Denman Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 18, 2022

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[0:00:00] Trustee Busheikin: okay great thank you okay so um i want to welcome everyone uh to the regional planning

[0:00:07] Trustee Busheikin: committee meeting of may 18th and uh start well i'll call the meeting to order and the first thing

[0:00:13] Trustee Busheikin: i'll do is acknowledge that we're meeting on the uh traditional treaty and unceded territories of

[0:00:20] Trustee Busheikin: many first nations uh we're all spread out around the salish sea area and that we are respectful of

[0:00:28] Trustee Busheikin: that and very grateful to be able to live here and and work here and play here uh so i want to

[0:00:36] Trustee Busheikin: welcome everyone uh to the meeting and we have an agenda before us are there any suggested

[0:00:44] Trustee Busheikin: changes to the agenda hello yeah hi hi

[0:00:51] Voice 15: it's uh scott coburn here um i i was hoping to see the

[0:00:55] Voice 15: request for decision for the housing authority type entity on the agenda and i'd like it to be

[0:01:00] Voice 15: added as a discussion topic at least just to get an update on where that's at that

[0:01:05] Trustee Busheikin: sounds good um

[0:01:06] Trustee Busheikin: there was a little bit of emailing i think about that but i don't know if it went to the whole

[0:01:09] Trustee Busheikin: group um maybe we could just put that under new business um sheriff

[0:01:17] Voice 26: i may it does appear under

[0:01:19] Voice 26: the follow-up action list and director marley will

[0:01:22] Voice 26: speak to it at that point

[0:01:23] Trustee Busheikin: that's actually

[0:01:24] Trustee Busheikin: good because that's closer to the top of the meeting um perfect okay um and um i'm gonna

[0:01:31] Trustee Busheikin: suggest that people use electronic hands because there's quite a few people so um and if you know

[0:01:39] Trustee Busheikin: if you're on the phone and if i don't see your electronic hand don't be um shy about just using

[0:01:45] Trustee Busheikin: your voice the way trustee colburn did to get my attention any other um suggestions for the agenda

[0:01:53] Trustee Busheikin: okay then i will take it by general consent that we approve the agenda good thank you um public

[0:02:01] Trustee Busheikin: comment period is next i don't believe we have any members of the public here uh so we will carry on

[0:02:09] Trustee Busheikin: with that uh so the next item we don't have delegation so correspondence uh this is um

[0:02:18] Trustee Busheikin: quite a lengthy correspondence from a Denman resident.

[0:02:23] Trustee Busheikin: Is there any staff member

[0:02:25] Trustee Busheikin: who has any introductory words about this?

[0:02:31] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, not hearing anyone.

[0:02:32] Trustee Busheikin: I'll just say a few words

[0:02:33] Trustee Busheikin: because this did come kind of via

[0:02:36] Trustee Busheikin: the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[0:02:37] Trustee Busheikin: and then it went to executive

[0:02:40] Trustee Busheikin: and now it's come back to us.

[0:02:44] Trustee Busheikin: Does anyone want to,

[0:02:47] Trustee Busheikin: Are there any comments or any action

[0:02:48] Voice 5: proposed on this?

[0:02:50] Voice 5: Trustee Colburn, go ahead.

[0:02:54] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:02:56] Voice 15: I think some of the actions are, again, things that we'll discuss later on the agenda, and I hope throughout the remainder of this term and into the future.

[0:03:04] Voice 15: This is a blind spot the trust has, and there's very much sort of an anti-scientific, anti-planning practice argument that pits environment versus housing in some sort of, you know, one or the other.

[0:03:15] Voice 15: And it's just such a it's such a shame that we're not able to discuss this in a or we're able to take action on this in a way that kind of looks at interconnected solutions and really talks about ecosystems and and the rights and responsibilities on islands in terms of First Nations input.

[0:03:37] Voice 15: and it's really the most difficult thing

[0:03:42] Voice 15: about this difficult term has been the lack of action.

[0:03:45] Voice 15: And it's unfortunately plain on this agenda

[0:03:49] Voice 15: where the things are getting done or not done.

[0:03:53] Voice 15: And it's something I think we need to pay special attention

[0:03:56] Voice 15: to in the remaining months of this term.

[0:03:58] Voice 15: I found a lot of the points this letter writer made

[0:04:01] Voice 15: very strong points and connected it to international.

[0:04:05] Voice 15: So it's not just local, it's not just,

[0:04:06] Voice 15: These are international issues. These are national issues. These are regional issues. It's everyone's responsibility to take some part in finding solutions that both protect the environment and the equity and rights of all the people, all the humans in British Columbia.

[0:04:23] Voice 15: So I hope we take action on this

[0:04:27] Voice 15: in terms of not just the specific things

[0:04:30] Voice 15: that the letter writer puts,

[0:04:31] Voice 15: but in the projects that we've already started

[0:04:33] Voice 15: and that we finish up some of those

[0:04:35] Voice 15: or take the first steps that are badly needed.

[0:04:39] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:04:41] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Stamford.

[0:04:43] Voice 30: Yes, thank you, Chair.

[0:04:45] Voice 30: Can everybody hear me?

[0:04:46] Voice 30: Yes.

[0:04:47] Voice 30: Okay.

[0:04:48] Voice 30: Yeah, we're having challenges in the house sound right now.

[0:04:51] Voice 30: um i i agree with trustee colburn i'm just seeing all the issues um put together in this letter

[0:04:59] Voice 30: again um really wonderfully going from the local to the international i don't know where the islands

[0:05:08] Voice 30: trust fits in this but i don't think we can be in a position just to ignore it and and that seems to

[0:05:15] Voice 30: to be a part of the arguments that we're looking at

[0:05:19] Voice 30: is by not acknowledging it, it somehow will go away.

[0:05:25] Voice 30: And this really shows how complex it is.

[0:05:29] Voice 30: I agree, we need to find some way to work through this.

[0:05:33] Voice 30: I'm not sure we can address everything,

[0:05:36] Voice 30: but at least have an appropriate stance

[0:05:39] Voice 30: to be able to respond to one of the most complex issues

[0:05:43] Voice 30: that isn't just in the islands, but in British Columbia, Canada, and globally, really.

[0:05:48] Voice 30: So it's just so important the way this is being laid out.

[0:05:53] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:05:54] Trustee Busheikin: And I put myself on the speaker's list.

[0:05:56] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to try and use my hand to be clear when I'm speaking as a chair or as a speaker.

[0:06:02] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm a speaker now.

[0:06:03] Trustee Busheikin: And yeah, I agree.

[0:06:05] Trustee Busheikin: I think that there's a lot here and a lot to sort through.

[0:06:10] Trustee Busheikin: through there's you know many things I think in here that are not that pertinent that we're not

[0:06:18] Trustee Busheikin: they're all pertinent but there's you know it would take a lot of work but it'd be very useful

[0:06:23] Trustee Busheikin: to go through this and sort out what is core to the islands trust and what isn't what we can do

[0:06:28] Trustee Busheikin: what we are doing what we need to do better and also there's a something a piece in here about

[0:06:34] Trustee Busheikin: sort of an overall awareness that like as we've been doing with reconciliation

[0:06:38] Trustee Busheikin: reconciliation, and are in the, you know, still very early stages of doing really, but that it

[0:06:44] Trustee Busheikin: threads through all our work, it becomes an awareness, because even if we think we are not

[0:06:51] Trustee Busheikin: in charge of housing, which I would agree, we're not in charge of housing, every decision about

[0:06:57] Trustee Busheikin: what people can build or not build, and how they build it is going to impact the housing situation

[0:07:04] Trustee Busheikin: one way or the other and of course we do as it points out and I did go and look at the

[0:07:10] Trustee Busheikin: National Housing Strategy Act in some detail and the International UN Housing Declaration on the

[0:07:18] Trustee Busheikin: Rights of Housing. It is incumbent on all levels of government and all public agencies to take this

[0:07:26] Trustee Busheikin: seriously. So I am you know there's a discussion of action and I think that I would like to see

[0:07:33] Trustee Busheikin: that we take some action on this letter otherwise all we've done is talk um so um and I'll take the

[0:07:43] Trustee Busheikin: next speaker in a minute maybe before I put any motion on the floor but just so that you know

[0:07:47] Trustee Busheikin: where I'm heading I would like to see this letter um and I'm not sure maybe you could ask staff like

[0:07:54] Trustee Busheikin: if we had a director of planning I would forward it to the director of planning um with a request

[0:08:01] Trustee Busheikin: West that it be considered, I don't have the wording, but that key information about housing

[0:08:12] Trustee Busheikin: as a human right be shared with planners and incorporated into planning work. And I know

[0:08:23] Trustee Busheikin: that's a big, vague ask, but at the very least, people should read it, like staff should read it,

[0:08:28] Trustee Busheikin: all trustees should read it and be aware of it and someone should really start thinking about

[0:08:33] Trustee Busheikin: how this fits into our housing work so that would be one action and another one which is more

[0:08:38] Trustee Busheikin: specific is to forward it to the manager of bylaw enforcement there are two suggested actions four

[0:08:46] Trustee Busheikin: and five that have to do with bylaw enforcement and i think that um if at this point i'm not ready

[0:08:52] Trustee Busheikin: to put a motion on the floor that we, you know, we must do this, but I'd like to make

[0:08:59] Trustee Busheikin: the file enforcement manager aware of it. And one is, well, familiarizing himself with the

[0:09:08] Trustee Busheikin: national protocol for homeless encampments in Canada. I don't think that's a big threat on

[0:09:13] Trustee Busheikin: the islands because people, homeless people just camp out in the woods, in my experience.

[0:09:17] Trustee Busheikin: um and the other one is the uh trauma-informed practice training for bylaw enforcement staff

[0:09:24] Trustee Busheikin: which um is they already do training to the justice institute justice institute has training

[0:09:31] Trustee Busheikin: on that and it um is increasingly being seen as a really positive uh and important piece of

[0:09:38] Trustee Busheikin: training and knowledge so those are the two things i actual actions i'd like to do

[0:09:43] Trustee Busheikin: um and i see david marler's hand up i'm not sure if you're here as a planning director or

[0:09:50] Trustee Busheikin: legislative services director but if you're responding specifically to my suggestions i'll

[0:09:55] Trustee Busheikin: invite you to speak and if it's more of a general comment i'll go through so david yeah thank you

[0:10:02] Voice 2: so i do have my planning director hat on uh so just listening um so yeah my concern about just

[0:10:11] Voice 2: sending a letter from one person to the staff and saying consider this kind of is a bit problematic

[0:10:19] Voice 2: for me because the staff do consider um based on the policy of council the policy of um you know

[0:10:29] Voice 2: what we're being asked to do so i think this really needs to be directed to the political

[0:10:34] Voice 2: And from that, is there some direction to staff that needs to be changed?

[0:10:42] Voice 2: So, for example, if you would like staff to incorporate housing more into staff reports, for example, then that could be something council could consider as a policy.

[0:10:54] Voice 2: This is something we would like to see more of.

[0:10:57] Voice 2: Right now, the direction to staff comes from the Allen's Trust policy statement.

[0:11:04] Voice 2: and as of now that isn't in there so really that I think is where it needs to go maybe

[0:11:11] Voice 2: Ireland's 2050 is where they should go to or to trust council with some request of council

[0:11:18] Voice 2: to do something with respect to this particular document so that that's you know I mean we could

[0:11:26] Voice 2: circulate that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything with it other than just you know this

[0:11:30] Voice 2: is something that was written to the regional planning committee just wanting to be aware of it

[0:11:35] Voice 2: that's about as far as it goes went directly to staff

[0:11:38] Voice 14: okay um okay thanks um i'll keep that in

[0:11:48] Voice 14: mind uh trustee patrick and then wolverton let me just turn my view off

[0:12:03] Voice 14: not hearing you very well trustee

[0:12:20] Trustee Busheikin: patrick are you oh yeah she's getting a headset on

[0:12:23] Voice 27: all right can you hear me now oh so much

[0:12:26] Voice 27: better all right sorry i that's i have to be on this

[0:12:29] Voice 27: computer when the power is out and it systems work ouch very poorly um okay on the rfd that

[0:12:37] Voice 27: we'll be talking about later one of the bullets are is exactly recognizing housing as a human right

[0:12:43] Voice 27: um and it is something that we have to absolutely embrace uh yesterday in salt spring i tried a

[0:12:51] Voice 27: different tact and i think it landed with some people i said every spring all over our island

[0:12:56] Voice 27: we have signs cut broom and bloom and i think you probably have those signs on your your islands too

[0:13:01] Voice 27: well do your people on your island go gee invasive species are happening everywhere in the world so

[0:13:06] Voice 27: let's not do it here no we go out there and we cut the invasive species out because they're harming

[0:13:12] Voice 27: our our ecosystems and our environments here on the island but when it comes to affordable housing

[0:13:16] Voice 27: everyone goes oh this is happening everywhere around the world so we don't have to address it

[0:13:21] Voice 27: here well it's hurting the fabric of the ecosystems of our islands so we have to stop you know looking

[0:13:28] Voice 27: at these issues like that and just embrace these issues as they face our islands and this is

[0:13:33] Voice 27: fundamental so uh if this has to be islands 2050 and that discussion i think it's more than you

[0:13:40] Voice 27: know if that's where it is that's where it is uh but um i'll let you decide that

[0:13:48] Voice 27: okay uh trustee wolverton okay

[0:13:52] Voice 28: um i i found the the um the paper quite interesting and with lots

[0:13:59] Voice 28: of good points uh in some ways i wish we had had this two years ago you know it might have um we

[0:14:05] Voice 28: might have had different discussions in trust council had we had that um but i it would help

[0:14:12] Voice 28: I think if trustees had a look at it, but if it was really condensed, it's a little bit repetitive.

[0:14:20] Voice 28: And so if someone could take on the task of editing this, I think it would be fantastic.

[0:14:27] Voice 28: Because I think there is a lot that we need to be, as Trustee Colburn said, we need to start moving on these things and making sure that they are part of our agendas.

[0:14:40] Voice 28: Thank you.

[0:14:41] Voice 28: Okay

[0:14:43] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Stamford and Trustee Patrick is your hand up again to speak?

[0:14:50] Voice 14: Nope okay go ahead.

[0:14:52] Voice 30: Okay thank you um actually if it is going to go to the wider uh trustees

[0:14:58] Voice 30: I would not be comfortable having anyone edit it if they find it repetitive they can skip those bits

[0:15:05] Voice 30: um uh I never want to edit somebody's uh a private citizen's um letter so I prefer to see it go out

[0:15:14] Voice 30: as is okay

[0:15:18] Trustee Busheikin: um so i think that a motion um to forward it to all trustees um would be called for

[0:15:28] Trustee Busheikin: um and then also i guess putting myself on the speaker's list i there's a i mean it it's hard

[0:15:35] Trustee Busheikin: to figure out exactly what to do and what the right thing is to do but sometimes i think that's

[0:15:39] Trustee Busheikin: not a good enough reason not to do anything i you know and maybe we just need a minute i would

[0:15:46] Trustee Busheikin: I would forward this to TPC, and I would imagine that it wouldn't be the only response, but I could imagine a policy in the policy statement around recognizing housing as a human right, and in particular referencing the UN and the Canadian legislation,

[0:16:09] Trustee Busheikin: much as we do with UNDRIP and DRIPA and the calls to action for the Truth and Reconciliation

[0:16:18] Trustee Busheikin: Committee. This is similar, and that is, I think, appropriate as overarching policy and how that

[0:16:25] Trustee Busheikin: would then enact itself would be a very big and open question, but it would be there. So I would

[0:16:33] Trustee Busheikin: would be willing to put that kind of motion on the table.

[0:16:36] Trustee Busheikin: I don't know who we have here from Trust Programs Committee

[0:16:40] Trustee Busheikin: that could speak to if that's a valid approach

[0:16:45] Trustee Busheikin: from that point of view.

[0:16:47] Trustee Busheikin: So let's just keep this discussion going a few more minutes.

[0:16:50] Trustee Busheikin: I think we're working towards a few decisions to make

[0:16:53] Trustee Busheikin: and I think that's great.

[0:16:54] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Colburn.

[0:16:55] Voice 15: Housing is a right was in the policy statement draft

[0:16:58] Voice 15: from the Housing Working Group.

[0:17:00] Voice 15: It was edited out.

[0:17:01] Voice 15: oh

[0:17:02] Voice 6: okay

[0:17:04] Voice 15: the processes structures and policy statement are not adequate we're not responding

[0:17:12] Voice 15: in an equitable way in a scientific way to the data to the issues that are in front of us

[0:17:18] Voice 15: and it's happening i'm sorry director marler it's happening at every part of the trust

[0:17:24] Voice 15: trust um and that's a problem so i absolutely this should go to the political body the political

[0:17:33] Voice 15: body is responsible for this mess the political body has to change the way we're making decisions

[0:17:39] Voice 15: and put science back in discussion put long-term planning back in the discussion and to put

[0:17:46] Voice 15: the the the conditions of the islands and and the communities and the ecosystems back

[0:17:53] Voice 15: back at the forefront. I'm really upset to hear housing is a right should be in there. It was in

[0:18:01] Voice 15: there. And this was a stronger document at certain points throughout in the way that we respond to

[0:18:08] Voice 15: this. So I'm in favor of sending this to all trustees, sending this to the 2050 discussion.

[0:18:13] Voice 15: I'm preparing a paper just going through the United Nations Qualified Science Gap Emissions

[0:18:20] Voice 15: reports and looking what they say about long-term planning for the last 11 years because the data

[0:18:27] Voice 15: is is pretty overwhelming that we're making a huge mess of this so i i just wanted to point

[0:18:33] Voice 15: that out if from a trust programs from the working groups from all the policy statement work

[0:18:37] Voice 15: this stuff was in there and at various parts of this it was removed and if we remove more of it

[0:18:45] Voice 15: in in the remainder of this term we will have failed as a council okay thank

[0:18:53] Trustee Busheikin: you um anyone else

[0:18:59] Trustee Busheikin: okay and and people please remember to take your hands down afterwards um so um is anyone going to

[0:19:07] Trustee Busheikin: make a motion of any kind because i will if no one else will i'm just going to pause for a breath

[0:19:15] Trustee Busheikin: or two so people can think about that because we've had a few people saying they would like to

[0:19:19] Voice 14: to do certain things.

[0:19:27] Voice 14: Okay, I'm gonna then

[0:19:29] Trustee Busheikin: go ahead and make a motion.

[0:19:30] Trustee Busheikin: So I am going to move that

[0:19:33] Trustee Busheikin: the Regional Planning Committee forward

[0:19:37] Trustee Busheikin: the correspondence from Rianne Da Silva

[0:19:43] Trustee Busheikin: regarding housing as a human right to all trustees.

[0:19:51] Trustee Busheikin: Is anyone, okay, I see that seconded by Trustee Wolverton.

[0:19:55] Trustee Busheikin: I'll just make sure that the minute taker had time to catch that.

[0:20:04] Voice 26: Yes, I have.

[0:20:05] Voice 26: Did you want to see it on the screen?

[0:20:07] Trustee Busheikin: I think it's pretty simple.

[0:20:08] Trustee Busheikin: Does anyone need to see it?

[0:20:10] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[0:20:10] Trustee Busheikin: Any further discussion?

[0:20:13] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[0:20:13] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to call the question, so please use your electronic hand.

[0:20:19] Trustee Busheikin: I'm just like, how do I remember how to do that?

[0:20:30] Trustee Busheikin: Sorry.

[0:20:30] Trustee Busheikin: Sorry, I'm having like a bad moment here

[0:20:34] Trustee Busheikin: where I can't figure out how to raise my electronic hand.

[0:20:39] Voice 19: Raise hand at the bottom of the screen.

[0:20:41] Voice 19: Oh, really?

[0:20:42] Trustee Busheikin: That raises my, okay, of course it does.

[0:20:43] Trustee Busheikin: I somehow thought there were separate voting hands.

[0:20:48] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, no, thank you.

[0:20:50] Trustee Busheikin: I guess I haven't done this in a while.

[0:20:52] Trustee Busheikin: So we, okay, that's it.

[0:20:53] Trustee Busheikin: So we're seeing seven in favor.

[0:20:56] Trustee Busheikin: So let's take our hat.

[0:20:59] Trustee Busheikin: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven in favor.

[0:21:00] Trustee Busheikin: Let's take our hands down.

[0:21:02] Trustee Busheikin: and uh anyone voting against this motion okay i'm not seeing any so motion carries thank you

[0:21:14] Trustee Busheikin: um and i uh unless someone else wants to i'm going to chair

[0:21:21] Voice 15: could i could i just i was going

[0:21:23] Voice 15: to add something just to the motion um to forward this to the 2050 engagement process sure can you

[0:21:31] Trustee Busheikin: make that as a separate motion and if you have any particular recommendation other than just

[0:21:35] Trustee Busheikin: forwarding it for information you can add that but

[0:21:39] Voice 15: you don't I was I was just going to forward

[0:21:41] Voice 15: it for information so if if that has to be a motion I move that the trust regional planning

[0:21:48] Voice 15: committee forward this correspondence to the 2050 engagement team okay

[0:21:56] Trustee Busheikin: any seconders yep

[0:21:59] Trustee Busheikin: seconded by Trustee Wolverton. Just for discussion, I have a question. You know,

[0:22:07] Trustee Busheikin: I would contemplate making a recommendation that the ITPS draft be amended by adding

[0:22:15] Trustee Busheikin: a policy recognizing housing as a human right and referencing the UNDRAH and the Canadian

[0:22:28] Trustee Busheikin: and National Housing Strategy Act.

[0:22:32] Trustee Busheikin: Is that, in your mind, not helpful or too directive?

[0:22:38] Trustee Busheikin: Because you're on that committee.

[0:22:42] Trustee Busheikin: That's a question.

[0:22:43] Trustee Busheikin: Well, for Trustee Colburn or anyone else that's on that committee,

[0:22:46] Trustee Busheikin: and I see Peter Lacombe, so please go ahead, Peter.

[0:22:50] Voice 19: Yeah, you know, I think certainly this is a very worthy document

[0:22:57] Voice 19: and certainly requires attention.

[0:23:03] Voice 19: The 2050 and TPC and executive committee,

[0:23:08] Voice 19: if they haven't seen it already,

[0:23:09] Voice 19: will see it by the motion that was conducted here before,

[0:23:12] Voice 19: and certainly is forwarding it to 2050.

[0:23:15] Voice 19: All information received through the 2050 program

[0:23:18] Voice 19: will end up being distilled with recommendations for TPC.

[0:23:23] Voice 19: And so I think as an autonomous body,

[0:23:25] Voice 19: TPC is gonna have this same reaction,

[0:23:29] Voice 19: and this letter will have the same impact upon them

[0:23:31] Voice 19: as it has you, you can't ignore this as what has been said.

[0:23:36] Voice 19: And so I anticipate fully that consideration

[0:23:39] Voice 19: will be given to that.

[0:23:43] Voice 19: And then that recommendation from GPC would come to council

[0:23:47] Voice 19: and it'll move through our process in the normal way.

[0:23:51] Voice 19: So I don't know that we need to overthink it too much.

[0:23:54] Voice 27: Okay, Mr. Patrick.

[0:23:56] Voice 27: well except if trustee colburn said that that was there and they cut it out maybe having this

[0:24:03] Voice 27: this committee make that recommendation they'll listen to it um because you know that certainly

[0:24:08] Voice 27: was not a decision went to trust council we didn't get to participate in in hearing that that

[0:24:13] Voice 27: was in a draft that got removed so i would support amending the motion and if you want me to make

[0:24:18] Voice 27: that i i will um

[0:24:21] Voice 6: add

[0:24:24] Voice 27: that um yeah you can go ahead sure i moved to amend the motion that we that the

[0:24:33] Voice 27: specific i don't know how you want to say that that we recommend that

[0:24:39] Voice 27: policies recognizing housing as a human right be added to the trust policy statement okay

[0:24:46] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so maybe we should get the motion

[0:24:50] Trustee Busheikin: up in front of us now.

[0:24:51] Trustee Busheikin: So we have an original motion.

[0:24:54] Trustee Busheikin: We have a motion to amend.

[0:24:55] Trustee Busheikin: Do we have a seconder for the motion to amend?

[0:24:58] Trustee Busheikin: Peter Luckham, I think your hand is up from before.

[0:25:00] Trustee Busheikin: You're not seconding the amendment motion.

[0:25:02] Trustee Busheikin: Is anyone gonna second the amendment motion?

[0:25:05] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Colburn will.

[0:25:06] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, any discussion, any further discussion

[0:25:10] Trustee Busheikin: on the motion to amend?

[0:25:12] Trustee Busheikin: Let's just see the

[0:25:15] Voice 14: motion, okay.

[0:25:20] Voice 14: let's just give this uh give robert a few minutes david

[0:25:29] Voice 12: here robert when you get a chance can you

[0:25:31] Voice 12: just make that a little bit bigger so i can read it thank you

[0:25:38] Voice 27: robert i think i said something about

[0:25:40] Voice 27: requesting that policies recognizing housing as a human right be added to the trust policy statement

[0:25:51] Voice 26: sorry um could you repeat that i was typing recommending

[0:25:55] Voice 27: so you're right where you were

[0:25:57] Voice 27: typing recommending that policies there you have that that recognize housing be added and then at

[0:26:04] Voice 27: the end be added to the trust policy statement is

[0:26:15] Voice 14: that accurate i

[0:26:18] Voice 27: believe so yeah

[0:26:20] Voice 2: can i just make a

[0:26:21] Voice 2: suggestion because this is an amendment to the previous um resolution uh could you just do it

[0:26:28] Voice 2: this way to amend uh the motion by adding and then put quotes and then and so and put the word and

[0:26:47] Voice 2: okay and then close the quotes after tps so that would make the resolution if this passes

[0:26:53] Voice 2: this would say that regional planning committee follows the january 22 2022 correspondence from

[0:26:59] Voice 2: from Rihanna DiFuselva regarding housing rights

[0:27:01] Voice 2: to Ireland's 2050 engagement team

[0:27:04] Voice 2: and recommend or recommending, maybe just recommend

[0:27:08] Voice 2: that policies that recognize housing as a human right

[0:27:10] Voice 2: be added to the TPS, okay.

[0:27:13] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, David and Laura for getting that together.

[0:27:18] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I mean, we discussed this quite a bit,

[0:27:20] Trustee Busheikin: but are there more discussion points?

[0:27:23] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I'm gonna call the, okay, go ahead,

[0:27:25] Trustee Busheikin: Mr. Longerice.

[0:27:27] Voice 23: Yeah, so now the regional planning committee

[0:27:29] Voice 23: is putting forward amendments to the engagement team so that means that we as individual trustees

[0:27:35] Voice 23: can also do the same to the engagement team i mean the trust programs committee is going to

[0:27:42] Voice 23: be reviewing the results i'm just not sure about the role of regional planning committee making a

[0:27:49] Voice 23: recommendation like this it's an open field now for everyone to put in whatever to the engagement

[0:27:57] Voice 23: team? Just a question.

[0:28:04] Trustee Busheikin: Well, I mean, as trustees at one point or several points, we have been

[0:28:08] Trustee Busheikin: asked to put in input from what I remember. And otherwise, we've also been asked or invited

[0:28:16] Trustee Busheikin: to give input via our LTC. So I think the practice of bodies of the Islands Trust

[0:28:26] Trustee Busheikin: in making these sorts of recommendations is established,

[0:28:30] Trustee Busheikin: but is there anyone from TPC or staff

[0:28:35] Trustee Busheikin: who have any further comments on this?

[0:28:39] Trustee Busheikin: David Marla, please go ahead.

[0:28:41] Voice 2: I'll take a go.

[0:28:42] Voice 2: Yeah, so committees of council or local trust committees

[0:28:47] Voice 2: all have the ability to make recommendations

[0:28:51] Voice 2: to trust council, the executive committee,

[0:28:54] Voice 2: committee or even other body that they feel are appropriate we often actually request that in our

[0:29:00] Voice 2: planning processes you'll see referrals from other local trust committees asking for feedback so I

[0:29:07] Voice 2: think it's pretty normal to do this so I don't see a problem with that I don't think it opens

[0:29:12] Voice 2: the door for individual trustees in any way I mean if an individual trustee would like to

[0:29:18] Voice 2: provide feedback I'm pretty sure the team will take that but right now this is actually a

[0:29:27] Voice 2: recommendation from the regional planning committee just going to the islands 2050 so

[0:29:34] Voice 2: that will just be taken into account and trust programs committee that will be reviewing the

[0:29:40] Voice 2: feedback at some point will have a look at it and make a decision as to how to how to recommend

[0:29:45] Voice 2: to council changes okay

[0:29:50] Trustee Busheikin: so not seeing any more hands i'm going to call the question

[0:29:54] Trustee Busheikin: on the amendment so if you're in favor of the amendment

[0:29:57] Voice 14: please raise your hand

[0:30:06] Voice 14: Okay. I'm seeing five in favor. So

[0:30:10] Trustee Busheikin: let's lower our hands and against.

[0:30:15] Voice 8: So I'm seeing

[0:30:18] Voice 8: two against. So the amendment

[0:30:23] Trustee Busheikin: carries. Thank you. And we're going to vote on the amended motion now,

[0:30:29] Trustee Busheikin: which is, if I'll read it out altogether, that regional planning committee for with the January

[0:30:35] Trustee Busheikin: January 22nd, 2022 correspondence from Rhianna Silva

[0:30:38] Trustee Busheikin: regarding human rights to the Island's 2050 engagement team

[0:30:42] Trustee Busheikin: and recommend the policies that recognize housing

[0:30:44] Trustee Busheikin: as a human right be added to the-

[0:30:50] Trustee Busheikin: So any, so that's been moved and seconded.

[0:30:52] Trustee Busheikin: Any further discussion?

[0:30:55] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I'm going to call the question.

[0:30:57] Trustee Busheikin: All in favor?

[0:31:01] Voice 5: Okay,

[0:31:02] Trustee Busheikin: seeing five in favor.

[0:31:05] Trustee Busheikin: Six in favor, I'll give it another,

[0:31:07] Trustee Busheikin: give it another breath or two of time.

[0:31:11] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, six in favor and against.

[0:31:14] Trustee Busheikin: So everyone lower your hand

[0:31:15] Trustee Busheikin: and if you're against, raise your hand.

[0:31:19] Trustee Busheikin: We have, I'll

[0:31:23] Voice 5: just give it another

[0:31:23] Trustee Busheikin: second or two.

[0:31:26] Trustee Busheikin: One against, so that motion carries.

[0:31:30] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:31:31] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:31:37] Voice 14: I mean, I'm gonna put another motion on the floor

[0:31:40] Voice 14: cause

[0:31:40] Voice 7: I feel like it isn't, yeah, I'll go ahead.

[0:31:49] Voice 7: I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to move that

[0:31:52] Trustee Busheikin: TPS forward the correspondence from Rhianna Silva to the manager of bylaw enforcement with a request to consider

[0:32:11] Voice 6: items

[0:32:16] Trustee Busheikin: four and five on page seven.

[0:32:23] Voice 5: Or perhaps let me reword that.

[0:32:27] Voice 5: uh with um no

[0:32:32] Trustee Busheikin: i think that's fine okay are you seconded seconding it tim or commenting

[0:32:37] Trustee Busheikin: no

[0:32:38] Voice 17: i just had a question for clarity yeah you i believe you said you're recommending

[0:32:44] Voice 17: recommending that tps for it um uh whoever we are rpc okay thank you yeah

[0:32:53] Trustee Busheikin: thank you for catching

[0:32:54] Trustee Busheikin: that um i haven't been on tps for a couple of terms uh so um yeah um i'm not seeing a seconder

[0:33:06] Trustee Busheikin: so maybe i see peter luckham's hand up but you're ex officio so you won't second and if no one else

[0:33:14] Trustee Busheikin: is going to second this we can just let it drop so not seeing it being seconded i mean go ahead

[0:33:21] Trustee Busheikin: ahead, Peter, if you want to comment, but.

