Black Creek,

[0:28:01] Voice 2: those peripherals get very sporadic if any service.

[0:28:04] Voice 4: I just wonder whether you have any

[0:28:05] Voice 4: numbers on how many people actually use the bus off-island

[0:28:07] Trustee Fast (probable): in

[0:28:08] Voice 4: the town just because you know

[0:28:10] Voice 4: yes it'd be great but

[0:28:11] Trustee Fast (probable): i don't want to have a discussion now but

[0:28:13] Trustee Fast (probable): uh we can

[0:28:14] Trustee Fast (probable): we can add it to

[0:28:15] Trustee Fast (probable): the agenda or something i think grant's got a question too yeah

[0:28:17] Voice 1: that's okay i didn't quite

[0:28:19] Voice 1: know where the pool club will go back to with donna the same so number one there before anything's

[0:28:23] Voice 1: changed there will be public meetings oh

[0:28:26] Trustee Fast (probable): hang on uh she's going to talk to this planner in the

[0:28:28] Trustee Fast (probable): break i want to we've got a limited mind meeting it's you that has to leave early right so uh

[0:28:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Stand by. Thanks, everybody. If

[0:28:36] Voice 2: you had a question, go ahead, please.

[0:28:38] Voice 2: So that was the regional district report. Now I had something

[0:28:41] Voice 2: that I wanted to say. I've got concerns about

[0:28:45] Voice 2: the APC having spent so much time on

[0:28:50] Voice 2: what I believe is coming from a community desire to talk

[0:28:53] Voice 2: about housing. And I think the conversation is too small. I think we need

[0:28:57] Voice 2: a bigger conversation. I think what we need to do is not look at

[0:29:01] Voice 2: Do vacation rentals provide rental housing? Because at the very best, it's reluctant landlords and unsatisfied tenancies for renters because they have to move out.

[0:29:13] Voice 2: The provincial government precludes fixed-term contracts. It's just a no-go. It's not the way to go about housing.

[0:29:21] Voice 2: I really would appeal to the Trust to look at the big picture and look at rezoning.

[0:29:27] Voice 2: If somebody comes forward with a project, that should be top priority.

[0:29:31] Voice 2: The work that Catherine is doing, this is public land.

[0:29:36] Voice 2: We should be able to put public housing on it.

[0:29:38] Voice 2: We've got to get that right up at the top of the list.

[0:29:41] Voice 2: 15-unit development like at the Thatch, we've got to really help those private individuals get housing on the market here.

[0:29:51] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:29:52] Voice 2: That's good.

[0:29:53] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll come back if we've got more time.

[0:29:55] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm sorry, we're over the 10 minutes, and I've got another speaker.

[0:29:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay

[0:30:00] Voice 15: this i'm a long-term community member i just have a question about the status of the tup for the

[0:30:06] Voice 15: was um big jerry's smoke show and now it's a fish shop and i just want to know how much

[0:30:13] Voice 15: how many more years that tup runs and if he's in compliance with

[0:30:18] Trustee Fast (probable): it that's a good question

[0:30:20] Trustee Fast (probable): i don't know that we've got the information uh with us today i invite you to chat with the

[0:30:25] Trustee Fast (probable): planner during the break unless you've got yeah because then that gives her a

[0:30:29] Trustee Fast (probable): chance to get the information she's our regional planning manager and doesn't

[0:30:33] Trustee Fast (probable): always have her hand on all the permits okay thank you very much everybody and

[0:30:38] Trustee Fast (probable): knowing that we do want to be oh did you I'm sorry please go ahead

[0:30:55] Voice 5: a group of us talked to, and nothing happens.

[0:30:57] Voice 5: So today I gave a letter to the other trustees

[0:31:01] Voice 5: and told them what we were up to as far as it did go.

[0:31:05] Voice 5: So, yeah, that's all I have to say.

[0:31:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:31:10] Trustee Fast (probable): This is a, it says it's a petition,

[0:31:13] Trustee Fast (probable): but I don't see signatures or is this, or a date on it?

[0:31:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Do you know?

[0:31:20] Trustee Fast (probable): What

[0:31:20] Voice 5: happened was I gave the signatures and the actual contract, whatever, everybody signed the documents to Daniel Arbour, and then nothing happened with him either, but I lost all the information.

[0:31:42] Voice 5: information. The letter that we wrote and the letters that we have written to groups like

[0:31:51] Voice 5: Highways and we left a petition with Pyra as well and they sent it to the regional district and

[0:32:00] Voice 5: that thing happened there. So we're still, as they both are still, well thank

[0:32:06] Voice 5: you for it.

[0:32:07] Voice 5: my dog okay thank

[0:32:10] Trustee Fast (probable): you very much that's great and um now we know what happened to the document okay

[0:32:16] Trustee Fast (probable): okay thank you very much uh good then um karen did you have another topic uh

[0:32:24] Voice 2: i just wanted to finish

[0:32:26] Voice 2: my comment that you sort of cut me off so i really want the trust to get your free village done if

[0:32:32] Voice 2: there's anything at all of the trust on the bureaucratic village affordable housing development

[0:32:38] Voice 2: it's it's got to be at the very very top of the list and get any obstacles removed from that

[0:32:44] Voice 7: all right just comment on that really please go ahead um we're gonna have a meeting with them next

[0:32:48] Voice 7: week they're turning in their development permit application eminent and so we'll be meeting with

[0:32:53] Voice 7: them next week and we'll get it we'll get it done thank

[0:32:56] Voice 2: you okay

[0:32:58] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you everybody i'm uh i i

[0:33:01] Trustee Fast (probable): i wanted to say at the beginning we've got trustees who have to go off to other things

[0:33:06] Trustee Fast (probable): so we're going to try and keep a very tight meeting today please bear with me and i would

[0:33:12] Trustee Fast (probable): also like to note that the advisory planning commission was tasked by the local trust

[0:33:17] Trustee Fast (probable): committee with doing their important work so i'm looking forward to their presentation

[0:33:23] Trustee Fast (probable): um i'm just going to keep going here yes and now that's what we're into so on page

[0:33:29] Trustee Fast (probable): each four of your agenda let me just find it here sorry there we go we've got

[0:33:38] Trustee Fast (probable): the report from the Hornby Island

[0:33:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Advisory Planning Commission and thank

[0:33:43] Trustee Fast (probable): you very much Wendy for the work of all your volunteers and your group for your

[0:33:49] Trustee Fast (probable): report and your minutes that's terrific I'm just going to let the room settle

[0:33:54] Trustee Fast (probable): here and please go ahead.

[0:33:59] Voice 18: Okay, thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to speak to the recommendations that we made and particularly in light of some of the comments from all portions to speak to how we did the work that we were asked to do by the local trustees.

[0:34:15] Voice 18: speak. It is unfortunate that our work is considered to be biased. We spent a considerable

[0:34:23] Voice 18: amount of time asking for resource people to attend the meetings, and we did have resource

[0:34:29] Voice 18: people attending regularly with voice, but no vote, as is required by our local government.

[0:34:37] Voice 18: The resource people I would like to have for the record were people from High Seat, so

[0:34:44] Voice 18: So Catherine Rowland attended, and then Rudy Rogalski attended regularly.

[0:34:49] Voice 18: We had two representatives from ISTRA, the Short-Term Rental Association,

[0:34:54] Voice 18: and that was Ray Therrien and Patrick Louie, who attended regularly for five months.

[0:35:04] Voice 18: April Lewis, or Sadie Chizanko, my aunt, a person under 30.

[0:35:11] Voice 18: Me, though.

[0:35:13] Voice 18: I attended from Hornby Island Housing Society, and we were in constant contact also with the chair around some documents.

[0:35:23] Voice 18: We had submissions from Tony Law, from Fred Hunt, from Ed Hefner, from Gina Ray.

[0:35:29] Voice 18: So, our feeling is that what we attempted to do, and I believe we have done, is to cast our door, our net, as wide as possible and keep the door open for people to attend.

[0:35:45] Voice 18: We believe that we were given this responsibility because the local trustees are responding to concern about housing on this island.

[0:35:55] Voice 18: And there is no doubt, there is no doubt that housing on this island is completely interrelated with short-term rentals.

[0:36:07] Voice 18: That is not something that some biased members of an APC came up with.

[0:36:12] Voice 18: That is a national conclusion.

[0:36:15] Voice 18: So we proceeded from there.

[0:36:17] Voice 18: We also believe, this is my second point, that this is the beginning, the very, very beginning of a process of community consultation.

[0:36:27] Voice 18: In 2017, yes, some people agreed that short-term rentals were a good thing.

[0:36:34] Voice 18: Since then, there have been other voices.

[0:36:38] Voice 18: And so our understanding is that these recommendations will be cast into language that will become part of the community discussion.

[0:36:46] Voice 18: And there will be abundant opportunity for all kinds of voices here.

[0:36:52] Voice 18: I think education and awareness about what it is the Trust does is really important.

[0:36:59] Voice 18: And education and awareness about what our task was is also really important.

[0:37:04] Voice 18: It is discouraging to already hear comments that underscore the work that seven very dedicated people did,

[0:37:13] Voice 18: trying hard to accommodate the voices of the community this is a community

[0:37:19] Voice 18: problem it will take a community to solve this problem and I hope that we as

[0:37:27] Voice 18: a community and the community groups in this community can work in concert to

[0:37:34] Voice 18: bring out more opportunities for available housing to understand what the

[0:37:39] Voice 18: issues are and to tackle some of the problems that are abundant and

[0:37:44] Voice 18: abundantly voiced in this community that's really all i had to say and i'm if it's appropriate would

[0:37:51] Voice 18: be happy to answer questions thank

[0:37:54] Trustee Fast (probable): you very much wendy and i'd like to thank you and all your group

[0:37:57] Trustee Fast (probable): for the um all the work that you've done and for this concise report and uh that was as volunteers

[0:38:05] Trustee Fast (probable): for the local trust committee and within limited time and limited um resources so thank you very

[0:38:14] Trustee Fast (probable): much for that uh trustees do you have questions about uh the report and recommendations from

[0:38:20] Trustee Fast (probable): uh go ahead alex yeah

[0:38:22] Voice 4: wendy thank you very much for everything that you've done in your group um

[0:38:27] Voice 4: a lot of uh comments i've had regarding um this confusion over bedrooms in our bylaws and i

[0:38:36] Voice 4: noticed that you hadn't touched that in the report and i was just wondering it

[0:38:40] Voice 18: is actually there is a

[0:38:41] Voice 18: recommendation we believe that the language is at the moment is difficult to understand

[0:38:48] Voice 18: there was a pamphlet put out actually by the islands trust four years ago that that expressed

[0:38:55] Voice 18: what is meant by bedrooms and beds and heads but we've been being in consultation with warren

[0:39:02] Voice 18: dingman and the bio enforcement team about what they understand it means and that language has

[0:39:10] Voice 18: disseminated as much as possible. So that recommendation is there that the

[0:39:17] Voice 18: language be expressed more clearly as it is for the bed-and-breakfast occupancy

[0:39:24] Voice 18: levels. So it is there.

[0:39:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, I saw several that were about clarification.

[0:39:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Go ahead.

[0:39:33] Voice 4: I guess you didn't mention the pill tax because that's sort of...

[0:39:36] Voice 18: Mention the what?

[0:39:37] Voice 4: The pillow tax, in terms of...

[0:39:39] Voice 18: That arrived on Rudy Rogolsky,

[0:39:43] Voice 18: representative from High City,

[0:39:45] Voice 18: brought that information to us within, I think, two weeks.

[0:39:51] Voice 18: And we read into the record

[0:39:54] Voice 18: what percentage of the pillow tax

[0:39:56] Voice 18: was going to be directed to housing

[0:39:58] Voice 18: because we thought that was important.

[0:40:00] Voice 18: We questioned who the stakeholders would be

[0:40:03] Voice 18: that would be consulted

[0:40:04] Voice 18: and waited for more information, which is starting to come out now.

[0:40:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Can

[0:40:11] Voice 18: I just ask

[0:40:12] Trustee Fast (probable): a clarification? That's the MRDT?

[0:40:15] Voice 4: Yes.

[0:40:15] Trustee Fast (probable): And I forget what it stands for.

[0:40:17] Voice 4: Municipal residential something.

[0:40:19] Voice 4: Yeah, tax. Thank you.

[0:40:21] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[0:40:21] Voice 4: guess I wanted to tie you in with this because I'm under the impression with the pill tax,

[0:40:26] Voice 4: it's supposed to be supported and approved by law from the local government.

[0:40:30] Voice 4: And yet, we as a local government, we have not approved it.

[0:40:35] Voice 4: It hasn't gone through us. It's the regional district.

[0:40:39] Voice 4: And I'm not sure whether we're the only island that actually has this.

[0:40:43] Voice 4: Probably we are in Islands Trust.

[0:40:46] Voice 4: But I'd like to know, in terms of approval by local government,

[0:40:52] Voice 4: should that not be through us as well as the regional district?

[0:40:56] Voice 4: Because that's when I looked it up on the actual site there,

[0:41:00] Voice 4: There's supposed to be community collaboration. There's supposed to be a local government approval. I don't think it's happened. So I just like to...

[0:41:08] Voice 2: That's recommendation four

[0:41:10] Trustee Fast (probable): under the...

[0:41:10] Trustee Fast (probable): I'd

[0:41:11] Voice 4: like to get a question about that with staff because I don't think it's gone through the proper process.

[0:41:16] Voice 7: Okay. Well, that's something I'll have to look into.

[0:41:19] Voice 7: Do you have

[0:41:21] Voice 4: to make a motion on this?

[0:41:23] Voice 7: That would be helpful. But let's see. I'm trying to think how we might best do that.

[0:41:28] Voice 7: because we are we're going to talk about the project later on

[0:41:32] Voice 4: i was going to say so

[0:41:33] Voice 4: do that if you could save it to the till we talk about and then i'm sorry i got one more

[0:41:37] Voice 4: okay in terms of like i really like the idea of like starting from scratch all over again because

[0:41:43] Voice 4: in terms of me looking at the sites trying to find out who's running who's not it's you can't

[0:41:49] Voice 4: anymore it's crazy it's there's there's not only airbnb there's brbo there's i can't even come up

[0:41:56] Voice 4: with any of those acronyms anymore, but there's a lot.

[0:41:58] Voice 4: And as I

[0:42:00] Voice 3: said to people, I'm not anti

[0:42:01] Voice 4: -vacation rental,

[0:42:02] Voice 4: I'm anti-20 people versus four people knocking on my door.

[0:42:05] Voice 4: That's all.

[0:42:06] Voice 4: And I want to make myself clear about that.

[0:42:10] Voice 18: I said

[0:42:10] Voice 4: I'm not anti-vacation rental,

[0:42:12] Voice 4: I'm just anti-20 people coming to my door

[0:42:14] Voice 4: versus four people coming to my door.

[0:42:17] Voice 4: I know we've been renting since, you know, the 20s, the 1900s,

[0:42:23] Voice 4: 1900s, early 1900s, and it's reality, but I will want to touch on it. You said it wasn't

[0:42:29] Voice 4: just housing. It was housing and vacation rentals that we tasked you on that. It wasn't

[0:42:34] Voice 4: just housing. That's right.

[0:42:35] Voice 4: And I do understand the fact that vacation rentals, if it's not

[0:42:40] Voice 4: a vacation rental, it's not going to become a year-round housing. That's reality. And

[0:42:43] Voice 4: I do have a suggestion with the housing group I'd like to talk to in a break about another

[0:42:49] Voice 4: location. Yeah, that's it.

[0:42:52] Voice 13: Thank you. Okay. Thank

[0:42:53] Voice 4: you, Wendy. Yeah.

[0:42:56] Voice 1: Thanks, Wendy, for all your work on the APC and doing it. Now, just on the comments going out, it is advisory. So it's advice that comes to the Trust Council. There's a local trust committee. It's our responsibility to take that and do something with it. So that's the first thing. There is a process of public consultation.

[0:43:19] Voice 1: to take into account everything that you've said, you said earlier, there's no doubt about that.

[0:43:25] Voice 1: I mean, we'd be crucified if we tried to push it through without that public consultation.

[0:43:30] Voice 1: We're well aware of that.

[0:43:32] Voice 1: We also recognize the importance of this issue as well as getting the OPC fixed.

[0:43:37] Voice 1: We, Alex and I, put out for $15,000 to help us do this, to take the advisory planning commission report

[0:43:46] Voice 1: and to be able to set up the public consultation meetings and to work with

[0:43:51] Voice 1: the staff to be able to come back and say these are the recommendations that

[0:43:56] Voice 1: we feel the community can it's going to be hugely divisive as you know it's not

[0:44:00] Voice 1: going to be easy but that's the process that we have to go through and the whole

[0:44:04] Voice 1: Trust Council supported they recognized the validity of it if we can do it the I

[0:44:10] Voice 1: think the reason they passed it actually was we said others will be able to use

[0:44:14] Voice 1: it as a process to revise their everybody's got similar problems so

[0:44:20] Voice 1: that's what I'm looking forward to is this process to get the APC and the

[0:44:26] Voice 1: bias thing everybody's got I don't see the bias because I just look past it to

[0:44:31] Voice 1: say what are the people recommended what's the process we get to put in

[0:44:35] Voice 1: their place so i'll just leave it there and thank you again i

[0:44:42] Trustee Fast (probable): want to uh uh mention that here i'm

[0:44:47] Trustee Fast (probable): looking at the first page of the um report and uh from the um apc and it does say part of the

[0:44:54] Trustee Fast (probable): process is extensive community consultation through the first second third readings

[0:44:59] Trustee Fast (probable): like any uh big ocp amendment there's tons of community consultation in there and it's

[0:45:04] Trustee Fast (probable): and it's referenced in the report.

[0:45:07] Trustee Fast (probable): And I really like the way you have the principles that you worked under

[0:45:12] Trustee Fast (probable): at the beginning of the report.

[0:45:13] Trustee Fast (probable): That's very helpful because not everybody does consider climate change

[0:45:18] Trustee Fast (probable): when they're thinking ahead.

[0:45:19] Trustee Fast (probable): So thank you for that.

[0:45:20] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm thinking that we're going to come to this later in the meeting

[0:45:26] Trustee Fast (probable): when we come to the $15,000 that Trustee Scott is referring to

[0:45:31] Trustee Fast (probable): that was approved by Trust Council in the budget.

[0:45:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so I'm going to, unless there's more questions for our delegation,

[0:45:40] Trustee Fast (probable): our presentation, and I'm reluctant to take questions.

[0:45:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Can you go ahead, April?

[0:45:48] Voice 15: It's very quick.

[0:45:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Is

[0:45:49] Voice 15: this a question?

[0:45:50] Voice 15: It is a comment about that process.

[0:45:55] Voice 15: Can

[0:45:55] Trustee Fast (probable): you hang on to that, please?

[0:45:57] Trustee Fast (probable): I want to get on with the meeting.

[0:45:58] Voice 1: Yeah, okay.

[0:45:59] Voice 1: No, please, let her speak.

[0:46:03] Voice 15: I don't think it has to be as divisive as what people are concerned about, because existing STVRs will not be impacted.

[0:46:11] Voice 15: It's new ones coming forth, and I think that's really important to have out there in the community,

[0:46:17] Voice 15: especially if people are betting themselves on one side or another. It doesn't have to be that way.

[0:46:22] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:46:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, we're going to move on now to the minutes and the other pieces of less interesting business.

[0:46:32] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'm going to ask trustees, we're on page 11 of the agenda, zipping past all the details of the report from the APC.

[0:46:47] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got the minutes of the regular meeting, and this was February 18th. Any changes, trustees?

[0:46:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Pages 11 to 19.

[0:46:58] Voice 1: I move acceptance of the minutes.

[0:47:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Adoption of the minutes. Thank you.

[0:47:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Do I have a seconder? Okay, thank you. All those in favor? Okay, thank you. The minutes are adopted.

[0:47:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Resolutions without meeting, that's just a report that's there on page 20,

[0:47:14] Trustee Fast (probable): and we're receiving the Advisory Planning Commission minutes. So by consent, can I,

[0:47:25] Trustee Fast (probable): do we

[0:47:26] Trustee Fast (probable): receive the APC minutes? Yeah. Thank you. Grant, do I have a seconder?

[0:47:30] Voice 4: Second. Thank you.

