Mayne Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 26, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee Rogers: um just to take my glasses off good afternoon everyone uh this is the um september 26th wow

[0:00:07] Trustee Rogers: i can't believe i said that um regular meeting of the main island local trust committee and

[0:00:14] Trustee Rogers: uh welcome uh to to our regular meeting um i i want to start by i always struck as i come across

[0:00:26] Trustee Rogers: because I don't I don't live in the southern Gulf Islands but what a

[0:00:29] Trustee Rogers: fantastic place that

[0:00:30] Trustee Rogers: we live in the Salish Sea and the southern Gulf Islands and uh this uh the traditional

[0:00:36] Trustee Rogers: territory of the Coast Salish I think all sometimes as I'm coming across the uh the

[0:00:41] Trustee Rogers: straight the of people paddling and the connections between Tawasin and Richmond and all those

[0:00:47] Trustee Rogers: areas over there where anyway it's beautiful I want to acknowledge that we're very privileged

[0:00:51] Trustee Rogers: to be able to meet and live and work and play

[0:00:55] Trustee Rogers: in traditional territory,

[0:00:56] Trustee Rogers: in particular, of course, this is the territory

[0:00:58] Trustee Rogers: of the Sarasota First Nation.

[0:01:02] Trustee Rogers: And it's a good week to keep in mind that history

[0:01:06] Trustee Rogers: as we head towards Truth and Reconciliation Day on,

[0:01:10] Trustee Rogers: it's Friday, I believe, isn't it?

[0:01:12] Trustee Rogers: Although I think I've seen some stuff

[0:01:14] Trustee Rogers: and I guess I don't, I may not as up as I should be

[0:01:17] Trustee Rogers: at this summer calling this Truth and Reconciliation Week.

[0:01:20] Trustee Rogers: so i think um and i think that's appropriate and so it's always good to keep in mind that history

[0:01:26] Trustee Rogers: as we continue to find out some of the history of this for this area very interesting history

[0:01:33] Trustee Rogers: my name is dan rogers and i am the chair of the main island local uh trust committee uh had the

[0:01:41] Trustee Rogers: privilege of being the chair for almost four years now i recognize many of the faces although not all

[0:01:47] Trustee Rogers: all here today. It's good to be here again in person. We had a couple of years of virtual

[0:01:53] Trustee Rogers: meetings. I was talking to someone who said, I recognize you from TV. I never thought that I

[0:02:01] Trustee Rogers: would become well known because of our Zoom meetings. This meeting, my connection to the

[0:02:10] Trustee Rogers: The Allens Trust is from Alcotsam House Sound, as I live on most of the time on Keats Island

[0:02:16] Trustee Rogers: and some of the time in Vancouver.

[0:02:21] Trustee Rogers: I'll just introduce the people you're going to see today.

[0:02:24] Trustee Rogers: Of course, your local trustees, Trustee Janine Dodds and Trustee David Maude are with me.

[0:02:31] Trustee Rogers: Between us, we make up the local trust committee.

[0:02:33] Trustee Rogers: me we you'll hear us talk about various issues that are on our agenda and and we may have some

[0:02:40] Trustee Rogers: decision points today and we discuss those and decide those one of the things I think often is

[0:02:46] Trustee Rogers: not well understood by people in the communities is that we actually don't talk about the issues

[0:02:53] Trustee Rogers: that are on our agenda between meetings generally speaking we might talk about some process issues

[0:02:58] Trustee Rogers: but generally if you hear us in our conversations as we go along today sound like we might be

[0:03:05] Trustee Rogers: surprised by the position that someone else has or the information that's has because we haven't

[0:03:09] Trustee Rogers: talked about it beforehand and that's because any two of us make a quorum and our rules of the

[0:03:15] Trustee Rogers: local government act are that if you have a quorum you have to have a public meeting if you're going

[0:03:20] Trustee Rogers: to be talking about an issue so anyway that's just one of the peculiarities of the of the islands

[0:03:27] Trustee Rogers: trust uh to my to the the far end of the table to your left and my right is uh planner university

[0:03:34] Trustee Rogers: chadwick you'll hear us talking nurse universe has a couple of reports and of course you know

[0:03:39] Trustee Rogers: pat everybody knows pat he's our reporter um has been you'll see the three of us this meeting as

[0:03:46] Trustee Rogers: you saw me set up is being recorded um on this camera uh and as also um and the speaker for the

[0:03:55] Trustee Rogers: for the camera for the setup is is in the camera itself it won't be that big an issue in this

[0:04:03] Trustee Rogers: this hall um but it is it's a good it's a good uh speaker and a microphone however it uh it does um

[0:04:13] Trustee Rogers: uh if there's any background noise it does pick that up and could be problematic

[0:04:18] Trustee Rogers: so that but it is in there and it's also being live spring stream as we speak so there may be

[0:04:25] Trustee Rogers: people watching us um as we as we are and it's being recorded uh and the recording will be up

[0:04:31] Trustee Rogers: on our website in a few days probably by the middle or the end but certainly by the end of

[0:04:37] Trustee Rogers: the week and you can go back and watch part what parts you want that's one of the developments

[0:04:41] Trustee Rogers: that's occurred um with the trust over the last well basically since the pandemic although we were

[0:04:48] Trustee Rogers: heading in that direction anyway but it sort of made us so that's my introduction um we do i will

[0:04:55] Trustee Rogers: have a couple things to say uh before we get to the talk so i'll just say it right now because

[0:05:00] Trustee Rogers: the town hall's the first thing on the

[0:05:02] Trustee Rogers: agenda anyway is um we will have a town hall and we have

[0:05:06] Trustee Rogers: to speak uh so that's the opportunity to speak to the to the local trust committee about an issue

[0:05:12] Trustee Rogers: that's on our agenda something you think should be on our agenda or something that um uh is within

[0:05:17] Trustee Rogers: the realm of the work that we do and we look forward to hearing your comments regarding that

[0:05:22] Trustee Rogers: I would ask you, as I've always asked you, and I found me and Alan particularly willing to do this and open to this, is that we have sort of three basic rules of speaking in public.

[0:05:35] Trustee Rogers: This is a workplace for everybody here, and it also should be a safe place for everybody that's in the community hall.

[0:05:41] Trustee Rogers: So we ask you to speak to the local trust committee.

[0:05:45] Trustee Rogers: It's us that make the decisions.

[0:05:47] Trustee Rogers: And if there's a question that's appropriate to turn to a planner or staff person, we'll ask the planner to respond.

[0:05:55] Trustee Rogers: It's not an opportunity for you to engage in debate with each other.

[0:05:59] Trustee Rogers: There's lots of opportunities for that on the island.

[0:06:02] Trustee Rogers: The second thing I ask you to do is to speak to issues and not people.

[0:06:07] Trustee Rogers: It's important that that's the way conversations can go down the toilet quickly is that people start to talk about other people and characterize other people.

[0:06:18] Trustee Rogers: So talk about the issues that are on our agenda and are in our package.

[0:06:22] Trustee Rogers: And the third thing we ask, of course, is that you speak appropriately, appropriate language, appropriate commentary.

[0:06:31] Trustee Rogers: I've often I've said a number of times speak in a way that your grandmother would be proud of you.

[0:06:35] Trustee Rogers: and then someone said you don't know my grandmother and uh in any case you get the

[0:06:41] Trustee Rogers: drift uh that as long as you're you know polite and and uh appropriately and everything will go

[0:06:48] Trustee Rogers: fine um and as i said that my experience has been uniformly the main island the happy island is

[0:06:54] Trustee Rogers: trusty mod always reminds me and it has always supported with those uh general rules um okay

[0:07:03] Trustee Rogers: Okay, with that, I'll turn to the agenda.

[0:07:05] Trustee Rogers: And the first question is,

[0:07:06] Trustee Rogers: do either of the trustees have anything you want to add

[0:07:08] Trustee Rogers: or, yes, go ahead.

[0:07:10] Trustee Rogers: I

[0:07:10] Voice 13: would just add on under new business 13.2,

[0:07:14] Voice 13: uses on the foreshore, just a general discussion.

[0:07:18] Voice 13: And 13.3, arranging a meeting

[0:07:21] Voice 13: with our by-law officers, CRD and Islands Trust.

[0:07:25] Voice 13: Okay,

[0:07:25] Trustee Rogers: so I'm going to put by 13.3 by-law officer.

[0:07:28] Trustee Rogers: You need

[0:07:29] Trustee Rogers: meetings with both CRD and Islands Trust.

[0:07:31] Trustee Rogers: And the other one was uses.

[0:07:32] Trustee Rogers: uses uses on the question for sure question okay uh that's fine with me that are if you trust him

[0:07:40] Trustee Rogers: on anything uh either either of you want to rearrange it to deal with okay so then uh with

[0:07:47] Trustee Rogers: that amendment we'll take the agenda approved as amended and we'll now turn to uh still some

[0:07:53] Trustee Rogers: we're we're uh actually in some forms we're now calling this community comment period but um uh

[0:08:01] Trustee Rogers: uh it's still called the talent hall in question so and this is your opportunity to speak to us

[0:08:05] Trustee Rogers: and so I turn to you and ask is there someone who wishes to speak the

[0:08:10] Voice 2: town hall I'll just remind you

[0:08:11] Trustee Rogers: if you're an applicant on the agenda I think we only really have the one application which is the

[0:08:16] Trustee Rogers: housing society you'll have an opportunity to address the staff report when we get to that

[0:08:21] Trustee Rogers: issue so anybody else wish to speak to the uh to the local trustee

[0:08:26] Voice 15: yes

[0:08:27] Trustee Rogers: please go ahead and go ahead

[0:08:29] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[0:08:30] Voice 5: you. I've spoken to you too many times. So my wife and I own a hedgerow farm on the island, and we have for quite a while.

[0:08:39] Voice 5: Like all the farmers on the island, we are suffering from the lack of being able to get people to work on the farm.

[0:08:44] Voice 5: All the big farm owners are finding it. To dig a little deeper into that, of course, is because they can't find long-term, secure, affordable rental housing.

[0:08:52] Voice 5: And I think that the Trust has been working on this for a long time. I don't think anyone would debate anymore that there's a need for affordable rental housing in the community.

[0:09:00] Voice 5: But what I wanted to say was that I was at BC Housing in the 1990s.

[0:09:05] Voice 5: One of the best jobs I've ever had.

[0:09:07] Voice 5: I was the CEO of the agency before I left there to work at a better job.

[0:09:11] Voice 8: But

[0:09:11] Voice 5: in the 1990s, we had a housing crisis similar to what's going on right now around the province.

[0:09:17] Voice 5: I was talking to representatives who went to the UBCM last week.

[0:09:20] Voice 5: And it's a crisis everywhere in the province right now.

[0:09:22] Voice 5: Just trying to get affordable, long-term, secure housing.

[0:09:25] Voice 5: housing so when i was at bc housing during that period of time we built thousands and thousands

[0:09:32] Voice 5: of units around the province and communities big and small they could range from up to 50 units

[0:09:37] Voice 5: down to 10 or 15 if it was a smaller community and it was a it was a fun time because these were

[0:09:43] Voice 5: opportunities to house create housing for people in those communities that were living there

[0:09:47] Voice 5: seniors low-income families people with disabilities and we did a pretty good job but i

[0:09:52] Voice 5: But I can honestly say that during that time, pretty well every housing development that

[0:09:57] Voice 5: went into a community faced some initial concerns from local residents, and they were valid

[0:10:01] Voice 5: concerns.

[0:10:02] Voice 5: People would raise issues around things such as, would this depress my property value over

[0:10:08] Voice 5: time?

[0:10:09] Voice 5: Would there be issues with who's being housed there?

[0:10:11] Voice 5: Would there be issues with the design and maintenance of the building?

[0:10:14] Voice 5: And we had to spend a lot of time on that.

[0:10:17] Voice 5: It's a very difficult conversation to have in communities, because those are really strong

[0:10:20] Voice 5: fears that people bring when housing development is built. Now I can say with great expertise on

[0:10:27] Voice 5: this because we studied this extensively that a year or two later after the housing was built

[0:10:33] Voice 5: and we had to work really diligently to try to address those concerns as they went into the

[0:10:37] Voice 5: community particularly on site you would find that all of those concerns had basically dissipated

[0:10:43] Voice 5: they'd gone away. Studies would show that over time the value of property in the neighborhoods

[0:10:48] Voice 5: which did not go down and that you would see investments into this housing because you get

[0:10:53] Voice 5: money into the housing community into the community it comes from other levels of government so it's

[0:10:58] Voice 5: an investment into the community in terms of maintenance for the housing and staff that are

[0:11:03] Voice 5: that are working at the housing development so it was a real community asset and you would see that

[0:11:08] Voice 5: over time this became a way because particularly in the future people would see there's my

[0:11:13] Voice 5: grandmother in there or there's a family on the island or there's you know somebody that's

[0:11:17] Voice 5: suffering more real difficulty in trying to find something that was appropriate so i really wanted

[0:11:22] Voice 5: just to address this because i know there'll be people in the room for example that are concerned

[0:11:25] Voice 5: there is nothing that cannot be dealt with through the judicious application of the design to meet

[0:11:32] Voice 5: the standards that people want and address things such as siting vegetation water everything else

[0:11:37] Voice 5: and secondly that the property values don't go down and it just becomes a community asset and

[0:11:43] Voice 5: couple of years later when you see somebody you know in that housing development they may begin

[0:11:47] Voice 5: to say okay now i get it so i i only wanted to say that i haven't spoken to the housing at this

[0:11:52] Voice 5: point in time but this summer's been particularly difficult for us on the farm trying to find people

[0:11:58] Voice 5: who work on it and every time we create dedicated long-term affordable rental housing we can find

[0:12:04] Voice 5: other rental housing stock in the community that's freed up when those people go into it

[0:12:07] Voice 5: and it helps us all thank you very much for the next sure

[0:12:12] Trustee Rogers: the court just would like your name

[0:12:19] Trustee Rogers: thank you mr others who else would like to speak to the local trust me yes mr mackie go ahead

[0:12:27] Trustee Rogers: i

[0:12:28] Voice 3: just want to build on those comments um the housing agreement that you have before you're

[0:12:34] Voice 3: you're considering the first second and third reading on the wording in it basically means

[0:12:40] Voice 3: that it's affordable for anybody in the one bedroom who burns between sixty thousand and seventy

[0:12:46] Voice 3: seven thousand dollars a year if you're in a two bedroom it's affordable if you earn between eighty

[0:12:52] Voice 3: five thousand dollars and one hundred and twenty two thousand dollars i have a farm on this island

[0:12:58] Voice 3: as well i'm not going to pay those kinds of wages that person's not going to have any opening in

[0:13:04] Voice 3: this and i think what we're looking for is a community amenity that is going to help local

[0:13:11] Voice 3: businesses not just those businesses that can afford to pay a 60 to 70 000 wage and that's

[0:13:20] Voice 3: that's my concern on is this actually a community amenity and is this something the community should

[0:13:26] Voice 3: reinvesting it i have other personal concerns because i'm a neighbor and i'm trying to keep

[0:13:32] Voice 3: those two discussions separate but they can't be separated really and my concerns as a neighbor

[0:13:39] Voice 3: um run into the same sorts of things sorry i'm speaking directly to a person in the crowd um

[0:13:46] Voice 3: are related directly to things you're talking about the fear of the property values the fear

[0:13:50] Voice 3: of downstream flooding the fear of the the trees being cut down over time the lack of protection

[0:13:59] Voice 3: on our boundary with our farm zero buffers so our farm operations are going to be affected by

[0:14:07] Voice 3: the housing and I'm still not getting the kind of assurance I need to know that I can continue

[0:14:13] Voice 3: to do business and do it in the way that I'm doing it so so it's a bit it's a bit tricky for

[0:14:19] Voice 3: me to speak personally on what I need and to speak as a community member on what the community needs

[0:14:26] Voice 3: but I think my interests are actually in line with the broader community we've got a renter

[0:14:34] Voice 3: household community across the southern gulf islands that's earning a median income of about

[0:14:39] Voice 3: thirty eight thousand dollars fifty percent of the people who are renter households are earning

[0:14:44] Voice 3: less than that 80 to 90 percent of the renter household population is going to be shut out of

[0:14:52] Voice 3: this development and i don't think that's a worthwhile investment for the local government to

[0:14:57] Voice 3: to do it's it's a i think it's not the best use of resources time and money and the the consultant

[0:15:06] Voice 3: that's working with the housing development they've produced a report that says this kind

[0:15:12] Voice 3: of housing is the most expensive way to meet the core housing need on the southern gulf islands

[0:15:19] Voice 3: so i don't know why we're having this this debate we should be doing things that are much more in

[0:15:24] Voice 3: line with what uh what what we've been talking about all along and are supported by the

[0:15:30] Voice 3: consultant that's working for the housing society which is working with local people getting some

[0:15:36] Voice 3: of those um cottages that aren't being used used start doing some some rough and ready development

[0:15:43] Voice 3: to make places rental ready and build those smaller units that are more feasible on the

[0:15:50] Voice 3: gulf islands i think we can reach the renter household community that way so so that's

[0:15:56] Voice 3: that's kind of my two cents worth as a farmer on the other side of this room for you

[0:16:02] Voice 3: that's how it works and

[0:16:03] Trustee Rogers: again i i ask you we're not here if you want to go have a conversation

[0:16:07] Trustee Rogers: with mr robertson but a conversation with mr robertson please speak to us

[0:16:11] Trustee Rogers: that's okay uh we'll let it go yes go ahead sir sure

[0:16:14] Voice 4: so my name is nico preston building

[0:16:16] Voice 4: on the comments of the previous two speakers i'm the farm on the other side of this property um

[0:16:22] Voice 4: and i think my concerns in line with my other neighbors have been the same since the beginning

[0:16:27] Voice 4: and it has nothing to do with a portable house.

[0:16:29] Voice 4: Our concern is this site.

[0:16:30] Voice 4: This site is inappropriate and is left to look at all.

[0:16:34] Voice 4: You're planning and debating putting 30 times the density

[0:16:37] Voice 4: beside us in an area with a history of water insecurity.

[0:16:41] Voice 4: From having owned the property next door

[0:16:44] Voice 4: and witnessed last winter,

[0:16:45] Voice 4: my colleague shared video footage of almost a foot of water

[0:16:48] Voice 4: running over the proposed housing site.

