Islands Trust Programs Committee regular meeting, May 12, 2022

[0:00:02] Voice 7: Hi, sir.

[0:00:02] Voice 7: Oh!

[0:00:04] Voice 7: 2.6 kilometers, and everything I have is silver.

[0:00:12] Voice 7: How does that work?

[0:00:14] Voice 5: Oh, dear.

[0:00:16] Voice 7: And so we should be broadcasting.

[0:00:28] Voice 7: Unless I have no idea.

[0:00:31] I don't know.

[0:00:32] Voice 4: For the fireball.

[0:00:33] Voice 5: Oh, OK.

[0:00:36] Voice 4: I was holding off on some things.

[0:00:38] Voice 4: Just doesn't make sense to set some emails up, and then it changes.

[0:00:43] Voice 4: Yeah, yeah.

[0:00:45] Voice 4: And

[0:00:46] Trustee Langereis: I don't know why I was there.

[0:00:48] Trustee Langereis: I don't get a role, because I'm a renter, right?

[0:00:51] Voice 4: Yeah, well, I

[0:00:52] Voice 4: just thought you might know.

[0:00:55] Voice 4: And I'm going to start.

[0:01:01] Voice 5: Again, I'm not so sure.

[0:01:02] Voice 4: I

[0:01:03] Voice 5: don't find it good.

[0:01:08] Voice 5: I didn't see one.

[0:01:16] Voice 4: Nadine, are you ready?

[0:01:17] Voice 4: and plan

[0:01:19] Trustee Langereis: to get you ready and questions yes um so uh i it says we're recording and live streaming

[0:01:29] Trustee Langereis: so welcome anyone who's watching online uh they're live streaming i always like it says

[0:01:38] Trustee Langereis: live streaming when i know it's like a 25 second delay but anyway it's effectively a live streaming

[0:01:45] Trustee Langereis: me i'm recording welcome to the uh uh regular meeting of the thank you and actually while i'm

[0:01:52] Trustee Langereis: talking i'm going to remove my mask because i it's muffled so much um welcome to the regular meeting

[0:01:57] Trustee Langereis: of may 12 2022 of the gabriella local trust committee uh we're um very uh happy to be here

[0:02:08] Trustee Langereis: on gabriola on a soggy day um a beautiful day in the rain forest uh uh on gabriola which of course

[0:02:16] Trustee Langereis: has been the home for uh the coast salish peoples um and for millennium and uh of course this is

[0:02:26] Trustee Langereis: this wonderful rain that we've been getting for what seems like a long time now it's middle of may

[0:02:32] Trustee Langereis: we would like a little bit of rain is what creates has created over the millennium a

[0:02:38] Trustee Langereis: lot of what makes this place so special we're privileged to be here and and of course want

[0:02:47] Trustee Langereis: to acknowledge that we're in the traditional territory in particular of the tsunamic first

[0:02:52] Trustee Langereis: nation and we are we are privileged to have a friendship with them i think let's turn

[0:03:01] Trustee Langereis: to the other either trustees and ask if either of you would like to um make an acknowledgement

[0:03:06] Trustee Langereis: before we start the meeting yeah

[0:03:08] Voice 7: go

[0:03:09] Trustee Langereis: ahead uh trustee yeah i'd like to

[0:03:12] Voice 4: also acknowledge the

[0:03:13] Voice 4: fact that i had am on the traditional territory of the same presentation i feel purposefully

[0:03:19] Voice 4: haven't been able to linger for so many years and i appreciate the legacy that they've left

[0:03:25] Voice 4: us in terms of the environment okay

[0:03:29] Trustee Langereis: thank you good thanks very much uh i would like to introduce as

[0:03:34] Trustee Langereis: i said this is the reader regular meeting i am my name is dan rogers for those of you not in the

[0:03:39] Trustee Langereis: room uh i have been the had the privilege of being the chair of this particular local trust committee

[0:03:44] Trustee Langereis: committee now for uh three years and and seven months uh and um I actually uh come from uh from

[0:03:57] Trustee Langereis: the and live usually in the in the traditional territory of the Squamish people Squamish nation

[0:04:03] Trustee Langereis: uh in Alcázar house sound on Keats Island happy to be here um and just introduce the people that

[0:04:10] Trustee Langereis: you hear and see today uh which are include um uh the two trustee scott colburn who uh

[0:04:20] Trustee Langereis: he's just raised his hand and trustee case longer heist um we have nadine moreau who's our reporter

[0:04:28] Trustee Langereis: nice to see you nadine you probably won't see her on the camera uh you may or may not see but you

[0:04:34] Trustee Langereis: will certainly hear from planner um sonja zibanec uh nice to see you of course we have joining us

[0:04:43] Trustee Langereis: remotely we have regional planning manager uh heather cower good morning heather

[0:04:51] Trustee Langereis: and we may hear from her from time to time we have two people in the room and you'll be hearing from

[0:04:58] Trustee Langereis: um uh regional director vanessa craig nice to see you and i said it was here in person

[0:05:03] Trustee Langereis: it doesn't happen a lot because we usually conflict on some level but it's great to see you

[0:05:10] Trustee Langereis: and that's who you'll see today this is is the the the version of a hybrid meeting that we have

[0:05:18] Trustee Langereis: in the islands trust these days we have a regular in-person meeting

[0:05:24] Trustee Langereis: anyone is welcome to attend that regular meeting we also have a uh this is being live streamed

[0:05:33] Trustee Langereis: And it's being recorded with the equipment, it will appear on the website in a few days I'm not quite sure how long it takes these days but if you go to the, the, the link to this particular meeting data in a few days you will be able to find the recording

[0:05:50] Trustee Langereis: of this meeting uh if you're interested in watching it further in time uh we do not have

[0:05:56] Trustee Langereis: the ability to um have people who are watching the live stream uh join us remotely to uh to

[0:06:05] Trustee Langereis: question to ask questions or to um make commentary uh we if you need to do that just a reminder you

[0:06:12] Trustee Langereis: need to come to the actual hall itself or be or ask to be a delegation if you have something

[0:06:17] Trustee Langereis: that fits our delegation so that you can be a participant in the meeting it's a it's a

[0:06:23] Trustee Langereis: technological reason um in terms of uh managing the event it's the difference between a zoom

[0:06:32] Trustee Langereis: meeting and a zoom webinar this is a zoom meeting that's being broadcast um so thank you all for

[0:06:38] Trustee Langereis: joining us um i think i'll turn to what is a relatively short agenda now and ask if um

[0:06:46] Trustee Langereis: trustees have anything or staff has anything they need to add or amend to the agenda nothing from

[0:06:52] Trustee Langereis: trustee colburn nothing from trustee longrise then we'll take the agenda uh approved as presented i

[0:06:59] Trustee Langereis: have nothing to amend as well um so the first item on the agenda is uh trustee reports and i'll turn

[0:07:06] Trustee Langereis: to uh trustee longer perhaps because i'm looking in that direction and ask if you have a report

[0:07:12] Trustee Langereis: Yeah,

[0:07:13] Voice 4: just to take off my mask, just a very brief report. Since the last Trust Committee meeting,

[0:07:21] Voice 4: what I met was the April of the Museum people and some citizens over at Gallagher Registrar,

[0:07:31] Voice 4: which is what prompted the report that I submitted. We had a Trust Programs Committee meeting in April,

[0:07:39] Voice 4: and it was again a fairly short agenda we didn't have a i don't know a lot of major items to

[0:07:46] Voice 4: discuss what will be happening for the trust programs committee is we're going to be calling

[0:07:51] Voice 4: for an in-person meeting in july to talk about and review the sunday report from isl the engineering

[0:08:00] Voice 4: so that will be occurring we're actually meeting as well tomorrow tomorrow morning

[0:08:09] Voice 4: the Trust Programs Committee.

[0:08:11] Voice 4: And we'll be talking about the specific date

[0:08:14] Voice 4: for that in-person meeting.

[0:08:16] Voice 4: He'll be held in line for the meeting.

[0:08:20] Voice 4: Other than that, next week we're gonna reach on time

[0:08:24] Voice 4: to get some things available.

[0:08:27] Voice 4: I haven't seen the agenda for that yet,

[0:08:29] Voice 4: but it should be coming out shortly.

[0:08:31] Voice 4: The other thing I've been doing is reading

[0:08:33] Voice 4: all of the correspondence on the Trust Policy Statement

[0:08:38] Voice 4: Review.

[0:08:38] Voice 4: I mean, there's been a lot of correspondence since when it started, opened up until May

[0:08:47] Voice 4: last week, we've had about 581 submissions, so that's a lot, and of that,

[0:08:56] Voice 4: 554 came in

[0:08:59] Voice 4: from January 2021 until now.

[0:09:02] Voice 4: The majority actually started in January 1, and I think that was the lead up to the July

[0:09:08] Voice 4: a meeting when we're going to do first meeting and a lot of that correspondence was on the issue of

[0:09:14] Voice 4: should we do first meeting it's interesting but interspersed throughout that there's a lot of

[0:09:20] other views and perspectives that have been presented i found it very interesting to read

[0:09:26] through carefully

[0:09:27] Voice 4: all those new correspondence and it's a lot and it varies but the predominant

[0:09:34] Voice 4: due to delaying the process.

[0:09:39] Voice 4: There are some positive responses saying,

[0:09:43] Voice 4: no, go ahead, do it, but generally it's going to be delayed

[0:09:46] Voice 4: for different reasons.

[0:09:49] Voice 4: I mean, some people have one perspective

[0:09:52] Voice 4: and they trust and they want to delay it,

[0:09:54] Voice 4: and the others have another perspective

[0:09:55] Voice 4: and they want to delay it.

[0:09:57] Voice 4: We've also had about 18 and 19 submissions from groups.

[0:10:02] Voice 4: I'm not talking about the official referrals, you know, various groups throughout the trust,

[0:10:08] Voice 4: and there are a couple of organized groups and other agencies, voting agencies, etc.

[0:10:17] Voice 4: It's a lot to go through, but it's actually it's worthwhile reading and there are some

[0:10:21] Voice 4: really thoughtful, I found very thoughtful submissions on positive submissions, but asking

[0:10:28] Voice 4: for change in the draft policy statement.

[0:10:30] Voice 4: And that, to me, is the most effective submission that we can get at this point.

[0:10:36] Voice 4: You can give four or eight, but tell us why.

[0:10:40] Voice 4: And it's closed now, the official survey, but that doesn't mean people still can't put in submissions.

[0:10:47] Voice 4: And I didn't count the number of individuals, because some people submitted multiple submissions.

[0:10:53] Voice 4: submissions, but in terms of individuals just on their own, putting in one or more letters,

[0:11:00] Voice 4: it goes about from January till July of 2021, there were 182 individuals that chose to submit

[0:11:09] Voice 4: something, one or more letters. And then from July 8th till now, another 148. So that's

[0:11:24] Voice 4: The other thing, a sad note, is of course the passing of Gail One, former trustee and also regional director of Appleton recently.

[0:11:33] Voice 4: And she was also the choir master for the Gay Baroda Choir for 40 years, and she was an accomplished musician, pianist.

[0:11:44] Voice 4: It was a sad passing for Gay Baroda. I think that's it, thanks.

[0:11:53] Voice 3: Yeah, and also some of my thoughts to Gaelan's friends and family, it's a big loss and congratulations

[0:12:00] Voice 3: to one of the things we're going to discuss more is the Community Stewardship Awards and

[0:12:04] Voice 3: of course one of them is a posthumous one for Chris Straub, so it's near and dear my

[0:12:09] Voice 3: heart as well.

[0:12:09] Voice 3: So it's been a difficult few years, we've lost some good people and so report this week

[0:12:18] Voice 3: i attended the ferry advisory committee the bc ferries executive staff came over uh director

[0:12:23] Voice 3: craig attended that as well that was a busy day because we also had the social planning

[0:12:27] Voice 3: function service session with a lot of community members and gave real health and wellness

[0:12:33] Voice 3: collaborative and really good discussion about that service and dealing with some of the gaps

[0:12:36] Voice 3: in social health outcomes that this disorganized area system sort of throws at us so that was a

[0:12:42] Voice 3: great conversation with ferry meeting i brought up the what i thought was a discriminatory

[0:12:47] Voice 3: appropriate evening process and you see ferries which heard that and responded to it not adequately

[0:12:54] Voice 3: in my opinion but we also discussed a lot of the issues with the uh second ferry uh stopping

[0:13:01] Voice 3: service at a certain point in the evening and the overflow that's going to occur especially in the

[0:13:04] Voice 3: summer and i brought up some issues around emergency services and our busy call-out times

[0:13:09] Voice 3: just kind of happen once it's back so we're just kind of getting some of the reviews out of service

[0:13:13] Voice 3: service um uh trustee lingeris has spoken about saving everything i'm waiting to see the full

[0:13:19] Voice 3: range of engagement i think that'll be a multiplier on top of the emails we received a more varied

[0:13:26] Voice 3: source of information and i'm also announcing today that i will not be seeking a second

[0:13:32] Voice 3: consecutive term or consecutive terms trustee so i'm open to serving this community uh not in

[0:13:37] Voice 3: consecutive terms so that's not a good way to put it so in

[0:13:41] Trustee Langereis: other words you're not running you're not

[0:13:42] Trustee Langereis: good yes

[0:13:50] Voice 4: as well step back and sit over in those chairs

[0:14:04] Trustee Langereis: Okay. Anything else? That's it. So there you go. We now know that the announcement from both trustees, so people watching there's, it's always important to have people that are engaged in the community to be to step up.

[0:14:24] Trustee Langereis: i've known two sets of uh gabriola trustees over over two germs and uh i've really been impressed

[0:14:32] Trustee Langereis: by their dedication both to the uh both to their well particularly to their community but also to

[0:14:38] Trustee Langereis: the trust um and then hard working uh so uh i'm quite sure that this community will put forward

[0:14:47] Trustee Langereis: really accomplished people to do this work um let me just fill in a couple of uh of gaps yes

[0:14:55] Trustee Langereis: tomorrow is the trust policy um sorry trust programs committee which has the first

[0:15:03] Trustee Langereis: vetting of nominees for uh for the community stewardship awards and thank you for acknowledging

[0:15:11] Trustee Langereis: and i'm glad to see that mr straws is there that is an in-camera process that then has to be

[0:15:16] Trustee Langereis: approved by the um by the uh trust council the recommendations are made to trust council who

[0:15:23] Trustee Langereis: will decide that in june so the announcements will come out in uh in june as to who will be

[0:15:30] Trustee Langereis: recipients of the of the community stewardship award um just the other uh you probably both

[0:15:39] Trustee Langereis: both aware of this but uh the executive committee at the request of the trust programs committee

[0:15:45] Trustee Langereis: did approve funding for an in-person meeting for to review the um the report from isl and the staff

[0:15:53] Trustee Langereis: uh so the process is is that after all the community engagement that occurred

[0:15:59] Trustee Langereis: um from january through till i think mostly until sometime mid-april there's now a report being

[0:16:07] Trustee Langereis: prepared. I don't know what's going to be called a what we heard report, but it's going to be a report on what was heard. In addition to all of the material that are the letters that have been written, of course, there are hundreds of surveys that have been turned in, both electronically and paper, as well there was all the in-person outreach and communication

[0:16:35] Trustee Langereis: communication that occurred on all of the islands in person the only island that didn't get a quote

[0:16:40] Trustee Langereis: unquote in person was was my area because it was just it's actually better to do electronically

[0:16:46] Trustee Langereis: because we're so dispersed um it's hard to find one uh there's so many islands and so many

[0:16:51] Trustee Langereis: communities so that and all the other ones that were at least two engagement opportunities plus

[0:16:56] Trustee Langereis: the focus groups plus plus plus so that all of that will come into support in addition to all

[0:17:03] Trustee Langereis: of insurance being and that's the intent of the meeting in july is for the trust programs

[0:17:09] Trustee Langereis: committee to take a look at all that and make recommendations trust council of course press

[0:17:14] Trustee Langereis: council has to decide on uh that process appropriate when it meets in june uh we are meeting

[0:17:21] Trustee Langereis: in june um we are it's the third week in june i think 21 to 23. um it's electronic um it's not an

[0:17:31] Trustee Langereis: in-person meeting and it will be interesting to see we're in the process as an executive we're

[0:17:41] Trustee Langereis: in the process of deciding what the format will look like in terms of of a electronic meeting

[0:17:50] Trustee Langereis: so if either of you want to talk to me about we're sort of debating whether it's two days

[0:17:55] Trustee Langereis: and three days right now we're we're suggesting it remain in three days because two days would

[0:18:00] Trustee Langereis: be too long a day um but if any if either of you wish to comment on that or let me know

[0:18:06] Trustee Langereis: um i just wanted to um say one thing about about uh something that i've been doing besides all of

[0:18:16] Trustee Langereis: the committee work that do of course as i've told you i'm from alcatraz and i just want to

[0:18:21] Trustee Langereis: reiterate what i've said before is um there is a a forum there that brings all the various

[0:18:28] Trustee Langereis: communities together, including not-for-profits and volunteer groups and

[0:18:36] Trustee Langereis: indigenous and First Nations, et cetera.

[0:18:39] Trustee Langereis: It's called the Housetown Forum, Alcantara Housetown Forum.

[0:18:42] Trustee Langereis: I just want to reiterate how valuable those types of forums are.

[0:18:48] Trustee Langereis: The trust has taken a leadership role in trying to support them in a small

[0:18:51] Trustee Langereis: financial way.

[0:18:52] Trustee Langereis: We have a secretariat service that we fund to the tune of approximately

[0:18:57] Trustee Langereis: approximately $15,000 per year and that money goes a long way and this forum has been operating now

[0:19:03] Trustee Langereis: for 20 years we just had our 20th anniversary and um well it has its own struggles in terms of of

[0:19:10] Trustee Langereis: uh finding a way to keep viable without without tremendous resources from a couple of people who

[0:19:16] Trustee Langereis: volunteer it is an invaluable source of of people coming together so um it's just something I wanted

[0:19:23] Trustee Langereis: wanted to acknowledge that and i know that there's some efforts to do that in southern gulf islands

[0:19:27] Trustee Langereis: and other and a big sound which has brought denman and blundy and and some of those communities

[0:19:33] Trustee Langereis: together it's a wonderful way to bring organizations together and we always have to remember that one

[0:19:40] Trustee Langereis: of the the uh mandates of one of the aspects of the mandate of the trust is working with others

[0:19:46] Trustee Langereis: um and sometimes that's that happens in an ad hoc fashion but i think it's important going

[0:19:52] Trustee Langereis: going forward, that it'd be much more focused.

[0:19:59] Trustee Langereis: But before, I know that this community works

[0:20:03] Trustee Langereis: with the regional district on a fairly regular basis,

[0:20:06] Trustee Langereis: and sometimes it might be a good idea

[0:20:09] Trustee Langereis: to look even farther afield.

[0:20:11] Trustee Langereis: So with that, that's my report.

[0:20:15] Trustee Langereis: There's lots of change at the trust, I'll just say that.

