Islands Trust Council regular meeting, September 22, 2022

[0:10:16] Voice 15: recordings all that good stuff we're live streaming

[0:10:22] Voice 6: recording and we're open okay all

[0:10:27] Voice 5: right welcome back uh trustees and uh welcome to our uh audience uh viewing us across the internet

[0:10:36] Voice 5: um this of course is the final day of uh trust council um my name is uh peter luck i'm the chair

[0:10:43] Voice 5: of trust council elected on tita sound in uh penelope and lax and territory um we've just

[0:10:52] Voice 5: Just returned from in-camera session where the only item to rise and report on would

[0:10:59] Voice 5: be the adoption of the minutes of the previous meeting from the June Council.

[0:11:07] Voice 5: And so thankful to everybody for that.

[0:11:11] Voice 5: I'm very thankful to be here on Coastal territory in this incredibly rich historical

[0:11:18] Voice 5: cultural place with lots of opportunity for us to learn

[0:11:23] Voice 5: about the people that have lived here since time immemorial

[0:11:25] Voice 5: and recommend everybody take that opportunity

[0:11:29] Voice 5: to learn more.

[0:11:31] Voice 5: I'm just gonna go around the room

[0:11:33] Voice 5: and just acknowledge who is here with us today.

[0:11:38] Voice 5: I have a few regrets of individuals that have been unable,

[0:11:42] Voice 5: trustees that have been unable to join us today,

[0:11:47] Voice 5: but I'm going to start at the top of the list here

[0:11:50] Voice 5: and just get you to give away a wave

[0:11:53] Voice 5: or a territorial acknowledgement if you wish.

[0:11:55] Voice 5: Trustee Allen, Hornby Island.

[0:11:58] Voice 19: Yes, greetings from Bacolick, Hornby Island,

[0:12:00] Voice 19: the territories of Cohen's First Nations

[0:12:03] Voice 19: and Cossage Staples.

[0:12:05] Voice 11: Trustee Brent.

[0:12:07] Voice 11: Greetings from Lekongwan speaking territory,

[0:12:10] Voice 11: Trustee Brent from Saturna Island, thanks.

[0:12:14] Voice 11: Thank you, Trustee Bishaykin.

[0:12:15] Trustee Busheikin: Greetings from Clysteach, Denman Island.

[0:12:23] Voice 6: Trustee Dodds.

[0:12:24] Voice 6: Good morning from Main Island.

[0:12:28] Voice 6: Trustee Critchley.

[0:12:30] Voice 6: Good

[0:12:33] Voice 27: morning from Denman, Clysteach.

[0:12:38] Voice 10: Trustee Colburn.

[0:12:40] Voice 10: Hello, I'm on Sinead McFernandes territory and it's Scott Colburn.

[0:12:45] Voice 5: Regrets from Sue Ellen Fast. Trustee Doug Fenton, perhaps he's unable to connect either at this time.

[0:12:55] Voice 5: Trustee

[0:12:55] Voice 6: Grove, also then absent. Trustee Johnson.

[0:13:03] Voice 6: Good morning.

[0:13:06] Voice 6: Trustee Cahill.

[0:13:10] Voice 6: Good

[0:13:11] Voice 5: morning from Bowen Island.

[0:13:13] Voice 5: Trustee Case, Longerice.

[0:13:16] Voice 20: Good morning from Gabriola, Sonoma Territory.

[0:13:20] Voice 5: David Marr.

[0:13:22] Voice 6: Good morning

[0:13:23] Voice 6: from Main Island.

[0:13:24] Voice 6: Ben McConkie. Lee Middleton.

[0:13:30] Voice 6: Good

[0:13:33] Trustee Middleton: morning from Saturna Island, Traditional Territory of the Wissanish Nations.

[0:13:37] Trustee Middleton: Ed Morrison.

[0:13:39] Trustee Morrison: Good morning from STAS, Territory of the Wissanish Nations.

[0:13:43] Voice 6: Laura Patrick.

[0:13:45] Trustee Patrick: Good morning from Salt Spring Island, of the territories of many Coast Salish peoples.

[0:13:51] Voice 9: Tim Peterson.

[0:13:54] Voice 9: Good morning from Ehwete, Liskiti Island, Territory of many Coast Salish Nations,

[0:14:01] Voice 9: Treaty Territory of the Tli'at.

[0:14:04] Voice 5: And I provide regrets from Tahira Rockefeller.

[0:14:08] Voice 5: And I'll go to Dan Rogers.

[0:14:13] Trustee Rogers: Good morning.

[0:14:14] Trustee Rogers: Keats Island, Lactines,

[0:14:15] Trustee Rogers: traditional territories of the Squamish peoples.

[0:14:19] Voice 6: Grant Scott.

[0:14:20] Voice 6: Nothing.

[0:14:25] Voice 6: Kate Louise Stanford.

[0:14:28] Trustee Stamford: Good morning from Ch'alt'nawich in Al-Qasim,

[0:14:32] Trustee Stamford: unceded territory of the Squamish people.

[0:14:36] Voice 6: Cameron Thorn.

[0:14:40] Voice 6: Jane Wolverton.

[0:14:41] Voice 6: Good

[0:14:45] Voice 25: morning from Galeano Island, traditional territory of the Penelope people and of other Coast Salish peoples, and it's a beautiful day here.

[0:14:54] Voice 5: Thank

[0:14:54] Voice 6: you for that. Steve Wright.

[0:15:02] Voice 12: Good morning from Stass. My internet connection is going to be faulty, it seems, all morning long, so forgive me if I'm in and out.

[0:15:11] Voice 5: Right. Thank you. And you'll be all pleased to know there was lots of conversation about delivery of Internet to the Gulf Islands at UBCM.

[0:15:19] Voice 5: And indeed, there's a lot of work, a lot of consultants, a lot of ministry staff working to deliver Internet to the Gulf Islands.

[0:15:28] Voice 5: And so it's coming. Keep hanging in there. I'm going to now move on to our agenda.

[0:15:33] Voice 5: we completed most of yesterday's agenda.

[0:15:36] Voice 5: We have one remaining item at 9.2.3.

[0:15:40] Trustee Middleton: Page 200.

[0:15:41] Trustee Middleton: Chair?

[0:15:42] Trustee Middleton: Yes.

[0:15:42] Trustee Middleton: Chair, may I just start to interrupt?

[0:15:46] Trustee Middleton: I just feel there's a motion

[0:15:47] Trustee Middleton: from the rise in report of the in-camera session

[0:15:51] Trustee Middleton: that is appropriate to make at this juncture, if you will.

[0:15:56] Voice 5: I think that if there's a request for a new business item,

[0:15:59] Voice 5: we can deal with that in new business

[0:16:02] Voice 5: and we've adopted the agenda already.

[0:16:05] Voice 5: So that would require a majority vote of council to add a new business item.

[0:16:10] Voice 5: I don't have any objection to doing that, but can we keep

[0:16:13] Trustee Middleton: this is not a No, this is not a new business item.

[0:16:16] Trustee Middleton: This is this is basically in public process. There was discussion that requires a motion from the the closed session, and therefore the motion needs to be dispensed within public session where we now are.

[0:16:27] Trustee Middleton: So if you would be so kind, I would request that staff provide a list of resources in priority

[0:16:34] Trustee Middleton: order to advance the trust reconciliation activity with First Nations in BC that Council may debate

[0:16:40] Trustee Middleton: and endorse for advocacy to the province of British Columbia. And I've emailed that to Laurie.

[0:16:48] Voice 5: And David Mahler, your advice on the legislative process?

[0:16:52] Voice 1: Yeah, the RISEN report is usually reporting what you did in camera, any decisions you made in camera.

[0:16:59] Voice 1: So if during in-camera, Council decides something they wanted to deal with out of camera, like in the public meeting, it needs to be added to the agenda as part of the new business items.

[0:17:13] Trustee Middleton: I made a motion. If there's a seconder, I believe there's no choice but to debate it, Chair.

[0:17:18] Trustee Middleton: I'll second it. Trustee Brandt?

[0:17:23] Voice 4: So it's a new business item then?

[0:17:25] Voice 4: It is a new business item.

[0:17:27] Trustee Middleton: This is waffling. A motion has been put on the table.

[0:17:31] Trustee Middleton: I object to this obstructionist behavior, Chair.

[0:17:38] Voice 5: I'm not trying to be obstructive.

[0:17:42] Trustee Middleton: Well, you told me in the in-camera session this needed to be something discussed in the public forum.

[0:17:48] Trustee Middleton: I've not done so.

[0:17:49] Trustee Middleton: Now you're telling me this is a new business item.

[0:17:51] Trustee Middleton: I don't follow your logic.

[0:17:54] Trustee Middleton: I

[0:17:56] Voice 5: will not be an obstructionist, and so I'm going to advance this.

[0:18:02] Voice 5: It's been moved by Trustee Middleton.

[0:18:04] Voice 5: Thank you for bringing it forward.

[0:18:07] Voice 5: and uh it's been seconded by uh um paul brent and i thank you for that um and so do you wish

[0:18:16] Voice 5: to speak to the emotions uh

[0:18:18] Trustee Middleton: thank you chair and i i do appreciate the opportunity sorry to be

[0:18:22] Trustee Middleton: brusque with you there but um i do think it's an important matter um we had a discussion basically

[0:18:28] Trustee Middleton: about the the restrictions trust the trust is currently under in terms of advancing a very

[0:18:33] Trustee Middleton: important item, which is reconciliation with First Nations. And we did hear that there was a fairly

[0:18:39] Trustee Middleton: detailed list of specific items that, were they to be funded, would significantly enhance the

[0:18:47] Trustee Middleton: work that the trust could do in this area. And I believe it's incumbent upon us as politicians,

[0:18:53] Trustee Middleton: once endorsed by the body as a whole, that we actually engage in that level of advocacy to

[0:19:00] Trustee Middleton: to the political context we have,

[0:19:04] Trustee Middleton: to basically advocate for these resources

[0:19:06] Trustee Middleton: to allow us to advance what is a key priority

[0:19:10] Trustee Middleton: of the province of British Columbia.

[0:19:12] Trustee Middleton: And so that's the purpose of my motion.

[0:19:14] Trustee Middleton: Thank you.

[0:19:15] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:19:16] Trustee Rogers: Is there any just-

[0:19:18] Trustee Rogers: Well, point of order, sir.

[0:19:19] Trustee Rogers: I don't know what the motion is,

[0:19:20] Trustee Rogers: and I have no idea what it is.

[0:19:23] Trustee Rogers: And if it's been provided to,

[0:19:25] Trustee Rogers: could we have it put on the screen?

[0:19:27] Voice 5: Okay, thank you.

[0:19:28] Voice 5: you uh trustee rogers in the process um the difficulty of the uh the the uh process that

[0:19:39] Voice 5: as it's unfolded here regarding the discussion of new business or not i did i was remiss in not

[0:19:46] Voice 5: asking for the motion to be put up on the screen so i believe that trustee middleton has stated

[0:19:52] Voice 5: that he has delivered that motion to uh executive uh coordinator laurie foster and there is the

[0:19:58] Voice 5: motion and so uh i'll give every this is why it needs to be new business in my mind but i'm not

[0:20:05] Voice 5: being obstructionist let's continue on in a collegial fashion to uh absolutely support this

[0:20:11] uh important uh uh uh

[0:20:15] Voice 5: motion that is in front of us so

[0:20:18] Trustee Busheikin: point of order

[0:20:22] Trustee Busheikin: oh there goes my dog point of order i will put my hand up

[0:20:29] Trustee Busheikin: a point of

[0:20:30] Voice 6: order go ahead

[0:20:30] Trustee Busheikin: uh thank you sorry about the dog uh are we discussing and voting

[0:20:35] Trustee Busheikin: on this now or as part of new business and my understanding of robert's rules and how we always

[0:20:43] Trustee Busheikin: function is that this is new business and it will be discussed in new business it isn't

[0:20:47] Trustee Busheikin: obstructionary it's following the protocols we follow that we all follow so we know what's going

[0:20:53] Trustee Busheikin: on and um i'm finding it confusing uh and distracting that we seem to be dealing with

[0:20:59] Trustee Busheikin: it ad hoc um i'm happy to deal with it i just uh i would like some consistency in uh in the rules of

[0:21:06] Trustee Busheikin: order so come maybe we could get uh some input from director of legislative services well we

[0:21:14] Trustee Busheikin: did get input which to me he said it can be done with a new business very soon it is a great time

[0:21:20] Trustee Busheikin: to deal with it um so that is my point of order this seems out of order you

[0:21:29] Voice 5: know these are some

[0:21:30] Voice 5: of the biggest greatest challenges of the chair of the honest um indeed and fully respecting the the

[0:21:43] Voice 5: words of the mover of the motion that it certainly appears on the surface to be a new business item

[0:21:48] Voice 5: and a new business item once the agenda is adopted requires a 70 majority of trust council to add a

[0:21:54] Voice 5: new business item that's the formality of it all uh i like to think we're a collegial bunch

[0:22:01] Voice 5: and indeed it is a decision of the chair ultimately rather than cause uh division

[0:22:08] Voice 5: division in the in the um personally causing division in the in the council um um i've had a

[0:22:16] Voice 5: strong statement um with some rationale that this has evolved from an in-camera session of which

[0:22:23] Voice 5: there was not a motion in camera um also would have been a new business item for which there

[0:22:29] Voice 5: there was an opportunity to add a new business item at the beginning of the meeting so all that

[0:22:35] Voice 5: said and done let's just address this and move on and let's try not to do this again so you can

[0:22:47] Voice 5: make a ruling and then you can be challenged right so i'm going to make a ruling let's

[0:22:56] Voice 5: proceed with this motion does anybody want to challenge the chair on that ruling i'm looking

[0:23:02] Voice 5: for a handout trustee rogers i can't hear you

[0:23:09] Trustee Rogers: no i didn't i wasn't challenging the chair and

[0:23:11] Trustee Rogers: the new business is next anyway so let's just do this and move on

[0:23:15] Voice 5: absolutely thank you um

[0:23:19] Voice 5: yeah ultimately i want to see us get through the agenda in a reasonable and cordial fashion

[0:23:25] Voice 5: we have a motion before us um it has been spoken to by the mover um is there any discussion on the

[0:23:32] Voice 5: motion and i'm looking um at the hands up here i see trustee brent trustee riders on the motion

[0:23:39] Voice 11: thank you so just uh to add um i'd like to motivate on this i mean it is very true that

[0:23:47] Voice 11: reconciliation is is one of our most important objectives and i think what this motion is saying

[0:23:53] Voice 11: is rather than just staff uh seek support here uh that politicians of which we are and i think

[0:24:02] Voice 11: we're all, I believe, I hope, and I'm sure that all of us are absolutely 100% behind moving

[0:24:09] Voice 11: reconciliation along and doing it properly. I see no reason why we wouldn't provide staff

[0:24:16] Voice 11: with a list of resources that we need, that we can then lobby whatever contacts we have

[0:24:23] Voice 11: in the various ministries to provide those or provide the funding for them. I think, you know,

[0:24:30] Voice 11: This is us paddling in the same direction, staff and politicians.