[0:16:50] Voice 4: There's no type of solvable solution,

[0:16:54] Voice 4: solution, you know, setting aside water as we heard earlier, that would address that flow. The only amenities I can see as far as this property is concerned, and it's been a shifting range of targets, which is why I think this ended up back before the community, would be water insecurity for the downstream neighbors. We've had water supply issues, we're now putting all this extra demand on. It's property insecurity with runoff and surface flow over the site, the wetland there is currently serving a role

[0:17:24] Voice 4: to mitigate the flood waters that come down mount park um by removing that when we asked

[0:17:30] Voice 4: and pointed out it was a weapon we were told a few meetings ago well it's not a good way

[0:17:34] Voice 4: by the applicants and we're going

[0:17:36] Voice 4: to make it better and we've heard that kind of language

[0:17:38] Voice 4: in the florida everglades and other places just because this land is free to them does not mean

[0:17:43] Voice 4: it should be used for this project it is not suitable for this degree of housing that area

[0:17:48] Voice 4: was previously protected by a covenant due to its vulnerability to these type of activities

[0:17:52] Voice 4: and the farmer on the other side who spoke previously, Tim,

[0:17:55] Voice 4: we saw what happened to their property

[0:17:57] Voice 4: when they removed the forest cover.

[0:17:59] Voice 4: Currently the proposal includes removing forest cover,

[0:18:02] Voice 4: replacing the constructed soils

[0:18:03] Voice 4: and essentially creating a large septic field

[0:18:05] Voice 4: and greenwashing that as conservation.

[0:18:08] Voice 4: If I was a donor to the society,

[0:18:10] Voice 4: I'd be concerned at this point about good money after that.

[0:18:13] Voice 4: I'm surprised as is Tim

[0:18:14] Voice 4: that we're still having this conversation

[0:18:15] Voice 4: after seeing the footage of the outflows last winter

[0:18:18] Voice 4: and simply just feel that this is not the right site

[0:18:22] Voice 4: for this project like tim and like the previous speaker i see a need for housing on this island

[0:18:27] Voice 4: this is not the place to build it we're far more interested and excited than the proposals put

[0:18:31] Voice 4: forward by the island trust such as the flexible housing which distribute the footprint of housing

[0:18:35] Voice 4: on this island and actually meet our affordable housing goals as a neighbor i don't need the

[0:18:41] Voice 4: income requirements to live in this affordable housing as in i don't earn enough to live in

[0:18:46] Voice 4: affordable housing next door so i really question the numbers that are being quoted here at the

[0:18:50] Voice 4: table and uh we've been told before that it's for for our servers and that creates this kind

[0:18:56] Voice 4: of attitude of servitude in terms of housing we need to create community here we need to build

[0:19:00] Voice 4: places to care for our elderly and for people here who are working in professions that do not meet

[0:19:05] Voice 4: uh some of these numbers of the property values in this unit thank you yes

[0:19:11] Voice 6: sir i'm glenn mcleod

[0:19:14] Voice 6: I also live on Maple Drive, 392 Maple Drive, with respect to another speaker, I also have

[0:19:22] Voice 6: some experience in the value of real estate.

[0:19:25] Voice 6: I've been a realtor on that for 33 years.

[0:19:29] Voice 6: I can say with some confidence that the properties on Maple Drive that will be adjacent to this

[0:19:35] Voice 6: project and downhill, in my estimation, will be worth less than they were when they were

[0:19:42] Voice 6: adjacent to a forest.

[0:19:44] Voice 6: it's just a no-brainer as far as my professional opinion goes

[0:19:49] Voice 6: my main concern aside from the impact on my neighbors in respect to their quiet enjoyment

[0:19:57] Voice 6: of their property is water both on the surface and beneath the surface and the effect that this

[0:20:06] Voice 6: this project will have on that supply of water.

[0:20:09] Voice 6: There is new video footage posted on the internet

[0:20:14] Voice 6: yesterday showing the torrent of water

[0:20:16] Voice 6: that came down that property last winter.

[0:20:19] Voice 6: We have yet to post footage showing the effect of that water

[0:20:24] Voice 6: on the other side of Maple Drive.

[0:20:26] Voice 6: Stay tuned, it's pretty dramatic.

[0:20:29] Voice 6: I haven't heard anybody address that flow.

[0:20:32] Voice 6: Perhaps people didn't get in there

[0:20:34] Voice 6: to see that torrent of water.

[0:20:35] Voice 6: The little that I've heard is, well, we're just not sure who's going to be responsible

[0:20:42] Voice 6: for any damage that might occur from that abundant supply of surface water.

[0:20:50] Voice 6: Beneath the surface is also a concern of mine.

[0:20:54] Voice 6: We've lived on Maple Drive for a couple of decades now, long enough to see the way that

[0:21:00] Voice 6: water moves on these acreages up behind us. It comes down off of Mott Park and streams,

[0:21:06] Voice 6: is directed through culverts, comes onto the onto the acreage and spreads out. It focuses in

[0:21:14] Voice 6: certain areas and we'll see one of those areas in the footage online, but eventually it finds

[0:21:22] Voice 6: its way to the bottom of those 10 acre parcels and spreads out and largely sinks into the ground,

[0:21:29] Voice 6: stuff that doesn't sink into the ground gathers up spills out onto maple drive it goes down onto

[0:21:35] Voice 6: onto the waterfront properties with some profound effects as you will see

[0:21:43] Voice 6: onto this property it's going to go are going to hold considerable infrastructure

[0:21:48] Voice 6: structure. 10 houses, driveways, a septic system big enough to serve those 10 places.

[0:21:57] Voice 6: All of that smack down in the middle of our water supply. All of Maple Drive is served

[0:22:05] Voice 6: by drilled wells. And it's pretty safe, I think, to presume that those wells are fed

[0:22:11] Voice 6: fed by the aquifer that receives water from that wetland.

[0:22:16] Voice 6: So, we all have pretty good water, I think,

[0:22:21] Voice 6: and we're very concerned with what's gonna happen

[0:22:24] Voice 6: to the quality and the quantity as more users come online

[0:22:29] Voice 6: and more of their waste and flows into the ground.

[0:22:37] Voice 6: I think that covers my concern,

[0:22:41] Voice 6: some of the more important ones.

[0:22:47] Voice 6: well

[0:22:47] Trustee Rogers: can i just say one thing um it's more helpful for our local trust committee to get

[0:22:54] Trustee Rogers: if there's something you want to present like video footage to not have it come a year after

[0:22:59] Trustee Rogers: the event or 10 months after the event and if you've got more uh it came last night to me

[0:23:06] Trustee Rogers: and i'm going why is this coming now so it's 10 months since the event occurred so i'm just

[0:23:12] Trustee Rogers: saying it's more helpful for us that things come in a timely fashion as we work our way through the

[0:23:17] Trustee Rogers: process so thank you for your commentary over yes your name is uh

[0:23:22] Voice 1: please look out thank you

[0:23:23] Trustee Rogers: i

[0:23:23] Voice 1: live in 392 maple drive and um i have a question to the trustee uh it's okay if you don't have an

[0:23:32] Voice 1: answer right now i don't demand an answer but i have this question for the allen trustee and i

[0:23:39] Voice 1: I wrote it down on my cell phone, so I would not take extra time.

[0:23:44] Voice 1: What would the island trustee suggest to the property owners

[0:23:49] Voice 1: for securing financial compensation if their well is contaminated

[0:23:57] Voice 1: or property is damaged by erosion resulting from this project?

[0:24:08] Voice 1: project what we course do we have as downstream owners I tried to read it slowly so same pin

[0:24:20] Voice 1: um and so I had submitted I'm the one who took the video uh and I had submitted to Island Trust

[0:24:30] Voice 1: us and I'll also send it to the planner or forward it on the planner on a stick. So that was not just

[0:24:40] Voice 1: came out just yesterday. I

[0:24:42] Trustee Rogers: see. I'm sorry. I apologize.

[0:24:43] Voice 1: I only got it

[0:24:44] Trustee Rogers: last night. No, that's

[0:24:46] Voice 1: okay. Thank you.

[0:24:54] Trustee Rogers: That's a lawyer.

[0:24:56] Voice 15: Well, no, I'm not a lawyer.

[0:24:58] Trustee Rogers: And this is not a forum to give any

[0:25:00] Trustee Maude: know but

[0:25:01] Trustee Maude: i i just i i think that really falls far outside our scope um it is and

[0:25:09] Voice 13: i guess what

[0:25:10] Voice 13: i would say is the reality is and here we're talking like this is a public hearing and it's not

[0:25:15] Voice 13: so this is what you know you're here to decide how to move the housing agreement forward etc

[0:25:22] Voice 13: um but the reality is that as a trustee i have multiple reports from the so-called experts

[0:25:29] Voice 13: I am not an expert I have a planner who takes the reports I see the various reports we've had

[0:25:35] Voice 13: so reports in terms of how the septic systems work in any property whether it's residential or not

[0:25:41] Voice 13: are all there and so as a trustee I'm not going to second guess the reports if there's a challenge

[0:25:46] Voice 13: to report or if there's or there's compensation because of course the downstream flooding is a

[0:25:51] Voice 13: concern but there is a report stating that this is how it's going to be mitigated at the end of

[0:25:56] Voice 13: the day you know proof will be in the pudding i can't predict that i'm not a water specialist

[0:26:00] Voice 13: i've seen the video i've been on the property many times i know what the issue is there with water

[0:26:05] Voice 13: but we as elected people have asked for a number of reports from the housing society we have those

[0:26:11] Voice 13: reports and at some point we either accept those reports or decide that these people who have their

[0:26:20] Voice 13: certificates and their degrees are lying to us but i don't think i'm prepared to say that they're

[0:26:26] Voice 13: line there are reports there that talk about the sewage treatment plant there's a report from our

[0:26:32] Voice 13: employee william shuba that says the well could serve all of main island it's so good and then

[0:26:37] Voice 13: there's reports in terms of dealing with the overflow surface water so that's my response

[0:26:43] Voice 13: to it we have reports there's multiple reports in the staff report for the housing application

[0:26:48] Voice 13: i don't think we should be here having a debate now either so we haven't even got to

[0:26:54] Voice 13: um but is there

[0:26:56] Voice 15: i think that's

[0:26:57] Voice 13: my response is i have all you know that's now if something happens

[0:27:01] Voice 13: you know that's the other question in terms of the housing society who gets who who obviously

[0:27:06] Voice 13: if there's damage i presume that then civil litigation happens and you have a housing

[0:27:13] Voice 13: society you don't just have mr brown up the road you have a housing society with all this

[0:27:18] Voice 13: responsibility well

[0:27:19] Trustee Rogers: and i would say that would have

[0:27:20] Voice 13: to be sued not

[0:27:21] Trustee Rogers: only not only that you're

[0:27:22] Trustee Rogers: going to have at least two maybe more provincial authorities that are going to be involved in

[0:27:27] Trustee Rogers: approving any of these things including the well including the septic field and sewage regulation

[0:27:32] Trustee Rogers: so

[0:27:32] Voice 13: you have crd building inspection you have island health for septic inspection you will

[0:27:37] Voice 13: have ministry of transportation who were quite involved in a subdivision process and that does

[0:27:42] Voice 13: include surface water so you have quite a few government never mind the funding for the project

[0:27:47] Voice 13: which is going to have numerous people involved as well so i'm not the expert on what may or may not

[0:27:53] Voice 13: happen as an individual or as an elected official okay

[0:27:56] Trustee Rogers: so i'm going to see before i come back to you

[0:27:58] Trustee Rogers: mr mackie with any other first-time speakers and had the date go up but i wanted to i was just

[0:28:09] Trustee Rogers: moving away i do

[0:28:10] Voice 14: have a question before i answer them just about the um the incomes for the

[0:28:15] Voice 14: different units um i've also worked in housing i'm not familiar with um in partnership with bc housing

[0:28:20] Voice 14: in the past um and i am a firm believer of in affordable housing i do have a question though

[0:28:26] Voice 14: when i hear the for the one bedroom studios 60 to 70 000 is that the cap or is that that's the cap

[0:28:35] Voice 14: and

[0:28:35] Trustee Rogers: and and thank you for that i think i should point out these are exactly the kind of questions

[0:28:41] Trustee Rogers: that are what that what a community information meeting is for is to ask those questions get that

[0:28:47] Trustee Rogers: question to that answer that question to make sure you have all of the information regarding what what

[0:28:53] Trustee Rogers: the what the proposal is and what the bylaws say is that okay i

[0:28:58] Trustee Rogers: would

[0:29:01] Voice 3: like to build off of the

[0:29:03] Voice 3: previous conference first off of what we said the the section 219 covenant is where i understand

[0:29:09] Voice 3: you're going to wrap up the wetland restoration plan and the ecological assessment report and

[0:29:16] Voice 3: and come up with the best solution you can

[0:29:18] Voice 3: to deal with the kinds of issues that Lisa's talking about.

[0:29:21] Voice 3: But since that wetland restoration report was released,

[0:29:26] Voice 3: it's been downgraded and we don't even know

[0:29:29] Voice 3: what that plan is calling for anymore.

[0:29:33] Voice 3: And the current draft covenant doesn't even include lot one

[0:29:37] Voice 3: where a lot of the restoration work was gonna take place.

[0:29:41] Voice 3: So it is still a little concerning.

[0:29:44] Voice 3: and i totally get where this is coming from and in relation to the um the rents the ceiling for one

[0:29:52] Voice 3: bedroom is 77 000 if you earn more money than that not eligible for a two bedroom it's 122 000.

[0:30:00] Voice 3: you're not eligible the current concern i have with the draft wording is that it's not going to

[0:30:06] Voice 3: be affordable for anyone earning less than sixty thousand dollars the wording is so weird in there

[0:30:12] Voice 3: that i can conform to that wording and anybody that's earning less than sixty thousand dollars

[0:30:19] Voice 3: i don't have to supply affordable housing to anybody

[0:30:22] Trustee Rogers: you'd be i mean i can read a document

[0:30:25] Trustee Rogers: so you're gonna have to tell me why it's so weird and what it is because i've actually

[0:30:30] Trustee Rogers: been involved in the two affordable houses similar housing agreements that that uh were adopted on

[0:30:36] Trustee Rogers: galliano that had similar not exactly the same but similar languages okay do

[0:30:41] Voice 3: you want me to tell you

[0:30:42] Voice 3: exactly where

[0:30:43] Trustee Rogers: given that we're about to give it potentially give it three readings you should

[0:30:47] Trustee Rogers: probably tell us if you have a concern about it i'm

[0:30:51] Voice 3: paraphrasing it but for a one bedroom unit

[0:30:54] Voice 3: it, the way it's priced is you're going to take the rent will be no more than 30% of the average

[0:31:03] Voice 3: of the income of individuals and the income of couples. The definitions for income of individuals

[0:31:13] Voice 3: is the median income of individuals. The definition for a couple is the median income

[0:31:21] Voice 3: for a couple. The median income for a single person is $38,000. The median income for a couple

[0:31:29] Voice 3: is $82,000. To add those two up and divide by two, you get a $60,000 number. The agreement says

[0:31:39] Voice 3: rents will be no more than 30% of that number. The average

[0:31:46] Trustee Rogers: rent. That's the average of the two

[0:31:48] Trustee Rogers: mediums no the average rent is no more than the average of those two numbers that's not what it

[0:31:54] Trustee Rogers: says yeah it

[0:31:55] Trustee Rogers: does i'll ask the planner is that what it says that's

[0:31:59] Voice 16: fine and

[0:32:01] Trustee Rogers: i've got her here

[0:32:04] Trustee Rogers: i mean i don't i don't want to we shouldn't have a debate about it but i get your point but

[0:32:09] Trustee Rogers: but we need to have the accurate um

[0:32:12] Voice 14: it says

[0:32:15] Voice 14: it's on page 145.

[0:32:18] Voice 2: yeah i gotta find my

[0:32:19] Voice 8: package i had it

[0:32:20] Voice 8: here

[0:32:20] Voice 14: so

[0:32:28] Voice 15: we're clear go

[0:32:34] Voice 16: ahead planner

[0:32:36] Voice 16: yes 155 2.4 is where um the income ranges are

[0:32:51] Trustee Rogers: he's talking about the definition of the rent which is i think section three

[0:32:55] Voice 16: and also

[0:33:00] Voice 15: the same thing and

[0:33:03] Trustee Rogers: can you help me the planner try to work it's on my understanding is the average

[0:33:09] Trustee Rogers: rent will be no more than the 30 of the average of those two subcategories

[0:33:16] Voice 16: that's the way yeah

[0:33:18] Voice 16: right and

[0:33:23] Trustee Rogers: and i'll just i'll just say i'm not telling you what i think about i'm just saying

[0:33:27] Trustee Rogers: that my understanding is is that this is all this is the way these have been designed as sort of a

[0:33:32] Trustee Rogers: two-part test you have a maximum income which i think you both addressed or a number of you

[0:33:37] Trustee Rogers: have addressed there's a maximum income um or so you don't qualify and the rents are set at

[0:33:43] Trustee Rogers: an average of a certain income threshold of a cpi income and um an average rent is to provide for

[0:33:54] Trustee Rogers: the possibility that some people may pay more but that will but then some people will pay less

[0:34:00] Trustee Rogers: um so that's the way it's designed this is a business if anybody pays more than that they

[0:34:07] Trustee Rogers: can never be above a certain average but there will people that will pay less that's the intention

[0:34:16] Trustee Rogers: i

[0:34:18] Voice 3: don't it's not shut me down if you need to i'm

[0:34:25] Trustee Rogers: not trying to shut you down sir i just want to

[0:34:26] Trustee Rogers: to make sure that we're all the same.

[0:34:29] Voice 3: We're not. And you can charge no more than 30% of the average

[0:34:36] Voice 3: number, which is $60,000 in this case. So I can charge no more than that average.

[0:34:42] Trustee Rogers: Rent for a one

[0:34:43] Trustee Rogers: bedroom in a calendar will on average be at or below 30% of the average. It doesn't

[0:34:51] Voice 3: say if I

[0:34:52] Voice 3: earn $20,000 a year that you're going to have my rent 30% of that.

