Gambier Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 14, 2022

[0:00:05] Trustee Stamford: So how many people do we have registered?

[0:00:10] Planner McCargar: It's not a registered thing.

[0:00:13] Trustee Stamford: We've got eight participants so far.

[0:00:17] Planner McCargar: Just two attendees I'm seeing here.

[0:00:22] Planner McCargar: Oh, here we go.

[0:00:23] Planner McCargar: People are coming in.

[0:00:24] Voice 13: And I've just verified that the stream is working.

[0:00:29] Voice 13: Super.

[0:00:31] Voice 13: It's the little things.

[0:00:35] Voice 13: It's nice when at least some of them go right.

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[0:00:40] Planner McCargar: should we just wait maybe a couple of minutes for people to get all signed on and

[0:00:45] Planner McCargar: to

[0:00:45] Trustee Stamford: filter in yeah yeah and so as long as

[0:00:47] Trustee Stamford: people can hear that we're we're just waiting so they

[0:00:50] Trustee Stamford: know yeah

[0:00:59] Voice 13: and jean seems to be there but no i don't see video at the moment i'm having some

[0:01:07] Voice 11: trouble

[0:01:07] Voice 14: let's

[0:01:09] Voice 11: try coming in again okay we

[0:01:25] Voice 13: lost one of our attendees we had five now we have four

[0:01:28] Voice 13: can they

[0:01:43] Voice 14: see us yep

[0:01:45] Trustee Stamford: they should okay so we're just waiting a few minutes and um until we sure

[0:01:52] Voice 14: everybody can come in i

[0:02:16] Voice 13: suppose worst comes to worst if jean can't get her video going at least

[0:02:22] Voice 13: her audio is working so yeah you know we can we can do that if needed

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[0:02:33] Voice 11: computer has um has a protective um slide on it for the for the um just to protect

[0:02:43] Voice 11: it's a new computer so it has these things so

[0:02:50] Planner McCargar: are are we ready i think we're ready yeah we can get

[0:02:53] Planner McCargar: started um there could be other people watching live like they have the option to either join us

[0:03:00] Planner McCargar: or just watch so that could be people doing that or maybe people will filter in kind of as we go

[0:03:05] Planner McCargar: here. But I'll get started. Thank you all for joining us this evening for the virtual community

[0:03:12] Planner McCargar: engagement event for the Gambier official community plan and land use bylaw targeted

[0:03:17] Planner McCargar: review project. I just want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able

[0:03:24] Planner McCargar: to gather today in locations across the traditional territory of the Coast Salish people.

[0:03:29] Planner McCargar: I'm Marlis McCarger, Gambier Island planner and lead on this project.

[0:03:34] Planner McCargar: I'm joined today by Gambier Island trustee Kate Louise Stanford and the project consultants from Bayshore Planning.

[0:03:42] Planner McCargar: We have Sharon Horsburgh, Jean Porteus and Serena Claver.

[0:03:49] Planner McCargar: So the event is being live streamed and recorded for those who are unable to attend this evening.

[0:03:53] Planner McCargar: The recording will be available on the Islands Trust website in the next couple of days.

[0:03:59] Planner McCargar: currently we've muted everyone's mic to ensure that there are no audio disruptions during the

[0:04:03] Planner McCargar: presentation however if you have any questions during the presentation please raise your digital

[0:04:08] Planner McCargar: hand and you'll be promoted to speaker and you can ask your questions when we get to the q a portion

[0:04:15] Planner McCargar: of the meeting which will kind of break up the presentation and do some q a as well if you'd

[0:04:21] Planner McCargar: like to speak again just raise your digital hand you can do this by clicking on the hand icon in

[0:04:26] Planner McCargar: and your webinar controls at the bottom of your screen.

[0:04:31] Planner McCargar: And when we call your name,

[0:04:33] Planner McCargar: the Zoom administrator will enable you to speak

[0:04:35] Planner McCargar: and you'll be asked to unmute your mic.

[0:04:38] Planner McCargar: So we appreciate your understanding.

[0:04:40] Planner McCargar: If there's any technical challenges, we apologize,

[0:04:44] Planner McCargar: but it looks like things are running smoothly for now.

[0:04:47] Planner McCargar: So we'll begin the presentation.

[0:04:51] Planner McCargar: I'm just gonna do a share screen here

[0:04:54] Voice 15: and everyone can see the welcome slide here.

[0:05:06] Planner McCargar: all right so i'll just hand it over to trustee stanford good

[0:05:10] Trustee Stamford: evening everyone i would just like

[0:05:12] Trustee Stamford: to begin this meeting by acknowledging that we are here on to alt nautch and we are privileged

[0:05:19] Trustee Stamford: to live in the traditional and unseated territory of the squamish people let's move to the next

[0:05:28] Trustee Stamford: slide good

[0:05:31] Voice 3: evening everyone uh my name is sharon hosborough i'm with bayshore planning services

[0:05:36] Voice 3: and the consultant on this project.

[0:05:39] Voice 3: And I'm just going to go through the agenda for this meeting

[0:05:44] Voice 3: and basically just to talk about who we are

[0:05:49] Voice 3: and the meeting format, which Marlis has just touched on.

[0:05:54] Voice 3: We're going to provide a brief presentation

[0:05:58] Voice 3: and then we're going to have three workshop question periods

[0:06:02] Voice 3: where people can ask questions

[0:06:05] Voice 3: and provide input. And this Zoom session will be recorded. So there will be a record of the

[0:06:13] Voice 3: community input. And then we'll move to next steps. And Marlis will wrap up with next steps.

[0:06:23] Trustee Stamford: Okay. So I'm just going to do a little bit of background because I have been working on this

[0:06:30] Trustee Stamford: the longest, over three terms now. I'll just go into why we're here a little bit.

[0:06:39] Trustee Stamford: Most communities in BC have what is called an official community plan. It's the long-term

[0:06:45] Trustee Stamford: vision of how, in our case, islanders see their community developing or, we're lucky enough to

[0:06:53] Trustee Stamford: say, not developing. A good example is that our current official community plan maintains that

[0:06:59] Trustee Stamford: that Gambier shall continue to maintain its remote access by not having a car ferry.

[0:07:04] Trustee Stamford: So that's in our official community plan.

[0:07:06] Trustee Stamford: Then the land use bylaw would say how we're not doing that.

[0:07:13] Trustee Stamford: Generally, the OCP should be reviewed every 10 years or so.

[0:07:16] Trustee Stamford: And Gambier has not been looked at for about almost 20 years now.

[0:07:21] Trustee Stamford: So it's in need of updating specific areas, technical language,

[0:07:25] Trustee Stamford: but most importantly, around First Nations recognition and reconciliation,

[0:07:30] Trustee Stamford: because First Nations are not mentioned in our current official community plan whatsoever.

[0:07:37] Trustee Stamford: In 2014, there was a bid process for two proposed logging leases in the northeast part of Gambier.

[0:07:44] Trustee Stamford: This galvanized the communities around the island to ask for better forest ecosystem protection.

[0:07:49] Trustee Stamford: protection. Those logging leases were put on hold, but these are some of the resulting actions

[0:07:56] Trustee Stamford: that came out of that situation. Although the local trust committee has limited authority

[0:08:03] Trustee Stamford: to determine the use on Crownland, which is our wilderness recreation zone in the middle of the

[0:08:11] Trustee Stamford: island, the Gambier Island Conservancy did request that the zone be reconsidered and strengthened as

[0:08:19] Trustee Stamford: much as possible to safeguard the forest. It's on private land that the local trust committee has

[0:08:26] Trustee Stamford: the most ability to influence protection and over the years it's this land that is seeing the most

[0:08:32] Trustee Stamford: clearing whether in the forestry zones areas or in the residential areas. Similarly it's the

[0:08:40] Trustee Stamford: hotter drier summers, the heat dome last year and the increased threat forest fires that has built

[0:08:47] Trustee Stamford: the awareness of around the community of the importance of waterways and especially the

[0:08:52] Trustee Stamford: marine foreshore community docks as a unique island asset has been included to ensure that

[0:08:58] Trustee Stamford: the most appropriate zoning is in place but they are the authority of other entities so in 2017

[0:09:06] Trustee Stamford: there was a survey that was sent out to everyone on the island and the results of that mostly

[0:09:12] Trustee Stamford: followed these general lines of interest. And that is why we are targeting these particular

[0:09:20] Trustee Stamford: topics today. So then I'd like planner, geez, I can't read it, McCarla, to go into what we're

[0:09:31] Trustee Stamford: doing in the current period right

[0:09:33] Voice 14: now. Yeah,

[0:09:41] Voice 15: I think Sharon, did you want

[0:09:43] Planner McCargar: to talk about the

[0:09:44] Planner McCargar: work that that you've done so far we've so uh since as you can see on the slide here um

[0:09:52] Planner McCargar: 2018 to 2020 the project was put on hold and then just uh june of 2022 we've hired bay shore

[0:10:01] Planner McCargar: planning services to begin the the second phase of this project which is really around the community

[0:10:07] Planner McCargar: engagement and so that's kind of where we're we're at now and sharon can can talk a little bit more

[0:10:13] Planner McCargar: detail about the work that they've done in the last couple of months.

[0:10:16] Voice 3: Sure thanks Marlis. So

[0:10:20] Voice 3: following the work that came out of the working group there was some creation of a community map

[0:10:28] Voice 3: and a physical map of Gambia and so we'll be touching on these as we move through the

[0:10:33] Voice 3: presentation and I was remiss in not introducing Serena Cleaver who's one of our consultants and

[0:10:42] Voice 3: Jean Porches who's one of our consultants and we've been working together on putting together

[0:10:48] Voice 3: a communications and engagement plan and that has consisted of a mail out to all

[0:10:58] Voice 3: property owners on Gambia Island to make them aware of this process and we've also prepared

[0:11:05] Voice 3: an online survey that is available on the project website and we've also met with the

[0:11:15] Voice 3: Gambier Island Working Group and we've had one meeting to date and there's two more meetings

[0:11:21] Voice 3: planned as we move through this process with the completion of the online survey and to just report

[0:11:29] Voice 3: out on the engagement findings from this process and in addition to this I'd just like to ask

[0:11:37] Voice 3: Marla's if she's just able to provide an update on First Nations engagement as well because this is

[0:11:44] Voice 3: also part of this process to engage with Squamish First Nations.

[0:11:49] Planner McCargar: Yeah thanks Sharon. So a big part

[0:11:52] Planner McCargar: of this process is looking at First Nations engagement. Staff at Islands Trust have been

[0:11:58] Planner McCargar: working with staff at Squamish Nation to try and set up quarterly meetings regarding the project so

[0:12:06] Planner McCargar: they've they've agreed and would like to join in on quarterly meetings but just due to staff

[0:12:12] Planner McCargar: turnover with both organizations and capacity issues the meetings haven't been coordinated

[0:12:18] Planner McCargar: as of yet so we're still in discussions on trying to set that up and see that as you know a really

[0:12:25] Planner McCargar: integral part of this process at bare minimum and we're hoping to do much more than bare minimum

[0:12:32] Planner McCargar: but bare minimum would be referring the amended bylaws to Squamish Nation once the first draft

[0:12:40] Planner McCargar: has been created but we're really looking to go above and beyond that and do some early and

[0:12:45] Planner McCargar: meaningful engagement at this stage so we're yeah looking forward to being able to set up meetings

[0:12:51] Planner McCargar: and hear more from the nation.

[0:13:00] Voice 3: Okay, so I touched on the community map

[0:13:05] Voice 3: and this is an example of the work

[0:13:07] Voice 3: that came out of the working group

[0:13:09] Voice 3: in that just to give a sense of the size of Gambia

[0:13:14] Voice 3: and the number of communities that are on the island,

[0:13:20] Voice 3: this map helps to show where the main concentration

[0:13:26] Voice 3: of the population on Gambia resides and also it shows the vastness and just the topography of the

[0:13:35] Voice 3: island as well and it shows also the trail and road system that exists on the island and you

[0:13:44] Voice 3: can just see by you know the northern part of the island how spread out it is and that part of

[0:13:53] Voice 3: of what makes Gambia unique is the fact that it's water access only. And many of the communities

[0:14:01] Voice 3: are concentrated around those main areas that have community docks. And that's the main point

[0:14:09] Voice 3: of access. So this is a really good visual for seeing what areas are also protected. And you

[0:14:23] Voice 3: and is protected and the other areas that are in green um consist of crown lands with the forestry

[0:14:33] Voice 3: areas that um kate louise had mentioned earlier so this this is a good example of the work that

[0:14:40] Voice 3: has come out of the working group and is going to be useful in looking at future zoning and

[0:14:47] Voice 3: and where areas could be looked at for potential changes to zoning if needed.

[0:15:00] Voice 3: So this next slide is for Serena.

[0:15:04] Voice 3: Serena was going to touch on the different levels of policy change

[0:15:10] Voice 3: that can affect a zoning bylaw.

