Gambier Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 26, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): Welcome everybody to the meeting of the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): We've got one member of the public with us and I'll just go through the speaking notes here.

[0:00:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): I've started the recording and the live streaming. Thank you, Will, back in the office.

[0:00:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): This is an in-person meeting of the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee held in North Vancouver this time.

[0:00:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): I want to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today

[0:00:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): today in locations from across the traditional territory of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): Gabor Allen Local Trust Committee is in the Squamish Nation territory, but there are people

[0:00:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): joining us online, and we're over here in Vancouver, so Musqueam, Tsleil-Waututh, and

[0:00:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): Squamish Nation territories, and I'd just like to acknowledge them.

[0:00:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm Sue Ellen Fast, and I'm the elected on Bowen Island, and I'm the chair of this Gabor

[0:00:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): Allen Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): And with me today are Gambier Island Local Trustees,

[0:00:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): Kate Louise Stamford of Gambier,

[0:01:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): also known as Chuck Altmowich, how'd I do?

[0:01:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): Pretty close, yep.

[0:01:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): And also Dan Rogers of Keats.

[0:01:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you.

[0:01:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): And that's Lactines.

[0:01:11] Voice 10: Lactines is the name that is the most common, yes.

[0:01:14] Voice 10: As I understand it, there are many names around.

[0:01:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, for Bowen too.

[0:01:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, and together we make up

[0:01:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): And this meeting is being live streamed

[0:01:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): and recorded, which is probably already known for anybody who hasn't been able to attend

[0:01:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): in person and might want to check back later.

[0:01:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): And the recording will be up in a couple of days at the Island's Trust website, islandstrust.bc.ca.

[0:01:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we're going to have some people coming in by Zoom and apologizing in advance for

[0:01:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): technical issues, although it's been working pretty well lately on work.

[0:01:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): Staff members with us in the room here today are Regional Planning Manager Heather Power,

[0:01:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): and Marlis McCarter, our new

[0:02:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): Gabriel and planner. So that's great. Welcome. And joining

[0:02:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): us via Zoom are Diane Corbett, our minute taker. So she's

[0:02:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): taking, our professional minute taker is taking official minutes.

[0:02:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): You're there, Diane? Yes, I am. Very good. And just making sure

[0:02:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): that all the connections are still secure. And Stephen Baugh, who

[0:02:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): will present his staff report during the applications portion, another planner

[0:02:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): with the Northern Office and this meeting is an official forum for your

[0:02:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and

[0:02:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): discuss relevant business according to the Islands Trust Act and the local

[0:02:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): government act and the community charter some parts of the community charter that

[0:02:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): are provincial government regulations that we follow and I also want to add

[0:02:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): that this is a place of employment despite the fact that some staff are

[0:02:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): are remote or in their own workplaces. So our staff have a right to a safe, respectful

[0:02:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): workplace. And besides, meetings work better when it's like that anyway. So thank you.

[0:03:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I'd like to move on to the meeting. And if anybody's trying to get in and they can't

[0:03:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): find us on live stream or the Zoom, just email northinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca. And

[0:03:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): And Will will try and help you.

[0:03:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay.

[0:03:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): I just wanted to mention a special guest I brought with us today.

[0:03:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): Nature, part of this meeting.

[0:03:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): In the form of a mushroom identification book that was left in my car this morning by my neighbor who I've lent it to.

[0:03:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): Alrighty then.

[0:03:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): We've got an agenda in front of us.

[0:03:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): Some printed copies at the back.

[0:03:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's available at the website.

[0:03:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I'm going to turn to my trustees here and call the meeting to order.

[0:03:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): additions or changes to the agenda go ahead please um i did send through a motion for

[0:03:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): discussion but it it will be part of i think 9.2 after we've had an opportunity to discuss

[0:04:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): that development permit or variance permit i just have a request about how we inform the public

[0:04:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): about this particular, the RAP program.

[0:04:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I did send that ahead of time.

[0:04:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then the other thing I'm trying to think,

[0:04:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): maybe new business, this is just an item for discussion,

[0:04:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): is arranged to have a meeting with Ministry of Transportation

[0:04:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): and Infrastructure.

[0:04:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay.

[0:04:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I don't think we've had one this term.

[0:04:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): So under...

[0:04:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): Put that under new business?

[0:04:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah. All right. So 12.6. That's all I have. Okay. Meeting with Transportation and Infrastructure

[0:04:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): Minister. Is that what you mean? The Ministry. Okay. Okay. Anything, Dan, you'd like to add or

[0:05:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): adjust? Okay. Thank you. That's great. So then can I have a motion to adopt the agenda? Thank you.

[0:05:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you and all in favor very good that's adopted by well as well as consent um nothing

[0:05:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): to rise and report um we've got reports here so trustee reports go first k louise do you want to

[0:05:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): take it away first sure i did send this through to diane um in the interim period between our

[0:05:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): our previous Gambier Island Local Trust Committee meeting.

[0:05:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): I did a one-day site visit session with Planner Bell.

[0:05:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): We visited three different locations on Gambier Island

[0:05:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the Southwest Peninsula.

[0:05:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): I fielded community member concerns about road expectations,

[0:06:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): road maintenance, specifically more on the eastern side of the island.

[0:06:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): I attended the Howe Sound Community Forum at Furry Creek.

[0:06:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): I continue to support the activities of the Gambier Island Community Association New Brighton Dock Committee,

[0:06:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): providing background at their presentation to the regional district.

[0:06:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): I participated in the Islands Trust Regional District Annual Joint Meeting,

[0:06:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I see that the staff are in a better place to support exploratory actions around solutions for New Brighton Dock

[0:06:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): and possibly the islands' docks in general.

[0:06:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): I also attended the Salish Sea Conference via Zoom,

[0:06:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): and there were lots of good initiatives,

[0:06:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): especially around cross-border cooperation,

[0:06:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): specifically with First Nations as lead in those projects.

[0:06:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): I can talk more about that under the climate change when we report out

[0:06:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): because there's a few more items that came out of that.

[0:06:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): that so that i did that under the auspices of the island's trust conservancy and that's all i have

[0:07:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): to say okay thank you go ahead trustee rogers thanks i

[0:07:09] Voice 10: had to go back through my calendar to

[0:07:11] Voice 10: figure out all the things we've done since march um and uh some of them are the same i want to just

[0:07:19] Voice 10: as my fellow trustee of course

[0:07:22] Voice 10: there is

[0:07:24] Voice 10: all the work of the trust council

[0:07:26] Voice 10: and the executive

[0:07:28] Voice 10: committee that we

[0:07:30] Voice 10: are working on

[0:07:32] Voice 10: that work continues

[0:07:35] Voice 10: there's the

[0:07:36] Voice 10: preparation for trust council which is

[0:07:38] Voice 10: in June

[0:07:39] Voice 10: the 21st to the 23rd

[0:07:42] Voice 10: I think are the dates

[0:07:44] Voice 10: and that's a virtual

[0:07:47] Voice 10: trust council that

[0:07:48] Voice 10: will be on zoom and you can join on the tuesday evening so let me make sure i've got my dates

[0:07:55] Voice 10: correct before i say that yes that's the 21st um uh because what else would you want to do on the

[0:08:01] Voice 10: longest day of the year but sit in a town hall and delegation section of islands trust but you're

[0:08:07] Voice 10: welcome everybody's welcome to come and make comments to the trust council it's a seven

[0:08:12] Voice 10: o'clock till nine o'clock there's all that work that's going on i wanted to just say

[0:08:18] Voice 10: that i sit on the what's called the trust programs committee um we have two standing

[0:08:25] Voice 10: well we have more than we have the finance committee but and the regional planning

[0:08:29] Voice 10: committee but the trust programs committee has been tasked over the last number of years

[0:08:33] Voice 10: with uh doing some of the background work and the political work around uh and considerations

[0:08:40] Voice 10: and discussions around what's called the Trust Policy Statement.

[0:08:44] Voice 10: And that document, as many of you will know,

[0:08:50] Voice 10: we had a community consultation process ongoing

[0:08:55] Voice 10: through March, April, and into May.

[0:09:00] Voice 10: We did have a virtual consultation community meeting

[0:09:09] Voice 10: in this trust area beginning of march before the last local trust anyway the report from all of

[0:09:16] Voice 10: that communication and the survey and everything that was done is coming out uh probably uh next

[0:09:21] Voice 10: week as our understanding at least staff will have it next week and it will be on the agenda for

[0:09:26] Voice 10: the executive committee on for june the 8th so it will be available uh by the end of next week

[0:09:34] Voice 10: probably for anybody to see in any case the plan from the Trust Programs

[0:09:42] Voice 10: Committee is to take that document as and all of the feedback we've been

[0:09:49] Voice 10: receiving through the 2050 portal with of which there is hundreds of emails and

[0:09:56] Voice 10: letters petitions etc etc and have a special meeting of the Trust Programs

[0:10:03] Voice 10: committee probably in the first week of july where we gather and and spend the whole day

[0:10:09] Voice 10: workshopping now and making recommendations trust council that will be up to trust council to approve

[0:10:13] Voice 10: that plan but that's the current plan just so you know where that stands um okay uh the

[0:10:25] Voice 10: went to the house on forum on april the 29th um it's an it's a great place one of the considerations

[0:10:32] Voice 10: considerations, of course, is that elections are coming, and we don't know what the makeup of the

[0:10:37] Voice 10: forum will be. There's a lot of support amongst current electeds for the Housetown Forum,

[0:10:45] Voice 10: and there's a lot of support for the biosphere to continue to be the facilitator of that forum,

[0:10:53] Voice 10: and trying to figure out, we'll be talking a little later on today about trying to figure

[0:10:58] Voice 10: out how local governments including the islands trust or are we an agency there's a question um

[0:11:06] Voice 10: that uh they that um can support the house out for them um and making sure that newly elected

[0:11:14] Voice 10: people are familiar with it and that the gatherings can be continued to be had on a

[0:11:19] Voice 10: constructive basis uh it's a there's a couple of things coming on our agenda today starting

[0:11:26] Voice 10: starting to show that the biosphere and the forum

[0:11:30] Voice 10: getting some traction around some issues

[0:11:33] Voice 10: and the focus that it's going to have going forward.

[0:11:38] Voice 10: I also sat in on the, was part of the SCRD meeting.

[0:11:43] Voice 10: Those meetings have become very productive.

[0:11:46] Voice 10: And I want to give a shout out to the SCRD and the staff

[0:11:51] Voice 10: and our staff for making them very productive.

[0:11:54] Voice 10: We've been having them once every two years

[0:11:55] Voice 10: and the trustees and the directors from the NCRD.

[0:12:00] Voice 10: We have really good conversations about issues

[0:12:02] Voice 10: that are of importance to the islands.

[0:12:04] Voice 10: We get information.

[0:12:06] Voice 10: I put out a trustee update

[0:12:09] Voice 10: that summarized some of the more important things,

[0:12:12] Voice 10: such as their work around emergency planning,

[0:12:16] Voice 10: their work around FireSmart,

[0:12:18] Voice 10: and the update on the high-speed internet fiber issue.

[0:12:25] Voice 10: and that that's working its way through.

[0:12:28] Voice 10: And apparently there were, I didn't see them,

[0:12:30] Voice 10: but apparently there were people on Gambier and Keats last Friday

[0:12:34] Voice 10: looking for landing spots for the fiber to come onto the islands.

[0:12:38] Voice 10: Maybe Trustee Sanford saw them, but I didn't hear of them being there,

[0:12:42] Voice 10: which is great.

[0:12:45] Voice 10: I've been also working with the Keats Conservancy

[0:12:48] Voice 10: around a really badly eroded SCRD park,

[0:12:52] Voice 10: And I was very pleased that the SCRD senior staff knew about the work that we've been doing and was conscious of it and advised us that there had been a geotech over there.

[0:13:06] Voice 10: And so I'm really hoping that that particular issue has gotten on the SCRD's radar for their projects that the community can help with.

[0:13:18] Voice 10: And I was pleased to hear that.

[0:13:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): Which park is that?

[0:13:21] Voice 10: It's called West Beach Park.

[0:13:23] Voice 10: There's three beach parks in Eastbourne, West Beach,

[0:13:26] Voice 10: Wreck Beach, and East Beach, and West Beach

[0:13:30] Voice 10: is the one that's very heavily used, particularly

[0:13:34] Voice 10: in the summer. There can literally be 150

[0:13:38] Voice 10: people there on a summer Saturday.

[0:13:42] Voice 10: It has shown a lot of wear and tear,

[0:13:47] Voice 10: and there's lots of issues, but

[0:13:49] Voice 10: but they, it's, and there's been some clearing uphill of it.

[0:13:54] Voice 10: And as a result, there's been water issues, runoff and erosion,

[0:13:58] Voice 10: and also storm damage because it's open to the southeast.

[0:14:01] Voice 10: So the southeast storms can do damage.

[0:14:04] Voice 10: So there's issues that need to be paid attention to in order to do that.

[0:14:09] Voice 10: I think that's, I'm finished.

[0:14:11] Voice 10: I think that's my update.

[0:14:13] Voice 10: We'll be talking about some of the other issues that we're working on as we

[0:14:16] Voice 10: work our way through the agenda.

[0:14:17] Voice 10: Thanks very much.

[0:14:18] Voice 10: Sorry to be so long.

[0:14:19] Voice 10: Okay,

[0:14:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you very much. And I'll just go into Chair's report. I'll be brief. I'll point people to 15.1 on the agenda is Trust Council highlights, decision highlights from March 2022.

[0:14:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that's where you can read about we adopted the budget and some of the projects that Trustee Rogers mentioned.

[0:14:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): mentioned, as the whole Council of 26 trustees, Islands Trust, and I'll just mention 12.3

[0:14:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): in our agenda is the meeting follow-up from the SCRD protocol meeting that both trustees

[0:14:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): have talked about. A couple of days ago, I guess, I was in an Islands Trust Conservancy

[0:15:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): meeting, which

[0:15:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): chaired by our

[0:15:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): Gambier trustee

[0:15:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): Kate Louise,

[0:15:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): ably chaired, and

[0:15:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): so that was a wonderful meeting. I think

[0:15:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): we're up to 77 properties protected

[0:15:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): throughout the

[0:15:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): Islands Trust area.

[0:15:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): On Tuesday

[0:15:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): night, after that meeting, I was at a

[0:15:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): Bowen council meetings

[0:15:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): as a municipal trustee,

[0:15:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): but also a municipal councillor.

[0:15:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): um so that took me till that was a 12-hour day let's just put it that way lots of things

[0:15:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): happening uh including a conservation development policy which is uh interesting the idea is that

[0:15:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): for big rezoning nature takes half in protected areas of some kind um and then uh this meeting

[0:15:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then on Monday evening, Marla's, I will, no, anyway, Denman Island is on the agenda for a community information meeting.

[0:16:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then the following day, local trust committee meeting.

[0:16:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I think that's my report. I'll just stop there.

[0:16:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): Electoral area director Mark Hiltz joined us at the SCRD meeting, but wasn't able to make it today.

[0:16:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): And so we'll move on to town hall.

[0:16:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): Did you want to say anything in this part about general things, Nathan?

[0:16:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): Or did you want to wait for your application to come up?

[0:16:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): We'll wait for my application.

[0:16:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay. Thank you.

[0:16:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): So no one else is present online either.

[0:16:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we'll just move past Town Hall today and into the minutes.

[0:16:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we're on page four of the agenda.

[0:16:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): Any changes to the minutes?

[0:16:44] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:16:44] Voice 2: Page 12

[0:16:51] Voice 10: of the package, page nine of the minutes.

[0:16:55] Voice 10: um there is a discussion around um the keech island shoreline protection project

[0:17:04] Voice 10: um and in the fourth sentence on page 12 it says the community has provided 15 meters setback from

[0:17:10] Voice 10: the sea was not workable and lots are only eight feet deep that's what i have um and of course that

[0:17:16] i'm sure that's just a title that should be probably 80

[0:17:19] Voice 10: feet deep i don't know what we

[0:17:21] Voice 10: actually said it's certainly not eight because a 14 meter setback would be a highly unworkable if

[0:17:28] Voice 10: the lots um i don't actually recall what what was said it was probably me that was talking

[0:17:35] Voice 10: um i know that some of the lots are only 70 or 80 feet deep so um let's let's assume 80 would

[0:17:43] Voice 10: i think 80 is probably the right number okay uh and and that makes some sense we've got 45

[0:17:49] Voice 10: five meter setback a 45 foot setback anyway yeah um i i actually yeah and some of them might be

[0:17:57] Voice 10: smaller than that so i i but i i'm content if it says 80 okay okay that's the only change i'd like

[0:18:04] Voice 10: to see thank

[0:18:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): you and uh can't wait yeah that was the only uh correction i saw but i do have a

[0:18:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): question arising and that was gm 2022-016 and it was a motion moved that the gambier island

[0:18:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): local trust committee request staff to provide the staff report in the addendum dated march

[0:18:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): 31st 2022 regarding lot 23 district 1259 blah blah blah blah conservative and be sent to the

[0:18:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): conservancy for information so that i just want to make sure that was done because i haven't seen

[0:18:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): seen anything on the consumancy side. I know it's not a big issue, but just to make sure

[0:18:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): that it's followed through. So that's the only question I have.

[0:18:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): Great. Sounds like you can put a check mark beside it. Thank you for the question. Anything

[0:18:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): else on the minutes? No, not for me. Okay.

[0:18:53] Voice 10: No, and I'm just looking in, and for whatever reason, it doesn't appear to have shown up

[0:18:57] Voice 10: on the follow-up action. That's why I asked.

[0:18:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, but it was pretty minor. Okay.

[0:19:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay. Good.

[0:19:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay. Well, thank you, everybody,

[0:19:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): then let's adopt the minutes by consensus then hearing no more changes

[0:19:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): and we'll move on now to the follow-up action list on page 16 so any questions

[0:19:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): here obviously we've picked up that one that didn't get on to it because it was

[0:19:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): a simple one right

[0:19:27] Voice 10: so i have a couple of

[0:19:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): questions please go ahead um

[0:19:32] Voice 10: um the very first one october

[0:19:39] Voice 10: 14 2021 uh and it i can remember that discussion fairly clearly um that we wondered about because

[0:19:51] Voice 10: there was a staff report that said that the level of engagement could only be whatever the second

[0:19:57] Voice 10: what is discussion i forget what it is iap2 constitution and we were concerned that it also

[0:20:07] Voice 10: that it wanted to have engagement as part of it i thought that had all been clarified um

[0:20:14] and that we had gotten an answer that

[0:20:16] Voice 10: yes we can have con because there i can recall there's a

[0:20:20] Voice 10: staff report i thought from director marlin that came to ec because i raised it and we got a staff

[0:20:27] Voice 10: report that indicated that you could melt the two uh two and three uh am i wrong am i

[0:20:35] Voice 10: misremembering because i misremember a lot of things nowadays there's so much going on

[0:20:40] Voice 9: i i don't remember um and i i don't remember seeing that ac report so um it just may have

[0:20:48] Voice 9: been that you you've got an ac and we didn't see it or i just don't remember so maybe okay so my

[0:20:55] Voice 10: question is have we resolved this for the the purposes of the g the gambler island ocp and lbp

[0:21:03] Voice 10: targeted review process because i would think you should have resolved it because you put an rfd out

[0:21:09] Voice 10: for consultation etc etc and you must have spelled out what the what the uh the level of engagement

[0:21:16] Voice 10: is i know that it's just fair but i don't even know what i p stands for but um but i know it's

[0:21:25] Voice 10: the standard for most planning people in terms of the level of concept and how they do consultation

[0:21:30] Voice 10: community consultation and i've read it but i don't know what iap stands for international

[0:21:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): association of public participation okay that's what the two is for the two

[0:21:40] Voice 10: oh i see uh anyway

[0:21:42] Voice 10: that um i wonder has that issue been resolved for the purposes of the gambia it's a good question

[0:21:47] Voice 10: because

[0:21:48] Voice 7: if it is

[0:21:48] Voice 10: it should be marked completed on here

[0:21:50] Voice 7: i i don't know that if there was a report

[0:21:52] Voice 7: support either but last meeting Jillian Nichol who's our engagement specialist she put forward

[0:21:58] Voice 7: a engagement framework for the project and it's in it she talks about the first three so inform

[0:22:07] Voice 7: consult and involve right good okay

[0:22:12] Voice 10: so so that's what I thought uh hello uh um all right well then

[0:22:20] Voice 10: Well, let's leave that there, and I'll go see if I can find that staff report, because I was pretty sure, because I know I took the issue to executive committee, because I was concerned that we were getting mixed messages about what the level of engagement was, and I know that the staff was responding to what they thought that was directive from the director.

[0:22:44] Voice 10: So I'll go find that.

[0:22:45] Voice 10: My second question, if I might, Madam Chair, is I guess at some point, we need to have a conversation about the next item down, which is, does the local trust committee have an intention of filing a response to the referral on the trust policy statement once the engagement correspondence is there, like a formal response?

[0:23:17] Voice 10: And I'm guessing some of them will want to do it

[0:23:20] Voice 10: because some of them are more engaged

[0:23:21] Voice 10: and are hearing more from their community than others.

[0:23:25] Voice 10: And I know we've both said that, you know,

[0:23:27] Voice 10: while we've had some feedback in the community,

[0:23:29] Voice 10: it's been relatively, I call it muted.

[0:23:34] Voice 10: And I guess the question is,

[0:23:36] Voice 10: are we going to set aside some time as trustees?

[0:23:39] Voice 10: And I guess I'm turning to Trustee Stamford

[0:23:42] Voice 10: for her thoughts and of course you, Chair,

[0:23:43] Voice 10: chair to actually talk about what kind of response do we want to give formally because we got a

[0:23:49] Voice 10: formal referral and we've deferred i

[0:23:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): thought we were going to provide our formal referral at first

[0:23:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): reading it's referred to us after first reading

[0:24:02] Voice 10: it will not i don't think it'll come back to us

[0:24:05] Voice 10: not

[0:24:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): under this the

[0:24:06] Voice 10: only requirement for a formal referral after first reading is to

[0:24:11] Voice 10: to regional districts.

[0:24:13] Voice 10: And I would have guessed that there may be,

[0:24:16] Voice 10: depending on the amendments,

[0:24:17] Voice 10: there may be some referrals back to First Nations.

[0:24:20] Voice 10: I don't know if it'll come back to local trust committees.

[0:24:24] Voice 2: Okay,

[0:24:24] Voice 10: I don't think that's a given.

[0:24:27] Voice 10: And I think the intention was,

[0:24:29] Voice 10: is that local trust committees give their feedback

[0:24:32] Voice 10: before first reading.

[0:24:33] Voice 10: And I'm okay with not giving it

[0:24:35] Voice 10: and just leaving it with our commentary of trust council.

[0:24:38] Voice 10: I'm on trust programs committee,

[0:24:39] Voice 10: So I'll have my way to, I'll have my opportunity to say what I want to say and be part of that.

[0:24:45] Voice 10: I think I have lots of opportunities, but if we wanted to make any formal, I would suggest we put this on the July agenda because by then we'll have the ISL report.

[0:24:56] Voice 10: We'll be able to determine whether from the perspective of the Gambier Local Trust Committee, there's anything that we want to say about the draft policy statement.