[0:20:19] Trustee Langereis: And I say that because our director of planning

[0:20:21] Trustee Langereis: planning has now left his position. He served in an acting still as the director of planning

[0:20:28] Trustee Langereis: while we're in the new hiring process. He is now becoming the manager, the director

[0:20:32] Trustee Langereis: of legislative services as David Marla, because the director, the manager of legislative services

[0:20:38] Trustee Langereis: has retired. And so that's happened. And there have been some other shuffles in terms of

[0:20:44] Trustee Langereis: the management solution. So change is happening and some structural changes happening at the

[0:20:50] Trustee Langereis: trust as we work through the the planning services review and what that actually looks like going

[0:20:56] Trustee Langereis: forward it'll be interesting to see how that combines with the governance report combines with

[0:21:03] Trustee Langereis: the policy statement all that work comes together at the end of this term and what the next

[0:21:08] Trustee Langereis: council takes from that as as we move forward into um a new term in about five months um so that's

[0:21:18] my report uh we

[0:21:21] Trustee Langereis: are very pleased to have the uh electoral area director here um and vanessa craig

[0:21:29] Trustee Langereis: director craig uh are you gonna you're gonna give a report would you you just wanna do it from there

[0:21:34] Voice 7: yeah

[0:21:34] Trustee Langereis: why don't you come up and let the people i'll just move out of the way

[0:21:38] Trustee Langereis: to sit here and uh and then you can be on camera thank

[0:21:48] Voice 4: you um uh just a few updates to share and

[0:21:54] Voice 4: thank you again for inviting me and and thank you trustees welders and culver for working i think

[0:22:02] Voice 4: one of the things we wanted to do is to try and reinvigorate the relationship between the trust

[0:22:06] Voice 4: and the rdn and i i think we're we've made some progress there so thank you um the opening

[0:22:13] Voice 4: celebration for the huxton park skate park and other improvements is on may 28th from 12 30 to

[0:22:17] Voice 4: 1 30. i was um told you would receive an invitation i asked for you too so i'm i would love to see you

[0:22:24] Voice 4: all there and it sounds like the community is also planning uh something for the afternoon

[0:22:29] Voice 4: after that official opening as well which sounds really fun so uh fingers crossed the weather is

[0:22:35] Voice 4: not like this um the audience regional parks and trails strategy closed and the data are being

[0:22:42] Voice 4: analyzed i'll provide updates as we move forward but any updates will be on the get involved website

[0:22:49] Voice 4: and the the feasibility study that trustee colburn mentioned is started on the potential cost and

[0:22:55] Voice 4: function of creating a community health and well-being planner we had a first stakeholder

[0:22:59] Voice 4: meeting this week with members of the health and wellness collaborative which it represents

[0:23:05] Voice 4: probably at least 30 organizations from Gabriela, Ledge and Deporcy that work to better the health and wellness of people from a wide range of things from recreation to health services and support services and emergency services.

[0:23:21] Voice 4: So it's a very diverse group. And I was really happy that we could we could kick that off.

[0:23:28] Voice 4: the the staff report about the implication of the recent fuel management prescription for the 707

[0:23:35] Voice 4: community park i provided an update at the last meeting that we're about to consider a report

[0:23:39] Voice 4: that indicate based on the fuel management prescription that the 707 community park be

[0:23:44] Voice 4: added to the list of prohibited parks for uh people sheltering in the park under the bylaw

[0:23:49] Voice 4: number 1801 2019 the electoral area services committee subsequently voted in favor of that

[0:23:57] Voice 4: it went to the board and was supported so the 707 is now on the list of prohibited parks

[0:24:03] Voice 4: um i attached a community wildfire resiliency plan for area b which was done by diamond head

[0:24:11] Voice 4: it's an excellent report i think uh really provides a very useful overview of steps that

[0:24:17] Voice 4: we can take to promote wildfire resiliency in the community a large part of it versus fire smarting

[0:24:22] Voice 4: um but there's there's other aspects as well some of it each electoral area has a different report

[0:24:29] Voice 4: and so i was quite pleased to see that that it did reflect some of the specific issues for our

[0:24:34] Voice 4: island and also ledge and horsey so i think it provides us with um a bit of a roadmap moving

[0:24:40] Voice 4: forward and and staff are already talking about getting some grants to to work on some of that

[0:24:45] Voice 4: um there's some islands trust is is indicated as a partner in in some of these these things and

[0:24:51] Voice 4: it's mentioned in the report obviously the rdn doesn't do land use planning here but some of

[0:24:57] Voice 4: the other electoral areas might have suggestions that might be of interest as well uh just to

[0:25:03] Voice 4: mention that we received our building permit activity update um surprisingly the permits

[0:25:09] Voice 4: issued in area b for the first quarter was 21 compared to 32 in the first quarter last year

[0:25:14] Voice 4: and that's not just due to delays in processing building permits i think i think it slowed down

[0:25:21] Voice 4: slightly however the value of those permits across the rdn even though the construction

[0:25:27] Voice 4: number of permits was lower across the rdn the value was suppressed more than 40 million dollars

[0:25:33] Voice 4: which was compared to the 2021 which was 26 million so that's a significant increase and

[0:25:39] Voice 4: just goes to show the costs of the labor and supplies just really increased we are looking

[0:25:46] Voice 4: We're looking at tools for bylaw enforcement, so part of these issues is long-standing property bylaw files which are very difficult to address and we're asking for staff to investigate alternate methods including cost recovery options.

[0:26:03] Voice 4: Municipalities often use those types of cost recovery options, they are less common in regional districts, but there may be some options for looking at that.

[0:26:12] Voice 4: Yesterday I met with the new MOTI Operations Manager, so there's been a bit of a gap as the previous Operations Manager was moving on to a different job.

[0:26:23] Voice 4: And I would like to request that you work with me as trustees to develop a letter of support.

[0:26:30] Voice 4: I've asked for a playground, MOTI to consider a playground zone around Huxley Park.

[0:26:36] Voice 4: either combining it with the school zone and becoming one long play around zone and that would

[0:26:40] Voice 4: be up to the motif to how to do it also look at the option of a crosswalk across from the Huxley

[0:26:48] Voice 4: park entrance there's an indication that there might be too many crosswalks along there and it

[0:26:54] Voice 4: motif would need to look at the the area but when I met her she said one of the things that would

[0:27:00] Voice 4: help initiate the process is to indicate a formal letter of request and i've already had a letter of

[0:27:06] Voice 4: support from the rcmp so i'll be talking to other emergency groups and then submitting kind of a

[0:27:12] Voice 4: package for an official request for that to be looked at and i think it would be really helpful

[0:27:17] Voice 4: if we could work on a letter or you could provide a letter separate as well i've also requested that

[0:27:23] Voice 4: multi look at the north south road intersection we've talked about this for potential improvements

[0:27:27] Voice 4: as well as along the stretch of the fairy hill between north south road and taylor bay road

[0:27:32] Voice 4: and i've talked about creating a working group with the rdn moatee us and and the islands trust

[0:27:40] Voice 4: um just to to explore that report that the islands trust had done with the um the pathway and there

[0:27:48] Voice 4: might be opportunities just in the interim just to expand that shoulder so they're going to be

[0:27:52] Voice 4: coming over and taking a look at that section of road and i'll be following that up with you

[0:27:56] Voice 4: separately and then other than that we just have some meetings upcoming we also are conducting

[0:28:02] Voice 4: hybrid meetings where people can attend in person but the majority of us are online

[0:28:07] Voice 4: so thank you for for inviting me to participate in the meeting

[0:28:16] Voice 7: informative meeting it reports as

[0:28:28] always it's uh

[0:28:30] Trustee Langereis: great to have you here always um i don't think i'll be making the 28th but i'll be

[0:28:37] Trustee Langereis: there in spirit given that that was the first thing that we I think if not the first thing it

[0:28:44] Trustee Langereis: was almost the first thing we worked on as a local trust committee so I'm I was when I was here in

[0:28:51] Trustee Langereis: April I got a little tour of it and it was quite exciting to see what had come of that discussion

[0:28:57] Trustee Langereis: that we had back in 2000, early 2019.

[0:29:02] Trustee Langereis: So anyway, thank you very much for that.

[0:29:07] Trustee Langereis: Firmations reports is the next item on the agenda.

[0:29:10] Trustee Langereis: And I'll turn to the two trustees

[0:29:12] Trustee Langereis: and ask if they have anything they wish to report.

[0:29:15] Trustee Langereis: Nothing from Trustee Longer,

[0:29:17] Trustee Langereis: anything from Trustee Kuhlman?

[0:29:18] Trustee Langereis: No, nothing from the report.

[0:29:19] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[0:29:22] Trustee Langereis: I guess the only thing I would say is,

[0:29:30] Trustee Langereis: it's we're continuing the engagement with uh first nations around the trust policy statement

[0:29:36] Trustee Langereis: and of course everything else um but with the senior government of policy advisory we

[0:29:42] Trustee Langereis: we both all acknowledged that last month not being there and no specific person being there

[0:29:49] Trustee Langereis: in replacement it's now become a organizational function which is which is perhaps a good thing

[0:29:55] Trustee Langereis: in the long run, but it's challenging at the moment.

[0:30:00] Trustee Langereis: But that is continuing, and there are events that are occurring, and we are still doing engagement around that and many other things.

[0:30:08] Trustee Langereis: The one

[0:30:09] Voice 1: thing I wanted to flag

[0:30:10] Trustee Langereis: was, because it came up in another trust, is one of the things the trust is committed to is to do what's called heritage cultural mapping.

[0:30:19] Trustee Langereis: And we approved the funding for that in March again for the current year.

[0:30:25] Trustee Langereis: I think that's going to be, if it goes where we think it's going to go, it's going to be

[0:30:31] Trustee Langereis: a sea change, both in our relationship with Indigenous and First Nations communities,

[0:30:38] Trustee Langereis: and also a great place for us to continue the education process for communities of life.

[0:30:47] Trustee Langereis: i wonder how we're going to get to where we need to be on that issue but it is one method i think

[0:30:53] Trustee Langereis: that could lead us to that as we raise the awareness of the various and and where heritage

[0:31:00] Trustee Langereis: uh development areas are created to to bring more awareness those things but that is an ongoing

[0:31:06] Trustee Langereis: project um so i'll turn now to town hall and we only have uh craig we have two participants does

[0:31:15] Trustee Langereis: anybody wish to speak to in town hall today nothing okay thank you then we'll move on

[0:31:22] Trustee Langereis: to the business part of the agenda and uh we have minutes are there any changes uh to the minutes of

[0:31:30] Trustee Langereis: april the 7th to my other trustees i have none this month either uh so thank you again nadine

[0:31:35] Trustee Langereis: for your your great work uh so we'll take those minutes adopted by consent uh as presented uh

[0:31:42] Trustee Langereis: there's no rwm or advising planning committing committees and minutes uh so the next item on

[0:31:49] Trustee Langereis: the agenda is that page 14 uh and that is the follow-up action list and i'll turn to

[0:31:56] Trustee Langereis: um as we put it and ask whether or not there's anything in there that you wish to

[0:32:01] Trustee Langereis: uh flag for us um everything

[0:32:04] Voice 4: there except for one that's been completed i saw that

[0:32:07] Voice 4: pretty good looks nice doesn't it

[0:32:09] Trustee Langereis: to see complete yes uh do either of the trustees have questions

[0:32:14] Trustee Langereis: regarding the follow-up action list for the nothing uh then we're into the next item on

[0:32:21] Trustee Langereis: the agenda is item 7.1 uh which is the gabriel housing source society sorry uh staff staff report

[0:32:32] Trustee Langereis: So, and I know we have Mr. Scott with us.

[0:32:34] Trustee Langereis: Welcome, Mr. Scott, Ian Scott, who is the representative with the GHS, and we also have Nancy Hetherton-Peirce with us.

[0:32:42] Trustee Langereis: Nice to see you again, of course. And I'll turn to the planner and then to outline the report.

[0:32:49] Trustee Langereis: And thank you for figuring out how to put the agenda up on the Zoom, the stream, so that's there for anybody who can follow along.

[0:32:58] Trustee Langereis: long, but if you need to the page 16 of your agenda package as well. Over to you.

[0:33:03] Trustee Langereis: Thank

[0:33:04] Voice 4: you so much through the chair. The Gabriel Local Trust Committee asked us to consider

[0:33:10] Voice 4: two amendments. It's being asked to consider these two amendments to propose bylaw number

[0:33:14] Voice 4: 308. It's attached in attachment 1 as a track changes for application GBRZ 2020.1. We're

[0:33:22] Voice 4: recommending that you accept these two amendments to the housing agreement bylaw today and give

[0:33:27] Voice 4: second and third reading so we can forward the bylaw to the executive committee for consideration

[0:33:32] Voice 4: of approval uh you did give first reading read first reading on april 7th last month and you

[0:33:40] Voice 4: also passed the resolution regarding requesting that we review the language for the galliano on

[0:33:47] Voice 4: the portable housing agreement for consistency with proposed bylaw number 308 and so this staff

[0:33:54] Voice 4: report provides you with some analysis to consider it which doesn't change our recommendation to not

[0:34:02] Voice 4: align the gabriel housing society's housing agreement with the galliano example

[0:34:08] Voice 4: so there is some analysis in the staff report related to that which i'll just briefly summarize

[0:34:13] Voice 4: and then leave you time to ask questions and the applicant is also available for any specific

[0:34:19] Voice 4: specific questions for bylaw 308.

[0:34:21] Voice 4: So although the Galliano and Vibriola housing agreements

[0:34:25] Voice 4: do differ in approach and somewhat format,

[0:34:29] Voice 4: they have both been drafted and have received

[0:34:33] Voice 4: at least some legal review in terms of Galliano's

[0:34:36] Voice 4: to ensure that there's a degree of flexibility

[0:34:38] Voice 4: that's required to be eligible

[0:34:41] Voice 4: for the funding opportunities

[0:34:42] Voice 4: that each individual not-for-profit organization

[0:34:44] Voice 4: is actually seeking to develop the properties

[0:34:47] Voice 4: for affordable housing.

[0:34:49] Voice 4: the terms and conditions of each of those housing agreements do vary to reflect the project the

[0:34:55] Voice 4: community and the input that they've received at the various levels that they're at

[0:35:00] Voice 4: so funding hasn't been secured reading a project as you know and so that was part of the rationale

[0:35:07] Voice 4: for that high degree of flexibility being built into the housing agreements and established in

[0:35:13] Voice 4: the wording to ensure that the funding program criteria that's going to be applied will have

[0:35:20] Voice 4: the ability to dictate those rent levels and the tenant mix for each of the properties

[0:35:26] Voice 4: so these the flexibility that's um presented in section e of proposed pilot number 308

[0:35:35] Voice 4: is identified as being required because there's no guarantee that bc housing's community housing

[0:35:40] Voice 4: Housing Fund program will have the same percentage of affordable market housing units in their

[0:35:45] Voice 4: next call for applications, which isn't expected until 2023.

[0:35:50] Voice 4: It's noted in the staff report that the Gabriel and Housing Society may also be receiving

[0:35:55] Voice 4: funding from the CMHC Co-Investment Fund, and they currently do not have a fixed affordable

[0:36:01] Voice 4: market target in the same way that BC Housing does, but their model is based on similar

[0:36:07] Voice 4: principles where there is some mix of deeply subsidized rents and some that are less

[0:36:12] Voice 4: subsidized. So the reason stated in the staff report, staff are not recommending any changes

[0:36:18] Voice 4: to align proposed bylaw number 308 with the Gabriel model. However, the applicant has proposed

[0:36:25] Voice 4: two minor edits to address the concerns that the LTC, the members of the LTC raised at the last

[0:36:33] Voice 4: meeting and these changes provide some additional clarity that a household's annual household income

[0:36:39] Voice 4: cannot exceed the low and moderate income level income limits set by BC Housing. So that's an

[0:36:48] Voice 4: amendment to section CIB that's presented in the staff report to add the text that in no

[0:36:58] Voice 4: circumstance shall the household's annual household income exceed the low and moderate income level

[0:37:03] Voice 4: limits and that's the definition for low and moderate income limits be included in the

[0:37:10] Voice 4: definition section as stated in the report established by DC Housing or published by DC

[0:37:17] Voice 4: Housing. The next section of the report addresses the email communications that we summarized in

[0:37:27] Voice 4: our last meeting with between the Gabriel Housing Society and to name of First Nations

[0:37:33] Voice 4: and so just to reiterate the messaging that you've already received is that the nation has indicated

[0:37:38] Voice 4: that they do not oppose the housing project and they're requesting a dedication of a percentage

[0:37:44] Voice 4: of homes for nation members the applicant is working with the nation and continues to work

[0:37:49] Voice 4: with the nation to set meetings for next steps to dialogue on the actual wording of those

[0:37:57] Voice 4: changes to the amendment that might need to be required and that would therefore be presented

[0:38:02] Voice 4: and back to the local trust committee for consideration of a future possible amendment

[0:38:07] Voice 4: so staff is suggesting that the applicant has sufficiently addressed the intent of your motion

[0:38:14] Voice 4: regarding the requirement to receive comments from student nation and so that we're asking

[0:38:22] Voice 4: that you can consider further readings at this time because there was an indication that that

[0:38:28] Voice 4: resolution was pausing any consideration of further ratings of the bylaw so the recommendations

[0:38:35] Voice 4: there are four pertaining to the necessary amendments to include those two minor changes

[0:38:42] Voice 4: in the housing agreement and to give second and third reading and forward to executive committee

[0:38:48] Voice 4: ian scott and then some more here so i'm here to speak specifically only to the proposed

[0:38:54] Voice 4: amendments or by law 308 that you are post-public hearing and i'm also available if you require me

[0:39:02] Voice 4: that's the clarity at this time thank you proceeds

[0:39:09] Voice 7: questions for the partner comments

[0:39:11] Voice 7: i don't

[0:39:15] Voice 4: have any questions no okay okay go

[0:39:18] Trustee Langereis: ahead um

[0:39:20] Voice 4: I've gone through it and spent a time reading it.

[0:39:24] Voice 4: If I go back to the definition of affordable housing funder,

[0:39:29] Voice 4: and I asked last time that, what does other mean?

[0:39:35] Voice 4: Is it intended to be limited to similar type of organizations

[0:39:39] Voice 4: like CMHC, DC Housing?

[0:39:43] Voice 4: And I understand there's a Canadian Municipalities

[0:39:46] Voice 4: Green Municipal Fund, which is another option.

[0:39:49] Voice 4: And are those the only three options that are available that are similar to Bain?

[0:39:57] Voice 4: That's one of my questions.

[0:40:00] Voice 4: And the reason I ask is because affordable housing funder, once you fall under that definition,

[0:40:06] Voice 4: you then fall into the position of deciding on income levels, representative market rent units,

[0:40:14] Voice 4: and energy code, and type of sewer system.

[0:40:16] Voice 4: So you do have a lot of power once you follow that definition.

[0:40:20] Voice 4: And my question revolves around, does it include credit unions, banks, private organizations?

[0:40:30] Voice 4: Because I'm not certain that how limiting it is.

[0:40:35] Voice 4: I know sometimes we have A, B, and then we have other.

[0:40:42] Voice 4: The other is colored by A and B.

[0:40:44] Voice 4: but not necessarily unless there are other other than a and b and if there's only three why not

[0:40:51] Voice 4: just have the three this thing so yeah that's one of my questions so what i'm what i was thinking

[0:40:57] Voice 4: about i had a motion is to change others to be similar with the same question

[0:41:09] Voice 5: okay

[0:41:10] Voice 4: so through

[0:41:11] Voice 4: the chair we did speak with the applicant about this concern because it must come up a number of

[0:41:17] Voice 4: times and i think we're we've agreed that um the ltc can sort of consider that the affordable

[0:41:23] Voice 4: housing funder is an agency or if it's an entity that's in the business of providing

[0:41:29] Voice 4: affordable housing grants or preferential rate loans to support the development of those

[0:41:38] Voice 4: affordable housing units so that's the first piece that should likely address the similarities that

[0:41:47] Voice 4: you're suggesting might be required to provide that clarity. So this could include government

[0:41:56] Voice 4: agencies and departments and not-for-profits to support those not-for-profits to undertake that.

[0:42:05] Voice 4: And so Ian Scott who's on the line has more experience in terms of the other

[0:42:13] Voice 4: other versus the similar characterization that you might be needing clarity on so I suggest that you

[0:42:20] Voice 4: might be able to speak to that piece because I'm not sure how credit unions uh and how there are

[0:42:27] Voice 4: banks or structure to support that but um I'm not seeing stuff and

[0:42:32] Trustee Langereis: just so we have clarity around

[0:42:34] Trustee Langereis: the question as I understand it's the word agency and what that means because we talked about this

[0:42:39] Trustee Langereis: way back actually that agency was would be intended to refer to sort of public agencies

[0:42:47] Trustee Langereis: as opposed to some funder you know mortgage company on the advertisers on the radio that

[0:42:55] Trustee Langereis: that's not really an agency per se um but that's the way i understood the word agency in that

[0:43:01] Trustee Langereis: context but perhaps uh mr scott do you wish to comment on the question and i don't i don't see

[0:43:07] Trustee Langereis: your camera on or there your mic's open now thank

[0:43:12] Voice 6: you welcome uh thank you for having me again um

[0:43:17] Voice 6: the um our understanding um is similar to the trustee langer eyes which is you know would

[0:43:23] Voice 6: have to be a similar organization um but i think in the context of our housing crisis

[0:43:28] Voice 6: and the the other types of organizations that may not be a government body

[0:43:33] Voice 6: It would be appropriate to allow it to be a little broader, you know, the big banks have talked about funding affordable housing.

