Islands Trust Council regular meeting, August 29, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee Patrick: oh is uh oops sorry we'll hit that again i would like to welcome andrew fall for joining us

[0:00:07] Trustee Patrick: today the electoral area director thank you for being here and um we have a number of staff meeting

[0:00:14] Trustee Patrick: as staff that are with us today we have heather cowher regional planning manager she's here with

[0:00:18] Trustee Patrick: us in the room and uh joining us uh uh virtually is our minute taker uh karen uh vote uh thank you

[0:00:28] Trustee Patrick: for being here karen and uh i know william schulder will be joining us at some point that's

[0:00:34] Trustee Patrick: the only thing there will i know william was going to be coming on board at some point i can either

[0:00:39] Trustee Patrick: be paying attention to letting him in too um and we have uh will cutting him in the background that's

[0:00:45] Trustee Patrick: been helping uh get this meeting up and running thank you so much will for for doing that so this

[0:00:52] Trustee Patrick: meeting is being live streamed and recorded and it'll be available the recording will be available

[0:00:58] Trustee Patrick: available in a few days. This is an official form for your local trust committee to make

[0:01:04] Trustee Patrick: decisions about land use planning and other relevant business. Despite the fact that some

[0:01:10] Trustee Patrick: of our employees may be coming from their very own homes, this is a place of employment

[0:01:17] Trustee Patrick: and our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace, which I know everyone

[0:01:22] Trustee Patrick: will be. So we have an agenda before us. Is there any additions or changes that need to

[0:01:27] Trustee Patrick: made to the agenda i don't see any peter any no i'm seeing a shake the head from peter too

[0:01:34] Trustee Patrick: so can we approve the agenda through general consent i'm hearing yes okay that's fantastic

[0:01:41] Trustee Patrick: so the rise of report i believe the rising report was just that we had approved the minutes from the

[0:01:47] Trustee Patrick: april 26th meeting and now we're on to

[0:01:52] Voice 8: reports so trustees would like to go first i'll go um

[0:02:00] Voice 6: not an awful lot to report uh since our last meeting in june

[0:02:07] Voice 6: in terms of trust business because we haven't really gotten anything

[0:02:12] Voice 6: done in the meantime but i will mention that we did have a an event uh plaque unveiling at

[0:02:21] Voice 6: squiddy bay park with um representatives from several of our local first nations

[0:02:27] Voice 4: and uh so

[0:02:29] Voice 4: So it was a made-on-the-skete reconciliation event,

[0:02:33] Voice 4: which was well-attended and I think well-appreciated

[0:02:36] Voice 4: by all the folks that showed up.

[0:02:39] Voice 4: And yeah, so we had a rainy day at the plaque ceremony,

[0:02:46] Voice 4: and then we had a nice little feast together

[0:02:50] Voice 4: at our community hall.

[0:02:51] Voice 4: It was a nice event, yeah.

[0:02:54] Trustee Patrick: That's great.

[0:02:56] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:02:58] Trustee Patrick: peter or trustee johnson will be formed i'm sorry i'm just talking to you

[0:03:05] Voice 2: some visits to clam gardens were planned at that scooty bay event but the weather was not amenable

[0:03:11] Voice 2: to it so uh later in august i said 12th or 15th of august there was an event in false bay

[0:03:18] Voice 2: to which people returned both from and then squalicum i know and possibly from a couple

[0:03:27] Voice 2: Peter

[0:03:28] Trustee Patrick: you're going to need to speak directly to the microphone you can

[0:03:31] Voice 16: come in and out

[0:03:31] Trustee Patrick: no he's

[0:03:32] Voice 16: we can barely hear him like he's

[0:03:34] Voice 8: not even here he's putting it on

[0:03:37] Voice 8: oh no can't hear you is

[0:03:47] Voice 2: that better there

[0:03:49] Voice 8: let's give that a try

[0:03:50] Voice 2: okay um there were supposed to be

[0:03:58] Trustee Patrick: I think

[0:04:00] Trustee Patrick: it's picking

[0:04:00] Voice 2: up your main

[0:04:01] Trustee Patrick: microphone as soon as you turn your face it doesn't hear

[0:04:04] Voice 2: you it's on my headset I don't know

[0:04:08] Trustee Patrick: it's still

[0:04:09] Voice 2: behaving there was

[0:04:11] Voice 2: the speaker okay perfect okay there was some there were worse to be at the plaque unveiling

[0:04:19] Voice 2: event visits to some glam gardens but the weather didn't allow it so in early mid-august there was

[0:04:27] Voice 2: a another event in false bay to which uh qualicum nation and la amen nation members and possibly

[0:04:33] Voice 2: others came there were probably 20 first nations people of all ages from actually four was the

[0:04:40] Voice 2: youngest up to elders and about 50 or 60 Liskiti people came and some that not related to Liskiti

[0:04:50] Voice 2: but just visiting. Very successful, very well attended and the First Nations people expressed

[0:04:57] Voice 2: a lot of appreciation for us inviting them and showing them evidence of what they've always known

[0:05:04] Voice 2: is that their ancestors lived here and lived here

[0:05:07] Voice 2: and used the land for, well, since time immemorial

[0:05:11] Voice 2: until relatively recently.

[0:05:14] Voice 2: And I think that's really all there,

[0:05:16] Voice 2: you know, there has been nothing other,

[0:05:18] Voice 2: I'll mention this possibly again

[0:05:20] Voice 2: when we get to the fees bylaw.

[0:05:21] Voice 2: I published a bunch of information on the fees bylaw

[0:05:25] Voice 2: and directed people to it and asked them to let me

[0:05:29] Voice 2: or the local trust committee know what they thought

[0:05:31] Voice 2: about their proposed increases in fees.

[0:05:34] Voice 2: and I have heard virtually nothing.

[0:05:36] Voice 2: So either people are too busy to bother

[0:05:39] Voice 2: or they don't really care.

[0:05:40] Voice 2: I don't know which, but that's it for now.

[0:05:43] Trustee Patrick: All right, thank you very much.

[0:05:45] Trustee Patrick: From my report, we did have a trust council meeting

[0:05:49] Trustee Patrick: shortly after we had last been here

[0:05:51] Trustee Patrick: as a local trust committee on Liskety.

[0:05:54] Trustee Patrick: Probably one of the most substantial items

[0:05:58] Trustee Patrick: from the June trust council

[0:05:59] Trustee Patrick: was that trust council did pass a resolution

[0:06:02] Trustee Patrick: requesting the province to do a review

[0:06:07] Trustee Patrick: of the Islands Trust mandate governance and structure.

[0:06:11] Trustee Patrick: Still no word from the province yet

[0:06:13] Trustee Patrick: on whether it will do such review,

[0:06:16] Trustee Patrick: but it was probably one of the better debates

[0:06:19] Trustee Patrick: I think we ever had at Press Council this term

[0:06:24] Trustee Patrick: on the issue, so it was very good.

[0:06:26] Trustee Patrick: The next Press Council is going to be September 20th

[0:06:29] Trustee Patrick: to the 22nd.

[0:06:30] Trustee Patrick: It too will be a virtual meeting,

[0:06:32] Trustee Patrick: so you'll be able to attend. At this point, the details are not out, but I would assume the town

[0:06:37] Trustee Patrick: hall will be on the 20th, the evening of the 20th, highly likely. So please keep an eye out for the

[0:06:45] Trustee Patrick: details for that meeting coming up. And that's my report. And now I do know Andrew. Paul, over to you.

[0:06:55] Voice 1: Okay, thank you. Is my volume okay? Yes.

[0:06:57] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[0:06:58] Voice 1: so early June the Vancouver Island Regional Library opened a new branch in Sooke officially.

[0:07:05] Voice 1: This is a stunning building design, it's very beautiful, right in the heart of the municipality.

[0:07:10] Voice 1: Unfortunately the board also recognized that increased construction costs likely mean that

[0:07:15] Voice 1: new future branches will be built to more modest design, so if you want to see a nice

[0:07:19] Voice 1: architecturally designed library go to Sooke. In the future that will be more box-like because the

[0:07:25] Voice 1: The priority is actually to have the libraries, not the architecture, but it is beautiful.

[0:07:30] Voice 1: In mid-June, the QRD CAO, Al Radke, and myself had a call with the Connected Coast people, Strathcona Regional District CAO, is the CAO of that,

[0:07:41] Voice 1: to discuss issues and opportunities for connecting Liskiti with the fiber optic system.

[0:07:46] Voice 1: There's a cable coming down from Powell River to connect rural coastal communities.

[0:07:50] Voice 1: Connected Coast has also been in discussion with the Liskiti Internet Access Society.

[0:07:55] Voice 1: At this point, we are waiting to hear more about funding potential from the federal and provincial governments.

[0:08:00] Voice 1: Once we know about funding possibilities, then there will be public consultation and more details will come forward.

[0:08:07] Voice 1: In early July, the Coastal Invasive Species Committee, on which I also sit, adopted an updated strategic plan.

[0:08:13] Voice 1: The Coastal ISC covers pretty much all of Vancouver Island and Quethet Regional District in their area other than maybe parts of Greater Victoria.

[0:08:23] Voice 1: So they've got an updated strategic plan and they focus on the most noxious weeds.

[0:08:28] Voice 1: So they're not dealing with with broom or dandelions.

[0:08:31] Voice 1: They're dealing with knotweed and giant hogweed and things like this.

[0:08:35] Voice 1: So that's the focus of that group.

[0:08:37] Voice 1: group uh i'll mention briefly that the plaque on july 15th at um squiddy bay was uh has been

[0:08:44] Voice 1: already announced uh that that project was started by was was initiated by a resident tanis who felt

[0:08:51] Voice 1: there should be something else to balance the older plaque that is down there that only mentions

[0:08:56] Voice 1: the spanish quote discovery unquote of the island and the naming of luskidi after a spanish naval

[0:09:02] Voice 1: naval officer. The new plaque is quite simple and references the island as Hwe Eite, which means

[0:09:08] Voice 1: U-tree in Tlatelman. One of the First Nations persons who attended told a story about how the

[0:09:14] Voice 1: island is a toppled U-tree. The project started with discussions, then a reconciliation committee

[0:09:21] Voice 1: of the Liskiti Community Association, on which I was a member. A local resident donated and moved

[0:09:26] Voice 1: a beautiful granite boulder to the site, a nice big natural boulder. BC Parks was very supportive

[0:09:32] Voice 1: of and funded some of the costs. A local archaeologist and Simon Fraser University

[0:09:37] Voice 1: professor, Dr. Dana Lepofsky, became involved and helped invite and coordinate with the many

[0:09:42] Voice 1: First Nations, including Liskiti. That included Liskiti as part of their home. At least 20 people

[0:09:48] Voice 1: traveled to Liskiti from Qualicum, Comox, Wabakum, and Tlatelanman First Nations to join something

[0:09:54] Voice 1: like 70 locals down at the park. So it was a very big event. And afterwards, we held a potluck

[0:09:59] Voice 1: at the community hall and shared many words of cooperation, respect, and healing. It was a

[0:10:03] Voice 1: very moving moment for many and a positive step on our path of reconciliation. The next item is

[0:10:10] Voice 1: the Mesquitee Island has, for the past month, there's been a survey on the fire department

[0:10:16] Voice 1: dispatch options, and that closes today. So we'll learn more about what the community wants on that.

[0:10:21] Voice 1: It may not happen until after the election because we're heading into that season.

[0:10:27] Voice 1: season. And finally, last Friday, the fire hazard rating on Lisketea a week and a half ago rose to

[0:10:34] Voice 1: extreme, and all high-risk activities have been halted for now, even though we look like we have

[0:10:38] Voice 1: rain in the forecast. And fortunately, nearly every resident is well aware of the risk, so

[0:10:44] Voice 1: compliance is quite high, but we're under that watch for the fire department. Thank you.

[0:10:49] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much, Andrew. All right. Well, this is now your turn to talk to us

[0:10:57] Trustee Patrick: as i know you will be respectful and you'll talk about issues not people and director comments to

[0:11:03] Trustee Patrick: tim and i and peter's listening in as well so would anyone like to speak to us

[0:11:12] Voice 8: that's it's cool

[0:11:13] Voice 16: okay tom

[0:11:15] Trustee Patrick: is just the bell

[0:11:16] Voice 16: taker tom so at the last meeting i asked a question and

[0:11:21] Voice 16: really didn't get a chance for anybody to give me an answer i just kind of said what i thought so i

[0:11:26] Voice 16: i would like to know if it is the opinion of the chair and of the islands trust council that the

[0:11:34] Voice 16: term grandfather in is a racist phrase or not is it or isn't it in your opinion i

[0:11:42] Trustee Patrick: thought we spoke

[0:11:43] Trustee Patrick: about that at length at the last meeting if i recall correctly and

[0:11:47] Voice 16: we did but we got no answer

[0:11:48] Voice 16: peter explained where it came from no

[0:11:51] Trustee Patrick: i understand from the time before but i thought we had talked

[0:11:53] Trustee Patrick: about generally it is many people use the term i can tell you many people use the term i can tell

[0:12:02] Trustee Patrick: you in the various meetings that i chair both public staff and fellow trustees use the term

[0:12:10] Trustee Patrick: grandfathering because it's been used for so long

[0:12:14] Voice 16: is it

[0:12:15] Voice 16: considered a racist term or not

[0:12:17] Trustee Patrick: i personally don't consider it a racist term it's

[0:12:20] Voice 16: not a relationship to

[0:12:21] Trustee Patrick: me to

[0:12:23] Voice 16: the trust council and

[0:12:24] Voice 16: to the liskiti trust committee is it considered a racist term we

[0:12:28] Trustee Patrick: have no policies stating otherwise

[0:12:31] Trustee Patrick: i don't know how you feel tim i think we had talked about it

[0:12:34] Voice 6: i i until uh uh our previous chair

[0:12:39] Voice 6: um uh mentioned that it was considered a racist term i had never heard that

[0:12:46] Voice 6: before um and uh i never considered that it might be um i understand that there's a i mean what i've

[0:12:57] Voice 6: learned since is that there's a difference between the canadian context and the context in the u.s

[0:13:03] Voice 6: in the deep south from the u.s right correct correct and so um so i i think that's why

[0:13:11] Voice 6: it it can be considered a racist term in the context of the the deep south of the u.s

[0:13:19] Voice 6: and i don't think it's generally my understanding is it generally hasn't been considered a racist

[0:13:24] Voice 6: term in canada and then further to that i would just say that this is a situation where i would

[0:13:34] Voice 6: probably uh try not to use that term myself just in an abundance of respect and caution that it

[0:13:45] Voice 6: wasn't um you know inadvertently causing anyone distress or or upset by using it um so do you

[0:13:54] Voice 6: consider legal non

[0:13:55] Voice 6: -conforming means in terms of our planning and our laws legal non-conforming

[0:14:00] Voice 6: is essentially the same thing.

[0:14:02] Voice 6: So my tendency, as I say,

[0:14:05] Voice 6: just an abundance of caution and respect.

[0:14:09] Voice 6: I don't think we have a lot of high likelihood

[0:14:13] Voice 6: of having people from the deep South of the US

[0:14:19] Voice 6: participating in our meetings,

[0:14:21] Voice 6: but nonetheless, I just think I would tend to try

[0:14:24] Voice 6: and use legal non-conforming as a...

[0:14:28] Voice 6: So do you consider it to be a racist term

[0:14:30] Voice 6: or no well i consider that it's in in the context as i just said the contact it can be considered

[0:14:38] Voice 6: racist in in some places and in some contexts i would say that that's what i have learned

[0:14:43] Voice 6: since uh this came up so i wouldn't say if you said it i wouldn't say you were a racist

[0:14:50] Voice 6: but i personally would try and use legal non-conforming just to avoid potentially

[0:14:58] Voice 6: potentially offending or upsetting someone that's all anyway

[0:15:02] Trustee Patrick: can we move on to uh if you have other

[0:15:04] Trustee Patrick: questions can we move on to other topics

[0:15:06] Voice 16: i'll go on that's really not as you know what where that

[0:15:10] Voice 16: term originated i i we

[0:15:12] Trustee Patrick: like so we talked about it

[0:15:13] Voice 16: extensively the last meeting it had to do with

[0:15:16] Voice 16: they were trying to exclude free slaves from the vote i

[0:15:19] Trustee Patrick: i understand that we did discuss it last

[0:15:22] Trustee Patrick: last time.

[0:15:22] Voice 16: Okay, so is it the policy of the Islands Trust that a member of the public has

[0:15:31] Voice 16: to ask permission before they record a meeting?

[0:15:36] Trustee Patrick: That one I thought we discussed too. Yes,

[0:15:40] Trustee Patrick: I had seen something on that recently, but it's generally, it is polite to ask,

[0:15:48] Trustee Patrick: and that generally what I've seen is we ask other people in the room how they feel about it,

[0:15:53] Trustee Patrick: But this is being recorded, and it is going to be provided to everyone.

[0:15:59] Voice 16: So it is the policy that you have to ask, that I have to ask permission, or isn't it?

[0:16:04] Trustee Patrick: I am not quoting policy.

[0:16:06] Trustee Patrick: I'm quoting what I have seen cases of people make requests.

[0:16:13] Trustee Patrick: That's how it was dealt with.

[0:16:14] Trustee Patrick: I am not aware of policy, or maybe there is.

[0:16:18] Trustee Patrick: I'm not aware of any.

[0:16:20] Voice 16: okay and as the chair of this local trust committee are you going to require that the

[0:16:26] Voice 16: member of the public ask permission before they record a meeting

[0:16:29] Trustee Patrick: it's nice to have that happen

[0:16:31] Trustee Patrick: and then to have the conversation with people in the room how they feel about it part of this is

[0:16:38] Trustee Patrick: about we want this space to be comfortable we want all people to feel that they can speak

[0:16:47] Trustee Patrick: on any topic they want to talk on to us and have that freedom and so that's why to me it's just a

[0:16:53] Trustee Patrick: courtesy to ask how people feel someone may be uncomfortable and it may affect their ability

[0:16:58] Trustee Patrick: to be able to speak to us so it would be a polite thing to do to ask how people feel in the room

[0:17:05] Voice 16: so if i

[0:17:06] Trustee Patrick: like i tell people i'm recording this meeting is being we make that announcement

[0:17:09] Trustee Patrick: right at the beginning of the meeting so

[0:17:11] Voice 16: if i'm uncomfortable with you

[0:17:12] Voice 16: You're recording the meeting.

[0:17:14] Voice 16: Can I request that you don't record what I say?

[0:17:18] Trustee Patrick: Well, that's,

[0:17:20] Trustee Patrick: those are interesting questions

[0:17:23] Trustee Patrick: on how as we go forward in this meeting,

[0:17:25] Trustee Patrick: but the meeting is announced that we are recording.

[0:17:28] Trustee Patrick: You don't

[0:17:29] Voice 16: want to double standard here.

[0:17:30] Trustee Patrick: Okay, Tom, do you have other items

[0:17:32] Trustee Patrick: that you'd like to talk to us about?

[0:17:33] Voice 16: It's tough to get an answer to these things, isn't it?

[0:17:36] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:17:42] Voice 16: I've heard from several members of the public

[0:17:45] Voice 16: that there's going to be a bylaw prohibiting tree cutting on the ski is that true that's a that's

[0:17:55] Voice 6: no i'm

[0:17:56] Voice 16: happy to speak

[0:17:57] Voice 6: i'm happy to speak to this because i i did uh when this came up on the social

[0:18:02] Voice 6: media accounts on in february or something i did dig out all the relevant information so the

[0:18:09] Voice 6: trust council has requested tree cutting regulatory authority um from the province

[0:18:17] Voice 6: for local trust committees so what that means is that any tree cutting regulations would be

[0:18:26] Voice 6: the purview of the local trust committee um there was there had been some discussion because there

[0:18:34] Voice 6: was an one of the drafts of the policy statement um also talked about regulating tree cutting

[0:18:43] Voice 6: and so there was concern that there might be a regulatory uh you know trust-wide regulatory thing

[0:18:51] Voice 6: but in fact if you go back and you look at what the trust council sent to the province it

[0:18:56] Voice 6: specifically states local trust committees so that means that the ask is for the province to allow

[0:19:04] Voice 6: local trust committees to do that we

[0:19:07] Trustee Patrick: don't have the authority today to regulate tree cutting

[0:19:10] Trustee Patrick: and the province isn't keen on giving us the same authorities that municipalities have it

[0:19:17] Trustee Patrick: would have to be something custom within our act so it's a long time before we even have the

[0:19:23] Trustee Patrick: authority and then if we were to be granted the authority then the local trust committee

[0:19:29] Trustee Patrick: would have to strike bylaws in conversation with its community to enact that authority.