[0:25:06] Voice 10: Like, for example, I'm pretty sure some local trust committees will say, we don't want forest or tree bylaws cutting issue of authority, sorry, authority.

[0:25:22] Voice 10: There'll be others that'll say things like, we don't think there should be prohibitions on desalination, and things of that nature.

[0:25:30] Voice 10: And some of those things we might want to talk about too, whether we have

[0:25:34] Voice 10: a position on some of those issues.

[0:25:36] Voice 10: the docs issue doesn't apply to us because we're excluded from it um but we have

[0:25:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): desalination on

[0:25:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): our

[0:25:44] Voice 10: i know there's a white my neighbor has a small was all excited he bought himself a small

[0:25:49] Voice 10: desalination project and i'm going oh my god what's that gonna look like um anyway so can we

[0:25:58] Voice 10: We just agree that it'll be on our July agenda.

[0:26:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, I've made a note.

[0:26:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you.

[0:26:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): And we'll all try and catch that point.

[0:26:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you.

[0:26:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then I'll be able to get it.

[0:26:08] Voice 10: And then on the first point I made, I'll go back and see if I can find that,

[0:26:12] Voice 10: and we can maybe put it on the agenda.

[0:26:14] Voice 10: Because I like to take things off the follow-up action list

[0:26:17] Voice 10: if they're not really needed anymore.

[0:26:20] Voice 10: Thanks.

[0:26:20] Voice 10: That's my comment.

[0:26:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Good.

[0:26:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): And there's a lot of completed things on there.

[0:26:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): We've got some of these in front of us today.

[0:26:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): day. And very

[0:26:32] Voice 2: good. In progress. Yep. All right. And that, that

[0:26:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): bottom one, if I can just ask one

[0:26:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): question, bottom of page 17. Number nine, this is the letter that I've seen and signed. Is that

[0:26:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): correct? Yeah. Okay, good. That's part of that process. Good. That's great. So that letter has

[0:26:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): gone there. Wonderful. And anything else on the follow up action list? Okay, that's great.

[0:27:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): anything from you guys let's move on all right so applications here we are at uh

[0:27:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): this is the swaying application um are you the applicant

[0:27:18] Voice 1: has arrived very

[0:27:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): good thank you and so

[0:27:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): this starts on page 18 there's copies of the agenda behind you um if you are interested and

[0:27:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): or if you haven't got it on your device or something like that and uh this is great and

[0:27:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): And there's also a piece of paper there that looks like this,

[0:27:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): and there'll be a chance for you to speak.

[0:27:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): So the way it works is when an application comes before the LTC for a decision,

[0:27:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): which is the point we're at here, staff will present a report, recommendations,

[0:27:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): and then you'll have a chance to speak for up to five minutes

[0:27:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): to say whatever you want to say, your concurrence or advise of any errors

[0:28:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): or omissions of that kind of thing.

[0:28:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): and then we'll, LTC makes a decision

[0:28:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): and then you can ask questions of clarification

[0:28:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that kind of thing.

[0:28:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): Sound good?

[0:28:10] Voice 5: That sounds fine.

[0:28:10] Voice 5: Yeah, I might just make one point.

[0:28:13] Voice 5: I've had a change of heart.

[0:28:15] Voice 5: I'm willing to go ahead with the advice

[0:28:18] Voice 5: of moving ahead with the proposed work with a surveyor.

[0:28:24] Voice 5: So that's fine.

[0:28:25] Voice 5: I just wanted to come and make a statement.

[0:28:27] Voice 5: So you know there's not a...

[0:28:30] Voice 5: Oh, okay.

[0:28:31] Voice 5: All righty.

[0:28:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): Good.

[0:28:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, then just stand by for your chance to say more.

[0:28:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, so we're on page 18, and is Stephen with us?

[0:28:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): Here he comes.

[0:28:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): You can see he's joining us on the Zoom meeting,

[0:28:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): and we should have the sound in a moment.

[0:28:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): And

[0:28:54] Voice 2: I think, yeah, there you are.

[0:29:08] Voice 2: Hello, Stephen.

[0:29:09] Voice 1: Hi.

[0:29:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): Well, that's great.

[0:29:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): Can you folks hear the sound?

[0:29:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): Good.

[0:29:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): Good. Okay, so we're just making sure that everybody can hear you, Stephen, and we can see you on the Zoom screen, and we've got the applicant is in the room, two applicants in the room, actually, and indicating a change of heart, but please go ahead with your recommendation, which, and then he'll tell us how he's come to see your view at the end. So go ahead, Stephen, take it away.

[0:29:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): sure

[0:29:40] Voice 1: and this is for uh gmdp 2020.2 just to confirm yes

[0:29:46] Voice 10: swing swing yes okay

[0:29:48] Voice 1: yeah this

[0:29:49] Voice 1: application is a request for the ltc to waive the requirement for an applicant to provide a

[0:29:54] Voice 1: legal survey for a development permit application and this one's at lot 28 mark mount

[0:30:00] Voice 1: Artavan Road on Gambier Island. Staff are recommending that the LTC deem the legal

[0:30:04] Voice 1: survey is reasonably necessary because the applicable boundaries of development permit

[0:30:09] Voice 1: area two and development permit area three each rely on correctly determining the location of a

[0:30:14] Voice 1: natural boundary which would most accurately be done by a BC land surveyor and survey would also

[0:30:21] Voice 1: confirm whether required setbacks are being achieved for the buildings and structures on

[0:30:25] Voice 1: the property okay

[0:30:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you and we've got your uh report in front of us here um do we need the

[0:30:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh planner to present this full report ltc i i read it it's quite straightforward i just have

[0:30:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): a couple questions yeah

[0:30:45] Voice 10: no i i my only question would be do we need a motion if given what the

[0:30:49] Voice 10: applicant has already said to us well

[0:30:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'd like to hear first well or do you want to ask your

[0:30:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): questions at the planner first yeah i just wanted to um ask one of the things that wasn't clear to

[0:31:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): me on here was exactly where dpa2 uh two was on the map like i know it's there somewhere

[0:31:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): but i i know that that's part of the concern is exactly where it is but i wanted an indication

[0:31:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): of how far up from the shoreline DPA-2 went,

[0:31:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): at least in like a zoning,

[0:31:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): from one of our zoning maps that shows you where the DPA-2 is.

[0:31:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I couldn't really tell where to at least expect it might go.

[0:31:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): I don't know if there's a way you can answer that, Stephen,

[0:31:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): on a Zoom meeting here, but...

[0:31:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): Anyway, it was just a comment more than anything, Stephen.

[0:31:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): so for maybe for the next report yeah oh okay all right and

[0:31:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh how about you well

[0:31:55] Voice 10: so as i

[0:31:56] Voice 10: understand that at some point there'll be or there must be a development permit application

[0:32:02] Voice 10: filed and let's see it and there'd be a dpa2 and a dpa3 i'm not quite clear where the three is

[0:32:09] Voice 10: is but where or where it might be I guess it might be the where the stream started down the gully

[0:32:20] Voice 10: yeah which

[0:32:20] Voice 10: is challenging and but at this point the issue simply is whether there's going to be

[0:32:31] Voice 10: a survey or not yeah and as I understand Mr. Swain he's now decided probably for a lot of

[0:32:39] Voice 10: for reasons that a survey is not a bad idea, which I can see,

[0:32:44] Voice 10: although I was actually quite empathetic to his reasoning.

[0:32:50] Voice 5: But

[0:32:50] Voice 10: I don't know that we need a motion.

[0:32:54] Voice 10: I guess when we see the actual development permit on our agenda,

[0:32:59] Voice 10: that's when we'll get the...

[0:33:02] Voice 10: As I understand the DP2, it's a 15-weeker buffer.

[0:33:05] Voice 10: And so it's sort of like what's being proposed for Keats

[0:33:08] is

[0:33:08] Voice 10: you know 15 meters will be whatever it is on every particular piece of property right

[0:33:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): well that one's a little bit bigger but i could be wrong

[0:33:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): anyway we're not worried about that part today today we're just looking at this part about uh

[0:33:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): whether a survey is reasonably necessary.

[0:33:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I think, thank you, Stephen, for your report.

[0:33:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm not hearing more questions from trustees at this point.

[0:33:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): So maybe I'll ask the applicant,

[0:33:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): if you wanted to say a few words

[0:33:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): before we look at the recommendation.

[0:33:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): Sure.

[0:33:48] Voice 5: So thank you, both the planners and the trustees and the chair.

[0:33:52] Voice 5: Yeah, so I really wanted to come here today.

[0:33:54] Voice 5: I did have, you know, reading through Stephen's report

[0:33:57] Voice 5: and taking everything into consideration,

[0:34:00] Voice 5: including what we intend to do in the property in the future.

[0:34:02] Voice 5: I just wanted to give a little bit of context.

[0:34:05] Voice 5: When we purchased the property many years ago,

[0:34:08] Voice 5: I think 16, 17 years ago,

[0:34:11] there was this, I'm going to call it trench,

[0:34:14] through the property.

[0:34:16] Voice 5: There is clear evidence that the land went like this

[0:34:20] Voice 5: and then continues on.

[0:34:21] Voice 5: There was not a gully for that a river

[0:34:25] Voice 5: naturally went ever down that place.

[0:34:27] Voice 5: Like there's actually other areas outside of the boundary that we're talking about that we're doing any work in that you can see where the natural river or water would go down.

[0:34:39] Voice 5: So what happened, though, was, yes, the foresters at the time removed the overburden, considerable overburden, down to a clay base, both in the trench and the other area.

[0:34:51] Voice 5: So we, essentially, on that lower section of the property, divides the property in two.

[0:34:58] Voice 5: And we have children who are now 13 and 15, so they're still kids, aren't they?

[0:35:02] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:35:03] Voice 5: And other friends, you know, coming by.

[0:35:06] Voice 5: The wall, the drop-off was considerable, almost 15 feet.

[0:35:11] Voice 5: And so something had to be done.

[0:35:14] Voice 5: My mistake was not in contacting planners and doing everything.

[0:35:19] Voice 5: I appreciate that.

[0:35:20] Voice 5: The intent was to replace it to the way it was, and that's not just the trench, but at the foot of the trench, there is a plateau.

[0:35:34] Voice 5: It's probably 50, 60 feet long and about 10 to 12 feet wide.

[0:35:40] Voice 5: We have an encroach on the water, the active water itself.

[0:35:43] Voice 5: itself. But that whole area, the trench and the plateau, a foreshore bench, was barren

[0:35:55] Voice 5: of soil. I mean, if there was this much, it would be... And so therefore, it became an

[0:36:02] Voice 5: area of breeding of mosquitoes, it became an area of just... Nothing would grow. We

[0:36:07] Voice 5: had a couple of trees growing, so I won't say nothing grew, but a couple of trees. But

[0:36:11] But it was an

[0:36:12] Voice 5: awful place, right?

[0:36:14] Voice 5: It wasn't a place that your kids were going to go play, nothing.

[0:36:16] Voice 5: So the intent on us was to replace it to the way that it was.

[0:36:21] Voice 5: And that's all we did.

[0:36:22] Voice 5: We replaced that overburden, and we filled in that trench, water.

[0:36:28] What we did is,

[0:36:29] Voice 5: in doing that, we had contractors do it.

[0:36:32] Voice 5: Of course, we didn't do it.

[0:36:33] Voice 5: And what they did is they did a lot of branches,

[0:36:37] Voice 5: which were trees that were removed on our property.

[0:36:40] Voice 5: And the reason for that is, I don't know if you're familiar with Gambier, but Gambier, it's all, you know, you've got firs, the maples are not necessarily native, like going way back, because you can actually see where the road was put in and now maples follow that area, right?

[0:36:56] Voice 5: At one point, it was first.

[0:36:57] Voice 5: They weren't the maples.

[0:36:59] Voice 5: So what happened is the maples grow, as we all know,

[0:37:02] Voice 5: they get to 80 years old or whatever, they're mostly rotten.

[0:37:05] Voice 5: And so we were having not only branches fall, but trees fall.

[0:37:10] Voice 5: And so we took out about, I'm going to say 10,

[0:37:13] Voice 5: they were about this size, with a professional faller

[0:37:15] Voice 5: that assessed them prior to, again, without consultation.

[0:37:20] Voice 5: My bad.

[0:37:22] Voice 5: And I truly mean my bad because I didn't do it for,

[0:37:26] Voice 5: I'm going to get one over on these guys but I but we we did it because it was a safety threat

[0:37:32] Voice 5: and I have pictures documenting every tree that we took out and every rotten some of them had only

[0:37:37] Voice 5: less than a third of their mass good mass level and we removed those we utilized those in the

[0:37:43] Voice 5: ditch pressing them down with a 10 ton excavator then putting soil on the top and compacting to

[0:37:49] Voice 5: to the point where water now flows through, goes for it.

[0:37:53] Voice 5: But the cool thing, this is what I'm proud of

[0:37:56] Voice 5: because I have a bunch of bio-based companies

[0:37:59] Voice 5: and I'm all 25 years, I've been in the eco industry, right?

[0:38:03] Voice 5: Is the fact that now on that slope and on that trench,

[0:38:07] Voice 5: all around it, everything, native plants are growing back.

[0:38:10] Voice 5: Not ones that we've had to replant,

[0:38:12] Voice 5: but all the things that appear on the rest of our foreshore.

[0:38:16] Voice 5: We've got about just over 600 feet of foreshore.

[0:38:18] Voice 5: or those other things that we're never going to go to,

[0:38:21] Voice 5: now they're all growing back.

[0:38:23] Voice 5: So just a couple other points was,

[0:38:27] Voice 5: and, you know, we had the report done.

[0:38:29] Voice 5: There were some things, construction of a boathouse.

[0:38:32] Voice 5: Yes, we put a boathouse in.

[0:38:34] Voice 5: You can, anybody's available,

[0:38:35] Voice 5: want to anytime you can come by.

[0:38:37] Voice 5: You couldn't put a bed in there.

[0:38:38] Voice 5: You couldn't put a chair in it.

[0:38:39] Voice 5: You couldn't put this.

[0:38:40] Voice 5: We have kids.

[0:38:41] Voice 5: Kids, we've got 10 kayaks.

[0:38:43] Voice 5: We've got, you know, the kids are,

[0:38:45] Voice 5: that's our life when we go over there is the ocean.

[0:38:47] Voice 5: So we have a nice beach in front, so we're very careful and caring and those.

[0:38:55] Voice 5: The construction of a walking bridge, it makes it sound like it's this incredible structure.

[0:39:00] Voice 5: It's essentially a four foot three, two by 12s that are four foot long that cross the stream, the natural stream.

[0:39:07] Voice 5: They do not impact the stream at all. They do not do damage to the stream. Clearing and grading southwest of the road up top.

[0:39:15] Voice 5: and yes we've done we've uh and again somebody in in the past i don't know you mentioned you

[0:39:22] Voice 5: were the grader but there were stuff piled up on that piece of land the land went like this

[0:39:28] Voice 5: to the point where over over an area the topography you couldn't do anything with it and it and it's

[0:39:34] Voice 5: we we want to grow our fruits and vegetables and things over there so we cleared that area of land

[0:39:39] Voice 5: And again, contractors brought them in, did it very carefully.

[0:39:46] Voice 5: We've got two storage sheds, eight by 10 storage sheds and cedar.

[0:39:51] Voice 5: You know, everything we do, we're not trying plastics.

[0:39:52] Voice 5: We're trying to make sure it looks natural and green roofs, it all blends in.

[0:39:57] Voice 5: We remove the trees, which I discussed before.

[0:40:00] Voice 5: And yes, the cedar decks, we have two decks in currently, all cedar.

[0:40:06] Voice 5: They've all weathered out.

[0:40:07] Voice 5: We're not staining them.

[0:40:08] Voice 5: They look beautiful.

[0:40:09] Voice 5: They go back into the land.

[0:40:12] Voice 5: We've kept them below the 1.5-meter or whatever point of height.

[0:40:18] Voice 5: The one that we have not built yet, which is further on to that point,

[0:40:22] Voice 5: if you look at the picture of our property,

[0:40:25] Voice 5: there is a natural rock indent.

[0:40:31] Voice 5: So we have a deck that we built over 10 years.

[0:40:34] Voice 5: Every piece of wood that we find that was a dimensional piece of wood,

[0:40:37] Voice 5: we just add a piece on.

[0:40:39] Voice 5: So just by ourselves,

[0:40:40] Voice 5: you can't see that from the ocean if you drive by.

[0:40:43] Voice 5: And so that's, we're just looking to extend that

[0:40:46] Voice 5: and make it safer on that section.

[0:40:48] Voice 5: So I wanted to come here today,

[0:40:49] Voice 5: but only because sometimes these documents

[0:40:52] Voice 5: don't tell the true story

[0:40:54] Voice 5: and we've done everything safely.

[0:40:56] Voice 5: We've done everything with complete respect.

[0:40:59] Voice 5: We love it there.

[0:41:00] Voice 5: When I'm not there, I'm thinking about being there

[0:41:02] Voice 5: and my kids love it there

[0:41:04] Voice 5: and they're little amateur botanists

[0:41:05] Voice 5: and you know so that's our life over there so i do care tremendously about what happens on that

[0:41:11] Voice 5: property and and for generations to come we're not looking to flip and sell we're going to have it

[0:41:16] Voice 5: for you know in trust with our family for years and decades and hopefully generations and generation

[0:41:22] Voice 5: generations to go so just wanted to share that with you guys today and and yes i have deemed

[0:41:28] Voice 5: that it's important for other air primarily really because of other areas on the property

[0:41:33] Voice 5: that one day when money is there we'd like to build a house again it won't be within the setback

[0:41:39] Voice 5: to the ocean of the 15 meters it won't be in current it won't be on any water courses it's not

[0:41:44] Voice 5: it's set back from the water down below and uh yeah we've got a greenhouse not in that picture

[0:41:50] Voice 5: we're up on the road and we're putting it going to put in a greenhouse it's 30 feet long but we've

[0:41:55] Voice 5: been we've dug a section out where we can put it into so it's non-obtrusive for people

[0:42:02] Voice 5: neighbors can't even say it from their properties but it's okay just think about that and do you

[0:42:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): want to say a few words about the uh your decision around the surveys primarily

[0:42:13] Voice 5: yeah thank you and

[0:42:15] Voice 5: primarily because uh in truth not as much as relating to this work but i appreciate the

[0:42:22] Voice 5: necessity to do a survey keep everybody uh uh do it correctly right and i we certainly be very

[0:42:29] Voice 5: careful not to infringe on other people's properties and and setbacks etc so i understand

[0:42:33] Voice 5: that but also that you know yes our intention is to um uh you know kids don't have a volleyball

[0:42:41] Voice 5: court up top not a hard pack but in grass you know so it's good to let you guys know what our

[0:42:47] Voice 5: intentions are and none of it will be within that boundary of the ocean or boundary of our setbacks

[0:42:54] Voice 5: from our neighbors but like I said we just want to have an amazing experience over there but one

[0:43:00] where we can enjoy it so we can play volleyball etc but at the same time

[0:43:05] Voice 5: we want it to look as

[0:43:07] Voice 5: natural as possible whenever you do work it you scar that first year and then things start to

[0:43:13] Voice 5: come back so we're not any weeds other than the invasive ones just go first like I wanted to be

[0:43:20] Voice 5: that completely natural bees everywhere and you know very

[0:43:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): good okay thank you um i'm uh hearing

[0:43:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): that we're in accord here but we do have a recommendation in front of us and i'd like to

[0:43:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): keep it clean by actually passing the recommendation so can i have a motion to

[0:43:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): go ahead and kick weasel i move that the gamma around local trust committee has determined that

[0:43:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's reasonably necessary that the applicant of gmdp 2020.2 slain provide as required by section

[0:43:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): Section 2.81 of the Gambier Island land use bylaw number 86, a plan signed by BC Land Surveyor showing the location of the lot of all existing and proposed buildings, structures, sewage absorption fields in relation to the lot and zone boundaries, watercourses, wells, sea, in relation to other buildings on the lot.

[0:44:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you. Do I have a seconder?

[0:44:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): Sure, I'll second.

[0:44:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, great. So we've got a motion discussion.

[0:44:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): discussion. Well, I just want to say I really appreciate you coming in, Nicholas. It does

[0:44:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): really help provide that context. It was understood that this was something that I'd heard from other

[0:44:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): neighbors that the intent is there, but sometimes there was a question as to how you were getting

[0:44:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): there. I think that seemed to be part of it. I do really think, I think we did just determine it is

[0:44:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): a hundred foot setback from the ocean in that

[0:44:48] Voice 10: area right well it's it's very strangely hybrid

[0:44:53] Voice 10: i've looked it's 15 meters it's 15 meters and an area 30 meters c word oh c word c word okay

[0:45:00] Voice 10: because

[0:45:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): i know there's something special about that division

[0:45:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay and

[0:45:05] Voice 10: uh so that's yes it's 15

[0:45:08] Voice 10: So

[0:45:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): at any time, just that anything is happening in the foreshore, there's going to be a lot of ice, especially your subdivision, but some of the people that live there.

[0:45:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I really appreciate that, that you're moving forward in this way.

[0:45:26] Voice 5: I have that too, is when I, when it was noted by a neighbor and the whole thing came up, and

[0:45:32] Voice 5: I was dealing with Ian at that time, he had Cox, and Ian had said,

[0:45:38] Voice 5: look you know retroactively and i said okay so i'm gonna have to go get survey and he goes no

[0:45:43] Voice 5: you're

[0:45:44] Voice 3: not gonna have

[0:45:44] Voice 5: to get a survey so that was what i've been kind of hanging on

[0:45:48] Voice 5: but i but given that over that time we built other sheds and other things

[0:45:53] Voice 5: that that yeah

[0:45:54] Voice 5: that there is necessity and

[0:45:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm going to speak to that after we okay or any more discussion

[0:46:01] Voice 10: no not really i mean i'm not sure we need the motion but if you guys

[0:46:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah i think it's just

[0:46:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): to get through i

[0:46:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): think we want to have it clear in there what what uh our decision was and that

[0:46:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): kind of thing and and and the yeah well

[0:46:13] Voice 10: yeah i mean i but i will say i'm not sure i would have

[0:46:17] Voice 10: voted in favor of this but for the applicants uh acquiescence so okay just just so you know

[0:46:23] Voice 2: okay

[0:46:24] Voice 10: well

[0:46:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm going to call the question all those in favor very good thank you that passes

[0:46:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): is unanimously for the record safe keeper so i'd just like to make a comment that it's happened a

[0:46:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): couple of times now where proponents have come to us and said well the planner said xyz and now

[0:46:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): we're dealing with the opposite recommendation so i'm wondering is this an occurrence in other

[0:46:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): local trust areas and what is being considered to try and prevent mix-ups like this because it's

[0:47:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): very hard to then come back on a telephone conversation because we don't know what was

[0:47:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): said but it is from a proponent's side it is difficult to hear um that they've been given

[0:47:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): one piece of advice and then actually that hasn't been the advice to go through so do you see it as

[0:47:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): a as a systemic problem or is this just one off or it's

[0:47:24] Voice 9: just a communication

[0:47:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): problem i've heard

[0:47:25] Voice 9: over

[0:47:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): time yeah things

[0:47:28] Voice 9: get built from my perspective on this particular type of thing

[0:47:33] Voice 9: um the issue is that our application form says provide a survey but the bylaw says that you

[0:47:42] Voice 9: don't need a survey if the ltc waives the requirement so um so the only way for them

[0:47:48] Voice 9: to get to come through us

[0:47:49] Voice 9: yeah is to come to you which is a delaying process right okay um so that

[0:47:55] Voice 9: that's how this sort of thing happens and and there are other bylaws and other ltcs that do this

[0:48:01] Voice 10: and thus probably the answer to an applicant or a moment is i can't tell you whether you need

[0:48:11] Voice 10: in a survey, only the LTC can make that.

