Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 12, 2022

[0:00:01] Voice 8: Correct, yeah, I mean there's no requirement that if you own ALR land that you farm it so you can just live there and then the ALC is granted an additional permission for various sides of the dwelling without any demonstrated need for farming for health.

[0:00:20] Trustee Grove (probable): Well I understand the need for income for a young family struggling on a farm so personally I would remove that restriction.

[0:00:32] Voice 8: That's certainly within the rights to do so. I think there's a concern perhaps, if by doing so, are you adding to the issue of increasing the value of farmland by adding a second?

[0:00:44] Voice 8: Oh, I see what you mean.

[0:00:48] Voice 8: There's no analysis being done on that.

[0:00:50] Voice 11: Yeah,

[0:00:51] Voice 8: that makes good sense.

[0:00:52] Voice 8: The assessment uplift that you get from additional dwelling, but I would wonder if it exacerbates the issue of recording.

[0:01:05] Voice 3: So, it's called farm worker housing. It's farm worker housing.

[0:01:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): The

[0:01:13] Voice 20: ALR doesn't call it farm worker housing.

[0:01:16] Voice 20: Oh, they don't?

[0:01:16] Voice 20: The ALC, that's the point. We've added a restriction.

[0:01:22] Voice 8: So, then what?

[0:01:24] Voice 8: I would suggest that if the LTC would like to go that direction, they might refer it back to the WAPC to get some clear feedback on that change, if that's supported.

[0:01:36] Voice 8: Because there was some concern around, as well from the agricultural lines, that was

[0:01:43] Voice 8: some way of ensuring that it's used for farm worker dwelling, but not so far as a covenant.

[0:01:50] Voice 8: And it's sort of like, what's the tool to restrict that, and you can put it in the definition

[0:01:56] Voice 8: that's used, whether or not it ends up being used that way, remains to be seen.

[0:02:02] Voice 8: But I think that's a question that the agricultural community could provide some concrete feedback.

[0:02:14] Voice 11: I

[0:02:15] Trustee Grove (probable): mean, I like that it should be used for farm workers and or family.

[0:02:19] Trustee Grove (probable): But covenants are awkward at the best of times.

[0:02:21] Trustee Grove (probable): In some sense, they are difficult to manage.

[0:02:24] Trustee Grove (probable): I mean, we have to have a covenant.

[0:02:26] Trustee Grove (probable): And we just say that this is what the housing is for.

[0:02:29] Trustee Grove (probable): I mean, I don't know what by-law enforcement would have to say about that.

[0:02:33] Trustee Grove (probable): but I didn't think you actually need a covenant

[0:02:36] Voice 20: that's been struck out

[0:02:38] Trustee Grove (probable): yeah I

[0:02:48] Voice 8: guess it's the question of whether or not you want to attempt to

[0:02:52] Voice 8: restrict it in any way to farm worker or it's just a second dwelling unit right and

[0:02:59] Voice 8: that's you'd see the effectively amending the bylaw to remove to replace

[0:03:05] Voice 8: the dwelling unit with dwelling unit and then you have a size restriction but then it

[0:03:12] Voice 8: doesn't doesn't restrict it effectively anyway whether or not they work

[0:03:18] Trustee Grove (probable): sorry my question though

[0:03:20] Trustee Grove (probable): was do we have to have a covenant why no but we can restrict it um as well as has been proposed

[0:03:26] Trustee Grove (probable): and i kind of like that personally and i think your point about the value of the property is

[0:03:31] Trustee Grove (probable): a good one but i don't think we need a covenant which i i've always thought were awkward and

[0:03:37] Trustee Grove (probable): difficult to manage i'm

[0:03:42] Voice 8: not getting any kind of reaction sorry just just to clarify the

[0:03:46] Voice 8: The recommendation from staff is yes to remove the requirement for a covenant, but still

[0:03:52] Voice 8: have the use be a farm or post dwelling unit, which restricts the use of that to...

[0:03:58] Voice 11: Then I like that.

[0:03:59] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:04:00] Voice 11: The

[0:04:04] Voice 20: issue is bona fide farming.

[0:04:06] Voice 20: Is the farm being farmed?

[0:04:09] Voice 20: And if it's being farmed, then the second dwelling is allowed.

[0:04:14] Voice 20: The concern is that somebody buys the farm and lives there in two dwellings, and regardless

[0:04:26] Voice 20: of what is there any way of linking it to property as being there

[0:04:39] Voice 8: is there is a requirement in the

[0:04:42] Voice 8: bylaws written that it's classified as a farm under the assessment act which means that at

[0:04:47] Voice 8: least at the time that the permit's granted it's a farm but there's nothing that would say that

[0:04:53] Voice 8: that's right there's no there's no mechanism to ensure that it continues to be farmed the only

[0:05:02] Voice 8: mechanism to provide any sort of follow-up would have been that they

[0:05:08] Voice 8: would allow for something is

[0:05:32] Voice 20: worthy of having that option we're not gonna be

[0:05:42] Voice 20: able to force it anyway so as long as we've got the farming farm I think from

[0:05:56] Trustee Grove (probable): appearances point of view our intent is it to support but the reality is they

[0:06:05] Trustee Grove (probable): also be supporting another source of income but anyway I didn't belabor it I

[0:06:14] Trustee Grove (probable): I mean, I do acknowledge, and I have heard this from others,

[0:06:18] Trustee Grove (probable): that removing those restrictions altogether

[0:06:20] Trustee Grove (probable): could have a significant value of the farm,

[0:06:23] Trustee Grove (probable): if that farm were more expensive than it would have been

[0:06:26] Trustee Grove (probable): otherwise.

[0:06:26] Trustee Grove (probable): The house

[0:06:28] Voice 20: is built, it's built, that's the issue.

[0:06:31] Voice 20: Through the conversation from the Ag Alliance,

[0:06:41] Voice 20: they were concerned about this being,

[0:06:44] Voice 20: permission being allowed to farms that are not in the ALR.

[0:06:48] Voice 20: My understanding, we had that other bylaw

[0:06:50] Voice 20: that we were working on, where that is in the process

[0:06:53] Voice 20: and wasn't able to talk at that last meeting so I couldn't ask, my understanding was that

[0:07:00] Voice 20: by-law sort of addressed the larger farms that are not in ALR by allowing them that

[0:07:07] Voice 20: option to exchange so that there's a potential for dwellings.

[0:07:12] Voice 8: Yeah, that's a good point. It's actually, it is within this by-law as well if you look

[0:07:16] Voice 8: at section 2.4. At the

[0:07:20] Voice 7: bottom

[0:07:34] Voice 8: there, 3.17. Currently there's a provision in the bylaw

[0:07:38] Voice 8: that allows large farms, 20 hectares plus, to have up to three dwellings if two of them are engaged

[0:07:46] Voice 8: in farming activities. This would allow additional densities on properties that have subdivision

[0:07:54] Voice 8: potential without subdivide essentially is what it comes down it is a bit um there are some uh

[0:08:03] requirements placed upon applicants for that right like

[0:08:06] Voice 8: that does require various covenants

[0:08:10] Voice 8: through the process it does it does allow for large farms outside of the alr to realize some

[0:08:20] Voice 8: additional density without

[0:08:24] Voice 20: takes care of some of the farmers that do own historic farms that are

[0:08:29] Voice 20: Yeah.

[0:08:30] Voice 8: It might not respond to smaller farms. How do they get additional dwellings on there?

[0:08:46] Voice 20: Bylaw 530 might take care of that.

[0:08:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, obviously what we're doing is we're preparing the bylaw, the intentions of the LTC to get this to our community information meeting in public here.

[0:09:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so it may be that there will be other changes as we advance this.

[0:09:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): But right now we need to rescind the first reading, we need to make amendments, and then

[0:09:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): we need to give a second and third reading.

[0:09:21] Voice 3: What's the thing got?

[0:09:23] Voice 20: Well, I mean, I hated the tone of that meeting we had last week.

[0:09:33] Voice 20: This bylaw was meant to make them, to try to help them out.

[0:09:37] Voice 20: So I'm concerned that what we thought was helping may not be helping, if it is or isn't.

[0:09:43] Voice 20: so that's my only concern majority

[0:09:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): has provided some clarity on the farm housing and other

[0:09:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): non-alt land which is one of the two points and the other bylaw is addressing some of that

[0:10:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): and actually also raise

[0:10:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): just a moment of flag is the whole thing about composting and that would

[0:10:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): be good to have an

[0:10:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): idea of where we're going with composting later nothing to do with this so what's

[0:10:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): the flesh where they all can see to get to this

[0:10:29] Voice 20: ready for the next round well we should probably

[0:10:31] Voice 20: make those amendments that we just discussed so that we can at least have an amended and decide

[0:10:38] Voice 20: the next step i

[0:10:40] Voice 8: just sent uh some wording for robert thank

[0:10:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): you so let's start off with rescinding

[0:10:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): the first one that's the easy

[0:10:49] Voice 20: one no no oh oh okay oh so you have to rescind it first then make

[0:10:53] Voice 20: amendments yeah okay yeah

[0:10:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'll

[0:10:58] Trustee Grove (probable): move with the first reading of sourcing island local trust committee

[0:11:01] Trustee Grove (probable): bylaw number five two six cited as salt spring island land use bylaw number three five five

[0:11:06] Trustee Grove (probable): nineteen ninety nine amendment number three twenty twenty one you rescinded moved seconded

[0:11:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustee patrick thank you um all those in favor that carries the

[0:11:18] Trustee Grove (probable): source of trust committee bylaw

[0:11:19] Trustee Grove (probable): number five two six cited as social media no we have to

[0:11:22] Trustee Grove (probable): amend it first that's where we're

[0:11:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): sorry yeah

[0:11:27] Voice 8: there's there's no actual amending resolution in the list here so you've just sent

[0:11:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): it to rob and rob

[0:11:32] Voice 8: on the

[0:11:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): screen here it is so take a moment just to read that and determine

[0:11:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): if that meets your needs right

[0:11:43] Voice 3: there thank you rob tell

[0:11:47] Voice 11: me what you've done

[0:11:56] Voice 9: what you already sent me was that the south spring level testimony amend proposed bylaw

[0:12:01] Voice 9: under 526 by making the following changes to the proposed bylaw the mx3 of the staff report

[0:12:07] Voice 9: dated july 12 2020. striking the word immediate from the definition of farm worker dwelling unit

[0:12:17] Voice 9: striking the requirement for a comment i

[0:12:22] Voice 8: think the informational notes are it's clear what those

[0:12:25] Voice 8: changes should be i don't know that they're actual like parts of the bylaw as opposed to

[0:12:31] Voice 8: So it's quite awkward to add all the striking out

[0:12:36] Voice 20: information

[0:12:38] Voice 8: notes that are contained within

[0:12:40] Voice 8: the amendment.

[0:12:41] Voice 20: So

[0:12:46] Voice 8: then it would be adding removing by an association to which

[0:13:07] Voice 3: striking

[0:13:12] Voice 8: the words or

[0:13:15] Voice 8: by an association which the owner of the agricultural land belongs to.

[0:13:44] Voice 25: Captured. Is there anything else?

[0:13:51] Voice 20: I'll move that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee amend proposed by-law number 526 by making the following changes to the proposed by-law.

[0:13:58] Voice 20: Striking the word immediate from the definition of crime worker dwelling unit. Striking the requirement for striking before by association to the original land belongs.

[0:14:23] Voice 20: And

[0:14:23] Trustee Grove (probable): I'll second that.

[0:14:24] Trustee Grove (probable): Trustee

[0:14:26] Voice 9: Patrick speaking.

[0:14:27] Voice 9: There

[0:14:27] Voice 20: was other strikethrough in there, so are we just assuming that...

[0:14:31] Voice 8: i think if you if you move or

[0:14:34] Voice 20: not strike you but additionally yeah

[0:14:35] Voice 8: if you if you move the um

[0:14:38] Voice 8: yeah appendix three yeah so yeah so i mean the to be specific i think the actual the inclusion

[0:14:46] Voice 8: of the covenant there is perhaps redundant but it doesn't really do anything yeah

[0:14:50] Voice 8: moved

[0:14:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): and seconded any discussion all those in favor so that carries and now we can proceed

[0:14:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the second first reading again yeah

[0:15:01] Voice 8: so the recommendation is first and second and then

[0:15:03] Voice 8: Okay, so

[0:15:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll go back to

[0:15:08] Trustee Grove (probable): page 73, the recommendation.

[0:15:09] Trustee Grove (probable): Move that the Salisbury Island note, trust me, bylaw number 526, cited as Salisbury Island

[0:15:16] Trustee Grove (probable): land use bylaw number 355, 1999, amendment number 3, 2021, be as amended, be read a first

[0:15:22] Trustee Grove (probable): time.

[0:15:23] Voice 3: Move.

[0:15:24] Voice 3: Seconded.

[0:15:25] Voice 3: Any further discussion?

[0:15:27] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[0:15:28] Voice 3: That carries.

[0:15:29] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:15:30] Voice 20: Move that the Salisbury Island note, trust me, bylaw number 526, cited as Salisbury

[0:15:44] Voice 3: seconded any further discussion all those in favor that carries can

[0:15:48] Voice 20: we before we make the next one

[0:15:52] Voice 20: say again i'd like to have some discussion before the next motion so it's very loud

[0:16:00] Voice 10: just trying to speak up and turn down background noises i don't have my hearing in the engine

[0:16:05] Voice 10: that's the problem

[0:16:06] Voice 3: it's noisy yeah

[0:16:09] Trustee Grove (probable): it's better to stick them out altogether that's

[0:16:12] Voice 3: what i find

[0:16:12] Voice 3: Go ahead Laura.

[0:16:17] Voice 20: I'd like to understand, I know there's a public information session being planned, but what's important to me is the materials that are being prepared for that.

[0:16:31] Voice 20: These things are complicated to misunderstand. And I look at other areas that are dealing with housing and they always have just plain English information that's written so that it's not by a lot of ease at all.

[0:16:47] Voice 20: So I'm just curious as to what was intended for materials to be prepared

[0:16:53] Voice 20: with open houses. I know you were hoping to have it planned for like July 21st, which I

[0:17:00] Voice 20: think it's just the middle of farm season, it's the middle of tourism season,

[0:17:09] Voice 20: families that are here are way on vacation. I'm just not sure how useful a

[0:17:14] Voice 20: time period that's going to be and I'd rather see this time used for preparing

[0:17:19] Voice 20: materials that will describe all of this is easier.

[0:17:24] Voice 20: We

[0:17:30] Voice 18: are working at a very tight time.

[0:17:37] Voice 18: Having said that, it's up to you if you want to delay it.

[0:17:40] Voice 18: I have no planner after August.

[0:17:45] Voice 18: 22nd is Jordan's last day.

[0:17:47] Voice 18: So, because this is the bylaw that he has been working on,

[0:17:52] Voice 18: he's able to answer a lot of questions that I actually don't have that kind of background on.

[0:17:57] Voice 18: So that's why we set that time to be on the 21st.

[0:18:01] Voice 18: But

[0:18:10] Voice 20: what materials? That's great that he can answer those questions.

[0:18:15] Voice 20: Would his time be better spent creating materials that explain this simply?

[0:18:21] Voice 18: We could certainly do some, maybe a sheet, one sheet, one page of Q&A, just to do some summary.

[0:18:30] Voice 20: I'm thinking more just to be able to describe what's being allowed, in English, what's being allowed.

[0:18:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So a paragraph or two that explains what we're enabling.

[0:18:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[0:18:48] Voice 20: understand the timeline of planners and things, but I'm also, you know, we want the project to be successful and for people to feel understood and that we're not.

[0:18:57] Voice 20: there's a fine line of rushing and being prepared useful okay

[0:19:08] Voice 18: so

[0:19:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you want a

[0:19:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): motion for that effect so

[0:19:18] Voice 8: you

[0:19:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't just do that as part of the scheduling the

[0:19:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): public information session preparing that material okay yeah

[0:19:29] Voice 8: so I guess

[0:19:30] Voice 8: something around that is the desired date helpful though it says I can double

[0:19:39] Voice 8: said the you know that looking ahead the next LTC meeting is August 9th so

[0:19:44] Voice 8: there's less than a month turnaround time if the LTC wanted to consider these

[0:19:50] Voice 8: bylaws you know 526 and 530 again at the August meeting quickly so it's a

[0:19:56] Voice 8: question of how quickly the process wants to go in order to achieve the

[0:20:03] Voice 8: answer to take it across the line keeping

[0:20:05] Voice 8: in mind that yes the the end of

[0:20:08] Voice 8: term is fast approaching and

[0:20:10] Voice 21: the

[0:20:11] Voice 8: ability to conclude the work will be after this.

[0:20:17] Voice 20: Well, I understand that. It's just it's our local bylaws as we're going through the process and here we're kind of like squeezing out one little one in the middle of the summer.

[0:20:30] Voice 20: Well,

[0:20:31] Voice 3: there are different resources available to them.

[0:20:33] Voice 20: I understand that, but we are one company or organization that, you know, it's very frustrating.

[0:20:41] Voice 20: And I want people to have the opportunity to truly understand what we're trying to do

[0:20:47] Voice 20: and get good input, not just yelling and screaming, it's useless.

[0:21:02] Voice 20: Would it be fair to ask our chair of the housing group about the timing of the open houses and things?

[0:21:10] Voice 20: Because I think it's probably a closer demographic to the people who need to be involved than any of us at this table.

[0:21:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Certainly fine by me.

[0:21:17] Voice 20: So

[0:21:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): are you suggesting that we push this off into the...

[0:21:23] Voice 20: I'm curious to hear from

[0:21:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): some of

[0:21:26] Voice 20: these working and living for...

[0:21:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): If you can be brief, yeah.

[0:21:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): We've got some time, not much time remaining.

[0:21:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Not

[0:21:34] Voice 20: knowing where bylaw 530 is going yet, because we haven't discussed it,

[0:21:37] Voice 20: but if we had this and that bylaw apparent, what kind of communication...

[0:21:43] Voice 5: Well, I

[0:21:44] Voice 20: think as

[0:21:47] Voice 5: far as the cultural portion, it certainly needs time to do it.

[0:22:11] Voice 5: That's

[0:22:16] Voice 20: what's being proposed.

[0:22:17] Voice 20: Yeah,

[0:22:17] Voice 5: let's do it. Let's try to communicate.

[0:22:28] Voice 5: It's not ideal timing, but we can't wait until September.

[0:22:31] Voice 5: So, here we are.

[0:22:33] Voice 5: How

[0:22:42] Voice 20: far can we push it before the next August 9th meeting?

[0:22:47] Voice 20: July 21st is it? Is all that we have to venue?

[0:22:53] Voice 20: that

[0:22:56] Voice 8: um agenda deadlines really get before you miss the agenda report deadline in person

[0:23:11] Voice 8: just worried

[0:23:22] Voice 20: about people i'm not here on july 21st so sorry sorry chair what do you mean by both

[0:23:29] Voice 20: people could you know be a virtual meeting to get information and as well as

[0:23:37] Voice 18: the way we sent out the

[0:23:39] Voice 18: The message is to have, we have this conversation with a planner program.

[0:23:47] Voice 18: It's been in place for a long time.

[0:23:50] Voice 18: People did sign up to talk to a planner.

[0:23:52] Voice 18: So we are promoting that at the same time.

[0:23:55] Voice 18: So if anyone has any questions, they can still reach out to the planner virtually.

[0:24:07] Voice 8: I think a hybrid meeting would be challenging to staff

[0:24:13] Voice 8: respond to people online as well as in person, just logistically, unless they wanted to sort

[0:24:20] Voice 8: of just tune in to listen, but I'm not sure.

[0:24:34] Voice 20: presentation of the changes that were proposed and then we had some, you know, Q&As afterwards.

[0:24:39] Voice 20: And actually there were very few Q&As because most everyone said the presentation resolved,

[0:24:46] Voice 20: you know, their questions they needed.

[0:24:48] Voice 20: it so yeah and they've been they've been making them all virtual over the summer

[0:24:54] Voice 20: um for north pender and it's been but

[0:24:58] Voice 8: that's completely virtual completely which you know

[0:25:03] Voice 8: could be done it but you know there's always a pros and cons and

[0:25:09] Voice 20: in the evenings okay well this

[0:25:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): is what four of six that's late afternoon not necessarily evening i guess but is that

[0:25:19] Voice 20: Where's the timing?

[0:25:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Four till six.

[0:25:22] Voice 20: Four till six.

[0:25:23] Voice 20: Chair,

[0:25:25] Voice 18: if I understand correctly, are you, is LTC considering doing virtual but have more than one meeting?

[0:25:35] Voice 3: No.

[0:25:36] Voice 3: And

[0:25:41] Voice 18: as far as the timeline, like I already explained, I'm certainly personally would be really concerned about not having support majority on this bylaw.

[0:25:50] Voice 18: all and I understand that if you feel you want to push it off and do it later

[0:25:57] Voice 18: then I would need a lot more time so I can digest but right now I have a lot on

[0:26:02] Voice 18: my plate and

[0:26:03] Voice 18: that's why I just cannot dive into any one thing to give it the

[0:26:08] Voice 18: attention that it needs so

[0:26:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): let me just ask for clarity here so we've got the

[0:26:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): 21st of July schedule 4 till 6 for an open house which is in person it sounds

[0:26:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): to me like we perhaps would prefer this to be a virtual meeting well

[0:26:26] Voice 20: i'm just like could we have

[0:26:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): an additional could we have

[0:26:28] Voice 20: one additional meeting be virtual then have one in person and one virtual

[0:26:32] Voice 20: just to be fair to people busy and traveling and

[0:26:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): so i think the answer there is that if i'm not

[0:26:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): mistaken that planet gordon is not available after the 26th um

[0:26:45] Voice 18: i'm just wondering what if we have

[0:26:49] Voice 18: in the morning it's virtual and then in the evening 4 to 6 is in person after

[0:26:57] Voice 20: that 4 to 6 in person and then do anything one after that virtually or do

[0:27:03] Trustee Grove (probable): the whole thing virtually why not just to have a virtual meeting that's what

[0:27:10] Trustee Grove (probable): and we're getting used to it and more

[0:27:13] Voice 20: people can join yeah I

[0:27:15] Trustee Grove (probable): would just make

[0:27:16] Trustee Grove (probable): it virtual there we

[0:27:17] Voice 20: make it a lot easier and kind of like more likely that people

[0:27:20] Voice 20: can attend so the time

[0:27:22] Voice 18: and the date is okay yeah change

[0:27:25] Voice 20: it to virtual yeah

[0:27:27] Voice 11: okay not

[0:27:29] Voice 20: just me and i

[0:27:29] Voice 20: think that if you do a presentation plain english presentation in the beginning um it'll be the

[0:27:41] Voice 20: materials that you

[0:27:41] Voice 20: need sorry geordie okay

[0:27:51] Voice 7: would

[0:27:53] Voice 18: that be okay to make a motion for that yeah well

[0:27:57] Trustee Grove (probable): Well,

[0:27:57] Voice 18: we would adjust on fall, just change fall.

[0:28:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): So would you like to make a motion, Trustee Paschal?

[0:28:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): So you want me to?

[0:28:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just did, as

[0:28:07] Voice 7: Paul would say, it's

[0:28:07] Voice 7: going to be a virtual one, looking at the open houses.

[0:28:24] Voice 8: Oh, public hearing.

[0:28:28] Voice 8: Yeah, there's no date attached to that motion, necessarily.

[0:28:33] Voice 8: We

[0:28:33] Voice 20: just say schedule a virtual public information meeting.

[0:28:37] Voice 20: Sure, I'll do that.

[0:28:38] Voice 20: So you can just modify

[0:28:39] Voice 27: that existing motion.

[0:28:41] Voice 20: I move that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:28:43] Voice 20: REQUEST STAFF TO SCHEDULE A VIRTUAL PUBLIC INFORMATION

[0:28:47] Voice 20: SESSION AND A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SALT SPRING ISLAND LOCAL TRUST

[0:28:53] Voice 20: COMMITTEE BY-LAW NUMBER 526 CITED AS SALT SPRING ISLAND LAND

[0:28:56] Voice 20: USE BY-LAW NUMBER 355, 1999, AMENDMENT NUMBER 3, 2021.

[0:29:01] Voice 20: I

[0:29:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): 'LL SECOND THAT.

[0:29:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'LL SECOND.

[0:29:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): AND SO THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THAT IS ON JULY THE 21ST FOR

[0:29:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): TORSEGO.

[0:29:07] Trustee Grove (probable): CORRECT.

[0:29:08] Voice 8: THE OPEN HOUSE.

[0:29:11] Voice 8: VIRTUAL.

[0:29:12] Voice 8: YEAH.

[0:29:13] Voice 8: THE OPEN HOUSE IS DIFFERENT.

[0:29:15] Voice 8: Yes, so the public hearing will be held another time another day.

[0:29:20] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:29:21] Voice 3: So that's understood.

[0:29:25] Voice 3: Okay, so moved and seconded? Any further discussion?

[0:29:27] Voice 3: All those in favor? All right, that carries.

[0:29:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): So there's a couple of

[0:29:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): other items here.

[0:29:34] Voice 8: I'm sorry, Chair, I can just clarify in the report.

[0:29:44] Voice 8: Well, it was in the report.

[0:29:45] Voice 8: Okay, I just didn't know if you wanted me to speak to it or not.

[0:29:48] Voice 3: Oh, I see.

[0:29:52] Voice 3: I move

[0:29:54] Voice 3: that

[0:29:56] Voice 20: the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee add an increase of setbacks

[0:30:00] Voice 20: for any new uses from all lot lines adjacent to the mcfadden creek nature sanctuary of 200 meters

[0:30:07] Voice 20: and increase of setbacks for any new uses from all lot lines adjacent to other

[0:30:14] Voice 20: island trust conservancy conservation areas to 30 meters to the salt spring island local trust

[0:30:22] Voice 20: committee's land use bylaw amendments project list second

[0:30:27] Trustee Grove (probable): that all

[0:30:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): right moved and seconded

[0:30:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): any further discussion all those in favor so that carries so i believe that concludes 526

[0:30:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): unless there's something else sorry chair

[0:30:41] Voice 8: just if if um i don't know if this is the appropriate time

[0:30:44] Voice 8: to discuss the composting no i'm

[0:30:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): sorry i mentioned it i think it'll come up on the project for a

[0:30:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): it well

[0:30:54] Voice 20: we just have to add it to the project so we can

[0:30:56] Voice 20: do it through correspondence um yeah

[0:30:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): at the moment i'm cognizant of managing our time because we've got two more items here on projects

[0:31:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we've got a closed meeting and i want to give you everybody a lunch break um before we have to

[0:31:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): reconvene at noon so

[0:31:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's try and proceed accordingly otherwise we'll perhaps delay

[0:31:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): delay the closed meeting until after we do the rest of the meeting um so proposed bylaw number

[0:31:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): 530 excessive redwelling units for consideration of second reading leonard gordon over to you on

[0:31:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): page 138. oh

[0:31:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): sorry okay sorry i'll

[0:31:40] Voice 18: be happy to help i'm sure i think to do that

[0:31:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'd be happy

[0:31:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): too so over to you i see that right about

[0:31:47] Voice 18: sorry rpm

[0:31:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): acting rpm are we by the way recording and

[0:31:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): streaming or just recording recording perfect

[0:31:55] Voice 18: good work

[0:31:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): rob sorry

[0:32:00] Voice 18: i'm not on that page yet

[0:32:02] Voice 3: yeah it's all right on 38. okay

[0:32:12] Voice 18: so this is just a brief presentation because uh i think there's not

[0:32:17] Voice 18: a lot to present but i'd rather save some time for discussions and questions and essentially this is

[0:32:23] Voice 18: This is a revision to the version that we brought before LTC, Accessory Browser Limit.

[0:32:31] Voice 18: And also, for LTC, we started that formal referral process.

[0:32:38] Voice 18: So this revision basically incorporates comments and concerns from agencies and from the community

[0:32:44] Voice 18: to the extent we can.

[0:32:47] Voice 18: And so we brought the second version back before you.

[0:32:51] Voice 18: One thing I do want to point out is that Say Out Nation did not have enough time.

[0:32:56] Voice 18: They requested to have more time.

[0:32:58] Voice 18: So that may still be common from that particular nation for us to consider.

[0:33:07] Voice 18: But in general, the agencies, they refer, and it's in the staff report, page 141,

[0:33:15] Voice 18: all ADUs still need to go through the building permit process.

[0:33:19] Voice 18: So a lot of the concerns would be addressed, like water, building code issues, all of that,

[0:33:25] Voice 18: and sewer system.

