North Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, August 13, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee McConchie: like that rather than a speech that says that makes sense that's where we're at right now

[0:00:06] Trustee McConchie: the public hearing in september is a great chance if you want to bring folks from the community

[0:00:11] Trustee McConchie: with petitions and uh signs or whatever and have your real say okay um just to let you guys know

[0:00:18] Trustee McConchie: yeah and

[0:00:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): i would add that that um you can frame things in terms of questions or suggestions at

[0:00:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): this point um we've had lots of suggestions just from the conversation in the room today

[0:00:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): and emails over the last few two days um a few weeks um so that's also helpful okay so questions

[0:00:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): or suggestions at this point because this is a dynamic document i think it's still right

[0:00:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay

[0:00:45] Voice 3: sorry we are live streaming and reporting thank you for that reminder because we almost

[0:00:49] Voice 3: weren't um and uh thank you

[0:00:52] Trustee McConchie: for those this is a couple of things also i have a few that

[0:00:54] Trustee McConchie: federal line clarifying yes we are in the process right now today just to read to reiterate there

[0:01:01] Trustee McConchie: are draft files that we will vote on to be sent to the public hearing right that we have not

[0:01:08] Trustee McConchie: scheduled the public hearing yet and as you just heard from chair patrick the concern we have now

[0:01:12] Trustee McConchie: is that the basic public service civil the folks that our staff might go on strike right so there's

[0:01:19] Trustee McConchie: a lot of unknowns in the air actually right now on exactly what how that's going to unfold it's

[0:01:24] Trustee McConchie: just to clarify. I'm hoping

[0:01:25] Voice 3: that's an unknown factor there. Okay, so again, this is your

[0:01:33] Voice 3: opportunity to speak with us, but I just went over a minute ago,

[0:01:38] Voice 3: so it would be useful, well,

[0:01:41] Voice 3: this microphone is really good. If you've got a loud voice, you can stay where you are, but if

[0:01:46] Voice 3: you're a bit quiet, I would ask that you just move to the front. We can either put a chair

[0:01:50] Voice 3: or near you don't have to stand but uh this this microphone is very good it does pick up all around

[0:01:55] Voice 3: the room you're whispering so you know

[0:01:57] Trustee McConchie: it's really interrupt again do we have to adopt the agenda

[0:02:01] Voice 3: gosh thank you for uh sorry no

[0:02:05] Trustee McConchie: i'm just you're dealing with the technology

[0:02:17] Yes, we have an agenda before us.

[0:02:20] Voice 3: It's quite simple. We have a community information meeting

[0:02:22] Voice 3: now before us. Is there any changes to the agenda? So we'll approve the agenda through

[0:02:30] Voice 3: general consent. And thank you for that reminder. So what

[0:02:38] Voice 3: What would I ask you to do?

[0:02:40] Voice 3: I mean, I can either raise,

[0:02:41] Voice 3: I guess we'll just raise hands and then come forward.

[0:02:44] Voice 3: So we'd like to go first.

[0:02:45] Voice 3: I saw your hand back there.

[0:02:47] Voice 3: So, Dorothy, can we do a round of speakers list

[0:02:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): and just get a speakers list going?

[0:02:52] Voice 13: So do you wanna, okay,

[0:02:53] Voice 14: because I feel like people aren't responding.

[0:02:55] Trustee McConchie: That's a good idea.

[0:02:56] Voice 14: If the

[0:02:56] Trustee McConchie: speakers don't mind coming,

[0:02:57] Trustee McConchie: this chair is for the folks

[0:02:58] Trustee McConchie: that aren't able to attend the meeting

[0:02:59] Trustee McConchie: or to be able to hear you and listen to the recording

[0:03:01] Trustee McConchie: later on, if you don't mind,

[0:03:02] Trustee McConchie: like a game show coming down.

[0:03:04] Trustee McConchie: Okay,

[0:03:04] Voice 11: actually, I

[0:03:06] Voice 3: know

[0:03:08] Trustee McConchie: that's a good

[0:03:09] Voice 3: suggestion. So when, you know, get behind her next to me.

[0:03:15] Voice 3: So yeah, I have two

[0:03:16] Voice 16: questions regarding first questions regarding the C2 zone behind Griffith

[0:03:22] Voice 16: Center. We'd like the trustees to consider if they want rental housing as part of the C2,

[0:03:32] Voice 16: rather than changing it we'd like you to consider adding it to permitted uses

[0:03:37] Voice 16: um as i said before we are planning a campground in that area which we think will be more beneficial

[0:03:44] Voice 16: to driftwood and to the community but we'd like to to consider adding it rather than taking away

[0:03:51] Voice 16: everything else um the second question is there

[0:03:54] Trustee McConchie: a question well

[0:03:56] Voice 16: yes that's the first suggestion

[0:03:57] Voice 16: suggestion. The other suggestion is that you postpone all these bylaw changes and the second

[0:04:07] Voice 16: and third readings till after the elections. Thank

[0:04:11] Voice 3: you. So just voluntarily come here and

[0:04:17] Voice 3: next. You can come just sort of line

[0:04:25] Voice 13: up behind her so you're ready to go.

[0:04:26] Voice 13: i wanted to speak to the uh the proposed shipping container provision but could you also say your

[0:04:33] Voice 13: names are recorded can hear who's speaking karen bell the 224 amendments provide now that if you

[0:04:42] Voice 13: have an acre or more you can put a shipping container on the lot and require screening

[0:04:53] Voice 13: My question is, for the currently existing shipping containers, so let's say the property

[0:05:02] Voice 13: is over an acre and there are two shipping containers, will that property owner be grandfathered

[0:05:08] Voice 13: in, or will they be required to remove one of them?

[0:05:13] Voice 3: That's a good question, Kim.

[0:05:15] Voice 3: The

[0:05:15] Voice 12: use would be grandfathered, the density.

[0:05:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): so they would not be able to have a shipping oh the density would so they would be allowed to

[0:05:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): no because they're not allowed to now they'd

[0:05:27] Voice 12: be protected under local government act for

[0:05:30] Voice 12: a non-conforming density so they it would be protected be grandfathered if you have two

[0:05:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): sorry can i just be super super clear on this so right now the rules in our bylaws say that they

[0:05:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): can have two or they are currently there's no room there's

[0:05:47] Voice 12: no room there's no room

[0:05:49] Voice 12: microphone just

[0:05:55] Voice 13: i'm not talking about a vacant lot i'm talking about you know it's my understanding they're an

[0:06:00] Voice 13: accessory yeah accessory

[0:06:02] Voice 13: okay yeah thank you thank you so yeah they would be grandfathered

[0:06:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then

[0:06:05] Voice 13: i've got a couple of angles of this issue and then if the lot is under an acre

[0:06:12] Voice 13: will they still be grandfathered the new provision is if you have a lot if you have property over an

[0:06:19] Voice 13: acre you can have one shipping container i understand there'll be grandfathering and

[0:06:24] Voice 13: will that grandfathering also pertain if you have less than an acre i think that the the desire is

[0:06:29] Voice 13: yeah i can put these suckers on bigger lots yeah

[0:06:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): i can answer that i think i know the answer but

[0:06:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): correct me if i'm wrong um so the answer is that uh anything when you change a bylaw that was in

[0:06:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): it was already done on a property under the previous bylaw is grandfathered and then the

[0:06:50] Voice 13: follow-up question is um the provision new provision or proposed provision talks about

[0:06:56] Voice 13: screening so you get the shipping container you gotta screen if there are shipping containers in

[0:07:01] Voice 13: place and will be allowed to stay in place will the owners be required to screen

[0:07:07] Voice 3: i don't think so

[0:07:10] Voice 3: ham did you hear the question yeah

[0:07:12] Voice 12: it would be grandfathered so you wouldn't have to

[0:07:16] Voice 12: um abide by that so

[0:07:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): however i'm going to qualify that so the that's the law okay that's the way

[0:07:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): the law would run however if we have a new set of rules that the community buys into we most

[0:07:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): certainly can go to those landowners and say hey the community has agreed to these you know set of

[0:07:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): rules around screening would it be nice if you just like updated yours you know 1950s non-screen

[0:07:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): version to a screen version so that you know good neighborhood and we can't we can't enforce it like

[0:07:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's not well

[0:07:47] Voice 13: i have an even um more communal proposal and that is if if one wanted to screen

[0:07:56] Voice 13: it and then you're not the owner and basically by you know raising the height of the fence with

[0:08:02] Voice 13: some lattice or something appropriate uh within i'd be running a file of the fence rules that

[0:08:07] Voice 13: say my fence can only be this high if i wanted to you know right you know something it's got

[0:08:13] Voice 13: to be attractive to me right and so it will be if i did it uh but you know to just then i don't have

[0:08:20] Voice 13: to look at shipping containers if i don't want to or

[0:08:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): would i get

[0:08:24] Voice 13: the bylaw enforcement officer

[0:08:25] Voice 13: they're paying a visit to tell me that my fence is too high yeah

[0:08:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): uh yes on the ladder and if

[0:08:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): there wasn't a variance in place but my question kim really and correct me if i'm wrong on any of

[0:08:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): this but if there is there a variance allowed on the height of fence is that a variable thing

[0:08:43] Voice 12: absolutely but the land use bylaw actually allows a fence to be up to three meters in height which

[0:08:49] Voice 12: is almost 10 feet so if you need to go beyond three meters in height yes you would have to

[0:08:57] Voice 12: apply for a variance i'll have to

[0:09:00] Voice 13: measure the chipping container yeah so

[0:09:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): so there are pathways

[0:09:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): to do an alternative fence but unfortunately if your neighbor isn't neighborly in the way that

[0:09:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): they co-offense with you or defense for you then you would pick the cost of the fence

[0:09:13] Voice 13: it's not an

[0:09:14] Voice 13: issue of neighborliness or cost it's just about being entitled to yeah totally thank you

[0:09:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): and just

[0:09:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): to be clear i would be all in support of giving you a higher fence if somebody refuses to scream

[0:09:30] Voice 5: hi sure okay i'm buck wilson i'm the president of the magic thing popular society although i'm

[0:09:37] Voice 5: having trouble getting them all to come to consensus because most of them are floating

[0:09:40] Voice 5: around and trying to go out there and find dead spots where their cell phone doesn't work

[0:09:46] Voice 5: then i also have one director who's banging around the bottom i'll be

[0:09:50] Voice 5: back in australia so this has been quite an exercise to try and get people involved i'm

[0:09:55] Voice 5: not quite sure this is all going to some some of the questions i'm dealing with from them

[0:10:01] Voice 5: directors are first of all the uh sorry

[0:10:04] Trustee McConchie: bob just for clarification i spread interrupt

[0:10:06] Trustee McConchie: you're representing the magic lake property owners association and their their i am as

[0:10:11] Voice 5: far as trying

[0:10:12] Voice 5: to get some more information to help others okay great awesome so you'll report back to them

[0:10:16] Voice 5: okay thanks bob i'm not telling you what they're saying right now

[0:10:20] Voice 5: i'm actually telling you there's some questions just

[0:10:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): before you get going kim can you hear him

[0:10:28] Voice 5: okay yeah helicopter anyway um so first of all my first question is on something that

[0:10:36] Voice 5: what went into the rr1 that i don't understand so i have a question of something i was really

[0:10:41] Voice 5: looking forward to going in it didn't work so the first thing is the pig farming dog breeding

[0:10:46] Voice 5: hoarding kennels and keeping livestock ended up as part of the rural residential bond zone.

[0:10:55] Voice 5: I'm wondering why pig farming dog breeding kennels are in there because we don't have a lot big

[0:11:02] Voice 5: enough for the definitions to ever put in those so they would never show up. So I was kind of

[0:11:06] Voice 5: wondering why they were in the zone in the first place. And the keeping of livestock, a quick look

[0:11:12] Voice 5: look at the map i could see three lots that's possibly enough to be keeping the

[0:11:17] Voice 5: so the

[0:11:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): pig i don't know why the pig farming and dog breeding and because

[0:11:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): dog parks are super popular in that area um so

[0:11:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): i know that um so i was just wondering if it actually wasn't the original intention was around

[0:11:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): chickens was that the issue well

[0:11:47] Voice 12: i'm not sure what the original intent was but this was copied

[0:11:50] Voice 12: directly from bylaw 103 this use oh

[0:11:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so this is actually a remnant use oh it's because we split

[0:12:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): the zones so so it's okay thank you and it's only

[0:12:04] Voice 19: permitted on

[0:12:05] Voice 12: on lots greater than 1.2 hectares okay

[0:12:12] Voice 5: yeah so that's why i was wondering why it was similar because there wasn't a lot yeah

[0:12:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): so it's it's uh so there is a number of things that might seem a little weird in magic for a

[0:12:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): little bit like because they're splitting the zoning of rr to rr1 and rr2 to help adjust

[0:12:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): just going forward means that some of the things

[0:12:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): that were in RR may still apply

[0:12:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): to a couple of the lots related

[0:12:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): and we didn't necessarily want to remove those uses

[0:12:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): for those few folks.

[0:12:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): So then there's a size limitation related to it.

[0:12:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): So it's a very narrow number of things that it applies to.

[0:12:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah.

[0:12:47] Voice 5: However, the livestock thing,

[0:12:50] Voice 5: I don't believe we have anybody

[0:12:52] Voice 5: using Magic Lake for

[0:12:53] Trustee McConchie: doing the livestock.

[0:12:54] Trustee McConchie: Well, that's what I was going to ask Bob.

[0:12:55] Trustee McConchie: In your experience talking to folks at Magic Lake,

[0:12:57] Trustee McConchie: does anybody have an intent to have a pig farm?

[0:13:00] Trustee McConchie: oh

[0:13:00] Voice 5: they couldn't even they wanted to but no okay

[0:13:02] Trustee McConchie: does anyone have an intent to have livestock in

[0:13:06] Trustee McConchie: magic lake is there i

[0:13:07] Voice 5: haven't talked to people about it but there are i could just looking at

[0:13:11] Voice 5: the map before i came down here i could see three that looked like they were big enough for

[0:13:15] Voice 5: livestock two of them are empty lots everyone had a house on it um

[0:13:20] Voice 5: so it's just a potential thing we're talking about what about chickens

[0:13:29] Voice 14: Are chickens live now?

[0:13:31] Voice 5: Chickens are different.

[0:13:32] Voice 5: Chickens we don't mind.

[0:13:34] Voice 5: Okay, thank you.

[0:13:39] Voice 5: Chickens.

[0:13:41] Voice 5: Yeah, but the big

[0:13:42] Voice 19: farm and the livestock, they have

[0:13:44] Voice 5: a significant interest issue with it.

[0:13:47] Voice 5: The thing that we really missed, and I think we really missed, was having the rental thing, rental suites,

[0:13:55] Voice 5: except for any rental suites or whatever as a general regulation there's nothing in rr1 about

[0:14:01] Voice 5: a different situation for magic lake considering that it's really the only place that has the

[0:14:06] Voice 5: infrastructure to support that kind of thing and i was looking forward to some more flexibility

[0:14:11] Voice 5: and then wondering why it didn't make it in there i think we even chatted about that as

[0:14:16] Voice 5: there way back at the beginning when this was just kind of just

[0:14:21] Voice 5: a gleam kind of idea to do it. And I remember having to say,

[0:14:26] Voice 5: and to play with rental properties, you know why they

[0:14:30] Voice 5: have to still be in the main house and not accessories. We

[0:14:37] Voice 5: can't be laneway housing because we don't have lanes, but we

[0:14:40] Voice 5: could put them on top of a garage or something. A lot of

[0:14:42] Voice 5: people are uncomfortable with having the rental in the house,

[0:14:45] Voice 5: but not necessarily uncomfortable with having a department accessory building not a standalone

[0:14:51] Voice 5: yeah and

[0:14:52] Voice 5: also as a side if you put it on top of your eyes you might get rid of some of those

[0:14:57] Voice 5: ugly plastic moving tires and garages that are all over the place so um

[0:15:06] Trustee McConchie: um so just so i'm clear

[0:15:09] Trustee McConchie: magic lake property owners are suggesting that they they would rent out if it was an accessory

[0:15:15] Trustee McConchie: building you know that this local trust committee had permitted uh basement suites and we've only

[0:15:19] Trustee McConchie: had one permit from my knowledge from the crd building permit yeah it's only even though we

[0:15:24] Voice 14: had that one weird situation

[0:15:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): where somebody actually got two buildings on their one lot

[0:15:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): there so they actually do have the situation you're talking about where there's two residences

[0:15:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): But

[0:15:35] Voice 3: I I I know we we did have this conversation. Yeah, you were interested but thought this should be a separate house.

[0:15:41] Voice 3: That was so it wasn't part of this project, but they were intrigued.

[0:15:45] Voice 3: But to have that conversation.

[0:15:46] Voice 5: So that's why it's not just wondering why.

[0:15:48] Voice 5: No, no, i'm not just here in your legacy, but we're just wondering at the moment.

[0:15:56] Voice 5: but I'm wondering why that's not what it's not even in there as a separate thing when that seemed

[0:16:02] Voice 5: to be one of the back then one of the motivations for the separate zoning so

[0:16:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah I'll answer that

[0:16:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): because I'm super specific on that you might also have a different answer but so um I really

[0:16:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): thought that idea is super interesting but what that idea does is it increases density

[0:16:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): density, and any conversation where we're going to increase density in any kind of radical

[0:16:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): except potentially could, could everybody could potentially double the density magically.

[0:16:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): And so to me, that's not something I want to put in a bio land use bylaw review, but

[0:16:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): the RR one zoning separation allows for it to be a conversation with all the folks inside

[0:16:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): the RR one zone in the future as a separate project just a standalone project to talk

[0:16:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): about.

[0:16:44] Voice 5: and then amend this at that point and then

[0:16:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): it could be amended

[0:16:47] Voice 5: but

[0:16:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): then we could actually

[0:16:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): have like a deeper conversation just about that and to me that's such a significant change

[0:16:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): in how things are that it really needs a total standalone conversation okay

[0:17:00] Voice 11: all

[0:17:01] Voice 5: right i actually

[0:17:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): do think it has a lot of merit but i just think yeah i

[0:17:05] Voice 5: have other ideas i'll take it under the

[0:17:07] Voice 5: discussion um the

[0:17:09] Voice 14: final thing is hold on one second did you have anything else on that no no

[0:17:13] Trustee McConchie: not at all i just i just want to reiterate about how important the magic property owners association

[0:17:17] Trustee McConchie: uh their opinion is in this particular circumstance so thanks for working hard

[0:17:21] Trustee McConchie: volunteering your time to get them i hope i get 20 seconds 20 seconds

[0:17:26] Voice 5: what oh there's no no

[0:17:29] Voice 3: there's a deadline

[0:17:29] Voice 5: sorry

[0:17:30] Voice 3: i'm not sure what you're doing

[0:17:35] Voice 5: deadline to get in a submission there's a form for us to sign and collect it over oh i don't

[0:17:40] Voice 19: we can check

[0:17:41] Voice 5: anyway they mentioned 30 days in their work 20 seconds so that's what i'm working

[0:17:47] Voice 5: for anyway it's right at the beginning of the cover letter anyway final final thing that i

[0:17:54] Voice 5: would sit down i remember the discussion about the 2500 square foot and this is a little bit

[0:17:59] Voice 5: of a hot button issue with some people i'm not so worried about it but some people are

[0:18:03] Voice 5: they have two questions about that the director is one how will that impact

[0:18:11] Voice 5: budget any future improvements to properties that are not conforming to the square footage thing

[0:18:20] Voice 5: oh

[0:18:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): we totally heard you on that one despite all of this a lot that contains legal dwelling

[0:18:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): constructed prior to the adoption of this by law

[0:18:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): a replacement dwelling may be constructed so this

[0:18:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): is actually the my house burns down i still want to rebuild it um or the existing dwelling

[0:18:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): reconstruction altar provided the floor area of the replacement does not exceed so you can rebuild

[0:18:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): a bigger building on the same lot if your house burns to its cinder more than 75 you can still

[0:18:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): rebuild that same size building um and if the grandfathering cause is not automatic and improving

[0:18:55] Voice 5: it too when you say the wiring needs updating yeah people say

[0:19:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's non-conforming but it's not it's

[0:19:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): not non-conforming it's legal non-conforming that's

[0:19:07] Voice 5: different and second question on the

[0:19:08] Voice 5: same topic is because this is probably the only one that has any significant unpopularity is

[0:19:15] Voice 5: is that i remember a comment about um this really wasn't an impact magic lake very well very much

[0:19:23] Voice 5: because of the percentage of of your property you're allowed to cover with a building anyway

[0:19:29] Voice 5: that this is not going to make a whole lot of difference and so i'm kind of wondering if it's

[0:19:33] Voice 5: going to make a whole lot of difference to what's existing already and it is pretty much there well

[0:19:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's an interesting question um i i have an answer but can you

[0:19:45] Trustee McConchie: go ahead trust me so

[0:19:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): it it may not influence the 25 ground cover but it may help stop the giant massing projects that

[0:19:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): we've had problems with like like so for instance let's take a theoretical building i'm not going to

[0:20:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): to talk about a specific property, but it's blue. And it doesn't necessarily meet byline

[0:20:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): requirements. It's too high. It is too big of a building. And we didn't have square feet. Okay.

[0:20:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): There's no square feet right now. So it is on its footprint, not over the 25% thing. Okay. And in

[0:20:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): this situation, what happened to get around the fact that they were too high is they attached

[0:20:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): the building to the garage. So now they made a bigger footprint while the garage was still there,

[0:20:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): but they made the house a bigger house to bring down the height of the house, the average height

[0:20:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the house. So the same problem exists in the world. We have a giant blue building theoretically

[0:20:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the community. Okay. So this bylaw would shift that because you wouldn't be allowed to just

[0:20:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): change those rules on the fly to be the 25% coverage is a little more specific about house

[0:20:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): and outbuildings and it allows for like a little tighter control on that so we don't get those like

[0:21:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): giant buildings without some recourse thank

[0:21:03] Voice 5: you very much sorry

[0:21:06] Trustee McConchie: i don't like children

[0:21:06] Trustee McConchie: i grew up in fort langley and pender island and fort langley was a sleepy little town

[0:21:14] Trustee McConchie: little village and that was happened because they didn't have um local government uh violence in

[0:21:20] Trustee McConchie: place 20 years after the housing market took off in vancouver the people came in tore houses down

[0:21:26] Trustee McConchie: and put up houses that were the entire size of a half acre lot, because it's worth more.

[0:21:30] Trustee McConchie: It's Fort Langley, and it's surrounded by water, and they're automatically making a million dollars or whatever.

[0:21:35] Trustee McConchie: So my intent was to have a community address that.

[0:21:40] Trustee McConchie: Is this a concern? It would be great to hear from the Property Owners Association on that particular issue, Bob.

[0:21:45] Trustee McConchie: I'll

[0:21:46] Voice 5: let them know that, and then we'll see what the discussion comes back to.

[0:21:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): And also, to be clear, setting these limits in this bylaw, bylaws are never set in stone.

[0:21:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay they are always living documents what this is is it's changing from something that potentially

[0:22:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): will strip the rural character from different areas of the island because it's a it's a bit of

[0:22:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): a like people didn't really even contemplate how big houses could be under the 25 coverage rule

[0:22:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): in different places and so we're bringing it down to actually more of what is currently on the

[0:22:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): landscape and if it if we find it too restricting as a community we can change it in the future it's

[0:22:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): actually a relatively minor change if it's just the single change we're making right so there is

[0:22:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): room to shift it in the future if we realize as we're starting to build now this is way too

[0:22:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): constraining and you can change it in just one zone you can vary it for once on versus the other

[0:22:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay

[0:22:37] Voice 5: thank you very much thanks bob hey

[0:22:42] Voice 3: go ahead and just jump up all right i am speaking about the

[0:22:57] Voice 3: We spoke and made a submission on Thursday, but I wanted on the record here exactly what

[0:23:05] Voice 3: we're asking for.

[0:23:06] Voice 3: So we've provided motions that would remove agriculture and agritourism accommodation

[0:23:13] Voice 3: accommodation as principal or accessory uses in the proposed bylaw, because we think they're

[0:23:19] Voice 3: absolutely inappropriate for this area. For RR2. For RR2. The second thing, though, to address

[0:23:28] Voice 3: some of the concerns that have been expressed is that we want horticulture and livestock keeping

[0:23:35] Voice 3: recognized as principal permitted use so that vacant properties could be used for those purposes.

[0:23:43] Voice 3: We could have orchards and sheep grazing.

[0:23:47] Voice 3: So we're perfectly comfortable with that.

[0:23:50] Voice 3: And the last thing that we're suggesting to make it perfectly crystal clear, although

[0:23:56] Voice 3: we think it's clear already, and I want that understood, is that we'd like to amend the

[0:24:03] Voice 3: definition of agriculture and add a definition of farm.

[0:24:09] Voice 3: so that there can be no misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the provisions to allow

[0:24:17] Voice 3: the type of structure that we have expressed some concerns about we think that's the current

[0:24:25] Voice 3: situation we don't think there should be any

[0:24:28] Voice 3: change in that so as as we said we're supportive

[0:24:33] Voice 3: of farming we're supportive of small-scale farming uh but we want to protect and preserve

[0:24:41] Voice 3: the rural nature of our two lands so we really appreciate your consideration we've provided

[0:24:47] Voice 3: some language that we think accomplishes what they're asking for and um thank you for listening

[0:24:55] Voice 3: to us you're

[0:24:56] Trustee McConchie: happy so joy great thank you joyce thanks for all your work on this farm just farm

[0:25:01] Trustee McConchie: farm means a farm operation conducted on land

[0:25:03] Trustee McConchie: that is zoned for agriculture as permitted to use.

[0:25:06] Trustee McConchie: So that you're happy with that definition of farm.

[0:25:08] Voice 18: Yes.

[0:25:09] Voice 18: There's

[0:25:09] Trustee McConchie: no loophole that I'm aware of.

[0:25:11] Trustee McConchie: We

[0:25:12] Voice 3: don't think there's a

[0:25:13] Voice 3: loophole right now,

[0:25:14] Voice 3: but we think this makes this expressly clear.

[0:25:18] Voice 3: And there's also a definition that we've included

[0:25:21] Voice 3: a farm operation.

[0:25:23] Voice 3: So that again, it makes it clear

[0:25:26] Voice 3: it's where agriculture is at principle permitted to use.

[0:25:30] Voice 3: so that it's not going to be it is not currently and it will not be included we've also asked for

[0:25:38] Voice 3: bylaw 229 to be revised because there it is suggested in there in section 2.2 that agriculture

[0:25:47] Voice 3: would be a principal permitted use in rr2 so that change has to be made as well

[0:25:55] Voice 3: thank

[0:25:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): you very much i have one question for you kim related to this um so when we're talking about

[0:26:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): uh like on thursday we talked about the accessory building inside agriculture so if

[0:26:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): horticulture is defined and livestock are defined as permitted specific permitted uses inside rr2

[0:26:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): We also had a motion on Thursday so that accessory buildings are limited to 4.6 meters.

[0:26:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): My question is if somebody comes and has a small anchorage and makes a plant a

[0:26:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): variance can they make a building height variance? Is that a thing? Okay so

[0:26:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): So that's super helpful to think about because one of the things related to what you're talking

[0:26:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): about is the goal of these types of changes in our current bylaws is to try and actually

[0:27:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): reflect what is already in our community or what we want as a community.

[0:27:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): And one of the things we don't necessarily want is two acres with, what was it, up to

[0:27:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): 10 15 15 no 10 for the size

[0:27:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): it was a super high building yeah and to me the issue isn't whether

[0:27:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): you have a super high building or not it's how you get it like do you have to come into a community

[0:27:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation with your neighbors to think about that building and to have a plan that is more

[0:27:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the issue for me it's not whether so changing the rules to say that you can't have it actually

[0:27:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): is a statement that you can never have it. It's a statement saying that you have to apply for a

[0:27:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): variance to get it. We

[0:27:43] Voice 3: expected in this case that there would have

[0:27:46] Voice 3: been a variance application. We

[0:27:47] Voice 3: would have been informed. What concerns us is the way the language was being interpreted before and

[0:27:54] Voice 3: could possibly be interpreted in the future would allow for that to continue to happen. So all we're

[0:28:01] Voice 3: we're asking is for neighbors to have to do a variance if they want to do something like that

[0:28:07] Voice 3: and take our concerns into consideration

[0:28:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah and so for me too there's two sides to this right

[0:28:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): because if you're an individual property owner and you want to do something on your property

[0:28:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): you also want to know what are the boundaries like those community-based boundaries and

[0:28:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): expectations and if you want to do something outside that it's not that you have to convince

[0:28:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): all your neighbors is that you have to actually have a conversation with trustees and the neighbors

[0:28:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): and everybody because right

[0:28:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): now this situation and i'm not going to put blame anywhere but this

[0:28:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): situation didn't even involve the trustees in the conversation and so it's just helpful to like have

[0:28:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): a little bit bigger conversation and that's what it triggers well

[0:28:46] Trustee McConchie: but to simplify further

[0:28:48] Trustee McConchie: right now i can i have a fish property i can go hey i intend to grow an orchard that's right and

[0:28:56] Trustee McConchie: And it's not the trust right now, the staff.