[0:43:42] Voice 6: There are private foundations who are increasingly looking at funding affordable housing.

[0:43:46] Voice 6: And I think as we've described before, the reality is it does come down to finances.

[0:43:53] Voice 6: We're talking about a housing agreement with an affordable nonprofit housing organization that has a particular mission.

[0:44:02] Voice 6: and you know it requires really collaboration amongst a number of partners to pull this off

[0:44:09] Voice 6: the ground and I think there's you know a base level of affordability baked into the housing

[0:44:14] Voice 6: agreement and I think getting overly caught up in the in this definition will could be limiting

[0:44:21] Voice 6: in the future in terms of which organizations currently fund affordable housing the principal

[0:44:27] Voice 6: ones is RBC Housing and CMHC currently. There have, in other communities, we've had success

[0:44:35] Voice 6: with the Rural Dividend Fund. There's the Sustainable Housing Fund from the Green Municipal

[0:44:41] Voice 6: Fund. But again, given the broad scope of the challenge, I expect more groups and possible

[0:44:50] Voice 6: partners to emerge. And so we are looking for that slightly broader flexibility while still

[0:44:57] Voice 6: being clear that it does have to be an organization that's providing grants or preferential loans

[0:45:03] Voice 6: purposely for affordable housing um and uh you know i think that's appropriate

[0:45:12] Voice 4: so in effect and there's a potential then for the funding to be by agencies other than the

[0:45:19] Voice 4: government funded agency solely cover the whole development to be covered by that

[0:45:26] Voice 4: that's what i

[0:45:27] Voice 4: understand and so it's not necessarily cmt or pc housing

[0:45:31] Voice 4: no we

[0:45:35] Voice 6: have no prospects for that um currently um but but again as we've talked about there's

[0:45:40] Voice 6: intense competition amongst all communities for the government funding um and there's a strong

[0:45:46] Voice 6: hope and desire that we do our job properly we'll get community housing fund dollars on

[0:45:52] Voice 6: on the next go round, but there's no guarantee of that.

[0:45:55] Voice 6: And so we want the flexibility to pursue a variety

[0:46:00] Voice 6: of funding opportunities as they emerge.

[0:46:02] Voice 6: And it's impossible for us to predict today

[0:46:04] Voice 6: exactly what those are.

[0:46:07] Trustee Langereis: So just to, again, an example might be

[0:46:13] Trustee Langereis: some extremely wealthy individual endows a fund

[0:46:18] Trustee Langereis: with a hundred million dollars and says,

[0:46:21] Trustee Langereis: use that for affordable housing projects

[0:46:23] Trustee Langereis: and that fund is out there and you might want the flexibility to apply to that organization

[0:46:30] Trustee Langereis: or if a credit union, the Vancity, put up a bunch of money and said this is going to be available

[0:46:36] Trustee Langereis: at a very preferential rate for affordable housing projects, those kinds of things are possible.

[0:46:41] Trustee Langereis: Those would be in your definition or contemplation of agencies as long as that's their mission

[0:46:49] Trustee Langereis: is to fund affordable housing.

[0:46:51] Trustee Langereis: Correct.

[0:46:51] Trustee Langereis: Right.

[0:46:53] Voice 3: Can I just pass that question as well?

[0:46:55] Voice 3: Sure. So you talked about safeguards sort of baked into both the language of the housing

[0:47:02] Voice 3: but also the purpose and the mission of the non-profit housing society as safeguards for

[0:47:08] Voice 3: maintaining and protecting the affordable rates and the affordable units. So is that what you're

[0:47:12] Voice 3: saying is that the way that this is structured and a non-profit puts it forward within the

[0:47:16] Voice 3: parameters of what their mission and their statement is, those are some of the safeguards

[0:47:21] Voice 3: to make sure that what we're talking about is actually what happens yeah

[0:47:26] Voice 6: um um obviously

[0:47:29] Voice 6: depending on the funder only certain organizations are eligible to apply but i'm i was speaking a

[0:47:36] Voice 6: little bit more to the the sort of the pragmatic context that we have an organization that's

[0:47:41] Voice 6: community-based and that received the donation from a private entity of of land to pursue a

[0:47:48] Voice 6: particular community purpose. There's been a lot of public commitment and, you know, to a certain

[0:47:54] Voice 6: approach. And so this group is not going to align itself with a project that doesn't meet their

[0:48:01] Voice 6: goals to serve low and moderate income families, you know, on Gabriola and have been very public

[0:48:07] Voice 6: about, you know, the need to do their best to serve as many of those lower income families as

[0:48:12] Voice 6: possible because of how much how more challenging it is for that income group to find and secure

[0:48:18] Voice 6: you know secure and affordable housing so i think it's we have to look at the whole context of what

[0:48:24] Voice 6: we're talking about which is an extremely challenging situation to get these houses built

[0:48:28] Voice 6: um with um a certain level of understanding this is to be an you know an affordable housing project

[0:48:35] Voice 6: Our goal is to keep it, you know, more than, you know, 70% or more, you know, to that group who makes no more than the housing income limit.

[0:48:46] Voice 6: But we need some degree of flexibility to match our proposal to the funding agencies that come along with opportunities that we can actually get house built and start serving people.

[0:49:01] Trustee Langereis: Trustee Langer, do you wish to follow up on any questions?

[0:49:04] Trustee Langereis: Yeah, just

[0:49:05] Trustee Langereis: this for stop or for Mr. Scott.

[0:49:07] Voice 4: Well, I can go to through you to the end.

[0:49:11] Voice 4: I'm not in.

[0:49:13] Voice 4: It's fine.

[0:49:16] Voice 4: Yeah, I mean, you can have funding.

[0:49:19] Voice 4: I'm assuming you can have funding from CMHC, et cetera.

[0:49:22] Voice 4: And it doesn't preclude to getting funding from a private donor or agency as well.

[0:49:28] Voice 4: It's not a matter of that.

[0:49:30] Voice 4: That, I don't think that's precluded by,

[0:49:33] Voice 4: if it's limited to government agencies,

[0:49:34] Voice 4: because you're gonna go to multiple sources

[0:49:37] Voice 4: for support anyway.

[0:49:38] Voice 4: It's just a matter of what is your status

[0:49:41] Voice 4: within the agreement as a housing funder,

[0:49:46] Voice 4: because it brings with it certain

[0:49:47] Voice 4: for a certain decision to be made.

[0:49:50] Voice 4: If it's all privately funded,

[0:49:53] Voice 4: and this is where part of my focus is,

[0:49:56] Voice 4: what guarantee in this whole scheme is there

[0:49:59] Voice 4: for housing for the people with a lower income.

[0:50:04] Voice 4: That to me is like, is there gonna be subsidized housing

[0:50:08] Voice 4: within this framework?

[0:50:10] Voice 4: Because if it's all private,

[0:50:11] Voice 4: the subsidy won't be there to get that one subsidy.

[0:50:14] Voice 4: And you've got the person who's working at,

[0:50:17] Voice 4: and we've talked about the worker,

[0:50:18] Voice 4: the service workers who are paid 15 to $20 an hour.

[0:50:23] Voice 4: And what rent, what capacity will they have to rent?

[0:50:27] Voice 4: If the rents are higher

[0:50:29] Voice 4: and there's no subsidy, then from a financial perspective,

[0:50:36] Voice 4: you're going to want to rent to the maximum you can

[0:50:39] Voice 4: or as high as you possibly can within the framework

[0:50:43] Voice 4: of the economic environment on the island.

[0:50:46] Voice 4: So that's where I'm coming from.

[0:50:49] Voice 4: What guarantee is there that there will be some housing

[0:50:53] Voice 4: for those people in the service industry who can't find a place?

[0:50:57] Voice 4: not because we've talked about the HIL which goes up to 73,000 but the low and moderate income level

[0:51:06] Voice 4: is up to 120,000 dollars for a two-bedroom or larger unit so that's where I'm struggling with

[0:51:16] Voice 4: this okay

[0:51:17] Trustee Langereis: and you want to either does someone wish to address the question I don't know we

[0:51:22] Trustee Langereis: go through the plan or you go to you Mr. Scott do you understand the question

[0:51:30] Voice 6: I think I understand the question. I just wanted to make sure that there's no misconception.

[0:51:37] Voice 6: When we talk about subsidized rents, there's two ways to get there. One is through capital grants,

[0:51:45] Voice 6: so $1 million, $2 million, $3 million as part of construction, which means the mortgage costs are

[0:51:53] Voice 6: are lower. And so you can then deliver rents at a lower price. The other way is through

[0:51:59] Voice 6: subsidy that occurs on an annual basis. The BC Community Housing Fund has an annual subsidy,

[0:52:07] Voice 6: but it's the first program of that nature in decades. And I highly suspect once this next

[0:52:14] Voice 6: round of funding, future funding from BC Housing will not include annual subsidies. So when we

[0:52:21] Voice 6: talked about subsidized rent we talked about getting there in both ways through the capital

[0:52:26] Voice 6: grants or through operating subsidies um and um i mean we have articulated so many times the only

[0:52:36] Voice 6: way to build any affordable housing is with significant funding the more funding we can

[0:52:41] Voice 6: secure from the more sources the better we can serve the people you're talking about

[0:52:45] Voice 6: about. Setting unrealistic targets in a housing agreement is a surefire way to make it more

[0:52:54] Voice 6: difficult for us to achieve that goal. I think we're proposing a balanced approach, a target

[0:53:01] Voice 6: that's quite substantial, a way to notify the community if we're having to deviate from that

[0:53:06] Voice 6: target. But I think it's an approach that is more likely to lead to securing those grants

[0:53:14] Voice 6: and the funding necessary for the community but but again housing agreement the housing agreement

[0:53:24] Voice 6: cannot guarantee housing provided funding can yeah

[0:53:29] Voice 4: when i talk about subsidized i'm talking

[0:53:31] Voice 4: about the rental subsidy the deep subsidy that is easy housing which is where you get operating

[0:53:39] Voice 4: rents down to 30 percent despite the rent being higher and which will cause them to exceed them

[0:53:44] Trustee Langereis: and

[0:53:45] Voice 4: i i think the answer you

[0:53:46] Trustee Langereis: got from mr scott is is that there's no guarantee that funding will be

[0:53:49] Trustee Langereis: available there might be other forms of funding that they can probably get that they might be

[0:53:53] Trustee Langereis: able to put together that might provide affordable housing but not necessarily the type that you're

[0:53:59] Trustee Langereis: talking about um and so i guess that's the answer i think unless you have a follow-up question we

[0:54:06] Trustee Langereis: can have a discussion about that is there another you have other questions for that might be um

[0:54:13] Voice 4: and

[0:54:13] Trustee Langereis: you can keep going on that if you have another question about that

[0:54:19] Trustee Langereis: go ahead then i don't think this trustee colbert will interrupt if he has a question he said you

[0:54:23] Trustee Langereis: know originally he didn't have one so you have other questions yeah

[0:54:30] Voice 4: i just one of the questions

[0:54:31] Voice 4: i got i'm trying to understand how this operates is there potential for you have a development of

[0:54:38] Voice 4: multiple units and is there potential for funding from one funder for x number of units and another

[0:54:47] Voice 4: other funder for the Y number of units?

[0:54:52] Voice 4: Is because if it's an apartment building,

[0:54:54] Voice 4: it would all be together,

[0:54:56] Voice 4: but if it's individual units on a lot,

[0:54:59] Voice 4: say it was four units,

[0:55:00] Voice 4: could two units be funded by one funder

[0:55:04] Voice 4: and two units by another funder?

[0:55:06] Voice 4: It's a question I've thought about.

[0:55:10] Voice 6: I think that's unlikely given the structure of the programs

[0:55:17] Voice 6: and needing mortgageable interests.

[0:55:19] Voice 6: You know, so like a single mortgage and the way that those programs work, it is possible, you know, with some creative, you know, thinking, maybe that happens.

[0:55:32] Voice 6: But again, it's, you know, until we're faced with that ultimate decision, it's really hard to say.

[0:55:40] Voice 6: Typically, no, typically a project like this would be funded by multiple funders simultaneously, if we can get multiple funders.

[0:55:49] Voice 6: So our target is to get BC Community Housing Fund, CMHC Co-Investment, and the FCM Sustainable Housing Fund to layer their three levels of funding together to allow for those better levels of affordability.

[0:56:03] Trustee Langereis: I just want to, if I could ask a question then, in that scenario, this is a question I have actually, in that scenario where you do get that,

[0:56:11] Trustee Langereis: who's the affordable housing funder that is triggered by the agreement um as the one who

[0:56:17] Trustee Langereis: sets the standard for uh the number and i just will there always be a sort of a lead primary

[0:56:23] Trustee Langereis: funder in that circumstance where you layer a bunch that would be the one that would set

[0:56:27] Trustee Langereis: the standards well

[0:56:29] Voice 6: ultimately you need to meet the standards of all the funders to get their

[0:56:33] Voice 6: funding um so so you need to you know in if you're thinking about any one of their criteria

[0:56:40] Voice 6: criteria whether it's energy efficiency or affordability you need to meet the most stringent

[0:56:45] Voice 6: standard of each of those funders or they're not going to be at the table so

[0:56:49] Trustee Langereis: in other words they're

[0:56:50] Trustee Langereis: all effectively affordable housing funders and you have to meet all of their standards related to

[0:56:56] Trustee Langereis: eligibility for example that they're effectively all triggered by the housing agreement as being

[0:57:02] Trustee Langereis: things that you have to do

[0:57:03] Voice 6: correct often practically

[0:57:05] Voice 6: speaking one agency ends up being the lead agency

[0:57:08] Voice 6: So if you're meeting their criteria, the other agency understands that you're meeting theirs

[0:57:14] Voice 6: as well.

[0:57:16] Voice 6: So it does depend on this particular circumstance, but yeah, to get the funding, you need to

[0:57:21] Voice 6: meet their criteria.

[0:57:23] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[0:57:23] Trustee Langereis: Thank you.

[0:57:24] Voice 6: That was

[0:57:24] Trustee Langereis: just a question I had.

[0:57:25] Trustee Langereis: I could see how you could have, as I said, multiple layers of funding.

[0:57:31] Trustee Langereis: Anyway, go ahead, Trustee Langer, if you have a question.

[0:57:33] Voice 4: yeah the next question actually is regarding section c i that's the income section

[0:57:43] Voice 4: and if you've got that cia which talks about the easy housing income level income

[0:57:51] Voice 4: limit housing income limits and that's funny that's that's a based on the size of the unit

[0:57:57] Voice 4: going up to $73,000 for, I think, a four-bedroom or three-bedroom unit.

[0:58:04] Voice 4: And then you've got or, and now you've got,

[0:58:07] Voice 4: this is the one where I had the question last time about there's no income,

[0:58:12] Voice 4: potentially no definitive determination of income.

[0:58:16] Voice 4: It's about, it just says income or non-income or a combination of two.

[0:58:20] Voice 4: So you've added in low and moderate income levels

[0:58:24] as the maximum income level, which

[0:58:29] Voice 4: is $73,000 for one bedroom or less, or $120,000 for two

[0:58:36] Voice 4: bedrooms or more.

[0:58:37] Voice 4: So that's a fairly substantial difference between the housing income limits and the

[0:58:44] Voice 4: low and moderate income limits.

[0:58:47] Voice 4: And it says either or, so it's not a matter of one or both, it's a matter of one of the

[0:58:53] Voice 4: two.

[0:58:54] Voice 4: And if BC Housing is funding, it would obviously be the HIL, as we understand it, although

[0:59:02] Voice 4: it just references the rates, it doesn't necessarily reference the intent.

[0:59:08] Voice 4: But the other one references the low and moderate income model, which is much different from

[0:59:13] Voice 4: the 20,000.

[0:59:15] Voice 4: So why would a funder even consider HIL when the option is there for the low and moderate,

[0:59:22] Voice 4: which is a much higher income maximum level.

[0:59:25] Voice 4: I mean, it is linked somewhat, I assume, to local rent rates.

[0:59:31] Voice 6: Sure.

[0:59:35] Voice 6: Again, I'm struggling with the tenor of the question

[0:59:38] Voice 6: because, just a reminder, the housing agreement established

[0:59:42] Voice 6: the sort of outer limits of the working relationship

[0:59:45] Voice 6: and legal agreement between the trust and the housing agreement.

[0:59:49] Voice 6: BC's Housing Community Housing Fund really has three income categories

[0:59:53] Voice 6: categories and three sets of eligibility criteria, those who are meeting the deep

[0:59:57] Voice 6: subsidy criteria, which is to be.

[1:00:00] Voice 6: uh on social assistance or disability assistance or a guaranteed income supplement and they have

[1:00:05] Voice 6: on their website a published a deep subsidy income limit i think of 20 odd thousand um if you if

[1:00:11] Voice 6: you're going to go into the rgi units you need to meet uh the hills um uh rates and that's specified

[1:00:18] Voice 6: and you know both those things are specified then in the operating agreement with bc housing

[1:00:23] Voice 6: and then the third criteria is the low and moderate income limit that applies to the

[1:00:28] Voice 6: affordable market units so that's that's what this reference is about they have a variety of

[1:00:33] Voice 6: criteria if you only had funding from CMHC's current co-investment fund and with the federal

[1:00:39] Voice 6: government announcement of additional money for affordable housing I suspect they're going to

[1:00:43] Voice 6: tweak that program and have additional potential funding options for us but they're a certain

[1:00:50] Voice 6: number of the of the units have to meet a 80 percent of median income category and they use

[1:00:56] Voice 6: their market rental data and you have to be like 70 of a certain rent level so it's a different

[1:01:03] Voice 6: criteria than hills um and then and then the others are are the affordable market rents um so

[1:01:10] Voice 6: basically what this statement is doing is saying you know if as a baseline we're just trying to do

[1:01:15] Voice 6: it you know you know without a real affordable housing fund we're gonna we're gonna get fully

[1:01:19] Voice 6: to the housing income limit and really sets our sort of base target the or sort of allows us to

[1:01:26] Voice 6: insert ourselves to those multiple criteria that come out from the funders and what we're saying

[1:01:34] Voice 6: with the proposed amendment is at no point will any of the units be any higher than the lower

[1:01:40] Voice 6: moderate income limits set by bc housing see

[1:01:45] Voice 4: when i read b with the most addition i don't believe

[1:01:49] Voice 4: that that is being limited to the market rent units there's no reference to the market and

[1:01:54] Voice 4: units can be at all. All it says is that the relevant affordable housing unit can be non-market

[1:02:05] Voice 4: or market rent. It's just the only difference between them is the fact that the market rent

[1:02:11] Voice 4: is not limited by the 30% income, 30% of income rent level. So what I saw as A or B is applying

[1:02:20] Voice 4: applying to all units whether they're rent or market rent or non-market rent I don't see the

[1:02:28] Voice 4: limitation did you say that the low and moderate income levels intended for the market rent events

[1:02:35] Voice 4: but I don't see that limitation there and that's basically no

[1:02:40] Voice 6: oh you've misunderstood what I've

[1:02:44] Voice 6: said I think I understand your question uh councillor uh Langer eyes or trustee Langer

[1:02:49] Voice 6: rights and my apologies um the um b would apply to all the units at the project and you would

[1:02:59] Voice 6: have to meet the various criteria for the different levels uh that are required by that funder

[1:03:06] Voice 6: and that would include whatever you call the units but deep subsidy rent geared to income units

[1:03:12] Voice 6: and whatever criteria they may or may not have uh you know for an upper income limit on

[1:03:19] Voice 6: the affordable market units and what we're saying is no matter what basically we won't accept any

[1:03:27] Voice 6: funding from a funder if we have to have any units that are open to people making more than

[1:03:33] Voice 6: bc housing low and income moderate limit so it's giving that certainty that was asked for

[1:03:39] Voice 6: or discussed at the last meeting around it kind of an ultimate you know kind of upset point um

[1:03:44] Voice 6: but this clause b basically says the affordable housing funder defines a variety of different

[1:03:49] Voice 6: eligibility criteria and we'll impose that on our tenants um to be able to to meet the funding

[1:03:56] Voice 6: criteria i

[1:04:00] Voice 4: don't follow this at all but i'm just i just read cia right and it talks about hil

[1:04:09] Voice 4: limits which reflects what pc housing operates under and if pc housing funds it it would fall

