South Pender Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 25, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 10: um so uh welcome to the july july 25th 2022 um regular meeting of the main island local

[0:00:14] Voice 10: trust committee as always it's a pleasure to be here on main island i'm glad we meet

[0:00:19] Voice 10: prom and i always like to start by acknowledging that we're well not like to it's it's it's

[0:00:27] Voice 10: important that we acknowledge that we're meeting on the traditional territory of the Coast Salish

[0:00:32] Voice 10: peoples who've lived here for millennia. I'm always reminded of how interconnected those

[0:00:37] Voice 10: peoples were in the various First Nations when I travel across the First Nations, I'm sorry,

[0:00:42] Voice 10: across the coast, the Salish Sea to come here and also when we see the various referrals for areas

[0:00:48] Voice 10: and we get an understanding of how many Indigenous First Nations have connections in some fashion

[0:00:57] Voice 10: or other to this area uh to maine and to other areas around here and we're grateful to be able

[0:01:03] Voice 10: to meet here uh it's a beautiful hot day um i thank you for those that don't know and i recognize

[0:01:10] Voice 10: most of the faces here but there's a few that i don't uh my name is dan rogers and i'm the

[0:01:15] Voice 10: chair of the uh main island local trust committee uh we are um broadcasting this

[0:01:23] Voice 10: this meeting live it's called live streaming and i always have to qualify by saying live is we we

[0:01:31] Voice 10: can't play it here because it's actually delayed by about 25 seconds by the time other people see

[0:01:36] Voice 10: it it's also being recorded um and will be posted to the website uh when we're um when we're uh when

[0:01:45] Voice 10: we're finished so probably in a couple of days it will appear if you go to the part on the on

[0:01:50] Voice 10: the website that has this meeting on it eventually it's usually a couple of days the the meeting will

[0:01:57] Voice 10: be uh the recording of the meeting will be posted there so you can watch at your leisure and scroll

[0:02:03] Voice 10: through back and forth and watch the parts that you want i i'm a member of the executive of the

[0:02:09] Voice 10: islands trust and our structure is such that the various vice chairs are assigned to um to be the

[0:02:18] Voice 10: third member of the local trust committees on the various islands the 12 different local trust

[0:02:24] Voice 10: committees around the area and I have the privilege of being assigned to Maine, Galeano, and Gabriola.

[0:02:30] Voice 10: I come from Alcantara Sound. I live on most of the year on Keats Island like times in the Squamish

[0:02:40] Voice 10: language. A pleasure to be here. It's my pleasure to be here. You will see before you of course your

[0:02:45] Voice 10: are two local trustees trustee janine dodds i'm sure no one needs no introduction and trustee

[0:02:51] Voice 10: david maude who also needs no introduction um the uh other people you will see today

[0:02:58] Voice 10: our recorder pat todd uh whom i expect many of you know and uh to my to the far right to me and

[0:03:06] Voice 10: people are watching on the camera to the far right as well um the uh is the island planner for main

[0:03:14] Voice 10: Island who is Nerissa Chadwick and you'll be hearing from time to time from Nerissa

[0:03:21] Voice 10: as we work our way through our business agenda today this is our

[0:03:29] Voice 10: business meeting and it's a place of work for all the people that are before you it's also a place

[0:03:35] Voice 10: that as a place for the community members of the community to come and join us to speak to

[0:03:41] Voice 10: speak to us from time to time about the various issues that concern them but it's also a place

[0:03:48] Voice 10: as i said where we require everybody to be a safe place for everybody who's here so we will

[0:03:54] Voice 10: be asking you to speak appropriately and and understand this is our workspace and where

[0:04:00] Voice 10: everyone is entitled to a safe work environment as well as a safe area for everybody to

[0:04:07] Voice 10: to gather and hear other people's points of view so um with that um i think we can start the

[0:04:16] Voice 10: meeting we have an agenda before us uh and i'm turning going to turn to the two trustees and ask

[0:04:23] Voice 10: if there's anything was there anything

[0:04:25] Voice 10: about that you sent us something about the family here bring

[0:04:28] Voice 7: that in in my trust all

[0:04:30] Voice 10: right okay so you'll talk about that and

[0:04:32] Voice 7: i should have sent you two

[0:04:32] Voice 7: needs to go

[0:04:33] Voice 10: do it it's fine it doesn't matter i just wondered if

[0:04:35] Voice 7: there was something trustee

[0:04:36] Voice 10: maude is there anything you wish to add so then we'll take the um agenda uh approved as presented

[0:04:42] Voice 10: um unless and you have nothing else um and that's great so the first item on the agenda is our town

[0:04:50] Voice 10: hall um or our community input session as we call it this is your opportunity to speak to your local

[0:04:56] Voice 10: trustees um and about any issue that's either on our agenda or that you think is of importance for

[0:05:04] Voice 10: us uh work things we're working on uh or within our purview i do ask people to keep it to issues

[0:05:10] Voice 10: that are within our jurisdiction and items that we can actually do something about um and this is

[0:05:16] Voice 10: where i ask if you wish to speak to the local trust committee um uh is your opportunity to do

[0:05:22] Voice 10: so uh is that you have three basic requirements for that first is you talk to us so the common

[0:05:28] Voice 10: community communication should come to the local trust committees if we need a a staff person to

[0:05:36] Voice 10: respond and occasionally that happens we'll do that we'll arrange that we'll ask that the staff

[0:05:40] Voice 10: person to arrive um and uh but it's not an opportunity for you to speak to each other

[0:05:45] Voice 10: that there's lots of other forums on the island to do that um this is your opportunity to speak to us

[0:05:52] Voice 10: So please do that. Secondly, please speak to issues and not personalities.

[0:05:58] Voice 10: I'm finding I have found over the last couple of years in particular, there's I'm not saying it's on main so much,

[0:06:05] Voice 10: but there's a bit of a tendency for people to characterize other people's actions and in ways that are personal and sort of characterize the person and the person.

[0:06:17] Voice 10: and what i'd rather you do is speak to what i don't know what i ask you to do is speak to the

[0:06:23] Voice 10: issue and address whatever issue you want to talk and of course lastly i ask you to

[0:06:29] Voice 10: speak appropriately as i've said occasionally if you're talking to us speak in a way and use

[0:06:37] Voice 10: language that would make your grandmother proud as opposed to um not proud so and uh so and and

[0:06:47] Voice 10: frankly my experience on main island has been almost universally positive and people abide by

[0:06:52] Voice 10: those and it's not been an issue so having said all of that i'll stop talking and i'll ask uh

[0:06:59] Voice 10: who wishes to address uh the local trust committee and i just note just one last thing i note that we

[0:07:05] Voice 10: do have one application which is the main island uh housing society application and it's on our

[0:07:10] Voice 10: agenda today so the applicants as we always do with applicants they get an opportunity to speak

[0:07:15] Voice 10: speak to us at the time their application appears on the agenda so we'll have that opportunity at

[0:07:21] Voice 10: that time and so they need to unless they have other issues they wish to address talk about that

[0:07:25] Voice 10: but if somebody else but if you wish to address that issue or anything else on our agenda or

[0:07:30] Voice 10: anything else please put your hand up go ahead nice to see you

[0:07:35] Voice 12: see you chair rogers it's just

[0:07:39] Voice 12: a question when you get to the main island housing society discussion there's that one element in the

[0:07:45] Voice 12: staff report where they're talking about the potential of using the section 219

[0:07:50] Voice 12: covenant and in particular the wetland remediation zone and the forest protection zones

[0:07:55] Voice 12: as a community amenity and i'm still not clear what those zones actually are about and i know

[0:08:05] Voice 12: early on about a year ago there was some idea that the remediation work would happen after the houses

[0:08:11] Voice 12: were built and i want to know if that's still the case or when the remediation of the wetlands

[0:08:17] Voice 12: happens and at what point would you consider that as a as a fulfilled 219 covenant on that

[0:08:24] Voice 12: on that plan but that's kind of the main issue and i'll leave that that okay

[0:08:30] Voice 10: thanks mr mackie

[0:08:31] Voice 10: i mean of course we haven't decided whether that would be considered to begin that's part of our

[0:08:36] Voice 10: discussion but i hear your question and um i could ask the planner do you want to talk about that now

[0:08:41] Voice 10: or address it when we get to the issue

[0:08:42] Voice 5: let's talk about it when we get to that okay yeah but let's

[0:08:45] Voice 10: make a note that we flag and we discussed that issue about the um about the wetlands restoration

[0:08:50] Voice 10: as an event uh or as anything what the timing of that would look like okay uh thank you anybody

[0:08:57] Voice 10: else wish to speak yes sir go ahead uh beautiful uh sorry i'm chair of vplg i'm sorry chair of

[0:09:05] Voice 10: Oh, thank you. Sorry, I

[0:09:07] Voice 10: don't know all the main

[0:09:08] Voice 10: acronyms.

[0:09:11] Voice 3: I'm not speaking on behalf of the VKG.

[0:09:14] Voice 3: My question really is, with the flexible housing policy,

[0:09:16] Voice 3: do we discuss that now or under the risk of failure?

[0:09:19] Voice 10: Well, there is a public hearing. Sorry, I forgot to mention.

[0:09:22] Voice 10: My bad. We have a public hearing coming up after town hall right now.

[0:09:28] Voice 10: So if you wish to address the issue of the public hearing,

[0:09:30] Voice 10: we will, and that's the formal opportunity.

[0:09:33] Voice 10: That's your opportunity.

[0:09:34] Voice 10: Sorry, I completely gapped on that.

[0:09:37] Voice 10: Anybody else wants to speak about something except the public hearing?

[0:09:41] Voice 10: Which is coming.

[0:09:42] Voice 10: You'll have a second opportunity.

[0:09:43] Voice 10: Nobody?

[0:09:44] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:09:44] Voice 10: Quiet group today.

[0:09:46] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:09:47] Voice 10: Well,

[0:09:47] Voice 1: thank you very much.

[0:09:48] Voice 10: There is, of course, as always on the main island agenda, at least in my term here, a

[0:09:54] Voice 10: second opportunity for Town Hall at the end of the meeting.

[0:09:57] Voice 10: So let's close Town Hall.

[0:09:59] Voice 10: all. And then I'm going to move right to the public hearing, sir. So there is a public hearing

[0:10:06] Voice 10: today. This is a formal process. That is the we had a community information meeting, I believe

[0:10:14] Voice 10: last meeting, where we went through again, once again, the various issues related to the bylaws

[0:10:21] Voice 10: 184 and 189 and the flexible housing process. But this is our opportunity to listen to members of

[0:10:28] Voice 10: the community about their view on bylaws 184 and 189 so the process will be we have a public hearing

[0:10:35] Voice 10: i'm going to have to go through some formalities in a second uh and then we will um after the

[0:10:41] Voice 10: public hearing is over we come back to it later in our our agenda to discuss what we want to do

[0:10:46] Voice 10: after hearing so let me go through this as i said i apologize but it is a bit uh formal but we need

[0:10:53] Voice 10: to have this recorded uh the pub i'm going to open the public hearing public hearing for the proposed

[0:10:58] Voice 10: bylaws 184 and 189 is now open i wish to welcome everyone in attendance and acknowledge we're

[0:11:04] Voice 10: meeting in the territory of the coast salish first nations i don't need to introduce everybody because

[0:11:09] Voice 10: i've already done that this public hearing is being convened pursuant to section 465 of the

[0:11:15] Voice 10: local government act in order to consider the following proposed bylaws proposed bylaw number

[0:11:20] Voice 10: number 184, cited as the Maine Island Land Use By-law,

[0:11:24] Voice 10: number 146, 2008.

[0:11:26] Voice 10: Amendment number 2, 2021, proposed by-law,

[0:11:30] Voice 10: number 189, cited as Maine Island Official Community Plan

[0:11:34] Voice 10: by-law, number 144, 2007.

[0:11:36] Voice 10: Amendment number 1, 2022.

[0:11:39] Voice 10: All person who believes their interest in property

[0:11:41] Voice 10: is affected by the proposed by-laws

[0:11:43] Voice 10: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[0:11:46] Voice 10: or to present written submissions

[0:11:47] Voice 10: respecting matters contained in the proposed by-laws.

[0:11:50] Voice 10: those wishing to speak should commence their presentation by clearly stating their name and

[0:11:54] Voice 10: address members of the local trust committee may if they wish ask questions of you following your

[0:12:03] Voice 10: presentation however our main function of the local trust committee members is to listen to

[0:12:10] Voice 10: the views of the of the community of the community it is not the function of committee members to

[0:12:15] Voice 10: debate the merits of the proposed bylaws with individual citizens everyone will be given a

[0:12:20] Voice 10: reasonable opportunity to be heard and none should feel discouraged from presenting his or her views

[0:12:28] Voice 10: in considering the proposed bylaws the local trust committee has received documents

[0:12:33] Voice 10: which may influence its decision those documents are available uh for review during this hearing

[0:12:39] Voice 10: on our website uh and as indicated in the public hearing notice and do we have a binder and there

[0:12:45] Voice 8: is

[0:12:45] Voice 10: a public hearing binder there if anybody wishes to have while we're in the public hearing review

[0:12:51] Voice 10: any of the documents that are there uh it's mostly staff reports minutes some some community

[0:12:58] Voice 10: correspondence we received a couple of referrals we received back and a copy of the bylaws so

[0:13:02] Voice 10: there it's over there in a hard form any person

[0:13:06] Voice 10: who wishes to present a written submission to

[0:13:09] Voice 10: the local trust committee may do so and all written submissions must be received by the

[0:13:14] Voice 10: local trust committee before the close of the hearing um please provide those to us in person

[0:13:20] Voice 10: or provide them to i'm not sure that jamie's with us anymore so um i just don't know if she's

[0:13:27] Voice 10: monitoring this so i'm going to suggest you send them to my email which is if anybody's online

[0:13:31] Voice 10: watching this which is d r o g e r s d rogers at islandstrust.bc.ca and if i get an email before

[0:13:41] Voice 10: Before we close the hearing, I'll share it with my fellow trustee, D. Rogers, at islandstrust.bc.ca, or anybody in the room can hand them in.

[0:13:49] Voice 10: Your only opportunity, well, your only opportunity from here forward to comment on the proposed bylaws is during this hearing.

[0:13:57] Voice 10: As members of the Local Trust Committee may not receive further submissions after the close of the hearing.

