Hornby Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 9, 2022

[0:00:01] Trustee Fast: So welcome everybody once again. I'm not going to go through the introduction,

[0:00:05] Voice 10: but

[0:00:06] Trustee Fast: I just wanted to let you know that the meeting is being recorded and that I will be forwarding this off once I get back to Bowen Island and it'll be posted in the website in a few days.

[0:00:17] Trustee Fast: So if you know people who were interested or if you want to look at anything again or people that couldn't be here, there will be this video record.

[0:00:25] Trustee Fast: I'm just going to make sure that it's recording. Yes.

[0:00:29] Trustee Fast: okay then so this is an official forum for your elected representatives to make

[0:00:37] Trustee Fast: decisions with the professional input of staff and input from the public this is

[0:00:44] Trustee Fast: participatory democracy and we all can respect each other and have good informed

[0:00:54] Trustee Fast: discussion I hope so that we can come to good decisions a healthy dialogue is

[0:00:59] Trustee Fast: important it's also a place of employment so that's part of the reason

[0:01:03] Trustee Fast: I want to keep the environment safe and respectful there's one chair over there

[0:01:08] Trustee Fast: and what you don't see is who's in there nature so because the islands trust

[0:01:13] Trustee Fast: mandate is preserve and protect I'm hoping that we can all keep that in mind

[0:01:18] Trustee Fast: as we're talking about these different topics which so often are about people

[0:01:22] Trustee Fast: and our uses of the environment, but this is also present in the room.

[0:01:29] Trustee Fast: And I put a few copies of the Heron, which is the Islands Trust Conservancy arm,

[0:01:35] Trustee Fast: preserves and protects spaces, over there with a few buttons that say

[0:01:38] Trustee Fast: you need to be more careful with an island.

[0:01:41] Trustee Fast: So help yourself to those if you'd like.

[0:01:44] Trustee Fast: And here's the meeting decorum piece, which I'm sure I don't have to read out,

[0:01:48] Trustee Fast: But if you can please assist us in running a healthy discussion and a healthy, positive, constructive meeting, that would be much appreciated.

[0:02:02] Trustee Fast: Okay, just before we start, I wanted to say welcome to any members of the APC who are here.

[0:02:13] Trustee Fast: And I wanted to say thank you to all of you who've come, because this is the way good decisions are made.

[0:02:20] Trustee Fast: please come on in and join us and we're just about to get going anything I've

[0:02:24] Trustee Fast: missed we have

[0:02:29] Voice 22: our candidate third candidate in the room oh

[0:02:32] Trustee Fast: this is not a

[0:02:33] Trustee Fast: place for electioneering so

[0:02:34] Voice 22: that's all Jeff okay

[0:02:41] Trustee Fast: okay um tis the season right

[0:02:48] Trustee Fast: yeah elections are in the room aren't they okay um let's go on then I'm going

[0:02:54] Trustee Fast: to officially call the meeting to order just making sure I'm not skipping

[0:02:59] Trustee Fast: anything and I want to go on to the open my actual agenda here

[0:03:07] Voice 10: one

[0:03:09] Trustee Fast: moment there

[0:03:12] Trustee Fast: we go I have the big agenda on my device as do these gentlemen okay so we're

[0:03:20] Trustee Fast: going to call the meeting to order now and things on the agenda may move around

[0:03:25] Trustee Fast: a little bit as we go but I'd like to call for approval of the agenda I

[0:03:29] Trustee Fast: understand there's an addendum right there was something that was added later

[0:03:34] Trustee Fast: which is a letter I think it was added at 6.2 another letter regarding the

[0:03:42] Trustee Fast: delegation Jeff Samlock at 6.2 and it

[0:03:45] Voice 1: was actually a revision for Aileen

[0:03:48] Voice 1: Okay,

[0:03:52] Trustee Fast: alright, thank you. Letter A. How do I say your name?

[0:03:56] Trustee Fast: My last

[0:03:56] Voice 1: name is Amal.

[0:03:58] Trustee Fast: Okay, but it was a letter from Fearman, right?

[0:04:00] Trustee Fast: Aileen.

[0:04:01] Trustee Fast: Aileen, okay, thank you.

[0:04:07] Trustee Fast: Okay, very good.

[0:04:09] Trustee Fast: And then, here we go.

[0:04:16] Trustee Fast: First off, I just want to rise and report and say that we did hold an in-camera meeting.

[0:04:22] Trustee Fast: This is a meeting that the public is not invited to under the laws of British Columbia, which is what we follow, the Community Charter and the Local Government Act.

[0:04:30] Trustee Fast: Your local trust committee held an in-camera meeting on June the 10th, and that was a part where we received a presentation from the Ministry of Indigenous Relations and Reconciliation staff.

[0:04:42] Trustee Fast: So we've got a bit of a briefing.

[0:04:44] Trustee Fast: And so I just want complete transparency.

[0:04:47] Trustee Fast: We let you know what happens.

[0:04:49] Trustee Fast: and then we're gonna move on to oh can I assume that the agenda is approved I

[0:04:56] Trustee Fast: think I saw some nodding okay my consent then the agenda is approved I've done

[0:05:00] Trustee Fast: the rise and report and we're into trustee reports so this time who went

[0:05:05] Trustee Fast: first last time does anybody remember no

[0:05:07] Voice 28: I

[0:05:08] Trustee Fast: would let you go first out go was

[0:05:12] Trustee Fast: is first

[0:05:12] Trustee Fast: thank

[0:05:16] Voice 10: you

[0:05:21] Voice 22: thanks everybody for coming out I have to say there's

[0:05:27] Voice 22: nothing like a good report coming from somebody in the community to get

[0:05:30] Voice 22: everybody else I think good job it's all out today so thank them and thank you

[0:05:37] Voice 22: all for coming out Jeff for putting his name forward he knows it's gonna be an

[0:05:41] Voice 22: easy thing to do but it's good he's done that so i just want to say um i i worked with with karen

[0:05:48] Voice 22: uh on the whole ferry issue and we met with over the last while we met with our minister

[0:05:55] Voice 22: josie osborne who's our mla for here and we met with rob fleming the minister of

[0:06:01] Voice 22: of uh transportation down in victoria that was a while ago and karen's been particularly good

[0:06:08] Voice 22: at hammering the point i've been on the tv a few times about the need to have a better ferry

[0:06:13] Voice 22: uh to replace the colloquy because it's 50 years old it's uh let's it's wearing out let's face it

[0:06:20] Voice 22: we need we need a bigger ferry here we need a bigger one on denman and recently they they came

[0:06:25] Voice 22: out and announced that by next summer there will be the quinnets will move over here so we'll have

[0:06:30] Voice 22: 50 cars here and on the other side they're gonna they got the barge going back and forth about what

[0:06:37] Voice 22: they're going to do is put the colloquy around there so there'll be two fairies on that side

[0:06:51] Voice 22: so now that that it's interesting it's it kind of got mixed reviews some people say great it's going

[0:06:57] Voice 22: to lessen the very problem and other people are saying yeah but there's always a yeah but nice

[0:07:04] Voice 22: things yeah yeah but it's going to bring we're going to have way more people here is it really

[0:07:08] Voice 22: going to alleviate the fairies well anyway it's probably a short-term solution what we really need

[0:07:13] Voice 22: is is what uh jeff um jeff i don't know how i lost your name the bus driver

[0:07:24] Voice 22: we need a bus that starts here drives all the way into courtney doesn't just like the old

[0:07:28] Voice 22: ferry used to do from victoria get on the bus here you go into courtney all the way you go

[0:07:32] Voice 22: drive on the ferry we need to get people on and on i know

[0:07:35] Voice 22: i know you always do that to me

[0:07:36] Voice 22: it's a hornby meeting

[0:07:43] Voice 22: but anyway if you don't so anyway karen thanks thanks for your good work there

[0:07:49] Voice 22: um i met with the apc folks and uh went over their report again with with wendy and others

[0:07:56] Voice 22: i also met with with the histra folks just last week i was kind of sorry we didn't get to do it

[0:08:01] Voice 22: sooner but I learned a lot meeting with them so I did that I think what we need is she's going to

[0:08:08] Voice 22: cut me off here pretty soon we need more community meetings like that and if I am re-elected I want

[0:08:13] Voice 22: to guarantee you that's what we'll be doing in the future thank you thank

[0:08:17] Trustee Fast: you I all I was doing

[0:08:19] Trustee Fast: is putting your sign up here so they could see on the camera who's speaking okay uh thank you please

[0:08:23] Trustee Fast: go ahead trustee Allen all

[0:08:25] Voice 15: right um oh

[0:08:26] Trustee Fast: hang on we're gonna let more people come on in if you'd

[0:08:29] Trustee Fast: like to come and join us if you grab a chair out of the cupboard there is no

[0:08:33] Voice 3: more chairs

[0:08:33] Voice 15: we've got

[0:08:44] Trustee Fast: standards already and maybe people can shift around and

[0:08:49] Trustee Fast: share as we go

[0:08:50] Voice 9: this

[0:08:54] Trustee Fast: is great thank you everybody for making the meeting

[0:08:59] Trustee Fast: accessible. Very good. Okay, a few more people. We're out of chairs, please come in.

[0:09:21] Trustee Fast: You guys are happy? Okay. They don't want those chairs. Oh, I think they do. Here we go.

[0:09:31] Voice 3: there's another chair

[0:09:32] Voice 3: I think she's happy

[0:09:34] Trustee Fast: where she is

[0:09:36] Voice 3: totally fine

[0:09:38] Trustee Fast: you're good

[0:09:41] Trustee Fast: thanks everybody

[0:09:42] Trustee Fast: for making the meeting work for everybody

[0:09:44] Trustee Fast: okay and yes

[0:09:46] Trustee Fast: there's still room on the floor as well

[0:09:48] Trustee Fast: of course okay

[0:09:49] Trustee Fast: Tracy Allen when you're ready there

[0:09:52] Trustee Fast: please go ahead

[0:09:54] Voice 15: okay it might be redundant for those who read the first edition

[0:09:56] Voice 15: but probably redundant

[0:09:58] Voice 15: done it. So July 25, we had our annual protocol meeting with the

[0:10:04] Voice 15: regional district in Yemen Island. And

[0:10:06] Voice 15: we had a lively

[0:10:08] Voice 15: conversation about the noise bylaws. And we might be looking

[0:10:13] Voice 15: at them, revisiting them, because there's many new noises

[0:10:17] Voice 15: out there that didn't exist like drones and dare I say

[0:10:20] Voice 15: helicopters and various other things. Then also the shingles

[0:10:28] Voice 15: Spitt, so this is all the regional district building at this point. The Schegels Spitt launch, unfortunately, they applied for two provincial grants and did not

[0:10:37] Voice 15: achieve those grants. So they're looking at partnering with the BC Ferries on the Schegels Spitt launch. Are you hearing me? Am I talking too quickly?

[0:10:45] Voice 15: I'm not understanding what you're saying.

[0:10:47] Voice 15: Oh, the Schegels Spitt.

[0:10:49] Voice 25: the launch

[0:10:50] Voice 15: I'm sorry sorry the boat launch so they had applied for two provincial grants and

[0:10:57] Voice 15: they did not get them so they're looking at partnering with BC Ferries on this it's been

[0:11:03] Voice 15: ongoing I'm sure you can speak to that because your partner has been on the committee as well

[0:11:12] Voice 15: I'm on the Standing Committee governance and if you've been paying attention that that was

[0:11:17] Voice 15: something that was brought a year ago by a local trustee, I'm sorry, trustees of the

[0:11:23] Voice 15: Trust Council, basically looking into how we're running Islands Trust, how we're

[0:11:28] Voice 15: electing our officials and basically government. So basically we had the

[0:11:34] Voice 15: meeting just before our Trust Council meeting which is coming up at the end of

[0:11:37] Voice 15: September and just what? I'm making the camera go

[0:11:41] Trustee Fast: over to you.

[0:11:42] Voice 15: It's not. Sorry.

[0:11:43] Voice 15: Sorry.

[0:11:44] Trustee Fast: Wake up, camera.

[0:11:46] Voice 5: That's all right.

[0:11:47] Trustee Fast: Okay. Continue.

[0:11:48] Voice 5: I'll just be...

[0:11:52] Voice 15: Anyways, sorry.

[0:11:54] Voice 15: So the governance thing, yeah,

[0:11:56] Voice 15: so we just got to propose some recommendations

[0:11:58] Voice 15: to Trust Council members,

[0:12:00] Voice 15: and hopefully that'll be a really good thing.

[0:12:04] Voice 15: It's very exciting, and I do want to be a part of that

[0:12:06] Voice 15: if I get re-elected.

[0:12:07] Voice 15: He said re-elected, so I'm going to stay re-elected once.

[0:12:10] Voice 15: And then also,

[0:12:11] Voice 15: I have a cold,

[0:12:15] Voice 15: by the way and I had it tested it's not the other thing so I'm a bit of a cloudy

[0:12:19] Voice 15: version I might have to run into the bathroom every now and then to compose

[0:12:23] Voice 15: myself yes and then I want to bring up I don't know there's concerns regarding

[0:12:32] Voice 15: maybe I'll bring it up later there might be a date confirmation on

[0:12:37] Voice 15: conflict coming up but I'll talk about that when we get there okay so other than that

[0:12:40] Voice 15: looking forward to a robust conversation and a lively meeting I think this is the

[0:12:45] Voice 15: the most I've seen is it no

[0:12:47] Trustee Fast: I think we have bigger ones as

[0:12:49] Voice 15: far as the same

[0:12:49] Voice 15: topic yes thank

[0:12:50] Voice 10: you

[0:12:53] Trustee Fast: and just from the chairs point of view I'll just say

[0:12:57] Trustee Fast: quickly here that I've been having meetings all the way along as you can

[0:13:03] Trustee Fast: imagine I just want to report we have that June Trust Council meeting and

[0:13:07] Trustee Fast: we've got the September one coming up the 20th of the 22nd and that will be

[0:13:11] Trustee Fast: live streamed and a zoom meeting and you can participate in that as well i've been moved by

[0:13:17] Trustee Fast: zoom i'm not sure exactly but the notice will be out momentarily if it isn't out already i think

[0:13:23] Trustee Fast: the agenda goes out today and then um uh executive committee was last week was earlier this week

[0:13:30] Trustee Fast: um i was in the victoria office for that uh where i met with the other vice chairs and the chair

[0:13:36] Trustee Fast: chair and senior staff setting the agenda for Trust Council. A few other things, Denman

[0:13:44] Trustee Fast: is passing its farm regulations, so we've had some meetings about that, and about the

[0:13:50] Trustee Fast: ALR over there, and Bowen Island meetings going on as well. And I was on Gambier last

[0:14:01] Trustee Fast: week with the water taxi run. Anyway, beautiful time of year and I'm really glad everybody

[0:14:05] Trustee Fast: could join us here even though the weather is so nice okay so going on then

[0:14:11] Trustee Fast: I'm also your Islands Trust Conservancy liaison because I'm the vice chair of

[0:14:16] Trustee Fast: the Islands Trust Conservancy and that's the the group that sets up the nature

[0:14:21] Trustee Fast: reserves and the conservation covenants and runs the natural areas tax exemption

[0:14:27] Trustee Fast: program if you know anybody who's got areas of nature that they want to

[0:14:31] Trustee Fast: protect, and they might need some tax help doing it. The Islands Trust

[0:14:36] Trustee Fast: Conservancy can help, so you can pick up one of these over there, or may be able

[0:14:40] Trustee Fast: to help. And there's a couple of reports in the agenda about the Islands Trust

[0:14:45] Trustee Fast: Conservancy, so I'm not going to take much more time here, except to say we did

[0:14:49] Trustee Fast: have a meeting August 25th. Okay, thank you Grant for your support.

[0:14:55] Trustee Fast: here. Okay, and now we're into the Electoral Area Director's report. He's not here today.

[0:15:04] Trustee Fast: Daniel Arbour was not able to join us, so now we're going to come into the Town Hall portion.

[0:15:09] Trustee Fast: And here I just want to read you what it says in our guidelines. Oops, she says as she

[0:15:17] Trustee Fast: finds her way around. Gambier Hornby, here we go. Okay, Town Hall. This is an opportunity for

[0:15:24] Trustee Fast: public comments typically offered every ltc meeting chance for you to inform trustees about

[0:15:29] Trustee Fast: topics relevant to the local trust area uh don't need to have given advance notice or anything like

[0:15:35] Trustee Fast: that um the time will vary depending on the number of people we've got 10 minutes uh down for this

[0:15:41] Trustee Fast: today um yeah and uh so i'm gonna make it we'll make every effort to hear everybody who wishes

[0:15:51] Trustee Fast: to speak but we reserve the right to limit them so that we can cover the

[0:15:56] Trustee Fast: other material that's also important to the island

[0:15:59] Trustee Fast: that's on our agenda today so

[0:16:02] Trustee Fast: organizations and individuals who've applied to be delegations can if you can

[0:16:06] Trustee Fast: hold on to wait to the next little section that would be great and if you

[0:16:12] Trustee Fast: can help us keep the meeting constructive and that would be terrific

[0:16:16] Trustee Fast: so ten minutes okay folks let's

[0:16:21] Voice 15: see how can I

[0:16:23] Trustee Fast: get an indication of how many

[0:16:24] Trustee Fast: people would like to speak okay so that's five or six so two minutes each

[0:16:33] Trustee Fast: okay let's go ahead and we'll see we'll see where we get to from there so I'm

[0:16:38] Trustee Fast: going to whoops hang on get to the right plot place here all right then can I

[0:16:50] Trustee Fast: start at the back over here there was somebody with their hand up yeah against the wall that's

[0:16:54] Trustee Fast: please go ahead i

[0:16:55] Voice 7: just want to say thank you to the island's counseling to the abc for starting

[0:16:59] Voice 7: a process around recommendations for housing and for short-term rentals i'm i'm really glad that

[0:17:04] Voice 7: there's going to be community consultation and conversation about it and i really believe that

[0:17:10] Voice 7: we can figure it out it doesn't have to be adversarial we're all we all love this

[0:17:15] Voice 7: community and we want the best for everybody and i just i really want us to hold that

[0:17:20] Voice 7: when we have these conversations.

[0:17:22] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, and I forgot to mention,

[0:17:24] Trustee Fast: if you could say your name

[0:17:25] Trustee Fast: and your connection to the island.

[0:17:27] Voice 7: My name's April, I'm working with housing.

[0:17:30] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[0:17:32] Trustee Fast: Okay, very good, and can we go this way?

[0:17:35] Trustee Fast: Who was next back there?

[0:17:36] Trustee Fast: Yep, go ahead.

[0:17:38] Voice 4: My name's Jen Kennedy,

[0:17:39] Voice 4: and I'm a 42-year resident of Hornby.

[0:17:43] Voice 4: I've worked in the hospitality tourist sector

[0:17:46] Voice 4: all the time that I've lived here

[0:17:48] Voice 4: until retiring about six years ago um i'm very supportive of the the place that tourism holds

[0:17:58] Voice 4: in our community it's a very important economic driver here um i also really appreciated uh

[0:18:06] Voice 4: chairperson dust that you introduced the idea at this time that nature sits in this room too

[0:18:13] Voice 4: And I think that that's the place that I would like to see us honor even more.

[0:18:20] Voice 4: I think we are in a time of accelerating climate change.

[0:18:25] Voice 4: We need to come together.

[0:18:26] Voice 4: We need to work together.

[0:18:28] Voice 4: And so I'm encouraging, I'm very appreciative of the APC process.

[0:18:33] Voice 4: I'm a little concerned as we are sort of in a limbo time before the public meeting is starting,

[0:18:40] Voice 4: and I'm hearing in the community misinformation, I'm hearing division, I'm hearing trauma,

[0:18:46] Voice 4: and I'm hoping that we can get on to the public consultation process.

[0:18:52] Voice 4: I too feel that we can do that well together, and I feel that, for instance, a group like

[0:19:02] Voice 4: Histra represents many of the commercial business interests in short-term vacation rentals,

[0:19:07] Voice 4: that's a good thing but there are other interests as well and i'm just really looking forward to

[0:19:13] Voice 4: when we can come together and discuss more fully um i think that's the most of what i have to say

[0:19:21] Voice 4: i also want to make a plea that we could return to zoom because i find personally i want to be

[0:19:29] Voice 4: engaged i think it's great to see people come out to meetings but when after this section when we

[0:19:35] Voice 4: What we are doing here is sitting and watching.

[0:19:39] Voice 4: I'd rather be doing that from my kitchen or my garden.

[0:19:42] Voice 4: And I want to be engaged.

[0:19:45] Voice 4: I want to be involved.

[0:19:46] Voice 4: But giving up a whole afternoon to sit and watch when we have other options.

[0:19:52] Voice 4: I'm sure once City West is here, maybe that will be easier for you.

[0:19:55] Voice 4: But we did it during Zoom.

[0:19:56] Voice 4: I would love to see us return.

[0:19:59] Voice 4: And that's everything I have to say.

[0:20:01] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[0:20:01] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:20:02] Trustee Fast: and and I just want to say thank you to the speaker so far for keeping it

[0:20:06] Trustee Fast: focused on the issues rather than individuals that helps us all look at

[0:20:10] Trustee Fast: the bigger picture okay thank you and who's next across the back go ahead yeah

[0:20:18] Voice 13: I want to echo the same thing it would be more accessible inclusive can you say

[0:20:25] Trustee Fast: your name

[0:20:25] Voice 13: oh yeah Greg Sayre my connection to the island is my family

[0:20:30] Voice 13: has half acre on anderson drive um i'm just gonna half read half um um so i want to acknowledge the

[0:20:38] Voice 13: the hard work of the apc members and and the trustees i i definitely connect with your intense

[0:20:45] Voice 13: uh about caring for the community and the endless island that we all love so much

[0:20:50] Voice 13: um i started camping in tribune bay when i was nine and in 1990 my dad had the foresight and

[0:20:58] Voice 13: and the fortune to purchase half an acre on Anderson Drive.

[0:21:03] Voice 13: Earlier this year, he transferred title to myself.

[0:21:06] Voice 13: That was in February, a month before APC's recommendations

[0:21:10] Voice 13: came out, and I feel very fortunate to be in that position.

[0:21:18] Voice 13: The dream of myself and my wife and my three children,

[0:21:22] Voice 13: they're 13, 12, and 10, is that we want to build

[0:21:25] Voice 13: built a modest house on a lot that we can enjoy more comfortably and more year-round

[0:21:31] Voice 13: than our current cabin allows. So we've been spending the past year learning the bylaws,

[0:21:38] Voice 13: planning and spending money. I also want to say that we're not silver spooned. I come

[0:21:45] Voice 13: from a family of immigrants, except for my children. My wife's from Holland, I'm from

[0:21:51] Voice 13: from South Africa and came here.

[0:21:53] Voice 13: So yeah, I'm not a global speculator.

[0:21:57] Voice 13: I say this because we've been,

[0:22:00] Voice 13: the current SDR bylaws just make our dream

[0:22:04] Voice 13: to build possible, financially feasible.

[0:22:08] Voice 13: Any further restrictions is gonna place risk on my family.

[0:22:13] Voice 13: And I'm raising three kids.

[0:22:15] Voice 13: I'm a part-time resident, we live in Vancouver.

[0:22:17] Voice 13: It's an expensive time and place to raise a family.

[0:22:23] Voice 13: So earlier I stated I believe in the APC's intents and good intentions, but I do not

[0:22:33] Voice 13: agree with the recommendations.

[0:22:36] Voice 13: I don't think it'll solve the housing problem, instead I think it'll punish those of us that

[0:22:43] Voice 13: that do follow the rules, that have been studied by laws.

[0:22:47] Voice 13: And for those who do not follow the rules,

[0:22:50] Voice 13: I think I'll just post them on the ground.

[0:22:54] Trustee Fast: That's two minutes.

[0:22:55] Voice 13: Okay, I just urge you to pause and stop

[0:22:58] Voice 13: and think and consult.

[0:23:02] Voice 13: That's it, thank you.

[0:23:03] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[0:23:04] Trustee Fast: And I just wanna make the point that the APC stands

[0:23:08] Trustee Fast: for Advisory Planning Commission.

[0:23:10] Trustee Fast: They're volunteers who the Local Trust Committee

[0:23:13] Trustee Fast: been asked to do a review of a number of topics, including riparian rights and housing generally,

[0:23:22] Trustee Fast: and so thank you for acknowledging that they're making a contribution, and that the process

[0:23:30] Trustee Fast: is just beginning. Okay, who's next? Go ahead.

[0:23:35] Voice 25: I just want to thank…

[0:23:37] Trustee Fast: Can you say your name?

[0:23:37] Voice 25: Michelle Easterly. I've been here 38 to 9 years and I'm just also echoing the discussion about the Zoom people.

[0:23:46] Voice 25: So I think if we're looking at climate shift, that's green.

[0:23:50] Voice 25: One of the greenest things we can do is not drive our cars and heat up buildings and all that.

[0:23:54] Voice 25: So I want to echo that. Also, you know, just really quickly, I've been here 38 years.

[0:24:02] Voice 25: I couldn't have stayed here and been part of this community without running a vacation rental just simple as that and I

[0:24:10] Voice 25: You know go with the bylaws. I entertain

[0:24:14] Voice 25: People's abilities to you know do their garbage correctly recycling

[0:24:19] Voice 25: You know bring their own sheets deal with the water. So I

[0:24:23] Voice 25: would agree with what

[0:24:26] Voice 25: great grass said about you know pausing and kind of

[0:24:30] Voice 25: looking at all of this and that's not going to house it's not going to cure the housing problem

[0:24:35] Voice 25: and i think most of us really care about the island and we're doing a really good job at what

[0:24:39] Voice 25: we do thank you thank

[0:24:42] Trustee Fast: you i'll just say uh this issue is common to all the islands um and i think

[0:24:48] Trustee Fast: most places people live in in the world and uh bed and breakfast are legal though is that correct

[0:24:57] Trustee Fast: as a home occupation heather yeah okay i'm

[0:25:01] Voice 25: just fighting for the rest of my phones too

[0:25:03] Voice 25: okay even though i'm not okay

[0:25:05] Trustee Fast: um all right thank you and uh uh next was a gentleman

[0:25:11] Trustee Fast: okay who would like to speak next okay go ahead your name

[0:25:16] Voice 16: karen ross i'm a little off topic

[0:25:19] Voice 16: apparently i'm here representing the community bus and problems with traffic flow and parking on

[0:25:26] Voice 16: I request the Islands Trust as the island planning agency to work with the

[0:25:34] Voice 16: Ministry of Transportation and the ratepayers group to try to resolve some

[0:25:38] Voice 16: of the limitations regarding safety on island roads. In particular the situation

[0:25:44] Voice 16: at Ports Cove is dangerous. For the busiest three weeks of the summer

[0:25:49] Voice 16: neither the fire truck nor the bus can safely navigate the maze of vehicles and

[0:25:53] Voice 16: pedestrians milling on the roads. During this time frame and for the last three

[0:25:58] Voice 16: runs of the day the bus was unable to navigate the Cove parking and had to

[0:26:02] Voice 16: temporarily move its Ford's Cove stops to Bond Road. The bus should be part of

[0:26:08] Voice 16: the solution to get people to leave their cars behind and use public transit.

[0:26:13] Voice 16: When the bus can't meet its scheduled obligations people quit trusting the

[0:26:17] Voice 16: schedule and ridership suffers. As part of the Islands Trust Preserve and

[0:26:22] Voice 16: protect mandate and in support of public transit we the bus steering committee and ask that the

[0:26:30] Voice 16: trust makes a priority this winter of coordinating solutions to the dangerous parking situation at

[0:26:37] Voice 16: ford's cove and other island traffic hot spots thank you thank you very much

[0:26:44] Voice 15: will you be able to forward that email that to us to karen yes and

[0:26:50] Trustee Fast: karen you can pass that over to

[0:26:52] Trustee Fast: Heather. And

[0:26:53] Voice 16: I do have one last little thing on a different topic. I would really urge the trust to expedite the Blue Creek Village applications and let's get that moving.

[0:27:04] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. And we've got a few more people. If you want to take a, I just want to invite people into the room. If you can sit on the

[0:27:15] Trustee Fast: floor or something we've run out of chairs people look content okay unless

[0:27:19] Trustee Fast: there's somebody who has a you know somebody wants to move in or if somebody

[0:27:25] Trustee Fast: needs a chair please come in people have been giving up chairs okay good all

[0:27:30] Trustee Fast: right thank you and then who's next I'm going across go ahead with the safety

[0:27:40] Voice 18: My name is Sheila MacDonald, I'm a retiring school president, and I'm just one of my

[0:27:47] Voice 18: best friends in the community.

[0:27:50] Voice 18: I'm one of the most important groups that I'm affiliated

[0:27:53] Voice 18: with as a volunteer.

[0:27:56] Voice 18: First of all, I want to be happy to call fair committee to the mayor on the 18th and

[0:28:05] Voice 18: invite everybody to volunteer, even an hour.

[0:28:07] Voice 18: We need everybody.

[0:28:08] Voice 18: This here is going to be extremely important in rebuilding our community fiber, our capacity, our togetherness, and for people on the committee.

[0:28:18] Voice 18: We are looking for more help in parking, registration, stewards, all the fun stuff.

[0:28:23] Voice 18: LTC meeting.

[0:28:24] Voice 18: Yes, I know.

