Islands Trust Council community information meeting, September 6, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 10: anyway here we go and we seem to be broadcasting so welcome to the regular meeting agenda

[0:00:05] Voice 11: of the uh galliana local trust committee welcome everyone i'm a lot of people here today uh and uh

[0:00:12] Voice 11: i just want to start uh the meeting as as always with acknowledging that we're very privileged to

[0:00:19] Voice 11: be meeting in the traditional territories of many co-sailors people and of course in particular

[0:00:25] Voice 11: of manila first nation has lived and played and worked and gathered in this in this area and on

[0:00:35] Voice 11: this island for a millennium uh for much longer than any of us can imagine frankly um i don't

[0:00:42] Voice 11: know if any of their trustees wish to say anything regarding that or anything else before we start

[0:00:47] Voice 11: meeting okay thank you very much for that um this

[0:00:51] Voice 10: is the september the 6th uh 2022 regular meeting

[0:00:56] Voice 10: we have uh two community information meetings uh today uh plus we have a public hearing uh related

[0:01:03] Voice 10: to a rezoning project that

[0:01:06] Voice 11: we are going to work our way um through today and then we have a series

[0:01:11] Voice 11: of applications as well.

[0:01:14] Voice 10: I'd like to introduce myself.

[0:01:15] Voice 10: For those of you, there are some new faces here today

[0:01:17] Voice 10: that I haven't seen.

[0:01:18] Voice 10: And just so you know, while it's not mandatory,

[0:01:22] Voice 10: we do encourage people to mask,

[0:01:24] Voice 10: we're in a small room, although the ventilation

[0:01:25] Voice 11: appears to be very good in here right now.

[0:01:28] Voice 11: I find that if I wear a mask while I'm talking,

[0:01:31] Voice 11: people can't hear me as well.

[0:01:33] Voice 11: So I tend to take my mask off while I'm speaking.

[0:01:37] Voice 11: And good afternoon.

[0:01:40] Voice 11: and uh so my name is dan rogers and i am a member of the executive committee of the

[0:01:46] Voice 11: uh the trust trust councils um i have been for it's almost four years exactly coming up in the

[0:01:55] Voice 11: middle of october again beginning of november and i have a privilege our structure is such

[0:02:00] Voice 11: is that vice chairs and the chair chair other local trust committees we act as the third

[0:02:06] Voice 11: third member of the local trust committee so there's an uneven number um and i've had the

[0:02:13] Voice 11: privilege of being the chair on galliano for the last four years and come to know many of you uh

[0:02:21] Voice 11: we'll see how well you like me after i'm not the chair anymore

[0:02:25] Voice 11: i

[0:02:25] Voice 10: think anybody stays in touch

[0:02:27] Voice 11: i certainly hear from a lot of you now

[0:02:33] Voice 11: so uh also you'll obviously know your two your two local uh trustees especially jay wolverton

[0:02:39] Voice 11: who you heard from earlier during the community stewardship award presentation and trustee

[0:02:44] Voice 11: pleasure of working with for the last four

[0:02:48] Voice 10: years i'd also

[0:02:50] Voice 10: like to introduce um uh two staff members

[0:02:53] Voice 10: who have joined us today uh the island

[0:02:56] Voice 11: planner for for galliano is

[0:02:58] Voice 11: brad smith he's going with

[0:02:59] Voice 11: a black shirt and then to his left we uh we have the uh the regional planning

[0:03:04] Voice 10: manager glad to see

[0:03:06] Voice 10: you again robert kojima we haven't seen well we don't see robert every meeting but uh he does come

[0:03:12] Voice 10: and uh so glad pleased to have that we also have um uh we also have um uh the person i was talking

[0:03:21] Voice 10: talking to Robin I'll check it is in the office in in Victoria I believe she's in the office and

[0:03:29] Voice 10: anyway she's somewhere remotely and we'll be taking the minutes from there you may hear me

[0:03:35] Voice 10: speak to Robin from time

[0:03:36] Voice 11: to time as we go along in addition we have other present presenters for both

[0:03:42] Voice 11: the community information meeting and for the of the public hearing as we go forward so we're going

[0:03:50] Voice 11: to work our way through the what is a a busy agenda um i would like to the first order of

[0:03:57] Voice 11: business is to is to approve the agenda and i i must admit i must have

[0:04:02] Voice 10: been i took some vacation

[0:04:04] Voice 10: time in august and i must have missed this that there was not a um a first town hall on the agenda

[0:04:12] Voice 10: and i think given the number of things that are on the agenda that i know people have been writing

[0:04:17] Voice 10: about and are interested in

[0:04:19] Voice 11: uh i think it would be appropriate to add a town hall um i'm going

[0:04:24] Voice 11: to propose and go that i would listen to the two trustees i was going to propose to go after the

[0:04:29] Voice 11: public hearing uh or would you like it early

[0:04:31] Voice 3: i thought it could go after the chair's report

[0:04:36] Voice 10: okay

[0:04:36] Voice 3: how are we for timing well we're

[0:04:38] Voice 3: okay it depends

[0:04:39] Voice 10: how long the cim and the public hearing

[0:04:41] Voice 10: hearing last yeah um I we haven't had a lot of feedback on either of them um so what would you

[0:04:47] Voice 10: guys like I

[0:04:48] Voice 4: think after the public hearing after

[0:04:51] Voice 10: the public hearing yeah okay

[0:04:52] Voice 10: so we'll add then uh

[0:04:56] Voice 10: after seven we'll put um seven point well I guess it's sort of like eight a was before the minutes

[0:05:04] Voice 10: we'll add a town hall okay Robin uh and that would be your opportunity to speak to the local trust

[0:05:10] Voice 10: committee regarding matters that are on the agenda that aren't dealt with in the in the

[0:05:16] Voice 10: in the actual community information meetings or in the public hearing so you'll have an

[0:05:23] Voice 10: opportunity to ask questions about the two committee information meetings

[0:05:28] Voice 10: and and also have an opportunity to make submissions on the public hearing on the

[0:05:32] Voice 10: rezoning project but if there's other matters on the agenda that are later on the agenda

[0:05:37] Voice 10: uh that'll be your opportunity to speak to those of course if you're an applicant um which would

[0:05:43] Voice 10: include uh the gaylor application the uh and the walker application if you're the actual applicant

[0:05:51] Voice 10: you'll have an opportunity

[0:05:51] Voice 11: to speak during your consideration reapplication however if you wish

[0:05:56] Voice 11: to speak to me at any either of those applications and you aren't the applicant

[0:05:59] Voice 11: you should do so

[0:06:00] Voice 11: during town hall is that confusing enough for everyone i remind you again when we get there

[0:06:05] Voice 11: to the town hall and I'll also talk to you about about the opportunities about the appropriate

[0:06:12] Voice 11: expectations related to speech etc during that so with that amendment are there any other

[0:06:20] Voice 11: amendments or additions to the agenda

[0:06:22] Voice 10: from either of the trustees okay so

[0:06:24] Voice 10: having said that we'll

[0:06:26] Voice 10: take the agenda approved

[0:06:28] Voice 11: as

[0:06:28] Voice 10: amended with the with the town hall after the public hearing

[0:06:32] Voice 10: So the first thing

[0:06:34] Voice 11: up on the agenda is a trustee report.

[0:06:37] Voice 11: So what's been doing since July 4th?

[0:06:43] Voice 4: Nothing.

[0:06:45] Voice 4: Running a store.

[0:06:46] Voice 5: The

[0:06:47] Voice 4: trust takes August off. So we, there was very little trust work except before the pandemic I was working with the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure in bringing car stops to Galliano.

[0:06:59] Voice 4: Car stops are strategically placed to mark pull-outs where pedestrians can wait for a driver to pick them up.

[0:07:05] Voice 4: It's a safe alternative to hitchhiking, where narrow roads often make it dangerous to stop and pick up someone.

[0:07:11] Voice 4: The

[0:07:11] Voice 3: pandemic, however, made

[0:07:12] Voice 4: car sharing environment unappealing, so I put my work to the side.

[0:07:15] Voice 4: But I believe this is the proven model of successfully reducing car use and encouraging car sharing,

[0:07:20] Voice 4: so I have recently, in July and August, continued to pursue this concept in hopes of introducing the system to Galliano.

[0:07:27] Voice 4: so that's what i did for july and august in regards to the trust work there was a government's

[0:07:32] Voice 4: committee meeting and uh which i have heard of and also a financial planning committee meeting

[0:07:38] Voice 4: but due to a severe short staffing i was unable to attend

[0:07:45] Voice 11: okay

[0:07:46] Voice 3: uh yeah and definitely august is a bit quieter although there's been a tremendous

[0:07:51] Voice 3: not a correspondence and site visits and the regional planning committee met during august

[0:07:58] Voice 3: one of the main things that the regional planning committee has been working on is housing advocacy

[0:08:07] Voice 3: and preparing a letter to government that will go before the trust council which meets in

[0:08:16] Voice 3: um two weeks from now i guess and the the idea is to it'll have to go through trust council but

[0:08:25] Voice 3: we're looking at trying to convene a table of people to really focus on housing in these gulf

[0:08:33] Voice 3: islands and a table of people the politicians who actually have some of the power to make some of

[0:08:40] Voice 3: those decisions, and maybe even find some funding, but it's

[0:08:45] Voice 3: recognized that all throughout, throughout the province. And in

[0:08:50] Voice 3: particular, in these islands that there was a critical

[0:08:52] Voice 3: housing shortage, and that because we are islands, it's

[0:08:56] Voice 3: different from another area where people could live in a

[0:09:01] Voice 3: different community and come and work in a community where we're

[0:09:05] Voice 3: hampered by a ferry service and not having local affordable rental housing so those are the main

[0:09:14] Voice 3: things that I've been working on also trying to give some thought to reconciliation and what

[0:09:22] Voice 3: reconciliation actually means on the ground and that was part of a discussion at the regional

[0:09:27] Voice 3: planning committee how does it we have a high level declaration but then how does that translate

[0:09:34] Voice 3: into actual policies and procedures and um and how we do the work so that's my short report

[0:09:41] Voice 10: thanks

[0:09:44] Voice 10: um so a couple of things in my uh a few things in my chair's report um

[0:09:54] Voice 10: it has been

[0:09:56] Voice 11: a busier summer than usual i would say because we spend a fair amount of time on

[0:10:00] Voice 11: in Galeano at various meetings and hearings in July.

[0:10:04] Voice 11: August was, is quieter.

[0:10:08] Voice 11: There were

[0:10:08] Voice 10: very few local trust committee meetings.

[0:10:12] Voice 10: However, there were some committee meetings.

[0:10:14] Voice 10: I wanted to point out one thing.

[0:10:16] Voice 10: One of the things that's occurring

[0:10:18] Voice 10: at the financial planning committee is we were,

[0:10:22] Voice 10: we spent some time last week talking about our,

[0:10:25] Voice 10: when we build our budget,

[0:10:26] Voice 10: we have what are called our principles and assumptions.

[0:10:29] Voice 10: and uh it's often been a bit of a rote exercise where we just sort of said oh yeah that all

[0:10:35] Voice 10: sounds good this time we had a more in-depth conversation about what those principles and

[0:10:41] Voice 10: assumptions should be and one of them uh that we've asked and we'll get trust council hopefully

[0:10:46] Voice 10: will prove was to build in um first nations engagement and reconciliation activities

[0:10:51] Voice 10: into our budget as a principle and assumption going forward that may sound like a small step

[0:10:57] Voice 10: to stake and it may seem obvious um and in some ways it is but it's uh but it also is an important

[0:11:05] Voice 10: step for us as we work through our budget that we we build in the appropriate um amounts and funding

[0:11:12] Voice 10: and recognition that we're going to have to do this work as an ongoing because we often get into

[0:11:17] Voice 10: projects and find out you know what we haven't we haven't built it in appropriately and we need to

[0:11:23] Voice 10: do that at the front end and start to to understand that work at the beginning it's another i'll call

[0:11:29] Voice 10: another step on the

[0:11:30] Voice 11: journey of reconciliation we're doing so that was one of the discussions

[0:11:34] Voice 11: that happened at the financial planning committee which i think was important and i was pleased to

[0:11:38] Voice 11: see that it was supported by everybody at the financial plan uh

[0:11:43] Voice 10: the other thing that's occurring

[0:11:44] Voice 10: um is that the trust programs committee met twice over the summer and that made the fun the good

[0:11:51] Voice 10: stuff as was the community stewardship awards but we're also working our way through the trust

[0:11:55] Voice 10: policy statement and some of you who may follow what we're doing with the at the trust

[0:12:00] Voice 11: uh may

[0:12:01] Voice 11: know that that has been the subject of some commentary let's say across particularly the

[0:12:08] Voice 10: southern gulf islands but across the trust area um it has uh derailed some of the work that we

[0:12:15] Voice 10: would otherwise have done uh that commentary and has taken up an awful lot of our resources

[0:12:20] Voice 10: So the trust policy statement is is somewhat akin or not exactly

[0:12:25] Voice 11: like an official community

[0:12:27] Voice 11: plan in the local trust area.

[0:12:30] Voice 11: It's a it's a high level document that sets out the principles that the trust is going

[0:12:34] Voice 11: to adhere to.

[0:12:35] Voice 11: And you'll see as we work our way through specific projects, for example, on the island,

[0:12:40] Voice 11: we actually do what's called a trust policy statement checklist

[0:12:43] Voice 10: to see that whether the

[0:12:45] Voice 10: local trust committee what they're proposing abides by these principles.

[0:12:49] Voice 10: So these are the

[0:12:49] Voice 10: principles that the Trust Council as a whole adopts.

[0:12:53] Voice 10: It's been a challenging time to try and work our way through that and trying to incorporate

[0:12:59] Voice 10: more, I'll call it more ecosystem-based measures, issues around reconciliation and trying to

[0:13:08] Voice 10: build that into our work, and also around housing issues and those issues.

[0:13:13] Voice 10: those have been the three main themes um but it has generated a lot of discussions people don't

[0:13:20] Voice 11: always like when some provisions of government quote unquote government may pinder how they do

[0:13:27] Voice 11: their what they do on their own property so that's been a big piece of work we had two meetings

[0:13:33] Voice 11: um on uh over the summer one at the beginning beginning issue of july one at the end of

[0:13:39] Voice 11: of August and what became clear is is the proposed draft which almost got first reading in July needs

[0:13:50] Voice 11: to go back for a rework July of 2021 sorry needs to go back for a rework

[0:13:56] Voice 10: and so the proposal coming

[0:13:57] Voice 10: to trust council is is to send the document back to the committee and the new committee and staff

[0:14:03] Voice 10: to rework it with a series of principles and directions that we've given

[0:14:07] Voice 11: to that the trust

[0:14:08] Voice 11: policy committee programs committee has given to um they have uh uh they have um

[0:14:16] Voice 10: uh for certain

[0:14:19] Voice 10: uh recognized that there were some

[0:14:22] Voice 11: people didn't like some of the structure they didn't like the

[0:14:25] Voice 11: way it was laid out and there's some recognition that some of the um uh proposals perhaps had gone

[0:14:33] a little too

[0:14:33] Voice 11: far and so there's some direction to sort of roll some of those back to put in

[0:14:40] Voice 11: some modifications around the issues around docks and forests and foreshores and things of that

[0:14:45] Voice 11: nature so we'll see what that looks like you can look for it coming forward again probably in the

[0:14:51] Voice 11: early part of the of the next year not the next term necessarily but the next year and speaking

[0:15:00] Voice 11: Speaking of that, just while we're on the issue of the next term, of course, elections are in the offing.

[0:15:04] Voice 11: I saw an election sign

[0:15:06] Voice 10: coming up, driving up to the mall, so I know people on Galliano know this.

[0:15:11] Voice 10: They're quite aware, as they're always very politically active.

[0:15:14] Voice 10: That will be held on October the 15th, and there will be a new trust council,

[0:15:19] Voice 10: and much of the work of, while the local trust committees will be oriented up to speed

[0:15:24] Voice 11: fairly quickly and working on things,

[0:15:26] Voice 11: the new trust council will probably spend the first two times in in November when the swearing

[0:15:32] Voice 11: in is and then early December getting

[0:15:35] Voice 10: oriented so that they have an idea so they have a better

[0:15:38] Voice 10: idea of how to do their work with us particularly with the new trustees as they come in so it's

[0:15:44] Voice 10: it's a fun time for everyone involved as we finish up our work and get on with the next work

[0:15:51] Voice 10: um the last thing i wanted to report on and rather than do this in before the town hall

[0:15:57] Voice 10: uh i have received a number of um uh letters uh or commentary from people concerned about

[0:16:06] Voice 10: correspondence that's come into uh the trust the trust that gets posted on the website

[0:16:12] Voice 10: that may contain commentary sometimes does that i wouldn't usually tolerate in a public meeting

[0:16:21] Voice 10: and and to be frank you're right and that's

[0:16:26] Voice 11: mostly I take responsibility for one of them

[0:16:29] Voice 11: because it was addressed to me and and I just miss taking out the parts that were

[0:16:36] Voice 10: that might

[0:16:37] Voice 10: have been found to be offensive I will say that for when we get large swaths of communication

[0:16:44] Voice 10: communication like we got last week um related to an application that's on our application it's

[0:16:50] Voice 10: very hard i think it's very difficult for us to challenge you for us to go in and vet them because

[0:16:55] Voice 10: we get criticized if we don't get them up on our website immediately uh we try to do our best and

[0:17:00] Voice 10: we do try and vet communications and correspondence for defamatory remarks etc occasionally things get

[0:17:07] Voice 10: missed

[0:17:08] Voice 11: uh and uh we will continue to try and do our best but for those that um that we're concerned

[0:17:15] about some correspondence that's actually in our package today uh i've addressed that and we've

[0:17:21] gotten some revised correspondence

[0:17:22] Voice 11: for that i simply just want to say uh that was my responsibility

[0:17:26] Voice 11: i should have caught it earlier i did not and i apologize

[0:17:30] Voice 10: um anyway uh uh so with that in mind

[0:17:36] Voice 10: i think that's my report um and with that we'll start then the uh the next issue and the first

[0:17:46] Voice 10: item on the agenda is the community information meeting around uh

[0:17:51] Voice 11: the galileo affordable living

[0:17:53] Voice 11: initiative society um and uh i think what we're going to do unless i'm mistaken is i'm going to

[0:18:03] Voice 11: clara smith are you going to sort of introduce the bylaw and walk us through that

[0:18:07] Voice 11: and then what's going to occur is that the applicant i think that's the level you're

[0:18:12] Voice 11: going to do the presentation alone oh i'm sorry i guess i'll get to you yes yes sorry and trustee

[0:18:19] Voice 11: rockefeller has been recused throughout this process and will recuse yourself for this um

[0:18:26] Voice 11: and then we'll have some presentations i see you have i just to see you again i see there's some

[0:18:31] Voice 11: folks here from your team uh and then

[0:18:34] Voice 11: there'll be an opportunity after we've had the presentation

[0:18:37] Voice 11: uh for questions and answers uh so

[0:18:40] Voice 10: this is your

[0:18:41] Voice 11: opportunity to ask questions get the information

[0:18:44] Voice 11: that you need uh tell us what what what it is that might concern you whether what and get all

[0:18:50] Voice 11: the information you might possibly need related to the

[0:18:53] Voice 10: application the plan

[0:18:55] Voice 11: is to have a public

[0:18:56] Voice 11: hearing on the 27th of september uh

[0:19:01] Voice 10: in conjunction with our next local trust committee meeting

[0:19:05] Voice 10: but this is the opportunity to get you know get your questions answered and make sure that you

[0:19:09] Voice 10: understand and make sure the application and what's being proposed so with that i'm going

[0:19:15] Voice 11: to turn it over to minor brad smith who's been the planner on this matter throughout

[0:19:19] Voice 11: um and so already

[0:19:22] Voice 9: so my uh intent is just to give a quick update of uh the application and where

[0:19:29] Voice 9: things are currently at and what next steps are and then i'll pass it over to you to provide more

[0:19:34] Voice 9: detail about the actual application and the proposal for what you're planning to do on the

[0:19:39] Voice 9: land base so uh the application to rezone uh the property at 409 for lady pass road was submitted

[0:19:47] Voice 9: it in 2021 and planning staff have been working actively with the local trust committee and the

[0:19:53] Voice 9: proponents to move the application forward as many of you will be aware the proposal

[0:20:00] Voice 9: at that particular property that property was rezoned in the past already for a community

[0:20:07] Voice 9: housing use. So it is a zone in the land use bylaw as community housing one. And so in this case,

[0:20:18] Voice 9: there's only one bylaw amendment that's being proposed to amend the provisions of that land

[0:20:23] Voice 9: use bylaw to enable a different form of character for what's being proposed. There's no OCP

[0:20:31] Voice 9: the amendment in this case so it's just the one that is by the change uh bylaw 280 the uh the

[0:20:38] Voice 9: substance of the proposed changes are uh the previous bylaw uh the zoning for community

[0:20:45] Voice 9: housing one allowed for one uh resident per uh or one dwelling per lot uh with the expectation

[0:20:53] Voice 9: and not the previous proposal there would be a strata scheme developed for the uh rezoning

[0:21:00] Voice 9: where it would allow up to 20 separate strata lots to be created so the rezoning to for this

[0:21:09] Voice 9: proposal given that it is a 20 unit development in four buildings with multi-units in each building

[0:21:18] Voice 9: with a single property owner the zoning is being amended they're seeking amendments to change the

[0:21:24] Voice 9: zoning from one dwelling to lot or per lot to

[0:21:27] Voice 9: 20 dwellings per lot uh there are also other various

[0:21:31] Voice 9: changes to the zoning to uh establish maximum size for each type of unit so they're studio

[0:21:38] Voice 9: units right up to one two and three bedroom units and uh and also the uh

[0:21:47] Voice 9: insertion of a form of tenure clause that requires that all of the units be limited to rental units

[0:21:56] Voice 9: in the future. So that's the changes to the actual bylaw. I'm not going to get into the details of

[0:22:02] Voice 9: the actual proposal or what's occurring. Where we're at now, we're at a community information

[0:22:08] Voice 9: meeting. This is the second community information meeting that's been held for the proposal.

[0:22:15] Voice 9: At this stage, the applicant or the proposals been given first reading so the bylaws been given first reading by the local trust committee.

[0:22:23] Voice 9: In conjunction with the bylaw there's also a housing agreement which is an agreement between the proponent and the local trust committee, which establishes various parameters of the, of the long term use of rental those units including rent structure.

[0:22:44] Voice 9: there was quite a bit of back and forth to come to an agreed upon rent structure and now the housing

[0:22:49] Voice 9: agreement has advanced to more or less the draft final stage it was presented to the local trust

[0:22:53] Voice 9: committee at the july 26 special meeting there's also two covenants two land title acts section 219

[0:23:00] Voice 9: covenants that will accompany the uh rezoning if they are approved there's a in this case they

[0:23:06] Voice 9: have developed one covenant that has a number of terms that are only applicable at the time

[0:23:15] Voice 9: of construction. And so it's considered a temporary covenant. And once all of those

[0:23:20] Voice 9: terms are met and completed, then the applicant would seek to discharge that covenant from

[0:23:27] Voice 9: title of the property. And then there's a second covenant where there are more permanent

[0:23:31] Voice 9: terms that require more long-term covenant conditions around the maintenance and monitoring

[0:23:41] Voice 9: of groundwater use and a number of other components and so those covenants the permanent

[0:23:48] Voice 9: covenants is more or less finalized and so it's at the draft final stage the temporary covenant

[0:23:55] Voice 9: there's still a little bit of back and forth going on between the applicants and and trust

[0:24:00] Voice 9: trust legal counsel, just to finalize the wording of some of the specific terms of the

[0:24:06] Voice 9: covenant, but that both of those covenants were presented to the local trust committee

[0:24:13] Voice 9: in July as well, and they were satisfied with those covenants, and the septic terms have

[0:24:18] Voice 9: been added now to those covenants that were raised at the July 26th meeting, so all of

[0:24:25] Voice 9: that work is more or less complete uh the next step so today there's a community information

[0:24:31] Voice 9: meeting and that's chair roger said it's your opportunity to ask questions of the local trust

[0:24:35] Voice 9: committee proponents and staff we also have our senior freshwater specialist uh on our zoom call

[0:24:43] Voice 9: here william shoulder so he can answer any questions around groundwater as well as mr

[0:24:48] Voice 9: Mr. Cohen in the audience. They're hydrogeologists professional. After today, the next step is a

[0:24:57] Voice 9: public hearing is scheduled for September the 27th, which will also be in conjunction with

[0:25:03] Voice 9: their regular meeting. And if the local trust committee after that public hearing decides to

[0:25:12] Voice 9: give second and third reading to the proposed bylaw then the next step would be uh all bylaws

[0:25:19] Voice 9: uh moving through that stress require executive committee approvals so the executive committee

[0:25:24] Voice 9: would give um uh consideration of the proposed bylaw assuming they approved the bylaw then the

[0:25:31] Voice 9: last step would be for it to come back to the local trust committee for a final uh for a fourth

[0:25:36] Voice 9: reading and final adoption so that's where things are at with the application and now

[0:25:44] Voice 9: we're going to pass it over to the proponents uh to discuss the proposal in more detail

[0:25:52] Voice 11: you'd like to

[0:25:53] Voice 11: i think it's yeah

[0:25:54] Voice 11: maybe and get your presentation going for you at all steps

[0:27:02] Voice 5: okay

[0:27:32] Voice 12: can people see the screen okay well

[0:27:37] Voice 11: good afternoon everyone it's a really great turnout

[0:27:40] Voice 11: here uh my name is mike povel i'm a member of the board of the galliano affordable living

[0:27:46] Voice 11: being connected to society where the folks who have

[0:27:48] Voice 12: a proposal for the development of the

[0:27:51] Galliano Green property just up the road here next to Pigs Drive. I'd like to start as

[0:27:58] Voice 11: we always do

[0:28:00] Voice 11: at our board meetings with our land acknowledgement and so I'd say that we acknowledge the deep

[0:28:07] Voice 11: privilege of living upon the unceded and the servant lands of the Penelope, La Malcha,

[0:28:12] Voice 11: and Haudenosaunee First Nations, as well as other Haudenosaunee speaking peoples and the

[0:28:18] Voice 11: Treaty Territories and Tsawwassen First Nations.

[0:28:22] Voice 11: Today, I'll be presenting a little bit of information at the introduction, and thanks

[0:28:27] Voice 11: by the way to Planner Smith for such a comprehensive background statement, not only, but I have

[0:28:34] to say,

[0:28:35] Voice 11: the less.

[0:28:36] Voice 11: And then we are also, we have several people who are part of our project team here or remotely

[0:28:44] Voice 11: here to present.

[0:28:46] Voice 11: One is John White, who you'll hear from.

[0:28:49] Voice 11: He's in the back of the room right there from the comments development.

[0:28:52] Voice 11: Keith Erickson, for those of you who came early to the meeting today at noon, Keith

[0:28:58] Voice 11: He was here to receive an award, a really well-deserved award.

[0:29:03] And we're also a hydrogeologist alcove that many people in Cal Am know and know the work of, is here.

[0:29:11] And remotely, Josh

[0:29:14] Voice 11: Bartley from Gly Engineering will be tuning in, we hope.

[0:29:19] Voice 11: Hope this is all going to work.

[0:29:21] Voice 11: and there are a couple of other people in the background who are uh will be able to help with

[0:29:29] Voice 11: trying to answer some of your questions so with that i will see if we can move forward

[0:29:38] Voice 11: there's a delay here so um as i say brad has already covered some of this so i'll be free

[0:29:46] Voice 11: but just to let you know the galliano affordable living initiative society was incorporated

[0:29:51] Voice 11: We were registered as a non-profit society in March of 2020, and we came together before

[0:29:59] Voice 11: forward with this.

