Denman Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 19, 2022

[0:00:01] Trustee Fast: okay i like the sound of ping pong in the morning

[0:00:10] Trustee Fast: okay well welcome uh participants and anybody who's uh watching the recording to the um july

[0:00:20] Trustee Fast: 19th 2022 uh meeting of the denman island trust committee and um i'm uh we're in the room the

[0:00:30] Trustee Fast: activity center on denman island and there's no members of the public here at the moment so

[0:00:34] Trustee Fast: i'm assuming people will come in and uh i just want to uh begin the day by acknowledging that

[0:00:41] Trustee Fast: we're fortunate to be able to gather uh from areas around the coast sales territory into this

[0:00:46] Trustee Fast: uh denman island where um placed to each how did i do uh as

[0:00:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): far as we know

[0:00:55] Trustee Fast: a territory that's very special to the Comox people, their territory.

[0:01:00] Trustee Fast: And I'm Sue Ellen Fast, elected on Bowman Island, and I'm the vice chair of the Islands Trust.

[0:01:05] Trustee Fast: So I'm chair of the Denman Local Trust Committee, and I'm joined today by the Denman Local Trustees,

[0:01:12] Trustee Fast: Laura Bershaken and Trustee David Critchley over there.

[0:01:17] Trustee Fast: And together we make up the Denman Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:20] Trustee Fast: There we go. So the recording has started again.

[0:01:23] Trustee Fast: And I've moved the cords, my apologies, my foot pulled out the cable.

[0:01:28] Trustee Fast: And we're now finished with Section 8.2, and we're on to Section 9.1.

[0:01:37] Trustee Fast: So this is the McDonald application.

[0:01:41] Trustee Fast: So please,

[0:01:42] Voice 7: Planner Zopanis, take it away.

[0:01:44] Voice 7: Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is an application for a development permit for DPA number 5, which is your village development permit.

[0:01:53] Voice 7: And Marlis McCarter has left me to sort of help introduce this report, so hopefully I can answer any questions you have, otherwise I can get a whole number.

[0:02:02] Voice 7: So this is 43676 Denman Road. The development permit is for the construction of a veterinary clinic in Commercial Court, and there is a single-family dwelling in association with this redevelopment of the property.

[0:02:16] Voice 7: And the property is about 3 acres, as shown on Figure 1.

[0:02:24] Voice 7: The applicant is going to be constructing the clinic within an accessory building attached to the property, which is formerly a garage.

[0:02:34] Voice 7: We constructed it as a garage accessory to the building.

[0:02:37] Voice 7: There was a Citing and Use Permit in 2020 that was issued, and at that point it was strictly residential.

[0:02:43] Voice 7: That's why the development permit wasn't a part of this process.

[0:02:47] Voice 7: But the ownership of this has changed and so the modification to the plan shows the intended use of that accessory building for commercial purposes.

[0:02:57] Voice 7: So the staff report is pretty comprehensive in terms of outlining how this application complies with the guidelines of your development permit area.

[0:03:06] Voice 7: and the OCP and land use by law there's a draft permit attached that shows the specific conditions

[0:03:12] Voice 7: related to landscaping screening as well as parking requirements and that's really the

[0:03:19] Voice 7: extent of this DP the staff recommendation is to issue the development permit as is consistent with

[0:03:25] Voice 7: your guidelines if you have any questions I'm happy to try to answer them okay

[0:03:31] Trustee Fast: thank you very

[0:03:33] Trustee Fast: much and uh we've got the report in front of us starting on page 30 to page 46 and uh any

[0:03:40] Trustee Fast: questions for the planner go ahead justin christie yes

[0:03:44] Voice 2: so um looking through the regulations as best

[0:03:50] Voice 2: i can am i correct that we cannot impose any other additional conditions such as requiring

[0:03:59] Voice 2: requiring installation for sound in the vet clinic area, being mindful that vets operations may have some barking dogs from time to time.

[0:04:12] Voice 2: And the proximity of neighbors there is quite close, so it's a concern to me, but it may be that we can't do anything about it.

[0:04:20] Voice 7: It's a very small lot configuration adjacent to other residential uses.

[0:04:26] Voice 7: So that is a concern. The applicant unfortunately isn't here to hear these comments because it would have to be voluntary to say increase the installation requirements above and beyond what the building code currently requires for a commercial application.

[0:04:44] Voice 7: I'm not sure if it's similar for residential or not for commercial purposes for construction.

[0:04:49] Voice 7: And since there's no building permit inspection service to sort of follow up on that, it would strictly be voluntary at this point in time.

[0:04:57] Voice 7: Your DP does not contemplate a higher construction standard for the purposes of sound grouping. It's really a form of character.

[0:05:06] Voice 2: Right. And also on that topic, the Islands Trust does not have jurisdiction over the noise in any event.

[0:05:19] Voice 2: it. So that would, if there was undue amount of barking going on, that would be a noise

[0:05:28] Voice 2: complaint to the Comox Valley Regional District, who do have a noise bylaw that applies to

[0:05:35] Voice 2: Denman Island, as I understand it.

[0:05:36] Voice 7: That's correct, but it is permitted use. The commercial use is permitted, and so the

[0:05:42] Voice 7: noise bylaws come into effect through the zoning, or the noises are not consistent with

[0:05:48] Voice 7: the zoning that's permitted. So even though some people might say well commercial use is only

[0:05:54] Voice 7: limited to business hours so there shouldn't be any noise associated with that commercial use

[0:05:58] Voice 7: after. That could be really tricky. The zoning permits a wide variety of commercial uses

[0:06:08] Voice 7: and historically commercial zone that was applied from way back when and with very close proximity

[0:06:18] Voice 7: many residential uses so it's not ideal there's no offer to create a better space in that regard so

[0:06:27] Voice 7: it could be a potential language conflict with those nice issues and it's not enforceable

[0:06:33] Voice 2: yeah because in practice although it's been a number of those properties zoned

[0:06:38] Voice 2: commercially historically being used as dwellings at least either in whole or in part

[0:06:44] Voice 2: That is a concern. Is that clinic actually a designated ward within the commercial use, or are we using some interpretation of commercial?

[0:06:58] Voice 7: Let me check. It's in the site context to the staff report. It's in the site context to Attachment 1.

[0:07:21] Voice 7: I started looking

[0:07:23] Voice 2: that up, and I got distracted.

[0:07:25] Voice 2: Sure,

[0:07:26] Voice 7: I can do that. If there's other questions, I can take them.

[0:07:28] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:07:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Just to appreciate it.

[0:07:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, sure.

[0:07:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Assuming that at some point the veterinary clinic may no longer operate,

[0:07:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): then that building will still be, could be, you know,

[0:07:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): rented or used for another commercial purpose.

[0:07:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Is that how it's, so it's not tied to being a vet clinic?

[0:07:51] Voice 7: No.

[0:07:52] Voice 7: No.

[0:07:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So it will then be a commercial building.

[0:07:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): there's

[0:07:55] Voice 7: no changes to the external right yeah yeah

[0:07:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay um that yeah and i'll just like while

[0:08:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i'm half the floor i'll speak to the noise issue like i i don't think it's gonna be

[0:08:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): actually problematic like i there's already a vet clinic running operated by the same people

[0:08:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): are staffed by them next door um and i attend that vet clinic and um it's there's been no

[0:08:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): issues with noise there and i've actually never when i was attending ever never you know there's

[0:08:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the odd barking but it's it's a busy area that people walk their dogs back and forth there all

[0:08:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the time back and forth from the guest house and um i don't think um you know and the animals come

[0:08:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): they have an appointment and they go so if there's one barky dog it's not like a boarding facility

[0:08:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): where there might be a few barky dogs that just like are there 24 hours.

[0:08:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So I don't actually see it as a challenge with the barking or the meowing.

[0:09:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): If

[0:09:11] Voice 2: I could just play a little devil's advocate. Go for it.

[0:09:16] Voice 2: I'm concerned that if we are not compelled to do this and we do do it,

[0:09:22] Voice 2: But we then create a scenario where we don't know what the future use will be vis-a-vis a vet.

[0:09:32] Voice 2: And a vet could well have some sort of temporary board and while the dog is ill, for example.

[0:09:42] Voice 2: And that could be fairly extensive.

[0:09:46] Voice 2: I just don't know.

[0:09:47] Voice 2: Well, I mean, I did hear that when the adjacent premises were being used temporarily for vet

[0:09:54] Voice 2: purposes, that there was no intention to have boarded dogs there.

[0:09:58] Voice 2: And that was sort of set a, in a way, a mind's at rest, possibly, on it.

[0:10:07] Voice 2: But once it's established as a vet clinic and we've given it a permit for that very

[0:10:14] Voice 2: purpose that I'd be concerned if if it has some ability to put constraints on

[0:10:25] Voice 2: it do you favor do that just because of the I think unforeseen nature of issues

[0:10:34] Voice 2: that could arise there and the close proximity not only the one immediate

[0:10:41] Voice 2: neighbor but people behind it going to be an affordable housing with ten units

[0:10:47] Voice 2: or whatever so your

[0:10:52] Voice 7: development permit and only have conditions related to the purpose of the

[0:10:57] Voice 7: development program which is for my character the zoning you're able to set conditions of use

[0:11:04] Voice 7: within the zone right specific

[0:11:06] Voice 7: to different uses we don't see that in the way the land use bylaw

[0:11:10] Voice 7: set up that's not it's not really conducive to that because it's got a bit of an unconventional

[0:11:15] Voice 7: format with the checkboxes. So it's a little harder to lay it out, but other zoning guidelines

[0:11:22] Voice 7: would have conditions of use for different types of uses that could be more specific.

[0:11:26] Voice 7: So it looks like the commercial zoning doesn't specifically permit or specify veterinary

[0:11:34] Voice 7: clinic as a defined term in a commercial zone. So the closest thing I can find, and I have

[0:11:41] to

[0:11:41] Voice 7: confirm with the planner that this is how they interpreted it, is under personal services,

[0:11:46] Voice 7: which is a defined use, and it includes a broad range of services and health care, professional health care,

[0:11:54] Voice 7: and incidental retail sales that are commonly associated with those things.

[0:11:58] Voice 7: So under the broader umbrella of health, not just humans,

[0:12:04] Voice 7: it looks like that's how the commercial zone has been interpreted to allow for that type of a land use.

[0:12:11] Voice 7: and it's under that zoning then that you would have to specify conditions around hours of operation

[0:12:19] Voice 7: or limitations to overnight boarding, things like that,

[0:12:25] Voice 7: so that it would really just be a day clinic versus an overnight if that was the way to put it.

[0:12:30] Voice 7: It couldn't be through the development permit.

[0:12:32] Voice 7: I

[0:12:34] Voice 2: see. But if the proposed use is definitely permitted by the current zoning,

[0:12:44] Voice 2: that we basically have no options, we just have to approve the development program because it checks all the boxes, literally.

[0:12:52] Voice 2: But if it doesn't, if we can say legitimately that this isn't a use contemplated by the commercial zone,

[0:13:02] Voice 2: on a

[0:13:03] Voice 2: different interpretation than staff have given, then we would be to a rezoning process,

[0:13:11] Voice 2: at which point we may put on special conditions. Correct. So that it hangs

[0:13:19] Voice 2: really on whether that is a proper interpretation of personal services

[0:13:24] Voice 2: includes that clinic.

[0:13:26] Voice 7: Yeah so I can't pull it up on the screen here for you or anything to show you.

[0:13:31] Voice 2: Is it in the

[0:13:32] Voice 2: definition section of the bylaw? Yeah.

[0:13:34] Voice 7: Under definition and then page, in terms of a commercial and so on and so forth.

[0:13:53] Voice 7: There aren't other uses specified in the zone the way it's set up that would really be applicable.

[0:14:03] Voice 7: So I can check with the planner to clarify that I'm correct in that.

[0:14:10] Voice 7: This is where I...

[0:14:14] Voice 2: There's not a quick reading of that without putting too much of a lawyer hat on the thing.

[0:14:18] Voice 2: I'm not immediately seeing that that necessarily fits.

[0:14:24] Trustee Fast: I'm going to put myself on the list for a moment.

[0:14:30] Trustee Fast: Two things.

[0:14:32] Trustee Fast: One is just an example from Bowen Island, where we have a development called Artisan Square,

[0:14:38] Trustee Fast: which has multifamily housing with businesses in them.

[0:14:45] Trustee Fast: And we've had a vet clinic there for about, it must be 15 years or so,

[0:14:51] Trustee Fast: And it's in the bottom floor of a multi-use unit that includes residential.

[0:15:04] Trustee Fast: And it hasn't been a problem.

[0:15:05] Trustee Fast: And they do overnight.

[0:15:07] Voice 2: Sorry, they do?

[0:15:08] Voice 2: They

[0:15:08] Trustee Fast: do overnight boarding when needed.

[0:15:12] Trustee Fast: They also try to keep the dogs quiet.