[0:19:35] Trustee Patrick: But we do not have that authority today.

[0:19:38] Voice 16: And how would that affect First Nations tree cutting?

[0:19:43] Trustee Patrick: That would be a conversation that would happen in the future if we had that authority.

[0:19:48] Trustee Patrick: And

[0:19:48] Voice 4: that may actually be part of, well I'm certain that that would be part of the province's

[0:19:54] Voice 4: um hesitancy

[0:19:57] Voice 6: to grant that authority to local trust committees because there's so many different

[0:20:02] Voice 6: moving parts right there's the first nations piece there's other forestry there's uh the

[0:20:10] Voice 6: private and managed forest land um program so my feeling and i could be totally wrong my feeling is

[0:20:18] Voice 6: that we're probably not going to hear anything back from the province anytime soon about this

[0:20:23] Voice 6: because they would have to figure out how all of those work together and um

[0:20:30] Voice 4: and i just i think they

[0:20:33] Voice 4: just don't want to open that kind of worms that's that would be my guess heather

[0:20:36] Voice 18: did you have

[0:20:37] Voice 18: something yeah just just to clarify tree cutting bylaws um affect private property um not permanent

[0:20:45] Voice 18: and so first nations who have woodlot licenses on crown land would not be affected by tree cutting

[0:20:52] Voice 18: bylaws. It's only property owners.

[0:20:58] Voice 16: They're not eminent. They're not eminent. Yeah. Okay. And

[0:21:01] Voice 16: then I have one final question. In the July, local newspaper, trustee Johnson said that

[0:21:11] Voice 16: if it is desired, we could hold a community meeting before then, but probably only one of

[0:21:16] Voice 16: our trustees could attend it because two of us form a quorum. So does this mean that the two

[0:21:23] Voice 16: Two of the members of the local trustees can't come to a public meeting together?

[0:21:29] Trustee Patrick: Well, I don't know the context of the quote that you're looking at, Tim.

[0:21:33] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[0:21:34] Voice 6: just for clarity, it seems a bit awkward, but two trustees cannot basically have a meeting that is about local trust committee business.

[0:21:50] Voice 6: business unless unless

[0:21:53] Voice 6: it's an official meeting of the local trust committee so for example there

[0:21:57] Voice 6: was a meeting in June that at the hall that a number I'm pretty sure you were there a bunch

[0:22:05] Voice 6: of people were there so both Peter and I were there however anything that was about the local

[0:22:14] Voice 6: trust committee business I basically made it clear that I was going to go to listen

[0:22:18] Voice 6: so that we could avoid potential issues with that.

[0:22:24] Voice 6: So you can come to the meeting, but you can't discuss stuff?

[0:22:27] Voice 6: We can't discuss local trust committee business.

[0:22:29] Voice 6: If it's not local trust committee business, we can discuss it.

[0:22:32] Voice 6: But if it

[0:22:33] Voice 6: is, then we can't.

[0:22:34] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:22:35] Voice 16: And then I have a suggestion.

[0:22:39] Voice 16: The Canadian J, the Whiskey Jack,

[0:22:44] Voice 16: there's a movement, a national movement,

[0:22:46] Voice 16: to make that word declared the national bird of canada because it's in every province and etc etc

[0:22:53] Voice 16: would it be appropriate for the local trust committee to endorse that

[0:22:58] Voice 16: position you

[0:22:59] Trustee Patrick: can always make a request well

[0:23:03] Voice 16: i'm making a request you

[0:23:04] Trustee Patrick: may need a bit more

[0:23:06] Trustee Patrick: information if

[0:23:09] Voice 6: i major would i suggest thomas if you send the local trust committee um a letter

[0:23:15] Voice 6: or something sort of outlining because this is the first I've heard of it I don't know if you

[0:23:19] Voice 6: guys do anything about it

[0:23:20] Voice 6: but a local uh outlining you know what the what the idea is and asking for

[0:23:26] Voice 6: us to endorse it I don't know if I

[0:23:28] Voice 6: give you a book you I don't

[0:23:31] Voice 16: know if you're going to get all

[0:23:31] Voice 16: three

[0:23:31] Voice 6: trustees to read a book but if you do if you send it to the local trust if you send it to

[0:23:38] Voice 6: the local trust committee then it will pop up as as an item on our agenda and we'll have had an

[0:23:44] Voice 6: opportunity to become more aware of what the program is about.

[0:23:48] Trustee Patrick: Is that it?

[0:23:50] Voice 16: Very political, the answers I've gotten today. Thank you.

[0:23:52] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Tom. All right, David.

[0:23:56] Trustee Patrick: As

[0:23:56] Voice 14: you already know, I've sent you an email and my concern is with regards to

[0:24:05] Voice 14: to the statements in the recommendations being put forward.

[0:24:15] Voice 14: Most of them, as far as I could see,

[0:24:18] Voice 14: only one of them had a statement that used the word must.

[0:24:22] Voice 14: And if that word must was removed,

[0:24:26] Voice 14: all of them would become requests

[0:24:28] Voice 14: rather than statements of action.

[0:24:31] Voice 14: And by having them removed, the situation becomes a case of muting our community's preferences.

[0:24:46] Voice 14: Because those statements were basically stating what the community would like to see happen, right?

[0:24:56] Voice 14: right? And if you mute those by removing them, then why do we have an official plan? Because

[0:25:07] Voice 14: you've just said that we're not allowed to take in half the speaker preferences, you

[0:25:16] Voice 14: know, and that was the basis of my concern. And there was also a couple of other references

[0:25:25] Voice 14: references to wording that I put in there with regards to the heritage and stuff like that.

[0:25:38] Voice 14: I think that my email is probably relatively explanatory, and I'm glad to hear that, as you said earlier,

[0:25:48] Voice 14: or nothing is going to be pounded into finality today.

[0:25:56] Voice 14: Because that was my concern is that, you know,

[0:26:00] Voice 14: I believe that the community should have an opportunity

[0:26:03] Voice 14: to review recommendations before they're put into effect.

[0:26:10] Voice 14: Well,

[0:26:11] Trustee Patrick: thank you for taking the time to write the email

[0:26:13] Trustee Patrick: and it does help us to get those emails in advance

[0:26:15] Trustee Patrick: and we can read them and that was, so thank you very much.

[0:26:18] Trustee Patrick: much

[0:26:18] Voice 14: appreciate it for you listen

[0:26:20] Trustee Patrick: absolutely hi hi yeah it is

[0:26:25] Voice 17: time rolling it

[0:26:26] Trustee Patrick: is on you're

[0:26:27] Voice 17: got your writing time

[0:26:27] Voice 17: awesome um yeah i'd just like to address the trustees and suggest um that

[0:26:34] Voice 17: the six i believe it's six um issues that the province had with our OCP and they wanted

[0:26:40] Voice 17: um remove their advocacy policies i'm just going through the agenda package and it's not clear to

[0:26:47] Voice 17: me if they're being recommended to be removed still or not but I'm very aware that the advisory

[0:26:53] Voice 17: planning commission didn't have a quorum when they tried to meet recently and so they weren't

[0:26:59] Voice 17: able to speak to the issue as the LTC requested of them but my simple comment is these advocacy

[0:27:07] Voice 17: policies are from the community we had an extensive community process to create them

[0:27:13] Voice 17: um the ocp is our document our community document obviously and so my recommendation to the

[0:27:21] trustees is to retain all six advocacy policies because there is no legal conflict in terms of

[0:27:29] what the products

[0:27:30] Voice 17: need or want certainly they want to silence our voice clearly on those six issues

[0:27:35] Voice 17: by having them taken out of our community plan but our community plan is our community plan

[0:27:42] Voice 17: and that's what our community wished for and is saying at this moment so i'm just encouraging the

[0:27:50] Voice 17: trustees to not remove them from our community um we we've already heard from the community about

[0:27:57] Voice 17: this process so even though the apc couldn't confirm it i hope that the trust will hold the

[0:28:04] Voice 17: ground but

[0:28:06] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much for that and we will absolutely be having some conversation about

[0:28:11] Trustee Patrick: that shortly so thank you anything else i

[0:28:15] Voice 16: have one final thing i forgot here they're uh i'm

[0:28:19] Voice 16: quite interested in heritage sheep on the stevie island and i phoned the ministry of agriculture

[0:28:24] Voice 16: and miss ford's down there she said that she recommended one of two labels for the sheep

[0:28:36] Voice 16: unowned sheep or formerly domestic now running wild and I would like to endorse the term

[0:28:45] Voice 16: formerly domestic now running wild because unowned might have unintended consequences

[0:28:52] Voice 16: if people not on the island here there's unowned sheep who knows what would happen

[0:28:58] Voice 16: but if they're formerly domestic now running wild that's a more neutral term thank you I'd

[0:29:05] Voice 16: like to come down on the side of that term and hopefully the local trust committee will do

[0:29:10] Voice 16: something at this final meeting concerning that all

[0:29:14] Trustee Patrick: right thank you very much so any other final

[0:29:17] Trustee Patrick: words for the town hall all right so thank you we'll move on then

[0:29:22] Trustee Patrick: uh item 6.1 which is on page

[0:29:25] Trustee Patrick: four of our agenda package is the minutes from the june 6th meeting are there any additions or

[0:29:30] Trustee Patrick: changes that need to be made to the minutes looking to see

[0:29:37] Trustee Patrick: peter did you have any

[0:29:38] Voice 8: i i do

[0:29:41] Voice 2: i did i sent them to heather and i can't i don't know where they are right now i mean i wasn't

[0:29:47] Voice 2: i assumed that those would be incorporated they they have to do with uh i'll see if i can find

[0:29:57] Voice 2: Kind of.

[0:30:00] Voice 2: it it refers to um the local newsletter as island times and its actual name is our isle and times

[0:30:10] Voice 2: and it refers to something else i can't remember what uh and it also includes the bit of the report

[0:30:17] Voice 2: oh it's a trustee report it's my report i think um yeah that's it's it's uh item five town hall

[0:30:32] Voice 2: at the very end of it trustee Johnston noted that only a portion of the island

[0:30:37] Voice 2: time submission and it's our aisle and times and somewhere and somewhere in

[0:30:56] Voice 2: there refers to it it's the report I think on the plaque event and it says

[0:31:02] Voice 2: It says something about, it actually was sponsored

[0:31:05] Voice 2: by the Leskedia Community Association and BC Parks.

[0:31:11] Voice 2: And I'm not sure where that is.

[0:31:15] Voice 2: Heather has it in an email that I sent to her.

[0:31:19] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I've got

[0:31:20] Voice 8: the email up now.

[0:31:21] Voice 8: So 4.1, it's the Community Association of BC Parks.

[0:31:30] Trustee Patrick: So it's the Community Association and BC Parks?

[0:31:34] Voice 2: Yes, Leskedia Community Association

[0:31:38] Voice 2: the Leskeetee Community Association and VC Parks.

[0:31:42] Trustee Patrick: So Catherine, that's bullet item number,

[0:31:45] Trustee Patrick: second bullet under 4.1 on

[0:31:50] Voice 8: page four of the package.

[0:31:55] Voice 8: So did you get that change?

[0:31:57] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:31:58] Voice 8: Okay, great.

[0:32:01] Voice 8: And were there more?

[0:32:03] Voice 8: No, that's it in the aisle,

[0:32:05] Trustee Patrick: in the hour.

[0:32:07] Voice 2: At the very end of it.

[0:32:09] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:32:11] Voice 2: Oh, of the very end of the town hall.

[0:32:13] Voice 2: yeah

[0:32:14] Trustee Patrick: the last bullet in the town hall correction

[0:32:16] Trustee Patrick: of the name yes are there any other changes or

[0:32:20] Trustee Patrick: corrections to the minutes can we approve the minutes as amended through general consent

[0:32:27] Trustee Patrick: excellent thank you so the next thing we have on the agenda then is item 7.1 is the follow-up

[0:32:35] Trustee Patrick: action list beginning on page 11 of the is there any questions for staff or anything

[0:32:40] Trustee Patrick: anything that staff want to raise?

[0:32:46] Voice 18: From me, except for one,

[0:32:51] Voice 18: and that's probably number,

[0:32:54] Voice 18: the first item under 28 October, 2019,

[0:32:58] Voice 18: I believe William is gonna be logging in later on

[0:33:03] Voice 18: to talk about the Freshwater Project

[0:33:04] Voice 18: and so he may be able to speak to that item.

[0:33:06] Voice 18: Okay, so

[0:33:11] Voice 8: I should always make sure

[0:33:12] Trustee Patrick: that there's a admit coming up.

[0:33:14] Trustee Patrick: all right and so Peter do you have any questions on the follow-up action list

[0:33:19] Trustee Patrick: oh you're muted Peter if you're speaking

[0:33:25] Voice 2: yep sorry April 11th 22 um activity number five I

[0:33:30] Voice 2: wonder if that if that's finished it's uh it says it's in progress which one is

[0:33:38] Trustee Patrick: that the item five

[0:33:41] Trustee Patrick: on a

[0:33:42] Voice 6: letter to the advisory planning commission his terms expire ask thank you for participation

[0:33:47] Voice 6: patient and inviting expressions of interest yes

[0:33:49] Voice 18: that's correct it is complete we'll make sure we

[0:33:52] Voice 8: mark out any other questions no more peter no

[0:34:02] Voice 2: that's it thanks great

[0:34:04] Voice 8: so

[0:34:05] Trustee Patrick: 7.2 do we have a 7.2

[0:34:12] Trustee Patrick: meeting procedures bylaw proposed amendment

[0:34:15] Voice 6: yes this this is uh me uh-huh and um so uh this is

[0:34:27] Voice 6: about the lead up to time for um delegations for the local trust committee and um i'm just

[0:34:40] Voice 6: going to go ahead and make a motion and then we'll see where it goes and um with the chairs

[0:34:48] Voice 6: no all right

[0:34:49] Voice 6: okay so pay

[0:34:50] Trustee Patrick: attention emotions so

[0:34:53] Voice 6: i move that the liskiti local trust committee

[0:34:58] Voice 6: uh amend the meeting procedures by law by reducing

[0:35:04] Voice 5: the minimum lead time for delegations

[0:35:14] Voice 5: from 10 days to five before

[0:35:21] Voice 8: you second that i'll let katherine read that back

[0:35:24] Voice 8: that

[0:35:29] Voice 15: the liskiti local trust committee amend the meeting procedures bylaw by reducing the

[0:35:34] Voice 15: minimum lead time for delegations from 10 days to five delegation request right yep yes it should

[0:35:40] Voice 15: have

[0:35:41] Voice 7: a request delegation

[0:35:42] Trustee Patrick: request delegation

[0:35:45] Voice 15: request yes from 10 days to five okay

[0:35:51] Voice 10: that's

[0:35:53] Voice 15: all right is

[0:35:55] Voice 8: there a second peter if you're you're muted so i couldn't see if you seconded

[0:36:06] Voice 2: i'll second all

[0:36:07] Trustee Patrick: right great any discussion

[0:36:11] Trustee Patrick: heather

[0:36:12] Voice 18: power so maybe i need clarification but what i'm hearing you say is that would be five

[0:36:18] Voice 18: days prior to the meeting date and um you know our agenda deadline is a week before so seven days um

[0:36:29] Voice 18: And, you know, one of the reasons that 10 days was in the bylaw was because staff do have to see what gets submitted when a delegation submits something, we have to read through it to ensure that it's not defamatory and there's no personal information, and then put it into the agenda package.

[0:36:49] Voice 18: So so we need at least 7 days, but really more than 7 days, because that's the agenda deadline.

[0:36:59] Voice 18: So that's yeah, I can tell you

[0:37:02] Trustee Patrick: what we've done another trust.

[0:37:03] Trustee Patrick: It just happened in North Pender by our last meeting.

[0:37:07] Trustee Patrick: An organization had submitted a delegation request too late for the agenda package had already gone out, and we just told them at the beginning of the town hall of the or the beginning of the meeting.

[0:37:20] Trustee Patrick: we discuss it and we just allowed them a bit more time in the town hall but they had you know emailed

[0:37:26] Trustee Patrick: the package and that was how we decided to deal with it on the day of so yeah

[0:37:33] Voice 6: so i mean the i

[0:37:36] Voice 6: and that but that's sort of at the discretion of the local trust committee on the fly

[0:37:41] Voice 6: whereas this is in the bylaw so i think what i'm hearing though heather is that

[0:37:49] Voice 6: that seven days is the minimum

[0:37:52] Voice 6: because of the release of the agenda package.

[0:37:56] Voice 6: Right.

[0:37:58] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:37:58] Voice 18: And we're

[0:37:59] Voice 18: drafting,

[0:38:00] Voice 18: we're drafting the agenda 14 days ahead, right?

[0:38:04] Voice 18: And we signed with the trust committee,

[0:38:06] Voice 18: the draft agenda 14 days in advance.

[0:38:12] Voice 18: So ideally we know there's a delegation,

[0:38:15] Voice 18: at least we know there's delegation

[0:38:16] Voice 18: we can put it on the agenda when we're sending out that draft agenda to you for review but

[0:38:23] Voice 18: in order to to get the agenda package up it has to be at least seven days yeah okay well

[0:38:32] Voice 19: if the chair will indulge i would change the number five to seven so

[0:38:40] Trustee Patrick: uh you want to just

[0:38:42] Trustee Patrick: do it as an amendment or or friendly are you asking for a friendly amendment i

[0:38:47] Voice 19: i i feel

[0:38:49] Voice 19: like it's reasonably

[0:38:50] Trustee Patrick: friendly peter you're okay with changing it from five to

[0:38:55] Voice 2: seven i i'm not sure

[0:38:56] Voice 2: if seven is going to work though i mean that's the day it has to be published can i can i speak

[0:39:04] Voice 2: to the issue a little bit before we decide what might be a good way to deal with it i understand

[0:39:09] Voice 2: my understanding is that people object to having to submit what they're going to say at least 10

[0:39:14] Voice 2: days ahead of time and as little as a fairly short time ago delegations were on the trust council

[0:39:22] Voice 2: agenda and made their presentation and then after the trust council meeting made their presentation

[0:39:30] Voice 2: available to us through lori foster it was forwarded to all the trustees

[0:39:35] Voice 2: the practice changed so that the presentation was in the agenda package and understandably the you

[0:39:43] Voice 2: know the trust can't just publish something because somebody submitted it has to be gone

[0:39:48] Voice 2: through and that's why it got to be you had to do it that way it for some reason and and i'm not

[0:39:54] Voice 2: aware of the process the skidi started adopting the same rules that that the delegation had to

[0:40:00] Voice 2: be published the text of it or the presentation whatever it was had to be published in the agenda

[0:40:05] Voice 2: package and that's why it had to be submitted and people felt rightly i think that they're

[0:40:11] Voice 2: they were constrained they were going to be judged and what they submitted might or might

[0:40:17] Voice 2: not be accepted and i'm not sure that that solved a problem that we had i i don't remember any

[0:40:23] Voice 2: delegations that went off the rails and had to be stopped because they were defamatory or insulting

[0:40:29] Voice 2: or totally off the off the proper course and if we just if if somebody wanted to be a delegation

[0:40:37] Voice 2: I think that if they said 10 days before I'd like to have a present a delegation on such and such a meeting 10 days before the meeting that's time to get it in the agenda package, and it just says, so and so appearing and what the subject is, is that, is there a reason we don't do that anymore.

[0:41:01] Voice 2: are?

[0:41:03] Trustee Patrick: Well, I don't know when your meeting procedure bylaw was last amended, but I think

[0:41:07] Trustee Patrick: generally most of them are moving to that format.

[0:41:12] Voice 2: Do you know why?

[0:41:15] Trustee Patrick: I think a lot of them, I think

[0:41:17] Trustee Patrick: they all copied Salt Spring. Salt Spring was the first to go to that way and they were just copying

[0:41:22] Trustee Patrick: it to be consistent. Yeah.

[0:41:24] Trustee Patrick: So it is your meeting procedure bylaw.