[0:33:24] Voice 19: Well, only I think it's moot, but only that we don't

[0:33:28] Voice 19: normally, and I don't mean this to be offensive. We don't normally at committee micromanage or

[0:33:35] Voice 19: direct by law enforcement. And that it would be, I'm sure that the regional planning manager will,

[0:33:44] Voice 19: you know, I can't obviously, but I would anticipate that the regional planning manager

[0:33:49] Voice 19: manager might take all of this into consideration and he may choose to share it with his

[0:33:55] Voice 19: law enforcement staff but just concerned about that element of the political versus the management

[0:34:02] Voice 19: of staff okay

[0:34:05] Trustee Busheikin: i just because i did hear from the planning director that this is actually a

[0:34:08] Trustee Busheikin: political issue that needs political direction and that's why yeah that

[0:34:13] Trustee Busheikin: motion and you know i i at

[0:34:16] Trustee Busheikin: At one point, it came from, I believe it was this committee that gave direction to the

[0:34:24] Trustee Busheikin: bio-enforcement department to include training and communication and mediation skills at

[0:34:31] Trustee Busheikin: the Justice Institute.

[0:34:32] Trustee Busheikin: And that came as a direct, as direction from, I was either from council or this committee,

[0:34:43] Trustee Busheikin: and I think that's been followed since then.

[0:34:46] Trustee Busheikin: and so um and i don't i didn't mean it to be that directive this is really for consideration like

[0:34:52] Trustee Busheikin: just just so that he even is yeah just that's all so that's but i don't see any support for it so

[0:34:59] Trustee Busheikin: um i could always just chat with him informally about it uh david marler go ahead yeah thank you

[0:35:06] Voice 2: so that was my concern too that um i'm not sure that's the appropriate way to go i think a better

[0:35:13] Voice 2: a way is that staff take the direction through Trust Council's policy. There is a policy on

[0:35:19] Voice 2: bylaw enforcement. So an alternative to this might be to ask staff to forward a copy of the

[0:35:26] Voice 2: bylaw enforcement policy or bring it back to you at your next meeting. And you can have a look at

[0:35:32] Voice 2: that policy. And if you feel something needs to be changed, or you would like staff to do a report

[0:35:38] Voice 2: how well the policy currently meets and addresses some of those issues raised in this letter we could

[0:35:45] Voice 2: do that um and then you recommend

[0:35:49] Voice 2: but we have to figure out you know how that works program as well so that's another approach if you

[0:36:04] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, and we are breaking up a bit, but I think we managed to hear you.

[0:36:09] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, well, let's just leave this for now.

[0:36:13] Trustee Busheikin: I'll think that over and anyone else can think it over and take action or not.

[0:36:19] Trustee Busheikin: But we have spent over half an hour on this item.

[0:36:22] Trustee Busheikin: Not that that is inappropriate, given the immensity of the housing crisis and its impact.

[0:36:28] Trustee Busheikin: act um but

[0:36:31] Voice 6: are we ready to move on laura

[0:36:32] Voice 28: yep hi laura it's jane i just wanted to let you know i'm

[0:36:36] Voice 28: back in but the power's out here it's pretty wild okay

[0:36:39] Trustee Busheikin: well thanks so you're you're five three nine

[0:36:42] Trustee Busheikin: two four two seven that's right okay good so please be assertive and letting me know when

[0:36:48] Trustee Busheikin: you want to speak um okay okay and director marla your hand is still up did you have something else

[0:36:53] Trustee Busheikin: you wanted to say no okay so then um let us carry on um and uh actually sorry one more thing do we

[0:37:05] Trustee Busheikin: want to i'm getting feedback and i don't know where that's

[0:37:11] Voice 6: from i

[0:37:12] Voice 28: think it's from me so you

[0:37:14] Voice 28: can mute me

[0:37:14] Trustee Busheikin: okay let's see can i mute you or oh well i think that robert has muted you thank you

[0:37:21] Trustee Busheikin: much better um do we want to write a letter um or do we want um executive community to write a

[0:37:29] Trustee Busheikin: letter since this was forwarded forwarded to ms de silva letting her know that it was

[0:37:35] Trustee Busheikin: um discussed in depth and that various actions were taken anyone interested i think we need a

[0:37:45] Trustee Busheikin: motion asking for that no uh

[0:37:51] Voice 15: chair sorry to raise hand i'll i'll move that um regional planning

[0:37:55] Voice 15: committee um the chair of the regional planning committee um reply to the correspondent with an

[0:38:01] Voice 15: update on actions taken

[0:38:03] Trustee Busheikin: okay and i'll second that thank you any further discussion uh we will vote

[0:38:09] Trustee Busheikin: on that not seeing any discussion uh all in favor

[0:38:14] Voice 28: i'm in favor and you probably should mute me

[0:38:18] Voice 28: because there's a lot of static okay and

[0:38:20] Trustee Busheikin: that was gene yeah okay one two three four five six i see

[0:38:24] Trustee Busheikin: Seven in favor. Eight in favor. They're all jumping around on my screen. Lovely. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven in favor. And okay. And so let's take our hands down then. And anyone against? Okay, that motion carries. I will get that to happen.

[0:38:55] Trustee Busheikin: and I'll make myself a note.

[0:38:58] Trustee Busheikin: And I'm sure that someone will contact me for stuff.

[0:39:01] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you very much.

[0:39:04] Trustee Busheikin: So moving on, we have minutes.

[0:39:07] Trustee Busheikin: Any questions or changes to the minutes?

[0:39:12] Trustee Busheikin: Peter Lockham, go ahead.

[0:39:14] Voice 19: And I just wanted to raise your attention

[0:39:16] Voice 19: to what I believe to be a fact

[0:39:19] Voice 19: in that Doug Fenton is online, on phone, listening in.

[0:39:25] Voice 19: and so I don't believe he is able to communicate

[0:39:30] Voice 19: although I because I don't see his number coming up

[0:39:33] Voice 19: but anyway he's out there just so for the record he's attending

[0:39:37] Voice 19: but he obviously doesn't have the ability to vote

[0:39:41] Voice 19: if he doesn't have access to whatever's going on on the screen

[0:39:43] Voice 19: and so perhaps Doug will

[0:39:46] Voice 28: talk about it with Robert Barlow.

[0:39:48] Voice 28: Yeah can I respond to that?

[0:39:50] Voice 28: If he goes to the bottom of the email that we had

[0:39:54] Voice 28: there is a participant number participant ID so if he if he puts that in then he comes in as a

[0:40:02] Voice 28: webinar panelist rather than a guest or whatever they their term is yes

[0:40:10] Trustee Busheikin: okay so I hope that Doug

[0:40:13] Trustee Busheikin: is listening to this and can do that

[0:40:16] Trustee Busheikin: and maybe you can also communicate by chat at least to tell

[0:40:21] Trustee Busheikin: tell us if you're there. I don't even know legally what the voting rules are, if someone can vote by

[0:40:31] Trustee Busheikin: chat. I'm a little leery of going there without knowing that it's acceptable. Robert, I think

[0:40:40] Voice 8: that

[0:40:40] Trustee Busheikin: we need to mute Janine again, or maybe mute

[0:40:44] Voice 6: Jane. Thank you.

[0:40:47] Voice 26: yes i

[0:40:47] Voice 26: did provide the telephone number to trustee fenton and he had connected momentarily

[0:40:54] Voice 26: so we'll have to keep an eye on that thank

[0:40:58] Trustee Busheikin: you okay so moving on to minutes

[0:41:03] Trustee Busheikin: um any comments or changes to the minutes seeing none i will suggest that we um approve the minutes

[0:41:14] Trustee Busheikin: it's by general consent not seeing any dissent to that so we'll carry on uh to the follow-up

[0:41:21] Trustee Busheikin: action list is the next item here with um for us to discuss so i we have this before us does staff

[0:41:31] Trustee Busheikin: have any further updates or any further comments on this before i open it up to trustees okay not

[0:41:40] Trustee Busheikin: not hearing from staff so trustee okay

[0:41:43] Trustee Busheikin: sorry go ahead so

[0:41:45] Voice 2: i just wanted to point out that there is

[0:41:47] Voice 2: a long list of items in the pop-up action list have not been completed uh so i think at some

[0:41:53] Voice 2: point today uh discussion of the regional planning committee about its priorities we do have a

[0:41:59] Voice 2: limited amount of resources available uh so that's why most of these are not done so if you want

[0:42:05] Voice 2: something done we'll have to figure out how to put it ahead of something else

[0:42:10] Voice 2: what drops off or what you know what your priorities are going to be of the

[0:42:13] Voice 2: next few months we're I think we've got one or two more meetings before the end

[0:42:18] Voice 2: of the time so there's a there's a limit to what we can do so I just wanted to

[0:42:23] Voice 2: put that out there for you

[0:42:26] Trustee Busheikin: thank you trustee Patrick well

[0:42:32] Voice 27: I thought you were

[0:42:34] Voice 27: we're going to speak directly about the RFD for the housing

[0:42:38] Voice 27: as to where its status is so that we can have a,

[0:42:42] Voice 27: we were gonna have a conversation about that now?

[0:42:46] Voice 2: Sure, through the chair,

[0:42:48] Voice 2: that's kind of my indirect way of saying

[0:42:50] Voice 2: that I need some direction.

[0:42:51] Voice 2: We have not done it so far because it hasn't been prioritized.

[0:42:56] Voice 2: So if this is a priority to the regional planning committee,

[0:42:59] Voice 2: we can certainly do that and we can get onto it right away.

[0:43:03] Voice 2: but otherwise we've been focused on the strategic plan items that have been underway which is the

[0:43:09] Voice 2: freshwater strategy the eelgrass mapping and the heritage conservation mapping and a few other

[0:43:15] Voice 2: things so this has not happened we have not done any work on it so far

[0:43:26] Trustee Busheikin: trustee long race and then

[0:43:28] Trustee Busheikin: back to trustee patrick i

[0:43:30] Voice 23: had another question and it's in regards to the development approval

[0:43:33] Voice 23: approval information bylaw draft bylaw that was being prepared and it was referred back but I

[0:43:39] Voice 23: haven't heard anything for quite a while I just want curious what its status is uh

[0:43:45] Voice 2: sorry is that

[0:43:46] Voice 2: on one of the items on the pop action list development approval information bylaw well it

[0:43:54] Voice 23: was it it was an item on our agenda quite a while ago and then it was sent back to make some further

[0:44:00] Voice 23: further changes maybe this is the wrong venue but yeah project list but okay i'll bring it up at the

[0:44:07] Voice 23: project list yeah

[0:44:08] Voice 2: thank you that is something else that i remember that discussion it was part of the

[0:44:12] Voice 2: fees bylaw discussion i believe and we're going to do more work on the development approval

[0:44:17] Voice 2: information bylaw yeah so again it's a matter of priorities yeah

[0:44:22] Trustee Busheikin: so let's focus right now then i

[0:44:24] Trustee Busheikin: I think on the discussion about the item on page 30, December 2nd, the proposed recommendation

[0:44:37] Trustee Busheikin: to the Lieutenant Governor and Council.

[0:44:42] Trustee Busheikin: And just to clarify, I think what I'm hearing from Director Marler is that if our committee

[0:44:49] Trustee Busheikin: wishes to prioritize that, we also need to be clear of what would have less priority

[0:44:55] Trustee Busheikin: to or that that would be implied um so

[0:44:57] Trustee Busheikin: yeah with that clarification open for discussion um or um

[0:45:02] Trustee Busheikin: motions trustee patrick go ahead well

[0:45:06] Voice 27: my recommendation is that trust council should

[0:45:09] Voice 27: have a vote on this this is about asking the lieutenant governor and council or using the

[0:45:13] Voice 27: powers that we have to tell them that we don't have or we recognize that this is missing in the

[0:45:20] Voice 27: islands that the you know bc housing it's not fair for them to just have to prioritize housing

[0:45:25] Voice 27: housing projects against Galliano, against Maine, against Gabriola, when their focus is on Victoria

[0:45:32] Voice 27: and Nanaimo and Vancouver, that this is an entity that we're asking for help. We're not saying that

[0:45:41] Voice 27: the Islands Trust should create this housing authority. We're saying that we need help from

[0:45:46] Voice 27: the province to recognize that this region needs special attention. So I know staff have a lot of

[0:45:53] Voice 27: of choices to take um you know i we got to get an illegal opinion on how we recommend to the

[0:45:58] Voice 27: the british columbian lieutenant governor i know that was a decision we made before

[0:46:01] Voice 27: um someone's got to be first someone has to do it housing's important to this government

[0:46:08] Voice 27: so you know i'd say just let's send it back and have a vote at trust council

[0:46:17] Trustee Busheikin: um anyone else care to comment trustee stanford and then trustee colvin and then trustee peterson

[0:46:32] Trustee Busheikin: go ahead Kate

[0:46:34] Voice 30: Louise sorry I'm having trouble with this I thought this was

[0:46:39] Voice 30: sent to us from Council so unless we come up with a specific motion to send

[0:46:46] Voice 30: back to them I'm afraid it's just gonna get shunted back and forth trustee

[0:46:55] Voice 5: Colburn yeah

[0:46:58] Voice 15: that's kind of the issue right I mean this this could be a

[0:47:01] Voice 15: strategy to defer things you'd think instead of having discussions and making

[0:47:06] Voice 15: decisions and i there there hasn't been any work done on this within this committee structure

[0:47:12] Voice 15: so that's a problem um but at the other at the other hand this is the political body's

[0:47:18] Voice 15: responsibility to actually put this in in us in the structures that gets this work done in a real

[0:47:24] Voice 15: way this is the whole problem we're having is it's not in the policy statement it's not so we're in

[0:47:28] Voice 15: in this we're not you know not just we're we're pretty we're stuck and uh to get unstuck i think

[0:47:36] Voice 15: it needs to be sent back i agree with with vice chair patrick um um and and if it does get sent

[0:47:44] Voice 15: back that's just an illustra another illustration of of what's been happening in this this body for

[0:47:49] Voice 15: for decades now which is is shunting this work aside and letting it get lost in the structures

[0:47:54] Voice 15: that that um aren't working for for the these these issues so

[0:48:00] Voice 14: in

[0:48:01] Voice 15: it getting some work done by

[0:48:03] Voice 15: staff and getting this i i think i think this has to go back to trust council with with a direction

[0:48:08] Voice 15: to to deal with it instead of um deferring it by committee

[0:48:14] Voice 8: christy peterson

[0:48:16] Voice 3: yeah

[0:48:22] Voice 17: thanks um yeah i

[0:48:23] Voice 17: was just uh similar to to what was uh mentioned here because um the other thing i i just wanted

[0:48:31] Voice 17: to point out that you know looking up uh looking at this follow-up action report there's there's

[0:48:38] Voice 17: an awful lot of stuff here and um it is not uncommon for trust council to um you know refer

[0:48:48] Voice 17: things to off to committee that are fairly weighty or unwieldy to deal with

[0:48:55] Voice 17: in a short term of Trust Council so I'm I'm in support of sending this back to

[0:49:03] Voice 17: Trust Council and of course we don't know whether that's going to result in

[0:49:09] Voice 17: in any positive action from Trust Council it's I feel like it's a little

[0:49:16] Voice 17: doubtful since it was pretty much shuttled from Trust Council over to us

[0:49:21] Voice 17: but I think we also have to recognize this Director Marlowe was saying there's

[0:49:24] Voice 17: a limited ability for staff even at the direction of this committee or Trust

[0:49:31] Voice 17: Council to to accomplish these many many many tasks if we look at our our list

[0:49:37] Voice 17: here there's an awful lot of them there's a number that that do say

[0:49:42] Voice 17: completed but there's an awful lot of work here and and I think that if Trust

[0:49:48] Voice 17: Council wants to further resource you know this project that's that's up to

[0:49:57] Voice 17: Trust Council I think we're sort of maxed out on the resources we have as a

[0:50:02] Voice 17: committee unless we're going to choose to deprioritize other things and put

[0:50:07] Voice 17: this at the top of our list so long and short I'm fine to send it back to Trust

[0:50:12] Voice 17: Council but we are playing a bit of a badminton game here I understand how

[0:50:17] Voice 17: how frustrating it could be for everyone.

[0:50:19] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Stanford, and then I'll have a comment.

[0:50:26] Trustee Busheikin: So Kate Louise, we'll give you a minute.

[0:50:31] Voice 8: And then Trustee Dodds.

[0:50:37] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Stanford, your, oh, your hand is down.

[0:50:42] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so just a couple of comments.

[0:50:45] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, I think this shuttling back and forth

[0:50:48] Trustee Busheikin: from committees isn't a great practice.

[0:50:52] Trustee Busheikin: If we do send it back, what are we recommending?

[0:50:56] Trustee Busheikin: Are we recommending simply that a letter be sent

[0:50:58] Trustee Busheikin: to the Lieutenant Governor in Council

[0:51:01] Trustee Busheikin: simply with the text of the motion here?

[0:51:07] Trustee Busheikin: Because I think the feeling at Council

[0:51:12] Trustee Busheikin: is that work needs to be done on this

[0:51:15] Trustee Busheikin: to make it a really powerful advocacy piece.

[0:51:18] Trustee Busheikin: So are we saying, given that we don't have resources

[0:51:21] Trustee Busheikin: and we're not willing to shuffle priorities around,

[0:51:24] Trustee Busheikin: we would like to simply send off

[0:51:25] Trustee Busheikin: what we have in front of us?

[0:51:27] Trustee Busheikin: or what are we asking are we asking council to look at the strategic planner to look at the f

[0:51:34] Trustee Busheikin: the follow-up action list for all of the trust bodies or the trust council bodies and and decide

[0:51:40] Trustee Busheikin: what to deprioritize like that if yeah i'm just i don't really want to play the badminton game

[0:51:49] Trustee Busheikin: unless it's strategic um and this is a hard political opinion because or not a hard political

[0:51:57] Trustee Busheikin: decision because it is about balancing priorities and they're all really really important priorities

[0:52:03] Trustee Busheikin: um and they're all linked really um the water all the work on water is very linked because until we

[0:52:10] Trustee Busheikin: really know and have a good strategy for protecting groundwater and know really what's going on with

[0:52:16] Trustee Busheikin: our groundwater it's hard to make really good decisions about housing etc etc so i would like

[0:52:21] Trustee Busheikin: like to see us, if we do send it back to council, to have a clear request or recommendation with

[0:52:28] Trustee Busheikin: that. And otherwise, I think it's up to us to say, well, then, if we want to get this done in

[0:52:36] Trustee Busheikin: the next couple months, are we willing to say prioritize it and know that those other worthy

[0:52:40] Trustee Busheikin: things will get slowed down a bit? And I quite honestly don't know how I feel about that. It's

[0:52:47] Trustee Busheikin: It's painful to have to make those decisions, and so I don't know, and I'm curious to hear what other people want to say, so I'm going to go back to Kate Louise, who's hand is up again, and then Trustee Dodds, and then we can go to the staff.

[0:53:04] Voice 30: I really think that if we send this back to Trust Council, they are going to do what they've done with several other projects and fire it right back at us.

[0:53:14] Voice 30: So unless there's a letter that we request from the executive committee to the government outlining these to get the process started, or if there's staff interpretation that is required, I think the question is, are we going to make this a priority in the next few months?

[0:53:36] Voice 30: and if so we need to state that and um provide direction to staff i i really don't see

[0:53:44] Voice 30: shuttling this back to the council given the makeup of the council right now that this is

[0:53:49] Voice 30: going to do us any good it's just going to delay and it's just going to put egg on our face

[0:53:57] Voice 6: thank you uh janine so

[0:54:01] Voice 4: i i don't i don't think i think that this project is coming in too late

[0:54:08] Voice 4: in the term number one um number two i find it a bit confusing i mean a lot of the things we talk

[0:54:14] Voice 4: about like i don't get any rezoning applications for single family residential lots i mean i don't

[0:54:20] Voice 4: know what the other islands are doing but everything that we do um in terms of enabling

[0:54:25] Voice 4: housing is enabling housing in whatever way we can. But things like purpose-built rentals require

[0:54:32] Voice 4: water and sewer systems and are very complex in small rural island communities. So I think we're

[0:54:39] Voice 4: sort of asking for all sorts of things that are not actually going to be island friendly.

[0:54:45] Voice 4: And I also do not believe for a moment that all of these words and even getting a housing

[0:54:51] Voice 4: authorities are actually going to help with a housing problem. Housing problem is decades in

[0:54:56] Voice 4: the making. It's people who have moved into our communities as they've shifted, as they have in

[0:55:01] Voice 4: all communities. So we have to look for individual on-island funds. Of course, Maine has done that

[0:55:07] Voice 4: with flex housing, which may go nowhere. But I don't see a housing authority being able to

[0:55:13] Voice 4: actually, at the end of the day, create housing. I think we have a lot of problems. Water will be

[0:55:19] Voice 4: be number one. Just the costability will be number two. I don't think we can be the be-all for

[0:55:25] Voice 4: everyone. And taking this back now to trust council this late in the day, I think is a complete waste

[0:55:30] Voice 4: of time.

[0:55:32] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Okay. I'm going to go to Director Marlowe.

[0:55:37] Voice 2: Thank you. So I just wanted to

[0:55:40] Voice 2: jump in from a staff point of view. So I think if you want to get some movement on this,

[0:55:46] Voice 2: the best way to approach it would be to focus on the ask which is actually in item one at the very

[0:55:54] Voice 2: beginning where it says that the province developed the necessary mechanisms to create

[0:55:58] Voice 2: fund government administering the island housing authority type entity and then the rest of it down

[0:56:04] Voice 2: below is kind of asking them to include the following you know in that in that discussion

[0:56:10] Voice 2: Now, I think the first thing is that ask. Is that something that this committee wants to do?

[0:56:19] Voice 2: So that's the first thing. Second is, if you do, we can't just send this to the province as written,

[0:56:27] Voice 2: because the province, first of all, it's hard to get things onto the agenda.

[0:56:31] Voice 2: If it's a legislative change or even if it's a regulatory change, they have so much going on.

[0:56:36] Voice 2: and the islands trust is a very small um you know population is very small compared to say the cities

[0:56:43] Voice 2: where they got even bigger issues with respect to housing so we need if we want to get on the

[0:56:49] Voice 2: agenda we're going to have to give them something that is really easy to understand clear and

[0:56:54] Voice 2: defensible and the only way to do that is to get staff to start working this up so coming back to

[0:57:03] Voice 2: you and looking at all of these asking here and the first question i think would come back to the

[0:57:08] Voice 2: province is why aren't you doing it for example cd and e in here that's in your area that's that's

[0:57:17] Voice 2: land use planning you can do that at a local level so how would we respond to that what would we tell

[0:57:23] Voice 2: them that why we're not doing it at the islands trust what is the problem and then they might say

[0:57:29] Voice 2: well the regional district has the authority for housing they can create a housing um division

[0:57:36] Voice 2: and tax it and do all this so why aren't you working with the regional district so

[0:57:41] Voice 2: that's going to be the pushback that we'll probably get and so to be successful i think

[0:57:47] Voice 2: first of all resolution that this is a priority that you want staff to work on it and then second

[0:57:53] Voice 2: asking staff to come back with an analysis of this and some options and recommendations

[0:57:59] Voice 2: on how to proceed and that could include getting legal advice it could include options to work with

[0:58:06] Voice 2: regional districts first or it could just be recommending what we need to clarify before we

[0:58:14] Voice 2: send this to um to the ministers okay i'll show that thank you thank

[0:58:21] Trustee Busheikin: you i not sure whose hand

[0:58:25] Trustee Busheikin: went up first but i think it's patrick stanford dodds is that amenable to everyone okay so laura

[0:58:33] Trustee Busheikin: go ahead all

[0:58:34] Voice 27: right so the the main the main point was exactly telling the province that we have a

[0:58:42] Voice 27: problem and that we are recommending that they create some sort of entity. BC Housing, like I

[0:58:48] Voice 27: said, is one of the primary organizations that the province has created. It doesn't work in these

[0:58:55] Voice 27: islands. And all the bullets, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, whatever the alphabet there is, is trying to help

[0:59:02] Voice 27: people understand that we're not recommending that housing be done just, you know, slam it up

[0:59:09] Voice 27: on every hillside and everywhere that we know that we have a preserve and protect mandate that's

[0:59:15] Voice 27: important uh we had a um the southern gulf island tourism partnership is moving forward with a

[0:59:22] Voice 27: housing process and they hired an incredibly good consultant cityscape if you've never

[0:59:28] Voice 27: met them they are very active in the housing industry here uh they interviewed 52 people

[0:59:34] Voice 27: and come back with a recommendation and what they're creating. And then

[0:59:42] Voice 27: the Capital Regional District is looking at housing plans for the Southern Gulf Island

[0:59:48] Voice 27: and so forth. And yes, they do have the authority to have a housing authority,

[0:59:53] Voice 27: but they have no funding, zero funding. And they too are challenged with

[1:00:00] Voice 27: do I deal with Victoria or do I deal with these whining Southern Gulf Islands? Our problems are

[1:00:06] Voice 27: unique. They're challenging. We do not have developable ready land sitting there with water

[1:00:12] Voice 27: and sewer services. Every project, whether it's for eight units or 28 units, is challenging,

[1:00:20] Voice 27: difficult, and hard. And it's being done by hardworking volunteer organizations that don't

[1:00:26] Voice 27: have the skills, the ability to do these things. So we're saying to the province that the current

[1:00:33] Voice 27: system they have to help communities with housing doesn't work in our islands. And that is what this

[1:00:41] Trustee Busheikin: is about. Okay, I'm going to sit here because I think the discussion of the reasons this is

[1:00:46] Trustee Busheikin: important is good, but I also think time is limited and we need to decide what to do with it.

[1:00:52] Trustee Busheikin: I don't think there's many, well, I mean, there's different ideas of whether this is

[1:00:57] Trustee Busheikin: the best approach, but I think it's, here it is, it's honor FUAL with a request to deal

[1:01:04] Trustee Busheikin: with it.

[1:01:05] Trustee Busheikin: And what, I guess what I'm interested in as a chair is moving this discussion to a decision.

[1:01:12] Trustee Busheikin: And

[1:01:13] Voice 27: I would say then I would recommend we instead either we take this motion either

[1:01:18] Voice 27: as a delegation if we don't have staff's time to analyze and do a letter that we do a delegation to

[1:01:23] Voice 27: um our minister making this request i don't know i don't know if scott colburn has any ideas of

[1:01:31] Voice 27: how do you how do we move this to the province um so

[1:01:35] Trustee Busheikin: just to clarify you're you're looking for a way

[1:01:39] Trustee Busheikin: to move this to the province

[1:01:40] Voice 27: without oh no i mean we need to vote from trust council and the question

[1:01:45] Voice 27: was is it a letter or you know how do we do the communications do we do a letter

[1:01:51] Voice 27: that means extensive research from from staff or do we take a delegation of

[1:01:56] Voice 27: trustees at a political level and go to our minister that would be our you know

[1:02:01] Voice 27: the question of how do we frame this if we're going to return it back to Trust

[1:02:05] Voice 27: Council

[1:02:06] Trustee Busheikin: so so just again to clarify your suggestion is that rather than asking

[1:02:13] Trustee Busheikin: asking staff to prioritize this and do that sort of workup that, um, we heard, just heard about

[1:02:20] Trustee Busheikin: that. We do send it back to trust council for further direction. Um, with the, because I think

[1:02:30] Trustee Busheikin: that probably letter was the idea originally, and that there should be background work on that as

[1:02:36] Trustee Busheikin: with most of our big advocacy pieces. So I guess you're saying, send it back to council.

[1:02:43] Trustee Busheikin: do they want a letter then it will probably go back to staff or do they want a delegation and

[1:02:51] Trustee Busheikin: will that be supported by staff background research and speaking notes or it just will

[1:02:55] Trustee Busheikin: happen i'm not sure but maybe i'll take some other speakers and we'll see where there's those

[1:03:00] Trustee Busheikin: trustees yeah so go ahead kate

[1:03:05] Voice 8: louise i

[1:03:12] Voice 30: have faith in you kate

[1:03:14] Voice 30: louise sorry it's it's just

[1:03:16] Voice 30: i keep fading in and out here um again um i i think we need to do more work here uh i can't

[1:03:23] Voice 30: i just don't think we're going to get a positive result going back to to trust council we have to

[1:03:30] Voice 30: do some work here and if it's a letter whatever it is we have to come up with the angle okay

[1:03:39] Trustee Busheikin: um

[1:03:42] Trustee Busheikin: that still leaves the uh the actual action that we would need to do i

[1:03:46] Trustee Busheikin: think and and

[1:03:48] Trustee Busheikin: And David Marler, please correct me if I'm wrong. One action is simply to leave this as is, and it will sit here on the FUAL and wait for staff, which may not happen this term.

[1:04:00] Trustee Busheikin: Another is to prioritize it, which means slowing down some of the other things that staff are working on for RPC.

[1:04:07] Trustee Busheikin: another thing would be to send it back to council with a specific suggestion or just send it back

[1:04:15] Trustee Busheikin: to council and kind of say we are unable to deal with this right now because of lack of capacity

[1:04:21] Trustee Busheikin: um we were not we did not make any decisions um about prioritizing it please provide direction

[1:04:29] Trustee Busheikin: I think those are the options.

[1:04:32] Trustee Busheikin: I don't know of other options, correct?

[1:04:38] Trustee Busheikin: And innovation and new options are welcome.

[1:04:40] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I'm gonna go to the next speaker.

[1:04:42] Trustee Busheikin: So that is case.

[1:04:43] Voice 23: Oh, yeah.

[1:04:44] Voice 23: As I said at the trust council meeting

[1:04:46] Voice 23: is the legal implications behind use of A2E in this motion.

[1:04:51] Voice 23: That's my biggest concern.

[1:04:53] Voice 23: What is implications in terms of the interpretation

[1:04:56] Voice 23: of the trust mandate, the object.

[1:04:58] Voice 23: So that the other points and it was raised as well as the clarification is what we mean by a housing agency is a subset we more detail needed on that I could see that the province responding say well not clear what you really want.

[1:05:14] Voice 23: So, but it sounds like we don't really know how we're going to handle this at this point in time so maybe we need to vote on that first.

[1:05:28] Trustee Busheikin: And there was a pause and silence for a few moments.