[0:48:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yes.

[0:48:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): So

[0:48:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): is it okay if

[0:48:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): Nicholas speaks

[0:48:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): through the chair?

[0:48:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yes,

[0:48:23] Voice 5: we've made the decision.

[0:48:24] Voice 5: I just

[0:48:25] Voice 5: want to add, I think Ian's

[0:48:27] Voice 5: just, I know it's all

[0:48:29] Voice 5: hearsay, but

[0:48:31] Voice 5: Ian, the comment

[0:48:33] Voice 5: was more related to the fact that

[0:48:35] Voice 5: we were taking something that

[0:48:37] Voice 5: had been destroyed and restoring

[0:48:39] storing it and he's like well this doesn't happen

[0:48:42] Voice 5: how you know normally we deal with someone that

[0:48:45] Voice 5: takes it and just so how how do i treat that so i think that was more in our specific case that was

[0:48:51] Voice 5: what what was good and

[0:48:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): this is not the only time that i've had that comment and so i just a

[0:48:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): recommendation i'm sure planners are doing this is that when they do have phone calls like this

[0:49:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): that there is some email backup so that the proponent then is really clear or the

[0:49:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): the constituent member is really like has it in writing this is what the intent was because i

[0:49:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): think conversation can sometimes meander and they may not understand and you know but it just has

[0:49:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): happened a couple times now so anyway thank you very much

[0:49:27] Voice 5: thank you for everything you guys do

[0:49:28] Voice 5: i really appreciate it well

[0:49:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): thanks for coming in and may i say i look forward

[0:49:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): to having more

[0:49:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): restoration projects coming in.

[0:49:35] Voice 10: Yes, this is terrific.

[0:49:36] Voice 10: We clone. Yeah, thank

[0:49:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): you. I like this. Thank you and have a

[0:49:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): great summer.

[0:49:43] Voice 2: I mean,

[0:49:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): could it get any clutter in here? We can

[0:49:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): open some windows. I

[0:49:49] Voice 3: don't know. I

[0:49:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): closed it as far as I could

[0:49:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): Kate, they should be the blinds. Thermostats at 24. Oh, this is a

[0:49:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): a good point. That's pretty well. Yeah, it's not just me.

[0:50:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, so thank you. Are we ready to move

[0:50:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): on? Yes, this will move on to 9.2. And this is another Stephen. Thank you, Stephen, for hanging

[0:50:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): in there. And Nathan is, Aitchison is in the room. Nathan, right? Yeah. Okay. And so we're going to

[0:50:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): to now look at the report for starting on page 29

[0:50:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): for Gambier-Allen DDP 2021.8.

[0:50:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): Take it away, Steven.

[0:50:33] Voice 1: Sure.

[0:50:33] Voice 1: So this is a development variance permit application

[0:50:37] Voice 1: to vary the setbacks for two existing accessory buildings

[0:50:40] Voice 1: and a covered deck at 507 Shawanavie Road.

[0:50:43] Voice 1: And this was first presented to the LTC

[0:50:45] Voice 1: at the last LTC meeting on March 31st,

[0:50:49] Voice 1: where the LTC passed a resolution to postpone

[0:50:52] Voice 1: the application to the following meeting to allow staff to conduct a site visit and staff did

[0:50:57] Voice 1: attend the site with alongside trustee stanford on april 19th and received an updated site plan

[0:51:04] Voice 1: from the applicant which includes structures that were not previously shown on the site plan

[0:51:09] Voice 1: the staff report does note as well that there was a real estate listing that had some

[0:51:14] Voice 1: incorrect information on the use of the accessory buildings and since the staff report was was

[0:51:21] Voice 1: written and submitted the owner has confirmed that that they followed up and and corrected some of

[0:51:28] Voice 1: those inconsistencies on the online listing and in addition to the correspondence received to prior

[0:51:35] Voice 1: to the the previous LTC meeting two emails were received in support of this application

[0:51:41] Voice 1: for the second notice period here okay

[0:51:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you so we have a recommendation in front of us

[0:51:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): at the top page

[0:51:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): 29 to approve

[0:51:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): the issuance. And any

[0:51:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): questions for the planner? We've read his report.

[0:51:58] Voice 3: Go ahead. I have a question.

[0:52:00] Voice 3: Go

[0:52:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): ahead, Kate and Louise.

[0:52:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): Interpreting

[0:52:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): or reading through

[0:52:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): here, I'll go on to my other

[0:52:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): notes just to make sure.

[0:52:13] Voice 2: How

[0:52:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): to clarify or how to

[0:52:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): deal with the use

[0:52:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): of like

[0:52:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): section 3.1.1 h use of a building for an office or shelter construction or maintenance

[0:52:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): um how does uh someone get over that when they're the building is already there this building

[0:52:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): happens to be portable so do they move it off the property and then apply for the building

[0:52:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): kermit like what how do we move around that particular aspect on page 30 about or page 33

[0:53:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): about how that um that accessory building is is interpreted top of page 33 i think is where she is

[0:53:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah yeah so it's uh 3.181 h h it's just um it puts extra constraints on how that building is

[0:53:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): used until a permit comes in but can they apply for a permit and then start using it as a temporary

[0:53:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): dwelling go ahead steven

[0:53:36] Voice 2: sure

[0:53:38] Voice 1: i'm just pulling up um this particular section of the bylaw and

[0:53:43] Voice 1: And there is a second provision in the land use by-law

[0:53:46] Voice 1: that allows for an accessory building

[0:53:48] Voice 1: to be used for temporary shelter for the owner of a lot

[0:53:53] Voice 1: during construction of a dwelling.

[0:53:55] Voice 1: And that's provided that there is a valid building permit

[0:53:59] Voice 1: issued for the proposed dwelling.

[0:54:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): So now that there isn't one yet,

[0:54:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): how does that building get dealt with?

[0:54:12] Voice 1: The building can be there.

[0:54:14] Voice 1: it's just restricted in its use to to be used for the shelter of construction uh for construction

[0:54:21] Voice 1: or maintenance crews or for storage of materials to be used for the erection construction or

[0:54:26] Voice 1: maintenance of any building but

[0:54:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): then once a permit goes in can it then be used as a temporary um

[0:54:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): once a permit is issued at that

[0:54:37] Voice 1: point yeah at that point then as long as you're meeting the

[0:54:41] Voice 1: or the provisions of 3.1.1g yeah then then at that point it could be used for a temporary

[0:54:48] Voice 1: accommodation okay it just

[0:54:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): happened to be movable so i just wonder if you had to move it off and

[0:54:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): then move it back in so okay okay great thank you thank you sorry anyway hang on we have a chance

[0:55:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh any other questions for the planner so

[0:55:06] Voice 10: i

[0:55:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): think trustee rogers has a question

[0:55:08] Voice 10: well and it's a

[0:55:10] Voice 10: a similar one. I'm puzzled by

[0:55:12] Voice 10: this because it's about accessory

[0:55:14] Voice 10: buildings because this

[0:55:16] Voice 10: last term

[0:55:17] Voice 10: related to Keats

[0:55:20] Voice 10: which I think has a similar provision

[0:55:23] Voice 10: that

[0:55:24] Voice 10: my understanding of the scheme

[0:55:26] Voice 10: is and whether I agree with it or

[0:55:28] Voice 10: not is a whole other issue

[0:55:30] Voice 10: is that

[0:55:32] Voice 10: you can't have accessory

[0:55:34] Voice 10: buildings unless

[0:55:36] Voice 10: you've got a principal residence

[0:55:38] Voice 10: and the acceptance

[0:55:41] Voice 10: in the few exceptions that are spelled out in the land use bylaw now that's am i wrong about that

[0:55:49] Voice 10: i thought that the my understanding was you can't go in and build a shed or unless it's for one of

[0:56:01] Voice 10: the reasons that are set up in the land use bylaw i a to be a to be a temporary residence while you

[0:56:08] Voice 10: build or b for storage or utility reasons and also in relation to while you build and the reason was

[0:56:17] Voice 10: is they didn't want to have lots that were effectively as i was explained to me because

[0:56:22] Voice 10: i went around this yeah about a couple issues like kids because they didn't make any sense to me

[0:56:28] Voice 10: is um because they have to be accessory to something that's the whole idea is that is

[0:56:35] Voice 10: the way it was explained to me was you don't want to have a bunch of empty lots that have garages on

[0:56:39] Voice 10: them or things like that or just sheds that are just storage you know we either build a house

[0:56:44] Voice 10: and then go or you build something or you or you can do that now am i misunderstanding how that

[0:56:50] Voice 10: works that

[0:56:54] Voice 1: that sounds like the correct interpretation of that that's okay so if

[0:56:58] Voice 10: that's the case then i don't think we should be saying it's okay to have these sheds there

[0:57:05] Voice 10: I don't think we should be doing anything about it necessarily, but I don't think we should be making a positive affirmation about them if they're not permitted by the land use bylaw unless they fall within one of those exceptions in 3G or H and 3.1T or H.

[0:57:28] Voice 10: I struggle with this one because because people build often have adjoining properties they often

[0:57:36] Voice 10: build the shed on the one property or they do like Mr. Swain does which is he camps on his

[0:57:45] Voice 10: property I think I don't know what he does but let's assume he camps and has been for 15 years

[0:57:51] Voice 10: and builds a couple of sheds to store stuff in etc etc and I'm going well that's okay

[0:57:56] Voice 10: um what's the problem with that but that's not the way the land use bylaws

[0:58:00] Voice 10: I guess I wouldn't mind some clarification before and by the way I don't have any problem

[0:58:08] Voice 10: with the variance here because they're all fine and motion but I'm wondering about this whole

[0:58:14] Voice 10: issue about about sheds and auxiliary accessory buildings that don't have a that don't require

[0:58:23] Voice 10: because this is what happens right people buy a property they go oh if it's less than 100 square

[0:58:29] Voice 10: feet i don't need a building permit and they go and they put it up okay um and then they live in

[0:58:36] Voice 10: it for five years or eight years or whatever and they do whatever and they have this whole thing

[0:58:40] Voice 10: that's that's contrary to the scheme of the of the of the os of the land use file and and i i'm not

[0:58:48] sure I agree with the scheme

[0:58:50] Voice 10: because it encourages people to build houses. They want people to build

[0:58:55] Voice 10: houses and I'm going why wouldn't we encourage larger footprint buildings than just what's

[0:59:01] Voice 10: there and I think it's because when these were originally devised the idea was the planning norm

[0:59:06] Voice 10: is well you don't have a series of smaller buildings because then you end up with storage

[0:59:13] Voice 10: storage facilities, yada, yada, yada.

[0:59:15] Voice 10: So I don't know, am I totally talking nonsense?

[0:59:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'll look to Stephen first as the planner here.

[0:59:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Did you have any comment you wanted to make, Stephen?

[0:59:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): Or is this more of a OCP land use by-law

[0:59:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): kind of bigger change?

[0:59:29] Voice 1: It sounds like the latter there.

[0:59:32] Voice 1: I'll just comment that it is the understanding

[0:59:36] Voice 1: at least of staff that the proposed use of these buildings

[0:59:40] Voice 1: things was in line with with 3.1.1 h um was

[0:59:44] Voice 3: in line yes

[0:59:46] Voice 1: yes okay

[0:59:47] Voice 3: um so

[0:59:49] Voice 1: it and it's um it happens

[0:59:52] Voice 1: when we receive a building permit referral for example as in this case uh now it's proceeded

[0:59:57] Voice 1: to development variance permit and a development permit is

[0:59:59] Voice 1: We'll be right back.

[1:00:00] Voice 1: Well, where really we look at those plans

[1:00:02] Voice 1: and we generally ask that the use of the building be labeled

[1:00:07] Voice 1: and that's how we're able to check this or that

[1:00:11] Voice 1: or conversations with applicants.

[1:00:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): But I think this,

[1:00:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): and although we're not dealing with NROCP LUB review,

[1:00:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): there's a couple of things around this type of structural housing.

[1:00:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): Another one is these long-term family compounds

[1:00:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): that have several little buildings on one property

[1:00:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): and they're historical in nature.

[1:00:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): That's come up a few times.

[1:00:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): It is worth flagging.

[1:00:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): Maybe we can discuss it more in 10.1.

[1:00:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): I mean, I don't think we're going

[1:00:44] Voice 1: to be able to get to it,

[1:00:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): but this is the type of thing

[1:00:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): that we're having some concerns over.

[1:00:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): But anyway, Nathan, do you...

[1:00:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): Sorry, you go ahead.

[1:00:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's okay.

[1:00:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): Kate Louise was chair of the meeting.

[1:00:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): a couple of days ago so uh if if we've finished with the questions for the planner

[1:01:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): then uh you've

[1:01:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): got five minutes to tell us whether you concur with this recommendation which is to issue

[1:01:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh the development variance permit or whether you've got anything else you want to say

[1:01:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): well

[1:01:12] Voice 6: first of all i'll ask to dan rogers uh concerns um i actually the plan was always to

[1:01:20] Voice 6: have a large house being built on this particular property so i installed a large

[1:01:24] Voice 6: septic system and a well system for future growth on it and then the student shop that i'm building

[1:01:29] Voice 6: is for storage or building materials and to accommodate accommodation for uh when the

[1:01:35] Voice 6: building permit comes through now somebody who buys this property off me uh they decide to make

[1:01:41] Voice 6: this their own primary residence well then they will have to go through the hoops of doing that

[1:01:45] Voice 6: but again it's a portable building that can be moved and uh that was one of the reasons why i

[1:01:51] Voice 6: went with that route is to stay away from the permits and then if somebody wants to build a

[1:01:55] Voice 6: house it helps everybody out or sort of helps the people that are getting established there

[1:01:59] Voice 6: and not like the other applicant that was here that's you know camping out in his 10 by 10s or

[1:02:03] Voice 6: whatever he's doing over there for 16 years um the other thing too is i never i wanted to bring

[1:02:09] Voice 6: this up uh i didn't uh when i bought the particular property there wasn't any water courses on it

[1:02:16] Voice 6: there was a small seepage pool uh on the other end which didn't have an inlet or an outlet out

[1:02:20] Voice 6: that i had previously installed and i was going off a reference from another application i put

[1:02:25] Voice 6: in for a client to uh from son and then sonia zuplin had returned uh an email to do

[1:02:32] Voice 6: and she said that because there's a water course is that uh in the developer area three under

[1:02:40] Voice 6: section 9.3 that uh i'd be exempt to putting a pond in removing vegetation doing all these

[1:02:47] Voice 6: kind of things because there was no water course and then of course after i got the property i dug

[1:02:52] Voice 6: a big pond in broken through the hard pan water started coming up i had to have an outflow my

[1:02:58] Voice 6: neighbor had uh his drainage from his foundation coming into my property that i had bought so i

[1:03:04] Voice 6: put a ditch in to get it out and then i brought my sawmill in after i done all the work and one

[1:03:09] Voice 6: particular neighbor didn't like it so then they started taking pictures and all of a sudden all

[1:03:13] Voice 6: as water courses in the background and i've been told to jump through all these hoops now right

[1:03:19] Voice 6: so i did get the developer sorry the q and p report done which shows what i said that it's

[1:03:23] Voice 6: not in the uh rap area so rightarian

[1:03:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): area regulation protection regulation it's changing

[1:03:30] Voice 6: all the time yeah but that's i wasn't i wasn't in that requirement area right so i was you know

[1:03:35] Voice 6: i'm just saying that i did this is what happened i actually had some backing with it spent the money

[1:03:39] Voice 6: on it to show that i was in thought i was in the right good thought i was following the rules and

[1:03:45] Voice 6: we we granted your development permit yes yeah i didn't

[1:03:48] Voice 10: appreciate that i just said i wanted to

[1:03:50] Voice 6: be more clear about what i was

[1:03:51] Voice 6: doing because it seems odd that you would have to get you know you

[1:03:54] Voice 6: get a piece of property that's got no water courses and

[1:03:56] Voice 3: then a great

[1:03:57] Voice 6: big pond and then

[1:03:58] Voice 6: somebody takes pictures i don't like what he does and they say you've got water courses on there

[1:04:02] Voice 6: you know that that was kind of my situation on this one yes and again like i said i'm not uh

[1:04:09] Voice 6: yeah yeah okay and i do have an email from sonia to show that i was you know exactly what i uh had

[1:04:16] Voice 6: said because we did have a previous problem with the previous plan or discussion on the phone with

[1:04:21] Voice 6: planners with arrangements how we're going to go about things and then they quit and start over

[1:04:24] Voice 6: again with no emails or references yeah

[1:04:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): emails so

[1:04:29] Voice 6: and i do a lot of phone calls first and talk

[1:04:31] Voice 6: about things before emails as i'm not very tech savvy so very

[1:04:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): good well we're at the point where

[1:04:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): we've got a recommendation from staff in front of us to approve issuance and uh so if you're

[1:04:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): ready we'll go on to that part of the meeting so who would like to make the motion go ahead kate

[1:04:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): louise i move that the gambler on local trust committee approved issuance of gmdbp 20 21.8

[1:04:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): sorry and the seconder good thank you just making sure diane can hear so we've got a motion moved

[1:05:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): and seconded any more discussion i

[1:05:04] Voice 10: guess this question i know that both you and the planner

[1:05:07] Voice 10: went to the property

[1:05:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah so i just want to state that when initially looking at this you can see

[1:05:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): all these variance requests um and i think there's a few red red flags when you see the number but

[1:05:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): But when you see the actual what is being requested, it's not unreasonable.

[1:05:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): And we've seen far more dramatic requests for variants.

[1:05:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): The land is definitely manipulated when we went to see it, but everything was being put in place for a plan.

[1:05:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): There was a reason for why it was all laid out the way it was.

[1:05:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): Because the only thing I would like to see, and this is part of the actual request, but just as a general thought to the owners, whoever they may be, is it was noted that the, and I saw it too, is the pond itself is very steep and dark.

[1:06:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): And that it isn't necessarily the best environment for something like amphibians.

[1:06:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): and given that we are trying to support diversity wherever we can that some thought be made to

[1:06:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): making that pond area a little more amenable to creatures so that was that's the only thing that

[1:06:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): i really came out and said oh you know i wish that was a little bit different but that's just

[1:06:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): dries up in summer but still it's it's something to consider is to making it as um as friendly as

[1:06:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): possible but you probably i don't know if you're gonna be the owner much longer it's up for sale

[1:06:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): so that would be something that we think of in general in educating new owners as to how

[1:06:48] Voice 6: we can i'll go over

[1:06:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): the whole property yeah and anything they can do to just sort of bring it

[1:06:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): back to its wilder state given that it it did have to be cleared in order to to get to where it is

[1:06:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): today so anyway i don't have an issue with this so i just have one comment and that is that uh

[1:07:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): Sometimes amphibian ponds do dry up in the summer, so you might have something.

[1:07:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): That's just

[1:07:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): a comment.

[1:07:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, and it's kind of on the side of the work of this permit.

[1:07:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): So, yeah, any more discussion?

[1:07:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): No.

[1:07:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): Then I'm going to call the question.

[1:07:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): All those in favor?

[1:07:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): One, two, three hands go up.

[1:07:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): That passes unanimously.

[1:07:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you very much.

[1:07:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): And did you have any more comments for us?

[1:07:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thanks, Dana.

[1:07:32] Voice 10: Nice to see you again.

[1:07:34] Voice 10: No, I guess that's it.

[1:07:35] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:07:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm sure we'll see

[1:07:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you Stephen

[1:07:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): so coming out of this

[1:07:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): I have another motion

[1:07:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): we've got another motion here

[1:07:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): but it isn't really to do with Stephen

[1:07:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): so this is the motion that

[1:07:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): you've added to the agenda late

[1:07:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): sorry I didn't see it in my email

[1:07:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): can you introduce it

[1:08:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): just because I've got

[1:08:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): like yeah okay are

[1:08:05] Voice 10: we there now are we going through 9394 well

[1:08:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): i was going to suggest under

[1:08:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): 9.2 this is 9

[1:08:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): .2b how about that i was going to just suggest another motion because some of the

[1:08:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): comments that the proponent has made about you know i didn't know i needed to get any of this

[1:08:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): because it was man-made and it all said natural in the brochure so i went back and looked at the

[1:08:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): brochure and there's some issues with the way the brochure is written

[1:08:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): and it's a brochure it's

[1:08:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): titled um uh recent updates to development permit area three riparian areas on gambier island

[1:08:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): revised that's the title of it so that's one thing that needs to be changed um and then when i looked

[1:08:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): at it never specified that things should be natural in terms of what you're working from

[1:08:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): But I think there's an understandable vagueness and that people assume that we're only talking about natural watercourses.

[1:09:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I am proposing that we ask staff to spend some time to edit the wording of that reference piece that is on our website, and to include specific references to artificial features, including dug ponds and ditches, because that seems to be where we keep getting caught up, is ditches specifically, and in this case, it was.

[1:09:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you. Now I see your motion in the email here.

[1:09:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think you're absolutely right.

[1:09:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay. So I'm hearing that you're going to make the motion.

[1:09:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): So go ahead and make it.

[1:09:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to review the brochure titled

[1:09:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): Recent Updates to Development Permit Area No. 3, Riparian Areas on Gambier Island, revised,

[1:09:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): and edit the wording to include specific references to artificial features,

[1:10:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): such as ditches and dug ponds as pertinent water features.

[1:10:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you. Do I have a seconder?

[1:10:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): Second.

[1:10:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): Very good.

[1:10:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): And any more discussion?

[1:10:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm just going

[1:10:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): to do a quick discussion.

[1:10:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): I also think we need to fix the title.

[1:10:19] Voice 10: And you'll help the staff do that?

[1:10:21] Voice 10: Yes.

[1:10:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay. She's offering her volunteer assistance.

[1:10:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): Kate is a good editor.

[1:10:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah.

[1:10:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): and uh i am i think that's great after hearing no more discussion then no staff uh raising red

[1:10:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): flags i'm going to uh call the question all those in favor one two three hands went up for you to

[1:10:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): see diane so that passes unanimously thank you very much kate lees that was 9.2b and uh so now

[1:10:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): Now we'll move on to 9.3, and this is on page 50, 5-0, consideration of final adoption,

[1:10:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): fourth reading and final adoption of our meeting procedures bylaw.