[0:24:35] Voice 11: I think this is an easy one. Thank you.

[0:24:40] Voice 5: Thank you, Trustee Brent. Trustee Rogers, followed by Trustee Patrick.

[0:24:44] Trustee Rogers: Thanks. Perhaps this is why I'm not running again, because it's not easy for me.

[0:24:49] Trustee Rogers: If I got this motion and I'm the CAO, I wouldn't have a clue what's being asked for here.

[0:24:55] Trustee Rogers: I don't know what a list of resources in priority order is and how I would prepare that list.

[0:25:03] Trustee Rogers: So I actually have a question for the CAO as to whether he understands the motion and whether he understands what is being asked for here and could provide it in a reasonable fashion.

[0:25:17] Trustee Rogers: I'm not even sure who it's being provided to.

[0:25:20] Trustee Rogers: I guess it's being provided to trustees.

[0:25:22] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure that was the implication from Trustee Middleton.

[0:25:26] Trustee Rogers: But could I ask that question to the CAO?

[0:25:28] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:25:29] Voice 4: Yeah, thank you.

[0:25:31] Voice 4: I find myself in an awkward position.

[0:25:35] Voice 4: I don't.

[0:25:37] Voice 4: At its face, I believe that we do have to have assistance or leadership from a political level on advancing this and other items.

[0:25:48] Voice 4: as i was speaking around the various resources we need i that was not comprehensive um i could

[0:25:55] Voice 4: come up with two or three off the off the top of my head i don't know if that's the

[0:25:59] Voice 4: the um if that's what's desired by trust council and you'd want to you'd want to consider or at

[0:26:06] Voice 4: least be aware of the specific advocacy that's being is in the pipeline with um through the

[0:26:13] Voice 4: rest of the organization so you're not across purposes um as you go forward um certainly i

[0:26:21] Voice 4: think there's a fantastic role for both the organization proper and he was elected officials

[0:26:27] Voice 4: to advance anything um but i i don't have a comprehensive list of resources you've heard

[0:26:34] Voice 4: me listing off a number of priorities which i believe in um but if we keep talking i'd have more

[0:26:39] Voice 4: so in the in the in the short term i don't i don't have um i could work towards it of course

[0:26:49] Voice 4: directed i don't have a comprehensive list

[0:26:52] Voice 5: thank you for the question and answer trustee patrick

[0:26:57] Voice 5: and wolverton i

[0:27:01] Trustee Patrick: i mean i i i think i'm trying to understand what this is questioning but i

[0:27:07] Trustee Patrick: bring us back to June we have a motion to request the province to do a review of the structure

[0:27:16] Trustee Patrick: governance and role and part of that is the alignment of the decision making processes

[0:27:23] Trustee Patrick: and structures with the declaration of the rights of indigenous people and the funding

[0:27:28] Trustee Patrick: mechanisms provided to the organization in light of the clarified mandate so I see this as related

[0:27:35] Trustee Patrick: as part of the lack of another word lobbying the province for clarity and understanding as to as

[0:27:43] Trustee Patrick: to what we're facing and why we're asking these questions to the to the province and i guess i

[0:27:49] Trustee Patrick: look to the movers is that is that what this is more about is aligning and putting that request

[0:27:56] Trustee Patrick: in a more a stronger position there's

[0:28:06] Voice 4: a question in there let's see it's not for me sir i think

[0:28:10] Voice 4: I think it was to the mover,

[0:28:12] Voice 5: as

[0:28:15] Voice 4: I understand it.

[0:28:16] Voice 5: The motion belongs to council now,

[0:28:18] Voice 5: so that's an open question to council.

[0:28:21] Voice 5: I

[0:28:21] Voice 11: can try to provide it as the seconder.

[0:28:25] Voice 11: And I think really what we have here is what we understood,

[0:28:29] Voice 11: I guess, from the CAO,

[0:28:31] Voice 11: is that we need some additional resources,

[0:28:34] Voice 11: staff resources or whatever.

[0:28:36] Voice 11: I'm sure there must be some lists

[0:28:38] Voice 11: that can be compiled quickly.

[0:28:40] Voice 11: He talked about it. And so I see it from the perspective of as a politician, I do have some connections within some ministries.

[0:28:52] Voice 11: And I would say if we're going to advance reconciliation, minister, we need resources.

[0:28:59] Voice 11: We cannot do this on our own. And so can you provide us some resources?

[0:29:06] Voice 11: Can you provide funding? Can you provide staff? These are the areas that we would like to pursue. And to ask us to do it without resources is not appropriate. We need your help. And so just to help. It's as simple as that.

[0:29:24] Voice 11: and it's it's it's tied in i to a degree to to the request to look at the organization but i think

[0:29:31] Voice 11: it's very very different in the fact that we want direct um funding or assistance now

[0:29:39] Voice 11: and and not a study of the best way to to deal with to to deliver on preserving and the most

[0:29:45] Voice 11: effective way to deliver on preserve and protect so it's part of it but it's it's it's immediate

[0:29:51] Voice 11: idiot, and it's directed. Thanks.

[0:29:56] Voice 5: So thank you, Trustee Brennan. But just in case...

[0:30:00] Voice 5: a any misunderstanding for that i or the ceo had not been clear that very request has been made

[0:30:12] Voice 5: to multiple ministers by executive committee and stuff so it's ongoing this is ongoing

[0:30:20] Voice 5: i am grateful for the opportunity to have this motion before us um and but i would suggest that

[0:30:27] Voice 5: this motion needs to be amended to indicate that executive committee and staff work together to

[0:30:31] Voice 5: to develop a list of resources

[0:30:35] Voice 5: in order to advance truth and reconciliation

[0:30:37] Voice 5: that may be more constructive to allow a dialogue

[0:30:41] Voice 5: rather than the off-the-cuff list

[0:30:44] Voice 5: that the CAO has mentioned in conversation.

[0:30:49] Voice 5: But I'm gonna go back to the speaker's list.

[0:30:51] Voice 5: Wolverton, Johnson, Beshaken.

[0:30:53] Voice 25: I also had some of the same concerns

[0:30:56] Voice 25: that were raised by Trustee Rogers

[0:30:58] Voice 25: and questions raised by Trustee Patrick.

[0:31:01] Voice 25: um i'm i find the motion a little unclear and but i'm also not um i wouldn't be happy with a lot of

[0:31:11] Voice 25: off the cuff ad hoc kinds of lobbying i know you know personal relationships are great um but i i

[0:31:20] Voice 25: believe that in the interest of transparency and uh the public's view of what we do it's important

[0:31:27] Voice 25: that we do this in the public realm.

[0:31:32] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:31:34] Voice 5: Trustee Johnson, Trustee Bushekin.

[0:31:38] Voice 3: First, this resolution both by the mover

[0:31:41] Voice 3: and the seconder was talked about

[0:31:43] Voice 3: as advancing reconciliation.

[0:31:47] Voice 3: And while that is generally true,

[0:31:50] Voice 3: my understanding, and this is based largely

[0:31:52] Voice 3: on the presentation made yesterday

[0:31:55] Voice 3: in the policy by Regional Planning Manager Power,

[0:31:58] Voice 3: hour, is that we have traditionally in the past worked with seven regional districts

[0:32:07] Voice 3: that overlap our territory.

[0:32:11] Voice 3: Even though the interests are not huge, that's been a little difficult.

[0:32:15] Voice 3: We're now being asked, and not only being asked, we want to work with some 30 First

[0:32:22] Voice 3: First Nations who don't have the capacity, financial or staff, that regional districts have,

[0:32:30] Voice 3: we don't have the, we're figuring out how to work with First Nations. And we're lacking

[0:32:38] Voice 3: experience, we're lacking funds, we're lacking staff, we're lacking some stuff. We could use

[0:32:45] Voice 3: some help of various sorts to effectively work with those First Nations, or we could

[0:32:54] Voice 3: probably, you know, if we had a whack of money, figure out how to spend it.

[0:32:58] Voice 3: So that's what I see this motion as doing, and why I think it's important that we draw

[0:33:06] Voice 3: up a list of what we think would help us to work with the First Nations, or to help the

[0:33:13] Voice 3: First Nations work with us so that we can advance our common and their to us new

[0:33:23] Voice 3: interests and need to be involved in our land use planning and other activities in the trust area.

[0:33:31] Voice 3: So I support the intent of this motion. It's sort of, I'm sorry it started out the way it did in a

[0:33:38] Voice 3: sort of belligerent challenging way but i think it's really important and uh i i you know i think

[0:33:46] Voice 3: we can muddle through it and figure out what's needed uh it's it's a process not a instant

[0:33:53] Voice 3: solution so that's my i support the intent of this motion

[0:33:57] Voice 5: remember above everything else let's

[0:34:02] Voice 5: remember to be kind and courteous respectful of each other um and and take this with the goodwill

[0:34:09] Voice 5: with which it's intended and um just want to be again i i don't want to really insert myself in

[0:34:16] Voice 5: this conversation but i think it's important background information is um i have i i'm

[0:34:22] Voice 5: fortunate as the chair of trust council i have the opportunity as the spokesperson for trust

[0:34:27] Voice 5: Council to speak to ministers and staff on a variety of topics. This is an incredibly complex

[0:34:33] Voice 5: topic of which the province is not deaf to the needs of the province and the needs of the Islands

[0:34:40] Voice 5: Trust, and that indeed the Islands Trust is important. We need to advocate for the needs of

[0:34:45] Voice 5: the Islands Trust, but we're not unique. I did mention earlier about the complexity of treaty

[0:34:50] Voice 5: and non-treaty nations, and providing that opportunity for that level of engagement at

[0:34:55] Voice 5: at the council level, to have those voices with us.

[0:34:58] Voice 5: And that funding component,

[0:35:00] Voice 5: the province is well aware of the need,

[0:35:03] Voice 5: both of the Islands Trust and other governments,

[0:35:06] Voice 5: and is grappling with it.

[0:35:08] Voice 5: And I would be grateful for the opportunity

[0:35:10] Voice 5: to continue advocating on council's behalf.

[0:35:14] Voice 5: And certainly a decision of council gives me that strength

[0:35:17] Voice 5: or a future chair that strength to do that work.

[0:35:20] Voice 5: So let's continue on with Trustee Bishakin

[0:35:23] Voice 5: and Trustee Rogers.

[0:35:28] Trustee Busheikin: I'm noting in the conversation and what we heard from the mover and seconder that I believe this list of resources the purpose is to support trustees in supporting the advocacy work being done by executive committee, so that when we can we talk with our

[0:35:44] Trustee Busheikin: MLAs or ministers, if we happen to have those relationships, we can pass on the messages

[0:35:51] Trustee Busheikin: of the advocacy, which I think is an intention I support, although it would need to be done

[0:36:00] Trustee Busheikin: very carefully. But what I see here is something different. There's an intention here

[0:36:06] Trustee Busheikin: that council may debate and endorse for advocacy to British Columbia. So to me, that's almost like

[0:36:12] Trustee Busheikin: dialing back on our advocacy and saying, wait a minute, we've done some advocacy requests and

[0:36:18] Trustee Busheikin: we've brought up some things in meetings with ministers formally, but no, we want to bring

[0:36:23] Trustee Busheikin: these back to council to debate and endorse, which may be how we want to do it, but I just,

[0:36:30] Trustee Busheikin: I'm not sure which, what we are doing here. And the other thing is I just, I worry that off the

[0:36:37] Trustee Busheikin: the cuff that the advocacy is extremely nuanced it's negotiated or involves principles of

[0:36:46] Trustee Busheikin: negotiation and timing and who and when and how to bring messages forward uh and um there's 26

[0:36:55] Trustee Busheikin: trustees and there's a reason we have advocacy coordinated through the executive committee and

[0:37:02] Trustee Busheikin: through staff and i think we're we get to know about that advocacy and when we're talking to

[0:37:07] Trustee Busheikin: to our MLAs. I feel I know enough to, if I feel it's appropriate to add those voices of support

[0:37:14] Trustee Busheikin: and bring things up without a detailed list. So I'm, I would want to see more clarity in the

[0:37:22] Trustee Busheikin: motion and a little bit of supporting information to help me be confident that this wouldn't be

[0:37:28] Trustee Busheikin: actually getting in the way of effective advocacy. I think we have the information we need for those

[0:37:35] Trustee Busheikin: times when we might run into a neighbor who's also a minister or see an MLA at another event

[0:37:42] Trustee Busheikin: and they'll say, hey, what's going on at the trust? I always feel I have enough information

[0:37:46] Trustee Busheikin: to be effective. So at this point, I'm not going to vote in favor because it seems confusing and

[0:37:55] Trustee Busheikin: potentially counterproductive.

[0:37:59] Voice 5: Thank you. Just to be shaken. I see hands going up and down

[0:38:03] Voice 5: here and so trustee stanford and critchley are next

[0:38:12] Trustee Stamford: trustee critchley was ahead of me

[0:38:15] Trustee Stamford: okay

[0:38:17] Voice 6: thank you all right

[0:38:19] Voice 27: thank you go ahead

[0:38:21] Voice 27: i was just

[0:38:22] Trustee Critchley: going to propose a couple of amendments here

[0:38:26] Trustee Critchley: um firstly i i move that the motion be amended by uh inserting after the word staff

[0:38:36] Trustee Critchley: the words in

[0:38:41] Voice 27: cooperation with executive committee

[0:38:56] Voice 27: and by adding before the word resources,

[0:39:01] Voice 27: the word needed, that's my motion.

[0:39:15] Voice 6: I'll second that Trustee Critchley,

[0:39:17] Voice 11: it's Trustee Brent.

[0:39:18] Voice 5: Thank you, Trustee Brent.

[0:39:20] Voice 5: So that's moved and seconded

[0:39:21] Voice 5: and I think that's clear on the screen before you.