[0:41:29] Voice 2: I personally feel that it's an

[0:41:31] Voice 2: imposition to have to submit your thing 10 days ahead of time and presumably i mean i when i write

[0:41:38] Voice 2: something i'm editing it and changing it up to the last minute um and sometimes in the actual

[0:41:44] Voice 2: presentation that i i don't i don't see the need to have the the presentation included in the agenda

[0:41:52] Voice 2: package and therefore it's submitted ahead of time

[0:41:57] Voice 6: okay so um as i was listening to peter i i realized

[0:42:01] Voice 6: that uh that there's actually two different issues one is the notice of wanting to make a delegation

[0:42:10] Voice 6: i'm hearing you know seven days would be the absolute minimum but 10 would be better

[0:42:15] Voice 6: and then the other issue is about the deadline to submit materials and so given that and the way

[0:42:25] Voice 6: that this uh motion was worded um that's actually not getting what peter was just talking about was

[0:42:33] Voice 6: the submission of materials and that's what i was trying to get at so even though you said even

[0:42:38] Voice 6: though i agreed with you when you said requests that's actually not what i did intended so i am

[0:42:44] Voice 6: happy to go ahead and um vote this motion down and then get back at the actual what i'm trying

[0:42:51] Voice 6: to actually get at is the is the submission of materials not the

[0:42:56] Voice 4: request and then when you said

[0:43:00] Voice 4: request i just said oh yeah so

[0:43:02] Trustee Patrick: you're looking at kind of a two-stage process that a request is made

[0:43:05] Trustee Patrick: for delegation and time to go in the as

[0:43:09] Voice 6: trustee johnson was saying that i mean to me that's it

[0:43:14] Voice 6: could all be tied as one issue but it could be it could be viewed as two different timelines right

[0:43:21] Voice 6: yeah no yeah it'd

[0:43:23] Voice 6: be like adding a

[0:43:23] Trustee Patrick: step in the so there would be a request deadline

[0:43:28] Voice 6: the request

[0:43:29] Trustee Patrick: deadline the material submission deadline and

[0:43:32] Voice 6: and then i think i think peter

[0:43:35] Voice 6: and i are somewhat on the same page that we're not entirely sure that a material submission deadline

[0:43:40] Voice 6: line in fact even needs to happen

[0:43:43] Voice 8: yeah i mean if sorry go

[0:43:54] Voice 2: ahead peter oh sorry if somebody wants to

[0:43:57] Voice 2: wants to have their delegation material included in the agenda package then they should submit it

[0:44:03] Voice 2: at at the time they submit the request 10 days ahead i think but i think it's perfectly fine

[0:44:09] Voice 2: for them just to come with it and to do a entirely verbal presentation that doesn't have any materials

[0:44:16] Voice 2: uh or or to if there are materials to make them available to the local trust committee after the

[0:44:24] Voice 2: the presentation has been made yes

[0:44:29] Voice 8: go ahead here so um i'll

[0:44:32] Voice 18: just say i've got the bylaw

[0:44:34] Voice 18: so the bylaw itself actually says 14 days ahead of time um written request to appear

[0:44:40] Voice 18: of the local trust committee must be received by the deputy secretary by noon 14 calendar days

[0:44:46] Voice 18: prior to meeting so um i think our that you passed a standing resolution to reduce that

[0:44:53] Voice 18: um i think and so i thought

[0:44:55] Voice 6: the stabbing resolution was only about the um notice of

[0:45:01] Voice 6: rescheduling

[0:45:02] Voice 18: notice of rescheduling right okay i

[0:45:03] Voice 6: don't think we actually changed that standing

[0:45:05] Voice 6: standing resolution because the issue of what the standing resolution is because um it was uh it was

[0:45:12] Voice 6: an expedient way to get that in there because we weren't going to have the time to actually amend

[0:45:18] Voice 6: the bylaw at that moment so

[0:45:21] Voice 18: so i'll just kind of point that out there but um so from from our

[0:45:27] Voice 18: perspective just administratively it is it is easier to deal with submissions either before

[0:45:35] Voice 18: the agenda package is put together so that everything's done at once and we're done

[0:45:39] Voice 18: or as trustee johnson says people bring it to the meeting and then um we add it to the package after

[0:45:45] Voice 18: the fact after we've reviewed it but if it's somewhere in between if if the agenda package

[0:45:50] Voice 18: gets published and then people send us and we're and then we have to add things and then you know

[0:45:56] Voice 18: an addendum on the agenda it's just a little bit more work we can do it it's just a little

[0:46:01] Voice 18: our person from our perspective it

[0:46:03] Trustee Patrick: works to go to the minutes and

[0:46:05] Voice 6: i i mean i think that

[0:46:08] Voice 6: what we're aiming to do here is to be less restrictive about um about the delegations

[0:46:15] Voice 6: being able to to come and speak to us so if there's if there's no if there's not uh like

[0:46:24] Voice 6: a policy or anything else that says that we have to get those materials in advance then why don't

[0:46:29] Voice 6: we what i would propose that we do is we say um your request must be in by this many days

[0:46:36] Voice 6: and if you want it to be included in the agenda you must send in those materials at that time

[0:46:44] Voice 6: and then if they don't want to if they don't have the materials ready or just want to present

[0:46:50] Voice 6: then we let them present and we can you know do after the fact i think that that's much more

[0:46:55] Voice 6: flexible and i think it gets more to where i feel like we want to have the space for people to do

[0:47:02] Voice 6: that so

[0:47:05] Trustee Patrick: i'm just trying to think of what would it be easier than just to ask staff to come back with

[0:47:10] Trustee Patrick: the recommended change for the clause you've been trying to do it on the fly and do the wording it

[0:47:15] Trustee Patrick: might be just because of that okay so

[0:47:18] Trustee Patrick: why

[0:47:20] Voice 6: don't we go ahead and vote this motion down and then uh

[0:47:24] Voice 6: uh well i'll i'll work on a new motion um to ask staff to do all

[0:47:28] Trustee Patrick: right so i guess uh

[0:47:29] Trustee Patrick: is that was it okay with you uh trustee johnson all right so then i'll call the vote then all

[0:47:35] Trustee Patrick: those in favor no all those against so that's defeated we could have withdrawn but that works

[0:47:43] Trustee Patrick: too well yeah i

[0:47:44] Voice 6: thought there was something about not withdrawing emotions it has to

[0:47:47] Voice 6: be an answer

[0:47:47] Voice 6: or anyway and

[0:47:49] Trustee Patrick: i realized i got that little thing now

[0:47:53] Voice 6: so as far as specificity heather um uh how

[0:47:58] Voice 6: specific do you want me to get on this could i just say you know regarding delegation materials

[0:48:03] Voice 6: and timing of submission of delegation materials that sort of thing okay so all right catherine

[0:48:10] Voice 6: here comes another motion i move that the ltc requests staff to report back on options for

[0:48:24] Voice 6: submission of delegation materials the meeting procedure in the meeting procedure bylaw just

[0:48:36] Voice 8: read that back catherine when you're ready um

[0:48:46] Voice 15: that the ltc requests staff to report back on options

[0:48:51] Voice 15: for submissions of delegation materials

[0:48:54] Voice 15: in the meeting procedures by-law?

[0:48:56] Voice 15: Yes, that's good.

[0:48:58] Voice 8: Is there a second

[0:48:59] Voice 2: to that motion?

[0:49:01] Voice 2: I'll second it, but I'm not sure.

[0:49:03] Voice 2: Don't we, haven't we just talked about the two options?

[0:49:08] Voice 2: Submit it with your request 14 days before the meeting

[0:49:11] Voice 2: or bring it to the meeting?

[0:49:13] Voice 2: Yes,

[0:49:14] Voice 6: and we're just asking staff to come back

[0:49:16] Voice 6: and put some proposed wording for that

[0:49:19] Voice 6: so we don't try and do it on the fly here,

[0:49:20] Voice 6: make a by-law on the fly.

[0:49:21] Voice 6: oh

[0:49:22] Voice 2: okay but we're we're asking the motion asks for options and

[0:49:28] Voice 6: should we not

[0:49:28] Voice 2: should we not ask

[0:49:30] Voice 2: her to prepare text for a bylaw amendment i'm

[0:49:37] Voice 5: fine if you want to amend the motion with that that's

[0:49:39] Voice 6: that's sort of a bit more specific yeah well

[0:49:42] Voice 2: at this point it hasn't been seconded yet so i don't

[0:49:44] Voice 2: think we need to amend it

[0:49:45] Trustee Patrick: but i i think heather's understanding what we're asking yes she's nodding

[0:49:50] Trustee Patrick: your head yes so i mean you can get more specific if you want but that that is the intent okay

[0:49:55] Voice 2: all

[0:49:56] Voice 2: right i can live with that all

[0:49:58] Trustee Patrick: right so is that seconded then okay oh

[0:50:00] Trustee Patrick: you did no you kind of did

[0:50:01] Trustee Patrick: all right so the motion seconded any discussion i

[0:50:07] Voice 4: feel like uh you got her disgusted

[0:50:09] Trustee Patrick: plenty i'll

[0:50:11] Trustee Patrick: call a vote then all those in favor and that's carried all right i

[0:50:17] Voice 2: i have a another issue with a

[0:50:21] Voice 2: a bylaw that that's dealt with in the standing resolution.

[0:50:24] Voice 2: And it deals with when we change the time

[0:50:27] Voice 2: or the method of a meeting or the venue of a meeting,

[0:50:30] Voice 2: but it doesn't deal at all with neither the bylaw

[0:50:33] Voice 2: nor the standing resolution.

[0:50:35] Voice 2: Can

[0:50:35] Trustee Patrick: we deal with that when we get to 13.4, Peter?

[0:50:39] Trustee Patrick: Oh, okay.

[0:50:40] Voice 2: So that we

[0:50:41] Voice 2: can have those

[0:50:41] Trustee Patrick: specific resolution

[0:50:43] Trustee Patrick: open in front of us.

[0:50:45] Voice 2: Okay, I don't, what's 13.4?

[0:50:47] Trustee Patrick: That is the adopted policies and standing resolutions.

[0:50:50] Trustee Patrick: resolutions.

[0:50:50] Voice 2: Okay. I mean, we're talking about the bylaw now. Okay.

[0:50:55] Trustee Patrick: But I mean, you're talking

[0:50:56] Voice 2: about a

[0:50:56] Trustee Patrick: standing resolution. Well,

[0:50:58] Voice 2: what we did is in when we wanted to change the bylaw

[0:51:02] Voice 2: last meeting, we instead of changing the bylaw, which takes time, got as a process, we adopted

[0:51:09] Voice 2: a standing resolution. But the standing resolution and the bylaw don't deal with newly called

[0:51:15] Voice 2: meetings, extra meetings. There's no guidance on what kind of notice should be given. I also feel

[0:51:23] Voice 2: like we should, it says a notice board on Liskiti accessible to the public and I think it really

[0:51:31] Voice 2: needs to specify a particular notice board or maybe several. I

[0:51:44] Voice 6: mean I see what you're getting

[0:51:45] Voice 6: at because if we're going to go ahead and amend the bylaw with the delegation materials portion

[0:51:52] Voice 6: then we may as well actually fix that fix that while we're at it so um do you have any comment

[0:52:02] Voice 6: on that i mean it does make

[0:52:03] Voice 6: sense to if we're going to amend it once we may as well do both

[0:52:06] Voice 6: amendments yes after we will because we'll have to rescind the reading i assume yeah

[0:52:10] Voice 18: yeah that's

[0:52:12] Voice 18: true so

[0:52:13] Voice 6: is there um i

[0:52:15] Voice 6: guess my question to you is is there um do you need a resolution to prepare

[0:52:19] Voice 6: to prepare that part of it for amendment or is it straightforward enough that you can.

[0:52:25] Voice 6: I

[0:52:26] Voice 18: think a resolution would help sorry, just probably looking like the last resolution options for meeting change notification staff to bring a report back on options for meeting change changes consistent with the

[0:52:56] Voice 2: actually heather it's it's newly called meetings that are absent you know like if we call a

[0:53:02] Voice 2: community information meeting or we need an extra meeting there's the bylaw and the standing

[0:53:09] Voice 2: resolution are silent on how much notice should be given or how notice should be given

[0:53:15] Voice 2: okay tim's

[0:53:20] Voice 8: going to attempt a resolution here does

[0:53:37] Voice 5: anyone know what that can anyone tell me

[0:53:38] Voice 5: the number of the standing resolution we

[0:53:41] Voice 8: just did it in minutes the

[0:53:54] Voice 18: last one isn't it the

[0:53:56] Voice 18: resolution number is 2022-022 2022

[0:54:00] Voice 5: -022 i

[0:54:11] Voice 6: think this is getting at it let's see how it goes i

[0:54:15] Voice 6: I move that the LTC request staff to report back

[0:54:17] Voice 6: on options for meeting notification

[0:54:21] Voice 6: in the meeting procedures bylaw

[0:54:23] Voice 6: per Standing Resolution 2022-022

[0:54:31] Voice 6: and

[0:54:31] Voice 5: include notice of new meetings, makes sense?

[0:54:38] Voice 2: Thank you, that works.

[0:54:39] Voice 8: I'll just give Catherine a moment.

[0:54:49] Voice 15: That the LTC request staff to report back

[0:54:54] Voice 15: on meeting notifications in the meeting procedures bylaw

[0:55:02] Voice 15: and include notice of new meetings?

[0:55:05] Voice 15: Oh, sorry, that the Lusketeer LTC requests staff

[0:55:09] Voice 15: to report back on meeting notifications

[0:55:13] Voice 15: in the meeting procedures bylaw

[0:55:15] Voice 15: per standing resolution 2022-2022

[0:55:20] Voice 15: and include notice of new meetings?

[0:55:22] Voice 15: very

[0:55:24] Voice 6: close but right after the first on report back on options oh

[0:55:30] Voice 15: report back on options

[0:55:32] Voice 15: on meeting notification or

[0:55:37] Voice 10: for meeting notifications for

[0:55:39] Voice 15: meeting notifications okay

[0:55:41] Voice 15: yeah all

[0:55:43] Trustee Patrick: right so thank you

[0:55:44] Voice 15: is there a second

[0:55:45] Trustee Patrick: to that a

[0:55:46] Voice 2: second any discussion

[0:55:50] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote then all those in favor and that's carried any other items about the meeting

[0:55:57] Trustee Patrick: procedure by vote all right now we'll go on uh to the 9.1 which is the official community plan

[0:56:08] Trustee Patrick: project status update and the report begins on page 15 and over to you heather gower yeah

[0:56:16] Voice 18: so um

[0:56:19] Voice 18: this project has been kind of on hold we've been um as you might remember we got a letter from

[0:56:26] Voice 18: some of us First Nation back in September of last year requesting a meeting so their staff have made

[0:56:34] Voice 18: multiple attempts and the LTC has written a letter trying to respond and set up a meeting

[0:56:41] Voice 18: with First Nations and we haven't received any responses to any of our our responses

[0:56:46] Voice 18: so we are at this point because the project has it's been a year and we haven't had a response

[0:56:54] Voice 18: um we are recommending that the project move forward um there was also a referral to the apc

[0:57:02] Voice 18: to review some items and at their last meeting they were they lacked quorum and then the next

[0:57:07] Voice 18: day they were disbanded because their terms expired um so so um so there are a few options

[0:57:17] Voice 18: we are recommending that that we move forward we have some specific amendments that we've

[0:57:21] Voice 18: that we've recommended um but of course the trustees have the option of of putting it on

[0:57:29] Voice 18: hold and referring it to a new apc if they would prefer to do that um the the amendments that we're

[0:57:39] Voice 18: recommending are consistent with ones that we've talked about over the last year um they're and

[0:57:47] Voice 18: And they do include removal of those policies

[0:57:50] Voice 18: that were problematic for Flynnward.

[0:57:55] Voice 18: However, because there's been concern about that

[0:57:58] Voice 18: in the community, there is an option here

[0:58:01] Voice 18: that I've provided for retaining those policies.

[0:58:04] Voice 18: And I've got resolution language to address that

[0:58:07] Voice 18: if you'd like.

[0:58:08] Voice 18: And I did attach two different versions

[0:58:11] Voice 18: of kind of the track changes version of the OCP.

[0:58:14] Voice 18: One is my recommended draft, which removes those splint-word policies, and the other

[0:58:22] Voice 18: draft includes them to retain.

[0:58:25] Voice 18: It's a little bit complicated in terms of the resolutions that you have to pass because

[0:58:31] Voice 18: they're listed chronologically, but the splint-word policies are sort of scattered in there.

[0:58:38] Voice 18: So, anyway, we can get to those complications if we want to talk about those some more.

[0:58:44] Voice 18: Also of note is that the references to feral sheep have been replaced with unowned and, what was it?

[0:58:57] Voice 18: Formerly domestic.

[0:58:58] Voice 18: Formerly domestic, yes.

[0:58:59] Voice 18: And so I did insert that language in there, but, of course, the trustees could amend that, those now as well.

[0:59:08] Voice 18: so essentially what we're recommending is that you amend the the draft which has already received

[0:59:16] Voice 18: second reading amend it we send second reading and then well and then give it second reading again

[0:59:24] Voice 18: and move it forward to community information meeting and public hearing as you know this

[0:59:31] Voice 18: project has been going on since 2018 there was a tremendous amount of effort put in by the

[0:59:37] Voice 18: the Mesquite Community Association, and a number of public meetings associated with

[0:59:44] Voice 18: that gathering and producing a report that then has been reviewed by the LTC, has been

[0:59:53] Voice 18: on your agenda for the last year or two.

[0:59:57] Voice 18: there, you know, every LTC meeting.

[1:00:00] Voice 18: have is an opportunity for the community to come and speak and review what you're looking at um

[1:00:07] Voice 18: so that's why i feel comfortable recommending it forward to another cim they've had some

[1:00:14] Voice 18: so have another cim and a public hearing um anything

[1:00:21] Voice 8: else i want to say about that

[1:00:24] Voice 8: um i don't think so i think that's where we're at so i'll leave it to you for questions

[1:00:33] Voice 8: all right trustees so

[1:00:38] Voice 6: i've been looking at the um at the report here and um and i think that

[1:00:46] Voice 6: my view is that i i actually don't think it's appropriate for the ltc to go ahead

[1:00:54] Voice 6: um without them at the minimum the apc referral um because there's there's actually a couple

[1:01:04] Voice 6: of different things that we've referred to them and of course it's just the reality of the timing

[1:01:08] Voice 6: that they didn't get a chance to meet and you know it didn't align with with the referrals um

[1:01:17] Voice 6: so uh much as i was hoping that we would be complete with this project before the end of

[1:01:24] Voice 6: the term i mean we're clearly not not going to be and given that i think it's more appropriate to

[1:01:29] Voice 6: um wait and pass this on to the next ltc who is going to have to be getting their mix right into

[1:01:38] Voice 6: the ocp anyway because it isn't complete um and i think it's appropriate to hear back from the apc

[1:01:46] Voice 6: um which hopefully will be appointing today and i also i also have so have i been a resolution

[1:01:52] Voice 6: solution prepared for that and I also think that I'd like to for this um LTC to recommend to the

[1:01:59] Voice 6: incoming LTC to reach out one more time to the shona us um before deciding to uh to plow ahead

[1:02:07] Voice 6: so that's that's where I'm at right now I

[1:02:13] Trustee Patrick: was just gonna on that following on what you had suggested

[1:02:16] Trustee Patrick: we just had our oh you were at the regional planning meeting there and uh because that was

[1:02:22] Trustee Patrick: a paragraph i wanted added to the letter from the chair to the next trustees was in our standing

[1:02:27] Trustee Patrick: resolutions for reconciliation says write a letter to the nations in the beginning and i think

[1:02:33] Trustee Patrick: that's an opportunity for trustees to do more than just write a letter ask for a meeting and

[1:02:38] Trustee Patrick: have a meal sit down and talk about these issues and start off the term in a open you know

[1:02:45] Trustee Patrick: way at the beginning but uh any comments you have uh mr johnson

[1:02:51] Voice 2: yes i i fully agree with tim i i

[1:02:54] Voice 2: i think we should not proceed at this time and i i have a number of concerns uh one is that

[1:03:01] Voice 2: i our response to this on us it was slow it took three months before we responded

[1:03:09] Voice 2: responded by sending them a letter saying sure we'll meet with you uh it's not surprising that

[1:03:15] Voice 2: that well it could have been way better we could have been much clearer I would like to to have

[1:03:21] Voice 2: the next LTC say we are going to proceed with this we're going to have to proceed with this

[1:03:27] Voice 2: at our meeting on such and such a date and we would love to meet with you before that

[1:03:32] Voice 2: or or you know after that if you like uh but give them some notice that we're going to be going on

[1:03:38] Voice 2: with it rather than just going on with it um the other part that that i'm not comfortable with and

[1:03:44] Voice 2: and i appreciate that that heather has put an option here is the the things that finro objected

[1:03:51] Voice 2: to those were all things that the community wanted and i think uh i think it was you laura that

[1:03:56] Voice 2: suggested you don't really want to be uh taking off the government that has to uh whose minister

[1:04:02] Voice 2: has to approve your OCP but I think we could spend some time or the APC could spend some time

[1:04:08] Voice 2: the local trust committee rephrasing some of them just this is the wish of our community this is not

[1:04:15] Voice 2: a demand their advocacy policies provincial government is not obligated to follow them

[1:04:21] Voice 2: anyway but they are things that the community wanted and I to me it's important that the

[1:04:26] Voice 2: community have more say in this especially if we make changes uh having changes that if we make

[1:04:35] Voice 2: them now and then it goes to a community information meeting and a public hearing

[1:04:39] Voice 2: the community information meeting is fine it's not terribly expensive but i think there's pretty

[1:04:43] Voice 2: significant expenses about advertising a public hearing and holding that and my guess is that that

[1:04:50] Voice 2: either won't happen at all or it won't go well but that's just my guess and i may well be wrong

[1:04:57] Voice 2: the other thing i'd like to see the the next ltc do and put on their agenda is to align the terms

[1:05:02] Voice 2: of the advisory planning committee with the trustees turn them into four-year terms it's

[1:05:08] Voice 2: uh it's not difficult to uh remove a trustee if the local trust or a apc member if there's reason

[1:05:15] Voice 2: to or add add new ones so but i i prefer strongly not to proceed with this at this time that the uh

[1:05:25] Voice 2: we could write, well, I don't know,

[1:05:27] Voice 2: the next meeting is early November,

[1:05:29] Voice 2: or maybe it's late November.