[0:15:17] Trustee Fast: And I'm not sure what they've got in the way of, you know,

[0:15:20] Trustee Fast: Dogs that are in there are sick, and they want usually, but anyway, it hasn't been a problem on both.

[0:15:27] Trustee Fast: So that's just one example, and I don't know very much about it, except that I'm a patron of the clinic.

[0:15:32] Voice 2: Yes, I'm wondering if that building has more than, or has purposely put in insulation to control for something.

[0:15:41] Trustee Fast: It may very well have, because it's got a bunch of, I believe it's got a bunch of adaptations to be a clinic.

[0:15:50] Trustee Fast: and it's going to, I think it's had a few kind of remodelings, I'm not sure.

[0:15:55] Trustee Fast: But anyway,

[0:15:56] Voice 1: that's just an example.

[0:15:57] Voice 1: My

[0:15:57] Trustee Fast: question for the trustees, I guess, is would a vet clinic be a benefit to the island in terms of farming?

[0:16:09] Voice 2: Oh, you know, I think a vet clinic is a benefit and would be welcomed,

[0:16:16] Voice 2: but I don't want to impose a potential nuisance on the next-door neighbors.

[0:16:25] Trustee Fast: Yeah, okay, I just wasn't clear on, I don't know the history, so I don't know, maybe you can tell, is it a part-time use?

[0:16:33] Trustee Fast: Do the people come from somewhere else, or the vets that have been using?

[0:16:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Does

[0:16:39] Trustee Fast: it make it a permanent use?

[0:16:40] Trustee Fast: I mean,

[0:16:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like right now they're operating out of a different building, and I don't know their plans.

[0:16:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Like it's a couple, they're both vets, they work for a Comox Valley vet clinic, and

[0:16:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): they started this sort of outpost on Denman,

[0:16:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and it's just open on Tuesdays um and um and it's it's great to be very welcome yeah and I believe

[0:17:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm not sure that when they come over well now they live here but it used to be people were

[0:17:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): coming traveling here and still actually it's not just that that couple that works at Buckingham

[0:17:13] Voice 3: other

[0:17:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): people come they commute here to staff the clinic on Tuesdays and I believe that they also

[0:17:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Also, when they're here, they will do visits to farms to deal with farm animals.

[0:17:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think it's very welcome on Denman.

[0:17:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Good.

[0:17:29] Trustee Fast: I just haven't heard it mentioned, so I just want

[0:17:31] Trustee Fast: to make sure I was

[0:17:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in the same boat.

[0:17:33] Trustee Fast: Yeah, it's

[0:17:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): bringing a service we had to go to town for to Denman, which I think is a really good thing.

[0:17:40] Voice 3: I

[0:17:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): think that it does have some usefulness for farmers also.

[0:17:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay yeah and i guess i just i'm not like i don't know if we can turn down the development

[0:17:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): permit because we're worried about noise because the development permit is i think it's just this

[0:18:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah so um other than perhaps writing a letter to them or letting them know that we

[0:18:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we're asking them to be concerned about that i don't know what else we can do and i guess i

[0:18:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): remain not very concerned like i think it's quite a small space and so they're not gonna have a lot

[0:18:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of dogs if they're boarding and they live the closest of anyone like they live right next door

[0:18:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): so um you know that's also a nice thing it would be like boarding with no one close by and um

[0:18:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you know people can have dogs anyways people can have three dogs five dogs and many people do

[0:18:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and they have they can do what they want with it they can keep them outside all night long barking

[0:18:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, although that usually leads to trouble.

[0:18:49] Voice 2: I think the planner made the point that it's different.

[0:18:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It is different.

[0:18:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And

[0:18:54] Voice 2: that's part of it.

[0:18:56] Voice 2: That defines what is sort of the normal amount

[0:19:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of noise for that operation.

[0:19:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): But if there was a dog boarding facility or a vet that boarded dogs and they were barking all night long or barking like for hours,

[0:19:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): would that so you're saying that like if someone tried to make a noise complaint would be like no

[0:19:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that's part of the commercial use like is commercial use supposed to be reasonable

[0:19:19] Voice 7: yeah so that's i think that's where it gets really tricky because that's the issue with

[0:19:23] Voice 7: residential zoning that commits agriculture for example and people are making complaints around

[0:19:29] Voice 7: the animals making noises at four o'clock in the morning when the residents next door are trying to

[0:19:36] Voice 7: sleep and a regional district comes in and says this is a permitted view right it is very difficult

[0:19:43] Voice 7: for us to say there's a threshold of tolerance for that noise during certain hours unless it's

[0:19:50] Voice 7: explicit in a condition of use in zoning that you can do all these residential things but if you're

[0:19:56] Voice 7: going to have the keeping of roosters uh that they need to be a no insulator crew that has to be

[0:20:03] Voice 7: We can't be free-ranging between 11 p.m. and 8 a.m.

[0:20:10] Voice 7: So it's really tough for a regional district to enforce a noise bylaw

[0:20:15] Voice 7: or the land use that's been set up to kind of create those conflicts.

[0:20:20] Voice 7: Got it.

[0:20:23] Trustee Fast: I'm going to put myself on the list and say,

[0:20:26] Trustee Fast: if anybody knows the issues of noise near residential areas,

[0:20:34] Trustee Fast: is it's going to be events that are in practice.

[0:20:36] Trustee Fast: Like, they will probably have thought about this.

[0:20:40] Trustee Fast: And I wonder, because it's their business

[0:20:45] Trustee Fast: and they've been doing it for a while.

[0:20:46] Trustee Fast: And secondly, if there's an issue,

[0:20:53] Trustee Fast: then would that be the time to consider a rezoning?

[0:20:58] Voice 7: So, through the chair, your assembly, Marla,

[0:21:01] Voice 7: does not have a lot of options built into the commercial zoning

[0:21:06] Voice 7: zoning or the industrial zoning. It is pretty basic. And so this would be considered a typical

[0:21:12] Voice 7: type of rural land use is to have a veterinary clinic for, you know, you're not at home office

[0:21:18] Voice 7: or office space. And so an office space could also be there for the delivery of animals

[0:21:25] Voice 7: to kind of check them out and send them on their way. I think what you're referring to

[0:21:28] Voice 7: is really that boarding element of veterinary clinics where they're in surgery and they're

[0:21:37] Voice 7: They're observing the animals overnight and providing for care, and there might be some more intense uses of the land based on that particular element of their service.

[0:21:50] Voice 7: So this is the closest thing you've got in your land use dialogue to permit this kind of use.

[0:21:55] Voice 7: and the planner, just in dialoguing with them right now,

[0:21:58] Voice 7: it was determined through an inquiry

[0:22:00] Voice 7: at the beginning stage of even purchasing the property,

[0:22:03] Voice 7: that the planners had determined

[0:22:05] Voice 7: that this was the best potential option

[0:22:08] Voice 7: for setting up the service.

[0:22:09] Voice 7: So that was the advice that they got from our offices.

[0:22:13] Voice 7: You know, this would really be the closest thing

[0:22:16] Voice 7: you could get to without it being explicitly mentioned

[0:22:19] Voice 7: anywhere in the zone.

[0:22:20] Voice 7: There's no mention of boarding even, or kennels.

[0:22:27] Voice 7: Operating a kennel or...

[0:22:28] Voice 2: There is somebody with a kennel.

[0:22:30] Voice 2: There's somebody with a kennel zoning specifically on Denham,

[0:22:33] Voice 2: and I think the only one.

[0:22:35] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:22:36] Voice 7: Some of them are not specifically kennels.

[0:22:38] Voice 7: It's an

[0:22:38] Voice 7: accessory to a residential unit.

[0:22:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's a different kennel.

[0:22:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah.

[0:22:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): There was a big issue with the...

[0:22:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, it wasn't really a kennel.

[0:22:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It was a breeding operation.

[0:22:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Back when I first was elected in 2011 on, I think, Dalil.

[0:22:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yes.

[0:22:51] Voice 1: Yeah.

[0:22:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): There was a whole...

[0:22:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, and it's still...

[0:22:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um anyway um it's not operating anymore but because it's but then it's homework it was part

[0:23:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of home occupation but

[0:23:01] Voice 7: there is a residential use associated with this commercial problem yes

[0:23:06] Voice 7: yep so and under the commercial zoning i think you are also permitted that home

[0:23:12] Voice 7: base is going

[0:23:14] Voice 1: to say education

[0:23:15] Voice 7: yeah as well as the commercial use right

[0:23:19] Voice 7: We permitted residential use.

[0:23:36] Voice 7: So it's probably

[0:23:37] Trustee Fast: permitted under both.

[0:23:39] Voice 7: Yeah, I would need a minute to interpret that.

[0:23:42] Voice 7: Again, it's set up with the checkboxes and set up a little bit differently than other

[0:23:47] Voice 7: land use laws.

[0:23:48] Voice 7: But I mean, we did give the owner a confirmation letter in 2020 prior to the purchase of the

[0:23:54] Voice 7: lots that the zoning permitted.

[0:23:57] Voice 7: Residential use, commercial uses, which would include a vegetarian office.

[0:24:01] Voice 7: this i will just do a quick look to interpret whether or not the kennel would be extended to

[0:24:10] Voice 7: a commercial zone as well under the home-based occupations often get that as well yeah it's

[0:24:25] Voice 7: permitted in any film subject to the ladies who's there so it kind of holds under that

[0:24:33] Trustee Fast: okay it's almost like everybody's from doing their due diligence are we ready to make a

[0:24:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): motion or

[0:24:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but sure trustee Critchley yeah

[0:24:51] Voice 2: I have my concerns about this not that I mean if we

[0:24:57] Voice 2: could have some way of limiting it but we don't we don't have any don't have any strings that we

[0:25:03] Voice 2: can pull no levers because I would want to see perhaps some limitation on the use in terms of

[0:25:10] Voice 2: the over overnighting or limited to two dogs or you know maybe numbers some sound perfect

[0:25:19] Voice 2: that sort of thing to minimize the possibility of conflict with the residential use which is

[0:25:26] Voice 2: literally very close by so and i'm not convinced right now that we are compelled to issue because

[0:25:39] Voice 2: The development permit?

[0:25:41] Voice 2: Right, because we are only compelled if that commercial, that particular use, is commercial use as defined within our bar law.

[0:25:54] Voice 2: Right now I'm uncertain about that, so I can vote in favor of this at the present time.

[0:26:04] Voice 2: But the two of you seem to be in favor

[0:26:07] Voice 2: of it, so my opinion is not going to be of any practical concern.

[0:26:12] Voice 2: yeah

[0:26:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if i may i'll just like i having barking dogs you know next door you is can be a kind of hell

[0:26:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and i you know i have a kind of barking dog my neighbor has a kind of barking dog and we we talk

[0:26:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): about it and we you know and i've stormed over there you know their dog is just like non-stop

[0:26:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and so i know i understand the concern but again like i think i mean they're putting in

[0:26:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): vegetative screaming that's a bit of a noise block and it just seems to me that they're

[0:26:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): they're good citizens, they are applying for permits,

[0:26:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): they've checked ahead of time,

[0:26:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): they got confirmation in writing in 2020

[0:26:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that this is a permitted use.

[0:26:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So if we're now not giving a permit

[0:26:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because we're saying we don't know if it's a permitted use,

[0:26:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think that's, I don't know if that's acting in good faith.

[0:27:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I also think, like, if there were major issues with noise,

[0:27:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it's, even if, like, let's say someone else buys it

[0:27:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and they're not as good citizens,

[0:27:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like it's could be business failure like we're a little community and people talk and people

[0:27:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): aren't worried about you know bad-mouthing people and craving posses and like so I think it comes

[0:27:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): down to you know even like the guest house like I know they've adjusted their hours and they've

[0:27:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you know they try and make it work and and um i'm not yeah i just don't i don't have a level

[0:27:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of concern that that warrants like holding back on this um and and the fact is it is a mixed zone

[0:27:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and and that's the reality of it so if it could be a vet clinic it could be um a metal worker who's

[0:28:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like banging on things or a woodworker who um i mean it doesn't have to be commercial it could

[0:28:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): be a hobby woodworker who's like going at it with power tools so um it's also there's that piece

[0:28:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): about you know you move to a rural area and you buy a place in a mixed zone and um that you have

[0:28:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to you can't maybe expect the same peace and quiet as someone who's bought on r2 um at the end of a

[0:28:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): up a dead end road.

[0:28:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So yeah, I would like to see us go forward with this

[0:28:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and I would put a motion forward.

[0:28:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I move that the Devon Island Local Trust Committee

[0:28:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): approve issuance of development permit DEDP 2022.1

[0:28:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for lot C, section 18, Devon Island and Armoire District,

[0:28:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): plan 10674 PID 005242193.

[0:28:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I'll second it.

[0:28:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Thank you.

[0:28:59] Trustee Fast: Oh, I thought you raised your hand there.

[0:29:00] Trustee Fast: Okay. Any more discussion? Go ahead, Trustee Christian.

