Islands Trust Council special meeting, July 4, 2022

[0:00:39] Voice 17: Okay, we're just waiting for Brad.

[0:01:36] Voice 4: I don't know where Brad is.

[0:01:55] Voice 4: Well, we can do what we did last time, which is do the, uh, start and do the trustee role.

[0:02:11] And, uh,

[0:02:12] Voice 17: we're sort of reluctant to start now, so there's starting to be some progress

[0:02:57] Voice 17: I

[0:03:00] Voice 8: was trying to find

[0:03:01] Voice 17: where the best was.

[0:03:27] I've

[0:03:41] Voice 4: joined us online.

[0:03:42] Voice 4: We're just waiting for the planner to show up.

[0:03:45] Voice 4: And people are arriving at the hall.

[0:03:48] Voice 4: We'll be starting shortly.

[0:03:50] Voice 4: I'm sure there's more chairs.

[0:03:59] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:04:00] Voice 4: I had to keep some people just like, yeah, trouble, it might be, yeah, no, but

[0:04:55] this is a different,

[0:05:18] Voice 5: my

[0:05:21] Voice 10: goodness, you're fine,

[0:05:37] Voice 8: okay,

[0:05:54] Voice 5: so that explains, it's

[0:05:56] Voice 17: 85, oh, it is,

[0:06:03] oh it is

[0:06:04] Voice 4: oh you're here

[0:08:13] Voice 4: okay we're gonna start with the trustee report so we might as well get going i'll see you in a

[0:08:20] Voice 4: minute okay uh so thank you everyone if i can get you to take your seats i have a number of people

[0:08:31] Voice 4: here in the hall today uh this is the and uh welcome to folks that are uh joining us online

[0:08:39] Voice 4: this is the and in fact i'm going to take this off while i'm speaking i've been told that the

[0:08:44] Voice 4: recording doesn't pick up very well if you're wearing a mask this is the uh regular meeting

[0:08:51] Voice 4: of july the 4th of the galliano local trust committee um and we're happy to be here on

[0:08:58] Voice 4: on Galliano Island and I want to just take a moment

[0:09:02] Voice 4: and acknowledge that we're of course meeting

[0:09:05] Voice 4: on the traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples

[0:09:10] Voice 4: and on Galliano, a particularly long history

[0:09:13] Voice 4: of a number of Coast Salish peoples.

[0:09:17] Voice 4: It's always interesting to see where the referrals have gone

[0:09:20] Voice 4: because I think the last referral I saw from Galliano

[0:09:23] Voice 4: went to 13 different First Nations

[0:09:25] Voice 4: We all have connections in one way or another to and have had from millennia to this area in particular, Penelope, of course.

[0:09:34] Voice 4: We're very honored to be here. This is a time in our country of deep reflection.

[0:09:40] Voice 4: And I know there's some great work going on on the Galliano that we've read about online.

[0:09:45] Voice 4: I haven't had the pleasure of being part of it, but I know there's some fabulous work and some interesting discussions going on.

[0:09:53] Voice 4: and meaningful discussions for a lot of people um so this is a our regular meeting um as i said

[0:10:04] Voice 4: our business meeting for um we have a couple of special meetings this month as well but this is

[0:10:10] Voice 4: the regular meeting agenda uh the agenda has been online for over a week now and uh is available

[0:10:17] Voice 4: online for anybody who wants to uh to view it as we're going this this meeting is being

[0:10:22] Voice 4: uh recorded and also being uh live broadcast um when i say live i am conscious of the fact that

[0:10:33] Voice 4: that there is approximately a 30 second delay between for whatever reason i don't know

[0:10:39] Voice 4: technical enough between the time that we do what we do here live and appearing on the live

[0:10:45] Voice 4: broadcast hopefully that's all operating correctly and i started it and it appears to be

[0:10:50] Voice 4: uh operating correctly if anybody at um watching this uh feels like the uh the uh the broadcast is

[0:10:58] Voice 4: not going correctly and you occasionally had a glitch please send me a an email at d rogers at

[0:11:03] Voice 4: items trust.bc.ca um and uh d r o g r s um so that's what's occurring here we will of course

[0:11:14] Voice 4: be going through the live meeting here uh as well and again the recording for this meeting will be

[0:11:20] Voice 4: up online probably within a couple of days so well so i'm very pleased to be here my name is

[0:11:29] Voice 4: for those of you haven't met me i i recognize most of the dates but not all of them my name is dan

[0:11:34] Voice 4: rogers and i'm one of the executive members of the island's trust and i've had the pleasure for

[0:11:40] Voice 4: the last three years and eight months of being the uh the chair assigned to the galley and local

[0:11:49] Voice 4: trust committee the way our the act is structured this is one of the bike one of the vice chairs of

[0:11:55] Voice 4: the uh the audience trust is um assigned to each of the island local trust areas and sits as the

[0:12:03] Voice 4: third member of the local trust committee you of course most of you i'm sure will know your

[0:12:09] Voice 4: who are local trustees, Trustee Jane Wilmerton

[0:12:11] Voice 4: and Trustee Tahira Arakapala,

[0:12:14] Voice 4: who I'm very pleased to work with.

[0:12:17] Voice 4: And so we, between us, make up the local trust committee.

[0:12:22] Voice 4: As well, we have available here to us,

[0:12:25] Voice 4: we have Carly Bilney, who's the recorder for this meeting.

[0:12:30] Voice 4: Thank you, nice to see you, Carly.

[0:12:31] Voice 4: We have the planner for the island, Brad Smith,

[0:12:34] Voice 4: who you'll be hearing from from time to time today.

[0:12:36] Voice 4: day as well where we uh i didn't know he was coming but it's nice to see william shulma who

[0:12:42] Voice 4: is the uh fresh water specialist with the island's trust uh and i'm guessing is here to perhaps

[0:12:49] Voice 4: address some of the issues on some of the applications but water is always a uh a concern

[0:12:54] Voice 4: and a consideration um uh as we move particularly through any of the applications uh yeah go ahead

[0:13:04] Voice 4: two

[0:13:04] Voice 8: former trustees uh okay

[0:13:06] Voice 4: i know i see trustee i see sheila anderson's here

[0:13:10] Voice 4: oh i didn't see sandy come in she's somewhere oh there she is yes thank you knowledge thank

[0:13:18] Voice 4: you for your the work that you've done uh all over the years uh on galley animals nice to see

[0:13:26] Voice 4: you both again um so uh yes just uh we have probably 35 people i'm guessing in attendance

[0:13:36] Voice 4: here in addition to the people you see on your on your screen uh we have a number of things on

[0:13:42] Voice 4: the agenda so let's just get started unless either you need to say anything beginning you're going to

[0:13:46] Voice 4: do your trustee reports in a minute though is there anything you'd like to add to the agenda

[0:13:50] Voice 4: yeah yes trustee uh

[0:13:53] Voice 8: yes i would like to add um one motion regarding the uh this is probably

[0:13:59] Voice 8: going to be under new business regarding the october 3rd ltc meeting and two motions also

[0:14:05] Voice 8: probably under new business regarding galley it's

[0:14:13] Voice 17: just like i'm going to put the motion regarding

[0:14:24] Voice 16: I'm proposing three motions that will come under new business one regarding the date

[0:14:30] Voice 16: of the October meeting and two regarding

[0:14:33] Voice 6: galley okay

[0:14:35] Voice 4: so I'll put those under new business

[0:14:37] Voice 4: they're not on the agenda we'll talk about them obviously when we get to galley and trustee

[0:14:42] Voice 4: rockefeller will be for keys yeah

[0:14:44] Voice 15: there's an item under

[0:14:45] Voice 4: applications for

[0:14:46] Voice 15: gala sorry well there is

[0:14:50] Voice 16: one okay all right i missed that oh you're right i'm i apologize it is there sorry it is

[0:15:02] Voice 12: it is on

[0:15:02] Voice 12: the agenda already what is gala

[0:15:04] Voice 12: yeah that's 15.2 oh

[0:15:10] Voice 4: you're right uh i missed it as well because

[0:15:13] Voice 4: it wasn't under the application reception um thanks very much uh so we don't need to add that

[0:15:19] Voice 4: anything else to move things around add anything to the agenda um i i it's not on our agenda today

[0:15:27] Voice 4: and i can talk about later but i do want to i do want to suggest that under correspondence

[0:15:33] Voice 4: we have two pieces of correspondence that i it's unfortunate they aren't agenda that came

[0:15:39] Voice 4: related to the um rogers tower uh cell tower one from the chair of the apc and one from

[0:15:46] Voice 4: mr ryback who's also working this issue and i think we should ask uh we should put them on

[0:15:51] Voice 4: the next agenda so that we can talk about them unless you want to talk about them now

[0:15:56] Voice 4: okay so with that i'll take the uh agenda approved as amended and i see a hand but this isn't really

[0:16:07] Voice 4: the time for unless it's a point of procedure no

[0:16:10] Voice 8: somebody's actually just open the door for

[0:16:12] Voice 8: um

[0:16:13] Voice 4: sure as long as everybody in the back is not too cold i think you can do we've left that door

[0:16:19] Voice 4: open and uh absolutely please everybody's okay with that i think it's probably a good thing

[0:16:27] Voice 4: i wanted to say um i do want to say that we do encourage people i know i take my mask off to

[0:16:35] Voice 4: to talk, but we do encourage people to wear their masks.

[0:16:38] Voice 4: Everybody has probably heard the news this morning,

[0:16:41] Voice 4: that there's a news cycle, and the news cycle is

[0:16:43] Voice 4: that they're expecting a big increase,

[0:16:46] Voice 4: another wave of one of the variants of Omicron.

[0:16:50] Voice 4: Although the person I heard said they didn't expect it

[0:16:53] Voice 4: to be as serious as past waves in terms of the illness,

[0:16:58] Voice 4: but it's probably a good idea if we continue

[0:17:00] Voice 4: and they're recommending people do.

[0:17:02] Voice 4: So we're asking people to,

[0:17:03] Voice 4: too, but we don't have a mandate to require people to wear them. There's no mask mandate in place

[0:17:08] Voice 4: right now. I'll be putting mine on when I'm not talking, which some people will think is never.

[0:17:14] Voice 4: But we'll move now into the agenda. We've had approved the agenda. The first item up is the

[0:17:23] Voice 4: trustee reports, and this is where your trustees get a chance to report on what they've been

[0:17:27] Voice 4: working on and bring items to your attention. So who would like to go first?

[0:17:39] Voice 7: So I just wanted to let people know, this is just in light of

[0:17:44] Voice 16: the number of people on

[0:17:48] Voice 16: the island this past weekend, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 1600 people arrived from Tawasin

[0:17:54] Voice 16: to Galeano.

[0:17:55] Voice 16: So that's not including any boats from Swartz Bay.

[0:17:59] Voice 9: So if you have felt like there were a lot of people here, there were.

[0:18:05] Voice 7: I just also want to mention that at Trust Council, progress was made on the issue of trust governance.

[0:18:12] Voice 7: And a standing committee of seven trustees was

[0:18:16] Voice 8: formed through an election.

[0:18:18] Voice 9: Our trustee, Trustee Rockefeller,

[0:18:20] Voice 16: was elected along with Lee Middleton from Saturna,

[0:18:23] Voice 16: Tim Peterson from the Speedy, Kate-Louise Stanford from Gambier,

[0:18:26] Voice 16: Case Longerice from Gabriela and Laura

[0:18:30] Voice 9: Patrick from Salt

[0:18:32] Voice 8: Spring and Alex Allen from Hornby.

[0:18:34] Voice 8: So it's quite a good representation geographically of the Trust Council.

[0:18:40] Voice 8: So this

[0:18:41] Voice 16: committee will make recommendations regarding the next steps and priorities in the Trust governance matters.

[0:18:46] Voice 16: matters. Along with this was passed a resolution to ask the

[0:18:50] Voice 16: BC government to send a letter to the BC government to ask

[0:18:54] Voice 16: them to review the trust and etc. So personally, it's been a

[0:19:03] Voice 16: really busy month. There's been a lot of inquiries regarding

[0:19:05] Voice 16: zoning,

[0:19:06] Voice 6: water licenses, reconciliation, and temporary

[0:19:10] Voice 6: use permits um so trustee wilburton covered

[0:19:15] Voice 9: what i was going to talk about um but that's okay i had

[0:19:20] Voice 6: a

[0:19:20] Voice 9: the other part um at trust council i did make a motion to advocate province to implement several

[0:19:26] Voice 9: gross strategic review recommendations and that was supported unanimously by the council and we'll

[0:19:31] Voice 9: go forward to the bcm um that's it for me hey

[0:19:37] Voice 4: um just give me a second first took a bite just

[0:19:41] Voice 4: thinking you'd be longer

[0:19:42] Voice 9: um

[0:19:45] Voice 4: so uh just to report one other thing about press council

[0:19:52] Voice 4: um one of the highest profile things trust has done in this last term in this term is that um

[0:20:01] Voice 4: we've had a review of the trust policy statement it has not been a smooth road that we've traveled

[0:20:10] Voice 4: undoubtedly you have all many of you have seen a lot of the communication that's gone out from

[0:20:16] Voice 4: other groups on various islands related and um galliano but also the discussion on

[0:20:21] Voice 4: on social media and material that's gone out that's been extremely critical of the

[0:20:28] Voice 4: of the of the trust and our process related to the trust policy statement

[0:20:33] Voice 4: and the issues that are there some of it well-meaning some of it unfounded but in any case

[0:20:42] Voice 4: about this time last year almost exactly this time last year we decided as a trust council

[0:20:48] Voice 4: that despite the fact that we had some plans to try and get to first reading and through the

[0:20:53] Voice 4: process in the in this final year of the term we put it on pause and decided to do a further

[0:20:59] Voice 4: their public engagement process around the trust policy statement um there is an extensive report

[0:21:07] Voice 4: in the last trust council package um along which includes a couple of pages which summarize the

[0:21:14] Voice 4: various uh suggestions from staff that trust council can look at about amending the trust

[0:21:21] Voice 4: policy statement um as we continue going forward um and uh so the uh that we received that report

[0:21:33] Voice 4: on in a trust council in june and uh on friday of this week the trust programs committee which

[0:21:42] Voice 4: is made up of i think it's 10 or 11 of the trustees of the trust are meeting in a nine

[0:21:50] Voice 4: all to make recommend to review that report in detail spend the day together to go over

[0:21:55] Voice 4: the various recommendations and make some recommendations to trust council uh regarding

[0:22:03] Voice 4: what might be done with trust policy state um should note that trust council made i

[0:22:10] Voice 4: itself made at least three and i may be misremembering some um

[0:22:16] Voice 4: motions to to make some amendments to the draft new dress policy statement one was to remove the

[0:22:23] Voice 4: restriction on desalination uh and that passed um not without some lengthy discussion

[0:22:32] Voice 4: uh a second was to ask that it be that consideration given to rewriting the trust

[0:22:38] Voice 4: policy by taking the directive policies out of the main body and having them as a separate appendix

[0:22:44] Voice 4: I guess that the theory was that was for readability to make it easier to read and the third item was at least there may be been other for the other motion was to create a glossary as an appendix as well so there's a glossary of terms and index so that you can go and say what did they mean by this this term I assume they're talking about things.

[0:23:05] Voice 4: so the trust has started to sort of tweak it and respond to some but

[0:23:09] Voice 4: there will be undoubtedly a number of other recommendations coming out of the

[0:23:15] Voice 4: trust programs committee in its meeting on friday and the work that they asked the staff to do in

[0:23:21] Voice 4: september we have one more trust council meeting this term um which is in september and um also

[0:23:30] Voice 4: it's also virtual um one of the things we did is we did we've done virtual meetings twice a term

[0:23:37] Voice 4: twice a year in order to as a as a uh as a budget cutting exercise but and also an access exercise

[0:23:46] Voice 4: so it all it's uh it's a virtual meeting it's it's interesting we have so much on our plate

[0:23:52] Voice 4: at the end of the term um i think people have been around the trust would say oh by now they're

[0:23:58] Voice 4: sort of coasting to the end but we're definitely not coasting between the governance report and the

[0:24:04] Voice 4: trust policy statement um and other matters that are still outstanding so um that's my report as a

[0:24:11] Voice 4: as a member of the executive uh and uh uh the about what happened to trust council there's

[0:24:19] Voice 4: a lot of other things going on which is our regular business of course um at the executive

[0:24:24] Voice 4: committee for example i'm the i have executive committees having its liaison annual liaison

[0:24:29] Voice 4: meeting with the trust conservancy next week and there are other meetings that are continuing

[0:24:34] Voice 4: through july august tends to be the time when people go on vacation so there's not as much

[0:24:39] Voice 4: that occurs but this year may change that um so that's uh my report as the chair

[0:24:46] Voice 4: so now is the time for town hall and questions um for the local trust committee uh i want to

[0:24:54] Voice 4: to remind you a few things that what we're doing

[0:24:57] Voice 4: in terms of the local trust committee.

[0:24:58] Voice 4: First of all, if you're an applicant,

[0:25:00] Voice 4: you do not need to speak during the town hall.

[0:25:03] Voice 4: You'll have your opportunity to speak

[0:25:05] Voice 4: when your application is actually heard.

[0:25:07] Voice 4: And I know there's a few applicants here

[0:25:09] Voice 4: and I have one on the line.

[0:25:12] So you don't need to speak during

[0:25:14] Voice 4: applications.

[0:25:15] Voice 4: We give the applicant an opportunity to speak directly

[0:25:19] Voice 4: to their application and to the staff report.

[0:25:21] Voice 4: um i've reminded you on a number of minded i remind people on a regular basis that we ask

[0:25:30] Voice 4: three basic um uh things during the town hall uh one is is that you address us as the local

[0:25:39] Voice 4: trust committee and it's not an opportunity for uh discussing things with your neighbors and and

[0:25:45] Voice 4: and aiming your message or commentary to other people in in the community this is about talking

[0:25:52] Voice 4: to us about the work that we do and what you want us to know about a particular issue or get

[0:25:58] Voice 4: clarification the second thing is um i it's really important and you've heard me say this you've been

[0:26:06] Voice 4: here a number of times to talk about issues and not people um one of the things that you know

[0:26:14] Voice 4: we've heard from time to time is that people um don't like to come to these meetings because it

[0:26:20] Voice 4: feels like it's it's uh it can be aggressive at times and that and that it gets personalized so

[0:26:26] Voice 4: please address issues that are on our agenda and not people including people you see sitting in

[0:26:33] Voice 4: front of you and the reason for that is this is our workspace and it's entitled it's entitled

[0:26:38] Voice 4: we're entitled to have it be a safe workspace our staff and the trustees are entitled to that

[0:26:44] Voice 4: and of course we want to make it a safe space as much as we can for everybody that's here

[0:26:49] Voice 4: um so that's that's important uh the third thing of course is we ask that i ask require that

[0:26:56] Voice 4: everybody's everybody's um uh commentary be respectful and appropriate use appropriate

[0:27:03] Voice 4: appropriate language uh so um and that's really important that we keep that i don't like to

[0:27:09] Voice 4: interrupt people when they're speaking but you will have seen me do that from time to time when

[0:27:14] Voice 4: i thought the people straight over the other thing is is what i've learned is is that galliano

[0:27:19] Voice 4: um very much has a history of very extended town call much more so than almost any other island

[0:27:30] Voice 4: and I think that happens occasionally on other islands.

[0:27:33] Voice 4: So I have started an institute perhaps late in the process

[0:27:37] Voice 4: at a two and a half minute time limit to speak.

[0:27:41] Voice 4: I think most people can make,

[0:27:43] Voice 4: you can make your points in those two and a half minutes

[0:27:46] Voice 4: and it allows everybody the opportunity to speak.

[0:27:50] Voice 4: So I'll be monitoring that.

[0:27:52] Voice 4: Not very good at that.

[0:27:53] Voice 4: I acknowledge that I don't.

[0:27:56] Voice 4: Not very good as a timekeeper.

[0:27:59] Voice 4: that's not my uh my coordinate but i will be setting the timer and ask you to stop after

[0:28:05] Voice 4: when we hear the timer so thank you very much for assisting me and assisting everyone in here

[0:28:12] Voice 4: in that regard um so to that extent then we have a scenario where we know that uh there are two

[0:28:21] Voice 4: applications on our agenda where one or the other the trustees is refused um so we have to work our

[0:28:27] Voice 4: way through this in an orderly in an orderly fashion and i'm going to suggest that we start

[0:28:34] Voice 4: with um asking if anybody has anything they wish to say about uh anything um other than one of the

[0:28:44] Voice 4: applications i i uh something not related to any application so not related to crystal mountain

[0:28:50] Voice 4: not related to to galley or diggers or any of the applications on our agenda but something more

[0:28:56] Voice 4: more general. Does anybody wish to speak to anything in that regard? Yes. Go ahead.

[0:29:04] I'm

[0:29:05] Voice 9: concerned about

[0:29:06] Voice 6: the COVID rate on the island and the intending CIM tonight and the fact that

[0:29:12] Voice 6: it doesn't give people the opportunity to participate by Zoom and making them to watch

[0:29:19] Voice 6: and so i'm just wondering

[0:29:21] Voice 9: whether they ought to see that they're in consideration to

[0:29:25] Voice 9: this opening the cim until uh arrangements for a hybrid meeting to be made thank

[0:29:33] Voice 4: you um

[0:29:37] Voice 4: we've talked about we talked about the logistics of that tonight and i think

[0:29:41] Voice 4: uh the plan is to go ahead and and um to hold of the meeting as we've said and and what we're

[0:29:48] Voice 4: going to do is as we start the uh the cim portion because remember this is a question

[0:29:53] Voice 4: and answer not a public hearing the public hearing will be fully uh but

[0:30:00] Voice 4: this is not so what we're going to do both trustee rockefeller and myself are going to offer to

[0:30:06] Voice 4: anybody watching on the live stream to accept emails from people that says i have this question

[0:30:13] Voice 4: send it to us and we'll put that out to the to the community i appreciate that people are concerned

[0:30:19] Voice 4: and we don't we're doing what we can thank you for that commentary though and we got your email

[0:30:25] Voice 4: be able this morning to answer that.

[0:30:27] Voice 4: Anybody else want to speak about anything

[0:30:29] Voice 4: other than one of the applications that are on our agenda?

[0:30:33] Voice 4: Okay, then I'm going to suggest that

[0:30:36] Voice 4: rather than recuse anyone,

[0:30:37] Voice 4: we're going to ask if anybody wish to speak about

[0:30:42] Voice 4: one of the applications on our agenda

[0:30:44] Voice 4: other than Giggers or Galley,

[0:30:46] Voice 4: which would be, there's a Fox application,

[0:30:49] Voice 4: there's a different couple of another application

[0:30:51] Voice 4: and there's Crystal Mountain on our agenda.

[0:30:53] Voice 4: People wish to speak to that.

[0:30:56] Voice 4: Okay, let's start with over here. Go ahead, Chiwan.

[0:31:03] Voice 8: Yes, thank you. I actually would like to just ask a question of the LTC.

[0:31:12] Voice 8: And that is whether you would please reconsider your

[0:31:19] Voice 3: past decision to allow Fiscal Mount Society

[0:31:21] Voice 3: study to advertise and operate their combination facilities.

[0:31:31] Voice 8: So I have here a letter, which we couldn't get to you before

[0:31:39] Voice 3: this meeting. I'll give you a copy of it. And we'll email it

[0:31:43] Voice 3: later. But um, myself and we're just laying out why we

[0:31:52] Voice 3: think we should reconsider that because we're concerned primarily about the process itself

[0:31:59] Voice 3: and the sense that it isn't fully open and fair because

[0:32:03] Voice 8: they are being allowed to just carry on

[0:32:06] Voice 8: and often we've heard the term they're just getting into compliance but really

[0:32:12] Voice 3: they're

[0:32:13] Voice 3: not they're doing more than that they're increasing the intensity and density of

[0:32:17] Voice 3: the land use they have on their property now so um that was all i was just going to say

[0:32:31] thank

[0:32:40] Voice 10: you so

[0:32:47] Voice 4: that is that you're finished yes thanks very much

[0:32:50] Voice 4: um okay i saw another hand yes sorry

[0:32:56] Voice 9: yeah i could i

[0:32:57] Voice 4: see john there thank you sir we got

[0:32:59] Voice 4: through larry yes i got i read your letter from yesterday as well

[0:33:02] Voice 4: good afternoon thanks for taking my questions so at last month's uh lcc meeting uh the ltc

[0:33:20] Voice 4: freshwater consultant mr show was said that the provincial water authority might require a more

[0:33:28] Voice 4: rigorous 24 or 72 hour pump test to the well at crystal mountain as part of the application

[0:33:35] Voice 4: process for a commercial water license. The 2015 12-hour contest is currently the basis

[0:33:44] Voice 4: of the Crystal Mountains Groundwater Management Plan, but it has been criticized as inadequate,

[0:33:52] Voice 4: failing to demonstrate well stabilization, and below the potential scale. Why, then,

[0:34:00] Voice 4: is the LTC staff recommending proceeding to a community information meeting on behalf

[0:34:06] Voice 17: happened at

[0:34:06] Voice 17: this time shouldn't

[0:34:09] Voice 4: the ltc avail itself of all relevant information pertaining

[0:34:13] Voice 4: to groundwater including forthcoming information from the provincial water court before proceeding

[0:34:20] Voice 4: to a community even commission meeting might this information influence the ltc's decision

[0:34:26] Voice 4: as to whether or not a community information meeting is appropriate at this time thank you

[0:34:34] Voice 10: mr robert all right i'm just making a note of your question i

[0:35:09] Voice 17: saw yes it's miss it's recent

[0:35:13] Voice 4: isn't it it's hard to tell from this distance um

[0:35:16] Voice 6: dear to hear jane and dan i'll be brief

[0:35:21] Voice 6: the new disposal that you're being asked to move to the cif today for crystal mountain

[0:35:26] Voice 6: has little improvement over

[0:35:28] Voice 9: previous proposals it's apparent that you are trying to zone the

[0:35:32] Voice 9: the good people of crystal mountain rather than the property that they are on i will remind you

[0:35:38] Voice 6: that it's your responsibility to zone land not to zone the new proposal uses the same numbers for

[0:35:45] Voice 6: sustainable yield of the central well which are not dependable by any existing standards

[0:35:50] Voice 6: and the use per person which is significantly less than the very provincial standards of the

[0:35:55] Voice 6: water management plan sites in addition you're being asked to approve four times no limit on

[0:36:01] Voice 6: how many days that would be of 60 people a number

[0:36:04] Voice 8: that cannot be supported

[0:36:06] Voice 8: by the potable animal

[0:36:07] Voice 8: non-potable water and which would have

[0:36:09] Voice 6: significant community impact the request itself shows the

[0:36:13] Voice 6: complete disregard for the ecological limitations of the land that crystal mountain is on

[0:36:19] Voice 6: and for the community that they are operating within but my main point today relates to

[0:36:25] Voice 6: fragmentation last meeting the chair asked the project manager if this development

[0:36:30] Voice 8: results in

[0:36:31] Voice 8: fragmentation and even he who's the spokesperson for this project was not able to say that it was

[0:36:37] Voice 8: not a fragmented proposal i am qualified to answer that

[0:36:42] Voice 8: question the

[0:36:44] Voice 6: proposal is fragmented for two

[0:36:46] Voice 6: reasons the design breaks the property into five distinct sections each of the two strips of

[0:36:53] Voice 6: proposed nature preserve, parallel to Horley Pass Road, are isolated from the others by development

[0:36:59] Voice 6: infrastructure. Only the strip above the proposed upper development, which abuts the crown land,

[0:37:06] Voice 6: has ecological value and is unfragmented because of its relationship to the adjacent property.

[0:37:13] Voice 6: Number two, the design of

[0:37:14] Voice 6: the development itself also fragments the remaining property.

[0:37:18] Voice 6: Having 17 huts and tent platforms dispersed around Area A means that the dispersed nature

[0:37:25] Voice 6: of the design results in a footprint that also fragments the development area.

[0:37:31] Voice 6: Please do not pretend that this design is not fragmented.

[0:37:35] Voice 6: You can try

[0:37:36] Voice 8: to write a

[0:37:36] Voice 6: justification that you're ignoring the trust policy with regards

[0:37:40] Voice 8: to forest identification, but

[0:37:42] Voice 6: don't pretend it's anything other than a

[0:37:45] Voice 5: fragmented forest

[0:37:46] Voice 5: design.

[0:37:46] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:38:24] Voice 5: and

[0:38:24] Voice 5: you might have asked a question

[0:38:26] Voice 4: I know I don't want to

[0:38:28] Voice 4: start this back and forth and I don't want to do

[0:38:30] Voice 4: this but you said the

[0:38:31] Voice 4: did you do not think that the lot

[0:38:34] Voice 4: nine has ecological value as well

[0:38:36] Voice 6: I think it does

[0:38:37] Voice 6: it does have a

[0:38:39] Voice 6: okay I

[0:38:46] Voice 4: thought you said

[0:38:47] Voice 4: the only thing

[0:38:49] Voice 6: Thank you

[0:38:50] Voice 4: very much. Okay, who else on Crystal Mountain or any of the other applications?

[0:38:58] Voice 4: Yes.

[0:39:00] Voice 16: Thank you. I

[0:39:01] Voice 4: recognize you, but I can't remember your name.

[0:39:02] Voice 16: Oh, yes. Well, let me

[0:39:03] Voice 16: introduce myself. My name is Paula Wedica. I've been a full-time resident on Galeano for

[0:39:10] Voice 16: 23 years, and I've been fortunate enough to raise a child here and always have had work here. I

[0:39:18] Voice 16: I've worked on the ambulance service for 18 years.

[0:39:22] Voice 16: I work at the ferry terminal, I've been there 14 years,

[0:39:25] Voice 16: and I have sat on the boards of the Galliano Club,

[0:39:29] Voice 16: the Recycling Resources Society,

[0:39:32] Voice 16: the Library Building Management Team,

[0:39:35] Voice 16: and currently I'm a director of the Lions Club of Galliano.

[0:39:40] Voice 16: Thank you for allowing me to read a letter.

[0:39:43] Voice 16: Hello, Trustees Woolverton, Rockefeller, and Rogers.

[0:39:47] Voice 16: I would like to express my gratitude for the great care taken to ensure the protection of valuable habitat in the rezoning of the two lots making up Crystal Mountains proposal.

[0:39:59] Voice 16: I have followed along each step of the way from the very beginning when the plan included huts spread out over the land,

[0:40:06] Voice 16: to just last month when another reduction of participants took place to meet the objectives of the water management plan.

[0:40:14] Voice 16: The rezoning of forest land, i.e. land whose permitted use is logging, affords a welcome opportunity to preserve and protect 75% or more of the forest and all of the groundwater, greatly benefiting galleons and forest habitats.

[0:40:30] Voice 16: Hopefully, other rezonings in the future will continue to stop the removal of trees on these islands.

[0:40:36] Voice 16: Deforestation and soil erosion impact groundwater reserves.

[0:40:39] Voice 16: We need trees to hold onto carbon and combat climate change, and I am grateful for every

[0:40:45] Voice 16: last one of them.

[0:40:46] Voice 16: I urge the LTC to set dates in September for both the community information meeting as

[0:40:53] Voice 16: well as a public hearing to move this application towards the full reading of the by-laws.

[0:40:59] Voice 16: And thank you for all the work that you do.

[0:41:03] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[0:41:07] Voice 4: okay other speakers on any of the applications for crystal mountain as well yes mr moses

[0:41:16] Voice 4: i um i have two um two um presentations my wife uh suzanne corny is unable to uh

[0:41:26] Voice 4: to be here today because she's still i wonder if i could uh re-exert from the letter that she's

[0:41:36] Voice 4: uh i haven't but just to be clear i this isn't something we've already received no okay i just

[0:41:43] Voice 4: was checking my memory and i didn't remember getting anything from either go ahead related to

[0:41:50] Voice 4: what uh sheila henderson has to say um the letter suzanne's letter starts after many years of trying

[0:41:57] Voice 4: to bring crystal mountain into compliance with galleon was land used by law as an official

[0:42:03] Voice 4: community plan. The Galliano LTC should be fully aware that the North Galliano residents are facing

[0:42:09] Voice 4: the full impacts of yet another unregulated month-long August retreat by the paying guests

[0:42:15] Voice 4: of CMS. It is time to let Island Health, CRD building inspection, and Islands Trust by-law

[0:42:22] Voice 4: enforcement act properly to shut down this operation until existing regulations are

[0:42:28] Voice 4: fallen in their entirety in response to a recent complaint a crd building inspector was told to

[0:42:35] Voice 4: back off by someone at the island's trust as he is in the middle of dealing with the cms property

[0:42:42] Voice 4: despite the island's trust planner bending over backward trying to accommodate the usual

[0:42:46] Voice 4: the unusual cms plan which purports to use much less water than the standards required

[0:42:52] Voice 4: prior to everyone else.

[0:42:54] Voice 4: CMS is openly advertising its 22nd Annual August Retreat

[0:42:58] Voice 4: at its North Carolina property.

[0:43:00] Voice 4: There was no time in the Scallion Oil TC's mandate

[0:43:03] Voice 4: for three readings, a community information meeting

[0:43:05] Voice 4: and a public hearing,

[0:43:06] Voice 4: or for CMS continues with business as usual in August 2020.

[0:43:13] Voice 4: Still unresolved are issues which include

[0:43:15] Voice 4: the serious fragmentation of the forest,

[0:43:18] Voice 4: development plan for the North Ridge,

[0:43:21] Voice 4: fire danger from extensive propane use influx of visitors who may not heed gallium's water

[0:43:27] Voice 4: limitations and fire concerns and most seriously huge commercial use of a limited water aquifer

[0:43:33] Voice 4: gray water sewage discharge into the fragile wetland environment there is a complete lack

[0:43:39] Voice 4: of attention to the possible contamination and threat to neighboring wells for keeping

[0:43:46] Voice 4: their caretakers residents which claims will use much less water than any other island residents

[0:43:53] Voice 4: There are dozens of neighbours immediately surrounding the resort property opposed to CMS re-zoning for a number of reasons.

[0:44:01] Voice 4: CMS will be using its open communal kitchen to prepare and serve food to attendees.

[0:44:07] Voice 4: It has come to our attention that signs in their kitchen advise users that the quote greywater unquote system they use does not easily accept solids.

[0:44:18] Voice 4: There is a vent pipe marked as sewer right behind the kitchen.

[0:44:23] Voice 4: map show a sewage tank no permit exists for gray water discharge from the kitchen that is considered

[0:44:29] Voice 4: by law to be sewage so sir are you finished is this this yeah

[0:44:34] Voice 1: our names or is this your point

[0:44:36] Voice 4: i'll wrap it up and and the uh the uh discharge is too close to crystal mountain's own well in

[0:44:41] Voice 4: front of the kitchen and the adjacent weapon the issue is would the ltc take responsibility

[0:44:46] Voice 4: responsibility for whatever uh should the aquifer be exhausted or the wetland harmed by pollution

[0:44:56] Voice 4: that's an excerpt from suzanne's letter and i just want to say one thing i can guarantee

[0:45:01] Voice 4: nobody from islands trust told them to back off so that would not be language that any staff

[0:45:08] Voice 4: or bylaw of course when people would utilize they may say something that there's an application

[0:45:14] Voice 4: pending but nobody would say back off so that's a miscommunication so they had

[0:45:22] Voice 4: not said the words

[0:45:23] Voice 4: back off but it made it clear that it was not for the

[0:45:27] Voice 4: uh crd building inspector to uh get involved

[0:45:38] Voice 3: whatever

[0:45:38] Voice 4: the cad unit told you that's i had

[0:45:41] Voice 15: a communication with the crime

[0:45:44] Voice 15: He said that he would not look into

[0:45:46] Voice 4: the self-worth order of Crystal Mountain because of the LTC.

[0:45:52] Voice 4: That's an entirely different thing.

[0:45:54] Voice 4: And I ask you, if you're going to characterize some actions we have, let's be partially accurate.

[0:46:02] Voice 4: I'm trying to help you do that.

[0:46:05] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:46:07] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:46:08] Voice 4: Did you have another?

[0:46:09] Voice 4: I'm going to let you have your own commentary if you want to now.

[0:46:12] Voice 4: So go ahead.

[0:46:13] Voice 4: i'll take that as this morning thank you my name is ark moses uh i live at uh on juniper land north

[0:46:23] Voice 4: end of galileo i have several concerns that the proposed rezoning of the crystal mountain

[0:46:28] Voice 4: property uppermost except the arrangements for water supplies at this proposed facility are

[0:46:34] Voice 4: simply not adequate no local trust committee that has made the protection of groundwater

[0:46:39] Voice 4: one of its top priorities could possibly sign on with this development in its present form

[0:46:44] Voice 4: First, there is no proven sustainable yield for the well.

[0:46:48] Voice 4: The 12-hour pump test in 2015 did not meet current provincial standards for length of

[0:46:53] Voice 4: pumping and time for recovery of the well, for stabilization of the well.

[0:47:00] Voice 4: Second, the water management plan continues to seriously underestimate how much water

[0:47:06] Voice 4: this operation will use, eliminating two tent platforms in no way deals with the serious

[0:47:11] Voice 4: water problems this proposal faces.

[0:47:14] Voice 4: What else is the planner's advice statement

[0:47:16] Voice 4: to look at eliminating the caretaker residents?

[0:47:18] Voice 4: This will be a resident just like any other residents

[0:47:21] Voice 4: on the island, even though the applicant's spokesperson

[0:47:24] Voice 4: claims it's somehow going to be different.

[0:47:26] Voice 4: How could that be different?

[0:47:27] Voice 4: The occupants will live in it full time

[0:47:29] Voice 4: and go off to work and then return home each night.

[0:47:32] Voice 4: No different than any other Galliano resident

[0:47:34] Voice 4: who goes to work for a living.

[0:47:37] Voice 4: And somehow the water management plan assumes

[0:47:39] Voice 4: soon as these caretakers use a minuscule fraction of the water required for every house on Galeano.

[0:47:45] Voice 4: For example, it supposes that somehow the caretakers won't take as many showers as the

[0:47:51] Voice 4: people staying in the sleeping huts. Ridiculous. I'd like the trustees to answer why our land use

[0:47:57] Voice 4: bylaw requires developers to show that there's 2,000 liters of water available per day for each

[0:48:05] Voice 4: building or structure affected by a subdivision. That's what the land use bylaw requires. But

[0:48:12] Voice 4: somehow this development will be allowed, you know, to use much less. And how do we

[0:48:17] Voice 4: know this caretaker residence won't have a garden, which will require more water for

[0:48:21] Voice 4: irrigation, just because the applicant claims it won't? There's nothing in the draft bylaws

[0:48:26] Voice 4: that say they can't have a garden or irrigate it with groundwater. Where's the equal treatment

[0:48:31] Voice 4: with other other developments that have come before you for perhaps more socially desirable

[0:48:39] Voice 4: causes for for example in one development i won't name it because one of the trustees is accused

[0:48:47] Voice 4: the ltc has imposed a rather onerous requirement prohibiting them from having any outdoor caps at

[0:48:53] Voice 4: all that can use groundwater for irrigation so why isn't there a similar requirement for crystal

[0:48:58] Voice 4: the mountain

[0:48:58] Voice 4: given how different given how uh struck the water situation is i have more comments

[0:49:06] Voice 4: on the upper ridge uh the water estimate for the upper ridge is completely wonky because there's

[0:49:13] Voice 4: not going to be more than three retreats up there there's going to be staff to help them

[0:49:17] Voice 4: bring them supplies and the teacher will be visiting them regularly okay your time is up sir

[0:49:22] Voice 4: thank you very much thanks for

[0:49:24] Voice 4: your comments anybody else wish to yes go ahead

[0:49:31] Voice 4: i'm sorry i don't know

[0:49:43] Voice 8: so i've

[0:49:45] Voice 8: been through the whole forest questions and conundrums and my question is about

[0:49:53] Voice 8: As I understand it,

[0:49:56] Voice 3: the Crystal Mountain Society is asking to be zoned a community

[0:50:06] Voice 8: facility.

[0:50:08] Voice 8: I don't understand how this is possible.

[0:50:11] Voice 8: They are not a community facility, they are not like the health care center, they are

[0:50:16] Voice 8: not like the library, they are not like anything.

[0:50:21] Voice 8: thing and even the film school the wonderful film school which was on forest land had to

[0:50:30] Voice 8: rezone and they are commercial they are commercial why is crystal mountain not zoned commercial

[0:50:38] Voice 8: why are they zoned a community facility which

[0:50:41] Voice 3: they are and this really really bothers me

[0:50:46] Voice 3: me my other question was answered by someone else someone else asked about why are they holding

[0:50:52] Voice 3: these retreats this summer when this is nothing is resolved i'm not asking them to tear down

[0:50:59] Voice 3: what they've got but i'm asking them to stop until this whole question is resolved thank you

[0:51:06] Voice 3: i don't type so i can't hand you thank

[0:51:09] Voice 4: you thank you this is a comment you see i just want to

[0:51:12] Voice 4: address it although the planner is probably in a better place than i am to address it

[0:51:17] Voice 4: it this is not it's being zoned as a spiritual education center it happens to follow what it

[0:51:24] Voice 3: calls itself

[0:51:24] Voice 4: well but second let me finish the zoning proposed zoning and spiritual education

[0:51:30] Voice 4: it fits under the community and community facility and utility section but it's not under 4.1 with

[0:51:40] Voice 4: all of the other community facilities just to be clear so that we have a clear understanding of

[0:51:45] Voice 4: that it's a separate section under part four of the of the bylaws so just to be you can go you

[0:51:53] Voice 4: can go to law but that's the way it's proposed uh but i get your point and thank you very much

[0:52:00] Voice 4: um other questions and comments well if you look under section four there's community facilities

[0:52:06] Voice 4: utilities and then there's another section and then there's this section so utilities fit under

[0:52:12] Voice 4: there as well it's either a utility or utility this

[0:52:17] Voice 15: is a separate zoning so the proposal and

[0:52:22] Voice 15: where the lt is at is that it falls under this section 8 community facilities and utility zones

[0:52:31] Voice 15: zones and it is its own section 8.7 so it's not a 8.2 community facility zone and then

[0:52:38] Voice 15: it does not need to comply with the OCP policies of that it falls under its own separate unique

[0:52:44] Voice 15: zoning this we're going to explain to you many times sir but I'm trying to explain it

[0:52:49] Voice 15: to the

[0:52:49] Voice 4: ladies anyway I saw another hand back here yes go ahead

[0:53:01] Voice 8: and i really dislike trying to get up to talk about crystal mountains because in my view

[0:53:10] Voice 8: it's not about the people and the good people it is about the land use and uh i know that among

[0:53:19] Voice 8: Most of us who have

[0:53:21] Voice 6: been and I have been supportive of this amount in the past, I happen

[0:53:25] Voice 6: to live in the south

[0:53:26] Voice 8: of the island and I'm not impacted by the actual operation of a visitor, what is essentially, what ends up essentially being a visitor accommodation facility.