[0:33:27] Voice 18: So that's why we're not prescriptive in the AD use itself, in the regulatory itself, because

[0:33:35] Voice 18: a lot of it is not within our jurisdictions when it comes to building code issues.

[0:33:39] Voice 18: So we did propose to broaden the districts that would allow, or the zones that would

[0:33:47] Voice 18: allow ADU's as we press it by LTC and essentially the definitions basically

[0:33:57] Voice 18: saying we're allowing ADU's that meaning it's really just any type of accessory

[0:34:06] Voice 18: residential drawing form for example like cottage cottages, cabins, garden

[0:34:13] Voice 18: garden suites we're not restricting to it like the original version so having said that a lot

[0:34:20] Voice 18: of the standards that we propose are carried over from the original cottages and secondary suites

[0:34:28] Voice 18: so nothing is really drastically different other than the first version we are not allowing detached

[0:34:37] Voice 18: attached accessory dwelling units for anything less than 1.2 hectares.

[0:34:42] Voice 18: In this version, we said we would allow it, but the square foot agents would be smaller,

[0:34:48] Voice 18: so it's 56.

[0:34:49] Voice 18: Sorry, the what?

[0:34:50] Voice 18: The square, the whole area would be small.

[0:34:55] Voice 18: So that being said, I don't think anything else is substantially different.

[0:35:00] Voice 18: One thing I do want to point out is it's an office site.

[0:35:04] Voice 18: there are three sections that in the appendix the second version that we

[0:35:12] Voice 18: missed putting it on which is as a result of this proposal we should delete

[0:35:18] Voice 18: section 9.9.4 9.10.4 that cite the zone variance that talks about cottages so

[0:35:28] Voice 18: we're proposing to delete those so when you make the motion we will ask that you

[0:35:33] Voice 18: include that change. So I think it's best to just answer questions that you might

[0:35:43] Voice 18: have with this proposed bylaw.

[0:35:47] Voice 18: I

[0:35:47] Trustee Grove (probable): mean, so does this answer and align the recommendations made by the committee?

[0:35:54] Voice 18: Sorry, even I have a hard time hearing.

[0:35:56] Trustee Grove (probable): Yeah, it's hard. Does this address the concerns raised by the committee and their

[0:36:02] Trustee Grove (probable): recommendations that, because I'm a bit confused, that it be introduced to all

[0:36:07] Trustee Grove (probable): zones

[0:36:07] Voice 18: we're not saying all zones because one thing is we're also trying to do

[0:36:13] Voice 18: this AD use without having to trigger the OCP amendment so OCP has some

[0:36:19] Voice 18: specific provisions or for example like rule up line that talks about low

[0:36:24] Voice 18: density so we try not to trigger the amendment of the OCP whatever the

[0:36:31] Voice 18: The video is not up.

[0:36:33] Voice 18: So whatever the zone that we are recommending is where we feel will not triple the OCP amendment.

[0:36:46] Voice 18: No, sorry, the one I sent you.

[0:36:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): So presumably, if the LTC wants to address that more broadly, there can be incremental change,

[0:37:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): but it will require an OCP amendment, which we're trying to avoid doing.

[0:37:06] Trustee Grove (probable): Because of the time.

[0:37:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[0:37:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laura Patrick?

[0:37:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): My

[0:37:10] Voice 20: concern is, though, where are seasonal cottages allowed right now?

[0:37:15] Voice 20: Because are we opening up a can of worms by, you're basically now striking seasonal cottages,

[0:37:23] Voice 20: which are allowed in other zones, and now we're removing those seasonal cottages.

[0:37:30] Voice 20: That's going to make people, why are we trying to, you know, I'm really concerned about that.

[0:37:46] Voice 20: To me, if we already allow a seasonal cottage in the rural uplands, we're not violating

[0:37:51] Voice 20: the OCP, they're already allowed there. And the impact of someone living in their seasonal

[0:37:58] Voice 20: cottage for 45 days, which they don't do, and 45 days of the driest time of the year

[0:38:05] Voice 20: versus 365 days of someone who actually respects and lives there, you know, so I'm concerned

[0:38:12] Voice 20: that why we're not equal in where a seasonal cottage is allowed.

[0:38:26] Voice 8: Sorry, the question is under the current?

[0:38:28] Voice 8: Under the current.

[0:38:30] Voice 20: Where can you build a seasonal cottage today?

[0:38:32] Voice 20: because basically you're striking us so we should be at least mimicking yeah if

[0:38:38] Voice 20: you can have a

[0:38:38] Voice 20: seasonal cottage why can't you have a cottage well

[0:38:44] Voice 8: it's my understanding is that sort of that

[0:38:46] Voice 8: seasonal cottage is being put into the definition of accessory dwelling right yeah

[0:38:50] Voice 21: so

[0:38:51] Voice 8: it's consistent

[0:38:53] Voice 8: with where seasonal cottages are permitted currently which

[0:39:02] Voice 7: um zones i think i think it

[0:39:07] Voice 7: It's a

[0:39:08] Voice 20: comprehensive development zone down in the south there, off of Stewart, that allows

[0:39:15] Voice 20: seasonal cottages, I know.

[0:39:17] Voice 21: Sorry, what zone was that?

[0:39:18] Voice 20: It's a comprehensive development zone.

[0:39:23] Voice 18: We didn't change that.

[0:39:24] Voice 18: This is, right now, we're proposing to focus on...

[0:39:27] Voice 20: Well, if you're

[0:39:27] Voice 20: removing seasonal, you're saying cut season, if you're removing seasonal

[0:39:30] Voice 20: cottages, then you would be stripping them from where they're already allowed, isn't

[0:39:38] Voice 20: that correct?

[0:39:38] Voice 20: I just want to make sure that if a seasonal cottage is allowed today, that

[0:39:46] Voice 20: it's allowed tomorrow.

[0:39:51] Voice 8: The CD3 zone should be.

[0:39:56] Voice 8: We're missing one.

[0:39:57] Voice 20: We're missing a zone. CD3?

[0:40:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Comprehensive Development Zone 3 should be included by law.

[0:40:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is that what you're saying?

[0:40:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is

[0:40:12] Voice 20: that the only one that's missing?

[0:40:16] Voice 20: I did not do it.

[0:40:18] Voice 8: I

[0:40:18] Voice 20: just know that one's missing.

[0:40:20] Voice 8: 431.

[0:40:54] Voice 20: They're caucusing.

[0:40:55] Voice 20: We're

[0:41:04] Voice 18: going to figure out what's the cleanest way to fix it.

[0:41:08] Voice 18: We'll note that and then we'll figure out what's the cleanest way.

[0:41:13] Voice 20: I just want to make a comment. I did go through all permit cottages.

[0:41:33] Voice 20: North Pender allows secondary

[0:41:36] Voice 20: suites anywhere with no minimum lot size.

[0:41:41] Voice 20: They do have a 1.2

[0:41:44] Voice 20: hectare for cottages. There's no restriction.

[0:41:49] Voice 20: not being built out like crazy. So, and this is the same on South Pender, has cottages

[0:42:00] Voice 20: that are bigger, that they allow 0.8 hectares and greater. Saturna allows them on 0.21 hectares.

[0:42:11] Voice 20: It's funny how we have a lot of varieties across our islands here. But they're allowed,

[0:42:17] Voice 20: allows them, and above. No wait, no they restrict the size. One hectare and less is restricted

[0:42:34] Voice 20: restricted to 646 square feet over one hectare, they're allowed 93 square meters, and Galeano

[0:42:44] Voice 19: is a

[0:42:45] Voice 20: 0.4 hectare outright use for cottage.

[0:42:50] Voice 20: So we're not seeing wild building of cottages across these other islands and their rural

[0:42:59] Voice 20: characters being maintained so I know I want to see the Covenant requirement

[0:43:08] Voice 20: removed I think that that's just adding a layer that's unnecessary so we just

[0:43:17] Voice 20: have to look at other islands in our own area and see that we're not seeing

[0:43:24] Voice 20: overbuilding of cottages and secondary suites I thought the accessory

[0:43:36] Voice 20: The accessory dwelling unit definition still pretty much reads it.

[0:43:41] Voice 20: I assume Appendix 2 is the version that we're looking at, right?

[0:43:44] Voice 20: Yeah.

[0:43:45] Voice 20: I think we need to clean that up as a recommended thought.

[0:44:03] Voice 20: Simplified, I'm just worried that we're going to confuse people,

[0:44:08] Voice 20: especially with tiny homes.

[0:44:10] Voice 20: you know we should use strict i went and read so many other um jurisdictions that do define

[0:44:19] Voice 20: accessory dwelling units and they just define them very high level um but then they'll some

[0:44:25] Voice 20: of them keep using the term you know the cottages or carriage houses

[0:44:29] Voice 20: that they also define um and

[0:44:32] Voice 20: secondary suites so i'm just thinking we're trying to do too much with that definition

[0:44:36] Voice 20: when we can't even have tiny homes on wheels aren't even off or tiny homes don't exist yet

[0:44:42] Voice 20: we can't legally have them because they can't have a building permit so i think we're confusing people

[0:44:47] Voice 20: by having too detailed a definition there an accessory dwelling unit i think we should just

[0:44:52] Voice 20: simplify it nobody i mean i looked at the fuka i looked at central saanich i looked at

[0:44:59] Voice 20: none of our other islands have accessory dwelling units yet they're all looking at us because we'd

[0:45:03] Voice 20: be the first um but they'll use a simpler definition on accessory dwelling unit i can't

[0:45:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): help but think there's a lot of potential tweaking and changes here and i'm not and you're you guys

[0:45:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): are thinking on the fly which i appreciate i wonder whether or not we shouldn't actually

[0:45:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): give staff the opportunity to have a conversation over this between now and the afternoon to come

[0:45:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): come back with something a little bit more concrete than trying to work on the fly i know

[0:45:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's an interest in advancing it so i wouldn't want to delay it beyond this meeting but um would

[0:45:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): you like the opportunity to have a conversation outside of advancing the business meeting ahead

[0:45:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): of us to come back with some suggestions later this afternoon so

[0:45:58] Voice 18: cherry if i understand correctly

[0:45:59] Voice 18: Correctly, you need to tweak it and clean it up a bit, and then

[0:46:03] Voice 18: resend it again.

[0:46:05] Voice 18: Other

[0:46:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): than deferring it to the next meeting, which is the other one.

[0:46:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right, yeah.

[0:46:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm guessing the LTC

[0:46:11] Voice 25: probably doesn't want to do that.

[0:46:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): No, we'd like to move ahead.

[0:46:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[0:46:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): So if I

[0:46:15] Voice 18: understand correctly, LTC wants to simplify the definition and to strike out the covenant requirement.

[0:46:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[0:46:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, so I'd like to be

[0:46:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): sure that you are certain that that's the appropriate action given the context of the work ahead of us and avoiding any unforeseen.

[0:46:43] Voice 20: We have a recommended definition on accessory dwelling units, and that exists, so it doesn't have to be written.

[0:46:52] Voice 20: I can

[0:46:54] Voice 18: certainly do a little bit of, you know, cleanup.

[0:46:58] Voice 18: Okay,

[0:46:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): so is that all right with the LPC, so that we can enter into this with certainty?

[0:47:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so how about we just then defer 8.2 until later in the agenda.

[0:47:16] Trustee Grove (probable): And I would also like staff to be looking at ways of allowing us to introduce the whole zone.

[0:47:22] Trustee Grove (probable): The committees are set to work on this with staff, and the committee is recommending this is what should be done.

[0:47:28] Trustee Grove (probable): And I'm not very good at opening up the OCD, but I imagine it doesn't really need to be opened up for people with that.

[0:47:35] Trustee Grove (probable): And also the second recommendation that there be no minimum lot size restriction.

[0:47:41] Trustee Grove (probable): I shall leave.

[0:47:42] Voice 20: Well, I can say, I definitely, I think secondary suites is, to me, that's the one that absolutely should be no lot size limit.

[0:47:51] Voice 20: Wherever you can have a house, you should be able to have a secondary suite.

[0:47:54] Trustee Grove (probable): Within the existing building.

[0:47:56] Trustee Grove (probable): The sewer, exactly.

[0:47:56] Trustee Grove (probable): But I agree.

[0:47:57] Trustee Grove (probable): I also agree that we should be able to have an ADU.

[0:48:00] Trustee Grove (probable): This is the recommendation that we need.

[0:48:02] Voice 20: Well, the secondary suite is an ADU.

[0:48:07] Voice 20: Yeah, the question is cottages.

[0:48:09] Trustee Grove (probable): Yeah, and I have no problem with that.

[0:48:15] Trustee Grove (probable): Could we allow Ronan to speak to this?

[0:48:19] Voice 5: I just have a quick question for clarification, Chair.

[0:48:23] Voice 5: Very quick and it'll really help you.

[0:48:26] Voice 5: So part of my comments earlier,

[0:48:28] Voice 5: I didn't realize,

[0:48:29] Voice 5: I didn't make the difference between appendix one and appendix two.

[0:48:32] Voice 5: So if I understand this correctly, the accessory dwelling unit, the detached accessory dwelling

[0:48:42] Voice 5: unit is being allowed in under 1.2 hectares just with restricted lot size.

[0:48:46] Voice 5: So that, it's solved.

[0:48:49] Voice 5: That's okay.

[0:48:50] Voice 5: That's perfectly reasonable.

[0:48:51] Voice 5: I didn't see that before.

[0:48:53] Voice 5: So I'd just like to express gratitude that that is, and that's what we're after.

[0:49:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right.

[0:49:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right. So can we defer this to, I would suggest, somewhere along after the other business,

[0:49:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then we'll advance this in the context of what is proposed here.

[0:49:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): So if that's all right then, at the moment, then I'm going to go to Ganges Village Planning,

[0:49:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): the Ideas Workshop Summary. That's here for our information.

[0:49:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know are there it's a fantastic report I really enjoyed the way it was

[0:49:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): presented and there's certainly lots of interesting things to be learned from it

[0:49:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): so trustees do you want to do anything further with this other than receiving

[0:49:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): for information this time okay okay and that's great so then what I'd like to do

[0:49:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): then is uh go uh if that's all right time permitting here to go into a closed meeting

[0:49:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): i don't anticipate that could take a lot of time but i'm often been wrong but let's do that and uh

[0:50:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then we'll break until noon after that so so

[0:50:11] Trustee Grove (probable): i'll move the social local trust committee to

[0:50:12] Trustee Grove (probable): close this meeting to the public subject to community charter section and staff be invited

[0:50:17] Trustee Grove (probable): like to remain okay

[0:50:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): i moved seconded laura patrick all right second all those in favor

[0:50:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): that carries so well would you mind closing the door on your way up thank you and so um

[0:50:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): to call this in-camera meeting to order we have an agenda before us i am grateful to be meeting

[0:50:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): in coastal territory

[0:50:44] Voice 3: beautiful

[0:50:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): and with great respect we have some anything else to add to

[0:50:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): the agenda no then we'll adopt the agenda as presented uh previous meeting minutes

[0:51:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're still recording perfect

[0:51:10] Voice 3: okay and you're on

[0:51:12] Voice 9: first hello gary

[0:51:21] okay

[0:51:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): welcome back everybody thank you for joining us

[0:51:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): My name

[0:51:46] Voice 1: is Peter Luckman. I'm

[0:51:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): elected on Thetis Island. That's in the Lackland Territory here in the Coastal Sea.

[0:51:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): I am grateful every day for living and working here.

[0:51:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): as I know that many of you are here on Salt Spring Island today in the southern

[0:52:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): portion of the Gulf Islands is often thought of as the or is the home to many

[0:52:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): many First Nations and there are lots of opportunities to learn more about the

[0:52:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): culture and history of this place if you choose to seek it out I would recommend that I'm

[0:52:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm joined here today by Laura Patrick and Peter Grove, both locally elected trustees.

[0:52:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm surrounded by a supportive staffer, a bingo of minutes on technology today.

[0:52:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): And thank you, Rob.

[0:52:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): We've had some challenges.

[0:52:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Unfortunately, we are unable to live stream today because the network is just not working adequately.

[0:52:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): We are recording a meeting, however, and it will be posted to the website later.

[0:52:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): later uh i am uh we'll be joined by the important planner uh charlie a fire technician welcome new

[0:53:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): employee of the allen's trust and out in the back there i see jason yeomans also with us today and

[0:53:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): of course last but not least director gary from the

[0:53:12] Trustee Grove (probable): crd request from the public we can't hear you

[0:53:17] Trustee Grove (probable): well

[0:53:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): i will try and speak louder um the air conditioning

[0:53:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): is out I thought I projected well perhaps not so we've conducted quite a

[0:53:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): bit of business this morning as we usually are administrative mostly in

[0:53:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): nature advancing projects I will rise and report that we adopted minutes of

[0:53:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): the in camera sessions and that's all to the rise and report from camera session

[0:53:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we're going to go to trustees' reports as the first item, and then correspondence

[0:53:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): and public input and delegations, and so, trustees, who wants to go first?

[0:54:02] Voice 20: I believe it's me.

[0:54:04] Voice 20: I think it's a really important time right now.

[0:54:10] Voice 20: I think we're facing a lot of change, a lot of needs, and it's more important than ever

[0:54:22] Voice 20: that our decisions need to be balanced and acutely aware of social, environmental, and

[0:54:28] Voice 20: economic elements, but also rooted in sustainability and justice.

[0:54:34] Voice 20: And we need solutions that solve more than one problem.

[0:54:40] Voice 20: We need to be able to deal with a number of the crises that we're facing.

[0:54:44] Voice 20: And it's for this reason I am intending to run again for the privilege to serve this

[0:54:54] Voice 20: island and continue to do my best to try to bring that approach to the decisions

[0:55:02] Voice 20: that need to be made this time. Also some of the conversations we had this

[0:55:11] Voice 20: morning, I think my fellow trustees got to hear me be kind of grumpy a couple of times, and that's short-term vacation

[0:55:16] Voice 20: rentals. I'm very

[0:55:18] Voice 20: frustrated that through Salt Spring and Southern Gulf Islands that we have to

[0:55:22] Voice 20: have a better way of managing that. What we're doing now is not working, it's

[0:55:26] Voice 20: frustrating and we've got to find a way to make it make it work and do an affair but in a way that

[0:55:39] Voice 20: addresses the issue and not just continue to play whack-a-mole our bylaw enforcement is doing an

[0:55:47] Voice 20: incredible job out there but it's it's a game that cannot be won and we need to we need to change

[0:55:54] Voice 1: those odds

[0:55:54] Voice 20: in Windeck. I met with BC Housing and a number of Salt Spring

[0:56:04] Voice 20: organizations that provide services to homeless and at risk of homelessness

[0:56:09] Voice 20: along with our MLA Adam Olson. Part of the conversation was really

[0:56:18] Voice 20: talking about we need an organization whether it's BC Housing or who we have

[0:56:25] Voice 20: to make that decision that needs to lead a coordinating an effort to to do some housing

[0:56:31] Voice 20: or poverty reduction strategies for the island um you know we have the housing that the sport

[0:56:37] Voice 20: of housing that will be coming up at drake road uh at some point in the future with the 28 units and

[0:56:43] Voice 20: that's going to be 28 people that will have a home that's fantastic but we know we have far more than

[0:56:48] Voice 20: 28 that are in trouble on this island and that we need to have a have a plan and i don't have an

[0:56:54] Voice 20: answer for you yet we really need to find a lead organization that's going to take up that role to

[0:57:00] Voice 20: get that planning in action because i think a lot of people are going to expect that housing to

[0:57:04] Voice 20: solve some of the issues but it's not going to look much different than it does right now and

[0:57:10] Voice 20: so let's get at that as usual i've had a number of meetings even though it's the summer months

[0:57:18] Voice 20: you'd think it'd be getting quieter. I had to substitute for a chair on

[0:57:24] Voice 20: Gabriola Island and so it was fun to go up to Gabriola and get to meet them.

[0:57:30] Voice 20: Also chairs Thetis Island and North Pender has been going through a number

[0:57:34] Voice 20: of community information meetings on their extensive land use bylaw review

[0:57:40] Voice 20: project that they're trying to bring to a close. Last week we met with the AAPC,

[0:57:47] Voice 20: the agricultural advisory planning committee and the ag alliance talking primarily about the bylaw

[0:57:53] Voice 20: 526 that we've discussed this morning so the housing for agricultural properties at two

[0:57:59] Voice 20: executive committee meetings we had trust council which i'll let our chair get into the details from

[0:58:03] Voice 20: from trust council but an important element of that was the request of the province to to do

[0:58:10] Voice 20: a review on the structure the governance of the islands trust and that's in a positive way there's

[0:58:14] Voice 20: There's so much frustration, so much that's coming at us, and some disagreements on understanding

[0:58:22] Voice 20: what is it we're supposed to be doing, and this isn't a time to be having those disagreements.

[0:58:26] Voice 20: This is where we need to be all working together to tackle these issues, so I hope the province

[0:58:33] Voice 20: will take us up on that offer.

[0:58:36] Voice 20: Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance also has been meeting, and there's a strategic

[0:58:42] Voice 20: strategic planning exercise that we're going through

[0:58:45] Voice 20: for really trying to improve the coordination

[0:58:47] Voice 20: of all of the agencies.

[0:58:50] Voice 20: And there's numerous agencies that are involved

[0:58:52] Voice 20: in the protection of watersheds on this island.

[0:58:54] Voice 20: And again, we have to be working good together.

[0:58:57] Voice 20: I really want to pass on congratulations

[0:59:00] Voice 20: to the Southern Gulf Island Tourism Partnership.

[0:59:02] Voice 20: They got their application into the CMHC

[0:59:05] Voice 20: for the Housing Supply Challenge.

[0:59:07] Voice 20: This was no small feat.

[0:59:10] Voice 20: and we have our fingers crossed it's a total of a million dollars that they're asking for

[0:59:16] Voice 20: and this is for salt spring and the southern gulf island region to to really build the capacity to

[0:59:22] Voice 20: support those agencies that are trying to bring housing online our islands which is challenging

[0:59:29] Voice 20: to say the least um you know and i think everyone thinks it's hard it's hard on islands as is and

[0:59:38] Voice 20: And so I'm really, they'll know, I think, later in September if they've been successful.

[0:59:44] Voice 20: And that's my report.

[0:59:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Laura.

[0:59:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Grip.

[0:59:48] Trustee Grove (probable): Thank you, Laura.

[0:59:49] Trustee Grove (probable): And I'm delighted to hear that you are definitely running again.

[0:59:53] Trustee Grove (probable): I am not.

[0:59:55] Trustee Grove (probable): After 11 years, I think I've done my bit and I've enjoyed it.

[1:00:00] Trustee Grove (probable): This isn't my parting speech, I assure you, but I do want you to know that I will be endorsing you wholeheartedly because I want to see you back in this saddle for this island where I think you can do a great deal of good.

[1:00:14] Trustee Grove (probable): Since the last meeting, I've attended various meetings also, including the AAPC meeting where we talked about housing for farm workers.

[1:00:24] Trustee Grove (probable): that's covered in a report which we have dealt in dealing with at this

[1:00:31] Trustee Grove (probable): meeting 8.1 and also trying to ease the restrictions on housing which will

[1:00:40] Trustee Grove (probable): provide hopefully additional housing for Islanders following that the meeting of

[1:00:47] Trustee Grove (probable): the Housing Action Committee chair was here and again trying to make it

[1:00:54] Trustee Grove (probable): easier to have affordable housing on this island. We covered that under 8.2. That section is not

[1:01:02] Trustee Grove (probable): complete yet, so we will be talking about it in a little while. And I think some of the changes

[1:01:08] Trustee Grove (probable): that are being proposed will indeed help our housing crisis. I attended a Zoom meeting

[1:01:18] Trustee Grove (probable): meeting held by ISED and Rogers to deal with the tower on Channel Ridge.

[1:01:26] Trustee Grove (probable): It was disappointing, quite frankly.

[1:01:29] Trustee Grove (probable): We had no idea how many people were there.

[1:01:32] Trustee Grove (probable): Did you have any idea how many people were there?

[1:01:34] Trustee Grove (probable): Which I found frustrating.

[1:01:36] Trustee Grove (probable): It could have been 200, it could have been 2,000 for that matter, but we didn't know.

[1:01:40] Trustee Grove (probable): It was very much a one-sided conversation.

[1:01:42] Trustee Grove (probable): I have to say I was hugely impressed by Julian Clarke, who represented the group and spoke extremely, first of all, calmly and in a very respectful manner.

[1:02:02] Trustee Grove (probable): He's got a presentation on pages 237 and 238 of this report, which I urge you to have a look at.

[1:02:11] Trustee Grove (probable): By where that will go, I'm not sure, but it's very clear that Rodgers and I concurred that

[1:02:19] Trustee Grove (probable): they hadn't actually done what they were meant to do.

[1:02:23] Trustee Grove (probable): But where that goes, I'm not sure at this point.

[1:02:27] Trustee Grove (probable): I actually believe that they can go ahead with or without our final approval.

[1:02:35] Trustee Grove (probable): But it was an interesting, as I say, conversation and I suspect it's not, we haven't seen the end of that.

[1:02:44] Trustee Grove (probable): So, Chair, that's my report and we'll be hearing more on these subjects as the day proceeds, I'm quite sure.

[1:02:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Very good. Thank you, Peter.

[1:02:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter. So from my perspective, you know, this sort of period is for me as post-trust counsel happened earlier in June,

[1:03:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): where on the executive committee, we get the opportunity to look after administrative business before we launch into preparing for the next trust counsel,

[1:03:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): which is in September. And of course, this is the summertime.

[1:03:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): TIME. SO I THINK THE ONLY ITEMS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADVISE IS THE ONLY ITEM IS TRUST PROGRAMS

[1:03:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): COMMITTEE MET LAST FRIDAY WHICH WAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT COMMITTEE TO SIT TOGETHER

[1:03:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): MOSTLY FACE TO FACE IN FACT WHICH WAS VERY PLEASANT TO REVIEW EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED

[1:03:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to the trust policy statement work and I'm told we won't be

[1:03:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): getting to first reading this term or the next council but certainly there

[1:03:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): will be a revised draft that will embrace many of the things that we heard

[1:04:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): through our public consultation and so that'll be coming back to us and I would

[1:04:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): recommend that everybody read it that is interested in the trust policy statement

[1:04:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): work our leading principles guiding principles document and that will be

[1:04:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): coming forward certainly the worldwide you can't help but note that these are

[1:04:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): certainly interesting and strange times with so many things going on as a

[1:04:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): result of who knows what but I reflect on those things as well that's all for

[1:04:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): me I'm gonna go to the regional this regional director Gary Foreman for your

[1:04:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): report sir uh

[1:04:43] Voice 22: thanks peter and as always thanks for inviting me to the town hall um i did want

[1:04:49] Voice 22: to mention the uh successful fire hall referendum yay uh after several attempts um it it it does

[1:04:58] Voice 22: come at a cost one can argue whether the costs are incremental or not but uh that's a great

[1:05:05] Voice 22: achievement for this community and the I believe the voter turnout was much

[1:05:12] Voice 22: higher than for the last fire hall vote and the yes vote was 75 percent which

[1:05:19] Voice 22: I'm not sure we've gotten 75 percent on just about anything else and it was

[1:05:24] Voice 22: particularly remarkable because of the controversy around the fire hall so

[1:05:28] Voice 22: that's a great achievement for the community and what goes along with that

[1:05:32] Voice 22: package is that the CRD will be acquiring the Ganges fire hall site we

[1:05:40] Voice 22: will not take ownership for four years which means the fire district gets to

[1:05:44] Voice 22: use that property for four years why they're building the new building the

[1:05:49] Voice 22: the fire fire district and the CRD have agreed that the ideal use for that

[1:05:57] Voice 22: that building would be to repurpose it

[1:05:59] Voice 22: for a year round food market,

[1:06:02] Voice 22: but we have to examine the feasibility of that

[1:06:04] Voice 22: very carefully.

[1:06:05] Voice 22: If we repurpose the building,

[1:06:08] Voice 22: it means we have to bring it up

[1:06:09] Voice 22: to the current building code,

[1:06:12] Voice 22: which would not be an inexpensive endeavor.

[1:06:17] Voice 22: I've had a conversation with a well-known builder

[1:06:19] Voice 22: on the island who does large projects,

[1:06:22] Voice 22: who is certain that that's feasible,

[1:06:25] Voice 22: but feasible doesn't address cost.

[1:06:29] Voice 22: I'm sure it's feasible.

[1:06:31] Voice 22: The question would be how costly it will be.

[1:06:34] Voice 22: So we'll have four years to examine those possibilities.

[1:06:37] Voice 22: If we can use the building for a year round food market,

[1:06:41] Voice 22: essentially extending the Saturday market over to that site,

[1:06:44] Voice 22: that would be great.

