Islands Trust Conservancy Board community information meeting, September 24, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 3: thank you for joining

[0:00:04] Voice 10: us on this beautiful uh

[0:00:06] Voice 3: fall day uh in a beautiful galliano island

[0:00:13] Voice 3: uh welcome to this special community information meeting uh of the galliano local trust committee

[0:00:21] Voice 3: and the applicant is the only money item on the agenda we're going to

[0:00:25] Voice 3: adopt the agenda in a moment

[0:00:26] Voice 3: before we start uh i'd like to just take a moment to um just tell people that i think there's more

[0:00:35] Voice 3: chairs in the in the in the closet are there not yes sir and

[0:00:39] Voice 3: there's actually more room on the

[0:00:41] Voice 3: the stage side of the of the uh of the room than there are there is on the main side of the room

[0:00:49] Voice 10: and

[0:00:50] Voice 3: there's some seats up here behind the camera

[0:00:52] Voice 3: um just let people settle in um like to acknowledge that we're we're meeting in the

[0:01:02] Voice 3: in the traditional territories of a number of coast salish uh first nations and of course

[0:01:09] Voice 3: indigenous peoples have lived in these uh these lands and on these islands for millennia but we're

[0:01:16] Voice 3: grateful perhaps to have the ability to both live and work and play here on galliano and to really

[0:01:22] Voice 3: want to recognize this is the traditional territory of the uh penelope first nation um

[0:01:33] Voice 3: this is a special meeting of the galliano local trust committee

[0:01:40] Voice 3: and it is being uh live streamed it's also being zoomed uh so that people can join and if

[0:01:51] Voice 3: just wanted to point out because sometimes people get confused by this if you're joining

[0:01:56] Voice 3: us electronically today thank you for joining uh if you wish to participate in the community

[0:02:02] Voice 3: information meetings um at some point you'll need to join the webinar link the attend you'll have

[0:02:09] Voice 3: hit the attend button as opposed to uh hit the live stream if you hit the live stream then you

[0:02:16] Voice 3: will simply be um on be watching the proceedings electronically but you will not have the opportunity

[0:02:24] Voice 3: to to join us um and also i'll point out for anybody interested the the uh the meeting is

[0:02:31] Voice 3: also being recorded as best we can so there's cameras camera

[0:02:36] Voice 3: here it's being recorded the

[0:02:38] Voice 3: speaker for the camera for the proceedings is in the camera so uh it's important that we try and

[0:02:45] Voice 3: keep the background noise down as much as possible so that the recording and the people

[0:02:50] Voice 3: watching electronically can hear the proceedings that are going in. I know I occasionally have

[0:02:55] Voice 3: gotten emails from people during the proceedings and they couldn't hear what was going on

[0:02:59] Voice 3: very clearly if there was background noise. So that's an important component of this because

[0:03:07] Voice 3: that's the best we can do. And it is a pretty sensitive camera, but it doesn't catch it.

[0:03:12] Voice 3: uh so so you know i think i know i recognize most of the faces here um i'm dan rogers and i've had

[0:03:19] Voice 3: the uh privilege of being the the chair of the galliano local trust committee uh coming to the

[0:03:25] Voice 3: end of this term so that's it's coming to an end uh but it's we've okay at least have one more

[0:03:31] Voice 3: meeting at least next week but um i i'm the vice chair of the executive committee and and uh signed

[0:03:38] Voice 3: to be the chair and have been so since uh november of uh 20 no 2018 i guess uh with me today of

[0:03:46] Voice 3: course is trust committee uh trustee tahira rockefeller and trustee jane wolverton um

[0:03:54] Voice 3: between us we make up the galliano trust committee but actually today is not really

[0:03:59] Voice 3: about our presentation and our work as much as this presentation as it is information session

[0:04:04] Voice 3: for you uh also with us today is a planner brad smith who's the island planner for for island's

[0:04:12] Voice 3: trust for galliano and has been handling the applications before you uh we have um with us

[0:04:20] Voice 3: today a staff member robin who is with us in the south office more thank you this afternoon thank

[0:04:26] Voice 3: you robin and she'll be you may hear me talk to her because she'll be involved in promoting people

[0:04:31] Voice 3: people to to speak etc although I see we lost the only two panelists attendees we had so I'm hoping

[0:04:38] Voice 3: they they join um again uh and uh and we have a recorder Lauren Edwards who's joining us from

[0:04:46] Voice 3: Maine Island today now just a bit of a formality uh trustees there is an agenda this is a specially

[0:04:53] Voice 3: called meeting of the whole trust committee is there anything that anybody wishes to add to the

[0:04:57] Voice 3: agenda no yes we'll just simply adopt the agenda as presented and it would have been on the on the

[0:05:04] Voice 3: website and there's only one item on the agenda uh and i will just speak for a few minutes about

[0:05:09] Voice 3: the item today and um uh and then i'll turn it over to the people who are going to do a

[0:05:16] Voice 3: presentation the only item on this is the community information meeting for uh the crystal mountain

[0:05:23] Voice 3: and rezoning application uh and so what we're going to have is we're going to have uh two

[0:05:30] Voice 3: presentations one will probably be longer than the other the first will be from the planner who will

[0:05:35] Voice 3: outline the the sort of the bylaws and the nature of the application where it's at in the process

[0:05:40] Voice 3: etc and that'll be kind of grant smith and he'll walk you through that and then i'll turn over the

[0:05:46] Voice 3: the floor to the applicant who has a presentation to make to you uh to the community um about their

[0:05:54] Voice 3: application where it's at and what their plans are uh and then that the purpose of this meeting

[0:05:59] Voice 3: is for you it's called community information meeting it's an opportunity for uh the members

[0:06:04] Voice 3: of the community to ask questions of the applicant uh I want to make sure and I'll say this again

[0:06:10] Voice 3: when we get to this point this is not a public hearing this is a community information meeting

[0:06:14] Voice 3: public hearings are a more formal process where the whole purpose is for the members of the

[0:06:19] Voice 3: community to express their points of view about a particular matter whether it be a rezoning or

[0:06:24] Voice 3: an application that's not what this is we're not at that stage yet in the process we are at a

[0:06:29] Voice 3: community information meeting so this will be an opportunity for you to ask questions to get

[0:06:33] Voice 3: information for your own purposes so that you can decide for yourself what you think or what your

[0:06:38] Voice 3: point of view is and to elicit information or find out how you can get that information so

[0:06:44] Voice 3: we'll be asking you to keep your questions uh to that point to be to uh for you to elicit

[0:06:50] Voice 3: information as opposed to uh expressing your strongly held views one way or the other

[0:06:56] Voice 3: so that's the the purpose of today's meeting um and that's the process that we're going to use i

[0:07:02] Voice 3: you won't be hearing a lot from me except to monitor the the the question and answer

[0:07:08] Voice 3: session and I'll be moderating that. But beyond that, I will be operating, we'll be hearing

[0:07:16] Voice 3: mostly from the applicant, from the planner, and then

[0:07:18] Voice 3: of course from each other as you ask

[0:07:20] Voice 3: questions. I know the applicant has a number of representatives here to try and answer your

[0:07:26] Voice 3: questions and I'll let them introduce themselves. In the meantime, I'm going to turn it over to

[0:07:31] Voice 3: Planner Smith, who's going to introduce the application and the bylaws that are related

[0:07:35] Voice 3: related to that application and it's over to you sir

[0:07:38] Voice 10: we're

[0:07:42] Voice 3: going to try and move the camera around

[0:07:44] Voice 3: so whoever is doing the presenting at a particular point of time will be on cameras bear with us

[0:07:58] Voice 4: and yes you

[0:08:08] Voice 3: may want to turn your chair slightly because a lot of the information is going to end

[0:08:12] Voice 3: up on the screen up here um both from the the planner I'm sorry I should have said this

[0:08:18] Voice 3: the way we're set up is a little awkward and that's where it's going to be presented up on this

[0:08:23] Voice 3: screen on the stage what

[0:08:30] Voice 2: am i minimizing

[0:08:46] Voice 2: there

[0:08:47] Voice 12: are a couple of seats here in the front thank you

[0:08:50] Voice 10: thank you

[0:08:53] Voice 11: everyone so today we're here

[0:08:57] Voice 11: to talk about uh community information meeting for the crystal mountain society's rezoning

[0:09:02] Voice 11: application and so i'm just going to quickly run through where we're at with the application

[0:09:08] Voice 11: some background on how application processes work through the islands trust talk about the

[0:09:14] Voice 11: amending bylaws and some of the other instruments that are involved and then i will pass it over

[0:09:19] Voice 11: to the applicants and their representatives to talk about the application in more detail

[0:09:23] Voice 11: and where they're at with the many different aspects of it so today's agenda as i just

[0:09:30] Voice 11: talked about me giving this overview and the summary of the proposed bylaws and over to the

[0:09:36] Voice 11: applicants and then following that we should have plenty of time for questions and answers

[0:09:41] Voice 11: from the audience so just a bit of site context for those of you who are not familiar with crystal

[0:09:48] Voice 11: mountain uh application so uh there's two laws district plot 90 lot 9 which is this one right

[0:09:56] Voice 11: here and uh this one is uh sorry this one's lot nine this one is lot a this one is zoned forestry

[0:10:06] Voice 11: one so the only allowable forestry or the only allowable uses on this lab currently are

[0:10:12] Voice 11: forestry timber harvesting and accessory forestry uses the other lot is zoned rural two and so with

[0:10:20] Voice 11: the rural two zoning it would allow for one dwelling with the uh with one accessory cottage

[0:10:24] Voice 11: to that dwelling and both lots are owned by the Crystal Mountain Society and the combined totals

[0:10:31] Voice 11: of the two lots are 24.55 hectares with the residential lot being 4.05 hectares and the

[0:10:38] Voice 11: forestry lot being 20.5. So just a bit of application history this current application

[0:10:46] Voice 11: has been ongoing since 2014. Prior to that

[0:10:51] Voice 11: there was another similar application that

[0:10:53] Voice 11: that was considered by the local trust committee

[0:10:55] Voice 11: that I think started in 2004.

[0:10:58] Voice 11: So there's been a long history of this particular proposal

[0:11:03] Voice 11: being considered by the Islands Trust

[0:11:05] Voice 11: and the locally elected officials.

[0:11:08] Voice 11: This local trust committee in front of you today

[0:11:10] Voice 11: first considered their proposal in 2020

[0:11:15] Voice 11: after a period of time where the applicant

[0:11:17] Voice 11: was doing a bunch of work to revise

[0:11:19] Voice 11: and amend their proposal to bring back for further consideration so the original draft amending by

[0:11:25] Voice 11: laws 256 and 257 that we're talking about today were first received by the local trust committee

[0:11:30] Voice 11: in 2015. this local trust committee before you gave first reading to the bylaws in september of

[0:11:38] Voice 11: 2021 and they uh rescinded bylaw 257 which is the land use bylaw amendment and uh with some

[0:11:46] Voice 11: amendments gave a first reading again in july of 2022 and the island stress policy statement was

[0:11:51] Voice 11: also reviewed by the local trust committee in july of 2022 and the local trust committee resolved

[0:11:58] Voice 11: that the bylaws are not contrary to the stress policy statement in 2017 the local trust committee

[0:12:06] Voice 11: uh at that time so the original uh proposal by the applicant was to seek a hundred percent covenant

[0:12:13] Voice 11: approach so that they would retain the entire land base and create a covenant that would

[0:12:20] Voice 11: restrict the activities and development approach that they could take

[0:12:25] Voice 11: with community engagement and dialogue and some negotiation. The applicants

[0:12:33] Voice 11: have shifted their proposal to now they're proposing to give away 75% of the land base

[0:12:39] Voice 11: to the honest trust conservancy, and they will retain 25%.

[0:12:43] Voice 11: And you'll see more of how that property lays out

[0:12:46] Voice 11: when the applicants present their proposal.

[0:12:49] Voice 11: And so to the focus of today's CIM is to present information

[0:12:52] Voice 11: and answer questions.

[0:12:55] So

[0:12:58] Voice 11: just a brief overview of the resuming process.

[0:13:01] Voice 11: So provincial legislation authorizes local governments

[0:13:04] Voice 11: to adopt and amend official community plans

[0:13:07] Voice 11: and also to establish zoning through the development and application of land use bylaws.

[0:13:14] Voice 11: So bylaw 256 is a proposed official community plan amendment, OCP amendment,

[0:13:21] Voice 11: and bylaw 257 deals with the land use bylaw amendments.

[0:13:25] Voice 11: And then after I've done my brief presentation here,

[0:13:27] Voice 11: I'm going to walk through those two bylaws briefly as well,

[0:13:30] Voice 11: so that you have some sense of how they're structured and what they contain.

[0:13:33] Voice 11: So rezoning processes are typically application driven, as is this one.

[0:13:37] Voice 11: The final decisions are made by the local trust committee with respect to whether the bylaws get amended or not.

[0:13:43] Voice 11: And in this case, given there are OCP amendments, the Provincial Islands Trust Act legislation requires that provincial approval would also be required.

[0:13:52] Voice 11: So a step in an approval process should it get there would be for the Minister of the Municipal Affairs to approve the OCP amendments.

[0:14:02] Voice 11: prior to uh the local trust committee considering final adoption so as with all rezoning processes

[0:14:09] Voice 11: uh public hearing would be required prior to third reading of the of the draft bylaws

[0:14:15] Voice 11: uh of the proposed bylaws uh the currently the bylaws as i mentioned are sitting at first reading

[0:14:21] Voice 11: and there have been no decisions made by this local trust committee with respect to next steps

[0:14:25] Voice 11: including so this is really where they're at now this community information meeting and uh giving

[0:14:31] Voice 11: the opportunity to the community to ask questions and learn more about the proposal so just briefly

[0:14:42] Voice 11: the uh the changes to the bylaw themselves so we've adopted uh the changes of the ocp

[0:14:49] Voice 11: the new section of the ocp would be created with policy specific to spiritual education which is

[0:14:56] Voice 11: the proposed land use in this case and so the designation would change to the portion of land

[0:15:02] Voice 11: retained by crystal mountain to spiritual application and so that would be a 6.14 hectare

[0:15:08] Voice 11: portion that you'll see on the presentation from the applicants the actual land base that that is

[0:15:16] Voice 11: would be re-designated and the remainder of the two subject parcels would be designated as nature

[0:15:21] Voice 11: protection and the lands would be transferred through subdivision to the islands trust

[0:15:26] Voice 11: conservative and they would then own those lands and have they manage that authority

[0:15:35] Voice 11: the bylaw

[0:15:36] Voice 1: the land use bylaw

[0:15:37] Voice 11: amendments if adopted they would result in the

[0:15:40] Voice 11: the same 6.14 hectare portion of the two subject properties to be rezoned to a new zone called

[0:15:48] Voice 11: crystal mountain spiritual education retreat and the remainder of the the remainder would

[0:15:53] Voice 11: would also be zoned nature protection.

[0:15:56] Voice 11: So there's both a zoning and a designation

[0:15:59] Voice 11: called nature protection in the by-law.

[0:16:02] Voice 11: So the only use is currently permitted,

[0:16:04] Voice 11: as I spoke to earlier, in the F1 zone,

[0:16:07] Voice 11: are timber production and accessory forestry uses

[0:16:10] Voice 11: and residential in the Rural 2 zone.

[0:16:12] Voice 11: And so this rezoning to the new spiritual educational zone

[0:16:16] Voice 11: would allow for the spiritual education retreat

[0:16:19] Voice 11: on the portion retained by Crystal Mountain.

[0:16:22] Voice 11: Just a few details that have been important to the community.

[0:16:27] Voice 11: Cooking facilities would not be permitted in the sleeping huts, only in the two communal

[0:16:31] Voice 11: kitchens that are proposed.

[0:16:33] Voice 11: There are definitions, specific definitions of spiritual education retreats, sleeping

[0:16:38] Voice 11: hut and tent platform in the by-law, I'll show you those in a minute.

[0:16:42] Voice 11: The number of caretaker dwellings, sleeping huts and all other structures are listed in

[0:16:48] Voice 11: the by-law and they would be restricted to only those.

[0:16:51] Voice 11: and limits are also placed on the permanent density on the property including the maximum

[0:16:56] Voice 11: so there's also uh standard heights for uh building heights for the accessory dwelling

[0:17:04] Voice 11: and other structures and five meters to five meters those are pretty standard with all the

[0:17:08] Voice 11: other uh zoning uh requirements on the islands uh within the other uh zones and there's also

[0:17:15] Voice 11: uh standard setbacks that are established those are more or less consistent with many of the

[0:17:20] Voice 11: other zones so uh just with respect to the land transfer so uh in may of 2021 the islands trust

[0:17:31] Voice 11: conservancy board passed the polling resolutions i'm not going to speak to each other's solutions

[0:17:36] Voice 11: but essentially they uh they agree to the land transfer uh to the of the remainder to the

[0:17:43] Voice 11: the Conservancy, as long as these conditions are met

[0:17:47] Voice 11: and the applicant is working through addressing

[0:17:51] Voice 11: all of these conditions to ensure that the considerations

[0:17:56] Voice 11: of the Trust Conservancy Board are met.

[0:18:01] Voice 11: This include statutory right of way for emergency access,

[0:18:05] Voice 11: as well as considering the pagoda that is on the land base

[0:18:13] Voice 11: uh currently and uh how that would be used and access to the proponent to talk about uh their

[0:18:19] Voice 11: plan for that so other legal instruments that are also involved there's a land title act section 219

[0:18:29] Voice 11: covenant which is a charge secured against the title of the lands themselves not the owners so

[0:18:36] Voice 11: uh when a covenant when a section 219 covenant is applied it goes on to the title of the property

[0:18:42] Voice 11: and uh it is there in perpetuity regardless of the property owner

[0:18:46] Voice 11: uh land section 219 covenants can be broadly applied to regulate the land the use of land or

[0:18:52] Voice 11: the construction of structures this is uh all described in the land titles acts in terms of

[0:18:59] Voice 11: what can and cannot be part of the section 219 covenant and there is a draft covenant

[0:19:05] Voice 11: that currently considers uh what permitted structures are allowed by this amount of

[0:19:10] Voice 11: and society and and how they are cited on the land base um

[0:19:14] Voice 2: stating uh

[0:19:39] Voice 11: the the items that are

[0:19:40] Voice 11: currently considered in the in the draft covenant that's been developed uh the siting of structures

[0:19:46] Voice 11: and what structures are permitted uh the ecological protection measures that have been

[0:19:53] Voice 11: established through various professional reports consideration of a maintenance of 60

[0:20:01] Voice 11: forest cover so they would have to maintain at least 60 percent of the forest cover

[0:20:05] Voice 11: in perpetuity over time a number of groundwater use restrictions and monitoring requirements

[0:20:10] Voice 11: water storage and management requirements and further there's also development permit

[0:20:15] Voice 11: areas on the on the property so the ocp requires that development permit be issued for all

[0:20:21] Voice 11: subdivision of land where where a riparian and sensitive habitat development permit areas exist

[0:20:28] Voice 11: and both of these dpa types exist on the crystal mountain parcels so they would be required at time

[0:20:34] Voice 11: of subdivision to also apply for permits and also any future development within those dp areas may

[0:20:42] Voice 11: also require additional permits so other approvals and authorizations authorizations that are outside

[0:20:50] Voice 11: side of the realm of the islands trust so if the crystal mountain super if our rezoning is approved

[0:20:58] Voice 11: by the local trust committee they would require an issuance of a water license from the ministry

[0:21:04] Voice 11: of forest lands natural resource operations they have applied for this license and they're in the

[0:21:09] Voice 11: queue with with respect to adjudication of that license they would require subdivision approval

[0:21:16] Voice 11: approval from the province to transfer the lands to the Islands Trust Conservancy and retain their

[0:21:21] Voice 11: six hectare portion and add the actual building development stage it would require a building

[0:21:27] Voice 11: permit and all other uh authorities for the CRD Island Health and other applicable agencies just

[0:21:34] Voice 11: to note the LCC could choose to make rezoning subject to subdivision and or water license

[0:21:40] Voice 11: approval so they could uh authorize rezoning uh but not have it take effect until those

[0:21:50] Voice 11: other instruments are actually in place and if they were not approved by those other agencies

[0:21:56] Voice 11: then the zoning would not occur and the land base would be left zoned as it is so next steps in

[0:22:07] Voice 11: rezoning so today's caim is intended to further inform the local trust committee and the community

[0:22:12] Voice 11: about the application going forward the local trust committee could direct staff to schedule

[0:22:18] Voice 11: a public hearing or they could seek information before doing that if the application proceeds

[0:22:23] Voice 11: to a public hearing lcc could then consider third reading after that and as i mentioned earlier

[0:22:29] Voice 11: island's trust executive committee approval which is a committee of elected officials

[0:22:36] Voice 11: that consider all bylaw amendments for the island's trust area they would need to

[0:22:42] Voice 11: seek approval from that committee and also as i mentioned earlier the ocp amendments would

[0:22:48] Voice 11: require consideration and approval from the minister of municipal affairs before the local

[0:22:54] Voice 11: trust committee could then consider forth reading and adoption of the violence so that's my question

[0:23:02] Voice 11: i will quickly present just one second i'm just going

[0:23:07] Voice 2: to walk through the bylaws themselves

[0:23:09] Voice 2: So, these are the

[0:23:41] Voice 11: actual amending bylaws themselves. This is the bylaw 256, which is the OCP amendments.

