Gambier Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, September 1, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): You've got to wait until that

[0:00:01] Voice 12: little blue line goes across.

[0:00:03] Voice 12: And then as soon as that's done, it's going to be live.

[0:00:11] Voice 12: Now you're streaming.

[0:00:12] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:00:13] Voice 11: You can tell me because that little pop-up.

[0:00:19] Voice 12: You can test it if you want, but that's the thing that that needs to be.

[0:00:28] Voice 12: Well, now I have a little spinning dial.

[0:00:32] Voice 12: What do I do?

[0:00:41] Voice 12: That's built-in.

[0:00:44] Voice 11: So let us know if she's getting streaming on her hand.

[0:00:46] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:00:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): There is about a

[0:00:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): 40-second delay.

[0:00:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah,

[0:00:50] Voice 11: I see it now.

[0:00:51] Voice 11: so i think oh she says yes okay screaming good all right now i can close that

[0:00:59] Voice 12: oops meeting is being live streamed

[0:01:03] Voice 10: got it and it's checking 42 okay all good then leave that

[0:01:18] Voice 3: open welcome

[0:01:19] Voice 11: everybody and sharon uh to the

[0:01:23] Trustee Fast (probable): um me oh look i'm gonna get a pen one second here

[0:01:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you to the meeting of the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee, and thanks for joining us today.

[0:01:33] Trustee Fast (probable): This is the first in-person meeting in several years because of COVID, so I just want to begin

[0:01:40] Voice 10: by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today over the territory of the traditional

[0:01:46] Voice 11: territories of the Coast Salish people, especially the Swamish Nation, in the case of Al-Qudsum Household.

[0:01:53] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm Sue Ellen Fast, and I'm elected on Bowen Island, next door.

[0:01:57] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'm the off-island chair of your Gambier Local Trust Committee, and I'm joined today

[0:02:03] Trustee Fast (probable): by Gambier Island trustee Kate Lee-Stamford, and

[0:02:06] Voice 11: Keats Island trustee, also from this local

[0:02:09] Voice 11: trust committee, Dan Rogers.

[0:02:10] Voice 11: And together we make up the elected Gambier Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:02:16] Voice 11: So I haven't heard from Director Hill, sometimes the regional district director, I was going

[0:02:22] Voice 11: to say i got an update today he will be in just around noon so i was going to ask if we could

[0:02:27] Voice 11: switch the agenda around so he will be able to report now his report excellent good okay

[0:02:35] Voice 11: so let's do that when we get to the approval of the agenda part i'll just skip through here and

[0:02:38] Voice 11: i want to um mention the several staff people that we've got with us today participating in

[0:02:44] Voice 11: the meeting we've got heather power she's our regional planning manager for the whole northern

[0:02:48] Voice 11: region, so Denman, Hornby, Mesquite, everybody, and including Gambier-Keats.

[0:02:55] Voice 11: And we've got Marlis McCarter, and Marlis is our new island planner for Gambier, so

[0:03:00] Voice 11: welcome, Marlis.

[0:03:01] Voice 11: And we've got Diane

[0:03:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Horvath, our mini meeting taker, professional minute taker, because

[0:03:08] Trustee Fast (probable): these are formal local government minutes that we'll be taking today, and later joining

[0:03:14] Trustee Fast (probable): joining us online will be Planner Stephen Bowe

[0:03:17] Trustee Fast (probable): to present his staff report during the agenda,

[0:03:19] Trustee Fast (probable): the applications part of the agenda,

[0:03:21] Trustee Fast (probable): and applicants may also join online.

[0:03:24] Trustee Fast (probable): So at the back of the room,

[0:03:25] Trustee Fast (probable): we've got a few copies of the agenda

[0:03:28] Trustee Fast (probable): and I put up the public participation.

[0:03:32] Trustee Fast (probable): So if you're planning to speak

[0:03:34] Trustee Fast (probable): or you wanna send

[0:03:35] Trustee Fast (probable): a letter later or anything,

[0:03:36] Trustee Fast (probable): pick up one of these,

[0:03:37] Trustee Fast (probable): or just have a look back there

[0:03:39] Trustee Fast (probable): because applicants get a chance to speak

[0:03:41] Trustee Fast (probable): or there's delegations you can apply to be part of or town hall scheduled on here and uh that's

[0:03:48] Trustee Fast (probable): when you can speak so um and there's a few other bits and pieces back there that you may want to

[0:03:53] Trustee Fast (probable): look at or take with you and uh i

[0:03:59] Voice 11: just wanted to mention that there's one other uh participant in

[0:04:04] Voice 11: the meeting and that's nature so where are the islands trust it's about preserving and protecting

[0:04:11] Trustee Fast (probable): protecting wildlife and natural

[0:04:12] Trustee Fast (probable): spaces and natural ecosystems that we rely on.

[0:04:16] Trustee Fast (probable): And so think about one of these empty chairs with your favourite wildlife creature in it.

[0:04:23] Trustee Fast (probable): They won't have a lot to say, but so we're going to try and sort of speak for them.

[0:04:27] Trustee Fast (probable): And also at the back, there's a Gambier Island Local Trust Committee,

[0:04:30] Trustee Fast (probable): sort of a conservation

[0:04:32] Voice 11: fact sheet about the state of the ecosystems

[0:04:36] Voice 11: systems, and where the protected areas so

[0:04:39] Voice 11: far are. And so

[0:04:42] Trustee Fast (probable): this

[0:04:43] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to

[0:04:46] Trustee Fast (probable): make decisions about land use planning,

[0:04:48] Voice 11: and discuss relevant

[0:04:51] Voice 11: business to the trust preserve and protect mandate and to your

[0:04:56] Voice 11: official community plan. Of course, later in the meeting,

[0:04:58] Trustee Fast (probable): we've got another session and this is chair, who's the

[0:05:02] Trustee Fast (probable): consultant who will be with us later on to run that part of the

[0:05:05] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting. And I also

[0:05:07] Trustee Fast (probable): want to add that this is a place of employment as well, despite the fact

[0:05:12] Trustee Fast (probable): some people will be phoning in from remotely, but it's a safe, respectful

[0:05:18] Voice 11: meeting space. I don't

[0:05:20] Voice 11: think we need to worry about that on GAM here, but thanks everybody for helping us run

[0:05:27] Voice 11: effective meeting.

[0:05:28] Trustee Fast (probable): And so, oh, and at the very end, remind me, but if you have any feedback

[0:05:37] Trustee Fast (probable): about the way the meeting was run or anything about the meeting, you can always contact

[0:05:41] Trustee Fast (probable): and for anything about the Islands Trust, the best contact if you want to talk to a

[0:05:46] Voice 11: planner or ask a question is northinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca. Okay, I wanted to put

[0:05:54] Voice 11: that at the beginning. All right, then get into the agenda. So

[0:06:01] Voice 10: I'm going to call the meeting to order. And we're moving some

[0:06:07] Voice 10: things around on the agenda right now. So please note that

[0:06:11] Voice 10: things might

[0:06:12] Voice 11: be reordered. So this will be 4.3, the electoral

[0:06:15] Voice 11: areas report, going to push that down to after the break. No,

[0:06:22] Voice 11: before the break when he comes. Yeah, he said he'd be here

[0:06:25] Voice 11: around english okay

[0:06:26] Voice 12: director

[0:06:28] Voice 11: mark hills from the regional district is planning to join us

[0:06:33] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh

[0:06:34] Trustee Fast (probable): we don't have a delegation today anything else any other additions or changes to the agenda

[0:06:39] Trustee Fast (probable): i would just like to make a brief

[0:06:41] Voice 11: addition um it's just new business i would say it's just

[0:06:46] Voice 11: announcement about Minister of Rural and Economic Development coming to Gambier

[0:06:54] Voice 11: September 6th. Okay,

[0:06:57] Voice 11: let's put it down as 12.2. I'll say a little bit more about that.

[0:07:01] Voice 12: Okay,

[0:07:06] Voice 10: thank you. Anything else? Additions, changes to the agenda? Okay, then can I

[0:07:13] Voice 10: have a motion to approve the agenda?

[0:07:15] Voice 11: Moved as amended. Okay, thank you.

[0:07:18] Voice 11: seven minutes okay great all those in favor thank you partly i'm doing

[0:07:23] Trustee Fast (probable): this for the zoom

[0:07:24] Trustee Fast (probable): so that and it'll also be recorded so i just want to make sure that um people know there's

[0:07:29] Trustee Fast (probable): both three members of the public and uh and our consultant in the room for the recording and the

[0:07:33] Voice 11: agenda is approved very good and so we'll go right down here to trustee reports you want to start off

[0:07:40] Voice 11: get to where um we have we didn't have our meeting scheduled for the last month but

[0:07:48] Voice 11: mainly what i've been working on is um preparation for this afternoon's

[0:07:55] Voice 11: engagement process we have official community plan land use bylaw targeted review

[0:08:00] Voice 11: um had several meetings working on survey the mail out um that kind of thing so that's taken

[0:08:08] Voice 11: up quite a bit of time. I've also been able to enjoy the increased community activity.

[0:08:16] Voice 11: This summer we've had a highly successful commotion on the ocean. There was a still

[0:08:22] Voice 11: in the honeydews last weekend here at the community center. Community center had a

[0:08:26] Voice 11: visioning session which was very enlightening. The island cleanup day, both the water access

[0:08:34] Voice 11: and the VIN day in New Brighton.

[0:08:36] Voice 11: They both went very well and sort of anecdotally,

[0:08:40] Voice 11: people were very happy with the outcome.

[0:08:44] Voice 11: As usual, I think each year the regional district

[0:08:47] Voice 11: thinks they're going to have less garbage

[0:08:49] Voice 11: and it was pretty much full by two as per usual.

[0:08:56] Voice 11: We continue to be challenged by derelict structures

[0:08:59] Voice 11: washing up on our shorelines

[0:09:01] Voice 11: and a special thank you to community members who stepped up

[0:09:07] Voice 11: and cleaned up the latest debacle in Harvard

[0:09:10] Voice 11: and also paid out-of-pocket to have the styrofoam taken off.

[0:09:17] Voice 11: Community Association has reimbursed them now,

[0:09:21] Voice 11: but they're limited in the amount of funds

[0:09:23] Voice 11: that we'll be able to continue to put towards this compilation.

[0:09:29] Voice 11: And I've been feeling quite a significant increase in calls about development on the Amherst, as well as people interested in purchasing homes and various questions about what it's like to live in the Amherst Trust.

[0:09:45] Voice 11: So, Diane, I will send you that.

[0:09:49] Voice 11: At the Trust Council level, I attended the June Trust Council meeting.

[0:09:53] Voice 11: I was elected to the Governance Committee and we've met once and we'll be meeting again tomorrow.

[0:10:00] Voice 11: The Regional Planning Committee has completed its work for the term and looks to the new Council to maintain leadership in water stewardship and heritage mapping for the coming term.

[0:10:11] Voice 11: And also in the FOA Action Report, I mentioned that I was reaching out to the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.

[0:10:18] Voice 11: i've sent questions out twice for them to meet with us but haven't heard back so i suspect that

[0:10:25] Voice 11: will be a project for the next time that's it okay thank you thank you how about you

[0:10:35] Voice 11: yeah

[0:10:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): thanks um dan

[0:10:37] Voice 11: by the way lives on the keys yeah

[0:10:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): um

[0:10:40] Voice 11: so

[0:10:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's hard to i was sitting last night

[0:10:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): thinking about what i should report on because

[0:10:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's been since may since we had our last local

[0:10:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust committee meeting because we missed the july 14th one um on keats uh i was sorry to miss

[0:10:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): the in-person one on keats um we had it set for that day and there was just a whole raft of

[0:11:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): circumstances that came to pass uh including a power outage on the island and at the end of the

[0:11:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): day the uh we made a call the night before to cancel it because um there was a covid outbreak

[0:11:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): break in the camp where we were supposed to be meeting and we just decided that it was not worth

[0:11:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): coming and bringing everybody to a place that we weren't sure what the extent of it was i can say

[0:11:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): that given that the camp continued to operate it probably was quite limited in its scope it's been

[0:11:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): um it's been a uh an interesting summer on keats it's been different there's been a lot of people

[0:11:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): around there must be a lot of new people because there's a lot of faces i don't recognize but

[0:11:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): But there's a lot of folks that are out there on the beaches and on the trails, and it's been obviously beautiful weather.

[0:11:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): In terms of the island, I'll just mention two things on Keats Island that are coming up.

[0:11:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): We hope to have all things going.

[0:11:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): We had both of them relate to Sandy Beach.

[0:12:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): You may have heard me talk about Sandy Beach before related to the new conservation area that's on Sandy Beach, which is just south of the Keats Landing, just south.

[0:12:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's probably about a 15 to 20 minute walk south of towards the Keats Camp, Keats Landing dock, which has now been dedicated to the Islands Trust Conservancy as a conservation area.

[0:12:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Next Friday there is a meeting, hopefully, because it was supposed to happen in June and got aborted.

[0:12:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): And there's a meeting where there are going to be some of the folks that are involved in the conservation and the management.

[0:12:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): This is going to be the inspection. I may or may not be able to be there.

[0:12:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): There will be hopefully a couple of folks from Keech there to help out with the inspection by the representative from the Conservancy and someone from the Sunshine Coast Conservation Association who holds the covenant.

[0:13:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's also planning in the works to try and do a celebration of the Sandy Beach, which has been a couple of years.

[0:13:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): years um i've heard that tentatively a date of september 17th is being floated i haven't had it

[0:13:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): confirmed to me so if either of you who both sit on the conservate conservancy know that that date's

[0:13:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): been confirmed i would be appreciate that knowing that because i'd like to be there

[0:13:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i should be around that is intended to be an indigenous focused celebration of the protection

[0:13:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): of this area not only that but also the um uh the point of salmon rock as well has also been

[0:13:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): protected so those two things are happening on keats um as well uh we also had a very successful

[0:13:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): bin day there haven't been as many events this this summer um as there are on jambier where

[0:13:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): they like to celebrate more often and have more um functions than we that we've had traditionally

[0:14:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): on gates but we haven't had very many other than our successful fishing derby for those of you who

[0:14:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): live in eastport um i wanted to say that i also attended trust council in june of course

[0:14:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): um it was an interesting discussion as always we're coming to the end of our term

[0:14:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh we're sort of trying to figure out how to wrap up our our term uh just from a i'd also sit on

[0:14:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): the executive with chair fast just to announce we have a new regional planning manager who was

[0:14:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): appointed Stefan Cermak um uh although I heard someone pronounce his last name differently

[0:14:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): yesterday so well

[0:14:42] Voice 12: that

[0:14:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): wasn't even the way it was it was Carmack that someone pronounced it

[0:14:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): yesterday so I don't know the correct way to spend I've all

[0:14:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): I've always said Cermak

[0:14:53] Voice 11: but it

[0:14:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): was the reason the chair of the regional planning committee that pronounced it differently

[0:14:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): so I thought she probably knows what she's talking about anyway he's the new regional

[0:15:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): planning manager. And so we're getting back to, um, uh, being fully staffed. I will say just for

[0:15:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): anybody who's following, I also, I sit on the trust programs committee. We met twice over the

[0:15:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): summer, um, once in a full day meeting in July, I'm going to say about the eighth, uh, in Nanaimo.

[0:15:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): We had all, I think we had every trustee that's on the committee, uh, either there in person or,

[0:15:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): electronically which is 11 or 12. uh we worked through the draft of the trust policy statement

[0:15:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): and changes and just last friday we approved a a package of changes to come to trust council

[0:15:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): they aren't specific changes but a plan of action uh it's clear that the trust policy statement for

[0:15:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): those that have been following uh will not get to first reading this term it's not there's no plan

[0:15:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): plan to do that. The plan is to bring it for first reading early in 2023 changes being

[0:16:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): proposed and staff is going to drive a lot of those. Plus, we've given some direction

[0:16:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): suggestive direction around things such as tree cutting, removing that part of the trust

[0:16:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): policy statement specifically, although the other issues may come some more and some changes

[0:16:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the issues around docks and seawalls just to provide some more like the word flexibility but

[0:16:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): some more options that are available so those things are occurring so you'll get there'll be

[0:16:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): a full report at trust council not next week it's with the 21st i think of september uh we have

[0:16:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): another trust council let the chair speak to that if she wishes um so that's been going on uh and i

[0:16:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think that the other thing I wanted to say was I've been very pleased.

[0:16:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know if it's just serendipity, but in addition to the announcement that Kate Louise is going to talk about later on the agenda relating to the federal government coming to,

[0:17:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's actually an announcement occurring right at this moment in Lyons

[0:17:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): Bay where they're announcing a grant of some sort.

[0:17:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know the extent of it for the biosphere to do some work around ecosystem protection.

[0:17:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know any more of the details.

[0:17:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): I got the invite yesterday to go to it, which is typical.

[0:17:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): We get it the day before.

[0:17:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anyway, I wish I was there to see what that was.

[0:17:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): But that's really good news.

[0:17:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm seeing lots of interesting developments related to the biosphere and how things are going with HowSound and Alcázar and HowSound.

[0:17:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm very pleased about that.

[0:17:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): they seem to have a lot of traction and they seem to be finding some funding and i'm pretty and in

[0:17:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): fact when we were trying to set up the conservancy of celebration on sandy beach there was some

[0:18:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): issues of capacity and i turned to the biosphere the biosphere sort of picked up the ball and is

[0:18:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): helping to organize that so and they have strong connections with the squamish nation so a shout

[0:18:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): out to the biosphere um for all the great work that they're doing uh and i'll just leave it at

[0:18:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): that thanks sorry very

[0:18:24] Voice 10: good thanks so some of the things that uh dan was talking about sandy beach

[0:18:28] Trustee Fast (probable): nature reserve you can look on 8.4 on the agenda there's a whole management plan is in there so

[0:18:34] Trustee Fast (probable): it's got maps and everything and you can

[0:18:36] Trustee Fast (probable): find out uh

[0:18:37] Voice 11: what's the big deal and uh i wanted to mention

[0:18:43] Voice 11: before I get into things I've got a carbon dioxide monitor up here air quality is excellent I'm

[0:18:48] Voice 11: wearing a mask so that anybody who feels like they might want to put one on feels welcome

[0:18:53] Voice 11: masks are welcome but certainly don't need one according to this I wanted to mention

[0:19:01] Voice 11: from my schedule Kate Weese is the chair of the Islands Trust Conservancy and we had a meeting

[0:19:07] Voice 11: last week in Victoria

[0:19:11] Voice 11: starting up a workshop

[0:19:13] Voice 11: basically about a communication strategy.

[0:19:15] Voice 11: I'll go quickly.

[0:19:17] Voice 11: Dan, okay.

[0:19:20] Trustee Fast (probable): June

[0:19:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Trust Council, Dan has referred to.

[0:19:23] Trustee Fast (probable): The next one is September the

[0:19:25] Trustee Fast (probable): 20th and the 22nd. It's all

[0:19:27] Trustee Fast (probable): online. So there

[0:19:29] Trustee Fast (probable): you'll

[0:19:30] Voice 11: get to see all 26

[0:19:31] Voice 11: trustees

[0:19:33] Voice 11: in a meeting and there's lots of time

[0:19:35] Voice 11: I'm there for delegations, or if you want to share your views,

[0:19:39] Voice 11: executive committee next week, Dan and I sit on that.

[0:19:42] Voice 11: So we plan the

[0:19:43] Trustee Fast (probable): agenda for trust

[0:19:44] Trustee Fast (probable): council and kind of do the day-to-day

[0:19:48] Trustee Fast (probable): business. And I'll be going to union of BC municipalities as well.

[0:19:53] Trustee Fast (probable): And that's in Whistler later on.

[0:19:55] Voice 11: And I just wanted to mention about our agenda.

[0:19:57] Voice 11: There's a bunch of information items there at 15 that might be interested

[0:20:01] Voice 11: interested in upcoming meetings at 16 and at the end of this meeting we've got a little closed

[0:20:07] Voice 11: meeting before we start the community information meeting so just so

[0:20:12] Trustee Fast (probable): people are aware okay and

[0:20:14] Trustee Fast (probable): there's a break schedule for one o'clock I think yes

[0:20:17] Voice 11: okay so uh with that um we're going to wait

[0:20:21] Voice 11: for uh Mark Hiltz to show up

[0:20:23] Trustee Fast (probable): uh now we've got a town hall session so this is a chance for you to

[0:20:27] Trustee Fast (probable): to say

[0:20:29] Voice 11: a few words that you think we might need to hear

[0:20:32] Voice 11: or that you want to say.

[0:20:36] Voice 11: I think we usually have opportunity here,

[0:20:40] Voice 11: inform trustees, topics relevant to the local trust area.

[0:20:46] Voice 11: And we've got 10 minutes set aside in our agenda.

[0:20:48] Voice 11: So does

[0:20:49] Voice 11: anybody want to say something to us?

[0:20:52] Voice 11: I'm not seeing one.

[0:20:53] Voice 11: We didn't really have

[0:20:53] Voice 11: anything planned to say.

[0:20:54] Voice 11: We just come over here more to be here.

[0:20:57] Voice 11: here. It's so exciting. She just the

[0:21:02] Voice 10: dog. Okay, well, thank you. But

[0:21:06] Voice 11: this is an opportunity.

[0:21:07] Voice 11: So I'm serious. But that's great. Okay, thank you. Then we'll skip ahead. And there's lots

[0:21:13] Voice 11: of time for input during the we're going to really be inviting it back when we have the

[0:21:18] Voice 11: community information later for the first period. Okay, then we will skip ahead here

[0:21:24] Voice 11: to the minutes page five of our agenda um are the minutes from our meeting of may 26th

[0:21:32] Voice 11: and uh any changes to the um minutes i didn't see anything okay and uh pages 5 to 13 um

[0:21:44] Voice 11: hearing no changes then can i have a motion to adjust can

[0:21:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): we adopt the move that we adopt the

[0:21:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): minutes from may the 26th okay thank

[0:21:51] Voice 10: you uh any more discussion

[0:21:54] Trustee Fast (probable): all in favor very good three hands

[0:21:56] Trustee Fast (probable): went up that passes thank

[0:21:57] Voice 11: you very much and uh then we're gonna nothing nothing we'll skip ahead

[0:22:01] Voice 11: to the follow-up action list page 14 of our agenda questions for the planners uh for

[0:22:12] Voice 11: anything you want to ask here i'm not seeing any uh but

[0:22:23] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm not i don't want to rush well this

[0:22:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): if i might i mean i was going to raise this in the i and i will raise it to the uh when we get

[0:22:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the keats shoreline project that there is a follow-up action related to the sea level rise

[0:22:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): question and wonder where we're at on that would you rather i just raise that when we get to that

[0:22:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): that actually plopped in front of me.

[0:22:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's

[0:22:45] Voice 8: still in progress.

[0:22:47] Voice 8: So we haven't seen

[0:22:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): a

[0:22:51] Voice 8: lot of data at this time.

[0:22:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[0:22:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, well, let's talk about that

[0:22:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): when we get to that item on the agenda,

[0:22:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): because that's the one I noticed that in the minutes

[0:23:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): that I wondered where that was at.

[0:23:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I just, for the record,

[0:23:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just note that number eight and under 26 May,

[0:23:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): I did the best management practices are on the website now.

[0:23:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that could probably be marked as completed um and i also i guess the other question is where

[0:23:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): are we going to still try and have a movie meeting this term or is that not going to happen

[0:23:26] Voice 11: i've put

[0:23:28] Voice 11: out two emails to what i think is the person i'm supposed to be speaking to now i haven't heard

[0:23:34] Voice 11: anything back all right

[0:23:35] Voice 11: i'll keep trying but things are getting towards the end so okay modi

[0:23:40] Voice 11: is ministry of transportation so it's about roads yeah yeah it's the bigger questions about road

[0:23:49] Voice 11: maintenance as a whole across all the islands as opposed to specific things such as potholes

[0:23:56] Voice 11: on west bay um and that um so of course going up to monkey you're actually pretty good about

[0:24:04] Voice 11: meeting with us.

[0:24:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): We haven't met this term, but that's probably a COVID

[0:24:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): function of COVID more than anything. But we did meet with them, I think, twice in the first

[0:24:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): term that we were doing last

[0:24:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): term.

[0:24:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we could ask them why Gambier gets snow

[0:24:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): removal when we don't get on the keys.

[0:24:24] Voice 11: But it's about public access, which is a big part of how do

[0:24:29] Voice 11: lands be used, which relates to the kind of work

[0:24:32] Voice 11: that we do in land use planning so that's great i i do have a question i'm just wondering we

[0:24:39] Voice 11: i didn't send through the corrections for the repair in your brochure have we managed to get

[0:24:44] Voice 11: that updated yes it's updated and um i never know where to find it i will confirm okay i think it's

[0:24:55] Voice 11: ideally so it's just the edits i suggested yeah okay great because

[0:24:58] Voice 10: it would be

[0:24:59] Voice 11: nice to get that

[0:25:00] Voice 11: as often as i can get that one out do you like to send it out as an email or i can just

[0:25:06] Voice 11: send it out

[0:25:06] Voice 11: we

[0:25:06] Voice 8: can probably send it out oh that's

[0:25:13] Voice 11: good okay thank you good okay this follow-up action list

[0:25:19] Voice 11: is things we've asked staff to do or follow-up that's required from previous meetings so

[0:25:25] Voice 11: anything else i

[0:25:28] Voice 8: did have a question about the first item on the follow-up activist we talked

[0:25:33] Voice 8: about it at our may meeting and that was getting some clarity around the levels of engagement

[0:25:41] Voice 8: based on the iap2 spectrum right rogers i believe you were gonna follow up

[0:25:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah

[0:25:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah. And I, if I, if I said I would follow up, I did not.

[0:25:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): And of course we didn't have a director of planning throughout that whole

[0:26:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): period. So where, where is that item anyway?

[0:26:06] Voice 10: It's page 14, top of page 14. LTC request.

[0:26:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): That, yeah, that, that should be a, an item that we get clarified.

[0:26:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): And not just for us, but for everybody.

[0:26:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I thought it had been clarified and so I'm still somewhat surprised it's not but I'll perhaps I will endeavor to raise it again at EC executive committee next week and see if we can get an answer because I had understood that there was a clear understanding that we could go to level three of IP to not level two, but we should figure that out and make sure there's a consistent direction to to all staff and to local trust committee.

[0:26:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): which doesn't mean you always go there it just means that's impossible and and we should get

[0:26:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): some clarity clarity about that but that's still outstanding um so i'll put that on my follow-up

[0:27:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): action list to take to the executive committee and i'll send an email us when this meeting is

[0:27:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): asked to be put on the executive yeah yeah oh sorry

[0:27:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah

[0:27:12] Voice 11: i um i don't have an exact answer

[0:27:15] Voice 11: for this particular question but i will say that um you know since we met the last i believe

[0:27:20] Voice 11: trust council did amend their best practices for best planning practices policy and there is a

[0:27:27] Voice 11: there is a portion that was added to it that includes adding the IAP to to our project

[0:27:35] Voice 11: charters so we are going to be implementing that so our project for charters going forward will

[0:27:43] Voice 11: we'll have a box for which level of IAPT we're using in this project.

[0:27:49] Voice 11: And I think you're right.

[0:27:51] Voice 11: I think level three is where we can go, but we don't have to complete.

[0:27:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right.