[0:15:15] Voice 6: Sure. Thank you, Sharon.

[0:15:16] Voice 6: So for everyone's memory, I'm Serena Claver.

[0:15:19] Voice 6: I'm one of the planning consultants working with Bayshore Planning.

[0:15:23] Voice 6: I also have the privilege of having once worked with the Islands Trust to do have a level of practical knowledge.

[0:15:32] Voice 6: Ultimately, as a practicing planner, whether for the Islands Trust or any other local government or consultancy,

[0:15:41] Voice 6: we're always looking to see what tools we can compile and, in essence, to effect change.

[0:15:50] Voice 6: you know that's that is the in broad strokes the application of the planning profession

[0:15:58] Voice 6: and ultimately it's really driven from legislation the local government act as well as community

[0:16:05] Voice 6: charter and for the islands trust specifically the local government act and so when we're

[0:16:11] Voice 6: conceptualizing how we go about creating change as we've got listed on this slide we have three

[0:16:21] Voice 6: different essentially three different categories around advocacy and education and that really

[0:16:27] Voice 6: comes with the relationship building that we have in the community with community members

[0:16:31] Voice 6: relationship building and education with other levels of government

[0:16:36] Voice 6: government, community groups, ultimately there is,

[0:16:42] Voice 6: you know, community, the sustainability and resiliency

[0:16:46] Voice 6: in the community, it really does thrive

[0:16:48] Voice 6: when there's strong community groups.

[0:16:51] Voice 6: And also just to mobilize information,

[0:16:56] Voice 6: ultimately that does need to come through

[0:16:58] Voice 6: that educational channel.

[0:17:00] Voice 6: So that's always kind of a core function,

[0:17:06] Voice 6: in planning and then there's also the greater like regulatory aspects when it comes to

[0:17:12] Voice 6: policies and land uses so when we're speaking policies we often are referring to the official

[0:17:17] Voice 6: community plan because ultimately those policies need to be established to guide how we can then

[0:17:24] Voice 6: extract um direction to to move towards change to then the technicalities and a land use bylaw

[0:17:32] Voice 6: um so specific to the islands trust um you know there's the islands trust act which really is

[0:17:40] Voice 6: this guiding mandate as well as legislation that all local governments do need to follow under the

[0:17:47] Voice 6: local government act um and then from that you know the islands trust definitely has a unique

[0:17:53] Voice 6: position with the islands trust act with the policy statement so essentially we're we're

[0:17:58] Voice 6: speaking broadly, and it kind of just keeps distilling and filtering down to how that

[0:18:02] Voice 6: actually then impacts the community at the ground level. So Islands Trust Act, Local Government Act,

[0:18:08] Voice 6: we also have the Islands Trust Policy Statement, which has been worked on for the last number of

[0:18:15] Voice 6: years. And then specific to Gambier Island, we have the official community plan. Again,

[0:18:22] Voice 6: Again, Trustee Stamford previously mentioned that broader vision and then ultimately how things are done, how uses are, is in the land use bylaw.

[0:18:37] Voice 6: So, yeah, these are kind of some more technical terms or definitions of what an official community plan versus what a land use bylaw is.

[0:18:46] Voice 6: is um because ultimately there's very frequently there's a disconnect um as to how how the two

[0:18:56] Voice 6: interplay i think we're moving along a little little fast i don't know if i'm supposed to

[0:19:00] Voice 6: speak a little faster here but um ultimately i think that really touches on the fact that

[0:19:06] Voice 6: uh you know how that all comes into play and ultimately uh why we're looking at both an ocp

[0:19:14] Voice 6: end land use bylaw technical review, because there is a direct relationship between the strategy

[0:19:21] Voice 6: and then how it translates into the actual land uses. So I can stop there.

[0:19:28] Voice 14: Did you want to show

[0:19:30] Voice 15: the questions now? Should

[0:19:35] Planner McCargar: we use this

[0:19:35] Voice 15: time? Yeah, so we

[0:19:37] Planner McCargar: just have a couple

[0:19:38] Planner McCargar: of little videos that I think do a really great job of illustrating what an OCP is and what it

[0:19:45] Planner McCargar: can do and then also what a land use bylaw or zoning bylaw can do so i'll cue those up and

[0:19:51] Planner McCargar: they're just really short just a couple minutes long why

[0:19:56] Voice 1: is this park here and not there why does

[0:20:00] Voice 1: this trail exist how about those houses who decided they should go there or that this farm

[0:20:05] Voice 1: should go here and where are things going in the future well to find the answers to questions like

[0:20:12] Voice 1: these and more you can turn to this the official community plan or ocp for short it's a document

[0:20:18] Voice 1: that guides how the couch and valley's electoral areas evolve and develop in the future so how does

[0:20:24] Voice 1: it work well the ocp starts with a vision and goals it tries to answer the important questions

[0:20:30] Voice 1: like where do the next 5 000 people live how do we provide good jobs in our region and how do we

[0:20:35] Voice 1: adapt to more extreme weather resulting from climate change the resulting goals include things

[0:20:40] Voice 1: things like manage growth holistically, protect water quality and quantity, or strengthen

[0:20:45] Voice 1: our food and agricultural systems for food security.

[0:20:48] Voice 1: From there, the OCP lays out objectives and policies to achieve these goals.

[0:20:52] Voice 1: For example, let's take the goal strengthen our food and agricultural systems for food

[0:20:57] Voice 1: security.

[0:20:57] Voice 1: To achieve that goal, we've written objectives such as preserve and protect agricultural

[0:21:02] Voice 1: land for agricultural purposes, and increase residents growing food.

[0:21:05] Voice 1: food.

[0:21:06] Voice 1: We've also written policies supporting new technologies being used in our agriculture

[0:21:10] Voice 1: to make it more viable and sustainable.

[0:21:12] Voice 1: All this establishes our intentions for what we want for our area.

[0:21:17] Voice 1: From there, we set regulations such as the zoning bylaw to get into the finer details

[0:21:21] Voice 1: and implement these goals.

[0:21:23] Voice 1: If you're a real keener, we've made another video on this topic.

[0:21:26] Voice 1: There is another important part of an OCP, land designation.

[0:21:31] Voice 1: There are certain goals that are different depending on location.

[0:21:34] Voice 1: Coastal lands might have different considerations from agricultural lands.

[0:21:38] Voice 1: Rural neighborhoods need different policies compared to commercial areas,

[0:21:41] Voice 1: and some areas will be far more suitable for new development than others.

[0:21:45] Voice 1: So, with that in mind, the OCP sorts all the lands in the electoral areas into categories

[0:21:50] Voice 1: of designations such as residential, commercial, parks, and agricultural.

[0:21:55] Voice 1: Each one of those designations will have their own policies which will then be reinforced with

[0:21:59] Voice 1: zoning regulations.

[0:22:00] Voice 1: At the end of the day, an OCP addresses the big challenges a community or region faces

[0:22:05] Voice 1: and allows us to coordinate our efforts and investment.

[0:22:08] Voice 1: And that really pays off.

[0:22:10] Voice 1: For example, the many multi-use trails we have in the Cowichan Valley are, in large

[0:22:14] Voice 1: part, due to policies in our OCP that called for these trails to be built.

[0:22:19] Voice 1: And that's just scratching the surface.

[0:22:20] Voice 1: There is a lot going on in this document, so maybe check it out sometime.

[0:22:24] Voice 1: It makes for great bedside reading material.

[0:22:26] Voice 1: material. Most importantly, the official community plan is a living document that gets updated

[0:22:32] Voice 1: from time to time to make sure it continues to reflect public interest and the values

[0:22:36] Voice 1: of the community. With that in mind, the Cowichan Valley Regional District is asking for your

[0:22:40] Voice 1: input as it modernizes its official community plan. To learn more, check out our website

[0:22:48] Voice 1: This

[0:22:55] Planner McCargar: one is a video on a zoning bylaw, so I'll hit play here.

[0:23:02] Planner McCargar: Everyone could hear the sound, right?

[0:23:05] Voice 1: A lake next to a landfill.

[0:23:07] Voice 1: A winery next to a sewage plant.

[0:23:10] Voice 1: A music festival next to a library.

[0:23:14] Voice 1: These are not very good ideas.

[0:23:17] Voice 1: And that is why we have zoning bylaws.

[0:23:19] Voice 1: The regulations for what you can build where.

[0:23:21] Voice 1: How does it work?

[0:23:22] Voice 1: Well, check out this map of the Kaohsiung Valley.

[0:23:25] Voice 1: All the land and properties here have been categorized into zones.

[0:23:28] Voice 1: There are residential zones, commercial zones, agricultural zones, industrial zones, and

[0:23:33] Voice 1: many many others.

[0:23:35] Voice 1: Together, all these zones create a zoning by-law.

[0:23:37] Voice 1: The regulations for what you can develop inside each zone.

[0:23:41] Voice 1: They include regulations around what land uses are allowed, how tall buildings can be,

[0:23:45] Voice 1: the density of development, and where buildings can be located.

[0:23:48] Voice 1: Zoning exists to ensure that each property is built to be compatible with its surroundings

[0:23:53] Voice 1: and to help areas function better as a community.

[0:23:55] Voice 1: For example, our residential zoning bylaws make sure that we have nice places to live

[0:23:59] Voice 1: in the Cajun Valley.

[0:24:00] Voice 1: By regulating what uses are allowed, we can make sure that noisy or 24-hour activities

[0:24:05] Voice 1: aren't taking place next to people's bedrooms.

[0:24:07] Voice 1: By regulating the amount of density each property has, we can make sure we don't overwhelm

[0:24:12] Voice 1: our roads with too much traffic.

[0:24:13] Voice 1: But on the flip side, allowing for more density helps us create more compact and walkable

[0:24:18] Voice 1: neighborhoods that ensures our region has enough housing for everyone.

[0:24:22] Voice 1: Ultimately, these regulations are intended to help us see the bigger picture.

[0:24:26] Voice 1: To create a community where land, buildings, and people don't exist in isolation, but

[0:24:31] Voice 1: coexist to add up to a much greater whole.

[0:24:33] Voice 1: And that sounds like a pretty good idea.

[0:24:37] Voice 1: The CVRD's zoning bylaws are guided by a larger vision and policy document called the

[0:24:41] Voice 1: official community plan to learn more about it check out this other video we made so i thought

[0:24:54] Planner McCargar: you know it's much more of an urban setting than gambier with those videos are focused on but

[0:24:59] Planner McCargar: i think it still does kind of give a good overview of of what an official community plan is and the

[0:25:05] Planner McCargar: diff the difference between the two did you have anything else to add on that slide serena

[0:25:13] Voice 6: no i i just i think we've got it in this slide here that uh there's it sometimes also references

[0:25:20] Voice 6: as a zoning bylaw but just for the sake of clarification the island's trust always uses

[0:25:25] Voice 6: land use bylaw so yeah no i'll pass it over to sharon so

[0:25:35] Voice 3: basically um uh trustee stanford

[0:25:40] Voice 3: touched on this at the beginning so why are we updating the lcp in 2022 and essentially um based

[0:25:49] Voice 3: on the feedback from the survey, there was four main areas that triggered the need to review the

[0:25:59] Voice 3: OCP in 2022. And this ties in with the unique environment of Gambia and that it's a heavily

[0:26:11] Voice 3: trees uh waterfront accessed island that is is basically got a very um dominant shoreline and

[0:26:21] Voice 3: and so it's quite rugged and with that um there's um significant environmental considerations

[0:26:30] Voice 3: with the shoreline and the forestry that help with um you know address climate change heavily

[0:26:37] Voice 3: treat areas as shady typically and you know it with the heat dome that was experienced last year

[0:26:46] Voice 3: and with you know storm events severe storm events that we're witnessing these things have to be

[0:26:53] Voice 3: reflected in the OCP and so in addition to that there's also sea level rise so some of the lower

[0:26:59] Voice 3: areas of Gambia eventually you know we're going to see impacts on those areas with buildings that

[0:27:07] Voice 3: are very close to the waterfront and so it makes it makes a good opportunity to look at are the

[0:27:14] Voice 3: setbacks realistic given the changes in climate that we're experiencing and also as we move

[0:27:22] Voice 3: towards reconciliation with First Nations we need to look at is the OCP position to respond to

[0:27:32] Voice 3: reconciliation and are the ways that indigenous interests can be brought into the OCP.

[0:27:40] Voice 3: And I touched on this earlier, but there's certainly a very strong relationship between

[0:27:45] Voice 3: climate change, protecting forest lands, and also looking at shoreline protection.

[0:27:52] Voice 3: And so this can have implications for water access and, you know, for development around the shoreline.

[0:28:02] Voice 3: And so one of the things that can come out of the OCP review is to look at existing forest lands that are on private property.

