Islands Trust Council community information meeting, June 27, 2022

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[0:02:46] Voice 6: If anybody who ever worked with me when I was practicing law could see it, I would laugh.

[0:02:53] Voice 6: It's the ultimate laugh.

[0:02:56] Voice 6: We seem to be up and running, so I'll just turn, and Marissa, are you ready?

[0:03:01] Voice 4: And

[0:03:01] Voice 6: you're ready to move it, and the trustees are ready.

[0:03:05] Voice 6: It's 1.02.

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[0:03:15] Voice 6: it's muffles it's hard sometimes to hear uh but thank you for all the people that are that are

[0:03:22] Voice 6: in the room today who are masking and uh it's it's uh continuing to be i don't know what maine's like

[0:03:29] Voice 6: but i was on galliano and i know it's still a big issue there and all over the province so

[0:03:34] Voice 6: welcome to the june 27th 2022 regular meeting of the maine island local trust committee

[0:03:43] Voice 6: Happy to be here on Maine on an absolutely spectacular day, and we're very fortunate

[0:03:51] Voice 6: and appreciative and want to recognize that we're meeting on Maine Island, which is in

[0:03:57] Voice 6: the traditional territories of many Coast Salish peoples who have lived and worked and

[0:04:04] Voice 6: gathered and hunted and done many things in this area on Maine Island for millennia.

[0:04:11] Voice 6: and of course the Sarasota First Nation has a regular presence here and we're very grateful

[0:04:18] Voice 6: to be able to do that and I always think of it as I come across an absolutely calm flat

[0:04:24] Voice 6: sailing sea today and thinking of people that people over on the mainland you go I can canoe

[0:04:30] Voice 6: over there and they did for sure and then and vice versa so anyway I'm happy to be here this is

[0:04:40] Voice 6: is um our uh the continuation of our what i call our modified hybrid sessions uh this session is

[0:04:49] Voice 6: being recorded um and we'll be on the website i'll just say a couple of days i'm not sure what

[0:04:57] Voice 6: the time frame is now if we're getting it up i think we've got the system down that it gets up

[0:05:00] Voice 6: fairly quickly as soon as staff can get around to it uh it's also being uh live stream and i say

[0:05:06] Voice 6: live because I found out when I tried to watch it while I was in a meeting that there's about

[0:05:12] Voice 6: a 35-second delay, so it's not exactly live, but it's being streamed as we proceed, and

[0:05:22] Voice 6: so we're pleased to be able to do that.

[0:05:25] Voice 6: It's not what I call a fully hybrid meeting, but it's the best we can do, and we're doing

[0:05:32] Voice 6: We've got to keep people connected and informed, and I hope people appreciate that.

[0:05:37] Voice 6: My name is Dan Rogers.

[0:05:39] Voice 6: I'm the chair of the Maine Island Local Trust Committee, and I've been fortunate enough to be the chair for, geez, three years and nine months, eight months now.

[0:05:53] Voice 6: And it's been my pleasure to come and to do this work on Maine Island.

[0:05:58] Voice 6: I come from Alcatraz and Howe Sound.

[0:06:02] Voice 6: My connection to the islands is on Keats Island,

[0:06:05] Voice 6: which is just off Gibson's and Howe Sound, if you know it,

[0:06:08] Voice 6: and Alcatraz if you know it.

[0:06:10] Voice 6: And I'm on the executive of the Trust Council.

[0:06:16] Voice 6: And I can explain if anybody wants to ask me another time how that all works

[0:06:21] Voice 6: and how I come to be here.

[0:06:22] Voice 6: I want to you probably know your local trustees that trustee Janine Dodds and trustee David Maude

[0:06:30] Voice 6: we have Pat Todd arriving triplets who all have the same sounding last name who's the recorder

[0:06:37] Voice 6: and has been started and thank you for your work here and then we have planner Marisha Chadwick

[0:06:45] Voice 6: who's the island planner for main island and you'll be hearing from her from time to time

[0:06:50] Voice 6: as we go along.

[0:06:53] Voice 6: So thank you.

[0:06:55] Voice 6: We're going to work through our agenda.

[0:06:57] Voice 6: We do have a public hearing today

[0:06:58] Voice 6: where we're going to consider

[0:07:02] Voice 6: a community information meeting

[0:07:04] Voice 6: followed by a public hearing.

[0:07:05] Voice 6: It's the second thing on the agenda

[0:07:07] Voice 6: after the town hall meeting

[0:07:10] Voice 6: and we'll work our way through

[0:07:11] Voice 6: some proposed bylaws

[0:07:13] Voice 6: and we'll go through our agenda as well.

[0:07:16] Voice 6: Is there anything either trustees

[0:07:19] Voice 6: wants to change the agenda yes go ahead i

[0:07:22] Voice 14: just want to add under new business questions about

[0:07:24] Voice 14: foreshore just general questions okay for clarification uses

[0:07:30] Voice 4: on the question

[0:07:33] Voice 4: yeah i'll just put that in it's 13.1 all

[0:07:38] Voice 6: right anything else from either trustee then i'll take

[0:07:41] Voice 6: the agenda uh adopted as amended and we'll move through our agenda and the first item on our

[0:07:48] Voice 6: agenda uh is our town hall um and uh thank you for being here for that um we've started to call

[0:07:56] Voice 6: it in some forms our community comment period but it's uh it's traditionally known as the town hall

[0:08:01] Voice 6: and it's your opportunity to speak to your local trust committee um about issues that are on our

[0:08:07] Voice 6: agenda or that we're working on uh or that you think are relevant to the work that we do um

[0:08:12] Voice 6: And we ask only basically three things that you do is that you address the local trust committee and not each other or staff.

[0:08:21] Voice 6: If staff needs to answer a question or deal with something, we'll ask them to do that.

[0:08:26] Voice 6: We ask you also to speak appropriately and address issues and not personalities or people.

[0:08:35] Voice 6: and so that's that's um that can be a challenge for final although main island i must say is

[0:08:42] Voice 6: probably um the most respectful that i experience uh from that perspective and and obviously the

[0:08:49] Voice 6: last uh expectation is that as i said you speak appropriately that we don't that you don't use

[0:08:55] Voice 6: abusive or uh uncoordinated language and i monitor that fairly carefully and will um

[0:09:01] Voice 6: I'm not going to put, I don't, I generally don't on me put specific time limits on people speaking, but we ask you to keep it, you know, relatively short, you know, three to five minutes or something like that.

[0:09:15] Voice 6: If there's a lot of people, sometimes we put time limits on because we need to get on with our business.

[0:09:21] Voice 6: So, who would like to address the local trust committee about an item on our agenda or something that we're working on?

[0:09:28] Voice 6: Well, that was a lot of talk for nothing.

[0:09:30] Voice 6: think if nobody wants to talk

[0:09:31] Voice 6: yes ma

[0:09:32] Voice 3: 'am i just have a question sure respect to when you speak

[0:09:35] Voice 3: about certain things because i do have comments about um you know the uh with respect to the

[0:09:42] Voice 3: bylaws earlier on later on okay

[0:09:43] Voice 6: so i should have been clear two things one is if an applicant is

[0:09:47] Voice 6: here they don't have to be speaking with town hall for example i know the main island housing

[0:09:51] Voice 6: societies here and they can address us during that there is a public hearing coming up around

[0:09:56] Voice 6: around the bylaws, that's your appropriate time

[0:09:58] Voice 6: to speak about that, not now.

[0:10:00] Voice 6: You'll have

[0:10:00] Voice 6: full opportunity to speak about the by,

[0:10:02] Voice 6: and I'm sorry, I should have been clear,

[0:10:04] Voice 6: but for example, if you wanted to speak

[0:10:06] Voice 6: about the housing side or you wanted to speak

[0:10:07] Voice 6: about the flex housing project or something else,

[0:10:10] Voice 6: this would be the time to do that, yes.

[0:10:12] Voice 6: And Tim, did you want to say something?

[0:10:14] Voice 12: Yeah, it's more of a question of process as well

[0:10:17] Voice 12: and it's in relation to the housing society application.

[0:10:21] Voice 6: Ask, we'll see if we can answer.

[0:10:22] Voice 6: And

[0:10:23] Voice 12: so the water management plan that is on the table today was really good for me because it brought a lot of stuff together and allowed me to start focusing on that issue, the groundwater and the surface water.

[0:10:38] Voice 12: And one of the challenges I have in doing that is going back to the other reports that dealt with surface or groundwaters.

[0:10:47] Voice 12: there's they're not always saying the same thing and and you see that in in um the extent to which

[0:10:57] Voice 12: the ground with water is fully um saturated and at the same time you can put in a retention pond

[0:11:04] Voice 12: that will allow drainage little things like that i'm wondering is there an opportunity for the

[0:11:10] Voice 12: public to ask questions and get information from the proponent on that stuff like the

[0:11:16] Voice 12: to the information you had last time or is it just um send letters and questions to the ltc

[0:11:23] Voice 6: well um i guess what i would say to that and i'll let the the planner speak to it as well is that

[0:11:29] Voice 6: it'll be both um um i can't imagine i mean actually i shouldn't even say i can't we will

[0:11:37] Voice 6: have another community information meeting before there is any public here um and uh that will be

[0:11:43] Voice 6: and other opportunity for you to ask those specific questions the idea of a community

[0:11:49] Voice 6: information meeting of that nature is that the proponents for the application are here they're

[0:11:53] Voice 6: presenting they usually they will have their their experts they will have they'll be there

[0:11:58] Voice 6: the people who prepare reports and etc i assume more people who can answer questions so that's

[0:12:03] Voice 6: one opportunity but you there is also exactly what you suggested is you can talk to uh write

[0:12:11] Voice 6: of questions to Narissa and say this is a question I've got about x or y and if it's a technical

[0:12:18] Voice 6: question in particular we're all up on this but we probably can't necessarily answer all the

[0:12:26] Voice 6: technical questions but you can certainly contact Narissa is

[0:12:29] Voice 12: it most helpful to provide those

[0:12:30] Voice 12: questions and things before the community information meeting and so don't start

[0:12:37] Voice 12: particularly

[0:12:38] Voice 6: helpful because um you may want to speak to this i'm not exactly sure because i get

[0:12:44] Voice 6: i've got a number of applications i'm dealing with on a number of different islands and i'm

[0:12:49] Voice 6: never quite sure when william's involved and when he's not sorry mr schulman's involved he's the

[0:12:53] Voice 6: freshwater specialist for the trust and i'm not exactly sure what you're thinking is of the of

[0:12:59] Voice 6: his involvement as we go forward um i'm presuming he will be reviewing this these things but go

[0:13:06] Voice 6: ahead

[0:13:06] Voice 15: he's consistently involved in any technical questions related to groundwater and even surface

[0:13:11] Voice 15: water even though the surface water element isn't his specialty but if he's hung up on a question

[0:13:16] Voice 15: he does have he does consult others so if we get those questions ahead of time we have the ability

[0:13:22] Voice 15: to um so

[0:13:28] Voice 6: does that answer your question yeah thanks sir um and for those who don't know i

[0:13:33] Voice 6: prefer to as a gentleman by the name of william shulba who's the uh we hired i don't know three

[0:13:39] Voice 6: years ago four years ago as the freshwater specialist for the trust and while it wasn't

[0:13:45] Voice 6: really originally his job he uh his job was to do the planning and the processing and there's

[0:13:51] Voice 6: thing lots of he's become quite invaluable in reviewing applications where there's water issues

[0:13:56] Voice 6: attached to them and we often draw upon his expertise to review specifics of applications

[0:14:02] Voice 6: and the reports that are done so that we have another set of eyes and it's not just the special

[0:14:07] Voice 6: suppliers that are the experts hired by the um anybody else wish to speak to the truck yes go

[0:14:14] Voice 6: answer. And I'm sorry, I don't know

[0:14:16] Voice 6: you. My name is

[0:14:18] Voice 6: Don

[0:14:18] Voice 12: Eadie. I'm a resident of

[0:14:20] Voice 12: Maine Isle. Nice to

[0:14:21] Voice 12: meet you in a personal capacity.

[0:14:23] Voice 12: I think this is

[0:14:24] Voice 12: the first time I've attended a local trust committee.

[0:14:27] I've taken the time to come

[0:14:28] here today to express my

[0:14:31] concern and disappointment

[0:14:32] at the pace with which the

[0:14:35] affordable housing project has

[0:14:36] been formed through this committee.

[0:14:38] In my view, it has taken

[0:14:42] an excessive length of time

[0:14:44] and i'm just stating that in the context of here we are i won't say how long

[0:14:49] Voice 12: later and with

[0:14:50] Voice 12: municipal elections coming up so that's my first point my second point that you might find of

[0:14:56] Voice 12: interest is that today a survey was published of 2000 adults in british columbia ahead of

[0:15:03] Voice 12: municipal elections and the survey showed two things of interest and maybe more first of all

[0:15:09] Voice 12: Well, the number one issue for British Columbians was housing and homelessness.

[0:15:14] Double the number of people expressed that versus health care, for example.

[0:15:19] Voice 12: The second point that I picked out of that is that in the poll, many of those polls supported additional actions by municipal governments.

[0:15:32] And specifically,

[0:15:34] Voice 12: nearly three quarters of those surveyed backed, quote, streamlining municipal permitting and rezoning processes to fast-track development of rental housing, with a focus on affordable rents.

[0:15:48] Voice 12: So I don't want to take any more of your time. I'd just like to leave that with you. This is what the people of British Columbia are saying. We've got an election coming up. The committee has been too slow, in my view, and some others on the island, in moving this project forward. Thank you.

[0:16:03] Voice 6: Thanks very much, Mr. E. Thanks for joining us. Please come more often.

[0:16:07] Voice 6: I always enjoy it when people come. Anybody else wish to speak to us? Yes.

[0:16:12] Voice 6: Hi.

[0:16:13] Voice 4: So I'm Kat Fernandes. I'm also an Island resident. I've been here

[0:16:16] Voice 16: for nearly a decade now.

[0:16:18] Voice 16: And I've been deeply involved in the workforce of Main Island.

[0:16:24] Voice 16: I'm here

[0:16:25] Voice 7: also in the capacity of being a very enthusiastic supporter

[0:16:28] Voice 4: of the affordable housing initiative.

[0:16:29] Voice 4: and i'm very excited about the flexible housing opportunities that are arising this is

[0:16:36] Voice 5: monumental

[0:16:37] Voice 4: and necessary um but i i also want to say i need to get this going as fast as possible

[0:16:45] Voice 4: in this last week alone i know of three

[0:16:47] Voice 16: very essential workers on this island who have all

[0:16:50] Voice 4: lost their homes and have nowhere to go and we are gonna we've already lost very valuable members

[0:16:58] Voice 4: of this community due to lack of housing on for years this has been happening but it is

[0:17:04] Voice 4: coming to a crisis that i didn't imagine i would ever person thank

[0:17:09] Voice 1: you all appreciate that

[0:17:13] Voice 6: uh anybody else okay uh well thank you very much um so that's the i'll close down all i

[0:17:22] Voice 6: remind you that there is a second opportunity at the end of the meeting if anybody wishes to speak

[0:17:28] Voice 6: that's a bit of a unique thing that's only galeano main i think

[0:17:32] Voice 6: um but anyway we have a second uh

[0:17:34] Voice 6: you can comment on uh what you may have heard during the course of the meeting um so the next

[0:17:41] Voice 6: item we have on our agenda is items uh four and five uh and that is the a community information

[0:17:49] Voice 6: meeting and followed by a public hearing and this is this is we're putting these back together uh

[0:17:56] Voice 6: Because of the nature of the application, we felt that it was appropriate to do them together.

[0:18:00] Voice 6: So what's going to occur is that Planner Chadwick is going to make a presentation related to the bylaws 186 and 187.

[0:18:11] Voice 6: And then you'll have an opportunity, and during that, you can ask questions about the proposed bylaws, the amendments to bylaws.

[0:18:21] Voice 6: and then we will adjourn that community information meeting and we will have a public

[0:18:25] Voice 6: hearing where you can make your comments known i.e your point of view related to those proposed

[0:18:30] Voice 6: bylaws so i hope that's clear uh so over to narissa uh and uh you can introduce the bylaws and

[0:18:38] Voice 6: and uh and then we can ask questions over here sure

[0:18:43] Voice 15: yeah so we've got um

[0:18:45] Voice 15: By-law number 186 and 187. By-law number 186 is an OCP amendment and that one is doing two things. One is removing the Parks Master Plan, which was a request by the Main Island Parks Commission.

[0:19:05] Voice 15: The other thing that that does is it changes the language that you're making for 37 Perthville Road to conform with the zoning change that's proposed and that's essentially the support of, well, it's basically, that's the, I guess, the future thrift store.

[0:19:26] Voice 15: so it's just to confirm that over that that would change they won't have to apply for another

[0:19:33] Voice 15: temporary use permit it's currently being operated

[0:19:35] Voice 15: um there are um a number of other rezoning there is um the uh the brewery which is currently under

[0:19:47] Voice 15: temporary use permit it's basically again um just change that so that they won't have to

[0:19:58] Voice 15: There is a road that is used for mechanics or like it was always intended that that used to be indoors.

[0:20:15] Voice 15: So it's just a change to support what the original.

[0:20:19] Voice 15: There is a rezoning for 797 Beachwood Drive, so that is a property that sort of fell under this

[0:20:27] Voice 15: a neutral circumstance where the density that was currently existing didn't match what was

[0:20:35] Voice 15: originally intended for that property as a result of the earlier subjugation in the 80s.

[0:20:41] Voice 15: So that, that one is also. So the intention there is to is to zone it to what would have been the allowable density.

[0:20:52] Voice 15: So, that was also a discussion, and I guess we would have that around the options related to that property.

[0:21:03] Voice 15: And then the other one is the other reason would be up. I'm going to feel like that.

[0:21:09] Voice 15: Basically, to create a site specific zone for that part and specify use, use being the

[0:21:18] Voice 15: intention there being that it is more of a passive use of the park.

[0:21:24] Voice 15: And then there is a, the by-law that includes the need to enter patios, and allow patios

[0:21:36] Voice 15: and setbacks, and then there's some limits placed on election signs from allowing essentially

[0:21:43] Voice 15: and not allowing more than one election sign on the property.

[0:21:46] Voice 15: um and that's sort of the extent that's sort of summary of what's happening um in the in the

[0:21:52] Voice 15: silos and

[0:21:55] Voice 6: and i'll just add before i ask if there's questions about any of this um is that

[0:21:59] Voice 6: there are at least two items in that group that where there may be a slight change in the

[0:22:06] Voice 6: definitions or the uh when i get to the discussion a little bit later but nothing of any

[0:22:11] Voice 6: a large bank to one is in relation to that property the address of which i always forget

[0:22:17] Voice 6: which is the one with three houses

[0:22:19] Voice 4: and

[0:22:20] Voice 6: the other is in relation to the the uh the patios issue

[0:22:25] Voice 6: i think those are the two i mean

[0:22:27] Voice 4: yeah so

[0:22:28] Voice 6: those those are uh and if you have read the the planners

[0:22:34] Voice 6: uh report that's in the that's in the pockets later at page uh

[0:22:42] Voice 6: 47 you'll see the discussion related to those various issues so what i'm going to do now is

[0:22:48] Voice 6: ask if there's um because this is a community information meeting as to how if there's any

[0:22:54] Voice 6: questions about for clarifications let's just let me hold on a minute

[0:23:09] Voice 1: questions okay

[0:23:11] Voice 6: so are

[0:23:13] Voice 6: there any

[0:23:13] Voice 6: questions i just want to make sure they're finished okay okay any questions for

[0:23:23] Voice 6: the planner or trustees uh the public hearing will open as soon as we're finished the community

[0:23:28] Voice 6: information meeting any questions related to the the proposed uh changes to the bylaws or

[0:23:34] Voice 6: what i've proposed the application yeah go ahead

[0:23:40] Voice 12: it's just in relation to the beachwood property

[0:23:44] Voice 12: and i saw it in the background material that the idea was that you're considering allowing

[0:23:52] Voice 12: allowing three houses in the cottage in return for a potential amenity what was that yeah maybe

[0:24:00] Voice 12: so that

[0:24:02] Voice 14: property well first off the covenant that was on there was wrong so we have to get rid of

[0:24:07] Voice 14: that covenant the property is entitled to two densities two houses and two cottages the owner

[0:24:12] Voice 14: has asked if we would consider three houses in one cottage because he has his two brothers and

[0:24:18] Voice 14: parents and because it's 96 acres basically we felt that that was quite reasonable sometime in

[0:24:26] Voice 14: the future the owners of that property 96 acres will probably come to the community with an

[0:24:31] Voice 14: amenity rezoning proposal but this is not part of it so this is just us saying you know it's

[0:24:37] Voice 14: and i asked for a limitation on the size which is in in the report there because we were kind of

[0:24:44] Voice 14: upscaling because cottages are limited to a thousand and one square feet so this would be

[0:24:50] Voice 14: opening that door up a bit wider okay any

[0:24:53] Voice 6: other questions yes go ahead i

[0:24:56] Voice 3: don't know if this is the

[0:24:56] Voice 3: right time to ask this question if it's a

[0:24:59] Voice 6: question you should ask it now

[0:25:00] Voice 3: um i know you should right

[0:25:03] Voice 3: and i just wanted to get clarification with respect to um the parcel on the water side of

[0:25:10] Voice 3: that so

[0:25:11] Voice 14: it's all one parcel okay so one

[0:25:13] Voice 14: parcel 96 acres okay

[0:25:17] Voice 3: so if the um zoning bylaws are approved

[0:25:21] Voice 3: um does that mean that um that water parcel

[0:25:28] Voice 3: can be subdivided

[0:25:29] Voice 14: no no no no no

[0:25:30] Voice 14: they would have to

[0:25:31] Voice 14: apply to do a subdivision but marissa

[0:25:34] Voice 15: can explain that better than me so the property currently is

[0:25:37] Voice 15: allowed to be subdivided into two

[0:25:39] Voice 14: it is allowed

[0:25:39] Voice 15: okay yeah so one yeah two parcels and and and so

[0:25:43] Voice 15: um yeah with the density being one one dwelling one footage per parcel so the rezoning is allowing

[0:25:50] Voice 15: that density um and so it doesn't mean to say that they can't divide into two uh parcels at some