[0:28:26] Voice 18: And surely what is more about nature than ourselves.

[0:28:30] Voice 18: On my other point, though, I have been a resident for 33 years, and I've seen some pretty significant changes.

[0:28:37] Voice 18: And I am in support of the APC recommendation on short-term rentals.

[0:28:45] Voice 18: Bend Breakfast were once a vibrant part of our economy and they have essentially, they were the original home sharing as I've heard it called.

[0:28:53] Voice 18: Essentially I think that's more what Michelle does in her rental sheet is following all the rules.

[0:28:59] Voice 18: But there are many that have escalated and I believe that on our island,

[0:29:03] Voice 18: The tourism is an important part of the economy, and I do honour Histra for forming that association

[0:29:09] Voice 18: and trying to raise the standard and support. But it is not the only factor that has driven

[0:29:17] my property values up. I don't really want

[0:29:20] Voice 18: them to go up, that's just my home. But it

[0:29:23] Voice 18: is one of both, and I have watched it. The idea that our children, my children both,

[0:29:33] Voice 18: work in essential services on the island, they can only work there because they can

[0:29:38] Voice 18: live in our house. We have dynasties, but for many of their friends who also want to

[0:29:43] Voice 18: for employees in the preschool, healthcare, all these other things, they're lost. I think

[0:29:47] Voice 18: it's time to pause. We have enough of one sector, and we need time to rebalance. I think

[0:29:54] Voice 18: that's what the APC recommendation would do. It would give us time to focus on the

[0:29:59] Voice 18: the others

[0:30:00] Voice 18: scope of solutions, which will solve it. And it would give us time to focus on the economy

[0:30:05] Voice 18: that is not driven by growth tourism, but is more balanced in terms of providing our

[0:30:13] Voice 18: needs. And I'm glad that there is a process going on on this.

[0:30:18] Voice 18: Thank you

[0:30:20] Trustee Fast: very much. That was a little bit over. Sorry, I got distracted. There's a yellow

[0:30:25] Trustee Fast: jacket or something wandering around. Go ahead.

[0:30:30] Voice 11: Hi, my name is Gina Ray. I've been on Hornby Island for 16 years. The property that I'm on has been in my family for more than 40 years.

[0:30:40] Voice 11: I support the APC recommendations, mostly, and I have to say I also read all 40 pages of comment, and lots of it does make sense.

[0:30:53] Voice 11: I'm happy Hystra hasn't dismissed everything the APC recommended. That's comforting and that's a good thing to see.

[0:31:02] Voice 11: I understand that people who run vacation rental are afraid of losing their shirts and I don't think that's the thrust of the APC.

[0:31:10] Voice 11: I don't believe that. I think this can be worked out. I want to point something out that's really interesting to me.

[0:31:16] Voice 11: more than 40 some odd years ago the first legal b&b uh was registered and it was registered on

[0:31:24] Voice 11: my street at the top of sandpiper and to do so that guy to have a tiny b&b put in a very large

[0:31:33] Voice 11: water collection system okay now fast forward about 40 years when we are in the midst of a

[0:31:40] Voice 11: climate crises. You

[0:31:42] Trustee Fast: can address your words up here.

[0:31:43] Voice 11: Sorry, I'm so used to addressing people.

[0:31:54] Voice 11: It's interesting that in the midst of a climate crisis, we now have a great whacking Airbnb at

[0:32:01] Voice 11: the bottom of our street that doesn't have any water collection system in place. So I feel like

[0:32:07] Voice 11: we need to be responsible I think we can have Airbnb we can do vacation rental we

[0:32:15] Voice 11: can welcome people onto the island but I think we need to gather water we need to

[0:32:21] Voice 11: do it responsibly and the fact that all kinds of Airbnb are happening and

[0:32:28] Voice 11: they're not collecting water is very concerning to me personally my well went

[0:32:33] Voice 11: black. I know of wells that have gone dry. So I don't want to see anyone lose their shirt,

[0:32:40] Voice 11: and I want this to be environmentally sound, sustainable. Thank you.

[0:32:47] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much. Okay. Whoops. Thank you. Okay. And I know there's lots of passion in the

[0:32:56] Trustee Fast: room and everything, and I really appreciate the way that you're, everybody's helping us

[0:33:00] Trustee Fast: have a few laughs too okay um anybody else want to have a few words oh here we go go ahead hi

[0:33:08] Voice 8: my name is helen grand um been on the island over 30 years and from the minute i got here

[0:33:14] Voice 8: the islands trust was hammering home sharing i never really understood why i've been involved

[0:33:20] Voice 8: in many bouts of this fight there's always um um excuses given but they've never panned out

[0:33:27] Voice 8: there's never been evidence or data so I just want to ask that the islands trust

[0:33:33] Voice 8: the trustees the community goes through due process we don't have evidence we

[0:33:38] Voice 8: don't have facts we barely know what this activity what the impacts are we

[0:33:43] Voice 8: have just anecdotes and that is not what you make really critical decisions that

[0:33:48] Voice 8: could destroy incomes for 92 families last I heard without careful forethought

[0:33:53] Voice 8: and I really agree that we shouldn't be doing this I don't understand why that

[0:33:57] Voice 8: That process has never happened.

[0:33:59] Voice 8: But I have some questions that I think need to be asked

[0:34:02] Voice 8: before any decision making is done.

[0:34:03] Voice 8: We need to study this.

[0:34:05] Voice 8: We don't have any information.

[0:34:06] Voice 8: And the whole recommendations were just based

[0:34:09] Voice 8: on anecdotal stuff and sort of a fear-mongering thing

[0:34:12] Voice 8: that the trust has been pushing for 30 years.

[0:34:14] Voice 8: Okay, so who is engaged in home sharing?

[0:34:17] Voice 8: We don't know.

[0:34:19] Voice 8: How important is it to our local economy?

[0:34:21] Voice 8: We don't know the answer to any of these.

[0:34:22] Voice 8: What are the overall impacts on the environment

[0:34:25] Voice 8: and our neighborhoods?

[0:34:25] Voice 8: How important to the security and stability of home ownership is this activity?

[0:34:30] Voice 8: How much homelessness and financial distress would ensue by removing a rare opportunity to survive economically unharmed, especially for those on fixed incomes?

[0:34:39] Voice 8: How is the income from home sharing being used to create jobs and support other important objectives such as food planning and year-round housing?

[0:34:47] Voice 8: How would that summer rental housing stock be used if home sharing were to be banned?

[0:34:52] Voice 8: I doubt those humble million-dollar homes would sit empty all summer.

[0:34:55] Voice 8: Could there be even more problems arising if other forms of earning income became necessary

[0:34:59] Voice 8: to desperate homeowners?

[0:35:00] Voice 8: The stated hope is that year-round, low-cost housing would immediately replace it.

[0:35:05] Voice 8: That simply has no merit or logic to it, as housing shortages persist on all of the islands

[0:35:09] Voice 8: where home sharing is non-existent.

[0:35:11] Voice 8: Where would displaced homeowners and renters who can't afford Hornby Living go if they

[0:35:15] Voice 8: lost a major source of income?

[0:35:16] Voice 8: It's even more expensive out there than here.

[0:35:19] Voice 8: How

[0:35:20] Voice 10: would potential first-time

[0:35:21] Voice 8: homeowners be impacted without the legal source of home

[0:35:26] Voice 8: sharing able to support their mortgages? What would the impact be on all the

[0:35:30] Voice 8: families that have been visiting and supporting Hornby for generations and have become

[0:35:33] Voice 8: part of the Hornby family? Are all the homes being rented seasonably or even

[0:35:37] Voice 8: suitable for year-round living? How does the trust propose to replace what may be

[0:35:42] Voice 8: critical income to many people? What other economic activities may be deemed

[0:35:46] Voice 8: less impactful? How many homeowners are actually being forced to move out of

[0:35:49] Voice 8: their homes for the summer so they can afford to keep income? How will massive

[0:35:53] Voice 8: Massive inflation pressures affect people who previously were able to survive on pension, savings, and mainly low-paying jobs.

[0:35:59] Voice 8: Home sharing has been a tried-and-true way to survive tough times.

[0:36:03] Voice 8: How would local businesses dependent on the season be impacted if they lost a significant chunk of their customer base?

[0:36:09] Voice 8: I look forward to hearing from you about your plan to address the above critical questions.

[0:36:15] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:36:17] Voice 15: Helen, can you email that to us?

[0:36:19] Voice 15: I certainly can.

[0:36:21] Voice 15: Okay.

[0:36:21] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:36:22] Trustee Fast: And anybody else like to speak before we get into delegations?

[0:36:27] Trustee Fast: I would.

[0:36:28] Trustee Fast: Oh, please go ahead.

[0:36:29] Trustee Fast: Say your name.

[0:36:31] Voice 17: Nancy Adams.

[0:36:33] Voice 17: I don't know.

[0:36:34] Voice 17: I've lived here way too long.

[0:36:38] Voice 17: But my main concern is the trees that are dying.

[0:36:42] Voice 17: Do people not see the trees are dying?

[0:36:46] Voice 17: This is my home.

[0:36:47] Voice 17: I don't see it as a vacation destination or a place to make money.

[0:36:54] Voice 17: off of our natural resources, which are dying.

[0:36:59] Voice 17: I support the APC.

[0:37:02] Voice 17: You know, we once amended our bylaws to allow rentals to help people out.

[0:37:10] Voice 17: I don't see why we can't re-amend them.

[0:37:13] Voice 17: Like, pretty soon we're not going to have anything left here for people to come and enjoy.

[0:37:21] Voice 17: Like, for many years when I lived here, I had no problem with my water.

[0:37:25] Voice 17: now I have nothing but problems with my water

[0:37:28] Voice 17: I watch my garden die

[0:37:30] Voice 17: while I smell cream rinse

[0:37:32] Voice 17: all around me

[0:37:33] Voice 17: of 20 people there there

[0:37:37] Voice 17: and there that have had showers

[0:37:41] Voice 17: like

[0:37:42] Voice 17: you know you

[0:37:43] Voice 17: I think it's the worst form of

[0:37:47] Voice 17: creativity to

[0:37:49] Voice 17: make money

[0:37:50] Voice 17: from a natural surrounding

[0:37:53] Voice 17: like I'd like to live in Tahiti

[0:37:55] Voice 17: you can address your

[0:37:57] Trustee Fast: comments up to

[0:38:00] Voice 17: I'd like to live in Tahiti, but you know, I can't live there.

[0:38:03] Voice 17: One, I couldn't afford to live there, two, I couldn't really find work there.

[0:38:08] Voice 17: I mean, we just can't live wherever we want if you don't have housing and you don't have employment.

[0:38:14] Voice 17: These are important things to think about before you move somewhere.

[0:38:19] Voice 10: I

[0:38:19] Voice 17: think if we want to save our environment, look around.

[0:38:23] Voice 17: The island is completely trashed, it's shriveled up.

[0:38:26] Voice 17: Do you care about the environment? What's good is it going to be to have all this money, if the place for your living dies?

[0:38:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Thank you very much. That was right on two minutes.

[0:38:42] Trustee Fast: Okay. Anybody else like to speak and share your views?

[0:38:48] Trustee Fast: Oh, go ahead. Sorry.

[0:38:49] Voice 20: My name is Paul Masson. I'm from Courtenay and part-time resident in Hornby and I've been coming to Hornby since I was a little kid from Calgary actually.

[0:39:08] Voice 20: We eventually were able to buy a place on Hornby and it's interesting for me to hear

[0:39:15] Voice 20: people say, you know, my family's had this place for so many years and I've been here

[0:39:20] Voice 20: for so many years and with the increasing housing prices, which I know it's all kind

[0:39:26] Voice 20: of addressed in this issue but it has to be housing quite expensive so for our

[0:39:34] Voice 20: generation and even the generation after us you know how are we able to make

[0:39:39] Voice 20: those sort of lives for our next generations where they can have maybe a

[0:39:45] Voice 20: full-time place or a place on harmony which they can still call home without

[0:39:50] Voice 20: home sharing it makes it a lot more feasible but you know it is interesting

[0:39:55] Voice 20: for me to hear about all the environmental aspects that's been brought up and I think

[0:40:02] Voice 20: that's very important as well so you know there might be able to be a happy balance there where

[0:40:08] Voice 20: we can create this longevity for our next generations to be able to enjoy this beautiful

[0:40:15] Voice 20: island and as well address all the environmental aspects around it as well and I think there's a

[0:40:25] Voice 20: a lot of good points um next to me that were brought up and that's all i've got to say

[0:40:32] Voice 20: okay

[0:40:32] Trustee Fast: thank you very much for your words whoops sorry anybody else before we go to delegations

[0:40:41] Trustee Fast: can

[0:40:42] Voice 17: i just say one more thing please i would really request that we try to have not this

[0:40:48] Voice 17: kind of town hall but opportunity for the whole community to come together to

[0:40:54] Voice 17: voice their opinions about how they feel. We can't make decisions unless we know

[0:40:59] Voice 17: how everyone feels because it affects all of us. We can have it outside. It's easy to do. I think we need it. We need to hear what everyone has to say. Thank you.

[0:41:11] Trustee Fast: thank you yeah this is just the beginning of these kinds of conversations and um and i'll um

[0:41:19] Trustee Fast: call one more time anybody else want to share their views okay

[0:41:25] Voice 15: let me just make a comment

[0:41:28] Voice 15: okay well i just want to say you can blame me for the not zoom meeting today because i thought it

[0:41:32] Voice 15: was our last meeting before the elections and i thought it'd be good to be in person

[0:41:35] Voice 15: but our next um consultation is going to be a zoom meeting just yeah

[0:41:42] Voice 16: i like them in person

[0:41:45] Voice 15: yeah yeah hybrid yeah or hybrid we're

[0:41:50] Trustee Fast: we're working on it as you see we're bringing the

[0:41:52] Trustee Fast: equipment around uh just so people know this is a work in progress excuse me this is a work

[0:42:01] Trustee Fast: in progress where we um trying to do hybrid meetings everywhere as far as we can push the

[0:42:07] Trustee Fast: technology so here we can with the bandwidth that we've got this is what

[0:42:12] Trustee Fast: we're able to do is either zoom for everybody which is hard because some

[0:42:17] Trustee Fast: people don't have the connectivity so to keep it accessible we've been mixing it

[0:42:22] Trustee Fast: up on the advice of trustees hopefully it'll get better and we're looking into

[0:42:27] Trustee Fast: the islands trust is looking into the budget possibilities because it all

[0:42:33] Trustee Fast: takes budget of Starlink and other kinds of things as well that might improve the

[0:42:39] Trustee Fast: connectivity but that depends on budget consultations with all 26 trustees and

[0:42:46] Trustee Fast: what they want to spend of taxpayers dollars right so all of these kinds of

[0:42:51] Trustee Fast: things go ahead Ben on

[0:42:53] Voice 22: that point there I think one of the absolute things

[0:42:59] Voice 22: missing in the whole islands trust in this municipal government level that we

[0:43:03] Voice 22: are is the fact that we don't have meetings the way that's right for that moment the way you

[0:43:09] Voice 22: describe

[0:43:10] Voice 1: that are

[0:43:11] Voice 22: not these formal type meetings where we can actually meet three or four times a

[0:43:15] Voice 22: year in the hall and go over the issues and have it so that people get a better understanding of

[0:43:20] Voice 22: how the trust

[0:43:21] Voice 22: works i don't think i didn't have much of a clue how the thing worked

[0:43:26] Voice 22: becoming that elected but you've got to find out

[0:43:28] Voice 22: you've got to find out yet i was a planner for

[0:43:31] Voice 22: years but it's the mechanism of how this thing works so that's what i think we really really

[0:43:37] Voice 22: need to do and i think a whole bunch of people keep bringing that up and we've tried and the

[0:43:43] Voice 22: trust is not the way to do it we've got to find another way to do it that's the point of you

[0:43:46] Voice 22: karen let's figure out how to do that internally on the island it's

[0:43:51] Voice 5: another part of it i was happy

[0:44:00] Voice 22: One

[0:44:00] Trustee Fast: of the things, too, is that the trust is finding itself.

[0:44:05] Trustee Fast: We're challenged finding and keeping communications staff.

[0:44:09] Voice 22: We don't need them.

[0:44:13] Voice 22: We're better at it

[0:44:15] Voice 22: than the trust.

[0:44:15] Trustee Fast: Right. Okay. Gotcha.

[0:44:17] Trustee Fast: It's just relating to the slides that you were looking for before.

[0:44:20] Trustee Fast: okay then with that I'm hoping that everybody's ready we're gonna move on to

[0:44:26] Trustee Fast: delegations and in the break if you do have further comments or questions we've

[0:44:31] Trustee Fast: got a half-hour lunch break as long as we get a chance to eat um we can talk

[0:44:36] Trustee Fast: then as well and especially to the planner if you've got questions specific

[0:44:43] Trustee Fast: but we need to let her have her chance to eat her lunch as well when we get to

[0:44:47] Trustee Fast: that point okay so on to delegations here we're at six point one we've got

[0:44:54] Trustee Fast: we're running a little bit behind schedule here but not bad we've got the

[0:44:59] Trustee Fast: Hornby Island short-term rental Association presentation so who's going

[0:45:04] Trustee Fast: to speak to that okay and if you could introduce yourself just for me because I

[0:45:07] Trustee Fast: think probably everybody else knows you

[0:45:09] Trustee Fast: Good

[0:45:10] Voice 10: morning,

[0:45:13] Voice 3: my name is Eulayla Mills, I'm Oakwood Choir's daughter.

[0:45:16] Voice 3: My family have been part of this community as visitors, part and full-time residents

[0:45:21] Voice 3: since 1967.

[0:45:23] Voice 3: And first I want to say thank you to the public servants, the agency, the local trust, the

[0:45:28] Voice 3: Islands Trust staff for all of the work they do to support and help the community.

[0:45:32] Voice 3: I'm here this morning to speak on behalf of the Hornby Island Short-Term Rental Association

[0:45:37] Voice 3: Board and our 100 members members about the March 29th 2022 APC

[0:45:43] Voice 3: recommendations removing short-term rentals as a legal property use from the

[0:45:47] Voice 3: Hornby Island community official community plan we all know Hornby is two

[0:45:52] Voice 3: ferries and a highway drive away from any urban center the rural character of

[0:45:57] Voice 3: our home is why visitors come here our short-term rental visitors are actually

[0:46:01] Voice 3: long-term members of our community almost 60% have been coming to Hornby

[0:46:06] Voice 3: for more than 10 years. 97% come because of the parks and beaches, and more than three-quarters

[0:46:12] Voice 3: because of our rural character. Short-term rental visitors value what we value. When writing our

[0:46:18] Voice 3: official community plan, our community insisted that large-scale vacation properties, such as

[0:46:23] Voice 3: motels and hotels, were not wanted. To support visitors and maintain a rural field, our solutions

[0:46:29] Voice 3: have been to enable a small number of family resorts and B&Bs, camping, and short-term rentals.

[0:46:36] Voice 3: With extensive consultation, we encoded short-term rentals in our official community plan in 2011.

[0:46:42] Voice 3: Six years later, validated again in an Islands Trust survey,

[0:46:46] Voice 3: that short-term rentals are supported by the majority of our community.

[0:46:50] Voice 3: There are many beliefs about short-term rentals, their visitors, owners, and impacts.

[0:46:55] Voice 3: We, Histra, have sought out information to determine what can be demonstrated with verifiable facts.

[0:47:01] Voice 3: acts. The first belief is that limiting, reducing, or eliminating short-term rentals will impact

[0:47:07] Voice 3: affordability and housing availability. We actually have a growing number of full-time

[0:47:12] Voice 3: residents on Hornby. In 2001, 46% of homes had full-time residents. By 2016, it was 51%,

[0:47:20] Voice 3: and in 2021, it grew to 58%. Dwellings with full-time residents grew by nearly a third

[0:47:26] Voice 3: between 2016 and 2021, while dwellings themselves grew only 1%. Based on real estate sales data,

[0:47:34] Voice 3: in the last five years, at least 88% of the nearly 90 properties sold on Hornby are either

[0:47:39] Voice 3: owner-occupied or have become long-term rentals. Since STRs became a legal use in 2001, the number

[0:47:46] Voice 3: of dwellings on Hornby with full-time residents has grown. It cannot be said that short-term

[0:47:52] Voice 3: rentals are pushing Islanders out of residences. In two separate surveys of short-term

[0:47:56] Voice 3: rental owners in 2019 and again this year, three in four would leave their properties vacant more

[0:48:02] Voice 3: of the year if they didn't have short-term rentals. Nearly all the rest would be forced to sell.

[0:48:09] Voice 3: Removing short-term rentals from the bylaws will not add long-term housing or improve housing

[0:48:14] Voice 3: affordability on Hornby. The next belief that drives the recommendations is that short-term

[0:48:20] Voice 3: rental owners are no longer long-term members of our community, that they are investors and not an

[0:48:25] Voice 3: an older woman, using short-term rental a few weeks of the year to keep and maintain

[0:48:30] Voice 3: her property. Today, 36% of short-term rental owners have been part of Hornby's community

[0:48:36] Voice 3: for 30 years or more. 90% have been part of our community for more than 5 years. 72% rent

[0:48:45] Voice 3: for 12 or fewer weeks over the 22 weeks of the season, and most live on their properties

[0:48:50] Voice 3: properties full or part-time throughout the year.

[0:48:53] Voice 3: 95% say they have short-term rentals so they can pay their property taxes, 82% to support

[0:48:59] Voice 3: local stores and businesses.

[0:49:01] Voice 3: The profile of the Hornady short-term rental owner is still a member of our community who

[0:49:07] Voice 3: uses their short-term rental to keep and maintain their home.

[0:49:10] Voice 3: The APC recommendations assert that short-term rentals have an oversized impact on the ecosystem,

[0:49:16] Voice 3: sustainability, water and septic challenges on the island.

[0:49:19] Voice 3: With more than 200 camping sites turning over twice or more in a week, five resorts and

[0:49:25] Voice 3: B&Bs, and about 1,000 full- and part-time homeowners hosting family and friends, the

[0:49:30] Voice 3: water, environmental, and septic issues cannot be solely, or even mostly, the creation of

[0:49:35] Voice 3: only 9% of the visitor locations, the only grouping with guest turnover restrictions.

[0:49:42] Voice 3: Four in five short-term rentals have monitored capacity limits of eight or less.

[0:49:46] Voice 3: That means they contribute less than 20% of the estimated 6,000 visitors a week.

[0:49:52] Voice 3: Three in five short-term rentals have rainwater or cistern water systems, three

[0:49:56] Voice 3: and four never need to buy water during the season, and a hundred percent have

[0:50:01] Voice 3: water conservation instructions in their visitor guides. Nine in ten have

[0:50:05] Voice 3: serviced their septic systems in the last five years, and virtually all have

[0:50:09] Voice 3: garbage, compost, and recycling rules, and many ask visitors to take

[0:50:14] Voice 3: to take laundry, garbage, and recycling off the island. Short-term rentals are demonstrably

[0:50:20] Voice 3: and proactively managing sustainability, water, septic, and environmental issues for our island.

[0:50:27] Voice 3: The temporary use permit is introduced in the absence of business licenses to affect

[0:50:31] Voice 3: the count of short-term rentals. The province of BC announced in June that it is building

[0:50:36] Voice 3: a provincial registry that will create that desired count. While the ABC could not have

[0:50:42] Voice 3: have known this was in development, it does remove the need for a redundant count process

[0:50:46] Voice 3: or structure. We do, however, urge that Hornby community members participate in the province's

[0:50:52] Voice 3: work. The TUP, designed for out-of-the-ordinary and short-term property uses, is a heavily

[0:50:58] Voice 3: administrative, multi-step process that, used for this purpose, creates a substantially

[0:51:04] Voice 3: increased administrative burden on the Islands Trust staff, the local trust community, and

[0:51:09] Voice 3: and our community. The TUP is too unwieldy a tool to use to count short-term rentals.

[0:51:19] Voice 3: A further rationale for the TUP suggests that short-term rentals are frequently contravening

[0:51:25] Voice 3: the Official Community Plan and by-laws. In 2020, the year HISTRO launched and proactive

[0:51:32] Voice 3: short-term rental by-law enforcement began, there were 17 proactive files opened and 6

[0:51:37] Voice 3: six community complaints. In 2021, there were two community complaints and six proactive

[0:51:43] Voice 3: files. So far in 2022, not one short-term rental by-law complaint or proactive file

[0:51:50] Voice 3: has been made or opened. Islands Trust stated that complaints about specific short-term

[0:51:56] Voice 3: rentals on Hornby are infrequent. Since 2017, no short-term rental on Hornby has been fined

[0:52:02] Voice 3: or penalized for non-compliance with the bylaws. Our short-term rentals are willingly following

[0:52:08] Voice 3: the rules. The imposition of the TUP will not make them more willing. Decreasing the

[0:52:14] Voice 3: rental time frame by two months to June through August is recommended as a way to impact housing

[0:52:19] Voice 3: affordability, long-term housing availability, and reduce visitor pressure on the island.

[0:52:25] Voice 3: Obviously, this won't change things when tourism is highest in July and August, but

[0:52:30] Voice 3: but it could cut $1.2 million a year of direct spending from island businesses, artisans, trains, and other workers.

[0:52:37] Voice 3: We've already demonstrated that restrictions on short-term rental owners will not move their properties to long-term rentals.

[0:52:43] Voice 3: Consider the impact on our island's workers and businesses.

[0:52:47] Voice 3: Nearly all short-term rental visitors spend their estimated $130 every day with sit-down restaurants,

[0:52:54] Voice 3: take-out food stalls, local shops, local artists, and the farmer's market.

[0:52:58] Voice 3: Just a visitor staying in the 125 short-term rentals will spend an estimated $1.8 million to $2.5 million between May and September this year, not including accommodations.

[0:53:11] Voice 3: Of this, $700,000 to $1 million is estimated to be spent in May and September.

[0:53:17] Voice 3: Adding another half million in the off-season, short-term rental owners use their earnings to purchase services and goods from other Hornby residences.

[0:53:24] Voice 3: we cannot support a recommendation that damages our own and doesn't accomplish

[0:53:29] Voice 3: its intention history was formed because the official community plan recommended

[0:53:34] Voice 3: it two and a half years later history has a hundred members we believe we have

[0:53:39] Voice 3: enhanced the positive contribution of short-term rentals in our community

[0:53:43] Voice 3: we've created easy-to-adapt frameworks that support conditions for operations

[0:53:47] Voice 3: as expected in the official community plan we enable ecologically sensitive

[0:53:52] Voice 3: management, considerate visitor behaviors and a lens of community

[0:53:56] Voice 3: character and conservation. This has been achieved with connection, understanding

[0:54:02] Voice 3: and constructive leadership. Based on the verifiable information we have cited and

[0:54:08] Voice 3: sourced, we, the board, our 100 members and the 25 Hornby residents who have

[0:54:13] Voice 3: supported or endorsed our request again ask that the 14 APC recommendations not

[0:54:19] Voice 3: supported by facts, be removed from and help reduce the cost of any further work

[0:54:24] Voice 3: on the official community plan update. We respectfully submit that

[0:54:29] Voice 3: Hystra has and can, collectively with our community, the local trust committee, and

[0:54:34] Voice 3: the local trust committee, create and expand voluntary frameworks and

[0:54:38] Voice 3: protocols that reflect and protect Hornby and its unique values while

[0:54:43] Voice 3: including and supporting our short-term rental community members, both owners and

[0:54:47] Voice 3: visitors thank you for your attention these speaking notes with all of the

[0:54:51] Voice 3: source data three pages of it have been submitted to the local stress trust

[0:54:55] Voice 3: committee for the minutes of the meeting we look forward to your action and are

[0:54:59] Voice 3: happy to answer any questions thank you

[0:55:10] Trustee Fast: very much thanks for keeping it under

[0:55:11] Trustee Fast: the ten minutes and I appreciate you being succinct and clear thank you okay

[0:55:19] Trustee Fast: Okay. I'm going to now move to the next delegation. I forgot to say 10 minutes is the period for a delegation. I think it's probably supposed to be for all of them, but we'll just go ahead with 10 minutes for the next delegation. Right? Okay. And then, so this next one is housing and short-term rental recommendations by the APC. And I invite you, Jeff, where are you?

[0:55:47] Trustee Fast: we switched it oh okay and all right and it oh thank you okay that's the letter

[0:55:53] Trustee Fast: that came as the addendum okay so we would attach that under 6.2 and if you

[0:56:00] Trustee Fast: couldn't please be respectful of the Advisory Planning Commission which are

[0:56:04] Trustee Fast: volunteers who did the tasks that we asked them to do so just address your

[0:56:09] Trustee Fast: comments up here please go ahead

[0:56:18] Voice 27: We developed Fossil Beach Farm in an effort to sustain our family farm that has historic

[0:56:24] Voice 27: lineage in the Savoy and Fairman families for over a century.

[0:56:28] Voice 27: Our family farm is compromised with 80.5 acres of land and five years ago sadly became apparent

[0:56:34] Voice 27: that without intervention it would no longer be financially sustainable to manage.