[0:14:02] Voice 10: after this public hearing has concluded the local trust committee may without further notice

[0:14:06] Voice 10: make whatever decision that deems proper with respect to the bylaws that are subject to the

[0:14:11] Voice 10: public hearing uh island planner nourished chadrick will now summarize the public hearing notice the

[0:14:18] Voice 10: key points of the bylaw and the referral agency responses over to you planner chad uh

[0:14:25] Voice 5: thank you

[0:14:27] Voice 5: chair rogers so a copy of the of the notice um moving into consecutive editions of the driftwood

[0:14:35] Voice 5: july 13th and july 20th all notification requirements under the local government act

[0:14:41] Voice 5: have been completed there is a copy of the complete uh public hearing binder as term

[0:14:47] Voice 5: registered indicated on our website as well as a hard copy there's actually two i've got one

[0:14:51] Voice 5: table. The purpose of bylaws 184 and 189 adopted will amend the official community plan. That's

[0:15:01] Voice 5: 189. The official community plan will be amended to enable the introduction of what has been termed

[0:15:10] Voice 5: by the Local Trust Committee as flexible housing. Flexible housing zoning allows for the development

[0:15:18] Voice 5: of dwelling units additional to what is currently permitted in existing zoning,

[0:15:24] Voice 5: the combined maximum floor area for all to dwell in. Flexible housing is proposed to be introduced

[0:15:33] Voice 5: in a pilot area that is identified in the land use bylaw amendment, bylaw number 184.

[0:15:41] Voice 5: for. A number of the bio also increases the size of secondary

[0:15:47] Voice 5: suites and cottages to 100 square feet in all zones where

[0:15:50] Voice 5: they're permitted, because there has been a difference. A number

[0:15:55] Voice 5: of community information meetings were held over the

[0:15:58] Voice 5: course of the last year. Together information on the

[0:16:03] Voice 5: bylaw. The bylaws were referred to the Ministry of Municipal

[0:16:07] Voice 5: Affairs, Capital Regional District, BC Assessment Authority, Islands Trust, Bylaw Enforcement,

[0:16:15] Voice 5: Galliano, Saturna, Salt Spring, North Pender, and South Pender local trust committees for

[0:16:21] Voice 5: comment. We did receive a comment back from the local trust committees identifying that

[0:16:29] Voice 5: their incomes were not impacted. The Cavalry District did provide a response and indicated

[0:16:39] Voice 5: general support for the by-law and interest in it being expanded, the area being expanded.

[0:16:49] Voice 5: The by-law is also referred to all of the nations that have interest in the area.

[0:16:56] Voice 5: We received a response from the LIAXN and they were streaking to their interest in early

[0:17:09] Voice 5: consultation around, it was sort of a general comment around interest in more earlier consultation

[0:17:19] Voice 5: and specifically the need for consideration of first nations housing.

[0:17:26] Voice 5: So that was the extent of those overall responses.

[0:17:31] Voice 5: There were no public submissions received during the submission window for the public hearing.

[0:17:40] Voice 10: Thank you very much. So submissions can be made again at any time during and until the close of the hearing.

[0:17:47] Voice 10: if any submissions are received during the meeting we will pause prior to closure to ensure

[0:17:52] Voice 10: that the ltc has time to review those you can use my email and i invent members of the public who

[0:17:58] Voice 10: wish to speak to line up please state your name line up you

[0:18:01] Voice 4: state

[0:18:03] Voice 10: your name prior to making

[0:18:04] Voice 10: comments after your presentation to the ltc that steve may ask you questions but they're here to

[0:18:09] Voice 10: listen and will not debate the issues with you i'll call three times for speakers uh so that

[0:18:15] Voice 10: would be the time when i look and say who who would like to speak uh to the local trust committee

[0:18:22] Voice 10: during this uh public hearing i would ask that you if you are going to speak you try and limit

[0:18:27] Voice 10: your time to five minutes uh so sir if you had an opportunity uh i'll give you an opportunity

[0:18:33] Voice 10: to go first sir oh okay great and if you

[0:18:35] Voice 10: could state your name and your address for the record

[0:18:37] Voice 10: yeah

[0:18:37] Voice 3: okay uh so david gold the oal uh and the address is 181 spinnaker

[0:18:44] Voice 3: this is to me more a question and answer type style that i was interested in so i don't have

[0:18:49] Voice 3: a formal presentation in that sense and uh if i can proceed in my life um it had to do with

[0:18:55] Voice 3: alternatives uh and uh what the issues were and so to historically say uh i i i guess dpid sent in

[0:19:03] Voice 3: one uh uh comments on time back about a concern which would happen locally because of the impact

[0:19:10] Voice 3: on the aquifer to draw from um and also on sewage at the school uh and i think a number of us have

[0:19:17] Voice 3: answered this survey and i don't know whether other people have uh independently made submissions

[0:19:23] Voice 3: um i would say the document that's in front of us right now has addressed almost all of those

[0:19:27] Voice 3: uh as it stands to yeah as a whole um but there's concerns i think you know with very specific

[0:19:33] Voice 3: things. And what I wanted to do, I guess, in the question and answer format was,

[0:19:39] Voice 3: did you see other alternatives to this? For example, like rezoning Miners Bay to a higher

[0:19:44] Voice 3: density, like taking the existing area, which is sort of a militant commercial and housing,

[0:19:49] Voice 3: and changing that rather than looking at the, what I would say from the pilot project is

[0:19:54] Voice 3: relatively undeveloped land along Felix Jack Road, you know, finding the lots,

[0:20:09] Voice 10: unfortunately that would have been a good question for us to have during the community information

[0:20:13] Voice 10: meetings when we

[0:20:14] Voice 10: were putting our proposal on the table and asking people to get their

[0:20:17] Voice 10: asked questions asked answered we're in a public hearing now we'll retake your point of view

[0:20:22] Voice 10: i mean the short answer to that question is is well

[0:20:28] Voice 7: we and the reality is we were looking at

[0:20:30] Voice 7: where water availability was based on the groundwater studies that we've had done

[0:20:35] Voice 7: and we have basically we didn't do miters bay downtown because it already has been zoned as

[0:20:40] Voice 7: a commercial area with residential density in it we've done that a few years ago so the areas we're

[0:20:46] Voice 7: now sort of continuing on up perennial road and we've captured uh felix jacaro too as you know

[0:20:52] Voice 7: these are all within the school the health center you know it's an ideal area to increase density

[0:20:57] Voice 7: but

[0:20:58] Voice 1: a lot of

[0:20:58] Voice 7: this was based on water availability and way back we consulted with all the improvement

[0:21:02] Voice 7: districts who certainly did not want to be included in this project but we did consult

[0:21:09] Voice 7: with them and so this is based on water available okay

[0:21:13] Voice 10: thank you um can i just make one comment

[0:21:18] Voice 10: i guess so i guess we're sorry i guess i just wanted

[0:21:23] Voice 5: to know that actually we'll have an

[0:21:24] Voice 5: opportunity to talk a little bit more about exactly what you're talking about later on

[0:21:31] Voice 10: okay um sir is there anything else you wish to address to the public hearing

[0:21:38] Voice 10: uh anybody else wish to address the public hearing uh related to the two bylaws 184 and 185.

[0:21:49] Voice 10: okay uh and i know i have not received anything i'm going to uh just a reminder anybody who came

[0:21:57] Voice 10: in late please submit any comments here prior to closing at my email d rogers islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:22:05] Voice 10: I'm going to ask a second time if anybody wishes to speak to the Local Trust Committee

[0:22:11] Voice 10: in this public hearing.

[0:22:12] Voice 10: I'm not seeing anyone, and then I have to ask a third time for any more speakers.

[0:22:23] Voice 10: It's now the final opportunity for anyone to hand in a written submission to the Local

[0:22:26] Voice 10: Trust Committee.

[0:22:27] Voice 10: Once the hearing is closed, no additional submissions will be accepted.

[0:22:34] Voice 10: I'm not seeing anything.

[0:22:35] Voice 10: thing so i'm going to advise that we are now in closing the public hearing please be advised that

[0:22:44] Voice 10: we're now in the post public hearing stage of the legislative review the proposed bylaws 184 and 189

[0:22:50] Voice 10: the local trust committee can now no longer receive submissions pertaining to the proposed

[0:22:55] Voice 10: bylaws however you can always submit any outstanding questions and comments directly

[0:23:02] Voice 10: to the Planner, Nerissa Chadwick.

[0:23:07] Voice 10: Is that me?

[0:23:09] Voice 10: I'm sorry.

[0:23:10] Voice 8: That's my

[0:23:11] Voice 8: second book.

[0:23:12] Voice 8: But they stopped.

[0:23:13] Voice 10: Anyway, the LCC may give further readings to the by-law, defeat the by-law,

[0:23:18] Voice 10: make minor amendments that do not affect the use without further notice of it.

[0:23:23] Voice 10: Well, that's the end.

[0:23:24] Voice 10: We're going to close the public hearing, and I'll go back to the agenda.

[0:23:27] Voice 10: agenda. So now we are on item six of the point one of the agenda. The we have then at pages

[0:23:36] Voice 10: three through 12. The local trust committee minutes dated June 27. And I'll turn to my

[0:23:43] Voice 10: two trustees and ask if there's any changes or any concerns. Yes.

[0:23:47] Voice 10: Two things. Sure. Go ahead.

[0:23:48] Voice 10: uh bottom of page seven um

[0:23:51] Voice 2: seven of the minutes or seven of the agenda back

[0:23:54] Voice 2: okay um the the very bottom was um um there's a statement that allowing wood

[0:24:02] Voice 2: patios would be contrary that i don't trust policy statement i believe that should be maybe

[0:24:09] Voice 2: uh

[0:24:09] Voice 7: yeah may is more appropriate yeah

[0:24:12] Voice 10: we probably i think there was the

[0:24:14] Voice 10: opinion expressed that so

[0:24:16] Voice 10: i'm i'm fine with that we can change that to me um and then turning over the page

[0:24:21] Voice 6: just so that's

[0:24:22] Voice 6: where it says allowing wood padding correct

[0:24:24] Voice 2: it should be made

[0:24:25] Voice 6: okay

[0:24:26] Voice 2: um then turning over

[0:24:29] Voice 2: the page to top of page eight um it says the mainland local trist committee

[0:24:34] Voice 4: oh yeah

[0:24:36] Voice 2: Yeah, we don't.

[0:24:40] Voice 10: Thanks, Dave.

[0:24:41] Voice 10: That's me.

[0:24:42] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:24:43] Voice 7: And then just a reminder on the very first page is CATS.

[0:24:48] Voice 7: K-A-T.

[0:24:49] Voice 7: Oh.

[0:24:50] Voice 7: Not, I mean, that's not, that's the CATS.

[0:24:52] Voice 7: K-A-T.

[0:24:53] Voice 7: You wouldn't know.

[0:24:55] Voice 8: So with those

[0:24:58] Voice 10: amendments, can we adopt the minutes as amended?

[0:25:06] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[0:25:07] Voice 10: there's no resolutions without meeting no apc minutes uh we have business arising from

[0:25:13] Voice 10: uh the minutes uh the follow-up action list is actually on page 13 to 14. um

[0:25:22] Voice 10: planner chad would you have anything you want to flag for us

[0:25:25] Voice 5: uh i'm not at this point okay uh

[0:25:29] Voice 10: trustees? I do have a question. My question is, and I'm saying this because I, as a member of

[0:25:38] Voice 10: the executive, because I have some agenda to get the fees bylaw passed, because we have now,

[0:25:45] Voice 10: we're working towards trying to do that. It helps with our budget. We now have at least eight of the

[0:25:50] Voice 10: local trust committees, maybe nine by now, that have adopted the fees bylaw. Can you tell me where

[0:25:56] Voice 10: that's apt because i think you were going to in the last meeting you were going to provide

[0:26:00] Voice 10: a response to uh the local trust to the apc to their various questions

[0:26:11] Voice 6: so you

[0:26:13] Voice 10: think the questions have not necessarily been the answers have not actually been sent to

[0:26:22] Voice 10: the apc so i'm going to just put a plug in if we could please i'm not telling i'm not going to

[0:26:30] Voice 10: presage what the preview what the ltc is going to do at the end with the apc report but i think it

[0:26:36] Voice 10: would be good if we could have this on our september agenda

[0:26:39] Voice 10: for sure um the budget was

[0:26:42] Voice 10: sort of set on the assumption that most of the trust local trust communities would adopt it if

[0:26:46] Voice 10: they're not going to we should know why um okay uh thanks very much we can get that back i appreciate

[0:26:55] Voice 10: um so i have nothing further so that's the end of the follow-up action list

[0:27:00] Voice 10: uh there's no donations and correspondence so the first item on the agenda uh your timing

[0:27:06] Voice 10: is impeccable is the main island um housing society um and we have a staff report

[0:27:17] Voice 10: And of course we have the one question that was put to us during the town hall. Why don't I turn over to you, Marissa, and we'll see if we can see where we go with this discussion.

[0:27:28] Voice 5: Yeah, so at the June meeting, the trial was read for the first time. And there are three things that I find that are sort of outstanding for some kind of decisions in order to move forward.

[0:27:43] Voice 5: forward. One is related to, so the things that were, well there were three things, and

[0:27:50] Voice 5: one of them has been addressed and then two of them require some further discussion. So

[0:27:55] Voice 5: the one that, there was some interest in sort of a more clear commitment to maintenance

[0:28:00] Voice 5: and monitoring acceptance system in the covenant, and so that has been, that language has been

[0:28:05] Voice 5: been proposed and appears to address the LTC. The other two, the next one is the identification

[0:28:20] Voice 5: of when lot two can be built on. So there was some discussion at the previous LTC meeting

[0:28:29] Voice 5: day around uh so that the housing society has expressed uh interest in some kind of certainty

[0:28:38] Voice 5: around uh the building on lot two um so the uh the owners have a clear sense of where

[0:28:48] Voice 5: what the opportunity is there um the sort of original proposal in the covenant was that that

[0:28:56] Voice 5: lot to be built on until the amenity as defined as the housing is provided um and so that that

[0:29:04] Voice 5: leaves a little bit of uncertainty around timing um and and also it was yet to be defined exactly

[0:29:12] Voice 5: what the limitation

[0:29:13] Voice 5: of the housing being provided was going to be so that was still a little bit

[0:29:16] Voice 5: open um so there with respect to um this question it really is um there there's also been some

[0:29:26] Voice 5: discussion around what else could be considered as an amenity uh and could there be another

[0:29:33] Voice 5: another consideration of another type of amenity that could potentially allow for the development

[0:29:39] Voice 5: development on lot two to go ahead prior to the completion of the housing on lot three water was

[0:29:49] Voice 5: brought up at the last local trust community as a potential item to be discussed as an amenity and

[0:29:57] Voice 5: And since the...

