Islands Trust Council community information meeting, August 11, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 3: thank you everyone apologize for the delays trustees are are we ready to go

[0:00:11] Voice 3: good morning i think it's still morning seems like a very long day

[0:00:19] Voice 3: uh already um i'd like to open this uh meeting of the local trust committee i always begin with

[0:00:27] Voice 3: acknowledging how fortunate we are to be able to meet on the traditional territories of the

[0:00:32] Voice 3: the Coast Salish people, and as you know,

[0:00:35] Voice 3: as a Stais Island, working on my pronunciation,

[0:00:42] Voice 3: I always encourage you, I mean,

[0:00:46] Voice 3: is to take the time to learn about the importance

[0:00:49] Voice 3: of this area to the WSEN people

[0:00:53] Voice 3: and learn the truth of what happened

[0:00:56] Voice 3: when colonizers did arrive in these parts of the world,

[0:00:59] Voice 3: but learn about the islands as I know,

[0:01:02] Voice 3: I'm sure you're interested. Take the time, be interested. And this is part of our journey on

[0:01:07] Voice 3: reconciliation. It begins with each of us to be intrigued and interested in this place that we

[0:01:14] Voice 3: are. Trustees, so this meeting is being live streamed and recorded, we hope.

[0:01:28] Voice 3: I'm Laura Patrick. I'm elected on Salt Spring Island and the chair of this local trust committee.

[0:01:32] Voice 3: I'm joined today by Trustee Deb Morrison, Trustee Ben McConkey, and together we make

[0:01:38] Voice 3: up your North Tender Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:40] Voice 3: This is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about local land

[0:01:45] Voice 3: use planning matters and to discuss relevant business.

[0:01:49] Voice 3: Despite the fact that some of our employees may be coming from their own home for joining

[0:01:53] Voice 3: us virtually today, this is a place of employment and they have the right to a safe and respectful

[0:01:59] Voice 3: for Workplace. As we are trying to live stream, for those of you that are joining us or listening

[0:02:06] Voice 3: in virtually, I apologize for we may be having difficulties today, but we are recording the

[0:02:11] Voice 3: recording of this today, and it'll be available later. All right. So we have a number of staff

[0:02:25] Voice 3: staff that are with us today. We have a Phil Testamon, a planner. We have Robin Elchuk,

[0:02:31] Voice 3: who will be recording this meeting today. And we have Kim Stockdale, who's normally here,

[0:02:37] Voice 3: is joining us virtually. So we see her and we hope to hear her on the phone. Thank you.

[0:02:42] Voice 3: A bit awkward, but we wish her well and wish she was here with us today. Trustees, we have

[0:02:50] Voice 3: an agenda before us are there any changes or corrections i just

[0:02:55] Trustee McConchie: wanted to add something

[0:02:56] Trustee McConchie: the chair patrick uh under delegations in the agenda there's nothing there and i know that

[0:03:00] Trustee McConchie: mike and anne wanted to speak as a delegation today or is that not

[0:03:04] Voice 5: during town hall instead

[0:03:06] Trustee McConchie: okay and then we also have um folks from the uh bay uh welcome bay area that are here and they

[0:03:13] Trustee McConchie: were i was wondering if they wanted to speak as a delegation or did they want to speak during

[0:03:17] Trustee McConchie: the town hall well

[0:03:18] Voice 17: it really is a matter of timing events so if there's not a number of matters for

[0:03:22] Voice 17: the town hall we could certainly address it at that time people are here i don't know how long

[0:03:26] Voice 17: people everybody can stay we're concerned with the matter so yeah

[0:03:29] Trustee McConchie: i guess procedurally like what is

[0:03:31] Trustee McConchie: the difference between delegation and a town hall comment not

[0:03:34] Voice 3: very much it's just a dedicated period

[0:03:36] Voice 3: where we give you more time but i mean generally i try to run the town hall liberally and with

[0:03:42] Voice 3: with respect of the little trustees so we can just call it one event and time that you need to

[0:03:47] Voice 3: address us today when would it occur soon very soon i'm

[0:03:53] Trustee McConchie: going to keep you here for three hours

[0:03:55] Trustee McConchie: in just a few minutes

[0:03:56] Voice 3: uh the

[0:03:58] Trustee McConchie: other question i had with regards to um section uh sorry 13

[0:04:06] Trustee McConchie: section 13 which is the north pender island a north pender

[0:04:09] Trustee McConchie: atlantis pilot working project

[0:04:11] Trustee McConchie: and the staff report do you guys want to go through all of the recommendations of the staff

[0:04:15] Trustee McConchie: kind of want it because they they have a bunch of wordings so just before so i have an idea of how

[0:04:20] Trustee McConchie: we're going to discuss yeah

[0:04:21] Voice 12: i was going to have that conversation with you with that okay great

[0:04:23] Trustee McConchie: awesome agreement

[0:04:24] Voice 12: on how you want to run that part okay thank

[0:04:27] Voice 3: you so that sounds good so we'll deal

[0:04:29] Voice 3: with it that way so there's no changes to the agenda uh can we approve it through general

[0:04:34] Voice 3: consent excellent so now this is our time for reports and trustee reports who'd like to go first

[0:04:40] Voice 3: go

[0:04:40] Trustee McConchie: ahead okay i'll go right away uh okay so i'll try to be brief in my comments i want to thank

[0:04:45] Trustee McConchie: you everyone for being here today uh and taking the time out of their their busy lives um pender

[0:04:50] Trustee McConchie: in the summer time to come and address the local trust committee i want to start by thanking my

[0:04:54] Trustee McConchie: co-trustees um chair patrick and uh trustee morrison for uh three and a three and three

[0:05:00] Trustee McConchie: quarters of a very very challenging term for trustees um we've had lots of great discussion

[0:05:07] Trustee McConchie: and long, substantive debate.

[0:05:09] Trustee McConchie: And I just want to recognize as the election comes up

[0:05:12] Trustee McConchie: on October 15th, anybody that steps up

[0:05:15] Trustee McConchie: to this particular position has my respect

[0:05:18] Trustee McConchie: and anybody that runs or considers running

[0:05:21] Trustee McConchie: is truly doing an honourable thing for our community.

[0:05:24] Trustee McConchie: So I just wanted to thank Trustee Morrison

[0:05:25] Trustee McConchie: and Chair Patrick for their dedication.

[0:05:28] Trustee McConchie: With regards to me, I spoke with the CBC News

[0:05:31] Trustee McConchie: regarding the non-renewal of CEO of BC Ferries, Mark Collins.

[0:05:35] Trustee McConchie: I spoke about the important economic needs of the ferry systems work, and then I also reiterated on CBC News to, you know, let the ferries know that this gives a potential reset for our community.

[0:05:45] Trustee McConchie: So they have a chance to really consult with us on a grassroots level, which Mark Collins did at one point.

[0:05:50] Trustee McConchie: So I'm looking forward to more discussion about that.

[0:05:54] Trustee McConchie: There were two community information meetings in July that were held virtually.

[0:05:58] Trustee McConchie: and I want to thank Planner Stockdale for giving a very comprehensive discussions and debates about

[0:06:03] Trustee McConchie: the land use bylaw project. I was fortunate to chair one of those meetings and we heard from

[0:06:09] Trustee McConchie: a variety of islanders regarding issues in the community. I listened intently to the discussions

[0:06:14] Trustee McConchie: on South Pender. South Pender had a meeting here last month. It was very interesting. I admired

[0:06:19] Trustee McConchie: the stability of tone and the calmness of the discussion which is a lot different than Facebook

[0:06:23] Trustee McConchie: And there were some very well-prepared speeches, and I just wanted to mention that South Bender is doing a really great job of trying to consult with the community over very challenging issues.

[0:06:33] Trustee McConchie: I also listened intently to the public hearing proceedings on Galliano. Galliano just underwent a very challenging discussion with regards to affordable housing.

[0:06:41] Trustee McConchie: A section of forested land was proposed to be rezoned to affordable community housing.

[0:06:47] Trustee McConchie: It's kind of the first of its kind in the Islands Trust, as far as I'm concerned, in

[0:06:51] Trustee McConchie: a recent application setting, so it was very interesting to see that law pass and to hear,

[0:06:57] Trustee McConchie: again, the Galliano community in a very civil way just talk to each other and share opinions.

[0:07:01] Trustee McConchie: I met with elected representatives informally in the Comox Regional District to discuss

[0:07:05] Trustee McConchie: broader governance issues.

[0:07:07] Trustee McConchie: And lastly, I'll just make a political comment as we end the near end of our term.

[0:07:12] Trustee McConchie: I just want to mention that in order to improve the Islands Trust, governance review and findings need to be followed through.

[0:07:19] Trustee McConchie: So future trustees need to continue to work with the governance community that's just been created by Trust Council.

[0:07:26] Trustee McConchie: And I hope that work is comprehensive.

[0:07:28] Trustee McConchie: In my opinion, the definitions of the mandate still need to be narrowed and the amount of elected representatives in our islands need to be reduced.

[0:07:38] Trustee McConchie: application fees need to be reduced and the regional and provincial governments need to

[0:07:42] Trustee McConchie: step up to the plate to assist islanders and determine their own destiny for the future

[0:07:45] Trustee McConchie: of governance in the islands here and with that i'll hand it over to trustee morrison

[0:07:48] Trustee McConchie: thanks for listening so

[0:07:52] Voice 7: yeah i reiterate that thanks to everybody for um running on her

[0:07:57] Voice 7: project it's just been a huge effort um the community information meetings i've been

[0:08:07] Voice 7: been traveling extensively this last five months and like being able to sort of be at meetings in

[0:08:13] Voice 7: between commitments internationally but I'm really excited about the work and how it's moving even

[0:08:20] Voice 7: though we don't have it quite refined yet and there's things we're working to make sure that we

[0:08:24] Voice 7: listen and incorporate the feedback we're getting folks should understand I think that as we get

[0:08:30] Voice 7: to hear on Northland or to the land use bylaw,

[0:08:34] Voice 7: whatever goes forward with that,

[0:08:36] Voice 7: that there are sometimes competing

[0:08:40] Voice 7: like opposite directions that are coming in.

[0:08:43] Voice 7: So while we're listening to all of the feedback

[0:08:46] Voice 7: and synthesizing it,

[0:08:48] Voice 7: it doesn't necessarily mean

[0:08:49] Voice 7: that we can address every person's concern

[0:08:51] Voice 7: because there's concerns sometimes.

[0:08:54] Voice 7: So we're trying to make the best decisions

[0:08:55] Voice 7: and I'm really appreciative of the thought

[0:08:57] Voice 7: that's gone into that

[0:08:57] Voice 7: and the time that's been spent on that.

[0:09:00] Voice 7: In terms of the trust council level work, I am chair of the Trust Programs Committee, which many of you know, that work has been somewhat stalled for the last year from my perspective as we go through a whole extensive public engagement process, which is good.

[0:09:24] Voice 7: The public engagement process I think has been really helpful, but it does mean that like how we're moving forward on what draft is huge network.

[0:09:34] Voice 7: And so there was meetings over the summer that we used to try and make some recommendations to the Trust Council in September about what are the next steps on that.

[0:09:43] Voice 7: So I've been pretty heavily involved with that work.

[0:09:46] Voice 7: I also want to kind of name that being chair of the Trust Programs Committee doesn't mean that the Islands Trust Policy Statement is mine.

[0:09:54] Voice 7: Right. I'm a chair. Chair means I listen to all the different people and I try to get the work movement forward.

[0:10:00] Voice 7: It doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with everything.

[0:10:04] Voice 7: So people have mapped the audience response statement to me sometimes.

[0:10:08] Voice 7: That's not actually how chairs work. They're doing their job right.

[0:10:12] Voice 7: So I just want to make that clear.

[0:10:15] Voice 7: So feedback that people have, please do continue to give that in.

[0:10:20] Voice 7: That's very helpful.

[0:10:21] Voice 7: I do want to maybe you can confirm this when you get to your chair report or like discussion but my understanding is there is a community information meeting this Saturday from 11 to three here at the hall around the land use bylaw project.

[0:10:36] Voice 7: So really, I'm happy to actually be here for that meeting so I'm excited about that.

[0:10:43] Voice 7: um and maybe just one comment on a personal level about elections and candidates i do want to

[0:10:53] Voice 7: encourage people to run regardless if myself or ben run again or the trustees on south pender run

[0:10:59] Voice 7: again more candidates makes for a better democratic process so it's really helpful for people to put

[0:11:06] Voice 7: their name forward to come and talk to us if you have questions about what the work is like and

[0:11:10] Voice 7: have to do that we really encourage candidates to run you do not need to agree with us to do that

[0:11:17] Voice 7: and to have those conversations i don't mind disagreeing so if you have any questions about

[0:11:26] Voice 7: what that role is please come to me um the best way is just to text me frankly um and then the

[0:11:34] Voice 7: last thing is people have asked me about why i'm traveling so much so um i i would like to just

[0:11:40] Voice 7: name. So I am heavily involved in the United Nations level climate change work and have been

[0:11:47] Voice 7: at various meetings and it was just appointed actually by the United Nations to be an expert

[0:11:53] Voice 7: for action for climate empowerment. So how to mobilize people around climate empowerment.

[0:11:57] Voice 7: So that's a great honor and it's a great work but it is sometimes like competing. So I resigned my

[0:12:04] Voice 7: position at the University of Washington to be able to meet the capacity and not give up the

[0:12:07] Voice 7: work here. So hopefully, that all works out. Thank you very

[0:12:14] Voice 7: much for the opportunity to be here.

[0:12:18] Voice 3: It is an honor. I know you only see us when we sit up here in

[0:12:23] Voice 3: front of you. But I know both these trustees have been

[0:12:27] Voice 3: incredibly respectful about listening and understanding what

[0:12:31] Voice 3: is being said in the community and trying to make good balanced

[0:12:35] Voice 3: decisions and i'm incredibly impressed and while you do travel a lot i haven't felt that you have

[0:12:40] Voice 3: made yourself available and uh and i know you've watched the the the tapes that are here and are

[0:12:47] Voice 3: absolutely involved in the decisions of 100 more than 100 that's possible um the trust council

[0:12:57] Voice 3: will be meeting one more time here in september i'm sorry i don't have the dates in front of me

[0:13:01] Voice 3: it's the week of the 20 somethings um so be paying attention to that it always seems to come up 29th

[0:13:08] Voice 3: late into the september uh if anyone wishes to be representing a delegation it's approximately

[0:13:15] Voice 3: three weeks before that you have to have it in so pay attention to the deadlines all that

[0:13:18] Voice 3: information is available on the website or ask one of us and we'll make sure that i can get you

[0:13:23] Voice 3: the information and

[0:13:24] Voice 7: that would be the last meeting of this

[0:13:26] Voice 3: term of this of this term that's our last

[0:13:29] Voice 3: trust council meeting um and oh the ltc oh the ltc is september 29th yeah okay no i meant the

[0:13:36] Voice 3: trust council meeting

[0:13:37] Voice 3: yeah trust council i think is the week of the 20th um and that's the trust

[0:13:43] Voice 3: council's last meeting too um i the governance committee did get started i was one of the seven

[0:13:50] Voice 3: that got um elected amongst the 26 to be on the governance committee so we've had our very first

[0:13:56] Voice 3: meeting i thought it went well we'll have a second meeting on september 1st i think or second one of

[0:14:04] Voice 3: those three dates again it'll be available you can live stream or watch the recording um and i know

[0:14:10] Voice 3: the group uh i thought we got you know we focused in quite quickly and we're trying to work on

[0:14:16] Voice 3: issues of highest importance that will set the term off and that is as good a footing as possible

[0:14:22] Voice 3: for the work that needs to be done.

[0:14:24] Voice 3: There is a lot of work that does need to be done.

[0:14:27] Voice 3: And I think it is important to get interested.

[0:14:29] Voice 3: This is a good time to be watching

[0:14:32] Voice 3: what's going on at the Island's Trust.

[0:14:34] Voice 3: I absolutely believe the Island's Trust

[0:14:36] Voice 3: could and should be the best

[0:14:41] Voice 3: coastal rural island planning organization in the world.

[0:14:45] Voice 3: I have no doubt it could be and should be.

[0:14:48] Voice 3: And I think everyone agrees.

[0:14:51] Voice 3: So it's, you know, how do we get there?

[0:14:54] Voice 3: The world is full of complex, challenging issues.

[0:14:57] Voice 3: And I thank you for doing the work at the UN.

[0:15:00] Voice 3: How do we deal with it here on our islands?

[0:15:02] Voice 3: How do we deal with it well?

[0:15:03] Voice 3: How do we deal with it together as a community?

[0:15:08] Voice 3: And you're right, the world is so polarized right now.

[0:15:12] Voice 3: And that doesn't help us get down to the business

[0:15:17] Voice 3: of making our homes work for us

[0:15:22] Voice 3: and those that are still coming in the future.

[0:15:26] Voice 3: So that's really my report.

[0:15:29] Voice 3: And with that, this is now your turn to speak to us.

[0:15:33] Voice 3: And I know we have a couple of groups here

[0:15:35] Voice 3: that would like to be giving a little bit more

[0:15:37] Voice 3: of a delegation style talk.

[0:15:40] Voice 3: We'll be very respectful to the time

[0:15:44] Voice 3: that you need to do that.

[0:15:46] Voice 3: and I ask everyone as you speak, you know, just to be aware and try to be concise. I will not run

[0:15:53] Voice 3: a clock, but if you're wrapping, I might ask you to wrap up your talk. As always, I know you'll

[0:16:04] Voice 3: be respectful. Please direct your comments to the three of us, not to staff, but to us. We're not

[0:16:12] Voice 3: here to be into a dialogue uh we may choose to answer questions or ask you clarity of what you're

[0:16:17] Voice 3: presenting to us um and we may address some of the issues that we hear later in the agenda if it's

[0:16:23] Voice 3: relevant uh there is one applicant on the agenda today that applicant will have the opportunity

[0:16:28] Voice 3: to speak to us during the time we consider your application uh in in detail and with that uh

[0:16:35] Voice 3: i know we have two groups that want to go as delegations and the um i see ann in the back

[0:16:40] Voice 3: is and if you want to go first that would be great do

[0:16:43] Voice 19: we need a mic or do they it should

[0:16:45] Voice 3: pick up but

[0:16:46] Voice 3: you might want to come just forward a bit so that the mic um

[0:16:51] Voice 9: can make like a speaker's chair or something the

[0:16:53] Voice 3: speaker's chair yeah you don't have to stand up

[0:16:59] Voice 3: that's perfect

[0:16:59] Voice 4: thank you

[0:17:08] Trustee McConchie: uh

[0:17:08] Voice 2: good morning trustees staff and fellow community members thank you for the opportunity

[0:17:13] Voice 2: to speak today recently staff made us aware of an apparent zoning irregularity with our industrial

[0:17:20] Voice 2: zoning off hamilton road when we started constructing an 8x8 square foot utility building

[0:17:26] Voice 2: to bring power into this property area please note that this site has always had electricity

[0:17:32] Voice 2: city. It was awkwardly coming from the other side of the property via Pecos Road into the old Hugh

[0:17:39] Voice 2: Hamilton farmhouse across to the industrial area. When the previous owner subdivided the property,

[0:17:46] Voice 2: no aerial easements were registered with BC Hydro and somehow without proving water, new owners

[0:17:52] Voice 2: asked for the removal of the hydro pool and lines. This situation made it necessary for us to bring

[0:18:00] Voice 2: a new power service that seemed to come naturally from hamilton road staff now advises our industrial

[0:18:05] Voice 2: property is zoned for both storage only we are not

[0:18:09] Voice 2: allowed accessory uses buildings or structures

[0:18:13] Voice 2: due to the word only north pender land use by law 3.1 permitted in all zones uses buildings

[0:18:23] Voice 2: and structures which are accessory to a principal permitted use building or structure on the same

[0:18:29] Voice 2: lot including accessory horticulture this section implies that we are able to have an accessory

[0:18:36] Voice 2: building in addition the industrial zone is in a development permit area north pender official

[0:18:42] Voice 2: community plan 5.2.10.6 development permit area exemptions the following activities are exempt

[0:18:51] Voice 2: from any requirement for development permit e new construction not requiring a crd building permit

[0:18:59] Voice 2: with the exception of structures over the water or foreshore, new landscaping, new roads and paved driveways and new parking areas.

[0:19:07] Voice 2: This section implies that the 8x8 utility shed does not require a development permit.

[0:19:13] Voice 2: Please note that every industrial zone property currently has site-specific designations with the word only inserted into their regulations.

[0:19:22] Voice 2: In our case, the word only is being used very subjectively by staff of what is or is not an accessory to a particular use and allows for bylaw enforcement.

[0:19:33] Voice 2: All industrial operators are getting something accessory to their site-specific uses, and we believe the bylaw should be applied equitably.

[0:19:42] Voice 2: It makes one question why someone in Magic Lake Estates can rent a mechanic's garage from their home as a home-based business,

[0:19:50] Voice 2: yet someone operating on an industrial property cannot work on their industrial machinery.

[0:19:55] Voice 2: Would the trustees or staff please explain the rationale for excluding the industrial operators from accessory uses?

[0:20:03] Voice 2: Suppose a boat owner on Pender pulls his boat out of the water at one of our local boat ramps and hauls at home.

[0:20:09] Voice 2: In that case, they can pressure wash it clean, paint the bottom, work on their outboard and

[0:20:14] Voice 2: inboard, plug in a heater or light to prevent mildew, put a shelter over it, and store it

[0:20:18] Voice 2: in their yard without screening from the neighbors.

[0:20:21] Voice 1: They

[0:20:21] Voice 2: probably take the life jackets, electronics, and other valuable items and store them in

[0:20:26] Voice 2: a shed or basement.

[0:20:28] Voice 2: People who don't haul their boats out for the winter, whose vessels remain in the water,

[0:20:32] Voice 2: also do annual maintenance.

[0:20:34] Voice 2: These activities can include tune-ups, oil changes, tarping, divers cleaning the bottom,

[0:20:39] Voice 2: or having them scraped on two of Pender Tidal Grids, both within proximity to Eelgrass.

[0:20:46] Voice 2: Additionally, all these services are currently provided outside at the Driftwood Centre Garage

[0:20:52] Voice 2: with any runoff flowing directly to our ALR.

[0:20:56] Voice 2: It is only logical that an industrially zoned property, site-specific for boat storage, is allowed to do the same.

[0:21:04] Voice 2: We look forward to the opportunity of providing these services

[0:21:07] Voice 2: services according to the BC's best management practices for boatyards and arenas.

[0:21:11] Voice 2: These best management practices support the reserve and project mandate of the Islands

[0:21:16] Voice 2: Trust Area.

[0:21:17] Voice 2: We request that the trustees clarify that the word only applies to all industrial operators

[0:21:23] Voice 2: equally and that accessory uses buildings and structures be applied objectively.

[0:21:29] Voice 2: Secondly, with respect to the proposed industrial section of bylaw 224 subsection 5.10 I has

[0:21:37] Voice 2: a specific subsection for accessory use accessory uses buildings and structures 5.10 general

[0:21:44] Voice 2: industrial zones a zone permitted uses the following uses are permitted subject to the

[0:21:50] Voice 2: regulations set out in this section in the general regulations and all other uses are prohibited

[0:21:56] Voice 2: a contractor yard b manufacturing c wholesale and retail sales of building gardening

[0:22:03] Voice 2: landscaping materials and supplies, D, auto body repair, E, indoor storage, F, storage of motor vehicles, recreational vehicles, boats and trailers,

[0:22:13] Voice 2: G, storage and handling of goods, materials and equipment other than dangerous or hazardous materials,

[0:22:19] Voice 2: salvage motor vehicle parts or scrap, H, an accessory dwelling, I, accessory uses of buildings and structures.

[0:22:28] Voice 2: structures in the event these bylaws are approved we respectfully request one that our industrial

[0:22:35] Voice 2: zone property on Hamilton Road be given E F and I to our site specific specifications for the

[0:22:43] Voice 2: industrial zoning on our property which would allow for the safe and proper storage of boats

[0:22:47] Voice 2: and their association associated equipment and two that subsection I the item to the rezoning

[0:22:55] Voice 2: zoning at 4415 Federal Harbor Road to allow for hydro access and accessory uses buildings and

[0:23:01] Voice 2: structures to the waste transfer facility E F and I are currently allowed in every other zone except

[0:23:10] Voice 2: the ecologic zone we look forward to your favorable consider consideration thanks thank

[0:23:16] Voice 3: you all right

[0:23:21] Voice 3: Karen

[0:23:21] Voice 17: Bell. I'm here today with the support of a number of my fellow community residents up

[0:23:30] Voice 17: just north of Hope Bay. I'm a five-year full-time resident. My husband and I own a property in

[0:23:37] Voice 17: Armadale Road and we are here with the support of our neighbors to make an objection or complaint

[0:23:43] Voice 17: complaint about a building that is located at 4218 Clown Bay Road it has been commonly referred to

[0:23:50] Voice 17: now as the barn we're located in what is rural residential zone area of North Panther Island and

[0:23:59] Voice 17: um we sent you an email on Monday with a submission attached I don't plan to read

[0:24:06] Voice 17: the submission but I do want it you know it's a public document to form part of the record so

[0:24:12] Voice 17: So what I wanted to do today was to share with colleagues who may not be aware of the issue

[0:24:16] Voice 17: and make sure we're clear with you, our trustees, what our concerns are and what we want done about it.

[0:24:24] Voice 17: Basically, we're suggesting that when permission was sought from the Islands Trust

[0:24:30] Voice 17: to have a permit issued for the building, a construction of this building,

[0:24:36] Voice 17: the considerations were not with due regard to what the bylaw provides,

[0:24:40] Voice 17: it's basically non-compliant a building was is under construction almost finished or certainly

[0:24:47] Voice 17: the outside of it is finished it's fully contained and it rises well in excess of 4.6 meters

[0:24:54] Voice 17: i'm going to tell explain the significance of that but suffice it to say that a building has

[0:25:01] Voice 17: been built on a piece of residential beautiful waterfront property occupying a significant part

[0:25:08] Voice 17: part of the 1.9 acres, which is 0.8 of a hectare, under a hectare, and we suggest that it has been

[0:25:15] Voice 17: a mistake. A mistake has been made in construing what was permissible, and your consent was

[0:25:21] Voice 17: provided based upon a mistake. Let me review why we feel that way, and it's detailed in the

[0:25:28] Voice 17: submission. Rural residential property is a specific zone, and in that

[0:25:34] Voice 17: zone, the primary

[0:25:35] Voice 17: use, of course, is residential use. We are allowed very limited accessory uses. We can

[0:25:41] Voice 17: have horticulture and some presence of animals. That is all irrelevant for today's discussion.

[0:25:47] Voice 17: I want to focus on the horticultural use in addition to a dwelling. I don't also intend

[0:25:53] Voice 17: to refer to any cottage requirements because I don't believe that is an issue for us. But

[0:25:58] Voice 17: it's a limited use. It's for residential use. And we have lots of other space, north and

[0:26:04] Voice 17: south pander islands that deal with rural agricultural alar lands lands zoned for

[0:26:10] Voice 17: agriculture and commercial

[0:26:11] Voice 17: industrial uses and you've heard from ann about that but in every

[0:26:16] Voice 17: instance on rural residential property any accessory building must not exceed 4.6 meters

[0:26:25] Voice 17: and in some cases like a pump house it's got to be even shorter but that is crystal clear

[0:26:30] Voice 17: um again the submission sites of the specific section numbers we rely on but um that is set

[0:26:38] Voice 17: out as an accessory building requirement no question back to 4218 clan bay road as i said

[0:26:47] Voice 17: it's uh under a hectare 0.8 hectares there is currently a dwelling um the previous it's been

[0:26:54] Voice 17: purchased over the last couple of years by a new owner and previously occupied by family

[0:27:00] Voice 17: me for decades the home sits not that far from a shoreline on bricky bay formerly the brickyard

[0:27:08] Voice 17: factory area and a stand of trees was removed by the new owner to construct a new building

[0:27:18] Voice 17: being an accessory building of some sort the current construction towers well beyond the

[0:27:27] Voice 17: 4.6 meter height regulation i refer to and we want to know how the heck could this have happened

[0:27:33] Voice 17: when initial construction started after the leveling of trees um you know it is down a hill

[0:27:42] Voice 17: towards the water there are adjacent lots on either side plus across the street and we could

[0:27:48] Voice 17: see that an imprint uh on the property was extending day by day construction has been

[0:27:55] Voice 17: relatively swift and we have been making inquiries trying to find out as concerned neighborhood

[0:28:02] Voice 17: citizens are we're a very cooperative friendly tight-knit neighborhood and we like to know

[0:28:08] Voice 17: what's going on and most of us are full-time residents uh when made inquiries were made

[0:28:14] Voice 17: answers were given oh the owner's going to create a side room

[0:28:17] Voice 10: that's

[0:28:19] Voice 17: interesting how could that be

[0:28:20] Voice 17: this is a rural residential property other responses were oh there's going to be some

[0:28:25] Voice 17: kind of agricultural use how could that be there's no agricultural use in the rural residential

[0:28:32] Voice 17: and someone who is actually seeing paperwork has suggested oh there's going to be the processing

[0:28:37] Voice 17: of fruit and distribution of it we go hmm i thought that was only for home industries and

[0:28:43] Voice 17: there's limitations around that so we said well hey hi hey islands trust will you please share

[0:28:49] Voice 17: with us the documentation that you you relied on in providing your consent we understand there are

[0:28:56] Voice 17: processes lots of processes and you must have relied on something to say tip because as we

[0:29:03] Voice 17: listened to all of you this morning and what i felt were quite passionate remarks about preserving

[0:29:09] Voice 17: and protecting our beautiful islands having respect for all sorts of interests listening

[0:29:15] Voice 17: name being open we were confounded with that response no you can't see the documents you

[0:29:21] Voice 17: better go to CRD and off we trot to CRD and CRD says FOI request and for anyone who's ever gotten

[0:29:30] Voice 17: close to an FOI request that means months before you hear anything lots of bureaucracy and we're

[0:29:37] Voice 17: sitting here saying hey we're neighbors we live here we love this place we're here all the time

[0:29:42] Voice 17: heart and soul in it we volunteer in every activity going forward and you're

[0:29:46] Voice 1: not

[0:29:46] Voice 17: telling us why you can send on what basis you can send it to this we've been

[0:29:50] Voice 17: disturbed by it so we've brought forward our complaint we've met with trustee

[0:29:56] Voice 17: McConkey but very generous with time

[0:30:00] Voice 17: we weren't available trustee and morrison but our our our request to better understand

[0:30:07] Voice 17: stands but that said we have a monstrous building in our neighborhood that neighbors immediately on

[0:30:15] Voice 17: three sides have to live with

[0:30:18] Voice 17: we we are not um a fractious neighborhood we have no interest in

[0:30:23] Voice 17: fighting we are all almost resigned to the fact that things there are going to stay there but what

[0:30:30] Voice 17: we do want you to do and expect you to do we are your consistent constituents you are our trustees

[0:30:36] Voice 17: protectors of our island we expect you to make sure use is limited to what is permitted under

[0:30:45] Voice 17: the bylaw and so it's not agriculture it's not a home industry and if it's a home business it's

[0:30:52] Voice 17: got to fit within the box but you know that it's out of the box because it's way more than 4.6

[0:30:57] Voice 17: meters high this is what we want you to do we want you as your responsibility to ensure

[0:31:05] Voice 17: that the owner is completely compliant with news under the bylaw and that means that that building

[0:31:12] Voice 17: can only be used for some horticultural purpose the limitations as we all currently live with

[0:31:19] Voice 17: we want you to require screening so as i said home industries are not allowed you have to have

[0:31:27] Voice 17: zoning in a commercial or quasi-commercial area you have to have two hectares of land so that

[0:31:33] Voice 17: would never be allowed but it sure looks like a building that would be sitting on a piece of

[0:31:40] Voice 17: property for a home industry so let's follow the home industry rules and there are rules around

[0:31:45] Voice 17: screening so please please consider requiring this owner to screen for a

[0:31:52] Voice 17: buddy wants it is if you walk on our neighbors properties on either side it

[0:32:00] Voice 17: is in your face it is huge they need screening and the bylaw provides for a

[0:32:06] Voice 17: range of screening that's appropriate so I'm not here to give you particular

[0:32:09] Voice 17: first, you have those tools, but it is very important to consider that as a way to manage

[0:32:15] Voice 17: these. And thirdly, as I said, home industries and as well as home businesses are subject to

[0:32:21] Voice 17: very specific rules around noise, lighting, air quality. And again, because this environment has

[0:32:29] Voice 17: been created, those rules should apply. And they're at, I think, 3.5 and 3.6. Again,

[0:32:35] Voice 17: the submission refers to them specifically but these are our interests and it's not just the

[0:32:42] Voice 17: abutting landowners who are here today but the rest of us i mean we're around the corner and

[0:32:48] Voice 17: we already deal with very annoying blight through security lighting at night

[0:32:54] Voice 17: the owner has been

[0:32:56] Voice 17: approached and has not been very considerate of our requests and there are many properties down

[0:33:02] Voice 17: the line that that um have to deal with with that we can only imagine what noise might be emitted

[0:33:09] Voice 17: but we're saying please put that rabbit back in the bay please listen to your own comments

[0:33:15] Voice 17: this morning about about respecting each other and uses and the community and the preserving

[0:33:22] Voice 17: and the protection and less you know we've all talked for three and a half years about

[0:33:26] Voice 17: that's what that is what we're looking for and feel that that would be the way to protect the

[0:33:32] Voice 17: interests of the balance of the community and

[0:33:34] Voice 17: it's not with great respect if i don't believe

[0:33:37] Voice 17: this is a matter of there's two sides and we're talking no no um no i'm not suggesting you are

[0:33:42] Voice 17: but i'm just using your your own words that this is about an interest that has been um in effect

[0:33:49] Voice 17: favored and i'm not alleging any foul play or mal intent on any

[0:33:53] Voice 17: any of the staff or whoever might

[0:33:55] Voice 17: have been involved in consent we feel it was a mistake now we say you have the power to manage

[0:34:01] Voice 17: the mistake and that is what we ask thank

[0:34:04] Voice 3: you very much excellent

[0:34:06] Voice 17: can

[0:34:07] Trustee McConchie: i can i ask a question

[0:34:08] Trustee McConchie: great thanks karen for speaking can i i'm wondering if we can bring the planner stock

[0:34:11] Trustee McConchie: bills planner stock till are you there it's not right now but it's not right now you can hear us

[0:34:18] Voice 3: microphone is not

[0:34:19] Voice 3: working through here are

[0:34:20] Trustee McConchie: we able to hear can

[0:34:22] Voice 3: i phone there's

[0:34:23] Trustee McConchie: some i mean

[0:34:23] Trustee McConchie: Karen addressed specific potential clerical errors or a mistake.