[1:04:17] Voice 4: over there i don't have an issue with that again

[1:04:21] Voice 6: councillor councillor langer i i've tried to

[1:04:25] Voice 6: explain a few times the bc housing community housing fund only 50 of their units fall under

[1:04:30] Voice 6: that category 30 20 of the units fall under their deep subsidy limits and 30 of their limits 30 of

[1:04:38] Voice 6: the units fall under their low and moderate income limits so it's incorrect to say that all bc housing

[1:04:45] Voice 6: units follow their housing income limits it's one set

[1:04:48] Voice 6: it's one set of criteria that applies

[1:04:51] Voice 6: to some of the units that they fund not not all the units that they fund no

[1:04:56] Voice 4: i'm just talking about

[1:04:57] Voice 4: the way bc housing operates which is 30 50 and 20 percent and that falls under i can see that under

[1:05:05] Voice 4: their eye. But D, I still don't understand how B is limited to

[1:05:15] Voice 4: market grant units. It applies to all units. If it's not BC

[1:05:20] Voice 4: housing, what is limited there to have a funder, whatever the

[1:05:26] Voice 4: funder is saying, well, we're going to use the low and moderate

[1:05:31] Voice 4: income levels for all the units. I mean, that's, that's the way I

[1:05:36] Voice 4: read me as it's operating yeah

[1:05:38] Voice 6: and and and ultimately i think the um we can only have

[1:05:43] Voice 6: affordable market units if there are multiple units of the um the lower units um so uh in a

[1:05:50] Voice 6: worst case scenario which no one is going for um and and would be i think a failure um by myself

[1:05:58] Voice 6: and the housing society um would be if um you know a majority of them were affordable market units

[1:06:05] Voice 6: that's not the intent the intent is to allow some flexibility around that 30 percent um and be able

[1:06:12] Voice 6: to get to having some units of affordable housing uh serving those lower income uh criteria and

[1:06:19] Voice 6: and just there's just we need some flexibility uh for this to be practical the

[1:06:26] Voice 4: only angle is using

[1:06:27] Voice 4: the low and moderate income limits but in their ocp it's defined affordable housing at no more

[1:06:35] Voice 4: than 30 of the median income of the area so

[1:06:41] Voice 7: that's sort of the cap they got we don't have that that's

[1:06:48] Voice 7: why i asked all these questions around maybe

[1:06:55] Trustee Langereis: maybe i can help with some of the questions

[1:06:58] Trustee Langereis: affordable market rentals is there a cap on the income for affordable market rentals does this

[1:07:03] Trustee Langereis: this cap does this limit apply to them or is that different um

[1:07:10] Voice 6: no that the the amendment would apply

[1:07:14] Voice 6: apply to those previously without that amendment it would have been up to the funder entirely now

[1:07:22] Voice 6: there's that additional level of certainty that there's at least that cap that is consistent and

[1:07:27] Trustee Langereis: we know that the affordable market is at 30 unless we trigger you trigger the clause further down

[1:07:36] Trustee Langereis: which is an E related to related to coming back to us because the funder wants to have more than

[1:07:44] Trustee Langereis: than 30%. So correct, at least on the surface, the intention is

[1:07:48] Trustee Langereis: that the affordable market for humans would not be more than

[1:07:52] Trustee Langereis: 30%. So everybody else would be less than that it would be. And

[1:07:57] Trustee Langereis: still would be caught by the by the can exceed these amounts and

[1:08:04] Trustee Langereis: or be equal or to BC housing housing. So why don't you trust

[1:08:11] Trustee Langereis: Trustee Langer, if you can,

[1:08:13] Trustee Langereis: I don't know if you want to save this for our discussion

[1:08:16] Trustee Langereis: or if you can be succinct in what you're,

[1:08:19] Trustee Langereis: if you still have a question, what your question is,

[1:08:22] Trustee Langereis: or do you think you know the difference

[1:08:23] Trustee Langereis: between the answer to your question

[1:08:27] Trustee Langereis: and so that we could do that

[1:08:28] Trustee Langereis: as part of our discussion and debate?

[1:08:32] Trustee Langereis: Where do you

[1:08:32] Trustee Langereis: think you're at?

[1:08:33] Voice 4: Do

[1:08:33] Trustee Langereis: you have the information you need?

[1:08:36] Voice 4: I think so, yeah.

[1:08:37] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[1:08:39] Trustee Langereis: So do you have other questions

[1:08:41] Trustee Langereis: either for the planner or for the applicant?

[1:08:44] Voice 4: Actually, I think the low,

[1:08:48] Voice 4: the market and non-market rental,

[1:08:51] Voice 4: and Dave, I presume that that is not assigned

[1:08:55] Voice 4: to specific units, if you do it,

[1:08:57] Voice 4: that as units become dated,

[1:09:00] Voice 4: it may become market or non-market.

[1:09:03] Voice 4: Is that correct?

[1:09:07] Trustee Langereis: Correct.

[1:09:08] Voice 4: So it's not fixed

[1:09:10] Voice 7: units, it's flexible.

[1:09:11] Voice 7: So,

[1:09:14] Trustee Langereis: just so a unit could start out as an affordable housing unit and become a market unit

[1:09:21] Trustee Langereis: with a different applicant or if an applicant status changes correct

[1:09:26] Voice 4: and then you'd have to

[1:09:31] Voice 4: adjust elsewise to keep your your 30 percent

[1:09:35] Voice 6: in place okay correct and and of course we're

[1:09:39] Voice 6: talking about we're talking about people um and so um all the affordable housing funders recognize

[1:09:46] Voice 6: recognize a certain level of practicality in managing units and so if you have somebody you

[1:09:52] Voice 6: know who has you know their income has grown they're no longer eligible for the RGI units

[1:09:57] Voice 6: they want to stay there because it's a great place to live and they have friends and and it makes

[1:10:03] Voice 6: sense you know the funder may allow you to change them to a market unit and that means the next

[1:10:09] Voice 6: turnover you need to push somebody and you know you need a an RGI unit so depending on turnover

[1:10:14] Voice 6: over, it may be a year, it may be two years. But that's, that's

[1:10:18] Voice 6: a people centered approach rather than a, you know, a legal

[1:10:21] Voice 6: just, you know, being a slave to a legal agreement. And and that

[1:10:25] Voice 6: is, all those operating agreements have that kind of

[1:10:28] Voice 6: flexibility built, you know, built into them. For, for, for

[1:10:32] Voice 6: people and practical kind of reasons.

[1:10:35] Trustee Langereis: I see that Nancy has her hand up. Go ahead.

[1:10:39] Trustee Langereis: just

[1:10:40] Voice 4: to clarify a point about that term market unit um in the bc housing community fund model

[1:10:48] Voice 4: it's called the affordable market unit not just market unit because its rates are set at the

[1:10:54] Voice 4: average rent of the open market for the local geographical area not the highest rent so there

[1:11:07] Voice 4: is still a control in the BC housing model so I'm just just to be clear about that so in other words

[1:11:15] Voice 4: that's why it's still called affordable because it's there's still a control over it's not a

[1:11:21] Voice 4: completely open market rental level for those 30 percent of the units but that's if BC housing is

[1:11:29] Voice 4: a funder correct yes it's not

[1:11:31] Voice 4: a funder that it has doesn't have the same rating other than the 30

[1:11:37] Voice 4: well in the in the so the definition of the affordable market unit in the um

[1:11:45] Voice 4: housing agreement um says that it's linked to market conditions on gabriela or the or the rdn

[1:11:54] Voice 4: um meets the occupier that's different so just in other words um what is allowed in the housing

[1:12:02] Voice 4: agreement is um the broader term affordable housing units and within that as you've said

[1:12:09] Voice 4: this category called affordable market units which is defined as you see in the housing agreement

[1:12:20] Voice 4: and

[1:12:20] Voice 7: i was just

[1:12:20] Voice 4: explaining the

[1:12:21] Voice 5: bc housing's definition okay

[1:12:24] Voice 4: i get that it's just an affordable

[1:12:27] Voice 4: market you may define as rental prices linked to market conditions so yes but not that that's

[1:12:38] Voice 4: pretty general and that's the pc housing where they have a certain criteria and other others

[1:12:46] Voice 4: so it's it's it's somewhat fluid i would think in terms of if it's not a pc housing funder that's

[1:12:53] Voice 4: what i'm getting out there and this is the balance between uh uh some some some some

[1:13:03] Voice 4: proscription and some flexibility yeah see what's driving a lot of my questions is around

[1:13:13] Voice 4: the lower income family units and what's the extent of housing looking quiet

[1:13:19] Voice 4: it through the development and

[1:13:21] Voice 7: when

[1:13:23] Voice 4: i dc housing i sense that there'll be some 20 for sure and

[1:13:29] Voice 4: maybe more but if it's other funders there's there's just no certainty and if you're funded

[1:13:38] Voice 4: by private funders and finances are an issue you really want to you know if you can i have

[1:13:46] needs now to do using the high income hil

[1:13:52] Voice 4: approach a three bedroom unit annual income fifty seven

[1:13:57] Voice 4: thousand dollars uh sorry fifty seven thousand dollar um income they paid fourteen hundred

[1:14:04] Voice 4: dollars a month but if they have only forty thousand they're going to pay a thousand a month

[1:14:08] Voice 4: so it's a substantial difference in rent so if you've got financial issues you're going to want

[1:14:14] Voice 4: to rent to the higher level because it could potentially jeopardize you know if there's not

[1:14:20] Voice 4: operational funding going on i just that's just the general concern i have

[1:14:27] Voice 4: and i know there's no guarantee on that

[1:14:31] Voice 4: so can i respond then so i hear your general concern about how can we how how well can we

[1:14:41] Voice 4: um assure the community that this these housing these houses will be as best as possible available

[1:14:48] Voice 4: for people with low incomes that's your that's that's driving yeah i

[1:14:54] Voice 4: believe that's what you're

[1:14:56] Voice 4: representing but boards change things change exactly so i guess my response would be um

[1:15:04] Voice 4: this housing agreement is for this particular property and um when future properties come up

[1:15:11] Voice 4: in projects for other housing other affordable housing projects other housing agreements will

[1:15:18] Voice 4: be written for those other ones and it may be at that time that there are funders available

[1:15:26] Voice 4: for guaranteeing a much higher percentage of homes for people with very low incomes

[1:15:33] Voice 4: or different funding opportunities right now and in the foreseeable future near future

[1:15:40] Voice 4: future. The funders that we've mentioned are the only the only

[1:15:44] Voice 4: gains in town, the agencies as well as the private ones, but

[1:15:49] Voice 4: really, the BC housing one in particular, because it offers an

[1:15:53] Voice 4: operating subsidy. We're working with those funders in mind. And

[1:16:02] Voice 4: the focus of BC housing, specifically is people with low

[1:16:08] Voice 4: to moderate incomes and so by definition that's the range so i guess in answer to your question

[1:16:16] Voice 4: and again um i i agree completely with your interest um at the same time the april housing

[1:16:26] Voice 4: society's purpose is for people with low to moderate incomes so um that's that's what we're

[1:16:36] Voice 4: focused on for this particular housing agreement for this project and hoping that other future ones

[1:16:42] Voice 4: could perhaps have a different focus perhaps more on just variable people variable incomes

[1:16:48] Voice 4: i guess i get stuck to a degree on the water being up to 120 000 dollars

[1:16:53] Voice 4: you know

[1:16:57] Trustee Langereis: that is not an argument you need to have with problems

[1:16:59] Trustee Langereis: because the province is the one that sets these and that you hear that all the time in vancouver

[1:17:06] Trustee Langereis: you know they're asking they're building market rent calling them affordable market rentals and

[1:17:10] Trustee Langereis: they're going oh 2300 a month that's not affordable to a lot of people's success

[1:17:15] Trustee Langereis: because

[1:17:15] Voice 4: that those low to moderate income levels and understandings based on provincial data

[1:17:22] Voice 4: the housing income limits that are applied to those 50 percent of the rgi the rgi units

[1:17:31] Voice 4: those are based on, if I'm correct, Nanaimo area information.

[1:17:38] Voice 4: And so it depends, I'm always looking to see

[1:17:41] Voice 4: what's the region that those numbers are based on.

[1:17:44] Voice 4: So in my mind, it also seems to be a very high income,

[1:17:48] Voice 4: but it's BC wide.

[1:17:50] Voice 4: So it's so skewed to urban areas.

[1:17:55] Voice 4: And so I think that's perhaps something to keep in mind.

[1:17:57] Voice 4: Okay,

[1:17:58] Trustee Langereis: what I'd like to do is rather than necessarily, I'm not talking about talking to Trustee Langer,

[1:18:04] Trustee Langereis: having a debate necessarily with the advocate, but if you have questions, let's carry on.

[1:18:10] Trustee Langereis: Make sure we have all our questions happen and then we can have our discussion. Go ahead.

[1:18:16] Trustee Langereis: Um,

[1:18:17] Voice 7: let's see around.

[1:18:27] Voice 4: Well, I'll, I'll debate this section, but you don't

[1:18:33] Trustee Langereis: have a question

[1:18:34] Trustee Langereis: for either the planner or the applicant, but before we move on to the weekend.

[1:18:48] Voice 7: Well, I do have, no, it's, it's actually, I'll debate this. Okay. Okay.

[1:18:54] Trustee Langereis: Thanks. Um,

[1:18:56] Trustee Langereis: Um, I have some, I have sort of quibbles or questions about why we, we, some of the things

[1:19:06] Trustee Langereis: have changed, but, and maybe either the planner, and I know you have, and I know the answer

[1:19:12] Trustee Langereis: from the planner will be, well, it's been reviewed by the legal counsel and they're

[1:19:15] Trustee Langereis: comfortable with it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[1:19:18] Trustee Langereis: Um, maybe you could just say, tell me, um, and maybe it's Mr.

[1:19:22] Trustee Langereis: to scrotum or maybe it's the planner whether why it's important uh in e2 this is something we we

[1:19:29] Trustee Langereis: talked about in april as opposed to it's not a change today it's a it's a was a change that was

[1:19:35] Trustee Langereis: made in april uh originally the housing agreement said uh you needed the agreement of the ltc if you

[1:19:42] Trustee Langereis: wanted to have more than 30 percent of the affordable market now you simply need to come

[1:19:47] Trustee Langereis: and explain to us why you want to do that and and why you need to do that etc etc and then it will

[1:19:54] Trustee Langereis: happen i guess i need i guess i i i mean my assumption is this was change was made so that

[1:20:01] Trustee Langereis: a future world trust committee wouldn't have the ability to scuttle a deal if you were if you'd

[1:20:09] Trustee Langereis: gotten the funding in place and i'm being a bit colloquial in my expressions but is that sort of

[1:20:14] Trustee Langereis: the intent uh the plan is that permits first to you and then perhaps to uh mr strada or nancy um

[1:20:22] Voice 4: yes and um mr scott and nancy were involved more with the legal back and forth so ideally they can

[1:20:29] Voice 4: provide a little bit more historic um information for that but maybe

[1:20:35] Trustee Langereis: that was the one thing that

[1:20:36] Trustee Langereis: one of the things that caught my attention from when the changes came in the other ones were there

[1:20:42] Trustee Langereis: as well but that was one that caught my yeah mr scott and nancy also has her name up as well

[1:20:47] Trustee Langereis: i

[1:20:48] Voice 5: think

[1:20:51] Trustee Langereis: nancy

[1:21:02] Voice 6: and i are about to say the same thing the housing agreement never had

[1:21:05] Voice 6: uh in it um 30 percent um as a fixed number um the first draft of the housing agreement had

[1:21:13] Voice 6: didn't have that number it just allowed for flexibility with the affordable housing funder

[1:21:19] Voice 6: um based on comments from uh the trustees um and through discussion with planner dabina

[1:21:28] Voice 6: uh we have we arrived at at this wording um i know there was discussion back in march of

[1:21:35] Voice 6: of 2020, I guess it was, about whether the version

[1:21:41] Voice 6: that had been presented to you was appropriate.

[1:21:45] Voice 6: And we had provided some communication

[1:21:48] Voice 6: why we were asking for a version that put this in

[1:21:56] Voice 6: as a target, but did allow us to proceed,

[1:21:59] Voice 6: but only after informing the trust.

[1:22:01] Voice 6: um and um and so the um you know the the that that is really a negotiated element not a legal

[1:22:09] Voice 6: element um the lawyers helped work towards um this version that was supported by staff that

[1:22:16] Voice 6: would would be in that kind of notifying uh realm you know because maybe through the notification

[1:22:22] Voice 6: there's a a donor on on gabriola who steps up and says no no what can we do to keep it at 30 percent

[1:22:31] Voice 6: Maybe at the time there's a new affordable housing program under the

[1:22:35] Voice 6: Islands Trust purview and the Islands Trust is actually putting money into

[1:22:38] Voice 6: affordable housing.

[1:22:40] Voice 6: You know,

[1:22:41] Voice 6: that there could be a number of scenarios where that process would help us

[1:22:46] Voice 6: out. But no, we do want the flexibility.

[1:22:48] Voice 6: We want an affordable housing funder to see that if they select us and it's

[1:22:52] Voice 6: going to be 35% or 40%, that there is no risk that the, you know,

[1:22:58] Voice 6: that trust um will veto that uh ultimately but there's a you know some intent to be to work

[1:23:04] Voice 6: together yeah and

[1:23:06] Trustee Langereis: i and i flagged this and i appreciate i i totally acknowledge and accept

[1:23:10] Trustee Langereis: all of what you say that you were negotiating with planners and legal the folk the last draft we saw

[1:23:17] Trustee Langereis: before april had the phrase the trust committee approves in writing any such increase to the

[1:23:23] Trustee Langereis: percentage for for rent under this section so that's why it raises i appreciate there was a

[1:23:29] Trustee Langereis: whole process that we didn't know about uh or didn't i i shouldn't say we didn't know we

[1:23:34] Trustee Langereis: notionally knew it was occurring but weren't part of so and we still have to sign off on this so i

[1:23:41] Trustee Langereis: i i and anyway go ahead miss heather

[1:23:44] Voice 4: so which draft are you referring to march are you referring

[1:23:49] Voice 4: to march no

[1:23:50] Trustee Langereis: we didn't see it in march we thought january i believe was the

[1:23:53] Voice 4: last time 2021

[1:23:54] Trustee Langereis: well it

[1:23:55] Voice 4: was i think it was in march when it came to you um uh but then that was when the sfn had contacted

[1:24:04] Voice 4: us and so we stopped for the consideration that that draft um had proposed had proposed the the uh

[1:24:14] Voice 4: the lawyer at the time, in my memory,

[1:24:18] Voice 4: or the version you're speaking of.

[1:24:22] Voice 4: And then we, in a letter for that meeting,

[1:24:25] Voice 4: were proposing this broader one.

[1:24:28] Voice 4: And at that meeting, the trustees decided

[1:24:32] Voice 4: to leave this particular clause

[1:24:35] Voice 4: for further consideration.

[1:24:39] Voice 4: Some of the other proposals on March 4th,

[1:24:42] Voice 4: you did approve like type 3 septic and a few things but this one neither one in my memory was

[1:24:50] Voice 4: approved by the trustees and then over time till this past April um there was consideration as

[1:25:00] Voice 4: understand it by lawyers as well as by us as to which one we felt was more appropriate and so in

[1:25:08] Voice 4: april this version was brought to you and is that are

[1:25:13] Trustee Langereis: you yeah no that's that's fair we got

[1:25:15] Trustee Langereis: you saw it in march but that was the version the last version we saw is the one that was attachment

[1:25:20] Trustee Langereis: one to last month's right agenda which had the language i just quoted so that but that was from

[1:25:29] Trustee Langereis: march of 2021. right and

[1:25:31] Trustee Langereis: i didn't say we all agreed to it i knew there

[1:25:33] Trustee Langereis: was still work going on

[1:25:34] Trustee Langereis: but that was a proposal or a language that sort of indicated,

[1:25:43] Trustee Langereis: if you wanna have more than 30%,

[1:25:45] Trustee Langereis: you'll come back and we'll say, yay or nay.

[1:25:47] Trustee Langereis: Now it says, if you need to have more than 30%,

[1:25:51] Trustee Langereis: you'll come back, you'll explain to us why,

[1:25:53] Trustee Langereis: you'll tell us what options you considered

[1:25:55] Trustee Langereis: in terms of other funding.