[0:28:59] Trustee McConchie: We don't have a process in which they go, really?

[0:29:01] Trustee McConchie: Do you approve it?

[0:29:02] Trustee McConchie: Other than a nice letter.

[0:29:04] Voice 19: So

[0:29:04] Trustee McConchie: you're suggesting, Joyce, let's shore up and other community members, let's really

[0:29:10] Trustee McConchie: clarify things that they have to prove that this is a farm.

[0:29:13] Voice 3: Otherwise,

[0:29:13] Trustee McConchie: it's just a big, giant built farm.

[0:29:16] Trustee McConchie: It's

[0:29:17] Voice 3: exactly like the issue of farm status.

[0:29:20] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:29:21] Voice 3: If this building goes in, the trees are never put in.

[0:29:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): It's there.

[0:29:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, so it's actually a little bit more complicated than that, too, because I understand that Kim also received a legal case from the province of British Columbia that showed that you don't actually have to have the farm in place to have farm activity be provable.

[0:29:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): You have to get that use into place by a certain period of time, but it does not actually have to be in place when you get the change in the building.

[0:29:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): So we actually in this situation, based on case law, are potentially in a situation where the decision that was.

[0:30:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): made is legally binding and if that's the case like and we need to figure that out but if that

[0:30:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): is the case then we need to pull back our bylaws tight enough that there is no vagueness and that's

[0:30:15] Voice 3: what these motions are intended to do is make it absolutely clear that farming is not allowed in

[0:30:23] Voice 3: are to land only horticulture and livestock yeah

[0:30:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): and that if there's horticulture and livestock

[0:30:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): and you want a

[0:30:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): bigger building you have to ask the community for it yeah okay

[0:30:33] Trustee McConchie: can i just ask one

[0:30:34] Trustee McConchie: tangent question what is livestock literally the animals

[0:30:39] Voice 3: it's fine it's that's fine so go

[0:30:41] Voice 3: okay

[0:30:42] Trustee McConchie: that's what i thought there's no other exotic animals like tigers or anything like that

[0:30:53] Voice 19: Okay. Not yet.

[0:30:54] Trustee McConchie: Thank you.

[0:30:55] Trustee McConchie: All

[0:30:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): right. Thank you.

[0:30:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): One last comment that I just want to say.

[0:31:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): I read all the paperwork related to this,

[0:31:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): and thanks for the community who,

[0:31:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): there was a group of folks that submitted this.

[0:31:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): I do also want to just make a comment about fences

[0:31:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): that was raised related to all this review that they did.

[0:31:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): So there is, Kim, in Bylaw 224, 3.3.1a,

[0:31:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): definition of the structure that should be and fences are in there and my concern is that it

[0:31:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): moves fences off the property line into the setback and that is not an intention so it does

[0:31:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): seem that fences somehow got moved with a bunch of other things in the property as opposed to

[0:31:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): existing on the property line so um we need i think it means we need in 3.3.1a just to remove

[0:31:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): fences so we need to think about that

[0:32:08] Voice 3: so just to

[0:32:17] Voice 12: clarify um uh tressie morrison

[0:32:19] Voice 12: and right now as it's worded fences are not permitted in the setback to the natural boundary

[0:32:26] Voice 12: of the sea or the setback yeah so if that's you want actually fences to be included to be allowed

[0:32:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the setback so the the problem that we run into in a number of different places now is depending

[0:32:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): depending on the land, like, so if we, if we don't allow fences into that space, people might not put

[0:32:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): fences on the edge of cliffs and things like that, because they don't want anything like that far

[0:32:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): back from the setback, and that's, there's a safety risk related to that, so I have concerns about

[0:33:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): fences not being allowed on the edges of seats.

[0:33:05] Voice 12: Okay, I can draft a motion, that's, that's pretty

[0:33:07] Voice 12: easy yeah i'll drop the motion right now thank you

[0:33:10] Voice 7: i'm going to speak more to process than content

[0:33:15] Voice 7: the reason i'm going to do that is because i'm totally lost with the content of this language

[0:33:20] Voice 7: every meeting i attend every discussion i hear it changes and there's no document that i can

[0:33:31] Voice 7: look at that shows me all the changes so my question is how can you legitimately hold a

[0:33:40] Voice 7: public hearing in september if you have not finalized the document and circulated it to

[0:33:47] Voice 7: every resident on the island and provide them four weeks to actually read it and think about

[0:33:54] Voice 7: it without moving changes that's my question i

[0:33:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): completely agree with you actually i think we

[0:33:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): need to think carefully today about when we schedule a public hearing um we need to schedule

[0:34:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): a public hearing potentially just to get the notices out whatever but depending on what we

[0:34:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): decide today about the different changes um i i want to see a fully compiled version um before

[0:34:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): we go to public hearing and i really would like to have one more meeting potentially so it's

[0:34:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): something we can talk about when we get to that point but yeah yeah

[0:34:23] Trustee McConchie: i that's an excellent point

[0:34:25] Trustee McConchie: me george number one thing you don't want to do is pass a violent push perceived as being pushed

[0:34:30] Trustee McConchie: through which is why i think i'm hearing from volts this is potentially an election issue that

[0:34:36] Voice 19: could be so

[0:34:36] Trustee McConchie: folks that are interested in running and being a trustee we have up here these bylaws

[0:34:42] Trustee McConchie: we've debated thought through that vigorously like we've been doing this for three i know you're sick

[0:34:48] Trustee McConchie: of hearing my voice trustee morrison but

[0:34:50] Voice 19: we've

[0:34:52] Trustee McConchie: been talking about this i i do firmly believe

[0:34:54] Trustee McConchie: that that's an excellent point george that i'm wondering planner stock deal though um

[0:34:59] Trustee McConchie: are you if you're still there by the way planner stock is very ill and she's being a champion by

[0:35:03] Trustee McConchie: even being on live stream right now um planner stock deal is there a way that we can have a

[0:35:10] Trustee McConchie: document that has the old bylaws and a document that compares it to the new bylaws because i know

[0:35:16] Trustee McConchie: there's members of the community uh that have done this or in this room uh and done that on their own

[0:35:22] Trustee McConchie: work volunteer time and i understand that would be a workload effort for yourself

[0:35:27] Trustee McConchie: uh i'm just one i'm just wondering if that's something that would be able to be put in the

[0:35:32] Trustee McConchie: mail maybe by labor day

[0:35:34] Voice 12: before you i can't guarantee that no yeah and

[0:35:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): and but can we

[0:35:40] Trustee McConchie: just post okay no but i'm just

[0:35:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): curious what the point of a comparison document would be

[0:35:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): like

[0:35:46] Trustee McConchie: well let me ask that question to george who asked the original question george would it be

[0:35:50] Trustee McConchie: be helpful do you think to the community to have a comparison don't track changes

[0:35:54] Voice 7: version that shows

[0:35:55] Voice 7: what's been deleted what's been added i

[0:35:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): think it's very important okay i still don't have a

[0:36:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): reasoning on why that's important i not that you

[0:36:04] Voice 8: see what's been changed without reading through

[0:36:07] Voice 8: hundreds of pages of document and reading it and then trying to go back to the other one and say

[0:36:12] Voice 8: oh they slipped this word in here or they slipped that word in there and that changes the

[0:36:17] Voice 8: problem with that meaning of what's being talked about yeah sorry

[0:36:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): i don't mean to actually

[0:36:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): antagonize you i just want meaning you're kidding

[0:36:24] Voice 11: it's

[0:36:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): good when he gets antagonized

[0:36:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i the reason i also ask is because i've had people say the opposite that they want clean

[0:36:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): version because it's hard to read a track changes version so i've had both people say both so

[0:36:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so that's helpful to know thank you

[0:36:42] Trustee McConchie: just before we address leslie i'm george uh okay but

[0:36:47] Trustee McConchie: But Planner Stockdale just said that would be really hard to get going.

[0:36:49] Trustee McConchie: By that time.

[0:36:50] Trustee McConchie: And the public servants might go on strike.

[0:36:54] Trustee McConchie: So wondering if we could find a compromise.

[0:36:56] Trustee McConchie: I guess what I'm hearing from community members is they want to know the changes, not in legalese and in a Ronald Reagan-style simple document, two pages or three pages.

[0:37:08] Trustee McConchie: Do we have anything like that, Planner Stockdale?

[0:37:11] Voice 12: no the only thing that would show any changes is actually going through the minutes of each

[0:37:15] Voice 12: um ltc meeting um as of may 26 that staff report i was actually tracking all the resolutions

[0:37:24] Voice 12: so i could put a document document together that actually lists all the resolutions the ltc has

[0:37:30] Voice 12: made but other

[0:37:32] Trustee McConchie: than that the work would involve you going through all the minutes basically copy

[0:37:35] Trustee McConchie: being pasted from the minutes what we did so

[0:37:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): so before we get too far on this conversation i just

[0:37:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to pause us okay so if we're going to spend time like this doing this particular thing we have

[0:37:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): a couple things to think about one what is what are we trying to accomplish by what date and why

[0:37:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): are we being constrained by that date so i think we need to be careful about that so we're not

[0:37:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): necessarily constrained by doing it in september so if we want to do particular documents we should

[0:38:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): just do what we think is the right move for communications with the community. The second is

[0:38:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): that if we are going to produce a summary of the changes, a summary of the motions is not helpful

[0:38:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): because part of what is happening across the three years is not that we are somehow schizophrenic

[0:38:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): about all of our decisions. It's that we are iterating with feedback from the community

[0:38:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): and we are listening and trying to modify and get to more of a consensus version.

[0:38:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): version. So seeing that we went back and forth and back and forth and back and forth on something

[0:38:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): isn't that we're indecisive. It's that we're trying to tune it to like what is going to work

[0:38:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): for us as a community. So I think what you said is actually the better way to do it is that we

[0:38:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): should take the time to write a two-page summary of what we think the big changes are once we see

[0:38:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): a track changes version that are in plain language that accompanies a track changes version and

[0:38:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): potentially include I think you could go

[0:38:58] Voice 17: with just the consolidated

[0:38:59] Voice 3: bylaw you know just a summary

[0:39:03] Voice 3: rather than because it sounds like the work that would be involved in doing a track change I see

[0:39:09] Trustee McConchie: Mary Beth has worked hard on this Mary Beth I'd be interested to hear your input

[0:39:14] Trustee McConchie: just on this particular topic yeah

[0:39:16] Voice 3: yeah actually I was going to talk about this so um further to

[0:39:20] Voice 3: what george said and i spoke about this at the last sim you have a new base or model bylaw that

[0:39:26] Voice 3: has been incorporated so my question was to planner stockdale it sounded good that you've

[0:39:33] Voice 3: got bylaws for six or nine months i can't remember what she said six a long time when did the base

[0:39:38] Voice 3: bylaw get brought in i think it was just a few a month ago possibly yeah so you have an entire

[0:39:45] Voice 3: entire new base by-law, which is good, because we want to homogenize across the islands, we do, and

[0:39:51] Voice 3: you know, it's a nightmare with every little single different local trust council, but to me, that's a

[0:39:57] Voice 3: project unto itself, and a planner would do a black line, what we call in the islands trust area,

[0:40:05] Voice 3: a black line copy of just the base by-law versus the land use by-law now, so we understand all

[0:40:13] Voice 3: housekeeping there's a lot of housekeeping in there but there are substantive items in the

[0:40:20] Voice 3: new base bylaw that changes north tender so that we become homogenous that's a project done to

[0:40:26] Voice 3: itself it got introduced a month ago so i'm trying to read through it and i'm i have to read 98 pages

[0:40:34] Voice 3: and compare every single one well planner stockdale has done that good good on you um but

[0:40:40] Voice 3: but we are unaware of that.

[0:40:41] Voice 3: So I would like to suggest

[0:40:42] Voice 3: that it's not a two or three-page normal writing thing.

[0:40:45] Voice 3: It is two things.

[0:40:48] Voice 3: Please let us know what the differences are

[0:40:50] Voice 3: for the base by law, if that would be possible,

[0:40:53] Voice 3: that you propose changes.

[0:40:54] Voice 3: And then consolidation,

[0:40:56] Voice 3: like some of us actually do read

[0:40:58] Voice 3: and understand and navigate through the whole thing.

[0:41:03] Voice 3: I would love to see a black line

[0:41:05] Voice 3: in addition of all of your changes before public hearing,

[0:41:09] Voice 3: of your control changes and you made substantive changes on thursday on the c2s and uh you know

[0:41:16] Voice 3: the rental housing so gee and and that sort of what

[0:41:19] Trustee McConchie: we made draft draft

[0:41:20] Voice 3: yeah um yeah all the draft motions to change your proposed bylaws um but i also would like

[0:41:30] Voice 3: to mention that for our protection um as taxpayers in the island stress area that i would hope that

[0:41:37] Voice 3: be but the kin and c2s are aware that they got reduced uh yeah so um every time you make a change

[0:41:47] Voice 3: like that it's expanded and the notification process and and with people is extremely

[0:41:53] Voice 3: important and as my planning colleagues suggest how possibly we could face you know some difficulties

[0:42:00] Voice 3: the companies in regard to materials let's have that conversation at the very end

[0:42:08] Voice 3: i

[0:42:09] Trustee McConchie: just want to just reiterate a point i see mr sketch your hand just just one second

[0:42:15] Trustee McConchie: this is a message for future trustees in this position right i have we're in an era where i

[0:42:21] Trustee McConchie: post on facebook there's a twitter account i have an instagram account i have i was the first

[0:42:27] Trustee McConchie: trustee to propose the motion with on the help of edward that suggestion to live stream i used to

[0:42:32] Trustee McConchie: put facebook live on the on the meetings and i got in trouble for that because it constitutes

[0:42:38] Trustee McConchie: the patriot act in case somebody swears at someone we can't get the document from the los angeles

[0:42:44] Trustee McConchie: i've done we have done everything excuse me to try and communicate as much as possible

[0:42:49] Trustee McConchie: especially during a pandemic future trustees you have to deal with this issue of folk no

[0:42:55] Trustee McConchie: matter what folks will always come back and say what we didn't know because we don't have a

[0:43:00] Trustee McConchie: newspaper we have the pender post right we used to have a newspaper it's a very challenging time

[0:43:05] Trustee McConchie: to be able to communicate so if you are considering being a trustee please reiterate your

[0:43:10] Trustee McConchie: communication strategy and make sure you let folks know how you're going to inform them uh i really

[0:43:16] Trustee McConchie: respect this suggestion though that there are some technocrats in the room that really want to know

[0:43:21] Trustee McConchie: every little line by line thing uh i'm like but still like i go back to it sounds like planner

[0:43:25] Trustee McConchie: stockville might not be able to get that accomplished uh because she because of

[0:43:30] Trustee McConchie: workload issues so i don't know if we want to discuss

[0:43:33] Voice 3: that later let's have the end

[0:43:34] Voice 3: we

[0:43:35] Trustee McConchie: have zoom meetings we have live stream like we've made so much effort

[0:43:41] Trustee McConchie: to try and communicate with the community uh but there always are areas of improvement so

[0:43:46] Trustee McConchie: So I hear you. I appreciate you bringing that up.

[0:43:51] Trustee McConchie: Okay, who's

[0:43:52] Trustee McConchie: next? Michael, just come on up.

[0:43:53] Trustee McConchie: Oh, well, Leslie. Leslie, I don't have a hand up.

[0:43:55] Trustee McConchie: Oh, sorry. You're right.

[0:43:56] Voice 3: I just had a quick question in relation to George and Mary Beth.

[0:44:00] Voice 3: You can

[0:44:01] Voice 3: focus just to their comments.

[0:44:04] Voice 3: I totally agree with what they're saying,

[0:44:06] Voice 3: making it clear about what's happening here with bylaws.

[0:44:09] Voice 3: We're a relatively new defender,

[0:44:11] Voice 3: and we are one of the C2 commercial zone properties.

[0:44:14] Voice 3: my first question is when is the election october 15th

[0:44:20] Voice 3: october nomination

[0:44:21] Trustee McConchie: period starts on august

[0:44:22] Trustee McConchie: 30th

[0:44:23] Voice 3: okay my second question is our particular issue of reducing our density it's been going

[0:44:29] Voice 3: on for three and a half years i believe a year and a half for us ever since we purchased our

[0:44:34] Voice 3: property without knowledge of this review process and it's been a tough year and a half for us

[0:44:40] Voice 3: staying with the process, understanding that,

[0:44:43] Voice 3: collaborating and working with you guys.

[0:44:45] Voice 3: We finally have sort of reached, we're getting close.

[0:44:49] Voice 3: I wanted your sort of interpretation of,

[0:44:52] Voice 3: if we wait till after the election,

[0:44:56] Voice 3: what will that do to timing?

[0:44:58] Voice 3: Because we are trying to run an ongoing business.

[0:45:00] Voice 3: We're trying to plan for it and invest in it

[0:45:02] Voice 3: and make improvements to make it better.

[0:45:05] Voice 3: If we wait till after the election

[0:45:07] Voice 3: to go through the public hearing

[0:45:09] Voice 3: and second third and fourth reading what will that do to timing if new trustees come in will

[0:45:15] Voice 3: we be going all through that again all through the process again the

[0:45:20] Trustee McConchie: simple answer is it depends

[0:45:21] Trustee McConchie: who gets elected it is you could you could have some folks that get elected and run and then the

[0:45:27] Trustee McConchie: majority of people vote for them and then they suggest no i don't you know they could say i want

[0:45:32] Trustee McConchie: disneyland there instead or something i don't know what if you get what i'm saying like it's it's it's

[0:45:37] Trustee McConchie: up to it's up to the islanders that's why it's great we're having a consequential election coming

[0:45:43] Trustee McConchie: up i feel it people are engaged getting more engaged and i think uh we're talking amongst

[0:45:49] Trustee McConchie: community members about who is who are strong candidates for for election is an important one

[0:45:55] Trustee McConchie: to have yeah you're affected by democracy

[0:45:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah and so maybe i'll add to that like as soon as you span

[0:46:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): an election there's uncertainty right as soon as you span a because that's just the nature of it

[0:46:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): right like no you don't know

[0:46:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): anything about that so so there's always a risk when we stand in

[0:46:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): election and i know you were

[0:46:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): trying to make it

[0:46:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): happen before the election

[0:46:16] Voice 3: because you have words

[0:46:17] Voice 3: right and we've given it such due diligence yeah so so

[0:46:21] Trustee McConchie: sorry i need to talk to you just

[0:46:23] Voice 3: so

[0:46:23] Trustee McConchie: so um

[0:46:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): so really thinking about like there are multiple tensions here right like we want

[0:46:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to do the best that we can with what we have it is a living document you can continue to change

[0:46:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): it but it's been a lot of work up till now to go through this so the question is is there pieces of

[0:46:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): it that we like do want to move forward with and we're confident with or are there um you know just

[0:46:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): too many things that we're just not sure and we want it all to maintain together and like move

[0:46:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): together and if that's the case we we start to get into a situation where we need to have

[0:47:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): of advance notice issues, right?

[0:47:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): Like we're legally required to give advance notice

[0:47:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): for public hearings, for instance.

[0:47:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): So those things are out of our control to some degree.

[0:47:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): Like we have, I don't know what it is,

[0:47:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): four weeks or something

[0:47:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): that you have to give a public notice.

[0:47:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): It has to be in a newspaper, it has to be whatever,

[0:47:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): public notice of a public hearing.

[0:47:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): And so that kind of puts us in a situation

[0:47:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): where we have to do things by a certain date.

[0:47:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): this process that we're going through right now of course depending on if there's a strike or not

[0:47:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): we potentially could have another meeting like of if we come to an agreement today that we want some

[0:47:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): changes but we want to see the black line we want to see the like other things if we can get that

[0:47:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): done be in the timeline so that we still can have the public notice that seems very questionable

[0:47:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): from what kim has said so it pushes us past the september meeting as far as i know there is

[0:47:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): nothing saying we couldn't reschedule that september meeting it's not simple to reschedule

[0:48:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): a meeting in the trust but it's it's potentially something that could happen kim can you correct me

[0:48:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): on anything that i just spewed

[0:48:10] Trustee McConchie: good question no no

[0:48:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're correct okay

[0:48:14] Trustee McConchie: if i can just really uh

[0:48:17] Trustee McConchie: briefly add we this local trust committee could have passed this

[0:48:21] Voice 19: much

[0:48:23] Trustee McConchie: earlier we could have we

[0:48:25] Trustee McConchie: heard from the community that they were feeling pushed that we were trying to push things through

[0:48:29] Trustee McConchie: we scheduled innumerable community information meetings i mean i lost track 15 or whatever

[0:48:35] Trustee McConchie: so we've slowed down we heard you we heard your opinions so um and i'm i'm actually really happy

[0:48:42] Trustee McConchie: with where we are in the process yeah so so but

[0:48:45] Trustee McConchie: it is it is an unknown yes you don't know who's

[0:48:48] Trustee McConchie: going to get elected but i i trust islanders to make the right decision on who gets elected

[0:48:54] Voice 3: we're going to consider a series of motions that we have asked for from last week and anything else

[0:49:01] Voice 3: at the end of this afternoon we're going to have a conversation of sort of how comfortable they

[0:49:07] Voice 3: feel and what's going forward so stay tuned on that conversation all right uh

[0:49:18] Michael Sketch.

[0:49:24] Voice 4: Michael Sketch, North Pender. Trustee McConkie asked that a land use by-law

[0:49:31] Voice 4: review two years ago be added to the projects for North Pender. Staff interpreted that as

[0:49:38] Voice 4: by-law changes consistent with the official community plan. The whole process has moved

[0:49:44] Voice 4: to really substantive policy changes there are a bunch of issues um that deserve an ocp review and

[0:49:54] Voice 4: revision and policy before they go to to the land use bottle review and i think really that's what

[0:50:00] Voice 4: we're all caught in uh the c2 density which i have a strong point of view on and you have a different

[0:50:06] Voice 4: point of view um but it needs a policy discussion where does groundwater fit in how important is it

[0:50:14] Voice 4: is that a precursor to anything else and we have no policy so i'm asking that you strip out

[0:50:22] Voice 4: anything that is blatantly a policy change and leave that for an ocp review but we are with an

[0:50:31] Voice 4: an omnibus bylaw with a tremendous amount of stuff.

[0:50:35] Voice 4: And we, together, will not have time to speak

[0:50:38] Voice 4: before you have to go home.

[0:50:40] Voice 4: And we risk that that bylaw runs through

[0:50:44] Voice 4: and then the consequence.

[0:50:47] Voice 4: So, right, here's a question.

[0:50:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, I think the one thing

[0:50:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): I would speak to that.

[0:50:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): So the current bylaw, I always think about it

[0:50:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): in terms of what is in the current bylaw

[0:51:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): and what does the current bylaw allow so the current bylaw allows buildings that are really

[0:51:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): high in neighborhoods that don't want them or want to actually have conversations the current bylaw

[0:51:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): allows for some 10,000 square foot house to be built on a land that could then be later

[0:51:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): subdivided down to 10 acres and would be have this giant mansion on it the current bylaw allows for

[0:51:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): 54 some units up on mckinnon road right the current bylaw allows for um one of the other

[0:51:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): ones that are challenging it allows for um docks to be created without a community consultation

[0:51:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): process being forced on the island it um so that's the situation that we're in and if we

[0:51:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): we delay without doing anything, all of those things that I just said can continue to happen

[0:52:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): on our island.

[0:52:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): And all of those pressures are actually not hypothetical pressures.

[0:52:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): Those are existing pressures on this island.

[0:52:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): And so for me, there's this tension of trying to get something into place that's better

[0:52:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): than our existing bylaws, but it's never going to be perfect, honestly.

[0:52:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): honestly like we're the most eclectic crazy community and it's kind of wonderful but it

[0:52:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): does mean that we're never going to really agree on everything right so there's always going to be

[0:52:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): refinements and pieces i get that but we always have to kind of take steps forward so i i have a

[0:52:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i don't have an answer to this but i have a massive tension with pushing things off to get

[0:52:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): the perfect versus getting the perfect as it is right now enough that we can take the next step

[0:52:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the next term. So that's my intention. And yet I hear what George is saying and I understand we

[0:52:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): need to be clear in how we're communicating what those changes are. So we'll try and figure that

[0:52:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): out. So

[0:52:57] Voice 3: Joyce there. Yes. Again, I just want to make it clear. We have identified specific issues

[0:53:05] Voice 3: in the RR2 that we have forward proposals to deal with in the new bylaw. If that doesn't go through

[0:53:15] Voice 3: then we want revisions to the existing bylaws to deal with the exact same thing.

[0:53:22] Voice 3: So we don't want this put aside and then the issues that we've identified not be dealt with.

[0:53:30] Voice 3: So that's our concern.

[0:53:32] Voice 3: And I think that what you'll find is a lot of the people who have been talking to you

[0:53:36] Voice 3: have been speaking to the new bylaw to deal with existing problems.

[0:53:41] Voice 3: problems and if the new bylaw doesn't go through those existing problems remain and have to be

[0:53:48] Voice 3: dealt with we can't just walk away from the new bylaw and leave the old one the way it is it has

[0:53:55] Voice 3: to be changed so that's my concern thank you uh

[0:54:00] Trustee McConchie: you know just to add I would be really surprised

[0:54:03] Trustee McConchie: of any buddy got elected and disagreed with you well

[0:54:11] Voice 3: we don't want to wait six months

[0:54:14] Voice 3: if you shelve this bylaw we want changes made before the election to deal with the problems

[0:54:24] Voice 3: tend

[0:54:25] Trustee McConchie: to shelve the bylaw well no

[0:54:27] Voice 3: i'm just giving

[0:54:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): like the pros and cons of what the conversation

[0:54:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): But I'm just saying that's part

[0:54:33] Voice 3: of what's been requested, and I'm just making the point that the problems that people have identified that they're addressing in this review are not problems that can wait for an election.

[0:54:49] Voice 3: Come on, or just if you can just kind

[0:54:53] Voice 19: of come up to the chair.

[0:54:56] Voice 19: Well,

[0:54:57] Voice 3: I don't want to, yeah, I don't want debate, so come on up here and speak to us.

[0:55:02] Voice 19: I just

[0:55:02] Voice 3: wanted to offer a suggestion.

[0:55:04] Voice 3: Oh, to speak to us?