[1:11:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): So, oops, I've got to get back to my agenda here, page 5-0, and this one has a nice brief

[1:11:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): little cover page thank you very much for that so that everybody can see why this just

[1:11:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh is in front of us again i

[1:11:29] Voice 10: just want to make the motion go ahead

[1:11:31] Voice 10: i moved up the gambier island

[1:11:32] Voice 10: local trust committee bylaw number 155 cited as gambier island local trust committee meeting

[1:11:37] Voice 10: procedure bylaw 2022 be adopted thank

[1:11:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): you seconder seconded very good so this is the fourth and final

[1:11:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): reading uh and it's been through the uh full process as you can see at the on page 50 and

[1:11:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): the third paragraph and uh no discussion i'm going to call the question all those in favor

[1:11:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): one two three hands go up that motion is passed and the uh bylaw is adopted and we will move on

[1:12:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): to 9.4 this is our fees bylaw starting on uh page 55 and a little summary page there this

[1:12:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): is another one that's come back to us for final adoption fourth reading and final adoption

[1:12:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh having been through um executive committee and approved there uh who'd like to make the motion

[1:12:26] Voice 10: i'll make it i'll move that the gambier island trust committee bylaw number 156 cited as gambier

[1:12:31] Voice 10: trust committee fee bylaw 2022 be adopted q

[1:12:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): seconder kb stand for the second event um

[1:12:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): And this is the, on the recommendation of the full trust council, and there's a little description there in the background, and it's come back to us for final adoption.

[1:12:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm hearing no discussion, so I'm going to call the question. All those in favor? One, two, three hands go up. That passes unanimously. The bylaw is adopted. The fee is bylaw.

[1:13:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think Eric and Christine kicked in. It feels a little better, doesn't it?

[1:13:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Do

[1:13:05] Voice 10: you want me to go and try and adopt it, Justice?

[1:13:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think it feels better now.

[1:13:08] Voice 10: It does.

[1:13:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, something's happening.

[1:13:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I find that doesn't really help.

[1:13:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): No, I know there's some bigger program behind it all.

[1:13:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, so now we're at a natural sort of stop.

[1:13:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): Do people need a break?

[1:13:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yes, I'm seeing we're just at the end of the bylaws.

[1:13:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): And before we get into the official community plan,

[1:13:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): can we take a five-minute break and make sure we've got water

[1:13:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that kind of thing?

[1:13:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we're going to come back for anybody watching online.

[1:13:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): line and uh and for diane do you want to take our lunch break now yeah i'm kind of thinking maybe

[1:13:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's what we should do because we don't have a lunch break marked on here and uh i wasn't sure

[1:13:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): how long this would all take so why don't we take uh what is 20 minutes enough or do you want to

[1:13:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): take a full half hour 20 minutes 20 minutes is good for me

[1:14:04] Voice 3: i'm fine okay

[1:14:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): good so then let's get

[1:14:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): back together at 10 after noon so at 12 10 we'll reconvene and uh we're gonna break for lunch that

[1:14:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): sound good diane yes it does thanks okay good see you at 12 10.

[1:14:25] Voice 2: okay lunch and i'm gonna just um

[1:36:42] Voice 2: we've had a lunch break

[1:36:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): we're calling the meeting back to order um and this is the meeting of the

[1:36:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): gambier local trust committee uh in may 2022. so uh after lunch here we're on uh item number 10.1

[1:36:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): of our agenda this is on page 62 is where we'll start and um we're going to be hearing from

[1:37:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): marvis mccarver yeah please take it away yeah

[1:37:10] Voice 7: i just wanted to provide a update on the gambier

[1:37:14] Voice 7: OCP LUV review project. As you know, an RFP has been put out for a consultant to help with the

[1:37:22] Voice 7: engagement portion of the project. So that closes tomorrow. Sorry, there's

[1:37:28] Voice 10: someone's got their mic

[1:37:30] Voice 10: open.

[1:37:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): Hang on here. Diane, are you there? Uh-huh, I am. Very good. Okay. And I thought I heard

[1:37:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): somebody else for a moment, but I don't see

[1:37:40] Voice 4: anybody else in the participants. You might

[1:37:42] Voice 4: have heard me my mic was unmuted oh maybe

[1:37:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's what thank you

[1:37:47] Voice 4: okay thank you

[1:37:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): just checking in

[1:37:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): sorry to uh interrupt you marla please carry

[1:37:53] Voice 7: on i was just saying that the um rfp proposals

[1:37:57] Voice 7: are accepted until tomorrow at two and then we'll spend some time with an evaluation team

[1:38:03] Voice 7: evaluating the proposals that we get and um hope to have a consultant in place by the end of june

[1:38:10] Voice 7: it takes a few weeks for the whole process to complete and um to sign contracts and that kind

[1:38:16] Voice 7: of thing so good yeah and then a few of the other things i was just going to mention so um we worked

[1:38:24] Voice 7: on a mapping project so a consultant was hired back in march to create a community map which i

[1:38:32] Voice 7: believe we discussed a little bit of last meeting um and i've included it as attachment one in the

[1:38:38] Voice 7: the agenda package so 65

[1:38:41] Voice 7: is that the one that yes that's the one so that's just an illustrative map

[1:38:47] Voice 7: and we're hoping that we're going to be able to use it as part of the engagement process as a tool

[1:38:52] Voice 7: and then there was also a physical map that was created and that was just to look at the physical

[1:38:59] Voice 7: and geological features of Gambier both these maps came out of the working group so we've had

[1:39:07] Voice 7: two meetings with the working group and they

[1:39:09] Voice 7: identified this as being a need so we've created

[1:39:14] Voice 7: both those maps the second map was done by the gis staff of the allen's trust yeah yeah yeah

[1:39:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): i see that's page 66. yes i was excited to see these maps i've got written down best maps ever

[1:39:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay good

[1:39:29] Voice 7: i have comments and then um just that we're continuing work on the discussion papers

[1:39:36] Voice 7: the shoreline protection and public docks, forest ecosystem protection, and archaeological

[1:39:41] Voice 7: and cultural protection. Hope to have those, at least one of them, for review by the next

[1:39:48] Voice 7: LTC meeting, and we're working on getting those done. Then for First Nation engagement,

[1:39:56] Voice 7: we have reached out to Squamish Nation. Back in September, I believe, was sort of the initial

[1:40:03] Voice 7: contact and there was a little bit of back and forth at that time before I was hired and I've

[1:40:12] Voice 7: reached out since and I actually just heard back two days ago that they would I need to get a

[1:40:19] Voice 7: little bit of clarification from them but that they are interested in being a part of a quarterly

[1:40:24] Voice 7: meeting about this project so that's it

[1:40:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): and who was they particularly it was aaron

[1:40:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i i've spoken a couple of times to air on under different yeah um topics so good

[1:40:39] Voice 7: yeah so i um i have followed up and we're just kind of waiting we'll work out the details on that

[1:40:45] Voice 7: um yeah and i think that's that's sort of the update on that project so hopefully you know

[1:40:50] Voice 7: really kicking off over the summer with the engagements terrific

[1:40:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay thank you questions

[1:40:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): for the planner questions um so i'm really happy to see the maps um i've been hoping for a map

[1:41:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): based on the first idea for so many reasons beyond just the ocp um so sneaky way to get it in there

[1:41:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm would it be okay for me to put it out to the public now and and just have it out there because

[1:41:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): there may be a few minor changes for its purpose I've already talked to the contractor that did

[1:41:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): create it and she said that's fine if they're just minor changes so I'll send that out to the

[1:41:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): community in general as a resource just it's great to have that um and then have there been

[1:41:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): applications for the position i don't need to hear

[1:41:51] Voice 2: that okay until the

[1:41:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): whole thing is closed

[1:41:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i'm not sure somebody did ask if i could be a reference but i didn't think that was

[1:42:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): a program i'm not sure so i said i'd get back to it i don't know i wouldn't i i i said i didn't

[1:42:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): think so yeah sure i think you could say you didn't get any support at the ltc

[1:42:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): well i just would it would be a little awkward if more than one community member

[1:42:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah applied and you know right now i don't know so i kind of said no that's good to know for sure

[1:42:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): um and i'm just hoping those discussion papers can be sooner rather than later we're just getting

[1:42:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): so tight up against the election time um and whether or not we might need special meetings

[1:42:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the summer to be able to accommodate access and things like that but i think that'll come

[1:42:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): through whoever wins the for island engagement yeah it's just so

[1:42:59] Voice 7: important to have it in that

[1:43:00] Voice 7: summer yes yes we're getting very close we are kind of looking at i think the bulk of the

[1:43:05] Voice 7: engagement will be online but yeah potentially one and one engagement session over the summer

[1:43:11] Voice 7: whether that could be september meeting i don't know september i think it's september one do you

[1:43:18] Voice 7: think people are still around before

[1:43:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): the one weekend well yeah it's late but anyway uh well

[1:43:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): Well, wait till you've found somebody

[1:43:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): and you can maybe squeeze something in somewhere.

[1:43:35] Voice 2: Well, I guess one of the questions is,

[1:43:41] Voice 2: do you

[1:43:42] Voice 10: think we should flip the Keats-Gambier meetings?

[1:43:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): Honestly, I was a little surprised to see Gambier in September,

[1:43:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): but I also know that I was expecting to see some movement

[1:43:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): on the For Sure Development Project.

[1:43:58] Voice 10: Yeah, we're going to talk about that.

[1:44:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i i think depending on how the engagement process plays out that there could be an

[1:44:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): opportunity just to have the engagement meeting on on gambier just by itself so it wouldn't be

[1:44:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): necessarily attached to the summer september 21st but it really depends on what how the plan

[1:44:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): looks september 1st except oh yeah the september 1st so you know if if that's not cast in stone

[1:44:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): and then we could just have a separate engagement day for for gambier at the community center

[1:44:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that might be a better option than having it up against the business meeting so what

[1:44:43] Voice 10: do you um

[1:44:46] Voice 10: we only have two meetings what are you thinking might you get where we might get to on this

[1:44:52] Voice 10: project for the rest of this term i'm just wondering what i'm not clear on what your

[1:44:56] Voice 10: thought process is when you say we want to have the engaging process the working group

[1:45:02] Voice 10: won't have been done as were i

[1:45:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): would like to have a meeting at least with one or two of the

[1:45:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): discussion papers to start the process okay

[1:45:13] Voice 10: so you just want to before the end of the term

[1:45:16] Voice 10: have some sort of sort of like we did actually you can't well you can't really compare them

[1:45:22] Voice 10: we had a couple of meetings where we before the working struck um you'll recall we had a meeting

[1:45:29] Voice 10: meeting Ikeetsan when we had one meeting.

[1:45:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): Glen Eagles.

[1:45:32] Voice 10: Glen Eagles.

[1:45:33] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:45:33] Voice 10: But that was before the working group was started.

[1:45:36] So the processes were different, but I just was unclear

[1:45:40] Voice 10: as to where you wanted to get

[1:45:42] Voice 10: to.

[1:45:43] Voice 10: So you would just like to, at some point before the end of the term, have a community discussion.

[1:45:50] Voice 10: I know.

[1:45:50] Voice 10: I know.

[1:45:51] Voice 10: It's ludicrous.

[1:45:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): We're eight

[1:45:53] Voice 10: years into this.

[1:45:55] Voice 10: I know.

[1:45:56] Voice 7: But also, I just want to get as far as I can.

[1:45:58] Voice 7: that's really and the intention is that community like the consultant contract would run from

[1:46:04] Voice 7: end of june to end of october yeah so and that is the bulk that will be the bulk of the actual

[1:46:10] Voice 7: engaging of the community they're not going to be drafting bylaws or anything like that but that

[1:46:15] Voice 7: will be engaged engagement over the summer so i i as long as we can hire a consultant i anticipate

[1:46:20] Voice 7: but yes that would that would happen

[1:46:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): we might want to consider um what dan was talking about

[1:46:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): which is swapping well i actually live

[1:46:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): 14 depending on the venues i would like to hear

[1:46:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah

[1:46:34] Voice 10: can we defer that conversation until

[1:46:36] Voice 10: after we talk about where we're at on the keys

[1:46:38] Voice 10: yeah for sure yeah i do have a couple of questions about all of this um

[1:46:45] Voice 10: and this is more technical question but i'm kind of curious as i look at this the the um

[1:46:51] Voice 10: the second map is what is what are almost growth management areas specifically designated by the

[1:46:58] Voice 10: province are those areas that end up as designated because i see them all over anvil as well

[1:47:08] Voice 10: um just by by chance and i'm guessing what occurred here was that our mapping sort of

[1:47:13] Voice 10: overlaid some other mapping from somewhere so are those are those areas that are i've asked

[1:47:19] Voice 10: my question i don't need to repeat it does somebody know the answer i

[1:47:22] Voice 7: don't know but i

[1:47:23] Voice 7: can follow up

[1:47:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): because i

[1:47:25] Voice 10: wouldn't assume that oh i

[1:47:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): know the answer okay because

[1:47:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): i've asked this

[1:47:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): of uh um island stress conservancy staff regarding uh bowen so these the things that are called old

[1:47:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): growth management areas are designated by the province by the forestry ministry uh they're

[1:47:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): for places where old growth will be eventually and uh so they can move um as forestry plans change

[1:47:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): over the years and uh so the they may not even be old growth now they're sort of designated for

[1:48:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): where old growth will be in the future uh but some of them are old growth now and they'll

[1:48:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): stay that way but how it all relates to the changes in the forestry act and the forestry

[1:48:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): planning that's happening now regarding old growth i'm not sure but just to let you know

[1:48:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): these are just uh areas designated by the province and they can and

[1:48:23] Voice 10: they're all provincial they're

[1:48:24] Voice 10: all um i don't like these word crown lands but land held by the crown um i think as far as i

[1:48:33] Voice 10: can tell there's no private property so um okay so that's interesting my my other question is

[1:48:43] Voice 10: I just want to make sure, because it was flagged by somebody else for me, and said, well, you

[1:48:53] should ask this question about the Gambier.

[1:48:56] So the RFP is in relation to consultation with the non-Indigenous community.

[1:49:06] So the plan for consultation with the Squamish primarily, but the Indigenous communities

[1:49:15] Voice 10: is that we'll do

[1:49:17] Voice 7: it directly is that the idea i think the initial idea was that we were just

[1:49:22] Voice 7: trying to engage them for early and meaningful and we were asking them what do they want

[1:49:26] Voice 7: how would

[1:49:27] Voice 10: they how would they

[1:49:28] Voice 7: prefer it um how would they prefer to be engaged how would they

[1:49:33] Voice 7: would they like what would they like their role in the project to be and they were given some

[1:49:37] Voice 7: different options or you know would you just want a referral at the end when the bylaw is drafted

[1:49:41] Voice 7: or do you want to be engaged from the beginning and they've gotten back to us with they would

[1:49:46] Voice 7: like to be a part of a quarterly working group that they work with yeah absolutely

[1:49:55] Voice 10: sorry come on we're sorry we're just in the middle of conversation

[1:49:58] Voice 10: but it's all broadcast and open and available yeah

[1:50:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): so we're being recorded and uh we've had

[1:50:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): another member of the public join us in the room okay

[1:50:08] Voice 7: so i guess it hasn't all been ironed out

[1:50:10] Voice 7: out exactly how that's going to happen so

[1:50:14] Voice 10: um okay so that i mean this is obviously an iterative and

[1:50:20] Voice 10: work in progress and we're seeing it on other areas as well um but the so i'm glad to hear

[1:50:29] Voice 10: that you've gotten some reaction or some feedback from them because what is obviously problematic

[1:50:36] Voice 10: is when we get way down the road and either it's been missed as has occurred in a couple occasions

[1:50:43] Voice 10: occasions, not us, but other places where it's been missed,

[1:50:48] Voice 10: like it hasn't been done,

[1:50:50] Voice 10: or you get the feedback when you're already well on your way to getting

[1:50:56] Voice 10: near the end of what you have imagined to be the timeline, the process.

[1:51:02] Voice 10: So that's good.

[1:51:04] Voice 10: I guess the question is, is how,

[1:51:07] Voice 10: I guess you're asking them what they would like.

[1:51:10] Voice 10: And I guess at that point,

[1:51:11] Voice 10: you'll then figure out how we're going to do it yeah i'm not going to be here is it

[1:51:16] Voice 10: going to be

[1:51:16] Voice 10: what's her name the person who's assigned to this to be jillian or is it going to be

[1:51:26] Voice 10: trustee stamford or who's going to be

[1:51:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah jillian's not part of this anymore she is still

[1:51:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): internal consultant sort of yeah okay so because there's a lot of vagueness

[1:51:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): in this whole

[1:51:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): process i don't even know where we're going to re-engage the the working group

[1:51:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): and i know the working group was confused as to where they fit into this so it'll all become

[1:51:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): clearer when we have a consultant yeah so i think

[1:51:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): you know i

[1:51:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): was always in pressure with jillian

[1:51:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): she's like no i'm done i'm done on yeah on

[1:52:02] Voice 7: march i think march 31st

[1:52:04] Voice 2: yeah she is

[1:52:04] Voice 7: still i haven't got

[1:52:06] Voice 7: a lot of clarity from her but she is still involved she's going to be on the evaluation

[1:52:11] Voice 7: team for the rfps okay because

[1:52:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): i would like to be able to provide these maps to the working

[1:52:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): group i don't mind doing that they have been sent okay yeah yeah good um and any comments

[1:52:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): back good um i think in question to this map about the augments the old growth management areas

[1:52:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): you will probably get feedback from especially the conservancy saying the agmas are maybe not

[1:52:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): where we're interested it's the actual old growth on the island and there's different ways of pulling

[1:52:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): that information um the agmas are quite political in nature in that they change according to where

[1:53:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): where forests considering commercial activity.

[1:53:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): So for instance, there were aquas

[1:53:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): in certain parts of the island

[1:53:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): and all of a sudden they disappeared and went down.

[1:53:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then lo and behold, there's a nice big blank space

[1:53:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): for forestry to become.

[1:53:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that was really good to clarify

[1:53:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): that those little circles are not old growth assets themselves.

[1:53:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's just, let's keep that there for now

[1:53:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): and let them become old growth.

[1:53:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that makes it very difficult for people trying to protect old growth to then say well actually

[1:53:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): old growth is over there and I think they're going to want to see that marked out as well

[1:53:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I know that there's a lot of push and pull into the definition of what would be considered

[1:53:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): growth versus mature growth so I see some changes on that on that

[1:53:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): mount this is the issue I was

[1:53:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): going to bring up is rather than the old growth management area being there I think it might be

[1:53:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): good to see old forest because it only goes up to mature on this uh sensitive ecosystem so just

[1:54:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): make sure that i guess i'm not sure we have that or not but there there are some reports that i

[1:54:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): know the conservancy has been the gambier conservancy has been uh publishing i'm not

[1:54:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): sure they were ever recognized by the islands trust they come from about 2000 i will follow up

[1:54:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): because that would be nice information to it was done properly but for some reason it's never

[1:54:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): considered to include with camp here

[1:54:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): i think their idea is mature and old growth

[1:54:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): force has a value and by just focusing on that definition it diminishes the quality of the intact

[1:54:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): forest home so that's sort of the angle that they would like to be able to discuss

[1:54:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): us in the discussion papers.

[1:54:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): Great to get.

[1:55:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah. Okay. I didn't send it to you,

[1:55:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): but I've been sending stuff sort of willy-nilly.

[1:55:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'll, I'll do a special note and send it around again.

[1:55:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we all have that same piece.

[1:55:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): I have the nature checkup,

[1:55:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): the conservation status sheet here that was done,

[1:55:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think 2017, as of 2017,

[1:55:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): it says 0.1 percent.

[1:55:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's very forest yeah that's

[1:55:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh they have a different mapping that shows that there

[1:55:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): actually is quite a bit more okay sorry gambier island concerns yeah

[1:55:36] Voice 10: because there was that

[1:55:37] Voice 10: mapping that was done in

[1:55:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): 2019

[1:55:41] Voice 10: no no the most recent one but that what's the name of that

[1:55:45] Voice 10: company it was out of the interior piece

[1:55:48] Voice 3: yeah

[1:55:48] Voice 10: uh yeah yeah that that mapped the forestry

[1:55:54] Voice 10: on all the islands.

[1:55:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): They mapped contiguous stretches of coastal Douglas fir.

[1:56:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): And they

[1:56:01] Voice 10: also because they identify because we're not in CDF

[1:56:04] Voice 10: so we're not. Yeah.

[1:56:06] Voice 10: Hemlock. Yeah.

[1:56:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): No, you're right. You're right.

[1:56:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): Because it did go to them.

[1:56:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): And

[1:56:09] Voice 10: there was mapping for our area as there was for every area

[1:56:14] Voice 10: around the forest.

[1:56:16] Voice 10: And I think you're right.

[1:56:16] Voice 10: I think the name of the company was called Cabin and the project

[1:56:19] Voice 10: and it was the beginning of this term was 2018 or 2019.

[1:56:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): It is.

[1:56:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): That's from the cabin report. Can you send it through to me? Yeah, I'm

[1:56:29] Voice 2: not sure if it's going to,

[1:56:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): there's a bit of push and pull on old growth on Gambier, like how much there actually is.

[1:56:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then there's another flow of push and pull on how important it is for that definition of old growth and that whether it's old growth ecosystems is more important, or it's mature forest.

[1:56:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that's where we we see the value so it's that's where i expect a bit of pushback from

[1:56:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): people that are involved in forestry preservation forest preservation so anyway we'll see where that

[1:57:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): goes but i think the agmas are going to be right

[1:57:12] Voice 10: because there are political yeah uh

[1:57:14] Voice 10: line drawing

[1:57:16] Voice 10: exercise yeah

[1:57:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): so that's just my observation i don't it doesn't need to be fully fleshed out

[1:57:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): out at all i just think i'd like to see a bit more if we're going to talk about forestry

[1:57:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): a bit more information but yeah i'd love to see that again i

[1:57:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): don't have i don't think i've got

[1:57:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): the whole report with me but i copied you carl i do remember that i just remember where it went

[1:57:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay great thank you i have a question um marvis i think you mentioned quarterly meetings with

[1:57:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): swamish nation is that something different or is that how they choose to engage that was what they

[1:57:53] Voice 7: so they just sent me back to sort of a couple of lines just two days ago and that was mentioned

[1:57:58] Voice 7: that they would have the capacity for quarter that they could send two of their swamish nation

[1:58:03] Voice 7: managers to quarterly meetings and

[1:58:07] Voice 1: i don't know

[1:58:07] Voice 7: whether they want to join our working group that's

[1:58:09] Voice 7: already been created or whether they want their own okay

[1:58:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay great thanks i've got the original

[1:58:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): the report here so i'll send that to you and um it just might not be right and uh then is there

[1:58:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): anything else that we want to discuss here in 10.2 no

[1:58:31] Voice 10: well 10.2 we haven't got oh

[1:58:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): sorry 10.1

[1:58:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): sorry can i put a check mark beside 10.1

[1:58:38] Voice 10: i just i guess i would probably just say that's a good

[1:58:41] Voice 10: question your very last question marla says but i'd be and it would be quite a different approach

[1:58:46] Voice 10: if they joined our working group.

[1:58:49] Voice 10: In

[1:58:50] Voice 7: terms of reference for the working group,

[1:58:52] Voice 7: I wasn't involved in creating them,

[1:58:53] Voice 7: but it did set out spaces for them.