[0:28:16] Voice 3: um right now there's really no way to limit um removal of forests from private properties

[0:28:24] Voice 3: and in some circumstances it's necessary you know to to remove some trees in you know if they're

[0:28:32] Voice 3: dangerous or they're diseased but for the most part um private lands are seeing um tree removal

[0:28:40] Voice 3: to accommodate new buildings which you know that that's part of having private property however

[0:28:48] Voice 3: setback requirements right now around shorelines for example apart from Breguet Bay is 15 meters

[0:28:57] Voice 3: and so with development permits which look at property development a development permit would

[0:29:09] Voice 3: be necessary to remove things like trees and to develop close to shorelines and through the

[0:29:17] Voice 3: OCP process there could be a review of those current regulations to see if they're still

[0:29:23] Voice 3: effective. So this slide looks quite dense but essentially what it does is it breaks down the OCP

[0:29:33] Voice 3: and looks at the target topic areas that we're talking about,

[0:29:37] Voice 3: which is forest ecosystem protection,

[0:29:40] Voice 3: archaeological and cultural site protection,

[0:29:44] Voice 3: shoreline protection and shoreline access to docks.

[0:29:48] Voice 3: So right now, you know, for forest ecosystem protection,

[0:29:55] Voice 3: we're concerned about the vulnerability of logging on.

[0:30:00] Voice 3: private lands. For crown lands, that's regulated through the province of BC. And as Trustee

[0:30:10] Voice 3: Stanford mentioned, those woodlots are right now on hold. So there's no further, without

[0:30:22] Voice 3: consultation, nothing is really going to happen with those particular leases without significant

[0:30:28] Voice 3: consultation. So really, in order to address private lands, we need to look at, are the

[0:30:38] Voice 3: existing development permit areas appropriate to protect some of the sensitive ecosystems on the

[0:30:47] Voice 3: island? We can do this through a number of measures through education and advocacy policies.

[0:30:53] Voice 3: And one example of this would be the UNESCO Biosphere Project, which is ongoing right now, and Trustee Stanford has done significant work in this area.

[0:31:06] Voice 3: In addition to that would be the change of zoning, which occurred, I think, in 2014, where the woodlots now have got a wilderness conservation designation.

[0:31:20] Voice 3: So that changes what the land use designation was originally, which would have been forestry.

[0:31:31] Voice 3: But now it helps educate people and the community about the value that these areas are in terms of wilderness and the unique ecosystem that exists within those forest lands.

[0:31:48] Voice 3: And with archaeological and cultural site protection, this ties in with reconciliation and ways that we can look at reconciliation and to hear from First Nations communities such as the Squamish and look at decolonising some of the language within our policies

[0:32:13] Voice 3: to reflect the changes that we've seen over the last few years and heritage conservation areas

[0:32:23] Voice 3: we're seeing um more and more of these uh in park lands changing names that kind of thing

[0:32:29] Voice 3: acknowledging um areas of cultural significance um so you know these are things that we can look

[0:32:37] Voice 3: at as a community and in communications with First Nations. Shoreline protection,

[0:32:45] Voice 3: again that ties in with protecting forestry on private lands. This helps to control erosion

[0:32:55] Voice 3: and address climate change and storm surges and helps with the heat dome to maintain as much tree

[0:33:02] Voice 3: cover as possible um so looking at shoreline development permits which essentially would

[0:33:09] Voice 3: would um look at um setbacks from the um the shoreline um on a on a property so that

[0:33:19] Voice 3: there could be more protection of sensitive um ecosystems within private lands right now i know

[0:33:27] Voice 3: within inside the island itself in some of the private in the forest lands the riparian area

[0:33:37] Voice 3: regulation applies and so there's setbacks from streams for 30 meters so there's a inconsistency

[0:33:48] Voice 3: between setback areas and quite often development permit areas in many communities now are moving

[0:33:55] Voice 3: towards a 30 meter setback from the intertidal zone. So again, I mean we've seen on some of the,

[0:34:07] Voice 3: there's a map further down in this presentation that identifies some of the conservation areas

[0:34:14] Voice 3: that are within the intertidal zone, rock cod conservation areas for example, clam beds, clam

[0:34:21] Voice 3: clam bed protection. And these have come about through consultation with First Nations, because

[0:34:28] Voice 3: in many cases, it's part of their food source. And so we need to look at how we can protect that

[0:34:38] Voice 3: in conjunction with discussions with First Nations. And another issue that

[0:34:46] Voice 3: has come up is access to the island in terms of shoreline access. Community docks, is there

[0:34:55] Voice 3: enough docks on the island for people to access their properties? Private moorages, we're seeing

[0:35:02] Voice 3: more and more that private moorage regulations are being more restrictive. Is this something

[0:35:08] Voice 3: that's appropriate for Gambia? These things can be looked at as part of the OCP process.

[0:35:15] Voice 3: You know, and things that have been done is establishing designated areas for public docks and I know there's some Community docs on on Gambia that are specifically designated for that purpose.

[0:35:29] Voice 3: And in terms of private mortgages, I mean, is it something that we want to look at is to advocate for for more regulations around private mortgages.

[0:35:42] Voice 3: so these these are the kinds of things that this process is designed to do is to explore

[0:35:47] Voice 3: opportunities for better access and to look at private moorages and to discuss you know

[0:35:55] Voice 3: are there enough and or do we want to see more restrictions similar to what has been occurring

[0:36:01] Voice 3: on Keats Island so I think that just covers that's the four different areas but I would

[0:36:09] Voice 3: advise because as we move through this presentation there's going to be an opportunity to ask

[0:36:15] Voice 3: questions so we might just want to think about what are the issues for people that have properties

[0:36:23] Voice 3: and recreate on Gambia and those people that live there full-time as well and this is our first

[0:36:30] Voice 3: opportunity to hear from our audience so I'm going to turn it over to Serena because I know Serena

[0:36:36] Voice 3: to facilitate this part of the presentation.

[0:36:41] Voice 6: Sure. Thank you, Sharon. That was a perfect segue.

[0:36:45] Voice 6: So, so far, you know, we've heard multiple times reference to the OCP

[0:36:52] Voice 6: and the land use bylaw, the intent of this target review,

[0:36:57] Voice 6: and that we're focusing on essentially four key areas.

[0:37:03] Voice 6: I was hoping we could bring that slide back up.

[0:37:06] Voice 6: that would be helpful um but ultimately you know sharon just thankfully went into great depth of

[0:37:12] Voice 6: what those four areas are and uh essentially areas that we could review and and and some

[0:37:20] Voice 6: some strategies that could potentially be implemented or or integrated into the ocp and

[0:37:25] Voice 6: and eventually into the land use bylaw considering you know taking in consideration there is there is

[0:37:30] Voice 6: quite a process to that um but like considering these four areas you know we've we've we did uh

[0:37:39] Voice 6: put together a survey um which is uh we'll kind of um touch on that a little bit later but

[0:37:46] Voice 6: ultimately of these four um areas of forest ecosystem protection i'm just going to repeat

[0:37:53] Voice 6: them because i think that would be helpful shoreline protection we have shoreline access

[0:37:58] Voice 6: access to docks, and archaeological and cultural heritage protection, my first question is really

[0:38:08] Voice 6: just kind of starting pretty broad. And for those that are interested to share of what

[0:38:14] Voice 6: your perceived priority areas under each of these sections are, where you have concerns,

[0:38:22] Voice 6: things that you're, you know, you're taking notice and you're wondering about and how that relates.

[0:38:28] Voice 6: um you know to the islands trust jurisdiction so yeah essentially what are your what are your

[0:38:36] Voice 6: concerns and your your priorities when it comes to these four areas so just going to maybe give

[0:38:42] Voice 6: you a moment to kind of think think about that and if anyone has um any questions comments

[0:38:49] Voice 6: or would just like to maybe explore the conversation around um those areas i'd love

[0:38:55] Voice 6: to just open up the dialogue to anyone that's interested libby

[0:38:59] Voice 13: has her hand up so i'll just

[0:39:01] Voice 13: promote her please

[0:39:02] Voice 6: should

[0:39:07] Voice 13: just take a moment libby if you want to just unmute your microphone

[0:39:21] Voice 12: um yeah just uh unfortunately you have the chat function closed so i couldn't figure out how to

[0:39:26] Voice 12: get on um but uh the question i had and i may have missed it at the beginning um is i i understand

[0:39:34] Voice 12: understand very well what OCP is and all of that and I understand the target areas that you've

[0:39:40] Voice 12: selected based on all the consultation thus far but I did have a question about sort of urgent

[0:39:48] Voice 12: versus non-urgent there are some issues on Gambia Island that are more urgent like access to public

[0:39:54] Voice 12: docks I for one am very concerned that unless we get the public access sorted out what we're doing

[0:40:01] Voice 12: is by default where we are promoting an island that relies more and more on expensive private

[0:40:10] Voice 12: access which means it's less accessible to average people of average income one of the great things

[0:40:16] Voice 12: about this island is that it has been more accessible to you know average people even

[0:40:22] Voice 12: though it's getting more expensive so i'd be curious to know if if the ocp can facilitate

[0:40:28] Voice 12: facilitate kind of shorter term more urgent solutions to the OCP as opposed to longer term

[0:40:37] Voice 12: issues that obviously need a lot of discussion um so I don't I hope that's clear where I'm coming

[0:40:44] Voice 12: from but just curious as to the range of the timing here thank you yeah

[0:40:52] Voice 6: thank you for your

[0:40:53] Voice 6: question um uh I I can start I'm sure that there's going to be others that probably have

[0:40:59] Voice 6: something to say. Ultimately the OCP being a long-term vision isn't a short-term responsive

[0:41:10] Voice 6: kind of strategy. It's still very important that it's embedded because you know when we're looking

[0:41:17] Voice 6: at you know establishing solutions or making changes or just cross-referencing as to what

[0:41:25] Voice 6: should be prioritized and whatnot and how if something is proposed whether or not it's

[0:41:29] Voice 6: congruent with what the the community wants and needs it does need to be in the ocp um i would

[0:41:38] Voice 6: say probably for a sense of urgency it you know it needs to be also in the the land use bylaw

[0:41:44] Voice 6: because that's used every single day and and referred to but also really in in in advocacy

[0:41:50] Voice 6: channels um so really you know prioritizing you know essentially what community group what

[0:41:58] Voice 6: stakeholders what levels of government um need to be involved in the conversation around um access

[0:42:04] Voice 6: to public docs and you know for those those uh for the time and effort we put into it so i'm not

[0:42:13] Voice 6: directly answering your question but i essentially it needs to be embedded into all three but um i'm

[0:42:18] Voice 6: I'm happy to hand it over to either Sharon or Marlis, if you'd like to, or even Trustee

[0:42:24] Voice 6: Stamford, if you want to add to the conversation.

[0:42:28] Voice 3: I see Trustee

[0:42:29] Trustee Stamford: Stamford's hands up.

[0:42:31] Trustee Stamford: Yeah, just briefly.

[0:42:33] Trustee Stamford: I mean, I know this is a huge concern on the island and that there's several different

[0:42:39] Trustee Stamford: issues revolving around our public docks.

[0:42:42] Trustee Stamford: So really, the OCP can only speak to those broader questions.

[0:42:46] Trustee Stamford: and are it are our policies tight enough to protect public access to those docks and how

[0:42:55] Trustee Stamford: does that translate into the zoning is the zoning then tight enough but the vast majority of work

[0:43:00] Trustee Stamford: that we can do in order to protect those docks is through advocacy and then through the actual

[0:43:06] Trustee Stamford: owners uh supporting um public ownership of those docks and that is done primarily through the the

[0:43:15] Trustee Stamford: the regional district and through the First Nations.

[0:43:19] Trustee Stamford: So that's the role that I see our OCP taking.

[0:43:24] Trustee Stamford: And unfortunately, it is a bit of a backseat role in terms of our specific issue.

[0:43:30] Trustee Stamford: But we want to make sure that everything's as tight as it can be to protect those unique communities.

[0:43:37] Trustee Stamford: And then we'll keep moving forward with the regional district and with the Sklomish Nation.

[0:43:42] Trustee Stamford: I

[0:43:44] Voice 13: think Ruth has a question, so I'll promote her. And Ruth, if you can, there you go, you're unmuted.

[0:44:07] Voice 4: Hi, thank you. Thanks. Yeah, I have a few comments and questions. I'm wondering if you could put the

[0:44:17] Voice 4: four identified areas slide on? Oh, there it is. Yeah, okay. And I understand that this came as

[0:44:28] Voice 4: as a result of a survey.

[0:44:32] Voice 4: So comment that I have around forest ecosystem protection,

[0:44:35] Voice 4: I think an issue that is really on people's minds

[0:44:39] Voice 4: is wildfire.

[0:44:42] Voice 4: And there are communities all around House Sound

[0:44:47] Voice 4: that have received large amounts of money

[0:44:49] Voice 4: for fire smart protection.