[1:05:31] Voice 2: No, it's not.

[1:05:32] Voice 2: I can't remember when that's right.

[1:05:33] Voice 2: Is it November?

[1:05:34] Voice 2: Okay, but it's pretty soon.

[1:05:37] Voice 2: So that, you know, that maybe at the meeting after that,

[1:05:40] Voice 2: that's when the new LTC could write to SNONOS

[1:05:45] Voice 2: and let them know that they need to proceed.

[1:05:48] Voice 2: Okay, sorry, I've wandered around a bit, thanks.

[1:05:52] Trustee Patrick: So how would you,

[1:05:53] Trustee Patrick: what would you like to do today with this then?

[1:05:58] Voice 2: i'd like to just leave it as a recommendation and not follow through with any of it

[1:06:07] Voice 6: uh

[1:06:08] Voice 5: okay i was i was

[1:06:09] Voice 6: uh going to suggest uh a motion that we put consideration of the ocp

[1:06:14] Voice 6: bylaw on the whole pending the apc referral of which actually i should put referrals because

[1:06:20] Voice 6: i think we've referred community uh benefit oh that was in the that was actually that was the

[1:06:25] Voice 6: fees by law wasn't it uh we've had at least one referral to the apc that we haven't heard back

[1:06:31] Voice 6: on through the flame road stuff so i'll

[1:06:35] Voice 18: just comment the resolutions that you have in place

[1:06:39] Voice 18: would allow for all of this as you're as you're saying because you have already um passed

[1:06:44] Voice 18: resolution for the referral okay so

[1:06:46] Voice 18: so

[1:06:48] Voice 6: we could just you

[1:06:49] Voice 18: don't know i'll do anything yeah and that

[1:06:50] Voice 6: will have the same effect okay yeah so

[1:06:52] Voice 6: then the other resolution that i i have that i would like

[1:06:56] Voice 6: like to make is that the L.C. I move that the LTC recommend to the incoming LTC that

[1:07:04] Voice 6: they approach Shauna'a's first nation regarding the OCP referral as soon in the term as practical.

[1:07:14] Voice 6: Did you catch any of

[1:07:15] Voice 8: that, Catherine?

[1:07:23] Voice 15: Yes.

[1:07:26] Voice 8: Do you

[1:07:27] Voice 15: want me to say it again slower?

[1:07:27] Voice 8: That

[1:07:28] Voice 15: the LTC recommend to the incoming LTC that they approach Snohomish First Nation about the OCP referral as soon as possible in their term?

[1:07:41] Voice 5: That's close enough, yeah.

[1:07:43] Voice 8: All right, is there a second? Seconded by Trustee Johnson. Any discussion?

[1:07:51] Trustee Patrick: I think what

[1:07:52] Voice 6: I said, I think it's a, I think...

[1:07:54] Voice 6: I think the new term's a good opportunity

[1:07:56] Voice 6: to try and make that connection.

[1:07:57] Voice 6: well

[1:07:58] Trustee Patrick: i think it's to call a meeting try to get a meeting and absolutely sending a letter and

[1:08:02] Trustee Patrick: saying hi i'm so-and-so and i'm so-and-so but to sit down and see them and have the conversation

[1:08:08] Trustee Patrick: i think would go a long way to starting a relationship off on the right foot

[1:08:14] Voice 4: all right yeah

[1:08:15] Voice 4: i think the new term's an appropriate time to get that so yeah

[1:08:19] Trustee Patrick: so any further discussion i'll call the vote then all those in favor and that's kerry

[1:08:28] Trustee Patrick: Okay. So anything else on the OCP project at this time? Okay. That makes it easy.

[1:08:37] Voice 8: No,

[1:08:38] Voice 6: yeah, there actually, there was two referrals to the ABC now that I think of it,

[1:08:41] Voice 6: because there was

[1:08:41] Voice 8: a Flynn Road

[1:08:41] Voice 6: and then there was the language around sheep,

[1:08:45] Voice 6: because we did refer that to them, but we didn't have an ABC at the time.

[1:08:49] Voice 18: Right. I think community benefit is actually a referral as well.

[1:08:53] Voice 6: Yeah, but that's due to the meeting procedures by along with the OCP, right?

[1:08:57] Voice 6: we have to put it in the ocp to make it work you're right so there's three

[1:09:01] Voice 6: three referrals

[1:09:03] Voice 6: yeah all

[1:09:05] Trustee Patrick: right then anything else then on that otherwise we'll go to 9.2 which is term and

[1:09:10] Trustee Patrick: projects reports on page 203 of the agenda package yeah

[1:09:15] Voice 10: so

[1:09:17] Voice 18: um i've been taking a similar report

[1:09:21] Voice 18: around to all of the northern uh ltcs essentially this is the end of your term and there's some

[1:09:27] Voice 18: we're just recommending that you make some decisions about which projects on your projects

[1:09:33] Voice 18: lists you'd like to recommend to the incoming LTC. We are also recommending a little bit of

[1:09:39] Voice 18: our reorganization of the projects list just so that we, into categories, we have seen that

[1:09:48] Voice 18: most of the LTC's projects are of one type or another. There's like six different categories

[1:09:54] Voice 18: that we have identified.

[1:09:56] Voice 18: Most projects that LTCs do are either OCP amendments

[1:10:01] Voice 18: or LUB amendments.

[1:10:02] Voice 18: And those are the primary categories that we have here,

[1:10:05] Voice 18: but sometimes they're administrative follows

[1:10:07] Voice 18: or something like that.

[1:10:09] Voice 18: So we have made recommendations

[1:10:12] Voice 18: about what your new lists would look like,

[1:10:19] Voice 18: given the projects that you've got going on

[1:10:21] Voice 18: and um what you'd like that what you'd like to go forward um so yeah that's what that is all about

[1:10:29] Voice 18: um and we have a resolution to endorse the top the new top friday's list and project list

[1:10:36] Voice 18: for the for for consideration by the county local trust committee

[1:10:43] Voice 6: okay so i i i mean i know the uh regional planning committee is is discussing how we

[1:10:50] Voice 6: um allocate uh priorities to local trust committees and so that this this could be

[1:10:57] Voice 6: in flux in the next step but i'm

[1:10:58] Voice 6: just curious um when you talk about the categories would you would

[1:11:02] Voice 6: you see um uh like the actual format of the top priorities report that we've been getting did you

[1:11:09] Voice 6: see that format change and would you see those different categories being identified in that

[1:11:14] Voice 6: report yes okay okay that's

[1:11:18] Trustee Patrick: what we we did that it's all spent a long time ago we did a big

[1:11:23] Trustee Patrick: housekeeping big change well

[1:11:25] Voice 19: it worked out well i noticed that

[1:11:26] Trustee Patrick: like north pender had kept a running

[1:11:28] Trustee Patrick: list for the land use bylaw for years things that they had found and it really helped when

[1:11:33] Trustee Patrick: the project got started you had this long list of everything we ever saw wrong that's

[1:11:40] Voice 18: what i'm

[1:11:41] Voice 18: of noticing with a lot of the these lists is that there's all these kind of separate projects that

[1:11:48] Voice 18: are listed but really they're all ocp amendments and so when you go to open it up you can get them

[1:11:53] Voice 18: all at

[1:11:53] Voice 8: once and it's easier to categorize that way okay

[1:12:02] Voice 6: and as far as the actual list here um

[1:12:07] Voice 6: i'll just if you know everyone's all right with it i'll just go through it really quickly

[1:12:12] Voice 6: i think ocplub of course needs to stay on there the fresh water project i assume we may still

[1:12:20] Voice 6: hear from william today but that has been um folded into the regional planning committee's

[1:12:25] Voice 6: project at this point so i'm fine with removing that um especially in light of what we just talked

[1:12:31] Voice 6: about with the meeting procedures bylaw i think that needs to stay on and um that

[1:12:39] Voice 5: was the top

[1:12:39] Voice 5: priorities list so so

[1:12:42] Trustee Patrick: why don't we just talk one list at a time peter did you have

[1:12:46] Voice 2: i i do i i actually don't like the idea of us amending the list uh at this time and and i don't

[1:12:55] Voice 2: like a couple of the recommendations made by heather uh i think that the uh community committee

[1:13:02] Voice 2: and established relationships with first nations a very important thing for and particularly that

[1:13:07] Voice 2: It's the local trust committee with First Nations and regional district governments that we're supposed to be working with them as a government-to-government-to-government way.

[1:13:20] Voice 2: Although by treaty and by constitution, their dealing is with the federal and sometimes the provincial government.

[1:13:28] Voice 2: But in fact, we do have local governments and they have a big effect on a lot of things.

[1:13:35] Voice 2: and working together is a good thing to do the other thing that the the recommendation

[1:13:42] Voice 2: that the community shorelines that via values mapping come out is that project and and this

[1:13:50] Voice 2: is something that's going to be done by liskiti people and it's not anything that the trust is

[1:13:55] Voice 2: required to fund or staff directly impinges on and is about land use issues one of the issues is

[1:14:06] Voice 2: requests for access to the foreshore access when subdivision is done to places that the public

[1:14:13] Voice 2: would like to have access to to beaches to places where community or shared docks could be located

[1:14:21] Voice 2: that wouldn't be swept away in the storms in the winter just to to nice places to go

[1:14:26] Voice 2: and this is all a forward-looking it would be really nice if we had this access process

[1:14:33] Voice 2: that the community can do and it's that it's on there because it's a trust

[1:14:42] Voice 2: function and trust responsibility but it's not asking them to do anything

[1:14:48] Voice 2: thing um i

[1:14:50] Trustee Patrick: just i think did you want to add to that well

[1:14:53] Voice 6: i i just uh i was just going to point

[1:14:55] Voice 6: out chair you mentioned that we might go to one table at a time yeah so in that um and we'll get

[1:15:03] Voice 6: back to have some comments on the other stuff too but peter with that with the top priorities list

[1:15:08] Voice 6: did you have any um i don't have anything about

[1:15:13] Voice 2: the top the three top priorities i i think that

[1:15:16] Voice 2: That report says that we'll only have one top priority, does it not?

[1:15:21] Voice 10: That worries me.

[1:15:26] Trustee Patrick: It's a big top priority.

[1:15:27] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[1:15:28] Trustee Patrick: To implement the OCP through the LUB is a big project.

[1:15:34] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:15:35] Voice 2: The project we've approved so far, I think, is just OCP review.

[1:15:40] Voice 2: The LUB is coming later.

[1:15:44] Trustee Patrick: Correct.

[1:15:44] Trustee Patrick: Correct. But it is a very wise move to say OCP LEB because you need the LEB to implement the OCP.

[1:15:52] Voice 2: It's true. Yeah. Yeah. And I think in it with a big project like that, there is time to move

[1:15:58] Voice 2: forward on some relatively small projects at a time when not much can be done or nothing can be

[1:16:04] Voice 2: done on the big project. I just will be really sorry to, if we're told we can only have one

[1:16:11] Voice 2: one top priority and only work on one thing at a time.

[1:16:15] Trustee Patrick: Well, Heather Coward, did you want to add anything?

[1:16:18] Trustee Patrick: Sure.

[1:16:19] Trustee Patrick: She

[1:16:20] Voice 16: talks to you again.

[1:16:22] Voice 18: So Trustee Johnson, at the last regional planning committee

[1:16:26] Voice 18: meeting, there was a trust council policy.

[1:16:30] Voice 18: There's some recommended changes to trust council policies,

[1:16:33] Voice 18: one of which is a policy that currently

[1:16:36] Voice 18: says that each of the committees gets three projects.

[1:16:39] Voice 18: And that the recommended amendments to that say remove the three and say up to one minor project for each LTC and and then a list of other projects that might be LTC specific but are sort of sorted through and decided through the budget process essentially.

[1:17:04] Voice 18: essentially. So there is a movement to move away from three projects. I will say that

[1:17:12] Voice 18: yes, the OCP LUB project, and it is an OCP LUB project as envisioned by the project charter.

[1:17:20] Voice 18: So the project charter has the OCP amendment as phase one, and then the LUB as phase two. And

[1:17:26] Voice 18: the LUB is very specific. You know, one of the things that you want to talk about that's

[1:17:31] Voice 18: identified as subdivisions so um that's all one big project it is a big project as your four years

[1:17:38] Voice 18: have accounted for um on this project um also um with your previous agenda item you decided to

[1:17:46] Voice 18: to work on the meeting procedures by law so while i had recommended moving it it sounds like you

[1:17:51] Voice 18: want to keep that on there um to continue to address it until that's complete and that's

[1:17:58] Voice 18: that's fine um um so those are my comments on the top priorities i i do have some responses

[1:18:05] Voice 18: to the other comments that were about the other yeah so

[1:18:08] Trustee Patrick: let's finish the top priorities list so

[1:18:09] Trustee Patrick: any other comments in the top priorities list so would you agree then to not remove item three

[1:18:19] Voice 6: yes i think we should retain item three and and it makes sense to remove item two the

[1:18:23] Voice 6: freshwater project since it's been taken up by another body why

[1:18:28] Trustee Patrick: do we want to track these do

[1:18:29] Trustee Patrick: we want to just keep them as notes or do you want us to do a resolution resolution for each of these

[1:18:34] Trustee Patrick: changes um

[1:18:35] Voice 18: it's probably a good idea to have a resolution okay

[1:18:43] Voice 6: well i moved that the ltc

[1:18:50] Voice 6: removed the number two freshwater project from the top priorities list so

[1:19:03] Voice 8: okay we're gonna just

[1:19:03] Trustee Patrick: do it that'll work i guess um all right is there a second i

[1:19:08] Voice 2: i think that we're gonna want to do

[1:19:10] Voice 2: this but i i sort of would like to hear from william first i'm pretty sure we're going to do it

[1:19:17] Voice 2: but i and i guess if if for some reason we're not going to do it we could put it back on

[1:19:20] Voice 2: we

[1:19:21] Trustee Patrick: can always rescind the motion later in the meeting if you've had to

[1:19:23] Voice 2: depart so

[1:19:25] Trustee Patrick: that would work so is that seconded then okay um any discussion i'll call the vote all those in

[1:19:33] Trustee Patrick: favor and

[1:19:35] Voice 2: that's terry there's a majority did

[1:19:38] Trustee Patrick: you vote um uh and then did you want to make a

[1:19:44] Trustee Patrick: resolution then to or it's already in them so so we don't need to touch okay all right never mind

[1:19:53] Trustee Patrick: no other resolution so no other activities on the now we can move to the projects list

[1:20:00] Voice 16: so did that motion pass yes

[1:20:03] Voice 8: oh sorry so on the projects list did

[1:20:12] Trustee Patrick: we want to just go through

[1:20:13] Trustee Patrick: them one item at a time is that easier so the subdivision project so are you how can we do

[1:20:26] Trustee Patrick: this easier we don't want to make 100 resolutions

[1:20:28] Voice 8: we could just basically say we agree with this

[1:20:30] Trustee Patrick: for staff report so we only should on this table make changes if we don't agree with the staff

[1:20:37] Trustee Patrick: report will make a resolution to to note that okay so the subdivision projects so

[1:20:46] Voice 6: i mean i feel like

[1:20:47] Voice 6: probably what we need to the simplest thing to do is just we talk about the ones that are on

[1:20:53] Voice 6: the remove list because everything else is going to hang out so if there's um the desire to not

[1:21:00] Voice 6: remove things maybe we can just make resolutions about that does that make sense peter i think so

[1:21:08] Voice 18: since comments have been made would you like me to respond to those right now or do you want to

[1:21:13] Voice 18: sure or just do you want to make the emotions and then let's

[1:21:18] Trustee Patrick: move on we'll go through discussion

[1:21:20] Trustee Patrick: okay

[1:21:20] Voice 2: so sorry can i can i interrupt for a minute why are we doing this why don't we leave this for

[1:21:25] Voice 2: the next ltc to do it because they're going to do it anyway this

[1:21:29] Trustee Patrick: is a bit of a housekeeping

[1:21:30] Trustee Patrick: Peter, think of this as a gift to the next trust council,

[1:21:33] Trustee Patrick: trust council, next LTC.

[1:21:36] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[1:21:36] Voice 2: we'll simplify their lives.

[1:21:39] Trustee Patrick: You're doing, yeah, you're giving them something

[1:21:41] Trustee Patrick: that makes some sense.

[1:21:43] Trustee Patrick: So sorry

[1:21:44] Voice 8: to make you

[1:21:45] Trustee Patrick: go through this,

[1:21:45] Trustee Patrick: but we're using your minds to do this.

[1:21:48] Trustee Patrick: So the item about community to community.

[1:21:51] Trustee Patrick: So let's discuss that one.

[1:21:53] Voice 18: So my recommendation was to remove this one,

[1:21:56] Voice 18: not because this is an importance,

[1:21:57] Voice 18: but because it's not a project.

[1:22:00] Voice 18: A project is something that has a specific deliverable,

[1:22:04] Voice 18: like, and a deliverable is a document or an event,

[1:22:09] Voice 18: or as I've listed here, a process.

[1:22:12] Voice 18: So relationship building is a goal or an objective,

[1:22:16] Voice 18: but it's not a project.

[1:22:18] Voice 18: And so having a meal or a boat tour, those are projects.

[1:22:26] Voice 18: and so um that's that's the purpose of that um that recommendation on my part if you could

[1:22:36] Voice 18: further you could further address this item by refining it by by identifying a deliverable if

[1:22:43] Voice 18: you prefer to do that so that's my rationale on that one um do you want me to do the next one

[1:22:49] Voice 18: i

[1:22:49] Voice 6: just want to speak to that one because i believe that the reason this this item

[1:22:55] Voice 6: The reason this item says community to community on it is because the LTC applied for the community to many grant from the UBCM weren't able to set anything up in in the timeframe of the grant and so the ground went back, you know, and I think that

[1:23:17] Voice 6: that's why it's identified here as community community because i think the idea was that

[1:23:21] Voice 6: when we had staff capacity that we would like to go back and try and reapply for that granting

[1:23:30] Voice 6: to fund some kind of a deliverable it would be an event or some kind of gathering with

[1:23:36] Voice 6: with first nation so i i believe that's why i believe that's actually how it got on that list

[1:23:42] Voice 6: is because we had applied for the grant and then it just within the granting time frame we just

[1:23:49] Voice 6: weren't able to actually accomplish that so I mean I think

[1:23:53] Voice 6: it's still a worthy goal whether or not

[1:23:55] Voice 6: we're going to be able you know I'm not going to magically have more staff time up here but I

[1:24:02] Voice 6: think that's why it's there well

[1:24:05] Trustee Patrick: then the event or activity would be to apply for a community

[1:24:09] Trustee Patrick: did you pay the grant for a community function or something like

[1:24:13] Voice 18: that it could be but also when you

[1:24:17] Voice 18: apply for a grant they're going to want to know which activity you're trying to find

[1:24:20] Voice 10: so it's not

[1:24:21] Voice 18: a bad idea to identify that ahead of

[1:24:24] Trustee Patrick: time well it's just on the projects list so yeah that would

[1:24:27] Trustee Patrick: be a project in itself is to figure out what activity you're doing that's true and i think

[1:24:33] Voice 6: i also just think that given the sort of emerging relationships that we're starting to to be able

[1:24:40] Voice 6: to to building you know a lot of it through this archaeological project but i i think it that it

[1:24:46] Voice 6: might be more doable for us to actually set up an event um that that grant funding would be useful

[1:24:54] Voice 6: to you know like i'd like to see the ltc at least consider doing you know applying for the grant

[1:25:01] Voice 6: again because i think at the time this went on the list we didn't really have any of the

[1:25:06] Voice 6: relationships that are emerging now um you know through this archaeological project so

[1:25:12] Voice 6: i think i think it's it's it's worthy of just leaving it on there and and seeing if that can

[1:25:18] Voice 6: happen um in the future is

[1:25:21] Voice 18: it is it worth amending it to identify the grant application as your

[1:25:25] Voice 18: deliverable?