[0:53:37] Voice 8: And I do take issue with it being placed under the community facilities utility,

[0:53:44] Voice 9: even if it's in its own separately designed compartment of that, because our

[0:53:53] Voice 8: OCP was designed with the people of Galliano in mind, and their idea of a community facility was something that would be built when there was a demonstrated community facility.

[0:54:09] Voice 8: need such as

[0:54:10] Voice 9: fire hall a school a medical center um the library those have in various forms

[0:54:20] Voice 9: met the standard for community need and unfortunately crystal mountain has not gone

[0:54:28] Voice 9: through the process of demonstrating community need i'm i'm i'm sure because i've attended

[0:54:36] Voice 9: do some

[0:54:36] Voice 8: of these wonderful uh not retreats but some of the talks that it does feel like a need

[0:54:43] Voice 8: but it does not feel it does not meet the definition of community need and um this

[0:54:51] Voice 8: this what happens here is that we really need to take into consideration what happens when we

[0:54:59] Voice 8: when a facility

[0:55:01] Voice 9: like this

[0:55:01] Voice 8: is located in the neighborhood

[0:55:04] Voice 9: where this groundwater situation

[0:55:07] Voice 9: is vulnerable and there's mapping that shows that and it has not demonstrated to have met

[0:55:15] Voice 9: the really basic needs for groundwater sewage disposal proper access and so on and i think

[0:55:24] Voice 9: it's great this is the reason i have to sign on to this letter to please reconsider allowing the use

[0:55:30] Voice 9: to continue until the application has been has come to completion and there's been a resolution

[0:55:38] Voice 9: to the many many outstanding issues thank you so much thank you

[0:55:43] Voice 4: anybody

[0:55:50] Voice 5: else before we move on

[0:55:58] Voice 5: I would

[0:55:59] Voice 3: just like to know, you know, if you don't see deciding that, I don't know exactly how it was decided, that by-law enforcement would not be continuing on this mountain, because they don't have a commercial water license to get their supplying water to pay the disks and that sort of thing, and they don't have a proper sewage disposal system.

[0:56:25] Voice 3: And it's just been brought up that it is very clear that these things don't exist.

[0:56:30] Voice 3: And I'm wondering why does the LPC's decision make it possible for CMS to continue having this advertised unlawful use from this summer

[0:56:45] Voice 3: and to continue to operate without a personal waterway.

[0:56:53] Voice 3: like they have a sewage disposal system, at least in the kitchen, that is not in any way authorized by the health board.

[0:57:06] Voice 3: You know, I'm just wondering, what is the power of the decision, whatever that might be,

[0:57:12] Voice 3: really, whether or not they can continue.

[0:57:17] Voice 3: I mean, can they continue and still not have all of these other things in place, or what is the story on that?

[0:57:24] Voice 3: we

[0:57:31] Voice 4: certainly i mean there's been some indication from people here that somehow we've made some

[0:57:37] Voice 4: positive information decision that they can continue certainly been no motion from us that

[0:57:43] Voice 4: has indicated that uh that we could do that that the and in fact yes go ahead

[0:57:49] Voice 4: at

[0:57:49] Voice 9: the beginning of the term we

[0:57:54] Voice 4: did yes but that

[0:57:56] Voice 9: was unanimous and that

[0:57:58] Voice 3: was because it was

[0:57:59] Voice 3: they had an ongoing application because we had a new bylaw that means we enforce bylaw action on

[0:58:08] Voice 3: any uh owner that is going against the land use bylaw um instead they have to cease operations

[0:58:15] Voice 3: immediately we approved that at the beginning of our term i remember that

[0:58:19] Voice 3: excluded cms because

[0:58:21] Voice 3: they have an ongoing application and are working to complete it

[0:58:24] Voice 4: i must admit it i forgot i remember

[0:58:30] Voice 3: the motion

[0:58:31] Voice 4: about asking to continue

[0:58:32] Voice 4: to enforce the member experience it was so it was it wasn't

[0:58:38] Voice 8: being retroactive so

[0:58:40] Voice 8: existing applications were not included i see and

[0:58:43] Voice 8: that was the only one

[0:58:44] Voice 8: i'm

[0:58:45] Voice 4: gonna let ms pottle ask i i guess that's the answer to your question i so

[0:58:55] Voice 3: yeah so i mean i guess i've always been confused about having an open application that allows you

[0:59:01] Voice 3: to advertise an unlawful use.

[0:59:03] Voice 3: I mean, people who were doing bed and breakfast

[0:59:05] Voice 3: and stuff were given warning from staff

[0:59:10] Voice 3: that they were having an exercise on unlawful use.

[0:59:18] Voice 3: Like, making decisions is not enforced.

[0:59:21] Voice 3: I mean, these are not things that are regulated

[0:59:24] Voice 3: by the LCC, like unlimited help

[0:59:29] Voice 3: and um you know modern licensing act and those sorts of things so i mean

[0:59:34] Voice 3: it seems only sensible i think to consider those things i mean i don't know maybe ecstasy

[0:59:42] Voice 3: item or whatever i mean maybe you should say that you're having information i mean

[0:59:50] Voice 3: it it seems wise to do uh i don't know if your decision whatever you know it's so vague

[1:00:00] Voice 3: i think that it overrules those other regulations well

[1:00:03] Voice 4: it wouldn't we don't tell

[1:00:05] Voice 4: island health what to do and we don't tell the crd what to do and we don't tell

[1:00:12] Voice 4: any other regulatory bodies what to do we only make our decision really into ourselves

[1:00:18] Voice 3: yeah no

[1:00:19] Voice 4: i know you

[1:00:19] Voice 3: yeah

[1:00:20] Voice 4: thank you very much okay well i'm going to um

[1:00:26] Voice 4: Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

[1:00:29] Voice 3: A little bit to understand that Doug Waters, health inspector for Adams Health, came to Crystal Mountain.

[1:00:41] Voice 3: I guess it was pre-COVID, so it was probably the summer of, well, I think it was pre-COVID, 19 or 20.

[1:00:52] Voice 3: and he toured the land with us. We talked about the water. We talked about the outhouses

[1:00:59] Voice 3: and how they observed what we were doing. What he asked us to do was to use port-a-potties

[1:01:08] Voice 3: rather than the outhouses. That's what we've been doing for two years now. So the outhouses are

[1:01:15] Voice 3: locked off. They haven't been moved. He understood the whole layout of the situation there. We talked

[1:01:21] Voice 3: We talked about the water and how the kitchen operated and what we're going to be moving into and he gave us an okay to keep operating like that as far as island health is concerned.

[1:01:37] Voice 3: Leave your names and talk to us and leave your accounts.

[1:01:41] Voice 4: Okay, thank you for the information. I think we'll just leave that there.

[1:01:44] Voice 4: yeah i mean

[1:01:45] Voice 4: i think the request you received from about three or four people is is effectively

[1:01:49] Voice 4: related to the earlier applications and i think it was most directly made by former trustee anderson

[1:01:57] Voice 4: who said who asked us to shut it down because until we're finished this process effectively

[1:02:03] Voice 4: don't allow it to continue um i had forgotten about the motion that trustee rockefeller left

[1:02:08] Voice 4: you're here you have a better memory than i do about the one of excluding them that makes some

[1:02:13] Voice 4: sense in the context of opportunity but that we might have done that that we did do that uh okay

[1:02:19] Voice 4: i think we're going to i don't think it has but i'm going to move along i guess my first question

[1:02:25] Voice 4: before i refuse trustee rockefeller is there anybody who wishes to speak at all for the galley

[1:02:30] Voice 4: application i don't see anybody so you're off the hook because you're a feller uh is there anybody

[1:02:38] Voice 4: who wishes to speak to the to the giggers application yes there is so uh trustee

[1:02:44] Voice 4: we can ask you to step aside

[1:02:59] Voice 17: anybody

[1:03:03] Voice 4: who wish to speak to it that of course uh there is a cim tonight to ask questions

[1:03:10] Voice 4: specifically around this application and the public hearing next saturday scheduled for next

[1:03:16] Voice 4: saturday the 16th so let's keep that in mind as we make our comments um so who is first who would

[1:03:24] Voice 4: like to speak first yes miss minor

[1:03:32] Voice 8: This is about the decision of the FTC to include the housing agreement in the public hearing.

[1:03:44] Voice 8: It implies to me that no comment about

[1:03:48] Voice 7: content included in the public hearing will be accepted

[1:03:52] Voice 7: after finalizing the public hearing.

[1:03:59] Voice 7: And today, I saw in the report, in page 63, where it says, in excess terms, actions were made

[1:04:09] Voice 8: in 2019 for the housing agreement and for the management plan for the inclusion in the public hearing.

[1:04:21] Voice 8: Now, this

[1:04:22] Voice 7: NTC has decided to include in the public

[1:04:27] Voice 8: hearing the housing agreement and covenant,

[1:04:30] Voice 7: even though the

[1:04:31] Voice 7: housing agreement and covenant

[1:04:33] Voice 8: are only a draft, we have seen, or I have read today, a new change in planning in the report.

[1:04:46] Voice 8: It's a by local number, not by community.

[1:04:51] Voice 8: I think that's a requirement of the public.

[1:04:57] Voice 8: The trustees, I hope they know that by including it in the public hearing,

[1:05:03] Voice 8: subsequently,

[1:05:05] Voice 7: subsequently changes will not be subject to public discussion.

[1:05:11] Voice 7: Furthermore, the information for the community information needs in the public hearing

[1:05:17] Voice 7: only mention the Bible 276, 277, and the link to them is in our correct applications, and

[1:05:29] Voice 7: they're proposed by law, the only information for people to read is what is in the pamphlet.

[1:05:36] Voice 7: Only people like me that have been following this process closely will be able to find

[1:05:43] Voice 7: agreement. And even then, for

[1:05:46] Voice 8: today's community information meeting,

[1:05:48] Voice 8: for the housing agreement, they could find a different graph

[1:05:54] Voice 7: from the ones presented in today's meeting. Considering

[1:05:59] Voice 7: the Island Trust's principles, they have taken the transference, the leaving, and the resuming

[1:06:05] Voice 7: process, considering all the residents of Galliano could be affected by the

[1:06:10] Voice 7: big-ass project because the site is a recreational area and the housing agreement and formula are

[1:06:17] Voice 7: the mentally important so many i request that the housing agreement will not be part of the

[1:06:25] Voice 7: concept of the public in order for the

[1:06:28] Voice 7: residents of galiano follow the possible changes before

[1:06:32] Voice 7: phone and after for reading and for them to have the opportunity to present their please

[1:06:38] Voice 4: wrap it

[1:06:39] Voice 4: up i thought you were done

[1:06:41] Voice 7: thank you

[1:06:44] Voice 7: and we have your earlier letter

[1:06:45] Voice 4: thank you uh yes and i think

[1:06:49] Voice 4: miss marcus and you had your hand up thank you um yeah i want to read something that is not

[1:06:55] to

[1:06:55] Voice 6: discuss much here and that's um waste water management on the uh bigger site those of us

[1:07:03] Voice 6: living down the slope of the givers proposed housing development continue to be very concerned

[1:07:09] Voice 6: about what this very large septic field i think it will be the largest residential septic

[1:07:14] Voice 6: will mean the quality of our potable water from our wells in a fractured dead drop geological

[1:07:23] Voice 6: formation directly downslope and for the nearby marine environment. This is a significant public

[1:07:31] Voice 6: health matter yet there has been little or no discussion of this by the LTC and the applicant

[1:07:38] Voice 6: has never attempted to address our concerns about waste management. We have never had the

[1:07:44] opportunity to ask questions of BWD engineering who prepared the wastewater report for the

[1:07:51] I recently contacted

[1:07:53] Voice 6: them to ask if they could respond to some questions, and they referred me back to the LTC.

[1:08:00] Voice 6: I also discovered by phoning the CRD, the Ministry of Health, Island Health, and the Ministry of Transportation,

[1:08:08] Voice 6: that it is a very layered and complex matter, jurisdictionally, and it is still not clear to me who approves what and when.

[1:08:18] Voice 6: Right now, all we have is the BWP engineering report finished by the application that states there will be a peak daily flow of 12,600 liters of sewage and wastewater, and in the brief conclusions and recommendations of the report, it is stated that a type 1 on-site wastewater system suitable for the proposed development can be constructed.

[1:08:45] Voice 6: In the report, the following brief recommendations are offered, as the soils vary in depth across

[1:08:53] Voice 6: the proposed field area during construction great care must be taken to ensure final treatment,

[1:09:01] Voice 6: infiltration and reduced possibilities of downslope breakouts are accommodated.

[1:09:07] Voice 6: I did a survey of the properties in our strata and most, if not all of the properties that

[1:09:13] Voice 6: are oftentimes do not now need to treat their potable water we get our water tested annually

[1:09:20] Voice 6: and there's no need to treat it yet my

[1:09:23] Voice 6: research has revealed many scientific reports

[1:09:25] Voice 6: on-site sewage systems as they are called a report by the new mexico environmental department

[1:09:36] Voice 6: refers to unsuitable site conditions wrap

[1:09:39] Voice 4: it up yeah

[1:09:40] Voice 6: i will especially small lot

[1:09:43] Voice 6: lot and fractured dead rocks so exactly the geology we have here and the septic systems

[1:09:49] Voice 6: constitute the largest single source of groundwater contamination in the state

[1:10:00] Voice 5: thank

[1:10:02] Voice 6: you very much you can

[1:10:06] Voice 5: read it your pleasure thank you my

[1:10:13] Voice 6: my request was that we ask for your

[1:10:16] Voice 6: attention to this concern now and to provide some opportunity for those of

[1:10:22] Voice 6: us who will be affected

[1:10:24] Voice 4: planner smith you wanted to think i just want to say

[1:10:26] Voice 15: for all these letters that we're receiving

[1:10:28] Voice 15: paper it's much easier if we also receive them electronically so that we i

[1:10:32] Voice 9: i will send them

[1:10:33] Voice 15: that's for everyone you can schedule to the lcc electronically then it's much easier

[1:10:38] Voice 4: and

[1:10:39] Voice 17: it's much easier and

[1:10:42] Voice 4: it becomes part of the then we don't have to scan you don't put them

[1:10:46] Voice 4: this okay anybody else related to the gingers application which as i remind you is the subject

[1:10:55] Voice 4: of a cim tonight and a few information meetings sorry after three and a half years i've started

[1:11:01] Voice 4: to take on all of the acronyms of the trust i swore i wouldn't do it and i've done it anyway

[1:11:07] Voice 4: cim and of course the public hearing ms banger you've had an opportunity you wish to speak

[1:11:12] Voice 4: briefly again well is it something that you haven't said to us before

[1:11:21] Voice 4: because you've written to us extensively and i've read all

[1:11:24] Voice 4: of your letters

[1:11:37] Voice 7: I did not have any answer about it.

[1:11:41] Voice 7: Well,

[1:11:41] Voice 4: I answered you twice.

[1:11:43] Voice 4: I answered you twice to your letter.

[1:11:46] Voice 7: Not to the legal concern.

[1:11:47] Voice 7: Not at all.

[1:11:49] Voice 4: Well, you want to talk about

[1:11:50] Voice 4: something specific that I didn't answer.

[1:11:52] Voice 7: And I wrote to you that we have been waiting for a legal opinion that seems that the Habitat Foundation was drawn to us.

[1:12:05] Voice 7: We never received it.

[1:12:07] Voice 7: And

[1:12:08] Voice 4: can these questions not wait until we get to the CIM tonight?

[1:12:13] Voice 7: Not for the CIM, but for the local trustee and the planner.

[1:12:18] Voice 4: The planner is going to be at the CIM tonight.

[1:12:21] Voice 4: he'll be making a presentation and so will the options but but go ahead you can answer quickly

[1:12:31] Voice 15: i will speak to it at the cia when you ask your question

[1:12:35] Voice 15: thank

[1:12:35] Voice 8: you very much

[1:12:36] Voice 9: sorry

[1:12:39] Voice 4: did i see a question in the corner here about about this

[1:12:43] Voice 4: figure yeah

[1:12:44] Voice 14: i just want to say that bearing in mind the

[1:12:48] Voice 4: level of resistance to this project and the amount of

[1:12:52] Voice 4: of time allotted to those who oppose it most of the island once they see the project get on

[1:12:58] Voice 4: please do not waste any more time well sir thank you for your comments i'm going to i'm going to

[1:13:06] Voice 4: ask you to stop we allow everybody to speak and it's a public forum they can express their point

[1:13:12] Voice 4: of view i do i did ask you can keep their commentary short uh and there is a as i said

[1:13:19] Voice 4: a commentary there's nobody else i'm going to suggest we close the town hall move on with the

[1:13:24] Voice 4: business for you uh for the town hall and i'm not seeing anybody else so let's get trusty oh yes

[1:13:35] Voice 4: it's according to do you want it yes we can have a very short

[1:13:38] Voice 4: conference right and then we'll start with the rest of the agenda thank you very much

[1:19:02] Voice 4: uh bill is here so what's showing up on the broadcast i hope it's all i can see is

[1:19:10] Voice 4: It's probably my computer.

[1:19:15] Voice 4: So welcome back to everybody that's here with us both in person and on the live stream.

[1:19:26] Voice 4: And we're going to move through the agenda now.

[1:19:29] Voice 4: I have both the trustees here and the staff here.

[1:19:33] Voice 4: The next item on the agenda, there is no CIM tonight, but there's not one now or hearing now.

[1:19:39] Voice 4: We have the local trust committee minutes dated June the 6th, 2022.

[1:19:44] Voice 4: 22. i have no amendments but i have one comment i'd like to make about minutes

[1:19:49] Voice 4: um our reporter is exceptionally good at recording people's commentary during the course i just want

[1:20:01] Voice 4: to make sure that everybody understands that when we're in town hall and there's a series

[1:20:05] Voice 4: of comments that are being made about any particular application uh those are not

[1:20:12] Voice 4: statements of the local trust committee or accepted as facts they are people's views of

[1:20:18] Voice 4: a particular of a particular thing so sometimes things can read like it says this is the way it

[1:20:25] Voice 4: is and and it and it may not be considered by others to be accurate but it's that point of

[1:20:30] Voice 4: view so the minutes only record whether it's being said not necessarily just uh in the town hall not

[1:20:38] Voice 4: necessarily a decision item or any indication that there's an acceptance of that point of view

[1:20:43] Voice 4: i just want to make

[1:20:43] Voice 4: sure that's clear because those are i know people on this island read

[1:20:47] Voice 4: these things very carefully and i i think that's a great quality uh for the attention

[1:20:52] Voice 4: uh i have no changes does anybody have any changes on the minutes uh then we'll take the minutes uh

[1:20:59] Voice 4: as presented the next time there are there is no resolutions or even c minutes the next item

[1:21:06] Voice 4: on the agenda is on page 13 which is the whole action list um and uh that's at page 13 and are

[1:21:17] Voice 4: there any questions or any any comments from planner smith related sorry i'm finding it very

[1:21:22] Voice 4: hard to carry on with people talking in the audience so could i ask you thank you um is

[1:21:31] Voice 4: Is there any commentary from the planner?

[1:21:34] Voice 4: Any questions from the trustee

[1:21:36] Voice 4: regarding the follow-up action?

[1:21:38] Voice 4: No, thank you very much.

[1:21:40] Voice 4: We talked already about the correspondence

[1:21:43] Voice 4: and that we're gonna ask specifically

[1:21:47] Voice 4: that the correspondence from two individuals

[1:21:50] Voice 4: from the Allen, Mr. Ramsey and Mr. Rybak

[1:21:53] Voice 4: related to the Rogers Tower be put on it.

[1:21:56] Voice 4: Do you want a motion to that effect

[1:21:58] Voice 4: or can we just ask you to make sure

[1:22:00] Voice 4: they're on the next agenda there was correspondence from mr ryback and correspondence from mr uh

[1:22:07] Voice 4: uh and from mr ramsey uh both did one in mid early may and one in early june that addressed

[1:22:13] Voice 4: the rogers cell tower both suggesting a course of action by the local trust committee and they

[1:22:18] Voice 4: haven't appeared on our agenda yet and uh okay so uh just for a brevity's sake i'll move that the

[1:22:28] Voice 4: uh correspondence from mr ramsey and from mr ryback the added to the correspondence section

[1:22:34] Voice 4: of the next global trust committee thank you and that's been seconded by christie rockefeller

[1:22:39] Voice 4: i was just reading through and realized last night that um those have not appeared and they

[1:22:45] Voice 4: both asked for a specific action different options but it's with the uh all in favor

[1:22:50] Voice 4: that passes unanimously thanks i'm sure you got that part before i did um the next step then we're

[1:22:58] Voice 4: into the applications and referrals uh so the first application is the fox application and i

[1:23:05] Voice 4: know that i have the applicants uh on uh on a zoom meeting uh mr fox uh you can turn your camera on

[1:23:14] Voice 4: if you wish and uh but i'd ask you to stay muted until we get to you we're going to have the

[1:23:20] Voice 4: presentation from uh planner uh testamale um about the application that starts on page 16 and then

[1:23:29] Voice 4: i'll uh we'll see if there's questions from the from the trustees and then we'll turn to you to

[1:23:33] Voice 4: make any commentary which we thank you sir for joining us and uh welcome planner phil custom

[1:23:39] Voice 4: the mail over to you

[1:23:40] Voice 2: excuse me uh thank you chair rogers so um development uh development permit

[1:23:47] Voice 2: application uh gl dp uh 2022.1 and dvp 2022.2 is a combined um application for 342 gossip road on

[1:24:00] Voice 2: gossip island where the purpose of the dp application is for measures for the protection

[1:24:06] Voice 2: of the sensitive marine ecosystem and construction management for a proposed construction of a

[1:24:11] Voice 2: private dock within the DP area or DPA2 which is shoreline and marine. DPH7 is also designated but

[1:24:21] Voice 2: the proposed works are exempt. The DVP application is to consider a siting variance for an upland

[1:24:27] Voice 2: concrete abutment or landing for the dock on the subject property to conform with the Galliano land

[1:24:35] Voice 2: use bylaw the application has been made in advance of any construction of a new dock facility on the

[1:24:43] Voice 2: property in the adjacent foreshore area gossip island is water access with no ferry service and

[1:24:50] Voice 2: a limited community dock facility and the proposed new dock will replace the remnants of an existing

[1:24:56] Voice 2: 50 year old dock in the approximate same location and the intent is to provide year-round use and

[1:25:03] Voice 2: safe access to the subject property as well as for adjacent lot 7 which is owned by the same family

[1:25:10] Voice 2: and the other neighboring lot 9 which is owned by the applicants themselves. The extent of

[1:25:16] Voice 2: development includes a concrete landing abutment which is the subject of the variance, an elevated

[1:25:21] Voice 2: walkway on piers, a ramp to a 27 meter squared or 290 square foot float and then anchoring systems.

[1:25:31] Voice 2: So the design and the dimensions, sizes of all of these aspects have been minimized for the proposed use.

[1:25:44] Voice 2: And the proposal is that all surfaces will be light penetrating to the extent practical,

[1:25:49] Voice 2: and the draft DP provides conditions to ensure that all materials and processes are environmentally sound.

[1:25:58] Voice 2: So as required, sorry, sorry, a detailed management plan, which was submitted to Crownlands as part of their tenure application, which is pending, has been provided and that's been posted under professional reports on the Galliano Island current applications page.

[1:26:15] Voice 2: Also required baseline marine habitat assessment by Coronis Environmental and a geotechnical assessment by RISIC Geotechnical were submitted and posted on the webpage as well.

[1:26:27] Voice 2: Additionally comments written comments on the shared use and the future access

[1:26:32] Voice 2: were provided by the applicants and those were attached to the staff report as well.

[1:26:37] Voice 2: So the conditions in the proposed DP incorporate all recommendations and measures provided by the

[1:26:43] Voice 2: professional reporting and in addition to other conditions that are consistent with DPA guidelines.

[1:26:52] Voice 2: The DPA checklist confirms that all relevant DPA guidelines have been met.

[1:26:57] Voice 2: DDP notices were circulated to surrounding property owners as required and staff have received no submissions in response to the notification.

[1:27:07] Voice 2: So staff's recommendations on page one of the report are that the Galliano Local Trust Committee provisions of both DDP 2022.1 and DDP 2022.2.

[1:27:22] Voice 2: So the recommendation with respect to the DP is supported as first the objectives of this and specific guidelines of the DPA have been met.

[1:27:31] Voice 2: The design of the facility is minimal for the proposed use.

[1:27:35] Voice 2: All relevant recommendations of professional reporting have been incorporated into the conditions of the proposed DP.

[1:27:42] Voice 2: and conditions in that DP in addition to senior government requirements will ensure the protection

[1:27:50] Voice 2: of both the terrestrial and marine ecosystems and then finally the recommendations with respect to

[1:27:57] Voice 2: the development or sorry the recommendation with respect to the development variance permit is

[1:28:01] Voice 2: supported as the variance is minor given the size of the proposed abutment structure which has been

[1:28:07] Voice 2: minimized as much as feasible the siting is necessary for the proposed dock and is in a

[1:28:13] Voice 2: previously disturbed location of the uh of the old dock uh the potential impacts from granting

[1:28:20] Voice 2: the variances are minor notification to neighbors has generated no response and the variance does

[1:28:25] Voice 2: not challenge the intent of the bylaw provision so that's my summary of my report thank you very

[1:28:33] Voice 4: much uh come to you in a minute mr ms fox um uh thank

[1:28:37] Voice 2: you for the

[1:28:38] Voice 4: thorough report plan just no

[1:28:39] Voice 4: questions for the planner from uh trustees i

[1:28:44] Voice 8: didn't have any questions no no

[1:28:46] Voice 4: nothing from

[1:28:48] Voice 4: either of you do you have any questions for the applicant no

[1:28:52] Voice 8: i mean i

[1:28:53] Voice 6: think all of the material

[1:28:55] Voice 6: was very clear in explaining um why they were not looking at to provide easements for example

[1:29:03] Voice 6: role from the adjoining properties, which they also own. I,

[1:29:08] Voice 8: you know, I can understand that I,

[1:29:10] Voice 8: I also, I do know that there are a lot of docks on that side. So, you know,

[1:29:20] Voice 6: this one was a previous dock is what previously was a dock there. And it is a needed

[1:29:31] Voice 9: a

[1:29:31] Voice 7: need of use of infrastructure given the the lack of room at the community dock

[1:29:37] Voice 4: yes um trustee

[1:29:39] Voice 4: rockefeller before i turn to the applicant do you have a question yeah

[1:29:41] Voice 9: i do have a question

[1:29:42] Voice 9: for the planner actually i was wondering is this during this application process would you see the

[1:29:47] Voice 9: time to request easements for lots of the night or would that be uh not so

[1:29:53] Voice 2: um trustee rockefeller

[1:29:56] Voice 2: or this is a complicated issue because you.

[1:30:00] Voice 2: have a variance application in front of you which you have discretion over um and but you can't put

[1:30:06] Voice 2: any conditions in a development variance permit or make it conditional um and then on the other

[1:30:11] Voice 2: hand you have a development permit application which essentially is non-discretionary because

[1:30:17] Voice 2: provided that all of the um guidelines have been met um you're essentially bound to issue a dp or

[1:30:26] Voice 2: prove issuance of a DP. So that makes it complicated. You could ask for more information,

[1:30:33] Voice 2: but essentially the only way to, I'm not going to say get an easement, is if it's provided

[1:30:38] Voice 2: voluntarily. So it's difficult to point to any of the guidelines. I know none of the guidelines speak

[1:30:48] Voice 2: to requiring a DP, or sorry, an easement for this. So it's a bit of a complicated situation.

[1:30:54] Voice 2: so um and that's why we're relying on um i did have obviously the conversation with the applicants

[1:31:01] Voice 2: both in writing and in person or through the phone and i understand their situation and i

[1:31:08] Voice 2: i can maybe let them answer their resistance to wanting to put an easement there but essentially

[1:31:14] Voice 2: there's very little opportunity for the trust committee to insist on it so yeah that's i was

[1:31:20] Voice 8: just um

[1:31:21] Voice 9: curious because with the orthophoto seeing nine dogs within that strip

[1:31:25] Voice 9: there and those two

[1:31:27] Voice 9: abutting or adjacent properties which the applicant also owns if they did have an

[1:31:32] Voice 9: easement would be

[1:31:32] Voice 3: limiting the future possibility of dogs but seeing as our hands are tied and we're

[1:31:36] Voice 3: just going to well

[1:31:38] Voice 4: let me get um the foxes to respond and make whatever uh commentary they

[1:31:44] Voice 4: want to make a stop report and maybe about that issue uh i uh i can maybe reframe what planner

[1:31:52] Voice 4: testimonial said but i can do there are some things you can do but they may not be appropriate

[1:31:57] Voice 4: anyway miss welcome to uh dan and team fox over you you have commentary on the oh you turned your

[1:32:04] Voice 4: camera off sorry that's okay can you hear you can hear uh but you've turned your camera off

[1:32:15] Voice 11: there you go there

[1:32:17] Voice 3: we go we're good yeah

[1:32:18] Voice 11: okay thank you for hearing our applications today

[1:32:21] Voice 11: we appreciate it very much um i understand there was a question for us but i wasn't clear on what

[1:32:26] Voice 11: that was well

[1:32:27] Voice 4: there was a

[1:32:28] Voice 4: question um about to the planner about whether uh we could put a i i

[1:32:34] Voice 4: don't i know i'm paraphrasing is there a way to ask for the easement that we talked about

[1:32:39] Voice 4: the planner explained their point of view and then said but you could ask the um and basically said

[1:32:46] Voice 4: it should be voluntary from you and uh the um the planner indicated that perhaps you would like to

[1:32:53] Voice 4: address why you have a resistance to easements over to the other adjoining lots that would

[1:32:59] Voice 4: will be using your lot for now but are you the doc but that as a as a mechanism to try and control

[1:33:07] Voice 4: all the number of dots on there but go ahead and I know you addressed that in your letter but

[1:33:12] Voice 4: perhaps you could address this yeah

[1:33:15] Voice 11: yeah we did address it in our letter and uh you know we

[1:33:19] Voice 11: understand that uh from your perspective that could be uh good for for consolidating those

[1:33:28] Voice 11: properties uh specifically in a legal sense uh but we our concern is that doing so uh even though

[1:33:37] Voice 11: these are family properties they've been our family since 1956. Tina and I own two of them

[1:33:42] Voice 11: my dad owns one of them even though they're family properties and we intend to keep them going in

[1:33:47] Voice 11: that sense nobody really knows what the future holds in store so we have to be open to the to

[1:33:52] Voice 11: the possibility that things could change and the proposed dock would be right at the side of our

[1:33:58] Voice 11: house right outside of our kitchen window as a matter of fact and we have no issues with

[1:34:05] Voice 11: with using it and supplying it for the use of our family members in particular my father who

[1:34:11] Voice 11: owns lot seven but we worry that should there in the unlikely event be turnover of property in the

[1:34:18] Voice 11: future in particular in his lot which to the best of my understanding is not in the cards but we

[1:34:25] Voice 11: feel that it would severely impact on our privacy and our enjoyment of our property and not to

[1:34:31] Voice 11: mentioned the fact that you know this is a 150 to 200 000 piece of infrastructure that we're solely

[1:34:38] Voice 11: funding we're not getting any money from my dad on lot seven so Tina and I are we're now retired

[1:34:44] Voice 11: this is going to drain the bank account for us and giving unfettered access by way of an easement is

[1:34:50] Voice 11: a concern for us and with family it's easy to regulate these situations but should other third

[1:34:58] Voice 11: parties become involved in in an easement then you know we have constantly people making their

[1:35:05] Voice 11: way through our property using the dock for whatever they decide they want to use it for

[1:35:09] Voice 11: uh you know it could be loading and loading could be for fishing could be for skidooing could be

[1:35:14] Voice 11: for any number of things and we would lose that control uh and again it's our asset our our our

[1:35:21] Voice 11: piece of equipment and we are we are concerned about relinquishing that control but also to

[1:35:26] Voice 11: we're concerned about you know the potential liability aspect of having people continually

[1:35:32] Voice 11: continually accessing our property to get access to the dock and we're also concerned about the

[1:35:38] Voice 11: loss of privacy again you know the dock would be right outside our kitchen window only feet from

[1:35:44] Voice 11: our house and we feel that we want to do the right thing in the sense of making this a communal dock

[1:35:53] Voice 11: for our family and even though it's not being formalized by way of an easement we feel that

[1:36:02] Voice 11: Tina and I you know we're in our late 50s now hopefully we're going to be around for another

[1:36:07] Voice 11: 25 years and I noted this in my in my email to Mr. Testamal but we feel that you know my dad is

[1:36:15] Voice 11: 80 years old now he has zero interest in in building a dock we know that he has plans to

[1:36:22] Voice 11: to keep that property in the family.

[1:36:24] Voice 11: And we feel that as long as we're alive,

[1:36:27] Voice 11: any chance of a dock application coming forward

[1:36:30] Voice 11: for any of the other properties

[1:36:32] Voice 11: is easily going to be deferred for 25 years,

[1:36:36] Voice 11: if it should ever come at all.

[1:36:37] Voice 11: Because quite honestly, with a piece of infrastructure

[1:36:40] Voice 11: in our family valuing at 150 to $200,000,

[1:36:44] Voice 11: it would make zero sense for say the owner of lot seven,

[1:36:49] Voice 11: if especially if as a family member to want to build another dock especially if they have the

[1:36:53] Voice 11: use of ours and as far as lot nine goes tina and i bought that strictly as a buffer for ourselves

[1:36:59] Voice 11: um and we have it's a forested lot it's all natural we intend to do absolutely nothing with

[1:37:04] Voice 11: it but you know we feel that we're stepping up to the plate in terms of financing this giving

[1:37:09] Voice 11: access to it trying to minimize the impact on the island and the environment by allowing family to

[1:37:14] Voice 11: to use it, but we don't want to put ourselves

[1:37:18] Voice 11: in a position of just a,

[1:37:21] Voice 11: disadvantaging ourselves by having, you know,

[1:37:24] Voice 11: a third parties unknown to us in the future,

[1:37:28] Voice 11: potentially accessing the property,

[1:37:30] Voice 11: all the issues that go with that, including liability.

[1:37:32] Voice 11: And the doc itself would have liability insurance,

[1:37:35] Voice 11: but there's the issue of the property

[1:37:36] Voice 11: and people making their way through our property

[1:37:38] Voice 11: and around our property.

[1:37:39] Voice 11: So

[1:37:39] Voice 4: thank you, Mr. Fox.

[1:37:41] Voice 4: I'll see if the other trustees have any more questions.

[1:37:43] Voice 4: Do either of you have any questions?

[1:37:45] Voice 4: Is there anything else you wish to address

[1:37:47] Voice 4: in terms of the planners report to us beyond that issue

[1:37:51] Voice 4: or any commentary you wish to make about it?

[1:37:56] Voice 11: If you'll give me just a minute,

[1:37:57] Voice 11: I'd like to say that Tina and I,

[1:37:59] Voice 11: we're not excited about spending that kind of money.

[1:38:02] Voice 11: We don't have that money lying around in our retirement,

[1:38:06] Voice 11: but we feel that we've got to a point for 28 years,

[1:38:09] Voice 11: we were young and able to load and unload from the beach.

[1:38:12] Voice 11: and I've had two knee surgeries and as I told you earlier today I'm just waiting for my third one

[1:38:19] Voice 11: I'm highly immobile and two years ago I fell on the beach while loading unloading I had a serious

[1:38:26] Voice 11: arm injury as a result shoulder injury and I'm still getting treatment I was in the hospital

[1:38:31] Voice 11: on May 18th just a month and a half ago for a procedure told that my shoulder may ultimately

[1:38:36] Voice 11: have to be rebuilt in the future my dad who's 80 years old who lives on the adjoining lot

[1:38:41] Voice 11: lot uh it's had both his hips replaced highly immobile um and we've done everything we can

[1:38:48] Voice 11: to try to avoid having to rebuild the dock largely because we didn't have the money but

[1:38:54] Voice 11: um we're at that stage now where it's a health and safety issue for us and um it's becoming more

[1:39:01] Voice 11: and more difficult almost impossible for my dad and certainly more difficult for us we want to

[1:39:05] Voice 11: plan for the future so that we can show our our homes both of those homes uh going forward okay

[1:39:11] Voice 4: thank you very much uh if there's no other questions for the applicants or really we're

[1:39:17] Voice 4: now going to talk amongst ourselves about how to address these the staff report and recommendations

[1:39:22] Voice 4: in there so thank you for joining us uh trustees there's two recommendations from the planner

[1:39:32] Voice 4: well

[1:39:33] Voice 5: it seems like there's not

[1:39:34] Voice 8: much yeah

[1:39:36] Voice 9: so i'm gonna go ahead and make the motion

[1:39:38] Voice 4: planner is right you can't put conditions on the development permit you can deny it

[1:39:46] Voice 4: and you can say no but remember the variance is simply for the landing concrete pad but you can

[1:39:55] Voice 4: be also i'm not of course he's right but the development permit is is a place where you

[1:40:02] Voice 4: if they check the boxes effectively then you don't have the ability for conditions that

[1:40:07] Voice 4: that are not contained in the actual uh checklist or the requirements of the development currently

[1:40:14] Voice 7: um well i'll go ahead and make the motion and then i'll just make a quick comment after

[1:40:18] Voice 7: sure let me put the galliano island local trust committee approve issuance of the development

[1:40:23] Voice 7: permit gldp 2022.1

[1:40:25] Voice 9: bucks and then do you want me to make the second one right

[1:40:28] Voice 4: you can do them both

[1:40:29] Voice 4: if you're prepared to support and

[1:40:31] Voice 9: then i'll make my comment okay and that they got in all local

[1:40:33] Voice 9: the trust committee approve issuance of development variance permit gld 2022 that's more to the box

[1:40:40] Voice 9: okay

[1:40:41] Voice 4: so we're second to this kind of move those have both been moved and seconded you have some

[1:40:44] Voice 4: things you'd like i

[1:40:45] Voice 8: just want to say that i think people should know as a whole that eventually we

[1:40:49] Voice 8: will have to make sacrifices to collectively protect and limit the impacts

[1:40:53] Voice 9: of anthropogenic

[1:40:54] Voice 9: development on

[1:40:55] Voice 3: the environment sooner or later that will happen but not in this case

[1:41:02] Voice 4: Trustee Wolberton, do you have anything you wish to say?

[1:41:04] Voice 8: No.

[1:41:05] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:41:06] Voice 8: Trustee Ruffalo said it.

[1:41:08] Voice 8: I

[1:41:09] Voice 4: must say I was struck by the, I will say this, is I was struck by the provisions in

[1:41:13] Voice 4: the, and I didn't know they were there until I saw this report in the OCP, about considering

[1:41:19] Voice 4: putting limitations on future docks.

[1:41:21] Voice 4: I'm particularly sensitive about it because I come from an area where there are more docks

[1:41:29] Voice 4: that almost anywhere well in any other local trust area now most of it's because it's water access

[1:41:36] Voice 4: only but this is uh probably not the preferred way of developing in these areas as opposed to a

[1:41:43] Voice 4: bigger community dock within water access zone i'm going to support the motion uh is there any further

[1:41:49] Voice 4: commentary okay so all in favor that passes thank you

[1:41:53] Voice 11: very much your

[1:41:54] Voice 4: dvp and your development permit

[1:41:56] Voice 4: a little issue um sure Tina

[1:41:59] Voice 11: and I would like to thank you so much and we uh we just really

[1:42:03] Voice 11: really appreciate it you're going to make our lives that much better uh and you're going to

[1:42:08] Voice 11: give us continued access to our home uh which was really a concern for us and my father so thank you

[1:42:13] Voice 11: thank

[1:42:13] Voice 6: you very very much um

[1:42:15] Voice 4: so we're going to if I could ask you then to turn your camera off and

[1:42:21] Voice 4: you can leave actually if you unless you want to stay and watch the rest of the meeting you're

[1:42:25] Voice 4: welcome to do uh the

[1:42:27] Voice 5: next item on

[1:42:27] Voice 4: the agenda then is uh 13.2 which is uh the diggers uh rezoning

[1:42:35] Voice 4: 2019.1 uh there's a stop memo attached to page uh 50 of the agenda over to you planners i think i

[1:42:45] Voice 5: have to oh

[1:42:45] Voice 4: sorry yes of course you do yeah

[1:42:54] Voice 2: thank you trustees i'm gonna leave it this way yes

[1:42:57] Voice 4: Yes, thanks, Planner Testamill.

[1:42:58] Voice 4: We'll see you.

[1:42:59] Voice 4: You don't have another item, so we'll see you on another island somewhere.

[1:43:03] Voice 17: Bye.

[1:43:05] Voice 17: Thanks, Planner Smith.

[1:43:12] Voice 15: So this is a staff memo on the figures application,

[1:43:16] Voice 15: bringing back some information to the trust committee with respect to resolutions

[1:43:20] Voice 15: that we passed in the sixth meeting with respect to the groundwater restriction

[1:43:25] Voice 17: and the housing agreement, and also just presenting the water management plan

[1:43:31] Voice 17: was not attached

[1:43:32] Voice 18: to that previous staff report, which

[1:43:37] Voice 4: there's no changes to since, but it does describe the minor amendments that were made since you first received it at the February 7th meeting.

[1:43:46] Voice 15: So with respect to the roundover restriction at the June 6th meeting, the LTC requested that staff explore additional restrictions in our claim of the Section 2.9 covenant to include intensive exterior uses.

[1:44:05] Voice 15: So I've been back with legal counsel and the applicant, and so there is language proposed there.

[1:44:12] Voice 15: The first option, as presented by our legal counsel, the applicant has requested that

[1:44:20] Voice 15: the LTC consider instead of a complete restriction on intensive uses, that they instead include

[1:44:26] Voice 15: a seasonal restriction.

[1:44:28] Voice 15: And so the second option is provided there that provides a seasonal restriction to those

[1:44:34] Voice 15: intensive uses, annual restriction to all irrigation uses, but a seasonal restriction

[1:44:40] Voice 15: a restriction to the intensive uses from only to apply the number of your questions with

[1:44:52] Voice 15: respect

[1:44:53] Voice 17: to legalese with respect to the motion

[1:45:01] Voice 15: was essentially to review the indemnity release

[1:45:07] Voice 4: clauses. So there's information provided there.