[0:29:05] Voice 2: Yeah, so I would just like to say for the record that I don't know the particular people involved.

[0:29:10] Voice 2: I have not met them. I am assuming that they are fine and upstanding citizens and probably lovely people.

[0:29:16] Voice 2: And I feel quite madly about, to the extent that any of my comments might seem to reflect upon them.

[0:29:24] Voice 2: but even if they were known to me and I view them as being wonderful people, I would always be concerned about the next that would come along.

[0:29:36] Voice 2: Once we have regularized and made legal something, ideally we would have some strings on it.

[0:29:45] Voice 2: So my preference would be to get a legal opinion as to whether we were obliged to issue this development permit.

[0:29:53] Voice 2: And if we were not, then I would be in favor, probably, of

[0:30:00] Voice 2: resilient and of course subject to hearing what the leaders have to say and so forth

[0:30:05] Voice 2: taking that into consideration but within that process being having the ability to put

[0:30:10] Voice 2: some constraints to make sure that it was

[0:30:16] Trustee Fast: okay thank you and i'd just like to say too

[0:30:19] Trustee Fast: it would be it's kind of a shame that the applicants aren't here to answer probably

[0:30:27] Trustee Fast: simple answers to lots of these questions but we don't know and i imagine they're working

[0:30:32] Trustee Fast: so anyway I am and

[0:30:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah I just want to say one more thing because I really I want to appreciate

[0:30:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): uh trustee Critchley for reminding us that we we make decisions about land uses and not about

[0:30:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): people and I think that that is important um and um you know I I guess I don't think we're making

[0:30:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): something legal you know staff have analyzed the definition of business or

[0:31:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): commercial activity and ascertain that this fits within the services and we're

[0:31:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we're issuing a development permit based on to me the question is do we think

[0:31:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that the plans satisfy the requirements of the development permit and that's

[0:31:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm, yeah, I remain confident that I support this.

[0:31:30] Trustee Fast: Okay?

[0:31:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:31:32] Trustee Fast: Then if there's no more discussion, I'm going to call the question.

[0:31:36] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[0:31:39] Trustee Fast: Let the two hands go up.

[0:31:41] Trustee Fast: Those opposed?

[0:31:43] Trustee Fast: One hand goes up.

[0:31:44] Trustee Fast: Trustee Critchley is opposed, but the motion carries.

[0:31:47] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you very much, everybody.

[0:31:51] Trustee Fast: That's 9.1.

[0:31:53] Trustee Fast: And now we're on to 9.2, starting on page 47.

[0:31:57] Trustee Fast: and this is our

[0:31:58] Trustee Fast: feedback. Back to us for

[0:32:00] Trustee Fast: a final fourth and final

[0:32:02] Trustee Fast: reading. Yes, so just

[0:32:05] Trustee Fast: as a follow-up to

[0:32:07] Voice 7: that, I've

[0:32:10] Voice 7: taken your concerns

[0:32:12] Voice 7: down a little bit in the minutes, but the

[0:32:14] Voice 7: planner can definitely advise the

[0:32:16] Voice 7: applicant of this discussion. It will be quite a while

[0:32:18] Voice 7: before the minutes are public, so

[0:32:20] Voice 7: that is to inform part of their

[0:32:22] Voice 7: redevelopment, but they might contemplate

[0:32:26] Voice 7: higher

[0:32:26] Voice 7: higher insulation values for noise proofing and that.

[0:32:31] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you, that's great.

[0:32:34] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[0:32:35] Trustee Fast: Yeah, I was wondering if we, good, okay.

[0:32:40] Trustee Fast: All right, so here we are on page 47.

[0:32:45] Trustee Fast: Page 47, this is our bylaws.

[0:32:50] Trustee Fast: We've given the first, second, and third,

[0:32:52] Trustee Fast: well, third reading and they've been to executive committee

[0:32:57] Trustee Fast: and they've come back and do we need to call Heather or?

[0:33:02] Trustee Fast: or was this just a consideration of my own reading?

[0:33:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I'll make note.

[0:33:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, good.

[0:33:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I just have one question

[0:33:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and it's not really about the substance.

[0:33:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): When we gave these first, second, third reading,

[0:33:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we were aware that what we presented

[0:33:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): was not exactly consistent with the model by-law.

[0:33:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I'm just curious what the discussion

[0:33:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of executive committee was spirited, if this was considered as, you know, difficult to

[0:33:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): contemplate or if it was fine or, yeah, just curious.

[0:33:41] Trustee Fast: Sure, I presented it and I'd gone back into the by-law to check that all the amendments

[0:33:46] Trustee Fast: we'd made were in there as we said them, because I'm also a member of the executive

[0:33:51] Trustee Fast: committee, for anybody watching, and so people did ask what specifically were the changes

[0:33:58] Trustee Fast: and they were interested but more in a how are our model bylaws that the

[0:34:06] Trustee Fast: Honest Trust developed being used by local trust committees and is this

[0:34:10] Trustee Fast: something we could learn from for like how do we keep the discussion as I

[0:34:16] Trustee Fast: recall it was more about how do we monitor model bylaws and what happens to

[0:34:21] Trustee Fast: to find out how, like, what's best practice, what's working well, what are trustees changing the most, you know, those kinds of things.

[0:34:33] Trustee Fast: So that's what basically.

[0:34:37] Trustee Fast: Interesting.

[0:34:38] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[0:34:38] Trustee Fast: Thanks.

[0:34:39] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[0:34:40] Trustee Fast: That's great.

[0:34:41] Trustee Fast: So can I have a motion?

[0:34:44] Voice 2: Sure.

[0:34:45] Voice 2: I'll move that Demanau Local Trust Committee bylaw number 245 cited as

[0:34:49] Voice 2: Devin and I would vote to trust the community fees by-law 2022 to be adopted.

[0:34:54] Voice 2: I

[0:34:54] Trustee Fast: will second. Okay, great. So we've got

[0:34:56] Trustee Fast: a motion moved and seconded.

[0:34:58] Trustee Fast: And all those in favor? Thank you. That motion passes.

[0:35:03] Trustee Fast: This was the final, final final. Okay, thank you.

[0:35:07] Trustee Fast: Very good. And my back is making funny noises.

[0:35:13] Trustee Fast: So please don't assume that

[0:35:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): there's something weird going on with my body.

[0:35:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, I just would like to comment like really just for the record about this because I have a history with this, the bottle bylaw and all that.

[0:35:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I did vote in favor and partly because I appreciate the collaborative work and coming forward with something that we can all stand behind, even though our initial approaches might have been different.

[0:35:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): You know, I still think that some of these numbers are too high,

[0:35:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and I still am not comfortable with the degree to which we're asking individual applicants to pay for permitting.

[0:35:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I do think it should primarily be covered by the tax base,

[0:35:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because we work on behalf of the community and the island.

[0:36:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): We don't work on behalf of the applicant.

[0:36:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I think that what it does is it can work against accessibility to honest trust processes and against affordability by just making it more and more expensive to develop.

[0:36:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And that's what I just want that if you could just summarize what I said.

[0:36:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and um it you know i overall i'm in favor because i think we need to move on with it but um

[0:36:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if i'm here you know in the future i i certainly wouldn't be conscious about any further increases

[0:36:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but i'm glad that we made the uh changes we made and that's all okay

[0:36:52] Trustee Fast: thank you

[0:36:54] Trustee Fast: so um i'm just gonna hold it here i'm gonna take a quick photo for the record for my records

[0:37:02] Trustee Fast: of how we do this thank you hi tech yeah hi tech i'm remembering

[0:37:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we did this last time i'm going

[0:37:10] Trustee Fast: oh that's what it was okay so um we've just uh arranged to have um another plan of phoning in

[0:37:20] Trustee Fast: this is uh manager kauer manager heather kauer greetings heather hello can you hear me yes we

[0:37:29] Trustee Fast: can and we're just uh setting you up on a cell phone in front of the camera so last time this

[0:37:34] Trustee Fast: worked pretty well and uh i'm going

[0:37:37] Voice 1: to move us

[0:37:37] Trustee Fast: ahead then to the projects list this is page 54

[0:37:40] Trustee Fast: is the beginning of the projects list and uh oops 53. so we've got some recommendations here

[0:37:51] Trustee Fast: in front of us and uh um did you want to introduce this heather please go ahead

[0:37:55] Trustee Fast: You would like to see a business case completion, so our list is to be recommending to the next LTC that they consider a development of delegation bylaw that will be posed to the new LTC as well.

[0:39:49] And it would be helpful to have a delegation bylaw in place in order to implement that if they're interested in doing that.

[0:39:57] So, on page one, one is to adopt the priorities list and the projects list as recommended, and one is to endorse a business case, resolutions, and to...

[0:40:16] Thank

[0:40:27] Trustee Fast: you, Manager Power.

[0:40:29] Trustee Fast: And, great, I'm interested to see those two additions as well.

[0:40:35] Trustee Fast: you just had to when you don't have something in place for the model cell

[0:40:41] Trustee Fast: power then that's when they pull and tell you that they're coming so questions

[0:40:47] Trustee Fast: for the regional planning manager was anything you want to discuss I don't

[0:40:54] Trustee Fast: remember where how far did we get to with the was that development approval

[0:40:59] Trustee Fast: information bylaw was that this term okay

[0:41:18] Voice 7: As

[0:41:22] Voice 2: we had discussed at some point, that as a concept, and I thought we decided not to proceed further with it because we don't get that very many development permit things to delegate in any event.

[0:41:39] Voice 2: And I thought it was useful for the local trust committee to be involved in that, for it to continue to be a public process.

[0:41:49] Trustee Fast: That's the delegation. I think what I'm interested in is the development approval information bylaw, which I'm going to ask Heather to describe a little

[0:41:58] Trustee Fast: more because it seems to me that that's where you give your LTC the power to request information from the applicant.

[0:42:09] Voice 2: Well, we did one of those.

[0:42:11] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[0:42:11] Voice 2: I thought we did one.

[0:42:12] Voice 2: Like I

[0:42:13] Trustee Fast: think our first term together.

[0:42:14] Trustee Fast: I think

[0:42:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we're one of

[0:42:16] Trustee Fast: the first LTCs to complete that, I thought.

[0:42:18] Trustee Fast: Ah, but we're hearing from the regional planning manager that may not have been completed.

[0:42:24] Trustee Fast: So this would be good information to find out. And if that was in the previous term, I don't know.

[0:42:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, and my understanding is that it just doesn't only give us the clarity and the right to ask for the information,

[0:42:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but it also gives the applicant the clarity and transparency about what might be asked

[0:42:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for and then what we can't ask for.

[0:42:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So even though it looks like a big bureaucratic thing that usually I think applicants kind

[0:42:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of go, oh, it's actually, for both, it's kind of like a contract almost.

[0:42:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): You're like, it just provides clarity.

[0:42:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): But I'm wondering if you could just leave it because I don't think it's crucial just

[0:43:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to get a little more information.

[0:43:05] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[0:43:05] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[0:43:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well.

[0:43:11] Voice 2: I'm fine with that.

[0:43:12] Voice 2: about moving on both these recommendations.

[0:43:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[0:43:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I do have some comment and

[0:43:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): questions, so.

[0:43:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, let's

[0:43:20] Trustee Fast: put them on the floor.

[0:43:21] Trustee Fast: If you're comfortable putting them on the floor,

[0:43:23] Trustee Fast: then go ahead.

[0:43:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): First, oh.

[0:43:25] Voice 2: I was just gonna put it, or did you want to?

[0:43:28] Voice 2: I

[0:43:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): think I'd rather discuss

[0:43:30] Voice 2: it first, yeah.

[0:43:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, is this regarding the first recommendation

[0:43:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): or the second one?

[0:43:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Oh, just a minute.

[0:43:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): The first.

[0:43:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So I'm looking at the attachment one on page 58 and under phase two of the housing project

[0:43:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): there's this text about amend the LUB definition of occasional and I wondered why that's there

[0:44:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because it's not it seems to me it's more of a housekeeping one of those housekeeping

[0:44:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): keeping amendments to clarify something that should have been clear and not central to the

[0:44:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): housing review project and I feel like if it's the only text underneath phase two it looks like

[0:44:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): oh that's what we're doing that's what phase two is all about and I wonder if it needs to be here

[0:44:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): or if there's a way to contextualize it question go ahead Heather yeah

[0:44:37] Voice 6: I can to me

[0:45:27] Voice 2: would it help to just add the word and between phase two and the amend luv sure or

[0:45:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to include

[0:45:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): or something like that i still feel like it i quite honestly feel it should belong here like

[0:45:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like i'm thinking like what if neither of us are here next term and what if there's staff turnover

[0:45:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and someone's looking at this it's just um well

[0:45:56] Voice 2: i think we did discuss it though we thought that

[0:45:58] Voice 2: or was it just a reasonable, like, as Planned Parenthood said,

[0:46:03] Voice 2: just, you know, to tie

[0:46:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the tag along,

[0:46:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because

[0:46:06] Voice 2: it's been sitting there for some while.