[0:56:38] Voice 27: To avoid losing our precious farm and way of life, we reviewed the ALR regulations to

[0:56:44] Voice 27: determine the best-fit approach that would utilize the land with the least

[0:56:49] Voice 27: environmental impact allowing our family to remain on our homeland. This effort

[0:56:54] Voice 27: resulted in a plan that would create functional space that would utilize

[0:56:57] Voice 27: existing crops, orchard, livestock and also welcome locals and visitors alike

[0:57:02] Voice 27: where lifelong memories could be created. Through this endeavor we were able to

[0:57:07] Voice 27: support our local economy by hiring six local employees, two full-time local

[0:57:12] Voice 27: employees and one local business with two employees or some contact spaces. We

[0:57:18] Voice 27: also enable three elders to age in place who spent decades contributing to local

[0:57:22] Voice 27: community and affordable housing for another worker on Harvey Island. On top

[0:57:27] Voice 27: of this we also hire a substantial amount of local area contractors,

[0:57:31] Voice 27: consultants and contribute to almost any local area event or organization as

[0:57:36] Voice 27: requested. Fossil Beach Farm was created as a gathering place as a special space

[0:57:41] Voice 27: to build community.

[0:57:43] Voice 27: Cornby Island is deeply cherished by our family

[0:57:45] Voice 27: and our business operations strive to keep the best

[0:57:48] Voice 27: interests of the island at the center of all undertakings.

[0:57:50] Voice 27: Prior to building our farm in its current state,

[0:57:53] Voice 27: we collaborated with our professional network

[0:57:55] Voice 27: to develop a plan to coincide with Cornby's

[0:57:57] Voice 27: official community plan, provincial regular ALR laws

[0:58:01] Voice 27: and bylaws, the Cornets Valley Regional District,

[0:58:05] Voice 27: as well as the local island's trust.

[0:58:07] Voice 27: Due to our onsite manufacturing of value-added

[0:58:10] Voice 27: agricultural produce products we also fall under the heavily regulated british company liquor

[0:58:16] Voice 27: distribution rights different cannabis regulation branch and island health all of these conduct

[0:58:22] Voice 27: regular inspections and testing in our facilities and i would argue that our parcel of land our

[0:58:27] Voice 27: operations are one of the most heavily regulated and inspected on burmby island given our effort

[0:58:33] Voice 27: uh given all of our law-abiding efforts to date with the heavy regular regulatory scrutiny we

[0:58:38] Voice 27: be managed on a regular basis it came as a great shock when i read on the may 31st 2022 um via the

[0:58:45] Voice 27: higher news letter that fossil beach and the rain of vineyard were listed under the buyer advisory

[0:58:50] Voice 27: planning commission recommendations on page eight zoning recommendations number two create bylaws

[0:58:56] Voice 27: governing lorraine vineyards and fossil beach farm please be advised this recommendation was made

[0:59:02] Voice 27: without any prior notice or consultation with fossil beach run further our response has not

[0:59:07] Voice 27: been requested for any questions direct or indirect about our operations water

[0:59:11] Voice 27: consumption wastewater management capacity impact licensing affiliated

[0:59:15] Voice 27: bylaws future plans upon further review it's seen the fossil beach farm

[0:59:20] Voice 27: related to rain advantage was specifically targeted given that there

[0:59:23] Voice 27: are other glass and providers offering lawfully on ALR land on her man and

[0:59:27] Voice 27: that's not mentioned today I have not yet received any clarity as to the

[0:59:32] Voice 27: impacts maybe for our business to the islands trust accept these

[0:59:35] Voice 27: recommendations. For your awareness, this year we hosted a pancake breakfast meet

[0:59:40] Voice 27: and greet the farm proceeds of the event were donated to the Hornby Island Preschool.

[0:59:44] Voice 27: This allowed Hornby Island community a first-hand opportunity to meet Fossil

[0:59:49] Voice 27: Beach Farm crew and family and see what we do and experience how we do it. This

[0:59:53] Voice 27: event was very well attended by the community, orchards and our, sorry, the

[0:59:58] Voice 27: community was able to view our orchards.

[1:00:00] Voice 27: glamping tents inside our facility in light of this i'd like to take the opportunity to inform

[1:00:05] Voice 27: the apc islands trust and all interested community members about our operation the following are the

[1:00:10] Voice 27: main points we'd like all parties involved to be aware of farming we lease our farmland to a local

[1:00:16] Voice 27: rancher and purchase the beef from him to sell as beef burgers at fossil beef farm outdoor kitchen

[1:00:22] Voice 27: tasting and glamping area is utilized as pasture land from october to may we collaborated with

[1:00:28] Voice 27: experienced farm planners to develop a riparian and caster rotational grazing

[1:00:33] Voice 27: plans. Our irrigation livestock drinking water is taken from a holding pond that

[1:00:38] Voice 27: is recharged by winter precipitation. The holding pond is lined naturally with

[1:00:42] Voice 27: occurring non-crematable blue clay. As per the regulations we are

[1:00:47] Voice 27: licensed for 10 no impact dwellings on 80 acres of land. Given our personal

[1:00:51] Voice 27: considerations regarding environmental impact, we opted to limit ours to seven.

[1:00:56] Voice 27: In addition, we chose to cap the adult guests to 16 max at any one time.

[1:01:01] Voice 27: All guests are provided with a detailed information package regarding water consumption and conservation of the property prior to arrival.

[1:01:08] Voice 27: Our set of no-impact dwellings are built on platforms, removal of piers, on-site milled wood.

[1:01:13] Voice 27: The footprint is approximately 2,800 square feet on approximately 3.4 million square feet of land.

[1:01:20] Voice 27: Water. We utilize community water system and a certified regular monitor tested by

[1:01:25] Voice 27: Island Health. We have added a sipping cistern to avoid depletion of our well

[1:01:29] Voice 27: during a high use time. We digitally monitor water consumption with leak alerts being

[1:01:33] Voice 27: paged to a variety of digital devices in the event that our issue of overuse of

[1:01:38] Voice 27: water occurs. Our septic system is engineered and Island Health approved for

[1:01:42] Voice 27: 150 persons and is regularly maintained and monitored. Food. We subcontract our

[1:01:48] Voice 27: local island resident who employs two farm beef island residents we endeavor to purchase as much

[1:01:54] Voice 27: as we can from the whole island farms including our own beef cider we sustain two on-site orchards

[1:02:00] Voice 27: and a third is in development we purchase and support over 10 additional island growers and

[1:02:04] Voice 27: orchards water is not used directly in our product economic we are directly inputting 200 000 to

[1:02:12] Voice 27: local economy through jobs, contractors, musicians, artists, farm crews, livestock, etc.

[1:02:18] Voice 27: Gas to fossil beach farm also estimated a hundred thousand dollars annually into local economy.

[1:02:24] Voice 27: Finally, on a personal note, I'm an Indigenous mother, fourth generation farm calendar, registered nurse,

[1:02:31] Voice 27: and business owner. My passion is to provide a wholesome family-based service to our community

[1:02:36] Voice 27: with the goal of sustaining our family farm for future generations. If this process leads to

[1:02:42] Voice 27: a decision where the community determines

[1:02:44] Voice 27: more dialogue should be enacted

[1:02:46] Voice 27: on us, it could bring devastation

[1:02:48] Voice 27: to our business. My hope

[1:02:50] Voice 27: is that this letter and presentation

[1:02:52] Voice 27: provide much needed clarity about our

[1:02:54] Voice 27: business operations

[1:02:56] Voice 27: that has not been provided

[1:02:57] Voice 27: by special

[1:02:59] Voice 27: groups that have been forming this process

[1:03:02] Voice 27: to date. Thank you

[1:03:05] Voice 27: for your time and everyone who's been involved

[1:03:07] Voice 27: in this issue. Please let me know if you

[1:03:09] Voice 27: have any questions. Thank you.

[1:03:19] Trustee Fast: Go ahead. You've got questions too. Just a second. I've got my attention. First, go ahead, trustee.

[1:03:27] Voice 22: Eileen. Yes. Thank you for your very well thought out presentation and the clapping, which you're not supposed to do, as you probably all know.

[1:03:37] Voice 22: Thank you for that too, Sue Ellen. Sorry. It is horny.

[1:03:41] Voice 22: me um so i just want to say um what the abc said is uh advisory uh sue ellen pointed that out

[1:03:51] Voice 22: earlier um it was something that came out because of the way brad's dad's land and uh sissy g and

[1:03:59] Voice 22: some of the others were dealt with under the bylaws so they i think what they did without

[1:04:03] Voice 22: speaking for them i think they thought maybe that your situation might fit into that uh personally

[1:04:09] Voice 22: I don't quite think it does because the others were sort of long-term before the bylaws years

[1:04:15] Voice 22: What you've got is is much sooner now. I cannot comment on what how we might go in the future

[1:04:21] Voice 22: But if it's not needed

[1:04:24] Voice 22: it won't happen and it's the recommendation is advisory and

[1:04:30] Voice 22: Those folks fought in all good stead. I don't think they were intending to hurt you at all

[1:04:34] Voice 22: I think they might have even thought it might help you, because it sets up a special situation for, like the bakery, so I think that was the intent of that, I don't think it was in any way to restrict you, but whatever, whatever,

[1:04:51] Voice 22: I don't want to get any further into the APC thing, so I'm just going to shut me down again.

[1:04:55] Voice 22: No,

[1:04:55] Trustee Fast: I was just going to say thank you for coming and speaking and providing all the information.

[1:05:01] Trustee Fast: So

[1:05:02] Voice 22: I just want to give you some assurance that there's no tension on my part and I think Alex, Alan's, to hamper your, what you've done on your farm. Thank you.

[1:05:14] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Go ahead, Alex.

[1:05:16] Voice 15: Yeah, I'll just echo what Grant just said as well and, but I just want to say, I wanted to have, who are you?

[1:05:23] Voice 4: Heather.

[1:05:23] Voice 4: Sorry. I'm

[1:05:27] Voice 15: blaming my cold. Heather, I

[1:05:29] Voice 10: get it

[1:05:32] Voice 15: every year this time. To explain the temporary use permit and what happens to the review, if I may, can I just come with a history that you have a great website, but I really felt was lacking is that you have to go to resources and go all the way down just to find the actual Hornby Island vacation rental bylaws.

[1:05:51] Voice 15: and we really you know you have your bios right front and center on the

[1:05:55] Voice 15: website but I was surprised that you know the vacation rental bios weren't

[1:05:59] Voice 15: like right there as soon as you open it up you have to like sort of search and

[1:06:02] Voice 15: there's other resources that's all I was gonna say okay

[1:06:06] Trustee Fast: thank you did you have a

[1:06:07] Trustee Fast: question for Heather yes

[1:06:09] Voice 15: I wanted to explain the term of use permit renewals

[1:06:13] Voice 15: what happens the third time right

[1:06:15] Voice 24: yeah I

[1:06:17] Voice 24: think there's been some questions about

[1:06:19] Voice 24: that I've gotten some questions about temporary use permits the way the bylaws

[1:06:23] Voice 24: read now you can get a temporary use permit for three years you can renew it

[1:06:28] Voice 24: and then it's sort of vague as to whether or not you can then get another

[1:06:33] Voice 24: three years and I think that the there's been confusion that not everybody knows

[1:06:39] Voice 24: what it is as far as I know and then we've talked about this recently you can

[1:06:46] Voice 24: can get it again. The way that we're reading it is that you get the original for three years, you can renew that one for three years,

[1:06:56] Voice 24: and then you can apply for a brand new one, is kind of how that works, and then renew that one.

[1:07:03] Voice 24: So, theoretically, it can go on for several years, but every time you apply and renew, you're subject to it being denied,

[1:07:12] Voice 24: right it's not a then it's not a permanent permanent permit so in that

[1:07:18] Voice 24: sense I can see where it doesn't provide surety for the property owner right it's

[1:07:24] Voice 24: not that it's not the best okay I

[1:07:34] Voice 12: would

[1:07:37] Trustee Fast: well okay all right then I don't like

[1:07:44] Trustee Fast: like doing this because it takes us into a longer discussion and we've got um the housing and a

[1:07:51] Trustee Fast: number of other applications ahead of us right so

[1:07:53] Voice 15: we can do the shorter ones okay

[1:07:55] Trustee Fast: uh we're already

[1:07:56] Trustee Fast: into um the next bunch of period but i'm going to start over here and then i'll come to you

[1:08:00] Trustee Fast: go ahead please i just have a very quick question

[1:08:03] Voice 4: so that i can understand more fully

[1:08:04] Voice 4: is there a cost for renewal yes

[1:08:07] Voice 24: there's a cost for each each time you apply how much does that cost

[1:08:11] Voice 24: Oh, gosh. I would have to look at the fees. It's in our fees by-law. I don't have it in front of me, and I can't pull it up at the moment.

[1:08:19] Voice 22: It's $340. Beulah Creek was $240.

[1:08:22] Voice 22: Thank you. I

[1:08:23] Trustee Fast: just wanted to get a sense of exactly what we're talking about.

[1:08:26] Trustee Fast: Okay. One second. Can I? Go ahead.

[1:08:30] Trustee Fast: I

[1:08:30] Voice 16: was on the Hornby APC, I think, when those bylaws were designed, and if my memory serves me right, in the bylaw it says a renewal once only, so there is some ambiguity around the interpretation.

[1:08:47] Voice 16: interpretation. The intent at the time was that there was an application, one renewal,

[1:08:53] Voice 16: and it says only in the by-laws till this date. So the interpretation that you can start

[1:08:59] Voice 16: over and do another temporary use permit is an interpretation of the by-laws that maybe

[1:09:04] Voice 16: have evolved, but were not the original intent.

[1:09:08] Voice 24: Which may be a reason to re-examine the by-law, just for that reason, yeah.

[1:09:13] Voice 24: yeah okay

[1:09:14] Trustee Fast: thank you did you um go ahead i

[1:09:20] Voice 22: fully understand as a business person myself the

[1:09:23] Voice 22: temporary use permit does not work very well at all for long-term economic investment and that's

[1:09:30] Voice 22: what uh any kind of it's called a short-term vacation rental but the investment to create

[1:09:37] Voice 22: a short-term vacation rental is not short-term so the words get kind of mumble jumbled in that

[1:09:44] Voice 22: what we need is is a better way to regulate and get them so people get a

[1:09:51] Voice 22: permit for a long term give them the security that's low cost and it's

[1:09:56] Voice 22: efficient way to do it how we do that is very much up to question and maybe the

[1:10:03] Voice 22: mechanism we have now needs to be changed a little bit that's the question

[1:10:08] Voice 22: I don't have the answer to but but I know it has to be efficient and and and

[1:10:13] Voice 22: And not costly. I know that part of it.

[1:10:16] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you. I think we've got another question over here.

[1:10:18] Voice 22: Yeah, just a quick question.

[1:10:19] Voice 29: Go ahead.

[1:10:20] Voice 29: Who decides who gets a permit and who does not get a permit?

[1:10:23] Voice 29: The LTC.

[1:10:24] Trustee Fast: We do.

[1:10:26] Trustee Fast: Staff do accept the application and look at the rules, and then they create a report.

[1:10:32] Trustee Fast: Like the other reports in our agenda today, it comes in under applications,

[1:10:36] Trustee Fast: and it's the elected local trust committee who makes the decision.

[1:10:40] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[1:10:41] Trustee Fast: Right?

[1:10:41] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[1:10:42] Voice 24: So, later on in the agenda, I have a report where we're talking about this project, and I have some recommendations around it.

[1:10:50] Voice 24: But there may be some aspects that I was going to talk about in that report that maybe we could touch on now.

[1:10:56] Voice 24: Yeah.

[1:10:56] Voice 24: And get that over with while everybody's here so they don't have to sit through everything.

[1:11:01] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[1:11:02] Trustee Fast: I think, and this is your report on page.

[1:11:09] Trustee Fast: It's item 10.1, right?

[1:11:11] Trustee Fast: Right, term end of projects report.

[1:11:13] Trustee Fast: That's right.

[1:11:13] Trustee Fast: This is where Regional Planning Manager Cower has given us some advice about where to go next

[1:11:20] Trustee Fast: so that we can set the next term of the Local Trust Committee up.

[1:11:25] Trustee Fast: And so...

[1:11:26] Voice 22: Angela here.

[1:11:29] Voice 22: Just

[1:11:30] Voice 26: a short question.

[1:11:32] Trustee Fast: Before we get into this then.

[1:11:34] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[1:11:35] Voice 26: It's to do with the temporary use permit and licenses.

[1:11:36] Voice 26: and I know a lot of municipalities have gone to licenses or for different things

[1:11:43] Voice 26: versus a temporary use permit and in a license process my understanding is the

[1:11:49] Voice 26: license has specific factual requirements that you need and staff are

[1:11:53] Voice 26: able to approve a license the temporary use permit gives flexibility to the

[1:11:58] Voice 26: trustees under a discretionary different and I think that is a big for us it's a

[1:12:04] Voice 26: One

[1:12:04] Trustee Fast: of the challenges is, and I can just speak from Bowen Island Municipality, where I also sit as a municipal councillor, there we have business licenses because the province allows us to issue them.

[1:12:16] Trustee Fast: The province doesn't allow...

[1:12:17] Voice 26: Yeah, we realize that, but it doesn't make a temporary use permit.

[1:12:20] Voice 26: Doesn't

[1:12:21] Trustee Fast: make it easier.

[1:12:22] Trustee Fast: No.

[1:12:23] Trustee Fast: No, it's just that we can't do the other ones.

[1:12:25] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Heather.

[1:12:25] Trustee Fast: If you want to take us into, just for people following along, or if you're watching the recording later, we're sort of going into the report at page 244.

[1:12:34] Trustee Fast: But while everybody's here and we're having this conversation, please go ahead.

[1:12:39] Voice 24: Yeah, I think there's some aspects that have come up already.

[1:12:41] Voice 24: I did want to touch base about the meeting format as well.

[1:12:45] Voice 24: The most technologically challenging format for the meeting is one in which we have an in-person section and we're zooming it.

[1:12:56] Voice 24: We're working on options for that. But one of the biggest challenges we have is the venue doesn't have Wi-Fi that supports that.

[1:13:06] Voice 24: So to the extent that you can support your local venues doing that, that's great.

[1:13:12] Voice 24: and we we want to do that that's our goal that that's those are our

[1:13:16] Voice 24: challenges in terms of community meetings so you know right now this this

[1:13:22] Voice 24: is a we consider it a project it has a budget associated with it we have

[1:13:27] Voice 24: consultants that are have been hired in order to do community meetings but

[1:13:33] Voice 24: there's a limited budget on that and consultants pass money one of the

[1:13:37] Voice 24: reasons that it's difficult for the trustees to just have a meeting is that

[1:13:45] Voice 24: there are rules in the community charter that that govern what it looks like when

[1:13:50] Voice 24: the two of them are together and they create a quorum so every time the two of

[1:13:55] Voice 24: them are in a meeting together we have to call that an open meeting and it has

[1:13:59] Voice 24: to be notified and there has to be a minute taker that's the challenge of

[1:14:04] Voice 24: of community meetings that don't include staff, right?

[1:14:08] Voice 24: And if they make any,

[1:14:10] Voice 24: so if Grant decided to do a meeting all by himself,

[1:14:13] Voice 24: now he's potentially influencing the community

[1:14:17] Voice 24: in a way that isn't supported by the entire LTC.

[1:14:20] Voice 24: So there's all these, those are the kinds of things

[1:14:23] Voice 24: that the weird bureaucratic things that,

[1:14:26] Voice 24: but also designed to help democracy, you know.

[1:14:32] Voice 24: So, however, there are communities that have done things like Liskety Island, Liskety Island has the Liskety Community Association, and they, they actually took it upon themselves to have a series of community meetings that that talked about all of these topics and in the end that that community association produced a report that went to the local trust committee on Liskety to support their OCP.

[1:15:00] Voice 24: Right. That is I think it's a good model.

[1:15:05] Voice 24: They actually did a really good job of organizing those meetings, of advertising them and of recording all of the information they were getting from the meeting, which is really key.

[1:15:16] Voice 24: Like we we need to be able to demonstrate a good process and a recorded process that can be supported later on with data.

[1:15:25] Voice 24: so those are some ideas you know we can talk a little bit later about the

[1:15:32] Voice 24: particular contract has a consultants conducting two workshops one of those

[1:15:39] Voice 24: was we're tentatively hoping will be on the 29th of September and there will be

[1:15:48] Voice 24: another one to be determined what date that is that kind of takes up all the

[1:15:54] Voice 24: money that we have for that for that contract and so if we want more meetings than that for this

[1:16:00] Voice 24: project we'll have to get creative about it um and or ask for more money for next year that's kind of

[1:16:06] Voice 24: how that works um so i just wanted to kind of explain that that aspect of it um i can probably

[1:16:15] Voice 24: get into the rest of the staff report later those might be details that others aren't interested in

[1:16:21] Voice 24: but I just kind of wanted to include that part of it okay

[1:16:24] Trustee Fast: thank you go ahead trustee Allen um yeah

[1:16:28] Voice 15: regarding the September 29th date for a consultation somebody's informing that that's it's going to be

[1:16:35] Voice 15: a virtual open house the same evening the Comox First Nations proposed treaty I think that's

[1:16:40] Voice 15: actually what we heard in our closed in camera meeting what's now going to be made public so

[1:16:45] Voice 15: that's the same evening I'm not sure whether we should think about that or not it's six to seven

[1:16:51] Voice 15: Yeah, yeah,

[1:16:52] Trustee Fast: that makes sense.

[1:16:52] Voice 15: So we might have to rearrange that.

[1:16:55] Trustee Fast: Yeah, okay, good point.

[1:17:00] Trustee Fast: Okay, I'm

[1:17:01] Voice 7: going to ask another question.

[1:17:02] Voice 7: Go ahead.

[1:17:02] Voice 7: Yeah, when you have that first meeting, or whoever has it, maybe I will have it,

[1:17:08] Voice 7: can part of it be that we look at the points that we all agree on as a starting point?

[1:17:15] Voice 7: Because I think everyone, I'm going to be universal, would totally support what history is doing.

[1:17:22] Voice 7: right and how they're doing it and i think if we can look at the places that we all come

[1:17:26] Voice 7: and and go you know we accepted water and fire and all those things and then how do we balance that

[1:17:33] Voice 7: with the economy and with the impact because i think if we come at it from where we sit together

[1:17:42] Voice 7: then it'll just make it so much better so yeah whoever you can could you please ask them

[1:17:48] Voice 24: That's definitely part of the design of the workshops. I think it's also important to be really clear on exactly what is being recommended by the APC.

[1:18:00] Voice 24: So far the APC hasn't provided a presentation on the recommendations and I

[1:18:06] Voice 24: wonder if it might be useful to at least have that so we're all clear on that baseline.

[1:18:11] Voice 24: baseline and

[1:18:12] Voice 24: perhaps hear some of the rationale that went into it. We have minutes, but sometimes

[1:18:19] Voice 24: it's helpful to have them give a presentation about it too.

[1:18:23] Trustee Fast: Yeah, and I think we haven't had, staff haven't had a chance to, or we haven't given direction

[1:18:29] Trustee Fast: to staff to analyze their recommendations either. So there's a number of steps that

[1:18:36] Trustee Fast: would seem like they could be the next steps for perhaps the next local trust committee

[1:18:41] Trustee Fast: to do. And so anyway, that's great. Okay, thank you. Any more? Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[1:18:50] Voice 23: I'm Daniel Siegel. I've been living here for 17 years, and I'm the current president of

[1:18:55] Voice 23: HIRA. So I just want to say two things that are around the issue. One of them is HIRA,

[1:19:01] Voice 23: I'm sure, would be very happy to call whatever additional consultation meetings that we think

[1:19:08] Voice 23: we need and I'm sure we have the capacity to record information and do that without having to

[1:19:14] Voice 23: train the budget of the trust so I'm sure we would be happy to do that I would be happy to make an

[1:19:20] Voice 23: announcement at our next meeting next week to say that that's what we're hoping to do and if people

[1:19:26] Voice 23: have very strong objections they could let us know but I doubt they would the other thing is just to

[1:19:30] Voice 23: make the wi-fi situation a little more understandable TELUS provides varying levels of download speed

[1:19:37] Voice 23: speed on the island, but basically only one level of upload speed because they sacrificed

[1:19:43] Voice 23: one for the other.

[1:19:44] Voice 23: That's why we can't have hybrid meetings, but we are, thanks to Karen and many other

[1:19:48] Voice 23: people, we are waiting now for City West to come here, and when they will come, hopefully

[1:19:54] Voice 23: the fiber optic will allow for hybrid meetings, because hybrid wants to have them too.

[1:19:59] Voice 23: So we did a huge amount of work last summer to discover that no matter what we did here,

[1:20:04] Voice 23: we can't affect the upload speed.

[1:20:06] Voice 23: So that's the simple answer to that and the solution is HINDS works at the moment as far as I know.

[1:20:13] Voice 29: Okay, thank you.

[1:20:15] Voice 16: There is just one place on the island that has hydro-optic internet and that's the school.

[1:20:20] Voice 16: I don't know if they've got areas that they rent.

[1:20:23] Voice 16: That would be an opportunity.

[1:20:25] Voice 23: I think they live it separate somehow.

[1:20:27] Voice 23: Yeah, because we looked into that when the school was in the hall.

[1:20:32] Voice 23: we

[1:20:32] Trustee Fast: can we can thank you um staff can follow that up i just want to check one second i haven't heard

[1:20:38] Trustee Fast: from katherine katherine are you still there can you hear us uh yes i am it's just scratchy but

[1:20:44] Trustee Fast: okay thank you as long as you can uh hear us trustees mostly and we'll try and speak up

[1:20:51] Trustee Fast: okay because just because she's got to keep the minutes official minutes yes um okay i'm wondering

[1:21:00] Trustee Fast: if we can move on now with the other parts of the oh sorry go ahead grant i

[1:21:07] Voice 22: just want to say

[1:21:08] Voice 22: about the advisory planning commission process number one it's advisory number two the people

[1:21:15] Voice 22: on the apc did exactly what they were asked the meetings were open they were advertised and people

[1:21:22] Voice 22: the membership of it is open and wait so i'm somewhat surprised uh i know how difficult

[1:21:32] Voice 22: there's going to be a lot of the meetings were talking about all these things were advertised

[1:21:37] Voice 22: really nobody went to them so i don't see what the reaction to it is negative at all i see it's

[1:21:43] Voice 22: but what the advisory planning commission done is very very effectively put something forward

[1:21:48] Voice 22: for all of us and i don't want to put even an ounce of negative in that department

[1:21:53] Voice 22: they work really hard on it as not getting paid or anything else histra has very effectively taken

[1:22:00] Voice 22: them at and look at the number of people in this room so i just want to thank everybody and the way

[1:22:05] Voice 22: april so wonderfully frames it in those community words that's where we want to go and we're going

[1:22:11] Voice 22: to start i hope we can work together on this uh thank you thank

[1:22:16] Trustee Fast: you okay very good through the

[1:22:19] Trustee Fast: challenges of uh climate change and all these kinds of things ahead uh one more go ahead thank

[1:22:25] Voice 16: Thank you Susan. Grant, I wondered if with new information the APC might take it upon themselves to re-amend the actual thing that we're going to talk about.

[1:22:36] Voice 16: They can't do that.

[1:22:36] Voice 16: Well, they can't?

[1:22:37] Voice 22: It's a report, it's gone in.

[1:22:39] Voice 22: Okay. It just

[1:22:41] Voice 16: seems like it would be a good launching spot.

[1:22:43] Voice 22: Heather, that's right, isn't it?

[1:22:46] Voice 24: Theoretically, the LTC could refer back and ask them to re-examine it.

[1:22:52] Voice 22: I don't think they have the appetite for that, but anyway, it's something we can discuss in the future.

[1:22:57] I think it needs to go to

[1:22:59] Voice 7: community. That's right. It needs to go to community, not little groups. We all need to come together on this.

[1:23:06] Voice 22: They can only add an examiner on this stuff later on.

[1:23:10] Voice 22: Okay.

[1:23:10] Trustee Fast: All right, everybody. We're at noon now, I think, right? Yes.

[1:23:14] Trustee Fast: And I'm noticing that we're about half an hour behind in our agenda.

[1:23:20] Trustee Fast: However, we've covered a lot of ground, including some of the material that we're going to want to talk about later.

[1:23:28] Trustee Fast: So with that, we're going to continue.

[1:23:32] Trustee Fast: We're scheduled for a break at 1240.

[1:23:34] Trustee Fast: So we're going to move now into the exciting realm of minutes.

[1:23:39] Trustee Fast: If everybody's okay with that, we've got material to cover.

[1:23:42] Trustee Fast: I'm just expecting that there's gonna be sort of a movement here yeah okay so two

[1:23:50] Trustee Fast: minute break two minute break while people move around

[1:24:23] Voice 20: I don't know, like, how long ago is the date?

[1:24:25] Voice 20: I don't know.

[1:24:26] I mean, this is where I came from.

[1:24:30] I came from a single family.

[1:24:33] Voice 10: Yeah, maybe they were.

[1:24:34] Voice 19: But I think it comes into it.

[1:24:39] Voice 10: I knew.

[1:24:40] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:24:42] Voice 10: Well, there's tons around.

[1:24:45] Voice 10: There's tons around.

[1:24:47] Voice 10: There's tons around.

[1:24:47] Voice 10: There's tons around.

[1:25:06] Voice 3: She has trouble breathing, you

[1:25:08] Trustee Fast: know. It's hard for her to hear.