[1:25:26] Voice 6: Sure. Okay. I

[1:25:28] Voice 6: mean, I think because I know that's how it got on there. Yeah. Because

[1:25:33] Voice 6: it was that UBCM grant.

[1:25:35] Voice 2: And I support leaving it on. And unless it's changed, it must involve

[1:25:41] Voice 2: local governments meeting together. It can involve other people. But First Nations Chief

[1:25:47] Voice 2: and Council, the Skideon Local Trust Committee, regional district boards. So they have to be

[1:25:55] Voice 2: involved that's that's the was the core of the funding okay

[1:26:02] Trustee Patrick: so did you want to make a motion to

[1:26:06] Trustee Patrick: amend this to refer to the community grant application and to be and to be retained on

[1:26:16] Trustee Patrick: the list sure i'll

[1:26:17] Voice 2: move that well

[1:26:21] Trustee Patrick: he's being tricky so catherine that was a sly resolution

[1:26:26] Trustee Patrick: resolution there on Peter's part so but the LCC

[1:26:30] Voice 15: um so does for the resolution does Peter want me

[1:26:36] Voice 15: to include First Nations chief and council the LTC or is that a separate okay this is just the

[1:26:42] Voice 15: community to Community Grant yeah

[1:26:45] Trustee Patrick: so this is in reference to the table all we're going to do is

[1:26:48] Trustee Patrick: make resolutions that change this table or we don't agree so the reference would be to the

[1:26:55] Trustee Patrick: the table in this dated staff report which

[1:26:59] Voice 15: is the um the project's list

[1:27:05] Trustee Patrick: but it's yeah so make reference to it as contained in the august 29th staff report okay august

[1:27:16] Voice 18: 29th

[1:27:17] Voice 18: staff report i'm

[1:27:19] Trustee Patrick: sure there's not one word to items on them

[1:27:20] Voice 18: i know i'm just glad that

[1:27:22] Trustee Patrick: be helpful number items would have helped but um so could i

[1:27:26] Voice 15: word it that it's involving the

[1:27:28] Voice 15: projects list as in the august 29th staff report include community to community grant application

[1:27:38] Voice 15: and

[1:27:39] Trustee Patrick: retain in the projects list and

[1:27:42] Voice 15: retain in the projects list okay i

[1:27:45] Trustee Patrick: think that works

[1:27:46] Trustee Patrick: that will do it okay peter are you happy

[1:27:48] Trustee Patrick: with that motion yes is there a second second by

[1:27:53] Trustee Patrick: by trustee peterson any discussion call about then all those in favor and that's carried so then the

[1:28:03] Trustee Patrick: next removal is the next one on the community shoreline values what's the yeah

[1:28:10] Voice 18: so my response

[1:28:10] Voice 18: to that is that that this is the ltc's project list and it and it assumes that there will be

[1:28:19] Voice 18: ltc or staff work involved in it um it isn't to say that a project of this type isn't valuable

[1:28:26] Voice 18: or couldn't inform the ltc but the project list the purpose of it is what's the ltc and our staff

[1:28:33] Voice 18: going to be working on in the future on behalf of the ltc so um yeah if it doesn't include those

[1:28:40] Voice 18: things

[1:28:40] Voice 8: then it's not appropriately on their list go ahead

[1:28:48] Voice 6: yeah i'm just looking at these two items

[1:28:51] Voice 6: the community shoreline values mapping and the scotty bay shoreline management plan annual staff

[1:29:00] Voice 6: is recommending that if this type of project is identified it might be more useful to call

[1:29:05] Voice 6: it a luskete island shore management management plan so i can kind of see

[1:29:11] Voice 6: both of these items merging into one project because they're both about shoreline values

[1:29:19] Voice 6: values and and I think that that you know that leads you assess the values and then that might

[1:29:27] Voice 6: and do some mapping and then that might lead into a management plan down the road but as discreet

[1:29:33] Voice 6: items they don't I think it makes more sense yes as one one project and

[1:29:39] Voice 18: that's and that's what's

[1:29:40] Voice 18: been identified on my

[1:29:42] Voice 6: recommended list for you

[1:29:43] Voice 6: so i'm i'm i'm what i would say

[1:29:47] Voice 6: with the community shoreline values mapping is that that should be folded into the

[1:29:55] Voice 6: proposed leskeetee island shoreline management plan should include

[1:30:00] Voice 6: the shoreline values mapping and the scotty bay management plan should all be one project that

[1:30:06] Voice 6: makes more sense before

[1:30:08] Trustee Patrick: we make any motions peter did that make sense to you um

[1:30:13] Voice 2: it does i i think it

[1:30:15] Voice 2: complicates it some people the the scotty bay plan was originally for moorings i mean there is a

[1:30:21] Voice 2: public access to the bay already it's not likely to change easily uh it was for moorings it's the

[1:30:29] Voice 2: It's the most sheltered bay, it's oversubscribed,

[1:30:33] Voice 2: and there are conflicts in there.

[1:30:37] Voice 2: It can be done.

[1:30:38] Voice 2: And I wanna say that the first two years

[1:30:41] Voice 2: of the OCP project,

[1:30:43] Voice 2: when the community association took on the planning,

[1:30:45] Voice 2: that didn't use any trust staff,

[1:30:47] Voice 2: that didn't use any trust funds.

[1:30:50] Voice 2: That was the community doing it.

[1:30:51] Voice 2: And the trust is so limited

[1:30:55] Voice 2: in the amount of work that can be done.

[1:30:58] Voice 2: and it it's the community needs to take charge of some of this and i mean by doing the work

[1:31:05] Voice 2: it obviously can't adopt plans but it can do some of the footwork and and say this is what

[1:31:12] Voice 2: the community thinks is a good idea present that to the local trust committee have staff

[1:31:18] Voice 2: planners uh put it in a form that that's uh standard and agreeable and acceptable to everyone

[1:31:23] Voice 2: one so that's sounds like a great project

[1:31:27] Voice 2: for a retired trustee to head up it does doesn't it

[1:31:31] Voice 2: we got lots of retired trustees here

[1:31:33] Voice 2: and there's lots of people interested in the shoreline interested absolutely yeah

[1:31:41] Voice 5: yeah okay so as far as a uh

[1:31:50] Voice 6: resolution god yeah i really wish these did have numbers

[1:31:54] Voice 6: um i will go ahead and move that the community shoreline values mapping project and the scotty

[1:32:05] Voice 6: bay shoreline management plan project um the amalgamated into a luskete island shoreline

[1:32:18] Voice 8: management plan on the project list

[1:32:32] Voice 8: when you're brave katherine okay

[1:32:43] Voice 15: um that the ltc request

[1:32:46] Voice 15: that the community shoreline values mapping project and the scotty bay shoreline management

[1:32:53] Voice 15: plan project be amalgamated into a liscuiti island shoreline management plan project on the

[1:33:01] Voice 15: the projects list you did great is that seconded

[1:33:05] Voice 2: by me all right i

[1:33:08] Trustee Patrick: think so is

[1:33:09] Voice 2: there a discussion

[1:33:12] Voice 2: sorry i i don't want to second it i don't support it oh i okay sorry

[1:33:17] Trustee Patrick: i'll second it for discussion

[1:33:18] Trustee Patrick: purposes then so why

[1:33:20] Voice 2: don't you support it i i think it complicates both projects and it makes

[1:33:25] Voice 2: it less likely to happen i think the two are quite different and scotty bait is where there's a

[1:33:31] Voice 2: a problem now uh and you know that whatever we learn there it's the people there who have a

[1:33:38] Voice 2: stake in it working it out we can apply to other areas when they came out the uh the values mapping

[1:33:44] Voice 2: is a very forward looking in in coming years uh what what what should we request we have a

[1:33:53] Voice 2: sorry the local trust committee have a map of suggested accesses to the foreshore that when

[1:34:02] Voice 2: when the subdivision is applied for upland of that,

[1:34:06] Voice 2: that we let the ministry know that this is something

[1:34:09] Voice 2: that we, the community, think would be a good access

[1:34:12] Voice 2: and should be requested from the subdividers for whatever reason,

[1:34:18] Voice 2: because there's great clam and oyster beaches there,

[1:34:21] Voice 2: great swimming beach, scenic, because it's a great anchorage,

[1:34:25] Voice 2: because it's a good place to put a community dock

[1:34:29] Voice 2: or a shared private dock.

[1:34:33] Voice 2: So I just think it's it complicates it too much to roll them together and to make them both island wide

[1:34:41] Trustee Patrick: Is there can

[1:34:43] Trustee Patrick: Can the notes of the two discrete issues be listed underneath that?

[1:34:50] Trustee Patrick: So in the projects list those two items would be protected for information purposes

[1:34:57] Trustee Patrick: So a future trust committee could decide

[1:35:00] Trustee Patrick: decide how it wants to tackle that project, if they want to make it a, you know, an overall aim for a shoreline management plan, or whatever that was called, yeah, or keep them as discrete projects. So the

[1:35:18] Trustee Patrick: information will all be there.

[1:35:19] Trustee Patrick: Because there's bullets under

[1:35:20] Voice 6: the Liskiti management plan.

[1:35:22] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, because I do know, I think Keats Island has gone to a shoreline management plan.

[1:35:29] Trustee Patrick: Thetis has been in very early conversations of just understanding the problem because

[1:35:36] Trustee Patrick: that part of shoreline management is, is it individual issues or is it a general project

[1:35:42] Trustee Patrick: and watching what's happening on Keats. So there is work coming through and sort of

[1:35:48] Trustee Patrick: of approach that's being created.

[1:35:50] Trustee Patrick: But so like I said, it doesn't keep it

[1:35:52] Trustee Patrick: from being discrete projects, Peter,

[1:35:54] Trustee Patrick: the way it will be presented in the list,

[1:35:56] Trustee Patrick: just sub bullets to a shoreline management plan

[1:36:00] Trustee Patrick: that future trustees could do as a big project

[1:36:03] Trustee Patrick: or break into small projects.

[1:36:08] Voice 2: Oops, you're muted.

[1:36:09] Voice 2: I suspect it's going to take a few communities members

[1:36:14] Voice 2: with energy to do it, to just go ahead and do it,

[1:36:17] Voice 2: cooperating with whoever is on the local trust committee and making sure they they understand

[1:36:23] Voice 2: and and don't object and will support whatever the outcome is you know the obviously the people

[1:36:29] Voice 2: who live around scotty bay and the people who have boats there have the most interest in sorting that

[1:36:35] Voice 2: out

[1:36:36] Trustee Patrick: okay

[1:36:37] Voice 18: yeah i will i will just kind of repeat that there's nothing keeping any community member

[1:36:43] Voice 18: from taking on a project like this, you know, the difference between this, what I'm hearing

[1:36:49] Voice 18: and the Liskiti Community Association effort was that the LTC initiated an OCP project

[1:36:57] Voice 18: before the Liskiti Community Association did their work, so knowing that it would go back

[1:37:03] Voice 18: to the LTC, right, what I'm hearing is that the mapping project might come back to the

[1:37:10] Voice 18: ltc but it's not initiated by them or on their work program and that's that's the difference

[1:37:17] Voice 18: it could

[1:37:19] Voice 2: be if it was on the work plan you know it i don't think anyone would undertake

[1:37:26] Voice 2: it much great work unless they got fairly good assurance that the ltc would do something with it

[1:37:31] Voice 2: would support it

[1:37:34] Voice 8: yeah

[1:37:35] Voice 6: so my question was just about um just to refresh my memory

[1:37:42] Voice 6: what level of jurisdiction in in real terms does the ltc have for things like

[1:37:50] Voice 6: uh managing more more employees and road access into the shoreline in scotty bay like what actual

[1:37:58] Voice 6: yeah what do we have i

[1:38:00] Voice 18: mean you have zoning power so you can you can regulate more employees with

[1:38:05] Voice 18: zoning because you can zone the surface of the water okay um you can also um you have some

[1:38:16] Voice 18: power over roads in the sense that through your land use bylaw you can provide subdivision

[1:38:24] Voice 18: servicing um regulations so for you in your bylaw you could say there must be a road or you could

[1:38:32] Voice 18: say the road um the road needs to be accessed by two different properties or there's certain

[1:38:38] Voice 18: things you could do with that in the end moti would still be able to sort of override you

[1:38:44] Voice 18: if they're owning the right-of-way and it's going to have to meet their standards but there are

[1:38:49] Voice 18: are still some like um like the fact that you can say a doc has to be community uh a community doc

[1:38:57] Voice 18: or a community if it's a community doctor it can be this big but if it's a private doctor it can

[1:39:02] Voice 18: only be this big so there are some things that you can do with the shoreline with your zoning bylaw

[1:39:09] Voice 18: so

[1:39:12] Trustee Patrick: like so right so our recommendation basically is putting those two projects

[1:39:16] Trustee Patrick: some bullets underneath a shoreline management plan it's just it's a housekeeping exercise if

[1:39:23] Trustee Patrick: you want to think about that one so any further discussion i'll call the vote then all those in

[1:39:34] Trustee Patrick: favor all those opposed that

[1:39:38] Voice 8: carries so are there any other changes to the um list then

[1:39:49] Voice 5: that's it

[1:39:49] Voice 6: no i i do uh i just mentioned that um i've had uh talking about public access to the

[1:39:59] Voice 6: foreshore i brought it up at the uh regional planning the regional planning committee the

[1:40:06] Voice 6: other day uh because i've been actually getting a bunch of requests from people trying to find

[1:40:10] Voice 6: mapping so various it seems that various uh in the islands that are in the crd get have had mapping

[1:40:19] Voice 6: and some islands have actual management of um of the uh public accesses to the foreshore

[1:40:28] Voice 6: that was a galliano that has the partner parks department or something anyway parts of the crd

[1:40:34] Voice 6: and then so that's in the in the crd um denman someone from denman told me that they got mapping

[1:40:41] Voice 6: to direct from moti so i've actually put a request in to uh the ministry and cc'd our mla to request

[1:40:50] Voice 6: access to to good mapping for the public access for sure so that's a resource that if when people

[1:40:58] Voice 6: because you know people come and say hey how do i know where these are and i'm i i don't know so i

[1:41:05] Voice 6: i've made some steps to try and get that information available for when people ask

[1:41:10] Voice 19: because it

[1:41:10] Voice 8: isn't in our adam's trust mapping that i could find all right so is

[1:41:20] Trustee Patrick: there any other

[1:41:21] Voice 8: feedback you need on the projects list i don't right so according to our agenda

[1:41:32] Trustee Patrick: we have a break

[1:41:36] Trustee Patrick: Is that taken seriously?

[1:41:38] Trustee Patrick: We're going to have a break.

[1:41:39] Voice 2: I need some food.

[1:41:42] Trustee Patrick: It's taken very seriously.

[1:41:44] Trustee Patrick: You've got to feed Peter.

[1:41:45] Voice 6: All right.

[1:41:46] Voice 6: And William hasn't shown up, right?

[1:41:49] Voice 2: So, yeah.

[1:41:50] Voice 2: I assume

[1:41:51] Voice 2: that he's going to turn up at 1.20, you know, at the end of the break.

[1:41:56] Voice 2: Well,

[1:41:57] Trustee Patrick: we can try to send him.

[1:42:00] Trustee Patrick: We'll try to send him to you.

[1:42:02] Trustee Patrick: You're online?

[1:42:03] Voice 18: I am, yeah.

[1:42:04] Voice 18: yeah yeah okay

[1:42:05] Trustee Patrick: so then we'll take a 20 minute break i guess till just uh to 103 i guess or

[1:42:12] Trustee Patrick: 103 okay sure all right

[1:42:15] Voice 2: so 20 minute break

[1:42:17] Trustee Patrick: okay

[1:42:18] Voice 2: thank you thank

[1:42:20] Trustee Patrick: you okay

[1:42:22] Voice 2: hello

[1:42:24] Trustee Patrick: william thanks for joining us we were just taking a brief break and getting ready to get

[1:42:30] Trustee Patrick: get started again here in a minute, literally,

[1:42:35] Trustee Patrick: unless you are ready.

[1:42:36] Voice 12: Hello, can you hear me?

[1:42:38] Trustee Patrick: I can.

[1:42:39] Trustee Patrick: Peter, are you ready to get going again, Peter?

[1:42:44] Voice 2: I mean, I am.

[1:42:46] Trustee Patrick: I am, all right, thank you.

[1:42:49] Trustee Patrick: All right, well, I'm gonna call the meeting back to order.

[1:42:51] Trustee Patrick: We just had a brief break,

[1:42:53] Trustee Patrick: and we're on to the next item,

[1:42:55] Trustee Patrick: which is 9.3 on the agenda,

[1:42:57] Trustee Patrick: which is the Fresh Water Project,

[1:42:59] Trustee Patrick: project beginning on page 209 of the staff report and we have a staff member William

[1:43:04] Trustee Patrick: Shula who has joined us and uh forwards over to you William okay

[1:43:12] Voice 12: thank you uh uh chair Patrick

[1:43:14] Voice 12: um so I am speaking to you today about the um Liskety um of the freshwater uh projects related

[1:43:26] Voice 12: related to Liskety Island.

[1:43:28] Voice 12: And I have written a memo that has summed up

[1:43:36] Voice 12: the resolutions that the Local Trust Committee

[1:43:41] Voice 12: has resolved in the last four or so years

[1:43:48] Voice 12: regarding freshwater resources.

[1:43:52] Voice 12: Sorry, I'm just like filibustering here for a second.

[1:43:55] Voice 12: And for some reason, I got sent to the top of the agenda package, and this is a doozy in front of you today.

[1:44:02] Voice 12: Okay, there we go.

[1:44:03] Voice 17: I'm back there.

[1:44:04] Voice 12: So first, I would like to speak to – well, I'm going to trust that the Local Trust Committee has read the memo, so I don't want to rehash it out.

[1:44:15] Voice 12: But I will speak to the five items that I proposed in the bullets under the purpose.

[1:44:24] Voice 12: So first, the aquifer conceptualization and groundwater recharge is a project of the regional planning committee.

[1:44:34] Voice 12: And it's been through several phases now.

[1:44:39] Voice 12: And the first phase was looking at the southern Gulf Islands.

[1:44:42] Voice 12: And then the second, I wouldn't call maybe not phase, but the second round or step was looking at Demin, Hornby and Gabriola.

[1:44:52] Voice 12: And now this year, we are completing our work on Salspring Island and working on Thetis, as well as the Howe Sound, and included in that is Laskiti Island.

[1:45:03] Voice 12: And so that project has been through a procurement process, and GW Solutions out of the NIMO is the proponent of that work.

[1:45:16] Voice 12: And so specifically on Lusketi Island, we will be determining groundwater recharge potential across the island, which is going to be somewhat unique because of the unique geology of Lusketi Island.

[1:45:29] Voice 12: And also, we are expanding the project a little bit to consider having a detailed look at wet areas and wetlands with respect to this project.

[1:45:45] Voice 12: That has been an area of interest from the Liskiti Conservancy, as well as it's a benefit

[1:46:01] Voice 12: to the island to look at the surface water resources in depth due to the usage for micro

[1:46:09] Voice 12: hydropower as well as the pretty prolific drinking water source for the islands.

[1:46:15] Voice 12: So that's really exciting project. And as I have mentioned in my next steps, which we can scroll to after my little summary, and I'll maybe field questions project by project.

[1:46:32] Voice 12: In the meantime, that I will be presenting back to the local trust committee. Once that project starts showing some deliverables and they're presented back to the regional planning committee.