[0:23:50] Voice 11: It's fairly straightforward, this one. Scrolling through, let's see who's going to be first reading on September 7th.

[0:24:01] Voice 11: so the ocp amendments would be to create a new subsection 4.4 under the community facilities

[0:24:11] Voice 11: heading but it's a completely separate and new section that only considers community

[0:24:21] Voice 11: or only considers this land use called spiritual education it has the specific objectives with

[0:24:30] Voice 11: respect to that spiritual education designation and has specific policies uh that are also

[0:24:38] Voice 11: reflective of that spiritual education uh designation so it also then has this year

[0:24:47] Voice 11: where it changes the map in the ocp schedules so the map would be changed from the current

[0:24:54] Voice 11: designations to this new spiritual education designation that's bylaw 256 bylaw 257 the

[0:25:03] Voice 11: land use bylaw is a little bit more complex so so again creates a new zone called crystal mountain

[0:25:13] Voice 11: spiritual educational retreat zone which is a brand new a site-specific zone for this particular

[0:25:20] Voice 11: activity on this particular land base and then it speaks to the permitted uses that are

[0:25:27] Voice 11: consistent with that spiritual education retreat zone describes the specific

[0:25:35] Voice 11: structures and buildings that are allowed to be uh constructed both uh you'll see the map in a

[0:25:42] Voice 11: minute there's an area a which is the lower portion and area b it is a

[0:25:46] Voice 11: hooked log configuration

[0:25:52] Voice 11: So there's two separate areas here that speak to the specific structures and the size, that they can be located on. And then the actual covenant itself as a site plan that shows very specifically on the land base where those structures are to be located.

[0:26:08] Voice 11: It speaks to permitted density, lot coverage.

[0:26:14] Voice 11: Permitted density includes both overnight accommodation as well as day use, maximum

[0:26:22] Voice 11: day use.

[0:26:23] Voice 11: As I spoke to, permitted nights, minimum setbacks, and it also has parking requirements, essentially

[0:26:33] Voice 11: minimum lot size.

[0:26:34] Voice 11: the lot can't be no further subdivided as the lot is only 16.1 hectares and it has a number of

[0:26:41] Voice 11: definitions that would be allowed added into the language by law specific to the land use

[0:26:47] Voice 11: user spiritual education retreat sleeping content platform and then similar to the maps shown for

[0:26:57] Voice 11: the ocp there is maps here that would change the schedules in the land use bylaw to change the maps

[0:27:06] Voice 11: and so this portion is donated as well as all this portion in the white would be donated

[0:27:14] Voice 11: and these two crosshatch sections here would be the portions retained by crystal mountain

[0:27:20] Voice 11: it's called a hook block configuration because it has more than one sub parcel within its

[0:27:26] Voice 11: So this is area A where in the by-law there's a specific list of structures and their maximum

[0:27:36] Voice 11: sizes and then the same with the area B. So that is the draft by-laws.

[0:27:48] Voice 11: So I'm now going to pass it over to Keith here who is representing the applicants

[0:27:56] Voice 11: and he's going to walk through their slides with the many presenters that they have prepared for you today.

[0:28:21] Voice 11: There, in this case.

[0:28:24] Voice 11: And please

[0:28:45] Voice 10: speak out as much as you can.

[0:28:51] Voice 10: Hello, it's great to see you all. Thank you so much for taking the time to be here today.

[0:29:09] Voice 9: Okay. I've been with Crystal Mountain Society on Galliano for many years. I've been a Galliano

[0:29:17] Voice 9: resident since

[0:29:18] Voice 11: 1964. I'm joined by Janice Oakley, Leslie Kane as the rezoning committee.

[0:29:24] Voice 11: committee. Together we'll present the current state of our proposal. Keith Erickson will

[0:29:30] Voice 11: report in the areas of ecological assessments and recommendations. Al Kohut and Gord Barrett

[0:29:37] Voice 11: will report on the water property. And I'll talk a little bit at the moment about the

[0:29:45] Voice 11: history of Crystal Mountain, a little familiarization. Let me begin by asking the question, why a

[0:29:52] Voice 11: retreat center and why on galliano it all began in the 1970s when crystal mountain society or

[0:30:00] Voice 11: CMS, as we'll refer to it, a registered, charitable, non-profit, non-sectarian, educational

[0:30:07] Voice 11: organization, held a retreat on Salt Spring Island with a venerable Nam-Chul-Prih-Pha-Sheh,

[0:30:14] Voice 11: who was a Canadian who was trained in our day in Buddhist traditions.

[0:30:19] Voice 11: Shortly after this retreat, the CMS members decided to look for land on the Gulf Islands

[0:30:24] Voice 11: for their own retreat site.

[0:30:26] Voice 11: They came to the north end of Galliano and loved it.

[0:30:29] Voice 11: it was the perfect natural setting required to do retreat work where one was removed from the

[0:30:35] Voice 11: busy patterns of daily life it was on june 29 1980 that the residential nine lot was purchased

[0:30:44] Voice 11: the next 20 years that one would be used in the summer months for retreat study contemplation

[0:30:51] Voice 11: and meditation to this day the ecosystems on this piece of land have been respected

[0:30:57] Voice 11: and preserved. In 1982, there was a request to build a World Peace Pagoda on the upper

[0:31:04] Voice 11: ridge of Lot 9 by a famous Burmese meditation teacher who also had these connections as

[0:31:11] Voice 11: a teacher to some members of Crystal Mountain Society and their teachers. The World Peace

[0:31:17] Voice 11: Pagoda is a place of pilgrimage, promoting world peace, harmony, and healing. Today,

[0:31:23] Voice 11: Today it continues to be maintained by CMS and friends.

[0:31:27] Voice 11: After it had been logged, CMS purchased Lot 8, a 50-acre F1 forest lot.

[0:31:34] Voice 11: The 1999 acquisition was our hope of creating a long-term, year-round forest retreat center.

[0:31:42] Voice 11: In 2004, the Society submitted its first rezoning application.

[0:31:46] Voice 11: application. Due to the sensitive nature and complexity of rezoning form slots on Galliano,

[0:31:52] Voice 11: as well as the staff changes, elections, the OCP review of 29-2010, and fluctuations in

[0:32:01] Voice 11: the society's capacity to persevere effectively within the application, progress was slow

[0:32:08] Voice 11: and intricate. By 2014, CMS was advised to reapply because of changes in policy over

[0:32:15] Voice 11: The other side of this was that the application could be handled more simply and effectively.

[0:32:22] Voice 11: A new application fee was paid.

[0:32:25] Voice 11: We are committed to see this current application come to fruition.

[0:32:29] Voice 11: We sincerely feel that we'll have enormous benefits for Galliano.

[0:32:35] Voice 11: Janice will now share with you in greater detail what we treat this one like.

[0:32:39] Voice 11: Thanks

[0:32:41] Voice 12: Libby and thanks to everyone willing to come on a Saturday and talk about land use on

[0:32:49] Voice 12: Galliano. So I lived on Galliano for 20 years, raised my son and worked here and I first started

[0:32:59] Voice 12: studying Dharma when we were sharing teachings from people's homes in the Page Drive Lounge

[0:33:05] Voice 12: in the late 1990s. Now I know that many people here in this room have done retreats whether

[0:33:12] Voice 12: here or other places and you all probably have a good idea of what is

[0:33:17] Voice 12: needed to make a retreat successful. Our retreats arrive to the land more often

[0:33:27] Voice 12: than not by local carpooling and stay for the duration. There is no coming and

[0:33:33] Voice 12: going. Our retreats are done in silence. A typical day consists of two to three

[0:33:41] Voice 12: classes or meditation sessions with time in between for practice chores and meals the people

[0:33:50] Voice 12: who come are from galliano the mainland vancouver island and occasionally from farther away

[0:33:59] Voice 12: membership is not required and anyone with an interest is welcome we've been holding a summer

[0:34:09] Voice 12: retreat lasting between two and four weeks for many years teachings are held in a large tent

[0:34:15] Voice 12: We can't. We can't. And food is prepared communally and in the open kitchen.

[0:34:20] Voice 12: Because we don't have year-round facilities, we have rented houses several times in the North End during the winter for three to five months of retreat and teachings.

[0:34:31] Voice 12: Course costs, like supplies, food, and other expenses, are covered by participants.

[0:34:38] Voice 12: Anyone unable to pay is supported by the CMS Practitioner Support Fund.

[0:34:45] Voice 12: and through the traditional practice of generosity anonymous donations from students support the

[0:34:52] Voice 12: teachings the upper area of the land as brad referred to as lot b is especially ideal for

[0:35:02] Voice 12: the requirements of deep isolation and view particularly for retreats spanning many months

[0:35:09] Voice 12: this is why we have always hoped and planned to offer three retreatings at a time

[0:35:14] Voice 12: this opportunity our relationship to the land has been intimate and in and of itself a great

[0:35:24] Voice 12: focus of learning especially as we have begun to see the slow recovery of the logged forest on lot

[0:35:30] Voice 12: a and continued restoration begins to feel possible for many practitioners and participants

[0:35:37] Voice 12: including myself these retreats become the first deep experiences of interconnectedness with our

[0:35:44] Voice 12: natural world and with one another i'm really a changed person for the time i spent up on these

[0:35:51] Voice 12: lands in practice and retreat the weeks of contemplation in these forests have led directly

[0:35:57] Voice 12: to my passion to work with people at the end of life with children and as a climate activist and

[0:36:05] Voice 12: land defender in vancouver all this to say that i see this use of our forest zone lots as inspiration

[0:36:14] Voice 12: collaboration to deep connection and compassion with one another and with our planet now Leslie

[0:36:25] Voice 12: is going to give us an overarching view of the proposal and Brad has actually also gone into

[0:36:32] Voice 12: great detail so we're just going to build a bit on that

[0:36:35] Voice 6: thank you again I've been involved with

[0:36:39] Voice 6: CMS since 2009. I've also volunteered as a land manager for several years which involved taking

[0:36:45] Voice 6: care of the forest land. Having spent a lot of time on the land in this capacity, as well

[0:36:51] Voice 6: as many personal retreats, it has become a very special place to me. I joined the rezoning

[0:36:57] Voice 6: committee in 2014 because I truly and wholeheartedly feel a forest retreat centre has enormous

[0:37:03] Voice 6: benefits for the land and the community as a whole. So, the basic concept of our rezoning

[0:37:11] Voice 6: proposal includes two properties a 50 acres acre forest one zone lot on a and a 10 acre

[0:37:18] Voice 6: residentially zoned property lot nine the residential property is currently undeveloped

[0:37:25] Voice 6: and retains the high ecological values the proposal will result in the transfer of 75

[0:37:31] Voice 6: of the land including the entirety of lot nine to the island's trust conservancy along with a

[0:37:38] Voice 6: 30 000 payment to cover the cost to support ongoing conservation management this transferred

[0:37:46] Voice 6: land will be rezoned to nature protection we will retain ownership of 25 or 15 acres of the land

[0:37:56] Voice 6: located in two areas where the infrastructure for spiritual education retreats will be situated

[0:38:05] Voice 6: the retreat center could serve up to 20 overnight registered participants in the summer

[0:38:12] Voice 6: and 17 in the other three seasons day participants who live or have accommodation elsewhere on

[0:38:21] Voice 6: galliano as well as volunteers and teachers would be limited to 10 bringing the total maximum

[0:38:28] Voice 6: numbers on the land to 30. up to four special events may be held for years such as a community

[0:38:37] Voice 6: an open house, a presentation

[0:38:39] Voice 6: by a guest teacher, or Indigenous-led events. The total number of

[0:38:45] Voice 6: participants on the land may increase from 30 to 60 on these four days. Additional infrastructure

[0:38:56] Voice 6: accessory to and support of spiritual education use includes sleeping huts, tent platforms,

[0:39:03] Voice 6: platforms, central kitchens, and wash houses, a teaching hall, a small office, storage or

[0:39:10] Voice 6: service buildings, caretaker cottage, wastewater systems, solar PV, rainwater catchment, and

[0:39:18] Voice 6: potable water storage tanks, and on-site parking.

[0:39:23] Voice 6: The total development footprint of half of 1% is located only in areas degraded by previous

[0:39:31] Voice 6: extensive logging.

[0:39:33] Voice 6: Our sleeping huts will be single occupancy and used for sleeping, study, meditation,

[0:39:42] Voice 6: contemplation, yoga and exercise.

[0:39:46] Voice 6: The structures will be simple, comfortable, private and create a sense of connection to the surrounding forest.

[0:39:54] Voice 6: They will have no plumbing and no kitchen or cooking facilities.

[0:40:00] Voice 6: Huts will be heated for winter use using small marine propane heaters.

[0:40:05] Voice 6: These heaters are certified for safe use in confined areas such as boats. They will be

[0:40:11] Voice 6: designed for energy efficiency and require very little to maintain warmth, even on the coldest

[0:40:17] Voice 6: days. An innovative plug and play battery system will be used to power lights and a power outlet.

[0:40:24] Voice 6: Batteries will be charged in central kitchen facility where there is solar and hydro power.

[0:40:31] Voice 6: huts will use fire smart and green building materials for example they can be anchored

[0:40:36] Voice 6: on metal supports screwed into the ground rather than concrete foundations if they ever need to be

[0:40:43] Voice 6: removed there would be no permanent scar on the land and the native soils would remain intact

[0:40:50] Voice 6: now i'll pass this back over to james as

[0:40:59] Voice 12: many people know the islands trust has been in the

[0:41:02] Voice 12: process of directing policy towards addressing the concerns of Indigenous nations in the Coast

[0:41:08] Voice 12: Salish Sea area. This will include guidelines for all of us living in this region. In 2018,

[0:41:17] Voice 12: we began communication with the Penelope Nation, as they have strong and historically significant

[0:41:23] Voice 12: ties to the north end of Galliano. COVID became a barrier for in-person visits for us, as

[0:41:31] Voice 12: as Robert Sam explained, they just were not able to get around to visit all the lands that they

[0:41:38] Voice 12: had wanted to. The tragedies of the children's graves found all over Canada, beginning at

[0:41:44] Voice 12: Kamloops, left the country bereft and solemn. Approaching any nation during these times

[0:41:52] Voice 12: for many months was not on our minds, except to send our support and love.

[0:42:00] Voice 12: meanwhile we spoke at length with lisa wilcox the acting senior policy advisor to the islands trust

[0:42:06] Voice 12: who felt strongly that this retreat center would be of great interest to penelope in terms of

[0:42:11] Voice 12: a facility they may find useful for anything from youth-oriented gatherings

[0:42:18] Voice 12: or even hereditary chiefs in this region she explained that in commercial or residential

[0:42:23] Voice 12: situations there is rarely anything really on offer to Indigenous nations.

[0:42:30] Voice 12: Since then we have been invited to present ourselves and the project at the

[0:42:37] Voice 12: monthly elders gathering. In July we made the trip over and spent time talking but

[0:42:44] Voice 12: in the end mostly listening. Some of the elders spoke of their childhoods and

[0:42:50] Voice 12: what had happened to them and their families. They wanted us to listen to

[0:42:54] Voice 12: truth and to take in what their past was and what they want for themselves going forward.

[0:43:02] Voice 12: We felt honoured in the sharing of what is so painful and raw. We committed to bringing these

[0:43:11] Voice 12: sentiments back to the Islands Trust. They want a seat at the Islands Trust decision-making table.

[0:43:20] Voice 12: They would like Galliano to consider adding their nation as recipients to hold land,

[0:43:27] Voice 12: like a Conservancy could. Many Penelakut have never been over to Galliano and

[0:43:36] Voice 12: we're hoping to come and stay for a few days. We're in the process of arranging

[0:43:41] Voice 12: for this. In consultation with the Islands Trust Conservancy, we'll be

[0:43:46] Voice 12: holding the 75% title to those lands, we will hold a traditional feast and invite

[0:43:55] Voice 12: whomever wishes to come from Connecticut we can choose to just seek the blessing

[0:44:01] Voice 12: of the host from any of the host stations of this region but we prefer to

[0:44:09] Voice 12: build meaningful relationships with them if that is what they want and that's

[0:44:14] Voice 12: going to take time tokenism when it comes to building relationships is all

[0:44:20] Voice 12: too common in our efforts as settlers to do the right thing we must be cautious

[0:44:26] Voice 12: and humble and we really have to ask ourselves what are we doing at their door and what do we

[0:44:36] Voice 12: actually have

[0:44:37] Voice 2: to offer now to introduce the people who've worked together

[0:44:51] Voice 12: on this application with

[0:44:52] Voice 12: us Keith Erickson a professional biologist who completed the ecological assessment and a recent

[0:45:03] Voice 12: recipient of the islands trust community stewardship award for 20 years of ecosystem-based

[0:45:09] Voice 12: land stewardship al copa the hydro hydrogeologist who completed the groundwater assessment

[0:45:17] Voice 12: and well monitoring work and gordon baird from ecosense consulting the water systems expert

[0:45:26] Voice 12: and author of the water management plan we'll hand it over to them okay hello

[0:45:40] Voice 11: everybody my name is

[0:45:41] Voice 11: keith erickson i'm a professional biologist i've been completing contract work for crystal mountain

[0:45:50] Voice 11: on and off since 2006 when i was hired to provide an ecological assessment related to potential

[0:45:58] Voice 11: construction um of on on residentially somewhat nine which was then not followed through on

[0:46:08] Voice 11: Then again, in 2009, I was contracted to conduct a full baseline documentation of the ecology

[0:46:16] Voice 11: of both Lot 9 and Lot A, as well as provide an assessment of ecological values and develop

[0:46:24] Voice 11: guidelines for ecosystem-based management of the land.