[0:25:58] Voice 15: point in the future but so what

[0:26:00] Voice 15: you're really what you're saying is you're denying the request for

[0:26:03] Voice 3: three no

[0:26:04] Voice 14: we're allowing the request for three houses and one cottage their zoning would allow

[0:26:09] Voice 14: two houses and two cottages and they

[0:26:12] Voice 14: wanted to have three houses because the thousands

[0:26:15] Voice 14: square feet wasn't going to be large enough because they have some kind of mobile they're

[0:26:18] Voice 14: going to bring in so

[0:26:19] Voice 14: because of the size of the property it seems reasonable and because

[0:26:23] Voice 14: there is a potential in the future maybe to get some significant amenities on that

[0:26:30] Voice 14: so

[0:26:30] Voice 6: maybe this is the one we got the letter the one yeah but this is the one we got the letter

[0:26:36] Voice 6: from the individual who bought it and said asking some

[0:26:40] Voice 6: point in the future we'd like to have three

[0:26:42] Voice 6: cottages and three houses no

[0:26:43] Voice 14: we may sometime in the future we would like maybe consider

[0:26:47] Voice 14: something you're

[0:26:48] Voice 6: right and in which case they'd be happy to talk to us

[0:26:50] Voice 6: be in the

[0:26:51] Voice 6: future yes uh yeah

[0:26:54] Voice 13: um when it comes to the suggestion that that property can be

[0:26:58] Voice 13: subdivided um does that mean that the three houses and one cottage could be on one piece

[0:27:07] Voice 13: of that subdivision another piece could be empty like an

[0:27:12] Voice 13: undeveloped lot i i think no i don't think

[0:27:18] Voice 15: so yeah i

[0:27:18] Voice 15: think that well i mean i guess that that would influence the density i mean in that case

[0:27:24] Voice 15: i i mean i think it could be but you wouldn't be able to necessarily build on the other piece

[0:27:30] Voice 15: unless uh you know that there was because what we're doing right now is just uh is sort of

[0:27:37] Voice 15: confirming the density on that larger on

[0:27:39] Voice 13: the larger case but if uh one of those uh four

[0:27:43] Voice 13: four buildings was put on that chunk of water then it would conceivably be easier to

[0:27:52] Voice 13: subdivide it and consider the density as being achieved on both pieces i i don't

[0:27:59] Voice 14: think so i

[0:27:59] Voice 14: think you're

[0:28:00] Voice 13: yeah you can only have

[0:28:02] Voice 14: the four four dwellings period so when you go

[0:28:05] Voice 14: to subdivide you'd

[0:28:06] Voice 14: have to make sure your subdivision line had two on one side and two on the other side wherever it

[0:28:11] Voice 14: was oh yeah

[0:28:12] Voice 13: it's not going to give anybody three on one no

[0:28:14] Voice 13: i don't think so

[0:28:15] Voice 14: i don't think so i

[0:28:16] Voice 14: think you'd have to come back and get a reason to do that and don't forget that waterfront is

[0:28:21] Voice 14: significant in size so it could actually be cut in half and across i would think but that would

[0:28:27] Voice 14: be up too high

[0:28:28] Voice 15: it could be up to minister transport i guess i mean

[0:28:31] Voice 15: as it sounds like

[0:28:32] Voice 15: the full lot can only be subdivided into one right yeah

[0:28:36] Voice 15: and uh and and and the allowable

[0:28:39] Voice 15: as it will be whatever we whatever is identified now and the subdivision process would have to

[0:28:44] Voice 15: identify what would you know what would happen on each side um i know that the property owners

[0:28:52] Voice 15: intentions are are to have one uh one dwelling one smallish dwelling um on the property and then

[0:29:01] Voice 15: the others would be larger properties so

[0:29:06] Voice 13: then then what sharon was asking about whether that

[0:29:09] Voice 13: waterfront piece could be sliced off would be more of an issue because it has to come

[0:29:16] Voice 13: the subdivision would have to come with two wells well that's what i

[0:29:21] Voice 15: heard that's what i heard yes

[0:29:22] Voice 15: so if they were if they were

[0:29:25] Voice 13: already if all four buildings were there before anybody came along to

[0:29:29] Voice 13: subdivide yes

[0:29:31] Voice 15: so I think what the question you're asking is would the the density on that land as a

[0:29:38] Voice 15: whole increase if it was subdivided yeah and at this point the answer would be no but the process

[0:29:47] Voice 15: could you know facilitate potentially but that would have to go like an additional density but

[0:29:53] Voice 15: that would have to go through um that would have to go through that specific uh there would have

[0:29:58] Voice 15: You don't have to do it.

[0:29:59] Voice 15: You don't need it.

[0:30:00] Voice 15: in fact in order for that to happen to

[0:30:03] Voice 6: have more density yeah

[0:30:05] Voice 14: because theoretically if you had four

[0:30:07] Voice 14: dwellings on the waterfront property and wanted to subdivide it off from the farm then the farm

[0:30:11] Voice 14: would have no entitlement to any dwellings

[0:30:14] Voice 4: additional yeah yeah so

[0:30:16] Voice 14: i mean you could you

[0:30:17] Voice 14: could cut the waterfront piece off have four houses there but there'd be no density allowed

[0:30:21] Voice 14: on the farm part so you're not

[0:30:24] Voice 14: they're not gaining anything right

[0:30:25] Voice 13: the bottom line is

[0:30:26] Voice 14: four is four

[0:30:29] Voice 13: that's why i was trying to

[0:30:31] Voice 13: get it clear

[0:30:32] Voice 14: so yeah you

[0:30:33] Voice 13: know if one house was on the waterfront piece

[0:30:35] Voice 13: they wanted to slice that off and the other three were on the farm that could potentially

[0:30:42] Voice 13: be an issue with density because

[0:30:50] It's site specific within the

[0:30:52] Voice 15: rural zone, the rural zone has a lot of specific regulations

[0:30:59] Voice 15: around what density is allowed on each plot, so we're identifying that density now, if

[0:31:06] Voice 15: they wanted to subdivide and have more density that's currently allowed on one side of them,

[0:31:12] Voice 15: one side of it and to increase the collective then it would have to be using that

[0:31:22] Voice 6: clear okay

[0:31:23] Voice 13: it's kind of mucky it

[0:31:25] Voice 6: is kind of mucky i think the answer is at the end of the day that on that

[0:31:29] Voice 6: 96 acres that will right now zoning would ever allow whether it's subdivide or not for the four

[0:31:34] Voice 6: properties right how that looks at the end of the day whether one ends up on one lot and three on

[0:31:39] Voice 6: the other that theoretically i think could occur right um

[0:31:43] Voice 3: yeah so i think my first my question is

[0:31:46] Voice 3: just was to clarify whether or not that um that part of the water could actually down the road

[0:31:52] Voice 3: be subdivided and i'm hearing that you say it could be subdivided off yes in fact the previous

[0:31:57] Voice 15: owner had an application to do exactly that in 2020 um yeah

[0:32:03] Voice 4: thank you

[0:32:06] Voice 12: go ahead any subdivision

[0:32:09] Voice 12: that's what that amenity zoning thing would be looked at unless they wanted

[0:32:14] Voice 6: to increase density

[0:32:15] Voice 6: you would only

[0:32:16] Voice 14: get an amenities only if you increase density so and they have indicated

[0:32:21] Voice 14: that they may be interested in the future to do something like that but that's a long ways down

[0:32:26] Voice 14: the road it's mostly to do with the number of family members they have it's a family farm

[0:32:31] Voice 14: property um so there's okay

[0:32:37] Voice 6: uh thanks for that and thanks for those great questions any more

[0:32:41] Voice 6: more questions before we go to the actual public here echo it's my

[0:32:46] Voice 11: name is doug everly i'm a new

[0:32:49] Voice 11: resident of main island welcome um i'm curious as part of my education but uh seems there's three

[0:32:57] Voice 11: of the issues that were brought up here are in the community core and but is there a deep

[0:33:06] Voice 11: comprehensive kind of community island core development strategy that that's guiding these

[0:33:13] Voice 11: decisions or is this i'm

[0:33:15] Voice 6: going to turn that because when i joined the the we were just

[0:33:18] Voice 6: finishing up the uh the community core rezoning project right so i'll let i'll let trustee dodds

[0:33:25] Voice 6: who has the most experience okay

[0:33:26] Voice 14: so so what we do have is is a commercial a plan like where our

[0:33:31] Voice 14: commercial development will occur within the miners bay core so that's

[0:33:34] Voice 14: really the only real

[0:33:36] Voice 14: thing we've had different you know reports different looks at you know what minor space

[0:33:41] Voice 14: should be how big the area should be and that's probably what you're looking at right so it says

[0:33:45] Voice 14: where commercial development can occur but that being said now when we get to the flex housing

[0:33:50] Voice 14: the flex housing is primarily along fern hill road and the majority of it is within what i

[0:33:56] Voice 14: consider the miners bay core school to the water they are actually fern hill center to the water

[0:34:01] Voice 14: so without having a document that says all of these things should be in this area we really

[0:34:07] Voice 14: already have that by fact by the way that the development historically took place and through

[0:34:13] Voice 14: the commercial zoning that we have in place i

[0:34:17] Voice 11: think the key word is comprehensive is is there

[0:34:21] Voice 11: there a water strategy is there a parking strategy oh

[0:34:24] Voice 14: well

[0:34:25] Voice 11: there's just kind of yeah

[0:34:27] Voice 14: yeah it's all in

[0:34:28] Voice 14: the ocp so there is you know a lot of especially the requirements for expanding commercial area

[0:34:33] Voice 14: so well it's in this area that you can apply for rezoning for commercial it's also specified

[0:34:39] Voice 14: all of those services as to what would have to be provided because parking we've done parking

[0:34:45] Voice 14: actually did a parking study a little while ago i can't remember where that document is

[0:34:50] Voice 14: is and the interesting thing is that it was actually the farmer's market and they discovered

[0:34:55] Voice 14: that most of the cars parked belong to people working at the market but they actually counted

[0:35:00] Voice 14: out there's a lot of parking spaces in this area but if anybody we have there's actually requirement

[0:35:06] Voice 14: for parking for commercial space there's actually a formula so any new parking any new commercial

[0:35:12] Voice 14: would have to have x number of spaces we don't have a plan that says we need a municipal parking lot

[0:35:18] Voice 14: because we're not a municipality so we don't have anything like that so

[0:35:22] Voice 14: dave can probably fill in he was on the committee way back yeah

[0:35:26] Trustee Maude: but i think the important thing is

[0:35:29] Trustee Maude: we have the official community plan which covers the whole island

[0:35:31] Voice 4: and

[0:35:32] Trustee Maude: it's it's fairly specific

[0:35:35] Trustee Maude: so it's that's that's our guiding document um and certainly the commercial court we we did drill

[0:35:42] Trustee Maude: drilled down and can get pretty intense as to who, what, where, when, and how.

[0:35:48] Trustee Maude: So it's not the wild west.

[0:35:52] Trustee Maude: It's somebody has an idea, talk to the rest of them,

[0:35:56] Trustee Maude: and she'll explain there's a lot of rules.

[0:35:58] Trustee Maude: And the simple thing is, like, we were just talking about subdivision.

[0:36:03] Trustee Maude: It's not easy.

[0:36:04] Trustee Maude: It's a lot of time and a lot of expense.

[0:36:06] Trustee Maude: Like, I personally, I've been trying to do one for five years,

[0:36:09] Trustee Maude: years and I'm no closer five years down the road when I was five years ago it's it's so it's none

[0:36:16] Trustee Maude: of this sort of just happens it's there's a lot of bureaucracy there's a lot of rules there's a

[0:36:21] Trustee Maude: lot of regulations and and you know you should have a lot of patience and a little bit of deep

[0:36:28] Trustee Maude: pockets in order to try to do anything on the island for sure and

[0:36:31] Voice 14: I also want to you know note

[0:36:33] Voice 14: that I mean things like the egg hauler I've been here over 100 years so obviously there's no parking

[0:36:38] Voice 14: for the egg call the thrift shop now as part of this new project is going to have some parking

[0:36:43] Voice 14: handicap more so you know we certainly are always going to be behind in parking but when big events

[0:36:49] Voice 14: occur here sometimes it's it's people have to be thinking about where where they want to leave

[0:36:53] Voice 14: their vehicles and as when the fall fair happens we get to use the farm up top usually for parking

[0:36:59] Voice 14: so it's a recognition that there are times when parking can be really tough down here because the

[0:37:05] Voice 14: roads are narrow as they were for the say the farmer's market is a is a prime a prime issue

[0:37:10] Voice 14: in terms of parking the crowds but

[0:37:13] Voice 11: there isn't a comprehensive plan for the core of main island

[0:37:17] Voice 11: i

[0:37:17] Voice 14: think there is i think our commercial plan shows it so in

[0:37:21] Voice 6: the official in the official

[0:37:22] Voice 14: community plan so yeah send me an email and i'll cut and paste and send it to you because

[0:37:27] Voice 14: no i think that does state a lot of well and the basic language of the ocp has always been

[0:37:32] Voice 14: about minor space as kind of the core developed area and

[0:37:36] Voice 6: let me just say that this particular

[0:37:38] Voice 6: project is actually the second time we've done this this term is is that uh this is not intended

[0:37:44] Voice 6: to be a full full scale review of the ocp it was intended to be identifying a few issues that were

[0:37:51] Voice 6: troublesome and that had arisen in the last couple of years and try and remedy those which is why

[0:37:56] Voice 6: it's called the minor official community

[0:37:58] Voice 6: plan amendment um so so that wasn't the intention of

[0:38:03] Voice 6: this and i if you haven't read the official community plan um uh it's there all 78 pages

[0:38:10] Voice 6: and it contains some of what you're talking about but i don't know what maybe you are asking about

[0:38:16] Voice 6: something different and maybe that's what it is um any other sorry i don't want to cut you off

[0:38:21] Voice 6: if you had another

[0:38:22] Voice 11: question any

[0:38:23] Voice 6: other questions that i'm going to suggest unless there's something

[0:38:28] Voice 6: else uh planner chadwick that we can close the community information meeting um and so that's

[0:38:34] Voice 6: we'll close the community information meeting and uh now i'm going to the next item on the agenda is

[0:38:41] Voice 6: about this same topic as we have with the public hearing and i you'll have to excuse me for a

[0:38:47] Voice 6: moment but i have a fairly um uh regulated script that i have to read as part of this because this

[0:38:55] Voice 6: is a legal bylaw adoption well we're not the adoption but the public hearing script is fairly

[0:39:00] Voice 6: prescriptive so i'm going to uh read some of that out right now so uh for those watching as well uh

[0:39:07] Voice 6: the public hearing for the proposed uh bylaws 186 187 is now open i want to welcome everyone to

[0:39:14] Voice 6: attendance and knowledge we're meeting in the traditional territory of the coast salish

[0:39:18] Voice 6: uh first nations i'll skip some of the introductions because we've already done that

[0:39:24] Voice 6: this public hearing is being convened pursuant to section 465 of the local government act

[0:39:30] Voice 6: in order to consider the following proposed bylaws proposed bylaw number 186

[0:39:35] Voice 6: cited as the main island official community plan uh bylaw 144 2007 amendment number 2021

[0:39:43] Voice 6: 21 on proposed bylaw number 187 cited as the main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment

[0:39:53] Voice 6: number three 2021 all persons who believe that their interests uh are affected by the proposed

[0:39:59] Voice 6: bylaws will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submissions

[0:40:04] Voice 6: respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaw those wishing to speak should commence

[0:40:10] Voice 6: their presentation by clearly stating their names and addresses members of the local trust committee

[0:40:16] Voice 6: may if they wish ask questions of you following your presentation however the main function of

[0:40:21] Voice 6: the local trust committee members is to listen to the views of the public it is not the function of

[0:40:27] Voice 6: the committee members to debate the merits of proposed bylaws with individual citizens

[0:40:32] Voice 6: everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard and none should feel discouraged from

[0:40:37] Voice 6: presenting his or her views by consider in considering the proposed bylaws the local

[0:40:43] Voice 6: trust committee has received documents which may influence his decisions those documents

[0:40:48] Voice 6: are available for review during this hearing on our website um and are they here as well

[0:40:56] Voice 15: they're not here

[0:40:57] Voice 15: so

[0:40:58] Voice 6: they're available on our website any person who wishes to present a written submission to

[0:41:05] Voice 6: local trust committee may do so and all written submissions must be received by the local trust

[0:41:09] Voice 6: committee before the close of the hearing please send any electronic written submissions to myself

[0:41:16] Voice 6: at d rogers at islandstrust.bc.ca your only opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaws

[0:41:25] Voice 6: is during this hearing as members of the local trust committee may not receive further submissions

[0:41:30] Voice 6: after the close of the hearing.

[0:41:32] Voice 6: After this public hearing has concluded,

[0:41:34] Voice 6: the local trust committee may, without further notice,

[0:41:38] Voice 6: make whatever decision it deems proper

[0:41:39] Voice 6: with respect to the bylaws

[0:41:41] Voice 6: that are the subject of the public hearing.

[0:41:45] Voice 6: Island Planner Nurse Chagik will now summarize

[0:41:47] Voice 6: the public hearing notice, the key points of the bylaw,

[0:41:51] Voice 6: and the referral agency responses.

[0:41:55] Voice 6: Over to you, Miss.

[0:41:56] Voice 15: Okay, so a copy of the notice for the by-law was advertised in the 52nd Division of the Goodwood on June 15th and June 22nd.

[0:42:07] Voice 15: All notification requirements under the Local Government Act have been completed.

[0:42:11] Voice 15: There's a copy of the complete public hearing binder available on the Islands Trust website.

[0:42:20] Voice 15: site. The purpose of the proposed bylaw adopted is to

[0:42:25] Voice 15: amend the main plan by removing the parks master plan as

[0:42:29] Voice 15: requested by the main parks and Recreation Commission and

[0:42:33] Voice 15: changing the land designation on 437 for the road for the road

[0:42:39] Voice 15: form of the zoning change proposed in bylaw number

[0:42:44] Voice 15: The purpose of the proposed by-law 187 is to amend the Main Island land use by-law that

[0:42:55] Voice 15: supports land use currently under a temporary use permit, and to address the different concerns

[0:42:59] Voice 15: and community interests.

[0:43:01] Voice 15: Amendments to zoning are proposed for the following properties 498 Hornwood Road, 437

[0:43:08] Voice 15: 797 Furnhill Road, 594 Furnhill Road, 797 Beasley Drive, and Emma and Judith's Steps were proposed.

[0:43:19] Voice 15: Bylaw number 187 also solutions to the issues, patio, line, patio, and setbacks, and places limits on collection, sign, and posting.

[0:43:27] Voice 15: The proposed by-law was referred to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs, the Maine Island Partners

[0:43:33] Voice 15: in Recreation Commission, Papua New Zealand District, Galliano, Saturna, Salt Spring, North

[0:43:39] Voice 15: and South Carolina, and also referred to all of the relevant nations, as well as some of

[0:43:53] Voice 15: as of

[0:43:53] Voice 4: today there have been no submissions okay

[0:44:00] Voice 6: so thank you so um as i said submissions can be

[0:44:04] Voice 6: made anytime during until the close of the hearing if any submissions are received again my email is

[0:44:10] Voice 6: d rogers at islandstrust.bc.ca we will pause to close to ensure the lctc has time to review those

[0:44:19] Voice 6: submissions i invite members of the public who wish to speak to look to it says line up um i'm

[0:44:25] Voice 6: not going to ask you to line up put your hand up please state your name prior to making comments

[0:44:29] Voice 6: after your presentation the lcc the trustees may ask you questions but they're primarily here to

[0:44:35] Voice 6: listen and will not debate the issues with you i'll call three times for speaking before closing

[0:44:40] Voice 6: the hearing at

[0:44:40] Voice 6: which point no further

[0:44:41] Voice 6: written oral submissions can be made so does anybody wish to

[0:44:45] Voice 6: speak to the local trust committee to address these issues nobody's coming late just now i'll

[0:44:59] Voice 6: just say i'll ask a second time does anybody wish to speak to the local trust committee and address

[0:45:04] Voice 6: the bylaws of the public yes go ahead mr man i

[0:45:09] Voice 12: think allowing for buildings on the waterfront it

[0:45:14] Voice 12: might open that parcel up to future subdivision that isn't in the interests of the neighbors

[0:45:26] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:45:28] Voice 6: Does anybody else wish to speak to the local trust to address this?

[0:45:33] Voice 6: I'll ask a third time.

[0:45:35] Voice 6: Does anybody wish to address the local trust committee in this public here?

[0:45:43] Voice 6: If not, and I have received no written submissions by email from anybody that may be watching electronically,

[0:45:52] Voice 6: just checking my email, there's nothing.

[0:45:55] Voice 6: I think I'm going to proceed to close the public hearing.

[0:46:01] Voice 6: Please note that after the public hearing closes,

[0:46:04] Voice 6: the local trust committee will no longer be able

[0:46:05] Voice 6: to see public submissions prior to making submissions.

[0:46:09] Voice 6: I'll just ask you a last time,

[0:46:11] Voice 6: does anybody wish to make any comments

[0:46:14] Voice 6: to the local trust committee?

[0:46:15] Voice 6: If not, I'll close the public hearing.

[0:46:23] Voice 6: And please be advised that we are now

[0:46:25] Voice 6: Now in the post public hearing stage

[0:46:28] Voice 6: of the legislative review of proposed bylaws,

[0:46:31] Voice 6: 186 and 187, the trust committee

[0:46:34] Voice 6: can now no longer receive information

[0:46:37] Voice 6: pertaining to the proposed bylaws.

[0:46:40] Voice 6: However, you can still submit any outstanding questions

[0:46:42] Voice 6: and comments directly to the planner.

[0:46:45] Voice 6: So if you have any outstanding comments,

[0:46:47] Voice 6: because depending on what we do later in the meeting,

[0:46:50] Voice 6: they won't be adopted for a few months.

[0:46:52] Voice 6: In any case, you can always ask Hunter Chadwick.

[0:46:55] Voice 6: The LTC may give further readings to the bylaw or defeat the bylaw

[0:46:59] Voice 6: or make minor amendments that do not affect the use of density

[0:47:01] Voice 6: without further notice of it.

[0:47:04] Voice 6: With that, I'll close the hearing.

[0:47:06] Voice 6: Thank you very much for your questions.