[0:55:05] Voice 3: I wanted to offer a suggestion that if I thought, and perhaps Leonard Stockfield might comment on

[0:55:11] Voice 3: this, but is there not a mechanism? It sounds like there's a loophole in the definition of

[0:55:17] Voice 3: culture. There's sort of a problem. Could there not be a fold or a flag of some sort? Because

[0:55:29] Voice 3: amending a bylaw takes quite a bit of time. But I wonder if there could be a flag, like a

[0:55:36] Voice 3: moratorium? It wouldn't be as formal as that. I just thought there might be a mechanism to flag

[0:55:41] Voice 3: one particular clause

[0:55:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): or whatever it is. I'm not sure what the details are. Yeah, I actually think

[0:55:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): i can probably answer that one too but again compare me if i go wildly astray so i know that

[0:55:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): um for instance on south pender when they were contemplating the short-term vacation rentals

[0:55:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): they put a moratorium on the um any new short-term vacation rentals being created

[0:56:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): so that they could have a community conversation without a bunch of people trying to get in to get

[0:56:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): grandfathered right so this could be a similar kind of thing where you say we're considering

[0:56:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): this particular amendment so we're going to actually put a whole nobody can do this particular

[0:56:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): thing or put applications in on this thing while we're contemplating it because what you don't want

[0:56:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): is like you don't want to trigger a whole bunch of people to go do the thing because they're afraid

[0:56:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): that the outcome of whatever the community's decision is is going to inhibit them to do the

[0:56:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): thing right so because who knows what the outcome really is going to be right so um yeah so that and

[0:56:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): i don't know if that was legally enforceable or if you have a comment on that well what they did

[0:56:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): was they

[0:56:40] Voice 3: actually put a bylaw and you would like strip horticulture as a permitted use

[0:56:45] Voice 3: so that's what they did on they stripped short-term vacation rental as a permitted use

[0:56:50] Voice 3: past that bylaw so now it wasn't permitted okay so that's how that's the way they achieved the

[0:56:56] Voice 3: moratorium so you see so you make

[0:56:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): an extreme bylaw right

[0:57:00] Voice 3: like you make

[0:57:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): the absolute dead

[0:57:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): stuff bylaw but it's a single line bylaw basically and you put that through yeah that's that seems

[0:57:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): reasonable sorry kim did you have anything else to add on that okay

[0:57:10] Voice 3: all

[0:57:12] Voice 13: right who's next

[0:57:16] Voice 13: i've brought forward to the uh trustees um a request for a motion dealing with lighting

[0:57:24] Voice 13: and that um in biological um we include a provision in the two rr zones rr1 and rr2

[0:57:34] Voice 13: that will prohibit exterior lighting from directing into adjacent other people's homes

[0:57:42] Voice 13: at the moment it's our understanding we don't have any specific recourse for that but there

[0:57:48] Voice 13: are instances where exterior artificial lighting security lighting safety lighting is put up in a

[0:57:56] Voice 13: way that doesn't just achieve its intended purpose but projects um a fair distance in some cases so

[0:58:05] Voice 13: there's a motion before you and i have put in some notes that we propose that be part of 5.1

[0:58:12] Voice 13: in 224 for um both rr1 and rr2 um as a an addition do i do i need to read the language

[0:58:22] Voice 13: show no no i got it the

[0:58:24] Trustee McConchie: other question i have uh uh what is defined as bright okay i mean you know

[0:58:31] Trustee McConchie: like i hear what you're saying here i just wanted to say right no

[0:58:35] Trustee McConchie: no no i'm asking why i'm asking a

[0:58:36] Trustee McConchie: clarification so you want to create a bylaw that basically prevents some getting some person from

[0:58:41] Trustee McConchie: shining a big light in your house because in that certain in that particular circumstance you can't

[0:58:46] Trustee McConchie: reason with the neighbor to turn their lights off so then therefore the government bylaw officer

[0:58:50] Trustee McConchie: comes in and then determines that the light is like how do they determine that the light is bright

[0:58:57] Trustee McConchie: and how do they determine this you understand what i'm getting direction

[0:59:01] Voice 13: the direction of the light

[0:59:03] Voice 13: so

[0:59:03] Trustee McConchie: you can have

[0:59:04] Voice 13: security lighting directional lighting path lighting it goes down when lights

[0:59:09] Voice 13: are up on a on a wall and are projecting that way it it impacts the whole neighborhood it impacts

[0:59:17] Voice 13: That's wildlife. It impacts everything. But that lighting can be down and not.

[0:59:23] Voice 13: And it's a provision already in place for home industries.

[0:59:26] Voice 13: The same provision is there for a home industry.

[0:59:29] Voice 13: You can't have any external lighting that projects onto neighboring properties.

[0:59:33] Voice 13: And in our case, we're not even a neighboring property.

[0:59:36] Voice 13: We're across a bay of water and this light shining into our bedroom and to our neighbor next door.

[0:59:43] Voice 13: Right. So

[0:59:44] Voice 13: we have an example we're going on, but we're not the only.

[0:59:47] Voice 13: example people complain about this all the time so yes the normal thing to do is to go knock on

[0:59:53] Voice 13: the door and say hi

[0:59:54] Voice 11: ben i just want

[0:59:56] Voice 13: to point out you probably don't know this but you know uh that

[1:00:00] Voice 13: shines in my face until 1 a.m every night and of course once it becomes like savings time change

[1:00:07] Voice 13: and by november all the leaves are off the trees it's dark at four o'clock and then the light's on

[1:00:13] Voice 13: so that that's the instance that's the practical uh reality we are speaking for the potential rr2

[1:00:20] Voice 13: zone but felt it was probably an issue for residents of pender all over the place and as

[1:00:26] Voice 13: say we we've mirrored it from what other municipalities do as well as what's provided

[1:00:31] Voice 13: for in the home industry section of our current bylaw but

[1:00:34] Trustee McConchie: you said a couple clarification questions

[1:00:35] Trustee McConchie: thanks karen for planning stock though so we actually karen you got this from a municipality

[1:00:39] Trustee McConchie: vancouver

[1:00:40] Voice 19: vancouver

[1:00:41] Trustee McConchie: city um plan starts with designs just have jurisdictional like business

[1:00:46] Trustee McConchie: bylaw within our jurisdiction yeah

[1:00:48] Voice 12: that's a really good question and um i'm not sure what the

[1:00:52] Voice 12: jurisdiction is for residential lighting so that's something i would have to look into but

[1:00:56] Voice 12: the ltc also has to consider is that something that the ltc wants to enforce residential lighting

[1:01:05] Voice 12: if it if it can

[1:01:06] Voice 3: it's i'm not i've been having discussions today about making changes if we may

[1:01:12] Voice 3: consider what we're going to discuss later uh another option is this could be this is an

[1:01:18] Voice 3: important issue we could make it a project do the research and still you know make the changes that

[1:01:23] Voice 3: in another time so it doesn't mean we have to try to rush it in we could do

[1:01:27] Voice 13: it right um

[1:01:28] Voice 3: we already

[1:01:30] Voice 13: provide for it in bylaw 103 for home industry saying there's no external artificial

[1:01:34] Voice 13: light that can project project in um in home businesses that we're jacked on property so

[1:01:40] Voice 13: it's just it's a building with lights whether it's a residence or whether you're having a

[1:01:44] Voice 13: you know still rural residential zoning it's not commercial zoning that yeah

[1:01:53] Trustee McConchie: have to reflect on it what an unusual circumstance to have to then create a bylaw well for a neighbor

[1:01:59] Trustee McConchie: just to be like no forget you i'm shining my light in your house it's a yeah it's weird that

[1:02:04] Trustee McConchie: the government has to involve itself yeah

[1:02:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): and it's

[1:02:08] Trustee McConchie: disappointing yeah i hear you it's just it's a

[1:02:10] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[1:02:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i would i would add that weird like

[1:02:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): i've been thinking about this a lot because

[1:02:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): you know some might find it surprising but i'm not actually a fan of a ton of rules

[1:02:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): schools. But I also know that we've had a lot of shifts, like we've seen a lot of shifts on this

[1:02:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): island over the last few years, and more so in the last two years. And we're getting people here

[1:02:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): that will, you know, hopefully eventually become like more embedded in the community in different

[1:02:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): ways, but that are coming with particular experiences and understandings of what buildings

[1:02:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): should look like and what, and so we're getting this. My own neighbors did that when they moved

[1:02:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): in here um and put up a light on the garage that was facing right into my house and so you know

[1:02:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): they were reasonable i went over on my food that is killing me every day and you're gonna see me

[1:03:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): naked walking down the stairs so like so

[1:03:02] Voice 2: just try it you

[1:03:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): know just i just need to like ideally

[1:03:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): we have the conversation with neighbors but the reality is that it's not gonna always work

[1:03:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): and so that's why we end up with rules so i don't know we'll we'll consider this

[1:03:18] Voice 13: to your point why does the government have to interfere with all this stuff we have preserve

[1:03:24] Voice 13: and protect in the southern gulf islands or another gulf island you know why did we have

[1:03:28] Voice 13: to do that this is a special place why do we have any rules why can't we all get along and

[1:03:32] Voice 13: do the right thing and build the right buildings and conserve water and not cut down trees well

[1:03:37] Voice 13: the government said that we better control so this is it's just an element so i understand

[1:03:42] Trustee McConchie: understand the logic i was just reflecting on isn't that too bad um also i mean i wish we could

[1:03:49] Trustee McConchie: create a bylaw for more block parties because that would solve a lot of problems

[1:03:59] Voice 3: anyone else that has

[1:04:05] Voice 18: with the changes in the zoning on the commercial and the industrial will there be a requirement

[1:04:14] Voice 18: for any professional reports like hydrology rockfall hazards um anything or does it it just

[1:04:25] Voice 18: done kim

[1:04:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): can you answer that i

[1:04:27] Voice 18: understand yeah

[1:04:28] Voice 12: if you if you comply with zoning then that wouldn't

[1:04:32] Voice 12: require any type of further reports the only way that it would trigger a report is a development

[1:04:39] Voice 12: permit depending on the guidelines there could be some reports required there but most likely

[1:04:44] Voice 12: it would be the through your building permit application and requirements from the crd but

[1:04:51] Voice 12: But if you comply with the zoning, no further reports are required.

[1:04:54] Voice 12: But if you are located in a DPA, potentially there are some reports required.

[1:05:00] Voice 12: Or if you're going through the process of actually rezoning, then yes, most likely the LTC would require those reports.

[1:05:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so if you're in a DPA that's a wetland or riparian area, then you would be required to do a DP application?

[1:05:17] Voice 12: Yeah, well, it would be based on the recommendations on the sensitive ecosystem.

[1:05:21] Voice 12: system yeah yeah

[1:05:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay okay um and

[1:05:26] Voice 12: does it have

[1:05:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): to like does the property have to have the dpa on it

[1:05:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): or is it just where you're doing the development it would trigger where you're

[1:05:33] Voice 12: doing the development

[1:05:34] Voice 12: yeah okay

[1:05:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): so like from a waste management perspective if we put waste management on a

[1:05:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): property then and they went to develop on a spot that's not within a dpa or you know in the dpa

[1:05:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): management zone, then they would not need to ask for any kind of environmental impact on that.

[1:05:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): That seems like not so ecosystem-based idea.

[1:05:57] Voice 12: Well, that's one thing the LTC needs to keep

[1:05:59] Voice 12: in mind is the only DPA currently in the OCP for industrial commercial is in relation to design

[1:06:07] Voice 12: guidelines. It's not to deal with environmental issues. So really that would be done through the

[1:06:15] Voice 12: rezoning process where the LTC could put conditions on the adoption of a bylaw that

[1:06:22] Voice 12: conditions would state that the applicant or at the very beginning of the process the applicant

[1:06:27] Voice 12: would have to provide these specific reports that the LTC wanted so

[1:06:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): so we could put okay but that's

[1:06:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): only if there is a rezoning if we do this rezoning right now as part of the bylaw can we put in there

[1:06:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): in like add a clause into those things that additional or any required environmental reports

[1:06:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): will be needed no you don't okay yeah so this is one of the reasons why we've generally and why we

[1:06:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): the other day wanted the other new lands that were industrial to be pulled out of this um i do want

[1:07:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): to make a correction to planet testimony respectfully there is actually a requirement

[1:07:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the local government act that we do have waste management uh zoned in the island and so

[1:07:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): um it's section 14 of the local government act that applies to the island's trust we

[1:07:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): are required to have a waste management zone so that we just have to decide how we want to

[1:07:26] Voice 1: handle that

[1:07:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): um but so that would be the only issue for me um so yeah point well taken though

[1:07:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): in okay

[1:07:34] Voice 19: um

[1:07:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i maybe the the i think i might need to just stress it i know you're being kind

[1:07:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): about your statement around that but um you know in the waste management situation here on pender

[1:07:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): the deaths have had to do three uh environmental assessment reports on different properties i want

[1:07:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): to say um yeah and because of moving to different properties because there has been no zoned

[1:07:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): property for waste management and potentially if we zone two properties they have one right now

[1:08:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): that they're using the other one would also get it without ever having to affect the environmental

[1:08:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): assessment property so that's

[1:08:13] Voice 17: that's the question i think okay all

[1:08:15] Voice 3: right thank you anyone else that

[1:08:17] Voice 3: wants to question her comments. Dale? Is it Dale Henning?

[1:08:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): No. Dale, please be appropriate and respectful to the chair. I know we know how to do it.

[1:08:38] Voice 5: I'm referring to the document here. It's called Part 3 General Regulations from

[1:08:44] Voice 5: from North Pender Island land use bylaw number 224202 and 229.

[1:08:49] Voice 5: I have two questions.

[1:08:53] Voice 5: Item number 3.2 prohibited in all zones,

[1:08:59] Voice 5: which is item 3.2.7 and 3.2.8.

[1:09:03] Voice 5: And because I'm all open up my glasses and read from them.

[1:09:08] Voice 5: Number 3.2.7 reads,

[1:09:10] Voice 5: shall be prohibited at all zones,

[1:09:12] Voice 5: airport and airstrip facilities and related essentially building structures and 3.2.8

[1:09:17] Voice 5: heliports and helifads other than for emergency evacuation use and the note that goes below and

[1:09:23] Voice 5: says all aeronautics uses are federally regulated under the aeronautics act so my question is

[1:09:29] Voice 5: our tax dollars are paying your salaries to and that of the deal

[1:09:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): pause for a second i need you

[1:09:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): to make it about the issue not about our salaries please make it

[1:09:44] Voice 5: who's on the line

[1:09:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's kim kim

[1:09:46] Voice 5: hi kim because what you're

[1:09:48] Voice 14: doing right now is you're making it

[1:09:50] Voice 14: about people and you're going to make it about the issue please i do want to hear your point

[1:09:53] Voice 14: make it about the issue

[1:09:54] Trustee McConchie: okay so i do make about two dollars an hour if i really do okay

[1:09:59] Trustee McConchie: Okay, so

[1:10:00] Voice 5: my question is, the Islands Trust has staff, okay, that are involved with, as

[1:10:12] Voice 5: Kim Stockdale had identified in a previous video conference call, they put in this bylaw

[1:10:21] Voice 5: 3.2.7 and 3.2.8 about airports and helipads, stating clearly in that that it could not

[1:10:29] Voice 5: be enforced. So why is the Islands Trust making a bylaw that cannot be enforced? That's my first

[1:10:39] Voice 5: question. And my second question is, why is the Islands Trust pushing to have these bylaws passed

[1:10:47] Voice 5: before the next civic election, which is October the 15th?

[1:10:52] Voice 14: Okay, pause on that. Nobody's pushing.

[1:10:54] Voice 14: we just we just

[1:10:55] Voice 14: talked about that today nobody's pushing for it so the second point

[1:11:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): i don't think

[1:11:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): we need to address because we talked about it multiple times today we're not in any way pushing

[1:11:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): for that we've just had that conversation and we'll continue that conversation during this

[1:11:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): well

[1:11:09] Voice 5: i disagree you're

[1:11:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): welcome to disagree so enforcement is

[1:11:14] Voice 14: there another question that you

[1:11:15] Voice 14: have these

[1:11:17] Trustee McConchie: are sales and dale's asking why are we creating a bylaw that we have no jurisdictional

[1:11:21] Trustee McConchie: authority holder and that's a good point dale okay

[1:11:24] Voice 14: so i have an answer

[1:11:26] Voice 14: to that question i can

[1:11:27] Voice 14: i can do an answer to that one good

[1:11:29] Voice 5: so thank you and kim

[1:11:31] Voice 5: was the one that originally brought that

[1:11:32] Voice 5: point up and was the one that originally said that it was unenforceable so why are you doing

[1:11:40] Voice 5: something you have no responsibility for no authority for are

[1:11:43] Voice 17: you ready no involvement

[1:11:44] Voice 5: and as a holder of both a canadian american private pilot's license for the last 30 years

[1:11:51] Voice 5: Yes, I do have a little bit of interest in some aviation.

[1:11:55] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:11:55] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:11:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right.

[1:11:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): So enforcement, and Kim, we do need to have this conversation.

[1:12:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): Somebody asked me about this on Thursday as well.

[1:12:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): So, a couple things to be clear about there.

[1:12:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): 3.2.7 and 3.2.8 do not resolve the use of private helicopters landing on land that is

[1:12:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): is no helipad or no airstrip or anything like that.

[1:12:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): Like you can fly a helicopter in here

[1:12:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): and land it wherever you like, actually,

[1:12:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): because, well, not wherever,

[1:12:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): but generally where in many places,

[1:12:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): because that is under the control

[1:12:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the Department of Transportation,

[1:12:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): a federal ministry, okay?

[1:12:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): And there is some provincial authority in there somewhere.

[1:12:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): So the Islands Trust does not have authority

[1:12:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): over the flying of helicopters

[1:12:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): and landing of helicopters, generally speaking.

[1:12:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): The Islands Trust has authority over the land use, right?

[1:12:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): So what goes on to any patch of land or foreshore area,

[1:12:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): we can say something about.

[1:12:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): And we don't actually always have the exclusive authority

[1:13:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): because sometimes it's in a sort of,

[1:13:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): there's pieces that we have

[1:13:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): and pieces that the CRD might have

[1:13:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): and pieces that the federal government or province has,

[1:13:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's a hot mess.

[1:13:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): So when when we talk about enforcement of an issue like helicopters flying into the trust.

[1:13:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): The question is who enforces so dot the Department of Transportation federally is generally the enforcement mechanism for that.

[1:13:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): They generally have a rule that is not always acceptable to everyone in the islands trust area.

[1:13:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): But that is something that advocacy efforts which we actually have asked for at the Trust Council,

[1:13:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): that the Trust Council consider having more conversations

[1:13:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): with the Department of Transportation

[1:13:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): around helicopter and overflight in the Gulf Islands

[1:13:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): if it's influencing the protection and preservation.

[1:13:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's appropriate advocacy for the Islands Trust to do.

[1:13:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): Somebody else would enforce.

[1:13:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): Helipads and airstrips are a land use, okay?

[1:14:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): They are actually touching the earth

[1:14:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): and we get to zone those, all right?

[1:14:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): the mechanisms of what constitutes a helipad or what constitutes an airport that's not our mandate

[1:14:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's the department of transport so you can see the complexity of how we overlap so if i build a

[1:14:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): helipad and call it a helipad it has to have a b c d i don't control that the department of

[1:14:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): transportation controls that but if i say you can build a helipad here that's our authority okay so

[1:14:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): So we are allowed to say where you can and where you can't put airstrips and helipads.

[1:14:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): We are not allowed to say what constitutes an airstrip or helipad, okay?

[1:14:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): And by doing this 3.2.7 and 3.2.8, we are not saying don't ever put a helipad anywhere.

[1:14:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): We're saying have a conversation with the community.

[1:14:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): Like, so basically it's the same issue we've been dealing with on all these other things.

[1:14:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): Like right now, and we are seeing it.

[1:14:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): like people think that these are just out of the blue but they're not out of the blue

[1:15:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): we are seeing situations where increasingly wealthy people and sometimes like i'm sad we

[1:15:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): lost the airstrip actually i'm really sad we lost the airstrip but like increasingly wealthy people

[1:15:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): are putting private um or considering putting private helipads on their properties that are

[1:15:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): actually helipads okay so as a community i think that's something we should talk about and i'm not

[1:15:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): saying we shouldn't have it ever but they should have to come and have an argument about when it's

[1:15:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): used or you know what what direction flight comes in from or those kinds of things so that's all

[1:15:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'm intending with this piece and i

[1:15:39] Voice 3: was going to add i mean due to the conflicting nature of

[1:15:44] Voice 3: what's federally regulated versus what's local there's a there's a potential that there could

[1:15:49] Voice 3: you know that would be resolved through lawsuits you know if somebody were to come and pour a

[1:15:53] Voice 3: of concrete out on the foreshore and make a helipad out, you know, when they're within the

[1:16:01] Voice 3: setbacks. And they argue that it's aeronautically allowed and, you know, closer conversations that

[1:16:09] Voice 3: would happen. We'd have to figure that out. And maybe

[1:16:12] Voice 3: one last point,

[1:16:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): because I can anticipate

[1:16:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): another question that you might have, Dale. Maybe one last point on this is that if somebody did

[1:16:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): that right so there's an argument to say well you have to apply for a permit to get a helipad or

[1:16:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): through the department of transportation true you do because it has to constitute something it has

[1:16:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): to be something right so but the problem is is that we've had this in the same argument i had

[1:16:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): with our conversation i had with somebody else about dogs other people have the obligation to

[1:16:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): say what the structure of those things are. What we want is to ensure that the province or the feds

[1:16:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): force a conversation in our community about it because we

[1:16:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): have seen docs go in where there was

[1:16:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): supposed to be a community consultation process and it did not happen and so by putting these

[1:17:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): types of clauses in it triggers the requirement for a community consultation okay. We still would

[1:17:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): only just say yay or nay to the one i'm going in there but at least we would be in the conversation

[1:17:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): and so that's the intent that's my intent my intent is not to micromanage all the details

[1:17:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): eot can manage like what is the appropriate helipad but that's my intent um i

[1:17:27] Trustee McConchie: there's lots to talk about i mean can i if i could just address something because i read the 2006

[1:17:33] Trustee McConchie: 2006 Supreme Court case where the justices in the federal government they debated this already

[1:17:39] Trustee McConchie: they said who should control where airplanes fly where helicopters fly and the justices the

[1:17:44] Trustee McConchie: majority opinion stated really clearly that hey man we can't have local governments getting in

[1:17:49] Trustee McConchie: the way if they have minor complaints about airplanes landing because the priority is

[1:17:54] Trustee McConchie: transportation of goods and services and people is the top priority therefore federal government

[1:17:59] Trustee McConchie: should have jurisdictional authority over this.

[1:18:01] Trustee McConchie: What I'm wondering, Dale, to address your question is,

[1:18:06] Trustee McConchie: what's going to happen in the future with technology?

[1:18:09] Trustee McConchie: And should regional governments have a say in the future or not?

[1:18:16] Trustee McConchie: Now, and one of the justices in that Supreme Court case,

[1:18:20] Trustee McConchie: I recommend you read it, did argue that.

[1:18:23] Trustee McConchie: He said, there are unintended things we can't predict

[1:18:26] Trustee McConchie: are about to happen in the future

[1:18:27] Trustee McConchie: that may have repercussions if the federal government only has authority.

[1:18:31] Trustee McConchie: So Deb's point, or Trustee Morrison's point, and my point is,

[1:18:35] Trustee McConchie: you know, shouldn't the regions have some say over how aeronautics are,

[1:18:40] Trustee McConchie: shouldn't they have a voice at the table, right?

[1:18:42] Trustee McConchie: And that would be then sent as a private member's bill by Elizabeth May

[1:18:46] Trustee McConchie: in the House of Commons, potentially changing.

[1:18:49] Trustee McConchie: You're right, we don't have jurisdictional authority.

[1:18:52] Trustee McConchie: That's your point, and I hear you on that.

[1:18:54] Trustee McConchie: Something we can probably debate.

[1:18:57] Trustee McConchie: problem is this issue has turned into like the times colonists wrote a newspaper about neighbors

[1:19:02] Trustee McConchie: fighting neighbors or helicopters and i don't care about that stuff like i care but i care about how

[1:19:08] Trustee McConchie: we're planning aeronautics and islands that's the debate that i think is rather than because i just

[1:19:14] Trustee McConchie: read it on facebook it's like helicopters for you know it's gotten out of hand so i'm hoping we're

[1:19:20] Trustee McConchie: clarifying something i don't know if we're going to necessarily agree it's a good point i'd like

[1:19:24] Trustee McConchie: like to talk to you more about it, Dale. Okay? Yeah. Are there

[1:19:29] Voice 3: any first time speakers that are lurking, waiting to speak? Just

[1:19:33] Voice 3: because I want to make sure that we may stop

[1:19:35] Voice 3: this to have our

[1:19:36] Voice 3: conversation. But otherwise, I see. All

[1:19:43] Voice 13: right, so that's Karen

[1:19:45] Voice 13: Bell. Yeah, I just on that point. And I had an analogy.

[1:19:49] Voice 13: But my question to you, Debra, it was whether the Ireland's

[1:19:53] Voice 13: trust has gone to dot and said when you're making these decisions will you consult with us because

[1:19:59] Voice 13: my example is the subdivision process is managed by transportation and highways and in that process

[1:20:08] Voice 13: violence trust and violent health and many other local governments have a say you know you make

[1:20:17] Voice 13: make your application they say okay we're going to send it to these 10 lower governments or

[1:20:23] Voice 13: agencies and then you get to set all kinds of conditions some interesting conditions and it

[1:20:28] Voice 13: would seem to me that in this case with aviation whatever where the docs that's the mechanism is

[1:20:36] Voice 13: to be lobbying to those other governmental agencies hey because it's our community we

[1:20:41] Voice 13: we deserve to say so I was wondering if we made those efforts and suggest that it's it's

[1:20:48] Trustee McConchie: interesting you bring this up Karen because we have a department of advocacy that gets

[1:20:52] Trustee McConchie: you know slammed for being useless at the island's trust they are they are they do do

[1:20:57] Trustee McConchie: things like get us at the table when they're discussing freighters which is department

[1:21:01] Trustee McConchie: of transportation we did get brought to the table when they discussed the whale sanctuary

[1:21:05] Trustee McConchie: zone which is a department of transportation initiative so in this particular circumstance

[1:21:10] Trustee McConchie: the advocacy of the honors trust is would be useful in your opinion so that's interesting

[1:21:14] Trustee McConchie: comment and

[1:21:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): it would be useful we have actually around helicopters that were here had conversations

[1:21:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): with um various federal bureaucrats and agent agencies um and it's interesting because it

[1:21:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): often comes down to like a bit of like this conversation over well like this is a little

[1:21:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): bit like this is our jurisdiction or this is your jurisdiction and there's but there's these

[1:21:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): these fine gray spaces, right?

[1:21:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): And so from my perspective,

[1:21:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): I am uninterested in getting into

[1:21:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): any kind of competitive stance.

[1:21:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): I totally work with these types of cooperative stances.

[1:21:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): I know we have, what do they call it,

[1:21:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): MOUs with a number of different organization

[1:21:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): or agencies at different levels for referrals and stuff.

[1:21:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): And that generally is the process that happens.

[1:21:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): A doc application goes in,

[1:22:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): it gets referred out to the trust or whatever.

[1:22:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): whatever. But whether those things are coming into community, that's a different question

[1:22:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): altogether. We see that a lot with telecommunications, like the rules are quite

[1:22:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): strict around telecommunications and we have big community conversations every time they want to

[1:22:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): put like a meter on the Lively Peak Tower. But I have not seen that happen with docks and with

[1:22:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): anything aviation related. Kim, do you know different or any additional information?

[1:22:33] Voice 12: um yeah we from my understanding we don't have a um a mou at all and um with the telecommunications

[1:22:43] Voice 12: um it's actually built into their consultation program to actually consult or notify local

[1:22:49] Voice 12: government and then local government can then consult with uh community members so it's

[1:22:55] Voice 12: actually in their process unfortunately with uh heliports helicopters and so forth i don't believe

[1:23:01] Voice 12: that's built in so

[1:23:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): so from my perspective that's an advocacy move that we absolutely want that's

[1:23:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): our jurisdiction to make that move but there's also there are some points that we have to press

[1:23:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): on to get that voice at the table because right now we're just getting rushed off as local

[1:23:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): government doesn't have any say so um and there is some grayness about who actually does have

[1:23:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): have authority. So not to say that you're wrong completely, Dale, right? There is a gray area in

[1:23:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): this space. And we've got to get a little bit of like, how would I frame it? Like, I can't be the

[1:23:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): little mouse coming to the lion and saying, hey, can we please talk about these helicopters and

[1:23:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): airplanes, I have to actually have a little bit more like behind me to do that. And so it kind

[1:23:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): of forces the conversation a little bit more this way because we're trying to exert more of our

[1:23:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): authority which we do have land use planning authority and so but we've also been pushed back

[1:24:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): on saying well but do you really and nobody's tried to deal with that before right so yeah so

[1:24:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): there's a lot of questions and

[1:24:12] Trustee McConchie: just as a side point one thing that really needs to be resolved

[1:24:15] Trustee McConchie: particularly on the crd level is ensuring that our emergency evacuation helicopter is uh is owned by

[1:24:22] Trustee McConchie: the community and not subject to uh private landowners uh it's a concern of emergency

[1:24:26] Trustee McConchie: services to show that up so there are some aeronautic issues that we have to hear

[1:24:32] Trustee McConchie: all levels of government have to address yeah for sure all right um

[1:24:43] Voice 5: actually i have a an answer to ben's question and that was how do you better communicate

[1:24:53] Voice 5: I would suggest a newsletter every two weeks, mail to every property owner of record, every two weeks.