[1:25:10] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:25:10] Trustee Fast: but this is like...

[1:25:12] Jesus.

[1:25:13] I'm so sorry.

[1:25:15] She was right.

[1:25:17] I know, exactly.

[1:25:21] I just have to give her water.

[1:25:24] Voice 20: I don't know why I'm over that.

[1:25:26] Voice 14: I don't know why I'm over that.

[1:25:28] Voice 20: I don't know why I'm over that.

[1:25:28] Voice 20: I don't know why I'm over that.

[1:25:31] Voice 20: I mean, I did look like a girl.

[1:25:33] Voice 10: I mean, I did look like a girl.

[1:25:34] Voice 10: I think it was all fake.

[1:25:34] Voice 10: I think

[1:25:37] Voice 20: it was all fake.

[1:25:59] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:26:50] Voice 10: I don't know.

[1:27:18] Trustee Fast: You like it when I gallop through them.

[1:27:20] Trustee Fast: You like it when I

[1:27:22] Voice 9: get out of the room then.

[1:27:23] Voice 10: That's

[1:27:24] Voice 1: what I'm talking about.

[1:27:25] Voice 1: That's what I'm talking about.

[1:27:27] Voice 1: No, I agree with you.

[1:27:28] Voice 1: I'm going to stop.

[1:27:29] Voice 10: I'm going to sit here.

[1:27:33] Voice 1: You know, it's good stuff.

[1:27:34] Voice 22: Very important.

[1:27:35] Voice 22: Yeah.

[1:27:52] Trustee Fast: Today! Today! Yes, that's why I'm trying to...

[1:27:58] Trustee Fast: Okay, so...

[1:28:09] They're just about to leave.

[1:28:11] I don't get why the boss is so good.

[1:28:15] You're just so good.

[1:28:17] I don't get why the boss is so good.

[1:28:20] That's

[1:28:20] Voice 1: why we need to go last.

[1:28:22] Voice 1: Let's go last.

[1:28:22] Voice 1: Oh, yeah.

[1:28:23] Voice 7: Yeah, yeah.

[1:28:23] Voice 1: Go on.

[1:28:24] Voice 7: Because that's

[1:28:24] Voice 7: like me and Decentral.

[1:28:26] Voice 7: That's very vital.

[1:28:27] Voice 7: Because I have to go back.

[1:28:28] Voice 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:28:30] Voice 10: That's what I just heard.

[1:28:31] Voice 10: Because I talked to you guys.

[1:28:32] Voice 19: Because you

[1:28:33] Voice 19: were on before.

[1:28:34] Voice 10: Yeah, I'm on.

[1:28:35] Voice 10: I told you.

[1:28:36] Voice 19: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:28:37] Voice 19: Well, I think Mary's got to expand that.

[1:28:41] Voice 10: So you're still at St. John's?

[1:28:44] Voice 15: What do you think?

[1:28:46] Voice 10: We're coming

[1:28:47] Voice 15: back! We're coming back!

[1:28:50] Voice 15: We

[1:28:50] Voice 10: did all these different things.

[1:28:56] Voice 10: I'm talking about you!

[1:28:58] Voice 18: We

[1:28:59] Voice 10: did

[1:29:03] Voice 18: all these different things.

[1:29:22] Voice 9: and other

[1:29:39] Trustee Fast: things as well as minutes uh ahead so um calling us back to order here let me put this

[1:29:46] Trustee Fast: in the middle um then uh thank you everybody oops thanks everybody for um your participation

[1:29:55] Trustee Fast: Participation so far and I just want to note for the recording that the room

[1:30:00] Trustee Fast: The number of people in the room has gone down by about two-thirds, but that's fair enough, and that's why I called the break.

[1:30:07] Trustee Fast: Okay, so let's move ahead now. We're going to go. We're just going to open the door.

[1:30:15] Trustee Fast: Welcome back.

[1:30:20] Trustee Fast: And if you can prop that door open some. Oh, thank you. Very good.

[1:30:24] Trustee Fast: Okay, so we're going to come back to page 43, and our minute taker is here with us.

[1:30:32] Trustee Fast: We need to look at our minutes from the meeting dated November 26th and think about whether we're going to adopt them as presented or whether we want to make changes to the minutes.

[1:30:46] Trustee Fast: Did you

[1:30:46] Voice 15: say November 26th?

[1:30:48] Trustee Fast: Yeah, sorry, I'm looking at page 43.

[1:30:51] Trustee Fast: Is it?

[1:30:52] Trustee Fast: We're wrong.

[1:30:54] Voice 14: Oh, yeah.

[1:30:56] Trustee Fast: It's just the incorrect date on the cover sheet of the agenda.

[1:31:02] Trustee Fast: It's correct inside. This is our June 10th electronic meeting, correct?

[1:31:06] Voice 22: I move we...

[1:31:09] Voice 22: Well,

[1:31:10] Trustee Fast: hang on. I was going to ask if there's any changes. I think Alex had something. Go ahead.

[1:31:14] Voice 15: Yeah, in my trustee report, I don't remember saying that line,

[1:31:18] Voice 15: line the concept of the citizens assembly to address trust issues conflicts with political

[1:31:22] Voice 15: vanity okay that's not my words okay so i would can i have that removed yeah

[1:31:28] Trustee Fast: why don't we just

[1:31:29] Trustee Fast: strike it because it's not a decision of trust council so did you get that katherine that's the

[1:31:34] Trustee Fast: second last you got it yes i did thank you just strike that one that would be great

[1:31:42] Trustee Fast: any other changes to the minutes i'm seeing none so can i have a motion to um approve the minutes

[1:31:50] Trustee Fast: as amended. Thank you, Grant Scott. Do I have a seconder? Thank you, Trustee Allen. And

[1:31:55] Trustee Fast: all those in favor? Very good. The minutes of June the 10th, that should be, are adopted.

[1:32:04] Trustee Fast: June 10th, right? Yeah. And then we're going to go on to the next set of minutes. Oh, that's

[1:32:12] Trustee Fast: June the 10th 44 that is then oh if you look at page 43 now this is the November 26th thank you

[1:32:28] Trustee Fast: I see Heather's on it here so if you look at page um 43 this is the November 26th minutes

[1:32:37] Trustee Fast: are there any adjustments to these minutes no okay so this was a long time ago that's

[1:32:45] Trustee Fast: electronic meeting and um it was a special meeting and uh do you want to move adoption of the minutes

[1:32:51] Trustee Fast: sure okay as presented and do i have a seconder thank you why are we

[1:32:56] Voice 15: why are we approving these

[1:32:57] Voice 15: until november i don't understand why aren't you

[1:33:06] Trustee Fast: okay all in favor thank you that passes unanimously i'm saying it out loud because

[1:33:14] Trustee Fast: of course catherine can't see us and we don't have a way yet thank you okay

[1:33:18] Trustee Fast: so that those minutes are

[1:33:19] Trustee Fast: adopted as well now we're down on page 53 these are resolution resolutions without minutes that

[1:33:28] Trustee Fast: the province allows the islands trust to do because they um know that we can't meet very

[1:33:34] Trustee Fast: frequently compared to municipalities and so those are just listed there as a report to make it

[1:33:41] Trustee Fast: it transparent to everybody that we passed those resolutions. Okay. Moving on now to

[1:33:50] Trustee Fast: page 54. These are the APC minutes. The Advisory Planning Commission minutes dated August the

[1:33:58] Trustee Fast: 10th, and they're for receipt. So here's a chance for trustees to ask any questions or

[1:34:06] Trustee Fast: or just to receive, move to receive the minutes starting on page 54.

[1:34:13] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[1:34:15] Voice 15: Yeah, I feel like maybe we should provide you more information, to be honest,

[1:34:18] Voice 15: and that's why you haven't come back with your line.

[1:34:25] Voice 5: The trustee is looking at the chair of the

[1:34:27] Voice 5: APC, I think.

[1:34:29] Voice 15: Yeah, no specific recommendations.

[1:34:33] Voice 15: Why I brought this up way back when, and Karen remembers this, Karen Ross,

[1:34:37] Voice 15: We had two companies do the reports, and they were completely different, and I guess it was the MIMLISP report that was this area here.

[1:34:48] Voice 15: Oh,

[1:34:48] Voice 5: the environmental report.

[1:34:49] Voice 15: Yes, and so that was really what I, that's why I had put a task there at OPC, and I feel like we probably should provide more information, so maybe perhaps it can be revisited in a new period, however.

[1:35:02] Voice 15: So maybe, can

[1:35:04] Trustee Fast: you bring that up when we get down to the end-of-terms projects report there, page 10.1?

[1:35:13] Trustee Fast: And please go ahead,

[1:35:15] Voice 28: Wendy Bergen, Chair of the APC.

[1:35:16] Voice 28: That's what we did when we did look at the concern that you had raised,

[1:35:21] Voice 28: and we looked at those two reports and concluded that they did not contradict each other.

[1:35:27] Voice 28: one builds on the other one was about one section of the island and the other

[1:35:32] Voice 28: was about the remaining sections of the island it's to our view very clear that

[1:35:39] Voice 28: they are not that they do not reflect the concern that you raised to us so

[1:35:44] Voice 28: that's we we have enough I believe that we have enough information we read both

[1:35:51] Voice 28: reports very carefully compared them so I I don't I don't think that we need

[1:35:57] Voice 28: more information unless there's something that you need to tell us that

[1:36:01] Voice 28: we didn't have I

[1:36:02] Voice 15: think I might have to but what I'll do is I'll address it at

[1:36:05] Voice 15: the 10

[1:36:05] Voice 15: .2 in terms of 10.1 sorry okay good okay thank you

[1:36:13] Voice 15: because

[1:36:14] Trustee Fast: then here we

[1:36:15] Trustee Fast: can just address the minutes because we've got applicants yeah okay

[1:36:18] Trustee Fast: and so

[1:36:19] Trustee Fast: So, any changes to these minutes, or shall we adopt them as presented?

[1:36:24] Voice 7: Adopt.

[1:36:25] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:36:25] Trustee Fast: So, I've got a motion to adopt from Grant Scott.

[1:36:27] Trustee Fast: Do we have a seconder?

[1:36:28] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:36:29] Trustee Fast: And any discussion?

[1:36:31] Trustee Fast: All in favor?

[1:36:32] Trustee Fast: Three hands went up.

[1:36:33] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Catherine.

[1:36:34] Trustee Fast: So, those minutes are received.

[1:36:37] Trustee Fast: 7.4.

[1:36:39] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:36:40] Trustee Fast: And then, now we're going to zip ahead to the 8.1, our follow-up action list.

[1:36:45] Trustee Fast: this is things that we've asked staff to do or that we've taken on to do page 58

[1:36:51] Trustee Fast: and to 60 and are there questions here for the planner for a regional planning

[1:36:59] Trustee Fast: manager who's representing all the staff today when you gaze over these I had

[1:37:08] Trustee Fast: one I'm wondering about the watershed protection and groundwater preservation

[1:37:17] Trustee Fast: work is that something that you're going to cover in in 10.1 okay good all right

[1:37:22] Trustee Fast: this is a big one 10.1 so we'll be catching up on a bunch of the work but

[1:37:26] Trustee Fast: if there's a specific question here go ahead trustee scholar trustee Ellen do

[1:37:30] Voice 15: we have to change the wording on the number five menu OCP amendments review

[1:37:36] Voice 15: project it says include an in-person consultant membership do it doesn't

[1:37:39] Voice 15: matter I'm

[1:37:41] Trustee Fast: in person this was the direction that we gave them and when we

[1:37:45] Trustee Fast: we get to 10.1, we can change it. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. So we've got this big

[1:37:51] Trustee Fast: discussion ahead after the application.

[1:37:53] Voice 10: Any other

[1:37:55] Trustee Fast: questions about the follow-up action

[1:37:57] Trustee Fast: list, or should we move ahead? Okay, good. Then we'll just move ahead and we'll save

[1:38:01] Trustee Fast: it all for 10.1. Now we're into the applications. So here we are. We've got about 20 minutes,

[1:38:08] Trustee Fast: and we can get moving on these. The first one is a temporary use permit to renew the

[1:38:13] Trustee Fast: juice bar starting at page 61 to 82. So page 61 will begin and I'm going to turn

[1:38:21] Trustee Fast: here to Regional Planning Manager Heather Cowher.

[1:38:25] Voice 24: So these applications were developed by the other planners who aren't here so I'm going to do my best to summarize them.

[1:38:35] Voice 24: But essentially this is a temporary use permit for renewal of a previously issued temporary use

[1:38:41] Voice 24: permit for the temporary operation of a seasonal juice bar and for occasional outdoor seasonal

[1:38:47] Voice 24: vendor tables on the subject property the property being uh 6060 central road um let's see

[1:38:59] Voice 24: and our recommendation is that it be renewed um we do have a draft temporary use permit and there

[1:39:07] Voice 24: are conditions related to it and i will try to answer any questions i

[1:39:13] Trustee Fast: think we also had a letter

[1:39:14] Trustee Fast: come in yesterday, just before 4.30? We did, yes.

[1:39:18] Voice 24: As the staff report indicates, we had one letter of support, and then yesterday we got one letter of opposition.

[1:39:28] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you. And questions? Go ahead, Trustee

[1:39:31] Voice 15: Allen. Well, I've already asked privately, but I was under the impression if it's a renewal for a temporary use permit, it does not go to a public forum, and so I would like to know why this is going to a public forum,

[1:39:43] Voice 15: because I thought it was just a renewal is a renewal, so I just want to know, is this

[1:39:47] Voice 15: the right process, because I don't have questions.

[1:39:49] Voice 24: My understanding is that the Local Government Act dictates notification requirements for temporary use permits,

[1:39:56] Voice 24: and it doesn't distinguish between an original application or a renewal.

[1:40:01] Voice 24: So there's notification requirements each time, regardless of whether it's the original or the renewal. That's my understanding.

[1:40:07] Voice 24: me because what

[1:40:09] Voice 15: this feels like to me is you know they already applied and now

[1:40:13] Voice 15: people are raising issues that should be raised at the beginning of the first

[1:40:17] Voice 15: application and it's kind of like

[1:40:20] Voice 15: somebody going visiting a property about

[1:40:21] Voice 15: some specific issue C5 other things wrong with the property and so I'm only

[1:40:28] Voice 15: because the applicant could told me he could not be here he's working and his

[1:40:32] Voice 15: partner is also working so I just want to make sure this is clear because they

[1:40:37] Voice 15: they have concerns that this is not the right process okay

[1:40:41] Voice 7: so

[1:40:43] Voice 15: i'm not sure where to go from here

[1:40:45] Voice 22: so i

[1:40:46] Trustee Fast: think we could probably go ahead

[1:40:47] Voice 7: either

[1:40:49] Voice 22: um i understand clearly number one recommendation

[1:40:53] Voice 22: number one uh number two and number three um i don't i don't know why we would put it on the

[1:41:02] Voice 22: owner to have to go to the alr and to the water sustainability act which presumes the water

[1:41:08] Voice 22: branch why it shouldn't just be when we approve this number one we just don't

[1:41:15] Voice 22: send send it we send it to them and if they want to follow the ALR wants to

[1:41:20] Voice 22: follow up with Beulah Creek they can do it but rather than putting it on the

[1:41:24] Voice 22: owner to have to follow you know what I mean turn it around the other way just

[1:41:27] Voice 22: so it the applicant doesn't have to do that is it just another step for them

[1:41:31] Voice 22: did you

[1:41:32] Voice 7: say Beulah Creek well

[1:41:33] Voice 22: that's who that's who this is

[1:41:35] Voice 22: So they're now

[1:41:35] Voice 22: buried in company.

[1:41:36] Voice 22: If you have a clean nursery, I'm sorry.

[1:41:38] Trustee Fast: It's buried in company.

[1:41:39] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[1:41:43] Voice 24: So, go ahead.

[1:41:44] Voice 24: I mean, it's pretty typical for us to alert the applicant to the fact that there may be other agencies that have requirements.

[1:41:54] Voice 24: And it's pretty standard practice for us to, it's just a reminder to the applicant,

[1:41:59] Voice 24: there may be other

[1:42:00] Voice 24: agencies that have regulations that we don't have control over, but that you may still be subject to.

[1:42:06] Voice 24: and that's what this is that's what these are placeholders for but

[1:42:10] Voice 22: this is going to say they

[1:42:11] Voice 22: have to do it don't they have it

[1:42:15] Voice 24: you know that's

[1:42:16] Voice 22: what two of three do it

[1:42:17] Voice 24: it just says that that

[1:42:19] Voice 24: the permit itself has a placeholder that says to the applicant it is your responsibility too

[1:42:26] Voice 22: is that a normal is that is that a normal it is

[1:42:29] Voice 22: i just don't remember these two of threes being

[1:42:35] Voice 15: I agree. I

[1:42:36] Voice 15: don't remember these being on the initial application for the first temporary use permit. I don't remember these two asks at all.

[1:42:44] Voice 22: Does the sky fall in if we approve one and don't approve two or three?

[1:42:49] Voice 22: No.

[1:42:50] Trustee Fast: Do I

[1:42:51] Voice 22: hear a motion?

[1:42:52] Voice 22: I hear a motion.

[1:42:53] Trustee Fast: Okay. Do you want to

[1:42:54] Voice 22: make a motion?

[1:42:54] Voice 22: Yeah, I have, I, what's the wording again?

[1:42:58] Voice 22: That for me, I will approve issuance of temporary use permit HOTUP20221.1, like, you know?

[1:43:08] Voice 22: Yeah.

[1:43:08] Voice 22: This is one thing that dies on me, right?

[1:43:10] Voice 22: For a seasonal juice bar and outdoor seasonal vendor tables for a period of three years from the date of issuance to September 30th, 2025.

[1:43:19] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:43:20] Trustee Fast: Seconder?

[1:43:21] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:43:21] Trustee Fast: Okay. And discussion or more questions for the planner?

[1:43:25] Voice 15: I believe the co-op board wants to speak to your letter, I think.

[1:43:30] Voice 15: Should I speak?

[1:43:31] Voice 15: I was just wondering if you did

[1:43:33] Voice 15: send a letter.

[1:43:34] Voice 8: Oh, we've seen the letter.

[1:43:36] Voice 15: We've seen

[1:43:36] Trustee Fast: the letter.

[1:43:37] Trustee Fast: Can

[1:43:37] Voice 15: they speak to it?

[1:43:38] Voice 15: No,

[1:43:39] Trustee Fast: no. I'd like to move along because we've got other applications.

[1:43:42] Trustee Fast: I wasn't sure.

[1:43:43] Voice 15: I

[1:43:43] Trustee Fast: think, thank you for sending the letter.

[1:43:46] Voice 2: We've got it, right?

[1:43:48] Voice 2: So it is a condition of the approval that Barrett & Co. provide parking and facilities, so the Islands Trust will hold them to that responsibility.

[1:44:03] Trustee Fast: We put it in the permit, and correct me if I'm wrong, but if people are concerned that it's not being followed, they would need to make a formal complaint.

[1:44:16] Trustee Fast: complaint. We

[1:44:18] Trustee Fast: don't go checking on people.

[1:44:21] Voice 2: The co-op supports Baird's proposal. I mean,

[1:44:28] Voice 2: it's good for the community as a whole. What we don't support is the co-op providing services

[1:44:33] Voice 2: free of charge for everybody else that's a private enterprise. So we're concerned about

[1:44:39] Voice 2: that. So I hope Island Trust is also concerned about that.

[1:44:44] Voice 2: Well,

[1:44:44] Trustee Fast: it'll be specified in the permit, and so if there's concern that the specifications of the permit aren't being followed, then you can make a formal complaint to the Islands Trust, and we have by-law enforcement staff. Is that correct?

[1:45:04] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[1:45:04] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you. Go ahead.

[1:45:09] Trustee Fast: Oh, Grant, did you have a question?

[1:45:11] Trustee Fast: No, I want

[1:45:11] Voice 2: to hear the rest of what this gentleman said.

[1:45:13] Voice 2: Okay. So, we hope it is being followed. Again, let me say that co-op supports Bayard's application, but we don't understand where the 40 parking spaces are coming from or where the toilet facilities are coming from.

[1:45:33] Voice 2: So, if that could be made clear, everything would be great.

[1:45:37] Trustee Fast: Do you have any more information about that, Heather?

[1:45:43] Voice 24: I don't. I don't. We could, I could look at the permit a little bit more if we need a specific answer to that. I just need a few minutes.

[1:45:51] Trustee Fast: Okay. Let me, um, it's 61

[1:45:55] Trustee Fast: to 82. I'm just looking at the agenda here.

[1:46:03] Voice 22: Did it say how many parking places?

[1:46:06] Trustee Fast: Yeah. I saw the drawing.

[1:46:08] Voice 22: It's not 40.

[1:46:09] Voice 22: I think it's 20.

[1:46:12] Voice 22: Pardon?

[1:46:12] Voice 22: I thought it was 20.

[1:46:15] Voice 22: See what happened to the original application from years ago, it showed the whole area where all the plants are sitting and everything else.

[1:46:24] Voice 10: And

[1:46:24] Voice 22: so the planter calculated the number of parking places you need for all of that area.

[1:46:32] Voice 22: But as I pointed out, the plants don't drive in with cars, so when they actually took the buildings, it's kind of strange the way it's done.

[1:46:39] Voice 22: they took the page 81

[1:46:40] Voice 22: it boiled it down to 20 okay so that's that's the requirement it wasn't

[1:46:45] Voice 22: the original 40 and that was what it was that's a couple well that's three years ago now yeah

[1:46:52] Voice 22: that's how that transpired remember that no

[1:46:54] Voice 22: i think i

[1:46:57] Trustee Fast: remember vaguely but i'm not being as familiar with the island obviously in the

[1:47:02] Trustee Fast: landscape i'm looking at page 81 there's a sketch and i can see it says parking lot 20 cars yeah

[1:47:08] Voice 24: Yeah, that's

[1:47:08] Voice 24: what I'm referring to.

[1:47:09] Voice 24: Page 74 says 40.

[1:47:11] Voice 24: That's correct, that is correct.

[1:47:13] Voice 24: The permit itself says 40 spots, but the site plan says 20.

[1:47:18] Voice 24: So there is an inconsistency there.

[1:47:21] Voice 22: Okay, so the permit should say 20.

[1:47:26] Voice 24: Right, or vice versa.

[1:47:28] Voice 24: The site plan should say 40, is that,

[1:47:30] Voice 24: but I don't know if 40 fits on that space.

[1:47:33] Voice 24: Yeah, so.

[1:47:35] Voice 24: So what should we do?

[1:47:37] Voice 24: Yes.

[1:47:37] Trustee Fast: Yes. So can we ask for more information, or can we amend the permit?

[1:47:47] Voice 24: You can amend the permit.

[1:47:49] Trustee Fast: Okay. So this would

[1:47:50] Trustee Fast: be looking at page...

[1:47:54] Trustee Fast: To amend the permit, we can't amend the sketch, so it would have to be...

[1:47:59] Voice 24: Although, I'll just say, I mean, that won't address his concerns.

[1:48:04] Voice 24: It'll actually kind of exacerbate.

[1:48:07] Voice 24: yeah i

[1:48:07] Voice 24: think the concern is that they're not actually going to provide 40. um um

[1:48:12] Voice 22: yeah but

[1:48:13] Voice 22: at the same time i don't need the gentleman saying they need 40. i'm not saying they need

[1:48:18] Voice 22: 40. no they do they're ever so okay

[1:48:23] Trustee Fast: he just wants to make sure that they're providing enough 20

[1:48:27] Voice 2: would be uh desirable okay

[1:48:29] Trustee Fast: and so looking at page 78 then am i hearing a proposal from trustees

[1:48:34] Trustee Fast: trustees at E on page 78, which is the permit.

[1:48:39] Trustee Fast: Can

[1:48:40] Voice 22: we amend that?

[1:48:40] Trustee Fast: To amend that word from 40 to 20?

[1:48:44] Voice 22: Yes, I second.

[1:48:46] Trustee Fast: Okay, so Catherine, we're looking at page 78, 3E.

[1:48:52] Trustee Fast: Trustees are proposing that's moved and seconded

[1:48:55] Trustee Fast: that a total of 20 vehicle parking spaces be provided

[1:49:00] Trustee Fast: on site designed to the standards of Hornby Island

[1:49:02] Trustee Fast: land use by off 150 2014 is that correct okay so that's moved and seconded and

[1:49:10] Trustee Fast: any more discussion what

[1:49:13] Voice 15: I will have I have this whole deal is I think it has

[1:49:20] Voice 15: to be hopefully the next term whoever gets elected as my want is that we have

[1:49:25] Voice 15: to revisit or visit this whole downtown area because it's starting to grow and

[1:49:29] Voice 15: it's starting to we really have to be on it you know the parking people parking

[1:49:34] Voice 15: in the co-op parking lot that don't go to the co-op that don't, you know, but you can't

[1:49:38] Voice 15: monitor them. Pizza people park in the co-op parking lot instead of across the road. Campers

[1:49:42] Voice 15: park their campers at the end and go to the beach. So and so, you know, campsiters use

[1:49:47] Voice 15: our outhouses. I mean, you can't monitor all these people and it's complicated. So hopefully

[1:49:53] Voice 15: we'll put it on our work plan.

[1:49:56] Voice 2: Everyone knows that the co-op is doing a major renovation and rebuild. And part of that process

[1:50:04] Voice 2: and a big part of that process is town planning.

[1:50:07] Voice 2: We would like for Hornby Island to have a village center,

[1:50:11] Voice 2: a town center.

[1:50:13] Voice 2: This is an opportunity not just for the co-op,

[1:50:15] Voice 2: for the whole community to get on board with that process.

[1:50:19] Voice 2: It could be delightful.

[1:50:21] Voice 2: We could provide amenities to attract people

[1:50:24] Voice 2: to come downtown, not just to buy groceries or pizza,

[1:50:28] Voice 2: but to be there, to be there with their mates,

[1:50:30] Voice 2: and a magnet, a social magnet for the community.

[1:50:36] Voice 2: To make that happen, we need everybody to be on board,

[1:50:39] Voice 2: including Barrett & Company and John Laskin and Jeremy's Fish Market and the rest of it.

[1:50:45] Voice 2: But to do that, it has to be a quid pro quo.

[1:50:48] Voice 2: We need everybody to do their part, and that's the co-op's concern at this point.

[1:50:54] Voice 2: We're fully behind Baird's application for a temporary use permit.

[1:51:02] Voice 2: We just want to make sure that it's part of an overall vision and overall being fair.

[1:51:09] Trustee Fast: Planning sounds good.

[1:51:10] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Grant.

[1:51:13] Voice 22: Exactly.

[1:51:14] Voice 22: We all agree with you on that.

[1:51:16] Voice 22: Looking down at Tether down there, I'm not even sure how exactly we would go about doing that.

[1:51:22] Voice 22: I just

[1:51:22] Trustee Fast: wrote it down beside 10.1 as another.

[1:51:25] Trustee Fast: That's the next term.

[1:51:25] Trustee Fast: that's another thing to talk about at 10.1

[1:51:29] Voice 15: project list yeah okay yeah okay okay

[1:51:32] Trustee Fast: because uh i don't

[1:51:33] Trustee Fast: want to hold up the applications part and uh one second here um i just want to point to another

[1:51:41] Trustee Fast: part of your question was um looking at page 79 uh one of the other specifications of the permit

[1:51:48] Trustee Fast: is a minimum of one portable toilet shall be located on site and maintained in good order for

[1:51:54] Trustee Fast: the period of operation of the seasonal juice bar so if that doesn't happen then that's something

[1:51:58] Trustee Fast: that can be reported and uh but the expectation is they're clear in the permit okay did you want

[1:52:06] Trustee Fast: to speak to

[1:52:06] Voice 21: something sir if you could call ackerson i'm also on the board uh and um i

[1:52:13] Voice 21: recognize that we lack a civic structure that would allow for this kind of planning in a normal

[1:52:19] Voice 21: municipal sort of fashion so what are we left with I guess is the question and

[1:52:26] Voice 21: should it be driven by Islands Trust or HIRA or everybody all together or what

[1:52:34] Voice 21: but we've got to come to some solution as to how we can address it and it could

[1:52:41] Voice 21: involve a number of players including highways and parks and CBRD and whatnot

[1:52:48] Voice 21: not so I have no answers and but I think that's something that we all collectively have to come

[1:52:55] Voice 21: to some solution thank

[1:52:57] Trustee Fast: you well we're going to discuss that at 10.1 on our agenda in about

[1:53:02] Trustee Fast: probably an hour around that because we've got to take a little break to have some lunch but

[1:53:06] Trustee Fast: this does happen on other islands including Denman with their downtown and salt spring

[1:53:14] Trustee Fast: with Ganges village center they've got a big project that they've got significant

[1:53:20] Trustee Fast: funding through the islands trust to do because they've also got the sort of

[1:53:25] Trustee Fast: highway running through their downtown so good planning is a good idea back to

[1:53:31] Trustee Fast: this permit we've amended it with that one amendment any other discussion on

[1:53:38] Trustee Fast: On the motion that Grant Scott made for number one,

[1:53:41] Trustee Fast: which is on page 61.

[1:53:45] Voice 24: Chair, could we just make sure we have the motions

[1:53:48] Voice 24: in the right order, just that Catherine has them?