[1:06:45] Voice 22: If we can't, and we have to demolish the building,

[1:06:48] Voice 22: it'll still be a public space.

[1:06:50] Voice 22: In my view, it would be space to expand the market,

[1:06:54] Voice 22: both food market and saturday market it still will be a valuable asset so uh not only have uh

[1:07:01] Voice 22: as a result of this campaign uh now approved the construction of a new post-disaster fire

[1:07:08] Voice 22: hall we've also acquired the uh the ganges site um which uh i'll people know that the

[1:07:17] Voice 22: the parking lot in front of that building is a MOTI property. I think the chances are very good

[1:07:24] Voice 22: once CRD acquires the property that we'll be able to get a long-term tenure, possibly even

[1:07:30] Voice 22: have that property transferred, which means CRD would control that parking lot,

[1:07:35] Voice 22: which does open up some possibilities around pedestrian and cycling infrastructure.

[1:07:39] Voice 22: The possibility of a roundabout at that intersection has been discussed, and if we

[1:07:44] Voice 22: own that parking lot it could create that possibility so it's just it's a it's

[1:07:50] Voice 22: a big win for our community and our community should be congratulated

[1:07:54] Voice 22: because it the cost of new fire hall is considerable but I think I think the

[1:08:01] Voice 22: community came to understand at the end that you know we had to replace the

[1:08:05] Voice 22: Ganges fire hall and we've done it so it's a great accomplishment we can now

[1:08:09] Voice 22: move on to other priorities. Some more good news, I'm an elected official so I'm

[1:08:16] Voice 22: all about the good news, I never talk about the bad news, but the Mount Maxwell

[1:08:23] Voice 22: property, the CRD, this is an initiative by Salt Spring Solutions who've already

[1:08:30] Voice 22: done, had fundraising, considerable fundraising, they got the landowner to

[1:08:36] Voice 22: donate basically half the value of the property back 75 acres adjacent to the mount maxwell park

[1:08:42] Voice 22: and the north salt spring protected watershed there is standing force there that can be

[1:08:49] Voice 22: protected but it also has a high recreational value which is why it's parks and rec that's

[1:08:56] Voice 22: moving that project forward parks and rec is they contributed 50 000 to do the due diligence

[1:09:02] Voice 22: like the appraisals, the survey work, the purchase agreement, negotiating with the landowner.

[1:09:10] Voice 22: In addition to that, Parks and Rec out of their land acquisition fund is contributing $250,000.

[1:09:18] Voice 22: There remains a $350,000 funding gap where the community has to step up.

[1:09:25] Voice 22: Historically, Salt Spring has been pretty successful at protecting lands

[1:09:29] Voice 22: and we're very optimistic we can do that in this case.

[1:09:34] Voice 22: So congratulations to the Salt Spring Solutions

[1:09:36] Voice 22: who brought the project forward.

[1:09:39] Voice 22: Great thanks to the landowners who donated back

[1:09:44] Voice 22: 50% of the land value.

[1:09:48] Voice 22: The local community commission is now

[1:09:55] Voice 22: on the community's agenda.

[1:09:58] Voice 22: the CRT board will be giving three readings to two bylaws copies of which are at the front desk

[1:10:07] Voice 22: the the you can get the on the CRT website you can get digital copies there'll be copies at the

[1:10:16] Voice 22: CRT office and at the library so have a close look at the bylaws essentially what they do is

[1:10:23] Voice 22: broadens CRD representation on Salisbury so instead of one elected official the

[1:10:29] Voice 22: CRD director representing 11,000 people for series services the LCC which

[1:10:39] Voice 22: includes the director the director plus four elected officials at large it would

[1:10:45] Voice 22: be akin to a council but just overseeing series services so it broadens

[1:10:50] Voice 22: representation all of the decision is now made by the director behind the

[1:10:56] Voice 22: scenes and there are a number that are made behind the scenes sometimes

[1:11:00] Voice 22: involving substantial dollars or policy initiatives the LCC is one of them so in

[1:11:13] Voice 22: any case it brings those decisions out into regularly scheduled public meetings

[1:11:19] Voice 22: rather than decisions being made behind the scenes.

[1:11:23] Voice 22: I'm not saying those decisions are bad.

[1:11:25] Voice 22: I think we've been well served by our current system.

[1:11:28] Voice 22: You look at the accomplishments of this community

[1:11:30] Voice 22: over the last couple of decades,

[1:11:31] Voice 22: and I would compare that to any community of our size,

[1:11:34] Voice 22: but the LCC will broaden that representation,

[1:11:37] Voice 22: bring those decisions out into the public

[1:11:40] Voice 22: and consolidate our siloed service delivery.

[1:11:45] Voice 22: So the four island-wide

[1:11:48] Voice 22: series of commissions now, Parks and Rec, Economic Development, Liquid Waste and Transportation,

[1:11:53] Voice 22: they oversee eight services. All of those would come under the auspices of the LCC. Those commissions would be dissolved.

[1:12:01] Voice 22: We'll have to find other ways to get community input. I don't think there's going to be a problem getting community input.

[1:12:07] Voice 22: I don't think elected officials here suffer from lack of community input. We have

[1:12:12] Voice 22: to deal with that.

[1:12:13] Voice 22: so in addition to those eight services there's another three including for

[1:12:17] Voice 22: example grants and aid which right now the director decides on thousands of

[1:12:21] Voice 22: dollars a year that the director decides on no public meeting grants and aid will

[1:12:26] Voice 22: now be subject they'll be on LCC agenda discussed in the public and there'll be

[1:12:31] Voice 22: a decision in public so there's three other services and then there's three

[1:12:35] Voice 22: contribution services to the library search and rescue and the arts those

[1:12:41] Voice 22: will be advisory there's some additional services that are not included most

[1:12:46] Voice 22: notably community works funding which actually amounts to hundreds of

[1:12:51] Voice 22: thousands of dollars a year we need to bring those under the auspices of the

[1:12:54] Voice 22: LCC as well we can do that over time let's get some experience with the

[1:12:59] Voice 22: creature but voters have to approve it it will be going to voters on October

[1:13:03] Voice 22: 15th the same time as the election so voters will have three months to examine

[1:13:11] Voice 22: and decide on October 15th whether they want to broaden CRD representation.

[1:13:19] Voice 22: Again, really look at the bylaw carefully.

[1:13:22] Voice 22: Don't believe what I say.

[1:13:23] Voice 22: Don't believe what anyone else says.

[1:13:26] Voice 22: Read the bylaws for yourself.

[1:13:28] Voice 22: But the LCC is being delegated real authority here.

[1:13:32] Voice 22: And there's two bylaws.

[1:13:34] Voice 22: The establishment bylaw lists the services that the LCC will oversee.

[1:13:38] Voice 22: see the delegation by law describes the degree of authority over those services so there's two

[1:13:45] Voice 22: separate uh bylaws which seems a bit complicated but actually the advisory committee that i set up

[1:13:53] Voice 22: that included representation from the four island-wide commissions the two improvement

[1:13:57] Voice 22: districts plus the former crd senior manager on salt spring plus the president of the chamber

[1:14:03] Voice 22: he wasn't representing the chambers not advocating here I'm just saying that

[1:14:08] Voice 22: person happens to be president of the chamber they recommended splitting the

[1:14:13] Voice 22: bylaws because if you want to increase the degree of authority in the future

[1:14:18] Voice 22: which is defined in here using language like direct authorize create all very

[1:14:25] Voice 22: active verbs connoting authority if you want to increase that degree of

[1:14:31] Voice 22: authority, you can do it without going to voters. If you want to

[1:14:34] Voice 22: add to the list of services,

[1:14:36] Voice 22: like if we wanted to include community works under the auspices of the LCC, you have to go

[1:14:42] Voice 22: back to voters for approval, which some would argue is cumbersome. Others might argue that's

[1:14:48] Voice 22: democracy. Voters should approve. If we're going to extend or enhance the powers of the LCC, voters

[1:14:56] Voice 22: should get to say yes or no. Probably the logical time to do that would be at the next election

[1:15:02] Voice 22: because referenda are costly. I did want to just quickly mention SDVRs. Laura brought it up.

[1:15:13] Voice 22: I do agree that business licenses would help to enforce SDVR zoning regulations, and on

[1:15:22] Voice 22: bring their band they're not necessarily a panacea people will have heard fairly

[1:15:29] Voice 22: recently in Victoria there are an estimated 1,000 STV yards operating in

[1:15:34] Voice 22: Victoria half of those are licensed and Victoria is having to take those folks

[1:15:39] Voice 22: who refuse to get a license just like folks here refuse to respect the zoning

[1:15:44] Voice 22: you still have to have access to the court so the other tool I think that

[1:15:50] Voice 22: would be helpful here would be to include salt spring in the speculation and vacancy tax all

[1:15:57] Voice 22: municipalities of the crd are included that the three electoral areas were excluded the ministry

[1:16:02] Voice 22: of finance now is seriously considering inclusion of other areas including the gulf islands so

[1:16:13] Voice 22: fingers crossed there that's not a regulatory approach it's a taxation approach so if you own

[1:16:18] Voice 22: a house on salt spring and it's not rented out for at least six months a year you will pay a higher

[1:16:24] Voice 22: tax if you are a non-resident you'll pay even higher tax so there's a a strong annual property

[1:16:31] Voice 22: tax disincentive to uh empty houses that are just being just being that are being rented to tourists

[1:16:38] Voice 22: rather than uh residents of salt spring i think business licenses can help the question in my mind

[1:16:47] Voice 22: is should it be the trust or should it be the CRD that applies because the

[1:16:52] Voice 22: province would have to agree to give us authority or electoral area they'd have

[1:16:57] Voice 22: to agree to give either the CRD authority or the trust in my view

[1:17:01] Voice 22: business licenses would be an extension of land use authority it makes every bit

[1:17:06] Voice 22: as much sense for the trust to apply for that authority as for the the CRD will

[1:17:12] Voice 22: we'll have to sort that out.

[1:17:14] Voice 22: Just one final thing about the Severy's and Drake Road.

[1:17:21] Voice 22: Sorry to go on, Peter.

[1:17:24] Voice 22: And about the affordable housing issue on Salt Spring.

[1:17:30] Voice 22: We do absolutely do need to do more.

[1:17:33] Voice 22: I think we should understand and recognize

[1:17:36] Voice 22: that we are having some success.

[1:17:40] Voice 22: This term alone, there have been 120 units

[1:17:43] Voice 22: of affordable housing created on Salt Spring.

[1:17:46] Voice 22: That includes Salt Spring Commons,

[1:17:48] Voice 22: that includes Croftonbrook,

[1:17:50] Voice 22: that includes the Seabreeze Inn,

[1:17:52] Voice 22: which the Hospital Foundation, bless them,

[1:17:55] Voice 22: have purchased and will be repurposing

[1:17:57] Voice 22: for health worker housing.

[1:17:59] Voice 22: That includes the 28 units of supported housing

[1:18:01] Voice 22: on Drake Road, 120 units this term.

[1:18:06] Voice 22: I'm not saying, you know, job done.

[1:18:08] Voice 22: I'm saying, understand that we are having some success here

[1:18:12] Voice 22: And the trust, we'll be considering the Seabreeze today, has been involved in virtually every one of them except for Drake Road where BC Housing has tenure over the property and they've declared paramount seat.

[1:18:24] Voice 22: They still have to meet current regulations around water and waste disposal, etc.

[1:18:29] Voice 22: But we are having some success in actually creating new housing and then add to that the trust initiatives around legalizing properties for suites and cottages.

[1:18:38] Voice 22: hundreds and hundreds of them that are not necessarily impacted by the North

[1:18:44] Voice 22: Salt Spring moratorium so my in my view we need to keep doing what we are doing

[1:18:50] Voice 22: I also take a very pragmatic view about moving buses Drake Road 28 units there's

[1:18:59] Voice 22: a first reading at the trust for 80 so there's over 50 units of development

[1:19:03] Voice 22: potential there Seardy owns the property we'll be talking to NGOs we'll be

[1:19:07] Voice 22: talking to bc housing about develop further developing that property we're approving

[1:19:12] Voice 22: additional water on it now dragonfly the crd is in uh discussions with dragonfly about taking over

[1:19:19] Voice 22: their water system because it's an ownership model they have to establish a utility so we're working

[1:19:25] Voice 22: with dragonfly so that's 80 units right there uh that those are the sorts of things those are

[1:19:31] Voice 22: moving buses that we need to concentrate on as well as other initiatives salt spring does have

[1:19:37] Voice 22: have the capacity to accomplish fairly large developments,

[1:19:41] Voice 22: not as large as in Greater Victoria.

[1:19:43] Voice 22: They're not 150 units large, but they are larger

[1:19:47] Voice 22: and we definitely have more capacity here than,

[1:19:50] Voice 22: for example, the Southern Gulf Islands.

[1:19:52] Voice 22: So in my view, we just need to keep doing what we are doing.

[1:19:56] Voice 22: We don't need to reinvent the wheel.

[1:19:59] Voice 22: I did visit the temporary units that are being established

[1:20:04] Voice 22: at Kings Lane by BC Housing.

[1:20:06] Voice 22: and the hospital foundation has been working hard on that so those units are

[1:20:11] Voice 22: capable of taking all of the Seabreeze tenants they are all air-conditioned

[1:20:17] Voice 22: they're self-contained they don't need sewer water hookup they'll have a power

[1:20:21] Voice 22: generator they're completely self-contained I visited the site today

[1:20:25] Voice 22: the contractors they're there on the site you can go visit them and they're

[1:20:31] Voice 22: they're very confident that they're going to be established by the time the

[1:20:35] Voice 22: Seabreeze tenants need to decant it is unfortunate that the Seabreeze tenants are being disrupted

[1:20:41] Voice 22: once again although consider the fact that two years ago those folks didn't have housing at all

[1:20:48] Voice 22: so yes they're being disrupted for maybe a half a year but they will eventually move into the

[1:20:53] Voice 22: Drake Road supported housing so again ultimately their BC housing unfortunately didn't follow

[1:21:01] Voice 22: through on its promises of having that housing ready by the end of June but

[1:21:05] Voice 22: they the hospital foundation live you put their feet to the fire and basically

[1:21:10] Voice 22: force them to you know put up or shut up and you see housing is putting up so in

[1:21:17] Voice 22: the end there'll be an excellent outcome where the Seabreeze folks most of them

[1:21:24] Voice 22: some of them already gone to Crofton brook will be moving into the supported

[1:21:27] Voice 22: housing facility, and the Seabreeze will be providing housing for health workers for 15,

[1:21:34] Voice 22: 16, 18, I'm not sure, 18 health workers. So in the end, that's an incredibly positive outcome

[1:21:42] Voice 22: for Salt Spring. And again, I know as an elected official, I tend to want to emphasize that the

[1:21:49] Voice 22: glass is half full, but the glass is half full. And I think as a community, we need to understand

[1:21:55] Voice 22: that because if you think everything's going to a hell of a handbasket it

[1:21:59] Voice 22: really does influence how you approach politics how what you think of

[1:22:05] Voice 22: candidates where you know what do we need to incorporate because everything

[1:22:08] Voice 22: is just not working well in fact there's a lot of things on Salt Spring and I've

[1:22:13] Voice 22: described a few of them today that are working under our current system and we

[1:22:18] Voice 22: can make our governance system more democratic on the CRD side with not a

[1:22:24] Voice 22: a whole lot of effort. When you go to elect your trustee and your CRD director school district

[1:22:30] Voice 22: in the fall, you can say yes or no on a referendum to broaden representation for the CRD. Thanks,

[1:22:37] Voice 22: Peter. Thank you.

[1:22:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Gary, for your holistic, positive, half-full cup outlook on

[1:22:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): the universe. That's fantastic. I'm just going to make a remark, and I'm going to change it in that

[1:22:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): tone to say that the local community commission is fantastic body however the

[1:22:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): acronym LCC when you say it fast can easily be mistaken for the LTC and so

[1:23:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's really great that the LTC will get the credit for all of the things

[1:23:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): that the LCC does or not but I think probably the less we use acronyms

[1:23:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): generally would be better for everybody and I would

[1:23:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): recommend using local

[1:23:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): community commission but it's impossible

[1:23:26] Voice 22: Peter could I just pick them on that the

[1:23:29] Voice 22: it's called a commission that's problematic because people tend to say

[1:23:35] Voice 22: okay well we've got all these other Commission's that's what this is it's

[1:23:40] Voice 22: not what this is we need to find a different name some folks object to

[1:23:44] Voice 22: counsel because they say look this isn't a municipality don't pretend it's an

[1:23:48] Voice 22: corporation so don't use council but we do have to find another word because people think it's it's

[1:23:54] Voice 22: the same as our appointed commissions now it's not

[1:23:58] Voice 22: they're elected at large just like the crd

[1:24:01] Voice 22: director and for those delegated services the crd director will have one vote of five as opposed to

[1:24:07] Voice 22: being the person who makes the decision about say what the requisition is for parks and rec or or

[1:24:15] Voice 22: or transportation uh we need to find a better name yeah thank you that's my tip so thank you

[1:24:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): for all the other work that you do and really glad that you're here today um so we're going to

[1:24:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): move now into the correspondence uh section um we received uh quite a number of uh messages

[1:24:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): earlier on in june and throughout june with respect to uh the rogers uh tower of the channel

[1:24:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Ridge project which you're all quite familiar with there's 28 pieces of

[1:24:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): correspondence and I don't want to disrespect any one of them they're all

[1:24:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): very good bits of information with varying levels of detail for us to

[1:24:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): consider but I think that I would ask the LTC whether or not you want to

[1:25:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): receive those for information at this time and there's two items at thirteen

[1:25:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): 13.23 and 13.24 that are other different items,

[1:25:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): but I just wanna ask you what you would like to do

[1:25:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the 28 items that are in that list

[1:25:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): and whether or not there's any individual one

[1:25:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): that you wish to speak to

[1:25:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): or receive them all for information.

[1:25:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustees?

[1:25:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laura Patrick.

[1:25:30] Voice 20: Well, in regard to 13.1 and the Rogers,

[1:25:35] Voice 20: I was not able to be at that meeting

[1:25:39] Voice 20: that was called last week with somewhat rather short notice and I have not been

[1:25:45] Voice 20: privy to the conversations that perhaps you've had with with the various parties

[1:25:49] Voice 20: and so where do we stand and do do we need to issue another letter to them in

[1:25:58] Voice 20: in regard to their last correspondence of the, what was it, the ISED had provided?

[1:26:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): May 17th.

[1:26:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): I guess that's a decision of the LTC as to how you want to pursue this.

[1:26:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't know whether we're anticipating a report from Rogers at this point.

[1:26:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Obviously, post, I was telling folks around me that we were not responsible for the Rogers outage,

[1:26:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): as a result of the meeting that we had the evening before that.

[1:26:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): And there's no doubt I've tried to communicate with them

[1:26:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): to try and provide access to the video that was recorded

[1:26:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that others can see what transpired.

[1:26:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I've not had any communication,

[1:26:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): but clearly they probably have every man on deck,

[1:26:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): every man and woman on deck looking after their business.

[1:26:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): So not sure what to expect from them.

[1:26:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): them.

[1:26:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Have we heard anything that causes us to drift in one direction or another, I think is the

[1:27:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): fundamental question.

[1:27:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Grove.

[1:27:09] Trustee Grove (probable): Peter Grove Well, again, we have this excellent letter

[1:27:12] Trustee Grove (probable): from Julian Clarke, and he summarizes by saying that we should inform Rogers that they must

[1:27:20] Trustee Grove (probable): withdraw their plans immediately as they have no authority to begin construction, and furthermore

[1:27:26] Trustee Grove (probable): make it clear to rogers that any development without ltc and first nations concurrence

[1:27:30] Trustee Grove (probable): is illegal um i simply don't know if that is so or not um i would like advice on that

[1:27:37] Trustee Grove (probable): um there's no doubt about it that um rogers and and i said have been heavy-handed in this and that

[1:27:44] Trustee Grove (probable): i mean i can't remember if i said this earlier it's been on my mind so much

[1:27:48] Trustee Grove (probable): but they opened the meeting, our Zoom meeting, by basically saying that they

[1:27:57] Trustee Grove (probable): had decided to go ahead with the construction by the end of the week, I

[1:27:59] Trustee Grove (probable): think, or something like that. I was deeply offended by that. We had made it

[1:28:04] Trustee Grove (probable): very clear to them that we were rescinding because we felt there had not

[1:28:08] Trustee Grove (probable): been adequate consultation with the community and we asked that that be done

[1:28:15] Trustee Grove (probable): and we also ask that they speak to First Nations and we also ask that they at

[1:28:22] Trustee Grove (probable): least consider the Islands of Trust Protocol, thank you very much, which had

[1:28:31] Trustee Grove (probable): not at that point been approved by the Local Trust Committee. So I'm not certain as

[1:28:38] Trustee Grove (probable): to what we can do, what authority we have, but it's clear to me that Roger's

[1:28:42] Trustee Grove (probable): just being very heavy-handed and not really too worried about what happens

[1:28:47] Trustee Grove (probable): because they have indeed decided in quotes to construct to continue with

[1:28:52] Trustee Grove (probable): their construction plan and in the very near future short of getting in an

[1:28:59] Trustee Grove (probable): injunction and which I don't think the local trust committee would be prepared

[1:29:04] Trustee Grove (probable): to do but others in the room might be so inclined I don't actually see what we

[1:29:09] Trustee Grove (probable): can do a

[1:29:11] Voice 20: minimum we should respond to that may letter saying we disagree yeah

[1:29:17] Trustee Grove (probable): yeah I

[1:29:18] Voice 20: mean to me that's a minimum and

[1:29:20] Trustee Grove (probable): also express our you know

[1:29:22] Trustee Grove (probable): dissatisfaction with the way the whole thing has been handled sure

[1:29:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): I would just

[1:29:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): say that I have not said before is that ITSD did respond in that letter

[1:29:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): letter to us and they are not supporting or find rationale or reason for us to have

[1:30:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): rescinded and and and have advised Rogers of that and so Rogers in its

[1:30:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): inherent what it perceives as its right to pursue its business and indeed I too

[1:30:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): found it offensive in the presentation that they made that they were asserting

[1:30:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): that they were progressing and planning construction and so there didn't appear

[1:30:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): to be any genuine interest in what it is that the folks at Channel Ridge had to

[1:30:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): say that I did find that very disappointing I got to admit I was

[1:30:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): unable to stay for the entire length of it so I did miss the end of it and I'm

[1:30:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): waiting to hear back about the video availability to fully inform myself on

[1:30:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): the complete details of that conversation so as a result of the letter

[1:30:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): from itsd trustee patrick wrote uh to a letter addressed to me um to the director at or the

[1:31:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): individual at itsd expressing her concerns with what was said um and some things were said that

[1:31:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): itsd took as offensive um that resulted um in a conversation with me as the chair um

[1:31:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): advising me that they were and their staff were offended by the tone of the letter.

[1:31:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so, unfortunately, that promoted a conversation, which is not on the public record,

[1:31:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): about why it is that they disagreed with the letter that Trustee Patrick wrote

[1:31:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): and pointed out that, one, probably the most significant piece of information to share out of that

[1:31:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): was that Rogers and ITSD follow a process with respect to First Nations

[1:31:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): lands, rights and title, claims, archaeological sites, and everything that

[1:32:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): should be done, and I am advised by them that there is no record of that site

[1:32:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): having archaeological significance. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.

[1:32:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): I've never been there and I certainly have not heard anything from any

[1:32:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): First Nation to say so. So, you know, they are in their own sort of world there with their own

[1:32:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): information articulating their rejection of the LTC's wish to rescind, promoted by the community,

[1:32:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): and they intend to continue so that said if this LTC wants to write a further

[1:32:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): letter I think we need to be clear on what the facts are and the details of it

[1:33:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): and why it is that we disagree I certainly need to see the remainder of

[1:33:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): the session that was presented last Friday to be able to have a fully

[1:33:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): informed point of view there and they obviously touched on what they did

[1:33:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): whether or not they were not able to answer your questions fully I don't know

[1:33:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): so I'm just going to come to you in a moment but so I want to ask the LTC what

[1:33:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you want to do at this point because we have not decided to write to ITSD in

[1:33:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): response to their letter this is not necessarily the first opportunity to

[1:33:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): discuss it but um is now we have that opportunity to discuss it so what do you want to do what do

[1:33:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): you want to say i

[1:33:45] Trustee Grove (probable): i would well i would want a legal opinion before we have went to speak um

[1:33:52] Trustee Grove (probable): and that would will take some time and it'll be there'll be some cost associated with that

[1:33:58] Trustee Grove (probable): having said that i think it's worth the cost but we need to be on a on firm footing and i'm not

[1:34:03] Trustee Grove (probable): sure that we are. I'm not a lawyer as you know, but I'm not sure that we are on

[1:34:08] Trustee Grove (probable): firm footing. They, I said, responded to our letter in some detail explaining

[1:34:14] Trustee Grove (probable): why they were not agreeing to our rescindment and I just don't know. I'd

[1:34:22] Trustee Grove (probable): like legal advice. I think that's

[1:34:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): very wise because indeed if any of us, the LTC

[1:34:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): or the members of the public want to go through a litigative process with Rogers and ITSD,

[1:34:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think we need to be well-advised.

[1:34:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'd be happy to hear a motion to that effect.

[1:34:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Before we do that, let's see

[1:34:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): what Laura has to say.

[1:34:43] Voice 20: But, I mean, it's, does our rescinding stand?

[1:34:48] Voice 20: Can, you know,

[1:34:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): do

[1:34:50] Voice 20: we need to provide anything other than to rescind?

[1:34:53] Voice 20: the answer

[1:34:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): appears to be no

[1:34:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): but we need a legal opinion

[1:35:01] Trustee Grove (probable): sorry let's just follow that for a second

[1:35:03] Trustee Grove (probable): so of course we can rescind and we don't need to

[1:35:07] Trustee Grove (probable): change that but in order to then enforce our

[1:35:10] Trustee Grove (probable): rescindment of what do we do

[1:35:12] Trustee Grove (probable): I have no idea

[1:35:14] Trustee Grove (probable): I don't think writing

[1:35:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): a letter to ITSD will help because they're going to continue

[1:35:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): to deny it.

[1:35:24] Trustee Grove (probable): I wouldn't mind hearing from Julian Clark

[1:35:26] Trustee Grove (probable): not on the subject. Okay. Julian Clark,

[1:35:30] Trustee Grove (probable): please. Thank

[1:35:32] Voice 9: you very much.

[1:35:34] Voice 4: Thank you. It's a wonderful

[1:35:36] Voice 4: thing to hear the discussion and to get all of this out in the open. I want to answer just a

[1:35:43] Voice 4: couple of quick questions. Trustee Grove, initially you opened up and said, I don't know,

[1:35:50] Voice 4: you know, this is ISED, ISED, Rogers calls them, which is Innovation Science and Economic

[1:35:56] Voice 4: economic development. I said, you said may have the decision. If you take a look at CPC 2-0-03. It's very clear there that I said says this is a decision that's up to the local land use authority. And in less than one 10th of 1% of all antenna sighting cases do they have to get involved. And the only times they've gotten involved is when a land use authority basically just bans

[1:36:27] Voice 4: the the building and construction of cell towers you have not done that in terms of the call

[1:36:37] Voice 4: i asked for a copy of the recording on friday morning i received an answer today from michael

[1:36:44] Voice 4: krenz of rogers who said no it's their property they're not going to share that well and they

[1:36:50] Voice 4: plan to provide you with a report

[1:36:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): you

[1:36:53] Voice 4: and isid with a report be

[1:36:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): nice to know that you'd also

[1:36:57] Voice 4: indicated trustee Grove initially that I said we're on the call I don't believe

[1:37:02] Voice 4: they were on the call this was purely a Rogers and a Cypress Land Services call

[1:37:09] Voice 4: with us I don't believe I said we're on the call

[1:37:11] Trustee Grove (probable): I think you may be right

[1:37:12] Trustee Grove (probable): actually it sounds

[1:37:16] Voice 4: like you were on part of the call I hope you were there for my

[1:37:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): segment I missed your segment I do

[1:37:22] Voice 4: have access to a transcription if you'd like

[1:37:26] Voice 4: to hear the recording and you're unable to get one please let me know and i'd be happy to get you

[1:37:31] Voice 4: a copy of that recording

[1:37:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'd be disappointed if they didn't provide it let's give them a chance

[1:37:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): well

[1:37:36] Voice 4: they've already told me they're not going to provide it to the public yeah

[1:37:39] Voice 3: that's a difference

[1:37:41] Voice 4: it was a public meeting it's it's it's a bit frustrating you know okay so let's let's just

[1:37:48] Voice 4: talk a little bit about um what you've been contemplating um

[1:37:55] Voice 4: Um, you went, and I'm going to quote a couple of things here, on October 8th, the Salt Spring

[1:38:04] Voice 4: Local Trust Committee staff reached out to ICIT at your request, ICIT Spectrum Management

[1:38:11] Voice 4: and Telecommunications Branch, to seek guidance on options available to the Salt Spring Local

[1:38:16] Voice 4: Trust Committee post-issuance of the Statement of Concurrence.