[0:27:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that became the issue.

[0:27:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): It came up about a year ago when we were talking about this.

[0:28:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Just

[0:28:03] Voice 11: for our audience, I think, too, is International

[0:28:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): Association

[0:28:09] Voice 11: of Public Participation.

[0:28:12] Voice 11: Correct.

[0:28:12] Voice 11: so it just refers to the ladder of involvement and engagement so used to be called a ladder

[0:28:20] Voice 11: so at the very bottom would be letting the community just know about what decisions have

[0:28:25] Voice 11: been made and as you move up the ladder it's more cooperative and more um how the community

[0:28:32] Voice 11: giving real input that helps shape the plans and that's what we'll be doing this afternoon

[0:28:39] Voice 11: noon is community input so that when we talk about the

[0:28:42] Trustee Fast (probable): levels it's kind of like are we just

[0:28:44] Trustee Fast (probable): telling people the decisions that we're making or are we inviting public participation

[0:28:49] Voice 11: uh so that

[0:28:51] Voice 11: that shapes um the work so that's what IAP2 is.

[0:29:00] Voice 11: Well thank you Dan and thank you Heather. Anything else here

[0:29:04] Voice 4: in

[0:29:06] Voice 11: the follow-up action list?

[0:29:08] Trustee Fast (probable): we're on 8.1 of the agenda right now and there's a couple of copies at the back if you want to

[0:29:13] Trustee Fast (probable): follow along might

[0:29:15] Voice 11: still be a couple of topics back there and um if not ask around there's one

[0:29:22] Voice 11: looks like there might be one on the front okay great all right

[0:29:28] Trustee Fast (probable): and then um and by the way this

[0:29:30] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting is being recorded i didn't say that right off the top but it's being live streamed and

[0:29:35] Trustee Fast (probable): recorded all

[0:29:36] Voice 11: being well okay and then um then let's move on from follow-up action list to 8.2

[0:29:42] Voice 11: just for everybody's reference this is the letter

[0:29:45] Trustee Fast (probable): page 19 of the agenda um this is the letter that

[0:29:50] Trustee Fast (probable): i sent to the uh how sound of kits and biosphere the un uh unesco biosphere reserve um

[0:30:00] Trustee Fast (probable): has been set up for House Elm and

[0:30:02] Voice 11: it's just saying that we still support it we want to be involved

[0:30:07] Voice 11: principles of cooperation that kind of thing let's just hear more for information

[0:30:15] Voice 11: did

[0:30:16] Voice 10: you want to say something

[0:30:16] Voice 11: I just wondered have we heard anything about

[0:30:19] Voice 11: um anybody else that's taken this up no I haven't

[0:30:25] Voice 4: I

[0:30:26] Voice 11: have um Bowen has done something similar as well

[0:30:30] Voice 11: And as I understood from Ruth Simon, most, anyway, she was rounding them up and most other communities had also sent a letter or adopted the principles or whatever.

[0:30:48] Voice 11: There's several different ways I think that people are doing it, but certainly the level of commitment is high and I haven't heard about anybody not being involved.

[0:30:58] Voice 11: won't. The interesting thing about, well, anyway, there's lots of interesting

[0:31:02] Voice 11: things about it. Have a look. I don't want to just talk.

[0:31:06] Voice 11: Okay. So moving on, we've got 8.3,

[0:31:10] Voice 11: which is, I think, related to 8.5.

[0:31:15] Voice 11: And this is just community feedback

[0:31:19] Voice 11: regarding the draft policy statement

[0:31:23] Voice 11: update. So this is the

[0:31:26] Voice 11: The Islands Trust policy statement is a bunch of high-level principles that are like a big

[0:31:33] Voice 11: umbrella over the whole trust area, and every island's official community plan is kind of

[0:31:39] Voice 11: under there and react in tune with it.

[0:31:46] Voice 11: So we're trying to, at the Islands Trust Council level, update it, because it's been years

[0:31:55] Voice 11: now 20 years or something and it needs to be updated with climate change and reconciliation

[0:32:00] Voice 11: and housing and a number of other rules and regulations and laws have changed so

[0:32:08] Voice 11: um did you want

[0:32:09] Trustee Fast (probable): to say something go ahead dan well

[0:32:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): i was just going to say this is quite a

[0:32:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): dated document um this

[0:32:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): 8.3 probably shouldn't be in our agenda package because it's about

[0:32:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): the community feedback from february to april of this year uh i just wanted to say two things one

[0:32:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): One is, from my staff report, sorry, trustee report,

[0:32:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): you would have heard that the policy statement

[0:32:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): is going back for a rework.

[0:32:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): There will be another full engagement process

[0:32:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): when it's ready to come out for first reading

[0:32:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the trust council,

[0:32:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): which will probably be in early 2023,

[0:32:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): and there will then be another engagement.

[0:32:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): So you'll see something similar.

[0:32:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): And at that point, and this, if I could, Madam Chair,

[0:32:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): when we get back to 8.5,

[0:32:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is the referral to the local trust committee,

[0:32:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee, it will come to the local trust committees then.

[0:32:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): The referral to the local trust committees

[0:32:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): has been actually deferred by the trust

[0:33:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): or recommended to be deferred by the Trust Policy Committee,

[0:33:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trust Programs Committee.

[0:33:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): So anyway, this will all come back in early 2023.

[0:33:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): You'll see this come out again, which

[0:33:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): doesn't mean you can't follow it as the process goes through

[0:33:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): or have your views known, but there

[0:33:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): will be a formal engagement process again

[0:33:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): once that happens.

[0:33:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, thanks.

[0:33:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): Very good.

[0:33:24] Trustee Fast (probable): When we put this agenda together,

[0:33:26] Trustee Fast (probable): your trust policy programs, many meetings hadn't happened.

[0:33:30] Trustee Fast (probable): So we weren't sure.

[0:33:31] Trustee Fast (probable): And so this is just partly because this is built

[0:33:35] Voice 11: on the bones of the agenda for the meeting

[0:33:38] Voice 11: that was canceled due to the power outages

[0:33:40] Voice 11: and things like that.

[0:33:41] Voice 11: So, but it does tell you some of the work

[0:33:44] Voice 11: that has been going

[0:33:44] Trustee Fast (probable): on and there will be more to come.

[0:33:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Good enough?

[0:33:50] Voice 11: I'm done.

[0:33:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Moving on. 8.4, Sandy Beach Management Plan. That's another one that's here. More for

[0:33:57] Trustee Fast (probable): information. It's just a link. I don't

[0:34:00] Voice 11: have it all in there. This is 8.4. So on the cover page,

[0:34:05] Voice 11: you can click that link and it takes you straight on page two. If you click that link, it takes you

[0:34:11] Voice 11: to the management

[0:34:13] Trustee Fast (probable): plan for Sandy Beach Nature Reserve with all the maps and everything you

[0:34:17] Trustee Fast (probable): wanted to know about it and how it's going to be taken care of and uh 8.5 and stress policy

[0:34:23] Voice 11: statement referral that's what trustee rogers was just speaking to it's going to come back to us

[0:34:27] Voice 11: again when we put this agenda together we weren't sure so we wanted to make sure we didn't miss it

[0:34:34] Voice 11: um and then uh we're

[0:34:37] Trustee Fast (probable): in two applications and referrals we're uh a little bit ahead of time

[0:34:42] Trustee Fast (probable): not bad. And, but we're at 9.1.

[0:34:47] Voice 10: And the proponents

[0:34:48] Voice 11: are here. Very good. I was wondering. Okay,

[0:34:52] Voice 10: so

[0:34:52] Voice 11: this is 9.1 is a development variance permit and 9.2 is a development permit for 1005 West

[0:35:01] Voice 11: Bay Road, Gambier Island, Gorgitza. Very good. And I'm going to turn it over then to, we're

[0:35:09] Voice 11: going to start on page 23 and i'm going to turn it over to steven ball so let me see if he's here

[0:35:17] Voice 11: with this can you not hear

[0:35:22] Voice 13: okay

[0:35:26] Voice 13: okay

[0:35:26] Trustee Fast (probable): then i'm going to take it off hearing that thank you for letting me know

[0:35:29] Voice 13: okay thank

[0:35:31] Trustee Fast (probable): you for letting me know because you

[0:35:33] Voice 13: start from the great beginning

[0:35:39] Trustee Fast (probable): okay thank you and uh and i think steven uh vaughn is trying to get in here i can see the

[0:35:46] Trustee Fast (probable): microphone and the i'm

[0:35:49] Voice 3: going to ask him to unmute let's see there he is oh

[0:35:57] Trustee Fast (probable): very good okay

[0:35:58] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh so steven is um uh with us coming in from afar and we should be able to hear him through

[0:36:06] Trustee Fast (probable): this computer so um please speak up a little bit stephen and uh please go ahead with your report

[0:36:12] Trustee Fast (probable): we're starting on page 23 and the applicants are in the room great

[0:36:17] Voice 6: great okay so hopefully you can

[0:36:19] Voice 6: hear me okay um this is

[0:36:21] Voice 11: here okay very good good

[0:36:24] Voice 6: uh so this is an application for a development

[0:36:28] Voice 6: variance permit to allow an existing accessory building house and deck in the setback to the

[0:36:34] Voice 6: natural boundary of water courses on the property staff are recommending approval of the variance

[0:36:40] Voice 6: request is there no present or anticipated negative effects on the sensitive ecosystems

[0:36:46] Voice 6: correspondence that's been received during the notice period didn't identify issues with the

[0:36:51] Voice 6: request but there was some responses in support of the application the dvp also has a companion

[0:36:58] Voice 6: development permit application and the LTC will be asked to consider that

[0:37:02] Voice 6: following this DVP decision.

[0:37:07] Voice 11: Okay. Thank you. And it's, it's quite a,

[0:37:11] Voice 11: carefully planned or a carefully

[0:37:13] Trustee Fast (probable): laid out report in our package and pages 23

[0:37:17] Trustee Fast (probable): to 44. And I'd like to ask other questions

[0:37:20] Voice 11: for the planner.

[0:37:23] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:37:25] Voice 11: Go ahead. I just have more comments than questions.

[0:37:29] Voice 11: I had the opportunity to go to this particular site on a site visit with the planner.

[0:37:39] Voice 11: It was just after a rainstorm, and it was a beautiful sunny day, but there was water pouring everywhere.

[0:37:47] Voice 11: This is a good example of how challenging placement can be on a small property when you're dealing with so many tributaries.

[0:37:58] Voice 11: we have known that Whispering Creek Watershed was going to be a certain challenge because there's

[0:38:06] Voice 11: more houses in that area but it was quite a it was stunning to see just how much water was

[0:38:13] Voice 11: involved right across this this area this watershed is big and there's a lot of water

[0:38:21] Voice 11: coming out of that area especially onto this property so I was uh I'm really glad I did

[0:38:26] Voice 11: managed to do that so thank you very much very good okay so the um

[0:38:37] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah yeah i just wanted to say on page 23 is where the uh report where the variances are all listed

[0:38:47] Trustee Fast (probable): if you wanted to see what they were and then um uh if the applicants would like to speak you've

[0:38:52] Trustee Fast (probable): got about five minutes in order to say what you'd like to say

[0:38:58] Trustee Fast (probable): concurrence with the report or differences from the report, and

[0:39:01] Trustee Fast (probable): or to let us know about

[0:39:03] Voice 11: any errors or omissions. And

[0:39:08] Voice 11: yeah,

[0:39:08] Voice 7: I firstly, I'd just like to say I'm very pleased at the

[0:39:12] Voice 7: recommendation that the trust staff planners made a property

[0:39:17] Voice 7: is very difficult in respect to development. We have three

[0:39:21] Voice 7: tributaries crisscrossing it and we have another tributary within the 30 meter wrapper riparian

[0:39:27] Voice 7: area protection and enhancement or broader the regulation um so what i did is i asked the uh

[0:39:34] Voice 7: qep to in its cumulative impact assessment report whether the uh new hardship provision of the

[0:39:42] Voice 7: riparian area regulations apply um the new hardship provisions allow the construction

[0:39:48] of

[0:39:48] Voice 7: a accessory building, among other things,

[0:39:52] Voice 7: within the 15-meter setback, and in fact,

[0:39:55] Voice 7: within a 10-meter streamside protection enhancement setback.

[0:39:58] Voice 7: That was one big concern.

[0:40:01] Voice 7: We reconstructed the shed based on an existing,

[0:40:07] Voice 7: pre-existing shed, which was constructed in 1997

[0:40:09] Voice 7: on the same site.

[0:40:12] Voice 7: When we read the bylaw, I don't know how to state

[0:40:17] Voice 7: state this, we misunderstood or didn't feel that the aspect, that the structure had to

[0:40:26] Voice 7: remain on its existing foundation, it's not a foundation, on its existing ground floor

[0:40:33] Voice 7: area.

[0:40:34] Voice 7: Under the Local Government Act, a similar regulation applies, and it actually specifically

[0:40:39] Voice 7: states that reconstruction, in order not to require a development permit, requires it

[0:40:50] Voice 7: to be on the existing footprint and on the existing foundation.

[0:40:56] Voice 7: Unfortunately, at that point, I was unaware of the Local Government Act regulation, on

[0:41:01] Voice 7: which the Islands Trust By-law is somewhat built on.

[0:41:06] Voice 7: And so the ground floor area to us seemed to be just kind of specifying that it needed to be on the existing footprint.

[0:41:19] Voice 7: So we took upon ourselves to deconstruct the old shed and then reconstruct the new shed.

[0:41:27] Voice 7: As it's pointed out in the staff report or in the cumulative impact assessment report,

[0:41:32] the existing shed, the old shed, had pre-assault filings driven into the ground to support it.

[0:41:39] Voice 7: These were replaced with concrete filings.

[0:41:43] Voice 7: So the environmental impact was positive in terms of the replacement.

[0:41:48] Voice 7: It's on the same footprint.

[0:41:50] Voice 7: The prior shed, of course, had been there for 25 years.

[0:41:54] Voice 7: we knew that there weren't any deleterious environmental impacts of the pre-existing shed

[0:42:00] Voice 7: but unfortunately we simply did not have such a great understanding of the bylaw that we should

[0:42:10] Voice 7: have i'd

[0:42:11] Voice 11: just like to point out as well uh there were three of us who read the read the bylaw and

[0:42:17] Voice 11: discussed it ad nauseam and um we didn't realize that we needed to be directed elsewhere um after

[0:42:25] Voice 11: looking at uh the bylaws now they're you know in bold it tells you to call a planner or it uh it

[0:42:33] Voice 11: would be really nice to be sent to the appropriate uh session and so we really felt that um we were

[0:42:41] Voice 11: exempt the other thing is that um we were totally unaware of how many tributaries there actually

[0:42:47] Voice 11: were on the property until um well uh the madrone were parked for number one and then we did have

[0:42:56] Voice 11: uh the topographic survey done and i don't know about you but i

[0:43:01] Voice 2: looked at the diagrams my eyes

[0:43:03] Voice 2: crisscross i didn't even realize that stuff was happening underneath our house so back in

[0:43:10] Voice 11: 1993 when we built our house we got a permit we talked to islands trust we got rubber stamped we

[0:43:17] Voice 11: talked to islands trust about what do we need to provide and so who knows how what happened way

[0:43:22] Voice 11: back when then um also when stephen was visiting um and as kate has has said it was a very rainy

[0:43:30] Voice 11: day and in the last um i would say 10 or 12 years we've actually had trees come down on the back of

[0:43:38] Voice 11: our property and and we haven't taken them down nature has done its thing but a whole roof ball

[0:43:45] Voice 11: upends itself and the water pattern changes and uh so so there's nothing that we can do about that

[0:43:55] Voice 11: and so so um you know do we can't move our house we don't want to move our our shed because where

[0:44:04] Voice 11: Where else would we move it?

[0:44:06] Voice 11: There isn't any place.

[0:44:07] Voice 11: And if we had to move it or if we had to mitigate anything,

[0:44:11] Voice 11: we'd start this process all over again.

[0:44:13] Voice 11: And I don't think it's worth it.

[0:44:18] Voice 11: Thank you very much.

[0:44:19] Voice 11: I think that's pretty clear.

[0:44:20] Trustee Fast (probable): And I would encourage anybody, before you do anything,

[0:44:25] Trustee Fast (probable): call the planner, right,

[0:44:27] Trustee Fast (probable): to make sure that you're not missing something

[0:44:31] Trustee Fast (probable): or that you've got all the information that you need,

[0:44:33] Trustee Fast (probable): or

[0:44:34] Voice 11: email northinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca.

[0:44:37] Voice 11: Would that be right?

[0:44:39] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:44:39] Voice 11: May I speak to that?

[0:44:42] Voice 11: Absolutely.

[0:44:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[0:44:44] Trustee Fast (probable): I want to.

[0:44:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[0:44:45] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:44:45] Trustee Fast (probable): But we've got a break coming up,

[0:44:47] Trustee Fast (probable): and that's a great time to get that kind of input.

[0:44:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[0:44:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Right?

[0:44:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:44:52] Trustee Fast (probable): And, you know, regional planning managers here as well as our new planner.

[0:44:57] Trustee Fast (probable): And so thank you.

[0:44:58] Trustee Fast (probable): We've heard from both of you,

[0:45:00] Trustee Fast (probable): and we've heard from Stephen.

[0:45:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Stephen, did you have anything else you wanted to say

[0:45:06] Trustee Fast (probable): before we go to the trustees?

[0:45:08] Voice 6: No, I don't think so.

[0:45:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you, Planner Bough.

[0:45:12] Trustee Fast (probable): And then, so trustees, what would you like to do?

[0:45:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Page

[0:45:17] Voice 11: 23 here.

[0:45:18] Voice 11: I would like to make a motion.

[0:45:20] Voice 11: Okay, and I'll comment on it.

[0:45:22] Voice 11: I move that the Gagarin Local Trust Committee

[0:45:25] Voice 11: approve issuance of Development Variance Permit GM-DBP 2022.

[0:45:30] Voice 11: to thank you second okay

[0:45:33] Voice 10: thank you moved and seconded and uh and i just

[0:45:37] Voice 11: i'd just like to

[0:45:38] Voice 11: recognize how difficult this was how long it took uh and partially this was because of the timing

[0:45:46] Voice 11: around how the preparing area protection regulations were coming in versus the provincial

[0:45:54] Voice 11: regulations versus what we were putting in as the local trust committee, and that the

[0:46:02] Voice 11: difficulty it was for the proponents to go through the hoops to figure out what was the

[0:46:09] Voice 11: appropriate direction.

[0:46:11] Voice 11: And I do feel that this was particularly difficult and long.

[0:46:18] Voice 11: I hope this doesn't happen again in this scenario.

[0:46:22] Voice 11: I hope we've learned. Everyone's learned. I've certainly learned a lot.

[0:46:27] Voice 11: And that yes, we always call them planners.

[0:46:32] Voice 11: But yeah, it was very complicated. And I just hope to see that the neighbors in this area

[0:46:40] Voice 11: can have the recognition of how this watershed impacts everybody in that area.

[0:46:47] Voice 11: so that's what i really want to say about that particular thing thank you motion thanks i haven't

[0:46:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): had the opportunity to visit the property but i've read all the materials and i also support

[0:46:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): the motion uh it does strike me that this is a part of our call in our um our our process that

[0:47:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're going to be is sort of difficult growing as we go into the raw protections and how we do that

[0:47:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i'm guessing there are other areas in the island as there are on many islands where water

[0:47:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): courses change where there's water issues where things probably shouldn't have been built where

[0:47:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): they were built 40 years ago we certainly see that all the time on the waterfront where things are

[0:47:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): built where they shouldn't have been but they were built many many years ago and this is the

[0:47:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): appropriate way to try and mitigate these and thanks to the applicants for doing the work

[0:47:40] Voice 10: okay thank you yes i've read the materials

[0:47:43] Voice 11: and uh and it seems uh clear especially with your

[0:47:46] Voice 11: comments about the trees and the changing water courses which i hadn't realized either so um thank

[0:47:53] Voice 11: you

[0:47:54] Voice 10: very much i'm in support as well so any more uh discussion okay then i'm going to call the

[0:47:58] Voice 10: question all those in favor one two three hands go up thank you very much that motion passes and

[0:48:04] Voice 10: going to

[0:48:05] Trustee Fast (probable): move on to that dvp permit can be issued we've approved the issuance of it and we're going

[0:48:12] Trustee Fast (probable): to move on now to 9.2 which is related this is the development permit and so i'm going to go back

[0:48:18] Trustee Fast (probable): through the process again and over to you planner bob sure

[0:48:24] Voice 6: so i'll just i'll just point out that the

[0:48:26] Voice 6: development permit is uh for the construction of the accessory building only um and staff are

[0:48:32] Voice 6: recommending approval of this permit as well given that the guidelines of development permit

[0:48:37] Voice 6: area three riparian areas appear to be satisfied through the recommendations of that QEP report

[0:48:42] Voice 6: and the QEP did note that in order to protect the the spea that setback area and arborist should be

[0:48:49] Voice 6: retained to assess tree health and stability prior to any tree removals and so this has been

[0:48:54] Voice 6: included as a condition on that draft permit.

[0:48:58] Voice 10: Thank you and I'll just for anybody wondering

[0:49:02] Voice 10: I'm wondering, QEP

[0:49:03] Trustee Fast (probable): is Qualified Environmental Professional, so it's somebody with a certification,

[0:49:08] Trustee Fast (probable): and SPIA is Streamside Protection.

[0:49:13] Voice 7: In the Hanson area.

[0:49:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:49:15] Trustee Fast (probable): The applicant's name is...

[0:49:16] Voice 7: Well, they've apparently learned.

[0:49:19] Voice 7: Yes.

[0:49:19] Voice 7: I've

[0:49:20] Trustee Fast (probable): learned a lot

[0:49:20] Voice 7: about the environmental system here in

[0:49:22] Voice 7: Columbia in the last few years.

[0:49:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, I bet.

[0:49:25] Trustee Fast (probable): And RAR, which was referred to earlier as Biparion Areas Regulation, which I think now

[0:49:30] Trustee Fast (probable): we should be calling WRAPR.

[0:49:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[0:49:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's just

[0:49:32] Trustee Fast (probable): right now period areas protection

[0:49:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): regulation

[0:49:35] Voice 11: right yes

[0:49:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're right okay thank you

[0:49:37] Voice 11: and uh just for anybody watching and wondering what we're talking about

[0:49:42] Voice 11: okay and uh so um

[0:49:44] Voice 11: any questions for the planner trustees um it's trustee stanford here um what does a greenfield

[0:49:55] Voice 11: lot mean maybe i should know this by now but what is that term greenfield

[0:50:01] Voice 6: lot is an undeveloped lot

[0:50:04] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:50:04] Voice 11: It just has a capital G, so I thought it meant something else. Okay. And I've just got some comments, but I can go into it later. Okay. Thank you. I think Greenfield plot is distinct from a Brownfield plot. Would that be correct?

[0:50:21] Trustee Fast (probable): That's right.

[0:50:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Yes, everybody agrees. Very good. Okay. Did you have any questions, Dan? Okay, thank you. Then, then I'm, I don't have any either. This seems straightforward, especially with the report ahead of it. So we're looking at pages 45 to 109.

[0:50:40] Voice 11: And the photos, page 72, page 108.

[0:50:45] Voice 11: And the recommendation is on page 45.

[0:50:52] Voice 12: I can make it if you want.

[0:50:54] Voice 11: All

[0:50:55] Voice 12: right.

[0:50:57] Voice 11: Go ahead, Kate and Lisa.

[0:50:58] Voice 11: I move that the Gangarang Local Trust Committee approve issuance of GMDP

[0:51:04] Voice 11: 2022.2. Thank you. Do I have a seconder?

[0:51:07] Voice 11: Sure. Okay. And moved and seconded. Comments? Yeah, I just would

[0:51:11] Voice 11: like to say again, I appreciate the work that's gone into

[0:51:15] Voice 11: this. And note that by

[0:51:18] Voice 11: by replacing the crease of foundational base

[0:51:22] Voice 11: with proper concrete base.

[0:51:25] Voice 11: This actually is a bonus for the environment.

[0:51:28] Voice 11: And that I think is a good way forward.

[0:51:32] Voice 11: I was gonna ask the proponent,

[0:51:35] Voice 11: when they talk about removing trees

[0:51:38] Voice 11: and having an arborist come in for consultation,

[0:51:44] Voice 11: do you think that, do you find that a realistic request?

[0:51:47] Voice 11: request, because we will be getting this that's perfectly okay. We wouldn't we haven't removed any, any trees for it's part

[0:52:00] Voice 4: of the condition, but there

[0:52:03] Voice 11: shouldn't be any there shouldn't be any need to remove a

[0:52:06] Voice 2: tree unless it's a danger tree.

[0:52:07] Voice 2: and we would

[0:52:10] Voice 11: certainly hire a certified arborist.

[0:52:14] Voice 7: And we're aware of the bylaw in the referred-in areas

[0:52:18] Voice 7: that pertains to removal of trees.

[0:52:20] Voice 7: We have danger trees which are going to need to be removed,

[0:52:23] Voice 7: so I think we'll be dealing with that.

[0:52:25] Voice 7: We'll

[0:52:26] Voice 11: be dealing with other issues.

[0:52:31] Voice 11: Okay, really, that's all the comments I have.

[0:52:33] Voice 11: And just so people understand, a development permit

[0:52:35] Voice 11: it's more of a standard.

[0:52:38] Voice 11: There's not a question of judgment.

[0:52:40] Voice 11: It's more, do you meet all, do you tick all the boxes?

[0:52:43] Voice 11: If you do, then there's not the question of judgment

[0:52:49] Voice 11: in there, it's just

[0:52:49] Voice 11: yes or no.

[0:52:51] Voice 11: So you're content, yeah.

[0:52:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Which is why I just finished the,

[0:52:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're moving in the direction where development permits

[0:52:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): are gonna be issued by staff rather than by,

[0:53:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): rather than come to the trust committee

[0:53:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): where they'll work through.

[0:53:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we aren't there yet,

[0:53:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): but the authority has now been granted by the province to delegate that to staff if

[0:53:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): if a local trust committee wants to in certain circumstances so anyway because there is you

[0:53:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): you do the work related to a developed development of a development permit in advance

[0:53:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): you provide all the requirements in advance as opposed to a variance which tends to be

[0:53:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): site specific so okay i'll be voting in favor so yeah

[0:53:30] Voice 10: thank you for that i was

[0:53:32] Voice 11: just uh happy to

[0:53:33] Voice 11: note the removal of the creosote from the watershed and from the influence on fish and critters

[0:53:40] Voice 11: downstream and uh that's significant and the deck was removed as well i believe

[0:53:47] Trustee Fast (probable): so that's all uh

[0:53:48] Trustee Fast (probable): positive and you meet the requirements so i don't have any questions or anything so i'd like to

[0:53:53] Trustee Fast (probable): ask uh are we ready to call the question okay then i'm

[0:53:58] Voice 10: gonna ask for all those in favor

[0:53:59] Voice 10: three

[0:54:00] Voice 11: hands go up thank you that motion passes and um we have uh approved issuance of the

[0:54:06] Voice 11: development permit thank you very much okay thanks

[0:54:09] Voice 10: and you've got a few minutes to say

[0:54:11] Voice 10: if you um want to say anything else after the ldc if you want to ask questions for clarification or

[0:54:17] Voice 10: direction

[0:54:17] Voice 11: to staff you're all you know what's going on okay we'll be calling okay all

[0:54:23] Voice 10: right

[0:54:24] Voice 10: All right. Thank

[0:54:24] Voice 11: you very much. Ben Banks, nice to see you both. Yeah.