[1:53:52] Voice 24: I think we started with the original motion

[1:53:54] Voice 24: and then we made a discussion

[1:53:56] Voice 24: about the amendment,

[1:53:57] Voice 24: but I can't remember if we...

[1:54:00] Trustee Fast: What do you

[1:54:01] Trustee Fast: have there, Catherine?

[1:54:01] Trustee Fast: Do you have the amendment moved and seconded?

[1:54:04] Trustee Fast: I can't remember where we are either.

[1:54:06] Voice 28: We're number two.

[1:54:07] Voice 9: um

[1:54:07] Trustee Fast: i have the first

[1:54:08] Voice 9: motion is that the hornby island local trust may approve issuance of this

[1:54:14] Voice 9: permit condition e for temporary use two thank

[1:54:55] Trustee Fast: you then then then and have we voted on either

[1:54:59] Trustee Fast: of those yet he didn't actually

[1:55:03] Voice 9: carry the first week okay

[1:55:07] Trustee Fast: good all right

[1:55:08] Voice 9: thank you then i'm on

[1:55:09] Trustee Fast: the same ballpark great does

[1:55:13] Voice 22: this work so we just have one and it doesn't get to go you just take

[1:55:17] Voice 22: number one there and say that the hormonal trust can improve issuance of temporary use 2021

[1:55:27] Voice 22: as amended to include 20 vehicles rather than 40 as in the original application something like that

[1:55:35] Voice 22: so it's clear it's in one and it's

[1:55:37] Trustee Fast: we've already moved and seconded two motions yeah and what i'd

[1:55:42] Trustee Fast: like to do is vote first on the amendment from the 40 to the 20 parking spaces once that's passed

[1:55:50] Trustee Fast: then we've amended the permit and then we can okay so unless there's any more discussion about

[1:55:56] Trustee Fast: the number of parking spaces i'm going to ask uh i'm going to call a question on that one um to

[1:56:03] Trustee Fast: amend the permit from 40 parking spaces to 20 parking spaces as catherine just read so i see

[1:56:10] Trustee Fast: grants in favor i'll call the question all in favor that three hands went up catherine so that

[1:56:16] Trustee Fast: that amendment passes.

[1:56:19] Trustee Fast: And then I'm gonna go back to this recommendation one

[1:56:22] Trustee Fast: that you've moved already, Grant,

[1:56:25] Trustee Fast: that we approve the permit, the temporary use permit.

[1:56:29] Trustee Fast: And did I have a seconder?

[1:56:33] Trustee Fast: Catherine?

[1:56:38] Trustee Fast: Okay, then I'm gonna ask for a seconder.

[1:56:41] Trustee Fast: Okay, then Trustee Allen has seconded again.

[1:56:44] Trustee Fast: A second second.

[1:56:45] Trustee Fast: And then any more discussion

[1:56:48] Trustee Fast: on this temporary use permit for the juice bar?

[1:56:50] Trustee Fast: just

[1:56:50] Voice 24: that it should it should read as amended right

[1:56:53] Trustee Fast: so can you insert the words as amended

[1:56:57] Trustee Fast: to the motion i think that grant made originally right yeah

[1:57:00] Voice 22: yeah

[1:57:01] Trustee Fast: okay should

[1:57:03] Voice 22: i say the 20 vehicle

[1:57:04] Voice 22: system so that people reading it see it doesn't need it yeah

[1:57:08] Voice 24: but you amend it first and then

[1:57:10] Voice 24: do you want to

[1:57:13] Trustee Fast: read it out that number one and then what you can add is just to say

[1:57:16] Trustee Fast: I'll say as amended at the end.

[1:57:17] Trustee Fast: The

[1:57:18] Voice 22: Harmony Island Trust Committee approves

[1:57:20] Voice 22: issuance of temporary use permit HOTUP 2022.1

[1:57:27] Voice 22: as amended for a seasonal juice bar

[1:57:29] Voice 22: and outdoor seasonal vendor tables

[1:57:32] Voice 22: for a period of three years from the date of issuance

[1:57:35] Voice 22: to September 30th, 2025.

[1:57:37] Voice 22: Thank you.

[1:57:38] Trustee Fast: Second.

[1:57:39] Voice 22: Thank you.

[1:57:40] Trustee Fast: We got a motion moved and seconded.

[1:57:42] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[1:57:44] Trustee Fast: Okay, all in favor?

[1:57:45] Trustee Fast: one two three hands went up so that motion carries thank you for doing that

[1:57:50] Trustee Fast: again I think it's clear for the recording as well okay good all right so

[1:57:54] Trustee Fast: thank you that is carried thank you everybody for your contributions and

[1:58:00] Trustee Fast: we're gonna go on now to 9.2 this is the development variance permit starts on

[1:58:06] Trustee Fast: page 83 excuse

[1:58:09] Voice 15: me sure the number the recommended two and three we can just

[1:58:12] Voice 15: ignore them to move on or do we have to officially no just move on okay good thank you we're just

[1:58:19] Voice 15: moving

[1:58:19] Trustee Fast: on to page 83 and um sorry mad scrolling here oh slow down so this is a development

[1:58:36] Trustee Fast: variance permit um wall on anderson's drive uh and i'm going to turn it over again to

[1:58:43] Trustee Fast: to Regional Planning Manager Heather Cowher

[1:58:47] Trustee Fast: to present the report.

[1:58:49] Trustee Fast: Please go ahead.

[1:58:49] Trustee Fast: Yep,

[1:58:50] Voice 24: so this is a development variance permit

[1:58:52] Voice 24: at 6845 Anderson Drive.

[1:58:55] Voice 24: The purpose of the variance is to vary

[1:58:59] Voice 24: some existing structures.

[1:59:01] Voice 24: So to permit the following existing structures

[1:59:05] Voice 24: within the 15 meter setback

[1:59:07] Voice 24: to the natural boundary of the sea,

[1:59:09] Voice 24: a 137.7 square meter dwelling with 90.17 square meter deck and stairs and a 37.5 square meter

[1:59:21] Voice 24: cabin with 11.2 square meter deck also to permit the following existing structures within the three

[1:59:29] Voice 24: meter setback to the interior side lot line the same cabin so the cabin also needed a side lot

[1:59:36] Voice 24: lot line variance, and a covered walk within the setback to the interior side lot line,

[1:59:42] Voice 24: and then also to permit a lot coverage of 20.6%.

[1:59:47] Voice 24: Staff are recommending approval.

[1:59:50] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:59:51] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:59:51] Trustee Fast: And there's a bunch of reasons listed in the report and why it's in front of us, but basically to...

[2:00:00] Trustee Fast: catch up with what's existing and

[2:00:03] Trustee Fast: Having had it all checked and

[2:00:06] Trustee Fast: That kind of thing you can read the details in there. Did anybody have any questions for the planners looking at trustees?

[2:00:13] Voice 22: No,

[2:00:13] Trustee Fast: okay, then

[2:00:14] Voice 22: Normally

[2:00:18] Voice 22: looking at variance

[2:00:20] Voice 22: On height and things like that. We're pretty restrictive about it because you don't want to set precedent

[2:00:25] Voice 22: But this is from a long time ago

[2:00:26] Voice 22: go so this is just normalizing something already existed and it almost seems like

[2:00:30] Voice 22: the people have done everything they could so that's why it's not i don't see it as a normal

[2:00:35] Voice 22: kind of variance so that's why i think we should uh approve it you're

[2:00:40] Voice 5: gonna move the motion yeah

[2:00:41] Voice 22: i hope that i moved that the hornbeam trust committee approved issuance of ho dvp 2022.2

[2:00:52] Voice 22: Okay, thank you.

[2:00:54] Trustee Fast: I second.

[2:00:54] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:00:55] Trustee Fast: So we've got a motion moved and seconded as presented on page 83.

[2:01:00] Trustee Fast: Any discussion?

[2:01:02] Voice 15: Just as it's alluded, you know, the neighbors are happy with it all and, you know,

[2:01:06] Trustee Fast: it's

[2:01:07] Trustee Fast: all good.

[2:01:08] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:01:08] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[2:01:09] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:01:09] Trustee Fast: Then hearing no more discussion, I'm going to call the question.

[2:01:13] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[2:01:14] Trustee Fast: 1, 2, 3.

[2:01:15] Trustee Fast: Hands went up.

[2:01:16] Trustee Fast: Catherine, that motion passes unanimously.

[2:01:20] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:01:21] Trustee Fast: Okay. I heard your voice there, Catherine.

[2:01:26] Trustee Fast: Oh, yeah, I got that.

[2:01:27] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you. Good. Just checking that we still have the connectivity with our minute taker.

[2:01:31] Trustee Fast: Okay. On to page 113. And this is DVP. It's another development variance permit. And here we go. 113. Sorry. So please take it away, Heather.

[2:01:52] Trustee Fast: Okay,

[2:01:53] Voice 24: this is a development variance permit application at 975 Mount Road to permit the following existing structures within 0 meters,

[2:02:04] Voice 24: 30 meters setback to the wetland mapped in Schedule B of the OCP.

[2:02:08] Voice 24: So there's a cabin with decks, an outhouse, a greenhouse, storage and workshop, a water tank, a chicken coop, and a dwelling.

[2:02:19] Voice 24: Chicken coops are not allowed. And so the applicant has indicated that it will be converted to an alternate use.

[2:02:28] Voice 24: The permit would also allow the following existing structures within lot line setbacks.

[2:02:36] Voice 24: So the storage and workshop, the cabin, the water tank and the AmHouse also need lot line setbacks.

[2:02:43] Voice 24: Staff are recommending approval for reasons stated in this report that I can outline if you'd like.

[2:02:53] Trustee Fast: Would trustees like the planner to outline the reasons or have you read the...

[2:02:58] Voice 26: I've read it.

[2:02:59] Trustee Fast: You've read it. Okay. Other questions for the planner then? Trustees?

[2:03:04] Trustee Fast: So then I'm hearing perhaps that there's a motion to be made.

[2:03:08] Voice 22: There is.

[2:03:09] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[2:03:09] Trustee Fast: I

[2:03:10] Voice 22: move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of HODVP 2022.3.

[2:03:17] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Sorry, Trustee Allen has seconded the motion. Any more discussion?

[2:03:25] Voice 15: Yes.

[2:03:25] Voice 15: Go ahead.

[2:03:26] Voice 15: If elected, re-elected.

[2:03:30] Voice 10: I

[2:03:30] Voice 15: will allow chicken coops. No, I think I find it really funny the chicken coops because, you know, we all know there's lots of small lots with chickens and it's the roosters not the chickens.

[2:03:39] Voice 15: so we should revisit that

[2:03:40] Voice 15: in the new term. Hopefully

[2:03:42] Voice 15: whoever gets re-elected because

[2:03:44] Voice 15: it's a bit silly.

[2:03:45] Trustee Fast: Should I put down

[2:03:46] Trustee Fast: chickens beside 10.1?

[2:03:49] Voice 15: Chickens but not roosters.

[2:03:50] Trustee Fast: Chickens, no roosters.

[2:03:52] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:03:54] Trustee Fast: This is chicken.

[2:03:56] Voice 16: This is chicken.

[2:03:59] Voice 16: I don't want

[2:04:00] Trustee Fast: to hold up the process

[2:04:03] Trustee Fast: here. Any more discussion on this motion

[2:04:04] Trustee Fast: that's been moved and seconded for the development

[2:04:06] Trustee Fast: variance permit okay thank you before we all get punchy uh i'll call the question all those in

[2:04:12] Trustee Fast: favor three hands went up thank you that motion carries and now we're on to the big one so here

[2:04:18] Trustee Fast: we are with uh a development permit for 26 26 affordable housing units and i'm going to turn

[2:04:26] Trustee Fast: it over to the planner we're starting on page 138.

[2:04:32] Voice 24: all right so this is um a development permit for

[2:04:37] Voice 24: 5040 Central Road there would once if this sorry from it is issued there's

[2:04:47] Voice 24: also a setting and use permit that be associated with this development which

[2:04:52] Voice 24: would be the last permit needed in order to construct the applicant is seeking to

[2:04:58] Voice 24: develop the subject lands with approximately 2,000 square meters of new

[2:05:01] Voice 24: residential construction including 26 affordable rental units a community

[2:05:06] Voice 24: community common space, outdoor mending space, and habitat restoration.

[2:05:12] Voice 24: The purpose of this report is for the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee to consider approving issuance of Dillon Permit Application H.O.D.P. 2022.3,

[2:05:22] Voice 24: and staff is recommending issuance.

[2:05:25] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Very good. Okay, so questions or clarifications from the planner? Go ahead, Grant. Scott?

[2:05:31] Trustee Fast: up

[2:05:32] Voice 22: excuse me just that we we've discussed this many many times in past meetings i think we've

[2:05:39] Voice 22: covered all the bases and i think we should approve it and let's get on with that done

[2:05:44] Voice 22: so i am

[2:05:47] Voice 22: i'd like to move kind of make the motion sure go

[2:05:51] Voice 5: ahead that

[2:05:51] Voice 22: i want to be on

[2:05:53] Voice 22: local trust committee approve issues of development permit hodp 2022.3 thank you

[2:05:59] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Seconder.

[2:06:01] Trustee Fast: Okay. We've got a motion moved and seconded. And I would just like to ask a question of the planner. When I have seen these on different islands, I don't usually see this much detailed, careful planning. Is this extra and above?

[2:06:18] Trustee Fast: Absolutely,

[2:06:19] Voice 24: yeah. The documents that were submitted to us, most of them were not required as part of the application process.

[2:06:28] Voice 24: This applicant went above and beyond by providing as much detail as possible.

[2:06:33] Voice 24: And I think it demonstrates how far along they are in their process as well.

[2:06:38] Voice 24: It's my understanding that construction would be imminent once permits are issued.

[2:06:44] Trustee Fast: Okay,

[2:06:44] Voice 22: thank you. One last real thing.

[2:06:46] Voice 22: thing. I would very much like to thank

[2:06:51] Voice 22: Eula Creek Housing for all their

[2:06:54] Voice 22: diligence and work on this thing over 20 years and

[2:06:58] Voice 22: the fact that I think we can see not light at the end of the tunnel

[2:07:02] Voice 22: there's a blazing light. Thank you.

[2:07:06] I

[2:07:10] Trustee Fast: was hoping we would pass it first before we clap.

[2:07:14] Voice 10: Alright, I'm out of order again.

[2:07:16] Voice 15: One

[2:07:16] Trustee Fast: second here, just one second. I just want to

[2:07:19] Trustee Fast: see is there any more questions go ahead um

[2:07:22] Voice 15: well of course you know the person who donated the

[2:07:25] Voice 15: property and so it's been ongoing issue we're still getting you know emails in this regard

[2:07:29] Voice 15: so i'm just wondering i guess there's like wondering nothing okay how we can

[2:07:35] Voice 15: appease this

[2:07:37] Voice 15: person who's donated the land i

[2:07:39] Trustee Fast: think we just move ahead

[2:07:40] Voice 15: right we've

[2:07:41] Trustee Fast: got a motion moved and

[2:07:42] Trustee Fast: seconded

[2:07:43] Trustee Fast: are there any other questions or clarifications for the planner oh no then

[2:07:48] Trustee Fast: i'd like to call the

[2:07:49] Trustee Fast: question all those in favor

[2:07:51] Voice 16: for

[2:07:53] Trustee Fast: the minute taker I just want to make sure

[2:08:04] Trustee Fast: you heard that Catherine that all three hands went up in the motion passed

[2:08:08] Trustee Fast: unanimously okay okay good thank you and I want to I have this lady's been

[2:08:17] Trustee Fast: waiting to speak please go ahead

[2:08:18] Voice 28: Joe Harrison from the Island Housing

[2:08:22] Voice 28: society. I want to say I'll just pass that thank you on to everyone who's worked on this for so long.

[2:08:28] Voice 7: From

[2:08:29] Voice 28: the

[2:08:30] Voice 7: whole LTC. Yes. Thank you.

[2:08:33] Voice 7: My quick question was, what's the citing and use permit process, and how long is it?

[2:08:38] Trustee Fast: Well, that's a good question. Perhaps you could take that, Heather.

[2:08:41] Voice 24: Yeah, it's only staff, and that

[2:08:45] Voice 24: permit is drafted and ready to be issued. So staff, now that we have the development permit,

[2:08:51] Voice 24: you can issue that. So that'll be next week.

[2:08:59] Trustee Fast: Question at the back, go ahead.

[2:09:01] Trustee Fast: Sorry, just as an applicant, I just wanted

[2:09:03] Voice 7: to speak a little bit to

[2:09:04] Voice 7: the timeline that we are still working through funder approvals.

[2:09:06] Voice 7: So the troubles will be in the ground as soon as possible, but do

[2:09:10] Trustee Fast: you have a word for funding?

[2:09:11] Trustee Fast: Let's not get our expectations up so high.

[2:09:14] Voice 10: That's right.

[2:09:16] Trustee Fast: Yeah, that's right.

[2:09:18] Trustee Fast: Thank you very

[2:09:19] Voice 10: much for the clarification.

[2:09:20] Trustee Fast: yeah good and congratulations everybody I would like to call a lunch break

[2:09:25] Trustee Fast: because we've come to the end of the

[2:09:27] Trustee Fast: 15 minutes I think we're going down to

[2:09:33] Voice 10: we're

[2:09:34] Trustee Fast: at quarter to one which we're actually caught up because we're sort of

[2:09:40] Trustee Fast: then we can go back to half

[2:09:42] Trustee Fast: an hour because we're at 12.45 and we were going to break at 12.45

[2:09:51] Voice 7: Well,

[2:09:52] Trustee Fast: ideally we get them,

[2:09:53] Trustee Fast: but we'll see what happens.

[2:10:05] Voice 10: We're going

[2:10:06] Voice 4: to

[2:10:13] Trustee Fast: take a 30-minute

[2:10:14] Voice 4: break. Thanks, everybody.

[2:10:16] Trustee Fast: but I'm going to see if I can pause the recording.

[2:10:30] Trustee Fast: 244.

[2:10:31] Trustee Fast: Yeah, so we're reconvening after lunch break,

[2:10:34] Trustee Fast: and we're going to begin item 10.1 on page 244.

[2:10:39] Trustee Fast: So this is a chance for us to think about the road ahead and to receive the advice of our regional planning manager who's been seeing what we've been doing and hearing from the community as well as applicants and other planners.

[2:10:59] Trustee Fast: and give us her advice at this point in the term

[2:11:03] Trustee Fast: so we can set things up for the next local trust committee

[2:11:09] Trustee Fast: should they choose to take this path.

[2:11:11] Trustee Fast: So please take it away, Heather.

[2:11:14] Voice 24: So there's a few things going on with the staff report.

[2:11:18] Voice 24: So I'll try to take them one by one,

[2:11:20] Voice 24: but they're sort of interrelated too.

[2:11:22] Voice 24: So the recommendations have to do with your project lists,

[2:11:26] Voice 24: and there's also a recommendation for adopting the model strategy for antenna

[2:11:33] Voice 24: systems and I'll explain that and also I'm going to discuss the project card or business case for your OCP project so the first recommendation about the top

[2:11:45] Voice 24: priorities list essentially we're coming to you and saying this is an

[2:11:49] Voice 24: opportunity for you to decide which of the projects that are on your top

[2:11:52] Voice 24: priorities list and your projects list would you like to recommend that the

[2:11:56] Voice 24: the next trustees in the next term consider.

[2:12:01] Voice 24: And I've gone through each of your existing lists

[2:12:05] Voice 24: and made some recommendations around that.

[2:12:07] Voice 24: One of which you'll note is that one of the projects

[2:12:10] Voice 24: in your top priorities list has been this freshwater project.

[2:12:14] Voice 24: As I understand it, that project that was more

[2:12:17] Voice 24: and be specific has now been sort of absorbed

[2:12:19] Voice 24: into the trust wide freshwater project.

[2:12:23] Voice 24: And as such, I'm recommending that it be taken

[2:12:26] Voice 24: off your list just so that we're clear that it's not a very specific LTC

[2:12:31] Voice 24: project. I know William was hoping to have a report to you about it to just

[2:12:37] Voice 24: kind of update you on what's happening with Hornby specific information and I

[2:12:46] Voice 24: suspect that he would be able to do that in the next few meetings whenever that

[2:12:50] Voice 24: was but for now I'm recommending it be taken off the list. So the other thing

[2:12:54] Voice 24: that's kind of happening with the list is that um we're we're recommending that that when you put

[2:13:01] Voice 24: something on the project list that it have kind of a category of so that we have an idea of what

[2:13:08] Voice 24: you want the deliverable of that project to be um we've noticed that that some of the trust areas

[2:13:14] Voice 24: have projects that are sort of that aren't actually projects because they don't have an

[2:13:19] Voice 24: identified deliverable in

[2:13:20] Voice 28: them so

[2:13:21] Voice 24: um and what's also true is that a lot of the local trust areas

[2:13:27] Voice 24: have these projects lists where they've got five different projects that look like different

[2:13:32] Voice 24: projects but really all of them are ocp amendments and so you can kind of group them together under

[2:13:39] Voice 24: one category and then when you go to do a project that's an ocp amendment you can get you know do

[2:13:44] Voice 24: collect

[2:13:44] Voice 28: them all at

[2:13:45] Voice 24: once. So the recommended project list that I have for you assumes that

[2:13:52] Voice 24: there's a recategorization of projects that you already have and that's what that reflects.

[2:14:00] Voice 24: So I've recommended a top priorities list and I've recommended a projects list kind

[2:14:04] Voice 24: of based with those categories in it. So I'm looking at

[2:14:07] Trustee Fast: page 250 and that's the recommended

[2:14:11] Trustee Fast: top priorities list?

[2:14:14] Voice 24: That is. So that includes, so right now that includes your OCP, the project

[2:14:21] Voice 24: that you have underway currently, that's the OCP and LUB regarding your chosen topic areas

[2:14:27] Voice 24: of First Nations, short-term vacation rentals, housing, and riparian areas. So we do recommend

[2:14:33] Voice 24: that that continues. The second project that is still on your list is the one regarding

[2:14:39] Voice 24: the minimum average lot area and the reason that this is still on your

[2:14:43] Voice 24: projects list is that there is an OCP bylaw that is still being reviewed by the ministry.

[2:14:49] Voice 24: Once they're done, that will come back to you for adoption and then it will be off your list.

[2:14:55] Voice 24: Okay, I

[2:14:55] Trustee Fast: was wondering, I thought we've dealt with that but it has gone to the

[2:14:59] Trustee Fast: minister and the provincial staff have a long line up.

[2:15:04] Voice 24: Yes, they do.

[2:15:04] Trustee Fast: So

[2:15:05] Voice 24: that's the explanation of the top priorities list and the projects list identifies the next page.

[2:15:14] Trustee Fast: I'm

[2:15:15] Voice 22: lost, where are you guys?

[2:15:17] Trustee Fast: Page 250 was her recommended projects that she just described, 250.

[2:15:23] Voice 22: Hold on, two pages, alright.

[2:15:33] Voice 24: Okay,

[2:15:33] Voice 5: and then she's going on to the next page now.

[2:15:36] Voice 5: The

[2:15:37] Voice 24: 51, which is the recommended projects list.

[2:15:42] Voice 24: So I'm glad to answer any questions about those recommendations.

[2:15:45] Voice 24: I think in your earlier discussions,

[2:15:51] Voice 24: there may be some other projects that you'd want to add to the list.

[2:15:56] Trustee Fast: Okay, good.

[2:15:57] Trustee Fast: Questions or what do you think, Alex?

[2:16:00] Trustee Fast: Well,

[2:16:00] Voice 15: I don't want to.

[2:16:02] Trustee Fast: You're looking at page?

[2:16:03] Voice 15: I'm just looking at the first.

[2:16:05] Voice 15: Where is it?

[2:16:06] Voice 15: 250?

[2:16:07] Trustee Fast: table

[2:16:07] Voice 15: of remove, keep, refine, etc. That starts

[2:16:14] Voice 5: on page 245.

[2:16:18] Voice 15: I want the Ford Cove consultation,

[2:16:20] Voice 15: maybe we have to be more specific what's going on there, but you know as Karen brought up the

[2:16:23] Voice 15: scenario and you know it's the bus, the delivery trucks, it's just the whole thing down there is

[2:16:30] Voice 15: it's just a lag storm. So I would like to, maybe interceptionally I need to be more

[2:16:40] Voice 15: specific what exactly this is about. And it's sort of tied in with the whole downtown, not revitalization, but

[2:16:49] Voice 15: development. Planning?

[2:16:51] Voice 15: Plan and future. Downtown plan?

[2:16:53] Voice 15: Yeah. You want

[2:16:55] Voice 5: to call it a downtown?

[2:16:56] Voice 5: town?

[2:16:57] Voice 15: We kind of call it town center. We never call it town center.

[2:17:06] Voice 21: I thought four corners was a good idea, but it's specific to that one property, so maybe it has some connotations. Yeah, that's true. Town center is close for now.

[2:17:20] Voice 15: Yeah, something like that, but I'm sure we'll morph it to some definitions.

[2:17:27] Voice 15: There you go. Hey,

[2:17:29] Voice 22: you're going to stay on the wrong side.

[2:17:31] Voice 22: If you go too far, you could include the thatch area, you know, because that's a gong shore down there, too.

[2:17:39] Voice 22: We should wait until it gets old.

[2:17:40] Voice 15: But

[2:17:40] Voice 22: anyway, without getting it old.

[2:17:42] Voice 15: So yes, I would like this kept on, but whether it has to be...

[2:17:47] Voice 15: Do we want it?

[2:17:48] Voice 15: on the town, town center, town

[2:17:54] Trustee Fast: center planning.

[2:17:55] Voice 15: We'll call it something later. And then also

[2:17:58] Voice 15: the chickens.

[2:18:00] Trustee Fast: Well, before we get to the chickens, and can I go back to the Ford Cold Consultation?

[2:18:12] Trustee Fast: What I heard from our speaker was that safety, I have written down safety and danger and community bus.

[2:18:28] Voice 15: That's crazy.

[2:18:29] Voice 15: easy so

[2:18:29] Trustee Fast: if it's a safety issue then a project might be something like improve

[2:18:38] Trustee Fast: safety conditions on what is it the road or are we improving congestion for the

[2:18:45] Trustee Fast: bus to get through all

[2:18:46] Voice 22: the above go

[2:18:47] Voice 5: ahead

[2:18:48] Voice 22: problem with any solutions to

[2:18:50] Voice 22: Portugal it's not Islands Trust and it's got to do with highways it's got to do

[2:18:57] Voice 22: with the ministry of transport it's got to do with the dock and the so i i really don't know

[2:19:04] Voice 22: what we could do there i really do understand for for corners because there's no way down there you

[2:19:10] Voice 22: could at forest code we can expand the parking we made it a big issue when they put the restaurant

[2:19:15] Voice 22: in but it's still there's development so i mean i don't i don't know okay i

[2:19:21] Voice 22: don't know what we would

[2:19:22] Voice 22: what the deliverable would be on the Forge Gold Project.

[2:19:26] Voice 22: It

[2:19:26] Voice 24: could be, in both cases, it could be a neighborhood plan

[2:19:30] Voice 24: or a transportation plan.

[2:19:33] Voice 24: And both of those are things that could be included in your OCD.

[2:19:38] Voice 24: Neighborhood plans are...

[2:19:39] Voice 22: Okay,

[2:19:40] Voice 24: so just as an encouragement.

[2:19:42] Voice 22: I like

[2:19:43] Trustee Fast: this idea of a transportation plan

[2:19:45] Trustee Fast: because it also allows you to bring in what I heard about

[2:19:51] Trustee Fast: where would the bus stops be and more bus service but also walking trails and bicycles i don't know

[2:19:57] Trustee Fast: if we're getting electric bicycles i saw a lot of bicycles on the ferry but

[2:20:00] Voice 22: the point i'm trying to

[2:20:02] Voice 22: make is i don't want to get it mixed up with the village plan keep it separate so it's a different

[2:20:08] Voice 22: project or what you're talking about you get so clear and all

[2:20:12] Voice 22: these other things i agree we'll

[2:20:13] Voice 22: never get the

[2:20:14] Voice 21: hit yeah because this is actually a big deal to get all of these different groups

[2:20:19] Voice 21: together and actually come up with a plan just for that it's going to be sure exactly so okay

[2:20:28] Trustee Fast: hi Wendy welcome back go ahead trustee Allen yeah

[2:20:31] Voice 15: no I agree with Grant no these are obviously

[2:20:33] Voice 15: these are totally separate projects and um but we do as as land planning we do have a say down

[2:20:40] Voice 15: in Forrest Cove we do have you know in terms of parking is our business you know but we have to

[2:20:45] Voice 15: work with other agencies all the same that'll be the same thing with downtown

[2:20:48] Voice 15: or me too because highways owns a lot of the roads even like the worry part of

[2:20:53] Voice 15: the truck is highways you know this so I'm not an agreement just think you have

[2:20:59] Voice 15: two separate things do you

[2:21:00] Trustee Fast: want to call it a neighborhood transportation form

[2:21:04] Voice 15: for Ford Cove yes yeah would

[2:21:06] Trustee Fast: that be a way to describe it because you're

[2:21:09] Trustee Fast: talking about getting people what

[2:21:10] Voice 15: is it even like somebody people that like to

[2:21:14] Voice 15: Park in that corner. I can't believe how many people just park in this little corner there, you know

[2:21:19] Voice 15: You know that right just like that one spot right next to the mailbox isn't it's just like this ridiculous

[2:21:24] Voice 15: So should be transportation and parking. Yeah

[2:21:26] Voice 15: But that's that's part of the transportation.