[0:47:09] Voice 6: We're going to go back now to the actual agenda.

[0:47:12] Voice 6: I'd like to give you a second while I find my copy of the agenda.

[0:47:18] Voice 6: and we're on page four of the agenda which is the minutes of the meeting of may the 30th

[0:47:28] Voice 6: and i'm going to turn it to trustees and are there any comments related to

[0:47:33] Voice 6: um the minutes from the last meeting and i had one

[0:47:42] Voice 6: um of course i haven't highlighted and then didn't bring the stick that i had

[0:47:47] Voice 6: um and so i have to find it uh

[0:47:54] Voice 4: let's

[0:48:31] Voice 14: just leave it for the next week well

[0:48:33] Voice 6: as i said i i left

[0:48:36] Voice 6: with my stick but it's um and i where i had the document it had to do with some commentary around

[0:48:42] Voice 6: a lot too uh and the maid island housing can't

[0:48:53] Voice 1: seem to find the actual on it that was made that

[0:48:56] Voice 1: i

[0:48:56] Voice 6: as i would call it

[0:48:58] Voice 9: um

[0:48:59] Trustee Maude: sort of problem with adopting the minutes next time

[0:49:01] Voice 1: no

[0:49:02] Voice 6: no um oh i

[0:49:10] Voice 6: know what it is sorry it's um it's the it's the middle of the page you see the four bullets sorry

[0:49:16] Voice 6: page seven you see the four bullets the the second set of bullets and then there's two paragraphs

[0:49:23] Voice 6: right oh and it says trustees discussed interest in there being an alternative community amenity

[0:49:28] Voice 6: attached to lot three and it says if lot two is not built on but i think what it should say

[0:49:34] Voice 6: is if the affordable housing project you're not you're correct yeah yeah

[0:49:39] Voice 6: you see right now

[0:49:40] Voice 5: it's the

[0:49:43] Voice 6: second dash after the smaller four bullets and it says

[0:49:47] Voice 6: interest

[0:49:48] Voice 5: in

[0:49:50] Voice 6: there being an alternative community amenity attached to lot three

[0:49:54] Voice 6: and it currently says if lot two is not built then it should say if the housing project okay

[0:50:04] Voice 6: correct thanks that's what that that's the more active reflection of our course of our

[0:50:09] Voice 6: conversation so with that uh if we can make that amendment by consent we'll adopt the minutes as a

[0:50:14] Voice 6: this um so that takes us to uh there are no no resolutions about meeting there's no

[0:50:24] Voice 6: for the c minutes we have

[0:50:27] Voice 6: a uh follow-up action list which is on page 13 for those following along

[0:50:32] Voice 6: um and narissa did you have anything you wanted to bring to our attention or

[0:50:36] Voice 6: and

[0:50:37] Voice 7: do

[0:50:39] Voice 6: any of the trustees have questions regarding the follow-up action

[0:50:41] Voice 6: nothing um i should just say uh i was going to do this in my report um uh but i'll do it now

[0:50:50] Voice 6: is that i of course did write to the conservancy related to the fallow deer issue and almost

[0:50:56] Voice 6: immediately got a response back um but it was not a letter it was an email response from the director

[0:51:03] Voice 6: of um of the island's trust conservancy indicating every willingness to work with

[0:51:10] Voice 6: you ever on the island and i know she's going to touch with you trust me god so just to let

[0:51:16] Voice 6: you know about how to occur uh so the next item on the agenda is um is the main island housing

[0:51:25] Voice 6: society item because there's no correspondence uh per se uh but i just want to acknowledge in

[0:51:30] Voice 6: the main island housing society i do acknowledge that we did get correspondence from the housing

[0:51:36] Voice 6: in society on friday afternoon uh which will not be in the package yet but it may get to end up

[0:51:42] Voice 6: being discussed um and uh so over you planner chadwick will do of course will receive your

[0:51:49] Voice 6: report and uh then there may be some communication with the applicant in this regard uh and questions

[0:51:56] Voice 6: for the trustees and sports it's over you player child okay

[0:52:00] Voice 4: yeah so um the the step report uh

[0:52:05] Voice 4: so it brings

[0:52:07] Voice 15: back the uh bylaws for first reading um and it um it uh introduces the

[0:52:16] Voice 15: um water management report and the findings of the groundwater investigation and provides

[0:52:21] Voice 15: a little bit of the comments from William Schulbaugh with respect to those and an update

[0:52:28] Voice 15: on process. So with respect to the draft bylaws, I can just provide a little summary of what's

[0:52:39] Voice 15: uh let's have what what's being proposed so the bylaw um 183 which is the land use bylaw it it

[0:52:50] Voice 15: creates a new zone comprehensive development three zone to support multi-family housing

[0:52:56] Voice 15: it introduces um additional definitions that support the project it creates a split zone lot

[0:53:04] Voice 15: lot. It resolves a portion of the property being contemplated

[0:53:08] Voice 15: for multifamily from rural to comprehensive development three.

[0:53:15] It resolves the parent property to enable the

[0:53:23] Voice 15: subdivision of the

[0:53:24] Voice 15: lot into two. And it removes the ability to commit secondary

[0:53:32] Voice 15: and the um the amendment to the efficient community plan basically just designates that

[0:53:38] Voice 15: new area as a new designation

[0:53:42] Voice 15: multi-family residential that would be for the

[0:53:50] Voice 1: housing area

[0:53:52] Voice 15: um with respect to the water

[0:53:54] Voice 15: reports um a william phoba our freshwater specialist reviewed both the reports and found

[0:54:03] Voice 15: that um the the water the groundwater uh level monitoring um was as as as would have been

[0:54:12] expected more or less um there is um there is uh

[0:54:17] Voice 15: sufficient water in that area to support

[0:54:19] Voice 15: report um that that development and um that is support a weather report and what Michelle said

[0:54:26] Voice 15: uh his uh his review of the report says the data is sound um with respect to the water management

[0:54:35] Voice 15: plan as um those people they discussed it some new um approaches with respect to surface water

[0:54:47] Voice 15: And it also looked at water management, water capture, and it did speak about water treatment.

[0:54:56] Voice 15: With respect to water treatment, there will need to be a bit more significant work to conform to the covenant when we get to that place in the process.

[0:55:10] Voice 15: us um in terms of uh the the update where we're at right now so we are in the process of putting

[0:55:20] Voice 15: together a new cost recovery agreement that will need to be signed by the housing society um before

[0:55:27] Voice 15: we send the housing agreement and covenant uh for review um the housing society as their letter

[0:55:35] Voice 15: indicated and i'm sure they'll they'll discuss um they've had a conversation with the the

[0:55:41] Voice 15: the power attorney of the owner of the land um and and so there are a few changes the one being

[0:55:51] Voice 15: that uh the they have agreed to have sean mchugh's name on the housing agreement um and then i know

[0:55:59] Voice 15: that they want to discuss um don't discuss the uh sunset clause so wherever we arrive at today

[0:56:06] Voice 15: uh we'll we'll inform uh further changes potentially to the covenant so we're just

[0:56:12] Voice 15: waiting until those changes uh potential changes are are discussed and supported and then um we'll

[0:56:20] Voice 15: move to uh to move the uh the legal review process forward um so yeah so that's basically uh so in

[0:56:31] Voice 15: terms of um the next steps we're looking at um at having that cost recovery agreement uh

[0:56:41] the final amounts you can find again

[0:56:43] Voice 15: um once we understand where the company is at um and then

[0:56:48] Voice 15: signed by the the main housing society the covenant and the housing agreement will be sent

[0:56:55] Voice 15: for legal review and if there are any significant changes that will be brought back for discussion

[0:57:02] Voice 15: if the bibles are read for the first time today then staff will schedule a public hearing and

[0:57:08] Voice 15: And, and once the, once the housing agreement drops are final, it's being recommended that

[0:57:19] Voice 15: resolutions are supported.

[0:57:22] Voice 15: I will point out that one of the resolutions to, one of the alternatives should the, should

[0:57:34] Voice 15: trustees not want to move forward with with the first reading of the bylaws um is to bring back

[0:57:42] Voice 15: uh is to provide staff basically with direction to bring back the the bylaws once the uh final

[0:57:51] Voice 15: draft of the housing agreement and come in okay

[0:58:00] Voice 6: uh yeah okay so um i'm hoping everybody can hear

[0:58:06] Voice 6: online i'm just going to turn the trustee specifically for questions for the planner

[0:58:11] Voice 6: regarding the report before i turn to the applicant for any update i have one but i'm

[0:58:20] Voice 6: going to let you to ask any questions that you have um for the plan i

[0:58:25] Voice 4: don't have any okay trustee

[0:58:28] Voice 6: want to get out of questions so i just want to be so here's my question um i just want to know

[0:58:34] Voice 6: uh plan chadwick uh beyond the decision related to whether or not to give first reading to these

[0:58:41] Voice 6: two bylaws which were first presented to us i think in october or november not sure what it was

[0:58:47] Voice 6: um uh are there any other decision points that you see today that are that are important for

[0:58:54] Voice 6: us to consider as we think about and talk about this um about about i mean we made some directions

[0:59:02] Voice 6: last meeting and i guess i wanted to make sure i understood if there i don't see any other in

[0:59:08] Voice 6: the report but are there any other there

[0:59:10] Voice 15: are none in the report there may be after uh the

[0:59:13] Voice 15: conversations around because i think the key one of the one of the key points of conversation today

[0:59:19] Voice 15: day is around the covenant and what would be contained in that with respect to the sunset

[0:59:27] Voice 15: clause. So that's, there may be a distinction.

[0:59:30] Voice 6: So my understanding from, at least from staff's

[0:59:34] Voice 6: perspective, you think that except for the wording of the covenant and how that relates to

[0:59:46] Voice 6: and the housing agreement i gather staff is saying the bylaws are ready to be considered

[0:59:55] Voice 6: at a public hearing or our community information meeting slash public hearing that they're

[1:00:00] Voice 6: ready that you're not there's no other recommended reports or or the information that you that the

[1:00:05] Voice 6: staff is considering at this stage so those are the two outstanding items and so our decision

[1:00:10] Voice 6: point today is to give it first reading and perhaps then consider next steps after that

[1:00:15] Voice 6: that's what your recommendation correct okay

[1:00:18] Voice 6: just want to be clear uh i'm going to turn to the high

[1:00:21] Voice 6: i'm going to clear to the uh turn to the applicant and say hi um thank you for your letter uh deborah

[1:00:28] Voice 6: from friday uh and is there you have commentary oh hi sorry i

[1:00:33] Voice 1: i never recognize you in person

[1:00:36] Voice 6: sorry sorry it's the i'm sorry i don't mean to act like that it's the consultant though

[1:00:41] Voice 6: i always want to say lni but it's like the

[1:00:44] Voice 8: lady

[1:00:46] Voice 6: i always get it wrong um with the uh with the

[1:00:49] Voice 6: housing society i knew anyway um you have to stop changing your glasses and uh anyway welcome

[1:00:58] Voice 6: uh so are there things you'd like to address before we have our conversations i'm seeing

[1:01:02] Voice 6: not so go ahead please so

[1:01:04] Voice 16: we didn't have any projects here with us just the flies of project

[1:01:11] Voice 6: okay and i'm gonna ask you to try and speak as clearly as you can because this is a good

[1:01:16] Voice 6: microphone but uh they have to pick up what you have to say sounds good thank you

[1:01:20] Voice 8: for having me

[1:01:22] Voice 8: here today beautiful day on the island um so i don't have a lot to add on top of the staff report

[1:01:28] Voice 8: but i just wanted to reiterate some of uh some of the things that we've been working on um and and

[1:01:34] Voice 8: again reiterate sort of our desire for first reading for the project so i want to emphasize

[1:01:39] Voice 8: um all the work that the society has been doing um for the entire process but especially in the

[1:01:44] Voice 8: last few months to address um concerns that we've heard from the trustees from neighbors from the

[1:01:49] Voice 8: agency and all these concerns and the work that's resulted has ultimately made the project better

[1:01:55] Voice 8: like the the driveway changes that we made to the site plan proactively doing the water management

[1:02:02] Voice 8: plan and the water data report these are all things that have strengthened the project

[1:02:07] Voice 8: but there's lots of work yet to do that has to come after first reading and after rezoning and

[1:02:13] Voice 8: i don't

[1:02:14] Voice 8: want to underestimate the the time and effort that that's going to take so things like

[1:02:18] Voice 8: the subdivision water or septic design all those things are with different jurisdictional bodies

[1:02:24] Voice 8: and they take a lot of time we want to be able to get ourselves in the queue for a lot of those

[1:02:28] Voice 8: approvals so moving the project through rezoning is really important to that since the last meeting

[1:02:35] Voice 8: as staff mentioned we have spoken with the McHugh family and the representatives and they're happy

[1:02:40] Voice 8: to have their names on the housing agreement so that issue has been resolved we've also added

[1:02:45] Voice 8: one point in the covenant around septic language based on Trustee Vaughn's comments in the last

[1:02:52] Voice 8: meeting. And we've also been working to come up with a solution to address the sunset clauses

[1:02:59] Voice 8: for both Lot 2 and Lot 3 based on sort of what we know the trustees want with an amenity being

[1:03:06] Voice 8: delivered and what the family feels like they have to require for their circumstances. And we

[1:03:12] Voice 8: didn't propose something specific in the letter because we don't have something robust and well

[1:03:17] Voice 8: thought out to propose but i do just want to mention that what we're looking at and we have

[1:03:21] Voice 8: to explore sort of what the legality and what it would look like but is that the well could be used

[1:03:26] Voice 8: as an emergency water source for the island um both william schulba and our water data logger

[1:03:33] Voice 8: showed that the well it's a very healthy well it's got a lot of capacity so a more short-term

[1:03:38] Voice 8: amenity an immediate amenity could be emergency water used for the island but i do want to

[1:03:43] Voice 8: emphasize we need to explore the legality what it would all look like in the logistics um so that's

[1:03:48] Voice 8: what we would be doing over the next few weeks um and so again i just want to emphasize how important

[1:03:54] Voice 8: first reading is for the project it will allow us to go back to some of the funders that have given

[1:03:59] Voice 8: us seed funding and ask for top-ups for that to show that progress has been made um that can help

[1:04:05] Voice 8: us leverage to apply for additional funding um like study work do we bring municipal fund to

[1:04:09] Voice 8: look at building this to net zero energy ready is one option um it allows additional work to

[1:04:16] Voice 8: be done we can start the subdivision application after we have first reading um to do the parallel

[1:04:21] Voice 8: with the rest of the resuming application um it gives some assurance to the McHugh family who

[1:04:27] Voice 8: um they're in an unfortunate circumstance um and they've been very um helpful and they want

[1:04:33] Voice 8: want to continue this process but we don't want to place too much burden on them and want to

[1:04:37] Voice 8: be able to move it forward to give them some certainty with their land moving forward

[1:04:41] Voice 8: um and and just ultimately there is an urgency to the housing crisis we all know there's a

[1:04:47] Voice 8: housing crisis right now um it's one of the top issues in the entire province um this this uh

[1:04:53] Voice 8: application has been uh reviewed for two years now there's been a lot of work to make sure it's a

[1:04:59] Voice 8: robust um application that's good for the community um and folks on the island really need housing

[1:05:05] Voice 8: this is one of the many ways that we need to try and meet the housing crisis um the flex housing

[1:05:11] Voice 8: is going to be one way that uh housing is housing needs are going to be met on the island but it

[1:05:16] Voice 8: won't fill all the needs like with this project it won't fill all the needs but it's really important

[1:05:20] Voice 8: to have affordable rental housing on the island um so we really just ask again for first reading

[1:05:27] Voice 8: we acknowledge that there is still the outstanding issue of the sunset clauses

[1:05:31] Voice 8: neighbors may have more comments um but there is enough time after close reading before cim

[1:05:36] Voice 8: and public hearing to handle those matters so thank you christine

[1:05:42] Voice 6: questions for yeah yeah go

[1:05:44] Voice 6: ahead i

[1:05:44] Voice 14: just want to mention about the the well as community amenity and i had mentioned during

[1:05:48] Voice 14: one walkabout i really think that you should be putting in easements to all the proper all the

[1:05:52] Voice 14: all the neighbors who are concerned that perhaps their wells will be compromised easement won't

[1:05:58] Voice 14: cost i don't think anything extra but that that should be considered as to me that's more of an

[1:06:04] Voice 14: amenity than the community in general because that would be complicated um because we have

[1:06:09] Voice 14: lots of firefighting water so we'd be talking about trucks pumping water to go fill up the

[1:06:14] Voice 14: water district down the road but the immediate neighbors some sort of an easement in place that

[1:06:19] Voice 14: if those neighbors needed water then they would have access to it so just a suggestion okay thank

[1:06:26] Voice 6: you any other questions for the applicant questions no okay all right um thank you very

[1:06:32] Voice 6: much for those contact commentary and uh then we come back to the staff report and the suggestion

[1:06:39] Voice 6: from the from the uh the planner and the proposal that is basically that we give the bylaws that

[1:06:46] Voice 6: have been before us now in their current form they haven't changed i don't believe since november um

[1:06:53] Voice 6: because they said they've been working on all the peripheral matters other than this give them

[1:06:58] Voice 6: first reading so trustees okay

[1:07:00] Voice 14: well i'm ready to move go ahead okay so i move that the main

[1:07:04] Voice 14: island local trust committee bylaw number 181 cited as main island official community plan

[1:07:09] Voice 14: bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number 120 it says 2021 so is that okay okay okay be read for

[1:07:19] Voice 14: a first time okay

[1:07:20] Voice 6: we're seconded a second for discussion okay seconded for discussion so over

[1:07:24] Voice 6: to you let's go to you first uh trustee dot um

[1:07:28] Voice 14: well i just want to mention um the fellow's gone

[1:07:31] Voice 14: now some of the criticism about the length of time we did have to put this on pause that allowed a

[1:07:37] Voice 14: certain amount of period went bad went by where we kind of had we have a lot of other things going

[1:07:42] Voice 14: up so it took i would say at least an extra month to sort of come back up to speed on the application

[1:07:47] Voice 14: it also is not a simple process there's a lot of bits and pieces to doing this so

[1:07:52] Voice 14: i can understand the frustration of how long it's taking but i don't really accept the

[1:07:57] Voice 14: criticism that don made so if he's not here i'll be sure to

[1:08:00] Voice 6: tell him thank you

[1:08:01] Voice 6: anything further

[1:08:03] Voice 6: you wish to say about your motion no you're

[1:08:05] Trustee Maude: obviously trusting my i just i just add to that

[1:08:09] Trustee Maude: it's knowing the processes that have happened yeah cali i don't give it all you know these

[1:08:14] Trustee Maude: are long processes so i don't think that we're extreme um no so the reason i said the central

[1:08:25] Trustee Maude: discussion because i'm still i'm in the chicken and egg phase is i'm more comfortable knowing

[1:08:32] Trustee Maude: the belt and braces with the housing agreement and the covenant um what that looks like what we

[1:08:38] Trustee Maude: can do and what we can't do um so that they are more comfortable doing first reading when i have

[1:08:45] Trustee Maude: the package and and i don't know if i'm right or wrong about that that's just my feeling and you

[1:08:51] Trustee Maude: know i've talked to other trustees and staff about that and the the kind of say exactly that this

[1:08:58] Trustee Maude: chicken egg is that you it's basically it's a choice because that's it's not there doesn't

[1:09:02] Trustee Maude: seem to be a right or wrong answer right around time but the i just i hear so many concerns

[1:09:10] Trustee Maude: from the neighbors about this and you know it's it's it's not that word it's because because the

[1:09:19] Trustee Maude: concerns um that have been raised have been serious have been significant they've been

[1:09:26] Trustee Maude: substantial and relatable and i and a lot of what can hopefully sort of mitigate the neighbor's

[1:09:36] Trustee Maude: concerns are contained within the housing agreement and the covenant and we don't have that

[1:09:41] Trustee Maude: for us and that's why i'm just i'm uncomfortable and i'm hoping that between everybody sitting at

[1:09:51] Trustee Maude: this table you guys can swing me one way or the other because i'm just i'm literally i'm just i'm

[1:09:56] Trustee Maude: sitting here on an ice that's because i'm hearing one thing is that we can't do anything until we

[1:10:01] Trustee Maude: have first reading but then i'm going but i don't see substance to this so somebody want to tell me

[1:10:09] Trustee Maude: something well

[1:10:11] Voice 6: i like trustee dodson she wants to go on

[1:10:14] Voice 14: yeah i just want to say that we have seen

[1:10:16] Voice 14: the draft of the housing agreement and the covenant we've sort of discussed the things

[1:10:21] Voice 14: that we specifically would like to see in there we haven't got all the answers to the housing

[1:10:25] Voice 14: closing agreement and covenant I think that the neighbor's concerns in Tim's here and you know a

[1:10:30] Voice 14: lot of that has been or say a lot of it but to me my mind the things that I was concerned with

[1:10:35] Voice 14: was the driveway which has been moved and the water management plan which I thought was interesting

[1:10:41] Voice 14: because the building permit process requires all of that water that was worried about to be managed

[1:10:46] Voice 14: and sort of the subdivision process the water that's currently there now it's always been there

[1:10:52] Voice 14: and will always be there and has no way to control it so i am perfectly satisfied with those two

[1:10:58] Voice 14: reports that we've gotten um also i hear this about the septic which we haven't gotten yet but

[1:11:03] Voice 14: we're going to i also know that first reading really doesn't mean you're having a public hearing

[1:11:08] Voice 14: right now if you still have lots of time and i don't so i don't feel it's reasonable to continue

[1:11:14] Voice 14: to delay to the next meeting um to do first reading when we can get this done now and the

[1:11:19] Voice 14: the rest of the reports will have to come well before there's a public hearing and it says that

[1:11:23] Voice 14: here somewhere so the public hearing would definitely not go ahead until that's that's in

[1:11:28] Voice 14: place

[1:11:28] Voice 6: if you wanted to say anything about that otherwise i can speak that trustee mod

[1:11:36] Voice 6: so you know this is this is all this i remember this conversation quite vividly last year about

[1:11:42] Voice 6: this time when we were talking about the trust policy statement about first reading and there

[1:11:46] Voice 6: was a lot of

[1:11:46] Voice 6: commentary about what first reading was and we saw a lot of things um i mean first

[1:11:51] Voice 6: reading for a lot of local governments and municipalities is really a very preliminary step

[1:11:56] Voice 6: um it's a uh a step that indicates that says okay we we're now considering this and now we've had

[1:12:04] Voice 6: these in draft form for quite some time um at least since the fall and uh and there were reasons

[1:12:12] Voice 6: we didn't give it first reading in the fall because of the circumstances that occurred

[1:12:16] Voice 6: or even considered giving it first reading and that was fine. So here we are. I guess

[1:12:23] Voice 6: my view is this, is that I'm not hearing anything that says this project is a no-go. As I've said

[1:12:31] Voice 6: on other islands, people who have seen the other islands, I've said my view of these processes is

[1:12:37] Voice 6: is you sort of keep going until you find,

[1:12:41] Voice 6: unless you hit a stopping place

[1:12:42] Voice 6: and you find a stopping place that says,

[1:12:45] Voice 6: no, you know what, not going to do this.