[0:47:31] Trustee Fast (probable): all those in favor thank you very good the minutes are received thank you very

[0:47:36] Trustee Fast (probable): much for all the detailed work and all the hours that went into that many

[0:47:44] Trustee Fast (probable): meetings okay you follow up action list page 38 of our agenda here oops sorry

[0:47:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Sorry. I had to scroll it. Page 38. Questions for the planner? Go ahead, Glenn.

[0:48:13] Voice 1: Number two there. Since Lisa's not there with people, what's going to happen to that?

[0:48:18] Voice 7: Number two, the First Nations' relationship?

[0:48:21] Voice 1: Yeah. Just don't vote until we get another.

[0:48:25] Voice 7: Yeah. I think we are replacing Lisa, but...

[0:48:28] Voice 1: I guess that you just stayed on hold.

[0:48:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Which one are you looking at, Ben?

[0:48:35] Trustee Fast (probable): 24th of May?

[0:48:37] Voice 1: Lisa Wilcox is named there.

[0:48:39] Voice 1: Oh, right, yes.

[0:48:41] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got a vacancy with our Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor, Lisa Wilcox,

[0:48:46] Trustee Fast (probable): who was helping us with our First Nations and reconciliation, has moved on to other work.

[0:48:51] Trustee Fast (probable): So, as naturally, she has a big role to play and a large, I don't think you'd want to say big shoes to fill,

[0:49:02] Trustee Fast (probable): but that's the idea. We have to figure out how to go on from here with that important work at that level.

[0:49:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, other questions for the planner about the follow-up action list?

[0:49:18] Trustee Fast (probable): No? All right, then hearing that, we'll go on.

[0:49:22] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you fees by law so here we've got page 41 to 51 this is the staff report

[0:49:34] Trustee Fast (probable): that we asked for some time to we postponed it from our previous meeting

[0:49:40] Trustee Fast (probable): talked about it a little bit and we'd asked just had had the report I think

[0:49:46] Trustee Fast (probable): from ABC or something that had just come in so now here it is in front of us and

[0:49:53] Trustee Fast (probable): And here we are. So I'd like to ask you, Heather, to lead us through the report.

[0:50:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, so...

[0:50:05] Trustee Fast (probable): Can I check in with... Catherine, can you still hear us?

[0:50:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good. Thank you.

[0:50:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Sorry, what page was that?

[0:50:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Page 41. Go ahead, Heather.

[0:50:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah,

[0:50:18] Voice 7: so there was a bylaw introduced to the LTC, and it was referred to the ABC to make comment,

[0:50:25] Voice 7: and they have made comment, and the current bylaw before you reflects those comments.

[0:50:34] Voice 7: And Chair Burton might be able to speak to that a little bit if you have questions around that,

[0:50:38] Voice 7: but essentially we're at the stage where we're asking for readings and to send it to the Executive Committee for approval.

[0:50:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good. So this is, the recommendations in front of us are be read a first time, be read a second time, be read a third time, and send it to the Executive Committee.

[0:50:57] Trustee Fast (probable): This is because it's an administrative type of bylaw, and so that we can follow up on all the work that's been done by the committees of the Trust Council and the decision of Trust Council to adopt it. Go ahead, Meg.

[0:51:17] Voice 1: So is this for all of the islands, or just the model?

[0:51:21] Voice 1: The

[0:51:21] Voice 7: model bylaw has been introduced to all the islands, but each LTC has to adopt their own.

[0:51:28] Voice 1: So how many of them have adopted it yet?

[0:51:31] Voice 1: Of

[0:51:31] Trustee Fast (probable): the ones I know, I believe, I can't

[0:51:39] Voice 1: remember, but I

[0:51:39] Trustee Fast (probable): think Bendham has in Gambier. I'm not sure.

[0:51:44] Voice 12: Galliano has.

[0:51:47] Voice 7: I actually have a list here.

[0:51:49] Voice 7: okay

[0:51:50] Trustee Fast (probable): um

[0:51:52] Voice 7: yeah so the latest

[0:51:54] Voice 7: on chelsea has adopted um we are anticipating adoption by

[0:52:02] Voice 7: gabriel and now we are um then we will be reviewing another next one and fetus has adopted

[0:52:10] Voice 7: yes yeah thank

[0:52:12] Trustee Fast (probable): you it's going through the through the different uh committees and because of covid

[0:52:16] Trustee Fast (probable): and things it's taking some time but just to let everybody know too this was partly

[0:52:23] Trustee Fast (probable): to update the fees which hadn't been updated for a long time in order to reflect

[0:52:28] Trustee Fast (probable): the work that staff actually put into them in order that development pays for itself

[0:52:35] Trustee Fast (probable): that the local taxpayers aren't subsidizing development by having fees too low so go ahead

[0:52:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Just

[0:52:42] Voice 1: put on table two, it says protection of farming, $1,000.

[0:52:47] Voice 1: What does protection of farming understand what that means?

[0:52:53] Voice 7: If you have a development permit area that's specifically for the protection of farming,

[0:52:59] Voice 7: then that's what that fee would be associated with.

[0:53:02] Voice 7: So if somebody is applying for a development permit in that,

[0:53:04] Voice 7: I don't believe you actually have a development permit area that is specifically for protection of farming.

[0:53:10] Voice 7: On Harbin, yeah.

[0:53:14] Voice 7: It

[0:53:14] Voice 1: doesn't have anything to do with the agricultural matter, does it?

[0:53:16] Voice 1: No,

[0:53:17] Voice 7: it's not the same thing because it's our development permit area.

[0:53:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead.

[0:53:25] Voice 4: It's kind of like how we had issues with the definition of small scale

[0:53:29] Voice 4: and it's a whole Hornby resort.

[0:53:34] Voice 4: In terms of who determines the community benefits,

[0:53:39] Voice 4: is that going to be...

[0:53:41] Voice 3: I think

[0:53:42] Voice 3: there was a definition.

[0:53:43] Voice 4: Is there an actual definition? Because I was trying to find something. Because it's really perception again.

[0:53:54] Voice 18: Could I speak to that? Please go ahead.

[0:53:56] Voice 18: My understanding is that there is a definition of community benefit and when a person makes an application and wants to claim the community benefit, they would do that in their proposal.

[0:54:07] Voice 18: proposal. So they would explain what the community benefit is to the satisfaction of the local

[0:54:16] Voice 18: trustees.

[0:54:17] Voice 18: And here's the

[0:54:18] Trustee Fast (probable): definition. You're right Wendy. Community benefit refers to an application

[0:54:23] Trustee Fast (probable): that results in a provision of an amenity something that is of value to the community

[0:54:28] Trustee Fast (probable): and identified in the OCP as a community amenity.

[0:54:32] Voice 4: open to a big big interpretation but yeah okay okay

[0:54:37] Voice 1: we're looking again here when it goes

[0:54:38] Voice 1: development permit amendment a thousand dollars up from 165 yeah because that's someone who has

[0:54:46] Voice 1: an existing development permit and they want to renew it or amend it it's going to cost a thousand

[0:54:55] Voice 1: Yeah.

[0:54:58] Voice 7: In part because an amendment is almost like a brand new application in terms of the

[0:55:05] Voice 7: amount of staff time that it takes to process that.

[0:55:09] Voice 1: So a development permit is not conditional on time, it's not like a temporary, it's this.

[0:55:16] Voice 1: So it will take a while. I see what you mean.

[0:55:20] Voice 1: Yeah, that's fair enough, I guess.

[0:55:23] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:55:24] Voice 1: I always look at the wedding to see if she's nodding.

[0:55:28] Voice 1: April 2.

[0:55:30] Voice 15: Probably not

[0:55:30] Voice 1: nodding to any fees.

[0:55:32] Voice 15: Yeah, we understand that

[0:55:33] Voice 15: staff have to be paid.

[0:55:35] Voice 15: Yeah, that's

[0:55:36] Voice 15: the thing is we have to run that.

[0:55:37] Voice 1: Well, the taxes come the other way, too, to pay them, so this is specific.

[0:55:41] Voice 15: But the fee doesn't cover all the staff time.

[0:55:44] Voice 15: I remember that from the last meeting that covers a percentage.

[0:55:47] Voice 15: there

[0:55:48] Trustee Fast (probable): was a lot of research done

[0:55:50] Trustee Fast (probable): in order to

[0:55:50] Voice 15: hear

[0:55:50] Voice 1: things from

[0:55:52] Voice 1: the other

[0:55:52] Voice 1: yeah

[0:55:56] Trustee Fast (probable): okay

[0:55:57] Trustee Fast (probable): so I'd like to

[0:55:58] Trustee Fast (probable): hearing no more questions

[0:56:00] Trustee Fast (probable): I'd like to entertain

[0:56:00] Trustee Fast (probable): some motions

[0:56:01] Trustee Fast (probable): who'd like to make

[0:56:03] Trustee Fast (probable): the motions

[0:56:03] Trustee Fast (probable): on page 41

[0:56:04] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll move

[0:56:07] Trustee Fast (probable): page 41

[0:56:07] Trustee Fast (probable): go ahead

[0:56:08] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[0:56:08] Voice 4: move that the

[0:56:09] Voice 4: first one

[0:56:10] Trustee Fast (probable): the Hornbead

[0:56:12] Voice 4: and Local Trust Committee

[0:56:13] Voice 4: bylaw 169

[0:56:14] Voice 4: cited as Hornbead

[0:56:15] Voice 4: and Local Trust Committee

[0:56:16] Voice 4: fees bylaw 2022

[0:56:17] Voice 4: be read the first time

[0:56:18] Voice 4: do

[0:56:19] Trustee Fast (probable): I have a seconder

[0:56:20] Voice 4: It

[0:56:20] Voice 1: goes against every grain of my body, and makes things cost more money to people.

[0:56:26] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:56:27] Voice 1: I

[0:56:27] Trustee Fast (probable): guess that's a yes.

[0:56:29] Trustee Fast (probable): It's seconded.

[0:56:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:56:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion?

[0:56:32] Trustee Fast (probable): No.

[0:56:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion?

[0:56:33] Voice 1: No.

[0:56:34] Trustee Fast (probable): More questions?

[0:56:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, then I'm going to call the question.

[0:56:35] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[0:56:37] Trustee Fast (probable): One, two, three hands went up, Catherine.

[0:56:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:56:40] Trustee Fast (probable): And then the next one.

[0:56:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Who'd like to make the next one?

[0:56:43] Voice 4: To be read a second time.

[0:56:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead and read it for the record, the video record.

[0:56:48] Voice 4: That Hornby Island Local Trust Committee, bylaw 169, side is Hornby Island Local Trust Committee, fees bylaw 2022, be read a second time.

[0:56:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. Seconder?

[0:56:59] Voice 4: No, not yet.

[0:57:01] Trustee Fast (probable): No, sorry, you're interrupting what is the most important part of the meeting. Please

[0:57:08] Trustee Fast (probable): go ahead. Are we

[0:57:08] Trustee Fast (probable): going to second it?

[0:57:09] Voice 1: Wait a

[0:57:09] Voice 12: minute, when can she comment?

[0:57:11] Voice 6: It was a question

[0:57:12] Voice 12: actually, it wasn't a comment.

[0:57:12] Voice 12: At the break. Is the

[0:57:15] Trustee Fast (probable): motion going to be seconded? I'll second the motion. Any more questions or discussion? All those in favor? One, two, three hands went up, Catherine. The third one. Go ahead, Alex.

[0:57:31] Voice 4: Well, I just want to know what the comment is, to be honest.

[0:57:34] Voice 4: Me too.

[0:57:35] Voice 6: It's a really good question. Doesn't it just defeat the purpose of bylaws to read one, two, three and pass it on in one versus giving it spread out over time?

[0:57:41] Voice 6: Isn't it a procedural thing to give people time to realize, hey, I went through your first reading, I should go look at this rather than one, two, three?

[0:57:47] Trustee Fast (probable): This is to make it short, and this is following the rules of British Columbia.

[0:57:52] Trustee Fast (probable): But we are doing all the readings.

[0:57:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Do I have a motion for Section 3, Recommendation 3?

[0:57:57] Voice 4: I move that the Horme Island Local Trust Committee, By-law 169, slide is Horme Island Local Trust Committee, fees by-law 2022 be read a third time.

[0:58:05] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Thank you, Grant.

[0:58:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion or questions?

[0:58:10] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favour? Thank you. That passes unanimously, Catherine. And then number four.

[0:58:17] Voice 4: I move that a Hormigha and Local Trust Committee by-law number 169, cited as Hormigha and Local Trust Committee Fees by-law 2022, be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for the approval by the Executive Committee.

[0:58:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. Do

[0:58:28] Voice 4: I have a seconder?

[0:58:29] Voice 4: You can second this one.

[0:58:31] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll

[0:58:31] Voice 4: second this one.

[0:58:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. And any more discussion?

[0:58:35] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll call the question. All those in favour? One, two, three hands went up. Thank you, Catherine.

[0:58:41] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:58:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Just making sure you've got them, that's great.

[0:58:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, and now we're going to move on to 8.3 on our agenda. This is the Citing and Use Permit By-law, page 52.

[0:58:57] Trustee Fast (probable): for anybody following so I'm going to yeah I'll pass it over to Heather once

[0:59:07] Trustee Fast (probable): people have found their page 52 and we're going to ask Heather to introduce

[0:59:13] Trustee Fast (probable): this set of recommendations go ahead please Heather

[0:59:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Right,

[0:59:17] Voice 7: so this is recommended amendments to the Siding and Use Permit by-law

[0:59:21] Voice 7: The recommended amendments would allow us to get some surveys for proposals that are closer than one meter to any site back.

[0:59:37] Voice 7: And that's especially important for the National Boundary of the Sea.

[0:59:39] Voice 7: They get a lot of site plans that we don't know if it's actually accurate.

[0:59:45] Voice 7: So it's harder for us to review without that accurate site plan.

[0:59:48] Voice 7: month. There's also some updates of dates and that sort of thing. There was a motion

[0:59:56] Voice 7: from the LTC to look at the Capital Regional District.

[1:00:00] Voice 7: for some of their language and I believe what I said in here was that I did review that

[1:00:07] Voice 7: and it didn't necessarily apply in the same way that to this file.

[1:00:16] Voice 7: So yeah, I'm looking for readings and moving along to the executive committee on this one as well.

[1:00:25] Voice 7: Denman did do this at their, I believe they're about to, they'll be adopting these amendments at their next meeting.

[1:00:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Yeah,

[1:00:35] Trustee Fast (probable): I thought I'd seen it. Okay, thank you very much. And questions for the planner? Go ahead, Alex.

[1:00:40] Voice 4: Yeah, just a question about the table on page 54, in terms of needing a survey. I don't understand.

[1:00:46] Voice 4: So, 15 meters from the natural boundary of the sea is a required setback, and the proposed

[1:00:53] Voice 4: setback they want to do is 16.5 meters, and you say no survey, but if they want to do

[1:00:57] Voice 4: 15.5 meters, they need a survey.

[1:01:00] Voice 4: Wouldn't it be the other way around?

[1:01:02] Voice 4: Wouldn't they, why just 0.5 meters more, they need a survey, but 1.5 meters, they don't

[1:01:08] Voice 4: need a survey?

[1:01:09] Voice 4: Or am I reading that wrong?

[1:01:10] Voice 7: Yeah, it's how close they are to that setback.

[1:01:13] Voice 7: Oh, okay.

[1:01:14] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:01:14] Voice 12: All right.

[1:01:16] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:01:16] Voice 12: So if they're trying to put it too close.

[1:01:18] Voice 12: It's complicating them way too much.

[1:01:20] Voice 12: All right.

[1:01:22] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:01:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more questions for the planner?

[1:01:28] Trustee Fast (probable): All right.

[1:01:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Then I'll entertain motions.

[1:01:33] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm on page 52.

[1:01:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Who'd like to make some motions this time?

[1:01:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Scott?

[1:01:40] Voice 1: I have all right.

[1:01:40] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:01:43] Voice 1: 52.

[1:01:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, he's getting there.

[1:01:45] Trustee Fast (probable): His computer is doing funny things, I can tell.

[1:01:48] Trustee Fast (probable): As in, stopped.

[1:01:49] Trustee Fast (probable): There we go.

[1:01:51] Voice 1: So, so the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee bylaw 168 cited as Hornby Island Local Trust Committee cited reduced permit bylaw 168, 2021 to be let up. First time.

[1:02:05] Voice 1: Second.

[1:02:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:02:06] Trustee Fast (probable): And am I correct that that should be 2021?

[1:02:10] Trustee Fast (probable): It is 2021.

[1:02:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Right. That's when we initiated it. Okay. Thank you.

[1:02:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Any, any other questions?

[1:02:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Then I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[1:02:19] Trustee Fast (probable): One, two, three hands went up. Catherine?

[1:02:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. And then the second one.

[1:02:26] Voice 1: That's a Wormey Island Local Trust Committee By-law number 168

[1:02:29] Voice 1: cited as a Wormey Island Local Trust Committee Citing and Use Permit

[1:02:32] Voice 1: by the 168-2021 B-RAG, a second time.

[1:02:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Senator. Thank you.

[1:02:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more questions for the planner or discussion?

[1:02:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[1:02:46] Trustee Fast (probable): One, two, three hands went up. Thank you.

[1:02:48] Trustee Fast (probable): And the third one, go ahead.

[1:02:49] Trustee Fast (probable): That

[1:02:50] Voice 1: will be on the local trust committee bylaw number 16 and siting as will be on the local trust committee siting and use permit bylaw number 16 and 2021 be read out third time.

[1:02:59] Trustee Fast (probable): And do I have a seconder? Second. Thank you. Trustee Allen, all those in favor? One, two, three hands went up. Go ahead.

[1:03:07] Trustee Fast (probable): That's

[1:03:07] Voice 1: on Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Board By-law No. 168 Senator Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Citing Use Permit By-law No. 168-2021 to the Islands Trust Executive Committee for approval.

[1:03:23] Trustee Fast (probable): And a seconder by Alex Allen. Thank you. Any more discussion or final discussion? Questions? All those in favour?

[1:03:30] Trustee Fast (probable): 1, 2, 3, hands went up. Thank you. This motion, that's all passed. Very good. And thank you, Catherine. I'm sure you caught all that, but just let me know if you're still there.

[1:03:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes, yes, I'm still there.

[1:03:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, good. This is great. This phone is working much better. Thank you. Okay, we've had trouble the last few times.

[1:03:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, 8.4, ferry signage. Now, I don't have a page number for this, but if you will permit me, I have a picture for you to look at, another picture, and a couple of ideas here.

[1:04:08] Trustee Fast (probable): here. With Lisa gone, I didn't take this, I had been talking to Lisa beforehand, and she and I

[1:04:15] Trustee Fast (probable): were going to meet at the Trust Council meeting in March, but as it

[1:04:19] Trustee Fast (probable): turned out, she was on her

[1:04:21] Trustee Fast (probable): way out and didn't come to that meeting, and I wasn't able to follow up with her. But if you

[1:04:26] Trustee Fast (probable): would like to go to the, Karen, page 78, I think it'll be like 84, try page 84 in our agenda,

[1:04:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes, it's upside down. No, no, it's right side up. Okay, page 84, I was correct. You see that picture? There it is, Alex. It's a nameplate, an entry sign for the Nature Reserve on a different island.

[1:05:01] Trustee Fast (probable): But the point is, I'll just hold up my screen so you folks can see what we're looking at.

[1:05:08] Trustee Fast (probable): It's just a picture of an entry sign for the Elder Cedar Nature Reserve.

[1:05:13] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm not sure if I remember which island this is.

[1:05:16] Trustee Fast (probable): It might be Gabriola?

[1:05:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes, Gabriola.

[1:05:22] Trustee Fast (probable): And so I just wanted to introduce, give you a feel for another kind of sign,

[1:05:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Because I did find that in our standing resolution about relationship building, which is on page 96 of our agenda, we say, this is another resolution about First Nations relationship building that we passed back in May 2019.