[0:46:09] Voice 2: I

[0:46:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): mean, I think it would more belong in a project charter,

[0:46:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and then it could be contextualized.

[0:46:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Like, I don't know.

[0:46:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): But, I mean, I'm not going to get hung up on it.

[0:46:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's just more about setting something.

[0:46:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): We've all been there.

[0:46:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Like, we look at something that was created six months or a year ago,

[0:46:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and maybe it wasn't created by us.

[0:46:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): maybe if it is but we can't remember we're like well what does this mean um and i think there

[0:46:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): used to be a way that staff would track these what we call housekeeping amendments and just

[0:46:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): bring them forward when they could come forward without their needing to be tracked on top

[0:46:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): priorities lists oh

[0:46:47] Trustee Fast: yes but i think what the manager's suggesting is that this is the time

[0:46:52] Trustee Fast: to bring it forward and uh maybe the the wording on attachment one next time we see this could look

[0:46:59] Trustee Fast: a little different for example you know okay and i think we've given heather some feedback on that

[0:47:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay all right so um we can leave that and then um i have a couple more questions for the

[0:47:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): top priority here number three the comprehensive ocp lub review uh is it not advisable to have

[0:47:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): have something to provide some ramifications for that.

[0:47:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I mean, that's just such a big, vague topic, an exciting one.

[0:47:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): But in terms of the planning department

[0:47:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and the budgetary process of figuring out

[0:47:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if this can happen next year or next term,

[0:47:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and the budget and all of that, well,

[0:47:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it also is just a political decision.

[0:47:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): What parts of the OCP LUB review are we looking at?

[0:47:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Or we want to just start with, okay, LTC, community, here's your OCP, LEV, what parts do you want to reveal?

[0:48:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Like what, yeah, I think you understand the question.

[0:48:04] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Anna.

[0:48:05] Trustee Fast: I don't have to take that.

[0:49:05] So one of the things that has

[0:49:07] Voice 6: been contemplated is, you know.

[0:49:09] Voice 6: Okay,

[0:49:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): so I think I'm understanding that having it in the top priorities just generally is important to increase the likelihood that it could get budgeted and prioritized, and that it's actually what's in the project list is somewhat important because that's what likely would be the content of this comprehensive review. Is that right?

[0:50:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Right? Okay. So that's great.

[0:50:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I have questions and then I'm going to make some suggestions.

[0:50:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So looking at the project list now on page 59,

[0:50:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): there's two things in number two LUB amendments

[0:50:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that I believe are part of our housing review.

[0:50:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And one is floor area and one is travel trailers.

[0:50:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I believe that floor areas,

[0:50:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): as although it's not mentioned in the project charter,

[0:50:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I feel like it's implied in all the language

[0:50:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that has gone into that project

[0:50:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): around looking at ways to increase housing options

[0:50:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): while mitigating or minimizing environmental impact

[0:50:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of increasing the amount of housing on the island

[0:50:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and the main island distributive square footage approach,

[0:51:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): which has also been talked about as part of this,

[0:51:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): includes floor area limitations.

[0:51:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So I guess I always assumed that is implied

[0:51:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and in fact central to the housing review.

[0:51:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And we certainly saw in recent community consultation

[0:51:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for the farming regulations review

[0:51:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): view when people were commenting about accessory housing that there were a variety of opinions but

[0:51:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the whole topic of limiting floor area is a live discussion connected to that so and then travel

[0:51:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): trailers is certainly i think it's hang on i printed out the um the project charter i believe

[0:51:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it actually um it isn't there in scope but oh

[0:51:54] Voice 1: yeah it is it's in scope

[0:51:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): third bullet so i don't know

[0:51:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if these need to be in the projects list as well and I'm wondering what you think of that.

[0:52:03] Voice 6: Yeah I think

[0:52:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay um that's good that's gonna be doing lots of emotions soon okay okay and

[0:53:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): uh last question then um where is the groundwater work being done for Denman and contemplated for

[0:53:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for Denman capture, because I thought it was at one point

[0:53:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): on our projects list or top priorities list.

[0:53:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's unclear, and I remember at one point

[0:53:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): at regional planning committee being told that or hear that

[0:53:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we need to have it on our projects or top priorities list

[0:53:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in order for work to get done and money to be allocated.

[0:53:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And yet it's work being done by regional planning committee.

[0:53:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, and I just don't want to run into a situation where the ongoing work on groundwater just kind of gets, stops flowing, so to speak, because it's not captured somewhere.

[0:53:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I also think it's good to have it visible because I think it's really important.

[0:54:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think it actually is going to be important to have that information as much as we have for, for instance, the housing work

[0:54:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to have some of the results of the science that's being done. So

[0:54:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah, can you tell us where the, what's up for the groundwater worker, where it's, where is it captured in our

[0:54:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): monitoring charts?

[0:54:22] Voice 6: Yeah, I don't, I don't think it's made sure that it's captured.

[0:55:07] Voice 6: What we're proposing here is that projects do get, before they get put on the project, before they get put on the project.

[0:55:32] Trustee Fast: it's part of a region-wide freshwater strategy right but we have seen the detailed maps

[0:55:41] Trustee Fast: i was wondering if but it's not just for the downtown village neighborhood plan is it not

[0:55:47] Trustee Fast: that white oh

[0:55:48] Voice 2: no no and this is it i i never conceived of it as being an ltc project per se

[0:55:54] Voice 2: about being a freshwater specialist who is kind of power into himself was was doing this

[0:56:01] Voice 2: is it you know that's part of a bigger project it's part of

[0:56:04] Trustee Fast: the trust council strategic plan

[0:56:06] Trustee Fast: exactly yeah i think that might be where it's captured um okay

[0:56:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i might i probably

[0:56:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like i i i'm just wondering if i should just informally contact the freshwater specialist

[0:56:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if that's not really appropriate because i mean he answers to so many different

[0:56:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): bodies, all the

[0:56:30] Trustee Fast: LTCs, all the trustees.

[0:56:31] Trustee Fast: I think

[0:56:31] Trustee Fast: we should request regional planning to

[0:56:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): do it, because she's got

[0:56:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): other ones too. Yeah, just because I know

[0:56:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): my understanding is that some scientific work was done, we saw some

[0:56:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): detailed maps. I don't think any of us are clear of what the

[0:56:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): applicability of those maps are, where or how they'd be used,

[0:56:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and from what I remember, the last thing I heard about it in a regional planning committee,

[0:56:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): We do get excellent reporting from a freshwater specialist, but the science isn't complete, but that in the end we should have useful information about the aquifer and groundwater health on Denman and recharge areas that could allow us, if we're looking at zoning, to say this is an area where in no circumstances should there be any increase in use.

[0:57:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for instance secondary suites whereas this is an area where there's a really

[0:57:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): there's good groundwater and good recharge that kind of thing and we're

[0:57:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): just not there yet so it's I feel we spent a lot of money on it and it's

[0:57:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): kind of this mystery yeah just

[0:57:40] Trustee Fast: as a suggestion categories three on page 59

[0:57:45] Trustee Fast: and the recommended LTC projects list,

[0:57:50] Trustee Fast: if there was another title that was called

[0:57:57] Trustee Fast: freshwater reports and mapping,

[0:58:01] Trustee Fast: and then the activity would be to develop a strategy

[0:58:05] Trustee Fast: for how to incorporate them into the OCPF land use bylaw

[0:58:09] Trustee Fast: or something like that.

[0:58:10] Trustee Fast: I don't know.

[0:58:11] Trustee Fast: What do you think, Heather?

[0:58:14] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[0:58:17] Trustee Fast: Because I see shoreline protection.

[0:58:19] Trustee Fast: you know, those other titles, climate change, it's a huge topic, and beside climate change,

[0:58:25] Trustee Fast: consider climate change, and, you know, so

[0:58:28] Trustee Fast: I think, anyway, that would be my suggestion.

[0:58:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, I like that idea. I just wonder if we should take a step backward and invite

[0:58:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): freshwater specialist Shulbuck to comment on what the best deliverable would be, but we could

[0:58:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): go ahead and put it in there, and then if he wants to comment, he could. It's not what you said,

[0:58:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I like the language you used it sounded specific enough but yeah

[0:58:55] Trustee Fast: it didn't really

[0:58:56] Trustee Fast: identify it well the deliverable would be OCP and land use bylaw amendments

[0:59:02] Trustee Fast: yeah related to

[0:59:03] Trustee Fast: it right yeah so okay well I can I'll sketch up a resolution

[0:59:08] Trustee Fast: for that one while you work on the

[0:59:10] Voice 1: other one so

[0:59:10] Trustee Fast: let's Heather do you have any

[0:59:11] Trustee Fast: comment on that yeah I think that sounds reasonable

[0:59:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that category okay so I have

[0:59:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a few things i want to do but actually i do have one more question i think i said the last one was

[0:59:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the last one but no i'm looking at ocean loop geo exchange systems um which is actually includes

[0:59:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): wind towers this is about from 2011 and i'm wondering like i've never heard interest in

[0:59:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): or a need for um regular like for these regulations um and i don't want to make busy work

[0:59:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to have something that there's never been a need for?

[0:59:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm wondering, is this something that other islands have

[0:59:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that then the applications come forward?

[0:59:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Is there like a, is it that no one could build?

[1:00:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): this on Denman until we create the possibility or we don't want people to build them like why is this

[1:00:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): even because as a trustee like I have no idea there's any need for this so is there a need for

[1:00:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it can you fill us in about that yeah

[1:00:15] Voice 6: I wonder the same thing that

[1:00:57] Trustee Fast: a little bit yeah just that

[1:00:59] Trustee Fast: I noticed uh what seemed to be a phase of that about 10 years ago on Bowen just because I was

[1:01:05] Trustee Fast: watching the crown land applications at the time maybe 15 years ago um everybody was putting them

[1:01:12] Trustee Fast: in uh to draw heat from the ocean water sometimes to heat swimming pools or you know things that

[1:01:19] Trustee Fast: were occasionally in use and uh since then i've heard of some that have been sort of abandoned

[1:01:26] Trustee Fast: and uh so i don't know i think people haven't haven't kept using them and i think it may be

[1:01:36] Trustee Fast: be, it may be something, gosh, I wonder if we should be thinking desalination plants

[1:01:41] Trustee Fast: or something that's more topical and that we know are coming. But anyway, I'm going

[1:01:46] Trustee Fast: to leave that completely alone. I just wanted to give you that.

[1:01:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, and I have, so I now have like some ideas of what I want to do. So like, just as a heads

[1:01:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): up, I am going to suggest that we amend the housing project charter by adding the square

[1:02:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): square footage, or the what is it, floor area, the living, of course, floor area. And then I'm going to make a few suggestions around the projects list. So should I just start? Okay, so I'm going to start because one is dependent on the other. I'm going to move that the Denman LTC amend the Denman Island Housing Review Project Charter by adding to in scope

[1:02:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): The bullet point, regulations to limit the gross floor area of a dwelling or dwellings.

[1:02:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I'm just going to add, if I may, to mitigate potential impact, increased housing options.

[1:03:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I

[1:03:19] Voice 3: wanted to say dwelling or dwellings.

[1:03:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): That's what you said.

[1:03:23] Voice 3: Yeah, because there might be a main

[1:03:25] Voice 2: dwelling and a secondary dwelling.

[1:03:27] Voice 2: Is that the last part, because I don't understand.

[1:03:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, maybe it isn't. I just want to make it clear that this isn't sort of just some kind of...

[1:03:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Like, that it's tied to... Like, so just to put it in plain English, like, if we're going to say,

[1:03:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay, we're allowing secondary dwellings on certain properties of a certain size under certain conditions,

[1:03:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we are increasing impact on the island generally and on neighborhoods and properties generally

[1:03:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and I think and it's something actually that we had a delegate I believe it was Harleen said well

[1:04:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if we do things carefully and we're willing to make sacrifices we can house everyone who could

[1:04:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): need it so if we're saying like a lot of properties will be able to have say a thousand square foot

[1:04:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a secondary dwelling I'd like to say well then let's make sure that the overall footprint of

[1:04:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): dwellings generally has a limit on it like right now you can have a 10,000 or 20,000 square foot

[1:04:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): dwelling and you know you get someone said to me yesterday in conversation like how come

[1:04:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you know I can't build a little secondary dwelling but someone else can build a 20,000 square foot

[1:04:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): mansion with an outdoor swimming pool and they have to cut down all the trees to do that and

[1:04:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): heated and use all the make all those impacts so um you know and also just to yeah like i don't

[1:04:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): within one property just to prevent sprawl and just

[1:04:54] Voice 2: major overdevelopment but do those words

[1:04:56] Voice 2: help in how we carry out this objective or are they just surplus i

[1:05:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): think they're surplus so now

[1:05:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I've explained it and it's a big discussion and so if you could just leave it without this so

[1:05:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that I think was it dwelling or dwellings okay period yes and that's the end of my motion

[1:05:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'll second thank

[1:05:25] Trustee Fast: you got a motion moved and seconded then any more discussion all those in

[1:05:30] Trustee Fast: favor aye aye that's three hands go up that passes unanimously thank you very much what's the next

[1:05:35] Trustee Fast: Excellent. Okay,

[1:05:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'll do them one by one maybe.