[0:46:29] Voice 11: Then more recently, in October 2020, I was contracted as part of this latest iteration

[0:46:38] Voice 11: restoration of the rezoning to prepare a biologist report that first updated the 2009 Baseline

[0:46:46] Voice 11: documentation and then assess the potential impacts and whether there's any significant

[0:46:52] Voice 11: concerns related to the CMS site plan and then finally to provide a summary of how the ecosystems

[0:47:01] Voice 11: systems on the property fall with respect to the 25% retained

[0:47:06] Voice 11: by Crystal Mountain and the 75% being transferred to the

[0:47:10] Voice 11: Island's Trust Conservancy. I've also been contracted by Crystal

[0:47:16] Voice 11: Mountain at the moment to manage technical aspects of the

[0:47:20] Voice 11: rezoning, including working with and coordinating with other

[0:47:24] Voice 11: professionals and with items like covenants and statutory

[0:47:30] Voice 11: rights and ways and water management plans and land transfer agreements and those types of things

[0:47:37] Voice 11: uh so today i will be presenting the results of the 2020 uh

[0:47:43] Voice 2: ecological report so

[0:47:49] Voice 11: as you

[0:47:51] Voice 11: uh come to know there's two properties lot nine the up the one to the north and lot a

[0:47:56] Voice 11: big triangle both properties were logged sometime in the late 1800s or early 1900s

[0:48:03] Voice 11: And then, as you've heard, Lot A was logged again in the mid-1990s.

[0:48:09] Voice 11: It was fairly intensive work with machines and skitters, you know, doing quite a lot of compaction and damage to the soils there.

[0:48:20] Voice 11: However, there were portions of the property that were not logged, drier, steep sloped areas and ridges that managed to, that weren't probably as profitable to do.

[0:48:32] Voice 11: And so those were left on the site and are retained as of today.

[0:48:37] Voice 11: The topography is quite varied with four different ridge lines, including one major ridge system that runs from the northwest down to the southeast.

[0:48:53] Voice 11: And you can see it on the map there, represented by the big chunk of sort of burnt orange color.

[0:48:59] Voice 11: uh color and you can see it running through lot nine and then it runs continues on through uh the

[0:49:08] Voice 11: district 87 which is uh adjacent to the north of crystal mountains property and then down through

[0:49:14] Voice 11: lot a

[0:49:14] Voice 4: um

[0:49:15] Voice 11: if i had a pointer i would show you uh okay and then at the base of those ridge systems

[0:49:21] Voice 11: is moisture depression areas um and there is a major wetland and creek uh system that runs through

[0:49:30] Voice 11: uh both of the properties um oh cool where'd that go it runs down through both of the properties at

[0:49:44] Voice 11: the base of the major ridge system and crosses over into neighboring lot b uh to the south and

[0:49:51] Voice 11: then back into the crystal mountain lot a and down out into spotlight on those ridge and steep slope

[0:50:04] Voice 11: ecosystem or areas there are um some rare forest communities there like douglas for our buddhist

[0:50:13] Voice 11: douglas for oregon great um in the moisture areas there's some rare communities like um

[0:50:21] Voice 11: red alder scum cabbage that were found um in summary roughly half of the land

[0:50:28] Voice 11: is still mature forest all of lot nine is is mature forest because it was wasn't subject to

[0:50:36] Voice 11: that more recent clear-cut logging about half of the land is recovering regenerating forest

[0:50:44] Voice 11: after the mid-90s clear-cut you know 27 years old there's about one hectare of wetland on the

[0:50:53] Voice 11: property and then there's just under a hectare of area that was used as uh like landing sites

[0:50:59] Voice 11: that's heavily impacted and and remains clear to vegetation so after uh doing the baseline

[0:51:11] Voice 11: documentation i got too many computers on the go um i took the uh the findings of that and i

[0:51:26] Voice 11: I identified the most, or the key ecological features on the land, and I designated them as sensitive ecosystems as kind of a catch-all grouping, and I recommended that they be protected from development.

[0:51:44] Voice 11: These areas account for roughly 60% of the land area, and they include the creek along

[0:51:51] Voice 11: with its riparian forest, the wetlands, mature forest and older forest, areas that are sensitive

[0:51:58] Voice 11: disturbance such as those with shallow soils or moist rich soils, areas that constitute

[0:52:06] Voice 11: rare ecological communities.

[0:52:07] Voice 11: communities. And these areas are shown in the red hash on that map. And the blue hash

[0:52:17] Voice 11: represents a 30 meter riparian protection setback from the creek. Summarizing the distribution

[0:52:37] Voice 11: of those sensitive ecosystems as they fall on the islands trust conservancy 75% versus

[0:52:44] Voice 11: the crystal mountain retained 25 percent um there are 100 of the wetland streams and riparian areas

[0:52:51] Voice 11: are protected by the island stress conservancy uh 92 percent of the ridge and steep slope

[0:52:58] Voice 11: communities are protected 94 of the mature and old forest 97 of the highest productivity

[0:53:06] Voice 11: forest that has moist and rich soils and then in terms of the crystal mountain parcel

[0:53:13] Voice 11: 89 is comprised of the immature regenerating forest that's recovering from the click

[0:53:22] my

[0:53:29] Voice 11: report also made several recommendations to help minimize the impacts of the crystal mountain

[0:53:35] Voice 11: proposed development on the ecology these included no sighting of infrastructure in sensitive

[0:53:42] Voice 11: ecosystems or the island stress development permit areas minimize fragmentation and impacts to the

[0:53:50] Voice 11: hydrology by using existing roads by locating utilities along existing roads whenever possible

[0:53:58] Voice 11: and by clustering development as much as possible i also recommended to protect

[0:54:07] Voice 11: individual remnant mature trees and dominant young trees that were growing or left over in

[0:54:17] Voice 11: the clear cut areas so maybe things that were saplings at the time of clear cut that even

[0:54:22] Voice 11: logged and they've grown up and they're bigger than the rest of the forest growing up to retain

[0:54:26] Voice 11: those and protect those structures as important to the forest ecosystem i also recommended to you

[0:54:33] Voice 11: utilize existing compacted soil areas um the site the landing sites from the previous longing

[0:54:40] Voice 11: for the siting of structures whenever possible so in conclusion i feel that the proposed plan

[0:54:49] Voice 11: from crystal mountain has satisfied the recommendations that were made generally

[0:54:54] Voice 11: the proposed infrastructure is clustered and confined to two narrow corridors

[0:55:01] Voice 11: located within areas that are characterized by mature forest and on relatively resilient soils

[0:55:07] Voice 11: The small portion of sensitive area, which is mainly ridge that is included on the Crystal

[0:55:16] Voice 11: Mountain portion, is limited to foot trail use only with no new infrastructure.

[0:55:24] Voice 11: Most importantly, the continuity and ecological integrity of the wetland, stream and ridge

[0:55:32] Voice 11: system is maintained across the landscape.

[0:55:38] Voice 11: my presentation i'm happy to answer questions at the end thank you and so now we'll turn it over to

[0:55:44] Voice 11: alcohol to speak about groundwork thank you

[0:55:55] Voice 4: very much uh hi

[0:56:01] Voice 11: everybody can you hear me at the back

[0:56:03] Voice 11: there i'm pleased to be on galliano today in person to uh discuss with you the proposed

[0:56:12] Voice 11: proposed water supply for this Crystal Mountain Society proposal and uh the water supply is going

[0:56:22] Voice 11: to be from that central well in the center portion of that parcel it's listed there as well number

[0:56:28] Voice 11: 18. this is from my report that was done in 2015 when the well was tested that well is 125 feet

[0:56:39] Voice 11: feet deep. The water level at the time of testing was 13 meters below ground. And we

[0:56:48] Voice 11: tested the well at 2.14 US gallons a minute for 12 hours constant rate pumping test. We

[0:56:56] Voice 11: also monitored the well number five shown there and well number 17. Those were the

[0:57:04] Voice 11: observation wells during that pumping test and the test was carried out in october

[0:57:11] Voice 11: the best time of year for testing in the gulf islands where conditions are are driest i should

[0:57:23] Voice 11: also point on this figure here the wells located downslope in the spotlight cove area numerous

[0:57:30] Voice 11: numerous wells and there's also some licensed springs in that area so this is what was available

[0:57:38] Voice 11: in 2015 there may have been additional wells constructed next slide please

[0:57:49] Voice 11: let's just information on the project well it has a wid number that's a well identification

[0:57:58] Voice 11: number. It's a little tag that is on the well so that they can be distinguished.

[0:58:04] Voice 11: 2-3-2-2-3-7. It's completed in the Gabriola Formation that you see around here.

[0:58:12] Voice 11: Very extensive on the north end of that island.

[0:58:20] Voice 11: I think I've mentioned this to most of us before. So go on to the next slide, please.

[0:58:26] Voice 11: So during the test, the down in the well was 20.50 meters, and based on the results of

[0:58:38] Voice 11: this test, it was determined that the long-term capacity of this well was not as high as the

[0:58:44] Voice 11: 2.14 it was pumped at, but 0.75 US gallons per minute.

[0:58:52] Voice 11: now that isn't a a lot of water um it's a very low relatively low yielding well but 0.075 was is

[0:59:05] Voice 11: certainly sufficient water to meet what the requirements are for this crystal mountain

[0:59:11] Voice 11: society project because their water demands are not excessively very high um so this

[0:59:22] Voice 11: this was 2015. can i have the next slide please so since um october of last year crystal mountain

[0:59:31] Voice 11: have been monitoring water levels i should mention those two observation wells they showed no

[0:59:38] Voice 11: discernible effects from that pumping test in 2015. and since october 21 crystal mountain

[0:59:47] Voice 11: and have been monitoring the water levels in the central well the proposed production well

[0:59:52] Voice 11: plus that number 17 well the observation well between their production well and spotlight code

[1:00:00] Voice 11: And this shows the most recent bed for July, August, September of this year.

[1:00:06] Voice 11: And you can see this downward trend, slight downward trend.

[1:00:13] Voice 11: It's decreased about one and a half meters since July.

[1:00:18] Voice 11: And during August of this year, there was a retreat on the island where they were pumping the production well.

[1:00:27] Voice 11: well, and that's the period they're showing in August.

[1:00:31] Voice 11: And there was no discernible effects of pumping

[1:00:34] Voice 11: the production well on the observation well.

[1:00:39] Voice 11: Now there are these little blips that are shown there,

[1:00:42] Voice 11: and those are tidal effects due to the loading

[1:00:45] Voice 11: of fluctuations of the tide on the aquifer.

[1:00:50] Voice 11: That's very common in the coastal areas.

[1:00:53] Voice 11: It doesn't mean that saltwater intrusion

[1:00:57] Voice 11: is occurring just means that the pressure of the tide is affecting the water level in the wells

[1:01:04] Voice 11: next slide please this is data from the historic provincial observation well

[1:01:13] Voice 11: 50 years of data and it shows in july august september there is a

[1:01:20] Voice 11: general seasonal decline in the water level which is very normal next slide

[1:01:29] Voice 11: this is the actual water levels in the production well during this monitoring period and you can see

[1:01:37] Voice 11: when the well they were pumping the well daily for about 22 minutes to supply the participants

[1:01:45] Voice 11: at the retreat and they pump into a large storage tank but you can see the daily fluctuations where

[1:01:52] Voice 11: the water draws down in the production well and then recovers when they turn the pump off

[1:01:58] Voice 11: And overall, during this period, the water level decline was about 1.5 meters, similar to the observation well, which is, again, a reflection of the normal seasonal trend that we would expect in this area.

[1:02:15] Voice 11: Next slide.

[1:02:18] Voice 11: So this gives you an idea of how much water they were using for the participants in August.

[1:02:25] Voice 11: And they were pumping about, you can see on the left, it's 150 to about 177 gallons per day to supply the individuals who were there.

[1:02:43] Voice 11: Now, in terms of water requirements for humidity systems, the BC design guidelines recommend 60 gallons a day per person.

[1:02:56] Voice 11: and that's that black line going across the bottom so they were they were using about three times

[1:03:02] Voice 11: they could support easily three people for sure but there were more people than just three people

[1:03:07] Voice 11: on the site at that time um can i have the next slide please and this is just an indication of

[1:03:16] Voice 11: the number of persons who are on the site during those those days so they were not using a lot of

[1:03:23] Voice 11: water and the demands uh for the retreat center at that time were not that significant not very high

[1:03:31] Voice 11: um but of course they weren't using toilets and laundry and those types of things and gordon is

[1:03:38] Voice 11: going to speak about the uh those aspects of under the water management plan that are anticipated

[1:03:44] Voice 11: water use for this development and i'll be pleased to answer any questions um

[1:03:50] Voice 3: any concerns you may

[1:03:51] Voice 3: have

[1:03:51] Voice 11: about the

[1:03:52] Voice 3: proposed water

[1:03:53] Voice 11: source now

[1:04:04] Voice 2: for their thank you very much um so i could really

[1:04:11] when i've been here i've been from the galliano certainty to speak on responsible water alternatives

[1:04:17] it's nice to be able to work with the group and actually put it into practice so

[1:04:22] um so i guess my goal uh is to basically tell the group what they can and cannot do

[1:04:31] and um and they've been very very responsible or responsive to that but nothing has come to

[1:04:38] my attention that has caused me concern so my background is i result on integrated and

[1:04:44] sustainable water use whether it be great water systems compost toilets so on and um and i think

[1:04:52] i was chosen for this because of the workshop i've been doing around the living building challenge

[1:04:56] Voice 11: which is you have to be net zero water and net zero waste and so on and so my job was to look at

[1:05:04] Voice 11: the work sets Al had done which is to find what the sustainable yield is so basically you've got

[1:05:09] Voice 11: your glass of water and every day that glass of water you want that glass of water to stay at the

[1:05:14] Voice 11: same level every day you draw from that you don't want that glass of water you don't want to have

[1:05:19] Voice 11: to draw beyond that glass of water because that becomes unsustainable so my job was to assess

[1:05:26] Voice 11: what they'd have to draw from the well, and at the same time is to assess what they would need to draw

[1:05:33] Voice 11: from rainwater to meet their non-potable needs. So if we can use the well for potable, which is about

[1:05:40] Voice 11: 70 percent, a little under 70 percent of the need, and we can use the rainwater for non-potable such

[1:05:46] Voice 11: as toilet flush and laundry, and we can balance and we can determine what the carrying capacity is

[1:05:53] this for what they want to do. So the models that I worked on

[1:05:58] and created, basically, it's an integrated model with clean

[1:06:01] water, clean water, where it's coming from, how it needs to be

[1:06:05] stored.

[1:06:09] Voice 11: So, so what we have is we've got several different

[1:06:13] Voice 11: types of users, we've got three types of users, we've got the

[1:06:16] Voice 11: caretakers, we've got the overnight, we've got the

[1:06:19] Voice 11: overnight participants and we've got day users. Caretakers will

[1:06:24] Voice 11: be there 100 of the time overnight users will be there for overnight but over shorter periods of

[1:06:31] Voice 11: time and that will change over the seasons will fluctuate and the day using profile the day users

[1:06:38] Voice 11: may be there being less day users and fluctuate over the seasons and generally each of those

[1:06:46] Voice 11: different users uses a different uses water in different ways and when you're on whether you're

[1:06:54] Voice 11: my community in the highlands which we're on groundwater or you're in galliano or you're on

[1:06:59] Voice 11: saturn people that live there use less water because we're smarter sorry um and people that

[1:07:10] come and visit sometimes use more water and so what you'll see is that

[1:07:15] Voice 11: when we look at the when

[1:07:17] Voice 11: we look at the capacity or the profiles these caretakers generally will be using less water

[1:07:31] Voice 11: So, with that, what we do is we take the different types of users, what their different usage

[1:07:37] Voice 11: profiles are, and then we determine what, if everybody were there all the same time,

[1:07:45] Voice 11: what would be the peak demand?

[1:07:47] Voice 11: What would be the maximum demand in a day?

[1:07:50] Voice 11: and once we know what the maximum demand of the day is then we can determine what demand is going

[1:07:58] Voice 11: to be when there's 20% of people on site or 70% of people on site 400% of people on site and it

[1:08:07] Voice 11: gives us the ability then to start to graph and find out how much water we're using every day of

[1:08:14] Voice 11: that glass of water. We move to the next slide. So I'm going to jump up on the stage if that is okay,

[1:08:24] because

[1:08:25] Voice 11: I don't have a pointer. So I'll start with the lower graph here. Basically everything

[1:08:33] Voice 11: that's in this dotted line is what the well sustainable yield is. And when we have a pump

[1:08:41] Voice 11: in the ground, we do not want that pump to pump faster than the Welker recharge. So we would

[1:08:52] Voice 11: make sure that the pump is not going beyond what the sustainable yield of that recharge of the

[1:08:59] Voice 11: Welker would be. The next thing I want to make sure is that any of the water usage that is,

[1:09:05] Voice 11: so this is going to be the well sustainable yield, this whole blue box, these are going to be the

[1:09:11] Voice 11: different water uses over the year we want to make sure that at no point in time any of the demand

[1:09:18] Voice 11: peaks above the well sustainable yield at the top is the non-fossil water system which is going to

[1:09:28] Voice 11: be servicing the laundry and the toilets and with that it's basically collecting the rainwater off

[1:09:36] Voice 11: off the roofs of the buildings,

[1:09:39] Voice 11: sizing enough storage to get us past the droughts.

[1:09:43] Voice 11: And under the worst case scenario,

[1:09:47] Voice 11: modeling the worst case scenario,

[1:09:48] Voice 11: and my job is to model the worst case scenario

[1:09:50] Voice 11: because if I don't do that,

[1:09:52] Voice 11: something goes south unresponsive for it,

[1:09:54] Voice 11: so I tend to be a little bit cautious,

[1:09:58] Voice 11: is there's a couple of weeks of shortfall.

[1:10:01] Voice 11: And so this shortfall in yellow

[1:10:03] Voice 11: has to be made up by the well.

[1:10:05] Voice 11: and so if we follow through and we add that shortfall in here so even to meet that shortfall

[1:10:12] Voice 11: we're still within the well sustainable yield under worst case uh under a worst case scenario

[1:10:18] Voice 11: so one of the questions is that if there is if there is a draw from the well to top up the

[1:10:27] Voice 11: non-bottom of the water means can it do it under the sustainable use of the well

[1:10:31] Voice 11: Well, simple answer is yes. Next slide. So the other thing that occurs when you're designing the water system, the public water system, it goes through Island Health, it goes through the drinking water protection regulations.

[1:10:54] Voice 11: And so the drinking water protection regulations require a series of emergency response plans,

[1:11:02] Voice 11: wellhead protection plans, and a variety of different things you would have to do in order for them to look at and approve a water system.

[1:11:11] Voice 11: Including, they look at the sustainable yield, they have their engineers look at the information that's been presented today,

[1:11:17] Voice 11: and then they get a termination on it um in this case with regards to the wellhead protections

[1:11:25] Voice 11: there's a multiple different things that we'll do for the wellhead protection

[1:11:29] Voice 11: one of the things is i'm going to jump back up here so with the nature of the landscape

[1:11:35] uh when there are surface water flows

[1:11:38] Voice 11: just by where the well is situated the central

[1:11:41] Voice 11: wall is situated water automatically shunt off to the side and there's a little bit of potential

[1:11:48] Voice 11: surface water under extreme rains that can move towards the well and what we have we have a 30

[1:11:54] Voice 11: meter setback around the well not unlike you'd see in a right period zone and so one of the

[1:12:01] Voice 11: things that we've got on here is that because we have uh some usage inside the 30 meter setback

[1:12:08] Voice 11: which still is allowed um is that we can do a vegetated a vegetated buffer zone in order to

[1:12:17] Voice 11: slow down, spread out, and sink in any of the surface waters that might come in an extreme

[1:12:22] Voice 11: storm event. The roadway that comes through here, basically what we'll do is any of the

[1:12:28] Voice 11: potential surface waters that land in that, we want to shunt those off through drainage swales,

[1:12:34] and just like that the water's gone. So yeah, so with some drainage swales, the idea is that

[1:12:45] potentially you've got the opportunity for hydrocarbons, you want to move those off to the

[1:12:49] side um the other things that

[1:12:53] Voice 11: would uh just that are just part of any water system is regular

[1:12:58] Voice 11: monitoring for bacteria for a variety of different things that that pilot health wants to make sure

[1:13:06] Voice 11: that aren't going to people's bodies so with that um also the waste disposal system so i am

[1:13:20] Voice 11: this will have a system that will be a conventional subject system but it has been designed by i think

[1:13:28] Voice 11: it's fred stevens from galiana excavating and so all the waste systems all day the fields are

[1:13:34] Voice 11: outside the 30 meter setback which is also pretty important and i don't think i have another slide

[1:13:45] Voice 11: So, and again,

[1:13:47] Voice 2: afterwards, if we have to answer any questions.