[0:44:53] Voice 4: So I am concerned a little bit about fire,

[0:44:57] Voice 4: obviously in our community of Brigade Bay and there has been a fire recently

[0:45:01] Voice 4: that was a reminder that these things happen so I'm just I have nothing to say

[0:45:08] Voice 4: about one way or the other about fire smart but I I know that that's got to be

[0:45:12] Voice 4: an issue that I don't see has has come up at all the other thing is that the

[0:45:20] Voice 4: the vision mission vision for the island um ocps have vision statements and wonder at which stage

[0:45:28] Voice 4: you're addressing that where where does where is that coming into this process

[0:45:36] Voice 4: um my other point is that uh the timing of what you're calling consultation uh with squamish

[0:45:45] Voice 4: nation is really feels like it's off um in that the island has uh there's been some changes with

[0:45:56] Voice 4: regards to land transfers on the island over to the nation and i think it's really personally

[0:46:04] Voice 4: feel it's really important for uh the nation to um share or you know as much as they're willing to

[0:46:13] Voice 4: too, but a vision for the land as well helps to set context for the rest of us.

[0:46:22] Voice 4: This is very driven, this conversation is driven by a survey of people, but it's not

[0:46:28] Voice 4: necessarily, we're not kind of getting that other vision of biodiversity protection, like

[0:46:37] Voice 4: like habitat loss, important sensitive ecosystems on the island have to influence

[0:46:48] Voice 4: this OCP very much. And those are all big conversations, but I'm just not sure if this

[0:46:57] Voice 4: process is going to carry on through to change without those other very important bigger picture

[0:47:09] Voice 4: conversations of vision from the nation and other First Nations that have rights around the

[0:47:17] Voice 4: land and waters, as well as sort of an education around the sensitive ecosystems and important

[0:47:23] Voice 4: habitats on the island. You mentioned climate change, but you don't mention biodiversity loss

[0:47:30] Voice 4: loss and habitat loss which is an equal threat and Gambier Island has a lot of data missing in

[0:47:39] Voice 4: regards to what the significance of the habitats on the island anyway that's those are my comments

[0:47:50] Voice 4: well

[0:47:53] Voice 6: first off I want to say thank you I think that that was a pretty fulsome response and pretty

[0:47:58] Voice 6: important um facets to to be reminded of and for us to consider um i'm not trying to defer

[0:48:05] Voice 6: responsibility but i know that i'm not the best person to kind of follow up with that so i i will

[0:48:10] Voice 6: kind of hand it over to marlis or trustee stanford to see if they have any comments um or sharon if

[0:48:17] Voice 6: she feels that she wants to as well yeah

[0:48:22] Planner McCargar: i can just make a comment about um the squamish nation

[0:48:26] Planner McCargar: engagement. And, you know, I said at the beginning that we do see this as a really integral part of

[0:48:32] Planner McCargar: this project. We, I kind of see it as two, it's, you know, it's one process, but we're consulting

[0:48:39] Planner McCargar: the Gambier community. And then we also, I agree, need to hear from Squamish, we need to hear their

[0:48:46] Planner McCargar: vision. And we're working, we're working to engage with them. So we're just kind of at a bit of a

[0:48:54] Planner McCargar: standstill with that but it's um it's it's not it's always sort of top of top of mind and they

[0:49:01] Planner McCargar: you know they have they're really busy and have a lot of of big projects on the go so it's just been

[0:49:07] Planner McCargar: been tough um getting them you know getting them into a meeting but we it's it's not that we we

[0:49:14] Planner McCargar: don't see that it's important we we definitely see it as a a major major um party in this yeah

[0:49:22] Voice 4: Yeah. If I could just ask the question then, in terms of timing, is the OCP

[0:49:31] Voice 4: timing subject to the engagement with First Nations?

[0:49:39] Planner McCargar: Well, there's large parts of this

[0:49:43] Planner McCargar: targeted review that we wouldn't be able to complete if we weren't able to engage with

[0:49:49] Planner McCargar: squamish yeah so it would be stalled in that case okay

[0:49:55] Voice 4: thanks and just just one other comment i just

[0:49:58] Voice 4: wanted to say is that it was a little confusing to me um about the ocp and what it encompasses

[0:50:05] Voice 4: like land use bylaws affect the lands the zoning of lands that the islands trust has authority to

[0:50:14] Voice 4: zone correct but most of the island which is as you're calling it crown land um the the ocp sort

[0:50:25] Voice 4: of looks at the vision for the whole island but has no ability to zone lands that are that are

[0:50:34] Voice 4: crown as you call correct yeah

[0:50:36] Voice 15: yeah

[0:50:40] Voice 14: trustee

[0:50:42] Voice 15: stanford did you want to chime in

[0:50:44] Trustee Stamford: well i i just

[0:50:45] Trustee Stamford: very quickly because I think there's a confusion in that wilderness conservation zone in that it

[0:50:52] Trustee Stamford: is crown land it's named that it wasn't a change in 2014 from a forestry zone it was a very

[0:51:01] Trustee Stamford: carefully constructed name by the original community that put together the original OCP

[0:51:09] Trustee Stamford: but it doesn't really state what that area is because there's sort of a misunderstanding that

[0:51:19] Trustee Stamford: it is wilderness recreation and in actual fact it's crown land with purview of the province and

[0:51:27] Trustee Stamford: squamish nation and it's it's forestry so we need to be more clear on what what that is so i think

[0:51:35] Trustee Stamford: I just want to make sure that people understand that wasn't a change in 2014 on that zone.

[0:51:44] Voice 6: Serena here, I'm just going to make one quick comment about in reference or response to that.

[0:51:49] Voice 6: And in essence, you know, when we're looking at an OCP, it has to take a very holistic lens.

[0:51:56] Voice 6: So all encompassing, regardless if there's First Nations lands or Crown lands, there'll be policies that speak to those facets of the community and the interrelationships or, you know, interconnected relationships of all the islands.

[0:52:16] Voice 6: um but yeah ultimately you know it it needs to encompass it all um also recognizing yes

[0:52:24] Voice 6: that the islands trust may not have jurisdiction to impose land use uh bylaws on some of the lands

[0:52:32] Voice 6: so yeah it can get confusing um and our intent is is to try and clarify where we can so

[0:52:40] Voice 6: So even to a planner, I get confused sometimes.

[0:52:45] Voice 6: So, yeah, that's that.

[0:52:50] Voice 6: I did have a second question up.

[0:52:54] Voice 6: You know, I did speak to, you know, what do you feel needs more protection, ultimately more regulations, specifically by the Islands Trust?

[0:53:01] Voice 6: Because sometimes when we're looking at protection efforts, you know, we've mentioned forest protection and shoreline protection.

[0:53:11] Voice 6: protection um archaeological and in heritage protection um sometimes that then means more

[0:53:19] Voice 6: regulations and i would um i think it's important to acknowledge that that's not always everyone's

[0:53:28] Voice 6: interest and so um you know i just have a level of curiosity of wanting to know where some people

[0:53:35] Voice 6: feel like more protection is needed and i think a few people have already mentioned that um this

[0:53:40] Voice 6: evening and i'm also curious if there's areas um under those four categories that some feel

[0:53:47] Voice 6: need less protection or less regulation um yeah because ultimately you know through all this

[0:53:54] Voice 6: engagement process including tonight we're we're we really are trying to encompass um you know

[0:54:00] Voice 6: everyone's values and needs as to the best of her ability so yeah i'm curious if anyone has any

[0:54:08] Voice 6: any further questions or comments or feedback

[0:54:11] Voice 6: that they'd like to share around this area.

[0:54:18] Voice 6: And if not, happily can move along.

[0:54:23] Voice 13: Sorry, we've got Patrick with his hand up.

[0:54:25] Voice 13: I'll just promote him.

[0:54:26] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:54:41] Voice 13: Patrick, you'll need to unmute your mic.

[0:54:49] Voice 14: Got it.

[0:54:53] Voice 7: This question has to do with the development of the land.

[0:55:01] Voice 14: we're

[0:55:02] Voice 13: getting a lot of feedback patrick can you maybe move away from whatever computer you're

[0:55:08] Voice 13: somehow we're getting a lot of feedback i think i've got two computers in the area or something

[0:55:13] Voice 13: no no no

[0:55:14] Voice 13: how's

[0:55:20] Voice 14: that it's

[0:55:22] Voice 13: a bit better by the way

[0:55:25] Voice 7: i'm getting lots of feedback from all of you

[0:55:29] Voice 7: oh um i don't know whether it's your system or mine well

[0:55:36] Voice 13: i noticed there's two patrick

[0:55:38] Voice 13: mcdonald's so it's like you've signed in twice so

[0:55:42] Voice 14: possible i'm gonna go i'll leave this

[0:55:47] Voice 14: all

[0:55:57] Voice 13: right i know uh ruth if you what you had your hand up before if you had a really quick

[0:56:02] Voice 13: something while patrick comes back or uh

[0:56:09] Voice 4: okay thank you yeah i just i guess then i would like

[0:56:12] Voice 4: to just reiterate my area of interest in habitat protection and biodiversity conservation and the

[0:56:21] Voice 4: um i think that helping to educate and inform people as to the the sensitivity of the ecosystems

[0:56:30] Voice 4: systems on the island and with especially with the changing climate and the drier

[0:56:36] Voice 4: weather drier hotter weather weather and i know that gambier island i think is part

[0:56:43] Voice 4: is still debatable the part of the of the um bioclimatic zone that's um part of a priority

[0:56:51] Voice 4: area of for protection and i'm not sure if islanders really understand that so when it

[0:56:58] Voice 4: comes to the context of forest you know logging on your land helping to stress the importance

[0:57:07] Voice 4: like what are the ripple effects of doing that are important for me thank you

[0:57:15] Voice 4: what about patrick

[0:57:16] Voice 13: back and i'm gonna try and promote him again and see if this is a little bit better patrick can

[0:57:42] Voice 13: Can you unmute?

[0:57:43] Voice 13: There you are.

[0:57:44] Voice 13: Perfect, much better.

[0:57:47] Voice 7: So I'm not sure if my area of concern

[0:57:50] Voice 7: is within the four items identified,

[0:57:54] Voice 7: but so I reside on Long Bay

[0:58:00] Voice 7: as a recreational property, not permanent.

[0:58:04] Voice 7: And when the property was originally developed,

[0:58:08] Voice 7: It was developed under the Society Act. And the Society Act is a very, not as onerous as developing properties under, say, for example, the Strata Act.

[0:58:25] Voice 7: But what ends up happening using the Society Act to develop these properties, and it's been used multiple times, you end up with societies that basically can't generate revenue to invest in their respective societies.

[0:58:52] Voice 7: societies there's no ability to enforce payment of very small sums of money to invest in fire

[0:59:03] Voice 7: protection to invest in roadways to invest in things that are of joint interest to the community

[0:59:14] Voice 7: community and the development community uses the Society Act extensively. Now, you may

[0:59:23] Voice 7: believe that the Society Act is a useful tool if you're a developer, but I think it's

[0:59:32] Voice 7: leading to communities that are quite dysfunctional and a lack of capacity to generate revenues

[0:59:45] Voice 7: for the defined needs, fire protection and protection, being a big one.

[0:59:52] Voice 7: And I don't know whether or not that falls within the mandate.

[1:00:00] Voice 7: of the um the group hello hi

[1:00:11] Voice 6: um i'll respond um i will humbly admit i am not

[1:00:17] Voice 6: extremely knowledgeable of land development and society act probably as much as you might be and

[1:00:24] Voice 6: i would just be curious if you've you've considered like probable solutions or strategies

[1:00:32] Voice 6: that need to be considered i guess i just maybe just to kind of like elaborate a little bit more

[1:00:37] Voice 6: so we could see where this may or may not fit um or

[1:00:42] Voice 7: how it could

[1:00:42] Voice 6: fit yeah yeah so

[1:00:44] Voice 7: think think and

[1:00:45] Voice 7: this is a personal opinion um yeah so

[1:00:48] Voice 7: it's furcom and sunset we're supposed to function as one

[1:00:51] Voice 7: society there's about

[1:00:53] Voice 7: 71 properties um ranging in size i believe from three acres to five acres

[1:00:59] Voice 7: And the development community uses the Society Act to create these developments that do not have fundraising capacity to manage the development, even though, and like I mentioned, roadways, fire suppression, all sorts of other things.

[1:01:22] Voice 7: So you find active participants in the society and completely uninterested participants in the society.

[1:01:35] Voice 7: And in our society, only 50%, less than 50% oftentimes of the community is interested in the community.

[1:01:45] Voice 6: I see where you're going.

[1:01:47] Voice 6: And

[1:01:50] Voice 7: I think it's, I think the province actually has done an abysmal job of understanding what the development community normally needs.

[1:02:05] Voice 7: And it's very easy to develop under the Society Act.

[1:02:09] Voice 7: There's no, not the onerous regulations you'd have to develop properties under.

[1:02:17] Voice 7: And I'm not saying it needs to be a city model, but it creates massive problems for those that are interested in sustaining the communities.

[1:02:27] Voice 7: Can

[1:02:29] Voice 6: you name one of those problems?

[1:02:31] Voice 7: One of the problems would be the capacity to fundraise for investments in the community.