[1:58:55] Voice 10: And we did the same thing with the working group on Keats.

[1:58:59] Voice 10: And generally speaking, because they operate on

[1:59:03] Voice 10: what they consider to be a government-to-government basis,

[1:59:06] Voice 10: they generally, and I won't say that it will never change,

[1:59:10] Voice 10: want to work with us directly as opposed to work.

[1:59:14] Voice 10: and this is the experience pretty much everywhere although they there was some indication

[1:59:22] Voice 10: on salt spring that the some of the nations some of the nations won't be part of the dante's village

[1:59:28] Voice 10: but it wasn't clear how um but they um they generally want to talk to it to the

[1:59:35] Voice 10: trust committees one-on-one as opposed to no i will i don't want to i don't want to predict

[1:59:43] Voice 10: predict what it what it is they want to do um because they'll they have their own interests

[1:59:48] Voice 10: and their own point of view but that's generally but so great if they would join it I would work

[1:59:53] Voice 10: together but I doubt that's

[1:59:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): I I would consider if this is one of the individual

[2:00:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): officials that is responding that that is much more of a technical staff to staff relationship

[2:00:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): but yeah we'll see the option is there which is good okay then i'm going to put a check mark

[2:00:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): beside 2.10.1 okay and seeing nobody raising their hand i'm going to move on now to 10.2

[2:00:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): so this is keats island shoreline protection project uh verbal update did you want me to

[2:00:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): who wants to start who

[2:00:31] Voice 10: wants to describe the process we went through if i create a letter to

[2:00:35] Voice 10: the um i i can start

[2:00:38] Voice 10: or marla you can start thank you for picking yeah

[2:00:42] Voice 7: um yeah i just i guess going

[2:00:45] Voice 7: off the resolution that was passed at the last meeting to follow up um with squamish nation

[2:00:50] Voice 7: based on their referral response, the response to our referral.

[2:00:54] Voice 7: I did try calling and sending a couple of messages through the portal.

[2:01:00] Voice 7: They have their Squamish Connect portal and didn't get a response.

[2:01:03] Voice 7: So then we've taken this next step of creating, drafting this letter

[2:01:08] Voice 7: that will come from the chair of the LTC.

[2:01:11] Voice 7: And it just outlines a bit of the rationale, which is what they ask for.

[2:01:18] Voice 7: It outlines a bit of the rationale of the letter, and we, you know, invite them to discuss

[2:01:25] Voice 7: this at the meeting and discuss it further.

[2:01:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): Great.

[2:01:29] Voice 7: And I

[2:01:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): think I signed this letter yesterday, right?

[2:01:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yes.

[2:01:34] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:01:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I've seen it.

[2:01:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): But yeah.

[2:01:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay.

[2:01:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you.

[2:01:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): And did you want to give Dan a chance to fill in any gaps?

[2:01:42] Voice 10: Well, no.

[2:01:43] Voice 10: Go ahead.

[2:01:44] Voice 10: What's your question?

[2:01:46] Voice 10: Do you want to go first?

[2:01:47] Voice 10: No.

[2:01:47] Voice 10: go first

[2:01:48] Voice 10: so

[2:01:49] Voice 10: yeah this is

[2:01:54] Voice 10: I mean this is

[2:01:55] Voice 10: somewhat

[2:01:57] Voice 10: challenging

[2:02:01] trying to find a way to

[2:02:02] Voice 10: be respectful

[2:02:04] Voice 10: and accommodating

[2:02:05] Voice 10: the interests of the

[2:02:06] Voice 10: Squamish nation

[2:02:07] Voice 10: in relation to

[2:02:08] Voice 10: this and everything

[2:02:09] Voice 10: that we do

[2:02:10] and there's no doubt

[2:02:12] that in terms of the

[2:02:13] the foreshore

[2:02:15] that's going to be

[2:02:16] and

[2:02:17] I don't want to

[2:02:19] just restrict it

[2:02:20] but in particular

[2:02:21] the foreshore

[2:02:21] this is going to be

[2:02:23] incredibly um important relationship to to get some concurrence uh conversation because their

[2:02:32] their interests are very tightly tied to the marine and the foreshore areas uh

[2:02:39] i think that you know history is fairly fairly clear that you know for thousands of years they

[2:02:48] They would come to these particular islands in the summers and fish and harvest and live and mostly along the shorelines.

[2:02:58] And there are numbers of

[2:03:01] Voice 10: archaeological sites on Keats that have been identified so far and probably many, many more.

[2:03:08] Voice 10: Anyway, it's been challenging to figure it out because we need to have that.

[2:03:12] Voice 10: And I'm trying to get my head around because I had my own ideas of how we would move this through in a timeline.

[2:03:19] Voice 10: And I think I just need to set all of those aside and say it will take the time that it

[2:03:26] takes to

[2:03:27] Voice 10: do an appropriate consultation and hopefully get to a point where there's an

[2:03:32] Voice 10: understanding of why we got to the particular position related to the bylaws that we got

[2:03:41] got to,

[2:03:42] Voice 10: particularly around setbacks and mooring voids, for example, and issues of that nature.

[2:03:49] Voice 10: There's a couple other issues, grass beds, et cetera, all of which are important and

[2:03:54] Voice 10: valid, but I think that's going to require a conversation where there's some understanding

[2:04:00] Voice 10: reach development, how we ensure that the community concerns and the interests are understood

[2:04:15] and it's not felt like there's a complete disregard of

[2:04:21] Voice 10: either the interests of the

[2:04:22] Voice 10: sparring station or the community.

[2:04:24] Voice 10: So that's going to be a tricky road to hoe because I'm not sure we've convinced the

[2:04:30] the whole community, and that our interests are the same as the community interests.

[2:04:33] I get told

[2:04:34] Voice 10: a fair amount that it feels like we're doing this stuff to the community,

[2:04:38] Voice 10: which is not, of course, the intent at all, but

[2:04:42] we have a mandate to preserve and protect, and we also have an adopted

[2:04:46] Voice 10: reconciliation statement. So I'd be quite interested

[2:04:50] Voice 10: to see what the response is, but I'm setting aside my ideas of what a

[2:04:54] Voice 10: timeline would look like. I had hoped to get to a community

[2:04:58] Voice 10: information meeting and a public hearing this term and to make whatever amendments we needed

[2:05:06] to make to the bylaws to reflect

[2:05:08] Voice 10: the considerations here that we think were appropriate and get to a

[2:05:12] Voice 10: point where we have sort of gotten a long way down the project. I'm no longer convinced that

[2:05:18] Voice 10: we're going to get to that point unless we can figure out a way to have a constructive

[2:05:25] Voice 10: consultation dialogue with the Squamish Nation before July.

[2:05:30] Voice 10: And I know that, thank you for putting that in the letter

[2:05:32] Voice 10: that it says we're trying to get to a community discussion

[2:05:35] Voice 10: on July, and maybe that's not gonna happen

[2:05:39] Voice 10: because our timelines aren't necessarily

[2:05:42] Voice 10: the timelines of the nation.

[2:05:44] Voice 10: I did wanna flag that there are a couple of specific

[2:05:51] Voice 10: pieces of feedback that we've gotten

[2:05:53] in the last couple of months um one uh is a fairly detailed well fairly detailed it raises three or

[2:06:00] four points uh from a resident from keith's landing who i've been engaging with and there's

[2:06:06] Voice 10: quite a bit of correspondence from mr miley on the product and he has raised a few points

[2:06:13] Voice 10: some of which i have heard from other individuals and i think we need to

[2:06:18] take those into account and i'm talking to trustees as well as to the staff

[2:06:24] One is about the distance between docks,

[2:06:27] another is about the size of the restrictions on the docks.

[2:06:33] And so those are things we

[2:06:35] Voice 10: need to take into account.

[2:06:36] Voice 10: And while I'm talking about that,

[2:06:38] Voice 10: I should tell you that I also had

[2:06:44] Voice 10: some feedback from a meeting with Representative Barnabas,

[2:06:48] Voice 10: which is one of the two camps on the island,

[2:06:50] Voice 10: who was also very concerned about the size restrictions on their domes.

[2:06:58] And it's quite true once you look at it.

[2:07:01] And I, frankly, because I hadn't heard a sheet from either of the camps,

[2:07:04] Voice 10: I hadn't really noticed how much of a reduction there was.

[2:07:09] Voice 10: But it is close to like 65% reduction.

[2:07:13] Voice 10: So I think we need to re-look at that

[2:07:17] Voice 10: and see whether the size reductions make some sense,

[2:07:22] Voice 10: particularly in relation to the community facilities,

[2:07:24] Voice 10: but also in terms of the private docs.

[2:07:26] Voice 10: But I think that we should be sure about those

[2:07:30] Voice 10: because that's an issue point.

[2:07:33] Voice 10: The only other, so I'd ask all the trustees,

[2:07:36] Voice 10: if they haven't already done so,

[2:07:37] Voice 10: read the correspondence from Mr. Miley,

[2:07:39] Voice 10: and I'll summarize what I heard from Barnas.

[2:07:42] Voice 10: I had expected to get,

[2:07:43] Voice 10: I had invited them to send us something in writing,

[2:07:46] Voice 10: and I haven't received it.

[2:07:47] Voice 10: so i'll just summarize my conversation with them but it basically was we think that restrictions

[2:07:51] Voice 10: on the dock sizes is too great um the last thing i wanted to raise was the suggestion from mr miley

[2:07:59] Voice 10: that that we reconstitute the working group to work through the um uh the um uh the specific

[2:08:09] Voice 10: proposals that are in the land use bylaw um i'm quite skeptical about that as an appropriate

[2:08:17] Voice 10: way to go forward, and I just wanted to say that publicly, but I wanted to hear if either

[2:08:21] Voice 10: a trustee wanted to say that was an appropriate way or staff thought it was an appropriate

[2:08:25] Voice 10: way.

[2:08:25] Voice 10: It seems to me that what we did is we went to public meetings where we explained why

[2:08:34] we were doing what we were doing, and then we had the working group tell us what we should

[2:08:40] do, which is effectively they came up with, created EPA, and now we're working our way

[2:08:46] through with the community at large with how and

[2:08:49] Voice 10: uh how we're proposing to do uh the achieve the

[2:08:53] Voice 10: six objectives that are set out in the development permit area which include by the way and i want to

[2:09:00] Voice 10: make this emphasize one of the objectives isn't there and i keep telling people this and i'm not

[2:09:05] Voice 10: sure they read them um is one of them is to allow people to continue to enjoy access to their

[2:09:10] Voice 10: property and and recreational values of the property in any sensitive way and so that's

[2:09:18] Voice 10: filled right and baked right into this whole process but i i unless one of the other trustees

[2:09:23] Voice 10: thinks that it would be a good process i i don't really see the working group coming back to to to

[2:09:30] Voice 10: actually work weights way through the bylaws um or as the phrase was put to me negotiate them

[2:09:39] But rather, this is

[2:09:40] Voice 10: now a community conversation. We're out to the community to get the feedback on what the bylaws do. And it seems to me that the how and the legislative and the regulatory is actually our job as staff after listening. So that's sort of a broad reflection.

[2:09:58] Voice 10: So, having said all of that, I guess one of my questions for everybody is, does it make

[2:10:07] Voice 10: any sense to still have this objective of having a meeting, and I haven't put it out

[2:10:12] Voice 10: publicly I don't think, although I may have, I can't remember, that July the 14th, is it

[2:10:19] Voice 10: 14th?

[2:10:19] I think it's July 14th.

[2:10:21] I think so.

[2:10:22] Would be a meeting on Keats, but there is some indication in some of the public

[2:10:26] corresponds but

[2:10:27] Voice 10: we can reverse that if we think it should be later um but i just i don't know i

[2:10:32] Voice 10: i guess the question is do we think we'll be at that stage by then anyway that was a long way of

[2:10:39] Voice 10: telling you those are the things that are going through my head well

[2:10:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'll put my hand up just

[2:10:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): briefly it's uh i think there was another stage too and that was should we do this that was at

[2:10:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): the glen eagles um local trust committee meeting that i met before i was that i came to before i

[2:10:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): was even ever elected is this a good idea to do yeah i

[2:11:01] Voice 10: think that i'm calling that the why we're

[2:11:03] Voice 10: doing this

[2:11:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): project yeah i sort of came away with something but then that was my very first ltc

[2:11:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): meeting um and uh personally especially hearing what we've heard about the squamish nation um

[2:11:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): expressing an interest in becoming involved i think that is uh great news and uh i think it

[2:11:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): It would be that you are in the community and the LTC

[2:11:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): and working with other nations kind of field now.

[2:11:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I agree with you about the working group,

[2:11:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I'm a bit alarmed by that word negotiation.

[2:11:45] Voice 10: Yeah, I'm just saying that's one person that sort of indicated.

[2:11:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): I

[2:11:48] Voice 10: don't take it as alarm.

[2:11:50] Voice 10: I just took it.

[2:11:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): I just mean, I think we're at a different phase.

[2:11:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): from the working group phase currently and that's just my take on it but I don't know

[2:12:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Kate Louise what do you think or do you have anything you want to add well I have a couple

[2:12:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): of things I didn't see the letter going to Scottish Nation which is totally fine

[2:12:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): my concern with depending how we responded to the Scottish Nation about their comments is

[2:12:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): if we are not going to make adjustments based on their comments then why are they making comments

[2:12:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): and i think we have to be really careful that we're not seen as dismissing their comments

[2:12:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i really was hoping to see that we could accommodate some of it somehow i do know how

[2:12:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): difficult it is um on and then on the other hand in terms of engagement i i think we do need to

[2:12:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): keep moving ahead i don't necessarily see where the group uh working group would come back in

[2:13:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): because then they're looking at regulations and they can make those comments as as community

[2:13:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's that jump from here's our ideas to here's the regulatory possibilities and that's where

[2:13:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): everybody's hopes and dreams go down to oh that's what you were talking about and um and i know

[2:13:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's really that's a big challenge and i'm not sure where the group would fit into that

[2:13:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): um but i do want to keep moving in the direction of the community so that they

[2:13:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): um come to an understanding of the importance of why this was done because i think it's been

[2:13:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): so long now that they're forgetting that there was support and that um there is a need for

[2:13:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): adjustments along the foreshore and because they saw the how the regulations play out they go wait

[2:14:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): a minute that's nobody asked for this anyway and sort of like you almost have to start the process

[2:14:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): us again let's say actually this is why yeah yeah

[2:14:12] Voice 10: you'll recall the original survey that was yeah

[2:14:16] Voice 10: which

[2:14:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): had a fairly

[2:14:17] Voice 10: big update yeah it

[2:14:19] Voice 10: was sort of split 50 50.

[2:14:22] Voice 3: yeah i remember that it was

[2:14:25] Voice 10: and i i'm and it's not that it's not appropriate but the reality is almost all of the feedback we

[2:14:34] Voice 10: that since has been from waterfront property owners as opposed to the whole island uh being

[2:14:40] engaged in in the in the uh and and totally understandable because it's potentially their

[2:14:46] interest group they're being effective um but um

[2:14:50] Voice 10: but in any case part of what i would say

[2:14:54] Voice 10: the letter we worked

[2:14:56] Voice 7: a long time on the letter and it hasn't gone out yet because it was just

[2:15:00] Voice 7: signed yesterday so it hasn't that's why i haven't seen

[2:15:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): it yet i don't need to see i well you should

[2:15:05] Voice 7: see it you will you will see

[2:15:07] Voice 10: it yeah

[2:15:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): we

[2:15:09] Voice 10: worked a long time for many of the things considerations

[2:15:12] Voice 10: that you raised um trying to explain why we got to where we got to without in any way being

[2:15:20] Voice 10: dismissed about the considerations i will say however there's at least a couple of things that

[2:15:26] Voice 10: are more than a couple but a few things that in their requests etc for example the issue would

[2:15:37] require us

[2:15:38] Voice 10: to sort of unwind the process somewhat and go back to the community again and and sort of

[2:15:43] Voice 10: not start over but start by saying well we're thinking of doing this or here's why we're

[2:15:49] Voice 10: thinking of like one of them was there should be any setback from all the hill grass beds um

[2:15:57] it sounds great and i've been trying to figure out if the province has that consideration and

[2:16:04] what i as best as i can understand they're much vaguer than that what they say is if you're in

[2:16:09] an equal sensitive area you may be required to have a marine assessment but they don't

[2:16:15] set an

[2:16:16] Voice 10: actual boundary back from eelgrass bays yeah and

[2:16:20] Voice 10: i'm not sure the mapping is good enough

[2:16:22] Voice 10: to do that um so it causes me some angst to figure out

[2:16:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): and i think this is it brings up your

[2:16:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): comment about uh the network the marine cabling that's coming in for connect the coast i did meet

[2:16:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): with one of the divers that was doing a marine assessment around eelgrass at one of the potential

[2:16:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): potential sites and she goes there's just no eelgrass here I said well there was last year

[2:16:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): so as we're mapping knowing not just with eelgrass but with kelp as well it it moves

[2:16:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): all over the place so how do we make that determination in a in a regulatory way that

[2:17:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): makes it really

[2:17:05] Voice 10: hard and

[2:17:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): so but

[2:17:07] Voice 10: I don't but again I don't want to be seen and say no uh we don't we

[2:17:11] Voice 10: don't we're not interested in that yeah if

[2:17:14] Voice 10: uh and i forget that i know there's one around mooring

[2:17:17] Voice 10: boys and we have a long discussion about and we've already talked about this is that the reality is

[2:17:26] Voice 10: there's more mooring boys or sheets than pretty much almost anywhere else uh and but there's a

[2:17:34] reason for that and um and uh you know the the mere thought of regulate trying to regulate

[2:17:43] mooring boys

[2:17:43] Voice 10: just makes my head hurt because it's it's not going to happen right um uh so

[2:17:51] Voice 10: but i understand the consideration that's given to to it and it's absolutely correct that we should

[2:17:58] Voice 10: be having midline floatations that's absolutely the way we should be going um but that's people

[2:18:06] Voice 10: are community is not aware of that and education there has not been an education component around

[2:18:12] Voice 10: this to the to any extent so anyway i really want to hope that we can arrange a meeting where we

[2:18:19] Voice 10: can sit down and we can sort of try and explain or at least discuss you know what we think is

[2:18:26] Voice 10: is possible, et cetera, et cetera.

[2:18:31] Voice 10: And then figure out where to go.

[2:18:33] Voice 10: All of which brings me back around to,

[2:18:35] Voice 10: I don't know if we're gonna be able to get to do that

[2:18:37] Voice 10: by July 13th, so.

[2:18:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): I wanna give

[2:18:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): staff a chance to say anything

[2:18:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): if you wanna bring your expertise to the questions

[2:18:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): and thoughts that we're having.

[2:18:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): Is there anything you want to chime in?

[2:18:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): Just giving you the opportunity

[2:18:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): to break into the conversation.

[2:18:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): I don't think there's anything that I feel we need to add.

[2:18:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay.

[2:18:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): All right.

[2:19:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you.

[2:19:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): Just checking in.

[2:19:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): Go ahead, Katie.

[2:19:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): So given that, if we were to do July 14th on Gambier and a consequent event engagement

[2:19:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): process for the um the ocp number one would our new contractor be ready by july 14th and um

[2:19:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): you know i'm if you don't and also with our discussion papers anything available in the

[2:19:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): discussion because i think that would be the critical thing for us is to have something to

[2:19:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): discuss

[2:19:42] Voice 7: and right now we don't i think it's an ambitious yeah goal

[2:19:47] Voice 7: considering the consultants

[2:19:50] Voice 7: we're not signing the contract till the end of june so yeah

[2:19:53] Voice 7: i don't think it's the two weeks

[2:19:54] Voice 7: right oh

[2:19:55] Voice 3: yeah yeah so

[2:19:56] Voice 10: i think we should keep it at july 14th um on keats and we'll be where we will

[2:20:03] we'll be and if if the if

[2:20:06] Voice 10: the universe unfolds in a way that makes some sense and we have some

[2:20:09] Voice 10: So we could have a CIM.

[2:20:15] Voice 10: Community

[2:20:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): Information Meeting.

[2:20:16] Voice 10: Sorry, another Community Information Meeting.

[2:20:19] Voice 10: We can talk about whether we're ready to have a public hearing

[2:20:23] Voice 10: or not before the end of the term.

[2:20:27] And maybe we can get to some readings of the dialogue

[2:20:31] and sort of come to some sort of understanding.

[2:20:35] Voice 10: And if it doesn't, it doesn't.

[2:20:37] Voice 10: I mean, I've become a little bit more sanguine about that.

[2:20:40] Voice 10: we all get to the stage of term we go i'd like to get something i've been working on uh done before

[2:20:46] Voice 10: the turns up because who knows what the next term is and

[2:20:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): i really um i mean we can have a meeting

[2:20:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): on january july but it wouldn't be connected to the official community plan process that would

[2:21:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): and you know i think that's perfect yeah and this have that i i really think having the ocp

[2:21:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): workshop or whatever they decide to have at a different date doesn't have to be connected to

[2:21:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): either september or july but that there's it's based on the work that needs to be done

[2:21:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): to make it worthwhile good all right well thank you i uh i think what we've decided to do is leave

[2:21:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): the dates for the meetings where they are for now and uh um and check in uh see what the results uh

[2:21:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): if any of the letter is, but, you know, I just, I actually think that the response from Squamish Nation and the sending of the letter is part of the process that we probably didn't necessarily budget time for, but it's great that it's happening, that kind of engagement is happening.

[2:21:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): think so we'll see what happens next step by step okay then uh then let's move on um correspondence

[2:22:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): we don't have anything particular on our agenda here unless something was added

[2:22:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): no okay then uh climate change 12.1 looking

[2:22:14] Voice 2: at page 67 agenda here oh there it is um sorry i

[2:22:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): have the wrong one this is just a standing item that is uh yeah let me talk about and uh so i just

[2:22:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): had something to add yeah briefly um i attended the sailor c uh conference finally yeah years and

[2:22:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): years and years um and it's very good online

[2:22:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah it was online very sciencey so the point was just

[2:22:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): sort of bouncing from event to event to find something i actually understood um but i one

[2:22:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): of the things that did strike home was i did attend a lecture on the heat dome and the impacts

[2:23:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): on the foreshore biodiversity and the critters that live along there.

[2:23:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): And they really emphasize they did a lot of experimentation.

[2:23:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): So often with this kind of event, it provides opportunity for research.

[2:23:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): And one of the things they really focused on was the difference

[2:23:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): in mortality between creatures that were under foreshore debris

[2:23:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): debris and forest and cover along the foreshore versus areas that had no cover and they were

[2:23:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): literally boiled alive if they weren't under cover if they didn't have some shade yeah because of the

[2:23:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): way the low tide had worked by the time the tide came up to the to the high tide mark the water

[2:23:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): was almost at boiling point because of the hot rocks and it just cooked everything and that was

[2:23:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): particularly why it was so bad and they said anywhere there was force cover it didn't happen

[2:24:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): so I just wanted to really clarify how important it is to try and maintain that force cover along

[2:24:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): the foreshore as much as possible because it makes a big difference for these for this for

[2:24:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): these printers so that was one of my big takeaways from the Salish Sea.