[1:13:51] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:13:52] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:13:52] Voice 10: I agree.

[1:13:58] Voice 6: The starting point of our proposal is different from other F1 rezonings in that we bring a

[1:14:04] Voice 6: 10-acre R zone parcel with built-in residential densities.

[1:14:09] Voice 6: These pie charts...

[1:14:10] Voice 6: Oops, sorry.

[1:14:12] Voice 6: Sorry, I'm doing some reporting policies.

[1:14:14] Voice 6: Oh, yeah.

[1:14:15] Voice 6: Okay, sorry.

[1:14:17] Voice 6: there um there isn't anyone in this room who doesn't recognize that the most important

[1:14:23] Voice 6: documents that are guiding this redoning and all land use on these islands are the islands

[1:14:28] Voice 6: trust corrections and policies we have a deep respect and understanding of the underlying

[1:14:36] Voice 6: principles of preservation and protection and these have informed our choices from site selection

[1:14:43] Voice 6: with regards to ecological integrity, water management, wastewater systems, and carbon

[1:14:48] Voice 6: emissions, IT policies have been our inspiration.

[1:14:55] Voice 6: Next slide.

[1:14:58] Voice 6: So, as I was saying, our starting point of our proposal is quite different from other

[1:15:05] Voice 6: F1 rezonings in that we bring a 10-acre RR zone parcel with a built-in residential lot

[1:15:10] Voice 6: for our densities.

[1:15:12] Voice 6: These pie charts depict the proportionate land use and preservation.

[1:15:17] Voice 6: Our rezoning is depicted on the left.

[1:15:23] Voice 2: Whereas

[1:15:23] Voice 6: the current rezoning is depicted

[1:15:26] Voice 10: on the right.

[1:15:30] Voice 10: Whereas

[1:15:30] Voice 6: the current rezoning is depicted on the left.

[1:15:34] Voice 10: And under existing

[1:15:35] Voice 6: bylaws on lot 9, a person could build a residence of any size,

[1:15:40] Voice 6: a guest cottage run a business like a b b and clear as much land as desirable the assessed

[1:15:47] Voice 6: value of this lot is over half a million dollars would be forfeited in this rezoning process

[1:15:54] Voice 10: on

[1:15:54] Voice 6: f1 lot a allowed uses are logging running a tree nursery saw milling and cleaning of timber

[1:16:03] Voice 6: looking at our proposal on the left according to our community consultations the highest priority

[1:16:09] Voice 6: community benefit is the transfer title to 75% of the total land for preservation of the forest.

[1:16:17] Voice 6: This is shown as the largest piece of pie here on the left. Aside from these 45 acres,

[1:16:23] Voice 6: we have proposed a further protection of forest on the retreat site, the site itself

[1:16:29] Voice 6: depicted by

[1:16:30] Voice 6: the next

[1:16:31] Voice 6: largest piece of pie. The covenant for this is described further on the next slide.

[1:16:36] Voice 6: Our rezoning protects a total of 90% of the forest ecosystem.

[1:16:42] Voice 6: The slim blue wedge of 0.5% is the total area of land that all our buildings will cover.

[1:16:51] Voice 6: Larger than our building space is the red wedge, which is 1.5% occupied by the emergency access route and other existing access roads.

[1:17:01] Voice 6: The pie chart on the right shows us what anyone can do on these properties right now with

[1:17:09] Voice 6: rezoning anything.

[1:17:11] Voice 6: The largest portion here, 52%, is land subject to logging.

[1:17:18] Voice 6: The only land preserved under current zoning is 37% under development permit areas, which

[1:17:24] Voice 6: are mapped out for the entire island, already a sensitive ecosystem.

[1:17:28] Voice 6: systems notice that more than twice the area of forest will be protected by our rezoning

[1:17:36] Voice 6: also known the blue development building footprint is nine times larger than what we are proposing

[1:17:45] Voice 6: the amount of land subject to driveways and power corridors is six times more than what

[1:17:52] Voice 6: we are proposing so as you can clearly see our proposal not only protects more forest cover

[1:17:59] Voice 6: and therefore groundwater but it also minimizes impact from building footprint growth and power

[1:18:05] Voice 6: thank you

[1:18:15] Voice 2: environmental protection

[1:18:23] Voice 11: you're

[1:18:24] Voice 3: going to have to

[1:18:25] Voice 3: speak up speak

[1:18:27] Voice 11: up right as mentioned above the most distinctive aspect

[1:18:30] Voice 11: of this resulting is the additional conservation through a third party 219 covenant on our

[1:18:36] Voice 11: remaining 15 acre portion requiring that we protect a minimum of 60 percent of the natural

[1:18:42] Voice 11: natural forest cover as shown on

[1:18:46] Voice 11: this slide all large older trees that survived

[1:18:50] Voice 11: the clear cut have been marked they've been marked on property and will be protected by

[1:18:56] protecting the forest cover and

[1:18:57] Voice 11: therefore the groundwater this application also becomes an

[1:19:02] Voice 11: environmental inspiration when it comes to combating climate change the recommendations

[1:19:08] Voice 11: of the biologists and hydrogeologists are in the proposal and you just heard

[1:19:14] Voice 11: great presentations and included in that we will have very extensive water storage capacity in both

[1:19:23] Voice 11: non-potable and potable water alcohat continues to be involved in the data logging of the well

[1:19:30] Voice 11: levels we get ongoing information and data from a water meter that has been installed development

[1:19:37] Voice 11: and upper site b will be fired before any work is done with a great focus on the careful

[1:19:46] Voice 11: consideration of the management of water and with climate change in mind we have relied on

[1:19:51] Voice 11: the expert's recommendations continuing on with community benefits the first priority of the

[1:20:01] Voice 11: society is the health and safety of our operation and therefore extends to the well-being of our

[1:20:06] Voice 11: neighborhood the community benefit of a road for emergency access only established as a statutory

[1:20:13] Voice 11: right-of-way as required in our ocp and designated in the galliano road network plan

[1:20:20] Voice 11: will connect the end of divino drive to corlear pass road i think i might insert something in

[1:20:26] Voice 11: here which is probably a lot of you know but we generally come in from corlear pass road

[1:20:31] Voice 11: now because it's convenient even though the road's in first shape the reason the main entrance is

[1:20:39] Voice 11: being shifted to the end of divina drive was on the request of the office trust conservancy

[1:20:44] Voice 11: because as you see the road and the lower portion will pass through their property and because they

[1:20:51] Voice 11: are totally dedicated to conservation of the natural areas they really don't want even an

[1:20:58] Voice 11: an emergency people driving through that area anymore not even an emergency i'm sorry just the

[1:21:05] Voice 11: opposite they would rather have not had a main entrance through there and so that's why you're

[1:21:10] Voice 11: shifting around to the end of the data um okay so where was it um that emergency access road

[1:21:17] Voice 11: will be accessible for emergencies at the completion of rezoning an agreement has been

[1:21:23] Voice 11: reach with the crd on their ongoing responsibility for maintenance and i i think i would just add

[1:21:30] Voice 11: for those of you who are not familiar that's an old old vlogging road it's really a good solid

[1:21:38] Voice 11: road it needs very little help except for a couple of spots near the creek that type of thing so it's

[1:21:44] Voice 11: virtually ready to go according to both the current fire chief and the fire chief before

[1:21:50] Voice 11: one. Okay, a dedicated and so changing the subject. The CID is

[1:21:59] Voice 11: going to be responsible for the maintenance, we will, we will

[1:22:04] Voice 11: turn the vegetation as necessary for that access and do a couple

[1:22:09] Voice 11: of repairs.

[1:22:13] dedicated

[1:22:14] Voice 11: and maintained observation well connected to

[1:22:17] Voice 11: the provincial network will be invaluable for understanding

[1:22:20] Voice 11: is just in groundwater in the area over time and is of utmost importance for future land use decisions

[1:22:27] Voice 11: currently there are only three registered observation wells and they're all located at

[1:22:31] Voice 11: the south end of galliano so this is the first one at the garden thank

[1:22:37] Voice 6: you thank you

[1:22:38] Voice 6: humans have always searched for meaning and purpose in life we want happiness and connection

[1:22:45] Voice 6: We want a sense of well-being, of peace and joy, and we all experience suffering, anxiety,

[1:22:52] Voice 6: depression, grief, isolation, and other difficult emotions.

[1:22:57] Voice 6: Benefits of meditation and mindfulness are now recognized and are being prescribed for

[1:23:02] Voice 6: all kinds of health, both mental and physical.

[1:23:05] Voice 6: Scientific research continues to offer some of the clearest evidence yet that stress-related

[1:23:11] Voice 6: brain activity can be reduced by simply being in the forest.

[1:23:15] Voice 6: There's overwhelming scientific and medical evidence, too, of benefits of silence and of the ancient practice of meditation.

[1:23:23] Voice 6: Experiencing the interconnectedness and honoring of all life in deep and profound ways is there for each and every one of us if we have the opportunity of a place and time to focus and study.

[1:23:36] Voice 6: study, deepening realization of the interdependence of all life fostered wisdom and compassion,

[1:23:44] Voice 6: helping to relieve our own suffering and that of others.

[1:23:49] Voice 6: We hope to have a place to offer access to anyone interested in studying, contemplating

[1:23:55] Voice 6: and practicing these traditional teachings, as well as exploring contemporary research

[1:24:00] Voice 6: in biology and neuroscience.

[1:24:02] Voice 6: science. Many Galeano community members already rely on CMS for spiritual study and guidance.

[1:24:11] Voice 6: The retreats are open to all, warmly welcoming

[1:24:14] Voice 2: the general public. Just one last little bit.

[1:24:26] Voice 12: Compassion in our changing world will be crucial as we head into times that will certainly be

[1:24:31] Voice 12: characterized by social upheaval and more extreme weather events. As a retreatant said,

[1:24:39] Voice 12: it is rare to find places where one can take the time and be supported to do this work that

[1:24:44] Voice 12: benefits not only the meditator but no doubt the whole planet as well if galiana was taking the

[1:24:52] Voice 12: climate crisis seriously understanding that deforestation and the resulting loss of

[1:24:57] Voice 12: biodiversity and damage

[1:24:58] Voice 12: done regarding the ability of the land to retain water then we as a community

[1:25:03] Voice 12: need to make sure that as many parcels of land as possible are protected we've come to realize that

[1:25:11] Voice 12: our application not only removes land from ever being logged irresponsibly again but is in fact

[1:25:17] Voice 12: raising the bar for future rezonings and offering positive models the 75 25 ratio is the right

[1:25:27] Voice 12: balance between the land protected and land developed but using using an ecosystem-based

[1:25:33] Voice 12: land use plan for the remaining 25 percent means that the community has input into the impact and

[1:25:39] Voice 12: use on the on that on this part too and allows protection to go above and beyond that residential

[1:25:46] Voice 12: rezoning it means that the siting of buildings on less sensitive ecosystems beyond dpa designations

[1:25:54] Voice 12: can be promoted that the percentage of lot coverage can be discussed and minimized as well

[1:26:00] Voice 12: as well as making sure that there is ample water for all through establishing water management

[1:26:05] Voice 12: plans. We have been in the north of Galliano for 40 years. We've taken excellent care of the lands

[1:26:15] Voice 12: and protected them during that time. This is not going to change. We've been quiet and kind

[1:26:22] Voice 12: neighbors as well as involved community members. This will not change. Now is the right time to

[1:26:30] Voice 12: begin to bring this rezoning process to a thoughtful and agreed upon completion

[1:26:39] Voice 12: we would like to thank everyone who's helped us get this far in our rezoning in choosing the best

[1:26:45] Voice 12: course of action appreciation to all the trustees for their careful considerations of the many

[1:26:52] Voice 12: facets and refinements of this complex reasoning the tightening of the requirements and description

[1:26:59] Voice 12: of land use specific to our proposal has been really impressive. This is a

[1:27:06] Voice 12: unique rezoning. Each parcel of land has its own characteristics. The trustees have

[1:27:12] Voice 12: needed to keep the big picture in their minds while carefully considering the

[1:27:16] Voice 12: specifics of the Island Trust Policy, the OCP and the land use by-laws. People here care about

[1:27:26] Voice 12: about development on the island.

[1:27:28] Voice 12: We have choices about what we add

[1:27:30] Voice 12: to the life of the island without getting bogged down

[1:27:33] Voice 12: with past ideas and expectations

[1:27:35] Voice 12: that rezonings need to only be residentially oriented.

[1:27:42] Voice 2: From the community,

[1:27:44] Voice 12: the LTC, experts and professionals,

[1:27:48] Voice 12: to everyone who's encouraged us along this journey.

[1:27:53] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:27:53] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:28:08] Voice 3: So thank you for that, for the presentation

[1:28:11] Voice 3: and the information that's contained in there.

[1:28:16] Voice 3: So this is, we're now going to go into a question

[1:28:21] Voice 3: and answer period.

[1:28:22] Voice 3: And I want to just emphasize one thing,

[1:28:26] Voice 3: whether you feel strongly in favor of the application

[1:28:30] Voice 3: or that you have strong concerns about the application,

[1:28:35] Voice 3: I'd ask you to simply seek out information,

[1:28:38] Voice 3: ask questions related to the specifics of the proposal,

[1:28:42] Voice 3: whether it be from the planner or from the applicant or the representative,

[1:28:47] Voice 3: this is your opportunity to ask specific questions related to whether it's water, the bylaws,

[1:28:54] Voice 3: the the the water management plan, the actual zoning, whatever it is.

[1:29:01] Voice 3: This is I really I

[1:29:02] Voice 3: have come to know this community very well.

[1:29:05] Voice 3: and this community has um a lot of very intelligent people who now who know how to build

[1:29:13] Voice 3: uh positions into questions if you will is to let us know what your view is while you're asking the

[1:29:21] Voice 3: question and and where and the ltc has been very uh open to all of the positions of all sides we've

[1:29:28] Voice 3: received a lot of correspondence with them a lot of but i'd ask you not to do that to resist the

[1:29:34] Voice 3: temptation to do that today uh one because i have a fairy to catch uh but two

[1:29:40] Voice 3: and we all know what

[1:29:41] Voice 3: that's like uh but two because this is really an important time for you to uh to get the

[1:29:47] Voice 3: information you need to to solidify your position or to understand what the application is about

[1:29:54] Voice 3: as completely as you possibly can and i know many of you have have looked at it

[1:30:00] Voice 3: quite deeply and i've considered it quite a bit and maybe nothing you heard today is surprising

[1:30:04] Voice 3: and maybe there's nothing that you have any need any more information but for those that do

[1:30:08] Voice 3: this is your opportunity to do that it's not often we have mr kohan on the island only though he's

[1:30:14] Voice 3: been here a bit lately um and he's here as is the planner unfortunately uh william shulba is not

[1:30:20] Voice 3: available to us today we had hoped to have him but he's had a new birth in his family uh he's become

[1:30:26] Voice 3: a new father uh so he couldn't wasn't able to join us today uh so please do that so what i'd

[1:30:32] Voice 3: ask you to do is to keep your questions simple and direct and direct them at the person and please

[1:30:38] Voice 3: identify who it is you'd like to ask the question to if you can okay so with that uh let's shall we

[1:30:46] Voice 3: start i think we can get going so who oh yeah sorry

[1:30:49] Voice 3: mr smith oh okay i've been asked for a

[1:30:53] Voice 3: a brief comfort break uh and i think that's not a bad idea um however let's keep it brief because

[1:31:00] Voice 3: i want to create enough time for everybody leave enough time everybody have their questions uh

[1:31:05] Voice 3: asked and answered before we have to uh shut down okay so let's it's currently uh 2 34 let's be back

[1:31:13] Voice 3: here in five minutes at 2 40 six minutes uh please come back okay thank you if we could get if we

[1:31:21] Voice 3: If we could take our seats, please.

[1:31:28] Voice 3: Thank you very much.

[1:31:30] Voice 3: So could someone let the people outside know

[1:31:35] Voice 3: that we're gonna start now?

[1:31:45] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:32:17] Voice 3: Just remind you that,

[1:32:19] Voice 3: um uh well the micro the microphone is both quite sensitive but also needs people to speak up but if

[1:32:27] Voice 3: we can try and keep the background murmur down while questions are being asked and because so

[1:32:32] Voice 3: because it's being recorded and i found out from walking around galiano people actually watch this

[1:32:37] Voice 3: stuff they said oh i've seen you on tv i know and i go yeah right and i go uh so people do watch so

[1:32:45] Voice 3: So it's good that they'd be able to hear as well.

[1:32:48] Voice 3: And if I could ask you, as you ask your question, if you could please speak up as well.

[1:32:54] Voice 3: No, not everybody has his voice as loud as mine.

[1:32:57] Voice 3: And I'll repeat questions that may not be as, sorry, the microphone pick up as easily.

[1:33:07] Voice 3: So, okay, so I can start wherever.

[1:33:10] Voice 3: I don't have a list.

[1:33:12] Voice 3: I'm just going to see who would like to ask a question.

[1:33:14] Voice 3: know and please advise who you'd like to ask it us so we can start the question and answer session

[1:33:19] Voice 3: if that's okay yes there's a great back in the back thanks very much

[1:33:22] Voice 12: just a simple question

[1:33:25] Voice 12: and that the consideration of who people are their qualities

[1:33:42] Voice 12: or whatever are not a consideration for zoning i just want to make that clear that's the question

[1:33:52] Voice 3: as to whether what we zone for land or for for the individuals who own the land

[1:33:57] Voice 2: i'll answer for

[1:33:58] Voice 3: myself that's absolutely correct and uh you can be nice or not nice and if you're it's your

[1:34:06] Voice 3: application and the nature of your application that is the the focus i will say however

[1:34:13] Voice 3: uh that the quality of the people can often attract sometimes support of neighbors etc etc

[1:34:19] Voice 3: uh and and that can have any and if depending on community support etc that can have an impact but

[1:34:27] Voice 3: that's not our consideration i don't know if either of the ltcs did you understand the question

[1:34:32] Voice 3: want to answer that question are you the local trustees

[1:34:35] Voice 12: yeah i would say that yes we the the

[1:34:39] Voice 12: the land use planning is about land use

[1:34:41] Voice 12: and looking at what is,

[1:34:46] Voice 12: what looks like a good plan for land and protection.

[1:34:50] Voice 12: And so can I just add a little addition to that

[1:34:55] Voice 12: with that general course,

[1:34:56] Voice 12: we look at the land going into the future

[1:34:59] Voice 12: and the consideration of water use,

[1:35:02] Voice 12: the effect of the people on the land,

[1:35:04] Voice 12: the OCP and what the OCP envisions for the land

[1:35:09] Voice 12: is also taken into consideration that

[1:35:11] Voice 3: and many other factors

[1:35:12] Voice 12: thank you i

[1:35:15] Voice 3: mean that you saw we

[1:35:16] Voice 3: if you if you've been following the trust policy statement revision discussion happening at

[1:35:22] Voice 3: at trust council what we should and should not be taking into account is a topic for a lot of

[1:35:28] Voice 3: conversation across the trust area

[1:35:30] Voice 10: okay

[1:35:31] Voice 3: who else has a question yes mr uh thank you uh this is for

[1:35:36] Voice 3: for staff um

[1:35:37] Voice 11: i'm concerned about uh identifying crystal mountain's proposal as a community

[1:35:45] Voice 11: uh community facility in taking a look at the rationale it would seem that the primary

[1:35:53] Voice 11: rationale that staff provided is that you can better regulate prescribe or limit activities

[1:36:03] Voice 11: on this particular parcel of land by coming up with a brand-new designation

[1:36:09] Voice 11: and change to the official community plan.