[1:05:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I move that the recommended LTC project list,

[1:05:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): maybe in brackets attachment two,

[1:05:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): be amended by removing ocean loop geo-exchange systems.

[1:05:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So I'll do three here, comma, floor area, comma,

[1:06:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and travel trailers, comma.

[1:06:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): No, period.

[1:06:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it.

[1:06:16] Trustee Fast: The LUB amendments category? Yes, from the LUB amendments category. Because I was thinking about

[1:06:22] Trustee Fast: how to word mine, so thank you. Okay, do I have a seconder?

[1:06:32] Voice 2: Where is travel trailers ending up then?

[1:06:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Travel trailers, if you've got the project charter for the housing and the third bullet has in scope

[1:06:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): travel trailer.

[1:06:43] Voice 2: So you're not proposing to delete that?

[1:06:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): No, so just like the square or the

[1:06:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, we're going to be dealing with it next month when this gets started.

[1:06:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): All right, second move.

[1:06:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay,

[1:06:57] Trustee Fast: thank you.

[1:06:58] Trustee Fast: So we've got a motion moved and seconded to remove those three titles from the LUV amendment category

[1:07:07] Trustee Fast: and on the recommended LTC projects list.

[1:07:10] Trustee Fast: Okay, that's great.

[1:07:11] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[1:07:12] Trustee Fast: Okay, then I'm going to call a question.

[1:07:14] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[1:07:15] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[1:07:15] Trustee Fast: Aye, that

[1:07:16] Trustee Fast: passes unanimously.

[1:07:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Thank you very much.

[1:07:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And then I would like to add, so I will make a motion to add to the recommended LTC project list

[1:07:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): under Category 3, of course, CP and L.E. amendments,

[1:07:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): protection of coastal Douglas fir and associated ecosystems.

[1:07:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Where

[1:07:57] Trustee Fast: does that come from?

[1:07:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): from? Well, there's, I don't think there's a model bylaw. There's a, maybe there's a model bylaw.

[1:08:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): There's a toolkit. Yeah. Yeah. So then under activity, maybe we don't need a motion about

[1:08:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): activity and staff. We'll just add that to, because I don't have the name of the toolkit.

[1:08:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Heather, did you want to comment on this? Yeah.

[1:08:21] Trustee Fast: No, I think that's it. Okay.

[1:08:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah. And based on

[1:08:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that toolkit um you know i'm based like there's work like it would be interesting also to look

[1:08:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): at work going on on salt spring where they're looking at it very much through a wildfire

[1:08:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): prevention lens um but the toolkit was really big yes work yep and really great and i mean

[1:08:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): there's an overlap between all these things in category number three and it's the one i'm most

[1:08:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): excited about and would like to see the priority there is because they all

[1:08:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): they're all connected and in fact they all could come under the heading of

[1:09:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): climate change really well that could be something to discuss it

[1:09:08] Trustee Fast: could and I'm

[1:09:09] Trustee Fast: wondering if you will has this motion been seconded because I'm going to

[1:09:15] Trustee Fast: propose well no we can do it as a separate one just the one about the

[1:09:19] Trustee Fast: Freshwater Strategy is almost the same. It's another big regional, a big regional

[1:09:24] Trustee Fast: trust area-wide one. Yeah. But let's do this one first. Okay, this is the CDF and...

[1:09:30] Trustee Fast: Just

[1:09:31] Voice 2: before I second it. Yeah.

[1:09:34] Voice 2: I'm wondering, should we be putting in

[1:09:38] Voice 2: something about the Dairy Oak ecosystem as well, when we're dealing with forests and that sort of thing?

[1:09:45] Voice 2: So

[1:09:45] Trustee Fast: if we do have the regional conservation plan is in there in that category, OCP and LUB amendments, protected area network, climate change, regional conservation plan, so that's got very details about all

[1:09:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the sensitive systems.

[1:09:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'd be happy to have under title simply forest ecosystem protection and then activity could be implement the CDF toolkit and I would specific, yeah.

[1:10:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Gary, Gary slash Prairie Oak. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:10:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Do we have, like, do we actually, I know we have Gary Oaks, but do we really have, like, formally speaking classified Gary Oak ecosystems on the island?

[1:10:29] Voice 2: Yeah. Yes, apparently there are a few. Okay. Now, you know, it's... And there

[1:10:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): are on Harvey too. I know on

[1:10:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Harvey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

[1:10:37] Voice 2: know a lot of places.

[1:10:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It was

[1:10:37] Voice 2: an attempt to re-establish more because it is associated also with the Taylor's Checker Spot Butterfly, which we were trying to get back and actually succeeding in getting rid of that.

[1:10:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, I like that idea a lot, so thanks for bringing it up. Don't leave out the oaks.

[1:11:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, so the

[1:11:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): motion then that wasn't seconded, so let's just let that one go and instead add forest ecosystem protection.

[1:11:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm sorry, I'm going to move, I'm going to get rid of that, and we're going to start over, move that.

[1:11:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): The Denman Island LTC add to the recommended LTC project list be amended to, okay, whatever.

[1:11:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): under category three under category three forest ecosystem protection so

[1:11:42] Trustee Fast: what she means they're Heather she's not specifying the activities

[1:11:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Heather I think you know we're picking up on our intention here like is it

[1:11:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): legit to just assume staff will fill in the activity in a reasonable way or

[1:12:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): or should we be including activity in the motion?

[1:12:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Heather?

[1:12:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think that...

[1:12:19] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:12:20] Voice 6: Unless

[1:12:21] Trustee Fast: you want to send a message to the next LTC.

[1:12:24] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:12:27] Voice 2: Before seconding, I was going to be open

[1:12:30] Voice 2: to actually specifying postal records for Ann and Gary.

[1:12:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah.

[1:12:34] Voice 2: Because those are the two kind of touchstones.

[1:12:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah.

[1:12:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm just taking some notes, so I will suggest something.

[1:12:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Can

[1:12:39] Trustee Fast: you hear us, Heather?

[1:12:40] Trustee Fast: We've got a truck.

[1:12:41] Trustee Fast: Yes, I can hear you.

[1:12:42] Trustee Fast: Okay, never mind.

[1:12:43] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[1:12:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, so, and then, and that, and I'm sorry, Heather, because you just devised differently to this, but I'm thinking it's actually a good idea.

[1:12:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and that the activity to be that the activity will include implement the

[1:13:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): coastal Douglas fir and associated ecosystems protection toolkit consider

[1:13:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): measures to protect the Gary oak or to protect Gary oak.

[1:13:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): over do

[1:13:46] Trustee Fast: i have a second okay we've got a motion moved and seconded by trustee christian and uh

[1:13:53] Trustee Fast: any more discussion almost a favor very good three heads went up that passes unanimously thank you

[1:14:00] Trustee Fast: now i have one that might follow and that is uh that the recommended ltc projects list be amended

[1:14:10] Trustee Fast: intended to add fresh water strategy to category three

[1:14:22] Trustee Fast: and activities to include incorporate

[1:14:34] Trustee Fast: into land use planning.

[1:14:37] Trustee Fast: Does that make sense, Heather?

[1:14:41] Trustee Fast: Okay, is that clear?

[1:14:44] Trustee Fast: Okay, can I have a seconder?

[1:14:46] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Critchley.

[1:14:48] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion about that one?

[1:14:50] Trustee Fast: Okay, we discussed it earlier.

[1:14:51] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[1:14:53] Trustee Fast: Thank you for allowing me to contribute.

[1:15:08] Trustee Fast: I'm interested in the cell tower that Heather mentioned, and the model cell tower strategy.

[1:15:19] Trustee Fast: Because without, maybe Heather you can describe this a bit more, without some process that

[1:15:26] Trustee Fast: we've adopted what would happen if an application came in or if a company informed the island's

[1:15:39] Trustee Fast: trust that they were planning to erect one would there be any permitting or any public process

[1:15:45] Trustee Fast: unless we have some strategy thank you are you still there okay just heard some funny noises

[1:16:52] Trustee Fast: any discussion or is that something that the local trustees think that islanders would be

[1:17:00] Trustee Fast: interested in i've seen nodding and um i'm just informing heather she can't hear yeah i understand

[1:17:07] Trustee Fast: and uh so i'm um uh where we might put also when we just are

[1:17:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): administrative requests that come

[1:17:38] Trustee Fast: before us at the september yeah um yeah okay and

[1:17:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we should be looking at it yeah so

[1:17:45] Trustee Fast: let's um uh

[1:17:47] Trustee Fast: that the ltc request staff uh to bring the um uh model cell tower strategy to the next um

[1:18:00] Trustee Fast: ltc meeting yeah second okay good so we got a motion moved and seconded any discussion

[1:18:07] Trustee Fast: nope okay all in favor all three heads went up so that motion passes thanks for bringing that

[1:18:16] Trustee Fast: And then we still have that outstanding question about the development approval information

[1:18:22] Trustee Fast: by-law and can we assume that you'll look into this and its status and bring us a report

[1:18:30] Trustee Fast: to the next meeting or do we need to request that?

[1:18:35] Trustee Fast: If you would like to ask a question.

[1:18:37] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:18:38] Trustee Fast: Okay, that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to bring a status report on the development approval information draft by-law,

[1:18:56] Trustee Fast: information by-law, to the next LCC meeting.

[1:19:05] Trustee Fast: And I see Laura Meshaken has seconded that.

[1:19:07] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[1:19:09] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[1:19:11] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:19:11] Trustee Fast: Three hands went up.

[1:19:13] Trustee Fast: So thank you for bringing us those, Heather.

[1:19:15] Trustee Fast: and otherwise what let's go back to those big resolutions now that we've

[1:19:22] Trustee Fast: done all these amendments and additions and do we endorse these

[1:19:26] Trustee Fast: on page 54 at the top

[1:19:28] Trustee Fast: who would like to make a motion?

[1:19:30] Voice 2: I move that the demo of local trust projects list has amended for the consideration by the

[1:19:45] Voice 2: Do

[1:19:48] Trustee Fast: I have a seconder? Yes,

[1:19:50] Trustee Fast: yes so I've got a motion moved and seconded by the local

[1:19:53] Trustee Fast: trustees. Any more discussion? All those in favor? Thank you. Three hands went up.

[1:19:59] Trustee Fast: That motion passes. And the second one?

[1:20:03] Voice 2: There's an outlaw of the trust case today that joined the project.

[1:20:10] Voice 2: I do

[1:20:19] Voice 2: have some questions about that.

[1:20:20] Voice 2: So let's ask the

[1:20:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): question here, aside, for now.

[1:20:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, so, Dr. Carr, looking at the funding request for Stage 2 on page 61, which that's what we're endorsing, right?

[1:20:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And, like, I know that when it came down, like, I think our last meeting and the one before it came down to actually getting this started, you know, we heard from planning staff and I think that we at the table agreed that the budget was on the low side and that it would be good to have a bigger budget.

[1:20:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I think that it was a bit strategic.

[1:20:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): We thought, well, we have to get this through financial planning committee and also keep the budget low.

[1:21:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but i'm wondering from stage two i'm looking specifically at the communication and education

[1:21:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): information community information meetings public hearing and there's two thousand dollars i assume

[1:21:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that's for like printing and ads and um rental but not for any um like uh consultant support and

[1:21:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I think it would be a good idea to add some thousands of dollars to perhaps keep the initial consultant on or get some more.

[1:21:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Because I think sometimes as a project gets started, there's public input, but then it can get a little astray if as draft bylaws are coming forward, the public then doesn't feel that they're still being engaged and involved.

[1:21:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And the creation of really good communication material is, it takes a lot of time and expertise to do it really well.

[1:22:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I do think some kind of online slash social media component is essential these days.

[1:22:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I don't think our staff have time or training for that necessarily.

[1:22:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So I'm curious to hear your input if adding, say, $3,000 to $5,000 to allow the hiring

[1:22:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of a consultant for that makes sense.

[1:22:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): This would be good for the bottom row on page 61?

[1:22:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, the bottom row on page 61.

[1:22:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[1:22:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Try to

[1:22:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): add that up.

[1:22:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Heather?

[1:22:37] Voice 6: Yeah, I would like to do that, as this case be amended.

[1:23:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, good.

[1:23:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And like, and it was so hard to have a dollar amount, but like if it was to hire a consultant to help with this, $3,000, $5,000, $4,000, another $10,000, like any idea?

[1:23:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, Sonia's signaling $10,000, so I'm going to be bold and go with $10,000.