[1:05:32] Voice 6: um sorry who is who is that yeah please um

[1:05:38] Voice 28: you know i'm wondering whether um a round table

[1:05:44] Voice 28: of sts and and crd and and government provincial government maybe even federal government would

[1:05:53] Voice 28: help to generate some ideas and and really talk about how the existing institutions don't serve

[1:06:02] Voice 28: you know the gulf islands and what are some other ways that we could approach this i mean

[1:06:08] Voice 28: um it it seems like you know it it is a you know it is a problem in you know all across canada but

[1:06:17] Voice 28: if we could maybe have a you know a symposium or a brainstorming session and maybe there maybe

[1:06:25] Voice 28: there are some things that you know that could come out of that thank

[1:06:33] Trustee Busheikin: you i mean that's another

[1:06:35] Trustee Busheikin: that's another project that sounds like a good one but then we would have to figure out how to

[1:06:39] Trustee Busheikin: prioritize that because those symposiums don't organize themselves um not not meaning to shut

[1:06:45] Trustee Busheikin: you down i think it's a great idea but um i think what we have we have one thing before us and we're

[1:06:53] Trustee Busheikin: deciding what to do with it

[1:06:54] Trustee Busheikin: um i'm gonna open the floor i know this is i think this is really

[1:06:58] Trustee Busheikin: difficult and it's um i just want to recognize that that probably a lot of us are having feelings

[1:07:04] Trustee Busheikin: feelings of frustration and, you know, people with different views about whether even this is

[1:07:09] Trustee Busheikin: viable or not. I think, you know, there's so much going on here. Is this a good approach? Is it the

[1:07:14] Trustee Busheikin: best approach? Is it problematic? Do we want to do it? If we do want to do it and we can't do it

[1:07:19] Trustee Busheikin: without pulling back from other work and that doesn't seem right and we want to do something,

[1:07:24] Trustee Busheikin: it's just, I just want to recognize for a minute that maybe quite a few of us are feeling some

[1:07:28] Trustee Busheikin: frustration and i do appreciate everyone it feels like the conversation is constructive and collegial

[1:07:35] Trustee Busheikin: and and um let's keep it that way so thank you and i will recognize scott go ahead hi there uh

[1:07:43] Voice 15: all kinds of connection issues powers out so um i may dip in out out here at just the perfect time

[1:07:49] Voice 15: just to get to get at some of the frustrations of dealing with this and i recognize it comes

[1:07:53] Voice 15: comes in late in the term and i missed the last 10 minutes of this so um yeah thank you chair

[1:08:03] Voice 15: for shaking that's i'm just sort of left i don't know where to turn next and it may be a movement

[1:08:08] Voice 15: within you know with some trustees and others just to sort of highlight this the the problem

[1:08:14] Voice 15: is is that the the work structures to to get any work done on this are are not working um

[1:08:21] Voice 15: Um, and, and, uh, this was sent to us and there were trustees in, in trust council who

[1:08:28] Voice 15: said, you know, the writing needs to be improved or this and that, uh, who, um, I don't have

[1:08:35] Voice 15: a clear answer for how to get this in front of the province.

[1:08:37] Voice 15: It has to be somewhat coordinated.

[1:08:40] Voice 15: Um, and, and, uh, I would love this committee to, to add something to it without burying

[1:08:48] Voice 15: it.

[1:08:49] Voice 15: And that's unfortunately where we're sort of left.

[1:08:51] Voice 15: Um, this asking the Lieutenant governor and, and asking the province to take a more active role in this, it's being advocated from, from other parts of the trust as well.

[1:09:01] Voice 15: I would say that the governance and management review came in late in the term and after the strategic plan and was fully funded and has received a great deal of time and attention from, from the bodies of the trust.

[1:09:12] Voice 15: And, and, and, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't bear up to that sort of, of, of, um, um, time and effort, frankly.

[1:09:21] Voice 15: it doesn't. So sadly, I'm just sort of going to second your lack of a coordinated response and

[1:09:31] Voice 15: hope I can hear the rest of this conversation.

[1:09:36] Trustee Busheikin: David Marler.

[1:09:38] Voice 2: Yeah. So I don't know how much discussion any individual trustee or group has had with the

[1:09:45] Voice 2: province. So, you know, if I was the province and this letter came in and it was based on

[1:09:52] Voice 2: this resolution I think my first reaction would be okay so what specifically is not working

[1:10:00] Voice 2: so I wonder if maybe you might want to consider taking a step back and defining the problem a

[1:10:07] Voice 2: little bit more for the province and maybe a letter that expresses that and indicates some

[1:10:15] Voice 2: form if we'd like to work with you to solve this in the islands maybe that could open the dialogue

[1:10:20] Voice 2: And then this, which is really kind of going to a solution to a problem that's not yet been defined, at least to the province, and not in any way.

[1:10:32] Voice 2: I think we all understand that there's a problem, but we haven't written it down and said specifically, why is it not working currently and what the problem is?

[1:10:41] Voice 2: So that might be something you want to consider.

[1:10:43] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:10:46] Trustee Busheikin: I just put my hand up because I'm just trying to think a little bit out of the box here, too, because we get out of the impasse we find ourselves in.

[1:10:58] Trustee Busheikin: Like, what if a small group of trustees that was not a quorum of council who were particularly interested in housing and felt that they had at least some grasp of how advocacy might work best

[1:11:14] Trustee Busheikin: best, got together and created, rather than asking staff to do all the work, that the trustees took

[1:11:21] Trustee Busheikin: the lead and a group of trustees got together and worked on a letter and answered some of these

[1:11:26] Trustee Busheikin: questions and goes back to what is not working. Why can this not be done by the trust? Why cannot

[1:11:32] Trustee Busheikin: this be done by the regional district? Why isn't BC housing working well for the islands? Why is

[1:11:41] Trustee Busheikin: this why should this rise to a priority because the province is hearing a lot about housing like

[1:11:48] Trustee Busheikin: there is not a lack of knowledge that there is a housing crisis um everywhere including the trust

[1:11:54] Trustee Busheikin: area and a desperate need to do something about it that is not we don't have to convince anyone of

[1:11:59] Trustee Busheikin: that um so like given that yeah really there isn't staff capacity without putting something

[1:12:07] Trustee Busheikin: something really important on the back burner.

[1:12:09] Trustee Busheikin: Perhaps some trustees could simply get together

[1:12:12] Trustee Busheikin: and bring something back to council that they draft

[1:12:15] Trustee Busheikin: or perhaps we could charge a few trustees.

[1:12:19] Trustee Busheikin: I'm willing to do that just to say,

[1:12:22] Trustee Busheikin: to work with staff to create this more

[1:12:27] Trustee Busheikin: of an introductory letter that is a problem definition

[1:12:30] Trustee Busheikin: and not jumping to a solution.

[1:12:33] Voice 15: And sorry to

[1:12:34] Voice 15: interrupt chair, I have been paged out.

[1:12:36] Voice 15: I agree with that approach and I will definitely take part.

[1:12:39] Voice 15: Sadly, I have to leave this meeting.

[1:12:41] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, good luck.

[1:12:42] Trustee Busheikin: Thanks.

[1:12:43] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Stelford and then Peter Lacombe.

[1:12:46] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah,

[1:12:49] Voice 30: I think we're getting to a place where we can move forward.

[1:12:52] Voice 30: I think when I keep hearing some of the concerns, they're around the details at the bottom,

[1:12:58] Voice 30: like how it needs to be solved.

[1:13:01] Voice 30: The overall ask, I don't think is an issue so much.

[1:13:05] Voice 30: and what we need to focus on is what is it about the islands that makes it a unique problem to us

[1:13:12] Voice 30: so we don't need

[1:13:14] Voice 30: to talk about that housing is an issue we know it is but it's the the lack of water

[1:13:19] Voice 30: it's that defined island closed system that we're trying to deal with it's our special mandate

[1:13:25] Voice 30: those are the kinds of things we can focus on when we're talking to the government

[1:13:29] Voice 30: them i don't have specifically the same issues in this part of the islands trust that other people

[1:13:37] Voice 30: do with housing but it doesn't mean it's not going to happen in the next 20 10 20 years so it's of a

[1:13:43] Voice 30: huge interest to see how what how um our local trust area can implement things to to prevent

[1:13:53] Voice 30: the kinds of problems that other islands are having so that's where my interest is

[1:13:57] Voice 30: in this. But pulling back a little bit, I think, is really what we're needing to do.

[1:14:06] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Peter, welcome. Go ahead.

[1:14:18] Voice 19: Sorry, trying to conserve power and bandwidth. I guess I'm having some difficulty in understanding

[1:14:27] Voice 19: the problem. And David Mahler, I would appreciate to the chair, if you had any remarks to anything

[1:14:34] Voice 19: thing that I'm going to say now. There's conversation about the breadth of this

[1:14:39] Voice 19: conversation is about writing to the lieutenant governor, writing to the province, make a

[1:14:44] Voice 19: delegation to the province. This specific direction is to write a letter to the lieutenant governor.

[1:14:49] Voice 19: And certainly the problem definition would be nice to have some thing to wrap it around. However,

[1:14:57] Voice 19: However, the A through C or however many bullets there are actually does to some extent define what the problem is.

[1:15:06] Voice 19: And what we're asking, I think, really, is for conversation with the lieutenant governor, not with the province, but with the lieutenant governor to provide direction to the province to undertake this work.

[1:15:16] Voice 19: So I think we need to clarify that and focus on that and would remind you that advocacy is ostensibly best undertaken by trust program services.

[1:15:31] Voice 19: services and i'm not saying you need to send this to trust programs committee but um that seek us

[1:15:38] Voice 19: and david obviously uh as a as uh could liaise with uh trust area services staff communication

[1:15:46] Voice 19: staff to figure out the way to frame this and to do this politically correctly because what we're

[1:15:53] Voice 19: actually suggesting here from the motion from council which i think was the original intent

[1:15:57] Voice 19: tent is to go above the province and go outside of our relationship with our ministry and seek

[1:16:04] Voice 19: support from the lieutenant governor to undertake an important action which has been done by others

[1:16:10] Voice 19: and i don't recall the detail that but the city of vancouver i think did this very thing and got

[1:16:16] Voice 19: some action on it so i think we need to be for me um the frustrating part of it thank you uh

[1:16:23] Voice 19: Chair Beshaken, for identifying that, is Trust Council's strategic plan, all of the items that

[1:16:30] Voice 19: are on there. And although there's been significant progress on the strategic plan,

[1:16:34] Voice 19: there's simply too many things on the strategic plan, including the letter that was discussed

[1:16:40] Voice 19: earlier as important work that we should be doing. However, we really need to focus on what we're

[1:16:45] Voice 19: going to do, because otherwise it turns out to be that we don't do anything. And that's the

[1:16:51] Voice 19: the criticism that we're not effective at doing all these things has actually got nothing to do

[1:16:55] Voice 19: with the ability to do the things is we're just simply doing too many things. And I know at my

[1:17:00] Voice 19: house, that's what happens is things just don't get done because there's too many things to do.

[1:17:06] Voice 19: So just, I think really let's focus, let's not drill too deep on this and take some action to

[1:17:11] Voice 19: have a conversation with somebody, I think other than the province directly, but the Lieutenant

[1:17:17] Voice 19: Lieutenant Governor, which is, I believe, what the direction is. That's it for me.

[1:17:23] Trustee Busheikin: From a caring point of view, that is indeed, I think most people would like to take some action,

[1:17:29] Trustee Busheikin: and the wall we're up against is that there is no staff capacity to support us in that right now.

[1:17:36] Trustee Busheikin: And that unless we direct staff to prioritize it, in which case things like the cultural

[1:17:45] Trustee Busheikin: natural heritage mapping or the next stages of the groundwater project will not get done and um or

[1:17:52] Trustee Busheikin: not get done in as quickly um and that's problematic so um i will turn to my trustee

[1:18:01] Trustee Busheikin: my trustee colleague patrick my colleague trustee patrick the

[1:18:06] Voice 27: other laura the other

[1:18:08] Voice 27: laura um i mean

[1:18:11] Voice 27: beyond those points in the rfd itself we did present what the issues are and it was you know

[1:18:19] Voice 27: so that a lot of the work has been done as i mentioned cityscape which is a one of the like

[1:18:25] Voice 27: highest renowned working consultants in housing in in this province right now um has just done

[1:18:32] Voice 27: a thorough review of the situation here in southern gulf islands and um uh you know so we

[1:18:38] Voice 27: we have pertinent relevant information.

[1:18:40] Voice 27: So if it's about just drafting a letter

[1:18:42] Voice 27: and if it's trustees about drafting a letter,

[1:18:44] Voice 27: then is it this committee?

[1:18:46] Voice 27: Are there members of this committee

[1:18:47] Voice 27: that would volunteer to work on drafting a letter

[1:18:52] Voice 27: so that we bring a letter back to trust council?

[1:18:55] Voice 27: Is that what I'm hearing?

[1:18:59] Voice 27: You know, to be specific in what the ask is

[1:19:03] Voice 27: to the Lieutenant Governor.

[1:19:04] Voice 27: And if so, I can try to garble through a motion on that.

[1:19:10] Trustee Busheikin: I, Peter, your hand is still up. Is that because you want to speak again? Okay. That I think is

[1:19:19] Trustee Busheikin: where this is sort of nudging itself to this discussion is getting a small group of trustees

[1:19:26] Trustee Busheikin: to work on, hopefully, I mean, in my mind, liaison with staff, both with Director Marler and Director

[1:19:34] Trustee Busheikin: as someone who is skilled in advocacy and to pull back a little bit from a clear demand for

[1:19:42] Trustee Busheikin: solution but focus more on problem definition and ask for a conversation and that a group of

[1:19:49] Trustee Busheikin: trustees would work on that it would then need to I think come unless it's presented to council I'm

[1:19:53] Trustee Busheikin: just thinking out loud it could be presented to council from the trustees as we've done with a

[1:19:58] Trustee Busheikin: a trustee-sponsored RFP, or it could come back to this committee. I think it would have to come

[1:20:05] Trustee Busheikin: back to this committee through a resolution without meeting to be endorsed in time for

[1:20:12] Trustee Busheikin: council. I don't know. I think I'm ready to ask staff for it. It's a little bit of an out-of-the-box

[1:20:18] Trustee Busheikin: way of working, but I think people all over the world are recognizing that things have to start

[1:20:24] Trustee Busheikin: working out of the box for us to address the various crises um we are facing um so um staff

[1:20:32] Trustee Busheikin: could we do could we delegate or ask a group of trustees to work on a draft uh letter and then

[1:20:42] Trustee Busheikin: get that back to council not something or something like that go ahead david uh

[1:20:48] Voice 2: thank you um yeah i

[1:20:50] Voice 2: I don't see any problems with that approach.

[1:20:53] Voice 2: Obviously this committee wouldn't have time to review it,

[1:20:56] Voice 2: but you as chair, you could have a resolution

[1:20:58] Voice 2: that you as chair would approve whatever goes to council.

[1:21:03] Voice 2: So that should be part of the resolution.

[1:21:06] Voice 2: The Director of Trust Area Services is with us,

[1:21:08] Voice 2: so I'm not sure if she has any comments,

[1:21:11] Voice 2: but I would also suggest that if a committee does write it,

[1:21:15] Voice 2: maybe using the RFD and this resolution

[1:21:17] Voice 2: to fill out the letter that they asked staff,

[1:21:21] Voice 2: Trust Area Services to have a look at it

[1:21:24] Voice 2: and make some edits to make it correct.

[1:21:27] Voice 2: Make sure that it's clear what the ask is

[1:21:29] Voice 2: before it goes to Trust Council for consideration

[1:21:32] Voice 2: of being forwarded to the Lieutenant Government Council.

[1:21:37] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:21:37] Trustee Busheikin: That is, things are starting to look clear.

[1:21:40] Trustee Busheikin: We have Peter Lacaman and Scott Colburn

[1:21:43] Trustee Busheikin: who seems to still be with us.

[1:21:47] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:21:48] Voice 19: you know um trust council has actually directed you to communicate with lieutenant governor

[1:21:56] Voice 19: honestly i don't think this needs to go back to council if every decision that we need to make

[1:22:02] Voice 19: has to go back to council we're never going to get things done the reason we have committees

[1:22:07] Voice 19: is to take advice from council and act on it and i would encourage you to do that

[1:22:14] Trustee Busheikin: thank you I did

[1:22:22] Voice 15: leave and was stood down and now it's a beautiful sunny day it's a very confusing

[1:22:25] Voice 15: day um I I

[1:22:27] Voice 15: agree with with with uh chair Luckham there um I'm wondering if if forming a task force

[1:22:33] Voice 15: within this committee is another approach something that would have a bit more last

[1:22:38] Voice 15: also transfer the work um from one term to the next depending and it's a recognition that

[1:22:45] Voice 15: This is something that's sort of fallen through the cracks over and over again and has an impact on all these other spaces, as does water, as does everything else.

[1:22:55] Voice 15: So I'm wondering if that's an approach that could both work on the short term in terms of getting this ask clearly made from this committee and also draw in perhaps trustees who are not on this committee, but would be willing to put the time and effort in.

[1:23:12] Voice 15: Okay,

[1:23:15] Voice 8: I'm going to step in

[1:23:17] Trustee Busheikin: as a chair and suggest that that's an interesting idea, but it is a somewhat new and more complex idea if it's going to be a trust council task force.

[1:23:29] Trustee Busheikin: Great idea, but it is 1125 and we've been talking about one item on the FUAL for almost an hour, not to minimize it.

[1:23:39] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, as I said with the last item, housing deserves days and days of discussion and then lots of action.

[1:23:49] Trustee Busheikin: But I just think discussing a task force right now, I'm worried about the rest of the agenda and the rest of the day.

[1:23:57] Trustee Busheikin: And I'd like to just get this item moving somewhere.

[1:24:00] Trustee Busheikin: So maybe that could be something that you could work on, creating an RFD, maybe bring that to council.

[1:24:07] Trustee Busheikin: So I'd be happy to work with you on that.

[1:24:11] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm going to turn to Director Frater

[1:24:13] Trustee Busheikin: and then Trustee Peterson and then Director Marlowe,

[1:24:18] Trustee Busheikin: although Director Frater, okay, there you are, go ahead.

[1:24:20] Trustee Busheikin: Good

[1:24:21] Voice 29: to see you, thank you, welcome to the meeting.

[1:24:23] Voice 29: Thank you, I'll let you know,

[1:24:24] Voice 29: I've just joined midway in this conversation,

[1:24:26] Voice 29: so I don't have the full context of your discussion.

[1:24:29] Voice 29: Having just heard that sort of the understanding

[1:24:32] Voice 29: that you have direction from Council to right

[1:24:35] Voice 29: to the Lieutenant Governor,

[1:24:36] Voice 29: just had to look back at the council minutes

[1:24:37] Voice 29: and it looks like the motion was in fact tabled

[1:24:39] Voice 29: and then referred to RPC.

[1:24:41] Voice 29: So in fact, it doesn't appear

[1:24:43] Voice 29: there is actually a council motion

[1:24:45] Voice 29: that would support the writing of a letter at this stage.

[1:24:47] Voice 29: It does look like you might need to return to council

[1:24:49] Voice 29: with advice about the motion,

[1:24:51] Voice 29: which could include a draft letter for consideration

[1:24:53] Voice 29: or a better approach.

[1:24:55] Voice 29: I've just had a quick look.

[1:24:56] Voice 29: There might be something further in the minutes

[1:24:58] Voice 29: I didn't catch, but my quick look at it,

[1:25:00] Voice 29: that's what I saw.

[1:25:01] Voice 29: So Director Marlowe may have more current understanding,

[1:25:04] Voice 29: but I'm just jumping in here midstream but that's where I think you're at is that the motion was

[1:25:08] Voice 29: tabled by council and referred for advice to the committee so I think it might be premature to write

[1:25:12] Voice 29: without actually getting a motion of council to support a letter of this magnitude this would be

[1:25:17] Voice 29: a very high profile thing to do and I think the province will struggle not having had a smooth

[1:25:21] Voice 29: path for this in the past I think you'll get sort of cabinet level attention on this request so I

[1:25:27] Voice 29: would suggest good process is important and I am I am willing to support this I think this is a

[1:25:34] Voice 29: a really important topic and I certainly would be willing to find some time to support trustees in

[1:25:40] Voice 29: this work. Thank you.

[1:25:42] Trustee Busheikin: Okay and I see in the chat that Trustee Patrick is working on a motion which

[1:25:48] Trustee Busheikin: is great and in the meantime let's hear from Trustee Peterson.

[1:25:54] Voice 17: Yeah thank you Chair. Just I

[1:25:58] Voice 17: wanted just to clarify what I thought I heard Trustee Colburn talking about a working group

[1:26:05] Voice 17: made from members of this committee,

[1:26:07] Voice 17: not from trust council.

[1:26:09] Voice 17: I believe that's what I heard him say,

[1:26:11] Voice 17: which of course is a much less unwieldy proposition.

[1:26:17] Voice 17: And I think if we're talking about

[1:26:21] Voice 17: working towards drafting a letter,

[1:26:22] Voice 17: it's very similar to what you were talking about

[1:26:25] Voice 17: with sort of an ad hoc group of trustees,

[1:26:27] Voice 17: but maybe a little formalized as a working group

[1:26:30] Voice 17: formed from this trustee, this committee.

[1:26:34] Voice 17: And I think that's what I heard Trustee Colburn say.

[1:26:36] Voice 17: I'm not sure if he's still with us to clarify that.

[1:26:39] Voice 15: Yes, that was my intention to make it

[1:26:42] Voice 15: not necessarily a lasting body of trust council,

[1:26:44] Voice 15: but a working group within this committee,

[1:26:46] Voice 15: much like the trust policy statement

[1:26:48] Voice 15: had working groups on reconciliation and climate change

[1:26:50] Voice 15: and these housing impacts.

[1:26:54] Voice 17: Thank you.

[1:26:55] Voice 17: Okay, thank you.

[1:26:56] Voice 17: Thank you, Trustee Colburn.

[1:26:59] Voice 17: And I just will add that I support that notion.

[1:27:02] Voice 17: And

[1:27:03] Trustee Busheikin: I'm sure I misunderstood. I understood it as a trust-wide task force. And as you could see, that made me a little nervous about getting too wide in our scope.

[1:27:14] Trustee Busheikin: So, so there is something in the chat here that is along these lines from trustee patchwork, Patrick, it is a motion that RPC designate a working group of committee members to work with staff to draft a letter.

[1:27:35] Voice 27: Yeah, go ahead.

[1:27:36] Voice 27: Oh, I was going to say a letter with, you know, it's, I was just referring to the ask as we were using that to describe it, but to drop the letter of the ask and that, you know, for trust counsel approval if that's what you.

[1:27:52] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:27:54] Voice 27: Guarding such.

[1:27:56] Voice 27: Guy, stop. You don't need this orange one.

[1:28:00] Voice 27: Sorry, sorry, power outage problems.

[1:28:02] Voice 27: Oh,

[1:28:06] Trustee Busheikin: we've lost her.

[1:28:08] Trustee Busheikin: um very frustrating um she may come

[1:28:15] Voice 27: back but does anyone want to sorry i know i'm here i'm sorry i'm

[1:28:18] Voice 27: just we're having uh court issues um no i have nothing else to add at this yet okay well this

[1:28:27] Trustee Busheikin: needs to be sort of created into a i think a workable motion maybe staff could help with that

[1:28:32] Trustee Busheikin: director marler was useful previously maybe just the director freighter could help craft this into

[1:28:39] Trustee Busheikin: to a full and wonderful motion.

[1:28:42] Trustee Busheikin: I think it needs to say that at least

[1:28:46] Trustee Busheikin: like to the Lieutenant Governor and Council

[1:28:51] Trustee Busheikin: regarding housing needs in the Islands Trust area.

[1:28:58] Trustee Busheikin: If there is as vague as you can get it,

[1:29:01] Trustee Busheikin: because maybe we don't wanna ask specifically

[1:29:04] Trustee Busheikin: for a housing authority, maybe we want to lay out

[1:29:08] Trustee Busheikin: these are the challenges and leave it at that.

[1:29:10] Trustee Busheikin: and maybe that so would that be a good enough uh motion

[1:29:15] Voice 29: i so having had experience with this with

[1:29:17] Voice 29: trust programs committee i think you'll want to name for public transparency name who will be on

[1:29:21] Voice 29: the working group yes um and ensure that it's not a quorum under council or quorum of the committee

[1:29:28] Voice 29: and then in terms of the end of that motion to work with staff to draft a letter

[1:29:32] Voice 29: um to recommend to trust council something along those lines maybe um so

[1:29:52] Trustee Busheikin: to recommend to trust

[1:29:54] Trustee Busheikin: Council. And I think it's a letter, a draft, a letter.

[1:30:00] Voice 29: um you could say to the lieutenant governor or to draft

[1:30:03] Voice 29: a letter or maybe just say the topic

[1:30:04] Voice 29: regarding maybe leave your options open regarding um what would you call it regarding um housing

[1:30:11] Voice 29: workforce emergency or whatever the declaration centered on

[1:30:14] Voice 2: housing entity i want because maybe

[1:30:18] Trustee Busheikin: we are i think it came up that maybe a housing asking for a housing entity at the beginning

[1:30:22] Trustee Busheikin: isn't the right approach so could we not say um housing needs and solutions or potential solutions

[1:30:33] Voice 29: uh certainly um the you had declared a trust council has declared a housing equity and

[1:30:42] Voice 29: workforce shortage crisis okay let's put that in

[1:30:45] Trustee Busheikin: there that's helpful so regarding the housing

[1:30:48] Trustee Busheikin: housing equity and workforce shortage crisis,

[1:30:52] Voice 14: housing.

[1:31:06] Voice 12: So

[1:31:06] Voice 2: through the chair, Robert,

[1:31:08] Voice 2: second line with staff to draft a letter,

[1:31:12] Voice 2: after letters say to the Lieutenant Governor,

[1:31:19] Voice 2: and then after that say for recommendation to trust council.

[1:31:27] Voice 2: In other words, we're drafting the letter

[1:31:30] Voice 2: as if it's going to the Lieutenant Governor,

[1:31:32] Voice 2: but it's actually a draft for trust council to then consider whether or not it would like to

[1:31:37] Voice 2: send it is that cloud does that make sense certainly

[1:31:42] Voice 29: i was wondering if the committee

[1:31:44] Voice 29: i don't i don't and my apologies for joining late i wasn't sure if there had been prior discussion

[1:31:48] Voice 29: about whether this is the right approach is to go to the lieutenant governor if that's a settled

[1:31:53] Voice 29: matter or whether the committee was wanted to talk about or the working group wanted to leave

[1:31:57] Voice 29: its options open around who it might write to certainly i'd like to seek you some advice on

[1:32:02] Voice 29: on that, whether I, you know, of course you want action.

[1:32:05] Voice 29: I'm not sure that that path might just cause an ending delay

[1:32:08] Voice 29: and confusion at the province.

[1:32:09] Voice 29: I'm not sure yet.

[1:32:10] Voice 29: So I was hoping to investigate that for you.

[1:32:13] Trustee Busheikin: I would support leaving that open then,

[1:32:17] Trustee Busheikin: but then what would we put there?

[1:32:18] Trustee Busheikin: Cause it's kind of weird.

[1:32:19] Trustee Busheikin: You

[1:32:20] Voice 29: could just put capital P province at this point

[1:32:22] Voice 29: and then

[1:32:23] Voice 29: we could help you determine

[1:32:25] Voice 29: if that's the right approach.

[1:32:27] Voice 29: Thank you. Wonderful.

[1:32:28] Voice 29: Thank you, director Prater.

[1:32:31] Voice 29: Okay.

[1:32:31] Voice 5: So I would

[1:32:32] Voice 29: say if I could say

[1:32:33] Voice 29: Okay, regarding the housing equity and workforce shortage crisis, I believe was the wording.

[1:32:38] Voice 29: Let me go back.

[1:32:39] Voice 29: Sorry to jump in.

[1:32:41] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[1:32:43] Trustee Busheikin: In the trust area, because the whole point is that it's, there are specifics here that

[1:32:49] Trustee Busheikin: are, we want to prove they're notably different than the rest of BC, that that's what we have

[1:32:57] Trustee Busheikin: have to prove that um and it is going to be a tough uh even if they agree they'll be like god

[1:33:04] Trustee Busheikin: there's the housing crisis everywhere and we aren't gonna that's what how convincing we have

[1:33:10] Trustee Busheikin: to be that well they'll say we do have to somehow prioritize you guys or or provide a new way

[1:33:19] Voice 29: okay through the chair can i just suggest that recommendation be singular

[1:33:23] Voice 29: Yes.

[1:33:27] Trustee Busheikin: And then, do we want a set like once we carry this should we then decide who'll be on it and have a second motion that it seems to me we need to carry this first before we decide that we're going to put people on this working group.

[1:33:44] Trustee Busheikin: Sure, just

[1:33:45] Voice 5: because it'll be by motion by motion. I will make this motion.

[1:33:50] Voice 5: okay i will second this motion and any further discussion all in favor of the mobile raise their

[1:34:00] Voice 5: hand you

[1:34:03] Voice 19: could raise your hand if you want i'm

[1:34:05] Voice 28: in favor it's jane okay so we have seven in favor

[1:34:10] Voice 17: uh chair i was i i'm i'm not uh opposed but i was i was uh you jumped a little fast i had

[1:34:17] Voice 12: a

[1:34:17] Voice 17: moment of discussion which i which i thought might be helpful for our our next uh potential

[1:34:24] Voice 17: motion um and uh so i was just gonna suggest that in the discussion um it's it's kind of moot now

[1:34:33] Voice 17: but that uh anyone the trustees that were interested uh in being in the working group

[1:34:39] Voice 17: would just you know let us know and then we could go there

[1:34:42] Trustee Busheikin: okay and just because we're in the middle

[1:34:45] Trustee Busheikin: of voting now so i'm not going to if you don't mind i'm not going to follow up on that we will

[1:34:49] Trustee Busheikin: we will get to that uh very soon

[1:34:50] Voice 17: my only complaint is that you rushed through the discussion i

[1:34:55] Voice 17: actually put my hand out for discussion and you had already moved to the vote so i'm just

[1:34:59] Trustee Busheikin: i'm sorry and i take note

[1:35:00] Voice 17: and i will

[1:35:01] Trustee Busheikin: um i'll slow down a little more so let's can i just get the

[1:35:05] Trustee Busheikin: hands up in favor one more time because it's it's moved around a bit before i could yeah

[1:35:12] Trustee Busheikin: we've got six hands and then also trustee wolverton and um so that's seven hands in favor

[1:35:21] Trustee Busheikin: so i like to do the whole thing just to be yeah oh geez

[1:35:27] Voice 28: oh sorry a huge um piece of a tree you

[1:35:33] Voice 28: land on the house oh my goodness was

[1:35:37] Trustee Busheikin: that jane that's um that is okay we if that's happening

[1:35:43] Trustee Busheikin: um okay

[1:35:45] Voice 28: we have seven come down oh

[1:35:46] Trustee Busheikin: my god okay we'll go tend to that and oh i'm so glad you're

[1:35:50] Voice 28: safe yeah i don't think i'm gonna tend to it i don't want to go outside okay okay

[1:35:55] Trustee Busheikin: um yeah um

[1:35:58] Trustee Busheikin: Um, so put your hands down if you voted in favor.

[1:36:02] Voice 10: I

[1:36:03] Trustee Busheikin: just want to like voting in the middle of trees falling on houses and

[1:36:06] Trustee Busheikin: storms. This is a very dramatic meeting.

[1:36:09] Trustee Busheikin: And now let's have everyone who's voting against.

[1:36:14] Trustee Busheikin: So, okay. I'm not seeing anyone against.

[1:36:19] Trustee Busheikin: So that motion carries.

[1:36:24] Trustee Busheikin: Thanks. Someone was saying something to me.

[1:36:26] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[1:36:29] Trustee Busheikin: Is that chair Luckham? And I can't hear you.

[1:36:38] Voice 27: sorry i really still can't hear he's he's saying doug fenton was waving his hand behind him they're

[1:36:44] Voice 27: clearly in the same room and

[1:36:46] Trustee Busheikin: so he was voting

[1:36:47] Voice 27: in favor if i understand

[1:36:48] Trustee Busheikin: correctly wonderful

[1:36:49] Trustee Busheikin: so we don't count the votes but that is good to know and i'm hi doug i'm sorry if i thought you

[1:36:55] Trustee Busheikin: were here i will not do that again um okay that motion carries so if

[1:37:00] Voice 19: one question of clarity sorry

[1:37:03] Voice 19: Sorry, because we were bumped off the grid here for a minute.

[1:37:08] Voice 19: This is indicating a letter to the province.

[1:37:11] Voice 19: Is somebody thinking that writing to the lieutenant governor is the same thing?