[1:38:19] Voice 4: You received a response on October 13th.

[1:38:21] Voice 4: It was in writing.

[1:38:23] Voice 4: It was an email that was sent to Chris, uh, Planner Mays.

[1:38:27] Voice 4: It said, good day, Christine, and I'm quoting this.

[1:38:30] Voice 4: Good day, Christine.

[1:38:31] Voice 4: Rescinding a letter of concurrence is not typical in situations such as this.

[1:38:35] Voice 4: If you believe that the LTC based its decision on inaccurate or incomplete information, then you may be able to consider this action.

[1:38:45] Voice 4: So it's really a matter of was there inaccurate information provided to you when you went about making that concurrence decision?

[1:38:55] Voice 4: Was there a lack of information, omitted information?

[1:38:58] Voice 4: information when you went about making that concurrence decision all right if we take a look

[1:39:05] Voice 4: at what we know and what quite frankly i spoke about during the call last week and what there

[1:39:13] Voice 4: are multiple documents around and about we know that rogers slash press let me call them the

[1:39:21] Voice 4: proponents made false statements in their application to you on may 31st 2021 they stated

[1:39:31] Voice 4: in their application that Rogers and Crest, the very first sentence,

[1:39:37] Voice 14: the most substantial

[1:39:38] Voice 4: place you can make a statement, the very first sentence, Rogers and Crest have completed the

[1:39:45] Voice 4: public consultation process following Islands Trust draft model public consultation protocol

[1:39:52] Voice 4: for local trust areas. They did that because if you look at your July 27, 2021

[1:40:02] Voice 4: agenda and staff report staff had indicated to the proponents that

[1:40:08] Voice 4: although you do not have a a protocol and antenna sighting protocol on salt

[1:40:14] Voice 4: spring you were deliberating this model protocol and they were encouraging that

[1:40:19] Voice 4: that be used as a guideline so with that as background the proponents came

[1:40:24] Voice 4: forward and stated in their application that's what we did okay

[1:40:29] Voice 4: Okay. Unfortunately for them, that's not what they did. And I'm about to hand you a letter

[1:40:41] Voice 4: that is a draft letter for you to send to ICIT. Because one of the things I feel you have

[1:40:50] Voice 4: some issues with is perhaps not having the manpower. So I have a nice letter here

[1:40:56] Voice 4: that just requires your signature, Chair Luckman. But it points out that we found

[1:41:02] Voice 4: multiple substantive and material areas where the proponents did not follow nor complete the model

[1:41:07] Voice 4: protocol including not an exhaustive list but including under section 3.2 g5 public information

[1:41:15] Voice 4: sessions that is in the protocol that's the heading in the protocol requires that the local

[1:41:21] Voice 4: trust area requests the proponent chair of public information meeting for all proposed

[1:41:25] Voice 4: telecommunication antenna systems exceeding 15 meters in height or where there's significant

[1:41:30] Voice 4: significant public interest in the new free-standing proposed telecommunication antenna system.

[1:41:35] Voice 4: There were 471 comments you received at your July 27th meeting.

[1:41:40] Voice 4: I believe this being 40 meters meets both of those requirements, not one, not the other,

[1:41:46] Voice 4: but both.

[1:41:47] Voice 4: There was no public meeting held.

[1:41:52] Voice 4: Section 3.2 , numbers 1 and 2, which is about pre-consultation with the local trust

[1:42:00] Voice 4: area, requires that prior to submitting an antenna system proposal, the proponent provides

[1:42:05] Voice 4: the LTA representative potential locations and invites feedback on preferred locations.

[1:42:12] Voice 4: And it has a number of other requirements around giving you alternative locations and

[1:42:20] Voice 4: giving you an opportunity to voice your opinion on what's desired and what's not desired.

[1:42:27] Voice 4: During the call, Michael Krenz said that they began this whole thing with their November

[1:42:32] Voice 4: 19th 2020 proposal submission

[1:42:34] Voice 21: in

[1:42:36] Voice 4: that proposal so that was the very first

[1:42:38] Voice 4: contact they had with the local trust committee in that proposal they gave no

[1:42:44] Voice 4: alternatives they said there's one site and one site alone when it comes to

[1:42:54] Voice 4: sensitive locations that you've indicated to them you've indicated to

[1:42:57] Voice 4: them they should follow the model protocol section 4.2 C discourage

[1:43:02] Voice 4: locations in the protocol define each of the following locations which apply to

[1:43:07] Voice 4: the channel ridge site and hence the tower should not be sighted in that location it says that

[1:43:11] Voice 4: discouraged locations include locations directly in front of doors windows balconies or residential

[1:43:16] Voice 4: frontages 42 meters from connie's home land zone for nature protection it's less than 30 meters

[1:43:26] Voice 4: from our watershed environmentally sensitive ecosystems as defined in the official community

[1:43:31] Voice 4: plan in the official community plan that area is defined as both environmentally sensitive

[1:43:37] Voice 4: and high biodiversity area. Medium and high density residential areas is defined by the

[1:43:44] Voice 4: local trust area. I look for a definition, but surely this is within 100 meters. There's 10

[1:43:52] Voice 4: homes. Within 500 meters, which is the normal distance from cell towers, there's over probably

[1:43:58] Voice 4: 50 or 60 homes. This is a neighborhood. It is not a commercial site. All right. So let me tell you

[1:44:07] Voice 4: another section 3.2 G to be application submission to the LTA requires in

[1:44:14] Voice 4: paragraph 8 title search a copy of the title search data within the past 30

[1:44:20] Voice 4: days of proposal submission and any restrictions restricted covenants

[1:44:24] Voice 4: easements or rights-of-way registered against the lands the telecommunication

[1:44:29] Voice 4: antenna system is proposed on well folks although Rogers during the call claim

[1:44:35] Voice 4: they'd done a title search, they didn't seem to be aware of a little covenant

[1:44:39] Voice 4: that is in place on that land, which is covenant FB102667, which was the

[1:44:47] Voice 4: covenant that you, the LTC, placed on the developer when they provided a master

[1:44:55] Voice 4: plan back in 2010 to develop the entire Channel Ridge site. And that covenant

[1:44:59] Voice 4: states that there will be no building or construction other than what is defined

[1:45:05] Voice 4: defined in the master plan, and only in the order that the master plan defines it.

[1:45:11] Voice 4: There's nothing in that master plan about building a cell tower.

[1:45:15] Voice 4: They were required in the model protocol to tell you that they'd done a land title search

[1:45:20] Voice 4: and that there were no restrictions.

[1:45:22] Voice 4: They didn't tell you, and they didn't do the search, even though they claimed they did,

[1:45:26] Voice 4: I would speculate, based on them being unaware of this.

[1:45:31] Voice 4: government. There are many other shortfalls when it comes to the model

[1:45:40] Voice 4: protocol. They did not complete the model protocol. It is a statement of fact. There

[1:45:48] Voice 4: are a number of other issues. We provided you at the March 22nd meeting with the

[1:45:57] Voice 4: article that was in The Midden, which is the BC Archaeological Society's

[1:46:03] Voice 4: newsletter and it was the article written about how in 2004 when Channel

[1:46:09] Voice 4: Ridge property development cleared that site that there was an RCMP

[1:46:14] Voice 4: investigation for a Heritage Conservation Act contravention.

[1:46:23] Voice 4: Aani, the current owner through Marine Properties of this proposed site

[1:46:29] Voice 4: purchased Channel Ridge properties. They should have known that this is an

[1:46:35] Voice 4: archaeological site. The Channel Ridge properties were required to do an

[1:46:40] Voice 4: archaeological assessment and if you believe that article which is written by

[1:46:43] Voice 4: the Archaeological Society of British Columbia, this was a very active and

[1:46:48] Voice 4: sacred ground for First Nations. I don't feel it's our place as the residents to

[1:46:53] Voice 4: to go to First Nations. I feel it is the proponents place to go to the First

[1:46:59] Voice 4: nations because it is known that this is an active site and and if please if you

[1:47:05] Voice 4: don't have that article again I'd be happy to provide it to you but it makes

[1:47:09] Voice 4: it very clear in that article that these lands these these mountaintops were used

[1:47:14] Voice 4: as sacred sites and there's some very unusual things there they talk about a

[1:47:18] Voice 4: complex of archaeological sites the top of Channel Ridge specifically in

[1:47:23] Voice 4: archaeological Society of British Columbia's newsletter they specifically

[1:47:27] Voice 4: say, and I quote, there is a complex of archaeological sites atop of Channel Ridge, including several

[1:47:34] Voice 4: inland shell middens, lithic scatters, a hearth feature, and two petroglyph rock art boulders.

[1:47:43] Voice 4: This is information the proponents should have included in their application, but it

[1:47:49] Voice 4: was omitted.

[1:47:52] Voice 4: Inaccurate information, incomplete information.

[1:47:57] Voice 4: that's what I said told you you that those were valid rationale for rescinding your concurrence

[1:48:07] Voice 4: decision so one last thing and I'll wrap it up thank you for the time I said I didn't want to

[1:48:14] Voice 4: I mean I've done a lot of research on this and aware of a lot of a lot of information I said

[1:48:20] Voice 4: May 17th letter to you stated that you hadn't provided them with any valid rationale for your

[1:48:26] Voice 4: rescinded. The only thing they stated was that in November 9th meeting, you adopted a new antenna

[1:48:32] Voice 4: sighting

[1:48:33] Voice 3: proposal,

[1:48:34] Voice 4: protocol. I'm asking you, have you told them that Rogers falsified the application?

[1:48:45] Voice 4: Have you told them that? Have you told them that Rogers did not do their homework and that there's

[1:48:51] Voice 4: covenants on that site that disallow them from erecting a cell tower? Have you told ICIP that

[1:48:59] Voice 4: That Rogers, although they should have known that this was a very active First Nation settlement historically,

[1:49:04] Voice 4: dating back 2,000 years, with a number of features and complex archaeology found there,

[1:49:10] Voice 4: that Rogers didn't do their homework and didn't tell you about that?

[1:49:16] Voice 4: You folks made a decision based on inaccurate and incomplete information.

[1:49:21] Voice 4: And I am going to leave you, thank you for the time, with a draft letter that I would strongly urge you to send.

[1:49:31] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:49:32] Voice 4: It points out, I've been quoting from it throughout this.

[1:49:36] Voice 4: I'd be happy to provide it to you electronically.

[1:49:42] Voice 4: It points out all the things that I've discussed thus far.

[1:49:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to give this for the public record to my minute taker.

[1:49:51] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:49:52] Voice 4: Please send

[1:49:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): this to us electronically.

[1:49:53] Voice 4: I will send you a card.

[1:49:54] Voice 4: You know I know your email addresses.

[1:49:58] Voice 4: I will send it to you.

[1:49:59] Voice 4: I just have one last thing to say.

[1:50:01] Voice 4: Sure.

[1:50:01] Voice 4: and that is

[1:50:03] Voice 4: The concern residents of canvas back feels so strongly about this then let me tell you what's going to happen

[1:50:09] Voice 4: If Rogers show up, we are going to pick it that access road

[1:50:14] Voice 4: They're gonna what picket that access road

[1:50:16] Voice 4: They are not going to gain access to that site and we will be the ones

[1:50:23] Voice 4: to call the authorities the RCMP and we'll be the ones to call to write the press and

[1:50:30] Voice 4: And it won't be just our local driftwood, as wonderful as they are.

[1:50:34] Voice 4: It's going to be the press, regionally and nationally.

[1:50:40] Voice 4: And the bullying behavior that Rogers has shown here, the heavy-handedness, as you call it, is going to be exposed.

[1:50:51] Voice 4: This is not a cell tower issue.

[1:50:54] Voice 4: This is a matter of a bad corporate citizen coming to our community and pushing their way around

[1:51:00] Voice 4: to do what they want to do without listening to the community, you need to stop it.

[1:51:05] Voice 4: Because if you don't, McDonald's is going to have a drive-thru in front of it.

[1:51:11] Voice 4: Thanks.

[1:51:11] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:51:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): So very compelling.

[1:51:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I thank you for the research that you've put into this.

[1:51:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm sorry that this also has caused you all a lot of grief.

[1:51:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's unlikely out of good governance that I'm going to sign your letter.

[1:51:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): But certainly, I think what we should do is seek that legal opinion, including Julian's compelling arguments,

[1:51:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): and determine this would be an expensive legal opinion, but that's the cost of it.

[1:51:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then, indeed, write a letter based upon what we find.

[1:51:55] Voice 20: Well, I would just ask the lawyers to write the letter.

[1:51:57] Voice 20: Yeah.

[1:51:58] Voice 20: I think at that point, that's the request, is to ask them to review materials and prepare a response to the May letter.

[1:52:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Excellent motion, Chair.

[1:52:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that a motion can you say that more slowly so that rob can grab that and

[1:52:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's do it i moved

[1:52:14] Voice 20: at the salt spring island local trust committee uh request staff

[1:52:21] Voice 10: to solicit a legal opinion well

[1:52:23] Voice 20: request um

[1:52:24] Voice 20: well we want to request the uh staff to retain legal council yeah

[1:52:36] Voice 20: well yeah legal

[1:52:37] Voice 20: Council to prepare a letter of response to the May 17th, 2022 ISED letter.

[1:52:50] Trustee Grove (probable): And I think you can add to that, based upon the...

[1:52:56] Voice 20: Well, in consideration of all of the materials, they

[1:52:59] Voice 20: would be given a package.

[1:53:02] Trustee Grove (probable): Right.

[1:53:04] Trustee Grove (probable): I'll second that.

[1:53:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[1:53:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's let Rob get that up on the screen for us.

[1:53:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): As

[1:53:12] Trustee Grove (probable): that's happening, I mean, I do have a concern about timing, because they said they were moving in.

[1:53:18] Trustee Grove (probable): But if we have a small army of channel ridges up there.

[1:53:23] Voice 25: Well,

[1:53:25] Voice 3: you know, Peter.

[1:53:27] Voice 9: Can you let them know that you plan on responding to the May 17th election?

[1:53:31] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:53:31] Voice 9: I

[1:53:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): can't hear you.

[1:53:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Exactly.

[1:53:33] Voice 9: You had the opportunity to respond.

[1:53:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Exactly.

[1:53:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Exactly. So my advice would be let's avoid conflict if we have to, and thank you for saying you're going to step up, but I'm sure it doesn't take much to imagine that that's not necessarily going to go well, so let's avoid that.

[1:53:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so what I would like is a motion from the LCC for me to phone Michael Krantz and tell him that he should hold off on any further activity pending a letter from our legal counsel.

[1:54:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): And

[1:54:11] Trustee Grove (probable): I'm happy to make that motion.

[1:54:12] Trustee Grove (probable): All right.

[1:54:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's just hold that one until we get Rob on the first one.

[1:54:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think that would be the best approach here.

[1:54:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I do.

[1:54:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's still stick with our motions while we've got them in our heads and i'll come to you

[1:54:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): um assaults we have a local trust committee request staff you can make a conscious response

[1:54:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): all materials received to date um yeah you know all materials however i

[1:54:44] Voice 20: just would say of relevant

[1:54:45] Voice 20: materials i don't

[1:54:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): think you have to say just and we

[1:54:48] Voice 20: could say relevant letters

[1:54:50] Voice 7: from clark

[1:54:57] Voice 20: and so

[1:54:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's make sure this just on you know on the record let's make sure that

[1:55:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): ladder particularly is included and we

[1:55:08] Trustee Grove (probable): go to too many twos in the 2022 is a

[1:55:12] Trustee Grove (probable): zero just before I said date May 17 comma 2022 oh

[1:55:19] Voice 3: thank you and

[1:55:22] Trustee Grove (probable): then you want

[1:55:23] Trustee Grove (probable): the next so we're dealing with that one then we'll do the second so that's been moved and

[1:55:30] Trustee Grove (probable): seconded yeah it's

[1:55:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): moved and seconded i'll be good with that all those in favor that carries

[1:55:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): unanimously thank you and

[1:55:35] Trustee Grove (probable): i moved that uh the salt spring island local trust can you request

[1:55:39] Trustee Grove (probable): chair luckum um you can fill in the blanks because you had it uh

[1:55:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): to contact uh michael krentz of

[1:55:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): rogers indicating requesting hold

[1:55:52] Trustee Grove (probable): on give him a chance to catch

[1:55:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): up and that's an ancient look

[1:55:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): I welcome this for the record.

[1:56:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Crensch, and it's-

[1:56:02] Voice 9: You guys are fixed and closed.

[1:56:03] Voice 9: We'll get there.

[1:56:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Crensch, Michael Crensch, K-R-E-N-G-Z,

[1:56:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): requesting suspension of activities at Channel Ridge,

[1:56:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): pending a letter from Island Trust Council.

[1:56:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Island's Trust, legal counsel.

[1:56:36] Voice 15: Chair, welcome.

[1:56:36] Voice 15: May I suggest a reword of this?

[1:56:38] Voice 15: Yeah, sure.

[1:56:40] Voice 15: I would substitute requesting by insisting.

[1:56:45] Voice 15: Say that again.

[1:56:45] Voice 15: I would substitute requesting suspension of activities, insisting that activities are suspended.

[1:56:52] Voice 15: And in addition to phoning Rogers, I would really recommend that you put something in writing to them immediately.

[1:57:00] Voice 15: We

[1:57:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): can follow up. I can follow that up with a letter.

[1:57:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): So put and follow up with a

[1:57:05] Voice 9: letter, and we'll make sure that's done.

[1:57:07] Voice 9: Perhaps with a copy to Kim Pungente of ISCD. The two of them

[1:57:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): did work together.

[1:57:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm sorry I missed that. I was focused on the screen there. You know, quite honestly,

[1:57:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think requesting is out of it. I can insist as much as I

[1:57:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): want and they can continue to

[1:57:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): ignore me too.

[1:57:25] Trustee Grove (probable): We don't use language like insist. Hmm? We don't use language like

[1:57:29] Trustee Grove (probable): insist. No. And

[1:57:31] Trustee Grove (probable): I will be

[1:57:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): insisting. Let's put it that way. I'll

[1:57:36] Voice 15: use that as artistic

[1:57:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): license.

[1:57:39] Voice 15: Requiring. Requiring would be a little stronger than request. I'm happy

[1:57:45] Trustee Grove (probable): with the request i move the consulting and local trust committee request luckham chair luckham to

[1:57:49] Trustee Grove (probable): contact michael krentz of rogers requesting suspension of activities at channel ridge

[1:57:53] Trustee Grove (probable): pending a letter from islands trust legal counsel and follow-up on the follow-up with the letter

[1:57:59] Trustee Grove (probable): sorry yeah um of of the above request of the above request yeah not not so beautifully constructed

[1:58:10] Trustee Grove (probable): we get we get the message yeah

[1:58:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and hopefully they'll review the recording as soon as it's

[1:58:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): available anyway and that will happen immediately so yeah okay so move do i have a second here

[1:58:23] Voice 20: yeah it's messy but certain messy

[1:58:25] Voice 10: messy but that

[1:58:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): carries unanimously okay so thank you

[1:58:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's see where it goes next um yeah peter i

[1:58:39] Voice 25: have to go we're gonna go okay

[1:58:40] Voice 25: Okay.

[1:58:42] Voice 20: I'm

[1:58:42] Voice 25: not exciting enough for you.

[1:58:43] Voice 25: Oh, it's so...

[1:58:45] Voice 25: Chair Patrick.

[1:58:46] Voice 25: Why is Chair Patrick?

[1:58:47] Voice 20: All the correspondences with Rogers except 13.24 from France.

[1:58:53] Voice 20: He's talking about some online OCP review questionnaire.

[1:58:57] Voice 20: Oh,

[1:58:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): so those are the two that I flagged as different.

[1:59:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't know

[1:59:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): what that is.

[1:59:01] Voice 20: Yeah.

[1:59:01] Voice 20: Does staff know what he's referring to?

[1:59:04] Voice 20: Or we have an online OCP review questionnaire?

[1:59:08] Voice 20: I

[1:59:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't think there is.

[1:59:11] Voice 18: Sorry, I'm still looking.

[1:59:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's go to 13.24, which is on page 275.

[1:59:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's a question from Aitor regarding an OCP review questionnaire.

[1:59:26] Voice 18: Yeah, we did have an initial kind of a general survey just to ask people what they think.

[1:59:32] Voice 18: We shared that with the trustee a while back before we had the RFP for the consultant.

[1:59:37] Voice 18: But the survey—

[1:59:38] Voice 18: With

[1:59:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): respect to what?

[1:59:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): The

[1:59:40] Voice 18: Posing Action Program.

[1:59:41] Voice 18: that was that that wasn't well

[1:59:43] Voice 20: that was just a little housing survey

[1:59:45] Voice 18: right but there

[1:59:46] Voice 20: was another one

[1:59:47] Voice 18: yeah we just posted it's like an open question to see

[1:59:52] Voice 18: what people think about uh environmental uh policy as they relate to housing

[2:00:00] Voice 18: we didn't really have any it's not how should i put it it's very general high level

[2:00:05] Voice 18: survey i never saw it uh it's but we took it down because right now when we cancel the rp

[2:00:14] Voice 18: we took down the survey so there's no survey now

[2:00:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay dealt with that one i

[2:00:21] Voice 18: see

[2:00:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): so by default that

[2:00:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): is no longer something that's happened however in his letter he describes an

[2:00:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): OCP review and that is not what that was in

[2:00:35] Voice 18: okay okay

[2:00:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): so fair enough so trustee

[2:00:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Patrick I want

[2:00:49] Voice 20: to make a

[2:00:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): response I'd

[2:00:50] Voice 20: like to see the survey that was up

[2:00:52] Voice 20: temporarily I think the trustee should see these things I have no idea what it

[2:00:56] Voice 20: was yeah I never saw it so

[2:00:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): can we somehow wait

[2:01:01] Voice 20: get

[2:01:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): that and forward it you

[2:01:04] Voice 21: must have a survey monkey

[2:01:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): or something so you probably got it all there yeah

[2:01:09] Voice 25: okay

[2:01:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): so do you want a motion to that effect okay

[2:01:12] Voice 25: so

[2:01:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's 13.24 the other

[2:01:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): one is that okay so the other one that's on the list here is thirteen point two

[2:01:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): two, three. I've seen Leichter concerning Pathway Corner, Phillips and Fulford Ganges Road.

[2:01:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's a piece of correspondence there. We just received that for information.

[2:01:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): So thank you. So then I think that concludes our correspondence. Thank you,

[2:01:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): all you folks from Kansas back for coming. You

[2:01:43] Voice 4: gave your coffee away. Oh, I appreciate that.

[2:01:45] Voice 4: That's fair for you.

[2:01:46] Voice 4: You

[2:01:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): send me an electronic.

[2:01:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm a

[2:01:48] Voice 4: paper electronic.

[2:01:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Send me an electronic.

[2:01:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right.

[2:01:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): So now we have delegations.

[2:01:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): We have 14.1 Maureen Moore and 14.2 Maxine.

[2:02:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I do want to raise a question later today of the business about delegation authorizations,

[2:02:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): because I don't recall being asked to support these delegations.

[2:02:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Not that I don't, but just for our own tracking situation.

[2:02:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's go to the delegations, and you have 10 minutes.

[2:02:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Maureen Moore, chair of Hedge Row Preservation Society,

[2:02:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): and thank you for sharing that lovely photograph

[2:02:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): of not an untypical place in the Gulf Islands.

[2:02:39] Voice 16: Right.

[2:02:41] Voice 16: So I'll just leave it here.

[2:02:43] Voice 16: I was going to pass it around, but COVID, I'm not going to.

[2:02:50] Voice 16: So, Salisbury has spent millions of dollars trying to conserve land over the years.

[2:02:58] Voice 16: And interestingly, there is land that can be conserved without any money being spent at all.

[2:03:07] Voice 16: And that would include the hedgerows along roads.

[2:03:11] Voice 16: and hedgerows are the natural plants including trees that grow along roads and they filter water

[2:03:20] Voice 16: they store carbon they provide an environment for creatures non-human creatures and in many places

[2:03:34] Voice 16: in the world that have undergone development, they provide more natural

[2:03:39] Voice 16: area than any conservation area or park. So that's one reason I'm really

[2:03:46] Voice 16: concerned about the hedgerows on Salt Spring. But I found out that in 1992, due

[2:03:54] Voice 16: to the wisdom of former trustees, we actually protect hedgerows on Salt

[2:04:01] Voice 16: Spring and that we have a memorandum of understanding with the Ministry of

[2:04:06] Voice 16: of Transportation and Infrastructure, that allows us to protect all our roads, and in

[2:04:13] Voice 16: our OCP it outlines gentler treatment, and as well, specifically, we have named certain

[2:04:22] Voice 16: roads as scenic and heritage, and they are to be protected in an even greater way than

[2:04:30] Voice 16: the roads that are not designated that way.

[2:04:34] Voice 16: So, you know, we have a wonderful opportunity to communicate with the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure

[2:04:44] Voice 16: and the subcontractor and ensure that that really happens, because some of these things get forgotten.

[2:04:56] Voice 16: In the municipality of Delta, they pay somebody to restore hedgerows.

[2:05:03] Voice 16: It takes three years to begin to restore a hedgerow, and that involves regular watering, weeding, and so on.

[2:05:14] Voice 16: So we have the opportunity to do that without employing somebody, and to do it for free.

[2:05:20] Voice 16: But it does require us, you know, our local trust committee, to communicate with MOTI and with the subcontractor.

[2:05:30] Voice 16: and um often the subcontractor when i've talked to them in the past will say but it goes back

[2:05:42] Voice 16: this is not true it whatever is referred to as it was originally native plants what goes back

[2:05:52] Voice 16: is usually aggressive non-native plants so we're losing biodiversity and the brushing machine

[2:06:01] Voice 16: you know people get on that machine and they just zoom down and you know things are wiped out

[2:06:10] Voice 16: things like ocean spray are torn up so that you can see the remnants of them it takes years and

[2:06:17] Voice 16: years for those to grow back so um we have a way of accomplishing it but it's another job for the

[2:06:27] Voice 16: local trust committee, and we can preserve the rural character of Salt

[2:06:35] Voice 16: Spring by having these beautiful hedgerows along our roads that are

[2:06:40] Voice 16: actually, you know, like conservation areas, but we don't think of them that way

[2:06:46] Voice 16: because we just drive by them or bicycle by them.

[2:06:54] Voice 16: So in our OCP, we have this map, and this designates our roads that are set aside as

[2:07:11] Voice 16: scenic and historic, and one of them is Venice Road, and I live on a road that's quite near

[2:07:18] Voice 16: there and so I noticed last summer that the new subcontractor was unaware of an MOU and just

[2:07:27] Voice 16: you know went down there with a brushing machine as if we were the Pat Bay Highway

[2:07:32] Voice 16: and so I also noticed that because they set the brushing machine at a certain measurement

[2:07:40] Voice 16: the areas that had no problems with line of sight were mowed more radically

[2:07:48] Voice 16: graphically than curves where there might be a problem with line of sight so it's really

[2:07:55] Voice 16: important when discussing these things to talk about measurement like what is would their

[2:08:00] Voice 16: ordinary measurement be and then how much less can we do because when i met with main roads formerly

[2:08:07] Voice 16: we we found a measurement that suited them and suited us um and when i worked on the

[2:08:16] Voice 16: Pusha Lake Watershed Management Plan, we stated that always mowing is preferable to brushing.

[2:08:26] Voice 16: Mowing gives you line of sight and yet preserves almost all the natural area and still slows

[2:08:37] Voice 16: the water that goes into the ditch, preventing silting, but still remains habitat, still

[2:08:46] Voice 16: remains beautiful.

[2:08:48] Voice 16: So, just in terms of what it says in our OCP, in Section E, there is this quote.

[2:09:00] Voice 16: So, quote, it is recognized that road standards in the islands' trust areas have been lowered

[2:09:06] Voice 16: in response to the trust objective to maintain the rural character of the islands, and in

[2:09:14] Voice 16: recognition of the size of islands and their unique character, and the need for a gentler

[2:09:20] Voice 16: approach in harmony with the land, I quote. So our most important trust objective is brought

[2:09:30] Voice 16: into play there. And also, in Section E, Part 2b, quote, roadside vegetation will be retained

[2:09:39] Voice 16: where possible, unless it becomes a hazard to public safety or interferes with utility

[2:09:46] Voice 16: utility and drainage requirements. Trees will be permitted to enroach within the roadway right away.