[0:34:56] Trustee Rogers: That's correct. It doesn't

[0:34:57] Trustee Rogers: on to that you're correct

[0:34:58] Voice 3: anybody that earns less than sixty thousand dollars is going to be paying

[0:35:02] Voice 3: more than thirty percent of their um income on that unit okay

[0:35:08] Trustee Rogers: it's absolutely correct that the

[0:35:10] Trustee Rogers: the housing agreement does not tie the housing the rent to an individual's income for it doesn't

[0:35:19] Trustee Rogers: for

[0:35:20] Voice 3: 90 up to 90 percent of renters on the gulf islands it fails the test of affordability i read

[0:35:27] Trustee Rogers: your i read your missive your submission

[0:35:29] Voice 3: around and i don't i doubt myself sometimes on that

[0:35:32] Voice 3: because it seems so blatantly odd that we would be having a community amenity that does that

[0:35:39] Voice 3: to rent your households on this island okay thanks yes yeah

[0:35:44] Voice 16: just so a little clarification around um

[0:35:48] Voice 16: the average so um if you had say four one bedrooms this isn't providing the opportunity to charge

[0:35:56] Voice 16: above for some and below uh for others so it's the average of the total of the units i understand

[0:36:07] Voice 3: what flexibility is trying to be built into it but there's no nothing in that agreement that

[0:36:12] Voice 3: okay thanks

[0:36:13] Trustee Rogers: very much we've got your and you know what good questions for the for any community

[0:36:22] Trustee Rogers: I

[0:36:23] Voice 3: just want to be

[0:36:24] Trustee Rogers: sure

[0:36:26] Voice 3: we're on the same page, this is going to public hearing today is recommended for

[0:36:34] Trustee Rogers: the housing.

[0:36:36] Trustee Rogers: Yeah. And the housing agreement will be part of the any public hearing and community information meeting but we're not required because it's an administrative bylaw to have a public hearing specifically.

[0:36:45] Trustee Rogers: specifically about it so you're absolutely right i'm not disagreeing with you but that's just so

[0:36:50] Trustee Rogers: you understand the process the two bylaws that are the the land use bylaws require public hearings

[0:36:57] Trustee Rogers: and i may not be the chair i don't know we have to decide that but um the the process has been

[0:37:07] Trustee Rogers: to date the expectation is that both the housing agreement and the section 219 covenant would be

[0:37:13] Trustee Rogers: be part of the public hearing process, so that everybody can

[0:37:17] Trustee Rogers: see what the whole picture is. I don't want to speak out of term,

[0:37:20] Trustee Rogers: but that would be my expectation. And

[0:37:21] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry, I'm

[0:37:22] Trustee Rogers: looking at the trustee. That would be my expectation,

[0:37:25] Trustee Rogers: because I think it's important for the community to know the

[0:37:27] Trustee Rogers: whole picture. It will be. Thanks. Yes.

[0:37:35] Voice 14: That's my question. My name is Susan. My last name is Rochelle

[0:37:38] Voice 14: And I do not live on the island, I only live on the island place, here is 407 Durgina Point Road.

[0:37:46] Voice 14: And so I just wanted to also, having worked in housing on and off for many years in my career,

[0:37:52] Voice 14: having worked with Deb Goldman in the past, I wanted to just lend my support to affordable

[0:37:58] Voice 14: housing in general on the Gulf Islands, to the Island Housing Society, and from my experience

[0:38:04] Voice 14: and working with Deb for about 12 years.

[0:38:06] Voice 14: She is someone who takes the notion of stewardship

[0:38:10] Voice 14: very seriously.

[0:38:11] Voice 14: And so that's my thought.

[0:38:13] Voice 14: Thank

[0:38:14] Trustee Rogers: you very much.

[0:38:15] Trustee Rogers: And I will remind you at some point, maybe,

[0:38:18] Trustee Rogers: I think we've given general authority

[0:38:21] Trustee Rogers: regarding a public hearing,

[0:38:23] Trustee Rogers: but we haven't actually set one.

[0:38:24] Trustee Rogers: So when we get there,

[0:38:25] Trustee Rogers: then it'll be great to hear everybody in the community.

[0:38:28] Trustee Rogers: That's the process.

[0:38:30] Trustee Rogers: Anybody else wish to speak on anything else?

[0:38:32] Trustee Rogers: on the well on that or anything else on the agenda pretty much our main issue yes sir go ahead

[0:38:41] Trustee Rogers: i

[0:38:41] Voice 6: just throw in a thought here uh to add on to nico's concerns about this concept of affordability

[0:38:50] Voice 6: again speaking as a realtor with some experience on the island i can say confidence that the

[0:38:55] Voice 6: market's changing we've seen in the last quite a few years a drift of real estate available in

[0:39:03] Voice 6: that translates to the rental market it's not much available when supply is thin price goes up

[0:39:11] Voice 6: this is changing okay lisa and i have been in it long enough to have seen the peaks and the

[0:39:17] Voice 6: valleys and i can tell you we're at a peak now and we're heading for a valley and this is our

[0:39:22] Voice 6: point is these circumstances surrounding us now are way bigger than provincial this is a global

[0:39:31] Voice 6: thing coming at us so we may see a whole lot of real estate coming to the market in the coming

[0:39:38] Voice 6: years these decades take these changes take a decade in our experience with that flood of real

[0:39:45] Voice 6: estate listings comes a flood of rental units and that again that burgeoning supply will drive

[0:39:52] Voice 6: five rents down. And I don't know enough about the finances here to Nico does predict what this will do to a project that's being built now to be rented later. So I say, beware, because prices are going down, rents are going to go down. The other thing is the trust is working on a project that I applaud, which is this flex housing experiment that's going to create

[0:40:22] Voice 6: a market it's going to be people take hold of that and build places in five years we may have

[0:40:29] Voice 6: more rental properties on the market than we need and we all know what that does to price

[0:40:36] Voice 6: thank you that's it okay

[0:40:40] Trustee Rogers: thank you very much for that um well um with that i think we'll

[0:40:46] Trustee Rogers: not take any of the hands but i think we'll close the town hall um uh thank you for your

[0:40:51] Trustee Rogers: commentary and through so what what occurs now just so it's clear unless the trustees decide

[0:40:59] Trustee Rogers: otherwise occasionally they like to have input on topics from members of the community besides

[0:41:06] Trustee Rogers: just an applicant or on a topic we're talking about so they may decide to do that but generally

[0:41:11] Trustee Rogers: speaking what will occur now is is that we'll talk through the various issues on the agenda

[0:41:16] Trustee Rogers: because this is our business meeting that we're doing in public in front of everybody yes it's

[0:41:21] Trustee Rogers: appropriate in those and the only the usually the only time we ask for a commentary from anybody

[0:41:27] Trustee Rogers: that's here is from an applicant and we will have a conversation probably or have questions or input

[0:41:33] Trustee Rogers: from the main island housing society um so that's that's just the way the process will work uh going

[0:41:40] Trustee Rogers: forward um thanks that's number four we don't have a ciam or public hearing we have minutes here

[0:41:47] Trustee Rogers: We have the minutes of our public hearing. Are there any on bylaws?

[0:41:53] Trustee Rogers: Then we're different. Better make sure to get the right ones.

[0:41:58] Trustee Rogers: Is that

[0:41:58] Voice 13: the minor? Yeah.

[0:42:01] Trustee Rogers: Four or five.

[0:42:04] Trustee Rogers: Are there any comments or changes regarding the public hearing record that will receive those?

[0:42:09] Trustee Rogers: uh we then have the uh local trust committee minutes of july the 25th

[0:42:17] Trustee Rogers: are there any comments or changes from trustees no i

[0:42:23] Voice 13: think

[0:42:24] Trustee Rogers: i have one

[0:42:25] Trustee Rogers: if i can find it oh uh my only change uh pat was that on page six of the minutes

[0:42:36] Trustee Rogers: under 12.6 chairs report it says it's talking about the trust programs committee which is all

[0:42:43] Trustee Rogers: correct it says recommended minutes have been forwarded to staff for the august 29th trust

[0:42:48] Trustee Rogers: council agenda it was actually the september 20th trust council agenda i think august 29th was the

[0:42:55] Trustee Rogers: date of the trust programs committee that's

[0:42:56] Voice 14: when this meeting yeah

[0:42:57] Trustee Rogers: that was the only thing i noted

[0:42:59] Trustee Rogers: in the minutes uh anything else from either of you then i'll take we'll take the minutes uh

[0:43:03] Trustee Rogers: adopted as amended we also have the public hearing record for bylaws 184 89 anything related to those

[0:43:12] Trustee Rogers: those are simply here for receipt nothing and then we have the apc minutes uh from september

[0:43:20] Trustee Rogers: the 6th on starting on page 15 uh they address two of the issues that are on our agenda today

[0:43:27] Trustee Rogers: do you wish to any comments at this stage or just wish to address them we'll get them

[0:43:31] Trustee Rogers: i just

[0:43:32] Voice 13: wanted to mention that that it's strong the q so there's a spell an error in the name

[0:43:37] Voice 13: on page

[0:43:39] Voice 12: 16 it says jody hartman and it's

[0:43:44] Voice 12: actually joey joey g-o-e-y it does okay

[0:43:52] Voice 10: i don't count

[0:43:52] Voice 10: they're

[0:43:52] Trustee Rogers: sorry oh they're in the package oh

[0:43:54] Voice 10: then you were

[0:43:55] Trustee Rogers: probably going to record it

[0:43:56] Voice 10: i'll bring that to the words okay and what page was the joey correction it's at

[0:44:02] Trustee Rogers: the bottom of page

[0:44:03] Trustee Rogers: uh 16 page two of the minute

[0:44:08] Voice 15: second the

[0:44:09] Trustee Rogers: last paragraph and i'm not sure where the other name was

[0:44:14] Voice 13: well the top the next top of

[0:44:16] Voice 13: page 17 is sean not john okay right that's just obviously in

[0:44:21] Trustee Rogers: a meeting you would i wonder if

[0:44:23] Trustee Rogers: if there was another mccue that i didn't yeah i

[0:44:25] Trustee Rogers: saw john and i thought well maybe there's a family

[0:44:27] Trustee Rogers: member i didn't know

[0:44:29] Voice 15: again

[0:44:31] Trustee Rogers: i should be shocked that he said john uh okay uh so with those two

[0:44:37] Trustee Rogers: amendments well actually those corrections um this will just simply receive the advisory piece

[0:44:45] Trustee Rogers: APC minutes. We have a follow-up action list from September the 15th. Are there any questions

[0:44:59] Trustee Rogers: for the planner or anything you'd like to flag for the planner? I

[0:45:02] Voice 16: just wanted to mention that

[0:45:03] Voice 16: the flexible housing by-law is still a mystery and we're actually in communication with them

[0:45:10] Voice 16: uh around that file yeah you

[0:45:14] Trustee Rogers: got to speak up

[0:45:15] Voice 16: i said yeah you want to turn

[0:45:17] Trustee Rogers: your you might want

[0:45:18] Trustee Rogers: to let's turn your table just a little bit this way so you're speaking more um

[0:45:23] Voice 16: flexible housing

[0:45:25] Voice 16: uh bylaw is still with the ministry okay

[0:45:29] Trustee Rogers: any questions from either uh thanks and we'll take

[0:45:35] Trustee Rogers: that for receipt and then the next thing on the agenda uh as we move all the way to item

[0:45:41] Trustee Rogers: 10.1 and we have the first of three north pender bylaws um which were quite interesting reading

[0:45:50] Trustee Rogers: having heard about them at some length but not having actually read them uh let's go to 10.1

[0:45:57] Trustee Rogers: we've got um do

[0:45:58] Voice 13: we have to do a separate motion for each one yeah okay so

[0:46:03] Voice 13: i move that the amena

[0:46:04] Voice 13: local trust committees um interests are not affected by bylaw number two two three is there

[0:46:12] Voice 2: or a seconder? Okay. Any discussion?

[0:46:14] Trustee Rogers: No? All in favor? That passes. Go ahead.

[0:46:17] Voice 13: I move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee's interests are not affected by proposed

[0:46:21] Voice 13: bylaw 224, North Pender. Second.

[0:46:25] Trustee Rogers: All in favor? That passes unanimously.

[0:46:27] Voice 13: And I move that

[0:46:28] Voice 13: the Main Island Local Trust Committee's interests are not affected by bylaw number 229, North Pender.

[0:46:35] Trustee Rogers: Okay. So you're seconder. Any discussion? All in favor? That passes. Thank you.

[0:46:42] Trustee Rogers: I know I know there's you know we just took 140 pages of our agenda but it's um I didn't find them

[0:46:50] Trustee Rogers: particularly the land use bylaw one now I

[0:46:53] Trustee Rogers: understand what they've been doing over there

[0:46:55] Voice 8: uh

[0:46:56] Trustee Rogers: we're at page 143 and this is the Maine Island Housing Society staff report

[0:47:05] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to turn to planner Chadwick, and you can give your staff report and then you can then go to any questions from the trustees for the planner, and then I'll invite the applicants to make any commentary that they have.

[0:47:25] Trustee Rogers: so over to you okay

[0:47:27] Voice 16: yeah so the staff report has um been discussed a bit already

[0:47:32] Voice 16: um it presents the uh the housing agreement um for uh for release um and uh

[0:47:41] Voice 16: so the housing agreement has come back um um after being updated uh

[0:47:49] Voice 16: in about June, there had been at times a discussion around Sean Deque's being on the housing agreement.

[0:47:57] Voice 16: One of the significant changes that was discussed here was the shift to a more flexible approach to the housing rental structure.

[0:48:14] Voice 16: structure. The other key piece in the staff report is around the, well, I guess there's

[0:48:26] Voice 16: two, there's the decision around the amenity as has been identified previously. That was

[0:48:31] Voice 16: kind of a point of stall, essentially, with the process is defining what the amenity that

[0:48:43] Voice 16: that would support the development on what to

[0:48:48] Voice 14: define

[0:48:49] Voice 16: as and there's been a lot of

[0:48:52] Voice 16: conversation around that point. There's been conversation around other potential

[0:48:57] Voice 16: things like water conservation, potentially looking at those as many amenities staff

[0:49:06] Voice 16: staff and come back and identify that looking at those would be fairly complicated.

[0:49:13] Voice 16: I we looked at water and that it seems that would be quite a complicated process.

[0:49:19] Voice 16: And the LTC had also requested staff look into the idea of an additional conservation component

[0:49:29] Voice 16: and talking with the land conservancy that that too would be quite a complicated and

[0:49:35] Voice 16: lengthy process and the the land and and really they're not really the size of the land that

[0:49:41] Voice 16: potentially be offered it's not really substantial to um to actually um uh stimulate interest in that

[0:49:49] Voice 16: that way of going so the ruling about those additional things the the things that um sort

[0:49:59] Voice 16: remain um is the um the donation of land for affordable housing and that's essentially what

[0:50:06] Voice 16: the apc's resolution suggests that the donation of land um is sufficient to meeting amenity

[0:50:13] Voice 16: provisions in the ocp um so the donation of land that would mean that um that the land would have

[0:50:20] Voice 16: to be subdivided and um the title of that lot three um moved to the housing society or another

[0:50:28] Voice 16: another society, you know, that would be,

[0:50:31] Voice 16: the company can be worded in such a way

[0:50:33] Voice 16: that that plot to a party

[0:50:40] Voice 16: that would take on the responsibility

[0:50:42] Voice 16: of providing affordable housing.

[0:50:44] Voice 16: A step down from that would just be the rezoning

[0:50:46] Voice 16: of the land, which would actually get the LTC

[0:50:50] Voice 16: in a fairly sticky place,

[0:50:52] Voice 16: with no guarantee of transfer of land.

[0:50:56] Voice 16: There has been previous discussion around the demonstration that building is being provided on the land.

[0:51:04] Voice 16: And that had been sort of in the original covenant had one of the earlier drafts and had indicated that interest.

[0:51:19] Voice 16: But it hasn't actually, at that point, really defined what that would mean, if it was all

[0:51:26] Voice 16: houses, partial houses.

[0:51:27] Voice 16: So that, if we were to go back to discussing that, there would need to be a really clear

[0:51:33] Voice 16: decision on what constitutes the demonstration of building being provided, which could be

[0:51:38] building a land, which could be obtaining the funding,

[0:51:43] Voice 16: whatever point, and we've discussed

[0:51:45] Voice 16: that a little bit in the past um with that sort of discussion on the table the um the housing society

[0:51:53] Voice 16: had um come back with a uh some wording in the covenant that um spoke to uh an expiration um

[0:52:04] Voice 16: expiration of whatever restriction there may be on lot two while with you know if for example

[0:52:09] Voice 16: for example, the government identified that X amount of buildings would have to be built if those were not provided, then there would be an expiration of that particular restriction to allow after five year period from subdivision to allow for the building

[0:52:30] Voice 16: a lot to do for it so that that wording is still in the um the draft cousin covenant that you have

[0:52:37] Voice 16: before you is the covenant that uh uh the housing society is provided so that's that's that's where

[0:52:43] Voice 16: it's coming from um an update to previous and um and uh basically if if it is defined that the

[0:52:54] Voice 16: donation of land for affordable housing is the amenity then that that particular clause is is

[0:53:03] Voice 16: then made redundant because uh with the transfer of land you're you would then be um you would then

[0:53:11] Voice 16: be recognizing that as the amenity that's allowing the bonus which is the additional lot for

[0:53:16] Voice 16: of development. So, um, staff recommended recommendations for

[0:53:27] Voice 16: us to move forward, um, is to the communities that the

[0:53:32] opportunities are that ABC was going to get the

[0:53:35] Voice 16: opportunity to

[0:53:37] Voice 16: provide some perspective that we haven't had legal advice

[0:53:45] Voice 16: land donated for the food and affordable housing could be received as as the amenity of the

[0:53:58] Voice 16: staff recommending that that be a consideration um um the restrictions um there are a lot

[0:54:11] lot

[0:54:12] Voice 16: of restrictions have been placed on plot two and three through the covenant that focus on land

[0:54:19] Voice 16: preservation and alleviation the housing agreement again the housing agreement is

[0:54:26] Voice 16: is quite restrictive and it is very similar as um the steroids have indicated to the housing

[0:54:32] Voice 16: agreements that have been going up for um a number of other um projects in the islands just um

[0:54:42] Voice 16: and uh like i said if you know if it is identified that the management line of

[0:54:48] Voice 16: the amendment there is um essentially that uh there the restriction on um

[0:54:56] Voice 16: on the building is kind of that causes um so it should be rewritten to uh indicate that um

[0:55:06] Voice 16: that block two development can't occur until after subdivision and transfer plan if that's the

[0:55:12] Voice 16: That's the direction that the LCC would like to go.

[0:55:15] Voice 16: There are, of course, alternatives

[0:55:17] Voice 16: to what's been recommended.

[0:55:20] Voice 16: The LCC could define the amenity required

[0:55:23] Voice 16: for admitting the development of LCT as something else,

[0:55:26] Voice 16: but I would really urge you to be really clear.

[0:55:33] Voice 16: Like, I mean, we've been around it so many different times,

[0:55:35] Voice 16: so we really need to have a really clear sense

[0:55:39] Voice 16: of what that would be.