[1:37:16] Voice 19: And can David Mahler advise us on who is the letter actually being written to?

[1:37:22] Voice 2: Yeah, so what you missed is the discussion was the group might want to recommend writing to somebody else at the province,

[1:37:32] Voice 2: not necessarily the Lieutenant Governing Council.

[1:37:34] Voice 2: So by using capital P province, it leaves it open.

[1:37:39] Voice 2: It could be the Lieutenant Governor,

[1:37:40] Voice 2: could be the minister, could be staff.

[1:37:44] Voice 2: It's up to the group to make that determination.

[1:37:48] Voice 19: Okay, copy that.

[1:37:49] Voice 19: However, the direction from council

[1:37:51] Voice 19: was obviously different than that, but that's fine.

[1:37:54] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so the next step is who would like to be on that.

[1:38:01] Trustee Busheikin: I believe we've heard from myself, from Trustee Colburn,

[1:38:06] Trustee Busheikin: and I believe Laura Patrick,

[1:38:09] Trustee Busheikin: willingness to serve on this committee.

[1:38:11] Trustee Busheikin: Is there anyone else we would work with?

[1:38:17] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead.

[1:38:17] Trustee Busheikin: Jane is interested.

[1:38:19] Voice 6: Okay, yeah, great.

[1:38:23] Voice 6: I

[1:38:23] Trustee Busheikin: think four is a fine number.

[1:38:25] Trustee Busheikin: We'll work with Director Frater and Director Marler

[1:38:29] Trustee Busheikin: as needed, and we'll need to, I think, get moving on this.

[1:38:31] Trustee Busheikin: Um, so then, um, I would welcome a motion to, I don't know if we appoint or that we

[1:38:38] Trustee Busheikin: confirm perhaps, um, that these trusts that, that the four of us will be the members of

[1:38:46] Trustee Busheikin: this working group.

[1:38:48] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead.

[1:38:49] Trustee Busheikin: Uh, Tim, are you, um, volunteering to be on the working group?

[1:38:53] Voice 17: I've got a motion.

[1:38:54] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[1:38:55] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:38:56] Voice 17: i move that rpc appoint trustees beshaken colburn patrick and wolverton to

[1:39:06] Voice 18: the what did we call it

[1:39:08] Voice 17: working group on housing equity and workforce shortage crisis

[1:39:15] Voice 7: yeah seconder i second laura okay any further discussion scott go ahead scott

[1:39:34] Trustee Busheikin: i see your hand

[1:39:35] Trustee Busheikin: up for discussion on the motion um but i can't hear you you look muted okay now your hands

[1:39:43] Trustee Busheikin: down but are you even there um oh he's here okay so not seeing any discussion i'm going to

[1:39:56] Trustee Busheikin: call the question i'm

[1:40:05] Voice 28: in favor it's jane

[1:40:06] Voice 6: okay so we have seven in favor

[1:40:09] Voice 6: um and

[1:40:11] Trustee Busheikin: And

[1:40:11] Voice 8: is Doug

[1:40:14] Voice 8: Fenton here also?

[1:40:21] Voice 7: I'm just hearing a bunch of

[1:40:24] Trustee Busheikin: broken up noise right now.

[1:40:26] Trustee Busheikin: Let's have everyone take their hand down.

[1:40:31] Trustee Busheikin: I didn't hear it.

[1:40:32] Trustee Busheikin: Someone was saying something and did not.

[1:40:35] Trustee Busheikin: We had seven in favor, so this is going to carry.

[1:40:37] Trustee Busheikin: so let's just for formality's sake have anyone voting against just to make everything very clear

[1:40:45] Trustee Busheikin: or as clear as possible given the circumstances okay so I'm not seeing any against so that motion

[1:40:53] Trustee Busheikin: carries thank you everyone for your patient trust a trustee Peterson I hope I didn't cut you off

[1:40:58] Trustee Busheikin: again um

[1:41:01] Voice 17: no I just was going to point out we've got a a one phone number on the attendees list

[1:41:07] Voice 17: and I'm not sure if it's a trustee trying to um join in or not um

[1:41:14] Trustee Busheikin: right um that's interesting

[1:41:19] Trustee Busheikin: 802-3244 could that person that could be a member of the public tuning in and if so welcome um

[1:41:27] Trustee Busheikin: and they're gone just when I welcomed them um maybe it was a trustee trying to tune in

[1:41:32] Trustee Busheikin: uh yeah and i thank everyone for for your patience um in this so there's just one more piece with

[1:41:41] Trustee Busheikin: this and that's what would happen to that letter if we're trying to get it to council

[1:41:45] Trustee Busheikin: in um in june which is very soon there was a suggestion that the chair could be um authorized

[1:41:54] Trustee Busheikin: to approve it does that need a motion i i am yeah that's a question for staff or can the group write

[1:42:02] Trustee Busheikin: it and I as chair would use my chair prerogative to approve it and it would go straight to council

[1:42:09] Trustee Busheikin: I think that's a question for director Marler what how can this be done yeah

[1:42:18] Voice 2: I think a resolution

[1:42:19] Voice 2: of the committee just to provide the authorization to be the easiest way if

[1:42:26] Trustee Busheikin: the committee would like

[1:42:29] Trustee Busheikin: to go ahead and do that then let's have a resolution if not the letter would come back

[1:42:35] Trustee Busheikin: to our next meeting so i'm i'm just going to give people another moment if they want to make that

[1:42:47] Trustee Busheikin: resolution we might get the letter done for council if not it can come back to one another

[1:42:52] Voice 27: uh trustee what i maybe if let's let the working group see if they can get met and get this letter

[1:42:59] Voice 27: drafted if it if you know if it works quickly then we could always ask for an rwm uh you know

[1:43:06] Voice 27: i so i think let's just see if we get the meeting going and then the timing will present itself

[1:43:10] Voice 27: okay i

[1:43:13] Trustee Busheikin: mean an rwm can open up all kinds of wordsmithing and such like but um if that's

[1:43:18] Trustee Busheikin: uh let's see how it goes it is pretty a quick turnaround anyway so it may not be realistic

[1:43:23] Trustee Busheikin: let's see what we can do and um given that i am i declare this topic done for today but not

[1:43:34] Trustee Busheikin: not at all done um but i just want to thank everyone for what was a really um very difficult

[1:43:40] Trustee Busheikin: difficult to me, a difficult discussion, not in terms of us being difficult at all, but just the

[1:43:47] Trustee Busheikin: complexity of what we're dealing with. And I want to thank everyone for just kind of sticking with

[1:43:53] Trustee Busheikin: it and coming to some kind of conclusions and staff for your support. That was probably the

[1:43:57] Trustee Busheikin: most epic discussion of an item on the follow-up action list I've ever experienced. So maybe we

[1:44:05] Trustee Busheikin: we can all take a breath. And it is now 1146. I'm going to just keep us moving. I'm assuming

[1:44:12] Trustee Busheikin: we'll take a lunch break at noon. And okay, a chat from Trustee Patrick, she may drop out.

[1:44:19] Trustee Busheikin: Is there anything else on the follow up action list that people want to point out or discuss?

[1:44:30] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, great. So let's move into the business section of the agenda. There is this shore

[1:44:37] Trustee Busheikin: Shore Zone Polygon Mapping Report, which is here.

[1:44:42] Trustee Busheikin: I believe it is here for information

[1:44:47] Trustee Busheikin: and should be forwarded to council,

[1:44:49] Trustee Busheikin: but I would, is this something

[1:44:52] Trustee Busheikin: that Director Marlowe would speak to?

[1:44:56] Voice 2: Yeah, so through the chair,

[1:44:58] Voice 2: my apologies for not having a briefing on RFD on this.

[1:45:01] Voice 2: It was just a timing issue.

[1:45:03] Voice 2: So this report, this is a strategic plan item.

[1:45:06] Voice 2: This is the eelgrass mapping that was done at level one using airfalto interpretation.

[1:45:14] Voice 2: They flew a helicopter over several days at the lowest tides and used that data, along with other data, to determine the location of the eelgrass.

[1:45:26] Voice 2: Because it's level one, in the report, you'll see that they've indicated a confidence level and the maps will show that confidence level.

[1:45:35] Voice 2: So some areas are highly confident in the boundaries, other areas because of the depth or the inability to see the edges of the eelgrass, they're not as confident.

[1:45:46] Voice 2: So, this information will be loaded onto our tapir system, be available to planners, and if we're going to use it for planning purposes,

[1:45:55] Voice 2: such as we need accurate outlines of the polygons, for example, for a development permit area or some other planning project,

[1:46:04] Voice 2: project for those areas that do need additional work that work would be done at the project level

[1:46:11] Voice 2: that is if you're doing an LCP amendment we would factor in the need to do some more work with

[1:46:18] Voice 2: respect to the eelgrass polygons if we if that's important in that particular project so I think

[1:46:25] Voice 2: this it's a good data set nations first nations are definitely interested the province is interested

[1:46:32] Voice 2: in it and we will be sharing that as well.

[1:46:37] Voice 2: So what we suggest is a resolution

[1:46:40] Voice 2: to forward to trust council and it will write

[1:46:43] Voice 2: an RFD to council just from to receive it

[1:46:46] Voice 2: and make sure that all the local trust committees

[1:46:49] Voice 2: are aware of it as well.

[1:46:53] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, Trustee Stamford.

[1:46:56] Voice 5: Hi,

[1:47:00] Voice 30: thank you, David.

[1:47:02] Voice 30: I'm just wondering, is there an opportunity

[1:47:04] Voice 30: for this report to be shared with third-party data organizers,

[1:47:11] Voice 30: such as the Marine Reference Guide in the Howe Sound area.

[1:47:15] Voice 30: It's the local Squamish First Nation has indicated

[1:47:20] Voice 30: that is where they'd like to see data sets for this area

[1:47:26] Voice 30: added into that particular project.

[1:47:30] Voice 2: Yeah, absolutely.

[1:47:31] Voice 2: Absolutely. So through the chair, if anybody, you know, if anybody's interested, they can just send us an email or a letter requesting the data. And we do have a data sharing agreements that IS will enter into with anybody that would like to use that.

[1:47:47] Voice 2: Thank

[1:47:51] Trustee Busheikin: you. Anything else? Okay. So we'll need a resolution to forward the report and mapping

[1:48:06] Trustee Busheikin: to Trust Council for information. There's that wording I took from our agenda. And I see Trustee

[1:48:12] Trustee Busheikin: Peterson making that via that Regional Planning Committee forward, the shore zone polygon mapping,

[1:48:20] Trustee Busheikin: and I don't see it anymore.

[1:48:24] Trustee Busheikin: Forward the Shore Zone Polygon Mapping Summary Report

[1:48:26] Trustee Busheikin: Eelgrass and the Gulf Islands

[1:48:28] Voice 4: Trust

[1:48:29] Trustee Busheikin: Area to Council.

[1:48:33] Trustee Busheikin: So that is the motion, a seconder?

[1:48:36] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[1:48:38] Trustee Busheikin: Seconder?

[1:48:40] Trustee Busheikin: I'll second it.

[1:48:44] Trustee Busheikin: Any further discussion?

[1:48:50] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Peterson?

[1:48:53] Voice 7: Yeah, go ahead.

[1:48:54] Voice 17: Yeah, I just wanted to check with Director Marler

[1:48:57] Voice 17: or whether he wanted us to include any direction

[1:49:00] Voice 17: about adding a briefing or if he's just going to do that.

[1:49:06] Voice 2: Yeah, I'll just add this.

[1:49:08] Voice 2: I should have had one on this agenda.

[1:49:10] Voice 2: So it's just part of our process.

[1:49:13] Voice 2: I'll definitely do it for council.

[1:49:16] Voice 2: Thank you. Okay, thank you.

[1:49:19] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so I'm going to call the question.

[1:49:22] Voice 17: I see Trustee

[1:49:23] Voice 17: Fenton waving his hand too.

[1:49:24] Voice 17: Sorry,

[1:49:24] Trustee Busheikin: thank you so much.

[1:49:26] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Fenton, please go ahead.

[1:49:28] Trustee Busheikin: Is

[1:49:29] Voice 21: this just a question regarding its use?

[1:49:31] Voice 21: is it going to be like picking this data will actually be implemented and used as our as one

[1:49:37] Voice 21: of the decision-making tools yes

[1:49:40] Voice 2: through the chair the intent and this will be in the rfd to

[1:49:44] Voice 2: trust council is we'll definitely make sure all the local trust committees are aware of it

[1:49:49] Voice 2: um so if you if a local trust committee or any other group is doing planning work along the

[1:49:55] Voice 2: shoreline um this information will help so for example determining location of docks could be

[1:50:02] Voice 2: confused for that uh it could be like to have a development area to protect your grass or other

[1:50:08] Voice 2: um other sensitive um issues along the shoreline so it will be used in that in that level okay

[1:50:18] Voice 21: well that's good and um upland development is also impacted dramatically uh or i should say

[1:50:24] Voice 21: impacts the shoreline so I think this feeds well into that sort of insight as far as that bigger

[1:50:31] Voice 21: picture yeah thank you thank

[1:50:36] Trustee Busheikin: you okay any other comments or questions okay I'm going to call the

[1:50:43] Trustee Busheikin: question so all in favor raise your hand in

[1:50:48] Voice 28: favor again okay

[1:50:50] Trustee Busheikin: and I see trustee Fenton put his

[1:50:52] Trustee Busheikin: physical hand up so that's one two three four five six seven in favor um and everyone lower your hand

[1:51:04] Trustee Busheikin: and anyone against okay so no one is against that motion carries thank you good to see this going

[1:51:14] Trustee Busheikin: forward and

[1:51:16] Voice 12: even may switch for you um

[1:51:19] Trustee Busheikin: sorry there were two two there was a question so let i'll take

[1:51:24] Trustee Busheikin: the question because that's what i'm hearing it was another

[1:51:26] Voice 28: question jane i i meant to ask it um

[1:51:30] Voice 28: is there mapping uh a finer scale of mapping for um some of the other islands apart from

[1:51:37] Voice 28: uh thetis and penelaket and um so on um

[1:51:44] Voice 2: so how do you mean find the scale i'm not sure what the

[1:51:46] Voice 2: question is um

[1:51:47] Voice 28: well if you if you look on page 10 of the report or 46 of the of the package it's

[1:51:53] Voice 28: It's quite, you know, there's quite a detail of Penelaket and Thetis.

[1:51:58] Voice 28: And on page 38, there's a higher level map of other areas.

[1:52:05] Voice 28: And I just wondered if they have produced mapping that is at a finer scale.

[1:52:15] Voice 2: Oh, I see.

[1:52:16] Voice 2: The mapping is done at the same scale for all the islands.

[1:52:18] Voice 2: These are just examples, different levels that they've put in the report.

[1:52:22] Voice 2: but the actual mapping is to the same scale.

[1:52:25] Voice 28: Okay, and can we get copies of those other ones?

[1:52:30] Voice 2: Yeah, I'm not sure if the PDF them,

[1:52:32] Voice 2: it's a data in our system,

[1:52:36] Voice 2: but I can talk to IS and see if we can get PDFs

[1:52:39] Voice 2: or if they provide the PDFs, we can forward them to you.

[1:52:42] Voice 28: Okay, that would be great, thank you.

[1:52:43] Voice 2: Okay, can you email me on that just so I don't forget?

[1:52:46] Voice 28: Yeah, I will.

[1:52:47] Voice 28: Okay.

[1:52:48] Voice 28: When I can.

[1:52:49] Voice 2: Yeah, and if I may, through the chair.

[1:52:52] Voice 28: Mm-hmm, great.

[1:52:52] Voice 2: Before you move on.

[1:52:53] Voice 2: yeah so I just wanted to comment that we also piggybacked on this project because we had such

[1:53:00] Voice 2: good air photography the Islands Trust Conservancy put money in to do the bulk help mapping as well

[1:53:07] Voice 2: so when you look at the strategic plan item it's eelgrass and bulk help and this actually

[1:53:14] Voice 2: completes both of those the bulk help was done through the ITC and the eelgrass through the

[1:53:19] Voice 2: local planning committee. The ITC also put in a few thousand dollars to finish off the eelgrass

[1:53:27] Voice 2: because the quote came in just over the budget allocated by Trust Council. So Islands Trust

[1:53:35] Voice 2: Conservancy stepped up to make sure that we were able to finish it. So a thank you to Islands Trust

[1:53:42] Voice 2: as conservancy for that as well as doing the book health thank

[1:53:46] Trustee Busheikin: you yeah that

[1:53:49] Voice 5: is great okay

[1:53:52] Trustee Busheikin: um so

[1:53:53] Trustee Busheikin: we're done with this and um let's move on um it's noon i'd like to at least get the verbal update

[1:54:04] Trustee Busheikin: on um 7.2 and then we'll break for lunch uh director molly rahan is that is that

[1:54:13] Trustee Busheikin: um to do with the next item or nope okay no

[1:54:17] Voice 2: just forgot um i

[1:54:18] Voice 24: i would actually sorry it's uh narissa

[1:54:21] Voice 24: here um uh i would just i would actually um suggest that we uh i was i was going to speak

[1:54:29] Voice 24: to the 7.2 and 7.3 together okay um so

[1:54:36] Trustee Busheikin: um like maybe this is too democratic of me we could do

[1:54:44] Trustee Busheikin: do those now. My guess is that's going to be there's an eight minute video included in the

[1:54:50] Trustee Busheikin: 7.3, which sounds worthwhile. We could do those now and then have lunch or people let's just see

[1:54:57] Trustee Busheikin: a show of hands. If you're like, no, I need the break right now. I'm not seeing those hands. So

[1:55:06] Trustee Busheikin: let's power on. Oh, it's Jane. I

[1:55:11] Voice 28: wouldn't mind a break because I'm not sure when the power is

[1:55:14] Voice 28: coming back on and whether there'll be an opportunity to see the video right but I might

[1:55:19] Voice 28: be in a minority so I can go with the majority okay

[1:55:23] Voice 1: trustee

[1:55:24] Voice 28: be shaken uh sorry

[1:55:26] Voice 1: chair be shaken

[1:55:27] Voice 1: it's William um the the 7.2 or 7.4 is also somewhat related to 7.2 and 7.3 and um and so

[1:55:39] Voice 1: they're i'm just wondering if they would be better presented together okay

[1:55:45] Trustee Busheikin: um yeah and

[1:55:49] Trustee Busheikin: do you have any idea of a timeline for those three um

[1:55:56] Voice 24: it's sorry it's nurse here um i would suggest

[1:56:00] Voice 24: that presentation time might be um at least 20 minutes to a half an hour because of the uh the

[1:56:08] Voice 24: the video presentation?

[1:56:10] Voice 24: All right.

[1:56:11] Voice 1: And Chair Boucherkin, my verbal update

[1:56:15] Voice 1: will be about five minutes,

[1:56:17] Voice 1: but I would like to open it for questions

[1:56:20] Voice 1: and I'm not sure how long they'll take.

[1:56:23] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[1:56:23] Trustee Busheikin: I'm beginning to think we should just break for lunch

[1:56:26] Trustee Busheikin: and then settle in.

[1:56:27] Trustee Busheikin: But Trustee Peterson, he's saying, yeah, break for lunch.

[1:56:31] Voice 17: I was gonna suggest that we break for lunch.

[1:56:34] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:56:34] Trustee Busheikin: So let's break for lunch.

[1:56:36] Trustee Busheikin: lunch is half an hour doable. I know we usually take 45 minutes, but I just feel like we have a

[1:56:43] Trustee Busheikin: lot ahead of us. So let's take a half hour lunch break. Let's come back at 1230. And just have a

[1:56:52] Trustee Busheikin: nice relaxing lunch. In this

[1:56:55] Voice 23: case, I'm on the phone in case you wonder

[1:56:59] Voice 23: about the phone number.

[1:57:00] Voice 23: and i've got minimal reception so yeah

[1:57:03] Trustee Busheikin: it's um i mean we're doing pretty well considering um

[1:57:08] Trustee Busheikin: and and thanks and feel free to remind me if i don't know you're there and that kind of thing

[1:57:13] Trustee Busheikin: yeah great what's

[1:57:15] Voice 23: the rate rate hand number is that a star nine i

[1:57:20] Trustee Busheikin: don't know or star six

[1:57:24] Trustee Busheikin: um but i'll look and make sure that if i don't see your hand on the pro or con i'll check in with you

[1:57:30] Trustee Busheikin: okay thank you star six is to mute and unmute okay so i don't know what race hand

[1:57:37] Trustee Busheikin: is but you

[1:57:37] Trustee Busheikin: could ask robert barlow he knows everything

[1:57:39] Voice 22: that would be raised hand i believe are we

[1:57:58] Voice 28: breaking now maybe we already have okay yes

[1:58:05] Voice 19: we already have have a nice break

[2:23:44] Voice 14: Hi. Oh, I can't actually hear you.

[2:23:49] Voice 26: You don't hear me until I unmute. Yes, what can I do for you?

[2:23:53] Voice 26: You are

[2:23:54] Voice 26: being recorded, by the way.

[2:23:55] Voice 13: Okay, yeah. No, I was just going to say that I was going to share my screen.

[2:24:00] Voice 26: Yes, as soon as everybody's back and the chair reconvenes, then I will stop sharing.

[2:24:06] Voice 13: Yeah, okay.

[2:24:07] Voice 13: Hello,

[2:26:40] Voice 28: have we started?

[2:26:44] Voice 25: No, not yet.

[2:26:53] Voice 25: This

[2:26:54] Voice 23: is myself on my phone, just so you know. Thanks.

[2:26:57] Voice 25: Oh, yeah, got it.

[2:26:58] Voice 25: Hi,

[2:27:02] Voice 28: this is Jane. I'm connecting by phone as well.

[2:27:08] Voice 6: Jane by phone and who else was here by phone?

[2:27:14] Voice 28: Sorry, who else was by phone?

[2:27:18] Voice 26: Trustee Longrise.

[2:27:20] Voice 28: Okay. All right. I'm back.

[2:27:24] Voice 28: Okay.

[2:27:25] Voice 28: A little wild out here.

[2:27:28] Voice 6: It's 1229.

[2:27:30] Voice 6: What's that?

[2:27:31] Voice 6: Oh, it's 1229. So I'll wait that one more minute.

[2:27:37] Voice 26: Oh, it's 1231 in Victoria.

[2:27:39] Voice 26: Victoria. Oh,

[2:27:40] Trustee Busheikin: okay. Well, you know what I'm looking at? I'm not looking at my computer time.

[2:27:45] Trustee Busheikin: So, okay. Thank you. I'm going to reconvene the meeting. Thank you, everyone. We have a number

[2:27:53] Trustee Busheikin: of people on the phone, people with power outages. We are going to need to see how it goes.

[2:28:04] Trustee Busheikin: um so just before um turning it over to staff for the updates like i do wonder about the video

[2:28:10] Trustee Busheikin: given that i think that maybe half of us are here a third of us here by phone at this point

[2:28:17] Trustee Busheikin: um and other people have dicey connections it could be that we do not watch the video

[2:28:23] Trustee Busheikin: and we get a link to the video i'm certainly looking forward to seeing it um yeah maybe

[2:28:30] Trustee Busheikin: maybe we'll wait till we get there and we'll make that decision at that point.

[2:28:35] Trustee Busheikin: So, but I will turn it over now to planner Chadwick for the verbal update

[2:28:41] Trustee Busheikin: on the freshwater sustainability strategy.

[2:28:45] Voice 24: Yeah. Yeah. So, so I will, I will cover both the freshwater,

[2:28:50] Voice 24: the update on freshwater sustainability and the funding as well.

[2:28:53] Voice 24: We've sort of lumped in together here.

[2:28:55] Voice 24: um so because i because i sort of tucked the freshwater sustainability strategy update into

[2:29:01] Voice 24: the little um the brief that i provided so um so my intention was to um to provide an overview of

[2:29:09] Voice 24: of um where all the funding that we received from um healthy watersheds initiative where it went

[2:29:16] Voice 24: um and there's a lot of a lot to celebrate i would say um with that funding um so we did we

[2:29:23] Voice 24: We received $245,000 of funding, of which I think we almost used all of it.

[2:29:30] Voice 24: There was a substantial amount that was allotted to a youth and elder gathering, which was prohibited because of COVID.

[2:29:39] Voice 24: So alternatives were made, and I'll discuss that.

[2:29:42] Voice 24: But we did save a bit of money, which also enabled us to move that money towards doing some graphic design on the strategy.

[2:29:54] Voice 24: So in terms of the strategy, as I've identified,

[2:30:00] Voice 24: before some of the the biggest successes of that strategy were that that it did bring a number of

[2:30:05] Voice 24: folks together and um including cultural knowledge holders and um and in the end you know we now have

[2:30:14] Voice 24: a strategy uh that sort of identifies a number of different areas to move forward um in terms of

[2:30:19] Voice 24: um and i would also say that the the strategy has also um attracted some interest um from

[2:30:27] Voice 24: from potential, you know, potential other opportunities that are linked to some of the

[2:30:33] Voice 24: actions that we identify from, and these are coming from outside that we are sort of currently

[2:30:37] Voice 24: exploring. Next steps with the, with the strategy, because essentially, at this point, it is just a

[2:30:45] Voice 24: strategy. And, you know, to move to implementation, we need an implement, implementation plan and

[2:30:51] Voice 24: and communication strategy they're really really key to the success of this and while direction

[2:31:00] Voice 24: has been provided from trust council and the and the RPC to move forward into developing a policy

[2:31:06] Voice 24: document which is essentially an implementation plan or we we don't have we currently don't have

[2:31:13] Voice 24: staff resources or other resources to to move forward with that and the other area that was

[2:31:19] Voice 24: identified a priority and is sort of keep sort of we're reminded of it as a priority consistently

[2:31:27] Voice 24: is the importance of communications and engagement and again we currently don't have resources we

[2:31:34] Voice 24: don't have any resources allocated to development of any kind of plan for that so we're just sort

[2:31:40] Voice 24: of moving forward in bits and pieces so like our one step was to we now have the strategy

[2:31:48] Voice 24: uh the the graphic design strategy up on the website so here's a glimpse of it

[2:31:56] Voice 24: am i am i saving am i am i sharing my screen i'm not am i no okay here let me share screen

[2:32:07] Voice 24: um so here's a glimpse of the strategy the the graphic design strategy which is

[2:32:12] Voice 24: can you see it um

[2:32:15] Trustee Busheikin: we see the um the artwork uh around water yeah

[2:32:19] Voice 24: so that's that's part of it

[2:32:21] Voice 24: so that was that's part of um that was part of our indigenous engagement piece um and for some

[2:32:27] Voice 24: reason my computer is not allowing me to scroll up or down um on this document so um so i'm just

[2:32:36] Voice 24: going to unshare but i i was just going to show you uh that the the strategy yeah it's frozen so

[2:32:42] Voice 24: So I can send you a link to the to that.

[2:32:47] Voice 24: It's now posted on our our website and you'll be able to see it.

[2:32:53] Voice 24: So I'm just going to unshare now because I think the freezing has probably got to do with me.

[2:33:01] Voice 24: Oh, I don't know what's going on now.

[2:33:06] Voice 24: OK, now I guess now you're seeing the report.

[2:33:13] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[2:33:13] Voice 24: Yeah. So I know

[2:33:14] Trustee Busheikin: we're seeing. Yeah, we're seeing the staff report.

[2:33:16] Trustee Busheikin: okay

[2:33:17] Voice 24: so i don't i don't have to well i mean i can go through this but uh um so oh this is frozen

[2:33:26] Voice 24: oh it says i'm frozen either so yeah so that's where we're at with the with the strat it's still

[2:33:32] Voice 24: a strategy and you know we need we really don't have resources to to move it beyond where it is

[2:33:39] Voice 24: and um and you know the communications pieces are really critical um the in yeah um

[2:33:50] Voice 24: the good portion as i mentioned of that funding was directed towards indigenous youth engagement

[2:33:56] Voice 24: and the way that that um kind of emerged was that our cultural knowledge holders that were

[2:34:03] Voice 24: engaged in the development of our strategy they they um they asked us you know what are

[2:34:12] Voice 24: are you what about the youth how are you engaging the youth and because this was funding the funding

[2:34:17] Voice 24: priority was around um part of the priority was around um youth indigenous youth engagement the

[2:34:24] Voice 24: um the funders gave us a chunk of money um also that we could have access to funding and we asked

[2:34:31] Voice 24: not so much tribal council what would be important to them and at that time they had said they'd be

[2:34:36] Voice 24: interested in a youth and elders gathering um and and um so they they provided funding for that but

[2:34:46] Voice 24: the the gathering was not able to be um we weren't able to do the gathering even though it was really

[2:34:52] Voice 24: well organized and um so so and i i just wanted to highlight that jillian on our on staff um did a

[2:34:59] Voice 24: fabulous job working with not smart on the development of the youth programming so what

[2:35:04] Voice 24: What emerged was when we had Indigenous youth and elders talking circles and we had an aspiring leaders webinar series.

[2:35:14] Voice 24: And so that was I mean, it was really important learning for us, bringing the youth together with elders and with other knowledge holders,

[2:35:25] Voice 24: because there was a real hunger from the youth to learn more about their history and connect with elders.

[2:35:32] Voice 24: And the elders and the knowledge keepers were very happy to have an opportunity to share their knowledge.

[2:35:39] Voice 24: So that was very successful.

[2:35:43] Voice 24: And another aspect of our youth engagement included the training and hiring of two Indigenous youth for a Salt Spring restoration project.

[2:35:54] Voice 24: So Emma, you know, who's Gemma, who's part of our Trust Conservancy team and does a lot of, leads a lot of the restoration work, she's been wanting to engage Indigenous youth in projects for quite some time and hasn't known how to go about it.

[2:36:13] Voice 24: And so this project through NotSomat, so we were through our connection with NotSomat through this project, we were basically able to hand over the responsibilities for finding the youth and hiring the youth to them.

[2:36:29] Voice 24: And so we were able to, you know, finally sort of make this connection, which was very, very useful.

[2:36:35] Voice 24: And that project involved cultural knowledge holder, as well as, you know, by restoration biologist specialist. And so the youth learned a lot. And, and part of our part of the feedback for the, the, the webinar series, the questions were asked of the youth around how, you know, whether there are things,

[2:37:04] Voice 24: whether they would be interested in participating in restoration projects for example um and uh and

[2:37:10] Voice 24: a number of them said yes so um now we have those contacts which we never had before which is um

[2:37:16] Voice 24: which which is a really useful thing so um you know one of the biggest successes there was that

[2:37:21] Voice 24: we we we've got this connection now we've got a relationship with not smart um events planning

[2:37:28] Voice 24: um oh yeah i would add as well um they were very excited about this project because they'd been

[2:37:33] Voice 24: wanting to reinvigorate their youth council for quite some time and this provided with

[2:37:38] Voice 24: them with the opportunity uh to do that and um uh you know now now we have a we also have a better

[2:37:46] Voice 24: sense um as staff of how to support uh indigenous youth interests and and engage them in um in our

[2:37:53] Voice 24: work and you know it's clearly moving through organizations um like not smart tribal council

[2:37:59] Voice 24: So in terms of next steps for that project, we've got this, we've

[2:38:05] Voice 4: got, someone's

[2:38:10] Voice 6: got a microphone.

[2:38:12] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:38:15] Voice 24: Are we good? Should

[2:38:17] Voice 24: I keep going?

[2:38:17] Voice 8: Yeah, go ahead.

[2:38:19] Voice 24: Yeah, so we've got, so in terms of next steps, we've got this growing list of youth contacts, Indigenous youth contacts.