[0:30:00] Voice 5: housing society has done a bit of research and staff have done some research as well and

[0:30:06] Voice 5: whatever kind of arrangement might be looked at whether it's easement or whether it's

[0:30:12] Voice 5: allowing access for water districts or other things would actually be quite a lengthy and

[0:30:19] Voice 5: complicated process to engage in and the housing society has indicated that it's not something

[0:30:26] Voice 5: that they want to uh they don't have they're not interested in having a discussion around water

[0:30:32] Voice 5: that that isn't really their obviously not their um area of focus um the other thing that's

[0:30:41] Voice 5: brought up earlier in the process was the consideration of uh of the land that they've

[0:30:48] Voice 5: indicated as protection or wetland remediation and thanks for bringing up this in terms of

[0:30:57] Voice 5: definition of what that is if the if if the LTC wants to move ahead to explore what that could

[0:31:05] Voice 5: mean staff would have to do a bit more work I have spoken with the conservancy to get an

[0:31:13] Voice 5: indication of what that process would be and and it would require um some you know very clear

[0:31:20] Voice 5: surveying and um uh like a biological survey so there's a there's a process that's involved

[0:31:28] Voice 5: uh to determine what's there and how it would be modern and what's going to and what would be

[0:31:32] Voice 5: defined as the area and all of that sort of things there is um like i said that would be quite a bit

[0:31:38] Voice 5: of process before we'd actually be able to determine what it is so to answer your question

[0:31:42] Voice 5: um there could be um an opportunity in the covenant to strengthen uh to strengthen the

[0:31:51] Voice 5: language so that the the land would not be developed on and until such time that the ltc

[0:32:01] Voice 5: is is comfortable that the housing is going to move forward or or until such time that um would

[0:32:08] Voice 5: need to be determined so the language could say something like uh you know the land is not to be

[0:32:15] Voice 5: disturbed until and that would need to be determined by by the ltc um um and again that question is

[0:32:23] Voice 5: important to address um in terms of the of the development on lot two is specifically what we're

[0:32:30] Voice 5: talking about here. Um, the other item that I identified that hadn't really sort of had any

[0:32:40] Voice 5: kind of closure around was the discussion of sunset, or what, what, what would what has been

[0:32:48] Voice 5: kind of termed a sunset call, which is what happens if nothing happens, if the housing

[0:32:52] Voice 5: doesn't go forward on on lot three on the proposed lot three. And from staff's perspective,

[0:33:00] Voice 5: I'm trying to define that I will will be challenging again there is there's some interest in questions around whether that could go into conservation land that again would be a whole process and from a legal perspective would necessitate quite a bit of

[0:33:19] Voice 5: work to figure out how that would work.

[0:33:22] Voice 5: the reality is essentially that if that land is not built on then it is because of

[0:33:29] Voice 5: the housing agreement the covenant it's really quite constrained so it really is only a very

[0:33:35] Voice 5: specific type of development that could happen there so it may end up being left and there is

[0:33:39] Voice 5: a if there's strong enough language in the in the covenant speaking to it not not being able

[0:33:46] Voice 5: to be disturbed then um essentially the interest in it being preserved would uh would be would be

[0:33:53] Voice 5: um uh would be supported um so that that's basically those are the the points so again

[0:34:00] Voice 5: i think that the two points for discussion are the main the two points for discussion are the

[0:34:06] Voice 5: sunset clause which is i think a little less complicated than the other one which is related

[0:34:12] Voice 5: related to this question around other amenity or you know what happens what what at what point um

[0:34:18] Voice 5: uh would the LTC consider um building on on the proposed lot too

[0:34:27] Voice 10: okay thanks um I'll just say it but I think those are interrelated they

[0:34:33] Voice 8: are they could be

[0:34:34] Voice 8: related yeah yeah um

[0:34:36] Voice 10: so why don't we do this if it's okay unless trustee is going to jump in right

[0:34:41] Voice 10: now i was going to ask the applicant if they wanted to speak i know that thank you for your

[0:34:44] Voice 10: letter i think from friday we

[0:34:46] Voice 10: have responded to some of the issues related to the to the uh staff

[0:34:50] Voice 10: report um and then why don't we when we hear from uh the applicant and then we can have a

[0:34:58] Voice 10: conversation with you and also with staff about what what to do with the issues that are outstanding

[0:35:05] Voice 10: and where we want this to go and what kind of direction we want to get stuff so

[0:35:09] Voice 10: So are you going to speak next, Gibson?

[0:35:11] Voice 1: I am, yeah.

[0:35:12] Voice 1: Yeah, thank you, trustees, for having me today.

[0:35:15] Voice 1: Hopefully to see everyone again on this beautiful day.

[0:35:19] Voice 1: So we have a few things that we want to cover.

[0:35:21] Voice 1: I'll try not to be too repetitive in the staff report

[0:35:23] Voice 1: or the letter that we sent on Friday.

[0:35:25] Voice 1: But there's a few important notes that we want to hit on.

[0:35:28] Voice 1: And

[0:35:28] Voice 10: just so you know, not everybody in the room will.

[0:35:31] Voice 10: In fact, probably nobody but us have seen your letter.

[0:35:34] Voice 10: so so don't don't hesitate to to talk about what's the context of your response good

[0:35:41] Voice 1: so yeah i would

[0:35:42] Voice 1: just like to start by acknowledging that um sort of the the last sticky issue for moving this

[0:35:48] Voice 1: application forward is the creation of lot two and how that can be developed in relation to the

[0:35:54] Voice 1: housing or some other amenity on lot three and while it is difficult it's been difficult to

[0:35:59] Voice 1: resolve that issue unfortunately the creation of that lot is non-negotiable because of the

[0:36:04] Voice 1: the unfortunate circumstances of the McHugh family. The powers of attorney for Dr. McHugh

[0:36:09] Voice 1: don't have the power or the ability to change the contractual obligations of Dr. McHugh at this

[0:36:15] Voice 1: point, which include the creation of that lot. So unfortunately, that's what we have to deal with.

[0:36:21] Voice 1: And that's why we're having this discussion right now. And also part of the clarification

[0:36:25] Voice 1: in the letter that we sent was that the powers of attorney don't necessarily intend to build on

[0:36:32] Voice 1: lot to in the next five years. They just have a concern that the impact of an indefinite

[0:36:37] Voice 1: encumbrance on that lot might impact their obligations to Dr. McHugh, and perhaps any

[0:36:43] Voice 1: future sale of that lot. And so that's why we're having this discussion about the ability to develop

[0:36:48] Voice 1: that lot sooner than when the housing is developed. And so all that being said, I do appreciate the

[0:36:54] Voice 1: flexibility of staff and the trustees to talk about this and try and land on some kind of

[0:36:58] Voice 1: alternative that works for all parties and we also appreciate that the trustees through this

[0:37:03] Voice 1: whole process have been trying to address the concerns of the neighbors and that has led to

[0:37:07] Voice 1: some of the the really good due diligence that has happened such as the ecological assessment

[0:37:11] Voice 1: and the water management plan um and some of the results of that work has led to um the the site

[0:37:18] Voice 1: design and the building design of both lots two and three where large areas of both are going to

[0:37:23] Voice 1: be protected even when they're both developed and so what we're trying to do now is figure out a

[0:37:30] Voice 1: collaborative and ideally the simplest path forward so that the land can be resolved so that

[0:37:36] Voice 1: the society is well positioned for funding to actually build the affordable housing but so that

[0:37:40] Voice 1: watu is not so encumbered and the mackey family feels that they're able to fulfill their obligations

[0:37:47] Voice 1: um and so as staff mentioned uh the way the covenant is worded right now there are large

[0:37:54] Voice 1: areas of both lots two and three the two new lots that will be protected in perpetuity um lot three

[0:38:00] Voice 1: has and into lot two has the the wetland remediation area and lot two has a very specific

[0:38:06] Voice 1: area of the lot that can actually be built on in the future for whatever house might go on there

[0:38:10] Voice 1: in the future and so regardless of whether the affordable housing actually gets funding and is

[0:38:17] Voice 1: built there will be protected area on this land which otherwise would not exist the current zoning

[0:38:22] Voice 1: zoning of the land allows for silviculture so the land could be logged again. It could be redeveloped

[0:38:28] Voice 1: within its zoning parameters and so we sort of view the rezoning alone as an amenity by protecting

[0:38:36] Voice 1: areas of the land that wouldn't otherwise be protected. This does impact some of the concerns

[0:38:40] Voice 1: we've heard from neighbors about the stormwater runoff. Further logging and redevelopment which

[0:38:46] Voice 1: would likely make that worse whereas the way that we're proposing this development in a really

[0:38:51] Voice 1: really mindful way would protect land, it would protect the wetlands that would help with stormwater runoff, and the development of the affordable housing will take into careful consideration the runoff before construction and after construction, and will not be able to make that those impacts worse, which is sort of a standard practice these days in stormwater management.

[0:39:13] Voice 1: And so if the trustees find this approach acceptable and the wording in the covenant is strong enough that that land is considered protected and it's an amenity,

[0:39:25] Voice 1: this would allow Main Island Housing Society to secure the land as soon as possible,

[0:39:31] Voice 1: which is really essential for securing both additional pre-development funding to continue some of the due diligence and design work,

[0:39:37] Voice 1: and also the final capital funding to construct the project.

[0:39:42] Voice 1: And the impact of delaying this application further could be very real for the project because of the timing of summer holidays and then the election, even a month delay at this point could result in six months before a decision is made, because of all the other factors

[0:40:01] Voice 1: that's right here um and there's lots of momentum in bc and on the southern gulf islands right now

[0:40:07] Voice 1: in terms of affordable housing uh main island housing society is already part of several

[0:40:11] Voice 1: initiatives looking at either policy or actions to help provide affordable housing in the region

[0:40:17] Voice 1: um and who knows what's going to grow out of it it could be further funding that doesn't exist

[0:40:23] Voice 1: right now and might exist a couple years from now and achieving the rezoning and securing the land

[0:40:30] Voice 1: for the society will really help position them to be able to apply for whatever is coming down the

[0:40:34] Voice 1: line. We don't know for sure, but we've heard that BC Housing will be releasing a funding call in

[0:40:39] Voice 1: 2023. So that's sort of the big one that we know about that we would want to position for, but

[0:40:44] Voice 1: there could be others down the line as well. And as I mentioned, if this is delayed or halted,

[0:40:52] Voice 1: it could really cost the society substantially in terms of time and money, but it'll also delay

[0:40:58] Voice 1: the provision of housing indefinitely. If this rezoning isn't successful it's really difficult

[0:41:05] Voice 1: to find land for projects like this especially land that's ultimately free that a non-profit

[0:41:11] Voice 1: society can actually acquire and so without this land it'll be very difficult to realize any

[0:41:16] Voice 1: secured rental affordable housing in the near future. All that being said on that slightly

[0:41:23] Voice 1: dire note I do want to focus on the positive outcomes of this rezoning application and this

[0:41:27] Voice 1: land use change um and so the first of which is what we're discussing today and it's the

[0:41:33] Voice 1: potential protection of land on this site um we don't have final numbers it's not been surveyed

[0:41:38] Voice 1: but we estimate um with both block two and three being built out it would be four to four and a

[0:41:43] Voice 1: half acres of protected area and until the affordable housing is developed um as staff

[0:41:49] Voice 1: mentioned nothing else will will be able to go there except for affordable rental housing it's

[0:41:54] Voice 1: so constrained that no other type of development will be allowed so until that's built it'll be

[0:42:00] Voice 1: another roughly an acre protected of course the biggest positive outcome is positioning

[0:42:07] Voice 1: and a step forward for actually providing affordable rental housing on the island

[0:42:12] Voice 1: having land secured is such a benefit to the community it positions main island really well

[0:42:19] Voice 1: to apply for funding that's coming down the line but even in worst case if they're not successful

[0:42:23] Voice 1: That land is sitting there for maybe some other organization like the capital regional housing corporation, BC Housing themselves, maybe other organizations to be able to access that land for affordable housing.

[0:42:36] Voice 1: And so on that note, I would really just like to ask the trustees to consider their

[0:42:41] Voice 1: options for moving the project forward and ideally scheduling a CIN and a public hearing prior to the fall election, because that delay could have impacts pretty

[0:42:51] Voice 1: significantly on the society um about it um deborah david i don't

[0:42:57] Voice 9: know if there's anything to add

[0:43:00] Voice 9: well i i'd like to just add that what we have included in the covenant is the full

[0:43:06] Voice 9: recommendations of the um the uh ecological assessment and keith erickson's assessment

[0:43:14] Voice 9: of recommendations in there and we also have included the recommendations from the wetland

[0:43:19] Voice 9: remediation plan so that provides some of that security we believe that is desired from the

[0:43:28] Voice 9: trustees to protect the land going forward and that will be in the covenant regardless of whatever

[0:43:34] Voice 9: happens to the development on lot three i

[0:43:40] Voice 11: also wanted to emphasize one point was in the letter

[0:43:43] Voice 11: of friday which is the staff report indicated the daughters uh the mchugh's intention to build

[0:43:50] Voice 11: on the lot within five years in fact they are comfortable with a delay of five years in the

[0:43:56] Voice 11: opportunity building on lot two after subdivision type of transfer so they're happy with a fixed

[0:44:02] Voice 11: delay they're just unable to agree to an indefinite or an uncertain delay because it makes

[0:44:09] Voice 11: their planning impossible under the circumstances McHugh himself Sean McHugh himself was

[0:44:16] Voice 11: comfortably delayed because he he was happy to be honest and wait but they're in a very different

[0:44:24] Voice 11: position quite constrained by the nature of their obligations to Dr McHugh they are doing their very

[0:44:31] Voice 11: best to fulfill his generous request but it's a difficult circumstance for them to be working

[0:44:38] Voice 11: under the constraints of powers of attorney for his third affair I

[0:44:46] Voice 10: have a couple questions but

[0:44:47] Voice 10: either of you have questions well my question one question i have is i want to make sure i

[0:44:53] Voice 10: understand something because i i hear that the planner says about the judgment we need to make

[0:45:00] Voice 10: about what's an amenity and what it might look like but um in terms of the uh the remediation

[0:45:08] Voice 10: work um let's say we got a section 219 covenant we got all the language in there there's some

[0:45:14] Voice 10: there's some positive obligations involved there uh in in terms of the the uh the um

[0:45:22] Voice 10: the water remediation the wetland remediation and other things that are there

[0:45:25] Voice 10: how would that work what could what would be the the uh the action we would see if even before

[0:45:36] Voice 10: before any kind of funding was obtained

[0:45:42] Voice 10: for the actual construction of the project itself.

[0:45:48] Voice 8: In

[0:45:48] Voice 10: other words, I guess what I'm saying is

[0:45:50] Voice 10: there would be some positive obligations in there

[0:45:53] Voice 10: and would there be an outcome

[0:45:54] Voice 10: or is it just a protection outcome of the,

[0:45:57] Voice 10: and I don't wanna minimize that.

[0:45:59] Voice 10: I just say, do you understand my question?

[0:46:01] Voice 1: I'm sorry, I sort

[0:46:02] Voice 10: of stumbled a little bit.