[1:02:38] Voice 6: So really, like the economical sustainability of keeping that community flourished.

[1:02:46] Voice 6: Correct.

[1:02:48] Voice 7: And the other 50% is, in our particular case, we're responsible for roadways, maintenance of roadways.

[1:02:57] Voice 7: Which

[1:02:57] Voice 6: is a large expense.

[1:02:59] Voice 7: It's a massive expense.

[1:03:01] Voice 7: And it tends to degrade over time due to the fact, and everybody uses the roadways, you know, to get from point A to point B.

[1:03:10] Voice 7: And it's a massive advantage for fire suppression.

[1:03:18] Voice 3: Patrick, I just have a question. If you have a set of bylaws that regulate the society itself,

[1:03:25] Voice 3: and if those could

[1:03:26] Voice 3: be amended to address some of those issues.

[1:03:31] Voice 7: You can address the by, you know, we could definitely address the bylaws associated with

[1:03:37] Voice 7: the function of society, no doubt about it. But there's no teeth in the Society Act for

[1:03:42] Voice 7: enforcement.

[1:03:46] Voice 3: Do you have your hand up, Trustee Stamford?

[1:03:49] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:03:50] Trustee Stamford: I was going to speak to Ruth's comment, but with Patrick, this is a concern over several subdivisions, the newer subdivisions on Gambier is their ability to be able to function and primarily along safety issues and enforce membership so that they can get paid to provide those group

[1:04:19] Trustee Stamford: community amenities so I'm not sure how it fits into the OCP in particular but I think it's

[1:04:26] Trustee Stamford: something that maybe Patrick you and I can talk on on the side and see where it does fit

[1:04:35] Trustee Stamford: because I'm not sure maybe Marlis wants to say something about how it fits into this particular

[1:04:41] Trustee Stamford: process but it is important I have heard about it quite often. The other thing I was just going to

[1:04:46] Trustee Stamford: to quickly mention is Ruth was talking about Gambier's designation in a rare forest designation

[1:04:57] Trustee Stamford: on the BC coast and that's the coastal Douglas fir ecosystem and associated forest ecosystems

[1:05:06] Trustee Stamford: so we have we're later on in our discussion here we will be talking about our discussion papers

[1:05:13] Trustee Stamford: papers and in that is is a much more fulsome description of what it means to be in that

[1:05:20] Trustee Stamford: particular forest ecosystem and why it's so valuable so we're we'll be looking at ways to

[1:05:26] Trustee Stamford: to make those more accessible and so people get a better understanding of why it's so special

[1:05:38] Trustee Stamford: marlis do you want to add anything to the societies and i i think it sounds

[1:05:43] Planner McCargar: like a bit

[1:05:43] Planner McCargar: of a side conversation as well like I don't I'm not super familiar with the Society's Act and

[1:05:49] Planner McCargar: haven't heard it as an issue so I'm glad to hear you bringing it up Patrick and I'm kind of happy

[1:05:56] Planner McCargar: to to look into it further or or talk about it on the side and I'm not clear either how it would

[1:06:00] Planner McCargar: fit into this particular project but I hear that that it's an issue. And

[1:06:05] Trustee Stamford: so Patrick you can reach

[1:06:07] Trustee Stamford: out to me or the planner or to Marlis and maybe we can talk further about it.

[1:06:14] Planner McCargar: And we'll have our contact information at the end of the presentation.

[1:06:18] Voice 7: Thank you very much.

[1:06:21] Voice 13: And Carol has her hand up, so I will promote her.

[1:06:40] Voice 14: Hi.

[1:06:41] Voice 5: I just wanted to actually speak in support of what Patrick just brought up.

[1:06:46] Voice 5: We're in Brigade Bay, and we are also under the Societies Act.

[1:06:50] Voice 5: And although our situation is actually quite different from FERCM, from the perspective of that, as a community, we have a common property that actually limits access to the community.

[1:07:07] Voice 5: So we have a bit of a hammer that allows us to get support, financial support, I would call it, from the community.

[1:07:15] Voice 5: So we have a quite different situation.

[1:07:18] Voice 5: situation however with regards to roads and that sort of thing we do spend an enormous amount of

[1:07:24] Voice 5: money every year fixing the roads and the docks but particularly the road so I would love to be

[1:07:31] Voice 5: part of that conversation and I know I've talked to Kate Louise about it a few times but it would

[1:07:37] Voice 5: be it's it's something that's definitely up it would be really interesting to see how it could

[1:07:43] Voice 5: fit into the ocp um as a as a portion of it so that's it thank

[1:07:51] Voice 14: you and

[1:07:52] Voice 13: uh we have another question

[1:07:54] Voice 13: from ruth we will move her back over hi

[1:08:09] Voice 4: thanks for uh another question it's actually yeah it's

[1:08:13] Voice 4: a question really about um estimated growth or population because in the video there was

[1:08:21] Voice 4: as examples of, and regional districts have regional growth strategies and they estimate

[1:08:28] Voice 4: what their number of people are. And it's not really clear what the number of properties are

[1:08:33] Voice 4: and the current habitation of those properties, so development stages that they're at. And

[1:08:41] Voice 4: I'm just wondering if you're going to be providing some of that information just to sort of help us

[1:08:47] Voice 4: realized that today there may be, you know, I don't know, 3,000 properties, but only 75%

[1:08:54] Voice 4: are developed. So we're actually going to be looking at, you know, this X amount of more

[1:09:00] Voice 4: development permits and people and all of that. Because I see in the time that we've been on in

[1:09:10] Voice 4: Brigade Bay, we've seen quite a significant impact from just all of the properties now

[1:09:16] Voice 4: starting to be developed? I

[1:09:19] Planner McCargar: don't have growth projections available in this presentation today.

[1:09:24] Planner McCargar: It wouldn't be difficult to get some information that just really basic information about

[1:09:29] Planner McCargar: you know number of properties and those that are developed and undeveloped

[1:09:35] Planner McCargar: but we don't have any plans to kind of go beyond that and do any more in-depth growth projections

[1:09:43] Planner McCargar: with this project so

[1:09:45] Voice 4: in in terms of not really understanding how the uh what that density or that

[1:09:56] Voice 4: additional numbers of people could look like in 10 years 15 years what the life of this next

[1:10:04] Voice 4: iteration of the ocp uh it feels like we're not getting a picture of the total risk that

[1:10:12] Voice 4: comes with all of that and so the things change when you have you go when you

[1:10:24] Voice 4: double the population of one small community and that to me impacts the

[1:10:32] Voice 4: importance of or that that helps to you know ensure that we zone properly for

[1:10:39] Voice 4: for that additional growth and that's I just curious as to how the how that's being considered

[1:10:50] Voice 4: in this planning process because fire again coming back to fire risk is the more people

[1:10:59] Voice 4: have the more chances there's going to be problems and also then the other comment I have is that

[1:11:08] Voice 4: or just something to think about is there's a provincial park on the island

[1:11:15] Voice 4: and there's properties that are adjacent to that.

[1:11:20] Voice 4: So you've got what we like to call buffer zones between an area

[1:11:28] Voice 4: that's core protected and developed area.

[1:11:33] Voice 4: And so another comment I would have is, is there a way of building in a buffering to ensure that there's a buffer between that core protected area and hopefully future protected areas?

[1:11:48] Voice 4: So that, again, that development or risks that come with additional people and additional buildings and so on, don't threaten the biodiversity of the park or the, you know, the importance of keeping it intact.

[1:12:12] Voice 4: tapped

[1:12:14] Voice 6: um i i you know i i'll let i'll probably let marlis and trustee stanford answered more of

[1:12:21] Voice 6: this but i guess something that comes to mind is i think or so it feels that you know this

[1:12:27] Voice 6: this technical review is in essence maybe trying to kind of catch up to where things have um

[1:12:37] Voice 6: needed to be maybe you know retroactively like maybe years back so taking in consideration that

[1:12:44] Voice 6: you know shoreline protection and forest protection and and access the docks all these

[1:12:49] Voice 6: you know these themes have been you know ongoing issues and you know this is to kind of catch up

[1:12:59] Voice 6: to where things are at now so moving forward and probably the broader longer term more far more

[1:13:06] Voice 6: comprehensive ocp review would then be considering that growth protection so our growth projections

[1:13:13] Voice 6: you were saying so yeah it it it doesn't at this point really take that in consideration it's kind

[1:13:20] Voice 6: of maybe what the ocp speaks to right now i don't i don't know it in and out again marlis would be

[1:13:27] Voice 6: um better at answering this question because ultimately we've been focusing on these

[1:13:32] Voice 6: four areas um and but also the piece around the buffer around the provincial park that

[1:13:38] Voice 6: could potentially go into you know um policies around development permit areas but also

[1:13:44] Voice 6: potentially there could be setback requirements so yeah these are the sort of things that we are

[1:13:50] Voice 6: looking for from the community for feedback and how we could you know build up recommendations

[1:13:57] Voice 6: and strategies for you know an eventual drafting of review OCP policies and bylaw regulations so

[1:14:08] Voice 6: we'll kind of end there in case Marlis has something to add.

[1:14:13] Voice 13: Sharon has her hand up yeah

[1:14:15] Voice 13: Yeah,

[1:14:16] Voice 3: I just put my hand up because as further to what Serena was saying, part of the review process is to look at tools that could address buffer zones and to look at existing setback areas to see if they're still reasonable given, you know, growth patterns that we see on Gambia.

[1:14:41] Voice 3: so for buffer zones that typically buffer zoning impacts different zoning areas so if you've got

[1:14:50] Voice 3: a commercial zone next to a residential zone there's usually within a zoning bylaw there will

[1:14:58] Voice 3: be a provision for a buffer zone and that can be in the form of a setback landscaping

[1:15:04] Voice 3: varies that kind of thing but given the nature of Gambia it will be interesting to look at what

[1:15:13] Voice 3: kind of buffering exists between forest lands and some of the developments within Gambia

[1:15:21] Voice 3: and if there's further growth then there is an opportunity to look at the existing

[1:15:27] Voice 3: existing um zoning bylaw to see if it if it addresses that so as we work through some of

[1:15:34] Voice 3: the technical tools that we can use to restrict um tree removal and and to look at how to protect

[1:15:43] Voice 3: properties um within a development and look at are the setbacks still reasonable so you know that is

[1:15:52] Voice 3: is part of this and and I'm glad that you brought those points forward because that helps us to look

[1:15:59] Voice 3: at what is in the existing land use bylaw.

[1:16:06] Voice 13: Libby has a question.

[1:16:28] Voice 12: Hi thank you for putting me back

[1:16:31] Voice 12: on. I don't want to go down rabbit holes or anything but I'm kind of intrigued by I think

[1:16:38] Voice 12: it's Ruth Simon and her question because I don't feel it was really answered. The question of

[1:16:45] Voice 12: of what the development potential is

[1:16:48] Voice 12: and the question of what the population potential is

[1:16:53] Voice 12: without weighing in whether it's good or bad.

[1:16:57] Voice 12: To me, it's just sort of a question.

[1:17:00] Voice 12: I'm surprised to hear that none of you feel

[1:17:04] Voice 12: that A, it can be addressed

[1:17:06] Voice 12: or that somehow it should be addressed.

[1:17:08] Voice 12: Maybe it's not explicit in the OCP,

[1:17:12] Voice 12: But isn't it implicit in every other question that's raised?

[1:17:18] Voice 12: It seems to me it intersects with every other question that we talk about.

[1:17:23] Voice 12: Of course, one would want to know just as a matter of direct information, as you're weighing up other matters and boundaries and an update of the OCP and the land use bylaw.