[2:38:26] Voice 24: And, you know, we've also identifying opportunities to further engage Indigenous youth, and that and we've got a meeting, there'll be an opportunity to present to not so much tribal council on the work that that we did with that, you know, that we can

[2:38:46] Voice 24: our money contributed or the the how this funding contributed to uh work done with uh indigenous

[2:38:52] Voice 24: youth um and how you know how we sort of was it was really a partnership um and like i said again

[2:38:58] Voice 24: uh jillian um did most of the wet leg work on that and did an amazing job um pulling all of

[2:39:04] Voice 24: that together um the other piece of this funding um because we happen to have a co-op student last

[2:39:12] Voice 24: summer, who was also a filmmaker. She's also a planning student in the Indigenous stream at

[2:39:22] Voice 24: UBC. We took advantage of her background and skills and hired her in the fall to create

[2:39:31] Voice 24: this Indigenous perspectives on water film, which I'll send you the link because I think

[2:39:37] Voice 24: given the technical challenges, it's probably better to watch it in the comfort of your own

[2:39:45] Voice 24: computer. And also my computer keeps glitching out, so I don't know that it would be successful

[2:39:53] Voice 24: showing it now. But when you see the film, so that film, it involves a number of, two of the

[2:40:02] Voice 24: cultural knowledge holders that that engaged in the development of our um freshwater sustainability

[2:40:08] Voice 24: plan our strategy sorry um and and elders and uh and there's even a youth voice in that film as

[2:40:17] Voice 24: well and it uh it really presents um you know what what we learned from the indigenous participants

[2:40:25] Voice 24: in this in this process and uh and i think it's it's a it's a great way for sharing that

[2:40:32] Voice 24: that with with others within the trust and and beyond and the Harold Joe is is one of the

[2:40:42] Voice 24: knowledge holders that is one of the the key contributors to this film he's actually a

[2:40:47] Voice 24: filmmaker himself and so we did work with his guidance as well and and we've had you know some

[2:40:55] Voice 24: really great reviews from other filmmakers um the uh others um uh that uh that have been that were

[2:41:04] Voice 24: engaged in it and um um so i'm i'm quite happy with that and i think you will be as well um again

[2:41:10] Voice 24: you know not having um resources for communications sort of has kind of held us back a little bit in

[2:41:18] Voice 24: terms of um the launch and release of that we also um we also want to put a little bit more time

[2:41:23] Voice 24: into cleaning up some of the sounds.

[2:41:26] Voice 24: So that's also another piece of this.

[2:41:28] Voice 24: So the link that I'm gonna be sending you,

[2:41:30] Voice 24: it's actually a private link,

[2:41:32] Voice 24: so it's not to be shared too far beyond

[2:41:35] Voice 24: sort of close contacts.

[2:41:38] Voice 24: The other project that the funding contributed to

[2:41:41] Voice 24: is the Galliano Eco-Cultural Mapping.

[2:41:44] Voice 24: So this was actually a project that

[2:41:46] Voice 24: the leadership of this project was,

[2:41:49] Voice 24: the manager of this project

[2:41:51] Voice 24: happened to be one of our knowledge keepers and this was where we we actually had to redirect

[2:41:55] Voice 24: funding that wasn't going to be used on Laskiti Island um in quite a short order um there was a

[2:42:02] Voice 24: small time frame but luckily uh these folks had a project that was um on the go to map um this one

[2:42:11] Voice 24: area on Galliano Island uh um and so their their process involves identifying the species that are

[2:42:19] Voice 24: and are there and um and also the stories the cultural stories that are related to this this

[2:42:25] Voice 24: area and they had a very very clear um project plan but had been um not able to continue very

[2:42:33] Voice 24: fast because of lack of funding so this funding allowed them to um complete their uh gis database

[2:42:41] Voice 24: and again i'll try and find the link i'll find the i'll send you the link to their project because

[2:42:46] Voice 24: it's quite impressive. They've developed a project toolkit which will help others that want to do

[2:42:52] Voice 24: similar process similar work to do it and they've developed a language education initiative

[2:42:59] Voice 24: including elders and youth. So again this is a project that has had been sort of like

[2:43:10] Voice 24: like, poking along, and this funding enabled them to really jump forward and complete some

[2:43:17] Voice 24: key aspects of their project. The other, there was some funding that was directed to the cultural

[2:43:26] Voice 24: heritage mapping, and I know that's been discussed with this group in the past. It would have,

[2:43:32] Voice 24: you know, basically allowed more to happen in the last few months than otherwise would have

[2:43:39] Voice 24: have happened. Then there was the watershed resilience mapping. Now, that was work that

[2:43:49] Voice 24: William managed. I know William's on the call. William, maybe you want to speak to that?

[2:43:55] Voice 1: Sure. So the watershed resilience mapping was done by a youth contractor, and that was

[2:44:06] Voice 1: was one of the stipulations of, not a stipulation,

[2:44:11] Voice 1: but it was an encouragement from the funding

[2:44:12] Voice 1: to have youth employment

[2:44:16] Voice 1: because it really was a pandemic relief program.

[2:44:20] Voice 1: Well, parts of it were anyway.

[2:44:23] Voice 1: And so this particular contractor was one of my students

[2:44:29] Voice 1: when I was teaching at University of Victoria.

[2:44:31] Voice 1: And he undertook this work as part of his honors thesis for the Capital Regional District for the Souq Watershed and for the drinking water source for Victoria.

[2:44:43] Voice 1: And they were quite pleased with the work.

[2:44:48] Voice 1: And so how I found about it is that the fellow's name is Landon.

[2:44:54] Voice 1: He gave a presentation to after he graduated to the class that I was teaching.

[2:45:00] Voice 1: And so we had discussions about this and we thought it would be a good pilot project to undertake this work in the areas which we were already doing, or the areas of the Islands Trust area where other Healthy Watersheds Initiative funding was going to, including the Hornby Water Stewardship.

[2:45:24] Voice 1: And so it ended up being a very successful project. And we got the methodology defined for determining watershed resilience. And this was using the vegetation resource inventory, which is a provincial data set.

[2:45:42] Voice 1: and also it's it i was kind of borrowing landon to to also through this project to to run some

[2:45:52] Voice 1: code for us for the islands trust groundwater recharge mapping project where um because i

[2:45:59] Voice 1: landon was working was contracting for us same time as our co-op student alex and those two

[2:46:05] Voice 1: work together to create a essential method that is now included in the Islands Trust

[2:46:13] Voice 1: Groundwater Recharge Mapping Project, which is looking at how the ecosystems intercept rainfall

[2:46:19] Voice 1: and so where it's not able to be recharged. And that was a part of the method that was missing.

[2:46:29] Voice 1: And so that was a great opportunity to have both of those two working together. They were

[2:46:35] Voice 1: are actually colleagues also from UVic and um it just goes to show the the importance and the

[2:46:42] Voice 1: success of of having co-op students and and being involved closely with academia um the Islands

[2:46:48] Voice 1: Trust area is a great place to do research and so that attracts um great and top level students

[2:46:55] Voice 1: so yeah it was it was an amazing opportunity yeah thanks uh

[2:47:02] Voice 24: William do you want to speak to the

[2:47:04] Voice 24: Hornby Island? Sure.

[2:47:06] Voice 1: Yeah, this is has been quite a success, actually. So the Hornby Island Healthy

[2:47:14] Voice 1: Watersheds Project is stewarded by the Hornby Water Stewardship. And this project is aligned

[2:47:23] Voice 1: with the Hornby Water Plan, which they developed, I think, back in 2016, in line with the Water

[2:47:31] Voice 1: sustainability act and um so this the money here went in two different directions one was capital

[2:47:40] Voice 1: purchases of laboratory testing equipment to do on island bacteriological sampling

[2:47:49] Voice 1: and then the other half of the money went to a young mother now she had her child during this

[2:47:58] Voice 1: time, which was really interesting, who went around and sampled set locations where through

[2:48:08] Voice 1: the water stewardship and myself, we identified to identify pathways where there is issues with

[2:48:19] Voice 1: E. coli and coliforms in well water and surface water, which is an issue on Hornby Island.

[2:48:27] Voice 1: and so this work has been essential to try to determine not the source of the contaminants but

[2:48:34] Voice 1: the pathway so we have measured ditches we have measured groundwater wells and this is

[2:48:42] Voice 1: and and so this has now established a legacy which will allow the Hornby water stewardship

[2:48:49] Voice 1: to continue on on island bacteriological testing for educational purposes only because they're not

[2:48:55] Voice 1: an accredited lab but to take a bacteriological sample to Comox costs about well with the ferries

[2:49:04] Voice 1: round trip like a hundred dollars or more where in this case we were able to get the sample cost

[2:49:10] Voice 1: down to about 10 bucks and so they're going to be continuously providing this service and

[2:49:15] Voice 1: they're working out of the Hornby Spark which is like a community building and it's just a great

[2:49:22] Voice 1: community story and exactly what the Healthy Watersheds Initiative was looking to do. And

[2:49:28] Voice 1: Islands Trust was the facilitator of that. And it shows the success of having the Islands Trust

[2:49:35] Voice 1: accepting money and then stewarding projects at the community level. So it was a great project.

[2:49:41] Voice 1: Thanks.

[2:49:43] Voice 24: Thanks, William. Yeah, so just to continue on here, there was the Salt Spring

[2:49:49] Voice 24: Spring Island Watershed Restoration Project,

[2:49:52] Voice 24: which was an initiative of the Conservancy,

[2:49:55] Voice 24: as I mentioned before, under the management of Gemma Green.

[2:50:00] Voice 24: And that was the project that engaged the Indigenous youth.

[2:50:06] Voice 24: And yeah, a lot was learned from that.

[2:50:09] Voice 24: I mean, it was an interesting project in and of itself

[2:50:12] Voice 24: because a midden was found during the process.

[2:50:16] Voice 24: process, and so that contributed to bringing a cultural knowledge holder on site and the

[2:50:24] Voice 24: development of some new protocols for watershed restoration work with respect to archaeological

[2:50:35] Voice 24: interests. So that was, so there was a number of really interesting things that came out

[2:50:40] Voice 24: of that project. What was sort of originally just going to be about the removal of invasive

[2:50:46] Voice 24: basis species and the replanting of an Indigenous species ended up being this collaborative

[2:50:52] Voice 24: engagement with Indigenous youth and cultural knowledge holders, leading to some new ways of

[2:50:58] Voice 24: doing things for us. So the one thing that I wanted to point out here is that all of these

[2:51:06] Voice 24: projects, when we first sort of kind of pitched them, I guess, to the funder, we were identifying

[2:51:13] Voice 24: these projects all as essentially demonstration projects, projects that demonstrate the kinds

[2:51:22] Voice 24: of things that would be supported by a strategy. So the strategy supports these types of projects.

[2:51:30] Voice 24: And once we can develop an implementation plan, we can have a better sense of where to direct

[2:51:41] Voice 24: potential you know future funds um the kinds of funds to be asking for at the end uh at each

[2:51:48] Voice 24: fiscal and so forth and direct them to towards these types of projects which i mean every single

[2:51:55] Voice 24: one of these had a significant um significant uh contribution um to uh the uh you know the the

[2:52:05] Voice 24: the islands, the islands themselves, the people that were engaged and more broadly to the islands

[2:52:13] Voice 24: trust. So, you know, it is something that we need to be thinking about, I think, as we move into the

[2:52:19] Voice 24: next, the next term. And, you know, as I've indicated here, like in the absence of funding

[2:52:28] Voice 24: for communication engagement staff are going to be focusing on um on uh developing information

[2:52:35] Voice 24: for newly elected officials and we are working i would also point out that you know both william

[2:52:40] Voice 24: and i are working on the implementation of um the groundwater sustainability project which is

[2:52:45] Voice 24: essentially um you know a freshwater sustainability project um and you know that will that that will

[2:52:52] Voice 24: will include some communications materials but that's really our focus right now is on those

[2:52:58] Voice 24: those specific LTC projects and there will be benefits I think you know from a communications

[2:53:03] Voice 24: perspective and from others for the the greater islands trust but at this point in time you know

[2:53:13] Voice 24: the the time you know it needs to be a coordinated internal process with you know a clear

[2:53:19] Voice 24: a clear focus at a management level and not having a plan or planning director in place at the moment, it's not a good time for us to be focusing on that. So, yeah, that's, that's what I'll say. And so what I will do is I will send you the links to the, to the document itself, the freshwater sustainability plan and the end to the video.

[2:53:46] Voice 24: And actually, the other point that I'll just mention is we've just heard that there's funding available to focus on Indigenous-led programs with priority going to those where funding was directed to from this Healthy Watersheds Initiative program.

[2:54:10] Voice 24: program. So there's a potential for that and we've been, you know, we've been told, we just

[2:54:18] Voice 24: received notice. So that is an opportunity. But again, our challenging, our challenge right now

[2:54:23] Voice 24: is staffing. So just putting that out there. Thank

[2:54:34] Trustee Busheikin: you. So yeah, thank you for that report.

[2:54:38] Trustee Busheikin: And, you know, also, I just want, you know, to pause and take in for a moment the breadth of this work and the new ways of working, particularly in terms of the, like, true collaboration with First Nations.

[2:54:56] Trustee Busheikin: and I remember at the beginning of term talking about how valuable it would be to collaborate

[2:55:02] Trustee Busheikin: more with academic institutions and academics and bring that in and I see this happening here

[2:55:07] Trustee Busheikin: and it was a big project and I you know I was part of the steering committee and that was

[2:55:15] Trustee Busheikin: really rewarding so I just want to you know say well done to staff and to RPC and to everyone

[2:55:24] Trustee Busheikin: everyone involved in this and then I will open this up for comments and questions trustee Patrick

[2:55:31] Trustee Busheikin: always

[2:55:34] Voice 27: me uh thank you for this report and it is exciting to see work occurring on the ground I

[2:55:42] Voice 27: just wanted to follow up you you had a comment about you know preparing for these kind of

[2:55:46] Voice 27: projects for our budget um I like the report I think there's some things that could be potentially

[2:55:52] Voice 27: essentially built not built but captured I guess is the right word from this experience is that to

[2:56:00] Voice 27: me this demonstrates the in cooperation with part of our mandate which is vitally important and

[2:56:06] Voice 27: critical and necessary for water and so I think just that you know what agreements were created

[2:56:16] Voice 27: because there probably are some protocols or agreements that were created for some of these

[2:56:19] Voice 27: these arrangements that would be, you know, useful for as like templates or for, you know,

[2:56:27] Voice 27: to be done over and over again? Who were the partners for each of these projects? You know,

[2:56:32] Voice 27: how were they liaised with? How were they worked with? You know, what was the glue, I guess you

[2:56:39] Voice 27: could say, to making these projects successful? Because I don't see the funding sources just

[2:56:46] Voice 27: just being our budget, I think this is where, you know, finding more of these kind of things to have

[2:56:53] Voice 27: ready, you know, ready to go after any funding sources that become available through grants or

[2:57:00] Voice 27: other means, that, you know, the more we can build this into, like I said, ready templates and forms

[2:57:08] Voice 27: that we can take advantage of those other opportunities as partners become available,

[2:57:14] Voice 27: available and or you know are we the or some grants required that you have a partner such

[2:57:19] Voice 27: as us or a regional district that is the the person going for the grant so that would be my

[2:57:25] Voice 27: just my recommendation is to make sure we're capturing the the lessons learned from this

[2:57:28] Voice 27: exercise in such a way that we can bundle them back in a package as these opportunities come

[2:57:33] Voice 27: forward thank

[2:57:37] Trustee Busheikin: you go ahead planner travis yeah

[2:57:41] Voice 24: the one thing i just wanted to mention is is that

[2:57:43] Voice 24: there's a good portion of, well, I would say this whole project was done at the side of

[2:57:47] Voice 24: my desk and William's desk. And that when you bring in funding to an organization,

[2:57:55] Voice 24: there has to be dedicated staff resources for the project to be effective. I mean,

[2:58:02] Voice 24: you know, we're passionate about this. So, you know, we didn't want to let it go. But,

[2:58:06] Voice 24: But but, you know, I think that that's why an implementation plan is critical, because that'll identify how to allocate internal resources to to being able to handle funding, because we potentially have funding opportunities, but we may that we may not be able to take

[2:58:31] Voice 24: advantage of because we we simply do not have the uh the staff resources to do it thank

[2:58:43] Trustee Busheikin: you and i

[2:58:44] Trustee Busheikin: just have one comment um there's lots i could say but i'll pick and choose um uh you know as

[2:58:51] Trustee Busheikin: opportunities of this nature uh continue and hopefully that implementation plan will happen

[2:58:58] Trustee Busheikin: and the staffing issues will be at least somewhat resolved and the funding will come in and it will

[2:59:03] Trustee Busheikin: we'll keep going. I do know that it seems like the collaboration with First Nations was

[2:59:12] Trustee Busheikin: within the southern region, and, you know, it doesn't always have to be balanced, but I just

[2:59:18] Trustee Busheikin: would encourage that in future that there be just a note of that, and that that kind of collaboration

[2:59:24] Trustee Busheikin: be developed in the northern region also, because it's mostly different nations up here.

[2:59:32] Trustee Busheikin: Otherwise, I think that the beginning of next term and next term strategic plan is going

[2:59:41] Trustee Busheikin: to be really crucial for moving forward with all the potential that's been created here.

[2:59:48] Trustee Busheikin: So trustees who are planning to run again and who may be here next term, let's all take

[2:59:54] Trustee Busheikin: note of that.

[2:59:55] Trustee Busheikin: that. Any other comments or questions?

[3:00:04] Trustee Busheikin: not seeing any. So again, thank you for this. And I look forward to the the film. And I gather

[3:00:16] Trustee Busheikin: you'll let us know when the film actually becomes available for public because I let people know

[3:00:21] Trustee Busheikin: about it. You know, do some social media posts and talk it up. Good. Okay. Thank you. So the next

[3:00:32] Trustee Busheikin: Next is 7.4 Groundwater Sustainability Science Program

[3:00:38] Trustee Busheikin: verbal update.

[3:00:39] Trustee Busheikin: And I believe that is our freshwater specialist,

[3:00:42] Trustee Busheikin: William Schulbaum.

[3:00:44] Voice 1: Yeah, hey, Nerissa, you're still sharing your screen.

[3:00:50] Voice 24: Robert, are you able to get me to unshare?

[3:00:52] Voice 24: Because for some reason,

[3:00:53] Voice 24: I'm just having like tremendous technical problems.

[3:00:56] Voice 24: I think I've got too many things open.

[3:01:01] Voice 24: Okay, thanks.

[3:01:02] Voice 1: There we go.

[3:01:03] Trustee Busheikin: Jillian, you can contact me.

[3:01:05] Trustee Busheikin: sorry i saw her note and i i would love to i would love to hear what she has to say hey hi

[3:01:14] Voice 1: uh thank you thank you chair uh nice to see you again and um thank you to the rpc for

[3:01:23] Voice 1: um having this um someone is definitely making noise or not nurse can you meet yourself oh yeah

[3:01:29] Voice 13: yeah sorry um

[3:01:31] Voice 1: and um yeah i um well i'm not going to apologize but uh you're aware that there isn't

[3:01:39] Voice 1: a a memo um i wanted to add a bunch of things in an appendix to a briefing to the rpc um

[3:01:49] Voice 1: just those uh elements are still in progress and they're items of of individual ltcs and so i

[3:01:58] Voice 1: really didn't want to get ahead of those ltcs by having them reach the rpc agenda first so um i'll

[3:02:05] Voice 1: have a more wholesome update for you at your next meeting in august with a briefing that will cover

[3:02:12] Voice 1: the topics that i'll just give an update to today so my first verbal update is on the islands trust

[3:02:21] Voice 1: Trust Area Groundwater Recharge Mapping Project.

[3:02:24] Voice 1: And that project is in the last year

[3:02:31] Voice 1: of a multi-year project that was funded

[3:02:35] Voice 1: well, through different means.

[3:02:39] Voice 1: It started off with funding

[3:02:41] Voice 1: from the Southern Gulf Island Local Trust Committees.

[3:02:44] Voice 1: And then the second part or step of that project

[3:02:49] Voice 1: was funded by trust council but through the regional planning committee and then again this

[3:02:56] Voice 1: year we put in a business case for this year's budget to complete the project and so the request

[3:03:08] Voice 1: for proposal closed on May 5th and tomorrow I'll be meeting with the province and an evaluation

[3:03:15] Voice 1: team, which consists of an island trust planner, myself, and a hydrogeologist from the province.

[3:03:23] Voice 1: And we're going to choose a proponent who will then undertake the project for this year. And

[3:03:29] Voice 1: that includes a three-dimensional aquifer conceptualization mapping and modeling of

[3:03:39] Voice 1: of several islands, including Salt Spring Island,

[3:03:43] Voice 1: Thetis and Liskiti.

[3:03:46] Voice 1: And if there's available data, some other select islands.

[3:03:50] Voice 1: The recharge mapping will be done on islands

[3:03:55] Voice 1: in the Howe Sound, including Bowen, Gambier, Anvil, Keats,

[3:04:01] Voice 1: Thurmanby, as well as Liskiti, Thetis, Valdez, Salt Spring

[3:04:07] Voice 1: and some select associated islands including James and Sydney and so it's really exciting

[3:04:17] Voice 1: and that will kind of holistically complete the recharge mapping project for the island trust area

[3:04:25] Voice 1: and as part of that budget we're going to be working with a consultant and either they will

[3:04:33] Voice 1: will be subcontracting a uh communications or graphic designer or islands trust will to have a

[3:04:40] Voice 1: cohesive document to um to share with the public so there will be a much like the couch and valley

[3:04:51] Voice 1: regional district did with their drinking water watershed protection program where they had

[3:04:54] Voice 1: a technical document that was submitted to staff and it was still public but their

[3:05:01] Voice 1: Their educational document was more of a, they call it a summary document, where it has more of an educational spin around the different elements of that program.

[3:05:14] Voice 1: And I'm going to take the similar approach here, where we're going to receive the consultant's document, and that's largely intended for staff and for whomever else wants to get into the technical weeds of the project.

[3:05:30] Voice 1: and then there will be a forward-facing document that will also be available that is more

[3:05:38] Voice 1: consumptive for for the public and um and um for perhaps more suited for trustees as well

[3:05:46] Voice 1: um so that is the groundwater recharge mapping project and um i i'll just continue on and and

[3:05:54] Voice 1: get questions at the end of my update if that's the right chair so um the the next project that

[3:06:01] Voice 1: I want to talk to is, Narissa alluded to it, it is the Groundwater Sustainability Implementation

[3:06:08] Voice 1: Project and that is a top priority project of two LTCs, the Galliano LTC as well as the North Pender

[3:06:16] Voice 1: and currently we are working with the LTCs to move forward several elements of groundwater

[3:06:26] Voice 1: protection and the one I want to speak with you today is related to the Recharge Mapping Project

[3:06:31] Voice 1: So in the case of Galliano and North Bender, we have developed a methodology to determine development permit area boundaries for groundwater recharge protection, and that is using the raw data from the groundwater recharge mapping project.

[3:06:49] Voice 1: And then we have then determined the critical areas of that recharge.

[3:06:56] Voice 1: So looking at the highest amount of recharge potential and the most significant amounts.

[3:07:04] Voice 1: And the current methodology that we'll be presenting to the local trust committees is determined on how much of that recharge area is on one particular parcel.

[3:07:17] Voice 1: parcel and and the area in which it occupies will determine if that if an individual parcel will be

[3:07:24] Voice 1: included in the development permit area or not um that might sound a little confusing because it

[3:07:29] Voice 1: it's it is complex and so I'll just yield to that right now and when that reaches the agenda packages

[3:07:36] Voice 1: of the LTC then those discussions will be had and I'm really looking forward to hearing the

[3:07:41] Voice 1: discussion it's kind of a unique approach to development permit areas and I've been working

[3:07:45] Voice 1: working closely with Planner Chadwick and Regional Planning Manager Kajima and they've

[3:07:52] Voice 1: been fielding my ideas and guiding me in a good way.

[3:07:58] Voice 1: So that project is ongoing and it's really exciting to see that work land on the local

[3:08:05] Voice 1: trust committee tables in a good way.

[3:08:09] Voice 1: um okay so the the the next um update i just wanted to quickly update you on is the proof

[3:08:16] Voice 1: of water bylaw that was reached the salt spring island local trust committee uh meeting yesterday

[3:08:24] Voice 1: tuesday yep and we had a really great discussion with the salt spring island local trust committee

[3:08:31] Voice 1: um gave us really excellent feedback this is a project that i've been working with planner

[3:08:36] Voice 1: yeomans and planner gordon and we've been working really closely with the province they have offered

[3:08:42] Voice 1: us a lot of time for review of the bylaw and in in the hopes that this will um be used as a model

[3:08:51] Voice 1: proof of water bylaw that can be a starting point for other local trust committees

[3:08:59] Voice 1: of course every local trust committee will have their different interests and different

[3:09:03] Voice 1: different opinions and needs of updates to the bylaw or changes, but we're in a good place,

[3:09:10] Voice 1: and it's a very modern bylaw. It considers saltwater intrusion risk and considers the

[3:09:16] Voice 1: Water Sustainability Act and the Groundwater Protection Regulation, as well as provincial

[3:09:23] Voice 1: guidance documents for undertaking things like pumping tests. So it's a real solid bylaw,

[3:09:32] Voice 1: i think and and we got some really significant feedback from the ltc with that we're going to

[3:09:37] Voice 1: consider and then um one of the largest um or one of the main resolutions from the ltc was to

[3:09:44] Voice 1: come back with draft communications and it just resonated with me on how much

[3:09:49] Voice 1: communications we need through planning as well and and so we have to work with the planner on

[3:09:54] Voice 1: that and and hopefully some other staff to to ensure that we have a good draft communications

[3:10:00] Voice 1: for the LTC to consider to move this bylaw forward

[3:10:03] Voice 1: to first reading.

[3:10:05] Voice 1: And then just two other quick projects that I'm working,

[3:10:08] Voice 1: or while I'm working on several rezoning applications

[3:10:11] Voice 1: on Galliano and one on Denman Island,

[3:10:14] Voice 1: and there's a use of groundwater assessment

[3:10:18] Voice 1: and at varying degrees,

[3:10:21] Voice 1: because the Southern Gulf Islands has more project work

[3:10:27] Voice 1: work on groundwater than Denman Island has, especially with looking at regional groundwater

[3:10:34] Voice 1: availability assessments. And so it's been really interesting to see how those rezonings

[3:10:41] Voice 1: play out in different areas of the Islands Trust Area. And the last one that I'm really

[3:10:48] Voice 1: interested in that I was working with Planner Chadwick is on the main alternative housing,

[3:10:52] Voice 1: where we worked with the LTC to determine where a pilot project would go forward

[3:11:02] Voice 1: for looking at alternative housing strategies by considering groundwater vulnerabilities.

[3:11:09] Voice 1: And we had the opportunity to discuss with the LTC on the fly challenges with the data

[3:11:18] Voice 1: and challenges and perhaps discussion of associated errors.

[3:11:23] Voice 1: And it was a great reconnaissance tool to then have a good discussion

[3:11:28] Voice 1: on where to attempt to look at these pilot areas considering groundwater.

[3:11:36] Voice 1: And I think that shows the flexibility of having robust science done

[3:11:44] Voice 1: done in a professional reliance model,

[3:11:47] Voice 1: and then having not to toot my own horn,

[3:11:51] Voice 1: but to have the expertise of a hydrogeologist on staff

[3:11:53] Voice 1: to then work closely with the LTCs in real time

[3:11:57] Voice 1: on addressing groundwater risk.

[3:12:01] Voice 1: So that's all I have for my update

[3:12:05] Voice 1: and I'm open for questions.

[3:12:07] Voice 1: Thank you chair for the time.

[3:12:12] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you so much for the update and for all that work.

[3:12:17] Trustee Busheikin: and it's, yeah, it's great to hear about so much going on

[3:12:23] Trustee Busheikin: and being put to use.

[3:12:26] Trustee Busheikin: So are there comments or questions

[3:12:28] Trustee Busheikin: from anyone on the committee?

[3:12:32] Trustee Busheikin: Yes, go ahead, Trustee Patrick.

[3:12:34] Voice 27: Yeah, because I saw you nodding your head up and down

[3:12:37] Voice 27: when you heard William talk about the communications

[3:12:40] Voice 27: and the importance of communications.

[3:12:42] Voice 27: I think that's something every one of us needs to look at

[3:12:45] Voice 27: from our federation hats down to our local trust committee hats is that we must budget for and

[3:12:54] Voice 27: account for planning how we communicate these things, whether it's something you think is small

[3:13:01] Voice 27: or big. It's especially when we're in this technical information that's quite complex and

[3:13:07] Voice 27: not always straightforward to understand. And not only to the trustees to understand it,

[3:13:14] Voice 27: the community to receive the information and understand what what does this mean and where

[3:13:19] Voice 27: is it going so i think it's just a a warning that we've got to make sure we are building

[3:13:24] Voice 27: ample budgets uh when we plan our projects um and always consider the communications piece to it

[3:13:32] Voice 11: um i

[3:13:33] Voice 28: wanted to comment yeah is that

[3:13:36] Voice 28: changed yes yes it's stated um i just wanted to say how much i

[3:13:40] Voice 28: I appreciate William's work with the Galliano community.

[3:13:44] Voice 28: It's been really challenging,

[3:13:46] Voice 28: and he's managed to make very complex issues

[3:13:54] Voice 28: quite a bit more understandable.

[3:13:57] Voice 28: And that communication, I mean,

[3:14:01] Voice 28: we have, I know, taken a lot of his time

[3:14:04] Voice 28: to communicate with our community.

[3:14:08] Voice 28: And so I just, I want to, it's a really key part of this.

[3:14:16] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[3:14:18] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, and I just wanted to add, because I was nodding about the communication, that, you know, planners need to do planning, and they do a lot of communication.

[3:14:29] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, that is part of what they do, but communications is truly a profession with, you know, a great deal of training and keeping up with newest practices.

[3:14:40] Trustee Busheikin: It's an ever-changing world in communication, and you really need communications professionals on board.

[3:14:50] Trustee Busheikin: So, and I think it makes a huge difference and allows our communities to understand what we're doing and to come to us, to collaborate with us, to communicate with us in public consultations in a meaningful way, to vote in a meaningful way.

[3:15:12] Trustee Busheikin: i mean there's so much involved so yeah i'm just kind of adding some words to my nodding

[3:15:16] Trustee Busheikin: around that and i uh now we'll turn it over to i don't know if that's doug or peter in that uh box

[3:15:23] Trustee Busheikin: there with their hand up but go ahead yeah

[3:15:27] Voice 19: it would be uh peter here um i just want to acknowledge

[3:15:30] Voice 19: the work of william shoba and just to sort of point my thoughts or point you towards my thoughts

[3:15:37] Voice 19: on this and that as William said this is a modern bylaw taking into consideration new legislation

[3:15:43] Voice 19: new practices new understanding and indeed the conversation at the Salt Spring LTC

[3:15:48] Voice 19: yesterday was quite far-reaching in fact looking into water uses and housing and development

[3:15:56] Voice 19: into the future and taking into consideration how this bylaw can be positioned to facilitate

[3:16:04] Voice 19: that subdivision work, which is actually just a tool for staff to facilitate the subdivision

[3:16:11] Voice 19: process. But what I find intriguing and interesting in this is that over the years, we've

[3:16:16] Voice 19: developed template bylaws or whatever we call it these days and sort of done that initial work and

[3:16:24] Voice 19: then put that out and then had very little take up, which seems to be the pattern because, of course,

[3:16:29] Voice 19: not that LTCs don't want to take it up, but because there's other priorities and the like.