[1:06:00] Trustee Fast (probable): 2019. We say things like that we're going to consult about place names. There's something

[1:06:11] Trustee Fast (probable): about traditional welcome. I think at that point it was about asking elders to come to

[1:06:16] Trustee Fast (probable): local trust committees to give a traditional welcome, but still the words traditional welcome

[1:06:21] Trustee Fast (probable): spoke to me when we're talking about an entrance sign and consult about language. So these

[1:06:28] Trustee Fast (probable): things are also in our in this standing resolution that was passed by this local

[1:06:34] Trustee Fast (probable): trust committee back in 2019 and so when thinking about signs I wondered if we

[1:06:42] Trustee Fast (probable): want to have a quick discussion about what the goals of this sign would be

[1:06:50] Trustee Fast (probable): because if it's related to some of the things we've been talking about like our

[1:06:57] Trustee Fast (probable): our standing resolution that I've just talked about or about our draft communications policy that's not passed yet,

[1:07:03] Voice 15: but

[1:07:04] Trustee Fast (probable): that I spoke at the previous meeting about.

[1:07:09] Trustee Fast (probable): We can't do a lot of work on it today because we haven't heard from our reconciliation experts in the trust.

[1:07:17] Trustee Fast (probable): And we were going to be speaking with Lisa about that.

[1:07:21] Trustee Fast (probable): But what I just wanted to take, if we could take a few minutes and say, what would the goals of the sign be?

[1:07:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, I

[1:07:32] Voice 4: brought this up,

[1:07:34] Trustee Fast (probable): it's my motion, only

[1:07:36] Voice 4: because I'm bringing this up constantly

[1:07:39] Voice 4: since 2014.

[1:07:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, I know, you've been collecting

[1:07:42] Trustee Fast (probable): photos and everything.

[1:07:43] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[1:07:44] Voice 4: don't understand why this is here right now, again, because we've got a few, there's

[1:07:49] Voice 4: not just, we've got, you know, we want to have Comox First Nations acknowledgement

[1:07:53] Voice 4: acknowledgement on this. We want to have the name cetacean, no cetacean, which is the name

[1:07:59] Voice 4: for the committee on there. We need to sort of discuss what they'd like to see in our

[1:08:06] Voice 4: signage. We want to know what's happened to our Islands Trust signage. I keep going on

[1:08:11] Voice 4: it. The ferry advisory, I'm sorry, the ferry committee removed it. Where did it go? Back

[1:08:17] Voice 4: in 2017, Tony Lodge contacted some Jeff West BC ferries. Where is the signage and the response?

[1:08:23] Voice 4: We've done motions after motions after this. We had us contacting the Dem in Ireland and that never happened.

[1:08:32] Voice 4: It's just ridiculous what's going on with this whole thing.

[1:08:35] Voice 4: So

[1:08:35] Voice 13: there's

[1:08:38] Voice 4: quite a few things that have to be involved because another thing is that I have the

[1:08:44] Voice 4: The Wraith Pairs Association has another whole idea of signage, which is separate.

[1:08:49] Voice 4: And they wanted to see something like this on the LID signage.

[1:08:54] Voice 4: It keeps on going around and around and around.

[1:08:55] Voice 3: Instead of telling you where

[1:08:56] Voice 4: the vessel is, we know where the vessel is.

[1:08:59] Voice 4: Just get out and look.

[1:09:00] Voice 4: It's just a ridiculous thing.

[1:09:02] Voice 4: So there's quite a few different layers on this.

[1:09:06] Voice 4: So that's where I want to make sure that we're all covering everything.

[1:09:09] Voice 4: everything. And also that we tie in with

[1:09:10] Voice 4: Denman Island, because

[1:09:12] Voice 4: the signage on Buckley Bay should be both

[1:09:14] Voice 4: Denman and Horry, not just

[1:09:16] Voice 4: Denman, which is how it was before, right?

[1:09:19] Voice 4: So there's a lot of coordination

[1:09:20] Voice 4: with different groups, so I'm not sure.

[1:09:22] Voice 4: It's not just a matter of us discussing it here.

[1:09:24] Voice 4: We have to liaise with Denman,

[1:09:26] Voice 4: we need to liaise with the fairies, we need to

[1:09:28] Voice 4: liaise with the Commonwealth's First Nations.

[1:09:30] Voice 4: Well,

[1:09:30] Trustee Fast (probable): this is why I wanted

[1:09:32] Trustee Fast (probable): to have a little discussion about the goals,

[1:09:34] Trustee Fast (probable): because each

[1:09:35] Trustee Fast (probable): of these signs has different goals.

[1:09:37] Trustee Fast (probable): That one's about

[1:09:38] Trustee Fast (probable): conserving water, protecting forests. But I have this sense that we were talking about an

[1:09:45] Trustee Fast (probable): entrance sign, but maybe I'm wrong about

[1:09:50] Voice 4: that. An entrance

[1:09:50] Trustee Fast (probable): sign? A welcome sign?

[1:09:53] Trustee Fast (probable): It

[1:09:53] Voice 4: was supposed to be about preserving and protecting, which is what we had before.

[1:09:57] Voice 4: Exactly the same, you know, the wordage before. What happened to that? I don't know what other

[1:10:00] Voice 4: islands... Do they still have the signage anywhere? Are they all being removed when

[1:10:04] Voice 4: they did the comfort stations? I don't know. This

[1:10:06] Trustee Fast (probable): is one of the things that's changed is

[1:10:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Everybody's islands have different, over the past 10 years, it's all changed at the ferries.

[1:10:16] Trustee Fast (probable): So that's why I brought that Bowen sign to the last one, because our sign had disappeared years ago.

[1:10:22] Trustee Fast (probable): And so now we just have that small one, but at least it has the name of the First Nation and the name of the island.

[1:10:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, Grant.

[1:10:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Well,

[1:10:31] Voice 1: I don't think there's any doubt about the goal of why do it. It's to point out to the public the importance of cedar in First Nations culture and heritage.

[1:10:43] Voice 1: And to show respect for the First Nations and the elders. It's part of that reconciliation and awareness education.

[1:10:52] Voice 1: That's pretty clear what it is. But to say that, I don't get it. Number one, why is the trust doing this? That's one question.

[1:11:02] Voice 1: Secondly, COMAX, it just has to be completely, like what Alex is talking about, it almost seems like it has to come from them.

[1:11:11] Voice 1: Rather than, it's always this patronizing, us going to them and saying, we want to do a sign about you.

[1:11:18] Voice 2: You know,

[1:11:19] Voice 1: it's just not the wrong thing. I don't know. Our intentions are good, but you don't have a road to where it's paved with good intentions.

[1:11:26] Voice 1: So, I don't know. I mean, I feel very uncomfortable with it. I mean, I don't know who's going to go and approach COMOX on this.

[1:11:34] Voice 1: The only

[1:11:35] Voice 16: person that

[1:11:35] Voice 1: could possibly do that would have been Lisa. It's not us.

[1:11:39] Voice 1: She could go and say, look, into what? But for us to go and do it, I mean, I wouldn't want to do it.

[1:11:47] Voice 1: This

[1:11:48] Trustee Fast (probable): is why I was trying to have a general idea about what is the sign going to achieve, what's the vision.

[1:11:55] Trustee Fast (probable): I think there's several goals, and so I've, you know, granted we started with you, Alex, with you bringing it up as a topic.

[1:12:06] Voice 4: Well, I have notes from way back when, basically, once you have an idea and vision of what the sign will look like,

[1:12:13] Voice 4: come back to us and show it to us

[1:12:15] Voice 4: and that was back in 2015

[1:12:17] Voice 4: I think. Because

[1:12:19] Trustee Fast (probable): another thing that's happening

[1:12:19] Trustee Fast (probable): now is the redevelopment

[1:12:22] Trustee Fast (probable): of the FASH which I want to get to

[1:12:23] Trustee Fast (probable): on our agenda so maybe

[1:12:26] Trustee Fast (probable): we want to park this for a little bit

[1:12:27] Trustee Fast (probable): and see what happens from that

[1:12:30] Trustee Fast (probable): and how it all

[1:12:32] Voice 4: looks down there.

[1:12:33] Voice 4: Is that we need to

[1:12:35] Voice 4: the Islands Trust signage was

[1:12:37] Voice 4: if you remember what it said it was great

[1:12:40] Voice 4: right and it's just

[1:12:41] Voice 4: not to forget that we should know about preserving and protecting and saying these are you know

[1:12:47] Voice 4: delicate fragile islands that's all okay um all right which

[1:12:51] Voice 4: is the initial thing we had

[1:12:52] Voice 7: okay

[1:12:53] Voice 7: yes can we just maybe recommend that um that one of the trustees talk to claire frader maybe you

[1:13:01] Voice 7: have already um claire's group um trust area services are in charge of signage and she has

[1:13:07] Voice 7: said they they do islands trust signage um and so there may be an ongoing project or at least

[1:13:14] Voice 7: a database of where they're keeping track of kind of which signs they need and um or which

[1:13:19] Voice 7: signs are being requested um and i think it would be appropriate for one of the trustees to reach

[1:13:26] Voice 7: out to her directly i'm

[1:13:29] Voice 4: willing to do that and i do remember when i was looking through my

[1:13:31] Voice 4: background notes on the signage that Dem and local trust committee did approach

[1:13:36] Voice 4: a motion once for communications person and staff to come back with them so

[1:13:42] Voice 4: worried for the signage I don't know whether that happened or not that was yeah

[1:13:47] Voice 4: well exactly and then we're also wondering whether it should be a trust

[1:13:50] Voice 4: wide comprehensive signage too that's something

[1:13:52] Voice 4: but I'm going to approach

[1:13:53] Voice 4: You

[1:13:54] Trustee Fast (probable): can get in touch with Clare,

[1:13:55] Voice 4: because I know there's

[1:13:56] Trustee Fast (probable): a draft communications plan.

[1:13:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah,

[1:13:58] Voice 4: I might as well just do it, because it's been a BMI

[1:14:00] Voice 4: little bonnet for buzzing

[1:14:02] Trustee Fast (probable): along too long.

[1:14:02] Trustee Fast (probable): That would be great.

[1:14:03] Voice 4: Okay, so

[1:14:04] Trustee Fast (probable): that's a, then we can catch up on that at the next meeting, or

[1:14:10] Voice 1: if you need something.

[1:14:11] Voice 1: I move that Alex approach Clare.

[1:14:15] Voice 1: Yeah,

[1:14:15] Trustee Fast (probable): okay, I don't think we need a formal motion, he's already writing

[1:14:18] Voice 1: it down, but

[1:14:18] Trustee Fast (probable): put it on the action item.

[1:14:20] Voice 4: up just puts that means he's supporting me that's nice thank you that's

[1:14:23] Trustee Fast (probable): good okay i don't think we

[1:14:25] Trustee Fast (probable): need to vote on that but that's uh that's true thank you

[1:14:29] Voice 16: alex all

[1:14:30] Trustee Fast (probable): right okay i know i was supposed

[1:14:32] Trustee Fast (probable): to bring it back to the meeting so i did okay um so let's go on to 9.1 then page 64 um this was uh

[1:14:42] Trustee Fast (probable): this is a bylaw for an amendment to the official community plan and uh whoops sorry skipping a

[1:14:52] Trustee Fast (probable): about here um i

[1:14:57] Voice 7: can refresh everybody's memory yeah

[1:14:59] Trustee Fast (probable): could you please thank

[1:15:00] Voice 7: you because i don't

[1:15:01] Trustee Fast (probable): know if i've got the right uh yeah

[1:15:02] Voice 7: uh it might not even be in the package um we might just have

[1:15:07] Voice 7: that motion there and um it should be the title should be in there but anyway this bylaw is an

[1:15:13] Voice 7: amendment to the ocp and it was for the minimum average black area project that reese was working

[1:15:19] Voice 7: on. The reason that it's taken so long is because it's been with the Ministry and

[1:15:25] Voice 7: they have, because they have to approve our OCP amendments. Oh

[1:15:30] Voice 2: right, this is the final reading.

[1:15:32] Voice 7: Yeah, so this is, so the Executive Committee has approved this, the Ministry has approved it, and now it's back to you to give a final adoption. Thank you.

[1:15:42] Voice 7: It's already on through the first, second, and third reading. It's had a public hearing. Right.

[1:15:46] Voice 7: Yeah, and so the motion is on the agenda to adopt it.

[1:15:50] Voice 1: Is that that confusion?

[1:15:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes, it

[1:15:53] Voice 1: was the motion.

[1:15:54] Trustee Fast (probable): The motion is, okay, the motion is right here under 9.1.

[1:15:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[1:15:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, finally adopted. Okay, thank you.

[1:16:02] Trustee Fast (probable): So this, so this is the motion about the minimum area lot size.

[1:16:08] Trustee Fast (probable): So it's on the cover page, it's page 2 of our agenda. Go ahead, Grant.

[1:16:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. I'll

[1:16:12] Voice 1: move that the Wormie Island Overseas Community Model No. 166 site is Wormie Island Official Community Plan 201 for amendment No. 1, 2020 will be adopted.

[1:16:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. A second. Thank you. Any more discussion? All those in favor? Thank you. That passes unanimously, Catherine.

[1:16:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Thanks, everybody. I reviewed this agenda yesterday and the day before, and I was wishing I'd made more notes on my cover sheet.

[1:16:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so now we're going to go to agenda item 9.2, which is the addendum.

[1:16:51] Trustee Fast (probable): And so this came in a little later, and I believe you've got the cover sheet there.

[1:16:58] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm just going to make sure I've got it.

[1:17:02] Voice 1: Where?

[1:17:04] Voice 1: I don't know.

[1:17:05] Voice 7: I think the picture on this one as well.

[1:17:07] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:17:08] Voice 7: So this is regarding the Thatch Hub.

[1:17:12] Voice 1: Do you

[1:17:13] Voice 1: have it written down?

[1:17:15] Voice 7: I have the addendum. I just have a cover. I have the addendum.

[1:17:21] Voice 7: Oh good. Catherine's got it in front of her shoes.

[1:17:25] Voice 7: So that is the staff report. So just kind of where we are here secretly.

[1:17:32] Voice 7: The Fetch Club originally got a development permit. They issued a development permit.

[1:17:37] Voice 7: I think denied the original maintenance. They came back with a different proposal.

[1:17:42] Voice 7: proposal, you approved issuance of the development permit subject to

[1:17:48] Voice 7: concurrence from Comox First Nation and held off from issuing the

[1:17:54] Voice 7: development variance permit. The applicant has since gotten concurrence from

[1:17:58] Voice 7: Comox First Nation and provided us evidence of that and Comox has

[1:18:04] Voice 7: indicated that they are in concurrence with both the development permit and

[1:18:09] Voice 7: and the Variance Permit. So we are at this point asking that, or recommending that you

[1:18:17] Voice 7: issue the Variance Permit, or the Variance Permit.

[1:18:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Wait, is this the Development Permit or the Variance Permit?

[1:18:24] Trustee Fast (probable): This is the Variance Permit.

[1:18:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you. Okay, go ahead, Brett.

[1:18:30] Voice 1: I've read through it, and I can agree to the height variance because the rationale is that

[1:18:35] Voice 1: because of the um um being on that one the um they can't lower the foundation because of the

[1:18:50] Voice 1: yes they can't lower like the original plan to so they're asking for a one meter extension to

[1:18:56] Voice 1: the roof line to basically make the building so i'll go on with that but i am incredibly

[1:19:01] I

[1:19:01] Voice 1: don't be concerned about changing the sewage one

[1:19:03] Voice 1: because with the amount of the big winds we're getting

[1:19:10] Voice 1: and the tides in the winter are really washing away

[1:19:14] Voice 1: that shingle spit there.

[1:19:15] Voice 1: And to go from how many meters to,

[1:19:18] Voice 1: from 30 meters to 1850 feet,

[1:19:21] Voice 1: basically the length of this from the shoreline

[1:19:23] Voice 1: to have the septic field,

[1:19:25] Voice 1: I just, I have a little problem with that.

[1:19:28] Voice 1: To look at this thing and say that

[1:19:30] Voice 1: it's so close to the shore already and put it that close. So one of the

[1:19:34] Voice 1: recommendations here is, I forget where it is in there, but you can accept one without the

[1:19:40] Voice 1: other. That's one of the options. Heather, I can't remember where it is.

[1:19:46] Voice 1: It's one

[1:19:47] Voice 6: of the options as far as the needs of the addendum. So you can, the

[1:19:54] Voice 7: partial approval is number two.

[1:19:55] Voice 7: Right.

[1:19:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Maybe we can deal with them one at a time because I'm going to, I

[1:20:02] Trustee Fast (probable): I did read the document and noted that, for one thing, they have the engineering reports

[1:20:10] Trustee Fast (probable): and the engineer says that it can be done.

[1:20:12] Trustee Fast (probable): But also,

[1:20:13] Trustee Fast (probable): they said that they'd have to, by moving the septic bed, they'd move it into

[1:20:17] Trustee Fast (probable): the setback of the neighbor's well, if I'm reading that correctly.

[1:20:22] Trustee Fast (probable): and I thought that made sense that that was why it was professional engineers' assessment

[1:20:33] Trustee Fast (probable): and rationale that the proposed location of the sewage disposal field for this development

[1:20:37] Trustee Fast (probable): exceeds, and also that it exceeds the regulations requirements for a type 1 septic tank.

[1:20:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you.

[1:20:50] Trustee Fast (probable): So I guess the applicant has entered the room.

[1:20:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Hello there.

[1:20:54] Trustee Fast (probable): And we're just on your topic, I imagine you've been watching in the car, I'm guessing, yes.

[1:21:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so I'll give you a chance to speak.

[1:21:02] Voice 10: No, I

[1:21:03] Voice 10: wasn't watching the car, I just got here actually.

[1:21:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, well perfect timing. Am I correct on that, that the professional engineer's assessment is here and that's partly why staff recommend that we accept this variance?

[1:21:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes,

[1:21:24] Voice 7: there are three bits of rationale that we've provided that are shown on page 5 of the addendum.

[1:21:31] Voice 7: The first one is, as we say, that this setback that they're proposing actually exceeds the requirements from the province.

[1:21:39] Voice 7: The second is that is the neighbor's well.

[1:21:44] Voice 7: And the third one is that the proposed location will cause less disturbance to the First Nations archaeological remains on the site because less excavation would be required.

[1:21:58] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:21:59] Trustee Fast (probable): So that was interesting to me.

[1:22:03] Trustee Fast (probable): And also it says here that might actually improve the performance.

[1:22:06] Trustee Fast (probable): But go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[1:22:07] Trustee Fast (probable): When

[1:22:08] Voice 4: I read this, I didn't

[1:22:09] Voice 4: get an impression that Clomox First Nations approved this yet.

[1:22:12] Voice 7: And that's because this staff report was the last one that you saw.

[1:22:16] Voice 7: You don't have an updated staff report because we just got that information.

[1:22:21] Voice 7: So

[1:22:21] Voice 4: how come we never see this correspondence anymore at all?

[1:22:24] Voice 4: How come we don't get to see the actual correspondence that Clomox First Nations has?

[1:22:29] Voice 7: We put forward that to you.

[1:22:31] Voice 7: It's just

[1:22:31] Voice 7: that we received it, I think, yesterday or the day before, so it's been very, very recent.

[1:22:36] Voice 7: and this wasn't actually

[1:22:38] Voice 7: even on the agenda until

[1:22:40] Voice 7: So

[1:22:41] Voice 1: you're not going to include that First Nations

[1:22:43] Voice 1: correspondence in the

[1:22:45] Voice 1: package?

[1:22:46] Voice 7: We might if the First Nation has

[1:22:49] Voice 7: provided us

[1:22:50] Voice 7: confirmation that they're okay with it being included

[1:22:53] Voice 7: but they don't

[1:22:54] Voice 7: Yeah

[1:22:56] Trustee Fast (probable): The rules around

[1:22:59] Trustee Fast (probable): rights to see correspondence

[1:23:01] Trustee Fast (probable): and all that kind of thing are a little different

[1:23:03] Trustee Fast (probable): between nations

[1:23:05] Trustee Fast (probable): but

[1:23:06] Voice 4: then because of the fact that Grant and I

[1:23:08] Voice 4: passed a motion where we've gone over and above

[1:23:11] Voice 4: in terms of consent

[1:23:16] Voice 4: instead of going to the archaeology branch

[1:23:19] Voice 4: we're sending directly to them so I would think they wouldn't have an issue

[1:23:21] Voice 4: with providing us correspondence frankly

[1:23:24] Voice 4: well

[1:23:25] Trustee Fast (probable): they did provide it to staff

[1:23:26] Trustee Fast (probable): and Heather can confirm that verbally

[1:23:30] Trustee Fast (probable): with us today and so I'm asking

[1:23:34] Trustee Fast (probable): if there's any more questions for the planner because then I'll give the

[1:23:39] Trustee Fast (probable): applicant a chance to speak as well. Go ahead Chris.