[1:45:10] Voice 4: from the

[1:45:10] Voice 15: local trust committee. And

[1:45:16] Voice 15: the question here is with respect to how the agreement was

[1:45:24] Voice 15: framed. And so with respect to the first question, the legal counsel sees that there's no

[1:45:34] Voice 15: contradictions within 3.3 and 3.5 and that they should remain. They questioned the need for the

[1:45:40] Voice 15: release clause in 3.8 and the african has agreed through their legal counsel that this clause can

[1:45:46] Voice 15: be removed and with respect to the framing of the ownership it was confirmed that the galliano club

[1:45:55] Voice 15: would need to be a signatory as the current owner of the property and with dialogue with the

[1:46:01] Voice 15: applicant and legal counsel it was also agreed that the givers would also be named as a signatory

[1:46:06] Voice 15: named as the society in the legal agreement for transparency and clarity moving forward

[1:46:13] Voice 15: and at such time as the subdivision would occur then the housing agreement would carry over to

[1:46:21] Voice 15: the title of both properties as it would be assigned to the title at time of zoning as

[1:46:27] Voice 15: part of the conditions and at that time the galleama club could seek discharge of the

[1:46:33] Voice 15: covenant from the local trust committee on the remainder property and the covenant and

[1:46:39] Voice 15: housing agreement would remain

[1:46:41] Voice 4: on title with respect to the two hectare parcel so that is

[1:46:48] Voice 4: how that is addressed so

[1:46:50] Voice 15: the covenant and the draft housing agreement provided in the attachments

[1:46:56] Voice 15: assessments show those changes attract changes for your preference and the water management

[1:47:03] Voice 15: plan is also attached and describing the last minor amendments

[1:47:07] Voice 4: that were recommended by

[1:47:08] Voice 4: staff and implemented by the look or by the applicant uh with respect to our final review

[1:47:27] Voice 4: okay um so there are a few things that you'd like some direction on from us there

[1:47:32] Voice 4: i gather but over to you trustee rock questions commentary i

[1:47:39] Voice 8: don't have any questions i was gonna

[1:47:41] Voice 6: to make a motion in regards to the option number one and two is extensive um exterior water use

[1:47:51] Voice 4: okay um okay maybe before we do that i do have a couple questions and i want to i have one question

[1:48:03] Voice 4: that i want to make sure i understand the question because we've been asked this question and i think

[1:48:08] Voice 4: it's important that we address it um and it's the question related to including the

[1:48:16] Voice 4: um the housing agreement and the and the um uh the section 290 covenant in the public hearing

[1:48:26] Voice 4: and the fact that if it's part of the consideration of the local trust committee

[1:48:30] Voice 4: and then it becomes part of that presuming we go post public hearing and once you're

[1:48:37] Voice 4: post-public hearing uh that uh that's part of the the issue but uh that we can't consider any more

[1:48:45] Voice 4: information on without reopening the public hearing um that's sort of the issue uh and this

[1:48:52] Voice 4: local trust committee has done that on one occasion reopened the public hearing uh early in

[1:48:57] Voice 4: the term but my question is is um when if we make some amendments to the housing agreement and the

[1:49:05] Voice 4: two sections section 219 covenant today the amended ones will they appear in the public

[1:49:13] Voice 4: hearing binders so the next step so these are i

[1:49:17] Voice 15: think the the changes for the questions you've

[1:49:21] Voice 15: posed and the changes that are uh suggested in the two attachments uh it would be staff's view

[1:49:28] Voice 15: that if you accepted those changes or or for any other modifications to those changes that at that

[1:49:35] Voice 15: point they would be more or less finalized documents and i wouldn't foresee any other

[1:49:40] Voice 15: changes being necessary post public hearing but uh with respect to your question uh so my next step

[1:49:48] Voice 15: would be to take these to finalize them with the track changes however you land on them uh to

[1:49:53] Voice 15: remove them as track changes uh the housing agreement bylaw uh well both of them would be

[1:49:58] Voice 15: assigned uh administrative bylaw numbers and they would be included in the public hearing binder

[1:50:04] Voice 15: along with all the other staff reports and uh correspondence and all the other uh records that

[1:50:12] Voice 15: our legislative clerk is currently compiling uh

[1:50:15] Voice 4: for uh the july 16th republic right and and just

[1:50:22] Voice 4: for clarity and that's always been my understanding that that's the place you go if you want to see

[1:50:26] Voice 4: everything the public hearing binder which is attacked which is prepared for the public hearing

[1:50:32] Voice 4: so that anybody can see all of the current state of all the uh it is meant to be the complete public

[1:50:38] Voice 4: record of the application right whatever that application is can be the the legislative

[1:50:45] Voice 15: requirement uh uh for holding a public hearing is is is only on uh land use zoning or secret

[1:50:52] Voice 15: not administrative bios but the structure of uh of those legislative requirements are that or

[1:51:00] Voice 15: or the expectation is that all documents and correspondence

[1:51:06] Voice 15: and

[1:51:07] Voice 14: other pieces of that are all included

[1:51:10] Voice 14: within the scope of that public hearing

[1:51:14] Voice 14: in relation

[1:51:16] Voice 15: to those zoning and OCP bylaws.

[1:51:19] Voice 15: And as such, the LTC is required to not receive

[1:51:23] Voice 15: any new

[1:51:23] Voice 4: submissions on any of those components

[1:51:26] Voice 4: on it says they are all relevant to the zoning amendments right and one of the portions of the

[1:51:37] Voice 4: public hearing script that i get because it's a fairly formalized script that i read out during

[1:51:42] Voice 4: as we as the chair the chair reads out says that however individuals can continue to communicate

[1:51:50] Voice 4: the planning staff but not directly to the not directly to the trust okay so i just wanted to

[1:51:56] Voice 4: clear that up so that there was no misunderstanding about why why it's important to have the housing

[1:52:03] Voice 4: agreement of the covenant in place um and that why this process is followed but that

[1:52:09] Voice 4: that whenever we get to as you say almost completed form would be before the public

[1:52:16] Voice 4: it can be able to be commented on at the uh the publisher and

[1:52:20] Voice 15: just to further know the local

[1:52:22] Voice 15: government has very clear requirements for what notification requirements and the information

[1:52:27] Voice 15: that is required to be included in that public hearing right

[1:52:31] Voice 4: uh notice thanks so we are very

[1:52:33] Voice 4: careful to ensure that the notification requirements follow those stuff okay so

[1:52:39] Voice 4: again before we get to your motion i'm going to turn the applicants here uh welcome um

[1:52:45] Voice 4: do you want to say anything about the staff report or are you just going to save yourself

[1:52:51] Voice 4: for a community information meeting this afternoon to see i'll

[1:52:55] Voice 13: just say one really

[1:52:56] Voice 13: quick thing i don't think there's too much to discuss today but um regarding the restrictions

[1:53:00] Voice 13: on groundwater use um just want to be clear that um giga's intent is not is to not use

[1:53:07] Voice 13: groundwater for exterior uses um operationally that'll be their plan um we just don't want it

[1:53:13] Voice 13: into evidence to avoid any risk that founders might see having an overly restrictive covenant

[1:53:19] Voice 13: um so i just want to make sure the public and the trustees that the attendance that

[1:53:23] Voice 13: gators will have good water management practices and use green water attachment

[1:53:27] Voice 13: um

[1:53:28] Voice 8: can

[1:53:31] Voice 4: i and again i want to supersede trustee rockefeller's motion but

[1:53:38] Voice 4: i was struck by the request of well maybe i should ask trustee rockefeller are you going

[1:53:42] Voice 4: to include a seasonal restriction in the motion are you not like is i was wondering how you feel

[1:53:50] Voice 4: when you included october as well as september and the reason i

[1:53:55] Voice 4: asked that is i know i came into this

[1:53:58] Voice 4: job not knowing much about water and one of the things i've learned is that october is actually

[1:54:04] Voice 4: one of the the areas where you have the most the least amount of water flow in wealth etc that

[1:54:12] Voice 4: tends to be one of the lowest that was

[1:54:13] Voice 3: my function okay

[1:54:14] Voice 4: there you go go ahead i

[1:54:17] Voice 9: wrote it okay

[1:54:19] Voice 9: uh but the ltc direct staff to amend the covenant to include the second option as described in the

[1:54:24] Voice 9: july 4th staff report regarding intensive uses and to change the period of restriction from

[1:54:31] Voice 9: may through october inclusive okay let

[1:54:35] Voice 4: me just make sure carly got that

[1:54:36] Voice 9: oh and actually pre-wrote

[1:54:37] Voice 9: so i could even say yeah yeah or you

[1:54:43] Voice 5: could email me yeah so

[1:54:45] Voice 5: i'll

[1:55:00] Voice 4: just say i'm going to second that

[1:55:01] Voice 4: as long as that's clear enough to the to the planner but we don't have to read the whole

[1:55:07] Voice 4: language as long as it describes the july 4th yes yes it's the second option you put just changing

[1:55:14] Voice 4: the date to october okay

[1:55:18] Voice 17: as soon as you've got it you've got it

[1:55:23] Voice 10: there you go oh i did i emailed it

[1:55:25] Voice 10: okay okay

[1:55:29] Voice 5: so

[1:55:33] Voice 4: that's second did you wish to um speak to your motion uh so having said that we'll

[1:55:41] Voice 4: uh call vote that i would favor that passes unanimously um so other items on the do you

[1:55:50] Voice 4: have other motions you'd like to make or other items that so i guess the question is do you need

[1:55:55] Voice 4: we do we need to pass the motions to accept the amended language in the housing agreement

[1:56:00] Voice 4: section 219 covenant

[1:56:02] Voice 10: i've

[1:56:04] Voice 4: read them i'm comfortable with the legal review of the

[1:56:09] Voice 4: the uh release and taking that out almost come for the other language that was taken out

[1:56:14] Voice 4: um and i'm comfortable with the the changes uh particularly the word changing the word uh should

[1:56:21] Voice 4: well uh i think that's a uh that's a good um and i guess my only question is is when we get to

[1:56:29] Voice 4: if we go to page 53 there's a section related to stormwater management and while the highlighted

[1:56:39] Voice 4: the portion in the staff report still says should you're suggesting it read will correct just meant

[1:56:44] Voice 4: to point out where in that should we change to will in the bullet up above section seven right

[1:56:51] Voice 4: and that's the section that says it's designed to include an accurate plan cannot be created

[1:56:56] Voice 4: but considerations will be made for storage of storm water and a myth and a means for a controlled

[1:57:01] Voice 4: release of the water uh et cetera and the draft document no it does um i read the some of the

[1:57:13] Voice 4: document talking about how that when that plan comes about that there will be plans made to have

[1:57:20] Voice 4: storage and referral release etc to deal with the issue that was addressed to us and also as we have

[1:57:28] Voice 4: have water you know when we have storm issues etc so maybe just a motion to accept the suggested

[1:57:36] Voice 4: changes from the planner related to the housing agreement and the section 2 19 covenant would

[1:57:41] Voice 4: that be sufficient for your placement are you good with that yeah do you

[1:57:45] Voice 4: want to make that

[1:57:46] Voice 4: looking all right we'll just

[1:57:47] Voice 10: get it yeah

[1:57:48] Voice 4: carly just i already got

[1:57:50] Voice 4: it um

[1:57:51] Voice 8: well that's a lot to

[1:57:52] Voice 8: expect you

[1:57:54] Voice 9: said that the lc will direct staff to accept the suggested changes from the planner

[1:57:58] Voice 9: related to the housing agreement in the section 219 in the

[1:58:02] Voice 4: july 4th uh staff member

[1:58:09] Voice 4: I would leave out covenant because the first motion you passed was slightly different than

[1:58:17] Voice 4: what's described and so I would just so the first one's covered the covenant change and

[1:58:24] Voice 4: that's the only change that was in the covenant was the that language and then I would just

[1:58:31] Voice 4: included this one the housing agreement and water management plan okay and then just remind me

[1:58:39] Voice 4: because there's so many applications and where they are the water management plan is attached

[1:58:44] Voice 4: as an attachment to the housing agreement it would be attached uh

[1:58:48] Voice 17: as a report in the

[1:58:50] Voice 17: of the covenant sorry the comment

[1:58:52] Voice 17: okay the housing agreement is a standalone and then and the

[1:59:01] Voice 15: we're sorry

[1:59:02] Voice 14: the housing agreement

[1:59:02] Voice 15: stands on its own the covenant uh in the uh in the definitions

[1:59:07] Voice 15: it describes the water management plan

[1:59:10] Voice 4: and it will need to be perhaps updated to a new date

[1:59:12] Voice 4: so i can check that okay okay

[1:59:15] Voice 5: whereas

[1:59:17] Voice 4: that water

[1:59:18] Voice 15: whereas the covenant gets finalized it

[1:59:20] Voice 15: will have documents attached to it

[1:59:21] Voice 4: that reference that a reference so this motion should read that

[1:59:27] Voice 4: we we that we accept the recommended changes to the housing agreement and the water management

[1:59:34] Voice 4: plan um as contained in the staff report of july 4th 2020. i might need to go back to the government

[1:59:42] Voice 4: to amend the date from february to but that's a minor okay that's a that's anything further related

[1:59:48] Voice 4: okay anything you'd like to say no just call vote all in favor that passes okay so we've got the

[2:00:00] Voice 4: amendments to the water management plan the red amendments to the housing agreement amendments to

[2:00:06] Voice 4: the section 219 covenant all of which have been now adopted by the trust

[2:00:12] Voice 4: committee if you're

[2:00:12] Voice 4: anything further you need from us this day it's pointing

[2:00:15] Voice 15: to uh article h on page

[2:00:17] Voice 4: 55 of the report

[2:00:25] Voice 4: all right and um i think i'll just say at this stage while we're in here that of course it's

[2:00:34] Voice 4: six o'clock tonight right here we'll be doing a uh a cim related to this particular project

[2:00:40] Voice 4: and i'll record the presentation from the planner um and uh if anybody's watching i'll say this now

[2:00:49] Voice 4: now and I'll say it again later because of the question from a member of the community

[2:00:54] Voice 4: that what we'll do is because we won't be having live interaction on the on the on the

[2:01:02] Voice 4: but rather the live stream is if you have questions as we're going through the the meeting

[2:01:08] Voice 4: if you're not here in the hall yourself and in fact you could do it today if you know

[2:01:14] Voice 4: what your question is um please email it to myself at d rogers d-r-o-g-e-r-s at islandstrust.bc.c

[2:01:25] Voice 4: a or to t rockefeller at trust.bc.ca and we'll put those questions out there as they come in so

[2:01:35] Voice 4: that's the way we're going to handle that in the two hour session from uh six till eight okay uh

[2:01:42] Voice 4: i think further related to this right now okay thanks very much you want to get trust people

[2:01:49] we'll be

[2:01:55] Voice 4: moving now to 13.3 which is the uh crystal mountain stock report of uh

[2:02:02] Voice 4: starting on page 90 of the agenda so again

[2:02:23] Voice 4: over to you and uh i know there's some of the

[2:02:28] Voice 4: applicant like this

[2:02:30] Voice 17: is here so go ahead

[2:02:55] Voice 15: bringing back the local trust committee at the gm4 meeting

[2:03:00] Voice 15: concerned that the maximum proposed capacity and daily use uh did not the

[2:03:09] Voice 18: water use did not align

[2:03:11] Voice 15: with the uh the sustainable yield if uh you were in a situation where uh you did not have access to

[2:03:19] Voice 15: remote attachment for non-quantable and thus they requested the

[2:03:24] Voice 15: staff to work with them to restore options to better align that either through a phased approach

[2:03:32] Voice 15: to development or through a reduced reduced capacity the applicants get back to the local

[2:03:43] Voice 15: trust committee with a letter that's attached to the staff report proposing a reduction in capacity

[2:03:49] Voice 15: daily use from 35 to 27 which would include the removal of 210 platforms as well as

[2:03:59] Voice 15: participants from 35 to 7. and so that was the 210 platforms plus six daily users

[2:04:08] Voice 15: and uh and that then brings the uh estimates as provided by the professional engineer who

[2:04:18] Voice 15: draft of the one-man plan that's being daily used

[2:04:21] Voice 15: for low sustainable

[2:04:24] Voice 4: yield by a reduction of 743.4

[2:04:27] Voice 4: liters.

[2:04:30] Voice 15: Sustainable yield for the total daily use

[2:04:35] Voice 15: could be addressed with groundwater in the case

[2:04:39] Voice 15: of, so that

[2:04:48] Voice 15: is the language there

[2:04:49] Voice 15: proposed to change the draft by-law

[2:04:54] Voice 15: if the local trust committee decides to make these amendments and report those

[2:05:01] Voice 17: motions provided there

[2:05:04] Voice 17: there's also a question of a notification process

[2:05:16] Voice 15: if the applicant has requested uh up to four times per year a maximum of 60 persons daily

[2:05:24] Voice 15: use instead

[2:05:25] Voice 4: of 27 and if the ltc decides to go in that direction then

[2:05:32] Voice 15: variations of the amendments

[2:05:35] Voice 15: the creation of a two-week notification or a written notification of the local trust

[2:05:42] Voice 15: committee in two weeks or at least two weeks in advance there was some concern expressed

[2:05:50] Voice 15: at a previous meeting by the local trust committee that that notification should go to

[2:05:55] Voice 15: local residents not the local trust committee and if the local trust committee wants to

[2:05:59] Voice 15: take that route by staff staff would require more time to develop that language and staff

[2:06:09] Voice 15: are not recommending that so due to the challenges that would ensue the complexity

[2:06:16] Voice 15: of managing and enforcing that requirement to notify neighbors presented again as the

[2:06:24] Voice 15: items trust policy checklist for consideration by the logistics committee and staff are also

[2:06:30] Voice 15: recommending that you proceed to a mission meeting at this time because staff reports

[2:06:36] Voice 15: is also recommendation for considering given that you're nearing the end of your term

[2:06:41] Voice 15: and limitations for holding that public hearing uh along with all the other business that we're

[2:06:50] Voice 15: attending to at the end of the term not even on this island but uh four other southern gulf islands

[2:06:54] Voice 15: staff managed and the risk of being post public hearing with new trustees i want to then

[2:07:03] Voice 15: unwind that and accept more submissions uh staff are only recommending

[2:07:10] Voice 5: there

[2:07:13] Voice 10: and uh let's let's

[2:07:20] Voice 4: try and do this in the questions for the planner related to his staff report and i guess and i

[2:07:28] Voice 4: guess to some extent uh i assume william you're willing to steal questions if we have any for you

[2:07:35] Voice 4: as well uh questions from the trustees for the plan no questions okay i don't

[2:07:46] Voice 8: have any questions

[2:07:48] Voice 4: okay um a couple of questions that were sorry oh

[2:08:07] Voice 5: sure

[2:08:08] Voice 17: yes sorry

[2:08:09] Voice 4: um okay so here's a question

[2:08:14] Voice 4: that was asked during the course of the town hall today and i guess i want to know what this looks

[2:08:19] Voice 4: like and what the staff recommendation is uh is the question was asked whether uh it would be

[2:08:26] Voice 4: prudent or appropriate to await the provincial water license um before holding a before moving

[2:08:33] Voice 4: this process any farther um then i've had some experience i've had some exposure to some of this

[2:08:40] Voice 4: and and certainly redevelopments make conditional on a license but i haven't actually because we

[2:08:46] Voice 4: can't control that process but i wonder if you have any commentary related to that suggestion

[2:08:53] Voice 4: sure uh so the crystal mountain society has application for two

[2:09:00] uh water

[2:09:03] Voice 4: license one is an existing use license and also a new use license and so uh since they

[2:09:11] Voice 4: have applied for their existing use license before the deadline that they are lawful to

[2:09:21] Voice 4: withdraw that non-domestic use um until they're insubordinated

[2:09:27] Voice 17: and there's their license gets

[2:09:29] Voice 17: either approved or not um so in that time this is still the transitioning period from when

[2:09:41] non-domestic groundwater use was licensed under the water sustainability act in

[2:09:46] that we're in 2016 and the province has allowed for those existing

[2:09:52] Voice 17: users to transition into the

[2:09:54] Voice 4: license licensing regime and for those users to continue use lawfully all they had to do was

[2:10:03] Voice 4: provide an application and crystal mountain society has done that if if they were to use

[2:10:10] Voice 4: use beyond that and then into their new use then that would be unlawful so new users um if you were

[2:10:17] if you used

[2:10:18] Voice 4: an anonymous use after february 2016 um you're not allowed to use that use until you

[2:10:26] Voice 4: get the water license um in the case of like compelling another agency to do things that

[2:10:33] Voice 4: we want them to do as you said chair rogers that's not really what we do but when the

[2:10:38] The license is adjudicated, the Adamant's Trust staff gets referred that license, and at that time, we supply some

[2:10:50] Voice 17: significant analysis to not only the zoning conditions that

[2:10:55] Voice 4: they need, our zoning conditions,

[2:10:56] Voice 4: but also other considerations with respect to preserve and protect the environment and other elements of the community.

[2:11:06] Voice 17: and at that time that's when we provide that analysis to water authorizations it's

[2:11:20] Voice 5: um again

[2:11:24] Voice 10: it's been a long term

[2:11:26] Voice 4: and i think you forget all the motion i forget all the motions that

[2:11:30] Voice 4: have been made over this time period but have we ever uh indicated i'm asking clarence smith

[2:11:35] Voice 4: that we would never adopt uh a rezoning unless the water license was granted i think we may

[2:11:43] Voice 4: have done on another application but i'm not sure we ever get on this application or did we recall

[2:11:48] Voice 4: we have not passed a resolution at this time for for

[2:11:52] Voice 15: crystal mountain um but you put the

[2:11:56] Voice 15: staff recommendation with the uh that uh well what's your question have we some giggers we did

[2:12:05] Voice 15: not because they have the water right valley isn't there yet um

[2:12:10] Voice 4: we did i i'm getting i know

[2:12:15] Voice 1: we did it

[2:12:16] Voice 4: on gabriel as we did but

[2:12:17] Voice 1: that was on the housing project

[2:12:19] Voice 4: and we specifically said

[2:12:20] Voice 4: you can't have your adoption until you've got your water license

[2:12:24] Voice 4: was we did not right okay okay just for clarity chair roger that posing um it was a new use it

[2:12:38] Voice 4: wasn't an existing and i guess i just want to clarify something just for my own sake and i'm

[2:12:45] Voice 4: sorry i want to turn to trustees and let them ask questions but or make commentary but my question

[2:12:51] Voice 4: would be um did i do i recall you saying if not last month than the month before that when it's

[2:13:00] Voice 4: a license for an existing use it's sort of a longer process because or is that yours of a

[2:13:07] Voice 4: shorter process i just try to get my head around so that their the length of adjudication has been

[2:13:14] that'd be less than how long it takes but what i have noticed is that the adjudication of

[2:13:20] existing groundwater licenses has taken longer

[2:13:23] Voice 4: than your parallel right in this case i imagine

[2:13:28] Voice 4: they will adjudicate both of them together um

[2:13:32] Voice 17: using the technical assessment that the applicant

[2:13:36] Voice 17: has provided right

[2:13:39] Voice 4: i'll come to you in a minute um are there any other questions for the planner

[2:13:45] Voice 4: or mr schulberg or william before we go yeah not

[2:13:50] Voice 3: yet but brad has oh

[2:13:51] Voice 4: sorry you could create

[2:13:53] Voice 15: a conditional rezoning approval subject to their receipt of uh water risks yeah and

[2:14:01] Voice 4: as i said

[2:14:03] Voice 4: will um freshwater specials that's too long a name william is absolutely correct that was a new use

[2:14:11] Voice 4: but we did pass a motion saying it won't get your we won't adopt the bylaw until until you we know

[2:14:18] Voice 4: you've got your water license we were satisfied when we saw we wanted the province to be satisfied

[2:14:22] Voice 4: as well and which would play into your commentary i think last month that you don't know what

[2:14:29] Voice 4: because they could ask for something different than what we've considered so far and it'd be on

[2:14:39] Voice 4: on the portable housing on main island they the province did ask for more information to

[2:14:46] Voice 4: to the applicant right there

[2:14:48] Voice 10: right okay yeah go ahead i'm just i want

[2:14:51] Voice 9: to make sure i don't

[2:14:52] Voice 9: think it changed but that the request for the list is still 3 300 liters

[2:14:58] Voice 3: per day yeah

[2:14:59] Voice 3: okay okay

[2:15:03] Voice 4: sorry i've asked all the questions so far anything from either you for the planner or

[2:15:09] Voice 4: mr not

[2:15:09] Voice 7: yet okay so

[2:15:11] Voice 4: let me turn to the applicant and ask you um thank you uh if you have commentary

[2:15:17] Voice 4: on the staff report and anything else that you'd like us to say a few minutes and go ahead i don't

[2:15:24] Voice 4: know who wants to speak go ahead just

[2:15:25] Voice 17: to piggyback on mr's comments my impression for the water

[2:15:32] Voice 17: license applications are and this would give you a branch are that the existing the submission of

[2:15:40] Voice 17: the existing application um makes the continued use prior to it being assessed the new use

[2:15:52] Voice 17: application that was made subsequent to that my impression or what was indicated to me is that

[2:15:58] Voice 17: that will be addressed first and it is linked with the existing use and so they will assess

[2:16:06] Voice 17: the new use application um and accept it or conditions or whatever and at that point the

[2:16:17] Voice 10: existing use education would be no i

[2:16:27] Voice 4: think so it's as somebody said about another part of the

[2:16:34] Voice 4: i think you were talking about about uh wastewater but there's multi-varied things that can go to

[2:16:42] Voice 4: lots of different directions lots of people anyway go ahead anyway do you have other things you'd

[2:16:48] Voice 4: like to say about the staff report the recommendations from the staff report the

[2:16:52] Voice 4: contents of it any other commentary that the the applicant would like to make at this stage

[2:16:57] Voice 4: Yeah,

[2:17:04] Voice 9: we talked about reading statements. It's a general statement. It's interesting as applicants, sometimes it feels like in these meetings, actually, we don't, we don't actually talk a lot.

[2:17:18] Voice 9: um and after eight years it does feel like and at this moment in time that

[2:17:25] Voice 6: a public statement feels

[2:17:26] Voice 6: important um for people who aren't necessarily really close into uh what this proposal is about

[2:17:36] Voice 6: too so uh it's very short okay so a lot of people have asked us why is crystal mountain society

[2:17:44] Voice 6: trying to rezone the forest lot on Galeano given the agonizing history of these F1 parcels.

[2:17:54] Voice 6: And they also ask us where we find the standard to continue and not to simply walk away after 18 years of trying.

[2:18:03] Voice 6: And it's because each and every one of us here has personally and deeply transformed by our experiences

[2:18:12] Voice 6: is meditating in the forest, watching our breath, observing our

[2:18:19] Voice 9: busy minds, and contemplating

[2:18:22] Voice 8: the magnificence of a

[2:18:23] Voice 6: tree, of

[2:18:25] Voice 8: a bird, of an insect, and just how connected we all are.

[2:18:33] Voice 7: These days, lots of people recognize the value of

[2:18:37] Voice 9: immersion in this type of activity.

[2:18:39] Voice 9: Now, I have never been involved in a process as complex and involved as this rebuilding.

[2:18:46] Voice 9: We've been studying our OCP, our items, trust

[2:18:50] Voice 8: directives, land use bylaws, and the important role that the LTC plays.

[2:18:57] Voice 8: The attention to detail has humbled us, and we have a renewed sense of respect for what the trust objectives are and how best to follow them.

[2:19:09] Voice 8: we've hosted 18 public meetings and witnessed countless town halls we have listened

[2:19:16] Voice 6: to the community and our trustees and what we've learned is that protection

[2:19:20] Voice 8: of our forests and

[2:19:22] Voice 8: groundwater is of utmost importance we've been on the island for 40 years we're

[2:19:30] Voice 9: members of this

[2:19:31] Voice 9: community we take these guidelines seriously we've also

[2:19:35] Voice 6: taken our neighbors input to heart

[2:19:37] Voice 6: every single person who has spoken.

[2:19:41] Voice 6: We've crafted and changed our application

[2:19:43] Voice 6: to respond to their needs and to their good ideas.

[2:19:47] Voice 6: And the result of these collaborations

[2:19:49] Voice 6: is that this application is better

[2:19:52] Voice 6: at preserving and protecting forest ecosystems

[2:19:55] Voice 6: and groundwater than it would have been without them.

[2:20:00] Voice 6: We initiated among the first water management plans

[2:20:05] Voice 6: in the area and are the first rebuilding

[2:20:07] Voice 6: building to provide emergency access to the neighbors in the north end of the island.

[2:20:12] Voice 6: A snapshot of some of the larger changes in our application are six years ago, we agreed

[2:20:18] Voice 6: to transfer a title of 75% of our land to the Islands Trust Conservancy, including notably

[2:20:25] Voice 6: a 10-acre residential lot.

[2:20:27] Voice 6: Four years ago, we reduced hut numbers from 30 to 22.

[2:20:31] Voice 6: Three years ago, we simplified our

[2:20:33] Voice 8: huts, lowering our impact and footprint to have no plumbing

[2:20:38] Voice 8: for cooking capacity. Last year we again reduced our hut numbers to 17 and agreed to limit our day

[2:20:45] Voice 8: use.

[2:20:47] Voice 6: This year we volunteered to protect 60 percent of the forest cover in our 15 acres

[2:20:54] Voice 6: which also includes protecting old

[2:20:57] Voice 8: trees and their critical root systems. A month ago

[2:21:02] Voice 8: we once again reduced our participant numbers to align with

[2:21:06] Voice 6: the revised water management plan

[2:21:07] Voice 6: and the sustainable yields of our well.

[2:21:13] Voice 6: Today, despite

[2:21:17] Voice 8: the town hall,

[2:21:19] Voice 8: we're feeling optimistic

[2:21:20] Voice 8: that by protecting 90% of the forest cover

[2:21:25] Voice 8: on these 60 acres,

[2:21:29] Voice 8: that we're setting an important model

[2:21:31] Voice 8: for future resumings of forest lots.

[2:21:34] Voice 8: One wall will be able to offer islanders

[2:21:37] Voice 8: and other folks the opportunity

[2:21:39] Voice 8: to pursue the age-old desire to

[2:21:43] Voice 6: understand our hearts and our minds

[2:21:45] Voice 6: through spiritual education, study, and training in this protected natural setting.

[2:21:53] Voice 6: And I do see this as an important community need and benefit in this community.

[2:22:00] Voice 6: We're moving into increasingly difficult times environmentally and socially.

[2:22:06] Voice 6: I believe that the Forest Retreat Center here on Galliano is an amazing contribution to all our futures.

[2:22:15] Voice 6: Today, we're ready to have dates set

[2:22:17] Voice 8: for both the community information meeting and the public hearing.

[2:22:24] Voice 8: We look forward to engaging with the broader community and to move towards the ultimate goal of helping to foster healthy community and connection.

[2:22:34] Voice 8: action thanks for your time

[2:22:39] Voice 10: i'm going

[2:22:47] Voice 17: to say you might want to consider sending that to us

[2:22:50] Voice 4: as more of the information but up to you

[2:22:54] Voice 3: um

[2:22:55] Voice 4: do you have anything else you'd like to comment on

[2:22:58] Voice 4: in relation to the the staff report and the recommendations having heard the having heard

[2:23:05] Voice 4: that the planner thought about what his recommendation is before i turned to the

[2:23:09] Voice 4: trustee i'm not seeing anything okay so trustees what do you want to do what are you ready to do

[2:23:20] Voice 8: um didn't you do i

[2:23:24] Voice 3: was just checking back to see if there were any outstanding questions

[2:23:31] Voice 3: um today's

[2:23:34] Voice 8: okay so there um art moses brought up some issues i actually that suzanne had raised

[2:23:42] Voice 8: about the gray water discharge and i wasn't sure if you have any comments about that

[2:23:48] Voice 9: because i there were some things that i hadn't heard before

[2:23:52] Voice 16: and what she had said so i think

[2:23:55] Voice 9: libby um addressed that when she responded to our relationship with the um violent health authority

[2:24:03] Voice 9: i don't know that you can want to reiterate that for jane um there

[2:24:11] Voice 8: was some question about

[2:24:12] Voice 8: I don't know about the screen, but they said that they had come to stay.

[2:24:19] Voice 8: OK, OK. Yeah. So, OK.

[2:24:22] Voice 4: And so.

[2:24:28] Voice 4: So my assumption is assumption at some point, an application for a subject system.

[2:24:35] Voice 4: you have to be able

[2:24:36] Voice 4: to be approved by the office we have an approved system you have an application

[2:24:51] Voice 4: i'm sorry as they said so many things you would track okay so does that answer your question

[2:25:06] Voice 5: I want

[2:25:07] Voice 4: to ask one more question just so I make sure I understand and let staff address it.

[2:25:14] Voice 4: A couple of the things we had a few of the submissions today, including from two former trustees, but also others that say,

[2:25:23] Voice 4: um why is this allowed to continue to operate in the face of of uh just because the application

[2:25:34] Voice 4: is pending we addressed a little bit about the fact that what staff may or may not have said to

[2:25:39] Voice 4: crd or vr or somebody else um i just want to make sure i understand because i went back and found

[2:25:45] Voice 4: the standing resolution from july of 2020 um and what is your understanding trustees of what the

[2:25:55] Voice 4: status was because it was a standing resolution from july 2020 which basically said if there's

[2:26:01] Voice 4: a if there's just an enforcement and an application you consider a bunch of things and

[2:26:06] Voice 4: make a decision about whether of course to consider but are you saying we made a specific

[2:26:10] Voice 4: determination related to crystal mountain at some point not

[2:26:14] Voice 8: to crystal mountain there was

[2:26:15] Voice 8: discussions i've pulled up the minutes from september 2020 in which it was moved and

[2:26:21] Voice 8: seconded that the galliano island local trust committee moved the motion as circulated regarding

[2:26:26] Voice 8: the unlawful land use uses and planning applications so discussion was held about

[2:26:32] Voice 8: how enforcement of this motion would affect crystal mountain society uh trustee wolverton

[2:26:37] Voice 8: suggested a friendly amendment to change the wording to the in the policy from where an

[2:26:43] Voice 8: applicant is received to where an applicant has been received discussion followed but that that

[2:26:50] Voice 8: amendment was not made so it stood as where an application

[2:26:55] Voice 3: is received and that's in our standing

[2:26:57] Voice 3: resolution right

[2:26:59] Voice 10: and

[2:27:00] Voice 3: there was discussion at the time i recall about the legality of trying to

[2:27:05] Voice 9: uh retroactively um place that on on an existing application and

[2:27:12] Voice 4: the conclusion was that that that

[2:27:15] Voice 3: was not possible that was my understanding okay or my recollection okay

[2:27:19] Voice 10: um exactly

[2:27:24] Voice 4: okay

[2:27:27] Voice 4: uh go ahead what did you want to do trustee well i

[2:27:30] Voice 3: don't want to if people have other more

[2:27:33] Voice 3: discussion i was going to begin with the questions anything

[2:27:38] Voice 5: else okay i

[2:27:42] Voice 9: appreciate the fact that it

[2:27:44] Voice 9: has been reduced if it was in the groundwater availability as a turn by cohort because

[2:27:49] Voice 9: that was my last concern um so i moved with the gallon oil and local trust committee we're saying

[2:27:54] Voice 9: first reading of bylaw number 2007.

[2:27:57] Voice 4: it's the first motion on the staff report is there a seconder

[2:28:01] Voice 4: okay do you want to speak to that um while

[2:28:05] Voice 3: we're rescinding it i assume to amend it to the new

[2:28:09] Voice 3: capacity okay

[2:28:10] Voice 4: um okay anything trustee bolton you wish to say anything no okay so then yeah so

[2:28:20] Voice 4: right to say that

[2:28:22] Voice 17: i guess from my perspective this is another actually i'm going to comment

[2:28:31] Voice 17: after the second motion

[2:28:32] Voice 4: if that if that is made um or the third motion anyway go ahead uh

[2:28:43] Voice 4: you're a second any further motions um

[2:28:45] Voice 9: yeah i move that the gallon on local trust committee

[2:28:47] Voice 9: and then proposed bylaw number 257 to establish cumulative day use limits at 27 persons in area a

[2:28:54] Voice 9: and three persons in area b including retreat users to reduce the maximum number of platforms

[2:28:59] Voice 9: platforms in area eight from five to three and to reduce the maximum number of overnight retreat

[2:29:04] Voice 9: users in both area and b 22 is

[2:29:08] Voice 4: there a seconder for that motion do

[2:29:10] Voice 4: either of you wish to speak

[2:29:12] Voice 4: no uh okay then uh i'll call those all in favor

[2:29:22] Voice 4: your further motion um

[2:29:24] Voice 8: you can do the third motion i think galliano island local trust

[2:29:27] Voice 8: committee care first reading of bylaw number 257 as amended okay

[2:29:32] Voice 4: is there a second for that

[2:29:34] Voice 9: um i'll second and comment that it's it's i'm i'm absolutely considering this just of the land and

[2:29:41] Voice 9: not the organization and while i believe the organization has very good intentions i also

[2:29:46] Voice 9: believe that this use of

[2:29:48] Voice 3: the land protects the forestry as specified in our ocp yeah

[2:29:54] Voice 4: yeah interesting that's what i was going to talk about is we've had some commentary that we're

[2:29:59] Voice 4: trying

[2:30:00] Voice 4: regulate people and and all of this is being done in order to in my view in order to try and respect

[2:30:08] Voice 4: the and or at least to regulate the land and how it's used and uh including the water etc etc this

[2:30:17] Voice 4: was done in response to our discussion not about how many people and what they're doing but rather

[2:30:22] Voice 4: about how much water we're using etc and how that will play out um so i just wanted to say that as

[2:30:30] Voice 4: well so thank you for that uh is there anything further trustee what we're doing nothing i will

[2:30:36] Voice 9: include just that it's 18 hectares of transferred most ecologically sensitive land in the area

[2:30:42] Voice 9: is no small names to me so i would

[2:30:47] Voice 3: i will always remember that as the driving force behind

[2:30:50] Voice 3: in supporting this application thus far okay

[2:30:54] Voice 4: then um i'll ask the trustees to be ready to vote on

[2:30:58] Voice 4: this motion okay so all in favor so all those in favor of that as well so that's three in favor

[2:31:06] Voice 4: um there's a third motion this is and this is not the first time we've seen this

[2:31:11] Voice 10: sorry fourth

[2:31:11] Voice 4: motion this is the trust policy statement

[2:31:17] uh i

[2:31:22] Voice 7: can make the motion that the galliano island local trust committee has reviewed the island's

[2:31:26] Voice 7: trust policy

[2:31:27] Voice 8: statement directive policies checklist and determined that proposed bylaw

[2:31:31] Voice 8: numbers two five six and two five seven are not contrary to or

[2:31:37] Voice 16: at variance with the island's trust

[2:31:38] Voice 16: policy statement okay

[2:31:41] Voice 4: second do you wish to speak to that um

[2:31:45] Voice 9: i think i had issues with the water

[2:31:47] Voice 9: initially in relation to the checklist and um now i'm satisfied with the outcome there so

[2:31:54] Voice 9: yeah

[2:31:56] Voice 3: i think

[2:31:57] Voice 3: the reduction of the numbers are using the land and um it's quite significant

[2:32:04] Voice 3: when you go back and you look at some of the the original uh proposals but also that my sense is

[2:32:12] Voice 3: is that the protection of the 75%

[2:32:17] Voice 3: plus the forest cover is significant

[2:32:20] Voice 3: as Trustee Rupp ever said.

[2:32:22] Voice 3: And I believe we'll

[2:32:24] Voice 16: add to Galliano's protected property.

[2:32:37] Voice 4: So this is the part where I see

[2:32:41] Voice 4: a large part of my role in this,

[2:32:44] Voice 4: um because uh for this application in particular um you know i don't live on galley i don't know

[2:32:54] Voice 4: i take sort of my direction and the direction of the application a lot from the local trustees

[2:33:02] Voice 4: however this is the overriding trust policy statement from the trust and i will uh at

[2:33:10] Voice 4: least part of my role is being on the executive committee is to um give another point of view

[2:33:17] Voice 4: related to the or at least a point of view from the trust as a whole to the trust policy state

[2:33:24] Voice 17: um it may be seen

[2:33:28] Voice 4: as somewhat trite and people may not accept it but i have spent a lot of time

[2:33:35] Voice 4: um thinking about this application in relation to the trust policy statement and i've particularly

[2:33:42] Voice 4: thought about the sections around the forest, and what Ms. Smith talked to us about, and

[2:33:50] Voice 4: also around the water section of section 4.4.2, and frankly, I have struggled with both of

[2:34:02] Voice 4: those.

[2:34:03] Voice 4: There are other ones that you could sort of question how they apply, but most of them

[2:34:09] Voice 4: most of them talk about a lot of them talk about um local trust committee policies mostly

[2:34:21] Voice 4: policies and landing bylaws in a broader sense they talk about them saying you should

[2:34:27] Voice 4: have a lot of protections around um and it's not as easy to apply them to a specific bylaw

[2:34:35] Voice 4: about a specific piece of property um however these two those two sections for or two and the

[2:34:43] Voice 4: the the one related to um there's two of them actually related to um and they talk about

[2:34:51] Voice 4: minute about forest fragmentation but um uh there's two of them there's um there's uh

[2:35:00] Voice 4: uh there's 3.2.2 local trust committees and island units with shell and fish made plans

[2:35:11] Voice 3: where

[2:35:11] Voice 4: to address the protection of unfragmented forest systems within their local planning areas

[2:35:17] Voice 4: you can you know argue that that's looking at the broader use of of policies like the ocp and tpas

[2:35:30] Voice 4: and things like that all of which is still present and won't change second section uh which is

[2:35:37] Voice 4: which is um i'm sorry to find it which says that uh that uh they shall uh address the retention of

[2:35:54] Voice 4: large land holdings and parcel sizes for sustainable forest use the location of construction of roads

[2:35:59] Voice 4: its utility to minimize forest fragmentation there's also the one theoretically above it

[2:36:05] Voice 4: that talks about um and protect ecological integrity on a scale of course and in the last

[2:36:10] Voice 4: case you may recall i asked that question last time um and i didn't and it was sort of the answer

[2:36:17] Voice 4: i got was uh that's a little ill-defined um so so let me just talk a bit each of those a bit

[2:36:25] Voice 4: but it's okay with everybody um first is on the forest fragmentation i've come around the ground

[2:36:32] Voice 4: of thinking that you know every time a house is built there's some element of force right

[2:36:37] Voice 4: every time a road is put through a driveway every time there's something that occurs

[2:36:43] Voice 4: there's an element of forest fragmentation um and it's it's a there so by by definition then

[2:36:54] Voice 4: And then there is an element of a judgment call

[2:36:57] Voice 4: about what is minimizing forest fragmentation

[2:37:00] Voice 4: as opposed to not.

[2:37:11] Voice 4: It's a challenge to look at the subdivision,

[2:37:14] Voice 4: the way the subdivision is laid out.