[0:30:00] Voice 11: Galliano organization, your board, as we have so many on the

[0:30:03] Voice 11: island, for important work on the island. And earlier in the

[0:30:10] Voice 11: meeting, Trustee Wolff had commented about the critical

[0:30:13] Voice 11: lack of affordable rental housing on this island. It is

[0:30:18] Voice 12: it's

[0:30:19] Voice 11: not appropriately to say it is a crisis. I've seen it

[0:30:25] Voice 11: described even more strongly. It is a situation that we all

[0:30:29] Voice 11: have to do something about and there are various initiatives and projects underway as i think

[0:30:35] Voice 11: uh as planter smith already commented the current uh land use designation for the property we're

[0:30:42] Voice 11: talking about the canada green property is uh community housing so it's designated for

[0:30:48] Voice 11: community housing um and uh this is as a result of the uh hard work that was done by the previous

[0:30:57] Voice 11: owners of the property which was the galliano community housing association whose generosity

[0:31:05] Voice 11: in transferring the property to galley for a token amount after they had done a lot of work to

[0:31:14] Voice 11: get go through the community consultation process items trust processes to change the ocp

[0:31:22] plan its designation and the zoning which uh does

[0:31:27] Voice 11: currently allow for 20 homes but as again

[0:31:31] reported uh that the 20 homes of the galleon trinity housing association

[0:31:39] Voice 11: was proposing

[0:31:41] Voice 11: was based on a bare land strata subdivision with individually leased lots and largely owner-built

[0:31:48] Voice 11: homes. Galley's proposal, our proposal is different, significantly different, but we

[0:31:54] Voice 11: are looking to build 20 affordable rental homes for multi-unit buildings without a strata

[0:32:04] Voice 11: subdivision. And because of the nature of that change, it is necessary to rezone the

[0:32:12] Voice 11: property and that's the process we've been underway uh working with the trust planner and

[0:32:18] Voice 11: ltc and consultant team for many months now many board meetings so um so we have submitted the

[0:32:29] Voice 11: application this is our second cim and i just wanted to orient everybody so you can find it

[0:32:36] Voice 11: visually of where the property is. It's next to Page Drive and across from the South Gallium Fire

[0:32:45] Voice 11: Farm. And as you can see, the property is largely forested. Second Grove Forest. And you'll hear

[0:32:53] Voice 11: more from Pete Derrickson about what the ecology is of the property. And I'd like to just speak

[0:33:05] Voice 11: speak very, very briefly about what our concept for this new piece of the community is, which

[0:33:17] Voice 11: is it would be a small residential village, affordable and secure homes for singles, couples,

[0:33:24] Voice 11: families and seniors with low to moderate incomes. And Galliano residents and Galliano

[0:33:31] Voice 11: impersonations and indigenous community members will have priority for those i think that's

[0:33:38] Voice 11: it for my brief introduction i want to turn uh get over now to uh yeah mike from new commons

[0:33:46] Voice 11: develop tell you about new commons and where we are in the overall process

[0:33:52] Voice 11: sorry

[0:33:53] Voice 11: I'm sorry to leave them in the back of the room, I'll do this so you guys don't have to turn your heads.

[0:33:59] First off, very nice to be speaking with you, it's really nice to be on Galliano Island on a beautiful sunny day in September.

[0:34:07] Voice 12: My name is Dion White, I work with New Commons Development. New Commons Development is a non-profit real estate development company based in Vancouver and Toronto.

[0:34:15] Toronto.

[0:34:16] Voice 12: I myself am based on Vancouver Island. And our mission is essentially to partner

[0:34:23] Voice 12: with local nonprofits like the Galliano Affordable Living Initiative Society to help them realize

[0:34:28] Voice 12: their affordable housing project goals. It's really the

[0:34:33] Voice 12: only type of

[0:34:33] Voice 11: development we do.

[0:34:35] Voice 11: And the company has been around since about 2017. And we're a number of real estate development

[0:34:45] professionals, project managers, analysts, etc, who do this type of work. And, you know, we all

[0:34:54] Voice 12: sort of have an alignment of values around why to see

[0:34:57] Voice 12: more affordable housing around Canada.

[0:35:01] We launched what we call a small communities initiative in 2019. I was hired at that time to

[0:35:08] help with that initiative. Previously, the practice had been largely urban-based and

[0:35:16] and wanted to sort of take what we have learned and we're doing in sort of larger

[0:35:21] to see if we could apply that to address some of the

[0:35:25] how that we're being experienced in smaller communities as well and it was through that

[0:35:32] initiative that we met um i don't want to spend too too much time on this slide you can see

[0:35:41] there's a number of projects

[0:35:42] Voice 11: uh that we have sort of the inner development pipeline we have a number

[0:35:46] Voice 11: of those in small rural DC communities. Some of those are now in construction and represent

[0:35:54] Voice 11: all of these representing a little over 1800 units, which is sort of a little bit in excess

[0:36:01] Voice 11: of our impact target that we had set out. I'll also just mention that besides myself,

[0:36:10] Voice 11: there's two other members of the New Commons team attending the session today with you.

[0:36:15] Voice 11: Tin Yang is a recent addition to our team and she is joining to just get a sense of

[0:36:21] Voice 11: some of the work that we do and sort of just observing today and Aida Kudik is online she

[0:36:29] Voice 11: wasn't able to attend directly because she was traveling all over the interior last week but

[0:36:34] she is the project manager for the

[0:36:35] Voice 11: project and will certainly be available to help answer

[0:36:39] Voice 11: technical questions and other other questions you may have next slide please

[0:36:45] Voice 11: So a little bit about where we are in the project, as Michael mentioned, we've been working on this for some time since 2020.

[0:36:55] Voice 11: And the rezoning application was submitted back in March 2021.

[0:37:00] Voice 11: We've done a lot of work together, starting with a feasibility phase to just take a look at this property,

[0:37:06] Voice 11: see what, you know, might understand the local group's sort of vision, what outcomes they were seeking to achieve in terms of housing on Galliano Island,

[0:37:17] Voice 11: and then sort of working backwards from that to see how we could deliver a project that would achieve those outcomes and how feasible that project was.

[0:37:26] This then was followed by a bunch of schematic design work.

[0:37:31] We assembled a bit of a design team.

[0:37:33] team, the architect we've been working with for the project is Peter

[0:37:38] Voice 11: Troyhite, he's with

[0:37:39] Voice 11: Mobius Designs based on the Sunshine Coast, and then submitted the rezoning application

[0:37:46] Voice 11: back in March of 2021. It's since had a series of staff reviews, it's been to the advisory

[0:37:54] Voice 11: design committee, we did a first community information meeting back in October of last

[0:37:59] Voice 11: year, almost a year ago, and first reading was given, sitting here, February 22, but

[0:38:08] I thought we just did it in July.

[0:38:13] Brad,

[0:38:13] Voice 11: can you clarify?

[0:38:16] Voice 11: The first reading was just done in July, correct?

[0:38:20] Voice 12: On

[0:38:20] Voice 11: the by-law?

[0:38:22] Voice 11: Oh, it was done in February.

[0:38:25] Voice 11: Sorry, momentary lapse.

[0:38:30] We're doing the second community information meeting here today, and the intent of having

[0:38:36] us come back for public hearing

[0:38:37] Voice 12: on the 27th of September, as

[0:38:39] Voice 11: Donnie Smith already discussed.

[0:38:42] Voice 11: A whole number of studies and technical work have been done on the project to date.

[0:38:47] Voice 11: You can sort of see the list of them there.

[0:38:49] Voice 11: I won't read them out necessarily one by one.

[0:38:55] Voice 11: the one that's sort of covered by the little notation at the bottom says that it's just

[0:39:01] Voice 11: noting that the water license for uh the project was recently approved by the province in may 20

[0:39:08] Voice 11: on may 25th of 2022.

[0:39:10] Voice 12: um next slide we're

[0:39:19] Voice 5: turning it over to keith

[0:39:20] Voice 5: my name

[0:39:36] Voice 12: is keith erickson i'm a professional biologist i was

[0:39:40] Voice 12: contracted by galley back in the spring of 2021 to

[0:39:45] Voice 11: conduct an ecological assessment of the property

[0:39:50] Voice 11: that involved a review of all pertinent ecological information available

[0:39:57] Voice 11: a field based inventory and assessment

[0:40:02] Voice 12: of the

[0:40:03] Voice 11: property and

[0:40:04] Voice 12: then a assessment of the impact of

[0:40:07] Voice 12: proposed development on the ecology and

[0:40:10] Voice 11: recommendations for ways to

[0:40:14] Voice 12: minimize the

[0:40:15] Voice 12: impact or to mitigate impacts

[0:40:16] Voice 11: from the proposed work and so today I'll just give you a very brief

[0:40:23] Voice 11: summary of what I found on the property and then a very brief summary of some of the recommendations

[0:40:33] Voice 11: So if on the right is a map of the property, and it shows it's divided up into different

[0:40:41] Voice 11: polygons or units that correspond to the different types of forest ecosystems that are there.

[0:40:47] Voice 11: Most of the lot could be generally characterized as maturing forest 60 to 80 year old.

[0:40:54] There's a couple of old growth trees up in the in the northwest corner, you can see the

[0:40:59] kind of orange uh asterisks going on the edge of the property property liner that i found the rest

[0:41:05] is sort of in that 60 to 80 and

[0:41:08] Voice 11: maybe there's a couple that are recovering after whole logging

[0:41:14] events um

[0:41:15] Voice 11: the sort of um most uh notable ecological feature on the property is putter

[0:41:21] Voice 11: creek which um comes in um from the northwest and into the very northern edge of the property

[0:41:29] Voice 11: and then out and under coordinated pass road and down through the golf course and eventually out into the Murchison Cove area, Waver Bay area.

[0:41:39] Voice 11: And so, and along with that creek are some little pockets of wetlands and riparian forest.

[0:41:48] Voice 11: There is a knoll sort of in central to the property where that EC02 is there.

[0:41:57] Voice 11: um that uh is a little height of land so the property kind of goes up from uh georgia

[0:42:03] Voice 11: bay road to the height of lennon and back down the other side to where they ask for on that

[0:42:09] Voice 11: knoll is drier dumpster dominated ecosystems where um you have nice uh sort of salal and

[0:42:17] Voice 11: oregon grape and those types of shrubs underneath the lowland area around the creek in that sort of

[0:42:26] Voice 11: teal zone is quite moist quite wet as i said there's some little pocket wetlands and it's

[0:42:32] Voice 11: dominated by cedar and sword fern and moisture loving species like salmon burying from that

[0:42:38] Voice 11: i found a few at-risk ecosystems on the property um specifically a dumpster alaska onion grass

[0:42:51] Voice 11: meadow which is that ec02a and 02b two little patches up on that knoll um they're they're very

[0:42:59] Voice 11: quite rare on galley i don't find them very often um i also found a uh that nice little

[0:43:06] Voice 11: ocean spray community along georgia road in that bottom southern corner um and uh and a couple of

[0:43:15] Voice 11: the moisture areas the western red seizure and scum cabbage and red alder scum cabbage communities

[0:43:22] Voice 11: in the moisture area are also at risk so there's some nice

[0:43:27] Voice 12: little communities on the site

[0:43:31] Voice 12: there's a few larger diameter dominant trees also that i've mapped specifically that

[0:43:38] Voice 12: that, yeah, are provided for development.

[0:43:43] Voice 12: So the next slide.

[0:43:47] Voice 12: So based on that, and then looking at the proposed

[0:43:50] Voice 12: development, I found that the plan before Bi-Galley

[0:43:57] Voice 11: really did a good job of addressing a number

[0:44:01] Voice 11: of ecological concerns.

[0:44:03] One of which was protection of the Crete

[0:44:06] and riparian ecosystem.

[0:44:07] system it did not impact into the development permit area or any kind of or setback 30 meter

[0:44:15] setback that you would have alongside the

[0:44:16] Voice 11: creek so good job with that um it uh was not impacting the

[0:44:23] Voice 11: devos for ocean spray ec01 down there in the southern corner at all it was certainly not

[0:44:31] Voice 11: impacting any old growth trees that I found and it was protecting most of the larger diameter trees

[0:44:38] Voice 11: as well it also did a good job of protecting the richer higher productivity forest that's found

[0:44:46] Voice 11: on the northern portion in the moisture areas can

[0:44:51] Voice 3: we ask questions we'll

[0:44:53] Voice 11: get to questions the

[0:44:54] Voice 11: idea is that we'll have the presentations and then we'll get into the questions so if you could

[0:44:59] Voice 11: put them down is that all right i guess

[0:45:06] Voice 11: i'm happy to also minimize the footprint of the of the development as well some of the

[0:45:20] Voice 11: recommendations that i made to minimize the impact were specifically to relocate

[0:45:29] Voice 11: portions of the infrastructure that were encroaching into the Douglas for Alaska onion

[0:45:36] Voice 11: grass ecosystems on the top of the knoll and those were that recommendation was taken and had

[0:45:44] Voice 11: the developments been revised and adequately addressed

[0:45:54] Voice 11: also made the recommendation to retain as many of those larger diameter

[0:45:58] Voice 11: dominant trees and to hire an arborist to help make decisions about how to do that and

[0:46:06] Voice 11: that has also been followed adequately addressed by by galley and then there were some general

[0:46:14] Voice 11: recommendations looking at reducing the impact of the hydrology of the site from by getting

[0:46:22] Voice 11: getting water infiltrated into the ground

[0:46:25] Voice 11: and reducing the amount of surface water

[0:46:29] runoff from the development,

[0:46:32] which have also been addressed

[0:46:34] Voice 11: in detail

[0:46:35] Voice 11: by experts in that field in the water management plan.

[0:46:40] Voice 11: That's the summary of those.

[0:46:42] Voice 11: I'm happy to answer questions as I said

[0:46:45] Voice 11: in the question period.

[0:46:46] Voice 11: And there is a copy of the full report available

[0:46:51] Voice 11: on the Highlands Trust website

[0:46:52] Voice 11: site, and probably on the other sites

[0:46:55] Voice 12: as well. Thanks to me.

[0:47:05] Voice 11: Thanks, Keith. So on the left, we're showing the same base map

[0:47:11] Voice 11: that he's just presented. This is the ecological mapping. So

[0:47:14] Voice 11: just to give you a sense of how the development that's been

[0:47:17] Voice 11: proposed sort of overlays on on on the work that he did see

[0:47:22] Voice 11: pointer, but you can obviously see there's some driveways and

[0:47:28] Voice 11: sort of access to the site. And then the site, as you mentioned, is quite sloped up from the south to that sort of knoll of midway through the property.

[0:47:41] There's already a driveway roughed in that had been done by previous owners, and a well that had been installed on the property sort

[0:47:51] Voice 11: of at its mark there, but it's hard to see.

[0:47:56] Voice 11: there's a series of essentially rocky sort of terraces as you ascend that slope and the design

[0:48:03] Voice 11: has really sought to utilize those as much as possible in order to sort of have these buildings

[0:48:10] Voice 11: sort of set kind of backed into those tiers and some of them have two stories such that

[0:48:17] Voice 11: each the units can be accessed from the ground level either from the top side of that tier or

[0:48:24] Voice 11: sort of the lower side of that here depending on the units um you can see as as keith mentioned

[0:48:31] Voice 11: we've really worked hard to develop a site plan that stays away from some of those critical uh

[0:48:38] Voice 11: areas that had been identified so that bco1b ocean spray area in the bottom left corner

[0:48:45] Voice 11: really sort of tried to ensure the buildings weren't encroaching into there

[0:48:49] Voice 11: there, as well as the Dunfer, Lassen, and Ingrass community in CO2A, where we sort of moved and repositioned buildings along that tier to stay outside of that area.

[0:49:04] Voice 11: And of course, the riparian and wetland areas that are quite a ways further up to the northwest are also well away from the proposed development area.

[0:49:13] Voice 11: I'm going to just show you directly because what's not shown on this map, we'll see it on a future one, is that, of course, this property would have to be on septic.

[0:49:24] Voice 11: The proposed septic fields for the property, again, were relocated as a result of the ecological mapping work that was done,

[0:49:32] Voice 11: and are now, you know, there's a proposed dispersal field sort of just near the base of this slope here.

[0:49:42] Voice 11: it was previously sort of running in this area around this ecological community so we certainly

[0:49:48] Voice 11: wanted to move and we had keith and our septic engineer on site together looking at these areas

[0:49:55] Voice 11: with another small field sort of proposed just in this area there's not a lot of room there so

[0:50:01] Voice 12: they could accommodate all that the

[0:50:04] Voice 11: whole site is 10 acres there's about 0.86 acres in sort of

[0:50:11] Voice 11: developed footprint or area so it's really been a goal to try and condense the development of

[0:50:18] Voice 11: the site and achieve that sort of village uh you know feel that wouldn't really be possible if we

[0:50:25] put one kind of apartment building on the site uh but still sort of condense the footprint of

[0:50:31] Voice 12: the area and i think

[0:50:39] Voice 5: yeah we're going to everyone

[0:50:52] Voice 12: my name is al kohet i'm a professional engineer

[0:50:56] Voice 12: and a hydrogeologist. I've been involved in groundwater investigations on the Al-Anil

[0:51:02] Voice 12: for the last 30 years, and this particular area, this property, for the last 10 years.

[0:51:12] Voice 12: So there's been quite a bit of work that was done initially. I'm going to be talking about

[0:51:19] Voice 12: the water supply for this proposed housing development, which is a bedrock well, and

[0:51:26] Voice 11: it's indicated there WTN 91453 those WTN numbers referred to on the provincial

[0:51:37] groundwater wells database so

[0:51:40] Voice 12: those are all registered wells and besides the production

[0:51:46] Voice 12: well for this development you can see all the neighboring wells in this area by the larger

[0:51:53] Voice 12: of new dots and there's other wells. The other important thing about this figure here is the

[0:52:02] Voice 12: closest well to the production well is that WTN59275 and that belongs to the Page Road

[0:52:13] housing

[0:52:14] Voice 12: facility next door to the

[0:52:16] Voice 11: property under consideration. This well was initially

[0:52:21] Voice 11: It was initially drilled some time ago, 1993.

[0:52:27] Voice 11: And it's been tested several times,

[0:52:31] Voice 12: actually three times back in 2003.

[0:52:34] Voice 12: And this is quite an exceptional,

[0:52:37] Voice 12: it's good producing well.

[0:52:39] Voice 12: And I think it gives you an idea that a well drilled in 1993

[0:52:42] Voice 12: is still quite viable today,

[0:52:46] Voice 12: as long as nothing's happened to it.

[0:52:48] Voice 12: But this well originally tested for 12 hours,

[0:52:52] Voice 12: and then in 2018 it was tested for 72 and a half hours that's that's three days for testing

[0:53:00] Voice 12: and then again it was re-tested because there was some thought that maybe in November of 2019

[0:53:06] Voice 12: it was too wet when it was tested the well was tested again in October 2020 after a fairly dry

[0:53:14] Voice 12: dry summer for 72 and a half hours again.

[0:53:18] Voice 12: That is a requirement for federal oil testing in British Columbia if that oil is going to

[0:53:24] Voice 12: be used for a commercial-type development.

[0:53:32] Voice 12: And I'll just point out the water level in the test in 2020 was 32.48 meters below ground.

[0:53:43] Voice 12: and we've been monitoring this site since then and that water level does not vary much

[0:53:49] Voice 12: more than a few meters on a seasonal basis from from year to year. I won't go into the

[0:53:58] Voice 12: details of the test exactly but

[0:54:01] Voice 11: the next slide please. So that well was tested for those two

[0:54:07] Voice 11: days at 3.25 US gallons per minute. And we rated the well at that rating not more than

[0:54:18] Voice 11: what it was contested at. The well actually is capable of producing more water but we didn't

[0:54:25] Voice 11: uh

[0:54:25] Voice 12: the purpose of this was just to find out if there was enough water to satisfy the potential

[0:54:30] Voice 12: potential demands of this project not to test the ultimate capacity as well

[0:54:37] Voice 11: um

[0:54:38] Voice 12: now we didn't monitor the neighboring well at the page Road facility and there was mutual

[0:54:45] Voice 12: interference there not mutual but the interference of 5.41 meters and the page road well actually

[0:54:54] Voice 12: also influences this production well to some degree but only about a meter or so on a day-to-day

[0:55:01] Voice 12: basis but occasionally when they fill the storage tanks we believe at the Pedro facility

[0:55:09] Voice 12: uh there is a an impact when that takes place but that's short too next

[0:55:18] So

[0:55:22] Voice 12: this is the normal behavior of the well that we monitor from January to June of 2022.

[0:55:31] Voice 12: We also have 2021 data, but you can see the daily variation there of about half a meter.

[0:55:42] Voice 12: So that's the influence of the Page Road facility on this production well.

[0:55:47] Voice 12: And there are also some, if you can zero in, and this is in one of my reports, there are

[0:55:53] Voice 12: actually some tidal fluctuations because of the loading of the tide on this bedrock aggregate.

[0:56:01] Voice 12: And then we have these major pumping events that we don't really have the data from Page

[0:56:09] Voice 12: Road to know when they were actually doing their storage, filling their storage tanks.

[0:56:15] Voice 12: things. But when that happens, from this meeting, well, the water level drops several meters during

[0:56:25] Voice 12: that short lived event. So based on the performance of this well, and the testing we've

[0:56:35] Voice 12: done, the monitoring, the long term monitoring we've done here, we believe this well is

[0:56:40] Voice 12: certainly capable of meeting the water supply requirements of this proposed project. And

[0:56:47] not having any major effects on neighboring wells or part of the environment. So

[0:56:59] Voice 12: I'll just leave it

[0:56:59] Voice 12: there and I'll be pleased to answer any questions that you may have on groundwater supplies.

[0:57:20] Voice 11: So

[0:57:22] Voice 1: unfortunately, good afternoon everyone. I don't know if everyone can hear me well.

[0:57:29] Voice 1: But I have received an information from Gwaii Engineering that they are experiencing some

[0:57:34] Voice 1: technical difficulties with connecting due to their Wi-Fi settings. So hopefully they

[0:57:40] Voice 1: will be able to join for q a and if you allow me i can go through these slides just uh as an

[0:57:47] Voice 1: overview if that's okay

[0:57:49] Voice 9: okay

[0:57:57] Voice 10: your first slides up yes

[0:58:01] Voice 1: can we go to the next slide please so

[0:58:05] Voice 1: guai engineering is our uh civil consultant who prepared the slides and uh generally civil water

[0:58:12] Voice 1: management plan and site servicing plan so um can we

[0:58:20] Voice 11: turn it up a bit what's up

[0:58:33] Voice 5: no

[0:58:34] Voice 1: worries um so guai engineering is a local uh civil consultant that is working with us

[0:58:42] Voice 1: on uh development of water management plan and a site servicing plan for our project on galeano

[0:58:48] Voice 1: Island. Water system design is designed as per design guidelines for rural

[0:58:56] Voice 1: residential community water systems from 2012, which is the current guidelines for

[0:59:02] Voice 1: this type of development. There are a couple of main calculations that were

[0:59:10] Voice 1: required to design the system for our project. First one is maximum daily

[0:59:14] Voice 1: demand for the site and it is based on indoor demand, water loss allowance, and

[0:59:21] Voice 1: irrigation demand based on the design population of 50 residents which is

[0:59:26] Voice 1: again based on design guidelines with no anticipated water loss allowance and we

[0:59:34] Voice 1: do not have proposed irrigation on site for landscaping. The proposed maximum

[0:59:39] Voice 1: daily demand is 11,500 liters per day or 7.99 liters per minute. The second

[0:59:47] Voice 1: calculation is for fire demand. The minimum water supply according to the

[0:59:53] Voice 1: standard on water supply for suburban and rural firefighting was determined to

[0:59:58] Voice 1: be 21,050 liters per day.

[1:00:00] Voice 1: liters. However, that was superseded by Galeano Fire Department, where their requirement is

[1:00:07] Voice 1: 90,850 liters, which we designed for this amount. The third one is reservoir design.

[1:00:15] Voice 1: So all of this water is going to be storage in reservoirs on site. And the reservoir design

[1:00:24] Voice 1: design is based on balancing storage, fire storage, and emergency storage. And the required

[1:00:29] Voice 1: total reservoir was determined to be 128,725 liters. And I would just like to note that

[1:00:37] Voice 1: this exceeds design guidelines requirements where we agreed with the LTC that to increase

[1:00:47] Voice 1: the emergency storage for I believe the safety factor was three when it comes to

[1:00:57] Voice 1: water quality and monitoring so the treatment of the well water will be

[1:01:01] Voice 1: required through a multi-barrier approach including UV disinfectant media

[1:01:07] Voice 1: filter and chlorine and the monitoring of water quality and usage will need to

[1:01:12] Voice 1: occur on a regular basis and this project assumes to have water meters installed for each unit

[1:01:19] Voice 1: individually for the proper management and basically the monitoring of the use of the

[1:01:28] Voice 1: water well. Next slide please. When it comes to water conservation and storm water management,

[1:01:36] Voice 1: the idea is to try to maintain the same conditions as before the actual

[1:01:43] Voice 1: development. So stone water design is based on stone water collection from the

[1:01:50] Voice 1: old solid surfaces and it would be collected in individual tanks next to

[1:01:57] Voice 1: each building and it is considered to be used for irrigation or on-site

[1:02:06] Voice 1: occasional discharge. The water conservation will be based on a variety of unforeseeable

[1:02:14] Voice 1: and voluntary measures, including legal operations and management and community engagement criteria.

[1:02:20] Voice 1: And of course, there are section 219 covenants that Brad, I believe, talked about earlier.

[1:02:28] Voice 1: Next slide, please. And this is basically the slide that shows conceptual site servicing plan.

[1:02:38] Voice 1: You can see that all collection for each building is run on the main line that is collected.

[1:02:48] Voice 1: First, it's individual buildings and then it continues to the main.

[1:02:55] Voice 1: sorry this includes also I apologize this includes a site site servicing plan includes the septic

[1:03:05] Voice 1: system collection and discharge so we do have a septic system report that includes the dispersal

[1:03:14] Voice 1: field locations and on this site plan we can see basically collection from each individual unit and

[1:03:22] Voice 1: building that collects at individual tanks that are then by gravity taken to

[1:03:29] Voice 1: the sewage tank at the bottom of the site next to the Georgeson Bay road

[1:03:38] Voice 1: where and then from there it is pumped uphill and dispersed into fields as

[1:03:45] Voice 1: proposed by septic consultant we see the proposed reservoir currently the

[1:03:52] Voice 1: location is just a placeholder in a way where the exact location will be determined later on

[1:04:00] Voice 1: in a design phase there is also proposed that the laundry facility on site that will

[1:04:09] Voice 1: use different type of measures for water discharge and then we have the water domestic line water

[1:04:19] Voice 1: water suppression line and water for hydrants

[1:04:21] Voice 1: that will be connected to the water well

[1:04:23] Voice 1: and will be used as per the reservoir

[1:04:27] Voice 1: and the water demand calculations.

[1:04:31] Voice 1: I believe that was it for, yes, thank you.

[1:04:37] Voice 12: Thanks.

[1:04:43] Voice 12: So I wanted to speak

[1:04:45] Voice 11: a little bit

[1:04:46] Voice 11: about the affordability criteria

[1:04:49] Voice 11: or requirements that the project has proposed.