[0:54:28] Voice 10: Now let's move on to 9.3. This is Keats

[0:54:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Island Development Variance Permit and...

[0:54:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm recusing myself from the decision process on this particular matter, so I'll leave the room and I'm going to go that way and then I'll come around, I'll be out that side.

[0:54:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[0:54:47] Voice 11: So we'll come and get you after we've talked about this.

[0:54:50] Voice 11: And, Chair, I believe the applicant was going to try to attend via phone, the Zoom opening.

[0:54:59] Voice 11: Oh,

[0:54:59] Voice 10: I've got people

[0:55:00] Voice 11: in the waiting

[0:55:00] Voice 10: room. My apologies.

[0:55:03] Voice 10: Ann Baker and Mike Richards.

[0:55:06] Voice 10: That's them.

[0:55:07] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:55:08] Voice 10: Hello, Ann Baker.

[0:55:24] Voice 11: Good morning, or I should say good afternoon.

[0:55:27] Voice 11: Yes. Sorry to keep you waiting.

[0:55:29] Voice 11: I'm Sue Ellen Fast, chair of the local trust committee, and Mike Richards is joining us here as well.

[0:55:40] Voice 3: I'm

[0:55:40] Voice 11: asking him to unmute.

[0:55:47] Voice 5: Hi there. Can you hear me okay?

[0:55:49] Voice 5: Very

[0:55:49] Voice 10: good. I'm glad to connect with you. Apologies for

[0:55:53] Trustee Fast (probable): leaving you in the waiting room there.

[0:55:54] Trustee Fast (probable): We've just finished sections 9.1 and 9.2 of the agenda, and we're here on Gambier Island.

[0:56:03] Trustee Fast (probable): I think you can see most of us.

[0:56:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Rogers from Keats has recused himself from this particular decision.

[0:56:09] Trustee Fast (probable): And so he's outside of the room and we won't be hearing from him.

[0:56:13] Trustee Fast (probable): And we've got staff with us further down the table.

[0:56:17] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm just going to move ahead now.

[0:56:20] Trustee Fast (probable): This is starting on page 110.

[0:56:21] Voice 11: Excuse me, I'm behind here.

[0:56:27] Voice 11: And I'm assuming that everybody can hear me okay.

[0:56:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. And this one, Heather, our regional planning manager, prepared this report.

[0:56:41] Trustee Fast (probable): And so maybe I can just ask,

[0:56:46] Voice 11: Anne Baker, are you a staff person or do you both belong at the same address?

[0:56:54] Voice 11: No, I'm legal counsel for Mr. Richards and his family.

[0:56:58] Voice 11: Yeah. Thank you. That helps.

[0:57:02] Voice 11: And then I'm going

[0:57:03] Voice 10: to turn

[0:57:06] Trustee Fast (probable): it over, everybody can hear okay, we've got you coming out of a speaker here, there's a few members of the public in attendance, and I'm going to turn it over to regional planning manager

[0:57:14] Voice 11: Heather Coward to speak to her report, please take it away Heather.

[0:57:19] Voice 11: Okay. So this is a development variance permit. Staff are recommending approval. And the development is a, there's a piece of property with a set of stairs that goes down to the beach. There are two decks, and there's a gazebo. So that's the development. There isn't currently a dwelling on the property.

[0:57:45] Voice 11: um the gambier the keats bylaw requires typically that a well it requires that a principal use

[0:57:55] Voice 11: beyond a property before accessory um structures and these are accessory structures so that's

[0:58:00] Voice 11: one issue that we're dealing with on this particular um property the other one is well

[0:58:08] Voice 11: there's two more one is that um the structures are within setbacks they're supposed to be set

[0:58:15] Voice 11: back from the natural boundary of the sea and they're within that setback area um the other

[0:58:23] Voice 11: is that there are actually kind of two zoning designations so there's a particular set of zoning

[0:58:29] Voice 11: regulations above so landward of the natural boundary and there's another set that are

[0:58:35] Voice 11: c word of the natural boundary so in terms of the principal use and accessory use um the the

[0:58:44] Voice 11: the trustees passed a standing resolution

[0:58:48] Voice 11: that would allow for this kind of situation

[0:58:52] Voice 11: where an accessory building is built before a principal.

[0:58:55] Voice 11: If the two lots are in the same ownership,

[0:58:59] Voice 11: this particular applicant actually went through the process

[0:59:03] Voice 11: of getting that situation legally, not even, sorry.

[0:59:11] Voice 11: The two lots are now in common ownership,

[0:59:14] Voice 11: His name is on both properties.

[0:59:17] Voice 11: So that part of the Standing Resolution is met.

[0:59:23] Voice 11: And let me clarify that the Standing Resolution says that there won't be by-law enforcement

[0:59:30] Voice 11: on this situation if there's common ownership.

[0:59:34] Voice 11: It doesn't necessarily

[0:59:35] Voice 8: make it fully compliant with zoning, it just says we aren't going

[0:59:41] Voice 8: going to

[0:59:41] Voice 11: be sending bylaw enforcement after you if that's the situation so um the study resolution

[0:59:48] Voice 11: also says this well we won't send bylaw enforcement out if the development is otherwise legal so um

[1:00:01] Voice 11: So right now, it isn't because it doesn't meet the setback requirement.

[1:00:08] Voice 11: So the variance, if it were approved, would make it otherwise legal from

[1:00:14] Voice 8: a setback standpoint

[1:00:16] Voice 8: landward of that natural boundary.

[1:00:18] Voice 10: Say that again?

[1:00:20] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:00:20] Voice 8: So right now, the development is not otherwise legal because it doesn't meet the setback

[1:00:28] Voice 11: requirements.

[1:00:29] Voice 11: On the deck.

[1:00:30] Voice 11: On the deck.

[1:00:31] Voice 11: Yes.

[1:00:31] Voice 11: or the gazebo. Those are within those setbacks. So the variance would make that bring it more

[1:00:44] Voice 11: fully into compliance because of the setback issue. On the landward side. On the landward side.

[1:00:51] Voice 11: So the issue that's left is what's C-word of that natural boundary? And part of our issue has been

[1:01:00] Voice 11: that we actually, there were two surveys submitted to us.

[1:01:06] Voice 11: One survey, both by the same surveyor,

[1:01:09] Voice 11: both signed by the same surveyor.

[1:01:12] Voice 11: One of them indicates a natural boundary

[1:01:14] Voice 11: that is essentially the subdivision plan.

[1:01:18] Voice 11: When this was, when it was subdivided,

[1:01:21] Voice 11: there was a line drawn on the map

[1:01:23] Voice 11: that said this is the natural boundary

[1:01:25] Voice 11: and it's also the property line.

[1:01:26] Voice 11: But we got another survey from the same surveyor that showed the present natural boundary as being further up from that, further landward of that property line.

[1:01:40] Voice 11: And in fact, that that natural boundary bisected the lower deck, which meant that there was construction seaward of the natural, the present natural boundary.

[1:01:55] Voice 11: and the bylaw um makes the distinct that the present natural boundary

[1:02:02] Voice 11: um is that line that that bisects the two zoning uh designations right um and it defines present

[1:02:11] Voice 11: natural boundary as as not the survey property line but the actual mark upon the land that the

[1:02:18] Voice 11: water creates so um so there's been some confusion about we have two different surveys showing two

[1:02:26] Voice 11: different lines which one is correct um uh based on the the survey that we got that showed that

[1:02:34] Voice 11: deck being bisected we had to say a staff this deck is not allowed because it's a use that is

[1:02:42] Voice 11: not allowed by the zoning of that that area everything is that's c word of that line and

[1:02:50] Voice 11: the the variance um our our recommendation reflects that so we are recommending that

[1:02:58] Voice 11: everything

[1:02:59] Voice 8: landward of the natural boundary of the sea bill be receive the variance um

[1:03:05] Voice 8: they need it for the setback and it would so it's now a zero setback um

[1:03:09] Voice 11: but that anything

[1:03:10] Voice 11: things c word of that line not be allowed because it's not allowed as a use by the zoning and a

[1:03:16] Voice 11: variance permit cannot vary use so since i wrote my staff report and made this recommendation the

[1:03:27] Voice 11: applicant has provided an updated survey and in fact i think we got that this morning i don't

[1:03:33] Voice 11: know if you all have been able to see that

[1:03:36] Voice 12: um

[1:03:36] Voice 11: and you know the applicant will be able to speak to

[1:03:39] Voice 11: this after I'm done, but there was a photograph that showed the site and there was a new survey.

[1:03:52] Voice 11: The new surveyed natural boundary line is further towards the water than that original survey that

[1:04:01] Voice 11: that we have that is attached now to the permit,

[1:04:04] Voice 11: but it still shows some of the deck

[1:04:09] Voice 11: seaward of that natural boundary.

[1:04:11] Voice 11: And based on that, my recommendation remains the same.

[1:04:17] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:04:20] Voice 11: So hopefully that makes sense.

[1:04:24] Voice 11: I'm recommending approval of the issuance

[1:04:28] Voice 11: of the development variance permit

[1:04:29] Voice 11: for everything landward of that natural boundary.

[1:04:37] Voice 11: And the permit reflects that.

[1:04:43] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:04:46] Voice 11: What, questions from the planner

[1:04:48] Voice 11: before we go to the applicant?

[1:04:50] Voice 11: I'm just wondering, there was a whole series of,

[1:04:54] Voice 11: part of this report is on the bylaw infractions

[1:04:57] Voice 11: and back and forth and then the board of variance response do you want to speak to that now or speak

[1:05:05] Voice 11: to them gosh because well i just don't understand it like as far as how that impacts this and

[1:05:17] Voice 11: um board of variance negated the bylaw infraction where we're at right now right and i don't think

[1:05:26] Voice 11: it was i don't think it was a fourth appearance i'm i'm trying to remember which which part

[1:05:31] Voice 10: it actually

[1:05:32] Voice 11: went to an adjudication oh that's what it was

[1:05:35] Voice 10: yeah yeah yeah and so yeah that's

[1:05:37] Voice 10: our

[1:05:37] Voice 11: system here now yeah it did actually go to an education and what the education said was

[1:05:43] Voice 11: my interpretation the applicant may have a different one is that because there are two

[1:05:48] Voice 11: different surveys by the same surveyor this is how i interpret it because there are two surveys

[1:05:53] Voice 11: by the same surveyor signed by the same surveyor

[1:05:57] Voice 11: that are different, there can't be a determination

[1:06:01] Voice 11: as to how we should move forward on that.

[1:06:04] Voice 11: So that's how I read the adjudication decision.

[1:06:08] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:06:09] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:06:10] Voice 11: That they couldn't adjudicate.

[1:06:11] Voice 11: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:06:13] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:06:14] Voice 11: Right.

[1:06:16] Voice 11: Okay. Thank you.

[1:06:17] Voice 11: And so before we get to discussion,

[1:06:21] Voice 11: I think that answers most of my questions, too.

[1:06:30] Voice 11: And perhaps the applicants

[1:06:33] Voice 10: would like to speak according to our guidelines for public participation.

[1:06:37] Voice 10: If you've got up to five minutes,

[1:06:40] Trustee Fast (probable): you may speak in order to indicate your concurrence with the report and the recommendations or to advise us of any errors or omissions.

[1:06:47] Trustee Fast (probable): And then after the LTC makes a decision,

[1:06:51] Voice 11: Trustee Stamford and I, then you may ask questions of clarification and things.

[1:06:58] Voice 11: So you have another opportunity to speak. And so who would like to speak or would you like to speak?

[1:07:05] Voice 5: Sure. Thank you, Chair Vest. Natalie has some comments as well, but I just wanted to say thanks very much for your time today.

[1:07:11] Voice 5: today. And, you know, the structure has been there for a very long time. And as noted in the staff report, you know, with the topography of the area, there is, you know, sort of little to no visual impact on the neighboring properties. It does have overwhelming community support, which I'm very grateful for. And I'd be grateful if council would approve the permit. And Natalie has some comments as well.

[1:07:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay,

[1:07:35] Voice 11: thank you. Go ahead, Natalie.

[1:07:39] Voice 11: thank you i don't have too much to add i would also just like to uh thank staff um heather for

[1:07:46] Voice 11: her report which i think was very helpful uh the only thing i i would like to address is um

[1:07:56] Voice 11: the first thing is the new just to be clear is that the new the new survey does confirm that

[1:08:01] Voice 11: that almost all of the structure is outside

[1:08:03] Voice 11: the present natural boundary.

[1:08:06] Voice 11: And so the relaxation that is being requested

[1:08:11] Voice 11: would cover, actually cover most of what's there.

[1:08:14] Voice 11: I believe there's only about a 12 inch overhang

[1:08:18] Voice 11: over that new survey,

[1:08:20] Voice 11: which confirms where the present natural boundary is.

[1:08:22] Voice 11: I would just add that there's a bit of where there's,

[1:08:26] Voice 11: we maybe don't see eye to eye entirely

[1:08:28] Voice 11: that I don't think you need to resolve this

[1:08:30] Voice 11: is that the zoning bylaw actually speaks of the natural boundary

[1:08:33] Voice 11: and it doesn't speak of the present natural boundary.

[1:08:36] Voice 11: And so in our view, it's those land title documents

[1:08:39] Voice 11: that survey from the surveyor that shows the entire structure

[1:08:44] Voice 11: outside of the natural boundary, which should apply.

[1:08:48] Voice 11: But if SAP is prepared to support a zero setback

[1:08:54] Voice 11: from the present natural boundary,

[1:08:56] Voice 11: I understand that the Richards family are happy with that and if necessary that they remove the 12 inch overhang 12 by 12 by, I think it's 12 by nine feet overhang over the present natural boundary.

[1:09:13] Voice 11: And in order to have the requested variance there they are prepared to do that and again it's an old structure it was there.

[1:09:22] Voice 11: you know 30 years ago when the when the natural boundary was as shown in the land title documents

[1:09:29] Voice 11: um so i mean in our view the whole thing should be allowed to remain but uh they're happy to reach

[1:09:37] Voice 11: some sort of compromise here and if it's taking off that portion that goes over the present

[1:09:41] Voice 11: natural boundary to have that

[1:09:43] Voice 8: variance they're prepared to do it thank

[1:09:47] Voice 11: you very much and uh

[1:09:48] Voice 11: And that's, that's great. That was just the

[1:09:51] Voice 10: three minutes. So very good. And I'm keeping

[1:09:57] Voice 10: track of time here. Sorry, taking notes. And I would like to ask, trustee Stanford, did

[1:10:05] Voice 10: you have

[1:10:06] Voice 11: anything you want to say? No, I was gonna help Heather. Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah,

[1:10:11] Voice 11: I just have one comment. I want to make sure that the trustees have seen this latest survey

[1:10:15] Voice 11: so that you see what we're talking about.

[1:10:18] Voice 11: Okay, let us get into our email here.

[1:10:20] Voice 11: That's a good point.

[1:10:24] Voice 11: And I will say that the current permit as drafted

[1:10:29] Voice 11: has an older

[1:10:31] Voice 8: version of the survey.

[1:10:32] Voice 8: So if this newer survey is accepted,

[1:10:35] Voice 8: we would want to make sure we're replacing

[1:10:39] Voice 8: the draft permit version of this

[1:10:43] Voice 11: and make sure that this new survey is attached.

[1:10:45] Voice 11: so we would need to say something in our motion about as per the survey data yes and uh i just

[1:10:52] Voice 11: don't see it it's under will he's the one that sent him and uh oh okay here we go yes thank you

[1:11:01] Voice 11: let me just

[1:11:01] Voice 3: have a look yeah that is last minute 10 13.

[1:11:07] Voice 3: 13.

[1:11:10] Voice 11: Okay. Very good. I can see that here. Okay, good. Then I'm going to go back to my agenda.

[1:11:24] Voice 11: And oh, okay. Just a second here. I got to get back to page 110.

[1:11:35] Voice 11: Are you having technical? Yeah. Well, I'll just say a few words to get things

[1:11:43] Voice 11: going here um thank you for the new survey and uh i'm

[1:11:49] Trustee Fast (probable): just making sure everybody can see what

[1:11:50] Trustee Fast (probable): they've got okay

[1:11:51] Voice 11: and uh i'm waiting for um trustee stanford's trying to

[1:11:57] Voice 11: think of how to make the

[1:12:00] Voice 11: motion um so i i'm now that i've had confirmation of how this is all worked through and that i'm

[1:12:10] Voice 11: glad to hear the proponents um are in concurrence with how this is being written out i'd like to

[1:12:19] Voice 11: make the motion but i just want to make sure it's for the right dvp um so i'm just going to add

[1:12:29] Voice 11: as per report received September 1st.

[1:12:38] Voice 11: As per the survey, I'm just trying to see

[1:12:43] Voice 11: what the difference is and that's why I can't.

[1:12:45] Voice 11: Yeah, and if I may,

[1:12:48] Voice 11: I think the motion we would start with is

[1:12:51] Voice 11: we're gonna amend the draft permit

[1:12:53] Voice 11: by replacing the site

[1:12:57] Voice 8: plan

[1:13:00] Voice 8: attached to the permit with,

[1:13:02] Voice 11: here we go,

[1:13:05] Voice 11: survey, I think would be best if we have the surveyors name on it.

[1:13:10] Voice 11: So Javier Su is the name,

[1:13:14] Voice 11: submitted on September 1st, 2022.

[1:13:19] Voice 11: Javier Su.

[1:13:21] Voice 11: S-I

[1:13:21] Voice 12: -U is the way that that's spelled.

[1:13:27] Voice 12: September 1st.

[1:13:32] Voice 12: Let's start this off.

[1:13:35] Voice 11: I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee amend

[1:13:40] Voice 11: the draft my whole thing just disappeared um the draft report for gmdbp permit permit for gmdbp

[1:13:58] Voice 11: 2021.6 by replacing the site plan survey by javier

[1:14:08] Voice 3: sue with the survey

[1:14:17] Voice 11: received september 1st

[1:14:20] Voice 11: 2022. I think that works. Okay, because we

[1:14:25] Voice 10: have to make sure we've got the right one.

[1:14:26] Voice 11: Yeah. So

[1:14:27] Voice 11: that's a start. So we're putting the name on the, so the name of the surveyor is related to the one

[1:14:37] Voice 11: that's being replaced. Yeah, it's both. I mean, it is the same person. Okay, yeah, that's fine.

[1:14:44] Voice 11: and uh then

[1:14:46] Voice 10: as long as that's clear then um you may okay if you think that's clear that's great

[1:14:53] Voice 11: i think it's pretty clear more or less had a good idea which was that we could probably give the

[1:14:58] Voice 11: date of the survey as opposed to the date

[1:15:00] Voice 12: yeah it's the same

[1:15:01] Voice 11: that's why i'm having trouble with

[1:15:03] Voice 11: this yeah i think that's it i think that's fair so the date on the survey itself is um august 29th

[1:15:10] Voice 11: The field survey was, sorry, it's signed on August 30th, 2022.

[1:15:17] Voice 11: So can I just make a friendly amendment, Diane?

[1:15:22] Voice 11: The survey signed on August 30th by Habi Su.

[1:15:31] Voice 11: Okay, I'm seconding

[1:15:33] Voice 10: the motion.

[1:15:34] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:15:36] Voice 11: And did you want to speak to the motion?

[1:15:40] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:15:40] Voice 11: Okay, I'm just going to

[1:15:42] Trustee Fast (probable): say a few things of one is thank you for doing the extra survey and providing the extra clarification and and

[1:15:51] Voice 11: I'm glad that the process is satisfactory, I'm personally here to preserve and protect so to me, the

[1:16:04] Voice 11: The allowing a zero meter setback on the upstream side is pretty significant.

[1:16:16] Voice 11: And so I'm, anyway, I'm pleased with the staff work and everything.

[1:16:22] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm supportive of the amendment that we're talking about now.

[1:16:26] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'd like to do, you don't have any more comments on the amendment?

[1:16:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so I'll call the question on the amendment.

[1:16:32] Trustee Fast (probable): All in favor?

[1:16:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:16:34] Trustee Fast (probable): so the amendment passes

[1:16:36] Voice 11: and then do you want to make a move that the gambler on local trust

[1:16:40] Voice 11: committee approved issuance of gmdbp 2021.6 that's amended they're good as amended and

[1:16:49] Voice 11: i second that thank you and then um any

[1:16:54] Trustee Fast (probable): more discussion no

[1:16:56] Voice 11: there's quite the report and quite

[1:16:58] Voice 11: the process again and it's that difficulty of natural process is is trying to develop land

[1:17:06] Voice 11: planning around natural processes that are also changing quicker and quicker so this zero setback

[1:17:13] Voice 11: could be changed within 10 years you can see that natural boundary of the sea moving up again

[1:17:19] Voice 11: but we can't control that at this point so I just hopefully you know hope for the best once this is

[1:17:27] Voice 11: all sorted um because of that zero setback right yeah i mean we've got uh climate change and sea

[1:17:33] Voice 11: level rise and all those things happening as well as uh challenges to biodiversity and the wild

[1:17:39] Voice 11: flowers

[1:17:40] Trustee Fast (probable): and the butterflies and hummingbirds that may come by so uh that's great i will uh

[1:17:46] Trustee Fast (probable): call the question all those in favor okay so the development variance permit passes as amended

[1:17:53] Trustee Fast (probable): ended. So that's all passed. And did you want to say a few words or ask any questions about what

[1:17:59] Trustee Fast (probable): happens next? After the LTC makes a decision, you can ask for questions of clarification

[1:18:05] Voice 11: or direction to staff. All okay? Everything okay on my end. That sounds great. Anything from you,

[1:18:12] Voice 11: Mike? Thank

[1:18:13] Voice 5: you very much. I appreciate all the time spent. I'm very grateful. So thank you very

[1:18:17] Voice 5: much okay

[1:18:18] Trustee Fast (probable): hey thank you very much thank you then we're complete we're finished with this part so

[1:18:23] Trustee Fast (probable): feel free to leave or stick around if you'd like and we're just going to go get trustee rogers

[1:18:29] Voice 11: thank you i'm just hanging out in the field out there okay thank you

[1:18:44] Voice 4: yeah

[1:18:49] Voice 11: so the next uh for anybody who's following along um uh those uh applicants have both left

[1:18:56] Voice 11: the meeting so i'll try remind me to check on the uh waiting room if we're expecting anybody else

[1:19:03] Voice 11: and um we're just gonna we have director here hello i thought i recognized the faces but i'm

[1:19:12] Voice 11: sorry i was focusing on we had uh guests in our zoo meeting happening here too so i will um the

[1:19:19] Voice 11: joys of blended meetings yes so while uh dan is coming back to join us here he comes yeah

[1:19:35] Voice 11: just so you know the dvp was amended and then uh passed uh 9.3 and um we've got our uh

[1:19:45] Voice 11: regional district uh director and alternate have come to join us so um

[1:19:49] Voice 11: um maybe we could move on to do them next what do you think yeah yeah okay so

[1:19:55] Trustee Fast (probable): this is actually

[1:19:55] Trustee Fast (probable): the part of the agenda 4.3 where um we

[1:20:00] Voice 11: get an update from our electoral area director

[1:20:04] Voice 11: and uh so thank you

[1:20:06] Voice 11: thank you for joining

[1:20:08] Voice 11: us mark hills yes

[1:20:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're welcome yes let

[1:20:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): me let me let me

[1:20:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): give mark my seat then he'll

[1:20:15] Trustee Fast (probable): be able to talk

[1:20:16] Trustee Fast (probable): exactly that would be great thank you i was

[1:20:19] Trustee Fast (probable): sort of thinking

[1:20:20] Voice 11: that and we converged

[1:20:21] Voice 12: thanks dad no problem mark so excited with your new

[1:20:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): virtual setup yeah oh yeah okay and we get to carry it everywhere yes that's right

[1:20:35] Trustee Fast (probable): well thank you for joining us and uh please feel free this is being recorded

[1:20:39] Trustee Fast (probable): it as well as live

[1:20:41] Voice 11: streamed and um so just so you know you're on okay well

[1:20:45] Voice 1: thank you yeah sure

[1:20:47] Voice 1: um so you want me to just give a brief update then

[1:20:49] Voice 10: that would be great so

[1:20:51] Voice 1: yeah well thanks

[1:20:51] Voice 1: thanks very much it's nice to be in person to see all that i've been meeting fellows on zoom

[1:20:57] Voice 1: it seems like for the past so it's nice to see you and thanks for the invite um so what can i tell

[1:21:02] Voice 1: you about so we got fires a couple of fires a little bit sure water the board and

[1:21:08] Voice 1: kind of a

[1:21:08] Voice 1: little bit of the land use so um on the sunshine coast probably we had a fire started in rainy

[1:21:16] Voice 1: river on the 30s there's a small fire start i got the one on furcom so i think the one on furcom was

[1:21:22] Voice 1: a pretty good success story and response compared to the furcom dining mall over that 2010 2012 so

[1:21:30] Voice 1: i think the response improved so it's been a relatively light i think fire season we've had

[1:21:35] Voice 1: at six on the coast, mostly small brush fires,

[1:21:38] Voice 1: but I think we're better prepared this year than in the past

[1:21:42] Voice 1: and we need to be better prepared.

[1:21:45] Voice 1: And one of the things that happened

[1:21:47] Voice 1: was the Roberts Creek group was assigned

[1:21:50] Voice 1: to the Karameas fire.

[1:21:52] Voice 1: So they rolled out a deployment, they take their equipment.

[1:21:55] Voice 1: It's a revenue source.

[1:21:56] Voice 1: That's a pretty good revenue stream for supplying equipment.

[1:22:00] Voice 1: They also built up an experience on those deployments.

[1:22:02] Voice 1: So that was end of July, I don't know if they're back.

[1:22:05] Voice 1: There's at least a couple of them. They usually go for two week rotation, so I don't know the status of that.

[1:22:12] Voice 1: The other fires are up in Egmont and a couple in Upper Roberts Creek.

[1:22:18] Voice 1: And then for fires, I guess we'll go to the water side of things, right?

[1:22:21] Voice 1: You need water to put out the fires and things like this.

[1:22:24] Voice 1: And so as of today, the Chapman system has gone to stage four, which is our most severe drug conditions.