[0:55:42] Voice 16: And the other thing is that there is a recommendation in here, it's a staff recommended resolution to schedule a community information and public hearing for the 31st.

[0:55:57] Voice 16: So that's their other interest for the process to move forward before the end of term.

[0:56:05] Voice 16: Now, there had been previously a resolution around having the CIM and the public hearing separate.

[0:56:20] Voice 16: And I think given the conversation in the room, I actually think staff, I would like to change my recommendation and recommend that a separate CIM and public hearing may be the way to go.

[0:56:36] Voice 16: So, you know, and then the date of so the date of you

[0:56:42] Trustee Rogers: say your recommendation is what a separate.

[0:56:45] Trustee Rogers: Well, I thought we were doing. Well,

[0:56:48] Voice 16: we were and I, and so I had, I changed the, I had changed recommendations together and then I went back to what you originally, originally said at the last so I would say, yeah, I would just stay with separate.

[0:57:01] Voice 16: separate. And then as far as the date goes, again, the date was chosen because that was

[0:57:08] Voice 16: the last opportunity for this local trust committee to make a decision on the on the

[0:57:15] Voice 16: proposal that there there is a LTC meeting on the 24th. There won't be as far as I know,

[0:57:26] Voice 16: unless something crazy happens a whole lot on that agenda.

[0:57:29] Voice 16: So, if you were to go with public hearing, if you want to go with a separate CIM and public hearing, then I would suggest that you do that, one of those, combined with the other two.

[0:57:55] Voice 16: Well that

[0:57:56] Trustee Rogers: would have to be the CIM.

[0:57:57] Trustee Rogers: now i

[0:57:57] Voice 16: mean that would

[0:57:58] Voice 16: happen if you're if you're separating yes on

[0:58:01] Voice 13: october 24th

[0:58:02] Voice 16: or or the 31st

[0:58:04] Voice 16: depending on how much time you want but yeah i mean if you're not trying to um um to push through

[0:58:11] Voice 16: but i think there's also been a change in in dates of the uh i

[0:58:15] Trustee Rogers: can't leave you

[0:58:22] Voice 16: so yeah so that's so the dates are open for discussion i think

[0:58:29] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I have some questions, but let's start with you go ahead,

[0:58:32] Voice 13: obviously, October 24 is

[0:58:34] Voice 13: a good time for community information meeting. So obviously that and then as far as the public

[0:58:40] Voice 13: hearing goes, whether it should be the following week, or could be into November, and open

[0:58:45] Voice 13: that conversation. Do you have some questions

[0:58:51] Trustee Maude: from the staff report?

[0:58:53] Trustee Maude: Well, the question that is common on the timing is it sort of becomes a political thing for me because October 15th is the election.

[0:59:03] Trustee Maude: If I was not re-elected, I would not really be comfortable participating in a trust meeting.

[0:59:10] Trustee Maude: Basically, you sort of become a lame duck session where, you know, I might be pushing an opinion or something that doesn't really count because I'm at that point on my way out the door.

[0:59:24] Trustee Maude: so i just like that it's just that that void time makes me uncomfortable as far as public process

[0:59:31] goes it's that i certainly hope to be elected and i very much like to be sitting at the table there

[0:59:36] but if i wasn't

[0:59:37] Trustee Maude: i kind of would feel very uncomfortable sitting at the table yeah go ahead

[0:59:43] Trustee Maude: i

[0:59:43] Voice 13: see it the opposite way i see it as our responsibility as the current local trust

[0:59:47] Voice 13: committee whether we're defeated or elected or whatever to finish up our agenda so i don't

[0:59:52] Voice 13: really see that as as an issue i think we have a responsibility so unfortunate

[0:59:57] Voice 13: it's dragged in so far so late

[1:00:00] Voice 13: our turn that we as the three of us otherwise we're simply going to be putting this off to a

[1:00:05] Voice 13: whole new trust committee to bring certainly a new chairman completely up to speed and we don't know

[1:00:10] Voice 13: how the election will go so that's my take on it i think it's our responsibility

[1:00:15] Voice 13: yeah and

[1:00:18] Trustee Rogers: i mean i've also had a similar feeling as trustee maude about whether or not it's

[1:00:24] Trustee Rogers: appropriate for me given that I'm my term up on name will be finishing sometime in November

[1:00:33] Trustee Rogers: sorry in case people don't know what we're talking about here is we originally were

[1:00:37] Trustee Rogers: going to have the swearing in on November 1st of the new trustees and we found out that the

[1:00:41] Trustee Rogers: act didn't allow that we've now moved our trust council to where the swearing in will take place

[1:00:47] Trustee Rogers: to the middle of november which means i and i i'm on the job until my replacement comes off anyway

[1:00:56] Trustee Rogers: um so that's just my way of explanation why we're sort of they all came to light last friday

[1:01:03] Trustee Rogers: afternoon anyway um i so i sort of feel like um i i was wondering about whether i should be doing

[1:01:11] Trustee Rogers: that on the other hand there is some real benefit given that i got all the history of this

[1:01:17] Trustee Rogers: to finish to take it through and i suppose one of the things i might say trustee bond i'd be

[1:01:24] Trustee Rogers: interested in your view on this is if you take it through ci c i am at a public hearing you don't

[1:01:33] Trustee Rogers: have to do third reading if you if you're still feeling like you don't want to do it it's just

[1:01:38] Trustee Rogers: the process is finished um so that's you know that's an option you could do that and go i really

[1:01:45] Trustee Rogers: don't want to make a final decision let's leave it to the whoever the new trustees are um and

[1:01:51] Trustee Rogers: well it's going to be one of the two of you anyway but um so yeah and

[1:01:56] Voice 13: also the actual adoption will

[1:01:58] Voice 13: occur after this and the

[1:01:59] Trustee Rogers: actual adoption and

[1:02:00] Voice 13: i actually has happened i

[1:02:02] Trustee Rogers: actually lived through

[1:02:03] Trustee Rogers: it on galliano this year this term where where the um where the new trust local trust committee

[1:02:10] Trustee Rogers: coming in actually rolled back third reading and and uh uh you know we went through a whole year

[1:02:16] Trustee Rogers: of another process trying to find a solution which we eventually did uh but um so it's it's until a

[1:02:22] Trustee Rogers: dialogue is actually adopted it's not efficient and it has to go through the process so say if

[1:02:28] Voice 13: the scenario was that you had three trustees who none of them returned to your local trust

[1:02:33] Voice 13: committee that doesn't mean the following trust committee cannot still make the ultimate decision

[1:02:40] Trustee Rogers: it so

[1:02:40] Voice 13: the the actual final decision on this pilot will be the next local trust committee right so i

[1:02:46] Voice 13: i've opened what i've said

[1:02:47] Trustee Rogers: to the the staff is um as my role as the chair i'll make a nice up

[1:02:53] Trustee Rogers: available to what the local trust committee wants me to do if you want me to uh if you want to have

[1:02:59] Trustee Rogers: a community information meeting on the 24th and a and a i will say it's problematic for me to be

[1:03:06] Trustee Rogers: doing anything much further into november because i made some travel plans um but uh i'm i'm

[1:03:14] Trustee Rogers: available to help you in any way that i can try and get this viewer if you're interested in having

[1:03:19] Trustee Rogers: that cim process um it makes sense to me that if the applicant is ready and available and willing

[1:03:28] Trustee Rogers: and staff can be ready for the 24th to have a cim on the 24th that would make sense to me

[1:03:33] Trustee Rogers: um and then is that the only question to me is is whether or not you're going to schedule a public

[1:03:39] Trustee Rogers: hearing um before the end of the term um and if so i can come over on halloween

[1:03:48] Trustee Rogers: i'm guessing i'm

[1:03:49] Voice 12: guessing i'm guessing that main island's a lot of fun on

[1:03:51] Voice 12: anyway uh

[1:03:58] Trustee Rogers: so there seems to be there's a number of issues here is is we've got a staff

[1:04:02] Trustee Rogers: recommendation around a number of things i have a couple of questions about the about direct the

[1:04:07] Trustee Rogers: staff recommendations around the various the 219 and the housing agreement but i don't want to

[1:04:13] Trustee Rogers: sugar do you guys have any questions from the staff about that well

[1:04:16] Trustee Maude: my only question about

[1:04:17] Trustee Maude: the company such um is all we've heard through we've heard that lot two is going to be accessed

[1:04:23] Trustee Maude: by the driveway through lock one and and that doesn't see me anywhere in the covenant um

[1:04:30] Trustee Maude: um and that was sort of one of these things that kept getting pounded into us well it was certainly

[1:04:36] Trustee Maude: yeah it was certainly reiterated that that's the way they were coming into life so i was

[1:04:39] Trustee Maude: just wondering why that wasn't somehow bound in there somewhere

[1:04:43] Voice 16: that's a good question i

[1:04:46] Voice 16: cannot look at it i mean essentially it'll be an easement on title um which is a separate process

[1:04:52] Voice 16: But, um, yeah, I think it needs to be there.

[1:04:58] Voice 16: I

[1:04:58] Trustee Maude: think there's a particular issue with the sensitive ecosystem access off of

[1:05:04] Trustee Rogers: the road.

[1:05:06] Trustee Rogers: Well, and the other and the other question was, is, hopefully this wouldn't, this wasn't that way it wouldn't create a second other yet another driveway off of off of the road there, which is the name of which.

[1:05:19] Trustee Rogers: village um and so yes that that is a good point that was the way it was going to come in was

[1:05:25] Trustee Rogers: on that road and then and then so um do you have any questions well i'm

[1:05:32] Voice 13: just going back to

[1:05:33] Voice 13: you know the point that tim raised about the housing and the rental fees

[1:05:38] Voice 13: and the reality of it the incomes on main island are not by any means at that level so is it

[1:05:45] Voice 13: possible in the housing agreement on our last census tells us what the average wages were

[1:05:51] Voice 13: incomes were for the gulf islands so can we not put some kind of link into the housing agreement

[1:05:57] Voice 13: to a more realistic figure you

[1:06:00] Voice 16: could do that like right now because right

[1:06:03] Voice 13: now we're talking about a

[1:06:04] Voice 13: bc-wide income figure and there is no our incomes here i think they're quite correct the expectation

[1:06:14] Voice 13: expectation of the rental rates on this property are way exceed what the normal rents are you know

[1:06:19] Voice 13: so I guess that would be an opportunity or what do we do about that because we know that they're

[1:06:26] Voice 13: not realistic and we know that there's only two of these units that are deep subsidy and we keep

[1:06:31] Voice 13: saying this word affordable and actually make made them take it out of the trust policy statement and

[1:06:36] Voice 13: these are attainable units but in terms of I know affordability is a third people's income but what

[1:06:40] Voice 13: the average person thinks of in terms of rentals especially on an island is much lower than

[1:06:45] Voice 13: expectations in an urban area

[1:06:47] Voice 11: all the time to do if i might speak to this in the housing agreement

[1:06:52] Voice 11: is to create a structure within which the bc housing funding can have their rental structure

[1:07:02] Voice 11: embedded in here and it doesn't con conflict with the housing agreement or the cmhc funder

[1:07:07] Voice 11: and their housing um rents are able to be accommodated into the housing agreement and

[1:07:15] Voice 11: what we've been hearing here about numbers being bandied about is not quite actually the way it is

[1:07:21] Voice 11: so how it looks is if you have four units and you've got rents for those four units

[1:07:29] Voice 11: the average of those four units has to be below what is in the housing agreement so there will

[1:07:35] Voice 11: be an opportunity as the planner said to have rents that are low to meet the needs of that

[1:07:41] Voice 11: those those families are those uh tenants and you can have a higher and they will be below

[1:07:50] Voice 11: as the wording is in here um according to cmhc um i can't recall exactly the wording but that's what

[1:07:59] Voice 11: is so it's to accommodate the needs of the island contrary to what we're hearing it is to accommodate

[1:08:07] Voice 11: the needs of the island and it has been very well presented by the planners on other islands and

[1:08:14] Voice 11: is in the housing agreements that have been accepted on other islands as well

[1:08:18] Voice 11: and if we want if you want to have more information about this we're happy to give it to

[1:08:22] Voice 11: you thank you yeah

[1:08:24] Trustee Rogers: yeah i i should like to add that all the potential funders are explicitly

[1:08:31] Trustee Rogers: concerned with affordable housing and they put rules in place in conjunction with their funding

[1:08:36] Trustee Rogers: to ensure that the housing is affordable and the formulas are different enough that the one

[1:08:42] Trustee Rogers: umbrella spanning all of those possibilities is what we need in housing to ensure that there will

[1:08:48] Trustee Rogers: be one in here but it will be more restrictive than housing by definition by the mandate of

[1:08:54] Trustee Rogers: those agencies and they are all looking for affordable housing i

[1:08:58] Voice 15: have

[1:09:02] Trustee Rogers: a couple questions

[1:09:03] Trustee Rogers: one about that i'll come back to that though i wanted to just make sure i understand uh the

[1:09:09] Trustee Rogers: the covenant um so my understanding what you said uh planner chadwick was um one of the one of the

[1:09:19] Trustee Rogers: idea is we came up with was that we asked a question as to whether or not it would make

[1:09:27] Trustee Rogers: some sense that if the housing never got built whether the lot three would be could be flipped

[1:09:32] Trustee Rogers: over to some sort of a conservation property and what is my understanding is that you went to the

[1:09:38] Trustee Rogers: conservancy the iowa's trust conservancy and they basically said yeah we probably wouldn't be

[1:09:42] Trustee Rogers: interested because it's not a big enough piece of property to be basically interested in yeah i mean

[1:09:48] Trustee Rogers: might have been some other options but it is a i

[1:09:50] Voice 16: mean we can do further pursuit of course

[1:09:52] Voice 16: yeah

[1:09:52] Trustee Rogers: i mean there might have been other options like a park or a water of nature to put in nature

[1:09:58] Trustee Rogers: protection given what it is um i guess i saw that as sort of a when i call it gift over if the bill

[1:10:07] Trustee Rogers: if the housing wasn't going to become if the prediction we just heard that there was going

[1:10:11] Trustee Rogers: to be so much rental on maine that there would be an oversupply and therefore it never got built

[1:10:15] Trustee Rogers: um that that they're and they and therefore the housing society or a successor said well we don't

[1:10:22] Trustee Rogers: need it anymore there might be a gift over but that's not what i'm hearing uh that then you

[1:10:27] Trustee Rogers: didn't think that that was a reasonable alter at

[1:10:30] Voice 16: this point in time so i mean like that conversation

[1:10:33] Voice 16: can be had at any other point in time with the the housing society because how the society needs

[1:10:39] Voice 16: to be willing to to go yeah

[1:10:42] Trustee Rogers: but my point is this is the point in time where you might make that

[1:10:46] Trustee Rogers: agreement because five years down the road if they're not going to build a house then they

[1:10:49] Trustee Rogers: then they're sitting on a piece of property now granted it's zoned in a particular way

[1:10:54] Trustee Rogers: that's only useful for uh a housing development yeah go ahead

[1:10:59] Voice 13: well then as was pointed out

[1:11:00] Voice 13: you know it's it also has significant covenants so right well we have this vision of it sitting

[1:11:05] Voice 13: near untouched that's also not a bad thing in terms of the protection of that property so tell

[1:11:12] Trustee Rogers: me again about about if we agree or if we come to the same conclusion the apc it does that the

[1:11:20] Trustee Rogers: donation of the land is is they're recommending that we declare that to be the amenity what

[1:11:27] Trustee Rogers: happens to that clause in the section 219 covenant because i sort of i sort of assumed that that

[1:11:32] Trustee Rogers: clause would stay yeah

[1:11:33] Voice 16: no so if they decide that the donation plan is the amenity then you have

[1:11:40] Voice 16: your amenity to provide your your benefit right so once the donation lens is is made well once

[1:11:48] Voice 16: you've subdivided the the donation event lens made and if that's what you've identified to be

[1:11:54] Voice 16: your community amenity then the benefit should be allowed to move forward that's that's the way it

[1:12:01] Voice 16: would i

[1:12:02] Trustee Rogers: mean i'll be frank i'm not sure why we could do that given that we already seem to have

[1:12:08] Trustee Rogers: the housing society and the landowners agreement that they wouldn't start building until we had

[1:12:13] Trustee Rogers: five units and all they really cared about was have a have a sunset clause on that why would we

[1:12:19] Trustee Rogers: well

[1:12:19] Voice 16: you could go in that direction too that's the that's that's the decision to be made right

[1:12:24] Trustee Rogers: so

[1:12:24] Voice 16: the decision to be made is if it's decided that the amenity is the the donation of land

[1:12:31] Voice 16: land, then everything else sort of falls away. You don't need to put any more. I mean, you

[1:12:37] Voice 16: can't, you could, but I guess you could put restrictions on, but, but, but actually, no.

[1:12:43] Voice 16: So if that's being defined as the amenity, then you don't need to be making the restrictions.

[1:12:48] Voice 16: But if you still want to move with like the provision of land, then that clause is still

[1:12:53] Voice 16: worth contemplating. So if you, so basically, if you're saying that the amenity is something

[1:12:59] Voice 16: something other than then the donation of land then you need to define what that other thing is

[1:13:05] Voice 16: and then that's where that clause comes into play because you're needing that thing whatever it's

[1:13:12] Voice 16: defined as to be in place before that because that's what's being defined as the amenity

[1:13:17] Voice 16: to be in place before the um building a lot too forward and so that's where then having a

[1:13:39] Trustee Rogers: I'm sort of thinking about all that simply because I understood that you know where this all arose

[1:13:44] Trustee Rogers: was because we go we don't want just another piece of land that doesn't get built on that's

[1:13:48] Trustee Rogers: zoned appropriately because we've been you've been down this road before and you've left with

[1:13:53] Trustee Rogers: a piece of property and we thought well then you got to build and then you can do what you want

[1:13:56] Trustee Rogers: a lot too and we heard that the owner said no we want a five-year sunset clause after subdivision

[1:14:01] Trustee Rogers: which by the way is really more like a six or seven year clause because

[1:14:05] Trustee Rogers: by the time the

[1:14:05] Trustee Rogers: subdivision goes through it'll be quite quite a period of time or there's five units built

[1:14:10] Trustee Rogers: which actually sound like a pretty good compromise to me um and an appropriate thing to do

[1:14:18] Trustee Rogers: to sort of capture both of those issues so the land is the amenity and best efforts to get

[1:14:23] Trustee Rogers: something built yeah

[1:14:24] Voice 16: well that's it right what you're defining right now is like yes

[1:14:29] Voice 16: and the best efforts right so what's the best efforts and what's that and and if that's the

[1:14:35] Voice 16: way you want to go the land of the end of the end right then you need then you want to keep that

[1:14:40] Voice 16: constant yeah

[1:14:41] Trustee Rogers: okay thanks that was my question i just want to be clear about that i do have a

[1:14:46] Trustee Rogers: question yeah i just want to make sure i understand this and i and i sort of sort of harp on this um

[1:14:51] Trustee Rogers: Um, uh, I, I do, I, trustee Dodds is completely correct.