[1:23:41] Trustee Fast: Heather, for your time, and we'll talk to you later.

[1:23:48] Trustee Fast: I just want to flag with everybody that if people need a break, let me know, because we're getting close to 1 o'clock, and I have no idea where the ferries are, or anything like that, or where they may be running.

[1:24:05] Trustee Fast: I just said

[1:24:06] Voice 1: 1 o'clock.

[1:24:07] Voice 1: We're not

[1:24:07] Trustee Fast: seeing anybody needing a break.

[1:24:11] Trustee Fast: We'll continue.

[1:24:11] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:24:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So I am going to then move that the business case for the housing and it's still called short-term rentals review. It's not. I'll

[1:24:32] Voice 7: do that in a minute.

[1:24:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's not called that.

[1:24:34] Voice 7: Well, I know.

[1:24:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's incorrectly referenced.

[1:24:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Exactly. So I'm going to move the budget funding request short form business case. That's actually the name of that document. So it's budget funding request short form business case for the Denman OCP and LUB housing project be amended.

[1:25:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Ended. Changing the number in reference to this so it's not a lot of words. Changing the number

[1:25:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 2,000 on the page 61, 12,000.

[1:25:44] Trustee Fast: Seconded. Okay, so we've got a motion moved and seconded,

[1:25:47] Trustee Fast: and I think that's clear. Any more discussion? All in favor? One, two,

[1:25:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): three, and go out. Thank

[1:25:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay. And then just apropos to what I just noticed is on page 60 under name of request, it still has that wording and short term rentals review. And it's just like something like ghost in the machine that won't leave. Do we need like an exorcism? No. Do we need a motion to remove that? Or can I just ask you, Sunny, to get on it?

[1:26:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): She's going to correct that typo, okay, because it's a whole other can of worms, right?

[1:26:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's been like a year that it keeps kind of, it's so, I think maybe at one earlier point

[1:26:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we thought we could combine it, but I don't even think we did, because it's just a nightmare

[1:26:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to do that.

[1:26:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, okay, all clear.

[1:26:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): She's going to correct it as a typo.

[1:26:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Thank you.

[1:26:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So then I would move, can I go ahead and move the main motion?

[1:26:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I

[1:26:47] Trustee Fast: think we've got a motion, although David had already

[1:26:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): started to add as amended.

[1:26:53] Trustee Fast: As amended?

[1:26:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yes.

[1:26:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): As

[1:26:54] Trustee Fast: amended, thank you.

[1:26:55] Trustee Fast: And then I'm looking for a seconder.

[1:26:58] Trustee Fast: Thank you,

[1:26:58] Trustee Fast: trustee Bushekin.

[1:27:00] Trustee Fast: And any more discussion?

[1:27:02] Trustee Fast: All those in favour?

[1:27:04] Trustee Fast: One, two, three hands go up.

[1:27:06] Trustee Fast: That's great.

[1:27:07] Trustee Fast: That motion passes, having done that amendment.

[1:27:10] Trustee Fast: So that is the, that big topic and we could have got Heather on her way to her next appointment.

[1:27:19] Trustee Fast: That's good. Yeah. Very good. It's good to have a deadline.

[1:27:22] Trustee Fast: Okay. Yeah. So that was 10.1 and now we're moving on to 10.2 and this is the Denman Housing Regulations Review Project.

[1:27:32] Trustee Fast: project, verbal update. I think this must be Planner Zupanetz, who I can see is finding

[1:27:39] Trustee Fast: something on her phone. 10.2, Denman Housing Regulations Review Project, verbal update.

[1:27:44] Trustee Fast: Perfect timing. Okay.

[1:27:45] Trustee Fast: A little segue to

[1:27:48] Voice 7: your discussion just now. So we're tomorrow meeting with the consultant

[1:27:52] Voice 7: who is selected from our process, and it's Pamela Shaw Institute, which does work as

[1:28:13] Voice 7: well out in this geography there's three key people that will be on that team plus a number of other

[1:28:21] Voice 7: potential support resources to oversee the engagement and i have a

[1:28:29] Voice 7: draft recommended resolution for you to consider because part of the project charter

[1:28:36] Voice 7: was to ensure that your advisory planning commission members have an opportunity to work with

[1:28:41] Voice 7: myself and the consultants to develop the engagement, provide feedback on the draft report that you will be seeing in March,

[1:28:54] Voice 7: and that the APC isn't subjected to having to have the formal meetings that the APC needs to have in order to do that work,

[1:29:02] Voice 7: so that they would be working more informally with us.

[1:29:05] Voice 7: So I have a resolution to be considered in combination with this update, but I'll just finish off my update first.

[1:29:15] Voice 7: So tomorrow's meeting is to finalize the terms of the contract, get that finished by the end of July so we can start moving forward.

[1:29:23] Voice 7: And roll out the necessary draft engagement structure with the help of the LTC to support the LTC looking at the engagement plan at the end of September.

[1:29:35] Voice 7: so that it can be executed through the months of October, November, potentially early December,

[1:29:42] Voice 7: and then provide a final recommendation report back to the Local Trust Committee.

[1:29:48] Voice 7: So I'm suggesting that the Local Trust Committee request staff to advise the members of the Advisory Planning Commission

[1:29:56] Voice 7: that the Dentman Housing Review Project is convincing.

[1:30:00] Voice 7: and that the Local Trust Committee encourages the voluntary participation of ABC members in one-to

[1:30:06] Voice 7: -three working group meetings,

[1:30:08] Voice 7: approximately one-to-three working group meetings, to assist the consultant and planning staff in the development of an engagement plan

[1:30:16] Voice 7: and review of draft housing recommendations to the Local Trust Committee between August 2022 and March 2023.

[1:30:25] Voice 7: 23. So that would signify that the APC doesn't need to hold a formal public meeting to do all the notification of a minute taker and that would really assist in making sure that those who are able and available have the opportunity to participate in designing the engagement and providing feedback to them.

[1:30:52] Voice 7: That's great. So

[1:30:52] Trustee Fast: it's basically a working group of the APC that you're outvoting?

[1:30:55] Trustee Fast: closing okay thank you and you've got this morning no

[1:30:59] Voice 3: can you just email me yeah

[1:31:00] Voice 3: because it was a

[1:31:01] Voice 3: long one it was long it was fast yeah

[1:31:03] Trustee Fast: so if she sends it to you then um well you're retrieving

[1:31:09] Trustee Fast: it and putting it in maybe we can hear it again do you guys need to hear it again no okay you got it

[1:31:15] Voice 2: okay

[1:31:15] Trustee Fast: it's

[1:31:16] Voice 2: exactly what I was going to propose well aren't we smart

[1:31:20] Voice 2: that's

[1:31:22] Trustee Fast: good that's good

[1:31:24] Trustee Fast: Okay, so you're just going to move it.

[1:31:25] Trustee Fast: Okay, I'm going to second it.

[1:31:27] Trustee Fast: Okay, that's great.

[1:31:29] Trustee Fast: Then hearing the confidence, and I did catch it in my notes here,

[1:31:36] Trustee Fast: so it sounds perfect.

[1:31:40] Trustee Fast: And I'm just going to say, any more discussion?

[1:31:43] Trustee Fast: No, I'm just

[1:31:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): happy to see

[1:31:45] Trustee Fast: it all moving ahead.

[1:31:45] Trustee Fast: Yeah, we are too.

[1:31:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, I bet.

[1:31:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay,

[1:31:49] Trustee Fast: so all those in favor?

[1:31:51] Trustee Fast: One, two, three.

[1:31:52] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[1:31:53] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[1:31:54] Trustee Fast: drafting that and that's great news and super okay so now we'll move on to

[1:32:04] Trustee Fast: correspondence we don't have any today except whatever application specific

[1:32:11] Trustee Fast: that's on the webpage new business I'm just going to flag that at the September

[1:32:17] Trustee Fast: meeting I'm going to talk to staff about what Sonya and I were talking in the car

[1:32:24] Trustee Fast: I didn't have this on the agenda, but I just, maybe it's not appropriate because I didn't add it to the agenda.

[1:32:30] Trustee Fast: But we were just talking about this idea of the hybrid meetings and the asking for a report from staff about what are the cost savings in having hybrid and digital meetings.

[1:32:46] Trustee Fast: And the reason is because just the time, let alone the car rentals and the plane fare and all that kind of thing,

[1:32:56] Trustee Fast: for planning staff, and they could be doing other work, for example, for Heather to appear like this,

[1:33:02] Trustee Fast: we still, a Zoom meeting would be better.

[1:33:05] Trustee Fast: And if we want to go to a full hybrid meeting, the discussion at the March Trust Council around budget,

[1:33:14] Trustee Fast: it there was no real information there about the cost saving side it was just all about the

[1:33:18] Trustee Fast: expenses and um so i wondered because we just chatted about it whether we want to uh uh and

[1:33:26] Trustee Fast: having not added it at the beginning of the meeting like my my fault but um would a motion

[1:33:33] Trustee Fast: such as uh that the denman animal trust committee uh requests staff um to uh bring a brief

[1:33:43] Trustee Fast: report on cost savings of hybrid and digital meetings to the next LCC meeting?

[1:33:52] Trustee Fast: Would that be something that the LCC would support?

[1:33:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm curious, first of all, I thought that Council had already decided

[1:34:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that we are where there's internet capacity moving towards hybrid meetings

[1:34:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): meetings, and that it's more the problem with Denman is that we don't have the internet

[1:34:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): capacity, but that it's already underway, where it's possible having hybrid meetings,

[1:34:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and also that it's a trust council issue and not a Denman-Huff and LTC issue.

[1:34:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I support the idea.

[1:34:31] Trustee Fast: I think it's

[1:34:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): really important to look at, you know, you spend money here and you save

[1:34:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): money down the road.

[1:34:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's

[1:34:38] Trustee Fast: just before, okay, and I'm happy to answer the question.

[1:34:42] Trustee Fast: Partly, the discussion, the way the budget came down was that, I think there's only like $7,000 in the equipment and computer budget,

[1:34:52] Trustee Fast: so only

[1:34:53] Trustee Fast: half of trustees would get a new computer or iPad or whatever, and the rest would be using their own.

[1:35:00] Trustee Fast: And then there would be no more money for new equipment or software.

[1:35:07] Trustee Fast: or, for example, some arrangement to apply a rent towards the Wi-Fi bill,

[1:35:18] Trustee Fast: or something to help to build the capacity in this meeting room for online meetings,

[1:35:26] Trustee Fast: a cost-sharing kind of thing.

[1:35:28] Trustee Fast: And that's just one example.

[1:35:31] Trustee Fast: And the other reason I'm asking about dead net is because this is one, it's just one LTC example that might be easier to compile for staff and that Sonia has been part of it all and before all the staff change and the memory is gone, we'd be able to add up some numbers and actually have an estimate. Go ahead.

[1:35:57] Voice 2: So this is why I brought up the issue at the last meeting was, you know, about the cost or the possibility of enhancing Wi-Fi here.

[1:36:06] Voice 2: Because to me, it would make sense if the Islands Trust has to pay out $500 or $1,000 or something, you know, in hardware or upgrade some facility.

[1:36:21] Voice 2: It would probably make economic sense.

[1:36:24] Voice 2: I mean, subject to actually crunching numbers, but I mean, just dirty thinking, it sounds

[1:36:30] Voice 2: like you're going to be saving money by a relatively small, modest investment to save

[1:36:37] Voice 2: these travel costs, not only travel costs, but the inefficiency of taking up staff time

[1:36:44] Voice 2: in the travel process.

[1:36:46] Trustee Fast: That's what I was thinking, is it's easy to put the cost, like the $500, you know, with

[1:36:53] Trustee Fast: the expense but we have no information really about uh estimates of what else so that's why

[1:37:00] Trustee Fast: i'm putting it out here just as a

[1:37:01] Trustee Fast: sort of case study yeah yeah

[1:37:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i really like that idea um i do

[1:37:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): think like hybrid meetings not just for those reasons but also i think what we've learned in

[1:37:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): kobe is that there are members of the community who find online meetings far more accessible

[1:37:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): option and others who find it inaccessible and want to come in person

[1:37:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and we want our meetings to be as accessible as possible like that is key

[1:37:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): so I think it's the future or I hope it is. I'm wondering if we could expand this

[1:37:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): then to include something like get a report identifying options for enhancing

[1:37:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Wi-Fi capacity for meetings on-demand.

[1:37:45] Trustee Fast: Well, I was thinking that would be something we could bring up in September

[1:37:47] Trustee Fast: once we see that,

[1:37:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): once we have some...

[1:37:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah.

[1:37:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, I'd be happy to go ahead.

[1:37:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Because I did talk to Mark VanBaekel on the phone,

[1:37:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and he said, oh, there's nothing we can do.

[1:37:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): But maybe that's because he was thinking,

[1:38:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): well, the budget we have, there's nothing we can do.