[1:12:47] Voice 6: And that's why you continue the process going forward.

[1:12:50] Voice 6: We've asked for a lot of reports.

[1:12:53] Voice 6: That's why I asked the question for the planner

[1:12:55] Voice 6: that as far as the staff is concerned,

[1:12:57] Voice 6: and it doesn't mean they're entirely right,

[1:13:00] Voice 6: because members of the community may have other ideas

[1:13:03] Voice 6: and may convince us that they're right,

[1:13:06] Voice 6: that the other idea is that we've gotten

[1:13:08] Voice 6: all of the technical reports that we've asked for

[1:13:12] Voice 6: and that they're satisfied that this is sufficient

[1:13:15] Voice 6: for us to give first reading to these bylaws,

[1:13:18] Voice 6: which sets up a process for the applicant to go forward

[1:13:22] Voice 6: and say, we're still moving forward.

[1:13:25] Voice 6: And for us to say, it's time for us

[1:13:27] Voice 6: to do our work with our lawyers.

[1:13:29] Voice 6: So generally speaking, my view is,

[1:13:32] Voice 6: is that it is time to give this first reading

[1:13:34] Voice 6: unless the local trustees tell me you know what this project is not this this application is a

[1:13:40] Voice 6: no-go um unless you tell me that you think it's a no-go my view would be you give a first reading

[1:13:45] Voice 6: so that's my i'm going to support the motion and i'm hoping we can all support it but i understand

[1:13:54] Voice 6: it wouldn't be the first time and i

[1:13:57] Voice 14: just want to say you know going back to all the requests that

[1:14:00] Voice 14: we've made have to me been answered step by step there's still things to come but it's not like

[1:14:06] Voice 14: we've asked for something and we haven't gotten it so that that's important to know and and we

[1:14:10] Voice 6: all understand that there are they're readily identifiable issues in the housing agreement

[1:14:16] Voice 6: and the covenant that are there we all know what they are you've addressed them we've addressed

[1:14:20] Voice 6: them we know what they are they're they're i don't i want to call them minor they're important but

[1:14:26] Voice 6: there but we know what they are and uh so it's not like we don't have the structure of this

[1:14:32] Voice 6: arrangement uh available for us to take out to the community and say now what do you guys think

[1:14:40] Voice 6: that's mine because that's the next step right um the next step is we stop talking about it and

[1:14:46] Voice 6: take it out and let the community talk about it um to us and amongst each other uh to some extent but

[1:14:53] Voice 6: but mostly to us.

[1:14:55] Voice 6: Anyway, Trustee Maude, do you wish to,

[1:14:57] Voice 6: I don't know if we convinced you one way

[1:14:59] Voice 1: or the other.

[1:15:00] Voice 1: Maybe

[1:15:00] Voice 6: you heard me and thought he's wrong, which is fine.

[1:15:07] Voice 6: I've been, I've occasionally been wrong.

[1:15:11] Trustee Maude: You have days.

[1:15:14] Trustee Maude: No, I appreciate that because it is difficult.

[1:15:18] Trustee Maude: It's because most of the time when we look at stuff before us,

[1:15:23] we kind of see a road forward and

[1:15:26] Trustee Maude: and it's it's kind of like yeah we're there and and i just

[1:15:32] Trustee Maude: my difficulty is i don't think we're there okay um but that said i will vote um for um first reading

[1:15:41] Trustee Maude: but with the strongly worded statement that you know i'm not there yet and you know it is

[1:15:49] is that as we move forward i need to see the belt and braces

[1:15:53] Trustee Maude: okay and then hopefully some happy

[1:15:56] Voice 6: neighbors do you do you want some sort of octavian bill put into the actual minutes themselves um

[1:16:02] Voice 6: because i can ask pat to do that if you'd like no but

[1:16:05] Trustee Maude: i i i the the the parties are here yeah

[1:16:08] Trustee Maude: i've spoken my piece um but it's sort of it is i i don't generally tend to devote reluctantly

[1:16:15] Trustee Maude: way okay i tend to vote enthusiastically um but this would be one of the times where i'm

[1:16:21] Trustee Maude: reluctantly voting to proceed because i just i'm

[1:16:26] Voice 6: not there yet okay uh fair enough then if there's

[1:16:29] Voice 6: nobody else can i call uh the vote on the first motion that's been made uh all in favor so that

[1:16:36] Voice 6: passes in three votes thank you very much does someone want to make the second i

[1:16:40] Voice 14: move that the

[1:16:41] Voice 14: the Main Island Local Trust Committee by-law number 183

[1:16:43] Voice 14: cited as Main Island land use by-law number 146,

[1:16:48] Voice 14: 2008 amendment number one, 2021 be read for a first time.

[1:16:52] Voice 14: Is

[1:16:52] Voice 6: there a second?

[1:16:53] Voice 6: Is there any further discussion?

[1:16:55] Voice 6: We've sort of talked about them

[1:16:56] Voice 6: in conjunction with each other.

[1:16:58] Voice 6: Any further discussion, finally, Trustee?

[1:17:00] Voice 6: I have nothing further to say.

[1:17:01] Voice 6: So I'll call all in favor, that passes unanimously, thanks.

[1:17:05] Voice 6: Go ahead, is there another motion?

[1:17:07] Voice 14: Okay, I move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee

[1:17:08] Voice 14: request staff to schedule a community information meeting concurrently with the public hearing for

[1:17:14] Voice 14: bylaw number 181 cited as maine island official community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment

[1:17:21] Voice 14: number one 2021 and bylaw number 183 cited as maine island land use bylaw number 146 2008

[1:17:29] Voice 14: amendment number one 2021. okay before

[1:17:33] Voice 14: i ask for a second i want to ask

[1:17:35] Voice 6: a question about the word

[1:17:36] Voice 6: heard concurrently um I don't know what you if that's what you were gonna ask um if what what's

[1:17:41] Voice 6: your intention there is because this is your life um

[1:17:44] Voice 15: that I'm glad you're in my questions I would

[1:17:46] Voice 15: have raised it for the trustees um so we did have one uh community information meeting um some time

[1:17:54] Voice 15: ago um so typically if one is already been had then the second one if there is a second one is

[1:18:02] Voice 15: is done concurrently with the public hearing it doesn't have to be that way um so that is that is

[1:18:09] Voice 15: a good question for well

[1:18:10] Voice 6: i think before we pass this motion we should talk about whether or not

[1:18:13] Voice 6: you imagine that you would have community information like we did today with a relatively

[1:18:19] Voice 6: minor item we saw by how many public hearing commentaries there were um uh but the like that's

[1:18:26] Voice 6: followed immediately by a public hearing um i find those challenging on on challenging issues

[1:18:32] Voice 6: and i didn't know what the trustees yeah no

[1:18:35] Voice 14: i was gonna i was waiting for a second or so i

[1:18:38] Voice 14: questioned the motion but however but yeah i i think i think they need to be separated

[1:18:42] Voice 14: i don't think that we should be doing that on the same day i think it's going to be very complex

[1:18:47] Voice 14: and i know our our timing in terms of our term running out is going to be tight but i think we

[1:18:53] Voice 14: need to do it as a separate two separate items because i think dave dan is correct yeah i don't

[1:18:59] Voice 14: think it's going to be a simple public hearing i

[1:19:01] Voice 6: i yeah and i and i

[1:19:02] Voice 6: do and i think it's important

[1:19:04] Voice 6: for people that they've got a lot of questions to come as mr as mr mackie had questions he wants to

[1:19:10] Voice 6: come and ask to think he shouldn't be put in the position personally people shouldn't be put in the

[1:19:13] Voice 6: position where they have to immediately turn around and make their comments they should be able to go

[1:19:18] Voice 6: away and talk about them and get more information think about them prepare their submissions and be

[1:19:23] Voice 6: able to do that so so i would propose a language schedule community information and a public hearing

[1:19:30] Voice 6: a separate public hearing does that mean

[1:19:33] Voice 14: i accept the friendly amendment well

[1:19:35] Voice 6: it hasn't been seconded

[1:19:36] Voice 6: yet so and

[1:19:37] Voice 6: a separate public hearing does that make sense yes

[1:19:41] Voice 14: okay separate

[1:19:42] Voice 6: so that's been moved

[1:19:44] Voice 6: is there a second or second okay uh thank you uh any further discussion all in favor

[1:19:52] Voice 6: and

[1:19:53] Voice 4: let me look

[1:19:54] Voice 6: at this last one yeah no

[1:19:55] Voice 4: i don't think you need that one though

[1:19:57] Voice 4: oh we don't

[1:19:58] Voice 4: no yeah

[1:19:59] Voice 6: well do you because do you want specific direction that you don't do the

[1:20:03] Voice 6: public hearing until you've got the you actually shouldn't do the cim until you yeah have the yeah

[1:20:08] Voice 6: we

[1:20:09] Voice 14: really need to until

[1:20:10] Voice 6: you have the covenant in the housing i

[1:20:12] Voice 14: mean

[1:20:13] Voice 6: you just shouldn't in my view

[1:20:14] Voice 6: no

[1:20:15] Voice 14: because we still need those other pieces of progression okay so can we just leave that one

[1:20:22] Voice 6: is that what i'm hearing you don't need that last motion any longer i mean do you need but you've

[1:20:26] Voice 6: heard us say that do you need us to give you specific direction i

[1:20:30] Voice 15: think i think the motion

[1:20:31] Voice 15: is fine as it stands on me and and and i i'm understanding that we want the housing agreement

[1:20:37] Voice 15: in the covenant before the yeah

[1:20:39] Voice 6: so if you know you're going to have it i know you have to you

[1:20:42] Voice 6: have to plan whatever the number of weeks ahead it is so so

[1:20:46] Voice 14: it basically basically it's saying

[1:20:48] Voice 14: until we get until we get the final drafts we will not have a scheduled public hearing right so it's

[1:20:53] Voice 14: fine okay so

[1:20:55] Voice 14: i move that main island local trust committee request staff to schedule a public

[1:20:58] Voice 14: hearing for bylaw number 181 cited as main island official community plan bylaw number 144 2007

[1:21:05] Voice 14: amendment number 1221 and bylaw number 183 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008

[1:21:13] Voice 14: 2008 amendment number one 2021 following the receipt of the final drafts of the housing

[1:21:19] Voice 14: agreement and the s219 covenant right okay

[1:21:24] Voice 6: is there a second okay any further discussion from

[1:21:27] Voice 6: either all in favor pass thanks very much is there anything else you would like from us

[1:21:33] Voice 6: nurse oh go ahead i'm

[1:21:34] Voice 14: just saying i heard that you we're going to come back on something about

[1:21:37] Voice 14: the septic to the concern about mana a way of monitoring the septic system that dave had a

[1:21:43] Voice 14: concern about the septic and whether how it would be managed i think i think i heard we have wording

[1:21:49] Voice 16: in the covenant

[1:21:50] Voice 14: right now okay that

[1:21:51] Voice 14: covers that okay regulations i need a note and i kind of lost

[1:21:56] Voice 14: track yeah

[1:21:56] Voice 6: i think that came out of last meeting and trustee maude's concerns and i think we

[1:22:02] Voice 6: actually asked certain language to be put in there and and i don't know if it was exactly the same

[1:22:07] Voice 6: but what you've developed yeah well

[1:22:10] Voice 16: it would be good to know if what's in there is not suitable

[1:22:13] Voice 6: uh that's a good question maybe we could look at that where can you help be interested wherever

[1:22:18] Voice 6: you can find that

[1:22:18] Voice 15: we don't have it because it came just last week

[1:22:21] Voice 6: oh yeah so it's not built

[1:22:22] Voice 6: into it yet so you're gonna have to find

[1:22:25] Voice 3: out hopefully she

[1:22:29] Voice 6: has it she says it's not in the

[1:22:32] Voice 6: package it

[1:22:32] Voice 4: didn't

[1:22:34] Voice 6: make the package because our package is um did you send it to us i believe

[1:22:38] Voice 4: we sent it to all of you that was exactly that did

[1:22:42] Voice 6: we yeah

[1:22:43] Voice 4: with the housing with the

[1:22:45] Voice 5: attachment

[1:22:45] Voice 4: covenant with

[1:22:46] Voice 16: the revisions with his name on it and

[1:22:49] Voice 6: who would that come from just so

[1:22:50] Voice 6: i'm looking for the right email okay

[1:22:53] Voice 4: this came from deborah deborah i sent uh i sent the latest

[1:23:14] Voice 4: you sent the one

[1:23:14] Voice 16: i sent the letter and you know our memories are all really good they're just

[1:23:20] Voice 16: short uh

[1:23:22] Voice 6: the only thing i have from you and besides that are a couple copies of petitions

[1:23:28] Voice 6: in the last no i yeah

[1:23:30] Voice 7: i think i'm just

[1:23:31] Voice 7: trying to find it there was the letter

[1:23:34] Voice 4: oh

[1:23:35] Voice 6: it's just a second

[1:23:35] Voice 4: sorry

[1:23:37] Voice 16: sorry

[1:23:38] Voice 6: friday you attached it to

[1:23:40] Voice 16: the same one

[1:23:40] Voice 6: no that's an ortho

[1:23:42] Voice 16: that's an ortho that's an ortho map yeah

[1:23:45] Voice 6: that's different which should get

[1:23:47] Voice 6: i

[1:23:47] Voice 16: couldn't print it

[1:23:49] Voice 16: might have just

[1:23:50] Voice 4: been sent to me okay

[1:23:58] Voice 4: yeah i i don't have it okay oh i see yeah

[1:24:02] Voice 16: well you know it's two sentences long if

[1:24:04] Voice 16: if it's possible to read that or or nurse you can let us know if it's not suitable language

[1:24:11] Voice 16: yeah

[1:24:11] Voice 15: well so this is so um it will be so we'll send the covenant all as a package with that

[1:24:17] Voice 15: that language to the lower with whatever it is,

[1:24:21] Voice 15: and then it'll come back for review.

[1:24:23] Voice 15: So if it doesn't appear to be significant enough

[1:24:25] Voice 15: at that point, then we can change it.

[1:24:28] Voice 6: My understanding was my recollection of the direction

[1:24:31] Voice 6: that was given was that similar protection

[1:24:33] Voice 6: for the septic be put in that had been proposed

[1:24:39] Voice 6: for the water system.

[1:24:41] Voice 6: Yeah, when that's really was the concern.

[1:24:42] Voice 6: So as long as, and I'm guessing that's-

[1:24:46] Voice 6: regular one okay uh anything further uh planner channel no

[1:24:51] Voice 14: you guys you missed it all um it's over

[1:24:58] Voice 14: we're fast

[1:24:59] Voice 7: yes the public

[1:25:01] Voice 13: hearing wasn't very long

[1:25:02] Voice 7: okay sorry

[1:25:16] Voice 7: right

[1:25:17] Voice 7: well

[1:25:17] Voice 3: yes

[1:25:22] Voice 6: i know sometimes our agenda times don't work out

[1:25:26] Voice 6: and of course if we if we had put in 20 minutes for the public hearing it would have been four

[1:25:33] Voice 6: hours

[1:25:33] Voice 2: so

[1:25:35] Voice 6: you know you just you do your best so thank you

[1:25:38] Voice 6: very much i'm going to propose

[1:25:39] Voice 6: to quick breaks before we move on to the rest of the items on the agenda um it's uh 2 24 when we

[1:25:46] Voice 6: come back in 10 minutes and uh carry on i just need a quick comfort break and we'll start then

[1:25:52] Voice 6: then at the next item on the agenda is uh the uh the bylaws that we just had

[1:26:02] Voice 6: anybody watching will

[1:26:06] Voice 6: adjourn and we'll come back and take it

[1:26:08] Voice 14: i have everything

[1:26:22] Voice 4: I mean, that means you're still perfectly good, but it can be like.

[1:26:28] Voice 4: How long?

[1:26:29] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:26:30] Yeah.

[1:26:32] Yeah.

[1:26:33] Yeah.

[1:26:37] Yeah.

[1:26:41] Yeah.

[1:26:47] Yeah.

[1:26:48] Voice 4: you know, a different place, yeah, yeah.

[1:26:57] Voice 4: Well, for now, I think

[1:26:58] Voice 5: I would want to have those

[1:27:00] Voice 4: to me, I would want to

[1:27:01] Voice 5: have those, yeah.

[1:27:03] Voice 5: Oh, okay, well, if we did

[1:27:05] Voice 14: it that way, okay.

[1:27:06] Voice 14: That was the intent.

[1:27:09] Just go to the first picture.

[1:27:10] We're going down the right.

[1:27:39] Thank you.

[1:28:05] Voice 4: I have some

[1:28:10] Voice 14: eggs for you.

[1:29:02] Voice 14: you know

[1:29:03] Trustee Maude: you know if it works for you

[1:29:12] Trustee Maude: That section works for you.

[1:29:14] Trustee Maude: They said, when they get you dead over a log,

[1:29:16] Trustee Maude: they try and get you to settle with, oh, no.

[1:29:20] Trustee Maude: That's when it started going, no, just shut it down.

[1:29:22] Normally, this time of year, the volume is maybe a hit.

[1:29:26] Also, it's not huge.

[1:29:27] Voice 1: Never mind.

[1:29:28] Voice 1: I don't care.

[1:29:29] Voice 1: What's the unscrupulous?

[1:29:29] Voice 1: And also, there's a lot of times where something

[1:29:31] won't go right.

[1:29:32] There's a lot of times where it won't just pop in.

[1:29:34] But the runway

[1:29:35] Voice 9: should be written very, very specific.

[1:29:37] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:29:37] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:29:37] Voice 9: That's what you do.

[1:29:38] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:29:39] Voice 9: It's nice.

[1:29:40] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:29:40] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:29:43] There's a

[1:29:44] But I would like to thank you.

[1:29:46] Yeah.

[1:29:47] Yeah.

[1:29:47] Yeah.

[1:29:48] Yeah.

[1:29:49] Yeah.

[1:29:50] Yeah.

[1:29:51] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:29:52] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:29:52] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:29:53] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:29:54] Voice 4: But I don't think that's a big thing.

[1:30:00] Voice 9: I'm

[1:30:00] Voice 4: not going to make sure

[1:30:00] Voice 9: that you cover your face to make sure

[1:30:07] Trustee Maude: that you're giving up something I think you've got a lot.

[1:30:26] I don't think so.

[1:30:27] That you have an effective wording.

[1:30:30] It's on the right.

[1:30:31] Right.

[1:30:32] Just.

[1:30:33] I don't think so.

[1:30:35] Yeah.

[1:30:35] I mean, we're so.

[1:30:36] Voice 4: Absolutely.

[1:30:37] Voice 4: I just.

[1:30:38] Voice 4: Oh, yes.

[1:30:40] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:41] Voice 4: Right.

[1:30:44] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:46] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:47] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:48] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:49] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:49] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:50] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:51] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:52] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:52] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:30:53] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:30:55] Voice 1: Yeah.

[1:30:56] Voice 1: Well, it's just that it's sad to see that the image capacity has gone back way, so we just don't have enough space.

[1:31:04] And we had tried to have the things at the harvest site shut down, but

[1:31:10] Voice 4: we didn't have as much room as we needed.

[1:31:12] Voice 12: And in the long-term, unfortunately, we have a forest, and we've got this island of trees that can't be turned off.

[1:31:27] Voice 4: yeah

[1:31:40] Voice 4: there's

[1:31:40] Voice 2: a big

[1:38:29] Voice 4: sign there but

[1:38:35] Voice 6: it says i'm on here i'm sure you're calling after three

[1:38:38] Voice 14: days at trust council

[1:38:39] Voice 6: we should have mute

[1:38:40] Voice 14: button no but

[1:38:41] Voice 6: i i did that mute but there's a there's a

[1:38:45] Voice 6: thing on my thing that says i i need to unmute there we go okay it's time to get

[1:38:50] Voice 6: um

[1:38:51] Voice 4: so

[1:38:55] Voice 6: thank you for coming back it's um uh we're gonna reconvene we're just gonna have a moment

[1:39:00] Voice 6: before we move on to uh the next item on the agenda uh and um one of the issues that that

[1:39:07] Voice 6: that remains in discussion between the Housing Society

[1:39:13] Voice 6: and the LCC and staff is the context of a sunset clause,

[1:39:21] Voice 6: which would, I guess, be in the covenant,

[1:39:22] Voice 6: not the housing agreement, or am I wrong?

[1:39:24] Voice 6: Which one would it be in?

[1:39:26] Voice 15: In the covenant.

[1:39:27] Voice 6: It would be in the covenant.

[1:39:28] Voice 6: And I know there's been some sort of vague,

[1:39:34] Voice 6: not vague, but general ideas thrown out about that.

[1:39:36] Voice 6: and i understand that the houses that i might like to address that the ltc a little bit about

[1:39:42] Voice 6: and get a feel for perhaps where particularly the local trustees are feeling about that so

[1:39:47] Voice 6: please go ahead and i've asked the trustees and they're quite open thank

[1:39:51] Voice 7: you very much

[1:39:52] Voice 7: and

[1:39:52] Voice 6: could i ask you to make sure you speak up again because the mic's very good but uh

[1:39:57] Voice 6: you are talking to me in the back

[1:40:00] Voice 5: you are talking to the back i

[1:40:02] Voice 6: don't know how it works but i know

[1:40:03] Voice 6: that uh i i can't turn it around and face you not

[1:40:07] Voice 16: a problem thank you i'll just pass it over

[1:40:09] Voice 16: to elaine we have discussed this yeah we're

[1:40:12] Voice 6: not on time go ahead yeah

[1:40:14] Voice 8: thanks for the opportunity

[1:40:16] Voice 8: to speak about this again so we're hoping to get at least some informal direction about what type

[1:40:21] Voice 8: of amenity to explore um to make those sunset clauses work what we're trying to do is make it

[1:40:27] Voice 8: as easy as possible for the family at this point to be able to access their land with the full

[1:40:32] Voice 8: value that they were expecting, and sort of have them untied from this process as quickly as

[1:40:38] Voice 8: possible. So the first is what I mentioned earlier, the well being used for community use,

[1:40:44] Voice 8: that something that could be an immediate, a fairly needed amenity, we believe there could

[1:40:49] Voice 8: be funding that can help us install the infrastructure that's needed for that.