[0:34:31] Trustee McConchie: I was wondering if the staff is comfortable explaining or justifying how they perceived

[0:34:36] Trustee McConchie: that application was approved, or is that the appropriate time to do that?

[0:34:42] Trustee McConchie: Sorry, just one second.

[0:34:43] Trustee McConchie: Sure.

[0:34:43] Voice 7: And maybe, Ben, I have a question that we could also just ask for clarification on that.

[0:34:48] Voice 7: I'm curious, Karen, has this gone to bylaw enforcement?

[0:34:55] Voice 7: We don't

[0:34:56] Voice 20: know the basis on which it's been approved

[0:34:58] Voice 7: so okay that

[0:35:00] Voice 20: that concerns me a lot

[0:35:01] Voice 7: yeah we should because that to me is like yeah like as

[0:35:06] Voice 7: we've asked to understand

[0:35:07] Voice 17: what

[0:35:08] Voice 17: is this building I mean it's obviously can only be an accessory building but yeah so

[0:35:13] Voice 17: how did it come to be and then what do you plan to do with it okay um

[0:35:17] Voice 7: and maybe as a

[0:35:20] Voice 7: general opinion on what we find out about the details of this building um there have been

[0:35:26] Voice 7: breaches in bylaw before that have been you know excessive size or structures and like there's a

[0:35:33] Voice 7: range of different options that we have several times in this term we've actually asked for

[0:35:38] Voice 7: deconstruction um because they've been so i

[0:35:43] Voice 4: don't yeah yeah

[0:35:44] Voice 7: that's great all the details in this

[0:35:46] Voice 7: situation but sometimes what has happened in those situations is the applicant has gone

[0:35:51] Voice 7: forward to the board of variance and argue a case that's also something to do

[0:36:02] Voice 4: so

[0:36:03] Trustee McConchie: kim did you hear my question i did yeah

[0:36:06] Trustee McConchie: just did you want to speak to that are you

[0:36:07] Trustee McConchie: comfortable with this or what just wondering how you how do you want to

[0:36:10] Voice 4: absolutely i can

[0:36:11] Voice 4: speak to it's a little bit awkward because i can't listen and speak at the same time in

[0:36:16] the situation so

[0:36:17] Voice 1: okay um

[0:36:18] Voice 4: so to clarify there was a building permit received for this um accessory

[0:36:25] building that was less than 10 meters in height and staff went through the process of sitting down

[0:36:32] and determining if this

[0:36:34] Voice 4: accessory building would be legal so horticulture is an accessory use on

[0:36:39] Voice 4: on this property.

[0:36:40] Voice 4: And there is a section in the current land use bylaw,

[0:36:44] Voice 4: section 3.4.4 that allows an accessory building

[0:36:52] for farm purposes to not exceed 10 meters in height.

[0:36:58] Now,

[0:36:59] Voice 4: this is certainly, we've identified this as a problem

[0:37:03] Voice 4: because a farm building is not defined

[0:37:07] Voice 4: find in the land use bylaw. So the property owner went above and beyond and provided more

[0:37:14] Voice 4: rationale for this barn structure and confirmed that it was to be used for horticultural use

[0:37:22] to store tractors and so forth. So their intent were to grow apples and pears on the property

[0:37:31] and then to provide that produce to a local cidery um so that was through a building permit process

[0:37:40] so this is certainly a an issue that's been raised with the current land use bylaw

[0:37:47] and so bylaw 224 does address that although it needs to go above and beyond we've heard

[0:37:55] that there's issues currently with the proposed rural residential two zone and allowing these

[0:38:04] accessory agriculture buildings that could be permitted potentially 10 meters in height or 15

[0:38:10] meters in height so this will be addressed not specifically this property but this issue overall

[0:38:17] Voice 4: will hopefully be addressed through buffalo 224 but in terms of this specific property at 4218

[0:38:23] Voice 4: plan bay road staff have the opinion that it is constructed legally and um yes if uh there is

[0:38:34] community members do you want to see the building permit documents you would have to go through a

[0:38:40] foi process but i'm happy to speak with anybody one-on-one um

[0:38:44] Voice 4: if you require further details

[0:38:46] Trustee McConchie: that's great thanks uh planche doctor so can i just offer uh one more follow-up question so

[0:38:50] Trustee McConchie: So right now, on a piece of property, on rural residential zone RR2,

[0:38:56] Trustee McConchie: I could come to the Island's Trust and say,

[0:38:59] Trustee McConchie: hey, I want to start a goat farm or whatever.

[0:39:02] Trustee McConchie: And then Island's Trust staff says, okay, cool, great.

[0:39:09] Trustee McConchie: Provide us with a goat farm plan.

[0:39:11] Trustee McConchie: And then Island's Trust right now has no mechanism to stop that,

[0:39:17] Trustee McConchie: is what I'm understanding.

[0:39:19] Trustee McConchie: So my goat farm would get approved and I could build a giant barn right now just with a kind of a letter to the staff.

[0:39:25] Trustee McConchie: There's no what I'm asking is there's no mechanism to to stop that from happening right now.

[0:39:32] Well, first of all, there's no real residential two. So if you're speaking about bylaw 224 or

[0:39:38] Voice 4: the current bylaw.

[0:39:40] Trustee McConchie: The current bylaws for what I meant to say.

[0:39:42] Trustee McConchie: sorry excuse me sorry assuming it passes yeah but

[0:39:48] Voice 5: i

[0:39:49] Trustee McConchie: could but i could start my goat farm just

[0:39:51] Trustee McConchie: with a letter to the islands trust saying i intend to start a goat farm even though i don't have the

[0:39:55] Trustee McConchie: goats yet not

[0:39:57] Voice 4: in rural residential park rural residential stone parcels because the only

[0:40:01] Voice 4: accessory use is horticulture okay

[0:40:03] Trustee McConchie: okay yeah sorry planter stock is livestock not part of that

[0:40:13] Voice 4: Um, I believe certain livestock is permitted on, um, a larger parcel.

[0:40:21] Voice 4: That's

[0:40:22] Trustee McConchie: what I thought too.

[0:40:22] Trustee McConchie: I'm sorry, I don't

[0:40:23] Voice 4: have the bottle in front of me.

[0:40:25] Trustee McConchie: So pigs, whatever.

[0:40:27] Trustee McConchie: I'm sorry I got on the wrong, picked the wrong animal.

[0:40:29] Trustee McConchie: So, but my, but I'm not, I'm, it's not, I'm not trying to criticize or whatever.

[0:40:34] Trustee McConchie: I'm just trying to find out right now.

[0:40:35] Trustee McConchie: That's what someone could do.

[0:40:35] Trustee McConchie: That's how, that's how this, this, this neighbor built this giant farm.

[0:40:39] Voice 4: I don't want it.

[0:40:40] Voice 4: Community members to think that they can have a goat farm or a rural resident.

[0:40:44] Trustee McConchie: i'm hopeful the community is aware of my attempt and they want an accessory barn

[0:40:50] Voice 4: and they have a strong rationale that states that this barn is to support horticultural use

[0:40:56] Voice 4: yes they are permitted an accessory building up to 10 meters in height even

[0:41:00] Trustee McConchie: if they don't

[0:41:01] Trustee McConchie: have an orchard in their yard you

[0:41:03] Voice 4: need to prove that you have a horticultural use currently on

[0:41:06] Voice 4: the property

[0:41:06] Trustee McConchie: today just a second just a second

[0:41:12] Voice 4: can

[0:41:13] Trustee McConchie: i just provided details that states that they

[0:41:15] currently have um trees on their property apple trees

[0:41:20] Voice 4: and i believe something

[0:41:21] Trustee McConchie: okay just okay

[0:41:22] Trustee McConchie: planners doctor thank you very much for that information i think it's really clear to trustees

[0:41:27] Trustee McConchie: here what has happened and and there's there seems to be uh some loose ends to tie up in this

[0:41:34] Trustee McConchie: particular circumstance yes

[0:41:36] Voice 7: i would encourage the community members who came forward to put

[0:41:40] Voice 7: in a bylaw complaint because we can't put in a bylaw complaint because it puts us in a conflict

[0:41:46] Voice 7: so i would encourage you to put in a bylaw complaint and then we can actually go and

[0:41:52] Voice 7: check that they have allergies or

[0:41:54] Voice 17: whatever it is okay so

[0:41:56] Voice 17: yeah um we do have a question because

[0:41:59] Voice 17: Because with all due respect to Planner Stockville, the business of farms, the definition of agriculture in our own bylaw, which is not permitted on rural residential property, is farming operations.

[0:42:14] Voice 17: So anything to do with a farm is managed under the Agricultural Land Commission Act and the Farm, whatever.

[0:42:23] Voice 17: There's many pieces of legislation that deal with farms.

[0:42:26] Voice 17: arms so it is our position that the analysis that horticulture jumps over to agriculture and

[0:42:34] Voice 17: farm uses is misplaced and the question for today is not to debate i'm not sitting here to debate

[0:42:42] Voice 17: with any of the planners but our question as a as a group is did you seek legal advice for that

[0:42:48] Voice 17: interpretation because bylaws, regulations, legislation, all are subject to

[0:42:56] Voice 17: interpretation all of the time. Not every word in every piece is defined but

[0:43:03] Voice 17: a traditional or the appropriate approach is to take context from

[0:43:08] Voice 17: intentions and other legislation and so we simply say there is no farming

[0:43:13] Voice 17: anything allowed in rural residential so that is why it was a mistake you heard that analysis

[0:43:19] Voice 17: now we want to know did you get a legal opinion to bail it back and no we didn't receive a legal

[0:43:27] opinion there is no definition of a farm building in the land use bylaw and would you determine a

[0:43:34] a property that's growing flowers or a large arch or portrait to not be a farm

[0:43:41] really when there when a word is not defined in the land use bylaw you have to go look at the

[0:43:50] common definition from a a dictionary

[0:43:58] Voice 1: okay i want to thank you

[0:44:00] Voice 3: we have two issues one is potentially a bylaw um investigation issue

[0:44:06] Voice 3: and we respect that the second issue which we'll be discussing later is we have an opportunity

[0:44:11] to

[0:44:11] Voice 3: address issues like this as we discuss our land use bylaws.

[0:44:16] Voice 3: So we have two issues and we will proceed with that.

[0:44:20] Voice 3: Well,

[0:44:20] Voice 17: just for clarification, trustee Patrick,

[0:44:24] Voice 17: we can proceed to make a complaint,

[0:44:26] Voice 17: another effort on our part,

[0:44:27] Voice 17: but we have expressed to you what we expect to be done

[0:44:31] Voice 17: with respect to the use and you have authority.

[0:44:34] Voice 17: And so to the extent currently screenings

[0:44:36] Voice 17: may not be necessary for an accessory building,

[0:44:39] Voice 17: building, we're asking, given this particular unique situation

[0:44:43] Voice 17: to entertain that and also to look at the other things. So I

[0:44:47] Voice 17: encourage you to look at the submission.

[0:44:48] Voice 17: We're hearing you loud and clear.

[0:44:51] Voice 7: I do want to encourage

[0:44:53] Voice 7: you to submit the ballot. Like in that context, because I do

[0:44:56] Voice 7: think there's potential for some problematic issues.

[0:45:00] Voice 3: Alright, so

[0:45:01] Voice 3: now we're, thank you very much. So we're going to

[0:45:03] Voice 3: continue with the town hall for people who would like to address

[0:45:06] Voice 3: us i see you in the back don't worry so do

[0:45:15] Trustee McConchie: you want to just identify yourself my name is joyce

[0:45:24] Voice 20: close to the bar so first of all i adopt all of karen's submissions with respect to that property

[0:45:33] Voice 20: But I'm here to speak not about the past, but about the future and the proposed bylaw.

[0:45:40] Voice 20: And the first thing I want to make clear is that we are strong supporters of agriculture and farming, small and large.

[0:45:51] Voice 20: And we're sympathetic to the difficulties that farmers may incur in making a living doing this.

[0:46:00] Voice 20: however we vigorously object to the inclusion of agriculture as a principal purpose in the proposed

[0:46:11] Voice 20: so and to the use of and to the inclusion of agri-tourism and accommodation as an accessory

[0:46:21] Voice 20: we think these are entirely and appropriate and moreover they're unnecessary so

[0:46:30] Voice 20: currently in the rr zone as we're all aware there are market gardens orchards and livestock are kept

[0:46:37] Voice 20: and these are low impact uses which are permitted and enhance the rural nature of our area we're

[0:46:44] Voice 20: very pleased to see sheep as we go along grazing in a property um and we really appreciate the

[0:46:55] Voice 20: ability to go and buy local produce at a roadside stand that's produced on these properties

[0:47:01] Voice 20: All of this is perfectly committed and it's wonderful.

[0:47:06] Voice 20: These activities exist comfortably with the properties, which may be purely residential in nature in the OR or zoo.

[0:47:16] Voice 20: However, many of the myriad farm uses, which be allowed under the applicable definitions, and this is something that is important.

[0:47:25] Voice 20: Like, you're not just looking at zoning funds.

[0:47:28] Voice 20: You're looking at the Agricultural Land Commission Act.

[0:47:31] Voice 20: you're looking at the Right to Farm Act, you're looking at all the regulations that go with that,

[0:47:37] Voice 20: you're looking at the Assessment Act. All of these things have different definitions that relate to

[0:47:43] Voice 20: the activities that could be done if agriculture were approved as a principal use. And many of

[0:47:51] Voice 20: these are intensive and entirely inappropriate for this area. So the permitted activities right now,

[0:47:58] Voice 20: which are horticulture and the keeping of listed livestock are absolutely all

[0:48:07] Voice 20: that is necessary if there is some specific agriculture activity that isn't

[0:48:13] Voice 20: allowed that's low impact and appropriate then it could be added as a

[0:48:18] Voice 20: listed activity the only one I can think of that is beekeeping

[0:48:23] Voice 9: so

[0:48:24] Voice 20: perhaps that

[0:48:25] Voice 20: that might be added as a listed activity.

[0:48:27] Voice 20: But from my understanding from the agricultural community,

[0:48:32] Voice 20: their main concern is that because horticulture

[0:48:36] Voice 20: is an accessory purpose,

[0:48:38] Voice 20: they're not allowed to keep livestock and livestock people.

[0:48:44] Voice 20: They're not allowed to do these activities on a bare walk.

[0:48:47] Voice 20: They have to have a host first.

[0:48:50] Voice 20: And this doesn't seem particularly reasonable

[0:48:55] Voice 20: nipple are necessary. So the simple remedy here is simply to make those principal purposes so that

[0:49:04] Voice 20: they are allowed on bare lots as well, rather than putting the all-inclusive definition of

[0:49:10] Voice 20: agriculture into Section 224 and 229. So it's important that when you're looking at what be

[0:49:17] Voice 20: done to change the bylaws, there's a placeholder in 224 for the definition that's included in

[0:49:24] Voice 20: 229 so we have to make sure that both of those are changed so and again you know we want to

[0:49:34] Voice 20: encourage farming and encourage farmers but we want the activities that take place in our

[0:49:41] Voice 20: to land to be appropriate for those and to respect the current balance between parties that goes

[0:49:47] Voice 20: in place the as i pointed out the rights of the parties would be changed if agriculture was

[0:49:55] Voice 20: approved as a primary and it would also inhibit the right of the trust to regulate certain

[0:50:01] Voice 20: activities on those properties and as trustee mcconkey pointed out all that seems to be

[0:50:08] Voice 20: necessary is for someone to say i'm a farmer and i've got a farm activity i have a growth of kiwi

[0:50:15] Voice 20: trees in the back of my property if i want to produce those can i put a big barn up if it's

[0:50:22] Voice 20: defined agriculture that's ludicrous but it would be allowed so and and the restrictions that are

[0:50:30] Voice 20: proposed where it should be three acres in size or 1.2 hectares are entirely inappropriate those

[0:50:38] Voice 20: those types of large farm buildings should go on AOR land

[0:50:42] Voice 20: where the average lot size is 40 acres or 16 hectares.

[0:50:48] Voice 20: That's the type of properties where the scale

[0:50:51] Voice 20: of those types of buildings are appropriate.

[0:50:56] Voice 20: So again, if there are some properties in the RR2 zone

[0:51:03] Voice 20: that are anomalies that shouldn't be included

[0:51:06] Voice 20: it in the rr2 zone that should be uh agricultural they can be resumed to rural or alr but they don't

[0:51:15] Voice 20: but the answer isn't to put everything in the same basket it's to make sure that the activities that

[0:51:22] Voice 20: are going on are appropriate in the zone that they're approved for and making every zone on

[0:51:30] Voice 20: the island agricultural is not the answer to the concerns that have been expressed

[0:51:38] Voice 20: and again agri tourism and accommodation i'm not sure where this came from my understanding

[0:51:45] Voice 20: is this wasn't a request of the agricultural committee and it seems to be entirely

[0:51:52] Voice 20: inappropriate for this area again it would allow someone to get around the regulations that are

[0:51:58] Voice 20: are currently in place for cottages and accessory buildings and and short-term rentals so

[0:52:10] Voice 20: there's a lot of mischief that would would happen if these particular things were improved

[0:52:18] Voice 20: so what we've done is suggest some particular language but but i would make the point is

[0:52:26] Voice 20: is there's a lot of comprehensive changes in the new legislation.

[0:52:30] Voice 20: So it might be useful to have a legal review of some of this language

[0:52:35] Voice 20: to ensure that the intent of what's being done is actually being accomplished.

[0:52:42] Voice 20: We put some simple and straightforward proposals for language in our submission

[0:52:49] Voice 20: and would encourage you to adopt those.

[0:52:53] Voice 20: but the main thing we want to say is please do not include agriculture as a principal use

[0:53:01] Voice 20: in the proposed RRT. So I thank you for your time.

[0:53:08] Voice 3: Thank you, Joyce, and thank you for the

[0:53:11] Voice 3: detailed work of laying out suggestions, and I think that's what these trustees have said for

[0:53:16] Voice 3: a long time, come with suggestions. That's what we're asking for, so thank you. Okay, go ahead,

[0:53:21] Voice 3: you're next sure you can sit down you know we can hear you um

[0:53:28] Voice 4: if

[0:53:29] Voice 3: you could just say your name yes

[0:53:30] Voice 4: my name is verity roll and first of all i want to thank you for hearing me and i really want to

[0:53:36] Voice 4: thank my neighbors um for doing all the work that they've done so my family has been on pender and

[0:53:44] Voice 4: on the property and then the next door property adjacent to the property in question for 50 years

[0:53:50] Voice 4: years, so we've been there a long time. And I'm hearing all of this discussion about agricultural

[0:53:56] Voice 4: use and I agree with everything that is being said and submitted and I can speak for my

[0:54:01] Voice 4: family. There's actually four families that are using the two properties adjacent to the

[0:54:07] Voice 4: one under discussion. But the thing I wanted to mention is that the idea of farm use, which

[0:54:13] Voice 4: just how the application has gone in i understand and we're really relying on rumor but when i look

[0:54:22] Voice 4: at that building actually look at it it's not clear to me at all that it's a barn it looks

[0:54:27] Voice 4: like it could be a house so there's i think there's probably residential funds in that

[0:54:33] Voice 4: i don't know we don't know but that's what it looks like and so that's you know obviously

[0:54:40] Voice 4: say against you guys would know all what it's

[0:54:42] Voice 20: against better than me

[0:54:43] Voice 4: in terms of bylaw numbers

[0:54:45] Voice 4: or whatever but i i just really wonder about that um and i note that the tractor uh

[0:54:57] Voice 4: okay tiny and the barn is you know huge it's very mismatched and also there are no fruit trees that

[0:55:05] Voice 4: That is for sure.

[0:55:07] Voice 4: And the area where the fruit trees could grow

[0:55:09] Voice 4: is not all that much bigger

[0:55:12] Voice 4: than the foundation of the farm.

[0:55:17] Voice 4: And as well, the new owner did say

[0:55:21] Voice 17: that they're gonna rebuild the house.

[0:55:23] Voice 17: So there's not much farming capacity on that land.

[0:55:27] Voice 4: So I just agree with everything that's being said,

[0:55:31] Voice 4: but I also have this question in my mind

[0:55:33] Voice 4: if the whole thing is just i sound thank you thank you for the language

[0:55:42] Voice 4: there yes i just wanted to

[0:55:44] Voice 4: to mention that again not known but if that's what it looks like thank you thank you very much

[0:55:51] Trustee McConchie: can

[0:55:52] Voice 12: i just we don't make

[0:55:54] Trustee McConchie: a comment here so the agriculture advisory planning commission met on

[0:55:59] Trustee McConchie: july 11th just reviewing the minutes here and they their request i'm not sure just when you want to

[0:56:05] Trustee McConchie: discuss this but their request in the minutes says that the north this was moved and carried

[0:56:10] Trustee McConchie: that the north pender agriculture advisory planning commission requested the north pender

[0:56:14] Trustee McConchie: on the local trust committee requests more information about the farm purposes requiring

[0:56:19] Trustee McConchie: a 10 meter tall building on a 0.8 hectare rural residential oceanfront property so and then they

[0:56:26] Trustee McConchie: also know that the aapc uh has been disbanded as of july 31st i

[0:56:31] Voice 1: think this is i'm curious to know

[0:56:32] Trustee McConchie: what the aapc thinks about this issue i think this is important maybe to send it to them to discuss

[0:56:38] Trustee McConchie: with clear clear direction uh so we can hear their feedback as well um but that means we need to

[0:56:43] Trustee McConchie: appoint folks i'm not sure where we're at with that planner stock bill or if we if i don't i

[0:56:49] Trustee McConchie: don't see that on our agenda today so well

[0:56:52] Voice 3: that we can so

[0:56:53] Trustee McConchie: there's a couple things together i mean

[0:56:54] Trustee McConchie: there's a couple ways i want to address this and i think the aapc should definitely deliberate on

[0:56:58] Trustee McConchie: this uh issue so

[0:57:00] Voice 3: if we're talking about the new bylaws um we could discuss that at the time or

[0:57:06] Voice 3: we're talking about this well let's

[0:57:09] Trustee McConchie: do that during i mean we do that later on in the agenda but i mean

[0:57:12] Trustee McConchie: kim do you have something to say

[0:57:16] Voice 4: we do i have made a point of discussing this in the staff report for the land use bylaws so why

[0:57:23] Voice 4: don't we bring back okay

[0:57:24] Trustee McConchie: great yeah so we've heard from folks in the community concerns

[0:57:28] Trustee McConchie: concerns. We hear you. And now let's discuss this during the land use

[0:57:32] Trustee McConchie: bylaw. Okay. Just wanted to

[0:57:33] Trustee McConchie: see process. Okay. Great. Appreciate that. I

[0:57:35] Voice 7: think I do need to stress still that like

[0:57:39] Voice 7: my understanding of where everything's at right now, given that there's a building permit issued

[0:57:43] Voice 7: is that one issue is the land use bylaw. Where do we go? And one issue is the current building

[0:57:48] Voice 7: get a bylaw submission from the community on this to be able to move forward on the

[0:57:57] Voice 9: Anyone else that would like to address us today?

[0:58:02] Voice 9: I see Michael Sketch.

[0:58:05] Voice 4: If you could just come forward, Michael, we can hear you.

[0:58:15] Voice 5: Can my voice be heard through the...

[0:58:17] Voice 14: Yep.

[0:58:21] Voice 14: Of the many land use by-law components I'd like to address too, not because they're the sole and most important ones, but they are very important.

[0:58:33] Voice 14: From the early 1990s, the Port Washington Shed structure, built in 1910, and originally

[0:58:40] Voice 14: used for storage, began its life as a residence.

[0:58:45] Voice 14: The shed structure is about 10% on the land and about 90%, 80% over the foreshore.

[0:58:54] Voice 14: So the issue of residential use of the foreshore came streaming up and there was a great deal

[0:59:01] Voice 14: of community concern about it um the islands trust spent taxpayer money and an awful lot of time

[0:59:09] Voice 14: to preclude residential use of that structure which is especially on the foreshore

[0:59:16] Voice 14: and went to court twice for clarification and then the third time the courts found that the

[0:59:23] Voice 14: um the um residential use of the foreshore building was contrary to the land use bottle

[0:59:33] Voice 14: and then out of thin air from the public point of view uh staff recommended to the new landowner

[0:59:41] Voice 14: um that uh both parcels the little sliver of land the shed should sits on and the upland portion

[0:59:49] Voice 14: portion which is about less than a quarter acre both these are residential they used to be they

[0:59:54] Voice 14: are now and have been commercial and while in an of it

[1:00:00] Voice 14: itself, the residential zoning of the foreshore sliver

[1:00:04] Voice 14: would not allow use of the foreshore land.

[1:00:07] Voice 14: It would predispose on this trust zoning for saying,

[1:00:11] Voice 14: and then in turn, permission for foreshore release

[1:00:16] Voice 14: from the province.

[1:00:17] Voice 14: So this is stage one, as the public would see it,

[1:00:21] Voice 14: of a three-stage plan.

[1:00:23] Voice 14: And the policy issue from the First Nations interest,

[1:00:28] Voice 14: interest in the residence issue of residential use of the four

[1:00:32] Voice 14: short is a big one. It's a big deal and should not be slivered

[1:00:37] Voice 14: and slipped in on the back of a land use bylaw review. So my

[1:00:41] Voice 14: request is that the trustees remove that particular project

[1:00:44] Voice 14: from the land use bylaw review and wait for serious

[1:00:49] Voice 14: consideration and particularly get First Nations perspective on

[1:00:54] Voice 14: this in 2006 and seven i included in my submission to you the staff reports nowhere that is there any

[1:01:01] Voice 14: consideration of the person's interest in this issue they are concerned that's my first topic

[1:01:09] Voice 14: and the second um the uh the use of of alr land 13 percent of north standard very closely is in

[1:01:20] Voice 14: the agricultural land reserve and it's a joint jurisdiction of them but the land commission

[1:01:26] Voice 14: the agricultural land commission is the superior jurisdiction and islands trust by section 46 of

[1:01:34] Voice 14: the alc act may not um issue violence adopt violence contrary to the alc act or its regulation

[1:01:44] Voice 14: there is a specific specific order of the land commission fairly recent that a portion of land

[1:01:55] Voice 14: alarm land in the i1b zone not be allowed for storage use and that is an order of the commission

[1:02:06] Voice 14: which stands and any trust zoning by that section 46 has no force or effect legally

[1:02:18] Voice 14: section 46 of the ALC act and it is I think folly for the island's trust to zone on top of

[1:02:28] Voice 14: ALC non-permission because down the line the landowner thinks well this is industrial land

[1:02:35] Voice 14: we can do what we like with it we can put it to an industrial use when in fact that use if both

[1:02:41] Voice 14: storage or anything else has never been given by the land commission this is all documented

[1:02:45] Voice 14: and the staff are aware so to move forward now with new or enhanced industrial uses on

[1:02:53] Voice 14: that particular parcel is a mistake it is in the ALR and the second matter regarding that parcel

[1:03:04] Voice 14: and it's a historical issue are the boundaries for a very long time the alr boundary was about

[1:03:12] Voice 14: 30 feet to the west of where it should have been and that caused chaos when there was a

[1:03:19] Voice 14: application for exclusion from the alr

[1:03:22] Trustee McConchie: there seems to our chair patrick there seems to be

[1:03:24] Trustee McConchie: a commotion in our constituencies i'm wondering if there's about something you some way to address

[1:03:30] Trustee McConchie: address this.

[1:03:30] Voice 5: Well, I

[1:03:31] Voice 5: have

[1:03:31] Voice 2: a

[1:03:38] Voice 3: conversation back, he's speaking, you can have an opportunity to correct the information

[1:03:43] Voice 3: that you choose.

[1:03:44] Voice 3: I

[1:03:45] Voice 16: can maybe clarify. So my understanding is that the property was approved for exclusion.

[1:03:51] Voice 16: The owners may speak to this, they haven't necessarily completed all conditions, although

[1:03:57] Voice 16: you may have and that was the last i've heard so okay

[1:04:00] Voice 7: and i would i would actually

[1:04:02] Voice 16: like procedural

[1:04:02] Voice 16: just usually yeah there's a series of there's a series of criteria that you had to meet as part

[1:04:08] Voice 16: of that order yeah okay

[1:04:11] Voice 3: let's time out you complete your statement and then you can um

[1:04:16] Voice 3: can

[1:04:17] Trustee McConchie: i just offer a point of clarity right now we're in the process of the town hall a person

[1:04:22] Trustee McConchie: can come up and talk about how we need spacecraft or something or whatever they want and

[1:04:27] Trustee McConchie: you can be

[1:04:27] Trustee McConchie: opposed to what they say but right now we have everyone has a right to say something then you

[1:04:32] Trustee McConchie: have the right to respond so let's just maintain that that civility if that's okay please

[1:04:36] Voice 5: but if

[1:04:37] Trustee McConchie: there is a chance for mr sketch i'm wondering if we can because we have a big agenda here we do and

[1:04:41] Voice 5: i actually have

[1:04:42] Trustee McConchie: a question for mr sketch regarding the core washing application which i find much

[1:04:45] Trustee McConchie: more interesting yeah so

[1:04:46] Voice 3: there's a particular parcel that you are concerned to you always have

[1:04:50] Voice 14: access to stuff again yes please do uh

[1:04:53] Voice 14: the boundaries uh for the alr have been i think

[1:04:56] Voice 14: and at one point in the language review that was mentioned but they did not mention that the

[1:05:04] Voice 14: rural ag boundary is about 30 feet too far to the to the west and it allows for competing uses

[1:05:12] Voice 14: rural uses on the ALR, and that shouldn't be corrected.

[1:05:16] Voice 14: Those are my two points.

[1:05:17] Voice 14: This land is in the ALR.

[1:05:19] Voice 14: It's not appropriate to have industrial uses

[1:05:22] Voice 14: assigned by the ALC.

[1:05:24] Voice 14: When it's out of the ALR, if it comes out of the ALR,

[1:05:29] Voice 14: that is a different discussion and time for change

[1:05:31] Voice 14: in the land you follow.

[1:05:34] Voice 14: Thank you very much.

[1:05:36] Voice 14: And I have a question.

[1:05:37] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, a question.

[1:05:38] Trustee McConchie: so uh michael your uh uh submission regarding the port washington was your finest in my term

[1:05:45] Trustee McConchie: it was very informative so i want to thank you for taking the time um because it we didn't receive a

[1:05:52] Trustee McConchie: staff report about the history of the fact the honest trust did spend a bunch of coin on lawyer

[1:05:58] Trustee McConchie: fees to kick somebody out of that place because it was a residential sewage issue so there was a

[1:06:04] Trustee McConchie: character living in the shed in port washington i didn't know that history so now you're mr sketch's

[1:06:10] Trustee McConchie: point that we spent a bunch of legal money to prevent it from being residential and now we're

[1:06:17] Trustee McConchie: saying yeah we want it to be residential it's kind of ironic i thought it was a really good point

[1:06:21] Trustee McConchie: um now the the question i had for you michael is uh like so you you think that the trust committee

[1:06:28] Trustee McConchie: should request more information

[1:06:31] Trustee McConchie: from First Nations referrals perhaps.

[1:06:35] Trustee McConchie: I'm wondering like, what else?

[1:06:37] Trustee McConchie: Like, what are your other objections?