[0:39:24] Voice 5: um now i'm going to now uh go back to i'm going to note that trustee stanford had her hand up on

[0:39:33] Voice 5: the original motion and so i'm just going to mark that down and now i'm going to look for

[0:39:39] Voice 5: any discussion on the amendment not seeing oh trustee lamberis yes

[0:39:45] Voice 20: i support the amendment

[0:39:47] Voice 20: trustee chrissy has proposed thank

[0:39:51] Voice 5: you very much any other discussion on the amendment

[0:39:53] Voice 5: then i'll get you to lower your hand thank you so i'm going to call the vote on the amendment

[0:39:58] Voice 5: of the motion all those in favor please some reason i'm not getting that number at the top

[0:40:11] Voice 5: oh go ahead it looks like this 18 or 19 in favor 20 21 in favor so please lower your hands now

[0:40:19] Voice 5: and any opposed so that carries unanimously and i thank you for the amendment and now we have an

[0:40:38] Voice 5: an amended motion on the floor,

[0:40:40] Voice 5: and I want to fall back to my original speaker's list,

[0:40:43] Voice 5: and that's Trustee Stamford, and perhaps we'll call the vote.

[0:40:48] Trustee Stamford: Thank you, Chair.

[0:40:50] Trustee Stamford: I still don't have a comfort level

[0:40:54] Trustee Stamford: with what this is intended to do,

[0:40:58] Trustee Stamford: especially around priority order.

[0:41:01] Trustee Stamford: What is a priority for First Nations advocacy

[0:41:05] Trustee Stamford: in the Douglas Treaty area

[0:41:06] Trustee Stamford: is certainly not the same priority in areas in the house sound but we're dealing with with different

[0:41:14] Trustee Stamford: treaties or non-treaties I feel that this we need to have a more strategic approach to how we deal

[0:41:21] Trustee Stamford: with this and in the end I think staff were talking about how much there is to do on this file

[0:41:27] Trustee Stamford: and this is just adding to that um without an overall um goal that i see that will advance the

[0:41:37] Trustee Stamford: the whole process well

[0:41:41] Voice 5: um thank you for that trustee stanford um i think input from council

[0:41:47] Voice 5: is always welcome and um that helps inform the work um so trustee i'm not sure whose hand went

[0:41:58] Voice 5: up first but it looks like trustee wright and then colburn yeah

[0:42:03] Voice 12: the only question that i haven't had

[0:42:04] Voice 12: an answer to does staff feel this is necessary or helpful in doing their job could the cao respond

[0:42:15] Voice 4: yes overall expanding our advocacy to have a more specific role for elected officials

[0:42:24] Voice 4: in a targeted manner will be helpful and likely part of a future process to do that tomorrow

[0:42:33] Voice 4: is i'll just be scrambling to pull something together to to do that on so in the short term

[0:42:40] Voice 4: i don't think it's needed but i i think my earlier comments were around absolutely there's a place

[0:42:46] Voice 4: that we haven't gone or utilized an opportunity that could exist i not really necessarily might

[0:42:55] Voice 4: be that someone's a neighbor but just utilizing your contacts as elected officials by all means

[0:43:00] Voice 4: means you should have that material.

[0:43:03] Voice 4: So is it necessary today or tomorrow?

[0:43:06] Voice 4: I don't think, I wouldn't think so.

[0:43:08] Voice 4: And we'll have to create a list that I'd be concerned

[0:43:13] Voice 4: about the word prioritized,

[0:43:15] Voice 4: but we could certainly create a list of important areas

[0:43:21] Voice 4: of reconciliation that need funding.

[0:43:23] Voice 5: All right, thank you for that answer.

[0:43:25] Voice 5: Now, Trustee Colburn, you had your hand up.

[0:43:28] Voice 5: Have you lowered your hand?

[0:43:30] Voice 10: I did but I have a quick question so what's in terms of when we talk about resources and what

[0:43:35] Voice 10: we have control over I'm the first person to say the province needs to pay a more fair share for

[0:43:41] Voice 10: this work but and I think this came up in the in-camera meeting but I want to make sure it's

[0:43:45] Voice 10: on the public record what is the current budget line in terms of reconciliation activities that

[0:43:52] Voice 10: the islands trust has resourced itself

[0:43:55] Voice 4: is claire online because she might be able to pull it up

[0:44:03] Voice 4: quickly are you there claire hi yes

[0:44:06] Voice 4: my understanding is it's it was in the area of

[0:44:09] Voice 4: 15 000 and was reduced in the last budget process is that not correct yeah

[0:44:13] Voice 17: so the the general fund

[0:44:14] Voice 17: that we have was reduced from 15 to 12. however there is capacity funding woven through a number

[0:44:20] Voice 17: of projects and that is work we're currently trying to ascertain to get a fulsome number

[0:44:25] Voice 17: but what is available as a totality and i don't have that number at hand thank

[0:44:30] Voice 5: you and maybe just

[0:44:31] Voice 5: seek clarity and that does not or include the role of the legislature it does not those are

[0:44:38] Voice 5: funds dedicated to activities thank you just wanted to hear on here um

[0:44:46] Voice 5: so trustee longer right i

[0:44:49] Voice 20: would like to quick just a quick point there's no timeline to this

[0:44:53] Voice 20: motion so it's not that has to be done by tomorrow or so it's open-ended right thank you

[0:45:03] Voice 5: okay council are we ready to call the vote all right let's call the vote all those in favor

[0:45:18] Voice 5: seeing the numbers trickling up here looks like 16 or 17 in favor so please lower your hand 18

[0:45:25] Voice 5: 18 in favor.

[0:45:27] Voice 5: You got okay with that, David?

[0:45:28] Voice 5: Yeah, 17.

[0:45:31] Voice 5: Now, please lower your hands.

[0:45:37] Voice 5: Still waiting for you, Mr. Brent,

[0:45:40] Voice 5: if you're lowering your hand.

[0:45:43] Voice 6: I'm sure welcome.

[0:45:45] Voice 6: Yes, great, thank you.

[0:45:53] Voice 6: Guilty.

[0:45:55] Voice 5: Okay, any opposed?

[0:46:02] Voice 5: Okay, so I have two votes opposed.

[0:46:05] Voice 5: That carries.

[0:46:06] Voice 5: Thank you very much for bringing the motion.

[0:46:09] Voice 5: motion trustee middleton and um and staff will um pull that together for us um i just want to

[0:46:17] Voice 5: say something here okay just to close this conversation um trust council adopted an agenda

[0:46:25] Voice 5: on tuesday the chair was responsible to assist you in getting through that agenda in a timely manner

[0:46:31] Voice 5: we had a new item that came through from an in camera conversation that has ended up on the

[0:46:39] Voice 5: the agenda we burned up a beautiful half an hour more than almost 45 minutes on a conversation

[0:46:44] Voice 5: which has altered the agenda that we own as a body and so let's just keep that in mind as we

[0:46:50] Voice 5: move forward um that likely we need to get through a bunch of items i have no idea the depth of

[0:46:57] Voice 5: breath of the conversation that's going to go on here but we need to work together to get through

[0:47:01] Voice 5: our agenda in a respectful way and let's try to avoid let's be kind and respectful to everybody

[0:47:08] Voice 5: I make every effort to do that and I'm sorry if anybody ever takes any offense

[0:47:12] Voice 5: so we have a business item now left over from yesterday at 9.2.3 and that is on page 270 of

[0:47:23] Voice 5: the agenda package these are recommendations that were sent to council from the

[0:47:31] Voice 5: regional planning committee and so that's an RFD that's in front of you I'm going to ask the chair

[0:47:39] Voice 5: chair of the regional planning committee as the most obvious person to introduce this topic.

[0:47:47] Voice 5: And then perhaps you could assist us, Chair Beshaken, by putting the motion on the table

[0:47:55] Voice 5: as we go through. So over to you.

[0:47:58] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. I'll just give a little history on this because it has

[0:48:03] Trustee Busheikin: quite a long history it started as a request for decision uh initiated by a group of trustees

[0:48:10] Trustee Busheikin: came to test council last december council discussed it referred it to the regional

[0:48:16] Trustee Busheikin: planning committee for analysis and further work regional planning committee discussed it

[0:48:22] Trustee Busheikin: uh struck a working group to spend more time with it the working group met i believe we met twice

[0:48:28] Trustee Busheikin: um and uh took it on we did work with staff we worked um we had some advice from director

[0:48:36] Trustee Busheikin: freighter which was an interesting sort of um cross-pollination between

[0:48:43] Trustee Busheikin: committees because director freighter isn't really the resource person for the local planning

[0:48:48] Trustee Busheikin: committee um but that actually i think worked quite well um within the the limitations which

[0:48:55] Trustee Busheikin: which she had on her time.

[0:48:57] Trustee Busheikin: So what has come back is, I think,

[0:49:00] Trustee Busheikin: similar in intention to the very original request for decision,

[0:49:04] Trustee Busheikin: but different in a number of details,

[0:49:07] Trustee Busheikin: for instance, into how the advocacy is addressed.

[0:49:11] Trustee Busheikin: Originally, the idea was to address it to the,

[0:49:14] Trustee Busheikin: I believe it's the Lieutenant Governor and Council of BC.

[0:49:18] Trustee Busheikin: And this is now straightforward.

[0:49:20] Trustee Busheikin: We're addressing the province.

[0:49:21] Trustee Busheikin: and there are some additional items and just one of the things I wanted to flag that we heard

[0:49:31] Trustee Busheikin: and I think we all know but bears repeating in working with staff on this is that our advocacy

[0:49:37] Trustee Busheikin: in the past has always been most effective when it's well thought out and well resourced

[0:49:43] Trustee Busheikin: that means research and this is something mostly staff do although there certainly is a role for

[0:49:49] Trustee Busheikin: for trustees, as we've been discussing, is doing a lot of research, finding out what's been done

[0:49:54] Trustee Busheikin: by other jurisdictions, seeking collaboration, leveraging relationships, figuring out the best

[0:50:01] Trustee Busheikin: strategy, developing a powerful message, and also coming up with additional actions to enhance the

[0:50:10] Trustee Busheikin: impact of, say, a letter. So that is implied, I think, in recommendation number two. And

[0:50:18] Trustee Busheikin: And recommendations number three and four are really recommendations towards the next trust council to be getting on top of the housing file and getting moving, like kind of hitting the ground running in a way on that file.

[0:50:35] Trustee Busheikin: um and um i just will speak to the idea of a um a forum which i think is hang on my computer

[0:50:47] Trustee Busheikin: navigated away recommendation number four i believe um that we did have a housing forum

[0:50:56] Trustee Busheikin: last term it was actually quite successful had quite a range of people attending it

[0:51:00] Trustee Busheikin: And I think that the intention is not to do something as ambitious as that. That was a full-on day-long event separate from council. A coordinator was hired. It required quite a budget and project charter and lead-in time. It was actually one of the big events or big projects of RPC last term.

[0:51:20] Trustee Busheikin: I think the intention is something that would happen at council and be a little more contained and that's more achievable on a shorter timeline.

[0:51:28] Trustee Busheikin: timeline. I will note that this, if we do go ahead with this, this advocacy piece will work

[0:51:36] Trustee Busheikin: in tandem with other advocacy the trust has done, which is the recent Union of BC Municipalities

[0:51:44] Trustee Busheikin: Resolution EB24, asking for more funding and support for rural affordable housing, which I

[0:51:52] Trustee Busheikin: I believe was passed unanimously by the UBCM delegates.

[0:51:58] Trustee Busheikin: So this follows up on that,

[0:52:00] Trustee Busheikin: and I think can work synergistically with it

[0:52:03] Trustee Busheikin: in being a little more specific

[0:52:05] Trustee Busheikin: and pointing at the specifics of the trust area.

[0:52:09] Trustee Busheikin: And I also will note that the working group

[0:52:14] Trustee Busheikin: didn't draft a letter

[0:52:15] Trustee Busheikin: because that generally is done by staff

[0:52:17] Trustee Busheikin: and it is based on their experience, expertise,

[0:52:21] Trustee Busheikin: and further research, which I think will really bring us a very good product at the end.

[0:52:29] Trustee Busheikin: But we do have notes towards a letter that just to speed the process along and so that

[0:52:36] Trustee Busheikin: everyone knows really what we're talking about.

[0:52:39] Trustee Busheikin: So just to recap, this has been nine months of discussion and referral to committees and

[0:52:48] Trustee Busheikin: subcommittees on this advocacy initiative. So I think it's had a lot of trustee input and a lot

[0:52:54] Trustee Busheikin: of thought put into it. And it is true that the trust has its own work around housing, as was

[0:53:04] Trustee Busheikin: highlighted in the letter from the Ministry of Municipal Affairs regarding the policy statement,

[0:53:12] Trustee Busheikin: meant, pointed that out and encouraged that. But at the same time, we have a very small influence

[0:53:19] Trustee Busheikin: on housing, which is land use planning. And it really doesn't happen without resources,

[0:53:25] Trustee Busheikin: without funding, and without a provincial support in terms of programming. And we really need that.

[0:53:34] Trustee Busheikin: So, I think that anyone who's been involved as a trustee or just witnessing how difficult it is for our housing associations who are working so hard to get affordable housing off the ground has heard many times that the standard model for funding and allocation of funding is not an easy fit on the trust islands.

[0:54:00] Trustee Busheikin: Islands. So on behalf of the Regional Planning Committee, I bring forward these recommendations

[0:54:05] Trustee Busheikin: with a strong endorsement for us to move ahead with this. Thank you.

[0:54:10] Trustee Busheikin: Would

[0:54:12] Voice 5: you like to introduce the first motion?

[0:54:16] Trustee Busheikin: I will do that. I move that Trust Council request

[0:54:19] Trustee Busheikin: the Chair to write to the province to outline the particular housing affordability challenges

[0:54:24] Trustee Busheikin: in the Trust Area and request that the province explore what can be done to create housing

[0:54:29] Trustee Busheikin: solutions specific to rural islands in the trust area including options for stable secure funding

[0:54:35] Trustee Busheikin: thank

[0:54:37] Voice 5: you do i have a seconder looks like trustee dodds thank you any discussion on the motion i've

[0:54:43] Voice 5: assumed trustee beshaken you've spoken to the motions and any discussion on the motion before

[0:54:48] Voice 5: us trustee johnson i

[0:54:52] Voice 3: sort of said yesterday that that um i've always considered it semi-insane for

[0:54:59] Voice 3: or a preserve and protect body

[0:55:01] Voice 3: to work for affordable housing in its area.

[0:55:05] Voice 3: The last thing we need is more housing

[0:55:08] Voice 3: to preserve and protect,

[0:55:10] Voice 3: and even worse than more housing, perhaps.

[0:55:12] Voice 3: Perhaps it's the other end of the housing spectrum

[0:55:15] Voice 3: as just as bad as the affordable.

[0:55:18] Voice 3: I would like it if it was put in here

[0:55:21] Voice 3: to meet community needs

[0:55:22] Voice 3: every time affordable housing is mentioned.

[0:55:26] Voice 3: mentioned.