[2:21:29] Trustee Fast: Is it is it about safety? Yes,

[2:21:31] Voice 15: it's about safety

[2:21:32] Trustee Fast: So maybe we should call it a safety plan and make it clear

[2:21:35] Voice 15: It's not just safety

[2:21:38] Trustee Fast: We

[2:21:38] Voice 15: just have transportation and non-neighborhood plan let's just have that

[2:21:45] Trustee Fast: Transportation neighborhood

[2:21:46] Trustee Fast: plan for full school?

[2:21:48] Trustee Fast: Mm-hmm.

[2:21:48] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:21:49] Voice 22: It's got more to do with transportation, too.

[2:21:52] Voice 22: Neighborhood plan.

[2:21:53] Voice 22: It's just a, just call it a Ford's Cove neighborhood.

[2:21:58] Voice 22: Safety's one thing.

[2:22:01] Voice 22: Convenience isn't necessarily just,

[2:22:04] Voice 22: there's so many things going on down there, right?

[2:22:06] Voice 22: People going down there, there's the beach,

[2:22:07] Voice 22: there's the Aspergers, there's the game down there.

[2:22:09] Voice 22: So just call it.

[2:22:10] Voice 15: Why can't we have transportation?

[2:22:12] Voice 15: What's wrong with that?

[2:22:13] Voice 15: All

[2:22:13] Voice 22: the things you just said still could go under.

[2:22:15] Voice 22: I didn't put down transportation, I just said there's more to it.

[2:22:20] Voice 22: When you isolate transportation in the title, it's going to focus on transportation.

[2:22:25] Voice 22: There's also neighborhood and transportation plan.

[2:22:27] Voice 22: All right.

[2:22:28] Voice 22: So I think

[2:22:29] Voice 5: the title you've got down there now,

[2:22:33] Trustee Fast: if you're keeping notes,

[2:22:36] Trustee Fast: Catherine, are you able to follow this?

[2:22:39] Voice 15: Yeah, if you are, can you catch up for us?

[2:22:42] Trustee Fast: Hang on.

[2:22:47] Voice 9: I think that's where we're at so far.

[2:22:53] Voice 21: So if

[2:22:54] Voice 21: you're

[2:22:56] Trustee Fast: making a motion that this be kept on the projects list?

[2:23:09] Voice 15: The reason why I'm assuming that Heather had it on the list because it was kind of vague and it wasn't a specific deliverable, it wasn't in that. Now I think it's more of a deliverable by having a new title.

[2:23:20] Trustee Fast: Okay. I don't think there's consensus on the title.

[2:23:26] Voice 7: Yes there is.

[2:23:27] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:23:27] Trustee Fast: So then, by consent, is that the title of this new project? The new title of this project?

[2:23:37] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:23:37] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Catherine. Progress.

[2:23:42] Voice 9: Is that a

[2:23:43] Voice 9: motion? Is that in relation with...

[2:23:53] Voice 9: Yes.

[2:23:56] Voice 9: Not

[2:23:56] Voice 22: neighborhood transportation. Neighborhood and transportation.

[2:24:00] Voice 15: Yeah, neighborhood and transportation plan.

[2:24:05] Voice 15: Yeah, very

[2:24:05] Trustee Fast: good. And do I have a motion to replace that? Thank you, Grant Scott. And do I have a

[2:24:11] Trustee Fast: seconder? Thank you. Okay,

[2:24:13] Voice 25: I'll look at

[2:24:14] Trustee Fast: you first. I move it. Thank you. Alex Allen has moved that

[2:24:17] Trustee Fast: motion. I

[2:24:17] Voice 22: already did that to Jack, you're right. Yes,

[2:24:19] Voice 14: I seconded it.

[2:24:20] Trustee Fast: Okay, Grant has seconded the

[2:24:22] Trustee Fast: motion. And this is turning into Comedy Central here. Okay,

[2:24:26] Trustee Fast: any more discussion? Because the

[2:24:28] Trustee Fast: motion is to replace the former project with this new title right yeah okay and uh is that going to

[2:24:36] Trustee Fast: be helpful yes and

[2:24:38] Trustee Fast: i would say

[2:24:38] Voice 24: we're going to categorize that as an ocp project right so that

[2:24:42] Trustee Fast: would fit with you ocp project once it's in there that allows it to proceed as as things change i'm

[2:24:50] Trustee Fast: uh i'm seeing somebody in the audience want to say something go

[2:24:53] Voice 16: ahead uh i think this is separate

[2:24:56] Voice 16: than an OCP plan. This is some kind of bringing the neighbours together to

[2:25:03] Voice 16: enforce a safety issue, so it's not a delay that can wait for OCP revisions

[2:25:08] Voice 16: and that kind of thing. This is an immediate project.

[2:25:13] Trustee Fast: And that immediate

[2:25:15] Trustee Fast: project could feed into revisions to the OCP down the line, right?

[2:25:20] Voice 16: But not be

[2:25:20] Trustee Fast: be delayed

[2:25:21] Trustee Fast: by that yeah

[2:25:22] Voice 24: i mean um we're going to assume that that those kinds of engagements are

[2:25:28] Voice 24: going to inform a project like this but this these lists are specifically projects that an ltc can do

[2:25:36] Voice 24: and that they're in charge of i mean their primary kind of core function is the ocp and

[2:25:43] Voice 24: lub it's not it's not it's not public engagement for the sake of public engagement even when it

[2:25:50] Voice 24: has to do that like and that's kind of our point with the staff report is that the deliverable has

[2:25:56] Voice 24: to be something that they are mandated to do and work on and and that's why it's and that's why i'm

[2:26:02] Voice 24: saying it's an the deliverable would be an ocp project um because that's the projects they do

[2:26:09] Voice 24: but there's nothing saying that that kind of consultation process couldn't start and feed

[2:26:15] Voice 24: into that project okay yeah okay good

[2:26:19] Trustee Fast: so any more discussion then i'm going to pause the question

[2:26:22] Trustee Fast: on this particular one i just want to call the question that we've changed the title

[2:26:26] Trustee Fast: and it's going to be an ocp one all in favor that passes unanimously thank you catherine

[2:26:31] Voice 15: and and

[2:26:32] Trustee Fast: what's next the

[2:26:34] Voice 15: downtown development plan yeah

[2:26:36] Trustee Fast: we're calling it different things

[2:26:37] Trustee Fast: downtown development sounds very scary very downtown

[2:26:40] Trustee Fast: vancouver i'm wondering i've heard

[2:26:42] Trustee Fast: I've heard things like town centers.

[2:26:44] Trustee Fast: I've heard village center planning. I've heard, or village center plan.

[2:26:50] Voice 19: Four Corners. Four Corners. We all know that.

[2:26:56] Voice 19: That's

[2:26:57] Trustee Fast: what we want it to be understood. Okay, so I'm hearing from the gallery that we've got...

[2:27:02] Voice 21: Lots of people are...

[2:27:03] Voice 21: No,

[2:27:05] Trustee Fast: no, the public

[2:27:07] Voice 21: gallery.

[2:27:08] Voice 21: F-O-R-N-E.

[2:27:12] Trustee Fast: Oh, let's let's let's confuse things even more. Okay. Four corners is yes. Four corners plan.

[2:27:22] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Or do we want to call it four corners slash village plan? No, no.

[2:27:30] Voice 15: Okay. Okay. And

[2:27:32] Trustee Fast: do you want to call it? Do you want to have something in the title that says why you're

[2:27:37] Trustee Fast: doing it.

[2:27:39] Voice 15: Development pattern plan? Visionary plan. How about area planning? Vision's good.

[2:27:44] Voice 21: Or

[2:27:45] Trustee Fast: do you want to call it, it's not really a neighborhood is it?

[2:27:48] Voice 21: No. But how about area

[2:27:49] Voice 21: planning? Area plan?

[2:27:51] Voice 21: Four corners area

[2:27:53] Voice 15: plan? Yeah.

[2:27:58] Voice 15: That sounds like it

[2:28:00] Trustee Fast: works. And is that going to

[2:28:04] Trustee Fast: help you over there uh heather cover yeah

[2:28:07] Voice 24: i i think we can make that work um the reason we use

[2:28:10] Voice 24: the term neighborhood plan is because i believe it has it i think in the legislation it has a

[2:28:15] Voice 24: specific meaning and it is something where it looks at a smaller portion of your community

[2:28:21] Voice 24: and you're looking at all the aspects of it so you're looking at

[2:28:23] Voice 24: land use and transportation and

[2:28:26] Voice 24: utilities and water and sewer and all those kinds of things but neighborhood plan has a specific

[2:28:31] Voice 24: like legislated context that's why we use that can

[2:28:35] Voice 15: we say four corners of neighborhood okay

[2:28:42] Trustee Fast: it's not really a neighborhood go ahead yeah

[2:28:44] Voice 21: i was just going to say um it's going to involve

[2:28:46] Voice 21: parks i mean that's kind of beyond the neighborhood um and it's certainly properties so

[2:28:54] Voice 21: um well

[2:28:55] Trustee Fast: it could still work

[2:28:56] Voice 21: in my limited

[2:28:57] Trustee Fast: experience and and heather can correct me but

[2:28:59] Trustee Fast: But a whole giant chunk of Bowen Island that had, you know, 640 acres and was proposed for over 200 dwellings and all this kind of stuff, tons of stuff, was

[2:29:15] Trustee Fast: also called the neighborhood plan because it was part, it was a section of the island.

[2:29:21] Trustee Fast: Literally a section.

[2:29:23] Trustee Fast: Yeah, that's right.

[2:29:24] Trustee Fast: And I thought that was funny at the time, too.

[2:29:27] Trustee Fast: Nobody else knew that.

[2:29:28] Trustee Fast: But I'm wondering if we could call it a four corners area slash neighborhood plan.

[2:29:34] Voice 22: Sure.

[2:29:35] Voice 22: No.

[2:29:36] Trustee Fast: No?

[2:29:36] Trustee Fast: Okay, what's your idea?

[2:29:38] Trustee Fast: Four

[2:29:38] Voice 22: corners neighborhood plan.

[2:29:40] Voice 22: Okay.

[2:29:41] Voice 22: Because what that means is you look at the four corners, but you're obviously looking at all the things that affect that four corners, which is parks.

[2:29:50] Voice 22: So I think just keep the title simple.

[2:29:53] Voice 22: Don't.

[2:29:54] Voice 22: I agree.

[2:29:55] Voice 22: Okay.

[2:29:55] Voice 22: Okay,

[2:29:56] Trustee Fast: I'm just, I'm facilitating here, so this is good.

[2:30:00] Trustee Fast: So I'm hearing a motion to call it the Four

[2:30:02] Voice 22: Corners Neighborhood Plan.

[2:30:05] Voice 22: Did

[2:30:05] Trustee Fast: you catch that, Catherine?

[2:30:09] Voice 9: That the HOLQC, the Four Corners Neighborhood Plan.

[2:30:16] Trustee Fast: I think that's correct, right?

[2:30:17] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[2:30:17] Trustee Fast: Yeah?

[2:30:18] Trustee Fast: Yes, that's right.

[2:30:19] Trustee Fast: Do I have a seconder?

[2:30:20] Voice 15: Second.

[2:30:20] Trustee Fast: And Alex Elliman has seconded that.

[2:30:22] Voice 15: Are you sure you don't want to let Alex?

[2:30:24] Trustee Fast: And I just want to ask Heather what category you would put that into.

[2:30:29] Trustee Fast: I would

[2:30:29] Voice 24: put it in an OCP project.

[2:30:30] Trustee Fast: Yeah, because it's another one of those how does everything work together kind of projects.

[2:30:34] Trustee Fast: and it would it could affect zoning which would be the land use bylaw falls

[2:30:41] Trustee Fast: from OCP okay good so then any more conversation about this project being

[2:30:48] Trustee Fast: added I'm going to call the question all those in favor one two three hands went

[2:30:52] Trustee Fast: up Catherine thank you okay what's

[2:30:55] Voice 21: next please go ahead

[2:30:59] Voice 21: Just from the perspective of the co-op, the redevelopment process is at the very infancy but it will pick up and it's not going to take forever and I really think it should be part of that so I think there should be some effort to expedite this and along with parks and try to get everybody involved because now parks is a player and they're going to have all kinds of ideas.

[2:31:26] Trustee Fast: provincial parks yeah yeah

[2:31:28] Voice 21: just making

[2:31:32] Trustee Fast: sure all

[2:31:33] Voice 21: I'm saying is it's important

[2:31:37] Voice 21: that it be ahead

[2:31:41] Trustee Fast: ahead of some of the other projects yes yeah gotcha okay

[2:31:45] Trustee Fast: well we've got some priorities up there on page 250 right now one of them could

[2:31:55] Trustee Fast: could be, as soon as we hear back from the minister,

[2:31:59] Trustee Fast: the next LTC, assuming it doesn't even happen

[2:32:03] Trustee Fast: quicker than that, could take that off the list,

[2:32:06] Trustee Fast: but I think the idea is, how many top priorities

[2:32:08] Trustee Fast: do you have at a time, right?

[2:32:12] Trustee Fast: And, one?

[2:32:13] Trustee Fast: I

[2:32:13] Voice 15: thought we had three.

[2:32:14] Trustee Fast: I thought we just changed that at this council.

[2:32:17] Trustee Fast: We haven't yet.

[2:32:18] Voice 24: Ah.

[2:32:19] Voice 24: We haven't yet, but it's still under consideration.

[2:32:21] Voice 24: Right now there's an identified three, so.

[2:32:24] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:32:24] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:32:25] Voice 24: May I speak to that again?

[2:32:26] Trustee Fast: Well, I think we got your point. Just a second. Let me see if we did. So what is your proposal? Did you suggest that we move it up to the top priorities list?

[2:32:35] Voice 22: Sounds like it. That's what I heard people saying. If we brought two, we could add three.

[2:32:39] Voice 22: Do we have

[2:32:40] Voice 15: to do the list in order, like in the terms of top priorities? So have the...

[2:32:45] Trustee Fast: No, you can... So

[2:32:46] Voice 15: we just added it,

[2:32:48] Trustee Fast: added the project.

[2:32:49] Trustee Fast: Okay,

[2:32:49] Voice 15: yes, I move that the Four Corners neighborhood plan

[2:32:53] Voice 15: be added to number one of the projects list.

[2:32:57] Voice 24: Well, you've got a project underway, which is your

[2:32:59] Voice 24: OCP project. If you want to, no, on the projects list, there's not a, there's not a numbering system.

[2:33:06] Voice 15: Yeah, so we just move that we add it.

[2:33:07] Voice 15: Okay, so it is number three.

[2:33:09] Voice 15: I just move that we add it.

[2:33:10] Trustee Fast: Add it to the top priorities list?

[2:33:12] Voice 15: Yeah, and

[2:33:12] Voice 15: then the new trustee's going to make a decision, whatever.

[2:33:14] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:33:16] Trustee Fast: So we have a motion there, Catherine, to add the new project, which is the Four Corners Neighborhood Plan, to the top priorities list.

[2:33:28] Trustee Fast: And that was moved by Alex Allen, seconded by Grant Scott.

[2:33:33] Trustee Fast: And any more discussion about that?

[2:33:36] Trustee Fast: Then I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[2:33:39] Trustee Fast: One, two, three hands went up.

[2:33:41] Trustee Fast: So that's added to the top priorities list.

[2:33:43] Trustee Fast: very good and is that what you were gonna say yes

[2:33:47] Voice 21: I don't need to say okay

[2:33:48] Voice 21: all

[2:33:49] Trustee Fast: right good thank you I thought we might okay what's next

[2:33:53] Trustee Fast: will Ford scope be added to the top priority list as well I didn't hear that

[2:33:58] Trustee Fast: from anybody yeah

[2:33:59] Voice 15: I'm just gonna do that

[2:33:59] Voice 15: okay I

[2:34:01] Trustee Fast: don't think we can load up the

[2:34:05] Trustee Fast: top priorities list with too many things one

[2:34:07] Voice 15: of them is as we say it's just it's

[2:34:09] Voice 15: an acute waiting for just approval so it'll go away at some point right then

[2:34:13] Voice 5: you can add a new

[2:34:14] Voice 5: one right all

[2:34:17] Voice 22: right okay excuse me ford's cove is going to be incredibly difficult so

[2:34:25] Voice 5: i'm not hearing

[2:34:26] Voice 5: a lot of support

[2:34:26] Voice 22: for adding right away

[2:34:27] Voice 22: as much as i know it's important garth would get i really

[2:34:33] Voice 22: think we need to focus your the issue of how to get the bus turned around down there somewhere

[2:34:38] Voice 22: somewhere else other than this. I just don't know how that, I just don't know how that...

[2:34:42] Voice 16: It's not just about the bus. It's about

[2:34:45] Voice 22: someone's going to get killed.

[2:34:46] Voice 16: That people walk down the main street, there's a blind corner.

[2:34:50] Voice 16: Yeah, we know Hope Park. We know that.

[2:34:52] Voice 16: Okay, super dangerous, and it's

[2:34:53] Trustee Fast: land use planning.

[2:34:55] Trustee Fast: The trouble is, it's...

[2:34:57] Voice 22: It's not land use planning.

[2:35:00] Trustee Fast: It's Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, and we...

[2:35:05] Voice 16: we only do it if they're asked to do it and all i'm suggesting is that the trustees

[2:35:10] Voice 16: say to the ministry of transportation we will not allow one of our citizens to

[2:35:15] Voice 16: be run over

[2:35:15] Voice 16: that's

[2:35:16] Voice 22: an advocacy thing maybe

[2:35:18] Voice 16: that's what it is but it is landing's plan the recommended

[2:35:22] Voice 22: on the fairies why don't we do that that's the kind of thing that's going to get some action

[2:35:32] Voice 22: Okay,

[2:35:33] Trustee Fast: folks, I'm going to call a meeting back to order, and this is great discussion.

[2:35:39] Trustee Fast: Thanks to everybody for participating.

[2:35:41] Trustee Fast: I'm sorry, I just had two things going on at the same time, and I've lost my place.

[2:35:45] Trustee Fast: We were thinking about what were we going to deal with next.

[2:35:49] Trustee Fast: We have the recommended projects list.

[2:35:52] Trustee Fast: We've added something to the top priorities.

[2:35:54] Trustee Fast: So we've got three top priorities now, and we're only supposed to have three.

[2:36:01] Trustee Fast: And we've got a recommended LTC projects list here on page 251,

[2:36:06] Trustee Fast: and we've already added the Ford Cove Neighborhood Transportation Plan, whatever it was.

[2:36:12] Voice 15: Can you tell me what page our actual projects list, our current project list for pages?

[2:36:18] Voice 15: Projects are lost in this thing.

[2:36:20] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:36:21] Voice 15: I'm on

[2:36:22] Voice 15: page 250.

[2:36:23] Voice 22: No.

[2:36:25] Voice 22: No, I just want to see our original.

[2:36:26] Voice 22: 245.

[2:36:27] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:36:28] Trustee Fast: We shouldn't find it.

[2:36:30] Trustee Fast: The current projects list with the planners' suggestions starts on page 245.

[2:36:38] Voice 22: So we've just modified number one, as I understand.

[2:36:40] Voice 22: Is that right, Heather?

[2:36:41] Trustee Fast: No, we didn't do anything to number one yet.

[2:36:44] Voice 24: No, it's on the Forge Club consultation right now.

[2:36:49] Trustee Fast: Oh, I see.

[2:36:49] Trustee Fast: The other number one?

[2:36:51] Voice 24: That's the first one listed in the projects list.

[2:36:53] Trustee Fast: Projects list.

[2:36:54] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:36:54] Trustee Fast: page. We're in the little table at the bottom of the page on 245. Yeah.

[2:36:58] Voice 15: Okay. That's not what I'm

[2:37:00] Voice 15: asking. It's number two.

[2:37:02] Trustee Fast: Hang on. I want to just make sure

[2:37:04] Voice 15: we're on the same page. What's the

[2:37:07] Voice 15: current projects list? Not the recommended. Nothing to do with this particular report.

[2:37:10] Voice 15: Where's the actual one that says projects

[2:37:12] Trustee Fast: list? That is the progress. It's the same. It's the

[2:37:16] Trustee Fast: same as the one on 338. If you wanted to go way down, you want to see something. Okay. Then it

[2:37:22] Trustee Fast: looks familiar and you yeah you got a place well

[2:37:25] Voice 15: we've got like over we've got over five here yes

[2:37:28] Trustee Fast: we can't

[2:37:29] Voice 15: have three sorry

[2:37:30] Trustee Fast: but the top priorities are the ones you're actually working on and that

[2:37:34] Trustee Fast: have budget attached

[2:37:34] Trustee Fast: to them and staff time working on and those were supposed to limit it to

[2:37:39] Trustee Fast: three so

[2:37:40] Voice 24: that's top priorities but the projects list it's

[2:37:43] Trustee Fast: sort of like the parking lot okay so

[2:37:45] Voice 15: Okay, so I do want the Forest Code NTP to be added to the projects list.

[2:37:52] Voice 5: We did that. We did it already.

[2:37:55] Voice 5: Oh, so what's...

[2:37:57] Voice 15: We added it to the projects

[2:37:59] Voice 15: list, not the top priorities list.

[2:38:01] Trustee Fast: I want it

[2:38:01] Voice 15: on the top priorities list.

[2:38:02] Trustee Fast: Well, we have three things on the top priorities list already.

[2:38:06] Trustee Fast: So

[2:38:07] Voice 15: does that mean you need to pay more?

[2:38:08] Voice 15: One will be coming off eventually because it's sitting on a ministry's desk right now.

[2:38:14] Trustee Fast: Do you want to add a note to the

[2:38:17] Trustee Fast: upcoming, well, it's a policy

[2:38:22] Voice 15: of, I just think it says to the community that we've got it on our radar and it's going to, we may not be able to get it done but at least, you know, let's try and deal with it because as Karen says it is, it's dangerous, it's a safety issue over and above everything else and it is something that we can deal with.

[2:38:41] Voice 15: Go ahead Heather.

[2:38:43] Voice 24: So what I heard with some of the conversation was that what might be an immediate action that the L2C could take is to write an advocacy letter to MOTI about that.

[2:38:55] Voice 24: So that could be something that you do initially. A larger plan might be appropriate for the projects list. The top priorities list is limited to three projects.

[2:39:06] Voice 24: but

[2:39:07] Trustee Fast: any one of us could move a motion to that the chair write a letter something

[2:39:15] Trustee Fast: like that what staff write a letter whatever go ahead grant can

[2:39:22] Voice 22: you hear

[2:39:26] Trustee Fast: that Catherine let

[2:39:28] Voice 22: me just say it without okay crazy exactly that what I

[2:39:32] Voice 22: think we should do is we should write a letter to the Ministry of Transport and

[2:39:37] Voice 22: And I think we should do it in collaboration with, give it more clout, with I see, I don't know who, for both, so that it takes on more than just to trust sending an advocacy letter, that we write it in collaboration with you guys and that we send that to the Minister of Transport for all the safety reasons and the reasons going on down there.

[2:40:02] Voice 22: see

[2:40:03] Voice 16: I guess why I was thinking that it needed some planners help around it is

[2:40:08] Voice 16: myself I might say I think we should fill some foreshore and get a walkway

[2:40:13] Voice 16: that's not down the middle of the road along the edge of the water now that's

[2:40:18] Voice 16: clearly not an

[2:40:19] Voice 16: easy task I might say I think we should expand the road and do

[2:40:24] Voice 16: something so you know there's we

[2:40:27] Trustee Fast: need some professional advice would be how

[2:40:29] Voice 16: that's where i'm going right yes so

[2:40:31] Trustee Fast: how about if one of the trustees would like to say something

[2:40:34] Trustee Fast: like uh uh that the hornby local trust committee um requests staff to draft a letter for the chair's

[2:40:42] Trustee Fast: signature uh encouraging moti uh to um address safety issues on the road near and at ford's

[2:41:05] Voice 8: I wonder

[2:41:06] Voice 24: if you could go as far as to encourage them to initiate a planning process.

[2:41:13] Voice 24: The MOTI or the regional district could do those planning processes just as easily, maybe

[2:41:19] Voice 24: more easily and more quickly than others just might be able to.

[2:41:23] Trustee Fast: to initiate a planning process to address safety and transportation concerns?

[2:41:30] Voice 12: Yes.

[2:41:31] Voice 12: Like that?

[2:41:32] Trustee Fast: That's very nice.

[2:41:33] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:41:33] Trustee Fast: Good.

[2:41:34] Trustee Fast: Do I have a mover?

[2:41:35] Voice 14: Can I ask one thing on that?

[2:41:37] Voice 14: Sure.

[2:41:39] Voice 14: Would that include Department of Fisheries?

[2:41:44] Voice 14: Fisheries.

[2:41:45] Voice 14: In case it's encroaching on...

[2:41:49] Voice 21: As soon as you get into foreshore, you're going to get the federal government involved.

[2:41:53] Voice 21: What

[2:41:53] Voice 12: I mean is, would that letter include something to them so that they're warned, or would that be stupid?

[2:42:04] Trustee Fast: I think these

[2:42:06] Trustee Fast: are good questions, and this is why we're going to ask staff to draft it.

[2:42:10] Trustee Fast: Because they'll make it as clear and doable as is required without making it blossom into something that doesn't need to happen.

[2:42:23] Voice 14: Go ahead.

[2:42:25] Trustee Fast: Sound good? Yeah.

[2:42:26] Voice 24: I mean, I assume a planning process, even if it's initiated by MRTI, would include

[2:42:31] Voice 11: some

[2:42:32] Voice 24: kind of communication with DFO, but the letter is, I think the letter, as I'm hearing it, is addressed to MRTI because they are the owners of the roadways and

[2:42:42] Voice 29: the transportation system.

[2:42:45] Voice 24: So that's how I'm saying, you know, you're asking them to do a planning process, and they would include DFO probably in that planning process.

[2:42:53] Voice 24: yes okay

[2:42:54] Trustee Fast: so did you get that uh draft motion

[2:42:58] Voice 9: catherine um i'm a bit confused because i have

[2:43:02] Voice 9: um two separate motions i have i have your original motion which was ignore that one

[2:43:11] Voice 9: but the request to the ministry of transportation and highways but the second motion i have is that

[2:43:16] Voice 9: the H-O-L-T-C requests staff to initiate a planning process

[2:43:21] Voice 9: to address...

[2:43:22] Voice 9: Oh,

[2:43:24] Trustee Fast: here's what it should be.

[2:43:25] Trustee Fast: That the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[2:43:28] Trustee Fast: requests staff to draft a letter

[2:43:31] Trustee Fast: to the Ministry of Transportation

[2:43:36] Trustee Fast: requesting them to initiate a planning process

[2:43:40] Trustee Fast: to address

[2:43:42] Voice 22: safety

[2:43:44] Trustee Fast: and...

[2:43:45] Voice 22: Serious safety concerns.

[2:43:47] Voice 22: concerns serious serious

[2:43:48] Trustee Fast: safety and transportation concerns yeah okay imports in

[2:43:57] Voice 22: ford's cove yeah

[2:43:59] Trustee Fast: in the near ford's cove so

[2:44:01] Voice 22: do we get to see that letter before it goes out who saw it I would

[2:44:04] Trustee Fast: get

[2:44:04] Voice 22: to see it I can

[2:44:07] Trustee Fast: circulate it if you want I'd like that okay and uh thank you Catherine so

[2:44:12] Trustee Fast: we've got a motion do you want me to make that motion or somebody else here going to make that

[2:44:15] Trustee Fast: Okay, I made the motion. Do I

[2:44:18] Trustee Fast: have a seconder? Thank you, Grant. Thank you, Alex. And thank you, everybody. And so with that, does any more discussion? All those in favor? Okay, thank you. Very good. I'm glad I could help make a little contribution.

[2:44:36] Trustee Fast: okay so now that's um that's that one did you have any other changes and

[2:44:42] Trustee Fast: things you want to do I'm gonna go to trustee yes

[2:44:47] Voice 15: I wonder if you remember

[2:44:52] Voice 15: them yeah she comes so is it a matter of just having a staff review so it's a

[2:44:59] Voice 15: a matter of saying to amend the land

[2:45:05] Voice 15: use bylaw?

[2:45:06] Voice 15: Yeah, amend the land use bylaw regarding chickens and small

[2:45:11] Voice 15: law presentation.

[2:45:12] Voice 24: So you're adding, I would hear that as adding a project to

[2:45:18] Voice 24: the project list that would amend the land use bylaw

[2:45:20] Voice 24: to consider allowing

[2:45:22] Trustee Fast: chickens but not roosters

[2:45:26] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[2:45:28] Trustee Fast: Everywhere?

[2:45:28] Voice 25: Yeah, no.

[2:45:29] Voice 25: Just chickens but not roosters.

[2:45:30] Voice 25: No.

[2:45:31] Voice 25: Chickens

[2:45:31] Trustee Fast: but not roosters everywhere.

[2:45:32] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:45:33] Trustee Fast: So do you want to run this?

[2:45:35] Voice 22: What did you hear?

[2:45:36] Voice 22: No, hold it.