[1:23:41] Voice 1: I want to pose a question to the

[1:23:43] Voice 1: applicant.

[1:23:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, well then let's allow the applicant to present now that the planner

[1:23:49] Trustee Fast (probable): has presented her report and it's in front of us here with the

[1:23:53] Trustee Fast (probable): recommendations and now according to our public participation guidelines when the

[1:24:00] Trustee Fast (probable): application comes before the LTC for a decision staff present a report and

[1:24:03] Trustee Fast (probable): recommendations and then the applicant may speak in order to indicate their

[1:24:07] Trustee Fast (probable): concurrence with the report and recommendations or to advise the LTC of

[1:24:11] Trustee Fast (probable): any errors or omissions and so please go ahead. Five minutes if you want to say

[1:24:27] Voice 10: I just want to say that these two variants that we've asked for are basically at the

[1:24:32] Voice 10: request of First Nations, KFN, as well as a set that they, when we shut down for six

[1:24:38] Voice 10: months last year, part of the process was in assigning an addendum to our archaeology

[1:24:44] Voice 10: permit. It's a two-page addendum. There's a lot of information and it talks about repatriating

[1:24:49] Voice 10: remains and having a ceremony, increasing archaeology from 10% to 25% and a whole bunch

[1:24:55] Voice 10: of things. One of them was they wanted to re-look at our plans and see if they could

[1:24:59] Voice 10: find some way that we could reduce our excavation on site. So that's what we've been working

[1:25:04] Voice 10: on for the last few months. So that's what we've done. And as of right now, the two variants

[1:25:10] Voice 10: actually looking for for the height. The building, they're at the bottom of the project, so they're

[1:25:14] Voice 10: actually lower than those two buildings you already see, so there's no real impact on anybody for the

[1:25:17] Voice 10: height, but what that does is it reduces our excavation by three feet over 2,000 square foot

[1:25:23] Voice 10: foundation, so this building here is probably maybe a thousand square feet, picture four times

[1:25:29] Voice 10: the size, three feet of material, less for excavating, and part of that's already in a known

[1:25:34] Voice 10: midden, let alone what we may find on the other excavation. Likewise with the septic field, it's better

[1:25:43] Voice 10: ground forward and less midden than we think we're going to find based on some tests. So before we

[1:25:48] Voice 10: started the project, we did like 50 test holes 10 feet apart, two feet down to see what we might find

[1:25:54] Voice 10: so we kind of know what's where. So we don't really need these variances we've asked for, but

[1:26:00] Voice 10: KFN has asked us to bring that forward and they've now agreed that we've done the right thing and

[1:26:05] Voice 10: that's what they're asking for and we'd like to do it too because it's obviously better for us

[1:26:09] Voice 10: than ripping the ground all apart and that's quite quite a load of material to be pulling

[1:26:12] Voice 10: out pulling back in so there's no effect aesthetically it's just it's a it's better

[1:26:18] Voice 10: for everybody to do what we're doing so that's kind of where we're at thank

[1:26:21] Trustee Fast (probable): you to reduce the

[1:26:23] Trustee Fast (probable): reduce the amount of excavation yeah

[1:26:25] Voice 10: we each our plans when I calculated and we did those

[1:26:28] Voice 10: two plans plus the septic field change is a reduction in half of what we're going to excavate

[1:26:33] Voice 10: and to put in perspective it's over 100 picture of a gravel truckload of material it's it's 100

[1:26:40] Voice 10: truckloads less material we'd be excavating thank you and testing so it's a pretty dramatic change

[1:26:45] Voice 10: so

[1:26:45] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you questions for the applicant go ahead grant

[1:26:48] Voice 1: i don't have any problem at all

[1:26:49] Voice 1: the rationale that's in there the problem i have is with the sewage because moving out closer

[1:26:59] Voice 1: to the water, at 50 feet, 16 meters, it isn't very far, and just the amount of erosion that's

[1:27:07] Voice 1: going on around, all the way along there from the tides and the winds in the wintertime,

[1:27:11] Voice 1: I just find that 50 feet from there, the water is rising, it's not going to take very much

[1:27:16] Voice 1: before that thing would be in trouble the way I see it.

[1:27:19] Voice 1: Now, did Comox say that they approved, that they wanted this variance?

[1:27:24] Voice 1: Yes, they

[1:27:25] Voice 1: said anything that could

[1:27:26] Voice 10: reduce excavation they'd support, and that was in

[1:27:28] Voice 10: the variances so they they specifically supported this variance it was part

[1:27:33] Voice 10: of the variance application

[1:27:33] Voice 10: so i'm assuming they did that to their letters that they supported variances the two numbers

[1:27:37] Voice 10: yes for that confirmation what we're going to do is because we don't know we suspect there's

[1:27:43] Voice 10: some other men there possibly we're not going to necessarily go that far forward we've got if we

[1:27:49] Voice 10: move forward half the fields not to move anyway move it back there's overlap so we're going to

[1:27:55] Voice 10: dig right where the fields are going to be dark whether it goes forward or backwards see what we find

[1:27:59] Voice 10: we may find that we end up doing it back where it was it's just going to depend on what we find

[1:28:04] Voice 10: is Comox going to be

[1:28:05] Voice 10: involved when they're doing that Comox is there for every move and trust me

[1:28:11] Voice 10: as of right now we're probably at 160 000 in archaeology fees down in there so there's four

[1:28:17] Voice 10: of them all the time there so any digging right to the other project they'll be there okay okay

[1:28:23] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:28:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. Any more questions, trustees, for the applicant or for the planner?

[1:28:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Then I'm going to entertain a motion.

[1:28:33] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm looking at the... I'm actually looking at the top of page 2 of 29 in the addendum.

[1:28:41] Voice 1: I'd like to see what the call looks like.

[1:28:45] Voice 1: That's not real. I take your word for it. I just want it.

[1:28:51] Trustee Fast (probable): You're going to take Regional Planning Manager Cower's word for it?

[1:28:59] Voice 10: I've seen the email.

[1:29:02] Voice 4: I could see

[1:29:03] Voice 10: Rick Grant's concerns.

[1:29:04] Voice 10: I've seen it. I've seen it. It said categorically, the first email said we support variances, and then the planner went back and said,

[1:29:13] Voice 10: could you please confirm differently? So he said, we confirm, we agree with variance, DVP, blah, blah, blah.

[1:29:20] Voice 10: And so I've seen the email. It was copied to Todd Boychuk and the KFN and the planner.

[1:29:26] Voice 10: or so. Okay, I see that. Okay,

[1:29:31] Trustee Fast (probable): well Heather is, I

[1:29:32] Voice 1: did, yeah.

[1:29:34] Voice 1: Now you got this just recently. It

[1:29:36] Voice 7: was within the last couple days.

[1:29:38] Voice 1: So will you pull it up? It's at RA? Yeah. I

[1:29:43] Voice 7: don't see it, but in the

[1:29:44] Voice 1: meantime, what am I doing for it? Am I moving it or seconding it? You're going to move it. Okay, I'll move it. Move it.

[1:29:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so here it is. Yeah.

[1:29:53] Voice 1: That the Ormeado Trust Committee approve the assuring the development of the Ferret Permit H.O.

[1:30:00] Voice 1: dvp 2022.1 thank you

[1:30:04] Trustee Fast (probable): do i have a seconder alex allen has seconded that any more discussion or

[1:30:08] Trustee Fast (probable): questions all in favor one two three hands went up that passes unanimously catherine okay thank

[1:30:16] Trustee Fast (probable): you that's just for the um for the record our minutes recorder is in this phone okay thank you

[1:30:23] Trustee Fast (probable): just had a couple of other people enter the room all right that's the dvp and then and

[1:30:32] Trustee Fast (probable): And was the other one here, too?

[1:30:39] Trustee Fast (probable): This is the only recommendation from this report?

[1:30:42] Voice 7: Sorry.

[1:30:45] Voice 7: For this proposal, we're going to move on.

[1:30:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that it for 9.2?

[1:30:50] Trustee Fast (probable): That is it.

[1:30:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, good.

[1:30:52] Trustee Fast (probable): I just wanted to make sure we weren't missing anything before we moved on.

[1:30:56] Voice 9: Yes.

[1:30:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:30:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Sorry to disturb you there.

[1:30:58] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to go on to 10.1, then.

[1:31:00] Trustee Fast (probable): This is an item that we added to the budget.

[1:31:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Jack.

[1:31:04] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:31:05] Trustee Fast (probable): And now we're going to talk about the official community plan and housing and changes that we might make with the $15,000 budget that has come to us through voting of Trust Council at the March 2022 Trust Council meeting.

[1:31:26] Trustee Fast (probable): So we don't have anything in the agenda for this because it was all kind of short notice, but you've got some slides or something.

[1:31:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that what the slides are for?

[1:31:34] Voice 7: I did send you all some slides, and we don't have any printouts,

[1:31:38] Voice 7: but I'm actually seeing a whiteboard in the back that I could draw on.

[1:31:42] Voice 7: Oh, yes.

[1:31:43] Voice 7: If everybody would like to see that.

[1:31:45] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:31:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Please go ahead.

[1:31:47] Trustee Fast (probable): All right.

[1:31:48] Trustee Fast (probable): So we're going to get a different kind of presentation here.

[1:31:51] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to leave this camera here.

[1:31:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:31:55] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:31:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Bye-bye.

[1:32:04] Voice 8: Sure.

[1:32:05] Voice 8: All right.

[1:32:07] Voice 7: from one of the trustees about

[1:32:09] Voice 7: we got $15,000

[1:32:11] Voice 7: to work on this OCP project

[1:32:14] Voice 7: to respond to the APC

[1:32:16] Voice 7: recommendations

[1:32:18] Voice 7: and I think

[1:32:20] Voice 7: originally when we wrote the business case for that

[1:32:22] Voice 7: we were proposing

[1:32:24] Voice 7: that Island's Trust

[1:32:26] Voice 7: hire a consultant

[1:32:27] Voice 7: who would then do the work

[1:32:29] Voice 7: on implementing

[1:32:31] Voice 7: APC work

[1:32:34] Voice 7: and I think

[1:32:36] Voice 7: the assumption was that it was because

[1:32:38] Voice 7: we didn't have the staff capacity to to do it so um so regardless of who actually does the work

[1:32:46] Voice 7: there is a basic process that has to happen there have to be two bylaws one is the

[1:32:52] Voice 7: ocp bylaw and

[1:32:53] Voice 7: what is the oh that doesn't matter and don't

[1:32:55] Trustee Fast (probable): worry about timing i'm waiting for trustee allen to

[1:32:58] Trustee Fast (probable): rejoin us oh

[1:32:59] Voice 7: okay disappeared so we have an ocp bylaw and we're going to have an lub bylaw and

[1:33:06] Voice 7: And all of those have to go through those readings, so first, second,

[1:33:14] Voice 15: and public hearing.

[1:33:25] Voice 7: Then, when I was stressed, they have to go to EC for approval, the ministry for approval, and then adoption, final adoption of the bylaws.

[1:33:37] Voice 7: Like

[1:33:37] Voice 2: we just did.

[1:33:38] Voice 2: Like

[1:33:38] Voice 7: we just did, right.

[1:33:39] Voice 7: And those, the bylaws that we were just adopting were administrative bylaws, so it didn't require a public hearing, which is why we could read all three of those at once.

[1:33:48] Voice 7: But for these, they do require a public hearing, and we have to have that before third reading.

[1:33:57] Voice 7: So that is the basic process both of these bylaws have to go through.

[1:34:00] Voice 7: Through engagement, you know, we are required at this point, somewhere in here, we are required to refer these, or to consider a referral of the bylaws, including to First Nations, once the bylaws are drafted.

[1:34:18] Voice 7: And the public hearing is one aspect of public engagement that we are required by legislation to do.

[1:34:25] Voice 7: There is no other public engagement that is required by legislation, other than the fact

[1:34:32] Voice 7: that all of the readings have to be done in public meetings, and all those agendas are

[1:34:38] Voice 7: there.

[1:34:39] Voice 7: So, public engagement can occur before first reading, and it can happen after, kind of

[1:34:48] Voice 7: anywhere in between, if it's discretionary.

[1:34:52] Voice 7: At Island's Trust, we typically do at least one community information meeting, and we will typically do one adjacent to a local care.

[1:35:05] Voice 7: So the $15,000 that we have, it can go a few ways.

[1:35:15] Voice 7: If we hire a consultant to do this work, we're essentially hiring that person to draft the bylaws.

[1:35:25] Voice 7: And there's a fair number of hours involved in that and getting the recommendations and then updating, you know, you're taking recommendations and amending the existing bylaws.

[1:35:39] Voice 7: A consultant, the average going rate for consultants at the moment is about $150 an hour.

[1:35:47] Voice 7: And so the entire $15,000, we used all of it for consulting time, would cover about

[1:35:54] Voice 7: 100 consulting hours.

[1:35:57] Voice 7: And from past experience at Avedon's trust, that would get you through third reading.

[1:36:05] Voice 7: If all they were doing was drafting the bylaw and bringing, and drafting staff reports and

[1:36:13] Voice 7: bringing them back to the trust, to the trustees to review.

[1:36:16] Voice 7: It wouldn't, none of those hours would actually be covering public engagement sessions, you know.

[1:36:25] Voice 7: So, if you want to do public engagement, if you want to use some of that $15,000 for public engagement outside of consultant hours,

[1:36:36] Voice 7: you really, it's really just kind of a matter of deciding what kind of public engagement you want to do and when in the process.

[1:36:42] Voice 7: You know, we heard a comment earlier that there's some feeling from some folks that

[1:36:48] Voice 7: the public engagement should happen before first reading is drafted, and that's a common,

[1:36:53] Voice 7: I think, a common feeling, and that can look any number of ways.

[1:36:58] Voice 7: That could be a meeting, a community meeting, it could be several community meetings, it

[1:37:05] Voice 7: It could be an online survey, it could be a mailed out survey, it could be, you know,

[1:37:12] Voice 7: it could be any number of different kinds of things.

[1:37:15] Voice 7: Each of those things has a certain cost associated with it.

[1:37:19] Voice 7: The public hearing itself, any time we have a public meeting, it costs us around $800.

[1:37:27] Voice 7: And that's primarily advertising for the meeting.

[1:37:31] Voice 7: You're doing, when you run full, you're doing, you know, refreshments maybe if you're doing that, and you're doing materials for that.

[1:37:39] Voice 7: We do have SurveyMonkey available to us, so the survey itself doesn't actually cost us anything specifically for that survey or development of the survey.

[1:37:53] Voice 7: And those are kind of the two main things we've been using, is these community information meetings and the surveys.

[1:38:02] Voice 7: So that's kind of where we're at. And what we haven't talked about here is First Nations.

[1:38:09] Voice 7: There have been, when First Nations are asked to, when we confer with them,

[1:38:18] Voice 7: There is some expectation that they actually get paid for that time, and so the budget

[1:38:24] Voice 7: would be expected to include some of that unless we asked for capacity funding from

[1:38:29] Voice 7: some other sources.

[1:38:30] Voice 7: I understand that there isn't much in our budget this year for that.

[1:38:35] Voice 7: Once we have a bylaw drafted and we send it out for referral, there's no cost associated

[1:38:42] Voice 7: with this referral.

[1:38:43] Voice 7: It's all done by email.

[1:38:44] Voice 7: now. But any kind of preliminary review by First Asian Committee, I have a budget in

[1:38:51] mind.

[1:38:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. So this means that it sounds like you're proposing that consultants might not

[1:39:03] Trustee Fast (probable): be the way to go and might be better to do it just through staff and some of the tools

[1:39:07] Trustee Fast (probable): you've got?

[1:39:09] Voice 7: Well, that's the question is, do we have staff coming to do it? You know, any of the

[1:39:15] Voice 7: administrative work that's associated with any of this, so getting things posted to your agendas and all that,

[1:39:21] but we're assuming that existing NLHS staff are going to be doing it.

[1:39:25] The public hearing includes a binder that has to be, you

[1:39:29] Voice 7: know, all of that is existing NLHS staff.

[1:39:34] Voice 7: You need a planner to draft your by-law and your staff reports, and there may be some capacity to do that.

[1:39:45] I'll

[1:39:45] Voice 7: say there's probably some capacity to do that but in terms of the public engagement and

[1:39:53] Voice 7: I'll say you know for Denman for instance they have a project in which their their funds are

[1:39:59] Voice 7: really about public engagement and the RFP that we've got going up for a consultant is all about

[1:40:05] Voice 7: public engagement and isn't associated with the drafting that that consultant's going to be

[1:40:11] Voice 7: drafting bylaws. Right,

[1:40:13] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you. I've got Wendy first and then Grant. Is that all right Grant?

[1:40:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay

[1:40:18] Voice 18: please go ahead

[1:40:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Wendy, hand that out. So

[1:40:20] Voice 18: I have some questions about sort of the process.

[1:40:24] Voice 18: Is it possible for us in this community, the local trustees and the next generation of the APC to

[1:40:34] Voice 18: to have a meeting of the community before we start drafting the bylaws to address some of the issues that Donna has raised, for example.

[1:40:50] Voice 18: To talk about how the recommendations were created, what was the process, but also to get some feedback on, you know, I mean, it's a recommendation.

[1:41:00] Voice 18: yeah so before we kind of get on the runway because i think often folk in the community

[1:41:06] Voice 18: feel like by the time we get on the runway it seems incorrigible and and while surveys are

[1:41:13] Voice 18: valuable there's something about being able to sit in a room and talk to people uh and and talk

[1:41:18] Voice 18: about what's going on where did these recommendations are the next day pc and i don't know if this is an

[1:41:24] Voice 18: an appropriate process but i just feel like well

[1:41:29] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah to just jump in for a second i just want to

[1:41:32] Trustee Fast (probable): recognize all the work that the apc has done on here so maybe you could put a square at the far

[1:41:37] Trustee Fast (probable): end there about the work that the apc has already put into it and and the the consultation they've

[1:41:44] Trustee Fast (probable): done to just have it sort of recognized on the uh slide there okay uh thank you wendy and i just um

[1:41:51] Trustee Fast (probable): We can come back to you again too, but go ahead Trustee Scott.

[1:41:56] Voice 1: It seems to me what we need, and I agree, because I was thinking the same thing.

[1:42:01] Voice 1: We need almost something from the community before we get into that wrong process.

[1:42:05] Voice 1: But I think what we need before we, there's nothing worse than going and meeting us open,

[1:42:09] Voice 1: that you don't have, so my thought is, number one, we need a kind of a work plan

[1:42:14] Voice 1: that sort of says that, and who's going to, what are the roles that are going to be in there?

[1:42:19] Voice 1: Where does the consultant fit in? Where do the planners fit in? Where does the EPC fit in? Where do we fit in?

[1:42:25] Voice 9: Because

[1:42:25] Voice 1: a work plan, if you take that to the community, people can see what you're going to do.

[1:42:30] Voice 9: And

[1:42:30] Voice 1: the second thing, I think what we want to do before, if we almost had some kind of a draft or something to take,

[1:42:40] Voice 1: this is maybe what the consultant could look at, is develop a kind of a model or look around and see what could be done

[1:42:49] Voice 1: to looking at the points that the APC has recommended.

[1:42:52] Voice 1: So you go to the meeting, you A, here's the plan to do it,

[1:42:56] Voice 1: and B, here's a draft of something you can beat on, you can look at.

[1:43:00] Voice 1: Otherwise, you're going to go with an open question to the community,

[1:43:04] Voice 1: which gets into this huge, so I think that

[1:43:10] Voice 1: work plan is the key

[1:43:11] Voice 1: so people understand that because I don't think everybody...

[1:43:15] Voice 1: And

[1:43:16] Voice 7: we would be drafting a project charter that typically has a list of milestones in it and has all of those drafts on it too.

[1:43:26] Voice 7: So we definitely would be drafting a project charter on that, but I think it's good to have this discussion before we wrap.

[1:43:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Good. Okay. Thank you. Hang on, please. I'm going to go to Trustee Allen.

[1:43:40] Voice 4: I will say, yes, I agree with Wendy and Grant in terms of doing something before.

[1:43:47] Voice 4: My concern, and I've witnessed it many times, is when you do have public meetings, the loudest

[1:43:53] Voice 4: voice is the one that gets heard all the time.

[1:43:56] Voice 4: And I do find, and the survey monkey, forget it, because you can go in there as many times

[1:44:04] Voice 4: as you want and fill it in.