[1:04:55] Voice 11: proposed. And these are found both in the reasoning application and all the documents

[1:05:01] Voice 11: associated with that, but also show up again in the housing agreement, which would essentially

[1:05:07] Voice 11: form a restrictive covenant on title to the property. It really is intended to preserve

[1:05:14] Voice 11: the affordability of units and ensure that this remains community non-market housing

[1:05:20] Voice 11: housing for the long term as opposed to being at risk of changing hands and referring to Dr. Mark Leventel.

[1:05:30] Voice 11: So in our resuming application, essentially the society indicated that maximum the rents for the project would be kept below 30% of representative median income.

[1:05:47] Voice 11: So this is essentially our basic definition, and it aligns with the Southern Gulf Islands housing needs assessment

[1:05:55] Voice 11: in a way that the consultant back at that time had sort of identified, you know, what is the definition of affordability here,

[1:06:04] also aligns with sort of definitions that Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation is housing, and

[1:06:09] Voice 11: most groups subscribe to.

[1:06:11] Voice 11: So what does it mean? What it means in our case is that the units will, on average, have rents set at or below 30% of the board tax median household income for Southern Gulf Islands electrical area, as reported by Statistics Canada, for representative household types.

[1:06:31] Voice 11: So this is what that means. I'm trying to provide you with some examples here.

[1:06:38] Voice 11: The housing agreement further provides this sort of additional level of clarity and indicates that the rent for a one-bedroom rental housing unit in a calendar year will, on average, be at or below 30% of the average of an income of one-person households and income of couples without children.

[1:06:59] So essentially, who is likely to be living in one bedroom units?

[1:07:03] Either a single individual household, or it's a couple without children.

[1:07:09] So you take the two stats, median household incomes of those two, take an average,

[1:07:15] and

[1:07:16] Voice 11: then any one bedroom, all the one bedroom units in the property,

[1:07:20] Voice 11: and there are ten of them proposed, when you take the average of their rents,

[1:07:24] Voice 11: they cannot be in excess of 30 of those median household incomes when they've been averaged

[1:07:30] Voice 11: together it's a little confusing i do apologize if

[1:07:34] Voice 9: anybody's interested i'm

[1:07:35] Voice 11: happy to follow up

[1:07:36] Voice 11: outside of this and can provide an actual sort of numerical examples uh rent for a two-bedroom

[1:07:42] Voice 11: rental housing unit an accounting year will on average be at a low of 30 of the income of

[1:07:49] Voice 11: couples with children and the income of lone parent families. And then the rent for a three-bedroom

[1:07:55] rental

[1:07:56] Voice 11: housing unit in town review year one after the high school purchase, the income of couples with children.

[1:08:03] Voice 11: So again these are these are sort of ceilings, these are caps for the affordability of the rents

[1:08:09] Voice 11: that can be charged on the project. Of course the society's and New Commons' role is to deliver

[1:08:17] units that are as affordable as possible. But at this stage of the project, we don't know who the

[1:08:23] funder is going to be. And every funder has a different sort of affordability program that

[1:08:29] they're trying to deliver. If this project ends up being funded through BC Housing's Community

[1:08:34] Housing

[1:08:34] Voice 11: Fund, it's going to look one way. And there will be three different tiers of rents

[1:08:40] Voice 11: ranging all the way from sort of very low income shelter rate type units up to market rate units.

[1:08:46] Voice 11: but if the project isn't successful in securing funding for dc housing it may devote to other

[1:08:52] funders like the canada virgin housing corporation for funding

[1:08:55] Voice 11: and they have very different

[1:08:57] Voice 11: requirements their affordability measures are based on their you know what they've measured

[1:09:02] Voice 11: to be the median market rent in any different area and the affordable units have to be less

[1:09:08] Voice 11: than 80 percent of those median market rents um so there's there's a lot of uncertainty around the

[1:09:15] Voice 11: the funder for the housing and therefore the final

[1:09:19] Voice 11: sort of affordability, you know, matrix

[1:09:22] of what the rents are gonna look like.

[1:09:25] But

[1:09:25] Voice 11: we now have sort of a ceiling provided

[1:09:28] Voice 11: by this housing agreement.

[1:09:31] Voice 11: The other point I wanna make on this is in respect

[1:09:34] Voice 11: to any market units that may be in the development,

[1:09:38] Voice 11: because most programs, regardless of the funder,

[1:09:40] Voice 11: have a requirement that some of the units need market.

[1:09:45] Voice 11: There is also a cap in the housing agreement as to, you know, the incomes that are eligible to rent in the project at all.

[1:09:55] Voice 11: And those are based on BC Housing's posted low to moderate income limits for the province as a whole.

[1:10:02] Voice 11: They do update them from time to time.

[1:10:04] Voice 11: But I can tell you that for households residing in anything smaller than a two-bedroom unit, that household can't make more than about $74,000.

[1:10:13] Voice 11: dollars and for anybody residing in a two-bedroom or larger unit it can't be any higher than about

[1:10:19] Voice 11: 114 000 based on their most recent data next slide and then a little bit more on funding

[1:10:31] so

[1:10:31] Voice 11: again a little uncertainty as to where the funding for the project is going to come from

[1:10:36] Voice 11: and this whole process is one step in the process of getting us there

[1:10:41] Voice 11: Housing Corporation, DC Housing, most of them won't really look at a funding application

[1:10:48] Voice 11: until the property that's being proposed for the project has been zoned, like has appropriate

[1:10:54] Voice 11: zoning in place.

[1:10:55] Voice 11: So this rezoning process is very much sort of, you know, one very large and meaningful

[1:11:01] Voice 11: first step towards kind of making applications for this funding and implementing the project.

[1:11:10] Voice 11: but the funding strategy for the project is really sort of a combination of a number of different

[1:11:16] Voice 11: uh funding mechanisms so galley's society is providing the land for the project

[1:11:25] Voice 11: so there's a land equity contribution that certainly has value to build on

[1:11:30] um galley's also proposing to undertake and is already undertaking

[1:11:35] Voice 6: community fundraising through

[1:11:36] Voice 11: to raise the roof auctions that are happening that believe in partnership with feeders

[1:11:40] their housing society and

[1:11:44] Voice 11: galley has also secured a status as a charitable non-profit society so

[1:11:50] Voice 11: has the ability to take charitable donations and receive those donations towards the project the

[1:11:57] Voice 11: project has also been successful in securing a number of pre-development funding grants and

[1:12:03] Voice 11: contributions through our small communities initiative both in the form of a grant and

[1:12:09] development consulting support and commons isn't hasn't charged anything for the work

[1:12:14] on this project and we hope to at one point but we'll only have if the project is successful

[1:12:22] when moving forward

[1:12:23] Voice 11: um cmhcc funding uh the project secured approximately fifty thousand

[1:12:29] Voice 11: dollars in seed funding from the canada origin housing corporation it's been

[1:12:33] Voice 11: And all of these funds have essentially been fully

[1:12:35] expanded at this point.

[1:12:38] And there was some funding that came through the capital

[1:12:41] regional districts as well.

[1:12:43] Unconfirmed funding that we are still looking at,

[1:12:46] Voice 11: the Community Housing Transformation Center

[1:12:48] Voice 11: has grants available for groups to build capacity

[1:12:51] to be able to implement projects like this.

[1:12:55] And the Federation of Community Municipalities

[1:12:57] Municipal Fund also now has a housing dedicated fund

[1:13:04] application too

[1:13:05] Voice 11: but haven't heard back on yet uh and then for the big

[1:13:08] Voice 11: capital project uh funding

[1:13:10] Voice 5: applications

[1:13:11] Voice 11: obviously we're looking to you know we're talking with bc housing we're talking with

[1:13:15] Voice 11: cmhc and the national housing co-investment fund as well as fcm and we've met several times with

[1:13:22] Voice 11: the capital regional district to see if the housing first program or other programs under

[1:13:26] Voice 11: their portfolio might be a fit and we'll continue to have those conversations as they sort of look

[1:13:33] Voice 11: to update and and those

[1:13:37] Voice 12: programs that's i think that was my last slide

[1:13:45] Voice 12: yeah

[1:13:46] Voice 11: so thanks everybody for all the patients i'm sure there are a number of questions so just to

[1:13:52] Voice 11: summarize uh let's put up here on this slide what we're looking for is one unit of affordable rental

[1:13:58] Voice 11: housing on the property that would be owned and managed on a continuous you know in perpetuity

[1:14:06] many basis by galley

[1:14:07] Voice 11: local non-profit organization and less than 10 percent of the 10 acres

[1:14:14] Voice 11: proposed to be used for the housing development so the great majority of the

[1:14:20] Voice 11: land would be left in natural forest we're looking at a mix of unit types

[1:14:27] Voice 11: and clustered in four buildings to really minimize the ecological footprint and impact

[1:14:36] Voice 11: Deanna has gone through in detail the rental structure, but it's kind of complicated, but it's all designed to ensure affordability for residents of the housing.

[1:14:51] Voice 11: housing tenant selection will be based on what's laid out in the housing agreement with

[1:14:57] Voice 11: the trust and also in whatever operating agreement with an operating agreement with a major capital

[1:15:05] Voice 11: funders so they will have some criteria about tenant selection but we have been really clear

[1:15:11] Voice 11: that the priority for will be given to current Galliano residents and Galliano First Nations

[1:15:19] Voice 11: and indigenous community members so i think that wraps up what we had to present to you

[1:15:25] Voice 11: i know it's a lot of information and i just expect thank you very much and thanks for

[1:15:32] Voice 11: your presentation uh so this is the opportunity to ask questions um so i would ask

[1:15:37] Voice 11: you if you

[1:15:38] Voice 11: had to have a question if you know who you'd like to address the truth and otherwise we'll

[1:15:43] Voice 11: try and find the best person to answer yes go ahead please stay here my

[1:15:48] Voice 7: name is mary jean elliott

[1:15:50] Voice 7: and i've my property

[1:15:52] Voice 6: borders 550 feet of the jelly bean property and so i am naturally concerned about

[1:16:03] Voice 6: any effect of the project on my property my

[1:16:13] Voice 7: first question is or i would like to say first of all

[1:16:16] Voice 7: that i approved of the project with one exception that it's too dense to

[1:16:26] Voice 7: make me feel good about the water usage and the sewer runoff and the storm sewer because

[1:16:39] Voice 7: if i can can i use a map what's

[1:16:43] Voice 10: your question maybe you could ask your question

[1:16:47] Voice 7: There has been no research, a very thorough research on the property itself, the project property itself, but there's been no research on my bordering property.

[1:17:01] Voice 7: And I have 15,

[1:17:05] Voice 6: approximately 15, 600-year

[1:17:09] Voice 7: -old growth fir trees on my property, and I think Keith knows that.

[1:17:14] Voice 7: but they have not and it's also they're also drinking from the same recharge area that the

[1:17:23] Voice 7: water will be taken from for the project and my concern is in dry periods are my

[1:17:33] Voice 7: 15 16 year old old growth fir trees going to be sustained without or are they going to die

[1:17:43] Voice 7: from that water with that much water being

[1:17:47] Voice 6: drawn from the same recharge

[1:17:49] Voice 7: area okay well

[1:17:51] Voice 7: that's one

[1:17:52] Voice 7: question i i would like the trees are approximately 400 feet from the closest house or

[1:17:59] Voice 7: and i know he has researched that the two overall trees that are found at the north end

[1:18:07] Voice 7: on the project property are far enough away from whatever to be okay but um the recharge area

[1:18:18] Voice 7: comes further

[1:18:19] Voice 6: south of those old growth trees in that bond area at the north and

[1:18:25] Voice 7: so i'm concerned

[1:18:26] Voice 7: about that i when i what i'm saying is i would like to know that my property is going to be

[1:18:37] Voice 7: sound ecologically if this project goes through and i i believe in low-cost housing i think it

[1:18:45] Voice 7: can be done properly and they've done a wonderful job of all the research on the property itself

[1:18:50] Voice 7: but nothing has been done my my property bordering the property has not even been

[1:18:56] Voice 7: mentioned the fact the senior housing property has been mentioned

[1:19:10] Voice 7: but i feel for a proper environmental

[1:19:13] Voice 6: study it's ordering properties should be

[1:19:17] Voice 6: so

[1:19:18] Voice 11: maybe we'll see if we can get someone to answer your question about the trees that are

[1:19:23] Voice 11: on your property and whether anyone has an idea and then i can come back to you for another

[1:19:27] Voice 11: question one

[1:19:28] Voice 7: more question um just for curiosity is the address of the uh project property

[1:19:41] Voice 7: uh holy or pass road on the land title or is it george's and bay road okay

[1:19:47] Voice 11: maybe we'll

[1:19:48] Voice 7: have to be

[1:19:50] Voice 11: let's do the easy one yeah so the addresses are actually assigned by the fire department

[1:19:56] Voice 11: uh initially and um the the property is registered with you know all its opid and all of that kind of

[1:20:04] Voice 11: identification

[1:20:04] Voice 6: but the

[1:20:05] Voice 11: city the civic address has uh we have requested the south galliano fire

[1:20:12] Voice 11: department to change the civic address the driveway address from the foreigner pass road side

[1:20:19] where uh we are

[1:20:21] Voice 11: not using and that's not how the property will be accessed

[1:20:24] Voice 7: so so

[1:20:27] Voice 11: the uh we requested a change in the civic address and it is it has been approved

[1:20:35] Voice 11: by the fire department and we'll be it's going through its normal updating databases so it's

[1:20:42] Voice 11: the new address is 280 uh georgeson bay road

[1:20:46] Voice 6: right next door all

[1:20:48] Voice 11: right so let's see about

[1:20:51] Voice 11: your first question about the trees and the assessment and what was taken into account

[1:20:55] Voice 11: can we answer that question first is that all right and we'll get that answer and then i'll

[1:21:06] Voice 11: that okay

[1:21:06] Voice 5: i

[1:21:09] Voice 11: would uh having seen the trees that you're specifically referring to on your property

[1:21:16] Voice 11: um so i can't definitively give you an answer but um um my instinct is that the development

[1:21:27] Voice 11: it will will be far enough away from those trees that it will not directly impact their

[1:21:34] Voice 11: their rooting zones and their, and the surrounding soils in which they are, that those trees

[1:21:41] Voice 11: are.

[1:21:41] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:21:42] Voice 11: So, so that's one sort of level.

[1:21:45] Voice 11: And then my, while I don't, I don't have specific expertise.

[1:21:51] Voice 11: I would, my instinct is that, um, the ground water table, um, will not be altered enough

[1:22:02] Voice 11: enough by you know this particular development to impact the water table uh significantly enough to

[1:22:12] Voice 11: to pose a threat to those trees on your property if there would be because that would take a lot

[1:22:20] Voice 11: of water to use there's a difference between looking at the groundwater impact on the

[1:22:25] Voice 11: vegetation versus the um like surface water impact if you were creating a ditch or something

[1:22:32] Voice 11: and diverting water and changing the the cervical hydrology of the land um that would be more

[1:22:38] Voice 11: concerned to me in terms of the health of those trees than the impact on the water like the water

[1:22:44] Voice 11: that's pulling out of the ground on those trees so my gut while i haven't researched it would be

[1:22:50] Voice 11: that they will not be impacted

[1:22:53] Voice 7: one more question um the changing of the field the stormwater field

[1:23:01] Voice 7: or septic field which are just down to the west side from up at the top down to the west side

[1:23:07] Voice 7: that whole west side is a cliff and it's running directly down onto my property

[1:23:13] Voice 7: onto a stream or ditch that runs into my pond that onto other trees yeah now

[1:23:23] Voice 7: i'm worried about

[1:23:24] Voice 7: in heavy rainfall and flooding that will affect the environment

[1:23:32] Voice 11: on my property's agricultural side

[1:23:36] Voice 11: so yeah i i out for the the concern about uh like runoff storm water runoff from the development i

[1:23:48] Voice 11: would i would um refer to the uh by that the um engineering water management plan yeah speaks in

[1:24:00] Voice 11: some detail about the storm water handling of bioswales and so on to ensure there isn't

[1:24:07] Voice 11: surface.

[1:24:09] Voice 7: There's also quite a steep downhill ecology to the south

[1:24:19] Voice 6: as well as to the west.

[1:24:21] Voice 3: Part of the south will affect my property because my property is all the way up the west side right

[1:24:28] Voice 3: down to Turf or some big road. So I'm worried about runoff in both the south and the west.

[1:24:35] yeah and again all i can say i think yeah what i could say is if you look at the client engineering

[1:24:43] report um the water management plan the goal the intent and the

[1:24:50] the plan is that there will be no change to the water uh

[1:24:57] Voice 11: how the water you know what runoffs

[1:25:01] Voice 11: that lot, it will all be handled on the one.

[1:25:04] Voice 11: So both, on both sides, the west and the south.

[1:25:10] Voice 6: Yeah, I gather that from all the research

[1:25:13] Voice 6: and the engineering studies that have been done,

[1:25:16] Voice 6: but my property for 47 years,

[1:25:21] and for the first year, last winter,

[1:25:24] which was a really, really rainy winter,

[1:25:26] Voice 6: it was

[1:25:27] Voice 7: flooding onto George and Dave from my property.

[1:25:31] Voice 7: So, I'm thinking ahead,

[1:25:35] Voice 6: I probably won't live much

[1:25:37] Voice 7: ahead, but I

[1:25:40] Voice 3: think that first of all I'm disappointed that I wasn't consulted

[1:25:46] Voice 7: because I'm next door to the project.

[1:25:49] Voice 5: And

[1:25:50] Voice 7: I think for the job of the Island Trust, who is to preserve and protect the whole island,

[1:25:55] Voice 7: I think when a project is presented like this, which is a big, it's a big intrusion onto

[1:26:05] Voice 7: the natural environment to have 50 people in a, it's actually only a 7.5 acre property

[1:26:13] Voice 7: because the rest is setbacks and the barrier is, it's a big

[1:26:19] Voice 7: intrusion onto the environment

[1:26:22] Voice 7: environment for a good reason but still it should be more it should be further the surrounding area

[1:26:31] Voice 7: should be considered more and so i hope that the island's trust in future bylaws and applications

[1:26:40] Voice 7: nations will consider neighboring

[1:26:41] Voice 6: so i i'm

[1:26:46] Voice 11: going to see

[1:26:47] Voice 7: if there's

[1:26:48] Voice 11: another sorry you have another

[1:26:51] Voice 11: question

[1:26:51] Voice 7: another

[1:26:53] Voice 11: question

[1:26:55] Voice 6: consider 10 properties instead of 20 properties in that

[1:27:04] Voice 7: area where it's

[1:27:06] Voice 7: it's heavily it's very heavily densely populated so

[1:27:10] Voice 11: let's get mr global to answer that question

[1:27:13] Voice 11: that's not the plan but yeah but i'm just going to say i think dion had a comment first

[1:27:17] Voice 11: but i was just going to respond to the question around the second field that's shown on the last

[1:27:24] Voice 11: side of the development um and you might recall i mentioned that there's a very limited amount

[1:27:30] Voice 11: of space there where a septic dispersal field could be located such that it would function

[1:27:35] Voice 11: properly and not result in the types of problems that you're you're concerned about right so

[1:27:41] Voice 11: So it's

[1:27:43] Voice 7: not going to do the job if it's not big enough.

[1:27:46] Voice 11: Well, it's not the only field, right?

[1:27:49] Voice 11: So the main dispersal field was proposed

[1:27:51] Voice 11: on the far side of that pump in that other location I showed.

[1:27:56] Voice 11: And the smaller one is intended to supplement it really only.

[1:28:01] Voice 11: And they would be sized appropriately

[1:28:03] by a professional, which I am not.

[1:28:06] I do the septic design to ensure that it doesn't, you know, it meets all of its permit requirements.

[1:28:13] Voice 7: Okay, one more question. Is there an allowance in the whole plan for maintenance and regular septic pumping and...

[1:28:22] Voice 11: Absolutely. And all of those systems will be permitted by health and need to be appropriately managed.

[1:28:29] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:28:30] Voice 11: shut up.

[1:28:31] Voice 11: No, thank you for your questions. I think those are valid questions.

[1:28:35] Voice 11: other questions for either the planner or for any of the presenters from the ask again yes go ahead

[1:28:43] i'd like to talk about the wire as well

[1:28:52] Voice 3: the

[1:28:52] Voice 11: monitoring goes from january to june but i didn't see any uh indication of monitoring

[1:28:58] Voice 11: during the drive season june to november of the well

[1:29:03] Voice 7: project well did that happen

[1:29:05] Voice 7: Well,

[1:29:06] Voice 12: I believe that happened in the previous year, 2021, and that report, I don't know if it's on the trustee's website, but we have a report from the previous year, and we are continuing to monitor the sea speed.

[1:29:24] Voice 5: We captured

[1:29:25] Voice 12: last year's very dry season, and we captured all the storm events in the past, and it's continuing to monitor the speed.

[1:29:35] Voice 12: So this summer, that was a requirement of the trust that

[1:29:45] Voice 12: that model can be done.

[1:29:46] Voice 12: And

[1:29:47] Voice 4: is 50-50 residents?

[1:29:49] Voice 4: Is that a little bit confused about that?

[1:29:55] Voice 5: No, I

[1:29:56] Voice 9: can't speak to that.

[1:29:57] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:30:00] Voice 11: Again, the estimated capacity and so on, it's too bad that my

[1:30:10] Voice 11: engineer isn't able to respond to the questions. But I

[1:30:15] Voice 11: understand from reading the reports is based on the standard

[1:30:20] Voice 11: formula for calculating residential capacity based on

[1:30:26] Voice 11: on size of units and number of bedrooms and and so that would that's the design uh number uh

[1:30:34] Voice 11: expected we could go up a couple go down a couple that kind of thing

[1:30:38] Voice 4: what is the number of entrance

[1:30:41] Voice 11: well it did it what is the total number of bedrooms i'd have to count them all up

[1:30:46] Voice 11: do it just give me a second four three bedrooms you can do it with me four three bedrooms four

[1:30:54] two bedrooms uh

[1:30:55] Voice 11: 12 20 20 there uh and then 12 more uh between

[1:31:01] Voice 5: the studios so it's

[1:31:04] Voice 11: a 32 beds

[1:31:11] Voice 11: okay we

[1:31:12] Voice 4: have 48 people

[1:31:13] Voice 11: in another development so

[1:31:15] Voice 4: it's a little bit confusing is

[1:31:21] Voice 11: there a question

[1:31:22] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:31:23] Voice 4: my question is, is 50 people the maximum for a development with 20 units as compared

[1:31:31] Voice 4: with another development with 12 units with

[1:31:35] Voice 3: 48 people?

[1:31:36] Voice 10: Well, the max. And that would be, I don't want to get into that too much, but it would

[1:31:42] Voice 10: be about the mix of housing and how big they are as well.

[1:31:47] Voice 11: I don't know how many, I can't

[1:31:49] Voice 11: recall the numbers, I guess.

[1:31:50] Voice 11: i

[1:31:51] Voice 7: can speak to that with number 48 for giggers was chosen using a hypothetical two people for

[1:31:58] Voice 7: each bedroom which we would never ever expect to happen with that project but it was estimated

[1:32:05] Voice 3: way over um what the expectations are because of concerns of neighbors near that project okay so

[1:32:13] Voice 10: let's not go into it thanks an application that was post-public hearing it's

[1:32:18] Voice 11: just an answer no

[1:32:19] Voice 11: i

[1:32:19] Voice 10: think

[1:32:20] Voice 11: as i understand the answer the projected maximum both in terms of the septic and the design

[1:32:32] Voice 11: is to that's the answer i'm hearing although i did hear the app the representatives say could

[1:32:38] Voice 11: go up a couple could go down a couple so that's the design is for 50 is a maximum of 50 people

[1:32:44] Voice 11: am i correct i don't want to answer on behalf of the civil engineering that was done and

[1:32:50] Voice 11: put forward the occupant count was based on design standards that they utilize in their industry

[1:32:58] Voice 11: the projects of this type the

[1:33:01] Voice 12: i think the challenge is

[1:33:04] Voice 11: going to come from a society

[1:33:05] Voice 11: in actually managing occupancy around this project, and that's something that the society is going to have to do both in terms of monitoring the actual water consumption that's occurring on the project and working with tenants to keep it within essentially what is being sort of written into restricted funds.

[1:33:27] Voice 11: And also, you know, wanting to give a house. So, you know, if you find that 50 people, they're not at their threshold, perhaps there is room for a couple more individuals, if they find that they're reaching that threshold at 48 individuals, then they may not be able to house 50.

[1:33:48] But it will be an operating exercise and sort of tension needs to be continuously working.

[1:33:58] Voice 6: Yes, Matt, question.

[1:34:00] Voice 7: Are the houses designed with wood stoves and smokestacks?

[1:34:06] And

[1:34:08] Voice 7: is there anything in the housing agreement about pets people can have?

[1:34:18] Voice 7: I have a sheep farm next door, and I am concerned about stray dogs.

[1:34:26] Voice 7: I know that the agricultural land reserve has made a covenant on the title to put a fence between my agricultural

[1:34:38] Voice 6: property and the housing property.

[1:34:41] Voice 6: But

[1:34:42] Voice 7: that doesn't take care of dogs. Keep my sheep in, but it won't keep the dogs out.

[1:34:49] Voice 10: Well, let's just ask that question. I don't recall the housing agreement having any provision related to pets.

[1:34:56] Voice 11: between

[1:34:57] Voice 9: the local trust

[1:34:58] Voice 11: committee so

[1:35:00] Voice 6: and the government normally maybe

[1:35:03] Voice 7: i don't know what the

[1:35:04] Voice 7: people that are

[1:35:06] Voice 6: the non-profit society that is running the rentals housing know that that fence

[1:35:17] Voice 7: that's on my

[1:35:19] Voice 6: property or

[1:35:20] Voice 7: between the housing property and my property has

[1:35:24] Voice 6: to be maintained

[1:35:25] Voice 6: gain at all times which is an expense that you'll probably have to put in with the rents

[1:35:31] Voice 11: uh well

[1:35:32] Voice 11: it's an expense for the overall

[1:35:33] Voice 11: project yeah sure there's

[1:35:36] Voice 6: three fences down on it or food

[1:35:38] Voice 6: three trees down on that fence personally thanks

[1:35:43] Voice 11: question behind this

[1:35:45] Voice 12: gentleman thank you uh

[1:35:47] Voice 12: just to refresh my memory the water maximum the slide showing the maximum water drop

[1:35:55] Voice 12: Your day was, I think, 11,500 something that leaders, leaders, leaders, leaders.

[1:36:06] Voice 12: So that's 250 meters per person.

[1:36:09] Voice 12: It's 230.

[1:36:12] Voice 12: Okay, yeah, thank you.

[1:36:14] Voice 5: Yes, question over here.

[1:36:16] Voice 6: How many accessible units are there? Four.

[1:36:21] Voice 6: And how many years are one floor?

[1:36:28] Voice 11: Well, two. All the three bedroom units are two-story.

[1:36:35] Voice 11: The buildings themselves are all two-story, but they're two-level, you know, entered from one side

[1:36:40] Voice 11: side or the other. But the majority of the units would be on a single level, but they're stacked,

[1:36:49] Voice 11: right? So, yeah.

[1:36:50] Voice 12: Six units have two stories within the same unit.

[1:36:56] Voice 11: Any other questions? Yes, sir.

[1:36:59] Voice 10: Go ahead.

[1:36:59] Voice 6: Would there be any access from four-minute passports? Sorry,

[1:37:03] Voice 10: I can't understand what you're saying.

[1:37:05] Voice 6: Would there be any access from four-minute passports into the development, or is it only

[1:37:10] Voice 6: it

[1:37:12] Voice 11: only from georgia any other questions yes

[1:37:22] architectural

[1:37:23] Voice 6: drawings of what the development will actually look like

[1:37:27] Voice 6: i mean

[1:37:32] Voice 5: at this stage in the process we're really just at sort

[1:37:38] Voice 11: of a schematic design which is

[1:37:40] Voice 11: is largely site plan development, like the drawings you saw, and unit layouts.