[1:06:40] Trustee McConchie: So let's say the First Nations communities come back

[1:06:41] Trustee McConchie: and say, we have no objections, you know,

[1:06:44] Trustee McConchie: cause really the issue for me is the non-use

[1:06:47] Trustee McConchie: of commercial land and making the parking spaces

[1:06:51] Trustee McConchie: much more safer for the kids there.

[1:06:54] Trustee McConchie: So I'm wondering how, if you could address,

[1:06:56] Trustee McConchie: how you would resolve that.

[1:06:57] Voice 14: yeah

[1:06:58] Trustee McConchie: that um

[1:06:59] Voice 14: i i didn't go there yeah deliberately and it is up to the ltc and and staff and the land

[1:07:07] Voice 14: owner to come up with a plausible use for that land uh it is now zone commercial and there is

[1:07:14] Voice 14: an argument uh to put a local area coffee shop whatever in walking distance to local residents

[1:07:20] Voice 14: on each section of maybe 250 people around bender island and to lose that commercial zoning is

[1:07:27] Voice 14: unfortunate uh it's not should not be dependent upon frankly the whim of a new landowner um but

[1:07:36] Voice 14: that is an ltc decision um i the it was a serious error of a judgment in the early 1990s to carve up

[1:07:46] Voice 14: carve off a 20 foot wide piece from the foreshore and give it a separate lot and that

[1:07:53] Voice 14: problem remains you it's within your power i think to require a consolidation of the lots

[1:08:01] Voice 14: before any consideration of land use there are a number of ways to go but a building which is

[1:08:09] Voice 14: is mostly on the foreshore and is now, as I pointed out

[1:08:14] Voice 14: in the BC assessments view, is a house with a bathroom

[1:08:18] Voice 14: and two bedrooms and whatever.

[1:08:21] Voice 14: Even though that those internal structures were required

[1:08:25] Voice 14: by Florida to be removed, have they been?

[1:08:28] Voice 14: So why on earth, if the Amherst Trust grants

[1:08:32] Voice 14: residential use of those two lots in your land use model,

[1:08:36] Voice 14: long shouldn't the owners use it as a residence and use it as a lever to get island trust permission

[1:08:43] Voice 14: on the foreshore portion of the water lot for residential use and given those two for sure if

[1:08:50] Voice 14: you look at the staff reports you'll find that the province grants the foreshore lease and the deal

[1:08:54] Voice 14: is done this is stage one of a three-part plan and i think it's a gross mistake to go there but

[1:09:01] Voice 14: But these decisions, these need serious policy consideration,

[1:09:05] Voice 14: and it should not be slipped down the back of a land use ball over here.

[1:09:09] Voice 14: Okay, thank you, Michael.

[1:09:10] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:09:12] Voice 3: Anyone else that wishes to address us today?

[1:09:15] Trustee McConchie: Was there any corrections?

[1:09:16] Trustee McConchie: Maybe this would be an opportunity if anybody heard something

[1:09:19] Trustee McConchie: and wanted to correct to the local trust committee.

[1:09:21] Trustee McConchie: It

[1:09:22] Voice 3: doesn't sound like it.

[1:09:23] Voice 3: I think there's active conversations going in that particular property

[1:09:27] Voice 3: between planners and the owners.

[1:09:31] Voice 3: Okay, anyone else?

[1:09:33] Voice 3: That's great. Thank you.

[1:09:35] Trustee McConchie: George, I was

[1:09:37] Voice 15: looking forward to a George solution.

[1:09:38] Voice 15: Do you want

[1:09:38] Voice 15: me to comment on the farming AAPC?

[1:09:41] Voice 15: Any

[1:09:41] Trustee McConchie: thoughts George has? It's great.

[1:09:44] Trustee McConchie: Anytime George speaks is always professorial and I learn something.

[1:09:50] Voice 15: Do I have to move?

[1:09:52] Voice 7: It helps the mic.

[1:09:54] Voice 7: Just

[1:09:54] Trustee McConchie: because you got a mask too, it might be hard to hear George.

[1:09:57] Voice 7: So can you hear me too?

[1:10:01] Voice 15: in the first instance agriculture is not a profitable activity on tender island

[1:10:09] Voice 15: and may never be the infrastructure doesn't exist the costs of doing things are high

[1:10:18] Voice 15: and the soil is not of the highest caliber secondly within the alc alr

[1:10:31] Voice 15: rules. If you put a

[1:10:34] Voice 15: farm building on

[1:10:36] Voice 15: agri-ale or land

[1:10:37] Voice 15: for the purpose of processing

[1:10:41] Voice 15: the goods that you

[1:10:43] Voice 15: produce, 50%

[1:10:45] Voice 15: of the goods must come from your own

[1:10:47] Voice 15: land. Now, on a

[1:10:50] Voice 15: 0.8 hectare

[1:10:52] Voice 15: waterfront lot

[1:10:55] Voice 15: on

[1:10:56] Voice 15: the, what is it,

[1:10:58] Voice 15: the east side of the island,

[1:11:02] Voice 15: then,

[1:11:03] Voice 15: and I have property in here,

[1:11:05] Voice 15: I do know. And

[1:11:06] Voice 15: ours is probably more agricultural at the end of Armadale than his is there.

[1:11:13] Voice 15: You would need a building probably 10 by 10 to process what you could produce on that piece of property.

[1:11:24] Voice 15: It is not unusual for the Agricultural Land Commission to deal with these situations.

[1:11:32] Voice 15: This is not ALR land, but it's the same activity.

[1:11:36] Voice 15: somebody wishing to use agricultural land reserved land for the purpose of their country

[1:11:45] Voice 15: estate now i'm not opposed to country estates just to be clear now the aapc's term ended

[1:11:58] Voice 15: on july 31st that was as far as it was appointed to so there is no official standard

[1:12:04] Voice 15: one of the issues that I know the group has dealt with is this issue of what is a legitimate farm

[1:12:14] Voice 15: and it comes from here and it goes to there it's as wide as it is broad as tall as it is so

[1:12:23] Voice 15: you know there are some standards for that it comes through bc assessment in the sale of

[1:12:28] Voice 15: $2,500 worth of goods or more if it's a smaller property. Well, if you can get BC Assessment to

[1:12:37] Voice 15: give you the tax status, you can write a check to yourself for $3,500 pretty quickly to show

[1:12:43] Voice 15: you have revenue to save the taxes

[1:12:45] Voice 1: on a

[1:12:46] Voice 15: property like this. And those cases have been heard in

[1:12:50] Voice 15: Oak Bay, as I'm sure the planners are aware. So I think there's a situation here that really

[1:12:58] Voice 15: really begs the question where was the review that this was actually agriculture or was it just a

[1:13:09] Voice 15: desktop study that said yeah looks like agriculture to me stamp next please was there a field visit

[1:13:21] Voice 15: to a point eight hectare seaside property with a building of that size footprint hey I'd like

[1:13:28] Voice 15: to build one like that too i'm not i'm not opposed to that building it okay i'm really not but what

[1:13:34] Voice 15: are the rules that's right all

[1:13:42] Voice 3: right thank you very much so anyone else addressing us today

[1:13:46] Voice 3: and okay thank you very much there

[1:13:48] Trustee McConchie: was a question from george was there a field visit

[1:13:53] Voice 3: well i think we're again this is an issue

[1:13:56] Voice 3: that needs investigation okay

[1:13:57] Trustee McConchie: let's let that issue

[1:13:59] Voice 3: be investigated and addressed uh through this well

[1:14:03] Trustee McConchie: i don't

[1:14:04] Voice 3: know if there's an investigation

[1:14:05] Trustee McConchie: you just add, was there a field visit as a question?

[1:14:07] Voice 5: Yes.

[1:14:08] Voice 5: Is that a

[1:14:10] Trustee McConchie: bad question to ask?

[1:14:12] Trustee McConchie: I don't understand.

[1:14:13] Voice 5: There wasn't.

[1:14:14] Voice 5: There

[1:14:14] Trustee McConchie: was not a field.

[1:14:15] Trustee McConchie: Okay, thank you.

[1:14:16] Voice 5: Sorry.

[1:14:17] Voice 5: Okay, thank you.

[1:14:18] Voice 5: Thanks.

[1:14:18] Voice 5: All right.

[1:14:20] Voice 3: All right, so thank you very much.

[1:14:22] Voice 3: We're gonna move on through our agenda and thank you.

[1:14:27] Voice 3: So, oh, I always wanna say your trustees

[1:14:29] Voice 3: do wanna hear from you.

[1:14:31] Voice 3: Correspondence is taken seriously.

[1:14:32] Voice 3: please send your information to the trustees

[1:14:36] Voice 3: or to southinfo at islandstrust.bc

[1:14:39] Voice 3: and it gets copied back to us.

[1:14:40] Voice 3: So we do want to hear from you all the time

[1:14:43] Voice 3: and I know we read it, I read it and thank you for it.

[1:14:48] Voice 3: Okay, I'm gonna move on here.

[1:14:51] Voice 3: We have a series of minutes.

[1:14:53] Voice 3: You want to

[1:14:54] Voice 15: take a five minute break?

[1:14:55] Voice 3: Sure.

[1:14:55] Voice 3: Sure.

[1:15:00] Voice 3: We're just taking a five minute break.

[1:15:03] Voice 3: Thank you everyone.

[1:15:04] Voice 3: So we're gonna move on.

[1:15:05] Voice 3: We have a series of minutes here.

[1:15:06] Voice 3: We have the minutes from our May 26th meeting.

[1:15:09] Voice 3: Seems like, I can't believe that was the last time we met.

[1:15:12] Voice 3: It seems like yesterday.

[1:15:14] Voice 3: Are there any additions or corrections

[1:15:16] Voice 3: that need to be made to those minutes?

[1:15:17] Voice 9: I don't have any corrections.

[1:15:19] Voice 3: We can approve those minutes through general consent.

[1:15:21] Voice 3: Yes, we have minutes from our special meeting on July 7 for adoption or there any corrections that need to be made to that.

[1:15:32] Voice 3: And I want to thank you, Ben, for sharing that meeting as fun as

[1:15:37] Voice 3: joining the opponent had horrible audio problems, but I did I could hear everything I couldn't hear me.

[1:15:43] Voice 3: me. And really, I was impressed. Thank

[1:15:49] Voice 9: you very much. So we can

[1:15:51] Voice 3: approve those. Yes. And the minutes from July 26. The

[1:15:58] Voice 3: communication changes those. So we can approve those. That's

[1:16:03] Voice 3: great. And then we have the Agricultural Planning

[1:16:05] Voice 3: Commission minutes of reference referenced earlier, they're here

[1:16:09] Voice 3: for our um uh receipt i have a question about

[1:16:12] Voice 7: those yes um so as ben pointed out that there

[1:16:16] Voice 7: there are action items inside these minutes and i'm just wondering how these action items get

[1:16:21] Voice 7: surfaced this is it you can you

[1:16:23] Voice 3: can so decide right now or just refer back to them later in

[1:16:28] Voice 3: the agenda okay

[1:16:29] Voice 7: so is there but i think my question is um is there a staff process that

[1:16:34] Voice 7: these minutes go by to flag that flag particular issues there are questions perhaps or is it just

[1:16:39] Voice 7: us who does that

[1:16:41] Voice 3: no uh staff would pull from um aapc or from advisory planning committee meetings

[1:16:47] Voice 3: into staff reports were relevant or but we can also reference and i don't know if there's any

[1:16:53] Voice 3: further information yeah

[1:16:57] Trustee McConchie: i mean the aapc they they recommended a couple things which was listen to

[1:17:03] Trustee McConchie: the rules of the alr with regards to house size um that uh it reiterates its request that the north

[1:17:11] Trustee McConchie: pender island local trust committee include provision for farm worker housing as permitted use

[1:17:16] Trustee McConchie: um just wondering

[1:17:17] Voice 7: i understand what i don't understand is like like the flag for that house

[1:17:23] Voice 7: specifically that was a sort of dumb thing i didn't i didn't see that anywhere else in the

[1:17:28] Voice 7: agenda, maybe I'm missing it, that it got flagged other than in the ALRNPC minutes.

[1:17:35] Trustee McConchie: So, Planner Stockdell, are you hearing the conversation? Oh, okay. Yes. So, sorry,

[1:17:44] Trustee McConchie: Trustee Morrison, you're asking whether or not

[1:17:46] Trustee McConchie: we need to deal with this now or is it in the

[1:17:48] Trustee McConchie: land use bylaw review?

[1:17:49] Voice 7: No, it's not a land use bylaw review issue because it's a compliance

[1:17:53] Voice 7: issue potentially with existing bylaws. And thank you for catching it because it seems like

[1:18:01] Voice 7: If something is flagged inside the AAPC that it's not about the language pilot going forward, but it's potentially about an existing bylaw infraction, because that's essentially what it is, is it's flagging an existing potential problem, then I'm just wondering, how do we capture it? Does it get captured?

[1:18:21] Voice 16: My understanding was that this particular issue was brought to staff's attention.

[1:18:26] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:18:26] Voice 16: okay so

[1:18:28] Voice 7: that's what i wanted to because i don't see it on an agenda on the agenda as a separate

[1:18:32] Voice 7: item that we need to address and that's why i'm concerned so i just want to make sure that we

[1:18:36] Voice 7: get those into our agenda as potential flag items that we need to think about if we need to think

[1:18:41] Voice 7: about them seems like we need to yeah

[1:18:45] Trustee McConchie: another thing to the main question i would have for the

[1:18:48] Trustee McConchie: aapc is uh with regards to what do they think about what joyce was arguing in her town hall

[1:18:54] Trustee McConchie: submission which is that agriculture should not be a primary use in our potential rr2 zoning and i

[1:19:00] Trustee McConchie: don't know if there's a consensus from that committee on that i think they need to deliberate

[1:19:04] Trustee McConchie: so i'm wondering if i need to make a motion i

[1:19:07] Voice 3: think again we'll discuss that that's in the land

[1:19:09] Voice 3: that is in the land

[1:19:10] Trustee McConchie: well that's what i guess that's the crux of what you're saying is that

[1:19:12] Trustee McConchie: that's in no i'm

[1:19:14] Voice 7: not it was different so um i'm good to discuss all those things inside the

[1:19:18] Voice 7: language this is one thing that i think was outside the language because it's an existing

[1:19:23] Voice 7: situation it's more about enforcement and i just wanted to make sure that we captured it

[1:19:26] Voice 1: okay all

[1:19:29] Voice 3: right any other questions on that so then we have the follow-up action list which is

[1:19:35] Voice 3: on page 23 of the agenda package are there any questions for staff or anything that staff wish

[1:19:40] Voice 3: to raise in regard to the follow-up action list so you know from staff us that's good um so

[1:19:52] Voice 3: that brings us to an application we have uh 12.1 on the agenda page 27 on the agenda package we

[1:19:59] Voice 3: have a development permit uh 22.2 and i'll turn the floor over to uh planner test mom thank you

[1:20:07] Voice 16: Chair Patrick. So this is GL 2022.2 for Dayton Funk, and that's for 1346 McKinnon Road. And just

[1:20:16] Voice 16: a quick, there's a typo on the title. It says it's a joint, or sorry, combined DP, DDP. That

[1:20:21] Voice 16: was a typo, because it's just a development permit for clarification. So the purpose of the

[1:20:26] Voice 16: DP application is for land alteration, excuse me, tree removal and establishment of building areas

[1:20:32] Voice 16: within Development Permit Area 1, which is Woodland Ecosystems.

[1:20:36] Voice 16: The application is being brought forward in order to establish buildable areas

[1:20:41] Voice 16: and proceed with site preparation activities and the installation of infrastructure

[1:20:46] Voice 16: in advance of detailed building design and a building permit application.

[1:20:51] Voice 16: So approximately 50% of the property is designated within BPA 1,

[1:20:55] Voice 16: and that's shown on Figure 2, which is on page 27 of the agenda.

[1:20:59] Voice 16: and any development or land alteration within the DPA requires a DP or an exemption.

[1:21:05] Voice 16: So the extent of the proposed development within the DP is for the removal of 19 trees,

[1:21:12] Voice 16: both Arbutus and Douglas first species, the restoration planting plan,

[1:21:17] Voice 16: which is up 60 replacement seedlings, excavation of building sites,

[1:21:22] Voice 16: an expansion of a portion of the driveway, installation of a septic disposal tank,

[1:21:28] Voice 16: trenching and installation of varied septic infrastructure, hydro and water services,

[1:21:33] Voice 16: all those being partially in the DPA. Outside of the DPA there is also the installation of

[1:21:38] Voice 16: a septic disposal field and the removal of a pump shed from the well which is to be reviewed.

[1:21:45] Voice 16: So there are alternative developable areas on the property, however the applicants did provide

[1:21:52] Voice 16: information which is attached to the report which indicates that the south portion is

[1:21:56] Voice 16: constrained by the required distance of a septic disposal field from the property as well which is

[1:22:03] Voice 16: 100 meters and the northern portion is topographically inaccessible and would require

[1:22:09] Voice 16: significant blasting to develop so an environmental assessment report by corianus corianus environmental

[1:22:18] Voice 16: was submitted as part of the application and that provides an impact assessment for the tree

[1:22:23] Voice 16: removal and vegetation removal for hydrology and the potential introduction of non-native

[1:22:28] Voice 16: flora and fauna and recommendations for mitigation with tree replacements

[1:22:35] Voice 16: excuse me restoration hydrology and maintaining native species and the conclusion or it does

[1:22:42] Voice 16: conclude that the development would minimally encroach on the designated dpa that following

[1:22:48] Voice 16: the guidelines and recommendations will ensure that further detrimental impacts to the sensitive

[1:22:54] Voice 16: and threatened ecosystems on subject property can be avoided so a dpa checklist um sorry additional

[1:23:02] Voice 16: to all conditions that were part of the ea report were inserted into the draft development permit

[1:23:10] Voice 16: as well as additional conditions that are consistent with the dpa guidelines and similar

[1:23:15] Voice 16: where applications have been placed or have been made uh the dpa checklist um which is attachment

[1:23:22] Voice 16: four and page 71 of the agenda confirms that all relevant guidelines have been met um and as

[1:23:30] Voice 16: sorry there are alternatives um for setting outside sorry not all relevant guidelines have

[1:23:37] Voice 16: been met as there are sites outside of the dpa however the historical historical disturbance

[1:23:42] Voice 16: in the development areas, the minimization of incursion into the designated areas and

[1:23:47] Voice 16: respiration measurements do meet the overall objectives of the DPA.

[1:23:51] Voice 16: So staff's recommendation is for approval of the DP and that's based on the fact that

[1:23:56] Voice 16: the objective and guidelines of the DPA have been met and all recommendations of the biologists

[1:24:02] Voice 16: environmental impact assessment have been incorporated into the proposed DPA and that

[1:24:08] Voice 16: implementing and monitoring conditions in the BP will ensure protection of the

[1:24:13] Voice 16: sensitive woodland ecosystem. Alternatives were given for different resolutions and that's my summary.

[1:24:20] Voice 16: Thank

[1:24:21] Voice 3: you very much. Is the applicant here? Do you have anything you want to add or any

[1:24:27] Voice 3: comments on the staff report?

[1:24:29] Voice 9: No, I have nothing to add.

[1:24:33] Voice 9: All

[1:24:33] Voice 3: right. Well, thank you very much. We're going to have some conversation. We may have

[1:24:35] Voice 3: questions for you we may have questions for staff so so thank you trustees yeah

[1:24:40] Trustee McConchie: i got a couple

[1:24:41] Trustee McConchie: questions um so thanks for the work on this phil and our planet test them all and thanks to dayton

[1:24:46] Trustee McConchie: for your correspondence and your your clear you know care for wanting to make sure that uh

[1:24:52] Trustee McConchie: you know you make a smart development so i have a bunch of questions i mean first of all it's kind

[1:24:57] Trustee McConchie: of it's how i start so we i talked to jan kirkby who's a biologist and she said the purpose of

[1:25:03] Trustee McConchie: these dpa areas is to ensure that the property owner they're going to make a house that they

[1:25:08] Trustee McConchie: really meet down they talk with the biologist and it seems like that has been done we've got

[1:25:13] Trustee McConchie: dan baxter and dr o'brien uh that have met and then followed all the procedure now the only

[1:25:20] Trustee McConchie: question so a couple questions i had uh it said uh dayton in your correspondence that accurate

[1:25:25] Trustee McConchie: setbacks are not included as design is not complete this was in 20 the correspondence

[1:25:30] Trustee McConchie: response I think was from 2020 or 2021. I'm wondering, do you have a design, is there a

[1:25:36] Trustee McConchie: design now for where the setbacks are going to be? So the building

[1:25:39] Voice 16: footprints are where they have to

[1:25:41] Voice 16: be. So any alterations to that, and the applicant's been told this, when they come to do actual

[1:25:47] Voice 16: construction, if there's any expansion or alterations to that, they would need an amendment.

[1:25:52] Trustee McConchie: Right. So now it's cut and dry where the house is going to go. There's no, and then they have

[1:25:57] Trustee McConchie: here to the house and the garage right okay um then the other okay so then in the biology report

[1:26:04] Trustee McConchie: um question here this is just something for us to consider i'm just going to read and then

[1:26:10] Trustee McConchie: hopefully get to the maybe to the point here the importance of water stored in the soil during

[1:26:15] Trustee McConchie: summer drought the ongoing loss of trees such as grand fir and western red cedar as well as

[1:26:21] Trustee McConchie: increasing effects of disease on species like arbutus due to increasing moisture stress and

[1:26:26] Trustee McConchie: and drought severity with climate change are all issues of great concern on

[1:26:30] Trustee McConchie: Pender Island. Going on,

[1:26:32] Trustee McConchie: construction of the dwelling and adjacent garage will cause interception of

[1:26:37] Trustee McConchie: precipitation and hence alter soil water inputs within the woodland ecosystem

[1:26:42] Trustee McConchie: DPA. So, you know, this will have an impact on the soil.

[1:26:46] Trustee McConchie: It's the biologist is saying from understand clear crack environment,

[1:26:49] Trustee McConchie: any development that reduces water inputs to the soil can potentially have

[1:26:53] Trustee McConchie: significant effects on tree mortality under already stressful conditions and so this component

[1:26:58] Trustee McConchie: of the proposed development will require consideration for rainwater collection and

[1:27:04] Trustee McConchie: diversion so that's the word i wanted to find out will require consideration what does that does are

[1:27:10] Trustee McConchie: they is is dayton uh legally required to have rainwater uh catchment collection and diversion

[1:27:19] Trustee McConchie: version to the DPA? So

[1:27:20] Voice 16: not as such. So not as part of the DP, because the DP, sorry, yeah, it's because it's not in the guidelines. So there's no obligation for them, you can't put a shell in there, they have voluntarily committed to that. And I can also say that the new land use bylaw come, presuming that the new land use bylaw be adopted and implemented, then there will be a requirement for new buildings to have an 18,000 meter system at that point. So

[1:27:49] Trustee McConchie: So it's interesting because we're talking about whether, you know, broadly, if the state, the local trust committee, should force folks to have to put in a sister, right?

[1:28:01] Trustee McConchie: Now, we're in a position right now where we're going on the intent of Dayton, and Dayton has every intent he wants to.

[1:28:07] Trustee McConchie: He's a super guy, and he wants to put in rainwater catchment, but he doesn't have to, right?

[1:28:12] Trustee McConchie: And then so he could potentially, in an alternate universe, or an applicant could just go ahead, build the structure, and then not have rainwater catchment, and then have a negative impact on the ecosystem, if you're following kind of thing.

[1:28:27] Trustee McConchie: And that was just something that I wanted to kind of discuss with you guys. Yeah, Dayton, go ahead.

[1:28:31] Voice 5: Yeah, I guess you would almost have to attach that to the title, because if we happen to all pass on and it goes to the next person, how do you regulate that?

[1:28:42] Voice 5: volunteer to do it because we've been on the island for years watching water tables and knowing

[1:28:48] Voice 5: that we don't need to have a backup system just like how do you how would you propose that to the

[1:28:58] Voice 5: next generation and the next generation

[1:29:00] Trustee McConchie: well yeah that's why it's like not the question isn't even

[1:29:03] Trustee McConchie: really necessarily about this application it's just kind of about what you know but

[1:29:07] Voice 16: the but the

[1:29:08] Voice 16: relevant but the relevant regulation is that what you're putting in your land

[1:29:13] Voice 7: so

[1:29:14] Voice 16: it's it's something that will come with every house over i forget what the criteria was but

[1:29:19] Voice 16: exactly but so this is something that they and let's be hypothetical in a couple of months

[1:29:26] Voice 16: any builder would have to do so

[1:29:28] Trustee McConchie: i'm just i

[1:29:30] Trustee McConchie: know i'm just highlighting like the political

[1:29:32] Trustee McConchie: philosophical question of whether the state should tell folks to put in stuff or can can

[1:29:38] Trustee McConchie: we continue to rely on the good folks of dayton you

[1:29:40] Voice 5: know you need your next yeah that the new

[1:29:44] Voice 5: buildings have to happen yeah i know

[1:29:46] Trustee McConchie: but that's what we're having in this discussion that's my

[1:29:48] Trustee McConchie: point is it's a feeling right

[1:29:50] Voice 7: now yeah yeah okay great my political answer to that is yes

[1:29:55] Voice 7: it is the state's responsibility for us to put those kinds of things in our bylaw

[1:30:00] Voice 7: We've tried to change the bylaw to do that because, well, we can rely on many of our,

[1:30:05] Voice 7: it's, we're never planning for the 99% of people that are going to do it.

[1:30:09] Voice 7: We're planning for the 1% of people on, you know, that are going to try and get around

[1:30:13] Voice 7: the rules with the state regulations.

[1:30:15] Voice 7: So ideally we educate everybody to the point that it's actually in everyone's best interest

[1:30:20] Voice 7: to do these kinds of things, but we also have to, you know, adjust for the person who's

[1:30:25] Voice 7: going to just trash it.

[1:30:27] Voice 7: And so, yeah.

[1:30:28] Voice 7: Yeah. So I think there's a little bit of that. This is a slightly different issue from my

[1:30:32] Voice 7: perspective because it's not just about rainwater storage. It's also about infiltration into the

[1:30:40] Voice 7: ground, slow infiltration into the ground. So like one of the best situations that we can have

[1:30:45] Voice 7: is if you have rainwater coming off your roof that you actually pour it into a gridded,

[1:30:51] Voice 7: like, what do they call that? A drain, like a rain garden. Yeah.

[1:30:56] Voice 3: Like a rain

[1:30:56] Voice 7: garden that like,

[1:30:57] Voice 7: we so we've done that off the back of our house for instance because we have cedar that was

[1:31:00] Voice 7: stressed so we pulled water off the house off the roof and funneled it into a rock bed around the

[1:31:07] Voice 7: cedar yeah right so those types of measures protect the flora in the area and they're very

[1:31:17] Voice 7: simple and low cost it's not like a big cistern it's like yeah so i

[1:31:21] Voice 5: farmed for 35 years yeah so

[1:31:24] Voice 7: i don't want

[1:31:24] Voice 5: water right now so

[1:31:26] Voice 7: like from my perspective we haven't necessarily written that

[1:31:30] Voice 7: kind of mechanism into our land use bylaw but those are essentially no cost because you still

[1:31:36] Voice 7: have to pull water out of the roof somehow if you don't want it falling off your roof in like giant

[1:31:40] Voice 7: waves so you just direct your gutters to a particular way but we don't necessarily have

[1:31:44] Voice 7: a mechanism to do that in our land use bylaw but it's good for exactly what was pointed out

[1:31:50] Voice 7: well

[1:31:50] Voice 5: that's the initial expense yeah yeah

[1:31:52] Voice 3: but then after that it doesn't taste

[1:31:54] Voice 5: for itself yeah

[1:31:55] Voice 3: or you raise this as as i think when our test will point out is your development permit

[1:32:01] Voice 3: guidelines haven't and that's something as we evolve land use bylaws one thing

[1:32:06] Voice 3: development current guidelines need to be looked at periodically and i don't think we put that

[1:32:11] Voice 3: climate change filter on those development permits for you know so yeah this

[1:32:17] Voice 3: is part of our evolution

[1:32:18] Voice 3: solution of things. So

[1:32:20] Voice 7: this application does flag for me though that maybe we should have it on the

[1:32:25] Voice 7: agendas starting in the new term to like revisit our DPAs in a

[1:32:29] Voice 7: project yeah that's actually a good

[1:32:31] Voice 7: idea so maybe we can flag that for our project list discussion later that we actually think about

[1:32:37] Voice 7: like what are the things that we could do in the next term around our DPAs to encourage these types

[1:32:43] Voice 7: types of nuances into the DPA.

[1:32:45] Voice 7: So that they're not actually just

[1:32:47] Voice 7: of the free and wonderful will of people,

[1:32:50] Voice 7: but that they're like,

[1:32:50] Voice 7: we have a mechanism for writing them into the DPA.

[1:32:54] Voice 7: Good catch on the biologist's front, personally.

[1:32:57] Voice 7: Any other questions

[1:32:59] Voice 3: or what

[1:33:00] Trustee McConchie: would you like to say?

[1:33:01] Trustee McConchie: Well, just getting back to the political,

[1:33:04] Trustee McConchie: philosophical conversation,

[1:33:05] Trustee McConchie: and I'm kind of being devil's advocate here

[1:33:07] Trustee McConchie: for my own thinking is,

[1:33:09] Trustee McConchie: but Dayton is an example of somebody

[1:33:11] Trustee McConchie: where the state doesn't have to impose its rules

[1:33:14] Trustee McConchie: because he wants to do it on his own goodwill

[1:33:17] Trustee McConchie: and people are becoming attuned to the environment

[1:33:20] Trustee McConchie: more than ever.

[1:33:21] Trustee McConchie: And so the question before the local trust committee

[1:33:23] Trustee McConchie: and for futures,

[1:33:24] Trustee McConchie: how much does the state impose its will

[1:33:26] Trustee McConchie: on creating environmental regulations?

[1:33:29] Trustee McConchie: Or can we rely on the goodwill of the citizens

[1:33:30] Trustee McConchie: to follow those on their own accord?

[1:33:33] Trustee McConchie: Well,

[1:33:33] Voice 3: we can have that conversation

[1:33:34] Voice 3: during the land use bylaw on that item.

[1:33:36] Trustee McConchie: It was just nice to see this come to life

[1:33:39] Voice 3: in

[1:33:39] Trustee McConchie: a real life setting.

[1:33:40] Trustee McConchie: So I just have one more question for Biologist Dan's here.

[1:33:43] Trustee McConchie: here, Dan Baxter here, is, so Dan, you know, did you, is this, in your professional opinion,

[1:33:52] Trustee McConchie: are we, by approving this, are we, this is a DPA area, I mean, it's supposed to be protected,

[1:34:00] Trustee McConchie: but 50% of the land's useless to Dayton for as far as using its house, because it's all in a DPA

[1:34:05] Trustee McConchie: area, you know, are we making the correct decision here, or should this land be preserved, and then

[1:34:11] Trustee McConchie: there and they should sell the property turn it into a park it's that special that's what i'm

[1:34:16] Voice 9: curious to know

[1:34:16] Voice 9: yeah well doesn't develop it there so this what he's doing is a really good balance

[1:34:23] Voice 9: between having his home and garage there in an area that's already been disturbed in the dpa

[1:34:28] Voice 9: and also making sure that the dpa is preserved as the ecosystem is so in my opinion just being

[1:34:36] Voice 9: on the coverage time that's my thing it's fine the way it is the way he

[1:34:43] Voice 9: manages his land

[1:34:48] Voice 16: just to follow up on what dan's saying and that we have to look back at the objectives

[1:34:52] Voice 16: of the development permit areas and they are not they are not to prohibit development they

[1:34:57] Voice 16: are not a red circle around development they're a management tool which is obviously for the

[1:35:02] Voice 16: protection of those sensitive ecosystems what dan has done by going there writing an excellent

[1:35:08] Voice 16: report and we put conditions in there is is doing that management ground tracing because

[1:35:14] Voice 16: it's well known that a lot of the development permit areas and that's where we have exemptions

[1:35:19] Voice 16: are they're not they weren't ground sheets when they were done so every lot we rely on biologists

[1:35:25] Voice 16: to go and inspect and make sure that there is actual ecosystems there so they we can't look

[1:35:31] Voice 16: at that map is an absolute certainty in terms of the ecosystem okay i

[1:35:37] Voice 4: have two questions i do find

[1:35:39] Voice 5: it odd and this is just my own opinion from being on the outside that you've mapped out these

[1:35:45] Voice 5: development permit areas and from me to that wall there's another argues and there's another reviews

[1:35:52] Voice 5: and another reviews outside of your mind yeah like why not blanket the entire

[1:36:08] Voice 16: that just speaks to the methodology of how the mapping was done dayton and now it was done at

[1:36:13] Voice 16: a high level and so basically using aerial photography and interpretation and that's

[1:36:18] Voice 16: why we rely on the development permit system and that's why we have exemptions so like for

[1:36:23] Voice 16: instance dan could have come to your property you could have had a piece of your property that had

[1:36:26] Voice 16: no trees on it and no you know so no ground cover that was indicative of the ecosystem

[1:36:31] Voice 16: and he could have written you a letter and you wouldn't be sitting there right now

[1:36:35] Voice 16: if you were building there so that's the way yeah

[1:36:38] Voice 5: i'll just say that yeah

[1:36:40] Voice 5: just weird how

[1:36:41] Voice 5: these lines are just drawn yeah that's

[1:36:45] Voice 9: definitely what we're asking

[1:36:46] Voice 7: so um so a couple things about

[1:36:49] Voice 7: this i have a couple questions but just to pick up on that before i ask so um i actually do think

[1:36:56] Voice 7: that one of the changes that we could make going forward in the future we didn't do it this term

[1:37:01] Voice 7: because we focused on the plan based bylaw review but we could actually take the approach that

[1:37:04] Voice 7: galliano did i think it was where they put a forestry dpa across the entire island and then

[1:37:10] Voice 7: anywhere where there's forest you actually have to ask because that solves some of our tree cutting

[1:37:14] Voice 7: problems we're using we're watching them to see what they do because there's challenges related

[1:37:19] Voice 7: to that so because anyway long story but there are some interesting ways that we could go forward

[1:37:24] Voice 7: on this um so i'm not actually against what you just said but um understanding this dpa and having

[1:37:30] Voice 7: walked up on those mckinnon properties before um they are super tricky to build this one is similar

[1:37:36] Voice 7: to the one that we did in magic lake i think where we had a uh woodland was it woodland or a dpa there

[1:37:43] Voice 7: was another one like this

[1:37:44] Trustee McConchie: near storm at the end yeah

[1:37:46] Voice 7: there was a big like dpa complicated on the

[1:37:49] Voice 7: property

[1:37:49] Trustee McConchie: the whole property

[1:37:50] Voice 7: so like it's similar in this because there's also a covenant area at

[1:37:55] Voice 7: the bottom end of the property that was what i was asking like why aren't you building on the

[1:37:58] Voice 7: bottom of the property um but it's very tricky like with the well and the covenant area to get

[1:38:04] Voice 7: the house and the septic system into that area so this is a good strategy i really want to take a

[1:38:11] Voice 7: moment and just say thank you for not cutting the trees before coming and talking to us okay

[1:38:17] Voice 7: Okay, because like literally we've been doing all of these retroactively and it's been incredibly frustrating. So this is one where you're actually coming before you start talking to me down and asking something that seems to me to be very visible and like well thought through with the biologists.