[1:38:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I mean, I've had constituents ask me,

[1:38:06] Voice 1: like,

[1:38:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): can't you guys put up a...

[1:38:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah.

[1:38:09] Voice 1: I don't know.

[1:38:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Sure.

[1:38:11] Voice 1: A satellite, or I don't know.

[1:38:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It would be good to know, because if we're...

[1:38:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you know there's if we get excited about the savings we want to champion it but we don't

[1:38:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): know what technically is possible if anything it's kind of them it just slows down the whole process

[1:38:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): so yeah we

[1:38:26] Voice 2: already had a motion and we've actually had a high response to it is that right

[1:38:30] Voice 2: i believe you're right yes i think

[1:38:32] Voice 2: back in minutes here um that we've just adopted oh

[1:38:36] Trustee Fast: i think it came

[1:38:37] Trustee Fast: back to me to report back at ac it was something verbal basically that we didn't have the budget

[1:38:42] Trustee Fast: We didn't have any budget. There was so little budget.

[1:38:46] Trustee Fast: And there is so little budget. Yeah.

[1:38:49] Trustee Fast: So that's why I've thought of acquiring more information to inform this.

[1:38:54] Trustee Fast: And here now I'm doing a speed test. Look at this.

[1:38:59] Trustee Fast: It's showing good internet.

[1:39:03] Trustee Fast: This time it's from TELUS. This morning it's from another, you know.

[1:39:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I mean, I've had people, because I've had people buttonhole me about this this year,

[1:39:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and they're like, well, we held Zoom meetings, and it was fine.

[1:39:14] Trustee Fast: I mean,

[1:39:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and I know that our requirements, we're a government,

[1:39:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we can't quite get away with having, like, really choppy Zoom meetings.

[1:39:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well, we ideally don't want to, but, yeah, I would,

[1:39:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I guess I still would like to know, like, once we look at those savings,

[1:39:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to me that's, that is meaningless unless I know, like, just roughly,

[1:39:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like, I don't want to ask staff to do a lot of work,

[1:39:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but hopefully someone like Mark Bambaco can just kind of,

[1:39:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): You can say, like, there are, like, three technical ways you can do this, and, you know, it'll be between $5,000 and $10,000.

[1:39:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Right.

[1:39:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So it's more information.

[1:39:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, information, yeah, yeah.

[1:39:49] Trustee Fast: Okay, one second, or

[1:39:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it's just not possible.

[1:39:52] Trustee Fast: One second.

[1:39:54] Trustee Fast: Siri, take a screenshot.

[1:39:58] Trustee Fast: Hey, Siri, take a screenshot.

[1:40:04] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:40:05] Trustee Fast: Sorry for the interruption.

[1:40:06] Trustee Fast: I just wanted to capture that.

[1:40:07] Trustee Fast: It's more data.

[1:40:08] Trustee Fast: Good.

[1:40:09] Trustee Fast: And thank you.

[1:40:10] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Christian.

[1:40:11] Trustee Fast: So

[1:40:12] Voice 2: just to refresh memory, at our last trust meeting, I made this motion that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to research the possibility of the Island's Trust upgrading the Wi-Fi at the Denman Activity Centre.

[1:40:25] Trustee Fast: Oh yeah. Right.

[1:40:27] Trustee Fast: Okay, so it probably hasn't gone there. So this would be another one to use. Yep. To add. Okay, so where are we at?

[1:40:40] Voice 3: We have for sure moved that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to bring

[1:40:45] Voice 3: a brief report on cost savings on hybrid and digital meetings to the next Local Trust Committee

[1:40:50] Voice 3: meeting.

[1:40:51] Voice 3: And then we also talked about possibly adding identifying

[1:40:54] Voice 3: options for enhancing Wi-Fi on

[1:40:57] Voice 3: Denman Island.

[1:40:58] Voice 3: And I'm not sure if that was to be added to it or not.

[1:41:01] Voice 3: At this facility?

[1:41:03] Voice 3: Or on Denman Island?

[1:41:05] Voice 3: On Denman Island.

[1:41:05] Voice 3: it is did you want that added to this let's have a separate one if you could

[1:41:12] Trustee Fast: just sever it okay so the first one do I have a seconder thank you interesting

[1:41:19] Trustee Fast: for shaking open and any more discussion on that one no okay

[1:41:23] Trustee Fast: thank you and then

[1:41:24] Trustee Fast: so I'll call a question all those in favor yes thank you and then the second

[1:41:30] Trustee Fast: one that you've got there if

[1:41:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i made the second one it's just the same thing that trustee just

[1:41:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): read out now so i'm wondering what we can do to bring that forward a little more like should we

[1:41:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): make

[1:41:44] Voice 7: a moment it didn't i just checked your follow-up action list and it actually didn't

[1:41:48] Voice 7: make it on there for some reason so i'll take

[1:41:51] Voice 7: responsibility for that because that was the

[1:41:53] Voice 7: main meeting correct yes yeah and it's not so

[1:41:56] Voice 1: the reason why i had no action

[1:41:57] Voice 7: is because it

[1:41:58] Voice 7: that physically didn't end up in the call of action

[1:42:00] Voice 7: was December 1st, so I'll only insert it.

[1:42:03] Voice 7: We've had some issues with the database

[1:42:06] Voice 7: that we get to put into it,

[1:42:07] Voice 7: but I never checked to see why that

[1:42:11] Trustee Fast: was the answer.

[1:42:11] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:42:12] Trustee Fast: Thank you, good.

[1:42:13] Trustee Fast: So the two of them will go together,

[1:42:15] Trustee Fast: and then maybe we'll hear in September.

[1:42:17] Trustee Fast: Wonderful, excellent.

[1:42:17] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank

[1:42:18] Trustee Fast: you for indulging me in adding that.

[1:42:21] Trustee Fast: Late, I think I guess we couldn't put it under anywhere.

[1:42:25] Trustee Fast: Okay, so thank you.

[1:42:26] Trustee Fast: And then, so let's move on, that was 12, so we'll move on into 13, and I'm going to start skipping through these unless people have questions about any of these titles, items.

[1:42:36] Trustee Fast: 13.1, any questions?

[1:42:39] Trustee Fast: 13.2, am I going too fast?

[1:42:42] Trustee Fast: No.

[1:42:42] Voice 2: Just what is the topic?

[1:42:43] Voice 2: Oh,

[1:42:44] Trustee Fast: sorry, 13.1 starts on page 64, Trust Conservancy Report.

[1:42:49] Trustee Fast: Oh, yeah.

[1:42:49] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:42:51] Trustee Fast: 13.2, starting on page 67, is the Applications Report.

[1:42:55] Trustee Fast: Yeah, so

[1:42:55] Trustee Fast: I do have a question about

[1:42:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that. Just briefly, Devon Green's now awaiting their water license, is that what's, and then it'll come back for adoption?

[1:43:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So ministerial approval. Okay. So we just

[1:43:10] Voice 7: sent the package off to the ministry last week, and so we wait.

[1:43:16] Voice 7: And in that time period, the applicant can still work with the process to finalize that license for the groundwater.

[1:43:26] Voice 7: So hopefully the two pieces come back at that point in time, and you can then consider final reading of that.

[1:43:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, good.

[1:43:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And the other housing, the Pepper Lane, we're waiting to hear from the applicant to kind of give us the go-ahead?

[1:43:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Correct.

[1:43:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, fascinating.

[1:43:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay, thank you.

[1:43:46] Trustee Fast: And did you have any, Dave Cushley?

[1:43:50] Trustee Fast: No,

[1:43:50] Voice 2: it was just the, I was going to ask about the DCLTA, but that's good.

[1:43:55] Trustee Fast: Okay, good, okay.

[1:43:57] Trustee Fast: Alright, 13.3 is the Trustee Local Expense Report, starting on page 75.

[1:44:04] Trustee Fast: It is page 75.

[1:44:06] Trustee Fast: And

[1:44:07] Voice 7: I have noted that even your budget shows your housing project as having a short-term rental vehicle.

[1:44:15] Voice 7: so somewhere it's in the

[1:44:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): system i'm not sure how to kill that and i have like i have pointed out

[1:44:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): at regional planning committee at financial planning committee and i've been like annoyingly

[1:44:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): pushy about it like it's because it's almost inflammatory yeah at this point so thank you

[1:44:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for noticing that and i i'm gonna um hope that you can exercise the ghost from the machine

[1:44:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I have

[1:44:49] Voice 2: no issues with it, yeah.

[1:44:50] Voice 2: All right, thank you.

[1:44:51] Trustee Fast: Apart from that ghostly typo.

[1:44:55] Trustee Fast: And we dealt with standing resolutions already,

[1:44:58] Trustee Fast: but 13.4, anything else?

[1:45:00] Trustee Fast: Starting on page 76?

[1:45:02] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:45:03] Trustee Fast: And local trust committee webpage is just down here

[1:45:07] Trustee Fast: to remind us if there's any issues or problems or...

[1:45:11] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:45:13] Trustee Fast: I'll probably take that off the next agenda.

[1:45:17] Trustee Fast: the the

[1:45:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): webpage well i don't like having it there it's like i didn't do it this time but sometimes

[1:45:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): when i yeah i'm planning for the

[1:45:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): meeting it makes me go look at it and think is there something

[1:45:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): missing perfect okay good

[1:45:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): all right i mean we can skip it if there's no comment yeah

[1:45:31] Trustee Fast: all right

[1:45:31] Trustee Fast: top priorities and projects we just dealt with so we're on down to information items i just wanted

[1:45:38] Trustee Fast: to flag i've put in some different stuff because i'm trying to make sure that the information is

[1:45:44] Trustee Fast: out to the community about the climate projections uh stewardship awards

[1:45:52] Trustee Fast: the conservancy current campaigns just because so people can see what um what's available if

[1:46:01] Trustee Fast: you want to contribute to your island and to nature on the trust islands um and then 15.4

[1:46:09] Trustee Fast: is resources for candidates in the 2020 local election so the island's trust has set up a web

[1:46:14] Trustee Fast: page for candidates who are thinking of perhaps running and with materials that

[1:46:21] Trustee Fast: they might need or want to look at and I gather there's going to be ongoing

[1:46:28] Trustee Fast: things being added to this page so that's just for info and 16.1 is the

[1:46:38] Trustee Fast: next regular meeting of the uh oh sorry oh trust me i was only checking because there's been uh

[1:46:50] Trustee Fast: an announcement i'm watching for um but i haven't got it yet never mind um that you might be

[1:46:57] Trustee Fast: interested in but okay so next regular meeting september 27th at 10 30 here right yeah i don't

[1:47:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): have a question about that like it's quite a ways from now and given that the farming regulation

[1:47:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): review project got delayed um because i was sick um that meeting got delayed and i mean it was my

[1:47:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): hope to at least move to be more into the meat of that project um before the end of term and um

[1:47:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i guess i'm just wondering if we want to i guess we have a special meeting set up

[1:47:36] Voice 1: Yeah, I'm

[1:47:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): just thinking out loud.

[1:47:38] Voice 1: That's okay. Let's just leave

[1:47:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it. There might, I mean,

[1:47:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it just, it's a long time between meetings, but we are having that meeting for the farming regulations.

[1:47:50] Trustee Fast: That's right,

[1:47:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that's next week, right? On the

[1:47:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 27th.

[1:47:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, and if at that point we can talk about the timeline and it seems a good idea to try and set up one extra meeting, maybe just for that again, we will, especially when we come up with that.

[1:48:08] Trustee Fast: Okay, okay, that's great. Okay, thank you. And if I find out anything about this oceans plan, I'll send it to you.

[1:48:14] Trustee Fast: But otherwise, thank you everybody, and I think that we're about to adjourn the meeting.

[1:48:19] Trustee Fast: unless anybody's got anything else

[1:48:21] Voice 3: are we going to close oh thank

[1:48:24] Trustee Fast: you yes we've got

[1:48:25] Voice 3: a closed part

[1:48:26] Voice 3: so i am going

[1:48:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to i just flex because if you believe in 10 minutes you will make it even 15

[1:48:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): minutes but you don't want to do that i'm going to move that the meeting be closed to the public

[1:48:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in accordance with the community charter part four division three section 91d for the purpose

[1:48:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of adoption of in-camera

[1:48:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): meeting minutes dated november 2nd 2021 and let the reporters staff

[1:48:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to attend the meeting thank you do we

[1:48:48] Trustee Fast: have a second thank you and uh so now we're going to go

[1:48:52] Trustee Fast: in camera and call the question call the question all those in favor yeah thank you thank you for

[1:48:58] Trustee Fast: reminding me and uh so now i'm going to stop the recording goodbye everybody out there

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Denman Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
July 19, 2022 
Denman Activity Centre 
1111 Northwest Rd, Denman Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair  
 David Critchley, Local Trustee  
 Laura Busheikin, Local Trustee  
   
Staff Present: Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner  
 Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager  
 Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager (via telephone)  
 Vicky Bockman, Recorder  
   
Others Present: None  
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:32 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations, introduced Trustees and staff, and 
announced that this meeting is being recorded for posting on the Islands Trust website. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved. 
3. RISE AND REPORT - none 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Busheikin reported that she attended the Baynes Sound Lambert Channel 
Ecosystem forum. 
Trustee Critchley provided a summary of meetings attended: 
 Baynes Sound Lambert Channel Ecosystem forum; 
 Trust Council-several actions were summarized; details can be found on the Islands 
Trust website; 
 Trust Programs Committee-considering Trust Policy Statement amendments. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Fast noted her attendance at the following: 
 Climate Leaders Institute program; 

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 Bowen Island Municipal Council; 
 Trust Council; 
 Executive Committee. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report - none 
5. DELEGATIONS - none 
6. TOWN HALL - none 
7. MINUTES 
7.1 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated May 30, 2022 - for adoption 
By general consent the Special Meeting minutes dated May 30, 2022 were adopted. 
7.2 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated May 31, 2022 - for adoption 
The following amendment was considered: 
 Page 5, fourth line, change “believes” to “said”. 
 