[1:25:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): There goes our entire trust budget. Would

[1:25:08] Trustee McConchie: you okay so Joe you'd be comfortable spending tax dollars, every two weeks for mail.

[1:25:14] Voice 5: Well, I mean, at

[1:25:16] Trustee McConchie: this point, not

[1:25:17] Voice 5: everybody has access to the internet, we don't have a newspaper,

[1:25:27] Voice 5: we have no radio station, no TV station that does news, and in a small community that I grew up in

[1:25:36] Voice 5: Ontario, the best way to communicate with everybody was to have a newsletter and mail it out to

[1:25:42] Voice 5: everybody every two weeks of what went on great information you don't have to have facebook and

[1:25:48] Voice 5: all the other media or social media stuff i have a facebook account i opened four years

[1:25:54] Voice 5: ago i think

[1:25:55] Voice 5: i've

[1:25:55] Trustee McConchie: used it twice yeah fair enough it's always a challenge to communicate with constituents and

[1:25:59] Trustee McConchie: that's a that's a good point uh but we haven't always taken into consideration thank you all

[1:26:03] Voice 3: all right michael michael michael sketch

[1:26:08] Voice 3: on that

[1:26:16] Voice 4: immediate conversation i'd like to address three other issues um the um we must look ahead

[1:26:24] Voice 4: uh really to now uh and envisage a situation in which a landowner will wish to establish an

[1:26:31] Voice 4: inter-island drone goods transport service and that's not a joke they're delivering bombs at

[1:26:38] Voice 4: the moment in the ukraine and uh pender courier goes back and forth with a bunch of small parcels

[1:26:44] Voice 4: and it's it will be a very short time before there's a somebody will want to start an inter

[1:26:49] Voice 4: island goods transportation service with vertical takeoff drones and so the islands trust should

[1:26:56] Voice 4: look ahead in their planning to make provision for that and think it out that's a policy discussion

[1:27:03] Voice 4: discussion and should not be tacked in the back of a land use model review but it's a really

[1:27:07] Voice 4: important point and may I go on to other topics quickly

[1:27:13] Voice 3: yep yeah

[1:27:15] Voice 4: just we're we're also like to

[1:27:16] Voice 4: get to the our decisions as well okay uh this omnibus file has got some really important stuff

[1:27:25] Voice 4: in it and uh the public's got to have a chance to say something because sometimes when a member of

[1:27:31] Voice 4: the public the other public would like to hear it yeah yeah yeah no i i just the will of the

[1:27:36] Trustee McConchie: chair is making a suggestion how

[1:27:38] Voice 4: much time we have in a day is the question

[1:27:40] Voice 4: yes public too um

[1:27:46] Voice 3: yes please do but

[1:27:48] Voice 4: i'm trying to be as careful as quick as i can um i'd like to speak to three

[1:27:53] Voice 4: three issues. One, screening, two, shipping containers, and three, use of unbuilt lots,

[1:28:01] Voice 4: residentially zoned lots. And as to screening, the present bylaw requires not a fence, but

[1:28:09] Voice 4: a vegetative screening. There are situations in which there is shade on my own property,

[1:28:16] Voice 4: for instance, and the trees simply aren't growing, and they're not going to grow in the

[1:28:20] Voice 4: in the next 10 years either.

[1:28:21] Voice 4: So there's a bio-enforcement issue

[1:28:23] Voice 4: when a shipping container is to be screened

[1:28:26] Voice 4: with a vegetative screen.

[1:28:28] Voice 4: And I'd like to suggest, and I've seen it done elsewhere,

[1:28:31] Voice 4: and I've got it on my own property,

[1:28:33] Voice 4: that a mix of vegetation and a fence,

[1:28:36] Voice 4: nobody wants to look at a fence, or most fences,

[1:28:38] Voice 4: but if you have trees breaking up the eye vision,

[1:28:42] Voice 4: and, but say, space six feet apart, whatever it is,

[1:28:47] Voice 4: and maybe a mix of deciduous and coniferous screening

[1:28:52] Voice 4: makes the whole thing much more palatable.

[1:28:56] Voice 4: So that's screening.

[1:28:57] Voice 4: Second on screening, we're talking about on the lot line only,

[1:29:02] Voice 4: but in my own case, screening is required for the ends.

[1:29:05] Voice 4: That's an interior fence.

[1:29:07] Voice 4: And if you ban structures, fences in the interior,

[1:29:11] Voice 4: I can't screen easily.

[1:29:13] Voice 4: And if you're going to require screening of shipping containers,

[1:29:16] Voice 4: then you need flexibility as to where that goes.

[1:29:19] Voice 4: And these are adjustments easily made to a Bible,

[1:29:22] Voice 4: but I'd like that considered.

[1:29:24] Voice 4: And the second is shipping containers,

[1:29:27] Voice 4: which have a bad press because they are unsightly

[1:29:32] Voice 4: in the view of many people.

[1:29:34] Voice 4: However, if you put a peak roof on a shipping container

[1:29:38] Voice 4: and screen it, really the objection goes away.

[1:29:42] Voice 4: The advantage of shipping containers

[1:29:45] Voice 4: containers are many. They are rodent-proof. They, by their nature, sit on four feet off

[1:29:52] Voice 4: the ground, so the soil underneath the area of that structure is permeable.

[1:30:00] Voice 4: to rainwater um they are relatively inexpensive and they are amenable to to recycling you can

[1:30:09] Voice 4: melt it down and make another one when it comes to the end of service life that's not the case

[1:30:13] Voice 4: with a lumber building in general it's just scrapped or burned or pulled those

[1:30:19] Voice 4: and they offer for someone who has a piece of land but can't afford to build a house they offer

[1:30:28] Voice 4: offer a place for storage so that person that rental person can move into a very small space

[1:30:34] Voice 4: and he has a set of cupboards to use i'm speaking of my own situation but i know others in the

[1:30:39] Voice 4: same situation and extending that discussion to use of unbuilt land again rental situation

[1:30:49] Voice 4: um people can't afford to build a house they either and there's no zoning for uh storage

[1:30:56] Voice 4: storage structures at the moment. But even if there were, if they have a lot to put it and use

[1:31:02] Voice 4: as a cupboard, they have privacy and they can afford again to take a modest dwelling and put

[1:31:09] Voice 4: most of their stuff in cupboards on their own land. And on Galliano Island, there is no limit

[1:31:15] Voice 4: on structures on unbuilt land. And if you ask Trustee Pottle, who was in business for many,

[1:31:21] Voice 4: many years. The difficulty with structures of unbuilt land comes not when the house is built,

[1:31:33] Voice 4: then the real environmental impact. So an unbuilt lot is a way of persuading someone with an

[1:31:41] Voice 4: unbuilt lot to keep it as such without a minimum maybe one or two or three percent of the area of

[1:31:47] Voice 4: a lot for structures structures anything that lands on the rest zone land or water and leave

[1:31:53] Voice 4: it at that without creating a bottle enforcement nightmare i hope i've been succinct thank you

[1:32:01] Voice 3: great any other comments questions today i

[1:32:10] Trustee McConchie: just want to know uh one of our vice chair

[1:32:12] Trustee McConchie: of the aapc bart johnson graham grace here barb did you have any questions

[1:32:16] Trustee McConchie: for the ltc i just saw you you were right yeah

[1:32:18] Voice 3: the first question i have is about

[1:32:22] Voice 3: it's a section early in the bylaws where it talks about all zones and

[1:32:27] Voice 3: one shipping container this home

[1:32:33] Voice 3: and do you

[1:32:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): know which section

[1:32:43] Trustee McConchie: did you hear that question no

[1:32:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): i didn't sorry

[1:32:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): so it's permitted in all zones or it's about shipping containers which zones they're permitted

[1:32:53] Voice 12: in

[1:32:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah

[1:32:55] Voice 12: so they're they're permitted on all zones it's only regulated in the rural residential one

[1:33:00] Voice 12: rural residential two rural rural comprehensive one and rural comprehensive two where the number

[1:33:06] Voice 12: of shipping containers are regulated but in all other zones a shipping container would be

[1:33:12] Voice 12: considered an accessory building okay

[1:33:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): so you're so so that interpretation in everyday language is

[1:33:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're allowed shipping containers in any zone if you have a primary use on the property that's

[1:33:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): correct you are allowed specific uses without a primary use being engaged in areas where we

[1:33:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): have specific exemptions so that the ones that you named like the the restrictions on number

[1:33:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): are specified in a particular zone.

[1:33:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's correct.

[1:33:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): So to your question, Bar,

[1:33:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): that would mean they can be in all zones

[1:33:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): if there's no specific limitation,

[1:33:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): there is no specific limitation

[1:33:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): on the number of shipping containers.

[1:33:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): Is that correct?

[1:33:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yes, yes.

[1:33:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): So yes, you can have them on lands

[1:34:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): that are not specified to limit the number.

[1:34:04] Voice 12: So for agricultural lands,

[1:34:06] Voice 12: your permitted shipping containers,

[1:34:08] Voice 12: the number of shipping containers are not regulated.

[1:34:11] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:34:14] Voice 19: And if

[1:34:16] Voice 3: you have any questions for me, because I know I've been listening off

[1:34:19] Voice 19: and on to your

[1:34:20] Voice 19: meetings that you kind of zoomed in, so

[1:34:24] Voice 3: I was thinking about it.

[1:34:29] Voice 3: And I also have a point about split-zone properties that are A, rural, and house size.

[1:34:38] Voice 3: if there's a way to be sure that the house size is a limit is the same for the rural portion as

[1:34:46] Voice 3: a portion so people are more inclined to maybe not push it onto a portion since agriculture

[1:34:56] Voice 3: can you hear kim yes it's just the cognizant that there's split zone parcels

[1:35:07] Voice 11: I

[1:35:08] Voice 3: think we are considering applying the the house size on agricultural plant it just it's

[1:35:16] Voice 3: the acreage size yeah

[1:35:18] Voice 19: so it

[1:35:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): wouldn't actually change the so so on split zoned so this is

[1:35:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): I need clarification on this but on split zoned so say you have ag and rural or the

[1:35:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): the house size rules would apply to all zones equally regardless of its ag or rural and if you

[1:35:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): wanted it different you'd have to come in for a variance that's my understanding of the current

[1:35:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): move on the house size is that accurate kim um

[1:35:47] Voice 12: no i mean really where you're building on the

[1:35:51] Voice 12: property so if you're building on the property within the rural zone you would have to abide by

[1:35:55] Voice 12: the regulations in the rural zone um and so if you're building on the agriculture and this is

[1:36:02] Voice 12: i think what the point is made is perhaps then property owners who are split rural and agriculture

[1:36:06] Voice 12: will there's more of an incentive to build on the agricultural portion because if it's in the alr

[1:36:15] Voice 12: you'd be permitted to have a house that's up to 5400 square feet okay

[1:36:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): so just so that's actually

[1:36:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): slightly different understanding than i had of our various conversations so my understanding was that

[1:36:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): while we understood that the ag regulations were that we could bring them down to be equivalent

[1:36:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): to what was on the world because we didn't want to have this particular situation that barb is naming

[1:36:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i thought we had applied house size to all zones and if it's in the alr you can build a

[1:36:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): house up to that in the LR, but local government can regulate it down.

[1:36:54] Voice 12: Yes, that's correct. You can regulate it down,

[1:36:56] Voice 12: but you would have to do it now in this.

[1:36:58] Voice 12: No,

[1:36:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): but I thought we had. So that's a,

[1:37:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's a question that we should discuss. Okay. So thank you.

[1:37:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): So right now in our current land use bylaws,

[1:37:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): ag lands are not the same house size as the other zones.

[1:37:11] Voice 12: No, I'm just saying that if, if you're in the agricultural land reserve,

[1:37:14] Voice 12: you're permitted up to 500 meters squared. And that,

[1:37:17] Voice 12: that is the same for um all of the zones except for the rural zone the rural zone allows a house

[1:37:26] Voice 12: to be 5 400 square feet if the property is greater than 40 acres which would only apply

[1:37:33] Voice 12: to a handful of properties okay

[1:37:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): so sorry kim i think somehow we're talking past each other

[1:37:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): let me try it again so the current bylaw the the current draft bylaw that we have

[1:37:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): does not regulate down our agricultural zone which maps up pretty closely if not exactly

[1:37:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): on to our alr lands does not regulate down the house size to our rural zone house sizes

[1:37:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): or or not just our

[1:37:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): rules on our house size grid that we have

[1:38:01] Voice 12: that's included in the egg zone yes

[1:38:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so in my understanding then if that's the case is if somebody has alr land in our egg zone

[1:38:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): and we have that type of like restriction they can't build a bigger house than what we have said

[1:38:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): they can build unless they have a variance but

[1:38:21] Voice 3: don't we allow the 500 square meters yes

[1:38:24] Voice 12: yes so

[1:38:25] Voice 3: we are allowing 500 square meters and that was for the aapc's recommendation what's the 500 square

[1:38:31] Voice 3: meters this is 5 000 square feet okay oh

[1:38:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay thank you i need to start speaking my house

[1:38:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): sizes are okay okay so yes but that's part of our grid it's based on the size of the land

[1:38:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's not just about ag or not ag or rural or not rural it's based on the size of the land

[1:38:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): the size of the parcel right like we're not okay i'm sorry i don't know how to make this clear but

[1:38:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): we're not having ag have a separate grid of house sizes the grid that we have of house sizes applies

[1:39:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): applies to any parcel across exactly the the grid that we have um applies to any parcel across the

[1:39:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): island um based on its size that's correct okay so then we shouldn't have what you just said Barb

[1:39:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): like we we should be equal okay okay yeah yeah thank you and I do understand Kim thank you very

[1:39:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): much for clarifying the ALR rules I just did understand when we originally did those the local

[1:39:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): government could regulate differently we chose barb not to make the highest level of the grid

[1:39:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): different than the alr level we actually kept it at the higher level of the alr level

[1:39:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): but that means that for big properties it can be on alr not alr the same

[1:39:48] Voice 12: and i i should just say that since we do have a member of the aapc at the meeting it may be

[1:39:55] Voice 12: be worthwhile or three sorry I can't see you all that the three members could reiterate

[1:40:03] Voice 12: why they believe adding agriculture as a principal permitted use in the RR2 was recommended

[1:40:11] Voice 12: because I believe this is something that the LTC is actually considering removing from or

[1:40:18] Voice 12: regulating further in the RR2 zone so this might be a great time to have that conversation.

[1:40:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yes. And

[1:40:23] Voice 12: can I just

[1:40:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): ask one more thing about the house before we move away from it?

[1:40:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): So the one other thing, though, to clarify about the way that we did the limits on the house size.

[1:40:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): So ALR land cannot be reduced past 25 acres.

[1:40:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): Is that right? 25 hectares or 25 acres? There's some limit.

[1:40:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): Is it 40? Oh, I thought it was less than that.

[1:40:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): Anyway, rural residential land can be reduced down to 10.

[1:40:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): so we are in a risk to some degree allowing a larger house size on rural residential

[1:40:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): but we didn't want to get into the conflict that you named so we didn't change that because

[1:41:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): people can build a big house maximum size house on a 50 acre lot that's rural then subdivide it

[1:41:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): into five lots now they have a 10 acre lot that has a big house on it right so you kind of got

[1:41:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): to think these you know options

[1:41:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): through but we left it the way it was so that it was equal for

[1:41:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): those adjacent parcels all these details all right do you want to do the question that um

[1:41:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): kim just asked about um if anybody from the aapc wants to weigh

[1:41:32] Voice 3: in to namar

[1:41:47] Voice 3: So we wanted to be able to make them legal since no one's complained about it, uh, things

[1:41:55] Voice 3: like, but we're thinking also a little impact, uh, solar thinking, people who have orchards,

[1:42:01] Voice 3: People who have a few sheep grazing, and often it's their undeveloped parcel that's next to the home parcel.

[1:42:10] Voice 3: Or it could be somebody's parcel that said, we want to put some sheep in to graze.

[1:42:15] Voice 3: So we were thinking about that.

[1:42:27] Voice 17: that

[1:42:28] Voice 17: okay

[1:42:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's great thank you i

[1:42:46] Voice 3: think what's

[1:42:47] Voice 3: our concern is when people put in permanent structures that then there's then a use of change

[1:42:54] Voice 3: you know suddenly they have these permanent structures it's there so suddenly we're thinking

[1:43:01] Voice 3: We were thinking about, you know,

[1:43:03] Voice 3: low impact temporary structures for the livestock shelter.

[1:43:08] Voice 17: Certain things have come to light since.

[1:43:11] Voice 17: We've gotten better at changing things.

[1:43:14] Voice 17: I see.

[1:43:15] Voice 17: Yeah,

[1:43:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): but the accessory building thing,

[1:43:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): we made a change on Thursday so that it was a lower like building.

[1:43:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): 4.6 meters.

[1:43:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): So in that instance,

[1:43:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): like if they wanted a bigger one for a very realistic reason,

[1:43:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): our specifiers,

[1:43:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): years and they just have to come for a variance that would be a bigger competition that's the

[1:43:32] Voice 17: existing yeah

[1:43:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah that's right

[1:43:34] Voice 17: not the proposal yeah yeah yeah and

[1:43:39] Voice 12: to clarify the ltc actually

[1:43:41] Voice 12: didn't pass the motion um the ltc has staff to draft one so

[1:43:44] Voice 14: i have drafted

[1:43:45] Voice 12: one for you yeah

[1:43:46] Voice 12: so that will be dealt with today okay

[1:43:48] Voice 3: and i'd like to add that for definitions of agriculture

[1:43:51] Voice 3: culture for AOR yeah use the land conditions definition but the LTC can decide on its own

[1:43:59] Voice 3: definitions for rural and rural residential for those okay that's great thank you all right any

[1:44:08] Voice 19: other

[1:44:08] Voice 3: comments or questions are you guys okay

[1:44:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): I

[1:44:27] Voice 12: just want to let the LTC know I have sent an update to the update to the update of the

[1:44:32] Voice 12: motions thank you as

[1:44:34] Voice 12: i've as we've been going through it

[1:44:36] Voice 12: and they're quick quick break time

[1:44:40] Voice 3: for

[1:44:41] Trustee McConchie: your input everyone thank you

[1:44:43] Trustee McConchie: okay

[1:44:45] Voice 3: so we have the last uh let me let me make sure i'm dealing

[1:44:50] Voice 3: with the right time one so it's the last one that came from him at 1 21. uh yes

[1:44:57] Voice 12: let's go

[1:45:01] Voice 12: is it recording yes okay i got it too thank you um i've also for the members um there are

[1:45:09] Voice 12: community members that are there i have actually posted this to the ltc website because i know it's

[1:45:14] Voice 12: a lot to follow along um so hopefully you can share um phones so hopefully we don't bog down

[1:45:22] Voice 12: the internet but i did pass the draft or put the draft motions up on the project website

[1:45:29] Voice 12: under the land use bylaw review under the folder that states more information and the draft motions

[1:45:36] Voice 12: are there all

[1:45:41] Voice 3: right trustees how would

[1:45:42] Voice 3: you like to address this draft in front of you

[1:45:46] Voice 3: um

[1:45:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): is there any logical order kim do you have a suggestion

[1:45:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): no logical

[1:45:52] Voice 12: order i did number them i did on the first page include the five that were passed on

[1:45:58] Voice 12: on the 11th, just as a reminder.

[1:46:00] Voice 12: But I think we should just work from one

[1:46:03] Voice 12: and work our way through.

[1:46:04] Trustee McConchie: Okay.

[1:46:05] Trustee McConchie: So one, you mean like on the first page

[1:46:10] Trustee McConchie: or do you mean one on the second page?

[1:46:12] Voice 12: So the first one would be to rescind a resolution

[1:46:16] Voice 12: that was on at the August 11th meeting.

[1:46:19] Voice 12: And this is a staff recommendation

[1:46:21] Voice 12: recommendation um based on the uh you down zone two properties on mckinnon road and i'm making

[1:46:29] Voice 12: this recommendation based on the fact that the ltc and the property owners had been in discussion for

[1:46:36] Voice 12: at least a year and a half and come to somewhat of a come to agreement of the proposed density

[1:46:42] Voice 12: and then the numbers were reduced further on August 11th.

[1:46:47] Voice 12: So I have put a motion there for the LTC to consider to actually rescind that motion.

[1:46:54] Trustee McConchie: So, yeah, so my intent on Thursday was to ensure that the community is informed about what the plan is

[1:47:02] Trustee McConchie: with regards to development in that area.

[1:47:06] Trustee McConchie: Now, I was very fortunate to have a lot more clarity provided by the applicant.

[1:47:12] Trustee McConchie: or by the property owners so I am now comfortable as a trustee and as folks moving towards the

[1:47:21] Trustee McConchie: public hearing that we have at least a plan in place and a it's not a professional report but

[1:47:29] Trustee McConchie: it's it's a guideline the community can understand a lot clearer so I'd be happy to support the staff

[1:47:35] Trustee McConchie: recommendation to rescind the resolution upon thursday so

[1:47:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): one thing that i would ask him is

[1:47:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): the plan i i really appreciate seeing the plan like seeing the drawing um and i'm wondering

[1:47:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): about um you received the drawing as well right kim that's correct okay so i'm wondering about

[1:47:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): having the drawing for each of those properties um tagged into the bylaw i know they're not legal

[1:47:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): drawings so the I so I basically want to have some way to have that plan communicated to the

[1:48:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): community inside the bylaw and like having it because so let me just back up my only concern

[1:48:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): in this around the density for that area is that we don't end up getting like a hotel or a whatever

[1:48:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): right and the plan that they have is totally not that the plan that they have is really a dispersed

[1:48:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): across the landscape thoughtful plan.

[1:48:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I would like to have that physical structure

[1:48:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the plan included with the site-specific zoning

[1:48:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): for that property.

[1:48:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): Is there a way to do that?

[1:48:39] Voice 12: Yeah, I wouldn't recommend attaching the plan

[1:48:41] Voice 12: because I'd imagine this is very draft and conceptual

[1:48:45] Voice 12: and locations of the buildings could change

[1:48:48] Voice 12: depending on, you know, accessory buildings, septic,

[1:48:52] Voice 12: or, you know, other reports that they have to get

[1:48:54] Voice 12: through the province.

[1:48:55] Voice 12: So the locations of those should change. What the LTC could consider is making an amendment to their site-specific zone, requiring that the units be individual units or that a tourist accommodation unit, I'm just going to look at the wording here.

[1:49:17] Voice 12: So it's really looking at amending the zone to ensure that you're not going to get an eight-plex.

[1:49:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): well there's two concerns right like the plan that they have is not to put what was it i think

[1:49:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): it was six was it 600 square feet buildings was the is that right was that the maximum

[1:49:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): no

[1:49:39] Voice 10: no

[1:49:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i know what you're planning on doing but like right now without any kind of other

[1:49:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): statement giving the current zoning like if we said it was dispersed well then that limits them

[1:49:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): to maybe they like they want to have one duplex that's fine but like um so i don't necessarily

[1:49:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to do that restriction what i what i really don't want is i don't want to necessarily say that

[1:50:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): we're going to have like maximum square footage like the 600 square foot times the 23 so maybe

[1:50:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's the way to handle it actually is so um the units in that area i don't know why i'm having

[1:50:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): having trouble finding that but the oh here it is 15 and 8 or 15 and 5 15 5 so the 15 and 5 units

[1:50:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): if we multiplied that by this so just the 15 if you multiply the 15 by the 600 square feet

[1:50:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): like what I would like to know is that that maximum is not going to be the maximum that's

[1:50:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): not because that's not what your intent is and so I'm and this is my challenge it's like I don't

[1:50:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): know that we can do this fully on the fly but i do want to like put some kind of cap on overall

[1:50:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): square foot because that's really the issue for me because what you're proposing has nothing to do

[1:50:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): with creating that much square footage on that property right and

[1:51:02] Voice 10: i just realized that when we're

[1:51:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): talking so

[1:51:04] Voice 10: restricted by unit anyway we're

[1:51:06] Voice 3: restricted by unit and we're restricted to 25

[1:51:09] Voice 3: block coverage and that plan we've submitted is four percent off coverage no

[1:51:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): no i understand all

[1:51:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): that okay but the problem is kim's saying we can't attach that plan to the thing so it's not legally

[1:51:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): binding okay so and because i can't attach that plan to the thing i have to figure out how what

[1:51:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): else i can make that's legally binding to attach to the thing otherwise you can do the rule the

[1:51:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): rule is 600 square foot per unit times 15 units that's what i'm so by going to 15 units that's

[1:51:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): what we're doing we're saying

[1:51:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): you can build something like

[1:51:43] Voice 10: personally we're comfortable

[1:51:44] Voice 10: But I think there needs to be some explanation to it, like a document that goes with it, so people understand what it means.

[1:51:50] Voice 10: I know everyone's concerned about groundwater, but there are solutions to groundwater, and rainwater is going to be a huge solution.

[1:51:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so this is my dilemma of the units.

[1:52:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): Because the plan that they have is really reasonable.

[1:52:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): on but if we can't annex the plan to this as a intent then it's not legally binding

[1:52:16] Voice 3: if you're reducing our density to 15 and it's stated that we cannot build more than 600 square

[1:52:24] Voice 3: feet per unit

[1:52:26] Voice 3: per unit but you're not

[1:52:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): intending to build 600 square feet per unit no and that's

[1:52:32] Voice 3: the math no and

[1:52:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): i so that's exactly what i'm saying is right now if you if we give you this

[1:52:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): like 15 and 5 right and you sell the property tomorrow somebody could come in and build 600

[1:52:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): square feet per unit and it's different than what you're planning but it's still way it's four

[1:52:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): percent lot coverage it's still 600

[1:52:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): square feet yes okay

[1:52:55] Voice 2: that's helpful to know sorry that's not

[1:52:57] Voice 2: what i

[1:52:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): understood was the four percent so that's good

[1:52:59] Voice 10: yeah okay yeah it's

[1:53:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): way under 96 percent of

[1:53:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): land and green space left yeah no i got you on that so i thought the four percent was

[1:53:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): the current plan not necessarily okay good i'm good yep i'd

[1:53:13] Trustee McConchie: like to make a motion that

[1:53:14] Trustee McConchie: the north pender island local trust committee rescind the resolution made at north pender

[1:53:17] Trustee McConchie: island local trust committee august 11 2022 regular meeting that reads that the north

[1:53:21] Trustee McConchie: pender island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 224 set it as north pender island

[1:53:26] Trustee McConchie: land use bylaw number 224 2022 be amended to reduce the number of tourist accommodation

[1:53:31] Trustee McConchie: from 8 to 3 for 1349 McKinnon Rd and from 15 to 7 to 1329 McKinnon Rd.

[1:53:40] Voice 3: Second. Any discussion? So

[1:53:42] Trustee McConchie: this this is a rescinding of the motion being that now now that I I wanted to clarify.

[1:53:50] Trustee McConchie: I wanted to plan. I want to go to that's just sick.

[1:53:53] Trustee McConchie: I want to go to public hearing. I want to hear, you know, continue the process.

[1:53:58] Trustee McConchie: process um I'm really glad that you guys were able to uh really hear hear our opinions of wanting to

[1:54:05] Trustee McConchie: really kind of have a general understanding of what's going on there what your plan is

[1:54:08] Trustee McConchie: um so I'm I'm happy and uh ready to send this to public hearing those are the comments I have on

[1:54:13] Trustee McConchie: rescinding this and

[1:54:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): I would encourage us um just to continue that conversation with the plan and

[1:54:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): see if we can like include that plan in the materials that get posted to the website so

[1:54:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): the community is aware of what that is

[1:54:25] Voice 3: even if it's

[1:54:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): not legally attached to the document that

[1:54:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): it is actually out to the community for conversation okay

[1:54:31] Voice 3: all right any further

[1:54:32] Voice 3: discussion all the vote all those in favor that's rescinded thank you or carried so

[1:54:40] Voice 12: number two uh

[1:54:41] Voice 12: this addresses um the height of agriculture and whole horticultural buildings and structures in

[1:54:48] Voice 12: the rural residential one and rural residential two and if this passes then those structures and

[1:54:53] Voice 12: buildings would not could not exceed 4.5 meters in height and one story okay

[1:55:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): and this is changeable

[1:55:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): by a variance if somebody wants and makes a good conversation with the community about it

[1:55:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's correct thank you okay can

[1:55:10] Voice 3: i just point out that just just a second um do you want to

[1:55:15] Voice 3: hear from joyce yeah

[1:55:17] Trustee McConchie: well joyce was the one that has been this proponent so just check with the

[1:55:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): chair before i'm

[1:55:21] Voice 3: sorry no it's okay we just don't want random conversations no i i i just want to

[1:55:26] Voice 3: say that this language does not fragment what we were asking because it it still contemplates that

[1:55:33] Voice 3: agricultural buildings would be allowed and the way the language has been drafted

[1:55:40] Voice 3: we don't agree they were allowed before but they're specifically not allowed now yes yes okay

[1:55:48] Voice 3: Okay, so we should do Section 6 first, Motion 6, which says that agriculture is not allowed as a primary purpose.