[3:16:34] Voice 19: What we've got here is a real bylaw on the ground. Didn't get to first reading yesterday

[3:16:38] Voice 19: because we asked for a couple of tweaks, but we'll get to first reading and we'll be adopted by an

[3:16:43] Voice 19: LTC. And what's beautiful is that that work and the communication strategy and all this other

[3:16:50] Voice 19: learning could easily be picked up by other LTCs. And I would look forward to not abandoning the

[3:16:57] Voice 19: concept of templates but indeed let's get the work on the ground that's being done that's current

[3:17:02] Voice 19: and implementing it in all those situations where it's needed so thank you william you and your team

[3:17:08] Trustee Busheikin: thank you um

[3:17:10] Trustee Busheikin: yeah and i just wanted to add on to that because actually just looking at my notes

[3:17:14] Trustee Busheikin: and i had a star beside that topic um to bring that up like that that sounds like the type of

[3:17:21] Trustee Busheikin: bylaw with it that comes with a communications plan and material that that could be spread and

[3:17:28] Trustee Busheikin: I hope that when it's done, perhaps it simply that that could be reported and maybe even we could look at it at RPC with the idea of, like, it seems to me that when there are bylaws happening on individual islands that have potential to be spread around and picked up and implemented by their LTCs,

[3:17:55] Trustee Busheikin: It would be great to just keep that information flowing because that's the way to do it, I think. And that proof of proof of water, God, it's a huge topic on every island. And so maybe there's something we all can learn from this.

[3:18:09] Trustee Busheikin: And then instead of, just like what Peter said, instead of us trying to create a model bylaw that we don't know if anyone's going to use it, is when there is one being created that is being used, it's got that kind of test of usefulness, and that we make sure that we all know about it.

[3:18:27] Voice 1: yeah um oh thank you chair just just to comment on that so um indeed the the work of the salt

[3:18:34] Voice 1: spring island local trust committee has facilitated um our ability to coordinate so closely with the

[3:18:41] Voice 1: province before first reading that's kind of rare to have

[3:18:45] Voice 12: have

[3:18:46] Voice 1: well i would i would go as far to say

[3:18:49] Voice 1: as the province was an external member of this project because we've been working with them for

[3:18:54] Voice 1: for two years on it, really back and forth.

[3:18:56] Voice 1: And we considered a lot of their considerations

[3:18:59] Voice 1: and some we didn't because they're more aligned

[3:19:02] Voice 1: with what would go into an OCP discussion, so to speak.

[3:19:08] Voice 1: So the structure of the bylaw,

[3:19:10] Voice 1: I think is really well laid out.

[3:19:12] Voice 1: I think what would need to happen

[3:19:14] Voice 1: if it were to get then elevated

[3:19:15] Voice 1: to the regional planning committee

[3:19:19] Voice 1: is to then identify within that bylaw,

[3:19:22] Voice 1: and perhaps this is in the communications plan of that bylaw, is to identify options for LTCs to

[3:19:29] Voice 1: consider because there are certain characteristics of Salt Spring Island that aren't shared with

[3:19:35] Voice 1: Liskety Island or with Denman, right? Like for example on Salt Spring Island as the bylaw is

[3:19:42] Voice 1: written now, and this is what the LTC asked us to go away to reconsider, is looking at alternative

[3:19:50] Voice 1: of water supplies outside of drilled wells so that that would be rainwater harvesting

[3:19:56] Voice 1: shallow dug wells and etc i will say and so in in that case we need to have a better discussion

[3:20:04] Voice 1: around what that means um and so for example for damon island there has been several subdivisions

[3:20:11] Voice 1: on on shallow dug wells and for good reason there's the quadra sands aquifer which is very

[3:20:17] Voice 1: prolific and on there's not that type of water source on other islands so islands like um i

[3:20:26] Voice 1: want to don't want to hazard a guess but like say prevo i'm not

[3:20:30] Voice 1: sure but there could be other

[3:20:32] Voice 1: islands where shallow wells are not appropriate and then therefore they wouldn't be included in

[3:20:38] Voice 1: the bylaw and we actually we we had that idea from the uh thompson nicola uh proof of water

[3:20:47] Voice 1: bylaw where they in a particular electoral area they decided that shallow dug wells were not

[3:20:54] Voice 1: appropriate um mostly due to agricultural concerns from runoff and so that was just like an

[3:21:00] Voice 1: interesting perspective where there are certain types of water that that was was not um appropriate

[3:21:10] Voice 1: for proof of water in areas and appropriate others so there can be area-based regulation

[3:21:16] Voice 1: regulation within the bylaw through options. So it's not like we're handcuffing LTCs by creating

[3:21:22] Voice 1: this model bylaw, that it is a structure and a framework in which the LTCs have some evidence

[3:21:29] Voice 1: based tangible language to work with to craft a bylaw that works in the area that is harmonizing

[3:21:37] Voice 1: with the Water Sustainability Act, which was the, and the current guidance documents for,

[3:21:44] Voice 1: a pumping test which is the reason why staff asked the ltc to undertake this in the first place

[3:21:50] Voice 1: thank

[3:21:52] Trustee Busheikin: you um narissa i i'm just checking i'm sorry but um there's still a hand up in the fenton

[3:22:00] Trustee Busheikin: and luckham window so is that another person wanting to speak or is that just the hand that

[3:22:05] Trustee Busheikin: stayed up hand that stayed up okay go ahead um planner chadwick yeah

[3:22:11] Voice 24: i just wanted to mention

[3:22:12] Voice 24: that the work that's been done for salt spraying

[3:22:16] Voice 24: on the proof of water is contributing

[3:22:19] Voice 24: to what's being introduced on both Galliano

[3:22:22] Voice 24: and North Pender, so it's already being moved.

[3:22:29] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, good, thank you.

[3:22:31] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, any other questions or comments for now?

[3:22:36] Trustee Busheikin: I feel like we could talk about this for a long, long time

[3:22:39] Trustee Busheikin: and we will talk about it again.

[3:22:40] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so thank you, freshwater specialist Shulba,

[3:22:45] Trustee Busheikin: for the report and for the work.

[3:22:49] Trustee Busheikin: So next up we have heritage mapping project update,

[3:22:55] Trustee Busheikin: and this will be an update from Director Marler.

[3:23:01] Voice 2: Yeah, hi, thank you.

[3:23:03] Voice 2: So the heritage mapping contract last year

[3:23:08] Voice 2: was undertaken by Enlilotash,

[3:23:11] Voice 2: which is a consulting company of archaeologists actually and they've

[3:23:17] Voice 2: provided documentation we didn't have it on today's agenda but we will bring it

[3:23:22] Voice 2: to you probably at next meeting as a few things just want to confirm with them

[3:23:27] Voice 2: before we do that so essentially they've been working to pull together as much

[3:23:35] Voice 2: information around cultural knowledge and archaeological sites through the

[3:23:40] Voice 2: trust area in a comprehensive way and then of course the next steps are going to be to work

[3:23:45] Voice 2: with the nations to um to confirm um confirm that and we haven't quite um got there yet as far as

[3:23:56] Voice 2: how that's going to look um so we do need to fill the vacant position for the um senior

[3:24:05] Voice 2: to governmental policy advisors that as that position was very key to to this work so that's

[3:24:11] Voice 2: all I have I think hopefully we'll have more at the next meeting but I just want to let you know

[3:24:16] Voice 2: that that work is definitely underway and I think very valuable as part of the reconciliation with

[3:24:23] Voice 2: those nations

[3:24:24] Trustee Busheikin: thank you any questions or comments for Dr Mahler okay well we will be getting I'm

[3:24:34] Trustee Busheikin: And I'm hoping a fuller report at our next meeting.

[3:24:38] Trustee Busheikin: That would be great.

[3:24:39] Trustee Busheikin: This is really exciting and very important work.

[3:24:42] Trustee Busheikin: So thank you.

[3:24:46] Trustee Busheikin: Was someone saying something?

[3:24:51] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[3:24:55] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[3:24:56] Trustee Busheikin: Just giving people time to speak up because people are connected in multiple ways here.

[3:25:01] Trustee Busheikin: So next we have the four other strategic plan items for discussion.

[3:25:07] Trustee Busheikin: And I'm not sure what the focus of our discussion is.

[3:25:15] Trustee Busheikin: So I think I will ask Director Marler just to give us some guidance here.

[3:25:22] Voice 2: Yeah, okay.

[3:25:24] Voice 2: So these are on here more so we don't forget about them.

[3:25:29] Voice 2: So the Model Coastal Fair Ecosystem Bylaws, that work didn't get done, didn't get started.

[3:25:36] Voice 2: So we would have to look at how to prioritise that. I believe there is a budget to complete this.

[3:25:42] Voice 2: So we have to look at that. I don't have that information in front of me right now.

[3:25:46] Voice 2: The shoreline review, that work was completed and sent out to local trust committees.

[3:25:52] Voice 2: Now, I get these two confused, so I'll have to bear with me here.

[3:25:56] Voice 2: Using floor area ratios for affordable housing, I believe, was completed.

[3:25:59] Voice 2: The model DSD bonus bylaw for affordable housing, that went to council and I believe it was sent back to consider some additional information and that work has not yet been done.

[3:26:14] Voice 2: I think it's the 441B. Yeah, I think it's that one that was sent back.

[3:26:19] Voice 2: so that is um it's on your work program as a project uh but we have not allocated any resources

[3:26:28] Voice 2: or any priority to completing that and they were sent back to consider work that had been done on

[3:26:36] Voice 2: a couple of islands okay so there's there's no real need for a decision at this point it's just

[3:26:48] Voice 2: to give you an update and when you get down to the work program you can decide how you want to

[3:26:53] Voice 2: to proceed with some of these other items okay

[3:26:57] Trustee Busheikin: um so i see a couple hands up i will hear from

[3:27:04] Trustee Busheikin: trustee patrick go ahead i

[3:27:07] Voice 27: know i think i think a key thing to remember is every time we do our

[3:27:10] Voice 27: strategic plan there's always you know good intentions but also we learn as we go along

[3:27:13] Voice 27: the way and i think it's important that the learnings be shared so i i don't always see

[3:27:19] Voice 27: things as you know negative it's learning so like the most model coastal fur uh douglas fur you know

[3:27:27] Voice 27: like salt spring was taking a leading initiative on that and we ended up kind of in the wildfire

[3:27:31] Voice 27: resiliency area which i think is a good thing um and and a lot of interest in where that's going

[3:27:39] Voice 27: so it's not like this work is lost it just uh it you know supports and moves into perhaps something

[3:27:45] Voice 27: that's more um more timely and more important um in today's climate impacts that we're experiencing

[3:27:55] Voice 27: um and the same with the affordable housing i thought i thought the committee had ended up on

[3:28:00] Voice 27: a good spot of saying you know bring staff and in together and i don't remember how that was going

[3:28:06] Voice 27: to be framed but sort of a round table type conversation on what could we really be doing so

[3:28:16] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. I'm just going to say Fenton Luckham, because I don't know which one of you will speak.

[3:28:27] Trustee Busheikin: So Peter or Doug, go ahead.

[3:28:29] Voice 19: So right you are. Peter Luckham here again.

[3:28:35] Voice 19: Just noting that that whole floor area ratio conversation is the whole thing about square footage and not necessarily associated with affordable housing,

[3:28:48] Voice 19: but for housing generally is ongoing on South Pender.

[3:28:53] Voice 19: And, you know, one of the interesting things

[3:28:54] Voice 19: that I've noticed and particularly around this whole idea

[3:28:58] Voice 19: of restricting floor size and things is we've managed

[3:29:02] Voice 19: through our 2050 and through other work,

[3:29:05] Voice 19: we've actually managed to attract a number

[3:29:07] Voice 19: of very interesting people with lots of background

[3:29:12] Voice 19: and information coming to us,

[3:29:14] Voice 19: particularly a young architect wants to speak about the whole notion of flora ratios and

[3:29:25] Voice 19: size limitations and balancing that against form and character, which probably has the greatest

[3:29:32] Voice 19: ability to influence outcomes in a more positive way than being regulatory or restrictive in nature,

[3:29:39] Voice 19: which is how it's perceived. And so just commenting on that to keep our eyes and

[3:29:46] Voice 19: minds open to new ideas that are coming to us through having raised the profile of the

[3:29:51] Voice 19: Allen's Trust and the significant and important work that we do. There are lots of people out

[3:29:55] Voice 19: there that are prepared to help us on some of these things. And both of these topics are

[3:30:00] Voice 19: for I and for IV are important. And of course you're well aware that Thetis is continuing along

[3:30:09] Voice 19: its short, its notion of doing some shoreline development permit work. And that also is in

[3:30:16] Voice 19: the communication stage and engagement with First Nations and communities. So there you go.

[3:30:22] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Okay. Anything else? Okay. Well, I'm going to move us along. So next we have 8.1 and

[3:30:32] Trustee Busheikin: And this is the draft for the annual report.

[3:30:36] Trustee Busheikin: There is a suggested motion if you look at the agenda.

[3:30:40] Trustee Busheikin: So before we move that motion, are there any suggested changes to this text for the annual?

[3:30:52] Trustee Busheikin: I do have just two very small ones, but see if any other hands go up.

[3:30:57] Trustee Busheikin: I'll give everyone a chance to catch up.

[3:31:00] Trustee Busheikin: We're on page 55.

[3:31:01] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I am going to just pull the suggestions I have, which is in the bottom in the bullets in the second and third bullet is to remove the words model bylaw in each of the reports because those actually were not model bylaws.

[3:31:23] Trustee Busheikin: There seems to be continual confusion and a belief that our PC is putting out lots of model bylaws, but we actually have only got one this term that I know of, and that was to do with fees.

[3:31:37] Trustee Busheikin: So could that just read the residential floor ratio report and the shoreline protection report?

[3:31:45] Trustee Busheikin: Does staff have any concerns? Yeah, I see nodding.

[3:31:48] Trustee Busheikin: Okay,

[3:31:48] Voice 2: so that's fine. Thank you.

[3:31:50] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, do I need to make a motion to amend it?

[3:31:54] Trustee Busheikin: It's just-

[3:31:55] Voice 2: That's, I'm okay with that.

[3:31:56] Voice 2: That's great, I'll make that change.

[3:31:59] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, and nothing else?

[3:32:01] Trustee Busheikin: Good, nice to see this going forward.

[3:32:04] Trustee Busheikin: I know that the annual report's an important tool.

[3:32:07] Trustee Busheikin: So then I would invite someone to make the motion

[3:32:10] Trustee Busheikin: that we see on our agenda at 8.1.

[3:32:13] Trustee Busheikin: It's up on the screen.

[3:32:17] Voice 5: Who would like to?

[3:32:22] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, Tim, go ahead.

[3:32:27] Voice 18: i move that the regional planning committee approve the attached text for inclusion in the

[3:32:31] Voice 18: 2021-22 annual report for approval by trust council submission and minister of municipal affairs

[3:32:38] Voice 27: hey seconder uh it should say approved text as amended just for okay or as discussed or whatever

[3:32:48] Voice 2: as amended is fine thank you okay

[3:32:50] Trustee Busheikin: uh doug shenton wants to speak perhaps

[3:32:55] Voice 21: You're seconding.

[3:32:58] Trustee Busheikin: Seconding.

[3:32:58] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[3:32:58] Trustee Busheikin: So that's moved and seconded.

[3:33:01] Trustee Busheikin: Tim, did you want to speak to that?

[3:33:04] Trustee Busheikin: I just see your hand up.

[3:33:06] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead.

[3:33:09] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[3:33:10] Trustee Busheikin: Any comment?

[3:33:11] Trustee Busheikin: Any discussion?

[3:33:13] Trustee Busheikin: Then I'm going to call the question.

[3:33:16] Trustee Busheikin: So all in favor, please raise your hand.

[3:33:22] Trustee Busheikin: All in favor?

[3:33:27] Trustee Busheikin: So I see seven hands in favor.

[3:33:30] Trustee Busheikin: let's lower our hands and we'll just see if anyone's opposed assumptions so

[3:33:37] Trustee Busheikin: anyone opposed okay not opposed motion carries thank you next we have this

[3:33:47] Trustee Busheikin: issue of scheduled conflict on November 23rd what are staff like are we is the

[3:33:59] Trustee Busheikin: idea that we would look at our calendars right now and well I guess we don't we don't really look at

[3:34:04] Trustee Busheikin: our calendars um just like is direction needed to reschedule this meeting or could that simply just

[3:34:12] Trustee Busheikin: be done can I get some enlightenment from staff what's our what's your job here yeah David here

[3:34:19] Voice 2: so the uh the meetings established by resolution of the regional planning committee so to change

[3:34:25] Voice 2: it we will need a resolution uh when you want to cancel this one and want to specify the date of

[3:34:32] Voice 2: the next one okay

[3:34:35] Voice 10: so

[3:34:36] Voice 2: just for your information financial planning committee meets the following

[3:34:39] Voice 2: week on wednesday an alternative would be to move the regional planning committee from the 23rd to

[3:34:45] Voice 2: the 24th which is a thursday day after executive or the first of december which is the thursday

[3:34:54] Voice 2: as well. Those are probably your best options. Trust Council is 6th, 7th and 8th so if you want

[3:35:04] Voice 2: items to come from Regional Planning Committee to go on to the Trust Council agenda it will have to

[3:35:11] Voice 2: be before the 23rd so you could hold it on the 16th which is the week before or the 17th which

[3:35:20] Voice 2: is the Thursday before.

[3:35:24] Trustee Busheikin: So what about the 16th because that's a Wednesday so there's a bit of

[3:35:28] Trustee Busheikin: a consistency with that yeah so i think we need a motion to uh change the november date for rpc

[3:35:43] Trustee Busheikin: from november 23rd to november 16th or do we need to no

[3:35:47] Voice 2: that's fine okay

[3:35:49] Trustee Busheikin: we don't need to

[3:35:49] Trustee Busheikin: specifically say castle okay um uh would someone like to make that motion thank you janine so i

[3:36:03] Trustee Busheikin: I think Janine has moved that RPC reschedule.

[3:36:08] Trustee Busheikin: It's November 23rd, 2022 meeting to November 16th.

[3:36:16] Trustee Busheikin: Something like that.

[3:36:17] Trustee Busheikin: Seconder?

[3:36:19] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you, Tim.

[3:36:21] Trustee Busheikin: So it's moved and seconded.

[3:36:23] Trustee Busheikin: Any further discussion?

[3:36:26] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, all in favor?

[3:36:28] Voice 6: Jane, you're in favor.

[3:36:33] Voice 6: Okay, so

[3:36:34] Trustee Busheikin: that's seven in favor.

[3:36:37] Trustee Busheikin: please lower hands anyone opposed no one opposed that motion carries thank you

[3:36:46] Trustee Busheikin: all right next we have delegation of development permits and i believe this comes from a request

[3:36:55] Trustee Busheikin: we made to the province which was successful uh so is uh regional planning manager kajima here

[3:37:03] Trustee Busheikin: here oh yes thank

[3:37:04] Voice 16: you so overall this would be considered part of the lps renewal and the

[3:37:11] Voice 16: purpose today is to provide a draft trust council policy with a template bylaw attached that would

[3:37:18] Voice 16: allow for the delegation of the issuance of development permits to staff by local trust

[3:37:23] Voice 16: committees as you mentioned the honest trust regulation was recently amended by the minister

[3:37:29] Voice 16: to allow the delegation of development permits

[3:37:32] Voice 16: by local trust committees.

[3:37:34] Voice 16: And this is something that's long been requested

[3:37:36] Voice 16: by Allens Trust and has been recommended

[3:37:38] Voice 16: in various reviews over the years.

[3:37:41] Voice 16: Overall delegation would improve the efficiency

[3:37:44] Voice 16: of development permit processing.

[3:37:47] Voice 16: In the RFD, I sort of highlight how DPs

[3:37:50] Voice 16: are a significant portion of applications

[3:37:53] Voice 16: in a number of local trust areas.

[3:37:55] Voice 16: is um i said the draft policy is recommended to be adopted by trust council and if it is endorsed

[3:38:05] Voice 16: by trust council then local trust committees could consider adopting a delegation bylaw

[3:38:10] Voice 16: like the one that's attached as a template and the policy generally outlines the criteria for

[3:38:17] Voice 16: local trust committees to consider when they're looking at a delegation bylaw and then procedures

[3:38:23] Voice 16: for staff if a delegation by-law is adopted

[3:38:27] Voice 16: on implementing the delegation of development permits.

[3:38:31] Voice 16: And the recommendation is to forward the attached draft

[3:38:37] Voice 16: to the June trust council meeting with a recommendation

[3:38:39] Voice 16: the policy be adopted and local trust committees

[3:38:42] Voice 16: be requested to consider adopting delegation by-laws.

[3:38:47] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[3:38:50] Trustee Busheikin: Comments or questions?

[3:38:52] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead Trustee Calvert.

[3:38:54] Trustee Busheikin: I have a I have a comment oh okay sorry uh Jane um let's take you first then Scott then Laura

[3:39:03] Trustee Busheikin: okay

[3:39:04] Voice 28: um so uh in the policy number 1.7 where it says um minor development variance permits

[3:39:13] Voice 28: I didn't see a definition of that um and um in number 4.5 uh the second line it says the

[3:39:26] Voice 28: application should be refused and i wondered if that should be shall be refused in number

[3:39:33] Voice 16: which number four

[3:39:34] Voice 28: point four point five second line okay

[3:39:37] Voice 16: so the first question was about the

[3:39:40] Voice 16: minor development variance permits so there's also been change to the local government act

[3:39:45] Voice 16: that allows local governments including local trust committees to delegate development minor

[3:39:51] Voice 16: or what the legislation terms minor development variance permits to staff and so if any future

[3:39:58] Voice 16: local trust committees were to look at that they would have to define what minor what a minor dvp

[3:40:04] Voice 16: is as part of that process and so this policy would ensure that the delegation bylaw for

[3:40:14] Voice 16: development permits doesn't include the delegation of where there's a variance as part of a dp that

[3:40:20] Voice 16: would have to go to the local trust committees as a separate development variance permit application

[3:40:27] Voice 2: and if I may through the chair just add to that that the development variance permits as

[3:40:32] Voice 2: Robert said would be in the next policy amendment that we would be bringing to you for consideration

[3:40:40] Voice 2: of delegation development variance permits so this policy has been designed to handle development

[3:40:46] Voice 2: permits and development range permits so we would update the policy it may or may not include a

[3:40:52] Voice 2: definition of minor it depends on whether council wants to determine what it is or whether leave it

[3:40:58] Voice 2: with local trust committees or whether council wants to provide guidance to what minor would

[3:41:03] Voice 2: look like there's a lot more work involved in that one so that's why it's not here at the moment

[3:41:09] Voice 2: and

[3:41:11] Voice 16: then the second part of the question was about 4.5 about refusing development permits

[3:41:19] Voice 16: so local trust committees when they're considering development permits you know

[3:41:22] Voice 16: there's the whole set of guidelines that you look at and sometimes there may be a one specific

[3:41:28] Voice 16: guideline that the this application doesn't is inconsistent with but it's consistent with all

[3:41:34] Voice 16: the others it may be minor or irrelevant so a local trust committee can can weigh that

[3:41:39] Voice 16: and issue a permit development permit still so this would delegate that same

[3:41:46] Voice 16: or have a policy guideline for the director to have that same ability to where there's a really

[3:41:54] Voice 16: minor or it's a not relevant guideline but the rest of the application complies

[3:42:00] Voice 16: could still issue the permit we you know we'd assume that if it was at all controversial or

[3:42:08] Voice 16: was all the director was unclear about it would refuse the permit but then could also if you look

[3:42:15] Voice 16: at 4.7 may recommend that it go to the local trust committee or may may recommend that the

[3:42:23] Voice 16: applicant ask the local trust committee to reconsider the application and let the local

[3:42:28] Voice 16: trust committee weigh those guidelines i

[3:42:32] Voice 28: was just looking at the the language and usually it would

[3:42:36] Voice 28: be some would be shall be rather than should be um

[3:42:46] Voice 16: yeah i think it i think it could be shall be there

[3:42:48] Voice 16: yeah

[3:42:50] Trustee Busheikin: okay

[3:42:51] Voice 16: okay

[3:42:56] Trustee Busheikin: thank you um christy patrick then colborne then long grass and um director marley

[3:43:04] Trustee Busheikin: did you want to speak to the last question in particular okay trusty patrick i

[3:43:13] Voice 27: just have a

[3:43:14] Voice 27: couple of questions on 2.1 it says development permit areas uh it's if they've been updated in

[3:43:20] Voice 27: last 20 years i think this really i mean you know like a steep slope where we have rock faces that

[3:43:28] Voice 27: don't you know geologically change in 20 years is one thing but um you know a lot of ours are

[3:43:33] Voice 27: out of date and haven't been kept up to date and that's one of my fundamental concerns is that

[3:43:39] Voice 27: you know we develop development permit areas without building in automatic reviews and

[3:43:45] Voice 27: update. So 20 years just seems, I mean, to me, this whole project should be part of let's fix

[3:43:51] Voice 27: the problems where they exist. And especially if we know we have a DPA that's out of date,

[3:43:57] Voice 27: it could be out of date and it's, you know, 10 years old. So that one concerns me. And I don't

[3:44:01] Voice 27: know what's appropriate to say there. But I think there needs to be some form of test that the DPA

[3:44:08] Voice 27: is reasonable and up-to-date uh in in some form um and that kind of relates the guidelines in 2.4

[3:44:18] Voice 27: as well not only are they clear and certain but again i think up to date that you know that um

[3:44:24] Voice 27: there isn't something that's out of whack um in the guidelines so i'd look to staff as to what's

[3:44:34] Voice 27: appropriate on that and then it relates sort of my last question which I think would be either 4.8

[3:44:40] Voice 27: or it's missing is that staff be required to report back to the local trust committee when

[3:44:48] Voice 27: guidelines or mapping are found out of date that the you know the project's identified as being

[3:44:54] Voice 27: being uh you know that there's a project there to fix the uh the development permit area so

[3:45:04] Voice 16: yeah i mean the number the number 20 years was somewhat arbitrary um there were some legislative

[3:45:11] Voice 16: changes around that time so um yeah i mean it could just be current up-to-date recent some

[3:45:19] Voice 16: some word like that and then in 2.4 also i think you know if there was a a dpa that was adopted

[3:45:27] Voice 16: or amended within 20 years but it wasn't very well adopted or wasn't very well amended or wasn't

[3:45:32] Voice 16: uh 2.4 would would hopefully capture that wouldn't be thorough clear or certain

[3:45:40] Voice 6: and

[3:45:41] Voice 2: if i could add to that um these are guidelines

[3:45:45] Voice 2: guidelines. Am I on mute? No. These are guidelines for the delegation bylaws. So

[3:45:54] Voice 2: local trust committees could, you know, we would look at the individual situation on the island

[3:45:59] Voice 2: and it may meet all these requirements, but there could be another reason the local trust committee

[3:46:04] Voice 2: feels that delegation is not a good idea. Or it may be that it was developed within 20 years,

[3:46:10] Voice 2: but the guidelines are not clear or you know something else but yeah we can reword it as

[3:46:16] Voice 2: robert said to more recent than not have an actual hard date on here yeah

[3:46:24] Voice 16: and i think if

[3:46:25] Voice 16: you know a local trust committee indicated they wanted to delegate a certain development permit

[3:46:30] Voice 16: area to the issuance issuance staff and then staff reported back well we don't think you're

[3:46:37] Voice 16: even though your dpa was adopted within 20 years we don't think it's it's clear enough

[3:46:42] Voice 16: or that it's updated enough we would certainly be reporting that back to the ltc and recommending

[3:46:49] Voice 16: that they update their dpa first because we don't want to be as managers and directors and planners

[3:46:55] Voice 16: in a position where we're trying to interpret unclear guidelines or having complete provisions

[3:47:01] Voice 30: yeah you said that um i can't find the receipt for dad's shirt but if you could

[3:47:13] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Okay, I'm going to go to the next speaker, and I believe, I can't remember who I

[3:47:22] Trustee Busheikin: said it would be. I think it was Colburn, Longerice, and then Fenton-Luckum. So go ahead,

[3:47:29] Trustee Busheikin: Scott.

[3:47:30] Voice 15: Hi there. I hope you can hear me when I'm trying to be heard. Thank you for the thumbs up.

[3:47:35] Voice 15: I want to second what Vice Chair Patrick said. I have concerns about official community plans and land use bylaws that have not been updated.

[3:47:44] Voice 15: I think planning best practices are five years you want to update that material.

[3:47:49] Voice 15: So I have concerns about that 20 year number. And the second one I wanted to bring up is cultural heritage sites.

[3:47:56] Voice 15: And as we build relationships with First Nations and get that mapping done, there's a lot of development areas that overlap with those sensitive areas.

[3:48:02] Voice 15: And I have concerns that we're not giving those crucial sites the respect they deserve if they're sort of locked into official community plans and bylaws that are decades out of date.

[3:48:22] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[3:48:23] Trustee Busheikin: So are you suggesting maybe a 2.5 around the, I mean, yeah, I'm not quite sure where to, how to operationalize that comment, but maybe we'll leave that for staff to think about.

[3:48:39] Voice 2: Yeah, if you don't mind, I wouldn't

[3:48:41] Voice 2: mind commenting on that.

[3:48:43] Trustee Busheikin: Yes, please.

[3:48:43] Trustee Busheikin: please.

[3:48:43] Voice 2: Yeah, so one of the limitations is development permit areas are very specific

[3:48:49] Voice 2: and no development permit area is available for cultural heritage or heritage sites. There's

[3:48:56] Voice 2: separate piece of legislation that deals with heritage and that's what the work on the mapping

[3:49:02] Voice 2: with in Willa Tash is about. So this is just to do with the development permits as we have them now.

[3:49:12] Voice 2: If, you know, if we get to a point where we can create heritage or conservation areas,

[3:49:18] Voice 2: they would obviously layer on top, they might overlap with development permit areas for

[3:49:24] Voice 2: other reasons.

[3:49:24] Voice 2: So you could find yourself with a development permit area for protection of natural environment

[3:49:30] Voice 2: with an overlying heritage conservation area for protection of cultural heritage.

[3:49:35] Voice 2: They would be dealt with separately as two separate applications.

[3:49:43] Voice 2: So if, for example, a DPA one has been delegated to staff, staff would just look at that.

[3:49:49] Voice 2: If there was a heritage conservation area, the local trust committee would have to consider

[3:49:54] Voice 2: that and both permits would have to be issued before they could do any work.

[3:49:59] Voice 2: So down the road, when we get to the heritage conservation mapping and we have it, we may

[3:50:04] Voice 2: want to look at these guidelines to see how we deal with those overlaps.

[3:50:14] Voice 15: I'm not in favor of any of this. You're getting the order wrong, in my opinion,

[3:50:20] Voice 15: because I don't think any development should happen in those areas. That's the entire point.

[3:50:24] Voice 15: We don't have those development permit areas. That's the problem.

[3:50:28] Voice 15: um so i don't see this as i see this as compounding the problem um not it may lessen some of the

[3:50:37] Voice 15: administrative pieces but i have a concern that it's it's gonna um lessen our ability to be

[3:50:42] Voice 15: respectful in those places

[3:50:44] Voice 10: okay

[3:50:48] Trustee Busheikin: um fair enough and i guess um that is something to keep in mind

[3:50:56] Trustee Busheikin: unless there's a suggestion of how to mitigate that.

[3:51:02] Trustee Busheikin: And then I guess the question is,

[3:51:04] Trustee Busheikin: would delegating to staff be better or worse

[3:51:07] Trustee Busheikin: than not delegating to staff?

[3:51:10] Trustee Busheikin: Okay,

[3:51:10] Voice 10: Trustee Marler,

[3:51:11] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, Trustee Marler.