[1:38:35] Voice 7: So I don't have concerns about this. And I really want this to be clear to me. There are, what was it 17 or 19?

[1:38:43] Voice 5: 19

[1:38:44] Voice 7: right so there are 19 trees that are potentially being tapped in this request so it's not that

[1:38:52] Voice 7: we're saying never cut a tree on pender and what we're saying is come think it through

[1:38:58] Voice 7: talk to a biologist consider your options come with an

[1:39:01] Voice 7: appropriate okay so from my perspective

[1:39:04] Voice 7: this seems appropriate the question that i had for dan and i i got an answer earlier was

[1:39:09] Voice 7: was when do we say that, what was it, the language?

[1:39:15] Voice 7: It was effective or not too much intrusion

[1:39:19] Voice 7: onto the DPA has been done.

[1:39:22] Voice 7: That's always a judgment call, right?

[1:39:24] Voice 7: Like if you were asking to build a giant mansion

[1:39:27] Voice 7: across the DPA, then probably the answer is no,

[1:39:29] Voice 7: because that's like, what is the balance that we need

[1:39:32] Voice 7: between housing and the DPA?

[1:39:35] Voice 7: But this seems a reasonable ask

[1:39:36] Voice 7: ask for appropriate development on a piece of land of this size and, you know, you've thought it through.

[1:39:44] Voice 7: So I don't have any concerns about this. I do really encourage you to think about, in your build, to think about ways to spread out water on the ground for soil infiltration to address the issue.

[1:39:57] Voice 7: those rights yeah

[1:39:59] Voice 5: so

[1:40:01] Voice 7: um and also to flag that as something in the future dpas that we potentially

[1:40:07] Voice 7: can act like right now i'd

[1:40:10] Trustee McConchie: uh then on that note trustee morrison i'd like to make a motion that

[1:40:13] Trustee McConchie: north panner island local trust committee approved issuance of development permit mptp 2022.2 funk

[1:40:21] Voice 3: trustee morrison any discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor and that's buried so

[1:40:27] Voice 3: So thank you very much for coming today and good luck on your endeavor here.

[1:40:33] Voice 3: All right, trustees, we're on to the big project here.

[1:40:37] Voice 3: So this is page 81 of the agenda package.

[1:40:41] Voice 3: This is an exhaustive report by Planner Stockdell on a number of issues here in regard to the land use bylaw project.

[1:40:52] Voice 3: How would you like to proceed through this?

[1:40:55] Voice 3: do you want to do them one issue at a time as they're presented in the report does that work

[1:40:58] Voice 3: for you well

[1:41:00] Trustee McConchie: i'm sure planner stockdale has perhaps an overview that you'd like to give and

[1:41:04] Trustee McConchie: then um she's just getting on the phone and then i notice basically the the crux of it starts on

[1:41:08] Trustee McConchie: page 83 in the staff report did

[1:41:11] Voice 4: you actually call me on my work cell sure

[1:41:13] Trustee McConchie: okay all

[1:41:18] Voice 3: right we'll get

[1:41:18] Voice 3: Kleiner Stockton on this conversation figure

[1:41:26] Voice 4: out why the microphone of

[1:41:32] Voice 1: course can you

[1:41:37] Voice 5: hear me okay

[1:41:46] patience and I'll try to be as quick as possible before my lungs

[1:41:50] Voice 4: get out on me here but there are

[1:41:53] Voice 4: a few things that I just want to point out so the purpose of the staff report that I have in the

[1:41:59] Voice 4: agenda is to one recommend a public hearing for the three bylaws and also I've outlined a number

[1:42:09] Voice 4: of amendments the ltc can make but i really wanted to point out or just quickly discuss

[1:42:14] Voice 4: the process of the public hearing um so if the ltc does give a recommendation to move forward

[1:42:21] Voice 4: with public with a public hearing we wanted to ensure that the bylaws moving forward to public

[1:42:27] Voice 4: hearing are in their final format in terms of use and density the ltc cannot make in any changes

[1:42:37] Voice 4: to use and density after the close of the public hearing the only amendments the ltc could make

[1:42:44] Voice 4: to these bylaws is in terms of citing and size regulations so that being said if the ltc is still

[1:42:53] Voice 4: unsure of certain aspects of a bylaw in terms of use and density at this time i would not recommend

[1:43:00] men moving forward with the public hearing.

[1:43:03] Voice 4: There has been, as we know, discussion around

[1:43:06] agriculture as a permitted use in the rural residential two zone, and that's a part of

[1:43:13] bylaw 229, which accompanies bylaw 223. So there could be, we could separate these three bylaws

[1:43:21] into two processes. The LTC could move forward with bylaw number 224 because it doesn't need

[1:43:28] an ocp amendment and then if the lgc needs further clarification from the aapc in regards to bylaw 229

[1:43:37] 223 we can separate that process it would delay the process though for bylaw number 223 and

[1:43:45] Voice 4: bylaw number 229 um so that's really all i'm going to say right now because i think it's important

[1:43:52] Voice 4: Or just to reiterate that any decision on use and density should be done today or at the CIM on Saturday at the latest.

[1:44:01] If the LTC wants to move forward with a public

[1:44:05] Voice 4: hearing and scheduling that in September,

[1:44:07] Voice 4: we want to make sure that that bylaw is finalized before the notice for the public hearing goes out.

[1:44:12] Voice 1: So

[1:44:12] Voice 4: that's where I'm going to stop right now.

[1:44:14] Voice 4: And then we can discuss each topic that I've mentioned in the staff report.

[1:44:19] Voice 4: and i'm happy to provide a little overview or if they also see a specific questions about that

[1:44:23] Voice 4: topic i can answer them i

[1:44:26] Voice 7: have a couple quick questions related to process then uh kim so

[1:44:31] Voice 7: if we wanted to do a couple changes there are a couple changes that i have in my head

[1:44:36] Voice 7: that i would like to make just as last things um is it appropriate then so so what would be

[1:44:45] Voice 7: the process of doing that at the community information meeting on saturday just to give

[1:44:49] Voice 7: enough time to have the appropriate motion form um i don't necessarily want to do on the fly motions

[1:44:56] Voice 7: and changes today to the bylaw but if we could name those things that we wanted and get the

[1:45:02] Voice 7: appropriate motions written and do them on saturday is that appropriate yes

[1:45:08] Voice 4: that would work

[1:45:08] Voice 4: i can prepare some draft motions for you um to consider on uh at security's

[1:45:14] Voice 7: meeting okay is

[1:45:16] Voice 7: Is everybody going to be present on Saturday?

[1:45:18] Voice 7: So I would suggest for us today, if we can make some decisions

[1:45:23] Voice 7: on what those motions might be and suggest them to you,

[1:45:26] Voice 7: then we could pass them or consider them

[1:45:28] Voice 7: more deeply on Saturday.

[1:45:29] Voice 7: Would that be appropriate?

[1:45:30] Voice 7: Or would that be OK then?

[1:45:32] Voice 7: I'm

[1:45:32] Trustee McConchie: happy to make sure we do it properly.

[1:45:35] Trustee McConchie: Yeah,

[1:45:36] Voice 7: I am too.

[1:45:37] Voice 7: And I think some of the issues that we've

[1:45:40] Voice 7: been hearing in the correspondence and talking,

[1:45:43] Voice 7: I think that there are clear motions that can be made that are relatively simple.

[1:45:49] Voice 7: And then there are some issues that we might need to just bump out of this particular review process because they're too long.

[1:45:57] Voice 7: Like, so anyway, let's let's continue with the conversation and see where we get to.

[1:46:02] Voice 7: But that would be nice. Thank you very much. All right.

[1:46:05] Voice 3: So let's start going through this. So on page 83.

[1:46:11] Trustee McConchie: So, just to address what Planner Stockdale said, if we ask the AAPC for their opinion

[1:46:16] Trustee McConchie: on By-law 223 and By-law 229, it'll delay the project further.

[1:46:23] Trustee McConchie: So do we want to, you know what I'm

[1:46:25] Voice 1: saying, do we want to keep, well, no, I want to address

[1:46:28] Trustee McConchie: that because that's what she said.

[1:46:29] Voice 1: Yeah.

[1:46:29] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:46:30] Voice 9: So,

[1:46:30] Trustee McConchie: because I want, I mean, I could ask the members of the AAPC, might not get a conclusive

[1:46:34] Trustee McConchie: thing.

[1:46:35] Trustee McConchie: Do we, what are your guys' opinions on that?

[1:46:38] Trustee McConchie: Should we not delay any further?

[1:46:41] Voice 7: So my opinion on that is that it is better

[1:46:46] Voice 7: to take the cautionary approach right now

[1:46:48] Voice 7: of not having agriculture as a permitted use

[1:46:52] Voice 7: in RR2 zoning.

[1:46:55] Voice 7: And there possibly is also a motion related

[1:46:58] Voice 7: to how we address accessory buildings

[1:47:01] Voice 7: for horticulture inside RR2,

[1:47:04] Voice 7: but the explicit agricultural use in RR2 except for the ones that were recommended today which

[1:47:11] Voice 7: would be nice to get a motion around those like that our horticulture and specific livestock

[1:47:16] Voice 7: like specified uses are okay but general agricultural application to the RR2 seems

[1:47:22] Voice 7: potentially much bigger conversation that we need to move to the second term it just seems more than

[1:47:28] Voice 7: just a let's talk to the AAPC although I think that is a good move too but I think it's actually

[1:47:33] Voice 7: a bigger community conversation because it involves all the rr2 zoned land after we get

[1:47:38] Voice 7: that rr2 zoning set so i think that's a bigger conversation we should have in the next time

[1:47:43] Voice 3: i

[1:47:43] Trustee McConchie: agree

[1:47:44] Voice 7: but

[1:47:45] Voice 3: that's kind of in this section conversation so we can get

[1:47:49] Voice 3: to that one all right

[1:47:50] Voice 3: so we'll start with the first uh we'll just go through the order that is here so there's one

[1:47:55] Voice 3: one in regard to the bylaws before and the utility. Do you

[1:48:01] Voice 3: need to add any more there, Kim? Or do you guys have

[1:48:04] Voice 3: questions for him? And what's been presented that the North

[1:48:08] Trustee McConchie: Pender? It's the draft motion number one is that this is what

[1:48:11] Trustee McConchie: staff stated that the North Pender Island Local Trust

[1:48:13] Trustee McConchie: Committee proposed bylaw 224, cited as North Pender, etc, be

[1:48:17] Trustee McConchie: amended to add one pump utility shed with a maximum floor area

[1:48:21] Trustee McConchie: out of 10 square meters to section 3.1 yeah

[1:48:24] Voice 3: so that's the thing are you making that motion

[1:48:27] Trustee McConchie: yes

[1:48:28] Trustee McConchie: i'd like to make that motion is

[1:48:29] Voice 3: there a second yeah second by trustee morrison uh any discussion

[1:48:36] Voice 3: okay i'll call the vote oh sorry robin did you get that oh hopefully robin has it okay you got them

[1:48:43] Voice 3: okay um i'll call the vote all those in favor and that's carrie so the second item here is

[1:48:49] Voice 3: onto the agricultural buildings and their height um and two to four

[1:48:58] Voice 7: okay yes yeah so

[1:49:00] Voice 7: this one is

[1:49:01] Voice 7: where so given what has just been talked about today in the town hall i need to understand a

[1:49:08] Voice 7: little bit more cam about how accessory buildings or agricultural buildings are being mapped to the

[1:49:15] Voice 7: use of horticulture or other potential uses in the rr2 zone like if we decide not to have a broad

[1:49:23] Voice 7: reaching agricultural label put on rr2 but have very specified narrow uses can we also

[1:49:30] Voice 7: specifically specify a narrow agricultural accessory buildings too yeah

[1:49:37] Voice 4: i think if we do

[1:49:42] Voice 4: I'm sorry are you getting feedback a

[1:49:44] Voice 7: little bit okay

[1:49:49] Voice 4: I'm not sure where the feedback is

[1:49:53] Trustee McConchie: coming from keep going we can hear you clear what

[1:49:57] Voice 4: I would recommend in process processes here

[1:50:01] dealing with bylaw 223 and 229 which bylaw 229 would allow agriculture as a primary permitted

[1:50:09] Voice 4: use in the rural residential two zone but in terms of amendments that you could make to bylaw

[1:50:14] Voice 4: on number 224 you could put forward a motion that would amend rural residential zone one

[1:50:22] and rural residential zone two so it's explicitly clear that any accessory horticultural buildings

[1:50:30] or structures must not be greater than 4

[1:50:33] Voice 4: .6 meters in height yeah

[1:50:36] Voice 7: so that i would like to do that

[1:50:38] Voice 7: because then if we do that then if somebody wants to have a different building they have to come

[1:50:44] Voice 7: for an amendment right? A

[1:50:46] Voice 17: variance. A variance.

[1:50:49] Voice 7: Is that right? That's right. Okay so that's much

[1:50:53] Voice 7: better because then that what that does is it allows the community to have a conversation

[1:50:56] Voice 7: about specific RR2 land before it goes just automatically. It gets over the desk review

[1:51:02] Voice 7: problem for incident. Yeah okay.

[1:51:06] Voice 3: All right so that would that's a new motion that needs to be

[1:51:09] Voice 3: drafted or?

[1:51:10] Voice 7: Yeah so that's one that if we can potentially draft that motion and put it onto

[1:51:14] Voice 7: the saturday meeting would be extremely helpful

[1:51:20] Voice 3: so then draft motion number two

[1:51:26] Voice 3: so this one still needs is needed if

[1:51:33] Voice 4: you're wanting to limit the sorry i'm getting on my

[1:51:39] end if you're wanting to limit

[1:51:41] Voice 4: the the height of horticultural buildings of residential one

[1:51:45] Voice 4: two zones yes we need a new motion for that

[1:51:48] Voice 7: okay so can we have draft motion number two

[1:51:51] Voice 7: revise

[1:51:52] Voice 4: and brought back to

[1:51:53] Voice 7: us on Saturday to do the limit that you just suggested?

[1:51:57] Voice 7: Yeah, we can do that, or I can do that. Okay,

[1:51:59] Voice 1: great, thank you. Did

[1:52:00] Voice 3: we fix the feedback,

[1:52:01] Voice 3: or is it still bad? I think, unfortunately, it's just my

[1:52:06] Trustee McConchie: end. We can hear you clearly. It's all

[1:52:08] Trustee McConchie: good. We can hear you, Kim.

[1:52:10] Voice 3: All right, so number two gets passed on. So then we have the maximum

[1:52:15] Voice 3: floor area for agricultural permitted zones.

[1:52:19] Trustee McConchie: So just to be clear, we'll have a draft motion on

[1:52:22] Trustee McConchie: on Saturday, the 11 o'clock meeting,

[1:52:24] Trustee McConchie: start time community information meeting,

[1:52:25] Trustee McConchie: and then we can vote on that

[1:52:26] Trustee McConchie: to apply that to the public hearing.

[1:52:28] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, correct.

[1:52:29] Trustee McConchie: Okay, thank you.

[1:52:31] Voice 3: All right, so draft motion number three,

[1:52:37] Voice 3: is that still, okay.

[1:52:41] Voice 3: So this is, but this is related to number two.

[1:52:47] Voice 4: This is a motion or separate topic.

[1:52:51] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:52:52] Voice 4: The LTC requested information,

[1:52:55] excuse me from the aapc in regards to if the aapc would support um

[1:53:03] dwellings with a maximum floor area of 500 square meters on rules of law so i'm sorry that are

[1:53:10] greater than sorry on lots that are greater than 16 hectares or more and the aapc does support that

[1:53:18] motion so that's why i brought this motion forward all right

[1:53:21] Voice 7: so this is helping with um

[1:53:25] Voice 7: arms that are outside the ALR yeah

[1:53:27] Voice 3: I'll

[1:53:31] Trustee McConchie: make a motion that the North Pender Island local trust

[1:53:32] Trustee McConchie: committee proposed bylaw 224 set as North Pender Island land use bylaw number 224 2020

[1:53:37] Trustee McConchie: to be amended to permit dwellings with a maximum floor area of 500 square meters on rural zone

[1:53:41] Trustee McConchie: lands within an area of 16 hectares or greater

[1:53:43] Voice 3: second that second by trustee Morrison any

[1:53:46] Voice 3: discussion call the vote all those in favor that's carried the next one we're moving on to

[1:53:53] Voice 3: industrial zones so we

[1:53:58] Voice 4: do have a separate topic of discussing if agriculture should be

[1:54:04] permitted use in the rural residential two zone is that a discussion that the ltc wants to have now

[1:54:10] yes that's something you want

[1:54:12] Voice 4: to wait until after the ciam on saturday no

[1:54:15] Voice 7: i'd rather do it now

[1:54:17] Voice 7: because i think there's a motion related to that too that need we need to pass on saturday

[1:54:21] Voice 7: So what I really did appreciate the submission that we got that named out some alternative language for the narrower version of agricultural activity on our R2 land.

[1:54:40] Voice 7: land. So if we could have a draft motion around that, that does allow for horticultural and

[1:54:49] Voice 7: specified livestock uses and accessory buildings with the new accessory building motion that

[1:54:56] Voice 7: we just talked about. So 4.36 meters in height. That would be better. I do not think at this

[1:55:07] Voice 7: this moment it's appropriate for us to do a blanket agricultural use the same way we have

[1:55:12] Voice 7: agriculture use than others so limited agricultural use right now would be better yeah basically a

[1:55:19] Trustee McConchie: draft motion that would point what joy points or joyce points out uh and tom and karen in their

[1:55:26] Trustee McConchie: submission anyone who has a garden or keeps livestock who could claim they are conducting

[1:55:31] Trustee McConchie: a farm operation and avail themselves of the protection set out in the right to farm act

[1:55:36] Trustee McConchie: So that's what the intent is to prevent that from happening.

[1:55:40] Trustee McConchie: I want to prevent people from just protecting themselves in the Right to Farm Act.

[1:55:44] Trustee McConchie: So

[1:55:44] Voice 7: basically, it would be a limited use of RR2 land for horticulture, some livestock use as set out in the submission by Joyce, and a reduced accessory building size.

[1:55:58] Voice 7: And then all else would be prohibited unless there was a variance.

[1:56:09] Voice 7: Thank you so much.

[1:56:10] Trustee McConchie: like i guess so what was the original intent of this like it was like let's let everyone farm

[1:56:15] Trustee McConchie: so the cows come home and

[1:56:17] Voice 7: literally they

[1:56:19] Voice 7: can talk about it but i remember the conversation being

[1:56:21] Voice 7: that many people have adjacent land to their agricultural land that is a separate lot and

[1:56:28] Voice 7: they don't want to build a building on it to be able to use an accessory use so they wanted

[1:56:33] Voice 7: and primary use on it to be able to do something with it right and but it was actually pretty

[1:56:39] Voice 7: limited what people wanted to be able to do with that um so the biggest thing i think that we can

[1:56:46] Voice 7: do right now is if we specifically limit the accessory building on that land like have

[1:56:53] Voice 7: allow for a couple specified agriculture uses that seem reasonable for for now i think it's

[1:57:01] Voice 7: larger conversation we're going to need in the next term to expand that use but at least we can

[1:57:05] Voice 7: allow some uses of that um so that we have two ways to go here we can say it's too big of a

[1:57:12] Voice 7: conversation we don't have it right now right we can say we allow some uses right now understanding

[1:57:19] Voice 7: that it's still a bigger conversation and we need to go forward and kick it back to the aapc or

[1:57:25] Voice 7: Or we can say that we, you can do any agricultural,

[1:57:29] Voice 7: but you must limit and put a cap on the accessory building

[1:57:32] Voice 7: because it seems like an accessory building

[1:57:34] Voice 7: is the sort of potential problem right now.

[1:57:37] Voice 7: So I think those are our choices with the moment.

[1:57:42] Voice 7: So I don't know, thoughts on what you wanna do?

[1:57:46] Trustee McConchie: I agree with you that it is, we've opened up a big,

[1:57:50] Trustee McConchie: this issue has brought a bigger, broader conversation

[1:57:53] Trustee McConchie: that needs to happen.

[1:57:54] Trustee McConchie: yeah that's

[1:57:54] Trustee McConchie: what i agree with but planner stock bill would you be able to prepare a draft motion

[1:57:58] Trustee McConchie: that some summarizes what trustee morrison is discussing on saturday yeah

[1:58:03] Voice 4: i can draft something

[1:58:04] Voice 4: this afternoon and circulate it to the ltc and

[1:58:07] Trustee McConchie: then we can okay yeah

[1:58:08] Voice 7: my hesitation with going

[1:58:10] Voice 7: completely no of like we don't use we don't apply any kind of agricultural use on those lots because

[1:58:19] Voice 7: Because the AAPC has highlighted as the problem already, right, currently, and we don't want

[1:58:24] Voice 7: to spend another three years or

[1:58:25] Voice 7: something not dealing with anything related to that.

[1:58:28] Voice 7: However, we've also identified that there is problems with people misusing, like land

[1:58:35] Voice 7: right now around that.

[1:58:36] Voice 7: So the simplest motion at this moment might be to say you can allow agriculture, like

[1:58:45] Voice 7: like specified uses of agriculture

[1:58:48] Voice 7: and limit the accessory building size.

[1:58:51] Voice 7: It doesn't preclude somebody from coming back and saying,

[1:58:53] Voice 7: hey, I want a variance for this right now

[1:58:55] Voice 7: and saying they want more intensive agricultural use.

[1:58:59] Voice 7: Well, we have a larger congregation,

[1:59:02] Voice 7: but it sort of takes a more conservative approach to it.

[1:59:07] Trustee McConchie: Well, my intent would be to preserve

[1:59:09] Trustee McConchie: the beauty of the island.

[1:59:11] Trustee McConchie: and it's not beautiful on a in this small neighborhood to allow that size of an accessory

[1:59:18] Trustee McConchie: building it seems to me like this we need to close up the loophole that folks are able to get around

[1:59:23] Trustee McConchie: so i'd be ready to move on that um on saturday i i mean i guess we could have a broader conversation

[1:59:32] Trustee McConchie: but it's a no-brainer for me i mean heard from george pointed out that you can't make much money

[1:59:36] Trustee McConchie: farming here on pender um so what what are we doing by by keeping things the way they are

[1:59:43] Trustee McConchie: is that is that really preserving the island preserving and protecting i don't think so yeah

[1:59:49] Voice 7: so yeah i guess the one other piece about that is that there are other kinds of farming that

[1:59:55] Voice 7: you can be doing on small pieces of land that

[1:59:59] Voice 1: there

[2:00:00] Voice 7: And you still can have small accessory buildings.

[2:00:04] Voice 7: So yeah, it's just how you know, I don't necessarily want to create an extra amount of paperwork

[2:00:09] Voice 7: for farmers, because that is expensive.

[2:00:13] Voice 7: So it's a dilemma of like, so Kim, if you can come up with a couple different versions,

[2:00:17] Voice 7: because we can hear community feedback on Saturday about this issue, and then if you

[2:00:23] Voice 7: can come up with a couple different versions, maybe one motion that is, you know, to work

[2:00:29] Voice 7: more toward Joyce's submission and one that's maybe just limiting the accessory building size

[2:00:35] Voice 7: but allowing the other agricultural uses I agree with the issue that if we name it as agricultural

[2:00:41] Voice 7: land we might instigate all these other rules um come into play so I need feedback from the

[2:00:49] Voice 7: community and folks in that space about how that impacts us so if you can maybe put a couple

[2:00:54] Voice 7: alternative motions it together and then we can talk about it on saturday thank you okay

[2:01:02] Voice 3: is that good for that cultural conversation for now i'm seeing i

[2:01:08] Trustee McConchie: think so yeah okay good

[2:01:10] Voice 3: so now on to the industrial zones it's on around page 84 of the agenda package if anyone's

[2:01:15] Voice 3: following along

[2:01:16] Voice 4: um

[2:01:17] Voice 3: so this is in regard to additional use of a contractor yard

[2:01:29] Voice 3: or kim hang in there

[2:01:31] Voice 3: camp um sorry

[2:01:39] Voice 4: no we're

[2:01:42] Voice 3: thinking well

[2:01:44] Trustee McConchie: i there was a lot of questions

[2:01:46] Trustee McConchie: at the community information meeting regards i'll just share my perspective with regards to the

[2:01:52] Trustee McConchie: direction of the local trust committee with regards to industrial lands and the new proposals

[2:01:58] Trustee McConchie: and i wasn't in the position to properly uh explicate that mainly because uh with the

[2:02:05] Trustee McConchie: proposal was brought forth by yourself trustee morrison and uh yourself chair patrick so i was

[2:02:11] Trustee McConchie: not in a position to answer that and i also want to point out that ann and mike uh submitted today

[2:02:16] Trustee McConchie: day that they also wanted to have some permitted uses. I believe it was E, F, and I, if I remember

[2:02:23] Trustee McConchie: my alphabet correctly. And I want to, so maybe I was hoping maybe perhaps you guys could take the

[2:02:29] Trustee McConchie: lead on this.

[2:02:31] Voice 3: Well, let's go through the pieces here. So this first is about 3418 South Otter

[2:02:36] Voice 3: Bay Road, the old golf excavating site.

[2:02:41] Trustee McConchie: So I just want to let you know what I did. So I met with

[2:02:44] Trustee McConchie: with the property owners and they told me

[2:02:47] Trustee McConchie: that they wanna keep things the way they are

[2:02:49] Trustee McConchie: and they're not clear on the intent

[2:02:51] Trustee McConchie: of what the proposals of the local trust committee was.

[2:02:54] Trustee McConchie: I said, please contact your other trustees

[2:02:56] Trustee McConchie: because I'm not sure either,

[2:02:58] Trustee McConchie: but Jim and the Allen family and the wine family

[2:03:02] Trustee McConchie: both stated that they wanted to keep things the way they are

[2:03:06] Trustee McConchie: that they're reliant upon that income

[2:03:09] Trustee McConchie: and that helps support the elder.

[2:03:12] Trustee McConchie: Sorry, I don't mean to sound,

[2:03:13] Trustee McConchie: i don't know if that's an appropriate word that she's in her 90s the

[2:03:16] Trustee McConchie: wine uh the mother who lives

[2:03:18] Trustee McConchie: in a home and they're relying upon that income in the home was the argument they gave so why

[2:03:24] Trustee McConchie: would you change things and upset can you just wait a couple years so

[2:03:28] Voice 3: i'm

[2:03:29] Trustee McConchie: paraphrasing yeah

[2:03:30] Voice 3: adding the contractor yard solves that understanding is that correct uh

[2:03:35] Voice 7: so right now it

[2:03:38] Voice 7: it would rezone the property and just reduce

[2:03:40] Voice 7: to community service, which would only permit the audience.

[2:03:43] Voice 7: Okay, so the part of this comes to like a conversation

[2:03:47] Voice 7: we had like three years ago of like,

[2:03:50] Voice 7: is there, do we have adequately zoned property

[2:03:55] Voice 7: on the island for waste transfer

[2:03:57] Voice 7: and other community services?

[2:03:59] Voice 7: And it's not about any single owner.

[2:04:01] Voice 7: It's about making sure that we have lands

[2:04:04] Voice 7: that are appropriately used.

[2:04:05] Voice 7: it wouldn't change their current use what it would do is it puts it to community service it adds

[2:04:11] Voice 7: contract PR so they can continue on their current use um so they have the zoning to be able to do

[2:04:17] Voice 7: the things they're doing on that land but it also allows for future use of waste management there

[2:04:23] Voice 7: are other types of recycling or whatever so that we have more than one place zoned um for that type

[2:04:30] Voice 7: of use because we we've run into like what is it eight years of like challenges in having enough

[2:04:36] Voice 7: land zone for waste transfer that we don't have to like fight it out when land gets sold and so

[2:04:44] Voice 7: my preference in this moment when we have the land use by lab going on would be to have a couple

[2:04:50] Voice 7: pieces of land have waste transfer on them so that we have some options depending on who is going to

[2:04:57] Voice 7: allow it but not to inhibit the current owners on their current activity of what they're doing

[2:05:02] Voice 7: just to allow a little bit more options in the future so that's my goal not to say you have to

[2:05:08] Voice 7: put it there but to allow the option for it to be there okay

[2:05:13] Trustee McConchie: so they don't they didn't understand

[2:05:14] Trustee McConchie: that it's the concern i have so that needs to be communicated to them um and i'm not even sure that

[2:05:24] Trustee McConchie: they would still want to have the ability to have waste transfer maybe they don't want that i don't

[2:05:28] Voice 7: they don't need to do it if they don't want to do it

[2:05:31] Trustee McConchie: yeah i guess what i'm at quite really the

[2:05:33] Trustee McConchie: logic where i'm going down is do we listen to the property owners or do we make our own

[2:05:39] Trustee McConchie: determination as an ltc because right now their stance and their only correspondence

[2:05:42] Trustee McConchie: and the communication has been no don't do this so the case needs to be made to them

[2:05:48] Trustee McConchie: what you just articulated and it hasn't been is what i'm saying yeah

[2:05:52] Voice 7: so i'm happy to have that

[2:05:53] Voice 7: conversation with them my job in this moment from the land use bylaw is to plan

[2:05:57] Voice 1: for the community

[2:05:58] Voice 1: be more broadly not for the same i mean speaking to the property owners they

[2:07:07] Trustee McConchie: they were concerned

[2:07:08] Trustee McConchie: that i mean they don't want to deal with the legalities of the of like they're not even

[2:07:14] Trustee McConchie: interested in touching that as a property like they're like they're they say we gave them the

[2:07:20] Trustee McConchie: zoning their their response from what i understand i don't know why i'm speaking on behalf of the

[2:07:25] Trustee McConchie: applicant i'm just trying to reiterate because i have a meeting with them is they were saying

[2:07:29] Trustee McConchie: saying we don't we not even interested in waste management

[2:07:32] Voice 7: because

[2:07:33] Trustee McConchie: of legal yeah

[2:07:34] Voice 7: they don't have

[2:07:34] Voice 7: to then

[2:07:35] Trustee McConchie: why then but i'm asking why we're doing it because

[2:07:37] Voice 7: we need to have as part of our local

[2:07:41] Voice 7: government responsibility is we need to have some places zoned not just on temporary use permits

[2:07:47] Voice 7: for waste management we are still in a situation where we don't do not have waste management yeah

[2:07:54] Voice 1: don't understand i

[2:07:56] Voice 3: i think one of the things is that we have a lot of zoning that is so site

[2:07:59] Voice 3: specific it's like what am i doing today and that's what the zoning is and what this is is

[2:08:05] Voice 3: just broadening the use i get to keep doing what i'm doing today but maybe someone 20 years from

[2:08:11] Voice 3: now wants to it just allows that use so that that person doesn't have to come back and rezone it for

[2:08:18] Voice 3: that use it has a broader set of uses than today

[2:08:21] Voice 7: i'm i'm going to go ahead and make this motion

[2:08:25] Voice 7: HAB-Masyn Moyer- And we can put it up or put it down, but I do think that this is a solution it's not the perfect thing necessarily be great if we all have like.