[1:55:58] Voice 3: We don't want to recognize in this section that agricultural buildings would be allowed.

[1:56:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, I think that's right.

[1:56:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): So if we can go to Motion 6 first, and then if that passes, then we can take agriculture out of Motion 2.

[1:56:12] Voice 3: Do you agree with that, Kim?

[1:56:16] Voice 12: um yeah the reason why i use agriculture there is because it would um instead of stating that

[1:56:23] Voice 12: buildings or structures to cover rabbits poultry raising pig farming dog breeding

[1:56:29] Voice 12: boarding kennels and keeping of livestock should be 4.6 meters in height right it agriculture

[1:56:35] Voice 12: culture. That's why we included that. Because if the LTC does remove agriculture as a primary

[1:56:46] Voice 12: permitted use, the general regulations state that any type of agricultural buildings in the RR2

[1:56:54] Voice 12: zone must be no more than 4.6 meters in height and one story. Therefore, if somebody comes along

[1:57:00] Voice 12: and wants to put a barn up to cover their livestock,

[1:57:04] Voice 12: that would be considered an agricultural-related building.

[1:57:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): But it would be an agricultural building only in the context of the narrow definition

[1:57:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): of what is allowed on that space.

[1:57:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): So

[1:57:22] Voice 12: the problem that we're

[1:57:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): having with the use of the word agriculture

[1:57:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): versus the use of the word farm, which if we potentially get the use

[1:57:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): use a definition of farm in here first may be the right move is that um agriculture opens up a bunch

[1:57:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): of other gray areas of like how we understand and reference agriculture because now we're referencing

[1:57:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): potentially agricultural doc like legal documents outside of the trust so what i would suggest in

[1:57:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): this case is that we actually do the motion to add farm and farm operation in here and put um

[1:57:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): Farm buildings or structures allowed in this area

[1:58:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): is the motion two.

[1:58:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so there, this is obviously like,

[1:58:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): there's a multiple thing going on here

[1:58:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): about what's working and what's not working.

[1:58:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): There's a sequencing problem.

[1:58:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I need to understand which sequencing thing to do first.

[1:58:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): Personally, I would like to go,

[1:58:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): I would like to go to motion six first

[1:58:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): and just get that out of the way

[1:58:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): so that we

[1:58:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): know which way we're going on that

[1:58:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): because that's gonna-

[1:58:22] Trustee McConchie: Chair Patrick, I moved that the North Pender Island

[1:58:25] Trustee McConchie: local trust committee proposed bylaw 223

[1:58:27] Trustee McConchie: cited as north panoramic official community plan byline number 171 2007 amendment number one to

[1:58:32] Trustee McConchie: 2021 be amended by deleting section two i second

[1:58:38] Trustee McConchie: which which is sorry go ahead

[1:58:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): no that's so it's two there's

[1:58:42] Trustee McConchie: two motions so

[1:58:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): i second the first motion that's motion six a

[1:58:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): are is there any discussion i'll

[1:58:51] Voice 3: call the vote all those in favor that's kerry okay could i make

[1:58:57] Voice 3: a suggestion as to how we hold on do you want to carry on i

[1:59:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): think it's helpful to hear right now

[1:59:05] Voice 3: thanks joyce i just i just seek their permission that's all sorry i'm not trying to override but

[1:59:12] Voice 3: i'm just trying to suggest that it might be helpful now to amend the definitions next before

[1:59:19] Voice 3: before you do, so that if you amended the definitions

[1:59:22] Voice 3: as I suggested for the definition of agriculture

[1:59:29] Voice 3: to include in agriculture in an area

[1:59:34] Voice 3: where it's a primary permitted purpose,

[1:59:36] Voice 3: and then you add the definition of farm,

[1:59:39] Voice 3: which means a farm operation conducted on land

[1:59:43] Voice 3: that is sold for agriculture as a principal permitted use,

[1:59:46] Voice 3: then it's clear that agriculture, as it's defined, is not allowed on our R02 land.

[1:59:55] Voice 3: But the other defined purposes, such as...

[2:00:00] Voice 3: keeping livestock keeping horticulture are all permitted purposes they're simply not agriculture

[2:00:07] Voice 3: they're not farming okay

[2:00:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'm not sure that helps us with motion two we still need to think about

[2:00:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): what the language is in motion two but i

[2:00:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): do think that we should do the second of the six first

[2:00:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): the north

[2:00:21] Trustee McConchie: panoramic trust committee proposed bylaw number 229 said as north panoramic land

[2:00:25] Trustee McConchie: use bylaw number 224 2022 amendment number 1 2022 be amended by the leading subsection 2.2

[2:00:29] Trustee McConchie: Okay,

[2:00:31] Voice 3: so

[2:00:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): what we just did there is just cleared up the agricultural language out of row two so just wait let's let's let's see if we can walk through this and like, we're listening to you.

[2:00:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): So now I think is the next one is actually the so and Kim I need you to weigh in on this issue of agriculture, did we have the change on the agriculture definition in these motions.

[2:00:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): No,

[2:01:00] Voice 12: because I don't believe the definition of agriculture should be amended.

[2:01:03] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:01:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): So, and you don't believe that it should be amended in our land use bylaws because

[2:01:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): why?

[2:01:12] Voice 12: Because you don't need to put in a definition that it's only permitted where it's states

[2:01:20] Voice 12: in a zone. That zone would state that use. So it's repetitive. It's not necessary.

[2:01:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): understand what you're saying that's that's helpful so if we have just moved the use of

[2:01:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): agriculture from the um rr2 then we have to think about if we add that specific type of use it's not

[2:01:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): necessary we're not defining it as agriculture so this is a dilemma for us so if we allow specific

[2:01:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): specific agriculture uses in the RR2 that are horticulture and specific livestock, we are not

[2:02:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): saying that broadly speaking, they are agriculture. We are saying

[2:02:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): that they are specific narrow uses

[2:02:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we are allowing in the RR2. Okay. So we have done that. We have actually done that by what we

[2:02:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): just did. Now we need to read back in those specific uses. And that's a motion. And those

[2:02:20] Voice 12: are the motions i listed for in four and five where you add horticulture and keeping of livestock

[2:02:26] Voice 12: as a principal use in the rr2 zone i still have to tweak um motion draft motion number

[2:02:35] Voice 12: two two yeah

[2:02:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so uh the one tweak that we need in five is we should add beekeeping

[2:02:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): do we have beekeeping listed anywhere in our bylaws

[2:02:49] Voice 3: no okay

[2:02:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): so because beekeeping was stated as one of the uses that the um aap and others here have

[2:03:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): said that we should keep them so if you can think about that related to number five what might need

[2:03:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): to be said there about beekeeping um can we read in number four okay sorry

[2:03:16] Trustee McConchie: yeah i i'm ready to

[2:03:17] Trustee McConchie: rock and roll here at the north pender island trust committee byline number 224 senate is

[2:03:21] Trustee McConchie: north pender island land use bylaw number 224 2022 be amended by added adding the following

[2:03:27] Trustee McConchie: new articles to subsection 5.2.1 horticulture second

[2:03:33] Voice 3: second any discussion now

[2:03:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): call the vote

[2:03:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): all those in favor and that's carrie okay um can i just ask i i know that it doesn't seem like it

[2:03:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): but it's actually really complicated to do all this right now and it just if you if you're

[2:03:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): whispering in the back be super whispery it's just hard for me to focus on all those 10 000

[2:03:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): documents i got so jealous

[2:03:53] Trustee McConchie: of how much fun you're having

[2:03:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): so

[2:03:58] Voice 12: for number five one way to address the

[2:04:00] Voice 12: be keeping is you just say you add keeping of livestock and be keeping as a principal use in the

[2:04:07] Voice 12: rr2 zone so

[2:04:10] Trustee McConchie: i make a motion at the northern just

[2:04:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): one second is there a different language that

[2:04:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're suggesting for this i think i'd like you

[2:04:16] Voice 13: to consider there is a provision for the keeping

[2:04:17] Voice 13: of rabbits and chickens and the difference between that provision and the keeping of livestock

[2:04:23] Voice 13: livestock is that um I believe livestock is confined no actually adding beekeeping as a

[2:04:32] Voice 3: primary uh would be good because then it would allow it as on an empty lot so just adding it

[2:04:40] Voice 3: to the keeping of livestock is okay

[2:04:42] Voice 11: would work and

[2:04:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): if we need to refine this as we're going forward

[2:04:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's okay like in the like longer term picture because somebody will come to me at some point

[2:04:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): trust me Karen and be like my bunny's made at home so like we'll get it in there at some point

[2:04:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): so

[2:04:57] Voice 12: just so it's clear how then if this motion does get passed the rural residential zone when

[2:05:03] Voice 12: you see the list of permitted uses it would go the permitted uses are dwelling cottage

[2:05:11] Voice 12: horticulture keeping of livestock beekeeping secondary suite accessory home business you see

[2:05:18] Voice 12: the beekeeping wouldn't be like injected into the livestock or anything yeah and the beekeeping

[2:05:25] Trustee McConchie: wouldn't be injected into the livestock okay

[2:05:29] Voice 12: four turns four turns

[2:05:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): into the

[2:05:32] Voice 12: definition of livestock

[2:05:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): and so the last

[2:05:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): which is keeping of bees right kim keeping of bees keeping of bees yeah i'm gonna try

[2:05:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): it okay so the north pender island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 224 cited as

[2:05:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): North Pender Island land use file number 224-2022 be amended by deleting the words

[2:05:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): and keeping of livestock from article 5.2.1f by deleting the word accessory from subsection

[2:06:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): 5.2.13 and by adding the following new article to subsection 5.2.1 keeping of livestock and

[2:06:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): and keeping of bees.

[2:06:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): Did I get it?

[2:06:17] Voice 12: Just a friendly amendment

[2:06:18] Voice 12: that'll be instead of new article,

[2:06:20] Voice 12: it'll be new articles.

[2:06:22] Voice 12: So just for a minute.

[2:06:23] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:06:23] Voice 3: It hadn't been seconded yet,

[2:06:24] Voice 3: so not a friendly amendment.

[2:06:26] Voice 3: Thank you, yes.

[2:06:27] Voice 3: All right.

[2:06:28] Voice 3: All I missed was an S.

[2:06:29] Trustee McConchie: I second the motion.

[2:06:30] Voice 3: It's now been seconded.

[2:06:31] Voice 3: Any discussion?

[2:06:33] Voice 3: Call the vote.

[2:06:33] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[2:06:35] Voice 3: Terry.

[2:06:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so we've done four, five, six.

[2:06:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): We did one.

[2:06:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): Now we want to vote for two.

[2:06:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): Do you want us to do three

[2:06:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): while you're still working on two yes yeah

[2:06:45] Voice 11: okay

[2:06:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): so all right any discussion on three months the only

[2:06:54] Trustee McConchie: question i always have about agritourism is what on earth is agritourism and who is doing it because

[2:07:00] Trustee McConchie: i don't know anybody farmers so

[2:07:03] Voice 3: like deleting this the concern

[2:07:05] Trustee McConchie: i have is are we what are they

[2:07:08] Trustee McConchie: every application is deleted it's

[2:07:09] Voice 10: like the winery on this tournament yeah yeah but yeah yeah

[2:07:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah

[2:07:14] Voice 6: so i

[2:07:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): think that was the issue that we were like doing something that

[2:07:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): was not really a thing we could do

[2:07:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): right okay

[2:07:31] Voice 19: so it's just a cleanup move right now

[2:07:33] Trustee McConchie: i moved that the north better

[2:07:34] Trustee McConchie: island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 224 cited as north pender island land

[2:07:38] Trustee McConchie: file number 2g4 2022 be amended by deleting article 5.2.1g

[2:07:44] Voice 3: second seconded by mr morrison

[2:07:46] Voice 3: in the discussion all the vote

[2:07:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): all those in favor carry

[2:07:50] Voice 3: okay

[2:07:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): want us to keep going down or do you

[2:07:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to come back to two i'm good

[2:07:55] Voice 12: so i'm going to propose two motions under two the first one

[2:08:00] Voice 12: is by amending motion number two where it says despite subsection 3.4.2 you strike out agriculture

[2:08:08] Voice 12: and so then that sentence would just say that horticultural buildings and structures located in

[2:08:14] Voice 12: the rrr1 and rr2 zones must not exceed 4.6 meters in height in one story so that would take care of

[2:08:22] Voice 12: horticulture buildings and structures then i

[2:08:25] Voice 12: would propose a second motion where you would

[2:08:29] Voice 12: amend the rural residential two zone and state that all building and structures

[2:08:36] Voice 12: other than those for a dwelling and a cottage must not exceed 4.6 meters in height and one story

[2:08:43] Voice 12: okay

[2:08:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): so my my question is can we just do the second one well

[2:08:50] Voice 12: we have to amend this yes you

[2:08:54] Voice 12: could pardon me you could give

[2:08:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): me a moment i'm thinking this way okay so we could just do the

[2:09:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): second motion and it would cover everything because it covers horticulture buildings right

[2:09:04] Voice 12: yeah it would be so then for the rural residential one and rural residential zone all buildings and

[2:09:10] Voice 12: structures must not exceed 4.6 meters in height and one story except for a dwelling or cottage

[2:09:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's nice and clean i like that who's going to make that motion can

[2:09:23] Voice 3: i just move and can you send

[2:09:25] Voice 3: the language to robin so she can have that one so because that's just i second the

[2:09:32] Voice 5: trustee morrison

[2:09:33] can i get a comment

[2:09:36] Voice 3: oh uh sure so so my concern in putting forward changes to the definition of

[2:09:45] Voice 3: agriculture and adding a definition of farm is that currently agriculture is not a permitted

[2:09:53] Voice 3: use in the rr2 zone but that activities that could be agriculture in nature have been interpreted as

[2:10:02] Voice 3: being farming and allowing buildings for foreign purposes okay so what i've proposed in the

[2:10:12] Voice 3: the definitions is to amend the definition of agriculture to say, to make it perfectly

[2:10:25] Voice 3: clear by saying in the zone where agriculture is a principal permitted use, that would be

[2:10:32] Voice 3: the r and alr or ag zones and then because there is no as planner stockdale has pointed out there

[2:10:43] Voice 3: is no specific definition of farm i'm proposing to say that farm needs a farm operation conducted

[2:10:52] Voice 3: conducted on land that is zoned for agriculture as a principal community use this way it makes

[2:11:00] Voice 3: it entirely clear that it is only on the our ag lands that agriculture and farming take place

[2:11:11] Voice 3: okay

[2:11:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): so I Kim can I suggest something here so my and I want your take on this and I I want to be

[2:11:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): like really clear because i think that there is a slightly simpler move here when i look at the

[2:11:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): current definition of agriculture and our things it says agriculture okay first of all i don't

[2:11:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): think that this is the conversation right now let me just stop this i think we need to finish this

[2:11:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): motion which is unrelated to this particular issue

[2:11:37] Voice 19: i'm not exactly sure so

[2:11:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): let's let's just finish

[2:11:41] Trustee McConchie: this

[2:11:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): motion about buildings because it takes the agriculture out of the buildings and then let's

[2:11:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): come back to the definition thing okay so

[2:11:47] Trustee McConchie: are we discussing a motion yeah

[2:11:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): we do can you read the

[2:11:51] Trustee McConchie: motion

[2:11:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): back can you read the motion back that

[2:11:53] Voice 12: the north pender island local trust committee

[2:11:57] Voice 12: proposed bylaw number 224 cited as north pender island land use bylaw number 224 2020 be amended

[2:12:04] Voice 12: be amended by um by amending the rural residential one sorry be amended by res

[2:12:16] Voice 12: amending the rural residential one and rural residential two zones so all buildings must

[2:12:22] Voice 12: all buildings and structures must not exceed 4.6 meters in height and one story except for

[2:12:29] Voice 12: a dwelling or cottage that's

[2:12:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's right that's we should just go ahead and vote on that right

[2:12:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): any further discussion uh

[2:12:36] Trustee McConchie: the discussion is i support this because i don't want massive

[2:12:40] Trustee McConchie: structures and small lots that are not meant for farming all

[2:12:43] Voice 3: right then i'll call the vote

[2:12:45] Voice 3: Oh, all those in favor?

[2:12:46] Voice 3: Carried.

[2:12:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, can I pause this for a second

[2:12:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): on our various motion list here?

[2:12:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you very much, Kim, for doing these on the fly.

[2:12:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): So on the definition question,

[2:12:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): definition right now of agriculture says,

[2:12:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): agriculture means the use of land, buildings,

[2:13:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): and structures for a farm operation.

[2:13:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): What we don't have here is a definition of farm.

[2:13:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): So we have farm operation,

[2:13:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): means a farm use as defined

[2:13:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): find under the agricultural land commission act. But I would

[2:13:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): like to actually, I would like to adopt farm, or maybe we amend

[2:13:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): the farm operation. I know farm operation, I think seems right

[2:13:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): here. But But I

[2:13:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): think farm needs to be added. Because what, what

[2:13:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): the what a possible definition of farm. So the definition we

[2:13:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): could add is farm means a farm operation conducted on land that

[2:13:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): is zoned for agriculture as a principal permitted use and i know this seems redundant to some degree

[2:13:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): right because agriculture is alone

[2:13:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): but we did have a little bit of gray area when there are

[2:13:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): operations that um are agricultural like that are happening inside rural residential they're not

[2:14:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): full agricultural land so how does this play for you kim like is it an echo chamber problem that

[2:14:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): we end up with

[2:14:08] Voice 12: well i mean i just i really don't see why we need an add addition definition to

[2:14:13] Voice 12: farm when farm isn't referenced in the land use bylaw by itself it's always referenced either as

[2:14:19] Voice 12: a farm operation farm status you know farm retail sales and i'm not sure exactly where the concern

[2:14:26] Voice 12: lies is the concern that agricultural use still may be permitted in the rr2 zone and therefore

[2:14:33] Voice 12: four buildings could be 10 meters in height?

[2:14:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): So yes, the problem is, and that is only the

[2:14:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): problem we've uncovered. There may be other problems that we could uncover. So the problem

[2:14:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we know of is that if people come back to us and argue that raising pigs on their RR2 land

[2:14:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): is agriculture or it's a farm operation, then they should be allowed accessory buildings as

[2:15:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): per the agricultural so

[2:15:03] Voice 12: if you look at sex subsection 3.4.2 and bylaw 224 i'll let everybody

[2:15:09] Voice 12: take some time it's on page 18. 3.4.2 and i'll slowly read this out it says agricultural

[2:15:19] Voice 12: buildings and structures located in a zone where agriculture is a principal use must not exceed

[2:15:27] Voice 12: seed and this is where it allows the 10 meter buildings 15 meter buildings so agriculture has

[2:15:31] Voice 12: to be a principal use for you to have buildings of that height now that rr2 doesn't have agriculture

[2:15:39] Voice 12: as a principal use you would not be permitted to have a 10 meter barn okay

[2:15:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): so my argument with you

[2:15:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): then is that this is me as a new owner of property here on pender say um i come

[2:15:50] Voice 12: to you i bought this

[2:15:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): property and i say hey i'm going to engage in pig farming on this rr2 land because it's a loud use

[2:15:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's agricultural activity now i'm engaged in agriculture as a principal use on this land

[2:16:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): but it is allowed we've just specified that we can do pig farming yeah

[2:16:08] Voice 12: you're you're engaging

[2:16:10] Voice 12: in pig farming that that's it period so

[2:16:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): i agree with what you're saying it's great like it's a

[2:16:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): little gray so i'm i actually feel like we've tightened up the accessory building problem

[2:16:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): But I do think that we need to actually name this as a larger issue that we need to address like we need to flag it as a potentially gray area.

[2:16:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): There's a little bit of wiggle room in here I think between understanding what is agricultural as a principal use and understanding specified uses under the RR2 that are agricultural in nature.

[2:16:46] Voice 12: my advice then would be to amend 3.4.2 so it states that agriculture buildings and structures

[2:16:53] Voice 12: located in the rural zone rural comprehensive one rural comprehensive two and agriculture zone

[2:17:01] Voice 12: um are permitted to have buildings that do not exceed these heights and then that specifically

[2:17:07] Voice 12: specifically excludes the r1 and r2 zone yes

[2:17:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): can you i don't i'm sorry i'll

[2:17:15] Voice 12: work on that okay i'll

[2:17:16] Voice 12: work on that yeah

[2:17:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): that will solve the problem thank you wait

[2:17:20] Trustee McConchie: so we don't need to define farm

[2:17:21] Trustee McConchie: because

[2:17:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): the farm definition gets into like it's just a little

[2:17:25] Trustee McConchie: bit defining a farm

[2:17:26] Trustee McConchie: i understand

[2:17:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): the intent here but i think we get at the intent more tightly with with this particular

[2:17:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): I it's a complicated thing and I don't I

[2:17:37] Voice 3: don't have concerns as long as it's clear to the trustees and planners that buildings of that type are not exactly exactly and

[2:17:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): this is this is going to tighten it right down so yeah okay because what I'm

[2:17:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): saying what I'm if we just do farm and it's not necessarily getting us specifically at the building so yeah this tightens it down thank you for the suggestion okay okay

[2:18:02] Voice 3: Okay, where are we at?

[2:18:03] Voice 3: So we'll come back to that.

[2:18:04] Voice 3: So this means moving into item number seven.

[2:18:10] Voice 3: All right, seven.

[2:18:12] Voice 3: There's a whole bunch of options.

[2:18:13] Voice 3: Yeah,

[2:18:14] Voice 12: I do want to introduce this one quickly.

[2:18:16] Voice 12: Sorry, I just didn't mute myself.

[2:18:17] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:18:21] Voice 12: Okay, so I listed a couple different options for the LTC to consider.

[2:18:26] Voice 12: They're based around two ideas, and this is in relation.

[2:18:30] Trustee McConchie: Sorry, Planner Stockdale, just for the audience, we're talking about amending use.

[2:18:36] Trustee McConchie: Sorry, go ahead.

[2:18:38] Voice 12: I was just going to mention that, that this is for the boat storage at 4606 Razor Point Road behind the pub there, where boat storage is the only permitted use.

[2:18:48] Voice 12: I believe Anne is there as well, that she can speak to it.

[2:18:51] Voice 12: so the options the ltc can consider is if the ltc wants to add the use of covering the boat storage

[2:18:59] Voice 12: so that's one option the other option is to allow just one pump and utility shed with a maximum

[2:19:08] Voice 12: floor area of 10 meters or allowing the property have x amount of accessory buildings and structures

[2:19:16] Voice 12: So the decisions is, do you want covered boat storage on that lot, or do you want it just boat storage. Be, would you allow the property to have just one pump shed utility shed and no accessory buildings and structures, or see, would you allow the addition of

[2:19:36] Voice 12: accessory buildings and structures

[2:19:41] Trustee McConchie: well what would you what would the property owners

[2:19:50] Voice 6: and

[2:19:51] Trustee McConchie: why you know it's a good question that's all it means

[2:19:53] Voice 6: well i guess you look at it and if you read the rules now we're allowed 25 watt coverage so

[2:20:02] Voice 6: uh i guess i'm wondering why we're sitting here discussing that when in your rules right now

[2:20:08] we build 25 on that property and yet here we are arguing with you over a 64 square foot building

[2:20:15] whether it still be agricultural whether it be industrial doesn't matter buildings allow on any

[2:20:22] part of property um but the containers yeah we would like to have a few in there for sure

[2:20:30] Voice 6: and the expensive boats yeah they like to keep it falling off their boats okay

[2:20:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): so a couple quick

[2:20:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): comments on that so i needed clarification that i couldn't find in my paperwork and i should have

[2:20:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): asked you earlier so from my understanding what we talked about earlier here industrial uh or sorry

[2:20:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): shipping containers are allowed on they're not excluded from industrial land or were they limited

[2:20:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): on industrial land

[2:20:57] Voice 12: no they're not limited but this okay but for this specific property the only use

[2:21:04] Voice 12: use they're permitted is boat storage that's it so that

[2:21:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): doesn't include shipping containers the

[2:21:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): shipping containers are in use they actually have to be put on as a use it

[2:21:13] Voice 12: would be an accessory

[2:21:13] Voice 12: building or structure oh

[2:21:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): and there are no accessory buildings or structures explicitly stated on this

[2:21:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): oh so

[2:21:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): the problem is that we don't actually have accessory buildings or structures on this property

[2:21:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's right but

[2:21:26] Voice 12: you're not allowed buildings

[2:21:27] Voice 12: accessory to the accessory use that's correct

[2:21:30] Voice 12: you're not allowed that currently okay so option d would allow for covered boat storage and

[2:21:37] Voice 12: accessory accessory building and structures that must not exceed 4.6 meters in height

[2:21:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so option d okay can we stop talking because it's really hard to like sorry it's just really

[2:21:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): hard to focus on this and because i want to listen to you too so option d would actually put it back

[2:21:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): in sort of the normal land of industrial use land where you're allowed accessory buildings

[2:22:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): to the things that you're doing um with no size restriction but the size restriction would just

[2:22:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): come into play of the regular size restrictions that are out there which is the 25 coverage

[2:22:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): yes okay thank you very much comment question well

[2:22:17] Voice 3: i'm confused yes

[2:22:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'm trying to get good

[2:22:20] Voice 3: i think okay so are we talking about the proposed bylaws yeah

[2:22:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): so we are we are looking at all the

[2:22:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): proposed bylaws the draft bylaws and we're saying what option do we put in here to remedy the

[2:22:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): problem that you're having an electrical utility building that's that's getting

[2:22:36] Voice 18: around it's not

[2:22:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): just us no i understand

[2:22:38] Voice 18: every industrial property in the g i zone will not be allowed i unless you

[2:22:48] Voice 18: put i which is accessory uses buildings and structures unless you put it on every industrial

[2:22:56] Voice 18: site specific use okay thank you for that doing this with

[2:23:00] Voice 6: the waste management yeah no no i hear

[2:23:02] Voice 6: it

[2:23:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): i hear it so so kim that's the question is there a broader mo is this yes we have those

[2:23:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): coming okay point number eight okay so point number eight would help us get those that

[2:23:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): that accessory building used

[2:23:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): into those other industrial problems.

[2:23:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yes.

[2:23:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): So it's coming.

[2:23:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): It's the thought that's in there.

[2:23:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[2:23:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): If

[2:23:21] Trustee McConchie: I just speak for a second here,

[2:23:23] Trustee McConchie: it's the problem is the definition of bulk storage

[2:23:26] Trustee McConchie: is not fine.

[2:23:27] Trustee McConchie: It's the definition of only.

[2:23:28] Voice 6: Of only, right.

[2:23:29] Voice 6: The word storage in there is ignored.

[2:23:32] Voice 6: Because the word storage in the dictionary

[2:23:34] Voice 6: means to store something within a perfectly.

[2:23:38] Voice 6: Yeah, okay.

[2:23:39] Voice 6: So that word gets ignored.