[1:40:53] Voice 8: There is obviously legal and logistical challenges to that. So we would have to explore it, but we

[1:40:59] Voice 8: We don't want to go down and spend money exploring it if it's not something that you would consider.

[1:41:05] Voice 8: And the other option that we had considered, knowing that the family feels like five years is sort of the term that they would want to wait for their lot two to be released.

[1:41:17] Voice 8: But five years is not a long time to build this project with all the unknowns with funding availability.

[1:41:26] Voice 8: at five years we would suggest that lot two could be developed and that there would be a review

[1:41:31] Voice 8: likely by staff for lot three to assess what the situation is if uh if the project had secured

[1:41:38] Voice 8: funding but just not started construction or is an employee through construction um perhaps

[1:41:42] Voice 8: what you could still be developed with an understanding that the affordable housing

[1:41:47] Voice 8: would be delivered imminently but there would be an assessment with some criteria about how to

[1:41:51] Voice 8: how to move forward from them from there and if for if the worst case scenario was that the project

[1:41:58] Voice 8: was not looking valuable at that point then either another amenity like the well-used or something

[1:42:03] Voice 8: else could be explored or have another established well-resourced organization housing provider

[1:42:10] Voice 8: come in and they would take over the land and work to develop it for affordable housing so those are

[1:42:17] Voice 8: sort of the three avenues that we've discussed and all of them would require some exploration

[1:42:24] Voice 8: obviously but we just don't want to spend too much time looking at one if it's not going to

[1:42:29] Voice 8: be acceptable to the trustees in the end

[1:42:31] Voice 4: i

[1:42:33] Voice 14: like the well idea if you can get funding to actually

[1:42:38] Voice 14: make it an asset for water districts as you as we know have had to buy water and they've had

[1:42:44] Voice 14: lungs break so that makes sense to me um and five years for lot two i'm i'm comfortable with that

[1:42:50] Voice 14: um and a review after five years i'm comfortable with that um i think for the neighbors who no

[1:42:57] Voice 14: matter what the decision is are going to be you know stuck with this huge unknown for many years

[1:43:02] Voice 14: i'm i'm a little less amenable to the idea that this just always sit there as a potential housing

[1:43:10] Voice 14: if after a certain period of time housing is not able to come and I don't know what the magic time

[1:43:15] Voice 14: is the reality is you'll get different trust committees so you could set it up in such a way

[1:43:20] Voice 14: that it's reviewed you know their four-year terms and therefore each trust committee can look at it

[1:43:25] Voice 14: again and I don't know if there's a system in place where it would actually become a public

[1:43:29] Voice 14: process so that we would say five years from now I won't be here that the local trust committee can

[1:43:37] Voice 14: can say okay it's been five years and nothing's happened but we'll give you another but i think

[1:43:43] Voice 14: there needs to be a mechanism so that it gets reviewed every term so if you could do that i

[1:43:48] Voice 14: think that that because i don't think it's fair you know we have two pieces of property zoned for

[1:43:52] Voice 14: housing different models but that have never gone anywhere and um and i know that at the church the

[1:43:59] Voice 14: people who've now built next door were totally opposed to anything happening there so over time

[1:44:05] Voice 14: things change so i think that it should be open for review on a regular basis i

[1:44:11] Voice 9: think the question

[1:44:12] Voice 9: then is then what well

[1:44:14] Voice 14: i think that would be up to the trust should be done in such a way that

[1:44:17] Voice 14: the trust committee of the day makes that decision but i

[1:44:20] Voice 14: don't know how you would make it if how you

[1:44:22] Voice 14: would make it a public conversation obviously if you would come up on an agenda a review again of

[1:44:29] Voice 14: so that's a planner coming back with some if there is such a thing i

[1:44:34] Trustee Maude: think the reality is

[1:44:36] Trustee Maude: is that what we're talking about is lot two oh no

[1:44:39] Voice 14: no no i went past a lot too i said five years i

[1:44:43] Voice 14: was fine with lot two doing whatever lot two wants to do but

[1:44:46] Trustee Maude: but to me like lot two is released

[1:44:48] Trustee Maude: because of an amenity provided which is housing that's what we're here for

[1:44:52] Voice 4: um

[1:44:52] Trustee Maude: and and so you know is if after five years there's not significant progress on that

[1:45:01] Trustee Maude: releasing lot two isn't but but then the next step what did you say the next words you say

[1:45:06] Trustee Maude: is in five years if there's if there's like it's imminent we could go well okay we'll give it two

[1:45:13] Trustee Maude: more years

[1:45:14] Voice 4: or

[1:45:15] Trustee Maude: whatever the the time frame is but my problem is i i if the amenity is the housing

[1:45:22] Trustee Maude: which is what we've said

[1:45:23] Voice 4: and

[1:45:24] Trustee Maude: that's the reason lot two is getting created yeah

[1:45:26] Voice 4: i'm not comfortable

[1:45:27] Trustee Maude: releasing lot two

[1:45:28] Voice 4: until

[1:45:29] Trustee Maude: we have the amenity because that's that's why we're here

[1:45:33] Voice 14: that's

[1:45:34] Trustee Maude: because we're here for amenities so

[1:45:35] Voice 14: i guess that would be a definition of how far you were at the

[1:45:39] Voice 14: five-year point in terms of getting your amenity so that would be up to how planning i can see

[1:45:47] Voice 14: your hand yeah

[1:45:48] Voice 15: yeah that would be so i i have a question and what we're talking about here is um

[1:45:56] Voice 15: um what is allowing what to so if the ltc considers that to be enough

[1:46:14] Voice 15: do you know

[1:46:15] Voice 4: sorry no

[1:46:16] Voice 15: sorry i wish um no and then i think that i mean it's something i have to look

[1:46:24] Voice 15: into but i think

[1:46:24] Voice 15: logistically um writing into a covenant a review gets tricky right um and i think

[1:46:33] Voice 15: I mean, it gets tricky from a process perspective, and then it's not, I don't think, giving the property owners any sort of idea of certainty around the use of that property.

[1:46:49] Voice 15: So I think it's problematic.

[1:46:51] Voice 15: Yeah, so those are my thoughts

[1:46:54] Voice 4: there.

[1:46:56] Voice 4: That's a tough one.

[1:47:00] Voice 4: one of the some of the things i mean we appreciate having this conversation and i could just speak to

[1:47:05] Voice 4: this a little bit

[1:47:05] Voice 16: we're very concerned that if there is a five-year term on the development on

[1:47:12] Voice 16: lot three that that creates very much risk

[1:47:15] Voice 4: and funders will not underwrite it so that creates a

[1:47:19] Voice 4: sense that of obsolescence in fact of projects it's not long enough it's not long enough to

[1:47:28] Voice 4: bring a project to completion so it's uncertain for a funder honestly

[1:47:35] Trustee Maude: but in my mind that this

[1:47:38] Trustee Maude: that is that i would be amenable to say 10 years but by the same concept until the amenity is

[1:47:44] Trustee Maude: provided lot two does not get developed that's that's i'm trying to connect the dots

[1:47:50] Voice 4: yeah and

[1:47:51] Trustee Maude: and if the reason that we're creating lot two is because the amenities are being provided on lot

[1:47:56] Trustee Maude: three that amenity has to exist prior to the release of lot two for development that's where

[1:48:02] Trustee Maude: i'm at okay

[1:48:03] Trustee Maude: because we're because the reason we're having this conversation is all about that amenity

[1:48:09] Trustee Maude: and so it's just we have to conjoin those two things so if five years doesn't work say proposed

[1:48:17] Trustee Maude: 10 years and we'll look at it but still the the the conjoining thing is amenity development

[1:48:23] Trustee Maude: and and because i just i would feel immensely uncomfortable proceeding with development of

[1:48:29] Trustee Maude: lot two if lot three is sitting there in advance it's just it's it's an alignment

[1:48:34] Trustee Maude: and Dan do you have some thoughts about that? Well I mean

[1:48:38] Voice 6: I'm hearing I mean obviously there's

[1:48:40] Voice 6: some conflicting interests being met here and part of it is the family and what I read from

[1:48:46] Voice 6: your letter obviously and I sort of get that and I also understand that there was no uptake or no

[1:48:55] Voice 6: desire to sort of just leave it into a two-law subdivision as opposed to a three-law subdivision

[1:49:00] Voice 6: which would make this a lot easier um but the uh the uh if that's not possible i mean one of

[1:49:09] Voice 6: the things that you guys talked about was at one point was okay if the amenity that we decided upon

[1:49:21] Voice 6: is the actual provision not not a piece of property that's zoned for housing but an actual

[1:49:26] Voice 6: housing project um and for that where you're considering giving an extra density to the

[1:49:34] Voice 6: current landowner um then you've all talked about well maybe what about a different amenity

[1:49:41] Voice 6: um and i think you guys both said if it's clear that's never going to be a housing project

[1:49:47] Voice 6: um could it become something else could it become a conservation area could it become a

[1:49:55] Voice 6: an undeveloped area for something like that i mean i don't

[1:50:00] Voice 6: really i mean i'm like you

[1:50:03] Voice 6: i'm not going to be here probably in five months even if i run again

[1:50:08] Voice 6: and become a

[1:50:09] Voice 6: you know executive

[1:50:10] Voice 6: again i'm not likely to be back on main island again um but uh so but this

[1:50:16] Voice 6: but they're not going to certainly not going to be here probably in five years

[1:50:20] Voice 6: but what does it look like down the road um i mean my my um i shouldn't say hope because i'm not

[1:50:30] a final decision

[1:50:31] Voice 6: but if this comes to fruition the plan is to have a housing project that

[1:50:36] Voice 6: serves the community that's such a great unknown these days and who knows what happens but

[1:50:43] Voice 6: i really am not all that comfortable at giving you sort of my view about what an appropriate

[1:50:50] Voice 6: amenity would be for main island because i don't live here um and but i'm just trying to think how

[1:50:57] Voice 6: you could structure this

[1:50:59] Voice 2: uh

[1:50:59] Voice 6: so that it would look like you're getting something you're comfortable

[1:51:04] Voice 6: with with what it is that the other the current property owner is getting an extra density for

[1:51:10] Voice 6: because that's effectively what it is as

[1:51:13] Voice 14: you say yeah they're getting they're

[1:51:14] Voice 6: getting i mean he

[1:51:15] Voice 6: has his house where they have their house where it is but they're getting if they get a lot too

[1:51:19] Voice 6: to eventually release.

[1:51:21] Voice 6: I don't know, I mean, maybe it's not five years,

[1:51:24] Voice 6: but I agree entirely with you.

[1:51:26] Voice 6: I think if it's making progress and well on the way,

[1:51:31] Voice 6: then I think five years doesn't,

[1:51:33] Voice 6: you could probably release that five years

[1:51:35] Voice 6: and say, yeah, you're far enough along

[1:51:36] Voice 6: because it looks like it's going to happen.

[1:51:39] Voice 1: But

[1:51:39] Voice 6: if in five years, you're not any further

[1:51:41] Voice 6: in terms of getting all your funding on, then what?

[1:51:45] Voice 6: That's what I said when I asked you, then what?

[1:51:50] Voice 6: what do you do with the land then if you're very clear what you don't want is just a

[1:51:55] Voice 6: piece of land that's sewn for a housing project that there is no

[1:52:03] Voice 6: there's no immediate or foreseeable view that the funding is going to be there to make it happen

[1:52:09] Voice 6: which would be I know for your from your perspective the housing side would be a

[1:52:15] Voice 6: a very unfortunate outcome because all the work we've put into it and i'm trying not to say where

[1:52:21] Voice 6: my view is but all the end result of all this from you obviously with all the work that would

[1:52:26] Voice 6: be very unfortunate it

[1:52:28] Voice 16: would be very unfortunate for the work we've put into

[1:52:30] Voice 16: it and for the

[1:52:30] Voice 16: community as well it was this is intended to be and it will be the only

[1:52:36] Voice 4: affordable guaranteed

[1:52:37] Voice 4: affordable rental i

[1:52:39] Voice 6: know and i just i

[1:52:41] Voice 6: mean i'm just talking about a broader picture as you know

[1:52:44] Voice 6: So I'm sitting on three other projects, housing projects, all of which, I don't know this,

[1:52:51] Voice 6: but all of which may possibly get to third reading this term.

[1:52:56] Voice 6: That means there's four on three different islands that are all going to be in the same pot for money,

[1:53:02] Voice 6: or at least some of the same pots, because some of you may take different things.

[1:53:07] Voice 6: Who knows where the money is going to come from?

[1:53:08] Voice 9: Different pots, yes.

[1:53:09] Voice 9: i

[1:53:10] Voice 13: mean there are

[1:53:11] Voice 6: i'm glad there's a variety of everybody's looking at a variety of different

[1:53:14] Voice 6: funding options so anyway so

[1:53:18] Voice 4: we when we look at the oct

[1:53:23] Voice 4: and amenity can also be a well and amenity can also be determined to be something other than

[1:53:29] Voice 4: the housing or the it can be other things other than conservancy so that is something that is

[1:53:37] Voice 4: mentioned in the ocp and we thought that it might be an appealing idea to consider

[1:53:46] Voice 4: for the community to have that as an amenity that could happen

[1:53:51] Voice 16: whether or not the zoning is there

[1:53:53] Voice 16: but certainly we were thinking of it there's different ways that it can go and we have to

[1:53:57] Voice 16: check things out like it could be for instance i know this is probably new for you to be thinking

[1:54:02] Voice 16: about

[1:54:02] Voice 4: and we've been thinking about it so um it could be for instance an immediate amenity as soon

[1:54:09] Voice 4: as the the

[1:54:10] Voice 16: zoning happened the subdivision happened we have a treatment facility in there

[1:54:14] Voice 16: it could be an immediate amenity for an emergency until the housing was built without a sunset cost

[1:54:21] Voice 16: but wording in the in the covenant that speaks to that without it specifically being a sunset

[1:54:27] Voice 16: that clause

[1:54:28] Voice 4: which will increase risk for our funders and it could also be in the event that

[1:54:39] Voice 4: there anyway there's different ways that that could happen so we were actually hoping that

[1:54:44] Voice 4: that would be a consideration for the trust trustees to consider and if that would as we were

[1:54:53] Voice 4: pursuing it if that was an amenity that you could agree to until the housing was built

[1:55:01] Voice 4: then that actually releases the owner that actually releases the owner and

[1:55:06] Voice 16: it allows them

[1:55:08] Voice 16: to be able to do what they need to do i

[1:55:10] Voice 14: guess the downside of all of this is after all this time

[1:55:14] Voice 14: the focus has been on the housing and we've always thought about the housing and and now all of a

[1:55:19] Voice 14: a sudden we're not you know now we're talking about a well versus the housing and the whole

[1:55:25] Voice 14: project was based on the idea of the housing so i still think there has to be something to do with

[1:55:30] Voice 14: the housing and i'm just not sure i understand all the concerns and i don't know whether

[1:55:38] Voice 14: the planner within risk could come back with in printed form for us because you know it's by this

[1:55:44] Voice 14: time of the day we had three days of trust council last week i had a

[1:55:48] Voice 14: zoom meeting this morning about

[1:55:49] Voice 14: out dear and uh so i'm feeling you know at this point not able to come out in a really black and

[1:55:57] Voice 14: white way but i would ask if planner chadwick can come back with some suggestions she

[1:56:04] Voice 6: can i think

[1:56:04] Voice 6: it

[1:56:05] Voice 14: is

[1:56:06] Voice 6: and she's also looking for some ideas where what might be acceptable uh because she has to

[1:56:12] Voice 6: give instructions to the legal counsel right as to what could be contained and what would work and

[1:56:17] Voice 6: what would not work um well i so

[1:56:21] Voice 14: i what i did say was i thought you know you know i understand the

[1:56:25] Voice 14: housing is the amenity but to me it would be reasonable after a five-year time frame to

[1:56:29] Voice 14: release lot two whether the housing was it wasn't built at that point because that's given a

[1:56:34] Voice 14: reasonable amount of time to try and get through most of what you have to get through for the

[1:56:39] Voice 14: housing and in the expectation that at the end of the five years it would circle forward but

[1:56:44] Voice 14: But somewhere after that period of time, it's kind of what happens with the property.

[1:56:49] Voice 14: And then you suggested different housing group ideas and lots of that.

[1:56:55] Voice 4: And

[1:56:56] Voice 14: also, I'm assuming that covenants can be changed by trust committees in the future.

[1:57:00] Voice 14: So if it became a huge hindrance, certainly it can be redone.

[1:57:07] Voice 4: Sorry, go ahead.

[1:57:09] Voice 8: Just that was another option we had discussed internally was five years for lot two.

[1:57:15] Voice 8: And then a different time frame for lot three, and if housing isn't developed in that time, then it would go to something else.

[1:57:22] Voice 8: Why we didn't bring it up today is because what we heard last meeting was what Trustee Mott has brought up, just that the housing, like the amenity needs to be delivered.

[1:57:32] Voice 8: But we're certainly open to a staggered approach, knowing that one way or the other, there will be an amenity.

[1:57:38] Voice 8: And what that amenity is would either be the housing or something else that's agreed upon now.

[1:57:43] Voice 8: So it gives neighbors in the community some certainty, but it just may not be delivered

[1:57:47] Voice 8: for a slightly longer time, if the worst case happens, which we all hope it doesn't, obviously.

[1:57:52] Voice 14: No, no, that makes a little more sense to me, however that comes out.

[1:57:59] Voice 14: So I think there is some flexibility.

[1:58:04] Voice 15: So what I'm hearing, which would likely be useful for everybody, is I can go away and

[1:58:13] Voice 15: and I can draft some options based on this conversation.

[1:58:17] Voice 15: So this has been very useful, because I

[1:58:19] Voice 15: have a number of things that I've identified.

[1:58:22] Voice 15: I just wanted to go through and capture it.

[1:58:27] Voice 15: So one of the options would be looking at a five-year

[1:58:32] Voice 15: for Lot 2, a 10-year for Lot 3.

[1:58:34] Voice 15: What would that look like?

[1:58:35] Voice 15: What would that mean?

[1:58:35] Voice 15: Where would it go?

[1:58:37] Voice 15: There would be the five-year and after five-year period

[1:58:43] Voice 15: review.

[1:58:45] Voice 4: And then there's

[1:58:47] Voice 15: the suggestion that was made by by

[1:58:50] Voice 15: Deborah around what if the water system is developed at five

[1:58:57] Voice 15: years, the covenant could speak to that as well that after five

[1:59:00] Voice 15: years, that property could be used

[1:59:03] Voice 15: if the water treatment

[1:59:06] Voice 15: system is developed. And, and on that, you know, you can discuss

[1:59:11] Voice 15: discuss further if you want to go further and discuss events for neighbors or how that would

[1:59:16] Voice 15: be used that would also be captured in the company can

[1:59:20] Voice 8: i just add to that no for the for

[1:59:22] Voice 8: the well use we could even discuss that happening in the near term so sort of an immediate amenity

[1:59:28] Voice 8: that as deborah said would release the family um you know as soon as all of the approvals get

[1:59:34] Voice 8: finalized and the system can be built um so we would consider that as an interim amenity before

[1:59:41] Voice 8: before the housing gets built but we would also consider it um as the amenity to be considered

[1:59:47] Voice 8: after five years or before the time frame is

[1:59:50] Voice 15: so you can look at a staggered approach

[1:59:53] Voice 15: and now and i'll align it i don't have options so you know in that case for example

[2:00:00] Voice 15: five one of the options would be after after five years if the waters is is developed then

[2:00:07] Voice 15: the lot two can be used but after 10 years you want to see

[2:00:11] Voice 15: you want to see the housing and if that expires then i don't know what that that alternative would

[2:00:19] Voice 15: be

[2:00:19] Voice 14: so in in amongst all of this we really should be sending a letter to our improvement districts

[2:00:27] Voice 14: to find out what value having water available on the island versus trucking it in from town so do

[2:00:35] Voice 14: you need a motion for that to write

[2:00:38] Voice 14: a letter to them all um because it's good we're not talking

[2:00:44] Voice 6: about me writing we're talking

[2:00:45] Voice 14: about staff yeah i mean i move that we request that channel that

[2:00:51] Voice 14: a planner chadwick send a letter to all of our improvement districts to ask what

[2:00:57] Voice 14: the value of having a on island water source uh to um replace lost lost water in their storage

[2:01:06] Voice 14: tanks so what if we call what do you think treated treated treated approved whatever the term is

[2:01:14] Voice 14: because they do have to truck last year that was quite a bit trucked into scan gate

[2:01:20] Voice 14: a lot

[2:01:20] Voice 16: let's

[2:01:22] Voice 4: see what pat got for emotion yes how'd you do pat

[2:01:28] Voice 5: to request planning uh right to all improvement districts i

[2:01:34] Voice 14: should say water and water districts

[2:01:43] Voice 6: to inquire about the value

[2:01:44] Voice 5: of the value of having on island and on island water source

[2:01:49] Voice 5: versus trucking in up island water yeah i

[2:01:52] Voice 6: think that doesn't i think that captures what you got

[2:01:55] Voice 6: yeah is there a second for that motion okay so people to call the voters there's no further

[2:01:59] Voice 6: discussion is it okay so does that sort of

[2:02:03] Voice 15: give you and thank you thank you

[2:02:05] Voice 6: for the course sorry

[2:02:06] Voice 15: the other thing i'll do connected to that is discuss it with william

[2:02:09] Voice 6: around

[2:02:10] Voice 15: capacity yeah

[2:02:12] Voice 6: i mean yeah i mean i'm not hard for me to comment on the value of that as an amenity um to uh make

[2:02:26] Voice 6: to i don't know i don't want to use the word justify that to um to to replace the housing or

[2:02:34] Voice 6: or as an additional one that could be as i said you'll figure that out yeah okay

[2:02:43] Voice 9: well

[2:02:43] Voice 6: you'll come back with options in july yeah when

[2:02:47] Voice 6: we're back because we do have meetings in

[2:02:48] Voice 6: july and um in

[2:02:50] Voice 4: september and october uh

[2:02:52] Voice 6: well we do have a meeting scheduled in october which before

[2:02:56] Voice 6: any new

[2:02:56] Voice 6: trustees are sworn in

[2:02:58] Voice 6: or renewed trustees um and so uh the possibilities of those as well

[2:03:08] Voice 6: anything else related to the housing uh project at this stage i'm not going to move on to uh 11.1

[2:03:19] Voice 7: yes

[2:03:19] Voice 6: it passed you know

[2:03:20] Voice 7: that's where that came it's

[2:03:23] Voice 6: okay um we're at 11.1 which is now the minor

[2:03:29] Voice 6: official community plan this is the follow-up from the public hearing we had earlier and planner

[2:03:34] Voice 6: chadwick uh what i'm going to suggest is you don't need to walk through all of the things that are

[2:03:39] Voice 6: not problematic but perhaps flag for uh the trustees any decision points that need to be made

[2:03:47] Voice 6: and let me consider the multitude of motions that are here yeah

[2:03:55] Voice 15: okay for

[2:03:56] Voice 6: those following along

[2:03:58] Voice 6: we're on page 47 of the agenda package

[2:04:00] Voice 15: um yeah so there are really like uh three items um that

[2:04:07] Voice 15: would that have been um identified uh that could um that that could uh uh be

[2:04:16] Voice 15: We have amendments to the existing draft bylaw, one that's been, yeah, that's been written for the first time.