[1:36:13] Voice 11: My question is, could the restrictions, prohibitions, control of activities

[1:36:23] Voice 11: also be done equally as well under an economic zoning?

[1:36:29] Voice 11: zoning you mean setting up cabinets and guessing building sizes and all over the same yes so equally

[1:36:43] this application could fit into an economic

[1:36:49] Voice 11: zoning with respect to limiting building structure

[1:37:00] Voice 11: but also activity so i think you're twisting my rationale no

[1:37:04] Voice 1: i i'm just asking so the rationale

[1:37:07] Voice 11: that you stated at the beginning because that was the primary there's a number of rationales that

[1:37:11] Voice 11: were uh described uh but with respect to uh the question that i think you're getting at whether

[1:37:19] Voice 11: this fits better within the commercial or uh within uh the current placement i think one of

[1:37:27] Voice 11: the rationales provided by staff and uh and uh so the bylaws were set up that way when i came

[1:37:37] Voice 11: onto the spot to be clear uh is that this would reduce the chance of a commercial operation

[1:37:45] Voice 11: and seeking a similar kind of land use versus what is being set up in this case,

[1:37:54] Voice 11: where there is an OCP policy that speaks to being used for non-profit use.

[1:38:00] Voice 11: I just

[1:38:04] Voice 9: wanted to add, I think the community facility section was also a concern that I had at the beginning,

[1:38:11] Voice 9: But I did talk with staff extensively and we'll note that the Millard Learning Centre is also under the community facility overall heading because there's subsections.

[1:38:21] Voice 9: So it's not with ambulance, it's under environmental education and nature protection zone which was a zone particularly created for the Millard Learning Centre.

[1:38:31] Voice 9: So just to be clear, it's a new subsection created under the community facility zone.

[1:38:36] Voice 9: So it's not lumped in with ambulance and other emergency response.

[1:38:44] Voice 9: Yeah. Okay. So thank you.

[1:38:45] Voice 9: But I think your question

[1:38:46] Voice 3: was more specifically whether protections could be added if it was under the economic zone.

[1:38:51] Voice 3: And I think your answer was yes, we could.

[1:38:54] Voice 3: Question. Yes, sir.

[1:38:55] Voice 3: On

[1:38:56] Voice 11: the same issue, this community facilities and utilities, if you look at this section as a whole,

[1:39:06] Voice 11: uh what's it there for it's used for highway works yards seniors housing hydro substations

[1:39:14] Voice 11: community halls sewage facilities the real definition of what's a community facility

[1:39:23] Voice 11: um why

[1:39:25] Voice 3: how can you how could you justify putting this development which

[1:39:30] Voice 11: is of interest to

[1:39:33] Voice 11: you know a small section of a community not as a

[1:39:37] Voice 10: community facility

[1:39:37] Voice 3: well sir i think there's been

[1:39:39] Voice 3: staff reports around that and answers given to that question on a number of occasions and uh

[1:39:46] Voice 3: so i mean

[1:39:46] Voice 1: i know you don't

[1:39:47] Voice 3: agree with it but that doesn't but i don't know how else we could

[1:39:50] Voice 3: answer the question beyond

[1:39:51] Voice 1: what we already

[1:39:52] Voice 3: have please don't argue with me you've asked a question

[1:39:55] Voice 3: and i'm saying the staff reports that give the rationale and and the trustees have expressed

[1:40:00] Voice 3: expressed their rationale for why we put it in that area so far right and what and just simply

[1:40:06] Voice 3: to say how can you justify that is not really a question that it is evocative to an answer when

[1:40:12] Voice 3: we've already provided the rationale go ahead so

[1:40:15] Voice 11: i think it also has been explaining many times that

[1:40:19] Voice 11: it's not it's under community facilities and utilities uh subheading in the ocp it is not

[1:40:25] Voice 11: a community facility and so the policies under 4.1 or 4.2 don't apply there are also health

[1:40:32] Voice 11: and wellness facilities under the same subheading so i think one could make the same argument that

[1:40:38] Voice 11: you're trying to make why are the health and wellness facility policies under the same

[1:40:43] Voice 11: community facilities and utilities subheading i think it's your opinion

[1:40:47] Voice 11: uh and it may not be opinion shared by everyone that a small segment of your community is

[1:40:52] Voice 11: interested in this facility on your island so

[1:40:56] Voice 3: no we're not going to please let's not do that we'll

[1:41:00] Voice 3: be here a long time we're not going to decide that this happens so yes go ahead please on the

[1:41:08] Voice 11: same topic then uh given that my understanding is that the proposed bylaw does not state that it

[1:41:14] Voice 11: has to be a non-profit society what about the resale of the property in the future

[1:41:22] Voice 11: How is it going to be protected so that it won't be purchased, let's say, by a resort or something?

[1:41:26] Voice 11: Because wellness tourism, there's nothing wrong with wellness tourism, but that's what the perception is there.

[1:41:33] Voice 11: There's nothing restricting that.

[1:41:34] Voice 11: And I

[1:41:35] Voice 11: know there's a definition of spiritual educational retreat, which is a facility that provides contemplative, spiritual, and meditative educational opportunities.

[1:41:44] Voice 11: but to my mind a contemplative educational thing could be a yoga class or an art class so

[1:41:52] Voice 11: what is to stop a resale to a commercial enterprise yeah go ahead

[1:41:59] Voice 11: so the spiritual

[1:42:01] Voice 11: education policies that are proposed one zoning for spiritual education or two views shall not

[1:42:07] Voice 11: support provide or permit any commercial tourism orientated use including nature related

[1:42:13] Voice 11: tourism or visitor accommodation there's also a policy that states spiritual education retreat

[1:42:18] Voice 11: programs should be delivered on how would you distinguish commercial tourism from contemplated

[1:42:25] Voice 11: education nobody

[1:42:26] Voice 3: i'm sorry but your question was how do we control a resale and having it not be

[1:42:32] Voice 3: on a not-for-profit basis and he's just answered that question because the policy says that it

[1:42:37] Voice 3: won't be on a full proper basis the zoning can

[1:42:40] Voice 11: you read that one print again

[1:42:42] Voice 11: spiritual education retreat program should be delivered

[1:42:49] Voice 11: program not the owner spiritual education retreat program should be delivered on a non-profit

[1:42:56] Voice 11: and how does should get enforced is a

[1:42:59] Voice 11: big word to me

[1:43:04] Voice 2: is

[1:43:05] Voice 11: that different than must be enforced so so the one above that says shall not support

[1:43:10] Voice 11: or provider permit any commercial tourism orientated use so even if this organization

[1:43:15] Voice 11: who is a non-profit wanted to have a commercial related tourism orientated use

[1:43:20] Voice 11: so further to that there are also a lot of other mechanisms set up to restrict the development on

[1:43:34] Voice 11: the land base as you've been shown here today there's uh maximum building sizes there's a

[1:43:39] Voice 11: very specific site plan there's no ability to have kitchens or bathrooms in those structures

[1:43:47] Voice 11: there's a lot of other pieces and tools that are put in place to try to limit

[1:43:55] Voice 11: the potential development or redevelopment of this property into some kind of commercial tourism

[1:44:02] Voice 11: tourism-orientated facilities, such as the Galliano Inn and some other commercial property.

[1:44:08] Voice 11: So I'm not defending it, I'm just speaking to that is how staff and the local trust committee

[1:44:17] Voice 11: have applied their considerations to limit that potential risk in the future, regardless

[1:44:26] Voice 11: of who the owner is.

[1:44:28] Voice 3: I'm going to go to you, sir.

[1:44:30] Voice 3: I've seen your hand up at the beginning.

[1:44:31] Voice 3: Question, please.

[1:44:32] Voice 3: i'm

[1:44:32] Voice 11: gathering from this line of questioning we're wondering about the community facility aspects of

[1:44:36] Voice 11: this zone well

[1:44:37] Voice 3: the question's been asked a number of times for quite a while why it's being placed

[1:44:42] Voice 3: under the section of the uh of the ocp that relates to section four which is is it section

[1:44:49] Voice 3: four which is

[1:44:50] Voice 3: community facilities and utilities it has a

[1:44:52] Voice 3: number of subsections

[1:44:53] Voice 11: simple questions

[1:44:54] Voice 11: okay

[1:44:54] Voice 3: what is the

[1:44:55] Voice 11: current zoning for church

[1:44:56] Voice 3: it's under that section okay

[1:44:59] Voice 11: it's under 4.1

[1:45:00] Voice 11: on community facilities.

[1:45:03] Voice 11: This

[1:45:03] Voice 3: is a fraction of the community

[1:45:05] Voice 11: that participates in that

[1:45:07] Voice 3: specific policy related.

[1:45:10] Voice 3: Okay, we're gonna, we'll come back over here in a moment,

[1:45:13] Voice 3: but I'm gonna go, I'll go to you, sir.

[1:45:16] Voice 3: Question, and

[1:45:17] Voice 3: who is your question for, please?

[1:45:19] Voice 11: Probably Brad.

[1:45:20] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:45:21] Voice 3: Mr. Schmidt, Brad.

[1:45:22] Voice 3: That's okay,

[1:45:23] Voice 3: he answers to Brad.

[1:45:26] Voice 11: I'm just wondering, I noticed that in the presentation

[1:45:29] Voice 11: that uh there is a limited day use in this on this particular rezoning application is there any other

[1:45:39] Voice 11: uh property on on the islands uh galliano or anywhere else that has limits how many people

[1:45:45] Voice 11: they can have per day i don't know i think it's quite a unique provision but i wouldn't say

[1:45:52] Voice 11: but anywhere else i don't know about everywhere else so on galliano island and with respect to the

[1:45:59] Voice 11: land use uh bylaws uh there's no budget limit to daily use okay

[1:46:05] Voice 3: we'll work our way back this way

[1:46:07] Voice 3: yes ma'am you in the circle question please for who the

[1:46:10] Voice 8: question to the people from crystal mountain

[1:46:12] Voice 8: um i was involved in a community meeting with the north and the islanders a number of years ago we

[1:46:20] Voice 8: We had it facilitated by Louise and Mike Hobel.

[1:46:24] Voice 8: As neighbors, we created a whole list of concerns that we had, and we sent it back to you.

[1:46:30] Voice 8: Are there any of the things that were on that list, like things like water and septic and building permits and things like that?

[1:46:36] Voice 8: Are there any things on that list that you have not addressed in your proposal?

[1:46:41] Voice 12: There is nothing we didn't address.

[1:46:47] Voice 2: Okay, we'll come back to this for you.

[1:46:49] Voice 10: Do you mind if I change this up?

[1:46:56] Voice 3: oh no no well just tell us who you're going to ask your question

[1:46:59] Voice 12: i wanted to ask a question

[1:47:00] Voice 12: of mr kohut yeah

[1:47:01] Voice 3: absolutely and

[1:47:02] Voice 12: mr baird they're kind of like i see them as twins together the

[1:47:05] Voice 12: water guys if that's okay so first mr kohut uh thanks for your presentation um i just want to

[1:47:14] Voice 12: quote you a bit last week in relation to the galley application you you gave a great explanation of

[1:47:21] Voice 12: why a 72-hour pump test is required and you directed the community to the bc standards

[1:47:28] Voice 12: for well testing which i brought just in case some people didn't believe you because what you said is

[1:47:34] Voice 12: as actually in there and you also said if you're going to be investing a lot of money in a project

[1:47:41] Voice 12: then that well needs to be tested to the highest standards that are acceptable to the province and

[1:47:46] Voice 12: also for an application of a water license which was i thought great advice so i know that the

[1:47:53] Voice 12: provincial standard is for all commercial water licenses uh which cms has been required to but

[1:47:59] Voice 12: has applied for so yet you did a 12 hour contest at crystal mount so given what you said at the

[1:48:08] Voice 12: last ltc are you able to explain how you can justify the low standard of the 12 hour test

[1:48:17] Voice 12: when you were telling the community it's a 17 hour 72 hour test is after the provincial standard

[1:48:26] Voice 11: well thank you for the question and certainly it really depends upon the uh what is being applied

[1:48:34] Voice 11: for and in this case this well is being applied for 0.75 us gallons per minute which is a very

[1:48:43] Voice 11: small amount of water. And this test is going to be adjudicated, reviewed by the Ministry of

[1:48:52] Voice 11: Forests, Lands and Resorts Operations and they will decide whether the information that was

[1:49:00] Voice 11: submitted is sufficient to make the decision. Now besides those standards that you have there

[1:49:09] Voice 11: from 2010 i believe no that's 2020 2020 but i think it was there was an original version yes

[1:49:17] Voice 11: now there is another document which is called guidance with technical assessments

[1:49:29] Voice 11: in support of an application for groundwater use in british land now they also have a table in that

[1:49:37] Voice 11: document that points out the requirements that they would like to see

[1:49:44] Voice 11: as part of the application and for wells that are less than 10 meters cubic meters per day

[1:49:55] Voice 11: that's um i think that's about one one point seven seven five u.s gallons per minute

[1:50:03] Voice 11: they require a well-jeweled report not a 72 hour test

[1:50:11] Voice 11: now

[1:50:13] Voice 5: 72

[1:50:17] Voice 11: hour test um is required under their level i guess it's a level four they're a higher

[1:50:32] Voice 11: potential use of a source that's going to be we're talking about 300 cubic meters per day

[1:50:39] Voice 11: which is getting up to 55 u.s gallons now when i looked at the situation at crystal mountain

[1:50:48] Voice 11: in 2015 half a gallon a minute they were thinking of using that was their demand

[1:50:58] Voice 11: and in my professional opinion at that time i felt that a 12-hour test was sufficient and that

[1:51:05] Voice 11: is the test that is um i normally recommend for subdivisions for a residential purpose so they

[1:51:13] Voice 11: are using they were intending to use much less than a normal subdivision process so i don't

[1:51:24] Voice 11: believe in my professional opinion in this particular situation and the command of this

[1:51:31] Voice 11: society for what they're proposing a 72-hour test is necessary i didn't think of in 2015

[1:51:40] Voice 11: and i don't believe it is still necessary for a number of reasons which i won't prevent

[1:51:45] Voice 4: so

[1:51:46] Voice 11: even though i said in terms of galley 72 hour test which was recommended

[1:51:53] Voice 11: that's a much more the scope of that project is much more elaborate i would say in a sense

[1:52:01] There's

[1:52:01] Voice 11: going to be larger buildings, it's going to be more people, it's going to be

[1:52:06] Voice 11: higher residential use, etc.

[1:52:08] Voice 11: Even though it's a relatively small well, I had recommended 72 hour tests.

[1:52:14] Voice 11: So it may seem inconsistent, but I think if we look at how much water this facility is

[1:52:20] Voice 11: going to use, I think that 12 hour test was sufficient and the Ministry of Forests will

[1:52:27] Voice 11: determine whether that is fact the case and they will get the license or not give a license if they

[1:52:33] Voice 11: require something to our test that would be fine i wouldn't object to that or try to defend it

[1:52:38] Voice 9: like can i just follow up with this because i'm just looking exactly

[1:52:43] Voice 12: you directed us to

[1:52:44] Voice 12: this and i appreciate it it

[1:52:45] Voice 12: actually was great they say that you have to do a longer test

[1:52:49] Voice 12: unless stabilization of the pumping water level but in your own report which is very articulate

[1:52:57] Voice 12: You said stabilization did not occur.

[1:52:59] Voice 11: That's true.

[1:53:00] Voice 11: So

[1:53:00] Voice 12: that makes me think that if you were to follow the guide that you sent us to, that you would have to do a longer test until stabilization occurred.

[1:53:12] Voice 12: And what you just said, which I appreciate your thinking of,

[1:53:16] Voice 12: thank you for that, is that you felt only a 12-hour test is required because of their water use.

[1:53:23] Voice 12: but in fact that's going to be my next question to mr bearer about the water use because um

[1:53:31] Voice 12: well why don't you ask that question so i'm just i'm just pointing out to you that it does say

[1:53:37] Voice 12: quite can

[1:53:37] Voice 3: you ask your question to mr bearer um

[1:53:39] Voice 12: do you disagree with this that you should

[1:53:41] Voice 12: do it longer if you haven't reached stable no

[1:53:43] Voice 3: i certainly i think it's professional

[1:53:46] Voice 3: and i

[1:53:46] Voice 11: should tell you that i was involved in the preparation of some of those documents

[1:53:50] Voice 2: I've

[1:53:51] Voice 11: been involved in assessing bedrock wells in British Columbia for the past 45 years and there is always, in any case, in any guideline, in any standard,

[1:54:05] Voice 11: there's always the opportunity for a professional to not mislead all the guidelines if they have a rationale that is reasonable and professionally based.

[1:54:18] Voice 11: But you

[1:54:19] Voice 11: agree that you didn't

[1:54:21] Voice 12: reach sterilization in Utah?

[1:54:22] Voice 12: Well, that's not necessary.

[1:54:24] Voice 12: OK, no, I hear that.

[1:54:25] Voice 12: You

[1:54:25] Voice 11: say it's not

[1:54:25] Voice 12: necessary, but you still agree that you didn't reach it.

[1:54:28] Voice 12: No,

[1:54:28] Voice 11: many, many bedrock wells never reached sterilization.

[1:54:33] Voice 11: That's not the fact.

[1:54:34] Voice 12: OK, so thank you.

[1:54:35] Voice 12: Then I wanted to ask Mr. Baer.

[1:54:38] Voice 12: I enjoyed reading the Water Energy Plan.

[1:54:40] Voice 12: I learned a lot from it.

[1:54:43] Voice 12: Fascinating, actually.

[1:54:44] Voice 12: So I'll note that in 11 places you refer to the results of the 12-hour pump test.

[1:54:49] Voice 12: and that's where you got your um sustainable yield from correct yes

[1:54:56] Voice 11: i rely on i rely on the

[1:54:58] Voice 11: information yeah

[1:54:59] Voice 12: so you were lighting that right so all your calculations are based on the

[1:55:04] Voice 12: sustainable yield from the 12-hour test that's not disputed it's in your report but um so i've seen

[1:55:12] Voice 12: that as problematic though fine but the other thing is that you've calculated a liters per day

[1:55:19] Voice 12: based on this standard that you have there was a standard that you use the ss

[1:55:24] Voice 12: the sewage system regulations

[1:55:26] Voice 11: so um

[1:55:33] Voice 12: you roughly use that yet the use numbers that you use are actually less than those

[1:55:39] Voice 12: depending on which category for example they're about 15 lower percent lower for the overnight

[1:55:45] Voice 12: guess but for the caretaker cottage which you said in your presentation and it's in your report

[1:55:51] Voice 12: anyways it's a full-time residence it's about 860 square feet which is a standard cabin on galliana

[1:55:59] Voice 12: um unions to water use of a six one sixth of what's required for residents in the galliana

[1:56:09] Voice 12: land use bylaws and so I'm just curious because we do not zone people I have no doubts of how

[1:56:16] Voice 12: wonderful different people are and all our intentions but we zone land and the land use

[1:56:23] Voice 12: bylaws say that for residents you need to prove 2,275 leaders a day that's for everybody who

[1:56:30] Voice 12: lives there yeah you used I think it's 317 so how do you justify them

[1:56:35] Voice 11: actually quite easily um so

[1:56:38] Voice 11: So, when I'm doing a water demand, because the water demand is being done for Island Health, it's been driven by water protection regulation,

[1:56:47] Voice 11: what I need to do is I need to look at what the water use is going to be in regard to the way that Island Health is going to look at the community water system.