[1:44:05] Voice 4: and there's no, you can do multiple responses with SurveyMonkey,

[1:44:10] Voice 4: so I'm a bit concerned about that.

[1:44:13] Voice 4: I mean, our draft, we have just what the APC has given us.

[1:44:16] Voice 4: We have the recommendations.

[1:44:17] Voice 4: I don't see anything else more.

[1:44:20] Voice 4: It's very worded very well.

[1:44:22] Voice 4: It's not complicated.

[1:44:26] Voice 4: And then in terms of just getting soliciting feedback,

[1:44:29] Voice 4: I mean, at the most, it's all the letters we get.

[1:44:31] Voice 4: That's huge, and that's great,

[1:44:33] Voice 4: because a lot of people don't want to come to meetings

[1:44:35] Voice 4: meetings are filled, especially with vacation rentals, it's very divisive on the silence

[1:44:39] Voice 4: still, that there will be those people and those people, and so I'd like to encourage

[1:44:46] Voice 4: writing, submitting letters, yeah, and if there is going to be a public meeting, a mediator

[1:44:54] Voice 4: or a staff member, because it's just going to, yeah.

[1:44:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, and let me ask a question of the regional planning manager. Do we have, is it possible

[1:45:06] Trustee Fast (probable): for SurveyMonkey, or I know there's some survey tools that do allow you to use tokens so that

[1:45:12] Trustee Fast (probable): people could only submit once, which makes it easier for people to trust the input that

[1:45:21] Trustee Fast (probable): is received.

[1:45:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Would that be possible?

[1:45:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, and there is

[1:45:25] Voice 7: a built-in function in SurveyMonkey that lets you keep track of IP

[1:45:31] Voice 7: addresses and where they're coming from.

[1:45:34] Voice 7: Now, we have recently actually found an issue with Liskey Island that for the Islands Trust

[1:45:45] Voice 7: 2050 event, it turns out that everything coming from Liskey Island has one IP address, so

[1:45:51] Voice 7: it all looks, so no matter how many people, yeah.

[1:45:54] Voice 7: So that, in fact, there's still some recent issues with that happening, but if that's

[1:45:58] Voice 7: not the case, I'm worried.

[1:46:00] Voice 7: Might be okay, I'm not.

[1:46:01] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:46:02] Voice 7: but that is typically how certification works is that you track the IP address.

[1:46:05] Voice 7: Great and

[1:46:06] Trustee Fast (probable): then you do you see whether you've got duplicates.

[1:46:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay good so that might help and hang on I'm going to see

[1:46:18] Trustee Fast (probable): what I wanted to ask before we maybe we don't need to go to public

[1:46:23] Trustee Fast (probable): comments because I wanted to find out Grant is this meeting your

[1:46:30] Trustee Fast (probable): this discussion helping you with your thinking around what to do with the

[1:46:35] Trustee Fast (probable): $15,000 because I'm hearing the regional planning manager say they're gonna come

[1:46:39] Trustee Fast (probable): back with the project charter which is a sort of a work plan and you could

[1:46:44] Trustee Fast (probable): outline it as a work plan would that meet the needs? Not

[1:46:49] Voice 1: sure but I want to hear from Donna.

[1:46:51] Voice 1: Well she put her hand up a while ago so let's go.

[1:46:54] Trustee Fast (probable): This yeah but this is our

[1:46:56] Trustee Fast (probable): our meeting grant and

[1:46:57] Voice 1: uh okay no it's horny's meeting and she put her hand up a little while

[1:47:00] Voice 1: ago so let's hopefully let her speak let her ask her question i'm respectful

[1:47:05] Voice 1: of time it's not that

[1:47:08] Trustee Fast (probable): it's respectful of time grant it's just that this is the meeting the business meeting of the local

[1:47:12] Trustee Fast (probable): trust committee wendy is speaking wendy is the chair of our volunteer advisory committee and

[1:47:19] Trustee Fast (probable): she had just reported the um and her report is on the agenda she's part of our agenda today so

[1:47:25] Trustee Fast (probable): So maybe I should have made that clearer.

[1:47:27] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to ask whether...

[1:47:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Let

[1:47:31] Voice 1: her ask her question.

[1:47:32] Voice 1: This is a horrible meeting.

[1:47:34] Voice 1: These people came here to be part of the meeting.

[1:47:37] Voice 1: That's what it's about in my mind.

[1:47:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Grant, you're the ones who wanted to be out of here by 1.30, right?

[1:47:43] Voice 1: No, I didn't say 1.30.

[1:47:44] Voice 1: But anyway...

[1:47:46] Voice 1: We've got

[1:47:46] Trustee Fast (probable): a closed meeting following this,

[1:47:48] Trustee Fast (probable): in case you're wondering why I'm going on about timing.

[1:47:52] Trustee Fast (probable): This is a business meeting.

[1:47:54] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't know if this happens in other business meetings on Hornby Island.

[1:47:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Please go ahead.

[1:47:58] Trustee Fast (probable): One minute, please.

[1:47:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, thank you.

[1:47:59] Voice 6: I could have finished before all of that.

[1:48:01] Voice 6: I think that they received a very clear report and clear recommendations.

[1:48:05] Voice 6: I think that's good enough to take to the community to get feedback before we get into actually paying for planners to write bylaws and going to the next step.

[1:48:14] Voice 6: So I think because of the clarity of their report and the work they've done, and I certainly didn't mean in my previous discussion to say that they hadn't.

[1:48:22] Voice 6: I think they did good work.

[1:48:23] Voice 6: The other thing I'd like to know is if you do get public meetings,

[1:48:26] Voice 6: does that include the stakeholders in Vancouver and Victoria like we did in 2012?

[1:48:29] Voice 6: I'd like you to keep that in mind as well.

[1:48:31] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:48:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:48:34] Trustee Fast (probable): That's a good point because we – who comes to these meetings?

[1:48:39] Trustee Fast (probable): The thing about a survey is that you can put it out more broadly to the off-island property owners.

[1:48:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Would they be involved in this?

[1:48:48] Trustee Fast (probable): They do

[1:48:49] Voice 7: to the extent that you want it.

[1:48:50] Voice 7: So, and this is kind of where we're going with this is public engagement is up to you and how broad you want to do it and how much of that budget you want to spend on it.

[1:49:00] Voice 7: I will say, too, that, you know, on Muskegon Island, where they're currently working on their OCP, they had a community, a completely community-based process done in which they did have,

[1:49:15] Voice 7: they actually had several community meetings in which they discussed each topic, right, and then they came up with recommendations.

[1:49:23] Voice 7: I'm not saying that you should do that. I'm just saying that there's some

[1:49:26] Voice 7: precedent for community-based discussion around these kinds of topics.

[1:49:31] Voice 7: And if you have the APC recommendations as sort of your baseline, that seems like a good place to start.

[1:49:39] Voice 7: Because of the discussion, you're anticipating that it could be contentious, maybe it's worth part of your budget going to a mediator and having a professional facilitator for a meeting or two, or having a mediator.

[1:49:55] Voice 7: And then you're not having a community member who's that, you know, who's mediating.

[1:50:01] Voice 7: right yeah thank

[1:50:04] Trustee Fast (probable): you or say an off-island chair who's not sure about local ways to do things

[1:50:10] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee allen yeah

[1:50:12] Voice 4: i just don't want to steer away from the survey to be honest because everybody's

[1:50:15] Voice 4: always they have issues the way it's worded or it's state biased or it's something else and uh

[1:50:21] Voice 4: i don't know why can't we just post uh what the apc's recommendations on our website and uh

[1:50:28] Voice 4: solicit comments, you know, people

[1:50:30] Voice 4: that's, people, like a survey, it's the open

[1:50:32] Voice 4: ended answers that you want to read, you don't want

[1:50:34] Voice 4: to read the multiple choice

[1:50:35] Voice 4: answers, so

[1:50:38] Voice 4: I'd recommend that way.

[1:50:39] Voice 4: Any

[1:50:40] Voice 7: ideas I've heard, so certainly

[1:50:42] Voice 7: maybe I'm able to

[1:50:44] Voice 7: make a question about that,

[1:50:46] Voice 7: and

[1:50:48] Voice 7: advertising

[1:50:50] Voice 7: the availability of

[1:50:53] Voice 7: APC recommendations,

[1:50:57] Voice 7: community

[1:50:57] Voice 7: mediating or more, because those are the ones I've heard so far, with the professional

[1:51:08] Voice 7: facilities.

[1:51:10] Trustee Fast (probable): I think we heard mediator, yeah.

[1:51:12] Voice 4: It's like, yeah, in another province.

[1:51:16] Trustee Fast (probable): From another province?

[1:51:18] Voice 4: Yeah. Okay. Got it.

[1:51:19] Voice 1: And that would

[1:51:20] Voice 4: be very safe.

[1:51:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, and I'm going to go to

[1:51:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Scott.

[1:51:23] Voice 1: Okay, I have two things. First of all,

[1:51:25] Voice 1: that we need on the island, you know, Sally Campbell, so whether that's the right person

[1:51:33] Voice 1: or not, I don't know, but I mean, there's somebody on the island who would...

[1:51:35] Voice 1: There's a few.

[1:51:37] Voice 1: So the second point is, you mentioned a project charter. Would that be kind of like a work

[1:51:42] Voice 1: plan that would lay out?

[1:51:45] Voice 7: Yeah, yeah. The way that we normally do it is we have a project charter, and it has major

[1:51:50] Voice 7: milestones that are built into it, but we do have a way to do a work plan that is more

[1:51:54] Voice 7: detailed you know and we do have some structure on them could

[1:51:58] Voice 1: you do that by the next week yeah okay

[1:52:01] Voice 1: yeah that's what i would like to do okay

[1:52:04] Voice 4: sorry one more

[1:52:06] Voice 13: thing yeah and you mentioned a while ago

[1:52:08] Voice 13: i know when

[1:52:08] Voice 4: we look at the process it could be longer but you mentioned it could be just a year

[1:52:13] Voice 4: yeah okay that's good okay

[1:52:16] Voice 13: all right

[1:52:17] Trustee Fast (probable): did you want to make them i'd

[1:52:18] Voice 1: like to um request

[1:52:22] Trustee Fast (probable): That the LTC request staff?

[1:52:24] Voice 1: Yeah, that the LTC request staff take it out of the project charter, which will have a

[1:52:31] detailed work plan for the

[1:52:34] Voice 1: recommendations from the Advisory Planning Commission.

[1:52:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Regarding this project?

[1:52:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[1:52:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[1:52:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:52:42] Trustee Fast (probable): And do I have a seconder?

[1:52:45] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:52:45] Voice 3: Can I hear the wording again, please?

[1:52:47] Voice 3: Catherine,

[1:52:48] Trustee Fast (probable): did you catch that?

[1:52:50] Voice 11: I think so.

[1:53:03] Voice 11: I

[1:53:03] Voice 1: don't think we need to have, I think based on the APC's recommendations.

[1:53:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Based on the APC's recommendations?

[1:53:12] Voice 4: Yeah, it's in detail.

[1:53:13] Voice 4: It's obviously, it's going to be detailed.

[1:53:14] Voice 4: It's redundant.

[1:53:15] Voice 4: We just need a project charter based on the APC's recommendations.

[1:53:18] Voice 4: No, what I was using, I was using Heather's words.

[1:53:21] Voice 4: Yeah,

[1:53:21] Trustee Fast (probable): she said they did have a more detailed version.

[1:53:24] Voice 4: Yeah, well, that's what it is.

[1:53:25] Voice 4: It's a detailed version, so why say a detailed version of a detailed version?

[1:53:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Do I have – I think you seconded that, did you?

[1:53:32] Voice 4: No, I didn't.

[1:53:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[1:53:34] Voice 11: So, without –

[1:53:35] Voice 11: That's a warning on the local request.

[1:53:40] Voice 11: Okay, so do you second it?

[1:53:52] Voice 4: Reluctantly.

[1:53:53] Voice 4: As an editor, no.

[1:53:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[1:53:56] Trustee Fast (probable): For the record, could you raise your hand?

[1:53:58] Trustee Fast (probable): As a trustee, yes.

[1:53:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:53:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:53:59] Voice 15: Trustee Allen

[1:54:00] Trustee Fast (probable): has raised his hand and seconded the motion.

[1:54:03] Trustee Fast (probable): And any more discussion? All those in favor? Very good. Three hands went up, Catherine.

[1:54:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much, Heather. And thank you to the APC again.

[1:54:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so that's 10.1. And we'll revisit that. By the way, everybody, there's only two more meetings left in the schedule for Hornby.

[1:54:23] Trustee Fast (probable): So this is great that you think it can come back that quickly.

[1:54:30] Trustee Fast (probable): I think when we get to the projects. We're scheduled for a break around now. We can stop here and then come back and deal with correspondence.

[1:54:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Would people be okay if we have, they've got us down for a half hour break here.

[1:54:51] Trustee Fast (probable): They've got us down for a half hour break. We're hearing from Trustee Allen that we'd like a shorter one.

[1:54:58] Trustee Fast (probable): and everybody's liking a shorter one

[1:55:00] Trustee Fast (probable): so do we want to take 15 minutes or 10 minutes

[1:55:03] Voice 1: 10 is good

[1:55:04] Voice 1: 10

[1:55:04] Trustee Fast (probable): is good for me

[1:55:05] Voice 1: you

[1:55:05] Voice 17: said that we had to talk to Heather during the break

[1:55:08] Voice 17: yep

[1:55:09] Voice 17: I know

[1:55:10] Trustee Fast (probable): it's hard for Heather to talk

[1:55:12] Trustee Fast (probable): as long as I can go to the bathroom

[1:55:14] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah

[1:55:14] Voice 8: okay

[1:55:17] Voice 8: so

[1:55:17] Trustee Fast (probable): then we're going to reconvene

[1:55:19] Trustee Fast (probable): and we'll try for

[1:55:21] Trustee Fast (probable): 10 minutes or should I say 15

[1:55:23] Trustee Fast (probable): yes let's have 15

[1:55:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Fifteen, because the other's got to be the one

[1:55:27] Voice 12: at the top.

[1:55:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Fifteen. Okay, so we'll come back at quarter to twelve. Twelve forty five.

[1:55:45] Voice 8: Okay. No,

[1:55:46] Voice 12: I can't. I can't.

[1:55:49] Voice 8: I can't. I can't point to the pool. I should say, right now.

[1:56:19] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:57:08] Voice 4: Is this one not acceptable?

[1:57:10] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:57:11] Voice 4: You know, I've just seen Grant's dance art collection.

[1:57:16] Voice 4: It's really, like, very nice and in-depth.

[1:57:19] Voice 4: I mean,

[1:57:19] Voice 6: if he sells it to us?

[1:57:21] Voice 6: Yeah,

[1:57:21] Voice 4: or if someone sells it to him.

[1:57:22] Voice 4: So it doesn't really matter.

[1:57:23] Voice 6: Or

[1:57:24] Voice 9: if he just reads it.

[1:57:25] Voice 8: It doesn't really matter, right?

[1:57:26] Voice 8: No.

[1:57:26] Voice 8: It's not illegal to use.

[1:57:27] Voice 6: But he could apply for it.

[1:57:29] Voice 6: He could apply for it.

[1:57:30] Voice 8: I don't know.

[1:57:37] Voice 8: I don't know.

[1:57:38] Voice 4: I don't know.

[1:57:40] Voice 4: I don't know.

[1:57:42] Voice 4: I don't know.

[1:57:44] Voice 6: I don't know.

[1:57:45] Voice 4: No, I know what I'm referring to.

[1:57:51] Voice 6: It'll be

[1:57:51] Voice 6: unfortunate that he can't make

[1:57:52] Voice 6: campgrounds for it.

[1:57:55] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:57:56] Voice 3: Yeah, so some of the planes, it's going to be hard.

[1:58:04] Voice 4: And then, I was actually going to talk to Warren about that.

[1:58:09] Voice 8: Yeah, it'll be

[1:58:14] Voice 4: faster than...

[1:58:15] Voice 4: Well,

[1:58:15] Voice 8: maybe, I don't know.

[1:58:16] Voice 8: Maybe, so this is, um...

[1:58:19] Voice 8: So this

[1:58:19] Voice 17: is the P, right?

[1:58:20] Voice 17: Yeah.

[1:58:26] Voice 8: Fireball.

[1:58:27] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:58:29] Voice 8: This, um...

[1:58:35] Voice 6: This is the P standing behind the bunker.

[1:58:37] Voice 6: Yeah, between the Komox and the Kaurava, the Kaurava comes to you.

[1:58:42] Voice 6: They actually mean public use, like has been, despite what it says, and you can only use,

[1:58:55] Voice 6: you can't use for housing.

[1:58:56] Voice 6: This is in addition to, but despite.

[1:58:58] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:58:58] Voice 6: I

[1:58:59] Voice 4: don't know what you're telling me, but let me ask you guys on that.

[1:59:01] Voice 6: Okay?

[1:59:02] Voice 6: Because let me, um,

[1:59:05] Voice 4: Dingman on it.

[1:59:08] Voice 4: The bylaw guy on

[1:59:09] Voice 4: Oh, right, right.

[1:59:11] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:59:12] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:59:14] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:59:15] Voice 6: I do appreciate that you, um, try to stay on the agenda and analyze that.

[1:59:20] Voice 6: And I

[1:59:20] Voice 6: do appreciate the grant, you know, it is nice to have that ability and I do want to thank you for letting me stay like 20 seconds for it.

[1:59:28] Voice 6: So, the answer to your

[1:59:29] Voice 6: question is yes, I appreciate it.

[1:59:33] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:59:34] Voice 6: Beat and talk?

[1:59:39] Voice 6: Beat and listen.

[2:00:00] Voice 8: I know.

[2:00:01] Voice 8: I thought you

[2:00:02] Voice 8: moved it going on in this park.

[2:00:04] Voice 8: No,

[2:00:04] Voice 1: we moved it.

[2:00:05] Voice 8: I'm seeing it.

[2:00:06] Voice 8: I'm curious.

[2:00:06] Voice 8: I know.

[2:00:10] Voice 8: The fact that you had the goal.

[2:00:12] Voice 8: I

[2:00:12] Voice 12: thought that was your plan.

[2:00:13] Voice 8: Did you have a plan for that?

[2:00:15] Voice 8: No, I didn't.

[2:00:16] Voice 8: I don't

[2:00:17] Voice 12: want to bless you.

[2:00:18] Voice 12: It's

[2:00:26] Voice 8: like last week.

[2:00:26] Voice 8: It's not me.

[2:00:27] Voice 8: It's you.

[2:00:28] Voice 8: It's me.

[2:00:32] It's me.

[2:00:33] Voice 6: It's me.

[2:00:33] Voice 6: It's me.

[2:00:34] Voice 6: I think we're going to, once the camera gets run by Parks,

[2:00:37] Voice 8: we'll see what happens.

[2:00:41] Voice 13: Yeah, I think so. I think

[2:00:42] Voice 8: we're doing okay.

[2:00:43] Voice 13: We still got the closed. I never know how long those are going to take,

[2:00:46] Voice 8: but it should be okay.

[2:01:17] Voice 6: I think they're going to tell us.

[2:01:20] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm going to explain it.

[2:01:21] Voice 18: We did

[2:01:21] Voice 6: a bunch of work together on that.

[2:01:23] Voice 6: And I'm going to explain it to you as well.

[2:01:25] Voice 6: And I'm not going to go

[2:01:26] Voice 6: into all the standalone houses.

[2:01:29] Voice 6: You're just like, you're just constantly trying to, you know,

[2:01:32] Voice 6: there's what I was

[2:01:33] Voice 6: on this property,

[2:01:34] Voice 6: they're just like me.

[2:01:36] Voice 6: And so now they're asking for a

[2:01:37] Voice 8: little gas space

[2:01:43] Voice 6: that they put people to sleep in.

[2:01:44] Voice 8: And to be zero cent.

[2:01:46] Voice 8: I didn't

[2:01:50] Voice 6: know if they had a survey or anything.

[2:01:51] Voice 6: No, I didn't understand.

[2:01:52] Voice 6: I don't know.

[2:01:58] Voice 16: Well, they said that

[2:02:00] Voice 6: the building was there before the world was there, but the building was enlarged 38 times.

[2:02:05] Voice 6: So, anyway, you know, when I have inside information, I feel like I need to share it.