[2:45:36] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:45:37] Trustee Fast: If

[2:45:37] Voice 22: somebody on 20 Acres wants to have a chicken coop with roosters in it, who cares?

[2:45:42] Voice 22: It's the small lots where you've got your next door neighbor that woke up from the roosters

[2:45:45] Voice 22: and they're doing their top of the coop.

[2:45:47] Voice 22: So

[2:45:48] Trustee Fast: it's where chickens are not currently allowed.

[2:45:50] Trustee Fast: Is that what you mean?

[2:45:52] Voice 22: This is chicken shit, this question.

[2:45:54] Voice 22: No, no, it's

[2:45:56] Voice 8: basically,

[2:45:57] Voice 15: our OCD says

[2:45:59] Voice 15: that it's illegal to have chickens in a small lot, which is ridiculous.

[2:46:05] Voice 15: Oh, it says you're not allowed to have

[2:46:06] Voice 22: them at all.

[2:46:06] Voice 15: How

[2:46:07] Trustee Fast: significant is this problem?

[2:46:08] Voice 15: We just don't want the roosters.

[2:46:10] Voice 25: We have

[2:46:10] Voice 22: chickens, no roosters.

[2:46:12] Voice 22: How

[2:46:12] Trustee Fast: significant is this issue?

[2:46:14] Trustee Fast: Do people get enforcement problems about it?

[2:46:18] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[2:46:19] Trustee Fast: Is it a community irritant?

[2:46:22] Voice 15: It's getting to be more so now.

[2:46:23] Voice 15: Yeah, and what's happening here is a random individual has a, you know,

[2:46:30] Voice 15: planter coming about some specific thing and then, oh, you've got chickens. I didn't

[2:46:33] Voice 15: know you had chickens. Is

[2:46:34] Trustee Fast: this more important than ecosystem protection?

[2:46:37] Trustee Fast: Consider possible potential utilization? Well, no, I was just going to

[2:46:40] Voice 15: say what's more important and not

[2:46:41] Voice 15: important. It should

[2:46:42] Trustee Fast: be added. Yes, that's all.

[2:46:44] Voice 25: We need food, so sustainability comes first.

[2:46:49] Trustee Fast: You know, I'm a small owner,

[2:46:51] Voice 15: and there's chickens everywhere, and I don't have an issue, but I have roosters.

[2:46:55] Trustee Fast: Okay, so let's get back to the motion. Catherine, can you tell us what you've captured so far?

[2:47:02] Voice 9: The H-O-L-T-C request.

[2:47:11] Voice 15: In all zones, not everywhere.

[2:47:14] Voice 15: Can you

[2:47:15] Trustee Fast: change everywhere into in all zones?

[2:47:20] Trustee Fast: hang on folks we got to get through the rest of the meeting go ahead i

[2:47:23] Voice 19: think it's also really

[2:47:24] Voice 19: important in that to mention uh the chickens and appropriate infrastructure yes oh what do you

[2:47:31] Voice 19: mean infrastructure they

[2:47:32] Voice 15: need to have a coop they need a structure but not free range

[2:47:36] Voice 15: i'm

[2:47:37] Voice 19: just saying there's a lot of predators on army yeah i'm

[2:47:40] Voice 15: going to call this meeting

[2:47:41] Voice 15: okay

[2:47:41] Voice 19: but i think if you're going to allow chickens you have to also be allowing appropriate

[2:47:48] Voice 19: I

[2:47:48] Trustee Fast: think that would come in the planners report because that's what they're all about.

[2:47:53] Trustee Fast: We're

[2:47:54] Voice 24: just putting in a project at this point and all of the details of that would be sorted out later when the project is done.

[2:48:00] Trustee Fast: Right. If it's a land use by-law amendment it would be with public participation. Yes?

[2:48:06] Trustee Fast: The

[2:48:06] Voice 21: City of Vancouver allows chickens in all residential neighbourhoods. That might be something we can plagiarise.

[2:48:13] Voice 21: Yes.

[2:48:14] Trustee Fast: Planners are good at that.

[2:48:15] Trustee Fast: that. Okay,

[2:48:18] Trustee Fast: so we have a motion

[2:48:19] Trustee Fast: to add that to the projects list. And thank you, Catherine.

[2:48:24] Trustee Fast: I think Alex Allen is making that motion. Yes. Do I have a seconder to add it to the

[2:48:29] Trustee Fast: projects list? I see a seconder in Granskog. A

[2:48:32] Voice 15: very enthusiastic seconder. Well, we're

[2:48:35] Trustee Fast: not judging. We're just

[2:48:37] Voice 15: working

[2:48:37] Trustee Fast: on the meeting. So any more discussion? No.

[2:48:41] Trustee Fast: Okay. All in favor?

[2:48:43] Trustee Fast: One, two, three hands went up. Catherine, thank you very much. That passes.

[2:48:47] Trustee Fast: Hello? Hello? Hello? Oh, hi.

[2:48:50] Trustee Fast: I just have a question. Did you scrap the word everywhere? Yes.

[2:48:54] Trustee Fast: Yes. I think it changed to in all zones.

[2:48:59] Trustee Fast: In all zones. Yeah. Okay.

[2:49:02] Trustee Fast: Well,

[2:49:03] Voice 21: how do you deal with roosters then? You've got to have a small lot. You can't have a rooster.

[2:49:06] Voice 21: Just call me up.

[2:49:07] Trustee Fast: They're going to deal with that later.

[2:49:11] Trustee Fast: Okay. Next, or we're going to move to another item if we don't calm down here and settle on work. Yes?

[2:49:20] Voice 22: The watershed protection and groundwater preservation says remove.

[2:49:25] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:49:26] Voice 22: Yeah, I understand the price of absorbing as a trust wide freshwater sea.

[2:49:31] Voice 22: But I think it's it's a mistake to to to remove it completely because it says there's a lot of interest in water stewardship on Ormby Island.

[2:49:44] Voice 22: So I think taking it out sort of the optics of that are not good as well as how do we know how long this trust wide.

[2:49:53] Voice 22: i'm a bit cynical a trust-wide sustainability project how long is that going to take

[2:49:59] Voice 22: so i'm a little worried if we take it out you know it gets absorbed into something much bigger

[2:50:04] Voice 22: that we have no real say in it whereas at least we keep it in there we say we keep it on there

[2:50:09] Voice 22: but within the context of uh or something like that just so or

[2:50:14] Voice 5: with a note

[2:50:14] Voice 22: yeah yeah because

[2:50:15] Voice 22: Because you've got others like that, Heather Aubin, that said, you know, you said they'll keep it, but...

[2:50:20] Voice 22: Mm

[2:50:21] Voice 24: -hmm, yeah. I mean, I think if that were the case and you wanted to keep it on there, I would say move it to the projects list as opposed to keeping it on the top priorities.

[2:50:31] Voice 24: No, I agree with you.

[2:50:32] Voice 24: yeah yeah

[2:50:33] Trustee Fast: so i'm hearing a motion to move the watershed protection and groundwater preservation

[2:50:41] Trustee Fast: uh priority to the projects list with a note uh regarding its absorption how appropriate

[2:50:52] Trustee Fast: into the fresh trust wide freshwater sustainability project yes joining

[2:50:58] Trustee Fast: the meeting

[2:51:00] Voice 22: Warren Dingman.

[2:51:02] Trustee Fast: Hi, Warren. We're not at the closed meeting yet.

[2:51:04] Trustee Fast: Hello, Warren.

[2:51:06] Trustee Fast: Okay, no problem.

[2:51:07] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:51:08] Trustee Fast: A little lag.

[2:51:10] Voice 15: Understood.

[2:51:12] Voice 15: Yeah.

[2:51:14] Voice 15: I seconded.

[2:51:15] Voice 22: Okay. So we got a motion moved and seconded.

[2:51:18] Voice 22: So what's it

[2:51:19] Voice 22: going to say? Instead of saying remove, it's going to say...

[2:51:21] Voice 24: It won't be removed. That's my

[2:51:24] Voice 24: recommendation.

[2:51:25] Voice 24: It's hard saying anything.

[2:51:27] Voice 24: It'll just be moved.

[2:51:28] Voice 22: All right. Okay.

[2:51:28] Trustee Fast: Moved. Okay.

[2:51:30] Trustee Fast: Okay, and so then I'm gonna call the question.

[2:51:32] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[2:51:33] Trustee Fast: One, two, three, hands went up.

[2:51:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Catherine.

[2:51:36] Trustee Fast: And we still have a closed meeting to go,

[2:51:38] Trustee Fast: so I'm moving faster through here.

[2:51:40] Trustee Fast: Got a few things on a closed agenda.

[2:51:43] Trustee Fast: And so I'm wondering what else do we want to change here

[2:51:47] Trustee Fast: or do we want to accept the rest

[2:51:50] Trustee Fast: of the planner's recommendations?

[2:51:52] Voice 12: Accepted.

[2:51:54] Trustee Fast: I'm seeing no more comments,

[2:51:56] Trustee Fast: so can we have a motion something like,

[2:51:59] Trustee Fast: where would that be?

[2:52:02] Trustee Fast: Mr. Chair?

[2:52:03] Trustee Fast: Mr. No, I'm

[2:52:04] Trustee Fast: a little worried

[2:52:04] Voice 22: about marine protection ongoing.

[2:52:08] Voice 22: This is at the top of 246.

[2:52:12] Voice 22: Marine protection ongoing participation in public education, blah, blah, blah.

[2:52:16] Voice 22: Remove.

[2:52:18] Voice 22: It says advocacy seems to be something.

[2:52:23] Voice 22: It is deliverable in advocacy.

[2:52:26] Voice 22: It's just to advocate.

[2:52:27] Voice 22: case. So it seems like it does have a

[2:52:29] Voice 22: trust. I was a little confused at the

[2:52:31] Voice 22: wording. It's not

[2:52:34] Voice 22: got a clear truth,

[2:52:37] Voice 22: but advocacy never does, but it's

[2:52:39] Voice 22: obviously a part of a mandate of

[2:52:41] Voice 22: trust, right? It is.

[2:52:43] Voice 24: I mean, but the project list

[2:52:45] Voice 24: is a...

[2:52:47] Voice 24: Yeah, it's a project, right? And so

[2:52:50] Voice 24: if it's...

[2:52:52] Voice 24: If you're doing education, it is

[2:52:54] Voice 24: the development of a patent.

[2:52:55] Voice 24: If you're doing advocacy, it's the

[2:52:58] Voice 24: drafting of a letter. You know, it's...

[2:52:59] Voice 24: there's some some sort of definition of what

[2:53:02] Voice 22: you know marine is such a i mean we're just island

[2:53:05] Voice 22: out in the middle of an island on an island we have nothing to hear about marine can

[2:53:11] Trustee Fast: you it's

[2:53:12] Voice 22: just could

[2:53:13] Trustee Fast: you bring a project uh define a project perhaps something that you're working on with the

[2:53:18] Trustee Fast: bain's form channel bain sound uh form i mean or the um uh your hearing work or something just just

[2:53:26] Voice 22: Just to get over it right now, I understand.

[2:53:28] Voice 22: It could just say, instead of remove it,

[2:53:30] Voice 22: should be seriously considered by the next LTC

[2:53:33] Voice 22: or something like that.

[2:53:34] Voice 22: Just keep it there, flag it,

[2:53:37] Voice 22: because you're probably right, but I don't quite know.

[2:53:41] Voice 22: Maybe four hours ago, my brain might have been able

[2:53:43] Voice 22: to wrap something around it, but right now, ain't got it.

[2:53:46] Voice 22: Okay?

[2:53:46] Voice 15: And I'll agree, because I'm getting a lot of concerns

[2:53:50] Voice 15: just given all the Anchorage and Big Tribune

[2:53:54] Voice 15: Concerns with grey water and sewage being pumping in there and who's monitoring this, so we are, the things are growing in that regard, so I'm glad.

[2:54:03] Voice 15: So you want to keep it on the projects list?

[2:54:06] Voice 15: Yeah.

[2:54:07] Voice 15: That's okay.

[2:54:10] Trustee Fast: There's

[2:54:10] Voice 15: new developments out there.

[2:54:11] Voice 15: Alright,

[2:54:12] Trustee Fast: thank you. And Heather, do you want to give us some direction now or do we want to go to page 244 and see what other Heather's suggestions?

[2:54:19] Voice 22: I'm just

[2:54:20] Voice 22: wondering whether you just take the word remove off then, Heather, or just leave it blank, and then is that the idea?

[2:54:26] Voice 24: Yeah, I mean, the list will just retain that, is what I'm hearing.

[2:54:31] Voice 24: The

[2:54:31] Trustee Fast: list will keep it.

[2:54:32] Trustee Fast: It will

[2:54:32] Voice 24: stay on the list, right?

[2:54:33] Voice 24: Okay.

[2:54:38] Voice 22: So I don't have any other...

[2:54:39] Voice 22: So that's

[2:54:39] Trustee Fast: not a particular motion, and that doesn't need a particular motion?

[2:54:43] Voice 24: No.

[2:54:44] Voice 24: Okay.

[2:54:44] Voice 24: All right.

[2:54:46] Voice 24: Chair, if I could just add one more thing, and this will take care of Resolution No. 2 as well.

[2:54:52] Voice 24: I had recommended, part of my recommendation is that the model antenna

[2:54:56] Voice 24: system protocol be taken off the list and that you actually adopt the model strategy.

[2:55:04] Voice 24: I think you are going to consider that and maybe look at it some more.

[2:55:07] Voice 24: But I have been recommending that you just adopt the model so that you have some sort of an enhanced protection.

[2:55:13] Voice 24: And if you want to come back and revisit it later, that's the purpose of the number two resolution.

[2:55:20] Voice 24: The

[2:55:20] Trustee Fast: reason is, and I just want to put this in because I remember our discussions earlier, is what's happening on Salt Spring, because unless we have passed or adopted an intent strategy of some kind, they can just come in and do whatever they want without any public consultation. Is that what I'm understanding?

[2:55:41] Trustee Fast: Well

[2:55:42] Voice 24: there is a standard federal requirement for public consultation. They still do have to notify the public and they have a specific mailing radius and all of that.

[2:55:52] Voice 24: So there is a basic federally mandated process. The Islands Trust strategy is an enhanced process.

[2:56:01] Voice 24: So they have to come to the LTC, they have to, I mean they do anyway.

[2:56:05] Voice 24: The federal process requires anyone who's putting up a new tower to come to the LTC and ask for concurrence.

[2:56:12] Voice 24: And the feds are not inclined to – they can technically approve a cell tower with or without your concurrence, but they're not inclined to.

[2:56:23] Voice 24: So the current system actually does have public engagement.

[2:56:27] Voice 24: The model strategy is an enhanced engagement strategy, and it just is more rigorous and makes them, I think there's a community meeting

[2:56:38] Trustee Fast: involved, for

[2:56:39] Voice 24: instance, right, where the standard process does not.

[2:56:42] Voice 24: So

[2:56:43] Trustee Fast: it's just like one step closer to what I remember you wanting before.

[2:56:51] Trustee Fast: I'm just, it's got ugly on Salt Spring.

[2:56:54] Trustee Fast: There is cell towers going in and people are very upset.

[2:56:59] Trustee Fast: So I just wanted to flag with you that this could be a tool.

[2:57:03] Trustee Fast: And then Heather brought it up as well and put it in her, I saw it in her report,

[2:57:08] Trustee Fast: that she was going to bring it to the LTC as a possibility for a higher level of public participation in case something came.

[2:57:21] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[2:57:22] Voice 15: Well, we've already been through all this before when they were at the Seltzhard where the TELUS building is.

[2:57:29] Voice 15: And that was a very robust, vigorous community consultation.

[2:57:33] Voice 15: And Tony and I did not vote for the concurrence because, if I can finally remember,

[2:57:39] Voice 15: We didn't feel comfortable with, I'm trying, I wish I could remember right now.

[2:57:43] Voice 5: It doesn't matter.

[2:57:44] Voice 15: But anyways, I have a discomfort with this, because we already have, we're getting out

[2:57:48] Voice 15: of the fiber optic, I don't understand, we've already said no to the tower, I don't understand

[2:57:52] Voice 15: how they can come back again.

[2:57:54] Voice 24: Well, fiber

[2:57:55] Voice 24: optic and cell towers are different, and they do have different services, so even

[2:58:00] Voice 24: if you get fiber optic, cell towers do other things.

[2:58:04] Voice 15: I wish I could find out why we did this, because there was some big decision there, and I can't

[2:58:09] Voice 15: think about it right now so i'm not uh comfortable at this point

[2:58:12] Voice 22: okay trustee scott

[2:58:13] Voice 22: thank you it

[2:58:15] Voice 22: sounds to me like what we're saying is it says here staff are recommending this staff report

[2:58:19] Voice 22: the ltc adopt the model strategy why don't we just say the ltc of agrees with adopting the

[2:58:27] Voice 22: model strategy because this just is a vague thing around a staff report it sounds to me like heather

[2:58:34] Voice 22: the way you phrased it it's something we do want to support so let's just say it

[2:58:40] Voice 22: yeah not support a staff report but support the strategy yeah so

[2:58:46] Trustee Fast: so we've seen it before so

[2:58:48] Trustee Fast: did you want to move this number two right this

[2:58:52] Voice 22: is 219 i'm looking

[2:58:54] Voice 22: at models i i think rather than

[2:58:57] Voice 22: remove it yeah we

[2:58:58] Voice 22: simply say delete it and say the ltc how

[2:59:03] Voice 5: about this number two it's a

[2:59:05] Voice 5: recommendation at the top of the report precisely

[2:59:09] Voice 22: okay

[2:59:10] Voice 5: so i've

[2:59:11] Voice 22: actually read that about five hours

[2:59:13] Voice 5: okay

[2:59:13] Voice 22: so i'd like to make a motion that the hornby i local trust committee adopt the island's trust

[2:59:22] Voice 22: model strategy for antenna systems thank

[2:59:28] Trustee Fast: you do I have a seconder I'm sure

[2:59:30] Voice 15: okay

[2:59:31] Voice 15: let me discuss it second okay

[2:59:33] Trustee Fast: very good now we can have a motion moved and

[2:59:35] Trustee Fast: seconded that's recommendation to on page 244 word-for-word Catherine if you

[2:59:41] Trustee Fast: didn't catch the wording and and Heather can you tell us any more about the

[2:59:47] Trustee Fast: strategy or what would you like to know that would help you Alice well I just

[2:59:50] Voice 15: I just want to know, so if we do agree to this, this is just preventing Telles or Rogers or some...

[3:00:00] Voice 15: company to come in and just put a tarp. Is this what this is?

[3:00:03] Voice 15: No,

[3:00:03] Voice 24: this is what what this does is it says to them that if they want to do that

[3:00:08] Voice 24: They have to come to the community. They have to hold community meetings. They have to they have to do an enhanced public engagement

[3:00:16] Voice 24: effort before they can put up a tower.

[3:00:18] Voice 15: Because the rules

[3:00:19] Trustee Fast: of change go back in the day.

[3:00:20] Voice 15: Okay,

[3:00:21] Trustee Fast: then I'm gonna call the question. All those in favor? That motion carries. Thank you. Okay. So what about

[3:00:30] Trustee Fast: on number one on that page and this is

[3:00:33] Trustee Fast: page 244 I'm up at the top of Heather's

[3:00:37] Trustee Fast: report now yeah

[3:00:42] Voice 22: okay number one mm

[3:00:45] Trustee Fast: -hmm do you want to say as amended instead of

[3:00:48] Trustee Fast: as presented yes

[3:00:50] Voice 22: okay go ahead when

[3:00:53] Voice 22: we I wrote trust committee endorsed the top

[3:00:56] Voice 22: priorities as amended and the projects well let's just say it once the top

[3:01:02] Voice 22: progress list and a project list as amended as presented oh wait a minute

[3:01:08] Voice 22: the date's

[3:01:11] Trustee Fast: wrong in there today september the 8th

[3:01:15] Voice 29: 9th 9th

[3:01:17] Trustee Fast: thank you oh it's late in the meeting yeah

[3:01:21] Voice 15: september 9th for

[3:01:25] Trustee Fast: further consideration by the incoming local trust committee yes

[3:01:28] Trustee Fast: okay i second it okay

[3:01:30] Trustee Fast: so we've got a motion moved and seconded did you catch that catherine

[3:01:34] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[3:01:35] Trustee Fast: Okay, great.

[3:01:36] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[3:01:38] Trustee Fast: Hearing none, call the question.

[3:01:40] Trustee Fast: All those in favour?

[3:01:41] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[3:01:41] Trustee Fast: That motion carries.

[3:01:44] Trustee Fast: How about you, Trustee Allen?

[3:01:46] Trustee Fast: Do you want to make a...

[3:01:47] Trustee Fast: Trustee Allen?

[3:01:49] Voice 15: Trustee Allen.

[3:01:49] Trustee Fast: Yes, say it.

[3:01:50] Voice 15: I move that the Woonbeowl Naukoo Trust Committee adopt the Islands Trust Model Strategy for

[3:01:54] Voice 15: antenna systems.

[3:01:55] Trustee Fast: I think we just did that one.

[3:01:56] Voice 15: No, we didn't.

[3:01:57] Voice 15: We just did the incoming...

[3:01:58] Trustee Fast: We did the...

[3:01:59] Trustee Fast: Catherine, did we pass the antennas?

[3:02:02] Trustee Fast: I thought we did, yes.

[3:02:04] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[3:02:04] Trustee Fast: The

[3:02:04] Voice 9: Woonbeowl Naukoo Trust Committee adopted the Islands Trust Model Strategy for antenna

[3:02:08] Voice 9: Yes,

[3:02:10] Trustee Fast: we did. Okay, good. Thank you.

[3:02:12] Voice 15: I'm blaming it on my sinuses. Okay, the third one then, right? Or the fourth?

[3:02:18] Voice 24: So I can give a little more explanation on these ones.

[3:02:22] Voice 24: The project, so this is the official community plan project.

[3:02:27] Voice 24: Originally, the consultant contract was going to be for some limited public engagement

[3:02:33] Voice 24: and then by-law drafting and processing.

[3:02:37] Voice 24: Once the business case got endorsed and it kind of came back to the trustees,

[3:02:42] Voice 24: you had said you want two public engagement workshops

[3:02:45] Voice 24: and then some for the consultants to work on by-laws a little bit.

[3:02:49] Voice 24: So the project charter has changed a little bit,

[3:02:52] Voice 24: which is what number three reflects.

[3:02:55] Voice 24: What also would – what number four reflects is that original business case

[3:03:01] Voice 24: assumed all that kind of original idea so the business case needs to be amended

[3:03:06] Voice 24: a little bit to show that the project has changed and if there's more money to

[3:03:12] Voice 24: go into the project next fiscal the business case needs to go forward now in

[3:03:18] Voice 24: order to because

[3:03:19] Voice 5: you might not be able to do your quick thing again go ahead

[3:03:22] Voice 22: I'd like to move that the Army Iowa Trust Committee requests that we revise

[3:03:26] Voice 22: the business case consistent with the amended project charter first

[3:03:31] Trustee Fast: we have to

[3:03:31] Trustee Fast: amend the project charter. Can you do number three first?

[3:03:38] Voice 22: Nope. Okay. I'll do

[3:03:42] Voice 15: number three and you can do number four. Okay. Go ahead. I move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee endorse the amended Hornby Island Official Community Plan Amendment Review Project Charter.

[3:03:53] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Very good.

[3:03:55] Voice 24: All right. Sorry, I have to complicate this more. But so the project charter that's attached to this assumes that there is just two community

[3:04:03] Voice 24: workshops and the pilot drafting right so if you are contemplating more workshops than that

[3:04:11] Voice 24: or more public engagement then then the project charter actually has to be amended to reflect that

[3:04:17] Voice 24: and the business case would as well um so in the staff report i've kind of laid out what i think

[3:04:23] Voice 24: are three options for that which

[3:04:25] Trustee Fast: page are you looking at

[3:04:26] Voice 24: and i am looking at that page number

[3:04:29] Voice 24: Number 248, kind of in the middle of the page.

[3:04:34] Voice 24: Yep, the request.

[3:04:36] Voice 24: The first one is the assumption that things continue,

[3:04:40] Voice 24: that there's no more than two workshops that you already have assumed.

[3:04:43] Voice 24: That's number one.

[3:04:45] Voice 24: There is a number two would be a request for an additional $15,000 for next year,

[3:04:52] Voice 24: and that would allow for the consultants to be able to kind of dive more deeply

[3:04:57] Voice 24: into draft bylaws. Right now, what we're assuming is that the consultants would finish up their

[3:05:05] Voice 24: contract for this fiscal year, and then staff would take over the process and be drafting bylaws

[3:05:11] Voice 24: and processing it. If you got $15,000 for next year, we can continue having the consultants do

[3:05:17] Voice 24: that. And, you know, you're more likely to get it done because the staffing issues may not allow for

[3:05:25] Voice 24: it um number three is the big ask which is an additional twenty five thousand dollars that

[3:05:31] Voice 24: would allow for consultants next year to do not only buy bylaw drafting but more public engagement

[3:05:38] Voice 24: as well facilitation so those are sort of what i see as the three options trustees

[3:05:45] Voice 22: if you recall

[3:05:48] Voice 22: the problem we had getting it through the trust council the first time they were very reluctant

[3:05:52] Voice 22: it to increase through how do you want to call it persuasion they did go along with it because

[3:06:01] Voice 22: i think they could see it as maybe a possibility could be used to sell it just for hornby island

[3:06:05] Voice 22: but it could become something that could be used by other options as well so they did approve it

[3:06:11] Voice 22: but i think to go back for 25 option three that would be a tough sell we'll have a tough sell with

[3:06:20] Voice 22: the other 15, but we've already

[3:06:22] Voice 22: got them in for a penny. They're going to

[3:06:24] Voice 22: go in for the pound.

[3:06:26] Voice 5: So you're going to

[3:06:27] Trustee Fast: make a motion?

[3:06:28] Voice 22: So I would like to go with two.

[3:06:31] Voice 22: They request another 15,000.

[3:06:33] Trustee Fast: Does

[3:06:33] Voice 22: that make sense to you, Heather?

[3:06:34] Voice 22: It does, yeah.

[3:06:35] Voice 22: We need another 10 to get the rest of it done.

[3:06:38] Voice 22: We'll speak to Tom later.

[3:06:40] Voice 22: Yeah.

[3:06:42] Voice 22: Okay.

[3:06:43] Voice 22: Now they're in two pennies.

[3:06:45] Voice 22: Can I ask you just

[3:06:46] Voice 29: a quick question?

[3:06:47] Voice 29: So the 15,000 dollars that was

[3:06:49] Voice 29: originally put forward to draft bylaws based on the APC recommendations before

[3:06:55] Voice 29: any of us got involved not

[3:06:57] Voice 22: just the not just the well

[3:06:59] Voice 29: not just those but the all

[3:07:00] Voice 29: of all four projects they were asked to be that $50,000 is now being redirected

[3:07:07] Voice 29: to two public consultation sessions and any bylaw drafting is either going to be

[3:07:12] Voice 29: funded by an additional $15,000 yet to be granted or it will be done by staff

[3:07:18] Voice 29: That's correct. That's correct. Okay. And so in this room, this morning, we heard a lot of people say, we want large scale community consultation and consensus being pulled together on this issue.

[3:07:33] Voice 29: And I love the starting with the things we agree on comment.

[3:07:37] Voice 29: it um is the scope of the contract because i heard you say the contract has already been let

[3:07:43] Voice 29: is the scope of the contract such that that community can request can actually be accommodated

[3:07:50] Voice 29: in it and if so great yeah

[3:07:54] Voice 24: so under the current contract um there could be one other community

[3:08:01] Voice 24: workshop and it sort of depends on whether it's in person or electronic it actually costs us for

[3:08:08] Voice 24: us to have an elect have electronic workshops because the consultants don't have to travel

[3:08:13] Voice 24: and we don't

[3:08:13] Voice 24: have to pay for accommodation and that kind of thing right so but but yes under

[3:08:18] Voice 24: the current contract we could um have more consultation and use up the contract funds for

[3:08:25] Voice 24: that um and then um i mean we anticipated that the consultants would be drafting a report making

[3:08:34] Voice 24: recommendations for the bylaws um but the contract could be amended to just include public engagement

[3:08:41] Voice 24: if that's what that's what we wanted to do so i'd

[3:08:45] Trustee Fast: like to look to trustees now and say

[3:08:47] Trustee Fast: which is your choice of those three uh options there well

[3:08:54] Voice 15: i agree with grant number two and um

[3:08:56] Voice 15: you know i i too have concerns with us going back and wanting more but um you know it's

[3:09:02] Voice 22: okay across

[3:09:03] Voice 22: that bridge when we get there because it still

[3:09:04] Voice 22: leaves us the possibility of stretching that

[3:09:06] Voice 22: first 15 to do the second thing if we go by zoo but that's the right decision yeah that's right

[3:09:11] Voice 7: Yeah. Okay.

[3:09:13] Voice 22: So Alex, yes. Okay.

[3:09:16] Trustee Fast: So I don't hang on. I need to move this meeting faster. So please, please allow me. Okay, what are you moving? I

[3:09:25] Voice 15: move that. Hey, that's funny.

[3:09:30] Voice 18: So

[3:09:31] Voice 24: do you have a motion on the floor already that you're going to endorse the amended Project Charter?