[0:55:28] Voice 5: Right. Thank you, Trustee Johnson. Conversation last night at Dan's corner,

[0:55:34] Voice 5: thank you, Dan, for hosting that, was speaking out when you hear something that you find

[0:55:40] Voice 5: objectionable. And probably better, rather than judging the sanity of an individual,

[0:55:45] Voice 5: it'd be better to suggest that some other language might be used for that. So I'm just

[0:55:52] Voice 5: going to say that out loud because the suggestion is that I should. And there we have it. So any

[0:55:58] Voice 5: Any further speakers on the motion?

[0:56:00] Voice 5: Trustee Patrick, Trustee Colbert.

[0:56:03] Trustee Patrick: I just, I guess in response to Trustee Johnson,

[0:56:06] Trustee Patrick: that this is, we are communities.

[0:56:09] Trustee Patrick: We're communities that require people to work here

[0:56:13] Trustee Patrick: to service the islands and service us, service everyone.

[0:56:16] Trustee Patrick: We are a community.

[0:56:18] Trustee Patrick: It's not just, you know, we have to live together.

[0:56:22] Trustee Patrick: The programs that are available to people

[0:56:25] Trustee Patrick: who are working to solve these issues

[0:56:27] Trustee Patrick: do not fit on our islands.

[0:56:29] Trustee Patrick: I can tell you BC Housing has just experienced that themselves, trying to build a supported housing complex here on Salt Spring.

[0:56:34] Trustee Patrick: They've had a pretty steep learning curve, how difficult it is.

[0:56:38] Trustee Patrick: And so this is really about trying to make sure the programs that are available fit in our islands.

[0:56:46] Voice 6: Thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[0:56:48] Voice 5: Trustee Colburn and Johnson, if you've got a second question, you can lower your hand otherwise.

[0:56:53] Voice 5: Trustee Colburn.

[0:56:56] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:56:56] Voice 10: you um go into the united nations emissions gap reports for the last 10 years google search

[0:57:03] Voice 10: land use planning so this is climate change environmental protection ecosystem protection

[0:57:10] Voice 10: and land use planning you will find a very different approach to what you're advocating

[0:57:17] Voice 10: if you're making an environmental argument against housing options you're on the wrong

[0:57:23] Voice 10: side of where planning is right now so i'm sorry the environmental argument you're actually arguing

[0:57:30] Voice 10: against yourselves because that's not where the science is that's not where planning is right now

[0:57:35] Voice 10: and the islands trust if you talk to some of the planners they get that as well we haven't done a

[0:57:41] Voice 10: good enough job because i've been involved in these processes and i'm not a planner but i've

[0:57:45] Voice 10: tried to do my best to understand where we're at and where we're at a step with things from

[0:57:49] Voice 10: from an environmental standpoint, this is our biggest weak spot. So community need,

[0:57:55] Voice 10: you know, this was part and parcel of declaring a housing equity and workforce shortage emergency.

[0:58:03] Voice 10: Trust Council voted on that. So that's the community need side of it. Now, from the

[0:58:08] Voice 10: environmental side of it, if you don't know how this matches up, that means that we haven't done

[0:58:14] Voice 10: a good enough job internally and externally of understanding that. From an environmental

[0:58:17] Voice 10: from a environmental protection preservation standpoint,

[0:58:21] Voice 10: you should be voting in favor of this.

[0:58:23] Voice 10: Thank

[0:58:26] Voice 5: you, Trustee Coburn.

[0:58:28] Voice 5: Trustee Wright, Wolverton-Longeray.

[0:58:31] Voice 12: Yeah, the only thing that I want to comment on

[0:58:35] Voice 12: is the idea of affordability,

[0:58:39] Voice 12: because that term is being bantered about

[0:58:42] Voice 12: and it doesn't even meet its own definition

[0:58:45] Voice 12: given the cost of housing and the living wage

[0:58:48] Voice 12: that people are earning throughout these islands um so if we're talking about housing um i don't

[0:58:56] Voice 12: have a problem with it i just think that the affordability um word is uh is is a bit problematic

[0:59:02] Voice 12: and misleading in most people's experience thank

[0:59:06] Voice 5: you trustee right trustee wobleton longer ice

[0:59:10] Voice 25: uh yeah just to the affordability i mean those are things that um that's why we need the support of

[0:59:17] Voice 25: BC Housing or CMHC because they do set affordable rates. But I would just say, like, we need housing

[0:59:25] Voice 25: for islanders. We have people in Galliana who've grown up here, they can't afford housing. And we

[0:59:31] Voice 25: don't want to be solely an island that is just for vacationers, where we don't have people who are

[0:59:37] Voice 25: volunteering, who are contributing to looking after the environment. We need, you know, we need

[0:59:43] Voice 25: people here to look after the environment and so yes um we you know we have we have a critical

[0:59:51] Voice 25: housing shortage and we're not able to retain all kinds of people just you know

[1:00:00] Voice 25: construction workers and so on because they can't find affordable housing thank you thank you

[1:00:07] Voice 5: longer ice yeah

[1:00:10] Voice 20: thank you my one question here is about the scope is it talking is it just about

[1:00:14] Voice 20: rental housing and what's the the income range that we're talking about are we talking about

[1:00:22] Voice 20: the lower income people who can't afford rental are we talking about the cost of purchasing land

[1:00:28] Voice 20: and building. So I just wanted to get clarity on that, the scope of it. It seems very broad.

[1:00:38] Voice 5: Trustee Boucher, can you run the next speaker on the list conveniently?

[1:00:44] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. We have not gotten that detailed. And I think that, and I don't think that was the intention

[1:00:54] Trustee Busheikin: attention to actually delineate, you know, what type of funding and what it's for. I think that's

[1:01:00] Trustee Busheikin: going to have to get worked out down the road if this gains traction. You know, BC Housing has

[1:01:07] Trustee Busheikin: its own, you know, like it has its own guidelines of what it will fund and not fund, and CMHC has

[1:01:17] Trustee Busheikin: its guidelines. I don't think that's something worth defining. The whole thing is expensive

[1:01:22] Trustee Busheikin: and needs funding and just I did the reason I put my hand up really was just to respond to

[1:01:28] Trustee Busheikin: trustee Johnston's comments I'm I'm reluctant to wordsmith this now I also and also the comments

[1:01:36] Trustee Busheikin: on the word affordability it is a I don't know what word is the best word I you know housing

[1:01:42] Trustee Busheikin: options but then what does that really mean affordability is generally used and specifically

[1:01:47] Trustee Busheikin: we'll use so we used it but if you look at the the notes about the letter there was a lot of

[1:01:55] Trustee Busheikin: work that went into those and I think that the the idea of housing that meets community needs

[1:02:01] Trustee Busheikin: is is baked into that even when it says to create housing solutions specific to rural islands in the

[1:02:09] Trustee Busheikin: trust area I mean that includes the whole idea of the trust and the mandate so and although it's

[1:02:16] Trustee Busheikin: not explicit here um i think again like woven into all of this is that we do have that mandate

[1:02:23] Trustee Busheikin: and that is another thing that can make affordable housing solutions more complex because we do need

[1:02:28] Trustee Busheikin: to slow down and take that into account so uh and and really those community needs it's your ocp

[1:02:36] Trustee Busheikin: where those need to be spelled out because we are not asking the the province to give funding for

[1:02:41] Trustee Busheikin: something that's going to waltz over the ocp and they are different on different islands and they

[1:02:46] Trustee Busheikin: change so we have community housing needs assessments now which will need updating

[1:02:51] Trustee Busheikin: and we have our ocps and of course any funding any housing is going to be working within

[1:02:59] Trustee Busheikin: those uh that context uh

[1:03:05] Voice 5: thank you laura and i'm not going to make this any more complex but just

[1:03:10] Voice 5: note that the ask in this motion is to ask the province to explore housing solutions

[1:03:16] Voice 5: and in our context those are small rural communities connected by ferries

[1:03:22] Voice 5: and it's unique and what's been said is that that needs to be identified for the province

[1:03:28] Voice 5: to understand so we have a motion before us i would like to call the vote all those in favor

[1:03:33] Voice 5: Okay, it looks like at least 19. So that's certainly a majority. So please lower your hand. Lowering hands. And I'll ask you now to raise your hand if you'll vote. There are no hands in opposition. So that carries unanimously.

[1:04:03] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[1:04:04] Voice 5: Trustee Bishaykin, do you want to?

[1:04:06] Trustee Busheikin: I move that Trust Council request Executive Committee

[1:04:09] Trustee Busheikin: to develop a communication strategy and materials

[1:04:11] Trustee Busheikin: to support awareness of the housing affordability

[1:04:16] Trustee Busheikin: advocacy request and rationale.

[1:04:20] Voice 5: So do I have a seconder for the motion?

[1:04:22] Voice 5: Trustee Dodds, thank you very much.

[1:04:24] Voice 5: Now, I heard somebody trying to speak up there

[1:04:27] Voice 5: before the motion got started.

[1:04:30] Voice 5: That was

[1:04:31] Voice 14: me, Chair, Doug Fenton.

[1:04:34] Voice 5: Oh, Doug Fenton.

[1:04:36] Voice 14: I'm having challenges with the thumb up and thumb down,

[1:04:40] Voice 14: so I'm in favor of.

[1:04:43] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[1:04:45] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:04:45] Voice 5: So just when I call the vote,

[1:04:48] Voice 5: just shout out if you're in favor or opposed accordingly.

[1:04:52] Voice 5: So trust on the motion,

[1:04:54] Voice 5: then on the floor,

[1:04:55] Voice 5: there was a hand up.

[1:04:57] Voice 5: It's not gone.

[1:04:59] Voice 5: There's no speakers to the motion of trustee Johnson.

[1:05:06] Voice 5: If you wish to speak to the motion,

[1:05:08] Voice 5: trustee Johnson,

[1:05:09] Voice 5: you have to turn your microphone on has it been seconded it was seconded by trustee dodge yes

[1:05:17] Voice 3: i i'm wondering why why we're specifically calling for communication strategy and materials

[1:05:23] Voice 3: to support the awareness of this is is this something is there something about this one

[1:05:28] Voice 3: that's special or is this um

[1:05:32] Voice 5: well i think trustee boucher can you did touch on that in your preamble

[1:05:36] Voice 5: um do you want to speak to that again succinctly

[1:05:40] Trustee Busheikin: yes because i did touch on it

[1:05:43] Trustee Busheikin: this is a standard um approach with advocacy um letters do go out without this but it is much

[1:05:53] Trustee Busheikin: more effective when we can have this communications strategy uh it just is a a higher level of of

[1:06:00] Trustee Busheikin: of advocacy and a staff actually recommended this.

[1:06:05] Trustee Busheikin: And it can include all kinds of things

[1:06:09] Trustee Busheikin: from including it in our breakfast meetings at UBCM

[1:06:12] Trustee Busheikin: and having speaking notes for trustees

[1:06:16] Trustee Busheikin: and all kinds of things.

[1:06:18] Trustee Busheikin: So it's not necessary, but a letter going out on its own

[1:06:22] Trustee Busheikin: especially with a big complex

[1:06:24] Trustee Busheikin: and admittedly rather open ended

[1:06:27] Trustee Busheikin: or undetailed ask like this

[1:06:29] Trustee Busheikin: is going to be many many many times more powerful if this is done okay

[1:06:34] Voice 5: thank you trustee beshagan

[1:06:35] Voice 5: our chair of regional planning committee trustee colburn you're next and i'll get you to lower your

[1:06:40] Voice 5: hand trustee johnson uh

[1:06:42] Voice 10: thank you and just to speak to the communications uh you know the ubcm

[1:06:46] Voice 10: motion that spoke to um housing in terms of rural and remote communities and some of the challenges

[1:06:54] Voice 10: The Islands Trust, because of the environmental nature of the mandate and the ferry dependent communities, has those, you know, the entire world is dealing with this, but it has its own unique challenges and opportunities and low impact housing that grows up from community.

[1:07:12] Voice 10: It's not necessarily going to look like what it looks like in urban settings.

[1:07:16] Voice 10: That has the potential to really reach people and reach the province.

[1:07:23] Voice 10: And I think what Chair Boushekin just spoke to, of having trustees have more speaking

[1:07:28] Voice 10: points and ability to speak on behalf of all the residents in these unique places is a

[1:07:36] Voice 10: good tool.

[1:07:37] Voice 10: And I'd love to see communication strategies attached to a lot more pieces from the environmental standpoint that would allow trustees to speak to things with more depth.

[1:07:49] Voice 10: Because that increases the understanding, not just the people you're advocating to, but within the communities that we represent as well.

[1:07:57] Voice 5: Thank you very much, Trustee Colburn.

[1:07:59] Voice 5: Trustee Langerhuis.

[1:08:01] Voice 20: Yeah, just a quick question, a clarification.

[1:08:04] Voice 20: Recommendation number two, I assume, is linked to recommendation number one.

[1:08:09] Voice 20: and that it would be subsequent to the trust counts,

[1:08:12] Voice 20: the outline of the particular housing affordability challenges in the trust area.

[1:08:17] Voice 20: I'm assuming that's the first piece of work.

[1:08:19] Voice 20: And then subsequent to that, you then do the communication strategy.

[1:08:25] Voice 20: Am I correct in understanding that?

[1:08:28] Voice 5: It will be holistically created, I think.

[1:08:35] Voice 5: Any other speakers on the motion?

[1:08:39] Voice 5: All right, I'll call the vote then.

[1:08:40] Voice 5: All those in favor of the motion, number two.

[1:08:52] Voice 14: And that looks like a majority.

[1:08:54] Voice 5: So please lower your hands.

[1:08:56] Voice 14: In favor for Doug.

[1:08:58] Voice 14: Thank you, Doug.

[1:09:00] Voice 14: Excellent.

[1:09:07] Voice 5: Okay, waiting for those hands.

[1:09:09] Voice 5: Okay, any opposed?

[1:09:12] Voice 5: None opposed, that carries unanimously.

[1:09:14] Voice 5: Thank you very much, council.

[1:09:16] Voice 5: There's a third motion, which quite honestly,

[1:09:19] Voice 5: it says and at the end of that one,

[1:09:21] Voice 5: and I'm assuming that three and four might go together,

[1:09:24] Voice 5: but that would be up to the mover to determine

[1:09:26] Voice 5: whether or not you want to move those independently.

[1:09:29] Trustee Busheikin: We're going to move them there to different things.

[1:09:32] Trustee Busheikin: So I think when this was written there,

[1:09:35] Trustee Busheikin: we didn't know if we were going to do this all four

[1:09:37] Trustee Busheikin: in one motion, but I think it's way better

[1:09:39] Trustee Busheikin: to take them separately.

[1:09:40] Trustee Busheikin: So I'll go ahead.