[2:04:26] Voice 15: So the first is a fairly straightforward with respect to M.N. Felix Jack Park.

[2:04:33] Voice 15: And this is responding to the H.S. in the park being used for passive use.

[2:04:44] Voice 15: um and so specifically um taking out in these site-specific regulation which

[2:04:52] Voice 15: um had previously spoken to what currently existed um taking out picnic tables um because

[2:05:00] Voice 15: that would prevent any additional picnic tables from being added um it it does mean the existing

[2:05:07] Voice 15: what exists can remain but um there will be no additional added so that's the one uh the one

[2:05:13] Voice 15: amendment um the second one um would be uh it's relating to the 797 between so currently

[2:05:26] Voice 15: what's proposed in the draft bylaw is that that zoning on that property would be two for two

[2:05:33] Voice 15: um two dwellings and uh two cottages cottages being basically dwellings that are

[2:05:40] Voice 15: um limited to about a thousand square feet the property owner as we've uh identified previously

[2:05:48] Voice 15: provided a letter asking if uh if trustees could um could zone it to um either allow

[2:05:58] Voice 15: three dwellings in one cottage or or um or or three dwellings in three cottages um and we

[2:06:08] Voice 15: discussed it at the previous meeting and there was an interest um from uh from destiny to uh

[2:06:15] Voice 15: three dwellings and um and one cottage um and some kind of a limitation on size

[2:06:24] Voice 15: um i spoke with the property owner just to see what what kind of size they would be comfortable

[2:06:30] Voice 15: with um and we had discussion and they came up with another option um that they would prefer

[2:06:37] Voice 15: prefer over the limit on total size.

[2:06:40] Voice 15: So the limit on total size of three dwellings

[2:06:44] Voice 15: and one cottage that was arrived at was 15,000 square feet.

[2:06:50] Voice 15: The property owner, again, had sort of suggested

[2:06:53] Voice 15: another option, which would be to just put a limit

[2:06:56] Voice 15: on one of the, basically on the additional dwelling.

[2:07:03] Voice 15: So the property would then be known for

[2:07:07] Voice 15: um a maximum density of three dwellings and one cottage with this four uh area of one of

[2:07:14] Voice 15: the dwellings um not exceeding 4 000 square feet um so i will add that um in my conversations with

[2:07:21] Voice 15: the the property owner uh their interests are to support um family and um and housing for workers

[2:07:29] Voice 15: that they may be hiring for their farming interests.

[2:07:36] Voice 15: They don't have the intention to be building very large,

[2:07:42] Voice 15: exceedingly large homes.

[2:07:44] Voice 15: And their interest in the three houses,

[2:07:50] Voice 15: one over two is that they have a home

[2:07:55] Voice 15: that was owned by their parents and they're wanting to move the home onto their property.

[2:08:04] Voice 15: So that's just sort of giving you a bit of a background there.

[2:08:10] Voice 15: Do you want to discuss those two because they're fairly straightforward first before moving to the other?

[2:08:18] Voice 15: No, I'm comfortable.

[2:08:19] Voice 15: I'm comfortable, yeah, and I'm

[2:08:20] Voice 14: happy with everything that you've got.

[2:08:22] Voice 14: so yep

[2:08:24] Voice 6: which option are you guys leaning option option

[2:08:26] Voice 6: two so

[2:08:28] Voice 15: there's two options

[2:08:33] Voice 15: can i

[2:08:34] Voice 6: just ask a question about that that it says one of the dwellings does not exceed

[2:08:39] Voice 6: four thousand seems huge to me but that's just me um

[2:08:44] Voice 14: but based on what coverage

[2:08:46] Voice 14: no

[2:08:46] Voice 6: i recognize that does that mean the other two could be bigger

[2:08:50] Voice 15: uh yes so yes it could be so um yeah essentially um um they not it's the way that the bylaw is

[2:09:04] Voice 15: it's 10 percent lot coverage um

[2:09:06] Voice 6: it's what sorry 10

[2:09:07] Voice 15: percent oh 10 percent oh yeah that's right

[2:09:09] Voice 15: 10 percent of the rural rural area um again um that's not the the the property owners um

[2:09:16] Voice 15: um are you know they're not considering a huge uh home yeah

[2:09:21] Voice 6: i i think that does open

[2:09:23] Voice 15: i have

[2:09:24] Voice 6: no doubt that that's their intention just um you never know who's going to five years from

[2:09:29] Voice 6: now or whether intentions can change it just i don't know is that okay to leave open there i

[2:09:36] Voice 6: guess it is if they're zoning a

[2:09:38] Voice 6: lot there they could do it now yeah

[2:09:40] Voice 14: they could do it now and

[2:09:41] Voice 14: also isn't south pender like they're reducing house sizes to 3 500 isn't that their proposed

[2:09:47] Voice 14: life

[2:09:48] Voice 5: i think so yeah so

[2:09:49] Voice 14: here so to me that's huge too it is so

[2:09:52] Voice 5: i don't think i think we can i could

[2:09:53] Voice 14: we could argue the size of houses i think the intent here is to do what we can to limit what's

[2:09:59] Voice 14: there and that um i'm told by most most builders and architects the average home i mean is in the

[2:10:05] Voice 14: 2000 range so i don't it is 96 acres so i think in the future if they come back with an amendment

[2:10:12] Voice 6: if you

[2:10:13] Voice 6: guys are comfortable yeah i just wanted to be clear yeah that the other it

[2:10:17] Voice 14: is a lot but

[2:10:18] Voice 6: there are two houses on it already well

[2:10:20] Voice 14: there's a card it's very oh

[2:10:22] Voice 6: that's it yeah well i thought

[2:10:23] Voice 6: there was already one house very dilapidated yeah

[2:10:26] Voice 6: so there's going to be some development

[2:10:29] Voice 6: them down there in the actual walk

[2:10:30] Voice 4: okay

[2:10:32] Voice 6: you two are comfortable let's carry on

[2:10:35] Voice 15: um yeah so there's

[2:10:38] Voice 15: a there is a um um um so the other uh the other um item is with respect to patios uh in the setback

[2:10:52] Voice 15: from the seat and so um i'll see that there had to be a discussion the interest in allowing

[2:10:59] Voice 15: um what's identified here um and the staff report is the language that would um allow for um

[2:11:17] Voice 15: um for patios to be allowed in the setback from the sea um now um I just wanted to to point out

[2:11:25] Voice 15: Steph had a discussion um the discussion with the regional planning manager as well um that

[2:11:33] Voice 15: previously uh the bylaw as read for the first time um there was there would have been no issues

[2:11:40] Voice 15: with no perceived issues with the trust policy statement but potentially making this change

[2:11:49] Voice 15: could potentially have some issues with respect to the the statements around

[2:11:57] Voice 15: around protection of coastal areas so 3.44 and 3.55 speak to that and should the change be made

[2:12:08] Voice 15: uh staff would be identifying the potential um incongruence with that with those two um statements

[2:12:16] Voice 15: um the other thing i wanted to to bring up um is that um i understand that part of the rationale

[2:12:25] Voice 15: is that currently for main island um uh asphalt um concrete can be expanded into the the setback

[2:12:37] Voice 15: right to the the foreshore um and i just did what i wanted to point out that um saturn of south

[2:12:43] Voice 15: pender and north pender have um have regulations that speak um specifically to um with respect to

[2:12:52] Voice 15: the setback from the sea that paving um is um is considered a structure in that particular instance

[2:13:01] Voice 15: that's so that is uh is another thing um that could be considered and i do have um you know

[2:13:08] Voice 15: potentially like some draft language for that if you are interested

[2:13:14] Trustee Maude: questions for the planet well i

[2:13:18] Trustee Maude: guess dad doesn't want me to rant so i won't but

[2:13:22] Trustee Maude: uh it is that

[2:13:24] Voice 4: right

[2:13:25] Trustee Maude: now you can do everything

[2:13:28] Trustee Maude: thing but build a wood patio

[2:13:30] Voice 4: in

[2:13:32] Trustee Maude: the setback from the seat so you can do pavers and concrete paving

[2:13:36] Trustee Maude: all sorts of things that i think are deleterious

[2:13:39] Voice 4: the

[2:13:39] Trustee Maude: most benign thing you can do for a patio and

[2:13:42] Trustee Maude: remembering the definition of patio is just a low flat structure no railings no steps no anything

[2:13:48] Trustee Maude: would be to build that wood so i i would suggest that permitting the most benign thing

[2:13:55] Trustee Maude: is the road that we want to go down and if the next file overview we want to consider removing

[2:14:02] Trustee Maude: the nasty things such as paving and concrete not that's something we could look at but i think it's

[2:14:07] Trustee Maude: positive because it's enabling people to do the benign thing and and i would i would hope the

[2:14:15] Trustee Maude: executive would agree with that because we do allow everything else other than the benign thing

[2:14:22] Trustee Maude: but

[2:14:23] Voice 14: we do run the chance that the executive will reject it but we'll we'll wait and see

[2:14:29] Voice 2: because

[2:14:29] Voice 14: i suspect our bylaw was there before the trust policy statement our bylaws are

[2:14:33] Voice 14: predate policy statement you mean the original yeah a lot of which we still have so so so i

[2:14:41] Voice 14: think if that you know but you're taking a chance because it will be the whole bylaw just for the

[2:14:46] Voice 14: patio so it

[2:14:47] Voice 14: may all come so

[2:14:48] Voice 6: yeah so let me just give you the perspective executive and what we do

[2:14:53] Voice 6: is that when the bylaws come to us as the executive one of the things they do is what

[2:15:01] Voice 6: we do a number i mean the main

[2:15:03] Voice 6: thing we do is we check for consistency with the trust policy

[2:15:07] Voice 6: statement

[2:15:07] Voice 4: um

[2:15:08] Voice 6: which has a series of boxes it's the same form that we had here probably a few

[2:15:14] Voice 6: months ago where we went yeah yeah this all means and staff recommended it met because

[2:15:20] Voice 6: because the the decks weren't allowed in setback and uh if they come and say yeah you know what

[2:15:29] Voice 6: we are not sure that that satisfies the trust policy statement it's not

[2:15:34] Voice 6: the rationale that you're talking about david doesn't does it doesn't come with a judgment

[2:15:39] Voice 6: It comes with, does it or doesn't it meet the Trust Policy Statement?

[2:15:43] Voice 6: And so that's the concern I think that you're stuck with.

[2:15:48] Voice 6: There's some other things that are more of a judgment call, but that one is the one that we look at to see whether or not something offends the Trust Policy Statement.

[2:15:57] Voice 6: Unless you, there is a provision in the Trust Policy Statement implementation policy, that's a mouthful,

[2:16:06] Voice 6: that says that a trust count a local trust committee can give explicit rationale for why

[2:16:11] Voice 6: it wants to have something that is that is contrary to the trust policy statement so we

[2:16:18] Voice 14: should be doing that if

[2:16:19] Voice 6: you want to do that then i think you need to make a motion for that and i'm

[2:16:24] Voice 6: not saying i'm going to support it but i'm saying if you want to do that you should you should make

[2:16:29] Voice 6: the motion that sets out the explicit rationale for why you would pass it a bylaw that might

[2:16:36] Voice 6: defend the trust policies and before

[2:16:40] Voice 14: before he does that i mean basically all these bylaws will

[2:16:43] Voice 14: get rejected everything will come back to us because they're

[2:16:46] Voice 6: not together the whole thing

[2:16:47] Voice 14: will be shut down yeah

[2:16:49] Voice 6: so remember yeah i mean if we if they shoot yeah i don't think we can't

[2:16:53] Voice 6: pipe them off i mean i i don't think we can i've never seen

[2:16:58] Voice 14: that and we can't separate this one out

[2:17:00] Voice 14: from yep well that's a dilemma if

[2:17:05] Voice 6: you want to provide a motion that to attach to this and

[2:17:09] Voice 6: i'm just giving you the procedural way as opposed to the substantive way to approach it is you would

[2:17:15] Voice 6: make a motion or that said to attach to this that says we're passing this because we believe this is

[2:17:22] Voice 6: benign because our bylaws currently allow other forms of platforms or uh our debts close to within

[2:17:32] Voice 6: the setback that are that are more deleterious i mean i mean the answer might be well then get

[2:17:39] Voice 6: rid of those um as opposed to allowing this uh so that's the risk you take and i

[2:17:46] Voice 14: think that's what

[2:17:46] Voice 6: the

[2:17:46] Voice 14: answer will be i don't you

[2:17:49] Trustee Maude: know i don't want to lose

[2:17:50] Voice 14: all of this hard work no

[2:17:51] Trustee Maude: but the thing is

[2:17:52] Trustee Maude: it's literally we get kicked back to us and we would rescind it yeah

[2:17:55] Voice 14: yeah but it would be six

[2:17:57] Voice 14: months from now it

[2:17:59] Trustee Maude: won't it's actually

[2:17:59] Voice 6: scripture without a thing oh well it'll come to you we have

[2:18:03] Voice 6: to do it within 30 days it'll come back at the

[2:18:06] Voice 6: next trustee it'll have we have to do it within

[2:18:08] Voice 6: 30 days or it's deemed to be accepted that's the way it works so it always it ends up on the ec

[2:18:14] Voice 6: see agenda within with before 30 days so if you want

[2:18:18] Voice 14: to take a chance at it but my guess is it's

[2:18:21] Voice 14: going to come back so i just kind of feel like it's a shame yeah

[2:18:24] Trustee Maude: but i just i think this is the

[2:18:26] Trustee Maude: one opportunity to give some common sense and we're trying to protect you well

[2:18:32] Voice 6: i don't know

[2:18:34] Voice 6: you

[2:18:34] Voice 14: guys

[2:18:37] Voice 6: do you want your own but i'm not going to support it because i'm not sure we should be

[2:18:40] Voice 6: encouraging people to put structures in yes and

[2:18:42] Voice 14: the rationale was because of the asphalt now we

[2:18:45] Voice 14: know that in fact we should be changing so there's nothing and there's a

[2:18:49] Voice 14: whole reason for protecting

[2:18:50] Voice 14: the foreshore but

[2:18:52] Trustee Maude: again but you

[2:18:54] Voice 14: were right when you said common sense but on the other hand the

[2:18:57] Voice 14: common sense is missing because we have allowed cement and asphalt because the thing

[2:19:03] Trustee Maude: is you know

[2:19:04] Trustee Maude: is a patio is it's not an unusual thing

[2:19:07] Voice 14: and

[2:19:08] Trustee Maude: and if you can

[2:19:10] Voice 14: get a variance if you want a patio on

[2:19:12] Trustee Maude: your front yeah and with a ten thousand dollar bill attached to it so no one

[2:19:17] Trustee Maude: gives a deal with

[2:19:17] Trustee Maude: what geotechnical they want structural mobility but i think it's

[2:19:22] Trustee Maude: just to me a patio is a normal

[2:19:27] Trustee Maude: thing for somebody to walk in front of their house that this is enabling people to build

[2:19:32] Trustee Maude: the lesser of the evil

[2:19:34] Trustee Maude: is that

[2:19:36] Trustee Maude: we enable all of the evils

[2:19:39] Trustee Maude: but the one that is the lesser of the evil

[2:19:41] Trustee Maude: and

[2:19:42] Trustee Maude: you know that's what I'm

[2:19:44] Trustee Maude: trying to do is use some common sense

[2:19:46] Trustee Maude: saying well we'd rather

[2:19:48] Trustee Maude: see you do this than that

[2:19:51] Trustee Maude: and

[2:19:54] Trustee Maude: the thing is

[2:19:55] Trustee Maude: I would like

[2:19:58] Trustee Maude: to understand how somebody could explain

[2:20:00] Trustee Maude: to me how building a wood deck

[2:20:02] Trustee Maude: is deleterious

[2:20:03] Trustee Maude: to the foreshore well because it's literally it's a wood platform sitting on the ground on top of a

[2:20:13] Trustee Maude: sensitive ecosystem yeah

[2:20:15] Voice 14: because there is actually yeah there's actually that

[2:20:17] Trustee Maude: that's that's i mean

[2:20:19] Trustee Maude: that's the minor but okay but sensitive ecosystem normally it's not a patio it's a lawn yeah

[2:20:24] Voice 14: it's

[2:20:25] Trustee Maude: the sense of ecosystem is getting nipped one way or the other well

[2:20:28] Voice 14: not if we take out

[2:20:32] Voice 14: um so we could

[2:20:35] Voice 15: we could move forward so uh you know if you're worried about the

[2:20:41] Voice 15: bylaw being rejected you could move it forward as is and we can add this to the projects list

[2:20:47] Voice 15: again yeah and create another process around yeah okay

[2:20:51] Trustee Maude: i think we should do that yeah but

[2:20:53] Trustee Maude: i'm not happy rather

[2:20:54] Voice 14: than to rather than to lose

[2:20:56] Voice 14: all the bylaw

[2:20:56] Trustee Maude: well we're not losing we're just

[2:20:58] Trustee Maude: we're working but we're

[2:21:00] Voice 14: putting it in as a separate item and so it can be so we're actually

[2:21:04] Trustee Maude: pulling it

[2:21:05] Voice 1: out of this

[2:21:05] Voice 14: one it'll come on on its own and then it can stand on its own without

[2:21:09] Voice 14: muddying all the other works so do you need a motion what's happening

[2:21:13] Voice 6: it's not there right now

[2:21:16] Voice 6: so i

[2:21:17] Voice 15: don't think and it's not

[2:21:18] Voice 6: in any of the motions from the staff either

[2:21:21] Voice 15: so what i was

[2:21:22] Voice 15: suggesting is uh you just let it go forward as is and then this would be a separate project

[2:21:28] Voice 15: like that would have to go on to the projects okay yeah

[2:21:31] Voice 14: i think that's good because i think

[2:21:32] Voice 14: we should just actually do a whole you know what what is the purpose of so

[2:21:36] Voice 15: you could make a motion

[2:21:37] Voice 15: related to uh patios um being put on

[2:21:42] Voice 14: projects so i move that we put the whole this put the

[2:21:46] Voice 14: conversation about patios in the setback from the sea be they concrete asphalt or wood on the work

[2:21:54] Voice 14: program okay

[2:21:57] Voice 6: i think project was probably

[2:21:59] Voice 14: the better description

[2:22:00] Voice 6: although if we pass this

[2:22:04] Voice 14: oh then we could go

[2:22:05] Voice 6: right away we pass

[2:22:06] Voice 14: flexible housing let's do

[2:22:07] Voice 6: there's nothing left on our

[2:22:08] Voice 6: project on our work it's

[2:22:10] Voice 14: obviously more complicated okay

[2:22:12] Voice 6: so that's been moved is there a

[2:22:14] Voice 6: seconder second okay so i think we've talked about it so is there anybody who wishes to speak or can

[2:22:19] Voice 6: i call the vote although all the paper that passes did you get that i'm sorry

[2:22:25] Voice 6: i mean i know you

[2:22:28] Voice 6: i i know you've been interpreting janine for a number of years

[2:22:33] Voice 6: so you're pretty good at getting just

[2:22:34] Voice 5: treats we've got uh patios in uh setback from the sea

[2:22:43] Voice 5: and construction materials on project list perfect

[2:22:46] Voice 6: thanks very much that's been moved

[2:22:48] Voice 6: in the second or past and now there's a series of other motions but it seems like the ones that are

[2:22:52] Voice 6: in 3a and b we've all agreed upon one

[2:22:55] Trustee Maude: question and it's it's it's just a stupid question but

[2:23:00] Trustee Maude: can we actually regulate picnic tables can we regulate what picnic tables um

[2:23:05] Voice 14: can we actually

[2:23:06] Trustee Maude: tell somebody you can't have a picnic probably um

[2:23:09] Voice 14: but this is public this is public land too

[2:23:12] Voice 14: and

[2:23:13] Voice 6: i think we

[2:23:13] Voice 14: probably could even in residential if we really wanted to because we can't as much

[2:23:17] Voice 6: as we can

[2:23:18] Trustee Maude: election science yeah yeah

[2:23:19] Trustee Maude: but it's kind of the point it's uh it's it's it's just

[2:23:25] Trustee Maude: it's a funny thing for us to pick up it's not us

[2:23:27] Voice 14: this is all coming from the applicant who

[2:23:30] Voice 14: requested it

[2:23:31] Voice 4: and

[2:23:32] Voice 14: um because it's all about decolonizing the park so it's

[2:23:36] Voice 14: about a bigger

[2:23:36] Voice 14: issue it's about reconciliation and what the purpose of the park is and that's why i put