[1:17:38] Voice 12: wouldn't wouldn't we need to know what the development potential is as it stands now if

[1:17:44] Voice 12: we don't know that if nobody knows that if you guys don't even know that if if marlis as a staff

[1:17:50] Voice 12: person doesn't know that from the island's trust then i kind of wonder well is the information

[1:17:57] Voice 12: base really lacking uh that nobody has a handle on that kind of information so anyway just to let

[1:18:05] Voice 12: you know i thought it was a very interesting question that was posed by ruth and i thought

[1:18:10] Voice 12: the answer was um well i don't know there wasn't an answer so that makes me wonder uh what do we

[1:18:19] Voice 12: need to do about that what you know do we need to like push further and say we'd like to have

[1:18:25] Voice 12: this kind of information available is it beyond your mandate um anyway some further clarification

[1:18:31] Voice 12: would be much appreciated thanks can

[1:18:36] Trustee Stamford: i respond yeah please

[1:18:39] Voice 6: trustee stanford

[1:18:39] Trustee Stamford: okay so um great

[1:18:42] Trustee Stamford: questions and it it this is very rough because i've always had that same question myself so i

[1:18:48] Trustee Stamford: sat down with the map and i counted all our current lots um because that's what i do in an evening

[1:18:56] Trustee Stamford: um so any lot over an acre can have two homes on it roughly so that's more a little more

[1:19:06] Trustee Stamford: complicated than that but that's roughly what we're looking at gambier is part of the island's

[1:19:11] Trustee Stamford: so we're limited in in any new lots being if you're settlement residential then you've got to

[1:19:18] Trustee Stamford: to be five acres minimum um and if you're a rural residential you've got to be 10 acres minimum is

[1:19:26] Trustee Stamford: that right marlis i'm just making i'm being very rough here so looking at the current lots that we

[1:19:34] Trustee Stamford: have we have about 800 very roughly we have capacity for maybe another 200 at the very most

[1:19:45] Trustee Stamford: so we're looking at a thousand lots okay don't quote me but this is kind of the numbers we're

[1:19:51] Trustee Stamford: looking at we've got about a thousand lots potential because we've got that limit on how

[1:19:57] Trustee Stamford: big our lots or how small our lots can be therefore if every single lot had two homes on it

[1:20:05] Trustee Stamford: that was over an acre you would have about 2 000 homes on gambier the more important question is

[1:20:15] Trustee Stamford: where are those clusters of homes going to occur so that's where you have rural residential and

[1:20:23] Trustee Stamford: so your home the the land space is bigger but there's still only two homes allowed on that area

[1:20:32] Trustee Stamford: so i i don't know if that helps people any but the important part is more about how those communities

[1:20:39] Trustee Stamford: communities evolve within those zones it's not what's the total population across the island

[1:20:45] Trustee Stamford: because we're in isolated nodes so that's so for instance where we live we're in the southwest

[1:20:52] Trustee Stamford: peninsula which has a lot of tiny lots and has a lot of homes but it's pretty much built out now

[1:21:00] Trustee Stamford: so yeah that you

[1:21:02] Trustee Stamford: know that gives you a sense what it could be yep

[1:21:05] Voice 12: that is really helpful

[1:21:06] Voice 12: helpful information and I think so thank you for sharing that Kate Louise because it just wasn't

[1:21:11] Voice 12: clear and I that you know that kind of information can be more visible to people so that people have

[1:21:21] Voice 12: a handle on that otherwise I think it does create a lot of confusion and people start you know we'll

[1:21:27] Voice 12: all start speculating about what we think is going to happen when in actual fact as you say there are

[1:21:31] Voice 12: some parameters already in place so it's very helpful to know that and maybe it's part of the

[1:21:38] Voice 12: plan somewhere maybe it's already stated and we're just not seeing it um but anyway thanks for that

[1:21:43] Voice 12: i appreciate it okay

[1:21:45] Trustee Stamford: it's it's only because we're one of the islands that doesn't have density

[1:21:50] Trustee Stamford: issues and so it doesn't come to the forefront but obviously um the general population wouldn't

[1:21:57] Trustee Stamford: be aware of that whereas those of us that are working on every day are like oh yeah we know

[1:22:02] Trustee Stamford: there's not a huge density on this island nor will there ever be unless something changes in that

[1:22:07] Trustee Stamford: that crown land zone which doesn't look like it will so so anyway i don't want to keep going down

[1:22:13] Trustee Stamford: but that is helpful for the community i think to see how big it can get yeah

[1:22:19] Voice 6: i'll just say thank

[1:22:20] Voice 6: you trustee stanford and and just for clarification's sake that information does exist it just

[1:22:27] Voice 6: wasn't the core focus of what this project is right now and so I do apologize for giving that

[1:22:33] Voice 6: that perception that you know that's a lack of awareness or staff doesn't have that awareness

[1:22:39] Voice 6: it is embedded to the OCP it's always embedded it's you know we can't ignore the fact that

[1:22:45] Voice 6: development obviously has a you know an interrelationship with you know the environment

[1:22:50] Voice 6: and all the other facets of community planning so yeah but thank you for raising that question

[1:22:55] Voice 6: and yeah I don't know if Marlis did you have something that you wanted to say?

[1:22:59] Planner McCargar: Well I was

[1:22:59] Planner McCargar: just going to echo what you said that yes the information does exist I don't have it at my

[1:23:03] Planner McCargar: fingertips for this meeting and we haven't prepared a growth projection at this time but

[1:23:08] Planner McCargar: we would have the ability to look kind of do an exercise like Kate Louise did but with computers

[1:23:14] Planner McCargar: and GIS.

[1:23:16] Voice 6: Yeah and on that note I really appreciate everyone's comments and concerns and feedback so

[1:23:23] Voice 6: so far and also recognizing we have multiple more slides to go and only have 35 minutes left so I

[1:23:30] Voice 6: will kind of wrap this up and we'll proceed on to the next section

[1:23:35] Planner McCargar: one more hand I'm wondering

[1:23:37] Planner McCargar: oh

[1:23:37] Voice 6: we do okay we

[1:23:38] Planner McCargar: want to just address yeah

[1:23:40] Voice 13: sorry my apologies to

[1:23:42] Planner McCargar: say yeah

[1:23:43] Voice 13: Peter hasn't spoken yet

[1:23:45] Voice 13: so we'll okay give him a chance sorry Peter

[1:23:48] Voice 14: it

[1:23:51] Voice 13: should be moving over let's

[1:23:53] Voice 14: try again and then

[1:24:03] Planner McCargar: And we might just have to move quickly through some of the slides, but I'm really, this has been a great conversation and it's nice to be able to have some back and forth as well.

[1:24:12] Planner McCargar: So thanks to everyone who's participating.

[1:24:15] Voice 13: Maybe we'll just try allowing Peter to speak because for some reason it's not allowing me to promote him.

[1:24:22] Voice 13: So, Peter, can you unmute your mic?

[1:24:27] Voice 14: Yep.

[1:24:28] Voice 13: There we go.

[1:24:29] Voice 2: Have you got me?

[1:24:30] Voice 13: Yep.

[1:24:32] Voice 2: Okay, good.

[1:24:32] Voice 2: sorry I just joined in the last few minutes as a participant I was on the viewing code before

[1:24:40] Voice 2: so I had a couple of comments to say first of all on the issue of public access to docks which I

[1:24:46] Voice 2: think is a great one and I know the concern is the access to the existing public docks

[1:24:52] Voice 2: but since the last OCP was completed and the bylaws we now have a connected trail network

[1:25:01] Voice 2: network around the island and unfortunately a lot of this trail network is not accessible to

[1:25:08] Voice 2: the public because there are no public access docks around a good portion of the the east the

[1:25:17] Voice 2: north and the west side of the island so i'd like that to be be a point of concern i was very pleased

[1:25:24] Voice 2: to see access to public docks not just the ones that are existing but the future access now

[1:25:29] Voice 2: Secondly, on the wilderness conservation, I did listen to that conversation and I did notice, in fact, I have it in front of me, the OCP description of it before.

[1:25:39] Voice 2: And there is quite a bit of detail about what you can and can't do in a wilderness conservation zone that's actually in the OCP.

[1:25:46] Voice 2: In fact, it lists the permitted uses in there.

[1:25:49] Voice 2: there and the problem I have is I think many people is a lot of those permitted uses such

[1:25:54] Voice 2: as preservation and conservation of large areas of undisturbed open space and is not compatible

[1:26:01] Voice 2: with the sustainable harvesting of trees including woodlot and community forest and there's other

[1:26:08] Voice 2: act there's other permitted uses too that just don't seem to be compatible so that that that

[1:26:13] Voice 2: bothers me it always has bothered me and I hope that that aspect can be resolved during this OCP

[1:26:18] Voice 2: The last point I was going to make, and Kate, you were getting at it with regard to density, and I was very interested to see those figures about the potential, but you did mention the fact that there are rules and regulations concerning the size of lots that are around.

[1:26:37] Voice 2: And you did hint at the idea that there could be some changes because it seems to me, from a conservation perspective, it might be better to have more density in smaller areas rather than sprawled out properties around the private land that is currently the case.

[1:26:54] Voice 2: It might be better to have, I mean, something like the Sea Ranch is a good example, where the Sea Ranch has a large area of property and they have 66, I think, families live there, 66 residences there on that little bit of land, and yet they have a huge area outside it.

[1:27:13] Voice 2: So I think that Sea Ranch is kind of a good model. It obviously doesn't seem to fit in with the current bylaws, but it's something that might be considered for the future as we go forward with regard to protecting more of the land and leaving it in a natural state rather than developing it.

[1:27:33] Voice 2: That's all I have to say.

[1:27:35] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:27:45] Voice 14: Okay, no more questions?

[1:27:46] Voice 6: yes

[1:27:46] Voice 14: yeah I'll just

[1:27:48] Voice 14: uh yeah

[1:27:50] Voice 6: I won't necessarily respond to that um uh Peter's comments but

[1:27:54] Voice 6: essentially just I think it's you know good information for us to consider so now I will

[1:28:04] Voice 6: pass it over I believe to back to Sharon ah I think we're now as you're going to tell we're

[1:28:15] Voice 6: We're transitioning more into another core function

[1:28:20] Voice 6: of this project, taking into consideration

[1:28:24] Voice 6: archaeological and cultural site protection

[1:28:26] Voice 6: being one of the key themes that's been identified

[1:28:30] Voice 6: for this technical review.

[1:28:32] Voice 6: And yeah, I will allow Jean, I believe,

[1:28:37] Voice 6: will be taking over at this point.

[1:28:40] Voice 11: I am going to, but I guess I'll talk a bit first

[1:28:46] Voice 11: First, there is a little video, and I'm not

[1:28:50] Voice 11: quite sure how that's going to be played.

[1:28:54] Voice 6: But maybe

[1:28:55] Voice 11: if we could

[1:28:55] Voice 6: just go back to the one slide, because we quickly skipped right over that, and I don't want to go too much into it.

[1:29:02] Voice 6: But we did have a slide about the Islands Trust Reconciliation Declaration.

[1:29:06] Voice 6: And I think it's really imperative, again, as we've kind of mentioned, education.

[1:29:12] Voice 6: education um and i don't know if all community members are aware but the islands trust um

[1:29:19] Voice 6: back yeah so

[1:29:21] Voice 6: yeah as it states uh back in 2019 the islands trust adopted the reconciliation

[1:29:28] Voice 6: declaration and so this has really been integrated into um all of the islands trust work

[1:29:35] Voice 14: with the

[1:29:40] Voice 6: the work that's been done with the policy statement work that's being done with

[1:29:45] Voice 6: with all OCP, with, with, you know, staff's, you know, analysis and research they do and

[1:29:54] Voice 6: all their application work. So it really is a really core focus. And it does.

[1:30:00] Voice 6: And it does connect to what Marlis was mentioning earlier about how communications and conversation with Squamish Nation is a really integral function of this project and really all work.

[1:30:18] Voice 6: So I just wanted to highlight that.

[1:30:20] Voice 6: Sorry, hand it back to Jean.

[1:30:23] Voice 6: And we can go over to the next slide.

[1:30:25] Voice 6: And

[1:30:27] Planner McCargar: I'm just wondering, in the interest of time, if we maybe skip the video?

[1:30:32] Planner McCargar: The video, sure.

[1:30:33] Planner McCargar: If everyone's okay with that.

[1:30:36] Voice 11: Okay, so then I have a very few things, just that, as has been noted,

[1:30:44] Voice 11: IT is committed to working with the First Nations.

[1:30:49] Voice 11: And what I did, just to frame the conversation, was I went back through the slides about the

[1:30:56] Voice 11: the Planner's Toolkit. And the first item was talking about advocacy and education.

[1:31:05] Voice 11: Now, my home is, I'm a Salt Spring Islander. I've been there since 1985, come and gone a bit,

[1:31:13] Voice 11: but a long time. So I'm going to use some examples from what has been happening on Salt Spring

[1:31:20] Voice 11: Spring Island. So there's a lot of, there's a number of projects that have been undertaken

[1:31:29] Voice 11: concerning education. So you'll find murals on fencing that celebrate the Indigenous heritage.

[1:31:39] Voice 11: Along the waterfront, there are some outdoor educational stations, I guess you can call them.

[1:31:49] Voice 11: they have you know just information on what's going on. I was at a meeting oh maybe 10 years

[1:31:59] Voice 11: ago and we talked about having a museum that never came to fruition but a small museum because

[1:32:08] Voice 11: there has been a lot of archaeological work on Salt Spring Island and people are quite familiar

[1:32:15] Voice 11: with it. And there are now some more projects ongoing to celebrate the heritage. The video

[1:32:31] Voice 11: was going to talk about in some other communities on Vancouver Island, people are having street

[1:32:41] Voice 11: street names now in both the First Nations language and other languages.

[1:32:48] Voice 11: So the next item we talked about was working with updating policies.

[1:32:59] Voice 11: So, for example, and I pulled this out from Salt Spring Island, in the official community plan,

[1:33:06] Voice 11: And one of the statements is, we respect our island's human heritage, the First Nations people who lived in harmony with the land and sea, and whose traditional territory we inhabit.

[1:33:21] Voice 11: So that's the sort of thing one might see when Islands Trust staff works on the complete review of the OCP.