[1:09:41] Trustee Busheikin: I move the trust council host a panel session

[1:09:43] Trustee Busheikin: about affordable housing challenges and solutions

[1:09:47] Trustee Busheikin: in the islands trust area as part of trustee education.

[1:09:51] Voice 5: Let's move, do I have a seconder?

[1:09:53] Voice 5: trustee wolverton has seconded the motion thank you um any discussion on the motion trustee dodge

[1:10:01] Voice 5: you wish to speak to the motion i

[1:10:05] Voice 22: do can i propose an amendment to the motion i hate to do this but

[1:10:10] Voice 22: um i really think we need to be affordable out of this i think if you think about it it's not

[1:10:17] Voice 22: just about the cost of housing it's about the fact that we don't have a diversity of housing

[1:10:21] Voice 22: And even if housing was not so expensive to build,

[1:10:25] Voice 22: we lack duplexes, fourplexes, apartments,

[1:10:28] Voice 22: secondary suites, et cetera.

[1:10:30] Voice 22: So I think affordable should come out.

[1:10:32] Voice 22: So my motion is to remove affordable.

[1:10:35] Voice 5: Right, so that's an amendment to amend the motion

[1:10:39] Voice 5: to remove the word affordable.

[1:10:41] Voice 5: Do I have a seconder for that?

[1:10:43] Voice 11: I'll second that.

[1:10:45] Voice 5: Okay, thank you, Trustee Brent.

[1:10:51] Voice 5: So that's duly moved and seconded.

[1:10:54] Voice 5: Is there any discussion on the amendment to the motion?

[1:10:59] Voice 5: Trustee Beshekin.

[1:11:00] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I support that amendment.

[1:11:03] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:11:04] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:11:05] Voice 5: Any further discussion on the amendment to the motion?

[1:11:09] Voice 5: Then I'll call the vote on the amendment.

[1:11:12] Voice 5: All those in favor?

[1:11:19] Voice 5: That looks like unanimous also, but all those in favor?

[1:11:23] Voice 14: In favor for Doug.

[1:11:24] Voice 5: Thank you, Trustee Fenton.

[1:11:27] Voice 5: Lower your hands.

[1:11:28] Voice 5: lowering of hands thank you any opposed one opposed trustee critchley thank you

[1:11:42] Voice 5: and so that motion does carry so fine uh i believe you have one more motion there trustee

[1:11:51] Voice 5: uh

[1:11:51] Trustee Busheikin: yes um it's not a point of

[1:11:56] Voice 9: order yes oh yes sir

[1:11:59] Voice 9: uh we just amended the motion do we not have

[1:12:02] Voice 9: I have to pass the amended motion now, sir.

[1:12:05] Voice 5: Bless you and thank you for my omission.

[1:12:10] Voice 5: Indeed, we now have an amended motion on the table.

[1:12:15] Voice 5: And if there's no further discussion on the amended motion,

[1:12:19] Voice 5: then I'll call the vote.

[1:12:20] Voice 5: All those in favor?

[1:12:26] Voice 14: Aye.

[1:12:27] Voice 5: And Dr. Fenton also in favor.

[1:12:30] Voice 5: So please lower your hands.

[1:12:41] Voice 5: Lower your hands, Trustee Allen.

[1:12:46] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:12:47] Voice 5: any opposed so none opposed thank you very much council thank you trustee brent for bringing that

[1:12:56] Voice 5: to my attention now let's go to the next uh and final motion in this uh item 9.2.3 um

[1:13:04] Trustee Busheikin: i move that

[1:13:05] Trustee Busheikin: trust council coordinate a round table on housing to include bc housing key ministers housing leaders

[1:13:11] Trustee Busheikin: from island communities and others within the first six months of the new term okay so that's

[1:13:19] Voice 5: That's moved.

[1:13:20] Voice 5: Seconded by Trustee Wolverton.

[1:13:23] Voice 5: I believe you've spoken to the motion

[1:13:25] Voice 5: in your first preamble.

[1:13:27] Trustee Busheikin: I think I have.

[1:13:27] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:13:28] Voice 5: And so I'll ask if there's any discussion on the motion.

[1:13:32] Voice 5: Trustee Allen.

[1:13:36] Voice 19: Yes, thanks.

[1:13:37] Voice 19: I'm really glad that you're having housing leaders

[1:13:40] Voice 19: from Island communities because we,

[1:13:44] Voice 19: in our last trust meeting,

[1:13:45] Voice 19: Grant and I just finally approved development permit

[1:13:48] Voice 19: permit for the Beulah Creek housing, which is a 26 community rental housing units. And it is very

[1:13:56] Voice 19: exciting because it's been over 20 years. And so it's a long winding road, but it's well worth it.

[1:14:02] Voice 19: And so it'd be great for them to be at the table and share their story. Thank you. I'm in favor.

[1:14:09] Voice 5: Thank you, Trustee Allen. Trustee Longer, Ison Dodge.

[1:14:13] Voice 20: Okay. Do we have the capacity to set this up before the next fiscal year? And do we have the

[1:14:19] Voice 20: the budget for such a round table um

[1:14:26] Voice 5: anybody want to answer that i'd say the answer is probably no

[1:14:32] Voice 5: six months is probably the next fiscal just

[1:14:37] Voice 4: clearly no i

[1:14:39] Voice 17: would say no um certainly it's

[1:14:43] Voice 17: ambitious to get this done by march and i do suspect there might be some funding needed to

[1:14:48] Voice 17: to coordinate, but certainly we'll work to achieve

[1:14:52] Voice 17: what you can, but I think more time

[1:14:53] Voice 17: would certainly be helpful.

[1:14:55] Voice 5: Thank you, so if I might remark,

[1:15:00] Voice 5: not seeing any other speakers,

[1:15:01] Voice 5: I would be happier if the motion was amended

[1:15:05] Voice 5: to remove the first six months

[1:15:06] Voice 5: and just place it within the new term,

[1:15:09] Voice 5: because the timing will be challenging.

[1:15:12] Voice 5: Remember all local governments are having elections

[1:15:16] Voice 5: and all local governments will have requests of ministries.

[1:15:19] Voice 5: We certainly need to get our request in early,

[1:15:23] Voice 5: but it may be challenging to do that within six months.

[1:15:26] Voice 5: Trustee

[1:15:26] Trustee Patrick: Patrick, over to you.

[1:15:28] Trustee Patrick: Well, I just, I think the motion says

[1:15:29] Trustee Patrick: to coordinate the round table within the first six months.

[1:15:32] Trustee Patrick: It doesn't say hold the round table

[1:15:33] Trustee Patrick: within the first six months.

[1:15:35] Trustee Patrick: So I think there's flexibility built in the motion.

[1:15:38] Trustee Patrick: Good

[1:15:38] Voice 5: point, excellent.

[1:15:40] Voice 5: Any further discussion?

[1:15:42] Voice 5: Then I'm going to call the vote.

[1:15:44] Voice 5: All those in favor?

[1:15:55] Voice 14: aye thank you thank

[1:15:57] Voice 5: you doug so please lower your hand thank you um any opposed

[1:16:13] Voice 5: there are none opposed that carries unanimously excellent council thank you very much we've now

[1:16:18] Voice 5: completed yesterday's agenda um at 11. welcome

[1:16:22] Trustee Busheikin: i hear

[1:16:26] Voice 5: you yes

[1:16:27] Trustee Busheikin: can i make a two sentence closing comment please two sentences two they're not run

[1:16:34] Trustee Busheikin: on sentences one is i really want to thank the initial creators of the rfd to council

[1:16:40] Trustee Busheikin: rpc and the working group a lot of work went into this and secondly i really want to recommend uh

[1:16:47] Trustee Busheikin: the use of uh short-term specific working groups by committees it was a very nimble

[1:16:54] Trustee Busheikin: uh way to work so i think it's a great way maybe that's my third sentence i'll stop thank you

[1:17:00] Trustee Busheikin: I

[1:17:01] Voice 5: think I think that was three sentences okay let us move along we're at 11 22 I suspect we're

[1:17:12] Voice 5: going to run into some overtime so please just please be aware of that stick with us as long

[1:17:16] Voice 5: as you can I know that some of you may have made other commitments um if I'm not mistaken now I am

[1:17:23] Voice 5: I am at section 14.1, and this is trustee updates.

[1:17:32] Voice 5: And we've tried to encourage receiving information

[1:17:35] Voice 5: in advance of the council to be included in the agenda,

[1:17:39] Voice 5: but I'm just going to reach out

[1:17:41] Voice 5: to the ferry advisory committee chairs

[1:17:45] Voice 5: on your local trust committees, if you're such.

[1:17:48] Voice 5: Is there any updates regarding BC ferries?

[1:17:51] Voice 5: And I'm looking to the speaker's participants list,

[1:17:55] Voice 5: not seeing any, excellent.

[1:17:59] Voice 5: So certainly this has been a challenging time at PC Ferries

[1:18:03] Voice 5: and no doubt will continue.

[1:18:05] Voice 5: So thank you for the advisory committees

[1:18:08] Voice 5: and the communities for the work that they're doing there.

[1:18:11] Voice 5: The next item is First Nations 14.1.2.

[1:18:15] Voice 5: And Trustee Colburn, did your hand come up

[1:18:18] Voice 5: regarding advisory committees?

[1:18:21] Voice 10: both BC Ferries and First Nations I just wanted to draw people's attention to the fact that

[1:18:25] Voice 10: First Nation has signed a working agreement with BC Ferries and part of that came out of the

[1:18:32] Voice 10: application for a ferry terminal here so that's just interesting it was there's a news release

[1:18:39] Voice 10: and some news stories about that that happened between this trust council and last okay thank

[1:18:44] Voice 5: you very much trustee Colburn I will take that in the First Nations section that's really good news

[1:18:49] Voice 5: and um excellent um 14.1.2.1 trustee johnson um thank you for your uh project report here

[1:18:59] Voice 5: um and indeed that's simply the work that's happening on the ground there in your community

[1:19:04] Voice 5: and i'll uh just ask um if uh i'm presuming you don't have any additional information but perhaps

[1:19:11] Voice 5: if there are any questions for you on from council on that one otherwise we'll receive it for

[1:19:15] Voice 5: information and keep a note there was an amendment that came later by email all right so i'm not

[1:19:24] Voice 5: seeing anything again thank you trustee johnson and your community for that work gulf isle national

[1:19:29] Voice 5: park reserve advisory committee uh if i'm not mistaken lee middleton you've been on that but

[1:19:36] Voice 5: i'm i'm gathering that nothing much is happening there over to you yes

[1:19:41] Trustee Middleton: chair that's right there's

[1:19:42] Trustee Middleton: There's been no meetings.

[1:19:46] Trustee Middleton: It's still a work in progress.

[1:19:49] Voice 5: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:19:50] Voice 5: 14.1.4, Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance.

[1:19:55] Voice 5: No report here.

[1:19:57] Voice 5: Certainly you can look at the Salt Spring Island

[1:20:00] Voice 5: meeting agendas to find some of the ongoing work

[1:20:03] Voice 5: that's going on there.

[1:20:04] Voice 5: Trustee Patrick, do you have any remarks for council?

[1:20:07] Trustee Patrick: Just quickly, we've been working on a strategic plan

[1:20:11] Trustee Patrick: for watershed protection on the island.

[1:20:13] Trustee Patrick: And it's intended, it's a coordinated strategic plan.

[1:20:17] Trustee Patrick: The consultant working with us has worked hard.

[1:20:20] Trustee Patrick: Our model is to have a whole bunch of logos

[1:20:23] Trustee Patrick: on the front of the various organizations

[1:20:24] Trustee Patrick: that are responsible.

[1:20:25] Trustee Patrick: And we set that out as a high goal

[1:20:28] Trustee Patrick: and it looks like it's gonna happen.

[1:20:30] Trustee Patrick: So it's truly a coordinated plan.

[1:20:33] Trustee Patrick: Stay tuned, we should have a draft at the end of October.

[1:20:37] Voice 5: Excellent, thank you for that.

[1:20:38] Voice 5: and thank you for your chairing on that um um taxation from salt spring uh 14.1.5 i'll cut

[1:20:51] Voice 5: some house down community forum i

[1:20:53] Trustee Stamford: can speak to that very briefly we haven't had a community

[1:20:58] Trustee Stamford: forum since the last time i spoke uh we are having an ocean watch committee meeting which

[1:21:04] Trustee Stamford: is a subcommittee of the community forum and i had already spoken to the advancement of the

[1:21:10] Trustee Stamford: the funding for the, I'll cut some house noise.

[1:21:15] Trustee Stamford: We'll leave it at that.

[1:21:16] Trustee Stamford: Okay,

[1:21:18] Voice 5: thank you very much, Kate Cooley-Stamford,

[1:21:21] Voice 5: for your work on that floor,

[1:21:23] Voice 5: and Dan and others that are involved in that work.

[1:21:29] Voice 5: Southern Gulf Islands Forum, those meetings are ongoing.

[1:21:33] Voice 5: Anybody have any remarks on that one?

[1:21:36] Voice 5: Jane Boverton.

[1:21:38] Voice 25: Yes, just to say that we had intended

[1:21:42] Voice 25: intended to have a meeting with some members of the government but it coincided with a cabinet

[1:21:50] Voice 25: meeting so that was postponed and so we'll be meeting briefly next week as the forum and then

[1:21:57] Voice 25: after the election that'll whoever is elected here will be carrying on with that but the main

[1:22:06] Voice 25: item at the moment has been the the anchorages and um we're continuing with that thank

[1:22:15] Voice 5: you for that

[1:22:15] Voice 5: bane sound forum yes

[1:22:19] Trustee Critchley: i can speak to that please go ahead quickly

[1:22:23] Voice 16: thank

[1:22:24] Trustee Critchley: you um the steering committee

[1:22:28] Trustee Critchley: for that organization continues to meet we have set a date for the for a new forum i believe it's

[1:22:37] Trustee Critchley: It's December 2nd, but don't quote me on that because I was just trying to confirm it.

[1:22:40] Trustee Critchley: And the topic will be on the health of Bain Sound, particularly looking at failing septic systems and the effect on the shellfish industry in particular and on the ecosystem in general.

[1:22:56] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[1:22:57] Trustee Critchley: Thank

[1:22:58] Voice 5: you very much for that.

[1:22:59] Voice 5: I want to acknowledge, David Critchley, you finally, after years and years and years of trying, have been appointed to the Shellfish Growers Association, I think it is.

[1:23:10] Voice 5: Can you just speak to that for a moment?

[1:23:12] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, certainly.

[1:23:14] Trustee Critchley: That is true.

[1:23:15] Trustee Critchley: Attempts to get a seat at what is a DFO table, it's called the Shellfish Agriculture Management Advisory Committee.