[1:56:59] Voice 11: so that and that's what they use across the province and in that process of doing that

[1:57:07] Voice 11: there are four different ways that a professional can come up with a water demand

[1:57:15] Voice 11: and the more different that a project is the less conventional it is so if this were a

[1:57:22] Voice 11: a luxury resort versus a campground versus whatever,

[1:57:27] Voice 11: the more that you vary off of what would be conventionally

[1:57:32] Voice 11: written down in the sewer system regulations

[1:57:37] Voice 11: for the building code, the more it relies on doing,

[1:57:41] Voice 11: what we actually did is we did a look at the users

[1:57:46] Voice 11: and looked at the fixtures,

[1:57:48] Voice 11: what the flow rates of the fixtures are,

[1:57:50] Voice 11: what the usages of those fixtures were, so we were able to actually look much closer at how it was going to be used.

[1:57:57] Voice 11: That's the other way that could be done with that water demand.

[1:58:02] Voice 11: Now, there is also a third way, which is to use the building coat, plumbing coat, and what's called fixture units for drains.

[1:58:10] Voice 11: And what the province, what the health authority is moving to is actually working off of what Washington State has.

[1:58:22] Voice 11: And that is, and I ran the calculations yesterday.

[1:58:28] Voice 11: So, for example, we've got a total combined usage of, say, 109.8 for the overnight guests.

[1:58:36] Voice 11: under the Washington State guidelines,

[1:58:38] Voice 11: that would be 180 nanolitres.

[1:58:40] Voice 11: So Washington State's actually below my judgment column.

[1:58:46] Voice 11: For the day visitors, ours is 63.1,

[1:58:50] Voice 11: Washington State would be 56 litres a day.

[1:58:53] Voice 11: And then based on the caretakers usage pattern,

[1:58:57] Voice 11: and I've got three documents here,

[1:59:03] Voice 11: when the Galliano residents,

[1:59:07] Voice 11: residents. I think this came out of the SQ research that I got here. I'm happy to give you a copy of this at the end of the meeting. Galliano residents, and this refers to my comment, use, when you live on the island, you generally use less water. You use about half the water that someone from off the island uses. So when somebody eats their bed and breakfast, they're going to use much more water. This is a very different sort of a situation where we're looking at

[1:59:37] Voice 11: at day counts, overnight counts,

[1:59:40] Voice 11: and we're looking at caretaker facility,

[1:59:43] Voice 11: and the caretaker would be expected to be using

[1:59:45] Voice 11: something very similar to what other residents

[1:59:49] Voice 11: on the island were using for drinking water.

[1:59:52] Voice 11: So when I come up with those figures,

[1:59:55] Voice 11: again, it's very similar to Al's.

[1:59:57] Voice 11: It's basically using a perpetual judgment,

[1:59:58] Voice 11: and then what I do is I...

[2:00:00] Voice 11: take the figures I have, and I compare them to the subject

[2:00:04] Voice 11: sewage regulations, to see how far off I am, whether I have a

[2:00:09] Voice 11: comfort with the numbers.

[2:00:12] Voice 11: Okay,

[2:00:13] Voice 12: so you're I'm hearing me say that you have used the

[2:00:17] Voice 12: numbers. Even assuming that Galliano residents use less,

[2:00:22] Voice 12: you're still having a number that's a third of what's in our

[2:00:26] Voice 12: valley on the land use file based

[2:00:27] Voice 11: on based on the amount of toilet use laundry use shower use

[2:00:32] Voice 11: because we've moved to navigating

[2:00:40] Voice 12: but you're still using a third of what's in our landing spot so i'm not sure how to justify that

[2:00:46] Voice 12: for a full-time residence i have one other last question because you've just said you're basing it

[2:00:51] Voice 5: i think we're going to do that i'll come back here okay it's

[2:00:54] Voice 12: just a very simple last question

[2:00:55] Voice 12: because it's the same line have you ever experienced a commercial somebody applying

[2:01:03] Voice 12: for commercial well because that's what they are uh commercial groundwater use this requirement

[2:01:09] Voice 12: that has based it uh on a 12 hour contest and if so

[2:01:14] Voice 12: could you explain to us the examples

[2:01:16] Voice 11: most like both you know i'm seeing most of the stuff i'm dealing with on the rainwater systems

[2:01:22] Voice 11: I have a school up in Nanaimo that is a 12-hour pump test, but being a client, I can't necessarily talk about that, but yes, I do have a client in Nanaimo that is based on a 12-hour pump test.

[2:01:38] Voice 11: And in the District of Highland where I'm a councillor, what we have is for a subdivision, which is looking at a broader scale and a much bigger use,

[2:01:47] Voice 11: it's a 72-hour pump test for individual residences

[2:01:51] Voice 11: yeah that's

[2:01:54] Voice 9: the same as the contest

[2:02:04] Voice 12: if your zoning does not go through what are your plans for the land

[2:02:10] Voice 12: you know we couldn't really say i just want we put all our eggs in one basket

[2:02:20] Voice 12: I mean, I don't know if there are other board members who would like to consider

[2:02:28] Voice 2: answering

[2:02:30] Voice 12: that question.

[2:02:31] Voice 2: We will persist.

[2:02:36] Voice 11: Okay, more questions.

[2:02:37] Voice 3: Yes, Ms. Forney.

[2:02:41] Voice 12: Island's Health conducted a inspection of the Christenhouse apartment this summer and

[2:02:47] Voice 12: and has disclosed that they determined that there had been kitchen waste,

[2:02:53] Voice 12: which is probably part of the sewage stream, going into a tank or some kind of underground pit

[2:02:59] Voice 12: for how many years. There was a sewer vent, just to be absolutely clear,

[2:03:10] Voice 12: which is actually sewage.

[2:03:13] Voice 12: so my question is for staff and for the ecological consultant who is also the project manager

[2:03:21] Voice 12: i'm given that it is too close to the central well this pitch or tank um and it is also too

[2:03:29] Voice 12: close to the fragile wetland which is spotlight creek which then empties into spotlight cove and

[2:03:34] Voice 12: affects a whole subdivision of neighbors did you test the groundwater to see what the contamination

[2:03:40] Voice 12: issues might be and going forward after 22 years of non-reliance to the system how can we be

[2:03:49] Voice 12: assured that you'll abide by the terms of your new subject system okay

[2:03:53] Voice 3: so there's two questions there

[2:03:55] Voice 3: one is did you test the groundwater and the second is what i guess what steps do you have in place to

[2:04:00] Voice 3: ensure compliance with island i

[2:04:02] Voice 12: also wanted to know when the kit was installed if it's a pit or

[2:04:06] Voice 12: a tank and with what permission was it put there

[2:04:10] Voice 3: okay thanks for your question anybody want who

[2:04:13] Voice 3: wants to talk well i

[2:04:13] Voice 11: can start to answer it so in terms of me doing a risk assessment for the well

[2:04:20] Voice 11: for the wellhead protection um it was my understanding that they do have a gray water

[2:04:25] Voice 11: system for the kitchen waste there and so as part of any sort of wellhead protection plan is i've

[2:04:34] Voice 11: let them know that that can't exist and that would ultimately be going into the new septic system

[2:04:40] Voice 11: that would be being built by the registered septic installer so in regards to testing

[2:04:50] Voice 11: um and looking at the island health testing that is done on a regular basis

[2:04:56] Voice 11: uh many many years ago and i'm sorry i don't have the first date on on the record i think

[2:05:04] there were some uh bacteria but it has tested every

[2:05:09] Voice 11: every year since you

[2:05:11] Voice 12: mean for the users

[2:05:12] Voice 12: on the crystal mountain for the

[2:05:14] Voice 11: well itself for the well itself so um so even though

[2:05:19] Voice 11: there um even though there has been a nice clean well for so many years um i'm still requiring that

[2:05:28] Voice 11: that safety zone of two levels of treatment

[2:05:32] Voice 11: and that the gray water system becomes part of

[2:05:35] Voice 11: and rooted to the new septic system that's installed.

[2:05:38] Voice 11: So I don't know if that helps.

[2:05:39] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:05:40] Voice 12: no, it does.

[2:05:41] Voice 12: I mean,

[2:05:41] Voice 12: they're gonna try to do better.

[2:05:43] Voice 12: But my question then is sort of apart.

[2:05:46] Voice 12: How long has there been kitchen waste

[2:05:49] Voice 12: which is actually sealed

[2:05:51] Voice 12: going into this underground pivot point?

[2:05:53] Voice 12: Who gave you permission to do that?

[2:05:55] Voice 12: And were you concerned about the environmental impact of the entire subdivision of people below your spot?

[2:06:03] Voice 12: Spotlight post and irrigation license held by public spotlights?

[2:06:09] Voice 11: I can answer part of that.

[2:06:11] Voice 12: No, I'm looking to the applicant.

[2:06:13] Voice 11: Well, let's have

[2:06:14] Voice 3: the expert and then the applicant get into it.

[2:06:16] Voice 3: reason i

[2:06:16] Voice 11: can ask part of that is that i was responsible for the development of the great

[2:06:21] Voice 11: water and compost toilet regulations guidelines in the province and so prior to 2016 there were

[2:06:31] Voice 11: no regulations that stopped people from having compost toilets for the great water system so

[2:06:38] Voice 11: there was no sort of governance over that and so any of the great water systems that existed

[2:06:43] Voice 11: existed for 2016 or sort of have been grandfathered in very much, very much like our house water

[2:06:51] Voice 11: systems. So in in respect to the approvals given, they only received after 2016, with with great

[2:07:19] Voice 12: water well it

[2:07:24] Voice 3: doesn't sound like a question it sounds like you asked a question

[2:07:27] Voice 10: the question

[2:07:28] Voice 3: you asked is how long

[2:07:30] Voice 3: is a gray water pit been there

[2:07:32] Voice 12: okay

[2:07:33] Voice 3: well we can i saw a hand go up over

[2:07:35] Voice 3: here.

[2:07:36] Voice 12: So you're asking how long the gray water pit has been being used? Sewage pit because kitchen

[2:07:48] Voice 12: waste is sewage. Now that's an interesting choice of where do I when I think of sewage I think of

[2:07:54] Voice 12: things that come out of the toilet. Is that just me? No it's true. Okay so the water from the

[2:08:02] Voice 12: the kitchen has been going into the greywater pit for between two and four weeks a year for the last

[2:08:13] Voice 12: 15 years when the pit was put in.

[2:08:16] Voice 10: And with what commission?

[2:08:22] Voice 3: Okay so

[2:08:24] Voice 9: I think the

[2:08:24] Voice 3: answer is there was none but that we also heard from the expert that

[2:08:27] Voice 3: when none was required until prior

[2:08:29] Voice 3: prior to 2016.

[2:08:40] Voice 3: let's not do this let's let's get the question so you want to know how i mean i think you've

[2:08:45] Voice 3: had the requirement and we've got we've got a section 2.219 governance and all the requirements

[2:08:50] Voice 3: for my island health and etc uh is not a question that you could ask any landowner how do we know

[2:08:56] Voice 3: that they're going to comply going forward

[2:08:58] Voice 4: well i don't know

[2:09:03] Voice 3: let's not let's just go uh yes i'm

[2:09:11] Voice 3: sorry is this a question you're going to answer yeah

[2:09:14] Voice 11: well i just i wanted to make the point that

[2:09:17] Voice 10: i think

[2:09:17] Voice 11: follows up just on what we're saying we have to recognize that we're getting the

[2:09:21] Voice 11: So we have requirements for wastewater systems.

[2:09:35] Voice 11: This is what we're talking about.

[2:09:37] Voice 11: It's going forward to dwell on what has happened in the last few years.

[2:09:42] Voice 11: This is a great one.

[2:09:43] Voice 11: It finished and said the water goes in there.

[2:09:45] Voice 11: There's a settling tank.

[2:09:46] Voice 11: It goes to the pipe, perforated pipe.

[2:09:48] Voice 11: It goes out of that pit, the water, right?

[2:09:51] Voice 11: And the line going underground, well away from that area.

[2:09:55] Voice 11: And Keith could speak to whether it has any possible effect

[2:10:00] Voice 11: on the spotlight for the wetlands.

[2:10:02] Voice 9: Many hundreds of feet from there.

[2:10:05] And as I said, the point is, we're going forward.

[2:10:09] It's all in the plan.

[2:10:10] Voice 11: We cannot go forward without it.

[2:10:12] Voice 11: And it seems like that should be the reassuring answer

[2:10:15] Voice 11: to everybody.

[2:10:18] Voice 3: Let's go to another question.

[2:10:19] Voice 3: Yes, sir.

[2:10:21] Voice 11: curious if um anybody can uh reassure me about this 22 years of non-compliance

[2:10:31] Voice 11: is there any non-compliance that crystal mountain has been

[2:10:36] Voice 11: um for 22 years not complying with anything sir

[2:10:42] Voice 3: what's your question what's who are you

[2:10:44] Voice 11: looking at and what's your who's your question for and what's your i don't know who can answer

[2:10:48] Voice 11: this but is there anything that crystal mountain has been in non-compliance for 22 years i'm not

[2:10:55] Voice 11: asking you and i

[2:11:01] Voice 3: i see you looking over here and i'm just wondering

[2:11:03] Voice 11: who you're water water issues

[2:11:06] Voice 11: has crystal mountain been is it in non-compliance at the moment and for how long has it been

[2:11:14] Voice 11: so the land is over forest and rural residential so their use of the land is

[2:11:25] Voice 11: yeah

[2:11:26] Voice 4: and

[2:11:27] Voice 11: and so has this been

[2:11:33] Voice 11: detrimental to the compliance of everyone else

[2:11:39] in the margins well so the the my i'm giving you so i think what we heard

[2:11:45] Voice 11: from mr barrett is that

[2:11:47] Voice 11: with respect to their gray water system they are not in non-compliance because their system was

[2:11:52] in place prior to when the regulations were established that would require them to comply

[2:11:57] with some other system uh with respect to land use which is uh the what i would with respect

[2:12:04] respect to the bylaws.

[2:12:05] Voice 11: The bylaws, and so why there's six degrees zoning, is to become,

[2:12:10] Voice 11: to seek a legal use of the property for the activities that have been taken. The Island's

[2:12:18] Voice 11: Trust, for reasons that

[2:12:22] Voice 11: I can't necessarily answer, bylaw enforcement and the local trust

[2:12:25] Voice 11: committee have decided not to actively enforce the use of the land base for the activities

[2:12:34] Voice 11: So there is an issue with respect to land use, from what I hear from Mr. Board, they're not with respect to graywater use.

[2:12:46] Voice 11: use. And while water use my personal, not professional hydrogeologist opinion, but my

[2:13:00] Voice 11: personal opinion as a professional who's worked in these fields for over 30 years, their level

[2:13:07] Voice 11: of water use is so minimal. In particular, right now, we don't have a dwelling on the

[2:13:14] Voice 11: decided i don't see any impact of their use right now both the groundwater uh supplemented with

[2:13:28] Voice 11: their storage tanks on anyone as well okay i'm

[2:13:33] Voice 3: going to go over this yes questions please yes

[2:13:35] Voice 11: Yes, to

[2:13:36] Voice 12: make it simple, is there, given the concern about water, is there any possibility in the future of adding water collection tanks and using UV systems as is allowable on private properties to use

[2:13:54] Voice 10: that water if the well fails?

[2:13:57] Voice 3: Okay, so that's a good question, because there is a combination of potable and non-potable, but non-potable is just used for other...

[2:14:04] Voice 3: thank

[2:14:05] Voice 11: you um so yeah so we do have uh allowances in the province and we do have a canadian and

[2:14:11] u.s standard for all the rainwater harvesting and that is what i'm doing

[2:14:17] so

[2:14:19] Voice 11: uh there is no reason why um yet there was a need for rainwater

[2:14:35] Voice 3: Okay, so yeah, maybe I'll go to Louise to carry on.

[2:14:40] Voice 3: Nice to see you.

[2:14:42] Voice 3: Um,

[2:14:43] Voice 10: I have two questions, but I need to respond to something to hear it.

[2:14:54] Voice 3: Respond something to hear it.

[2:14:56] Voice 10: Yes, she

[2:14:56] Voice 10: said that the F1 Crystal Mound is the same rezoning, is the same as the Plaintiff Engine Project.

[2:15:11] Voice 3: No, I think what she said was that the Millard Center had been put into the broader category of community zoning.

[2:15:20] Voice 3: the

[2:15:21] Voice 10: problem there is that the um um chrismon is for us one and so there are some ways to

[2:15:38] Voice 10: to get development on a one-point property,

[2:15:43] Voice 10: the consuming the property was rented out.

[2:15:50] Voice 10: So that was it.

[2:15:52] Voice 10: Sorry,

[2:15:52] Voice 3: we were talking about something different.

[2:15:55] Voice 3: We were talking about where it was placed in the OPCP.

[2:15:57] Voice 3: Okay, what's your question, please?

[2:15:59] Voice 10: Questions,

[2:16:00] Voice 3: I think you said.

[2:16:01] Voice 10: And

[2:16:02] Voice 3: who is it for?

[2:16:02] Voice 3: Thanks, Louise.

[2:16:03] Voice 10: Well, it's actually for the OPCP.

[2:16:06] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:16:06] Voice 3: I

[2:16:08] Voice 10: wondered if you have gravitation there with the upper level, and I wondered if you ever considered, and then what you did is the residential lot that you put into the big lot.

[2:16:33] Voice 10: Do you ever consider taking away the upper elevation lot and having that all one lot?

[2:16:45] Voice 3: I think the question is why a whole lot and why did you ever consider making a proposal of one big piece of property?

[2:16:53] Voice 12: I think that's your question. It's

[2:16:54] Voice 12: kind of a combination probably more Keith than us.

[2:16:59] Voice 12: um i from our perspective as we mentioned in the presentation there's an aspect of study that

[2:17:17] Voice 12: requires another level of isolation so having three separate single people up on that area

[2:17:29] Voice 12: is of immense benefit to study and but the ecological part of it is is quite big too and

[2:17:39] Voice 12: and that match that he put out there that showed with the hatches across of all the

[2:17:46] Voice 12: you know more high ecological values you'll notice that both pieces of our development area are

[2:17:58] Voice 12: have found a spot in those areas that are more highly impacted but keith is

[2:18:05] Voice 12: he can talk about that

[2:18:06] Voice 12: i just wanted

[2:18:20] Voice 11: to clarify did i hear in the questions

[2:18:23] Voice 11: have we considered not including lot nine?

[2:18:29] Voice 11: No, no, no, no, no.

[2:18:30] Voice 3: The question was rather than having a split, a hooked lot,

[2:18:35] Voice 3: whether having your development be less complicated by having

[2:18:40] Voice 3: one continuous piece of land and the rest of

[2:18:44] Voice 11: it being built.

[2:18:45] Voice 11: I think that

[2:18:47] Voice 3: was the nature of the question.

[2:18:49] Voice 3: It was to you because you're the applicant as to whether you've ever

[2:18:53] Voice 3: considered that it's a possibility

[2:18:54] Voice 10: oh yeah we we have to consider that

[2:19:00] Voice 10: it's um

[2:19:05] Voice 10: it is

[2:19:07] Voice 10: in two pieces i

[2:19:09] Voice 11: think one of the contributing factors is lot nine has such

[2:19:13] Voice 11: high ecological values and lot nine is a residential lot fully zoned as you as you know

[2:19:19] Voice 11: We don't have to include that in an application, so there's a

[2:19:27] Voice 11: bit of a balance there as to

[2:19:30] Voice 11: how much ecology is preserved in the overall picture and that's what we kept going to is

[2:19:35] Voice 11: the overall picture of how much of the ecosystems and especially the sensitive ecosystems are

[2:19:41] Voice 11: being preserved.

[2:19:42] Voice 11: And as you've probably heard, we are preserving 90% total in those two areas.

[2:19:48] Voice 11: That's 15% beyond the usual heritage forest trade-off of 75-25.

[2:19:57] Voice 11: So I just reiterate the same thing.