[2:24:22] Voice 10: Yeah and interestingly yeah

[2:24:24] Voice 10: Yeah, one of the, you're right, it's a very science-y conference in a lot of ways, but

[2:24:30] Voice 10: one of the things I was really struck for from talking about this is, and it's not necessarily

[2:24:35] Voice 10: under this topic, probably should have brought it up earlier, but is, it was fascinating to me

[2:24:44] Voice 10: how much well-resourced work is being done in First Nations communities, the Tsleil-Waututh

[2:24:49] Voice 10: and the, I mean, I was watching, for example, particularly the Tsleil-Waututh and the work

[2:24:53] Voice 10: they were doing out in you know and all of that and i and i was sort of counting up the number

[2:25:00] Voice 10: of people that were working on this and were on the water on a daily basis and going man if we

[2:25:07] Voice 10: had like one tenth of those resources um and we hire one freshwater specialist and people say

[2:25:14] Voice 10: well you know that the money's we shouldn't be spending the money that's

[2:25:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): for the whole

[2:25:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): a lot of stress area yeah

[2:25:20] Voice 10: and uh and so but you watch the kind of work that's going on you realize

[2:25:25] Voice 10: if you want to have an impact you got to be on the water you got to have you got to have

[2:25:30] Voice 10: boots on the ground you got to have people that are willing to do it and i know the squamish

[2:25:33] Voice 10: nation has a lot of people that are out there um

[2:25:36] Voice 10: just one thing i wanted to say that sort of ties

[2:25:39] Voice 10: back into the keats island short short for short protection but climate change mitigation

[2:25:44] Voice 10: One of the points that came up in the discussions we had when we were creating that letter related

[2:25:51] Voice 10: to the Squamish Nation was what about sea level rise mapping?

[2:25:57] Voice 10: And it struck for me a note because I can remember in one of the meetings somewhere

[2:26:03] Voice 10: along the way that somebody raised the point of, well, where's the data of sea level rise?

[2:26:08] Voice 10: And it's true, we tend to operate off generic data as opposed to specific data because we

[2:26:14] Voice 10: gathering specific data is often very time consuming and expensive and we don't have

[2:26:20] Voice 10: scientists about doing it but there will be data about sea level rise um and i'm wondering whether

[2:26:26] Voice 10: we could somehow incorporate it into the next staff report uh about the sea level rise for

[2:26:34] Voice 10: this area generically and we're not going to be any different on keats or gambier than they are

[2:26:39] Voice 10: are Gibsons or Bowen or Vancouver and there is

[2:26:45] Voice 10: data around what that's going to look like over

[2:26:47] Voice 10: the next 50 years so just a

[2:26:50] Voice 9: question yeah you go ahead oh well so I was uh I attended online the

[2:26:56] Voice 9: American Planning Association National Conference last week and one of the sessions that I attended

[2:27:03] Voice 9: that was was about coastal sea level rise mapping and one of the attend one of the presenters was

[2:27:12] Voice 9: the planning planning director from Kauai county Hawaii and I was thinking about the Keats project

[2:27:22] Voice 9: when I was watching it because they they don't have a lot of money for mapping the first thing

[2:27:28] Voice 9: that they've done in their process is to simply create setbacks. So they have a whole setback

[2:27:37] Voice 9: program that's sort of a standard setback for properties. And there are some exceptions. So

[2:27:47] Voice 9: if the setback entirely covers the entire lot, for instance, then you're limited to a thousand

[2:27:55] Voice 9: square feet within that on that property that those sorts of things so phase two for them

[2:28:01] Voice 9: is this is coastal is more specific coastal mapping and um and he had indicated that finding

[2:28:09] Voice 9: funding for that even for them was very difficult in part because a lot of the mapping that gets

[2:28:15] Voice 9: done is federally funded and um you know he had mentioned uh hurricane katrina had brought a lot

[2:28:23] Voice 9: of federal funding into Louisiana that didn't go to other states to do coastal flood mapping.

[2:28:31] Voice 9: So I don't know if that's just making me think about that project and you know how other

[2:28:39] Voice 9: communities are doing it and funding it and challenges that they have with it.

[2:28:45] Voice 9: But I also know that there's some coastal flood mapping going on with the regional districts

[2:28:50] Voice 9: and i think we should um connect more with them about that and what kind of information is

[2:28:56] Voice 9: available i

[2:28:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): believe it's uh from the house on community forum i believe it's west vancouver

[2:29:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah a huge

[2:29:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): project oh yeah and that's where

[2:29:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): people were getting their they're getting their

[2:29:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): data yeah yeah yeah and uh so that's the city of and they're part of the house on community forum

[2:29:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): that the honest trust provides some funding too so i'm sure their planners will talk so

[2:29:18] Voice 10: so do you

[2:29:18] Voice 10: need like motions if we ask you to do this or can will you just build it into um

[2:29:23] Voice 9: let me think about

[2:29:24] Voice 9: that um because i'm going to be helpful for us to have emotion

[2:29:28] Voice 10: i mean the other the other i mean the

[2:29:31] Voice 10: other issue is that was raised for me is you know where does our liability lie if we don't set a

[2:29:37] Voice 10: setback that is scientifically designed to be protected to be protective of the housing it's

[2:29:46] Voice 10: not just protecting the foreshorts, but being, being, uh, uh, uh, understanding of what's

[2:29:52] coming and we allow, although we allow people to build to close and as a result.

[2:30:00] Voice 10: they have damage to their house now there's a number of examples around keats places that

[2:30:08] Voice 10: are not going to survive because they were built way too close 68 years ago but now we're talking

[2:30:15] Voice 10: about well what if you have people build in the future and you know 22 and a half feet in a lot

[2:30:22] Voice 10: of places where it goes up it probably is plenty uh but there's places some places where it's

[2:30:29] Voice 10: it's relatively level, low bank.

[2:30:31] Voice 10: What's the impact?

[2:30:33] Voice 10: I

[2:30:33] Voice 2: don't know the answer

[2:30:34] Voice 10: to that here in this room.

[2:30:40] Voice 10: You won't be a trustee.

[2:30:42] Voice 10: Well, I'm 10 years, but anyway,

[2:30:46] Voice 10: but mostly what I'm interested in is,

[2:30:49] Voice 10: let's see if there's some specific data

[2:30:53] about sea level rise,

[2:30:55] Voice 10: projected sea level rise

[2:30:57] Voice 10: in the Howe Sound area or the area generally.

[2:31:01] Voice 10: only. So if you need a motion, I can make that.

[2:31:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): Go ahead. The comment that I have about getting

[2:31:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): this data is you can have a report that's five years old and it will be completely irrelevant

[2:31:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): because of what's happening. The expectations and estimations of sea level rise from five years ago

[2:31:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): is completely different. And there's no reason why that's not going to continue to accelerate

[2:31:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): rate or change based on what's happening on the planet like i and i almost found that talking

[2:31:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): about sea level rise heats in terms of flood impact was so fraught with well my property's

[2:31:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): i mean this far off the the beach and i'm on a rocky point so it doesn't matter and then somebody

[2:31:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): else is at a lower point so we should have special uh setbacks for different levels or different

[2:31:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): composition and I'm like this is way outside where we can go, but it doesn't change the fact that

[2:32:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): this is the the focus of First Nations archaeological artifacts, this is also where

[2:32:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): your highest biodiversity is, so I kind of focused on those more general impacts for the setback

[2:32:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): rather than trying to get into specifics of sea level rise because we just don't know from one

[2:32:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): part of the shoreline to the other it could be 20 feet on one place and 10 feet on another depending

[2:32:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): on the type of topography and um and you know what the erosion or what's going to happen so

[2:32:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): that was a sort of the bigger picture that i was looking at this is partly why okay please i'm

[2:32:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): suggesting uh the west vancouver in particular partly because it's the most recent yeah partly

[2:32:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): because i think they have already done 10 or 20 years of sea level rise because they have the

[2:32:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): king tides come in over their boardwalk their already walks their their walkways already

[2:33:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): and they have done a number of things over the years so they're well aware of the

[2:33:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): changes in the projections of sea level rise and what some of the things they might do they've

[2:33:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): already done some experiments so they might have some language in whatever bylaw they're developing

[2:33:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): that says something about use the current most current data or whatever I think that would be

[2:33:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah anyway so that's what I'm suggesting that but if you've

[2:33:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): got yeah no Dan's got he's thinking

[2:33:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): about emotion

[2:33:36] Voice 10: oh well sorry I thought

[2:33:39] Voice 10: trustee Stanford didn't think I should make such emotion

[2:33:41] Voice 10: because you wanted

[2:33:42] Voice 10: to have a multi-faceted approach to this which makes some sense

[2:33:45] Voice 10: well I guess

[2:33:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's a response but I know people in the community were saying show us the data

[2:33:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): And so in that case, yeah, it was

[2:33:54] Voice 10: not just on that issue, but there was

[2:33:56] Voice 10: other issues, but that was one of them that came up and someone specifically asked, yeah, is

[2:34:01] Voice 10: there any data showing sea level rise for that affects the key style?

[2:34:05] Voice 10: I'm not sure how it's any different than it is anywhere else.

[2:34:08] Voice 10: And it will depend on where you are on the island in terms of how exposed you are to storm.

[2:34:14] Voice 10: with direction right um because there's island parts of the island that are quite protected and

[2:34:19] Voice 10: quite and other parts of the island are quite exposed and then there's other parts where the

[2:34:24] Voice 10: houses are are often a bluff and some that are very close to the to a beach um anyway i'll just

[2:34:31] Voice 10: move that uh the lc requests staff uh to investigate uh data regarding sea level rise the

[2:34:40] Voice 10: the Keats slash house downed area,

[2:34:48] Voice 10: projected sea level rise.

[2:34:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): Related to the Keats Island shoreline protection project

[2:34:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): or do you want to make that?

[2:34:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): Well, sure.

[2:34:56] Voice 10: I mean, I'm not sure I'd have to,

[2:34:58] Voice 10: I'm not sure what I said. Okay, yeah.

[2:34:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): And

[2:35:00] Voice 10: maybe we can get Diane to read that back.

[2:35:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): Diane,

[2:35:04] Voice 4: did you catch that?

[2:35:08] Voice 4: Yes, you wanted to insert at the end of that

[2:35:11] Voice 4: related to the keats shoreline protection project maybe yeah did

[2:35:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): you read the whole motion yep

[2:35:19] Voice 4: that the local trust committee requests staff to investigate data regarding projected

[2:35:24] Voice 4: sea level rise for keats slash house sound area related to the keats shoreline protection project

[2:35:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): did you want to put the word projections in there i

[2:35:37] Voice 10: thought i did i thought it said projected didn't

[2:35:40] Voice 10: it say projected projected

[2:35:42] Voice 4: projected level right

[2:35:45] Voice 10: very

[2:35:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): good okay thank you

[2:35:48] Voice 10: that's fine that's good

[2:35:49] Voice 10: i think that's enough yeah i

[2:35:50] Voice 10: mean it's not the best worded motion i've ever made but it will

[2:35:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): provide this direction

[2:35:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay uh any more discussion okay then i'll call the question oh thank you

[2:36:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): seconded and uh all in favor thank you that passes unanimously right very

[2:36:08] Voice 9: good can i just add one

[2:36:09] Voice 9: one more thing. Yeah. You know, from a regulatory standpoint, having set setbacks, so just kind of

[2:36:16] Voice 9: assuming that, you know, without specific data for each property, giving sort of a blanket setback

[2:36:24] Voice 9: is sort of the easiest for everybody to deal with, you know, like, because an alternative

[2:36:31] Voice 9: is that you ask each and every property owner to go and hire a coastal engineer, you know,

[2:36:39] Voice 9: which would be an expensive option but it would be the most scientifically specific right so so to

[2:36:47] Voice 9: some extent just having a you know everybody's going to do seven and a half meters or 15 meters

[2:36:52] Voice 9: or whatever it ends up being um ends up being sort of a fair way to to do it without requiring a lot

[2:37:00] Voice 9: from the individual property owners to prove science um and and it's you know um also our

[2:37:09] Voice 9: organization not having the resources to go out and do that kind of specific science either so

[2:37:14] Voice 9: i think that in the end that ends up being one of the one of the reasons we take that approach is

[2:37:20] Voice 9: all of that the expense of science and

[2:37:23] Voice 10: it makes to me sitting at this table on this side of the

[2:37:27] Voice 10: of the table yeah and

[2:37:28] Voice 10: not out in the community well i am out in the community but it makes total

[2:37:33] Voice 10: sense to me as to why you would do that um but you know it doesn't always make sense to other

[2:37:39] Voice 10: folks it's sort of like the setback of the dock for mideocross but if you make a standard

[2:37:46] Voice 10: regulation related to that then everybody knows what it is and they can and if they say well as

[2:37:51] Voice 10: long as i've set back i can do this whereas for a lot of dock potential dock owners in the future

[2:37:58] Voice 10: they're probably going to have to get a marine investment and they're going to have to hire a

[2:38:03] Voice 10: specialist to get it and it's not going to just be us it's going to also be the province that

[2:38:08] Voice 10: requires that and it may be us and it may be the province but there's going to be because it's an

[2:38:14] individual one by one you're right if there's sort of set rules that someone can say yes i i get to

[2:38:20] see this

[2:38:21] Voice 10: and um but it doesn't work but it but it's not always that simple yeah anyway thank you

[2:38:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay good thanks and uh moving on to the annual report this is on the agenda page 67.

[2:38:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): anybody got anything you wanted to adjust here there's telling things up for us here basically

[2:38:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): do you want to

[2:38:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): say anything about

[2:38:48] Voice 9: it yeah just that this is um the draft language for the annual

[2:38:53] Voice 9: report and it reflects the permitting and sort of major projects yeah

[2:38:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): and just fairly briefly

[2:38:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): we talked about four crown line referrals and

[2:39:03] Voice 3: so

[2:39:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): there was the dock the new brighton dock the new

[2:39:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): break around and there were two other um it's not it's not a big deal but it was it's probably

[2:39:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): dogs uh

[2:39:18] Voice 10: well there are there probably because there's at least five on

[2:39:24] Voice 2: the other

[2:39:25] Voice 10: side of keats

[2:39:26] Voice 10: on the west side of keats okay and i'm not sure which ones how how many came this year and how

[2:39:33] Voice 10: many other years but there were there are a few for sure over there

[2:39:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah it always looks up

[2:39:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): pathetic i look at her and i'm just like oh is that all dead but

[2:39:45] Voice 9: we did a lot here people just

[2:39:47] Voice 9: sort of pretty it up i mean yeah

[2:39:48] Voice 9: you could yeah it's just that we have this template that we yeah

[2:39:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): i know i

[2:39:53] Voice 9: go through it every year yeah like what

[2:39:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah yeah and and it doesn't really include all

[2:39:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): this work the discussion that i'm thinking in the planning so we talked a lot okay anything else uh

[2:40:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): Any more remarks on that?

[2:40:10] Voice 10: I'll move that we can be our own local trust committee

[2:40:12] Voice 10: to endorse the following text for inclusion

[2:40:14] Voice 10: of the 2021-2022 annual report for approval

[2:40:17] Voice 10: by the Island Trust Council and its submission

[2:40:20] Voice 10: to the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing.

[2:40:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): Seconded. Thank you.

[2:40:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): Motion moved and seconded.

[2:40:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): Any more discussion?

[2:40:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): All those in favour?

[2:40:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you.

[2:40:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): That passes unanimously.

[2:40:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): Very good.

[2:40:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): And thank you for that, Heather.

[2:40:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then we're on to Sunshine Coast Regional District

[2:40:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): protocol meeting follow-up.

[2:40:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): So in here, you've got some notes from the executive administrator at the Sunshine Coast Regional District of the meeting we had.

[2:40:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): So who would like, both of you have spoken about this a little bit.

[2:40:55] Voice 10: These are actually the notes from 2020, October 2021.

[2:40:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): Oh, gosh. No, it's not.

[2:41:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): Oh.

[2:41:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yes, it is.

[2:41:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): That's why now I don't have to ask my questions because I was going, what was that?

[2:41:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): that. I don't remember that. Okay. So

[2:41:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): the agenda, which is the

[2:41:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): data I was looking at, this is the one on page 69 is for the

[2:41:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): meeting of 2022. And the notes underneath are for the previous

[2:41:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): year's meeting. Thank you very much for that. Because we have

[2:41:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): received notes. Yeah. For the for the most recent one. So

[2:41:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): maybe we should make sure staff happens.

[2:41:38] Voice 3: Okay,

[2:41:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you. Then I don't have to ask any more questions. Okay, let's move on. Unless anybody

[2:41:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): wants to discuss something particular here. Um, I mean, I think it's really valuable that we did

[2:41:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): this. I was really hoping for something to come out of Sunnybrain doc. Although I did what I knew

[2:41:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): wouldn't um but i think there is a actions from staff um trust area services to connect with

[2:42:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): their equivalent in scrd june 6 to talk about potential ways to move forward in terms of the

[2:42:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): province so that's that's helpful good that's really what i was hoping to come out of this

[2:42:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): and it was good to hear that there is some specific actions there's been staff being hired

[2:42:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): for emergency services coordinator that will have actual items for the islands so i mean that things

[2:42:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): seem to be really moving in the right direction for the original district in terms of how the

[2:42:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): islands participating so it was good i was impressed with the spirit of collaboration that

[2:42:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): i felt in the zoom meeting um but i had the chance to chair it it was a lively meeting it was good

[2:42:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): that was a quick chair turn around thank you for taking that on suddenly it's okay once i figured

[2:43:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): out oh i'm the chair okay um all right good any more discussion about that or just to let people

[2:43:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): know that's happening annually and uh which is great because it used to be a big deal to

[2:43:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): coordinate because everybody would have to meet in person and the schedules would have to line up

[2:43:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): getting a car or multiple ferries but this way doing it on zoom we get a higher participation

[2:43:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): and people are there for longer i noticed so uh i think that's really effective um way to hold

[2:43:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): those meetings okay let's move on then to 12.4 um these are the draft pass on principles of

[2:43:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): corporation yes together

[2:43:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): and uh page 73 and um uh dan do you want to introduce this

[2:43:48] Voice 10: uh i can

[2:43:48] Voice 10: introduce i can introduce this um so after the house that form at the end of april um

[2:43:58] Voice 10: not sure how ruth chose who she wanted but she she sort of sent out drafts to myself to

[2:44:09] Voice 10: Karen Elliott and to try and redraft and I I think that's a wise decision to not make it too big a

[2:44:20] Voice 10: group um there were some also discussion about how sound forum etc etc and uh we worked our way

[2:44:31] Voice 10: through the updates and what had was different in the principles of cooperation besides the update

[2:44:39] Voice 10: related to First Nations, which was, you know,

[2:44:44] Voice 10: what's going to happen and should happen,

[2:44:47] Voice 10: is the addition of Section 8,

[2:44:53] Voice 10: which is the whole idea around,

[2:44:56] Voice 10: as part of the principles of cooperation, the logistics,

[2:44:59] Voice 10: and which basically commits, says,

[2:45:06] Voice 10: the Biosphere Region Initiative is going to be the convener.

[2:45:09] Voice 10: we also that we support that and here's their role and that here's the role of what a host

[2:45:17] Voice 10: community will be and i have to say that i am okay i'm i will just be quite frank while i

[2:45:25] Voice 10: support this and i'm okay with this i still do not know what the convenience

[2:45:30] Voice 10: and i asked and it's not clear to me exactly what is intended by that but when i came to

[2:45:40] Voice 10: the conclusion then was is that well we can put that in the principle community of cooperation

[2:45:45] Voice 10: however the real barber is going to hit the road or i'm a member of an atom of understanding that

[2:45:50] Voice 10: ruth or whomever is going to go have to go out and discuss with each particular community it's not

[2:45:57] Voice 10: going to be it's not going to be the same for every community how they contribute to both the

[2:46:05] Voice 10: convening costs etc but i'm and i'm also quite sure she's going to get out they're they're going

[2:46:10] Voice 10: to get asked that question what do you mean by convening costs and i i did ask the question and

[2:46:17] Voice 10: i got a fairly i don't know what the right word is uh a bleak answer um and i'm not because i

[2:46:26] Voice 10: wanted to know whether they were wanting to include like a fee for the convener like a

[2:46:33] Voice 10: a $3,000 fee for all the organizing that goes into this,

[2:46:37] Voice 10: in addition to all of the costs related to or not.

[2:46:42] Voice 10: And my understanding of the answer is a not,

[2:46:46] Voice 10: but I'm not convinced of that.

[2:46:50] Voice 10: But on the other hand, I think it's important,

[2:46:53] Voice 10: and I sort of indicated we could be the first one out of the gate

[2:46:57] Voice 10: to write a letter saying that we support

[2:47:00] Voice 10: support and adopt the principles of cooperation if we're if people are interested yeah

[2:47:08] Voice 2: so so I

[2:47:10] Voice 10: don't know the answer when you ask the question what do they mean by what is meant by yeah I

[2:47:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): I

[2:47:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): think of all the organizations that could potentially sign this we are the ones most

[2:47:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): likely to be able to accommodate a certain vagueness um but I got the sense from our

[2:47:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): regional district meeting that they have they're not sure what this is yeah and that they are

[2:47:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): looking for quite a bit more clarity and especially yeah but this doesn't help i i think

[2:47:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): they want to they want a much more clear sense of how it all fits together because when you start

[2:47:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): talking about it although it makes sense to me um it's only because i've been part of the

[2:47:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): the evolution of

[2:48:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): this for so long.

[2:48:01] Voice 3: I

[2:48:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): think there's gonna be,

[2:48:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): they need to be much more tight on how they explain

[2:48:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): what the relationship is between the different organizations.

[2:48:11] Voice 10: So the issue is going to be is if they come

[2:48:14] Voice 10: to the Sunshine Coast Regional District,

[2:48:17] take an example or

[2:48:19] Voice 10: Lions Bay or somebody like that

[2:48:22] Voice 3: and

[2:48:22] Voice 10: say, will you be the next host organization?

[2:48:25] Voice 10: And they go, yeah, okay.

[2:48:27] Voice 10: okay, so we know we have to provide a meeting place

[2:48:29] Voice 10: and we always provide lunch

[2:48:30] Voice 10: and we might provide some transportation

[2:48:33] Voice 10: and they go, yeah,

[2:48:34] Voice 10: and your competing costs are $4,000,

[2:48:37] Voice 10: then the lifespan is going to go,

[2:48:38] Voice 10: no thanks, we're not going to do that.

[2:48:42] And so they'll just lose host organizations

[2:48:46] Voice 3: on that basis

[2:48:47] Voice 10: if that becomes what they intend.

[2:48:51] Voice 10: On the other hand,

[2:48:52] Voice 10: I'm entirely empathetic to the fact

[2:48:55] Voice 10: that this organization that buys for regional industry has to find a way to coverage and

[2:48:59] Voice 10: cost them because it can't operate on public it can't do it anymore

[2:49:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): no and i think that's

[2:49:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): how they need to outline that community that you are also paying for the hesbury and this is

[2:49:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): we're looking at this why just so people know we're looking on page 76 this is one of the

[2:49:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): the, I guess it's the fourth open bullet H S B R I S. How sound biosphere reserve region?