[0:46:04] Voice 1: um yeah maybe i'll start and deb you can jump in if i okay if i get anything wrong but um

[0:46:08] Voice 1: the way we've been approaching it um is that uh the amenity would be the protection um in terms

[0:46:15] Voice 1: of that that shorter term outlook of being able to um a lot to being less encumbered

[0:46:21] Voice 1: and the remediation itself um at least up until this point um would have been part of

[0:46:26] Voice 1: affordable housing development so once funding is secured for that then sort of that positive

[0:46:31] Voice 1: of obligation comes in to do the remediation work um i think the big uh barrier to doing any

[0:46:37] Voice 1: remediation prior to the housing um is of course funding um and so so and the protection itself

[0:46:46] Voice 1: does have value as well so

[0:46:48] Voice 9: so i'd like to just jump in here when we were talking to the um

[0:46:52] Voice 9: wetland remediation specialist she was indicating that the development of the land for the affordable

[0:46:59] Voice 9: affordable housing project removing plant material and things like that were necessary

[0:47:05] Voice 9: to to begin and to initiate and fulfill the wetland remediation so our view is that until

[0:47:15] Voice 9: that land starts to be cleared for the affordable housing bill there will not be enough plant

[0:47:21] Voice 9: material to fulfill the obligations of the wetland remediation so we see them in tandem

[0:47:26] Voice 9: okay

[0:47:27] Voice 10: so so just so i'm clear to make sure i just like to repeat what i'm hearing so what you're

[0:47:31] Voice 10: saying is is that when you're asking us to consider the section 219 protection covenant

[0:47:38] Voice 10: as opposed to the act of remediation uh work as as an amenity uh here in addition to

[0:47:45] Voice 10: the project or in conjunction with the actual project that's that's what you're asking

[0:47:51] Voice 10: that's what you're suggesting as opposed to one of the things we've heard from the neighbors

[0:47:57] Voice 10: downstream is uh is that even now they have water problems and they're concerned they'll be

[0:48:07] Voice 10: they'll be um uh exacerbated by this project i'm short forming and please don't take me to be i

[0:48:14] Voice 10: know they're more concerned but that's initially in a nutshell that's one of their concerns is that

[0:48:19] Voice 10: the that the project would exacerbate and one of the the answers of the housing society to date has

[0:48:26] Voice 10: been actually we're going to make it better um because we're going to have this this water

[0:48:32] Voice 10: capture pond and all the rest of these things and uh that we're gonna we're gonna remediate some of

[0:48:38] Voice 10: the wetlands the water runoff should actually be improved despite the fact that there's a

[0:48:42] Voice 10: development there you can have your own opinion whether that's valid or not but that's one of

[0:48:48] Voice 10: the things that you've said to us uh is this and i guess i just wanted to be sure that but what i'm

[0:48:54] Voice 10: hearing is that kind of cannot occur that's making it better and again i'm paraphrasing um it can't

[0:49:04] Voice 10: occur unless the actual project goes ahead because of cost i just i'm just clarifying because that's

[0:49:09] Voice 10: where my assumption would have been but i just wanted to be sure yeah

[0:49:12] Voice 4: that is

[0:49:13] Voice 11: that is clear

[0:49:14] Voice 11: the case but also have some uh funding for the project there will be nothing happening right so

[0:49:20] Voice 10: it will stay as

[0:49:21] Voice 11: a as it is

[0:49:22] Voice 10: right unless a project all right thank you i just want to be clear about

[0:49:27] Voice 10: my other questions or comments for the applicant or for staff or um this is an opportunity to have

[0:49:33] Voice 10: a conversation with the applicants about how they wish you know what you'd like to know and what

[0:49:38] Voice 10: their plans are and and what you think you think might be or or we don't have to well

[0:49:43] Voice 2: i guess one

[0:49:44] Voice 2: question i have is the actual subdivision process with the ministry of highways where's where's that

[0:49:50] Voice 2: in the process right now is there a pla on it yet or we

[0:49:54] Voice 9: we are waiting for we are waiting for some

[0:49:57] Voice 9: determination out of this uh process here to apply for um subdivision we have been in touch with

[0:50:04] Voice 9: multi many many times we were in touch with multi around the driveway we've been in touch with multi

[0:50:09] Voice 9: about the requirements that are necessary for the subdivision we've been in touch with the ministry

[0:50:14] Voice 9: of health around the septic and approvals and the um water treatment plan which informs the

[0:50:24] Voice 9: subdivision approval yeah

[0:50:27] Voice 2: i guess having gone through the submission process myself the advice

[0:50:32] Voice 2: i was given was was the first thing to do is get the pla because that sets the foundation for what

[0:50:37] Voice 2: you're going to be asking for from the local trust committee and so because the moody can come back

[0:50:44] Voice 2: with what we want this we don't want that we don't want the driveway here one driveway there

[0:50:48] Voice 8: all

[0:50:48] Voice 2: that so i just wondering um why you haven't applied for the subdivision process so that we

[0:50:54] Voice 2: know for sure going forward is that that's what we're looking at rather than have the ministry

[0:51:00] Voice 2: say play on the whole bench you know other approval process it's

[0:51:04] Voice 9: a very good question

[0:51:05] Voice 9: we've been advised by the islands trust planner to wait and we've been advised for boti to wait

[0:51:10] Voice 9: so i understand that we need to have the rezoning before even the subdivision will be considered

[0:51:16] Voice 1: so yeah

[0:51:16] Voice 8: and yeah

[0:51:17] Voice 1: just to be a little bit more clear it was based on advice from both islands

[0:51:21] Voice 1: trust and um moby um and it's understandable just because um securing the land like if the

[0:51:27] Voice 1: rezoning doesn't go through then there's no point in applying for the subdivision and so

[0:51:31] Voice 1: putting all those resources towards the subdivision before there's any type of certainty

[0:51:35] Voice 1: um originally we had talked about submitting the application after first reading which just

[0:51:40] Voice 1: happened last month um but because of this um sort of the uncertainty around law too i think we

[0:51:46] Voice 1: wanted to wait to see how the trustees were going to move ahead before putting those resources into

[0:51:51] Voice 1: that application

[0:51:51] Voice 9: could you could you please explain where the pla is

[0:51:56] Voice 10: a preliminary layout

[0:51:59] Voice 10: something approval preliminary layout approval and i don't understand it beyond that

[0:52:06] Voice 10: been through a number i've seen them but i but that's what it stands for

[0:52:11] Voice 10: it's uh an initial process before you get your family i actually have another question

[0:52:16] Voice 10: my just so i'm clear my understand because i'm trying to do some math in my head my

[0:52:20] Voice 10: My understanding is that proposal from the applicant

[0:52:25] Voice 10: and perhaps from the powers of attorney

[0:52:30] Voice 10: through the applicant is they would like the restriction

[0:52:34] Voice 10: to be five years from the date of subdivision approval.

[0:52:37] Voice 9: From the date of title transfer.

[0:52:42] Voice 10: Which could be three years from the two years from now.

[0:52:48] Voice 10: So they're not talking about five years from now,

[0:52:50] Voice 10: they're talking about five years from title transfer that's

[0:52:54] Voice 9: correct or

[0:52:55] Voice 10: or until construction

[0:52:58] Voice 10: starts or something like that whatever anyway okay

[0:53:00] Voice 9: i just

[0:53:01] Voice 10: won't be sure we were all talking

[0:53:02] Voice 10: about the same calendar that's right

[0:53:04] Voice 9: and in that period of time a lot of different

[0:53:08] Voice 9: things could happen on on the lots you know and in the world

[0:53:14] Voice 9: yeah yeah

[0:53:17] Voice 10: they certainly have anyway i'm sorry i

[0:53:21] Voice 7: don't have any questions i just i find it

[0:53:23] Voice 7: frustrating for many months now we focused on the

[0:53:26] Voice 7: amenity being the built housing and i felt that

[0:53:29] Voice 7: all along like step by step every time we were sort of moving forward we had to stop and go back

[0:53:34] Voice 7: because we had to go home for a while things changed this is an amenity reason very different

[0:53:39] Voice 7: from anyone else's housing proposal and to me there's a lot of uncertainty around the amenity

[0:53:46] Voice 7: it would be so much cleaner if that was just a single lot being cut off and given to the housing

[0:53:52] Voice 7: society but that is not the fact the fact is that the McHugh family will end up with this extra lot

[0:53:58] Voice 7: so now the question is what we're down now this is the new question to me we're starting a whole

[0:54:03] Voice 7: new conversation what should the amenity be if it can't be the housing what should it be

[0:54:07] Voice 7: and one option you've offered was the covenant more more uh covenants on the two pieces of

[0:54:14] Voice 7: property but anyways my feeling is that it's it's a complicated application where the goalposts have

[0:54:20] Voice 7: changed a number of times my comfort level at this point is not to be the person to be making

[0:54:25] Voice 7: a decision on whether it should be the covenant or we should stay with the housing my feeling has

[0:54:30] Voice 7: always been when we run up against basically to me a brick wall that we refer to our apc

[0:54:36] Voice 7: our apc is a number of members of the general community i think it's a bigger conversation

[0:54:41] Voice 7: we don't get a lot of community conversation we don't get a lot of people coming out to the

[0:54:46] Voice 7: meetings to see what's actually going on so through the apc we get a little bit more

[0:54:51] Voice 7: filter through the community i think it's a really important point that we be sure about

[0:54:56] Voice 7: what we're going to decide the amenity is or is not at this point even the conservation concept

[0:55:02] Voice 7: is still kind of fuzzy we don't have the actual concrete knowing what that could be so i would

[0:55:09] Voice 7: propose a motion unless you want to keep the conversation going well

[0:55:12] Voice 10: i'm not sure where we

[0:55:13] Voice 7: are with the trustee and i think i think that's

[0:55:17] Voice 10: something that i think it would also be appropriate

[0:55:19] Voice 10: for the applicant to have an opportunity to speak to um i mean one of the things we've we've talked

[0:55:26] Voice 10: about and i've heard you say a couple of times was well if nothing could be built in a particular

[0:55:32] Voice 10: period of time, could it revert to some form of a conserved area, like a protected area

[0:55:45] Voice 10: as opposed to a housing area?

[0:55:47] Voice 10: But my understanding is, at least to date, that the applicant hasn't thought that was

[0:55:53] Voice 10: a good idea if you had the same similar sunset.

[0:55:57] Voice 10: that but but again that would be that would then be the potential amenity okay but

[0:56:02] Voice 7: we haven't that's

[0:56:03] Voice 7: still up in the air like we don't have

[0:56:04] Voice 7: a staff report to say it's like to me a two-step here

[0:56:08] Voice 7: first off we have to to me go back to the apc and say what do you think about what should the

[0:56:12] Voice 7: amenity be should the amenity obviously we stick with the housing as the amenity that's going to

[0:56:18] Voice 7: create a problem i think we need to have that community conversation at that table then the

[0:56:24] Voice 7: second issue is if it's going to be consideration of a more comprehensive covenant conservation

[0:56:30] Voice 7: covenant on both parcels then that's actually a staff report that needs to come back to us yeah

[0:56:35] Voice 10: i wasn't okay

[0:56:36] Voice 7: well since we're at this meeting again we're we don't we haven't yet to go step

[0:56:41] Voice 7: by step this is done this is done to me we've kind of gone forward and backwards i find it

[0:56:46] Voice 7: very frustrating yeah

[0:56:47] Voice 10: and i'm sorry

[0:56:47] Voice 7: so whatever you want to decide that's all i know is meeting

[0:56:50] Voice 7: okay

[0:56:51] Voice 8: sorry no i'm

[0:56:52] Voice 8: not deciding anything but i

[0:56:54] Voice 7: don't need any more conversations

[0:56:55] Voice 7: i

[0:56:56] Voice 8: think

[0:56:58] Voice 7: i don't think there's any more questions to be asked and i think the

[0:57:01] Voice 7: other concern that i've heard of course is that the wetland remediation too if that's not going

[0:57:08] Voice 7: to happen until funding comes available for the housing we're looking many years down the road

[0:57:13] Voice 7: because the subdivision process is a very slow process so you get the rezoning then you so you're

[0:57:19] Voice 7: and then you finally apply to get the funding for your housing so the people who are living

[0:57:24] Voice 7: along mainfield drive are living in huge uncertainty for many years many years more

[0:57:29] Voice 7: than five years and i don't think that's really fair either um

[0:57:34] Voice 10: okay uh i i do think it's important

[0:57:38] Voice 10: to have let the applicant have an opportunity to respond to what you just said but i but i

[0:57:42] Voice 10: actually was not just talking about a conservation covenant i was talking about the fact that

[0:57:46] Voice 10: at one point we floated the idea that okay if it becomes obvious in x number of years that they're

[0:57:53] Voice 10: not going to get to funding this isn't going to happen that that lot three then would revert to

[0:57:57] Voice 10: becoming a a conserved piece of land like not necessarily apart and if

[0:58:03] Voice 7: we could get that in

[0:58:04] Voice 7: a you know in a

[0:58:05] Voice 7: sunset cause but i'm not sure that we can't but i'm totally in agreement with

[0:58:08] Voice 7: that idea too and

[0:58:10] Voice 10: i just

[0:58:11] Voice 7: haven't heard the

[0:58:11] Voice 10: applicant say that they think that that's

[0:58:13] Voice 10: a great idea they would like to preserve it as a zoned piece of housing uh land anyway i'm sorry i

[0:58:20] Voice 10: i do think before we go into our own conversation it's appropriate to lobby you guys an opportunity

[0:58:25] Voice 10: to respond to some of the comments referred or the planner sorry were you going to say something

[0:58:30] Voice 10: i can't

[0:58:30] Voice 5: see you oh yeah i was just going to speak to the um the idea of going into conservation so

[0:58:39] Voice 5: So if the zone, if the land is re-zoned for presidential,

[0:58:45] Voice 5: it can't be down zoned to basically have no value.

[0:58:50] Voice 5: So that's where it becomes a more challenging prospect

[0:58:54] Voice 5: for it to fall into strictly conservation.

[0:59:01] Voice 5: There would have to be some kind of a conversation

[0:59:03] Voice 5: at some point in time

[0:59:05] Voice 5: around essentially covenants at that point in time on the land so that would be the only way

[0:59:11] Voice 5: to sort of address that sorry

[0:59:13] Voice 10: just say that again if it's zoned residential if

[0:59:16] Voice 5: you have a piece of

[0:59:17] Voice 5: land that's zoned residentially you can't you can't basically remove all value from um from

[0:59:24] Voice 5: a lot you

[0:59:25] Voice 10: mean financial value

[0:59:26] Voice 5: exactly that's that's yeah so it means you can't you can't

[0:59:30] Voice 5: limit it to nothing you'd still it would have to you would still have to allow some form of

[0:59:36] Voice 5: residential but

[0:59:37] Voice 10: i expected you what you're saying and we're having this conversation what you're

[0:59:41] Voice 10: saying is that would be without the consent of the landlord

[0:59:43] Voice 5: that would be okay so

[0:59:46] Voice 5: if they agreed

[0:59:46] Voice 5: and if they agreed in advance then certainly yeah i

[0:59:50] Voice 10: mean not trying to suggest

[0:59:52] Voice 10: anything but i'm

[0:59:53] Voice 10: thinking okay we go through all this process we get to the end of the period of time

[0:59:58] Voice 10: to five years.