[1:46:43] Voice 12: and that's likely going to be in the next term um but before the end of the fiscal year uh so if um

[1:46:51] Voice 12: the local trust committee has any questions relating to the recharge mapping project i can

[1:46:57] Voice 12: field them now and hopefully you can hear me okay yeah

[1:47:01] Trustee Patrick: we can hear you fine do you have any

[1:47:03] Trustee Patrick: questions for on the this first project can

[1:47:09] Voice 2: i'm i'm not exactly clear out william on what it is

[1:47:12] Voice 2: Are you looking at the wetlands and areas that through which water, surface water becomes groundwater on Luskeetee?

[1:47:21] Voice 2: It's retained, is

[1:47:22] Voice 12: that what it is?

[1:47:23] Voice 12: Yeah, so actually you summed it up quite well.

[1:47:28] Voice 12: So the intention of the project is to quantify and spatially identify areas of groundwater potential.

[1:47:36] Voice 12: One of the methods there is using sentinel data which is satellite data to identify those areas that have preferential discharge or those areas that are like that stay wet through the majority of the year.

[1:47:54] Voice 12: and and so it's a intricate component of of the of the the method to determining groundwater

[1:48:02] Voice 12: recharge potential we haven't really highlighted it so much on other islands so we're going to

[1:48:09] Voice 12: take the opportunity in this round to to highlight it and and to and do a little bit more analysis on

[1:48:15] Voice 12: it um for liskiti just because it's um it's it's such a unique data set for uh and i think it's

[1:48:23] Voice 12: going to match the uniqueness of luskete island's geology and and and then

[1:48:27] Voice 12: there has been mapping of

[1:48:29] Voice 12: wetlands in the past on luskete and we can uh cross-reference those uh like field studies with

[1:48:37] Voice 12: our mapping study yeah and um yeah so i i'm i'm i'm interested to see what that yields and so um

[1:48:49] Voice 12: If I'm looking at next steps, my first next step is to report back to the LTC on this

[1:48:56] Voice 12: project once we have some data and also with dates of the formal presentation at the end

[1:49:04] Voice 12: of that project, which will be a webinar based.

[1:49:08] Voice 12: And then there's number four, which is if the LTC wishes to engage more in the watershed

[1:49:14] Voice 12: Resilience mapping that we did preemptively for the Healthy Watershed Initiative for Leskeetee.

[1:49:21] Voice 12: If the LTC wishes...

[1:49:23] Voice 12: Is

[1:49:30] Voice 8: it our Wi-Fi?

[1:49:32] Voice 8: William?

[1:49:33] Voice 8: Yeah, William?

[1:49:37] Voice 8: William

[1:49:38] Voice 2: has faded out of my computer too.

[1:49:41] Voice 8: Yep.

[1:49:45] Voice 8: William, we're showing you present but not hearing you.

[1:49:49] Trustee Patrick: He's

[1:49:51] Voice 2: a great ventriloquist. He hasn't moved his lips a bit.

[1:49:55] Trustee Patrick: hopefully he isn't deep in conversation

[1:50:01] Voice 12: oh

[1:50:02] Trustee Patrick: are you william we lost you for a couple minutes there oh

[1:50:08] Voice 12: a couple minutes

[1:50:13] Voice 12: yeah i think i think i noticed when i fell off there that's quite weird sorry about that

[1:50:18] Voice 12: um yeah so if if the if the um if the ltc wishes me to uh just present back on the

[1:50:25] Voice 12: watershed resilience mapping i can do that which is the covering memo describing what it is

[1:50:29] Voice 12: um but i'm doing a little bit more detailed analysis for the uh for the liskiti uh

[1:50:38] Voice 12: conservancy's newsletter which will include both of them um yeah like sorry that got a little

[1:50:44] Voice 12: complex there but but they're all kind of related that's why

[1:50:50] Voice 2: do you can i ask another question yes

[1:50:53] Trustee Patrick: please do.

[1:50:54] Voice 2: Is there anticipated any follow-up from this you know like sorry you know approaching

[1:51:05] Voice 2: community and landowners with valuable wetlands and and letting them know the value of them or

[1:51:11] Voice 2: any kind of regulatory control over because what we tend to do with wetlands is either dig a pond

[1:51:19] Voice 2: in them or drain them

[1:51:20] Voice 12: yeah

[1:51:22] Voice 2: i'm william

[1:51:28] Trustee Patrick: we're losing you again i don't know if that's

[1:51:30] Trustee Patrick: our side but peter's coming in strong william

[1:51:42] Voice 8: about that connected coast project

[1:51:54] Voice 8: i

[1:51:54] Trustee Patrick: think it's on your end william because uh we lost you again for about a minute

[1:52:05] Voice 12: oh i don't know what i i i have full connectivity i'm not sure what's happening but sorry about

[1:52:12] Voice 12: that it could be we

[1:52:13] Voice 8: don't know yeah

[1:52:16] Voice 12: um let me just check one thing try that maybe that maybe

[1:52:24] Voice 12: that'll be better um so yeah uh apologies for that let me just try that that might be a lot better um

[1:52:35] Voice 12: oh okay so sorry about that um yeah there's there's several options that that can arise from

[1:52:42] Voice 12: not only the wet areas mapping but the uh groundwater uh recharge mapping which would be

[1:52:49] Voice 12: a decision of the ltc to continue like the groundwater recharge mapping is

[1:52:53] Voice 12: more of a federal-wide project run through the regional planning committee but if the ltc chooses

[1:53:00] Voice 12: to do more advocacy work or um or or even like uh on island regulation um i mean there's a few

[1:53:11] Voice 12: things that can happen that that the uh ltc can can uh request the regional planning committee

[1:53:18] Voice 12: to consider something about the project or they can take on a project themselves and

[1:53:22] Voice 12: imagine that'd be a question and take on with the

[1:53:25] Voice 17: regional planning manager okay

[1:53:34] Voice 12: are

[1:53:37] Voice 8: you there yeah

[1:53:40] Voice 12: yeah so i'm here yeah making

[1:53:42] Voice 8: funny sounds now yeah

[1:53:46] Voice 12: yeah yeah all right

[1:53:48] Voice 12: okay okay

[1:53:50] Voice 8: so the next next project uh

[1:53:53] Voice 12: yep let's do that so the next project

[1:53:56] Voice 12: is the agricultural water demand model for Liskety Island and I

[1:54:00] Voice 12: apologize for this I

[1:54:01] Voice 12: um I I knew this project was ongoing and I was like surprised it's taking so long for it to be

[1:54:08] Voice 12: published on the Ministry of Agriculture's website um but then when I finally got in contact with the

[1:54:15] Voice 12: water manager or the water engineer there um she kindly pointed me towards the uh the agricultural

[1:54:22] Voice 12: water demand that includes that is is catholic so it liskiti island was included in that i

[1:54:28] Voice 12: i don't know why i was assuming liskiti island was just going to get their own

[1:54:31] Voice 12: water uh their their model but it it's there and i sent the liskiti uh i sent the ltc a link to

[1:54:41] Voice 12: it's um uh to to that project so if if the um yeah so uh so the next steps i had this was

[1:54:53] Voice 12: i made the next next steps before i heard back from the ministry so um i have updated the ltc

[1:55:01] Voice 12: when the response was heard from the ministry um if the ltc would like anything more than this i

[1:55:07] Voice 12: I think that, like, I think one of the planners was kind of, like, the lead in negotiating the initial terms of this project.

[1:55:16] Voice 12: So I'm happy to support if the LTC has any additional wishes to understand more about the agricultural water demand model for CAFET.

[1:55:28] Voice 12: I found it was pretty basic just because it was such a regional approach.

[1:55:33] Voice 12: approach, and Mesquite was a small landmass compared to the entire regional district, but

[1:55:37] Voice 12: nonetheless, it was good work, and they implemented the model. I'll leave it at that,

[1:55:44] Voice 12: if there's any questions.

[1:55:47] Voice 2: Could you say a few minutes, a few words about, I downloaded and had

[1:55:52] Voice 2: a very brief look at it, and to tell you the truth, it wasn't immediately obvious what it was

[1:55:58] Voice 2: about and what information it had on it yeah

[1:56:02] Voice 12: um i i will kind of agree with that sentiment it

[1:56:06] Voice 12: uh it's like it i i find that the agricultural water demands were were useful for when um

[1:56:18] Voice 12: when the like say when the islands trust has done uh water water budgets so we we did

[1:56:24] Voice 12: groundwater availability assessments for the southern gulf islands which

[1:56:28] Voice 12: um still have their challenges uh the agricultural water demand model for salt spring islands was

[1:56:34] Voice 12: used for um in a project for the western lake uh water availability study and and that proved

[1:56:43] Voice 12: useful so i think it's it's i think it's more about presenting the data and presenting the

[1:56:48] Voice 12: model rather than providing um detailed insight to to water demand um like the conclusions thereof

[1:56:58] Voice 12: that's what i got from the from the cathet uh one in particular there's other uh um

[1:57:06] Voice 12: agricultural water demands that that the reports were way more involved so i found this one was

[1:57:11] Voice 12: a little bit on the light side so um i i would like to uh arrange a staff-to-staff meeting with

[1:57:19] Voice 12: the ministry of agriculture just to learn a little bit more about the agricultural water

[1:57:24] Voice 12: demand model specifically the one for cathet and then um and then go from there so i i have i have

[1:57:31] Voice 12: a little i have more to learn on that one yeah i just took a cursory view because i only

[1:57:38] Voice 12: was made aware of it like a few days ago all right any other questions on that piece

[1:57:46] Trustee Patrick: Otherwise, on to the Healthy Watersheds Initiative, Pete's Lake.

[1:57:52] Voice 12: Yeah, okay.

[1:57:54] Voice 12: So the Healthy Watersheds Initiative project was a project that was initiated in late 2019, early 2020.

[1:58:04] Voice 12: And it is the project that funded the Island Stress Freshwater Sustainability Strategy.

[1:58:10] Voice 12: and part of that project was to identify projects that were implementation demonstration projects

[1:58:19] Voice 12: they called them to facilitate not only I guess a a project an embedded project under a larger

[1:58:33] Voice 12: umbrella strategy but also to provide community-based pandemic relief funding

[1:58:43] Voice 12: was kind of like a big part of the and so the the project team that was

[1:58:55] Voice 12: developing the island stress freshwater sustainability strategy identified a

[1:59:00] Voice 12: handful of projects that were either ongoing or shovel ready or seemed like

[1:59:07] Voice 12: they could um benefit from accepting a pretty substantial funding contribution from this fund

[1:59:17] Voice 12: and the pete's lake water user society was um a pro like was a an initiative or a project that

[1:59:24] Voice 12: i was working with um and that the ltc passed resolutions on in

[1:59:30] Voice 17: it and and

[1:59:30] Voice 12: they were performing

[1:59:32] Voice 12: the same type of on-island water quality testing similar to the Hornby water

[1:59:40] Voice 12: stewardship who was the like kind of the sister project to this and and my

[1:59:46] Voice 12: intention was on like the thin amount of budget and the thin amount of capacity

[1:59:52] Voice 12: that I had was to run these projects mostly in parallel hopefully to like

[1:59:59] Voice 12: create

[2:00:00] Voice 12: some collaboration across that little Strait of the Salish Sea.

[2:00:06] Voice 12: So, of course, the build-up to the project was quite nebulous,

[2:00:13] Voice 12: but the Hornby project and the Lusketeer project were talking the same speak.

[2:00:18] Voice 12: They were both using the Blue Water Biosciences water testing kits,

[2:00:23] Voice 12: and the intention was to try to identify areas of the Peat's Lake water system

[2:00:30] Voice 12: that

[2:00:30] Voice 13: had

[2:00:32] Voice 12: problems with bacteriological contaminants,

[2:00:39] Voice 12: mostly E. coli and coliforms.

[2:00:43] Voice 12: So the way that Islands Trust was to facilitate this funding

[2:00:49] Voice 12: was to engage into a contract with the receiving

[2:00:55] Voice 12: water champion organization on island.

[2:00:58] Voice 12: And so the project went through the funding stage to the funders where the Peetslake project was summarized to the funders.

[2:01:10] Voice 17: And

[2:01:10] Voice 12: then it went through the whole process.

[2:01:14] Voice 12: And then when Peetslake Water Users Society got their contract, they had a meeting and they chose to not engage in the contract.

[2:01:22] Voice 12: So then at that time, there was no funding, and the alternative from the society was to uptake this with individuals, which wasn't really possible because the funding needed to go to a community-based organization.

[2:01:40] Voice 13: So it

[2:01:42] Voice 12: essentially stopped the project.

[2:01:44] Voice 12: And so that's that. So aside from the Healthy Watershed Initiative funding, which is like now has passed and it's actually sunsetting, the Hornby Water Stewardship is currently finishing their final report on the project.

[2:02:10] Voice 12: i'll be presenting that to the local trust committee very soon um so if as it as it is

[2:02:17] Voice 12: right now there's there's some loose ends that i have um that i was working with uh with the

[2:02:24] Voice 12: society i i did some significant investigation of their world water advisory with the um with

[2:02:33] Voice 12: Vancouver Island Health Authority an island health I guess so you know like I

[2:02:41] Voice 12: I was expecting through the process of the healthy watersheds initiative to

[2:02:45] Voice 12: kind of generate a report and an investigation that that was leading

[2:02:51] Voice 12: somewhere like either focused on the outcomes of the monitoring or focused on

[2:02:57] Voice 12: the challenges and opportunities with that type of monitoring if it would

[2:03:02] Voice 12: would actually start solving this boil water issue

[2:03:06] Voice 12: for the society.

[2:03:08] Voice 12: And largely my main focus was to facilitate movement

[2:03:17] Voice 12: for the essential infrastructure of Lusketea

[2:03:21] Voice 12: and the commercial users of Peace Lake Water Society

[2:03:24] Voice 12: and have a less focus on the domestic side.

[2:03:28] Voice 12: that i mean without without that dedicated work with the society i i just didn't have the capacity

[2:03:37] Voice 12: to try to pivot with them and and start a whole other conversation because that's not where the

[2:03:44] Voice 12: ship was sailing to so um i i at this point i would actually i'm i'm asking for the ltc's uh

[2:03:53] Voice 12: direction on this it's not direction you have to give me right now but it it's something where

[2:03:59] Voice 12: um like my kind of my work with or my advocacy role with uh peace lake water use society is

[2:04:07] Voice 12: has stalled and and so it's um i i look to the ltc to provide direction with that regard to

[2:04:14] Voice 12: defending it all so my update any

[2:04:18] Trustee Patrick: questions for william um

[2:04:22] Voice 6: so i have a question um that i didn't

[2:04:25] Voice 6: he uh addressed here is uh we had uh at one point uh asked i believe we asked you to look into the

[2:04:34] Voice 6: um the potential for requiring proof of potable water at time of subdivision i wonder if there's

[2:04:41] Voice 6: where that ended up um because i don't it's been a while

[2:04:46] Voice 8: since i've even thought about it so

[2:04:47] Voice 8: sorry

[2:04:55] Voice 12: i hit

[2:04:56] Voice 12: myself on mute there um so yeah the the proof of potable water um so what was happening

[2:05:03] Voice 12: is that work was being largely uh undertaken um by the salt spring local trust committee and and

[2:05:10] Voice 12: it's now um come to a point of maturity where the salt spring island local trust committee has

[2:05:16] Voice 12: ask us to come back with some some more information on I guess like the

[2:05:26] Voice 12: challenge we always have with planning is how to communicate it not only to the

[2:05:30] Voice 12: public but to the trustees themselves to make the decisions and I and so that's

[2:05:35] Voice 12: where that project is now the bylaw has gone through several back and forth with

[2:05:42] Voice 12: with the province.

[2:05:44] Voice 12: And so we believe we have a bylaw

[2:05:50] Voice 12: that has good options in it

[2:05:52] Voice 12: for any local trust committee to consider.

[2:05:55] Voice 12: I know that there's talk about the larger projects,

[2:06:00] Voice 12: the OCP and LUB project that Leskete was doing,

[2:06:03] Voice 12: and that proof of water may play a role in that.

[2:06:05] Voice 12: I'll be honest, I'm not part of that project,

[2:06:08] Voice 12: so I don't know.

[2:06:09] Voice 12: That would be something that either

[2:06:12] Voice 17: either a regional planning manager,

[2:06:15] Voice 12: a CalRecon announcer, or a planner.

[2:06:17] Voice 12: But I am interested in continuing on that work.

[2:06:20] Voice 12: And if the Luskete local trust committee

[2:06:23] Voice 12: wants to see the by-law that we've been developing

[2:06:26] Voice 12: for Salt Spring, we can generalize it a bit more,

[2:06:31] Voice 12: even provide options and present it,

[2:06:34] Voice 12: not even in a by-law form,

[2:06:35] Voice 12: just present it in a staff report,

[2:06:39] Voice 12: that that's something that can happen.

[2:06:42] Voice 12: I'm just not sure how the LTC sees that fitting into your current work plan.

[2:06:50] Voice 6: Yeah, I mean, I would see that as the LTC moves into the land use bylaw, that that information will be useful for us to consider.

[2:07:00] Voice 6: So I think it'd be great if the LTC got a look at that report. That'd be wonderful.

[2:07:05] Voice 6: uh

[2:07:06] Voice 12: okay um yeah i i can work with um with regional planning manager cower to to see how that looks

[2:07:16] Voice 12: and and how she feels it would be best to present it to the ltc either just by just like handing

[2:07:23] Voice 12: over the bylaw we did but i i think trustee patrick or chair patrick would would agree with

[2:07:28] Voice 12: me that there's some challenges with just taking a bylaw from developing one island and just

[2:07:34] Voice 12: flipping it to the other even though it was in the spirit of a more model type bylaw so um yeah i

[2:07:43] Voice 12: think that i like the staff report idea because i mean we can lay out the bylaw with its sections

[2:07:49] Voice 12: and and the options within like for example on salt spring island we have considered that shallow

[2:07:56] Voice 12: dug wells shouldn't be used for subdivision and and that's for reasons related to the hydrogeology

[2:08:02] Voice 12: and specific nature of salt spring island however on on islands like laskiti or damon and in certain

[2:08:09] Voice 12: regions of the island that's the only available water source so that obviously that that wouldn't

[2:08:15] Voice 12: work for the island

[2:08:16] Voice 13: so um

[2:08:17] Voice 12: it it it would be a a really interesting conversation of options with

[2:08:23] Voice 12: the ltc to then come back and draft maybe something that would look like a draft bylaw

[2:08:31] Voice 6: great uh thank you that i think that'd be great for the the new ltc to have and my other thoughts

[2:08:38] Voice 6: is just that um uh you know there's a lot of great information here and um again thinking

[2:08:47] Voice 6: post-election here um i don't know i'm i know you're super busy william but it'd be nice to

[2:08:55] Voice 6: have um the incoming ltc get a look at like this this report that you've that we're looking at

[2:09:03] Voice 6: today or this memo that we're looking at today and then maybe um have an opportunity to ask you

[2:09:09] Voice 6: some questions um you know post-election so i'm not sure how to manage that with william's time

[2:09:17] Voice 6: but just maybe maybe it's just a recommendation today new ltc to to request a session with

[2:09:24] Voice 6: william or something is maybe what i'm thinking yeah

[2:09:27] Voice 12: i i think that's a great idea indeed that's

[2:09:30] Voice 12: what happened with the handoff from the last ltc right like i

[2:09:33] Voice 12: i i just came and saw the

[2:09:36] Voice 12: the skiddy ltc just before that last election and and i think that's when the top priority was moved

[2:09:43] Voice 12: and then the new ltc kind of inherited i know that you're on you're you're both times um

[2:09:49] Voice 12: trustee peterson but um yeah so uh yeah um i i think that's that's a good idea and and and we

[2:10:02] Voice 12: can just have the ltc consider this memo and and and the next steps involved in that um you know

[2:10:11] Voice 12: like i i i mean i'll i kind of almost trouble with this but um i guess i'll be somewhat candid

[2:10:23] Voice 12: that like i am i believe there's there's more work to be done on pizza and and the

[2:10:31] Voice 12: boil water advisory specifically relating to um and and i'm just imagining that the

[2:10:39] Voice 12: problems still exist for the commercial users in town and the essential infrastructure where

[2:10:45] Voice 12: like they're not getting their operating permits or they're still under boil water advisory

[2:10:49] Voice 12: And there's a solution for them, and that solution may not involve the entire society, right?

[2:11:01] Voice 12: Like the solution for town may be adjacent to the ongoing operations of the domestic users.

[2:11:11] Voice 12: And I believe that's a discussion that can happen with the regional district if the LTC is willing.