[1:23:27] Trustee Critchley: committee. And preceding my eight years on Trust Council, there were efforts to get a seat for

[1:23:35] Trustee Critchley: Islands Trust at that table. And for reasons unknown, it was really seemed to be resisted.

[1:23:41] Trustee Critchley: And I don't know if I think it might have been in connection with the Bainsound Forum and

[1:23:48] Trustee Critchley: attendance there of DFO people, and getting to meet them firsthand, some of the people higher

[1:23:54] Trustee Critchley: higher up in the chain. And lo and behold, rather than knocking on their door again, they actually

[1:24:02] Trustee Critchley: extended an invitation to make an application. So it's quite a formalized process. So

[1:24:08] Trustee Critchley: by agreement, there were two other trustees mentioned as well. We agreed that I'd be the

[1:24:14] Trustee Critchley: person put forward and was accepted. So away we go. And they meet, I believe, twice a year.

[1:24:20] Trustee Critchley: And it is a topic, of course, of quite significant importance to the residents of Denman Isle.

[1:24:27] Trustee Critchley: So I'm very pleased with that.

[1:24:29] Trustee Critchley: It is mentioned in our agenda.

[1:24:30] Trustee Critchley: If you really carefully read it, you would have seen a note in the legislation report there.

[1:24:37] Trustee Critchley: But that is good news.

[1:24:39] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[1:24:40] Voice 5: It is indeed.

[1:24:41] Voice 5: And thank you for your persistence on that.

[1:24:44] Voice 5: It's important to have our voice at those tables.

[1:24:46] Voice 5: Next item is 14.1.8.

[1:24:48] Voice 5: freighter anchorages update um just let you know that certainly every opportunity that was

[1:24:55] Voice 5: available to talk to this file at the minister's meetings and on the floor with other ministers and

[1:25:01] Voice 5: ministry staff was taken advantage of at ubcm um but a local uh reporting out um is there anybody

[1:25:08] Voice 5: and i know doug benton is on the phone and so just maybe ask you did you have i don't want to miss

[1:25:14] Voice 5: Did you have anything to report on your freighter anchorages file?

[1:25:20] Voice 14: The only thing I might mention is that the Alliance participated in the Phase 2 of the Vancouver Port Authority's interview process.

[1:25:31] Voice 14: It was part of a public engagement.

[1:25:34] Voice 14: It was out to a third-party contractor, so not somebody out there on the table.

[1:25:39] Voice 14: table um that meeting in itself uh was probably an hour and a half two hours um and you might have

[1:25:49] Voice 14: just you might have been involved and not yourself um from the island's trust side but

[1:25:56] Voice 14: the meeting was i thought was very um well done it was the individuals involved

[1:26:05] Voice 14: involved actually got sort of the interconnectedness of ecosystems and human health impact or you know

[1:26:11] Voice 14: human use impact so it'll be interesting to see um where they're how they report or what they're

[1:26:18] Voice 14: asked to report on but that's the first conversation that we've been involved with

[1:26:24] Voice 14: where there was actually any awareness of their interconnectedness of anchorages and the ecosystem

[1:26:31] Voice 14: system so fingers crossed that maybe there'll be something positive uh nothing specific to

[1:26:37] Voice 14: report on it but it was a reasonable conversation um other than that the the ships themselves are

[1:26:45] Voice 14: increasing not necessarily in numbers because they're quite they're quite high right now but

[1:26:50] Voice 14: the volume the turnover uh you know one one day in trincomalee and six the next and then they'll

[1:26:58] Voice 14: turnover you know every two or three days sometimes as opposed to um sticking around

[1:27:04] Voice 14: for a week so i'm not sure what's up but it's it's yeah it's just heading increased volume

[1:27:11] Voice 14: increased impacts

[1:27:13] Voice 5: thank you doug anybody else on the anchorages uh work uh trustee longer ice

[1:27:18] Voice 5: yeah

[1:27:20] Voice 20: just uh ancillary to this is the proposal of the national marine conservation area

[1:27:25] Voice 20: And if there is any potential to get the boundary extended to the northern side of Gabriola, and then depending on how far out it extends from the shore, it may have an impact on the proposed five anchorages that are still sitting there on the table off of Gabriola.

[1:27:44] Voice 20: And so if there can be support for extending the boundary, it may impinge upon that capacity, although it may be a counter to us being able to do it.

[1:27:55] Voice 20: but okay

[1:27:58] Voice 5: thank you for that um you know there was actually a planned uh forum um throughout

[1:28:07] Voice 5: mp allister mcgregor's office that was postponed due to some pending announcement which is yet to

[1:28:15] Voice 5: come so uh we'll have to see how all of that is unfolding so thank you very much uh trustee

[1:28:21] Voice 5: Johnson on the anchorages no on the on

[1:28:25] Voice 3: this section go ahead um you said this earlier I

[1:28:31] Voice 3: believe but it these reports have to be done a fair amount of time in advance of and submitted

[1:28:38] Voice 3: advance of the uh the trust council meeting but it's it's disappointing to be all the only one

[1:28:44] Voice 3: that does that it's certainly easy relatively easy in my case to write it up and in this case

[1:28:51] Voice 3: this month I sent an addendum, not an amendment.

[1:28:55] Voice 3: But it would save a considerable amount of time

[1:28:58] Voice 3: if people had whatever information there is ahead of time,

[1:29:02] Voice 3: could read it, could have questions or comments.

[1:29:05] Voice 3: So I would request that that happen more in future.

[1:29:10] Voice 3: I intend to make sure that reports keep coming

[1:29:13] Voice 3: to Trust Council from and about the project on Mesquite.

[1:29:17] Voice 3: and I will be sending more information about several things including a lecture series at

[1:29:24] Voice 3: Simon Fraser University on First Nations and land use I think the first one of which is at the end

[1:29:31] Voice 3: of this before the end of the month and then National Truth and Reconciliation Day I think

[1:29:37] Voice 3: it's officially called is either the last day of the month I think it's coming up very soon too

[1:29:43] Voice 3: so that's thank you well

[1:29:46] Voice 5: thank you very much and rather than be disappointed uh um

[1:29:51] Voice 5: trustee johnson um i'd like to uh thank you for

[1:29:55] Voice 5: consistently getting reports into this section as we have tried to do and absolutely

[1:30:00] Voice 5: others to do the same.

[1:30:01] Voice 5: So thank you very much, Trustee Johnson, for your work.

[1:30:05] Voice 5: The next item, if that's all right, is I'll go to 14.2.

[1:30:08] Voice 5: This is a priority charts of all of the work

[1:30:11] Voice 5: that's going on throughout the trust area

[1:30:14] Voice 5: and the committees.

[1:30:15] Voice 5: And that's there for your information

[1:30:18] Voice 5: and public's information.

[1:30:20] Voice 5: And unless there's any questions,

[1:30:21] Voice 5: I will suggest we've received that for information.

[1:30:26] Voice 5: All right, proposed November trust council agenda.

[1:30:29] Voice 5: agenda that again is here for your information and unless there's some concerns about it

[1:30:40] Voice 5: perhaps actually the CAO might even want to speak to that I know that he said earlier that

[1:30:46] Voice 5: the next month here is going to be spent getting preparation and for the upcoming council meetings

[1:30:53] Voice 5: and the elections process, but if...

[1:30:57] Voice 5: Sure.

[1:30:58] Voice 5: Okay, thank you, Steve.

[1:30:59] Voice 5: So this is the

[1:31:00] Voice 4: sort of a guideline approach,

[1:31:05] Voice 4: taking into account many of your suggestions

[1:31:08] Voice 4: over the last couple of days around how to deliver this.

[1:31:11] Voice 4: This is going to be a live session.

[1:31:13] Voice 4: We're going to try...

[1:31:14] Voice 4: I'm not going to repeat myself.

[1:31:15] Voice 4: These are the broad areas.

[1:31:17] Voice 4: We're not going to try and cram too much information in.

[1:31:22] Voice 4: The December...

[1:31:23] Voice 4: So these are the sort of the initial required elements to get the new trustees and returning trustees up and functioning.

[1:31:34] Voice 4: Of course, there's a second section, a session on December 6th, 7th and 8th, where finance and the budget process will be a priority,

[1:31:47] Voice 4: as will a little more specifics around meeting procedures and crafting of motions and tools for

[1:31:54] Voice 4: trustees going forward um you know the second session is online and electronic and i appreciate

[1:32:00] Voice 4: that um that has a cost factor associated with it i'm don't know if i'm convinced that that's

[1:32:08] Voice 4: the best way to get together and train um over three days but that's where we are um and i'll

[1:32:15] Voice 4: I'll be reporting back to EC as they meet,

[1:32:17] Voice 4: I think, one more time as we refine this list.

[1:32:21] Voice 4: But this is our main work over the next month,

[1:32:23] Voice 4: is filling the meeting schedule out

[1:32:26] Voice 4: and the materials for this meeting

[1:32:27] Voice 4: and the meeting that follows it.

[1:32:29] Voice 5: Okay, and thank you, CEO.

[1:32:32] Voice 5: Now, I do see a question there from Trustee Morrison.

[1:32:34] Voice 5: Go ahead.

[1:32:35] Trustee Morrison: Yes, I noticed on the November 1st to 3rd schedule

[1:32:39] Trustee Morrison: that there isn't any kind of town hall.

[1:32:42] Trustee Morrison: Am I just misunderstanding something?

[1:32:53] Voice 13: sorry it's it's right there after lunch on Thursday the third it's called comments on

[1:32:58] Voice 13: the third day so

[1:33:01] Trustee Morrison: we only have half an hour for public comments so

[1:33:05] Voice 4: far but that certainly can

[1:33:08] Voice 4: be amended we're in the process of developing it so there will be a public comment session

[1:33:15] Voice 4: usually public comments you schedule half an hour or you schedule some time and it is either

[1:33:20] Voice 4: shorter longer as the public um chooses so we'll be mindful of that

[1:33:26] Trustee Morrison: okay and i would um ask us to

[1:33:29] Trustee Morrison: just think about how long the town hall was like in these last few meetings um and consider that

[1:33:34] Trustee Morrison: this is a brand new council that it could be lots more people want to come and talk

[1:33:38] Trustee Morrison: so um i would suggest a longer session thank you okay that's

[1:33:46] Voice 5: a good comment thank you okay

[1:33:47] Voice 5: Okay. Thank you. Trustee Allen.

[1:33:51] Voice 19: Excuse me. Yeah. Thank you. We kind of discussed this in our outbreak yesterday. I needed to jog my memory about it. But for those that are running for vice chair, chair and conservancy, they will be sending their bios out before this trust council. Is that not correct?

[1:34:10] Voice 19: Didn't we do that before? It seems to me somebody said yes, it did happen the last beginning of trust council.

[1:34:16] Voice 19: yes

[1:34:17] Voice 4: so we're ever mindful of the issue and the need to get information to people

[1:34:24] Voice 4: as soon as possible so soon after the election proper we're going to be reaching out to all of

[1:34:29] Voice 4: the um the trustees or the the um the trustees that will be inaugurated on the on the first

[1:34:38] Voice 4: and providing them some context with regards all the things that that i think you're referring to

[1:34:44] Voice 4: So roles on committees, executive committee, and so forth, and then soliciting their information, providing it for them.

[1:34:52] Voice 4: Even yesterday, there was a suggestion to look at some sort of more informal process before this for people to have some conversation.

[1:35:02] So we're

[1:35:04] Voice 4: going to be doing our best to provide that.

[1:35:06] Voice 19: Sorry, would that be a Zoom meeting? I might have missed that when I had to leave early yesterday.

[1:35:11] Voice 19: today not

[1:35:11] Voice 4: that specific yet i'm just illustrating that i'm hearing that one of the ideas uh is not

[1:35:18] Voice 4: dialed down to is it a zoom meeting whether it's a zoom meeting or not just looking if there's

[1:35:22] Voice 4: as many opportunities as possible for people to get to know each other prior to um

[1:35:31] Voice 4: wednesday november 2nd

[1:35:32] Voice 19: yeah that's great that's great thank you thank

[1:35:36] Voice 5: you any further questions

[1:35:38] Voice 5: So we'll receive that for information and indeed the remarks about the timing will be considered as the executive committedly puts their mark on this next meeting.

[1:35:52] Voice 5: Thank you very much, everybody.

[1:35:54] Voice 5: The next section here, 14.4, is disposition of delegations and public comments.

[1:36:01] Voice 5: Normally, certainly a letter of thanks is provided for the delegations.

[1:36:05] Voice 5: We do not necessarily respond directly to the individuals that were just providing public comment.

[1:36:12] Voice 5: And so we had Marges and Sketch and go find the alliance as delegates.

[1:36:18] Voice 5: And those thank you letters will go out.

[1:36:20] Voice 5: As I've said, is there any further action the council would like to take with respect to those three delegations?

[1:36:29] Voice 5: I'm seeing Trustee Wright's hand is up.

[1:36:32] Voice 12: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:36:33] Voice 12: Chair, I'd like to suggest that the GIA report

[1:36:38] Voice 12: be included in the trustee package for new trustees

[1:36:42] Voice 12: so they have some opportunity to look at the information

[1:36:49] Voice 12: that was provided on them and take it into consideration.

[1:36:53] Voice 12: Okay,

[1:36:53] Voice 5: so then would you like to make a motion

[1:36:55] Voice 5: to advance that to a future council?

[1:36:59] Voice 5: I

[1:37:00] Voice 12: would move that the GIA letter and addendum be forwarded to the trustee information packages

[1:37:11] Voice 12: or included in the trustee information package.

[1:37:14] Voice 12: I'll second that.

[1:37:16] Voice 12: All right.

[1:37:18] Voice 5: So do I have a seconder?

[1:37:20] Voice 5: Is the trustee?

[1:37:21] Voice 27: Yes.

[1:37:25] Voice 5: So then is there any discussion on that motion?