[2:09:53] Voice 16: That's very important. And also in Section D, Part 3, scenic heritage designation, which I just mentioned,

[2:10:07] Voice 16: we have a list and we have a map in our ocp

[2:10:11] Voice 19: and

[2:10:12] Voice 16: these things get forgotten because there's always

[2:10:15] Voice 16: a change of subcontractor and you know respecting our general requirements on salt spring requires

[2:10:24] Voice 16: a bit more care and thinking about how the road roadside treatment will be you know that that

[2:10:35] Voice 16: but how it will somehow satisfy MOTI standards

[2:10:44] Voice 16: and as well our islands' trust needs and standards set out in our MOU and in our OCP.

[2:10:53] Voice 16: And now that we know more about how much we need to preserve nature

[2:11:02] Voice 16: because with climate change and so on we need to protect our water we need to

[2:11:08] Voice 16: protect all the natural areas that we can protect that's safe to protect I

[2:11:16] Voice 16: think now it says it's an ideal time to remind Moti of that. Do you want me to

[2:11:21] Voice 16: give this to you or is it okay that I just send it in? Well

[2:11:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): you sent us an

[2:11:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): electronic copy

[2:11:26] Voice 16: and I'm just going to ask

[2:11:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): you that all of the material that you

[2:11:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): summarized just now absolutely captured yes and we've got the maps you do and

[2:11:35] Voice 16: i leave

[2:11:36] Voice 16: that to you

[2:11:37] Voice 16: you know how to do that but whenever there is to be um work done on a designated heritage and scenic

[2:11:46] Voice 16: road there's supposed to be communication with you before it's done and then you know that doesn't

[2:11:54] Voice 16: So, actually,

[2:11:56] Voice 20: our map is not in alignment with the letter of agreement with Moody.

[2:12:03] Voice 20: Oh, interesting.

[2:12:05] Voice 20: It was only, of course, created back in the early 90s and never updated since.

[2:12:12] Voice 20: And so there

[2:12:14] Voice 3: is a need.

[2:12:16] Voice 20: I think we need to activate that from the trust-wide.

[2:12:21] Voice 20: this is probably not just Salt Spring, it's probably every one of the local

[2:12:24] Voice 20: trust committees that have designated scenic and heritage roadways on their

[2:12:28] Voice 20: islands

[2:12:28] Voice 1: that may or may not

[2:12:29] Voice 20: be in alignment with that agreement. So in this

[2:12:37] Voice 20: case, Bettis Road is not. And it wasn't

[2:12:41] Voice 20: even proposed back in 1992. They had

[2:12:43] Voice 20: something they rejected and it's not.

[2:12:45] Voice 16: Bettis Road is on this map.

[2:12:47] Voice 20: i know it's on this map it's not in the letter of agreement so it is

[2:12:50] Voice 20: not designated road there

[2:12:52] Voice 20: so it is out of order so like i said our ocp and that letter of agreement do not match okay

[2:12:59] Voice 11: so

[2:12:59] Voice 20: yeah i don't know if we want to make a motion to right we should need to bring this to probably

[2:13:07] Voice 20: the regional planning committee's attention i would assume or do you want me to talk about it

[2:13:12] Voice 20: to ec first i'll i'll i'll park a motion for now but uh do some work on this because

[2:13:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): i

[2:13:21] Voice 20: don't think it's just us there has

[2:13:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): been conversations with moti about the islands

[2:13:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): trust council agreement with moti that's the agreement that's different than what is locally

[2:13:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): enacted no

[2:13:34] Voice 20: they have roads they have a whole table in there with designated scenic and heritage roads

[2:13:38] Voice 20: are out in that report for each island okay

[2:13:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): and like

[2:13:42] Voice 20: bettis road our ocp has more roads than

[2:13:46] Voice 20: what's recognized in that agreement that

[2:13:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): would be sure that's the issue yeah

[2:13:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that needs to

[2:13:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): be resolved in some fashion so i would i'll

[2:13:57] Voice 20: follow i'll fall first with i'll bring that to ec so the

[2:14:01] Voice 16: subcontractor had no idea there ever was an mou probably or that oh

[2:14:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): wow he's a subcontractor yeah

[2:14:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[2:14:09] Voice 16: know, but this should be in their contract.

[2:14:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, the regional manager is supposed to be aware of it and direct them accordingly.

[2:14:16] Voice 20: Well, we need to make that agreement more active and not static.

[2:14:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[2:14:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you.

[2:14:24] Voice 20: Okay, thank

[2:14:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much for coming today.

[2:14:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Marty.

[2:14:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): So our next speaker is Maxine Lechter, and you wish to speak to us today regarding draft bylaw 530, which, as you know, is a work in progress.

[2:14:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hi

[2:14:39] Voice 17: there. Thanks for letting me speak today. My name is Maxine Leichter, and I'm here to speak on Draft By Law 530, which would allow either a suite or a cottage on most of the residential properties on Salt Spring.

[2:14:59] Voice 17: And I know it's hard when someone's standing before you and they have a problem and they need help. We all want to help you.

[2:15:09] Voice 17: I want to help you I'm here today to represent the people of the future the

[2:15:17] Voice 17: future the future they're not here we don't even know who they are but zoning

[2:15:25] Voice 17: needs to consider the future and I'll give you some examples the current

[2:15:31] Voice 17: zoning on either side of the city's Bay Road part of the original Channel Ridge

[2:15:39] Voice 17: development. That zoning is many, many houses on one acre lots. That is not a

[2:15:47] Voice 17: rural zoning. That is a suburban zoning. And that zoning may date back as far as

[2:15:54] Voice 17: 1976, but the 80s are not

[2:15:56] Voice 17: sure. Just think, if back then those lots were two acres,

[2:16:03] Voice 17: there would be half as many people there, there would be plenty of water now for

[2:16:08] Voice 17: for Ganges.

[2:16:10] Voice 17: So back then, we didn't know a lot that went around.

[2:16:15] Voice 17: But in 202013, a report was submitted

[2:16:19] Voice 17: to the local trust committee

[2:16:20] Voice 17: that there was a limited amount of water available

[2:16:24] Voice 17: in North Salt Spring Water District.

[2:16:26] Voice 17: And a careful planning needed to be done.

[2:16:29] Voice 17: I know, because I was there

[2:16:30] Voice 17: and I spoke to the local trust committee

[2:16:32] Voice 17: a ton about it.

[2:16:34] Voice 17: At that time, the local trust committee

[2:16:36] Voice 17: and North Salt Spring Water District,

[2:16:38] Voice 17: Neither one of them wanted to take any responsibility.

[2:16:41] Voice 17: They both pointed the finger at the other,

[2:16:43] Voice 17: and they approved every subdivision that came before them.

[2:16:47] Voice 17: If action had been taken at that time,

[2:16:50] Voice 17: we would have more water now for Ganges.

[2:16:55] Voice 17: So I'm saying let's look, let's do the right thing now for the future

[2:17:01] Voice 17: because we know now that the aquifers on Salt Spring are very limited.

[2:17:06] Voice 17: We know from the geology, and talk to a geologist about the northern part of the island.

[2:17:12] Voice 17: There are areas across the northern part of the island that have very limited water.

[2:17:17] Voice 17: There are people there who have to have water delivered.

[2:17:21] Voice 17: William Shulba has come here and talked to you about how the way we test for water,

[2:17:29] Voice 17: adequate water is not adequate.

[2:17:32] Voice 17: So when someone tells you there are all these built-in protections,

[2:17:37] Voice 17: that no one will get a permit unless they show they have adequate water well the standards for

[2:17:42] Voice 17: that the water advocates have been advocating for two decades that those need to be changed

[2:17:49] Voice 17: we're testing in the not test we're testing in the winter instead of the summer william talked

[2:17:54] Voice 17: to you a long time about how testing has to be done over a long period of time to protect the

[2:18:00] Voice 17: neighbors okay i don't know i need to go over it again because the person who spoke to you this

[2:18:08] Voice 17: morning mentioned how rainwater collection is not an answer it's great

[2:18:13] Voice 17: for people with a lot of money you know they can buy great big tanks and systems

[2:18:19] Voice 17: and all that but what happens when the regular guy suddenly doesn't have water

[2:18:24] Voice 17: summer what's he gonna do if he or she can't afford to buy thousands of tanks

[2:18:30] Voice 17: cost thousands of dollars and that you know the whole rainwater collection

[2:18:35] Voice 17: consistently expensive what happens to that person who can't afford that can't

[2:18:39] Voice 17: afford to pay for water to deliver those people might have to move people can

[2:18:45] Voice 17: lose their home and their property is devalued the whole native people find

[2:18:50] Voice 17: out they don't like to tell anyone right because all neighborhoods properties can

[2:18:54] Voice 17: be devalued when there's an adequate water but there are people in the future

[2:18:59] Voice 17: well there's some now actually but they mean more in the future that will really

[2:19:04] Voice 17: they suffer on economies. Now, I can tell you something else that's going on. When

[2:19:11] Voice 17: you say a cottage can be occupied full-time, households go together to buy

[2:19:18] Voice 17: properties. They team up, right, because they can't afford to buy the property by

[2:19:22] Voice 17: themselves. So two households buy the property, one lives in the house, one lives in the

[2:19:27] Voice 17: cottage. I know, I can give you that many instances of this that I know of, and

[2:19:33] Voice 17: And most of those people are not island workers.

[2:19:36] Voice 17: They are retired.

[2:19:38] Voice 17: So if you increase the size that you allow cottages,

[2:19:42] Voice 17: you're just encouraging more of that.

[2:19:45] Voice 17: And I think someone pointed out that this

[2:19:48] Voice 17: raises property values.

[2:19:50] Voice 17: And allowing costumes and cottages all over the island

[2:19:54] Voice 17: is the epitome of urban sprawl.

[2:19:56] Voice 17: It absolutely is the epitome of urban sprawl.

[2:20:00] Voice 17: So we do have alternatives.

[2:20:02] Voice 17: It's not like we don't have any alternatives.

[2:20:04] Voice 17: As Gary said, we're building a lot of housing, and we could build more.

[2:20:10] Voice 17: We need the study that William Shulkin wants to do, that was not funded, that the SWF was

[2:20:18] Voice 17: asking for, same study, right, to tell us where we could put these developments.

[2:20:24] Voice 17: That's what we need to know, because we can build if we know where there's water.

[2:20:28] Voice 17: So, also, and this is a bit confusing, but the task force, housing task force recommendations

[2:20:40] Voice 17: that are your staff report that you got in connection with this item says

[2:20:45] Voice 17: that they recommend reallocating the permissions that were given as part of the suites bylaw.

[2:20:52] Voice 17: That's about 1,600 suites that were allowed in that bylaw.

[2:20:58] Voice 17: And it says in writing on your staff report that instead of violating the OCP limits,

[2:21:06] Voice 17: reallocate those permissions to people who have a suite or a cottage and want to rent it out.

[2:21:15] Voice 17: Then you're not violating the OCP.

[2:21:18] Voice 17: You're not doing, you know, huge numbers of more houses for the future.

[2:21:24] Voice 17: So what is the trust all about?

[2:21:26] Voice 17: Well, you all hear.

[2:21:27] Voice 17: the trust was set up to protect the islands from overdevelopment.

[2:21:34] Voice 17: Overdevelopment is the biggest threat that we face.

[2:21:37] Voice 17: And allowing a suite or a cottage on thousands of properties all over the island,

[2:21:44] Voice 17: I have looked at the zoning map.

[2:21:46] Voice 17: Even in our rural uplands areas that were supposed to be protected

[2:21:50] Voice 17: because that's where our groundwater recharge occurs.

[2:21:54] Voice 17: I just ask you not to do this.

[2:21:57] Voice 17: It's not the right thing to do for the future. So that's my question.

[2:22:05] Voice 26: Thank you, Maxine.

[2:22:06] Voice 26: Thank you, Maxine.

[2:22:07] Voice 26: Okay,

[2:22:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that's our delegations today. Let's go to town hall now with opportunity for questions.

[2:22:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so is there anybody here today? We usually break it up into three categories.

[2:22:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): We say this before. Those who want to speak to applications that are on our agenda today.

[2:22:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and then second group those that wish to speak to applications that are in stream that are not

[2:22:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): before us today and then thirdly other issues that are within the jurisdiction of the irish trust

[2:22:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): so those that wish to speak to us today regarding applications that are on our agenda today starting

[2:22:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): at p page 300 and going through to wherever it ends so anybody wish to speak to us about

[2:22:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): applications today please stand up and having one of those senior moments yeah i'm

[2:23:06] Voice 2: jennifer mclean

[2:23:07] Voice 2: and i've been learning about this unfolding disaster that's to do with the sea breeze

[2:23:13] Voice 2: and so the unfolding

[2:23:15] Voice 10: disaster right

[2:23:16] Voice 2: now i'm talking right now you can ask later so anyways

[2:23:19] Voice 2: uh there's some situation where there's been a lot of misinformation and a lot of misinformation has

[2:23:24] Voice 2: has been put out on social media creating quite a bit of confusion but there are tenants there

[2:23:32] Voice 2: who were renting the Seabreeze as part of SRO prior to any involvement or excluding any

[2:23:38] Voice 2: involvement with BC Housing so the fact that BC Housing signed a contract with Lady Mental

[2:23:44] Voice 2: Hospital Foundation to have the place empty by July 15th is not really applicable to all of the

[2:23:51] Voice 2: the tenants there's been a sort of strange letter that with no letterhead that was put into the

[2:23:56] Voice 2: doors of the residents to suggest that they might want to leave it was put in june the 22nd asking

[2:24:02] Voice 2: them to leave on june the 30th but no formal evictions been given so that way it's avoiding

[2:24:07] Voice 2: or trying to skirt around the legal rights of people to have something overseen by the rental

[2:24:15] Voice 2: residential tenancy board so usually what happens if a tenant is legally evicted by a legal

[2:24:20] Voice 2: process they can then take that back to the residential tenancy board and then it goes

[2:24:25] Voice 2: to a court date and then you go through court so because of how things have been done because the

[2:24:30] Voice 2: new owners have not been willing to go through the proper process then it means that there is

[2:24:37] Voice 2: sort of this thing that's going on there that's pretty much akin to a disaster so you know to

[2:24:44] Voice 2: see this right here on this applications and referral as the first thing temporary use permit

[2:24:50] Voice 2: there was a demolition permit offered by the CRD which is also really kinky

[2:24:56] Voice 2: because it didn't follow their own rules for offering a demolition permit on

[2:25:00] Voice 2: their own website so that's been identified in order to get a demolition

[2:25:04] Voice 2: permit rather than a renovation permit at least 70% of the building must be

[2:25:08] Voice 2: torn down there's a contract already given to Western Medical to tear it down

[2:25:12] Voice 2: as they're also working on the hospital but there's tenants in the building

[2:25:16] Voice 2: there was no efforts by leading into a hospital foundation to ever meet with

[2:25:20] Voice 2: with any of these tenants.

[2:25:21] Voice 2: They've never gone there and met with any of the people.

[2:25:23] Voice 2: Instead, DC Housing is coming every day

[2:25:25] Voice 2: for a couple hours a day to try to do the work,

[2:25:27] Voice 2: to persuade the people to go 154 Kings Lane.

[2:25:30] Voice 2: 154 Kings Lane is not set up yet.

[2:25:33] Voice 2: I viewed it last night.

[2:25:34] Voice 2: The doors are wide open.

[2:25:35] Voice 2: I could see inside and out.

[2:25:36] Voice 2: One of the trailers is like a fire trap.

[2:25:38] Voice 2: It doesn't have a proper exit.

[2:25:40] Voice 2: It has one door on one end, one door on the other.

[2:25:43] Voice 2: All these little rooms all divided by walls.

[2:25:46] Voice 2: One of the reasons why people don't necessarily want people

[2:25:50] Voice 2: living in informal dwellings in their properties is because if somebody brings in a hot plate

[2:25:55] Voice 2: they can create a fire I don't even know whether there's a sprinkler system you know the people

[2:25:59] Voice 2: don't even know they haven't they've been advised not to go to 154 Kings Lane to look at the units

[2:26:04] Voice 2: yet because they are being told by BC Housing they'll be toured to see the units to see if

[2:26:08] Voice 2: they're appropriate as of Thursday so these people are all living right now at Seabreeze without

[2:26:14] Voice 2: anywhere to go and this is all this big media fuss they can go into this happy place I recall

[2:26:20] Voice 2: Carl Berta, who's here, wrote that there'd be air conditioning, toilet showers.

[2:26:25] Voice 2: That was in his social media post.

[2:26:26] Voice 2: There are social media posts appearing and disappearing.

[2:26:29] Voice 2: If I couldn't use Screenshot, I wouldn't even know what's being said

[2:26:33] Voice 2: because things are put up and taken down.

[2:26:35] Voice 2: And it's to create this impression in the community that things are A-OK,

[2:26:38] Voice 2: things are going fine, when actually things are really not going fine.

[2:26:42] Voice 2: And there should be a social contract now in Salt Spring Island.

[2:26:45] Voice 2: Like, I remember before we had the sewer.

[2:26:48] Voice 2: One of the main reasons we got the sewer was to serve the Lady Minto Hospital.

[2:26:52] Voice 2: That was a real talking point because a lot of people were against the sewer.

[2:26:55] Voice 2: Dietrich Luther, who currently resides at Sea Breeze, was explaining how he did help

[2:27:00] Voice 2: facilitate the sewer to get built.

[2:27:02] Voice 2: There was a barge that was burnt up at Long Harbour that created $200,000 worth of damage

[2:27:07] Voice 2: because so many people who were on Salt Spring at the time were very opposed to the sewer

[2:27:11] Voice 2: coming in because they didn't want densification and gentrification.

[2:27:14] Voice 2: It was a whole different time.

[2:27:16] Voice 2: I'm talking about 1980.

[2:27:17] Voice 2: I lived here and I saw that and Dietrich guarded it with his dogs, one of his dogs was shot

[2:27:21] Voice 2: dead.

[2:27:22] Voice 2: So this very person who's done so much here as a CRD director, who's facilitated there

[2:27:28] Voice 2: to be a sewer which facilitates this whole development that's going on here is now being

[2:27:33] Voice 2: put out with uncertain future as an elderly man.

[2:27:36] Voice 2: There's so many heartbreaking stories in there, it's not just this easy fix where suddenly

[2:27:41] Voice 2: Suddenly these tin can trailers, they're not modular homes, they're these large tin can

[2:27:46] Voice 2: trailers are pulled onto the island, pulled onto this site, they're not hooked up, there's

[2:27:50] Voice 2: no stairs, you know, there's people with disabilities, how are they going to get in there?

[2:27:55] Voice 2: They're tiny little single beds, you can't have any personal possessions unless you might

[2:27:59] Voice 2: have a pencil, a toothbrush, and a notebook.

[2:28:01] Voice 2: It's just rude how it's going on, it's just gross.

[2:28:04] Voice 2: And I just want to say, please don't give this temporary use for money, please don't

[2:28:08] Voice 2: involved in this bizarre soap opera that's going on here.

[2:28:11] Voice 2: Thank you.

[2:28:12] Voice 2: Thank you.

[2:28:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Catch my breath.

[2:28:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anybody else wish to speak to the LTC

[2:28:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): regarding items on today's agenda?

[2:28:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anybody wish to address the local trust committee

[2:28:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): on items that are not on today's agenda that are in stream?

[2:28:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anybody wish to address the LTC with respect to any item

[2:28:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): within its jurisdiction to be persuasive we'll say no okay so I will then end the

[2:28:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Town Hall and thank you Jenny for coming today and let us begin with the

[2:29:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): applications here and the first one 16.1 is the TUP at 101 Bittencourt Road

[2:29:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): owned by Lady Minto Hospital so I ask if the applicant is here you're good thank

[2:29:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for joining us.

[2:29:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): We

[2:29:18] Voice 21: want the staff

[2:29:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): to provide us the report.

[2:29:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then I'll ask you if you have any new information

[2:29:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and or that you concur with the report, the findings.

[2:29:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then we will have a conversation here

[2:29:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): where we can ask you questions,

[2:29:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): or staff questions.

[2:29:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Jason, you're always.

[2:29:39] Voice 26: Thank you, Chair Luck.

[2:29:40] Voice 26: Thank you, sir.

[2:29:40] Voice 26: I gather, are

[2:29:42] Voice 23: we without a projector?

[2:29:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): We can turn that on.

[2:29:45] Voice 23: I think we're trying to keep the heat down or something.

[2:29:47] Voice 23: You know what, you've got the benefit of the reports in front of you.

[2:29:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): We do.

[2:29:51] Voice 23: Although

[2:29:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): the public might find it helpful.

[2:29:54] Voice 23: Sure.

[2:29:54] Voice 23: Yeah.

[2:29:55] Voice 23: Always cognizant of the public.

[2:29:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Go ahead.

[2:29:58] Voice 23: All right.

[2:29:59] Voice 23: Thank you, Chair.

[2:30:00] Voice 23: So this matter concerns a temporary use permit and a variant permit application by the Lady-Minto Hospital Foundation

[2:30:07] Voice 23: to convert the Seabreeze Motel at 101 Bittencourt Road to residential use for the purpose of hospital employee housing.

[2:30:15] Voice 23: The Seabreeze is a 28-unit motel serviced by On-Site Sewage Treatment and the North Salt Spring Water Works District for potable water.

[2:30:24] Voice 23: the lady minto hospital foundation intends to renovate the building to create 17 housing units

[2:30:30] Voice 23: of various configurations and sizes um floor plan is independence three of your staff report on this

[2:30:40] Voice 23: matter if you want to have a look at what the floor plan is going to look like when complete

[2:30:45] Voice 23: since the covet outbreak it has been used to house folks with uh with the housing insecurity issues

[2:30:51] Voice 23: I, you know, be remiss not to acknowledge some of the community dialogue around this

[2:30:58] Voice 23: that we just heard about during the town hall.

[2:31:00] Voice 23: I will say though, for the purposes of staff's evaluation of this application, we look at

[2:31:06] Voice 23: the guidelines for temporary use permits that are in the official community plan and not

[2:31:11] Voice 23: so much some of the community conversation that's taking place outside of what the guidelines

[2:31:16] Voice 23: for temporary use permit considerations say.

[2:31:20] Voice 23: the renovations that are proposed necessitate a variance permit application as the new stairs and

[2:31:26] Voice 23: landings that are going to be on the whole again the road side of the building are going to

[2:31:31] Voice 23: encroach into the setback to that road the building itself already encroaches into the setback the 7.5

[2:31:36] Voice 23: meter setback from the road and the landings and stairs represent sort of a further minor

[2:31:42] Voice 23: encroachment into that even with the further encroachment the building and the stairs and

[2:31:46] Voice 23: landings is still going to be set back more than 4.5 meters from the natural or from the uh from

[2:31:52] Voice 23: the edge of the road right of way uh at anything inside of 4.5 meters requires going to ministry

[2:31:58] Voice 23: of transportation and infrastructure for approval but in this case they're still outside of that so

[2:32:02] Voice 23: they're they're not within the setback that would require ministerial permission given that the

[2:32:09] Voice 23: setback is so minor staff don't see any problems considering the variance permit application to

[2:32:14] Voice 23: install those stairs and landings the other variance that's required is a reduction in the

[2:32:18] Voice 23: number of parking spaces for people with disabilities that would otherwise be required

[2:32:23] Voice 23: for a multi-unit residential building of this size in this case the proponents are only putting in

[2:32:29] Voice 23: one formally accessible unit within the building and given the site constraints and the difficulty

[2:32:37] Voice 23: of the land works that would be required to install more parking spaces they're looking just

[2:32:42] Voice 23: to provide a single parking space for for persons with disabilities to access the one accessible

[2:32:48] Voice 23: unit that's going to be created staff you know recognize that that is that is not ideal right

[2:32:57] Voice 23: obviously we need to have accessible communities for everyone um we sort of address this in the

[2:33:03] Voice 23: temporary use permit that's proposed by saying that if any residents do come to the building

[2:33:09] Voice 23: who do require an additional parking space for people with disabilities that

[2:33:14] Voice 23: we would entertain combining two of the two of the regular parking spaces that

[2:33:18] Voice 23: are there sort of in favor you know like you recognize that the loss of one one

[2:33:23] Voice 23: regular parking space in favor of the creation of a parking space for persons with disabilities as for the temporary use

[2:33:31] Voice 23: permit evaluation as you know the OCP has a set of guidelines against which we

[2:33:35] Voice 23: evaluate these sorts of applications staff's evaluation of this is in

[2:33:39] Voice 23: appendix four of the staff report on the whole the proposal is generally consistent with the tup

[2:33:45] Voice 23: guidelines and we're talking about the repurposing of an existing building there so it's not it's not

[2:33:50] Voice 23: as though the whole new edifice is going to be created the tup guidelines do advise staff in

[2:33:57] Voice 23: the ltc to look toward the applicable guidelines for any development permit area that the site

[2:34:04] Voice 23: might be in and in this case this site is in two development permit areas one is development permit

[2:34:08] Voice 23: permit area 6 for steep slopes and soil erosion hazards.

[2:34:12] Voice 23: Only a small portion of the property is actually in the true sort of hazard area as defined

[2:34:19] Voice 23: in the OCP and it's where this new parking lot is proposed to be cut in right here essentially.

[2:34:27] Voice 23: There's already a small driveway access there to a storage shed effectively that's going

[2:34:31] Voice 23: to be demolished but that area is going to be expanded to create the additional parking

[2:34:37] Voice 23: spaces that are required to meet

[2:34:38] Voice 23: the parking requirement for the number of

[2:34:40] Voice 23: residential units that we suppose we don't have a geotechnical report in hand

[2:34:45] Voice 23: at the moment regarding the development of this little satellite parking lot but

[2:34:50] Voice 23: we included as a condition in the TUP that before we would entertain a

[2:34:55] Voice 23: building permit signing off on a building permit for the renovations we

[2:34:59] Voice 23: would want to ensure that geotechnical matters are attended to in regards to

[2:35:05] Voice 23: development permit area six the site's also in

[2:35:07] Voice 23: development permit area two which is a development

[2:35:09] Voice 23: permit area for the form and character of non-village commercial and industrial development

[2:35:15] Voice 23: um it was sort of a toss-up whether we apply the guidelines of dpa1 which is for like village

[2:35:21] Voice 23: development and multi-family residential development or dpa2 which is more what we use

[2:35:26] Voice 23: for the light industrial development that we might see on the island in this case the like it's in

[2:35:31] Voice 23: dpa2 so we just went with the dpa2 guidelines um you know that the applicants have enlisted

[2:35:37] Voice 23: the services of the professional architecture firm they've created you know a fairly standard

[2:35:42] Voice 23: looking residential multi-family development generally in keeping with the form and character

[2:35:48] Voice 23: guidelines the applicants have been accommodating of staff's suggestions for improvement where we

[2:35:53] Voice 23: felt that there were deficient guidelines they are making steps to ensure that there is adequate

[2:36:01] Voice 23: for bicycle parking for example you know it seems logical but given the proximity

[2:36:05] Voice 23: of this building to the work site where all of the folks who live there will be going that it

[2:36:10] Voice 23: might make sense that perhaps um it will be populated by people who would be willing to

[2:36:16] Voice 23: travel by bicycle rather than by car fantastic um just trying to think if there's any other

[2:36:22] Voice 23: guidelines that are worth you know i don't necessarily believe that there are you know

[2:36:29] Voice 23: A TUP application is the expedient way to move toward the resolution that the applicants

[2:36:36] Voice 23: are seeking.

[2:36:37] Voice 23: Ultimately, I can envisage that they are going to have to rezone the property at some point.

[2:36:42] Voice 23: We'll see how temporary the use of these units is for residential purposes or whether it

[2:36:48] Voice 23: in fact will become a long-term residential building for the purposes of employing hospital

[2:36:54] Voice 23: staff.

[2:36:54] Voice 23: And if that's the case, then the applicant should seek to rezone the property sometime

[2:36:59] Voice 23: in future years.

[2:37:02] Voice 23: That would likely also require a concurrent OCP amendment when the time comes.

[2:37:06] Voice 23: You'll note that the land use designation that this land is in would not ordinarily

[2:37:12] Voice 23: support a residential density of the density that's being proposed here.

[2:37:16] Voice 23: Because it's in the rural land use designation, it really only anticipates a maximum of seven

[2:37:22] Voice 23: dwelling units for a property of this size.