[2:20:00] Voice 11: If you look at the whole picture and the ecosystems and everything that she's explained and defined,

[2:20:06] Voice 11: you know the value of the whole picture is is much more preservation and protection into the future

[2:20:14] Voice 11: than than any other option you could consider and and taking that small piece i think it is

[2:20:22] Voice 11: it like one hectare you know this up at the top it's only one hectare inside it has three little

[2:20:29] Voice 11: huts and one little service building and it hardly impacts up there at all it was logged up there

[2:20:36] Voice 11: quite a lot in the whole logging process right and it it it sits up there you know

[2:20:44] Voice 11: already a

[2:20:45] Voice 9: legal easement road up

[2:20:46] Voice 11: to it nothing has to be put in to get that

[2:20:48] Voice 11: you know and it has this extra protection on it in the 219 covenant but we have to prove

[2:20:55] Voice 11: potable water or whatever before we can do anything at all so it's like protection on

[2:21:02] Voice 11: protection on protection and that's probably the best i can do

[2:21:05] Voice 3: okay so i

[2:21:06] Voice 10: think you've got

[2:21:07] Voice 10: your answer

[2:21:07] Voice 3: your first question do you have a second question

[2:21:09] Voice 10: but i just wanted to comment

[2:21:11] Voice 10: Well, we're not okay.

[2:21:20] Voice 10: My second question is, since 2004, that's when the applications came before the stress.

[2:21:34] Voice 10: The

[2:21:34] Voice 3: first applicator.

[2:21:35] Voice 10: The first one.

[2:21:36] Voice 10: Before that, they were on the bottom.

[2:21:39] Voice 10: So the first

[2:21:41] Voice 10: applicator since then

[2:21:43] Voice 10: has been

[2:21:44] Voice 10: any

[2:21:45] Voice 10: have you built

[2:21:50] Voice 10: anything?

[2:21:51] Voice 11: Yes, there's a

[2:21:54] Voice 11: meditation hut

[2:21:56] Voice 11: that I think is

[2:21:59] Voice 11: 160

[2:22:00] Voice 11: square feet.

[2:22:02] Voice 11: And it's on skids.

[2:22:04] Voice 11: and yeah now it it wasn't supposed to happen

[2:22:11] Voice 3: i'm sorry i

[2:22:12] Voice 11: didn't get that she

[2:22:13] Voice 3: said where did you get the building permit and i think

[2:22:15] Voice 3: the answer was it wasn't supposed to happen

[2:22:16] Voice 9: actually i remember louise that we took you

[2:22:19] Voice 11: there when you were the trustee with uh sandy he came on the land yeah so

[2:22:24] Voice 9: i know you know it's

[2:22:25] Voice 11: there

[2:22:25] Voice 9: okay let's get to keep

[2:22:28] Voice 3: moving another question uh we'll go we are in mindy akasha

[2:22:34] Voice 3: um i

[2:22:36] Voice 7: just wanted to follow up on what suzanne and michael were saying um if

[2:22:43] Voice 7: in the beginning this was a residential allotment why did you go ahead and build without getting

[2:22:51] Voice 7: this changed in the first place because it seems to me that that's what's eroded a lot of the trust

[2:22:59] Voice 7: on the island

[2:23:00] Voice 7: is that basically you didn't follow the governance and i know

[2:23:03] Voice 7: sandy um was telling me

[2:23:05] Voice 7: since i got here that you have that the crystal mountain has not been following the government

[2:23:11] Voice 7: so i just wanted to know why that occurred and how you're going to write that wrong because it's

[2:23:18] Voice 7: cause a lot of you know disruption

[2:23:23] Voice 12: in the community yeah well you know we can't we can't

[2:23:28] Voice 12: turn that back we made a

[2:23:31] Voice 12: mistake we should not have built green prototype huts in our minds we

[2:23:37] Voice 12: we felt like the rezoning would happen quicker starting in 2004 we knew it was going to take a

[2:23:45] Voice 12: while when we built those huts in which year was it we built them as prototypes to say okay

[2:23:53] Voice 12: is 160 square feet enough for a hut for somebody to stay in and meditate so in our minds we felt

[2:24:01] Voice 12: like we needed to try something to further design the actual retreat that we were applying for

[2:24:09] Voice 12: We had no idea in 2004 that it would take this long.

[2:24:15] Voice 12: And there's no blame anywhere.

[2:24:18] Voice 12: It's a difficult process.

[2:24:20] Voice 12: We made a mistake.

[2:24:22] Voice 12: We should not have built those three huts.

[2:24:24] Voice 12: We regret it.

[2:24:26] Voice 12: We

[2:24:27] Voice 10: also did many great but not great ones.

[2:24:31] Voice 12: I'm sorry.

[2:24:32] Voice 12: It has caused people to lose faith and trust in our organization.

[2:24:41] Voice 12: And so what are you doing to try to repair that trust?

[2:24:45] Voice 12: That's a harder

[2:24:47] Voice 9: question, but I appreciate it.

[2:24:50] Voice 9: What are

[2:24:53] Voice 3: you doing to try and repair that?

[2:24:55] Voice 9: As far as the trust or the situation?

[2:24:58] Voice 9: The broken trust.

[2:24:59] Voice 3: No, no, and she means the trust with the community.

[2:25:02] Voice 3: This

[2:25:03] Voice 11: is part of the process.

[2:25:04] Voice 11: and we have met with the community in very many ways um over the last many years from

[2:25:13] Voice 11: uh open houses here and in the north hall and you know on the land

[2:25:20] Voice 11: we're trying to be and i think well you're trying to be we are being as transparent as

[2:25:26] Voice 11: we can possibly be as as janice said that was a mistake no doubt about it building those two

[2:25:35] Voice 11: going forward okay

[2:25:37] Voice 3: i'm going to

[2:25:39] Voice 3: ask everybody in the community not to sort of call out because

[2:25:42] Voice 3: we'll never get through this with you thanks keep going

[2:25:45] Voice 11: going going forward as i said we we've had

[2:25:49] Voice 11: uh community consultations with neighbors many years many neighbors many consultations

[2:25:55] Voice 11: that's getting to know us us getting to know them in taking the opinions the fears the questions

[2:26:03] Voice 11: the advice, and we've incorporated a whole bunch of this in all the changes we've made

[2:26:09] Voice 11: over the years.

[2:26:10] Voice 11: We've reduced the numbers of huts, we've reduced the numbers of people down and down and down.

[2:26:15] Voice 11: We're at, let's see, we started at 30, we wanted to have permission overnight for 30.

[2:26:21] Voice 11: We're down to 20.

[2:26:23] Voice 11: So that's a huge change.

[2:26:26] Voice 11: that and that that you know so the huts between the huts and the campsites so the number of people

[2:26:32] Voice 11: all those parameters which i'd be happy to sit down with you at some point in more detail i'm

[2:26:38] Voice 11: a little conscious of trying to get through you know a reasonable answer to your question and i

[2:26:43] Voice 11: this is one of the hardest questions for us is why have you guys got yourself in this situation

[2:26:49] Voice 11: You

[2:26:50] Voice 10: know, and

[2:26:51] Voice 11: in point of fact, you know, on the forest lot, then this predates me, but it doesn't matter. It's just that I don't have intimate detail on it, but like the kitchen platform, you know, I believe it was trying to fit into what it said on the forest non-allowance of an open sided building.

[2:27:11] Voice 11: So they've never been in close. I mean, the kitchen's never been in close, that type of thing.

[2:27:18] Voice 11: But that wasn't actually in compliance either.

[2:27:22] That wasn't fully

[2:27:23] Voice 11: in compliance because an open sided building on the forest lot is used for accessory forest use, right?

[2:27:31] Voice 11: The timber production, those kinds of things.

[2:27:35] Voice 11: Well, we used it as an open air kitchen for a camping retreat for two to four weeks in the summer.

[2:27:40] Voice 11: and that's not what the bylaws said and it still doesn't say it now so this is the rezoning process

[2:27:47] Voice 11: it's taken us a lot of iterations to get here and but we're here now and i can't tell you it's

[2:27:55] Voice 11: it's really great to see this cross-section of the island here people who that i've worked for

[2:28:02] Voice 11: worked for worked with in the past on forest issues

[2:28:09] Voice 11: people I work with now and a whole mix and you know there's been a lot said um over the last

[2:28:17] Voice 11: while about divisive issues on the island and there's been a lot of vitriolic conversation

[2:28:22] Voice 11: and things brought forward not just about our application but others as well and other issues

[2:28:28] Voice 11: and I hope that this piece of it this crystal mountain piece of it can find some peace and

[2:28:36] Voice 11: and a place for it to settle,

[2:28:38] Voice 11: and that our offering to the community

[2:28:41] Voice 11: will be seen for what it is.

[2:28:45] Voice 11: We are not moving forward into anything

[2:28:48] Voice 11: that would be disruptive into some new kind of

[2:28:56] Voice 11: non-retreat center use,

[2:28:57] Voice 11: which I think I hear people afraid of.

[2:29:02] Voice 11: And that's probably all I can think of

[2:29:04] Voice 11: to try to express.

[2:29:05] Voice 3: Okay. Let's move

[2:29:07] Voice 3: on to a couple other questions. I know there's one over here. Go ahead.

[2:29:09] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:29:10] Voice 5: This is for Mr. Erickson. The Ireland Trust, I know, takes very seriously the words of the experts and they make their decisions and applications.

[2:29:24] Voice 5: Now, you have presented yourself in your whole role like that were a very normal thing.

[2:29:33] Voice 5: I am talking about the conflicts of interest.

[2:29:38] Voice 5: The question is that you have been hired by the Crystal Mountain Society in two positions.

[2:29:46] Voice 5: Firstly, an ecological assessment contractor to determine areas of ecological concern and

[2:29:56] Voice 5: potential ecological impact.

[2:30:00] Voice 5: And secondly, as technical project management contractor to assist with the subdivision and transfer of land and support crystal mountain in the resort.

[2:30:13] Voice 5: And we have seen that Planner Smith introduced you as representing Crystal Mountains.

[2:30:22] Voice 5: You receive remuneration for both positions.

[2:30:27] Voice 5: As a professional biologist sworn to give recommendations from an impartial and factual

[2:30:36] Voice 5: science base, can you explain why you do not consider yourself to be in a position of conflict

[2:30:47] Voice 5: of interest for this application?

[2:30:50] Voice 5: Sure.

[2:30:59] Voice 2: But

[2:31:04] Voice 11: you accurately described my professional contracts with that organization.

[2:31:16] Voice 11: I disclosed the

[2:31:18] Voice 2: history of contracts with that organization.

[2:31:21] Voice 2: I have hesitation or problem in terms of my code of conduct as a professional in the role that I

[2:31:38] Voice 11: play for this organization.

[2:31:41] Voice 11: I have disclosed that because this has come up in the community before to my professional organization that sought guidance on that.

[2:31:53] Voice 11: And they were of the opinion that there is no conflict of interest.

[2:31:59] Voice 11: I conducted my ecological assessment in a professional manner in accordance with the

[2:32:08] rules and regulations and ethics that are outlined in my professional work in biology.

[2:32:15] And I am now conducting

[2:32:17] Voice 11: my role as managing the ethical aspects of the education with the same

[2:32:25] Voice 11: uh with the same summit and so i have no uh doubt that i do not have a

[2:32:37] Voice 11: although if somebody can provide me a rational explanation as to that there is i would be

[2:32:50] Voice 11: welcome hearing that i have

[2:32:52] Voice 2: asked about

[2:33:01] Voice 3: this you've asked a question you've got your answer

[2:33:04] Voice 3: do you have a second question i

[2:33:06] Voice 5: would like to know if you know that the island trust

[2:33:10] Voice 5: cannot consider conflict of interest in the experts do you know that well

[2:33:17] Voice 3: that well that's

[2:33:18] Voice 3: not actually accurate we take expert reports for what they are and

[2:33:24] Voice 5: we could we

[2:33:25] Voice 3: and we can

[2:33:25] Voice 3: we could if we felt it was necessary we could require a second report or something of that nature

[2:33:32] Voice 5: yes but can the island trust investigate in the name of conflict of interest by an expert

[2:33:39] Voice 3: we wouldn't make a determination of that but we might put a weight on an expert a report that we

[2:33:46] Voice 3: had questions about so we're not we're not his governing body uh and we're not his but we take

[2:33:53] Voice 3: expert reports for what they are and sometimes sometimes we question experts i know some people

[2:33:58] Voice 3: don't believe this but sometimes we question expert reports and make sure that we're satisfied

[2:34:03] Voice 3: with them and sometimes we get more than one opinion because we we do look at extra reports

[2:34:09] Voice 3: and want to make sure that they're correct okay thank you very much i'm going to go yes i know

[2:34:14] Voice 3: mr dota you've had your hand up for a long time and then i'm going to come back over here thank

[2:34:18] Voice 10: Thank you. My question is for Keith.

[2:34:20] Voice 12: I'm wondering if CMS has received a preliminary submission for the Barley letter?

[2:34:31] Voice 10: No.

[2:34:32] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:34:32] Voice 12: I was just going to ask what the pieces of that were, because there was a, and this is the context for that,

[2:34:40] Voice 12: is just in the planners at the bottom just about time rezoning after you know to the sequencing

[2:34:50] Voice 12: right and that could cause some logistical issues depending on what the pieces of subdivisions

[2:34:57] Voice 12: work so that's my question okay so

[2:35:00] Voice 11: let's come over here and i saw yeah oh sorry go ahead i would add

[2:35:04] Voice 11: to that that in this case because the the land donation is going to a public body uh there's

[2:35:11] Voice 11: the potential that could be a section 99 subdivision of the land

[2:35:14] Voice 11: total act which has

[2:35:15] Voice 11: slightly different requirements than a regular subdivision process and so i think that the the

[2:35:22] Voice 11: the involvement of a

[2:35:25] Voice 11: of an approving officer the role of the approving officers

[2:35:32] Voice 3: I'm going to go to Sheila Anderson who's behind you this morning because she's had her hand up for a little while. We haven't heard from her yet.

[2:35:38] Voice 10: Well, that kind of leads into the question I was going to ask.

[2:35:43] Voice 9: Just explain to people about this,

[2:35:46] Voice 10: that like our,

[2:35:50] our

[2:35:51] Voice 9: subdivision regulations don't allow hooked

[2:35:55] Voice 10: lots like that.

[2:35:57] Voice 10: We do have hooked lots on the Allianz Crossroads,

[2:36:00] Voice 10: of course, but would you confirm that under

[2:36:09] Voice 2: our subdivision regulations,

[2:36:12] Voice 2: such a hooked two separate lots wouldn't work?

[2:36:16] There's no reference to not being able to lock the figure in the sub-division.

[2:36:23] It doesn't

[2:36:24] Voice 10: require that every

[2:36:25] Voice 12: new lock from the normal subdivision processes requires road frontage?

[2:36:33] Voice 2: I'm

[2:36:41] Voice 4: pretty sure it does.

[2:36:42] Voice 4: Yeah,

[2:36:43] Voice 11: so in that case, there are exceptions to that where the improving officer can decide that you can provide easement instead of frontage.

[2:37:17] special circumstance that

[2:37:20] Voice 11: is being allowed to do this type of subdivision. It is like

[2:37:27] Voice 10: this except

[2:37:30] Voice 10: Yep, Collins and Corning Park, where there is a hooked lot that's not actually labeled, but anyway.

[2:37:38] Voice 10: So that was one question I had.

[2:37:41] Voice 10: The other related to, while you're looking at it, I just want to confirm that what we've heard today from the Crystal Mountains representative

[2:37:51] Voice 10: is that there is one hut up on the upper ridge property already once again.

[2:37:59] Voice 10: So, in previous information and questioning, there's no well, there's no septic, and we were told by Planet Kojima that without those things, they couldn't use that or add more huts.

[2:38:20] Voice 10: How do we know that will get people ahead with this?

[2:38:29] Voice 5: So what was your question again?

[2:38:31] Voice 5: this this one is there's an existing hut up

[2:38:34] Voice 10: on the ridge there's no septic there's no water yeah um

[2:38:38] Voice 10: and they want to build two more right but if you go ahead with this proposal and it gets approved

[2:38:45] Voice 10: yeah it actually gets a water license um even though the water lessons

[2:38:51] Voice 11: wouldn't apply to the

[2:38:52] Voice 11: upper room so you would need to demonstrate proof of potable water

[2:38:55] Voice 11: through the covenant condition

[2:38:57] Voice 10: but they have a pilot there so they

[2:39:00] Voice 11: would not be able they would not be allowed to use that

[2:39:02] Voice 11: and that would

[2:39:05] Voice 10: be enforced because

[2:39:06] Voice 11: they wouldn't have an open application

[2:39:09] Voice 11: i'm not sure what your question is well

[2:39:11] Voice 9: it's the concern that my law

[2:39:13] Voice 11: enforcement would enforce on

[2:39:14] Voice 11: non-compliance yes because they would no longer have an open application if this is

[2:39:19] Voice 11: if you want to have anything i'm not sure why law enforcement would enforce why why they don't

[2:39:26] right now i have the bylaw enforcement department of our organization so it's a gathering

[2:39:31] in

[2:39:31] Voice 11: all cases where there's non-compliance

[2:39:52] Voice 11: land use that is in the bylaw, bylaw enforcement has the right to enforce the bylaw, if that's what your question is.

[2:40:02] Voice 10: Yes, and that will explain it. I'm mostly concerned about that upper area and the weird boundaries that are shown on the map.

[2:40:11] Voice 10: up. I'm wondering, you know, like, what,

[2:40:19] Voice 12: so that everyone's

[2:40:24] Voice 12: aware of when they're crossing into

[2:40:26] Voice 9: the other the other area,

[2:40:29] Voice 9: because I've heard stories that retreat is that you've had there

[2:40:33] Voice 9: have wandered to neighboring properties and don't seem to

[2:40:35] Voice 9: understand the boundaries of the property.

[2:40:38] Voice 10: So I just wanted to

[2:40:40] Voice 10: know within all these weird areas and how that being shown to the people using the property

[2:40:50] Voice 3: so i think the question was is is if you got approval if you use particularly the upper upper

[2:40:58] Voice 3: area because the you know the boundaries are in the middle of the forest uh and the rest of the

[2:41:04] Voice 3: land it's owned by the conservancy how will you ensure that the retreatants know where the

[2:41:10] Voice 3: boundaries of cms property is versus the conservancy i'm paraphrasing your question

[2:41:15] Voice 3: that's okay well

[2:41:20] Voice 11: i i think we have probably some information between both of us first i'd like to

[2:41:27] Voice 11: say that that has not been in use or i'm not sure how many seasons it's probably two seasons it's

[2:41:33] Voice 11: not been used. Yeah. There's a rope across the entrance on the

[2:41:43] Voice 11: easement road. It may not be yet, but there's going to be a

[2:41:51] Voice 11: sign coming on the trail on the

[2:41:54] Voice 11: bridge coming from this body

[2:41:55] Voice 11: seven enter on property. And it's actually an interesting

[2:42:01] Voice 11: thing from the Adherence Trust Conservancy. One of their points, if I remember correctly,

[2:42:07] Voice 11: is that we need to have survey property partner markers at the places that they designate they

[2:42:15] Voice 11: want the survey partner markers. So, you know, when the final survey is done, that will be done

[2:42:21] Voice 11: and we can do whatever we do on our property and anybody else that's in the middle of the

[2:42:26] Voice 11: so it's obvious where you are and i will comment that it's kind of interesting that you talk about

[2:42:34] Voice 11: retreat what's going on to other property the property on one side of us is is a dentistry

[2:42:41] Voice 11: of forest district lot 87 the property on the other side is lot b and before that is lot a

[2:42:48] Voice 11: which has residents there lot b and library zone but the point is is that the the folks

[2:42:57] Voice 11: The folks in Lot A and lots of folks, and actually some of the folks here are very happy to walk all through those lands, right?