[1:25:57] Trustee Langereis: But if you need 35 or 40%, once you've done all of that,

[1:26:01] Trustee Langereis: that's what the new map the limit is and and you know that's a different it's a different concept

[1:26:07] Trustee Langereis: um that's all i just wanted you to have the opportunity to explain to us why that would

[1:26:12] Trustee Langereis: be necessary i accept what you say that if someone came back i think it was mr scott and said

[1:26:17] Trustee Langereis: if someone came and said i need 35 and here's where their funding comes from and if you don't

[1:26:23] Trustee Langereis: get 35 market units then i'm not going to fund that the next trustees which will be none of the

[1:26:30] Trustee Langereis: three of us apparently um uh would not have the ability to say no you can't do that and that

[1:26:37] Trustee Langereis: that's just a reality for us to be clear on them that's what the market the housing figure said

[1:26:45] Trustee Langereis: okay uh more you have any questions uh before we go into our own discussion or does anybody

[1:26:51] Trustee Langereis: else wish to comment on that no uh trustee mindress anything further i

[1:26:56] Voice 4: just wanted to

[1:26:57] Voice 4: big one comment that i noted in section eight which talks about under e-con which talks about

[1:27:06] Voice 4: whose income does not exceed the housing income yet and see we now have housing income limits or

[1:27:14] Voice 4: low and moderate income

[1:27:16] Voice 7: limits

[1:27:17] Voice 4: which are different so you're saying that the hil will always apply

[1:27:23] Voice 4: apply to those market units.

[1:27:30] Voice 4: Maybe for them

[1:27:31] Voice 4: or that they have non market.

[1:27:33] Voice 4: The ones that we chart only show 30%

[1:27:37] Voice 4: can only exceed the confusion.

[1:27:42] Voice 4: It's getting the terminology is too similar sometimes.

[1:27:47] Voice 4: But anyway, EI and the reference to HIL,

[1:27:51] Voice 4: and yet we have the potential for the higher income levels.

[1:27:56] Voice 4: and that's applicable to the market and the non-market understanding so i'm not sure how

[1:28:04] Voice 4: that works and maybe can you respond to that sorry

[1:28:10] Voice 6: sorry i i wasn't told i had trouble hearing you a

[1:28:14] Voice 6: little bit which section are you looking at well

[1:28:17] Trustee Langereis: he i i think he says but what i had the way i read

[1:28:21] Trustee Langereis: that is you can't rent any market units unless you have how you have uh affordable housing units

[1:28:27] Trustee Langereis: It's occupied by housing, which cannot exceed housing income limits.

[1:28:32] Trustee Langereis: So you've got to remember there was a concern at the very beginning that there's some language the lawyer flagged for us,

[1:28:37] Trustee Langereis: that there was some language which could theoretically have led to there being no affordable housing units that could have been all market.

[1:28:45] Trustee Langereis: So this clause was put in in order to ensure that you can't rent any market units unless there's people in there that have affordable housing units.

[1:28:55] Trustee Langereis: Correct.

[1:28:56] Voice 4: other than the fact that it just references the housing income limits the income level not

[1:29:01] Voice 4: any other criteria you could potentially have somebody with a housing income limit

[1:29:09] Voice 4: income level renting a market unit just being more than 30

[1:29:16] Voice 7: percent i don't think that could

[1:29:18] Voice 7: and

[1:29:19] Trustee Langereis: there are other affordable housing units as opposed to affordable market units

[1:29:26] Trustee Langereis: that's occupied by households whose income does not exceed the housing income.

[1:29:32] Trustee Langereis: So what's your concern?

[1:29:33] Trustee Langereis: Well, the

[1:29:34] Voice 4: affordable housing units is broader than just non-market units.

[1:29:41] Voice 4: Affordable housing includes a market unit is a subset of affordable housing.

[1:29:48] Voice 4: So the reference to affordable housing is captured as a broad term.

[1:29:53] Voice 4: but it doesn't include electric units necessarily.

[1:29:58] Voice 4: At the beginning of the set.

[1:30:00] Voice 4: Yeah, it's saying that you can't rent a market unit if the funder has to agree to it.

[1:30:10] Trustee Langereis: So I guess the question is, and I don't know who you would ask this question to, is, I mean, I think I understand the intent of that section,

[1:30:19] Trustee Langereis: which is to say you can't have any market units unless there are people,

[1:30:25] Trustee Langereis: you've got affordable housing units occupied by people who do not exceed the housing income limits

[1:30:32] Trustee Langereis: but i think what the question is is does that leave open the possibility that you have someone

[1:30:38] Trustee Langereis: who doesn't see the hil but you're charging them a higher rate is that what you're suggesting might

[1:30:44] Trustee Langereis: happen that's assuming that the funder allows that to happen which i can't imagine i think

[1:30:52] Voice 4: that the reference to other affordable housing units to be occupied by households who are

[1:31:02] Voice 4: not exceeding that 30 percent rule which

[1:31:06] Trustee Langereis: 30 percent rule is that well

[1:31:07] Voice 4: which is the affordable housing of the market market

[1:31:12] Voice 4: is there somewhere

[1:31:18] Trustee Langereis: in this agreement that actually talks about the 30 percent rule

[1:31:26] Voice 6: sorry

[1:31:26] Voice 4: yeah and

[1:31:28] Voice 6: and and di when read in combination with uh ei um

[1:31:37] Voice 6: you know would mean that the people living in those affordable housing units um are occupied

[1:31:42] Voice 6: by households who don't make more than the hills and they're not paying more than 30 percent of

[1:31:46] Voice 6: their income on uh on their rent okay

[1:31:53] Trustee Langereis: so so i think what uh trustee langer says is he likes

[1:31:57] Trustee Langereis: to see language that says something like whose household income does not exceed the household

[1:32:02] Trustee Langereis: income limits and they qualify under di and i think that's the intent isn't it it is the

[1:32:12] Voice 6: it

[1:32:13] Trustee Langereis: is the intent uh so that

[1:32:15] Trustee Langereis: would probably be if we made that small amendment that that would be

[1:32:19] Trustee Langereis: it's applicable to everybody here is that i mean i'm not saying i'm not prejudging what your

[1:32:24] Trustee Langereis: overall view is uh trustee langaris but but that would probably solve that issue the di still

[1:32:32] Trustee Langereis: applies

[1:32:32] Voice 3: yeah right so i'm not sure if it's right above it and it applies to it i'm not sure you

[1:32:41] Voice 3: need to state it again within a subsequent section okay

[1:32:45] Voice 7: okay

[1:32:47] Trustee Langereis: uh let's uh again i'd like to focus on

[1:32:49] Trustee Langereis: questions get all the information you need and then i'd like to go to motions discussion debate

[1:32:55] Trustee Langereis: etc so that we can move forward with the stock report any other questions from either of the

[1:33:00] Trustee Langereis: trustees nothing from trustee londres nothing from you trustee cohen okay thank you for very much for

[1:33:08] Trustee Langereis: all of the import do you have anything further you'd like to say before we go into our discussion

[1:33:13] Trustee Langereis: uh and the stock report thank you anything further from you uh players over okay so we have a staff

[1:33:19] Trustee Langereis: report we have a series of recommendations um i guess uh how do you guys want to go for all uh

[1:33:26] Trustee Langereis: i'll

[1:33:27] Voice 3: move that the gabriel island local trust committee by law number 308 cited this capable

[1:33:31] Voice 3: island housing agreement by law number 308 2020 be amended by a adding a falling text at the end

[1:33:38] Voice 3: of section c affordable rental housing eligibility subjection i b and in no circumstance shall the

[1:33:44] Voice 3: households annual household income exceed the low and moderate income limits and b adding the

[1:33:49] Voice 3: following after the definition of lands in article 1a low and moderate income limits

[1:33:54] Voice 3: means the low and moderate income as published by bcl from time to time okay

[1:33:59] Trustee Langereis: is that all i get

[1:34:01] Trustee Langereis: packaging okay i went back to april

[1:34:07] Trustee Langereis: sorry i'm reading a lot of it going those aren't promotions anyway okay and so is there a second

[1:34:15] Trustee Langereis: for that one okay so let's have a discussion we haven't heard a lot from you before yeah um

[1:34:24] Voice 3: it was interesting to read to the guy i don't think and i went and looked at galley on the

[1:34:27] Voice 3: ocp as well which is badly in need of changing and updating as many of these things are

[1:34:32] Voice 3: are vastly out of date in terms of how you can travel

[1:34:35] Voice 3: for affordable, especially around affordable housing.

[1:34:40] Voice 3: I was relieved to see the staff, not relieved,

[1:34:43] Voice 3: but I think it shows that this process

[1:34:46] and the level

[1:34:49] Voice 3: of care that's gone into this,

[1:34:54] Voice 3: that the Gabriola application in front of us,

[1:34:59] Voice 3: this agreement um will lead to lower rents and costs for for um people who need this housing

[1:35:09] Voice 3: than the galliano one that has been discussed so i think that's confirmation of what i sort

[1:35:14] Voice 3: of believe is that this is this is a good way to go about this i think it's important in these

[1:35:19] Voice 3: discussions uh and i applaud trustee long rise for the care and attention in terms of of ensuring

[1:35:25] Voice 3: ensuring that low income and those who are critically housed or unhoused get a good share

[1:35:34] Voice 3: of these homes. I think it's important to understand that right now, the status quo,

[1:35:38] Voice 3: you've got this sort of ladder of housing, and there's a lot of people in insecure, unsafe,

[1:35:44] Voice 3: inappropriate, unaffordable housing. And so if we're adding units to the market and there has

[1:35:48] Voice 3: to be flexibility in the way that happens, I agree. I keep saying if there were a way to fund

[1:35:53] Voice 3: this the way that people keep putting ideas to fund it it would be a better world with better

[1:35:58] Voice 3: problems and it would actually function these are the these are the parameters which we're trying to

[1:36:02] Voice 3: operate in and so what happens is if we add units to the market that are low moderate that we get

[1:36:07] Voice 3: some of those unhoused critically housed people then some of those units that are appropriate

[1:36:11] Voice 3: and safe then you start to move people through and there's more housing less pressure less stress

[1:36:16] Voice 3: that the data shows that there is a housing crisis here

[1:36:20] Voice 3: and we can't solve it on our own.

[1:36:23] Voice 3: That has to be, as the mandate of the trust says,

[1:36:26] Voice 3: we must work together with others.

[1:36:28] Voice 3: That is what this allows for

[1:36:29] Voice 3: and I appreciate the flexibility

[1:36:31] Voice 3: and the guarantee that comes in the motion

[1:36:36] Voice 3: I put forward here that defines low and moderate income

[1:36:39] Voice 3: means the, especially these times when time is time.

[1:36:42] Voice 3: So that, again, we're sort of doing safeguards

[1:36:44] Voice 3: on top of safeguards.

[1:36:45] Voice 3: So I support these changes, and I'll be putting it forward for second reading if these are approved.

[1:36:55] Voice 7: Okay, Trustee Langer.

[1:36:57] Voice 7: Yeah, I'm not certain that this section actually works the way it's intended.

[1:37:04] I still have some concerns about it, and so I would change

[1:37:09] Voice 4: it at this point in time.

[1:37:13] Voice 4: And when you say

[1:37:15] Trustee Langereis: this section, which section?

[1:37:16] Voice 4: you're talking about adding the low and moderate income limits before either or i don't quite

[1:37:27] Voice 4: follow what's happening here i don't it's not been clearly explained to me as to how it actually

[1:37:32] Voice 4: offers the potential you're going to have the potential to have funding because it'd be as

[1:37:40] Voice 4: intent to be the market but they don't believe that that's doing that let's

[1:37:51] Trustee Langereis: be clear when you

[1:37:52] Trustee Langereis: say b of what are you in the are you in the are you in the body of the document

[1:38:01] Trustee Langereis: are you in the amendment or are you in the let's take our time i don't want to we're not rushed

[1:38:07] Trustee Langereis: here um

[1:38:07] Voice 4: id like cid which is where they're not able right and so i'm not prepared to pass this

[1:38:21] Voice 4: word because i'm not sure enough i find it quite confusing and i like to understand it better well

[1:38:27] Trustee Langereis: i thought that that was the reason for all the time to ask the questions i mean i think what's

[1:38:34] Trustee Langereis: That's clear is what the intent is.

[1:38:37] Trustee Langereis: Yeah,

[1:38:38] Voice 4: the intent is one way of choosing.

[1:38:42] Trustee Langereis: So what would you prefer to do?

[1:38:45] Voice 4: I'd prefer more time to think about this.

[1:38:48] Voice 4: I looked at it over the past week, Friday.

[1:38:53] Voice 4: Well,

[1:38:54] Trustee Langereis: the only thing that's changed since April is the adding of the language that's in the red.

[1:39:00] Voice 4: Yeah, that's what they're adding in here.

[1:39:02] Voice 4: Right.

[1:39:03] Trustee Langereis: right and i as i understand that uh and and just because we finish planners integration to

[1:39:12] Trustee Langereis: conclude that the intent of that is is to put some limits on uh the rent that can be charged

[1:39:20] Trustee Langereis: underneath sections as a i'll i'll use trustee colburn's language and and then you can advise

[1:39:29] Trustee Langereis: this without as a safeguard on a safeguard is that the way that's understood by the staff correct

[1:39:35] Voice 4: and this is a direct result to your discussions in april that this is being proposed to address

[1:39:41] Voice 4: the concerns that were raised in april so without that text these amendments is is it clearer is

[1:39:51] Voice 4: that um

[1:39:52] Voice 5: which

[1:39:53] Voice 4: you'll see longer ice is suggesting is these amendments particularly or the section

[1:39:59] Voice 4: Well, it's also in my reading that all these things are either-or.

[1:40:08] Voice 4: Okay, so not just these events.

[1:40:10] Voice 1: No, that's what's drawing

[1:40:11] Voice 4: me more into it, because it's either A or D.

[1:40:15] Voice 4: Which means it's either-all, H-I-L, or it's either-all-D, which is a low-and-moderate community.

[1:40:22] Voice 4: You don't have a, it's neither-or.

[1:40:26] Voice 4: and it's not tied to the market or the non-market perspective

[1:40:31] Voice 7: say that last sentence again

[1:40:41] Trustee Langereis: say that last thing you just said again and and i'll be honest i

[1:40:45] Trustee Langereis: want to understand what

[1:40:46] Trustee Langereis: you're talking about because once again with this project i put in a position of having to

[1:40:51] Trustee Langereis: decide uh and last month i shared some of your concerns about making sure we were doing the

[1:40:57] Trustee Langereis: right thing etc etc and that and so i voted to defer etc back in january february march you know

[1:41:05] Trustee Langereis: you were the decision i voted with trustee poland to advance the 306 to 307 so i want to be sure i

[1:41:12] Trustee Langereis: understand because i'm in that position and i want to be i want to be absolutely clear i understand

[1:41:17] Trustee Langereis: your concerns here's the way i see this is and i've voiced some of this i'd love to have a housing

[1:41:26] Trustee Langereis: agreement that locked down what we were going to get that's what i'd like to have and indeed when

[1:41:33] Trustee Langereis: i think when we started this process i sort of anticipated that that's what we would get

[1:41:38] Trustee Langereis: we would get a housing agreement that would lock down what the delivery is the reality is nobody

[1:41:44] Trustee Langereis: knows what the delivery is going to look like um uh and i i think i've learned that from my

[1:41:50] Trustee Langereis: discussions with bc housing with consultants not just mr scott but the consultants that i've been

[1:41:55] Trustee Langereis: dealing with them and the applicants and the staff which is that is that the reality is

[1:42:01] Trustee Langereis: nobody knows how the funding is going to come about i'm sure it was entirely disappointing

[1:42:06] Trustee Langereis: for the gabriel houses side to not be successful applicant in 2020 2020 2021 2021

[1:42:13] Trustee Langereis: yeah okay

[1:42:14] Trustee Langereis: um and and i'm guessing without knowing because i'm not on your board or could i be or would i be

[1:42:23] Trustee Langereis: um is is you had to sort of rethink what you were doing because you thought you had a great

[1:42:29] Trustee Langereis: proposal and you probably did but i don't but the housing the funding is very precarious and

[1:42:36] Trustee Langereis: difficult to achieve i i do know this much is that from the housing advocates i know they say

[1:42:43] Trustee Langereis: people have to look beyond bc housing they have to look beyond that anyway my point is is not that

[1:42:49] Trustee Langereis: that your questions aren't great,

[1:42:51] Trustee Langereis: and they are good, Trustee Lange-Greis.

[1:42:53] Trustee Langereis: As I understand it, this,

[1:42:58] Trustee Langereis: well, I would love to have it locked down

[1:43:00] Trustee Langereis: because we took certain protections or provisions

[1:43:04] Trustee Langereis: out of the OCP to make this happen

[1:43:07] Trustee Langereis: and put the emphasis on the housing agreement.

[1:43:12] Trustee Langereis: And I remember doing that and struggling with it,

[1:43:15] Trustee Langereis: and I know you didn't agree with that.

[1:43:17] Trustee Langereis: um is is and so we'd love to have this locked down what what we're hearing from the applicants

[1:43:23] Trustee Langereis: is if you lock us down too tightly we won't be able to get our our housing and so like with

[1:43:30] Trustee Langereis: water and where other things are governed by provincial entities some of what's in that in

[1:43:38] Trustee Langereis: the in the in the guarantee of the of the of the of the housing funding is going to come from the

[1:43:45] Trustee Langereis: housing funder not from us we're not going to be able to accept that and the question always is

[1:43:50] Trustee Langereis: when these things is without that absolute guarantee are we prepared to do the rezoning

[1:43:56] Trustee Langereis: that we've already we haven't adopted it but we i don't think we've adopted it the 306 and 307

[1:44:02] Trustee Langereis: are still out there for adoption because we wanted to have the housing agreement first is whether or

[1:44:07] Trustee Langereis: not this kind of this housing agreement is sufficient to allow for the compromises that

[1:44:14] Trustee Langereis: that 306 and 307 provide for the rezoning of the property.

[1:44:19] Trustee Langereis: That's the way I see it.

[1:44:20] Trustee Langereis: And I am coming around more and more to the point of view

[1:44:25] Trustee Langereis: that it's going to be really hard for us

[1:44:28] Trustee Langereis: to get specific guarantees

[1:44:31] Trustee Langereis: about what the project's going to look like

[1:44:35] Trustee Langereis: because that's all going to turn

[1:44:38] Trustee Langereis: on what the funding's going to look like.

[1:44:39] Trustee Langereis: So, and I wish the cart was before the horse, but the horse, we have to go first. We have to go first, because you won't get your funding if we don't have, if we don't go first. And I've learned that. And we go first with a bit of uncertainty in all circumstances.

[1:44:59] Trustee Langereis: circumstances we decide whether we're prepared to accept the compromise on the on the zoning but

[1:45:05] Trustee Langereis: they can't get their their funding unless they have the zoning and they won't get their funding

[1:45:09] Trustee Langereis: unless they have their housing agreement um in place etc etc and that's problematic and um

[1:45:17] Trustee Langereis: anyway i'm i'm sort of i'm sort of giving a little bit of a preview of what i'm thinking

[1:45:24] Trustee Langereis: on all of this, but I want to make sure I understand your concerns, and

[1:45:29] Voice 3: I'll just, I'll say that specifically to the either or, they both safeguard the same thing, right, in no circumstance, what's added, if it's B, in no circumstance, so that

[1:45:44] Voice 3: family income exceed the low and moderate income limits there's both there's safeguards in there

[1:45:50] Voice 3: either either or i'm happy with the safeguards that both of those statements provide

[1:45:55] Voice 3: does that make sense well that makes sense for you i'm not sure but i'm trying to be lying

[1:45:59] Voice 3: and

[1:46:01] Voice 4: yet their ocp defines affordable housing as no more than 30 percent of median income

[1:46:18] Voice 4: So they've got a fixed amount. It fluctuates based on what the median income is in the local area.

[1:46:23] Voice 4: So they do have a sort of a cap on it. We don't have that cap.

[1:46:28] Voice 4: Yeah, we shouldn't. And

[1:46:29] Voice 3: most municipalities are moving away.

[1:46:32] Voice 3: But they're going to go for funding.

[1:46:34] Voice 4: Are they sewered then in essence?

[1:46:37] Trustee Langereis: It's taken a

[1:46:38] Trustee Langereis: different road. Am I happy about that? Probably not.

[1:46:42] Trustee Langereis: not. But it's taken a different road. That has been an extremely difficult negotiation.