[1:22:29] Voice 1: conditions and Dan you know and you spawn you guys have been at stage four for a couple three weeks

[1:22:34] Voice 1: 10 days

[1:22:34] Voice 1: 10 days yeah so something that's kind of interesting is we go like stage one starts March

[1:22:41] Voice 1: of May first and then when the water stops going over the dam we go to stage two and so staff have

[1:22:48] Voice 1: two lakes in which to draw on and what they've noticed this year is that the the watershed is

[1:22:55] Voice 1: much drier so the environmental flows into Chapman are less so they're having to release more from

[1:23:00] Voice 1: the from the from the lakes so which is a so they're moving from stage three to four quite

[1:23:05] Voice 1: quickly with a matter of weeks which is even

[1:23:07] Voice 10: though it was so rainy and cold for so long this

[1:23:10] Voice 10: spring yes

[1:23:11] Voice 1: yeah good good snow pack snow uh and we quickly switched in but it's I guess the lower

[1:23:17] Voice 1: down so that recharge into the creek isn't happening as it was so it's just probably

[1:23:24] Voice 1: perpetually dry so so they're having to adjust much more quickly and the efm is called the

[1:23:30] Voice 1: environmental flow needs and so there's a requirement for to share the water between

[1:23:35] Voice 1: nature and the humans and there's not enough water going into the into the creek so the humans are

[1:23:40] Voice 1: having to kind of give up a little bit of our share to for the environmental flow uh in terms

[1:23:46] Voice 1: of the board we're um we're charging forth we haven't had any meetings we start up for

[1:23:51] Voice 1: next week we had a successful august break with no emergency meetings and staff have

[1:23:56] Voice 1: been able to take time off and and so that's been going well and um yeah i think everyone

[1:24:05] Voice 1: has been tired and everyone has needed to recharge i see your staff i hope your staff

[1:24:09] Voice 1: has had time to take off during the summer that's been great recharged ready to go

[1:24:16] Voice 13: in

[1:24:16] Voice 1: september um i guess i'll just touch into the election i guess you know it's kind of boring

[1:24:23] Voice 1: stuff so you know i'm not running for re-election at the regional district board there's two regional

[1:24:28] Voice 1: directors who are going to be standing that's leonard lee from pender harvard and donna mcmahon

[1:24:33] Voice 1: from elfinstone the other three andreas from roberts creek uh laurie pratt from nab and

[1:24:38] Voice 1: pay myself for not going for another term so that's the the five um and

[1:24:46] Voice 1: land use uh i'm following this as your ocp and uh you call it a lub land use by opposed to zoning

[1:24:54] Voice 1: so a little bit different language i guess but same sort of thing so the regional district is

[1:24:58] Voice 1: going through we have two zoning bylaws and one is being re um refreshed i think is the word i

[1:25:07] Voice 1: I like yours targeted approach, right?

[1:25:09] Voice 1: It's not a complete rewrite, it's very targeted.

[1:25:12] Voice 1: So it's staying within all the parameters

[1:25:13] Voice 1: of the official community plan.

[1:25:15] Voice 1: And the public hearing is set for September 6th.

[1:25:19] Voice 1: And so everything has to be compliant with the OCP.

[1:25:24] Voice 1: And so a couple of the interesting things

[1:25:26] Voice 1: are that secondary suites will be permitted

[1:25:30] Voice 1: in all residential zones.

[1:25:31] Voice 1: There's been some adjustments to accessory size buildings.

[1:25:34] Voice 1: things and and so in order to help with the diversity of the hubs and stuff so that's going

[1:25:40] Voice 1: to be uh the zoning bill and the hope is to have it all buttoned up and adopted before october 15th

[1:25:48] Voice 1: or actually um november 10th is the inaugural election of the turnover for this term to the

[1:25:54] Voice 1: next term election the 15th seer the inaugural meeting november 10th whoever is the successful

[1:25:59] Voice 1: candidate from area that will be sworn in on November the 10th um there unless there's

[1:26:07] Voice 1: questions that anybody has about regional district stuff I didn't mention dogs right

[1:26:14] Voice 10: no but I will I

[1:26:17] Trustee Fast (probable): will bring up that the um uh in the information item sort of page 300

[1:26:22] Trustee Fast (probable): and well um it's on the first page actually I put in the resources

[1:26:28] Voice 11: for candidates in the local

[1:26:30] Voice 11: election that's for islands trust but similar resources are available for anybody running for

[1:26:38] Voice 11: election for the regional district as well and like bowen island we have a we elect counselors

[1:26:50] Voice 11: some of us are also elected as islands trust trustees and some of us are then voted on by

[1:26:57] Voice 11: the council to be the regional district directors anyway it happens different ways in municipalities

[1:27:04] Voice 11: regional districts and in the islands trust but of course everywhere is within a regional district so

[1:27:11] Voice 11: we have several voices for citizens to um have your say and uh be represented if i

[1:27:21] Voice 11: can just say

[1:27:21] Voice 11: something about

[1:27:21] Voice 1: um people here will be voting in islands trust but it's it's uh the regional

[1:27:27] Voice 1: district runs all of the elections so they run regional district school board and islands trust

[1:27:31] Voice 1: it's a it's a kind of a collaborative cooperative model so islands trust doesn't have to do it on

[1:27:36] Voice 1: their own school board doesn't have to do it on so there's an economy of scale so it's something

[1:27:40] Voice 1: that the regional district has been doing it's been successful as far as i understand there'll

[1:27:44] Voice 1: be mail-in balance this year which is different yeah and electronic voting machines will be there

[1:27:49] Voice 1: for counting so right so

[1:27:51] Voice 11: a little different and uh

[1:27:53] Voice 11: but thank you for that so you're probably

[1:27:55] Voice 11: familiar with your ballots go ahead okay now i have some questions um so about the fire i didn't

[1:28:01] Voice 11: really bring up the the fire in furcom but um there the rumor and it's just a rumor at this

[1:28:08] Voice 11: point but that fire possibly was started by burning toilet paper so just a little aside

[1:28:18] Voice 11: i've been involved with a quite a large forest fire and caught in it where it was toilet paper

[1:28:23] Voice 11: So I'm just a little blown away that that is still something that so just a little thing.

[1:28:30] Voice 11: I, as part of the Area F Advisory Commission, I've been part of the bylaws 722 refresh and really appreciated the way the engagement's been working.

[1:28:45] Voice 11: Found a lot of use out of Zoom meeting. Got a lot of good information.

[1:28:51] Voice 11: and um i think it's called bang the drum is that

[1:28:56] Voice 1: oh bang the table excellent

[1:28:58] Voice 11: engagement format

[1:29:01] Voice 11: like a senior of that so that was bylaw 722 and one of the overall purposes of 722

[1:29:08] Voice 11: was to look at different housing options to provide some more flexibility for specifically

[1:29:16] Voice 11: specifically more long-term rather than um Airbnb style but long-term housing options one of several

[1:29:24] Voice 11: that I understand the regional district is looking at for options so that's been really interesting

[1:29:30] Voice 11: and then I just had a question what's happening with this possible um ship breakup um company

[1:29:40] Voice 11: is it coming it's was it annex brought up bought up city transfer in the

[1:29:46] Voice 11: formula yeah

[1:29:51] Voice 11: um

[1:29:51] Voice 1: what i what i can tell you is that

[1:29:54] Voice 1: ship breaking is not allowable in the zoning at present and apparently

[1:30:00] Voice 1: to the people about it um i haven't been down to the site and it's it hasn't been

[1:30:04] Voice 1: come to before the board so it's okay it's a discussion with scott as far as i understand

[1:30:09] Voice 1: but uh whether what it's going to look like i really don't know and um it would uh it's the

[1:30:16] Voice 1: ocp for hillside would suggest that receiving every zoning to allow that would be something

[1:30:21] Voice 1: thing worthwhile so staff have feel that they have enough uh direction direction from the ocp

[1:30:29] Voice 1: to accept a rezoning on that particular type of activity so we'll see where that goes on the

[1:30:34] Voice 1: future but a

[1:30:35] Voice 10: rezoning application to

[1:30:37] Voice 1: take in a rezoning application to include ship breaking

[1:30:41] Voice 1: auto wrecking is allowed ship building is allowed but not the breaking up of ships and some people

[1:30:48] Voice 1: think that ships are kind of like cars but they're not quite like cars so um there was some confusion

[1:30:54] Voice 1: i think perhaps on the owner about what was the premise of it uh there was the talk on the bain

[1:30:59] Voice 1: sound one where it's been kind of going on without oversight and so uh that's the interest in this

[1:31:07] Voice 1: that's right but that's kind of the update we'll probably

[1:31:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): be hearing more

[1:31:12] Voice 1: looks coming thank

[1:31:13] Voice 10: you okay dan did you have any questions no i

[1:31:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): just want to say what i said uh

[1:31:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): i forget when i said it but how i found in particular over the last 18 months two years

[1:31:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): the communication from the fcfd has improved a lot i'm getting a lot more stuff coming in

[1:31:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): that i can pass on to my people on keats you know the notification regarding the stage four water

[1:31:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): came it was out the next you know within an hour that it's been really heartening to see that and

[1:31:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): as well the meetings we've had i don't think i don't know if you've attended one maybe you have

[1:31:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): but uh the meetings we've had with the directors have been excellent in the last couple of years

[1:31:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): we

[1:31:56] Voice 10: had a joint meeting recently that i ended up chairing yes

[1:31:59] Voice 10: Yes, that's fair.

[1:32:02] Voice 10: That's happened

[1:32:03] Voice 1: to me, too, on other areas.

[1:32:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anyway,

[1:32:06] Voice 1: it's been great.

[1:32:06] Voice 1: Great working with you, Mark.

[1:32:08] Voice 1: Yeah, it's been fabulous, too.

[1:32:09] Voice 1: And yeah, I would say the communications has improved.

[1:32:13] Voice 1: I totally agree with that.

[1:32:14] Voice 1: Yeah, it's been really good.

[1:32:16] Voice 10: Very good.

[1:32:16] Voice 10: Well, thank you.

[1:32:17] Voice 10: You're welcome, Mark.

[1:32:18] Voice 1: Good for

[1:32:18] Voice 11: working with me.

[1:32:19] Voice 11: Good to

[1:32:20] Voice 11: work with you.

[1:32:20] Voice 10: And I just want to

[1:32:21] Voice 11: say on behalf of the community, thank you for the work you've done.

[1:32:24] Voice 11: this term was very challenging for for the regional district um things that nobody expected

[1:32:31] Voice 4: landed

[1:32:32] Voice 11: on your your lap i think you were warned that that would happen but not at that level

[1:32:37] Voice 11: so i really appreciate how much you've done and also alternate very um just helping us make that

[1:32:44] Voice 11: jump between the island and mainland it's it's so important to have that communication and support

[1:32:52] Voice 11: it so thank you very much you're welcome

[1:32:54] Voice 11: thank you thank you for the words okay

[1:33:07] Voice 11: excuse me i know these

[1:33:09] Trustee Fast (probable): little around because they make you sit back

[1:33:11] Voice 11: yes but the hardest

[1:33:12] Voice 11: chambers well they just kind of make you sit back a little bit and i'm going i need to be

[1:33:17] Voice 11: up here see these screens okay um well

[1:33:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm just going to suggest i i noticed that most of our work

[1:33:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): is before the scheduled break but yeah even if you i mean the a number of people would have been

[1:33:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): traveling since this morning anyway so you know even though we won't even add it for an hour and

[1:33:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): a half it might be worth it i might suggest we take our break now come back and start in on the

[1:33:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): projects is that that's what you were going to suggest i

[1:33:45] Voice 10: would like that yes okay that's fine

[1:33:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): with me so

[1:33:47] Voice 10: if that's okay with staff i don't

[1:33:49] Trustee Fast (probable): think we've got any more um staff there's certainly

[1:33:53] Trustee Fast (probable): nobody in the waiting room that i

[1:33:55] Voice 11: can see wait a minute i

[1:33:57] Voice 10: can't even remember where the waiting

[1:33:58] Voice 11: room is yeah oh

[1:34:01] Voice 10: we're okay and um so let's take a break if everybody's up for that uh

[1:34:06] Voice 11: we've got

[1:34:07] Voice 11: a half hour break i think scheduled and i'll put on coffee and i named bakula yes so stick around

[1:34:14] Voice 11: so

[1:34:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): you get bribed

[1:34:16] Voice 11: when you come together

[1:34:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): these

[1:34:18] Voice 11: are like the best meetings so we're

[1:34:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're adjourning until 10 after one is that um

[1:34:23] Voice 11: i'm just looking to see when is that

[1:34:26] Voice 11: break i can't see it

[1:34:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh it's after it's after 11.1 it's supposed to be at one oh right right

[1:34:33] Trustee Fast (probable): but this one it is half an hour good i just wanted to check the time yeah so we're gonna

[1:34:37] Trustee Fast (probable): we're gonna take a break now we're going to adjourn until

[1:34:40] Voice 10: 10 after one thank you very much

[1:34:42] Voice 10: i'm going to pause the recording okay you'd actually

[1:34:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you just mute turn your camera off

[1:34:48] Voice 3: you don't have well whatever you do okay we're

[1:35:09] Voice 11: just hearing this sound over here we're making

[1:35:10] Voice 11: sure that it's not water running down the inside of the water like it sounds like

[1:35:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): doesn't it though

[1:35:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay

[1:35:19] Voice 11: meeting is now streaming live and being recorded we're just going to wait for a moment

[1:35:26] Voice 11: that the building integrity is okay i'm going to take my mask off again since uh the carbon dioxide

[1:35:38] Voice 11: outside parts per million is about the same as outside in this wonderful hall so you can hear

[1:35:43] Voice 11: me better but masks are welcome and anybody's welcome to wear one okay okay are you set yeah

[1:35:53] Voice 11: and i'll get a note i'm pretty like at 90 sure this is right okay thank you

[1:36:01] Voice 12: we're all

[1:36:02] Voice 11: listening to this funny sound okay so we're going to um uh

[1:36:08] Voice 11: keep going here and now we're on going to start on page 171 um of the projects list and so these

[1:36:18] Voice 11: are projects of the local trust committee and uh and it makes sense that we um talk about them at

[1:36:25] Voice 11: this point in the term i'm sort of leaving a trail of crumbs for the next local trust committee

[1:36:32] Voice 11: whoever is elected and sitting as the three people at this table.

[1:36:37] Voice 11: And so I'm going to turn it over to Heather Cower, our regional planning manager, who's prepared a report for us here with some recommendations.

[1:36:44] Voice 11: Go ahead, Heather. Thank you, Chair. So as you said, yeah, this is us moving the progress along.

[1:36:52] Voice 11: And what our recommendation is to the next LTC.

[1:36:56] Voice 11: I've gone through each of your top priorities list, which is sort of your active projects list, or hopefully your active projects list.

[1:37:03] Voice 11: And then the other list, the projects list, which is functionally your future projects that you might like to work on.

[1:37:12] Voice 8: I've been going to all the LTCs to recommend first that we start categorizing some of the...

[1:37:18] Voice 11: or categorizing when projects are put on the projects list in part because most of the projects

[1:37:26] Voice 11: that you have listed end up being OCP or LGBT amendments and they're for a lot of the LTCs

[1:37:32] Voice 11: those are listed individually but if you group them you can see that you know there may be an

[1:37:38] Voice 11: opportunity to address several of them at once in one project as opposed to trying to deal with

[1:37:44] Voice 11: them individually so the the top parties list and projects list reflect recommendations kind of

[1:37:52] Voice 11: around that recategorizing products um it might also include some recommendations around removing

[1:37:58] Voice 11: some of them if they're not clearly defined or um you know not not an ltc project essentially

[1:38:06] Voice 11: um and so that's what the the attachments the top parties list and progress lists are my

[1:38:11] Voice 11: recommendation around that what i've also um what that what the top priorities list also reflects

[1:38:18] Voice 11: is that you have three uh what were what were three identified projects that are actually

[1:38:26] Voice 11: potentially ocp amendments so

[1:38:28] Voice 8: my recommendation is that those actually get added to the current

[1:38:32] Voice 8: project that you're working on so that those get wrapped up in that project i think they're

[1:38:37] Voice 8: they wouldn't significantly expand the scope of the project but that's my recommendation on that

[1:38:46] Voice 11: so um thirdly um and i'm going to modify this recommendation that's in the list right now

[1:38:54] Voice 11: um uh you have a business case that went to um trust council last year to help fund your ocp

[1:39:02] Voice 11: project. And it's our understanding that, that they want to have a business case for every year

[1:39:09] Voice 11: that you're requesting money in any

[1:39:11] Voice 8: particular fiscal. So we would be taking a business case

[1:39:15] Voice 8: back to Trust Council again to fund next year's, next year's project.

[1:39:23] Voice 11: The original business case

[1:39:24] Voice 11: that went to Trust Council assumed, I think it was $13,000 for next fiscal year.

[1:39:33] Voice 11: um and so um my recommendation at this point is to either confirm that that's the amount of money

[1:39:40] Voice 11: that you'd like to request for next year or increase that or decrease it depending on what

[1:39:46] Voice 8: you think you

[1:39:46] Voice 11: need um and to actually uh kind of endorse in principle the business case right now

[1:39:53] Voice 8: because um you'll want to get that

[1:39:55] Voice 11: to the financial planning committee at their next

[1:39:59] Voice 11: available meeting um before we are meeting again so um so that's my recommendations for today

[1:40:09] Voice 11: thank you and i

[1:40:11] Voice 3: have a question too um is the i

[1:40:20] Voice 11: don't see the word oh yeah sorry uh antenna

[1:40:22] Voice 11: there's something in there uh oh i think it's on now i didn't write that down but there was

[1:40:29] Voice 11: something about the antenna sighting strategy and uh i just didn't see it reflected in the

[1:40:36] Voice 11: recommendations i was wondering if you were making a recommendation or if you wanted to chat about

[1:40:39] Voice 11: that i um we actually don't need to work out here because um the ltc has already adopted oh okay

[1:40:47] Voice 11: thank you yeah

[1:40:48] Voice 11: i think you were thinking of quarantine which yeah we'll be considering that

[1:40:51] Voice 11: next week okay

[1:40:52] Voice 8: it is mentioned

[1:40:53] Voice 11: somewhere it might be

[1:40:55] Voice 8: i've

[1:40:56] Voice 11: been using it as a template staff report

[1:40:58] Voice 11: so let me yeah yeah

[1:40:59] Voice 11: okay that was my question because i see it there it's on page 171.

[1:41:08] Voice 11: okay thank you uh questions for the planner justin's um well i really like the idea of

[1:41:15] Voice 11: adding some of these top projects or priorities into the ocp i am concerned that uh i noticed

[1:41:23] Voice 11: here we've got the gambia ocp comprehensive review and that is what it's training to do

[1:41:29] Voice 11: as we add this stuff in, but it makes sense.

[1:41:32] Voice 11: And that some of them actually are quite straightforward, I think.

[1:41:36] Voice 11: Or, for instance, I noticed on our projects list, we've got

[1:41:40] Voice 11: how to

[1:41:44] Voice 11: define water storage tanks.

[1:41:46] Voice 11: There are noticing more and more of them are showing up.

[1:41:49] Voice 11: Are they a structure that may go within the setback?

[1:41:52] Voice 11: That's something that's come up, but it isn't really an OCP.

[1:41:55] Voice 11: It's more of an R&B specific, so those kind of things.

[1:42:00] Voice 11: would like to see if there's a more precise place to put them

[1:42:08] Voice 11: and one of the other recommendations I would like to see as a as a focus is adding heritage

[1:42:18] Voice 11: conservation areas as a top priority and I know that feeds into more trust project but

[1:42:27] Voice 11: But I think it's coming up more and more in the

[1:42:31] Voice 12: work we're doing.

[1:42:35] Voice 3: What are your thoughts?

[1:42:40] Voice 3: On

[1:42:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): that point, just to show that, yes, it is coming up,

[1:42:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): and it is an Islands Trust-wide project.

[1:42:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): I guess there is no particular reason that an LTC can't take on, too.

[1:42:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I wonder how you would make it a project when there's a broader project

[1:42:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is going to cover the whole trust area.

[1:43:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): area has yet to be has yet to be completed and the mapping's not finished yet I wonder if that

[1:43:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): might become a project once that mapping is done and then you could as an LTC decide individually

[1:43:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): although I'd rather see it be done in a trust-wide basis like that like the actual work is being done

[1:43:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that there aren't it's not patchwork around I mean I mean because it is patchwork right now I

[1:43:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, look what's going on on Liskiti, for example.

[1:43:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's something going on on Liskiti

[1:43:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): that I don't know very much about,

[1:43:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): but I know that Trustee Johnston

[1:43:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): is very involved with Liskiti

[1:43:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): with an archeological study that's going on there.

[1:43:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): So they're going to do something that nobody else is doing.

[1:43:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): And it would be great if we just did it all together.

[1:43:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I don't have a problem with putting it on.

[1:43:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): However, I probably would wait

[1:43:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): until we've got that heritage mapping done which as I understand is still on the books but it's

[1:44:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): been delayed um and uh that when that when that is done then you an LTC could pick it up because

[1:44:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm guessing there's going to be a recommendation to all LTCs to pick it up and to then develop

[1:44:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): development permit areas or whatever the recommended approach is related to the heritage

[1:44:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): mapping. But until you have that mapping, how will you know?

[1:44:27] Voice 11: I guess part of my rationale is when we were looking at the letter, the response

[1:44:31] Voice 11: to the Spanish nation. Which letter?

[1:44:36] Voice 11: The letter against the kids' project.

[1:44:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): We'll

[1:44:40] Voice 11: talk about it at that point. But it's just a way of making

[1:44:43] Voice 11: sure that their priorities

[1:44:47] Voice 11: are clearly defined

[1:44:52] Voice 11: find in our next term that it doesn't that we can demonstrate it's not and that's one

[1:44:59] Voice 11: of the ways of doing it is saying okay it's here here's some of the things that we need

[1:45:04] Voice 11: to do prior to being able to move on it but we're not going to let this go

[1:45:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): right i'm i

[1:45:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): think that's fair it did come up in our conversation with marla's and myself i'm sorry my brain

[1:45:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): is not working i think you were there weren't you were you on that call maybe you weren't

[1:45:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe it was just more or less on it with the squamish nation represented the archaeological

[1:45:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): branch etc the lands and title group that we had two months ago i think with

[1:45:31] Voice 12: me no

[1:45:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): no i don't

[1:45:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): were you there i care anyways but yes that came up so i don't care it can be on a project list

[1:45:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): once the overlay mapping is done

[1:45:42] Voice 11: yeah so those are the things that i right

[1:45:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the other thing

[1:45:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): that i would say just a

[1:45:49] Voice 11: second i'm seeing a little confused down there and uh are we suggesting uh

[1:45:55] Voice 11: when we get to the point we'll make motions yeah yeah okay all right okay go ahead and sorry

[1:46:02] Voice 11: okay

[1:46:03] Voice 12: i didn't know trustee

[1:46:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): stamford was finished

[1:46:06] Voice 11: i know um

[1:46:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm just looking at the recommendations

[1:46:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): here the other one that sort of other than they want to take out our the one we put in two years

[1:46:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): ago which i guess we don't have to have there anymore um oh

[1:46:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): the support of the advocacy

[1:46:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): policies of the canberra islands and associated islands which we put in you and i put in eight

[1:46:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): years ago simply to focus on because there was a lot going on in house out in those days um

[1:46:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we took it on ourselves but we wanted to recognize the to the community at large that

[1:46:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): we were going to be advocates for the area i don't know that it probably probably not a project it

[1:46:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): was more of a placeholder it clearly said that the trustees would do it not to stop that was

[1:46:54] Voice 10: the point of it yeah

[1:46:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): um but the other one that i know is here that sort of just flagged for me the

[1:47:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): rest of it i'm fine with um is the last one uh which is the identification of crown strip

[1:47:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): reserves and similar crown properties in the Gambier Island local trust care and I remember

[1:47:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): why that was would develop was because we had an application it was on Gambier somewhere over near

[1:47:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): West Bay and I don't remember the name of it etc where there was a scrap crown strip reserve

[1:47:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I started to talk about a crown strip reserve on keys and nobody knows what they are and nobody

[1:47:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): nobody knows what their legal status are is,

[1:47:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): and nobody knows how they interact

[1:47:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): with our land use bylaw.

[1:47:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): And it appears that nobody even knows

[1:47:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): if they're enforced by the province

[1:47:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): because I don't think the province knows.

[1:47:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's why we put it on our project

[1:47:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): was to try and figure out what these things are.

[1:47:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): If you look at some mapping from Keats

[1:47:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): on the North Shore of Keats,

[1:47:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): between the Barnabas Camp and Cotton Point,

[1:47:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): there is a strip of about 20 feet block wide

[1:48:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): all along the shoreline.

[1:48:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): that is doesn't appear on mapping that comes along later and when i've tried to find out what that is

[1:48:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): nobody's able to tell me what it is and whether it actually exists so that's why that ended up there

[1:48:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i'm guessing we're not alone in this yeah if

[1:48:20] Voice 11: i can speak to this one we have those on boland

[1:48:22] Voice 11: right as well particularly on that side of the island um and uh one of them came from

[1:48:29] Voice 11: We did a Crownland study on Bolemen years ago and tracked these down.

[1:48:38] Voice 11: And they were put in by a developer in order to be, as I understand it, and I couldn't, this is just how it came down to me,

[1:48:50] Voice 11: was that so he could sell the properties with the expectations of the property owners that they wouldn't have to pay water property taxes,

[1:48:57] Voice 11: taxes because they weren't actually waterfront anyway who knows if that's true the point is that

[1:49:03] Voice 11: and let alone whether it's true today but the point is uh that those there are crown strips

[1:49:10] Voice 11: that exist around uh islands at least in hausam and um that means that they're public

[1:49:18] Voice 11: land if they're still crown which the ones on bowman um we established that they were

[1:49:25] Voice 11: work and uh so i can send you info or anybody info about that but it's uh it's important to know

[1:49:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): anyway my point simply was i'd like to see that stay there i mean because i that's where it came

[1:49:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): from and it actually came up from from some application on gambier which i don't remember

[1:49:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): which one it was uh where we found one of these and we weren't able really to identify how that

[1:49:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): played out what we were trying to do i think we granted the application but i don't remember

[1:49:54] Voice 11: there's some around at this

[1:49:56] Voice 11: point there's whole sections that have them off the waterfront

[1:49:59] Voice 11: there's all sorts of stories about how they got there what they originally for um so yeah

[1:50:06] Voice 11: i'd

[1:50:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): like to see it still there unless you want and if you need it redefined we can work on that

[1:50:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): other than that i'm totally fine with what trustee stanford says about adding

[1:50:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): heritage uh preservation as a as a project to be activated when the mapping's available and i'm

[1:50:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): fine with removal of the of the or redefining of the matters that the regional planning manager

[1:50:33] Voice 11: suggested so one of the ones that i highlighted through the chair is this gambier site pacific

[1:50:41] Voice 11: water zone staff to research the history of site-specific water zones on gambier

[1:50:45] Voice 11: i can't remember what that was and that was back in 2013 so that was a long time ago

[1:50:56] Voice 12: Yeah. So I don't know what to suggest to that because it was a good reason for it.

[1:51:03] Voice 12: I

[1:51:03] Voice 11: just can't remember what it is. Well, maybe it'll be in the minutes or something.

[1:51:06] Voice 11: If you know. Yeah. Maybe you were taking the minutes.

[1:51:12] Voice 11: No, I was trustee at that point. OK.

[1:51:16] Voice 11: So maybe I can make a suggestion that, you know,

[1:51:20] Voice 8: So your current OCP project has been redefined as an OCP plus LUB project.

[1:51:27] Voice 11: Yes.

[1:51:28] Voice 11: So for some of these, if you want something to consider, you could add it to the scope of it.

[1:51:35] Voice 11: And so this might be an option for that because I imagine we get to the LUB stage and we're looking at something new.

[1:51:41] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:51:42] Voice 11: And the first one that you

[1:51:43] Voice 8: mentioned as well, so the water storage tanks.

[1:51:46] Voice 8: I mean, that could be added to the scope of this current project as well.