[2:08:34] Voice 7: HAB-Masyn Moyer- visually all use properties and agreed to them in particular ways, but this has been a fairly long discussion about having multiple.

[2:08:43] Voice 7: like options for this type of waste transfer zoning and I just do feel that we need it I

[2:08:50] Voice 7: I have one question for the planner before doing this so we went back and forth about whether this

[2:08:56] Voice 7: was industrial with waste transfer ability on it or whether it was commercial or sorry uh community

[2:09:03] Voice 7: service with uh the other way around with contractor yard on it so can you refresh my

[2:09:11] Voice 7: memory on this one of why it's the community service version with the contractor yard versus

[2:09:17] Voice 7: industrial with the waste management this

[2:09:19] Voice 4: was direction from the ltc that you wanted it

[2:09:23] Voice 4: to be considered a community service where perhaps down the road the crd would

[2:09:29] Voice 7: actually take you on

[2:09:30] Voice 4: that

[2:09:30] Voice 7: was why so that

[2:09:31] Voice 4: was direction from the ltc

[2:09:33] Voice 7: yeah in reality

[2:09:34] Voice 4: though the name of the zone

[2:09:36] doesn't matter it's the uses permitted that matter

[2:09:41] Voice 7: because there are other things that

[2:09:45] Voice 7: apply to the zone once the zone is named a particular way okay this service second zone

[2:09:56] right now those three uses the waste transfer commercial composting recycling reuse and if

[2:10:04] you pass draft motion number four it would allow the contractor use so

[2:10:07] Voice 4: only those four uses okay

[2:10:09] Voice 7: Okay, so I'm gonna put these motions forward

[2:10:13] Voice 7: and then we'll have the community information meeting,

[2:10:17] Voice 7: the next community information meeting

[2:10:19] Voice 7: and just go from there

[2:10:20] Voice 7: and see if we have to do a revision on that.

[2:10:24] Voice 1: So

[2:10:24] Voice 7: I'm gonna move that the North Pender Island

[2:10:26] Voice 7: Trust Committee, apparently I'm boring my classes,

[2:10:31] Voice 7: Proposed By-law number 224,

[2:10:34] Voice 7: cited as North Pender Island Land Use By-law

[2:10:37] Voice 7: on number 224 2022 be amended to allow contractor uh contractor yard use on 3418 south otter bay

[2:10:45] Voice 7: road in addition to the uses is outlined in the community service so all

[2:10:50] Voice 4: right is there a second

[2:10:52] Voice 7: any

[2:10:52] Voice 3: discussion well

[2:10:55] Trustee McConchie: i can't support the motion because the property owners i mean i like i

[2:11:00] Trustee McConchie: totally understand your intentions morrison the intent is to provide services for the community

[2:11:04] Trustee McConchie: and that's awesome i totally agree with that but you can't i mean look at what happened at the

[2:11:09] Trustee McConchie: port washington store you know you can't like it just it sits there the intent is to have a little

[2:11:15] Trustee McConchie: coffee shop for 250 people you can't force people to to do something they don't they're not intending

[2:11:20] Trustee McConchie: to do so it's kind of i'm i'm i can't i'm not sure i can support something where when the property

[2:11:27] Trustee McConchie: owner has no intent of doing it so i'm kind of like well then you did you apply for rezoning

[2:11:34] Trustee McConchie: on your own you take it why why why are we put in the position where we're like come on now really

[2:11:41] Trustee McConchie: get it together we're trying to give you a little nudge here but they're getting they're saying no

[2:11:46] Trustee McConchie: so i'm it's kind of awkward is what i'm saying but i get your point um i think but maybe your

[2:11:54] Trustee McConchie: perspective is like treating this like it's public lands when it's private land and the private land

[2:12:02] Trustee McConchie: owners just want to keep it the way it is and they have they have no so we're zoning something in

[2:12:07] Trustee McConchie: with good intentions that won't be acted on you know

[2:12:10] Voice 7: what i'm saying yeah and my intent in this

[2:12:12] Voice 7: and i i don't know how else to say it to make myself understood about this but my intent is

[2:12:16] Voice 7: to telegraph that if they sell it there is an intent like to potential buyers that this could

[2:12:22] Voice 7: be used as a community site for these things because it's not in this moment that it will

[2:12:28] Voice 7: matter it's when the land transfers if it ever transfers to another person that it will matter

[2:12:34] Voice 7: because we're

[2:12:34] Voice 7: telegraphing a potential thing that is more consistent with our community plan that we

[2:12:40] Voice 7: actually have waste management somewhere on this island i

[2:12:44] Trustee McConchie: know exactly and so position i totally

[2:12:46] Trustee McConchie: totally agree with you I just it's like telegraphing folks to do stuff just especially with industrial

[2:12:54] Trustee McConchie: land it just hasn't gone well like that's the history of the island politics for 20 years

[2:13:00] Trustee McConchie: and my political position on this industrial land is this is not for the government to sort out

[2:13:07] Trustee McConchie: the part of the problem we're in this mess is because folks don't get along with each other

[2:13:12] Trustee McConchie: and the government has been forced to put its nose into this issue right and i'm i'm of the

[2:13:19] Trustee McConchie: perspective is like why can't they you know they can't figure it out on their own this question

[2:13:25] Voice 7: i agree with

[2:13:26] Voice 7: you about that mostly except from a local government point of view we have to have

[2:13:31] Voice 7: waste transfer facilities there is an obligation that we have as as local government not as the

[2:13:35] Voice 7: trust of the local government under the local government to provide somewhere where we have

[2:13:40] Voice 7: waste transfer it is actually an environmental issue not to have that because then like if in

[2:13:45] Voice 7: the think about what happened when we had the situation where there was nothing and garbage

[2:13:50] Voice 7: starts to collect and people are like then what happens like do people just go off and throw it

[2:13:54] Voice 7: in the forest

[2:13:54] Trustee McConchie: it's the public's help me out is the public local government has a legal obligation to

[2:14:02] Trustee McConchie: provide waste transfer zoning on the island well let's say everything shuts down let's say we're

[2:14:08] Trustee McConchie: a random hypothetical universe garbage shuts down which

[2:14:11] Trustee McConchie: has happened and then that's r on us

[2:14:15] Trustee McConchie: we

[2:14:15] Voice 16: don't there's no obligation for you to do that i mean for instance they can obey they don't allow

[2:14:21] Voice 16: certain uses right so and they don't zone for certain so i don't think there is i mean you

[2:14:27] Voice 16: may feel a moral obligation or a political obligation towards that towards the community

[2:14:32] Voice 16: but there's no absolute that says you have to go and zone one and i just want to add one little

[2:14:37] Voice 16: we'll quip here that may be useful.

[2:14:39] Voice 16: And this is an old adage of planning

[2:14:41] Voice 16: is the basic adage of planning.

[2:14:42] Voice 16: You plan for the use, you don't plan for the user.

[2:14:44] Voice 16: Yeah, that's it.

[2:14:46] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:14:46] Voice 7: It's basic.

[2:14:47] Voice 7: So I want a clarification on that

[2:14:49] Voice 7: because we're not Oak Bay, we're on an island.

[2:14:52] Voice 7: Well, no, no,

[2:14:53] Voice 1: no, no, no, no, no, no,

[2:14:54] Voice 7: no, no, no, no, no, no,

[2:14:54] Voice 1: just let me

[2:14:55] Voice 7: finish, let me finish.

[2:14:56] Voice 7: So, but like on an island,

[2:14:59] Voice 7: like for us not to have waste transfer

[2:15:02] Voice 7: is a totally different issue than Oak Bay.

[2:15:05] Voice 7: So, and thanks for the clarification

[2:15:06] Voice 7: that it's not a legal obligation because that was my understanding actually that it was a legal

[2:15:10] Voice 7: obligation maybe it's just the CRD has framed it that way for us um because basically like

[2:15:16] Voice 7: yeah and I don't necessarily want

[2:15:18] Voice 16: to wait on this but my my understanding there's no obligation for

[2:15:21] Voice 16: you to zone anything in any way and it's it's it's an evolution right and um I don't think

[2:15:28] Voice 16: other than the province stepping in at that level and insisting on you having a certain use and

[2:15:35] Voice 16: probably that as local government you're obliged to do that but Kim may want to comment on that

[2:15:41] Voice 16: she's still here maybe she's gone no

[2:15:45] Voice 3: she's here just so she's having this feedback occurring

[2:15:48] Voice 3: well I

[2:15:51] Voice 7: would say that given our island nature I also feel like politically motivated to have some

[2:15:58] Voice 7: like combination of places that can be used as waste transfer and management because it's not

[2:16:04] Voice 7: just about having garbage collect and move off it's about recycling and internally using materials

[2:16:10] Voice 7: too and having yards that can be used that way and that site just because of the historical

[2:16:15] Voice 7: disturbances on that site is a good site for that so yeah

[2:16:19] Trustee McConchie: i don't disagree with you i mean this

[2:16:20] Trustee McConchie: would just be the first time i'd be voting against the request from a landowner on principle but this

[2:16:26] Voice 3: solves their problem by allowing them to keep doing that was

[2:16:31] Voice 3: the specific request was we want

[2:16:32] Voice 3: keep doing what we're doing no

[2:16:33] Trustee McConchie: i i totally i'm understanding and agreeing with what you're saying

[2:16:36] Trustee McConchie: just i'm mainly asking about politeness i guess

[2:16:41] Voice 1: i don't

[2:16:43] Trustee McConchie: know they they either don't understand this

[2:16:46] Trustee McConchie: right to write the letter they did to say they don't want any changes

[2:16:51] Trustee McConchie: i'm just wondering do you want to then vote on this draft motion uh which is then essentially

[2:16:58] Trustee McConchie: saying well we think better than we have a better idea of how to run your land than you do i'm not

[2:17:05] Voice 7: telling them i have a better idea i'm by voting on no i

[2:17:08] Voice 7: don't

[2:17:10] Trustee McConchie: understand yeah i guess but you

[2:17:12] Trustee McConchie: understand my point i

[2:17:13] Voice 7: understand okay just want to make clear and

[2:17:14] Voice 7: i i i understand that there is

[2:17:18] Voice 7: a certain amount of like it's great for you to come to the meeting because we don't have time

[2:17:22] Voice 7: to visit every single person about every single issue and a very complicated land use bylaw review

[2:17:26] Voice 7: So it's great for people to come and voice here where we can have that discussion instead of me having to go out to every site and have those conversations and I appreciate that you've been doing that.

[2:17:36] Voice 7: But it does put you in a situation where, like, having a single person name things that we can't have that more community conversation so hopefully there'll be a meeting on Saturday and we can have that conversation.

[2:17:48] Voice 7: So,

[2:17:50] Voice 7: So did I read that in?

[2:17:52] Voice 7: Yeah, the motion's on the floor.

[2:17:53] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:17:53] Voice 7: So I understand that you're in a situation

[2:17:56] Voice 7: and that we are in a situation

[2:17:57] Voice 7: where we have correspondence

[2:17:59] Voice 7: where people don't necessarily want that.

[2:18:00] Voice 7: To me, this is a compromise motion

[2:18:02] Voice 7: where we're allowing them to continue their current use.

[2:18:05] Voice 7: We're not demanding that they use it in any other way.

[2:18:07] Voice 7: We're just opening the potential for the future

[2:18:09] Voice 7: that it can be used back.

[2:18:13] Voice 3: Any further debate?

[2:18:16] Trustee McConchie: No, I'm talking to death here.

[2:18:18] Trustee McConchie: I'm just thinking.

[2:18:19] Trustee McConchie: I mean, yeah, I don't know.

[2:18:24] Voice 3: we can still revisit this if there's any yeah

[2:18:27] Trustee McConchie: i know i'd like to i definitely want to revisit it

[2:18:29] Voice 3: yeah

[2:18:29] Trustee McConchie: i would just be more confident voting for the motion if they they were on if they said

[2:18:33] Trustee McConchie: specifically they're awkward that's all i'm saying yeah

[2:18:36] Voice 7: that to me is good

[2:18:37] Trustee McConchie: governance right yeah i

[2:18:38] Voice 7: totally understand that so

[2:18:39] Trustee McConchie: okay um so we could we could get a draft motion i don't even know

[2:18:44] Trustee McConchie: so but you have a motion on the table on the

[2:18:46] Voice 3: floor right here and then

[2:18:48] Trustee McConchie: we have seconded it's been

[2:18:50] Voice 3: second so it's

[2:18:51] Trustee McConchie: not dry it's the draft that we're bringing to right

[2:18:53] Voice 3: now we're in debate of this

[2:18:55] Voice 7: motion

[2:18:55] Trustee McConchie: exactly so

[2:18:56] Voice 7: we could um to your point if you

[2:18:59] Voice 7: want to we could defer this to saturday right

[2:19:02] Voice 7: yeah

[2:19:03] Trustee McConchie: that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying i think so

[2:19:05] Voice 7: just make a motion to defer

[2:19:06] Voice 7: i'd

[2:19:06] Trustee McConchie: like to make a motion to defer to this motion to um saturday the community information meeting

[2:19:12] Trustee McConchie: all

[2:19:12] Voice 3: right seconded robin you got that so it's been deferred to saturday that is not a motion

[2:19:19] Voice 3: it's a non-debatable motion yeah all those in favor and that's great thank

[2:19:24] Trustee McConchie: you all right so

[2:19:26] Voice 3: the next one is uh 4606 razor point road and this is about this does not permit any accessory uses

[2:19:38] Voice 3: So this is about allowing the book search.

[2:19:41] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:19:42] Voice 7: So this is the one that Anne talked to today about having,

[2:19:45] Voice 7: and yeah, I think it is.

[2:19:51] Voice 7: And also that Michael talked to about any changes we make relative to what has already

[2:19:59] Voice 7: been changed in the ALR, by the ALR.

[2:20:05] Voice 7: So I have a couple questions because there's a history on this related to different agencies loading things at different times and like, so I need confirmation in writing before I can make motions on this that the ALR has approved the exclusion and inclusion, so that this is not.

[2:20:29] Voice 16: So, Mike, what I can tell you today is, as I indicated earlier, is that the land has been approved for exclusion, but they have a series of conditions that they have to follow in order for that to be finalized.

[2:20:43] Voice 7: What are those conditions?

[2:20:44] Voice 16: I don't have them in front of me.

[2:20:46] Voice 16: Fence and trees.

[2:20:47] Voice 7: And trees

[2:20:48] Voice 16: are already being dropped.

[2:20:50] Voice 9: All the fences and things.

[2:20:52] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:20:53] Voice 7: So and but so I would like to see the approval letter. So that's the one thing that

[2:21:01] Voice 7: I would like to see before I do this. And I actually think we need this motion slightly

[2:21:06] Voice 7: altered to address the comments that and made this morning because I don't think they that

[2:21:11] Voice 7: this motion addresses the issues. So can we get a redraft on this motion Kim to include

[2:21:20] Voice 7: include, what was it now? It was accessory buildings. And I'll have to look up the E and F issue.

[2:21:29] Voice 7: But basically to

[2:21:30] Voice 7: allow for the 5.10 E, F, and I. E

[2:21:36] Voice 2: is indoor storage. Okay.

[2:21:41] Voice 2: I is the accessory

[2:21:44] Voice 2: reduces buildings and structures yeah oh and after the vote okay

[2:21:50] Voice 7: so if we can just get a

[2:21:53] Voice 7: redraft of the motion to include the ef and i in this motion and if i can have that letter

[2:21:59] Voice 7: from the alr and then i'll feel more confident about moving that okay i

[2:22:08] Voice 4: do want to just make

[2:22:09] a note to the ltc that i mean there's this is still in consideration but you can allow

[2:22:14] indoor storage that's beyond boats and trainers so indoor storage is really intended for um like um

[2:22:23] losing i can't seem to think of the term but um paid storage right to pay put your

[2:22:33] mattress and something away and then use f includes not only storage of boats and trailers

[2:22:39] but also motor vehicles and recreational vehicles.

[2:22:43] So the LTC should be very aware of what other uses

[2:22:48] Voice 4: you'd be permitting if you were to allow E, F, and I.

[2:22:51] Voice 7: So can you specify,

[2:22:55] Voice 7: maybe not use the E, F, and I language,

[2:22:57] Voice 7: but specify the indoor storage related to boats,

[2:23:01] Voice 7: like the F storage of just boats and trailers

[2:23:04] Voice 7: and the eye for the accessory building?

[2:23:11] Voice 7: If it

[2:23:11] Voice 4: really just accessory uses,

[2:23:13] Voice 4: buildings and structures, that would be...

[2:23:16] Voice 7: But will that allow for storage

[2:23:18] Voice 7: inside those accessory buildings?

[2:23:22] Voice 4: Will the Zona over...

[2:23:29] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:23:30] Trustee McConchie: But your intent, Mr. and Mrs. Burdette,

[2:23:33] Trustee McConchie: is to just have a building

[2:23:35] Trustee McConchie: where you put your life jackets

[2:23:36] Trustee McConchie: and some stuff related to books.

[2:23:38] Voice 2: Covers over the books.

[2:23:38] Voice 2: Covers

[2:23:39] Trustee McConchie: over the books.

[2:23:39] Voice 2: You know, we've been told that...

[2:23:42] Voice 1: that that's

[2:23:43] Voice 2: illegal if somebody comes in with their boat that if they put a carton over their

[2:23:49] Voice 2: boat that that is not allowed that's a structure and it's not allowed um so

[2:23:55] Trustee McConchie: bold storage right now

[2:23:56] Trustee McConchie: it doesn't it just means you take a boat put it on a trailer and put on a piece of land

[2:23:59] Trustee McConchie: and you don't cover it

[2:24:00] Voice 10: basically we're told that when we brought the power and we plugged into it

[2:24:04] Voice 10: we wouldn't be allowed to do a single thing on the other end of that right so

[2:24:07] Trustee McConchie: so they want to

[2:24:09] Trustee McConchie: you guys want to put the storm boats but cover the boats and heaters and anything else and heater

[2:24:15] Voice 3: that keeps

[2:24:16] Trustee McConchie: the boat from getting mold in it so then then is there a here's the concern i have

[2:24:21] Trustee McConchie: is some other good intended folk decide to that well a boat i'm storing a boat or let's say

[2:24:27] Trustee McConchie: permitted use on a different land permit like they build a structure that's not like is the

[2:24:32] Trustee McConchie: definition of the structure of a boat storage structure clear is what i'm asking like the

[2:24:39] Voice 5: there's there's no actually definition there's the correct

[2:24:41] Voice 5: yeah this

[2:24:43] Voice 11: is the thing okay so

[2:24:46] Voice 7: okay so um yeah so i totally understand what you're saying kim so the accessory building

[2:24:52] Voice 7: though i was really about having the shed with the electricity right yes okay so that seems important

[2:25:01] Voice 7: um is there a way to add definitions or clarifications to allow for the other pieces

[2:25:07] Voice 7: pieces that Anne and Mike have concerns about like around, you know, temporary structures over

[2:25:19] Voice 7: boats when they're being stored or that type of thing. Is there a way to add some definitions so

[2:25:24] Voice 7: that doesn't have violent enforcement problems?

[2:25:26] Voice 4: Yeah, you could add the use of covered storage

[2:25:30] Voice 4: for boats and trailers and then you could have a maximum height requirement. Okay. Provide wording

[2:25:38] Voice 4: around that can

[2:25:39] Voice 7: you provide a few options for that and then i think that's a more narrow way

[2:25:44] Voice 7: forward but that keeps the use and makes it practical and all of that so and um can i

[2:25:51] Voice 7: suggest perhaps that like you and ann have a conversation to make sure that that fits the

[2:25:55] Voice 7: needs that you have like so that those things are working together as opposed to like we're

[2:26:00] Voice 7: having to iterate 10 000 times on this that'd be good okay um because isn't that the only place we

[2:26:08] Voice 7: have this boat storage no no

[2:26:11] Voice 7: oh where is that where else is close to it all all the investors

[2:26:14] Voice 19: we've given it to everybody who's invested in it it's a committed use in the general

[2:26:19] Voice 19: did we

[2:26:26] Voice 7: intend to do that i didn't intend to do that

[2:26:32] Trustee McConchie: we're having that discussion right now

[2:26:34] Voice 7: trust me i did not intend to do that so yeah that's interesting this

[2:26:39] Trustee McConchie: was a concern raised

[2:26:40] Trustee McConchie: that the community information needs

[2:26:41] Voice 7: yeah that was not go

[2:26:42] Trustee McConchie: ahead sorry well

[2:26:43] Voice 10: to that point when

[2:26:47] Voice 10: you put that on braden braden can't even doesn't even have the room no vehicles off the road

[2:27:00] Voice 7: yeah okay so that has never been my intent to do that so somehow that could where we were

[2:27:05] Voice 7: just communicating there's like a lot of details in this land use bylaw and as we've gone back and

[2:27:09] Voice 7: forth it seems like we've overstepped one there yeah yeah no

[2:27:14] Voice 7: no i'm with you so okay

[2:27:19] Trustee McConchie: we're eventually getting to that yeah

[2:27:21] Voice 7: so where is that here that i don't see it because we're

[2:27:27] Voice 7: talking specific uses right now on specific pieces of property so that's what i'm understanding maybe

[2:27:32] Trustee McConchie: planner stockdale this might be a good opportunity to give an overview of what are the proposed

[2:27:36] Trustee McConchie: changes to industrial land are north pendant for the land use bylaw consolidating the two current

[2:27:46] zones that bylaw number 103 has there's two industrial zones we're combining that into one

[2:27:52] general general industrial use and then above that there are also still right now i can't go

[2:28:02] through the list and spend time doing that but generally the trying

[2:28:10] Voice 4: to reduce these site-specific

[2:28:12] Voice 4: zones and to allow more uses in the general industrial zone

[2:28:17] Voice 4: so

[2:28:19] Trustee McConchie: the current proposal is

[2:28:20] Trustee McConchie: to allow for more to the industrial land to be utilized in various ways that might not be the

[2:28:27] Trustee McConchie: intent of what the current use of the land is that's the current proposal so is that um uh

[2:28:34] Trustee McConchie: is that something that the global trust committee is comfortable doing this is a question

[2:28:37] Trustee McConchie: we should probably discuss right now so

[2:28:40] Voice 7: my understanding was that we were pulling out

[2:28:42] Voice 7: a lot of the industrial conversations and only these site-specific things were the things that

[2:28:47] Voice 7: were changing because there was not consent like consensus about how we were addressing industrial

[2:28:53] Voice 7: land on pender so i am surprised by that so well

[2:29:00] Trustee McConchie: okay i what like i said in previous meetings

[2:29:03] Trustee McConchie: i've kind of backed off the the industrial discussion uh just and perhaps it's something

[2:29:10] Trustee McConchie: between now and saturday you could really get to the nitty-gritty uh because but you know i i

[2:29:18] Trustee McConchie: wanted to be respectful of the lead that you guys followed on where we're going with this so uh yeah

[2:29:24] Voice 7: but at the last time that we talked about industrial land my understanding was we were

[2:29:30] Voice 7: doing only a couple specific things related to the boat storage related to the waste management

[2:29:34] Voice 7: And then all else we would leave as is for future LTCs to talk about because there wasn't consensus on our front about doing anything.

[2:29:45] Voice 7: So, changes about creating a general industrial is not something that I'm for right now.

[2:29:52] Trustee McConchie: so plan plan of stockville were you aware of that just i mean are you aware like so the

[2:30:00] Trustee McConchie: standing is Trustee Morrison is not, you know, is not, is surprised to hear that these changes

[2:30:07] Trustee McConchie: are taking place. So I'm wondering if we miscommunicated or can you refer to a motion

[2:30:13] Trustee McConchie: in previous meetings where we discuss this? I don't have this on hand, but this bylaws

[2:30:17] draft format

[2:30:19] Voice 4: for at least a month now in the general industrial zone has been there. So I

[2:30:31] i don't know what i mean i

[2:30:33] Voice 1: could go back to no it's it's it's okay

[2:30:35] Voice 4: from the ltc

[2:30:37] Voice 7: yeah i'll have

[2:30:39] Voice 7: to retrace it kim because there there have been i know we've been focusing on specific pieces

[2:30:45] Voice 7: and maybe in the focus on specific pieces i've just overlooked that the general industrial is

[2:30:51] Voice 7: in there so um that could easily be on me but i i do remember sometime in the spring that when we

[2:31:00] Voice 7: came up against this that we backed off the industrial generally because there isn't consensus

[2:31:05] Voice 7: so yeah it could

[2:31:07] Voice 7: be you didn't make a motion well

[2:31:09] Trustee McConchie: but but it just so we're clear i'm not in favor

[2:31:12] Trustee McConchie: of giving the all general industrial to these these owners no

[2:31:18] Voice 9: i'm not and so then

[2:31:19] Trustee McConchie: is we need to not allow that

[2:31:23] Voice 9: yeah great

[2:31:24] Trustee McConchie: can we do that now

[2:31:27] Trustee McConchie: Now, I

[2:31:29] Voice 3: think this this was one of the early conversations we had a long time ago.

[2:31:33] Voice 3: Industrial

[2:31:34] Trustee McConchie: land is not part of the very much hasn't been part of the dialogue in the past couple months.

[2:31:40] Trustee McConchie: So that's

[2:31:41] Voice 3: this was very early. This was back pre-COVID.

[2:31:45] Trustee McConchie: So can we

[2:31:46] Trustee McConchie: make a motion to remove?

[2:31:47] Voice 4: Let's hear what. Go ahead.

[2:31:49] Trustee McConchie: I want to

[2:31:49] Voice 4: state that I think there's one across the road. I'm sure it could help me out.

[2:32:02] Voice 16: not the hydro the highways highways built the highways

[2:32:07] Trustee McConchie: i think why does highways need a car

[2:32:10] Trustee McConchie: wreckage so

[2:32:11] Voice 7: sorry i need to just be very very clear in this moment so kim can you say specifically

[2:32:16] Voice 7: there's only three properties that this would affect do you have these

[2:32:22] Voice 4: with you right now

[2:32:33] Voice 19: Yeah,

[2:32:34] Voice 7: so there are more than, so there's more, there's also an industrial piece of property

[2:32:38] Voice 7: that's on Hanson land, like there's a specific piece of industrial land there, there is,

[2:32:46] Voice 7: there's more industrial land, so I just need to be crystal clear about where these pieces

[2:32:52] Voice 7: the land are and like where they're affected because if um and yeah let's just

[2:32:59] Voice 3: be sure

[2:33:01] Voice 3: you're

[2:33:02] Voice 16: talking about the draft one right kim yeah yeah so yeah

[2:33:08] Voice 3: this is the gi zone gi

[2:33:13] Voice 3: yeah so my uses are described in

[2:33:17] Voice 16: the courtyard this is the hardware this is a site-specific

[2:33:22] Voice 16: So that is, how

[2:33:25] Voice 7: do I know this is site specific, it

[2:33:27] Voice 16: has a D after it okay

[2:33:29] Voice 7: so this is only this

[2:33:32] Voice 7: one property here,

[2:33:33] Voice 16: that's so these two are the portion of these two properties right

[2:33:37] Voice 16: there.

[2:33:37] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:33:37] Voice 16: And then there can be said there's one other one that wasn't safe specific is that correct.

[2:33:42] Voice 11: No, sorry, those are the two.

[2:33:44] Voice 16: Just the two. So just the portions of those two properties are not safe.

[2:33:48] Voice 16: Oh, there is?

[2:33:49] Voice 4: Let's go on the website and have a look. There's three.

[2:33:52] Voice 19: Okay, so...

[2:33:53] Voice 19: They're being added to Gentleman Dust Dome, not the main road. There are three, and they're all on the same side of Fort Washington.

[2:34:00] Voice 19: So

[2:34:01] Voice 16: there's a GIA here?

[2:34:03] Voice 19: We think there's been a mistake in the map.

[2:34:06] Voice 19: So

[2:34:06] Voice 16: the map that we have here, it does not show the opposite?

[2:34:09] Voice 16: it's

[2:34:10] Voice 19: still one of the smaller bylaws oh like

[2:34:13] Voice 16: one of the one of the attachments

[2:34:15] Voice 16: and

[2:34:16] Voice 19: it's it's got a red line of a property okay

[2:34:23] Voice 4: yeah i know it's we i know they don't even know that okay okay

[2:34:30] Voice 7: so so let's just go back to the

[2:34:33] Voice 7: the general industrial 149 package

[2:34:39] Voice 3: has the uses the gi so

[2:34:49] Voice 7: my understanding of i went up and talked

[2:34:52] Voice 7: to everyone in that fort wash corridor at one point and this was like last year and basically

[2:35:01] Voice 7: the all near consensus in that area was that people want industrial land rezoned parcel by

[2:35:08] Voice 7: parcel in that area not as a general blanket so i am not for a general industrial um area because

[2:35:16] Voice 7: there was just the road and the farm the organic farm near there and there's just been a lot of

[2:35:22] Voice 7: arguments made against that so i am actually not for that so um i would not like to have that i'd

[2:35:29] Voice 7: like it all to be site specific so

[2:35:31] Trustee McConchie: that's that's great to hear okay

[2:35:33] Voice 7: i wasn't sure yeah so what

[2:35:35] Voice 7: motion do you

[2:35:35] Voice 7: need to make to make that happen to just have it all industrial land just be site

[2:35:40] Voice 7: specific and go from there well

[2:35:43] Trustee McConchie: we'd have to address each piece of land on on its own basis

[2:35:47] Trustee McConchie: correct planner stock bill i believe yeah

[2:35:50] Voice 4: yeah

[2:35:51] Trustee McConchie: so now let's just we can just verbally talk for

[2:35:53] Trustee McConchie: it right now phone hardware doesn't want to get rezoned to commercial the braden wants to get his

[2:36:01] Trustee McConchie: zoning in but he it's a truck parking nightmare there right

[2:36:07] Voice 7: now but that's a

[2:36:08] Voice 7: whole other question

[2:36:09] Voice 7: so my argument is not that we should specifically in this land use bylaw review go through and do

[2:36:16] Voice 7: this zoning the statement at the time like by the folks in that area at the time was that

[2:36:22] Voice 7: they want people applicants to bring forward individual industrial rezoning if they want to

[2:36:26] Voice 7: change at not in this timeline yeah so i would the exception being resolving whatever long historical

[2:36:37] Voice 7: issues there were related to the boat storage down on bedwell and the waste management those

[2:36:43] Voice 7: were the only two things that i actually wanted to change in the industrial land right now because

[2:36:49] Voice 7: they were larger right

[2:36:50] Trustee McConchie: so you wanted to so then you just want to take the industrial thing off

[2:36:54] Trustee McConchie: the table i do okay and a stock dealer you and then put it in the hands of their of islanders

[2:37:02] Trustee McConchie: plan of stock till you catch that designation to industrial the

[2:37:28] Voice 4: second is to remove any general

[2:37:32] industrial uses from i

[2:37:35] Voice 4: think it's brandon's property and also the property so so yeah

[2:37:41] Voice 4: so

[2:37:42] Voice 7: what we would be doing basically and so i think that you're right that that's what would have to

[2:37:47] Voice 7: happened in the land use by law where we're

[2:37:49] Voice 1: at right now

[2:37:49] Voice 7: but basically the intent would be

[2:37:54] Voice 7: current zoning in those areas of industrial land with the exception of the specific parcels that

[2:38:02] Voice 7: we name out would remain as it is right now

[2:38:07] Voice 16: can i just ask me so braden doesn't have industrial

[2:38:11] Voice 16: zoning right now in september right

[2:38:12] Voice 7: and the argument up in that area was that he should

[2:38:15] Voice 7: should have to apply for it and like ask everybody for for what is and

[2:38:19] Voice 19: then he should have to go

[2:38:20] Voice 7: through the community process to do that

[2:38:22] Voice 8: yeah

[2:38:23] Voice 7: yeah and the property next

[2:38:25] Voice 8: door that's on right

[2:38:26] Voice 7: now that's a big problem so like i think all of those things should have to be so the consensus

[2:38:32] Voice 7: in that space when i talked to all of the neighbors in that region and that we heard from

[2:38:36] Voice 7: the farm in that region is that people don't want us to do it in the land use bylaw they want

[2:38:41] Voice 7: want site specific like corrections on that or like applications for that so they can have a

[2:38:47] Voice 7: deeper conversation with everybody at the time if

[2:38:50] Trustee McConchie: we take it off now then that means that they'll

[2:38:53] Trustee McConchie: the next set of trustees will have to deal with it correct

[2:38:56] Trustee McConchie: it would be an

[2:39:07] Voice 7: application it wouldn't be a project and that was the request was the

[2:39:13] Voice 7: that people do industrial land applications, instead of making

[2:39:17] Voice 7: any a big project, with the

[2:39:19] Voice 7: exception of making sure that we

[2:39:22] Voice 7: have waste transfer, and that we have the longer term issue that

[2:39:25] Voice 7: was down on the waterfront.