[1:00:00] Voice 10: post subdivision which could be seven or eight years comes along there's still no funding for

[1:00:03] Voice 10: the housing there's still but now lot two gets is able to be built on the restrictive

[1:00:08] Voice 10: covenant comes off of it what happens to lot three and that's and then

[1:00:13] Voice 5: that would have to

[1:00:15] Voice 10: be an agreement that at that point lot three could well you know what would happen to happen

[1:00:19] Voice 10: in eight years it's not going to happen the housing society got it for free they give it away

[1:00:25] Voice 10: it i mean for free it is wrong they've

[1:00:29] Voice 4: spent a ton of resources

[1:00:30] Voice 10: i'm sorry i apologize for that

[1:00:32] Voice 10: anyway i'm sorry go ahead we've heard from the planner we're sort of talking out loud right now

[1:00:38] Voice 9: well that was that was a really good piece of information that we needed to have to further

[1:00:42] Voice 9: this conversation i think in the planet report in your report that i i heard that there would

[1:00:47] Voice 9: need to be some compensation around rezoning that property to uh a conservation land once

[1:00:56] Voice 9: it's done for multi-family i don't believe that

[1:00:58] Voice 5: i don't believe there's ever been an

[1:01:00] Voice 5: compensation okay i

[1:01:05] Voice 9: must have misread that but i think what we're trying to do is go back to that

[1:01:10] Voice 9: whole idea and revisit it and and and and just look at it from a different perspective

[1:01:18] Voice 9: look

[1:01:19] Voice 8: at what the

[1:01:19] Voice 9: conservation idea and just to again reframe it that the majority of those two

[1:01:26] Voice 9: lots lot two and lot three with this rezoning that goes through will be protected so we're

[1:01:32] Voice 9: looking at that as we're opening that up into the conversation to uh again against state cap that's

[1:01:42] Voice 9: in the covenant that that will be protected it was the trustees request that the areas have that the

[1:01:51] Voice 9: two lots have very buildable defined areas on them and the rest of the land will be protected from

[1:01:57] Voice 9: development happen

[1:01:58] Voice 1: and if i can add to that i think um i understand what trusty dogs is saying

[1:02:04] Voice 1: about um referring to abc and understanding how the community might feel about it um i think in

[1:02:11] Voice 1: terms of um timing and sort of the the most efficient way forward um in my mind sort of the

[1:02:18] Voice 1: the two amenities that we're talking about right now are the affordable housing which has always

[1:02:22] Voice 1: been on the table or now we're talking about conservation of a certain area and um what i've

[1:02:28] Voice 1: heard is that trustee dodds is comfortable um with sort of which might not be procedurally

[1:02:34] Voice 1: um doable but as a concept is comfortable with um 10 years down the line whatever time frame

[1:02:41] Voice 1: if it seems obvious that the housing is not going to be developed that that plan then becomes

[1:02:45] Voice 1: protected in perpetuity and i think what what we're trying to communicate is that the way the

[1:02:51] Voice 1: covenant is framed it is already protected and sort of as a baseline it will be a protected area

[1:02:56] Voice 1: where the the only possible thing that can happen there is an affordable rental housing project

[1:03:02] Voice 1: within the parameters that are clearly defined in the covenant already and so um i don't know

[1:03:10] Voice 1: if if we know now that those are sort of the two options um then in my mind a public hearing is

[1:03:16] Voice 1: perhaps the way to hear the community's um input on that and whether they're comfortable with that

[1:03:23] Voice 1: um because if if a conservation area is not an acceptable amenity um we're kind of back to square

[1:03:31] Voice 1: one of how we can move this forward and so i think we're just looking for clarity one way or another

[1:03:38] Voice 1: in the near term um and if conservation like a protection of the land of some kind is not

[1:03:45] Voice 1: considered an amenity i think we would be interested to know from the trustees like

[1:03:50] Voice 1: what would be acceptable to be able to move the project forward within the parameters that

[1:03:55] Voice 1: that we're having to deal with right now and

[1:04:03] Voice 8: that's where i have

[1:04:03] Voice 7: said that i think we need

[1:04:04] Voice 7: to take it to the abc i feel that all of a sudden we're you know i think last month it was about the

[1:04:09] Voice 7: water so it keeps changing and i'm not comfortable right now with going to a public hearing where i

[1:04:15] Voice 7: feel that there's still a huge amount of information you don't have and i'm comfortable

[1:04:19] Voice 7: was going to the apc from our perspective the delay involved in another stage of

[1:04:32] deliberation is a significant risk to the project and i recognize that trustees are

[1:04:38] need to do their due diligence to make sure that the best possible outcome happens for the

[1:04:43] community but bear in mind that extending this project makes it less it makes it significantly

[1:04:51] Voice 11: leaders here specifically with the daughters uh poa they they've put they've given an awful lot

[1:04:58] Voice 11: of patience in working through this to understand the issues and the work they have and their legal

[1:05:05] Voice 11: obligations to their father property they are really have to really try hard with us to find

[1:05:11] Voice 11: a way to find a solution that allows them to fill their fulfill their father's wishes but this can't

[1:05:19] Voice 11: move along indefinitely potentially so we would really like the trustees to consider that there's

[1:05:28] Voice 11: not a way to define a suitable amenity within the framework that we're discussing the violation of

[1:05:37] Voice 11: law two and number the substantial majority of law two and three perpetuity can be considered

[1:05:44] Voice 11: we'd like to at least hear some some thoughts might consider that

[1:05:49] Voice 11: in my view because it is de facto conservation

[1:05:51] Voice 2: if i may is is that i think from our perspective

[1:05:57] Voice 2: or at least my perspective is that like at last meeting we got stripped torn off saying that we

[1:06:03] Voice 2: were dragging our feet and all that by members of the public in a process which from what i'm

[1:06:08] Voice 2: understanding from what's happening or gabriel we're actually faster ahead on the process of

[1:06:15] Voice 2: what we're doing but the difficulty for me is that the proposal keeps changing is that as trustee

[1:06:23] Voice 2: dodge has said is that last month it was water was going to be the minute that was the whole thing

[1:06:27] Voice 2: boom boom boom one nine amount of water and the three days later now we're water's off the table

[1:06:33] Voice 2: and we're on something else like it's it hasn't been a fixed proposal it's been one of these

[1:06:39] Voice 2: is changing, changing things.

[1:06:41] Voice 2: And I kind of concur with Trustee Dodds

[1:06:44] Voice 2: is getting another set of eyes on this

[1:06:48] Voice 2: and trying to narrow down the amenity

[1:06:50] Voice 2: because the amenity has been disposed of all.

[1:06:53] Voice 2: And I think the structure one on all of this

[1:06:59] Voice 2: is let's define what the amenity is.

[1:07:01] Voice 2: Like we a long time ago defined the amenity

[1:07:03] Voice 2: as being the completed housing project

[1:07:05] Voice 2: that apparently is unacceptable.

[1:07:08] Voice 2: acceptable and when we've been offered all these other possible amenities well let's figure out

[1:07:14] Voice 2: what the amenity is and i think apc might be the one sort of guiding body that would be able to

[1:07:20] sort of say okay this is as an island what we think the amenity should be just

[1:07:27] Voice 11: to be fair the

[1:07:28] Voice 11: the suggestion of using water community water or water access as an amenity was a suggestion that

[1:07:34] Voice 11: came to us it's not a change that we put forward to the ltc and it it is not it's just a very

[1:07:42] Voice 11: difficult one to to frame up particularly because it's information that we provided to staff

[1:07:50] Voice 11: the to our knowledge requested water and the process of delivering water involves a considerable

[1:07:58] amount of both legal and and

[1:08:01] Voice 11: legislative

[1:08:03] Voice 2: approval i certainly understood that about a month ago

[1:08:07] Voice 2: but um other people had to guide us as to whether that was appropriate amenity or not

[1:08:13] Voice 2: because uh anyhow i don't know where we go

[1:08:18] Voice 10: from here but well i think we're about to get a motion

[1:08:22] Voice 10: from uh trustee dodds and

[1:08:24] Voice 7: i want to remind you that our next meeting is not till the end of

[1:08:26] Voice 7: september two months from now the

[1:08:28] Voice 7: apc will have met by then we also meet at the end of october

[1:08:31] Voice 7: as a local trust committee and frankly if after an election you can't convince a new local trust

[1:08:37] Voice 7: committee to proceed with a rezoni of an issue that's got all the staff reports and hopefully

[1:08:42] Voice 7: all the ducks lined up then obviously there's a serious problem with the application but to be

[1:08:48] Voice 7: told right now that we have to somehow magically go immediately to a public hearing at our next

[1:08:54] Voice 7: next meeting I think I think it's really unfair this project's been actually not around that long

[1:08:59] Voice 7: it was put on hold it has a lot of different ramifications within community and it has 100

[1:09:05] Voice 7: opposition within its immediate neighbors which has certainly not unusual but also has some very

[1:09:11] Voice 7: valid points that have been made over time so very hold that in mind I move that we refer the housing

[1:09:17] Voice 7: amenity proposal to our apc to give us some clarification around what the community concept

[1:09:26] Voice 7: of an amenity for a housing for rezoning property for affordable housing would be

[1:09:33] Voice 7: in terms of built housing on that site versus uh letting the site be developed and conservation

[1:09:40] Voice 7: conservation covenants be used instead so that enough of a motion yeah

[1:09:46] Voice 10: we're gonna I'm sure the

[1:09:47] Voice 10: part is gonna

[1:09:48] Voice 7: have to I'm trying to make sure because I'm an university needs to know but the

[1:09:53] Voice 7: question for me to the APC is because all along we've understood that the housing the built housing

[1:09:58] Voice 7: would be there so what does the APC do they support the concept that the build housing would

[1:10:03] Voice 7: be there do they support taking that away and replacing that with the conservation covenant

[1:10:10] Voice 10: let's see with the motion that will clarify emotion when we can end up we can discuss the

[1:10:16] Voice 10: motion okay

[1:10:17] Voice 6: well um to refer the housing amenity proposal to abc for consideration of what would

[1:10:23] Voice 6: constitute amenities slash housing or conservation covenant unless you want that to be housing and

[1:10:30] Voice 6: or i think you could

[1:10:32] Voice 5: just keep it at what what could be considered the amenity what they would

[1:10:35] Voice 6: considered okay and

[1:10:37] Voice 5: then um staff can provide some additional um can

[1:10:43] Voice 10: you read it again because

[1:10:44] Voice 10: i think you need to have you have to put the i think you have to put the housing the main island

[1:10:49] Voice 10: housing society proposal at the beginning

[1:10:51] Voice 6: to refer the main island housing society proposal to the

[1:10:58] Voice 6: apc for consideration of what would constitute the amenity or amenity community amenities how about

[1:11:04] Voice 10: it how about an appropriate appropriate

[1:11:06] Voice 6: okay what would constitute

[1:11:09] Voice 10: that's the discussion

[1:11:13] Voice 6: so to refer the main island housing society proposal to the advisory planning commission

[1:11:24] for consideration of

[1:11:25] Voice 6: what would constitute an appropriate community amenity and i have a

[1:11:31] Voice 6: question i

[1:11:32] Voice 10: i would probably have something like given the evolution you know or i mean really the

[1:11:37] Voice 10: the discussion we're having is i and i will although i will say i mean we haven't started

[1:11:42] Voice 10: the debate we we actually have not made it definitive i mean let's say they walked in

[1:11:47] Voice 10: tomorrow and said well we've got the funding give us our zone we haven't actually decided whether

[1:11:53] Voice 10: we do give do that i mean i don't we've never actually we've given first reading but we haven't

[1:11:58] Voice 10: actually given second and third reading and had a

[1:12:00] Voice 10: public hearing and all the rest

[1:12:01] Voice 10: of it so

[1:12:02] Voice 10: um although that's been the move is the housing was the amenity i think we sort of said that that

[1:12:08] Voice 10: and

[1:12:09] Voice 7: we actually said we specifically said that so that was right the

[1:12:11] Voice 7: problem to me lies now we have

[1:12:14] Voice 7: to backtrack and then of course we talked about the water um a question i have for the planner

[1:12:20] Voice 7: is um part of the considerations for the apc would be to see in concrete terms what would the

[1:12:27] Voice 7: conservation what would a conservation covenant look like how would it work because that's going

[1:12:31] Voice 7: to be different than anything you've seen in the staff report so far yeah

[1:12:34] Voice 5: well i i think um if

[1:12:36] Voice 5: you're putting the question out to them what what um you know what would be uh what would they see

[1:12:43] Voice 5: as the amenity they see the the amenity if they define if they see the vanity

[1:12:47] Voice 5: as conservation of

[1:12:48] Voice 5: man then that would be another step in the process

[1:12:50] Voice 7: for us to

[1:12:51] Voice 5: define uh the process okay and but

[1:12:54] Voice 7: that's where also the other dilemma is that we still lack a whole bunch of information can you

[1:13:02] Voice 10: say no can you say that a little bit more about that trustee god what what further

[1:13:06] Voice 7: information

[1:13:08] Voice 7: first off we don't know the conservation area what the potential is for a conservation area

[1:13:14] Voice 7: to be an amenity we've never actually talked about that to be an amenity so we still don't

[1:13:19] Voice 7: know we need that at some point that's drafted but we also need to know within the community

[1:13:24] Voice 7: because we have had other we have other properties where things nothing has ever happened and we are

[1:13:30] Voice 7: are providing an additional lot you know to the family so it is it's it's a real dilemma no i

[1:13:39] Voice 10: understand that that's a trade-off for for short for the lack of

[1:13:43] Voice 7: a better word has changed now it's

[1:13:45] Voice 7: basically that it uh it's provided it's other than having that five now the five-year timeline

[1:13:52] Voice 7: that's new information let

[1:13:55] Voice 10: me let me ask you questions before i get a seconder for that

[1:13:58] Voice 10: motion just so we're all in the same context so you can probably frame the referral to the apc

[1:14:04] Voice 10: based on that motion the context of all the discussion we've had and i know you'll work with

[1:14:10] Voice 8: them now i forgot my question

[1:14:14] Voice 10: um um oh our next meeting's not until it's

[1:14:24] Voice 7: just september so one

[1:14:25] Voice 10: of the things i'm concerned about is is your staff report says give me direction to go create the

[1:14:34] Voice 10: section 219 cover but i'm guessing you can't do that until you have some definition yeah i would

[1:14:41] Voice 5: need to yeah i mean if there's if there's directing to explore the 2019 covenant i can do that because

[1:14:46] Voice 5: like i said like i mentioned before um there are a few steps to understand exactly what that would

[1:14:52] Voice 5: mean it was a process and uh so

[1:14:55] Voice 10: so if if we pass this motion we could pass a subsequent motion