[1:51:50] Voice 8: Yeah,

[1:51:51] Voice 11: I thought that made sense as part of the OAB. It's quite a specific discussion point, and that's an interest, so that one was quite straightforward. It's that water's only one that there was a good reason for it, or what it was, so it might be worth, as it is, can be used as part of

[1:52:11] Voice 3: a cultural discussion.

[1:52:18] Voice 3: So I'm,

[1:52:19] Voice 11: well, I'm going to in a moment, I wanted to do because of the high level of

[1:52:29] Voice 11: involvement of members of this local trust committee with the biosphere and the ocean

[1:52:36] Voice 11: launch task force, or whatever it's called now, is that something that we want to reflect

[1:52:43] Voice 11: in here or as a message to, you know, could conceivably be three completely different

[1:52:50] Voice 11: people next term.

[1:52:52] Voice 11: So as a note more to trustees then, but also just for the record, reflect it to staff,

[1:53:00] Voice 11: because we just recorded these things verbally as trustees, and yet we've been so involved.

[1:53:06] Voice 11: I don't know whether we want to say anything.

[1:53:08] Voice 11: I'm sort of putting it out there to the local trustees.

[1:53:11] Voice 11: Go ahead.

[1:53:12] Voice 11: Well, I think, you know, I was wondering if there's an opportunity for us to write a letter that could be given at the committee level to the next local trust committee.

[1:53:23] Voice 11: And that might be more appropriate.

[1:53:25] Voice 11: I don't really see it as a specific project.

[1:53:27] Voice 11: It's not so much of a planning kind of project, is it?

[1:53:29] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:53:31] Voice 11: It's more of a way of planning.

[1:53:34] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:53:35] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:53:35] Voice 11: That sounds good.

[1:53:37] Voice 11: All right.

[1:53:38] Voice 11: So then, seeing no planner jumping up and down to say something, maybe we would like to make some motions.

[1:53:49] Voice 11: I see the

[1:53:50] Voice 11: recommendations. I'm looking at page 171. The recommendations are there.

[1:53:54] Voice 11: Heather, you said you were going to change one of them.

[1:53:57] Voice 8: Number three, about the business case.

[1:53:59] Voice 8: But you might want to start with the amendments to the projects list first.

[1:54:05] Voice 8: Then we can get to the business case after

[1:54:07] Voice 11: those are done.

[1:54:08] Voice 11: right i can do that

[1:54:11] Voice 11: okay um

[1:54:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): so my first motion would be to amend the projects list

[1:54:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): to include identification of crown reserves and properties in the

[1:54:24] Voice 12: gambier local trust

[1:54:26] Voice 12: including strips and islands i didn't read the whole thing well

[1:54:35] Voice 11: okay it's just if it's

[1:54:38] Voice 11: just the language that you said identification

[1:54:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): of all crown reserves strips and similar crown

[1:54:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): properties islets and the gambier island will be trusted

[1:54:48] Voice 11: okay i just am seeing diane writing

[1:54:52] Voice 11: over there to make sure that it's captioned so

[1:54:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's it's the wording that's on page 173.

[1:54:58] Voice 11: so you

[1:54:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to have

[1:54:59] Voice 11: any one three so

[1:55:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): you

[1:55:02] Voice 11: want to use that same wording

[1:55:04] Voice 11: then yeah okay thank you then um i'm just making sure that diane got that but it's the same

[1:55:11] Voice 11: wording that's on page 173 okay thank you uh very good so do i have a secondary thank you

[1:55:17] Voice 11: the motion is moved and seconded any more discussion no okay then all those in favor

[1:55:22] Voice 11: very good thank you that motion passes did you want to make the next one kate louise

[1:55:27] Voice 11: looking at page one seven oh no that was just amending the projects list what else do we want

[1:55:31] Voice 11: i'll

[1:55:35] Voice 12: move that

[1:55:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): we amend the the gambier little trust area projects list to include

[1:55:49] Voice 12: heritage cultural protection once the heritage overlay mapping is complete

[1:56:00] Voice 12: leave as a project got

[1:56:05] Voice 11: that okay thank you and uh and okay louisa seconded that motion thank you we

[1:56:11] Voice 11: discussed that earlier any more discussion about that oh uh then i'll just call the question all

[1:56:17] Voice 11: those in favor three hands went up so that motion uh passes thank you i'm just going to check my

[1:56:22] Voice 11: little dots here one second something looks like it might have changed oh good okay so uh thank you

[1:56:30] Voice 11: Please go ahead, regional planning manager, Heather.

[1:56:33] Voice 11: Sure, if I could recommend, I mean,

[1:56:36] Voice 11: part of the reason that we're recommending categories

[1:56:38] Voice 11: for things is to sort of prompt a decision

[1:56:43] Voice 11: about what kind of project it is.

[1:56:44] Voice 11: When you

[1:56:45] Voice 11: put it on the list.

[1:56:46] Voice 11: A heritage conservation area would be something

[1:56:50] Voice 11: that would be included probably in an OCP,

[1:56:53] Voice 11: but may have elements that are OCP and LUV.

[1:56:56] Voice 11: And so my recommendation is if you add it

[1:56:59] Voice 11: to the project's list that you also put it into the category of OCP and OEB?

[1:57:04] Voice 11: You

[1:57:04] Voice 12: don't just do that.

[1:57:06] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:57:09] Voice 12: Rather than have a...

[1:57:10] Voice 11: I could.

[1:57:11] Voice 11: I could.

[1:57:14] Voice 11: So I'll just, I'll recommend that.

[1:57:15] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:57:16] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:57:17] Voice 11: And as part of that is because it, depending on the timeline for the gap year, OCP, OEB,

[1:57:26] Voice 11: it might end up flowing into that but it is definitely a big part of what is happening

[1:57:33] Voice 11: with each project so i don't want to push it into one or the other i love it part of how it fits into

[1:57:40] Voice 11: all these projects and even one of the the line items for projects also fits there i don't know

[1:57:49] Voice 11: how it fits into the new style of our organizing plans would it be helpful do you want a motion from

[1:57:57] Voice 11: from the LTC to categorize the two that we've already made?

[1:58:05] Voice 11: Yes, yeah, I think that'd be helpful.

[1:58:08] Voice 11: It's part of this whole continuous making sure

[1:58:12] Voice 11: that the message gets passed along, right?

[1:58:14] Voice 11: And so I move that the Heritage Conservation Project

[1:58:26] Voice 11: be categorized as OCP slash LUB, and that the Crown land

[1:58:42] Voice 11: identification project be classified as an OCP slash LUB project. Okay, do I

[1:58:54] Voice 11: have a seconder? Thank you Kate Louise. Any discussion about that? All those in

[1:58:59] Voice 11: favor thank you continuity is the word i was looking for okay uh what's next well so on that

[1:59:06] Voice 11: vein i would agree the recommendation for the question is to keep or remove

[1:59:11] Voice 11: gambler's specific water zones um i won't put that back

[1:59:20] Voice 11: so i moved the gangren chess committee uh include gambler's specific water zones

[1:59:27] Voice 11: um history um on yamir to ocp lub projects

[1:59:38] Voice 12: with projects for the upcoming show so

[1:59:45] Voice 11: did you want

[1:59:45] Voice 11: to add that to the current project top priority project or did you want to edit as a separate

[1:59:51] Voice 11: product well i think if it fits yeah i

[1:59:54] Voice 11: can keep adding

[1:59:54] Voice 1: stuff into this um

[1:59:56] Voice 11: so i would recommend

[2:00:00] Voice 11: that it be added to the scope of the current top priority uh

[2:00:03] Voice 12: -huh okay so

[2:00:08] Voice 11: um i heard kate and louise

[2:00:11] Voice 11: say okay so is that your motion well i think it did say ocpl uvm assuming we're running with that

[2:00:18] Voice 11: project well you there's kind of two things one is um your current project but you could

[2:00:24] Voice 11: theoretically

[2:00:24] Voice 8: have other projects

[2:00:26] Voice 11: that you've identified

[2:00:26] Voice 8: and categorized but are a separate

[2:00:29] Voice 8: projects well

[2:00:30] Voice 11: it fits into what we're doing yes so i would if i could make it from the americans

[2:00:37] Voice 12: can

[2:00:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just

[2:00:38] Voice 12: suggest

[2:00:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): that that motion number two on the motion yeah we're going to get

[2:00:44] Voice 12: you

[2:00:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): to add it to

[2:00:44] Voice 12: that yeah we'll

[2:00:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): put it on it as d there so you should withdraw your motion

[2:00:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay i'll

[2:00:52] Voice 11: just add it to you okay yeah sorry

[2:00:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): what did you say

[2:00:54] Voice 11: looking at there on page 171

[2:00:58] Voice 11: Number two recommendation, I was gonna read that one out.

[2:01:01] Voice 11: Oh, okay, I'm looking at the same page, okay, good.

[2:01:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): So just add that-

[2:01:05] Voice 11: Is there any others that we can add to number two?

[2:01:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know, but there's three of them there already.

[2:01:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): That'll

[2:01:12] Voice 12: be a fourth.

[2:01:14] Voice 11: I haven't outlined

[2:01:15] Voice 12: any others.

[2:01:17] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:01:18] Voice 12: There was the storage name.

[2:01:26] Voice 12: No, definitely not the water tanks.

[2:01:30] Voice 12: Yeah, whether they're

[2:01:31] Voice 11: structured, how big,

[2:01:45] Voice 12: Okay,

[2:01:51] Voice 11: so I will start. Number two. Okay, we

[2:01:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): haven't done number one yet.

[2:01:55] Voice 11: Yeah, you haven't

[2:01:56] Voice 11: done number one. We just we're in the middle of it. Yeah,

[2:02:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): we've amended the body. So I'm

[2:02:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to move it again. We're on local trust. Can we endorse the top priorities list and

[2:02:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): the projects list as amended on September the 1st 2022 for further consideration by

[2:02:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): the income of the trust second

[2:02:16] Voice 11: yeah thank you and um that makes sense that's also what you're

[2:02:22] Voice 11: we're all on the same page okay thank you and then um i'm gonna call the question then all those in

[2:02:27] Voice 11: favor thank you this is one of my pages that i usually print but it's on the printer at home

[2:02:35] Voice 11: so apologies for asking okay that's good so number one is done we've amended we've endorsed

[2:02:41] Voice 11: our top priorities list and projects list as amended.

[2:02:46] Voice 11: I'm just trying to get that word, yeah?

[2:02:50] Voice 11: And we're about to move to recommendation number two.

[2:02:55] Voice 12: Ready?

[2:02:57] Voice 11: Okay, Caitlin, take it away.

[2:02:59] Voice 11: I move that the Gambier On-Local Trust Committee

[2:03:03] Voice 11: request staff to amend the scope

[2:03:05] Voice 11: of the Gambier Official Community Plan

[2:03:08] Voice 11: targeted with no project chartered to include

[2:03:11] Voice 11: A, we consider the zoning designation of wilderness conservation at the definition of breakwater, consider policies and regulations regarding trams, D, review site-specific water zones on Gambia, and

[2:03:35] Voice 12: E, define water tanks as structures within the LUV as that's specific.

[2:03:46] Voice 12: very good

[2:03:53] Voice 11: thank you do i have a seconder very good thank you dan and uh any more discussion

[2:03:58] Voice 11: about that i have one question um trams is one of these new words that's coming in should we say

[2:04:08] Voice 11: trams tramways trackways what's the is there any specific word wording because trams usually

[2:04:14] Voice 11: refers to those big machines in european cities what are you know i've also there's another word

[2:04:22] Voice 11: to for those funiculars yeah and um just because we're passing a message on to unknown people in

[2:04:29] Voice 11: the future perhaps we want to say you want to well it's because the trams are the trams and

[2:04:38] Voice 11: suddenly we'll say tracks we can

[2:04:40] Voice 11: put in parentheses tracks funiculars what other aspects

[2:04:46] Voice 11: to the hub. Sometimes there's a set of tracks with a huge winch on the top. That

[2:04:54] Voice 12: all fits with them.

[2:04:55] Voice 11: Yeah, winches. Is there another term? I actually like funicular. Yeah, it's very specific.

[2:05:03] Voice 11: Yeah, yeah. Okay, hoists. Yeah, funicular

[2:05:10] Voice 12: covers it all.

[2:05:11] Voice 11: Yeah, you think it covers it all?

[2:05:12] Voice 11: particularly I think I wouldn't I think a vernacular is a kind of little enclosed capsule

[2:05:18] Voice 11: but a hoist or a giant winch can have a huge big set of tracks and a structure so if I could just

[2:05:25] Voice 11: put in parentheses vernacular tracks

[2:05:30] Voice 12: that's right okay

[2:05:35] Voice 11: so we've got a motion

[2:05:38] Voice 11: amend I think is that a friendly amendment sure okay and uh that's great so we've got a motion

[2:05:45] Voice 11: Now, again, okay, with a friendly amendment, it's amended.

[2:05:50] Voice 11: Thank you for your suggestions, people out there,

[2:05:54] Voice 11: and I'm gonna call the question.

[2:05:55] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[2:05:56] Voice 11: Very good, thank you very much.

[2:05:58] Voice 11: Okay, Louise, that motion passes to add that.

[2:06:01] Voice 11: And then number three is the one about the business case.

[2:06:05] Voice 11: And Heather, you had described something earlier,

[2:06:08] Voice 11: but I forgot.

[2:06:08] Voice 11: Yeah, I think it would be helpful, essentially, that the Gambier, maybe to amend the promotion list like this, but the Gambier-Allen Local Trust Committee requests staff to amend the business case for the Gambier Official Community Fund Targeted Review Project by, and this is if you want to amend the budget,

[2:06:31] Voice 11: budget. By amending the requested budget for fiscal year 2023

[2:06:36] Voice 8: -24 to be taxed. Now,

[2:06:43] Voice 11: Marlin's

[2:06:44] Voice 11: mind, I've sort of given Marlin's head up about maybe having a recommended dollar figure for that.

[2:06:54] Voice 11: And what

[2:06:55] Voice 8: if you're on the spot?

[2:06:58] Voice 8: I mean, it's, I don't have a dollar figure that I can give you

[2:07:03] Voice 8: off the top of my head as well that i've been able to come up with an estimated i guess it

[2:07:10] Voice 8: depends on if we are amending the business case in any way so or if you're going to endorse the

[2:07:16] Voice 8: business case as is then we can look at i mean it's mostly just the legislative process that

[2:07:23] Voice 8: would be in the next phase that's if you know you're happy but we've

[2:07:29] Voice 11: added all these elements

[2:07:31] Voice 11: yeah so we did a vendor so we're adding these things and some of these seem to be fairly

[2:07:37] Voice 11: narrow in their focus but others potentially so i really don't know what to suggest for a dollar

[2:07:45] Voice 11: is this a ten

[2:07:47] Voice 11: thousand dollar number well

[2:07:49] Voice 8: part of part of the issue is we've already developed

[2:07:51] Voice 8: this first phase

[2:07:52] Voice 8: of the project and we define the scope as is and we hire the consultants to do

[2:07:56] Voice 8: things within the project charter as it stands now so if we're adding things into the project

[2:08:02] Voice 8: then i don't know how that can fit in the budget if it's things that actually need to be done

[2:08:10] Voice 11: right well

[2:08:11] Voice 11: they wouldn't be

[2:08:12] Voice 8: um i think i think the assumption is um do we think we

[2:08:18] Voice 8: need more consultant help for instance do we need do we think we might expand

[2:08:25] Voice 8: than what

[2:08:26] Voice 11: we've anticipated for this year.

[2:08:31] Voice 11: 13,000 is what we have in the business case right now.

[2:08:34] Voice 11: That would cover some consultant costs

[2:08:36] Voice 11: and some public engagement, it might be adequate.

[2:08:39] Voice 8: So again, it depends on if you feel like the trajectory

[2:08:44] Voice 8: of where it's going right

[2:08:46] Voice 11: now is gonna fit into that.

[2:08:49] Voice 11: The work around deciding on policy.

[2:08:52] Voice 11: policy um so adding topics to it doesn't necessarily add cost that's right because

[2:08:58] Voice 11: you've got staff doing that that research and analysis and um and staff salary doesn't

[2:09:05] Voice 11: get included into the project figures um

[2:09:08] Voice 8: it would only be if you have it really would be

[2:09:11] Voice 8: if you have additional engagement that you're thinking of adding i

[2:09:17] Voice 12: feel like we're kind of

[2:09:21] Voice 12: just going to add money without really going to work with business cases, I'm not entirely

[2:09:27] Voice 12: comfortable doing things that way. I

[2:09:35] Voice 11: don't think it hurts ever to add engagement into

[2:09:44] Voice 11: the work we do, especially on an island where engagement is challenging.

[2:09:50] Voice 11: So I would have, but I, I'm just, I didn't grab him.

[2:09:58] Voice 11: Trustee Rogers.

[2:09:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trying to help.

[2:10:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): So as I understand it,

[2:10:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): you were developing business case right now and going in for $13,000.

[2:10:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): Cause that's what's in this for next year. So you're right.

[2:10:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): The FPC and the trust council is trying to move the budget in process

[2:10:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): earlier in the year. So we have an earlier opportunity.

[2:10:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): opportunity. So I would ask for more. And if you don't, if you decide in three months after you've

[2:10:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): done some engagement, you don't need it, you can modify your ask. Or a trust counselor can say

[2:10:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's too much. We sort of arbitrarily gave Hornby $15,000 without really any understanding

[2:10:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): what that was being spent on. And so I would suggest we modify the business case, ask staff

[2:10:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): staff to modify the business case and put it in for $16,500 or something like that $17,000 I'll say

[2:10:58] Voice 11: 16.5 just to

[2:10:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): take a number and and ask you about that business kids for that yeah

[2:11:04] Voice 11: this makes sense

[2:11:06] Voice 11: to me because we've added tasks so I think we should add resources um during side conversation

[2:11:16] Voice 11: about the timeline.

[2:11:18] Voice 11: I mean, I think that the budget business case

[2:11:21] Voice 11: is also going to be just adjusted

[2:11:22] Voice 11: in terms of our timelines and our assumptions.

[2:11:25] Voice 11: But I think we can do that administratively

[2:11:28] Voice 11: without you having to be specific.

[2:11:30] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:11:31] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:11:31] Voice 11: If

[2:11:32] Voice 8: that's what you would do naturally.

[2:11:33] Voice 8: Yeah, I think it's mostly quick.

[2:11:34] Voice 8: And then we won't, like for next fiscal,

[2:11:38] Voice 8: we won't necessarily complete it all with phase two.

[2:11:42] Voice 8: Right.

[2:11:42] Voice 8: So there could be some money that could get added

[2:11:45] Voice 8: because we won't have draft bylaws right okay

[2:11:50] Voice 3: so

[2:11:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): so would the motion then be the gambia local trust

[2:11:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee quest staff amend the business case for gambia official community plan review target

[2:12:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): targeted review project uh to um account for a budget request of sixteen thousand five hundred

[2:12:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): and bring back to the LCC

[2:12:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): for consideration of endorsement

[2:12:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): for fiscal year 2023.

[2:12:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Does that make sense?

[2:12:18] Voice 8: It does, but I would say

[2:12:20] Voice 8: we're hoping not to bring it back to you.

[2:12:23] Voice 8: Okay,

[2:12:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): so you don't want it brought back.

[2:12:24] Voice 8: You don't want it brought back

[2:12:25] Voice 8: because you don't have time now.

[2:12:27] Voice 8: You've got to get it to you.

[2:12:28] Voice 8: Fine,

[2:12:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): then take out that last and bring it back.

[2:12:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): It would end at $16,500.

[2:12:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then you would prepare the business case,

[2:12:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): send it off to FPC,

[2:12:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): where all of us will see it anyway.

[2:12:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): way yes because we're all on fpc until the end of october yes and we

[2:12:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): have a meeting on october

[2:12:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): the 12th and presumably we'll start to see some of the business cases coming in okay so that's

[2:12:50] Voice 11: my motion okay

[2:12:51] Voice 11: thank you do you have a second yes thank you motion is moved and seconded and

[2:12:55] Voice 11: we've had good discussion anything else make sure diane yeah she's got i'm watching her for voting

[2:13:02] Voice 11: now and uh okay so um i'm gonna call the question and all those in favor thank you that motion

[2:13:08] Voice 11: carries unanimously and are there any other ones that we want to you mentioned a letter

[2:13:18] Voice 11: okay think about it i

[2:13:20] Voice 11: think here it's a good point that those advocacy things that we have

[2:13:24] Voice 11: taken that detail off um but i think it's an important part of this particular trust committee

[2:13:30] Voice 11: and how that's changing because of the role the outcrop some of sound biosphere is taking on

[2:13:36] Voice 11: on, it's worth some consideration for the Islands Trust.

[2:13:40] Voice 11: Yeah, and because the Islands Trust is supposed to work

[2:13:43] Voice 11: in collaboration with others, and incoming new local trust

[2:13:49] Voice 11: committee should know where we are with that.

[2:13:52] Voice 11: And so I think that's a great idea.

[2:13:54] Voice 11: And if you don't want to move the motion now,

[2:13:56] Voice 11: I'll let you sketch something out,

[2:13:58] Voice 11: and then we'll come back to it.

[2:14:00] Voice 11: OK, and then we're going to put a quick checkmark beside 10.1

[2:14:06] Voice 11: for now and move on to 10.2 heats island shoreline protection project and uh i'm

[2:14:13] Voice 11: just checking to see if there's anybody in the participants waiting room here but i don't see

[2:14:18] Voice 11: let me make sure i've got the waiting yeah okay and um so uh this is a staff report for

[2:14:30] Voice 11: decision starting on page 177 for anybody following along and there's a number of

[2:14:38] Voice 11: motions here to be made and we're going to turn this over to plan mccullough please go ahead yeah

[2:14:44] Voice 8: so this is um a staff report and the proposed bylaws for silent bylaw 153 and 154. um these

[2:14:55] Voice 8: so they're back in november there was it was put forward for first reading and there was some

[2:15:02] Voice 8: amendments that were made at that time and then referrals were sent off to first nation

[2:15:06] Voice 8: So this, you're now seeing this again, and this is going forward for second reading with

[2:15:14] Voice 8: the amendments that were recommended at the November meeting, and then also to reflect

[2:15:19] Voice 8: the recommendations or the referral response that we heard from Squamish.

[2:15:25] Voice 8: So I've included their referral response in this package, and then we did a follow-up.

[2:15:32] Voice 8: we sent a letter which is also included and then we had a meeting in june with three staff members

[2:15:41] Voice 8: of the spawners nation and kind of talked through their referrals and you know had some good

[2:15:48] Voice 8: discussion and so this the amendments that you see in this in these bylaws are reflective of

[2:15:54] Voice 8: that discussion as well um so the recommendations that i have are that the bylaw 154 keeps

[2:16:09] Voice 8: filing land use bylaw we would replace require an environmental assessment with must require an

[2:16:18] Voice 8: environmental assessment and that came from these foundations they wanted

[2:16:22] Voice 3: stronger language around

[2:16:22] Voice 3: around that.

[2:16:28] Voice 8: You can see in I included, I don't know if it's

[2:16:32] Voice 8: helpful or confusing, but I included two copies of the

[2:16:36] Voice 8: bylaws. So you can see the track changes copy where all the

[2:16:40] Voice 8: changes are highlighted. And then there's a clean copy the

[2:16:43] Voice 8: inside did that for both the bylaws. And then we're also

[2:16:49] Voice 8: asking to request staff schedule a public hearing for the

[2:16:54] Voice 8: proposed bylaws. And then that we would also refer to squamish

[2:16:59] Voice 8: to them and we've also added a recommendation for an educational outreach from environmentally

[2:17:12] Voice 8: friendly mooring boys to the project list and that came out of discussions again okay

[2:17:23] Voice 11: thank you um

[2:17:24] Voice 11: questions or clarifications from the planner go ahead trustee budge um

[2:17:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): i have some

[2:17:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): a number of comments to make but i want to start by a clarification if i could please

[2:17:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the i saw the recommendations in the first recommendation and but the staff report seems

[2:17:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): to give a different language if you go to page

[2:17:52] Voice 12: 183 of the staff report and you go down near the

[2:18:00] Voice 12: bottom it says guidelines

[2:18:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): for construction and replacement of docs and reps staff staff

[2:18:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): suggesting stronger late language related to use of qualified kb added instead of this may require

[2:18:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): an environmental it will say this will require an environmental assessment but if we go up to the

[2:18:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): the first recommendation it says be amended as follows appendix one replaced this will require

[2:18:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): an environmental well this must require an environmental assessment so they seem to be

[2:18:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): different and i i i thought we were working on this will require an environmental assessment

[2:18:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): but what is the recommendation for stuff because as i read the report it seems to be it's the

[2:18:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): recommendation is this will require as opposed this may require so we've gone from may to will

[2:18:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then will to must and i just wonder which one is the one that you recommend she's digging down

[2:18:58] Voice 11: into the

[2:18:58] Voice 3: text in the draft it's will require

[2:19:54] Voice 12: but

[2:19:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): but so currently it will require it would

[2:20:06] Voice 8: so the proposed change is to change it from may require to will require

[2:20:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): right so that meant so

[2:20:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's the language that will be as opposed to the word must okay all right that's fine so when we

[2:20:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): get to that motion we can figure that out um so i'm sure most of you have seen some of the feedback

[2:20:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): we've been getting from keats related to this right now and i'm not saying exclusively this

[2:20:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): besides some concern and resistance or concerns about the way it is uh is is uh how they're being

[2:20:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): done and the two what i understand to be the two major messages that i'm getting and anybody's

[2:20:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): watching they can tell me that perhaps i'm not getting the main ones maybe there's other messages

[2:20:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): that i should be receiving what is is that there's some folks that don't think we should

[2:21:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know the second reading because we didn't have the the community information meeting on

[2:21:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): july the 14th and there hasn't had the opportunity and there's always this confusion as to what a

[2:21:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): community information meeting is um as because i always take it as an opportunity for people

[2:21:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): to understand what it is being proposed as opposed to getting feedback which is what a public hearing

[2:21:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the public commentary period so forth.

[2:21:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): In any case, there is concern that we shouldn't be going

[2:21:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): to second reading, even though, as I understand it,

[2:21:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): really the difference between where we're at

[2:21:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the process of having done second reading

[2:21:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): as opposed to first reading is not legislatively

[2:21:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): that different a place.

[2:21:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're still in the same place.

[2:21:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): We haven't had our public hearing,

[2:21:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): so just a matter of an opportunity to amend.

[2:21:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): But that's one concern that I've heard from folks

[2:21:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): is don't do second reading until after we've had our cim it i guess it causes me some concerns that

[2:22:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that if we do that and then amend some of the um of the bylaws after that the referral up to

[2:22:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): the squamish nation for example would be delayed by that period of time as well and the reality

[2:22:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): is we're going to wait until we get a fulsome response from the squamish nation and

[2:22:26] Voice 1: any other

[2:22:27] Voice 1: referral

[2:22:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): agencies that we may decide other nations etc in any case the second piece of feedback so

[2:22:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm still pondering whether we should do that because i actually have coming out of my next

[2:22:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): commentary i have a couple of amendments i'd like to make to the dialogue the second commentary i've

[2:22:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): I've gotten is around the size of the docks.