[1:37:47] Voice 11: If we do have a slide, if people are interested, I think we might have a slide that shows some of

[1:37:54] Voice 11: those unit layouts. But in terms of doing sort of like professional 3D renderings and sort of

[1:38:01] Voice 11: beyond the little hand-drawn sketch, it's just something that we

[1:38:06] Voice 11: haven't had the budget for

[1:38:08] Voice 11: at this stage and it's not really required uh you know as part of a rezoning submission package and

[1:38:15] Voice 11: we would expect to do that work as a project in the design development if we're successful

[1:38:22] at this stage and doesn't

[1:38:24] Voice 11: have the money to spend on that work unless if i can just add to that if

[1:38:32] Voice 11: you go to either the values trust website to the application package or to the galley website you

[1:38:38] Voice 11: can and go to the architectural uh report exact titles you'll see example floor plans laid out

[1:38:48] Voice 11: there for all the different units yeah

[1:38:50] Voice 6: it's not really poor plans i'm just wondering about for

[1:38:53] Voice 6: example a neighboring property and its two stories might

[1:38:57] Voice 4: be concerned about privacy and what windows

[1:39:00] Voice 4: those like overlook the neighbor and property those are usually things that you do see in a

[1:39:07] Voice 4: project development

[1:39:08] Voice 11: proposal before it follows through yeah yeah just uh uh i think dionne

[1:39:15] Voice 11: spoke about the slope and the terraces or benches on the slope one of the advantages of using those

[1:39:22] Voice 11: levels is that buildings are not going to be on the same level and they are not you know one

[1:39:30] Voice 11: after the other and everybody looking at each other, the topography of the property really

[1:39:37] Voice 11: lends itself to being able to situate the buildings such that people are able to look

[1:39:47] Voice 11: at the forest rather than looking at the neighborhoods. Any other questions? Yes, sir.

[1:39:57] Voice 11: go ahead so the uh in terms of earlier past just to clarify that is that that's not going to be

[1:40:02] Voice 11: used for anything or is like an emergency entrance you know

[1:40:06] Voice 12: there is no road that goes all the way

[1:40:08] Voice 12: through that

[1:40:09] Voice 11: entrance to the riparian area um and the less we do the less is done in that riparian

[1:40:17] Voice 11: area the better that keeps the comment about that so it would be cool well we haven't decided

[1:40:23] Voice 11: and whether

[1:40:23] Voice 12: the best thing is to decommission it or whether the fire department may wish to have

[1:40:29] Voice 12: some sort of access there not to get to the buildings which are on the other side but i mean

[1:40:35] Voice 12: who knows yeah but if

[1:40:38] Voice 11: if they were willing to decommission it i think we'd be quite okay with

[1:40:41] Voice 11: that too okay i'm not seeing any more questions so oh yes sir go ahead so i'm an immediate neighbor

[1:40:53] Voice 11: and they generally support the need for day housing and my concerns are it has to be done

[1:41:01] Voice 11: smartly and with consideration and this is a big experiment so in 20 units with once

[1:41:08] Voice 11: would there be a plan

[1:41:12] Voice 12: where you do 10 units see how it goes for five years see and assess

[1:41:16] Voice 12: the operation and the check the well and everything and then add more as an extension in the future

[1:41:25] well Dan did you have any comment about that there are economies of

[1:41:29] Voice 11: scale and structure

[1:41:30] Voice 11: I mean just sorry I'll move

[1:41:39] Voice 11: um on the economies of scale question I mean typically when you rezone a property you rezone

[1:41:45] Voice 11: it for a maximum build out and then if you decide to develop in two phases you can develop multiple

[1:41:52] Voice 11: multiple phases you can do that but all of the sort of infrastructure that needs to be put in

[1:41:58] in the

[1:41:59] Voice 11: first instance needs to support the sort of final build out of that proposed zoning so

[1:42:05] mike's comment about economies of scale

[1:42:07] Voice 11: you can shrink the development but you you know the

[1:42:12] Voice 11: roadways you know certainly water systems septic systems and so on those may need to be built out

[1:42:21] Voice 11: at that larger scale right off the bat and that puts a lot of cost onto the project and it's only

[1:42:28] Voice 11: able to divide that cost by certain units right funders of these types of affordable housing

[1:42:34] Voice 11: projects are fundamentally looking at how much housing can they deliver for their dollars and

[1:42:40] Voice 11: we compete with other non-profits who are also looking for this funding so it is a little bit

[1:42:47] Voice 11: challenging and we're trying to you know put forward a proposal for a project that we feel is

[1:42:53] Voice 11: you know implementable and not just going to sort of never get built because it can't secure the

[1:42:58] Voice 11: financing um and then there are certain you know michael i don't know if you want to speak to any

[1:43:04] Voice 11: of the sort of you know ownership related stuff around density as well but um you know not in any

[1:43:12] Voice 11: detail my comment would be the

[1:43:15] Voice 9: first

[1:43:16] Voice 11: thing i said today is we have a critical affordable housing

[1:43:21] Voice 11: situation on galliano here we have an opportunity to build 20 affordable secure

[1:43:28] Voice 11: for the residents housing units and we think we have a very suitable property well located

[1:43:39] Voice 11: I think done extensive research to show that the water supply is very sufficient water supply

[1:43:48] Voice 11: and that the property that the proposed development will serve a portion

[1:43:58] Voice 11: of this critical element and I think we need to do it.

[1:44:04] Voice 11: We need this and other developments so we can address.

[1:44:09] Voice 11: And I'll just say it again, we think this is a good site

[1:44:13] Voice 11: and it's quite capable of housing these residents.

[1:44:21] Voice 12: More questions?

[1:44:22] Voice 12: So that site location, they're surrounded with two roads.

[1:44:28] Voice 12: I think there's still room away from repairing area if you have a second exit on the other

[1:44:35] Voice 12: road to avoid congestion and traffic coming up and pouring into this speedy corner of

[1:44:41] Voice 12: Georgetown Bay and for evacuation or fire access I think if you could carefully consult

[1:44:51] Voice 12: and see if there's enough room for a road,

[1:44:55] Voice 12: it might be an advantageous thing to consider

[1:44:58] Voice 12: for all those reasons versus just shutting down

[1:45:04] Voice 12: and having a funnel and everybody wants to escape

[1:45:07] Voice 12: or in a fire or whatever, down one exit.

[1:45:12] Well, if we could get into this,

[1:45:15] I mean, but actually a page drive right next door

[1:45:18] has a number of residents that exit

[1:45:21] and we are directly across the viral uh so

[1:45:25] Voice 11: i'm just in terms of emergency services we really

[1:45:28] Voice 11: want to have the housing located to the south just think about the footprint of trying to construct

[1:45:35] Voice 11: over difficult terrain a road all the way through from portugal pass to where the houses will be

[1:45:48] Voice 5: that's your answer thank

[1:45:52] Voice 11: you for the question do you have more questions

[1:45:54] Voice 11: i do and remember we're gonna have a public hearing we'll be able to make your concerns

[1:45:58] Voice 11: known but at this is your time to get information thanks for all the work you guys are doing and

[1:46:06] Voice 11: trying to move it forward so this might be a bit too dense than the community needs or wants so

[1:46:14] Voice 11: it's not like uniformly acceptable but i

[1:46:17] Voice 9: echo with my

[1:46:19] Voice 12: neighbor that it should be more consultative

[1:46:23] Voice 12: to begin with and i had a meeting with colleen and

[1:46:27] Voice 11: i donated some money maybe years ago when

[1:46:30] Voice 11: it just board was for me with this but not in sense so uh um i hope that some of the feedback

[1:46:38] Voice 11: that you get from

[1:46:38] Voice 12: public is considered and in the way that it benefits the community and maybe put

[1:46:46] Voice 11: put some slides with bios for units, number of pets and dogs

[1:46:52] Voice 11: like they do in the city because it becomes a development which

[1:46:54] Voice 11: is denser than we haven't seen. It's like a hotel. So things of

[1:46:59] Voice 11: that nature shouldn't be like, just waiting off.

[1:47:03] Voice 12: It's more of a

[1:47:06] Voice 12: balance.

[1:47:06] Voice 11: So I hope we find that.

[1:47:13] Voice 11: Yeah, so there really wasn't a question. But what I'll say is,

[1:47:16] Voice 11: as always uh all materials on our website please feel free to talk to the applicant if you have

[1:47:22] Voice 11: more suggestions for their for their application uh we this is our as we said this is our second

[1:47:27] Voice 11: community information meeting so it's the second time we've been through this public process with

[1:47:32] Voice 11: folks and um i'm not seeing any other hands up oh

[1:47:38] Voice 10: there is one more hand yes um uh okay so before

[1:47:43] Voice 10: Before I finish, I'll close it. Yes, sir.

[1:47:46] Voice 11: I couldn't

[1:47:47] Voice 11: really see the PowerPoint. I'll walk them back here.

[1:47:51] Voice 11: During the discussion about the water testing and the lighting,

[1:47:59] Voice 11: there was something about, there had been a test, a 12-hour pump test,

[1:48:04] Voice 11: a number of years ago, probably the original one.

[1:48:07] Voice 11: But then there were two, I believe it's,

[1:48:10] Voice 8: to show that there were two 72-hour pump tests one

[1:48:13] Voice 11: in 2018 and one in 2020.

[1:48:17] Voice 11: I just wanted to know why would a pump test of that length have been done?

[1:48:23] Voice 11: Well

[1:48:24] Voice 10: I think Mr. Coad addressed that but you can address it again if you want to.

[1:48:27] Voice 12: Yeah in terms of bedrock wells there's often a lot of uncertainty because we're dealing with

[1:48:33] Voice 12: fractures in the bedrock system and the ministry of its lands forests they have a a standard

[1:48:41] Voice 12: document now guidelines to testing for bedrock wells that are used for

[1:48:46] Voice 8: you know if you're going

[1:48:47] Voice 8: to be investing a lot of money in a project then that well needs to be tested to the highest

[1:48:53] Voice 8: standards

[1:48:53] Voice 12: that that

[1:48:55] Voice 8: are acceptable to the

[1:48:56] Voice 8: province and also for

[1:48:57] Voice 12: the application for the water license

[1:49:00] Voice 12: So that 72 hours

[1:49:04] Voice 8: is the minimum

[1:49:04] Voice 12: testing required for federal wells in British Columbia.

[1:49:09] Voice 12: Now initially in

[1:49:10] Voice 8: 2018,

[1:49:12] Voice 12: we tested that well, but there was concerns that it was tested during a relatively wet November.

[1:49:23] Voice 12: Because you know what happens here in November. It's pretty, especially like last year, it was pretty dramatic.

[1:49:30] Voice 12: at it.

[1:49:31] Voice 8: So it was decided not by myself, I thought that that test

[1:49:36] Voice 8: was sufficient. I didn't expect as well differently. So it was

[1:49:41] Voice 8: really but it was retested for this development again. And the

[1:49:46] Voice 8: results were essentially comparable. And it was tested

[1:49:51] Voice 8: during a very dry October. Which, which shows you in some

[1:49:58] Voice 8: some cases, in this particular case, two

[1:50:00] Voice 12: very expensive tests, those tests cost like $50,000

[1:50:04] Voice 12: to do. We have the same results. So I think it's

[1:50:10] Voice 8: important that we verify this and that

[1:50:14] Voice 8: information is available. Now, the development is not going to use the amount of water that

[1:50:21] Voice 8: was even proven during those tests. It's

[1:50:24] Voice 12: using maybe three quarters of that amount.

[1:50:29] Voice 12: So in terms of this well, and I've been involved in this well for 10 years now, not that I

[1:50:36] Voice 12: ever knew that was going to happen, but I have a certain confidence that this well is

[1:50:41] Voice 12: capable of producing the water that's going to be required by

[1:50:45] Voice 8: this property, this housing

[1:50:48] Voice 8: project, without any significant

[1:50:50] Voice 12: effects on neighboring wells.

[1:50:53] Voice 12: We know what the effects are on neighboring wells, and they're basically all manageable

[1:50:57] Voice 12: at this point.

[1:51:00] Voice 5: Thank you very much. So to

[1:51:02] Voice 8: what extent would you describe the 72 hour pump

[1:51:06] Voice 11: test as the industry standard?

[1:51:09] Voice 11: Well, that's documented in the Provincial Guidelines.

[1:51:13] Voice 12: There's a document. If you go online, you can just do testing at Wells in BC, you'll get that document.

[1:51:19] Voice 8: And it's related. It's fairly detailed for the, particularly for a water license application.

[1:51:27] Voice 8: application. And this project has a lot of license, they have it's been reviewed by the

[1:51:33] Voice 8: provincial authorities.

[1:51:34] Voice 12: And I can tell you, they are very thorough in, in their

[1:51:39] Voice 12: analysis, I've seen documentation that they do. And they don't handle these licenses

[1:51:46] Voice 12: without review.

[1:51:49] Voice 12: review okay

[1:51:52] Voice 11: thanks go ahead all right well uh thank you very much tonight as i said please

[1:51:59] Voice 11: feel free to review the material that's on the website there's a lot of reports

[1:52:04] Voice 11: uh and a reminder that there is a plan to have a plan a schedule of public hearing

[1:52:11] Voice 11: uh for this

[1:52:13] Voice 10: particular application on uh on september the 27th

[1:52:18] Voice 10: i go around the same time as today and that's going to be an opportunity to make your more

[1:52:25] Voice 10: your views known about about whether you support the bylaws that are uh that are being proposed by

[1:52:32] Voice 10: by the applicant and by hill island strong so thank you with that for the best i'm going to

[1:52:37] Voice 10: close this community information

[1:52:38] Voice 11: meeting connect if i

[1:52:40] Voice 10: could just make

[1:52:40] Voice 11: a brief statement uh we would

[1:52:43] Voice 11: be happy that is galley would be happy to talk to anybody who has funny questions or wants to

[1:52:47] Voice 11: further discuss the questions that were raised at this community information meeting thanks

[1:52:54] Voice 10: thanks very much

[1:52:55] Voice 10: um i'm going to move right on because we do have another community information

[1:52:59] Voice 10: meeting and a public hearing i expect it'll be quite a bit shorter but someone please just uh

[1:53:05] Voice 10: yell at tahira and ask her to come back in she's i think she's across the street here she comes

[1:53:14] Voice 11: um so the next item of business is 6.2 which is the which is our actual our project if anybody

[1:53:22] Voice 11: was just here for this present for the cif and you want to leave this would be a good time to

[1:53:28] Voice 11: do that as we set up for the next uh application uh the next item on the agenda is our project

[1:53:37] Voice 11: uh on el 64 68 72 and 87 this is a rezoning project this is not an application this is a

[1:53:47] Voice 11: zoning project that the uh the local trust committee undertook uh earlier this year i

[1:53:53] Voice 11: believe you know i have to do this so i'll just let

[1:53:57] Voice 11: people that are leaving please to

[1:54:02] Voice 11: to head to the exits and we'll reconvene and we'll start the community information meeting

[1:54:13] Voice 11: and then we're going to have a public hearing related to these particular bylaws uh so we'll

[1:54:19] Voice 11: get you to settle in over to you blenders thank you

[1:54:23] Voice 9: chair of our news so i will just

[1:54:26] Voice 9: provide a quick uh summary of the proposed bylaws and the purpose and uh what the next

[1:54:33] cuts would be depending on the

[1:54:34] Voice 9: decisions of the local trust community today so proposed bylaws 231

[1:54:39] Voice 9: and 232 are intended to uh rezone and redesignate the land of zoning and the ocp designation for

[1:54:49] Voice 9: four subject properties which are uh portions of district block 68 72 and just all of district

[1:54:57] Voice 9: block 87 as well as all of district block 64. uh district block 68 72 and 87 are all divided

[1:55:07] Voice 9: on the provincial ground and they are currently designated forest one or forest and zone plus one

[1:55:14] Voice 9: and uh district block 64 is currently on conservancy and it is uh designated rural and zone

[1:55:23] Voice 9: own world too. So the intent of these bylaw amendments is to rezone and re-designate all

[1:55:30] Voice 9: of these properties to nature protection. The bylaws were presented to the local trust committee

[1:55:39] Voice 9: on April 4th and given first reading. They were sent out to a number of provincial agencies and

[1:55:46] Voice 9: First Nations and no concerns were raised by those organizations or

[1:55:55] Voice 9: they were referred to we are at the stage now where with no significant community concerns

[1:56:03] Voice 9: register agency concerns staff are proposing to propose to conduct the cim and following

[1:56:13] Voice 9: this a public hearing this cim is an

[1:56:17] Voice 9: opportunity for the public to ask any questions of the proposed

[1:56:20] Voice 9: proposed by-law amendments.

[1:56:22] Voice 9: Following the CIM, the public hearing will be an opportunity

[1:56:25] Voice 9: for the community to state their any concerns

[1:56:30] Voice 9: or opinions around the proposed by-law amendments.

[1:56:37] Voice 9: Following the public hearing,

[1:56:39] Voice 9: the staff are recommending that the Local Trust Committee

[1:56:42] Voice 9: consider whether to give second and third reading

[1:56:45] Voice 9: of the proposed by-law amendments.

[1:56:47] Voice 9: If the Local Trust Committee decides to give

[1:56:49] Voice 9: second first third reading uh the next step will be executive committee approvals the staff will

[1:56:55] Voice 9: send the proposed bylaws to the executive committee for consideration of approval

[1:56:59] Voice 9: which is required of all island's trust bylaw amendments and because in this case we have an

[1:57:04] Voice 9: ocp amendment uh according to the accordance of the island's trust act all uh amendments to the

[1:57:11] Voice 9: uh official community plans in the island trust area require that the minister of municipal affairs

[1:57:17] Voice 9: also review the ocp uh amending bylaw and giving approval so the final step would be to

[1:57:24] Voice 9: send it to the ministry following the approval should that occur and if the ministry and the

[1:57:30] Voice 9: executive committee uh give approval then the final step would be then to return back to the

[1:57:35] Voice 9: trust committee for consideration of fourth reading and adoption okay

[1:57:40] Voice 11: so

[1:57:41] Voice 10: where this is a

[1:57:42] Voice 11: community information meeting on the bylaws and so this is your opportunity to ask any

[1:57:46] Voice 11: any questions that you may have related to the proposed bylaws.

[1:57:50] Voice 11: And the intention is for us to go to a public hearing shortly

[1:57:53] Voice 11: after, as soon as the community information meeting is

[1:57:56] Voice 11: completed. So if you have any questions, please raise your

[1:57:58] Voice 11: hand and I'll call on you to ask your questions. Go ahead.

[1:58:27] Voice 6: So we

[1:58:28] Voice 9: sent the bylaws to all of them, as we do with all bylaw amendments in our standard

[1:58:32] Voice 9: referral process.

[1:58:33] Voice 9: And we had no meaningful concerns raised by the Commission.

[1:58:39] Voice 7: Did you get any comments at all?

[1:58:43] Voice 9: we have a couple questions from by accident regarding uh the nature of the rezonings and

[1:58:49] Voice 9: the property ownership is

[1:58:52] Voice 6: it do you think it's important for the islands trust to provide some

[1:58:55] Voice 6: capacity funding so that indigenous groups can participate in a meeting

[1:59:02] Voice 9: don't see that as necessarily relevant to the uh proposal so

[1:59:06] Voice 9: sorry and was

[1:59:09] Voice 7: there any input of taylor district law 87 that probably aided in this interest

[1:59:14] Voice 7: was

[1:59:15] Voice 9: there any what sort of

[1:59:16] Voice 7: indigenous consultation and the second part of my question is as we know

[1:59:26] Voice 7: zoning

[1:59:27] Voice 6: this nature protection would not remove that particular status

[1:59:35] are resounding to nature protection would have no impact on street negotiations.

[1:59:41] Voice 9: The ownership of the

[1:59:48] Voice 6: stated

[1:59:48] Voice 9: they were referred to all of the first

[1:59:51] Voice 9: territorial claims to the

[1:59:57] Voice 9: to the question.

[2:00:00] Voice 9: uh in accordance with uh the provincial database and other than a few uh clarifying questions

[2:00:08] Voice 9: to the question

[2:00:11] Voice 11: over here in the corner um yeah so with respect to the district

[2:00:15] Voice 11: was there any mention of a future land

[2:00:23] Voice 11: and forward to the VCO part in the discussion of the zoning or

[2:00:29] Voice 5: not on the

[2:00:30] Voice 11: impersonation school.

[2:00:33] Voice 5: No.

[2:00:34] Voice 12: Well, maybe we can raise it.

[2:00:39] Voice 12: Other questions?

[2:00:51] Voice 5: Thanks.

[2:00:52] Voice 5: That's pretty clear.

[2:00:56] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:00:58] Voice 10: Thanks for that.

[2:01:01] Voice 10: Then with that, we're going to close the committee information meeting,

[2:01:06] Voice 10: and we're going to convene under 7.1, a

[2:01:10] Voice 11: public hearing on the proposed bylaws 231 and 232.

[2:01:15] Voice 11: You'll have to bear with me for a moment while I go through

[2:01:19] Voice 10: some of the formalities related to the public hearing.

[2:01:23] Voice 10: This is a public process that's mandated under the legislation of the Local Government Act.

[2:01:29] Voice 10: So this public hearing is being convened pursuant to Section 465 of the Local Government Act

[2:01:35] Voice 10: in accordance to consider the following proposed

[2:01:38] Voice 11: bylaws proposed bylaw number 231 site

[2:01:40] Voice 10: is the

[2:01:41] Voice 10: galliano official community plan bylaw number 108 1995 amendment number 14 to 11 and proposed bylaw

[2:01:49] Voice 10: 232 site is galliano island land use bylaw number 127 1999 amendment number 3 2011 all persons who

[2:01:59] Voice 10: believe that their interests and property is affected by the proposed bylaws be given a

[2:02:02] Voice 10: reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submissions respecting matters contained

[2:02:07] Voice 10: in the proposed bylaw. Those wishing to speak should commence the presentation by clearly

[2:02:12] Voice 10: stating their name and addresses. Members of the local trust committee may if they wish ask

[2:02:16] Voice 10: questions of you following your presentation how the main function

[2:02:19] Voice 11: of the local trust committee

[2:02:21] Voice 11: members is to listen to the views of the public. It is not the function of committee members to

[2:02:26] Voice 11: debate the merits of proposed bylaws with individual citizens.

[2:02:29] Voice 10: Everyone will be given

[2:02:30] Voice 10: a reasonable opportunity to be heard uh and none should feel discouraged in presenting his or her

[2:02:36] Voice 10: views in considering his or their views in considering the proposed bylaws the local trust

[2:02:41] Voice 10: committee has received documents which may influence this decision those documents are

[2:02:46] Voice 10: available for review during this hearing on our website and as then indicated on the public hearing

[2:02:51] Voice 10: notice any person who wishes to present a written submission to the local trust committee may do so

[2:02:56] Voice 10: and all written submissions must be received by the LTC before the close of the hearing.

[2:03:01] Voice 10: Your only opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaws is during this hearing,

[2:03:06] Voice 10: as members of the LTC may not receive further submissions after the close of the hearing.

[2:03:10] Voice 10: After this public hearing is concluded, the LTC may, without further notice,

[2:03:14] Voice 10: make whatever decision it deems proper with respect to the bylaws that are subject to the public hearing.

[2:03:20] Voice 10: Planner Blatt-Smith will now summarize the public hearing notice,

[2:03:24] Voice 10: key points of the by-law and referral agency response.

[2:03:28] Voice 9: Chair Rogers, I'll just bear with Fannie to read this out.

[2:03:32] Voice 9: A copy of the public hearing notice was advertised

[2:03:39] Voice 9: in two consecutive editions of the Driftwood

[2:03:41] Voice 9: on August 24th and August 31st, 2022.

[2:03:45] Voice 9: All notification requirements

[2:03:46] Voice 9: on the Local Government Act have been completed.

[2:03:49] Voice 9: There's a copy of the complete public hearing binder

[2:03:51] Voice 9: available during this public hearing

[2:03:53] Voice 9: and it's also located on the Islands Trust website.

[2:03:55] Voice 9: site the purpose of proposed bylaws number 231 and 232 if adopted will amend the galliano island

[2:04:03] Voice 9: official community plan bylaw number 108 and the galliano island land use pilot number 127

[2:04:08] Voice 9: by rezoning portions of district lot 68 72 and all of 64 and 87 to nature protection district

[2:04:17] Voice 9: lot 68 72 and 87 are owned by the provincial crowd in our currently designated forest and

[2:04:22] Voice 9: and Zone Forest 1.

[2:04:24] Voice 9: The Galliano Conservancy has recently required

[2:04:27] Voice 9: District Law 64.

[2:04:28] Voice 9: It is currently designated Rural and Zone Rural 2.

[2:04:31] Voice 9: Proposed bylaws will refer to the Minister of Environment,

[2:04:34] Voice 9: BC Parks, and Minister of Environment Lands Acquisition

[2:04:39] Voice 9: Department, Minister of Indigenous Relations

[2:04:41] Voice 9: and Reconciliation, Galliano Trail Society,

[2:04:44] Voice 9: Galliano Parks and Galliano Island Parks

[2:04:48] Voice 9: and Recreation Commission, Capital Regional District,

[2:04:51] Voice 9: and regional parks and community services the maine salt spring and the design and local trust

[2:04:55] Voice 9: committees for common it was also referred to couch and tribes the world first nation lake

[2:04:59] Voice 9: couch and first nation lioxin first nation malahat first nation musqueam indian van

[2:05:05] Voice 9: aquitian first nation penelope tribe semi-amu first nation tsunamis first nations to navy's

[2:05:12] Voice 9: first nation the star slip first nation say out first nation was the first nation

[2:05:17] Voice 9: SACIM, First Nation, and the WSANIC Leadership Council for Common.

[2:05:21] Voice 9: As of today, there's been three public submissions received.

[2:05:27] Voice 9: Thank you, Chair.

[2:05:35] Voice 11: Submissions can be made any time during until the close of the hearing.

[2:05:37] Voice 11: If any submissions are received during the meeting,

[2:05:41] Voice 11: we will pause prior to closing to ensure we have time to review those submissions.

[2:05:46] Voice 11: So now I will invite members of the

[2:05:48] Voice 10: public who wish to speak

[2:05:50] Voice 10: to put up your your name sorry put up your hand and then ask that you please state your name

[2:05:56] Voice 10: prior to making comments after the presentation and we may ask you questions

[2:06:00] Voice 11: but as i said earlier

[2:06:01] Voice 11: but we're primarily here to listen so are there any comments during this public hearing on this

[2:06:08] Voice 11: anybody wishes yes go ahead

[2:06:14] Voice 8: I wanted to give a little bit of background, going back a third of a century there were

[2:06:24] Voice 8: no protected areas on this island and we have been going through a very creative process

[2:06:32] Voice 8: for quite a few years in two separate land assembly projects both of which are represented

[2:06:40] Voice 8: in this rezoning application.

[2:06:42] Voice 8: And one is the Conservancy's efforts

[2:06:46] Voice 8: to create a marvelous mid-island protected area network.

[2:06:52] Voice 8: And the other is the creation of what has been called

[2:06:57] Voice 8: the North Galeano Parkland Corridor,

[2:07:01] Voice 8: which has been a partnership between BC Parks,

[2:07:04] Voice 8: the Galeano Trail Society,

[2:07:06] Voice 8: and some collaborating landlords.