[1:37:29] Voice 5: uh touch the so speakers on the motion looks like chrisley rogers patrick and johnston so rogers

[1:37:36] Voice 5: you're still hand is up so please talk to you about that

[1:37:41] Trustee Rogers: i i believe that uh i i would like

[1:37:45] Trustee Rogers: to amend the motion so that it includes the the uh the legal opinion from young anderson as well

[1:37:51] Trustee Rogers: uh which addresses a similar issue uh in a contrary point of view uh to the um the one from

[1:37:59] Trustee Rogers: uh the gia i think

[1:38:03] Voice 5: that was part of the appendices to that no

[1:38:05] Trustee Rogers: it wasn't it was only the one letter

[1:38:06] Trustee Rogers: from the pender for i say

[1:38:09] Trustee Rogers: okay and there is a letter from mr bull closer that was um

[1:38:15] Voice 4: so i would like to address that i'd just like to ask a matter of clarification so are we saying

[1:38:21] Voice 4: that in the orientation process that these matters are provided or is it that day one

[1:38:30] Voice 4: new trustees are provided these contextual materials that they may or may not understand

[1:38:36] Voice 4: the context associated with it we when we do orientation materials it's a it's across four

[1:38:43] Voice 4: or five different means of communication so there's a booklet that you can refer to

[1:38:49] Voice 4: um there's welcome letters there's sessions that we conduct um there's contracted people that come

[1:39:00] Voice 4: in uh that do work so when we're disposing of this recommendation is the intention that you're

[1:39:09] Voice 4: saying that we would then develop something and send it directly to new trustees i would recommend

[1:39:16] Voice 4: that that if that's the case that that be in some context of them coming on it might be people that

[1:39:23] Voice 4: don't know legislative procedure um nor the specific issues associated with the trust so

[1:39:30] Voice 4: just to be nested in within the context of um of the work of the trust or direction to that effect

[1:39:39] Voice 4: we're in the process of putting this material together how what we

[1:39:45] Voice 5: do this best to satisfy

[1:39:48] Voice 5: by your interest so let's go back to the mover of the motion to speak to the intent of the motion

[1:39:55] Voice 5: I

[1:39:57] Voice 12: think it's important that new trustees and how it is forward I just assume there'd be a package

[1:40:02] Voice 12: going out to inform them but this this these discussions we have and I completely agree with

[1:40:08] Voice 12: trustee Rogers that the other opinion be also included but it gives them some historical

[1:40:17] Voice 12: of the historical context of the conversations

[1:40:18] Voice 12: and decisions that have been made

[1:40:20] Voice 12: and why those decisions were made in council.

[1:40:22] Voice 12: And I think those are important in forming the basis

[1:40:25] Voice 12: of their idea and understanding of how the trust operates

[1:40:29] Voice 12: and what its expectations are and under the mandate.

[1:40:34] Voice 12: So I have no

[1:40:35] Voice 12: problem with amending the motion.

[1:40:40] Voice 4: My understanding is better.

[1:40:42] Voice 4: As long as that material is provided as directed,

[1:40:47] Voice 4: it's a broad enough direction that that material goes forward with other contextual material that

[1:40:52] Voice 4: we're developing right now.

[1:40:54] Voice 12: Yeah, how are you delivering? I'll leave the staff.

[1:40:58] Voice 4: Perfect, thank

[1:40:58] Voice 5: you. Just wanted to understand. Okay, so I'm going to get cumbersome here and ask for that motion to

[1:41:06] Voice 5: go on the screen because indeed, Trustee Rogers, you need to make an amendment to the motion

[1:41:10] Voice 5: to include specifically what that other information is

[1:41:16] Voice 5: that you want added.

[1:41:20] Voice 5: And there you go, there's the first one.

[1:41:27] Trustee Rogers: Yes, so I would move that that be it amended to read

[1:41:32] Trustee Rogers: that the GIA letter and addendum

[1:41:35] Trustee Rogers: and the young Anderson legal opinion

[1:41:39] Trustee Rogers: regarding the scope of section three

[1:41:42] Trustee Rogers: be included in the new trustee information package and addendum and the young anderson

[1:41:52] Trustee Rogers: legal opinion regarding that's going to have to be provided in camera by the way

[1:42:02] Trustee Rogers: legal opinion regarding the scope of section three be included in the new trustees information

[1:42:13] Trustee Rogers: thank

[1:42:15] Voice 5: you so now to have a seconder for the amendment trustee wolverton thank you and now

[1:42:24] Voice 5: Now I'll call for speakers on the amendment,

[1:42:30] Voice 5: Trustee Colburn and Allen, on the amendment.

[1:42:35] Voice 10: Sorry, I'll go back to the speaker's list

[1:42:37] Voice 10: for the full motion, I'm in favor of this amendment.

[1:42:40] Voice 5: Thank you, Trustee Allen on the amendment.

[1:42:43] Voice 19: I'm going to call on Colburn,

[1:42:44] Voice 19: I'll just talk to the first one, thank you.

[1:42:46] Voice 5: Thank you, so then I'll call for the,

[1:42:49] Voice 5: lower your hands please, I'll call for the vote

[1:42:52] Voice 5: on the amendment, not seeing any other speakers.

[1:42:54] Voice 5: All those in favor of the amendments?

[1:42:59] Voice 14: Aye.

[1:43:01] Voice 5: Thank you, Doug.

[1:43:02] Voice 5: All right, so it looks like 17 or 18 in favor.

[1:43:11] Voice 5: Any opposed?

[1:43:12] Voice 5: Please lower your hands if you're not opposed.

[1:43:17] Voice 5: There are none opposed, so that carries unanimously.

[1:43:20] Voice 5: And now Trustee Brent, I will call for the vote

[1:43:23] Voice 5: on the amended motion.

[1:43:26] Voice 5: And are there any speakers?

[1:43:28] Voice 5: Trustee Colburn, Trustee Patrick, and then Allen.

[1:43:37] Voice 10: Yeah, I have to say I'm a little uncomfortable with dictating or sort of sending forth the politics of this term into the next.

[1:43:44] Voice 10: And Gulf Islands Alliance is a think tank, you know, made up almost exclusively of former trustees and they have a viewpoint.

[1:43:51] Voice 10: It's their responsibility to get that viewpoint across in their own advocacy work.

[1:43:57] Voice 10: I believe that Vice Chair Rogers has attempted to add some balance to this.

[1:44:02] Voice 10: But I would be more comfortable with the neutral voices of staff putting together the orientation package based on the legislative facts in front of people.

[1:44:10] Voice 10: And if the Gulf Islands Alliance wants to influence the next term of trustees, I recommend that they do that work on their own.

[1:44:18] Voice 5: Thank you very much, Trustee Colburn.

[1:44:21] Voice 5: Trustee Patrick?

[1:44:23] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I was very much similar to what Trustee Colburn is saying.

[1:44:27] Trustee Patrick: I think we want to set this next trustee group up for success.

[1:44:32] Trustee Patrick: process um the conversations around the mandate need to be done you know thoroughly and correctly

[1:44:38] Trustee Patrick: not correctly but in a robust way um and i think that needs to be scheduled and planned and just

[1:44:45] Trustee Patrick: simply putting a bunch of legal opinions into a their package is not going to help that so i will

[1:44:51] Trustee Patrick: be voting against this thank

[1:44:53] Voice 5: you trustee patrick trustee alan yeah

[1:44:56] Voice 19: not wanting to sound too

[1:44:57] Voice 19: redundant i'm you know i follow up with colburn and patrick said and you know the new trustees

[1:45:02] Voice 19: are inundated with all this information and as CEO Austin Spiller excuse me said that you know

[1:45:08] Voice 19: having this with no context whatsoever and it doesn't make sense to be introducing this kind

[1:45:13] Voice 19: of information the first day of your or council of your term I think it should be you know down

[1:45:21] Voice 19: the road or even as Colmer says for Gulf Alliance to present it at another trust council so I will

[1:45:28] Voice 19: We'll not be voting in favor.

[1:45:30] Voice 5: Thank you, Trustee Allen.

[1:45:31] Voice 5: Trustee Peterson.

[1:45:34] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm just going to agree with trustees,

[1:45:36] Voice 9: Colburn, Patrick, and Allen.

[1:45:38] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:45:39] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[1:45:40] Voice 5: Not seeing any other speakers, I'll call the vote.

[1:45:43] Voice 5: All those in favor.

[1:45:53] Voice 5: So I see five in favor.

[1:45:56] Voice 5: And so please lower your hands

[1:45:58] Voice 5: and I'll call for those in opposition, those opposed.

[1:46:04] Voice 5: opposed so clearly that uh 16 17 18 trustee Fenton didn't hear your yeah

[1:46:20] Voice 14: I'm not in favor

[1:46:22] Voice 14: I just have to be thinking the um comments that have been made by just wanting to make

[1:46:28] Voice 14: sure I'm picking

[1:46:29] Voice 14: up thank you yeah yeah

[1:46:31] Voice 14: thank you that

[1:46:31] Voice 5: fails so thank you very much for uh

[1:46:36] Voice 5: attempting to advance that, Trustee Wright.

[1:46:38] Voice 5: Is there any other requests

[1:46:43] Voice 5: for responding to delegations from council?

[1:46:46] Voice 5: And I see Trustee Scott and Critchley.

[1:46:55] Voice 7: Sorry, I didn't lower my hand.

[1:46:59] Voice 5: So, okay, it looks like hands are all lowered.

[1:47:03] Voice 5: Although, let's get the chair's hand down.

[1:47:07] Voice 5: It looks like there's no further action

[1:47:09] Voice 5: with this position to delegations.

[1:47:10] Voice 5: thank you very much council and of course letters of thanks will go out and it was interesting to

[1:47:14] Voice 5: hear that water theme so now we're going to go to section 15 this is correspondence

[1:47:21] Voice 5: there's a number of them here which normally we receive for information unless there's a specific

[1:47:29] Voice 5: direction from council i'm just going to go through these quickly one at a time the in the

[1:47:34] Voice 5: The letter regarding WSANIC,

[1:47:37] Voice 5: this was essentially forwarded to council

[1:47:40] Voice 5: from trust programs committee.

[1:47:44] Voice 5: It's also been sent already to the 2050 project follow,

[1:47:50] Voice 5: really grateful to the WSANIC leadership council staff

[1:47:55] Voice 5: for assisting us in our trust policy statement work.

[1:47:58] Voice 5: Is there any further direction there?

[1:47:59] Voice 5: Trustee Morrison.

[1:48:00] Voice 5: thank

[1:48:02] Trustee Morrison: you um yes no further direction other than just to you know a little reply to them as is

[1:48:08] Trustee Morrison: appropriate in this situation um i don't think that we need do we don't need a motion for that

[1:48:13] Trustee Morrison: do we no okay

[1:48:15] Trustee Morrison: so um but i just maybe a quick comment if i made that um i just really appreciate

[1:48:21] Trustee Morrison: the wastage um weighing in on this more deeply and any first nations as we go forward this is

[1:48:28] Trustee Morrison: an iterative process and building partnerships so i really appreciate that given that um you know as

[1:48:34] Trustee Morrison: the chair of the tpc right now and just as a project generally thank you for that thank you

[1:48:39] Voice 13: there was also an updated letter uh circulated from the executive committee meeting

[1:48:45] Voice 13: uh with a different date regarding this that uh director freighter had asked to be circulated

[1:48:52] Voice 13: it was circulated all trustees okay

[1:48:55] Voice 5: so assuming trustees heard that there was an additional

[1:48:59] Voice 5: uh letter which was circulated to all trustees you will have received that

[1:49:04] Voice 5: i'm going to go to 15.2 thank you laurie uh 15.2 emergency management trans mountain uh

[1:49:10] Voice 5: regarding the fate and behavior of bitumen uh from june um there's uh i've had some communication

[1:49:18] Voice 5: from that organization with respect to work

[1:49:20] Voice 5: that they're doing looking for baseline data

[1:49:23] Voice 5: in Georgia Strait respecting potential oil spill actions.

[1:49:30] Voice 5: Is there anything there?

[1:49:32] Voice 5: We just received that for information otherwise.

[1:49:35] Voice 5: All right, Trustee Colburn.

[1:49:38] Voice 10: I'd like to just reiterate

[1:49:41] Voice 10: what the United Nations General Secretary said this week.

[1:49:46] Voice 10: I find this in the agenda package

[1:49:48] Voice 10: to be completely at odds with our mandate.

[1:49:55] Voice 10: And the PR that goes into this seems much more funded

[1:50:00] Voice 10: than any sort of ecosystem protection.

[1:50:02] Voice 10: And I think that needs to be voiced.

[1:50:04] Voice 10: These fossil fuel companies should be paying

[1:50:07] Voice 10: a much more fair share of the work that we're doing

[1:50:10] Voice 10: and others are doing to protect the ecosystems

[1:50:12] Voice 10: on all levels from their destructive activities.

[1:50:15] Voice 10: thank

[1:50:17] Voice 5: you very much trustee colvin for those words so we'll receive the letter for information

[1:50:21] Voice 5: and certainly the potential future advocacy trustee right uh uh we have a letter here

[1:50:29] Voice 5: council uh from trustee right considering the carrying capacity

[1:50:37] Voice 5: first again we would receive that for information unless council has some direction it would like

[1:50:41] Voice 5: like to take. Now, Trustee Coleman, I'm guessing you lower your hand. Do you want to speak to this

[1:50:47] Voice 5: one? Trustee Longer, do you want to speak to this one?

[1:50:50] Voice 20: Yes, I actually want to give a thanks for

[1:50:52] Voice 20: appreciation to Trustee Wright and to this following letter from Harleen Holm about the

[1:50:58] Voice 20: issue of carrying capacity. It's a topic that we've tended to skirt away from through our term

[1:51:04] Voice 20: and be unwilling to address it. It was raised at one point in the trust policy statement

[1:51:11] Voice 20: but we just don't want to address this question and so I appreciate them putting it forward and

[1:51:18] Voice 20: I hope that these letters get distributed post the election as well to new trustees.

[1:51:26] Voice 5: Well certainly they're part of the record the recorded record of council by being in our

[1:51:34] Voice 5: agenda package. Now I'm seeing Trustee Wright you wish to speak to your own letter?

[1:51:40] Voice 12: Yes, I forwarded a motion to Lori this morning.

[1:51:44] Voice 12: I was wondering if that could be put up on the screen for discussion.

[1:51:52] Voice 13: I apologize, Trustee Wright.

[1:51:54] Voice 13: I believe it was just a...

[1:51:58] Voice 12: It was only this morning.

[1:51:59] Voice 12: I'm sorry.

[1:52:00] Voice 5: No, I did respond.

[1:52:02] Voice 5: So are you wanting to make a motion about your letter to council?

[1:52:06] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:52:07] Voice 12: it

[1:52:08] Voice 5: seems a little unusual but i guess that that's reasonable so can we get that motion

[1:52:13] Voice 5: then up thank you very much for forwarding that to trustee to we almost got a promotion

[1:52:18] Voice 5: there to lori foster executive board manager might

[1:52:22] Voice 12: be a d motion just

[1:52:29] Voice 6: bear with us a moment

[1:52:49] Voice 15: sorry and

[1:53:00] Voice 5: in fact while we're waiting for it to show up on the screen lori

[1:53:03] Voice 5: uh steve why don't you read out your motion uh

[1:53:08] Voice 12: yeah i can do that um well

[1:53:10] Voice 12: There it is there.

[1:53:11] Voice 12: That Trust Council refer the concept of carrying capacity to the Regional Planning Committee for study and recommendations.

[1:53:20] Voice 5: Okay, so that's at the bottom of the screen there, Laurie.