[2:02:10] Trustee Fast (probable): I've

[2:02:10] Voice 6: talked to her, she's been lovely to me, but it just seems like, what's

[2:02:13] Trustee Fast (probable): happening with the hair here?

[2:02:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Because I heard that you had glass, but then I also saw that the

[2:02:19] Trustee Fast (probable): stale, which was up in the

[2:02:24] Voice 12: inlet in Vancouver, had way more than usual.

[2:02:27] Voice 1: So,

[2:02:27] Voice 12: I'm curious, we were impressed with the air.

[2:02:30] Voice 1: Well, no, it was probably the worst year ever.

[2:02:35] Voice 1: Up here?

[2:02:37] Voice 1: I think it was more in Squamish.

[2:02:39] Voice 1: They're bringing it out.

[2:02:41] Voice 8: We get it there.

[2:02:44] Voice 8: It's good.

[2:02:45] Voice 1: But it's tiny compared to the cars.

[2:02:49] Voice 1: Oh, I see.

[2:02:51] Voice 1: When

[2:02:52] Voice 12: they say they come back, they're big.

[2:02:54] Voice 12: Yeah, they're big!

[2:02:56] Voice 1: Right, gotcha. It's the scale.

[2:03:00] Voice 1: The scale is the...

[2:03:01] Voice 1: The minister wisely cut...

[2:03:03] Voice 1: It

[2:03:04] Voice 6: was

[2:03:08] Voice 1: okay to do that.

[2:03:08] Voice 1: The minister said, no,

[2:03:14] Voice 1: I'm going to cut it in half.

[2:03:17] Voice 1: So they cut it in 75 minutes.

[2:03:20] Voice 1: Thank you!

[2:03:20] Voice 4: Thank you for telling me that.

[2:03:22] Voice 4: So then what do we deal with it? How do we deal with it?

[2:03:24] Voice 1: I don't think so.

[2:03:24] Voice 1: I know.

[2:03:27] Voice 16: I'm going to talk to the planner.

[2:03:28] Voice 16: It's a large task.

[2:03:30] Voice 16: There's someone who can find that.

[2:03:33] Voice 1: The fishermen, they're

[2:03:34] Voice 16: hundreds of hundreds.

[2:03:36] Voice 1: They are way more expert than the government.

[2:03:38] The government have three test vessels out there.

[2:03:42] Voice 11: The fishermen have got them on.

[2:03:44] Voice 7: I'm

[2:03:49] Voice 1: really sad that it started off quite well.

[2:03:53] Voice 1: So, hey buddy down there.

[2:03:57] Voice 1: What are you doing at the other end of the table?

[2:04:01] Voice 16: Yeah, I'm sort of in between you.

[2:04:05] Voice 16: You know what

[2:04:06] Voice 4: we could do?

[2:04:07] Voice 4: You are the Oreo in our cookie.

[2:04:09] Trustee Fast (probable): We could change this so it was a little less in a straight line and more out like this.

[2:04:15] Voice 1: A little

[2:04:16] Trustee Fast (probable): more of a circle.

[2:04:17] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm not going to

[2:04:17] Voice 1: do it now.

[2:04:17] Voice 1: Not now, but it's

[2:04:19] Voice 13: partly for this, but I haven't realized it.

[2:04:21] Voice 1: I like the way it was on there too.

[2:04:23] Voice 1: The

[2:04:24] Voice 13: trouble with the phone, the phone has to be connected

[2:04:26] Voice 1: to the wall down there.

[2:04:30] Voice 8: But this

[2:04:30] Voice 13: phone is working way better.

[2:04:32] Voice 16: No.

[2:04:34] Voice 16: In this setup, it's the same phone but not through the conference line, it's through

[2:04:39] Voice 16: just a straight direct line.

[2:04:42] Voice 8: I wish it

[2:04:45] Voice 4: was a nice day when we were inside.

[2:04:49] Voice 8: It's

[2:04:49] Voice 4: supposed to be rainy today.

[2:04:51] Voice 4: That's so funny.

[2:04:53] Voice 1: No, I decided yesterday it wasn't going to rain.

[2:04:56] Voice 1: Oh.

[2:04:58] Voice 1: I'm taking...

[2:04:59] Voice 1: So you're like doing a water taxi?

[2:05:01] Voice 4: No,

[2:05:01] Voice 1: I'm just taking all the loose people out for a tour around the island, you know?

[2:05:05] Voice 4: Oh, so forget it!

[2:05:06] Voice 4: That's a fun thing, forget it.

[2:05:08] Voice 4: We're not going to close before that.

[2:05:09] Voice 4: early. I get

[2:05:13] Voice 4: to go mow a lawn if I'm lucky, if it's not too wet. I lost four

[2:05:19] Voice 4: days. Lionel Such died, did you hear that? Lionel, you know Lionel Such? No, you don't,

[2:05:28] Voice 4: okay, forget it. Anyways, he died. A lovely guy.

[2:05:33] Voice 13: Did you see an

[2:05:34] Voice 13: errand about one of your, one of your, one of your people?

[2:05:40] Voice 4: Which is weird, because I've never, I don't remember him.

[2:05:43] Voice 4: It

[2:05:43] Voice 13: sounds like he's from

[2:05:43] Voice 4: Victoria and just comes up.

[2:05:45] Voice 4: He

[2:05:45] Voice 13: didn't live here around.

[2:05:46] Voice 4: William Tempest said it, I don't know.

[2:05:50] Voice 16: Yeah.

[2:05:50] Voice 16: I'll get it in 27 years.

[2:05:52] Voice 16: It sounds like he came up in the summer with buddies.

[2:05:55] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:05:56] Voice 16: But he left a nice big donation to the Conservancy.

[2:06:04] Voice 4: So you

[2:06:05] Voice 16: can just sort of find when

[2:06:07] Voice 4: you go down there.

[2:06:10] Voice 4: You know, I'm feeling pretty...

[2:06:11] Voice 1: This is not the FAC.

[2:06:12] Voice 1: There's one.

[2:06:13] Voice 1: It's the FAC.

[2:06:14] Voice 8: This

[2:06:16] Voice 1: is David Critchley and my stuff with carrots.

[2:06:20] Voice 8: See

[2:06:21] Voice 1: the FAC is a product of ferries. So

[2:06:26] Voice 12: how can the

[2:06:26] Voice 1: ferries committee go down and lobby the minister? They

[2:06:32] Voice 1: can't do it.

[2:06:32] Voice 12: You know what's interesting to

[2:06:36] Trustee Fast (probable): me is I heard several transit and transportation ideas today.

[2:06:40] Trustee Fast (probable): And what we've got

[2:06:41] Voice 16: on the boat, I think, is a

[2:06:43] Trustee Fast (probable): mulchiest

[2:06:45] Voice 16: trail going from near the ferry dock up

[2:06:48] Voice 16: the hill for bicycles and horses, I guess, but also walkers.

[2:06:55] Trustee Fast (probable): And so that'll help get...

[2:06:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, but you've got,

[2:06:58] Voice 12: you know, you've got...

[2:06:59] Voice 12: We've got

[2:07:00] Voice 4: buses waiting in...

[2:07:01] Voice 4: You've got big, huge lanes, you know, when you're going south.

[2:07:05] Voice 12: Well, this...

[2:07:06] Voice 12: You're

[2:07:06] Voice 4: totally, like, we are, you know, you

[2:07:07] Voice 4: see what we have.

[2:07:08] Voice 4: It's like a single sensation.

[2:07:10] Voice 4: But

[2:07:11] Trustee Fast (probable): that's what ours was like. I mean, we just had to create it now. It's off the side.

[2:07:21] Voice 4: I don't know what we're going to do down

[2:07:23] Voice 4: there. We've got all these private properties. Somebody

[2:07:27] Voice 4: donates something. It's the same with the Demons side, right? The Demons, this is bad.

[2:07:32] Voice 4: The gravity goes all the way. One time, at one point, it summered almost to McFarland

[2:07:38] Voice 4: last year. Backed up

[2:07:41] Voice 4: that far.

[2:07:43] Voice 4: All those people that live in the far end

[2:07:45] Voice 4: you know in Denman, the Eagle Point

[2:07:47] Voice 4: what a bore that is

[2:07:49] Voice 4: to go through that all summer long.

[2:07:51] Voice 1: You've just got to get people on and off faster.

[2:07:54] Voice 4: If the little

[2:07:55] Voice 15: Gertie, do you have Gertie here?

[2:07:57] Voice 15: Is Gertie Bus here?

[2:07:59] Voice 4: We have a bus.

[2:08:01] Voice 4: You're

[2:08:01] Trustee Fast (probable): a little bus. If

[2:08:02] Trustee Fast (probable): your little bus

[2:08:03] Trustee Fast (probable): was going down and meeting

[2:08:04] Voice 13: the ferry and going around and coming

[2:08:07] Voice 13: me back and meet the other ferry. Do you think people

[2:08:09] Voice 13: would use it?

[2:08:11] Voice 4: You know what, between

[2:08:11] Voice 4: you and me, I find that the bus is a real

[2:08:13] Voice 4: pain in the ass.

[2:08:16] Voice 4: It goes around, I don't know why,

[2:08:18] Voice 4: it only goes to the

[2:08:20] Voice 4: gas bar. It does not go

[2:08:23] Voice 4: to Seabreeze, does not go to

[2:08:24] Voice 4: Whaling Station, does not go to Holywell.

[2:08:26] Voice 4: It only goes there. Why is that?

[2:08:28] Voice 4: Because wealthy people don't want it to be going around

[2:08:30] Voice 4: their neighbourhoods.

[2:08:32] Voice 4: Well, I'm just guessing out loud.

[2:08:34] Voice 4: So

[2:08:34] Voice 12: I live down there, and

[2:08:36] Voice 4: the bus, I can hear it going

[2:08:38] Voice 4: going around and around because there's nobody getting there.

[2:08:40] Voice 4: It's going in neighborhoods, and who's

[2:08:41] Voice 4: picking up? Michael Selby.

[2:08:44] Voice 4: And the guy

[2:08:45] Voice 4: who is, you know, a regular

[2:08:47] Voice 4: neighbor. That's it.

[2:08:49] Voice 4: So I don't know who they're thinking of.

[2:08:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Because I'm thinking about the

[2:08:52] Trustee Fast (probable): people

[2:08:53] Trustee Fast (probable): who are trying to find affordable

[2:08:56] Voice 13: ways to live, and might

[2:08:57] Voice 16: not want to have a

[2:08:59] Voice 16: or might not be able to afford a car, however you want

[2:09:02] Voice 16: to put it. If the bus

[2:09:04] Voice 16: was going around

[2:09:06] Voice 16: to the right

[2:09:06] Trustee Fast (probable): places often enough,

[2:09:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Could it really help people and also reduce the amount of people

[2:09:13] Voice 16: that needed to line up with their vehicles?

[2:09:16] Voice 16: It's not so much an

[2:09:18] Voice 1: on-island thing. I think you can walk all the way to here.

[2:09:20] Voice 1: The thing is for people to get that covox in Courtney.

[2:09:26] Voice 8: That bus started

[2:09:29] Voice 1: on where we went on where we got on the ferry and went over.

[2:09:33] Voice 4: think about it

[2:09:34] Voice 1: it's so

[2:09:35] Voice 4: not practical because

[2:09:38] Voice 4: you know think about when you go into town

[2:09:39] Voice 4: think what you do in your car

[2:09:41] Voice 4: it's like we do every single thing we can possibly do

[2:09:43] Voice 4: in one day sometimes we go down

[2:09:45] Voice 4: and then I'm going

[2:09:46] Voice 4: and the bus is not going to do that for me

[2:09:49] Voice 4: and then we're going to cart around our stuff

[2:09:50] Voice 4: and then we're going to go to Costco

[2:09:51] Voice 4: then we're going to go here

[2:09:54] Voice 4: well who's it about

[2:09:55] Voice 4: all these people

[2:09:58] Voice 16: visitors coming with their cars

[2:10:00] Voice 16: yeah

[2:10:00] Voice 4: but he's talking about going to court

[2:10:02] Voice 1: No, I think there's a lot of people

[2:10:04] Voice 1: that, unless the bus

[2:10:06] Voice 1: all went up, they would go in there.

[2:10:09] Voice 1: There is

[2:10:10] Voice 1: pretty good, decent transportation around the town.

[2:10:12] Voice 4: The reason why they created it, it was for the tourists,

[2:10:14] Voice 4: not for the locals. We know that, because

[2:10:16] Voice 4: Heise created it. It's got to

[2:10:18] Voice 4: be for the tourists. Sorry.

[2:10:19] Voice 4: And it is. Everything they

[2:10:22] Voice 4: do is for tourists. Well,

[2:10:23] Voice 12: here's what's happening on Bowen.

[2:10:25] Voice 12: The pressure on our ferry

[2:10:28] Voice 12: is not growing as fast as what people

[2:10:30] Voice 12: thought, because more people

[2:10:33] Voice 12: People are either

[2:10:34] Trustee Fast (probable): walking to the ferry, or getting dropped off at the ferry, or bicycling to the ferry.

[2:10:41] Trustee Fast (probable): More of those, I can't say that it's insignificant.

[2:10:45] Trustee Fast (probable): And if

[2:10:46] Voice 4: you're a commuting ferry, I could see that.

[2:10:49] Voice 4: I see that we're down inside.

[2:10:50] Voice 4: I see so many people, you know, when I take the first ferry, you know they go to work in Courtney Centre.

[2:10:56] Voice 12: Whereas

[2:10:56] Voice 4: we don't have, we're not a commuting ferry.

[2:10:59] Voice 12: I

[2:10:59] Voice 4: like Courtney, right?

[2:11:00] Voice 4: We couldn't go to work.

[2:11:01] Voice 4: Would

[2:11:01] Voice 12: people commute here to work from Comox if they had a bus?

[2:11:06] Voice 4: No, because our last ferry is a...

[2:11:08] Voice 8: We

[2:11:09] Voice 4: don't have a late ferry.

[2:11:15] Voice 15: We didn't.

[2:11:16] Voice 1: We didn't

[2:11:17] Voice 15: used to, but we never do now.

[2:11:24] Voice 1: And

[2:11:24] Voice 4: before, you know, COVID, we had way more people would hitchhike,

[2:11:27] Voice 4: you know, come down the ferry, knock on your window,

[2:11:29] Voice 4: so you can get a ride in town.

[2:11:31] Voice 4: Since COVID, nothing doesn't happen anymore.

[2:11:36] Voice 4: I used to give people rides all the time at a town hall.

[2:11:38] Voice 13: Bowen, we have

[2:11:39] Voice 16: signs up, Bowen Lift, you know, and we had, we got a grant.

[2:11:45] Voice 4: So before the bus came, I wanted to do this thing where the, you know, the ride,

[2:11:49] Voice 4: where they have on Pender Island, where they have the bus stops, hitchhikers,

[2:11:55] Voice 4: so you didn't have to stand there with your thumb up, you could sit on it,

[2:11:59] Voice 4: try to go by, oh, you need a ride, and pull over to pick them up, right?

[2:12:01] Voice 4: Well, I might.

[2:12:01] Voice 4: And that's what I was going to introduce, and then suddenly IC came up with a bus,

[2:12:05] Voice 4: and it wasn't to do with it.

[2:12:07] Voice 4: Mine was just to

[2:12:08] Voice 13: do with it.

[2:12:09] Voice 13: Well, maybe we should think about how we can make the bus better for the people.

[2:12:14] Voice 4: Well, first

[2:12:14] Voice 13: of all, it's just

[2:12:15] Voice 4: like you asking, what's the sign about?

[2:12:17] Voice 4: What's the signs for?

[2:12:18] Voice 4: Who's the bus for?

[2:12:19] Voice 4: Ask her that.

[2:12:21] Voice 4: You'll get mixed messages.

[2:12:22] Voice 4: I

[2:12:22] Trustee Fast (probable): don't want to.

[2:12:24] Trustee Fast (probable): I want to ask the question.

[2:12:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, I'll be interested to see if either of you make a recommendation

[2:12:30] Trustee Fast (probable): that the chair write a letter to the

[2:12:32] Voice 13: BC Transit, you

[2:12:35] Voice 16: know, do we want

[2:12:36] Voice 13: to do that and get involved

[2:12:37] Voice 13: in that or should, would one of you guys just contact Daniel Larson and

[2:12:40] Voice 1: see if there's anything

[2:12:41] Voice 1: else? That's high stakes.

[2:12:44] Voice 13: Yeah, they could, they could, they've got, yeah, okay.

[2:12:50] Voice 1: We get layered

[2:12:51] Voice 1: with all these things that are really not, even

[2:12:53] Voice 4: just a letter.

[2:12:54] Voice 1: We're really about subdivisions.

[2:12:58] Voice 1: Well,

[2:12:58] Voice 4: you got that fine there.

[2:13:00] Voice 4: Conservation.

[2:13:01] Voice 16: Well, this is why I was asking these questions, is would it

[2:13:04] Voice 16: help with the fair use?

[2:13:06] Voice 4: No, my biggest

[2:13:07] Voice 4: concern is going to be, you know, all more and more people with electric bikes,

[2:13:11] Voice 4: and I've seen more and more visitors bringing their electric bikes,

[2:13:14] Voice 4: and

[2:13:14] Voice 12: they're

[2:13:15] Voice 4: actually like their pseudo-cars on the road, and it's going to be interesting.

[2:13:18] Voice 4: It's going to be nuts.

[2:13:19] Voice 12: Well, this is another thing that's new is the electric bikes.

[2:13:23] Voice 12: They

[2:13:24] Voice 4: act like they're cars.

[2:13:25] Voice 12: Yeah, exactly.

[2:13:26] Voice 12: And it would be

[2:13:27] Voice 12: better if there was a separate lane.

[2:13:29] Voice 12: Well,

[2:13:29] Voice 4: we have bike lanes, you know what, and nobody uses them.

[2:13:33] Voice 12: So far.

[2:13:34] Voice 4: Because they're dangerous.

[2:13:36] Voice 4: We're

[2:13:36] Voice 12: past our time.

[2:13:37] Voice 12: I'm just going to go over.

[2:13:38] Voice 12: There

[2:13:38] Voice 4: might be a slug on the road or something.

[2:13:43] Voice 8: Heather's had a chance to talk to people.

[2:13:47] Voice 6: Well, look to me.

[2:13:49] Voice 6: I'll talk to you afterwards.

[2:13:53] Voice 6: So Heather just said to me.

[2:13:58] Voice 9: On

[2:13:59] Voice 6: your guidance list, the stuff to look at today is some, there's a property in Anderson Drive where a couple, Catherine Wallace, her name is applied for a variance because they have a studio guest cabin right on the property line, and her measurements, the line says her roof doesn't overhang it, and the surveyor that the property owner buys says it does.

[2:14:28] Voice 6: Heather says that you guys have to say before we approve what you have done to verify what the lines are.

[2:14:35] Voice 7: Yeah, I'm going to share something.

[2:14:37] Voice 7: I don't know if I said it's there.

[2:14:41] Voice 7: I mean, we would definitely say what.

[2:14:44] Voice 7: Oh, gosh.

[2:14:45] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:14:46] Voice 6: And they said they had a letter that said it was built prior to the 1997 news program requirements.

[2:14:56] Voice 6: But we actually know that Roy Slack increased the size of it.

[2:15:01] Voice 6: And it did get another permit. So it is,

[2:15:04] Voice 5: it needs to have some

[2:15:04] Voice 6: verification done by the survey, so we can see.

[2:15:08] Voice 5: And I clicked

[2:15:09] Voice 6: when I read the recommendation that she was

[2:15:12] Voice 6: going to start seeing surveys.

[2:15:13] Voice 6: I

[2:15:14] Voice 8: know, I know it's unfair. Now it's selling back again.

[2:15:19] Voice 8: So

[2:15:20] Voice 6: my money, what the Conscious Heart said, even though I don't want to have to pay for a survey or to get a study permit,

[2:15:25] Voice 6: from it. My only conscious heart says, it would save

[2:15:28] Voice 6: us all money in the

[2:15:29] Voice 6: long run, right?