[2:23:40] Voice 14: table so that was not staff's idea or even my idea it's about the idea of putting it back to

[2:23:47] Voice 14: a more natural state

[2:23:48] Voice 6: okay we have some recommended motions if there's nothing further because you've

[2:23:52] Voice 6: already agreed you want to someone want to stop making some of those

[2:23:55] Voice 14: okay i'm a main island local

[2:23:57] Voice 14: trust committee bylaw number 186 cited as main island official community plan number 144 2007

[2:24:04] Voice 14: and seven amendment number two 2021 be read a second time

[2:24:08] Trustee Maude: but just a brief question like we

[2:24:11] Trustee Maude: we've we have two amendments here they're coming so that's on the land use bylaw okay this is the

[2:24:16] Voice 6: ocean okay okay okay second okay yeah we've got i i had the same question when i was reading when

[2:24:22] Voice 6: i realized the work is that we're going to change three uh so that's been moved second any discussion

[2:24:27] Voice 6: if not that passes unanimously go ahead you

[2:24:31] Voice 14: can trade off if you want i'll do one more i move

[2:24:34] Voice 14: that may not local trust committee bylaw number 186 cited as main official community plan bylaw

[2:24:39] Voice 14: number 144 2007 amendment number two 2021 be read a third time is

[2:24:45] Voice 6: our second okay uh any discussion

[2:24:48] Voice 6: all in favor that passes unanimously uh then there's a third one and this is the amendment

[2:24:53] Voice 6: into the land use by law the draft that is specific so this so and and and b

[2:24:59] Trustee Maude: is option two

[2:25:02] Voice 4: okay

[2:25:03] Trustee Maude: so you you psychically figured it out that that's the way we were going

[2:25:07] Trustee Maude: i'm very impressed go ahead uh the main item left the trust committee uh amend file number

[2:25:12] Trustee Maude: 187 says main online land use by one number one four six two thousand eight amendment number three

[2:25:16] Trustee Maude: 2021 as follows by removing picnic tables as permitted structures in the proposed site

[2:25:21] Trustee Maude: specific park zone but and b by committing three dwellings in one cottage with a maximum four area

[2:25:28] Trustee Maude: 372 meters squared for one of the dwellings and the proposed rf site specific zone secondary

[2:25:36] Voice 7: section any

[2:25:37] Trustee Maude: discussion we've talked about both those all in favor that passes and then we could

[2:25:41] Trustee Maude: just keep going reading it may now local trust committee by one number one seven decided as

[2:25:46] Trustee Maude: main island land use power number 146 2008. amendment number three to 2021 be read a second

[2:25:51] Trustee Maude: time as amended okay

[2:25:53] Voice 6: seconded all in favor that passes unanimously okay

[2:25:56] Voice 14: i'll move that main island

[2:25:57] Voice 14: local trust committee bylaw number 187 said it is main island land use bylaw number 146 2008

[2:26:04] Voice 14: amendment number three 2021 reread for a third time

[2:26:07] Voice 6: second okay uh any discussion if not i'll

[2:26:10] Voice 6: is passing unanimously moving

[2:26:12] Voice 14: move that the main island local trust committee bylaw number 186

[2:26:16] Voice 14: cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number two 2021 be forwarded to

[2:26:24] Voice 14: the secretary of the islands trust for approval by the executive committee okay uh

[2:26:30] Trustee Maude: all in favor

[2:26:30] Trustee Maude: uh may not look

[2:26:33] Trustee Maude: at trust me in the 187 says this may not land use bylaw number 146 2008

[2:26:37] Trustee Maude: 8 amendment number three 2021 before we need the secretary of the national island's trust

[2:26:42] Trustee Maude: for approval by the executive committee

[2:26:43] Voice 5: all

[2:26:44] Trustee Maude: in favor and then there's one last one that

[2:26:47] Trustee Maude: the main island local trust committee is bylaw number one eight six second as you know land use

[2:26:51] Trustee Maude: file number one four six two thousand eight amendment number two twenty twenty one be

[2:26:54] Trustee Maude: forwarded to the ministry of municipal affairs for approval second

[2:26:57] Voice 14: all

[2:26:58] Trustee Maude: in favor thanks very much

[2:27:00] Voice 6: so those will probably come at least the bad the ones that the executive the land use file

[2:27:06] Voice 6: although actually nothing will come back because they won't we won't they won't bring them back

[2:27:10] Voice 6: until the ocp has been considered which will take a few months probably not this term

[2:27:18] Voice 6: maybe october i

[2:27:19] Voice 14: just wanted to further follow up on the patio issue i think if we had had

[2:27:24] Voice 14: understood what this the concrete and asphalt and other if we had done a more thorough conversation

[2:27:30] Voice 14: about it it would be really good so i'm glad we're taking it forward but part of that will

[2:27:34] Voice 14: be sort of requesting that report as to why we don't cover the portion or that whatever you call

[2:27:42] Voice 14: the set okay okay can

[2:27:43] Voice 14: i say as

[2:27:44] Voice 6: we keep moving uh flexible housing project we have um more bylaws

[2:27:49] Voice 6: more readings proposed here uh and there's some amendments that are proposed and it's really just

[2:27:56] Voice 6: about the math as i understand yes over to you uh fire chapter thank

[2:28:00] Voice 15: you yeah so yeah this is

[2:28:02] Voice 15: map so the map that was um uh that was through the first reading actually had

[2:28:08] Voice 15: an error um in that it

[2:28:10] Voice 15: it uh it it did not uh it wasn't limited the map the shaded areas weren't limited to the

[2:28:17] Voice 15: residential area so that map needs to be rescinded um so or that that reading needs to be rescinded

[2:28:24] Voice 15: and um and we'll have to go through first reading um again uh so that opens up the opportunity to

[2:28:30] Voice 15: potentially add um a couple of a few more properties um and we've had some discussion

[2:28:36] Voice 15: there's been a a number of properties that have been brought up um uh as potential uh and

[2:28:43] Voice 15: identified um by trustees and by the public um as well so i wanted to just sort of identify

[2:28:50] Voice 15: what those properties are and um and and then the decision will be around which properties

[2:28:57] Voice 15: So we'll need to rescind first reading, and then we'll need to make a decision around

[2:29:04] Voice 15: if there are additional residential properties that you would like to add to the pilot area.

[2:29:10] Voice 15: So the properties that have been sort of brought up as questions around potential are identified

[2:29:18] Voice 15: it on the map on page 64 and uh labeled um a through f um a is a property is a residential

[2:29:28] Voice 15: property um that uh staff sees no or so it's a residential property that um you know has the

[2:29:36] Voice 15: same characteristics as the properties around it so from the other aspects that were evaluated

[2:29:42] Voice 15: evaluated around water and such um there would be no issues with um including that however

[2:29:48] Voice 15: it is a uh it is over 10 acres and so to add up any property those acres would require

[2:29:55] Voice 15: a amendment to the language in the bylaw um to create

[2:30:00] Voice 15: um uh the limit on uh 10 acres to i would suggest 12 if you were going to include that property

[2:30:08] Voice 15: um property b um that is a that property again it does have similar characteristics to those

[2:30:17] Voice 15: around it um it is under 10 acres so it could be included um there's no there's no real uh

[2:30:24] Voice 15: problems identified by staff with adding that properties identified as tsc those properties

[2:30:36] Voice 15: are not are not residential they so they they they've been removed from the map

[2:30:46] Voice 15: the resident identifying the residential areas those are actually or those are actually owned

[2:30:51] Voice 15: by the school board um so they cannot be they cannot be um included in in the project um

[2:31:01] Voice 15: property d uh so that was identified to have a high potential of saltwater treatment so when

[2:31:07] Voice 15: we looked at our maps um it was um sort of covered by clinical area um staff has looked at it a

[2:31:13] Voice 15: little bit more and and and i i've actually included lot d as um as a potential to be

[2:31:21] Voice 15: to be added um because the and this is it would be sort of like um with the warning that

[2:31:30] Voice 15: you know it is important to have to to to you know be conscious of the uh of the potential

[2:31:38] Voice 15: and saltwater intrusion so it's a bit of a it's a bit of a um a call for trustees with respect to

[2:31:44] Voice 15: you know where they want to take that risk to add another person onto onto um a property where there

[2:31:50] Voice 15: is um uh saltwater intrusion but the location of property um is actually ideal in terms of access

[2:31:55] Voice 15: to amenities um property that's identified as the two properties that are identified as e

[2:32:02] Voice 15: these could be um included we only included the ones on the um on the other side of the

[2:32:07] Voice 15: the road there. But again, those properties have similar characteristics of the ones across

[2:32:16] Voice 15: the road. So staff see no reason not to include those. Property F, that was where owner had

[2:32:23] Voice 15: expressed interest in being included in the pilot. And property F, again, it would be

[2:32:34] Voice 15: similar to including property b as it's a larger property uh and you would have to increase the uh

[2:32:40] Voice 15: the uh ability to be in the in in the zoning to allow um for flexible housing in a lot of times

[2:32:49] Voice 15: to 12 uh because of course to 10. um staff are have also a step so staff are

[2:33:03] Voice 15: recommending that if you did include either b or f that they should actually both be included

[2:33:09] Voice 15: because they are very similar um the alternative there we discussed before i noticed you have

[2:33:14] Voice 15: discussed the expanding the project to look at larger lots so it also considering the future so

[2:33:22] Voice 15: um the sort of clear ads that um that are in the recommendations recommended um resolution

[2:33:30] Voice 15: are the areas that are identified as e so those are the ones that are near um

[2:33:43] Voice 15: B, which is the property that is a smaller cross from the fire, and D, which is that

[2:34:00] Voice 15: that small one again uh just with the caveat that um you know there's

[2:34:04] Voice 15: just

[2:34:05] Voice 4: one

[2:34:11] Trustee Maude: question possible um if we do something here are we delaying the process

[2:34:18] Voice 15: no so

[2:34:19] Trustee Maude: so if we do something here no matter what we do we're not mucking with the process nope

[2:34:24] Voice 15: we're just changing the map and we're going you know uh you're going to read you're going to listen

[2:34:29] Voice 15: in first reading we're going to read it again and then we move forward and we'll have our public

[2:34:32] Voice 15: and we

[2:34:33] Voice 6: have to rescind the first reading because it's got c in it anyway we got to take that's right

[2:34:36] Voice 15: yeah that's

[2:34:38] Voice 4: right so we have to

[2:34:39] Voice 6: do that so that's and then we just decide which one we want to add

[2:34:42] Voice 6: if any

[2:34:43] Voice 4: um

[2:34:44] Voice 6: okay sure any other questions which ones do you want to uh or you want to just do

[2:34:52] Voice 6: the residual person go ahead trust me but

[2:34:55] Voice 14: i just think we should put them all in because they're

[2:34:57] Voice 14: all within a core area of where you would want to see development in terms of the school the health

[2:35:03] Voice 14: center grocery stores etc um kind of interested about lot d and salt intrusion so i assume

[2:35:10] Voice 14: there's a well somewhere i've never heard of salt water in that area like i know exactly whose house

[2:35:16] Voice 14: it is but i won't say um so so i think it should be included it makes sense in terms of the area

[2:35:22] Voice 14: yeah

[2:35:22] Voice 6: so do you mean only e b and d no

[2:35:24] Voice 14: i mean all of them should be sorry so

[2:35:26] Voice 6: we have to actually

[2:35:27] Voice 6: if you do that we have to amend the bylaw

[2:35:29] Voice 14: okay a b c d e and f so

[2:35:32] Voice 6: that means um so

[2:35:34] Voice 14: the bylaw okay

[2:35:35] Voice 14: so

[2:35:35] Voice 6: let's do this one step at a

[2:35:37] Voice 14: time let's rescind okay i'll start with that the main island local

[2:35:40] Voice 14: trust committee first reading of bylaw 184 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008

[2:35:47] Voice 14: 8008 amendment number two 2021 be rescinded okay

[2:35:51] Voice 6: okay all in favor so that passes and i think we

[2:35:55] Voice 6: can do the second motion because that takes out the c okay

[2:35:58] Voice 14: so i move that main uh local trust

[2:36:00] Voice 14: committee amend plan one attached to bylaw 184 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146

[2:36:07] Voice 14: 2008 amendment number two 2021 by deleting the non-residential properties

[2:36:13] Voice 14: so

[2:36:14] Voice 6: the seconder so any discussion all in favor so do we have a motion here to put the uh to put the

[2:36:22] Voice 6: 10 acres 12 acres in you can add those uh

[2:36:24] Voice 15: that one's not there so you could say um uh be amended

[2:36:28] Voice 15: by um increasing the maximum um but

[2:36:34] Voice 6: what's what section of the bylaw is that

[2:36:37] Voice 15: um that would be

[2:36:40] Voice 15: be that section 27 uh two point so two points so it would be um five in the bio will be 3.1 so it's

[2:36:49] Voice 15: it's in the proposal it's under 2.7 so it would be 3.1 of the bylaw and so you're looking at 3.1c

[2:37:02] Voice 15: um page 67. okay

[2:37:07] Voice 6: so they would read on lots having an area of 1.2 at three acres or greater

[2:37:12] Voice 6: and not exceeding four hectares 10 acres and that would read that would how

[2:37:17] Voice 6: many hectares is 12 acres

[2:37:22] Voice 14: i have exceeding on lot area okay so could we just say five characters

[2:37:30] Voice 14: 10 acres

[2:37:31] Voice 6: equals

[2:37:33] Voice 14: so five five hectares is 2.2 12

[2:37:38] Voice 4: acres it's 2.2 okay so it's it's

[2:37:47] Voice 15: it's four point

[2:37:47] Voice 15: let's say four point it's four point eight five six so

[2:37:52] Voice 14: let's make it five

[2:37:52] Voice 15: okay can i just make

[2:37:54] Voice 14: a motion right now okay

[2:37:56] Voice 14: i move that the manor local trust committee bylaw 180 do i have to do

[2:38:00] Voice 14: all that 84 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number two 2021 be

[2:38:08] Voice 14: amended uh on to say on lots having an area of 1.2 hectares or greater and not exceeding 5 hectares

[2:38:18] Voice 14: 10 8 12 acres or whatever it is three dwellings in a cottage are am i reading from the right spot

[2:38:24] Voice 14: okay are permitted if the total combined square footage of all dwellings and cottages does not

[2:38:30] Voice 14: exceed 436 meters square 4750 square feet so

[2:38:36] Voice 6: what we did is she took 2.7 of the draft bylaw

[2:38:40] Voice 6: and amended c you've got that well i did do that

[2:38:47] Voice 6: that's what you're doing okay um so that will amend the bylaw and make that okay so you're

[2:38:54] Voice 6: doing that so that's been moved

[2:38:55] Voice 5: yeah we

[2:38:56] Voice 6: got a new dude and we are good with the motion

[2:38:59] Voice 5: yeah so basically to yeah amend under 2.7 to amend i even see correct

[2:39:05] Voice 6: to read

[2:39:06] Voice 5: it's actually

[2:39:07] Voice 5: 3.1 of the bylaw

[2:39:08] Voice 15: but

[2:39:09] Voice 6: that's that's in the that's in

[2:39:12] Voice 6: the intro to 2.7 right it

[2:39:14] Voice 14: talks about 3.1

[2:39:15] Voice 6: despite so what we're really doing is amending 2.7 yeah

[2:39:20] Voice 14: 2.7 c okay uh to read

[2:39:24] Voice 14: okay

[2:39:25] Voice 6: okay okay and you got the language okay so that's been moved seconded by trustee mod

[2:39:29] Voice 6: okay all in favor thank you and then we can go back up and you will want to add a b not c

[2:39:40] Voice 1: but

[2:39:41] Voice 6: a b d e and f so that one right

[2:39:47] Voice 6: okay so i want to make that motion

[2:39:49] Voice 6: you don't want to

[2:39:49] Trustee Maude: make that much okay

[2:39:50] Trustee Maude: thanks but the main island local

[2:39:53] Trustee Maude: trust committee meant by

[2:39:55] Trustee Maude: plan one attached by two bylaw wanting are

[2:39:57] Trustee Maude: cited as maine island land use bylaw number 146 2008.

[2:40:02] Voice 4: amendment

[2:40:03] Trustee Maude: number two through 2021 to include those laws identified on the map in the june

[2:40:08] Trustee Maude: 27 252 staff report as a b e d d they're not in order here oh a

[2:40:18] Trustee Maude: b d e and f all right

[2:40:20] Voice 5: to

[2:40:20] Trustee Maude: the areas where the flex south is permitted got it

[2:40:25] Voice 5: second

[2:40:25] Voice 14: got that okay all

[2:40:28] Voice 14: in favor that

[2:40:28] Voice 6: passes you now i'll

[2:40:30] Voice 14: read the last one okay the main

[2:40:32] Voice 14: island local trust committee bylaw 184 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008

[2:40:38] Voice 14: amendment number two 2021 be read for the first time as amended okay

[2:40:42] Voice 6: all the favor great now

[2:40:45] Voice 6: i think it would be useful to follow up on trustee bod's question earlier we don't want to hold up

[2:40:51] Voice 6: the process what kind of timeline are you looking at what do you want to do how do we move this

[2:40:56] Voice 6: forward do you have any suggestions which

[2:40:58] Voice 15: question are you referring to what

[2:41:02] Voice 6: do we do now that we've

[2:41:03] Voice 6: given it first oh

[2:41:04] Voice 15: yes so we you you've already passed an amendment uh to schedule public hearing

[2:41:08] Voice 15: so that's what will happen next next meeting uh

[2:41:12] Voice 15: the public hearing will be uh scheduled for the

[2:41:15] Voice 15: july july meeting um notices will be sent out uh this week

[2:41:21] Voice 6: all right thank you that was my question

[2:41:25] Voice 6: i just wasn't clear i i know we talked we we've done that it's just if we can get it done

[2:41:31] Voice 6: anything else we want for that before we do the last bit of business

[2:41:41] Voice 6: 20 to 4. we'll wait for uh trustee dodds to come back with some water how how warm is it outside

[2:41:50] Voice 6: very warm it's probably looks like

[2:41:53] Voice 9: it's a little overcast it

[2:41:54] Voice 5: would be okay to have a girl except

[2:42:03] Voice 6: um last next is uh 11.3 which is a page 71 which is the the fees bylaw which takes us back to to

[2:42:11] Voice 6: the question that was asked last term we've got the answers to all the questions uh do you want

[2:42:18] Voice 6: to report on this planner chadwick or should we just talk about it amongst ourselves uh what would

[2:42:22] Voice 15: you like me to do i'm happy to go through your questions but amongst yourselves you want to go

[2:42:28] Voice 15: back to abc then just

[2:42:29] Trustee Maude: well yeah yeah because i i wouldn't prefer to go back to apc because

[2:42:32] Trustee Maude: the questions were from the apc and there were sort of middle deliberations so i kind of think

[2:42:39] Trustee Maude: it would be the appropriate procedure to to set us back to apc so i would move we'll

[2:42:48] Voice 14: be able to

[2:42:48] Voice 14: and i'll second the motion

[2:42:49] Voice 14: that we've heard the apc because we'll still get it back before the

[2:42:53] Voice 14: end of our term to pass it i know but in fairness those were their questions they were their

[2:42:59] Voice 6: questions yeah in fairness those were all of the apc's questions and um so your motion is what have

[2:43:07] Voice 6: you got i

[2:43:08] Voice 5: have uh i don't understand where the most i

[2:43:11] Voice 6: think the motion is to refer the staff

[2:43:13] Voice 6: report back to the agency

[2:43:15] Voice 5: for the fee bylaws for

[2:43:17] Voice 9: final consideration yeah

[2:43:19] Voice 5: to htc for further

[2:43:22] Voice 5: consideration final final final

[2:43:24] Voice 5: final they're

[2:43:29] Voice 14: really good they're good with answers okay

[2:43:32] Voice 6: with information all right um and

[2:43:36] Voice 14: can i just interject that we heard when we had the trustee

[2:43:39] Voice 14: reports at trust council how some islands were having a really rough time with their new fee

[2:43:44] Voice 14: bylaw the concept of us going through the apc was to disseminate it amongst the community

[2:43:49] Voice 14: so that we wouldn't get slammed it's a very

[2:43:52] Voice 6: mixed bag yeah um you go across active pass

[2:43:57] Voice 6: and it was a non-issue um and you go to north pender and and it's a huge issue so

[2:44:04] Voice 6: uh depends on where you go and nine of the 13 local trust communities have adopted the feed

[2:44:12] Voice 6: not includes the leans with chelsea so let's say eight of the twelve have

[2:44:16] Voice 6: adopted it and then

[2:44:17] Voice 6: there's four including this one in saturn and north pender and uh i think it's still denman

[2:44:24] Voice 6: that are still considering um for different reasons

[2:44:27] Voice 6: i might add um so um i'm still considering

[2:44:31] Voice 6: south pender fasting um and uh anyways that's

[2:44:37] Voice 14: everybody's mad about the housing size no

[2:44:39] Voice 6: it's

[2:44:40] Voice 6: because one of the trustees there is a developer in vancouver and he looked at these fees and says

[2:44:46] Voice 6: those are crazy low so that's why it has as

[2:44:51] Voice 4: i understand um

[2:44:52] Voice 6: or a very reasonable guess is what

[2:44:55] Voice 6: he said anyway there's a motion on the table to refer this to the apc it was seconded by trustee

[2:44:59] Voice 6: dodds uh is there any further discussion uh all in favor we'll pass that to that staff

[2:45:04] Voice 16: staff reported what they did correct

[2:45:06] Voice 6: sorry the staff report dated um july june 27th thank you

[2:45:12] Voice 6: and there is a player chat with you can send it off to i don't know who the chair is yeah

[2:45:20] Voice 6: yeah and uh and just ask them if they can get a report to add a response back

[2:45:25] Voice 6: once they can see the questions that'd be great okay uh there's nothing more on that

[2:45:31] Voice 6: that we've got our work program report which is at page 80 uh we're getting down um uh are there any

[2:45:38] Voice 6: any changes or or questions related to that um i can tell you what the groundwater sustainability

[2:45:44] Voice 6: project um north pender and galliano both have it on theirs they're moving at different at different

[2:45:53] Voice 6: I don't want to call it paces they're just moving in or even different

[2:45:59] Voice 4: ways different

[2:46:00] Voice 6: ways yes I

[2:46:01] Voice 6: would say they're moving in different ways we actually have if anybody's interested

[2:46:05] Voice 6: a presentation regarding this project on July 26th I want to say yes on

[2:46:15] Voice 6: Galeano I haven't

[2:46:17] Voice 6: figured this out yet but I'm assuming it'll be streamed but I haven't I haven't figured

[2:46:23] Voice 6: of logistics anyway so uh that's um just for your information anything from trustees related to that

[2:46:30] Voice 4: no

[2:46:30] Voice 6: we have the applications report uh we just added something to the top priority the projects

[2:46:36] Voice 6: report um which was already which is just patio and when the you know i think i think you can

[2:46:45] Voice 6: say that number one and number two um are getting to the point where we're

[2:46:52] Voice 6: you know they're going to come off our top priorities report ocp uh applications report

[2:46:58] Voice 6: trustee local expenses assume you're still not spending any money and adopted policies and

[2:47:08] Voice 6: standing resolutions yada yada we're down to the chairs report 12.6 um let me just i'll just report

[2:47:16] Voice 6: that you may hear from your own trustees

[2:47:19] Voice 6: who have their own perspective.