[2:37:25] Voice 23: however you know there's currently a 28 unit motel there so this residential use is not a

[2:37:30] Voice 23: significant stretch from especially the repurposing of an existing building is not a significant

[2:37:36] Voice 23: stretch from from the way the building is currently being used and on the whole i don't

[2:37:40] Voice 23: anticipate the neighborhood's going to notice any difference um from the new use if this permit is

[2:37:47] Voice 23: granted relative to the way either that the place is currently being used or in fact if it was still

[2:37:52] Voice 23: been used as a motel i think it'll um it'll all blend fairly seamlessly the property is serviced

[2:37:58] Voice 23: by like i said an on-site sewage treatment system septic field basically was recently

[2:38:05] Voice 23: some repairs were recently done by an engineer that engineer didn't express any concerns about

[2:38:09] Voice 23: the capacity of the septic field to absorb the outflows that are going to be coming from the

[2:38:14] Voice 23: building i think there is still an open question about water servicing to the building north salt

[2:38:21] Voice 23: spring water district has indicated that yes you know there's

[2:38:25] Voice 23: an ongoing moratorium on newer

[2:38:27] Voice 23: expanding connections in the north salt spring waterworks district they've indicated they are

[2:38:31] Voice 23: happy to continue servicing the building through the three-quarter inch connection that currently

[2:38:35] Voice 23: exists and will supply water for fire sprinkling in speaking with the crd about

[2:38:42] Voice 23: these building plans

[2:38:43] Voice 23: they haven't received the formal plumbing plans for it yet and so they are they're reserving

[2:38:50] Voice 23: formal comment until they get the formal plans but they are concerned about whether or not this

[2:38:55] Voice 23: density of residential units can be serviced off of that three-quarter inch connection

[2:39:00] Voice 23: i think that you know the extent to which the ltc wants to make that their issue is is at your

[2:39:07] Voice 23: discretion um it certainly will be resolved or or considered one way or another when a building

[2:39:17] Voice 23: So if it's determined that an upgrade is required in the piping, then the applicant will have

[2:39:24] Voice 23: to determine how they're going to meet that.

[2:39:27] Voice 25: Right.

[2:39:28] Voice 25: Okay.

[2:39:29] Voice 25: Thank you, Jason.

[2:39:30] Voice 23: Thank you.

[2:39:31] Voice 23: You're welcome.

[2:39:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): So do you have any further remarks, or...?

[2:39:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Certainly.

[2:39:34] Voice 14: Well, I might just suggest that we're going to be de-densifying the site from 28 units

[2:39:40] Voice 14: to

[2:39:40] Voice 21: 17 units.

[2:39:41] Voice 21: Right.

[2:39:42] Voice 14: So there will be half as many units.

[2:39:43] Voice 14: and then as you know the building is older the fixtures are not efficient at

[2:39:49] Voice 14: all and so we're going from 28 kitchens and 28 bathrooms to 17 kitchens and 17

[2:39:55] Voice 14: bathrooms half as many units with fixtures that are twice as efficient you

[2:40:00] Voice 14: know the rough water calculation is it's going to be 25% of what's currently

[2:40:04] Voice 14: existing when we did have the septic engineer review the system we had worked

[2:40:10] Voice 14: done the result was that he felt that the system was adequate because again it

[2:40:16] Voice 14: was built for a larger volume of water coming through 28 units where laundry is

[2:40:20] Voice 14: being done every single day I'd love to do my sheets every day but I don't right

[2:40:28] Voice 14: so most people in the residential setting don't so we're expecting about

[2:40:32] Voice 14: 25% of the current water usage will be the draw if it is determined that the

[2:40:39] Voice 14: water isn't sufficient we will be putting in tanks to store it so there's

[2:40:45] Voice 14: no need to address the service it's just a matter of if it's going to have enough

[2:40:52] Voice 14: volume and it appears that it does because it currently does for four times

[2:40:55] Voice 14: the use. Any comment Don? This is Don Brown our architect from the Jensen building.

[2:41:02] Voice 25: This building is part of from the building code point of view it doesn't

[2:41:06] Voice 25: required sprinklers it'd be nice to have that of course but uh we don't need that service

[2:41:11] Voice 25: necessarily uh to move forward with adult permit so and as i think reverting to address all the

[2:41:17] Voice 25: water issues that we've identified today and they all seem to be okay at this stage but of course

[2:41:24] Voice 25: we will be going through a building plan and all these things get checked okay

[2:41:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you trustees

[2:41:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you have any questions for your staff or the applicant comments

[2:41:34] Trustee Grove (probable): nothing important i don't

[2:41:37] Trustee Grove (probable): understand no sprinklers in the building about size?

[2:41:40] Voice 14: It's broken into three fire

[2:41:43] Voice 14: fire broken sections. The

[2:41:46] Voice 25: building is built in three pieces actually, with a fire wall between them, so it allows each building to be built in one piece, it would be, I mean, a building of that size these days wouldn't be built in two pieces.

[2:42:00] Trustee Grove (probable): So if it was built new, it would have sprinklers?

[2:42:02] Voice 25: Yes, if it was built in one building, which is likely, you can look into the fire walls, which are there now.

[2:42:13] Voice 20: I'm glad that we were able to find the temporary use permit process to move forward.

[2:42:20] Voice 20: I think the only, I guess, I'd be happy to take a voluntary is the water data as we are

[2:42:30] Voice 20: continuing to look at bringing water and all of those things, so I think getting the data

[2:42:39] Voice 20: as you get it what is your water usage per unit is valuable data have that

[2:42:47] Voice 20: share something that's accessible so that it's helping us build that story

[2:42:53] Voice 20: sure you'll probably say 17 units is probably not going to cover the need

[2:43:01] Voice 20: that you're already facing at the hospital so we've got more to address I

[2:43:08] Voice 20: I know on the staff report, it did raise commercial units being taken out of service as something for us to pay attention to.

[2:43:18] Voice 20: In general, that's another issue.

[2:43:25] Voice 20: Gary says he likes to look at the glass half full.

[2:43:27] Voice 20: I think I'm looking at the other half, but I guess it's important that we as a community look at the full glass of water.

[2:43:36] Voice 20: The commercial properties in general, I think we need to pay attention to.

[2:43:40] Voice 20: always just a common need to make sure that we are holding on to as a community

[2:43:46] Voice 20: important service our community say vacation accommodation is lower on my

[2:43:54] Voice 20: list of service stations but overall that's another project so

[2:44:03] Voice 14: I speak to

[2:44:04] Voice 14: them

[2:44:04] Voice 20: through

[2:44:06] Voice 14: the chair when we did do an analysis of the number of secondary

[2:44:10] Voice 14: There are secondary suites, cabins, alternate rooms that have gone into short-term vacation

[2:44:15] Voice 14: rentals.

[2:44:16] Voice 14: I mean, I think it's over 500 units.

[2:44:18] Voice 14: And so if our secondary housing stock is our de facto vacation rental, then oddly our vacation

[2:44:23] Voice 14: rentals are going to have to become our de facto staff housing.

[2:44:26] Voice 14: So it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[2:44:29] Voice 14: That's part of the reason why we looked at a temporary use permit, because ultimately

[2:44:34] Voice 14: we're not in the business of housing, we're supporting the hospital, and so this may only

[2:44:38] Voice 14: be a temporary need.

[2:44:39] Voice 14: God knows the market may correct, and these places may come back online again.

[2:44:43] Voice 14: Who knows what's going on in the future?

[2:44:45] Voice 14: But at present, this is a solution that meets the needs, supports the hospital,

[2:44:49] Voice 14: and might still be available to the community if it needs to be reverted back in the future.

[2:44:54] Voice 14: Thank you.

[2:44:55] Voice 21: Okay, thank you.

[2:44:56] Trustee Grove (probable): I agree with

[2:44:57] Trustee Grove (probable): that, and I'd like to move ahead with this, if that's all right, yeah.

[2:45:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Can I just ask a couple questions?

[2:45:01] Trustee Grove (probable): Yeah.

[2:45:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): regarding the water in the sprinkling so is the plan is to spring clear the building no no okay

[2:45:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's what I want before

[2:45:16] Voice 14: we bought it I checked out with Don pickle if I didn't want to spring

[2:45:23] Voice 14: for it would I be able to get water given the more time and he said yes he would provide a

[2:45:27] Voice 14: four-inch standpipe standalone not connected to domestic water for safety reasons but it said

[2:45:32] Voice 14: SUBS WOULD HE MAKE THE FIRE IN DIFFERENT BUILDING AND WOULD GET

[2:45:33] Voice 14: substance soon came clear that with the fire sent to the

[2:45:35] Voice 14: building was that would necessary.

[2:45:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think you said so four separate zoned that if

[2:45:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): firewall independently.

[2:45:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): three.

[2:45:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Those, so

[2:45:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): that is about five or six average units

[2:45:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): separated by a fire break.

[2:45:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's good.

[2:45:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's what I wanted to understand.

[2:45:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[2:45:51] Voice 25: should also say that, you know, in terms of doing the alterations, of course, we get

[2:45:56] Voice 25: better fire separations as well.

[2:45:58] Voice 25: We'll improve the fire separations between the suites, far better than what's there now.

[2:46:05] Voice 25: So, going through the whole building process, we will be enhancing the safety of the building.

[2:46:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Presumably the ceiling between the floors will also meet that.

[2:46:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's one of the critical areas.

[2:46:17] Trustee Grove (probable): Okay.

[2:46:18] Trustee Grove (probable): Peter?

[2:46:18] Trustee Grove (probable): So I will move that the Sultryan Local Trust Committee approve issuance of development permit SSDVP 2022.15.

[2:46:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): So moved and seconded by Laura Patrick. Any further discussion?

[2:46:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[2:46:32] Voice 20: want to be clear. I do understand that the concerns or conversations that are being made in the community,

[2:46:39] Voice 20: but processing forward on this

[2:46:41] Voice 20: building is a separate matter.

[2:46:43] Voice 20: And the BC Housing and other parties are doing what they're doing.

[2:46:51] Voice 20: And I see it as separate.

[2:46:52] Voice 20: Check

[2:46:53] Voice 1: the septic on the building at 101 Bittencourt.

[2:46:55] Voice 1: Check the septic.

[2:46:56] Voice 1: It's not fixed.

[2:46:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[2:46:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any further discussion?

[2:47:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[2:47:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that carries unanimously.

[2:47:05] Voice 20: What

[2:47:06] Voice 3: do we got here?

[2:47:06] Voice 20: Another motion.

[2:47:07] Voice 20: I'll move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of temporary

[2:47:11] Voice 20: use permit SSTU 820.

[2:47:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Second that.

[2:47:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right.

[2:47:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Moved and seconded.

[2:47:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any further discussion?

[2:47:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[2:47:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that two carries.

[2:47:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): There you go.

[2:47:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): any further discussion on this item and let's move to the next topic i'm going to open the

[2:47:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): door i don't know how successful that would be the sun is beating on that side so the next one

[2:47:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): is salt spring development permit 2021.14 that's gun at bettis road uh so if we're on the mute

[2:47:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): permit amendment staff report i'm just gonna carry this one through yeah that one is to me as well

[2:47:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): excellent thank you

[2:47:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): sir page 333 of your package okay

[2:48:08] Voice 23: thank you chair luck this is a minor

[2:48:11] Voice 23: amendment to an existing development permit for the produce storage facility farm education center

[2:48:17] Voice 23: at 189 bettis road really just to catch up our permits to some of the

[2:48:24] Voice 23: realities of site

[2:48:25] Voice 23: development there as as it progressed the original development permit for this was issued

[2:48:31] Voice 23: in 2015 it's included in your staff report as appendix two if you want to have a look at it

[2:48:38] Voice 23: i mean by and large the site that is shown in the proposed amended permit in appendix one looks a

[2:48:43] Voice 23: lot like it did in appendix two um just with a few a few minor amendments uh the sewage system had

[2:48:50] Voice 23: to be relocated on the property um the original storm water management plan was changed uh to

[2:48:56] Voice 23: to sort of quote, the relocation of the second hill

[2:48:59] Voice 23: that it desires to be more of the mature trees

[2:49:02] Voice 23: along the front property line with Bettis Road intact.

[2:49:05] Voice 23: The building itself has been slightly reoriented.

[2:49:08] Voice 23: They've increased the number of parking spaces there,

[2:49:10] Voice 23: but in doing so, decrease the amount of sort of graveled,

[2:49:15] Voice 23: semi-permeable surface by reducing the amount

[2:49:19] Voice 23: of access driveway that's required.

[2:49:21] Voice 23: And then they've also wound up removing some vegetation

[2:49:23] Voice 23: along the front property line to allow for the construction

[2:49:25] Voice 23: construction of the utility shed that's changed the character of the front entrance a little

[2:49:29] Voice 23: bit.

[2:49:30] Voice 23: On the whole,

[2:49:32] Voice 23: I mean, they provided a professional engineer's report regarding stormwater management

[2:49:35] Voice 23: to replace the one that was included in the permit in 2015.

[2:49:40] Voice 23: I can't really second guess the professional

[2:49:43] Voice 23: engineer telling me that the new stormwater

[2:49:45] Voice 23: management plan is adequate, so I will take it at face value that indeed the stormwater

[2:49:49] Voice 23: management plan can accommodate the flows through the property.

[2:49:51] Voice 23: and then you know the only thing that really popped out to staff as we looked

[2:49:57] Voice 23: at the site with the previous permit is in relation to the front entrance there

[2:50:01] Voice 23: where they did clear out some vegetation and also wound up installing a chain

[2:50:05] Voice 23: link gate which is inconsistent with one of the development permit area

[2:50:09] Voice 23: guidelines in development permit area 2 which says that the gate and entrance to

[2:50:13] Voice 23: your property should ideally be finished in natural materials so the applicants

[2:50:18] Voice 23: did update their plans that had been provided to us.

[2:50:23] Voice 23: And so in schedule four of the proposed permit,

[2:50:26] Voice 23: which is appendix one in your staff report,

[2:50:28] Voice 23: they've agreed to face the wood,

[2:50:32] Voice 23: basically just to make it a little more,

[2:50:34] Voice 23: go rather than towing yard.

[2:50:40] Voice 23: And regarding the vegetation that was removed

[2:50:42] Voice 23: to make way for the utility building,

[2:50:45] Voice 23: it's already starting to re-vegetate naturally.

[2:50:47] Voice 23: there was a maple tree that had been removed there and that maple tree has already started

[2:50:52] Voice 23: to do what maple trees do which is start growing out new suckers

[2:50:55] Voice 23: and become a maple tree once

[2:50:56] Voice 23: again.

[2:50:58] Voice 23: I think on the whole the amendments that are proposed are consistent with the guidelines

[2:51:02] Voice 23: for EPA 2 and if the LTC agrees to issue the amended permit then that will help the group

[2:51:10] Voice 23: get on way to opening and being an important resource for the local farming community.

[2:51:14] Voice 23: Thank

[2:51:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): you. Is the applicant here? Oh, hello. Thank you for joining

[2:51:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): us. Do you have any remarks? Do you concur with the recommendation from Stan?

[2:51:23] Voice 15: Yes, I

[2:51:23] Voice 15: certainly do, and I express great gratitude to Jason's work. He took on a file from a previous convention, and it really helped.

[2:51:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions for the applicant or Stan?

[2:51:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[2:51:40] Voice 20: just more of a comment I mean I'm glad to see this is a I think a exciting uh it's been

[2:51:47] Voice 20: exciting for many years and I'm excited to see that maybe it's getting closer to being up and

[2:51:51] Voice 20: running I think it's important to have this as part of our community so thanks to the volunteers

[2:51:57] Voice 20: that are doing the hard work on the property so

[2:52:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): who would like to make a motion all right go ahead

[2:52:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): you

[2:52:02] Voice 20: want me to I'll move it South Spring Island Local Trust Committee approves issuance and

[2:52:06] Voice 20: Development Permit SSBP 14 for Lot A, Section 18, Range 4, East North Salt Spring Island

[2:52:14] Voice 20: Cowichan District Plan, PR19759.

[2:52:19] Trustee Grove (probable): Do I

[2:52:20] Voice 20: have a seconder?

[2:52:20] Trustee Grove (probable): That's EPP.

[2:52:21] Trustee Grove (probable): Oops, you're right.

[2:52:23] Trustee Grove (probable): But that's fine.

[2:52:23] Trustee Grove (probable): And I'll second that.

[2:52:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Seconded by Trustee Grove.

[2:52:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any discussion?

[2:52:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[2:52:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): That carries unanimously.

[2:52:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Excellent.

[2:52:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Good luck with your project.

[2:52:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): The next item, then, is Salt Spring Development Variance Permit 22.5, McDermott at 1521 Gettys

[2:52:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Road, not very far down the road from this previous one.

[2:52:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is the applicant here?

[2:52:50] Voice 8: He's going to join by phone if he's listening.

[2:52:52] Voice 8: Ah, okay.

[2:52:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hopefully that works for you.

[2:52:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we're just going to bring the applicant in by phone.

[2:53:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is it Mr. McDermott?

[2:53:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hello, Mr. McDermott.

[2:53:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hello.

[2:53:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hello, Mr. McDermott.

[2:53:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): yes this is the salt spring island local trust committee calling we are about to hear uh have

[2:53:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): a presentation for your development variance permit at uh at 1521 bettis road and so i know

[2:54:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): you wanted to join us by phone so here we are so staff are going to present the report that they

[2:54:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): have on the property and then there'll be an opportunity for you to speak to your application

[2:54:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then the trustees here will discuss your application or have potentially questions for you or staff

[2:54:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then we'll have a discussion about

[2:54:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Advancing it or not accordingly. So I'll just turn it over to planner Gordon who is going to

[2:54:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Introduce the report that he's provided. Is that okay? Thank you

[2:54:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[2:54:40] Voice 8: Planner Gordon.

[2:54:41] Voice 8: Thank you, Chair.

[2:54:42] Voice 8: Yes, this is a development variance permit to reduce the setback to a lot line for proposed

[2:54:47] Voice 8: carport reduction setback to 6.6 metres or 2 feet from the lot line.

[2:54:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mr. McDermott, can you hear Planner Gordon okay?

[2:55:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to move the microphone over to him and then I'll bring it back to our table.

[2:55:13] Voice 8: So hopefully you can hear me now.

[2:55:15] Voice 8: now. This is a variance permit on a property that's been developed with several structures,

[2:55:24] Voice 8: a single-family dwelling and a couple of accessory buildings. There's a list of CRD permits

[2:55:30] Voice 8: that have been approved on page 384 of the agenda package and then a sort of partial

[2:55:38] Voice 8: site plan on page 385 of the agenda package. The variance request is...

[2:55:46] Voice 24: So just to interrupt briefly, sorry, I shouldn't interrupt, but you'll recall that when I tried to access, and so all I have is your report, I don't, so I have the July, the staff report, now it does have in it some, so that's on page three, is that what you were referring to?

[2:56:18] Voice 8: Yes.

[2:56:18] Voice 24: Okay, thanks, sorry.

[2:56:20] Voice 8: It

[2:56:20] Voice 24: looked to me like there was some stuff that I didn't have, but I think I know what they are.

[2:56:23] Voice 24: Sorry, I'm going to interrupt again.

[2:56:25] Voice 24: No

[2:56:25] Voice 8: problem. So the variance request itself is fairly minor. The issue is that there's direct

[2:56:34] Voice 8: overlap with a registered archaeological site on the subject property and as such would require a

[2:56:41] Voice 8: site alteration permit under section 12 of the Heritage Conservation Act.

[2:56:47] Voice 8: Staff have also recommended that the surveyed site plan be provided that includes all of the

[2:56:55] Voice 8: structures including retaining walls on the subject property and so the

[2:57:00] Voice 8: recommendation is to request that site plan as well as the section 12 permit

[2:57:06] Voice 8: that will be in consideration of this very permit it's a very sort of high

[2:57:16] Voice 8: level view of it but I would leave it there perhaps and that's answering

[2:57:20] Voice 8: any questions that the ltc might have on the roommates application okay

[2:57:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you uh plan

[2:57:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): gordon um so sir do you have any remarks with respect to the report or you're in concurrence

[2:57:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the recommendations there read

[2:57:46] Voice 24: my was

[2:57:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): that part of our package no it would have been shared

[2:57:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): no

[2:57:52] Voice 24: it wasn't yeah so if we got it yesterday

[2:57:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): then i personally have not had a chance to read it out

[2:57:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the trustees are nodding their heads,

[2:58:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): no, it's a little late for us to pick up

[2:58:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): late materials like that.

[2:58:06] Voice 24: So when I called, it was Rob, same as mine,

[2:58:09] Voice 24: yesterday he said this material would get to you.

[2:58:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, well, there's no doubt it's in my inbox,

[2:58:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): but I don't have the capacity to read late items

[2:58:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): when I'm in other meetings continuously, it seems.

[2:58:23] Voice 24: Sorry, I'm not sure who I'm speaking to.

[2:58:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, you're speaking to Peter Lockham,

[2:58:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm the chair of the LTC.

[2:58:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): see.

[2:58:29] Voice 24: Thank you. And

[2:58:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Grove has indicated that he hasn't had a chance to read either.

[2:58:34] Voice 24: All right. So I'll just go through it then. Yeah, please.

[2:58:38] Voice 24: So this is a simple request.

[2:58:41] Voice 24: It's to reduce the setback for the southern interior light line to 0.5 meters. The report

[2:58:46] Voice 24: erroneously says 0.6, but we were thinking two feet. So it doesn't really matter whether it's

[2:58:52] Voice 24: 0.5 or 0.6. Yeah. To allow the owners to construct a carport and enable that in a manner that is

[2:58:58] Voice 24: more efficient use of their property building permit from the capitol regional district they

[2:59:05] Voice 24: will need to obtain a permit pursuant to section 12 of the heritage conservation act because of

[2:59:10] Voice 24: the existence of a shell mitten on the property on this this application was made in late january

[2:59:21] Voice 24: and in early february 7th gave notice of this variance application to the bc archaeology branch

[2:59:30] Voice 24: an email response was received and that notice I don't know if the trustees are

[2:59:38] Voice 24: familiar with that sort of thing yes but that notice contains a section where

[2:59:44] Voice 24: you're putting people who basically to get a copy of anything and I put in the

[2:59:52] Voice 24: email address of the planner who has been dealing with it

[3:00:00] Voice 24: I received a response from the BC Archaeology branch on April 11th, and I sent that to Mr. Gordon on May 1st.

[3:00:10] Voice 24: He then asked me yesterday when he read my submission whether I would resend it to him, which I did.

[3:00:17] Voice 24: The staff report recommends placing this in abeyance until we've obtained a survey

[3:00:25] Voice 24: showing compliance with the proposed carport and setback and apparently all other structures and

[3:00:32] Voice 24: buildings on the property and obtained a site alteration permit which I will refer to as a

[3:00:36] Voice 24: section 12 permit from the BC Archaeology Branch. This suggests that the owners get a section 12

[3:00:42] Voice 24: permit for an area that the Islands Trust was first approved but will not have approved and

[3:00:48] Voice 24: And with respect to the, I don't take issue with getting these things, but the order in which they are suggested is, with the case respect, illogical.

[3:01:03] Voice 24: And what the owners are prepared to do achieves exactly the same thing, but we need the variance first.

[3:01:13] Voice 24: And it can be subject to obtaining the survey and obtaining the site alteration permit.

[3:01:20] Voice 24: But obviously, the BC Archaeology branch needs to deal with their request.

[3:01:32] Voice 24: I don't know who will be on the local trust committee when all of that's done,

[3:01:41] Voice 24: but pretty clearly the current local trust committee cannot bind a future local trust committee.

[3:01:49] Voice 24: What seems to me should happen is that the variance application should be granted,

[3:01:59] Voice 24: And it can be subject to obtaining the Section 12 permit, which we would have to do no matter what.

[3:02:10] Voice 24: And the planners have known this from the outset, and they've known that I have known this, and the owners have known this,

[3:02:18] Voice 24: and we have taken steps to embark on that almost from the outset.

[3:02:23] Voice 24: The survey, what makes sense with the survey, is to have a survey that shows compliance

[3:02:35] Voice 24: with the setback.

[3:02:37] Voice 24: What happens there is that the setback needs to be set, so we've asked for 0.5 meters,

[3:02:44] Voice 24: it could be 0.6, and then, as you know, the surveyor would come around, set out stakes

[3:02:53] Voice 24: to show the limits.

[3:02:55] Voice 24: the structure would be built, and then the surveyor would provide the survey confirming

[3:03:00] Voice 24: compliance. It doesn't make sense to have the survey done in advance of all of it, because

[3:03:08] Voice 24: of course the building wouldn't be built to discuss any of it. But what is the most obvious

[3:03:27] Voice 24: alternative, which is for the local trust committee to grant the lot-line variance?

[3:03:34] Voice 24: The lot-line variance, as you saw, there are two sets of issues. One of the issues is

[3:03:43] Voice 24: adjoining lot line owner an objection or more importantly a consent and in this case that's

[3:03:54] Voice 24: happened the neighboring owner has consented they have no problem with this have been identified the

[3:04:07] Voice 24: issue with respect to this being on a property that requires archaeological research has been

[3:04:19] Voice 24: well known since uh i guess since construction of the house somewhere like that it was before

[3:04:29] Voice 24: the house was built by the owner's parents they have both the two owners now have purchased the

[3:04:37] Voice 24: property or acquired the property from their parents states um the uh there is the trustees

[3:04:47] Voice 24: are aware of this there was a detailed archaeological assessment done yes

[3:04:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): um

[3:04:59] Voice 24: I'm a senior archaeologist with the government, the other one.

[3:05:10] Voice 24: There was consideration at that point, the carport may be constructed.

[3:05:19] Voice 24: The carport is in a slightly different position, but not much, from what's now proposed.

[3:05:27] Voice 24: A quote from the report, no impacts to cultural deposits are anticipated from construction of the carport.

[3:05:34] Voice 24: The area is on an area that has been previously disturbed.

[3:05:41] Voice 24: It says that in the report.

[3:05:43] Voice 24: The proposed carport extends from the southwest corner of the new residence.

[3:05:47] Voice 24: The carport we're proposing would be slightly further to the south.

[3:05:52] Voice 24: This area has been previously stripped and levelled to culturally sterile deposits and

[3:05:57] Voice 24: backfilled with gravel for drainage in 2010, and then the report then confirmed this property

[3:06:10] Voice 24: had been logged in the past, I believe the current owner is parenting 70, but long before

[3:06:19] Voice 24: for that it had been logged and there was a skid trail this mitten goes on to confirm that there's

[3:06:35] Voice 24: been no artifacts faunal remains features or human remains during visual examination and then i think

[3:06:42] Voice 24: one artifact was found ultimately uh nothing more it's a shell mitten and there were numerous

[3:06:50] Voice 24: between 20 and 30 auger tests and that sort of thing done and again with respect to specific

[3:06:57] Voice 24: specific developments report says the proposed location for the carport was visually examined.

[3:07:01] Voice 24: The location is in an area that has been previously stripped of leveled to culturally sterile

[3:07:06] Voice 24: deposits and then a conclusion that construction of the carport won't affect anything.

[3:07:11] Voice 24: So that means that we don't still need to go and get a section 12.

[3:07:18] Voice 24: But it does mean that first of all there's been some studies here and there's a likelihood

[3:07:23] Voice 24: of that.

[3:07:24] Voice 24: But most importantly the archaeology branch is going to need to know exactly where this

[3:07:29] Voice 24: is and and so we think that the staff report is basically a part before the

[3:07:39] Voice 24: horse approach we say that is unfair the owners seek a section 12 permit it's

[3:07:47] Voice 24: logical for the Heritage Conservation Act folks to ask whether a setback

[3:07:52] Voice 24: variance has been obtained when the owners seek to get their building permit

[3:07:57] Voice 24: concluded it's logical for the regional district to require a surveyor to

[3:08:02] Voice 24: confirm adherence to the setback but it's not practical or logical or quite frankly fair

[3:08:08] Voice 24: are these things to be obtained in advance uh the owners commit to doing both these things we say

[3:08:15] Voice 24: the local trust committee should approve the variance being sought there was some comment

[3:08:23] Voice 24: about some other issues relating to whether or not there was disturbance in a riparian area and

[3:08:32] Voice 24: And as a result, the owners were teaming some folks to deal with that.

[3:08:36] Voice 24: And their conclusion is there was no disturbance in the repairing zone.

[3:08:42] Voice 24: I don't know whether you want me to get into that or not.

[3:08:45] Voice 24: I think

[3:08:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): we can ask you questions about it if we have any questions.

[3:08:50] Voice 24: Thank you.

[3:08:51] Voice 24: So my submission is this.