[2:15:30] Voice 1: So the other

[2:15:31] Voice 1: comment, I

[2:15:32] Voice 6: don't know what the first comment says in the meeting, but I was

[2:15:35] Voice 6: saying to Alex is that there's a grandmother who is on Anderson Drive, non-water transit

[2:15:40] Voice 6: station, but he wrote the letter, he wants no more parking along the streets. He moved

[2:15:44] Voice 6: there, he bought the property less than a year ago, and he put the house down there

[2:15:48] Voice 6: less than six months ago. So he's new to the neighbourhood, and he wants to tell you and

[2:15:51] Voice 6: that we can't perfect cover at Melan Station Bay. I'm sorry,

[2:15:56] Voice 1: I'm going to

[2:15:59] Voice 12: tell it to his face.

[2:16:00] Voice 12: Yeah, I do.

[2:16:02] Voice 12: Ask him if he used to live on the boat.

[2:16:05] Voice 12: That's so funny.

[2:16:07] Voice 1: Loaded with cell phones.

[2:16:08] Voice 12: I heard you say that.

[2:16:09] Voice 6: I do agree.

[2:16:10] Voice 1: There's no

[2:16:11] Voice 4: empathy right now.

[2:16:14] Voice 4: There's no beach access there.

[2:16:17] Voice 4: Hey,

[2:16:17] Trustee Fast (probable): I've been working on it forever.

[2:16:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Looks like

[2:16:19] Voice 4: they're trying to get a faster meeting now

[2:16:20] Voice 6: because we're all gone.

[2:16:22] Voice 6: Thank you so much.

[2:16:22] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:16:23] Voice 12: Bye.

[2:16:24] Voice 12: You can always call staff, too.

[2:16:26] Voice 12: Yeah,

[2:16:27] Voice 6: we're going to actually ask them to come earlier for the next meeting so we can

[2:16:30] Voice 6: have a meeting.

[2:16:31] Voice 6: Oh.

[2:16:32] Voice 6: Or have a Zoom meeting.

[2:16:34] Voice 6: Or a Zoom meeting.

[2:16:35] Voice 6: We're coming here anyways.

[2:16:37] Voice 6: Isn't that right?

[2:16:37] Voice 6: No, it's true.

[2:16:38] Voice 4: No, it's true.

[2:16:40] Voice 6: Tight timing.

[2:16:42] Voice 6: I called.

[2:16:43] Voice 6: Hang on.

[2:16:44] Voice 8: I got it.

[2:16:45] Voice 6: I just wanted

[2:16:47] Voice 6: to participate in the agency housing meetings.

[2:16:49] Voice 6: I was out of country, and then back to the way it's been, they said, nope, sorry, not happening. So I was closed for a month.

[2:16:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, we can't give

[2:16:57] Voice 6: the right time.

[2:16:58] Voice 1: You don't get a ton of sympathy when you're in Mexico.

[2:16:59] Trustee Fast (probable): I wasn't.

[2:16:59] Voice 6: I was interpreted

[2:17:00] Trustee Fast (probable): even

[2:17:01] Voice 1: more so.

[2:17:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, I'm going back to my agenda. We're going to call the meeting back to order. Are you finished there?

[2:17:10] Trustee Fast (probable): No.

[2:17:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Is everybody ready to reconvene?

[2:17:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Can

[2:17:12] Voice 16: we get started?

[2:17:13] Voice 1: Yeah. Yeah. And

[2:17:16] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm just going to pull up my proper agenda. Oh, I see. Hang on one second here. There we are. I'm back in my agenda. Catherine,

[2:17:27] Voice 11: are you there?

[2:17:28] Voice 11: I'm not.

[2:17:32] Trustee Fast (probable): None.

[2:17:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:17:34] Voice 11: So

[2:17:34] Trustee Fast (probable): that's what I was going to report to you is everybody's gone.

[2:17:37] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:17:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. And so we're going to reconvene here. And we've got three letters in front of us. To try and go faster here, starting on page 67. We don't have to talk about any of these if we don't think it has anything to do with our work and our duties. And here, so we can just receive them, or we can talk about them.

[2:18:07] Trustee Fast (probable): so is there any um piece of correspondence here that people would like to discuss trustees

[2:18:19] Trustee Fast (probable): page 67 is where i'm starting so this is 11.1 11.2 and 11.3

[2:18:30] Voice 1: can we just move we receive them how do you want to do it

[2:18:33] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm just checking with you yeah sorry

[2:18:35] Voice 1: i'm just just

[2:18:36] Voice 4: seeing what i i

[2:18:37] Trustee Fast (probable): think i have

[2:18:37] Voice 4: a question yes

[2:18:39] Trustee Fast (probable): i

[2:18:40] Voice 4: second that okay

[2:18:42] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you um

[2:18:43] Trustee Fast (probable): all those in favor the correspondence is received thanks then and then we're just going to move on

[2:18:49] Trustee Fast (probable): to uh 12.1 this annual staff report we need to approve this uh heather has drafted it up

[2:18:56] Trustee Fast (probable): starting on page 71. this is just for the annual report go ahead i move

[2:19:01] Voice 1: we accept the annual report

[2:19:03] Voice 1: as presented i second it that

[2:19:06] Trustee Fast (probable): the hornby island local trust committee endorsed the following text

[2:19:09] Trustee Fast (probable): for inclusion in the 2021-2022 annual report for approval by the honest trust council and

[2:19:14] Trustee Fast (probable): submission to the minister of municipal affairs and housing is that what you move yes thank you

[2:19:19] Trustee Fast (probable): is that what you second thank you and uh any discussion all those in favor can you make a

[2:19:24] Trustee Fast (probable): motion i can i just noticed it you tried to that passed unanimously thank you catherine okay and

[2:19:31] Trustee Fast (probable): And then now we're on to the Island's Trust Conservancy report.

[2:19:38] Trustee Fast (probable): So you've read it.

[2:19:39] Trustee Fast (probable): It's in the package here, page 73.

[2:19:42] Trustee Fast (probable): And I just wanted to note for the record, there's two reports in there

[2:19:49] Trustee Fast (probable): and the recent issue of the Heron, the newsletter of the Island's Trust Conservancy.

[2:19:55] Trustee Fast (probable): And I just wanted to flag that William Tempest of Victoria

[2:20:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Victoria, has left 10% of his estate to the Islands Trust Conservancy, so that'll be put

[2:20:08] Trustee Fast (probable): forward towards conservation on Hornby Island, and you can read about it in the copy of the

[2:20:15] Trustee Fast (probable): heron that's in the agenda here. So, thank you to William Tempest. As a vice chair of

[2:20:21] Trustee Fast (probable): the Islands Trust Conservancy, I really think that's an important part of the work of the

[2:20:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Islands Trust. It doesn't get

[2:20:27] Voice 1: discussed at all.

[2:20:27] Voice 1: Could you write a letter to him and thank him for that?

[2:20:30] Trustee Fast (probable): He died.

[2:20:31] Voice 1: Pardon?

[2:20:32] Trustee Fast (probable): He died.

[2:20:34] Voice 1: Oh, yeah, I thought.

[2:20:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Never mind.

[2:20:35] Voice 1: Oh, of course, he's dead.

[2:20:37] Voice 1: Well,

[2:20:38] Trustee Fast (probable): that's, we found out about it.

[2:20:40] Voice 1: We found out about it.

[2:20:41] Voice 1: Well, he

[2:20:42] Trustee Fast (probable): might be dead.

[2:20:42] Voice 1: Well, never mind, never mind.

[2:20:44] Voice 1: It was

[2:20:44] Trustee Fast (probable): a lovely surprise.

[2:20:46] Voice 1: All right, well, great time.

[2:20:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, thank you.

[2:20:49] Trustee Fast (probable): No, I appreciate that.

[2:20:51] Trustee Fast (probable): But I, you know, I just encourage everybody to try and make the,

[2:20:56] Trustee Fast (probable): find out a little bit about it.

[2:20:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Enjoy the Heron magazine. You can see how all kinds

[2:21:00] Trustee Fast (probable): of people are leaving different ways

[2:21:02] Trustee Fast (probable): of leaving a green legacy and

[2:21:03] Trustee Fast (probable): conserving nature

[2:21:05] Trustee Fast (probable): on islands

[2:21:07] Trustee Fast (probable): and the Islands Trust area. It's great.

[2:21:10] Trustee Fast (probable): And so, unless anybody's got any questions,

[2:21:12] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to move on.

[2:21:14] Trustee Fast (probable): So that's the Trust Conservancy report.

[2:21:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Applications report,

[2:21:19] Trustee Fast (probable): page 86. Any questions

[2:21:21] Trustee Fast (probable): about this for the planner?

[2:21:24] Voice 4: My thing is I'm confused.

[2:21:26] Voice 4: I know we went through this with the pools scenario, but in terms of variances, I think

[2:21:32] Voice 4: some of these variances are kind of significant, and I don't understand where they go.

[2:21:36] Voice 4: Do they go to the board of variants?

[2:21:38] Trustee Fast (probable): Which ones are you looking at?

[2:21:40] Voice 4: Well, that pool one was not very pleasant.

[2:21:46] Trustee Fast (probable): These are the ones that are in front of staff now.

[2:21:48] Trustee Fast (probable): I think the pool moved down onto the projects list.

[2:21:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Didn't we do that last time, Paige?

[2:21:55] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll just check.

[2:21:55] Trustee Fast (probable): No,

[2:21:59] Voice 4: it was a variance. It's not on here. We got it and sent it in the email.

[2:22:09] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:22:09] Voice 7: We did add goals to our entire list.

[2:22:15] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:22:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[2:22:19] Trustee Fast (probable): But what I'm looking at specifically here is the applications.

[2:22:23] Trustee Fast (probable): These are the ones that are in process that people have applied to make changes to whatever.

[2:22:29] Trustee Fast (probable): As

[2:22:30] Voice 4: an applicant, I contacted the water people and they haven't gone back to me, so I'm not

[2:22:36] Voice 4: sure what's going on.

[2:22:37] Trustee Fast (probable): This is about your application?

[2:22:39] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:22:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:22:39] Trustee Fast (probable): So maybe that could happen outside of this meeting.

[2:22:41] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:22:41] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:22:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:22:42] Trustee Fast (probable): And anybody got any questions on the applications in relation to pages 86 to 92 of our report?

[2:22:48] Voice 2: No.

[2:22:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:22:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Then let's move on.

[2:22:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee and local expense report dated February 2022.

[2:22:56] Trustee Fast (probable): 22. So this is the previous fiscal year, page 93. So this is passed. And now I guess this

[2:23:07] Trustee Fast (probable): is going to change now that we've passed the budget. Is that correct? Regional Planning

[2:23:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Manager? Yes, this is up until February. So yeah,

[2:23:16] Voice 7: we'll get into it next time.

[2:23:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. And

[2:23:20] Trustee Fast (probable): I have a little question. I noticed the APC meeting expenses are high, but we're getting

[2:23:27] Trustee Fast (probable): really quality work from these folks and uh i hope that all worked out in the budget okay

[2:23:33] Trustee Fast (probable): and um so that's fabulous and we get to move our you know staff move this around anybody got any

[2:23:39] Trustee Fast (probable): questions about the past year's budget my question is will some of this get rolled over like the

[2:23:48] Trustee Fast (probable): the water works

[2:23:49] Voice 7: yeah the watershed uh the watershed work

[2:23:55] Voice 7: i believe that william is working on a report to come back to the ltc it's likely that this money

[2:24:03] Voice 7: all got used yeah that's

[2:24:05] Voice 7: fiscal so i don't know that any of that will roll over um and of course

[2:24:09] Voice 7: we'll have a new budget line item for the 15 000 ocp product right so i don't think either of these

[2:24:16] Voice 7: are in the rollover necessarily but right

[2:24:18] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah because i thought i thought there was a and

[2:24:21] Trustee Fast (probable): And there's meetings in the works and that kind of thing.

[2:24:25] Trustee Fast (probable): So, okay.

[2:24:25] Trustee Fast (probable): All right.

[2:24:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Anyway, this is kind of in the past, so it doesn't really matter.

[2:24:29] Trustee Fast (probable): And we're going to see a new one with the new budget.

[2:24:34] Trustee Fast (probable): So moving on then, as it seems, adopted policies and standing resolutions.

[2:24:39] Trustee Fast (probable): That's just for our reference, like I referred to in our assigned discussion.

[2:24:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Local Trust Committee webpage, I just have that on all the time in case anybody wants to bring up anything about that.

[2:24:50] Trustee Fast (probable): I found out how to find it on the website for some areas. Do you post

[2:24:56] Trustee Fast (probable): things there? Local

[2:24:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Trust Committee web page? No,

[2:25:01] Voice 4: we're really delinquent that way.

[2:25:04] Voice 4: Well, if

[2:25:05] Voice 4: nobody's asking, if it would be

[2:25:06] Trustee Fast (probable): helpful, otherwise,

[2:25:08] Voice 4: as long as

[2:25:11] Trustee Fast (probable): everybody's happy, that's fine with me. Okay, I just wanted to have it there

[2:25:15] Trustee Fast (probable): because it's a resource that we could use. Top Priorities Report, page 99. Any questions

[2:25:24] Trustee Fast (probable): for where we're at? We made some progress on the first one there today, I think, and we're

[2:25:32] Voice 7: pretty done with number three. We adopted number three on the top priorities report,

[2:25:49] Voice 7: is now complete yes that's right

[2:25:52] Trustee Fast (probable): page page 100. we can put a check mark on that because we

[2:25:55] Trustee Fast (probable): completed that today yeah okay go ahead trustee scott

[2:25:58] Voice 1: i i missed something um was that page 64.5

[2:26:15] Voice 7: I had

[2:26:16] Voice 1: a question there, it slid by before I, I just want to point something out.

[2:26:22] Voice 1: When I read this, it says, right down here, 6.4.1.4 in the Bible.

[2:26:46] Trustee Fast (probable): We're going back to page 64. Apparently we've got a question.

[2:26:50] Voice 1: I know I'm going backwards here. 6.1. It says,

[2:26:58] Voice 1: Parsons of 3.5, the greater one dwelling with a secondary,

[2:27:02] Voice 1: or two dwellings, inside, if the land

[2:27:06] Voice 1: in the ALR was a second dwelling, should be limited to

[2:27:10] Voice 1: necessary for agricultural purposes.

[2:27:15] Voice 1: But the bylaw, when you go to what it says

[2:27:22] Voice 1: It says in the, it simply says you're allowed to.

[2:27:44] Voice 1: Oh, then you, no, I know.

[2:27:45] Voice 1: Then when you go to the land use bylaws, it actually says you're allowed to dwellings

[2:27:51] Voice 1: if you're over, and it doesn't say anything about going to the, the second one's got to

[2:27:58] Voice 1: be for agricultural purposes at all.

[2:27:59] Voice 1: It just says you're allowed to dwellings.

[2:28:02] Voice 7: And that's just because this particular section is, if it is also in the ALR.

[2:28:09] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:28:10] Voice 7: Yeah, and you would want to make the agricultural land regulations, but otherwise, if it's not on the ALR, then you don't have to make the farming.

[2:28:22] Voice 1: Yeah, because it's actually a two-loving, that's an agriculture A1, and A1 isn't necessarily an ALR.

[2:28:30] Voice 1: That's right, yeah.

[2:28:31] Voice 1: Oh, I see, okay.

[2:28:32] Voice 1: Yeah, yeah.

[2:28:33] Voice 1: I'm going to go around saying everybody, and you don't want to go there.

[2:28:37] Voice 7: Yeah, you can have agricultural zoning, but it's not necessarily where you are.

[2:28:41] Voice 1: Okay.

[2:28:41] Voice 1: Okay.

[2:28:42] Voice 7: Good.

[2:28:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that a call?

[2:28:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[2:28:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Good.

[2:28:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:28:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Great.

[2:28:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks for bringing that up.

[2:28:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:28:48] Trustee Fast (probable): And now going back to top priorities report page 99.

[2:29:02] Trustee Fast (probable): That's right.

[2:29:02] Trustee Fast (probable): I thought we might talk about the MRDT or the pillow tax.

[2:29:10] Trustee Fast (probable): At some point, you wanted to talk about that, Alex.

[2:29:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Alex, maybe, I don't know if it relates to, well, it might relate to the top priority there, page 99.

[2:29:22] Voice 4: Well, this is what I was

[2:29:23] Voice 4: doing a little bit of research in the background there.

[2:29:25] Voice 4: I just noticed it says it needs to be supported and approved by law from the local government,

[2:29:30] Voice 4: but they've been partnering with, or Hi-Seek, this is all through the regional district.

[2:29:36] Voice 4: So whether it's deemed a local government is fine, but I think Hormean is the only community that's an island,

[2:29:43] Voice 4: And to be honest, it's getting the pillow tax.

[2:29:45] Voice 4: And I just wonder whether we as a local government should be also approving this

[2:29:50] Voice 4: as well, or does the regional district trump us over pillow tax, that's all.

[2:29:56] Trustee Fast (probable): I can tell you about Bowen.

[2:29:58] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:30:00] Trustee Fast (probable): maybe it's different because we're a municipality but so far even though we have business licenses

[2:30:06] Trustee Fast (probable): we do not have the mrdt or whatever it's called um because uh there has to be a certain percentage

[2:30:15] Trustee Fast (probable): of the businesses sign on to it or something yes so we're not at that stage yet um if it happens i

[2:30:23] Trustee Fast (probable): I believe it would be slated for affordable housing.

[2:30:28] Trustee Fast (probable): But it's interesting that

[2:30:31] Voice 4: the

[2:30:32] Trustee Fast (probable): local trust committee hasn't been, yeah.

[2:30:34] Voice 4: So it doesn't really pertain.

[2:30:36] Voice 4: I'd like to know whether the regional district has a say over this,

[2:30:41] Voice 4: whether we don't have a say on this at all, the trustees,

[2:30:46] Voice 4: the local

[2:30:47] Voice 4: trust committee versus the regional district.

[2:30:48] Voice 4: Because I know the fact that we are the only one that's an only island

[2:30:52] Voice 4: that's applied for a pillow tax, and we approved for it, so I imagine this is sort of a new venture here because of the fact that we are a unique island.

[2:31:08] Voice 4: So

[2:31:08] Trustee Fast (probable): I think this is a question for planning staff. Can you come back next time?

[2:31:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Do

[2:31:13] Voice 4: I have to make a motion?

[2:31:15] Voice 7: I don't know. I'm not familiar with this program, so I'd have to…

[2:31:20] Voice 4: But they say local government, so that's why I'm questioning it.

[2:31:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[2:31:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:31:24] Voice 4: So

[2:31:24] Trustee Fast (probable): I think the question is that…

[2:31:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, it's a

[2:31:28] Voice 4: regional district, and that's suffice, and that's enough,

[2:31:31] Voice 4: or whether the local government trusts…

[2:31:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Whether there's a role…

[2:31:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Could the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to find out

[2:31:41] Trustee Fast (probable): whether the MRDT slash pillow tax is a local trust committee issue or not.

[2:31:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Would that be right?

[2:31:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that your motion?

[2:31:55] Voice 4: Yes.

[2:31:55] Voice 4: Would they need approval and support from the local trust committee or not?

[2:32:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:32:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:32:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Did you catch that, Catherine?

[2:32:09] Voice 11: Wait, Alan, this is extra to find out whether the MRDT pillow tax would need support from the local trust committee.

[2:32:22] Voice 3: yeah support and approval okay

[2:32:25] Voice 11: so

[2:32:27] Trustee Fast (probable): we've got a motion yeah

[2:32:28] Voice 4: I guess on top of the

[2:32:29] Voice 4: regional district approval but I guess that's complicating it this is a bit

[2:32:32] Voice 4: cool I'm

[2:32:39] Voice 4: top of yeah just okay

[2:32:44] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee Scott thank you all those in favor thank

[2:32:50] Trustee Fast (probable): you

[2:32:50] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[2:32:51] Voice 1: guess the first thing we will have is a trust issue, but anyway, you can agree with me on part of that.

[2:32:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you everybody. So that gets rid of that one, and then anything else on page 99?

[2:33:05] Trustee Fast (probable): Seeing as how we can put a big check mark on page 100 for the MA, the minimum area lot average.

[2:33:16] Trustee Fast (probable): And hearing that, I'm going to move on. 14.2 is our projects list, pages 101 to 103.

[2:33:24] Trustee Fast (probable): This is just sort of a parking lot more for things that we are interested in

[2:33:31] Trustee Fast (probable): looking at in the future. And anything here that we need to ask staff about or

[2:33:38] Trustee Fast (probable): bump up higher into the list? Hearing none, what

[2:33:43] Voice 1: about, I have a question.