[2:49:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah,

[2:49:31] Voice 10: they don't use the word

[2:49:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): region, something I asked. I could be in class. So fascinating.

[2:49:44] Voice 10: Thanks for

[2:49:45] Voice 10: dropping in now.

[2:49:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): the member of the public has left the room my neighbor yes he's my neighbor oh well not

[2:49:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): immediate neighbor yes everyone's how do

[2:50:01] Voice 10: i how do i say

[2:50:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): it um yeah i'm almost like there

[2:50:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): there needs to be one step before this which is how does it all mesh together like what is

[2:50:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): that relationship so they get a better understanding well

[2:50:17] Voice 10: if you don't if you're

[2:50:19] Voice 10: not ready to do this uh because you want some clarity around that um then that's what i suggest

[2:50:25] Voice 10: we go back and say we we are prepared to sign on to the all of it and i did i will say i did

[2:50:32] Voice 10: raise the possibility of taking that out of the poc and putting it in the mou

[2:50:37] Voice 10: but they were pretty clear that they wanted it up front because the memorandum of understanding

[2:50:43] Voice 10: what's going to be, you know, individual local governments.

[2:50:48] Voice 10: So, anyway, whatever you guys, I mean, I would like to be,

[2:50:55] Voice 10: I mean, it would be my preference to endorse the, and maybe,

[2:51:04] Voice 10: okay, so here, I can read

[2:51:08] Voice 2: you the answer.

[2:51:12] Voice 10: Convening is specific to organizing the forum events.

[2:51:16] Voice 10: this forum contains as one of its programs I know that are specific to describing the

[2:51:21] Voice 10: purpose of the event which to provide a forum for governments I know that

[2:51:26] Voice 10: um the HH house on bar for region is now responsible to coordinate meetings and

[2:51:34] Voice 10: agenda material for member a member of this is why the tasks study with for that and the costs

[2:51:40] Voice 10: are explained in the POC this saves me explaining it each and every time to each and every local

[2:51:44] Voice 10: government the secretariat services agreement with islands trust has really helped with the

[2:51:50] Voice 10: cost of foreign events but the funding is a year to ask in the tradition of the formats

[2:51:55] Voice 10: we convene each local government would have an mou that describes relationships so it doesn't

[2:51:59] Voice 10: really answer the question um but on the other hand i would i know that that uh they would like

[2:52:06] Voice 10: us to sort of start

[2:52:08] Voice 10: i

[2:52:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): i mean i i know what i have confidence that this is the right direction so i

[2:52:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): don't have a problem signing off on it but i just think in terms of other so

[2:52:24] Voice 10: why don't we amend the

[2:52:25] Voice 10: letter and say that because

[2:52:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): then i'm going to have to come up with words this is page 77 you're

[2:52:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): looking at the draft well

[2:52:32] Voice 10: there's a letter interestingly

[2:52:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's a witching hour right now

[2:52:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): Well,

[2:52:36] Voice 10: it's it's 120. No, it's just

[2:52:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): words are not

[2:52:41] Voice 10: going to come.

[2:52:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): Sorry, which letter? I'm looking at the letter that's on page 77.

[2:52:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): And it's a letter that we could.

[2:52:48] Voice 10: Yeah. So what the other thing is, for whatever reason, and again, I'm not Ruth indicated.

[2:52:56] Voice 10: You see, she notes herself as the president. She's the executive director, whatever.

[2:53:02] whatever um she asked rather than have people sign the poc like they did

[2:53:09] Voice 10: the first time she

[2:53:10] Voice 10: just wants a letter of commitment um so the question is are we prepared to do that or not

[2:53:19] uh and if so um uh how do we want to put any qualifiers around

[2:53:29] Voice 10: like a sentence that says

[2:53:35] Voice 10: Because while we have agreed to the principle of cooperation, the convening costs will be a matter for this one that we don't want to discuss at any point from the host organization

[2:53:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): or something like that, because we can't give a carte blanche as to what those might be.

[2:53:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we could say based on a reasonable understanding of convening costs at any given meeting.

[2:54:02] Voice 10: I mean, I sort of thought we got to the point about the meeting that we were going to try

[2:54:07] Voice 10: and find a formula by which we were going to have every local government kick in money

[2:54:13] Voice 10: to the biosphere so that their convening costs could be covered on a generic way.

[2:54:18] Voice 10: This is going a different direction.

[2:54:20] Voice 10: It's having the host organization at least pay for some of the costs.

[2:54:25] Voice 10: us so

[2:54:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): but this is where i think we're gonna hit a wall is number one it is hard for us to

[2:54:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): pop up with extra money us being the honest trust for a specific meeting that we haven't

[2:54:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): budgeted for the year before that's a real challenge for us the

[2:54:45] Voice 10: last time we did it we

[2:54:46] Voice 10: took it out of our communications budget yeah

[2:54:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): where we're just grasping at things to to try

[2:54:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): and make that work um on the other hand um because like other ways of funding the biosphere would

[2:55:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): include maybe a a parcel tax and we would not be part of that because we are under the rd so we

[2:55:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): would only be taxed once crd so we could have a separate contribution under the secretariat

[2:55:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): as are as the island's trust contributions separate from all the other governments so i

[2:55:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): think in the end that's what we're going to keep asking for is what what's the money like what are

[2:55:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): we talking about in terms of money i don't see how we're going to be able to um slot in a budgeted

[2:55:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): amount to host the forum without a specific process we're

[2:55:43] Voice 10: going to have to at some point

[2:55:46] Voice 10: put build it into our project for a local trust committee

[2:55:49] Voice 2: yeah i

[2:55:50] Voice 10: mean that's the only way we did

[2:55:51] Voice 10: it before it's we we put it in as a project an annual project and it got funded there's a there

[2:55:56] Voice 10: is a different broad process to get things funded now as projects for a local trust committee it

[2:56:02] Voice 10: didn't become a staff driven project but it became a dollar number would

[2:56:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): you be comfortable um if we

[2:56:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): added the words based on a reasonable assessment of the convening costs for any specific meeting

[2:56:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): to the very end of the very last line because then we're doing all the commitments and that's

[2:56:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): just our little tag bit i

[2:56:27] Voice 10: i would actually put it into the second paragraph which is the one that

[2:56:34] Voice 10: we're basically indicating because i would like to have the words we acknowledge and support

[2:56:39] Voice 10: support I have the words and support I

[2:56:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): just want to make sure um Dan's not getting

[2:56:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): turned around with our meandering conversation yeah

[2:56:49] Voice 10: we haven't made a motion yet

[2:56:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): so I bet she

[2:56:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): is keeping in we

[2:56:52] Voice 10: acknowledge what we're doing

[2:56:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): we're looking at the draft letter on page 77

[2:56:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): of the agenda right and we're starting to come up with some text to modify it we

[2:57:02] Voice 10: so what I was

[2:57:03] Voice 10: going to suggest is uh chair fast you know

[2:57:06] Voice 10: whatever if you want to do something different

[2:57:09] Voice 10: i'll certainly be supportive of that we acknowledge and i would like to work and

[2:57:13] Voice 10: support the may 2022 changes to the wording of provincial um cooperation that reflect the

[2:57:20] Voice 10: societal and logistical changes over the past 20 years based on a reasonable assessment

[2:57:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): assessment

[2:57:28] Voice 10: of convening costs if we for

[2:57:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): any specific meeting for

[2:57:34] Voice 10: any specific meeting that we are the host

[2:57:36] Voice 10: organization did

[2:57:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): you catch that diane letter

[2:57:43] Voice 3: it's

[2:57:46] Voice 2: in process okay okay

[2:58:00] Voice 4: um so paragraph two

[2:58:03] Voice 4: we acknowledge and support the may 2022 changes to the wording of the principles for cooperation

[2:58:09] Voice 4: that reflect the societal and logical changes over the past 20 years based on a reasonable

[2:58:17] Voice 4: assessment of convening costs for any specific meeting for which we are the host organization

[2:58:23] Voice 4: yeah

[2:58:24] Voice 10: and that's not logical it's logistical okay

[2:58:28] Voice 4: thank you that's

[2:58:30] Voice 10: actually in the letter itself

[2:58:31] Voice 10: but very good so

[2:58:33] Voice 10: that my motion would be to change my motion would be to change the letter to the

[2:58:39] Voice 10: house found the ice fear regional system as per uh the length as per the language we just

[2:58:48] read and have the chair send and send a

[2:58:52] Voice 10: sign and send that to the advisor

[2:58:56] Voice 10: okay so that could be a two-step we can amend the letter and then pass a motion just to sign

[2:59:04] Voice 10: extent but i thought we could why don't

[2:59:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): we do

[2:59:08] Voice 10: it separately because it's okay so then my motion is

[2:59:12] Voice 10: uh to amend the letter to uh the biosphere region as per and you could just the second paragraph

[2:59:21] Voice 10: as per and then you could put the language in uh diane so

[2:59:27] Voice 2: so let's imagine moving

[2:59:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): that that's good

[2:59:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): and we'll just change the name. The X's can become Gambierano.

[2:59:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): Correct. And that sounds good. Do I have a seconder?

[2:59:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah. Thank you, Kate Louise. Any more discussion? All in favor?

[2:59:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): One, two, three hands went up. Thanks. Then I'll move

[2:59:46] Voice 10: that the letter be

[2:59:50] Voice 10: signed by Chair Fasken

[2:59:52] Voice 10: and forwarded to the Biosphere Regents.

[2:59:55] Voice 10: Very good.

[2:59:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): Seconder? Thank you, Kate.

[3:00:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): any more discussion all in favor thanks thanks very much

[3:00:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): diane did you get all that

[3:00:09] Voice 4: um was that just one motion no

[3:00:13] Voice 10: it was two so we passed a motion to amend the letter as per

[3:00:17] Voice 10: the language that you read out okay and

[3:00:19] Voice 10: then we passed a motion to sign for chair fast to sign

[3:00:23] Voice 10: and send the letter

[3:00:24] Voice 4: okay i got that thank you thanks

[3:00:26] Voice 10: a lot sorry to be so confusing thank you

[3:00:29] Voice 4: very good and then

[3:00:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): we'll go on then to page 78 this is the i want to note we're at 130 and we

[3:00:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): were hoping i think the agenda runs out at 205 is when it's for adjournment and it might be because

[3:00:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): of flights and stuff so i just want to keep us moving here um this is the uh best management

[3:00:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): practices for marine dogs yeah and

[3:00:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh what would we like to do with this page 78 so

[3:00:58] Voice 10: i guess my my

[3:00:59] Voice 10: My question is, it's great, and this is an example of what the biosphere is going to do, is this kind of information and education.

[3:01:11] Voice 10: So how do we disseminate? I don't want to burden staff by having a bailout go to everybody. Can you and I just disseminate it?

[3:01:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): we can do that but i also would like to see it reference to both the keats shoreline project

[3:01:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): and the gambier island ocp project it relates to both links to both so this is what i was

[3:01:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): wondering is whether you wanted to uh direct staff to uh refer this best benefit practices

[3:01:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): is three docs documented uh to those two projects and then also ask staff to put it on a website

[3:01:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): somewhere so that everybody can link to it and find it uh i don't know on the big website whether

[3:01:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): there is a whether this would just be for gampy or local trust committee i guess i guess that would

[3:02:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): have to be in the i'm

[3:02:07] Voice 10: not sure what you're saying okay are you trying

[3:02:10] Voice 10: to get to the whole trust area

[3:02:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): no i was trying to uh think about where it would go and it could maybe it'll go to the

[3:02:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): whole trust area in time but it would start in uh so we could pass a motion trust committee

[3:02:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): web page we could start we could have a motion there so

[3:02:30] Voice 10: what if we referred it and asked staff

[3:02:32] Voice 10: to put it up on both the gambier ocp review and the peace island project websites as material

[3:02:42] material

[3:02:42] Voice 10: I mean there's research material there's stuff that goes there we just do that

[3:02:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): and

[3:02:48] Voice 10: then I and then I

[3:02:50] Voice 10: think then Kate Louise and I have just I'm just going to say here it

[3:02:55] Voice 2: is

[3:02:55] Voice 10: just for your information here's information because it's it's kind of interesting it's very

[3:03:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): useful so before we get into an actual motion I just want to note that the link to the island's

[3:03:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): trust part of the package is doesn't work so that needs to be re-linked somewhere

[3:03:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): i mean

[3:03:23] Voice 10: in his in his document yeah

[3:03:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): it provides a direct link to the island's trust

[3:03:33] Voice 10: there were a couple times we talked about it there

[3:03:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): is a link and i clicked on it and it did

[3:03:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): landowners guide yeah best practices i think for landowners or sensitive ecosystems i think it said

[3:03:48] Voice 3: and

[3:03:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): it went somewhere but not the right place so it was uh on page 85 number three island's

[3:03:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): trusted landowner's guide to protecting shoreline ecosystems yeah it takes you to a dfo yeah site

[3:04:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): which i think

[3:04:04] Voice 9: should be the next one so if so if we post this we should make sure our links are

[3:04:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): check our own links

[3:04:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): that would be great

[3:04:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): it just

[3:04:14] Voice 10: took me to the non-stress

[3:04:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): but it doesn't take you

[3:04:18] Voice 10: oh there's nothing there

[3:04:19] Voice 10: it

[3:04:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): doesn't take you to anything

[3:04:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): right

[3:04:21] Voice 10: so I'll just move

[3:04:26] Voice 10: that staff be requested

[3:04:27] Voice 10: to post this

[3:04:31] Voice 10: information on the

[3:04:32] Voice 10: project websites for both

[3:04:36] Voice 10: the Gambier OCP and

[3:04:37] Voice 10: Keys for Shore

[3:04:39] Voice 10: project

[3:04:40] Voice 10: project okay

[3:04:41] Voice 2: and

[3:04:45] Voice 10: i second that that one's a little

[3:04:46] Voice 10: clearer diane and

[3:04:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh kate louise has seconded that

[3:04:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): any more discussion i think it's a great place to start we can start use it see how it's useful

[3:04:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): staff can get a look at it well

[3:04:59] Voice 10: and the bottom line is between kate louise and i we probably

[3:05:03] Voice 10: and our share people sharing our emails we probably reach 75 percent of the people on the

[3:05:10] Voice 10: islands

[3:05:11] Voice 2: um

[3:05:12] Voice 10: i think we've come to the conclusion after eight years that by far the most efficient

[3:05:18] Voice 10: way to get information into people's hands is through our email contact

[3:05:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah i just meant

[3:05:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): besides that this is also a way to get it into use within yeah you know just experimenting with this

[3:05:29] Voice 2: that's terrific

[3:05:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): so any more discussion don't call the question all those in favor one two

[3:05:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): three hands goes up that's great thank you 12.6 meeting with transportation and infrastructure

[3:05:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): structure ministry please so i just added this in we usually have at least once a term in meeting

[3:05:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): with the local modi um team up at seashells and we haven't had one this term the reason i'm

[3:05:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): considering it is there was a change in staff and i haven't had a whole lot of uptake with the new

[3:06:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): staff person at modi joe joe tasker trasker joey tasker and um i'm hearing from specifically the

[3:06:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): eastern side of the island where there's all the maintenance is private they're not sure

[3:06:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): what should and should not be maintained or how to get public roads maintained through their water

[3:06:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): access only areas that are not being tanked also um roads are being extended and new properties

[3:06:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): developed but they're not part of that particular subdivision agreement so does the subdivision

[3:06:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): extend their agreement or how do they convince the new owners to connect to to the the funding

[3:06:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): formula so it's sort of weird it's more authority problems and i don't know how to move those kind

[3:07:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): of solutions forward and i was hoping by meeting with ot they could give some sense of how to

[3:07:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): in general in practice these kind of issues so

[3:07:15] Voice 10: my suggestion would be i'm guessing we have a

[3:07:19] Voice 10: protocol letter or a memorandum of understanding yeah and

[3:07:24] Voice 10: that says we're supposed to meet once

[3:07:27] Voice 10: once a year, you could, somebody could simply just write to whoever this person is since we

[3:07:34] Voice 10: want to invoke. And I'm thinking specifically of Laura Patrick and what she was talking about is

[3:07:39] Voice 10: apparently there's something on Salisbury where they're supposed to meet with the minister once

[3:07:42] Voice 10: a year. And they wrote the minister and say, we want to, said we want to invoke our

[3:07:47] Voice 3: letter of

[3:07:48] Voice 10: understanding or whatever it's called. And lo and behold, they got a meeting with the minister of

[3:07:53] Voice 10: highways so there are 80 plus of these protocol memorandum understand letters of understanding

[3:08:04] Voice 10: in the trust that many of which are very very dated and i bet you there's one for with modi

[3:08:10] Voice 10: and the the gambier local trust area we'll

[3:08:15] Voice 9: have a look have a look i know we do have an

[3:08:17] Voice 9: an mou with moody islands trust hasn't yeah but yeah i haven't seen it i'll

[3:08:24] Voice 10: bet there's one

[3:08:25] Voice 10: for a local one and so i guess my only consideration about this if you can arrange

[3:08:32] Voice 10: a meeting i think it should be virtual um and i don't know that we necessarily need to include

[3:08:39] Voice 10: staff and unless they really want to be there or you think it's important well

[3:08:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): if they're talking

[3:08:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): with subdivision and rules and stuff like that yeah okay

[3:08:52] Voice 10: well whatever i just didn't want to

[3:08:54] Voice 10: burden staff um but i i if you want to go do that i mean i can certainly have some things i could

[3:09:01] Voice 10: talk to them about yeah like why do you get snow removal if we don't and why do they come once

[3:09:06] Voice 10: every six months

[3:09:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): every six

[3:09:08] Voice 10: weeks to gambier and and don't come every in six months you can stop

[3:09:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee review the MOU with the Sunshine Coast Ministry of

[3:09:33] Voice 2: Transportation Infrastructure.

[3:09:34] Voice 2: Are

[3:09:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): they there? Regional district? Regional office? And arrange for a virtual meeting to discuss road issues on the island.

[3:10:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay. Do you want to direct staff to do this? Because what you've done is just direct the staff to look at the memorandum and understand.

[3:10:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): And direct staff.

[3:10:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): And direct staff to organize the meeting.

[3:10:13] Voice 10: So what, I would have, sorry, I don't mean to.

[3:10:17] Voice 10: Go

[3:10:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): ahead, do it.

[3:10:17] Voice 10: No, no, I just, I would assume that you're going to set up the meeting.

[3:10:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Well, I'm not sure if he'll respond.

[3:10:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): but if if i have the mou i can just email them that may then respond right okay okay so i will

[3:10:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): do it all right so diane can you read back what you want do

[3:10:38] Voice 10: you want to start over

[3:10:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): let's see i

[3:10:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): think it should be okay dan if you use your uh sort of vast experience with my lack of

[3:10:48] Voice 4: motion making okay i've got it here uh the gambia ireland local trust committee review the mou with

[3:10:55] Voice 4: the sunshine coast ministry of transportation infrastructure regional office and direct

[3:11:01] Voice 4: staff to arrange for a virtual meeting to discuss road issues can we just do that and then

[3:11:09] Voice 9: i will do

[3:11:10] Voice 9: it yes um and it's request not direct sorry request is

[3:11:16] Voice 9: better got

[3:11:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): it that's an interesting

[3:11:21] Voice 10: discussion about that

[3:11:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay uh do i have a seconder yes thank

[3:11:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): you we've got a second

[3:11:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): motion seconded any more discussion all those in favor thank you that passes unanimously

[3:11:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you very much

[3:11:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay um i'm gonna skip quickly through the next parts um because

[3:11:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): Because we're getting close to the end of the meeting, and some of us were in some of these meetings.

[3:11:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): So, Trust Conservancy, we've got a report dated March 2020 there.

[3:11:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I have a few things to update.

[3:11:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, and the ARIN newsletter is there as well.

[3:11:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then I'm going to turn it over to the chair of the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[3:12:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): Go ahead, Kate.

[3:12:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): So, very briefly, we had a meeting.

[3:12:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): The Islands Trust Conservancy had a meeting on Tuesday.

[3:12:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): Tuesday, the board allocated its recent donation of $100,000 to the opportunity to fund with

[3:12:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): 50,000 being earmarked for Salt Spring Island projects in the spirit of the donor that and

[3:12:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): that would probably be fit within her requests.

[3:12:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Our species at risk program, it's been extended for another three years.

[3:12:28] Voice 10: Yes, I heard we heard that yes, it's our executive committee.

[3:12:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): That's great.

[3:12:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's

[3:12:34] Voice 10: great work news

[3:12:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's great news with supportive funding from the federal government

[3:12:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): and we welcome the co-ops our new co-op student aislan king whose position is funded in part

[3:12:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): through this program management plan for sandy beach has been reviewed um

[3:12:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): so we look forward

[3:12:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): to seeing how the volunteer warden recommendations can be implemented and how that also may include

[3:13:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): Discussion around the ongoing issue of fallow deer on Maine and a recognition is not just a single island problem.

[3:13:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): Islands Trust Conservancy will be requesting joint advocacy with Trust Council to the province to resolve this complex problem.

[3:13:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): And we agreed to adjust the required five-year ITC plan to a three-year interim plan,

[3:13:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): giving significant staffing and project constraints with a focus on First Nation engagement and climate change.

[3:13:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): So in case anyone is interested, our five-year ITC plan is a requirement of the government

[3:13:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): as based on the Act.

[3:13:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): And that's all I wanted to talk about.

[3:13:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, that's great.

[3:13:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thanks.

[3:13:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's just that five-year plan is different from the conservation plan.

[3:13:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we've got several plans going on in both five years.

[3:13:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): This one is just being shortened to three years of conservation plans.

[3:13:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thanks for the update about

[3:13:55] Voice 10: Sandy Peaches.

[3:13:57] is just,

[3:13:59] Voice 10: that's unfortunate that tomorrow's meeting is canceled.

[3:14:03] Voice 10: Would

[3:14:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): it be, because I'm not sure,

[3:14:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): we don't get the management plans in our local trust packages.

[3:14:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): And they're

[3:14:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): fascinating.

[3:14:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): I find them fascinating.

[3:14:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): Would it be of interest once it's finished

[3:14:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): for you to send it out to the community?

[3:14:21] Voice 10: It might be.

[3:14:21] Voice 10: I mean, it came to the series of referrals

[3:14:24] Voice 10: on the island and conservation groups.

[3:14:26] Voice 10: i

[3:14:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): could just ask for a link to go in the next agenda yeah or or it goes something you put in

[3:14:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): here as a link to the trustee yeah i

[3:14:34] Voice 10: could i i thought about i i just knew that the people who

[3:14:38] Voice 10: wanted to know about it knew about it but we could go out yeah because there was actually

[3:14:42] Voice 10: yeah there was a public survey and it had not a lot of uptake unfortunately well

[3:14:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): i think it's a

[3:14:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's a project to build on

[3:14:52] Voice 10: correct to build interest and it would be great to have volunteers

[3:14:58] Voice 10: from the people who live around the side of the beach and they're quite keen as i as i understand

[3:15:02] Voice 10: i'll

[3:15:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): put it on the next agenda too in the info items thank

[3:15:05] Voice 10: you thank you for all the work yeah

[3:15:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's great very good and now we're going to go to the applications report page 97. any questions

[3:15:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): for the planner

[3:15:16] Voice 3: not for me

[3:15:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): no i didn't have any either okay then we'll go on to uh trustee uh

[3:15:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh expense report page 102 this is from may march so um there's a new one now right yes so this is

[3:15:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): outdated so we'll move on and if that was the end of the fiscal year we'll go on to

[3:15:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh anything people want to talk about the 13.4 is there for a reference anything we've talked

[3:15:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): about the first nations activity during the go ahead um i just want to note that i happen to meet

[3:16:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): representatives or staff from squamish nation and and also this squamish nation marine group

[3:16:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): and um they happen to be inspecting the dock or looking at the dog a new bright dock and

[3:16:16] Voice 3: and I

[3:16:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): happen to be there.