[2:23:40] Voice 6: And

[2:23:41] Voice 18: all the industrial currently

[2:23:44] Voice 18: has the word only in your definitions so

[2:23:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): the so this motion one of these motions preferably d

[2:23:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): potentially here and then all the eight motions remedy that only problem by adding accessory

[2:23:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): buildings yeah

[2:23:57] Trustee McConchie: and i was looking at option d uh to allow covered both storage and accessory

[2:24:02] Trustee McConchie: buildings and structures yeah

[2:24:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): so

[2:24:04] Trustee McConchie: one

[2:24:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): one last thing so the only question that i had about this

[2:24:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): the other day was that we actually, the ALR confirmation of land, because this was a piece

[2:24:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): that was changed over, right? If I remember all this history correctly, this was the piece of

[2:24:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): land that there's a different piece of land in the ALR that was put in for this piece to come

[2:24:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): out and continue to have its industrial zoning. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. Okay. So the question

[2:24:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): i had kim the other day was just that we have confirmation because this happened like years

[2:24:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): ago where there wasn't confirmation we were changing some of the the rules around land

[2:24:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we had confirmation from the alr or alc or whatever it is um that we did actually have the

[2:24:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): swap approved yeah

[2:25:00] Voice 12: i'm gonna have to grab that i believe that i thought phil spoke to it but

[2:25:04] Voice 12: perhaps not um yeah so

[2:25:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): so what i would like what i would

[2:25:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): like to do is i'd like to read these motions

[2:25:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): in this is you know we're not running this into second reading right now i'd like to read these

[2:25:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): motions in and then i would like that document to be up on the uh the bylaw land use bylaw review

[2:25:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): because that we get we're getting questions about that so we need confirmation from the

[2:25:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): ALC and ALR otherwise we are impinging another agency so we need confirmation from that put up

[2:25:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): on the website so that we're done yeah

[2:25:36] Voice 18: okay so we were we had to have fencing and uh pretty trees

[2:25:42] Voice 18: yeah and um we were allowed three or yeah and we have not completed that's what phil said

[2:25:50] Voice 18: which is true we have not completed that thing yeah

[2:25:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): um and i understand that what i need is the

[2:25:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): letter saying that you have their approval given that you're doing these things yeah that's what

[2:26:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): i need to see on the website so when people ask me

[2:26:03] Voice 19: yeah but

[2:26:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): i need them to put it up on the website

[2:26:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so that's the only question that i have related to that so i would like to read these

[2:26:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): in so we get them in for them like all the options

[2:26:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): d i think it's d

[2:26:17] Trustee McConchie: yeah like i i think that i look

[2:26:19] Trustee McConchie: maybe i appreciate the comprehensive discussion here but it's like we're defining but in order

[2:26:24] Trustee McConchie: for them to store boats they need a structure and they need an accessory building it's not defined

[2:26:30] Trustee McConchie: in our laws so let's define it so option d defines it as far as i'm concerned i'll read it out

[2:26:36] Voice 19: that

[2:26:37] Trustee McConchie: the north pender island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 224 says north pender island

[2:26:40] Trustee McConchie: use bylaw number 224 2022 be amended by deleting the words despite subsection 5.101 the only

[2:26:47] Trustee McConchie: permitted use in this location is boat storage and replacing them with despite subsection 5.101

[2:26:55] Trustee McConchie: the only use is permitted in this location is covered boat storage and accessory buildings

[2:27:00] Trustee McConchie: and structures and all covered both storage buildings and structures and accessory buildings

[2:27:05] Trustee McConchie: and structures must not exceed a height of 4.6 meters to the site specific general industrial

[2:27:13] Trustee McConchie: real egip zone second so

[2:27:16] Trustee McConchie: that that is so they'll have a second so the only issue is uh whether or

[2:27:20] Trustee McConchie: not that's too short is that a good height is

[2:27:25] Voice 6: the main question give you a measurement on what the

[2:27:27] Voice 6: what that is because a couple of the boats with uh anything on the roof um say a radar dome they

[2:27:36] Voice 6: pretty well go in um they're at 12 by third so i'll measure what that height is i'd be surprised

[2:27:42] Voice 6: over that can

[2:27:44] Trustee McConchie: we amend the option for height at a future public hearing yes

[2:27:50] Voice 12: great

[2:27:51] Trustee McConchie: please

[2:27:52] Voice 12: the applicant could also apply for a variance as well if needed yeah okay

[2:27:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): but let's let's measure

[2:27:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): that and try and get it

[2:27:58] Voice 12: great

[2:27:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): thank you for the discussion call

[2:28:02] Voice 3: the vote all those in favor

[2:28:04] Voice 3: and that's carried so now on to all right

[2:28:09] Voice 3: yeah i

[2:28:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): do have there's a couple other pieces we have

[2:28:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): to come back to i haven't forgot them um

[2:28:16] Voice 12: i did finally draft the motion about clarifying the

[2:28:22] Voice 12: agriculture the height of agricultural buildings and i just sent

[2:28:26] Voice 12: that to the ltc to consider in

[2:28:28] Voice 12: your email can

[2:28:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): we keep finishing out these industrial ones and then yes absolutely thank you

[2:28:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): so on the date

[2:28:37] Voice 3: did you have some introductory words

[2:28:41] Voice 12: yes i think this is important and i i think i'll go over one by one rather than list all five so

[2:28:48] Voice 12: the first one is the main road properties these are the two properties that are south on port

[2:28:54] Voice 12: washington road what this would do is it would rezone it um to revert to those site-specific uses

[2:29:03] Voice 12: and it would also add accessory buildings and structures to the list of permitted uses

[2:29:11] so that's

[2:29:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): basically this yeah so

[2:29:15] Voice 12: that's main roads okay so

[2:29:16] Voice 12: it takes away all the general

[2:29:17] Voice 12: industrial uses and only allows those site-specific uses and accessory buildings and

[2:29:23] Voice 12: structures which is

[2:29:23] Trustee McConchie: what was clarified for the last meeting great thank you very much i move

[2:29:27] Trustee McConchie: that the north pender island trust committee proposed bylaw number 224 said it as north

[2:29:31] Trustee McConchie: pender island land use pilot number 224 2022 be amended by deleting the words quote in addition

[2:29:37] Trustee McConchie: to the uses permitted in subsection 5.1.01 the following uses are also permitted and replacing

[2:29:43] Trustee McConchie: it with quote the only uses permitted are and by adding accessory buildings and structures

[2:29:51] Trustee McConchie: to the list of permitted uses despite site-specific general industrial CGI CISO.

[2:29:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): I second.

[2:30:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): discussion? No, this is just keeping it very site-specific, but adding the accessory buildings.

[2:30:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's correct. Okay, great.

[2:30:07] Voice 3: There's no further discussion. I'll call the vote. All those in

[2:30:09] Voice 3: favor, and that is carried. Okay, the

[2:30:13] Voice 12: next two are the two properties just across the road from

[2:30:17] Voice 12: the main road properties. This is 3030 and 3034 Port Washington Road. Bylaw 224 would have re-zoned

[2:30:25] Voice 12: them to the general industrial zone but the motion here would actually reverse that and would retain

[2:30:31] Voice 12: the rural zone for those two properties okay

[2:30:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): so those two properties right now are braden's

[2:30:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): and sarah's that's correct okay thank you very much so the the intent here is that if these two

[2:30:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): remain as rural that they have to continue asking for temporary use permits or they have

[2:30:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): enough to do a community wide rezoning project themselves, and

[2:30:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): have those conversations with community. This was something

[2:30:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): that was asked for multiple times by all of those folks in

[2:31:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): that region. Okay, I am good to go on those two. Thank you.

[2:31:05] Trustee McConchie: Okay,

[2:31:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): sorry, you're apparently motion reader.

[2:31:08] Trustee McConchie: Because I'm the fastest reader.

[2:31:10] Trustee McConchie: That

[2:31:10] Voice 14: the

[2:31:13] Trustee McConchie: North Pen around the local trust committee proposed

[2:31:14] Trustee McConchie: bylaw number 224. So there's North Pen around land use bylaw

[2:31:16] Trustee McConchie: number 224 2022. The amended to rezone 3330 Port Washington

[2:31:21] Trustee McConchie: road and three three three four court washington road from general industrial zone to rural zone

[2:31:27] Voice 3: second any discussion call the vote all those in favor and that's carried okay uh

[2:31:35] Trustee McConchie: then

[2:31:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's the next one down yeah

[2:31:40] Trustee McConchie: the north pender island local trust meeting throws bylaw number

[2:31:43] Trustee McConchie: 224 said it is north pender island land use bylaw number 224 2022. be amended by adding words and

[2:31:49] Trustee McConchie: accessory buildings and structures to the list of permitted uses to site-specific general industrial

[2:31:54] Trustee McConchie: gia zone okay

[2:31:56] Voice 3: okay any discussion vote all those in favor carry okay kim

[2:32:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): did you want to do anything

[2:32:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): on four this was it yeah

[2:32:06] Voice 12: i just want to this is the property just to the right of or east of home

[2:32:11] Voice 12: hardware this is the one where we're actually amending the ocp designation and so this would

[2:32:18] Voice 12: be reversing that so it would we were going to amend it to industrial designation but that would

[2:32:24] Voice 12: revert that back to it would retain the rural designation thank you okay yeah

[2:32:31] Trustee McConchie: and i i'm

[2:32:33] Trustee McConchie: happy with that because they're i mean we've heard nothing but concerns at least from the neighbors

[2:32:38] Trustee McConchie: about making that too heavily an industrial area parking is sketchy and also the um the property

[2:32:47] Trustee McConchie: owners uh haven't indicated that they have a desire of this change so i know that the north

[2:32:53] Trustee McConchie: pender island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 223 said it was north pender island

[2:32:56] Trustee McConchie: official community plan bylaw number 171 2007 amendment number one 2021 be amended by deleting

[2:33:02] Trustee McConchie: plan number four

[2:33:03] Voice 3: second any discussion we'll call the vote all those in favor that's carried

[2:33:09] Voice 3: all righty

[2:33:11] Voice 3: um okay

[2:33:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): number five so

[2:33:15] Voice 12: we're entering into the the waste transfer um discussion here

[2:33:20] Voice 12: and the first one item five is referring to mcdonald farm where the existing um waste

[2:33:27] Voice 12: transfer site is at 4415 bedwell harbour road so bylaw 224 rezones the property from rural

[2:33:35] Voice 12: to site-specific general industrial zoning

[2:33:39] Voice 12: to allow those uses as specified

[2:33:42] Voice 12: in the current temporary use permit that they have.

[2:33:46] Voice 12: This motion would also allow,

[2:33:50] Voice 12: it would add accessory buildings and structures

[2:33:53] Voice 12: to those lists of permitted uses.

[2:33:55] Voice 12: So the LTC needs to decide,

[2:33:57] Voice 12: A, do you support waste transfer in that site?

[2:34:02] Voice 12: And if you do,

[2:34:02] Voice 12: would you support um assess rebuilding some structures on that site okay

[2:34:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): question about

[2:34:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): this when you say it changes the zoning for this site it's only the site we're talking about for

[2:34:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): the waste transfer sorry

[2:34:17] Voice 12: it's the portion of the property thank you i just want to make sure that

[2:34:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so

[2:34:23] Trustee McConchie: we but the trust committee would lose temporary permit um for that portion so it would

[2:34:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): no longer be a temporary use permit it would be a zoned area for waste management on the island

[2:34:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's correct okay but we already

[2:34:38] Voice 3: made that change so we're just confirming that and then

[2:34:42] Voice 3: yes

[2:34:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): oh this is just adding the accessories so

[2:34:46] Trustee McConchie: that's the question i have so do you what

[2:34:49] Trustee McConchie: are you building do you we're

[2:34:51] Voice 6: going to bring

[2:34:51] Trustee McConchie: power into the scales and

[2:34:53] Voice 6: stuff that you know

[2:34:54] Voice 6: right now we use a generator but

[2:34:56] Trustee McConchie: you're not you're not yeah so you don't need a bunch of

[2:34:59] Trustee McConchie: That's the only part of the intent.

[2:35:01] Trustee McConchie: Who

[2:35:02] Voice 6: knows what the future holds, Ben?

[2:35:03] Voice 6: We started off with one bag of garbage, and look where we are today.

[2:35:07] Trustee McConchie: So you may need accessory buildings to store garbage.

[2:35:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): But you're still constrained.

[2:35:13] Voice 6: Yeah, but you're

[2:35:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): still constrained on that side by the 25% area coverage.

[2:35:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): Like you can't.

[2:35:21] Voice 6: No,

[2:35:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): no, but that's what I'm saying.

[2:35:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): You can't cover the entire thing, 100% of the buildings, because we're still.

[2:35:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): So we still have that

[2:35:28] Voice 6: crazy.

[2:35:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): I totally get that. Okay. So right now, this is not saying

[2:35:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): we're changing what's in the draft bylaws just as it's not changing the zoning in the

[2:35:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): draft bylaws just adding the accessory building. Okay, I

[2:35:49] Trustee McConchie: moved in the North Peter Island Local

[2:35:50] Trustee McConchie: Trust Committee proposed by number 2297 is North Peter Island land use bylaw number 224

[2:35:54] Trustee McConchie: 2022 amendment number 1 2022 be amended by adding accessory building instructions to the list of

[2:35:59] Trustee McConchie: permitted uses site-specific general industrial ege stone okay

[2:36:02] Voice 3: i'm going to second that is there

[2:36:05] Voice 3: any discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor and that's carrying um

[2:36:13] Voice 12: the decision so the

[2:36:15] Voice 12: next page of list of possible motions um are regarding the property or portions of the

[2:36:21] Voice 12: property 3418 otter bay road so the first one is where the gulf excavating site is or the old batch

[2:36:28] Voice 12: plant so currently bylaw 224 re-zones it to excite specific community service use that only permits

[2:36:38] Voice 12: those three uses and the property owners have mentioned that they would also like the inclusion

[2:36:44] Voice 12: conclusion of the contractor yard use, which would be the current use of the property. So the LTC

[2:36:53] Voice 12: needs to make a couple decisions here. A, does it support waste transfer site in this property?

[2:37:00] Voice 12: Two, if it does, would you like to add contractor yard as an additional permitted use? And three,

[2:37:07] Voice 12: or would you like to rezone it so it retains the site-specific general industrial use,

[2:37:13] Voice 12: which I don't believe actually the property is actually being used for. So if you do revert it

[2:37:17] Voice 12: back to those site-specific uses, you may want to add contractor use to that list of uses as well,

[2:37:23] Voice 12: as stated in bylaw 103.

[2:37:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, question I have about contract VRT. Do you have in your head

[2:37:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): where the industrial pieces are in the new bylaw? For some reason, it doesn't jump out on the

[2:37:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): schedule a that says industrial uses um on your map no i'm looking at the definitions i need the

[2:37:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): i need the site specific definitions list that's what i'm looking for for industrial

[2:37:50] Voice 3: it's under general industrial page 50 page 50 and then there's 50

[2:37:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): general industrial i for some reason i just don't see that okay i got it okay okay thank you

[2:38:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you. So the question that I got asked today was about contractor yard, does that include, like right now, that property has some language in it about the storage of gravel or something like that.

[2:38:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): But I don't see that in our permitted uses here under industrial right now.

[2:38:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): So

[2:38:28] Voice 12: the contract of yard, it does have a definition in By-law

[2:38:32] Voice 12: 224, and it means the use of land, buildings, or structures for the storage of materials, equipment, and vehicles for a building, construction, landscaping business, or other trades.

[2:38:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): To me, that's not

[2:38:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): capturing the storage of gravel.

[2:38:51] Voice 12: So we could add that as an additional use if you want to be explicitly clear.

[2:38:56] Voice 12: I

[2:38:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): was asked by the landowner today to be very explicit about that so they don't lose their storage of gravel and sand or whatever the current language is.

[2:39:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): So if we can add that, then the landowner doesn't have any intention right now of doing waste management, but they're not opposed to it as long as they don't lose their current use of that land.

[2:39:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): so uh

[2:39:23] Trustee McConchie: i move that the gulf excavating old batch plant site be rezoned from industrial 2b to

[2:39:27] Trustee McConchie: community service q and only permit waste transfer facility and only permit i'm wondering if this

[2:39:36] Trustee McConchie: motion is blocked okay

[2:39:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): so is it is it the is

[2:39:40] Trustee McConchie: this correct paragraph

[2:39:41] Voice 12: down that was the sentence it's

[2:39:45] Voice 3: the draft motion there the

[2:39:46] Trustee McConchie: draft motion to add contract here excuse me yeah yeah

[2:39:50] Trustee McConchie: sorry if i

[2:39:51] Trustee McConchie: pardon me yes um that the north i i still move that the north federal local trust committee

[2:39:55] Trustee McConchie: proposed by the number 224 said it was north pen or island use pilot number 224 2022 be amended to

[2:39:59] Trustee McConchie: allow a contractor yard use on that portion of 3418 south otter bay road in addition to uses

[2:40:06] Trustee McConchie: as outlined in the community service queue zone before

[2:40:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): that kim did we need to add specific

[2:40:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): language about gravel and whatever it is the storage of gravel is that what the language is

[2:40:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the current bylaw yes okay so what would it be to be amended to allow a contractor yard

[2:40:26] Voice 12: and the storage of gravel yeah okay

[2:40:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): so ben's okay with that yeah

[2:40:30] Voice 12: it

[2:40:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): hasn't happened yet so

[2:40:33] Voice 19: so let

[2:40:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): me know when you got that and i will be good to go a second back

[2:40:44] Voice 19: all right

[2:40:44] Voice 11: seconded by

[2:40:45] Voice 3: christy morrison any discussion uh

[2:40:50] Trustee McConchie: no the only discussion we had

[2:40:52] Trustee McConchie: was that the property owners are are fully informed and know what's going on now and

[2:40:56] Trustee McConchie: and they're supporting it so and then it also opens up community options for commercial composting

[2:41:05] Trustee McConchie: recycling waste transfer facility if the property owners in the future see that that would help

[2:41:11] Trustee McConchie: serve the community and especially surveillance okay

[2:41:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): um the one other question that i actually

[2:41:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): had i see here one of us talking to jim about this was um do we have does that or like does

[2:41:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): composting as it's defined there includes the chipping of wood is that something that we have

[2:41:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): no definition for anywhere the

[2:41:34] Voice 12: storage of chipping of wood yeah there's no definition

[2:41:39] Voice 12: for commercial composting

[2:41:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so there's no definition for commercial composting that's

[2:41:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): correct

[2:41:47] Voice 12: okay

[2:41:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): so right now that's a gray area we may want to actually think about that because

[2:41:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): Because chipping of wood is not actually commercial composting technically, right?

[2:41:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): It's because what the question was, and this had been asked a couple of years ago by the

[2:42:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): fire chief, is it would be great to do a collection of debris across the island, but there's no

[2:42:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): place zoned on the island to be able to transport or zone or reorganize chipping of wood related

[2:42:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): to the collection and storage of debris.

[2:42:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): So if we went into the national parks and arranged with them to

[2:42:17] Voice 2: do a big

[2:42:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): clear out of

[2:42:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): their underbrush, there's nowhere on the island we have safely zoned to process that.

[2:42:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): so hold on one second there kim yeah when

[2:42:25] Voice 6: it comes to the commercial compost and there's a

[2:42:27] Voice 6: few things that have to be looked at when they did it on um

[2:42:38] yeah so

[2:42:39] Voice 6: right

[2:42:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): now i'm actually okay i'm remembering the whole conversation

[2:42:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): as you speak and i'm actually okay to not put that in right now because one of the things that

[2:42:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): we had talked about with the fire chief is why don't we just do that on temporary permit and

[2:42:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): we propose that as a community like there's ways we can like yeah so we might not want to do that

[2:43:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's a big open can right now like

[2:43:07] Voice 6: salt spring i think they have to get a permission i think

[2:43:09] Voice 6: they're allowed a couple days that's right

[2:43:11] Voice 6: and they have to find a head and do it the next thing

[2:43:14] Voice 6: when it comes to the composting is if you compost say the household stuff on the island and you put

[2:43:22] Voice 6: it on that industrial property the rules there are completely different than if that is done

[2:43:27] Voice 6: on agricultural land on agricultural land it can be mixed with the animal waste and used on the

[2:43:34] Voice 6: farm as soon as you put that onto a piece of industrial property the rules that will come

[2:43:38] Voice 6: in are so stringent yeah with the testing of it and back to the impervious surface that

[2:43:43] Voice 6: yeah i don't think this island could ever afford it right

[2:43:46] Voice 6: agricultural land one of the smaller

[2:43:49] Voice 6: units is probably the way to go for this island and

[2:43:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): i agree with that it's it won't be industrial

[2:43:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): land it'll be community service land but there still is a lot of rules and i hear you um i kind

[2:44:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): of just want to leave it for a public hearing we can always put out a public hearing but i kind of

[2:44:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to leave it for public hearing right now and we should have a longer conversation about

[2:44:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): composting there's a whole there's a conversation to be had kim did you want to add anything else

[2:44:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): to this because i think we're not sure where we're at on this no i think we're no

[2:44:19] Trustee McConchie: we're okay

[2:44:20] Voice 3: i

[2:44:20] Trustee McConchie: don't

[2:44:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): know who

[2:44:35] Trustee McConchie: would complain if we cleared the forest out and just did it

[2:44:38] Trustee McConchie: who's going to complain like i don't understand i

[2:44:40] Trustee McConchie: don't i don't understand someone would write

[2:44:42] Trustee McConchie: a bylaw complaint i can't believe you're cleaning the forest though no

[2:44:45] Voice 14: i'm not right

[2:44:45] Voice 14: yeah

[2:44:46] Trustee McConchie: like i don't understand why anyways it becomes the volume

[2:44:56] just one property alone yeah getting you know preparing for the house generates five six

[2:45:03] It's dump truck loads.

[2:45:06] Voice 6: You're going to need acres and acres to store what this is.

[2:45:10] Voice 6: So that might not be the best site.

[2:45:12] Trustee McConchie: It is what Mike's saying.

[2:45:13] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:45:13] Voice 3: Anyway, that's a longer conversation.

[2:45:15] Trustee McConchie: Great.

[2:45:15] Trustee McConchie: Okay.

[2:45:15] Trustee McConchie: Thank you.

[2:45:16] Trustee McConchie: So we have

[2:45:16] Voice 3: a motion to the floor.

[2:45:17] Voice 3: Any further discussion?

[2:45:18] Voice 3: No.

[2:45:18] Voice 3: I'll call the vote.

[2:45:19] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[2:45:20] Voice 3: Carried.

[2:45:22] Voice 3: Now the recycling people next to it.

[2:45:27] Voice 3: The last one there, number 230.

[2:45:29] Voice 12: For

[2:45:29] Trustee McConchie: the recycling people.

[2:45:30] Trustee McConchie: Yeah.

[2:45:30] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[2:45:30] Voice 12: yeah so this is one of the properties that currently has all the permitted uses in the general

[2:45:38] Voice 12: industrial zone and also those three additional uses waste transfer facility commercial composting

[2:45:46] Voice 12: and recycling and reuse facility so this is the one property that it right now has all the

[2:45:55] Voice 12: potential uses in the general industrial zone so

[2:45:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): we're removing this motion removes

[2:46:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): through only the following uses so it removes only those site-specific uses so really what

[2:46:07] Voice 12: i'm trying to say here is is this as it's written is it something that the ltc still supports those

[2:46:14] Voice 12: three waste transfer uses in addition to all the uses in the general industrial zone

[2:46:19] Voice 12: or is this property something that you perhaps want the same as the other portion of 3418 where

[2:46:26] Voice 12: you have those three waste transfer facility uses contractor yard and the storage of gravel

[2:46:33] Voice 12: and

[2:46:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): this is the one that is the recycling center right now

[2:46:38] Voice 12: next to the recycling center right next

[2:46:39] Voice 12: to it ronnie you stop right there

[2:46:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): so we did not originally improve approve the storage of gravel

[2:46:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): on that property no it was what

[2:46:50] Trustee McConchie: are the current permitted uses on that piece of property

[2:46:52] Trustee McConchie: plan stock deal in

[2:46:54] Voice 12: bylaw 10 103 the current land use bylaw yeah like

[2:47:02] Trustee McConchie: where we were adding

[2:47:03] Trustee McConchie: it's

[2:47:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): storage it's storage i think it's storage

[2:47:07] Trustee McConchie: i thought it was uh storage for

[2:47:09] Trustee McConchie: gravel storage no

[2:47:12] Voice 12: gravel storage is not or

[2:47:13] Trustee McConchie: not gravel excuse me i'm thinking of the wrong part

[2:47:15] Trustee McConchie: um i can't recall give

[2:47:17] Voice 12: me one minute i'll confirm i'm

[2:47:19] Trustee McConchie: sorry if i'm putting on the spot

[2:47:21] Trustee McConchie: no

[2:47:21] Voice 12: that's okay but

[2:47:22] Trustee McConchie: the the point the point we're having to just debate if i'm understanding

[2:47:25] Trustee McConchie: correctly is to also on top of permitted uses add uh the ability for them to have a waste transfer

[2:47:32] Trustee McConchie: facility commercial composting and recycling and a reuse facility so that's the debate right now

[2:47:39] Trustee McConchie: well she's basically

[2:47:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): trying to create multiple areas where these things can happen so we don't

[2:47:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): of a single property or two properties or whatever we're basically trying to create a couple of

[2:47:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): options so

[2:47:50] Voice 12: bylaw 103 the site-specific uses for this property is the processing fabricating

[2:47:59] Voice 12: assembly manufacturing servicing and repairing of goods materials and equipment

[2:48:06] Voice 12: Oh

[2:48:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): my gosh, really? I thought this was the one that had the storage building on it.

[2:48:14] Voice 3: It is.

[2:48:16] Voice 3: Yeah, it is.

[2:48:16] Voice 3: But it has all these uses.

[2:48:19] Voice 3: That's what's happening. That's what it's allowed to have.

[2:48:21] Voice 3: Oh, that's fascinating. Okay.

[2:48:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right. So that, so, okay. So from my perspective, the uses that are currently on it should stay on it.

[2:48:34] Voice 1: I

[2:48:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): don't want to add additional uses except waste transfer, commercial composting, recycling.

[2:48:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's personally my intent, is to add those additional uses to the existing current uses on there

[2:48:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): and keep that current use, but not add a whole bunch of other industrial uses.

[2:48:50] Voice 12: Would you want the addition of a contractor yard on that property as well?

[2:48:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): Contractor yard, maybe, but not the storage of gravel.

[2:49:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[2:49:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't know. What do you think, Ben?

[2:49:04] Trustee McConchie: i'm just starting to realize that we're essentially this policy is adopting what

[2:49:09] Trustee McConchie: justine stark suggested to begin with at the beginning of our term i just realized

[2:49:14] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[2:49:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): creating more about like well

[2:49:16] Trustee McConchie: they heard the her which is what they went and people went

[2:49:19] Trustee McConchie: through was just to spread it all out allow a lot of loss and so we've gone through all the

[2:49:24] Trustee McConchie: process again in this conclusion so it's really doing its due diligence yeah

[2:49:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i don't know that

[2:49:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): would want to add contractor yard to be honest because that seems like an additional use that

[2:49:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): if people want it on that thing it should be a rezoning so i would just want the existing use

[2:49:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's on it and those three uses for the community yeah

[2:49:46] Trustee McConchie: i don't understand how con i mean

[2:49:49] Trustee McConchie: having a contractor yard allows in the other property what is existing and then we're

[2:49:56] Trustee McConchie: creating another yeah i agree with that logic yeah

[2:49:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): so whatever the motion is that we have we keep the

[2:50:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): existing uses is site specific to it and add the three uses that we're trying to expand for the

[2:50:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): community yeah

[2:50:10] Voice 12: so it would be worded something along as that the bylaw would be amended

[2:50:16] Voice 12: to not permit general industrial uses in the general industrial d zone and to permit

[2:50:28] Voice 12: the uses as stated in bylaw 103 or something like that okay

[2:50:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): can can we yeah

[2:50:36] Voice 12: i'll write something i

[2:50:37] Voice 12: think it's better if i write it out and then we'll come back yeah let's come back to that one thank

[2:50:41] Voice 12: you okay

[2:50:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then these number nine are just correcting the mapping errors that we found the

[2:50:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): other day

[2:50:48] Voice 12: that's right there was a few mapping errors and there was a mission um for the driftwood

[2:50:53] Voice 12: center um just so you're not confused um it's just reinstating the fact that the driftwood

[2:50:59] Voice 12: center is currently permitted um 27 tourist accommodation units but it's actually bylaw

[2:51:05] Voice 12: 223 and 229 that would rezone that property to rental housing just wanted to make that clear

[2:51:12] Voice 12: so

[2:51:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): is that number two yes

[2:51:14] Voice 12: so i just yeah that's number two okay

[2:51:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): i want to actually have a

[2:51:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation separate about the driftwood and rental and just all of that but um can we do the

[2:51:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): otter bay property one because that's uh just a mapping error right i

[2:51:28] Trustee McConchie: moved that the north

[2:51:29] Trustee McConchie: pender island local trust proposed byline number 224 site of his north pender island land use

[2:51:32] Trustee McConchie: pilot number 224 2022 be amended by rezoning parcel c dd828241 section 17 and a portion of

[2:51:40] Trustee McConchie: of lot A, VIP 52864, section 17,

[2:51:43] Trustee McConchie: from commercial 2G, C2G to commercial 2F, C2F.