[2:33:44] Voice 1: one second

[2:33:48] Voice 1: Catherine Rowland's questionnaire about

[2:33:50] Voice 1: this use of criminal land

[2:33:52] Voice 1: because she told me about it

[2:33:54] Voice 1: and I said the first thing

[2:33:57] Voice 1: that has to happen is somebody's

[2:33:58] Voice 1: got to identify the piece of criminal land

[2:34:01] Voice 1: and become an applicant

[2:34:02] Voice 1: because otherwise you just ask your questions

[2:34:06] Voice 1: because

[2:34:07] Voice 1: we keep hearing this more and more

[2:34:10] Voice 1: from Catherine about this issue

[2:34:12] Voice 12: it

[2:34:14] Voice 1: was being recorded remember

[2:34:15] Voice 1: yeah so I don't

[2:34:17] Voice 1: know what the answer to that is. Yeah,

[2:34:21] Voice 7: I mean, she and I talked about it at the break, and

[2:34:23] Voice 7: your roommate, they have identified a piece of land, they understand they need to work

[2:34:28] Voice 7: with the province, and, you know, if it's okay, since the province is the owner. So

[2:34:34] Voice 7: it depends on what they want to do with it, but essentially there's a reason being involved.

[2:34:39] Voice 7: And so she's going to, they're going to meet with staff to kind of do a re-application

[2:34:44] Voice 7: anything to kind of talk to that through and what their options are good it's not

[2:34:48] Voice 1: clear to me who would be the applicant would it be i guess the first thing is

[2:34:51] Voice 1: somebody would have to get ownership to it otherwise the province they're the

[2:34:54] Voice 1: owner they don't be the applicant they're not going to be the applicant

[2:34:58] Voice 7: yeah um uh agent people who are not the owners can apply for results with

[2:35:06] Voice 7: the owner's permission

[2:35:07] Voice 7: okay all

[2:35:11] Trustee Fast (probable): right my question was about uh

[2:35:17] Trustee Fast (probable): the high-speed internet, which I gather is coming,

[2:35:20] Trustee Fast (probable): but I see we've got on page 102,

[2:35:23] Trustee Fast (probable): model cell tower consultation process here,

[2:35:26] Trustee Fast (probable): and whether there's any concerns trustees have

[2:35:28] Trustee Fast (probable): that we should revisit that, or should we just take...

[2:35:34] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[2:35:35] Voice 4: don't know, because that also pertains,

[2:35:36] Voice 4: not just to tell us, it also pertains to all these other...

[2:35:38] Voice 4: So I think we should just leave it on.

[2:35:41] Voice 4: Leave

[2:35:41] Trustee Fast (probable): it on there? Okay.

[2:35:42] Voice 4: Because there's all these other providers as well

[2:35:44] Voice 4: Well, that could

[2:35:44] Trustee Fast (probable): appear later.

[2:35:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so we'll leave that alone.

[2:35:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Anything else, trustees?

[2:35:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Up to page 103.

[2:35:54] Trustee Fast (probable): April

[2:35:54] Voice 4: had asked about Jeremy's fish shack.

[2:36:00] Voice 4: She was wondering about the temporary use permit.

[2:36:02] Voice 4: I'm under the impression that he's got another couple of years.

[2:36:05] Voice 7: It's actually expired in July,

[2:36:09] Voice 7: and he has inquired about renewing them,

[2:36:13] Voice 7: but we haven't seen an application yet yeah

[2:36:16] Voice 4: because um yeah because i somebody asked him

[2:36:19] Voice 4: the temporary permit he can do fish he can do the same thing he was going to do before but

[2:36:24] Voice 4: i am getting issues and i'm not sure where we can deal with this but it's turning into a beer

[2:36:29] Voice 4: garden on the weekends and um he's got all his buddies hanging out and i don't think he's selling

[2:36:35] Voice 4: much fish because people don't seem to think it's a private party all the time um so i'm just

[2:36:40] Voice 4: wondering whether that's a little out or it's very confusing it's like maybe this

[2:36:45] Trustee Fast (probable): is something would be better to talk about after the meeting okay yeah yeah

[2:36:51] Trustee Fast (probable): okay and thank you and um and projects list I think we can put a check mark on

[2:36:57] Trustee Fast (probable): that and you're not passing me notes I think it's almost time to go into really

[2:37:02] Voice 3: cameras in

[2:37:03] Trustee Fast (probable): camera meeting so next general regular meeting is Friday June

[2:37:07] Trustee Fast (probable): June the 10th. Good luck

[2:37:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Heather and me getting to the island, even

[2:37:11] Trustee Fast (probable): on a Friday, let alone getting off in time.

[2:37:13] Trustee Fast (probable): But we'll see how well we do.

[2:37:15] Voice 1: Well,

[2:37:15] Trustee Fast (probable): June isn't that bad. Oh, good.

[2:37:17] Voice 1: You were all right from the morning. Yes, it was

[2:37:19] Trustee Fast (probable): fine.

[2:37:20] Trustee Fast (probable): You should be

[2:37:20] Voice 1: coming this way, not going that way.

[2:37:21] Voice 1: Yes, yes.

[2:37:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Good. Especially in June.

[2:37:25] Trustee Fast (probable): 10.30, so we'll be back

[2:37:28] Trustee Fast (probable): here is the plan, and

[2:37:29] Trustee Fast (probable): then I'm going to

[2:37:31] Trustee Fast (probable): all move that the meeting be closed

[2:37:33] Trustee Fast (probable): to the public in accordance with the community charter.

[2:37:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Part 4, Division 3, Section 91A and D, for the purposes of considering an appointment to the A, Advisor Planning Commission members, and adoption of in-camera minutes dated November 26, 2021, and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[2:37:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Do I have a seconder?

[2:37:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Grant Scott.

[2:37:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Any discussion?

[2:38:00] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[2:38:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:38:02] Trustee Fast (probable): All three hands went up, Catherine.

[2:38:04] Trustee Fast (probable): And so we're going to move now to a closed meeting.

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Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
May 6, 2022 
Room to Grow 
2100 Sollans Road, Hornby Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 Alex Allen, Local Trustee 
 Grant Scott, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Katherine Vogt, Recorder 
  
Others Present: Wendy Burton, Chair of the Hornby Island Advisory Planning Commission 
 Approximately three (3) members of the public  
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:35 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. She introduced Trustees and Staff, and 
welcomed members of the public, noting that the meeting was being recorded for posting on 
the Islands Trust website. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 Add item 10.1 Budget for Official Community Plan Targeted Review 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. RISE AND REPORT - November 26, 2021 In Camera Meeting 
Chair Fast rose and reported that at the last in-camera meeting, in response to a request from 
Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor Lisa Wilcox for the Hornby Island Local Trust 
Committee (LTC) to support the K’omoks First Nation Cultural Heritage Policy, the following 
motion was passed: 
HO-IC-2021-007s 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
1. that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to develop an internal policy for 
approval consideration by the Denman Island Local Trust Committee that: 
a. initiates an internal information-sharing process with the K’omoks First Nation so they 
may consider siting and use permit applications with the Policy; 

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b. requires on receipt of a complete siting and use permit application that Staff forward to 
the K’omoks First Nation within 20 days a copy of the Siting and use permit application 
with personal information redacted for K’omoks First Nation review; 
c. requires any feedback from the K’omoks First Nation be provided in writing by no later 
than 60 days after the date the Siting and Use Permit application was sent to the 
K’omoks First Nation; and 
d. states that, despite this information-sharing process, the Hornby Island Local Trust 
Committee remains the decision-maker and will process Siting and use permit 
applications as per the Islands Trust Act, its policies, procedures and bylaw 
requirements. 
2. That the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee rise and report in open meeting on its 
decision on sharing of Siting and Use Permits with K’omoks First Nation. 
 CARRIED 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Scott reported on the following: 
 Attendance at the last Trust Council meeting involved many differences of opinion 
regarding the Governance Management Review, the draft Trust Policy Statement, 
and the recently passed Trust budget. 
 Plans to attend an upcoming May 11, 2022 meeting in Victoria with Cabinet 
Ministers Josie Osborne and Rob Fleming to discuss ferry safety liability issues and 
the possibility for a larger ferry; Karen Ross and Denman Island Trustee David 
Critchley also plan to attend. 
 
Trustee Allen reported on the following: 
 Attendance at the last Trust Council meeting where there was much interesting, 
divisive, and challenging commentary. 
 Involvement with and support of the Governance Management Review. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Fast reported on the following: 
 ‘Trust Council Decision Highlights’ document on page 104 of the present LTC 
agenda.  
 Recent participation as Vice-Chair of the four-member Executive Committee of the 
Trust Council. 
 Chairing the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee meeting recently held in North 
Vancouver. 
 Chairing the Denman Island Local Trust Committee recent special ‘Farm’ meeting. 
 Chairing Bowen Island Council meetings whose municipal budget will likely be 
increased by 7.8 percent this year. 
 Recent attendance at the Howe Sound Community Forum as part of a biosphere 
region within the Unesco Biosphere Reserve.  
 Attendance at the April 1, 2 and 3, 2022 Association of Vancouver Island and Coastal 
Communities and the Local Government Leadership Academy Convention in 
Victoria. 

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 Difficulties for elected officials across British Columbia due to social media issues. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
None 
5. TOWN HALL  
Members of the public commented on the following: 
 Acquiring Crown land for a mobile home park may be the quickest, cheapest, most feasible 
affordable housing solution. The land could be moved from the Public Use PU (a) zone to 
Public Use (PU) zone and the zoning could be made flexible, acceptable, and specific to the 
needs of Hornby Island. This rezoning needs to occur quickly to accommodate young people, 
elders and people living in the bush, whose campfires may endanger the entire island. 
 The present Advisory Planning Commission is biased against short term vacation rentals 
(STR)s and have overlooked 2012 and 2017 community consultation records of support for 
STRs. Why is the issue being revisited when it was so thoroughly addressed in the recent 
past? Also, the current meeting process of the APC is non-representative of a broad 
selection of the community.  
o Trustee Grant noted that there would be upcoming extensive community consultations 
on the APC recommendations. 
 Speaking as a designated speaking alternate for Electoral Area Director Daniel Arbor, Karen 
Ross reported that the Comox Valley Regional District (CVRD) was presently conducting a 
region wide review of BC transit services; that Denman and Hornby Islands were missing 
from the last 2014 review; and, that it is important that the Trust get involved given that 
many members of the Hornby public need local bus service. 
 The LTC needs to consider rezoning options for affordable housing projects as a top priority. 
 Regarding the Temporary Use Permit (TUP) for the smoke/fish shop, will the TUP be 
reissued? 
o Chair Fast invited the member of the public to contact a planner. 
 A petition regarding Seawright Road was in process. 
6. DELEGATIONS 
6.1 Wendy Burton for Advisory Planning Commission Recommendations 
APC Chair Wendy Burton presented the recently completed four-page APC report titled 
‘Housing and Short Term Rentals Recommendations from Hornby Island Advisory 
Planning Commission March 29, 2022,’ noting that considerable time had been spent 
seeking community input and that the following resource persons with a voice but no 
vote had attended the APC meetings regularly over 5 months: Sadie Chezenko and April 
Lewis, members of the Hornby Island Housing Society; Katherine Ronan and Rudy 
Rogalsky, members of the Board of the Hornby Island Community Economic 
Enhancement Corporation (HICEEC); and Patrick Lui, Secretary of the Hornby Island 
Short Term Rental Association (HISTRA); and, that written submissions were received 
from Tony Law, Ed Hoeppner, Gina Horvath, and Fred Hunt. 
Chair Fast and Trustees thanked the APC for their report.  
7. MINUTES 

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7.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated February 18, 2022 - for adoption 
By general consent the Local Trust committee meeting minutes of February 18, 2022 
were adopted. 
7.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report dated April 26, 2022 
Received. 
7.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - for receipt 
7.3.1 January 14, 2022 
7.3.2 January 28, 2022 
7.3.3 February 11, 2022 
7.3.4 February 25, 2022 
7.3.5 March 18, 2022 
7.3.6 March 29, 2022 
Received. 
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List Report dated April 26, 2022 
Chair Fast noted that Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor Lisa Wilcox had moved on 
to other work. 
8.2 Fees Bylaw No. 169 - Update - Staff Report 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented the staff report that recommends that 
Trustees adopt the updated fees bylaw. 
HO-LTC-2022-018 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 169, cited as “Hornby Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2022”, be read a first time. 
CARRIED 
HO-LTC-2022-019 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 169, cited as “Hornby Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2022”, be read a second time. 
CARRIED 
HO-LTC-2022-020 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 169, cited as “Hornby Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2022”, be read a third time. 
CARRIED 

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HO-LTC-2022-021 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 169, cited as “Hornby Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2022”, be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands 
Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
CARRIED 
8.3 Siting and Use Permit Bylaw - Staff Report 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented the staff report on the updated Siting and 
Use Permit Bylaw 168 which removes outdated references and processes contained in 
the older Siting and Use Permit bylaw and which adds a new requirement that site plans 
within 1 meter of a required setback be professionally drawn rather than hand drawn by 
the applicant to reduce error. 
HO-LTC-2022-022 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 168 cited as “Hornby Island 
Local Trust Committee Siting and Use Permit Bylaw 168, 2021”, be read a first time. 
CARRIED 
HO-LTC-2022-023 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 168 cited as “Hornby Island 
Local Trust Committee Siting and Use Permit Bylaw 168, 2021”, be read a second time. 
CARRIED 
HO-LTC-2022-024 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 168, cited as “Hornby Island al 
Trust Committee Siting and Use Permit Bylaw 168, 2021”, be read a third time. 
CARRIED 
HO-LTC-2022-025 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee forward draft Bylaw No. 168 cited as 
“Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Siting and Use Permit Bylaw 168, 2021” to the 
Islands Trust Executive Committee for approval. 
CARRIED 
8.4 Islands Trust Ferry Terminal Signage - for discussion 
Chair Fast, Trustees, and Regional Planning Manager Kauer noted the following: 
 The original ferry sign at Buckley Bay which included requesting visitors to Denman 
and Hornby to be protective of the sensitive ecology of the islands has been lost for 
many years and BC Ferries does not know what happened to it. 
 K’omoks First Nations had previously suggested that they be contacted for comment 
about welcome/entry signs after a sign is designed. 

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 The Islands Trust Draft Communications Policy is not competed yet. 
 Claire Frater manages Islands Trust signage and may have a data base of signs.  
Trustee Allen volunteered to contact her regarding signage. 
 HIRRA has another concept for a sign. 
9. APPLICATIONS, REFERRALS AND BYLAWS 
9.1 Bylaw No. 166 - for consideration of adoption 
Regional Planning Manager noted that this bylaw regarding minimum average lot areas, 
had already gone through all three readings and executive and ministry approval, and 
was being presented to Trustees for final adoption. 
HO-LTC-2022-026 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Hornby Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 166 cited as “Hornby Island Official 
Community Plan, 2014, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, be adopted. 
CARRIED 
9.2 HO-DVP-2022.1 – Hornby Island Resorts- update 
9.2.1 Staff Report dated February 18, 2022 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented the staff report which asks that 
Trustees approve the application from Hornby Island Resort for variances for a 
building height extension and a sewage disposal field setback decrease. 
The applicant joined the meeting after the presentation of the staff report at 
11:56 am and spoke on the application. 
Trustees expressed support for the height variance but concern about future 
wind and tide erosion of the proposed septic field variance; and, questioned if 
K’omoks First Nations had fully approved the variances, given that the staff 
report dated February 18, 2022 was being re-presented today without updates. 
o Regional Planning Manager Kauer responded that staff had received, only 
two days ago, an email correspondence from Todd Boychuk, K’omoks 
Director of Intergovernmental Relations, and could forward this email to 
Trustees if K’omoks First Nations approved the forwarding of the email; and, 
that she could confirm that the correspondence indicated K’omoks First 
Nation had no concerns with the variances.  
HO-LTC-2022-027 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development 
Variance Permit HO-DVP-2022.1 (Hornby Island Resort). 
CARRIED 
10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
10.1 Budget for Official Community Plan Targeted Review 

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Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented on a whiteboard the process of turning 
APC recommendations into formal bylaws within a budget of $15,000, noting the 
following: 
 that referral to First Nations and a Public Hearing and public readings of the bylaws 
were required by legislation, but that other or extra forms of public engagement 
were discretionary.  
 that hiring a consultant to draft bylaws at $150.00 per hour for 100 hours could take 
up the entire budget. There may be some limited capacity for a planner to draft 
bylaws. 
 Public hearings cost approximately $800.00; survey monkey is very low cost; First 
Nations expect money for their time spent looking at LTC referrals. 
 Part of the budget could go to a public meeting facilitator. 
 For online surveys, there was a system to ensure only one response per IP address. 
 
APC Chair Burton and Trustees agreed that a public information meeting was better 
held before any drafting of bylaws. 
 A member of the public noted that off island property owners needed access to the 
public engagement process. 
HO-LTC-2022-028 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to develop a Project Charter 
with a detailed work plan based on the Advisory Planning Commission 
recommendations. 
CARRIED 
The meeting recessed at 12:30 pm and reconvened at 12:52 pm. 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
11.1 Email dated March 3, 2022 - Greetings from the BC Electoral Boundaries Commission 
Received. 
11.2 Letter dated March 27, 2022 from T. Law regarding Amending the Home Owner Grant 
Program to Support Residential Housing 
Received. 
11.3 Email dated April 20, 2022 from G. Underhill regarding - Neighbourhood Beach 
Parking and Overuse on Hornby Island  
Received. 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Annual Report - Staff Report  

ADOPTED 
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HO-LTC-2022-029 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee endorse the following text for inclusion in 
the 2021-2022 Annual Report for approval by the Islands Trust Council and submission 
to the Minister of Municipal Affairs & Housing:  
 
The Hornby Island Local Trust Committee (HOILTC) held five regular business meetings, 
one Public Hearing, one special business meeting and one special meeting/in camera 
meeting in the 2021/22 fiscal year, for a total of eight meetings.  
 
Work for this period focused on advancing the HOILTC priorities to address freshwater 
sustainability, the Hornby Island Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw. The LTC 
gave three readings to an Official Community Plan amendment bylaw and adopted a 
Land Use Bylaw amendment focused on clarifying the minimum average lot area for 
subdivision.  
 
The HOILTC also amended their Meeting Procedures Bylaw to allow all LTC meetings to 
be electronic when needed.  
 
From April 1, 2021 to March 31, 2022, the HOILTC received and considered applications 
for six development variance permits, three development permits, and one temporary 
use permit. During the same time period staff also reviewed 16 siting and use permits, 
one crown lease referral, and one subdivision referral. 
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated January 25, 2022 
13.1.1 The Heron - Spring 2022  
Chair Fast noted that William Tempest of Victoria had recently left 10% of his 
estate to the Islands Trust Conservancy. 
13.2 Applications Report dated April 26, 2022 
Received. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated February, 2022 
Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
None. 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated April 26, 2022 

ADOPTED 
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It was noted that Hornby Island was the only Gulf Island with a Municipal Regional 
District Tax (MRDT) ‘Pillow’ tax.  
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to find out whether the 
Municipal Regional District Pillow tax needs support and approval from the Local Trust 
Committee on top of Comox Valley Regional District approval, or not. 
CARRIED 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer noted that Katherine Ronan would be meeting with 
planning staff for a pre-application meeting regarding the rezoning of a piece of land 
proposed for affordable housing, adding that people who are not the owners of a parcel 
of land can apply for its rezoning with the owner’s permission. 
14.2 Projects List Report dated April 26, 2022 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer clarified that land zoned agriculture is not necessarily 
also in the Agriculture Land Reserve and the two categories have different rules around 
second dwellings. 
15. INFORMATION ITEMS 
15.1 Islands Trust Council Decision Highlights - March 2022 
Decision Highlights 
Received 
16. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
16.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Friday, June 10, 2022 at 10:30 am at Room to 
Grow, 2100 Sollans Road, Hornby Island, BC 
17. CLOSED MEETING 
17.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
The regular meeting was closed at 1:12 pm. 
HO-LTC-2022-031 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1) (a) and (d) for the purpose of considering appointment of 
Advisory Planning Commission Members and adoption of In-Camera Meeting minutes 
dated November 26, 2021 and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
17.2 Recall to Order 
The meeting was reconvened at 1:28 pm. 

ADOPTED 
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18. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:29 pm. 
 
 
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Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Katherine Vogt, Recorder