[2:07:08] Voice 8: And over this 33 years, there have been something like 18 separate transactions, of which four

[2:07:20] Voice 8: of them are in its present application, to create what will be a protected area network

[2:07:26] Voice 8: extending the entire length of the north half of the island from the Gannard Drive neighborhood

[2:07:32] Voice 8: but right up to the indonesian point and the three of those application three of the properties are

[2:07:44] Voice 8: those belonging to bc parks which were purchased for the purpose of land assembly to expand to

[2:07:52] Voice 8: make a rich park and also expand the indonesia park with the aspiration of actually connecting

[2:07:59] Voice 8: the hills together. And this was like 87 was purchased

[2:08:06] Voice 8: specifically for a rezoning occupation that came before the

[2:08:12] Voice 8: trust about 14 years ago.

[2:08:19] Voice 8: Resume 79 85 and 86 in a package with those landowners and BC

[2:08:26] Voice 8: BC Parks as joint applicants with District Law 87, and thus create a big expansion of

[2:08:34] Voice 8: the New York Point Park, and open access to that park 14 years ago.

[2:08:40] Voice 8: And that project got derailed because the trust had given BC Parks some encouragement

[2:08:48] Voice 8: to proceed and then decided not to proceed.

[2:08:52] Voice 8: and so where we are at the moment is that there are a couple of rezoning applications

[2:08:59] Voice 11: i'd like you to state of this application and this proposal rather than

[2:09:03] Voice 11: talking about a variety

[2:09:05] Voice 11: of things that are not really okay well

[2:09:08] Voice 8: what is related is that this is part of the land assembly

[2:09:11] Voice 8: project that's really quite ambitious and i hope the trust can bring that to a com to a successful

[2:09:19] Voice 8: conclusion. And on that note, I very simply support the rezoning of these four parcels

[2:09:24] Voice 8: to nature protection. Thank you. Thank you very much.

[2:09:30] Voice 11: Stephen Ryback, 289 Linkletter. This is to the planner. Did you say that these

[2:09:41] Voice 11: bylaws were referred to the Galleon of Island Parks and Recreation Commission?

[2:09:49] Voice 11: i am a member of the commission and we

[2:09:55] Voice 12: have never seen a referral much less discussed one

[2:10:01] Voice 12: would you please check

[2:10:03] Voice 11: so all referrals the crd has requested that all referrals to commissions

[2:10:07] Voice 11: go through the crd referral clerk so if it was referred it would have been referred directly

[2:10:13] Voice 11: to the CRD's referrals person for further on referral on to parks conditions thank you very

[2:10:21] Voice 11: much you have any comments on the actual violence uh the only comments were that uh i would suspect

[2:10:31] Voice 11: that the parks and recreation permission would have supported uh proposed violence thanks very

[2:10:38] Voice 11: very much we have a question

[2:10:40] Voice 3: it looks uh it's it's listed as having a lot to edit

[2:10:45] Voice 3: for

[2:10:46] Voice 11: me the

[2:10:48] Voice 3: referral is listed as having a lot to edit uh

[2:10:52] Voice 11: he left the commission four years ago

[2:11:01] Voice 6: hey

[2:11:01] Voice 11: any other comments in this public here not seeing any hands so from uh uh i have to ask

[2:11:11] Voice 11: you got three times this is your second i'll ask a second time are there any other comments

[2:11:18] Voice 11: or submissions in this public hearing and

[2:11:23] Voice 10: i'll ask for a third time uh are there any comments final

[2:11:27] Voice 10: opportunity to hand any written submissions in does anybody have any comments in this public

[2:11:34] Voice 11: saying none uh i'm going to close the public hearing uh please be advised that we are now

[2:11:41] Voice 11: in the post public hearing uh stage of the legislative

[2:11:44] Voice 10: review of the proposed bylaws

[2:11:46] Voice 10: uh we can no longer receive submissions uh pertaining to those bylaws you can still submit

[2:11:51] Voice 10: any outstanding questions and comments directly to the planner the ltc may give further readings

[2:11:57] Voice 10: to the bylaws or defeat the bylaws or make minor amendments but do not affect the use of density

[2:12:02] Voice 10: and as a result uh and we actually have that on our agenda later today so with that uh i'm going

[2:12:09] Voice 10: to close the public meeting the recall to order for the regular meeting and

[2:12:13] Voice 11: uh we are now at the

[2:12:15] Voice 11: stage where we're at town hall um i recognize we've been at this for now uh almost two hours

[2:12:23] Voice 11: um i might how many speakers do i have in town hall one two and this would be i think if you

[2:12:32] Voice 11: want i know there's some folks from wise hall that want to black stop wise island that want to speak

[2:12:37] Voice 11: So Mr. Chair, would you like us to speak to the points

[2:12:41] Voice 11: in the town hall or as part of Dan's letter

[2:12:45] Voice 11: is in your courts?

[2:12:45] Voice 10: No, I'd like you to

[2:12:47] Voice 11: speak to your correspondence

[2:12:48] Voice 11: during the town hall.

[2:12:49] Voice 10: And then we'll be discussing your correspondence.

[2:12:53] Voice 10: So I know there's some folks from Wise Island.

[2:12:56] Voice 10: And so we probably have like eight,

[2:12:58] Voice 10: looks like maybe more.

[2:13:00] Voice 10: My experience is they tend to multiply

[2:13:02] Voice 10: once the conversation starts.

[2:13:04] Voice 10: I just need five minutes before,

[2:13:07] Voice 10: for and we'll reconvene with the town hall uh i just need to go for a comfort break so we'll

[2:13:12] Voice 10: just adjourn for five minutes come right back why

[2:13:16] Voice 11: wouldn't anybody want this job

[2:13:28] Voice 11: so

[2:13:28] Voice 10: this is uh our the key portion of the meeting uh that we call town hall or some places we're

[2:13:37] Voice 10: now starting to use a

[2:13:38] Voice 11: public commentary it's your opportunity to speak to the local trust committee

[2:13:43] Voice 11: related to items that are on our agenda or that are on our whether they're on our agenda today

[2:13:48] Voice 11: or that

[2:13:48] Voice 11: we're working on or that you frankly think we should be working on um so we have three rules

[2:13:55] Voice 11: of engagement uh they're broader

[2:13:58] Voice 10: and i can be more specific maybe but they basically are please speak

[2:14:02] Voice 10: to uh issues and not personality so don't please talk about what other people are doing uh but

[2:14:10] Voice 10: rather talk to whatever the issue is that you wish to speak to us about um and that's an issue that

[2:14:16] Voice 10: arises from time to time and it's what i talked about at the beginning of the meeting about

[2:14:21] Voice 10: correspondence

[2:14:21] Voice 11: and we encourage people in their correspondence to be this to be similarly engaged

[2:14:26] Voice 11: in a way that they're addressing issues rather than court rather than personalities

[2:14:30] Voice 10: um it becomes

[2:14:32] Voice 10: a bit of a problem if they don't that there's enough of that out there on social media we try

[2:14:38] Voice 10: not to do it here this is a place of work for all of us and it's also a community gathering

[2:14:43] Voice 10: space where people need to be feel safe the second thing we ask you is if you address any comments

[2:14:48] Voice 10: that you may have the local trust committee uh to your trustees and to myself if there's a question

[2:14:54] Voice 10: that needs to be answered that

[2:14:55] Voice 11: one of the staff can do we'll we'll turn to the staff and ask to

[2:14:59] Voice 11: do that and the third thing we ask real engagement if you will is please speak appropriately um

[2:15:05] Voice 11: And as I like to say, you know, speak in a way that your grandmother would be proud of you.

[2:15:13] Voice 11: And I had somebody say, you haven't met my grandma.

[2:15:18] Voice 11: But please speak appropriately.

[2:15:20] Voice 10: We

[2:15:21] Voice 11: don't utilize isms here.

[2:15:24] Voice 11: I won't stop you if I think your commentary has gone over the line.

[2:15:28] Voice 11: And I

[2:15:28] Voice 11: look forward to it.

[2:15:30] Voice 11: And I want to just say, if I can, to say I recognize we have some guests.

[2:15:34] Voice 11: or i call them guests people from wise island business welcome to the meeting um

[2:15:40] Voice 10: and uh

[2:15:42] Voice 10: so it's nice of you to come i've never had the pleasure to be there um

[2:15:48] Voice 11: but i've gone by it in

[2:15:49] Voice 11: a boat it's beautiful place as all the places in the southern gulf islands are so

[2:15:53] Voice 10: having said all

[2:15:54] Voice 10: of that i do like to group um matters and i remind you i don't see anybody here who i would recognize

[2:16:02] Voice 10: nice to someone who want to speak i remind you that we're we're now post public hearing on uh

[2:16:07] Voice 10: two applications well one application and one uh our own thing we just finished public hearing but

[2:16:13] Voice 10: we're post public hearing on the uh the giggers application so we will not be accepting any

[2:16:18] Voice 10: commentary related to that uh so uh just as a reminder i don't think we're close public hearing

[2:16:24] Voice 10: anything else other than the one we just finished uh so that's the rule so um i wouldn't mind

[2:16:32] Voice 10: grouping things and i would say this if you're here on either um galer or walker uh you uh sorry

[2:16:42] Voice 10: if you're an applicant on either galer or walker you'll have an opportunity to speak during those

[2:16:47] Voice 10: applications but if you wish you're not an applicant

[2:16:50] Voice 10: and you wish to speak on either of

[2:16:52] Voice 10: those things um please do so in town hall and i remind you if you also that if you wish to speak

[2:16:59] Voice 10: it uh on any of your correspondence that we have on our agenda because we're going to be discussing

[2:17:03] Voice 10: it a little bit later uh and the agenda you should also take this opportunity to speak in town hall

[2:17:08] Voice 10: so i know there's some folks here to talk maybe i'll uh give them the first opportunity some

[2:17:14] Voice 10: folks from wise island who might like to speak with us uh we generally i think given that it's

[2:17:20] Voice 10: not that big i'll i'll set a timer of

[2:17:22] Voice 11: three minutes and ask you to stay within that so

[2:17:25] Voice 11: yes go

[2:17:25] Voice 11: ahead maybe introduce yourself and go ahead thank you mr chair if we could start with

[2:17:30] Voice 11: dan helson who is the original uh islander who contacted you and then a few of the rest of us

[2:17:35] Voice 11: and then i'll just say

[2:17:38] Voice 10: please try and not be repetitive um and i will say we have asked and

[2:17:43] Voice 10: i think i've said this on the to you to you mr reed we have asked for a bylaw enforcement to

[2:17:49] Voice 10: come and speak to us about

[2:17:50] Voice 11: whatever it is that's going on on wise island after in camera so we

[2:17:55] Voice 11: we are aware of this so go ahead thank you thanks very much

[2:17:58] Voice 11: go ahead i'm

[2:17:59] Voice 8: just going to read off here

[2:18:03] Voice 11: hello trustees chair and area planners i'd like to thank you for adding the topic of wise islands to

[2:18:08] Voice 11: to your busy agendas.

[2:18:10] Voice 11: My name is John Halson.

[2:18:11] Voice 11: I'm a full-time resident on Wise Island

[2:18:13] Voice 11: and I've lived there almost 25, 20 years

[2:18:17] Voice 11: and I'm currently working as a chief engineer

[2:18:18] Voice 11: for BC Ferries on the sail-ish deal.

[2:18:21] Voice 11: As mentioned in my initial email to you all,

[2:18:24] Voice 11: some of this is repeated,

[2:18:25] Voice 8: I would like to formally ask the Islands Trust

[2:18:28] Voice 8: to start review the process of mending

[2:18:30] Voice 8: or replacing Galeano land use file 127 and 108

[2:18:34] Voice 11: to better reflect both access only properties

[2:18:37] Voice 11: on Wise Island. Recent by-law enforcement has demonstrated to me that our small,

[2:18:42] Voice 11: ocean-fronted, non-service, or vehicular access lots have not been properly or fairly represented

[2:18:49] Voice 11: in the Galliano-Latin

[2:18:51] Voice 8: East by-laws. All lots on Wise Island are much smaller than the lot sizes

[2:18:55] Voice 8: quoted as minimum on the Galliano by-laws. I know that other small islands such as Passage and

[2:19:01] Voice 11: Boyer Island and House Island and the eight small islands off the East Island have developed quite

[2:19:06] Voice 11: recently their own sets of bylaws under trust items in reading through gambler trust bylaw 114

[2:19:12] Voice 11: 109 which instead in my closet

[2:19:14] Voice 11: i find these virus bylaws are well thought out and if adopted for wise will apply exactly the

[2:19:26] Voice 11: same to our small item lines at this time some residents myself included are facing

[2:19:31] Voice 11: facing by-law violation notices on vital structures such

[2:19:34] Voice 8: as foreshore access stairs, solar panels, and small vets,

[2:19:39] Voice 8: and are being told to remove them or comply with siting distances that in most cases are unattainable

[2:19:44] Voice 8: and would render these structures unusable and properly unaccessible for delivery of household material,

[2:19:50] Voice 8: emergency purposes such as fire suppression,

[2:19:53] Voice 11: and medical evacuation.

[2:19:56] Voice 11: My main point is, I hope that trust management can see that small island living

[2:20:01] Voice 8: and access

[2:20:02] Voice 8: only by boat is quite different from that of building and power service properties and

[2:20:06] Voice 8: require certain setback allowances, especially from certain safety standpoints.

[2:20:10] Voice 8: I look forward to working with the Islands Trust.

[2:20:13] Voice 8: Again, thank

[2:20:14] Voice 11: you for your time.

[2:20:15] Voice 11: Thank you, Mr. Bishop.

[2:20:16] Voice 11: Someone else would like to say something?

[2:20:19] Voice 11: Thanks.

[2:20:20] Voice 11: My name is Duncan Reed.

[2:20:22] Voice 11: I'm the chair of the Wise Island Community Association. My family has had a cabin on

[2:20:28] Voice 11: Wise, a small cabin on Wise for 42 years. And as a result of having such a long time on the

[2:20:36] Voice 11: island, we care deeply about preserving and protecting the natural environment of Wise Island.

[2:20:42] Voice 11: And that's why we appreciate so much what the island's trust is all about and the mission

[2:20:50] Voice 11: of the island's trust but we also have to recognize that we have neighbors who have

[2:20:56] Voice 11: concerns that are very real and very current right now and we have an island that is very

[2:21:03] Voice 11: different from Galeano. We have had on the island this time it's gone on we have had emergencies

[2:21:09] Voice 11: where people have had to be evacuated to Ganges or to Galeano directly by water often directly

[2:21:17] Voice 11: directly from stairs down from those properties.

[2:21:20] Voice 11: We have had fires on the island.

[2:21:23] Voice 11: Our cabin is built out around a structure

[2:21:26] Voice 11: that is still there from pre-1987, from a fire in 1987.

[2:21:31] Voice 11: And much of the island and the rest,

[2:21:35] Voice 11: certainly the rest of the cabin could have been affected

[2:21:37] Voice 11: if that fire was not controlled,

[2:21:39] Voice 11: that fire was controlled because of the island's

[2:21:41] Voice 11: own fire system that relies on stairs to access

[2:21:47] Voice 11: the water to pump the water to uh to suppress the fire so it's really important to understand

[2:21:54] Voice 11: just how different uh wise island is how uh self-reliant is probably the wrong word because

[2:22:00] Voice 11: we're really sort of community interdependent this entire group there are people who uh have

[2:22:04] Voice 11: specific skills that are uh really important to the island but that's that's how we work

[2:22:10] Voice 11: uh but it's really important to be able to have these stairs to have these decks

[2:22:15] Voice 11: and to have the small miracle that is water and solar power to be able to sustain

[2:22:20] Voice 11: these cabins. And when you look at what some of these other island groups have done, in the case

[2:22:27] Voice 11: of the Thetis Island group, the Bowyer and Passage Island by-laws as well, you start to see patterns

[2:22:34] Voice 11: that make a lot more sense for an island like Wise Island that relies on access to the water

[2:22:39] Voice 11: for emergency services, for solar, and for climate.

[2:22:45] Voice 11: So we would ask you to consider deferring any enforcement

[2:22:50] Voice 11: until we've had a chance to think about these things a little bit more

[2:22:53] Voice 11: and to understand how to move forward together to respect the need of the community

[2:22:58] Voice 11: to preserve and to protect the island, but also to be able to use it safely

[2:23:02] Voice 11: and sustainably going forward.

[2:23:05] Voice 11: So we'd ask that you defer those things for now

[2:23:08] Voice 11: now, and that we can come back and work with the LTC after the elections on potentially

[2:23:15] Voice 11: amending the Galliano land use by-law that's currently existing or drafting a new one that

[2:23:22] Voice 11: applies to Wyzop.

[2:23:24] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:23:24] Voice 11: Thank you very much.

[2:23:27] Voice 11: Anybody else specifically?

[2:23:29] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:23:30] Voice 11: Hi.

[2:23:30] Voice 7: I'm Pamela DeMarc.

[2:23:31] Voice 7: I'm the owner of Lot 26.

[2:23:33] Voice 7: I've owned my cabin for eight years.

[2:23:35] Voice 7: I'm the immediate next-door neighbor to Yon Holson.

[2:23:38] Voice 7: I couldn't ask for a better neighbor, I feel very fortunate to live next door to him.

[2:23:42] Voice 7: In the event of a fire, he will be the person who saves my property.

[2:23:48] Voice 7: I also serve as the chair of the trustees for the Wise Island Improvement District,

[2:23:55] Voice 7: which has been delivering water to our community since 1989.

[2:24:00] Voice 7: We have 39 developed lots.

[2:24:02] Voice 7: we have nine undeveloped lots and of those lots we have 32 people who use water and I can tell you

[2:24:08] Voice 7: that we're all very conservation minded. This system only works because we all work together

[2:24:13] Voice 7: to volunteer and to protect our environment. Our owners are the majority over 60 years old,

[2:24:21] Voice 7: I would say some of them 70 and in the event of an emergency or a fire we have no way to get

[2:24:27] Voice 7: these people off except for water access our lots are very small my lot is 0.4 of an acre

[2:24:35] Voice 7: our island is 950 meters long by 150 meters wide there is no road there's no vehicle access if you

[2:24:44] Voice 7: look at a map it says there's a road but it's actually a footpath the only way off in an

[2:24:49] Voice 7: emergency is by water and our power is only by solar or by generator and with generators you

[2:24:56] Voice 7: said and with solar you need to be able to site them into the sun the configuration of our plots

[2:25:05] Voice 7: is such that it is actually impossible to comply with the galliano bylaws you would have to have

[2:25:11] Voice 7: a cabin that's maybe two feet wide to meet these setback distances so we support the

[2:25:19] Voice 7: objectives of the island's trust and we support our neighbors we wish for them to be able to

[2:25:24] Voice 7: keep their existing structures and we would like for the planners to consider new bylaws

[2:25:30] Voice 7: to consider the unique characteristics of wise island thank you very much

[2:25:35] Voice 5: hi

[2:25:37] Voice 6: my name is jennifer

[2:25:38] Voice 6: urban i'm also a wise islander my father bill urban bought it in about 1975 for

[2:25:44] Voice 7: two dollars or

[2:25:45] Voice 7: so um

[2:25:45] Voice 6: and

[2:25:46] Voice 7: i inherited in

[2:25:48] Voice 6: 2007 um and i wanted to support all the speakers so far and beyond

[2:25:53] Voice 6: message continual message um yeah i mean the narrowness of our our is a big deal and it's

[2:26:00] Voice 6: a struggle to accommodate the setbacks that are required um i guess the only thing else i can add

[2:26:05] Voice 6: uh safety is my responsibility when people come to visit my property and having a deck in my case

[2:26:11] Voice 6: is key to provide the safety while outside and enjoying the exquisite surroundings of Wise

[2:26:18] Voice 6: Island. Thank you for all that you do.

[2:26:21] Voice 11: Thank you. Okay, thanks very much.

[2:26:27] Voice 6: I recognize

[2:26:28] Voice 11: that I'm just conscious of time.

[2:26:31] Voice 6: Hi, my name is Krista Fogel and my husband and I have been working for Fogel for 24 years.

[2:26:37] Voice 6: People support the

[2:26:39] Voice 6: nation's trust in protecting the third environment, but they also like to

[2:26:45] Voice 3: support our neighbors that have been questioned by the trust for existing structures in 2021-2022.

[2:26:55] Voice 3: We do not believe that the removal of these structures, like stairs, pegs, solar panels, will benefit anyone.

[2:27:01] Voice 3: As people mentioned, they are both accessible only, they have no roads, and direct water access is beneficial for the

[2:27:13] Voice 6: virus or for the emergency.

[2:27:16] Voice 6: Because my husband and I did not need to get into a dock in the case of a fire.

[2:27:23] Voice 6: Soil is our only way to generate basic energy.

[2:27:26] Voice 6: Thank you. So we really support our neighbors and hope for the neighborhood to have

[2:27:33] Voice 11: a little bit more than $10,000 in small dollars.

[2:27:36] Voice 11: Thank you. My name is Mark Roberts. I'm a new member of the Y-Zone community. We purchased property this spring.

[2:27:45] Voice 11: I'm also a member of the Y-Zone Community Association. Just wanted to make two quick points.

[2:27:50] Voice 11: The first is that we have strong believers in the Islands Trust and preserved mechanical energy.

[2:27:57] Voice 11: we do believe that we should be doing and revising our violence company because we don't see

[2:28:02] Voice 11: the violence producer in any way but because we want them to be more relevant to our community

[2:28:06] Voice 11: and to get the best concerns that we have as at the same time we address the concerns of the

[2:28:13] Voice 11: other stress the two issues that we seem to be really hammering home is solar power cannot be

[2:28:21] Voice 11: seven meters set back in the water because we have to cut down pretty much the trees

[2:28:25] Voice 11: or we

[2:28:27] Voice 12: have to have an ineffective solar system that will just be around in general

[2:28:31] Voice 12: so we'll be burning gas rather than which

[2:28:34] Voice 11: doesn't seem to make much sense um the second is with

[2:28:38] Voice 11: respect to the staircase down to the water we do need that for firing that for emergency

[2:28:42] Voice 11: because it's pretty clear there's no road there's no other way to get to your car

[2:28:51] Voice 11: so in the circumstances we ask that these disputes or these concerns that are being

[2:28:57] Voice 11: raised on god's property and others can set aside until we've had it thank you

[2:29:02] Voice 11: all right oh more

[2:29:07] Voice 11: i'm quite serious we're short on time if there's something new thank you

[2:29:11] Voice 6: and i'm speaking support of our neighbors with their distant structures primarily against

[2:29:18] Voice 6: solar panels it's operate only most of us don't want to be running our generators

[2:29:22] Voice 4: 20 percent at

[2:29:24] Voice 7: all and the second reason is access due to safety because as you did you'll see on this small weekend

[2:29:30] Voice 7: accidents happen and we need access to all the lots thank you

[2:29:33] Voice 11: i heard there was an incident

[2:29:37] Voice 11: I'm a long-term resident of

[2:29:40] Voice 12: Wyoming from 1971.

[2:29:43] Voice 12: Only one property. I put it apart on the transit.

[2:29:48] Voice 12: If we had a way to help you deal with it,

[2:29:51] Voice 9: I could not have stopped.

[2:29:57] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:30:11] My

[2:30:12] Voice 11: name is Ian Kerr and I'm a copy owner of White Island and I am in support of my neighbors

[2:30:18] Voice 11: and the other White Islanders in requesting to work together with Dinah's Trust in coming up

[2:30:24] people from the wildlife

[2:30:25] Voice 11: that affect our our

[2:30:29] Voice 12: brothers uh coming around as well

[2:30:32] Voice 11: keep it free

[2:30:35] Voice 11: supporting the neighbors as well okay well thank you all is there anybody else before we move on

[2:30:40] Voice 11: there's other issues i'm going to see more i'm also wondering why i don't have my uh

[2:30:45] Voice 11: neighbors here as well safety

[2:30:48] Voice 12: is one of the biggest issues so we have your mother that

[2:30:57] Voice 12: Okay. Thanks very

[2:31:01] Voice 11: much. Well, thank you. And don't don't leave because we're going to talk

[2:31:06] Voice 11: about your correspondence when we get to it, but it'll be added your letter into our attendance.

[2:31:11] Voice 11: So it's there when we get to, I have a couple of things I want to say, but I don't want to

[2:31:15] Voice 11: interrupt the town hall. So let's move on from White Island.

[2:31:21] Voice 11: Who else would like to speak? Yes.

[2:31:23] Voice 11: I

[2:31:23] Voice 7: would like to support the Walker application. Galeano

[2:31:27] Voice 7: septic provides an essential service for our island and it's

[2:31:30] Voice 7: important that we support businesses like this for

[2:31:34] Voice 6: environmental and economic stability.

[2:31:39] Voice 11: And if I might, let's start now that we've got the Walker

[2:31:44] Voice 11: application on the agenda if anybody else wishes to speak on the walker application maybe let's

[2:31:48] Voice 11: have that right now yes yes go ahead

[2:31:57] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:32:20] Voice 6: until 6 p.m.

[2:32:23] Voice 6: And the applicant has assured me

[2:32:25] Voice 6: that they don't plan to work on weekends.

[2:32:29] Voice 6: So

[2:32:29] Voice 7: I don't think there should be any hours for weekends,

[2:32:33] Voice 7: but there should be a provision for late deliveries

[2:32:37] Voice 7: or some kind of gratification money.

[2:32:41] Voice 6: But definitely, if you can imagine, right?

[2:32:53] Voice 6: The other thing I want to talk about

[2:32:55] Voice 6: is there is possibly a future extension or a future application for the extension of light

[2:33:09] Voice 6: industrial or industrial on that particular site so

[2:33:14] Voice 7: i hope that this application does

[2:33:16] Voice 7: lend credence to a future increase in the industrial zoning of that site

[2:33:24] Voice 7: um

[2:33:26] Voice 6: it's across the street from a sensitive west area area and that's my concern about that i don't

[2:33:35] Voice 6: have any concerns about the maintenance yard being where it is because i think it's the best

[2:33:46] Voice 6: And the last thing I wanted to talk about is that the plan recommended a fence.

[2:33:56] Voice 6: And I think that fence should go inside the trees.

[2:34:15] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:34:17] Voice 10: And then there was a hand in it.

[2:34:18] Voice 10: Yes.

[2:34:22] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:34:26] Voice 11: Anybody else on Walker?

[2:34:28] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:34:28] Voice 11: I would support the.

[2:34:34] Voice 11: application and it's as if it is a reasonable

[2:34:38] Voice 12: use of land it uh you know duplicates and endures the

[2:34:44] Voice 12: operation of the uh works

[2:34:47] Voice 11: yard next to it it has low impact from what i can see of the application

[2:34:53] Voice 11: and looking at the application the hours of operation i initially was taking effect

[2:34:57] Voice 11: fact but then i realized that the applicant is merely saying

[2:35:03] Voice 11: that he is going to supply

[2:35:04] Voice 11: the standard owners of operations that

[2:35:07] Voice 12: the crd imposes on industrial activities like this

[2:35:13] Voice 12: i don't think that they are going to

[2:35:15] Voice 11: use all the hours possible and because of that i would support

[2:35:30] Voice 3: I would also like to add my voices in support of this application.

[2:35:36] Anybody else?

[2:35:37] Yes.

[2:35:37] Michael on Georgeson Bay Road and I would like to support the application.

[2:35:47] Thank

[2:35:48] Voice 12: you very much.

[2:35:53] Voice 11: I see no other hands on the walker.

[2:35:58] Voice 11: Oh, one more.

[2:36:00] Voice 5: Are you still working?

[2:36:01] Voice 11: Sure.

[2:36:02] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:36:02] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:36:02] Voice 4: You

[2:36:03] Voice 10: were brief enough the first time.

[2:36:04] Voice 4: I'll go fast.