[2:22:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I must admit, and I acknowledge this publicly,

[2:22:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): I have not really realized the substantive nature

[2:23:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the reduction of the size of the docks.

[2:23:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): The new bylaws reduced the docks by, for the most part, 45%.

[2:23:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I sort of went, well, there's still 550 square feet.

[2:23:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): that seems like a fairly large dog um and i think most of the dogs perhaps the ones that i'm

[2:23:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): familiar with on my side of keats aren't that big but that's probably different on the other side of

[2:23:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): the island which is much more protected um and i had not recognized that and the the other piece

[2:23:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): was is that this reduction of the dark for the institutional zones and particularly for barnabas

[2:23:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): from was to 33 it was from 3 000 square meters down to 1 000 square meters and i must admit

[2:23:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): because i hadn't had a lot of specific feedback about that but i hadn't recognized the extent of

[2:23:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): that reduction of the float um i've done a bunch of reading and i can't see anything that's that

[2:24:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): i've seen that sort of gives a recommended size for floats etc and maybe i'm missing that so if

[2:24:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): anybody knows of anything i read the best practices document it doesn't it talks about a number of

[2:24:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): things but it doesn't talk about the size of the floats i look at the provincial regulations and

[2:24:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): it doesn't really talk about how big the floats should be or shouldn't be i think that's really

[2:24:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): a discretionary thing at our place my i'm seeing some nods but i appreciate if anybody has any

[2:24:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): information that i'm missing about whether or not the size of floats uh should have a recommended

[2:24:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): and size, et cetera, et cetera.

[2:24:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): So part of my

[2:24:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): thinking right now is

[2:24:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): that reducing

[2:24:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): by almost half the size of the floats

[2:24:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): is perhaps too big an ask for the community to accept.

[2:24:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I was going to make some amendments,

[2:24:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): but I wanted to have other people's points

[2:24:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): to slightly different sizes.

[2:24:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, slightly bigger sizes as the maximums.

[2:25:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I wanted to know whether I missed anything in that.

[2:25:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): So there's sort of a question embedded in there.

[2:25:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so, yes, thanks.

[2:25:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): Go ahead, Heather.

[2:25:12] Voice 11: Well, I actually want to invite our consultant to say anything

[2:25:17] Voice 11: if she has some comments on that.

[2:25:18] Voice 11: Because she is, she's here for our ICP project,

[2:25:22] Voice 11: but she does do a lot of consulting around docs and shoreline involvement.

[2:25:28] Voice 11: So she may be able to contribute to that.

[2:25:32] Voice 11: Go ahead, please

[2:25:34] Voice 11: introduce yourself because I forgot to say your last name.

[2:25:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay,

[2:25:36] Voice 11: my name is Sherry Bosgrove and I have a consultant business.

[2:25:39] Voice 11: I'm an independent planner based on planning services.

[2:25:43] Voice 11: What we specialize in is offshore applications with the province.

[2:25:49] Voice 11: One of the factors with float and limiting sizes is the province has different regulations

[2:25:59] Voice 11: around specific permissions, general permissions,

[2:26:02] Voice 11: and then you'd have to submit your applications to DFO.

[2:26:06] Voice 11: Well, DFO required that a float must be in 1.5 meters

[2:26:11] Voice 11: of water at the land side of the dock.

[2:26:14] Voice 11: So if you reduce the size of a dock,

[2:26:19] Voice 11: and we can't meet those debts,

[2:26:23] Voice 11: then we may end up having people applying

[2:26:29] Voice 11: so that they can comply with the federal fisheries regulations that's one of the issues that i've

[2:26:36] Voice 11: run into a couple of times where the zoning bylaws said that the dock cannot be larger than 30 meters

[2:26:44] Voice 11: from the upland to the end of the float so you can't always achieve the dfo's regulations when

[2:26:53] Voice 11: the province actually sets out to their specific index on their general guidelines and that you

[2:27:03] Voice 11: can build a dock 60 meters from the upland to the end of the floor so you end up with the difference

[2:27:09] Voice 11: in regulation and who has jurisdiction over the intertidal area right and

[2:27:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that's a different

[2:27:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): issue ours is about the total size of the top of the flow like how big they can be

[2:27:21] Voice 12: like

[2:27:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): right now our floats can be uh 65 square meters

[2:27:28] Voice 12: individual

[2:27:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): floats which is over 700 square

[2:27:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): feet i've been trying to figure out how anybody why anybody would need a float that was 70 by 10

[2:27:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): um 70 feet long by 10 feet wide and in our local there is not a boat with seven feet 70 feet long

[2:27:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): and beyond keith island that i know of anyway but and but the reduction and when i was wondering

[2:27:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): whether there was any kind of best practices around maximum size of floats and what i'm hearing

[2:27:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): from you is that it makes sense that you you shouldn't have too short a distance from the

[2:28:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): thorshire but we don't control that the province controls that um because they deal with the ramp

[2:28:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): we simply put a total size in in terms of the of the ramp of the thing so and but the proposal was

[2:28:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): us to reduce that from six is to reduce that from 65 square meters to 36 square meters um which is

[2:28:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): as i said 55 of the current maximum size so it would be down to it would be down to uh from 700

[2:28:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): down to around 400 square meters square feet um which is still you know relatively substantial

[2:28:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it does seem like a fairly large reduction and but without any particular scientific rationale

[2:28:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): rationale for that that I know of um I mean there's already all sorts of provisions related to

[2:28:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): um uh the opaque light coming through and which way they're supposed to face and and how much

[2:28:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): distance there is between them Etc Etc but once the once the float is in it doesn't make any

[2:29:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): difference whether it's whether it's 36 square except there are some clearly some um in my view

[2:29:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): anyway some um optical issues some some some issues regarding how your landscape is i remember

[2:29:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): i was saying to one of my constituents i remember when somebody wanted to put a float in pender

[2:29:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): harbor to house two 100 foot boats and a helicopter pad and the neighborhood went a little nuts um

[2:29:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): And rightfully so, in my view, who wants to have a 400-foot dock in front of them, 400-foot long dock in front of them.

[2:29:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, but it strikes me that, anyway, okay, nobody has, there is nothing that I've been able to find that sort of says,

[2:29:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): this is an optimal size for a float from an environmental point of view.

[2:29:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): I

[2:29:56] Voice 1: know there's other

[2:29:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): environmental considerations about separation.

[2:30:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): and et cetera, but has anybody seen anything like that?

[2:30:05] Voice 8: I guess I would say that, I don't know.

[2:30:11] Voice 8: I don't know off the top of my head.

[2:30:12] Voice 8: It's not that you don't have that data.

[2:30:14] Voice 8: We might have that data available,

[2:30:16] Voice 8: but I don't have that data.

[2:30:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'm sort of randomly picking some other numbers.

[2:30:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll be frank with you.

[2:30:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, it's because there is

[2:30:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): no, I think they should be.

[2:30:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't think anybody, frankly,

[2:30:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): I guess if anybody watches, they may disagree with me.

[2:30:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't think anybody needs a 700 square foot uh uh box in our local trust area in our in our island

[2:30:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): i can't imagine a scenario where someone for a single owner because there is of course increased

[2:30:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): sizes if more people

[2:30:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): use it um and so i was going to suggest that instead of 36 meters for

[2:30:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): um square meters for an individual that it'd be 47 meters uh square meters and that instead

[2:31:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): instead of an increase for each new user of 25 meters it'd be 30 meters square meters and that

[2:31:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): the maximum and that that would go up from 85 meters as a maximum size to 105 square meters

[2:31:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is 1100 square feet which means if you have three or four multiple users uh you know

[2:31:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): you would have an average of 300 250 300 square foot per user um which is still you know I mean

[2:31:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): you probably likely have three maximum on any particular wharf but it still gives you a fairly

[2:31:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): substantive size you could have some fairly good size and some separation in the boats anyway that

[2:31:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then i was going to i do think that there's i was specifically contacted by the one of the

[2:31:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): institutions on the camps on the island one that has a lot of floats thinking that a thousand square

[2:31:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): meter maximum was too small for what they have and they probably already have more than that

[2:31:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I was going to propose an increase of that from 1,000 to 1,500.

[2:32:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then wait for some reaction from people back and say, no, that still doesn't work, and here's why.

[2:32:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): But get some rationale for why that's not sufficient.

[2:32:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that's, by the way, just let me finish.

[2:32:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know I've been talking a lot.

[2:32:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's very consistent with what we did on the other side of Keats for that rezoning that we did.

[2:32:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's very consistent with what we provided for them.

[2:32:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's a little bit a little bit more but they had a very specific ask and and they're much more

[2:32:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): exposed over there but it's a little bit larger we we gave an average of because we were dividing

[2:32:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): between three locations it was a total of 120 square meters but they would divide it as they

[2:32:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): saw fit because there were three they were allowed to have three jobs but with one owner

[2:32:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it's approximately the same perhaps a little larger so that's that's my

[2:32:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): thinking i wanted to

[2:32:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i guess my next question is if i wanted to make these amendments would it be better to then

[2:33:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): give it a second reading so that we can send it out to the squamish station and have that ready

[2:33:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): as long and make it clear to people that that doesn't that really the the key point in all

[2:33:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): any bylaw is third reading, not second reading, it's third reading, unless I'm missing something.

[2:33:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): And if anybody disagrees with what I'm saying, please say so, so that I get this straight.

[2:33:26] Voice 8: Lawrence, I was wondering if I could just comment on what you initially started with,

[2:33:31] Voice 8: with the public concern over the CIM happening after second reading. And I wonder if there's

[2:33:37] Voice 8: a bit of confusion because this process has taken so long. So I wasn't here at the time,

[2:33:42] Voice 8: but when i look back there was a ci after first reading there was cim in september and october

[2:33:48] Voice 8: yes and

[2:33:49] Voice 8: then the bylaws went forward um with amendments based on on what we heard from those

[2:33:57] Voice 8: cims in november and then they went out to referral again because there was so many changes

[2:34:02] Voice 8: that we thought it we should send them out to referral again and then it's just taken a really

[2:34:07] Voice 8: long time in that process and so now here we are again you know doing looking at doing another cim

[2:34:15] Voice 8: in a couple of weeks and then moving forward but yeah there

[2:34:19] Voice 8: already has been two

[2:34:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): two yeah

[2:34:22] Voice 8: and

[2:34:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): to be clear we had two before we started the whole project plus a survey plus a working group

[2:34:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i'm not diminishing that people want to have their say i appreciate that there can be a lot of

[2:34:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): public input on something like this but there has been a fairly lengthy process plus we've had a

[2:34:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): number of amendments to it we there was a i don't know if it was you marla circles the previous uh

[2:34:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): planner that we made a number of amendments to the vegetation section of the development permit

[2:34:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): area which i think people appreciate i've got some notes that people say thank you for that

[2:34:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): off they said thank you but you know they appreciate they felt like they'd been heard

[2:34:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that some of those changes have been made was that you or is that that was jamie that was jamie

[2:35:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): but

[2:35:03] Voice 8: i do think when it goes to referral um so and we're kind of doing the referral again to squamish

[2:35:08] Voice 8: in particular because they've asked for it and they'd like to see so i feel like when it goes

[2:35:12] Voice 8: to them it should be as close to what we want right

[2:35:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): and so my suggestion i guess where i'm

[2:35:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): leaning and i just want there will be some folks from each watching this i'm sure is i'm leaning

[2:35:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): into giving a second reading but second reading second reading it's not third reading it's not

[2:35:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're not we're not committed to any of this, and and we can have a public hearing either after first reading, or we can have a public hearing after secondary.

[2:35:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): And really I want to give a second reading, I think, want to give it second reading, because then we can make the if my fellow trustees agree with me, make the amendments that as as you suggested, and as i'm going to suggest and and and if we do that

[2:35:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): then it can get go back to the squamish nation and perhaps we can get a i don't know if we'll

[2:36:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): get a timely response or not i guess we'll see whether we do that i clearly do not want

[2:36:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): to say this publicly i don't want to go public hearing until we've had the final response from

[2:36:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): the squamish nation um and any other referrals that we're waiting for um because i think that

[2:36:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): would be unfair because we don't well it's just not a good process we want to make sure that we

[2:36:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're on good ground. We don't want to have to reverse course again. So

[2:36:28] Voice 11: I've

[2:36:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): done a lot of time.

[2:36:31] Voice 11: All right. Thank you. Then we'll break it up a little bit here. Go ahead, Kate. I just had a

[2:36:36] Voice 11: comment about the proposed changes, increasing the size of the docks. Does that have any impact

[2:36:42] Voice 11: on other requirements that we have for spacing? Well,

[2:36:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's interesting because people are going

[2:36:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): not happening i've had some feedback related to 10 minute meters apart but between the provincial

[2:36:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): standards and i went and found the the actual navigable waters provisions that are referred

[2:37:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): and indeed it does say 10 meters apart between the docks that that's what they require otherwise

[2:37:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're not considered to be a minor work if you're closer than that then that then you'll have a

[2:37:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): number of requirements from the from the federal government to put your dock in that that doesn't

[2:37:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): meet that standard that's the way i read that which is where that 10 meter comes from it's

[2:37:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the Navajo waters and i believe also from the province isn't that right yeah i'm seeing

[2:37:31] Voice 11: nodding from the planners go ahead well and i just

[2:37:34] Voice 8: in terms of procedure i wanted to reiterate that

[2:37:37] Voice 8: you know the whole reason that a public hearing is

[2:37:40] Voice 11: is required by the province for this kind of

[2:37:44] Voice 11: thing is because um that is that that really is the built-in opportunity for the public to say

[2:37:51] Voice 11: what they want to say and the ltc can change the bylaw after the public hearing um which is why it

[2:37:58] Voice 11: happens before third reading right right

[2:38:00] Voice 11: and so um so i

[2:38:03] Voice 8: just want to emphasize that yeah

[2:38:05] Voice 11: and correct me if i'm wrong but public input is welcome throughout the process right up until

[2:38:12] Voice 11: public hearing right so these community information meetings which sure information flows both ways

[2:38:21] Voice 11: but they're there mostly to inform the community about what's being proposed so that the public

[2:38:29] Voice 11: input that comes the next week at the meeting the next week the next month anytime until the public

[2:38:36] Voice 11: care can can have can be informed right so um just so everybody knows there's lots of opportunity

[2:38:43] Voice 11: for public input and uh and you can do it in writing or you can do it as a delegation or you

[2:38:49] Voice 11: can come and speak to the ltc at town hall session at any one of these meetings um or you can uh

[2:38:55] Voice 11: contact a planner if you're unsure about what the the the facts are that you're trying to

[2:39:02] Voice 11: to make yourself articulate.

[2:39:06] Voice 11: Look, here I am trying to articulate the words articulate.

[2:39:10] Voice 11: Okay, so with that being said,

[2:39:18] Voice 11: I'm wondering, I'm looking by the way at page 184,

[2:39:22] Voice 11: which sort of has a graph of the public process

[2:39:26] Voice 11: that we've been to to date.

[2:39:27] Voice 11: And just noting on there, you write down that the work

[2:39:31] Voice 11: that was done the survey and the two community information meetings before first reading our

[2:39:35] Voice 11: name but even on this chart so there's more um that has happened and um and this chart is uh

[2:39:44] Voice 11: a little up to date a little out of date probably or is it pretty much in in time i'm just i think

[2:39:51] Voice 11: it should be up to date oh i see right sorry i'm not reading i'm reading the curves the wrong way

[2:39:56] Voice 11: very good okay september 2022. yeah

[2:39:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think that flow chart just covers off periods since

[2:40:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): the bylaws were dropped yeah

[2:40:04] Voice 11: we had a whole

[2:40:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): community engagement process before that yeah um

[2:40:10] Voice 12: people

[2:40:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): people have different views about that but there was a at least those four things the

[2:40:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): working group the survey the and the two information sessions at the outset of this

[2:40:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): process where we brought people together both on keats and and i think it was in west band

[2:40:32] Voice 12: very

[2:40:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): big turnout yeah

[2:40:34] Voice 12: um yeah and

[2:40:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): that was before this term yeah so

[2:40:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): that was four years ago

[2:40:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah so

[2:40:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): i anyway have trouble with anybody saying we rushed the process um so um i i i think just to

[2:40:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): keep us moving i'm going to move that the gambia local trust committee bylaw number 154 cited it's

[2:40:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): got keats island land use bylaw 2002 amendment number one 2021 be amended as follows i'm going

[2:41:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): to do this separately a appendix one 9.3 dp shoreline 0.3 guidelines item k replace quote

[2:41:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): quote, this may require an environmental assessment with,

[2:41:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): quote, this will require an environmental assessment.

[2:41:25] Voice 3: Second.

[2:41:31] Voice 11: That's what we referred to before.

[2:41:33] Voice 11: Anybody want to discuss it further?

[2:41:35] Voice 11: Okay, then I'll call the question.

[2:41:37] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[2:41:38] Voice 11: One, two, three hands go up.

[2:41:40] Voice 11: That passes unanimously.

[2:41:41] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:41:41] Voice 11: And what's next?

[2:41:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, you can find bylaw.

[2:41:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): on, there's a series of sections now that get affected,

[2:41:53] Voice 12: but I guess

[2:42:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): someone will tell me whether this won't work,

[2:42:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): but I'm going to move that by-law,

[2:42:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry, whatever the by-law,

[2:42:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): by-law number 150 Gambira,

[2:42:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): local trust committee by-law number 154,

[2:42:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): schedule one be amended so that wherever there is reference

[2:42:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): reference to 36 square meters it will read 47

[2:42:30] Voice 12: square meters and that wherever it refers

[2:42:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): to 25 square meters it will read 30 square meters and that wherever it refers to 85 square

[2:42:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): meters, it will read 105 square meters. And then where it reads 1000 square meters, it

[2:43:11] Voice 12: will read 1500 square meters with appropriate square footage noted

[2:43:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): as well.

[2:43:31] Voice 12: Or each.

[2:43:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, and if you go through there it's always noted all the way through.

[2:43:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay

[2:43:38] Voice 12: is

[2:43:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): that is that okay to do it that way okay those

[2:43:44] Voice 12: are the ones i've noticed i think that's

[2:43:46] Voice 12: right that catches what i want to do

[2:43:50] Voice 11: okay thank you i've got them down 36 to 47 25 to 30 85 to

[2:43:57] Voice 11: 105 1000 to 1500 correct okay and uh diane's got

[2:44:02] Voice 11: it you've got a seconder down thank you

[2:44:05] Voice 11: and um very good uh you just spoke to this earlier i've

[2:44:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): spoken to it i'll just say again

[2:44:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh please if anybody's watching wants to to tell us why that still won't work um tell us uh

[2:44:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): it seems to me that's substantive amount of dog space and we're i'm specifically tried to make

[2:44:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): it so that it was attractive for people to share dogs because i got that feedback from

[2:44:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): a couple of people that oh you're not making it attractive enough for people to share dogs

[2:44:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're going to end up with more individual dogs i think hopefully this will make it so that people

[2:44:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): will be able to continue to because there are at least two

[2:44:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): and maybe three examples of people

[2:44:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): sharing dogs yeah

[2:44:49] Voice 11: and i think that was the intent it's

[2:44:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): always been it's always been in the first

[2:44:54] Voice 11: place okay okay uh

[2:44:57] Voice 11: further comment uh discussion no we're seeing no discussions and seeing the

[2:45:02] Voice 11: numbers in front of me here i'm going to call the question all those in favor one two three hands go

[2:45:07] Voice 11: up thank you that's very good that passes so

[2:45:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll move that the gambier island local trust committee

[2:45:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): bylaw number 153 site is peace island official community plan 2002 amendment number one 2021

[2:45:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): as shown in attachment one of the staff report dated no i've shown the attachment as shown and

[2:45:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): amended in attachment one of the staff report dated september 1 2022 be read a second time

[2:45:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): as amended sorry i guess i don't need the as amended the first time so it's just as it's

[2:45:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): written i'm sorry yeah

[2:45:41] Voice 11: so he uh dan has moved the motion uh number two there as written and

[2:45:47] Voice 11: i've got a seconder in kate stanford thank you very much uh do we want to discuss this any

[2:45:52] Voice 11: further no i think it makes sense i'd like to call the question all those in favor one two three

[2:45:59] Voice 11: hands go up the motion is carried uh the second reading is done well

[2:46:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's for 153 that's the

[2:46:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): ocp that yeah you're on the local trust committee bylaw number 154 site it's key to island land use

[2:46:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): bylaw 2002 amendment number one 2021 being read a second time as amended thank

[2:46:20] Voice 11: you and i've got a

[2:46:21] Voice 11: seconder to kate louise and um this is for 154 right there okay thank you and uh any more

[2:46:27] Voice 11: discussion all those in favor that passes unanimously very good and

[2:46:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): i move that the

[2:46:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): gambier i local trust committee request staff to refer proposed uh bylaw number 154 is amended to

[2:46:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): the squamish quamish nation thank

[2:46:44] Voice 11: you and i've got a seconder from kate louise thank you and um

[2:46:50] Voice 11: do we only refer 154 or it's a question for the planners would we refer 153 as well

[2:46:57] Voice 8: 154 was the

[2:46:58] Voice 8: the only one that we made change to based on there oh right right okay good

[2:47:04] Voice 11: okay thank you

[2:47:06] Voice 11: and then uh any more discussion then i will call the question all those in favor thank you that

[2:47:13] Voice 11: passes unanimously so

[2:47:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): do you know you don't need a motion for the september 15th cim that's just

[2:47:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): just a given we're

[2:47:22] Voice 11: just doing it it's in the project charter already it's also already in

[2:47:29] Voice 11: under upcoming meetings so

[2:47:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's it's so again for public information september's and i'll get that

[2:47:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): september 15th 6 30 i think it is uh

[2:47:39] Voice 3: 6

[2:47:42] Voice 11: 30 to 8 30 by zoom by

[2:47:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): zoom so that's when the um uh we'll

[2:47:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): have the community information meeting and an opportunity to ask questions and stuff yeah um

[2:47:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): i know you're i'm at uvc

[2:47:57] Voice 11: i'm at union of bc municipalities annual convention in whistler

[2:48:00] Voice 11: but this is in the evening and uh so i'll be happy to share that okay

[2:48:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): um talk to me about why

[2:48:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): we should schedule a public hearing before we've had the cim and response from this grunge nation

[2:48:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): because i'll i guess i can make the motion but do we want to do that

[2:48:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm just wondering about motion number five about scheduling the public hearing

[2:48:27] Voice 11: because we still have so much public input that we're well different kinds

[2:48:31] Voice 12: of public input that

[2:48:32] Voice 12: we're expecting we

[2:48:35] Voice 8: generally keep this flexible there's not a specific date in it um it's just

[2:48:40] Voice 8: a notice that we're going to schedule public hearing when the time is right it's kind of

[2:48:44] Voice 8: that's okay

[2:48:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): so it's a generic we aren't necessarily setting a date

[2:48:48] Voice 8: that's right i think

[2:48:49] Voice 8: in the report i suggested mid mid-october right but so

[2:48:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): we could make that we need to make that

[2:48:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): decision as an lgc by our sort of resolution without meeting at some point or if we give

[2:49:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): you authority you

[2:49:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): can just work with us okay

[2:49:08] Voice 4: so

[2:49:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll move at the gambier on the local stress

[2:49:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee because staff to schedule public hearing for proposed bylaw number 153 ocp and 154 lg okay

[2:49:20] Voice 11: thank you thank you uh any more discussion about this it's a funny time happening right at

[2:49:28] Voice 11: mid-october being election

[2:49:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): day well and i'll just be frank but i may be that we decide we

[2:49:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't want to do it before

[2:49:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): the election.

[2:49:42] Voice 11: But I think we're giving

[2:49:44] Voice 11: by passing this motion

[2:49:46] Voice 11: we would be giving staff

[2:49:48] Voice 11: the authority to schedule it.

[2:49:50] Voice 11: Right? Well, I mean

[2:49:52] Voice 11: we would still work with you.

[2:49:53] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:49:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm presuming if some of the bygones

[2:49:59] Voice 11: Yeah. Okay.

[2:50:01] Voice 11: All right.

[2:50:03] Voice 11: So

[2:50:05] Voice 11: any more discussion that I'm going to call

[2:50:07] Voice 11: the question? All those in favor?

[2:50:09] Voice 11: very good that motion passes and

[2:50:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll move that can be our local trust committee because we just

[2:50:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): did our projects list request that to add educational outreach and environmentally

[2:50:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): friendly mooring boys to the projects list yeah

[2:50:22] Voice 11: senator thank you and uh i know this

[2:50:28] Voice 11: what category would we put this under it's

[2:50:31] Voice 12: not advocacy

[2:50:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): advocacy

[2:50:33] Voice 11: very good in the advocacy

[2:50:35] Voice 11: advocacy education

[2:50:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank

[2:50:38] Voice 11: you and uh that's very good see i'm getting and i see a seconder

[2:50:43] Voice 11: and uh did you want to say something too quickly no no i think that's very good one to have on our

[2:50:48] Voice 11: advocacy list i'd like to call the question all those in favor thank you very good that passes

[2:50:53] Voice 11: okay

[2:50:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): thanks very much i'm done well

[2:50:55] Voice 11: done very good oh

[2:50:57] Voice 10: it's a very there's tons of reading that

[2:51:00] Voice 10: goes into these

[2:51:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): kinds of it's just it's just a shame we didn't get to do this on case where

[2:51:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): people could have

[2:51:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): been there to come and talk to us and understand what we're doing and i

[2:51:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): as i said i'm sure they're watching some people are watching and i'm sure it would be well

[2:51:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): attended on september okay

[2:51:18] Voice 11: and that by the way is in our agenda on on 16.3 is the specific

[2:51:25] Voice 11: information about that upcoming meeting and nothing in correspondence I'm moving

[2:51:32] Voice 11: on now to you

[2:51:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): missed 10.3 oh thank you

[2:51:35] Voice 11: okay so we're starting on page 224 for this I knew that was wrong this 224

[2:51:49] Voice 11: Sorry, this is a project close to Kate Louise's mind and heart, I would say, and so we've got a briefing before us here, a memo, more of an update, and it looks like to me, but Planner McCargo, would you like to take us through this?