[1:46:52] Trustee Langereis: And they aren't there yet, in terms of what the language will say. For example, we there's

[1:47:00] Trustee Langereis: still an outstanding issue, they want an escalator clause, because because as median incomes

[1:47:06] Trustee Langereis: comes go up. They want to have an escalator clause to cover the costs. And originally,

[1:47:13] Trustee Langereis: they came in with something very similar to what gave you a lot of housing, which is the

[1:47:17] Trustee Langereis: 2030-50 rule. And that's what they proposed. And now they've shifted over to this housing

[1:47:23] Trustee Langereis: income where there's a median income as a different model to what this is. But I think

[1:47:30] Trustee Langereis: they get it to similar places. In fact, I saw your comment, Sandra, that you thought

[1:47:35] Trustee Langereis: thought that model might lead to a higher rentals version you thought it could that's

[1:47:40] Voice 4: the Ian Scott's

[1:47:42] Voice 4: analysis that helps provide that commentary correct

[1:47:48] Voice 3: interesting now and I've been looking

[1:47:51] Voice 3: at the and looking at the galiano piece I have concerns about because if you look at the data

[1:47:56] Voice 3: for gabriola and the number of critically housed people those are who don't have homes and then

[1:48:01] Voice 3: you look at media there's a huge this weird thing that happens when you've got high incomes and

[1:48:06] Voice 3: You've got a high proportion of people who are vulnerably housed or unhoused.

[1:48:09] Voice 3: So sometimes these medium pieces, they don't tell the picture of the actual status on the ground.

[1:48:14] Voice 3: We did an emergency housing thing with the PHC and the social worker early on in this term.

[1:48:18] Voice 3: We came up with 60 individuals, not even dependents and family members.

[1:48:21] Voice 3: So that's a high proportion for a community this size.

[1:48:24] Voice 3: And then yet you've got people making enough money.

[1:48:26] Voice 3: It doesn't work for the ground.

[1:48:28] Voice 3: It doesn't work for the data we have to provide the decision.

[1:48:30] Voice 3: here so that's why i think galliano if they if any trust committee has the capacity to

[1:48:37] Voice 3: update and change the way that they're dealing with these things in the context of affordable

[1:48:41] Voice 3: housing funding now and the need i don't think they'd have that in their in their security

[1:48:47] Voice 3: and it's not here because this is site specific for

[1:48:50] Voice 4: this project for this and that's why i think

[1:48:51] Voice 4: this works further thoughts trustee language um no i think i've said and

[1:49:00] Trustee Langereis: so what what i hear you

[1:49:02] Trustee Langereis: you say is is that you're not comfortable that this gives you enough and to be fair you 18 15

[1:49:10] Trustee Langereis: months ago you voted against the original bylaws mostly because we took out of the ocp the 30 percent

[1:49:17] Trustee Langereis: number i mean i think that was your your your ration you know i mean you may have had some

[1:49:22] Trustee Langereis: other concerns but that was your basic thought and and so that's fair um and so it's consistent

[1:49:28] Trustee Langereis: for you to say because this is not guaranteed so I'm going to just say for all the reasons I just

[1:49:34] Trustee Langereis: finished saying about how my thought process and all of this and and to know that these things

[1:49:41] Trustee Langereis: need to get going um uh and I I think back to all the work that was done to get the OCP amended

[1:49:50] Trustee Langereis: that we've got all the environmental protections I know that they didn't necessarily satisfy

[1:49:55] Trustee Langereis: by everybody that's in that neighborhood uh but there are a substantial amount of environmental

[1:50:01] Trustee Langereis: protections both in the ocp and land use bylaw we have a housing agreement that will hope will will

[1:50:09] Trustee Langereis: will provide more flexibility but some guarantees and you're right um i trust the migrants would i

[1:50:15] Trustee Langereis: like to have a uh well i had someone explain to me and i forget who it was now maybe it was

[1:50:22] Trustee Langereis: someone here today that i'm losing track of time but that you don't want to have

[1:50:28] Trustee Langereis: um uh develop some a lot of people don't want to have housing developments that are just

[1:50:33] Trustee Langereis: subsidized housing because they create communities that are not um mixed it's better to have

[1:50:41] Trustee Langereis: communities that have a variety of people that are living in them i think that's a lot that's

[1:50:45] Trustee Langereis: a large part of the vision of the province and a lot of housing societies to have mixed units

[1:50:51] Trustee Langereis: I'm pretty comfortable that at the end of the day you're going you may have a number of market rentals here, and there may be some people centric, you know, where the where the numbers get a little out of whack from time to time.

[1:51:03] Trustee Langereis: But the main focus of this is going to be units that will service the number of people who are currently not serviced, whether that will be the folk you're talking about.

[1:51:12] Trustee Langereis: about Trustee Langerheist, I guess, is yet to be seen.

[1:51:15] Trustee Langereis: And there may have to be other efforts made

[1:51:17] Trustee Langereis: as it will have to be other efforts made in any case,

[1:51:21] Trustee Langereis: because this is not going to solve housing concerns

[1:51:24] Trustee Langereis: on Gallup-Gabriola.

[1:51:26] Trustee Langereis: I mean, this is just one very small piece

[1:51:29] Trustee Langereis: that may not serve a number of the people

[1:51:31] Trustee Langereis: that you wish it did serve,

[1:51:33] Trustee Langereis: but it will serve other people in the community.

[1:51:35] Trustee Langereis: And as someone explained to me once,

[1:51:37] Trustee Langereis: if you open up some housing because someone moves out,

[1:51:39] Trustee Langereis: that creates space for other people to move into it um i just said that did you say that

[1:51:47] Voice 7: okay

[1:51:47] Trustee Langereis: well i appreciate it sorry about it anyway i'm going to vote in favor of this

[1:51:51] Trustee Langereis: so um so it is a long way coming around so there's a motion on the table it's been it's been moved

[1:51:59] Trustee Langereis: in second does anybody else wish to speak to it no okay i'll call the vote all in favor so two

[1:52:05] Trustee Langereis: Two votes in favor and trustee Laibereth,

[1:52:07] Voice 3: do you wish

[1:52:08] Trustee Langereis: to, are

[1:52:09] Voice 3: you gonna vote against?

[1:52:10] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so we'll record your vote.

[1:52:13] Voice 3: So I'll move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[1:52:17] Voice 3: bylaw number 308 cited as Gabriel Island Housing Agreement

[1:52:20] Voice 3: bylaw number 308, 2020 be read a second time as amended.

[1:52:25] Voice 3: I'll second that.

[1:52:28] Trustee Langereis: Any further discussion?

[1:52:29] Trustee Langereis: Do you wish to say any further, trustee Laibereth?

[1:52:32] Trustee Langereis: Yeah,

[1:52:32] Voice 4: I had intended to put forward a motion to amend the affordable housing fund to be to change the word other to similar.

[1:52:48] Voice 4: I mentioned that earlier.

[1:52:52] Voice 4: Well,

[1:52:53] Trustee Langereis: I don't know if I missed that you wanted. I know you mentioned the issue.

[1:52:57] Trustee Langereis: I didn't know if you want that you wanted to make a motion.

[1:53:01] Trustee Langereis: So would you mind, Trustee Coburn, if we stand down your motion, and we'll see what this

[1:53:08] Trustee Langereis: motion that Trustee Lundgren wants to make.

[1:53:12] Trustee Langereis: Yeah,

[1:53:12] Voice 4: I can read it out.

[1:53:14] Voice 4: That the Gabriel Island Local Trust Community By-law No. 308, cited as Gabriel Island Housing

[1:53:20] Voice 4: Agreement No. 308, 2020, be amended by removing the word coven as a definition of portable

[1:53:27] Voice 4: housing funder, Article 1, Section 8 definition.

[1:53:30] Voice 4: mission and replacing that word with similar other words where it says other agencies that

[1:53:37] Voice 4: says similar vacancies i'll second

[1:53:41] Trustee Langereis: for discussion okay so uh let's just make sure we got the motion

[1:53:46] Trustee Langereis: uh the dean did you get the motion yes yes okay so that's been moved and seconded for discussion

[1:53:56] Trustee Langereis: So, I know you asked that question, I asked the question with Mr. Scott.

[1:54:03] Trustee Langereis: Do you want to speak to the motion, Trustee Landgress?

[1:54:07] Voice 4: No, I just

[1:54:08] Trustee Langereis: think it provides a little more certainty.

[1:54:11] Voice 4: Could

[1:54:13] Trustee Langereis: you define similar? Would it preclude, for example...

[1:54:22] Trustee Langereis: We

[1:54:22] Voice 4: have to find some commonality. Other agencies...

[1:54:29] Trustee Langereis: well the other is defined by that provides a grant of preferential rating loan to support

[1:54:35] Trustee Langereis: the development of affordable housing uses on the land so that there is some definition there

[1:54:40] Trustee Langereis: i guess what similar would lead to me is is are you intending similar to mean government

[1:54:47] Trustee Langereis: yes so it would limit it to government agencies is that what you're you're limited okay trustee

[1:54:55] Trustee Langereis: over um

[1:54:57] Voice 3: yeah i think i think at this stage in the process i don't see the first of all it has

[1:55:05] Voice 3: to be an agency um or other agency or similar you see to me this this puts um potential limits on

[1:55:15] Voice 3: this um in the end it's an affordable housing funder and they're subsidizing to some extent

[1:55:23] Voice 3: in different percentages affordable housing projects so i'm not going to vote for this

[1:55:29] Voice 3: because i think it i don't think it adds clarity i think it potentially provides roadblocks that

[1:55:34] Voice 3: we'll just have to fix later on but in the practical world of who and how affordable

[1:55:39] Voice 3: housing is funded i don't think leaving this as other opens it up to to anything other than

[1:55:49] Voice 3: getting something built so i don't think this change at this stage of the process provides

[1:55:54] Voice 3: it's enough clarity, it has the added liability of further clouding. I'm happy with the way this is

[1:56:04] Voice 3: worded. I don't think it's open to any...

[1:56:09] Voice 4: This is a follow-up comment. I mean, this is all being

[1:56:12] Voice 4: legal review. Legal make legal decisions, not policy decisions necessarily. And that's a

[1:56:19] Voice 4: distinction. And I don't know that there's a policy discussion of legal around the term

[1:56:35] Voice 7: I

[1:56:36] Trustee Langereis: think your intent is perfectly appropriate in the sense that I have no quarrel with you making

[1:56:41] Trustee Langereis: the motion. I do in my mind go if Man City put a hundred million dollars on the table

[1:56:52] Trustee Langereis: for people why would that's not a government agency I why would I why would I limit them

[1:56:59] Trustee Langereis: that they couldn't go to that agency to get funding or if Joe Blow billionaire puts 500

[1:57:06] Trustee Langereis: million dollars Bill Gates decides to throw a bunch of money into housing in Canada why would

[1:57:12] Trustee Langereis: I limit them to not being able to make those as long as we have preferential rate loans or grants

[1:57:20] Trustee Langereis: is and I appreciate that I know I raised this issue a long time ago what does the agency mean

[1:57:26] Trustee Langereis: and I think agency required is is a bit of a nebulous term but I'm not sure I want to put

[1:57:34] Trustee Langereis: and given your intent for similar is that it has to be a governmental agency

[1:57:40] Trustee Langereis: I think that that's too limiting for them because we know that governments are limited and I

[1:57:47] Trustee Langereis: I am very concerned that when all the bills come in from COVID in the next couple of years,

[1:57:55] Trustee Langereis: we may, or if we get an election at the federal level that goes a different direction,

[1:57:59] Trustee Langereis: that we may be stuck in three years with a scenario where government says we're not putting any money in.

[1:58:05] Trustee Langereis: And then we'll be turned to the not-for-profit sector to do that.

[1:58:09] Trustee Langereis: So I don't think I can support that case.

[1:58:12] Trustee Langereis: But I do agree with you, it's entirely a policy decision as opposed to, and there is a distinction.

[1:58:17] Trustee Langereis: So I'm not going to vote in favor.

[1:58:20] Voice 3: Yeah, it is, to me, agency is self-defined in here.

[1:58:24] Voice 3: That provides a grand and preferential rate

[1:58:26] Voice 3: on support spending for the housing units.

[1:58:27] Voice 3: That's, you know what, if someone's doing that,

[1:58:31] Voice 3: that's, I'm good with that.

[1:58:33] Voice 3: If we want to add something about Elon Musk,

[1:58:35] Voice 3: I would do that at this stage, but .

[1:58:38] Trustee Langereis: Right.

[1:58:39] Trustee Langereis: Okay, I'm going to call the vote on this,

[1:58:41] Trustee Langereis: unless you have a wish to say anything

[1:58:42] Trustee Langereis: for the trustee migrants.

[1:58:43] Trustee Langereis: No.

[1:58:43] Trustee Langereis: All in favor?

[1:58:44] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so there's one in favor and all opposed.

[1:58:48] Trustee Langereis: are you you're um are you opposed yes two opposed sorry is there any other motions before we go

[1:58:55] Trustee Langereis: uh to amend before we go on to

[1:58:57] Trustee Langereis: exactly another

[1:58:58] Voice 4: one but i'm going to drop it okay

[1:59:03] Trustee Langereis: okay so we have so we'll go come back

[1:59:05] Trustee Langereis: to the motion that was tabled which is the one to move

[1:59:08] Trustee Langereis: and second um let's start to read it a second time which was moved and seconded okay so i don't need

[1:59:14] Trustee Langereis: to do that again you don't need to do it here okay uh i think um does anybody wish to speak to it

[1:59:21] Trustee Langereis: trustee culver no

[1:59:22] Voice 3: not in this stage i think i'm trusting a lot of right

[1:59:24] Voice 3: everyone for the workout

[1:59:24] Voice 3: okay

[1:59:25] Trustee Langereis: so then i'll call the vote on reading it a second time as amended uh all in favor again i'll

[1:59:30] Trustee Langereis: vote in favor for all the reasons i gave before trustee line grassner i'm going to pull the post

[1:59:35] Voice 3: okay i moved at the gabriel island local trust community byline 308 cited as gabriel island

[1:59:40] Voice 3: island housing agreement bylaw number 308 2020 be read a third time

[1:59:43] Voice 4: okay uh

[1:59:46] Trustee Langereis: any discussion no

[1:59:48] Voice 3: uh

[1:59:49] Trustee Langereis: all in favor then i'll i'll vote in favor two in favor

[1:59:52] Trustee Langereis: trustee

[1:59:53] Voice 3: weinberg you're opposed yes okay i'll move that the gabriel island local

[1:59:56] Voice 3: trust committee bylaw number 308 cited as gabriel island housing

[2:00:00] Voice 3: bylaw number three right 2020 before to the secretary of trust for approval by the executive

[2:00:04] Voice 3: committee

[2:00:04] Trustee Langereis: okay you want to second it for discussion thanks trustee lenders appreciate that i think

[2:00:09] Trustee Langereis: that's the i think that's the right thing to do i you may have noticed that trust council i often

[2:00:14] Trustee Langereis: second trustee rights promotions just for this question even though i never agree with them

[2:00:19] Trustee Langereis: yeah and i made

[2:00:20] Voice 3: that honestly i in my innocent naive you know three four years ago i thought

[2:00:26] Voice 3: you couldn't do that or if i thought you were signaling you know what i mean like

[2:00:30] Voice 3: okay

[2:00:30] Trustee Langereis: so thank you for that is there any further discussion if not i'll call a vote

[2:00:37] Trustee Langereis: two two votes in favor and trustee lacrosse i assume okay anything further for this uh uh

[2:00:44] Trustee Langereis: no

[2:00:45] Voice 4: thank you okay so thank you very

[2:00:48] Trustee Langereis: much for that discussion thank you mr scott for attending

[2:00:51] Trustee Langereis: ending. I assume the process now is because we had the water

[2:00:57] Trustee Langereis: license, we've had the set, I think we've got that

[2:00:59] Trustee Langereis: information for April, it's all there, that after the executive

[2:01:03] Trustee Langereis: committee has dealt with this, presuming the improvement, and

[2:01:09] Trustee Langereis: who knows? Because I'm only one of three, four votes there. And

[2:01:15] Trustee Langereis: they sometimes ask me some challenging questions. All three

[2:01:20] Trustee Langereis: three bylaws would come back?

[2:01:21] Trustee Langereis: Correct.

[2:01:22] Voice 4: So the next steps in the staff report indicate

[2:01:24] Voice 4: that after EC considers, if there's approval,

[2:01:28] Voice 4: you could consider all three bylaws for final reading

[2:01:31] Voice 4: which would be adoption potentially as early

[2:01:34] Voice 4: as your June meeting if we can meet

[2:01:36] Voice 4: the next EC agenda deadline.

[2:01:39] Voice 7: Correct.

[2:01:39] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[2:01:40] Voice 4: Otherwise we can do it by RWM as well.

[2:01:45] Trustee Langereis: Yeah, we have an executive meeting

[2:01:48] Trustee Langereis: meeting on the 25th of May I think it'll get there by then um that would be very unusual I mean I

[2:01:55] Trustee Langereis: know we have some structural issues with no director of planning but I would think it would

[2:02:00] Trustee Langereis: get there RPM calorie I know you're there it'll get there by the 25th one I

[2:02:07] Voice 1: think so thanks okay

[2:02:10] Trustee Langereis: so so then I think we could probably look at dealing with this if you're ready if the staff

[2:02:15] Trustee Langereis: is ready to bring it all back in june and if not we have a meeting in july as well

[2:02:20] Voice 5: okay

[2:02:21] Trustee Langereis: thank you very much everybody for attending thank you mr scott i appreciate all of your uh

[2:02:28] Trustee Langereis: your um your work um now gentlemen uh trustees what do you wish what's your pleasure

[2:02:36] Trustee Langereis: um we have uh uh the rest of the business i think for the most part is going to be relatively short

[2:02:44] Trustee Langereis: unless there's some controversy around the heritage commission that i'm not aware of

[2:02:47] Trustee Langereis: um uh are you would you like a brief break and then just carry on or would you staff like a

[2:02:53] Trustee Langereis: lunch break or would you prefer just to keep going

[2:02:55] Voice 4: okay so

[2:02:58] Trustee Langereis: why don't we take um 10 minutes

[2:02:59] Trustee Langereis: and then just keep moving and maybe we'll be done by 1 30 ish and uh i might even make the

[2:03:05] Trustee Langereis: 215 ferry which will get me on the the 320 or 340 um uh nanaimo ferry okay so we'll just for

[2:03:15] Trustee Langereis: anybody watching we'll just go to adjourn for 10 minutes we'll be back at uh at 12 45. thank you

[2:12:48] Trustee Langereis: yeah well i have looks very much like that one so a little bit okay so welcome back anybody who's

[2:12:56] Trustee Langereis: watching online we seem to have um we don't have anybody here in the room with us it's just our

[2:13:04] Trustee Langereis: it's just the staff and the uh and the trustees at this point uh but uh we'll continue on through

[2:13:10] Trustee Langereis: the agenda now um so that was 7.1 uh 7.2 is at page 33 this is our fees bylaw that's come back

[2:13:21] Trustee Langereis: from from uh ec do you wish to uh present anything related to that uh

[2:13:26] Trustee Langereis: no

[2:13:27] Voice 4: unless you have any questions

[2:13:30] Trustee Langereis: um and that's it page sorry i'm just trying to find a motion

[2:13:39] Trustee Langereis: does somebody unless somebody has some comments does anybody uh wish to make a motion

[2:13:45] Voice 4: i'll put

[2:13:52] Voice 4: 3.11 cited as Gabriel Island with the custody fees by-law 2021 be adopted.

[2:14:00] Trustee Langereis: I'll second. Okay. Any discussion from either of the trustees? I'll just tell you that the

[2:14:05] Trustee Langereis: executive committee had questions, but they approved your modification to the fees by-law

[2:14:12] Trustee Langereis: and they were fine. So we approved it. So I'll call the vote. All in favor? So that's now adopted.