[2:11:18] Voice 12: I think there's a lot more work there, so I think that's definitely a question for the next LTC to consider.

[2:11:27] Voice 12: And also, if this LTC wishes to provide any advice to the incoming LTC, I don't know if that happens often, but I mean, this LTC has seen a lot of this work.

[2:11:42] Voice 12: i

[2:11:44] Trustee Patrick: think probably i'll attempt to help you william then you can tell me if i'm crazy

[2:11:50] Trustee Patrick: um i know we're waiting for the for bc to come out with its uh updated strategy which is hopefully

[2:12:00] Trustee Patrick: next spring and part of that strategy relates to land use planning as well i think it's water use

[2:12:06] Trustee Patrick: and land use planning aren't separate things yeah as

[2:12:12] Trustee Patrick: much as we sometimes treat them like that

[2:12:15] Trustee Patrick: so i think we're in some ways waiting to see what the province is going to do and what funding it's

[2:12:20] Trustee Patrick: going to bring to the table that we can take advantage of of where you know where we begin

[2:12:26] Trustee Patrick: and they stop and so forth but the you know the two do relate you know how do we approve things

[2:12:31] Trustee Patrick: if we have a water district that can't serve or how you know the resource and how it's used

[2:12:37] Trustee Patrick: so i think there's a lot of exciting stuff coming and um and i think the clear direction is we need

[2:12:44] Trustee Patrick: more collaborative style planning relationship to water and land use on all of our islands

[2:12:53] Trustee Patrick: and it's only become acutely more important as we learn more and more about climate change.

[2:13:00] Voice 12: Yeah and I'll agree with that Chair Patrick and you know other southern more populated islands

[2:13:08] Voice 12: obviously have different challenges than Liskety and whenever I think of Liskety and the Boil

[2:13:14] Voice 12: water advisory in the future of the island like i'm like it's it's almost like the truest sense

[2:13:20] Voice 12: of the word of sustainability right like there's there's enough water and there's there's a

[2:13:27] Voice 12: community that's tight and and but there is

[2:13:31] Voice 12: a decade-long issue with the water source that

[2:13:35] Voice 12: has the potential to be solved and and i find that intriguing professionally um but also like i

[2:13:44] Voice 12: yeah yeah i

[2:13:47] Voice 17: i don't know i i

[2:13:48] Voice 12: guess i just don't want to say too much about my personal want to

[2:13:53] Voice 12: help the peach lake water users society so i i don't want my memo to come across that i'm

[2:13:59] Voice 12: want that i'm dismissive of it going forward i just wanted to be completely honest with the

[2:14:04] Voice 12: ltc that a project was stopped and and and that's where i am yeah any

[2:14:14] Trustee Patrick: questions any more questions i

[2:14:16] Trustee Patrick: you trust steve johnson i

[2:14:17] Voice 2: do uh can you explain that the boil water is the pete's lake water

[2:14:22] Voice 2: users society or all of its members under a boil water advisory this

[2:14:27] Voice 12: has been my understanding

[2:14:29] Voice 12: unless that has changed yeah they've been in a ball it's the one of the longest boil water

[2:14:34] Voice 12: advisories in the province this is what i'm yeah this is what i understand it to be

[2:14:40] Voice 2: and island

[2:14:40] Voice 2: Island Health wants them to have a treatment system and provide them with clean water.

[2:14:47] Voice 12: Okay, so that is the, there's like the simplest thing that Island Health wants to have drinking

[2:14:59] Voice 12: water safe, or the Ministry of Health, anywhere in the provinces, you put chlorine in it and

[2:15:04] Voice 12: they know it's safe.

[2:15:06] Voice 12: However, that type of treatment is likely either not feasible, not affordable.

[2:15:13] Voice 12: or not suitable for luskete so there are other options that that they can be undertaken and

[2:15:23] Voice 12: and and for those more clever and and likely more sustainable options there needs to be

[2:15:31] Voice 12: more analysis done on the water system to start understanding where like even where the pipes

[2:15:38] Voice 12: are at like there's it's hard to find a distribution map of of the of the society

[2:15:44] Voice 12: um like infrastructure there's like i've i have a hand-drawn map and and like a few of those you

[2:15:51] Voice 12: know so like it and and the

[2:15:54] Voice 12: monitoring was to identify issues within the distribution system

[2:15:58] Voice 12: the premise so um you know like perhaps there's only one area of the distribution system that's

[2:16:07] Voice 12: causing havoc for the whole thing and or there's there can be some other options like another

[2:16:15] Voice 12: license can be taken out of the lake and a dedicated line gets sent to the last resource

[2:16:20] Voice 12: society and that's where the distribution starts for the commercial center like there's there are

[2:16:26] Voice 12: options to explore most of them cost money um and and like i'm not i'm not i don't think i'm

[2:16:34] Voice 12: of speaking out of turn here when i am reflecting that the pizza lake water users society does not

[2:16:40] Voice 12: have the organizational capacity to take on those massive funding triggers uh because that's what

[2:16:48] Voice 12: they wrote to me in the letter for a twenty thousand dollar figure to do like i and i'm not

[2:16:53] Voice 12: certain if it was the money if it was the type of project that that that they didn't have the

[2:17:00] Voice 12: organizational capacity to undertake i i wasn't given that information so like there's there's a

[2:17:08] Voice 12: lot there right and and um albeit i i if the domestics if the domestic users want to say we

[2:17:17] Voice 12: got this we like our boil water advisory i mean that's that's difficult to argue with like whether

[2:17:24] Voice 12: or not like the methods that they're doing to keep that them and their family safe are being

[2:17:29] Voice 12: being then you know like shared amongst others and and other new families that come to Laskiti

[2:17:35] Voice 12: and that that happens in you know into the future that's fine but what I heard from the commercial

[2:17:41] Voice 12: users and the infrastructure in town is that like that like they don't want the boil water advisory

[2:17:46] Voice 12: like they would rather not and I and you know and I apologize if there has been significant movement

[2:17:54] Voice 12: in this I

[2:17:55] Voice 12: haven't been privy to the movement of the file for the last like six months eight months

[2:18:00] Voice 12: so um I I I'm not sure if it got better but that that was what I heard okay

[2:18:09] Voice 2: and okay and then I've

[2:18:11] Voice 2: noticed uh recently in the health center that there is no more uh warning about unpotable water

[2:18:17] Voice 2: coming out of the taps there's no uh presumably potable water provided in in water bottles to

[2:18:23] Voice 2: to drink. Are you aware

[2:18:25] Voice 2: of that? Is that something that you had a hand

[2:18:27] Voice 2: in?

[2:18:28] Voice 12: No.

[2:18:31] Voice 12: I'm not sure. If they have the

[2:18:33] Voice 12: potable water

[2:18:35] Voice 12: or the boil water

[2:18:37] Voice 12: or non-potable use taken down

[2:18:40] Voice 12: then either they got their operating

[2:18:41] Voice 12: permit and everything's fine, which is

[2:18:43] Voice 12: that's great. That's like a success

[2:18:45] Voice 12: if the Last Resort Society

[2:18:47] Voice 12: has their, the Judith Fisher Centre

[2:18:49] Voice 12: has their operating permit for their

[2:18:52] Voice 12: water treatment system, that would be

[2:18:54] Voice 12: great i mean that'd be awesome i'm not sure i would have to check in that or maybe we can have

[2:19:00] Voice 12: an offline conversation about that peter but um um yeah i i'm i like i said i'm not sure but if

[2:19:08] Voice 12: they did got their operating permit that's a huge win for sure because i know that was they're

[2:19:14] Voice 12: getting stalled out on that that was the whole issue right because yeah because island health

[2:19:18] Voice 12: was saying they wouldn't weren't trusting the raw water of the people like water use society which

[2:19:23] Voice 12: which made no sense because there's only one or two connections above the

[2:19:28] Voice 12: Judith sister center to the lake. So that was, I mean, I was, that,

[2:19:32] Voice 12: that baffled me forever. And I consistently asked Island health,

[2:19:36] Voice 12: why that's the case. And I never got a straight answer. So I,

[2:19:40] Voice 12: so if maybe there was change there over the past year, I mean,

[2:19:44] Voice 12: there's been a lot of personnel change over there.

[2:19:46] Voice 12: The people I was working with at Island health.

[2:19:48] Voice 12: We

[2:19:48] Trustee Patrick: might be able to get an answer here from a trustee.

[2:19:51] Voice 6: yeah i'm still a board member of the last resort society and i have not heard any such news

[2:19:59] Voice 6: so um i don't think that they're the operating permit has been granted i think there'd be a

[2:20:05] Voice 6: little bit of a celebration after all this time we do have a new administrator i don't know if

[2:20:11] Voice 6: you've got the judith fisher center email address william but uh i can um send it to you if you want

[2:20:18] Voice 6: to connect with the new admin here um just recently hired a couple months ago oh yeah

[2:20:25] Voice 12: he'd definitely be

[2:20:26] Voice 6: up to date on on what's going on but i'd be surprised if i somehow missed it

[2:20:30] Voice 6: that happened okay

[2:20:32] Voice 12: i know i i would love to connect with them again so okay um yeah if you

[2:20:37] Voice 12: can forward that on and and and or maybe send them an email and cc me and just so we're all looped

[2:20:42] Voice 12: into what's going on that'd be great

[2:20:45] Voice 2: okay i've got one more brief thing to say that my understanding

[2:20:50] Voice 2: from the peach lake water usage society is when they were coming up to their annual general

[2:20:55] Voice 2: meeting last year 2001 they had this proposal and i it sounds like they actually had a contract

[2:21:01] Voice 2: i don't know if that's true and

[2:21:04] Voice 12: they had a

[2:21:05] Voice 2: drafted they had a drafted contract yeah okay yeah and

[2:21:07] Voice 2: And they felt they didn't understand it, and they appealed to you for more information on what was the total funding, what were they expected to provide, and they didn't get answers for a long time.

[2:21:21] Voice 2: And when they did, they didn't understand them, and they came down to the point that they felt that they didn't have the personnel or the facilities or the resources to sign on to the project.

[2:21:34] Voice 2: project. Now, from what you said, it sounds like the $20,000 might have covered it. But if it did,

[2:21:40] Voice 2: they didn't know that. I think. I don't know if there's

[2:21:43] Voice 2: any in any point in proceeding. I don't

[2:21:46] Voice 2: know if you're interested. Well, you said you were. I don't know if they

[2:21:50] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, no, no. Not

[2:21:52] Voice 2: on that project.

[2:21:54] Voice 12: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I am. You know, I,

[2:22:00] Voice 12: I, it's so hard, it's so skeedy.

[2:22:04] Voice 12: There's one where it's like,

[2:22:05] Voice 12: I talk more personally from the heart than most islands.

[2:22:08] Voice 12: Like I had some really great conversations

[2:22:12] Voice 12: with those members of your community

[2:22:15] Voice 12: that are providing essential services

[2:22:16] Voice 12: and this boil water advisory is a huge burden.

[2:22:20] Voice 12: And so, and largely for the domestic side,

[2:22:25] Voice 12: it's like, you know, like, what are you gonna do for us?

[2:22:28] Voice 12: We kind of got this, right?

[2:22:29] Voice 12: And really, to get the domestics out of the boil water advisory at a point of use, like treatment where every household has its own treatment, it would be down to the very last household until Island Health gave them their operating permit without a boil water advisory.

[2:22:50] Voice 12: like they're they're really strict with when they finally release that and and i am certain that

[2:22:57] Voice 12: there is a solution for the essential infrastructure in town and commercial that that may not include

[2:23:03] Voice 12: the domestic and that is not that's a political decision to even undertake the options with

[2:23:11] Voice 12: respect to that right and that's one that the piece like water use society should also be like

[2:23:16] Voice 12: Like this might be an option for us. Yes. Or they might be like, absolutely not.

[2:23:20] Voice 12: You're splitting our users in half. Why would you do that? You know,

[2:23:23] Voice 12: so like that I'm willing to have those difficult conversations and I'm willing

[2:23:28] Voice 12: to liaise with the regional districts and continue to work with Island Health.

[2:23:34] Voice 12: You know, it's, I, I,

[2:23:36] Voice 12: I moved out to BC from Alberta 15 years ago to help with these boil water

[2:23:42] Voice 12: advisories on first nation land mostly and um you know it's been a failure there and and

[2:23:49] Voice 12: luskete is stalled out now with their boil water advisory it's like we need to start figuring these

[2:23:54] Voice 12: out and so maybe there's like you know a thing there that i'm i'm trying to strive to help the

[2:24:02] Voice 12: luskete community because i i think it's a good thing to do and so if if the uh but i'm you know

[2:24:12] Voice 12: i'm beholden to the ltc and and the will of the ltc and so that's why i think that perhaps there

[2:24:17] Voice 12: can be some discussions between maybe a trustee or the entire ltc with people like water use society

[2:24:23] Voice 12: and and grant like i i will own that it was likely confusing for the society in the build up front of

[2:24:34] Voice 12: the healthy watersheds initiative because the funding moved so fast we got it in december and

[2:24:40] Voice 12: we had to spend it by the next November like it was it was breakneck speed right and and you know

[2:24:47] Voice 12: maybe I assumed that the Laskiti project was more shovel ready than probably what it was right where

[2:24:53] Voice 12: there needed to be a little bit more time and analysis and education and and we went down many

[2:24:59] Voice 12: different roads where the Hornby guys are like we're just doing coliforms and E. coli straight

[2:25:06] Voice 12: straight shot right where you know i've talked with with the peace lake water use society about

[2:25:12] Voice 12: sand filters and issues with like the guards on the road on the road you know it's like it's and

[2:25:18] Voice 12: and like the mapping of their distribution system it there's a there's a lot more there so

[2:25:25] Voice 12: i'll i'll own that um i would say that there wasn't a lot of back and forth when they chose

[2:25:32] Voice 12: was to pass that resolution so just got sent to the director of local planning services and that

[2:25:37] Voice 12: just dissolved the project i i needed to pivot because i was already on a shoestring for my

[2:25:45] Voice 12: capacity at that time anyway i don't i don't want to i don't want to put blame on the society for

[2:25:54] Voice 12: for for understanding their their organizational capacity and turning down work i mean that's an

[2:26:03] Voice 12: like that's almost an honorable thing to do right because yeah because it was a contract right so

[2:26:10] Voice 12: there were expectations in that contract for the society to present back to those

[2:26:15] Voice 12: or to back to the islands trust okay

[2:26:19] Voice 2: thank you very much okay

[2:26:20] Voice 12: yeah thank you all

[2:26:23] Trustee Patrick: right are there

[2:26:24] Trustee Patrick: any other questions or the next steps here that need um any further clarity um

[2:26:35] Voice 12: i wasn't sure if

[2:26:37] Voice 12: that was a question to you or

[2:26:40] Trustee Patrick: to the trustees um yeah next

[2:26:43] Trustee Patrick: next steps yeah

[2:26:45] Voice 12: so for next steps i'm i

[2:26:47] Voice 12: like i asked the ltc if they have any direction they want to provide me now i mean now's the time

[2:26:53] Voice 12: you can pass resolutions i i want to like i won't like there's work being done on laskiti with the

[2:27:00] Voice 12: recharge project which is um you know that's on autopilot with the ltc's concern with the

[2:27:06] Voice 12: regional planning committee and and and the and and that whole program um but specifically for

[2:27:13] Voice 12: the uh what i'd kind of like to hear from the ltc is that um that there's there's finally good

[2:27:21] Voice 12: movement on the luskete island nature conservancy newsletter uh that i'll that i will be i think

[2:27:27] Voice 12: co-writing a report about or an article about the wetlands of luskete and and and the mapping and i

[2:27:35] Voice 12: just am wondering if the ltc wishes to see a draft of that before it gets published or not because

[2:27:43] Voice 12: that's something that directly relates to the ltc

[2:27:46] Trustee Patrick: trustees do you want to see a draft before it gets

[2:27:49] Trustee Patrick: out i

[2:27:53] Voice 6: i mean i do i do trust that you're not going to print anything that would outrageous but i'd be

[2:28:00] Voice 6: happy to actually see a draft before it went out i think that'd be great okay

[2:28:05] Voice 8: yeah i

[2:28:07] Voice 12: i mean if it

[2:28:09] Voice 12: pleases the ltc that uh like like once i get close to completing uh the draft article that i could

[2:28:17] Voice 12: just simply send it to the trustees like almost individually as for your review or it can be sent

[2:28:24] Voice 12: formally to the ltc but i believe this is our last meeting before the fall yeah

[2:28:29] Trustee Patrick: i think an

[2:28:31] Trustee Patrick: informal just i think it would be prudent to let the two local trustees just take an eyeball to it

[2:28:40] Trustee Patrick: and then the opportunity

[2:28:42] Trustee Patrick: and then that helps them get attention to it

[2:28:44] Trustee Patrick: because then they can use the newsletter

[2:28:45] Trustee Patrick: to push the newsletter out there

[2:28:47] Trustee Patrick: it's a good news story

[2:28:49] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[2:28:50] Voice 12: okay that's great

[2:28:51] Voice 12: and

[2:28:52] Trustee Patrick: then

[2:28:53] Voice 6: I just have a

[2:28:54] Voice 6: resolution about recommending

[2:28:56] Voice 6: the next LTC

[2:28:58] Voice 6: talk to

[2:28:59] Voice 6: William here so

[2:29:01] Voice 4: I'm happy to make that if you're

[2:29:04] Trustee Patrick: sure any other

[2:29:06] Trustee Patrick: questions

[2:29:06] Trustee Patrick: for William or any so that's the last

[2:29:09] Trustee Patrick: So if there's no other questions then go for it.

[2:29:13] Voice 6: Okay, I move that the LTC recommend the incoming LTC

[2:29:19] Voice 6: request a session with the senior freshwater specialists

[2:29:23] Voice 6: early in the term.

[2:29:26] Voice 8: When you're ready, Catherine.

[2:29:35] Voice 15: At the LTC recommend that the incoming LTC

[2:29:40] Voice 15: request a session with the freshwater specialist

[2:29:43] Voice 15: early in the term.

[2:29:46] Voice 2: Yeah, I'll second.

[2:29:49] Voice 15: Okay. Any

[2:29:50] Trustee Patrick: discussion? I'll call the vote then. All those in favor? And that's carried.

[2:30:00] Trustee Patrick: So any other questions for William or anything else that you have to bring to the attention?

[2:30:08] Voice 6: No more questions, but thanks, William, as always, for your great work on behalf of all

[2:30:15] Voice 6: of

[2:30:16] Voice 3: the Islands Trust area.

[2:30:18] Voice 3: I think it's been really important and illuminating stuff that you've been helping us come to

[2:30:24] Voice 3: terms with here.

[2:30:26] Voice 12: Yeah, thank you so much.

[2:30:27] Voice 12: I'm, I'm, I'm really, I'm so excited to close out of the recharge mapping project.

[2:30:35] Voice 12: Uh, I think we figured out that we have mapped 500 square kilometers of recharge, which is

[2:30:44] Voice 12: phenomenal for such a unique area as the Adams Trust.

[2:30:49] Voice 12: Um, and specifically to Liskiti, like, yeah, I mean, I, Liskiti is one of my favorites

[2:30:55] Voice 12: And I just I whenever I think about like water and and the way that Luskeetians use water, I just it just feels

[2:31:09] Voice 12: like it's it's a post child for sustainability for the future.

[2:31:14] Voice 12: So I hope the next LTC engages in some good conversations, and hopefully we can have a little bit more coordination with the regional district with respect to these issues.

[2:31:28] Trustee Patrick: There you go. We'll take the power away from all those other islands, and they'll learn to conserve, finally.

[2:31:39] Trustee Patrick: all right well thank you if there's no questions then thank you william and we're going to move

[2:31:44] Trustee Patrick: on to the next item on the agenda okay thank

[2:31:49] Voice 9: you chair thank

[2:31:50] Trustee Patrick: you for coming um 9.4 is the

[2:31:53] Trustee Patrick: bylaw and we have a stock report on page 215 of the agenda package back

[2:32:00] Voice 18: over to you yeah

[2:32:01] Voice 18: Yeah. So, essentially this reflects some of the requests that the LTC had made at the last meeting for amendments to this document.

[2:32:11] Voice 18: The model has been before you and there has been some discussion.

[2:32:15] Voice 18: And so we're recommending that it be read a third time as amended.