[3:08:52] Voice 24: When the Act is being sought, considerations need to be given to the adjoining property owner and to any other relevant considerations.

[3:09:06] Voice 24: The requirements of planners are to look at First Nations issues, but those First Nations issues will be dealt with.

[3:09:16] Voice 24: And so asking for granting the variance as sought, it can be granted conditional upon seeking and obtaining a Section 12 permit and providing a post-constructional survey confirming compliance.

[3:09:32] Voice 24: That would be fair and reasonable.

[3:09:34] Voice 24: If for some reason there was some thought that that would somehow impede on the jurisdiction of others, I fail to see how that would happen.

[3:09:44] Voice 24: So I'm asking that the variance be granted as sought.

[3:09:48] Voice 24: But by all means, if it's appropriate to make it conditional,

[3:09:52] Voice 24: that will achieve exactly what the staff want,

[3:09:54] Voice 24: but in a much more orderly and normal way.

[3:09:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you very much.

[3:10:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm going to ask trustees now,

[3:10:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): if you have any questions for staff or the applicant,

[3:10:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): I have a question myself, but over to you first.

[3:10:12] Trustee Grove (probable): I have nothing at this point.

[3:10:18] Voice 20: I appreciate the applicant's comments

[3:10:21] Voice 20: comments about what has been done in the past,

[3:10:24] Voice 20: but relationships and so forth with First Nations

[3:10:27] Voice 20: is an evolving action for all agencies.

[3:10:34] Voice 20: So it's just to be aware of.

[3:10:40] Voice 20: I guess that would be a question to staff

[3:10:42] Voice 20: regarding the applicant's request

[3:10:47] Voice 20: about making it subject to, is that a possibility

[3:10:54] Voice 20: or does what difference does that make I

[3:10:58] Voice 8: would suggest that's probably a

[3:11:01] Voice 8: feathering of the discretion of the LTC and that you're deferring your

[3:11:06] Voice 8: decision-making to another agency by making it conditional upon their

[3:11:10] Voice 8: decision so let's say if the desire would be to grant the variance to just

[3:11:14] Voice 8: do so unconditionally or at maximum upon upon the survey condition which would

[3:11:21] Voice 8: could be required at time of building permit as well,

[3:11:27] Voice 8: but it's a harder thing to acquire at that point.

[3:11:30] Voice 8: This is the opportunity for the ELTC to ask for.

[3:11:33] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:11:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): So indeed in the rationale for the recommendation

[3:11:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): says salt duration permit is required.

[3:11:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And despite the fact there may be different opinions

[3:11:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): on that, but the development permit should not be considered

[3:11:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): until this permit is obtained.

[3:11:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think better your discretion is exactly

[3:11:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): the words that I would have used.

[3:11:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): so thank you for that and any other thoughts or do you want me to chime in

[3:11:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): here try them I think Laura captured eloquently with respect that many things

[3:12:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): have changed over time with respect to how this body and other bodies government

[3:12:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): bodies process these sorts of things particularly when the implications are

[3:12:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): that there's archaeological impacts and i certainly recognize that the disturbances

[3:12:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): that have happened on that property are historic at this point and not necessarily that of the

[3:12:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): present applicant or the present property owners however i cannot not say that i find only from the

[3:12:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): photographs have not visited the site but only from the photographs i find the amount of

[3:12:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): disturbance of the midden and the condition at which the midden is in presently which looks

[3:12:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): like it's been machine piled and moved quite honestly is disturbing especially when uh you've

[3:13:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): said that the land has been cleared down to be archaeologically neutral or whatever the language

[3:13:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): was that you used i think that the importance of getting this archaeological report is significant

[3:13:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): And indeed, that office also conducts itself differently today and has different criteria

[3:13:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): to apply to things.

[3:13:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): You have mentioned that an artifact was discovered at some point in time, and what that is and

[3:13:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): how it was was not for me to guess.

[3:13:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): However, I think it is important that that be done because what we know about the village

[3:13:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): sites throughout the Gulf Islands of which this could easily be a whole

[3:13:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): village site given the size of it in relation to the property and the

[3:13:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): proximity to the water course that's there I don't think it's a matter if

[3:13:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're going to find artifacts and even human remains but when and that bothers

[3:14:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): me because I don't want human remains to be excavated in any way shape or form it

[3:14:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): It may be that there'll be some good fortune there and that it'll be determined that where the garage is going to go is not going to impact anything.

[3:14:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so we'll go ahead. But I think these days we proceed with utmost caution.

[3:14:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): And and then despite the fact that it indicates here that if or when you apply for a site alteration permit, that this will be referred to First Nations.

[3:14:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think out of our own Declaration to Reconciliation and our own commitment to work and communicate

[3:14:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): to First Nations, I would like this LTC to refer this to the First Nation, and with a

[3:14:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): recommendation that at any time that the site is being worked on with machinery, that in

[3:14:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): in fact, a First Nations knowledge holder or other be present to ensure that nothing

[3:15:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): untoward happens.

[3:15:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): It occurs to me, however, that there may be expenses associated with that, because we

[3:15:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): do attempt to help offset the cost of having nations conduct that work, particularly when

[3:15:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): when it's at the expense of the nation for benefit to put the property on it,

[3:15:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): that perhaps we might not seek advice from staff as to whether or not there shouldn't be a cost recovery element to that.

[3:15:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): So those are my thoughts.

[3:15:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Can

[3:15:39] Voice 24: I respond to that?

[3:15:41] Voice 24: What's your name again?

[3:15:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Luckham.

[3:15:44] Voice 24: Oh, that's cool.

[3:15:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): L-U-C-K-H-A-M.

[3:15:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): I have, yes.

[3:15:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, that's entirely possible, but I haven't read the report.

[3:16:01] Voice 24: The disturbance to the meeting...

[3:16:09] Voice 24: Yeah, I'm sorry.

[3:16:10] Voice 24: I

[3:16:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): have not read the archaeological report.

[3:16:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): That was only presented to me today, and I certainly plan to.

[3:16:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): However, I just believe that it's our responsibility to be precautious in these situations.

[3:16:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): And the LTC may

[3:16:25] Voice 24: not agree with that.

[3:16:26] Voice 24: Mr. Leck, why didn't they interrupt you?

[3:16:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): No, but I've given you the opportunity to speak when the debate actually exists between the trustees at this point.

[3:16:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): But go ahead, Joe.

[3:16:39] Voice 24: So you haven't read the report. It's a detailed report. It costs well over $100,000.

[3:16:47] Voice 24: It is an extremely detailed report about this entire site.

[3:16:53] Voice 24: The response from the ministry is also detailed.

[3:16:59] Voice 24: I sent all of this to the minister long ago, and I re-sent the response from the ministry.

[3:17:05] Voice 24: It makes no sense and isn't fair to require it to be expensive.

[3:17:20] Voice 24: The owner has some assurance that this lot line variance will be granted.

[3:17:26] Voice 24: Despite Mr. Lutkinson-Passion's speech, first of all, it's not Islands Crest, with respect,

[3:17:32] Voice 24: that is the arbiter of First Nations issues.

[3:17:37] Voice 24: It's the archaeological branch.

[3:17:39] Voice 24: They have the expertise.

[3:17:42] Voice 24: From a practical perspective, what's going to happen here is there's going to be some

[3:17:46] Voice 24: footings dug if everything's allowed, and they, of course, have to approve that.

[3:17:50] Voice 24: The suggestion that other things may be found on this site is frankly ridiculous if one reads this report.

[3:18:02] Voice 24: The archaeologists who did the report were extremely thorough and found one artifact.

[3:18:08] Voice 24: It's a shelving. There's no human remains in it.

[3:18:11] Voice 24: And so it's unfair to juxtapose your personal thoughts, Mr. Luckum, on this particular site.

[3:18:23] the feathering of discretion with

[3:18:25] Voice 24: respect is something that i don't understand what these

[3:18:28] Voice 24: people need it's not feathering anyone's discretion to grant this request the requirement

[3:18:38] Voice 24: significant things be done and the owners are prepared to do that fair thing to do do that

[3:18:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay thank you um mr

[3:18:53] Voice 26: luck on the

[3:18:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): mayor speak um i actually our process requires us to um

[3:19:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Maintain a conversation between the trustees at this point for the for the report and whoever

[3:19:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): the applicant is.

[3:19:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm not sure who you are, sir, but I will ask the trustees.

[3:19:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): My

[3:19:13] Voice 24: name is Robert McDermott.

[3:19:14] Voice 24: No, thank you.

[3:19:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): I know you're Robert McDermott.

[3:19:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's somebody else in the audience which is asking to speak and I don't

[3:19:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): know who that

[3:19:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): is.

[3:19:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): And but if the LTC wishes to hear from a member of the audience, you may know the gentleman.

[3:19:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't.

[3:19:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm Brian Millen.

[3:19:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm the neighbor.

[3:19:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes,

[3:19:33] Voice 24: he's their neighbor.

[3:19:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): And trustees, do you want to continue the conversation here

[3:19:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): or do you want to hear from a member of the public?

[3:19:41] Trustee Grove (probable): I didn't know why a member of the public

[3:19:44] Trustee Grove (probable): would be speaking to us.

[3:19:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, normally that's unusual.

[3:19:47] Trustee Grove (probable): Yeah, it is.

[3:19:47] Trustee Grove (probable): I think we should continue with our discussion.

[3:19:49] Trustee Grove (probable): Okay,

[3:19:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think we should continue with the discussion.

[3:19:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): If it becomes apparent we need to hear more information,

[3:19:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll continue to do that.

[3:19:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is that okay, Trustee Patrick?

[3:20:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): so trustees

[3:20:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): what do you think we should do with this application

[3:20:07] Trustee Grove (probable): I'm inclined to pursue

[3:20:09] Trustee Grove (probable): to follow staff's recommendation

[3:20:12] Trustee Grove (probable): yes

[3:20:12] Trustee Grove (probable): yeah

[3:20:13] Voice 20: no I think that's

[3:20:14] Voice 20: I don't think referring

[3:20:16] Voice 20: because of the permit requirements and so forth

[3:20:18] Voice 20: I don't think referring it

[3:20:19] Voice 20: is useful at this time

[3:20:22] Voice 20: I think proceeding with the

[3:20:24] Voice 20: permit would be the way to go

[3:20:26] Voice 20: as presented

[3:20:28] Voice 20: okay

[3:20:30] Trustee Grove (probable): well I'll move

[3:20:31] Trustee Grove (probable): Move.

[3:20:31] Trustee Grove (probable): The Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[3:20:32] Trustee Grove (probable): requests the applicant with SSDBP 2022.5

[3:20:35] Trustee Grove (probable): provide an updated survey prepared

[3:20:38] Trustee Grove (probable): by the British Columbia Licensed Surveyor

[3:20:40] Trustee Grove (probable): showing the location of the proposed carport,

[3:20:42] Trustee Grove (probable): all other structures within the setback

[3:20:44] Trustee Grove (probable): to the lot line and all buildings labeled correctly.

[3:20:50] Trustee Grove (probable): So move.

[3:20:51] Trustee Grove (probable): Sorry,

[3:20:52] Voice 24: I had understood Trustee Babbitt

[3:20:54] Voice 24: to say she was approving it.

[3:20:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): No, we were having a discussion at the table.

[3:21:01] Voice 18: What's up?

[3:21:02] Voice 18: and

[3:21:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think she is in support of the recommendations yes sorry and trustee patrick has

[3:21:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): seconded the motion and in fact the debate is about to begin um and trustee patrick may choose

[3:21:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): to not vote in favor of it and may choose to bring a different motion um it is normal practice for a

[3:21:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): motion to be first moved and then somebody to second it whether you agree with it or not um so

[3:21:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): So at the present moment, the motion has been moved and seconded.

[3:21:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): So now I'll ask for discussion on the motion.

[3:21:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Either of you wish to speak to it.

[3:21:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Grove, it's your motion.

[3:21:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): I have nothing further to add. Thank you.

[3:21:42] Trustee Grove (probable): Trustee Patrick.

[3:21:42] Voice 20: No, I'll speak.

[3:21:43] Voice 20: I mean, I was inclined to say the subject two was interesting,

[3:21:47] Voice 20: but I'm going to take the advice from staff that this is the way back.

[3:21:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[3:21:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any further discussion?

[3:21:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): No.

[3:21:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm going to call for the vote.

[3:21:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[3:21:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[3:21:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that carries unanimously.

[3:22:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's a second motion there, I believe.

[3:22:03] Voice 20: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:22:06] Voice 20: request the applicant for SSDBP 2022.5

[3:22:10] Voice 20: obtain a site alteration permit

[3:22:12] Voice 20: from the British Columbia Archaeological Branch

[3:22:15] Voice 20: for the proposed carport development.

[3:22:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): I second that.

[3:22:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): So moved by Trustee Patrick, seconded by Trustee Grove.

[3:22:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any discussion?

[3:22:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): No.

[3:22:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, then I will call the vote.

[3:22:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[3:22:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): That too carries unanimously.

[3:22:30] Trustee Grove (probable): So I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:22:32] Trustee Grove (probable): places SSDVP 2020 2.5 in abeyance until recommendations 1 and 2 of the report

[3:22:39] Trustee Grove (probable): dated July 12, 2022 are satisfied.

[3:22:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Moved by Trustee Grove, seconded by Trustee

[3:22:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Patrick. Any further discussion? All those in favor? That 2 carries unanimously. Thank

[3:22:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): you. Is there any further business today with this application?

[3:22:56] Voice 26: Nothing? All right.

[3:22:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): this

[3:22:57] Voice 26: particular application yes am i allowed to speak now you

[3:23:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): know i don't have any objection to

[3:23:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): you speaking however um the opportunity to speak to applications on the agenda is during the town

[3:23:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): call um because it just creates a a a perception of fairness and appropriateness but if the ltc

[3:23:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): wishes to hear from a member of the audience so go ahead sir i

[3:23:28] Voice 26: wanted to point out mr de la

[3:23:29] Voice 26: You're making a judgment in your speech about the midden based on a recent photograph.

[3:23:37] Voice 26: You have nothing to compare it to in its origin.

[3:23:41] Voice 26: And in fact, it has changed virtually a little.

[3:23:45] Voice 26: A tree was removed from that midden, or a tree root was removed from it, and

[3:23:50] Voice 26: the midden was smoothed over.

[3:23:52] Voice 26: So in effect, your view of how the midden had been disturbed was erroneous.

[3:23:59] Voice 26: That's what I had to tell you.

[3:24:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): No, you're perfectly right, but I did say that I haven't seen it in person,

[3:24:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the photographs appear in that way.

[3:24:08] Voice 26: The decision on appearance is not on facts.

[3:24:11] Voice 26: That's your correct.

[3:24:13] Voice 26: Thank you.

[3:24:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so I think that concludes that application.

[3:24:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for joining us today, Mr. McDermott.

[3:24:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm

[3:24:26] Voice 24: going to put on that I consider this decision to be unfair,

[3:24:31] Voice 24: We'll be seeking a review of it with the ombuds person.

[3:24:34] Voice 24: And I find, Mr. Luckin, your gratuitous comments when you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about to be really, really quite unfair.

[3:24:42] Voice 24: Haven't read the report, haven't viewed the property, and you make this impassioned speech.

[3:24:47] Voice 24: It's rather silly.

[3:24:49] Voice 24: Thank you.

[3:24:50] Voice 24: We have our – we'll proceed with that.

[3:24:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[3:24:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right.

[3:24:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let's go to the next application, 16.4.

[3:25:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is that guy off now?

[3:25:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Now, you've disconnected.

[3:25:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Development governance permit 2022.14 Grange

[3:25:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): at 113 Leanne Road is the applicant with us today.

[3:25:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Welcome sir, thank you.

[3:25:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Over to the, is that also you, Gordon?

[3:25:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Chair.

[3:25:30] Voice 8: This is a fairly straightforward variance permit.

[3:25:33] Voice 8: As the applicant can probably better explain than I,

[3:25:36] Voice 8: the foundation for a single family dwelling

[3:25:38] Voice 8: that's currently under construction at the address

[3:25:41] Voice 8: was a little too close to the front lot line and so the applicant is seeking to vary that

[3:25:48] Voice 8: requirement for the front lot line in Suffolk. I believe it's down to 6.6 meters from the

[3:25:55] Voice 8: required 7.5. So it's a fairly minor reduction and is in keeping with similar reductions

[3:26:05] Voice 8: from an adjacent property received.

[3:26:10] Voice 8: So given the sort of minor nature

[3:26:12] Voice 8: in the fact that the venue of the inspection

[3:26:14] Voice 8: was cracked as soon as it was discovered,

[3:26:15] Voice 8: staff do you recommend that the variance be issued?

[3:26:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Very good, thank you.

[3:26:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you agree with the staff report

[3:26:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): or have any other remarks?

[3:26:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): No.

[3:26:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you, sir.

[3:26:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustees, what would you like to do?

[3:26:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any questions?

[3:26:32] Voice 20: Well, I just have one comment.

[3:26:33] Voice 20: This is a brand new strata and we've already had,

[3:26:36] Voice 20: This is the second one in a brand new strata that's had the building lots up to, you know,

[3:26:42] Voice 20: which just raises to me, how do stratas get approved at the building lots?

[3:26:46] Voice 20: I thought they had to be, anyway.

[3:26:48] Voice 20: I'm just frustrated to see two out of two needing variances so far on a strata that's

[3:26:56] Voice 20: brand new, no, relatively new.

[3:26:58] Voice 20: Yeah,

[3:27:00] Voice 8: I think if you look at the useful area of these lots, they are limited, and this

[3:27:06] Voice 8: this was an error the other was sort of an intentional use of the property but right there are

[3:27:13] Voice 8: minimum areas typically required for the player in some cases point taking

[3:27:19] Trustee Grove (probable): thank you seen that

[3:27:22] Trustee Grove (probable): before any route moving the sultan local trust committee approves issuance of ss 2022.14

[3:27:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): seconded by trustee patrick any further discussion all those in favor

[3:27:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): There you go.

[3:27:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, sir.

[3:27:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let us move along then now to 16.5,

[3:27:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Schultzman Development Permits 2022,

[3:27:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Court Coran at Clamshell Island,

[3:27:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Development Variance Permit to reduce the setback

[3:27:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the natural boundary of the sea

[3:27:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): for retaining all septic field.

[3:27:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): And is the applicant here?

[3:27:58] Voice 25: Yeah.

[3:27:58] Voice 25: Hi

[3:27:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): there, thanks for joining us.

[3:28:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think you've seen the process.

[3:28:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll get a staff report we'll ask you for your remarks and then we'll have a

[3:28:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): decision here. Over to you Planner Gordon again.

[3:28:09] Voice 8: Thank you Chair. So this is the

[3:28:11] Voice 8: second time the Global Trust Committee has considered this variance permit. The first was at the

[3:28:16] Voice 8: March 22nd of this year where they resolved to send the variance to First

[3:28:23] Voice 8: Nations who may have interests in the area. So just as a refresher this is a

[3:28:30] Voice 8: variance permit to reduce the sep act and natural boundary of the sea for a sewage or septic

[3:28:36] Voice 8: disposal field grey water disposal field and the applicant has is utilizing composting toilets so

[3:28:43] Voice 8: this is a grey water dispersal field system as well as a secondary structure a small retaining

[3:28:53] Voice 8: wall that's in the septic natural boundary so based on the referral that went out

[3:29:00] Voice 8: staff did receive two responses, one from Couch and Vibes which was sort of a conversation

[3:29:08] Voice 8: which expressed some concern about the cumulative impact of development in that area.

[3:29:14] Voice 8: Ultimately they didn't submit anything in writing, however it appeared they deferred

[3:29:19] Voice 8: to Blacks and First Nations who did submit a written piece of correspondence in response

[3:29:24] Voice 8: to this application which clearly indicated their lack of support for the proposed variance.

[3:29:29] Voice 8: In the time since the variance was considered, the applicant did also revise the building

[3:29:35] Voice 8: permit plans to utilize a holding tank system that eliminates the use for any sort of grey

[3:29:43] Voice 8: water disposal system.

[3:29:44] Voice 8: And on that basis, the building permit was approved without the requirement for the septic

[3:29:51] Voice 8: field.

[3:29:52] Voice 8: Obviously, the applicant is still pursuing this option and would revise the building

[3:29:55] Voice 8: permit if the variance is granted.

[3:29:56] Voice 8: but given the response from

[3:30:00] Voice 8: First Nation, LACs and First Nation, as well as the alternate option we have in the suit for this

[3:30:07] Voice 8: staff do recommend that the variance be denied.

[3:30:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you. So is it Denny Corcoran?

[3:30:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Corcoran. Corcoran, thank you. You wish to make some remarks with respect to the

[3:30:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): staff recommendation yeah

[3:30:25] Voice 27: just when he when he asked for their opinion he hadn't had that last

[3:30:31] Voice 27: letter that i sent reaffirming that none of the toilets are going to be connected to the septic

[3:30:36] Voice 27: system so that changes the kind of the look of it a lot like it's it's not actually even a septic

[3:30:44] Voice 27: field it's my showers and my sinks i'm just recycling the water from my shower and my sinks

[3:30:50] Voice 27: or anything connected to the toilets is all handled on a different system that

[3:30:55] Voice 27: isn't part of this area okay okay it's the engineer his wording was I guess in

[3:31:03] Voice 27: his first where he just called it a septic field whereas it's yeah I'm just

[3:31:09] Voice 27: trying to recycle my water so I'm not paying a company to come and suck out my

[3:31:21] Voice 27: I don't see that being very environmentally friendly and literally everything I'm doing

[3:31:27] Voice 27: there is environmentally friendly.

[3:31:29] Voice 27: I do my own solar, I'm harvesting my own water, I'm composting my own waste and I'm being

[3:31:39] Voice 27: as respectful as I can to the local area so I don't see the effects to water at all which

[3:31:44] Voice 27: which was their concerns from their ladder that I read.

[3:31:50] Voice 27: But again, they were just assuming

[3:31:52] Voice 27: it was gonna be a full-time social system

[3:31:54] Voice 27: going into the, without the engineer's ladder,

[3:31:59] Voice 27: which states that it's not connected to toilets at all.

[3:32:04] Voice 27: Right.

[3:32:06] Voice 27: So basically, my little island out there,

[3:32:08] Voice 27: it doesn't get enough rain in summer as it is.

[3:32:12] Voice 27: So it's already starting to turn brown

[3:32:14] Voice 27: in another couple of weeks, it'll be very brown.

[3:32:16] Voice 27: Yep.

[3:32:16] Voice 27: Whereas if I'm collecting all the water for winter, so I'm storing it under the house

[3:32:21] Voice 27: in these holding tanks, which are half the house with others, and this way I'm recycling

[3:32:27] Voice 27: my water throughout the year in showers and in my sinks, and it slowly waters the trees

[3:32:32] Voice 27: which I'm planting in this area, which are going to be screening from the ferry terminal,

[3:32:37] Voice 27: which is right next to me.

[3:32:39] Voice 27: So that's my reason behind it, and I'm very interested to why Islands Trust wouldn't want

[3:32:47] Voice 27: me to recycle my water because i understand if it was a full septic

[3:32:51] Voice 27: system pumping out that sewer into the side of

[3:32:54] Voice 27: the rock but it clearly states that it's not and

[3:32:59] Voice 27: i'd also just note that basically i'd say at least 50 percent of my neighbors

[3:33:03] Voice 27: all have septic fields that don't give them that 30 meter setback

[3:33:10] Voice 27: along say spot point there it's the whole

[3:33:17] Voice 27: I didn't see that I should be unjustly not allowed to have my field, whereas they've

[3:33:24] Voice 27: all got these pre-existing ones that are actually full septic systems.

[3:33:29] Voice 27: I'm happy to put in any sort of extra filtration if need be.

[3:33:36] Voice 27: I'm just looking not to waste tens of thousands of litres of water by shipping it via expensive

[3:33:43] Voice 27: which would then damage your shoreline every time it came to land.

[3:33:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you. I guess given what we've just heard, do the trustees have any remarks,

[3:34:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): or do you want to hear a response from staff, or is there a necessity to reconsider this,

[3:34:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): have staff reconsider it given the late information, or is that late information?

[3:34:12] Voice 8: Yeah, so he's referring just to that letter that was attached to the staff report from

[3:34:20] Voice 8: the engineer that just clarifies that yes, there are composting toilets being utilized.

[3:34:25] Voice 8: So it is just a greywater system, though I don't know that our land use by-law is responsive

[3:34:30] Voice 8: enough to differentiate between, it's a sewage disposal field.

[3:34:34] Voice 8: Between what?

[3:34:35] Voice 8: Between the black and greywater disposal, so it is effectively a sewage disposal field.

[3:34:40] Voice 8: but we know it's very different.

[3:34:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Trustee Patrick?

[3:34:44] Voice 20: Well, if you built a smaller house,

[3:34:47] Voice 20: you could have room to put the system on the island.

[3:34:49] Voice 20: So I support the stop report.

[3:34:57] Trustee Grove (probable): The, if I may, and the problem we've got

[3:34:59] Trustee Grove (probable): is this letter from First Nations,

[3:35:01] Trustee Grove (probable): and we can't, we can't, well, we can,

[3:35:04] Trustee Grove (probable): but I'd be loathe to do something which is,

[3:35:08] Trustee Grove (probable): you know, flies in the face of what they've asked us to do.

[3:35:11] Trustee Grove (probable): So my suggestion would be that you meet with them and explain to them what it is you're trying to do

[3:35:15] Trustee Grove (probable): And maybe they may charge you for their time

[3:35:19] Trustee Grove (probable): But clearly they're not happy at all with these plans

[3:35:28] Voice 27: As far as my correspondence with Gordon, he asked me if one of them, if I could pay for one of them to come out and

[3:35:38] Voice 27: Talk to me about it, and I said yes I could and I've never heard anything more from them

[3:35:44] Voice 27: So, I was aware that I should be researching out to them myself, but I thought you guys had already done that and just been biding my time.

[3:35:55] Trustee Grove (probable): Fair enough, but you're aware of the negative response we received from them.

[3:36:01] Voice 27: Yeah, and they were worried about the clam beds and stuff, which stayed in the letter that had already been destroyed by the ferry moving in there.

[3:36:11] Voice 27: And I've never seen anybody harvesting any plants anywhere in that area, and this system

[3:36:18] Voice 27: that I'm...

[3:36:19] Voice 27: The main thing is that they just read your letter and they saw a sewerage system, where

[3:36:25] Voice 27: your bylaws don't really allow for the distinction, but it isn't a sewerage system.

[3:36:31] Voice 27: It's just recycling water that I could literally put a filter on and reuse.

[3:36:37] Voice 27: but

[3:36:37] Trustee Grove (probable): my recommendation is that you would reach out to them and have them over show them what you're doing and then

[3:36:44] Trustee Grove (probable): See try to get them on site because pretty difficult for us to recommend pressing on with this based upon their method. Wow

[3:36:54] Voice 8: So

[3:36:55] Voice 8: Yes, please

[3:36:57] Voice 8: Denise correct that

[3:37:00] Voice 8: Upon initial conversation couch and tribes expressed some interest in coming to the site to visit

[3:37:05] Voice 8: I attempted several times to get a cost estimate from them to come over to look at the site to which they never responded.

[3:37:16] Voice 8: So if the LTC wishes to facilitate First Nations' visit to the island, I would recommend that they endorse a cost recovery agreement.

[3:37:24] Voice 8: So that it's sort of an awkward administrative process to go through,

[3:37:29] Voice 8: but we did get indication from finance that that is required to effectively fund First Nations site visit.

[3:37:37] Voice 8: So if the LTC would like Blackson or Cowichan tribes to come over,

[3:37:42] Voice 8: I would suggest that they endorse the cost recovery agreement

[3:37:44] Voice 8: so that staff could then facilitate that visit if that's their desire.

[3:37:49] Voice 8: Right. And

[3:37:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): we have some general idea of cost.

[3:37:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah,

[3:37:52] Voice 8: it would be ferry and gas mileage effectively.

[3:37:55] Voice 8: Okay, so

[3:37:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just know, you know, I think it's a good question, Trustee Patrick has suggested

[3:38:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): if a smaller house is built, then the septic field wouldn't have to go where it's going.

[3:38:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): So what considerations have you given to rejigging the site in order to facilitate not requiring

[3:38:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): ...

[3:38:17] Voice 27: No matter what the island is, it's not a possible way to get in that septic.

[3:38:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Except make the house smaller.

[3:38:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Even

[3:38:27] Voice 27: if the house is smaller, I'm still within the 30 meters from every shore, it's an island.

[3:38:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I realize it's an island, yeah.

[3:38:35] Voice 27: It's impossible to get the 30 meter setback, which was understood from the get-go.