[2:47:21] Voice 6: We had a, I'll call it quite an interesting

[2:47:24] Voice 6: trust council last week.

[2:47:27] Voice 6: It was, we have received the engagement report

[2:47:35] Voice 6: related to the trust policy statement

[2:47:39] Voice 6: that is a fulsome read.

[2:47:43] Voice 6: I'll just call it a fulsome read.

[2:47:45] Voice 6: it's uh about 170 pages am i right about that i think um which which summarizes all of the feedback

[2:47:54] Voice 6: from all of the engagement that occurred regarding the trust policy statement and it's been

[2:47:59] Voice 6: effectively referred to the trust programs committee who is having an in-person meeting

[2:48:04] Voice 6: on july 8th to consider recommendations to the to the trust council in september

[2:48:12] Voice 6: that's a very short way of of discussing what occurred there was some exchange about what

[2:48:18] Voice 6: people had heard about the trust policy statement we made a few motions uh including a motion

[2:48:24] Voice 6: uh to remove desalination from the prohibition list of the of the um and it was close vote

[2:48:32] Voice 6: um it wasn't unanimous um uh and uh there were a couple of others and maybe my my co-trustees

[2:48:41] Voice 6: remember what the other were the other ones

[2:48:42] Voice 6: were but but

[2:48:44] Voice 1: there were a couple

[2:48:44] Voice 6: of other motions to

[2:48:45] Voice 6: to amend one was to add a glossary one was a request to ask them to restructure it to take

[2:48:51] Voice 6: the directive policies and put it somewhere else so that they're ready more easily anyway those

[2:48:57] Voice 6: were the discussion items there was also a um a couple of other motions the governance committee

[2:49:03] Voice 6: was struck um and has been now staffed uh an interim i call it interim but it's not really

[2:49:10] Voice 6: lead in term it's a permanent governance committee uh in response to the governance report that came

[2:49:15] Voice 6: out so we now have a governance committee and there was election related to that and seven

[2:49:20] Voice 6: people have been um have been uh elected to the governance committee and they'll be meeting over

[2:49:25] Voice 6: the next two or three months to make it in some recommendations for the june trust council and

[2:49:30] Voice 6: to lead into the next term and as well there was the motion that was got a fair amount of

[2:49:36] Voice 6: of a publicity i'm assuming to ask the province to do um a sort of high level review of the

[2:49:43] Voice 6: structure of the trust passed as well with i'd say it was about 22 to 2 it was pretty unanimous

[2:49:50] Voice 6: there were a couple of voices that weren't in favor but it was it was a fairly substantive

[2:49:54] Voice 6: support for that motion um and

[2:49:59] Voice 14: the the ones that were in favor it was more of the sort of

[2:50:02] Voice 14: what should come first i think that was part of some felt that we should i think that was what

[2:50:06] Voice 14: was expressed yeah

[2:50:07] Voice 9: i know it

[2:50:08] Voice 14: was not so much outright rejection correct right how we should

[2:50:12] Voice 14: actually be doing all the

[2:50:14] Voice 14: different things we're doing right

[2:50:15] Voice 6: so those things are going to unfold

[2:50:17] Voice 6: as they unfold over the rest of this term and and you hear me keep saying this but of course you all

[2:50:22] Voice 6: know we're coming to the end of the term um and uh that elections are october the 15th um and so um

[2:50:32] Voice 6: we'll have one more trust council meeting and the executive remains very busy and engaged with all

[2:50:38] Voice 6: the local trust committees that are trying to finish all their work this term and so we're

[2:50:43] Voice 6: getting lots of work coming up through the executive for approval um from all the local

[2:50:48] Voice 6: the trust committee not just this one uh that's my report i'll turn it over to your local trustees

[2:50:56] Trustee Maude: well we all survived the calvary music festival which was a fine event mother nature really

[2:51:02] Trustee Maude: cooperated and everybody got on the island everybody got off the island sometimes with

[2:51:06] Trustee Maude: challenges but uh that was it was good to sort of get back into the swing of things

[2:51:11] Trustee Maude: um wanted to thank uh trustee rogers or chair rogers and the the trust council as a whole for

[2:51:19] Trustee Maude: the two fellow deer letters they were both very well written very much on point and very well

[2:51:25] Trustee Maude: received and that energy hopefully builds momentum towards what is still a very serious issue on

[2:51:32] Trustee Maude: island um otherwise it's been too busy it's such an original yeah

[2:51:38] Voice 14: well it was a great weekend and

[2:51:40] Voice 14: at the farmers market and having the music festival perform at the markets as well as others

[2:51:45] Voice 14: was obviously a good way to welcome summer on a positive note and didn't hear anything negative

[2:51:52] Voice 14: at all trust council was full of some pretty major heavy-duty discussions and it's just

[2:51:57] Voice 14: unfortunate that it's the end of the term for trust council which traditionally i will say

[2:52:04] Voice 14: has about a 50 turnover but hopefully the governance committee will maintain some core

[2:52:09] Voice 14: members in the next election and we'll move forward i think for everyone there's certain

[2:52:14] Voice 14: been a lot of criticism of the trust policy statement criticism how trust operates but i

[2:52:20] Voice 14: think that what they don't realize the critics is that actually all of the trustees are on the same

[2:52:25] Voice 14: page working towards the same goals to kind of find our way through how do we preserve and protect

[2:52:31] Voice 14: in this era where we desperately know we all need more housing and we need all sorts of issues and

[2:52:38] Voice 14: climate change is here lots and lots of struggles traffic to not enough ferries it's a very

[2:52:45] Voice 14: challenging time for individual trust committees and for trust council as a whole right now so

[2:52:50] Voice 14: I think it's always amazing that the 26 trustees argue and debate and sometimes have almost a split

[2:52:57] Voice 14: vote but are always and that was the governance report said that every single trustee interview

[2:53:03] Voice 14: you might have a different opinion but they're all basically dedicated to the idea that they want to

[2:53:08] Voice 14: be part of the islands trust and that they want their islands to continue to be protected and

[2:53:15] Voice 6: just on that note two other things that i shouldn't leave without noting two other um

[2:53:20] Voice 6: motions that were passed by the west council one was from uh trustee rockefeller galliano

[2:53:26] Voice 6: which asked the province to develop a i'm paraphrasing here and i want to be i don't

[2:53:32] Voice 6: want to mistake what it was because um i don't have the exact wording in front of me but it was

[2:53:36] Voice 6: basically for them to ask the province to develop in coordination with communities and and first

[2:53:41] Voice 6: nations a fulsome uh biodiversity uh preservation scheme for the province i mean that i mean i

[2:53:49] Voice 6: that may not be the exact language but that was the point of it the other one was in response to

[2:53:55] Voice 6: a delegation that came from denman island uh was that we passed a motion to ask for a help me guys

[2:54:04] Voice 6: a fossil free future

[2:54:06] Voice 4: yeah fossil

[2:54:09] Voice 6: fuel yeah

[2:54:15] Voice 4: anyway effectively

[2:54:16] Voice 6: asking them to be joined up all sorts of other municipalities and local

[2:54:22] Voice 6: governments and urging the government to develop a a plan towards a fossil free fossil fuel free

[2:54:29] Voice 6: future that's and that can't be that's too much alliteration to have been in the motion so

[2:54:34] Voice 6: so it must have been some modification of that um uh so anyway that then that was an interesting

[2:54:41] Voice 6: that was also uh almost unanimous vote um and those two motions passed but uh as well so those

[2:54:49] Voice 6: there'll be some work and something to build on well

[2:54:52] Voice 14: and the other thing at trust council was the

[2:54:53] Voice 14: national marine what's called the protection area which is the federal government declaring

[2:54:59] Voice 14: this area sort of from the gorilla down has been going on for quite a few years but it sounds like

[2:55:05] Voice 14: that process is going to be ramped up once more the concept behind it of course is to protect the

[2:55:10] Voice 14: waters but it would be all under one jurisdiction which would be the federal government right now

[2:55:15] Voice 14: it's quite fractured so when a boat sinks who looks after it you know when there's an oil spill

[2:55:20] Voice 14: who's responsible so it would give us much better much better communication much better protection

[2:55:26] Voice 14: so that was a presentation that we've heard for quite a few years over and over but hopefully

[2:55:32] Voice 14: this time around they'll finally pursue it and and get it happening yeah

[2:55:36] Voice 6: that's parks canada

[2:55:37] Voice 6: and there but you're right it sort of seemed to fall off the the agenda for three or four

[2:55:44] Voice 6: years yeah maybe even more than three or four years but they're they were back and presenting

[2:55:48] Voice 6: as was by the way uh the port of vancouver yeah that was

[2:55:51] Voice 6: really presentation presenting around

[2:55:55] Voice 6: anchorages in the southern gulf islands in the end he got some pretty pointed questions from

[2:56:00] Voice 6: the trustees about what what you know what what's right what's wrong and i'm not sure he gave any

[2:56:06] Voice 6: definitive answers because a lot of it falls under transport canada but it was an interesting

[2:56:10] Voice 6: in presentation um so that's the end of our reports uh islands trust conservancy reports

[2:56:16] Voice 6: there isn't one i can just tell you the island's trust conservancy is i really think is rocking

[2:56:21] Voice 6: and rolling they're really getting a good stride right now uh they just renewed their their federal

[2:56:27] Voice 6: grant for um uh invasive no endangered species one called invasive species uh and so they they

[2:56:35] Voice 6: they they are continuing to to work on that and there's lots of great things happening with the

[2:56:40] Voice 6: conservancy um 13.1 is you wanted to talk about questions about the foreshore well

[2:56:45] Voice 14: yes so just

[2:56:46] Voice 14: for information um what is what is the situation with we allow stairs in the setback but when

[2:56:55] Voice 14: somebody puts cement or stairs on because there is actually i think a fair number of structures

[2:57:02] Voice 14: is going on to the foreshore right now without people maybe being aware of of whether how permits

[2:57:09] Voice 14: that they require um so

[2:57:11] Voice 15: you're gonna put you're allowed to have stairs in the setback in the set

[2:57:16] Voice 15: back to access the water just

[2:57:17] Voice 14: to high tide as

[2:57:18] Voice 15: soon as anything is built in the foreshore you need a

[2:57:20] Voice 15: lease a

[2:57:21] Voice 14: lease okay okay i couldn't remember um there is a bylaw file open right now and uh and

[2:57:26] Voice 14: it seems to me so so they would just have to apply for a lease which they may or may not get

[2:57:32] Voice 14: the provincial provincial okay

[2:57:33] Voice 14: okay and then

[2:57:35] Voice 14: tied into that i was also and and that's the one thing

[2:57:38] Voice 14: that i found this last couple of years far more inquiries directed certainly to trustees than in

[2:57:45] Voice 14: the past lots of people asking questions do we have any idea what's happening with doc permit

[2:57:50] Voice 14: applications or anything to do with docs um i know that

[2:57:55] Voice 15: people have been waiting years yeah

[2:57:57] Voice 14: yeah

[2:57:57] Voice 15: yeah that's all i know too i don't have any other information i'd ask

[2:58:01] Voice 6: you mean that the

[2:58:03] Voice 6: provincial moratorium yeah

[2:58:04] Voice 14: well but some people have actually done like two years and spent money

[2:58:08] Voice 14: and done reports and then their applications were frozen they're all held up yeah and they're all

[2:58:13] Voice 14: held up because of the moratorium but we were never given any sort of rationale or or what what

[2:58:18] Voice 14: the program was to why they were doing the moratorium number one and then what the planned

[2:58:24] Voice 14: steps were in terms of what they were looking at and what the final i can look into that oh that

[2:58:28] Voice 14: would be wonderful if

[2:58:30] Voice 6: you do i'd like to know i don't think there's any public yeah

[2:58:34] Voice 14: yeah you can

[2:58:34] Voice 14: get some insight into the dark situation mostly especially for people who've already expended

[2:58:40] Voice 14: considerable amounts of money into having a doc that's unfortunate the

[2:58:44] Trustee Maude: question about the stairs

[2:58:45] Trustee Maude: Just to be clear, we permit stairs within a setback from the sea.

[2:58:53] Trustee Maude: So you come down, and say you intrude into the foreshore. Is that an Isles Trust bylaw issue?

[2:59:04] Voice 15: That's in the main island land use bylaws.

[2:59:08] Trustee Maude: Yeah, but the stairs are permitted. So

[2:59:10] Trustee Maude: let's say I'm a bad person, and I go two feet into the foreshore.

[2:59:15] Trustee Maude: then

[2:59:15] Voice 15: that becomes provincial but

[2:59:17] Trustee Maude: is it an island stress violation or is it a

[2:59:19] Voice 6: provincial referral

[2:59:20] Voice 6: well my understanding is always it's two things one is is whether your your bylaw

[2:59:26] Voice 6: permits that kind of a structure in the marine area and it probably does not

[2:59:34] Voice 6: most marine areas i've seen would never permit something like that in the marine area but but

[2:59:40] Voice 6: And then what Marissa is talking about is if you want a structure in the marine area,

[2:59:48] Voice 6: in any case, even a dock, you've got to get a permit for it, right?

[2:59:52] Voice 6: It's the province that governs the actual permit.

[2:59:56] Voice 6: I'm just wondering what your bylaws say about structures.

[3:00:00] Voice 14: in

[3:00:00] Voice 6: the marine area i

[3:00:01] Voice 14: think dave's question is if someone makes a bylaw complaint to our bylaw

[3:00:06] Voice 14: officer about the cement structure in the foreshore is it up to our bylaw officer

[3:00:14] Trustee Maude: but it's probably but and i guess it's not unique to main island but it's one of those things i

[3:00:19] Trustee Maude: think at some point there should be a sheet saying if you're building stairs if you're working in the

[3:00:24] Trustee Maude: foreshore you're building x a dog stairs whatever these are the thing the boxes you need to check

[3:00:30] Trustee Maude: because it's an interesting question

[3:00:31] Voice 14: well and i suspect that right now that we have and i know

[3:00:34] Voice 14: we have numerous structures on the foreshore that are not permitted everything is completely

[3:00:40] Voice 14: driven so i think there is a misunderstanding as to what you can or can't do on the foreshore

[3:00:44] Voice 14: something that maybe we can look into yeah as a project

[3:00:48] Voice 14: okay

[3:00:49] Voice 6: i like those ones

[3:00:53] Voice 6: change um uh next is our next regular meeting is oh we have to there's a request we move it

[3:01:01] Voice 6: from the 18th to the 25th okay i'm not quite sure how it got to be the 18th in the first place but

[3:01:07] Voice 6: um i don't want there's a i don't know what people think

[3:01:10] Voice 7: no problem for me

[3:01:12] Voice 7: can i have a motion there that that

[3:01:15] Voice 6: should be rescheduled for

[3:01:18] Voice 6: monday i'll do it i'll move that the main island local trust committee regularly scheduled meeting

[3:01:22] Voice 6: for monday july 8 we reschedule for monday july 22nd okay no discussion all in favor that passes

[3:01:30] Voice 6: uh just a note because we talked about this um we have the july meeting we have one at the end

[3:01:37] Voice 6: of september technically and i don't you i'll ask you two to decide this we have one at the end of

[3:01:42] Voice 6: october which is still the three of us because the new or renewed trustees are not

[3:01:48] Voice 6: sworn in until

[3:01:49] Voice 6: november so they're that we're still the legally constituted local trust committee uh for that

[3:01:54] Voice 6: october 24th scheduled date and we'll just talk maybe uh in july or in september as to whether

[3:02:02] Voice 6: whether

[3:02:03] Voice 14: we need it whether we'll do that whether

[3:02:04] Voice 14: we can get all our business finished okay

[3:02:07] Voice 6: so we

[3:02:08] Voice 6: we have a second uh community comment town hall period so over to you is there anybody who wishes

[3:02:15] Voice 6: to speak to the local trust community yes go ahead

[3:02:20] Voice 16: thank you i'd like to speak i have a question

[3:02:22] Voice 16: around um there was a motion put forward to the council around creating a housing council

[3:02:30] Voice 16: asking the province to create a housing council i believe it went to the advisory

[3:02:35] Voice 16: regional

[3:02:36] Voice 4: regional regional planning committee has is there any um remember what we did update

[3:02:43] Voice 4: or response about that

[3:02:44] Voice 6: um they're both on

[3:02:46] Voice 4: it i can tell you my

[3:02:48] Voice 6: understanding is that is that

[3:02:50] Voice 6: the regional planning committee created a working group to work on what the language

[3:02:55] Voice 6: so it's still with the regional planning if you

[3:02:58] Voice 6: wanted to know more about the read that you could

[3:03:01] Voice 6: could talk to the chair who's laura who's shaken um uh or i know that laura patrick

[3:03:08] Voice 6: vice chair patrick's also very involved and she's also on the regional planning committee

[3:03:13] Voice 6: uh so one of those two but you might want to talk to the chair okay we're

[3:03:18] Voice 6: in the scenario

[3:03:18] Voice 6: right now where we we currently don't have a director of planning because the director

[3:03:24] Voice 6: of planning has now become the manager of legislative services so he's david marler

[3:03:30] Voice 6: so he's sort of acting filling it in but there is an active recruitment process going on right now

[3:03:36] Voice 6: which hopefully will

[3:03:37] Voice 14: be shorter than longer

[3:03:39] Voice 6: and

[3:03:40] Voice 14: we are shorter staffed in general yeah

[3:03:42] Voice 14: we're always short anyway

[3:03:43] Voice 6: but so i might ask war would shake indirectly or more

[3:03:46] Voice 14: thank you okay

[3:03:48] Voice 6: any other questions or comments for the little for the little trust thank you

[3:03:54] Voice 4: very much

[3:03:54] Voice 6: nice and most of you hung in through the whole latte um and so did we so thank you

[3:04:00] Voice 6: i'm going to adjourn and i'll look forward to seeing you at four o'clock

[3:04:03] Voice 6: i look forward to seeing you on july

[3:04:06] Voice 12: the 20th my visit

[3:04:26] i'm

[3:04:30] Voice 5: it's quite a bit of a thing right now and we have to do a survey

[3:04:39] Voice 6: are you you're coming tomorrow are you coming on next monday to galliano for the heat for the for

[3:04:46] Voice 6: the community information meeting so

[3:04:48] Voice 5: we can offer that out now and start again then okay

[3:05:01] we're trying to figure out

[3:05:18] Voice 9: make sure that people

[3:05:31] But anyway,

[3:05:32] Voice 6: I do see I am as much as much your show as it is ours.

[3:05:39] Voice 9: So no, I think that's absolutely you guys.

[3:05:42] Voice 9: I mean, you gotta leave it out of the room for questions.

[3:05:46] Voice 9: Brad has to be out of there.

[3:05:48] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:05:48] Voice 9: Okay, we're ready. Yeah.

[3:05:51] Voice 2: Yeah.

[3:05:52] Voice 2: I am.

[3:05:54] Voice 16: Yeah.

[3:05:56] Voice 2: Yeah.

[3:05:57] Voice 2: Yeah.

[3:06:00] Yeah.

[3:06:01] Yeah.

[3:06:05] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:06:06] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:06:11] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:06:12] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:06:13] Voice 4: i'll document it but i would like to hear it i'd like to get it but

[3:06:18] Voice 12: there is no

[3:06:23] Voice 6: I'm going to drink.

[3:06:57] Voice 4: 26

[3:06:58] Voice 6: is a part

[3:07:00] Voice 4: of a community

[3:07:05] Voice 9: they tried

[3:07:19] Voice 4: We'll have a policy at

[3:07:20] Voice 9: the end of the day, right?

[3:07:21] Voice 4: Yeah, I think so.

[3:07:22] Voice 4: We'll

[3:07:22] Voice 9: have some words

[3:07:23] Voice 4: to have on that.

[3:07:24] Voice 4: But you've got their votes.

[3:07:25] Voice 4: So let them ask.

[3:07:27] Voice 4: Yeah, go ahead.

[3:07:29] Voice 4: And you can perfect for you.

[3:07:30] Voice 4: OK.

[3:07:30] Voice 4: Great.

[3:07:31] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:07:32] But the point is, this is a 30-second conversation.

[3:07:34] I know you're safe.

[3:07:35] Yeah.

[3:07:35] And it's a good question.

[3:07:36] I don't think you're not.

[3:07:37] But hopefully, the question is, I'm telling you.

[3:07:40] Voice 4: I can't help you with that, Derek.

[3:07:42] Voice 4: Don't worry.

[3:07:43] Voice 1: We're good.

[3:07:44] Voice 1: But you're not.

[3:07:48] Voice 4: You're not.

[3:07:48] Voice 4: We're good.

[3:07:49] Voice 1: Thank you.

[3:07:49] Voice 1: Thank you.

[3:07:49] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:07:50] Voice 1: Thank you.

[3:07:50] Voice 1: You're welcome.

[3:07:51] Voice 1: All right.

[3:07:51] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:08:25] Voice 4: now we're going to apply for

[3:08:27] Voice 4: now we

[3:08:28] Voice 1: have to go on

[3:08:30] Voice 1: now we have to

[3:08:31] Voice 4: do the one

[3:08:36] Voice 4: And then, and then, and then it

[3:08:41] Voice 4: all has to be done, right?

[3:08:47] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:09:27] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:09:32] Voice 4: So, right.

[3:09:56] Voice 4: Well, I am, I'm not sure.