[2:32:24] Voice 18: it

[2:32:25] Voice 8: right so

[2:32:33] Voice 18: this the draft before you is um reflects amendments that you made at the last

[2:32:39] Voice 18: meeting right and um so you would just give a third reading if you agree with it

[2:32:44] Voice 18: unless you want to make any further alterations all right discuss that trustees over to you

[2:32:50] Voice 18: i

[2:32:51] Voice 2: would like to make an alteration on in table two i believe it is um there's a uh

[2:33:00] Voice 2: Permit number seven, heritage alteration permit, $1,700.

[2:33:05] Voice 2: David Marler told me there's only one island

[2:33:07] Voice 2: trust heritage protection zone,

[2:33:10] Voice 2: and that's in the Ganges area and Salt Spring Island.

[2:33:13] Voice 2: So this should be removed from our fees by law

[2:33:16] Voice 2: that this doesn't apply here.

[2:33:18] Voice 2: And the heritage alteration permit is a term also used

[2:33:22] Voice 2: by the archeology branch.

[2:33:24] Voice 2: So people are very familiar with it

[2:33:25] Voice 2: or somewhat more familiar with it now

[2:33:27] Voice 2: than we were a couple of years ago.

[2:33:30] Voice 2: and i think that that that worries people um both because of the archaeological permit and also

[2:33:37] Voice 2: because oh this is another thing the trust might want to impose on us so i i would move that we

[2:33:43] Voice 2: remove this from the bylaw so

[2:33:47] Trustee Patrick: you're why don't we be specific if you're uh moving that uh item

[2:33:53] Trustee Patrick: Item number seven in table two of by-law number 99 be removed.

[2:34:03] Trustee Patrick: Is that what you're saying?

[2:34:05] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[2:34:06] Trustee Patrick: I'll

[2:34:06] Voice 15: let Catherine read that back.

[2:34:10] Voice 15: That the Liskety Local Trust Committee requests staff remove item seven in table.

[2:34:16] Trustee Patrick: I think it's actually amend by-law 99 is what it should say.

[2:34:22] Voice 15: Oh, okay.

[2:34:22] Voice 15: Request staff.

[2:34:23] Voice 15: okay that the the skeedy island trust committee amend item seven in

[2:34:31] Voice 15: table two heritage alteration permit from the fees bylaw number 99.

[2:34:37] Voice 18: remove it

[2:34:39] Voice 18: so we're we're amending

[2:34:42] Trustee Patrick: the action is that the ltc is amending bylaw 99 by right

[2:34:48] Voice 15: okay so that the ltc

[2:34:50] Voice 15: amend fees bylaw number 99 by removing table two permit number seven heritage alteration permit

[2:34:59] Voice 15: yes all

[2:35:00] Trustee Patrick: right so peter

[2:35:02] Voice 15: is that the motion

[2:35:02] Trustee Patrick: you're making that

[2:35:03] Voice 2: is yes all

[2:35:05] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second

[2:35:06] Trustee Patrick: second by trustee

[2:35:09] Voice 8: peter sing and are there discussion no discussion i'll call the vote

[2:35:18] Voice 8: them all

[2:35:18] Trustee Patrick: those in favor i guess it's if you don't have them you don't have them so carry

[2:35:27] Trustee Patrick: any other changes yeah

[2:35:30] Voice 2: i i would like to to have a brief discussion at least

[2:35:34] Voice 2: among the trust committee about the wisdom or not or the possibility of considering reducing the

[2:35:41] Voice 2: fees up to 20 from what they are listed as uh allowed by trust council um i could speak to

[2:35:52] Voice 2: that now or speak to that in a moment go ahead and

[2:35:55] Voice 1: just speak to it now and

[2:35:56] Trustee Patrick: we'll have we can

[2:35:57] Trustee Patrick: dialogue and then you can consider if you're taking action okay

[2:36:00] Voice 2: i basically this is a pretty

[2:36:02] Voice 2: big increase in the fees we are not encumbered by a whole lot of applications because it's pretty

[2:36:09] Voice 2: common just to go ahead and do what you want to do and not file an application and i suspect that

[2:36:16] Voice 2: this increase in fees will suppress applications or work to suppress applications and i think it

[2:36:23] Voice 2: would be uh and i've got to admit i put this to the community and heard nothing uh that it would

[2:36:29] Voice 2: be a sign of something positive to the community to reduce the fees as much as we are allowed or

[2:36:40] Voice 2: as much as recommended by trust council mr

[2:36:43] Voice 6: peterson yeah i disagree i i don't see that

[2:36:47] Voice 6: when you just said anything like holds together coherently if people aren't applying

[2:36:52] Voice 6: then presumably people won't apply the amount of fees are and having worked on this regional

[2:36:58] Voice 6: planning committee i think it's totally inappropriate that the taxpayer continues

[2:37:02] Voice 6: to subsidize the majority of the cost of applications and that's why i'm in support of this

[2:37:09] Voice 6: these uh these uh increased fees for in the in the fees bylaw it's to me it's an equity issue

[2:37:18] Voice 6: i don't believe that applicants should be subsidized to the the amount that they have

[2:37:25] Voice 6: been in the past by the taxpayer and that's why i'm in favor of passing this bylaw and the other

[2:37:31] Voice 10: thing i will just

[2:37:32] Voice 6: add to that is that you know part of the reason these fee increases are large

[2:37:38] Voice 6: at this point is because they have not been going up on any kind of a regular basis it's it's a

[2:37:44] Voice 6: passing the buck um scenario where where uh you know the longer you take to get fees in line with

[2:37:53] Voice 6: what uh what's uh the actual costs then the bigger the jump is going to be so if we choose to not

[2:37:59] Voice 6: increase the fees uh appropriately then we're just passing the buck to a future ltc to

[2:38:05] Voice 6: to either you know continue to have the taxpayers um subsidizing the cost of applications to a large

[2:38:13] Voice 6: degree or or to to you know take the the action of increasing the fees the longer they sit

[2:38:20] Voice 6: unadjusted the larger the adjustment is going to have to be that's my feeling about it i don't

[2:38:28] Voice 2: think it's fair to characterize it as subsidizing i mean the public is peter just

[2:38:34] Voice 2: a minute let me

[2:38:34] Voice 2: me finish the public wants that wants these uh applications to be filed uh they want to have a

[2:38:41] Voice 2: say in a process by which they can give their feedback and uh they should pay some of the cost

[2:38:47] Voice 2: and and i think that 20 is too little and i think that you know that that it's not a subsidy it's uh

[2:38:57] Voice 2: it's the part of cost of running local government is dealing with applications and i don't think

[2:39:03] Voice 2: it's fair to put with one exception the entire cost on landowners and the exception is subdivision

[2:39:12] Voice 2: but we're limited on on that because and the reason i think it would be reasonable to put

[2:39:17] Voice 2: the entire cost on landowners for subdivision is when they create two parcels from one or multiple

[2:39:22] Voice 2: parcels from one that's a gift of thousands and thousands of dollars to them it's not just saying

[2:39:29] Voice 2: that they can do this or not do that or put it a little put their house a little closer to the

[2:39:34] Voice 2: lot line

[2:39:37] Voice 6: so yeah i just did a response to that peter um the reason that the regional planning

[2:39:42] Voice 6: committee has undertaken these the model bylaw and we have this new fees by law in front of us

[2:39:49] Voice 6: is because over time the percentage that the taxpayer has been paying has been far in excess

[2:39:58] Voice 6: of 20%, and that's why the fees are being adjusted.

[2:40:02] Voice 6: I don't have the exact number here,

[2:40:04] Voice 6: but I think we were creeping up to somewhere around 70%.

[2:40:09] Voice 6: And I just don't, I personally just don't think

[2:40:12] Voice 6: that's appropriate.

[2:40:14] Voice 6: If there's no benefit from the application,

[2:40:17] Voice 6: then why do the, whatever it is, the permit

[2:40:21] Voice 6: or any of the rest of it, if there's no benefit.

[2:40:24] Voice 6: And I just don't think it's appropriate

[2:40:25] Voice 6: for the taxpayer

[2:40:26] Voice 19: to continue to pay

[2:40:27] Voice 19: that high percentage of the costs.

[2:40:32] Voice 2: You do have-

[2:40:33] Voice 2: I'm not suggesting

[2:40:33] Voice 2: they pay that high a percentage,

[2:40:36] Voice 2: but it's going, the goal of the by-law,

[2:40:39] Voice 2: and this is a guess because there isn't much known

[2:40:41] Voice 2: about what the actual costs are,

[2:40:43] Voice 2: is that the aim of the by-law, the fees by-law,

[2:40:46] Voice 2: model fees by-law is to capture 80% of the cost

[2:40:50] Voice 2: and put that on the landowner.

[2:40:52] Voice 2: And I think that's very high.

[2:40:54] Voice 2: and I'm talking about reducing it as much as 20%.

[2:40:59] Trustee Patrick: I think the important thing is that if you have a community project,

[2:41:05] Trustee Patrick: they can apply for sponsorship.

[2:41:08] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:41:09] Trustee Patrick: Those are the ones that you'd be most concerned about.

[2:41:16] Trustee Patrick: But we do know a fair bit of the fees now.

[2:41:19] Trustee Patrick: We're collecting more.

[2:41:20] Trustee Patrick: The rezoning are the hardest ones.

[2:41:23] Trustee Patrick: We're only allowed to capture the average cost.

[2:41:26] Trustee Patrick: And, you know, rezonings, it's hard to say any one, any two rezonings can be average, you know, they're all very distinct and separate. So that area has the most uncertainty in what the average price is, but the others are becoming very accurate.

[2:41:45] Trustee Patrick: it

[2:41:47] Voice 2: trust council said it was it was acceptable for local trust committees to vary it by 20 percent

[2:41:55] Voice 2: and i presume that would also include increasing the fees by 20 as well as decreasing them correct

[2:42:00] Trustee Patrick: and

[2:42:01] Voice 2: and i'm i want to take advantage of that but it sounds like i'm the only one is is there a

[2:42:17] Voice 2: motion on that floor no there's been no motion made at

[2:42:20] Voice 8: this time yet

[2:42:22] Voice 2: do

[2:42:27] Voice 8: you want to make one

[2:42:32] Voice 2: uh i well no well i don't know am i reading you correctly laura that that you agree more with tim

[2:42:43] Trustee Patrick: well i'm i always look to the local trustees on your experience with

[2:42:46] Trustee Patrick: the fees i know this

[2:42:49] Trustee Patrick: you know tim is correct that you know you are catching up you know for us on

[2:42:54] Voice 1: salt spring we

[2:42:55] Trustee Patrick: actually had higher fees than some of the model fees came out to be because we have

[2:43:00] Voice 8: been

[2:43:00] Trustee Patrick: updating them on a regular basis so it's um um you know so yes this is going to be a jump

[2:43:11] Trustee Patrick: but it's either you take the jump and get it over with i think is what what what this is and you do

[2:43:18] Trustee Patrick: not have very many applications

[2:43:20] Voice 8: and uh okay

[2:43:30] Voice 9: i i i'm not going to make a motion

[2:43:32] Voice 2: at this point

[2:43:38] Voice 8: So, a good

[2:43:39] Trustee Patrick: conversation. So, are there any other amendments that either of you wish to make? Otherwise, there's some motions on the top of page 215 to consider.

[2:43:54] Voice 6: I move that the Lusketia Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 99, cited as Lusketia Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw 2022, as amended, be read a third time.

[2:44:06] Voice 6: is

[2:44:09] Voice 8: there a second oh you're you're muted uh peter not

[2:44:21] Voice 9: not from me okay i'll second for discussion

[2:44:23] Voice 1: purposes

[2:44:24] Voice 8: is there a

[2:44:25] Voice 8: discussion did you i

[2:44:33] Voice 9: think we've had it

[2:44:33] Voice 8: okay no

[2:44:38] Trustee Patrick: so if there's no further

[2:44:39] Trustee Patrick: discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor all those opposed and that carries did you want

[2:44:49] Trustee Patrick: to have your uh opposition noted in the minutes peter no no

[2:44:55] Voice 6: no thank you

[2:44:57] Voice 6: i'm with the little

[2:44:58] Voice 6: skinny on the local trust committee bylaw number 99 signed it does whiskey on the local trust

[2:45:03] Voice 6: committee's fees bylaw 2022 before forwarding to the secretary of the island's trust for approval

[2:45:09] Voice 6: by the executive committee is there a second i'll

[2:45:13] Trustee Patrick: second any discussion i'll call the vote all those

[2:45:18] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[2:45:19] Trustee Patrick: All those opposed?

[2:45:22] Trustee Patrick: And that's carried.

[2:45:25] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[2:45:26] Trustee Patrick: I know this is a,

[2:45:27] Trustee Patrick: yeah, I do hear you and that's something,

[2:45:33] Trustee Patrick: yeah, we do have to take into consideration

[2:45:35] Trustee Patrick: and in future years is that the area is not equal.

[2:45:43] Trustee Patrick: And that's something we'll have to get

[2:45:44] Trustee Patrick: a little bit more sophisticated in as we look at from,

[2:45:47] Trustee Patrick: you know, from that.

[2:45:49] Trustee Patrick: There are definitely wealthier islands

[2:45:52] Trustee Patrick: that probably even costs more to process applications

[2:45:55] Trustee Patrick: because they're more complex.

[2:45:57] Trustee Patrick: So you have a very good point, Peter.

[2:46:00] Trustee Patrick: And one that we do,

[2:46:01] Trustee Patrick: what we've talked about at the regional planning committees,

[2:46:04] Trustee Patrick: we can't walk away from this model of fees by law.

[2:46:06] Trustee Patrick: We need to keep our eye on it and keep it updated,

[2:46:10] Trustee Patrick: watch what the changes are that are coming

[2:46:12] Trustee Patrick: from the other islands and keep things into account.

[2:46:15] Trustee Patrick: But you do have a very valid point.

[2:46:17] Voice 2: I want to point out again that the model fees by law

[2:46:20] Voice 2: does allow for a reduction or an increase of up to 20 percent catherine has a

[2:46:25] Voice 2: question i'm sorry

[2:46:28] Trustee Patrick: oh sorry

[2:46:29] Trustee Patrick: catherine i'm sorry about that kevin hi

[2:46:32] Voice 15: yeah sorry to interrupt i was just wondering

[2:46:34] Voice 15: should i record that there was one opposed rather than which trustee opposed or just the fact that

[2:46:41] Voice 15: one person was one trustee was opposed or no no i think it's just carried

[2:46:47] Voice 18: that's enough carried in your in your minutes whatever the standard

[2:46:51] Voice 18: is yeah i'm not sure on

[2:46:54] Voice 18: the standard of that either um i

[2:46:56] Voice 6: think it's usually just carried unless somebody says

[2:46:58] Voice 6: thank you

[2:47:03] Trustee Patrick: all right thanks for checking okay then well we'll move on to the next item here which is

[2:47:11] Trustee Patrick: new business 12.1 this is a report from the island trust conservancy

[2:47:19] Trustee Patrick: three-year plan now since it's a briefing are you going to give this briefing no

[2:47:25] Voice 18: information

[2:47:26] Voice 18: it's here for information yeah

[2:47:28] Trustee Patrick: so i don't know if you have any discussion trustees or just

[2:47:32] Trustee Patrick: receive this for information it's a lot of information there

[2:47:37] Voice 6: is and i mean uh i don't

[2:47:40] Voice 6: know that the ltc needs comment i would comment personally yay islands trust conservancy you're

[2:47:45] Voice 6: doing great

[2:47:46] Voice 8: work absolutely good all right

[2:47:56] Trustee Patrick: and so then the next um so then we have the

[2:48:02] Trustee Patrick: applications report here which is entirely too skimpy here

[2:48:12] Voice 8: right that was a long report

[2:48:15] Voice 8: at 249 yeah yeah

[2:48:20] Trustee Patrick: i got it there so if there's no other questions on applications and there's

[2:48:24] Trustee Patrick: the trustee expense report is here, information

[2:48:29] Voice 8: and

[2:48:30] Trustee Patrick: the adopted policies and standing resolutions.

[2:48:36] Trustee Patrick: No changes at this time. I guess we just made that relate one of them back to the potential

[2:48:43] Trustee Patrick: update of the meeting procedures. And then we have our top priorities and projects lists here. I guess

[2:48:53] Trustee Patrick: no further amendments need to be made and if that's true that brings us close to the end of

[2:49:00] Trustee Patrick: meeting here we do have a closed meeting coming up but our next meeting uh our the local trust

[2:49:08] Trustee Patrick: committee's next meeting will be on november 28th

[2:49:13] Voice 18: any appetite for determining that that

[2:49:16] Voice 18: will be an electronic rule who do we do that to

[2:49:19] Trustee Patrick: the new trustees well the problem is it is

[2:49:21] Trustee Patrick: the new trustees that's the

[2:49:23] Voice 6: reverse meeting it's the new trustees and i know at least one of the

[2:49:26] Voice 6: people um who's of course no one's technically running and running yet but one of the people

[2:49:32] Voice 6: that is uh said they are going to run has stated that he's not going to participate in electronic

[2:49:38] Voice 6: meetings so okay i think let's just leave it alone for now all right

[2:49:42] Voice 6: sounds

[2:49:43] Trustee Patrick: good all right

[2:49:46] Trustee Patrick: yeah and i think it's probably the first meeting should be in person unless unless weather

[2:49:52] Trustee Patrick: dependent with that then

[2:49:54] Trustee Patrick: i need a motion to go into the closed meeting okay

[2:50:01] Voice 6: i move that the

[2:50:02] Voice 6: meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part four division

[2:50:07] Voice 6: three section 91 a d and f for the purpose of considering appointment of advisory planning

[2:50:15] Voice 6: commission members and board of variance members and adoption event in camera minutes dated

[2:50:21] Voice 6: of february 7 2022 and june 6 2022 and by law enforcement and that recorder staff attend the

[2:50:28] Voice 6: meeting is there a second

[2:50:32] Trustee Patrick: trustee you're you're muted trustee johnson thank you for coming in

[2:50:41] Voice 2: yeah um

[2:50:42] Trustee Patrick: i'll

[2:50:43] Voice 2: second it sorry all

[2:50:44] Trustee Patrick: right no that's okay uh and i guess it's all those in favor

[2:50:49] Trustee Patrick: and that's carried so just let's hold for a minute I have to lock out the meeting

[2:50:56] Trustee Patrick: um so anyone that is planning to leave us should leave us otherwise I'm going to stop recording

[2:51:01] Trustee Patrick: so hold on while I there's the stop recording

[2:51:07] Trustee Patrick: everybody moves around um hold on while I stop

[2:51:10] Trustee Patrick: recording are you sure you want to stop recording yes I've got to take it off of live

[2:51:17] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so I'm reopening the Local Trust Committee's, the Laskete Island Local Trust Committee regular

[2:51:27] Trustee Patrick: meeting. And I'd like to rise and report from our in-camera meeting, rise and report that we

[2:51:33] Trustee Patrick: appointed to our Board of Variants, Hilary Duinger, and reappointed Jack Woodward and Lori Jackson,

[2:51:41] Trustee Patrick: Jackson and that we approved our minutes from the February 7th and June 6th meetings

[2:51:49] Trustee Patrick: and with that is there any other business in this meeting yes

[2:51:54] Voice 7: yes I moved at the LTT LTC request

[2:51:57] Voice 7: staff to repost ABC a repost for ABC expressions of interests Catherine

[2:52:06] Voice 8: did you get that oops

[2:52:21] Voice 8: Catherine. Oh,

[2:52:25] Voice 15: sorry. I thought my space bar would unmute me, but it doesn't seem to be maybe on the

[2:52:30] Voice 15: Mac. Yes, at the LALTC request staff to report to repost for APC expressions of interest.

[2:52:41] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[2:52:42] Voice 15: that sounds good. Is that seconded?

[2:52:45] Trustee Patrick: Yep. Any discussion? I'll call the vote. All those

[2:52:49] Trustee Patrick: in favor and that's carried is there any other business i'm not seeing any i need a motion to

[2:52:58] Trustee Patrick: uh adjourn i

[2:53:00] Voice 2: move that we adjourn second

[2:53:02] Trustee Patrick: by trustee peterson all those in favor

[2:53:06] Trustee Patrick: we are adjourned thank you very much thank you catherine uh thank you trustee johnson i hope

[2:53:13] Trustee Patrick: I hope you feel better, and we will see you at the meeting in September.

[2:53:19] Trustee Patrick: We'll do.

[2:53:20] Voice 2: Trust Council meeting.

[2:53:21] Voice 2: Yes.

[2:53:21] Voice 2: Virtually.

[2:53:22] Voice 2: Thank you both.

[2:53:24] Voice 8: All right.

[2:53:24] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:53:25] Voice 8: Thanks, Catherine.