[2:51:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): And just a friendly correction,

[2:51:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): the text actually says 224, not 222, right?

[2:51:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): I think you read it out as 222.

[2:51:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): Oh, I'm sorry.

[2:51:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): No, that's okay.

[2:51:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): Just so that we're bylaw number 224.

[2:52:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): I second that.

[2:52:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right, any discussion?

[2:52:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): No, let's just-

[2:52:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): All those in favor, carry.

[2:52:06] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:52:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[2:52:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): And then is the one that is the error in Violet 224,

[2:52:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay, this is the second one.

[2:52:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so the Driftwood one is about community

[2:52:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): versus residential housing.

[2:52:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I've been thinking about this one from Thursday

[2:52:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): and what I would actually like to do

[2:52:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): is remove all site-specific zoning from that area.

[2:52:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): property and this is going to be popular not popular so like if we so and this is a question

[2:52:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): I have Kim so if we take off the site-specific zoning and it's just commercial zoned let's just

[2:52:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): try that for a second um would it then they would have to come for rezoning to ask for site-specific

[2:53:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): use of that property because right now there's like plans for campsites there's plans for this

[2:53:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): response for that what i need is i need an actual plan right like we've asked the other landowners

[2:53:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): that are up on the mckinnon like i need to not have random units assigned to things when there's

[2:53:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): no planning community conversation that's too super problematic so and and that would instigate

[2:53:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): the conversation more deeply with the landowner about like with the community about like no

[2:53:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): actually we want some of this to be rural residential and then in the rezoning to get

[2:53:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): the campsite or whatever they want they would have to have the full conversation about what the use

[2:53:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): of it is so can we do it in a way that it is commercially zoned but there's no site-specific

[2:53:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): zoning and therefore

[2:53:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): they have to ask for what the site-specific zoning they want is

[2:53:46] Voice 12: yeah i mean you could rezone it to commercial one and that would permit all the uses in commercial

[2:53:50] Voice 12: one well no

[2:53:52] Voice 12: but i'm asking you can't you

[2:53:54] Voice 12: can't rezone a property so it doesn't allow anything

[2:53:56] Voice 12: so it's stale

[2:53:57] Trustee McConchie: okay

[2:54:00] Voice 14: so yeah

[2:54:03] Trustee McConchie: there's a couple thoughts yeah we

[2:54:06] Trustee McConchie: get all the time asked as a

[2:54:08] Trustee McConchie: local trust committee what are you doing about affordable housing and as i've reiterated a

[2:54:13] Trustee McConchie: couple times we have plum tree court which has just needs money it's got the plans uh we have

[2:54:19] Trustee McConchie: the anglican church here is zoned for affordable housing but the anglican diocese doesn't necessarily

[2:54:24] Trustee McConchie: necessarily want to touch it right now because that it's a controversial topic because zoning

[2:54:28] Trustee McConchie: is there and then the other suggestion was when it was brought up was um that what about the drift

[2:54:34] Trustee McConchie: with let's do something about it now we've had a substantive conversation about it and some really

[2:54:38] Trustee McConchie: important salient points got brought up Mr sketch's point about that it being a larger conversation

[2:54:44] Trustee McConchie: with regards to the official Community plan and what's actually taking place at the driftwood

[2:54:48] Trustee McConchie: It needs to be a broad conversation and not necessarily a tacked on idea.

[2:54:53] Trustee McConchie: I think that's a very salient point.

[2:54:55] Trustee McConchie: The other point is that, you know, no matter what, the next trustees or whoever will have to deal with this no matter what.

[2:55:05] Trustee McConchie: Twenty seven commercial units behind the driftwood where it's notoriously poor water.

[2:55:11] Trustee McConchie: You know, what's what's the plan is kind of the question that needs to be asked of the community.

[2:55:16] Trustee McConchie: So, you know, I'd be happy to defer this to the next, this issue to the next term at this point.

[2:55:26] Trustee McConchie: But, yeah, sorry. Yeah, sure.

[2:55:32] Voice 17: We are the only property on campus for multifamily church.

[2:55:40] Voice 17: This property is not some that's not happening it would it was part of I was involved a little bit with the discussions.

[2:55:48] Voice 17: If this would have to be and that was part of the bigger plan is

[2:55:53] Trustee McConchie: that so as a clarification.

[2:55:55] Trustee McConchie: patients yeah oh i know but the surrounding lands i was under the honors

[2:56:00] Voice 17: this is not as far as i know that was one of the challenges that would have to take place

[2:56:08] Voice 17: if the diocese agreed right it would have to be so

[2:56:12] Trustee McConchie: is uh multi-family units uh part of community

[2:56:16] Trustee McConchie: service planners talk to them just i'm just getting an official okay just a second

[2:56:22] Voice 12: um it

[2:56:24] Voice 12: it would be the ocp designation would be changed to community service but the zone is a new rental

[2:56:30] Voice 12: housing zone okay

[2:56:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): so sorry the question is right now is the anglican hall and the anglican lands

[2:56:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): zoned for it's zoned community service or it allows for residential housing i believe that

[2:56:48] Voice 12: that property i would have to quickly look but i believe it only permits a church but i'll double

[2:56:52] Voice 12: double check okay

[2:56:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so we'll just get that like a hundred percent

[2:56:56] Trustee McConchie: it's different from the

[2:56:57] Trustee McConchie: housing society information that's a good point thanks for bringing it up yeah i was talking to

[2:57:02] Trustee McConchie: other people i guess and i've got to talk to you you're more knowledgeable than i am but i guess

[2:57:07] Trustee McConchie: the point okay so let's just do some reflection on this it's like we we've this is interesting

[2:57:14] Trustee McConchie: happening in the community we've we've increased double the density of magic lake to permit

[2:57:18] Trustee McConchie: permit basements, right?

[2:57:20] Trustee McConchie: Plum Tree Court isn't able to secure funding.

[2:57:23] Trustee McConchie: We're increasing the size of cottages.

[2:57:26] Trustee McConchie: We're doing a lot.

[2:57:27] Trustee McConchie: So this intent was to say,

[2:57:29] Trustee McConchie: hey, we're hearing you, like we should,

[2:57:31] Trustee McConchie: but I'm hearing from the property owners now,

[2:57:33] Trustee McConchie: they don't wanna, they would never touch

[2:57:36] Trustee McConchie: putting in affordable housing.

[2:57:39] Trustee McConchie: So it's kind of interesting.

[2:57:40] Trustee McConchie: It's like the government is doing things

[2:57:42] Trustee McConchie: or attempting to do things,

[2:57:44] Trustee McConchie: but it actually, we need other jurisdictions

[2:57:47] Trustee McConchie: and other factors to really step up here to the plate and it's a curious question of why it's not

[2:57:55] Trustee McConchie: happening okay no so that's I just wanted to reflect on that so I'd be happy to take this

[2:58:01] Trustee McConchie: one off if it's if it's going to work up the public hearing and unfocus us you know from other

[2:58:08] Trustee McConchie: issues yeah you know so

[2:58:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): I think I would like to take the residential away from here I have concerns

[2:58:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): about moving it to residential

[2:58:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): without some of the water-related conversations

[2:58:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): being had within the area.

[2:58:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): I also have a question about the tourist accommodations.

[2:58:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): Did we not include an analysis to question

[2:58:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): whether the 27 was appropriate or not

[2:58:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): for tourist conversations there?

[2:58:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): Because that seems high relative to the conversations

[2:58:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): we've had up on McKinnon.

[2:58:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): And so,

[2:58:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah.

[2:58:37] Voice 12: So that number of 27, it has not been reduced

[2:58:39] Voice 12: and there hasn't been a conversation to date

[2:58:42] Voice 12: but what that number should be if the LTC wants to reduce it.

[2:58:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): Because we've

[2:58:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): been talking about it going to rural residential.

[2:58:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's right.

[2:58:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. So, so I think that that is a conversation to be had because like,

[2:58:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): we've asked the owners up on McKinnon to have a plan presented to the

[2:58:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): community. If we're going to have differences,

[2:59:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): like numbers high like this,

[2:59:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): I really think that we should touch base with Doroth again.

[2:59:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): I know she hasn't been,

[2:59:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): but I need to see it for the public hearing if this number is to be kept

[2:59:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): this high. So the question, and unfortunately she's gone now,

[2:59:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I think there's, and I know she talked about campsite was there only campsite around here or was it actually building

[2:59:19] Trustee McConchie: tour as far as I understand plan of stock to only it's only someone for tourist accommodation units just 27.

[2:59:26] Trustee McConchie: And I don't know if that she would have to apply for a zoning change to get a campsite wouldn't that be under forestry.

[2:59:33] Voice 12: no it's c2 so you

[2:59:35] Voice 12: are permitted to campground in the c2 zone okay

[2:59:38] Trustee McConchie: so she's got that you know

[2:59:40] Trustee McConchie: she said why don't you're you'll be welcome to tack on uh multi-family housing as well like

[2:59:46] Trustee McConchie: okay she

[2:59:46] Trustee McConchie: wants it to be like a super zone yeah

[2:59:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): no so so so i i don't want to have the

[2:59:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): residential whatever we need to do to stop that is fine the second question i have is

[2:59:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): is if we revert it to the.

[3:00:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): commercial to site-specific zoning and it has the maximum number of tourist units is 27 that to me

[3:00:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): right now in my understanding is general it's not specific to a campsite and therefore um it

[3:00:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): potentially could be physical buildings like cabins and units up there right yes that was a

[3:00:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): question

[3:00:25] Voice 12: for me yeah

[3:00:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i put sorry so i personally given what has been said would

[3:00:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): like that i'd like a motion for that area to reflect that the commercial to zoning is campsite

[3:00:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): specific because that's what the owner has talked to us about that changes the nature of a whole

[3:00:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): bunch of buildings going up without a rezoning application for those buildings and then restricts

[3:00:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): that a little bit so she wants to come back with either residential or buildings or whatever then

[3:00:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): that has to be a plan that we see the the campsite is a much lighter touch than like for units than

[3:01:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): what we're talking about with tourist accommodations more generally but

[3:01:09] Voice 3: is that a

[3:01:10] Voice 3: down zoning probably

[3:01:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah but it's what she said she's doing on the property but they also

[3:01:17] Voice 3: specifically asked to retain the 27 units yeah so i

[3:01:23] Trustee McConchie: guess getting that's my point i just i i think

[3:01:25] Trustee McConchie: the the ocp discussion about the future of the driftwood needs to be a broader community

[3:01:31] Trustee McConchie: conversation i

[3:01:32] Voice 3: think i think you back another project i think at one point you were just

[3:01:37] Voice 3: talking about that whole corridor the fort browning through driftwood corridor is really

[3:01:43] Voice 3: a candidate for an area plan yes

[3:01:45] Trustee McConchie: and that's what mr sketch's point was so

[3:01:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): i completely agree with

[3:01:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): both of you in the absence of changing this to something that's a softer touch on the landscape

[3:01:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): have the right to build 27 600 square foot units just to be clear well

[3:01:59] Voice 3: i understand the risk

[3:02:00] Voice 3: but i think i think you know trying i think i think trusting mcconkey's correct it's like no

[3:02:07] Voice 3: matter what we do right now it's going to cause new questions during the total

[3:02:13] Voice 3: i agree

[3:02:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): and as a community specified sort of effort to do this reform i think we have to

[3:02:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): be consistent and on our consistency in the commercial too was to downs on a physical

[3:02:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): physical accommodation to what the landowner said they were doing on the property and the

[3:02:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): landowner here has specifically said that she's doing campsite so I'm I and I'm happy to have

[3:02:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): that conversation like extending conversation with her if we need to bring a motion forward

[3:02:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): before the I don't know if we can do that now at this point but anyway I'm concerned that we

[3:02:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): have 27 units that could potentially go in at 600 square feet each with no plan

[3:02:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah

[3:03:00] Trustee McConchie: absolutely one

[3:03:03] Voice 12: option i could provide is you could amend that draft motion i provided you

[3:03:08] Voice 12: at the very end where it says the maximum number of tourist units you could say um despite

[3:03:16] Voice 12: Despite Section 5.8.1, tourist accommodation use is not permitted in this zone or on this lot.

[3:03:29] Voice 12: And so what that would do is it would take away the tourist accommodation use, but it would allow all other uses of that zone.

[3:03:39] Voice 12: What are all other uses of that zone?

[3:03:41] Voice 12: The C2 zone, campground, accessory dwelling, accessory retails, so forth and so forth.

[3:03:47] Voice 12: It's on page 45 of the land use bylaw.

[3:03:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[3:03:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm for that more than I'm against it.

[3:03:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): But I know that this is a conversation to have with Jordan.

[3:03:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): So, yeah, because I think that gives a little bit more flexibility than specifying on the campsite.

[3:04:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): but it does i i'm worried about getting heavy intensity buildings with tourists

[3:04:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's my problem so we've just asked a whole bunch of like extra activity from other people

[3:04:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i think we're wildly consistent if we allow i

[3:04:20] Voice 12: should remind the ldc it's really important to

[3:04:23] Voice 12: make sure that you confirm density and use now so the

[3:04:27] Voice 12: bylaw is in that final format yeah that's

[3:04:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): right that's my concern exactly kim is that we have high density here without a larger

[3:04:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation and a plan in place that's my that's literally my my question yeah okay

[3:04:41] Voice 12: okay so if you

[3:04:42] Voice 12: don't make the decision today when would that decision be made and that yeah

[3:04:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i like what

[3:04:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're suggesting as an edit it allows for the campsite use it allows for some other flexibility

[3:04:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): of like that commercial to zone but if she wants to come back with a full-on like resort up there

[3:04:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): she has to actually ask for a specific rezoning for that you

[3:05:02] Trustee McConchie: mean at the public public hearing

[3:05:04] Trustee McConchie: no

[3:05:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): like like

[3:05:05] Trustee McConchie: in the future yeah

[3:05:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): well

[3:05:07] Trustee McConchie: we got to reduce the density of it so no

[3:05:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): but that would

[3:05:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): just be the density could be 27 units for a campsite but she can't have tourist accommodation

[3:05:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): as a specific use kim's suggestion is to pull tourist accommodation specifically out of the

[3:05:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): use for that area so that there can't be a resort built there without a plan and

[3:05:25] Voice 12: the density for

[3:05:26] Voice 12: campground is completely different i did do a calculation in a staff report a few months ago

[3:05:30] Voice 12: So the number of camp sites that property can have is much lower than 27.

[3:05:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): Oh, okay.

[3:05:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): So do we need to change the number to that appropriate number?

[3:05:41] Voice 12: Nope.

[3:05:42] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:05:42] Voice 12: The calculation for the number of campground sites

[3:05:45] Voice 12: is based on the lot.

[3:05:49] Voice 12: So what you need to do, as I mentioned, is you could read the draft motion,

[3:05:54] Voice 12: motion but delete the last section there and just say despite subsection 5.8.1 tourist accommodation

[3:06:05] Voice 12: use is not permitted on the lot so

[3:06:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): if you're like okay with that intent I'm going to read the first

[3:06:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): part of the motion and then I'm going to pause and Kim you're going to read that in because I

[3:06:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): don't can't remember it for some reason my brain is not going to keep that so where do I stop and

[3:06:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): you would start i stop at uh g amp or g commercial 2g c2g yeah

[3:06:34] Voice 12: so we should start with the otter bay

[3:06:35] Voice 12: property because i don't oh we did that sorry um you can start from the very beginning because

[3:06:40] Voice 12: there is an error on the map okay yeah okay

[3:06:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i'm going to start from item number two

[3:06:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay and i'm going to stop where i think i need to stop so if i need to stop are we going to tell

[3:06:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): to stop okay so that the north thunder

[3:06:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 224

[3:06:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): cited as north thunder island land use bylaw number 224 2022 be amended by rezoning the

[3:07:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): portion of lot 1 vip 59811 section 15 from commercial 2f c2f to commercial 2g c2g

[3:07:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): so and

[3:07:18] Voice 12: then do you

[3:07:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to do the rest yeah

[3:07:20] Voice 12: despite 5.8.1 tourist accommodation use is not

[3:07:25] Voice 12: permitted on the lot thank you

[3:07:28] Voice 12: and robin if you're listening i did just send you this motion so

[3:07:32] Voice 12: hopefully you can just cut and paste it into the minutes all right okay that's seconded

[3:07:37] Trustee McConchie: yeah i'll

[3:07:39] Trustee McConchie: second it yeah i'm just discussion yeah

[3:07:42] Trustee McConchie: well i mean that discussion is it's like a huge topic

[3:07:45] Trustee McConchie: I realized so and we're making a pretty serious change here you know the the idea of tourist

[3:07:54] Trustee McConchie: commercial up there I mean we've I don't know how if it's happening or not it doesn't strike

[3:08:02] Trustee McConchie: me as something that they're yeah intent

[3:08:05] Trustee McConchie: is it's just been sitting there for years and years and

[3:08:08] Trustee McConchie: years and years but that said it'd be nice to have a like I say I just I want this to go up

[3:08:14] Trustee McConchie: i want this to go to a process where folks come in and discuss the future plan of the driftwood

[3:08:19] so it doesn't

[3:08:21] Trustee McConchie: uh become an out of control island mature like you know you know there's some there's

[3:08:26] Trustee McConchie: some issues on our islands where because of because of planning you know i'm not specifically

[3:08:30] Trustee McConchie: pointing to kanji's but that's not that's not sure patrick's um i

[3:08:37] Voice 8: didn't put that

[3:08:37] Voice 8: but i'm

[3:08:40] Trustee McConchie: just saying yeah you

[3:08:41] Trustee McConchie: know i i definitely think uh we need to plan this area properly so

[3:08:46] Trustee McConchie: the concern i have is so we're basically deciding right now no more tourist commercial potential

[3:08:51] Trustee McConchie: no

[3:08:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): so what we're deciding

[3:08:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): right now from my perspective yeah is

[3:08:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): what we're doing is right

[3:08:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): now there is a large commercial potential there that exists that we

[3:09:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): have no plan for okay and

[3:09:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): And but it exists, they could put a plan into the CRD, we would not necessarily have a bigger

[3:09:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation here, because it already exists there. The intent that Dorothy has talked about

[3:09:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): there is to do a campground, we're not removing the campground potential. Okay. What we're saying

[3:09:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): is that we're removing the tourist accommodation potential, because we don't have a plan for that

[3:09:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): we don't have

[3:09:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): any intent that was named for that. And that is a pretty intense use up in that area.

[3:09:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): and exactly to your point if that use is supposed to is going to happen there we should be having a

[3:09:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): larger conversation about that as a community so

[3:09:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): basically it's removing that piece of it

[3:09:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): but still keeping the campground and other commercial use in that area

[3:09:45] Voice 19: it's not adding

[3:09:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): rural resident or it's not adding uh multi-family residential because that too would be a larger

[3:09:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): community conversation that we should have about the area so it's basically like limiting a little

[3:09:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): little bit more but not beyond what has been the telegraph use of that area the property owner

[3:10:04] Trustee McConchie: hardware management wants to keep tourist commercial but i have not yet received a logical

[3:10:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): exactly reason that's

[3:10:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): right so we are from an island perspective tightening up a little bit

[3:10:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the zoning in that area which could like dorothy could be like ferociously angry at us

[3:10:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): and you might have smart which is understandable if she had a use but she's never said that she

[3:10:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): had a use for that specifically so i don't know what to say to that so we'll we can have a

[3:10:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation with her and if it you know blows up within our face we could pull the entire that

[3:10:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): clause out you can't that's

[3:10:35] Trustee McConchie: the whole point no we can't

[3:10:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): increase the density but we oh we could

[3:10:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): oh i see what you're saying we could have it as higher density but we could go backwards is that

[3:10:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): right after the public hearing we

[3:10:46] Voice 3: can't increase the density to kim we can't if they they pass this

[3:10:51] Voice 3: motion that's on the floor right now we can't make an amendment to that after hearing we can't

[3:10:57] Voice 3: encode the density no

[3:10:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): so if it was higher if

[3:11:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): it included the motion as it is right now then like

[3:11:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): with the additional tourist accommodation then we could reduce it because we can reduce density

[3:11:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): after the public hearing no no

[3:11:13] Voice 12: i believe the only thing you can do is i would have to check is you

[3:11:16] Voice 12: You can increase density, but by notifying the property owner.

[3:11:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[3:11:22] Voice 12: I'm going to double check the wording on that though.

[3:11:24] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:11:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): So that's reasonable.

[3:11:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): Then we can do that change if it is an increase in density,

[3:11:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): which would be back to that 27 tourist units.

[3:11:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): But then all we would ask of Dorothy at that moment is exactly what we've

[3:11:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): asked of the other folks is just to give us the plan of like, what,

[3:11:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): what's the plan.

[3:11:42] Trustee McConchie: plan or stock deal would this motion potentially for the next set of trustees um help facilitate

[3:11:49] Trustee McConchie: a broader communication if they wanted to make a broader project if they wanted to uh pursue a

[3:11:55] Trustee McConchie: project absolutely absolutely and

[3:11:58] Voice 12: sorry i should i should amend what i said i got it backwards it's

[3:12:01] Voice 12: when you decrease density you can decrease density um so sorry you can you're not allowed

[3:12:07] Voice 12: to alter use or increase density or decrease density without land owner's consent so that's

[3:12:13] Voice 12: what it is you can't decrease density without a landowner's consent or increase

[3:12:19] Voice 12: or increase

[3:12:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): so but but at the public hearing if she comes back and says hey wait wait i need those tourist

[3:12:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): accommodations and we say oh that's great can you give us the plan she's the property owner with the

[3:12:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): and so we would ask for her consent to increase the density?

[3:12:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): No,

[3:12:38] Voice 12: you're not permitted to do that.

[3:12:39] Voice 12: And you're also adding the use, right?

[3:12:42] Voice 12: The use of tourist accommodation back to it,

[3:12:45] Voice 12: which you are not permitted to do.

[3:12:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so I'm totally misunderstanding what you're saying.

[3:12:49] Voice 12: So we're

[3:12:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): not permitted to do that after a public hearing?

[3:12:52] Voice 3: You would not be able to restore this back after public hearing.

[3:12:55] Voice 3: this

[3:12:56] Trustee McConchie: is the chance right now to decide what is happening there well you

[3:13:02] Trustee McConchie: can leave it the way i

[3:13:03] Trustee McConchie: look at it is you can leave it so we propose affordable housing to the property owner

[3:13:08] Trustee McConchie: property owner says never going to do it property owner then says i want a campsite i want to keep

[3:13:13] Trustee McConchie: my commercial zoning for tourists and sure throw in the rental housing right now we're at the

[3:13:20] Trustee McConchie: position right now where we this is our one chance to decrease the density for our bylaws

[3:13:27] Trustee McConchie: we can't after the fact we can't do

[3:13:29] Trustee McConchie: much after this date right and

[3:13:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): if we yeah i'm hearing you

[3:13:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): but if we decrease this to the what has been communicated by the landowner that they are

[3:13:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): going to do so that what what this motion just did is it reflects what she said she's actually

[3:13:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): going to do then if she wants to do something with the tourist accommodation or wants to do

[3:13:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): something with with residential housing then she has to come with a plan just

[3:13:52] Voice 3: to do a rezoning so

[3:13:53] Trustee McConchie: we're essentially zoning her the the property to reflect what she communicated to the ltc which is

[3:14:00] Voice 3: she

[3:14:00] Trustee McConchie: wants to put a campsite in that's

[3:14:02] Voice 3: what we're doing i

[3:14:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): mean that's one of the things that you've

[3:14:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): been doing

[3:14:05] Trustee McConchie: that's one of the things

[3:14:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): yes and there's other uses like in terms of buildings

[3:14:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): so the

[3:14:10] Trustee McConchie: logic so basically the logic all we have to debate is whether or not it's appropriate to

[3:14:15] Trustee McConchie: have 27 tourist accommodation units there yes or no and

[3:14:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): my my comment is the same as what it was

[3:14:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): on mckinney road that it's not appropriate unless we have a plan and there's no plan how long we've

[3:14:27] Trustee McConchie: been in dialogue with the harville management about this plan of stockdale do you know

[3:14:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): over two years

[3:14:33] Trustee McConchie: they've

[3:14:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): never said they wanted a plan for the tourist accommodations up there

[3:14:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): no

[3:14:37] Voice 12: they've they've always expressed a desire for a campground yeah so

[3:14:42] Voice 19: okay so as long as we've

[3:14:44] Trustee McConchie: cover teens and dot out our eyes uh i'm comfortable with your motion okay

[3:14:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay do we it was seconded

[3:14:54] Voice 3: yes i believe so

[3:14:59] Voice 3: i don't want to do this okay all right i'll call about all those in favor with you eric

[3:15:06] Voice 3: i

[3:15:08] Voice 12: just sent two additional motions so the ltc will have to pass to amend bylaw 223 and 229

[3:15:16] Voice 12: and that would delete that portion of the driftwood center from those bylaws because those

[3:15:23] Voice 12: two bylaws actually rezoned and redesignated that portion of the property to rental housing

[3:15:28] Voice 12: so it should

[3:15:29] Voice 12: be in your inbox should we

[3:15:31] Voice 3: do those last yeah

[3:15:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): let's can we keep going on this make

[3:15:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): sure we get this list and then you we have the other list you said and then we need to

[3:15:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): finish off yeah anything else so we're on 10 right now uh this is just what

[3:15:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah,

[3:15:47] Voice 12: so this was an edit. So the LTC has now allowed a community dock on Magic Lake. And so what this would do is just allow a like a small walkway on the abutting portion. So it allows a access to the dock.

[3:16:05] Voice 12: okay because currently um let's see uh anchor pads and abutments are only permitted

[3:16:13] Voice 12: for private docks or a wharf where they also need to be permitted for a community dock it's a

[3:16:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): technical edit okay

[3:16:21] Voice 12: very technical yeah we got it

[3:16:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): this

[3:16:24] Trustee McConchie: is number 10. yeah i

[3:16:25] Trustee McConchie: moved that the north

[3:16:26] Trustee McConchie: panoramic trust committee proposed file number 224 site of his north panoramic land use pilot

[3:16:30] Trustee McConchie: number 224 2022 be amended by adding the words or community after the word private in article 3.3.2b

[3:16:39] Voice 3: second any discussion all those in favor carry okay

[3:16:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): um the last one was just that fence thing

[3:16:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we asked for earlier so that you can put fences slightly closer on marine boundaries to

[3:16:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): allow for safety issues for people to build fences on the ocean side area so um i'll go ahead and

[3:17:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): move that the north pender island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 224 cited as

[3:17:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): north pender island land use bylaw 224 2022 be amended by deleting the word fences from

[3:17:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): subsection 3.3.1 and by adding the following new article to subsection 3.3.2 fences

[3:17:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): is there a second yeah

[3:17:22] Trustee McConchie: my second discussion

[3:17:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): no this was just like something asked for just to

[3:17:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): clarify safety issues related it was the one structural issue that was around marine areas

[3:17:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so we're good all right um

[3:17:33] Voice 3: i'll call them both and all those in favor not scary okay

[3:17:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): all right so can we also had a list that you sent um although that was just the list of motions

[3:17:47] Voice 12: there's

[3:17:47] Trustee McConchie: the new motion for property next to recycling is that

[3:17:50] Voice 12: right yes that's right we

[3:17:51] Voice 12: have that motion and then we need the two motions for the driftwood center so i think there's only

[3:17:56] Voice 12: three more motions to go that i have okay

[3:17:58] Trustee McConchie: i move that the north pender island this is

[3:18:01] Trustee McConchie: regards to the property beside the recycle depot i move that the north pender island

[3:18:05] Trustee McConchie: local trust committee throws byline number 224 said it is north pender island land use byline

[3:18:08] Trustee McConchie: number 224 2022 be amended to amend general industrial d gd zone to only permit the following

[3:18:15] Trustee McConchie: uses waste waste or waste transfer facility composting facility recycling or reuse facility

[3:18:23] Trustee McConchie: the processing fabricating assembly manufacturing servicing and repairing of goods materials and

[3:18:28] Trustee McConchie: equipment and accessory building structures great

[3:18:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): thank you i second that all right so that's the

[3:18:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): intent okay any discussion now thank you for that care

[3:18:40] Voice 1: patrick yes um which i just lost where you

[3:18:44] Voice 1: guys are which which um motion that was uh

[3:18:47] Voice 3: kim sent the motion at 3 16.