By general consent the minutes dated May 31, 2022 were adopted as amended. 
7.3 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record dated May 30, 2022 - for receipt 
By general consent the Public Hearing Record dated May 30, 2022 was received. 
7.4 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report - none 
7.5 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes dated June 14, 2022 - for receipt 
Local Trust Committee (LTC) members noted a correction to be made: 
 that “Hornby Island” be replaced with “Denman Island” in the heading and in item 
3.1. 
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List dated July 11, 2022 
Planner Zupanec reported that a presentation regarding K'ómoks First Nation Treaty 
negotiations is in the process of being scheduled. 
8.2 Enforcement Policy on Unlawful Dwellings - Staff Report 
Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager Dingman presented the staff report that 
responds to a request from the LTC to provide input on a suggested amendment to 
Standing Resolution No. 7 DE-2019-056/DE-021-015 proposed at the March LTC 
meeting. He provided an update on the current number of open files for unlawful 
dwellings on Denman Island and confirmed that Bylaw staff are not issuing eviction 
notices and further, it is not clear if Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement has the 
legislative authority to do so.  
Trustees discussed possible amendments to standing resolutions regarding unlawful 
dwellings and the following points were noted: 

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 The Trust Council Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Policy references education 
and mediation as a means to achieve voluntary compliance, and this might be 
pointed out as an approach to address misleading information circulating in the 
community regarding bylaw enforcement; 
 Clarity regarding the legal authority of Bylaw staff to issue eviction orders for 
residential tenancies was considered to be necessary in order to understand options 
which may or may not be available to Bylaw Compliance staff; 
 Including an end or review date in a standing resolution is optional; the resolution 
may be rescinded at any time; 
 A report on current Denman Island Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement files was 
suggested; 
 Consideration was given to rescinding the standing resolution that addresses bylaw 
enforcement of unlawful dwellings during the public health emergency declared for 
COVID-19 as this is no longer applicable. 
 
DE-2022-070 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a report on the 
legal authority of staff to issue eviction orders for residential tenancies. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-071 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee, having reviewed Standing Resolution 
DE-2021-015, resolves that the Standing Resolution not be amended. 
 
During discussion, a Trustee supported removal of the statement that it will be reviewed in one year’s 
time for clarity. 
FAILED 
Trustee Busheikin Opposed 
Trustee Critchley Opposed 
DE-2022-072 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Standing Resolution No. 7 DE-2019-056/DE-2021-015 regarding bylaw enforcement 
against unlawful dwellings be amended by removing the sentence “This Standing 
Resolution will be reviewed in one year’s time”. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-073 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request the Bylaw Compliance and 
Enforcement Manager to report to the Denman Island Local Trust Committee about 
current or open files early in the next term. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-074 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee rescind Standing Resolution No. 9  
DE-IC-2021-002. 
CARRIED 
 

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DE-2022-075 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Standing Resolution No. 7 DE-2019-056/DE-021-015 be amended by adding at the 
end:  
“And that site inspections for the purpose of gathering information and communication 
with property owners will continue; 
 
And that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee may change this policy at any time 
and may give direction to resume enforcement activities”. 
CARRIED 
By general consent the meeting was recessed at 11:24 am and reconvened at 11:32 am. 
9. APPLICATIONS, REFERRALS AND  BYLAWS 
9.1 DE-DP-2022.1 (MacDonald) - Staff Report 
Planner Zupanec presented the staff report that asks the LTC to consider a Development 
Permit (DP) application for the construction of a single family dwelling and a veterinary 
clinic located within the Development Permit Area No. 5 – Village (DPA 5). 
Discussion on the application followed: 
 A Trustee expressed concern that noise associated with current or future use of the 
commercial property might create the possibility of conflict with close residential 
neighbouring properties, and inquired if conditions can be set for soundproofing or 
other measures to mitigate potential concerns; 
 Staff advised that this type of development permit can only set conditions relating 
to form and character while zoning applications can set conditions on types of uses 
that can be more specific; 
 The zoning bylaw does not explicitly identify veterinary clinics as a permitted use, 
however staff have interpreted this use to be permitted in the zone within one of 
the general categories of permitted uses; the current owner was sent a confirmation 
letter in 2020 from the Islands Trust prior to the purchase of the property stating 
that the zoning permitted residential use and commercial uses that would include 
veterinary use. 
 
DE-2022-076 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Permit 
DE-DP-2022.1 for LOT C, SECTION 18, DENMAN ISLAND, NANAIMO DISTRICT, PLAN 
10674 (PID 005-242-193). 
 
Trustee Critchley stated that there is no disrespect intended toward the applicant, however 
expressed concern with possible future issues that could arise without conditions being placed 
on the commercial use. He would like to obtain a legal opinion to confirm that this Development 
Permit application is for a permitted use and if the Local Trust Committee is not obliged to issue 
it, then would be in favour of consideration of a rezoning application in order to set conditions 
to ensure a peaceful neighbourhood. 
 
Trustee Busheikin commented that staff have analyzed the definition of commercial activity and 
ascertained that this fits within the definition; the question of whether the plans satisfy the 

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requirements of the Development Permit Area is what is before the Local Trust Committee for 
consideration, and the Guidelines for DPA 5 appear to be satisfied. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Critchley Opposed 
 
Planner Zupanec commented that planning staff can discuss the concerns expressed by the 
Trustee regarding noise with the applicant. 
9.2 Denman Island Proposed Fees Bylaw No. 245 - for consideration of Adoption - Report 
DE-2022-077 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 245, cited as “Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2022”, be adopted. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Busheikin stated that she voted in favour of this resolution in support of the 
collaborative work; however still thinks that some of these fees are too high and she is 
not comfortable with the degree that individual applicants are being asked to pay for 
permitting that should be covered by the tax base. She noted that it works against 
accessibility and affordability and she would be cautious about any further increases. 
10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
10.1 Projects List - Staff Report 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer introduced the staff report that asks the LTC to 
consider any changes to the Top Priorities and Projects List prior to the end of the 
current term, confirm endorsement of the 2023/2024 budget case for the Housing 
Review project, and presents a reorganization by category of the Projects List. 
Trustees’ discussion included the following: 
 The status of the Model Cell Tower Strategy was uncertain and Trustees considered 
that review of the strategy would be helpful to inform a decision regarding its 
placement on the Work Program; 
 The status of the Development Approval Information Bylaw was uncertain; its 
completion is required to finalize the Development Procedure Bylaw No. 71; 
 The topic of travel trailers may be removed from the Projects List as it is included in 
the Housing Review Top Priority; and the topic of floor area limitation could be 
added to the Housing Review In Scope category; 
 There has been no interest in the Ocean Loop Geo-Exchange Systems potential 
project; 
 Additional support for community engagement in Phase 2 of the OCP and LUB 
Housing Review was considered and an increase to the Budget Funding Request 
Short-Form Business Case was suggested; 
 Staff will correct the name of the Denman OCP and LUB Housing Review to remove 
“and Short Term Rentals” in the Budget Funding Request Short-Form Business Case 
and elsewhere that it may appear. 
 

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DE-2022-078 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee amend the Denman Island Housing 
Review Project Charter by adding to “In Scope” the bullet point “Regulations to limit the 
gross floor area of a dwelling or dwellings”. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-079 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Recommended Local Trust Committee Project List (Attachment 2) be amended 
by removing Ocean Loop Geo Exchange Systems, Floor Area and Travel Trailers from the 
Land Use Bylaw Amendments Category. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-080 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee add to the Recommended LTC Project 
List under Category 3 Official Community Plan & Land Use Bylaw Amendments “Forest 
Eco System Protection” and that the Activity include “Implement the Coastal Douglas Fir 
and Associated Eco Systems Protection Tool Kit” and “Consider measures to protect 
Garry Oak Ecosystems”. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-081 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Recommended Local Trust Committee Project List be amended to add 
“Freshwater Strategy” to Category 3, and that the Activity include “Incorporate into land 
use planning”. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-082 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to bring the Model Cell 
Tower Strategy to the next Denman Island Local Trust Committee meeting. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-083 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to bring a status report on 
the Development Approval Information Bylaw to the next Denman Island Local Trust 
Committee meeting. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-084 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee endorse the “Top Priorities List” and 
“Projects List” as amended on July 19, 2022 for further consideration by the incoming 
Local Trust Committee. 
CARRIED 

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DE-2022-085 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Budget Funding Request Short-Form Business Case for the Denman Official 
Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Housing Project be amended by changing the 
number $2,000 for development of communication and educational info/Community 
Information Meeting(s) Public Hearing to $12,000. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-086 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee endorse the Business Case dated July 6, 
2021 for the Denman Housing Review project for fiscal year 2023/24 as amended, and 
request that staff forward it to the Director of Administrative Services. 
CARRIED 
10.2 Denman Housing Regulations Review Project - verbal update 
Planner Zupanec reported that selection of the consultant to oversee the engagement is 
near completion. She provided an estimated time line for the process and suggested 
that the Advisory Planning Commission work with the planner and consultant in an 
informal manner starting in August, 2022 to develop an engagement plan for LTC 
consideration in the fall. Public engagement will take place in the fall/winter with a final 
report of recommendations provided to the LTC in March, 2023.  
DE-2022-087 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to advise the members of 
the Advisory Planning Commission that the Denman Housing Review Project is 
commencing and that the Local Trust Committee encourages the voluntary participation 
of Advisory Planning Commission members in 1-3 working group meetings to assist the 
consultant and staff in the development of an engagement plan and review of draft 
housing recommendations to the Local Trust Committee between August 2022-March 
2023. 
CARRIED 
11. CORRESPONDENCE - none 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
By general consent item 12.1 Hybrid and Digital Meetings was added to the agenda. 
12.1 Hybrid and Digital Meetings  
Trustees discussed the benefits that might be achieved by holding LTC meetings in a 
fully hybrid manner. They noted that poor internet connectivity in the meeting location 
currently limits the ability to hold such meetings and proposed that investigation of the 
potential cost savings might inform a decision in this matter.  
A resolution requesting staff to research options for enhancing Wi-Fi at the Denman 
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DE-2022-088 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to bring a brief report on 
cost savings on hybrid and digital meetings to the next Local Trust committee meeting. 
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated May, 2022 
Received 
13.2 Applications Report dated July 11, 2022 
Planner Zupanec reported that the Denman Green project has been forwarded for 
Ministerial approval and that Denman Housing Association is working with the province 
to finalize the license for ground water in the meantime.  
There was no new information on the Pepper Lane project; staff continue to await the 
applicant’s direction to advance to next steps. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated May, 2022 
Received 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received and discussed at agenda item 8.2. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
There were no additions or changes requested. 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated July 11, 2022 
Received 
14.2 Projects List Report dated July 11, 2022 
Received and discussed at agenda item 10.1. 
15. INFORMATION ITEMS 
15.1 The Climate Projections Report for Islands Trust Area 
https://islandstrust.bc.ca/document/climate-projections-for-islands-trust-area-report-
2020/ 
Received 
15.2 2022 Community Stewardship Awards 
Received 

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15.3 Conservancy Current Campaigns 
https://islandstrust.bc.ca/conservancy/current-campaigns/ 
Received 
15.4 Resources for Candidates in 2022 Local Election 
https://islandstrust.bc.ca/about-us/governance/2022-local-election/#1655569833235-
b0159421-d58a 
Received 
16. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
16.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:30 am at 
Denman Activity Centre, 1111 Northwest Road, Denman Island, BC 
LTC members confirmed the next regular meeting date, time and location. 
17. CLOSED MEETING 
17.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
DE-2022-089 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1) (d) for the purpose of adoption of In-Camera Meeting minutes 
dated November 2, 2021 and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
The meeting closed at 1:19 pm. 
17.2 Recall to Order 
By general consent the meeting was recalled to order at 1:20 pm. 
18. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:20 pm. 
 
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Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Vicky Bockman, Recorder