[2:37:16] Voice 4: But at the end of the day,

[2:37:17] Voice 4: when I sort of come down to believe this,

[2:37:19] Voice 4: is that with the combination of 75% of the land

[2:37:23] Voice 4: completely protected and 60% of the land

[2:37:26] Voice 4: that that's left uh the forest cover protected you've got a lot of protections there and there

[2:37:33] Voice 4: is a there is a strong element of minimizing the fragmentation before um that's the way our eyes

[2:37:40] Voice 4: come yeah trust you i really

[2:37:41] Voice 9: appreciate that you brought up the fragmentation because

[2:37:46] Voice 9: if you know if it's up to me i would never let anyone build anywhere but when i walked

[2:37:52] Voice 9: the crystal mountain property if it was an untouched property

[2:37:55] Voice 4: i would never consider

[2:37:57] Voice 4: dropping multiple huts and saying that that's not fragmented forest but as it stands it's a hard pan

[2:38:03] Voice 4: logging road and it's being developed

[2:38:06] Voice 9: around that road and in you know maybe some i don't know

[2:38:10] Voice 9: trying to find this amount but i am trying to defend how i view fragmentation and

[2:38:15] Voice 8: i have studied

[2:38:16] Voice 8: studying sustainable forestry at university,

[2:38:18] Voice 8: many courses related to forestry.

[2:38:21] Voice 8: And there is no

[2:38:24] Voice 9: building into the forest in this,

[2:38:28] Voice 9: it's building into already fragmented forest.

[2:38:31] Voice 9: And I wouldn't also support it if it didn't have

[2:38:34] Voice 9: such a massive offsetting of protection.

[2:38:39] Voice 9: So I wouldn't, I disagree that it would be new fragmentation.

[2:38:43] Voice 9: I would believe we'd be minimizing future fragmentation.

[2:38:49] Voice 4: Good point, and I'm also struck by the fact that, you know, Lot 9 is effectively completely protected.

[2:38:57] Voice 4: And I remember the first time I went there, somebody said that's the real jewel,

[2:39:01] Voice 4: is what's Lot 9, because it's completely untouched at this point, or effectively untouched.

[2:39:08] Voice 4: I know there's a road that cuts through it, etc.

[2:39:11] Voice 4: and the road

[2:39:12] Voice 16: runs alongside it yeah

[2:39:14] Voice 4: i think there's an old road that sort of skirts into

[2:39:16] Voice 4: maybe it doesn't maybe it misses lot nine anyway anyway and i walked into there and and i also um

[2:39:25] Voice 4: struck by the fact that all the the effectively the wetland is protected as well as part of what's

[2:39:32] Voice 4: moved over so i have the uh utmost respect for um uh folks that don't want to believe firmly that

[2:39:42] Voice 4: this is fragmenting the forest in a way and but it seems to me that it becomes that way because

[2:39:49] Voice 4: of the lines on a map as opposed to not necessarily the way it's going to play out on the ground

[2:39:55] Voice 4: um so that's just the way i'm going to end up i i've come around to that way of thinking after

[2:40:01] Voice 4: thinking about it uh very thoroughly um the water issue thank you for raising that is i mean you

[2:40:13] Voice 4: know you've got all the experts we've asked all questions we've got all the information from uh

[2:40:19] Voice 4: not only from uh the the the um the person who did the water study the hydrogel is but you've

[2:40:26] Voice 4: also got the freshwater specialists weighed in on this uh eventually the the ministry is going to

[2:40:32] Voice 4: weigh in on this um i i just don't know how you what more you can ask to be done about um

[2:40:42] Voice 4: protecting this uh making sure that the fresh water is maintained we've had this the water

[2:40:49] Voice 4: done and i want to be clear as i understand it nobody said that you know that nobody said that

[2:40:57] Voice 4: that they didn't believe in pump tests.

[2:41:00] Voice 4: What was said was is that the data logger process

[2:41:04] Voice 4: and maintaining a view of the water

[2:41:07] Voice 4: is an appropriately scientific way

[2:41:10] Voice 4: to assess the amount of water that's there.

[2:41:14] Voice 4: And there's so far no indication,

[2:41:17] Voice 4: I shouldn't say so far,

[2:41:18] Voice 4: there's no indication that there's connectivity

[2:41:20] Voice 4: to other wells.

[2:41:21] Voice 4: I understand people were concerned.

[2:41:22] Voice 4: sir um anyway uh my life struggled with this i've come around to being able to support uh the trust

[2:41:30] Voice 4: policy statement being um uh addressed and and uh whatever the language of the motion is is

[2:41:40] Voice 4: not controversial thank you for the promotions they either of you wish to say it first thanks

[2:41:47] Voice 8: Thanks for considering the checklists out there.

[2:41:49] Voice 8: I appreciate you saying that.

[2:41:51] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:41:55] Voice 4: Yeah, we'll have time for public commentary at the end,

[2:41:57] Voice 4: at the end of the meeting.

[2:42:05] Voice 4: So there's a motion on the table.

[2:42:07] Voice 4: I think it's been seconded.

[2:42:08] Voice 4: Is there any further discussion?

[2:42:09] Voice 4: No.

[2:42:10] Voice 4: So then we'll pass the motion.

[2:42:13] Voice 4: All in favor, that passes.

[2:42:15] Voice 4: There's one more motion that's here,

[2:42:17] Voice 4: and i guess you guys should talk about what you want to do with this application for the rest of

[2:42:22] Voice 4: the term in the context of that yeah

[2:42:25] Voice 9: um i would move that down on the local committee direct

[2:42:28] Voice 9: staff to schedule a community information meeting on application jl rz

[2:42:33] Voice 3: 2014 decimal one

[2:42:35] Voice 3: um the right

[2:42:38] Voice 8: to that second

[2:42:39] Voice 8: is a second but i would like to make an amendment um

[2:42:46] Voice 4: do you want to so you're going to move an

[2:42:50] Voice 4: amendment at some point or do you want to amend it before it's like she's the second i'm the

[2:42:55] Voice 9: second okay

[2:42:55] Voice 4: so it's second so that motion's on the table do you want to speak to your motion

[2:42:59] Voice 4: um

[2:43:00] Voice 9: yeah i think that it would be a great time to get more information out to the community because

[2:43:06] Voice 9: we seem to have dealt with most of the all of the red flags that i can see and i think we could see

[2:43:12] Voice 8: a comprehensive package okay i

[2:43:16] Voice 8: would agree with that um but i would like to amend it to include

[2:43:20] Voice 8: uh and um and public hearing

[2:43:24] Voice 3: after the community information meeting so if it was uh seconded it

[2:43:35] Voice 8: they would read that the galliano island local trust committee directs staff to schedule a

[2:43:40] Voice 8: community information meeting and public hearing on application all right

[2:43:46] Voice 4: is there a second for

[2:43:49] Voice 4: that um

[2:43:50] Voice 9: i'll second it with discussion yeah

[2:43:52] Voice 4: i'm not going to be supporting that's an amendment

[2:43:53] Voice 4: to the motion virtual motion i'm

[2:43:56] Voice 9: not going to be supporting the amendment because it's being made

[2:43:58] Voice 9: clear that staff don't have the capacity to schedule that within the time frame of the next

[2:44:03] Voice 9: meeting it's not that i don't think it's an appropriate time for social care i think that

[2:44:07] Voice 9: there's potentially a new ltc coming in october with anyone who

[2:44:12] Voice 3: gets elected and they're going

[2:44:15] Voice 3: to end up

[2:44:16] Voice 3: with force reading anyways because there's no possible way to fit all this in before

[2:44:19] Voice 3: a new term and so we could end up with the stevens application which we just easily undid

[2:44:25] Voice 3: not easily very painfully undid but we still did it nonetheless and so it's not like we'll be

[2:44:30] Voice 3: tidying up.

[2:44:32] Voice 8: So I would vote against trying to assert you

[2:44:37] Voice 10: sure.

[2:44:38] Voice 8: Yeah. So I just I

[2:44:40] Voice 3: don't think it's logistically possible

[2:44:42] Voice 3: to include a public hearing.

[2:44:44] Voice 15: So I think the key to that is that post public hearing, you

[2:44:49] Voice 15: would need the executive committee approval and then

[2:44:52] Voice 15: STL approval for the OCP amendment. So it would be

[2:44:55] Voice 15: virtually impossible to get that. And thus you could be

[2:45:00] Voice 15: left with new trustees uh dealing with an application for public hearing and uh and not

[2:45:09] Voice 15: having final approval if they if there was a time frame where we could hold a public hearing and

[2:45:15] Voice 15: complete that ministerial approval with this term an appropriate pathway for the local trust

[2:45:21] Voice 15: committee as you

[2:45:22] Voice 15: as trustees could close out this application but the reality is is that you're

[2:45:28] Voice 15: going to leave it to the new trustees

[2:45:30] Voice 15: to consider final adoption and as you learned early in your term with the stevens application

[2:45:38] Voice 15: it did not sit very well with the community and it was a very difficult thing to unwind

[2:45:45] Voice 15: uh post-public hearing

[2:45:51] Voice 15: and that along with it is an enormous amount of work to pull together the public hearing

[2:45:58] Voice 15: binder for public

[2:45:59] Voice 4: hearing in particular

[2:46:00] Voice 15: 17 or 18 years of public record that needs to be compiled

[2:46:08] Voice 15: and stuff are already fully saturated with all of the other applications not only on on your island

[2:46:16] Voice 15: but the other four islands of southern uh southern uh

[2:46:26] Voice 15: already twice to recommend what we're doing i think in the fact that that would

[2:46:30] Voice 15: perhaps allow approval

[2:46:31] Voice 4: but it's not able to get there so it's that perspective

[2:46:42] Voice 5: yeah trustee wright i

[2:46:44] Voice 9: also think uh if there's if we don't know who the trustees would be in

[2:46:48] Voice 9: October and to be for the LTC of the time to hear the public hearing um it might be much more

[2:46:56] Voice 9: conducive to a better decision-making possibility than just hearing community gossip because you

[2:47:02] Voice 9: can't actually engage like you're not allowed to engage after public hearing so we'd be handing

[2:47:08] Voice 9: over what we

[2:47:09] Voice 9: got which was like a silence and a binder and then just people sending emails about

[2:47:15] Voice 3: how much they just like so and so it'd be much more just much more discussion that we had um

[2:47:22] Voice 3: and to

[2:47:23] Voice 3: educate the mutual states if there is mutual season what's going on and yeah i think

[2:47:27] Voice 3: it might be a more positive outcome for everybody yeah

[2:47:31] Voice 4: and and i have to say i i just don't think

[2:47:35] Voice 4: it's possible to get the public hearing um we uh have limited time uh we have here a meeting on the

[2:47:43] Voice 4: the 6th of september um we have two more meetings this month uh we have trust council in september

[2:47:52] Voice 4: i have other trust committees um and uh coming of october the third which i think you want to

[2:48:00] Voice 4: talk about about moving and out of october and back into september or something and i just don't

[2:48:07] Voice 4: know how we could possibly do it particularly as we're going to be talking about galley and all

[2:48:18] Voice 5: right

[2:48:19] Voice 9: um but i do think this will indicate to the

[2:48:22] Voice 8: new the ltc of the day in october that

[2:48:26] Voice 8: this trust committee felt confident with the direction

[2:48:29] Voice 3: how the mission was taken

[2:48:30] Voice 3: if we scheduled cia so

[2:48:35] Voice 4: i'm i'm here there's a motion to amend the original motion i'm hearing

[2:48:40] Voice 4: the trustee rockefeller you're close and i don't think i'm going to be supporting it so i'll call

[2:48:46] Voice 3: the vote on the

[2:48:46] Voice 4: do you want

[2:48:47] Voice 3: to speak to it okay

[2:48:48] Voice 4: uh then we're back to the uh well it would move

[2:48:54] Voice 4: in a second i think we haven't had to feed it so uh we'll call the vote on the event

[2:48:59] Voice 5: of the

[2:49:01] Voice 4: amendment yeah oh

[2:49:02] Voice 4: sorry yeah you're right you're right okay uh okay uh and i'll also vote

[2:49:10] Voice 4: so trustee wolverton paper and uh so the original motion on the table is the one that

[2:49:18] Voice 4: that is in the uh staff package which is just direct uh staff to schedule a cim on application

[2:49:25] Voice 4: uh crystal mountain uh is there any further discussion related to that trustee wolverine

[2:49:31] Voice 4: no all in favor so i assume we're talking about september or something in there

[2:49:52] Voice 4: yeah if it's just me i'll bail on the cm for that day if that's if that's a better day i think given

[2:50:11] that

[2:50:11] significant

[2:50:11] Voice 17: community interest

[2:50:18] Voice 15: in this application both for and against i think

[2:50:27] either of those days is identical i would propose saturday september

[2:50:37] Voice 4: okay but keeping in mind we begin the absence of trustee rockford we do have to talk about

[2:50:43] Voice 4: i don't really want to fix a date for this one so we've talked about god you don't have to

[2:50:51] Voice 4: do this for now and we can come back in september 6th then

[2:50:55] Voice 17: uh it's the cios

[2:50:57] Voice 15: pitch

[2:50:58] Voice 4: requirements so you could uh land on a formal date on september okay

[2:51:04] Voice 4: okay now is there anything else from

[2:51:08] Voice 4: the staff report that we deal with

[2:51:11] Voice 4: sorry

[2:51:12] Voice 8: um i just in relation to the community um i

[2:51:17] Voice 7: pulled together motion but

[2:51:18] Voice 7: But I

[2:51:19] Voice 9: didn't know, should I do the whole language?

[2:51:21] Voice 9: Planner Smith of 8.7.7, the recommendation in the subgroup.

[2:51:26] Voice 9: Or should I just...

[2:51:27] Voice 15: I'm not

[2:51:28] Voice 15: sure where you are.

[2:51:29] Voice 15: Oh,

[2:51:29] Voice 9: sorry, it's a page.

[2:51:33] Voice 9: I'll just say

[2:51:34] Voice 3: it because I have the motion, but I can't remember what page it was.

[2:51:36] Voice 3: Just that the LTC direct staff to amend bylaw 257 to include the daily use limits as presented in the July 4th subgroup.

[2:51:46] Voice 4: Yes, I repeat that motion.

[2:51:48] Voice 15: and you would need to consider if you're allowing them to yeah

[2:51:53] Voice 9: that's what is

[2:51:54] Voice 15: what you're recording

[2:51:55] Voice 15: that is one motion that's not recommended it's just something for lgb so that's

[2:52:04] Voice 4: what i would do

[2:52:04] Voice 4: so

[2:52:06] Voice 15: i think it could just be a recommended language with respect to 8.7.7

[2:52:14] Voice 15: and a daily use limit as described in the July

[2:52:17] Voice 17: 4th staff report.

[2:52:18] Voice 8: Okay, I'll second that.

[2:52:23] Voice 5: So what's the motion?

[2:52:25] Voice 9: That the LTC direct staff to amend bylaw 257 to include daily use limits as described in the July 4th staff report.

[2:52:36] Voice 9: Maybe the 8.7?

[2:52:39] Voice 9: And

[2:52:39] Voice 4: what's the daily, is there a provision now in the bylaw?

[2:52:43] Voice 4: I would say the second

[2:52:48] Voice 15: option of 8.7.7 that includes four times

[2:52:54] Voice 17: per calendar year daily use

[2:52:55] Voice 17: of 60% or something. We

[2:53:24] Voice 10: have a motion.

[2:53:29] Voice 5: How are you doing?

[2:53:30] Voice 9: The LTC directs that to amend bylaw 257

[2:53:32] Voice 9: to include the second option of 8.7.7 that includes a

[2:53:38] Voice 17: four days per year.

[2:53:45] Voice 10: yeah no that's good

[2:53:56] Voice 8: yeah thanks

[2:54:03] Voice 3: you've

[2:54:09] Voice 4: seconded that i didn't even wish to speak to you

[2:54:12] Voice 4: so

[2:54:26] Voice 8: um okay well

[2:54:31] Voice 3: i mean i mean

[2:54:32] Voice 5: nobody

[2:54:33] Voice 3: else on the island has any maximum i know

[2:54:41] Voice 3: what's your

[2:54:42] Voice 9: what's your

[2:54:48] Voice 15: right on

[2:54:49] Voice 9: this place but i'm just saying as a whole it's already questionable no it's okay

[2:54:53] Voice 3: i mean i don't speak clearly enough but it's already questionable whether it's legit to

[2:54:58] Voice 3: maximize these people i just i

[2:55:01] Voice 4: know i know the discussions had earlier that that that earlier

[2:55:06] Voice 4: in the term i don't mean earlier today that whether or not

[2:55:09] Voice 4: we could act do this because

[2:55:10] Voice 4: we have this isn't in place for anyone else um but i thought we got some advice that we thought we

[2:55:16] Voice 4: could do it um and it's totally a policy decision in my

[2:55:21] Voice 4: view i think i expressed some reservations

[2:55:24] Voice 4: about this issue i don't know a number of months ago oh

[2:55:28] Voice 7: yeah i was

[2:55:29] Voice 4: thinking about what i would like

[2:55:30] Voice 4: if i lived as a neighbor close to this um i thought it was a community issue um but uh so i

[2:55:38] I it's just it's just I I've been supportive of

[2:55:42] Voice 4: all the motions so far I told you my thought

[2:55:45] Voice 4: process of where we're at I think you know I can I've been able to support the application so far

[2:55:50] Voice 4: but I I don't know no there's something about this that I just don't like so I I may actually

[2:55:55] Voice 4: vote against you yeah I do

[2:55:58] Voice 9: support the fact that this um sets a precedent for limiting people on

[2:56:03] Voice 9: property and i think that's a good thing potentially in the future okay

[2:56:10] Voice 4: well that's not

[2:56:11] Voice 4: something i do usually is discrepancy too about what's going on or indeed we always tend to come

[2:56:17] Voice 4: around what we think is a community pretty much a consensus but i don't think i'm going to support

[2:56:23] Voice 4: this because and it's nothing to do with what it is i just think that probably that uh putting that

[2:56:29] Voice 4: kind of provision and it's not what i would uh do in this scenario

[2:56:33] Voice 7: are you saying you would not have

[2:56:35] Voice 7: it in altogether i would

[2:56:37] Voice 4: be i would i would have

[2:56:38] Voice 4: supported when we were talking about one um but

[2:56:44] Voice 4: uh i remember we talked about originally saying it might have been me and raised it i don't even

[2:56:51] Voice 4: remember anymore but at one point i remember thinking that and the number was six and i

[2:56:56] Voice 4: thought six sounded a little too many and i still think it's just my own my own sensibilities around

[2:57:04] Voice 4: this we can say that it's four is too many but

[2:57:06] Voice 9: i do appreciate that it includes a 27

[2:57:09] Voice 9: or visitors because i wasn't aware of that i thought it was 60 plus 27 so

[2:57:13] Voice 9: it's just no i don't think it's 60 plus

[2:57:16] Voice 9: i think it's 50 inclusive 60.

[2:57:25] Voice 9: Okay,

[2:57:26] Voice 4: so I'm going to call a vote on this, since there's no more discussion.

[2:57:29] Voice 4: All in favor?

[2:57:31] Voice 4: I'm going to abstain except for the fact that an extension is deemed to be in favor.

[2:57:39] Voice 4: It is under the Local Government Act, so I'm going to vote against that.

[2:57:44] Voice 4: okay um anyway is there anything further that the other trustee wishes to do in relation to this

[2:57:53] Voice 4: uh trust the planner smith is there anything permanent you need from us at this stage

[2:57:59] Voice 4: okay so how are we doing we have one more application to deal with you need a minute

[2:58:04] Voice 4: uh should we just keep going okay um so thank you for your time thank you to all of you from

[2:58:12] Voice 4: uh the opportunity as always and we'll move on then too and i should thank you for being so

[2:58:17] Voice 4: patient i think there's a bunch of people from from uh 2022.1 dealer here to speak to us um i'm

[2:58:25] Voice 4: not sure yes sir oh okay i asked i said but i didn't ask you we can take it with like five

[2:58:32] Voice 4: minutes and then we'll reconvene and take the deal with you

[2:58:52] Voice 10: I don't know what

[2:58:54] Voice 4: they're going to say probably we're not we won't stop before

[2:59:11] Voice 3: Oh, I think so.

[3:00:01] Voice 10: Oh yeah,

[3:00:02] Voice 3: there was some sparking light there.

[3:03:28] Voice 4: Okay, are we ready? Oh, where's Kurt?

[3:04:06] Voice 4: okay can we um for those that are still here we'll uh come to order again on to application

[3:04:20] Voice 4: uh gl rz 2020 2.1 galer and i assume you folks are all here on behalf of that thank you uh you

[3:04:29] Voice 4: you've met all of us we've all introduced ourselves so the process we'll use is the

[3:04:34] Voice 4: planner will give a um i will give his uh overview of his staff report trustees will ask questions of

[3:04:42] Voice 4: the planner if there are any from the staff report and then i'll ask you i don't know who your

[3:04:47] Voice 4: spokesperson or if you have one uh has the opportunity to comment on the staff report any

[3:04:52] Voice 4: comments that you might have uh that are part of this process and then we'll have our process

[3:04:56] Voice 4: to the side okay so that's clear uh go ahead uh planners

[3:05:01] Voice 4: so

[3:05:03] Voice 8: this

[3:05:06] Voice 15: is a staff report for a rezoning application for district

[3:05:11] Voice 15: one lot to a mix of uh forest three for

[3:05:20] Voice 17: residential and nature

[3:05:21] Voice 15: protection with a

[3:05:22] Voice 15: a component of their proposal to donate 75% of a portion of the lands, minus the Forest

[3:05:32] Voice 15: 3 lot that they're proposing to BC Parks.

[3:05:36] Voice 15: And so this is a preliminary report to present to the Local Trust Committee to decide if

[3:05:43] Voice 15: they will proceed or not with the application.

[3:05:44] Voice 15: And so the application as I've spoken is to create one forest three lot with the minimum

[3:05:53] Voice 15: 20 hectare size requirements in the OCP to create fiber residential lots and the remainder

[3:06:06] Voice 15: going to nature protection donated to PC Parks with their open expectation that would be

[3:06:13] Voice 15: be to expand D&C to the park.

[3:06:16] Voice 15: The staff report goes through some of the policies

[3:06:20] Voice 15: within the OCP, both with the three rezoning option

[3:06:26] Voice 15: as well as the various examples of where lots were rezoned.

[3:06:32] Voice 15: And in those cases, that was the entire lot

[3:06:34] Voice 15: that was considered.

[3:06:36] Voice 15: In this case, it's slightly different.

[3:06:38] Voice 15: So the proposal is consistent

[3:06:40] Voice 15: with the individual policies of the LCP, but I would say that it was untested with respect

[3:06:47] Voice 15: to one portion being using one of those policies and the other portion using the option that's

[3:06:55] Voice 15: been used around a 75% factor that's

[3:07:00] Voice 4: still to be considered.

[3:07:02] Voice 15: There are very few development permit area considerations on the lot except for the 15-meter

[3:07:11] Voice 15: green area and some suits

[3:07:13] Voice 15: ecosystem but no real considerations with respect to their lot lines they have provided a lot layout

[3:07:21] Voice 15: that shows the 116 of the staff report that shows the proposed lots that they intend to

[3:07:32] Voice 15: see and it also includes an amenity lot that presumably could be used for some

[3:07:39] Voice 15: kind of affordable housing selling option as a community benefit

[3:07:46] Voice 15: so they can speak to that and and the current uses it is currently zoned forest one so the

[3:07:55] Voice 15: current uses are only of course are related and there are no dwelling rights and of course uh

[3:07:59] Voice 15: with the resulting proposal with both residential uh and uh forest three they would gain a dwelling

[3:08:06] Voice 15: rights on the forestry lot they would be uh one dwelling with no accessory cottage and on each

[3:08:14] Voice 15: of the rural residential lots they would be permitted uh one dwelling with one accessory

[3:08:19] Voice 15: cottage up to 80 meters squared staff have had discussions these are the owners of dl86 correct

[3:08:30] Voice 15: so uh so dl86 is also before you and you considered a preliminary report from step

[3:08:36] Voice 15: a number of months ago uh since that time staff have had discussions with bc parks and with the

[3:08:44] Voice 15: ministry of indigenous

[3:08:45] Voice 15: departments around uh potential that transfer to bc parks the indications are that bc parks

[3:08:55] Voice 15: are not open to that uh proposal at this time given the known objections of first nations

[3:09:02] Voice 15: and their concerns around uh an expansion of the inicio and land access to the marine only park

[3:09:11] Voice 15: right now and so uh in the case of dlv6 the staff recommendation was to draft uh bylaws with the

[3:09:21] Voice 15: the assumption that BC Parks will be seeking to take on those lands, but understanding

[3:09:30] Voice 15: the reluctancy now, staff are proposing at this time to proceed with the application

[3:09:36] Voice 15: to initiate preliminary first intentions discussions around not only whether the rezoning would

[3:09:45] Voice 15: be appropriate from their point of view, but whether the lot lines and what is being proposed

[3:09:50] Voice 15: and how the lot

[3:09:51] Voice 4: lines are being laid out

[3:09:52] Voice 4: would also be appropriate.

[3:09:54] Voice 4: So that would be a very complex

[3:09:56] Voice 15: discussion

[3:09:57] Voice 15: with First Nations.

[3:10:00] Voice 15: And we've really not understood at this time

[3:10:05] Voice 15: where that discussion would go

[3:10:06] Voice 15: and whether it would be open to a land transfer

[3:10:09] Voice 15: to BC Parks or perhaps some kind of land transfer

[3:10:12] Voice 15: to the First Nations themselves.

[3:10:14] Voice 15: It is understood through discussions

[3:10:16] Voice 15: with the Indigenous Relations staff

[3:10:18] Voice 15: but these lands are that those conversations couldn't happen within a treaty settlement

[3:10:24] Voice 15: discussion that they would need to happen through some kind of other mechanism which is probably not

[3:10:31] Voice 15: really tested provincially or nationally at this time with respect to uh some kind of land transfer

[3:10:38] Voice 15: to a first nation the first nation or fee simpler or any other way uh in exchange for the rezoning

[3:10:46] Voice 15: of lands by a municipal or

[3:10:48] Voice 4: regional or local trust community such as yourself so

[3:10:56] Voice 15: play with the land in terms of where the

[3:10:59] Voice 17: application stands

[3:11:00] Voice 15: i've

[3:11:01] Voice 17: got questions

[3:11:09] Voice 8: but i do have a medium-sized comment and a motion so just

[3:11:13] Voice 8: okay i'm

[3:11:16] Voice 6: not quite um

[3:11:19] Voice 4: medium size well

[3:11:21] Voice 7: usually i make it

[3:11:21] Voice 6: very small this

[3:11:23] Voice 7: is more of a one

[3:11:24] Voice 4: paper oh okay so i don't

[3:11:26] Voice 7: know if you want that no

[3:11:27] Voice 4: let's let's get comp questions and then allow the applicant to speak

[3:11:32] Voice 4: to the staff and then uh and i have a couple questions because i'm now confused and so one

[3:11:42] Voice 16: of my questions has to do with bylaw enforcement and where that stands because in in relation to

[3:11:49] Voice 16: our previous discussion about uh crystal mountain this application came post our standing resolution

[3:11:57] Voice 4: there is a bylaw of course file

[3:11:59] Voice 15: which is the site context piece in the attachments so there is an

[3:12:07] Voice 15: open bylaw enforcement file for real structures uh and the little

[3:12:11] Voice 4: dwelling type structure on the

[3:12:13] Voice 4: and those have not been resolved yet those

[3:12:17] Voice 15: are still i guess the resolution is them seeking

[3:12:20] Voice 15: great rezoning to uh and sort of how they're drawing their lot lines what captures those

[3:12:26] Voice 15: structures as i would understand it and so uh that that bylaw enforcement file is open

[3:12:35] Voice 15: and i guess the the proposed solution of the applicant is to rezone the lands to

[3:12:42] Voice 15: allow those structures to become legalized but

[3:12:49] Voice 10: in the meantime we do have the standing resolution

[3:12:52] Voice 10: that says

[3:12:53] Voice 16: that they're basically should not

[3:12:55] Voice 4: be using these structures that's not really

[3:12:58] Voice 4: part of this rezoning discussion it's more part of a discussion with bylaw enforcement

[3:13:04] Voice 4: right okay

[3:13:05] Voice 5: look at me i said

[3:13:12] Voice 8: what i have no no

[3:13:12] Voice 4: no i'm looking at i'm not going to trust you

[3:13:14] Voice 4: oh

[3:13:15] Voice 8: yeah yeah so i also understand that

[3:13:20] Voice 16: um the penelak are not looking to have a road you know

[3:13:26] Voice 16: for their road access to the field and that it's their wish that that remain uh sorry

[3:13:34] Voice 9: marine access

[3:13:36] Voice 9: So

[3:13:38] Voice 15: we have not had discussions with Penelope yet, but we have had discussions with ministry

[3:13:42] Voice 15: staff and BC Parks staff, and that is what they are indicating that they understand.

[3:13:49] Voice 4: So before we go, I'm not sure, there's two lots here, like 85 and 86, so we have DL 86,

[3:14:00] Voice 4: which has come before the Local Trust Committee, I'm not sure exactly when, but December, yeah,

[3:14:07] Voice 4: yeah well i thought this was the same application i got confused so it's different this

[3:14:11] Voice 15: is so dl86

[3:14:13] Voice 15: lot where the gate to uh the road is across that gate restricts access to dnco park so to get to

[3:14:30] Voice 15: dnco park by road you have to get through that

[3:14:32] Voice 15: gate and then cross through dl85 and cross through

[3:14:35] Voice 15: dl86 to then enter the uh

[3:14:38] Voice 4: provincial park parcel okay um and we had that in december before us

[3:14:48] Voice 4: and we started we sort of saw a preliminary idea and i think we tossed emotions

[3:14:54] Voice 9: yeah i sketched out

[3:14:55] Voice 9: significant concerns right and then

[3:14:58] Voice 9: we passed a motion to have the original heritage forest

[3:15:01] Voice 9: forest president brought to us next time the 86

[3:15:03] Voice 3: was brought to us as well as the First

[3:15:07] Voice 3: Nations engagement because that was one of those in addition to all the departure from

[3:15:16] Voice 3: the heritage forest president.

[3:15:18] Voice 15: Right and so first step in our installation of DL 86 was to have discussions with ministry

[3:15:24] Voice 15: staff and BC Parks staff about the concept of a land transfer of the 75% portion that

[3:15:32] Voice 15: they're proposing and the expansion of Dionisio and their response back to us, and these are

[3:15:43] Voice 15: basic questions we're having with ministry staff, was that BC Parks at this time is not

[3:15:49] Voice 15: not willing to enter those discussions,

[3:15:52] Voice 15: given the known objections to an extension of the park

[3:15:58] Voice 15: and road access and presumably potentially also concerns

[3:16:06] Voice 15: just around the cultural significance of EVCO

[3:16:11] Voice 15: and all those different components.

[3:16:14] Voice 15: But like I said, the discussions with First Nations

[3:16:18] Voice 15: have not yet occurred and so really uh while

[3:16:23] Voice 14: they're separate applications they're intricately

[3:16:25] Voice 14: linked in that uh you can't do one without

[3:16:30] Voice 15: the other really and in that uh you would have that

[3:16:33] Voice 15: you need to have that land donation and to for both of the lots and create a public road

[3:16:40] Voice 15: where now currently a private road behind the gate you would need to create public road both

[3:16:46] Voice 15: through dl85 and dl86 as a requirement of definitely as a requirement of subdivision but

[3:16:53] Voice 15: also likely as a discretionary requirement we will

[3:16:56] Voice 17: come to you in a minute

[3:16:57] Voice 15: uh to allow uh for road

[3:17:00] Voice 15: access then to these first nations uh are opposed to that okay

[3:17:09] Voice 4: and just make sure i understand the

[3:17:12] Voice 4: proposed lot land in your staff report is as i understand it given your percentage 51 of the land

[3:17:23] Voice 4: will become be help continue to be held privately and 49 would be developed donated in some that's

[3:17:33] Voice 4: 34 for the percent for the forest three and then 17 for the for the rr so 49

[3:17:44] Voice 4: yeah 37 for nature protection road education resource amenity if you add

[3:17:57] Voice 15: that all together

[3:17:58] Voice 15: you're correct 51

[3:17:58] Voice 15: in their current they blended the two ocp policies whereas crystal mountain

[3:18:07] Voice 15: for example that we were just discussing uh they are uh proposing to give 75 away and keep 25 in

[3:18:16] Voice 15: this case they are carving out their 20 hectare forest three lot before they then apply the 75

[3:18:22] Voice 15: five

[3:18:22] Voice 4: percent that's what i

[3:18:24] Voice 15: just want to make

[3:18:24] Voice 4: sure i understood that and is am i also understanding

[3:18:27] Voice 4: correctly that i think you said it looks like there's just a very small little piece of the

[3:18:33] Voice 4: water that's sort of a bit of a tea that comes to the water on the map the rest of it would all be

[3:18:41] Voice 4: the rest of it would be either the f3 lot or the other two rural residential

[3:18:51] Voice 3: five residential

[3:18:52] Voice 4: and then and then all the rest of the waterfront would be on the and

[3:19:01] Voice 4: they have three lot and there's just am i right like this small little at

[3:19:06] Voice 15: the top yeah

[3:19:07] Voice 4: Yeah, okay.

[3:19:11] Voice 15: So that would meet the ministry's minimum requirements for providing ocean access under Section 75.

[3:19:19] Voice 4: Okay, thank you. Just want to make sure I understood the map correctly and the statistics.

[3:19:24] Voice 4: So before we come to you, I'm going to let

[3:19:27] Voice 4: the applicant, who is the applicant?

[3:19:28] Voice 4: Who is the volunteer?

[3:19:30] Voice 4: I'll

[3:19:30] Voice 14: speak if that's okay.

[3:19:32] Voice 4: Absolutely. And your name is?

[3:19:33] Voice 14: Fleming Larson.

[3:19:35] Voice 4: Hi, Fleming.

[3:19:35] Voice 4: just so you know the discharge there is six owners and uh so we've been there for 30 years

[3:19:43] Voice 4: some of

[3:19:44] Voice 3: you are familiar with this going back after

[3:19:47] Voice 4: we've been there for

[3:19:47] Voice 3: 130 years we

[3:19:48] Voice 3: originally submitted ourselves for

[3:19:51] Voice 4: 86 or 85 85 and

[3:19:55] Voice 4: 86 so both anyway neither here or there

[3:19:59] Voice 4: that's water under the bridge um two of the things we brought

[3:20:02] Voice 3: up was the water access

[3:20:03] Voice 3: And we did have more water access, but when we approached BC

[3:20:08] Voice 14: Parks, BC Parks indicated

[3:20:14] Voice 14: that they would be willing to take in the land.

[3:20:16] Voice 14: This is before the Indigenous

[3:20:18] Voice 3: situation came up, but that they didn't want the ocean front.

[3:20:25] Voice 3: They would rather have land above to make it one big continuous park.

[3:20:30] Voice 3: and so that's why we did have more we were donating more ocean front but bc park said

[3:20:35] Voice 14: they didn't want it so we changed it to shoot them and that was at

[3:20:39] Voice 3: a time when they said they

[3:20:40] Voice 3: were willing to take it and i think they're still willing to take the land it's just a matter they

[3:20:44] Voice 3: don't want to take the land

[3:20:45] Voice 15: until the indians there is some interest in the upland but they

[3:20:52] Voice 15: didn't they weren't that

[3:20:53] Voice 4: clear that there was

[3:20:54] Voice 4: no interest in oh but they just said that they would

[3:20:57] Voice 4: rather have it than why when was that i would say oh i can tell you who i talked to about three years

[3:21:05] Voice 4: ago and yeah so so in our discussions there there is value to the upland portion in that it would

[3:21:12] Voice 4: create trail network access to other lots but i wouldn't say that there would have to be a lot of

[3:21:21] Voice 4: discussions i think before that and the other thing was that you mentioned for that uh that

[3:21:27] Voice 4: you would need to have road access to all the proposed laws

[3:21:47] Voice 4: yes of course there would be the road the new road launch but it would come off so there would

[3:21:55] Voice 4: still be a kilometer of road that was not dedicated if it came down to where the

[3:22:01] Voice 4: they want to do that the way it is but while being only so

[3:22:06] Voice 4: do you want to point out anything else about the staff report job to the trustees or do

[3:22:14] Voice 4: Do you trustees have questions specifically for the?

[3:22:19] Voice 4: There is one more.

[3:22:20] Voice 4: Okay, go ahead.

[3:22:21] Voice 4: One more item.

[3:22:22] Voice 4: The amenity lot.

[3:22:23] Voice 4: The

[3:22:26] Voice 3: amenity lot is not necessarily our idea.

[3:22:28] Voice 3: It was drafted from the district lot 79, which is almost, you know, very similar to ours.

[3:22:37] Voice 3: And it's been passed and approved with one F3 lot and a number

[3:22:44] Voice 4: of rural residential lots.

[3:22:46] Voice 4: and they also gave up an amenity lot and we did the same thing thinking that it would be sold and

[3:22:51] Voice 4: of course the funds would go towards the community but by all means if nobody wants it you know

[3:22:57] Voice 4: we're not getting it it's going to go to the community so that would be up to

[3:23:02] Voice 4: the

[3:23:02] Voice 17: government okay

[3:23:06] Voice 4: i think i sort of understand what's being proposed here and

[3:23:12] Voice 4: um do you have any commentary before we go to the trustees of the um uh the recommendation from

[3:23:21] Voice 4: staff i mean there's a recommendation from staff here comments about that okay okay uh

[3:23:33] Voice 4: well if

[3:23:36] Voice 9: it's appropriate time for me to go to my comment um yeah so we won't be supporting

[3:23:40] Voice 9: in this application the proposal as submitted may be loosely consistent with the galleon ocp but it

[3:23:46] Voice 9: is not consistent with the purchase taken in other f1 resumings this

[3:23:50] Voice 6: proposal is a significant

[3:23:51] Voice 9: departure from even the liberal interpretation the community has witnessed since the introduction of

[3:23:56] Voice 9: the heritage forest 7525 president i had hoped to deal 85 applicants

[3:24:01] Voice 6: would heed my significant

[3:24:02] Voice 6: concerns in relation to the dl86 proposal and keep them in mind when developing our own scheme

[3:24:07] Voice 9: but it seems that was not the case.

[3:24:08] Voice 9: This is effectively rewriting Galliana's forestry policies,

[3:24:12] Voice 9: but without meaningful public consultation,

[3:24:14] Voice 9: rather relying on the two local representatives

[3:24:16] Voice 9: and then whoever attends town halls,

[3:24:18] Voice 9: sea islands, and public hearings.

[3:24:19] Voice 9: By moving forward with a proposal like this,

[3:24:22] Voice 9: the years and years of thoughtful input and consideration

[3:24:24] Voice 9: by the Galliana community and its trustees

[3:24:26] Voice 9: goes unheard and ignored.

[3:24:28] Voice 9: If trustees want to amend OCP policies

[3:24:30] Voice 9: around F1 lots, a historically contentious topic,

[3:24:34] Voice 9: We should do so with an OCP review on that section and engage with members of our community on what they envisage development in the forest lots to look like now and in the future.

[3:24:43] Voice 6: Is it 60 hectare F1 lots divided into residential luxury waterfronts with privately owned adjacent resource lots and slivers of parkland?

[3:24:52] Voice 6: Is it the Heritage Forest President of 7525 on the entire portion?

[3:24:57] Voice 6: Is it something else entirely?

[3:24:58] Voice 9: It's not for us to determine the future of development on almost half of Gallina's acreage,

[3:25:03] Voice 9: but for the community.

[3:25:05] Voice 9: As Margaret Griffiths stated, half of Galliano Island is designated forest.

[3:25:09] Voice 9: It's privately owned and lies in the coastal Douglas for bi-geoclimactic zone.

[3:25:13] Voice 9: This is important to remember as we have now witnessed within a seven month period, two

[3:25:17] Voice 9: proposals

[3:25:18] Voice 6: that pervert the Heritage Forest rezoning precedent into a have your cake and

[3:25:22] Voice 6: eat it too development scheme.

[3:25:23] Voice 6: If we follow the Heritage

[3:25:24] Voice 6: Forest precedent, the

[3:25:26] Voice 8: original one, only one-third of the waterfront would be developable.

[3:25:30] Voice 8: That means two-thirds of the waterfront would be designated nature protection.

[3:25:34] Voice 8: This proposal, NDL86, dictates there is no community access to this vast

[3:25:38] Voice 6: length of waterfront,

[3:25:40] Voice 6: rather privately owned forestry operations and private waterfront residential.

[3:25:45] Voice 6: And if both proposals were approved using this contorted 7525,

[3:25:49] Voice 9: Approximately 30 hectares of forest log will be transferred to a third party as nature protection, rather than 75 hectares of forest land if the original precedent is followed.

[3:25:59] Voice 6: DCO Park does not have any interest in accepting land transfer of 86 and therefore likely 85.

[3:26:04] Voice 6: Given First Nations objectives to any expansion of Dionysio Park, First

[3:26:09] Voice 9: Nations concerns must be seriously considered and as such should be engaged before crafting a land use proposal in this area.

[3:26:14] Voice 9: In addition, I cannot support this proposal in any way due to the extreme deviation from

[3:26:19] Voice 9: the community of Galliano's current vision of the development of forest lands and the

[3:26:23] Voice 9: lack of diligence when crafting this proposal, giving significant concerns voiced over the

[3:26:28] Voice 9: original DL86.

[3:26:32] Voice 5: I have a

[3:26:33] Voice 8: motion to follow up on people already.

[3:26:35] Voice 5: Trustee Warren?

[3:26:38] Voice 8: Well, one of my concerns about this is that it's one thing for, I mean, I think we need to, I think we really need to figure out how

[3:26:54] Voice 3: we're going to work with First Nations.

[3:26:56] Voice 3: And when we're talking about property, you know, property being developed and portions being donated

[3:27:06] Voice 16: to BC Parks, or any another entity, it does,

[3:27:11] Voice 3: that does take it out of the use of First Nations to use it as for ceremonial purposes, for hunting purposes, all of those kinds of things.

[3:27:24] Voice 3: And I don't think they, as I

[3:27:25] Voice 8: trust, or even the BC provincial government, have figured out how we are going to work together to resolve some of

[3:27:34] Voice 3: these claims

[3:27:37] Voice 16: and very legitimate claims.

[3:27:41] Voice 16: So when I see a parcel that, as Trustee Rockefeller has said, is kind of chopped up into a lot of different pieces, it doesn't necessarily meet

[3:27:52] Voice 8: some

[3:27:55] Voice 3: of those goals of having property still within the Crown that could be subject to claim and the use of First Nations.

[3:28:08] Voice 3: And going back to the 30% of the waterfront, that was what was two-thirds of

[3:28:15] Voice 8: the waterfront being reserved and, you know, that whatever portion was going to be donated to the community, at least two-thirds of the waterfront

[3:28:32] Voice 3: would be part of that.