[3:09:41] Voice 24: So I think that motion has to be to include

[3:09:45] Voice 15: Option 2

[3:09:47] Voice 24: of the staff report.

[3:09:50] Voice 24: To

[3:09:50] Trustee Fast: include Option 2 of the staff report?

[3:09:52] Voice 24: Yes.

[3:09:52] Trustee Fast: So can you add that to the motion, Catherine?

[3:10:01] Trustee Fast: Well, the motion would read that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee endorsed the

[3:10:06] Trustee Fast: amended Hornby Island Official Community Plan Amendment Review Project Charter, including

[3:10:13] Trustee Fast: option two from the staff report, right?

[3:10:20] Voice 15: Including requesting $15,000 for consultants to draft and process bylaws.

[3:10:26] Trustee Fast: Do you want that to be in the motion that you're making?

[3:10:28] Voice 15: Yes.

[3:10:28] Voice 15: Okay, so

[3:10:29] Trustee Fast: can you put the wording for option 2 in instead of option 2?

[3:10:36] Trustee Fast: And then Trustee Allen is making that motion.

[3:10:39] Trustee Fast: Does that sound clear?

[3:10:42] Voice 9: So I'll remove the place it with $15,000 for

[3:10:53] Voice 15: consultants to draft and process bylaws.

[3:11:00] Voice 15: And request $15,000 for consultants to draft and process bylaws.

[3:11:09] Trustee Fast: Because

[3:11:10] Voice 15: option 2, somebody looks at it and they don't know what option 2 is.

[3:11:12] Voice 15: So,

[3:11:12] Trustee Fast: thank you. I've got a motion. Do I have a seconder?

[3:11:15] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Grant Scott has seconded the motion.

[3:11:18] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion? All those in favor?

[3:11:21] Trustee Fast: Three hands went up, Catherine. That motion passes.

[3:11:24] Trustee Fast: I think now we're on to yours.

[3:11:26] Trustee Fast: Number four?

[3:11:27] Voice 24: Four and five could be read verbatim.

[3:11:30] Voice 24: Yeah.

[3:11:37] Voice 5: Four and five?

[3:11:38] Voice 22: Two, four, four.

[3:11:39] Voice 22: The Hormie Iowa Trust Committee requests staff revise the business case

[3:11:42] Voice 22: consistent with the amended project charter.

[3:11:45] Trustee Fast: Right. Do I have a seconder?

[3:11:47] Trustee Fast: I

[3:11:47] Voice 22: thought they could be read together. No?

[3:11:49] Trustee Fast: No.

[3:11:50] Trustee Fast: Okay. Any more discussion? All those in favour? Thank you. That's three hands went up for

[3:11:57] Trustee Fast: number four that was just read verbatim, and then number five. Do you want to read that

[3:12:01] Trustee Fast: one?

[3:12:02] Voice 15: I move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee endorse the revised business case

[3:12:05] Voice 15: for the Hornby Island Official Community Plan Amendment Review Project, and forward to the

[3:12:10] Voice 15: Financial Planning Committee for consideration in the 2023-2024 budget.

[3:12:14] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Do

[3:12:15] Voice 15: I have a

[3:12:15] Trustee Fast: seconder? I see Grant Scott's hand went up. And so that was just verbatim number five. Any discussion? I'm going to call the question. All those in favor? Okay, thank you. Very good. And now, is there anything else that people wanted to do in there? Or ask questions of the planner? It might be time to move on.

[3:12:41] Trustee Fast: Well, we still have a closed meeting to go.

[3:12:45] Voice 24: Chair, we did have the question of whether or not the first workshop will be electronic or in person, and if there's a date for that.

[3:12:56] Trustee Fast: Yes, because I think, I don't really have a spot on the agenda to see that, but I was going, where do we put that?

[3:13:06] Trustee Fast: Because September 29th is not going to work, and

[3:13:09] Trustee Fast: that's the same day as the...

[3:13:11] Voice 22: 7th or something that got booted around but what day does work we

[3:13:15] Voice 24: well we can we can explore that

[3:13:17] Voice 24: without um without having to kind of work through here um we just need to we

[3:13:23] Voice 15: did move that it was

[3:13:24] Voice 15: going to be zoom i thought already yeah

[3:13:26] Voice 24: the motion that you have is um that it's going to be in

[3:13:30] Voice 24: person so we just need a motion to say that the first workshop can be by zoom i

[3:13:35] Voice 15: move i move that

[3:13:37] Voice 15: the first workshop

[3:13:37] Voice 22: there are certain people do you guys think going zooming this is okay yes

[3:13:45] Voice 13: the reason why we chose

[3:13:47] Voice 15: zoom is because

[3:13:48] Voice 13: i know it's off islanders i know no i

[3:13:50] Voice 22: know and off

[3:13:51] Voice 22: islanders but i think there's i get a lot more out of meeting when people are actually at the meeting

[3:13:57] Voice 22: but i also understand people are away and also um the cost factor and this is also

[3:14:07] Voice 22: Should the first meeting be in person and maybe set it all up,

[3:14:10] Voice 22: and the second can be by Zoom or something, or have both of them by Zoom?

[3:14:14] Voice 22: It looks like it's going to be more than two, it could possibly be three.

[3:14:18] Voice 22: This is real community stuff, right?

[3:14:21] Voice 5: I think

[3:14:22] Voice 15: we've heard from the community that they prefer Zoom,

[3:14:25] Voice 15: certainly from this audience today.

[3:14:27] Voice 15: The meeting was going to be in the evening, which would be great for people,

[3:14:32] Voice 15: and it'll include everybody that's off-island that have second drawings.

[3:14:36] Voice 15: so I think it just makes sense and

[3:14:38] Trustee Fast: also it's cheaper I

[3:14:39] Trustee Fast: think we need to move

[3:14:40] Trustee Fast: ahead all right yep

[3:14:42] Trustee Fast: okay

[3:14:43] Voice 15: so

[3:14:44] Trustee Fast: do you make the motion I

[3:14:45] Voice 15: know that we I'm the first

[3:14:52] Voice 15: consultation me in a zoo will be a zoo meeting on an evening on an evening day

[3:14:59] Voice 15: to do

[3:14:59] Voice 22: to be determined well what do we what question do we order before the

[3:15:05] Voice 22: election or does it matter? That's what I was going to ask as well because I'm kind of anxious.

[3:15:11] Voice 24: Yeah we can make we can make it happen we may we may not be able to make it happen in September but

[3:15:16] Voice 24: we like we couldn't have to make it happen before the election.

[3:15:21] Voice 22: So one meeting only and then the

[3:15:23] Voice 22: next one would be enough. You know

[3:15:24] Voice 22: what happens after the elections to trust things get it's more

[3:15:29] Voice 22: difficult to organize things because everybody's sort of figuring it out.

[3:15:32] Trustee Fast: Why don't we get things

[3:15:33] Trustee Fast: started. Because

[3:15:34] Trustee Fast: while we've got Heather and all the, you know,

[3:15:37] Trustee Fast: I think it might be a good

[3:15:40] Trustee Fast: idea to have some momentum behind it. Okay, so I think

[3:15:44] Trustee Fast: I'm hearing a seconder, is that

[3:15:45] Trustee Fast: correct?

[3:15:45] Voice 15: But do I have to ask the staff to choose a date?

[3:15:48] Voice 15: Am I seconded? Excuse me? I

[3:15:49] Trustee Fast: need a seconder. In

[3:15:50] Trustee Fast: terms of my

[3:15:50] Voice 15: motion, do I have

[3:15:51] Voice 15: to ask staff to report back on a date?

[3:15:55] Voice 15: Does that should be on the motion?

[3:15:56] Voice 22: Would you say before October 15th?

[3:16:01] Voice 24: It's implied. I

[3:16:02] Voice 24: I mean, we will, you know, make sure that everybody can come in.

[3:16:07] Voice 5: Yeah, they would check in with us.

[3:16:09] Voice 15: Okay.

[3:16:10] Voice 29: I have a question.

[3:16:12] Voice 29: I'm sorry.

[3:16:12] Voice 29: Are the other recommendations already available to the public?

[3:16:16] Voice 29: So given that this consultation is for a whole range of recommendations, not just the one report, are the rest of the reports submitted and can the public access them?

[3:16:24] Voice 29: Because if you don't have recommendations, how can you have a public forum?

[3:16:27] Trustee Fast: Yes, they're all accepted and received before from the Advisory Planning Commission.

[3:16:32] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Yeah. So the

[3:16:33] Voice 29: riparian and the First Nations.

[3:16:35] Voice 15: Yeah. The riparian was just given to us today. So yeah.

[3:16:38] Voice 29: Okay. So it's arrived today. That's why it's on. And the First Nations has also been submitted.

[3:16:42] Voice 15: That was at the beginning. Yeah. That was like

[3:16:44] Trustee Fast: many

[3:16:45] Voice 15: months ago. So

[3:16:46] Trustee Fast: they've been working away. Yeah. And so we've got all this and it's great that we're going to make use of it. So do I have a seconder? Thank you. So that motion has been seconded. Catherine, any more discussion about having a meeting by Zoom in an evening?

[3:17:02] Trustee Fast: for october 15.

[3:17:04] Voice 16: no then

[3:17:05] Trustee Fast: i'm going to

[3:17:05] Voice 16: call i just was going to suggest that people register for the

[3:17:10] Voice 16: zoom and are given the package of all the recommendations uh once they've registered

[3:17:14] Voice 16: with the invitation to attend so that the meeting isn't about all people uninformed people

[3:17:21] Voice 16: participating so to try to get participants as informed as possible ahead of time it'll be more

[3:17:28] Voice 16: productive yeah totally i

[3:17:30] Trustee Fast: think uh i think that's partly why we're bringing consultants in and why

[3:17:35] Trustee Fast: do we need a motion to ask staff to provide some analysis about the recommendations of the apc

[3:17:44] Voice 24: yes um although i i mean i i don't know how much time we're going to have before

[3:17:54] Voice 24: We have some analysis already available that we can provide.

[3:18:01] Voice 24: For instance, I've done some zoning analysis that compares bed and breakfast to short-term

[3:18:08] Voice 24: vacation rental, what's in the zoning now, and that information can be made available.

[3:18:13] Trustee Fast: All

[3:18:13] Voice 24: of this information is on the project webpage right now, so I think all of the APC

[3:18:19] Voice 24: recommendations are actually on there now.

[3:18:22] Voice 24: available we need to organize them a little better but okay yeah we will have something

[3:18:27] Trustee Fast: okay we'll leave it we'll leave that to staff okay so i've got a motion move and seconded

[3:18:31] Trustee Fast: go ahead oh

[3:18:32] Voice 9: yes yeah what do you have i have that

[3:18:41] Voice 9: in the evening

[3:18:52] Trustee Fast: in

[3:18:54] Voice 9: the evening yeah before

[3:18:57] Trustee Fast: october 15th

[3:18:58] Trustee Fast: Before? Before October 15th.

[3:19:02] Voice 22: Can I have, now I'm wondering whether we're really leaving enough time for everybody to digest these.

[3:19:10] Voice 22: Are we pushing this too hard? It's just like the riparian one just came out.

[3:19:13] Voice 22: This meeting we held today on the 9th of September. Would it be better to leave this until after the 15th?

[3:19:20] Voice 22: I don't know, just for the community people. Are we pushing it too fast?

[3:19:24] Voice 22: I

[3:19:24] Trustee Fast: think people are interested now.

[3:19:26] Voice 22: Yeah, we've definitely created interest.

[3:19:31] Voice 22: I might just assume that

[3:19:32] Voice 22: the staff says we better do it soon.

[3:19:33] Voice 22: I think we should do it soon.

[3:19:35] Voice 13: I'll add my two cents.

[3:19:36] Voice 13: I do crave certainty, like looking for signals from the committee,

[3:19:39] Voice 13: like where you stand and what the process is.

[3:19:43] Voice 13: I'd like to

[3:19:44] Voice 13: be clear the election.

[3:19:45] Voice 13: Well, I don't know if I care before.

[3:19:47] Voice 13: I just don't want to care.

[3:19:49] Voice 13: I'm eager for to see a swing.

[3:19:51] Voice 13: Okay, thank you.

[3:19:53] Voice 22: It's going to happen.

[3:19:54] Voice 5: But

[3:19:54] Voice 22: I just wonder whether the consultants are going to have time

[3:19:56] Voice 22: to digest all this stuff i

[3:19:58] Trustee Fast: want to uh go to

[3:20:00] Trustee Fast: this gentleman go ahead if i remember

[3:20:02] Voice 15: the report is that we have we there is a time frame and if we don't spend this money it's

[3:20:07] Voice 15: going to disappear is that correct in terms of this timeline this consultation

[3:20:11] Voice 24: is good through

[3:20:13] Voice 24: march 31st of next year so

[3:20:15] Voice 15: that's not very long

[3:20:15] Voice 24: so so the whatever workshops whatever we do it

[3:20:19] Voice 24: has to happen yeah i

[3:20:21] Voice 5: think we should keep going so we've

[3:20:23] Trustee Fast: got a motion moved and seconded and uh

[3:20:25] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[3:20:28] Trustee Fast: Okay, I'm going to call the question.

[3:20:29] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[3:20:31] Trustee Fast: Three hands went up.

[3:20:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:20:34] Trustee Fast: And what else?

[3:20:36] Trustee Fast: Are we missing anything else here?

[3:20:38] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:20:40] Trustee Fast: All right.

[3:20:41] Trustee Fast: Then I'm going to move quite quickly through the next.

[3:20:46] Voice 22: So everybody's going to leave, right?

[3:20:49] Voice 22: Unless they want to hear about

[3:20:51] Trustee Fast: the Islands Trust Conservancy three-year plan briefing.

[3:20:54] Voice 22: but i just want to say one thing before everybody goes so we have something going on

[3:20:58] Voice 22: heather's been our planner now for quite a while i think she's been the best planner possible

[3:21:07] Voice 22: and she's moving along going to be the senior planner for the city of alice

[3:21:11] Voice 22: so yeah

[3:21:14] Voice 10: this is going to be

[3:21:16] Voice 22: her last meeting so i'd like to read into the somewhere how much

[3:21:21] Voice 22: we've appreciated her work and wish her the best in her endeavors yeah

[3:21:29] Voice 5: if

[3:21:31] Voice 28: you

[3:21:39] Trustee Fast: could just capture that Catherine in the minute something about the committee

[3:21:45] Trustee Fast: thanked Heather car for all her wonderful work the

[3:21:48] Voice 22: community of just the

[3:21:50] Voice 22: Yeah, very good. Thanks, Heather.

[3:21:54] Trustee Fast: I'm having an obnoxious time.

[3:21:58] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:21:59] Voice 16: I know this is really rude, Sue Ellen, but I wanted to thank you for such an inclusive and interactive meeting today.

[3:22:07] Voice 16: I'm leaving, but I did

[3:22:09] Voice 16: really want to say thank you.

[3:22:10] Voice 16: Well,

[3:22:11] Trustee Fast: I'd like to thank you guys because you allowed me to facilitate the meeting so we could still make progress while still letting everybody speak,

[3:22:18] Trustee Fast: and everybody kept brief and succinct and positive thank you very much everybody okay all

[3:22:23] Voice 13: right thank

[3:22:24] Voice 26: you everybody thank

[3:22:25] Voice 13: you guys well don't forget to put the chairs away people yeah just kidding

[3:22:28] Voice 13: i'm

[3:22:28] Trustee Fast: gonna keep going through the chairs

[3:22:32] Voice 9: okay

[3:22:34] Trustee Fast: 12.1 stress conservancy

[3:22:36] Trustee Fast: three-year plan briefing

[3:22:38] Trustee Fast: Do you think anybody wants to talk about this?

[3:22:40] Trustee Fast: No. I'm interested.

[3:22:41] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:22:42] Trustee Fast: Go ahead and

[3:22:42] Voice 19: breathe your brains out.

[3:22:44] Voice 19: Wow.

[3:22:45] Voice 19: I'm going to have to do it.

[3:22:47] Here.

[3:22:52] Voice 22: Remember, don't let the bathroom

[3:22:54] Voice 22: get you down.

[3:22:56] Voice 4: Thank you, Wendy.

[3:22:58] Voice 15: See, that's why I wanted to be in person.

[3:22:59] Voice 15: Oh, no.

[3:23:01] Voice 15: I'm just

[3:23:03] Voice 4: going

[3:23:05] Voice 15: to sit in the hot seat.

[3:23:21] Trustee Fast: 10 minutes and then we go into a closed meeting

[3:23:23] Trustee Fast: so

[3:23:24] Trustee Fast: well there's

[3:23:27] Voice 10: not going to be much

[3:23:28] Voice 10: have a seat

[3:23:30] Trustee Fast: okay good I'm glad

[3:23:32] Trustee Fast: because this is about the

[3:23:33] Trustee Fast: Bowen Island Conservancy or sorry

[3:23:35] Trustee Fast: I'm sorry, not the Board of Miners Conservancy.

[3:23:37] Trustee Fast: Islands Trust Conservancy.

[3:23:39] Trustee Fast: Well, I used to be the chair, so like you, I was the chair for years.

[3:23:45] Trustee Fast: You did great too.

[3:23:46] Voice 10: It's on

[3:23:47] Trustee Fast: my mind. Thank you.

[3:23:50] Trustee Fast: So thanks for staying.

[3:23:52] Trustee Fast: Now we're moving on to 12.1, Islands Trust Conservancy three-year plan.

[3:23:56] Trustee Fast: There were a few of these over there.

[3:23:58] Trustee Fast: If you didn't get one, there were. They're gone, I guess.

[3:24:02] Voice 28: There's one right here.

[3:24:03] Voice 28: Oh, good.

[3:24:05] Trustee Fast: Here's another one, if you want it. And this three-year plan briefing, I can explain. I'm a vice chair, and there's a report here. It's basically saying if you want to give any comments, you can. It's optional. We're required to refer it out to the local trust committees.

[3:24:25] Trustee Fast: basically we're saying instead of a five-year plan we're going to do a three-year plan

[3:24:30] Trustee Fast: partly because of covid but mostly because we want to reach out to first nations

[3:24:35] Trustee Fast: and we want to get the um that kind of input happening before we do our next five-year plan

[3:24:42] Trustee Fast: go ahead i have

[3:24:45] Voice 22: two questions about the conservancy

[3:24:48] Voice 22: I appreciate the Conservancy for obvious reasons. How much does it cost, this part of the Trust?

[3:24:56] Voice 22: It's quite a bit. It's like a million of our budget.

[3:25:01] Trustee Fast: That's...

[3:25:02] Voice 22: It's a substantial piece.

[3:25:03] Trustee Fast: Well, we deal with that through the budgeting process, but what I will say is that all acquisitions are funded by donations.

[3:25:13] Voice 22: I understand that.

[3:25:14] Trustee Fast: Or trades and stuff.

[3:25:15] Trustee Fast: I

[3:25:15] Voice 22: understand that, but how much is the budget? It's substantial. The point I want to make, it's a substantial amount of money, and I wonder whether we're duplicating what they make. There's so many other nature trusts out there. I really

[3:25:29] Voice 22: kind of wonder why the Islands Trust is doing it when it adds to taxes and the rest of it. Anyway, I just flagged that. I'm not going to pursue it so long right now.

[3:25:41] Trustee Fast: This is a good question for Trust Council.

[3:25:43] Voice 22: Yes.

[3:25:44] Trustee Fast: Okay?

[3:25:45] Trustee Fast: And you could ask Kate Louise ahead of time, too,

[3:25:49] Trustee Fast: so that you can refine your question into something that if you want to ask it.

[3:25:54] Voice 22: I know what she's going to say, but anyway, it's fine.

[3:25:57] Trustee Fast: Well, she would know the budget better than me.

[3:26:00] Trustee Fast: My numbers

[3:26:01] Voice 22: go in and out of my head.

[3:26:01] Trustee Fast: I

[3:26:01] Voice 22: remember when the budget came up last time,

[3:26:03] Voice 22: I was really surprised at the number that was in there

[3:26:06] Voice 22: when everybody was so concerned with the budget.

[3:26:09] Voice 22: It's quite a large number.

[3:26:11] Voice 22: Anyway,

[3:26:11] Trustee Fast: let's leave it.

[3:26:12] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:26:12] Voice 22: All right.

[3:26:13] Trustee Fast: And what this is doing is just asking about this draft three-year plan, whether we have any specific comments about it.

[3:26:22] Trustee Fast: The local trust committee?

[3:26:24] Trustee Fast: No.

[3:26:24] Trustee Fast: And I'm hearing none.

[3:26:25] Trustee Fast: No.

[3:26:25] Voice 28: Okay.

[3:26:26] Trustee Fast: So we'll just don't have to submit any comments. Thank you. Then we'll just move on to the next item.

[3:26:32] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[3:26:32] Trustee Fast: and the trust conservancy report here page 322 this is just reports that

[3:26:38] Trustee Fast: anybody can read them and but they put them out quarterly so you know what's

[3:26:44] Trustee Fast: going on and you can see what's happening with all the covenants and

[3:26:48] Trustee Fast: property management and the changes and all that kind of thing so I think we're

[3:26:56] Trustee Fast: up to 112 protected properties and all of these are on the website too you can

[3:27:02] Trustee Fast: explore them over there and anybody got any questions about the Conservancy

[3:27:08] Trustee Fast: report I might not be able to answer them if it's about this is page 322 to

[3:27:16] Trustee Fast: 324 no 13.1 is the topic so I'm moving on to the applications report 325

[3:27:27] Trustee Fast: questions for the planner while she's available to answer them these are all

[3:27:34] Trustee Fast: All the different applications are still in process, and of course we dealt with some

[3:27:39] Trustee Fast: of them today, like HODP 2022.3, Hornby

[3:27:47] Voice 5: Island Housing Society.

[3:27:48] Voice 15: Actually, I'd like to know about the HOSCP 2022.7, the building.

[3:27:59] Voice 15: Is that going to be the...

[3:28:00] Voice 15: I hear it's like a huge budget, like $6 million for a...

[3:28:07] Voice 15: This

[3:28:07] Voice 5: is the community vegetable production?

[3:28:08] Voice 5: Yeah,

[3:28:09] Voice 15: is that for the commercial? Is that the commercial kitchen that's going to be built?

[3:28:13] Voice 15: Do you know anything about that?

[3:28:14] Voice 15: No, I don't.

[3:28:15] Voice 15: Okay, I can find out tomorrow. Will you or we don't?

[3:28:18] Voice 19: Well, no, I just, in my understanding, it's more than a kitchen.

[3:28:23] Voice 19: I think it's, you'd want to call it more like a food processing plant.

[3:28:28] Voice 15: Okay, let's say

[3:28:29] Voice 15: for a community vegetable production.

[3:28:31] Voice 19: Yeah, I think in terms of creating a commercial space for people who might want to do something like

[3:28:35] Voice 19: Kathy Silvay's type business and stuff like that. So I think they don't want it to be

[3:28:42] Voice 19: categorized in with kitchen necessarily because it's not like some bond might rent to do buns,

[3:28:49] Voice 19: it's more to do with processing food from gardens into a marketable product.

[3:28:54] Trustee Fast: Washing packages.

[3:28:55] Voice 19: Yeah, that type of thing.

[3:28:57] Voice 19: And the certification

[3:28:58] Voice 19: involved and meeting standards maybe to have some of those products leave the island.

[3:29:03] Voice 19: And

[3:29:03] Voice 18: I understand the grant that they received from the National Bureau of Ag was $500,000.

[3:29:08] Voice 15: Oh, $500,000. I heard some $6 million. It's funny how that...

[3:29:11] Voice 18: Yes. Well,

[3:29:13] Voice 18: they may need to fundraise for other sources,

[3:29:14] Voice 15: but that was...

[3:29:15] Voice 15: No, they actually

[3:29:16] Trustee Fast: got $6 million.

[3:29:17] Voice 15: Okay.

[3:29:18] Trustee Fast: That's exciting. But you can

[3:29:20] Trustee Fast: also contact planner Stephen Ball about that.

[3:29:23] Trustee Fast: Yeah, thanks.

[3:29:24] Voice 15: Alex.

[3:29:25] Voice 15: All right, that's all.

[3:29:26] Trustee Fast: Okay. Any more? Okay.

[3:29:28] Trustee Fast: Okay. Then hearing nothing, I'm going to move on. The trustee and local expense report there is on page 330. Any questions for the planner?

[3:29:39] Trustee Fast: Okay. Checkmark. Adopted policies and standing resolutions. These are here for our reference during the meeting, so I don't expect any questions there.

[3:29:49] Trustee Fast: there. We didn't pass any new ones today. Local Trust Committee web page, I just have

[3:29:57] Trustee Fast: this on all agendas.

[3:30:01] Trustee Fast: I don't think anything happens with this one, right?

[3:30:03] Trustee Fast: So we'll just keep mentioning it to make sure people know that it's a possibility.

[3:30:07] Trustee Fast: Top priorities and projects list, 14.1 and 14.2.

[3:30:10] Trustee Fast: We've adjusted those already, so I'm going to put check marks beside them

[3:30:13] Trustee Fast: unless anybody's got a problem.

[3:30:16] Trustee Fast: Then I'm into information items, so I just put these down here for members of the public

[3:30:20] Trustee Fast: and for the next LTC to see the SeaDuck Atlas, which has markings all around.

[3:30:28] Trustee Fast: That's great.

[3:30:29] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[3:30:29] Trustee Fast: And so you know that sea ducks are a feature, and that there are people

[3:30:35] Trustee Fast: beginning to take care of managing them. Climate projections reports, just so we

[3:30:39] Trustee Fast: can see about the hotter, drier summers and things like that. We'll talk about

[3:30:42] Trustee Fast: water today for example. Community Stewardship Awards announced there.

[3:30:50] Trustee Fast: Conservancy Current Campaigns, I've just put down a fundraising link if you know

[3:30:54] Trustee Fast: somebody who wants to make a donation to leave funding towards a towards nature on an island

[3:31:01] Trustee Fast: somewhere that's a way to do it and um candidates elections that's almost updated today and then

[3:31:10] Voice 22: is there a bunch of money somebody's going to give to us well this

[3:31:13] Trustee Fast: happened recently remember

[3:31:16] Trustee Fast: it was a gentleman who'd come for summers on hornby who um in his will uh this was in

[3:31:24] Trustee Fast: It might even be in that issue on the back page.

[3:31:27] Trustee Fast: There was a gentleman with an interesting name.

[3:31:31] Trustee Fast: Tempest, right?

[3:31:32] Voice 18: 10% of his estate agreed by TC, which will be put toward conservation on Harvey Island.

[3:31:37] Trustee Fast: Yeah, that's right.

[3:31:38] Voice 10: Oh, who's that?

[3:31:39] Trustee Fast: William Tempest.

[3:31:40] Voice 18: Bill Tempest.

[3:31:41] Voice 10: Never

[3:31:41] Trustee Fast: heard of him.

[3:31:42] Voice 10: Never heard of him.

[3:31:43] Trustee Fast: No, he's one of these quiet people who apparently came here every summer for years.

[3:31:47] Trustee Fast: I wonder if Mark knows.

[3:31:49] Voice 15: anyway

[3:31:50] Trustee Fast: I just wanted to that's the kind of thing that people do if you spread

[3:31:56] Trustee Fast: the word and but if so that's why I put it in here and so oh we've got the

[3:32:05] Trustee Fast: September Trust Council meeting coming up electronically and then the treaty

[3:32:11] Trustee Fast: with Comox First Nation that uh is the 29th September 29th zoom right no

[3:32:18] Voice 15: is

[3:32:19] Trustee Fast: it a different

[3:32:19] Trustee Fast: one we

[3:32:21] Voice 15: don't know oh sorry no

[3:32:25] Trustee Fast: today that one you said just

[3:32:27] Voice 7: need to put that in yeah okay yeah I

[3:32:30] Trustee Fast: think we put it that's the same so

[3:32:31] Trustee Fast: upcoming meetings um uh that's um the next rip we've

[3:32:36] Trustee Fast: got the the one that Heather is going to arrange which is the community consultation meeting

[3:32:40] Trustee Fast: and then we've got our next regular meeting of this LTC will be Friday

[3:32:45] Trustee Fast: November 25th and maybe we'll be the same people around the table and maybe

[3:32:49] Trustee Fast: not and but the meeting is scheduled rather never regardless because the

[3:32:54] Trustee Fast: business goes on and the community will have their say and then I'm going to ask

[3:33:02] Trustee Fast: somebody to make the motion to close the meeting who'd like to read it I

[3:33:07] Voice 15: move that the

[3:33:08] Voice 15: meeting be closed to the public in accordance with community charter part

[3:33:11] Voice 15: Part 4, Decision 3, Section 91, A, D, and

[3:33:17] Voice 20: F, for

[3:33:19] Voice 15: the purpose of considering A, appointment of advisory planning commission members, board of areas members, and D, adoption of the in-camera meeting minutes dated May 6, 2022, June 2, 2022, and F, by law enforcement, and that recorders attend the meeting.

[3:33:37] Trustee Fast: Okay, so thank you. Do I have a seconder? Thank you. And all those in favor? Okay, the meeting is closed to the public. All the public have left. And I'm going to stop. Should I stop the recording?

[3:33:50] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[3:33:51] Trustee Fast: Yes, I'm going to stop the recording now.