[2:14:19] Trustee Langereis: it i think we're up to i asked you this before uh rtm gower how many trust local trust communities

[2:14:26] Trustee Langereis: had adopted this uh do you know uh have both denman hornby uh denman or be adopted uh

[2:14:33] Voice 1: no not

[2:14:34] Voice 1: yet oh

[2:14:36] Trustee Langereis: they have not no

[2:14:37] Voice 1: so

[2:14:39] Trustee Langereis: gambier gabriel salt spring galliano uh

[2:14:44] Voice 1: fetus and bolinas win chelsea

[2:14:45] Voice 1: from the north okay

[2:14:48] Trustee Langereis: so that's five and then williams when chelsea is is yes uh and i know

[2:14:55] Trustee Langereis: galliano and salt spring have uh means that their apc i think always south pender has as well

[2:15:01] Trustee Langereis: so there's six perhaps maybe seven uh so we're getting there there's a few that are outstanding

[2:15:11] Trustee Langereis: Okay, good. So let's go on to local trust committee projects. Do you wish to update us on any of that, any of the projects? What's outstanding, I guess, is the question.

[2:15:23] Trustee Langereis: your

[2:15:23] Voice 4: density donation outreach program we will be putting together a package for your housing

[2:15:29] Voice 4: advisory planning commission to refer the outreach materials that have been standalone

[2:15:34] Voice 4: in perpetuity maybe to help people understand how that program might work for the voluntary

[2:15:41] Voice 4: donations of density and that's um the project that i'm working on and i understand we may have

[2:15:48] Voice 4: of RPM Coward and speech

[2:15:51] Voice 4: and ecological protection zone project

[2:15:54] Voice 4: and whether there's resourcing for that in works.

[2:15:56] Voice 4: Now that we have bodies in the northern office

[2:16:00] Voice 4: and that is it for the project to...

[2:16:07] Trustee Langereis: That's the only two we have left for this term.

[2:16:10] Trustee Langereis: And do you want, RPM Coward,

[2:16:12] Trustee Langereis: do you wish to speak to the ecological protection zone

[2:16:15] Trustee Langereis: and what you envision might happen

[2:16:17] Trustee Langereis: in the uh in the remaining term yeah

[2:16:20] Voice 1: i do i do plan on well my my hope is we can actually have

[2:16:25] Voice 1: it on your agenda the next meeting in june okay

[2:16:30] Trustee Langereis: great so we could move maybe move some of that

[2:16:34] Trustee Langereis: forward because chris uh planner cox when he was here did a lot of the pre-work on that and we can

[2:16:40] Trustee Langereis: talk about the about the scope of that

[2:16:43] Voice 7: okay

[2:16:44] Trustee Langereis: any questions from either of the trustees about that

[2:16:47] Trustee Langereis: Okay, I will say that the very village part of the active demonstration project that's

[2:16:50] Voice 3: directed by Craig has been taken up a little bit, so it's starting to move into the engagement with the multiple funders and the jurisdictional support.

[2:17:00] Voice 3: It's not just sitting there, it's actually moving up there.

[2:17:04] Voice 3: Okay,

[2:17:05] Trustee Langereis: so to speak.

[2:17:09] Trustee Langereis: All right, next item is, of course, I just wanted to ask correspondence, I was having a discussion with the planners.

[2:17:14] Trustee Langereis: looking at i think there's been a bit of a disconnect in and i apologize to just these

[2:17:20] Trustee Langereis: things is that uh i i sort of assumed when she wrote to us that that would just occur

[2:17:27] Trustee Langereis: uh the planner of the view was of the view that if trustees asked for correspondence be put on

[2:17:32] Trustee Langereis: the agenda that it would be that's fine uh it doesn't we don't need to resolve the bigger

[2:17:37] Trustee Langereis: issue related to that but i have now asked that that correspondence be put on the agenda so that

[2:17:42] Trustee Langereis: that it appears so that that concern.

[2:17:44] Trustee Langereis: And generally, my general view is,

[2:17:48] Trustee Langereis: is that correspondence of a general nature,

[2:17:50] Trustee Langereis: not related to specific applications or projects,

[2:17:54] Trustee Langereis: if that are, that are trust-related considerations,

[2:17:59] Trustee Langereis: concerns probably should.

[2:18:01] Trustee Langereis: And I will be trying to be more conscious

[2:18:03] Trustee Langereis: as I get them to ask, maybe put on the agenda

[2:18:06] Trustee Langereis: so that they can be transparent to the public.

[2:18:09] Trustee Langereis: Because if we're taking them into account,

[2:18:11] Trustee Langereis: we should uh that we should and we're reading them and considering them they should be the public

[2:18:17] Trustee Langereis: community should be aware of them um any comments on that from either of the trustees

[2:18:23] Trustee Langereis: okay then let's go on to the community community heritage commission uh trustee langer thank you

[2:18:28] Trustee Langereis: for this piece of work that's at page 39 of the agenda yeah yeah

[2:18:32] Voice 4: um basically what happened is

[2:18:34] Voice 4: i did meet with this group of people and they presented i thought some good arguments for

[2:18:39] Voice 4: for establishing a commission, which is one of the options.

[2:18:43] Voice 4: And what happened is when I started to look at

[2:18:46] Voice 4: the background to this,

[2:18:48] Voice 4: I came across some sections of the Local Government Act,

[2:18:50] Voice 4: which gave me pause to think,

[2:18:53] Voice 4: can we actually do it or not?

[2:18:54] Voice 4: And then, so I wasn't certain about it.

[2:18:57] Voice 4: So I support the concept of them,

[2:19:00] Voice 4: I mean, the Kingdom of New Zealand Society

[2:19:02] Voice 4: plays a similar, a role that fits within the scheme

[2:19:06] Voice 4: of the idea of a heritage commission.

[2:19:08] They have a good connection with us in England and so from that perspective, I think it fits the criteria.

[2:19:17] And they said they would want to undertake to work on identifying various places.

[2:19:27] Voice 4: The only thing that the other thing I wasn't certain about is the commission.

[2:19:37] So I wasn't certain about the impact on the staff.

[2:19:42] Voice 4: and whether or not we the sections of the government have particularly this one i got

[2:19:51] confused i thought i'd rather i was going to come for the motion to do them i think that we need

[2:19:58] so through

[2:20:07] Voice 7: the

[2:20:09] Voice 4: chair you do want the authority based on those advice we've received from the

[2:20:15] Voice 4: previous director that takes care of that part of the feasibility of the study

[2:20:25] Voice 4: but what we can advise you on today are which elements of the local government actually apply

[2:20:31] Voice 4: to that commission whether it's nearing the advisory planning commission or if there's

[2:20:36] Voice 4: other pieces that stuff that we would still need to look into unless our regional planning manager

[2:20:40] Voice 4: power is able to provide some extra clarity today but i don't have those answers okay

[2:20:45] Voice 7: so there still

[2:20:46] Voice 7: still needs to be some more parameters

[2:20:49] Voice 4: for me regional planning manager has that clarity that

[2:20:55] Voice 4: would be great and then we can help you have a discussion about how this might work if it looks

[2:21:00] Voice 4: like it would have to be a project by the local trust committee either way for staff to be assigned

[2:21:05] Voice 4: or to assist in helping this happen rpm

[2:21:10] Trustee Langereis: coward do you want to fill in any dots yeah

[2:21:14] Voice 1: i mean i think

[2:21:15] Voice 1: Sonia's covered most of it but um yeah we'd have we'd have to look at what kind of staffing and

[2:21:21] Voice 1: funding um we'd be on we'd be able to contribute to that um i mean the recommendation here is that

[2:21:29] Voice 1: we do a feasibility report and i think a brief kind of summary we could provide um but yeah i

[2:21:38] Voice 1: see that as something that would definitely be a project and maybe an ongoing thing that we'd have

[2:21:43] Voice 1: to provide staff or funding support for so

[2:21:46] Trustee Langereis: i'm trying to picture that i mean i sort of read the

[2:21:53] Trustee Langereis: the report and the and the background material and i sort of saw it as oh you establish them

[2:21:58] Trustee Langereis: they go off and work on their own and they come come back to

[2:22:01] Trustee Langereis: you from time to time with

[2:22:03] Trustee Langereis: recommendations

[2:22:04] Voice 7: and

[2:22:06] Trustee Langereis: and i and i yeah but but you see it as perhaps a more complicated scenario it

[2:22:13] Voice 1: maybe we don't know um in part because uh island stress doesn't actually have one at all we haven't

[2:22:20] Voice 1: established a heritage commission yet so this would be a first time thing and so we don't know

[2:22:25] Voice 1: exactly what would what it would mean there

[2:22:29] Trustee Langereis: are no heritage commissions on other

[2:22:30] Voice 7: islands no

[2:22:32] Voice 1: that's

[2:22:35] Voice 7: like i thought they were good

[2:22:38] Trustee Langereis: anyway but there

[2:22:39] Voice 1: are there there is a heritage bylaw so denman has a

[2:22:43] Voice 1: a heritage bylaw that allows them to designate um heritage properties um but they didn't actually

[2:22:52] Voice 1: establish a commission so

[2:22:54] Voice 3: i think denman pender and steven and i will have registers but they

[2:22:59] Voice 3: may not have commissions that's right

[2:23:01] Voice 1: so

[2:23:04] Trustee Langereis: um trustee longaris has recognized that um

[2:23:08] Trustee Langereis: um uh Mr Bula was here um which is taking me in on a 25-year flashback when I invited him back in

[2:23:20] Trustee Langereis: Vancouver um so uh uh but the uh and has that suggested he may want to speak to trustees you're

[2:23:28] Trustee Langereis: okay with that absolutely so welcome yeah

[2:23:31] Voice 4: thank you very much and uh thank you trustee for raising

[2:23:36] Voice 4: this issue uh i was looking at your agenda assuming one o'clock so we realize you your

[2:23:42] Voice 4: diligence was such that you're ahead of your agenda we're

[2:23:46] Trustee Langereis: a little bit ahead

[2:23:47] Voice 4: which is to be

[2:23:47] Voice 4: commended that said um yes um with regards to the uh commission um trustee culprit is correct

[2:23:59] Voice 4: correct, that Pender and Denman do have registers. The process that they arrived at to reach

[2:24:11] Voice 4: that register wasn't necessarily through a commission, but a commission is one way that

[2:24:16] Voice 4: it can be done. The best example is the City of Birmingham. They have a heritage advisory

[2:24:23] Voice 4: prior to this legislation that provides for this

[2:24:27] And that legislation essentially

[2:24:32] Voice 4: morphed their advisory committee into a commission because

[2:24:39] Voice 4: a commission under the existing legislation is essentially takes on an advisory function.

[2:24:47] Voice 4: motion. Obviously, the commission can't make bylaws, but they can propose plans, they can

[2:24:56] Voice 4: make suggestions, and they can take on the heavy lifting of doing a lot of the work that

[2:25:04] otherwise as

[2:25:05] Voice 4: planners would be just a matter of burden or something that perhaps is in

[2:25:13] Voice 4: in the budget for staff care.

[2:25:17] Voice 4: DuPont, et cetera, according to this.

[2:25:20] Voice 4: So what the commission can do is bring in a body,

[2:25:24] Voice 4: in this case, we're proposing that the museum person here,

[2:25:29] Voice 4: who have the really most important thing is the interest.

[2:25:36] Voice 4: And we can show that there's a certain ability,

[2:25:40] Voice 4: but there's also a commitment to the island

[2:25:43] Voice 4: to preparing the process and then working with the trust of the partners to allow for it to finish.

[2:25:51] Trustee Langereis: So I just, I mean, this sounds all great.

[2:25:55] Trustee Langereis: I think the only caveat that the staff has put on it is they're not quite sure what kind of resources process we need to use internally in order to make this happen.

[2:26:11] Trustee Langereis: I'd hate to see it become a project.

[2:26:13] Trustee Langereis: And I'll just say that I just don't want to get caught in our project where we have to

[2:26:21] Trustee Langereis: develop a project charter and all the rest of that as opposed to just doing it.

[2:26:28] Trustee Langereis: So I guess what you're saying, RPM Cower, is you want to take it away and think about

[2:26:35] Trustee Langereis: it and come back and advise us as to whether there's a simple way to do what's being suggested

[2:26:42] Trustee Langereis: requested.

[2:26:44] Voice 1: Yep, that's what I'm,

[2:26:45] Trustee Langereis: trustee, I don't want to I don't want to use your discussion.

[2:26:52] Voice 4: Yeah, I was hoping it would be a simple motion, and they will be able to do their work, come to us.

[2:26:59] Voice 4: And when they've got something for it, like at this time prior that we could then start with the heritage of the place on it.

[2:27:08] Voice 4: what happened when i looked at the legislation i wondered whether as an as a commission

[2:27:14] open meetings and it's becoming like basically an entity

[2:27:27] Voice 4: because because the commission is under applies to municipality doesn't and that was actually

[2:27:45] Voice 4: I don't, I can't immediately go by finger on the thumb page index, but there's some

[2:27:54] Voice 4: discussion in their advice to community groups on heritage commissions.

[2:28:01] Voice 4: They go into it in some detail to the extent that they emphasize the commission is an advisor

[2:28:09] Voice 4: So the advisory capacity is the most important.

[2:28:15] Voice 4: They're not an adjunct of an existing government body.

[2:28:22] Voice 4: So they wouldn't be, you know, have the same significance or have the same parameters when they have the discussions as the trust does.

[2:28:32] Voice 4: Well,

[2:28:33] Trustee Langereis: our APCs are advisory boards too, and they are caught by those rules.

[2:28:38] Trustee Langereis: And that's what I think that concern that trustee is not like to impose those on you.

[2:28:44] Trustee Langereis: If there's a way to do that, because we think I think probably we'd like to see you operate the way exactly the way you describe,

[2:28:52] Trustee Langereis: which is to go away, come back with proposals, suggestions appear occasionally in front of us.

[2:28:58] Trustee Langereis: But I don't want

[2:28:59] Trustee Langereis: to speak for you guys, but you haven't said much.

[2:29:02] Trustee Langereis: Yeah,

[2:29:03] Voice 3: no, I don't quite see how this works. Is there a representative of the museum?

[2:29:09] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:29:09] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:29:11] Voice 3: Hi, Chris Campbell.

[2:29:13] Voice 3: Hi. Because the trust has undergone some work with heritage overlay mapping and works with First Nations, and that has to be a piece of how we're doing this work.

[2:29:24] Voice 3: That work is sort of moving at a certain rate.

[2:29:28] Voice 3: and i recognize that um it says in here that you're working towards a member of a memorandum

[2:29:34] of understanding this could be part

[2:29:36] Voice 3: of it and i'm just wondering if the timelines of that what that

[2:29:39] Voice 3: could look like understanding right um

[2:29:43] Voice 4: so that has been using under development for a while and we're

[2:29:48] Voice 4: We're now approaching signature.

[2:29:54] Voice 4: We were going to before and on this COVID outbreak

[2:29:57] Voice 4: so we are participating.

[2:30:00] Voice 4: next week. It's been back and forth a number of times, but we're close. The thing that we're doing as a museum board is very much in line with this mission, as it now stands. In fact, I think it would sort of give us maybe another voice to speak to the community as a whole about what's important to the community as a whole.

[2:30:27] Voice 4: and if we're doing this as a board of directors you might know we're certainly 22nd right here

[2:30:33] Voice 4: which tour this good tour of the umbrella where we're signing 23 different signs around the

[2:30:39] Voice 4: products or sort of the island and the cinema was part of that they're putting signs

[2:30:47] Voice 4: we've got quite a process going now of interaction with them and the goal would be to capture this

[2:30:56] Voice 4: in the mou so that we have a process that lives beyond the current material for directors um and

[2:31:03] Voice 4: so i think that the commission what i like about it is it gives us an outreach to i guess the

[2:31:10] Voice 4: community as a whole where we could speak maybe for the broader population um as well as the same

[2:31:16] Voice 4: so we've got some email reps but we don't really have a community uh as it now stands voice we just

[2:31:23] Voice 4: have a board of directors but um having been on the island since i've been by i have a lot of

[2:31:33] Voice 4: heart for i think and i think a lot of people do for everything heritage on the island so i

[2:31:38] Voice 4: sort of like this i think we're behind the intent of this commission and i think it wouldn't take

[2:31:44] Voice 4: much more for us to administer so it's we don't see it as a big burden i wouldn't want to get

[2:31:50] Voice 4: caught up with bureaucratic uh burden either um but if we're sort of almost there i guess is what

[2:31:57] Voice 4: i'm saying if i don't know that it would be that much more so my thought was speaking is that we

[2:32:02] Voice 4: better know that what is that next level of complexity that we would be adding and be really

[2:32:07] Voice 4: clear that we would be willing to take the board of directors would have to know so i i appreciate

[2:32:13] Voice 4: you're turning it back to us that way um but i don't think we would see it as a big group

[2:32:19] Trustee Langereis: right because one one option is for you to carry on informally and sort of bring proposals to us

[2:32:28] Trustee Langereis: as you see but but but i think the motion that's drafted by by a trustee is to ask staff to do some

[2:32:35] Trustee Langereis: reporting to assist what would be involved and that would give you that

[2:32:37] Trustee Langereis: information and would

[2:32:39] Trustee Langereis: give us that information and then perhaps we could have this discussion again in this fashion as to

[2:32:45] Trustee Langereis: whether this is an appropriate way sure

[2:32:48] Voice 4: yeah i agree with that it does prolong it um a bit but

[2:32:52] Voice 4: i guess that's proper process i guess what i want to leave you with is not sensing that there'll be

[2:32:58] Voice 4: burden on the ltc because you've got a really human partner and that it's very much in line

[2:33:05] Voice 4: with our goals and intent for the identity and to if we can be an arm of the heritage

[2:33:11] Voice 4: intention of the lgc then that's what we're doing

[2:33:16] Trustee Langereis: and and you'll you trustee langaris and your

[2:33:21] Trustee Langereis: report sort of identified when this issue arose earlier this term around i'm not even sure what

[2:33:27] Trustee Langereis: the location is i forgot now i know it's in my report but and we sort of stopped our process

[2:33:34] Trustee Langereis: because we wanted to understand the the the indigenous first nations consideration

[2:33:40] Voice 7: So that's where

[2:33:41] Trustee Langereis: you know that's obviously, and I hear you say that's a piece that's important.

[2:33:46] Trustee Langereis: We've

[2:33:46] Voice 4: certainly moved that along, and I really like the amount that we're reaching now.

[2:33:51] Voice 4: It's a lot of effort, but it's worth it. And so I think that we would, if this came to be a formal role for the museum, we would embody that at the end of the year,

[2:34:03] Voice 4: would probably would result in revision uh where they're part of that if they would be a member

[2:34:07] Voice 4: in that commission for example formally and we're always challenged with um lack of resources at

[2:34:14] Voice 4: their end but we would work hard to get the voice and just like we do now and it does take a lot of

[2:34:19] Voice 4: like work about zoom calls and lunch meetings etc but we're already into that so are there

[2:34:26] Trustee Langereis: questions from trustees comments or do you want to make a motion

[2:34:33] Trustee Langereis: I'm

[2:34:33] Voice 3: wondering about the use of the current ABC, the current advisory planning commission,

[2:34:39] Voice 3: and whether or not this can be referred to them for public consultation or to work through

[2:34:44] Voice 3: the options and if that's a way to sort of get at the staff report or more information

[2:34:48] Voice 3: for us to make this decision, or is that just add work

[2:34:52] Voice 4: for

[2:34:53] Voice 3: the staff members to take it

[2:34:55] Voice 3: to the APC?