[1:14:59] Voice 10: to give you some direction around the section 2019 okay

[1:15:02] Voice 8: because

[1:15:03] Voice 10: it just strikes me that if we're

[1:15:06] Voice 10: as trustee dodds talked about well we have the meetings of tamra we we do have we are fully

[1:15:11] Voice 10: constituted lcc in october um is uh is if we had whatever your thoughts were around that covenant

[1:15:19] Voice 10: and then we might be able to make a decision about them or not i mean i don't know what the

[1:15:26] Voice 10: appetite will be provided okay so can you read me back the motion and then i'll get i'll look for a

[1:15:30] Voice 10: second

[1:15:30] Voice 6: refer the name of the council society proposal to the apc for consideration of what

[1:15:38] Voice 6: would constitute an appropriate community amenity okay

[1:15:43] Voice 10: is there a second second okay do you want to

[1:15:45] Voice 10: speak to your emotion do you want to speak to the motion yeah i'm going to speak to the motion um

[1:15:51] Voice 10: even though i talk a lot i'm going to i mean i'll just say this is exactly the kind of thing that

[1:15:59] Voice 10: i've always said from my time in the executive that i think is is totally a local issue it's

[1:16:05] Voice 10: an issue that the local trustees have to decide how to move these things forward that's what your

[1:16:10] Voice 10: decision-making process for um i mean generally i i understand the dilemma here it's created by

[1:16:18] Voice 10: the fact that there's a second lot being created that um has that is creating a density that where

[1:16:24] Voice 10: one doesn't exist as well as the density that comes along with the actual housing itself and

[1:16:31] Voice 10: it has a lot of value um and what's what is it we need to know that's coming out the other end

[1:16:37] Voice 10: i mean i'm i'm generally um and quite impressed with the i'm not making any bones about this with

[1:16:45] Voice 10: the application and the nature of it but there's lots of issues to decide and the second lot makes

[1:16:50] Voice 10: a difference but generally speaking i just just generally think i should not uh in any way

[1:16:55] Voice 10: interfere with the decision of local trustees about about issues like this if they're not if

[1:17:01] Voice 10: you're not comfortable with making a decision at this stage and need the apc then that's the

[1:17:05] Voice 10: directions uh in my view in my opinion so with that if there's nothing further i'll just call

[1:17:11] Voice 10: the vote um and then all in favor thanks that passes unanimously um do you want to look at

[1:17:20] Voice 10: can we look at your um your covenant language and see if it needs to be amended now given the

[1:17:26] Voice 10: discussion do you need will that language work

[1:17:31] Voice 12: that's

[1:17:33] Voice 10: in your stock report regarding the section

[1:17:35] Voice 10: 219 covenant it just says that the main island local trust committee request staff draft is

[1:17:39] Voice 10: suitably worded section 219 covenant yeah i

[1:17:42] Voice 5: would add uh because it's more of a research piece

[1:17:51] Voice 5: um so so i think i think the language would be uh request staff to research uh or i mean yeah

[1:18:00] Voice 5: actually just leave it how about explore explore

[1:18:03] Voice 10: and drop

[1:18:05] Voice 5: yeah exploring okay

[1:18:06] Voice 10: you want to make that

[1:18:08] Voice 10: trust i'll move

[1:18:08] Voice 7: that the main local trust committee request staff explore and draft

[1:18:12] Voice 7: a suitable suitably worded s 219 covenant okay

[1:18:16] Voice 10: okay so any further discussion related to that

[1:18:20] Voice 10: okay all in favor that passes unanimously um okay is there anything further partner chad

[1:18:29] Voice 10: what related to this

[1:18:29] Voice 9: uh uh

[1:18:31] Voice 10: no okay yes go ahead thank

[1:18:33] Voice 9: you last time we were scheduled to go to

[1:18:35] Voice 9: an lt uh an apc meeting was in june of last year and it took us until the end of september through

[1:18:42] Voice 9: october to get even to the apc because of scheduling and other matters can you let us

[1:18:51] Voice 9: know when that might be that we go to the apc for consideration for any should

[1:18:58] Voice 7: be well before

[1:18:58] Voice 7: before a meeting at the end of September.

[1:19:02] Voice 10: I can't even begin.

[1:19:08] Something like that they typically need. I know there

[1:19:12] Voice 6: were issues. Yeah,

[1:19:15] Voice 9: I think that was a lot of them.

[1:19:18] Voice 6: I don't know

[1:19:19] Voice 9: matters ahead of us. Then by the time the minutes got printed,

[1:19:23] Voice 9: they didn't get to the next LTC meeting. There were issues

[1:19:28] Voice 9: who's around that. Just wanting to I'm just wanting to try and

[1:19:33] Voice 9: make sure that it is completed in time.

[1:19:35] Voice 9: Because

[1:19:35] Voice 7: the last APC meeting was when the trust policy statement

[1:19:39] Voice 7: was here. And that went very promptly and minutes promptly.

[1:19:44] Voice 7: So we will make sure we'll ensure with Nerissa that that

[1:19:47] Voice 7: that all of that holds up. I have I can't remember what

[1:19:50] Voice 7: happened back then. I think it was probably part of it.

[1:19:52] Voice 7: Yeah,

[1:19:53] Voice 5: I think there were challenges with the with the

[1:19:58] Voice 5: well

[1:19:58] Voice 10: there was they held a meeting and then they didn't want to allow certain people to speak

[1:20:02] Voice 10: remember that's my recollection

[1:20:04] Voice 6: and

[1:20:06] Voice 10: then they so they had to reconvene

[1:20:07] Voice 6: and then

[1:20:08] Voice 10: they had to

[1:20:09] Voice 10: reconvene after they got an appropriate direction about allowing public commentary so that's that's

[1:20:16] Voice 10: what my recollection

[1:20:17] Voice 9: is and i think

[1:20:18] Voice 10: i think you're right it was like september october

[1:20:21] Voice 10: yeah

[1:20:21] Voice 9: well there were three meetings in the last the minutes from the last

[1:20:25] Voice 9: meeting were presented in the november for the november ltc meeting so it took some time

[1:20:31] Voice 9: for all of those all that information to be so

[1:20:33] Voice 10: so the only thing ahead of you on the agenda is

[1:20:36] Voice 10: their answers to the fees bylaw there's nothing else before the apc right now and that's just

[1:20:40] Voice 10: getting a series of questions answered from staff to the to them um so i would expect the next time

[1:20:46] Voice 10: they meet i don't want

[1:20:48] Voice 10: to promise they're they decide their own process

[1:20:49] Voice 6: august so in the early

[1:20:51] Voice 6: early september yeah august generally september i don't give their minutes okay

[1:20:56] Voice 10: thank you we'll do

[1:20:58] Voice 10: it i think i think i think it's best to stay in touch with unless you're taking the rest of the

[1:21:03] Voice 5: time but before i do uh beginning of august i will be having the conversation with the atc

[1:21:21] Voice 10: anything further related to this matter um if not i'm going to uh suggest we take a five minute

[1:21:28] Voice 10: break and come back and talk about the flexible housing project which starts at page 21 thank you

[1:21:34] Voice 10: very much or 10 minutes or whatever so uh those watching online we're just thinking 10 minutes

[1:21:44] Voice 10: and we're just going to we're just calling back to order

[1:21:52] and

[1:21:57] Voice 10: we're going to uh thank you for uh still here and those that uh continue to

[1:22:03] Voice 10: be monitoring on the live stream or watching on the recording island local trust committee

[1:22:13] meeting and we're at item 11

[1:22:16] Voice 10: .1 of the agenda which is on page 21 if you're following along

[1:22:21] Voice 10: on your own agenda package which is the uh flexible housing project which we had a

[1:22:28] Voice 10: currently having sorry earlier had a

[1:22:30] Voice 10: public hearing on i'm going to turn it over to the

[1:22:33] Voice 10: a staff report here to planner chadwick for overview next

[1:22:39] Voice 10: steps thanks

[1:22:40] Voice 8: very much okay so

[1:22:42] Voice 5: yeah so we're now in um public hearing um which means that um the bylaw uh

[1:22:50] Voice 5: so the next steps are uh consideration of second reading consideration of third reading

[1:22:56] Voice 5: forwarding of the bylaws to the executive committee and in the case of the otp amendment

[1:23:00] Voice 5: which basically supports the land planning by-law amendment.

[1:23:07] Voice 5: The OCP amendment goes to the minister for approval

[1:23:10] Voice 5: and then afterwards the by-laws will come back

[1:23:12] Voice 5: to the LTC for final adoption.

[1:23:16] Voice 5: I just wanted to point out one technical amendment

[1:23:22] Voice 5: to the by-law.

[1:23:24] Voice 5: It's very simple.

[1:23:26] Voice 5: and that is that uh so the bylaw um speaks to square footage and which

[1:23:33] Voice 10: battle oh this would

[1:23:34] Voice 5: be the land use bottle so

[1:23:36] Voice 10: that's 184

[1:23:37] Voice 5: 184 yeah thanks

[1:23:38] Voice 10: so the wet section uh

[1:23:40] Voice 5: so it's in a number

[1:23:44] Voice 5: of sections i'll i'll

[1:23:46] Voice 5: i'll identify with them what the uh proposed technical change is so in all

[1:23:52] Voice 5: instances where square footage is mentioned that to be replaced by floor area oh we have a definition

[1:24:00] Voice 5: of floor area in the land use file could

[1:24:02] Voice 10: you give me an example so i can see yes

[1:24:04] Voice 5: certainly so um

[1:24:09] Voice 5: um for example i'm

[1:24:12] Voice 10: looking at 2.7 c 2

[1:24:15] Voice 5: .7 2.7

[1:24:17] Voice 5: yeah yeah so 2.7 b i think is the first instance of it

[1:24:21] Voice 5: um it says a lot uh a lot of having an area of 0.6 hectares 1.5 acres are greater

[1:24:28] Voice 5: they're not exceeding 1.2 hectares two dwellings and a cottage are permitted if the total combined

[1:24:34] Voice 5: um square footage of all dwellings and cottages did not exceed um so the suggestion here is to uh

[1:24:41] Voice 5: is to change the word square footage to floor area and

[1:24:44] Voice 7: that's that's all the way through the

[1:24:46] Voice 7: whole document you can see anywhere where the square feet should say floor area yeah there's

[1:24:51] Voice 7: six instances

[1:24:52] Voice 5: of it and the reason

[1:24:54] Voice 5: the reason is because we have a definition of sometimes

[1:24:59] Voice 5: floor area and um and uh square footage are are used uh you know similarly um because we have a

[1:25:07] Voice 5: definition of floor area in the land use file there'll be no question um around how the the

[1:25:13] Voice 5: size is being defined. For example, you know, are you using the outsides, you know, in measuring

[1:25:20] Voice 5: the building, are you using it from the outside wall, from the outside wall, the inside wall,

[1:25:26] Voice 5: and we've got the definition of square footage is clearly defined in this.

[1:25:31] Voice 10: You mean definition of floor area is clearly defined.

[1:25:34] Voice 5: Yes, sorry, see, I'm mixing it myself. That's right, the definition of floor area is clearly

[1:25:39] Voice 5: define the values of our bylaw definitions okay

[1:25:42] Voice 10: so you you before we did anything else you'd want

[1:25:44] Voice 10: us to amend 184 to

[1:25:47] Voice 8: replace

[1:25:49] Voice 10: square footage with floor area wherever it's used yeah

[1:25:55] Voice 7: okay so so

[1:25:58] Voice 7: i would just have to how would i would just say that to be amended instead of saying

[1:26:05] Voice 7: red for the

[1:26:06] Voice 7: second time i'd say would be amended to reflect the change to poor area i

[1:26:11] Voice 5: think you need to you

[1:26:11] Voice 5: need a motion to uh amend the bylaw uh in all instances okay

[1:26:18] Voice 7: so separate motion yeah okay so

[1:26:21] Voice 7: i move that we amend bylaw one proposed bylaw 184 to reflect the change to floor area from the

[1:26:33] Voice 7: wording square feet square

[1:26:36] Voice 8: footage square footage pat

[1:26:44] Voice 10: do you have that

[1:26:45] Voice 6: well i had sort of drafted

[1:26:47] Voice 6: enough okay that the proposed bylaw 184 in all areas citing square footage be replaced by floor

[1:26:54] Voice 6: area i should have just asked okay

[1:26:56] Voice 10: so you're going to move that and the intensity okay

[1:27:00] Voice 10: uh is there any discussion related to that okay all in favor that passes you now okay all right

[1:27:08] Voice 8: So

[1:27:08] Voice 10: that means whenever you get to 184, if you're going to pass on it,

[1:27:13] Voice 7: you'll say as

[1:27:13] Voice 10: you're going to move some of these motions.

[1:27:17] Voice 7: I'll start with the first couple. I move that the main local trust committee bylaw 189 cited as main plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number one 2022 be read for the second time.

[1:27:33] Voice 10: okay is there any discussion i have one thing i just wanted to say about it i don't know if

[1:27:37] Voice 10: either of you uh and i'll just say it once and then i don't have to say it again as i note

[1:27:42] Voice 10: the the um referral response from the vaccination um there was one from the crd

[1:27:50] Voice 10: uh which basically was generally supportive the one from the vaccination was more sort of a general

[1:27:57] Voice 10: response but we didn't involve them enough in all of this and i just want to say that when we get

[1:28:02] Voice 10: to the next item on our agenda uh which is 11.2 the housing options project i just want to recall

[1:28:08] Voice 10: that commentary from my explanation and uh and maybe include that more specifically in the

[1:28:14] Voice 10: housing options project that is taken on in the future but in the meantime i'm supportive of this

[1:28:20] Voice 10: so i'll call the vote all in favor that passes unanimously i

[1:28:24] Voice 7: mean uh local trust committee bible

[1:28:26] Voice 7: 189 set it as main island official community plan bylaw number 144 2007. amendment number one 2022

[1:28:34] Voice 7: be read for the third time

[1:28:36] Voice 10: okay no discussion all the favorites passes the

[1:28:41] Voice 7: move that the main

[1:28:41] Voice 7: island local trust committee bylaw 184 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008

[1:28:49] Voice 7: amendment number two 2021 be read for the second time as amended be read for the second time

[1:28:56] Voice 7: that's

[1:28:57] Voice 10: secondary okay all in favor and

[1:28:59] Voice 7: this is my last one i move that the main island local

[1:29:02] Voice 7: trust committee bylaw 184 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number

[1:29:10] Voice 7: 2 2021 as amended be read for the third time

[1:29:13] Voice 10: second all in favor that passes unanimously

[1:29:16] Voice 10: trustee rod do you want to do that

[1:29:19] Voice 2: the main island local trust committee bylaw number 189

[1:29:21] Voice 2: said it's main island official community plan file number one four four two thousand seven

[1:29:26] Voice 2: amendment number one two thousand twenty two be forward to secondly island's trust for approval

[1:29:31] Voice 2: by executive committee second is there a second all in favor that passes unanimously go ahead

[1:29:37] Voice 2: the main island local trust committee's file number 184 said it's main island land use by

[1:29:41] Voice 2: number one four six two thousand eight the member number two two thousand twenty one

[1:29:45] before the second secretary of the island's trust for

[1:29:49] Voice 2: approval by the executive committee

[1:29:50] Voice 2: no just i read it i read that as 2000 it's written as 20 21 it should be 22. oh right

[1:30:00] Voice 2: Yeah, but

[1:30:01] Voice 10: it should say as amended as amended. Okay,

[1:30:05] Voice 10: there was a stumble there. Yeah. Okay, so that was

[1:30:10] Voice 2: moved and I heard seconded. All

[1:30:12] Voice 2: in favor that passes and there's one more.