[2:43:04] Voice 11: So that's not saying that retreatants don't maybe come off of Crystal Mountain and land onto Lot B, but, you know, we work with the Lot B folks and they don't mind, you know, if somebody's going for a walk.

[2:43:15] Voice 11: we actually have an untitled easement road that goes from that that portion up there which is i

[2:43:23] Voice 11: would you know is what we drive on to get there and that's probably what people walk on to get

[2:43:28] Voice 11: out to go so i don't know if that answers your question but but maybe okay let's keep it short

[2:43:36] Voice 11: because it looks good contract because

[2:43:38] Voice 3: i do have a very idea

[2:43:39] Voice 12: conservancy is very very keen on making

[2:43:45] Voice 12: it clear to the community what is their land so the islands just conservancy takes the protection

[2:43:51] Voice 12: of the 75 that they are receiving very seriously so they have said that you know with part of the

[2:44:00] Voice 12: 30 000 that we give payment to them to do is also to create um communication to all the community

[2:44:09] Voice 12: and we will be now part of the community because we will want to have access to their lands

[2:44:15] Voice 12: unless they open access to the general community and they will mark it very clearly so

[2:44:27] Voice 11: sorry i can answer her first oh okay

[2:44:30] Voice 3: so this is back to your first

[2:44:31] Voice 11: question so there's no

[2:44:32] Voice 11: bylaw provision in the subdivision and development regulations that require from the island's trust

[2:44:41] Voice 11: But that doesn't apply here because the approving officer in any subdivision has the ability

[2:44:54] Voice 11: to allow for an easement access instead of that frontage that you're allowed to waive

[2:45:00] Voice 11: department so you're telling me no but uh i can tell you i can tell you your choice

[2:45:10] Voice 11: it's just

[2:45:11] Voice 3: on this point

[2:45:12] Voice 11: also with the section 99 it's my understanding that

[2:45:15] Voice 11: there are uh alternative provisions as well because the language

[2:45:23] okay but with respect to trust regulations there's nothing that requires

[2:45:28] request. So as the applicant would

[2:45:31] Voice 11: need to get ministry

[2:45:33] Voice 11: permission to have

[2:45:34] Voice 11: a

[2:45:34] Voice 3: bridge to the suburb.

[2:45:37] Voice 3: Okay, you're gonna let Keith you want you want to talk to this

[2:45:40] Voice 3: question? Okay. Okay, quickly.

[2:45:44] Voice 11: interaction with with the survey. So there is road

[2:45:52] frontage. And then a

[2:45:57] Voice 11: portion of the access.

[2:46:05] Voice 11: The lot as a whole, as road frontage, a portion of the lot would be accessed by private easement.

[2:46:14] Voice 11: Yes,

[2:46:15] Voice 3: I think we also have.

[2:46:16] Voice 11: I'm not sure on all of the intricacies and nuances of the approval level in the Ministry of Public Schools.

[2:46:26] Voice 3: Akash, I'm going to come back. Oh, sorry, there's a gentleman who hasn't asked a question yet.

[2:46:30] Voice 3: So I'll come back to you in a second and I'll see you, Suzanne.

[2:46:32] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:46:33] Voice 11: I just have to ask with society, if the property were ever to be wished that a part may be sold, who would decide that?

[2:46:46] Voice 11: Would it be a group? Is there a constitution governing that?

[2:46:54] Yeah,

[2:46:57] Voice 12: I mean, Ellen, would you like to answer that?

[2:47:03] Voice 3: Who are we pointing to?

[2:47:23] Voice 12: Okay,

[2:47:31] Voice 3: so just for the purposes of the people that are watching, according to the question

[2:47:35] Voice 3: was how how would the how would the process go if the property is ever sold and the answer was

[2:47:41] Voice 3: it would have to be a society voting 75 to approve that etc and the the the zoning and the right the

[2:47:48] Voice 3: covenants would all flow with that property so that's just for the recording yes sir you got a

[2:47:54] Voice 10: follow-up just a brief follow-up yes and then after it's sold it could be resolved

[2:48:01] Voice 11: again to

[2:48:02] Voice 11: according to the voices of the

[2:48:04] Voice 10: purchaser

[2:48:06] Voice 11: and the conservancy of the day uh well

[2:48:10] Voice 11: no according

[2:48:11] Voice 3: according to the local trust committee and uh anything can be resolved theoretically uh anything

[2:48:19] Voice 3: could be resolved theoretically uh kasha and then i'll come to suzanne and then i'll come back here

[2:48:24] Voice 3: for a question yeah go ahead quickly please okay

[2:48:26] Voice 12: can you

[2:48:31] Voice 3: take your mask down i just can't hear you

[2:48:33] Voice 3: i'm sorry i do that i

[2:48:34] Voice 3: know i i yeah okay

[2:48:37] Voice 12: so um i just want to take the focus because we my question

[2:48:42] Voice 2: at

[2:48:42] Voice 12: the very beginning is are we zoning for land or are we going for people i would really like to

[2:48:46] Voice 12: take the focus off the good people of bristol mountain for just a minute i have a concern

[2:48:54] Voice 12: about what mr copac said when he was explaining his uh professional uh judgment in his professional

[2:49:03] Voice 12: judgment why he came up with the amount of water use that the people um i just will not want to be

[2:49:11] Voice 12: using on the property and so can i just just imagine so that we're talking about 17 little

[2:49:19] Voice 12: accommodation units three ten platforms a kitchen building dining hall central hall office workshop

[2:49:25] Voice 12: washroom and showering facility and caretakers now if it doesn't matter or if you could just

[2:49:33] Voice 12: suspend who we are using these facilities let's say it's a group of i don't know my granny and

[2:49:41] Voice 12: all her friends who want to do knitting retreat or um uh you know

[2:49:46] Voice 12: quiet bird watchers or you get

[2:49:49] Voice 12: the idea what would mr kohut have been wondering about the pig-sized water use that the group of

[2:50:01] Voice 12: grannies would be using in order to come up with this idea of how much water they would need is

[2:50:09] Voice 12: that probably wouldn't work because it seems like it does in the particular examples that you gave

[2:50:16] Voice 12: and i just don't understand it because it seemed like it should so

[2:50:21] Voice 3: what's your what's your question

[2:50:23] Voice 3: is your question that that whether or not they took into account what the activities on the land

[2:50:28] Voice 3: were going to be or the people that were going to be there and determining what the water usage

[2:50:32] Voice 3: would be and projecting with

[2:50:34] Voice 12: the water use because i

[2:50:35] Voice 3: think that was mr baird's job

[2:50:39] Voice 12: that he basically said that in his professional opinion he looked at the water use that this

[2:50:46] Voice 12: particular group of people would be using on the land and came up with a a conclusion that there

[2:50:55] Voice 12: was enough water now what i'm trying to say is that

[2:50:59] Voice 3: so what's your question i'm

[2:51:00] Voice 12: trying to get

[2:51:01] Voice 12: there if the if land use does not depend yeah that's

[2:51:05] Voice 12: why i was trying to paraphrase to get us

[2:51:07] Voice 3: to the end

[2:51:07] Voice 12: people would would we be going through the same kind of process to try to analyze how

[2:51:13] Voice 12: much water this other group would be using to come up with what you know i

[2:51:18] Voice 3: see fire smith

[2:51:20] Voice 3: white answer and then i'll maybe turn i don't know what sounds like a mr bear question not a mr

[2:51:25] Voice 3: so

[2:51:25] Voice 12: in

[2:51:28] Voice 11: terms of the land use and what's allowed in the bylaw the bylaws clearly states the following

[2:51:34] Voice 11: uses and no others are permitted contemplative spiritual or meditative education retreat uses

[2:51:40] Voice 11: so that is the

[2:51:41] Voice 11: only group of users that can be used in the landings further

[2:51:46] Voice 10: i'm not sure

[2:51:49] Voice 11: that comes home no

[2:51:50] Voice 10: i think further excuse further uh

[2:51:53] Voice 11: it says the definition of what

[2:51:56] Voice 11: spiritual education retreat describes what it can be used and it says uh but does not include

[2:52:03] Voice 11: offer provide any form of commercial short-term or temporary accommodation for the traveling public

[2:52:08] Voice 1: or any restaurant or any other forms

[2:52:10] Voice 11: of food service so i think it's

[2:52:13] Voice 11: reasonable to conclude

[2:52:14] Voice 11: that the user group that uh mr barrett and mr kohut are targeting are meditative retreat users

[2:52:21] Voice 11: as per how the bylaw is uh written yes

[2:52:26] Voice 12: what my question is is that if we're zoning land

[2:52:31] Voice 12: I think in the future, it should not matter which particular group of people are using

[2:52:36] Voice 12: the land.

[2:52:37] Voice 3: Well, if I could, Akash, if we were rezoning for someone who wanted to build 15 spas up

[2:52:45] Voice 3: there, we probably would have a much different consideration as to what the water use would

[2:52:51] Voice 3: be because they

[2:52:52] Voice 12: were going to

[2:52:52] Voice 3: all have spas and the water is going to be used all the

[2:52:55] Voice 3: time.

[2:52:55] Voice 3: So it does matter what the use is going to be.

[2:52:58] Voice 12: and that's probably why not

[2:52:59] Voice 3: the users the use okay

[2:53:01] Voice 12: but that's probably why the bc government

[2:53:07] Voice 12: okay

[2:53:07] Voice 3: so let's i'm going to know i'm going to stop you because you've asked your question

[2:53:11] Voice 3: i'm going to get mr bearer mr so like to ask it and uh i don't need

[2:53:21] Voice 11: I want to take you back to 2015, when I was in the future, and they asked me to evaluate

[2:53:29] Voice 11: groundwater potential on this project, how much water was available, and I said, well,

[2:53:35] Voice 11: what are you going to use the water for, and they said it was a retreat center, and I said,

[2:53:40] Voice 11: well, we need to understand how much water the retreat center was used, and

[2:53:48] Voice 11: I actually did some calculations in the discussion with Crystal Mound, I met with them, and they said, well, there's some camping sites, camp sites, you've got a kitchen, you could do laundry facilities, and that's all based on my 2015 report.

[2:54:07] Voice 11: And the question then is, I estimated the demand for the 50 grannies, whoever, whatever the purpose was, and we came up with a number.

[2:54:19] Voice 11: And then the question is, well, is this well going to be able to meet that demand?

[2:54:26] Voice 11: And we tested the well to see if that would meet that demand.

[2:54:32] The test was,

[2:54:33] Voice 11: the conclusion was that it would meet that demand.

[2:54:36] Voice 11: Now since 2015, the concept of this retreat center has evolved a bit.

[2:54:42] Voice 10: The

[2:54:43] Voice 11: number of people changes, it's gone up, it's gone down.

[2:54:48] Voice 11: anyway it's evolved and the fingers now are different than 2015 but the well yield doesn't

[2:54:56] Voice 11: change well you know it's still 0.7 reels gallons per minute and my understanding of today when it's

[2:55:03] Voice 11: being proposed in terms of use is still that well is still after for what they're proposing

[2:55:17] Voice 12: was the water use, it did not include showering, toilets,

[2:55:23] Voice 12: the kitchen.

[2:55:26] Voice 10: Excuse

[2:55:26] Voice 11: me, the water use did.

[2:55:28] Voice 11: What I said

[2:55:29] Voice 11: was that last year when we were monitoring,

[2:55:32] Voice 11: well this August when we were monitoring the use,

[2:55:35] Voice 11: I showed a slide of how much water they were pumping,

[2:55:38] Voice 11: which was 150 to 175 gallons per day.

[2:55:43] Voice 11: Now the actual amount, they were pumping into a storage tank.

[2:55:46] Voice 11: Now the actual amount that the people were using was probably less than that.

[2:55:53] Voice 11: We don't have that, we weren't monitoring the storage tank.

[2:55:57] Voice 11: So the storage tank was going up and down and was probably filling at this pumpy rate.

[2:56:03] Voice 5: But they don't have toilets.

[2:56:05] Voice 11: Well, that's right.

[2:56:07] Voice 11: So those are the figures I showed you.

[2:56:10] Voice 11: This summer, they weren't using toilets.

[2:56:12] Voice 11: it but they weren't using that 200 that was water that was going to be used by them

[2:56:23] Voice 11: no

[2:56:24] Voice 3: i'm actually i think you've had a good run at this question and i think we can

[2:56:28] Voice 3: sort of leave it i want to get one more question in before we move on uh i'm sorry i have a fairy

[2:56:34] Voice 3: to catch i'm not going to have a whole bunch of hands

[2:56:37] Voice 3: go ahead don't go ahead and go ahead

[2:56:39] Voice 3: My

[2:56:40] Voice 12: question is for James, because I would like to know if you're reluctant, James, if we will continue to ask the bylaw enforcement.

[2:56:53] Voice 12: I would also like to know, after the neighbor consultation process, why you disregarded 174 people on the petition and 51 immediate neighbors to serve in the free water supply.

[2:57:08] Voice 12: I know you've worked very closely with Crystal Mountain, but why do they matter to you more than other residents?

[2:57:22] Voice 12: Crystal Mountain applicants don't matter to me more than other residents.

[2:57:27] Voice 12: What I'm weighing is all of the information. I haven't made a decision.

[2:57:32] Voice 12: We haven't gone to a public hearing. I look at all the information.

[2:57:37] Voice 12: I look at the letters, I look at the reports, I look at the briefs, I look at everything.

[2:57:50] Voice 12: And I'm constantly reading and watching that material.

[2:57:54] Voice 12: Regarding bylaw enforcement, if I were elected, it's not up to one single trustee what happens with bylaw enforcement.

[2:58:02] Voice 12: I mean, we actually have an arm's length from bylaw enforcement.

[2:58:08] Voice 12: But you recall the bylaw enforcement was suspended because of the old application.

[2:58:13] Voice 12: Do you want to hear it? No.

[2:58:17] Voice 12: Well, yeah, I mean, what we have, we have a standing resolution regarding bylaw enforcement that at the time that we brought in that standing resolution,

[2:58:27] Voice 12: resolution we were trying to determine whether it applied retroactively and the advice that we got

[2:58:34] Voice 12: was that that would be very difficult and challengeable so that standing resolution is

[2:58:40] Voice 12: you know when when there is a new applicant there is by law enforcement and then those things apply

[2:58:46] Voice 12: but this has

[2:58:48] Voice 12: been I mean this has been a long time application predating our LTC you know a number of

[2:58:55] Voice 12: people have been grappling with this for a long time yeah

[2:58:58] Voice 3: i'm gonna allow one more question okay

[2:59:01] Voice 3: well uh middle-aged mr ron will you ask a quick question a very quick question specific specific

[2:59:11] Voice 11: i did have a number of pc meetings

[2:59:36] Voice 3: We're not going to have an argument.

[2:59:37] Voice 3: You've asked a question, and if you want

[2:59:40] Voice 10: to ask, let him ask a question.

[2:59:41] Voice 3: What

[2:59:42] Voice 10: was the purpose of getting legal advice on whether the LTC could actually purchase the property of the agency if the decision was made?

[3:00:00] this kind of facility

[3:00:01] Voice 11: section as i've stated before i didn't make that decision that's a

[3:00:07] Voice 11: decision of the local trust committee the elected officials choose how the bylaws craft it i'm sorry

[3:00:13] Voice 11: what is your recommendation it

[3:00:15] Voice 11: was not my recommendation sure my there's no recommendation

[3:00:18] in any staff report that says i recommend that you put this under community facilities

[3:00:23] Voice 11: what they've asked me to do is to give my opinion of whether it is appropriate there in the staff report, that is what I state, and there's a number of reasons why I state it is appropriate there.

[3:00:36] Voice 11: There's never been a

[3:00:37] Voice 11: recommendation that I'm placing there. In fact, when

[3:00:40] Voice 3: I came into this role,

[3:00:46] Voice 11: it was already under community facilities.

[3:00:48] Voice 11: So some other trust committee of the day had already decided that that is where the appropriate place was for.

[3:00:54] Voice 11: All I did was describe that in my view it is appropriate there.

[3:00:58] Voice 11: There are also reasons why it could be in a commercial facility.

[3:01:02] Voice 11: I would not argue that.

[3:01:03] Voice 11: And so it could certainly be placed there, and you could probably come up with appropriate reasons why it was placed there as well.

[3:01:10] Voice 11: Why did you get a legal opinion about that?

[3:01:14] Voice 11: Because

[3:01:14] Voice 3: we asked him to.

[3:01:19] Voice 11: because we asked

[3:01:20] Voice 11: him to specifically because we

[3:01:23] Voice 3: asked him to we

[3:01:24] Voice 11: wanted to know whether

[3:01:25] Voice 3: because we wanted to know whether that was we wanted to know whether that was a restriction

[3:01:31] Voice 3: we could put in the bylaw end of story

[3:01:33] Voice 10: what was the purpose so

[3:01:37] Voice 3: we could have the answer

[3:01:38] Voice 3: so we knew whether it could go in the bylaw or not it's not rock i'm sorry

[3:01:46] Voice 3: um i'm actually i think this is a good moment to probably stop because it's getting a little bit

[3:01:53] Voice 3: is it really a

[3:01:54] Voice 3: crucial burning question that i can because i don't want to miss my fair

[3:01:59] Voice 4: yeah

[3:01:59] Voice 3: but i but is it a is it a really is it going to elicit some information we don't already have

[3:02:05] Voice 3: no

[3:02:14] Voice 9: oh

[3:02:16] Voice 3: no please sorry what's

[3:02:22] Voice 3: sorry i need so i we can't get a recording i can't have this there's a lot of background

[3:02:34] Voice 12: we

[3:02:35] Voice 3: always have that option we have the option to do whatever we want to do with an application we

[3:02:39] Voice 3: can decide to proceed no further we can decide to take it to third reading we can decide i shouldn't

[3:02:45] Voice 3: say week because i'm not going to be here we can the local trust committee can decide to go to

[3:02:49] Voice 3: public hearing and the local trust committee will decide the course of this going forward

[3:02:54] Voice 3: We have already taken that step at least twice this term where we've agreed, we've decided not to take a particular application.

[3:03:08] Voice 3: So, let's hold on. Just give me a little space.

[3:03:12] Voice 3: Okay, I asked for a little consideration I try and give you a little consideration I got asked a process question. It's something that we can do. Yes, the answer is yes.

[3:03:22] Voice 3: Yes. So thank you very much. Thank you to all the presenters and thank you for all the questions.

[3:03:29] Voice 3: I think my only regret about not running again is I'm not going to be here for the public hearing on this because that would be so much fun.

[3:03:37] Voice 3: Maybe I can get contracted to come back and do that. I

[3:03:40] Voice 3: will come back and maybe I'll ask some questions.

[3:03:43] Voice 3: Thank you very much. This this matter will be recorded. Just wait a minute, please, so that we can we can get the recording finished.

[3:03:50] Voice 3: Thank you for those online.

[3:03:52] Voice 3: I'm sorry there weren't, I presume there's people watching.

[3:03:55] Voice 3: Thank you to the recorder.

[3:03:57] Voice 3: Thank you to the office.

[3:03:59] Voice 3: We didn't actually utilize the back and forth,

[3:04:02] Voice 3: but we, because there was only one attendee,

[3:04:05] Voice 3: actually, as it turned out.

[3:04:07] Voice 3: And we will see you on Tuesday, an unusual day.

[3:04:13] Voice 3: The LTC is having a meeting.

[3:04:15] Voice 3: I don't think this is on the agenda.

[3:04:17] Voice 3: I haven't looked at the agenda.

[3:04:18] Voice 3: i don't think it is um unless someone puts it there uh and uh we'll see you on tuesday for

[3:04:24] Voice 3: the continuation of uh other matters at the local trust committee thank you all for attending enjoy

[3:04:29] Voice 3: a beautiful afternoon and those of you that are catching the ferry i'll see you there