[3:28:32] Voice 3: that so i

[3:28:34] Voice 8: can appreciate you know things have changed in the last whatever 40 years when you

[3:28:39] Voice 8: know as long as you've had this property and but i would agree with my fellow trustee that

[3:28:46] Voice 8: more work needs to be done to make this work

[3:28:49] Voice 16: for the for

[3:28:52] Voice 17: our situation i have a question

[3:28:58] Voice 17: Is it the F3?

[3:29:00] Voice 15: If the F3 is dropped and we go to, I guess, what, six of the five-acre lots, that would...

[3:29:09] Voice 9: We

[3:29:10] Voice 15: don't really know what is expected.

[3:29:14] Voice 15: No,

[3:29:14] Voice 6: that's okay. The original Heritage Forest precedent was you get two hectares,

[3:29:21] Voice 9: or let me find it.

[3:29:22] Voice 9: have it printed out here because it was it's good to refer to something that we're following um that

[3:29:29] Voice 9: they

[3:29:30] Voice 6: permit one dwelling for eight hectares of the owner and then transfer any lands in excess

[3:29:35] Voice 6: of two hectares per eight hectares of s1 land being resolved so

[3:29:40] Voice 9: i think i did the math for

[3:29:42] Voice 9: dl85 and it would seem you if i mean this is i loosely did it with my phone last night but

[3:29:49] Voice 9: So basically, you would get, I think, 10, no, seven RR plots, but then the rest of the

[3:29:58] Voice 9: entire portion would be trained.

[3:30:00] Voice 9: her to a third party and so there'd be no f3 and it wouldn't be you'd have to reserve you know uh

[3:30:07] Voice 9: to us two-thirds of the have

[3:30:09] Voice 15: they taken the f3 out of the out of the uh no no the f3 is there

[3:30:15] Voice 9: but the

[3:30:15] Voice 9: heritage forest policy that we're following as precedent is no longer in the

[3:30:20] Voice 9: ocb or the language bylaw like the 7525 when did that change i think it was 2006. because

[3:30:29] Voice 6: people are still using it as precedent yeah it's it's what we follow but it's not

[3:30:33] Voice 9: contained in the

[3:30:34] Voice 9: violence essentially it

[3:30:35] Voice 9: was okayed by the community because they worked on these policies

[3:30:40] Voice 9: came together and if they endorsed it but it was considered too prescriptive by legal counsel so

[3:30:46] Voice 9: it was taken out and so the reason it can be followed as a precedent without causing lots of

[3:30:52] Voice 9: fur in the communities because essentially it was a it was a community effort to devise this

[3:30:57] Voice 9: 75 25 scheme and that's but because of its um considered over prescription it was taken out

[3:31:06] Voice 9: but that was by legal counsel not by the community all

[3:31:09] Voice 14: right so then it no longer exists that's

[3:31:12] Voice 9: correct

[3:31:12] Voice 14: f3 no no this

[3:31:14] Voice 4: is in a heritage forest heritage forest yeah

[3:31:16] Voice 4: which properties are

[3:31:18] Voice 4: heritage forests like is there a way to find out you know the the

[3:31:21] Voice 9: all of them that are f1

[3:31:23] Voice 9: one yeah can be um uh

[3:31:27] Voice 16: rezoned to be you know heritage boards and pro residential but they

[3:31:33] Voice 14: can't be resilient to be at three they can't

[3:31:36] Voice 6: be presented we have

[3:31:37] Voice 3: three but we have never

[3:31:38] Voice 9: seen an application that has been rezoned s3 or and resident row residential and donated

[3:31:49] Voice 9: but then i'm

[3:31:50] Voice 3: actually

[3:31:51] Voice 9: um i know i'd have to look at how you keep for 79 because i actually don't

[3:31:55] Voice 9: understand what the reason it's

[3:31:57] Voice 16: almost identical to this plan it was it was the

[3:31:59] Voice 5: past two years ago

[3:32:00] Voice 5: yeah

[3:32:01] Voice 9: why was it just two years ago and i didn't have that prior

[3:32:03] Voice 3: to this trust council

[3:32:05] Voice 9: It

[3:32:05] Voice 5: might be more than three years ago, but

[3:32:08] Voice 3: yeah, it was almost identical to their plan.

[3:32:10] Voice 3: There's one forestry lot, five residential lots, and a huge chunk of...

[3:32:14] Voice 3: It might have been the huge chunk that we're missing in these occupations.

[3:32:18] Voice 3: I'm not sure.

[3:32:19] Voice 6: It's almost identical.

[3:32:20] Voice 6: Anyways, yeah.

[3:32:24] Voice 6: This is part of that, right?

[3:32:25] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:32:26] Voice 6: So it's part of the nature protection.

[3:32:28] Voice 6: So it looks

[3:32:29] Voice 9: like it's...

[3:32:30] Voice 6: It's

[3:32:30] Voice 9: a breakout map that you can find how their lot

[3:32:33] Voice 8: is now divided.

[3:32:33] Voice 8: yeah it looks like closer to 72 percent and if i look remember quickly i did see that there was

[3:32:41] Voice 8: well

[3:32:42] Voice 14: it was 136 half of it went to f3 and the other half went and he

[3:32:48] Voice 8: did also make a portion

[3:32:50] Voice 8: of the waterfront park yes yeah which they are also which

[3:32:54] Voice 3: we did too but oh i didn't change it

[3:32:57] Voice 3: yeah okay not through our access

[3:33:01] Voice 12: i'm not talking about like a trail i'm talking about like

[3:33:05] Voice 12: an extensive portion of money

[3:33:07] Voice 3: had a fair size piece in there i

[3:33:09] Voice 12: didn't see that no i know but

[3:33:10] Voice 3: bc parks p biden

[3:33:11] Voice 3: said they didn't want it that was a fair choice sorry

[3:33:14] Voice 3: i'm not trying no no i

[3:33:16] Voice 4: just didn't

[3:33:17] Voice 3: see it i was confused and

[3:33:19] Voice 4: the bottom line is that weird

[3:33:21] Voice 3: i have nothing i need to give

[3:33:23] Voice 3: at least myself speaking for myself 75 as long as it stays forced i don't want to see the forces

[3:33:30] Voice 3: as anybody else so i don't have a problem with it as long as the treaty is safe i don't have

[3:33:34] Voice 3: a problem with it either yeah

[3:33:35] Voice 14: so there so we're all in the

[3:33:36] Voice 3: same page but i would like to be there

[3:33:40] Voice 3: well um

[3:33:44] Voice 9: i mean from what i've understood is that if we deny the application at this point there's

[3:33:50] Voice 9: no loss or not much loss of funds and perhaps we'd be better off creating a new application that

[3:33:58] Voice 8: better represents the 75-25 split rather than trying to back taylor but

[3:34:04] Voice 3: but the one person who

[3:34:06] Voice 3: like i said there's six owners the one person who owns he owns one portion he's unwilling to

[3:34:13] Voice 3: one person out of the group

[3:34:14] Voice 3: I'm willing to give up

[3:34:16] Voice 3: and I'm

[3:34:17] Voice 4: willing to do it

[3:34:18] Voice 4: I'm willing to give up

[3:34:20] Voice 4: 75% so that's why we're going

[3:34:23] Voice 4: F3 which is

[3:34:24] Voice 4: yeah

[3:34:24] Voice 9: but you can

[3:34:25] Voice 9: only have one dwelling in F3

[3:34:27] Voice 3: yeah

[3:34:28] Voice 3: they

[3:34:29] Voice 9: have enough land to create

[3:34:31] Voice 9: it's the RR part so what I'm

[3:34:33] Voice 9: saying is this

[3:34:36] Voice 9: this spliced

[3:34:37] Voice 9: like

[3:34:38] Voice 9: invention of the 75-25

[3:34:41] Voice 9: precedent is

[3:34:42] Voice 9: is what I believe will create a new precedent

[3:34:46] Voice 9: for rezoning forest lots,

[3:34:48] Voice 9: which is not consistent with the community vision

[3:34:51] Voice 9: of the forest lands.

[3:34:54] Voice 4: I think it, I mean, I'll just speak for myself.

[3:34:57] Voice 4: It's been interesting to listen for a while,

[3:34:59] Voice 4: but I think it's the fact that you try to hide the F3 off

[3:35:03] Voice 4: and then give 75% of what's left.

[3:35:06] Voice 4: That's correct.

[3:35:07] Voice 4: And that's what's causing-

[3:35:09] Voice 3: Well, if you're gonna give up 75%,

[3:35:11] Voice 3: there's no point in doing F3.

[3:35:14] Voice 4: i think

[3:35:16] Voice 3: that's what i'm saying that's exactly what she said

[3:35:19] Voice 4: the

[3:35:20] Voice 5: obligation might have more

[3:35:23] Voice 4: attraction you could

[3:35:27] Voice 15: you could alternatively rezone it to f3 you would get one dwelling right

[3:35:33] Voice 15: for 20 hectares right you rezone

[3:35:36] Voice 4: the whole thing so

[3:35:37] Voice 15: you could split it up into how big is the

[3:35:40] Voice 15: parcel how many hectares so it's 59 hectares but so

[3:35:45] Voice 15: you could get two dwellings yeah but there's

[3:35:49] Voice 15: six of those no but that's the point they're making is that that is an

[3:35:52] Voice 14: option you could

[3:35:53] Voice 14: entirely have three but you are then

[3:35:57] Voice 15: limited to one dwelling for 20 hectares and

[3:36:00] Voice 14: so if you have

[3:36:01] Voice 15: 59 hectares you would get two dwellings and you could split those plots

[3:36:06] Voice 9: or alternatively you know

[3:36:08] Voice 9: we have six owners and you could get seven rr lots if you do the original heritage forest precedent

[3:36:14] Voice 4: so i

[3:36:15] Voice 9: mean it's not like there's no door here oh

[3:36:17] Voice 4: i realized that i read well there is no

[3:36:19] Voice 4: door because we have one person those seven laws should be for the cluster cluster all right

[3:36:31] Voice 15: like there is a door open in that it is it is up to you to convince that owner

[3:36:37] Voice 15: to address the concerns of the local trust community not for them to uh it would be easier

[3:36:44] Voice 15: for us to try and convince the trustee

[3:36:52] Voice 4: but

[3:36:53] Voice 3: i did the calculations and i believe you can get seven watts so you

[3:36:56] Voice 9: know i'm sure yeah

[3:36:57] Voice 3: you

[3:36:57] Voice 5: would have to hire 47

[3:36:58] Voice 3: acres so you know yourself you know there was 720 acre watts

[3:37:02] Voice 3: originally yeah yes

[3:37:05] Voice 5: sir sorry

[3:37:07] Voice 17: you have a question um

[3:37:08] Voice 4: i'm i'm a little confused on why that split

[3:37:12] Voice 4: i assume that a large forestry one lot could be divided into two large forestry one months

[3:37:21] Voice 9: uh only if there's 65 hectares a piece okay

[3:37:25] Voice 17: yeah and so this would have been okay if there was

[3:37:31] Voice 18: 122 because in theory it would be like doing the two f1s

[3:37:36] Voice 4: and then splitting one f1 into f3s

[3:37:38] Voice 4: and whatever and the other one into residential the problem is for you guys um that that 62

[3:37:46] Voice 4: hectares is just too small of an area to use both of the ocps or um

[3:37:52] Voice 9: yes it's the

[3:37:53] Voice 9: it's the manipulation of the original event that is because i don't feel comfortable as a trustee

[3:38:01] Voice 9: inventing new forest uses uh

[3:38:05] Voice 3: that have not been passed by the community especially because this

[3:38:10] Voice 3: is one of the most but it isn't

[3:38:12] Voice 3: doing this and being in this but

[3:38:14] Voice 9: not the heritage forest isn't

[3:38:16] Voice 9: new and it's not being invented but what you have proposed and i don't know about valley so i can't

[3:38:20] Voice 6: yeah

[3:38:20] Voice 3: i'm saying yeah it's exactly what it is i

[3:38:23] Voice 6: do look at bowie so and it's

[3:38:27] Voice 6: it's tricky to tell but he'll be just it's

[3:38:30] Voice 9: four rr lots

[3:38:31] Voice 9: possibly and

[3:38:33] Voice 6: then he has a significant

[3:38:34] Voice 9: chunk of major protection and park and then he has f3 so it almost looks like i'd say

[3:38:43] Voice 5: yeah yes

[3:38:44] Voice 16: amenity lot too which they gave away which is what we've got yeah

[3:38:47] Voice 9: i'm not going to

[3:38:49] Voice 9: follow that precedent i'm following the precedent set by the community and that's the heritage board

[3:38:53] Voice 9: so

[3:38:53] Voice 15: that's something that you have done based on the community rules yeah but she's standing

[3:39:00] Voice 15: with a new new rule the question is that those trustees have a different perspective on splitting

[3:39:10] the F3 policy and the F175, or the F3

[3:39:16] Voice 15: covenant

[3:39:18] Voice 15: on the whole land base, one dwelling for 20 hectares,

[3:39:21] Voice 15: those trustees were willing to accept a dual policy approach.

[3:39:29] Voice 15: These trustees are unwilling to accept

[3:39:32] Voice 15: a dual policy approach.

[3:39:34] Voice 15: I hear you.

[3:39:34] Voice 15: Now, if we go seven lots,

[3:39:36] Voice 15: would we be able to get road access?

[3:39:39] Voice 14: That's another question.

[3:39:40] Voice 14: The property

[3:39:42] Voice 15: is pretty steep. We did a LIDAR, a type of radar to determine the road access.

[3:39:47] Voice 15: The other, and just to back up with the other important point, so your point earlier was

[3:39:53] Voice 15: if you gave away that strip of land to BC Parks on the back side and created the road up through there to DLD 6,

[3:40:01] Voice 15: then that road now touches onto the park. So even if you left your little strip of land road at the end

[3:40:07] Voice 15: to touch the current parcel uh with creating that side edge strip it would go along so you would

[3:40:14] Voice 15: have bc parts access all along that road which

[3:40:17] Voice 14: which is it won't change yet free but my point

[3:40:21] Voice 14: is is that the first nation's concerns are creating road access to harvard oh i agree

[3:40:27] Voice 14: we're not i don't think we're discussing pertinent here well at the beginning you were making the

[3:40:32] Voice 14: point that well if we i

[3:40:35] Voice 3: think we can overcome the first nations i think that part there i

[3:40:38] Voice 3: don't think we can overcome this well

[3:40:40] Voice 9: no actually that's greatly tied in with first nations concern

[3:40:43] Voice 9: but i'm not going to hinge it on uh because this is that is an overarching concern which i was

[3:40:51] Voice 9: voicing at the dl86 like i don't even know if they if nature protection is preferable for the

[3:40:57] Voice 9: indigenous people i know so i

[3:40:59] Voice 3: what i'm saying is this is a complicated but it's this is just the

[3:41:04] Voice 3: foremost like the easiest thing i'm talking about right

[3:41:08] Voice 8: now before it gets more complex into the

[3:41:12] Voice 8: archaeological um aspects of that land and the um with the opening of the road into denisio so

[3:41:20] Voice 8: So that is something that I'm very respectful of

[3:41:24] Voice 8: and I don't feel comfortable tackling

[3:41:27] Voice 8: as an individual right now.

[3:41:30] Voice 3: So I was addressing that.

[3:41:32] Voice 4: So what is it you'd like to do with this application?

[3:41:35] Voice 4: I think I was going to make a motion.

[3:41:37] Voice 4: Yeah,

[3:41:37] Voice 9: I was going

[3:41:38] Voice 14: to make a motion

[3:41:38] Voice 14: that

[3:41:39] Voice 9: the Galliangable Process Committee proceed no further

[3:41:41] Voice 9: with application GLR as a 2021 Decimal 2 GALER.

[3:41:45] Voice 9: um purely because i feel like it's it's not it's it's so far away from what we potentially need to

[3:41:56] Voice 9: be looking at that um i don't want to waste years and years of time uh you know like what

[3:42:01] Voice 9: that we've seen with other forest lot applications like 20 years later and

[3:42:05] Voice 9: chipping away and finally it's like i think you could work with the planner and ltc of the day to

[3:42:11] Voice 9: actually come up with something

[3:42:13] Voice 4: that's a

[3:42:14] Voice 12: good plan i mean i feel

[3:42:16] Voice 4: like i'm happy

[3:42:18] Voice 9: to work with

[3:42:19] Voice 9: landowners and i know that the planners are happy to work with them and maybe um perhaps engaging

[3:42:25] Voice 9: with indigenous people in the groups that are having an interest in them before putting a

[3:42:29] Voice 9: proposal forward so it's i don't know these are these are tricky

[3:42:35] Voice 6: questions yes

[3:42:36] Voice 4: they are and i

[3:42:36] Voice 4: i i but i when i heard was a motion putting it in advance or us or the motion of suggestion you'd

[3:42:43] Voice 4: like to give direction to to take no further action yeah

[3:42:47] Voice 9: because i i

[3:42:48] Voice 4: think the language is

[3:42:49] Voice 4: no

[3:42:49] Voice 9: it's actually just proceed no forever um i just think it's so far off what rather than

[3:42:57] Voice 4: trying rather than

[3:42:58] Voice 9: yeah rather than if we're hanging around people what

[3:43:03] Voice 4: do you what do you

[3:43:03] Voice 4: trust is over to this emotion on the table oh

[3:43:05] Voice 8: i'm sorry i'm sorry i keep turning this way and i don't

[3:43:08] Voice 8: see you so we've

[3:43:10] Voice 16: talked to so many people on the island and everybody that we've talked to like

[3:43:14] Voice 16: hundreds and hundreds of people would support this so why can't we get what the community support

[3:43:20] Voice 16: so you're one person i don't even know if you live on the island i've probably talked to several

[3:43:24] Voice 16: hundreds of

[3:43:25] Voice 8: people

[3:43:31] Voice 16: here that want to see this go through because they they want to see access to

[3:43:37] Voice 16: the park obviously we have to check with penelope but so i just

[3:43:42] Voice 3: think it's our way to get some

[3:43:44] Voice 3: input from the community

[3:43:45] Voice 16: on this it's called a

[3:43:46] Voice 3: nocp review that's what i'm recommending that

[3:43:48] Voice 3: we review the forestry policy section in that area and that's how you get community input as

[3:43:53] Voice 3: large yeah and

[3:43:58] Voice 4: and one of the one of the things that's really important and i'm sort of paraphrasing

[3:44:03] Voice 4: uh the trustee said it was um we're in an area an era of uh quite a different era when it comes to

[3:44:13] Voice 4: indigenous concerns and reconciliation and it's not simply about oh we just have to talk to

[3:44:19] Voice 4: Connecticut so this is an important part of their historical lands and that area I'm guessing in

[3:44:27] Voice 4: particular I don't know Galiana well enough to know that's probably where the whole island is

[3:44:31] Voice 4: but given that Dean Mitzu was there so that would be a very important conversation to have as part

[3:44:38] Voice 4: of an OCP review of what that might look like in the future so anyway I'll just I'll be quiet now

[3:44:47] Voice 4: now. And I didn't know. Sorry. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm

[3:44:52] Voice 3: a

[3:44:54] Voice 17: little confused. I understood that we

[3:44:59] Voice 4: shouldn't be talking to the delegate by ourselves. I kind of got the news that maybe we should.

[3:45:07] Voice 4: I don't know now what

[3:45:09] Voice 8: we should be doing. I

[3:45:11] Voice 9: wasn't suggesting that applicants engage

[3:45:15] Voice 9: engage with the indigenous groups involved in that area on their own, but more that somehow

[3:45:20] Voice 9: a dialogue must be created. And I actually don't know how that goes. I don't know, press

[3:45:27] Voice 9: chair Rogers, because you work more on the executive and with Lisa Wilcox, when she was

[3:45:32] Voice 3: on the we had a senior government policy. It's complicated. And I from what we've heard

[3:45:39] Voice 9: from the feedback through staff is that indigenous people don't want access to the park and so

[3:45:46] Voice 9: i don't actually know how that plays out but i'm not about to preempt those concerns

[3:45:52] Voice 3: but i i think it's simply access to the park i think that's easy to fix

[3:45:57] Voice 3: just make the gate closed yeah yeah they definitely

[3:46:00] Voice 4: but one of the things what i don't i won't tend

[3:46:03] Voice 4: to be an expert with anything but one of the things i've learned is it's really really important

[3:46:08] Voice 4: for none of us as part of the settler community

[3:46:12] Voice 4: to speak on behalf of First Nations.

[3:46:14] Voice 4: They speak on behalf of themselves.

[3:46:16] Voice 4: And we have to know that how you communicate,

[3:46:20] Voice 4: how they are communicated with is challenging

[3:46:22] Voice 4: because they tend to work on government to government,

[3:46:26] Voice 4: they call it nation to nation ways,

[3:46:29] Voice 4: but they'll also work sometimes with individual groups.

[3:46:35] Voice 4: If they're approached,

[3:46:36] Voice 4: or what better to approach from a point of view of getting to know you

[3:46:44] Voice 4: and having some sort of commonality as opposed to just on a particular issue.

[3:46:49] Voice 4: So if you don't have a relationship and lots of members and you just don't,

[3:46:53] Voice 4: it's challenging to find a way to have a conversation

[3:46:56] Voice 4: that doesn't sound self-interested.

[3:46:59] Voice 4: And I'm being a bit of a one, but that's the way it sort of plays out.

[3:47:02] Voice 4: And so often those I think when I don't know what trustee is going to pose, but if it's going to propose, for example, a review of the OCP policies around forestry as a project for our organization, then we as a trust committee and a quasi government.

[3:47:22] Voice 4: And I use that term because people who are in the local government as opposed to an agency but whatever we are, can generate discussions and have any OCP review would be something that would engage with First Nations.

[3:47:39] Voice 4: So I think that's what you're referring to. So does that answer your question? I know that's a bit vague.

[3:47:45] Voice 4: And you've got a fair reason. I'm just watching my clock because you told me you had to leave.

[3:47:48] Voice 4: Yeah, so very

[3:47:49] Voice 3: quickly, as I said, if that was the issue, or was the road access, there might be a dispute, right?

[3:47:57] Voice 3: We actually talked to them and find out what the issue is, and I agree.

[3:48:01] Voice 3: Number one, but even if we talk to them and we come to an understanding and we say, and they're happy and say, okay, well, then we're okay with it.

[3:48:10] Voice 3: If Parks comes and says, well, if they're okay with it, we'll take the donated land.

[3:48:13] Voice 3: What you're saying is it still isn't going to be made, is that correct?

[3:48:17] Voice 9: well with me as a trustee i feel this doesn't represent the community's vision with the

[3:48:24] Voice 9: heritage forest

[3:48:25] Voice 6: precedent that we're set and without a comprehensive or not comprehensive

[3:48:29] Voice 6: without a specific ocp review on this

[3:48:32] Voice 9: policy on the forest policies to change it right i don't

[3:48:37] Voice 9: think i can

[3:48:37] Voice 8: say that yes this is in keeping with what the community

[3:48:41] Voice 9: believes all right

[3:48:42] Voice 9: now if everything was kosher with everyone involved and you did the 75 25 split i would say

[3:48:48] Voice 9: that is consistent with the precedent so

[3:48:50] Voice 4: so we have submitted an application for a result and

[3:48:54] Voice 4: at this point you're turning it down is that correct i've

[3:48:56] Voice 8: made a motion to that i've been

[3:48:57] Voice 8: being supported by the club i understand

[3:48:59] Voice 3: so if you guys make the motion to turn it down it's turned

[3:49:01] Voice 3: out is it possible to get something in writing on why it's being turned out well

[3:49:06] Voice 9: i'll say

[3:49:07] Voice 14: it no no

[3:49:08] Voice 3: i could

[3:49:08] Voice 14: print up what i said in the i in my

[3:49:11] Voice 4: preamble yeah well it would

[3:49:14] Voice 4: be probably more

[3:49:15] Voice 4: accurately because sometimes it's challenging to admit that that's very verbatim you can watch the

[3:49:21] Voice 4: report i

[3:49:21] Voice 8: just want to make one more comment before you finish

[3:49:24] Voice 16: your motion um when we brought our

[3:49:26] Voice 16: proposal back in december and we were also proposing one forestry lot and only two

[3:49:32] Voice 16: residential lots and then of course the 75 percent donation of those those two lots it seemed okay

[3:49:40] Voice 16: that we were also doing um a split we've got enough land to do together a

[3:49:46] Voice 9: lot of forestry

[3:49:46] Voice 9: you must have missed my comments because it was absolutely not okay with me at the time and that

[3:49:52] Voice 9: was recorded in

[3:49:53] Voice 9: the minutes and i was actually

[3:49:55] Voice 7: going to make a motion to rescind moving forward

[3:49:57] Voice 7: with that application because i was disturbed

[3:50:01] Voice 9: that nothing had changed with the next application by

[3:50:03] Voice 9: gaylord and so i was at no point satisfied with the dl86

[3:50:09] Voice 3: proposal it seemed to me like it was

[3:50:15] Voice 3: favorable i said

[3:50:17] Voice 9: you put some concerns about parkland about the whole

[3:50:21] Voice 9: i have the in writing

[3:50:22] Voice 9: too of what i said but i had concerns about the whole scheme because as as what i just voiced

[3:50:27] Voice 9: it's initially with here it was the exact same concerns and i do basically move forward with

[3:50:33] Voice 9: the hope that maybe perhaps the dl86 hadn't understood that you know oh this isn't in keeping

[3:50:41] Voice 9: with the original president and that it would be changed and now i understand that's probably not

[3:50:45] Voice 16: the case well their

[3:50:46] Voice 16: president their plan came out long before ours and it was based on the one that

[3:50:50] Voice 16: was already approved which is valley keeper's property like yeah i haven't seen that

[3:50:55] Voice 16: i think

[3:50:56] Voice 6: that's probably yeah

[3:50:57] Voice 15: it is but it is a similar proposal

[3:51:02] Voice 15: that approached the f3 lot and then created a split of the uh arrests for residential

[3:51:11] Voice 15: it looks

[3:51:13] Voice 9: like the percentages i mean i can't

[3:51:15] Voice 3: tell from the map but are much more than the percentages

[3:51:18] Voice 3: is forecasted at least two weeks thanks

[3:51:21] Voice 14: for your time i'm sorry yeah you guys i

[3:51:24] Voice 3: know you have to

[3:51:26] Voice 4: get it

[3:51:26] Voice 8: thank

[3:51:27] Voice 7: you

[3:51:28] Voice 4: it's clarity we'll we'll be back yeah

[3:51:31] Voice 7: i'm happy to chat anytime as well

[3:51:34] Voice 4: yeah and that's the best way pick up the phone okay

[3:51:49] Voice 9: talk to you can't talk to

[3:51:50] Voice 4: two of them at the same time but

[3:51:51] Voice 9: you can talk to them because

[3:51:53] Voice 3: then you've

[3:51:54] Voice 3: got to taste you have an idea of what the trends are or what i'm thinking i don't know what other

[3:51:58] Voice 3: okay

[3:51:59] Voice 4: i'm gonna i i don't know if you actually seconded uh trustee rock from this motion did

[3:52:05] Voice 4: you i will okay so the motion is you've got it and is there any further discussion we've talked

[3:52:11] Voice 4: about a fair amount um nothing further okay so i'll call the vote all the favor so that passes

[3:52:17] Voice 4: is if you have another motion well

[3:52:19] Voice 7: i was going to save this for the next meeting but the deal

[3:52:22] Voice 7: you

[3:52:22] Voice 4: don't you can if

[3:52:23] Voice 9: you want to um the deal 86 applicants here and unfortunately i feel like at

[3:52:29] Voice 9: this time i'm going to make the motion that the galleon trust committee proceed no further with

[3:52:34] Voice 9: application gl rsv 2021 decimal two they were and that's because i don't want the applicant to lose

[3:52:41] Voice 9: as soon as the planner starts working on the application money just gets absorbed

[3:52:47] Voice 9: And because it's stacked, and Crestle Mountain has, you know, there's been so much stack time spent on rezoning applications that got re-tailored for 20 years.

[3:52:57] Voice 9: I think it's better just to come with an application that we feel is going to be supported by the Local Trust Committee and the Indigenous

[3:53:04] Voice 8: groups that have concerns with the lands.

[3:53:06] Voice 8: And then that will probably be a faster procedure and also more affordable.

[3:53:14] Voice 4: can i um just say i prefer to it's not that i'm opposed that motion it's just because i don't

[3:53:20] Voice 4: have it in front

[3:53:21] Voice 5: of me and i don't

[3:53:21] Voice 4: have it clear in my head exactly and you clearly have gone back

[3:53:25] Voice 4: and looked at it leading up to today which is great and i totally trust you doesn't i'd like

[3:53:29] Voice 4: to defer this to your motion uh just so i can go back and look at the where we were out on

[3:53:36] Voice 4: application because frankly i came into today thinking that this motion this application was

[3:53:42] Voice 4: that application and um i am i didn't realize they were different um yeah i'd like to go back and

[3:53:48] Voice 4: read the one from december because that's all right yeah so

[3:53:51] Voice 4: i'd like to move to defer your

[3:53:54] Voice 4: motion to uh on pl

[3:53:56] Voice 4: 86 until uh our next week yep i just um one of the things i'm very very

[3:54:06] Voice 4: conscious of money because we put every cent we have into just buying the property um and so we

[3:54:12] Voice 4: have to do anything else um and even up come out the process has been very costly is there any way

[3:54:19] Voice 4: just to have these but um instead of just cancelling it so we have to do everything over

[3:54:24] Voice 4: again to just put them on hold until we've had the review you're recommending so not just cancelling

[3:54:30] Voice 4: on just putting them on both i

[3:54:32] Voice 9: could have made my motion for dl86 that we um put but not to vote on

[3:54:39] Voice 9: it today but i'm i i would have to be happy to amend my motion on 86 that we put it in advance

[3:54:45] Voice 3: but we don't have to vote on us today because i'd like you to have an opportunity i'd

[3:54:49] Voice 4: just like to

[3:54:50] Voice 3: make sure i know what i'm talking about i'm not

[3:54:52] Voice 3: in a rush but i hear what you're

[3:54:53] Voice 4: saying i'm referring

[3:54:53] Voice 4: to both because the only six is completely cancelled we don't have a public road going

[3:54:58] Voice 4: to the property well

[3:54:59] Voice 9: we already voted on

[3:55:00] Voice 9: 85. okay so that's um proceeding no further but

[3:55:04] Voice 9: i've taken what you said into consideration and i'm happy to

[3:55:08] Voice 9: change my motion in september or

[3:55:11] Voice 8: whatever to put it in advance rather than

[3:55:13] Voice 4: okay so the motion is to put it in advance i believe that it's not being deferred

[3:55:18] Voice 4: until our september meeting are we okay with that can i think about that

[3:55:27] Voice 4: to speak to this point where

[3:55:31] Voice 15: uh where uh you could like once you do this in the l85 once

[3:55:39] Voice 15: you give this chunk to bc parks then unless the road ends there even if it doesn't there

[3:55:44] Voice 15: you're still creating that land access to the park right so the main

[3:55:50] Voice 15: one of the key concerns

[3:55:53] Voice 15: is that we don't want land access to the access. So if you create this ribbon along here,

[3:56:04] Voice 15: but essentially creates land access through there to

[3:56:23] all

[3:56:25] Voice 4: right so if we can get back is there any other business related to that

[3:56:30] Voice 4: or a motion related to that um is there anything further you guys trustee wolverton you want to

[3:56:39] Voice 4: talk about anything further um let me go back i think the next item on the agenda was the the um

[3:56:51] Voice 4: was the uh our own project uh which is the project related to the three four lots etc

[3:57:00] Voice 4: um and reviewed rezoning so planner smith over to you it's

[3:57:17] Voice 5: a page 120 130.

[3:57:39] Voice 10: so this is bringing back uh we're minor

[3:57:42] Voice 15: zoning uh project that the lpc is moving forward

[3:57:56] Voice 15: so staff has completed a consultation on those with respect to agency information referrals

[3:58:04] Voice 15: no major concerns were raised and so it's now stopped for bringing back

[3:58:09] Voice 15: the proposed bylaws and proposing second reading and proposing that you schedule a public hearing

[3:58:18] Voice 15: for your next local trust committee meeting on September 6th 2022 and community information

[3:58:27] Voice 15: in conjunction with that meeting given up to date or today there have been no community or

[3:58:34] Voice 15: for First Nation or agency concerned, and that in this

[3:58:39] Voice 17: case, it's appropriate to have

[3:58:42] Voice 17: the community information in conjunction with the project.

[3:58:49] Voice 8: I mean, it's exciting that this project will be able to fit in that time frame and that

[3:58:56] Voice 8: the planning is going to get the work into that.

[3:59:00] Voice 8: Yes, I had some thoughts about,

[3:59:04] Voice 16: again, about the First Nation's engagement in this, and

[3:59:09] Voice 16: And I know that the capacity of the Fidelicate is not great to give us responses,

[3:59:16] Voice 16: but I think we need to take the additional step to try to bring them over,

[3:59:24] Voice 16: to look at these lands, to see what they might have to say.

[3:59:32] Voice 15: We discussed these parcels with Indigenous relations staff,

[3:59:37] Voice 15: and they have not been part of discussions around treaty settlement lands.

[3:59:42] Voice 15: All of those discussions in Penelakut or the Hobalkami are moving to stage four, stage five of the treaty.

[3:59:51] Voice 15: And these are not part of it?

[3:59:53] Voice 15: These lands. So the point was, I'm sure any lands

[3:59:56] Voice 15: would be interesting, but to date there has been none.

[4:00:00] Voice 15: expressed by their attention to these particular crowning parcels and of course gl64 is private

[4:00:07] Voice 15: so my curious concerns

[4:00:10] Voice 15: but i don't see major objections and even resigning to nature protection would only

[4:00:22] Voice 15: uh then represent what their current land use is it wouldn't preclude they're still crowned on and

[4:00:28] Voice 15: And it

[4:00:28] Voice 15: wouldn't preclude the government in the future to be raised in discussions with nations.

[4:00:33] Voice 15: And in fact, it might be more appropriate than an F1 law

[4:00:37] Voice 4: in those discussions.

[4:00:40] Voice 4: So if you do that, I think we'll hold up and finalize this project.

[4:00:45] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:00:45] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:00:48] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:00:50] Voice 9: I mean, I'm concerned because their hunting territories have been really severely reduced.

[4:00:57] And

[4:00:57] Voice 3: in nature protection, it's silent on nature hunting, but I'm not sure whether we can add something

[4:01:09] Voice 3: to that point right now.

[4:01:10] Voice 3: It's not...

[4:01:10] Voice 3: Yeah.

[4:01:12] Voice 15: There's only bylaws.

[4:01:13] Voice 4: You wouldn't

[4:01:16] Voice 15: have the jurisdiction or

[4:01:17] Voice 4: authority to express an invasion of hunting from anyone.

[4:01:25] Voice 17: This

[4:01:25] Voice 3: is just naming lots that are already intended for those.

[4:01:30] Voice 3: It's just a letter on a map.

[4:01:32] Voice 4: Yeah.

[4:01:32] Voice 4: I mean, I'm

[4:01:34] Voice 4: if you think that

[4:01:37] Voice 4: they could

[4:01:38] Voice 4: be part of a future

[4:01:40] Voice 4: negotiation, even

[4:01:44] Voice 3: in their nature protection

[4:01:46] Voice 3: state.

[4:01:49] Voice 15: As Crown

[4:01:50] Voice 3: the

[4:01:50] Voice 15: province and

[4:01:52] Voice 15: the First Nation could negotiate

[4:01:54] Voice 15: any kind of land transfer

[4:01:57] Voice 15: if that was ever

[4:01:58] Voice 15: to be considered.

[4:02:01] Voice 15: Regardless, at that point

[4:02:03] Voice 15: the local government

[4:02:04] Voice 15: with zoning is less relevant than those discussions

[4:02:09] Voice 4: between uh governments yeah okay so what you're

[4:02:14] Voice 4: saying is that is that even if we rezone these nature projections we finish that process

[4:02:20] Voice 4: well that would impact the community on the island and what development could occur on those lands

[4:02:26] Voice 4: it could not specifically as i would understand this way i would i could not restrict first

[4:02:34] Voice 4: nations uh statutory rights to hunt and gather your bylaws don't have the authority to speak to

[4:02:43] Voice 4: i

[4:02:44] Voice 5: mean

[4:02:45] Voice 4: i was struck the same thing you were struck by is when we sent out the referrals

[4:02:50] Voice 4: we talked to her we know they

[4:02:52] Voice 4: aren't part of the treaty negotiations specifically

[4:02:54] Voice 4: or at least that's the information we have but um it's uh if you wonder about about doing this

[4:03:04] Voice 4: with a more fulsome conversation yeah

[4:03:07] Voice 9: and maybe maybe what we can do is uh and be sure to invite

[4:03:11] Voice 9: them to come to speak

[4:03:14] Voice 4: on the 6th of yeah is

[4:03:16] Voice 4: it the 6th of september yeah

[4:03:18] Voice 16: 6th of september

[4:03:19] Voice 4: right it would be great we have because i was actually thinking the other day

[4:03:25] Voice 4: we had in here we had someone from the development here

[4:03:28] Voice 4: i don't think we've had anybody here since then

[4:03:36] Voice 17: only the trust council yes

[4:03:39] Voice 4: Yes.

[4:03:42] Voice 15: Seeking to, like, send another letter in identifying that the trust committee is considering adopting these bylaws?

[4:03:52] Voice 15: Is that what you're seeking?

[4:03:53] Voice 10: Yeah, yeah.

[4:03:56] Voice 15: But not seeking, like, you want to invite them to speak?

[4:04:05] Voice 16: Invite them to participate in whatever way.

[4:04:08] Voice 15: So send another

[4:04:09] Voice 4: follow-up letter.

[4:04:10] Voice 4: yeah

[4:04:10] Voice 16: would that be better coming

[4:04:11] Voice 4: from the local trust committee like a political letter or is

[4:04:14] Voice 4: it better coming from the staffers

[4:04:16] Voice 3: anything better from us we

[4:04:20] Voice 4: could pass a motion to drop

[4:04:21] Voice 4: the letter to send off and you could tell me what it said when i could drop something that

[4:04:25] Voice 4: you guys could approve of and invite them to come more i

[4:04:29] Voice 15: think yeah the other challenge is it's not

[4:04:32] Voice 15: like there's there's there's 15 nations that's true so

[4:04:36] Voice 15: more so with with with overlapping

[4:04:40] Voice 15: overlapping that's true

[4:04:43] Voice 15: overlapping historical use in the provincial database so that's true

[4:04:50] Voice 15: the key

[4:04:51] Voice 9: here is that it's not usurping any crown rights um our bylaws it's just taking something

[4:04:58] Voice 3: out of f1 and putting it in nature protection and it's still 100 available for treaty negotiations

[4:05:03] Voice 3: is what i'm hearing and

[4:05:05] Voice 15: even like with dl85 and 86 although penelope

[4:05:08] Voice 15: and other nations while they are the the potentially primary nation that has concerns

[4:05:20] Voice 15: consultation would have to occur with all of those nations and other nations may raise

[4:05:25] Voice 15: completely different concerns with penelope around or even if like if you went to negotiate

[4:05:31] Voice 15: with penelope you would have to also negotiate with all those other nations where there was

[4:05:36] Voice 15: over nothing uh plain areas exist so it's not quite as simple so what i would recommend is that

[4:05:43] Voice 15: you send if you want to engage nations one more time to ensure that nothing is raised

[4:05:50] Voice 15: you would send a letter to all of those nations that we already referred to saying we sent you

[4:05:56] Voice 15: this bylaw referral in february or whenever it was we are now considering uh going to public hearing

[4:06:04] Voice 15: uh to further consider the uh uh mending of these to uh nature protection do you have any uh do you

[4:06:14] Voice 15: have anything

[4:06:14] Voice 4: so we are asking again do you have any concerns i think that's i think that's right

[4:06:19] Voice 9: but it would it not just be 87 that we're referring to because 64 is probably only being

[4:06:25] Voice 14: rezoned

[4:06:26] Voice 3: as major protections

[4:06:27] Voice 14: 64 you would leave out and then what about

[4:06:29] Voice 3: jacob rich because those

[4:06:30] Voice 3: the other

[4:06:31] Voice 15: three are crowned okay i

[4:06:34] Voice 9: didn't know about the bodega ridge when we're crowned on

[4:06:36] Voice 9: the

[4:06:36] Voice 15: the dl64 is owned by the galilean conservancy yeah

[4:06:41] Voice 9: i was worried

[4:06:41] Voice 9: while

[4:06:42] Voice 15: we send out a referral letter to them uh they're not they would they couldn't be part of a

[4:06:49] Voice 15: treaty settlement or any other kind of challenge because they are owned

[4:06:54] Voice 4: a few symbols by the

[4:06:55] Voice 4: uh

[4:06:55] Voice 15: but the other three lots are provincially owned crown lands and so so

[4:07:01] Voice 4: can we appropriate

[4:07:02] Voice 4: to include this can we get that as another further motion at the end of this if you guys want to

[4:07:07] Voice 4: sure you're ready to go with the motions that are in the back yeah

[4:07:11] Voice 8: i'm ready to go

[4:07:12] Voice 8: the galliano spending bylaw number 231 cited as galliano island official community plan bylaw

[4:07:22] Voice 8: bylaw number 108, 1995, amendment number 24,

[4:07:25] Voice 6: 2011,

[4:07:26] Voice 6: be given second reading.

[4:07:28] Voice 6: Is

[4:07:29] Voice 4: there a second in that?

[4:07:30] Voice 4: Okay, and then further discussion,

[4:07:31] Voice 4: be all in favor, that passes.

[4:07:34] Voice 4: Go ahead.

[4:07:36] Voice 8: That

[4:07:37] Voice 16: the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[4:07:38] Voice 16: bylaw number 232, cited as the Galliano Island Land Use

[4:07:42] Voice 16: bylaw 127, 1999, amendment three, 2011,

[4:07:47] Voice 16: be given second reading.

[4:07:49] Voice 4: Seconded.

[4:07:50] Voice 4: Any further discussion, if not, all in favor, that passes.

[4:07:53] Voice 5: go ahead the

[4:07:57] Voice 9: galleon on local trust committee direct staff to schedule a public hearing for

[4:08:01] Voice 9: proposed bylaws number 231 and number 232 will be held on september 6 2022.