[1:30:14] Voice 2: So the main local trust committee bylaw number 189 said it is made on the community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number one 2022 be forwarded to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs for approval.

[1:30:25] Voice 2: a

[1:30:25] Voice 7: second okay

[1:30:26] Voice 10: thank you very much you'll probably see well you will see those back here for adoption

[1:30:31] Voice 10: uh if you choose to use though in september it will move its way through the executive before then

[1:30:38] Voice 10: um so i

[1:30:40] Voice 7: just go ahead we're going

[1:30:41] Voice 7: to speak about the lapse in response but i think

[1:30:43] Voice 7: part of when we send out a referral about this um in terms of first nations throughout our area

[1:30:52] Voice 7: and understanding too we need to have more direction about i mean this is like for instance

[1:30:57] Voice 7: the affordable housing project now that very much you know perhaps there's a responsibility there

[1:31:02] Voice 7: to provide housing for first nations as a priority because i think that's what yx is saying whereas

[1:31:07] Voice 7: this proposal of course is individual private presidential views but as a general principle

[1:31:14] Voice 7: maybe we can adopt a policy somewhere in our within the uh housing options

[1:31:21] Voice 7: i think

[1:31:22] Voice 10: that's correct and i i don't want to speak for

[1:31:24] Voice 7: the applicant in relation

[1:31:25] Voice 10: to that i can tell

[1:31:26] Voice 7: you

[1:31:26] Voice 10: that the the three projects on other islands that i've been involved in all have specific

[1:31:31] Voice 10: priority for first nations um and i'm guessing we would have seen that here in the housing

[1:31:36] Voice 10: agreement as well um but uh but i think it's a broader conversation than that and actually i

[1:31:42] Voice 10: asked planner chadwick before he came before we got here today about the same thing and apparently

[1:31:47] Voice 10: Currently, there's a higher level, a different level of conversation occurring with the LACs and about what kind of engagement they would like to see on these things, because it's a general response we're getting from them and other nations, particularly them in relation to a lot of referrals.

[1:32:03] Voice 10: else um but absolutely and i think that's a good segue into um the next item which is the uh

[1:32:12] Voice 10: suggestion from the planner that's a page 31 of the agenda about another project um over to you

[1:32:21] Voice 10: planner chadwick yes thank

[1:32:23] Voice 5: you chair rogers so uh this this uh south before it is is basically

[1:32:29] Voice 5: specifically presented to the LTC as a suggestion for the next step moving forward on housing and

[1:32:39] Voice 5: I mean our meeting has been focused on on housing essentially so you know it's a big topic on Maine

[1:32:46] Voice 5: as it is on many other islands and there has been you know informal conversations about housing and

[1:32:55] Voice 5: different types of housing um all that sort of thing we've um you know we've had some sort of

[1:33:04] Voice 5: staff have had some conversations with habitat humanity for example and there's been some you

[1:33:10] Voice 5: know just other other conversations about um other options to approach it so what is being proposed

[1:33:16] Voice 5: here is that uh is that the ltc support um what what staff has termed uh housing options which

[1:33:24] Voice 5: is basically the continuation of the housing policy um uh project that was initiated i believe

[1:33:32] Voice 5: in 2019 where flexible flexible housing was the one piece that was uh kind of focused on so that

[1:33:38] Voice 5: that that project did involve um a needs assessment and uh and the identification of a number

[1:33:45] Voice 5: of options this this process would consider the work that had been done before but i i'm also

[1:33:52] Voice 5: suggesting that there be a step which would be one level higher than that which would be a strategic

[1:34:00] Voice 5: that we have a strategic planning session where to initiate the project where we can involve

[1:34:08] Voice 5: members of the CRD, the Housing Society, Improvement Districts and other

[1:34:16] Voice 5: other interested members of the public

[1:34:20] Voice 5: and other groups that may be interested.

[1:34:23] Voice 5: So identify, again, needs.

[1:34:27] Voice 5: I think that's a big piece of it, how we want to,

[1:34:29] Voice 5: how maybe there's some other ways we wanna assess need.

[1:34:32] Voice 5: What do we already know?

[1:34:34] Voice 5: What are the gaps?

[1:34:35] Voice 5: And then look at the various options

[1:34:38] Voice 5: that have been kind of,

[1:34:40] Voice 5: or I mean, a number of them have been put out today.

[1:34:42] Voice 5: day. And this process can also, and should, I would suggest, include that early engagement

[1:34:51] Voice 5: with First Nations. So the other thing I wanted to point out with respect to this is that

[1:35:00] Voice 5: there was a motion from the LTC to bring the conversations around 327 Camel Bay back to

[1:35:12] Voice 5: for discussion and um and there was also interest to bring the discussion around 797 beachwood and

[1:35:19] Voice 5: there was some consideration of that being a one sort of project uh related to rezoning and because

[1:35:25] Voice 5: there's been some sort of informal ideas around uh potential contributions of land for housing

[1:35:32] Voice 5: related to that i um i'm suggesting that that uh that we go through this process before um uh

[1:35:41] Voice 5: entering into any sort of specific discussions around particular amenity contributions related

[1:35:48] Voice 5: so that's why I kind of put it on the list as part of this project it could be it could be

[1:35:55] Voice 5: and I think what this project will probably end up being is a number of smaller projects

[1:35:59] Voice 5: related to a larger project I just

[1:36:04] Voice 7: have a question which will maybe make it more complicated but

[1:36:07] Voice 7: there are certain areas that are properties that would be ideal to have um that that there's may

[1:36:17] Voice 7: not realize that there is some perhaps potential there to create if they most people that you know

[1:36:25] Voice 7: they don't want to go through they don't want to go through reasonably so um i would urge

[1:36:30] Voice 7: an opportunity to sort of sit down and look at you know look at our map and look at the bigger

[1:36:35] Voice 7: our properties are reasonable areas where waters and perhaps target a few property owners who i'm

[1:36:42] Voice 7: sure will be very upset with us but you know to send out a letter at some point that says

[1:36:46] Voice 7: you know would you be interested in coming to an information meeting or considering because i keep

[1:36:52] Voice 7: saying the end of the day our housing problems are a community problem and there's no magic bullet

[1:36:58] Voice 7: that's going to solve them unless we each person individually provides some sort of way either

[1:37:04] Voice 7: their financial donation or land so so just

[1:37:07] Voice 7: keep that in mind there are some

[1:37:09] Voice 7: properties out there

[1:37:10] Voice 7: that we want these ones that perhaps have potential and not for small i'm not talking

[1:37:15] Voice 7: a lot but and they may not have thought about that i think

[1:37:19] Voice 7: you specifically the one at montrose

[1:37:21] Voice 7: yeah it's one of them and uh and that you know funding is provided so people can have the

[1:37:27] Voice 7: opportunities yeah yeah that doesn't get lost because main island

[1:37:35] Voice 7: has a very you know we're

[1:37:36] Voice 7: we're at build up we are at build up yeah

[1:37:40] Voice 8: and

[1:37:41] Voice 7: there's not a lot of subdivision potential is

[1:37:43] Voice 7: pretty much gone so we don't want to subdivide subdivision is really hard on landowners and the

[1:37:49] Voice 7: land building roads is not good

[1:37:52] Voice 8: yeah

[1:37:54] Voice 5: yeah i think that the process will will include the ability

[1:37:59] Voice 5: i mean i can see us using maps and identifying yeah okay

[1:38:03] Voice 5: so i

[1:38:06] Voice 10: just have a question i'm sorry

[1:38:07] Voice 10: go ahead trust me i just have a question is as so are you imagining this would like presuming

[1:38:15] Voice 10: our bylaws come back to us in september and we adopt them that's the end of the flexible housing

[1:38:19] Voice 10: project so are you imagining this will end up on our top priorities do you imagine having this

[1:38:25] Voice 10: strategic planning before the end of term

[1:38:27] Voice 5: this this would need to be one of our top priorities

[1:38:33] Voice 5: i mean i think i think we potentially have the space for it in october um uh it could it could

[1:38:41] Voice 5: i mean potentially we have to look at the timeline really what's realistic um the the bylaws uh will

[1:38:49] Voice 5: be going through we've got the the the previous one the technical update and the um uh and the

[1:38:56] Voice 5: flexible housing are going ec on august the third yeah

[1:38:59] Voice 10: one and two are basically done yeah so yeah

[1:39:02] Voice 5: i mean i think i think by you know i think we could initiate this within the next few months

[1:39:08] Voice 5: I just

[1:39:09] Voice 5: wonder what you're thinking

[1:39:10] Voice 10: is given this election coming in the middle of October.

[1:39:13] Voice 10: I

[1:39:14] Voice 5: mean, it's really up to the LTC, you know, around, around, you know, when you feel comfortable moving forward with that but I mean from a, from a work perspective, because we've got those two sort of moving, moving on.

[1:39:29] Voice 5: but we'll create some some yeah there's some time

[1:39:32] Voice 7: oh yeah because you don't want to lose staff time

[1:39:35] Voice 7: now to delay this until after an election and so

[1:39:39] Voice 7: if a new a new local trust committee really

[1:39:42] Voice 7: doesn't want to do it well good luck so can we act so i you know i think we should do it now

[1:39:49] Voice 7: because i think that both the big projects are well underway and the staff time certainly before

[1:39:55] Voice 7: the end our next meeting at the end of september there's a preliminary work here so i'm ready to

[1:40:02] Voice 7: move the motion go ahead

[1:40:03] Voice 7: i move that the main island local trust committee requests staff

[1:40:06] Voice 7: place housing options on the top priorities list once the flexible housing project is completed

[1:40:12] Voice 7: as a continuation of the main island housing regulations and policy review project

[1:40:17] Voice 10: is there a second exactly okay any further discussion and i'll just just say i assume

[1:40:23] Voice 10: I assume the two Folsom reports, and because of the people you're suggesting to be involved in the strategic planning, as the CRD is in First Nations, there were two Folsom responses, one from Alex and one from the CRD, who had a number of, I thought, pretty good ideas.

[1:40:36] Voice 8: Oh, absolutely.

[1:40:37] Voice 10: That I thought they'll all be included in that strategic planning session.

[1:40:42] Voice 10: So I'll call the vote.

[1:40:43] Voice 10: Although that passes.

[1:40:45] Voice 10: There's a second motion to be made.

[1:40:46] Voice 10: move

[1:40:46] Voice 7: that may now local trust committee direct staff to schedule a strategic planning session

[1:40:50] Voice 7: to help define the direction of the housing option project i don't think we need to put a date on it

[1:40:56] Voice 7: but perhaps at some the assumption would be probably will be out into after the election

[1:41:01] Voice 7: obviously but uh it won't be before september 20th so it can't yeah

[1:41:06] Voice 5: it wouldn't be able to be before

[1:41:06] Voice 5: september what

[1:41:07] Voice 5: i imagine is um coming back to the lcc suggestion of of uh well we'll have to do some

[1:41:14] Voice 5: conversation around who to invite make sure we get to make sure that we've got that so we'll

[1:41:18] Voice 5: get a little bit of a process before we actually get to uh schedule it and then we want to schedule

[1:41:22] Voice 5: it for a date that where we can make sure that the people we do want this

[1:41:26] Voice 10: this will make vice

[1:41:27] Voice 10: chair patrick extremely happy because she's constantly talking about the strategic this

[1:41:32] Voice 8: project

[1:41:32] Voice 10: definition phase is how you define the project is very important

[1:41:37] Voice 10: so the fact that you're planning to do that because that's effectively what you're talking

[1:41:41] Voice 10: because not only identifying the issue and the needs but then the project definition

[1:41:45] Voice 10: which is great so that's great so good for you uh so the motion on the table it's been seconded any

[1:41:53] Voice 10: further discussion if not it's called vote all in favor that passes unanimously is there anything

[1:41:57] Voice 10: else related to this from either trustee i

[1:41:59] Voice 7: just i just think it's important to note that we formed

[1:42:02] Voice 7: the housing options committee that pat was our secretary for oh 2013 or a long time ago so how

[1:42:11] Voice 1: Housing

[1:42:11] Voice 7: has always been out there in terms of my time as a trustee.

[1:42:17] Voice 7: It's always been really important.

[1:42:18] Voice 7: But housing and the environment also, the two can balance each other out.

[1:42:22] Voice 7: So what made, I've not mentioned enough about flex housing.

[1:42:26] Voice 7: Flex housing reduces your environmental, your ecological footprint because you have to build much smaller, way smaller than

[1:42:33] Voice 7: what you're about to build now.

[1:42:34] Voice 7: The important part is, and the rainwater's tied in.

[1:42:37] Voice 7: So we're not only talking about increasing housing.

[1:42:39] Voice 7: we're talking about decreasing impact on land so those two go side by side at least one doesn't get

[1:42:46] Voice 7: thrown out for the other okay

[1:42:49] Voice 10: um okay well nothing further on this there you go there's your

[1:42:55] Voice 10: direction thanks very much um so we're now speaking of the work projects we have the the next item is

[1:43:01] Voice 10: the top priority report which uh the only other one we haven't talked about is the groundwater

[1:43:07] Voice 10: water sustainability project still sitting there um it's it seems to be moving forward in slightly

[1:43:14] Voice 10: different ways on north pender and galliano we're actually having a uh community i won't call it

[1:43:21] Voice 10: it's sort of more like a community meeting to discuss it tomorrow to sort of give uh some

[1:43:27] Voice 10: outline of the thoughts um et cetera so it is whereas pender serve has taken a step back a

[1:43:33] Voice 10: little bit haven't they

[1:43:34] Voice 5: yeah yeah uh i don't think they'll move on it before the election right um

[1:43:39] Voice 5: because they've had quite a large uh lub review that they've been engaged in so

[1:43:44] Voice 5: that's taken over

[1:43:45] Voice 5: most of their focus um and i just would add that um the the presentation portion of tomorrow's

[1:43:53] Voice 5: meeting on galliano will be live streamed so if you go to the website uh galliano projects

[1:44:00] Voice 5: you'll find the link to the to the presentation, which will happen between two and three.

[1:44:10] Voice 10: Anyway, so my guess is, without knowing for sure, it will probably get further down the line this term than the North Pender one.