[2:34:55] Voice 4: So through the chair, I think in order to get the APC up to speed, we're going to have

[2:35:00] Voice 4: do the same amount of research as we would if we did the report to you likely for your july meeting

[2:35:05] Voice 4: at the earliest just because of someone has to do a little bit of research to figure out what

[2:35:11] Voice 4: the abilities are for your appointed commission to operate under the same autism of apc

[2:35:18] Voice 4: right do they still have to adhere to that public meetings and appointments um you know you would

[2:35:26] Voice 4: be appointing members to the commission if it has to go through the same structure as the bpc

[2:35:32] Voice 4: terms the two-year terms for your terms and all those administrative pieces have to be flushed

[2:35:39] Voice 4: out if they're subject to the same thing then we need to give you that confidence that you can then

[2:35:45] Voice 4: appoint the members but that everyone's clear that they have to adhere to this administrative

[2:35:53] Voice 4: bylaw in terms of how they conduct those meetings notify the public of those meetings

[2:35:57] Voice 4: allow for public observance of those things etc etc if they're not subject to those elements of

[2:36:02] Voice 4: the local government act then that's different but we need to give you that information and i'd

[2:36:07] Voice 4: have to do that for an adc right and

[2:36:10] Voice 4: then i'm not sure how valuable their input would be because

[2:36:12] Voice 4: really it's a technical exercise right now to ascertain how this commission functions

[2:36:19] Voice 4: administratively and then the workings of it at

[2:36:22] Voice 5: the next step yeah

[2:36:23] Voice 4: my hope was that it would be

[2:36:25] Voice 4: get caught into the apc my brothers find out a legal perspective yeah that

[2:36:41] Voice 3: answer your question

[2:36:42] Voice 3: yeah i

[2:36:43] Voice 4: don't think the

[2:36:43] Voice 3: apc could be the commissioner either i

[2:36:46] Trustee Langereis: don't think that's

[2:36:47] Trustee Langereis: the intent of this whole idea i'm trying to skip steps here okay so do you want to make

[2:36:54] Trustee Langereis: move your motion i can just

[2:36:57] Voice 4: ask oh sorry but one thing um the

[2:37:02] Voice 4: the segment of legislation that allows for a municipal body to appoint an existing organization

[2:37:09] Voice 4: to take on the role of a commission my understanding is that the intent of that

[2:37:17] Voice 4: It's not something that's done very often, is to primarily, not bypass, but to simplify

[2:37:25] Voice 4: some of the issues that you've raised, Council Member, Trustee Colburn, which is to have

[2:37:31] Voice 4: an existing organization which already has that process established for public meetings,

[2:37:39] Voice 4: for consultation, et cetera, to take on the role and allow for the advisory function to

[2:37:46] Voice 1: then be

[2:37:46] Voice 4: primarily

[2:37:47] Voice 1: what they report to the municipal

[2:37:49] Voice 4: body whereas the administrative

[2:37:52] Voice 4: credit function is taken on by the organization and with regards to the 2019 report the two

[2:38:02] Voice 4: clauses that uh resulted in the tabling of that report were one uh or the two caveats at the time

[2:38:11] Voice 4: raised by the council was that one there was not enough uh consultation associations but

[2:38:18] Voice 4: secondly and just as important there wasn't enough consultation with community so those two parts

[2:38:24] Voice 4: uh would be uh prime the primary goals of the commission and the first step of the commission

[2:38:30] Voice 4: of course would be to come back with a proposal on how to reach those two roles not to just jump in

[2:38:37] Voice 4: but to come back and say this is how this could be accomplished and that would also take into

[2:38:43] Voice 4: consideration open public meetings and what the form of that consultation would be and and the

[2:38:50] Voice 4: examples would be again it's put out in our letter that we submitted is we would consult with

[2:38:56] Voice 4: existing heritage traditions and uh heritage dc who have very kindly preferred and offered their

[2:39:04] Voice 4: their expertise in helping and advice in achieving this.

[2:39:10] The part that I think the real question is that section in the Local Government Act that

[2:39:16] sets up the establishment of a Heritage Advisory Commission doesn't apply to the Local Health

[2:39:23] Committee.

[2:39:24] That's the sticking point because the Part 15 applies to us, but it applies to us as

[2:39:32] it was a reasonable government but that section is specific to is not assigned to the trust committee

[2:39:40] Voice 4: so it is to me it just wasn't really clear that's why i

[2:39:43] Voice 4: proposed it and it sounded like we can do a commission so now the question is what is this

[2:39:51] commission is it an advisory time commission or is it a commission in the sense of what

[2:39:55] which

[2:39:56] Voice 4: is that you're just an advisory body and you're not bound by all of the

[2:40:02] Voice 4: criteria as an abc but it may turn out that we have to create an abc for that specific

[2:40:09] that's the question

[2:40:11] Voice 3: and the other piece of that is the regional districts would be covered by

[2:40:15] Voice 3: section 15 and could therefore more easily carry this out perhaps could they not just to establish

[2:40:22] Voice 3: the commission itself potentially yeah well let's find out yeah because that could be another route

[2:40:28] Voice 3: to go with this because the ltcs are so unique within the local governor that maybe the regional

[2:40:33] Voice 3: district could set this up and we're not just going to be part of it from a land use point of view

[2:40:36] Voice 3: and then you've got to name it and everything else so the museum can be the agency that plays a

[2:40:40] Voice 3: role without necessarily being the commission itself does that make sense through an rdn process

[2:40:46] the other section that gave me pause with the section said you have to have a black

[2:40:56] Voice 4: the chair it would be the same as your bylaw that develops the procedure for the abc

[2:41:01] Voice 4: likely it's an administrative bylaw and that's what governs the the terms the membership

[2:41:12] Voice 1: i'll add after you sonja but

[2:41:18] Trustee Langereis: she's done oh

[2:41:19] Voice 1: yeah presumably it also means you have to have

[2:41:23] Voice 1: a heritage bylaw. I guess I'll be curious to see whose register is it? Are we talking about

[2:41:34] Voice 1: the BC register because there is a BC heritage registry? Or are you saying that you want the

[2:41:42] Voice 1: LTC to establish a register through a bylaw because that's how they would do that? And then

[2:41:48] Voice 1: then the commission is advising on the LTC's heritage register, because I think that's how

[2:41:56] Voice 1: that would have to work if the LTC were establishing a commission, is the commission

[2:42:02] Voice 1: is advising the LTC on their registry, not on the BC heritage, or someone, some other entity's

[2:42:12] Voice 1: register. Does that make sense?

[2:42:19] Trustee Langereis: Silence is raining as we ponder the technica, what is sounding more

[2:42:26] Trustee Langereis: technical than I think anybody imagined. Thanks to R.P.M. Cowra. Anything else before I ask you

[2:42:36] Trustee Langereis: to make your motion?

[2:42:40] Voice 4: Go ahead. Okay. I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:42:45] the West South Export and Feasibility Community

[2:42:48] Voice 4: Heritage Commission

[2:42:49] Voice 4: and nominating the Gabriel and Museum Historical Society.

[2:42:54] Trustee Langereis: Do you want

[2:42:55] Voice 3: to be that specific in terms of nominating

[2:43:11] Voice 3: the Gabriel and Museum Historical Society to act as that commission?

[2:43:14] Voice 3: Or do you want us more general how this could work?

[2:43:18] Trustee Langereis: i think it's going to be both it's going to be both and i think that the idea is is that find

[2:43:23] Trustee Langereis: out the feasibility and then find out what would be involved in nominating an existing entity to

[2:43:29] Trustee Langereis: act as that condition in this case one that's named but whatever was decided whatever the

[2:43:34] Trustee Langereis: advice was related to the gmhs would also apply to any group but it specifically i mean that's

[2:43:43] Trustee Langereis: who's volunteered to do this and so um

[2:43:47] Voice 3: uh but it would it wouldn't see i'm getting stuck in this

[2:43:50] Voice 3: because it's the museum historical society has a board of directors already and but you're going

[2:43:55] Voice 3: to form a commission like your board is not going to be the commission you're going to form a

[2:44:00] Voice 3: commission you don't understand to me this this it's a little confusing because you're going to

[2:44:05] Voice 3: direct the formation of the commission or inform the creation of the commission or some other

[2:44:11] Voice 3: bureaucratic sounding piece but the way this is worded is that your board would be responsible

[2:44:16] Voice 3: for being the commission does that make sense yeah this was worded when i didn't know we could

[2:44:20] Voice 3: even do a question right i

[2:44:22] Voice 4: mean that's what so for the chair it's sufficient for our purposes

[2:44:27] Voice 4: to to just have that we're requesting us to explore the feasibility of establishing a

[2:44:32] Voice 4: community arts commission we understand based on the minutes that are captured in the discussion

[2:44:36] Voice 4: here that we need to touch on nomination appointments of agencies and organizations

[2:44:41] Voice 4: so that's enough if it's just that direction and there's over there so

[2:44:47] Trustee Langereis: what's your emotion uh you

[2:44:48] Trustee Langereis: are you content to appreciate it at the end of the community heritage commission yeah i mean that's

[2:44:56] Trustee Langereis: effectively what the planner has indicated that we've just moved stopped the motion at community

[2:45:05] Voice 4: We will be reporting back anyway on the nomination process, if that's your option, and then speaking

[2:45:12] Voice 4: directly to the museum membership.

[2:45:14] Voice 4: So then we would get that report, then we'd have to ask for another,

[2:45:19] Voice 4: or we can then just

[2:45:21] Voice 4: do a motion.

[2:45:22] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:45:23] Voice 4: If it's feasible.

[2:45:24] Voice 4: You might be able to make appointments.

[2:45:25] Voice 4: Yep.

[2:45:26] Voice 4: At that point in time.

[2:45:28] Voice 3: And this will be informed by the heritage overlay mapping and some of the other work

[2:45:31] Voice 3: that's going on within the reconciliation actions in the broader trust right that would all be

[2:45:37] Trustee Langereis: information that we could for

[2:45:38] Voice 3: sure yeah because this could be really helpful for other ltc's and

[2:45:41] Voice 3: just across the trust and what this could look like um so i think leaving it a little bit more

[2:45:46] Voice 3: general without that second piece would actually be helpful

[2:45:49] Voice 4: good with that okay i'm fine with that

[2:45:53] Voice 4: okay so let's

[2:45:54] Voice 4: let's i'll take it

[2:45:55] Trustee Langereis: i'll take the that as a friendly amendment even though it's

[2:45:59] Trustee Langereis: on the table that we'll all agree that that can be amended by ending in the sentence after a

[2:46:04] Trustee Langereis: heritage commission uh so that's on the table that's removed and second is there any further

[2:46:08] Trustee Langereis: discussion and all favors that passes unanimously so hopefully um we'll

[2:46:14] Voice 4: see something worth of words

[2:46:15] Trustee Langereis: well hopefully i think i think it's clear everybody would like to see this work in a way

[2:46:20] Trustee Langereis: that's not very technical uh and uh could allow other people to do this very good work and just be

[2:46:28] Trustee Langereis: and advisory committee to the the board and i appreciated the fact that they were opening space

[2:46:32] Trustee Langereis: for those to sit on whatever commission they set up uh class coward did you rpm garden you just

[2:46:40] Trustee Langereis: sort of popped up on my screen did you have something you wanted to say nope

[2:46:43] Voice 1: i'm not sure

[2:46:44] Voice 1: why i did oh

[2:46:46] Trustee Langereis: not you your name is so i thought you wanted something okay

[2:46:50] Trustee Langereis: okay so thank you uh

[2:46:53] Trustee Langereis: uh thanks for coming nice to meet some of you and see some of you again um okay so the next item on

[2:47:01] Trustee Langereis: our dead are you off um yes

[2:47:04] Voice 4: not notwithstanding the great interest we're going to be done we're

[2:47:10] Voice 4: going to be done

[2:47:10] Trustee Langereis: in about 10 minutes but anyway yeah thank you very much thank

[2:47:13] Trustee Langereis: you great to see

[2:47:18] Trustee Langereis: um uh annual report there's a staff report related to that at page 52 are there any amendments that

[2:47:25] Trustee Langereis: anybody or concerns anybody has with the annual report proposed language the bc government should

[2:47:32] Voice 3: provide more funding to local governments and agencies to do all the reports sorry that's my

[2:47:40] Trustee Langereis: only comment yes they should i i my only comment is i i cannot i've spent four years six years

[2:47:49] Trustee Langereis: trying to talk staff into spending less time and putting this document together but

[2:47:54] Trustee Langereis: they don't want to and i appreciate the fact that it ends up in the house so anyway is there any

[2:48:00] Trustee Langereis: content that no anybody doesn't disagrees with because i'll make that motion i'll

[2:48:07] Voice 3: move that the

[2:48:07] Voice 3: gabriel and local trust committee endorsed the following text for inclusion of the 2021-22 and

[2:48:12] Voice 3: a report for google island's trust council submission to the minister of municipal affairs

[2:48:15] Voice 3: okay

[2:48:16] Trustee Langereis: so now we're into section 12 uh anybody wish to uh report on any climate change

[2:48:27] Trustee Langereis: uh action update uh on gabriel uh no no i'll just say um one thing i'll just say is

[2:48:37] Trustee Langereis: is I attended the Salish Sea Conference,

[2:48:42] Trustee Langereis: Conference Salish Sea Eco-Conference is what it's called.

[2:48:45] Trustee Langereis: I knew it was worth it.

[2:48:46] Trustee Langereis: And if you've never had a chance to go, go sometime.

[2:48:48] Trustee Langereis: It was virtual this year, which was perfect,

[2:48:50] Trustee Langereis: because it was only 50 bucks,

[2:48:52] Trustee Langereis: and you could do it in your own little space.

[2:48:56] Trustee Langereis: And it is the most amazing collection of academics

[2:49:00] Trustee Langereis: and activists and First Nations, et cetera.

[2:49:04] Trustee Langereis: and it's both highly depressing because you see the challenges that this area has from a marine

[2:49:13] Trustee Langereis: and eco protection point of view but it's also highly inspirational because there's so much

[2:49:19] Trustee Langereis: amazing work going on there were a couple of presentations by by tribe tribal groups and by

[2:49:26] Trustee Langereis: Musqueam nation and by Squamish nation by other groups around that were amazing in terms of the

[2:49:33] Trustee Langereis: work that they're doing so um if you get a chance to view any of the sessions because a lot of it

[2:49:40] Trustee Langereis: was recorded i think you can go back and watch it um you have to avoid the technical stuff because

[2:49:45] Trustee Langereis: some of the stuff is really technical um and it talks about how they design studies etc etc etc

[2:49:51] Trustee Langereis: but a lot of it is practical and it's actually just inspirational to see what's going on

[2:49:56] Trustee Langereis: so i'll just say that there's a lot of work going on yeah

[2:50:00] Voice 3: and the guardian did a big piece this week

[2:50:02] Voice 3: become sort of new energy products, Shell, BP, Canada,

[2:50:07] Voice 3: Australia, especially.

[2:50:09] Voice 3: The scale of those new oil and gas exploration,

[2:50:11] Voice 3: the problem is those dwarf what we're

[2:50:14] Voice 3: doing at the local and regional level.

[2:50:15] Voice 3: And that I was shocked at the scale of the new projects that

[2:50:20] Voice 3: are coming along, because they know

[2:50:21] Voice 3: that we can't raise the temperature anymore.

[2:50:23] Voice 3: We need that pressure.

[2:50:24] Voice 3: We need to change the global level,

[2:50:26] Voice 3: but the federal and worldwide governments

[2:50:28] Voice 3: need to change the world, because that just superimposes

[2:50:31] Voice 3: is a super tank level all the changes

[2:50:33] Trustee Langereis: that we're all making right thank you yeah

[2:50:36] Voice 7: uh does anybody

[2:50:38] Trustee Langereis: wish to report anything further on first nations relationship building anything any luck with

[2:50:43] Trustee Langereis: getting sort of go ahead okay

[2:50:45] Voice 4: okay

[2:50:47] Trustee Langereis: just as i told you that if if it's on a date that i can't make

[2:50:53] Trustee Langereis: chair luck on this quite keen to come so uh if you find a time then that way

[2:50:58] Trustee Langereis: i was going to say i think it was the museum that you were aware of if

[2:51:04] Voice 4: we have a trust

[2:51:05] Trustee Langereis: conservancy report here uh anything rising from from that that anybody wishes to raise

[2:51:11] Trustee Langereis: no uh we have the applications report um anything from you we're

[2:51:18] Voice 4: busy you're busy

[2:51:25] Trustee Langereis: the only

[2:51:26] Voice 4: one I sort of

[2:51:27] Trustee Langereis: have a sort of thinking in my brain as to sort of what the rest of this

[2:51:31] Trustee Langereis: term is going to look like we have four potentially five depending on whether there's something

[2:51:37] Trustee Langereis: urgent that needs to be done in October because I think we have one scheduled in October we have

[2:51:41] Trustee Langereis: June, July, September well there are only four there are only four potential meetings is I'm

[2:51:49] Trustee Langereis: wondering what if there's any large applications that are out there that may come back to us

[2:51:54] Trustee Langereis: before the end of this term i was thinking of the whether is there anything pending related to the

[2:52:00] Trustee Langereis: marina or is that sort of that's not that's not not going to come this term whatever it is that's

[2:52:07] Trustee Langereis: going on down there and you'll be

[2:52:09] Trustee Langereis: granted the development permits for that area they're

[2:52:11] Voice 4: operating that they're building from yeah but there's

[2:52:13] Voice 4: no permit required so

[2:52:17] Trustee Langereis: it doesn't sound

[2:52:21] Trustee Langereis: like i mean there's a few things out there but and i saw something happen i saw that the acorn island

[2:52:26] Trustee Langereis: thing was was uh uh finalized because i assume the heritage of paris the archaeological branch

[2:52:34] Trustee Langereis: reports came back etc etc so that's all been finalized great um so it was my one objective

[2:52:42] Trustee Langereis: is to get to Acorn Island.

[2:52:45] Trustee Langereis: Maybe I'll have to bring my boat over one of these trips

[2:52:50] Trustee Langereis: and go to Acorn Island.

[2:52:51] Voice 4: That's a great idea.

[2:52:52] Trustee Langereis: Field trip.

[2:52:53] Trustee Langereis: I think that maybe we should have one of our meetings

[2:52:55] Trustee Langereis: on my boat.

[2:52:56] Voice 4: We can tie a little tent on Sunday.

[2:52:58] Voice 4: It's quite close.

[2:53:00] Trustee Langereis: Right, I could bring it over and bring it.

[2:53:04] Trustee Langereis: It's actually probably only an hour and 10 minutes

[2:53:07] Trustee Langereis: from Keats to here on a nice calm day.

[2:53:11] Trustee Langereis: So it's not that far.

[2:53:11] Trustee Langereis: i'm going to put that on my agenda um anything further from trustees related to any of the

[2:53:16] Trustee Langereis: applications no nothing uh then the next item is uh the expense report that isn't here came in

[2:53:23] Trustee Langereis: i saw it come on by email this morning uh nothing on the adopted policies and standing resolutions

[2:53:30] Trustee Langereis: uh do you want to have a brief discussion about whether where we're at in terms of top priorities

[2:53:35] Trustee Langereis: and whether we know the two things the episode we had that discussion with the rpm and the density

[2:53:42] Trustee Langereis: donation is there anything else related to that or the projects no just we added a piece of work

[2:53:48] Trustee Langereis: in terms of

[2:53:48] Voice 3: right is not a project so thank you for not uh you don't need to make it okay

[2:53:56] Trustee Langereis: uh well

[2:53:58] Trustee Langereis: then that's the end of the agenda is there anything else i just want to confirm with everybody

[2:54:04] Trustee Langereis: that the intention is to have the meeting at 4 p.m in june is that

[2:54:08] Trustee Langereis: still the intention of the

[2:54:10] Trustee Langereis: trustees yes because i will that means i probably will come and as long as i can still be on the

[2:54:17] Trustee Langereis: late ferry at 10 o'clock out of the night you know presuming it's not really really late otherwise i

[2:54:23] Trustee Langereis: have to stay over um

[2:54:25] Voice 4: no no no

[2:54:28] Trustee Langereis: we've got to get our work done we haven't

[2:54:30] Trustee Langereis: been doing that anyway

[2:54:31] Trustee Langereis: Anyway, if there's nothing else from any of the planners,

[2:54:34] Trustee Langereis: thank you, RPM Power for joining us.

[2:54:36] Trustee Langereis: Thank you, those online.

[2:54:38] Trustee Langereis: We are going to adjourn at 1.30

[2:54:41] Trustee Langereis: and appreciate everybody's attention and attendance.

[2:54:45] Trustee Langereis: And we'll see you at 4 p.m.

[2:54:49] Trustee Langereis: And everybody, just so anybody watching,

[2:54:51] Trustee Langereis: that the meeting will be at that time on June the 16th,

[2:54:58] Trustee Langereis: as opposed to our usual time to it,

[2:54:59] Trustee Langereis: would hopefully attract more people thank you everyone bye-bye chair

[2:55:05] Voice 4: rogers there's a ferry

[2:55:06] Voice 4: departing asap if you think you're packing from the side there's

[2:55:10] Trustee Langereis: 215 is the one i was thinking

[2:55:12] Trustee Langereis: no

[2:55:12] Voice 4: no

[2:55:14] Trustee Langereis: i'll be fine on 215 gets me to the 340 the 320 i

[2:55:19] Voice 4: just noticed it's loading and

[2:55:22] Trustee Langereis: it's going to take