[4:08:06] Voice 4: secretary and further discussion policies unanimously and go ahead uh

[4:08:11] Voice 9: that the galleon

[4:08:11] Voice 9: on local trust committee direct staff to schedule a community information meeting in conjunction

[4:08:15] Voice 9: with the public hearing for proposed bylaws number 231 and 232 okay

[4:08:20] Voice 4: process unanimously thank you

[4:08:22] Voice 4: um and we should have a motion then to ask staff to re-refer the bylaws to the and advise them

[4:08:32] Voice 4: with the motions that were passed today does that that make sense uh we passed another motion to ask

[4:08:38] Voice 4: you to re-refer the bylaws to uh relevant first nations and also advise the motions for uh for

[4:08:47] Voice 4: today something like that you got that okay i'll say okay so ready for the discussion about that

[4:08:54] Voice 4: okay thanks very much and thanks for the work on this uh iron smith that's a great work forward

[4:09:03] Voice 4: let's just see if we get through some more of the agenda we anything about the work

[4:09:07] Voice 4: program the top priorities report that anybody either trustee was raised

[4:09:15] Voice 4: Do you want to say the next thing is about GALI, it's just a setting a date, I don't

[4:09:25] Voice 4: think we're going to discuss any of the issues, so why don't we just, what is it you're proposing

[4:09:29] Voice 4: Dr. Smith?

[4:09:33] Voice 15: September 6th at your regular trustee meeting for the CIM and September 27th if you decide

[4:09:40] Voice 15: to change your October

[4:09:42] Voice 17: 3rd meeting for the public.

[4:09:50] Voice 17: so i guess

[4:09:52] Voice 4: we need to talk about the october 3rd meeting right do you

[4:09:55] Voice 4: want to talk about that

[4:09:56] Voice 4: briefly i

[4:09:57] Voice 8: would like to make a motion that the october 3rd ltc meeting being rescheduled to

[4:10:02] Voice 8: september 27th at 12 30.

[4:10:07] Voice 5: so

[4:10:08] Voice 3: that's a

[4:10:14] Voice 4: tuesday as opposed to a monday

[4:10:17] Voice 5: okay

[4:10:19] Voice 4: we want to speak to your motion that's

[4:10:21] Voice 4: been moved in second it doesn't move the october third meeting september 27th and then speak to

[4:10:27] Voice 4: your motion

[4:10:28] Voice 3: no just make the motion okay

[4:10:30] Voice 4: do you want to speak to us uh okay uh i'll call a vote

[4:10:37] Voice 4: all in favor she voted yes

[4:10:40] Voice 4: uh so that's so that means that there will be a meeting on october the 6th

[4:10:47] Voice 4: uh potentially on october the 24th and potentially again on october the 20th and then again on

[4:10:56] Voice 4: october the 27th and um sorry let's go back to the galley matter so you're proposing

[4:11:04] Voice 4: that we have this cim we've already booked the cim for the for the uh and public hearing for the

[4:11:13] Voice 4: project for those four but you're proposing we have the cim for uh the uh for galan the sixth

[4:11:23] Voice 4: and are you proposing that to be part of our regular meeting or to be in the evening or how

[4:11:27] Voice 4: are you thinking imagine that i mean i mean to be you know abundantly clear we've had a lot less

[4:11:37] Voice 4: yeah

[4:11:37] Voice 15: that's one thought as to why we're proposing scheduling on a regularly date and uh i don't

[4:11:46] Voice 15: think that's ever a particularly heavy agenda and so i would think that we could probably fit it in

[4:11:54] Voice 15: okay

[4:11:55] Voice 4: so trustees yeah no

[4:11:58] Voice 8: trustee i'm not here

[4:12:00] Voice 4: right sorry one other

[4:12:03] Voice 8: special uh or a motion

[4:12:05] Voice 8: motion to um well we haven't passed oh sorry

[4:12:10] Voice 4: do we have a motion on the table right now yes we've

[4:12:14] Voice 4: passed the motion to move the ltc and now we have a you win our motion to set the cim for

[4:12:21] Voice 4: gala on september 6th yes you would okay so there's a motion table to accept the ci cim for

[4:12:28] Voice 4: galley for september the 6th and a public hearing on the on what date 27. okay and that could okay

[4:12:39] Voice 15: again i think given that you have a few essential voices today okay so

[4:12:50] Voice 4: let's do this that's the

[4:12:51] Voice 4: motion is that i can second that okay so i don't have any concerns i can make those dates work

[4:12:56] Voice 4: uh all the favor that passes do you have something else one

[4:12:59] Voice 7: other um that a special

[4:13:01] Voice 7: meeting be called on for july 26th uh in conjunction with the

[4:13:06] Voice 4: groundwater have we

[4:13:08] Voice 4: already done that the special meeting regarding galley it

[4:13:13] Voice 15: was a special meeting for the to receive

[4:13:15] Voice 14: but

[4:13:15] Voice 15: she's seeking it uh uh i guess adding to that agenda or or a separate special meeting to

[4:13:27] Voice 3: receive the last reports the outstanding reports i understand

[4:13:33] Voice 4: we have to have it do that in a meeting

[4:13:48] Voice 4: okay i'm now we're talking about way more specifics i would have asked trustee

[4:13:52] Voice 4: are about

[4:13:52] Voice 4: to leave i

[4:13:53] Voice 3: didn't realize i was so observed in my phone sorry

[4:13:56] Voice 4: i was i didn't know

[4:14:04] Voice 5: okay

[4:14:05] Voice 4: this is all news to me so the idea is set a special meeting following the community

[4:14:12] Voice 4: information meeting so an ltc meeting they're

[4:14:14] Voice 9: probably in the morning so

[4:14:15] Voice 4: so right now you

[4:14:17] Voice 14: haven't received those documents and so to proceed with the cim and

[4:14:21] Voice 15: scheduling the public hearing

[4:14:23] Voice 15: we need to do an active page ad in august as you for your standing resolution to advertise

[4:14:29] Voice 15: the public hearing and so to be to ensure that we can do that meeting to receive those documents and

[4:14:38] Voice 15: have you be happy with them and because you don't need to get an irregular meeting september 6th

[4:14:43] Voice 15: we need to schedule a special meeting so trustee wolverton has proposed that we do that the same

[4:14:49] Voice 15: day as the cim so the two of you would take 20 minutes half an hour or whatever it takes

[4:14:54] Voice 15: with that one agenda

[4:14:56] Voice 15: receiving those reports as long as you're comfortable with that then staff

[4:15:00] Voice 15: could then proceed with advertising for the cm okay

[4:15:04] Voice 4: so um but i also i also heard the morning

[4:15:10] Voice 12: well it just like as soon as you like at 11 or whatever or 11 30 whenever you get in well

[4:15:16] Voice 4: okay

[4:15:17] Voice 15: so

[4:15:22] Voice 4: let's do that okay so i'll make that

[4:15:24] Voice 4: motion so the motion is to have a special

[4:15:26] Voice 4: meeting of the ltc to receive the galley reports uh at 12 30 on july the 26th

[4:15:38] Voice 4: yeah to be followed and that again is that's

[4:15:41] Voice 15: when you would adjourn

[4:15:42] Voice 15: that meeting and then you would

[4:15:44] Voice 15: enter your another and

[4:15:45] Voice 4: then we would have the water community information so that's the sole

[4:15:49] Voice 4: purpose of that that's great okay

[4:15:52] Voice 4: so that's been moved and i'll stop on that i assume you got that

[4:15:56] Voice 3: yeah it's

[4:15:57] Voice 4: confusing so that means that we have we have several meetings

[4:16:02] Voice 4: we have you won't be here

[4:16:04] Voice 4: but on the 16th and then on the 22nd 26th we have two meetings and then on the 6th we have the cim

[4:16:14] Voice 4: and public hearing around the around um about around our around the project yeah the 24th

[4:16:24] Voice 4: is proposed the cim for for crystal mountain and then the 27th is the new um actually it's not

[4:16:32] Voice 4: is the um public hearing around galley yeah and

[4:16:38] Voice 16: also they come to you okay

[4:16:41] Voice 4: it's been a long day

[4:16:46] Voice 4: um okay then that passes unanimously so we've got some scheduling is there anything else about

[4:16:53] Voice 4: scheduling that we need to do maybe one of the applicants

[4:16:57] Voice 8: just a technical question

[4:16:59] Voice 8: if you are considering these reports from galley the new reports uh is it the same you need to have

[4:17:08] Voice 8: them in a week ahead of time to get them off to the yeah

[4:17:12] Voice 5: so

[4:17:14] Voice 8: sorry that's july 16th and we needed

[4:17:17] Voice 8: a week ahead of time so that was july

[4:17:19] Voice 4: 26th

[4:17:20] Voice 8: you need

[4:17:23] Voice 4: actually more than the week ahead of time

[4:17:25] Voice 4: because we publish it a week ahead of time

[4:17:28] Voice 8: could you tell me what the date you would require the

[4:17:31] Voice 8: report back um yes

[4:17:33] Voice 15: septic report yes my understanding it was coming last week

[4:17:38] Voice 8: sorry that it was coming last week yeah

[4:17:40] Voice 15: so

[4:17:42] Voice 8: well it was our understanding too but the guidance

[4:17:46] Voice 4: it's just a matter of when ms planter smith needs to have it to prepare his report this

[4:17:51] Voice 4: as a process internally it

[4:17:53] Voice 15: needs to be

[4:17:54] Voice 4: published by the 19th i would say by the 15th 14th of july

[4:18:03] Voice 4: 10 days yeah approximately 10 days i mean otherwise it becomes a late item and it's

[4:18:10] Voice 4: harder to deal with it's not impossible

[4:18:12] Voice 8: thank you i appreciate the clarification

[4:18:16] Voice 8: thank you okay thanks very much

[4:18:20] Voice 8: anything

[4:18:21] Voice 4: further related to scheduling uh trustee rockefeller

[4:18:28] Voice 4: can you yell it to here

[4:18:33] Voice 4: uh anything just keep moving through the agenda i'm gonna have a quick town hall and then break

[4:18:38] Voice 4: by five because we're back here at six right

[4:18:41] Voice 6: okay um those reports

[4:18:44] Voice 6: are all fine

[4:18:45] Voice 6: uh

[4:18:46] Voice 4: nothing about the trustee local expense reports nothing about the standing resolution

[4:18:51] Voice 4: we've already talked about anything about the conservancy report that i meant to say

[4:18:56] i encourage

[4:18:57] Voice 4: people to read the conservancy report and all the good news coming out of the

[4:19:00] Voice 4: consistency uh we have a cim at six o'clock tonight we have a special meeting at 12 30

[4:19:07] Voice 4: um related to giggers on the 16th of july saturday the 16th right here i assume is it right here

[4:19:17] Voice 4: students here and then our next regularly scheduled meeting is at south community hall on

[4:19:25] tuesday september the 6th um anything further in terms of business on the agenda

[4:19:32] okay so very quickly there's not very few

[4:19:35] Voice 4: people left if anybody wishes to speak a little bit

[4:19:37] Voice 4: trust me um yes go ahead um i was going to suggest that uh when you said after uh when the cin

[4:19:47] Voice 4: i think it's september 24th is the date we're being suggested

[4:19:53] Voice 4: i believe that's the date it was suggested and i know there's been a lot of dates

[4:19:58] Voice 4: come and gone since we talked about that it was either the 15th or the 24th and i think

[4:20:04] Voice 4: planner smith suggested the 24th was the better day

[4:20:07] Voice 3: 24th is what we said about right

[4:20:10] Voice 4: that's the resolution so you could you

[4:20:12] Voice 18: only pass the resolution

[4:20:14] Voice 15: to schedule one and we can

[4:20:15] Voice 15: adopt that's

[4:20:17] Voice 18: by rwm

[4:20:18] Voice 4: or you can adopt it in september 14th oh we can adopt it here right now

[4:20:36] Voice 4: Yeah, and thank you for that. We talked about that sort of our idea with Blacksmiths. I

[4:20:42] Voice 4: think one of the concerns with the North End Hall was whether it had the kind of connectivity

[4:20:48] Voice 4: that we needed in order to do that sort of thing.

[4:20:51] Voice 4: this

[4:20:52] Voice 16: will be a hybrid uh meeting so people can speak to the meeting from

[4:20:59] Voice 16: through through a zoom webinar there

[4:21:02] Voice 15: would also be capacity concerns

[4:21:18] Voice 17: So

[4:21:21] Voice 4: those are our considerations, but we have your requests. I think those are the logical

[4:21:26] Voice 4: ones if you have some ideas around how we solve some of those issues, we could do that.

[4:21:31] Voice 4: but it's capacity it's it's connectivity it's all of those things to make sure that we can do it

[4:21:38] Voice 4: sorry twisty sorry bottle bottle

[4:21:44] Voice 3: i i just wanted to talk about the resulting

[4:21:48] Voice 3: it seems like the advocates are not aware that dc carts is not the only possible

[4:22:15] Voice 3: one of the things i'm concerned about the reviewing force policies

[4:22:21] Voice 3: is the possibility well it's the possibility it's the reality

[4:22:26] Voice 3: of the PNFL, and as you, it hasn't been altered to the section 21, so if you change anything,

[4:22:35] Voice 3: we'll be able to actually come up with a plan, so that's certainly not what we're

[4:22:40] Voice 3: going to do.

[4:22:42] Voice 8: Yeah, you're right.

[4:22:43] Voice 4: Good point, good point.

[4:22:45] Voice 4: I remember that now triggers a memory.

[4:22:48] Voice 8: So yeah, well, I

[4:22:49] Voice 3: mean, it's just, so it just puts us

[4:22:53] Voice 9: in a bind.

[4:22:53] Voice 4: Yeah, thanks very much.

[4:22:54] Voice 9: So what's confusing to me is, you know, I appreciate that, triggering that, which would then allow a house

[4:23:01] Voice 3: on every F1 lot.

[4:23:02] Voice 3: But then

[4:23:03] Voice 9: at the same time, if we just

[4:23:04] Voice 3: ignore reviewing

[4:23:05] Voice 8: it and continue kind of looking at rezonings ad hoc and getting

[4:23:11] Voice 3: further and further away from precedents,

[4:23:13] Voice 3: then what really does it matter? Because we're putting houses on four slots anyways, piecemeal.

[4:23:19] Voice 3: Anyway, that's not, unless we

[4:23:21] Voice 3: appreciate you bringing it back to me.

[4:23:23] Voice 3: It's

[4:23:24] Voice 9: just a comment, it's not a...

[4:23:25] Voice 3: That's fine.

[4:23:27] Voice 3: I

[4:23:27] Voice 9: think, though, that with the, if the PMFL were triggered and you could have one house,

[4:23:34] Voice 16: then we actually, as a local trust committee, have no say in how that land is handled.

[4:23:40] You

[4:23:44] Voice 3: really don't have a say anyways.

[4:23:47] Voice 3: Well, actually, you do.

[4:23:49] Voice 3: The LTC has

[4:23:50] Voice 8: been once enough power.

[4:23:52] Voice 3: Thanks.

[4:23:53] Voice 3: many decisions and land use is your forte and i mean it is your you know primary responsibility

[4:24:01] Voice 3: yeah but we still have power because we predated the nfl so i mean you can't reduce the whole cp

[4:24:13] Voice 3: but you could still stick to the principles of what was originally intended or modified to some

[4:24:20] Voice 3: extent but to the advantage of uh i think you're trying to do and i imagine

[4:24:29] Voice 3: i was just

[4:24:34] Voice 9: going to mention one other thing if the lands went to

[4:24:38] Voice 3: the conservancy or the galleon club then they are out of the pool for any treaty

[4:24:45] Voice 3: so then any treaty

[4:24:47] Voice 16: negotiations so

[4:24:48] Voice 4: yeah yeah sorry mr just go ahead yeah i i was rather interested in the in your reactions to the

[4:24:58] Voice 4: the application for dl uh dl 85 and 86 and um uh and i thought it was interesting how uh

[4:25:10] Voice 4: trustee roberto referred to you know cherry picking the uh the ocp and uh inventing new

[4:25:17] Voice 4: uses, kind of have your cake and eat it too. When just earlier today moved ahead with a development

[4:25:28] Voice 4: that if anything would advance new uses and sharing possibilities, it's the Crystal Mountain

[4:25:35] Voice 4: rezoning proposal. Sticking it under community facilities, it's a visitor accommodation,

[4:25:41] Voice 4: you've got it under community facilities and utilities, it's you know you've taken a forest

[4:25:46] Voice 4: the forest land, the forest land,

[4:25:49] Voice 4: where the only rezonings that ever happened

[4:25:51] Voice 4: on Gaonano are in accordance with the policies

[4:25:54] Voice 4: that Trustee Rockefeller referred to

[4:25:56] Voice 4: that she fought so hard to preserve

[4:25:57] Voice 4: for the people from 85 and 86.

[4:26:00] Voice 4: Now you've got a forest rezoning

[4:26:03] Voice 4: that allows like a commercial,

[4:26:07] Voice 4: or you're not calling it a commercial,

[4:26:08] Voice 4: visitor accommodation on forest land.

[4:26:10] Voice 4: My God, talk about setting a precedent.

[4:26:13] Voice 4: and not only that this uh development you've got it's it's the upper ridge is entirely separated

[4:26:20] Voice 4: it's different access from the uh from the uh main retreat area it's you know

[4:26:27] Voice 4: let's i know that

[4:26:29] Voice 4: there are people waiting in the wings for repeat proposals you're

[4:26:31] Voice 1: going to hear them

[4:26:32] Voice 4: in the next

[4:26:32] Voice 4: term i'm sure and uh this sets a terrible precedent allowing like duplicate development

[4:26:38] Voice 4: on different developments on different parts of the of the land it's crazy so if you're so

[4:26:44] Voice 4: concerned so

[4:26:45] Voice 4: stop making this personal mr ronald stop calling us names and i'm referring to the

[4:26:52] Voice 4: name of the trustee no you said crazy that's crazy i said it's crazy i didn't say you're crazy

[4:26:58] Voice 4: anyway i withdraw that suggestion it just doesn't make any sense mr joe yes i i recognize

[4:27:04] Voice 4: we were all very cognizant of your view i mean there are obviously substantial differences but

[4:27:10] Voice 4: i don't want to get into the debate and thank you i appreciate it it is a forest lottery going on

[4:27:15] Voice 4: and it says it is an f1 it says the president's

[4:27:18] Voice 4: concerned about these questions

[4:27:19] Voice 4: yes thanks for okay i think we're done um except for those of you who wish to join us again in

[4:27:30] Voice 4: about an hour yes you talked

[4:27:33] Voice 15: about setting a date for a cio for for crystal mountain but oh

[4:27:38] Voice 4: i guess we could do that well it is just easier if you think september 24th is the date that let's

[4:27:44] Voice 4: let's have a motion to do that okay so let's have a motion to are you in favor of that trustee

[4:27:55] Voice 4: okay so let's the motion is from trustee wolverton to have a cim on crystal mountain

[4:28:00] Voice 4: on september the 24th

[4:28:04] Voice 4: well that's very slightly different but i think i can get you right as long as it's not late

[4:28:09] Voice 4: it's a little bit later on sunday but i think at 12 30 on september the 24th

[4:28:15] Voice 4: uh and that's been seconded by trustee rockefeller yeah okay then all in favor so that's passed as

[4:28:24] Voice 4: well so that's the end of our business i believe unless there's anything further with that we'll

[4:28:30] Voice 4: adjourn and we'll see you some of you and and we'll do you online um the new uh so in about

[4:28:38] Voice 4: an hour we'll be back on i'll probably a little early before an hour we'll be back with the um

[4:28:44] Voice 4: on the CIM around GIGRs, the affordable housing project,

[4:28:48] Voice 4: and I'm gonna close this link now though.

[4:28:51] Voice 4: Okay, thank you for joining us

[4:28:52] Voice 4: and thanks for staying with us, bye.

[4:28:56] Thank you.

[4:32:10] Voice 4: is joining us online i apologize i forgot to unmute um but the uh this is where this is being

[4:32:17] Voice 4: live streamed and recorded at the same time as well just so you know there's probably 45 people

[4:32:24] Voice 4: in the room and uh we'll be we've set up some audio visuals so the people who are here can

[4:32:30] Voice 4: watch what you're watching on screen as well uh so we're getting there in terms of uh fully hybrid

[4:32:37] Voice 4: grid uh communication let me introduce the people you're going to hear from today besides the

[4:32:42] Voice 4: applicant of course you know you've got your uh local trustee trustee uh rockefeller jahira

[4:32:48] Voice 4: rockefeller um jane wolfman is not here because she's refused from this matter so the two of us

[4:32:55] Voice 4: make up the local trust committee we have carly billy who's the recorder um extraordinaire uh for

[4:33:02] Voice 4: the last time for a while with working with her um which has been a just let me say because i'll

[4:33:08] Voice 4: forget by the other way it's been a supreme pleasure to work with her um a true pro uh

[4:33:15] Voice 4: planner brad smith who you'll hear from from time to time uh we're fortunate to have um the

[4:33:21] Voice 4: freshwater specialist for the island uh william schulda join us in person today and so thank you

[4:33:28] Voice 4: for for joining us um what we're going to do is and i before i start before i turn this over to

[4:33:36] Voice 4: the planner and the applicant just a couple of words first of all this is a community

[4:33:42] Voice 4: information meeting this is not a public hearing this is a community information meeting so this

[4:33:46] Voice 4: is an opportunity to ask questions um that you may have get information that you need

[4:33:52] Voice 4: needs and so that you understand the application understand what what the ltc is doing you get to

[4:33:58] Voice 4: ask questions to the uh to the applicant if you wish all of which should be appropriate and

[4:34:03] Voice 4: respectful and and um and actually information gallery but this is not an opportunity for really

[4:34:10] Voice 4: for you to express your opinion what the idea is you get your information here and then you'll go

[4:34:16] Voice 4: away and think about the information that you've gotten and then we have a public hearing on on

[4:34:23] Voice 4: july the 16th and that's your opportunity to tell us what you think about what the application is

[4:34:29] Voice 4: and what the local trust committee is planning to do and what what do you think it should do so

[4:34:34] Voice 4: that's what this the whole idea of tonight is so this is more about getting more information we've

[4:34:39] Voice 4: already had one of these gosh it's two and a half years ago something like that i can't remember it

[4:34:44] Voice 4: was very early in the process we're much further down the process it's much more uh developed

[4:34:51] Voice 4: developed, etc. Anyway, when we get to the question answer, I have a few more things to say about

[4:34:56] Voice 4: about that. And for those of you watching the live streaming two things. One is I regret that

[4:35:04] Voice 4: we can't just have you join us directly. But if you have a question you'd like to have, and I

[4:35:10] Voice 4: recognize that the first thing is, is that there is a slight delay, something like 25 to 40 seconds

[4:35:18] Voice 4: between what we're doing here

[4:35:19] Voice 4: and what you're seeing at home,

[4:35:21] Voice 4: please email your questions.

[4:35:24] Voice 4: And I know a few people already have.

[4:35:25] Voice 4: I've seen one.

[4:35:26] Voice 4: Was it more than one?

[4:35:27] Voice 4: There's been one so far.

[4:35:29] Voice 4: And you can send it to me at drogers,

[4:35:32] Voice 4: D-R-O-G-E-R-S at islandstrust.bc.ca

[4:35:39] Voice 4: or to Tahira Rockefeller,

[4:35:41] Voice 4: which is T. Rockefeller at islandstrust.bc.ca.

[4:35:46] Voice 4: We will, as the question and answer sessions going along, we will raise the questions that are being asked to the appropriate person.

[4:35:56] Voice 4: So that's the way we're going to try and handle that. So please don't, if you have a question and you're watching this,

[4:36:02] Voice 4: keeping in mind that we're about 30 seconds ahead of you, try and get your questions in and ask them as you go along.

[4:36:09] Voice 4: So with that, I think that's all the logistics that I can think of.

[4:36:13] Voice 4: Thank you all for being here.

[4:36:15] Voice 4: I'm going to turn it over first to the planner,

[4:36:20] Voice 4: planner Brad Smith,

[4:36:21] Voice 4: who's going to set the context of the work that the local trust committee

[4:36:26] Voice 4: has been doing and where we're at in the process.

[4:36:29] Voice 4: And then I'm going to actually turn my computer over to the applicant

[4:36:32] Voice 4: because they have a presentation to make and a PowerPoint.

[4:36:37] Voice 4: So over to you, planner Smith.

[4:36:39] Voice 4: And you're

[4:36:40] Voice 14: going to, your speaker's over here now,

[4:36:43] Voice 14: I'm going to be a camera operator a

[4:36:45] Voice 10: little bit here.

[4:36:45] Voice 10: All right, that'd be great.

[4:36:52] Voice 14: So good evening, everyone.

[4:36:54] Voice 15: Thank you for coming to this community information meeting

[4:36:57] Voice 15: for the Giggers application, which is a rezoning proposal

[4:37:00] Voice 15: for a two-hectare portion of the community forest

[4:37:04] Voice 15: at the terminus of Georgia View Road.

[4:37:07] Voice 15: I won't get into any great detail about the application itself,

[4:37:11] Voice 14: but I'll just quickly summarize where things are at

[4:37:15] Voice 14: with the application so the application has been proceeding for uh about three and a half years now

[4:37:21] Voice 14: they applied in

[4:37:21] Voice 15: december of 2019 and we've been working with the local trust committee and the

[4:37:27] Voice 15: applicants and the community to advance to this stage where we're now as chair rogers said at our

[4:37:32] Voice 15: second community information meeting uh this meeting is an opportunity for you to ask questions

[4:37:38] Voice 15: of the local trust committee of the applicants and myself the planner and a number of consultants

[4:37:44] Voice 15: here in the room as well so i'll let the applicants that introduce those folks

[4:37:48] Voice 14: now the the uh the where we're at in the process is that there are two associated land use uh

[4:37:56] Voice 14: rezoning and uh official community plan

[4:37:59] Voice 15: bylaws before the local trust committee for community

[4:38:02] Voice 15: for consideration as part of the rezoning proposal uh both of those uh bylaws bylaw 276 and 277

[4:38:10] Voice 15: that can be given first reading by the Local Trust Committee.

[4:38:13] Voice 14: There's

[4:38:14] Voice 15: also an administrative bylaw with respect to a housing agreement

[4:38:17] Voice 15: that creates an

[4:38:20] Voice 14: agreement between the Local Trust Committee

[4:38:21] Voice 14: and the society and the current property owner

[4:38:26] Voice 14: with respect to terms around affordability and rent structure

[4:38:32] Voice 14: and other aspects of the agreement for providing affordable housing.

[4:38:41] Voice 14: And there's also a section 219, a land title act section 219 covenant

[4:38:46] Voice 14: that has a number of conditions around water protection, environmental protection,

[4:38:54] Voice 14: protection, a wide range of tree protection, a wide range of different elements of environmental

[4:39:02] Voice 14: protections that have been agreed on between the applicant and the local trust committee.

[4:39:06] Voice 14: So those documents, those two documents are more or less finalized. And, and so here we

[4:39:13] Voice 14: are at the community information meeting tonight. The next step, there's a public hearing scheduled

[4:39:18] Voice 14: for July 16th with respect to the two rezoning proposals,

[4:39:24] Voice 14: or there was two rezoning bylaws

[4:39:26] Voice 14: and all the other associated elements of the application,

[4:39:30] Voice 14: including the covenant and the housing agreement.

[4:39:34] Voice 14: That's on July 16th.

[4:39:36] Voice 14: And following that public hearing,

[4:39:38] Voice 14: it will be up to the local trust committee

[4:39:40] Voice 14: to decide what to do next.

[4:39:42] Voice 14: They could give second and third reading.

[4:39:44] Voice 14: And if they decide to do that,

[4:39:45] Voice 14: of the two bylaws

[4:39:46] Voice 15: then if they if they get to third reading either immediately following the

[4:39:52] Voice 15: public hearing or if they take time

[4:39:53] Voice 14: to consider the application further but once they get the

[4:39:57] Voice 14: third reading the next step then would be they would need staff would submit the amending bylaws

[4:40:04] Voice 14: to the executive committee of the islands trust which is a subset of the trust council

[4:40:10] Voice 14: the executive committee needs for all bylaws uh passing through the uh the island stress local

[4:40:17] Voice 14: trust committees uh all bylaws uh needs islands just approval before they can be finalized

[4:40:23] Voice 14: and in this case because there is an official community plan uh rezoning or a bylaw amendment

[4:40:31] Voice 14: uh the island stress act and the local government act require that uh the that bylaw be submitted

[4:40:38] Voice 14: it to the ministry of municipal affairs

[4:40:41] Voice 15: for ministerial approval so that would be the

[4:40:43] Voice 15: final step in in external approvals and uh

[4:40:48] Voice 14: assuming both executive committee and the minister

[4:40:52] Voice 14: uh approved the by the the amending bylaws then it would come back to the local trust committee

[4:40:57] Voice 14: for fourth reading and adoption and at that time uh the rezoning would be uh more or less complete

[4:41:03] Voice 14: And the one subsequent step in this case, given that they are proposing only a two hectare portion of the heritage forest or the community forest land is that they are also concurrently working with the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure on a subdivision approval process.

[4:41:25] Voice 14: So once rezoning is approved, then they would pursue final steps in subdivision approval with the Ministry of Transportation.

[4:41:34] Voice 14: And the Islands Trust also has a role in that as a referral agency in that the Ministry of Transportation refers the subdivision application to us and we provide, we compare that against our land use and OSUQI bylaws.

[4:41:53] Voice 14: us and we provide conditions back to the ministry that that are that captured in their preliminary

[4:41:58] Voice 14: layout approval letter and they must meet all those conditions before subdivision is approved

[4:42:04] Voice 14: one of those conditions

[4:42:06] Voice 15: in this case is successful rezoning so uh that's all and kind of my uh

[4:42:12] Voice 14: summary of where things are at and i'm going to pass it over to the applicants now they're

[4:42:17] Voice 14: going to describe the actual proposal in more detail and then following that uh chair rogers

[4:42:23] Voice 14: will open it up to any questions for anything i've said or uh anything that the applicants

[4:42:28] Voice 14: are talking about or any other questions that you might have okay thank you

[4:42:40] Voice 4: i'm trying to get your presentation on

[4:42:58] Voice 3: well

[4:43:00] Voice 4: it's up there in the corner i just need to get it so it's

[4:43:03] Voice 4: what we're seeing here

[4:43:06] Voice 4: how do we how do we get it so

[4:43:08] Voice 4: so i'm just going to turn this over

[4:43:23] Voice 4: and when you're ready you can just run it this is a powerpoint

[4:43:29] Voice 8: awesome thank you very much big chair

[4:43:54] Voice 8: awesome good

[4:43:56] Voice 7: evening everybody and welcome to the community information meeting for the gulf islands

[4:44:00] Voice 7: galileo horrible rental housing society uh

[4:44:04] Voice 6: thank you all for coming i'd

[4:44:10] Voice 9: like to start with

[4:44:11] Voice 9: acknowledging this land um here in galiano we acknowledge the deep privilege of living upon

[4:44:16] Voice 9: on unseated and asserted lands of the Peneliket, the Mulcha, the Wixom First Nations, as well

[4:44:23] Voice 9: as other Halk'n'Wit'num

[4:44:25] Voice 13: and Tshon'an speaking people, and

[4:44:28] Voice 6: the Treaty Territory of the Tawassum

[4:44:29] Voice 6: First Nations.

[4:44:32] Voice 6: Awesome.

[4:44:35] Voice 8: This is our agenda for our presentation,

[4:44:37] Voice 8: a little bit of team introduction

[4:44:40] Voice 7: and then a

[4:44:42] Voice 8: project overview.

[4:44:43] Voice 7: We'll discuss affordability.

[4:44:44] Voice 9: affordability, we'll cover the water management, ecological considerations, and then we'll

[4:44:51] Voice 9: talk a little bit about what we are.

[4:44:55] Voice 8: By way of introductions, I'd like to introduce Eleni

[4:44:59] Voice 8: Gibson from Wiser Projects. She's our development consultant for our project, and we also have

[4:45:06] Voice 8: Al Kohut in the audience back there, right on, professional engineer and senior hydrogeologist

[4:45:13] Voice 8: for HyGeo. Keith Erickson, who's here

[4:45:16] Voice 9: as well, registered professional biologist. And then we

[4:45:21] Voice 9: have Carl Williams, professional

[4:45:24] Voice 13: engineer and senior manager of engineering at MSR Solutions.

[4:45:30] Voice 13: I'd like to thank all our consultants for attending today. Thank you. And we also have

[4:45:35] Voice 13: our board of directors. We have George Harris, who's our vice president. Colleen Doty is our

[4:45:40] Voice 13: our secretaries, Joanne Randall,

[4:45:42] Voice 8: who is communications and community engagement.

[4:45:46] Voice 8: Aslyn McKay,

[4:45:48] Voice 9: who is our treasurer.

[4:45:50] Voice 9: Lauren Magner, who's a director

[4:45:52] Voice 9: and part of our finance committee.

[4:45:55] Voice 9: Christian Adler, who's part of our outreach

[4:45:58] Voice 9: and community engagement as well.

[4:46:00] Voice 9: He's also a minute taker.

[4:46:03] Voice 9: And we also have Elizabeth May,

[4:46:04] Voice 3: who's the director and we all know

[4:46:07] Voice 3: is a member of Parliament for Saanich Gulf Islands

[4:46:10] Voice 3: went since 2011.

[4:46:12] Voice 13: And then there's me. Lisa, go ahead. Thank you. Thanks, Lisa. So I'm going to

[4:46:19] Voice 13: walk through a really broad overview of the project. I'm going to keep it fairly brief

[4:46:24] Voice 13: because a lot of the information folks would have received at the last GIM and through the

[4:46:28] Voice 13: recent LTC meetings. And I want to make sure there's enough time for questions at the end.

[4:46:34] Voice 13: And just a little bit more about myself. As Lisa mentioned, I'm a development consultant.

[4:46:40] Voice 13: Wiser projects and we work on affordable housing projects all over Vancouver Island and the Gulf

[4:46:44] Voice 13: Islands and so we help sort of guide the development process, secure funding and help

[4:46:49] Voice 13: manage construction all the way through to the end. I'm just getting the PowerPoint set up here.

[4:46:54] Voice 13: here. Perfect. Um, so

[4:47:00] Voice 5: getting getting the

[4:47:05] Voice 8: screen set up.

[4:47:12] Voice 10: Okay, so,

[4:47:16] Voice 13: as most of you probably know, the site is located at 1663 Georgia View Road. The land has been secured through an agreement to purchase from the Galeano Club, essentially a donation, it'll be a

[4:47:29] Voice 13: purchase for ten dollars um because the the land uh there's a covenant on the land that does allow

[4:47:37] Voice 13: affordable housing as a use um so the size of the parcel that's going to be used for affordable

[4:47:42] Voice 13: housing is two hectares uh as planner smith mentioned this is a rezoning process to rezone

[4:47:48] Voice 13: from heritage forest to community housing and there's two draft bylaws associated with that

[4:47:53] Voice 13: one for the land use bylaw and one for an OCP amendment and this just gives a little bit more

[4:48:08] Voice 13: context um the blue hatching is uh the site for the affordable housing and it's within a larger

[4:48:15] Voice 13: area that was designated as appropriate for affordable housing within the larger uh heritage

[4:48:21] Voice 13: forest area this project is 12 units of affordable rental housing it'll be a mix of one two and three

[4:48:29] Voice 13: bedroom unit. As Planner Smith mentioned, there is a housing agreement associated with the project

[4:48:35] Voice 13: which secures affordability for the project and it also prevents any other type of development.

[4:48:40] Voice 13: So the only way this piece of land could be developed is to build affordable rental housing.

[4:48:45] Voice 13: Market housing would not be allowable on this site. Also there is the section 219 covenant

[4:48:50] Voice 13: that further restricts development in terms of groundwater, the development pattern,

[4:48:54] Voice 13: and a lot of the specifics that came out of the reports from our consultants are embedded in that

[4:48:59] Voice 13: section 219 covenant to ensure responsible development. This is I think a big question

[4:49:07] Voice 13: that folks have about the project and it's changed throughout the planning process and that's the

[4:49:12] Voice 13: affordability of the project. So what has been settled on in the housing agreement which staff

[4:49:18] Voice 13: recommended in a report and the LTC sort of in principle signed off on to include in the housing

[4:49:24] Voice 13: agreement is that rents across the project will on average be set at or below 30% of the before

[4:49:31] Voice 13: tax income of median income earners in the Southern Gulf Island electoral area as reported

[4:49:37] Voice 13: by Stats Canada. So that would be based on census data. So essentially what that means is when you

[4:49:42] Voice 13: add up the individual rents of each unit and take the average of that, it has to be at or below 30%

[4:49:49] Voice 13: of that median rent of southern gulf island residents um that reflects a pretty um pretty

[4:49:57] Voice 13: accepted form of affordable housing where 30 of someone's income is sort of the max that they

[4:50:04] Voice 13: should be spending on housing for it to be considered affordable in the housing agreement

[4:50:09] Voice 13: it sets out the eligibility for the units so both galliano island residents and indigenous and first

[4:50:15] Voice 13: impersonations with claims to Galliano are prioritized. So any applicants within those

[4:50:20] Voice 13: groups would be prioritized. There are going to be income limits, and we use the low and moderate

[4:50:26] Voice 13: income limits, which are set by BC Housing on a yearly basis. And if the project were to be

[4:50:33] Voice 13: funded through BC Housing, which is a possibility, applicants would have to be registered on the BC

[4:50:38] Voice 13: Housing waitlist. But beyond that, Giggers would have authority on picking the applicants within

[4:50:44] Voice 13: that pool. And I think it's worth noting that this housing agreement that's come through this process

[4:50:50] Voice 13: is sort of the minimum level of affordability that the project will achieve and that any project

[4:50:56] Voice 13: funder, BC Housing and CHC being the major ones that we would pursue, will require additional

[4:51:01] Voice 13: layers of affordability and they have different parameters and so to be funded quite likely the

[4:51:06] Voice 13: affordability will actually deepen compared to what's in the housing agreement but this is sort

[4:51:11] Voice 13: of the baseline that has to be achieved and the project through the rezoning process and through

[4:51:19] Voice 13: staff analysis seems to align with with policies on the island so the density is allowable in the

[4:51:26] Voice 13: OCP if the housing is affordable as I mentioned earlier the covenant on the land allows for the

[4:51:33] Voice 13: owner which is currently the Galeano club to subdivide the land for the purposes of affordable

[4:51:37] Voice 13: housing. And the proposed bylaws align with the Islands Trust Policy Statement Directive

[4:51:42] Voice 13: checklist, which was done by staff. It's quite a thorough process, and they recommended that it did

[4:51:48] Voice 13: align with this checklist. So now I'm going to throw it over to Al to talk about groundwater.

[4:51:56] Voice 13: After that, we'll have Carl, who's joining us by Zoom, to talk about the water management plan that

[4:52:01] Voice 13: we commissioned. And then Keith will speak to the ecological assessment and considerations,

[4:52:06] Voice 13: considerations and then I'll wrap it up um so Al maybe you can come up here because I think the

[4:52:11] Voice 13: speaker is here so make it easier very much

[4:52:31] Voice 18: Eleni and uh pleased to be here on Galeano again in a

[4:52:35] Voice 18: community meeting I attended several in the past I've been involved in groundwater studies for the

[4:52:42] Voice 18: last 45 years in um british columbia so i'm familiar with a lot of the concerns in the gulf

[4:52:51] Voice 18: islands um i'm here to speak today about the water supply for this proposed project it comes from a

[4:52:59] Voice 18: well that was drilled in september 2018 to a depth of 220 feet it is drilled um a few uh

[4:53:11] Voice 18: 10 meters or so below sea level but the major water bearing fracture in this well that supplies

[4:53:21] Voice 18: the well is almost at sea level slightly below sea level and the water level in the well is very

[4:53:28] Voice 18: close to ground surface in fact there are many several wells in this region of Galeano that are

[4:53:37] Voice 18: flowing artesian wells when they were drilled. So this well has a very high, it's called a static

[4:53:44] Voice 18: level, close to ground surface. It's not flowing currently, but it has flowed in the past when it

[4:53:52] Voice 18: was first, just after it was first drilled. So it's in a zone where the groundwater is moving

[4:53:59] Voice 18: moving upwards from, there's a pressure

[4:54:04] Voice 18: that's pushing the groundwater upwards.

[4:54:06] Voice 18: So it's a very good well.

[4:54:08] Voice 18: It was rated at six gallons a minute

[4:54:10] Voice 18: when it was first drilled.

[4:54:13] Voice 18: We tested the well in December of 2018 for 72 hours.

[4:54:20] Voice 18: And we pumped it at rates up to just five gallons a minute.

[4:54:26] Voice 18: and ultimately we rated the well at about 3.4 gallons a minute.

[4:54:36] Voice 17: So

[4:54:44] Voice 18: the long-term yield of this well is 3.41 U.S. gallons per minute,

[4:54:50] Voice 18: which translates to about 18,576 liters per day.

[4:54:56] Voice 18: Now the demand for the housing is 2.02 U.S. gallons per minute,

[4:55:05] Voice 18: so you can see that this well is certainly capable of meeting the demand of this housing project and

[4:55:12] Voice 18: it meets that demand with a very large safety factor during the pumping test we did monitor

[4:55:21] Voice 18: the closest neighboring well with the neighboring property owner and there was no measurable

[4:55:29] Voice 18: effect when we pump tested this well on the neighboring well

[4:55:37] Voice 18: the water license for this project i understand has been approved and it

[4:55:44] Voice 18: the ministry of land forest lands i forget the acronym now they keep changing these things but

[4:55:55] Voice 18: It has been approved for 11,000 liters per day, which is much less than the ultimate capacity of this well.

[4:56:11] Voice 18: Since actually last year, which was one of the driest years, it was the fall to summer, before we had the rains in the fall.

[4:56:19] Voice 18: It was a very dry summer, and we monitored the water levels from July to December, actually to January.

[4:56:31] Voice 18: And during that very dry summer, the water level in this well only dropped less than 10 centimeters.

[4:56:39] Voice 18: And that's because it's in this discharge zone where it's under pressure.

[4:56:44] Voice 18: And during the winter months, there was a dramatic increase during, we had those big storms, you remember in October, November, where we had flooding in the lower mainland, intense, we had intense rainfall.

[4:57:01] Voice 18: One of those in that well jumped up quite dramatically, several meters.

[4:57:08] Voice 18: But the interesting phenomena with this well is that it fills up during that recharge period and then it starts to decline after a period of rain.

[4:57:19] Voice 18: So in the winter we see these fluctuating water levels in this particular well with every storm event.

[4:57:27] Voice 18: You can almost track every storm event coming through in the waterway going up and then down, up and down.

[4:57:32] Voice 18: down and the well was almost flowing again it was about a meter below ground in the uh in the winter

[4:57:39] Voice 18: so that's the situation with the water supply um if there's any questions I'd be pleased to answer

[4:57:46] Voice 18: them they come up

[4:57:48] Voice 8: no we're

[4:57:54] Voice 4: going to go through all their presentation and we'll you can ask so

[4:57:57] Voice 4: So write your questions down and be prepared to ask

[4:58:01] Voice 4: them at the end.

[4:58:02] Voice 4: Thank you.

[4:58:07] Voice 13: Next we have Carl, who's going to speak about water management.

[4:58:12] Voice 13: Yeah, so Dan, do you know if we have to do anything to be able to allow?