[1:33:31] Voice 11: As you know, this is just a targeted review.

[1:33:33] Voice 11: view um another thing the uh the final item in the toolkit was updates to land use so one area that

[1:33:46] Voice 11: some places are using uh is a one tool that people are using is called the heritage protection area

[1:33:54] Voice 11: now you know we're used to heritage protest protection areas and specific

[1:34:00] Voice 11: I've been worried about

[1:34:02] Voice 3: this all weekend, working away on this, trying to get it right.

[1:34:10] Voice 11: And so this is another tool that's come about now in Vancouver, for example,

[1:34:16] Voice 11: these heritage conservation areas are for specific areas like Chinatown and Shaughnessy

[1:34:24] Voice 11: and places like that, but it can also be apparently used to conserve natural landscapes

[1:34:30] Voice 11: or undeveloped land where it is necessary.

[1:34:35] Voice 11: And so it's trying to conserve a whole area that has heritage value.

[1:34:41] Voice 11: And I can certainly see on South Spring, because of all the archaeological work,

[1:34:45] Voice 11: where there would be areas where you would want to do that,

[1:34:50] Voice 11: like the middens that are up in the hills, et cetera.

[1:34:55] Voice 11: So that's a tool that can be used.

[1:35:02] Voice 11: And so I guess at this point, I don't want to talk anymore. I think we've talked a lot. I want to know what the people who are listening think could be done on Gambier Island.

[1:35:17] Voice 11: And what are some of the things that you want to see around Indigenous engagement?

[1:35:26] Voice 11: And, you know, as we wrote, what values and actions could be captured in the OCP?

[1:35:32] Voice 11: So I think it's important.

[1:35:34] Voice 11: This is where we would like to have feedback on what's

[1:35:37] Voice 14: important to you.

[1:35:39] Voice 14: you? I know you have that lovely glass

[1:35:50] Voice 11: plaque. And would you like more things like that?

[1:35:59] Voice 11: What else do you think would be important?

[1:36:08] Voice 6: And Jean, if you don't mind me just adding

[1:36:10] Voice 6: one thing, I think when well, you know, I know for certain having worked in with the

[1:36:16] Voice 6: Islands Trust and working in in other um islands um Vancouver Island other municipalities you know

[1:36:25] Voice 6: when we're considering all the different ways that land is you know lived on and used and appreciated

[1:36:35] Voice 6: as well as protected and conserved you know there's all these different layers of how we look

[1:36:41] Voice 6: at land and the shoreline, you know, and our efforts to be integral and to make more right

[1:36:51] Voice 6: with our relationship with First Nations. So it is a very layered and complex conversation,

[1:37:00] Voice 6: but really this is an opportunity for some dialogue and not just, you know, imposed ideas,

[1:37:09] Voice 6: is you know being um planning consultants and and community members that don't necessarily live on

[1:37:15] Voice 6: the island but really just wanting to know like what how the community is framing reconciliation

[1:37:20] Voice 6: and how they want to see that um you know integrated into into the ocp and who you know

[1:37:29] Voice 6: and potential land use bylaws and how land is and isn't um lived on and used so libby

[1:37:38] Voice 13: has her hand

[1:37:38] Voice 13: end up and i'm just kind of allowed to talk instead of promoting because it moves a little

[1:37:42] Voice 13: more quickly thank

[1:37:44] Voice 12: you uh thank you can you hear me okay yep yes okay um i i think um reconciliation

[1:37:53] Voice 12: is really important um and i think there's a lot of work that needs to be done to understand what

[1:38:00] Voice 12: that really is um from my own perspective i think it's really important that we move beyond symbols

[1:38:07] Voice 12: um and get into a process of dialogue like meaningful genuine dialogue um it has to be a

[1:38:16] Voice 12: sort of a two-way street so to speak and i think it was noted earlier when questions came up um that

[1:38:24] Voice 12: this ocp depends partly on the the rapport and the dialogue with the squamish nation

[1:38:33] Voice 12: and so i think a very real question because it was sort of presented in a sideways way but

[1:38:40] Voice 12: i got the understanding from listening to the response from i think i think it was a staff

[1:38:46] Voice 12: person that their capacity the school mission nation capacity to engage is very limited so i

[1:38:54] Voice 12: think you know a very real part of reconciliation is understanding realistically what is that

[1:39:01] Voice 12: dialogue going to be and um you know but we have to have realistic non-indigenous people have to

[1:39:09] Voice 12: have realistic expectations about what it's going to be so i'm not it's not really a question it's

[1:39:15] Voice 12: just an observation you know so yes reconciliation is important but how does it happen is it really

[1:39:21] Voice 12: just at a staff to staff level is it at a community to community level um you know from

[1:39:29] Voice 12: people to people um like for this island to the Squamish nation um so I I just I in my own way

[1:39:38] Voice 12: I just want to be realistic I don't want to have kind of crazy wild expectations of what we think

[1:39:44] Voice 12: the Squamish nation should be doing but at the same time I do think a dialogue is important so

[1:39:50] Voice 12: that we can we can understand that so I don't know if I'm making any sense here but um I do

[1:39:57] Voice 12: do think it's an important question thank you thank

[1:40:00] Voice 14: you i

[1:40:06] Voice 15: i really appreciate what you've said

[1:40:08] Planner McCargar: libby um and i i think that you're you're right like we we need to put aside our expectations

[1:40:14] Planner McCargar: and our timelines and um there's a lot of relationship building and a lot of healing

[1:40:20] Planner McCargar: that that needs to take place and i think that it's on a lot of different levels i think it's

[1:40:26] Planner McCargar: the community level i think it's it can happen you know the staff to staff level

[1:40:30] Planner McCargar: and then I think that there's also our elected officials and their chief in council I think that

[1:40:35] Planner McCargar: that's a level that relationship building can happen as well but I yeah I think that you said

[1:40:42] Planner McCargar: it really beautifully there so thanks for your comment.

[1:40:46] Voice 13: Peter has his hand up so I will allow

[1:40:48] Voice 13: him to

[1:40:48] Voice 14: talk you can unmute Peter. Okay sorry about that there

[1:41:02] Voice 14: you go anyways

[1:41:02] Voice 2: I was going to talk

[1:41:03] Voice 2: briefly about the indigenous heritage aspects and just based on my experience being a property owner

[1:41:13] Voice 2: oceanfront property owner that has a has a dock and i have a lease a water lease and that water

[1:41:20] Voice 2: lease is only good for a certain number of years at least was and the last time i had it reviewed

[1:41:24] Voice 2: which was about eight years ago i was told that i had to go through the squamish nation and the

[1:41:30] Voice 2: reason I had to go through them was they wanted to do an archaeological assessment. So I suspect

[1:41:36] Voice 2: that particular process is ongoing around the island to those that have private docks,

[1:41:41] Voice 2: which means the Squamish nation probably has, hopefully has, some useful information with

[1:41:48] Voice 2: regard to their various heritage sites. The second point is that about two years ago when I had a

[1:41:56] Voice 2: volunteer group marking out a new trail through the property that belongs to the Camp Furcombe.

[1:42:04] Voice 2: One of the people, university people, was an expert and claimed he was an expert in archaeology

[1:42:10] Voice 2: and he came across a tree, a big fir tree, not a, sorry, a big cedar tree that he felt was

[1:42:18] Voice 2: culturally modified and he showed me the various aspects which he claimed were indications of it

[1:42:24] Voice 2: having been culturally modified so that's something else that we might be looking for

[1:42:29] Voice 2: i think our archaeological heritage from the first nations is if we can find any evidence of these

[1:42:37] Voice 2: culturally modified trees that's

[1:42:44] Voice 14: all i have to say marlis did you want to

[1:42:56] Voice 14: yeah did i can't see

[1:42:57] Voice 14: who's

[1:42:58] Voice 6: got a hand up someone wanted to make a comment about justice

[1:43:01] Voice 11: yeah

[1:43:02] Voice 6: oh

[1:43:03] Trustee Stamford: i i just want to

[1:43:05] Trustee Stamford: to add um i think there is a huge amount of story and data out there that we are just slowly becoming

[1:43:14] Trustee Stamford: aware of for gambier um they're the capacity of the squamish nation and their challenges

[1:43:23] Trustee Stamford: equally challenged by our our staff at for at finals trust so it's a bit of both when we talk

[1:43:31] Trustee Stamford: about capacity. But part of that is Squamish Nation staff have been coming over to the island

[1:43:39] Trustee Stamford: and recognizing so many artifacts that are actually beyond the shoreline and coming up

[1:43:46] Trustee Stamford: into the streams. It's been fascinating and also we happen to have retired archaeologists on this

[1:43:55] Trustee Stamford: island with a vast amount of data and I'm just going to be speaking to her and some other

[1:44:01] Trustee Stamford: community members who um have a lot of information to provide us and i think that we'll really be

[1:44:07] Trustee Stamford: able to flesh out um what we what we can know and not know just from the archaeological point of

[1:44:14] Trustee Stamford: view let alone all the other layers that i think most of the community is excited about

[1:44:20] Trustee Stamford: being able to access and learn about and develop a much more richer appreciation of

[1:44:28] Trustee Stamford: of all the Coast Salish peoples, as well as them,

[1:44:33] Voice 14: the

[1:44:34] Trustee Stamford: Squamish Nation.

[1:44:35] Trustee Stamford: So I think we're just beginning to delve into a much deeper understanding

[1:44:42] Trustee Stamford: of what's been happening.

[1:44:45] Voice 13: Ruth has her hand up.

[1:44:50] Voice 4: Yeah, thank you again.

[1:44:52] Voice 4: Yes, I think that there's a lot that can be done

[1:44:58] Voice 4: and would love to see more ways of just helping people learn.

[1:45:08] Voice 4: The reconciliation can start with language, acknowledging place names.

[1:45:13] Voice 4: And I think the sign at New Brighton is a good welcome sign to Ch'ontlitch.

[1:45:22] Voice 4: I think there's a lot of reconciliation stories going on around the island

[1:45:27] Voice 4: and that can be shared, especially with the welcome poll at Camp Furcombe,

[1:45:32] Voice 4: that even in this presentation here, why not use imagery that is from the island itself?

[1:45:40] Voice 4: Because we've got signs.

[1:45:43] Voice 4: We've also just at the Provincial Park with the biosphere,

[1:45:48] Voice 4: we've just put in an interpretive sign that actually starts to tell a little bit of the story.

[1:45:52] Voice 4: and um so some time ago i know that trustee stanford and rogers invited uh was a council

[1:46:00] Voice 4: to council event where we had all the squamish nation um council come to new brighton and that

[1:46:08] Voice 4: was a terrific event so personally i'd love to see that extended that invitation extended again

[1:46:14] Voice 4: in and for the community to be invited in this time so lots of room for that plus the other

[1:46:23] Voice 4: thing I wanted to say is that erosion due to sea level rise and wave action is starting to expose

[1:46:30] Voice 4: a lot more layers of the story and it was Greg Morrissey that was at New Bright or at

[1:46:38] Voice 4: at Halcott Bay Provincial Park that was able to just be able

[1:46:43] Voice 4: to share so much of the archeology that was very visible

[1:46:47] Voice 4: and also helping people understand the importance

[1:46:51] Voice 4: of those archeological sites.

[1:46:56] Voice 4: Provincial Park could start being with a good example

[1:47:00] Voice 4: because they actually have a campsite

[1:47:02] Voice 4: right on a very well-defined archeological site in the area.

[1:47:09] Voice 4: which hasn't been remedied, so where are those other really important sites that we should

[1:47:18] Voice 4: regard as, well, heritage is the word, but lots of opportunity for education, and maybe this,

[1:47:26] Voice 4: as I said, this engagement process could be sharing some of the actual

[1:47:32] Voice 4: real stories that we have going on. Thanks. Okay,

[1:47:40] Voice 14: that's it for questions.

[1:47:41] Voice 14: Okay, so I shall

[1:47:48] Voice 3: take it from here. In the essence of time, we can probably, I'm just going to skip through these slides quickly.

[1:47:58] Voice 3: So further to what Ruth was just saying about the shoreline, this shows the areas and the variety of shoreline on Gambia.

[1:48:14] Voice 3: and um basically and that is as pretty much dictated where most of the development is and

[1:48:21] Voice 3: it's in the the low-lying areas on the south south end of the island and recognizing that

[1:48:28] Voice 3: there is areas on the uh house sound side that also has quite a bit of development

[1:48:33] Voice 3: so if we just can move to the next slide this actually is mapping that was done

[1:48:42] Voice 3: through the working group and this map was created to emphasize areas to protect the

[1:48:54] Voice 3: marine habitat and the biodiversity of the island and so this map just maps out all the sensitive

[1:49:04] Voice 3: ecosystems that are on Gambia. Just to give you an overview of some of the policies and

[1:49:14] Voice 3: regulatory tools that can be used on protecting these areas, this is what this exercise with

[1:49:24] Voice 3: reviewing the OCP and the land use bylaws is about. It's how we can better protect these areas

[1:49:30] Voice 3: and identifying those locations that need to be better protected.