[3:51:17] Voice 2: So on that, we do have a process in place.

[3:51:21] Voice 2: So development permits, we have to issue them

[3:51:24] Voice 2: if it's consistent with guidelines,

[3:51:26] Voice 2: whether that's the trust committee or whether that's staff,

[3:51:28] Voice 2: it doesn't really matter.

[3:51:30] Voice 2: To address First Nations concerns,

[3:51:32] Voice 2: we do have a process in place

[3:51:34] Voice 2: where if there is a potential issue for them

[3:51:39] Voice 2: and maybe there's a cultural site,

[3:51:42] Voice 2: until we get the mapping in place,

[3:51:44] Voice 2: until we can require permits, we do refer them.

[3:51:47] Voice 2: We let the landowner know,

[3:51:48] Voice 2: we will send a copy of the development permit to them

[3:51:52] Voice 2: so they're aware of it.

[3:51:53] Voice 2: um but there's absolutely no way to influence it um the trust like i said trust committee has the

[3:51:59] Voice 2: issue or not so it doesn't really matter whether it's the trust committee or the staff the process

[3:52:05] Voice 2: will be the same in the background on how we work with the first nations however um you know you

[3:52:12] Voice 2: could have a political uh reason not to want to delegate for those reasons so this policy just

[3:52:18] Voice 2: just allows trust committees to consider delegation.

[3:52:21] Voice 2: It doesn't require that the delegator.

[3:52:23] Voice 2: So if council adopts this,

[3:52:25] Voice 2: the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee could say,

[3:52:28] Voice 2: we're not going to delegate because of First Nations

[3:52:31] Voice 2: or whatever other reason, and that is totally fine.

[3:52:34] Voice 2: That's up to each local trust committee.

[3:52:37] Voice 2: Thank you.

[3:52:40] Trustee Busheikin: So next was Trustee Longeris.

[3:52:48] Voice 22: Hi there.

[3:52:49] Voice 22: Okay, you can hear me now?

[3:52:51] Voice 23: yes okay great yeah so i had a few comments one was on section 1.4 and the i sent an email with

[3:52:59] Voice 23: a document to everybody about that and i'm just looking for consistency between the policy and

[3:53:05] Voice 23: the bylaw the draft bylaw and my sense is that the draft bylaw talks about the delegating to

[3:53:13] Voice 23: the director or in his or her absence a regional planning manager which means that it is to the

[3:53:18] Voice 23: director unless that the director is not available the policy just says that director and to regional

[3:53:25] Voice 23: planning manager so my sense is just to add the words in the absence of the director at the end

[3:53:30] Voice 23: of that 1.4 which would then mirror the draft all uh bylaw yep

[3:53:37] Voice 16: okay we can do that it's just

[3:53:40] Voice 23: um the other one is in section 1.5 uh if the director of the regional planning manager has

[3:53:49] Voice 23: the sole power to issue the permit this would include the power to refuse the permit so i

[3:53:55] Voice 23: wonder if 1.5 is needed section 1.5 which says the staff shall not also approve or refuse the permit

[3:54:04] Voice 23: they don't have the power to do that anyway i just was curious about why that was put in

[3:54:09] Voice 23: so

[3:54:11] Voice 16: the intent is that you know in the absence of a let's say the director was away um they

[3:54:17] Voice 16: were short staffed it's the plan the regional planning manager or an acting regional planning

[3:54:22] Voice 16: manager wouldn't process the application, make a recommendation to themselves to issue or not issue

[3:54:29] Voice 16: the permit. That's the intent of that section. If it's not clear, we can look at some further

[3:54:35] Voice 16: wording to try and clarify that.

[3:54:37] Voice 23: Yeah. When you say staff person reviewing the application,

[3:54:41] Voice 23: I'm assuming that's the local planning staff and not the director. Correct.

[3:54:45] Voice 23: And they don't have

[3:54:47] Voice 23: the power to approve or refuse it anyway. They just do a review and then pass it on. Yeah.

[3:54:52] Voice 23: yeah okay i think it's just a bit redundant but it's fine um the next one is the section

[3:55:00] Voice 23: 2.2 the sentence just i struggle with reading the sentence says you know development approval

[3:55:06] Voice 23: information bylaw has been adopted comma or the application requirements are equivalent and then

[3:55:12] Voice 23: in brackets it's not clear what that's actually saying so i wondered if in fact it should say

[3:55:18] Voice 23: has been adopted and the application requirements are equivalent that make more sense i just no

[3:55:26] Voice 23: okay no so

[3:55:27] Voice 16: if a development approval information bylaw has been adopted by the local trust

[3:55:32] Voice 16: committee um then there's a series of reporting requirements that are you know required as part

[3:55:40] Voice 16: of that bylaw some local trust committees may not have a development approval information bylaw

[3:55:45] Voice 16: But they might have, for example, a riparian area, development permit area, and there's report requirements that are still required under the provincial legislation for riparian area, development permit areas, and you don't have to actually have a development approval information bylaw in those cases.

[3:56:09] Voice 23: I understand that was to repair an area, protection regulation, but I didn't know about any other area.

[3:56:16] Voice 16: So geotechnical, for geotechnical hazard areas, actually in the Local Government Act, reports can be required to support them.

[3:56:24] Voice 16: Okay. All

[3:56:25] Voice 23: right. I just had trouble with the sound, so that's fine. I'll leave that.

[3:56:28] Voice 22: Okay.

[3:56:30] Voice 23: And the next one is section 4.7, and it's saying that the director may recommend that a refuse permanently be reconsidered by the local trust committee.

[3:56:43] Voice 23: Yet 4.6 has the director saying you have the right to have a reconsideration of the local trust committee.

[3:56:51] Voice 23: So 4.7 implies that if they choose not to, the director could still put it forward.

[3:56:57] Voice 23: I'm not sure what the purpose of that section is.

[3:57:00] Voice 16: yeah it's intended to capture these situations where the application the proposal may comply

[3:57:07] Voice 16: with the objectives or the intent of the dpa but the director's not comfortable approving it

[3:57:14] Voice 16: because there may be one particular guideline it doesn't comply with so the director would be

[3:57:18] Voice 16: forced to refuse the permit but then ray may recommend to the applicant i suppose it should

[3:57:25] Voice 16: then maybe that would be clear if it says recommend recommend that the applicant apply

[3:57:29] Voice 16: to have it reconsidered by the local trust committee okay

[3:57:33] Voice 23: that makes yeah it's okay that's

[3:57:35] Voice 23: fine then with that um number five section five of the bylaw itself that's talking about the

[3:57:45] Voice 23: delegate the required security because i see that's a different power than the power to

[3:57:49] Voice 23: you know issue a permit and i wonder if it all should reference the uh

[3:57:54] Voice 23: the regional planning manager in the absence of the director because this section seven of the

[3:58:01] Voice 23: bylaw says you can't delegate something and we delegate to the regional planning manager

[3:58:07] Voice 23: authority to issue a permit but we haven't actually issued the delegation to the

[3:58:15] Voice 23: regional planning manager for this other power

[3:58:18] Voice 16: right i see what you're saying i'll have a look

[3:58:20] Voice 16: at that and see if it needs to be added in six as well yeah

[3:58:25] Voice 23: and then my last comment was just

[3:58:29] Voice 23: on the timeline for when it gets placed on the lcc agenda it's fairly open so it would just be

[3:58:36] Voice 23: based on the staff i guess or the timelines for agenda items yeah

[3:58:41] Voice 16: yeah it would basically it

[3:58:43] Voice 16: would be treated like an applicant another app any other application that would be queued up

[3:58:47] Voice 23: and yeah so just the nor the normal process then so it would be if it happened two days before

[3:58:52] Voice 23: ltc agenda it would be not this one but the following agenda item correct yeah that would

[3:58:59] Voice 16: be my

[3:58:59] Voice 23: assumption okay

[3:59:01] Voice 22: thank you thank

[3:59:04] Trustee Busheikin: you christy fenton and or luckham and case remember put your

[3:59:11] Trustee Busheikin: hand down great

[3:59:12] Voice 21: thank you um yeah go back to 2.3 just a question around the uh professional reports

[3:59:19] Voice 21: and whether or how we actually inform professionals

[3:59:26] Voice 21: about the Islands Trust Act

[3:59:28] Voice 21: and this sort of unique preserve and protect mandate.

[3:59:31] Voice 21: Is that done or said elsewhere,

[3:59:34] Voice 21: or is this an opportunity to add to the new bylaw

[3:59:38] Voice 21: where we would suggest or have it part of the checklist

[3:59:41] Voice 21: in a sense that they are informed,

[3:59:43] Voice 21: whoever is writing the report actually understands

[3:59:47] Voice 21: the uniqueness of the Islands Trust area and the Islands Trust Act

[3:59:53] Voice 21: and how that might impact or influence their reports.

[4:00:00] Voice 21: that they're producing for us i

[4:00:01] Voice 16: think by the time it gets to the professional repair preparing the

[4:00:06] Voice 16: report all of that that should be all part and parcel of the the objectives of the development

[4:00:12] Voice 16: permit area the guidelines in the development permit area the requirements written into the

[4:00:17] Voice 16: development approval information bylaw all of that should be implemented or that the object of the

[4:00:24] Voice 16: islands trust should be implemented through all of those um requirements that go into um

[4:00:31] Voice 16: telling the proponents consultant what to include in the report on what's required

[4:00:38] Voice 21: okay and is is that in practice now or um i'm just once again i'm i'm speaking to sort of like

[4:00:46] Voice 21: there is a bit of a gap because there appears you know people are literally unaware of the islands

[4:00:53] Voice 21: Islands Trust Act when my professional side of life and it surprises me once you bring it to

[4:01:01] Voice 21: their attention and they often then they go okay but there's a lot of people who are currently

[4:01:07] Voice 21: practicing the two things one is reconciliation and the other one is is the Islands Trust Act

[4:01:12] Voice 21: and how the preserve and protect mandate is actually a unique feature and it's just not

[4:01:17] Voice 21: got another report for our local government so just just putting it out there for comment and

[4:01:24] Voice 21: maybe consideration yeah

[4:01:26] Voice 16: i think if you if you look at some of the more recent development permit

[4:01:31] Voice 16: areas maybe a

[4:01:32] Voice 16: little bit less than 20 years ago a lot most of them will have right at the beginning

[4:01:37] Voice 16: of the development permit area one of the rationales for establishing this development

[4:01:42] Voice 16: permit area is the object of the islands trust and then it sort of flows from there through the

[4:01:49] Voice 16: through like i said earlier the objectives the guidelines and then that also goes into the

[4:01:54] Voice 16: development approval information bylaw

[4:01:56] Voice 21: okay well thank you okay

[4:02:01] Trustee Busheikin: and i'm just i don't want to rush

[4:02:03] Trustee Busheikin: us but i kind of do want i don't want to rush us but i want to keep us moving so just bearing in

[4:02:08] Trustee Busheikin: mind that the goal is to, I think, get this to a point where we'd be happy forwarding it to Council.

[4:02:15] Trustee Busheikin: I just would like to ask that we make sure our comments move us in that direction and,

[4:02:22] Trustee Busheikin: of course, make it the best possible version that we can have. So, sorry,

[4:02:27] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Stamford, go ahead, and people, please remember to put your hands down when you're done.

[4:02:31] Trustee Busheikin: Thank

[4:02:33] Voice 30: you, Chair. On the Gambier Island local trust area, we're getting a lot of DPAs that

[4:02:40] Voice 30: because the whole island of Gambier is under a DPA. And I can really see the advantage of this

[4:02:47] Voice 30: in that it separates the trustees a little bit from the process. It doesn't make it political,

[4:02:56] Voice 30: it's more administrative. And I think that is because we're a small island, we know everybody

[4:03:02] Voice 30: there's less confusion as to what the role is of the trustee and that the role strictly sits with

[4:03:10] Voice 30: in certain areas anyway with the variance permit which gives us more leeway so I would find this

[4:03:18] Voice 30: quite useful just in general but I do understand we need to get down to the specifics on it

[4:03:23] Voice 30: so I could see it working given our scenario especially with our reptarian area protection

[4:03:29] Voice 30: regulations thank

[4:03:32] Trustee Busheikin: you trustee long rise did you have something else all

[4:03:40] Voice 22: right

[4:03:42] Trustee Busheikin: so

[4:03:46] Trustee Busheikin: I'm not seeing any other hands so there is a suggested motion I think we would

[4:03:57] Trustee Busheikin: have to add the word as amended on the 56th that would be the uh the way to move this ahead

[4:04:14] Trustee Busheikin: go ahead i think that's probably doug fenton

[4:04:17] Trustee Busheikin: i moved

[4:04:21] Voice 21: the um regional planning committee move um move forward or forward the attached

[4:04:26] Voice 21: draft delegation of land use permits policy

[4:04:30] Voice 21: and by-law template to the June trust council meeting

[4:04:34] Voice 21: with recommendations that the policy be adopted as amended.

[4:04:41] Voice 21: And the local trust committees are requested

[4:04:43] Voice 21: to consider adopting delegation by-laws.

[4:04:50] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, that was moved and maybe before I ask for a seconder.

[4:04:54] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[4:04:54] Trustee Busheikin: I'll second it, Jane.

[4:04:55] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, great. Jane has seconded it. Any further discussion? Seeing none, I will call the question

[4:05:06] Trustee Busheikin: all in favor. In

[4:05:12] Voice 28: favor, Jane? Looks

[4:05:17] Trustee Busheikin: like we have seven in favor. And so we can lower our hands and

[4:05:28] Trustee Busheikin: and just good form sake to say any opposed.

[4:05:36] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Colburn, you're opposed.

[4:05:40] Trustee Busheikin: And I'm sharing this information,

[4:05:43] Trustee Busheikin: but if you want your name duly noted in minutes,

[4:05:45] Trustee Busheikin: but anything you should speak up,

[4:05:47] Trustee Busheikin: because I don't know if that is getting

[4:05:49] Trustee Busheikin: otherwise noted in the minutes.

[4:05:50] Trustee Busheikin: So that motion carries.

[4:05:53] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[4:05:58] Trustee Busheikin: So next is something we've been working on for quite a while

[4:06:03] Trustee Busheikin: and this is 8.4 review of trust council policy 5.9.1 best management practices for delivery of

[4:06:11] Trustee Busheikin: local planning services uh and i see that regional planning manager car will speak to this uh welcome

[4:06:21] Trustee Busheikin: uh regional planning manager car uh to the meeting and you have the floor all right so

[4:06:28] Voice 3: So, as, as you mentioned here, this is Trust Council policy 5.9.1 best

[4:06:35] Voice 3: management practices for delivery of local planning services, and it was forwarded to Trust Council at their, and they considered it at their March meeting, and then they sent it back to you.

[4:06:47] Voice 3: And I apologize, I haven't found written comments on why it was sent back, but I figured all of you were there, so you might remember.

[4:07:07] Voice 3: and what had happened at the last RPC meeting is that Lisa Wilcox was going to amend the policy

[4:07:14] Voice 3: and then she was amending it and it was and went on to trust council so that did happen

[4:07:19] Voice 3: her recommended amendments as I understand it were made to this trust council considered it

[4:07:24] Voice 3: now it's coming back to you so this is this is what we consider a final recommended version of it

[4:07:33] Voice 3: There are still attachments to it that we are recommending adoption of as part of the policy, but we have, staff have also kind of discussed the possibility that some of the pieces that are appendices to this policy may not necessarily need to be attached to a trust

[4:07:54] Voice 3: council policy. You know, there are, for instance, so attachment one is the template OCP, and there's

[4:08:03] Voice 3: a recommended table of contents and an order of topics that go along with that. That is something

[4:08:11] Voice 3: that could change, you know, over time, we might want more flexibility and having it attached to

[4:08:16] Voice 3: a trust council policy means theoretically that we officially have to come back to trust council

[4:08:22] Voice 3: council every time we want to amend that appendix, right? So there may be one or more of the

[4:08:28] Voice 3: appendices that we might want to consider removing as part of adoption of this policy.

[4:08:36] Voice 3: We do think there's value in discussing all of it. And the fifth appendix E is the matrix for

[4:08:45] Voice 3: prioritization. And I know there's some discussion about that. We do still recommend that that's

[4:08:52] Voice 3: attached but as a blank document as opposed to the version that you have which has information

[4:08:58] Voice 3: already filled into it essentially we we'd use that as a template each time we're evaluating

[4:09:05] Voice 3: a list of projects that have been brought forward so that's that's where we're at we are

[4:09:13] Voice 3: recommending that you move this forward to trust council for approval and either i or i think

[4:09:23] Voice 3: I think David can answer questions about this.

[4:09:28] Voice 2: Yeah, I never made through the chair.

[4:09:30] Voice 6: Yeah, go ahead.

[4:09:31] Voice 2: Yeah, so thank you, Heather.

[4:09:33] Voice 2: Just on why it was sent back.

[4:09:35] Voice 2: So it was originally sent to council

[4:09:38] Voice 2: to get feedback from trust council.

[4:09:42] Voice 2: There wasn't a lot of feedback.

[4:09:45] Voice 2: I don't really have anything specific

[4:09:48] Voice 2: that I remember coming out of that.

[4:09:50] Voice 2: So it was left that it would go back

[4:09:52] Voice 2: to regional planning committee to finalize.

[4:09:55] Voice 2: And individual trustees could provide comments by email if they wanted to, I haven't really received anything so there's nothing to add, but I just want to say yeah I support the position that heather's outlined so this committee might want to either ask us to make specific changes edits or.

[4:10:20] Voice 2: What's the word for it, if you agree with.

[4:10:24] Voice 2: with Heather's assessment of the attachments,

[4:10:26] Voice 2: then you could forward this to council

[4:10:30] Voice 2: with those amendments, so as amended,

[4:10:33] Voice 2: and we'll make those changes

[4:10:35] Voice 2: and then send it to trust council for you.

[4:10:39] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[4:10:41] Trustee Busheikin: So I see we've got some speakers

[4:10:42] Trustee Busheikin: and I'm going to put myself on the speakers list

[4:10:44] Trustee Busheikin: and I'm going to go to Doug Fenton or Peter Luckham

[4:10:49] Trustee Busheikin: and then Trustee Patrick.

[4:10:53] Voice 21: all right uh okay so yeah this may be not overly relevant uh given the context of the uh

[4:11:01] Voice 21: of this discussion but just reading through it not really knowing why it was there for

[4:11:07] Voice 21: understanding that um at nine point um two it's that question uh yeah it says uh we talk about

[4:11:16] Voice 21: early and meaningful engagement and the process is encouraged uh to allow collaborative review

[4:11:23] Voice 21: view and recommendations of local trust committees

[4:11:25] Voice 21: and respect to first nations.

[4:11:28] Voice 21: And I've just think trusted, it says encouraged.

[4:11:31] Voice 21: I mean, should it not just,

[4:11:34] Voice 21: is that basically an adequate term?

[4:11:38] Voice 21: It's not, is there an option?

[4:11:39] Voice 21: Can they not engage or is that just what we have to do?

[4:11:46] Voice 2: Or if I may for the chair?

[4:11:49] Voice 2: Yeah.

[4:11:50] Voice 2: Yeah.

[4:11:50] Voice 2: So this is definitely, it's a trust council policy

[4:11:53] Voice 2: policy and it's, you know, encouraging local trust committees to do certain things. So that's

[4:11:59] Voice 2: the reason for that wording. It doesn't have a lot of teeth, I guess. It's not the trust policy

[4:12:06] Voice 2: statement. So it doesn't have the same weight as that bylaw would. But it's something that could

[4:12:13] Voice 2: guide executive committee with respect to approving bylaws. And if, you know, so if you said

[4:12:21] Voice 2: said required there may be reasons why the local trust committee felt that it's not required in

[4:12:29] Voice 2: certain situations so this is just leaving it open for that purpose the legislation for LCPs

[4:12:36] Voice 2: requires local trust committees to turn its mind to what kind of engagement it wants

[4:12:42] Voice 2: so it could be anything here I mean it could be more you could use a different term than

[4:12:47] Voice 2: encourage if you want to i

[4:12:50] Voice 21: would say yeah i would strongly encourage or will allow for like i mean

[4:12:56] Voice 21: once again it's not beating them over the head it's just saying that's your next step you're

[4:13:00] Voice 21: going to engage and and

[4:13:03] Voice 3: if i might through the chair um i i just want to echo a piece that david

[4:13:10] Voice 3: was talking about which is there there are certain projects that we undertake where um just

[4:13:15] Voice 3: just operationally, it might, we might not. And I'll give you an example. If there's a

[4:13:26] Voice 3: bylaw that gets adopted that amends your OCP, and the measurement was wrong. So, you know,

[4:13:32] Voice 3: it says 25 instead of 35. That needs to be amended. There still has to be an amendment to

[4:13:39] Voice 3: it. But it may not be something where we feel like it's going to be of interest to the First

[4:13:44] Voice 3: nations and so operationally um it may not be one where we would send it to the first nation because

[4:13:51] Voice 3: it's a technical amendment um so this does allow for some flexibility operationally

[4:13:57] Voice 10: okay thank you

[4:14:02] Trustee Busheikin: um did you have anything else doug no

[4:14:05] Voice 20: that's fine thank you okay

[4:14:06] Voice 27: uh trustee patrick um maybe i was

[4:14:10] Voice 27: at a different meeting but I recall being in Nanaimo and one when a discussion before and

[4:14:17] Voice 27: then at EC I said this wasn't ready to go to trust council but it was insisted that it go so it went

[4:14:24] Voice 27: and we all sat there and started each other and went why is this here what's this supposed to

[4:14:28] Voice 27: be here and there was a lot of confusion it was not a well received nor you know directed it was

[4:14:36] Voice 27: and I think there's lots of reasons for that

[4:14:42] Voice 27: I know, and I appreciate what staff are trying to do with this process, but from the beginning,

[4:14:50] Voice 27: we took an existing policy and started redlining it, and we really missed the opportunity to say,

[4:14:55] Voice 27: put that policy aside. What should it be? Let's design this process properly and correct with

[4:15:04] Voice 27: what we know of where we are today. And the comments that Trustee Fenton was just saying

[4:15:11] Voice 27: and so forth is that we're we're missing doing this right i keep hearing people say oh we can

[4:15:18] Voice 27: only do what's in our jurisdiction or oh we're just doing land use planning but our mandate

[4:15:25] Voice 27: requires that we work in cooperation with and to do land use planning well as to do official

[4:15:32] Voice 27: community plans well we must must must work with partners and i think we have to really change our

[4:15:39] Voice 27: process and start from the beginning of how do we do that? How do we identify the partners? What

[4:15:48] Voice 27: are the agreements that we have? Are our protocol agreements up to date? There's a lot of questions

[4:15:52] Voice 27: that start coming to play. We have a First Nation received five referrals on the same day and penned

[4:16:01] Voice 27: a letter to us and said that meaningful engagement and consultation require ongoing dialogue and

[4:16:09] Voice 27: and shared decision-making, shared decision-making.

[4:16:13] Voice 27: They said they should be involved

[4:16:14] Voice 27: in the problem identification concept and solution design.

[4:16:22] Voice 27: So even the templates, like I said, everything,

[4:16:25] Voice 27: the criteria, why should an OCP up to date?

[4:16:29] Voice 27: This policy presents presence absence.

[4:16:34] Voice 27: Does the OCP have something?

[4:16:35] Voice 27: There's gotta be more than presence and absence to OCPs.

[4:16:38] Voice 27: Is the community, you know, facing other issues or things have evolved or changed or, you know, something's fundamentally wrong. That's not just present absence. So I really think that we've got to look at this process in new fresh eyes as to what should it be. That's my encouragement.

[4:17:01] Voice 27: thank

[4:17:05] Trustee Busheikin: you and maybe i'll go to the next speaker if that is indeed a speaker um

[4:17:12] Trustee Busheikin: and you can think about is there something specific as an action you're recommending um

[4:17:18] Trustee Busheikin: or is this just something you're really asking everyone to think about um i do see a hand up in

[4:17:23] Trustee Busheikin: the fenton locum window um does one of you want to speak okay

[4:17:33] Voice 21: yeah i'm just sort of on down on

[4:17:36] Voice 21: uh the graph on page two or 83 i guess um again that's sort of along with that trustee patrick's

[4:17:46] Voice 21: comment in a sense this could say um um cost we're not actually saying you know first nations will be

[4:17:57] Voice 21: at the table and this is sort of the idea that the first nations communities locally at least

[4:18:02] Voice 21: for the spanelic um lax and we're looking at they want to be at the ideas table so phase zero

[4:18:08] Voice 21: in that we've got it there we've sort of but we're not actually just saying fight out

[4:18:14] Voice 21: you know they are and we have to figure out how that's going to be which would be part of our

[4:18:20] Voice 21: costing um et cetera but you know that this is where their i guess co-governance three people

[4:18:28] Voice 21: as well as other stakeholders are identified.

[4:18:32] Voice 21: And I just think that could be a clearer,

[4:18:35] Voice 21: it's not just, it's specifically saying this,

[4:18:39] Voice 21: we're gonna have that conversation with them right there.

[4:18:42] Voice 21: Do you want to be at the ideas table?

[4:18:50] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you.

[4:18:51] Trustee Busheikin: So are you suggesting a bullet be added to appendix C

[4:18:57] Trustee Busheikin: under phase zero around collaboration

[4:19:03] Trustee Busheikin: with first nations exactly

[4:19:06] Voice 21: yeah right up front because we've got the cost part of it but we're

[4:19:09] Voice 21: not talking about the actual conversation the cost is a sort of a compounding issue that we're

[4:19:14] Voice 21: currently dealing with but it's um the actual identified right up front that you know co-governing

[4:19:21] Voice 21: and other stakeholders are brought in or will be identified at the state um

[4:19:30] Trustee Busheikin: okay um and so then i

[4:19:33] Trustee Busheikin: I think that would need a motion to add that. And I would just, thinking of that, I would caution

[4:19:37] Trustee Busheikin: that I would not want to make it mandatory. I would like to make it recommended because

[4:19:43] Trustee Busheikin: partly for reasons Heather said, there are fairly technical OCPLUB amendments where really

[4:19:51] Trustee Busheikin: just wouldn't be, it would be actually kind of disrespectful to be wasting First Nations time by,

[4:19:57] Trustee Busheikin: by trying to get them to engage in the scoping.

[4:20:02] Trustee Busheikin: And I think it should be as considered.

[4:20:06] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, it should be considered, it should be encouraged,

[4:20:10] Trustee Busheikin: it should be funded,

[4:20:11] Trustee Busheikin: but I think that there should be a little bit of space

[4:20:14] Trustee Busheikin: to be flexible here.

[4:20:19] Trustee Busheikin: So you can be thinking about

[4:20:20] Trustee Busheikin: if you wanna make a motion to that effect.

[4:20:22] Trustee Busheikin: And I'm just gonna put myself on the speakers list

[4:20:26] Trustee Busheikin: and just go back to trust counsel what I remember from that trust counsel is that there was a sense

[4:20:32] Trustee Busheikin: that there was not that trust counsel didn't have energy or time to delve into this that they would

[4:20:38] Trustee Busheikin: have needed some contextualization of what was being asked of them were they being asked to adopt

[4:20:44] Trustee Busheikin: this or to have a discussion and go in depth and give some detailed and substantive feedback

[4:20:53] Trustee Busheikin: back in which case they'd like some guidance and maybe a bit of a workshop format and i think that

[4:20:58] Trustee Busheikin: maybe we need to get clear as if are we going to council saying this is ready to go uh we're

[4:21:07] Trustee Busheikin: asking you to you know make amendments as you see fit but otherwise adopt this or are we going to

[4:21:12] Trustee Busheikin: council and saying this is a work in progress give us some uh feedback in which case i think

[4:21:19] Trustee Busheikin: we should set aside a block of time and i think that was discussed at council and do it as a

[4:21:25] Trustee Busheikin: very clear we're we're getting into this we're you know opening it up and give us feedback and we're

[4:21:31] Trustee Busheikin: going to go away and give it a you know a a new draft or you know yeah this is this is still sort

[4:21:40] Trustee Busheikin: of in the workshopping stage so where are we at um that's what i understand anyways uh from my

[4:21:48] Trustee Busheikin: memory of council um and i don't really know the answer to that question of what do we as a

[4:21:55] Trustee Busheikin: committee want from the council at this point so i guess we still need to discuss this a bit more

[4:22:01] Trustee Busheikin: um and uh so i see trustee fenton's hand up uh again still i don't see anyone else so so go ahead

[4:22:14] Trustee Busheikin: Doug so

[4:22:16] Voice 21: we okay to move give

[4:22:18] Trustee Busheikin: it a try sure

[4:22:20] Voice 21: okay I would just I'll move that the uh we add a bullet

[4:22:24] Voice 21: uh consider the need for First Nations engagement and that would be above cost and below potential

[4:22:34] Trustee Busheikin: um so what page are you on

[4:22:37] Voice 21: oh sorry um same one to 83 or

[4:22:43] Trustee Busheikin: okay um

[4:22:46] Trustee Busheikin: okay so so could you now that you were because i wasn't on the page anything could you

[4:22:56] Trustee Busheikin: just say that once more and then and this is a motion you're putting on the on the floor

[4:23:01] Voice 21: i moved it the um that we consider or we add a bullet um consider the need for first nations

[4:23:10] Voice 21: patients engagement and above cost and below potential and pay zero consider

[4:23:22] Voice 8: need for first

[4:23:23] Voice 8: um

[4:23:33] Trustee Busheikin: so i just before we go on i'm before i well let's see would someone like to second that

[4:23:45] Voice 14: and

[4:23:47] Trustee Busheikin: maybe we should just get it up in front of us is anyone going to second that

[4:24:01] Trustee Busheikin: okay i'm not seeing a seconder um and i'm assuming that's because people

[4:24:09] Trustee Busheikin: perhaps feel that that okay trustee patrick are you seconding that no

[4:24:14] Voice 27: i wanted to just kind of

[4:24:16] Voice 27: follow up on the discussion okay

[4:24:18] Trustee Busheikin: i

[4:24:19] Voice 27: would i would as well laura

[4:24:21] Trustee Busheikin: yep okay jane so let's go with jane

[4:24:24] Trustee Busheikin: because we haven't heard from you yet in this discussion and then laura um

[4:24:28] Voice 28: i i'm wondering

[4:24:29] Voice 28: I'm wondering whether we should actually sit down with some First Nations representatives and really ask them how they see themselves being involved.

[4:24:39] Voice 28: And then at that point, you know, I mean, if it's a minor, you know, thing, you know, would they just like to be notified or not even notified?

[4:24:50] Voice 28: But what are their, you know, priorities?

[4:24:53] Voice 28: Because I don't, I mean, I agree with Doug.

[4:24:57] Voice 28: I mean, this is, you know, and Laura, this is an opportunity to really begin to do things

[4:25:04] Voice 28: differently, and I think it's a big priority that we do.

[4:25:13] Trustee Busheikin: Laura, go ahead.

[4:25:15] Voice 27: No, thank you, Jane, and

[4:25:17] Voice 27: I know we had that discussion before. I think I was really pushing the concept of the project

[4:25:24] Voice 27: definition phase, and this all came from this letter that I was quoting you from earlier from

[4:25:29] Voice 27: of First Nations and this is a chance to do things differently and um and I think it is

[4:25:38] Voice 27: you know it's it's I know we're in a very complex environment where we have multiple multiple First

[4:25:43] Voice 27: Nations that um are uh involved but I think like so this is a chance to get it right and

[4:25:52] Voice 27: there's so much involved it's not just our First Nations it's it's positioning the community for

[4:25:58] Voice 27: or, you know, these more complex projects, we talk about, you know, just smaller, simple projects,

[4:26:04] Voice 27: but it's, we're facing 20 some odd OCPs that need to be combined and updated and all of those things

[4:26:11] Voice 27: over the years. So this is a chance to really end up somewhere better. And, you know, if we could

[4:26:18] Voice 27: engage with First Nations or create a round table or, you know, something that could be a fair and

[4:26:25] Voice 27: an equitable way to gather that information?