[4:58:16] Voice 4: He has to turn his camera on.

[4:58:21] Voice 13: Are you there, Carl?

[4:58:22] Voice 1: Yeah.

[4:58:23] Voice 1: Do you have me on audio, though?

[4:58:25] Voice 1: Like, can people hear me?

[4:58:26] Voice 1: Yeah,

[4:58:26] Voice 4: we can hear you.

[4:58:28] Voice 1: Okay.

[4:58:30] Voice 1: Well, there we go.

[4:58:30] Voice 1: Yeah, so MSR Solutions, working on behalf of Geiger's, produced a water management plan.

[4:58:42] Voice 1: Some of this overlaps what Al has already discussed.

[4:58:46] Voice 1: Maximum day demand has been estimated at 11,000 liters a day, based on British Columbia standard numbers and also empirical data from the Gulf Islands.

[4:58:59] Voice 1: And now that is based on the premise of absolute maximum capacity within the Affordable Housing Society, or like within those 12 units.

[4:59:10] Voice 1: And a number of scenarios, you know, could possibly unfold and it'll probably fluctuate over time.

[4:59:17] Voice 1: But a more realistic maximum demand would be more in the range of eight cubic meters a day.

[4:59:25] Voice 1: and actually a note from the flinro groundwater approval it's permissible to have 11 cubic meters

[4:59:34] Voice 1: a day withdrawn from the well on a maximum day average annual demand is to be limited to 8.7

[4:59:41] Voice 1: and given like usually in a water you know like in domestic water your maximum day is two to two

[4:59:51] Voice 1: two and a half times your average day.

[4:59:53] Voice 1: So if our maximum day was 11 cubic meters a day,

[4:59:56] Voice 1: a typical day would be more in the range of five.

[5:00:00] Voice 1: And therefore, you know, again, the projected water usage as well within the capacity of the groundwater and also within the range of what's been permitted by FLNRO.

[5:00:14] Voice 1: Potable water treatment is anticipated to be required in keeping with Canadian drinking water quality guidelines for a public water source.

[5:00:24] Voice 1: It's a relatively clean source, but some filtration will be anticipated.

[5:00:30] Voice 1: to be determined that detailed design potable water storage of 26 cubic meters

[5:00:36] Voice 1: has been estimated as required for flow balancing and emergency storage additionally fire storage

[5:00:45] Voice 1: estimated in the range of 75 to 90 cubic meters to be verified during detailed design based on

[5:00:52] Voice 1: the actual size of the building structures irrigation and outdoor water use has been

[5:00:59] Voice 1: proposed to be provided with harvested rainwater therefore you know that that type of usage would

[5:01:08] Voice 1: not impact the groundwater aquifer harvested rainwater for outdoor water use also of note

[5:01:17] Voice 1: a stormwater management plan is required to ensure post-development runoff equates to

[5:01:22] Voice 1: pre-development conditions this is pretty standard for any subdivision and would unfold you know

[5:01:28] Voice 1: through the process of approvals through moti thanks

[5:01:34] Voice 13: carl so keith if you could come up and

[5:01:38] Voice 13: just speak to the ecological assessment hello

[5:01:57] Voice 17: everybody i'm keith erickson

[5:01:58] Voice 4: professional

[5:02:01] Voice 4: biologist and resident of the island

[5:02:03] Voice 17: i am quite familiar with this property i've been

[5:02:11] Voice 17: working within various capacities

[5:02:13] Voice 4: since since it was transferred to the galleon club

[5:02:16] Voice 4: club,

[5:02:17] Voice 17: so I have quite a good familiarity with it. In this study, I was asked to complete

[5:02:25] Voice 17: the ecological

[5:02:26] Voice 11: assessment focused on the 7.5 hectare area that's designated in the community

[5:02:33] Voice 11: forest management plan as having potential for

[5:02:36] Voice 17: affordable housing development. That was

[5:02:39] Voice 17: back in the fall of 2020. The scope of

[5:02:43] Voice 11: the work included documenting the ecological condition

[5:02:46] Voice 11: conditions and the values found within that 7.5 hectare zone.

[5:02:52] Voice 11: So I did

[5:02:52] Voice 18: an inventory and mapping and description based on site visits

[5:02:58] Voice 18: on November 18th and 19th in 2020.

[5:03:01] Voice 18: I reviewed all the historical aerial

[5:03:04] Voice 4: photography, pre-existing ecological

[5:03:07] Voice 4: mapping and data, species at risk data and any other relevant information I could collect.

[5:03:15] Voice 11: I was also asked to provide recommendations for how to minimize and mitigate ecological impacts associated with the development of an affordable housing lot,

[5:03:27] Voice 11: including an analysis of the suitability of the proposed location

[5:03:32] Voice 18: for that lot, which was denoted as lot B, two hectare parcel lot B, which you

[5:03:39] Voice 11: saw earlier in the presentation.

[5:03:41] Voice 11: So I'll give you a quick overview of what I found, and then a very brief summary of

[5:03:51] Voice 17: the recommendations that I made.

[5:03:54] Voice 18: So

[5:03:54] Voice 17: there's three primary ecosystems, ecological communities that I found there.

[5:04:01] Voice 17: The first was a 20-year-old regenerating Douglas fir, salal forest, sort of typical forest

[5:04:08] Voice 17: for the island with a dense monoculture

[5:04:11] Voice 4: canopy and growing on a well-drained and relatively

[5:04:15] Voice 4: shallow soiled site that is represented by the yellow the pale yellow it's the big area

[5:04:24] Voice 4: labeled 01 on that map and extends up beyond the boundary of the zone that was being looked at

[5:04:34] Voice 17: Also, just to note within this area,

[5:04:38] Voice 18: there were a few remnant old veteran Douglas fir trees and a few large diameter Arbutus trees that were identified and mapped.

[5:04:48] Voice 18: And they're represented by the green, the firs as the green dots and the Arbutus as the red

[5:04:54] Voice 17: dots on that map.

[5:04:57] Voice 18: So that was something to note.

[5:05:01] Voice 11: the second community that i found was a 65 year old version of that same type douglas first salal

[5:05:09] Voice 17: and of note in that slightly older community it's represented by the pale green o2a and o2b

[5:05:20] Voice 17: and o2c was o2c which is the olive green bit kind of in the middle there

[5:05:28] Voice 17: that had a bit more of a mature forest characteristic it had a higher density of those

[5:05:34] Voice 17: veteran large diameter trees

[5:05:36] Voice 4: than the rest of the area that I looked

[5:05:39] Voice 4: at and it gave it kind of more

[5:05:40] Voice 4: of a mature flavor so I thought that that was of higher value ecological value the third ecosystem

[5:05:50] Voice 4: system type was um

[5:05:52] Voice 11: located at the toe of the slope where the soils are slightly moister and richer

[5:05:58] Voice 18: uh than the than the communities i just discussed um and where the tree canopy and and understory

[5:06:05] Voice 18: vegetation show higher levels of species and structural diversity um there's a variety of

[5:06:10] Voice 18: different species alder stands and such growing there um

[5:06:14] Voice 4: and and more layering of vegetation

[5:06:16] Voice 4: that's happening. And those areas

[5:06:18] Voice 4: were valued

[5:06:20] Voice 17: slightly higher for potential wildlife habitat.

[5:06:26] Voice 17: Okay. And so moving on. So that's sort of a brief description of what was there. Based on that

[5:06:36] Voice 17: inventory, I made some recommendations about how the

[5:06:39] Voice 4: lot could be sited effectively to

[5:06:42] Voice 4: to um minimize the impact on the ecology

[5:06:46] Voice 17: um and and i found and then i sort of did an analysis of

[5:06:50] Voice 17: the proposed lot which you can see in the bottom right corner is that is outlined um and i found

[5:06:57] Voice 17: that the location the lot was was uh designated for was actually quite good it minimized the

[5:07:04] Voice 4: impacts and so it was mainly uh situated within the uh young douglas first salals or typical

[5:07:13] Voice 17: galliano ecosystem with the least amount of diversity on site

[5:07:17] Voice 17: it was located adjacent to existing residential areas and development

[5:07:23] Voice 17: it

[5:07:24] Voice 4: are the configuration protects those higher value ecological attributes such as the

[5:07:34] Voice 18: o2c there you know with a mature forest character and the moisture more diverse ecosystems at the

[5:07:41] Voice 18: total slope um and um and yeah and so it was i found that the location was quite favorable

[5:07:50] Voice 18: i also made some recommendations

[5:07:51] Voice 17: in the report um uh to help guide the development of the proposed

[5:07:59] Voice 17: lot. And those

[5:08:01] Voice 18: included things like establishing

[5:08:04] Voice 4: protection and critical protection for the

[5:08:09] Voice 4: large,

[5:08:10] Voice 17: older trees, including critical rooting zones so that those trees remain healthy on

[5:08:18] Voice 17: the site. Also,

[5:08:19] Voice 4: maintaining as much natural vegetation and as many natural attributes

[5:08:25] Voice 4: for structures like horse woody debris as possible

[5:08:29] Voice 4: outside of the actual footprint of the development itself.

[5:08:33] Voice 4: And then thirdly, things like

[5:08:35] Voice 17: ensuring that runoff

[5:08:37] Voice 17: from the interminable services and art services

[5:08:41] Voice 17: that are created are put back into the groundwater

[5:08:45] Voice 17: through things like bioswales and such.

[5:08:49] Voice 17: And so that's the basic summary of my work.

[5:08:57] Voice 8: I

[5:09:05] Voice 13: will also just note, it's not included in the slides but we also had an arborist report

[5:09:10] Voice 13: complete a tree management plan earlier this year, and arborist went to the site and did

[5:09:15] Voice 13: a more thorough evaluation of the trees within the

[5:09:18] Voice 1: buildable area that

[5:09:19] Voice 13: Keith had set out

[5:09:20] Voice 13: and provided recommendations for how to protect the healthier trees and which trees should

[5:09:26] Voice 13: be removed and those recommendations were included in the section 219 covenant as well

[5:09:34] Voice 13: so you can see a lot of work has been done on this project but unfortunately this is not

[5:09:39] Voice 13: anywhere close to the final step i wish it was we have lots of work ahead of us still

[5:09:43] Voice 13: and i thought people would probably be interested in how the process proceeds beyond the islands

[5:09:48] Voice 13: trust so assuming this project is approved for the rezoning and the ocp amendment um as planner

[5:09:54] Voice 13: As Senator Smith mentioned, the next step is to continue with the subdivision application, which is through MOTI, the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.

[5:10:02] Voice 13: I'll also note that one of the requirements for subdivision is to have a fully fleshed out septic design. Some folks may have noted that's not in the presentation, either.

[5:10:12] Voice 13: We have sort of a general feasibility report for the site, but the detailed design based on the development will be done through the subdivision process.

[5:10:20] Voice 13: In parallel to this, once the rezoning is approved, then we can really start looking at project funding and applying for those larger buckets of money.

[5:10:31] Voice 13: BC Housing, it's hard to say when they're going to release the next funding call. They don't like to release too much information ahead of time.

[5:10:38] Voice 13: Could be next year. CMHC has rolling intake for their co-investment program, which is viable for this project.

[5:10:46] Voice 13: So we'll be digging down and looking at which funding streams we can apply for after this

[5:10:50] Voice 13: and ideally securing project funding. Sort of through subdivision and afterwards once we've

[5:10:57] Voice 13: secured funding we'd be going through detailed design. So we would have an architect as well

[5:11:01] Voice 13: as additional engineers doing those detailed building drawings which would be used to apply

[5:11:08] Voice 13: for a building permit which is through the CRD, it's the Capital Regional District's jurisdiction.

[5:11:13] Voice 13: at that point we'd be finalizing any funding agreements with whatever funding we had been

[5:11:19] Voice 13: successful with and construction would start construction it depends on the mode of

[5:11:29] Voice 13: construction will depend on the type of construction that we do modular is being

[5:11:34] Voice 13: considered in which case most of the work would happen in a factory and the actual work on site

[5:11:39] Voice 13: would be a lot shorter but if it was traditional stick frame it could be anywhere from 12 to 18

[5:11:43] Voice 13: 18 months on site and then there would be beautiful new affordable housing so that's it for the

[5:11:52] Voice 13: presentation wanted to make sure there's lots of time for questions so I'll hand it back to Dan

[5:11:57] Voice 13: to moderate you

[5:11:59] Voice 4: know what if you guys want to stay here and Brad's there I'll just stand I've

[5:12:04] Voice 4: been sitting all day and so just before we start I just want to remind you this as I said this is

[5:12:11] Voice 4: this is a time for questions if your information not time for you necessarily express your opinion

[5:12:18] Voice 4: so don't people are very smart don't disguise your point of view in a question and because

[5:12:26] Voice 4: i'll recognize that and so please ask your questions and it would be very helpful and

[5:12:34] Voice 4: of course everybody will be respectful and appropriate in your questions i'm sure but so

[5:12:39] Voice 4: So please, and maybe if you can,

[5:12:41] Voice 4: it doesn't mean they'll be the only one to answer.

[5:12:43] Voice 4: Maybe you can indicate who it is

[5:12:45] Voice 4: you're asking the questions of as well,

[5:12:47] Voice 4: whether it be Mr. Kohat or Keith Erickson

[5:12:51] Voice 4: or the applicant or even Brad Smith

[5:12:56] Voice 4: or we have William Schulte here as well.

[5:12:59] Voice 4: So you may have a question for one of them

[5:13:01] Voice 1: or it might

[5:13:02] Voice 4: be for a trustee,

[5:13:03] Voice 4: although we're not the experts in this,

[5:13:05] Voice 4: and that's no remark.

[5:13:05] Voice 4: Mark. So I'm just, I'm literally just going to open the floor and sort of look around and see

[5:13:10] Voice 4: if that's much. And although I saw, I saw Carmina, you were wanting to ask a question early, so maybe

[5:13:15] Voice 4: we can start with you. I'm

[5:13:18] Voice 14: sorry, just can we maximize the camera now? And maybe sure.

[5:13:24] Voice 14: Amos is

[5:13:24] Voice 4: the expert. I

[5:13:26] Voice 10: think it's this computer you

[5:13:27] Voice 4: want to be on. Oh, no, I guess not. So why

[5:13:32] Voice 4: Manuela, you had your hand up earlier, so do you want to start the question?

[5:13:38] Voice 7: And who is it for?

[5:13:41] Voice 7: Lisa, for the president.

[5:13:43] Voice 7: Lisa, in the short LTC meeting, I asked a question to both Dan Rocher, the chair Rocher, and Justin Rockefeller.

[5:13:54] Voice 7: And I will ask you the same question, that to the best of your knowledge, will you guarantee

[5:14:03] Voice 7: in this house that we have, that there will be deep subsidy units in the DGARs project?

[5:14:12] Voice 8: You have to define deep subsidy, I'm getting out of it, because I think we have a different

[5:14:18] Voice 8: question.

[5:14:19] Voice 8: The

[5:14:20] Voice 4: question was, she wanted you to define what deep subsidy meant.

[5:14:24] Voice 4: Deep

[5:14:25] Voice 7: subsidy units are the ones that are classified by basic housing for people with an income

[5:14:32] Voice 7: less than say 19,000 that they are in fixed income like seniors with all age security,

[5:14:46] Voice 7: people with disability, people with social assistance.

[5:14:51] Voice 7: people of social assistance uh thank you thank you for the question

[5:14:54] Voice 13: i understand now i've um it

[5:14:57] Voice 13: depends i mean the easy answer is if we go with bc funding then yes but if we go with a different

[5:15:01] Voice 13: funder a deep subsidy will be defined by something

[5:15:04] Voice 9: else um

[5:15:06] Voice 7: i guess you want to know i want to know

[5:15:08] Voice 7: if they can be guaranteed if they are

[5:15:12] Voice 13: guaranteed yeah so the housing agreement does not guarantee

[5:15:17] Voice 13: TIDA. The affordability in the housing agreement is just an average of the rents targeting median

[5:15:22] Voice 13: income earners, essentially. But it is GIGR's intent to provide housing for a diverse range

[5:15:28] Voice 13: of people, including people who would require deep subsidy units. But it can be really difficult

[5:15:34] Voice 13: to provide those units without large government inputs. So as Lisa mentioned, easy housing,

[5:15:40] Voice 13: if we were successful, they have a very rigid rental structure, which includes 20% of the units

[5:15:46] Voice 13: being the subsidy. So in that case, yes, there would be those units. If BC Housing was not

[5:15:51] Voice 13: successful, it would really depend on the other funding that we receive, the size of the mortgage

[5:15:56] Voice 13: and just the financial sustainability of the project. But it is Giger's intent to provide

[5:16:01] Voice 13: a range of units at a range of rental prices to meet the needs of both those really low-income

[5:16:06] Voice 13: earners as well as closer to the median income earners.

[5:16:09] Voice 7: May I ask another question? It's about

[5:16:12] Voice 7: the same thing okay it's about the housing agreement well

[5:16:17] Voice 4: we'll come back around to let's

[5:16:18] Voice 4: see if other people have other questions and we'll get we'll come

[5:16:20] Voice 4: around uh who else would

[5:16:22] Voice 4: have a question right now just

[5:16:23] Voice 12: for the benefit of people who are online maybe it might be

[5:16:26] Voice 3: necessary for people to actually step up to the mic because i don't think that someone would hear

[5:16:32] Voice 3: if

[5:16:33] Voice 4: they're not so yeah i mean it's a very good mic and you don't need to be in front of it but

[5:16:38] Voice 4: still if you're not if you don't have a loud voice like some people that

[5:16:43] Voice 10: you may not be heard

[5:16:44] Voice 4: so fair enough so thank you um we do have one online question i can ask if nobody else is

[5:16:50] Voice 4: ready to answer a question ask your question oh okay well we'll start with you

[5:16:54] Voice 3: yeah it's right

[5:16:57] Voice 3: here

[5:16:57] Voice 4: it's in it's inside the camera so you don't

[5:17:00] Voice 3: need to you don't need to get real close to it

[5:17:09] Voice 17: I just got a question about the location like on the map it goes down Georgia View

[5:17:13] Voice 17: road

[5:17:14] Voice 15: and that's not a real road right are you going to be building a road?

[5:17:17] Voice 9: Yes. And does the

[5:17:18] Voice 15: road go through stick to stick to Allison or does it go the other way?

[5:17:22] Voice 13: I'm sorry I'm not.

[5:17:23] Voice 13: I believe that

[5:17:24] Voice 13: it's just beyond the extent of the current road so through the subdivision

[5:17:30] Voice 13: application we're going to be required to extend the road to our site so it'll be a gravel road

[5:17:35] Voice 13: extended to the house and

[5:17:37] Voice 4: i think planner smith would like to answer

[5:17:39] Voice 15: the previous rezoning of

[5:17:41] Voice 15: that when the heritage course was created that whole uh corridor through uh the extension of

[5:17:48] Voice 15: georgia is designated highway oh it is so it

[5:17:51] Voice 14: is a designated provincial highway just hasn't been

[5:17:53] Voice 14: developed yet

[5:17:54] Voice 17: okay so you probably have to widen it yeah

[5:17:56] Voice 14: so there there is an engineering there's

[5:17:58] Voice 14: engineering drawings in their in their plans so they will be required

[5:18:01] Voice 15: to widen it to highway

[5:18:03] Voice 15: standard but the the road the corridor itself is already a designated provincial life okay and then

[5:18:10] Voice 15: the people would go to the where the units are and then they'd go down georgia view they wouldn't go

[5:18:15] Voice 15: around

[5:18:15] Voice 5: six

[5:18:16] Voice 15: thousand i think there's a gate

[5:18:18] Voice 5: there they would

[5:18:18] Voice 14: just terminus at that point but beyond

[5:18:21] Voice 14: the terminus right up to the next adjacent block which is the stevens property that is designated

[5:18:28] Voice 4: Okay, thank you very much.

[5:18:32] Voice 4: Okay, go ahead.

[5:18:37] Voice 3: This project is not currently

[5:18:41] Voice 6: on a development practice,

[5:18:44] Voice 9: at least half a

[5:18:45] Voice 6: kilometer down what is essentially your trail.

[5:18:49] Voice 9: it

[5:18:50] Voice 6: also isn't adjacent to hydro or telecommunication services those are things that are actually

[5:18:59] Voice 6: mentioned in the ocp as a criteria for um these don't need to require the access for affordable

[5:19:07] housing it has been um often mentioned that this is

[5:19:14] but i'm just wondering what estimate what cost estimates

[5:19:19] both

[5:19:20] Voice 6: for road development an extensive piece of road development which will require

[5:19:26] Voice 6: halberds and various things to manage flooding in there and the cost of

[5:19:47] Voice 4: Okay, so your question is, are there cost estimates for that work that we were talking

[5:19:51] Voice 4: about a little bit earlier?

[5:19:53] Voice 4: I don't know if you can describe it.

[5:19:54] Voice 13: Well, over the last couple of years, the inflation, I'm not sure what the cost is right now.

[5:19:58] Voice 8: Yeah, I

[5:19:58] Voice 8: think Colleen has probably the best numbers.

[5:20:00] Voice 13: yeah

[5:20:01] Voice 8: so our society has done a lot of costing out and we have pro formas but has you know this

[5:20:08] Voice 8: question has come forward last year several times and as we've had we have explained to the LTC that

[5:20:16] Voice 8: our business information is proprietary information and when we have had conversations

[5:20:22] Voice 8: conversations with the funders. So CMHC has funded us, then Citi. We have shared our cost

[5:20:30] Voice 8: estimates to them. So those are internal numbers. And we are working with, of course, Wiser

[5:20:38] Voice 8: Projects. So they have done a lot of costing out. And it is part of our business planning

[5:20:45] Voice 8: and our business information. But whether or not that is something that is out there

[5:20:51] Voice 8: for public consumption yes it's proprietary information so

[5:21:00] Voice 4: um i do have a question here from

[5:21:05] Voice 4: if i can find it from um holly schofield which question is where do we have more than one

[5:21:14] Voice 4: oh

[5:21:14] Voice 15: there's the one

[5:21:15] Voice 4: um since the housing agreement lumps low and moderate income limits together

[5:21:23] Voice 1: or

[5:21:23] Voice 4: how will you ensure that this housing will be rented

[5:21:27] Voice 4: to people who actually have low incomes

[5:21:29] Voice 4: as required by the property covenant?

[5:21:31] Voice 4: Can this be more clearly stated in the housing agreement?

[5:21:36] Voice 4: Similar question to what Maynard asked,

[5:21:39] Voice 4: but did you want to answer that again?

[5:21:42] Voice 4: Or maybe it asks a slightly different question,

[5:21:46] Voice 4: which is how can we be sure that the housing will be rented

[5:21:50] Voice 4: to people who actually have low incomes,

[5:21:52] Voice 4: comes whatever however you define that as required by the property covenant is that right um

[5:21:57] Voice 13: i think

[5:21:58] Voice 13: what i would add to the what we had spoken about earlier um i i don't have the covenant wording in

[5:22:04] Voice 13: front of me but while the housing agreement is one layer of protection and one layer of assurance of

[5:22:11] Voice 13: affordability diggers also will have an operational plan for their for tenant selection um and for

[5:22:17] Voice 13: their operations and as i mentioned earlier they do intend to rent to low income earners

[5:22:22] Voice 13: but what they'll have to do on an ongoing basis is evaluate um what their financial need is

[5:22:29] Voice 13: in the balance of the rent um to decide on an individual case-by-case basis for the units

[5:22:35] Voice 13: whether it's going to be a lower income earner

[5:22:37] Voice 6: or a median

[5:22:38] Voice 13: income earner um and again it'll be

[5:22:40] Voice 13: highly dependent on the funding that's received because as i

[5:22:43] Voice 13: mentioned bc housing you have to

[5:22:45] Voice 1: follow

[5:22:45] Voice 13: their rental structure, which prescribes the deep subsidy, the rent geared to income and

[5:22:51] Voice 13: the affordable market units. But with

[5:22:53] Voice 1: any other funding,

[5:22:54] Voice 13: it may be more at the discretion of

[5:22:56] Voice 13: giggers. I'll also mention, just so folks are aware, CMHC is very likely to be a funder in

[5:23:02] Voice 13: one capacity or another, because you can layer it with other funding opportunities.

[5:23:07] Voice 13: And their affordability minimum, their target that you have to meet, is based on median market

[5:23:13] Voice 13: rents. And unfortunately, they don't have much data for the Southern Gulf Islands because there's

[5:23:18] Voice 13: not a lot of rental housing here. So it's based on Victoria numbers, but at least 30% of the units

[5:23:24] Voice 13: have to be rented at 80% or less of the median market rent for that unit type. So just as an

[5:23:31] Voice 13: example, say a one bedroom, the median market rent is $1,000. 30% of the units, the one bedroom

[5:23:37] Voice 13: units would have to be $800 or less. On top of that, the average of the unit, the rents across

[5:23:44] Voice 13: the units has to be 80% of the MMR or less. So they

[5:23:49] Voice 5: have a calculation that you

[5:23:49] Voice 13: do need to apply,

[5:23:50] Voice 13: but once you do that averaging, it also has to come out at 80% or less. And so again, that deepens

[5:23:57] Voice 13: the level of affordability that's laid out in the housing agreement. And as I mentioned, CMHC is

[5:24:03] Voice 13: very likely to be a funder um whoever else comes

[5:24:06] Voice 13: to the table so that'll add a deeper level and

[5:24:09] Voice 13: will likely provide more housing for a lower rate

[5:24:12] Voice 8: colleen i would also like to add and maybe this

[5:24:15] Voice 8: also gets to holly's question is that if pc housing were to be a funder they do income testing

[5:24:22] Voice 8: at the time of application so that would get to the heart of i think what you're asking

[5:24:30] Voice 4: and i know that planter smith would like to address this issue but i

[5:24:34] Voice 15: would also put that

[5:24:35] Voice 15: the term low low to moderate income is a defined term by bc housing and so it's used to set the

[5:24:42] Voice 15: maximum income that a household can earn to be eligible to rent in the unit so uh it is uh it

[5:24:49] Voice 15: is published each year by bc housing those low to moderate incomes for different unit types

[5:24:57] Voice 4: okay yes i'm seeing a question back there i'm sorry i don't know that it's okay

[5:25:02] Voice 6: my question

[5:25:06] Voice 3: is for lisa for the leaders board so you guys mentioned that you set some targets

[5:25:13] Voice 3: around who's going to

[5:25:14] Voice 5: be wrenching in this building when it's in place and i wonder if

[5:25:19] Voice 5: you could just say a little bit more about that because it's

[5:25:21] Voice 3: interesting oh

[5:25:23] Voice 10: um residents

[5:25:26] Voice 9: we're in our health agreement we're prioritizing First Nations and Indigenous in Galliano.

[5:25:33] Voice 13: I'll also add that should there not be enough

[5:25:37] Voice 13: applicants that meet that criteria there's sort

[5:25:40] Voice 13: of layered criteria so the other things that could make you eligible to live there would be

[5:25:45] Voice 13: that you're from Galliano and moved away within the last several years like I think it's two or

[5:25:49] Voice 13: three years in the housing agreement or you have close like immediate family on Galliano and you're

[5:25:56] Voice 13: working at least part-time um so there's a few layers but the goal would be to have people who

[5:26:01] Voice 13: currently live on galliano moving into these units

[5:26:03] Voice 8: and there will also be a management committee a

[5:26:07] Voice 8: housing management committee is what we envision setting up that will be tasked solely with that

[5:26:14] Voice 8: selection and orienting people you know to all the living arrangements

[5:26:31] Voice 3: I would just like to understand a little bit more about the water situation is it based

[5:26:43] Voice 3: on a per person usage on average or is it based on a per unit usage I appreciate it

[5:26:51] Voice 3: doesn't include irrigation and you know sort of outside watering but you just walk us through a

[5:26:57] Voice 3: little bit about what the estimate is based on please thank you yeah i

[5:27:02] Voice 5: guess maybe

[5:27:04] Voice 4: maybe i'm

[5:27:05] Voice 4: sorry al but it'd probably be easier if you came up here so we can hear your voice maybe you can

[5:27:09] Voice 4: sit here for a minute and

[5:27:11] Voice 5: we also have carl here who might be able to ask

[5:27:14] Voice 4: right because he's he

[5:27:15] Voice 4: he developed the water management model?

[5:27:18] Voice 18: Yeah.

[5:27:20] Voice 18: Actually, when I did the original report on the water supply system,

[5:27:25] Voice 18: I needed to estimate the water demand.

[5:27:28] Voice 18: And I used figures that were based on per capita estimates and units,

[5:27:40] Voice 18: which were given to me by Giggers.

[5:27:43] Voice 18: Now, since then, a water management plan has been done by Carl with MSR Solutions.

[5:27:50] Voice 18: So he's really the expert on the water demand issue now, because he's looked at this in the context of the water management plan,

[5:28:01] Voice 18: whereas I looked at it initially as a feasibility of whether the well could meet the anticipated demand.

[5:28:09] Voice 18: So I'll let Carl maybe answer that question.

[5:28:11] Voice 18: Carl, can you step over? There you are.

[5:28:13] Voice 18: yeah

[5:28:14] Voice 1: um yeah people can hear me um if i'm looking sideways it's because i have the report up on a

[5:28:19] Voice 1: different screen and looking at it yeah it is actually based on um a population like an assumed

[5:28:25] Voice 1: population and um so there's a couple different sources of water data um but um al had um estimated

[5:28:38] Voice 1: 182 liters per capita per day based on empirical data from a very similar development on main

[5:28:46] Voice 1: island which is considered analogous to you know a typical gulf island context and we considered

[5:28:53] Voice 1: populations ranging from 35 to 48 i think i had mentioned that earlier 48 being like

[5:29:00] Voice 1: Like if literally everything is full capacity and that was where the 11,000 liters a day

[5:29:08] Voice 1: came from, it was like peak day and absolutely full capacity.

[5:29:13] Voice 1: And the more realistic population in consultation with Giggers was something more in the area

[5:29:19] Voice 1: of 35 would be a likely population.

[5:29:23] Voice 1: And that's where 8,050 liters per day came from.

[5:29:28] Voice 1: that's also based on actually a higher flow estimate.

[5:29:32] Voice 1: I should mention that as well.

[5:29:35] Voice 1: There's sort of a BC rural residential generic document

[5:29:41] Voice 1: that lists people at 230 liters a day.

[5:29:45] Voice 1: And as I had mentioned,

[5:29:46] Voice 1: the empirical data from Gulf Islands was 182

[5:29:50] Voice 1: that ALA had determined from a similar project.

[5:29:53] Voice 1: And as we all know, on the Gulf Islands,

[5:29:55] Voice 1: there is a bit more water conservation

[5:29:57] Voice 1: sort of inherent in the culture and

[5:30:00] Voice 1: sort of a knowledge of the limitations of water and then also I think some of that gap between

[5:30:07] Voice 1: 230 liters and 180 liters can also be attributable to using rainwater harvesting for outdoor demand

[5:30:16] Voice 1: and for outdoor uses okay thank you

[5:30:22] Voice 4: did that yes okay who is next yes go ahead

[5:30:27] Voice 8: yeah go ahead

[5:30:31] Voice 8: I

[5:30:32] Voice 4: can't, I can't hear you.

[5:30:34] Voice 8: For

[5:30:36] Voice 7: the water, you say that the number of water use,

[5:30:44] Voice 7: they look at main islands.

[5:30:47] Voice 7: And I would like

[5:30:49] Voice 7: to know why when they are the

[5:30:51] Voice 7: Stigalis of water system that is monitored by the CID

[5:30:57] Voice 1: and

[5:30:57] Voice 7: that every year how much water is used because it's limited.

[5:31:01] Voice 7: Why they did not use to compare with the Stigallis water system?

[5:31:08] Voice 4: Did you understand the question, Carl?

[5:31:10] Voice 1: Not fully.

[5:31:12] Voice 4: There's a water

[5:31:13] Voice 4: system relatively in the same vicinity as,

[5:31:18] Voice 4: the same general vicinity as this particular post-development,

[5:31:22] Voice 4: uh and the question was asked uh and a water a cru water system with what whether you whether

[5:31:29] Voice 4: you use that as a comparison related to water use i will say those are all single family homes

[5:31:37] Voice 4: on acreages as opposed to a denser development but i don't know that that's the answer

[5:31:43] Voice 4: and but i'm just saying that for carl's purposes because he may not know that

[5:31:48] Voice 1: well in as a short

[5:31:50] Voice 1: Short answer, no. We based it on CRD values, rural residential values, and then the empirical data

[5:31:59] Voice 1: from an equivalent scenario on a Gulf Island. And there's always more stones that you can turn over.

[5:32:09] Voice 1: But I, you know, like when you're doing a study like this, you know, like how many columns can

[5:32:16] Voice 1: can you have in your chart kind of thing and as was mentioned it might be a little bit of a

[5:32:20] Voice 1: different scenario when you're talking about um metered uh water usage at something like a farm

[5:32:27] Voice 1: where irrigation can be on a completely different category than than the you know whereas here

[5:32:33] Voice 1: there's no irrigation at all and we may be going down a rabbit hole with comparing you know like

[5:32:40] Voice 1: like very different scenarios right okay

[5:32:44] Voice 7: i can say that i compare main island the one that was

[5:32:50] Voice 7: actually water and we speak that is on water system because it's so close they're a good

[5:32:58] Voice 4: lesson then aren't they

[5:32:59] Voice 8: okay

[5:33:01] Voice 4: so um questions yes go ahead

[5:33:05] Voice 4: Yeah, just to continue with the water, because that is a very serious concern for

[5:33:13] Voice 9: the neighborhood in the adjacent area.

[5:33:16] Voice 9: And I know many people here are using this up on again, but I'm going to ask for your patience.

[5:33:24] Voice 6: the trust policy statement directive on freshwater resources which

[5:33:29] Voice 6: some people here might not be familiar with does state that

[5:33:39] Voice 9: it must address measures that ensure neither the density nor intensity of land use is increased

[5:33:47] Voice 9: in areas which are known to have

[5:33:50] Voice 6: a problem with the quality or quantity of the supply of fresh

[5:33:54] Voice 6: water water quality is maintained and the existing anticipated and seasonal demand for water are

[5:34:04] Voice 6: considered and

[5:34:04] Voice 9: allowed for and i would like to ask the three water gentlemen we have with us today

[5:34:11] Voice 9: um i would like to ask

[5:34:14] Voice 6: if in any of the assessments that they did on water

[5:34:18] Voice 6: were reported already occurring water problems in the neighborhood considered and factored into the

[5:34:28] Voice 6: assessment and was anticipated to now factored in and anticipated to now that I understand to be

[5:34:40] Voice 9: the already

[5:34:41] Voice 9: going for a build out which may not have yet occurred in that area and in fact the strata

[5:34:49] Voice 6: which is directly below this development is only 33 one-third built out the neighborhood

[5:34:59] Voice 6: the adjacent neighborhood is only about 50 percent built out so i would like to ask um

[5:35:04] Voice 6: William Shulgut and Mr. Shulgut and Carl,

[5:35:08] Voice 6: if you can respond to that.

[5:35:11] Voice 6: If those things were taken into account

[5:35:14] Voice 6: in

[5:35:15] Voice 9: the assessment of available water.

[5:35:18] Voice 4: Okay, so the two questions you have is,

[5:35:20] Voice 4: did they take into account the reported water concerns

[5:35:25] Voice 4: of the people that are across the road and downhill

[5:35:28] Voice 4: in the neighborhood down there,

[5:35:30] Voice 4: and whether or not the build-out,

[5:35:32] Voice 4: the potential build-out in the area

[5:35:34] Voice 4: was taken into account um i guess i'll ask them from a technical point of view mr schiller do you

[5:35:40] Voice 4: want to address that or do you have anything you'd like to say um

[5:35:44] Voice 15: sure i

[5:35:45] Voice 4: will um so i think you have

[5:35:49] Voice 4: two questions um one is relating to the adjudication of a groundwater license

[5:35:56] Voice 4: and um the groundwater license is a new use and so it's looking at the first in time person right

[5:36:05] Voice 4: So when the administrative force now, when the water authorizations team adjudicated the groundwater license, they addressed all the existing users in the area.

[5:36:22] Voice 4: So that's the existing groundwater licenses that apply to the existing users, as well as the registered domestic wells.

[5:36:36] so

[5:36:37] Voice 4: in there should not be a lot of the exception of forestry locks that are developed in that area

[5:36:47] Voice 4: that doesn't already have a registered groundwater well there needs to be water for every lot

[5:36:56] Voice 17: except for if there's a dwelling and so when when the province was doing their own internal analysis

[5:37:06] this they

[5:37:07] Voice 4: very well they likely went through a water balance assessment and addressed and

[5:37:15] i wouldn't say it's anticipated use it's licensed so those if there's a license used or if there's

[5:37:25] a domestic well that was registered let's say that property has not been built on yet

[5:37:31] that well would still have been used in that adjudication so that would be anticipated use

[5:37:37] Are they

[5:37:38] Voice 4: anticipating build-out of, like, subdivision potential?

[5:37:43] No, because that's future use, and technically speaking,

[5:37:49] if all this development got their ground-water license,

[5:37:54] so they would be first in time compared to new domestic

[5:37:59] Voice 4: subdivisions.

[5:38:03] Voice 4: So I hope that answers your question.

[5:38:05] Voice 4: if the existing users were addressed in this area to speak?

[5:38:12] Voice 9: No, it's not existing users that I'm asking about.

[5:38:15] Voice 9: It's properties that can be dealt on in the future,

[5:38:19] Voice 9: either in the case of any of the properties,

[5:38:23] Voice 9: both on house and college, and maybe nothing there.

[5:38:27] Voice 9: In many cases, there is nothing there, yeah.

[5:38:29] Voice 4: I think I answered that.

[5:38:31] Voice 4: If there's a registered well, then that's what I'm saying.

[5:38:34] Voice 9: because they're domestic domestic that's

[5:38:37] Voice 4: a registered domestic well the wells should be

[5:38:42] Voice 4: registered and if they're not if anyone in the room has a domestic well that's not registered

[5:38:47] Voice 4: and they're willing to come forward and register that they will not be considered

[5:38:51] Voice 17: during those adjudications because they're unknown to the province whenever they do um

[5:38:57] to to speak to your question more broadly

[5:39:02] Voice 4: about the policy statement because that's what you were

[5:39:05] Voice 4: speaking to and the the very important piece of information in that policy statement is measures

[5:39:13] Voice 4: and so there are many measures that staff encourage the ltc to ask to happen to

[5:39:23] Voice 4: to uh undertake and that's the large management crime which we have um there is additional work

[5:39:30] pass to mr kohut with respect to water also there are measures to look at the flow from each

[5:39:42] Voice 4: groundwater well so the actual water use and then each unit will have a water flow meter

[5:39:51] as well as the groundwater well will have ongoing water level

[5:39:57] Voice 17: monitoring and that's in the section

[5:40:00] Voice 17: she might have dropped it yeah

[5:40:02] Voice 9: so

[5:40:04] Voice 17: that's those are the measures to um ensure that this um that this

[5:40:12] Voice 17: change in intensity that's an area we might have a significant impact on on on the operation of

[5:40:22] this particular water source and from the work that has been undertaken by the hydrogeologists

[5:40:28] just their likelihood of

[5:40:32] Voice 17: low impact to adjacent waterways.

[5:40:35] Voice 17: Also, the provincial waterways.

[5:40:40] Where we have already heard a lot of problems.

[5:40:51] Voice 4: There's been a lot of investigation of this groundwater well,

[5:40:57] Voice 4: a third-party assessment of methods,

[5:40:59] Voice 4: and the conclusions have shown that the operation of this particular well,

[5:41:10] that's

[5:41:13] Voice 4: management practice, will not have adverse impacts.

[5:41:16] Voice 4: impacts whether or not there's water challenges in the region their barrel might be um the domestic

[5:41:25] Voice 4: groundwater users in the area that's what we're speaking to um under

[5:41:32] Voice 17: their own

[5:41:33] Voice 6: and and did the

[5:41:39] Voice 6: um your report in groundwater sustainability study that identified this area's high vulnerability

[5:41:53] Voice 3: So

[5:41:53] Voice 17: the study

[5:41:56] Voice 4: did not identify the areas highly vulnerable to contamination.

[5:42:00] Voice 4: There is vulnerability to saltwater intrusion that has been mapped by the province and generally

[5:42:06] Voice 4: speaking the water budget study that was undertaken by GW Solutions has shown this area to have

[5:42:14] a vulnerability compared to the amount of users in the area compared to the recharge

[5:42:21] and indeed that has now signaled staff to

[5:42:24] Voice 4: encourage the ltc to consider these measures and

[5:42:30] Voice 4: they have and that has been placed on the applicant and included in the section

[5:42:38] It's the map that you showed at one of the resorts in the area that that particular neighborhood

[5:42:47] had

[5:42:49] Voice 4: a vulnerability.

[5:42:51] Voice 4: The neighborhood?

[5:42:51] Voice 4: Yeah, the groundwater region, we call it, there's 18 of them or so on Galliano Island.

[5:42:58] Voice 4: And that particular groundwater region has a water budget that shows that there's a likelihood

[5:43:06] Voice 4: had a vulnerability due to the amount of groundwater recharge that happens every year

[5:43:11] Voice 4: to the amount of users that are using and that was again those are broad estimates

[5:43:19] for example the domestic groundwater users was estimated to be 650 liters per day and that might

[5:43:27] be greater or less and that's the and that's also a conservative estimate because we took

[5:43:33] an account for every single one of those wells um used at that

[5:43:37] Voice 17: leaders per day where

[5:43:39] Voice 4: said some of them have not been built

[5:43:43] Voice 4: so let's see if someone else has a question

[5:43:56] Voice 12: history here that i will be a relative newcomer for quite some time i've been here for about a

[5:44:01] Voice 12: year i work with local governments and um and i'm i sat in through today's session on crystal

[5:44:07] Voice 12: mountain and others and i'm just curious if it seems like some of the protectionism around density

[5:44:12] Voice 12: is related to water which is valid i ran out of water on my new property the property i bought

[5:44:18] Voice 12: last year because i didn't have any well storage didn't know any better uh and i'm wondering if

[5:44:24] Voice 12: because i work as a liaison between local and federal governments i'm wondering if maybe this

[5:44:28] Voice 12: this is something for Mr. Smith or others but if we could use this opportunity as a means by which

[5:44:34] Voice 12: to address some of the inequities around access to broadband water well storage for fire like all

[5:44:42] Voice 12: the things that actually impact everybody here on Galliano that no one on the mainland or on

[5:44:47] Voice 12: Vancouver Island is faced with being burdened by cost wise my energy bills here are high and I work

[5:44:54] Voice 12: working climate change and i'm on propane for heating i hate that um but my you know but my

[5:44:59] Voice 12: electrical is isn't redundant enough or reliable enough and the broadband i'm lucky i live on the

[5:45:04] Voice 12: south end but i understand that a lot of you all don't even have broadband so is there a way to use

[5:45:09] Voice 12: such a high profile development like this which is addressing a need that everybody can understand

[5:45:17] Voice 12: even in urban areas around affordability and need and access to clean and affordable energy

[5:45:23] Voice 12: and power and whatever is there a way to use this to also command some resources for the larger

[5:45:30] Voice 12: community to benefit and I'm not saying the developer would pay for that I'm just saying

[5:45:34] Voice 12: could there be a way to use you're going to be going through these very intensive grant processes

[5:45:39] Voice 12: and volunteers here can't they don't have the access and the connections you all do but could

[5:45:43] Voice 12: Could you, instead of just saying for this particular property, could you also identify the lack of access to broadband and wireless and redundant power and adequate well storage for fire protection and whatever for the Northern Island?