[2:52:12] Voice 11: yeah so

[2:52:12] Voice 8: this is just yeah like you said it's just a memo to update you on the progress that has been

[2:52:17] Voice 8: made with the camp heroes kled bargaining review project um it also includes two draft discussion

[2:52:26] Voice 8: papers and it introduces the community engagement plan and then outlines next steps in the project

[2:52:35] Voice 3: okay

[2:52:36] Voice 8: so um i can give you a quick kind of update

[2:52:39] Voice 8: and then um i might even pass it over to sharon

[2:52:43] Voice 8: if she has anything to add or yes kind of wanted to use this opportunity to introduce her as well

[2:52:48] Voice 8: so the proposal process to hire a consultant concluded at the end of june and the contract

[2:52:53] Voice 8: was awarded to bay shore fighting services and over the summer they've been busy

[2:53:00] Voice 8: doing a number of things to advance the project they've attended a kickoff meeting they've been

[2:53:06] Voice 8: reviewing relevant reports and bylaws they developed

[2:53:10] Voice 8: the community engagement plan which is

[2:53:12] Voice 8: in this package and then it's also up on the website under our project page developed a brochure

[2:53:19] Voice 8: for mail out so everyone on gambier should have received hopefully you all did should have received

[2:53:25] Voice 8: in the mail a brochure that outlines just a little introduction to the project and then also the dates

[2:53:32] Voice 8: for the upcoming engagement sessions which are today and then one online on september 14th

[2:53:42] Voice 8: and then i've also included in here the draft discussion papers so they were included in the

[2:53:47] Voice 8: july agenda package as well that we were able to when the meeting didn't go it was cancelled

[2:53:55] Voice 8: we did meet with um kay louise and she gave us some feedback so some of that has been incorporated

[2:54:01] Voice 8: into this draft of the two different discussion papers so we have the shoreline protection

[2:54:07] Voice 8: and then the forest ecosystem protection discussion paper and generally they are you know they're

[2:54:15] Voice 8: welcome the public's welcome to have a look at them they're they're drafts that are kind of

[2:54:20] Voice 8: working working documents but they are really for the LCC to lay out the tools that are available

[2:54:27] Voice 8: to you and also for the working group to really be clear on the different tools that we have before

[2:54:33] Voice 8: for us. So they're long, they're really detailed and comprehensive. And one of the things we're

[2:54:40] Voice 8: working with the consultants on is developing, they've developed some drafts so far of fact

[2:54:46] Voice 8: sheets that will really distill down what's in the discussion papers. And I see, I sort of see

[2:54:52] Voice 8: the discussion papers still as working documents that will continue to evolve as this process goes

[2:54:58] Voice 8: goes forward. And I put in just even a couple of placeholders

[2:55:02] Voice 8: of things based on the fact that we already have paper leaves and

[2:55:06] Voice 8: working group that will kind of hopefully be flushed out more as

[2:55:10] Voice 8: the engagement continues. And I think that's sort of generally

[2:55:17] Voice 8: there was a working

[2:55:18] Voice 8: group meeting also last week, that

[2:55:22] Voice 8: went really well. And we've been working really hard on getting a

[2:55:28] Voice 8: survey community survey so we'll talk more about that in the engagement workshop this afternoon

[2:55:39] Voice 8: i'll turn over to sharon if you have anything to add yeah

[2:55:42] Voice 11: um thanks very much for the introduction

[2:55:45] Voice 11: so um we have been busy putting together the communication plan and basically we put together

[2:55:55] Voice 11: the survey, which is live. I just would like to draw your attention to the flyer that was

[2:56:02] Voice 11: mailed out. So this basically has a QR code on it where you can scan this to fill out

[2:56:12] Voice 11: the survey. But I would really encourage you to go to the Gambia Island project page because

[2:56:18] Voice 11: all the resources and educational materials are posted to that site. So if you have trouble

[2:56:23] Voice 11: with the QR code you can just go straight to the project page. So basically what we want to do is

[2:56:32] Voice 11: to provide the residents on Gambia to provide input and there's our email addresses in there so

[2:56:41] Voice 11: feel free to send in comments or ask questions. We've been developing maps and you'll see that

[2:56:49] Voice 11: those maps around the room here just to try orient to um to trigger some thoughts and uh just to

[2:56:58] Voice 11: provide opportunities to educate about land use and just the complexities around the jurisdictions

[2:57:06] Voice 11: uh with regards to land uses it's very much a collaborative process in terms of changing the

[2:57:15] Voice 11: the LCP and the land use bylaws.

[2:57:20] Voice 11: So basically what we're looking at doing is

[2:57:23] Voice 11: a targeted review. So we'll be looking at

[2:57:27] Voice 11: specific policies around

[2:57:30] Voice 11: forest ecosystem protection,

[2:57:36] Voice 11: looking at what existing policies there are,

[2:57:39] Voice 11: and if there's a need to tweak those policies to achieve

[2:57:43] Voice 11: the um the objectives of our own trust community and so the forest ecosystem is is one of the

[2:57:52] Voice 11: you know it's a large component of this island and it's it's um regulated at the

[2:57:59] Voice 11: provincial level so you know zoning has a place with how the land is used and so as kate louise

[2:58:11] Voice 11: there's the opportunity to look at the biosphere and what are the implications of that on these lands.

[2:58:17] Voice 11: The other area that we're focusing on is shoreline protection and access to public docks.

[2:58:24] Voice 11: This covers community docks and private moorages as well.

[2:58:30] Voice 11: and so you know looking at ways that we can um you know develop and share mortgage facilities how to

[2:58:38] Voice 11: retain those community docs um in order for access it's critical for people to be able to

[2:58:46] Voice 11: access um the island via water because it's so you know it's the only way you can really access

[2:58:52] Voice 11: access via water access online. So looking at policies to strengthen those access points.

[2:59:00] Voice 11: And also archaeological and cultural heritage protection. This is the other area of focus.

[2:59:08] Voice 11: Looking at how we can update the land use by-law and the OCP to consider First Nations

[2:59:18] Voice 11: nation's interests and particularly this formation of discussion and then that's part of this

[2:59:26] Voice 11: whole communications plan is to engage with all affected people and the First Nations

[2:59:34] Voice 11: and to gather as much correspondence as we can and so I think that's it in a nutshell.

[2:59:46] Voice 11: I just wanted to add first thing to staff and the Bayshore for the work that was done it was a very very short timeline, and there was a

[2:59:59] Voice 11: one.

[3:00:00] Voice 11: removal um stipulation for these youth boys which the island's trust employees are part of

[3:00:07] Voice 11: so that was causing a lot of restrictions i really appreciate how much work went into this

[3:00:14] Voice 11: to get it down as quick as we could for this one opportunity to have one an in-person meeting today

[3:00:21] Voice 11: um i think there was some concerns about um the mail office we do very few mail outs um but

[3:00:28] Voice 11: several people including myself there's a wrong address and so people are aware that we don't

[3:00:35] Voice 11: generate our own addresses they come from rural provincial these assessments so um i now have a

[3:00:44] Voice 11: direct link on how to update those addresses because i think several people didn't care

[3:00:50] Voice 11: are and then other things make sure we're going to include you know links rather than just the qr

[3:00:58] Voice 11: codes i've got some responses but we know how to use qr codes so um we're learning as we go but i'm

[3:01:06] Voice 11: really excited about this thank you thank you and with that point um we're due to start in uh less

[3:01:15] Voice 11: than an hour so i want to hurry up uh through the rest of the media i think it'll go quite quickly

[3:01:19] Voice 11: quickly, but is there anything else about 10.3 that we wanted to say at this point or

[3:01:25] Voice 11: can't wait until January when we begin that part of the meeting?

[3:01:30] Voice 11: Very good.

[3:01:31] Voice 11: Okay, thank you and welcome Sharon, yes, and everybody, of course, okay, and then now,

[3:01:37] Voice 11: so I'll put a checkmark beside 10.3 now and move on to 11.1, we've got an offer at page

[3:01:51] Voice 11: And this was an email to you, Kate, and did you want to say anything about this?

[3:01:57] Voice 11: No, I just responded. We had an interview.

[3:02:02] Voice 11: We'll see where it goes from here. Okay, thank you.

[3:02:05] Voice 11: All of the correspondence that comes in is here, so anybody can look at it for the transparency side of things.

[3:02:11] Voice 11: And then moving on, new business, you've got two items.

[3:02:16] Voice 11: both of them I think for you Kate degrees 12.1 Island's Trust Conservancy three

[3:02:21] Voice 11: year plan briefing and then 12.2 with both the minister coming so I didn't put this on

[3:02:28] Voice 11: for the three-year plan briefing but briefly it's a requirement that the Island's Trust Conservancy

[3:02:35] Voice 11: provide generally a five-year plan to the government it's one of its basic structures

[3:02:42] Voice 11: And because of staffing challenges and the effects of the pandemic on our staffing, we've

[3:02:52] Voice 11: permitted to go through to a three-year planning with a focus on First Nations and building

[3:02:58] Voice 11: that First Nations engagement into everything that the Amherst Trust Conservancy does.

[3:03:03] Voice 11: debt. So that's the big, we're beginning that now in relation

[3:03:10] Voice 11: to trust fees for input. But what is it for us is a

[3:03:15] Voice 11: foundational document. Thank you. And just I just trust

[3:03:21] Voice 11: Conservancy is like one big arm of the Islands Trust, the whole

[3:03:25] Voice 11: Islands Trust, and one arm of it is Islands Trust Conservancy.

[3:03:28] Voice 11: Kate is the chair, I'm vice chair as it happens. And there's

[3:03:35] Voice 11: to go into that um at item 13.1 if there's a report yeah i'll provide it right okay so 12.2

[3:03:43] Voice 11: so 12.2 um it came to our attention about a week ago now i got a call from the ministry of rural

[3:03:53] Voice 11: economic development requesting that the minister come together to make an announcement about our

[3:04:01] Voice 11: last meal last mile funding for fiber optic attachments so that would be the idea to be

[3:04:10] Voice 11: applied for funding about six months ago through the regional district um yeah um for fiber optic

[3:04:20] Voice 11: connectivity based on the connected coast which is a marine cable that's coming in

[3:04:26] Voice 11: probably early next year into New Brighton and West Bay.

[3:04:32] Voice 11: So to make that announcement of our successful funding,

[3:04:37] Voice 11: Minister Rudy Hutchins will be coming to Gambier

[3:04:41] Voice 11: and making an announcement about 11.30 on September 6th.

[3:04:46] Voice 11: So I will send an announcement out tomorrow, let people know.

[3:04:52] Voice 11: And I'd just like to thank the regional district

[3:04:55] Voice 11: for stepping up and making this probably one of the most easy processes um to have major

[3:05:02] Voice 11: infrastructure brought to the island and this funding is not everybody gets this kind of funding

[3:05:08] Voice 11: so it's really exciting to be a part of this um and we'll find out the details more on september

[3:05:15] Voice 11: 6th are you able to attend oh that'll be great okay good so yeah details will be forthcoming

[3:05:22] Voice 11: tomorrow morning so i just wanted to introduce that it's not really an island stress function

[3:05:29] Voice 11: in any way but um it might affect how people can live and work on them yeah

[3:05:38] Voice 11: i i

[3:05:41] Voice 12: make

[3:05:43] Voice 11: sure every single time to mention and don't worry we you know we they'll

[3:05:49] Voice 11: So both our local MP, Patrick Wheeler, and the minister will be walking the bright and dark.

[3:05:58] Voice 11: We'll be pointing out the reports of any bright and dark.

[3:06:02] Voice 11: What a surprise.

[3:06:04] Voice 11: Very good.

[3:06:05] Voice 11: Very good.

[3:06:06] Voice 11: Okay, thank you, Kate Louise.

[3:06:07] Voice 11: Islands Trust Conservancy Report 13.1, starting on page 284.

[3:06:13] Voice 11: Did you want to say a few words?

[3:06:15] Voice 11: Where did I put that?

[3:06:19] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:06:21] Voice 11: I'll try and make it as brief as possible.

[3:06:23] Voice 11: Last week, the Honest Trust Conservancy,

[3:06:26] Voice 11: we had a very productive day-long communication strategy workshop.

[3:06:30] Voice 11: First opportunity we had to be in person as a whole.

[3:06:33] Voice 11: It was really good.

[3:06:36] Voice 11: The Honest Trust Conservancy will be receiving a second three-year SAR funding amount,

[3:06:41] Voice 11: more than a half a million dollars.

[3:06:43] Voice 11: Species at risk.

[3:06:45] Voice 11: Species at risk.

[3:06:46] Voice 11: So we have funding.

[3:06:47] Voice 11: and out of um our earlier species of risk funding for an environment climate change

[3:06:56] Voice 11: we are doing some joint funding with various projects many of them from hell sound so

[3:07:03] Voice 11: uh last week we signed off a joint project with capitol university to do research on the long bay

[3:07:10] Voice 11: wetland reserve on january and that was all thanks to the funding received from the federal government

[3:07:16] Voice 11: uh we held an annual joint executive committee uh slash islands trust consumers board liaison

[3:07:24] Voice 11: meeting we meet with the islands trust executive once a year we had a good discussion um between

[3:07:31] Voice 11: the two islands trust structures and how better to coordinate more closely we also include

[3:07:37] Voice 11: discussion around how we can advocate together around fallow deer which is a serious problem

[3:07:42] Voice 11: along with southern gulf islands um and we're having an upcoming sandy beach visit

[3:07:50] Voice 11: on keats which is one of our latest reserves um that we spoke about earlier and we've already

[3:07:57] Voice 11: talked about our three-year plan and i think that's where i'm leaving that one okay unless

[3:08:04] Voice 11: trustees go ahead i just

[3:08:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to add something about something we talked about earlier because

[3:08:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): because it'll probably end up affecting the conservancy.

[3:08:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): So remember we were talking earlier

[3:08:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): about the announcement for the biosphere?

[3:08:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[3:08:17] Voice 12: They

[3:08:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): announced four years, $926,000 for eco...

[3:08:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): What is it?

[3:08:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Where was I?

[3:08:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): I saw it.

[3:08:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): It was a specific,

[3:08:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): increased biodiversity conservation efforts,

[3:08:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): which just plays right into all the work

[3:08:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): and stuff that the conservancy is doing.

[3:08:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): four years uh 926 000 dollars so that's what it was the biosphere was awarded today by

[3:08:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's excellent the federal government just

[3:08:45] Voice 11: that's

[3:08:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the package of winds

[3:08:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's

[3:08:50] Voice 11: terrific yes very good okay thank you very much and um we'll move on now

[3:08:57] Voice 11: uh 13.2 applications report uh 287 starting on page 287 are the questions for the planner about

[3:09:03] Voice 11: the outstanding applications or the ones that are on this list from trustees

[3:09:13] Voice 11: no no and that's one of them we were dealing with today so that's uh on here and i'll show

[3:09:26] Voice 11: up later okay so if you want to see what applications are in front of the uh staff and

[3:09:35] Voice 11: And LTC, they're on that list, applications report.

[3:09:39] Voice 11: Going on then, hearing no questions to 13.3.

[3:09:42] Voice 11: It's our expense report, page 292.

[3:09:45] Voice 11: Are there any questions or clarifications from staff?

[3:09:53] Voice 11: This is invoices posted to the end of June 2022.

[3:09:57] Voice 11: Kind of getting going with consulting and things like that.

[3:10:01] Voice 11: I'm not hearing any questions from trustees.

[3:10:04] Voice 11: Are you okay if I move on?

[3:10:06] Voice 11: and then 293 this is just our policies and the standing resolutions this is more for

[3:10:12] Voice 11: uh reference during the meeting so unless anybody has anything to bring up no okay i'm moving

[3:10:18] Voice 11: quickly now through kind

[3:10:20] Trustee Fast (probable): of topics that we want to make sure that we don't miss at any local trust

[3:10:24] Trustee Fast (probable): committee meeting uh first nations activities is 13.5 i just wanted to point out that in the

[3:10:30] Trustee Fast (probable): information items down

[3:10:31] Voice 11: below uh 15.5 there's a press release about um uh partners and stakeholders

[3:10:39] Voice 11: identified for engagement during seashell uh negotiations so uh there's information there

[3:10:46] Trustee Fast (probable): uh dan well

[3:10:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): now that you bring that up and i think i flagged this result we aren't on the list

[3:10:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh with the she-shell nation um and we are clearly in there i think it's pronounced sepo

[3:11:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): The form of the areas islands are in it, and I think someone should flag that for both the Islanders and for the the provincial government that we're not in the consult consultation group.

[3:11:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): They just missed it. They missed us. So can

[3:11:19] Trustee Fast (probable): we be added?

[3:11:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Do you need a motion for that effect? That'd be helpful.

[3:11:22] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah i

[3:11:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): move that the uh uh local trust committee requests staff to contact the provincial government

[3:11:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): regarding the stakeholders for engagement during she-shell negotiations to see that the island's

[3:11:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust be added as a staple thank

[3:11:46] Voice 11: you i see it seconded thank you uh anymore just how did you

[3:11:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): do with that i went slowly um

[3:11:53] Voice 2: i'll read it back that the local trust committee requests staff to

[3:11:58] Voice 2: contact provincial government regarding the stakeholders for engagement during the seashell

[3:12:03] Voice 2: negotiations to see that the island's trust be added as a stakeholder that's it

[3:12:08] Voice 2: very good thank

[3:12:08] Voice 2: you and i've got a motion moved and seconded

[3:12:11] Trustee Fast (probable): any more discussion all in favor thank you

[3:12:14] Trustee Fast (probable): i think you mentioned something too there about that the islanders should also be aware

[3:12:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Do you have Thurman v. Islanders on?

[3:12:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, yeah.

[3:12:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, okay, so you'll let them know.

[3:12:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): I will let them know.

[3:12:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you.

[3:12:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): This came in when I was on vacation.

[3:12:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right.

[3:12:26] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[3:12:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): saw it and I recognized that I went through the list

[3:12:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we weren't on it for some reason.

[3:12:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right.

[3:12:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): The SCRD is, naturally, and so is the town of Sechelt

[3:12:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): and all that, but those Islanders often,

[3:12:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): although they're part of the regional district,

[3:12:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): they identify also with us.

[3:12:43] Voice 10: Yeah.

[3:12:45] Voice 10: No, this is good.

[3:12:46] Voice 10: And thank you very much.

[3:12:48] Voice 10: And any other First Nations activities that

[3:12:51] Trustee Fast (probable): we have not talked about already, we've talked about a bunch of them during the meeting. Okay, thank you. I'm going to put a checkmark there. 13.6 climate change mitigation and adaptation.

[3:13:00] Trustee Fast (probable): adaptation. If you look at 15.1, I've added the climate projections report for the Islands Trust

[3:13:07] Trustee Fast (probable): area back in as an information item, just so people can click that link and see what's

[3:13:13] Trustee Fast (probable): likely coming in terms of hotter,

[3:13:14] Voice 11: drier summers, in terms of sea level rise, and those predictions

[3:13:20] Voice 11: are from a couple of years ago, and everything seems to be changing fast in terms of

[3:13:28] Voice 11: of Pakistan and the melting Greenland sheet and ice sheet

[3:13:31] Voice 11: and all these things.

[3:13:32] Voice 11: But it's there for references.

[3:13:36] Trustee Fast (probable): There's another one that's good

[3:13:37] Trustee Fast (probable): and that's the Metro Vancouver one

[3:13:40] Trustee Fast (probable): because it extends into Housam a little bit.

[3:13:42] Trustee Fast (probable): So if you want to look at climate projections

[3:13:46] Trustee Fast (probable): from another

[3:13:46] Voice 10: point of view,

[3:13:47] Voice 10: because they don't think so much,

[3:13:49] Voice 10: it's not so island oriented,

[3:13:51] Voice 10: but it

[3:13:51] Voice 10: does have more focus on Housam, I

[3:13:55] Voice 11: think.

[3:13:57] Voice 11: And anything else about climate change mitigation adaptation?

[3:14:02] Voice 10: Not for now. I think it fits into a

[3:14:04] Voice 10: bunch of the work you're doing on the official community plan and land use bylaw. That's great.

[3:14:08] Voice 10: Local trust committee web page. You guys seem to work by emails or anything. We just leave it on

[3:14:13] Voice 10: here so we can talk about it if needed. Should we post anything there like the info for candidates

[3:14:20] Voice 10: dates or whatever it's in here okay leave

[3:14:24] Voice 11: it alone okay

[3:14:24] Voice 10: top priorities and projects 14.1 and 14.2

[3:14:28] Voice 10: we talked about this already and made a bunch of motions so anything further on these no okay

[3:14:35] Voice 10: then

[3:14:35] Trustee Fast (probable): we're going on the other things in the information items uh are the stewardship awards

[3:14:41] Voice 11: which um islands trust now does once every four years right and

[3:14:48] Voice 10: uh so the winners are there and

[3:14:49] Voice 10: And anybody can find out about that on page 300.

[3:14:57] Voice 10: And then Conservancy

[3:14:59] Voice 11: Current Campaigns, there's a page there.

[3:15:02] Voice 11: And if anybody has donations they want to make, that would help.

[3:15:07] Voice 11: They can.

[3:15:08] Voice 11: Help your chair, your local trust, Conservancy City, beside me here.

[3:15:12] Voice 11: And everybody, because properties that are conserved are protected throughout time.

[3:15:18] Trustee Fast (probable): and

[3:15:19] Voice 11: uh resources

[3:15:20] Trustee Fast (probable): for candidates in the election are there from the islands trust uh point of view

[3:15:25] Trustee Fast (probable): if you're interested for running for a trustee or you know somebody who think you think would

[3:15:28] Trustee Fast (probable): be a good one uh then you can have a link there to forward to them um we talked about 15.5

[3:15:35] Trustee Fast (probable): one thing resource

[3:15:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): for candidates of course in this global trust area it's the scrd that

[3:15:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): manages those and if you go to the scrd and just just google scrd elections and there's

[3:15:47] There's

[3:15:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): a website, it'll tell you everything you need to know.

[3:15:49] Voice 10: Yeah,

[3:15:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): or

[3:15:50] Voice 10: you can click on this one

[3:15:51] Voice 10: and

[3:15:52] Voice 11: it'll have a link to the SDRV one,

[3:15:54] Voice 11: either way.

[3:15:55] Voice 11: So that's fine.

[3:15:56] Voice 11: Great, good point.

[3:15:57] Voice 11: And then, letter to the next LTC.

[3:16:04] Voice 11: Do we want to, let's not worry about it.

[3:16:07] Voice 11: Okay, we'll think of something.

[3:16:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, and then 16.2,

[3:16:13] Trustee Fast (probable): these are the next upcoming meetings.

[3:16:15] Trustee Fast (probable): November 17th is the next regular meeting of this.

[3:16:19] Trustee Fast (probable): gathering. And this will be at the John Braithwaite Center in North Van on West 1st Street. And then what we've been talking about today is that we've got a virtual community engagement session for the Gambier OCP LUB, Wednesday, September 14. If you know anybody who wanted to be here today, for the meeting that's following this or who might be

[3:16:45] Voice 10: wanting to

[3:16:47] Voice 11: give more input or anything, that's another one.

[3:16:48] Voice 11: opportunity and then uh 16.3 special meeting to hold a community

[3:16:55] Trustee Fast (probable): uh information meeting regarding

[3:16:58] Trustee Fast (probable): the keats shoreline project and that'll be on zoom on thursday september 15th

[3:17:04] Voice 10: and with that

[3:17:07] Voice 10: i'm going to close this meeting because we've got to go into a

[3:17:09] Trustee Fast (probable): closed meeting so we have to pass

[3:17:12] Trustee Fast (probable): under the laws of british columbia there are some things that we have to discuss in without the

[3:17:17] Trustee Fast (probable): public present and

[3:17:19] Voice 11: uh to do that we have to uh close the meeting and we have to read this and

[3:17:24] Voice 11: pass this motion here we'd like to move but we close the meeting go ahead so much um i moved

[3:17:30] Voice 11: up meaning be close to the public in accordance with the community charter to part four to three

[3:17:35] Voice 11: s zero nine one a and d for the person considering a appointment board of various members and b

[3:17:42] Voice 11: the D adoption of in-camera meeting

[3:17:46] Voice 11: as dated October 4th, 14th, 2021,

[3:17:49] Voice 11: that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[3:17:52] Voice 11: So it's very short.

[3:17:53] Voice 11: Take a break, everybody.

[3:17:54] Voice 11: It's very short.

[3:17:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, I wondered if we could move.

[3:17:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[3:17:57] Voice 11: Do you guys want to hang out here, look at the maps?

[3:18:00] Voice 11: We can just go in there.

[3:18:02] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:18:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Why don't we go in there, so we're-

[3:18:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right.

[3:18:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): So

[3:18:05] Voice 10: I'm going to end this recording.

[3:18:08] Voice 10: I'll just pause the recording.

[3:18:10] Voice 10: uh one second here yes can

[3:18:13] Voice 7: i just ask you very very much i know obviously we're by and by

[3:18:17] Voice 7: my time just a quick clarification if i may um on page 11 of the

[3:18:24] Voice 7: of the uh

[3:18:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): gander island local trust committee minutes regular meeting

[3:18:28] Voice 11: hi everybody i'm sue ellen fast and i won't be chairing this meeting i just wanted to report

[3:18:35] Voice 11: from our in-camera meeting of the LTC

[3:18:38] Voice 11: that the local trust committee adopted the minutes,

[3:18:43] Voice 11: the in

[3:18:43] Trustee Fast (probable): -camera minutes,

[3:18:44] Trustee Fast (probable): the no public minutes dated October 14th, 2021.

[3:18:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Now I'm sure you're all thrilled with that,

[3:18:52] Voice 10: but I need to

[3:18:53] Trustee Fast (probable): tell you for transparency,

[3:18:54] Trustee Fast (probable): I have just risen and reported.

[3:18:56] Trustee Fast (probable): And now I'm going to turn it back over to Sharon.

[3:19:01] Voice 11: Take it away, Sharon.

[3:19:02] Voice 11: Okay, well, welcome everybody. Thank you for taking your Thursday afternoons to come and sit inside.

[3:19:10] Voice 11: It's most appreciated, and we really encourage you to fill out the slips on the table there,

[3:19:18] Voice 11: because you could win prizes that could be a BC Ferries gift card.

[3:19:25] Voice 11: So, I've

[3:19:26] Voice 12: sought after those.

[3:19:28] Voice 11: are.

[3:19:30] Voice 12: So we

[3:19:32] Voice 11: really appreciate you coming out today. My name is Sharon Hosborough. I'm the

[3:19:36] Voice 11: consultant that has been hired to coordinate the community engagement for the updated

[3:19:44] Voice 11: Columbia Island OCP community plan and the land use bylaw, which is a targeted review

[3:19:50] Voice 11: View project. So welcome, everybody. So today's agenda, basically, I just want to welcome

[3:20:00] Voice 11: you all here. We have with us Kate Louise Stamford, Sue Ellen Fast, and Dan Rogers,

[3:20:12] Voice 11: who are elected officials for Islands Trust. And we have staff members here from Islands

[3:20:18] Voice 11: Islands Trust of Marlis, who I'm working with to coordinate this project, and we have Heather

[3:20:25] Voice 11: Cowart as well, the manager of regional planning.

[3:20:28] Voice 10: And we have Director Mark Hiltz is at the back,

[3:20:31] Voice 11: regional district director.

[3:20:32] Voice 11: Okay, so anyway, so and like I say, please feel free to reach out to any of us.

[3:20:41] Voice 11: You would have received this mail out, hopefully you've all received this, and we invite

[3:20:48] Voice 11: you to reach out and to ask any questions and provide comments um so basically um today we're

[3:20:56] Voice 11: just here to talk about to gather input from you um on the ocp process and where it's currently at

[3:21:05] Voice 11: so that we can update it and and make it more relevant to respond to today's priorities um

[3:21:15] Voice 11: There's also on our website that we've got a project page which has a lot of the resources

[3:21:21] Voice 11: that are available here to learn more about the OCP process and the land use planning

[3:21:26] Voice 11: process.

[3:21:29] Voice 11: We also have fact sheets along with discussion papers on forest protection and shoreline

[3:21:38] Voice 11: protection.