[3:16:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): Just to clarify that the New Brighton Dock

[3:16:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): is now part of the Niche Chi Development Corporation.

[3:16:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): So it's one step removed from direct auspices

[3:16:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): of the Squamish First Nation,

[3:16:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that it's now considered an asset

[3:16:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): under their development corporation,

[3:16:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): which is the same organization

[3:16:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): organization that is developing some of the projects, like Burrard Street Bridge and Jericho

[3:16:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): Lands. And so it's just slightly separated out. There's different staff looking at it. There's

[3:16:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): some of the same staff, but there's a whole being a whole structural reorganization in the Squamish

[3:17:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): Nation as to how it's looked at and who looks at it. So just to let people know about that.

[3:17:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): Are you good? Okay. Thank you. Anything else about First Nations? Local Trust Committee

[3:17:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): webpage? Anybody want to say anything? Or should we just leave that alone? You guys

[3:17:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): do great stuff getting the word out because I'm one of your main ones. So that's how I

[3:17:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): know about your islands. Page 106 is our top priorities list, 14.1.

[3:17:34] Voice 10: I just have a question about the top priorities list. I noticed we still have

[3:17:40] Voice 2: rar

[3:17:41] Voice 10: as our top priority and how is that simply because we're waiting for the minister we haven't

[3:17:48] Voice 10: adopted those final bylaws is that what we

[3:17:51] Voice 9: have not adopted them and part of it um is that the

[3:17:55] Voice 9: ministry has actually said we have to re-refer to some first nations yeah the

[3:18:03] Voice 2: ones about animal

[3:18:04] Voice 2: avoidance

[3:18:04] Voice 9: yes so we've had we've had to go through that process and we're we're actually in a referral

[3:18:13] Voice 9: period right now where we're waiting for comments if we don't get any comments the ministry will

[3:18:19] Voice 9: you know go through their process unlikely to prove it what

[3:18:22] Voice 10: did we do wrong we

[3:18:23] Voice 9: we didn't do

[3:18:25] Voice 9: anything wrong we um when we did our referral period um

[3:18:31] Voice 10: well did we amend the bylaws after

[3:18:33] Voice 10: we referred them no

[3:18:34] Voice 9: well that's not really the issue the issue is that we have a referral list

[3:18:41] Voice 9: that we get from the ministry of the First Nations that we're supposed to be referred to.

[3:18:44] Voice 9: When we went through our referral process for the bylaws, we used the list they gave us. But now,

[3:18:52] Voice 9: the list is different. And

[3:18:54] Voice 9: there were First Nations whose territories were expanded.

[3:19:00] Voice 9: So the ministry has gotten advice that for those bylaws where the territories expanded,

[3:19:06] Voice 9: it should be referred okay

[3:19:08] Voice 10: so okay thank you so it would make me extremely happy

[3:19:12] Voice 10: if we could adopt those bylaws before the end of this term agreed and take that off of our

[3:19:18] Voice 10: something

[3:19:19] Voice 9: agreed so hopefully that um will come to you by september okay yeah

[3:19:28] Voice 10: thanks okay okay

[3:19:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): anything else no

[3:19:32] Voice 10: oh

[3:19:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): priorities projects list no 107 we're

[3:19:36] Voice 10: not going to have

[3:19:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): five projects

[3:19:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah but we're just zipping past them uh just to info items in our next regular meeting sorry i

[3:19:45] Voice 10: just just this point of information everybody here um i just i just sorry i'm sorry to interrupt but

[3:19:50] Voice 10: they i just noticed the thorn in pi i just wanted to point out that um uh a really good friend of

[3:19:56] Voice 10: the trust who has been the caretaker uh friends uh on thornton or thornton has laughter their

[3:20:03] Voice 10: positions um and that's shirley higginson and russ i'm sorry russ if you're watching

[3:20:10] Voice 10: spencer it's his last name spent anyway whatever russ's last name anyway i want to acknowledge all

[3:20:16] Voice 10: of the the communication they were always very good um communicators and where the people are

[3:20:23] Voice 10: go-to people on thornby island and would have been instrumental in getting this particular project on

[3:20:29] Voice 10: our project list the number seven the thermia for sure but they're now they've now done their time

[3:20:35] Voice 10: they've done their seven or eight years or whatever it was they were caretakers and they've

[3:20:39] Voice 10: moved so hey just an acknowledgement thank you shirley thank you russ for a great

[3:20:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): supporter of

[3:20:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): the trust yeah and it's man-made and

[3:20:48] Voice 10: i should send you out and if i didn't copy you i may have

[3:20:51] Voice 10: copy of the new new person that's up now

[3:20:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): i haven't seen that perhaps

[3:20:56] Voice 10: i should let staff know too

[3:20:58] Voice 10: because they that as the caretakers at foecroft i don't know if you know north thurnaby at all but

[3:21:03] Voice 10: foecroft is sort of the dense community of 60 odd cabins and then there's a bunch of 10 acres around

[3:21:11] Voice 10: which are much smaller a much smaller numbers but the real action happens in foecroft which is

[3:21:17] Voice 2: it's

[3:21:18] Voice 10: an improvement an odd little anachronism of bc governance anyway i'll send you his the new

[3:21:28] Voice 10: guys shane some of your other contact information just so you have in case anything comes up out

[3:21:34] Voice 10: there i

[3:21:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): call it the most expensive real estate in the

[3:21:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): gabby or local chest area

[3:21:38] Voice 10: in the trust area

[3:21:39] Voice 10: period on a per square foot on a thing a million

[3:21:45] Voice 10: and a half bucks for a non-waterfront cabin sorry

[3:21:48] Voice 10: Sorry, I shouldn't be doing this probably, sorry.

[3:21:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, let's just go to 16.1.

[3:21:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): And this is next regular meeting.

[3:21:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): We're just confirming that it's Thursday, July 14th, 2022

[3:21:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): on Keats Island at 10 o'clock in the morning

[3:22:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the chart room.

[3:22:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Very good, at Keats Camp.

[3:22:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): Very good.

[3:22:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you, everybody.

[3:22:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): This meeting is, I'm calling for adjournment.

[3:22:11] Voice 10: That's fine.

[3:22:12] Voice 10: I have some other things I can tell you when we're offline.

[3:22:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, great.

[3:22:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you.

[3:22:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you, Diane.

[3:22:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): Diane, and thank you, staff.

[3:22:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): And thank you, FAST chair.

[3:22:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): FAST chair.

[3:22:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yes, I have a comment about my name.

[3:22:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay.

[3:22:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I'm going to adjourn this meeting now.

[3:22:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you, everybody.

[3:22:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I'm just going

[3:22:29] Voice 2: to figure out how to stop the video.

[3:22:30] Voice 2: There we go.

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Gambier Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
May 26, 2022 
John Braithwaite Community Centre 
145 West 1st Street 
North Vancouver, BC 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 Dan Rogers, Local Trustee 
 Kate-Louise Stamford, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Marlis McCargar, Island Planner 
 Stephen Baugh, Planner 2 (part) 
 Diane Corbett, Recorder 
Others Present: Members of the Public – 2 (am); 1 (pm) 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
“Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:38 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations, in person and electronically, and was 
being recorded; A recording of the meeting would be posted to the website. 
The Chair introduced trustees and staff in attendance. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 Add as part of 9.2: Motion for discussion regarding Gambier DPA#3 Riparian Areas brochure  
 12.6: Meeting with Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure 
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended. 
3. RISE AND REPORT – none  
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Stamford reported on recent activities as follows: 

 
Did three site visits with Planner Baugh. 

 
Fielded community members’ concerns about road maintenance authority on the 
eastern part of Gambier Island. 

 
Attended Howe Sound Community Forum at Furry Creek. 

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
 
Continue to support activities of the Gambier Island Community Association - New 
Brighton Dock Committee.  Provided background at their presentation to the 
Regional District. 

 
Participated in the Islands Trust/Sunshine Coast Regional District (SCRD) annual joint 
meeting - see that staff are in a better place to support exploratory actions around 
solutions for the New Brighton Dock and possibly the Island docks in general.   

 
Attended the Salish Sea Conference via Zoom.  Lots of good initiatives for cross-
border cooperation especially through First Nations lead projects.  
Trustee Rogers reported on recent activities as follows: 
 Continued involvement in work with Trust Council and Executive Committee, 
including preparation for Trust Council meeting June 21-23. Members of the public 
can join via Zoom, and are welcome to make comments to Trust Council. 
 Work on Trust Programs Committee: doing background and political work regarding 
considerations and discussions on Trust Policy Statement. Had community 
consultation process ongoing March through May, including a virtual community 
consultation meeting at the end of March. Report from consultation will be coming 
out next week at the Executive Committee meeting June 8. 
 Attended Howe Sound Forum April 29. One of the considerations was that elections 
are coming. There is a lot of support amongst current elected officials for the forum, 
with Howe Sound Biosphere Region Initiative Society as sponsor of the forum.  
 Sat in on part of the SCRD/Islands Trust meeting; acknowledge the work of SCRD, 
SCRD staff and Islands Trust staff for making it very productive, including work on 
planning, FireSmart, and update on high speed internet and fibre optics. 
 Working with Keats Conservancy around badly eroded and heavily used SCRD park, 
West Beach Park. Pleased SCRD senior staff knew about the work the Conservancy 
has been doing; they advised that a geotech had been there. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Fast reported that agenda item 15.1 showed highlights of Trust Council decisions 
from March 2022. Item 12.3 in this agenda includes minutes from the (October 2021) 
Islands Trust/SCRD protocol meeting. Attended recent Islands Trust Conservancy 
meeting; now seventy-seven properties are protected throughout Islands Trust area. 
Attended recent Bowen Council meeting; a conservation development policy is being 
worked on. Will attend a Denman Island community information meeting next week. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director’s Report – none 
5. DELEGATIONS – none 
6. TOWN HALL – none 
7. MINUTES 
7.1 Local Trust Committee Meeting dated March 31, 2022 - for adoption 
The following amendment to the minutes was presented for consideration: 
 Page 9, item 10.2, line 4: replace “8” with “80” (feet deep) 
By general consent the minutes of March 31, 2022 were adopted as amended. 

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7.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting – none  
7.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none  
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List dated May 17, 2022 
Received. There was a request to put the Islands Trust Policy Statement referral 
(deferred by the LTC on November 18, 2021) on the July agenda. 
9. APPLICATIONS, REFERRALS AND BYLAWS 
9.1 GM-DP-2020.2 (Swain – Lot 28 Brigade Bay, Gambier Island) 
Applicant Mr. Swain announced that he had had a change of heart and was willing to 
move ahead with a legal survey.  
Planner Baugh reviewed the staff report regarding the applicant’s request to waive the 
requirement for a current plan signed by a BC Land Surveyor for a Development Permit, 
as required in the Gambier Island Land Use Bylaw. 
The applicant discussed previous works conducted on the land to build structures, alter 
vegetation, and guide movement of water, and indicated a plan to build a house and 
greenhouse and to have the property in the family for the foreseeable future. He 
appreciated the necessity of a land survey, indicating his intention not to be within the 
natural boundary of the sea or neighbour setbacks. 
Trustee Stamford expressed appreciation that the applicant had come to the meeting 
and that he was moving forward in this way, and noted that any time anything is 
happening in the foreshore, there will be a lot of attention on it.  
GM-2022-021 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee has determined that it is reasonably 
necessary that the applicant of GM-DP-2020.2 (Swain) provide, as required by Section 
2.8(1) of the Gambier Island Land Use Bylaw No. 86, a plan signed by a B.C. Land 
Surveyor, showing the location on the lot of all existing and proposed buildings, 
structures and sewage absorption fields in relation to lot and zone boundaries, 
watercourses, wells and the sea, and in relation to other buildings on the lot.  
CARRIED 
9.2 GM-DVP-2021.8 (Atchison – 507 Shawanabe Road, Gambier Island) 
Planner Baugh reviewed the staff report on a variance request to relax the setback to 
existing buildings and structures: 
 setback from the natural boundary of a watercourse for a deck from 15 metres to 7 
metres; 
 setback from the natural boundary of a watercourse for a shed from 15 metres to 6 
metres; 
 minimum elevation above the natural boundary of the pond from 1.5 metres to 1.07 
metres; 

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 setback from the front lot line for an accessory building from 7.5 metres to 5.456 
metres;  
 setback from the front lot line for a shed from 7.5 metres to 6.544 metres; and  
 setback from the exterior side lot line for an accessory building from 4.5 metres to 
3.034 metres. 
Staff attended the site with Trustee Stamford in April and received an updated site plan 
from the applicant. Two emails supporting the application were received by staff, as 
well as two phone calls from people expressing concern about development occurring 
prior to proper permits being obtained.  
Discussion ensued and included the following topics: 
 Use of accessory building as a temporary shelter during construction of a dwelling; 
 Sheds and accessory buildings that do not require a dwelling; and 
 Long-term family compounds historical in nature. 
The applicant gave a verbal report with background information as to work done on the 
property and watercourses that were discovered. 
Comments from trustees included: 
 What has been requested is not unreasonable; everything has been put in place for 
a plan. No issue with this. 
 Would like owner to consider that the pond is very steep and dark, not necessarily 
the best environment for amphibians; give some thought more amenable to 
creatures, as friendly as possible. 
 Sometimes amphibian ponds do dry up in the summer. 
GM-2022-022 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of GM-DVP-2021.8. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Stamford noted some issues with the brochure titled Development Permit Area 
No. 3 – Riparian Areas on Gambier Island (Revised). 
GM-2022-023 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to review the brochure 
titled Recent Updates to Development Permit Area No. 3 – Riparian Areas On Gambier 
Island (Revised), and edit the wording to include specific references to artificial features 
such as ditches and dug ponds as pertinent water features.  
CARRIED 
9.3 Bylaw No. 155 – for consideration of adoption 
GM-2022-024 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 155, cited as “Gambier Island 
Local Trust Committee Meeting Procedure Bylaw, 2022”, be adopted. 
CARRIED 

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9.4 Bylaw No. 156 – for consideration of adoption 
GM-2022-025 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 156, cited as "Gambier Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2022", be adopted. 
CARRIED 
The Local Trust Committee meeting recessed for a break at 11:50 am and reconvened at 12:10 pm. 
10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
10.1 Gambier Island Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Targeted Review Project  
Island Planner McCargar discussed the memorandum with an update on the status and 
next steps of the Gambier Island OCP and LUB Targeted Review Project. Points included: 
 RFP was issued for consultant to assist with engagement portion; hope to have a 
consultant in place by end of June until end of November. 
 Consultant was hired in March to create an illustrative community map, to be used 
during the engagement process. Input was received from two meetings of the 
Working Group. 
 An additional physical map was created by the Islands Trust GIS team. 
 Staff continue to work on the discussion papers on shoreline protection, and access 
to public docks and forest ecosystem; hope to have a preliminary draft by next LTC 
meeting. 
 Squamish Nation is interested in participating in quarterly meetings in relation to 
this project.  
 Public engagement planned to commence over summer. 
Discussion ensued on the following topics: 
 LTC Meetings planned on Keats and Gambier over the summer 
 Old Growth Management Areas and old growth ecosystems/mature forest 
 Engagement with Squamish Nation 
10.2 Keats Island Shoreline Protection Project 
Island Planner McCargar provided a verbal update on the Keats Island Shoreline 
Protection Project. The Island Planner had addressed the resolution from the last LTC 
meeting to follow up on Squamish Nation response to the draft Keats Island foreshore 
protection bylaws. Messages were sent on the Squamish Connect portal. A letter to the 
Squamish Nation from Chair Fast with rationale on the draft bylaws was also sent. 
Trustee Rogers spoke on accommodating the interests of Squamish Nation with respect 
to the foreshore. Many archaeological sites have been identified along the Keats 
shoreline. He also advocated conversation on how to ensure that the community’s 
concerns and interests are understood.  A few recent specific responses from 
community members identified concerns around distance between docks, and size and 
restrictions on docks. Most feedback received by Trustee Rogers since the last 
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Discussion ensued on community consultation, accommodation of Squamish Nation 
comments, meetings over the summer, eelgrass, mooring buoys, and community 
education.  
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Climate Change Mitigation and Adaptation 
Trustee Stamford reported on her participation online in the Salish Sea Conference. A 
lecture on the heat dome and impacts on foreshore and biodiversity revealed that 
mortality of sea creatures along the shoreline where there was no forest cover was 
extensive as compared to foreshore areas with forest cover. 
Discussion ensued on sea level rise mapping, protection of the foreshore and 
biodiversity, the variability of coastal topographies, and regulatory language around the 
most current data on sea level rise. 
GM-2022-026 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to investigate data 
regarding projected sea level rise for Keats/Howe Sound area related to the Keats 
Shoreline Protection Project. 
CARRIED 
12.2 Annual Report 
GM-2022-027 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee endorse the following text for inclusion 
in the 2021-2022 Annual Report for approval by the Islands Trust Council and 
submission to the Minister of Municipal Affairs & Housing.  
The Gambier Island Local Trust Committee (GMILTC) held five regular business 
meetings, one Public Hearing, one special business meeting and two special 
meeting/Community Information Meetings in the 2021/22 fiscal year, for a total of 
nine meetings.  
Work for this period focused on advancing the Gambier Island Official Community 
Plan (OCP)/Land Use Bylaw (LUB) Project and the Keats Shoreline Project.  
The GMILTC also gave three readings to the Associated Islands and Bowyer and 
Passage Riparian Areas OCP and LUB amendment bylaws.  
From April 1, 2021 to March 31, 2022, the GMILTC received and considered 
applications for six development variance permits and five development permits.  

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During the same time period staff also reviewed 16 building permit referrals, four 
crown lease referrals, and three subdivision referrals for development proposals in 
the Gambier Island Local Trust Area.  
CARRIED 
12.3 Sunshine Coast Regional District (SCRD) Protocol Meeting Follow Up 
The May 16, 2022 agenda of the Islands Trust and Sunshine Coast Regional District Joint 
Meeting and notes from the Joint Meeting of October 18, 2021 were received. 
Discussion ensued. 
12.4 Howe Sound Principles of Cooperation Request 
Trustee Rogers introduced the document titled “Principles for Cooperation - 
Átl'ka7tsem/Howe Sound Community Forum May 2022” and provided background on 
recently proposed updates to the Principles. A sample letter of support of the revisions 
to the Principals for Cooperation was attached and local governments were requested 
to submit to the Howe Sound Biosphere Region Initiative Society (HSBRIS). 
Discussion ensued on section 8 of the Principles: Logistics (Convening, organizing and 
facilitating). Questions were raised about the meaning of “convening costs”. It was 
suggested that a clearer explanation was needed regarding the convening role 
(regarding the costs), and the relationship between organizations. 
Trustees discussed whether they were prepared to submit the sample letter to the 
HSBRIS, and considered challenges in assigning a budget for convening a Howe Sound 
Community Forum. 
GM-2022-028 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee amend the second paragraph in the 
letter to the Howe Sound Biosphere Region Initiative Society as follows: 
We acknowledge and support the May 2022 changes to the wording of the 
Principles for Cooperation that reflect the societal and logistical changes over the 
past 20 years, based on a reasonable assessment of convening costs for any 
specific meeting for which we are the host organization. 
CARRIED 
GM-2022-029 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the letter regarding Revisions to the Howe Sound Community Forum Principles 
for Cooperation May 2022 be signed by the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee 
Chair and forwarded to the Howe Sound Biosphere Region Initiative Society. 
CARRIED 
12.5 Email dated May 15, 2022 on behalf of Ian Winn, A
́
tl’ka7tsem/Howe Sound Biosphere 
Region Society regarding Best Management Practices (BMP) for Marine Docks  
The Local Trust Committee received the email of May 15, 2022 from A
́
tl’ka7tsem/Howe 
Sound Biosphere Region Society Director Ian Winn with the attachment on Best 
Management Practices for Marine Docks. 

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GM-2022-030 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to post this information on 
the project websites for the Gambier Official Community Plan project and Keats 
Foreshore Protection Project. 
CARRIED 
12.6. Meeting with Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure 
A trustee noted that the Local Trust Committee usually has had a meeting with the 
Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure (MoTI) each year, and had not met with 
MoTI yet this term.  Road issues were evident on Gambier that included: uncertainties 
about maintenance where all the maintenance is private; roads being extended but not 
part of a subdivision agreement; authority roles. 
GM-2022-031 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee review the Memorandum of 
Understanding with the Sunshine Coast Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure 
regional office and request staff to arrange for a virtual meeting to discuss road issues.  
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy  
13.1.1 Report dated March, 2022 
13.1.2 Heron Newsletter - Spring 2022 
Trustee Stamford reported that the Trust Conservancy met on Tuesday, May 24. The 
Trustee noted the following: 
 The board allocated the recent $100,000 donation to the Opportunity Fund with 
$50,000 being earmarked for Salt Spring Projects.  
 The Species at Risk Program has been extended for another three years with 
supportive funding from the federal government.  Welcomed the co-op student 
Aislyn King whose position is funded in part by the program. 
 The management plan for Sandy Beach was reviewed.  Trustee looked forward to 
seeing how the volunteer warden recommendations could be implemented and 
how that may include Salmon Rock. 
 Discussion around the ongoing issue of Fallow Deer on Mayne Island and 
recognition that it is not just a single island problem. Requesting joint advocacy with 
Trust Council to the province to resolve this complex problem. 
 Agreed to adjust the required five-year ITC plan to a three-year interim plan given 
significant staffing and project constraints with a focus on First Nation engagement 
and climate change. 
13.2 Applications Report dated May 17, 2022 
Received. 

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13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated March, 2022 
Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
13.5 First Nations Activities 
Trustee Stamford reported she had interacted with staff from Squamish Nation who had 
been inspecting the New Brighton dock. She clarified that the New Brighton dock was 
now considered an asset of their Nch’ḵay
̓
 development corporation. 
13.6 Local Trust Committee Webpage – none  
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated May 17, 2022 
Received. 
14.2 Projects List Report dated May 17, 2022 
Received. 
Trustee Rogers acknowledged involvement and communications of Shirley and Russ, 
persons on Thormanby who were no longer involved with the Thormanby Islands 
Foreshore Protection Pilot Project. 
15. INFORMATION ITEMS 
15.1 Islands Trust Council Decision Highlights – March 2022 
Received. 
16. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
16.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:00 am at Keats 
Camp, Chartroom, Keats Island, BC  
17. CLOSED MEETING – none  
18. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:00 pm. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Diane Corbett, Recorder