[1:14:57] Trustee Rogers: It's not, it's accessible housing.

[1:15:00] Trustee Rogers: It's probably a better term and it's housing and affordable housing.

[1:15:05] Trustee Rogers: And we've seen this evolve over the last three or four years with everybody who's applying

[1:15:10] Trustee Rogers: for these projects.

[1:15:11] Trustee Rogers: And you guys have seen it and I've seen it.

[1:15:13] Trustee Rogers: We've all seen it evolve in terms of what that looks like because everybody sort of

[1:15:17] Trustee Rogers: built up a model based on the last Basie housing intake.

[1:15:20] Trustee Rogers: everybody built that model all right and said this is the way we're going to do it it's going

[1:15:25] Trustee Rogers: to be 20 deep subsidy 30 um 50 uh something and then 30 of uh market rental and whatever the 50

[1:15:34] Trustee Rogers: i forget the name of it but anyway and everybody built their proposal on that and then they all

[1:15:39] Trustee Rogers: went oh what if that's not the model anymore from pc housing or what if what if there's not

[1:15:44] Trustee Rogers: enough money because there were so many applicants and so many so many disappointed

[1:15:49] Trustee Rogers: pointed out people that they didn't the money wasn't there they thought we better have some

[1:15:53] Trustee Rogers: flexibility but my understanding at the end of the day is this is all since the trust is in this

[1:15:58] Trustee Rogers: unique scenario right um because we do the zoning and we want to make sure that we're giving if

[1:16:04] Trustee Rogers: we're going to give something up we want to make sure that we're getting something that's a community

[1:16:08] Trustee Rogers: benefit but at the end of the day the real test on on what i would understand that the rents and

[1:16:15] Trustee Rogers: everything else will come from the funder uh not from us and we're basically putting a a framework

[1:16:21] Trustee Rogers: around it and say well whatever it is it can't be more than this in other words you're not going to

[1:16:26] Trustee Rogers: go out and get private cibc financing to build something here because you're on main island

[1:16:32] Trustee Rogers: they're going to charge with the market rent all over the place it's going to be something

[1:16:36] Trustee Rogers: other than that we're trying to build a framework under which you then it's like the sewage we're

[1:16:42] Trustee Rogers: trying to build the framework around the sewage but the province is eventually going to decide

[1:16:45] Trustee Rogers: we try to put some restrictions on the water to make sure that there's something going on there

[1:16:52] Trustee Rogers: some things we do have more control over like the like the water management plan etc etc

[1:16:57] Trustee Rogers: but but we're trying to build the framework but it'll eventually be the province that decides

[1:17:01] Trustee Rogers: whether water licenses grant and i've forgotten whether you have your water license you might

[1:17:05] Trustee Rogers: already and i forgot um and we put the framework around what the housing agreement looks like

[1:17:10] Trustee Rogers: But in effect, what your rents are actually going to look like, it's going to be far more particularly determined by the, at least my understanding, by the funder than by us.

[1:17:20] Trustee Rogers: Am I correct on that?

[1:17:22] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[1:17:22] Trustee Rogers: And I would add to that that this is a venture charity with an express purpose to create affordable rental housing.

[1:17:30] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[1:17:31] Trustee Rogers: All of the bodies that we're looking to are tasked with providing affordable housing.

[1:17:38] Trustee Rogers: So it is affordable and will be affordable.

[1:17:40] Trustee Rogers: So, I'm going to give you a presage of a question I might have if I was sitting in the chairs of some of your neighbors for your CIM, which is, how are you going to work to keep the rents down to what is appropriate for Maine Island?

[1:17:55] Trustee Rogers: How are you going to do that?

[1:17:59] Trustee Rogers: Any of the funding bodies will have maximum LFN levels under which you build the project, but the project has to be sustainable.

[1:18:08] Trustee Rogers: No, there has to be enough income coming in

[1:18:10] Trustee Rogers: to do the annual maintenance to keep this going.

[1:18:14] Trustee Rogers: It's a six-year lifetime in these models.

[1:18:17] Trustee Rogers: So it has to be a coherent financial structure

[1:18:21] Trustee Rogers: that has stability over time.

[1:18:22] Trustee Rogers: We see housing, many of the projects

[1:18:25] Trustee Rogers: with operating grants and bridge that gap.

[1:18:29] Trustee Rogers: And because they give a substantial capital contribution

[1:18:32] Trustee Rogers: up front, the instance to rent two sheltering units,

[1:18:38] Trustee Rogers: five rent year to income, more than 30% taxable, and two at low market or

[1:18:44] Trustee Rogers: below market rates, but at low or below market rates.

[1:18:49] Trustee Rogers: So that package of rents is intended to create enough income,

[1:18:53] Trustee Rogers: perhaps with an operating system to make the entire system viable.

[1:19:01] Trustee Rogers: And that's what we're looking for.

[1:19:03] It will be as low as it can be, and it will be lower than it could be under any

[1:19:07] Voice 15: any kind of product other than something just building it and getting away right any other

[1:19:19] Voice 15: questions i have another one

[1:19:20] Trustee Rogers: go ahead trustee one of the issues that we've

[1:19:24] Trustee Maude: heard time have again

[1:19:25] Trustee Rogers: and

[1:19:25] Trustee Maude: seen video of is a surface water issue i just wanted to know if the planners felt that

[1:19:33] the reports have been received

[1:19:34] Trustee Maude: and the wording that we have here is that belt and braces enough

[1:19:39] Trustee Maude: left to do to sort of give neighbors reassurance that their interests are going to be protected

[1:19:45] Trustee Maude: or do we need more so

[1:19:47] Voice 16: um i'm not an expert in these in that area right so so what staff relies

[1:19:54] Voice 16: on the reports that we've received um and we do um get opinions from um people that do have

[1:20:02] Voice 16: of expertise so based on um you know what we've looked at um it appears that there is a fair

[1:20:13] Voice 16: amount of due diligence being done to address that issue um i think there's other there's

[1:20:20] Voice 16: other considerations that i think need to be looked at as part of moving forward and um

[1:20:26] Voice 16: part of this is that that runoff those culverts are

[1:20:34] Voice 16: responsible too. So there's some other aspects to that to addressing that issue that are, I think, beyond the property owner.

[1:20:44] Voice 16: And those considerations, those discussions with the province will also need to be had if that issue is going to be effectively addressed.

[1:20:53] Voice 16: uh i mean i understand that you know runoff issues are are you know came came to light

[1:21:01] Voice 16: quite um severely this year on a number of problems um and uh and i think you know again

[1:21:10] Voice 16: there needs to be some discussion with the comments um and this one there's so many parties

[1:21:19] Voice 16: involved go ahead

[1:21:21] Voice 15: trustee can

[1:21:23] Voice 13: we formally do you need a motion can we request that you actually

[1:21:27] Voice 13: write to or invest or ask the ministry of transport what their position is on their water

[1:21:34] Voice 13: flow and in terms of the subdivision process of what the requirements are during separation

[1:21:40] Voice 13: process to who's going to feel because the reality is that water is coming from a park not specifically

[1:21:46] Voice 13: this is a receiving area so do you need a motion to do that um

[1:21:51] Voice 1: before i see you okay

[1:21:55] Voice 13: our planner to uh have a dialogue with the ministry of transport over surface water concerns

[1:22:03] Voice 13: from mount park onto the proposed mainland housing property

[1:22:10] Voice 15: prior

[1:22:11] Voice 13: to October 24.

[1:22:16] Voice 10: I'm not planning to speak with the Ministry of Transportation regarding surface water concerns

[1:22:21] Voice 10: off Mount Park onto

[1:22:24] Voice 13: the proposed

[1:22:25] Voice 13: Main Island Housing Resolving prior

[1:22:29] Voice 13: to October 24.

[1:22:31] Trustee Rogers: Your thinking is that she could report

[1:22:33] Trustee Rogers: Well, it would

[1:22:33] Voice 13: be nice to know. I think this is sort of being the elephant in the room

[1:22:36] Voice 13: in many many ways all along we should have done this sooner i think they should have something

[1:22:42] Voice 13: to say about it basically it's their water in their ditch coming across the road october

[1:23:00] Voice 10: i'm planning to speak with ministry of transportation regarding surface water

[1:23:04] Voice 10: concerns off mount park onto proposed mainland mainland housing society site

[1:23:09] Voice 10: site and report prior to october 24th yes

[1:23:14] Trustee Rogers: thank you so is that doable it depends um

[1:23:19] Trustee Rogers: yeah i know

[1:23:20] Voice 8: i know it's

[1:23:21] Voice 16: always difficult when they're i'll start trying to get along with this this week

[1:23:25] Trustee Rogers: is there before we have a discussion is there a second second i i'll just say what i'd be

[1:23:32] Trustee Rogers: interested in knowing as well is because i heard someone say something and maybe it was

[1:23:37] Trustee Rogers: you planner chatwick is that when the subdivision process goes on one of the things that the

[1:23:41] Trustee Rogers: eloni takes into account is how is surface water going to be managed on once the property is

[1:23:47] Trustee Rogers: subdivided now often that's because they're going to see development et cetera et cetera but i

[1:23:52] Trustee Rogers: wondered whether this is does the culvert come under the road as opposed to and there's not a

[1:23:57] Trustee Rogers: ditch that takes it somewhere down the road there i guess that that's the problem that's what i

[1:24:01] Voice 16: understand i mean i don't stand on the bottom but the two

[1:24:06] Trustee Rogers: culprits in question are not

[1:24:09] Trustee Rogers: directed onto lot three they're directing them but you would imagine profit

[1:24:13] Trustee Rogers: they subsequently flow down the property and somewhere actually beyond the area where the

[1:24:20] Trustee Rogers: development is intended to occur it spreads out and tends to also across lot three but initially

[1:24:27] Trustee Rogers: initially it's on the sides of lot three right I think I remember that one of those piece of

[1:24:32] Trustee Rogers: correspondence that it comes on there and that and then again on lot two well what's not what's

[1:24:38] Trustee Rogers: not locked to the middle of the current lot yeah what will be is proposed to be locked too that's

[1:24:43] Trustee Rogers: right it's an interesting way to deal with

[1:24:46] Trustee Rogers: the water well

[1:24:47] Voice 13: because the road was a cow trailer

[1:24:50] Voice 13: originally yeah of course

[1:24:52] Voice 13: and and having

[1:24:53] Trustee Rogers: something like all island development and it all started

[1:24:56] Trustee Rogers: being a

[1:24:57] Voice 13: subdivider developer um i do know that one of the requirements when i subdivided was that i

[1:25:02] Voice 13: was responsible for the water coming onto my property and looking after that water and i had

[1:25:07] Voice 13: to pay for a culvert under campbell bay road because that was my responsibility so i suspect

[1:25:12] Voice 13: that that we need to know whether that's still in case and you know also that they bring down

[1:25:18] Voice 13: a substantial amount of water they should take some responsibility for perhaps changing the

[1:25:23] Voice 13: ditching which they ignore all our roads yeah so

[1:25:29] Trustee Rogers: i have another question about this issue and this

[1:25:32] Trustee Rogers: is either for the planner or for the applicant i don't i don't really care is i i've heard

[1:25:38] Trustee Rogers: well i heard within both in a written submission that we got and i also heard referenced here today

[1:25:46] Trustee Rogers: that and i have if it's happened i haven't picked up on that somehow what's included in the covenant

[1:25:52] Trustee Rogers: is not as strict as what's in the water management report and the recommendations from the water

[1:25:57] Trustee Rogers: management plan and that wasn't my understanding but i figured so i'd like if anybody can yeah

[1:26:02] Trustee Rogers: when we did the remediation

[1:26:07] Trustee Rogers: and the consultant looked at the whole 10 acre lot

[1:26:15] Trustee Rogers: and not merely at the area that we were concerned with,

[1:26:19] Trustee Rogers: which is lot three.

[1:26:21] Trustee Rogers: We agreed with cooperation to remediate also on lot two

[1:26:26] Trustee Rogers: as an extra expense for the societies,

[1:26:29] Trustee Rogers: but Sean McHugh was not agreeable

[1:26:32] Trustee Rogers: to doing any further work on lot one

[1:26:35] Trustee Rogers: or have one of his own,

[1:26:37] Trustee Rogers: was specifically what they were but the planners the remediation stuff was report covered a larger

[1:26:44] Trustee Rogers: area but what we committed to doing is the remediation that was recommended on lot three

[1:26:49] Trustee Rogers: and that's undiluted and we additionally committed to doing the remediation a lot too which was

[1:26:54] Trustee Rogers: voluntary and extra so and also

[1:26:57] Trustee Rogers: undiluted as you use the word as far as i can see right yeah so

[1:27:03] Voice 11: what

[1:27:03] Trustee Rogers: sorry go ahead sorry

[1:27:04] Voice 11: there was a little bit of revision to the planning for lot two

[1:27:10] Voice 11: and we actually have a letter and submitted a letter because we we had discussed it with

[1:27:17] Voice 11: uh the remediation specialist around the changes to her larger plan with with the smaller plan that

[1:27:25] Voice 11: was agreeable to the donor and got her opinion as to whether or not it was worthwhile to proceed in

[1:27:31] Voice 11: that way and i we submitted a letter to you i don't believe i've seen it

[1:27:34] Trustee Rogers: i think that letter

[1:27:35] Trustee Rogers: is referenced in one of those yeah

[1:27:38] Voice 11: it's it's rare for us the

[1:27:41] Trustee Rogers: plan together with the letters

[1:27:43] Trustee Rogers: referenced as a package right is a letter followed by a month or two from the original provision

[1:27:49] Trustee Rogers: right no i know i knew there was work because the whole area is part of that's called

[1:27:58] Trustee Rogers: is is also a water protection zone or something like that and um but i i just was curious because

[1:28:06] Trustee Rogers: i heard that comment and and i didn't i wanted to give you an opportunity first of all to address it

[1:28:11] Trustee Rogers: and second of all to i mean

[1:28:13] Voice 11: one of the one of the reasons why dr mcu didn't want to have any

[1:28:17] Voice 11: radiation on his lot one was that he had done some ditching uh to drain the pond on the neighbor's lot

[1:28:26] Voice 11: lot and that was that was in there and he didn't want to have any changes to that ditching that was

[1:28:32] Voice 11: to um manage some overflow water uh and it goes underneath his driveway and North so that was one

[1:28:42] Voice 11: of the things he didn't want to have any changes to what he had already done on his own property

[1:28:49] Voice 11: which was done in collaboration with his neighbor okay

[1:28:53] Trustee Rogers: so what we know is is that it doesn't cover

[1:28:56] Trustee Rogers: the block the proposed lot one but it is as far as you know or and i guess entering the planner

[1:29:04] Trustee Rogers: is because i've heard it's it's less protective than the water management report that's relation

[1:29:08] Trustee Rogers: to the the um removal of lot one from the from the the covenant is that am i getting that correctly

[1:29:18] Trustee Rogers: it was never in such a company

[1:29:19] Voice 16: yes right yes

[1:29:22] Voice 16: yeah

[1:29:23] Trustee Rogers: yeah go ahead trust you um

[1:29:24] Trustee Maude: we never voted on the motion oh oh

[1:29:29] Voice 15: you're

[1:29:31] Trustee Rogers: absolutely right i got

[1:29:32] Trustee Rogers: things i got sorry i'm just

[1:29:34] Voice 15: gonna bring it down yeah

[1:29:35] Trustee Rogers: yeah sorry i'm sorry i got distracted

[1:29:37] Trustee Rogers: um

[1:29:38] Voice 15: so

[1:29:40] Trustee Rogers: we got the motion about the planner let's go is there any further conversation

[1:29:45] Trustee Rogers: Okay, all favor that passes, you're right I started to talk more about water, because I mean it's pretty clear that you know water runoff is

[1:29:57] Trustee Rogers: the big issue.

[1:30:00] Trustee Rogers: the biggest

[1:30:00] Trustee Rogers: and the biggest issue for the neighbors down the hill and for obvious reasons and um

[1:30:09] but that's that's that's i want to be as sure as they possibly could be about those things

[1:30:15] so one of the questions i have is is previously brought up quite a few issues

[1:30:21] of

[1:30:22] Trustee Maude: an infringement on the setbacks well on his property and such is there any way that we're

[1:30:28] Trustee Maude: dealing with that in this process or is that just totally off our radar well i

[1:30:33] Voice 16: mean all those

[1:30:34] Voice 16: aspects are very separate to this this decision so if if those if those need to be pursued there

[1:30:42] Voice 16: are other avenues for for those we've

[1:30:46] Voice 4: got to get clarification on a

[1:30:47] Voice 16: comment uh

[1:30:48] Trustee Rogers: uh just hold on a

[1:30:50] Trustee Rogers: second you go are you okay if you ask a question yeah i

[1:30:55] Voice 4: just earlier in this conversation thank you

[1:30:56] Voice 4: The driveway was brought up, and that seems to be a shifting target as to whether the driveway going through lot one is going to be used to access this development on lot two.

[1:31:06] Trustee Rogers: Not this development.

[1:31:07] Voice 4: Well,

[1:31:08] Trustee Rogers: lot two is the developments on lot three.

[1:31:11] Voice 4: Okay, so I'm putting a clarification on the comment earlier about the lot one driveway being used for access.

[1:31:18] Voice 4: To lot two.