[3:21:38] Voice 11: and we're going to do a question and answers after my presentation and then we'll have an open house

[3:21:45] Voice 11: so so i just want to acknowledge that we're um today on the traditional territories of the

[3:21:53] Voice 11: people specifically the squamish nations and part of the our engagement is to also reach out and to

[3:22:01] Voice 11: respond to um reconciliation and to look at ways that we can incorporate and acknowledge first

[3:22:07] Voice 11: Nations history within the OCP and land use bylaw. So just to give you an overview of the Gambier

[3:22:16] Voice 11: Island review project work so far, this project has been going on since 2015 and 2017. There was

[3:22:26] Voice 11: an OCP review and there was a survey and there was a number of technical documents that were created

[3:22:35] Voice 11: And so from there, this was more of an overview of the whole OCP, whereas where we're at today is more of the targeted review.

[3:22:45] Voice 11: So between 2018 and 2020, the project was put on hold due to staffing resource issues with COVID, and we couldn't really do a consultation during that period.

[3:22:59] Voice 11: but here we are 2021 the project was it commenced again with a focus on reviewing the OTP

[3:23:08] Voice 11: and the land use bylaw specifically in targeted areas and so we've gone through phase one which

[3:23:17] Voice 11: was the project initiation and early outreach with First Nations and establishing working

[3:23:23] Voice 11: working groups and developing an engagement planning framework.

[3:23:29] Voice 11: So since then, we're basically at phase two now and we've created community maps

[3:23:35] Voice 11: and physical mapping of Gambia and we've put some maps up here to help

[3:23:41] Voice 11: trigger discussion around key issues that you may see on Gambia.

[3:23:47] Voice 11: I've talked about the draft discussion papers and facial planning services being

[3:23:52] Voice 11: how to coordinate the community outreach and engagement. So here we are today and we want

[3:24:00] Voice 11: to engage with you and get your feedback. So I've basically just talked about the maps. So

[3:24:07] Voice 11: we've got a community engagement plan that's posted to the project website. We've sent the

[3:24:15] Voice 11: mail out and so basically we've we've completed most of the elements now we're just going through

[3:24:22] Voice 11: the engagement so so essentially this phase two is where we're at and uh so once we've completed

[3:24:32] Voice 11: the uh consultation we'll be looking at making recommendations the changes to the and drafting

[3:24:38] Voice 11: acting bylaws. And that will come in the stage three, which will be in late this winter and

[3:24:47] Voice 11: early next year, 2023. So basically, what we're looking at doing is to update and to target

[3:24:58] Voice 11: specific areas. And so we're going to be looking at the language and policies around First Nations

[3:25:04] Voice 11: perspectives looking at policy and schedules to update regarding land and marine uses

[3:25:12] Voice 11: and designations including new and new or amended designations so basically looking at what the

[3:25:20] Voice 11: the current land use bylaws is and ways that we can tweak that to achieve the local trust

[3:25:28] Voice 11: objectives. We'll be looking at heritage conservation areas to protect archaeological and cultural sites and basically for the Islands Trust they're looking to develop advocacy policies on those lands that are controlled by the province.

[3:25:48] Voice 11: So for example, forestry lands that that's under provincial jurisdiction.

[3:25:54] Voice 11: So, you know, we'll be looking at technical amendments, which could include like development

[3:25:59] Voice 11: permit areas, looking at ways to regulate short-line development, changing docks and

[3:26:06] Voice 11: things of that nature.

[3:26:09] Voice 11: Looking at developing pilot model OCP bylaws in terms of style and structure.

[3:26:17] Voice 11: So right now, the Islas Trust, they're looking to standardize OCPs across the board so there's some consistency and harmonization between policies generally.

[3:26:29] Voice 11: And then there's, and for those, I'm new to Gambia, but I am so pleased to be here. It's such a fabulous place.

[3:26:38] Voice 11: place. And I'm not, I mean, somebody here, maybe you're from Cotton Bay box, and this was

[3:26:45] Voice 11: highlighted to be excluded from the OCP. So, you know, maybe that's a conversation that we can have

[3:26:52] Voice 11: through this process too. So just to give you an overview of the OCP regulatory framework,

[3:26:59] Voice 11: the Islands Trust has brought powers through the Islands Trust Act, the Local Government Act,

[3:27:07] Voice 11: and Islands Trust Policy Statement, which has been updated.

[3:27:12] Voice 11: So these policies, these pieces of legislation feed into the OCP.

[3:27:18] Voice 11: And so through this, we want to incorporate those objectives

[3:27:23] Voice 11: and feed that into the land use bylaw, which reflects the OCP.

[3:27:31] Voice 11: So basically, we're here today to talk about the four targeted areas for the zoo,

[3:27:38] Voice 11: which is the forest ecosystem protection, archaeological and cultural site protection,

[3:27:45] Voice 11: shoreline protection and to ensure access to public docks and as I mentioned earlier there's

[3:27:54] Voice 11: multiple jurisdictions within these areas so the Islands Trust are looking at ways that they can

[3:28:02] Voice 11: have more impact through its policy development to achieve those goals of conservation and to

[3:28:10] Voice 11: look at ways to develop in tune with nature essentially and to also protect the ecological

[3:28:19] Voice 11: integrity of the island essentially. So I talked a little bit about educational opportunities

[3:28:27] Voice 11: is um discussion papers are available online you can go to the project website um through the

[3:28:35] Voice 11: islands trust and you can access the discussion papers there's fact sheets which is more of a

[3:28:42] Voice 11: summary um so i think that these are a good way to get a good understanding of what the areas

[3:28:51] Voice 11: areas of influence that the Islands Trust has over these areas and what kind of advocacy

[3:28:57] Voice 11: policies could be developed. For example, right now I've heard that there's woodlot

[3:29:06] Voice 11: licenses on the island. These are considered to be wilderness conservation and you'll see

[3:29:12] Voice 11: it on one of the maps over there. That's the zoning designation. Is that an effective way

[3:29:17] Voice 11: way to control these lands, you know, because right now their licenses are on hold and until

[3:29:28] Voice 11: management plans are developed, the Crown, because they're Crown lands, the province

[3:29:34] Voice 11: has jurisdiction over those lands and through consultation with the Squamish nations and

[3:29:42] Voice 11: and Islands Trust trustees,

[3:29:45] Voice 11: there's ways that you can have input

[3:29:49] Voice 11: into future land use in those areas.

[3:29:53] Voice 11: And similarly with the shoreline protection as well,

[3:29:57] Voice 11: the intertidal.

[3:30:00] Voice 11: area is multi-jurisdictional and so any kind of development would have to have comments from the

[3:30:09] Voice 11: province as well as local first nations so it's important to recognize that these areas crime

[3:30:18] Voice 11: lines are multi-jurisdictional and so it requires deep consultation on many fronts so for the

[3:30:28] Voice 11: Islands Trust the one of the tools that is available are development permit areas and

[3:30:34] Voice 11: is this a way to protect those areas and this is where your input is valuable so this map um

[3:30:45] Voice 11: okay this particular map it shows the relationship between jurisdiction and protected areas

[3:30:53] Voice 11: And unfortunately, this particular map is not there, but what it shows is the protected areas,

[3:31:01] Voice 11: park and nature reserves, marine protected areas, rockfish conservation areas and glass sponge reef conservation areas.

[3:31:11] Voice 11: So all these areas have been identified and there is legislation around protection of these lands at the provincial level.

[3:31:21] Voice 11: and so you know there's a way that these can be reflected um within the ocp so that could be a way

[3:31:29] Voice 11: to update the ocp and then the third uh this the middle column talks about prophecy boundaries

[3:31:36] Voice 11: and you will see that a large portion of the island is designated as crown provincial and then

[3:31:43] Voice 11: And then the light blue area is municipal and it's a very small area.

[3:31:50] Voice 11: And then the pink, of course, is private lands.

[3:31:53] Voice 11: And those private lands are, you know, you can see how much of the shoreline is controlled by private ownership.

[3:32:03] Voice 11: ship but having said that there's there's lands around here that are on streams that have

[3:32:13] Voice 11: deep piece but 30 meter setback areas and are regulated through the right bearing area protection

[3:32:20] Voice 11: regulation and the sphere as well so these areas that are regulated right now but a different

[3:32:28] Voice 11: setback than shoreline which is 15 meter setback there's a blanket development permit across the

[3:32:37] Voice 11: entire island and so that's one of the things that we can look at through this process is that an

[3:32:44] Voice 11: effective uh policy um and then the final column talks about crime mantenance and areas they

[3:32:53] Voice 11: highlight that the province is highlighted for cultural significance in the northern

[3:33:01] Voice 11: north eastern portion and then then there's the um recreational reserve and then there's the

[3:33:11] Voice 11: watershed reserves so i'll leave this map up here because i think it's an important map after the

[3:33:19] Voice 11: presentation then you can go and look at it in more detail so forest protection options talked

[3:33:28] Voice 11: about this briefly and certainly should development permit areas for private property use advocacy

[3:33:35] Voice 11: for crime lands as zoning has no effect over provincial ministry plans and agricultural land

[3:33:42] Voice 11: reserves for the protection of natural environment. Advocacy policies are a key

[3:33:48] Voice 11: way for protection and to highlight the importance of conservation for forest lands.

[3:33:57] Voice 11: Again part of the engagement is to reach out to Islands Trust, it's one of the policies that

[3:34:04] Voice 11: Ireland's trust supports and through UNDREP municipalities are required to

[3:34:15] Voice 11: communicate and to commit to listening and learning from First Nations and to

[3:34:24] Voice 11: recognize the history and the connection to the land. So through this process we are reaching out

[3:34:32] Voice 11: to the Squamish First Nations specifically and everything that we develop through Islands Trust

[3:34:41] Voice 11: is circulated to the Squamish First Nations for input. So this is the other area that we're

[3:34:53] Voice 11: targeting our review is for archaeological and cultural site protection and primarily this is

[3:34:59] Voice 11: because the islands have a high concentration of archaeological values in the province.

[3:35:05] Voice 11: It's estimated 80 percent of the north archaeological sites are within 20 meters

[3:35:09] Voice 11: of a natural boundary of the sea. And so this is why advocacy policies are important to

[3:35:17] Voice 11: look at ways to establish heritage conservation areas. So again, looking at the OCP,

[3:35:25] Voice 11: how to identify and incorporate some of these areas in OCP may be used to conserve natural

[3:35:37] Voice 11: landscapes or home-developed lands that are deemed important for conservation, looking

[3:35:45] Voice 11: at adjacent proximity to protected heritage property.

[3:35:49] Voice 11: property, with respect to the site, with heritage value or character that's related to human

[3:35:56] Voice 11: occupation.

[3:35:58] Voice 11: For example, you know, just anecdotally I've heard that some of the forest lands have had

[3:36:06] Voice 11: archaeological finds.

[3:36:08] Voice 11: Those kinds of things are important to First Nations and so recognising that some of these

[3:36:14] Voice 11: these areas are important to cultural, you know, guardians, and I'm working with First Nations to

[3:36:23] Voice 11: bring out, you know, guardians and elders to help talk about some of these areas and to,

[3:36:32] Voice 11: you know, listen to the stories that they tell about how this land used to be used by First

[3:36:39] Voice 11: nations. I come from Cowichan Valley so one of the things that we do is we communicate our projects

[3:36:46] Voice 11: through a process where we bring out guidance to talk about areas that they have identified

[3:36:56] Voice 11: as significant to their fishing and agriculture so you know it's recognizing these areas so that

[3:37:04] Voice 11: that you can think, okay, is this a good way

[3:37:07] Voice 11: to develop this area and recognizing the value

[3:37:10] Voice 11: that it may have had previously to the First Nations.

[3:37:16] Voice 11: So this picture is up on the wall.

[3:37:19] Voice 11: It talks about the shoreline

[3:37:21] Voice 11: and the different types of shorelines on Gambia.

[3:37:26] Voice 11: Gambia is quite special in that there's a variety

[3:37:31] Voice 11: to the different um shorelines and so recognizing that it's quite hard to develop um because of how

[3:37:41] Voice 11: rugged and rocky that the shoreline is and then there's other pockets that are you know there's

[3:37:47] Voice 11: more dense uh population because the it's more of a softer uh beach environment so this this is

[3:37:56] Voice 11: fundamental to how do we protect the shoreline that we have. So what are the tools to help us

[3:38:05] Voice 11: protect shorelines? Well again one of the main ways is through development permit areas but it's

[3:38:14] Voice 11: also to recognize that looking at the shoreline and looking at it from a site adaptive planning

[3:38:21] Voice 11: standpoint, because there's ways that you can develop, you can naturalize, you know,

[3:38:27] Voice 11: through beach naturalization, taking a green shaw's approach to protection to limit erosion

[3:38:35] Voice 11: is really important.

[3:38:37] Voice 11: So there's ways that you can develop, it's just recognizing how to develop and what is

[3:38:44] Voice 11: appropriate for the particular shaw land.

[3:38:48] Voice 11: So what's the role of government?

[3:38:50] Voice 11: Well, it's very complex when you look at the shoreline, there's multiple levels of government and you'll see from the top that the upland is usually through local government and then as you go further out into the intertidal area, then it becomes more jurisdictional.

[3:39:17] Voice 11: and it's just important recognizing what the setback requirements are and and if you know if

[3:39:26] Voice 11: you need to be developing um beyond or within a setback area then it would trigger a development

[3:39:35] Voice 11: variance permit and is that appropriate um maybe it's a constrained site what are the options

[3:39:42] Voice 11: And looking at site adaptive planning is a way to, you know, look at your building on

[3:39:50] Voice 11: board to figure out what is the most appropriate way to develop a site.

[3:39:54] Voice 11: We're not advocating to go for development variance permits, but in some circumstances

[3:39:59] Voice 11: you may have a building that's been there for 30, 40 years and it was built before regulation

[3:40:05] Voice 11: and you want to put an addition on.

[3:40:07] Voice 11: What things do you need to do?

[3:40:09] Voice 11: So I would encourage you, if you're living on land, to look at Green Shoals, which is a non-profit organisation that talks about how to develop with the environment in mind.

[3:40:24] Voice 11: Looking at your section and using appropriate ways to protect your shoreline from erosion, but not hard armoury because that has impacts for sea level rise.

[3:40:38] Voice 11: I would always encourage you to work with qualified professionals if you're doing any work on a shoreline.

[3:40:46] Voice 11: You'll need a marine habitat assessment and I would strongly recommend talking to qualified professionals and planners before you start to do any kind of construction or disturbing the shoreline.

[3:41:07] Voice 11: And also one of the advantages of using a green shelf approach is that if you do need

[3:41:16] Voice 11: any kind of permitting through the province or through the Islands Trust, there's a process

[3:41:21] Voice 11: now to fast track applications for shoreline projects and this is looking at ways that

[3:41:29] Voice 11: beaches are being naturalized and if you're replacing a retaining wall or and you're taking

[3:41:36] Voice 11: you know you're trying to rebuild something looking at ways that you can integrate kinetic

[3:41:43] Voice 11: plantings and beach nourishment is a way that you can improve your um applications to for approvals

[3:41:52] Voice 11: And I know this firsthand just through my work with prime on leases is that if you need to get any kind of permit from the province, you can go through a fast track where you're not waiting two to four years for an application to be processed.

[3:42:12] Voice 11: You're only waiting years, six months.

[3:42:14] Voice 11: So, shoreline protection measures available to the local trust committees.

[3:42:24] Voice 11: Again, this just goes through different levels of protection and development permits is the

[3:42:35] Voice 11: most favoured way and then we just go down the spectrum to medium level protection which

[3:42:44] Voice 11: is to update policy directions um and then for low level protection it's more advocacy

[3:42:52] Voice 11: community outreach education and voluntary stewardship programs so basically where the

[3:43:01] Voice 11: trust the island's trust has jurisdiction it would be with the development permit areas

[3:43:06] Voice 11: otherwise it's more of an advocacy role and just developing regulations and policies to encourage

[3:43:14] Voice 11: the types of development that are appropriate so this is the last the last area basically is

[3:43:25] Voice 11: ensure access to public docks this is one of the target areas for the Irish Trust for the OCP

[3:43:34] Voice 11: land use bylaw is to consider policies and regulatory to encourage protection of shoreline

[3:43:41] Voice 11: systems and public use of community docks. So basically, this is looking at how can we protect

[3:43:47] Voice 11: access to community docks that already exist on Gambia and looking to capitalize on existing

[3:43:58] Voice 11: infrastructure and improve what's already there rather than start to build new structures.

[3:44:06] Voice 11: It's better to make the best of what you've got, otherwise you're going to be developing

[3:44:15] Voice 11: areas that have not previously been developed.

[3:44:19] Voice 11: And then, you know, that's the community docks.

[3:44:23] Voice 11: There's also the private docks where homeowners, you know, need that access to access their

[3:44:30] Voice 11: properties because it's water access only.

[3:44:32] Voice 11: only. And so how do you manage private mortgages? Is it appropriate for everybody to have their

[3:44:40] Voice 11: own dock or is there an opportunity to share docks? That way you can have a larger dock

[3:44:47] Voice 11: facility rather than everybody have their own dock. So, you know, it's just more efficient

[3:44:54] Voice 11: way to address access is to potentially share a dog with your neighbor and have an agreement

[3:45:04] Voice 11: in place that's legally binding to ensure that the ride transfers with the property

[3:45:10] Voice 11: and and everybody has access in perpetuity um so basically the control who obtains a

[3:45:19] Voice 11: 10 year old before shop so basically that that's what i'm talking about is looking at

[3:45:24] Voice 11: private mortgages and uh appropriate size of private mortgage you know do you need to have

[3:45:32] Voice 11: a 60-foot yacht at the end of your dock or do you just need it for you know just the transportation

[3:45:39] Voice 11: just to have like a 34 or whatever size it is you size the dock according to what you need rather

[3:45:45] Voice 11: rather than build a larger structure that you may not need.

[3:45:54] Voice 11: And so one of the objectives of this process

[3:45:58] Voice 11: is to establish designated areas for public docks.

[3:46:02] Voice 11: And Islands Trust have been very instrumental

[3:46:09] Voice 11: in forwarding letters

[3:46:11] Voice 11: to the Sunshine Coast Regional District

[3:46:14] Voice 11: request in support to ensure long-term service delivery of the New Brighton dock.

[3:46:21] Voice 11: So this is a way that the Islands Trust have shown how to advocate for services for people on the island.

[3:46:30] Voice 11: And so, you know, that is an important connection point for everybody on Gambia.

[3:46:38] Voice 11: and so this is one of the things that we can talk about today is how what's the best thing

[3:46:46] Voice 11: best way to go about that and what else would you like to see the island trust committee do

[3:46:52] Voice 11: to strengthen that access point so just to recap um next meetings um we have a zoom meeting uh

[3:47:03] Voice 11: workshop on september 14th basically it's another opportunity to gather input from

[3:47:08] Voice 11: from residents on gambia and then there's two more working group meetings that are scheduled

[3:47:15] Voice 11: um one for no monday september 26th and october 24th and i think we do have a person here from

[3:47:26] Voice 11: several several okay um yeah so reach out to uh members of the working group meeting

[3:47:33] Voice 11: um if you've got comments and other than that i'd like to thank you all for your attention

[3:47:39] Voice 11: um it's beautiful there and the working group members can you identify them

[3:47:46] Voice 10: the ones that are

[3:47:47] Voice 10: here linda um

[3:47:49] Voice 11: julie you know julie very good and there's what three others yeah there's um

[3:47:58] Voice 11: thank you okay so um that's all from me um this is an opportunity if you've got questions

[3:48:16] Voice 11: And then we want to turn it over for an open house, like a World Café kind of thing.

[3:48:22] Voice 11: But if there's questions, we can take those in the meantime.

[3:48:28] Voice 11: Woodlot.

[3:48:29] Voice 13: All right. Is it expanding? Is Billy Rico's old woodlot, has it expanded?

[3:48:37] Voice 13: the water's going in towards more of a, well, I wouldn't say east, north, south, and really

[3:48:52] Voice 13: the effect, are they logging everything? First row, second row, I have second row, so are

[3:49:00] Voice 13: are they logging everything and do i have any savings

[3:49:07] Voice 12: who's in the woodwork

[3:49:17] Voice 13: right is it expands i don't worry it expands to it i don't know the edge

[3:49:24] Voice 13: Are the loggers expanding? Are they going towards the lakes? Are they going north?

[3:49:33] Voice 13: There's not many logs up there. You've got hemlocks, some firs, cedars, but you're tackling...

[3:49:45] Voice 13: Are you approaching south to our houses, our bellies, our lot?

[3:49:53] Voice 12: Yeah.

[3:49:55] Voice 12: So 39 is

[3:50:03] Voice 11: the woodlot, right?

[3:50:05] Voice 11: 39 is this area up right here.

[3:50:09] Voice 11: It hasn't expanded, but they continue to have activities, and right now the activities are closer.

[3:50:15] Voice 11: closer

[3:50:15] Voice 12: to the bottom

[3:50:20] Voice 11: line right here and

[3:50:23] Voice 13: that's it

[3:50:24] Voice 13: okay i i'm here i'm right here why do we move

[3:50:31] Voice 13: So this is a natural thing for the fish that you should have.

[3:50:39] Voice 13: I

[3:50:40] Voice 11: do understand your concerns.

[3:50:42] Voice 11: And we can talk about this for like the whole evening.

[3:50:47] Voice 11: But this actually

[3:50:48] Voice 11: isn't part of the official community plan discussion.

[3:50:53] Voice 11: discussion. This exists, they have a license for it. And we

[3:50:57] Voice 11: can talk about why they're coming closer to the area. But

[3:51:02] Voice 11: there I can also give you their management plan, which will show

[3:51:06] me where

[3:51:09] frustration, but that is part of the conversation.

[3:51:15] Voice 11: Like to talk

[3:51:16] Voice 11: about forestry so i

[3:51:19] Voice 13: know the forestry is provincial yes

[3:51:22] Voice 13: i know

[3:51:25] they

[3:51:28] Voice 13: destroy they do not select and they don't give them other people we

[3:51:40] Voice 11: can talk about forestry

[3:51:42] Voice 11: as a whole across the island and not specifically well if

[3:51:46] Voice 11: you want to let's because this is something

[3:51:49] Voice 11: for everybody yeah

[3:51:50] Voice 12: okay can i can say something from there um last year i did sorry my name's

[3:51:57] but i did extensive research regarding

[3:52:08] regarding the woodlots and going to your point Sarah, I was assured by my power in doing the work for the woodlots

[3:52:18] they weren't going to go over Whispering Creek and to possibly knock

[3:52:24] Voice 12: or log the

[3:52:27] I

[3:52:31] Voice 13: contacted at least 20 or 30 private run organisations to see if that woodlot

[3:52:40] Voice 13: could be taken out of the province, taken away

[3:52:44] Voice 12: from the province, and put in the

[3:52:47] Voice 13: hands of a private organisation.

[3:52:51] Voice 13: And all of them said no, it's not possible.

[3:52:54] Voice 13: Now, if we were to all get together as a community and raise, say, $50 million,

[3:53:00] Voice 12: and go to the

[3:53:00] Voice 12: province and say, we'd like to buy this land, we wouldn't be allowed to.

[3:53:16] I would like to

[3:53:18] Voice 11: finish

[3:53:24] Voice 12: here, I do understand that we have

[3:53:27] Voice 11: some conversations, we are talking

[3:53:30] Voice 11: about our first community plan which

[3:53:32] Voice 12: discusses lots

[3:53:33] Voice 11: more and i think

[3:53:34] Voice 11: what's important is we're

[3:53:36] Voice 11: so i think we need to move on but this is an important

[3:53:47] Voice 11: part of it

[3:53:48] Voice 11: can i get you to move aside on that particular conversation

[3:53:53] Voice 11: and we can move on to the other concerns

[3:53:57] Voice 11: about forestry okay

[3:54:01] Voice 11: So are there any other questions before we go on to do a quick Q&A and then we're just going to break out into small groups of five and we'll give questions and then you can work through the questions and move on the table.

[3:54:25] Voice 7: I just wanted to clarify one comment you made about the law that has been proposed in the centre of the island.

[3:54:31] Voice 7: with lots of problems, as you say, put on the wall, maybe clarify

[3:54:36] Voice 7: this. My understanding is that those permits are not up for

[3:54:41] Voice 7: for application any longer.

[3:54:46] Voice 7: Those results will not be developed.

[3:54:49] Voice 11: They're on hold.

[3:54:53] Voice 11: And I

[3:54:54] Voice 8: thought it was a good plan to develop them in the future

[3:54:58] Voice 8: should be sure that I have given back to

[3:55:01] Voice 11: them, although sometimes it's not in this order

[3:55:04] Voice 11: of this matter. And if they do come up

[3:55:11] Voice 8: or license them, if there are any sense of community

[3:55:15] Voice 8: consultation.

[3:55:18] Voice 7: That's a community consultation that didn't occur in 2013, but also a conservancy

[3:55:23] Voice 7: the threat and legal action in which we should review of flanwell i just wonder if we understand

[3:55:28] Voice 7: the history of this exactly there's been a lot of work to prevent further uh logging on gander

[3:55:34] Voice 7: out over the last 10 years a lot of it's long unnoticed and uh the current one lot

[3:55:40] Voice 7: it's understandable there's nothing that can be done you know a small group they tried to stop to

[3:55:45] Voice 7: for logging on the old roof along the spring creek and that's on hold as well

[3:55:52] Voice 7: so yeah forestry is a huge issue on gabriel it's probably the in my opinion the biggest issue that

[3:55:59] Voice 7: affects every community member here and every private property owner and uh it's something

[3:56:04] Voice 7: that that can be advocated for and and can be stopped if you're the nature that would like to

[3:56:11] Voice 7: stop logging any type of tree other than something that's sustainable i

[3:56:19] Voice 12: agree i agree exactly

[3:56:22] Voice 12: well i just have a question i noticed that there's some problems there's no um protection

[3:56:29] Voice 12: so i noticed in one of your maps up here right at the head

[3:56:38] Voice 13: of center phase there's that little

[3:56:45] Voice 12: on your map up there and show it point

[3:56:51] Voice 11: that out yeah

[3:56:52] Voice 12: um this little

[3:57:02] Voice 13: yes you're right yeah sorry

[3:57:15] Voice 13: here. This is, this is the head of a McDonald's.

[3:57:23] Voice 13: And you love this.

[3:57:24] Voice 13: Yeah, that's true. It's never been done here.

[3:57:31] Voice 12: Yes.

[3:57:32] Voice 11: So there's lines here that are indicated just like there's

[3:57:37] Voice 11: some lines in the West Bay area that show private, private

[3:57:41] Voice 11: private lots but most of them are dirty crap that is the largest okay so that's unfortunately how

[3:57:48] the data works okay

[3:57:50] Voice 12: so that's ground line enough okay sorry again

[3:58:00] Voice 13: okay

[3:58:04] Voice 11: so what i was planning on doing and is to break out into small groups and i have a series of

[3:58:12] Voice 11: questions and um what we'd like you to do is to go through the questions with a group and uh we

[3:58:20] Voice 11: can pull these tables and then arrange like five i'm just trying to get a head count here of how

[3:58:26] Voice 11: many people 30. so let's go six tables of uh five and that's um

[3:58:35] Voice 13: you will

[3:58:39] Voice 11: get a question and you can

[3:58:41] Voice 11: answer it how best you think and if you yeah yeah yeah

[3:58:47] Voice 11: random question but the

[3:58:49] Voice 2: thing is is what we

[3:58:50] Voice 11: would like you to do also because we've got some closing notes is to walk over to these mats and

[3:58:56] Voice 11: write down your

[3:58:57] Voice 3: thoughts on