[2:39:29] Trustee McConchie: I mean, yeah, like park parking, I'm just worried about safety.

[2:39:33] Trustee McConchie: And that's

[2:39:33] Voice 7: the issue. That's the concern.

[2:39:35] Voice 7: He will, I'm

[2:39:37] Trustee McConchie: relieved to hear that this is your position,

[2:39:39] Trustee McConchie: trustee Morrison, that's, that's great. Because I think I

[2:39:41] Trustee McConchie: I don't like I've said many times, I don't think violence trust has any role in trying to, you know, manage this.

[2:39:49] Trustee McConchie: It's up to the applicants to work with the trust, come to the trust on a case by case basis.

[2:39:56] Trustee McConchie: So that's I agree with that.

[2:40:00] Trustee McConchie: So let's plan a stock deal. Do we need to make a motion to get rid of the general industrial uses from the proposed properties in the bylaw?

[2:40:10] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[2:40:10] Voice 7: okay

[2:40:12] Trustee McConchie: i do want to make that motion nerd so

[2:40:13] Voice 7: what does that need to sound like so that it works

[2:40:15] Voice 7: for you kim to like get the intent that we just described well

[2:40:19] Voice 4: we need to actually name the two

[2:40:21] Voice 4: cells there's

[2:40:28] Trustee McConchie: there's there's three properties aren't there like there's the main roads contractor

[2:40:32] Trustee McConchie: yard what well but i'm wondering and sorry it's okay i thought it's because that was a mapping

[2:40:41] Trustee McConchie: mapping errors but

[2:40:42] Voice 5: it's in there but it's

[2:40:43] Trustee McConchie: literally so we need to

[2:40:44] Trustee McConchie: clarify i

[2:40:45] Voice 5: think kim

[2:40:47] Voice 2: is confused with brave and sarah's being one property and not two

[2:40:57] Voice 2: okay

[2:40:58] Voice 7: so what i would

[2:40:59] Voice 7: like what i would like is if you could draft a motion

[2:41:05] Voice 7: looking very carefully at the properties all along the side of the road with

[2:41:11] Voice 7: the hardware store to ensure that anything that is currently general industrial is not listed as

[2:41:20] Voice 7: general industrial yeah

[2:41:22] Trustee McConchie: great that's specific i second that the

[2:41:26] Voice 4: ocp designation of industrial

[2:41:29] Voice 4: it's east of the hardware that's

[2:41:33] Trustee McConchie: the mistake no so i think the what's east there east

[2:41:37] Trustee McConchie: is like

[2:41:38] Trustee McConchie: Like the undeveloped lot.

[2:41:40] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:41:40] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:41:41] Trustee McConchie: The groomers didn't ask for it.

[2:41:43] Trustee McConchie: I don't know.

[2:41:43] Trustee McConchie: We are confused why this is even on the discussion.

[2:41:48] Trustee McConchie: It's just this random piece of land with like a trailer there or something.

[2:41:51] Voice 7: No, but originally, I remember the conversation.

[2:41:53] Voice 7: This was like at the very beginning of this project,

[2:41:56] Voice 7: there was a thought to move the concrete plant up there

[2:42:00] Voice 7: and have it as an industrial hub.

[2:42:03] Voice 7: So that's why this conversation started this way.

[2:42:06] Voice 1: That's right.

[2:42:06] Voice 1: and

[2:42:07] Voice 7: so i spent time talking to all those animals in that

[2:42:09] Voice 7: region and there was not a consensus and

[2:42:12] Voice 7: there's actually the opposite yeah like a desire to do that yeah yeah

[2:42:16] Voice 7: so it's just a remnant that

[2:42:17] Voice 7: we've just not focused on very well so apologize ken so um yes so the yes we would want to be

[2:42:25] Voice 7: removing the industrial um in this land use bylaw any industrial zoning that was not already in our

[2:42:33] Voice 7: existing industrial zoning in that yeah thank you great

[2:42:41] Trustee McConchie: thanks for clarifying that that's great

[2:42:46] Voice 18: sorry for the oversight earlier have

[2:42:52] Trustee McConchie: we is that clear have you got a clear direction from us

[2:42:56] Trustee McConchie: staff yes okay

[2:42:58] Trustee McConchie: thanks hang in there planners can i

[2:43:01] Voice 7: just just for clarity's sake um can i

[2:43:06] Voice 7: Can I can I make sure that we have that in the notes very explicitly that this particular

[2:43:12] Voice 7: conversation because we haven't made a motion per se, the motions are going to come forward

[2:43:15] Voice 7: on Saturday, but just a really clear statement in our minutes about this because we've missed

[2:43:20] Voice 7: it multiple times.

[2:43:22] Voice 8: So just that

[2:43:24] Voice 7: we are removing general industrial from the land use by law, so the current zoning

[2:43:30] Voice 7: zoning in our current bylaws. Yeah. Yeah.

[2:43:39] Voice 7: So that the zoning in the port wash area that

[2:43:43] Voice 7: is industrial

[2:43:43] Voice 8: is

[2:43:47] Voice 7: is like it is now in

[2:43:48] Voice 8: the port. Yeah.

[2:43:53] Voice 7: So we're going back to site specific

[2:43:54] Voice 7: zoning.

[2:43:55] Trustee McConchie: So the property inside Braden's property, what's going on with that?

[2:44:00] Voice 7: It's it had the

[2:44:01] Voice 7: potential for being industrial but was never industrial so right now they are actually in

[2:44:05] Voice 7: bylaw uh if somebody submits a bylaw complaint they're actually because

[2:44:08] Trustee McConchie: everybody got a septic

[2:44:10] Trustee McConchie: trunk there but

[2:44:10] Voice 7: nobody submitted a complaint so we're in a little bit of a conundrum of like

[2:44:18] Voice 7: yes so that would be really good

[2:44:20] Voice 7: yeah we can't do it but that's a good point so we should well

[2:44:25] Trustee McConchie: speak to sarah and i'll encourage her to become compliant and we'll find out how about that okay

[2:44:31] Voice 7: all right i actually have talked to them too i talked

[2:44:33] Voice 7: to sarah and told her to not have those

[2:44:35] Voice 7: vehicles on there until she had a permit so okay

[2:44:40] Voice 3: so on to uh the next issue which is the um uh

[2:44:53] Trustee McConchie: this

[2:44:53] Voice 3: is on page 84.

[2:44:55] Trustee McConchie: this is the port washington store yeah

[2:45:04] Voice 7: Can I just throw some thoughts on this one?

[2:45:06] Voice 7: Sure, absolutely.

[2:45:07] Voice 7: Okay, so this one as well, like after our last meeting,

[2:45:13] Voice 7: I wanted just to walk away and think about this one a little bit

[2:45:16] Voice 7: from the conversation.

[2:45:18] Voice 7: I actually think that this one should be a site-specific application.

[2:45:24] Voice 7: If we're going to change the zoning,

[2:45:26] Voice 7: I don't think that we as an LUB have enough of a

[2:45:29] Voice 7: community incentive

[2:45:30] Voice 7: to change the zoning there,

[2:45:32] Voice 7: that it should be the applicant

[2:45:34] Voice 7: has to come into the community as an individual.

[2:45:36] Voice 7: It's not that I agree or disagree

[2:45:39] Voice 7: with it going to residential or commercial,

[2:45:41] Voice 7: but I do think it's actually something

[2:45:44] Voice 7: that we need to have an individual application

[2:45:46] Voice 7: on to focus a conversation

[2:45:47] Voice 7: instead of putting it into this larger review.

[2:45:50] Voice 7: So I actually think that we should pull this one out,

[2:45:54] Voice 7: leave the zoning as it currently is

[2:45:55] Voice 7: and make the applicant have it

[2:45:59] Voice 7: as a separate special request

[2:46:01] Voice 7: request if they want to do this change in zoning because I actually do have some concerns about

[2:46:06] Voice 7: removing commercial zoning out there and I think that it has to be a good individual argument made

[2:46:11] Voice 7: by the applicant to the community about why that should

[2:46:14] Trustee McConchie: okay so I agree with you now let's let's

[2:46:16] Trustee McConchie: play devil's advocate with what the folks that I've talked to particularly

[2:46:20] Trustee McConchie: landowner who just

[2:46:21] Trustee McConchie: sold the land

[2:46:22] Voice 5: the

[2:46:23] Trustee McConchie: uh landowner who sold the land stated um that look at the struggles that some

[2:46:30] Trustee McConchie: areas have had the central commercial area is the driftwood even though our ocp does state we should

[2:46:35] Trustee McConchie: spread out commercial areas um it's never going to be used as commercial land uh it's not there's

[2:46:42] Trustee McConchie: no proper business plan that you could put in place that would do it that's what that property

[2:46:46] Trustee McConchie: owner said also the um now that property's been sold to the new property owner who the physician

[2:46:54] Trustee McConchie: and he's saying he would want to just have a specific site he wants the zoning to be approved

[2:47:02] Trustee McConchie: and only be able to build on a site-specific spot so he couldn't he couldn't then take advantage

[2:47:08] Trustee McConchie: and build like residents on the shed on the foreshore or whatever mr sketch's point about

[2:47:14] Trustee McConchie: first nations is a gooder because um i don't really quite know what they think like if that

[2:47:20] Trustee McConchie: was a big site and with the refer and we are and there is a good point mr sketch has about tacking

[2:47:26] Trustee McConchie: this on that you're talking about now the concern i have obviously is that we've gone ahead with

[2:47:32] Trustee McConchie: lots of meetings discussing that this is a potential this is a potential and then now

[2:47:36] Trustee McConchie: we're going to come and say you know and and that will that would potentially hamper their

[2:47:44] Trustee McConchie: their plans to move here to live here and then at the end of the day let's say we go through this

[2:47:49] Trustee McConchie: rigmarole next term you know five years from now we end up in the same spot and the guy ends up

[2:47:54] Trustee McConchie: with the house you know but

[2:47:56] Trustee McConchie: you're saying because it's kind of you're arguing it's procedurally

[2:47:59] Voice 1: we

[2:47:59] Trustee McConchie: haven't followed the proper procedure it's being rushed through is the concern and there's

[2:48:04] Trustee McConchie: a court case history where we spent a bunch of money against what we're then going for

[2:48:09] Trustee McConchie: so it's

[2:48:10] Trustee McConchie: a weird one we should

[2:48:11] Voice 7: be using our general approach to land use bylaw reforms here that we're

[2:48:16] Voice 7: doing there's no specific community incentive to change it it's an individual property owner

[2:48:22] Voice 7: incentive so they should come forward with an individual well

[2:48:24] Trustee McConchie: the community incentive is that

[2:48:26] Trustee McConchie: the that area becomes i mean according to the proposal the parking lot and where the school

[2:48:31] Trustee McConchie: bus is it becomes like a safer because that's a huge transportation hub for the gulf island

[2:48:35] Voice 5: students

[2:48:35] Trustee McConchie: you know that so yeah i

[2:48:38] Trustee McConchie: mean that could shore it up potentially uh and and make it a

[2:48:43] Trustee McConchie: little bit safer for cars to park and kids to hit their school bus but I hear you and I hear

[2:48:52] Trustee McConchie: the process is being going through quickly yeah

[2:48:54] Voice 7: I wouldn't say this process is quick because we've

[2:48:57] Voice 7: been three years yeah

[2:48:58] Trustee McConchie: but but

[2:48:59] Voice 7: the information we've heard back is mixed it's not clear like

[2:49:04] Voice 7: we have the property owner saying one thing but there's other people in the community saying other

[2:49:07] Voice 7: things so I actually think it just needs to be pulled out

[2:49:10] Trustee McConchie: essentially well what do you think

[2:49:13] Trustee McConchie: chair patrick

[2:49:16] Trustee McConchie: everybody counted this on salt spring well

[2:49:19] Voice 3: yeah i mean it's it's this you're this zoning you're

[2:49:22] Voice 3: doing is on behalf of community so i mean i you have to have a direct sway is the benefits of

[2:49:28] Voice 3: what you're discussing about straightening out the parking in that area worthy of a

[2:49:35] Voice 3: you know community rezoning uh or is

[2:49:39] Voice 1: the benefits so much

[2:49:40] Voice 3: to the landowner that

[2:49:41] Voice 1: yeah there should

[2:49:42] Voice 3: be a proper rezoning yeah um that is an application that goes through its

[2:49:47] Voice 3: process so i'm going to you two have the greater experience with the conditions properly so that's

[2:49:52] Voice 3: my question back to you is is the community benefit worth including this have you seen

[2:49:58] Trustee McConchie: their plans planner stock deal like are they like if you know because this is this is a couple

[2:50:04] Trustee McConchie: sentences that i'm reading that this is their intent to really make the so the reason why we

[2:50:09] Trustee McConchie: use it in community needs because it's potentially a safer parking lot but is that true is that they

[2:50:14] Trustee McConchie: made a plan to show that because i haven't seen anything like that you

[2:50:18] Voice 4: know we don't have the

[2:50:18] Voice 4: official yeah yeah

[2:50:19] Voice 7: so that would force that kind of official plan if we do it as an individual

[2:50:23] Voice 7: application but they don't have to do that as part of this process so that's mentioned how much

[2:50:30] Trustee McConchie: what does it yeah there was

[2:50:31] Voice 4: a trap plan put together which they would be saying there

[2:50:45] Voice 7: there's no obligation okay um

[2:50:49] Trustee McConchie: i hear i'm gonna i'm gonna have to go and agree with you on this

[2:50:51] Trustee McConchie: one trustee morrison yeah so

[2:50:54] Voice 3: do we need a motion to then remove this yeah for the site i'm seeing

[2:51:00] Voice 3: a yes from yeah encourage

[2:51:02] Trustee McConchie: the applicants uh well like trustee morrison she came up with the logic

[2:51:06] Trustee McConchie: Yeah,

[2:51:07] Voice 7: so I don't know that we actually, so what is the current state of it?

[2:51:16] Voice 7: Because the motion

[2:51:16] Voice 7: makes it actually included, but is the current state just that it wouldn't be included?

[2:51:31] Voice 4: Okay,

[2:51:32] Voice 7: let's do that.

[2:51:32] Voice 7: So I move that the North Kender Island Local Trust Committee have property 1200-1201 Port Washington Road retain its site-specific commercial zoning, commercial C1, right?

[2:51:50] Voice 18: Commercial 1C1, I think it is.

[2:51:52] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:51:54] Voice 18: Right,

[2:51:55] Voice 7: let me let Robin catch that.

[2:51:59] Voice 7: Yeah, so I moved the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee, have property 1200

[2:52:05] Voice 18: and 1201 Port Washington Road, retain its site-specific

[2:52:15] Voice 7: commercial one C1 zoning. C1A actually is what it says here, C1A zoning.

[2:52:22] Voice 9: In the, yeah,

[2:52:26] Voice 7: can you add that piece, the North Pender Island land use bylaw?

[2:52:31] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:52:41] Voice 4: All right, you got that one.

[2:52:47] Voice 4: all right is there

[2:52:49] Voice 7: a second to that second

[2:52:49] Voice 5: motion any

[2:52:50] Voice 7: discussion no thanks for all the

[2:52:52] Voice 7: conversation the community has had around that i think it is helpful to clarify i'll call the

[2:52:57] Voice 3: vote then all those in favor and that's carried all right so was that it i was like wait a minute

[2:53:07] Voice 3: are there any other outstanding issues

[2:53:13] Voice 4: you

[2:53:21] Voice 3: or yeah deb's just checking her yeah no everything else

[2:53:25] Voice 7: is covered i think we got

[2:53:27] Voice 7: everything yeah i think we got everything else well

[2:53:32] Trustee McConchie: at least everything that's highlighted in

[2:53:33] Trustee McConchie: the staff yeah

[2:53:33] Voice 1: yeah

[2:53:34] Voice 3: yeah so does anyone have anything else like

[2:53:38] Trustee McConchie: as far as the land use by

[2:53:39] Trustee McConchie: any

[2:53:39] Voice 3: other changes we need to think about right now this is this is our chance as as uh uh

[2:53:45] Voice 3: uh by the

[2:53:47] Trustee McConchie: end of day

[2:53:47] Voice 3: saturday we want to have a version that we're comfortable with moving

[2:53:52] Voice 3: forward too um yeah

[2:53:54] Trustee McConchie: yeah for sure so just a couple um so it's great we're getting the

[2:53:59] Trustee McConchie: park we're turning that into a park at the end of magic lake so that's that's awesome

[2:54:04] Trustee McConchie: um but i wanted to also talk about the mckinnon road property um just reading over the report

[2:54:11] Trustee McConchie: yesterday I'm just like 23 units it's I mean I know the applicants have come

[2:54:18] Trustee McConchie: down in numbers

[2:54:20] Trustee McConchie: but you know one of my motivations for getting involved in the trust was when I saw the currents

[2:54:27] Trustee McConchie: go up

[2:54:27] Voice 5: I

[2:54:28] Trustee McConchie: was like man you know that's uh that sure changed the landscape of the island um now it's a

[2:54:38] Trustee McConchie: really successful timeshare place and all that uh but i mean the 23 units is a lot of units

[2:54:47] Trustee McConchie: i i'm still not clear how they would be able to prove water under the current zoning wondering

[2:54:55] Trustee McConchie: if we should go lower with the number of permitted units uh 23 units would change the rural character

[2:55:07] Trustee McConchie: So that was just one thing I wanted to highlight and discuss with you guys if you're comfortable with allowing the tides to continue it's.

[2:55:16] Trustee McConchie: Well, although they did come down from 59 units, which was nice.

[2:55:22] Trustee McConchie: And, you know, I'm not opposed to them running a, you know, a nice, as they describe an eco resort.

[2:55:32] Trustee McConchie: work i'm not sure exactly what that means um but i'd be i'd be willing to know your guys's thoughts

[2:55:40] Trustee McConchie: about reducing the density even further because i'm

[2:55:44] Trustee McConchie: not sure how it came up with the number to

[2:55:45] Trustee McConchie: begin with yeah because

[2:55:46] Trustee McConchie: it's like pulling 59 like what you know

[2:55:48] Voice 7: well

[2:55:49] Trustee McConchie: what is a unit considered i

[2:55:51] Trustee McConchie: guess yeah right what is a unit commercial accommodation unit

[2:55:55] Voice 16: yeah like an individual

[2:55:58] Voice 16: no i

[2:55:59] Voice 16: don't think there's ever a size attached to it yeah

[2:56:03] Voice 7: yeah so one of my

[2:56:06] Voice 7: yeah so how many

[2:56:08] Voice 7: i got two questions there one is like how many units did we end up with on mechanic road in

[2:56:14] Voice 7: total was it it wasn't just 23 it's 23 on that property right that's

[2:56:18] Trustee McConchie: 23 in total if i'm correct

[2:56:20] Trustee McConchie: planner stock bill it's

[2:56:23] Voice 7: now 28 for those 28

[2:56:25] Trustee McConchie: because

[2:56:27] Voice 7: like my and and this has been a real

[2:56:31] Voice 7: dilemma because we want to work with the landowner but like we also lose control of it once we zone

[2:56:38] Voice 7: it a particular way to some degree because it goes to building permit and like you know like

[2:56:44] Voice 7: so we can do density things now right once it's zoned that way what they build on there is not

[2:56:51] Voice 7: actually a community conversation we only have that ability to some degree if we put the limit

[2:56:56] Voice 7: low and they come back for a variance then we have a little bit more room for a conversation

[2:57:02] Voice 7: if i'm correct and and please correct me kim and and phil if i'm wrong about that like they

[2:57:07] Voice 7: can come back for a variance right not

[2:57:10] Voice 16: on density use oh

[2:57:11] Voice 7: so not against me so that's the problem

[2:57:13] Voice 7: yeah

[2:57:14] Voice 16: so it's rezoning at that point

[2:57:15] Voice 7: oh but no it's okay so i'm using the wrong words sorry

[2:57:18] Voice 7: so

[2:57:19] Voice 16: if

[2:57:20] Voice 7: we put it low right now then to your time then they could come back and say well we do want

[2:57:27] Voice 7: 23 units here's our plan to rezone it in this way and then it would be a conversation well this is

[2:57:32] Trustee McConchie: the this is the crux of it i have yet to see a plan see

[2:57:35] Voice 7: and this is

[2:57:35] Trustee McConchie: the problem i have with

[2:57:36] Trustee McConchie: this development and

[2:57:37] Voice 7: so my preference is to put it low and have them have to come back if they want

[2:57:44] Voice 7: the bigger amount and i know it's a dilemma for them because they bought the property with a

[2:57:49] Voice 7: specific intent blah blah i understand that but it is a bit of an issue that we aren't actually

[2:57:56] Voice 7: planning for the specific landowner we're planning for the community and the only tool that we have

[2:58:02] Voice 7: is to zone it low and have them come back with a rezoning and a plan i

[2:58:07] Voice 16: just addressed something

[2:58:08] Voice 16: sorry i misspoke so when i said there was no size limit i recollected that there is actually so um

[2:58:15] Voice 16: it's limited to 56 meters squared in total so that's about 650 right yeah

[2:58:23] Voice 7: so i personally how big was that property again it was like sorry

[2:58:30] Voice 7: can we get a page number for this i guess

[2:58:34] Trustee McConchie: trustee morrison what i would like to see happen

[2:58:37] Trustee McConchie: is reduce the density further the property owners come back to a public hearing at a

[2:58:45] Trustee McConchie: future local trust committee date where all the folks on mckinnon road can have their say

[2:58:51] Trustee McConchie: and and a plan can be developed that addresses traffic addresses water

[2:58:58] Trustee McConchie: addresses concerns over the impacts to the local community yeah

[2:59:03] Voice 7: and i'm with you on that okay so

[2:59:05] Voice 7: so i guess the question is um what's the number that we set what do we think is like uh the lowest

[2:59:12] Voice 7: number that we would set because we still we need to put some number in i thought 10. okay

[2:59:18] Voice 7: so if we do 10 that's 60 6 000 square feet of units on that property by that real

[2:59:29] Voice 7: and sorry can i get a page number on where we are for that

[2:59:36] Voice 9: kind of in

[2:59:39] Voice 16: the actual bylaw yeah

[2:59:40] Voice 7: is it 142 page 46 of the bylaw and i it just doesn't

[2:59:47] Voice 7: say mckinney road on here so if somebody can tell me which lot number it is again

[2:59:50] Voice 7: i just need to have a question so i'm i think there's four properties in

[2:59:55] Trustee McConchie: question correct

[3:00:00] Trustee McConchie: That's the one that I'm trying to find.

[3:00:01] Voice 7: Yeah, it's...

[3:00:02] Voice 7: One, two,

[3:00:03] Voice 10: three, five, six, six, I think.

[3:00:07] Voice 7: It's C2D, right?

[3:00:09] Voice 7: C2...

[3:00:09] Voice 7: C2A

[3:00:10] Voice 15: or C2D?

[3:00:11] Voice 15: There's two, right?

[3:00:19] Voice 4: C2A, C2, it's here, right?

[3:00:27] Voice 18: This one, C2D?

[3:00:29] Voice 11: C2D, and then there's C, right?

[3:00:34] Voice 11: C, okay.

[3:00:36] Voice 7: Yeah, I thought it was D is the one

[3:00:38] Voice 7: that we're talking about specifically, but D

[3:00:42] Voice 4: has

[3:00:46] Voice 16: a maximum of 15. Okay,

[3:00:49] Voice 7: you have a

[3:00:49] Voice 16: maximum of three.

[3:00:51] Voice 16: Yeah, so

[3:00:53] Voice 7: I think then to your end, and F is which one? F is the water bay?

[3:01:04] Voice 16: Sorry

[3:01:05] Voice 7: that we reference things by those numbers.

[3:01:08] Voice 7: Yep,

[3:01:09] Voice 16: C2a would be the current.

[3:01:13] Voice 7: C2a is current? What

[3:01:15] Voice 7: I want to make sure we don't do is like take that to be away from currents.

[3:01:19] Voice 16: C2g is currents actually so um C2a is?

[3:01:33] Voice 18: Because there's A, D,

[3:01:36] Voice 7: and F have more than 10 units right now

[3:01:41] Voice 7: and to be equitable we could just say that there's a cap right now of 10 is the highest amount that

[3:01:49] Voice 7: anybody gets and you have to apply for rezoning if you want more than 10.

[3:01:54] Voice 11: yeah that's exactly right

[3:01:55] Voice 11: yeah

[3:01:55] Voice 7: so but that would mean that we change a d and f to 10 but i just want to be clear that they're

[3:02:05] Voice 7: not built on already

[3:02:15] Voice 1: yeah yeah i

[3:02:20] Voice 16: think what's going on is the numbering issue here okay because

[3:02:25] Voice 16: i think sorry

[3:02:25] Voice 1: that's the first time yeah i

[3:02:27] Voice 16: think this is there's no way so i'm thinking what's

[3:02:30] Voice 16: happen because there's only six properties involved yeah i

[3:02:35] Voice 7: don't have there's no g on this

[3:02:37] Voice 7: table yeah okay so this is a property

[3:02:41] Trustee McConchie: c2e c2d

[3:02:43] Voice 7: so we need

[3:02:44] Voice 7: to get one of whatever it needs to be

[3:02:46] Voice 16: obviously yeah correct okay

[3:02:47] Voice 7: so this is currents we shouldn't

[3:02:50] Voice 16: change it which is 33.

[3:02:51] Voice 7: okay so the

[3:02:53] Voice 7: The move that, can I borrow this for a second?

[3:02:55] Voice 7: Yes.

[3:02:55] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:02:55] Voice 7: So the move would be to change C2B, sorry, C2A and C2D to no more than 10 units.

[3:03:13] Trustee McConchie: C2A, so it's actually,

[3:03:15] Voice 1: so here, Trustee Morrison, I have the graph right here.

[3:03:18] Trustee McConchie: So C2D, 1329 McKinnon Road, The Tides, was zoned for 26 units.

[3:03:25] Voice 7: Some 15 on here.

[3:03:27] Trustee McConchie: well now now the new proposal because they have they own both properties

[3:03:31] Trustee McConchie: one three uh four nine i believe and one three two nine if i'm correct right

[3:03:38] Voice 4: this is

[3:03:41] Trustee McConchie: from the discussion paper

[3:03:42] Voice 1: that's why how

[3:03:50] Trustee McConchie: about this planner stock till can you um

[3:03:52] Trustee McConchie: can we i don't know how well you're feeling but can can we um do you understand the intent you

[3:03:57] Trustee McConchie: need a motion from us and then you can sort out the logistics of of what we're proposing

[3:04:11] Voice 7: closing? No, my understanding of what Ben just said is that

[3:04:14] Voice 7: the two properties that

[3:04:17] Voice 7: are owned by the same group, that the total is 10. That's what I'm hearing. So it could

[3:04:34] Voice 7: be C2C and C2D in the table. In total, those properties make 10.

[3:04:43] Voice 4: Okay, so currently they're

[3:04:45] Voice 4: 23. Yeah

[3:04:46] Voice 18: that's right. So

[3:04:47] Voice 4: you want that down to 10. Yeah.

[3:04:49] Voice 1: Kim we need to know that there doesn't

[3:05:00] Voice 16: appear to be a G on the table as well.

[3:05:03] Voice 4: That's correct. Yes. From

[3:05:05] Voice 4: which table? The

[3:05:06] Voice 16: table in the

[3:05:06] Voice 16: bylaw.

[3:05:11] Voice 7: Yeah there is some errors between the map and the table. I don't know where the errors are

[3:05:18] Voice 7: but there's some errors between the map and the table.

[3:05:25] Voice 16: C2G on the map is the occurrence.

[3:05:28] Voice 16: It's occurrence on

[3:05:30] Voice 7: the

[3:05:31] Voice 16: table, which is, but on the map, it's on a C2G.

[3:05:37] Voice 11: So I think it's a mapping error.

[3:05:52] Voice 16: And yeah, there's no F on the map right now.

[3:05:57] Voice 16: That's what's going on. That's great.

[3:06:01] Voice 7: At least we found these errors if we can, if we can just correct those.

[3:06:03] Voice 7: But yes, Kim, the intent is that those two pieces of property which appear to be C and D are in total 10.

[3:06:15] Voice 7: So I move that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee, and then whatever language we need in there, Phil, for the bylaw, blah, blah, blah.

[3:06:38] Voice 11: And the amended.

[3:07:02] Voice 1: The

[3:07:02] Voice 7: amended. And I'm going to use lot numbers because I'm not confident in that.

[3:07:07] Voice 18: Okay, so bid

[3:07:09] Voice 18: lot A and B, plan VIP.

[3:07:15] Voice 18: I

[3:07:21] Voice 4: would say is two from 1329 McKinnon Road from 15 units.

[3:07:39] Voice 5: Yep.

[3:07:40] Voice 5: Can

[3:07:41] Voice 4: you get that?

[3:07:44] Voice 4: Or vice versa, two.

[3:07:46] Voice 4: No, that's fine.

[3:07:47] Voice 4: Sorry,

[3:07:51] Voice 16: can you just repeat that?

[3:07:53] Voice 16: So 1349 is reduced from what number to what number?

[3:07:58] Voice 4: Yeah, the property.

[3:08:08] Voice 4: And 1329.

[3:08:14] Voice 4: The only thing we have to keep in mind is

[3:08:17] Voice 4: is i'm not sure how many units are actually constructed on the subject right now zero

[3:08:23] Trustee McConchie: i thought oh on

[3:08:26] Trustee McConchie: the tides the tides exists the tides has a pla has a couple cottages there i

[3:08:32] Trustee McConchie: don't know how many they have are there four i think of them yeah

[3:08:35] Voice 7: but that doesn't necessarily

[3:08:36] Voice 7: change anything does it because if they're already existing the grandfather than

[3:08:44] Voice 4: seven units yeah i

[3:08:48] Voice 4: don't think

[3:08:48] Voice 7: it will impact it necessarily let's leave it like that for now and then on saturday

[3:08:54] Voice 7: we'll i'm sure we'll get through that so

[3:09:00] Voice 7: okay now let's we can do it now if you want yeah

[3:09:08] Trustee McConchie: i'll pass it today

[3:09:09] Voice 7: all right so that motion's been made is there a second yeah oh wait who

[3:09:13] Trustee McConchie: made the motion

[3:09:14] Voice 7: i made it

[3:09:16] Voice 7: can i can we read i'll second the

[3:09:18] Trustee McConchie: motion sorry yeah

[3:09:19] Voice 3: that's right go ahead and read that back

[3:09:23] Voice 3: there you

[3:09:24] Voice 8: don't have to speak up a little bit okay that the north canada local trust me

[3:09:46] Voice 8: um

[3:09:47] Voice 8: yes thank you

[3:09:54] Voice 7: yeah i make that i still move second any discussion no i really thanks ben for

[3:10:00] Voice 7: for that conversation we've gone back and forth a little bit on that and I do think that if we just

[3:10:06] Voice 7: keep the cap lower than we instigate a rezoning if they want it higher it's not we're not saying

[3:10:12] Voice 7: it can't be higher we're saying come to us with a concrete plan with the community and have that

[3:10:18] Voice 7: conversation like

[3:10:19] Voice 3: I mean I recall the conversation says one of the problems is got this commercial

[3:10:25] Voice 3: commercial accommodation unit wording and it's kind of built on a 1980s vintage

[3:10:31] Voice 3: what that means

[3:10:32] Voice 3: and I you know from hearing the people that were coming that you know they're talking completely

[3:10:36] Voice 3: different things more kind of like glamping or simpler structures and sustainable you know so

[3:10:42] Voice 3: it's almost like that whole issue needs to be revisited what is a modern accommodation unit

[3:10:49] Voice 3: it that makes sense you know gives people flexibility but makes sense otherwise you have

[3:10:56] Voice 3: we have seen his you come out with this maximum of what it means is more of a house yeah anyway

[3:11:04] Voice 1: ready for the

[3:11:05] Voice 3: discussion call the vote all those in favor that's carried so

[3:11:10] Trustee McConchie: uh the other thing i

[3:11:11] Trustee McConchie: just wanted to discuss was i noticed there was no conversation about the or in the staff report

[3:11:18] Trustee McConchie: about um docs or or any draft motion uh related to the um landing pads as well in the staff report

[3:11:30] Trustee McConchie: so that's we're just planning so we're assumed to like that's going ahead i didn't see it in the

[3:11:37] Trustee McConchie: staff report do

[3:11:38] Voice 4: you want to refresh your memory oh

[3:11:42] Trustee McConchie: no we just we it was basically a copy and paste

[3:11:45] Trustee McConchie: of the self-pander bylaw um

[3:11:56] Voice 7: yeah it was in here in the minutes from last meeting about that we um

[3:12:05] Voice 7: yeah there's there was information here about the zoning and it's on page 15.