[1:31:20] Voice 4: okay but to be clear that driveways among the uh concerns uh that driveway crosses our land without

[1:31:27] Voice 4: amusement and uh i think that's something we'll need to resolve if that's part of the submission

[1:31:32] Voice 4: process

[1:31:33] Voice 13: and we don't so we see to me it's kind of a chicken and anything i think to me in the

[1:31:41] Voice 13: subdivision process obviously an easement for the access to lot two would have to be negotiated and

[1:31:50] Voice 13: obviously if there's a trespass into your property i'm speaking with everyone but is that not is that

[1:31:56] Voice 13: is that part of the rezoning or part of the subdivision i think is that part of our

[1:32:00] Voice 13: jurisdiction or is that part of the subdivision jurisdiction the uh the easement that

[1:32:07] Voice 16: will be

[1:32:08] Voice 16: addressed during the subdivision um because the access needs to be uh yeah and the

[1:32:15] Voice 11: access from

[1:32:17] Voice 11: the driveway is at a location that the driveway is all the way out not to or not encroached on the

[1:32:24] Voice 11: neighbors yeah okay

[1:32:26] Voice 8: so one

[1:32:27] Voice 15: issue it's not a lot but

[1:32:29] Voice 13: just for clarification to me what the trust

[1:32:33] Voice 13: committee would be saying that or we would be there again passing another motion either before

[1:32:38] Voice 13: before or after the proposed resumption of public hearing and all that is to request I mean we do

[1:32:47] Voice 13: have a responsibility we can't actually remediate that trespass that's happening that's not within

[1:32:53] Voice 13: our jurisdiction but would we not then be sending a letter to motif statement or some or supporting

[1:33:24] Voice 13: So it's not part of a rezoning is not part of the housing agreement but is part of the

[1:33:29] Voice 13: next step where the trust committee has to approve the actual subdivision which would be after a

[1:33:36] Voice 13: rezone if it happens chicken and a quick

[1:33:38] Voice 4: response a few red flags here this is a recurring theme i

[1:33:42] Voice 4: think the applicant just said that's a problem for law one it's not our problem because we can

[1:33:45] still get to learn i think this

[1:33:47] Voice 4: proposal will leave the owner of this property without a well

[1:33:52] Voice 4: without a driveway um and without any known uh payer for this conservation work i think they're

[1:34:00] Voice 4: offloading all of that responsibility to allow themselves to at least develop you know the

[1:34:05] Voice 4: McHugh family to be done and i think we've

[1:34:08] Trustee Rogers: heard that time and time again okay we're gonna i'm

[1:34:10] Trustee Rogers: gonna stop you right there because i don't think that's appropriate commentary about what we're

[1:34:14] Trustee Rogers: talking about you asked a question we allowed you to intervene we're gonna have a town hall

[1:34:19] Trustee Rogers: in a moment again you can address it again thanks um so uh where were we um okay so i i have another

[1:34:31] Trustee Rogers: question about the housing agreement um and it i because i want to take this back to the proposed

[1:34:38] Trustee Rogers: motion so once we've had our questions answered so why why are you recommending we give the housing

[1:34:45] Trustee Rogers: agreement third reading rather than to hold that back until we've actually had the public hearing

[1:34:52] Voice 16: um so i would say the recommendations are here um to really stimulate the discussion that we're

[1:35:00] Voice 16: having um so that we really um you know uh to sort of identify a target basically i mean with every

[1:35:10] Voice 16: with everyone that's here essentially right we're working on three different things right so that

[1:35:15] Voice 16: that that's why it's been just very clear in that direction. So

[1:35:18] Voice 16: that this discussion would would happen. Okay.

[1:35:23] Trustee Rogers: So let's do these. Okay, I don't want to stop the trustees from

[1:35:27] Trustee Rogers: asking questions of either the applicant. And I actually I

[1:35:30] Trustee Rogers: haven't invited the applicant to comment on the staff report yet.

[1:35:34] Trustee Rogers: We've sort of turned to questions. Do you have any

[1:35:36] Trustee Rogers: particular commentary regarding the staff report before we go

[1:35:40] Trustee Rogers: into our discussion about the recommended motion?

[1:35:46] Trustee Rogers: sure the

[1:35:49] Trustee Rogers: main island housing society would like to thank the advisor planning

[1:35:54] Trustee Rogers: and commission for their efforts on very short notice to address the question of what constitutes

[1:36:00] Trustee Rogers: the community we'd also like to acknowledge planners chadwick's efforts to incorporate

[1:36:05] Trustee Rogers: those conclusions and to recommend a path forward for the group list before the end of term

[1:36:13] Trustee Rogers: The Housing Society is in agreement with the recommendations being put forward by the plan.

[1:36:18] Trustee Rogers: Our position is that the definition of the plan is the amenity, and we concur that once the donation is in hand, the amenity to the community has been provided.

[1:36:28] Trustee Rogers: There need not be any additional restrictions on building a lot, too.

[1:36:32] Trustee Rogers: This recommendation will provide the security the donor requires and recognizes the goodwill of the donor and his family.

[1:36:39] Trustee Rogers: So while there have been concerns expressed from the neighbors about the impact of development

[1:36:47] Trustee Rogers: on the land, all of the work on this project has been and will continue to be informed

[1:36:53] Trustee Rogers: by the work of experienced professionals.

[1:36:56] Trustee Rogers: These concerns have been expressed with energy and a considerable level of detail.

[1:37:00] Trustee Rogers: However, none of the ways in which these concerns have been expressed will solve the problem.

[1:37:06] Trustee Rogers: remaining in the status quo means that it continues to be an overland water issue

[1:37:14] Trustee Rogers: what we're endeavoring to do is to build a development with the least possible

[1:37:17] Trustee Rogers: impact and with the benefit of improving the quality of the land

[1:37:26] Trustee Rogers: there's broad community support for this project there's been several hundred letters addressed

[1:37:31] Trustee Rogers: in the ltc's report 224 people signed the petition submitted in may of this year

[1:37:37] Trustee Rogers: we have strong membership support we've raised tens of thousands of dollars in direct community

[1:37:42] Trustee Rogers: support in addition we've received support from multiple levels of government federal provincial

[1:37:46] Trustee Rogers: and at the crd level there's a recognition from all levels of government that the need for

[1:37:52] Trustee Rogers: affordable housing is urgent in fact reaching a crisis level and without the land there will

[1:37:57] Trustee Rogers: be no housing we ask the laws of trust to make this happen before the end of term the rezoning

[1:38:04] Trustee Rogers: have been under consideration for one to two years and a lot of time and effort has been expanded

[1:38:10] Trustee Rogers: a lot of deliberation and discussion both in front of the LCC and other venues

[1:38:15] Trustee Rogers: these discussions have resulted in changes and improvements to the plans the housing society

[1:38:20] Trustee Rogers: put forward we believe that submission energy deliberation and configuration has been done

[1:38:25] Trustee Rogers: to support following through with the rezoning so

[1:38:29] Voice 15: the need is urgent and clear

[1:38:43] Trustee Rogers: We'd like to make clear that the wording in the housing agreement is intended to accommodate

[1:38:47] Trustee Rogers: the requirements of all the various funding bodies that may be part of the project in

[1:38:51] Trustee Rogers: the future.

[1:38:52] Trustee Rogers: All of those funders are committed to the provision of affordable housing and they will

[1:38:56] Trustee Rogers: place additional restrictions on both the operations and the rental rates for housing.

[1:39:00] Trustee Rogers: housing. Islands Trust staff, including at least two planners, drafted the housing agreement.

[1:39:07] Trustee Rogers: It's been reviewed by Islands Trust legal and substantially the same housing agreement

[1:39:11] Trustee Rogers: that you pointed out, Chair Rogers, that's passed approval on Galliano.

[1:39:17] Voice 15: The housing will

[1:39:18] Voice 15: be afforded.

[1:39:24] Voice 15: Anything else?

[1:39:25] Voice 11: No, thanks.

[1:39:26] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:39:28] Trustee Rogers: Thanks. So, trustees, how would you like to, there's a number of issues that you'd like

[1:39:33] Trustee Rogers: can move through some of the recommendations or how would you like to do it there's another

[1:39:37] Trustee Rogers: question well

[1:39:38] Trustee Maude: i just like my question was just following what you said is we're basically doing

[1:39:41] Trustee Maude: three three readings here well

[1:39:43] Trustee Rogers: that's the recommendation and

[1:39:44] Trustee Maude: i it's just because profit

[1:39:47] Trustee Maude: has been doing first reading pause and so i just was wondering what what the rationale was for the

[1:39:54] Trustee Maude: i mean

[1:39:55] Voice 16: these are all written with the intention of moving the process forward before the end of

[1:40:01] Voice 16: term so and then and there are really three there's three decision points one is related to

[1:40:08] Voice 16: the um the housing agreement one is related to the definition of amenity um and the other one

[1:40:15] Voice 16: is around the timing of the cim in the public hearing so those are the critical decision

[1:40:25] Voice 16: points in this process so right um so

[1:40:28] Voice 15: sorry

[1:40:29] Voice 16: and i'll just i'll just also mention that um

[1:40:32] Voice 16: that there was a resolution past previous LTC meeting that there's an interest to have the

[1:40:38] Voice 16: housing agreement and the covenant final drafts before the public hearing which

[1:40:47] Trustee Rogers: we we have but

[1:40:48] Voice 16: we

[1:40:49] Trustee Rogers: don't have to my sense it would be that we don't have to give it three readings we might

[1:40:53] Voice 16: give it

[1:40:54] Trustee Rogers: one we might give it two or

[1:40:55] Voice 16: you could just endorse it or

[1:40:56] Trustee Rogers: you could just endorse it and then

[1:40:58] Trustee Rogers: give the readings later or whatever you whatever it is but i it's what i my intention would always

[1:41:05] Trustee Rogers: be to have the housing agreement and the 219 covenant as complete as they possibly could be

[1:41:10] Trustee Rogers: before you go to public here yes so anyway you you look like you're ready to make well

[1:41:15] Voice 13: i don't need to make that so i'm just wondering about designated anyways i move that the main

[1:41:21] Voice 13: island local trust committee accept the draft housing agreement associated with marz 2020.1

[1:41:28] Voice 13: main island housing society and designate the chair of the local trust committee to sign the

[1:41:33] Voice 13: housing agreement okay

[1:41:36] Trustee Rogers: uh that's been moved is there a seconder right

[1:41:40] Voice 15: yeah yes

[1:41:44] Trustee Rogers: okay discussion

[1:41:48] Trustee Rogers: do you have anything to speak to your motion no no unless

[1:41:51] Voice 13: somebody who has some substantial change

[1:41:55] Voice 13: change to the actual housing agreement and I don't see any need for any changes okay

[1:42:01] Trustee Rogers: uh anything from

[1:42:04] Trustee Rogers: you trustee before I call the vote if

[1:42:05] Trustee Maude: that's if we're if that part of the program is put to bed

[1:42:13] Trustee Maude: nobody else has any other thoughts as to tinker

[1:42:20] Trustee Maude: term so i i'm assuming that we're

[1:42:24] Trustee Rogers: we're done with that part of the program well subject to

[1:42:27] Trustee Rogers: what we might hear in a public hearing and deciding you might want to change it because

[1:42:31] Trustee Rogers: we heard something yeah because

[1:42:33] Trustee Rogers: i mean that's the thing at

[1:42:35] Voice 16: least we have a format to then take

[1:42:38] Voice 16: right

[1:42:38] Trustee Rogers: so that's the i think that's the way i read because it says accept the draft housing

[1:42:49] Trustee Maude: Yeah, you

[1:42:50] Trustee Rogers: know the only the only question I have about that is logistical procedural

[1:42:54] Trustee Rogers: ones this is if somehow or other, it doesn't

[1:42:57] Voice 15: the chair, and so yeah that's going to be

[1:43:02] Trustee Maude: so but that's the thing is, to me, that leads to what we're putting us to bed.

[1:43:10] Voice 13: It will be part of the public hearing. I mean, obviously,

[1:43:15] Voice 13: if all the different steps don't fit together then this falls if

[1:43:19] Trustee Rogers: that's a concern of yours we could

[1:43:20] Trustee Rogers: just end it after where mihs is in brackets and we could at some point once we've given it three

[1:43:27] Trustee Rogers: readings designates who should sign it so we could leave that but

[1:43:31] Voice 13: no matter what traditionally the

[1:43:33] Voice 13: chair would say so i think but

[1:43:35] Trustee Maude: the thing is is it it's it reads to me um the chair would sign it

[1:43:40] Trustee Maude: one more oh no but

[1:43:42] Voice 15: that's good yeah but

[1:43:45] Trustee Maude: that's that's just my yeah we're

[1:43:48] Voice 13: just designating the

[1:43:49] Voice 13: chair

[1:43:49] Trustee Rogers: so what if we added the words after adoption yeah that's good

[1:43:55] Trustee Rogers: or after adoption of bylaw 182

[1:44:00] Trustee Rogers: because it becomes part of a bylaw so

[1:44:04] Voice 13: sorry you said the trust counts i know but i just

[1:44:07] Voice 13: want i want trustee

[1:44:08] Voice 13: mohan to be comfortable that we're not saying this is the end of the process

[1:44:11] Voice 13: sorry what was that after adoption of

[1:44:13] Trustee Rogers: bylaw number 182. okay good

[1:44:16] Trustee Maude: point but but then 82. the next

[1:44:19] Trustee Maude: four steps are the adoption of

[1:44:21] Trustee Rogers: 182. yeah but that's why i asked the question do we really

[1:44:25] Trustee Rogers: need to give it through the reading i'm not really comfortable giving it third reading

[1:44:29] Trustee Rogers: right

[1:44:29] Voice 13: okay so

[1:44:32] Trustee Rogers: so if we add the words to sign the housing agreement after adoption

[1:44:36] Trustee Rogers: option of bylaw number 182. Does that work plan of China?

[1:44:40] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[1:44:41] Trustee Rogers: Okay. You got that. So that's been amended.

[1:44:44] Trustee Rogers: So the amended motion, I'll call a vote on that.

[1:44:48] Trustee Rogers: I won't. And that passes.

[1:44:50] Trustee Rogers: So we're going to, I think the plan is now you're going to

[1:44:53] Trustee Rogers: move two and three, but not four.

[1:44:55] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[1:44:55] Voice 13: Cool.

[1:44:56] Voice 13: So I move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee

[1:44:58] Voice 13: bylaw number 182 cited as Main Island Housing Agreement

[1:45:01] Voice 13: bylaw number 182, 2022 be read for the first time.

[1:45:05] Voice 13: is

[1:45:06] Voice 2: there a second here okay not

[1:45:07] Voice 2: any discussion all in favor that passes unanimously that's the

[1:45:11] Voice 2: third motion move

[1:45:12] Voice 13: that the main island local trust committee bylaw number 182 cited just

[1:45:16] Voice 13: made island housing agreement bylaw number 182 2022 be read for a second time okay that's been

[1:45:22] Trustee Rogers: seconded and then we'll let's call the vote that passes so then four and five become i'm not on our

[1:45:29] Trustee Rogers: agenda okay

[1:45:30] Voice 13: so

[1:45:31] Trustee Rogers: now number six okay

[1:45:33] Voice 13: i'll move that the main island local trust committee considers

[1:45:35] Voice 13: that the donation of the proposed lot three to represent an amenity under our os our official

[1:45:42] Voice 13: community plan policy 2.10.2 okay

[1:45:47] Voice 2: sir secondary i'll second okay and you have some considerations

[1:45:51] Voice 2: so go ahead well

[1:45:52] Trustee Maude: it is the only thing is the only reason i'd be voting with for this is because it's

[1:45:59] Trustee Maude: a recommendation from the agency uh because i i still i just the amenity to me is the housing

[1:46:11] Trustee Maude: so now let me let trust

[1:46:15] Trustee Rogers: you no that's just kind of done yeah okay

[1:46:17] Trustee Rogers: the

[1:46:18] Voice 13: recommendation actually was from the apc was then to put a five-year limit on it but also the

[1:46:25] Voice 13: other recommendation was to um the construction of lot two couldn't occur until at least five years

[1:46:31] Voice 13: as a housing were built so how does that fit into this so if we say yes the land is the amenity how

[1:46:37] Voice 13: do we put in can we still put in

[1:46:40] Voice 16: well this is where i think if you i think i think i think you

[1:46:44] Voice 16: need to say and okay sorry and

[1:46:47] Trustee Rogers: is that does the language and best efforts mean or something or

[1:46:51] Trustee Rogers: what do we say well

[1:46:51] Voice 13: if you say best efforts made you need to define what those are to represent

[1:46:56] Voice 13: percent in amenity under provided five units of housing are constructed provided but because

[1:47:05] Trustee Rogers: this is sort of a combination of

[1:47:07] Trustee Rogers: five years and five units

[1:47:08] Voice 13: right whichever occurs first

[1:47:10] Voice 13: and uh you know in all fairness after five years which is actually going to be more than seven or

[1:47:16] Voice 13: eight so yeah

[1:47:19] Voice 16: um yeah

[1:47:20] Voice 15: um go ahead yeah

[1:47:22] Voice 16: so i think i think what you're suggesting is

[1:47:26] Voice 16: is is really what's already there which is i think it says five years

[1:47:30] Voice 16: what

[1:47:31] Trustee Rogers: i want to do is is find a way to make this motion work

[1:47:36] Trustee Rogers: but section 18 stay in the covenant that's what i'm trying to figure out how to do this

[1:47:41] Voice 16: okay so

[1:47:42] Voice 16: so this is this is what there's coming back that that what i'm hearing is you want you want the

[1:47:48] Voice 16: be yes, the donation of land and, and five units is what you

[1:47:54] Voice 16: want to see before allowing the development on lot two to move

[1:47:59] Voice 16: forward. And keep keeping in the clause that that

[1:48:03] Voice 13: it couldn't actually rather than any until issuance of a building

[1:48:09] Voice 13: permit. Okay, until issuance of a building permit, which may be

[1:48:17] Voice 13: for one unit but it's the fact that there would actually be a building permit would that work

[1:48:23] Voice 16: we're looking at that clause 18. uh

[1:48:25] Trustee Rogers: well you

[1:48:29] Voice 14: mean final occupancy no no no no

[1:48:32] Trustee Rogers: building she meant really it

[1:48:34] Voice 13: should be a building

[1:48:35] Trustee Rogers: permit maybe for well

[1:48:36] Trustee Rogers: what if we said something

[1:48:38] Trustee Rogers: like this um that the mine island which are considers the donation of the proposed lot three

[1:48:44] Trustee Rogers: combined with best efforts on construction consistent with section 18 of the draft section

[1:48:52] Trustee Rogers: 219 covenant i'm being serious

[1:48:55] Voice 8: i mean this is

[1:48:56] Trustee Rogers: only a motion this isn't a formal document

[1:48:58] Trustee Rogers: uh represent an amenity under ocp policy

[1:49:02] Trustee Rogers: 210.2 right because

[1:49:04] Voice 13: number seven goes into more detail

[1:49:05] Voice 13: right okay well actually

[1:49:07] Trustee Rogers: we would drop this right okay so

[1:49:10] Voice 13: that combined so you have to say that

[1:49:11] Voice 13: again so

[1:49:11] Trustee Rogers: it would be that the main island local trust committee considers that the donation of

[1:49:17] Trustee Rogers: the proposed lot three

[1:49:19] Voice 13: combined

[1:49:20] Trustee Rogers: with best efforts to construct pursuant to section 18

[1:49:29] Trustee Rogers: of the draft section 219 covenant are you with

[1:49:35] Voice 10: me pursuant to section 18

[1:49:40] Trustee Rogers: Section 219 Covenant

[1:49:42] Voice 10: represent an

[1:49:47] Trustee Rogers: amenity under OCP policy 210.2 okay

[1:49:51] Voice 10: so that's so that's

[1:49:54] Trustee Rogers: I just want to

[1:49:55] Trustee Rogers: make sure that Planner Chadwick thinks that works

[1:50:00] Voice 16: yeah no I mean so what I'm hearing is you yes so you're saying that's efforts basically as

[1:50:07] Voice 16: identified in uh in section 18 so you are saying best efforts to you're you're essentially saying

[1:50:16] Voice 16: we would like to see five units as defined here and you're supporting the notion of if there isn't

[1:50:24] Voice 16: five units within five years then then that's positive yeah correct yeah

[1:50:28] Voice 16: i think that

[1:50:29] Trustee Rogers: that's

[1:50:30] Trustee Rogers: my intention is that

[1:50:32] Trustee Rogers: i have understood that the landowner says said five years they want to be

[1:50:38] Trustee Rogers: able to do something over five units whichever happens first the covenant the restriction comes

[1:50:43] Trustee Rogers: off and they can develop a lot too that's that's what i and i i i thought that was a reasonable

[1:50:50] Trustee Rogers: compromise yeah and that satisfied us and satisfied the landowner and satisfied the main

[1:50:59] Trustee Rogers: island housing society and also puts us in a position where they get units built in the next

[1:51:05] Trustee Rogers: three years then that cut that restriction goes away and we get both ends of the piece

[1:51:11] Trustee Rogers: anyway that's what i thought worked i hope that works that

[1:51:14] Voice 13: works yep i'm happy with your emotion

[1:51:17] Trustee Rogers: okay so it's a little complicated

[1:51:19] Trustee Rogers: but i think because this is not the formal document that

[1:51:22] Trustee Rogers: will work okay you got it okay

[1:51:25] Voice 10: that the main island trust committee considered the donation

[1:51:28] Voice 10: of the proposed lot three combined with best efforts

[1:51:32] Voice 10: to construct pursuant to section 18 from the draft,

[1:51:35] Voice 10: section 219 covenant represent an amenity

[1:51:38] Voice 10: under OCP policy 2.10.2.