[2:36:06] Voice 4: To the concerns about the traffic on the road,

[2:36:09] Voice 7: which we all share, I'm just wondering why

[2:36:10] Voice 7: didn't I tell you the upcoming referendum

[2:36:12] Voice 7: for the transportation commission

[2:36:14] Voice 3: that will act as rent to improve

[2:36:16] Voice 3: active transportation on the island

[2:36:18] Voice 3: and make more room for

[2:36:20] Voice 3: all the people.

[2:36:25] Voice 10: Other issues

[2:36:26] Voice 11: other than

[2:36:27] Voice 11: the Walker issue. Yes.

[2:36:29] Voice 11: Mr. Wright.

[2:36:31] Voice 11: Mr. Chair, I would

[2:36:33] Voice 11: like to add a verbal postscript to my uh june letter that was published as part of correspondence

[2:36:43] Voice 11: if the islands trust is going to write to rogers perhaps it would be timely to ask rogers of any

[2:36:54] Voice 11: hard evidence that their antenna placements have actually provided any benefits to galliano island

[2:37:02] Voice 11: island residents. That was one of the things that the siting protocol asked of supporters

[2:37:10] when they come forward with a particular project

[2:37:13] Voice 11: that would be sited on the island.

[2:37:18] Voice 5: Okay, is that it? Okay,

[2:37:21] Voice 10: thanks very much. On cellular tires, Mr. Ramsey.

[2:37:25] Voice 11: Yes, Patrick Ramsey, Stitts Alliston Road. I just wanted to speak a little bit more to

[2:37:32] Voice 11: point three, which I brought up, hopefully one of the action items. Listening to Mary Jean today and to Nick and certainly to Stephen, I think one of the most important things for watchers is to work diligently in terms of their communications with all of us on the island, if it's appropriate, given federal guidelines.

[2:37:53] Voice 11: lines. I had a conversation with Michael Prince today, who's the government relations director

[2:38:01] Voice 11: for Rogers. He's aware of the infrastructure in the Crest Tower, and at this point, Rogers

[2:38:07] Voice 11: did not plan to build up anything beyond what they put in place. They have proposals pending

[2:38:13] Voice 11: on other islands to help increase coverage for St. Louis residents, specifically one

[2:38:20] Voice 11: I also asked Michael if there's anything that we can do to maybe encourage Rogers to enhance

[2:38:29] Voice 11: their system here and as part of part three of what I said in my action items, they said

[2:38:37] Voice 11: that it may be possible if we would encourage them to, for them to go ahead and try and

[2:38:46] Voice 11: find a location on the island where they could put a uh a macro tower in that would ultimately

[2:38:53] Voice 11: give good service to the majority of the island um and he was encouraging to me that uh we would

[2:39:02] Voice 11: continue better discussion with them and they will certainly try and do the same with us and uh

[2:39:08] Voice 11: speaking briefly to stephen as well i noticed that uh tiara had mentioned that she's noticed

[2:39:14] Voice 11: is a very good improvement in coverage with the uh just put in on the uh emergency press tower

[2:39:24] Voice 11: thank you okay anything else on cell towers of course all right yeah i i will just say i don't

[2:39:36] Voice 11: think we're fully up to speed with the uh the work that's been done here i've seen some of the

[2:39:40] Voice 11: correspondence and they're just looking at it again but i will say that for many wise islanders

[2:39:44] Voice 11: still lack of cell coverage is a real problem it is also a safety issue uh and it's something that

[2:39:51] Voice 11: i think many would support prioritizing uh better coverage because if you're not facing a particular

[2:39:56] Voice 11: direction at a particular point in the island you've got nothing and that's not great in this

[2:40:01] Voice 11: okay so

[2:40:04] Voice 10: moving off of thank you uh moving off of cell towers other commentary on it either

[2:40:10] Voice 10: or an application sorry i should take this off an application or an agenda or something else uh yes

[2:40:16] Voice 10: i

[2:40:17] Voice 8: am not a wise islander

[2:40:23] Voice 8: and i am an applicant or a representative from the dealer application so i wouldn't say anything

[2:40:31] Voice 8: about that directly but i would like to mention some of the background on district lot 79 of which

[2:40:39] Voice 8: which I am an owner, and that is rather similar to some other situations in the island where

[2:40:45] Voice 8: a group of people got together quite a long time ago and made the brilliant decision to

[2:40:50] Voice 8: buy a forest out of a 20-acre density and then found some distance into the process

[2:40:57] Voice 8: that it couldn't be completed.

[2:40:59] Voice 8: And we've had quite a few situations like that where people found themselves stuck between

[2:41:05] Voice 8: a rock and a hard place.

[2:41:06] Voice 8: and the LTC has the official community plan has one mechanism for people to resolve that which is

[2:41:15] Voice 8: the F3 formula you've got 20 hectares and you're willing to sign a covenant and so far only one

[2:41:23] Voice 8: household has done that namely mine and after quite a few years of this being available

[2:41:29] Voice 8: and the other formula is you can have get back to the 20 acre density if you give away

[2:41:36] Voice 8: three quarters of your land and some waterfront to a suitable agency and in our case we we were

[2:41:46] Voice 8: a group of four separate families or actually two of the groups were some groups were

[2:41:52] Voice 8: some groups of more families but the four groups got together to find this property without and

[2:41:59] Voice 8: most of the people were original strangers so now you've got a bunch of guys owning your property

[2:42:05] Voice 8: and they're caught between a rock and a hard place.

[2:42:07] Voice 8: And they all have

[2:42:08] Voice 8: different objectives.

[2:42:09] Voice 8: And my objective

[2:42:10] Voice 8: was forestry.

[2:42:13] Voice 8: I'm a parkland type person.

[2:42:15] Voice 8: I wanted to build trails and I've done that.

[2:42:17] Voice 8: And the F3 formula has allowed me to do that.

[2:42:22] Voice 8: And others simply after 20 years

[2:42:26] Voice 8: of being between a rock and a hard place,

[2:42:28] Voice 8: wanted to get the hell out.

[2:42:30] Voice 8: And they could do that on the other formula of 75%

[2:42:35] Voice 8: They need some waterfront and maximizing their real estate liquidity to do an exit and they have been used as they've been replaced by very nice neighbors. That's all I have to say about that.

[2:42:48] Voice 8: Okay, thank you very much.

[2:42:50] Voice 8: Yes, go ahead.

[2:42:52] Voice 8: Yeah,

[2:42:53] Voice 11: I was having to make that next position because basically it's kind of relevant to what I wanted to say,

[2:43:04] Voice 9: which is about what I wanted to say was on the issue of District Lots 86,

[2:43:09] Voice 9: 86 of 56

[2:43:11] Voice 11: is on the agenda today and 85 related to it i want to encourage the local trust committee

[2:43:18] Voice 11: to work

[2:43:19] Voice 9: with those applicants to make both that application those applications work

[2:43:26] Voice 9: uh it's been a long time coming uh they are trying to evaluate finally

[2:43:32] Voice 9: finally all the way to the history uh and the various hustles over the years but you know

[2:43:39] Voice 9: finally reasoned according to the available bylaws and uh island's uh local trust committee past

[2:43:47] Voice 9: practice and policies which enabled the point 75 uh 25 exchange for higher density if you didn't

[2:43:54] Voice 9: want to do the uh the f3 with the sustainable forestry now about the model that bobby did uh

[2:44:06] Voice 9: uh 85 and 86 came to the global trust committee with proposals sort of based on it but i can see

[2:44:15] Voice 9: why you didn't like them because there were some things that was playing fundamentally wrong with

[2:44:20] Voice 9: particularly

[2:44:20] Voice 11: the lack of water in the exchange with a conservancy organization or parks

[2:44:26] Voice 11: organization but what i'm asking you to do do not close down that application but work with

[2:44:34] Voice 11: those

[2:44:35] Voice 9: applicants you make it work they're working them in the official community those applications

[2:44:40] Voice 9: are consistent with the official community plan we've already worked with another applicant

[2:44:47] Voice 11: on a proposal that is not consistent with the official community plan we've been over backwards

[2:44:52] Voice 11: and spent much time and effort to create something that was

[2:44:57] Voice 9: not that i'm referring to the crystal

[2:44:59] Voice 9: mountain development of course not contemplated in the official community

[2:45:03] Voice 11: plan at all for a large

[2:45:04] Voice 11: piece of visitor accommodation in the forest zone

[2:45:08] Voice 11: not contemplated nor did he find that

[2:45:10] Voice 11: but these people brought in an application they tried they're trying to make it work

[2:45:15] Voice 11: so please it's a question of equal treatment why

[2:45:20] Voice 9: aren't you working with these people to make it

[2:45:22] Voice 9: work last time you showed them the back of your hand when they

[2:45:24] Voice 11: uh when they came in and said you

[2:45:27] Voice 11: know you're not ready to uh cherry pick or something and i'm going to make the same point

[2:45:33] Voice 11: this other application is a perfect example of cherry picking and caulking elements to make

[2:45:40] Voice 11: something work if you want one of them but when this one comes up on the agenda i hope that you

[2:45:46] Voice 11: take a positive approach and uh work with these people people that's what's that's what's needed

[2:45:52] Voice 11: on that side i haven't seen it anybody

[2:45:57] Voice 5: else okay and we'll uh close the town hall thank you very

[2:46:08] much for your commentary and your input uh now you guys um

[2:46:17] Voice 10: we're going to move on to the uh the

[2:46:21] Voice 10: business portion of the agenda and the first thing on the agenda is our uh minutes and i'll just walk

[2:46:27] Voice 10: through quickly and say

[2:46:29] Voice 11: uh are there any changes that anybody saw that they'd like to uh the local

[2:46:34] Voice 11: the trust committee meetings of july the fourth eight point one nothing then i'll take those

[2:46:39] Voice 11: adopted by consent

[2:46:41] Voice 10: uh we have a special committee uh special meeting minutes actually you know what

[2:46:47] Voice 10: i

[2:46:48] Voice 11: need to open my agenda because i thought there was some changes all the time

[2:47:30] Voice 10: any changes to the

[2:47:32] Voice 10: minutes of uh july the fourth

[2:47:34] Voice 11: from the special meeting nothing i'll take those adopted as

[2:47:40] Voice 11: presented uh any meeting changes from the minutes of uh more questions for the special meeting of

[2:47:46] Voice 11: july 16th yes on page three of five there's uh barbara graham

[2:47:55] Voice 3: but it should be greenham g-r-e-h-a

[2:47:58] Voice 3: what page

[2:48:02] Voice 11: is package 27 yes

[2:48:06] Voice 3: so that's uh

[2:48:13] Voice 11: that's the

[2:48:13] Voice 10: public hearing record okay you're not okay i was only at 8.3 that's okay so we'll take

[2:48:20] Voice 10: the special meeting minutes the doctor that is presented and then we have an amendment to the

[2:48:25] Voice 10: public hearing record on page 27 robin did you get that it's a name spelling no you did not get

[2:48:39] Voice 10: that if you go to page 27 uh it's not as a fourth name down it's not great barbara graham it's

[2:48:51] Voice 10: g-r-e

[2:48:52] Voice 11: -h-a-m i believe that's correct

[2:48:56] Voice 11: you got that just

[2:48:59] Voice 2: one sec um barbara it's not barbara graham it's barbara

[2:49:03] Voice 2: free

[2:49:04] Voice 11: hand how

[2:49:05] Voice 2: do you spell that g-r-e

[2:49:07] Voice 2: -h-a-n

[2:49:08] Voice 11: h

[2:49:09] Voice 2: g-r-e-h-a-n correct

[2:49:12] Voice 11: okay

[2:49:13] Voice 2: thank you got it

[2:49:14] Voice 2: anything

[2:49:14] Voice 10: else then we'll take the public hearing record uh as adopted as amended uh the next thing

[2:49:22] Voice 10: there are no resolutions about meeting but we do have 8.6 but thanks to the advisory planning

[2:49:27] Voice 10: commission

[2:49:27] Voice 11: um the minutes and the recommendation of the report um on page 32 related to the issue

[2:49:36] Voice 11: of of um of water or surf uh shoreline protection model bylaw so trustees what would you like to do

[2:49:45] Voice 11: with the apc report and the recommendation recommendations there's a whole series of

[2:49:51] Voice 11: recommendations that are contained trustee

[2:49:56] Voice 4: it's a great report and it's very um the scope is very

[2:50:02] Voice 4: large so perhaps i mean it's not something that could be actioned individually i think i don't

[2:50:08] Voice 4: know if you should put it on a future agenda for the new trust committee perhaps are you looking

[2:50:15] Voice 11: looking to stop for advice what

[2:50:17] Voice 3: were you thinking yes i mean um it may well it will probably need

[2:50:26] Voice 3: to be a project of some sort

[2:50:28] Voice 3: even though it's not a large budget but um

[2:50:31] Voice 11: oh i'm not sure it's

[2:50:33] Voice 11: not a large one right all right so perhaps i would ask staff if we could bring it back

[2:50:37] to be

[2:50:38] Voice 4: later in the year after the well enough after the election without the adding of the

[2:50:51] Voice 4: project list

[2:50:52] Voice 11: uh you could add it to the project list definitely yeah

[2:50:57] Voice 4: yeah and sorry i just thought

[2:50:59] Voice 11: the truck just drove past but bringing it back just

[2:51:02] Voice 4: like not right away right you know so they

[2:51:06] Voice 4: have future

[2:51:06] Voice 4: meaning yeah yes perhaps i'll

[2:51:09] Voice 3: add it to the project list later on yeah

[2:51:11] Voice 3: yeah so

[2:51:15] Voice 11: yeah so just just for this is the result of the report that came from the regional planning

[2:51:22] Voice 11: committee recommendations and of course for protection plan and other examples like other

[2:51:28] Voice 11: there's things going on in saturn and south pender uh as well as peace which i'm very familiar with

[2:51:34] Voice 11: and so you're recommending that we put it on the projects list um yeah

[2:51:40] Voice 4: which i can do when we get

[2:51:41] Voice 4: to that part of the agenda i just i

[2:51:43] Voice 4: just didn't want this uh to get lost you know in the late

[2:51:47] Voice 11: yeah

[2:51:47] Voice 4: yeah that's

[2:51:49] Voice 11: going to be a challenging list because it's a long yeah

[2:51:53] Voice 4: i was going to

[2:51:55] Voice 4: clean it up next meeting well

[2:51:56] Voice 11: it is a long list and we put some very good reports from the apc

[2:52:01] Voice 11: around uh about climate change on that list too and those are both very important concepts so

[2:52:09] Voice 11: what you'd like to do is talk about this when we get to the project the actual projects list which

[2:52:14] Voice 11: is near the end of the agenda um but of course it'll be up to whoever the next trust committee

[2:52:20] Voice 11: is to decide what they want to work on i think that's the only really way to work on this yeah

[2:52:26] Voice 11: um okay well and

[2:52:27] Voice 11: thanks yes go ahead do you want these minutes that brought back to the future

[2:52:31] Voice 11: meeting or just you're going to put it on the projects list for consideration would the minutes

[2:52:36] Voice 4: it's being included it's the future

[2:52:38] Voice 11: yeah

[2:52:39] Voice 4: so we'll just i'll just include the title in the project

[2:52:44] Voice 11: when we provide that to refer them

[2:52:46] Voice 11: yeah thanks

[2:52:50] Voice 10: right and thanks again

[2:52:52] Voice 11: to the apc for their their work on that it looks like you

[2:52:55] Voice 11: have three meetings and uh discussed the the reports and then they're very thoughtful

[2:53:01] Voice 11: of recommendations a lot of them focused around around reconciliation

[2:53:05] Voice 10: and those issues and just

[2:53:07] Voice 10: while we're all talking about that i i know that it should it should be noted that of course we are

[2:53:13] Voice 10: doing the heritage over mint lane mapping at the trust wide level this comes up on a lot of

[2:53:19] Voice 10: different islands about trying to put in cultural protection and and properly

[2:53:24] Voice 11: so uh one of the tools

[2:53:26] Voice 11: we're waiting for is is that the trust as a whole is doing a project around and has

[2:53:32] Voice 11: funded a cultural

[2:53:33] Voice 11: heritage cultural heritage overlay mapping which is intended to more systematically

[2:53:41] Voice 11: map all of the sensitive um

[2:53:44] Voice 10: heritage sites on the various islands which the local trust committees

[2:53:48] Voice 10: can then uh utilize try and implement protections for those and i'm sure forming it um and that's

[2:53:56] Voice 10: work that's going on in consultation with many of the uh with an indigenous led um consulting

[2:54:03] Voice 10: company and of course many of the first nations that are in our area uh again thanks for the work

[2:54:08] Voice 10: uh anything else arising from that no if not we'll go

[2:54:12] Voice 11: to the follow-up action list uh we have a

[2:54:15] Voice 11: series of items which are mostly completed but are there any questions for the planner related

[2:54:20] Voice 11: to follow-up action list nothing from trustee rockefeller nothing anything you'd like to flag

[2:54:25] Voice 11: for us uh the groundwater project is scheduled to come back september 27th

[2:54:31] Voice 11: and

[2:54:31] Voice 10: will there be and remind me i know we have a cim around this i lose track of all the meetings

[2:54:42] Voice 10: is there are there draft bylaws coming i i think we gave direction around

[2:54:48] Voice 10: the

[2:54:48] Voice 11: size of lots i believe or various size of lots for the groundwater protection

[2:54:54] Voice 11: yeah i think there's a very specific direction right okay

[2:54:59] Voice 4: options right so

[2:55:01] Voice 10: the idea is we may

[2:55:02] Voice 10: get a first look at these bylaws and maybe even get maybe get them first reading before the end

[2:55:10] Voice 10: and

[2:55:10] Voice 11: where is north pender that are they because they stay focused on their line

[2:55:14] Voice 11: okay so um

[2:55:19] Voice 10: anything else from them no then we'll go to the correspondence all right so we've got

[2:55:26] Voice 10: before we get to the wise island bylaw and it's uh we have three

[2:55:30] Voice 11: pieces of correspondence uh

[2:55:32] Voice 11: and of course we received another one from mr ramsey that isn't in about the package because

[2:55:37] Voice 11: that came in over the weekend um uh making a series of requests from mr ryback and then some

[2:55:45] concerns from mr sharp um ramney

[2:55:48] Voice 5: has urged us to take some i

[2:55:51] Voice 11: think some i'll say a proactive

[2:55:53] Voice 11: action related to self-coverage in the island beyond what we've already done mr ryback has

[2:56:00] Voice 11: uh has somewhat urged us to try and see um to hold uh the telecommunication providers piece

[2:56:08] of fire related to our um to our uh telecommunications so

[2:56:13] Voice 11: what i'm not sure what

[2:56:14] Voice 11: trustees would like to do with this you got some thoughts about how you'd like department no i

[2:56:23] Voice 3: um i mean you know uh maybe maybe it's worth having another discussion between

[2:56:32] Voice 3: between Mr. Ryback and Mr. Renzi,

[2:56:34] Voice 3: and I'd be prepared to sit down again and see.

[2:56:37] Voice 3: And in our discussion that we did have,

[2:56:41] Voice 3: I understand that the issue for the cell phone providers

[2:56:48] Voice 3: is economic and that our island is fairly,

[2:56:54] Voice 3: the population is quite small

[2:56:56] Voice 3: and it doesn't make economic sense

[2:56:59] Voice 3: unless there's governments, you know, good government subsidies to actually extend the service that we have now.

[2:57:10] Voice 3: That's, I don't know how much, I mean, there's a framework for any of the providers to follow.

[2:57:20] Voice 3: And so I don't know what else we can do about that.

[2:57:34] Voice 5: what you're saying is all we

[2:57:36] Voice 10: can do is react to applications that actually come in yeah that's

[2:57:39] Voice 3: the role of the lcc i mean i think that if there are if there's a small group of a group of

[2:57:46] Voice 3: islanders who want to approach the providers and and work with them as um

[2:57:54] Voice 3: you were saying that you know they're interested in looking at other sites

[2:57:58] Voice 3: on the island you know i think islanders can help with that but then you know i don't see the role

[2:58:06] Voice 3: of the ltc other than reviewing their proposals we don't have any funding to actually fund their

[2:58:15] Voice 3: proposals no

[2:58:17] Voice 10: we would not be why we don't i mean if we've seen on the south spring the kind of

[2:58:22] Voice 11: of community pushback that could be around towers

[2:58:26] Voice 11: that gone in.

[2:58:27] Voice 11: It's getting, at least the last time I heard,

[2:58:29] Voice 11: I haven't followed up the last two weeks,

[2:58:30] Voice 11: it was getting quite active, shall we say.

[2:58:35] Voice 11: There were demonstrations of blockades, et cetera,

[2:58:38] Voice 11: around a tower that was being built on in Salto

[2:58:41] Voice 11: that they didn't think that the process

[2:58:43] Voice 11: that was used in their community was appropriate.

[2:58:45] Voice 11: There

[2:58:45] Voice 10: have been other communities where it is,

[2:58:47] Voice 10: and then there's other

[2:58:47] Voice 11: communities where Salto towers

[2:58:49] Voice 11: or depending on the location can be less controversial.

[2:58:55] Voice 11: We prove one or prove the process online

[2:58:59] Voice 11: or concurred with, because that's our role.

[2:59:01] Voice 11: So just so everybody knows,

[2:59:04] Voice 11: the role of a local government on a cell tower application

[2:59:08] Voice 11: is to A, set in place a local consultation process

[2:59:14] Voice 11: or set out the parameters for a local consultation process,

[2:59:20] Voice 10: which, in many cases, can look like the one the federal government sets up, because they regulate this, but if we have a different one, then they effectively defer if it's reasonable.

[2:59:32] Voice 10: There's a standard one that the trust has implemented, and I know Galliano has its own as well.

[2:59:37] Voice 10: But then at the end of the day, they look for a recommendation of

[2:59:44] Voice 11: concurrence or non-concurrence

[2:59:45] Voice 11: from the local government to the particular dollars based on the specifics of the proposal

[2:59:51] Voice 10: and based on the

[2:59:53] Voice 11: consultation that it brought.

[3:00:00] Voice 11: in the community and sometimes local governments concur and sometimes they don't um and then the

[3:00:05] Voice 11: federal government they could theoretically overrule it but they often will follow

[3:00:10] Voice 11: so that's our role is to make sure there's a proper community yes trustee just

[3:00:17] Voice 4: correct me

[3:00:18] Voice 4: very well we never did a letter of concurrence or non-conference they just installed the tower

[3:00:23] Voice 4: it so yes the the

[3:00:25] Voice 10: yes so what happened with the crest tower is is there are a number of

[3:00:31] Voice 10: exemptions or exceptions to the

[3:00:33] Voice 11: types of things they need to do public consultation they took

[3:00:37] Voice 11: the position that what they were doing because they weren't increasing the height of the tower

[3:00:41] Voice 11: but simply putting new credit receivers on it i don't want to say simply they were doing that

[3:00:47] Voice 11: is that they didn't have to go through public consultation so they didn't they wrote us told

[3:00:52] Voice 11: us about it and but then we wrote him back and said we'd like to do public consultation

[3:00:56] Voice 11: and they went ahead and did it because they said they didn't have to um they offered to

[3:01:01] Voice 11: answer questions there are exemptions to it because most of the old federal protocols

[3:01:07] Voice 11: relate to basically citing and height there's other things but then citing and height that's

[3:01:12] Voice 11: what the concerns that are built out of the community consultation has to do with more than

[3:01:17] Voice 11: more than technology and of course many people think some of the technology shouldn't be in there

[3:01:22] Voice 11: anyway that's what occurred with the press power they didn't do consultation they went ahead and

[3:01:28] Voice 11: did it um and i think our position has probably been we they probably had the authority to do

[3:01:36] Voice 11: that in the absence of certainly the ised which is the federal government said they could go ahead

[3:01:41] Voice 11: in and do it. The other thing that I should point out, of

[3:01:44] Voice 11: course, is Galliano, Galliano, part of the Connected Coast.

[3:01:55] Voice 11: So fiber is coming.

[3:01:57] Voice 11: Fiber optics, this is part of the Connected Coast plan from

[3:02:00] the federal government.

[3:02:04] Voice 3: My understanding we have the cable

[3:02:06] Voice 3: already installed here.

[3:02:07] Voice 11: So the federal government is getting involved. I think it's

[3:02:10] Voice 11: really important that local communities get involved to lobby for federal money i know

[3:02:15] Voice 11: ministers in my region right now today announcing a huge swat of money for last mile funding um

[3:02:23] Voice 11: and galea get in on that there's going to be a bunch of makers okay is

[3:02:28] Voice 11: there anything further

[3:02:28] Voice 11: you want to do other than your your offer trustee wolverton to meet again with mr ramsay

[3:02:36] Voice 11: and yeah i

[3:02:39] Voice 3: mean i i have talked in the past to our mla adam olson and i

[3:02:43] Voice 3: can bring that up again

[3:02:45] Voice 3: with him regarding the last mile funding and

[3:02:48] Voice 6: also

[3:02:49] Voice 3: with our mv for the country yeah

[3:02:52] Voice 4: okay

[3:02:54] Voice 11: okay anything further on any of this correspondence on the cell phone okay then we'll

[3:03:04] Voice 11: accept the correspondence and go forward from there um then we have two pieces of correspondence

[3:03:11] Voice 10: 11.4 and 11.5

[3:03:13] Voice 11: from wise island um and

[3:03:16] Voice 10: thank you for that and thank you for what you said today

[3:03:19] Voice 10: i just wanted to say two things

[3:03:21] Voice 11: that i passed this information on to mr reed and i think mr

[3:03:25] Voice 11: kelson earlier um one is um the request for a bylaw amendments um well we'll talk about it

[3:03:34] Voice 11: i'll just say we're very late in the term for us to add a project that's a fairly big project to do

[3:03:43] Voice 11: my immediate reaction would be even if you're if a trust committee

[3:03:48] Voice 10: was prepared to do that

[3:03:49] Voice 10: you'd probably want to look at all the islands the associated islands as opposed to just one

[3:03:55] Voice 11: that's a fairly big project but I think that's going to be a political decision from the other

[3:04:00] Voice 11: we could recommend that I leave that to you the

[3:04:02] Voice 10: other thing I can tell you is when I heard some

[3:04:05] Voice 11: of the things I heard today and when I heard earlier I had no idea it was by law enforcement

[3:04:09] Voice 11: we are told unless there's a reason for us

[3:04:14] Voice 11: to be told so as I indicated we're going to get

[3:04:17] Voice 11: briefed on that in a new camera session a little later today and we can discuss your second request

[3:04:24] Voice 11: request about the bylaw enforcement for this.

[3:04:27] Voice 11: I don't know what trustees think about the issue

[3:04:30] Voice 11: of bylaw amendment as opposed to bylaw enforcement.

[3:04:36] Voice 3: Well, I think your point that we have three associated

[3:04:42] Voice 3: islands that could sort of fall into that,

[3:04:45] Voice 3: Gossett, Parker and Wise.

[3:04:47] Voice 3: And so it may be worth looking at all three issues

[3:04:53] Voice 3: for all three.