[3:12:14] Voice 7: um yeah so that it was that we would include helen doctors for um for other than emergencies

[3:12:26] Voice 7: seems not permissible yeah

[3:12:29] Trustee McConchie: but so i just want to clarify the intent there i don't want the

[3:12:34] Trustee McConchie: conversation i don't helicopters have nothing to do with what i'm talking about what they have to

[3:12:39] Trustee McConchie: do with is the land the island's trust is in charge of the land i want to i want the bylaws

[3:12:45] Trustee McConchie: excuse me the bylaw self-pattern which was created years ago um states that you can't build a big

[3:12:51] Trustee McConchie: big landing pad for helicopters, or for whatever purposes, a big landing pad for spaceships

[3:12:58] Trustee McConchie: or whatever.

[3:12:59] Trustee McConchie: That's what I want on North Pender.

[3:13:02] Trustee McConchie: So folks, if they do want to construct it, have to come to the local trust committee

[3:13:07] Trustee McConchie: and ask, consult with the community to find out if that's an appropriate use of the land.

[3:13:12] Trustee McConchie: Now I understand it's not enforceable because the federal government deals with aeronautics,

[3:13:17] Trustee McConchie: but we deal with the land and the permitted uses of the land so does bylaw 224 planner stock bill

[3:13:27] Trustee McConchie: address what i'm discussing so

[3:13:33] Voice 7: we had a conversation about this in the spring sometime

[3:13:39] Voice 7: around adopting the south or was it the south pender or was it the um language that was brought

[3:13:48] Voice 7: in from michael simons i think it was or somebody had yeah

[3:13:52] Trustee McConchie: it's just a copy of

[3:13:53] Trustee McConchie: the self-pander

[3:13:54] Trustee McConchie: bottle and

[3:13:55] Voice 7: there was some conversation about maybe it needed to be broadened to be not just

[3:14:00] Voice 7: like to be aeronautical kind of aerodome or something i think was the language so um it would

[3:14:06] Voice 7: be good to have i don't know how we need to track that because it i can see that we've had

[3:14:13] Voice 7: conversation about it in these notes but it isn't in the bylaw right now

[3:14:31] Voice 4: well

[3:14:32] Trustee McConchie: that's that's what i'm now i'm getting to understand why i've not understood the whole

[3:14:38] Trustee McConchie: conversation because the wording relates to preventing helicopters and we don't have any

[3:14:44] Trustee McConchie: jurisdiction over that i get that but we do have jurisdiction over the type of landing pads that

[3:14:51] Trustee McConchie: can be used so i need the language to reflect that it addresses the use of landing pads yes it does

[3:15:01] Voice 7: yeah it says heliports 115 and 116 so it has airstrips and airstrip facilities are prohibited

[3:15:08] Voice 7: it an outright helicopter heliport and helipads other than for emergency evacuation use but

[3:15:14] Trustee McConchie: uh

[3:15:16] Trustee McConchie: okay do we need to use the word helipad or do we need to use the word heliport

[3:15:21] Voice 7: yeah i think so that is what's here that's

[3:15:24] Trustee McConchie: the definition okay yeah okay apparently you can't

[3:15:31] Voice 7: for a farm either um

[3:15:37] Voice 7: no no i

[3:15:42] Trustee McConchie: i'm just making sure that we're not like i want to make sure the bylaw states only to do

[3:15:49] Trustee McConchie: with land usage that's it yes and not and i don't want them to find some loophole that says oh that

[3:15:56] Trustee McConchie: you have no jurisdiction over this i mean we do have jurisdiction over the land is what i'm trying

[3:16:02] Trustee McConchie: say i just want to make sure that the bylaw wording addresses that

[3:16:07] Voice 3: it's

[3:16:10] Voice 3: yeah that's this is the land use so

[3:16:13] Trustee McConchie: then the definition of helipad is

[3:16:17] Trustee McConchie: something like what what is the definition of a helipad that it's

[3:16:21] Voice 3: probably defined as the

[3:16:22] Voice 3: aeronautical sector other places so okay it's a defined thing

[3:16:26] Trustee McConchie: great just making sure so i just

[3:16:28] Trustee McConchie: want to double check i know this is tedious no

[3:16:30] Voice 7: and actually we still might it's there still might be

[3:16:33] Voice 7: a loophole honestly for what is going on on Trincomalee because they're saying that they're

[3:16:41] Voice 7: not a helipad they're saying that they're just landing their helicopter on their land

[3:16:46] Voice 7: and a

[3:16:47] Voice 7: helipad has different characteristics than necessarily what they're doing so I guess that is

[3:16:54] Voice 7: a bit of a question this is what um we the language that we had because this is the land

[3:17:01] Voice 7: and use language that we can put in there but then

[3:17:04] Trustee McConchie: again yeah yeah

[3:17:05] Voice 7: we can't necessarily say

[3:17:06] Voice 7: that you can you

[3:17:07] Trustee McConchie: can't pour a slab of cement and draw an h

[3:17:10] Voice 7: that's right you can't do that because

[3:17:12] Voice 7: that's a helipad right is

[3:17:14] Trustee McConchie: that that's then it becomes a helipad if i pour cement there was

[3:17:17] Voice 7: something about that because i actually looked at that when we originally talked to about this

[3:17:22] Voice 7: and they're saying it's not a helipad because it doesn't meet the aeronautical definitions of

[3:17:27] Voice 7: what's an aerodrome helipad so it doesn't fall within those definitions and therefore it's not

[3:17:34] Voice 7: regulatable by um like us from a language perspective

[3:17:38] Voice 7: right so i don't know if this

[3:17:41] Voice 7: is going to solve the problem the way it is um but

[3:17:45] Voice 7: we can try well

[3:17:47] Trustee McConchie: but then i mean my intent

[3:17:48] Trustee McConchie: with the bible is not to solve the tranquil mali issue it's to think about what's the appropriate

[3:17:52] Trustee McConchie: future of aeronautics in the southern gulf islands right

[3:17:54] Voice 7: yeah right and

[3:17:55] Voice 7: that's something i think that

[3:17:57] Voice 7: we actually have to take a fairly heavy lobby effort as with the federal government sure i

[3:18:02] Voice 3: think it's a good question that needs to be raised from i think that's a federation question because

[3:18:06] Voice 3: this is not that's good just

[3:18:08] Voice 3: yeah okay so

[3:18:10] Voice 3: island so

[3:18:11] Trustee McConchie: don't change anything yeah

[3:18:12] Voice 3: no that's good it's

[3:18:14] Voice 3: good okay sorry

[3:18:14] Trustee McConchie: about the tediousness no

[3:18:16] Voice 3: that's right this is the time to think about anything

[3:18:18] Voice 3: that is on your minds or needs to be changed so i

[3:18:22] Voice 4: really want to bring up one item and i hate to go

[3:18:25] Voice 4: back to an item but i want to make sure that we're clear on our intent and what it looks like yeah so

[3:18:31] Voice 4: this is the tourist accommodation yeah so right now you have one property that has five units

[3:18:39] two properties

[3:18:41] Voice 4: that have three and the other that has seven are you wanting to for one it's

[3:18:59] Voice 7: In what way would that be consistent, just that we're reducing?

[3:19:04] Voice 4: You're reducing the number.

[3:19:05] Voice 4: Because I didn't hear the rationale.

[3:19:07] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:19:07] Voice 4: You're reducing 3, 9, and 13 by the same property order.

[3:19:16] Voice 7: So the rationale for reducing the properties generally in that area is to not have, like,

[3:19:25] Voice 7: Like the 15 and 8 are much higher and create a larger density overall in that cluster.

[3:19:33] Voice 7: So overall now in that one little area, there is somewhere in the order of 15 units, 16 units, something like that.

[3:19:44] Voice 7: Is that right?

[3:19:45] Voice 4: I just

[3:19:45] Voice 4: wanted to clarify.

[3:19:46] Voice 4: So it's in terms of...

[3:19:49] Voice 7: Yes.

[3:19:49] Voice 7: Yes. So it's that McKinnon Road cluster that overall, those other two properties made it

[3:19:58] Voice 7: much higher. And really, if we're going to do anything in that area, if people are building

[3:20:04] Voice 7: in that area, they have to think holistically, not on a singular property level. And so the

[3:20:09] Voice 7: community in that region should have a bigger conversation if anybody wants to go much higher

[3:20:14] Voice 7: density yep

[3:20:15] Voice 1: okay great okay

[3:20:20] Voice 3: any other um um

[3:20:24] Trustee McConchie: just a couple comments about uh proceeding with the docs

[3:20:29] Trustee McConchie: uh zoning process uh i'm comfortable but i i do want to recognize that we did receive

[3:20:36] Trustee McConchie: correspondence um requesting that the ltc pause uh the dock zoning uh process and um the only

[3:20:46] Trustee McConchie: The only thing that was not properly addressed in some of those concerns was the idea that, you know, which I've reiterated numerous times, but it still has not been addressed, is that the local government should have a say over this and does not.

[3:21:02] Trustee McConchie: I believe in local governments having a voice at the table with regards to this particular type of development.

[3:21:09] Trustee McConchie: so that so the local the local politician could go and consult with the neighbors can talk about

[3:21:16] Trustee McConchie: right now it's just up to the province and i don't

[3:21:18] Trustee McConchie: always think that the province has the answers to

[3:21:20] Trustee McConchie: everything you know like they can't even build a museum right and it's so i'm comfortable proceeding

[3:21:28] Trustee McConchie: with the way that the docs uh in our language bylaw is being approved and i have yet to receive

[3:21:35] Trustee McConchie: a logical argument that argues against local government being involved i've not heard that

[3:21:40] Trustee McConchie: i'd like to hear that if it's there is a case to be made um and then the other point was about the

[3:21:46] Trustee McConchie: change from commercial 2f c2f zoning uh to rental housing behind the driftwood um this is one thing

[3:21:52] Trustee McConchie: we had a heartle management come on to the community information meeting uh trustee and

[3:21:57] Trustee McConchie: they they want to keep the zoning and they want to turn it into a campsite

[3:22:03] Trustee McConchie: but then they also argued that it's too expensive to build so it's never going to get done then I

[3:22:09] Trustee McConchie: said well why do you want to keep the commercial zoning if it's too to return to commercial zoning

[3:22:14] Trustee McConchie: it's too expensive to build why don't you just ask for zoning for a campsite they said well we

[3:22:20] Trustee McConchie: would just like to have a campsite and the tourist commercial zoning so it look the plan isn't clear

[3:22:26] Trustee McConchie: to me i'm noticing vanilla leaf bakery anecdotally doesn't have enough places for folks to stay for

[3:22:33] Trustee McConchie: their full their people i mean the trust committee has been asked time and time again to do something

[3:22:38] Trustee McConchie: about addressing affordable housing issues and helping zoning relaxing them zoning and some

[3:22:44] Trustee McConchie: issues i understand also mr sketch's opinion that it could be part of a broader official community

[3:22:49] Trustee McConchie: plan discussion but i mean this is a this is an opportunity for us uh to really take the lead on

[3:22:55] Trustee McConchie: on this particular issue.

[3:22:59] Trustee McConchie: But one thing I really wanna be clear is like,

[3:23:01] Trustee McConchie: I know I've said, I wanna listen to the property owners,

[3:23:04] Trustee McConchie: but almost all the property owners make sense to me.

[3:23:07] Trustee McConchie: This one doesn't, the logic isn't lining up correctly

[3:23:11] Trustee McConchie: in their rationale for us not doing this.

[3:23:14] Voice 5: I

[3:23:14] Trustee McConchie: don't quite get it, right?

[3:23:16] Trustee McConchie: So I'm comfortable moving ahead with what the proposal is.

[3:23:20] Trustee McConchie: I just wasn't sure if you guys,

[3:23:22] Trustee McConchie: we haven't had a conversation about it yet.

[3:23:24] Trustee McConchie: it did get brought up in the community information yeah

[3:23:26] Voice 7: so um about this one where we're actually not

[3:23:31] Voice 7: really going for what the property owner said on the last commercial property we just discussed so

[3:23:36] Voice 7: we're not well

[3:23:36] Trustee McConchie: they agreed to rezoning they agreed to downgrading the

[3:23:39] Voice 7: zoning we're just doing it more

[3:23:40] Voice 7: than they are comfortable with well

[3:23:42] Trustee McConchie: i requested uh of the kerfoot's law many many many times for

[3:23:46] Trustee McConchie: a plan no

[3:23:47] Voice 7: i'm not arguing that it's not

[3:23:48] Voice 7: a good thing because i agree like i wanted

[3:23:50] Voice 7: to see the

[3:23:50] Voice 7: want to do i just want to like there's going to be some tensions with line owners regardless yeah

[3:23:55] Voice 1: um

[3:23:56] Voice 7: can i get that page number of where we are for the zoning for i'd like to have the text

[3:24:02] Voice 7: right in front of me for the um 197

[3:24:05] Trustee McConchie: isn't that what i'm talking about right now

[3:24:08] Voice 4: i'm

[3:24:11] Trustee McConchie: just that's where the map is um

[3:24:16] Voice 18: so for the driftwood

[3:24:23] Voice 7: um so going to so i have like had

[3:24:32] Voice 7: multiple feelings around the rental housing i think it's good to rezone it i think the challenge

[3:24:37] Voice 7: i have is that anytime we're rezoning without a plan in front of us it could be all sorts of

[3:24:44] Voice 7: things that we don't necessarily know and when we force people to do a rezoning to do something

[3:24:49] Voice 7: then it helps us the counter argument to that is it's currently zoned commercial so they could do

[3:24:55] Voice 7: things commercial without us being able to say anything i'd rather them do things residential

[3:25:00] Voice 7: without us saying anything right so because we badly need residential in this area so um

[3:25:07] Voice 7: Um, yeah, I, I wouldn't mind moving it to rental housing.

[3:25:14] Voice 7: So there's at least that seems more of a community and if they want to be commercial and have

[3:25:19] Voice 7: a campsite, they have to come back to us with rezoning for going back to commercial and

[3:25:22] Voice 7: arguing for it.

[3:25:24] Voice 7: Um, because then

[3:25:25] Voice 7: it at least provides some opportunities to have discussions in the community

[3:25:29] Voice 7: about residential zone for, you know, I don't know that I think this is the ideal place

[3:25:36] Voice 7: is to do rental housing because of the water and other things um but i think if we leave it this

[3:25:43] Voice 7: way right now and have the last community commission meeting that's the right thing

[3:25:46] Trustee McConchie: okay i agree yep sounds good that's all right for the land use by lot project oh

[3:25:54] Voice 3: well thanks this

[3:25:55] Voice 3: was this was the time to have that conversation i'm

[3:25:57] Trustee McConchie: feeling bad for playing stock deal right now

[3:25:59] Trustee McConchie: i don't know how she's hanging in

[3:26:00] Voice 3: there thank you

[3:26:01] Trustee McConchie: yeah well

[3:26:03] Voice 3: she wanted you to have this conversation

[3:26:05] Voice 3: so she's so

[3:26:06] Trustee McConchie: if it's okay then oh that's good yeah uh i'd like to make a motion that the north pender

[3:26:10] Trustee McConchie: island local trust committee direct staff to schedule a public hearing for proposed violence

[3:26:14] Voice 7: we can do that on saturday we can do

[3:26:16] Trustee McConchie: that on saturday i think it's

[3:26:17] Voice 7: okay to do the motion now

[3:26:18] Voice 7: you want to okay and then we can at least get the dates possible out sure all right that's a

[3:26:24] Voice 7: challenge okay

[3:26:25] Trustee McConchie: as indicated on page 81 the staff report the recommendation

[3:26:37] Voice 7: All

[3:26:37] Voice 3: right, so that's been made and seconded the motion on page 81.

[3:26:43] Voice 3: Is there any discussion?

[3:26:47] Trustee McConchie: No, other than we need to schedule it.

[3:26:50] Voice 7: All right.

[3:26:51] Voice 7: So that sounds good. And maybe so Kim just as a discussion item.

[3:26:57] Voice 7: Just will will have the UBCM conversation here in a second, but

[3:27:01] Voice 7: but just to know that I am stationary until October 8th.

[3:27:06] Voice 7: I was thinking, if you need to text me or let me know.

[3:27:10] Voice 7: I'll be-

[3:27:11] Voice 7: Oh, like you're on camera.

[3:27:12] Trustee McConchie: Oh, okay.

[3:27:13] Voice 7: So just, we can have a couple of conversations

[3:27:15] Voice 7: about dates and stuff.

[3:27:16] Voice 3: I got you.

[3:27:17] Voice 7: Definitely check in with me.

[3:27:18] Voice 3: All right, any further discussion on this motion?

[3:27:21] Voice 3: Nope.

[3:27:21] Voice 3: I'll call the vote.

[3:27:22] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[3:27:23] Voice 3: And that's carried.

[3:27:27] Voice 3: Any other further discussions

[3:27:29] Voice 3: that need to be talked about for this project, Kim?

[3:27:35] Voice 3: I

[3:27:35] Voice 7: would like to just a big thank you, Kim,

[3:27:38] Voice 7: because I know

[3:27:38] Voice 7: that this is a management nightmare.

[3:27:40] Voice 7: All of these, like going back and forth on these,

[3:27:42] Voice 7: so thank you so much for bearing with us through this.

[3:27:46] Voice 7: And I can tell you, she's the,

[3:27:49] Voice 3: from a community information meeting

[3:27:51] Voice 3: and the perspective of the presentations

[3:27:53] Voice 3: that Kim gives us,

[3:27:55] Voice 3: the detail and simple language

[3:27:58] Voice 3: that you use to explain these complex issues is so appreciated okay so are there any other items

[3:28:07] Voice 3: we need to talk about kim on this no she said

[3:28:09] Voice 3: no okay good thanks i didn't see that all right

[3:28:12] Voice 3: well congratulations and on to saturday which will have lots of time to have in-depth conversations

[3:28:18] Voice 3: with the community so okay then so we're going to move on to our top priorities report which

[3:28:26] Voice 3: we're probably not going to change at this time but the projects list we did talk about adding

[3:28:32] Voice 3: a review or update of the development permit areas that we discussed earlier today so

[3:28:39] Voice 3: on page 200.

[3:28:40] Voice 3: thank you all right

[3:28:47] Trustee McConchie: i just have a question on applications so

[3:28:50] Voice 7: for the top part of our project

[3:28:52] Voice 7: just projects list yeah for the progress list i actually would really like to um ask if we can

[3:28:59] Voice 7: flag it for the next committee okay

[3:29:00] Voice 3: put it on the put it on the agenda for the next meeting

[3:29:03] Voice 3: to review the projects list for being useful to the next trust with

[3:29:06] Voice 7: the development permit areas

[3:29:08] Voice 7: like so if we can try to get some language around what what would a development permanent area

[3:29:12] Voice 7: project be that we could add and just bring it back to the next meeting okay

[3:29:16] Voice 16: so you want staff

[3:29:17] Voice 16: to report back on yeah

[3:29:19] Voice 7: and i don't know a report it sounds like more formal than what i'm asking

[3:29:23] Voice 7: for like just some language to add to the project list oh okay

[3:29:26] Voice 7: what would a development permit area

[3:29:28] Voice 7: project like

[3:29:29] Voice 16: a review of development yeah that's just what you're talking about

[3:29:32] Voice 7: just what's the

[3:29:32] Voice 7: language we need to add to that report so

[3:29:34] Voice 16: you're not putting a resolution report right now where

[3:29:36] Voice 16: you just have to

[3:29:37] Voice 3: put it on the agenda for the next meeting well i think it would be a good idea to

[3:29:43] Voice 3: put it as an agenda on the next meeting and especially the two of you think of any other

[3:29:48] Voice 3: because this is sort of like forward forward talking to the next trust local trust committee

[3:29:55] Voice 3: so there could be other things on your mind that you think should

[3:29:57] Voice 3: be parked on this list to sort of

[3:30:00] Voice 3: forward have

[3:30:00] Voice 7: a more intentional like kind of like longer conversation about the projects. Yes, I

[3:30:05] Voice 3: think it would be useful. Okay. Otherwise, sometimes. All right, so then applications

[3:30:13] Voice 3: report. You had a question?

[3:30:15] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, just a question. I saw this plant as well. I've been tech global development permit

[3:30:23] Trustee McConchie: assigned to planner test them all just wondering what there's no information.

[3:30:29] Trustee McConchie: It just sounds very, it sounds like Marvel comics.

[3:30:34] Voice 3: It's on page 202. It's DP

[3:30:35] Voice 3: 2022.3.

[3:30:37] Voice 3: Just

[3:30:37] Trustee McConchie: wondering if you have a, and this was June, and it says it was assigned to you.

[3:30:41] Trustee McConchie: So that's DP 2022.3.

[3:30:48] Advantech Global?

[3:30:50] A typo, but 2022.3

[3:30:53] Voice 16: is Funk.

[3:30:55] Voice 16: funk is

[3:30:57] Trustee McConchie: funk is is 22 20 22.2 oh okay so i'm

[3:31:03] Trustee McConchie: just wondering what 20 22.3 is i'm wondering too

[3:31:07] Trustee McConchie: says advise

[3:31:08] Voice 16: north tender might have been forwarded to me okay yeah

[3:31:12] Voice 16: but just carry on it

[3:31:13] Trustee McConchie: says that it

[3:31:14] Trustee McConchie: was assigned to planner phil test yeah i know but sometimes that's

[3:31:18] Voice 16: okay have a bit of it i just was

[3:31:19] Voice 16: wondering because i'm an

[3:31:19] Voice 16: administrative thing going on right now we're having somebody come

[3:31:23] Voice 16: in and somebody leave yeah no

[3:31:25] Trustee McConchie: no i don't i don't care i just would be curious to know what uh

[3:31:28] Trustee McConchie: what that company is oh

[3:31:30] Voice 16: i see okay and

[3:31:31] Trustee McConchie: what they're what the plan is okay

[3:31:34] Voice 16: i can try and

[3:31:35] Voice 16: answer that really quickly

[3:31:35] Trustee McConchie: yeah there's no rush it's all good

[3:31:37] Voice 9: recommends the application any other

[3:31:45] Voice 4: questions and applications looking at um the clam bay one like

[3:31:53] Voice 7: is that going forward where

[3:31:54] Voice 7: what is happening with that one 20 2012. that's been on there forever i know i guess that's the

[3:32:00] Voice 16: subdivision yeah yeah

[3:32:01] Voice 16: that's a long-standing subdivision so yeah

[3:32:06] Voice 4: so they're just not doing

[3:32:09] Voice 4: anything on it or it's like have

[3:32:12] Trustee McConchie: applications increased there's not really any applications

[3:32:15] Trustee McConchie: No, I

[3:32:16] Voice 16: was going to say they've back down.

[3:32:18] Trustee McConchie: They've mellowed out.

[3:32:22] Voice 16: Okay.

[3:32:22] Voice 16: Oh, sorry.

[3:32:24] Voice 16: 2022.3.

[3:32:25] Voice 16: I beg your pardon.

[3:32:26] Voice 16: It, we've, I know it is a Churchill Brown.

[3:32:28] Voice 16: So that, this is actually something that will be coming to you next, next meeting.

[3:32:32] Voice 16: Yeah.

[3:32:32] Voice 16: It's for Little Shell Island.

[3:32:34] Voice 16: And it is actually,

[3:32:35] Voice 16: Little Shell, Shell Island and Little Shell Island are just off of CM

[3:32:39] Voice 16: Harbour.

[3:32:40] Voice 16: They're quite small.

[3:32:41] Voice 16: Little Shell is very small.

[3:32:42] Voice 16: I actually did a site visit here.

[3:32:43] Voice 16: Sorry.

[3:32:43] Voice 16: I didn't recognize at that tech that this is the owner's company name so and it's come to us

[3:32:51] Voice 16: because they did an archaeological impact assessment I'm going to try and put them on

[3:32:55] Voice 16: this one there's a very interesting site there that's being exposed by wave action so they need

[3:33:01] Voice 16: and the sale is completely involved and it's actually requested that we urgently put they

[3:33:07] Voice 16: put armoring over it or basically created it's not actually that high it ranges from about

[3:33:13] Voice 16: half a meter to 1.2 meters at the most of the peninsula.

[3:33:19] Voice 16: Anyway, so they've gone through an AIA,

[3:33:21] Voice 16: they have a permit through the heritage branch,

[3:33:25] Voice 16: but they do require a DP from us.

[3:33:28] Voice 16: So it's actually could well be retroactive

[3:33:31] Voice 16: by the time it gets-

[3:33:32] Voice 16: So actually it's-

[3:33:32] Voice 16: Okay.

[3:33:32] Voice 16: Yeah.

[3:33:33] Voice 16: But there is also,

[3:33:35] Voice 16: they've also agreed to have a biologist involved

[3:33:37] Voice 16: so that they're trying to do a bit of ecological restoration

[3:33:41] Voice 16: on top of this while they do this volume.

[3:33:43] Voice 16: Okay.

[3:33:44] Voice 16: That's

[3:33:44] Voice 3: great, thank you.

[3:33:45] Voice 3: Yeah,

[3:33:45] Voice 16: sorry, I didn't recognize the band tag, so.

[3:33:48] Voice 3: Any other questions on applications?

[3:33:51] Voice 3: So moving on, we've got the expense report here.

[3:33:54] Voice 3: We might reference back to that in a minute

[3:33:56] Voice 3: and get your quality.

[3:33:59] Voice 3: So I don't think there's any questions on reports,

[3:34:02] Voice 3: otherwise we'll move into new business.

[3:34:03] Voice 3: So we have item 15.1, delegation of development permits.

[3:34:09] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:34:09] Voice 16: yes you want me to sure

[3:34:11] Voice 3: no that's over i

[3:34:12] Voice 16: was just going to quickly present that um so local trust

[3:34:15] Voice 16: committee meetings now have the authority to delegate issuance of development permits and

[3:34:18] Voice 16: the local trust council adoption policy which is on page 218 of the agenda our agenda and that

[3:34:26] Voice 16: provides guidance to local trust committees and staff and considering adopting a delegation bylaw

[3:34:31] Voice 16: and also requesting that LTCs consider adoption of delegation of bylaws.

[3:34:37] Voice 16: So the reason being or the expectation is that this would improve efficiency,

[3:34:42] Voice 16: reduce the size of LTC agendas, reduce staff time spent on VPs, applications, reduce processing

[3:34:49] Voice 16: times and provide greater certainty to applicants. However, not all development permanent areas

[3:34:55] Voice 16: would be necessarily suitable for delegation. So the staff report that you have in front of

[3:35:00] Voice 16: you would use the north pender local trust committees development permit areas based on

[3:35:05] Voice 16: that policy and the criteria that's within that policy and analysis on page two and three

[3:35:13] Voice 16: reviews and specifics of volumes processing times adoption dates of our existing dpas on north pender

[3:35:20] Voice 16: and the application of using the development approval information bylaw which we have

[3:35:26] Voice 16: and professional reporting and methods of assessing and applying dp guidelines to dps

[3:35:32] Voice 16: so the recommendation is that the north pender island trust committee would prepare a by request

[3:35:39] Voice 16: staff to prepare a bylaw that would delegate the issuance of building permit development permits

[3:35:44] Voice 16: to staff for the following development permit areas and those would be um development permit

[3:35:49] Voice 16: areas one through six for sensitive ecosystems seven which is raptor nests and ten which is

[3:35:55] Voice 16: riparian and aquatic and also secondly that they were north tender island ocp um sorry associated

[3:36:05] Voice 16: island ocp for shoreline sydney island geotechnical and sydney island shoreline development permit

[3:36:11] Voice 16: areas and that's supported the staff considerations of dps for environmental and geotechnical dpas

[3:36:17] Voice 16: can be delegated to staff given that the guidelines are comprehensive and relatively

[3:36:21] Voice 16: of the objective and staff have long been assessing compliance with guidelines of the

[3:36:25] Voice 16: professional reports as well as incorporating um professional recommendations into the applications

[3:36:34] Voice 16: and then quality or conversely applications for the commercial industrial should continue

[3:36:41] Voice 16: to be considered by the ltc where those guidelines are comprehensive but the more

[3:36:48] Voice 16: subjective interpretation of design guidelines along with um high profile nature of these dps

[3:36:53] Voice 16: staff you're welcome to

[3:36:55] Voice 9: recommend that delegation ask

[3:36:59] Voice 7: a quick question okay so i i am for this

[3:37:03] Voice 7: because this is that thing that you've been talking about where we basically have to make

[3:37:06] Voice 7: these decisions that are already made because the rules are so straightforward yeah so yeah

[3:37:10] Voice 7: so my question so i understand all that and i think that's all good so my question is about um

[3:37:18] Voice 7: So I'm going to use an example of the DP that we had out on Razor Point Road, where there was a dock, and it was super complicated. There was a variance, there was like this whole thing going down the hill where they have these platforms and stairs, and then there was a fully stocked dock.

[3:37:32] Voice 7: So those are variances, so they wouldn't be included in this, right?

[3:37:36] Voice 16: So no, so yeah, you can include a variance in a development permit, but only if it meets the condition that it is benefiting the environment or the sensitive ecosystem.

[3:37:47] Voice 16: system so in that case it would be it would be outside and the variance would have to come to you

[3:37:52] Voice 16: there is the my

[3:37:53] Voice 7: question is not clear i think

[3:37:55] Voice 16: well you would have you would have a variance

[3:37:57] Voice 16: application in front of you so

[3:37:58] Voice 7: we would get the variance you

[3:38:00] Voice 7: wouldn't be able to approve the

[3:38:01] Voice 7: variance we

[3:38:02] Voice 16: would be able to approve the gp but you wouldn't likely approve the gp with until the

[3:38:06] Voice 16: variance that's

[3:38:07] Voice 7: that's what i'm asking basically

[3:38:08] Voice 7: because that particular application for instance

[3:38:11] Voice 7: was super complicated and

[3:38:13] Voice 1: we ended up

[3:38:13] Voice 7: recommending that people rip out things and like it

[3:38:15] Voice 1: was a very

[3:38:16] Voice 7: complicated and like loaded thing but I don't want to put that kind of a decision on staff I think

[3:38:21] Voice 7: that kind of a decision should be on us no

[3:38:23] Voice 16: so basically that would be a discretionary decision

[3:38:26] Voice 16: of the LTC and that's the nature of development variance permits DPs aren't really a discretionary

[3:38:31] Voice 16: application so we apply conditions or sorry guidelines and then it's sort of akin to

[3:38:36] Voice 16: going through a subdivision application you don't necessarily see those because we're going through

[3:38:41] Voice 16: um basically we're following guidelines and we're also following professional reporting so

[3:38:46] Voice 16: So

[3:38:46] Voice 7: I think the only other thing that I would recommend, so I am for making this motion and

[3:38:50] Voice 7: going ahead, but the only other thing I would recommend is that when it is a bylaw compliance

[3:38:56] Voice 7: related DP, I actually think those should come forward to us because there's a bit of a community

[3:39:01] Voice 7: conversation on the fact that people are working that we probably need to have. So I don't know

[3:39:07] Voice 7: how to do that, but if it involves bylaw compliance for the, like that tree cutting

[3:39:13] Voice 7: I just think that those conversations are bigger than just about the DP, they're about

[3:39:22] Voice 7: the nature of being in this community, I think they should be exposed a little bit more clearly

[3:39:27] Voice 7: people should be clear and it should be a public forum where they understand that something

[3:39:30] Voice 7: was broken, like there was a road broken, and therefore there is a process to remedy.

[3:39:36] Voice 16: So I'm not sure how what the mechanism for doing that would be I did ask the question

[3:39:40] Voice 16: of david marlin this morning because i anticipated the question of people would be can you if like

[3:39:46] Voice 16: the regular process is we receive an application you're advised to the application by a copy of it

[3:39:52] Voice 16: and i asked could you specifically say you could bring home and the answer is no you can't cherry

[3:39:58] Voice 16: pick so you can so basically you're delegating stuff i don't know if we could build into

[3:40:03] Voice 16: into the bylaw, considering that you, if it's a bylaw enforcement, that it would come to you, it may be possible to find out. So

[3:40:13] Voice 7: if we can, if we can see about that as you draft the bylaw.

[3:40:16] Voice 16: Yeah, for sure.

[3:40:18] Voice 7: Does someone want to make this motion then?

[3:40:21] Voice 3: anything else you want to yeah

[3:40:22] Trustee McConchie: no i'm happy with this uh

[3:40:23] Trustee McConchie: just because i don't getting put in a

[3:40:25] Trustee McConchie: position as a trustee where you are basically you can't make an argument against it is what's the

[3:40:32] Trustee McConchie: point of this so i appreciate you guys making that effort um so i'll make the motion that um

[3:40:39] Trustee McConchie: that's uh on page 214 of the staff report of the north bender island local trust committee

[3:40:44] Trustee McConchie: requests staff to prepare a bylaw that would delegate the issuance of development permits

[3:40:48] Trustee McConchie: is staffed for the following development permit areas.

[3:40:50] Trustee McConchie: A, North Pender Island OCP Bylaw number 171-2007

[3:40:54] Trustee McConchie: development permit areas one through six,

[3:40:56] Trustee McConchie: which is sensitive ecosystems,

[3:40:58] Trustee McConchie: seven, raptor's nest, and 10, riparian and aquatic.