[1:53:23] Voice 5: So do I have a seconder for Trustee Wright's motion?

[1:53:28] Voice 5: Is that Trustee Allen is seconding that?

[1:53:32] Voice 5: Yes, okay, thank you.

[1:53:33] Voice 5: So that's moved and seconded.

[1:53:37] Voice 5: So obviously the rationale for that, do you have rationale for that?

[1:53:41] Voice 5: or does that contain essentially the letter itself stands on its own do you like this trustee right

[1:53:49] Voice 12: i i think the uh the letter should um provide enough information for the rpc to um to

[1:53:55] Voice 12: open discussions on okay

[1:53:59] Voice 5: thank you uh just counsel any discussion on the

[1:54:04] Voice 5: forwarding this letter to the rpc trustee allen and johnston no

[1:54:09] Voice 19: i think this is uh really important

[1:54:11] Voice 19: This is a big conversation that's going on on our island right now, and it was, as Trustee

[1:54:18] Voice 19: Lingerie said, it was removed from the policy statement, I'm not sure why, so I think this

[1:54:23] Voice 19: is important.

[1:54:23] Voice 19: I hope this gets voted in.

[1:54:26] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:54:27] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:54:28] Voice 5: Trustee Johnson and Critchley.

[1:54:30] Voice 3: I don't know much about the parameters of carrying capacity, but I'm reminded frequently

[1:54:38] Voice 3: that there's an island on the east coast of the United States

[1:54:41] Voice 3: that is roughly the same size as Liskety Island.

[1:54:44] Voice 3: Liskety Island population is 500.

[1:54:47] Voice 3: The island's called Manhattan,

[1:54:50] Voice 3: and it's quite close to New York.

[1:54:53] Voice 3: So it might be useful, I won't oppose this motion,

[1:54:58] Voice 3: but it's carrying capacity,

[1:55:01] Voice 3: unless it's strictly defined the same way

[1:55:03] Voice 3: each time that term is used, is a very nebulous term.

[1:55:07] Voice 3: Thank

[1:55:08] Voice 5: you, Trustee Johnston. Trustee Kitchley, Patrick Longer, I was shaken.

[1:55:15] Trustee Critchley: Yes, thank you. I do support this motion. Some time ago in earlier stages of the Trust Policy

[1:55:23] Trustee Critchley: Statement Review, I raised the question of this and wish to have it included in the Trust Policy

[1:55:32] Trustee Critchley: I was informed by staff that it was really a major project and a standalone, and it was just not feasible to be done at that time. Nonetheless, I think it is something, it is a nettle that we need to grasp. And I'm not really comfortable with the idea that the name carrying capacity.

[1:55:54] Trustee Critchley: capacity. But for lack of a better term, I think we understand what we're getting out there.

[1:56:01] Trustee Critchley: And so I support it in the present form. And I hope that if this passes, the Regional Planning

[1:56:08] Trustee Critchley: Committee will look at other similar concepts, particularly in view of the letter of Harleen

[1:56:15] Trustee Critchley: Holm, which follows this, talking about ecological balance and so forth. But I think it's a topic we

[1:56:21] Trustee Critchley: need to get on to. And I support this. Thank you.

[1:56:24] Voice 5: And thank you. So, Trustee Johnson, you'll lower your hand if you spoke already. Trustee Patrick, you're shaken. And then Alan. Oh, no, sorry. Trustee Patrick Longerice, you're shaken. That's it.

[1:56:38] Voice 5: it i

[1:56:40] Trustee Patrick: i i understand uh i believe what uh trustee right is trying uh would like to do i mean i think

[1:56:47] Trustee Patrick: this is a big conversation and and it's it's it needs a lot of context and uh framing um

[1:56:58] Trustee Patrick: from the next trust council to to direct uh regional planning committee um on the project so

[1:57:07] Trustee Patrick: So I think sending it by itself is just, you know, I'm just not sure what it's going to achieve.

[1:57:16] Trustee Patrick: So that's my only comment is I think the next trust council needs to put their head around what is it that we're doing?

[1:57:24] Trustee Patrick: How do we measure and what kind of performance?

[1:57:26] Trustee Patrick: And it's sort of the ecological and community well-being.

[1:57:30] Trustee Patrick: There's a big, this is a big issue.

[1:57:32] Trustee Patrick: and um and i think it needs to be framed so that the the next uh regional planning committee can

[1:57:37] Trustee Patrick: respond appropriately and do the work that's that's needed thank

[1:57:43] Voice 5: you uh loggerheads and

[1:57:46] Voice 5: yeah i

[1:57:48] Voice 20: i support the motion i mean the comment about manhattan island is true that's current

[1:57:53] Voice 20: capacity there but that's when the human needs supersede all other living creatures needs

[1:57:59] Voice 20: and you know trees plants bugs whatever so this is really trying to look at carrying capacity from

[1:58:06] Voice 20: the ecological system as a whole and where one species doesn't through its ability for technology

[1:58:14] Voice 20: to overtake all other species i mean we need to start thinking in those terms that we are not the

[1:58:21] Voice 20: only ones on this planet and we rely on a lot of the other living creatures that we sometimes tend

[1:58:27] Voice 20: and to destroy through our own behavior.

[1:58:31] Voice 20: And I think it's an awareness, I think,

[1:58:33] Voice 20: that we need to increase in people.

[1:58:36] Voice 5: Thank you for those sobering thoughts, Trustee Langerhuis.

[1:58:40] Voice 5: Trustee Boucherkin, the final speaker.

[1:58:42] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:58:44] Trustee Busheikin: I have mixed feelings about this,

[1:58:47] Trustee Busheikin: but right now I'm likely to vote against it.

[1:58:49] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, I think carrying capacity,

[1:58:52] Trustee Busheikin: the whole concept and term was considered

[1:58:56] Trustee Busheikin: as part of the policy statement,

[1:58:58] Trustee Busheikin: And we backed away from it. And from what I understand, and I tried to educate myself at that time. And then when I read these letters, I did more research, late night Googling, that kind of thing. But I don't even think it's the right term for what we want.

[1:59:15] Trustee Busheikin: I think it's a I think that what we want to get a handle on is what measurements do we use to

[1:59:24] Trustee Busheikin: guide our land use planning so that it does not so that we stay within maybe ecological balance is

[1:59:35] Trustee Busheikin: the better term and but also like what will we do like what are we doing with carrying capacity

[1:59:41] Trustee Busheikin: capacity once we figure out if that's the term and the set of measurements or there's other sets

[1:59:45] Trustee Busheikin: of measurements um what do we do with this is this do we want to feed it into the itps do we

[1:59:52] Trustee Busheikin: want to have it as information to guide our ocps like it's i feel like it's a lot of just

[2:00:00] Trustee Busheikin: discussion about um the environment without pinning it to actionability and um i just i can

[2:00:11] Trustee Busheikin: imagine if you know being on rpc next term and just like not like it's just so big and vague and

[2:00:16] Trustee Busheikin: is it useful when we actually have a big list of things for rpc to do that are fairly targeted at

[2:00:22] Trustee Busheikin: this point that maybe are doing some of what this would suggest we do like protecting uh forest

[2:00:29] Trustee Busheikin: cover and protecting groundwater. So I'm just worried this will actually become a theoretical

[2:00:37] Trustee Busheikin: and very vague, huge piece of work that will take away from practical things we can do that will

[2:00:43] Trustee Busheikin: actually make a difference on the ground.

[2:00:48] Voice 5: Trustee Boucherkin. So we have now Colburn,

[2:00:50] Voice 5: Allen, and Wright.

[2:00:56] Voice 10: In the interest of time, Trustee Boucherkin has said what I was going to say.

[2:01:01] Voice 10: indicators uh measurements are are are the way to do this um and uh you know the ecological

[2:01:07] Voice 10: footprint some some users are denser than others so um this is uh more nuanced um and uh i think

[2:01:16] Voice 10: this should be um um definitely spoken about in the context of a new policy statement and and that

[2:01:22] Voice 10: i would rather leave that up to the process that we've already established

[2:01:26] Voice 5: let's see alan and then

[2:01:28] Voice 5: right i

[2:01:30] Voice 19: remember reading a quote about carrying capacity that it's a delightfully simple

[2:01:35] Voice 19: it's delightfully simple concept but exceedingly difficult um i look at it as as uh in terms of

[2:01:43] Voice 19: recreational capacity in terms of tourists i am and then also the amount of density in terms of

[2:01:50] Voice 19: housing i'm not sure why people have an issue with the definition of carrying capacity and

[2:01:54] Voice 19: uh i'm sure the regional planning committee would figure that out and come back to us

[2:01:59] Voice 19: but I don't understand why people are having an issue with defining this.

[2:02:04] Voice 5: Thank you and right and Scott and anytime you're ready to vote I'd be happy to call the vote.

[2:02:13] Voice 12: I'm not necessarily comfortable with this council trying to rule from the grave so to speak.

[2:02:21] Voice 12: I don't want to underestimate the capability or interest of the future Regional Planning

[2:02:28] Voice 12: Committee members. I think they are fully capable of reading this document and coming

[2:02:32] Voice 12: to their own conclusions on what they should and how they should deal with it. And I think it's

[2:02:37] Voice 12: inappropriate for us to try and, as they say, rule from the grave. So I just, I don't understand

[2:02:47] Voice 12: some of the comments and arguments against this motion.

[2:02:50] Voice 12: Thank

[2:02:53] Voice 5: you, Trustee Scott.

[2:02:57] Voice 7: Yes, thank you. I absolutely agree with what Alex Allen said there. I really want to thank

[2:03:04] Voice 7: Steve for his very thoughtful um motion and it is a big topic it is stated simply and generally but

[2:03:14] Voice 7: it leaves the door open for the next uh planning folks to figure out what exactly it means and how

[2:03:21] Voice 7: they want to approach it rather than trying to nail it down here which i think would be even a

[2:03:24] Voice 7: bigger mistake so i'll definitely be voting for it thank you all

[2:03:29] Voice 5: right uh take your hand down there

[2:03:32] Voice 5: trustee scott you had it down and now you put it back up and that's fine let me call the vote

[2:03:38] Voice 5: on the motion that's up on the bottom of your screen there um all those in favor

[2:03:55] Voice 5: all those in favor so it looks like 12 or 13. trustee fenton do you want to chime in on this one

[2:04:09] Voice 3: in favor or

[2:04:10] Voice 6: not thank you sir all

[2:04:13] Voice 5: right please lower your hands and those opposed please leave

[2:04:21] Voice 5: your hand put your hands up those opposed raise your hands so that's three opposed so that motion

[2:04:30] Voice 5: carries thank you council i'm going to move on to 15.4 letter from harley home uh echoing

[2:04:38] Voice 5: the same message in a different voice um and we'll just receive that for information unless

[2:04:43] Voice 5: there's direction to do otherwise uh trustee scott you've lowered your hand or you're just

[2:04:55] Voice 5: hinting for me to lower my hand sorry

[2:04:57] Voice 7: i did it again like you

[2:05:01] Voice 5: you

[2:05:01] Voice 7: have a much better excuse than i do thank you there

[2:05:06] Voice 5: are no excuses 15.5 is a response from

[2:05:12] Voice 5: the previous response regarding council urging the federal and provincial gas to support global

[2:05:18] Voice 5: initiatives for a fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty and i think we can receive that for

[2:05:27] Voice 5: information on this as others you will be interested to know that if i'm not mistaken

[2:05:34] Voice 5: UBCM did not support advancing that as a UBCM thing.

[2:05:40] Voice 5: It was a close vote.

[2:05:41] Voice 5: They ended up having to do a count on the floor,

[2:05:44] Voice 5: but it did not advance.

[2:05:47] There were a lot of concerns

[2:05:49] Voice 5: about that transition period.

[2:05:54] Voice 5: So just for your information.

[2:05:55] Voice 5: So not seeing any hands,

[2:05:56] Voice 5: we'll receive that for information.

[2:05:58] Voice 5: A letter from Minister Osborne regarding the request

[2:06:01] Voice 5: for new legislation to protect and restore biological diversity and ecosystem health

[2:06:06] Voice 5: and that letter is there for you to digest and i would suggest we also receive that for

[2:06:12] Voice 5: information unless there's other directions not seeing any and that concludes the correspondence

[2:06:17] Voice 5: section of our agenda and um quite clearly the next meeting will be november the first through

[2:06:25] Voice 5: the third and i hope that i might be there and i hope to greet those of you that are successful

[2:06:31] Voice 5: in re-election and I will miss many of you sitting at the table but I hope that the

[2:06:39] Voice 5: relationships that we've developed we can continue to enjoy as residents of the Gulf Islands

[2:06:46] Voice 5: Council it has been challenging it would be only fair for me to say to be your chair

[2:06:51] Voice 5: and I'm but I'm grateful to have had that opportunity to work with you so unless there's

[2:06:58] Voice 5: for the business can i

[2:07:01] Trustee Rogers: just say thank you very much mr chair for uh moving us through and in a

[2:07:06] Trustee Rogers: uh a gentle as gentle a way as possible in this last four years it's not been it's not been the

[2:07:13] Trustee Rogers: easy ride and we appreciate uh a all of the effort that you put into it i know how stressful it has

[2:07:20] Trustee Rogers: been at and how much prep work goes into getting ready for this this function so thank you very

[2:07:25] Trustee Rogers: much sir uh and uh farewell to many of you

[2:07:30] Voice 27: second

[2:07:31] Trustee Rogers: dude i second that

[2:07:33] Voice 3: too yes

[2:07:34] Voice 5: thank you thank you

[2:07:35] Voice 5: as

[2:07:36] Voice 20: well so

[2:07:38] Voice 5: i raised my hands to you likewise

[2:07:40] Voice 20: if there's no further

[2:07:45] Voice 5: business i have a call for

[2:07:48] Voice 5: adjournment of this final trust council meeting of the 2018-2022 trust council thank you to each

[2:07:57] Voice 5: each and every one of you.

[2:07:59] Voice 5: Oh, and to staff, let's not forget the amazing support

[2:08:04] Voice 5: that we have received from staff

[2:08:07] Voice 5: throughout this entire journey.

[2:08:08] Voice 5: Second that one too.

[2:08:10] Voice 5: Thank you for

[2:08:10] Voice 5: paddling in the canoe with us.

[2:08:14] Voice 5: Lots of applause happening on the screen.

[2:08:18] Voice 10: So long and thanks for all the fish.

[2:08:19] Voice 5: All those in favor of adjournment.

[2:08:22] Voice 5: And we

[2:08:23] Voice 10: can raise our

[2:08:23] Voice 5: hands digitally or electronically.

[2:08:25] Voice 5: electronically. Thank you very much.