[3:04:55] Voice 11: i i don't know them well enough honestly we've been here i've been here four years and they

[3:04:59] Voice 11: don't have almost no issues arise on the name of that and so i don't know the specifics of them

[3:05:05] i don't know i guess we could recommend the next local trust committee and another project

[3:05:11] Voice 11: to set up to examine setting up separate or at least a

[3:05:16] Voice 10: subset of the main bylaws

[3:05:19] Voice 10: at

[3:05:19] Voice 11: least examine the issues look at the options um as a project so

[3:05:27] Voice 4: we could bring that up at the

[3:05:28] Voice 4: project unfortunately yes okay

[3:05:31] Voice 10: okay yeah because it is not an easy thing i can tell you this uh

[3:05:38] Voice 10: mr jensen made it sound

[3:05:40] Voice 11: simple about the associated bylaws in

[3:05:43] Voice 5: my area the associated

[3:05:46] Voice 11: eight item bylaws was a was a two and a half to three year project um and it took a while and i

[3:05:52] Voice 11: appreciate that you're and there were a lot of volunteers that hung in there and things so your

[3:05:57] Voice 11: your father may have been involved and uh and several planners they tell stories all the time

[3:06:04] Voice 11: so yeah i would just say that a number of us have read the different individual bylaws and you can

[3:06:13] Voice 11: can see the care and attention that went into each one. And

[3:06:15] Voice 11: that doesn't, that doesn't come lightly, we recognize that. So

[3:06:19] Voice 10: take

[3:06:19] Voice 11: time, but we think, you know, I would agree with what

[3:06:22] Voice 11: trustee Wilberton said that there are some combinations

[3:06:25] Voice 11: that will be wise and gossip Parker is much bigger, much

[3:06:28] Voice 11: bigger.

[3:06:31] Voice 11: So we'll, we'll maybe we'll discuss it and get projects

[3:06:35] Voice 11: realized, either add or recommend that I get to the

[3:06:39] Voice 11: project list uh for the next term so um and then as i said we'll be discussing the enforcement

[3:06:44] Voice 11: uh anything further on the white islands

[3:06:51] Voice 11: no

[3:06:52] Voice 3: there was one piece of correspondence regarding uh

[3:06:56] Voice 3: telecommunications from michael sharp yeah

[3:06:58] Voice 10: i got that yeah

[3:06:58] Voice 10: i said

[3:07:01] Voice 3: three

[3:07:02] Voice 10: but we can

[3:07:03] Voice 10: talk about do you want to talk about separately

[3:07:05] Voice 10: no

[3:07:05] Voice 3: no no that's fine that's fine i i just i didn't realize

[3:07:10] Voice 10: No, I know he, well, I read it

[3:07:11] Voice 3: as being a

[3:07:13] Voice 10: plea for better health and patient.

[3:07:16] Voice 10: So I loved it.

[3:07:17] Voice 10: Plus, I found it very amusing that the note about where the closest pain home was.

[3:07:23] Voice 10: If you haven't read that.

[3:07:25] Voice 3: It's Sook.

[3:07:28] Voice 11: I'm sure that's a meme.

[3:07:31] Voice 3: I

[3:07:31] Voice 11: actually wrote it back because I was so appalled by that note.

[3:07:37] Voice 11: I thought

[3:07:38] Voice 10: it was a joke.

[3:07:38] Voice 10: i thought it was but it probably isn't no sense of humor um i'm going to skip the community break

[3:07:46] Voice 10: unless you'd like to have it let's shall we move right into the application so we're referrals

[3:07:50] Voice 10: yes uh so uh gaylor uh is the first application up so uh is there someone here representing uh

[3:07:58] Voice 11: uh the applicant on the applicants on um uh 221.2 et cetera et cetera um

[3:08:06] Voice 9: so the trustees have received a request from the applicant to defer this discussion to the

[3:08:12] Voice 9: september 27th oh

[3:08:14] Voice 11: oh i didn't know that okay um i'm

[3:08:18] Voice 4: gonna make that motion okay

[3:08:25] Voice 6: i'm making a

[3:08:31] Voice 4: motion to defer applications gl rz 2021 decimal two um to that september 27th

[3:08:39] Voice 4: okay okay

[3:08:40] Voice 10: i'm happy to

[3:08:43] Voice 11: refer that uh okay

[3:08:45] Voice 10: anything any further discussion

[3:08:47] Voice 5: i've got a motion did you

[3:08:48] Voice 5: get that uh robin can't hear you can

[3:08:58] Voice 2: you give that to me again please did

[3:09:00] Voice 10: you get the motion

[3:09:01] Voice 5: the motion was

[3:09:01] Voice 10: to defer item 13.1.1 so gl rz 2021.2 to the september 27th global trust okay got it

[3:09:15] Voice 10: that's been moved by trustee robert holland secondly okay nothing further all in favor

[3:09:21] Voice 10: all right uh

[3:09:23] Voice 11: walker i'm guessing this is the gentleman standing in the back

[3:09:27] Voice 11: i don't know why i guess that except when you came in yeah

[3:09:35] Voice 11: to know about that so mr walker so here's what we're going to do um uh this is to consider your

[3:09:41] Voice 11: application for temporary use permit uh we're going to get a staff report unfortunately mr

[3:09:47] Voice 11: testamil is away but

[3:09:49] Voice 10: mr smith is going to give it i think to brad and then we don't have any

[3:09:53] Voice 10: questions we have for

[3:09:55] Voice 11: this planner and then i'll get you and give you an opportunity to address

[3:09:58] Voice 11: questions for us

[3:10:08] Voice 9: So Mr. Walker is applying for a temporary use permit to establish a storage facility

[3:10:16] Voice 9: for his service business locally with no civic address but along Georgian Bay Road

[3:10:26] Voice 9: directly adjacent to the maintenance yard that already exists there.

[3:10:30] Voice 9: so staff are recommending that the local trust committee consider the approval of the temporary

[3:10:36] Voice 9: this permit with the addition of another additional item center of this 52 agenda

[3:10:46] Voice 9: package assuming uh that these items were added after we noticed

[3:10:53] Voice 9: Yeah, the living

[3:10:54] Voice 11: recommended to,

[3:10:56] Voice 9: to, to add

[3:10:57] Voice 11: additional conditions, right, which is about

[3:11:02] Voice 11: this can remove condition. So

[3:11:08] Voice 9: the period of the temporary permit is for three years, where

[3:11:14] Voice 9: you can prove a temporary permit for up to three years. And at the end of the allotted

[3:11:22] Voice 9: time the applicant can request it a renewal up to another three years after that the applicant would

[3:11:28] Voice 9: then be required to see the permit so the purpose of the of the temporary use permit is for the

[3:11:34] Voice 9: operation of the contract the owner uh the scope of the proposed uses of the story of

[3:11:45] Voice 9: the sighting of two buildings for office and storage of tools and the storage of vehicles

[3:11:51] Voice 9: equipment and machinery to

[3:11:52] Voice 9: supplement the

[3:11:54] Voice 9: uses.

[3:11:56] Voice 9: There would be no

[3:11:58] Voice 9: ability to

[3:12:01] Voice 9: have wholesale or retail

[3:12:02] Voice 9: sale of products from the property

[3:12:04] Voice 9: but the applicant could

[3:12:06] Voice 9: store materials

[3:12:09] Voice 9: to be sold

[3:12:11] Voice 9: to

[3:12:12] Voice 9: other property owners or businesses

[3:12:15] Voice 9: on the island as long as

[3:12:17] Voice 9: those materials aren't being collected

[3:12:18] Voice 9: at the actual property so the retail work also so it's kind of a great property

[3:12:26] Voice 9: that's part of the business the applicant could be

[3:12:30] Voice 9: selling those materials to and delivering them to other locations

[3:12:36] Voice 9: you have the information there i'm not going to get into too much detail as

[3:12:41] Voice 9: uh ability there is a map on page 55 there was a question about the fence earlier uh the drawing

[3:12:50] Voice 9: on the map and then the temperance permit does show the fence on the outside edge of the trees

[3:12:55] Voice 9: uh was the

[3:12:56] Voice 9: understanding of i think myself and the

[3:12:59] Voice 9: applicant alignment with the monster

[3:13:00] Voice 9: so staff would recommend that you rather than change the map in the

[3:13:07] Voice 9: temporary is broken you could add another condition that states that the fence will

[3:13:13] Voice 9: be located on the inner boundary of those streets and that will provide some natural

[3:13:19] Voice 9: barrier between the fence line and the roadway and i think that i will just

[3:13:28] Voice 9: leave it there and pass it back to you chair rogers for any questions

[3:13:32] Voice 9: Thanks

[3:13:32] Voice 10: very much. Do trustees have questions for the plan?

[3:13:36] Voice 4: No, I just wanted to clarify the material can then be sold for non-septic use purposes from the applicant,

[3:13:44] Voice 4: but if serviced by himself or because the contract doesn't work for him.

[3:13:49] Voice 9: As long as it's under the auspices of his business.

[3:13:53] Voice 9: the bill of his business yeah he wouldn't have to be using all the materials directly for

[3:14:00] Voice 9: uh contracts that he is administering he could be selling materials

[3:14:04] Voice 9: no

[3:14:05] Voice 6: questions for the planner

[3:14:12] Voice 3: questions for the applicant okay

[3:14:16] Voice 11: so um so walker we may have some

[3:14:19] Voice 11: questions for you um and i'll

[3:14:22] Voice 10: just say if you could address if you want to talk two things

[3:14:26] Voice 10: and you're welcome to address anything you wish but for me if i could address uh whether you're

[3:14:32] Voice 11: okay with all the additional conditions that mr planner test mail has recommended and the second

[3:14:38] Voice 11: thing you could address is um the issue that seems to have arisen with a number of the correspondence

[3:14:43] Voice 11: we've got in the hours of operations on weekends and maybe you can address those things so yeah

[3:14:49] Voice 11: go ahead

[3:14:50] Voice 10: other than that

[3:14:50] Voice 11: you're welcome to address the whole stuff i mean at this point we're happy

[3:14:54] Voice 11: with the way it's proposed i mean that fits our our application what we need to do so yeah i don't

[3:15:00] Voice 11: know with ours i think we propose just to follow the noise bylaw that's where we hold from uh our

[3:15:08] Voice 11: intent isn't to work on weekends um we do want the ability to work weekend so hopefully we can

[3:15:13] Voice 11: cover the compromise for the neighbors to restrict those weekends and stats our client main hours

[3:15:22] I don't

[3:15:23] Voice 12: know if there's any questions to that or if we have a proposal.

[3:15:27] Voice 11: Go ahead.

[3:15:28] Voice 4: I was considering proposing that we restrict hours from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. on weekdays,

[3:15:35] Voice 4: and then no operational trucks over 10,000 cases.

[3:15:40] Voice 4: Would that be the same as Stephen's language in his proposal,

[3:15:46] Voice 4: which would allow them to still do work with the smaller vehicles on weekends and holidays

[3:15:52] Voice 4: is but not the larger industrial drugs

[3:15:55] Voice 10: so sorry

[3:15:56] Voice 4: yeah

[3:16:00] Voice 10: yeah so maybe we could um i'll bet you can

[3:16:04] Voice 10: hear me um but the uh maybe we could repeat that so yeah

[3:16:10] Voice 4: i was um just thinking that if we

[3:16:14] Voice 4: risk i mean i think that maybe

[3:16:16] Voice 10: i could have a guess yeah i

[3:16:17] Voice 4: think maybe perhaps if you would

[3:16:19] Voice 4: consider 7 a.m to 5 p.m on weekdays which will allow you to publicly catch the 645 ferry

[3:16:25] Voice 4: um and then no operational trucks over 10 000 kg gross vehicle weight on weekends and

[3:16:30] Voice 4: style holidays yeah

[3:16:31] Voice 12: i mean i think getting a partner would like to consult but i think uh

[3:16:35] that sounds acceptable to us for sure

[3:16:38] Voice 12: we would limit

[3:16:40] Voice 5: any big machines and making noise on the

[3:16:42] Voice 11: weekends i look over here to our new neighbors but uh make sure we limit that to the big trucks

[3:16:47] Voice 11: and then the little truck coming out for servicing there's an emergency call on the weekend we still

[3:16:51] Voice 11: want to handcuff ourselves so i think that's definitely what we're willing to be excited about

[3:16:58] Voice 10: so 10 sorry 10 kilograms on weekends

[3:17:08] Voice 10: and then

[3:17:09] Voice 11: seven to five on weekdays or weeks

[3:17:14] Voice 11: 7

[3:17:14] Voice 4: a.m to 5 p.m on weekdays and

[3:17:18] Voice 11: then currently on weekends they're allowed to operate until 7 p.m

[3:17:22] Voice 4: right i didn't uh i was kind of thinking to be the same hours on weekends

[3:17:26] Voice 4: okay

[3:17:27] Voice 9: so

[3:17:38] Voice 10: okay well that's okay that's a good question and the answer

[3:17:41] Voice 11: you got was yes he prepared

[3:17:42] Voice 11: to the work with that modification trustee okay

[3:17:46] Voice 7: so a question was posed to me

[3:17:50] Voice 3: about sewage and

[3:17:52] Voice 3: whether you would be storing sewage at that site so

[3:17:56] Voice 12: we wouldn't be storing any sewage okay

[3:17:58] Voice 3: and then another question was posed uh regarding the traffic island and whether you were seeking

[3:18:06] Voice 3: to alter, I don't know, the tree in the road or the Montague.

[3:18:10] Voice 3: We're

[3:18:11] Voice 12: seeking to alter? No, nothing.

[3:18:12] Voice 3: I just wanted to confirm that.

[3:18:14] Voice 3: And then we, you and I, spoke about trying to keep the speed below the speed limit on

[3:18:21] Voice 3: George Sabé Road.

[3:18:22] Voice 3: You know, I mean, I know it's 50, but when you're walking there or biking, 50 is pretty

[3:18:27] Voice 3: fast.

[3:18:28] Voice 11: Yeah.

[3:18:28] Voice 11: I mean, hopefully we'll be citizens of the island, but yeah, reducing our speed.

[3:18:33] Voice 11: It's probably

[3:18:34] Voice 3: a better scope.

[3:18:35] Voice 11: no i don't think we can put it no

[3:18:36] Voice 3: no no i just wanted to hear uh yeah

[3:18:39] Voice 12: we're willing to drive

[3:18:40] Voice 12: safely amongst the island i'm sure if we want to be excited because

[3:18:44] Voice 3: there's also the school

[3:18:46] Voice 3: bus stop over there so yeah

[3:18:48] Voice 11: he doesn't be mindful of pedestrians animals

[3:18:51] Voice 3: um

[3:18:52] Voice 4: yes

[3:18:53] Voice 11: other

[3:18:54] Voice 4: questions for the applicants in your original application that stated that you

[3:19:00] Voice 4: would like to store 400 yards cubed on the property and then the application was 600 yards

[3:19:05] Voice 4: cubed and i was wondering if we could amend that to the 400.

[3:19:08] Voice 11: i mean we have no problem yeah that's

[3:19:11] Voice 11: that's fine to amend that uh we just wanted to make sure we were tanked up with that that's why

[3:19:16] Voice 11: we went that way the 400 is definitely satisfactory that

[3:19:19] Voice 4: was in your original application so that'd be

[3:19:21] Voice 4: 305 meters cubed which was the the math on that okay

[3:19:27] Voice 12: okay

[3:19:27] Voice 4: so we

[3:19:41] Voice 10: have some amendments we have to do

[3:19:45] Voice 10: yeah yeah go ahead

[3:19:46] Voice 9: the uh the weight limit again well

[3:19:50] Voice 4: the stevens i'm guessing this is a

[3:19:52] Voice 4: like a big flat deck truck but the stevens application says 10 000 kg

[3:19:55] Voice 4: on the gbw so maximum

[3:19:59] Voice 11: gbw yeah

[3:20:00] Voice 11: it

[3:20:01] Voice 4: would be like our

[3:20:02] Voice 11: service truck opposed to a big dump truck yeah so

[3:20:05] Voice 11: that would be in and out

[3:20:15] Voice 5: okay anything else i

[3:20:18] Voice 4: have some comments but nothing uh further to us do you

[3:20:22] Voice 10: want to make

[3:20:23] Voice 10: your comments before we do all the text all the amendments oh

[3:20:26] Voice 4: i was just i am concerned about the

[3:20:28] Voice 4: traffic safety on the nature on the road given that montague road doesn't have

[3:20:33] Voice 4: signage when hitting south um but i think that's also outside i mean moti and the yard is already

[3:20:40] Voice 4: down there this works here um and i think that they clearly don't have an issue with that that's

[3:20:46] Voice 4: kind of outside of the scope of this tp i think as well given the relative size of those small

[3:20:52] Voice 4: relative size of it um also it has a section where the owner contractor will not be residing

[3:21:00] Voice 4: on the property but i think it's a reasonable exception given that it's it's within a

[3:21:04] Voice 4: distinct gated works here so i just want to make that noted because i normally wouldn't be um

[3:21:10] Voice 4: relaxed about going against ocb but i think this was appropriate

[3:21:17] Voice 10: okay um anything

[3:21:20] Voice 11: i'm just trying to figure out how to get our way through the minutes that we just

[3:21:27] discussed and

[3:21:28] Voice 10: that we want to do and maybe what we could do is um make the amendments first that

[3:21:35] Voice 10: you've talked about and then make the

[3:21:39] Voice 11: motion as written with the other amendment

[3:21:44] Voice 5: um no we can do it all in a number yeah

[3:21:51] Voice 10: go ahead i

[3:21:52] Voice 11: think i could help with word

[3:21:54] Voice 10: can i just say one other thing before i go out and rather than because we're going to

[3:21:58] Voice 10: sort of giving part of our reasons for indicating someone may

[3:22:02] Voice 11: raise the possibility that this would

[3:22:03] Voice 11: be a precedent for rezoning um i think it's pretty clear that it's not necessarily a

[3:22:11] pre-determination of any rezoning

[3:22:13] Voice 11: um it's one small little bit of a of a bigger lot

[3:22:19] Voice 11: um which would be a challenge in and of itself um so

[3:22:23] Voice 10: i don't think we and and i think it's

[3:22:25] Voice 10: and i know that the application also

[3:22:28] Voice 11: in the case that

[3:22:28] Voice 11: you might also look for other locations so

[3:22:31] Voice 11: they don't think you need to be concerned i forget who it was that raised that i think it was the

[3:22:36] Voice 11: amount that this was somehow setting the precedent for any kind of a rezoning related to this

[3:22:42] that would be a fairly comfortable application

[3:22:47] Voice 10: a standard world application doesn't mean some

[3:22:50] Voice 10: of the information you might get from from a team who is granted here might not assist in that

[3:22:56] Voice 10: like traffic flows and things of that nature, but it won't be a problem.

[3:23:00] Voice 4: If we're going to give all a rationale then, I did have another comment.

[3:23:04] Voice 4: This is specifically considering approving a temporary use permit, because if it was a rezoning in this specific area, it might be a completely different consideration.

[3:23:14] Voice 4: So this rationale is strictly for a temporary use permit.

[3:23:17] Voice 4: right so

[3:23:19] Voice 11: what's your suggestion blacksmith there were at least three new conditions or amendments

[3:23:24] Voice 9: i would suggest that you first work through a recommendation right approve all four of those

[3:23:33] Voice 9: and then we'll add a new condition with respect to the 10 000 kilogram maximum on weekends and then

[3:23:41] Voice 9: a new condition with respect to the fence requiring that it be on the inside of the

[3:23:51] Voice 9: tree line and then you pass a second amendment or a second resolution that instead of saying

[3:24:00] Voice 9: instead of saying

[3:24:06] Voice 9: by the addition of the following you say by the amendment of the fall

[3:24:12] Voice 9: uh the change in weekday hours the change in weekend hours and the change in total volume

[3:24:19] Voice 9: so two two resolutions all

[3:24:24] Voice 11: right so your suggestion first of all is to just work from

[3:24:27] Voice 11: number one as it's written correct

[3:24:29] Voice 9: and then we'll add

[3:24:30] Voice 11: five and

[3:24:31] Voice 9: six as

[3:24:33] Voice 10: part of this to get the max

[3:24:35] Voice 10: roll

[3:24:35] Voice 11: maneuver okay so do you want to do this uh trustee rockville uh

[3:24:40] Voice 4: i'll move that the

[3:24:41] Voice 4: galileo local trust committee man draft number use permit gl 2022.1 walker as shown with attachment

[3:24:48] Voice 4: five to the staff report by the addition of the following one that a new condition

[3:24:53] should be added stating storage is all committed heavy machinery and equipment shall include a

[3:24:58] suspended rope system consisting of grommeted cambered squares

[3:25:00] Voice 4: suspended beneath the engine

[3:25:02] Voice 4: in line with the server pads two that the new condition be stated that the storage of any fuels

[3:25:10] Voice 4: three that the new condition be added stating that an emergency spill kit shall be provided

[3:25:14] Voice 4: to the area and four that the new condition be added stating all permitted equipment materials

[3:25:20] Voice 4: the site by the date of the expired permit the removal of venting is not a condition

[3:25:25] Voice 4: of this permit um and then five

[3:25:34] Voice 11: well we're

[3:25:35] Voice 10: going to have to go slowly now so far we've just been reading the one that's in the

[3:25:40] Voice 10: package but the next one i

[3:25:42] Voice 9: would say that a new condition be added to

[3:25:50] Voice 9: three i three roman numeral three under i that the fence be located on the inside perimeter

[3:26:05] Voice 9: of the existing tree line on either side of the accents for access to okay can you can

[3:26:13] Voice 2: you repeat that for me

[3:26:15] Voice 9: that's the that the well it actually says both sides so why don't

[3:26:20] Voice 9: we have to just amend that and say uh so let's scratch that one we could just amend number two

[3:26:27] Voice 9: there when we get to that so the only one that we need to add is the ten thousand first period

[3:26:33] Voice 9: and

[3:26:33] Voice 4: that would be under 3c uh under the or as an operation i'm wondering

[3:26:41] Voice 10: why we're not just

[3:26:41] Voice 10: amending yeah

[3:26:42] Voice 11: what do you just amend go back to the fence and just uh when we roll five right say

[3:26:50] Voice 11: that the permit be amended or accept that preamble five the fence be on the inside of the

[3:26:56] Voice 11: tree line okay yeah that's what i was done yep robin you get that

[3:27:02] Voice 9: no

[3:27:02] Voice 2: i need you to repeat that

[3:27:04] Voice 2: it's really hard to hear let's

[3:27:06] Voice 9: be on the inside of the tree line

[3:27:08] Voice 2: that the fence be on the inside

[3:27:09] Voice 2: of the tree line and that's number five number

[3:27:12] Voice 11: five okay and then roman number six the weekday

[3:27:18] Voice 11: day operating

[3:27:18] Voice 9: hours be amended to 7am to 5pm weekday

[3:27:24] Voice 2: operating hours be amended again from

[3:27:29] Voice 9: 7am to 5pm

[3:27:31] Voice 2: 7am to 5pm okay and

[3:27:34] Voice 9: roman uh seven okay let the weekend hours be amended from

[3:27:43] Voice 9: From 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.

[3:27:45] Voice 9: To be from.

[3:27:46] Voice 9: To be from.

[3:27:47] Voice 10: 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.

[3:27:49] Voice 10: From to

[3:27:50] Voice 2: 5 p.m.

[3:27:51] Voice 2: Okay.

[3:27:52] Voice 10: And that's, and that just so we're clear, that's Saturday, Sundays, and holidays.

[3:27:57] Voice 2: Did you even write that in there?

[3:27:59] Voice 11: Yeah, Saturday, Sunday, and holidays.

[3:28:02] Voice 11: And then age.

[3:28:04] Voice 2: Between

[3:28:04] Voice 4: when the girls get the weight.

[3:28:06] Voice 9: Lower row can do nothing.

[3:28:07] Voice 9: The maximum volume of aggregates be 305 meters squared.

[3:28:15] Voice 2: one sec uh the maximum volume of which aggregate

[3:28:21] Voice 11: a e r e g a t t

[3:28:27] Voice 2: b so the maximum volume of

[3:28:30] Voice 2: aggregates be sorry 400 600 did you say 400 cubed yards

[3:28:37] Voice 9: we'll read it out to you

[3:28:38] Voice 2: the

[3:28:40] Voice 9: maximum volume

[3:28:41] Voice 9: of aggregates and solar materials at any one time will be limited to 305 meters cubed.

[3:28:52] Voice 2: That's yarn.

[3:28:53] Voice 2: 305?

[3:28:54] Voice 11: Yep.

[3:28:57] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:28:58] Voice 4: We could put in brackets 400 yards like that.

[3:29:01] Voice 4: I will.

[3:29:03] Voice 10: And then eight,

[3:29:04] Voice 9: that on

[3:29:09] Voice 10: Saturdays, Sundays, and holidays, the maximum gross vehicle weight

[3:29:15] Voice 10: of any vehicle would be $10,000.

[3:29:20] Voice 2: Okay, so that's part of number eight, or that's number nine?

[3:29:23] Voice 5: Number nine.

[3:29:25] Voice 2: Number nine, okay.

[3:29:26] Voice 2: Can you repeat that for me, please, Dan?

[3:29:28] Voice 11: The maximum

[3:29:29] Voice 11: gross vehicle

[3:29:31] Voice 11: weight for any vehicles shall be limited to 10,000 kilograms

[3:29:42] Voice 4: on

[3:29:44] Voice 11: Saturdays, Sundays, or holidays.

[3:29:48] Voice 2: Okay, got it.

[3:29:52] Voice 9: I think that's all of the changes you've discussed.

[3:29:55] Voice 4: I think it is.

[3:29:56] Voice 4: Yeah, everything.

[3:29:58] Voice 4: Well,

[3:29:58] Voice 11: we got it all.

[3:30:01] Voice 11: not really no

[3:30:02] Voice 2: i have to rewrite them anyway i

[3:30:06] Voice 10: think i think we got um i

[3:30:10] Voice 11: think those were all

[3:30:11] Voice 11: of the

[3:30:11] Voice 10: amendments we got the fence we

[3:30:13] Voice 11: got the maximum cubic we got the hours and we got the

[3:30:17] Voice 11: maximum vehicle weight and we got the ones that were in they were in the staff report uh so that

[3:30:25] Voice 10: move that's been moved uh by trustee rockefeller as their secretary for all that um and then i

[3:30:31] Voice 10: think is there any further discussion you want to have

[3:30:33] Voice 11: related to the uh the proposed amendments to

[3:30:38] Voice 10: the to the tup and if that's the case i'll call the vote and that passes unanimously and then

[3:30:45] Voice 10: there's a second um motion there

[3:30:49] Voice 11: i guess we put in the temporary use permit as amended

[3:30:52] Voice 11: did it uh move

[3:30:54] Voice 4: that the gallery for additions of temporary gl 2022 walker as a for a period

[3:31:02] Voice 4: of three years as amended right they

[3:31:05] Voice 11: seconded you want to discuss this uh

[3:31:08] Voice 4: no i think i put all

[3:31:09] Voice 4: my stuff i'll

[3:31:11] Voice 11: just say for the record you've got a lot of facts you got a lot of commentary

[3:31:16] Voice 11: and

[3:31:17] Voice 10: thank you for the people who made thoughtful comments by the way did that help us get a

[3:31:21] Voice 10: temporary use permit that fits everybody's needs hopefully so um with that i'll call the vote

[3:31:28] thank

[3:31:29] Voice 11: you very much thank you

[3:31:33] Voice 11: okay

[3:31:34] Voice 10: let's carry on uh next on the agenda is uh dl64

[3:31:44] Voice 11: of course which is what we just had the public hearing about uh irish smith do you wish to

[3:31:52] i said page 74 of the agenda do you wish to say anything further beyond what you said in

[3:31:58] the community information meeting or the public i

[3:32:02] Voice 9: think

[3:32:07] Voice 11: that that's up to the trustees do you

[3:32:09] Voice 11: have anything for you like that or say trustee only

[3:32:13] Voice 3: that um that that this property was uh 68

[3:32:20] Voice 3: 7287 remain in the inventory uh that would be open to land claims in the future yes

[3:32:27] Voice 9: zoning

[3:32:28] Voice 9: doesn't change the property ownership or any rights or obligations of the public

[3:32:33] Voice 9: yeah right there

[3:32:35] Voice 3: was i should have there was no comment

[3:32:37] Voice 9: uh or response received on the second round

[3:32:45] Voice 3: yes and

[3:32:46] Voice 10: even if we wanted

[3:32:47] Voice 11: to or

[3:32:48] Voice 10: what we're inclined to we couldn't and we wouldn't but

[3:32:51] we wouldn't be inclined to so

[3:32:53] Voice 11: um it's just changing the use as far as we're concerned

[3:32:57] Voice 11: so if there's no other questions or comments there are a series of recommendations

[3:33:02] Voice 4: Um, yes, I'll make a motion. Um, sorry. It's on

[3:33:11] Voice 4: page, um, 74.