[3:18:50] Voice 12: okay it's called new

[3:18:53] Voice 12: motion for property and

[3:18:54] Voice 12: i just re-sent it to you robin

[3:18:55] Voice 1: okay perfect okay thanks so much right robin

[3:18:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'm deeply impressed that you're keeping up with it

[3:19:00] Voice 3: all right uh any further discussion i'll call

[3:19:08] Voice 3: the vote all those in favor and that's carried uh

[3:19:12] Trustee McConchie: and then there's a motion uh here in this other

[3:19:18] Trustee McConchie: email this is uh

[3:19:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): 329 so so robin let us know that you're good yeah this is uh kim's email 329 on

[3:19:27] Voice 19: driftwood all right i

[3:19:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): just want to make sure that rama's good she caught the last one i think she's

[3:19:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay at

[3:19:38] Voice 1: 329 driftwood yeah i got it yeah

[3:19:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): and you caught the last

[3:19:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): one you got the last one

[3:19:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): thank you okay

[3:19:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): all right i'm

[3:19:52] Voice 12: actually just going to amend those two that i sent you for driftwood

[3:19:54] Voice 12: because one of them is incorrect i apologize so i'm going to resend those to you right now

[3:20:01] Voice 12: so if i could just have a few minutes to quickly put that together

[3:20:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah that sounds good okay while you're doing

[3:20:07] Voice 12: that haven't we have we

[3:20:08] Trustee McConchie: missed anything yeah i

[3:20:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): know i wanted to just look at my like list 10 000 notes here um okay so i do think that we missed

[3:20:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): something i've

[3:20:16] Trustee McConchie: got it here this is the discussion that the north pender island local trust committee

[3:20:21] Trustee McConchie: proposed bylaw number 224 cited as north pender island use bylaw number 224 2022 the amended sub

[3:20:27] Trustee McConchie: subsection 3.4.2 by deleting words in a zone and replacing it with in a rural rural comprehensive

[3:20:35] Trustee McConchie: rural comprehensive to an agricultural zones yes

[3:20:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): yes that was important that

[3:20:41] Voice 3: was the one that was

[3:20:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): about

[3:20:42] Voice 3: the buildings but it's not a rural comprehensive too but the other one that I

[3:20:47] Voice 3: mentioned was the definitions of agritourism in 3.13 yeah

[3:20:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): I think that one I have here I

[3:20:55] Voice 3: held that mark

[3:20:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): still but this is separate so i still i got

[3:20:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): that one left here okay so let's just

[3:21:00] Voice 3: let's wait

[3:21:00] Trustee McConchie: i just i just made a motion so i'm going

[3:21:02] Trustee McConchie: to say as read in the email of 3 to 2 42

[3:21:06] Trustee McConchie: compared for my staff member planner all right

[3:21:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): sorry gotcha okay and i'm going to second that

[3:21:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): motion robin let us know what if you got that one oh

[3:21:15] Voice 1: i'm sorry which email was that one i'm sorry

[3:21:16] Voice 1: the last email

[3:21:18] Trustee McConchie: it's about 242 242

[3:21:21] Voice 1: okay okay yeah i got that one okay

[3:21:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i'm seconding that motion

[3:21:26] Voice 3: all right any discussion so

[3:21:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): this motion is is allowing us to specify those buildings

[3:21:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): inside it narrows the what where agriculture sorry back up because i don't have the motion in front

[3:21:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): um here it is okay thank you um i just want to make sure we're understanding what we're doing

[3:21:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the real zone okay so it's specifying where the different sizes of accessory buildings go

[3:21:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): so that we don't end up with large accessory buildings

[3:21:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): in our two zones.

[3:22:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): That's what this is doing.

[3:22:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): So it's basically saying that instead of agriculture,

[3:22:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): generally it's saying these specific zones

[3:22:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): have these bigger buildings,

[3:22:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): this smaller zone we already did has the smaller building.

[3:22:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, that's helpful.

[3:22:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you very much for that, Kim.

[3:22:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right, any further discussion?

[3:22:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): All the vote, all those in favor, carry.

[3:22:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so there was a piece that was missing potentially

[3:22:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): potentially that the words. So we passed the motion around agriculture and agritourism accommodation not approved or permitted, but there was also something in Joyce's submissions.

[3:22:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): submissions. What was that? It's just a wasp. I like

[3:22:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): how it comes to the only person

[3:22:45] Trustee McConchie: allergic to it. It's on its way to you.

[3:22:50] Trustee McConchie: I'll let you know if it's okay.

[3:22:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. Where was I? Okay. So talking

[3:22:56] Trustee McConchie: about Joyce's.

[3:22:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah. So Joyce's submission had the piece about the bylaw 224, which we already dealt with around agriculture and agritourism. But there was also a question

[3:23:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): about the words accessory agritourism and agritourist accommodation in proposed bylaw 224

[3:23:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): 5.2.1 be deleted and proposed bylaw 229 section 2.2 be deleted and Kim I just don't know that we

[3:23:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): did that piece of it yeah

[3:23:28] Voice 12: so the first one you mentioned we did do with motion number three

[3:23:31] Voice 12: so we did remove those agritourism and agritourist accommodation use um in terms of bylaw 229 i

[3:23:39] Voice 12: believe we've um let's see i believe we dealt with that as well let me just double check here

[3:23:50] Voice 12: yeah

[3:23:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): so

[3:24:00] Voice 12: we we did sorry it looks like there's an error in my part we made a there was a motion

[3:24:05] Voice 12: motion passed um in number six that states that we amended bylaw oh pardon me oh I see

[3:24:13] Voice 12: no we did

[3:24:14] Voice 12: do it it's motion number two under number six so

[3:24:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): there is a typo on that motion which is obviously

[3:24:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): a non-intended typo that we just need to make sure is corrected it says that the bylaw number 229

[3:24:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): cited as North Pender Island land use bylaw 224 that obviously should say 229 no that's actually

[3:24:35] Voice 12: That's actually correct because bylaw 224 will be adopted before 229.

[3:24:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, as long as that, okay, so you're telling me that that addresses the deletion of agritourism and...

[3:24:52] Voice 12: So that deletes agriculture as a principal use in the RR2 zone.

[3:25:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah so what i'm saying uh be amended by deleting subsections oh yeah it does okay

[3:25:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah you're right you're right i got it i see it okay okay that's

[3:25:13] Voice 3: all related to that

[3:25:19] Trustee McConchie: i moved that the north pender as indicated robin uh in the email planner stock bill from 335

[3:25:27] Trustee McConchie: i moved that the north pender island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 223

[3:25:31] Trustee McConchie: set it as north pender island official community plan bylaw number 171 2007 amendment number one

[3:25:35] Trustee McConchie: 2021 be amended by deleting plan number five um

[3:25:41] Voice 3: which one are we using this is the drift

[3:25:43] Voice 3: where this is cleaning and this would be doing the other oh i didn't oh here i see it thank you

[3:25:50] Voice 3: thank you thank you yep okay i second that any discussion i'll call the vote then all those in

[3:25:57] Voice 3: favor that's carried i

[3:26:00] Trustee McConchie: move that the north pender island local trust committee proposed bylaw number

[3:26:02] Trustee McConchie: 229 say there's north banner island land use file number 224 2022 amendment number one 2022

[3:26:07] Trustee McConchie: be amended by deleting sub session 2.1.4 and by deleting plan number three i second that

[3:26:13] Voice 3: new discussion all about all those in favor i was going to say before just this the area

[3:26:20] Voice 3: plan concept i think in our last meeting we need to look carefully at the project lists

[3:26:27] Voice 3: and so forth and make sure this is sort of the advice forward to the next trustee yeah

[3:26:32] Voice 3: that we captured things like an area plan

[3:26:35] Voice 3: and that facility and things like that.

[3:26:39] Voice 3: So that we're indicating

[3:26:40] Voice 3: we can't make decisions for them,

[3:26:43] Voice 3: but it's putting that information forward.

[3:26:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): Robin, can you make a note

[3:26:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): just on our agenda for the September meeting

[3:26:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we include,

[3:26:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): we consider a project

[3:26:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): for the Driftwood area properties

[3:26:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): for an area plan

[3:26:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): or something of that nature.

[3:26:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you.

[3:27:00] Voice 1: I'm sorry.

[3:27:01] Voice 1: can um project of the driftwood properties for

[3:27:05] Voice 3: the agenda for us to bring forward on the agenda

[3:27:07] Voice 3: for the next meeting so projects

[3:27:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): list yeah so the language would be an area plan

[3:27:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): for the driftwood

[3:27:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): center area

[3:27:16] Voice 1: plan for the gesture center okay thank

[3:27:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): you okay there were two technical pieces

[3:27:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): that i saw here that were brought up to me one was that on the map for parcel vip 59 811 which was

[3:27:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): see who's over here that there might be an error on the map this one so if you might say question

[3:27:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): and I just wanted to get verified so plan number three yeah so plan number three two two nine this

[3:27:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): is the driftwood um map so the area that's the subject property for 2f c2f is just that upper

[3:28:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): area um and that is just one lot right but the specified area that was zoned for that commercial

[3:28:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): is just the back of that lot the west side of that lot yep okay so that's accurate that it's

[3:28:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): one lot but it's only a portion of that lot that's right okay thank

[3:28:26] Voice 12: you and this plan has already

[3:28:27] Voice 12: this plan is deleted now from pilot 229 yeah okay

[3:28:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): thank you and then the other thing that was brought

[3:28:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): up to me was um can you just i can check if i can remember the page number can we just check that

[3:28:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): for the rr1 that it's not named as magic lake estates because it's magic lake estates has a

[3:28:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): legal meaning and we just want to make sure because matt well because there's a magic lake

[3:28:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): estates own homeowners association but not all of the properties in rr1 are in the magic lakes

[3:29:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): lake estates thing so we just

[3:29:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): should be careful about how we're naming the rr1 zone there's no

[3:29:09] Voice 12: reference to magic lake estates the zone is

[3:29:11] Voice 12: just rural residential one zone perfect

[3:29:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): thank you very

[3:29:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): much okay that

[3:29:15] Voice 12: was the other thing i

[3:29:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): would ask to check and i think that was it um we're a little

[3:29:24] Trustee McConchie: off our exterior

[3:29:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): lighting there's a question about exterior lighting yeah

[3:29:29] Trustee McConchie: do we add a bylaw that has

[3:29:30] Trustee McConchie: to do with uh uh designers trust getting the business of enforcing lighting or

[3:29:35] Voice 3: do we put

[3:29:36] Voice 3: that forward to the project solicitors because it could be a broader conversation about nice

[3:29:40] Voice 3: skies and lighting can be exciting

[3:29:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): i have

[3:29:45] Trustee McConchie: a bunch of concerns over this so

[3:29:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): can we just

[3:29:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): robin can we add the um

[3:29:50] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[3:29:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): can we add the um

[3:29:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): can you just put a note for our agenda in september to bring

[3:30:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): forward the lighting motion from Joyce's actually I think it was Karen's submission or Karen's email

[3:30:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): Karen Bell um onto the September agenda regarding

[3:30:14] Voice 1: lighting regarding

[3:30:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): lighting please

[3:30:16] Voice 12: and if you

[3:30:16] Voice 12: could send that submission to me because I don't believe I've received it okay

[3:30:20] Trustee McConchie: I'll read it out

[3:30:21] Trustee McConchie: Kim no exterior artificial lighting may be installed that casts light directly into

[3:30:28] Trustee McConchie: to neighbor's window or unreasonably disrupts the peace,

[3:30:31] Trustee McConchie: rest, enjoyment, comfort, or convenience

[3:30:33] Trustee McConchie: of the neighboring property's occupants.

[3:30:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'll send it to you, can't I?

[3:30:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): I can't write that fast.

[3:30:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): No, that's okay.

[3:30:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): I just sent it to you.

[3:30:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[3:30:42] Voice 12: So I just want to make a note that there,

[3:30:44] Voice 12: I understand that there was a request for a black lining,

[3:30:48] Voice 12: which we can discuss at another time,

[3:30:51] Voice 12: but the amendments made today,

[3:30:53] Voice 12: day, I can make black line versions for bylaw 224, 223, and 229. So I can do that if time permits. I

[3:31:03] Voice 12: don't know what's going to happen on Monday, but the larger discussion of somehow doing a black

[3:31:08] Voice 12: line version for bylaw 224 in relation to 103, they are two completely different formatted bylaws,

[3:31:16] Voice 12: and it would take a lot of time and effort to do that. The LTC can give direction to staff to do

[3:31:22] Voice 12: that but it would take a lot of staff's time to reference you know all changes in bylaw 224

[3:31:30] Voice 12: you know in where they were made to 103 okay

[3:31:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): so let me just make sure i'm understanding because

[3:31:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): there's actually three different things that i had notes about that were asked for one was

[3:31:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): um like that black line version of the compiled new bylaw as so all changes that have been made

[3:31:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): in a single document so people can read it and say this is what would be the bylaws that's what

[3:31:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're saying can be

[3:31:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): done it's my understanding uh

[3:31:58] Voice 12: it would be no it would be very difficult

[3:32:01] Voice 12: because the formatting of bylaw 224 is completely different than 103. okay

[3:32:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): so it's not an easy

[3:32:08] Voice 12: process of just blacklining it i would have to actually go and it would be referencing

[3:32:14] Voice 12: each section so

[3:32:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): it wouldn't be blacklining i

[3:32:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): might be using the word blacklining wrong so

[3:32:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I'm not using the word blacklining, I don't think.

[3:32:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): But let me just say, my understanding of what we need to be able to communicate to the community, there's a couple things.

[3:32:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): One, and I need personally, I need a single document like you provided us today, like this one, right, that is the proposed bylaw, all the changes made.

[3:32:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): It's all in one spot, right?

[3:32:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): So that's the new proposed bylaw.

[3:32:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): You're

[3:32:45] Voice 12: saying you can do that?

[3:32:46] Voice 12: I can do it from the amendments made today.

[3:32:49] Voice 12: Yes, that's easy enough to do.

[3:32:50] Voice 12: yeah that's helpful the

[3:32:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): other thing that was asked for is what i think you're referencing

[3:32:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): which is like a comparison document to what

[3:32:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): the original bylaw is and what the changes are

[3:33:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): and there's two things that were asked about for that one that was asked was what are the

[3:33:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): um changes in the base bylaw like that the base bylaw changed a month ago or a couple months ago

[3:33:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then it would be good for people to be able to see what those changes were and then

[3:33:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): the other thing that was asked is what are the changes we have made as a local trust committee

[3:33:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): that are conceptual changes is that accurate okay so i understand that that both of those things

[3:33:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): potentially is quite a bit of work i am happy to sit down and like go through that in a conversation

[3:33:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): with anybody who's interested to do that um and potentially we could have that kind of

[3:33:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation with anybody if they want i don't know what your time is to be able to have that but

[3:33:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): that i think is a smaller group of people that potentially want that um so i don't know can we

[3:33:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): have a conversation about that because that's a big ask i think i understand why

[3:33:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): people want that

[3:34:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): but i also kind of just want to be like here's the synthesis of what where we've come to as a

[3:34:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): community which is this document

[3:34:10] Trustee McConchie: is it not practice to do this normally from a planning

[3:34:14] Trustee McConchie: perspective like i mean i get it as a lot of work but is that how most how do other municipalities

[3:34:19] Trustee McConchie: how it is to deal with that like

[3:34:22] Voice 12: yeah i i can't answer that question i mean from what i've done

[3:34:26] Voice 12: in previous times yes you know i do my best to to do a black line version whenever possible it

[3:34:33] Voice 12: does take a lot of time but this is the first time i've done a complete rewrite or using a

[3:34:38] Voice 12: new template of a bylaw um and i have been doing black line versions up to i think oh gosh i don't

[3:34:45] Voice 12: when the last black line version was i think it was earlier this year of bylaw 103 but when we

[3:34:50] Voice 12: switched to the form in that new format to 224 it was too difficult to make all those changes so

[3:34:57] Voice 12: in terms of other local governments i can't speak to that other ltcs yes if staff have the time and

[3:35:03] Voice 12: the ability to do it we do our best to do it um but in as i mentioned the circumstance it got very

[3:35:09] Voice 12: very very difficult to follow through no

[3:35:12] Voice 3: no

[3:35:14] Trustee McConchie: that's okay i was just going to say that

[3:35:15] Trustee McConchie: it's awesome i'm a community member to take the time to read and really give a hoot the the the

[3:35:21] Trustee McConchie: intent is to just let people know what's going on and what changes are happening right maybe if

[3:35:29] Trustee McConchie: there are specific questions about well this has changed can we then ask the staff hey can you look

[3:35:36] Trustee McConchie: into what it used to look like if there's specific change like on a case-by-case basis

[3:35:42] Trustee McConchie: i mean i i don't know like realistically i don't want to put stat i mean i i don't know what

[3:35:50] Trustee McConchie: how the staff spends time during their day um but like i don't want to be burdensome on

[3:35:57] Trustee McConchie: tonight

[3:35:57] Voice 3: i i understand could there be an introductory doctrine

[3:36:01] Voice 3: to sort of tell us that story.

[3:36:04] Voice 3: This is a new, this is a reformatted version,

[3:36:08] Voice 3: and then highlight the key changes that were made

[3:36:13] Voice 3: with just references to like page numbers.

[3:36:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, and actually I wanna like honor what was said too.

[3:36:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): Like it wasn't just that it was reformatted.

[3:36:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): It was that there was potentially meaningful changes

[3:36:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the template for the base bylaw

[3:36:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): that are somewhat sliding under the radar because of that so i think that we do need to have

[3:36:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): an overview kind of document that highlights the areas so not just so that people can

[3:36:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): hopefully come across the areas they want to investigate but like that

[3:36:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): pulling people in on saying here's an area that changed like and this is the kind of changes

[3:36:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah,

[3:36:55] Voice 12: what it could do is, I mean, I find that the most interesting part of the bylaw is the general regulations for that first part or even the definitions. I could at least try to do some type of black line version or referencing for that section, because that's the more difficult section to follow.

[3:37:13] Voice 12: In terms of each zone, it's pretty easy to compare the two zones, you know, the agriculture zone from 103 compared to the agriculture zone to 224. That's easier to do. So what I could do is perhaps try to get something done for at least the beginning part of the land use bylaw, the general regulations.

[3:37:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): compromise yeah i feel like that's a good compromise i know that they're the person

[3:37:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): who asked the question is still here okay and i and i understand don't get me wrong i understand

[3:37:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): the ideal situation is we have a perfect like of all three versions of that but i also want us to

[3:37:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): be pragmatic about what is the intent with that and the intent is to be able to understand the

[3:37:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): changes and understand especially where there's been a lot of changes that might be impactful

[3:37:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): impactful and what those things are so we can come out and critique um

[3:38:02] Voice 12: i agree so i can do that

[3:38:05] Voice 12: i'm happy to do that you don't need a motion for that at all um happy to take that on and i'll do

[3:38:12] Voice 12: what i can in light of what could happen on monday we shall see but whenever um you know time allows

[3:38:19] Voice 12: house i'll i'll work on that

[3:38:21] Voice 3: okay is there anything else that you forgot um okay we forgot

[3:38:32] Trustee McConchie: what with regards to what no

[3:38:33] Voice 3: any motions any any action did anything fall through that a good

[3:38:37] Trustee McConchie: solid one here today uh

[3:38:39] Voice 3: i'm

[3:38:43] Trustee McConchie: i'm well all we need to do is schedule the public hearing i believe at

[3:38:46] Trustee McConchie: this point now correct

[3:38:47] Voice 3: we're going to hold i think we should hold a week because we may be delayed

[3:38:53] Voice 3: okay

[3:38:54] Voice 6: so

[3:38:55] Voice 12: do you guys

[3:38:55] Voice 6: want to sorry i

[3:38:56] Voice 12: do want to yeah i mean you you could scheduled i i don't

[3:39:00] Voice 12: think it'd be wait there's no point in scheduling one now let's see how the week unfolds but

[3:39:04] Voice 12: would the ltc want these bylaws to come back to you before actually scheduling a public hearing

[3:39:11] Voice 12: like are you wanting to wait until your september 29th meeting or is your preference perhaps to

[3:39:17] Trustee McConchie: can we not schedule another ltc meeting yeah that's that's a question

[3:39:22] Trustee McConchie: i had for the beginning

[3:39:23] Trustee McConchie: of september yeah

[3:39:24] Voice 12: we could schedule an additional special meeting it could even be over zoom if

[3:39:28] Voice 12: that's easier for the ltc and then we can staff can present the amended bylaws i

[3:39:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): would like to

[3:39:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): to do that because I really do think that we need the completely amended bylaws all synthesized

[3:39:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): into the community one more time so people can like look at them think about it and we have an

[3:39:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): opportunity to tweak and think about it it is not a huge amount of time we're starting to run up

[3:39:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): against things but I've been toying back and forth about like what is what are the pros and cons

[3:39:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): about like continuing to move forward in a like measured way versus having this completely

[3:40:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): bridge the election boundary. I understand the idea of having this as an election issue. I also

[3:40:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): understand that there's a lot of people's time and effort in our community and their livelihoods

[3:40:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): tied into this right now. And I kind of want to have some resolution. If the new council wants

[3:40:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): to change other things, that's their prerogative. But I kind of feel like we need to finish things.

[3:40:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I'm

[3:40:29] Trustee McConchie: looking for scheduling

[3:40:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): an additional meeting.

[3:40:30] Trustee McConchie: Okay, well, wouldn't it be useful

[3:40:32] Trustee McConchie: anyways in the process to schedule something for like september 1st which is a thursday i will be

[3:40:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): flying back that day but

[3:40:39] Trustee McConchie: then there's the labor day weekend so

[3:40:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): i can't do it that day but i just

[3:40:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): have to look at

[3:40:44] Voice 12: um my advice would be

[3:40:47] Voice 12: to get put forward a motion to schedule special meeting to

[3:40:51] Voice 12: review the three bylaws you don't have to have to give a specific date right now let's wait to

[3:40:57] Voice 12: see what happens after monday in terms of yeah

[3:41:00] Trustee McConchie: the civil service right yeah okay so

[3:41:03] Trustee McConchie: okay so let's i make a motion to um schedule a special local trust committee meeting uh to review

[3:41:13] Trustee McConchie: the bylaws i

[3:41:14] Voice 3: second that robin i assume you got that one that was straightforward any discussion

[3:41:19] Voice 3: call the vote all those in favor carried and if you do it late in the

[3:41:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): afternoon on that day

[3:41:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's fine for the first if it ends up being working and that is really timing wise that's

[3:41:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): the right timing like we should do that um public hearing notice my understanding is public hearing

[3:41:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): notice is a four-week issue is that accurate yeah

[3:41:42] Voice 12: yeah it's it's about three to four weeks

[3:41:44] Voice 12: so

[3:41:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): we could on the first if that's the meeting time that we end up with we could schedule a

[3:41:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): public hearing and send notice for the 29th and

[3:41:52] Trustee McConchie: also if if we want to send anything in the mail

[3:41:56] Trustee McConchie: on the first or whatever the proposed date that's when we could do that

[3:42:01] Trustee McConchie: what do you guys yeah i think that's

[3:42:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): right i really think it has to be the first and if i

[3:42:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): have to end up driving up late on that i'll

[3:42:08] Voice 12: be in seattle

[3:42:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): on 31st and i have to end up driving

[3:42:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): up and taking the other period it's what

[3:42:12] Voice 12: it is okay is your preference an in-person meeting

[3:42:16] Voice 12: or by zoom i

[3:42:18] Voice 3: think doesn't matter zoom would be sufficient i would say zoom would make it easier

[3:42:22] Voice 3: for everybody for the special meeting okay

[3:42:25] Voice 12: thank you i think we're getting pretty close

[3:42:28] Voice 12: all

[3:42:29] Voice 3: right any further business then uh

[3:42:36] Trustee McConchie: today's agenda yeah

[3:42:37] Voice 3: we don't have a town hall oh we don't

[3:42:40] Trustee McConchie: have a town hall

[3:42:40] Voice 3: do we it's

[3:42:41] Trustee McConchie: just town hall 3.1.3 i

[3:42:44] Voice 3: guess we do have a town hall shucks see i didn't

[3:42:46] Voice 3: have the agenda uh just

[3:42:48] Trustee McConchie: in purposes of uh maybe you could remind folks just to keep it under the

[3:42:52] Trustee McConchie: minute yeah let's

[3:42:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): keep it short right now hey

[3:42:55] Voice 3: short

[3:42:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): and remember that we just scheduled another

[3:43:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): meeting so if it's something you want to like change

[3:43:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): that can come into the other meeting

[3:43:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay all

[3:43:05] Voice 6: right yeah yes

[3:43:07] Voice 6: sir it's just a quick one and michael might actually be able to answer it

[3:43:10] Voice 6: but the artist trust did leave something up in standpoint in regards to somebody's lighting on

[3:43:15] Voice 6: the path oh they

[3:43:17] Voice 6: did so they had some we were at the meeting when they were discussing what was it

[3:43:20] Voice 6: see i thought

[3:43:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): there was something in our biology

[3:43:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah there's something

[3:43:24] Voice 6: well they built a hot tub

[3:43:25] Voice 6: down a little close to the water and somebody made a complaint and then one of the other neighbors

[3:43:30] Voice 6: made a complaint about the lake and they went down there and they basically they're you know

[3:43:38] Voice 6: see

[3:43:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): i thought that but i couldn't find that anywhere in our house

[3:43:44] Voice 19: okay

[3:43:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): good to know we'll check it out okay thank you any

[3:43:48] Trustee McConchie: other comments yes

[3:43:50] Voice 3: anything else

[3:43:51] Voice 3: if we

[3:43:52] Voice 14: worry about oh michael we didn't wear you out

[3:43:57] Voice 3: yes

[3:43:58] Voice 4: all

[3:43:59] Voice 11: right um

[3:44:01] Voice 3: i

[3:44:02] Voice 4: i didn't hear a motion regarding the for washington shared that property

[3:44:07] Voice 4: i don't know whether you dealt with it

[3:44:09] Voice 4: so

[3:44:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): the

[3:44:12] Trustee McConchie: applicant has to apply themselves

[3:44:15] Trustee McConchie: because

[3:44:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): the

[3:44:17] Trustee McConchie: logic was that it is that zoning did not address community needs yeah that's right

[3:44:24] Voice 4: And my other comment regarding the proposed changes within the ALR is that the, if you read section 46 of the Agricultural Land Commission Act,

[3:44:38] Voice 4: you will see that for land in the ALR, then bottles must not contravene orders of the ALC, and that's the crucial point.

[3:44:47] Voice 4: So if you adopt the changes in the ALR for land in the ALR,

[3:44:54] Voice 4: they have no, and I quote the act, no force or effect.

[3:44:58] Voice 4: But that only comes into play if the issue goes to court.

[3:45:03] Voice 4: But the Audit's Trust zoning sits there.

[3:45:07] Voice 4: And there are contraventions.

[3:45:08] Voice 4: The landowner assumes they have the permission

[3:45:11] Voice 4: to go to Audit's Trust permission.

[3:45:13] Voice 4: And they don't in law, but it doesn't matter

[3:45:16] Voice 4: and look at the court and the use goes ahead it's just a mess so it's it's it's important for the

[3:45:22] Voice 4: island's trust not to assign permission contrary to an order of the alc okay

[3:45:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): and just like my

[3:45:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): response is this is obviously a long-standing issue but my my response to this kim is just that

[3:45:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): that I really want to see that ALR document, like, clearly.

[3:45:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, but like, that needs to actually be at our next meeting

[3:45:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): in our document package if we can.

[3:45:50] Voice 4: But the question is, is actually one of the titles?

[3:45:53] Voice 4: Is it in the ALR or not?

[3:45:54] Voice 4: Yes or no?

[3:45:55] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:45:56] Voice 4: Then section 46 applies.

[3:45:58] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:46:00] Voice 19: All right.

[3:46:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right.

[3:46:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): So

[3:46:01] Voice 4: anybody else in need

[3:46:02] Voice 5: to address the trust committee?

[3:46:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): Oh, good.

[3:46:04] Voice 11: I'm going to say

[3:46:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): thank you for all staying with us.

[3:46:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): thoughts and feedback like everybody obviously we're thinking about all the stuff so yeah i make

[3:46:10] Trustee McConchie: a motion to adjourn

[3:46:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): second all those

[3:46:13] Voice 3: in favor we're adjourned thank you everyone thank you

[3:46:16] Voice 3: for being here

[3:46:22] Voice 3: so thank you guys thank you bye