[5:45:58] Voice 12: Could you also, and for everywhere, could you put that into your applications in a way so that the entire community can see benefit from this?

[5:46:05] Voice 12: and some of the controversy around like the scarcity around water we need the density we

[5:46:12] Voice 12: need affordable housing we need people to be able to age in place here right we need to be able to

[5:46:16] Voice 12: have families grow up here but it's really become unaffordable and and i live in my places my main

[5:46:21] Voice 12: home is in victoria and the same has happened in victoria and so i know i'm contributing to that

[5:46:26] Voice 12: problem as i as i come here but i also think we're we're coming at this from a real scarcity

[5:46:37] Voice 12: city mindset of being like worried about one person's one dense project taking away from the

[5:46:43] Voice 12: water of the neighbor next door or downstream instead of addressing the fact that there's a

[5:46:47] Voice 12: water shortage problem here that isn't being addressed by the larger levels of government

[5:46:50] Voice 12: that you're all paying taxes to um so i'm just wondering is there a way to seek out some greater

[5:46:58] Voice 12: community benefit through these applications to cmhc to easy housing to the ministry like in the

[5:47:04] Voice 12: the province, to the CRD.

[5:47:05] Voice 12: I mean, my taxes in Victoria are the same as here

[5:47:08] Voice 12: and I get no garbage collection.

[5:47:09] Voice 12: I have no services,

[5:47:12] Voice 12: but I'm paying the same amount in Victoria

[5:47:14] Voice 12: and I get so much.

[5:47:15] Voice 12: So like, can we instead come at this

[5:47:17] Voice 12: from more of a partnership standpoint

[5:47:19] Voice 12: and say like, it's time that these basic services

[5:47:22] Voice 12: come to the government here

[5:47:24] Voice 12: because they are putting our properties at risk of fire.

[5:47:27] Voice 4: So can I get you to focus your question?

[5:47:29] Voice 12: That's my question.

[5:47:30] Voice 4: Your question is-

[5:47:31] Voice 12: Well, my question is how can we leverage this project

[5:47:33] Voice 12: which is going to gain such it's going to gain bc housing cmhc they're going to love this project

[5:47:40] Voice 12: they don't understand rural issues you're going to come at this project and they're going to want

[5:47:45] Voice 12: to fund it can we use this to leverage greater funding for the greater good and the greater

[5:47:51] Voice 12: problems that exist on the island yeah

[5:47:53] Voice 10: well i

[5:47:54] Voice 10: don't

[5:47:59] Voice 4: even know how to begin to answer that question

[5:48:04] Voice 4: i'm not sure i mean brad you could take it correct if you like i

[5:48:09] Voice 15: think i would say that

[5:48:10] Voice 15: this discussion tonight is focused on this rezoning proposal and the specific application

[5:48:16] Voice 15: in front of us there's no role of the island's trust in their funding applications

[5:48:21] Voice 15: i'm looking right now the crd is working on a on a broadband connectivity project and

[5:48:29] Voice 15: And I hear you, but,

[5:48:32] Voice 14: you know, if this is your second house,

[5:48:34] Voice 14: then I think affordability of housing for people that don't have a first

[5:48:38] Voice 14: house is a bigger issue.

[5:48:41] Voice 12: Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to make the move, you know,

[5:48:43] Voice 12: everyone's got a transition.

[5:48:47] Voice 12: Yeah.

[5:48:48] Voice 13: Yeah. And like islands trust would play a different role,

[5:48:51] Voice 13: but it's worth noting that diggers has actually received some funding from

[5:48:55] Voice 13: the community housing transformation center in partnership with the main

[5:48:58] Voice 13: island housing society um to help build capacity in the affordable housing sector so it's not quite

[5:49:04] Voice 13: the sort of whole community equity approach that you're talking about but i think there is momentum

[5:49:09] Voice 13: right now um across all of the

[5:49:12] Voice 13: southern gulf islands to learn from each other to build capacity

[5:49:15] Voice 13: in each other and help pave the way for future projects to not face so many of these barriers and

[5:49:20] Voice 13: and to have a bit more of a clear pathway towards providing affordable housing so there's there's

[5:49:26] Voice 13: that partnership that's happening and part of the outcome of that is we're gonna um draft sort of

[5:49:31] Voice 13: like a road map of the process that we went through um but there's a couple other things

[5:49:36] Voice 13: happening in parallel looking at affordable housing on the islands um through the crd there

[5:49:41] Voice 13: is actually a partnership that's gotten funded through cnhc to do a proposal to do a larger

[5:49:46] Voice 13: sort of research body on

[5:49:48] Voice 13: how to provide affordable housing and i think those points about like

[5:49:51] Voice 13: equitable access to those resources that everybody needs should definitely play a part in that. So

[5:49:57] Voice 13: yeah I think it's something that

[5:49:59] Voice 9: I

[5:50:00] Voice 13: hear as a development consultant, I think Giggers hears it,

[5:50:03] Voice 13: so yeah I think hopefully we can play a role in some of that. I think that key word is partnerships,

[5:50:08] Voice 13: it's working together. We sat and had a meeting with ICDC to

[5:50:12] Voice 6: talk about the road and you know

[5:50:14] Voice 13: they'll

[5:50:15] Voice 3: partner with small non-profits if you want to make your roadways better or put in bike trails

[5:50:20] Voice 3: else they'll help you just have to

[5:50:22] Voice 8: reach out fully intended yeah yeah

[5:50:26] Voice 4: and just just and it's not clear

[5:50:29] Voice 4: and i think a lot of people know this um you've heard us say this uh this this isn't our application

[5:50:36] Voice 4: this is the applicant's application i get it

[5:50:39] Voice 4: we're i know you but we're the we're simply we're

[5:50:42] Voice 4: simple we're the decision-making body that decides whether a particular rezoning landing body goes

[5:50:49] Voice 4: that we have other aspects of our work uh where we're addressing some of those but it's one of

[5:50:54] Voice 4: the complications of living out the layers and i know i shouldn't say it's all but the layers

[5:50:59] Voice 4: of government that everybody hates there's five or six of them at least and um and so it gets

[5:51:06] Voice 4: complicated the crd is the is the service delivery organization and we're the land use planning

[5:51:13] Voice 4: organization and the province and the feds do their role and the first nations uh very much

[5:51:18] Voice 4: have their role of overlooking it all um but we do do some things so for example we've been

[5:51:25] Voice 4: encouraging the connected coast to come to the islands and they're coming but they're slow um

[5:51:30] Voice 4: the broadband project with the crd we've been in consultation with them we've got our water

[5:51:34] Voice 4: project we've invested a lot of resources into it and yes would it be great if we could take

[5:51:40] Voice 4: take our world and leverage something like this into better services uh of course uh yeah better

[5:51:48] Voice 4: roads better better internet better water better everything but we're trying but i don't think we

[5:51:53] Voice 4: can take at least my perspective is take one project and leverage it into all of those things

[5:52:00] Voice 4: and i appreciate your optimism about the success of this project and i'm sure

[5:52:07] Voice 4: but i'm very conscious i'm very

[5:52:11] Voice 4: conscious of this fact that that um the last round of funding for

[5:52:17] Voice 4: bc housing funded nothing on any of the islands like nothing and there were actually i know four

[5:52:23] Voice 4: or five shuttle ready projects on gabriel and salt spring and denman etc and they didn't fund

[5:52:29] Voice 4: any of them because the competition some someone told me it's a crazy stack like there was like

[5:52:34] Voice 4: like like 1400 applications and like 120 got funded so i mean i may have my numbers wrong

[5:52:42] Voice 4: so um anyway it's it's it's a challenging gig out there for a hundred thousand okay well just

[5:52:50] Voice 12: as somebody who works in that field i do think one of the problems is that there's a lack of data

[5:52:54] Voice 12: on the gulf islands and there's an understanding of remote what rural remote northern looks like

[5:53:00] Voice 12: in terms of income levels and access issues but i think because we're squished into the census

[5:53:05] Voice 12: tracts and substance subdivisions and whatever of the vancouver mainland and vancouver island

[5:53:09] Voice 12: that we end up relying on vancouver island stuff and you look around the room and you see a bunch

[5:53:15] Voice 12: of white people over 65 we're all homeowners and they go you know what that's not our most

[5:53:19] Voice 12: that's not our most critical crew that we need to be supporting right now and i disagree with

[5:53:23] Voice 12: that i will say that but that's why i think and we need to be much clearer on like what some of

[5:53:29] Voice 12: of the challenges aren't there's been

[5:53:31] Voice 12: a number of

[5:53:31] Voice 4: housing studies all right

[5:53:33] Voice 4: anyway i

[5:53:34] Voice 12: know i'm sorry

[5:53:34] Voice 12: i'm sorry no

[5:53:35] Voice 4: no no don't be sorry but i'm going to go on to another question um because i see this

[5:53:39] Voice 4: lady up here thank you go ahead hi

[5:53:42] Voice 8: um my name is gail stewart and my question is um

[5:53:47] Voice 8: has the organization called reaching home been on the list of

[5:53:56] Voice 8: so

[5:53:57] Voice 13: reaching home i believe is a funding program um that's sort of uh channeled through various

[5:54:05] Voice 13: organizations my understanding of it is it's really targeting people experiencing homelessness

[5:54:10] Voice 13: and it's got very specific criteria and i believe it has more of an urban focus

[5:54:17] Voice 13: focus. But certainly we're exploring all possible avenues. And so even ones that don't seem likely

[5:54:23] Voice 13: we'll look into, we'll reach out and speak to the funders to see if there is any option for funding.

[5:54:28] Voice 12: I am on the Reaching Home Evaluation Committee for the CRD,

[5:54:31] Voice 13: and it is

[5:54:32] Voice 12: for people experiencing

[5:54:33] Voice 12: homelessness and providing supportive housing or capacity building around those who are about to

[5:54:38] Voice 12: experience homelessness. So I think you've come at it from a preventative standpoint, but for the

[5:54:43] Voice 12: the most part it would be inviting supportive housing on the ground.

[5:54:47] Voice 8: My other question on the same theme was

[5:54:49] Voice 3: that if BC Housing was not part of this project,

[5:54:54] Voice 8: has there been thought or a partnership around asking BC Housing for subsidies?

[5:55:04] Voice 13: I mean, yeah, I think any opportunity to partner with BC Housing, whether it's through capital

[5:55:09] Voice 13: funding for that development or through subsidy, it would be pursued.

[5:55:13] Voice 13: In general, BC housing, unless it's supportive housing, which is usually targeting folks experiencing homelessness that have complex needs, unless it's that specific type of housing, they're moving away from a subsidy sort of model for affordable housing, and they're looking for projects to be financially sustainable without ongoing government inputs.

[5:55:35] Voice 13: inputs, so they usually prioritize projects that can be sustainable without ongoing inputs.

[5:55:41] Voice 13: But things change all the time in the funding sphere, so if that was an option, it could

[5:55:47] Voice 13: certainly be pursued.

[5:55:49] Voice 4: Thank you for your question.

[5:55:50] Voice 4: Yes, Javier.

[5:55:52] Voice 8: I have two questions that are related.

[5:55:55] Voice 5: And who

[5:55:56] Voice 8: are they to?

[5:55:57] Voice 8: Yes.

[5:55:58] Voice 7: One is that in this housing agreement, there is not a definition of affordable housing.

[5:56:06] Voice 7: rental housing unit because

[5:56:08] Voice 7: they are not mentioned

[5:56:10] Voice 7: in it. I saw the definition

[5:56:13] Voice 7: in the Gabriela housing agreement.

[5:56:16] Voice 7: Why is it

[5:56:17] Voice 7: not mentioned that we

[5:56:19] Voice 7: have affordable rental

[5:56:21] Voice 7: housing unit in the housing

[5:56:23] Voice 7: agreement?

[5:56:25] Voice 13: I believe what you're referencing is there's no

[5:56:28] Voice 13: definition of

[5:56:29] Voice 13: an affordable market or any kind of

[5:56:31] Voice 13: market unit and what that means.

[5:56:33] Voice 13: Because it's not mentioned.

[5:56:36] Voice 13: yeah and so what we were trying to do with the um with the housing agreement is make it as broad

[5:56:43] Voice 13: and as flexible as possible so that it would be able to fit into bc housing's program so that it

[5:56:48] Voice 13: could fit in chd's program and whoever else might

[5:56:50] Voice 13: be out there and um bringing in too many uh strict

[5:56:55] Voice 13: definitions and uh really specific rental targets could be seen as a risk from funders or it wouldn't

[5:57:03] Voice 13: automatically fit. And so we made the decision, and it was supported by staff, to not reference

[5:57:10] Voice 13: specifically market units and what that might mean in this project. It's possible that some

[5:57:15] Voice 13: of the units could be rented at near market rates. But again, as I mentioned, with CHC being very

[5:57:21] Voice 13: likely to be a funder, the balance in the average would end up being below market, below that median

[5:57:27] Voice 13: market rent um and when you look at the um the data for the southern gulf islands and the median

[5:57:33] Voice 13: incomes even the baseline of affordability if you take 30 of uh the median income um it's it's

[5:57:42] Voice 13: roughly around market rate so uh you know there's no risk of these units being rented at like

[5:57:50] Voice 13: exorbitantly high rates it'll be roughly market or more likely most of them would be below and

[5:57:55] Voice 13: And we'll

[5:57:56] Voice 13: be Victoria index.

[5:57:58] Voice 13: If it's MHT, yeah, that's the direction that they give us.

[5:58:01] Voice 13: Because unfortunately, there isn't much or at all

[5:58:06] Voice 13: existing primary market rental units.

[5:58:10] Voice 13: So they don't have data to base it on this other column.

[5:58:13] Voice 7: Yeah, you have to point that 2.3 is the new,

[5:58:18] Voice 7: which is the criterion for choosing the one.

[5:58:21] Voice 7: and 2.4 is the rental payroll, that means the rental structure.

[5:58:27] Voice 7: But there is also a 2.9 that the operating agreement prevails

[5:58:34] Voice 7: the provision in section 2.3 and 2.4 apply except if the rental housing units

[5:58:42] Voice 7: are subject to an operating agreement which conflict with all or any of them,

[5:58:50] Voice 7: in which case the operating agreement prevails to the extent of the conflict only.

[5:58:57] Voice 7: If the funder doesn't agree, we have two three and two four,

[5:59:03] Voice 7: we do have to change it, we have to do it after funder wants.

[5:59:08] Voice 13: Yeah so essentially that clause is in there to reduce the risk in the eyes of funders and so

[5:59:15] Voice 13: So let's just say BC Housing funded it.

[5:59:18] Voice 13: We don't think there will be accomplished the way we constructed it.

[5:59:21] Voice 13: We tried to avoid that.

[5:59:22] Voice 13: But if there was and they had any uncertainty, it basically just says the operating agreement

[5:59:26] Voice 13: with them, which that's why their affordability targets would prevail.

[5:59:31] Voice 7: At least here, I'm not sure that it will happen in 2.3 and 2.4.

[5:59:37] Voice 7: Well, that

[5:59:39] Voice 13: level of affordability would only be deepened if it was either CMHC or BC Housing.

[5:59:45] Voice 13: So the number of the rents that you can calculate with those current clauses, the rents would actually be lower with housing funding, for example.

[5:59:54] Voice 13: Thank you very much.

[5:59:55] Voice 7: to limit.

[5:59:58] Voice 4: Other questions?

[6:00:01] Voice 4: yes go ahead i

[6:00:02] Voice 14: just have one uh with regards to uh the financing of it and i guess what you're

[6:00:08] Voice 14: saying is that there it's not going to be if cmhc does it they're not doing it as something that's

[6:00:15] Voice 14: not sustainable in effect which is that if there was a mortgage held the expectation would be that

[6:00:22] Voice 14: it'd be paid back over x number of years so if it wasn't cmhc if it was a group of galliano

[6:00:28] Voice 14: residents that could also be a part of that would it could that be structured as well

[6:00:34] Voice 14: or would it would it have to go through some other maybe a more complex uh scenario so

[6:00:44] Voice 13: CMHC is quite flexible the way they fund projects and co-investment is their funding avenue that we

[6:00:51] Voice 13: would most likely pursue and it's co-investment because they want a partner at the table who's

[6:00:55] Voice 13: also funding the project and in this project's case because the land is being donated and that's

[6:01:01] Voice 13: usually such a big expense that's considered a partnership so we could apply for them alone

[6:01:06] Voice 13: for financing for a repayable loan um and it would have to be paid back it would have to be

[6:01:13] Voice 13: sustainable the rents would have to cover the mortgage and the operating costs that amount

[6:01:18] Voice 13: that would be applied for could be reduced significantly if fundraising was really

[6:01:23] Voice 13: successful if there was other grants received um co-investment has two streams as well they have

[6:01:29] Voice 13: the financing so loan but then they also have they call it a forgivable loan so essentially a grant

[6:01:35] Voice 13: so for example if these housing uh funding came to the table which provides a large

[6:01:40] Voice 13: input to the project um as well as a takeout mortgage then the project could apply to chc

[6:01:47] Voice 13: for a grant which would um it covers between 5 and 15 percent of project costs depending on

[6:01:54] Voice 13: a scorecard that you you fill out um so without getting in the weeds too much it kind of depends

[6:02:00] Voice 13: but CMHC is fairly flexible um and either way you cut it the more cash sort of um the more cash you

[6:02:09] Voice 13: put in up front to reduce the mortgage the better the better for the project and that would also

[6:02:14] Voice 13: resent in lower rents in the long term because you could you could make it financially sustainable

[6:02:19] Voice 13: with lower mortgage costs and lower operational costs thank

[6:02:23] Voice 4: you sir i think you had a question

[6:02:25] Voice 4: i thought i thought i saw that yeah yeah

[6:02:28] Voice 3: i'm gonna turn around my head around all this i'm

[6:02:30] Voice 3: kind of new here but like is it a for profit thing so did you get the land for 10 dollars

[6:02:38] Voice 3: and you get the subsidies and you get all this money like what what's the governance to make

[6:02:44] Voice 3: sure you complete

[6:02:44] Voice 4: like could you

[6:02:45] Voice 3: somehow

[6:02:46] Voice 4: start the project and you don't complete it or like what's

[6:02:50] Voice 4: the governance structure so

[6:02:52] Voice 13: most funders including pc housing and cmhc um they won't give you your

[6:02:58] Voice 13: your first draw on your funding until you've shown that you can construct the project um so you have

[6:03:05] Voice 13: to have evidence of all of your funding and show that it covers the cost estimate that you have for

[6:03:10] Voice 13: your construction which at that point would be what's called a class A estimate and actually

[6:03:15] Voice 13: for CMHC they require tender pricing so you would have your costs and so the project wouldn't

[6:03:21] Voice 13: actually start construction until Hager's is sure and the funder is sure that it can be completed

[6:03:28] Voice 13: and in order to get all of those funding pots those funders do require sort of depending a

[6:03:36] Voice 13: five or ten year outlook on operations to show that with the rents that they're proposing that

[6:03:42] Voice 13: costs can be covered over time and that includes a replacement reserve for upkeep of the property

[6:03:48] Voice 13: and it's pretty thorough what they require to fund projects.

[6:03:52] Voice 15: Okay so any profit just you know

[6:03:54] Voice 15: pays out the mortgage. Yeah exactly

[6:03:56] Voice 13: and so what Giggers has to do is find the balance between

[6:04:00] Voice 13: keeping the rents as affordable as possible and covering their costs but yeah essentially there

[6:04:05] Voice 13: is no profit or whatever um surplus they have is just reinvested into the project

[6:04:11] Voice 8: we're a registered non-profit society in the province

[6:04:16] other

[6:04:19] Voice 4: questions uh yeah go ahead

[6:04:42] Voice 7: One of them, I think it's Tanya, she makes it very clear that if there are problems,

[6:04:51] Voice 7: it's extremely difficult to prove that your water, your well have problems because of

[6:05:00] Voice 7: the new one.

[6:05:02] Voice 7: She said it's very expensive, you have to pay a lot of money.

[6:05:20] Voice 7: If this water problem increases and these are dry wells, how will we be able to prove

[6:05:30] Voice 7: that the problem has increased due to the new one?

[6:05:35] Voice 7: Well,

[6:05:39] Voice 17: I think we have to, if there's water issues that are already, I don't know where you're speaking to, but

[6:05:55] Voice 4: I imagine somewhere in the water region where this project is going to be.

[6:06:02] Voice 4: And if there's already water issues, then it doesn't necessarily mean that this particular location up the hill is going to add to those water problems.

[6:06:20] So imagine you're speaking to an area of high density

[6:06:25] Voice 4: wells close to the sea and into a completely different producing fracture than the well that is for this application.

[6:06:40] Voice 4: So if there's a lot of experience now, it's likely that they will be by a changing climate.

[6:06:53] Voice 4: So those problems likely get worse.

[6:06:55] Voice 4: The issue is that we want to point our finger at the baddest thing, and so I think we should

[6:07:05] be pointing mostly if we see water problems getting worse into the future rather than

[6:07:11] pointing at a new neighbor.

[6:07:13] In the case of the particular operation of this well, the

[6:07:21] Voice 17: most monitored well on Galleon,

[6:07:33] it's going to be operated this is where the world will be

[6:07:42] Voice 4: expanded i don't see their water

[6:07:43] Voice 4: management plan as being documented slightly and for other areas i imagine this has been

[6:07:54] Voice 4: involved in this that undertaking um what groundwater resources on say multi-million

[6:08:02] dollar industries that there are different performance measures that are placed on a well

[6:08:10] And in this case, we have encouraged gears, well, sorry, staff have

[6:08:17] Voice 4: encouraged the LTC to encourage, and we actually have now regulated them to put in these measures, which are flow meters, as well as groundwater level monitors, and they will be able to tell if they're getting critically low, or if there's some sort of change in their behavior in the groundwater.

[6:08:40] um there's there's been many issues and it's likely due and i say this in all respects likely

[6:08:55] due to the

[6:08:56] Voice 4: mismanagement of water sources other than some sort of externality and in some areas

[6:09:09] Voice 4: where they instead of going for a high density amount of wells they chose community systems that

[6:09:16] are managed and in those areas if they chose to go to a well per lot they would have some serious

[6:09:25] groundwater issues but since the chair rogers island keys island is a prime example of that

[6:09:33] on the east foreign system without having

[6:09:36] Voice 4: a very well managed community water system

[6:09:40] Voice 4: they have a five gallon in a well that serves almost well several wells that come together

[6:09:45] to five gallons a minute serves 175 homes or so i'm not too sure it's a different style of

[6:09:53] groundwater source but what i'm trying to say is that's a very well managed system the largest

[6:09:59] Voice 17: issue that we have on i

[6:10:01] Voice 4: know the same

[6:10:02] Voice 17: that i have

[6:10:04] Voice 4: is that domestic groundwater wells are privately

[6:10:08] Voice 4: managed public resources and and everyone manages their groundwater wells so to speak to the

[6:10:17] lady who spoke earlier but can this um application

[6:10:22] Voice 4: teach us all and i think it's to have

[6:10:25] better management of our groundwater resources um and also i've been reading a lot about water

[6:10:33] objectives and there has been

[6:10:34] Voice 4: a really great document come out from polis which is the

[6:10:40] project on water governance speaking about water objectives as a legal tool under the water

[6:10:47] stability act to protect water resources we'll get into it here i'll speak a little bit about that

[6:10:54] at the information meeting for the groundwater recharge area that's coming up in a month

[6:11:02] Voice 17: but i hope that answers some of your questions

[6:11:04] Voice 17: One

[6:11:04] Voice 7: of the documented water problems

[6:11:08] Voice 7: have been in the Spiegel water system.

[6:11:11] Voice 7: I mean, we monitor and we are very careful with it.

[6:11:17] Voice 7: We got an email from another person

[6:11:21] Voice 7: on the water license thing, Cali Merchant.

[6:11:24] Voice 7: And he told us that when they consider water license,

[6:11:30] Voice 7: they don't consider water problems in private projects.

[6:11:36] Voice 7: The only other private ones close to the project are not considered according to the by the

[6:11:45] Voice 8: water pricing.

[6:11:47] Voice 8: I have a question for

[6:11:50] Voice 8: Mr. Fonko, but I want to-

[6:11:53] Voice 17: Could I just, could you ask me a question and I'll answer it?

[6:11:55] Voice 17: So I'm not saying whether or not they read your letters describing water issues.

[6:12:05] issues.

[6:12:06] Voice 4: The hydrogeologists that work alongside the people that you've mentioned who are more

[6:12:12] authorization specialists, they're very aware of the water problems on the island, maybe

[6:12:20] not a particular PID or address,

[6:12:23] Voice 4: but they're very aware when you clump 20 domestic wells

[6:12:27] Voice 4: together in a certain well density, and in their adjudication letters, they speak about

[6:12:33] well density that they're aware that when you have those many domestic wells there can be an issue

[6:12:38] and and they do address registered groundwater domestic groundwater wells in their education

[6:12:45] and for example if there is an area of known saltwater intrusion and with the addition of

[6:12:53] that density they might even do models to achieve those water wells and there has been

[6:13:00] in groundwater licenses that have been either curtailed

[6:13:02] or turned down because of the domestic

[6:13:05] Voice 17: water in the area,

[6:13:07] Voice 17: mostly due to saltwater.

[6:13:10] Voice 17: But I would say that they do address

[6:13:15] the

[6:13:15] Voice 17: domestic groundwater

[6:13:16] Voice 4: issues of the groundwater region.

[6:13:21] Voice 8: Thank you.

[6:13:22] Voice 8: Mr. Kohut, thank you for being here.

[6:13:25] Voice 8: Thank you for listening to all of the data, though.

[6:13:27] Voice 8: I think that it's been very important for us

[6:13:36] Voice 8: You mentioned that in December, it was the time of holidays, from December to December.

[6:13:44] Voice 8: Where was the difference?

[6:13:46] Voice 8: Now, last year, during that time of the year, the season of holidays, there were very few people gathering in Dalianu because of the holidays.

[6:14:00] Voice 8: It was quite obvious the island was quite empty from January to December.

[6:14:17] Voice 8: I

[6:14:34] Voice 18: wonder if we could show this figure

[6:14:36] Voice 15: on

[6:14:37] Voice 18: the, is that possible?

[6:14:39] Voice 15: Oh,

[6:14:45] Voice 17: you got it?

[6:14:47] Voice 8: This

[6:15:00] Voice 18: shows the location of the project well in relationship to the,

[6:15:09] Voice 18: what was known in 2018 of the location of neighboring wells and maybe I could

[6:15:15] Voice 18: address a couple with other questions and we get to the final question but are there any landowners

[6:15:23] Voice 18: from this area here today at this meeting that are covered by this map yes

[6:15:30] Voice 6: yeah okay

[6:15:32] Voice 18: um now where

[6:15:33] Voice 18: Where exactly are the problems that have been reported,

[6:15:36] Voice 18: the 25 problems in relationship to this project well?

[6:15:42] Voice 18: Are they close to the project well, are they?

[6:15:44] Voice 6: Yes, they are.

[6:15:45] Voice 18: Do we have that information?

[6:15:46] Voice 6: Yeah, they're within the strata specifically.

[6:15:51] Voice 18: In the strata.

[6:15:52] Voice 18: And the strata is not 6 Ellison Water System?

[6:15:56] Voice 9: No, no, no, that's further down the road

[6:16:00] Voice 9: in the other direction.

[6:16:01] Voice 9: and the strategy of already 13 properties that are directly below the community forest site

[6:16:09] Voice 5: okay

[6:16:10] Voice 9: and well interference has been experienced um in the past um a number of those properties

[6:16:19] Voice 18: so these are all residential wells yes are

[6:16:22] Voice 18: any of them used commercially for

[6:16:33] Voice 8: Yeah,

[6:16:34] Voice 18: they do.

[6:16:37] Voice 18: And they don't have licenses.

[6:16:41] Voice 18: They're an infringement of the Water Sustainability Act.

[6:16:44] Voice 18: That's another point.

[6:16:47] Voice 18: But there are essentially no controls on those wells.

[6:16:51] Voice 18: On

[6:16:52] Voice 9: which wells?

[6:16:53] Voice 18: On the strata wells.

[6:16:55] Voice 9: They're domestic wells.

[6:16:56] Voice 18: And the

[6:16:57] Voice 9: landowners

[6:16:59] Voice 18: can use as much water as they want.

[6:17:01] Voice 18: Yes,

[6:17:01] Voice 6: yes, that's true.

[6:17:03] Voice 18: Are they exceeding the allowable limit for residential purposes, which is defined in the Sustainability Act?

[6:17:14] Voice 18: I guess what I'm leading to here is the density is fairly high in that area, relatively high, not extremely high, but perhaps some of those wells are interfering with each other.

[6:17:29] Voice 9: But they are.

[6:17:42] Voice 18: Okay, well, maybe not all of them are in use all the time.

[6:17:46] Voice 18: No, they're not.

[6:17:48] Voice 9: Some of the properties are not occupied by the reported well owners here.

[6:17:53] Voice 18: Well, that's an issue between those well owners, really.

[6:17:56] Voice 18: The question here is, is the project well going to affect those wells?

[6:18:01] Voice 18: And, well, that's maybe your opinion, but my experience from what I've done here in terms of evaluation and monitoring

[6:18:12] Voice 18: is that this project well will not have a significant effect on those neighbouring wells.

[6:18:17] Voice 18: Firstly, because of the distance from those wells.

[6:18:20] Voice 18: wells. We monitor the existing wells during that pump test when it was pumped for 72 hours.

[6:18:28] Voice 18: My experience tells me that this project well will not have a major effect. Now, at least

[6:18:35] Voice 18: the other question was, will all these wells in this area, are they causing a major decline

[6:18:42] Voice 18: in the water levels in this area? And the data we have at the project well doesn't show

[6:18:50] Voice 18: any significant major decline during last summer which is the driest probably one of the driest

[6:18:57] Voice 18: summers we only saw uh less than 10 centimeters drop in the project well so i don't you know

[6:19:07] Voice 18: there may well be interference problems between existing well owners that's a separate issue

[6:19:14] Voice 18: I

[6:19:15] Voice 8: understand the

[6:19:29] Voice 18: question. There was interference that was reported in the project well.

[6:19:33] Voice 18: And the only thing that I can conclude is that there were people there during the Christmas New Year period.

[6:19:44] Voice 18: And my understanding is that there was a good influx of people in the Gulf Islands during the last Christmas.

[6:19:52] Voice 18: And that was my rationale for determining that was probably what was affected.

[6:20:01] Voice 18: Now, that interference was not that significant.

[6:20:04] Voice 18: It showed up-

[6:20:06] Voice 7: That means there is communication between

[6:20:08] Voice 18: the weight

[6:20:09] Voice 7: of the project.

[6:20:10] Voice 18: Yes, but the magnitude of that interference

[6:20:14] Voice 18: was not significant.

[6:20:15] Voice 3: That I understood for a moment.

[6:20:17] Voice 18: Because we are monitoring every 10 minutes.

[6:20:20] Voice 18: That data logger is sending data every 10 minutes.

[6:20:24] Voice 18: So we would see that kind of,

[6:20:27] Voice 18: it's sensitive to that kind of interference.

[6:20:29] Voice 18: So definitely during that week, Christmas New Year's, there were probably a lot of families, I'm guessing.

[6:20:39] Voice 18: Well, I don't know if you did a survey of everybody who was there.

[6:20:49] Voice 18: my understanding is there was a significant number of people who came to the gulf islands last year

[6:20:56] Voice 18: because they couldn't go anywhere else a lot of stay vacation people and this showed up

[6:21:04] Voice 18: in my opinion monitoring wells for 45 years that there was something significant going on here

[6:21:11] Voice 18: at that time. And it was the only time in the entire period between July and January 1st when

[6:21:20] Voice 18: we did the monitoring. So the other thing I want to bring to your attention is that we did look at

[6:21:27] Voice 18: the Styx-Allison water system. And in my report of December, I looked at Main Island. I looked at

[6:21:39] Voice 18: trickle mallee um water system on pender and i looked at sticks allison and sticks allison

[6:21:50] Voice 18: had the highest per capita consumption of water of those three water systems it's a crd system

[6:21:59] Voice 18: But those residents, 34 residential connections, were using 396 to 538 liters per day per connection during a five-year period.

[6:22:13] Voice 18: So I don't think they're conservation conscious in that particular subdivision.

[6:22:22] Voice 18: There are a lot of B&Bs there as well.

[6:22:24] Voice 18: Well, that could be, and they may be entirely illegal if they're on the water system.

[6:22:30] Voice 6: If I could just ask one more question.

[6:22:32] Voice 6: Yeah,

[6:22:33] Voice 18: we aren't done yet,

[6:22:33] Voice 5: so go ahead.

[6:22:37] Voice 6: Actually, it was a recommendation of that third-party peer review of the water report

[6:22:44] Voice 6: that more favorite wells should be monitored

[6:22:48] Voice 9: in connection

[6:22:49] Voice 6: with this project,

[6:22:51] Voice 6: And only one well was

[6:22:53] Voice 9: monitored. That was

[6:22:54] Voice 6: actually our well during the December 2018 72-hour flow test.

[6:23:02] Voice 6: And we, because we have,

[6:23:05] Voice 9: neighbors have reported well interference between their wells and our strata,

[6:23:10] Voice 9: that we don't know what causes that. We know we're in a fractured bedrock system and that that can happen in that kind of system.

[6:23:17] Voice 6: So we have reported that just because we want this project and the LTC to be aware of that.

[6:23:25] Voice 6: And we have asked for more monitoring of the wells adjacent to this.

[6:23:30] Voice 6: And why has that not been done so that we can collect more information?

[6:23:39] Voice 6: That was the recommendation of the waterline report.

[6:23:45] Voice 18: I have the waterline report here. Let's just take a quick look.

[6:23:50] Voice 18: I

[6:23:53] Voice 4: don't want to be argumentative, but I don't believe that the Waterline report did mention that there were some wells from the GWELs that weren't on Mr. Kohut's data.

[6:24:17] The Waterline report does comment on recommendations that data loggers be installed immediately in the project well, and that was perhaps a recommendation to the LTC to consider.

[6:24:33] so that came in and also it they mentioned if if figures were to pursue uh this is pretty much a

[6:24:47] recommendation to the province or to the applicant that the province would request other testing but

[6:24:56] the province did not but i don't see in here um all we suggested is an updated field verification

[6:25:04] survey should be completed to ensure that all groundwater users are identified within one

[6:25:09] Voice 4: upon the greatest of the project location um and that's that's all that i saw of them

[6:25:15] Voice 4: It

[6:25:15] Voice 8: was conventional, I remember, that because the state, the countries would have the very

[6:25:22] Voice 8: many processes, each state, let's call them, without another country in the season of the

[6:25:34] Voice 8: 19th.

[6:25:35] Voice 8: That was also the case.

[6:25:37] Voice 4: I think that led to the data logger being put in.

[6:25:41] Voice 4: So we're running close to 8 o'clock.

[6:25:44] Voice 4: I want to make sure we have any more questions that want to be answered.

[6:25:49] Voice 4: So you have a question?

[6:25:50] Voice 4: Yes.

[6:25:51] Voice 4: I'm a rancher on this island.

[6:25:54] Voice 15: Given that Michael Schubach established that this well is the most monitored well that has come so far,

[6:26:08] Voice 15: Like, in regards to any of the other wells, is probably the most monitored well of this project more so than any other residents will have monitored, you know, people that can buy in the current housing market?

[6:26:25] Voice 15: Will there be any, do you think there'll be any more meaningful change in the water levels?

[6:26:30] Voice 15: i'm sorry if i missed some details like will there be more monitoring or will that

[6:26:35] Voice 15: end after this project has its conclusion oh uh that's a great question so your question is

[6:26:42] really into say monitoring networks so i was being a little bit suspicious there has been

[6:26:47] groundwater consistent for a while through the provincial groundwater observation network and

[6:26:54] and the district will have used some of that work for some of that data analysis

[6:26:59] analysis but there has been a um push for more offerings so

[6:27:07] Voice 4: um through the other um

[6:27:11] Voice 4: portable housing applications that stress that staff have been requesting that there is monitoring

[6:27:20] Voice 4: as well on salt spring island right now i'm undertaking a volunteer observation wealth

[6:27:27] Voice 4: network so it's it's uh well owners who have a well on their property maybe they have two wells

[6:27:33] Voice 4: and whatnot being used and so there's 13 of those and i've been monitoring those now that's all

[6:27:38] Voice 4: it's coming up to five years so that's a really great data set and um in order to understand

[6:27:46] the water resources across the island i think more monitoring is needed

[6:27:51] Voice 4: through through my

[6:27:53] Voice 4: monitoring on salt spring island what i've realized is that every well has a story to tell

[6:27:58] Voice 4: and and the wells that are in lower areas closer to the sea behave a lot different than the wells

[6:28:05] Voice 4: up in the recharge zone and monitoring them uh independently is really important

[6:28:11] Voice 4: so i would imagine as we go forward here it seems like the province is really sluggish to

[6:28:19] Voice 4: monitoring of groundwater levels and their licenses um however they're quite aware that

[6:28:26] Voice 4: possibly the best way to ensure that these wells are monitored in the future are for section 219

[6:28:34] evidence which is what's involved in this project here so for this project there's

[6:28:40] well i think it's still being drafted but there's agreement between the project developers and the

[6:28:45] local trust committee to have ongoing continuous

[6:28:49] Voice 4: long-term monitoring for the life of the project

[6:28:55] Voice 4: me and the criticism of this project could create wonderful precedents for future build wells going

[6:29:02] Voice 3: forward yeah yeah i mean

[6:29:04] Voice 4: it's it's almost precedent setting now that we have included

[6:29:09] Voice 4: monitoring in um in an application like this uh five years ago there's just no way so

[6:29:16] Voice 4: thank you thank you for your question um so i i know our staff has to go because they have an

[6:29:23] Voice 4: 830 Ferry, and so you may see them pick up.

[6:29:30] Voice 7: I'm

[6:29:30] Voice 4: sorry, I can't understand what you're saying with your

[6:29:33] Voice 7: mask on.

[6:29:35] Voice 3: Well, ask your question.

[6:29:36] Voice 7: Yeah, it's waiting on the, we're going to answer about the

[6:29:39] Voice 7: habitat and the-

[6:29:40] Voice 15: So ask

[6:29:41] Voice 15: your question, ask

[6:29:43] Voice 7: your question, ask

[6:29:44] Voice 15: your question so I

[6:29:45] Voice 15: don't hear you.

[6:29:46] Voice 15: But to whom?

[6:29:47] Voice 15: Ask your question, I will answer.

[6:29:49] Voice 8: Everyone doesn't know

[6:29:50] Voice 8: your question.

[6:29:51] Voice 8: Yes, more than a year ago,

[6:29:56] Voice 7: we send it to...

[6:30:00] Voice 7: etc. And we asked about the legal opinion and you told us that the Habitat Trust Foundation

[6:30:10] Voice 7: was planning to ask for a legal opinion. We asked them, we wrote to them, they didn't answer and

[6:30:20] Voice 7: that's why I am asking you and I sent a letter to Chair Rocha. So the

[6:30:24] Voice 15: question was whether the

[6:30:26] Voice 15: the Habitat Acquisition Trust Fund

[6:30:28] Voice 15: or any other of the property owners

[6:30:29] Voice 15: received a legal opinion

[6:30:31] Voice 15: around their ability

[6:30:32] Voice 15: to adjust the covenant.

[6:30:34] Voice 7: Not just to adjust the covenant,

[6:30:36] Voice 7: it was more than that.

[6:30:37] Voice 15: To change the covenant.

[6:30:38] Voice 15: However,

[6:30:39] Voice 7: it was, it was, yeah.

[6:30:40] Voice 15: So I had a meeting

[6:30:42] Voice 15: with the

[6:30:42] Voice 14: Habitat Acquisition Trust Fund

[6:30:45] Voice 14: and they determined

[6:30:46] Voice 14: it was well within their rights

[6:30:48] Voice 14: to amend that covenant.

[6:30:49] Voice 14: Any other details?

[6:30:50] Voice 14: It is up

[6:30:51] Voice 15: to them to give

[6:30:52] Voice 14: to you or not.

[6:30:54] Voice 14: It is their legal opinion, and they can share that with you or not.

[6:30:59] Voice 14: They chose not to, but I have met with the director of the Havana Impact Solution Trust Fund,

[6:31:04] Voice 14: and I can assure you that they have received that legal opinion,

[6:31:07] Voice 14: and that legal opinion said that they are well within their rights to amend the covenant

[6:31:12] Voice 14: as long as the other covenant holders are.

[6:31:15] Voice 10: Thank you.

[6:31:17] Voice 4: So, again, we'll be packing up here for a little while,

[6:31:21] Voice 4: but I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to shut down the broadcast.

[6:31:24] Voice 4: If anybody wants to ask questions, I'm sure the,

[6:31:27] Voice 4: the office will be around for a moment. I want to thank you all for coming.

[6:31:31] Voice 4: I want to remind you of two things. One is on July the 16th.

[6:31:37] Voice 4: There will be a public hearing related to this particular application at

[6:31:42] Voice 4: 1230. I think it's a Saturday.

[6:31:46] Voice 4: I'll be on Galleon on Saturday.

[6:31:48] Voice 4: uh i know i don't get to hear very often

[6:31:52] Voice 10: and

[6:31:53] Voice 4: the other thing that i wanted to tell you remind you

[6:31:56] Voice 4: i mean you've heard um uh william shulma talk a little bit about his water project and the things

[6:32:02] Voice 4: and on july the 26th from a not an application perspective but rather on his great work around

[6:32:09] Voice 4: our water project around how to how to study the study and the water sustainability on the island

[6:32:16] Voice 4: there will be another it'll be a more we called it a community information meeting but it's more

[6:32:21] Voice 4: about a discussion and a question and answer so you can see what the work that william and

[6:32:26] Voice 4: marissa chadwick which the planner attached to that is doing so that's on the 26th of july which

[6:32:32] Voice 4: i think is a thursday or something like that so just a heads up

[6:32:37] Voice 4: we're on that and i'll see any

[6:32:39] Voice 4: of you who want to come on the 16th of july thank you very much for joining us thank you again for

[6:33:15] we're here.