[3:33:12] Voice 4: I haven't. It's missing the word. The words are really caught me off guard there. I think it's approved proposed by law. Yeah, approved proposed by law number two. No, no, no, no.

[3:33:23] Voice 11: It's the way it's made. It says that the guy will be proposed by law.

[3:33:28] Voice 4: And that can go on and be read a second time.

[3:33:30] Voice 4: I was like,

[3:33:30] Voice 4: oh, I've got this.

[3:33:31] Voice 4: So this is Gallinol Local Trust Committee's proposed

[3:33:33] Voice 4: bylaw number 231, said it is Gallinol Island,

[3:33:36] Voice 4: official community plan number 108,

[3:33:37] Voice 4: amendment number 14, 2011, be read a second time.

[3:33:43] Voice 11: Okay, so we're second here for that.

[3:33:44] Voice 11: Okay, any discussion?

[3:33:46] Voice 11: If not, a full vote.

[3:33:47] Voice 11: Houses, go ahead.

[3:33:49] Voice 4: I make a motion that the Gallinol Local Trust Committee

[3:33:51] Voice 4: propose bylaw number 232, said it's Gallinol Island

[3:33:55] Voice 4: bylaw number 127, 1999,

[3:33:57] Voice 4: 299, amendment number three, 2011, be read a second time.

[3:34:01] Voice 11: Seconded, any discussion?

[3:34:02] Voice 11: All in favor, that passes.

[3:34:04] Voice 11: Trustee

[3:34:04] Voice 10: Wilberton, you wanna read something?

[3:34:06] Voice 3: Sure, that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[3:34:09] Voice 3: proposed by law number 231,

[3:34:11] Voice 3: set it as Galliano Island Official Community Plan

[3:34:13] Voice 3: number 108, 1995, amendment number 14, 2011,

[3:34:18] Voice 3: be read for a third time.

[3:34:19] Voice 11: Seconded, all in favor, go ahead.

[3:34:23] Voice 11: That the Galliano Island

[3:34:24] Voice 3: Local Trust Committee

[3:34:25] Voice 3: proposed by law 232,

[3:34:27] Voice 3: cited as Galliano Island land use,

[3:34:31] Voice 3: by law number 127, 1999,

[3:34:34] Voice 3: and by law number 3, 2011,

[3:34:36] Voice 3: be read for the third time.

[3:34:37] Voice 11: Okay, seconded.

[3:34:38] Voice 11: Any discussion?

[3:34:39] Voice 11: All in favor?

[3:34:40] Voice 11: Go ahead.

[3:34:41] Voice 11: Who wants to do the next, number five?

[3:34:45] Voice 3: That the Galliano Island Trust Committee

[3:34:47] Voice 3: proposed by laws number 231 and 232

[3:34:50] Voice 3: be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust

[3:34:53] Voice 3: for executive approval.

[3:34:55] Voice 3: approval and

[3:34:56] Voice 11: seconded all in favor that will not happen or trust before trust council go ahead

[3:35:04] Voice 3: that the galliano island local trust committee proposed bylaw 231 will be forwarded to the

[3:35:09] Voice 3: minister second favor

[3:35:13] Voice 11: passes thanks for your work on this so oh well you never know we may

[3:35:19] Voice 11: get those adopted before now i haven't come back to the minister uh okay now we're at the work

[3:35:27] Voice 11: program report this is where you have your top priorities report and the projects report and the

[3:35:32] discussion we've heard related to both of the foreshore

[3:35:36] Voice 11: and the wise island uh we've now finished

[3:35:40] Voice 11: uh rezoning right but it's on our agenda 64 68 72 87 and then there's this list of projects

[3:35:55] Voice 11: I would like

[3:35:59] Voice 4: to add the project, I'm not sure what to call it, maybe Outer Island potential

[3:36:06] Voice 4: land use by-law amendments?

[3:36:08] Voice 4: Do you have

[3:36:10] Voice 10: any suggested language?

[3:36:11] Voice 9: Yes, regulation review,

[3:36:13] Voice 11: review of why the island regulations potentially for Parker

[3:36:20] Voice 11: and goss are

[3:36:24] Voice 5: those the only three two more points yeah

[3:36:28] Voice 11: that's

[3:36:32] Voice 3: a good point what's that

[3:36:33] Voice 3: till the more points

[3:36:34] Voice 5: i don't know what that is

[3:36:35] Voice 3: it's fun galliano but it is water access only

[3:36:38] Voice 3: it's on the other side oh okay

[3:36:44] Voice 3: right um

[3:36:47] Voice 11: so maybe we can find a generic way of

[3:37:02] Voice 6: If

[3:37:03] Voice 11: you want to add that

[3:37:04] Voice 11: as a project,

[3:37:05] Voice 4: I'll take it that Robin gets the language.

[3:37:14] Voice 4: No,

[3:37:14] Voice 11: I'm sure she didn't.

[3:37:18] Voice 2: I should have written that.

[3:37:21] Voice 2: Yeah, you'll have to. You could type it out, send it to me or just please.

[3:37:30] Voice 2: please page which no

[3:37:32] Voice 10: no it's not in the it's not in it's not in the agenda

[3:37:39] Voice 10: we got so it's basically specifically designated wise island and other water access only

[3:37:45] Voice 11: potentially other water access only in

[3:37:48] Voice 10: the local trust area i

[3:37:51] Voice 11: mean because that's really what you're

[3:37:53] Voice 11: talking about, you could call them the associated items like

[3:37:56] Voice 11: we do and everywhere else, but really, they call. So do you

[3:38:02] Voice 11: want to add your motion is to add that project land use

[3:38:06] Voice 11: biologics review for wise on other water access only

[3:38:10] Voice 11: locations in the local trust area to the projects list.

[3:38:14] Voice 11: So

[3:38:14] Voice 4: the new ROTC can consider that when they make their

[3:38:17] Voice 4: project list.

[3:38:19] Voice 10: Okay. Okay. So there's a motion made. You got that, uh, Smith,

[3:38:24] Voice 10: the planner Smith said to Robert.

[3:38:27] Voice 2: Thank you guys so much. Okay. Thank you.

[3:38:31] Voice 9: Just send you the wording of that Robert.

[3:38:34] Voice 2: So

[3:38:34] Voice 10: then that we've got that for the minutes that's been moved.

[3:38:37] Voice 10: Is there a seconder? Okay.

[3:38:39] Voice 10: I'll pass ready discussion that you'd like to make.

[3:38:44] Voice 10: No. Okay. I guess it'll be up to them.

[3:38:47] Voice 10: and what i would say is what i've said to you both in writing you want to lobby the new local trust

[3:38:51] Voice 10: to put them off the projects and onto the top priority list and that's that's um that's that's

[3:38:59] Voice 10: how things get done because when is

[3:39:01] Voice 9: the

[3:39:02] Voice 10: election the

[3:39:03] Voice 9: election occurs on

[3:39:04] Voice 10: october 15th the new

[3:39:05] Voice 10: trustees will be sworn in

[3:39:06] Voice 11: on november the fourth so uh i honestly don't know when their first local

[3:39:14] Voice 11: the trust committee sometime in early november

[3:39:17] Voice 11: november 7th

[3:39:19] Voice 11: i think the timing is based somewhat

[3:39:21] Voice 11: by the enforcement issues to the extent that if there is um if there is urgent enforcement then

[3:39:26] Voice 5: we have to we have to deal with

[3:39:28] Voice 11: this if it's we can

[3:39:29] Voice 11: deal with it

[3:39:30] Voice 12: but it's still if you want to

[3:39:31] Voice 11: deal with this a long-term project

[3:39:32] Voice 11: even even if we make some decision or uh request in our

[3:39:37] Voice 11: camera meeting eventually i think everyone has a project list of things on the bottom

[3:39:43] Voice 11: ground five years old but my point only was the way things get done is to move it from the product

[3:39:49] to the top priority thank you because

[3:39:53] Voice 11: otherwise um yeah i was just gonna say for the new local

[3:39:57] Voice 11: trust committee they'll be orientation uh these

[3:40:03] Voice 12: involved and

[3:40:04] Voice 11: then they'll probably get planning

[3:40:06] Voice 11: Any projects this every alternative, if they don't apply, could apply a free so like the, like, like, maybe we'll meet with the new LPC and then, and then stop and also help you with the motion on the table.

[3:40:59] Voice 11: It's been second.

[3:41:00] Voice 10: Is there any further discussion?

[3:41:04] Voice 11: that passes you now so uh anything further you wish to do with the projects list do you wish to

[3:41:10] Voice 11: do something with yes go ahead

[3:41:11] Voice 3: um i would move that uh we add to the projects list the shoreline

[3:41:16] Voice 3: protection model bylaw uh recommendations okay

[3:41:21] Voice 5: robin

[3:41:24] Voice 10: did you get

[3:41:25] Voice 5: that hey

[3:41:27] Voice 2: can you just repeat

[3:41:28] Voice 2: it for me i got part of it so

[3:41:30] Voice 11: um trustee wolverton's moved that we add to the projects

[3:41:34] Voice 11: the shoreline protection model bylaw recommendation.

[3:41:39] Voice 2: Model bylaw recommendation?

[3:41:41] Voice 11: Model bylaw recommendation.

[3:41:45] Voice 2: To the projects list?

[3:41:47] Voice 11: Correct.

[3:41:48] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:41:49] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:41:52] Voice 11: Any, is there a seconder for that motion?

[3:41:54] Voice 11: You know, I'm seeing some, oh, no.

[3:41:57] Voice 4: No, I was thinking about something else, sorry.

[3:41:59] Voice 11: Is there a seconder for that?

[3:42:01] Voice 11: Oh,

[3:42:01] Voice 4: a second, yeah.

[3:42:02] Voice 4: Oh, sorry, I

[3:42:02] Voice 11: didn't see a second.

[3:42:04] Voice 11: Do you wish to speak to your motion at all?

[3:42:06] Voice 3: um nobody but well other than to say that there may be opportunities for um bundling this with

[3:42:14] Voice 3: a project with other islands yeah and so that would

[3:42:18] Voice 3: be something that you know

[3:42:20] Voice 3: the new ltc

[3:42:22] Voice 3: could consider because it might make it more feasible well

[3:42:25] Voice 10: and if you did that you might be

[3:42:26] Voice 10: able to get the regional planning team to work on it that's true that's true our plans

[3:42:34] Voice 3: Yeah, so the regional planning committee has considered this and then sentence but but

[3:42:39] Voice 3: there aren't specific yet, but

[3:42:41] Voice 11: yeah, the answer to the capacity issue is the regional planning

[3:42:47] Voice 11: team, they take it on or

[3:42:49] Voice 3: the regional planning committee.

[3:42:51] Voice 11: Yes.

[3:42:52] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:42:53] Voice 3: Yes.

[3:42:53] Voice 11: Trusty.

[3:42:55] Voice 4: Thanks.

[3:42:58] Voice 11: Anything further?

[3:43:00] Voice 11: Yes.

[3:43:00] Voice 11: I

[3:43:01] Voice 4: was thinking, so I initially added number seven on the projects list at the beginning of the term.

[3:43:07] Voice 4: We've now done, we just worked on the 231 and 232 first reading.

[3:43:15] Voice 4: And so I was thinking of removing number seven as it's somewhat complicated.

[3:43:20] Voice 4: I think it's changed a bit and I don't want to confuse the people to see with that project.

[3:43:24] Voice 4: sure

[3:43:27] Voice 11: they can put their own project

[3:43:28] Voice 4: that's what i was thinking because i i was willing to put it

[3:43:31] Voice 4: there and i just think if it's okay with the ltc i was thinking perhaps removing that so the future

[3:43:36] Voice 4: ltc could make it a bit more succinct given that we've already we've already addressed a couple of

[3:43:42] Voice 4: those issues sure if you'd like to remove it and make that motion i would make a motion to review

[3:43:46] numbers to remove number

[3:43:48] Voice 4: seven off of the project okay

[3:43:51] Voice 10: and that's seconded robin

[3:43:54] Voice 10: did you get that

[3:43:55] Voice 10: i don't know how well you can hear yeah

[3:43:58] Voice 2: i think i did to remove number seven off the projects list

[3:44:01] Voice 2: right

[3:44:02] Voice 11: okay uh and if there's any

[3:44:04] Voice 11: others you want to take off next or like next meeting i think you

[3:44:08] Voice 4: know i'm going to think about it okay it

[3:44:09] Voice 4: helps it helps them clean up

[3:44:11] Voice 11: lists okay so all in favor

[3:44:14] anything else on the project okay

[3:44:16] Voice 11: so let's keep moving we

[3:44:19] Voice 11: aren't done yet we got an

[3:44:21] Voice 11: applications report dated uh august 22 2022 anything further any questions or comments

[3:44:28] Voice 11: nothing you'd like to flag we have an expense report we have our adopted standards

[3:44:34] Voice 11: uh we have the islands trust conservancy report um and they've actually referred it to as the

[3:44:41] Voice 11: comments and when's the comment period end they may remember how long do they

[3:44:47] Voice 10: do they want i can't

[3:44:50] Voice 10: a call i mean i don't have any comments i've read it and uh it looks like a great plan but i didn't

[3:44:56] Voice 10: know if you wanted to have a

[3:44:58] Voice 11: discussion if i don't prefer that to another meeting so

[3:45:01] Voice 11: or do you want to just indicate here in favor or how would you like to do it

[3:45:09] Voice 4: yeah

[3:45:09] Voice 11: yeah i would

[3:45:10] Voice 4: make i would um i read it i would

[3:45:14] Voice 3: be in favor yeah and i'm glad that they're

[3:45:16] Voice 3: taking the shorter time frame okay

[3:45:18] Voice 11: so do you want to make a motion to simply respond that we're in

[3:45:22] Voice 11: favor of the three-year plan yeah

[3:45:23] Voice 5: yeah okay

[3:45:24] Voice 11: so robin there's a motion uh from trustee rockefeller

[3:45:28] Voice 11: to uh respond to the island trust conservancy that that uh the galliano local trust committee

[3:45:38] Voice 11: approved their three-year funds

[3:45:43] Voice 2: so can you repeat the last part it didn't it was hard to hear the

[3:45:47] Voice 11: gala local trust committee

[3:45:48] Voice 11: approves the approves the of the uh three-year plan three-year plan

[3:45:56] Voice 2: is that what you're saying yes okay thank you

[3:45:59] Voice 11: okay that's been moved seconded all in favor

[3:46:03] Voice 11: uh new business delegation and development permits uh there's a report here from uh rpm

[3:46:13] Voice 11: and uh kojima related to this uh do you want to speak to your report thank you chair rogers so

[3:46:20] Voice 11: in june the trust council will be helped unanimously endorsed policy and a sample bylaw

[3:46:29] Voice 11: for the delegation of the authority to issue a bill staff which is a new authority for local

[3:46:36] Voice 11: trust committees so part of that one of the policy criteria was that staff focus delegation on local

[3:46:47] Voice 11: trust committees that meet certain criteria and so one of them was volume of applications

[3:46:53] Voice 11: so the southern region north pender of galiana of the highest volume of private applications

[3:46:58] Voice 11: So those are the two that are first going to potentially consider adopting a by-law

[3:47:04] to delegate

[3:47:05] Voice 11: the issuance of development permits.

[3:47:08] Voice 11: So the staff report briefly focuses on reviews, the key criteria, and the policy.

[3:47:18] Voice 11: When's the volume of applications?

[3:47:20] Voice 11: So 15 development permit applications over the last five years.

[3:47:30] Voice 11: processing time and the recency I guess the currency of development permit areas for

[3:47:43] Voice 11: Galliano development permit area 4 which is groundwater was adopted in 2014 all the others

[3:47:49] Voice 11: were either adopted or reviewed and updated in 2011 review so there is a development approval

[3:47:57] Voice 11: information bylaw professional reports are requirements of all permanent areas

[3:48:05] Voice 11: permanent area six which will form the character for industrial design focus assess the guidelines

[3:48:14] Voice 11: guidelines uh they're all fairly comprehensive effective um objective staff all checklists for

[3:48:23] Voice 11: them to assess compliance with the guidelines and so based on this staff can recommend delegation

[3:48:33] Voice 11: of issuance of development permits for all of galliano's development permit areas

[3:48:37] Voice 11: it's such a form of character one which is more of a design um more subjective while it's objective

[3:48:45] Voice 11: so that's the recommendation it's uh we're doing this at the top of the report on page

[3:49:16] Voice 11: and reading this that this if we adopted a bylaw like this there's

[3:49:22] Voice 11: an ability and the staff is

[3:49:23] Voice 11: going to turn down with the yeah comfortable trust committee for uh to reconsider the decision

[3:49:31] Voice 11: Correct. And in practice, you know, there might be an unconfirmed application that didn't comply with compliance.

[3:49:41] Voice 11: And so staff could reject it, but basically tell the applicant to leave it.

[3:49:47] I'm

[3:49:58] Voice 3: in favor of this approach, but I would like to be sure that we add into the shoreline and marine consultation with First Nations.

[3:50:10] Voice 3: Because I'm, I'm quite concerned that we translate, you know that our declaration into something actually on the ground, especially when there are so many remains that are on these shores, and we need to figure out how to work with that.

[3:50:28] Voice 3: yeah

[3:50:28] Voice 11: and as we discussed earlier there's the project for the heritage happening project

[3:50:34] Voice 11: yeah so that's the mechanism to do that this wouldn't change anything right this would be

[3:50:40] Voice 11: the same it would just be staff could potentially issue it yeah so my so what i understand you say

[3:50:48] Voice 11: really would be you want to re-look at the at the the guidelines for developing permit in the

[3:50:54] Voice 11: shoreline if you don't think that they're um respectful enough of cultural heritage issues

[3:51:01] Voice 11: i mean that is what you do is you have to go back and sort of that's where that's where the rubber

[3:51:08] Voice 5: another

[3:51:09] Voice 11: project which which is the which is which is a great project i sort of

[3:51:13] Voice 11: am thinking that it either comes out of the shoreline protection one yeah or it comes out

[3:51:19] Voice 11: of when the heritage cultural mapping is ready does that start do you know if it started again

[3:51:25] Voice 11: know what got stalled yeah i don't know um

[3:51:27] Voice 3: anyway but yeah

[3:51:29] Voice 11: go ahead i don't

[3:51:32] Voice 4: have any questions for

[3:51:33] Voice 4: the planner it's more just the drawing concerns i've heard about delegating this um to staff and

[3:51:41] Voice 4: i think something i didn't understand when i first began trustee is a very little movement around

[3:51:47] Voice 4: development permit areas you can't put conditions on them it's um you're basically if they if they

[3:51:53] Voice 4: meet their criteria they're they get approved and so i think it's a very appropriate um move to

[3:52:00] Voice 4: to delegate that to staff

[3:52:03] Voice 11: that's the difference that people don't often understand that they're

[3:52:06] Voice 11: just putting dps and bbps but you do the work out front yeah

[3:52:10] Voice 4: and i think i think people to make

[3:52:13] Voice 4: understand clear if there's concerns about the level of criteria well that needs to be addressed

[3:52:18] Voice 4: some projects to get further restrict tpa areas rather than to make a political decision during

[3:52:25] Voice 4: the approval time which is just ends up being a yes or no so anyways that was just uh to put that

[3:52:33] Voice 4: out there okay

[3:52:33] Voice 10: that's fine if it's not on the right anything further you wish to do or someone

[3:52:37] Voice 10: want to make a motion i'm

[3:52:39] Voice 4: happy to go ahead okay that the galliano island local trust committee

[3:52:43] Voice 4: you request that you prepare a single that would delegate issuance of development permits to staff

[3:52:48] Voice 4: to the following development permit areas a galliano island ocp bylaw number 108 1995

[3:52:58] Voice 11: secondly any further things further you want to say okay and i'll call the vote all in favor that

[3:53:05] Voice 11: passes you now thanks very much uh you don't need anything more for us thanks for the work that you

[3:53:11] Voice 11: did all that uh the next thing i want to say is that well the next regular meeting is scheduled

[3:53:16] Voice 11: for september 27th uh the there is also a community information meeting in this hall

[3:53:22] Voice 11: on september the 24th i'm not sure what the time it starts i forgot i think that's well

[3:53:28] Voice 4: just about that cim i'm the website state

[3:53:34] Voice 4: it

[3:53:35] Voice 9: was getting that fixed okay it's

[3:53:36] Voice 9: already updated okay great yeah

[3:53:38] Voice 11: it was that you got

[3:53:40] Voice 11: saving a lot i did

[3:53:41] Voice 4: and i wrote to

[3:53:42] Voice 11: rob and ask

[3:53:43] Voice 4: as to that i just wanted to confirm that was

[3:53:45] Voice 4: updated it's on the 24th it's

[3:53:47] Voice 10: on the 24th um okay um okay uh we have an in-camera meeting

[3:53:54] Voice 10: we have to go to there's a very brief town hall does anybody wish to speak to us in the town hall

[3:53:58] Voice 10: before we go into

[3:53:59] Voice 11: our intercom ourselves yes uh three quick items uh on the delegation for

[3:54:07] Voice 11: development permits rather than just have a chance make sure that when failed applicants are notified

[3:54:18] that they are specifically advised in the rejection letter that

[3:54:25] Voice 11: they can of course appeal

[3:54:26] Voice 11: deal to DLTC.

[3:54:28] Voice 12: Make sure it's part of the standard operating procedure. Okay. Second one, why is

[3:54:34] Voice 12: ILO?

[3:54:36] Voice 11: Focus on why. It is unique. All of the other bulk access areas that you've mentioned,

[3:54:46] Gossip, Parker, and Fillmore Point,

[3:54:51] Voice 11: they have large lots that can accommodate

[3:54:55] Voice 11: date of violence don't waste your time there do wise first and maybe wise can then be applied

[3:55:04] Voice 11: but focus on wise and thirdly can i get confirmation from you that you have decided

[3:55:11] Voice 11: not to respond to the rogers letter i don't have any motion

[3:55:18] Voice 10: to do it

[3:55:18] Voice 10: what

[3:55:19] Voice 4: was it like the ones i already responded to no

[3:55:21] Voice 10: they wrote i wrote them and they took a

[3:55:25] Voice 10: long time and then they eventually wrote them back probably in april i'm going to say april

[3:55:31] Voice 10: and they said basically well we've gone ahead and done it um if you have some specific questions you

[3:55:38] Voice 10: want us

[3:55:38] Voice 11: to answer and mr ryback has suggested some questions uh that um uh they'd be willing

[3:55:45] Voice 5: me to accept that

[3:55:47] Voice 11: that's that's the correspondence correct yes and i had since we got that

[3:55:55] Voice 11: correspondence i've had no indication from local trustees or a motion on the table for me to

[3:56:00] Voice 11: respond any further and i only write when i'm told to write by the local trust well it it came up as

[3:56:07] Voice 11: a matter of course as the correspondence being being honest again i know that's a fair question

[3:56:14] Voice 11: i'm just saying i don't write independent of my fellow trustees telling me so great um

[3:56:20] Voice 3: mr ryback actually drafted a response potentially yeah

[3:56:29] Voice 3: yeah

[3:56:30] Voice 5: i think

[3:56:38] Voice 3: maybe what we could do is uh review this and and decide at the next meeting

[3:56:44] Voice 3: bring

[3:56:45] Voice 11: it up put it on the agenda okay um if

[3:56:48] Voice 4: you find that email i'm sorry stephen i'm sure i have

[3:56:50] Voice 4: but could you forward with me again the yeah i'm just

[3:56:53] Voice 3: trying to when when did you write it steven

[3:56:57] Voice 3: uh

[3:56:57] Voice 11: sometime june i

[3:57:01] Voice 10: don't think this is the one that's on our agenda today is it yes okay

[3:57:05] Voice 6: yeah

[3:57:10] Voice 11: i guess the answer to the question is the question would be is um they're pondering it so they haven't

[3:57:18] Voice 11: it's decided one way or another so let maybe someone will decide that they want to make a motion

[3:57:24] Voice 11: i

[3:57:24] Voice 4: mean i guess i just assumed it was crucial because they just do whatever they want

[3:57:28] Voice 4: but because

[3:57:31] Voice 11: basically what you are doing is acknowledging that yes they did what they did but

[3:57:39] Voice 11: as per the galliano lieutenant citing token call you are seeking information as to what they

[3:57:48] Voice 11: they actually did. What type

[3:57:50] Voice 11: of tenants did they resolve? Where exactly are they? What

[3:57:55] Voice 11: benefits come to Galliano, etc. That's basic information that we would have anticipated

[3:58:04] coming from a community-minded proponent.

[3:58:08] Voice 11: I mean, I think you've caught the attention of the two trustees, and perhaps we'll see

[3:58:14] Voice 11: something come out of that.

[3:58:16] Voice 11: anything further in the town hall yeah go ahead just wanted to bring out one one point that we

[3:58:21] Voice 11: didn't touch on in in the in the discussion about wise island uh but it wasn't the course one that's

[3:58:26] Voice 11: in our in our letter a couple weeks ago just to highlight this as you go into the camera

[3:58:31] Voice 11: discussion and consider the enforcement piece of this is that we discussed this at length in

[3:58:36] Voice 11: the uh in our annual general meeting whether you know there are 48 lots all the owners are there

[3:58:41] Voice 11: not all were represented the motions that were taken here were uh were unanimous uh and that

[3:58:47] Voice 11: was really an important part of that communication and so we know that we have one or two owners who

[3:58:52] Voice 11: just don't like solar panels for example but the motions were taken uh that were taken there were

[3:58:57] Voice 11: unanimous in the result the sense was sought uh none was given even from some of the owners

[3:59:03] Voice 11: who we know uh are not big fans of solar panels so i just wanted to

[3:59:06] Voice 11: make that uh put that on the radar as he's going through the uh anything

[3:59:11] Voice 10: else are we close thanks

[3:59:15] Voice 10: then uh we have if you go to the uh motion to close the meeting thank you very much

[3:59:38] do

[3:59:39] Voice 5: you have them interesting yeah it's

[3:59:41] Voice 11: right here uh here

[3:59:47] so go ahead that um the meeting be close to the public importance with

[3:59:57] Voice 3: the community charter part

[4:00:00] Voice 3: section 9 subsection 1 subsection a subsection b for the purpose of considering by law enforcement

[4:00:06] Voice 3: and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting okay

[4:00:09] Voice 10: second and all favor and passes

[4:00:12] Voice 10: so thank you everybody for watching online i'm going to end the recording robin uh we don't need

[4:00:18] Voice 10: the broadcast we don't we need we need robin to

[4:00:21] Voice 10: stay because she needs to uh

[4:00:26] Voice 2: just have to shut down the live streaming right

[4:00:29] Voice 11: do i get to do that yeah

[4:00:34] Voice 2: you should i can do that

[4:00:35] Voice 2: i think i can do it

[4:00:36] Voice 11: yeah because i didn't

[4:00:37] Voice 11: start it okay

[4:00:39] Voice 2: yeah i'll stop the recording and the live