[4:26:33] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[4:26:34] Trustee Busheikin: I'm just gonna comment on this as a committee member.

[4:26:39] Trustee Busheikin: Like I think we have some 30 different First Nations,

[4:26:45] Trustee Busheikin: 13 local trust committees,

[4:26:46] Trustee Busheikin: and really a huge variety of projects.

[4:26:49] Trustee Busheikin: And I don't think,

[4:26:49] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, I think having a round table

[4:26:52] Trustee Busheikin: where we ask First Nations

[4:26:53] Trustee Busheikin: how they want to be involved is a great idea,

[4:26:56] Trustee Busheikin: but at the same time,

[4:26:57] Trustee Busheikin: it's gonna depend on the nature of the project.

[4:27:00] Trustee Busheikin: It's going to depend on the relationship at the time, who is the elected officials and what their personal relationships are, who's on council, it's going to change.

[4:27:13] Trustee Busheikin: And I like the idea of, you know, kind of pushing ourselves a bit by writing into this something a little more directive.

[4:27:22] Trustee Busheikin: But I just don't think we're going to get much more specific other than having a general direction. And one option, as Heather pointed out, is to not include these appendices in the policy and they can be updated as our practice and perhaps the legislative even framework changes with First Nations.

[4:27:50] Trustee Busheikin: Because we, I mean, looking at the bigger picture, there's a lot going on here that we've been working towards for quite a while in terms of getting our planning services delivery to be more effective and efficient and to kind of get planning services happening in a better way that I think needs to move ahead if it can move ahead.

[4:28:17] Trustee Busheikin: and this can be filled in there's just so much um there's ideally so much movement here there's

[4:28:24] Trustee Busheikin: drippa that is i'm creating right now there's recommendations in the consultants report on

[4:28:31] Trustee Busheikin: governance um there's uh all kinds of things i probably don't even know about around evolving

[4:28:40] Trustee Busheikin: evolving need to actually not just consult First Nations, but to co-manage with them.

[4:28:49] Trustee Busheikin: And that, I don't think we can get that, the answer, I don't think there's one answer as to

[4:28:55] Trustee Busheikin: this is what we need to do. So, you know, what I'm thinking is, could we then perhaps not include

[4:29:04] Trustee Busheikin: the appendices in the policy could we add something along what doug is suggesting um

[4:29:14] Trustee Busheikin: and and then keep evolving and growing and and um then we can change these appendices as needed

[4:29:23] Trustee Busheikin: and the appendices are not um you know if if ltc is in a position where it's looking at uh you know

[4:29:33] Trustee Busheikin: a project of some kind, and they have the, a good relationship with First Nations, and they can

[4:29:39] Trustee Busheikin: really engage them deeply and meaningfully early on as partners, they certainly can do that, and

[4:29:48] Trustee Busheikin: you know, would be encouraged to do that. So,

[4:29:55] Trustee Busheikin: yeah, that's, so I would, I, although we don't have it seconded, I would encourage

[4:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: bridge having some some further direction around bringing First Nations in at that first at that

[4:30:05] Trustee Busheikin: phase zero um and then keep this moving anyone else okay well we we

[4:30:19] Voice 6: have a okay sorry no I had

[4:30:22] Voice 6: yeah go ahead

[4:30:24] Voice 6: who's that here

[4:30:25] Voice 28: um

[4:30:26] Voice 6: okay go ahead

[4:30:27] Voice 28: I mean I think one of the things that we're lacking

[4:30:30] Voice 28: our protocols

[4:30:34] Voice 28: with the various First Nations

[4:30:36] Voice 28: and I think that is a big chunk of work

[4:30:40] Voice 28: that would, in my mind,

[4:30:43] Voice 28: might be better to do prior to this

[4:30:45] Voice 28: and then it's much clearer

[4:30:49] Voice 28: and how we are to relate

[4:30:54] Voice 28: and how we're to problem solve

[4:30:55] Voice 28: if we have those official protocols.

[4:31:06] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:31:10] Trustee Busheikin: So, um,

[4:31:11] Voice 27: Trustee Patrick, go ahead.

[4:31:15] Voice 27: It's not just the protocols of First Nations. Well, that's critical. It's also protocols with potentially other or, you know, other partners as we take on these projects that are out of date.

[4:31:26] Voice 27: And we have an updated protocol agreements with regional districts since the early 90s and other ministries and all that stuff. We're working with an old set of information with all of the new issues that we have.

[4:31:39] Voice 27: so you know as that's why i pushed a project definition phase are we ready to take on the

[4:31:45] Voice 27: project do we have the tools you know why start a project if we we are already in a you know missing

[4:31:52] Voice 27: key pieces of it or the project needs to be different it needs to be let's fix those pieces

[4:31:57] Voice 27: so that we we have those arrangements uh with the partners that we have whether it's first nations

[4:32:03] Voice 27: and you know other you know regional districts or who else needs to be at the table to make the

[4:32:09] Voice 27: the project be successful.

[4:32:13] Trustee Busheikin: So just to be, am I hearing that there's an interest

[4:32:19] Trustee Busheikin: in among RPC members in pulling back entirely

[4:32:24] Trustee Busheikin: from the next stages of the best management practices

[4:32:32] Trustee Busheikin: for delivery of local planning services

[4:32:33] Trustee Busheikin: to local trust committees project

[4:32:35] Trustee Busheikin: until we have certain things in place around protocols

[4:32:39] Trustee Busheikin: with First Nations and regional districts?

[4:32:43] Trustee Busheikin: Is that what I'm hearing? I'm a little

[4:32:44] Voice 27: confused now.

[4:32:46] Voice 27: I'm not saying you have to have, it's the process.

[4:32:50] Voice 27: So it's this, when you, before a project is decided to say go, we need to do some things.

[4:32:58] Voice 27: We need to have pre-conversations with first, what is the project?

[4:33:02] Voice 27: You know, we haven't even, we should be talking to First Nations before we say there's even a project.

[4:33:07] Voice 27: So we need a little bit more detail on how we even begin a project.

[4:33:13] Voice 27: and what pieces need to be done so that we can say the project's defined and ready to go.

[4:33:27] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, well then that to me that would mean adding something to that phase zero defining the project

[4:33:34] Trustee Busheikin: in appendix C to make sure that that happens, which is I think doable.

[4:33:43] Trustee Busheikin: I felt

[4:33:45] Voice 27: it needed to be more than just on a diagram and an appendix. It really needs to be in process up front.

[4:33:50] Trustee Busheikin: Well, yeah. Then if you could try and prepare a proposal or a motion to make that happen, that would be wonderful.

[4:34:03] Trustee Busheikin: We

[4:34:04] Voice 27: did. Two meetings or three meetings ago, we made a motion that asked staff to include a project definition phase into the policy.

[4:34:13] Voice 27: well i

[4:34:14] Trustee Busheikin: think that's what i see phase zero defining the project um

[4:34:24] Voice 8: yeah um like

[4:34:32] Trustee Busheikin: i don't think there's

[4:34:33] Trustee Busheikin: any any opposition to what you're suggesting i'm not sure but i just don't know what i mean we have

[4:34:43] Trustee Busheikin: something before us we have decisions we can make or not make and we have to make um motions to make

[4:34:49] Trustee Busheikin: anything happen so i'm just not sure what you're really suggesting um in terms of how to make it

[4:34:56] Trustee Busheikin: happen like but i'm gonna go into trustee stanford yes

[4:35:02] Voice 30: thank you i i feel our conversation is getting

[4:35:05] Voice 30: lost a little bit um trustee bruce shaken or chair bruce shaken you said that the reason this came

[4:35:13] Voice 30: back and i'm remembering it now is because they didn't know what to do with it was this going to

[4:35:16] Voice 30: to be workshopped there was no preamble to it that is to me the question is how do we present it

[4:35:23] Voice 30: to council with all these these questions that we don't have answers to and how to get some better

[4:35:30] Voice 30: response from the whole of the council this affects everybody um and and if there are questions like

[4:35:38] Voice 30: what is involved in the the preamble stage um have that listed down so that we can really

[4:35:45] Voice 30: detail what what everyone's talking about because i i am really concerned that this is going to go

[4:35:52] Voice 30: back to the drawing board and nothing's going to change we really if we wait for protocols um

[4:35:58] Voice 30: with first nations my local trust committee has been waiting 12 years but meanwhile we're trying

[4:36:05] Voice 30: to develop relationships we're developing lines of communication we cannot sit on our hands until

[4:36:12] Voice 30: those protocols are in place because they may not happen. We still need to move ahead with our OCPs.

[4:36:19] Voice 30: So there's a number of things that trustees can do to clarify what their intent is in this

[4:36:26] Voice 30: and just specifically put down what is going to be in that preamble phase.

[4:36:31] Voice 30: And then there's something to discuss.

[4:36:35] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you and I'm just going to step in here. Thank you.

[4:36:38] Trustee Busheikin: you, I also was feeling the conversations getting lost. And I, like, this is a policy to help guide

[4:36:50] Trustee Busheikin: how we do planning. And we can delay the policy to get it right, which we should to some degree,

[4:36:58] Trustee Busheikin: but in the meantime, we're still doing planning. And we're doing it, let's say the old way to

[4:37:04] Trustee Busheikin: to simplify. And even if we may not get all the answers and have all the protocols in place and

[4:37:10] Trustee Busheikin: have all of that, we want to move forward because we're not stopping with planning. So right now

[4:37:17] Trustee Busheikin: we're doing planning without this level of policy guidance for how we do it. So, and I agree,

[4:37:23] Trustee Busheikin: I think the question is how to do well. Do we send this back to the drawing board for us,

[4:37:29] Trustee Busheikin: which I personally wouldn't support. I think we do need to bring this back to council and we do

[4:37:33] Trustee Busheikin: need to provide more guidance and so i think really what we do need is a cover sheet for

[4:37:40] Trustee Busheikin: council about why we're bringing it back what they should be thinking about perhaps members of

[4:37:45] Trustee Busheikin: regional planning committee who would like to see changes here can then plan ahead and bring those

[4:37:50] Trustee Busheikin: changes to council they can work with staff and get those what they want proposals for what they

[4:37:58] Trustee Busheikin: want to see and that can be part of what happens at council so that what we get at council would

[4:38:03] Trustee Busheikin: would be some guidance to finalize this.

[4:38:06] Trustee Busheikin: That's what I'd like to see happen.

[4:38:09] Trustee Busheikin: But I think council needs to have something land

[4:38:12] Trustee Busheikin: on their laps or on their computers that tells them,

[4:38:15] Trustee Busheikin: this is why you're seeing this,

[4:38:17] Trustee Busheikin: these are the questions we're asking you to think about.

[4:38:20] Trustee Busheikin: This is the step we want to take with this.

[4:38:23] Trustee Busheikin: And these are the questions that we think

[4:38:25] Trustee Busheikin: still need to be discussed.

[4:38:27] Trustee Busheikin: So that's my piece.

[4:38:29] Trustee Busheikin: I'm looking to bring this to a close.

[4:38:31] Trustee Busheikin: It's 20 to three.

[4:38:32] Trustee Busheikin: I actually need to leave at about 3.20.

[4:38:35] Trustee Busheikin: I have an important 3.30 appointment.

[4:38:37] Trustee Busheikin: So let's try and keep moving.

[4:38:40] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to go to staff.

[4:38:41] Trustee Busheikin: And I see, Laura, your hand is still up.

[4:38:44] Trustee Busheikin: So we're going to go to staff and then Trustee Patrick.

[4:38:47] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead.

[4:38:48] Trustee Busheikin: And I see Robert's hand up.

[4:38:50] Trustee Busheikin: I'll go to you in a moment.

[4:38:51] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead.

[4:38:52] Voice 2: Yeah, thank you.

[4:38:53] Voice 2: So maybe just take a step back.

[4:38:55] Voice 2: the intent of the policy was to help us um develop her and assign resources efficiently or as

[4:39:04] Voice 2: efficiently as we can and also to make sure we keep on top of the lcps so the so that is the

[4:39:10] Voice 2: basis of what we're trying to do here and i think it would be good to get that to council if nothing

[4:39:16] Voice 2: else so if there's something in here that's too detailed i suggest pull it out and go to the

[4:39:21] Voice 2: higher levels so that we have a framework that will help us with prioritization of projects

[4:39:28] Voice 2: and also help us with getting to all of those LCPs. So the intent of that project phase is

[4:39:35] Voice 2: really to say this is an efficient way to do it is to have phases, phase zero to phase four.

[4:39:41] Voice 2: So if we need to talk more about what's in those phases, I would suggest that we just take that

[4:39:48] Voice 2: out and you could say the regional planning committee trust council is going to focus

[4:39:54] Voice 2: on what these phases are going to look like and we'll work with staff to operationalize that in

[4:39:59] Voice 2: other words we don't need it in the policy we just need a policy to say there will be a phase

[4:40:05] Voice 2: and generally this is what we're going to do in this phase and then we will work out

[4:40:11] Voice 2: at the at the committee level and with senior staff specifically what that's going to look

[4:40:17] Voice 2: look like so that when we make recommendations to trust committees it's consistent right so kind of

[4:40:23] Voice 2: pull those details back a little bit and not try and get too hung up on them so that would be my

[4:40:28] Voice 2: suggestion so we don't lose this i think going back to council to workshop it is not going to

[4:40:34] Voice 2: work um i think it's just going to be busy they're going to you'll get a similar reaction that we

[4:40:39] Voice 2: we received last time so my as a staff person i would suggest that we just kind of uh said you

[4:40:47] Voice 2: know say to council this is a framework that's all it is right now and yes there's more work to be

[4:40:53] Voice 2: done but this we feel comfortable let's get this in place so we can get started on uh operationalizing

[4:41:00] Voice 2: it uh the only other comment has is just a point of order you did have a resolution that didn't

[4:41:05] Voice 2: get seconded so I assume it's died and if that's the case we'll just move on but if it hasn't you

[4:41:10] Voice 2: might want to revisit that thanks all right you're on mute there thank

[4:41:15] Trustee Busheikin: you yeah thank you I am aware

[4:41:17] Trustee Busheikin: of that um resolution that hasn't been seconded so um thank you um and let's just is that uh Robert

[4:41:24] Trustee Busheikin: is that why you had your hand up yeah I imagine that's it okay David are you done okay so we have

[4:41:35] Trustee Busheikin: We have a resolution, it hasn't been seconded.

[4:41:38] Trustee Busheikin: This is the last chance for anyone to second it.

[4:41:44] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, not seeing anything,

[4:41:46] Trustee Busheikin: then that resolution just doesn't go forward.

[4:41:51] Trustee Busheikin: And we are now kind of circling back to the question,

[4:41:58] Trustee Busheikin: what do we want to do with this?

[4:42:03] Trustee Busheikin: Do we want to forward the policy in principle

[4:42:07] Trustee Busheikin: for approval without the appendices with the understanding that the appendices will come

[4:42:12] Trustee Busheikin: back to us to work on at perhaps our next meeting and we'll have time to gather our

[4:42:18] Trustee Busheikin: thoughts and come forward with some real proposals of how to make happen what we want to happen

[4:42:23] Trustee Busheikin: would anyone like to bring a motion forward as suggested by director marler to do that

[4:42:39] Trustee Busheikin: okay not seeing that so it doesn't i'm not seeing any interest in bringing this to council

[4:42:46] Trustee Busheikin: okay i'm seeing a hand in the fenton luckham window i

[4:42:52] Voice 20: can't wait oh you don't want to do it

[4:42:59] Voice 20: okay

[4:43:01] Trustee Busheikin: no hand um like if we don't take this to council what are we going to do with it and i just

[4:43:07] Trustee Busheikin: I don't know

[4:43:09] Voice 5: if

[4:43:09] Trustee Busheikin: I can just speak and I'm not I'm not going to make a motion because I'm the only one who thinks we should take it to council.

[4:43:15] Trustee Busheikin: I'm not going to bother. But this is as Director Marley says, this is about how we allocate resources and how we can get our OCP and LUB work done.

[4:43:27] Trustee Busheikin: And I don't think this is the tool to answer all the questions or ensure that all the pieces are being done the way we want.

[4:43:38] Trustee Busheikin: We, this interacts with other, other policies and other practices, including our, you know, engagement, First Nations engagement and reconciliation policies, our policy, which is, you know, really important, and maybe people are just trying to make this solve too many, or answer too many questions, I don't know.

[4:44:03] Trustee Busheikin: No, I'm just concerned if we don't go to council with it,

[4:44:07] Trustee Busheikin: then I'd like to know what else we're going to do with it.

[4:44:10] Voice 6: And

[4:44:10] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to ask staff to speak to it, ask Heather,

[4:44:14] Trustee Busheikin: and then I'll let Trustee Sanford have the floor.

[4:44:18] Voice 3: Thanks, Chair.

[4:44:19] Voice 3: I just wanted to remind the committee that if this doesn't go forward,

[4:44:24] Voice 3: what happens is, I mean, this is a replacement policy.

[4:44:28] Voice 3: There is already an existing best practices for planning services,

[4:44:32] Voice 3: which is 5.9.1.

[4:44:33] Voice 3: So if this doesn't go forward, then we just retain the policy that we have. And, and that's the result of it. I will say as an RPM that our staffing resources do get managed, no matter what. And it's the RPMs that are sort of doing it in, in, in practical, in practical ways, you know, the LTC has asked for a project and then we say, do we have staff or not?

[4:45:02] Voice 3: And so there are these policies, and then there are these practices, and I think there's some attempt to put them together in a more efficient way. So that is what this is. But again, it'll just revert to the existing policy if you don't move it forward.

[4:45:33] Voice 30: I don't, we don't hear you.

[4:45:36] Voice 14: Who's talking?

[4:45:40] Voice 30: Laura, you're muted.

[4:45:43] Voice 30: Well, I'm

[4:45:43] Trustee Busheikin: muted. I am so sorry. Kate Lewis, you have the floor.

[4:45:47] Voice 30: I'm willing to at least put this on the floor.

[4:45:51] Voice 30: I think we need to move forward some way.

[4:45:53] Voice 30: There's a huge amount of work that went into this.

[4:45:56] Voice 30: And I think we need to at least look at it as a framework for discussion.

[4:46:03] Voice 30: So I'm going to move that the Regional Planning Committee

[4:46:06] Voice 30: endorse the draft policy 5.9.1 best management practices

[4:46:12] Voice 30: for delivery of local planning services to local trust committees

[4:46:16] Voice 30: in principle, and I'm going to make an ad here, with a detailed staff explanation or staff report

[4:46:30] Voice 30: to Trust Council and forward it to Trust Council for approval. I think that was the issue. There

[4:46:40] Voice 30: was no explanation behind it. And that's what caused the confusion. Oh, it's gone.

[4:46:48] Voice 30: yeah we're getting

[4:46:49] Voice 30: okay oh

[4:46:50] Trustee Busheikin: second that it's jane thank you jane and let's just wait to see motions

[4:46:55] Trustee Busheikin: there so

[4:46:59] Voice 30: it's really just a staff report to explain it yeah and let it pass and die on

[4:47:12] Voice 30: or with trust council where it belongs rather than us trying to reinvent it each time

[4:47:19] Trustee Busheikin: this is maybe because it's still in the motion yeah uh

[4:47:25] Trustee Busheikin: stage suggest that instead of detailed

[4:47:28] Trustee Busheikin: staff report that it say a a staff report i just people yeah that's fine

[4:47:35] Trustee Busheikin: things but also a staff

[4:47:37] Trustee Busheikin: report to contextualize

[4:47:39] Voice 30: it yeah that's good that's friendly this is why i don't do this because i'm

[4:47:43] Voice 30: not very good at making money.

[4:47:46] Voice 30: Yeah, like

[4:47:46] Trustee Busheikin: when we get these things on our agendas,

[4:47:49] Trustee Busheikin: we don't sometimes know why we're looking at them.

[4:47:53] Trustee Busheikin: And then it's hard for our minds to know what to do with them.

[4:47:56] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so that is contextualize it.

[4:48:02] Trustee Busheikin: To contextualize the framework.

[4:48:10] Trustee Busheikin: Sure, now I'm losing it too.

[4:48:12] Trustee Busheikin: too, to contextualize the intent. Thank you. Perfect. And then get rid of trust counsel after

[4:48:24] Trustee Busheikin: well, yeah. Okay, sure. Thank you. Okay. Is that friendly to the mover and the seconder?

[4:48:30] Trustee Busheikin: It's friendly to me. And Jane? Jane, you seconded it? Yep.

[4:48:40] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, good. So, Kate Lewis,

[4:48:43] Trustee Busheikin: Louis, I think you've spoken to this?

[4:48:45] Trustee Busheikin: Yes, I have.

[4:48:47] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, and so Trustee Jones would like us

[4:48:51] Trustee Busheikin: to hurry up and get to the vote before the battery runs out.

[4:48:55] Trustee Busheikin: This is, okay, so Peter Luckham or Doug Fenton, go ahead.

[4:48:59] Voice 19: Yeah, I actually had my hand up before the motion,

[4:49:02] Voice 19: so not so much speaking to the motion as ex officio,

[4:49:05] Voice 19: but I want to thank Trustee Stamford

[4:49:06] Voice 19: and Trustee Wolverton for advancing this.

[4:49:09] Voice 19: um i think that part of the reason this is here is because of um uh inadequacies in the

[4:49:20] Voice 19: current policy and questions that arise in order to do justice to the aspirations of the ltcs

[4:49:28] Voice 19: and council and so i think we really have to ask ourselves is is this worse than the existing

[4:49:35] Voice 19: Because it's sure if you can fall back to the existing policy, but it's may not be ideal. But is it a movement in the right direction? And it's not written in stone. It will evolve. And certainly as the whole conversation, particularly around First Nations evolves, there is absolutely no doubt we will continue to develop this.

[4:49:56] Voice 19: So I would encourage you to bring this to council because if not, I'm afraid that this work, which is embodied in the revisioning of delivery and planning services, could be seriously hampered in advancing this term.

[4:50:18] Voice 30: And I have to leave in five minutes too, so I'm hoping we can get to this.

[4:50:25] Voice 27: I'll be voting against this again.

[4:50:27] Voice 27: Sorry to do this, guys, but I think we're missing an opportunity to really deal with

[4:50:34] Voice 27: the issue in a fundamental way and put us on a path to do this work in a more meaningful

[4:50:43] Voice 27: way going forward.

[4:50:45] Voice 27: And, you know, like I said, health of a community plan.

[4:50:48] Voice 27: That's a good question and it's still blown.

[4:50:50] Voice 27: Maybe that's the conversation you have at Trust Council.

[4:50:53] Voice 27: What designates a healthy community plan?

[4:50:56] Voice 27: presence absence of of of sections no thank

[4:51:03] Trustee Busheikin: you and i would encourage you then to um if you are

[4:51:06] Trustee Busheikin: able to to prepare some amendments and bring them to council um to to make it better fulfill

[4:51:14] Trustee Busheikin: um your vision for it um and uh trustee stanford your hand is up no

[4:51:21] Voice 5: it's not okay

[4:51:22] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. Anyone else care to speak to this? I am going to call the question. Just giving it another

[4:51:31] Trustee Busheikin: moment, see if another hand pops up. Okay. I'm going to call the question all in favor. Raise

[4:51:37] Trustee Busheikin: your hand.

[4:51:43] Voice 8: I am seeing six hands.

[4:51:46] Trustee Busheikin: And Jane, are you voting? Because you're

[4:51:51] Voice 28: on the phone.

[4:51:52] Voice 28: I'm having a hard time connecting.

[4:51:54] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. So I'm

[4:51:56] Trustee Busheikin: wondering if you have quorum still.

[4:51:57] Trustee Busheikin: do well we do because six is quorum and there's already seven voting okay so

[4:52:03] Trustee Busheikin: um can you uh so

[4:52:06] Trustee Busheikin: that's seven in favor so take your hand down if you're in favor and those against please raise

[4:52:11] Trustee Busheikin: your hand so it looks like there's two against so that motion does carry and again i really really

[4:52:21] Trustee Busheikin: really encourage the people who didn't vote in favor to use your dissent to improve this

[4:52:29] Trustee Busheikin: and bring something to council to push it in a stronger direction.

[4:52:35] Trustee Busheikin: Because I think that your concerns are really valid and reflect a desire to do a better

[4:52:42] Trustee Busheikin: job of this.

[4:52:43] Trustee Busheikin: So yeah, that's all I need to say.

[4:52:47] Trustee Busheikin: I want to thank everyone for this.

[4:52:51] Trustee Busheikin: is there any other bits of business attached to this regional planning manager car okay so we

[4:53:00] Trustee Busheikin: will be discussing that again at council uh i'm gonna move us along here and try and get us done

[4:53:07] Trustee Busheikin: soon after three so we've got our work program um and uh oh gosh um yeah we could discuss this

[4:53:24] Trustee Busheikin: for a long time and it would be difficult because I think we just don't have the resources to do

[4:53:30] Trustee Busheikin: everything we would want to do it but is there anything in particular staff would like to draw

[4:53:34] Trustee Busheikin: attention to uh or I also see Tim Peterson's hand up so maybe we'll hear from Tim go ahead

[4:53:44] Voice 18: yeah thank you chair uh just just in

[4:53:46] Voice 17: response to the note on the agenda

[4:53:48] Voice 17: And Trust Council did refer a request

[4:53:54] Voice 17: to the Regional Planning Committee

[4:53:57] Voice 17: about the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy Policy document.

[4:54:02] Voice 17: And so I've just put a motion together

[4:54:07] Voice 17: that would add that to our projects list.

[4:54:11] Voice 17: Thank you.

[4:54:14] Voice 17: And I'm happy to make the motion

[4:54:17] Voice 17: or if you'd prefer some discussion first i think

[4:54:19] Trustee Busheikin: you make the motion that's pretty clear okay i

[4:54:23] Voice 17: move that the regional planning committee add to its work program the development of islands trust

[4:54:29] Voice 17: freshwater sustainability strategy policy document and recommendations for implementation

[4:54:34] Voice 17: of the freshwater sustainability strategy under section four of the projects

[4:54:38] Voice 17: explicit okay

[4:54:41] Trustee Busheikin: uh would someone like to say from that um trustee thank you uh okay any further

[4:54:51] Trustee Busheikin: discussion okay i will call the question uh everyone in favor raise your hand in here i'm

[4:55:01] Voice 28: in favor okay

[4:55:03] Trustee Busheikin: so we have one two three four five six seven in favor let's lower our hands anyone

[4:55:10] Trustee Busheikin: Anyone opposed?

[4:55:11] Trustee Busheikin: Just wait for the hands to go down.

[4:55:17] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so that motion carries.

[4:55:20] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[4:55:21] Trustee Busheikin: Is there anything else with the work program

[4:55:23] Trustee Busheikin: we would like to act upon or comment upon?

[4:55:30] Trustee Busheikin: Staff, is there anything in particular you need from us

[4:55:32] Trustee Busheikin: or would like to?

[4:55:35] Voice 2: No, if you look at the strategic, sorry.

[4:55:40] Voice 2: If you look at, where am I?

[4:55:43] Voice 2: Here we go, I'm just gonna show it again.

[4:55:45] Voice 2: Hang on, what happened there?

[4:55:49] Voice 2: Yeah, okay.

[4:55:51] Voice 2: So the way this is set up is your number one item

[4:55:54] Voice 2: of the strategic plan items.

[4:55:56] Voice 2: So that resolution just passed,

[4:55:58] Voice 2: I think will fit on the strategic plan item 2.4.

[4:56:02] Voice 2: So we can update this in the middle here

[4:56:05] Voice 2: and we'll update the rest of this to indicate

[4:56:06] Voice 2: what we're actually getting on with

[4:56:09] Voice 2: and what's kind of on hold.

[4:56:10] Voice 2: So that's your first priority is strategic plan.

[4:56:13] Voice 2: That's the way it's been set up

[4:56:14] Voice 2: for the last couple of years your second item here is the shoreline marine mapping

[4:56:20] Voice 2: a planning project um so that's sorry no where am i yeah okay sorry about that this these are

[4:56:30] Voice 2: your list of projects so you only have the one priority which is all strategic plan items which

[4:56:35] Voice 2: is enough for us to work on and then the projects down here items that are kind of waiting so that

[4:56:42] Voice 2: you can move them up as time permits. So given that, unless you want to make any changes to the

[4:56:53] Voice 2: priorities for staff, then we will continue with the strategic plan items.

[4:56:58] Voice 8: Thank you. Hi, we're not hearing you, but I see your hand up.

[4:57:11] Voice 8: Yeah,

[4:57:18] Voice 23: I just had one question regarding the Development Approval Information By-law,

[4:57:22] Voice 23: about what its status is.

[4:57:32] Voice 2: Yeah, no work's been done on that.

[4:57:34] Voice 2: It's just fallen off because we don't have any time

[4:57:38] Voice 2: or resources to do all the other items listed here,

[4:57:42] Voice 2: taking the time for regional planning committee.

[4:57:48] Voice 2: So that's-

[4:57:49] Voice 23: It'll fall to the next term then

[4:57:52] Voice 23: if it's going

[4:57:52] Voice 12: to happen or not.

[4:57:53] Voice 12: Yeah, yeah.

[4:57:55] Voice 23: Okay, thank you.

[4:57:56] Voice 27: Okay.

[4:57:59] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, Trustee Patrick.

[4:58:03] Voice 27: seeing that for the for the two housing initiatives that are up there on that that we had

[4:58:08] Voice 27: directed there was going to be some sort of a whatever it was going to be a round table with

[4:58:14] Voice 27: staff or something on housing initiatives should that not be explicit in there yeah through the

[4:58:22] Voice 2: chair this does need to be updated based on the last budget so we'll go in and do that the next

[4:58:28] Voice 2: meeting and that'll include uh renaming a bit in that strategic plan item uh to reflect that thank

[4:58:37] Trustee Busheikin: you good point uh trustee longer did you have something else or is that just a residual hand

[4:58:44] Voice 22: nope sorry i'll lower it i'll lower it all

[4:58:48] Trustee Busheikin: right so i don't think that we need to um

[4:58:52] Trustee Busheikin: adopt or confirm these right they just we've we have passed a motion to put the uh

[4:58:59] Trustee Busheikin: a freshwater sustainability strategy implementation thank you on there so that's that

[4:59:09] Trustee Busheikin: um in which case then i think we can move on and confirm that the next meeting is wednesday

[4:59:16] Trustee Busheikin: office 24th 2022 um we do not have a closed meeting um so in fact we've gotten to the end

[4:59:24] Trustee Busheikin: of the meeting at more or less three o'clock uh which is amazing um and i want to thank everyone

[4:59:31] Trustee Busheikin: that was a really packed and engaged and engaging meeting where we grappled with some difficult

[4:59:37] Trustee Busheikin: things and um i want to thank staff uh for your excellent support um of us and helping us move

[4:59:45] Trustee Busheikin: through these and i want to thank each and every individual member for all of your your input uh

[4:59:53] Trustee Busheikin: and the times when you were quiet, when you were listening, and the things you brought forward.

[5:00:00] Trustee Busheikin: um points you raised and the way you worked collegially with everyone else all of you i

[5:00:06] Trustee Busheikin: think we all did a really good job so uh with that i have nothing left to say so i will say

[5:00:14] Trustee Busheikin: see you at trust council i'll adjourn the meeting and uh thank you very much thanks everybody