[3:38:40] Voice 3: I see.

[3:38:43] Voice 27: And yeah, I've met with the engineer and I've designed the field.

[3:38:49] Voice 27: How

[3:38:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): big is the island, remind me?

[3:38:51] Voice 27: It's 1.1 acres.

[3:38:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): 1.1 acres or hectares?

[3:38:58] Voice 27: more or less

[3:38:59] Voice 27: the official wording is 1.1

[3:39:02] Voice 27: more or less

[3:39:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): it depends on

[3:39:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): where the tide is

[3:39:06] Trustee Grove (probable): that's what I would do

[3:39:07] Trustee Grove (probable): because it's not going to happen unless you get them on side

[3:39:10] Trustee Grove (probable): I mean what can we do

[3:39:11] Trustee Grove (probable): when they're saying no

[3:39:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): we respect

[3:39:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): First Nations points of view

[3:39:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): on these matters

[3:39:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): especially when it comes to islets

[3:39:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): because they are

[3:39:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): important places to the nations in fact i can tell you that the laxon the sail consider the islands

[3:39:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): their relatives and so we have we absolutely have to take that into consideration so

[3:39:44] Voice 27: it feels a

[3:39:45] Voice 27: little unfair for me to be singled out like this whereas all my neighbors but

[3:39:48] Trustee Grove (probable): excuse me i'm sorry

[3:39:49] Voice 27: before

[3:39:50] Trustee Grove (probable): your neighbors are on the on the mainland they're not on little islands

[3:39:53] Trustee Grove (probable): yeah it's

[3:39:55] Trustee Grove (probable): a completely different kettle of fish yeah

[3:39:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): so i think it's worthy to uh reach out and

[3:40:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think the suggestion that staff had is a good one to enter into a cost of recovery agreement

[3:40:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the applicant in order to uh facilitate first nations visits to the site and that this

[3:40:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): application be deferred to a future meeting would be the way i think that would unfold and so if you

[3:40:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): If that's desirable of the LTC, or if you want to make some other motion, don't let me fatter your discussion, so to speak.

[3:40:29] Voice 27: Can I just note, this has already been seven months?

[3:40:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): I, yeah.

[3:40:35] Voice 27: And it'll be...

[3:40:36] Voice 20: I'm sorry about that.

[3:40:37] Voice 20: We can deny the application.

[3:40:39] Voice 20: Yeah.

[3:40:40] Voice 20: Yeah.

[3:40:45] Trustee Grove (probable): So, what are we saying?

[3:40:47] Trustee Grove (probable): That we, Salisbury Island Trust Committee, recommend that come up with the...

[3:40:51] Trustee Grove (probable): We enter into

[3:40:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): a cost recovery agreement with the applicant.

[3:40:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, go on.

[3:40:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): to facilitate First Nations site visits and that the application be deferred to

[3:41:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): a future meeting but I'll second that thank you

[3:41:04] Voice 10: oh moved your second that

[3:41:08] Voice 10: trustee Patrick sure

[3:41:09] Voice 25: thank you

[3:41:11] Voice 25: Rob's doing you

[3:41:12] Voice 10: didn't move it Henry doesn't

[3:41:14] Voice 10: know did you get it we've

[3:41:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): got technology is proving

[3:41:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): challenging and you're okay planning Gordon if you just

[3:41:28] Voice 8: sorry very one moment

[3:41:30] Voice 8: i'm just going to do one okay

[3:42:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so did you manage to get that keyed in or you've got it

[3:42:22] Voice 10: written down it will

[3:42:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): send it to me right

[3:42:24] Voice 8: um okay let's

[3:42:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): i mean it's worthwhile getting it right

[3:42:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): we've got a screen projector there we go it looks like the bulb is about

[3:42:36] Voice 10: to die everything's about

[3:42:37] Voice 10: to die even i am not to worry we do the best we can sorry

[3:43:20] Voice 7: the

[3:43:30] Voice 8: motion as i heard it was um the

[3:43:33] Voice 8: the South Spring Island Lumpur Trust Committee requests staff to enter into a cost recovery

[3:43:36] Voice 8: agreement with the applicant for a First Nations site visit of the subject property.

[3:43:42] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:43:43] Voice 11: That's right.

[3:43:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): And defer

[3:43:44] Voice 10: the application to a future meeting.

[3:43:47] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:43:47] Voice 8: And defer.

[3:43:56] Voice 7: Go ahead.

[3:44:25] Voice 20: I'm satisfied with the agreement.

[3:44:30] Trustee Grove (probable): Okay.

[3:44:30] Trustee Grove (probable): Let's press on.

[3:44:31] Trustee Grove (probable): I know.

[3:44:31] Trustee Grove (probable): Okay.

[3:44:32] Trustee Grove (probable): I agree.

[3:44:32] Trustee Grove (probable): I don't want to.

[3:44:33] Trustee Grove (probable): You're

[3:44:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): moved and seconded.

[3:44:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): You're content with the motion?

[3:44:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[3:44:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): We heard it.

[3:44:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:44:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): So any further discussion?

[3:44:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[3:44:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[3:44:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that carries

[3:44:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): unanimously i

[3:44:42] Voice 20: do have another motion i'd like to oh

[3:44:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay please consider

[3:44:47] Voice 20: check the project

[3:44:57] Trustee Grove (probable): okay good i'll second that all right so

[3:44:59] Voice 20: i move that

[3:45:00] Voice 20: you're ready rob sorry in the middle of one i move that the ltc the salesman ltc place a review

[3:45:07] Voice 20: of the residential zoning on eyelids on the projects list under item two residential zoning

[3:45:31] Voice 13: zoning on islets that's as far as I got oh

[3:45:36] Voice 19: on the projects list under item two land use by-law okay

[3:45:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): um so I seconded that

[3:45:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's move to a second I just want to let the applicant know that this

[3:45:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): is actually not something that would necessarily affect your property because your property is

[3:46:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): already zoned your application is in and your application would be uh subject to the zoning

[3:46:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): AT THE TIME THAT YOU MADE THE APPLICATION, SO ANY REVIEW IS NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR

[3:46:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): PUNITIVE, OKAY?

[3:46:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT.

[3:46:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): IT'S JUST THAT THIS CONVERSATION HAS COME UP LOTS OF TIMES BEFORE, AND THERE ARE A VARIETY

[3:46:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): OF CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH SPONSORS.

[3:46:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'M SURE YOU CAN APPRECIATE THAT.

[3:46:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): ALL RIGHT.

[3:46:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): SO THEN THAT'S MOVED AND SECONDED.

[3:46:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): ANY DISCUSSION?

[3:46:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

[3:46:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): SO THAT CARRIES.

[3:46:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): ALL RIGHT.

[3:46:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, with respect to the first motion, staff will work with the applicant and I think it's

[3:46:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): really in the best interest of everybody to come to a successful outcome and you can have

[3:46:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): that conversation with the nation.

[3:46:56] Voice 27: Yeah, well they've been out to the island.

[3:46:59] Voice 27: Islands Trust had brought them out to the island previously.

[3:47:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, but it's nothing to do with us, the site visit aspect of it.

[3:47:08] Voice 27: No, but they've been, like, First Nations.

[3:47:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, absolutely.

[3:47:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): They've been there for tens of thousands of years.

[3:47:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's no doubt about that.

[3:47:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I think it's important for them to see what your site plan is,

[3:47:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): where the building's going to go, and come to understand your plan and all that.

[3:47:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so, you know, you can, and maybe they will go, no, we don't need to go there.

[3:47:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): We've seen the information and it's satisfactory or whatever.

[3:47:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): So it's a matter of entering into that, having that discussion.

[3:47:38] Voice 27: And, yeah, I was open to it months ago when they asked me to pay the ferry ride, and I said yes.

[3:47:45] Voice 27: It

[3:47:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): does take time.

[3:47:47] Voice 27: Yeah, well, that, so I guess I'll see you guys in about three months.

[3:47:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't know.

[3:47:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): It takes time because they have much higher priorities than us, you know, so.

[3:48:00] Voice 27: Yeah, yeah, I didn't see why they're concerned at all.

[3:48:04] Voice 27: Yeah,

[3:48:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm having a hard time hearing you, sorry.

[3:48:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): So

[3:48:07] Voice 27: I do not see why they're concerned at all, but I understand that they're worried about the waterways, so yeah, if I can reach out to them and explain that something's going to be up in water, then...

[3:48:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): So the islands and islets in the Salish Sea are their traditional territory. It's their home. That's why they're concerned.

[3:48:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): The

[3:48:31] Voice 27: whole area their traditional home?

[3:48:32] Voice 27: Pardon me?

[3:48:33] Voice 27: So the whole area?

[3:48:34] Voice 27: The whole area.

[3:48:35] Voice 27: Yeah.

[3:48:36] Voice 27: Yep.

[3:48:36] Voice 27: So I'm just, I feel like I'm being more singled out.

[3:48:40] Trustee Grove (probable): I'd like to ask a different question. I think Greece either. That's

[3:48:46] Trustee Grove (probable): what got all of our attention.

[3:48:49] Trustee Grove (probable): You

[3:48:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): go super Catholic.

[3:48:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): You're not being singled out. It's a commitment that the Downs Trust Council has to nations, broadly.

[3:49:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, let us

[3:49:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): continue.

[3:49:03] Voice 11: Continue.

[3:49:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): 16.6 is the Salt Spring rezoning 2017.3, Couligan, 2188 North End Road, Salt Spring Island, rezoning for a second dwelling unit. Is the applicant here?

[3:49:16] Voice 8: The applicant's not here. They did submit a police, of course, form, I believe, last week, which is a few minutes away.

[3:49:23] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:49:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Your name is Couligan?

[3:49:30] Voice 8: Yes.

[3:49:31] Voice 8: Okay. Over to you.

[3:49:44] Voice 20: correspondence in regard to the cost recovery yes

[3:49:48] Voice 8: so this is a rezoning application from 2017

[3:49:56] Voice 8: to make lawful a long-standing unlawful use of a second structure dwelling on the property

[3:50:03] Voice 8: the intent was to rezone it for affordable housing there is a long history of

[3:50:11] Voice 8: LTC consideration of this item one of which one of the resolutions passed was for the LTC

[3:50:19] Voice 8: endorsing the cost recovery agreement for the legal review of a housing agreement to ensure

[3:50:24] Voice 8: that the second dwelling is an affordable housing unit the applicant didn't provide

[3:50:30] Voice 8: the requested six thousand dollars required for that legal review and at the end of the fiscal

[3:50:38] Voice 8: year finance asked that staff effectively cancel that request just in terms of good bookkeeping

[3:50:44] Voice 8: and so in recognition that the LTC is undertaking other housing policy work the suggestion is that

[3:50:53] Voice 8: the LTC put this into abeyance until the conclusion of that work because it may have

[3:50:57] Voice 8: an effect on this ongoing rezoning and I can address the applicant's letter if you'd like

[3:51:05] Voice 8: but effectively the LTC requires or Island Trust requires Island Trust lawyers to

[3:51:12] Voice 8: review legal documents not the applicant so that's that's the difference in cost

[3:51:17] Voice 8: there. So

[3:51:18] Trustee Grove (probable): this is a good recommendation I'd say. I move that the

[3:51:23] Trustee Grove (probable): Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee places application SSRZ 2017.3 in advance

[3:51:28] Trustee Grove (probable): until the conclusion of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Housing

[3:51:30] Trustee Grove (probable): action program by law 530 okay

[3:51:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): moved and seconded yeah any further discussion of

[3:51:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): all those in favor so that carries great all right and I think that concludes

[3:51:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): that one so 6.6 so now we're into section 17 we I asked will we ask staff

[3:51:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): have to come back with an update on bylaw 530. Do you want to address that now, or do you want

[3:52:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): to do the watershed, finish that one, and then the delegations, and then do the bylaw 530? What

[3:52:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): order would you like to do this in?

[3:52:13] Trustee Grove (probable): Let's get on with 530.

[3:52:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, let's move to bylaw number 530,

[3:52:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): which is on page 138 of your package.

[3:52:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): And thank you for spending the time to reflect on that

[3:52:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): and help us out in our decision-making.

[3:52:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Over to you, Regional Planning Manager Garbo.

[3:52:35] Voice 18: Thank you, Chair.

[3:52:36] Voice 18: I did my best.

[3:52:37] Voice 18: I think I've got everything that we talk about this morning

[3:52:41] Voice 18: because our video doesn't work.

[3:52:44] Voice 18: I will say, if you don't mind, go to page,

[3:52:46] Voice 18: I believe it's 148, which is Appendix 2.

[3:52:51] Voice 18: 148.

[3:52:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): 148.

[3:52:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's the proposed Appendix 2?

[3:52:55] Voice 18: Yeah, and then I can walk you through the changes.

[3:52:58] Voice 18: Okay.

[3:52:58] Voice 18: So in definition, we are deleting everything after the sentence that say,

[3:53:07] Voice 18: and its own independent entrance.

[3:53:09] Voice 18: We're going to stop there and delete the rest.

[3:53:13] Trustee Grove (probable): So you're on page 148.

[3:53:19] Voice 18: Let me just go back to the...

[3:53:21] Voice 18: So

[3:53:21] Trustee Grove (probable): are you on page 148?

[3:53:23] Trustee Grove (probable): That's correct.

[3:53:24] Voice 18: It's the status.

[3:53:24] Trustee Grove (probable): Okay, thank you.

[3:53:29] Voice 18: In definition, we're just going to keep the first three lines and delete the rest.

[3:53:41] Voice 18: Delete anything after independent entrance.

[3:53:46] Voice 18: So we're not going to define what it is, which is what the LTC recommended.

[3:54:01] Trustee Grove (probable): Sorry, that's not what the lawyer said, right?

[3:54:04] Trustee Grove (probable): The lawyer deleted everything after dwelling unit.

[3:54:09] Voice 18: We're not referring to the legal opinion.

[3:54:12] Voice 18: We're just bringing back what we said about this morning.

[3:54:17] Voice 18: LTC asked us to make some changes based on the comments that you made

[3:54:22] Voice 18: so that you can make a second reading motion based on the revised file.

[3:54:29] Voice 18: So now we are bringing to you with all those changes that we talked about this morning

[3:54:36] Voice 18: And the first change was to fix a definition simplified it not to define it. So we've got that

[3:54:44] Voice 18: so delete

[3:54:46] Voice 18: That it doesn't make sense so far. We propose

[3:54:50] Voice 3: that change to simplify it. Yep

[3:54:53] Voice 18: Okay. So the next change we made is deleted the

[3:54:58] Voice 18: 2.3

[3:55:01] Voice 18: Sorry outside 3.14 point 1 and the detached accessory dwelling unit

[3:55:07] Voice 18: we are deleting item four that talks about covenant ltc suggests to delete that yeah

[3:55:16] Voice 21: okay

[3:55:17] Voice 18: so and then the next change is this is going to be a bit hard to read out but it's a table

[3:55:28] Voice 18: there's 2.6 which

[3:55:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): page uh

[3:55:31] Voice 18: it's 150

[3:55:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay i got it yeah okay

[3:55:35] Voice 18: it's a second table that has the

[3:55:38] Voice 18: rural zoning,

[3:55:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): we

[3:55:40] Voice 18: are going to add two columns. One is CD3 and then one is F1, Forest 1.

[3:55:51] Voice 18: And we're going to allow detached on both and secondary suites on both.

[3:55:58] Voice 21: And

[3:56:01] Voice 18: then within the

[3:56:02] Voice 18: same table on secondary suites, we're going to propose to allow secondary suites across

[3:56:09] Voice 18: across the whole zones, as LTC suggested.

[3:56:16] Voice 18: Good.

[3:56:16] Voice 18: Well, except RI.

[3:56:19] Voice 18: Except RI?

[3:56:19] Voice 18: Yeah.

[3:56:20] Voice 18: OK.

[3:56:21] Voice 18: I would .

[3:56:21] Voice 18: I

[3:56:22] Voice 20: think

[3:56:23] Voice 18: RI out.

[3:56:24] Voice 18: OK.

[3:56:25] Voice 18: So while we're still on that, the last thing

[3:56:29] Voice 18: is a question for LTC.

[3:56:32] Voice 18: After hearing the discussions today,

[3:56:36] Voice 18: we would like to actually pick out under our eye and we have the number one the

[3:56:42] Voice 18: footnote we would like to take it out and not allow detached in the rule

[3:56:49] Voice 18: island

[3:56:50] Voice 11: there

[3:56:52] Voice 20: is the only exception is we do have a couple of very large rule

[3:56:59] Voice 20: rural islets that are caught under the rural islet until we do some sort of a future review

[3:57:05] Voice 20: of that.

[3:57:07] Voice 20: Could an acreage setting take care of, maybe that could take care of the rural islets and

[3:57:13] Voice 20: not, you know, I'm not trying to fire people up that are going to come out and complain

[3:57:18] Voice 20: about this.

[3:57:19] Voice 20: If we set an

[3:57:20] Voice 20: acreage, a high acreage on the rural islet, then that sort of takes care

[3:57:25] Voice 20: of all the little ones that shouldn't have.

[3:57:30] Voice 18: So are you saying it applies to where we said no ADU allow for anything under 1.2 hectare?

[3:57:43] Voice 11: As a rural island?

[3:57:45] Voice 18: Yeah.

[3:57:46] Voice 11: That would make sense.

[3:57:50] Voice 18: We can change that note to say that.

[3:57:54] Voice 20: Yeah, maybe that, just put the note, I would do that.

[3:57:57] Voice 20: Change the note on the rural island to be 1.2 hectare.

[3:58:01] Voice 20: Minimum

[3:58:02] Voice 18: lot area to be 1.2.

[3:58:04] Voice 20: Yeah,

[3:58:05] Voice 18: when we start

[3:58:05] Voice 20: with that for this review process and then that, we can always correct that.

[3:58:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just have to ask a question.

[3:58:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): In the affordable landscape of affordable housing, is there a need on rural islands?

[3:58:30] Voice 20: Well, because right now they have seasonal cottages allowed.

[3:58:33] Voice 20: So that's the problem.

[3:58:35] Voice 20: is right now they're allowed a seasonal cottage but

[3:58:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's strictly a seasonal

[3:58:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): cottage correct

[3:58:43] Voice 20: but yeah it's a toughy one so

[3:58:50] Voice 21: that's that so

[3:58:51] Voice 20: the larger sized

[3:58:52] Voice 20: ones are the ones where it's only going to be of concern we already protest

[3:58:56] Voice 18: that

[3:58:57] Voice 18: we did not allow it in version one so what

[3:59:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm what size of islands are we

[3:59:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): talking about by comparison 12 acres

[3:59:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): secretary islands and strata that's a startup like a 12

[3:59:08] Voice 20: acre island so

[3:59:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's make it less than 10 acres which would be three hectares well

[3:59:14] Voice 20: i think 1.2

[3:59:15] Voice 20: is at least consistent for now and then i can

[3:59:18] Voice 20: always make it bigger if it's

[3:59:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): not great that's

[3:59:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're about here

[3:59:21] Voice 20: that's something that we can change

[3:59:24] Voice 6: absolutely okay okay

[3:59:27] Voice 18: so the final change

[3:59:29] Voice 18: is this three section we're supposed to remove as a result of this that I

[3:59:35] Voice 18: mentioned earlier. Yeah. So

[3:59:37] Voice 18: we're at that. And

[3:59:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): what sections are those? That is

[3:59:40] Voice 18: referring to R7A, R5, RU1F. Those are the zone variants that talks about seasonal

[3:59:53] Voice 18: no, is it seasonal cottage or cottages? Full-time rental. Full-time rental. Right.

[3:59:58] Voice 9: And because...

[4:00:00] Voice 18: this AD, you will absorb it. We need to delete those sections.

[4:00:04] Voice 3: Okay.

[4:00:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Understood. Are you

[4:00:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): all on the same page? Yep.

[4:00:14] Voice 18: So if

[4:00:15] Voice 18: trustee OTC wants to make a motion of

[4:00:19] Voice 18: giving this a second reading as amended? No.

[4:00:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. If that's worth then, that's fine.

[4:00:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): One, if you have a motion. I'm sorry. Yeah,

[4:00:39] Trustee Grove (probable): sure. We're on page

[4:00:43] Trustee Grove (probable): Page 138, right?

[4:00:44] Voice 21: Yeah, 138.

[4:00:46] Voice 26: 138, correct.

[4:00:46] Trustee Grove (probable): So we've done the first one.

[4:00:48] Trustee Grove (probable): We've done the first one.

[4:00:49] Trustee Grove (probable): No, we

[4:00:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): haven't done the first one.

[4:00:56] Trustee Grove (probable): So I move that Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:00:58] Trustee Grove (probable): gives by-law number 530 as amended, right?

[4:01:04] Trustee Grove (probable): Cited as Salt Spring Island and use by-law number 355199,

[4:01:08] Trustee Grove (probable): amendment number one, sorry, number one, 2022.

[4:01:13] Trustee Grove (probable): A reading, second time.

[4:01:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I would personally put the amended

[4:01:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): as amended after the quotation marks when you cited what the bylaw is.

[4:01:22] Trustee Grove (probable): Okay.

[4:01:23] Trustee Grove (probable): Do you want me to call that out again?

[4:01:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): No, I think we're good.

[4:01:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[4:01:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): You've got that right, really?

[4:01:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[4:01:30] Voice 6: We're

[4:01:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): just adding the word as amended after the quote.

[4:01:33] Voice 6: I agree.

[4:01:34] Voice 6: Amended a reading the second time.

[4:01:37] Voice 6: As amended a reading.

[4:01:40] Voice 6: Cited as...

[4:01:41] Voice 20: Read a second time, I think is...

[4:01:43] Voice 20: Yeah, it changed, yeah.

[4:01:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Be read a second time.

[4:01:47] Voice 20: Yeah.

[4:01:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): So moved and seconded?

[4:01:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[4:01:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): That carries.

[4:01:54] Voice 20: There's a

[4:01:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): third, second motion.

[4:01:56] Voice 20: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:01:58] Voice 20: has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[4:02:01] Voice 20: Directives Only Checklist and determined that

[4:02:04] Voice 20: bylaw number 530 cited in the Salt Spring Island plan

[4:02:06] Voice 20: is bylaw number 255-1999 amendment number one,

[4:02:10] Voice 20: 2022 is not contrary to or at variance

[4:02:13] Voice 20: with the Islands Trust Policy Statement.

[4:02:15] Voice 20: Now second that.

[4:02:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, moved and seconded.

[4:02:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any discussion?

[4:02:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): all those in favor carries it's gonna be a virtual information meeting yes thank

[4:02:27] Trustee Grove (probable): you very much that this also can I move it's also a local trust we direct

[4:02:30] Trustee Grove (probable): request staff to to host a virtual public information session and public

[4:02:36] Trustee Grove (probable): hearing for Salt String Island local trust committee by law number 530 site

[4:02:40] Trustee Grove (probable): the Salt String Island land use by law number 3 5 5 1999 amendment number 120

[4:02:46] Trustee Grove (probable): 2022.

[4:02:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): moved and seconded patrick yeah i did i'm sorry all those

[4:02:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): in favor that carries

[4:02:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): there we go what a lot of work so if it's all right i'll keep rolling along here

[4:03:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): next item is the watershed stewardship video request for support that's on page 485

[4:03:17] Voice 20: This is a very significant video series that they are planning.

[4:03:26] Voice 20: So this is not about asking us to pay for this or to run this.

[4:03:29] Voice 20: What they're looking for is that they could be able to say that we are in support of this video as they go out to fundraise.

[4:03:37] Voice 20: The conversations I had with them is this is approaching a $100,000 project.

[4:03:42] Voice 20: This is a very significant how to use water, how to manage your wells, very how-to information

[4:03:49] Voice 20: that I think would be brilliant to have and also getting into information about watersheds

[4:03:56] Voice 20: and all of, you know, written in a way that's extremely educational and would hopefully

[4:04:01] Voice 20: last a long time.

[4:04:03] Voice 20: But they do need to go out and drum up the money to pay

[4:04:07] Voice 20: for this series and having our

[4:04:09] Voice 20: support is appreciated.

[4:04:13] Voice 7: And what does that look like Laura? I

[4:04:15] Voice 20: think it's just letters of

[4:04:15] Voice 20: support that they could use you know in their funding applications and as they

[4:04:22] Voice 20: go out to drum up support so it's sort of proactive. Eventually they're hoping that William will provide his input and suggestions as the

[4:04:32] Voice 20: project that carries on but um primarily it's just visual support of the project

[4:04:39] Voice 20: i

[4:04:39] Voice 7: agree to that i can

[4:04:41] Voice 20: i can attempt a motion if you're ready there rob about the south

[4:04:49] Voice 6: spring island ltc support

[4:04:52] Voice 20: the development of a south spring island water stewardship video series

[4:05:01] Voice 20: by providing letters letters i'll put plural because i don't know what they'll need letters

[4:05:05] Voice 20: of support they may need letters for various agencies there but maybe sounds

[4:05:14] Voice 6: good that the

[4:05:15] Voice 6: salt spring island ltc support the development of a salt spring island waterships water stewardship

[4:05:23] Voice 6: video series by providing letters of support yes now second that i

[4:05:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): would say the motion

[4:05:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): then moved and seconded as read out any discussion all those in favor and carries unanimously

[4:05:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): sleep that will be a fabulous project i look forward to seeing it

[4:05:39] Voice 20: well once they get the money

[4:05:41] Voice 20: all

[4:05:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): right so the next item here is something that i added by delegations um and it's just

[4:05:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): come up a couple of times and it sort of strikes me as it's been on again off again as to whether

[4:05:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): or not and i believe that we have i know we have policy regarding delegations uh both the lcc and

[4:06:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Council and that the delegations be approved by the chair and or the

[4:06:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee and that the delegation submissions be received prior to the

[4:06:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): delegate making a presentation and I'm just thinking in the transition with

[4:06:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): resources and the like that we've not been necessarily hearing that or maybe I

[4:06:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): just have a misunderstanding about the delegations process and just just want

[4:06:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): to raise that, if it would be a good idea to do that for political reasons, if nothing else.

[4:06:38] Voice 18: Chair, just so you know, we always follow the policy. Our

[4:06:42] Voice 18: legislative clerk is really good at

[4:06:44] Voice 18: that. They make sure that the delegation and submission is on time, and also the contract,

[4:06:51] Voice 18: there's no defamatory reminder. So they did go through all of that before they put it on their

[4:06:59] Voice 18: agenda i

[4:07:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): see okay so i i think there's an expectation that the delegations would be

[4:07:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): approved by the chair or the ltc uh

[4:07:11] Voice 18: i did have a prior correspondence from my predecessor from

[4:07:15] Voice 18: stephen and he did explain that it doesn't require the chair's approval according to the policy

[4:07:23] Voice 18: as

[4:07:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): long as you

[4:07:24] Voice 18: follow the policy yeah

[4:07:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): well that's interesting so maybe we should review that policy

[4:07:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): and determine whether or not it's appropriate or not.

[4:07:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): I didn't have a chance to pull it up yesterday

[4:07:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): when I realized that we should discuss this behind the people.

[4:07:37] Voice 18: I'll be happy to email that to you.

[4:07:39] Voice 18: That'd be great.

[4:07:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Email it

[4:07:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): to all of us.

[4:07:41] Voice 18: Yeah, when I email you the survey, I'll include that.

[4:07:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Perfect.

[4:07:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): OK, that's all I wanted to say, just

[4:07:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): to be sure that we're following a process

[4:07:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the public understands what the expectations are.

[4:07:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm super glad that you're filtering the content.

[4:07:55] Voice 19: Yeah, we are.

[4:07:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's we're not filtering but uh overseeing content anything else on that topic no sir

[4:08:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right so our next meeting is scheduled for uh 9 30 august the 9th another month marches on

[4:08:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): it does yeah so i'll call for adjournment if there's no yes all those in favor yep that carries

[4:08:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you everybody thank you certainly warmed up it has thank you audience members for being here

[4:08:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Just

[4:08:24] Voice 2: as we're all friends here as members of the public, I'm going to say I'm still not very clear about the creation of 17 full-time housing units at 101 Bittenport on the septic system that we don't know if it works because we don't know the goal for the septic system.

[4:08:41] Voice 2: and I don't know if there's

[4:08:46] Voice 2: has been filed

[4:08:48] Voice 2: I don't know if he knows the septic system

[4:08:53] Voice 2: how is it considered that the engineer just said

[4:08:57] Voice 2: that it's not working and what

[4:08:59] Voice 2: you're allowing 17 full-time residents moving from

[4:09:05] Voice 2: something that's a vacation zoning which has been temporary

[4:09:13] Voice 21: We

[4:09:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): may need to terminate this.