[1:44:19] Voice 10: Those are the two that we were waiting for to see how it played out.

[1:44:22] Voice 10: But you'll get a good idea of how it's going to play out, at least on Galliano.

[1:44:25] Voice 10: and I used the word play incorrectly but how it's going to unfold probably within after tomorrow and

[1:44:35] Voice 10: then probably after our meeting in early September as to where we're going to go with that with the

[1:44:40] Voice 10: bylaws etc etc so you'll get a sense and and then that item can be either activated or not and then

[1:44:47] Voice 10: you have a list of eight nine um uh potential projects which some of which will like number

[1:44:57] Voice 10: nine could move into the housing options and there's another housing review item here um

[1:45:04] Voice 10: and then uh there's some other ones that you that i'm guessing the next lpc whoever that might be

[1:45:10] Voice 10: uh could decide to choose or anything further from either of you related to that no

[1:45:16] Voice 10: then there's the

[1:45:17] Voice 10: applications report um which is fairly short there's only two um and so no questions related

[1:45:27] Voice 10: to that then there's the standing resolutions the uh now we're into the uh the chairs report

[1:45:36] Voice 10: um and the trustee reports so i'll just briefly say that uh um july continues to be a very busy

[1:45:47] Voice 10: month we we of course had have we had a meeting since trust council i think we did at

[1:45:53] Voice 8: the end of

[1:45:53] Voice 8: june so

[1:45:54] Voice 10: we've had a report on that the only thing i really i want to um uh advise uh a couple things

[1:46:01] Voice 10: i'll advise on and this is for the trustees etc um uh as well i don't know the outcome but the

[1:46:09] Voice 10: director of planning uh hiring is is almost finished um my understanding is there might

[1:46:15] Voice 10: be an announcement this week as to who the successful candidate is i don't i i'm not on

[1:46:19] Voice 10: the hiring committee uh so i don't know the answer to that question um and there are other hirings

[1:46:26] Voice 10: going on as well mostly in the planning staff because salt spring has particularly had a number

[1:46:32] Voice 10: of planners leave over the last few months and so they've been trying to to work their way through

[1:46:39] Voice 10: that the other thing i wanted to say is i sit on the um from trust count paul sorry trust council

[1:46:46] Voice 10: referred the uh the trust policy statement uh work to the trust programs committee and on july the 8th

[1:46:54] Voice 10: um the trust programs committee met in most of us in person in the nine although there were

[1:47:01] Voice 10: three online as well and we had a full day go through uh of the uh the trust policy statement

[1:47:09] Voice 10: there were some um substantive suggested amendments to the trust policy statement uh including um

[1:47:20] Voice 10: removal of the uh request for the tree credit authority that's a recommendation trust council

[1:47:27] Voice 10: um uh there was a recommendation related to docs and i've forgotten what it is specifically so i

[1:47:35] Voice 10: i don't want to say in case i get it wrong i'm trying to get the brain sort of going through

[1:47:41] Voice 10: the various motions that were passed but we went through the various issues and walked our way

[1:47:45] Voice 10: through all of those various issues that have been the ones that were identified in the public

[1:47:51] Voice 10: process engagement process and the first nations process and the regional district because there

[1:47:56] Voice 10: is a very extensive um uh well you could go to the big document which is all the responses or

[1:48:04] Voice 10: you can go to the um to this the report from the consultants which is a medium-sized document like

[1:48:11] Voice 10: it's only about 160 pages but it summarizes or you can go to the staff report which does it all in

[1:48:16] Voice 10: about six um i recommend the staff report and uh but it uh it identifies the various issues that

[1:48:25] Voice 10: are were the ones that kept cropping up over and over and over again and not surprisingly they were

[1:48:30] Voice 10: docks and foreshores and well

[1:48:31] Voice 7: then the farm agricultural

[1:48:33] Voice 10: and all those in the end and the

[1:48:36] Voice 10: committee made a series of recommendations both either for more work from staff or specific

[1:48:41] Voice 10: recommendations to trust council and we're meeting again in august the 29th to see what the staff

[1:48:50] Voice 10: report comes back to do with that and there will be a report i think it became clear that there's

[1:48:55] Voice 10: not the recommendation is going to be very clear from staff not to try and get to first reading

[1:49:00] Voice 10: so um i think i think there was a lot of energy still to try and get that first reading but i

[1:49:08] Voice 10: don't it doesn't feel like it's going to be ready because a lot of the discussion is around how to

[1:49:14] Voice 10: reformat the trust policy statement because we've had a lot of feedback that it's too complicated

[1:49:19] Voice 10: I was the only person who sort of said, I'm used to reading those kind of documents.

[1:49:29] Voice 10: Anyway, so that's my report. There's everything's carrying on. Just for the everybody watching,

[1:49:36] Voice 10: the trust tends to go into a bit of slumber for a few weeks. I don't use that word. There's still

[1:49:42] Voice 10: work going on that people most of the people try to book their vacation, most LTC shut down,

[1:49:47] Voice 10: Now, all LTCs shut down most of their meetings in August, much like every municipal government.

[1:49:54] Voice 10: It's just that's the time that we sort of everybody sort of goes time for a little vacation.

[1:49:59] Voice 10: So I have an executive committee meeting on August the 3rd, which will deal with some of these.

[1:50:04] Voice 10: And then I don't have another meeting until near the end of August.

[1:50:07] Voice 10: So that's and that's to be the standard across the process.

[1:50:09] Voice 10: So if you have a little delay getting an answer from anybody, that's why.

[1:50:15] Voice 10: Trustees, who would like to go first?

[1:50:16] Voice 10: Okay, I'll

[1:50:17] Voice 7: just mention the Fallow Deer Committee, which I got roped into, what, nine years ago?

[1:50:23] Voice 7: So earlier that year, that was 2013.

[1:50:27] Voice 7: Anyway, so we've had this sort of ad hoc Fallow Deer Committee that Peter got into, just being two of us, Marilyn Winterbottom, thank goodness, and myself.

[1:50:35] Voice 7: And over when COVID happened and most of our members had either moved away or left, it didn't go very far, we didn't do much.

[1:50:42] Voice 7: but it got sort of restarted this spring when I asked a resident of Bennett Bay would he like to

[1:50:49] Voice 7: join our committee of two we originally were a committee of about seven but people left the

[1:50:55] Voice 7: committee it got very frustrating and some moved away so we are now a committee of three Gary

[1:50:59] Voice 7: Caroline who is a retired lawyer and Marilyn Winterbottom and myself and we decided to

[1:51:06] Voice 7: organize a meeting and so we invited all kinds of interesting people all of whom responded

[1:51:12] Voice 7: it so i just want to read you the list of the people so we had a zoom meeting we had the

[1:51:16] Voice 7: representative main island conservancy we had the island parks commission we had a crd

[1:51:21] Voice 7: representative the local one we had a representative from the terrestrial invasive

[1:51:27] Voice 7: fauna specialist ministry of land water and resource stewardship we had stephen henderson

[1:51:32] Voice 7: from the crd we have kate emmings island's trust conservancy we found jeff whiteman who used to be

[1:51:38] Voice 7: our CRD person has now snuck off to Ministry of Agriculture. We had Jay Rees, who is assistant to

[1:51:45] Voice 7: MLA Adam Olson. We had Michael Jensen for Parks Canada, Stephanie Coulson, Parks Canada, and

[1:51:51] Voice 7: Shelley Marshall for Wildlife was the only person who chose not to participate because she's the

[1:51:56] Voice 7: lady in charge of permits and guns. But it was a good meeting, lots of conversation. It was a Zoom

[1:52:03] Voice 7: meeting. We kept it to an hour. Pat took minutes. If anyone wants to see them, I'm happy to share

[1:52:08] Voice 7: them with you we are going to meet now in person with adam olson because he couldn't be at our

[1:52:12] Voice 7: meeting the reality behind the fallow deer is the ministry of agriculture screwed us dumped us them

[1:52:19] Voice 7: on us no one within the government is willing to take full-time responsibility we were told in the

[1:52:25] Voice 7: meeting that we need a we need a leader we need money we need maryland gary and i us individuals

[1:52:31] Voice 7: individuals. So we're hoping through Adam, the government itself needs to provide funding,

[1:52:37] Voice 7: the government itself needs to provide manpower, government needs to step up. And as Dave said to

[1:52:43] Voice 7: me, say, I'm sorry. I'll leave my

[1:52:46] Voice 7: ranch about fallow deer, but we talk about, you know,

[1:52:48] Voice 7: environment on Maine Island, and I've been here for 16 years. So believe me,

[1:52:53] Voice 7: looks nothing like it did when I came, meaning there's no understory. So the fallow deer are

[1:52:58] Voice 7: real problem that we're starting to get and the mainland conservancy had already formed a

[1:53:02] Voice 7: committee so their part they've taken on into our committee and we're going to work obviously as a

[1:53:09] Voice 7: team anybody on right now that's interested so it's that and then on saturday i was invited my

[1:53:15] Voice 7: husband was actually invited to the 20th anniversary of the japanese gardens because he

[1:53:20] Voice 7: had provided a lot of the material that's in the gardens dirt rocks gravel um so they had a luncheon

[1:53:27] Voice 7: for the volunteers who built japanese gardens 20 years ago and if no one knows what they looked

[1:53:33] Voice 7: like 20 years ago there is a binder at the library with the pictures it was a big mud hole period 20

[1:53:38] Voice 7: years ago so it was really nice it was the park's mission or the japanese garden volunteers so it

[1:53:43] Voice 7: was a lovely lunch and a lot of old-timers came from albania that had moved away and

[1:53:48] Voice 7: i was delighted to be there on behalf of my husband

[1:53:52] Voice 7: been too keen on going to lunch today of course we had the quilt show on the saturday in the gardens

[1:53:58] Voice 7: and then the art display on the sunday and it's just phenomenal and it does my heart so much good

[1:54:02] Voice 7: to see that what started 20 years ago is able to continue on with all the new people that come in

[1:54:09] Voice 7: and help it's a lot of physical work so our japanese gardens are absolutely amazing sight

[1:54:15] Voice 7: well used well loved and i would say delighted to be part of that luncheon so anybody who's new and

[1:54:21] Voice 7: hasn't seen the pictures and i think they're in the museum too yeah there's two binders yeah

[1:54:26] Voice 7: because alan allen and gene were there yeah so just wanted to say that it's very exciting trusty

[1:54:32] Voice 2: mom yeah i'll just follow up on that apparently the cult show is everybody says it's the best

[1:54:37] Voice 2: one they've ever had by the nature certainly cooperated with that um there's a lot of time

[1:54:42] Voice 2: a lot of effort and with all the people moving off the island everybody said oh well maybe it's just

[1:54:48] Voice 2: going to die off and apparently this one was the biggest and best ever so it's kind of nice to see

[1:54:53] Voice 2: new people coming on the island and sort of getting involved in these sort of community

[1:54:57] Voice 2: conditions um the only other thing i can say is you know as janine can well testify is we've been

[1:55:03] Voice 2: struggling with fairies it's the last month it's just been

[1:55:07] Voice 7: brutal

[1:55:09] Voice 2: the only thing i will say is

[1:55:11] Voice 2: we're luckier than salt spring we we haven't had cancellations but uh the overloads the the the

[1:55:17] Voice 2: latest of various is 60 90 minute late ferries is not uncommon and it's killing us is that there are

[1:55:26] Voice 2: businesses on the island such as the bistro and that that are they're dying it's just that you

[1:55:31] Voice 2: know when you go over victoria and and you're running a restaurant you've got a couple coolers

[1:55:36] Voice 2: in the back to bring back fresh seafood ferry overloads you have to sit there for six hours

[1:55:41] Voice 2: in the sun that's what kills businesses and hopefully bc ferries are on their way to

[1:55:49] Voice 2: giving us the large ferry that's tied up right now and they can't crew because

[1:55:54] Voice 2: we can't survive in a summer like this so i'll leave it at that

[1:55:58] Voice 10: okay uh thanks for your updates

[1:56:03] Voice 10: It's there's a Islands Trust Conservancy report from May of 2022 here, page 42, mostly a business item.

[1:56:14] Voice 10: There's also just just two things I want to say. One is with the Conservancy, they put out a magazine called The Heron.

[1:56:20] Voice 10: And if you get a chance to look at it, it is actually quite it's quite different than this business report.

[1:56:26] Voice 10: report it's a description of their various projects and it's quite a lovely um publication

[1:56:31] Voice 10: that they put out three or four times a year and tells the various places that it talks about

[1:56:37] Voice 10: there's also um uh a reference in this staff report about the getting of the letter related

[1:56:44] Voice 10: to fallow deer here uh and and uh it does say that they passed a resolution encouraging trust

[1:56:52] Voice 10: Trust Council strongly advocate the province for implementation

[1:56:56] Voice 10: of sustained evidence-based solutions to fallow deer populations.

[1:56:59] Voice 10: So it was on their agenda as well.

[1:57:02] Voice 10: So back to the Trust Council.

[1:57:04] Voice 10: There you go.

[1:57:05] Voice 10: The other thing I wanted to say is I find that the Conservancy

[1:57:09] Voice 10: is unfortunately often doesn't get a high enough profile

[1:57:12] Voice 10: at the local trust committees.

[1:57:15] Voice 10: We had our annual meeting with the Conservancy.

[1:57:18] Voice 10: I'd say we, the executive committee, a week and a half ago,

[1:57:23] Voice 10: i've lost track of time the date but uh i reiterated my suggestion to them which i make

[1:57:29] Voice 10: every time we have a meet that they come to the local trust committees once a term or at least i

[1:57:34] Voice 10: said once a year they said you mean once a term and i said no once a year so we started talking

[1:57:39] Voice 10: twice a term perhaps come and talk about the conservancy be a delegation uh to a local trust

[1:57:45] Voice 10: committee so that the community can see the work that they're doing on main island or on salt

[1:57:50] Voice 10: spring or on galliano because they're doing quite a bit that's the end of our agenda is there any

[1:57:57] Voice 10: other new business from either trustee then the last item on our agenda other than to announce

[1:58:02] Voice 10: that our next regular scheduled meeting is uh september the 26th 2022 here um i expect it'll

[1:58:10] Voice 10: be a little cooler um and is that we'll have a uh the second town hall so this is an opportunity

[1:58:18] Voice 10: opportunity once again to speak to your trustees please be appropriate in your language and speak

[1:58:23] Voice 10: to issues and not personalities uh who would like to speak to us there you go that makes it easy

[1:58:33] Voice 10: nobody's going to talk to us then we don't have a closed meeting so I'll call for an

[1:58:38] Voice 10: adjournment and suggest that everybody can go find somewhere cool to spend the afternoon

[1:58:42] Voice 10: yeah a swim a glass of cold water a

[1:58:48] Voice 10: beer perhaps thanks very much for attending everyone all those

[1:58:52] Voice 10: online uh thank you first uh we'll have a wonderful rest of your summer and uh we'll see you in