[1:51:41] Trustee Rogers: Correct.

[1:51:42] Voice 10: Okay,

[1:51:42] Trustee Rogers: so that's been, I guess.

[1:51:44] Trustee Rogers: I moved it.

[1:51:45] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:51:45] Trustee Rogers: And David spoke it.

[1:51:46] Trustee Rogers: Okay, and so, and I hear you, David Vaughn,

[1:51:51] Trustee Rogers: you can put in the minutes if you want that you're doing

[1:51:55] Trustee Rogers: because the APC has recommended it, then I hear you.

[1:51:57] Trustee Rogers: okay so i'll call them anything further all in favor thanks okay

[1:52:02] Voice 13: so then i don't think we need

[1:52:03] Trustee Rogers: seven do we no

[1:52:05] Voice 13: no so now i move me in a local trust committee request staff to organize a

[1:52:09] Voice 13: special meeting via zoom to review and endorse the updated um 219 covenant prior to the prior

[1:52:17] Voice 13: to the community information meeting well do we need that no we don't

[1:52:21] Voice 13: need that now okay

[1:52:21] Voice 10: can't make any updates well the

[1:52:25] Trustee Rogers: only one is what about the question from uh uh trustee maude about

[1:52:29] Trustee Rogers: the driveway and the the easement in there

[1:52:32] Voice 15: that would

[1:52:33] Trustee Rogers: be the only thing that that we might want

[1:52:36] Trustee Rogers: to well it's not just finding out it's also about um you wanted to see something in the 219 covenant

[1:52:42] Trustee Rogers: about that was how section how lot two was going to be accessed which causes the issue about the

[1:52:48] Trustee Rogers: driveway being potentially encroaching on somebody else's property um which never happens on an

[1:52:57] Trustee Rogers: island

[1:52:57] Voice 8: that's

[1:52:58] Trustee Rogers: right sorry i don't mean to make a light of it i've just it's i've had so many

[1:53:04] Trustee Rogers: scenarios people build on the road allowance um so i'm sorry

[1:53:09] Trustee Rogers: go ahead yes

[1:53:10] Voice 16: so the um the resolution

[1:53:12] Voice 16: to reflect the interest of that specific interest.

[1:53:18] Trustee Rogers: Yes, we should have a motion related to that, right?

[1:53:20] Voice 16: Do

[1:53:21] Trustee Rogers: you want to make a motion related to that, David?

[1:53:24] Voice 15: Are

[1:53:25] Trustee Maude: you investigating or are you putting it in?

[1:53:30] Trustee Maude: What's the appropriate wording?

[1:53:33] Voice 16: Yeah, I will investigate and I would say update

[1:53:41] Voice 16: Covenant does require. Oh, okay.

[1:53:43] Trustee Maude: That's not what works.

[1:53:45] Voice 16: It works

[1:53:46] Trustee Maude: for me. So request

[1:53:47] Trustee Maude: the plan to investigate and update

[1:53:49] Voice 13: the

[1:53:50] Trustee Maude: covenant is required.

[1:53:51] Trustee Maude: It's

[1:53:52] Voice 13: covenant if required.

[1:53:53] Trustee Rogers: If required as related to

[1:53:55] Trustee Rogers: the easement access

[1:53:57] Trustee Rogers: to lot, potential lot too.

[1:53:59] Trustee Rogers: And I'll second that.

[1:54:01] Trustee Rogers: Did you get that one? I'm not

[1:54:03] Voice 10: 100% sure. Just a second.

[1:54:06] Voice 10: Really?

[1:54:09] Voice 10: Is it driveway easement?

[1:54:12] Voice 10: is that uh

[1:54:13] Trustee Rogers: the easement uh for a lot for a lot true easement yeah okay

[1:54:21] Voice 10: so that the main island

[1:54:22] Voice 10: local trust committee requests staff to investigate amendments

[1:54:28] Voice 2: to the second

[1:54:29] Voice 10: investigating updates

[1:54:30] Voice 10: section 219 of the covenant regarding easement for a lot too yeah

[1:54:35] Trustee Rogers: yeah and

[1:54:38] Voice 10: that's in the little

[1:54:39] Voice 10: of number eight yeah

[1:54:40] Trustee Rogers: we're not no we

[1:54:41] Voice 10: haven't gotten number eight i

[1:54:43] Trustee Rogers: don't need it anymore

[1:54:44] Voice 16: i don't

[1:54:46] Voice 2: think so unless

[1:54:47] Voice 16: the covenant has changed okay and you want a finalized covenant before

[1:54:52] Voice 16: the cim right you may have to make it okay

[1:54:55] Trustee Rogers: so we'll come back to that right just let's do this

[1:54:58] Trustee Rogers: one so i'll

[1:54:58] Voice 13: move that the local trust committee requests no

[1:55:01] Trustee Rogers: we haven't actually finished with

[1:55:03] Trustee Rogers: david oh

[1:55:03] Voice 13: that's great so

[1:55:04] Trustee Rogers: he's making motion just right back has it been seconded oh yes i said

[1:55:10] Trustee Rogers: okay any any discussion okay

[1:55:12] Trustee Maude: a quick question for that next motion could we not do that

[1:55:18] Trustee Maude: when we meet for the community information i think so oh

[1:55:21] Voice 15: yeah oh yeah okay so

[1:55:23] Trustee Rogers: we don't need

[1:55:23] Trustee Rogers: a special meeting now

[1:55:24] Voice 16: that you're separate yeah you're separating cim well we

[1:55:28] Trustee Rogers: haven't made that

[1:55:28] Trustee Rogers: decision yet but let me go okay so we don't need it okay

[1:55:32] Voice 13: so i move it may not local trust

[1:55:34] Voice 13: committee request staff to schedule a community information meeting for october 24th oh regarding

[1:55:41] Voice 13: mar said 2020.1 for october 24th okay

[1:55:46] Voice 10: did you did you take a vote on the other one that david

[1:55:50] Voice 10: yeah

[1:55:50] Trustee Rogers: and

[1:55:51] Voice 10: we

[1:55:53] Trustee Rogers: skipped eight and we're now at nine which and it's been amended to take out the

[1:55:58] Trustee Rogers: reference to the public hearing

[1:55:59] Voice 15: the motion

[1:56:06] Trustee Rogers: is for a cim on october in conjunction with our next ldc

[1:56:11] Trustee Rogers: meeting all right and just to be clear just so everybody that's been moved is there a seconder

[1:56:21] Trustee Rogers: okay been seconded by trustee this is often gets confused the cam is not a public hearing

[1:56:29] Trustee Rogers: they're quite different the cim is where you come and ask your questions and get your information

[1:56:36] Trustee Rogers: and uh yeah i was just going to say um if you're interested in a public hearing having

[1:56:43] any time to that cim then

[1:56:46] Voice 16: i i think you you would need to make a motion for that because

[1:56:50] Voice 16: yeah

[1:56:50] Trustee Rogers: i need to know we're getting

[1:56:53] Voice 16: to that we haven't voted on this one yet so i'll call

[1:56:56] Trustee Rogers: of those to

[1:56:57] Trustee Rogers: call a vote so that's possible we're going to have a cim and a 24th that's okay with

[1:57:01] Trustee Rogers: the applicant you're good with that because you're a big part of that yeah i know that this is your

[1:57:07] Voice 15: chance

[1:57:07] Trustee Rogers: to um yeah so my

[1:57:12] Voice 11: question for the cim will it be possible to have it as a hybrid so that

[1:57:16] Voice 11: people can uh participate by zoom well that's

[1:57:20] Voice 11: a question i'll

[1:57:21] Trustee Rogers: have to ask staff i know that

[1:57:22] Trustee Rogers: we did that for uh the public here the cim we had on um on galliano on saturday and we've done it

[1:57:30] Trustee Rogers: there but you have to get a stopper to uh be available to be on on in order to move the people

[1:57:38] Trustee Rogers: around otherwise i end up doing it and you know what i can probably do it if we can get a stopper

[1:57:46] Trustee Rogers: it'd be easier because my role in a in a cim less than it is in a public hearing it's really over to

[1:57:52] Trustee Rogers: you guys um and the planner yes we'll try we'll do our best i think

[1:57:58] Trustee Rogers: it's appropriate to have people

[1:58:00] Trustee Rogers: have the opportunity to be able to come in and ask their questions yeah um

[1:58:04] Voice 16: and so it's a question

[1:58:05] Voice 16: galiano had the local guy no

[1:58:09] Trustee Rogers: that was our techie that was different okay

[1:58:11] Voice 16: the

[1:58:12] Trustee Rogers: techie was there

[1:58:14] Trustee Rogers: because we were broadcasting material up on a screen in the room,

[1:58:17] Voice 16: which

[1:58:17] Trustee Rogers: is something you might want to consider doing.

[1:58:22] Trustee Rogers: But we also have Robin in the office there for people to come in,

[1:58:27] Trustee Rogers: but like we used to do when we were completely virtual,

[1:58:30] Trustee Rogers: people could come in and attend.

[1:58:34] Trustee Rogers: So it was actually both a webinar and a live stream.

[1:58:38] Trustee Rogers: So you could attend by webinar, and that's what you're asking is

[1:58:42] Trustee Rogers: is people can attend the meeting not just not just be here in person that's

[1:58:47] Voice 11: what you're asking

[1:58:47] Voice 11: isn't that i'm asking for that yes in particular for participants who can't attend physically but

[1:58:53] Voice 11: also for our consultants because the issues are coming up again and i think

[1:58:58] Voice 11: people might want to

[1:58:59] Voice 11: talk to our experts who we've had provide our reports and having them all come out here is

[1:59:04] Voice 11: really uh i

[1:59:05] Trustee Rogers: don't want to tell you how to present at the cim but having the experts there is an

[1:59:09] Trustee Rogers: excellent idea we'll also try and have mr shoulder there um he comes when he can uh

[1:59:17] Trustee Rogers: i know he's just i

[1:59:18] Trustee Rogers: know he just had him

[1:59:19] Voice 15: well he

[1:59:22] Trustee Rogers: didn't have it but

[1:59:23] Voice 15: he's a new father

[1:59:24] Trustee Rogers: so he's not the only one

[1:59:31] Trustee Rogers: anyway but we'll try and have him here he's often keen to be involved if he's expressed opinions on

[1:59:37] Trustee Rogers: on a relatively important matter to actually be here and he has expressed opinion so yes i

[1:59:45] Trustee Rogers: would recommend that it's always good because then we can ask the guy person who did the water

[1:59:49] Trustee Rogers: management plan we can ask though did you have mr cohan yes of

[1:59:54] Voice 8: course there's issues

[1:59:55] Trustee Rogers: about the well

[1:59:56] Trustee Rogers: yes he and i are very intimate

[2:00:01] Trustee Rogers: um no well that's just everywhere i go there he is so uh okay so i think i called the vote

[2:00:11] Trustee Rogers: yeah so that

[2:00:11] Trustee Rogers: passes what what do you want to do something else

[2:00:14] Voice 13: uh would you want to schedule now

[2:00:15] Voice 13: the public hearings because you need

[2:00:17] Trustee Rogers: it's up to you guys i

[2:00:18] Voice 13: move that we uh schedule a public

[2:00:21] Voice 13: hearing for marz at 2020.1 to be scheduled for october 31st 2022 halloween day so i will

[2:00:31] Trustee Maude: reluctantly say yes but as i just i have just comfort my opinion will be totally different

[2:00:37] Trustee Maude: but prior to prior to election day i just i don't want to commit to going to that meeting

[2:00:48] Trustee Rogers: well um okay it's been seconded i guess we'll see how that plays out um

[2:00:55] Trustee Rogers: i'm not quite sure to say that so i'll call the vote all in favor that passes that works for you

[2:01:00] Trustee Rogers: october 31st uh planner chapter yeah

[2:01:02] Voice 13: it's tight but uh it

[2:01:04] Trustee Rogers: is tight i know it's tight

[2:01:06] Trustee Rogers: go ahead and

[2:01:07] Voice 13: i want to say that on galliano island you only had two trustees oh yeah the reason only

[2:01:13] Voice 13: for the housing and you'll be doing that again tomorrow with only two trustees so that's true

[2:01:19] Voice 13: that's the past sometimes trustees will have a conflict of interest that's what happened on

[2:01:24] Voice 13: galliano so two trustees made

[2:01:26] Trustee Rogers: a decision it has not now

[2:01:28] Voice 13: if there's been a split decision

[2:01:30] Voice 13: then that's happened it's

[2:01:32] Trustee Rogers: not i'll tell you it's been a very interesting

[2:01:35] Trustee Rogers: i come from an area i i've been branded a developer of the developer trustee

[2:01:45] Trustee Rogers: and i come from an area where housing's not an issue

[2:01:48] Trustee Rogers: that's quite ironic yeah that i've been the one that all three three

[2:01:53] Voice 14: or one on gabriel

[2:01:54] Voice 14: yeah so four applications oh

[2:01:57] Trustee Rogers: i was the chair on each of them now there's been one on denman

[2:02:01] Trustee Rogers: and a couple of cells let's

[2:02:02] Voice 11: get them gabriel's 24

[2:02:04] Trustee Rogers: 24 minutes um and

[2:02:07] Voice 11: there's one on cortez and

[2:02:08] Voice 11: it's not on his channel no

[2:02:09] Trustee Rogers: no there's one on denman and there's one on

[2:02:12] Voice 11: there's they're all

[2:02:13] Voice 11: over a couple

[2:02:13] Trustee Rogers: of salt springs and there's one on

[2:02:15] Trustee Rogers: hornby that just got right

[2:02:16] Voice 13: there you're right

[2:02:18] Trustee Rogers: anyway but anyway that's just the reality any other motions related to this is there

[2:02:26] Trustee Rogers: anything further planet chadwick that you'd like to address related to this out this report

[2:02:33] Voice 15: okay

[2:02:34] Trustee Rogers: trust me uh modern um then i think we'll close this item out uh and i think

[2:02:43] Trustee Rogers: it'd be appropriate to take a brief break at this point and maybe take 10 minutes we'll come back at

[2:02:48] Trustee Rogers: 3 15 and uh finish off the agenda please do stay or get your trustee and chairs before

[2:02:54] Trustee Rogers: this is why everybody puts not everybody other people at the

[2:03:01] Trustee Rogers: beginning they put them at the

[2:03:03] Trustee Rogers: beginning so that people are actually there when they make their report so we'll just uh step down

[2:03:07] Trustee Rogers: for 10 minutes or we'll be back at 3 so we're that we're now at the next item on

[2:03:18] Trustee Rogers: the agenda is 11.1 which is the main island local trust committee fees bylaw

[2:03:24] Trustee Rogers: which has been through the APC, and over to the planner, Chadwick.

[2:03:30] Voice 15: Yeah, we

[2:03:32] Voice 16: basically brought back the report from June.

[2:03:37] Voice 16: I just recommended reading the by-law.

[2:03:41] Voice 16: The APC had provided some comments, and I believe they were relatively supportive.

[2:03:59] Trustee Rogers: I read the minutes it sounded like they were recommending approval. Yeah, according to

[2:04:04] Trustee Rogers: the trustee dodge you had something you wanted to say.