[1:49:36] Voice 3: We talked, it was mentioned just earlier about the provincial marine park.

[1:49:42] Voice 3: These areas are protected.

[1:49:44] Voice 3: They're marine parks and they're recognized for their ecological values.

[1:49:50] Voice 3: And so for that reason, these areas cannot be developed.

[1:49:55] Voice 3: and existing development that's there must be done in conjunction with, to recognize that these are highly sensitive ecosystems.

[1:50:05] Voice 3: And, you know, having this information at our fingertips helps to craft where the development should occur on the island.

[1:50:16] Voice 3: And where you have sensitive ecosystems, this is where you can make your regulatory tools use best practices to help protect these areas.

[1:50:30] Voice 3: So, for example, right now, the shoreline has 15-metre setbacks.

[1:50:37] Voice 3: So within that 15 metres, any kind of tree cover has to be protected or a development permit is required that requires an environmental impact assessment for any development.

[1:50:51] Voice 3: So if that area is increased, that means that now you've got a 30-metre assessment area.

[1:50:58] Voice 3: And if there's significant trees or stream cover, then there has to be provisions to mitigate any environmental impacts that may arise through a potential development.

[1:51:11] Voice 3: Or if there's any plans to put additions in or additional accommodation, then it has to be done in conjunction with an environmental impact assessment.

[1:51:25] Voice 3: And part of the regulatory framework now with the province is that if there's any area that has archaeological artifacts that could potentially be within the 20 meter setback, then a study for that is required.

[1:51:50] Voice 3: So the more requirements you put onto land requires more study, and that then can help better inform what ecological assets are on the island and within the shoreline area.

[1:52:09] Voice 3: area so if we if we can move on okay so um so basically the map that i just showed um just

[1:52:19] Voice 3: outlines some of those ecologically sensitive areas and so if we've got some time to just do

[1:52:27] Voice 3: some questions that would be good just to find out what people's thoughts are around how they

[1:52:33] Voice 3: would like to see Gambia Island shoreline protected in the future. We've talked about

[1:52:40] Voice 3: increased development, and we know that with population growth, we're going to see increased

[1:52:46] Voice 3: development. What

[1:52:47] Voice 3: we'd like to find out from you in the next few minutes is what you would like to

[1:52:54] Voice 3: see in terms of measures to protect the shoreline in the future. Ruth has her hand up. Go ahead,

[1:53:03] Voice 13: yeah

[1:53:04] Voice 4: thank you um so the question is what other uh protection measures but um what

[1:53:14] Voice 4: what i guess when i'm again there's not quite enough information here to go on because sea

[1:53:22] Voice 4: level rise has been mentioned but there's no information as to where are the areas that are

[1:53:29] Voice 4: most impacted um how what are the assumptions for sea level rise that islands trust is using

[1:53:36] Voice 4: for gambier island so it would be helpful to be able to comment with you know more information

[1:53:44] Voice 4: in that regard also i just want to i have to say this but the ecological mapping map i'm not sure

[1:53:52] Voice 4: i'm sort of hoping that's not the only map you're using for planning because um first of all it

[1:54:00] Voice 4: seems to be out of date uh it is out of date and it's you said this was done by the working group

[1:54:08] Voice 4: so i just sort of see a lot of areas that are important to note so

[1:54:13] Planner McCargar: it was done um that came

[1:54:16] Planner McCargar: out of suggestions from the working group but the mapping was done by our gis team okay so

[1:54:25] Voice 4: So is this it?

[1:54:28] Voice 4: I'm just sorry, but there's, again, when we're using a map to share where the ecologically sensitive areas are, but it doesn't include all of those areas, it would make sense to me, for instance, around, I can, you know, just looking at Brigade Bay, there's eelgrass and cotton bay of eelgrass has been planted in those areas, and that's not showing up.

[1:54:52] Voice 4: don't seem to have the the breakwater so there's a number of things that i'm seeing there and

[1:54:58] Voice 4: there's also the marine reference guide that provides so many layers of data um around the

[1:55:04] Voice 4: shoreline um

[1:55:06] Voice 3: there there are other mapping tools um that can be used to overlay this the province

[1:55:12] Voice 3: has an excellent reference to eelgrass beds and clam beds. So there's different tools

[1:55:23] Voice 3: out there to gather data on what is out there. This one, this map, for example, you know,

[1:55:32] Voice 3: it just highlights some of the ecological assets on the island. But in terms of doing

[1:55:42] Voice 3: an in-depth study there's other tools that can be drawn upon to better inform future development

[1:55:49] Voice 3: this would not be what um you do this is just a very general overview map um so i i hear what

[1:55:58] Voice 3: you're saying um now in terms of climate change now there's you know there's steep slopes and

[1:56:05] Voice 3: those low-lying areas and specific studies would have to be done to identify areas that are subject

[1:56:13] Voice 3: to erosion and i'm not sure that this um the ocp review has gone into that level of detail

[1:56:21] Voice 3: with the islands trust but the province has done extensive work in doing sea level rise studies to

[1:56:30] Voice 3: to identify areas that are impacted by sea level rise.

[1:56:37] Voice 3: And it's typically the low line areas,

[1:56:39] Voice 3: but also erosion impacts some of the shorelines as well,

[1:56:46] Voice 3: the softer shorelines.

[1:56:48] Voice 3: I don't know whether that helps just provide

[1:56:53] Voice 3: more information in terms of accessing data.

[1:56:56] Voice 3: data.

[1:57:01] Voice 13: Okay, Ruth has her hand

[1:57:02] Voice 4: up again. Your mic's still active, Ruth.

[1:57:06] Voice 4: Okay, thank you. No, I'm very

[1:57:08] Voice 4: familiar with all the different mapping layers, and that's why I brought it up. But it's really

[1:57:16] Voice 4: important, I think, for us to be aware of the Long Bay wetland nature reserve and the vulnerability

[1:57:24] Voice 4: for sea level rise so you're asking a question what what needs to be put in place uh what do

[1:57:30] Voice 4: we think needs to be put in place in terms of zoning and protections and it would it would be

[1:57:36] Voice 4: uh valuable for everybody to understand those areas that um are going to be underwater before

[1:57:44] Voice 4: for too long and so the long bay wetland is um you know uh extremely vulnerable to uh well we've had

[1:57:56] Voice 4: an example it's not proven yet but it's just as an example that there seems to have been some

[1:58:01] Voice 4: drainage could be caused by a residential property it's not proven but that just brought up the

[1:58:10] Voice 4: the awareness to me of zoning properties accurately maybe it's too late because the

[1:58:18] Voice 4: development's already done but they're already there but if there's any chance in the future

[1:58:23] Voice 4: of flagging areas that if if they were developed could have a significant impact on the ecology

[1:58:32] Voice 4: of some of these sensitive areas and i'll just one last thing is the reason i keep bringing up

[1:58:40] Voice 4: the eelgrass that was planted at brigade bay is because it's not showing up there and um it's

[1:58:47] Voice 4: again property owners if it's not showing up on these maps then property owners can argue that

[1:58:53] Voice 4: therefore they they don't need to worry about it steve

[1:58:59] Voice 13: stanford you had a comment well

[1:59:02] Trustee Stamford: i just think

[1:59:02] Trustee Stamford: I'm hearing that we need a better map. And this map was created by things that the working group

[1:59:14] Trustee Stamford: said, oh, we need this, we need that. So it wasn't comprehensive. But I think part of what we can

[1:59:20] Trustee Stamford: work towards is mapping that better reflects what the community is looking for. And I know this is

[1:59:30] Trustee Stamford: what GIS has and they probably didn't have the new plantings and how they would get that data.

[1:59:39] Trustee Stamford: I know they can go through the marine reference guide, but that's not how our mapping works.

[1:59:47] Trustee Stamford: So what I'm thinking of is how we can make that work a little bit better,

[1:59:52] Trustee Stamford: so that their information is that much more relevant and new, so we can have this brought in.

[2:00:00] Trustee Stamford: And what I would like to see is, yeah, let's put the flooding. I think we had the flooding in. And then somebody said, that's not accurate. So we pulled it up and didn't put it in. But maybe we need to look at more relevant data to put it back in again.

[2:00:17] Voice 13: Peter has his hand up. Go ahead, Peter.

[2:00:22] Voice 13: I

[2:00:23] Voice 2: got a brief because I've got to leave, but I would like to see some effort made to consider

[2:00:29] Voice 2: anyways, preserving the big old trees that are on private land. There's a number of them across

[2:00:36] Voice 2: the land. And as Trustee Stanford mentioned, there's been a lot of tree removal and it's

[2:00:42] Voice 2: really important to have trees for contracting climate change through sequestration. So I'm not

[2:00:50] Voice 2: Sure, I think maybe in other islands there's been some tree cutting regulations put in place,

[2:00:54] Voice 2: but I'd like to see some kind of measure to protect the really old trees

[2:00:58] Voice 2: that are still in existence on private land.

[2:01:02] Voice 2: Sorry, I've got to run now because I have another meeting I'm organizing,

[2:01:04] Voice 2: but I really appreciated having this opportunity to input.

[2:01:08] Voice 2: So thank you very much.

[2:01:14] Voice 14: Okay, that's it for hands.

[2:01:20] Trustee Stamford: Marlis, do you want to just speak very briefly to our ability to use tree cutting bylaws?

[2:01:26] Planner McCargar: Yeah, so we don't have the ability to use tree cutting bylaws.

[2:01:32] Planner McCargar: What we would do is typically like our main tool of protection, and you've heard it brought up a

[2:01:39] Planner McCargar: number of times in this presentation, is a development permit area. And so what we could do

[2:01:46] Planner McCargar: is you could designate an area, a development permit area, and in that you would put specific

[2:01:54] Planner McCargar: specific guidelines around tree protection. So if someone wanted to develop or, you know, really

[2:02:01] Planner McCargar: any sort of land alterations, they, we would, we would specify in that, in that permit exactly

[2:02:08] Planner McCargar: what they would need, you know, whether they would need to have a certified arborist

[2:02:12] Planner McCargar: come and identify trees, or we could have a number of different guidelines within that,

[2:02:20] Planner McCargar: But that would be our main tool for protecting trees. We don't have the ability to have a tree cutting by law, unfortunately.

[2:02:35] Planner McCargar: Yeah, and with that, I just want to kind of give just a really brief overview of our next steps.

[2:02:43] Planner McCargar: So this is just, you know, a really preliminary community outreach at this stage where we had an in-person engagement session and then this virtual one.

[2:02:53] Planner McCargar: And we're really just trying to get a sense of where the community's at, questions, concerns within these topic areas.

[2:03:02] Planner McCargar: We do have a community survey that's live.

[2:03:05] Planner McCargar: I've put the link here in the presentation.

[2:03:08] Planner McCargar: You can also go to the Islands Trust Gambier project page and the link for the survey will be there.

[2:03:16] Planner McCargar: Really encourage you to fill it out. And if you, you know, you can spread it to your networks.

[2:03:22] Planner McCargar: And if we can get as many responses as possible, that's going to really help us in this engagement phase,

[2:03:29] Planner McCargar: because that's one of our main tools for engagement. The survey is going to be open for another month.

[2:03:34] Planner McCargar: so it closes on October 14th and we do have a working group set up to help guide the project and

[2:03:43] Planner McCargar: we would you know welcome there's a couple of spots still available if anyone's interested

[2:03:49] Planner McCargar: you can get into contact with me we have a couple of working group meetings coming up

[2:03:54] Planner McCargar: and yeah if anyone's interested in being a part of that let me know

[2:04:00] Planner McCargar: Yeah, otherwise, I'll put our contact information here if you have any questions about the project or questions about the survey or you know want to give us feedback on today you're welcome to to reach out to like any of any of us any three of us.

[2:04:18] Planner McCargar: And yeah, just really want to thank everyone for spending their Wednesday evening with us. It's been really great conversation. And yeah, so thank you very much.

[2:04:29] Voice 13: Ruth has her hand up. Go ahead, Ruth.

[2:04:32] Voice 4: Sorry, just one last question. On the working group, does one have to be able to appear to be there in person to be on the working group?

[2:04:42] Planner McCargar: No, we're typically just, we've been doing virtual meetings, just because it's kind of been the easiest way to get everyone together.

[2:04:50] Voice 4: Okay, thanks.

[2:04:53] Trustee Stamford: So I'll just say thank you to everyone. I really appreciate the thoughtful comments and questions.

[2:05:00] Trustee Stamford: i i think there's you've given us a lot to work with which is very important so thank you and

[2:05:07] Trustee Stamford: thank you to um be sure consultants and to marlis and to will these are late nights for us

[2:05:16] Voice 14: thank you okay okay

[2:05:27] Voice 13: i guess we'll wrap it up and uh end the meeting yes good to go okay thanks very

[2:05:32] Voice 3: very much everyone thanks will thanks more or less yeah thank you thank you everyone