[3:41:02] Trustee McConchie: And B, the North Pender Associated Islands

[3:41:05] Trustee McConchie: OCP Bylaw number 147-2002,

[3:41:07] Trustee McConchie: shoreline Sydney Island geotechnical

[3:41:09] Trustee McConchie: on Sydney Island shoreline development permit areas.

[3:41:13] Voice 3: Second.

[3:41:14] Voice 3: Discussion?

[3:41:16] Voice 3: Vote.

[3:41:17] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[3:41:18] Voice 3: That's carried.

[3:41:19] Voice 3: All right.

[3:41:21] Voice 3: The next item is the UBCM attendance.

[3:41:25] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:41:26] Voice 7: So, my understanding of, I put this on the agenda because the UBCM meeting is in September

[3:41:34] Voice 7: 12th to 17th, I think, in Whistler, and I asked how trustees get to participate in this

[3:41:45] Voice 7: because historically executive chairs um because of my moment with the

[3:41:53] Voice 7: programs committee and just my interest in commenting broadly i would really like to

[3:41:57] Voice 7: attend the uvc and my understanding has been the emotion from our ltc and potentially using our lts

[3:42:03] Voice 7: i

[3:42:04] Voice 3: think yeah so i went through that one one accommodation up there we got into the block

[3:42:10] Voice 3: it's

[3:42:11] Voice 7: okay i checked it out this morning i can share my room with

[3:42:14] Voice 7: you that's what i was going

[3:42:16] Voice 3: it's a condo room so you know how whistler stuff is so i'm happy to share with you okay um and so

[3:42:23] Voice 3: because they are ridiculously expensive

[3:42:25] Voice 4: definitely so

[3:42:26] Voice 3: it's it's 680 dollars is the cost for you to

[3:42:30] Voice 3: go there is a trustee expense that typically you guys don't touch and so uh it's only 460 but

[3:42:38] Voice 3: i i don't know stuff i mean if we go over budget we go over budget but there's other

[3:42:43] Voice 3: and

[3:42:43] Voice 7: last year I think we underspent our overall budget

[3:42:46] Voice 3: generally you're almost always because

[3:42:49] Voice 3: there's all this other money in here for special projects and so I mean between special projects

[3:42:53] Voice 3: and trustee expense you're you guys have enough money to take as far as I understand yeah so

[3:43:01] Voice 7: basically my question for us as a committee is and I don't I can't vote on this I don't think

[3:43:06] Voice 7: because it's I think there's a conflict here for me because I'm benefiting from this meeting so I

[3:43:12] Voice 7: don't want to vote on it so i want to leave the two of you but um my ask is whether i can be

[3:43:17] Voice 7: nominated to go forward to the trust to participate in this um in the ubcm and we would have to pay

[3:43:26] Voice 7: for it out of our budget i can once we nominate me like from our ltc then i can ask for some other

[3:43:32] Voice 7: things that are potentially the trust programs committee or other budgets but i can't do that

[3:43:36] Voice 7: how can

[3:43:37] Trustee McConchie: you want to go when you want to do that well i

[3:43:40] Trustee McConchie: Yeah,

[3:43:41] Voice 7: no, I think it's an interesting question. So the UBCM has done a bunch of different motions related to climate change and the bank around coastal communities have been involved in different things and I just feel like we're not getting the sort of grounded work that we're doing in these islands related to reconciliation and climate change.

[3:43:59] Voice 7: some of the stuff we've done in our local communities for us is actually really innovative

[3:44:02] Voice 7: and I kind of want to press on other jurisdictions to do that not just in motions which okay maybe

[3:44:11] Voice 7: they have like power or not but in the relationships with other municipalities and regions

[3:44:15] Voice 7: so I really want to start building some of those connections and learn from them too what they've

[3:44:19] Voice 7: done so I just think there's an opportunity for us in this island and in these outer islands to

[3:44:24] Voice 7: learn a little bit more and try and think about how to apply that in the museum me asking to go

[3:44:31] Voice 7: to the yuki scam is an admission that i'm going to run again so because i wouldn't want to go

[3:44:36] Voice 7: unless i think that i can use that information in the next term so i am interested in thinking

[3:44:41] Voice 7: about that so

[3:44:42] Trustee McConchie: are you publicly declaring that you're in the october 15th election trustee i am

[3:44:48] Voice 7: actually okay so yes but I do still I encourage lots of people to run but I am

[3:44:53] Voice 3: UBCM is open to

[3:44:55] Voice 3: any elected official we are a delegate a voting delegate on on the process there and it is the

[3:45:01] Voice 3: relationship building that is so important because um it's easy to think we're the only ones suffering

[3:45:08] Voice 3: with some of these challenges that

[3:45:10] Voice 12: we face when you get into these

[3:45:11] Voice 3: events you find out some

[3:45:13] Voice 3: Sometimes you come away from a conversation going, hey, we're better on that topic.

[3:45:17] Voice 3: Some of them you come away going, oh, I learned something from that conversation.

[3:45:21] Voice 3: And

[3:45:21] Voice 7: maybe one last thing about that is that I have started to shift my own work in the world more generally and thinking about local government work much more deeply.

[3:45:32] Voice 7: And so we'll see what that looks like in the next term, like what kind of roles I might take in the trust.

[3:45:38] Voice 7: but um one of the things that i've been getting involved with is i i'm involved with the uh

[3:45:45] Voice 7: canadian government around environment and climate change work now and really thinking about how we

[3:45:50] Voice 7: do better in the country about understanding and learning so like a lot of the conversations we've

[3:45:56] Voice 7: had this term about education communication those kinds of things those are things i'm trying to

[3:46:00] Voice 7: understand better of how communities are doing that so that's a big question that i have great

[3:46:05] Trustee McConchie: so you want to use our trusty expenses to pay for your trip to where is it

[3:46:11] Trustee McConchie: whistler right

[3:46:12] Voice 7: now perfect

[3:46:12] Voice 3: do

[3:46:14] Trustee McConchie: it i'd support your motion yeah we

[3:46:17] Voice 3: don't spend any money i think it's

[3:46:18] Voice 3: pretty well motion to cover the two to

[3:46:23] Trustee McConchie: dominate i make

[3:46:25] Trustee McConchie: a motion to nominate trustee morrison to

[3:46:27] Trustee McConchie: represent the north pender island local trust committee at the uvcm and

[3:46:30] Voice 3: we cover the costs

[3:46:31] Voice 3: through and

[3:46:32] Trustee McConchie: that could that the cost of accommodation uh

[3:46:35] Voice 3: no it's her it's her

[3:46:37] Voice 3: registration and

[3:46:39] Trustee McConchie: the cost of her registration is covered by the um

[3:46:42] Voice 3: ltc local trust committee

[3:46:45] Trustee McConchie: expenses it

[3:46:52] Voice 4: has to don't make it great today

[3:46:53] Voice 7: i haven't looked at all the expenses

[3:46:56] Voice 7: just for the registration so

[3:46:58] Voice 7: thanks for the room oh

[3:46:59] Voice 3: no that's all well i i was not going to do it

[3:47:06] Voice 3: You

[3:47:06] Trustee McConchie: guys got to catch the theory, right?

[3:47:07] Trustee McConchie: All right.

[3:47:09] Voice 3: I'll second that motion, of course.

[3:47:10] Voice 3: You got that.

[3:47:12] Voice 3: So do you want to read that back quickly?

[3:47:13] Voice 11: Yeah.

[3:47:14] Voice 8: Can I just take a last one?

[3:47:15] Voice 8: Sure.

[3:47:20] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:47:33] Voice 8: That

[3:47:34] Voice 11: was seconded by me.

[3:47:41] Voice 3: Any discussion?

[3:47:43] Voice 3: Call the vote.

[3:47:43] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[3:47:44] Voice 3: that's carried

[3:47:45] Voice 19: all

[3:47:48] Voice 7: right so can you just make a note that i abstain from that vote

[3:47:52] Voice 7: it's probably important from a sorry i'm huge i abstain from that vote because

[3:47:59] Voice 7: that's okay

[3:48:00] Voice 3: um all right our meeting is going to be september 29th although we're going to

[3:48:05] Voice 3: have the community information meeting this weekend which at the end of the meeting we'll

[3:48:09] Voice 3: talk about how we're going to do that and we

[3:48:12] Trustee McConchie: also need to schedule our public hearings

[3:48:13] Trustee McConchie: which we haven't done yet

[3:48:14] Voice 3: well we that will be saturday saturday

[3:48:18] Trustee McConchie: we're going to schedule

[3:48:19] Trustee McConchie: get the calendar out on saturday okay all right um

[3:48:22] Voice 3: so that it's uh your chance a second town hall

[3:48:25] Voice 3: i'm just going to put out the vote i'd ask everyone to be very brief that wants to speak

[3:48:30] Voice 3: to us in the second town hall because uh we have a fairy that we're going to be trying to catch so

[3:48:35] Voice 3: um michael i'm going to go to the back row because it's new people here first and we come back so

[3:48:39] Voice 3: So go ahead. Hi,

[3:48:41] Voice 4: I'm Leslie Kerfoot. I think you will remember, I haven't met you, Laura, but I'm Leslie Kerfoot.

[3:48:47] Voice 4: This is my husband, Stafford, and of course, Ben Rook, who are running Tides.

[3:48:53] Voice 4: We were watching the meeting at home, online, and I had talked to Kim today.

[3:49:01] Voice 4: I'm very in touch with Kim, trying to stay up on the process of what is happening here.

[3:49:07] Voice 4: i know we had first reading she said to me today i'm hoping to get the public hearing

[3:49:12] Voice 4: date and then it goes to third and fourth you know should all be good so i need to reflect

[3:49:19] Voice 4: back a little bit as you know we took over our property we had 13 29 and 13 33. we bought that

[3:49:26] Voice 4: property and got it in april at 21. after purchasing the property the owner we dealt

[3:49:32] Voice 4: with the owner directly and he didn't divulge um we learned that this was going on we have now

[3:49:39] Voice 4: worked with you gosh it's going on a year and a half ben and deb would come to the site the first

[3:49:45] Voice 4: comment i had from kim was uh through an email when i was trying to figure out what was going on

[3:49:51] Voice 4: would 20 units be okay at the tides from 26 i said i don't know i don't know what that's based on

[3:49:59] Voice 4: we've gone from that to you know less than that um we've talked about the covenant you wanted to

[3:50:07] Voice 4: put covenant in and then we were concerned about sort of the power of that covenant over us and

[3:50:13] Voice 4: hindering our our work and what we wanted to do so then i know you're always asking where did

[3:50:19] Voice 4: those numbers come from the 15 for tithes and the 5 for 1333 those numbers were carefully

[3:50:28] Voice 4: calculated by us and we came to you with those numbers we invested our life savings these two

[3:50:36] Voice 4: have given up homes jobs we've given put everything into this and we are trying to understand what

[3:50:43] Voice 4: your process is really so we came to you with numbers they made first rating reading kim has

[3:50:51] Voice 4: assured us of the process very calmly very i messaged him after watching what you guys just

[3:50:57] Voice 4: been through with our property and i said what did we do she said go to the meeting you passed a

[3:51:02] Voice 4: motion i well what did you pass did you clarify both of you what have you passed on our property

[3:51:09] Voice 4: it's my first question what is it from what to what and what are the addresses okay

[3:51:15] Trustee McConchie: leslie it's

[3:51:18] Trustee McConchie: just first of all i'm hoping we can have a calmer conversation i understand you're

[3:51:23] Voice 4: upset i am

[3:51:24] Voice 4: but it's very upsetting okay it

[3:51:29] Trustee McConchie: was very we

[3:51:30] Voice 4: were mortified what we just witnessed there was laughing

[3:51:33] Voice 4: it was split no there were numbers

[3:51:35] Voice 4: were pulled 10 was

[3:51:37] Voice 4: 10 was pulled from the sky we didn't know

[3:51:40] Voice 4: if that was per lot what was 10 based on this is our life so and

[3:51:46] Voice 4: has completely changed in a matter

[3:51:49] Voice 4: of seconds while you were laughing no there i don't

[3:51:53] Voice 3: know what you're talking about laughing

[3:51:54] Voice 9: i don't know what's laughing this

[3:51:55] Voice 3: is this is no there's no change yet these are proposed

[3:52:00] Voice 3: bylaws and there's a meeting coming up on saturday we understand there's a conversation

[3:52:07] Voice 3: and there's a point of view to be taken and we can still make changes to the draft which is just

[3:52:15] Voice 3: a proposed bylaw it's a proposed bylaw we can still make changes on saturday that is the intent

[3:52:23] Voice 3: and then after saturday that version on saturday will go to public hearing

[3:52:31] Voice 4: i'm trying to understand chair patrick what was the process for what we just watched i mean

[3:52:40] Voice 4: right now today we have 36 units and we're not planning ever to do that we've told you that

[3:52:46] Voice 4: but we have 26 and 10 we've offered 15 and 10 which is almost half 15 and 5 sorry 15 and 5

[3:52:54] Voice 4: which is almost half of what we purchased that is worth a million dollars in revenue a year

[3:53:01] Voice 4: and probably cuts our property value in half that was a very generous well-thought-out offer

[3:53:08] Voice 4: we put those numbers together based on what we invested the minute we had one cottage there we

[3:53:13] Voice 4: have to upgrade the entire infrastructure, sewage, water and we told you we're planning to do that.

[3:53:19] Voice 4: You've allowed us one more cottage on Tides. There are six there now. I don't think you'd even know

[3:53:25] Voice 4: that because I didn't hear anybody suggest what was there. So you've added one and we're devastated

[3:53:32] Voice 4: by what's happened and we have tried to work in really good faith with you guys. We've stayed with

[3:53:38] Voice 4: you we have never threatened any legal action but i've been in business a long time and i've

[3:53:44] Voice 4: never witnessed

[3:53:44] Voice 3: something that has slipped into that when we came to you my suggestion i i hear

[3:53:51] Voice 3: you and i do hear you and i know we want to hear you saturday are you able to come on saturday oh

[3:53:58] Voice 4: we were kim said come saturday you may

[3:54:00] Voice 4: not even need to talk and and here we are today so can i

[3:54:04] Trustee McConchie: can i ask a question sure yes so um you talked about the plan that you've talked to planner

[3:54:10] Trustee McConchie: stock till stock till planner stock till you're still there you're still awake yes i'm still here

[3:54:15] Voice 11: so

[3:54:16] Trustee McConchie: what is the dog i haven't seen any documentation that would really help

[3:54:18] Trustee McConchie: i

[3:54:19] Voice 6: haven't seen talking about a plan yeah that's what i'm hard for us to really know exactly what

[3:54:25] Voice 6: it's going to look like when our zoning has been moved around so much covenants there's just been

[3:54:29] Voice 6: so much movement in every meeting we don't know what's going to happen and there's been a lot of

[3:54:33] Voice 6: a crazy change, not crazy, wrong word,

[3:54:35] Voice 6: but very drastic changes throughout our meeting

[3:54:37] Voice 6: for us. So we have to readjust and

[3:54:39] Voice 6: rethink. And this has been a

[3:54:41] Voice 6: hard process on us.

[3:54:42] Voice 4: This has been so stressful.

[3:54:43] Voice 4: Can I?

[3:54:45] Voice 6: I

[3:54:46] Voice 4: just want to make one more point, Ben.

[3:54:48] Voice 4: You have constantly

[3:54:50] Voice 4: said to us, we need a plan.

[3:54:52] Voice 4: And I

[3:54:53] Voice 4: hear you on that.

[3:54:54] Trustee McConchie: Okay, thank you.

[3:54:54] Voice 4: But in support of

[3:54:56] Voice 4: Bud's comment,

[3:54:57] Voice 4: if we're making a plan for

[3:54:59] Voice 4: 36 units, for 20 units,

[3:55:02] Voice 4: or 10 units that plan is completely different we cannot invest the money to do a proper plan

[3:55:09] Voice 4: for septic for the neighborhood for parking for sewage until we know our number right we cannot

[3:55:16] Voice 4: do a plan and that is what we have been trying to hang in to get is what is our number okay

[3:55:22] Voice 1: so

[3:55:23] Voice 7: process wise one of the things that we said today first of all and you know stick to the

[3:55:30] Voice 7: issue so process-wise one of the things we said today and i was very clear about that is we're not

[3:55:36] Voice 7: saying that you can't have more units we're not saying what we're saying is we need to keep it

[3:55:44] Voice 7: low until we see a plan because you could sell the property like we've had multiple properties

[3:55:49] Voice 7: flip over on pender when there's zoning in different ways and we could get like with 23 i

[3:55:57] Voice 7: I think was what the number was on the papers today,

[3:56:00] Voice 7: with 23 units available,

[3:56:02] Voice 7: those units could look like anything.

[3:56:04] Voice 7: We, I actually really like what your plans are,

[3:56:07] Voice 7: like what we've discussed,

[3:56:08] Voice 7: I don't know what you say you're gonna do,

[3:56:10] Voice 7: but without like,

[3:56:13] Voice 7: we just don't have a tool that allows us

[3:56:17] Voice 7: in this type of land use planning,

[3:56:19] Voice 1: because we're

[3:56:19] Voice 7: not a municipality,

[3:56:20] Voice 7: like we have very limited tools to protect the environment

[3:56:24] Voice 7: until we actually have that plan in hand so we're in a very complicated dilemma between us

[3:56:31] Voice 7: because like you need to know a number to do a plan we need to have a plan to be sure that we

[3:56:39] Voice 7: can set the number like where are we at right so what happens is if we set the number as it as we

[3:56:46] Voice 7: talked about today low you continue with what your business plan is for what the numbers are you

[3:56:52] Voice 7: you have already said the 15 and the eight or whatever that is,

[3:56:56] Voice 7: do that because that is the plan that you have.

[3:56:59] Voice 7: You have a set out and then you bring that in as a rezoning effort.

[3:57:04] Voice 7: It's a community conversation and that gets you rezoning.

[3:57:08] Voice 7: But then you are committed to that plan because that plan is tied to

[3:57:13] Voice 7: rezoning.

[3:57:14] Voice 7: Right now,

[3:57:15] Voice 7: if we go ahead and say that you have 23 units with no plan,

[3:57:20] Voice 7: and you could build like quite extensive things with no none of these covenants with none of this

[3:57:26] Voice 7: stuff in place and there's nothing we can do about it right so we're in a complicated situation

[3:57:34] Voice 7: that we would like to be able to give you the things that we're talking about and we actually

[3:57:40] Voice 7: want you to build that sort of ecological thing that you have described multiple times but we

[3:57:47] Voice 7: we can't require you to do it.

[3:57:49] Voice 7: You could go build 6,000 square feet of unit.

[3:57:53] Voice 7: The way that this works here,

[3:57:56] Voice 7: and this is different than other municipalities,

[3:57:59] Voice 7: is if we give you the 2,300 and there's 600,

[3:58:02] Voice 7: but sorry, it's more than that.

[3:58:03] Voice 7: So if we give you 23 units and it's 600 square feet per unit,

[3:58:07] Voice 7: it's 23 times 600, you could go build all that

[3:58:10] Voice 7: without any consideration necessarily

[3:58:13] Voice 7: for a bunch of other characteristics that we've talked about.

[3:58:17] Voice 7: we won't have any recourse there's nothing why

[3:58:20] Voice 6: can't you stay with the number give them a number

[3:58:22] Voice 6: so they can deal with that number

[3:58:24] Voice 7: no but that you're not understanding what i'm saying so

[3:58:28] Voice 7: i i don't know how else to say that yeah i understand what you're saying but

[3:58:32] Voice 4: your comments to me are suggesting that there isn't a process there's a huge process that we

[3:58:40] Voice 4: have to go through with the crd to get our dp to do anything you are in that process

[3:58:45] Voice 1: water management is

[3:58:47] Voice 4: it all we've looked we've seen it and i've walked it through with crd there is a

[3:58:52] Voice 4: whole process that controls what we do for water for sewage for parking for everything we don't

[3:58:59] Voice 4: need the island stress to be another body

[3:59:01] Voice 6: well we have to come to you too if they could do a deep

[3:59:03] Voice 6: we're in a dpa or the person we

[3:59:05] Voice 4: come to you you're in the process and that's why we wanted to avoid

[3:59:10] Voice 4: the covenant without the suggestion because it was a whole nother ball of wax and to be honest

[3:59:17] Voice 4: seeing how things change and and i don't i think ben is retiring it's a great year coming back but

[3:59:24] Voice 4: seeing how things change we won't agree with what you have presented i'm telling you that

[3:59:30] Voice 4: so we're not going to because once you i learned i've worked with a lot of cities and once you

[3:59:36] Voice 4: give it's often hard to get back and we're the big bad bully the commercial on a quiet

[3:59:42] Voice 4: rural residential street and and you know i think there were two letters written

[3:59:47] Voice 4: and there were also two positive letters written about strengthening our density

[3:59:52] Voice 4: and you having that power so it's kind of a 50 50 on the street so you know

[4:00:00] Voice 4: there is a process there we have been trying to work with you to find a middle point believe me

[4:00:06] Voice 4: we don't want to give up half our density but you and you've invested millions of dollars

[4:00:11] Voice 4: and given up everything you have we've been trying to find a happy medium what you have done today

[4:00:19] Voice 4: is taking it all basically and i don't think that's fair i think we've operated with you

[4:00:25] Voice 4: with good faith we've told you our plan these two have given up their life they live here they want

[4:00:29] Voice 4: there's a family here and i'm sorry that you're frustrated i'm

[4:00:34] Trustee McConchie: not frustrated at all i'm emotional

[4:00:36] Voice 4: because this is our life so i

[4:00:39] Voice 4: understand that's

[4:00:40] Trustee McConchie: not i'm not just want to be clear i'm not frustrated

[4:00:41] Trustee McConchie: at all i'm just wondering if you're not not quite hearing what i i'm as a trustee my job is to

[4:00:49] Trustee McConchie: represent the community and the needs of the community i said really clearly that it would

[4:00:54] Trustee McConchie: be really helpful if i knew what you guys were doing and i don't have any idea and then you guys

[4:00:59] Trustee McConchie: have just come back and said because you guys have been moving the numbers around

[4:01:03] Trustee McConchie: no it's not it's

[4:01:04] Voice 5: not our problem but

[4:01:05] Trustee McConchie: just a second is it is it our fault i just want i

[4:01:09] Trustee McConchie: literally wanted to say what are you guys doing so i can go back to all the folks on mckinnon

[4:01:14] Trustee McConchie: who are concerned but don't want to cause trouble and say to them actually they've really thought it

[4:01:19] Trustee McConchie: through but i have nothing right now that's what i'm

[4:01:21] Trustee McConchie: trying to say we

[4:01:22] Voice 6: have we have a few

[4:01:24] Voice 6: you've

[4:01:25] Trustee McConchie: walked no no i i'm trying to tell you in this circumstance i was trying to be as helpful

[4:01:31] Trustee McConchie: as i could i'm not comfortable right now not knowing what's going on really i know you guys

[4:01:37] Trustee McConchie: are awesome people and this is not a debate on your personality your family or anything like that

[4:01:43] Trustee McConchie: it's just to make sure i've dotted my eyes and crossed my t's when i make what i'm comfortable

[4:01:49] Trustee McConchie: making and voting on something that that will impact the neighborhood it will so i want so

[4:01:56] Trustee McConchie: doesn't that make sense where am

[4:01:59] Trustee McConchie: i not being logical it

[4:02:00] Voice 4: does to a degree but we have given up

[4:02:03] Voice 4: 50 we have told you what we're doing 15 and 5 that's what we can live with that was our bottom

[4:02:09] Voice 4: number they set up they said business people we are

[4:02:12] Voice 4: business people they're only brook has

[4:02:15] Voice 4: even 30 yet you know they do need to earn money we calculated the numbers 15 times by the 1333

[4:02:24] Voice 4: a 50 reduction that is huge i've never ever seen anybody give up that and we have offered you that

[4:02:32] Voice 4: but we do

[4:02:33] Voice 1: have plans for sure yeah we

[4:02:35] Voice 4: have to hire professionals we can't just say oh this

[4:02:38] Voice 4: you know the sewage is going there the water is happening here yeah we

[4:02:42] Voice 4: have our number

[4:02:45] Voice 4: to randomly do a plan for a number like what happens for a number today

[4:02:50] Voice 3: i hear you like i said saturday we've got it's going to be an open house style

[4:02:57] Voice 3: i think this is a conversation this is an area that is worthy of having you know we'll have

[4:03:04] Voice 3: more conversation on saturday

[4:03:05] Trustee McConchie: so but i just want to be clear i've never asked for a professional

[4:03:09] Trustee McConchie: report no we know that

[4:03:10] Trustee McConchie: but we understand

[4:03:11] Voice 6: that but it's still like it's still to put that we we've

[4:03:14] Voice 6: shown you our like our vision and what we want it to look like we have given that to you but

[4:03:19] Voice 6: there is a document in there that yeah

[4:03:21] Trustee McConchie: there's word words and yeah

[4:03:22] Voice 6: well

[4:03:23] Voice 1: i

[4:03:26] Voice 6: don't

[4:03:29] Trustee McConchie: know what it

[4:03:29] Trustee McConchie: looks like i don't i mean i just an idea to go back to say to folks what

[4:03:34] Voice 6: is going on

[4:03:36] Voice 6: how

[4:03:36] Trustee McConchie: about this you're not hearing me i don't know what you guys are totally doing there

[4:03:41] Trustee McConchie: that's that would help me

[4:03:43] Voice 4: 15 and 5 and supporting infrastructure

[4:03:49] Voice 3: you're going to be here saturday you know we're going to figure out in a little while

[4:03:54] Voice 3: we're going to talk about we talk on the phone um how we're going to run saturday but uh it's

[4:04:01] Voice 3: worthy of a conversation on saturday and you know let's have a nice deep dive and

[4:04:07] Voice 7: what i would

[4:04:09] Voice 7: encourage you to do is that i agree that you have put some work on paper but i actually wouldn't

[4:04:14] Voice 7: mind to see like just a sketch from you i'm sure you

[4:04:17] Voice 7: have it because you probably are thinking this

[4:04:19] Voice 7: through just to like outline of the property that you make here's the houses so at the community

[4:04:25] Voice 7: you can bring it and people can see it and talk about it and it's concrete that we can say this

[4:04:31] Voice 7: This is what you're talking about, right?

[4:04:32] Voice 7: And that allows for a shared vision

[4:04:34] Voice 7: so that everybody understands what that is

[4:04:37] Voice 7: because we are getting different conversations

[4:04:40] Voice 7: going back and forth.

[4:04:41] Voice 7: One other thing I just need to address,

[4:04:44] Voice 7: the idea that we're being flippant in this conversation

[4:04:49] Voice 7: or that we're laughing,

[4:04:51] Voice 7: that is you're misinterpreting what happened

[4:04:53] Voice 7: because the frustration with me in the laughter

[4:04:56] Voice 7: was about the way that things were numbered on my lap.

[4:04:59] Voice 7: It had not to do with your property. It had to do with that and the frustrations about that fact that things were not.

[4:05:05] Voice 7: Okay, thank

[4:05:06] Voice 6: you for the clarification because I didn't deal with it.

[4:05:08] Voice 7: No, I'm sure it didn't. The whole thing was very random.

[4:05:11] Voice 7: No,

[4:05:12] Voice 4: I'm sure it was hard.

[4:05:14] Voice 7: Yeah, but that was like so deeply frustrating for me to try and figure out the specific lot numbers that were left.

[4:05:20] Voice 7: to that you'll

[4:05:21] Voice 6: say thank you to you guys you have a very difficult job and you know what i understand

[4:05:25] Voice 6: how difficult it is for you um and i just want to say still even those processes didn't like this

[4:05:30] Voice 6: like i know this is not a private situation for you to sit through as well um but again i just

[4:05:35] Voice 6: want to like we're here still to work you know you want this to work really like you really want

[4:05:39] Voice 6: this to work but right now my last thing i'll say is that i just didn't feel fair and like that's

[4:05:45] Voice 6: i can say oh i'm just gonna we're gonna do that the the

[4:05:48] Voice 7: i really don't want him to get lost that

[4:05:51] Voice 7: my closing statement on that conversation was that we are not saying that we are decreasing that

[4:05:57] Voice 7: density in the sense of we just need to see the plan and we need to see like the like it needs to

[4:06:05] Voice 7: be a conversation with that community okay because like with that group because this process right

[4:06:10] Voice 7: now is the land use by process that's covering a whole ton of different things across the islands

[4:06:16] Voice 7: like the commercial thing at port wash the same thing right like if we don't change that to

[4:06:21] Voice 7: residential i'm sure that the property owner there's not that happy either okay but we're

[4:06:26] Voice 7: not saying that don't do that what we're saying is you need to have that as a like a singular

[4:06:32] Voice 7: application that goes forward and i understand your points you have a very good point that like

[4:06:37] Voice 7: it creates uncertainty for you which is the stress of this situation

[4:06:41] Voice 4: i understand that

[4:06:43] Voice 4: and i think

[4:06:44] Voice 4: that what i would be looking for is you know that reasonable point that we can agree yeah um and and

[4:06:53] Voice 4: that was the 15 and the five that was our bottom line in terms of our numbers and what we put into

[4:06:59] Voice 4: it and

[4:07:00] Voice 7: so what we just want to see is where does that live on the landscape right like where does

[4:07:04] Voice 7: that what does that look like in size what's the total square footage that that's covering and

[4:07:08] Voice 7: where does it sit across the land literally that and not a professional report just a vision of

[4:07:13] Voice 7: that that we can share with you okay

[4:07:16] Voice 3: okay so saturday please come and carry on that conversation

[4:07:22] Voice 3: all right uh uh michael quickly if you

[4:07:27] Trustee McConchie: need to go like staff you

[4:07:29] Voice 3: guys can go yeah

[4:07:30] Trustee McConchie: I'll listen to Michael and Ann.

[4:07:33] Voice 9: I have to shut down the meeting though.

[4:07:40] Voice 3: So quickly,

[4:07:41] Voice 14: Michael,

[4:07:44] Voice 3: fast, fast, fast.

[4:07:47] Voice 14: In 2006, the APC was to review the letter of the by-law, and currently, as I said, it was quite a change in the by-law, whatever.

[4:07:58] I guess you could impact it, because the number of units in that parcel was calculated from a fixed base under all CQ zones.

[4:08:07] So many units were in the

[4:08:10] Voice 14: CQ zone, but exactly the same allocation.

[4:08:12] Voice 14: and the feeling then and they essentially didn't have you know still like the fresh

[4:08:26] water resource would internally or self

[4:08:32] Voice 14: -limit what was actually built because there simply

[4:08:35] Voice 14: isn't enough water to accommodate that level at current a massive story of times

[4:08:41] Voice 14: One of the policy statements that could be binding policies is that each island shall be self-sufficient in terms of water.

[4:08:51] Voice 14: I went down the line up and spoke to the island calling, or whatever it is, the company that delivers water for two decades to Pender Island.

[4:09:02] Voice 14: And I asked, how much water do you deliver? And the answer is about 700,000 liters a year to Pender.

[4:09:08] Voice 14: And the management made an exception, but the new unit quite close to us, the commercial

[4:09:20] Voice 14: center, which you people didn't discuss, and they took care of it, and he said they ran

[4:09:30] Voice 14: the 12-month run, and we delivered 15,000 liters per day.

[4:09:36] Voice 14: So,

[4:09:41] Voice 11: Dr. Moore, he assessed

[4:09:43] Voice 14: first and discussed them at the heart of it.

[4:10:01] Michael,

[4:10:16] Voice 3: I hate to

[4:10:16] Voice 14: cut you off, but

[4:10:17] Trustee McConchie: I think your point is very clear, Michael, and it's

[4:10:20] Trustee McConchie: And

[4:10:21] Voice 3: quickly, sorry,

[4:10:22] Trustee McConchie: we really have

[4:10:23] Voice 2: to go, but well, I would just like to say, I feel for these people because I feel like I'm watching myself 10 years ago.

[4:10:32] Voice 3: Thank you very much.

[4:10:33] Voice 2: And I'm sitting here 10 years later.

[4:10:36] Voice 2: And, yeah, it's, it's, it's heartbreaking to watch people.

[4:10:42] Voice 2: We went to the trustees of the day with plans all laid out.

[4:10:50] Voice 2: and 10 years later we still don't know well

[4:10:53] Trustee McConchie: and i can assure you that in this circumstance it's

[4:10:56] Trustee McConchie: not history will not repeat itself because you have different trustees this is a different

[4:10:59] Trustee McConchie: trustee group right now so i wouldn't i wouldn't uh suggest that at all there's a different trust

[4:11:05] Trustee McConchie: committee i sat through all those meetings i saw that i saw what happened almost all in

[4:11:13] Trustee McConchie: eight years of it you and i have been ltc buddies

[4:11:17] Voice 3: points made i appreciate it

[4:11:28] Voice 3: okay for that do i have a motion to adjourn i'd

[4:11:32] Trustee McConchie: like to make a motion to adjourn

[4:11:34] Voice 3: all those in

[4:11:36] Voice 3: favor all right we're adjourned thank you guys please come saturday