[2:04:09] Voice 13: So I'm hesitating to put this through it's a substantial increase. And I've got two people

[2:04:14] Voice 13: who I've asked and reminded a few times to get their applications in, I would like to

[2:04:19] Voice 13: defer this to our october 24th meeting uh opportunity to get their application oh you're

[2:04:28] Voice 13: trying

[2:04:28] Trustee Rogers: to create space for someone to get an application prior to

[2:04:31] Trustee Rogers: the increase the

[2:04:32] Voice 13: people

[2:04:33] Voice 13: i'm talking about are people who you know normal

[2:04:36] Voice 10: people who do not

[2:04:37] Voice 13: have a lot of money

[2:04:38] Voice 13: and and i'm quite happy to sit and wait for another month and give them the opportunity

[2:04:42] Voice 13: at last kick of the can if it's not even by then fine i've reminded a few times so that's my

[2:04:49] Voice 13: feeling on it it is a huge increase for the average person not for someone building a brand

[2:04:54] Voice 13: new house that's

[2:04:55] Voice 13: not what it is it's a variance application the

[2:04:58] Voice 15: whole point is somebody who did

[2:04:59] Voice 13: a little and it can be like a one inch seat too okay

[2:05:02] Voice 2: trustee

[2:05:03] Voice 13: i'd like to defer it for one more

[2:05:06] Trustee Maude: good trustee

[2:05:25] Trustee Rogers: you're making lots of progress but everybody else has adopted it you're still going to be

[2:05:30] Trustee Rogers: on that list of the audience

[2:05:32] Voice 8: okay

[2:05:33] Trustee Rogers: so you're uh the there's a motion to defer this matter until

[2:05:41] Trustee Rogers: october the 24th yes

[2:05:42] Voice 8: it's

[2:05:43] Trustee Rogers: the seconded all right i'll call anybody which is the same call the vote

[2:05:48] Trustee Rogers: so we'll defer this to october the 24th um i'm sure our budget will get

[2:05:56] Trustee Rogers: pulling because of that

[2:05:58] Voice 15: uh i feel like we're going to get a lot of uh

[2:06:01] Voice 16: well now

[2:06:03] Trustee Rogers: the trust

[2:06:04] Voice 13: i guess that's

[2:06:11] Trustee Rogers: what's response to local concerns in action um the next item on the is our work

[2:06:19] Trustee Rogers: program report are there any questions related to that top priorities or the projects list

[2:06:23] Trustee Rogers: i think you know what we've set up for the next term which is the work on the continuing on the

[2:06:30] Trustee Rogers: housing project etc uh anything further regarding that either of you at the stage of the term i

[2:06:36] Trustee Rogers: don't think so and uh you have quite a lengthy list of um uh long projects and i don't know if

[2:06:45] Trustee Rogers: you have i i guess you can just leave it for the next ltc to decide which ones don't need

[2:06:50] Trustee Rogers: to be on

[2:06:50] Trustee Rogers: here

[2:06:51] Voice 15: oh on the yes on

[2:06:53] Trustee Rogers: the project right and of course we now could be passed we passed that at

[2:06:58] Trustee Rogers: trust council the new project the concept of

[2:07:02] Trustee Rogers: one at a time basically

[2:07:05] Trustee Maude: and maybe at some point we

[2:07:09] Trustee Maude: need maybe to have like a discussion about it just not not not debating it but just informing the

[2:07:16] Trustee Maude: public you know would come from three to one and

[2:07:18] Voice 15: that's

[2:07:19] Trustee Rogers: what that's why your trustee report's

[2:07:21] Trustee Rogers: coming out so you can give it then and now or in october or i can give it or somebody can give it

[2:07:25] Trustee Rogers: we can report what we did at trust councils um it's it's i don't think it's going to change here

[2:07:31] Trustee Rogers: very much um so uh applications report any questions about any of the applications that

[2:07:39] Trustee Rogers: are on the list there's actually only two aren't there

[2:07:42] Voice 15: um

[2:07:44] Trustee Rogers: i'm used to seeing pages and pages uh

[2:07:48] Trustee Rogers: we're at the expense report still no ltc expenses good for you um anything related to standing

[2:07:57] Trustee Rogers: resolutions no okay so we're at we're well here we are we're at the chairs report um so uh it's

[2:08:10] Trustee Rogers: let me try and remember trust council which was last week

[2:08:15] Trustee Rogers: it was last week it was uh virtual um

[2:08:21] Trustee Rogers: it was an interesting um we spent a fair amount of time working through

[2:08:28] Trustee Rogers: what to do with the governance report but what was interesting is that in my view this is only

[2:08:32] Trustee Rogers: my personal opinion probably the most important step i'm taking is the creation of the governance

[2:08:37] Trustee Rogers: committee uh that was you know that that they will be the the new committee the governance

[2:08:42] Trustee Rogers: rather you sit on that no we don't um we'll be the ones that will take the governance report

[2:08:48] Trustee Rogers: that came out in march uh and implement some of the changes to the the trust as we go forward

[2:08:58] Trustee Rogers: so there was that there was quite an interesting a little short presentation from the province

[2:09:05] Trustee Rogers: related to their coastal marine strategy that's in the works of the province.

[2:09:13] Trustee Rogers: I don't know if you've been following this at all, but there was some lobbying that went on.

[2:09:19] Trustee Rogers: And as it turns out, B.C. is one of the few jurisdictions in North America that doesn't actually have a coastal marine strategy,

[2:09:27] Trustee Rogers: either by regulation or as a strategy because a lot of the east coast does and a lot of the

[2:09:33] Trustee Rogers: western united states and there was a big push by i want to say west coast environmental law

[2:09:40] Trustee Rogers: but it might have been somebody else um that to develop it and the province is now committed to

[2:09:44] Trustee Rogers: it so we have an update of where they're at in terms of the strategy and i think

[2:09:50] Trustee Rogers: the idea in the long run will be that um there will be more guiding principles and perhaps more

[2:09:58] Trustee Rogers: guidance to communities and first nations and uh people on the coast as to how the uh how this

[2:10:07] Trustee Rogers: how the coastline is going to be protected uh going forward in the future but it's an

[2:10:11] Trustee Rogers: early it's early days it's very early days related to that um what else did we do with

[2:10:18] Trustee Rogers: trust but

[2:10:19] Voice 13: with the policy statement we went through that a lot of it actually was really

[2:10:23] Voice 13: really well done right so lots of

[2:10:26] Trustee Rogers: changes so if you've also been following the policy statement

[2:10:29] Trustee Rogers: review process um it's basically hit another pause it hit a pause in the summer of 2021

[2:10:38] Trustee Rogers: and we've now done a fair amount of work on it in the last um the last three months after our fair

[2:10:44] Trustee Rogers: the community engagement process and now we uh have sent it back to the staff to redraft that

[2:10:53] Trustee Rogers: document a policy statement document if the idea is it probably won't come back to trust council

[2:10:59] Trustee Rogers: till sometime in early 2023 um with a recommended uh a new recommendations it's intended to be

[2:11:08] Trustee Rogers: be simpler, clearer, without some of the restrictive issues around, as restrictive around docks

[2:11:17] Trustee Rogers: and around foreshores and around desalination.

[2:11:20] Trustee Rogers: In fact, the whole issue of desalination currently has been taken out.

[2:11:24] Trustee Rogers: So some of the things that we heard from the public, both from Maine and other islands

[2:11:28] Trustee Rogers: that were causing a lot of concerns have been removed or will are proposed to be modified.

[2:11:33] Trustee Rogers: also we're working on trying to figure out ways to bring First Nations and Indigenous people into

[2:11:40] Trustee Rogers: into a more I don't want to use the word co-governance it seems like it's not the right

[2:11:46] Trustee Rogers: term but more of a co-decision-making process where they feel that they're

[2:11:51] Trustee Rogers: that they are part of the process that affects them so people so we're continuing to work towards

[2:11:58] Trustee Rogers: um uh that's the last trust council of this term um i'm actually not running again so it's my last

[2:12:06] Trustee Rogers: trust council and uh so the um uh and i have a couple more executive committee meetings i

[2:12:14] Trustee Rogers: apparently have two more meetings on main island um that i am coming for so it's not goodbye yet

[2:12:20] Trustee Rogers: from me uh but the uh we're moving towards the october um 15th election uh there's on some

[2:12:30] Trustee Rogers: islands with a lot of candidates i know there's there's salt spring there's seven or eight uh

[2:12:35] Trustee Rogers: seven on mesquite island of all places um uh four on denman uh there's the only two islands that

[2:12:45] Trustee Rogers: the only two other groups that had acclamations were saturn and uh my my area abraham they had

[2:12:52] Trustee Rogers: they were acclaimed so there will be elections on um 10 of the 12 islands where uh we'll see who uh

[2:13:00] Trustee Rogers: is uh elected and you'll have a new trust council but i think it's fair to say i think there's eight

[2:13:05] Trustee Rogers: or nine retirements people doing so there's going to be probably about the normal 50 percent so

[2:13:11] Trustee Rogers: so we're working towards that and the executive committee will continue to do its work

[2:13:16] Trustee Rogers: i think we have one more financial planning committee meeting that's just to set up the

[2:13:20] Trustee Rogers: next budget process um which is complicated on a on a year when everything turns over

[2:13:27] Trustee Rogers: um that's about all i can tell you really that's my report so over to the local trustees

[2:13:33] Voice 13: i just want to say that um i haven't don't think i've been to any any events lately but a lot more

[2:13:40] Voice 13: more questions from the community. So people who don't

[2:13:43] Voice 13: understand what their rights and their responsibilities and

[2:13:47] Voice 13: rights are on the foreshore, discovering that after many

[2:13:51] Voice 13: years, they aren't actually supposed to be putting cement

[2:13:54] Voice 13: steps down there or building a seawall without getting

[2:13:57] Voice 13: invariants. Huge concerns on Wooddale desire, actually by

[2:14:03] Voice 13: the CRD by officer to get together with the honest trust

[2:14:07] Voice 13: by law and the trust count and the trust committee um so a lot of pressures right now over

[2:14:14] Voice 13: housing that is i would call substandard but in most in most cases that's what people have

[2:14:21] Voice 13: um so we're really i'm really noticing the difference with the increase of population

[2:14:27] Voice 13: increase of development um lack of elbow room i would call it that there are a lot of minor well

[2:14:33] Voice 13: Well, we can call it a lot of frustrating issues are coming up now in individual communities.

[2:14:38] Voice 13: I'm getting far more phone calls, far more emails asking about the process.

[2:14:43] Voice 13: And of course, not being a municipality and trying to explain how much bylaw officers can or will do is really complicated.

[2:14:51] Voice 13: So that's the biggest change. It's quite a bit quieter on the island since Labor Day.

[2:14:56] Voice 13: A lot of people obviously have gone back on home.

[2:14:59] Voice 13: um and obviously too we got through the summer without the water districts running out of water

[2:15:04] Voice 13: uh one of the trust council delegations spoke about the concerns about the amount of water

[2:15:10] Voice 13: specifically that were shipped into galliano the trucker the trucks i mean she said three but i i

[2:15:16] Voice 13: talked to the water the bulk water carrier came here with two loads is what he told me to fill

[2:15:22] Voice 13: people's cisterns so clearly the water districts did not have any serious leaks this year which i

[2:15:27] Voice 13: think is fabulous news it means that our water districts of which 90 of our community relies on

[2:15:34] Voice 13: we're able to maintain the water for the huge number of people over here this summer so

[2:15:41] Voice 13: kudos to everyone for being cautious with water and i think water rainwater collection of course

[2:15:46] Voice 13: is part and parcel every bit of increased density that we have allowed in my time so that's mostly

[2:15:53] Voice 13: what i'm finding is that there really is a need with so many new people to somehow have

[2:15:58] Voice 13: a community gathering sometime early in our new term to talk about you know how things function

[2:16:04] Voice 13: on the island what you can and can't do in your community your little neighborhood did you mention

[2:16:09] Voice 13: the first nations no that was this morning at night which way

[2:16:15] Trustee Maude: there's something community

[2:16:17] Trustee Maude: in the community

[2:16:31] Voice 12: oh yeah

[2:16:32] Voice 13: oh sorry yeah

[2:16:37] Voice 12: yeah yeah yeah

[2:16:38] Voice 13: no of course no i was here yeah you were here

[2:16:41] Trustee Maude: no

[2:16:41] Voice 13: you go ahead no it was

[2:16:43] Voice 13: i was trying to think what else i did that's almost a month ago

[2:16:47] Voice 13: Well,

[2:16:47] Trustee Maude: it's been a busy summer. It's

[2:16:54] Trustee Maude: been a couple months. We had those two gatherings

[2:16:58] Trustee Maude: within a week. We had

[2:17:00] Trustee Maude: sort of a community gathering with First Nations here. It was

[2:17:05] Trustee Maude: a really fascinating event. It was primarily the L.A. family, and it was very, very well

[2:17:15] Trustee Maude: all conducted um hopefully we're going to see these things more and more frequently um then

[2:17:21] Trustee Maude: the following week we had uh one with japanese families um and with uh quite a few delegations

[2:17:28] Trustee Maude: coming basically to to look at main island they had a little ceremony over the museum

[2:17:34] Trustee Maude: this is the japanese garden some of the homesteads and such it's sort of it's reconciliation of a

[2:17:40] Trustee Maude: different time in a different form um of something that was really tragic what happened to this island

[2:17:47] Trustee Maude: and really affected the community and um it was quite touching that um that uh really was

[2:17:56] Trustee Maude: was an event that was put together by the families by the community and it was just it was really it

[2:18:03] Trustee Maude: wasn't i don't think because i know after a lot of people it was very um

[2:18:07] Voice 15: and

[2:18:08] Trustee Maude: again hopefully the

[2:18:09] Trustee Maude: person of many such events um i guess the only other thing that happened on it was our fall

[2:18:15] Trustee Maude: fair sort of came back to being a fall fair again this time it was tremendously well well attended

[2:18:22] Trustee Maude: um the weather was great lots and lots of people here and and the feedback was it was an

[2:18:28] Trustee Maude: overwhelming success so and and and of course our first stop across the road is coming together

[2:18:35] Trustee Maude: it's uh despite we

[2:18:36] Voice 13: rezoned it we temporarily used permanently we did quite a bit yeah and

[2:18:40] Voice 13: now the deck is coming the deck is coming mostly well they're all volunteers despite

[2:18:44] Trustee Maude: all the

[2:18:45] Trustee Maude: actresses here i need to stop yeah yeah

[2:18:47] Voice 13: so so that's exciting the trip shop is slowly coming

[2:18:50] Voice 13: together hopefully before the winter rains so i

[2:18:54] Trustee Rogers: think that concludes mine

[2:18:55] Trustee Rogers: okay thanks very much

[2:18:57] Trustee Rogers: uh we have here uh under 12.8 we have the uh islands trust conservancy plan and one of the

[2:19:05] Trustee Rogers: things they've done is they've sent it out to all of the trust committees for any comments or

[2:19:09] Trustee Rogers: concerns or issues or compliments or anything in that grade so it's here and i guess the question

[2:19:15] Trustee Rogers: is does the local trust committee wish to do anything with

[2:19:19] Voice 15: it uh any response well i read

[2:19:22] Trustee Maude: and third it's a it's a great document so i would just say compliments so i don't i don't have

[2:19:28] Trustee Maude: anything within within my little brain to offer as pros of wisdom or anything but uh it's amazing

[2:19:35] Trustee Maude: that what they've done over the years

[2:19:39] Voice 8: and

[2:19:40] Trustee Maude: uh as planet chadwick said this is interesting because

[2:19:45] Trustee Maude: some of the the parcels they have are minuscule um like a third of an acre a half acre and such

[2:19:53] Trustee Maude: but it seems that they're they're maybe getting their school hunt a little bit larger saying they

[2:19:57] Trustee Maude: don't want the smaller um properties for acquisition but um the work that they've

[2:20:03] Trustee Maude: done over the years has been phenomenal yeah

[2:20:07] Voice 13: i think it's it sometimes i think people wonder

[2:20:12] Voice 13: under what Islands Trust does for the communities

[2:20:15] Voice 13: other than collect taxes and doing land use planning,

[2:20:18] Voice 13: but what they do do is they fund,

[2:20:20] Voice 13: and our tax dollars fund the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[2:20:23] Voice 13: And that's really where the, to me,

[2:20:25] Voice 13: the preserve and protect shows in our communities

[2:20:28] Voice 13: with what the Islands Trust Conservancy

[2:20:31] Voice 13: has been able to do.

[2:20:31] Voice 13: So they have 1,366.7 acres, hectares of protected land,

[2:20:38] Voice 13: a lot of it by covenant,

[2:20:39] Voice 13: it but that the amount of activity that's going on in my years with the trust through the

[2:20:44] Voice 13: conservancy is quite amazing kudos to them it's very interesting yeah

[2:20:50] Trustee Rogers: and some really great i mean

[2:20:53] Trustee Rogers: reading through the list of properties as they're protected and when they're protected is pretty

[2:20:59] Trustee Rogers: amazing uh i looked for you know there's a few of them made um and uh elsewhere so would you like to

[2:21:10] Trustee Rogers: you need a motion well

[2:21:11] Voice 13: i think if you're going to support their i

[2:21:13] Trustee Rogers: i think they would appreciate

[2:21:14] Trustee Rogers: some of the local trust committees at least saying

[2:21:16] Voice 13: we support that yeah so i move that we

[2:21:19] Voice 13: request our planner to send a letter on commending the isles trust conservancy on their three-year

[2:21:25] Voice 13: plan congratulating and commanding them and perhaps the chair can sign that uh i decided

[2:21:34] Voice 13: if you

[2:21:35] Voice 15: want to and the

[2:21:35] Voice 13: chair should sign that stuff thank you okay

[2:21:38] Voice 15: second okay you get that

[2:21:40] Voice 15: that yeah okay congratulations on

[2:21:47] Trustee Rogers: the three-year plan okay all in favor that passes unanimously

[2:21:52] Trustee Rogers: uh i have three items a new business one is water storage tank sighting safety i don't know what

[2:21:58] Trustee Rogers: that's about so someone can tell me well

[2:22:00] Voice 13: i so i got a call and i had a lot of calls of a lot of

[2:22:04] Voice 13: different issues and this was a call from people who were sort of downhill from a property that

[2:22:09] Voice 13: is putting in a lot of rainwater tanks and they are concerned about safety what happens if those

[2:22:16] Voice 13: tanks collapse in an earthquake or if they're not properly installed so i know we allow rainwater

[2:22:23] Voice 13: within the setbacks of property and that we have a lot of them and some are really big they have

[2:22:28] Voice 13: no idea what the jurisdiction is for safety and or inspection so i thought maybe you could ask

[2:22:36] Voice 13: As far as I

[2:22:37] Trustee Maude: know, I think anything over 300 gallons seems to be a building permit, which

[2:22:43] Trustee Maude: requires a structural engineer, a mechanical engineer, a geotechnical

[2:22:46] Trustee Maude: engineer, so.

[2:22:47] Trustee Maude: Can

[2:22:48] Voice 13: we get, how would we get a confirmation, can we get a confirmation?

[2:22:52] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:22:52] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:22:54] Voice 13: We can look into.

[2:22:55] Voice 13: Okay.

[2:22:57] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:22:58] Voice 13: So just so that we have a, and it'd be nice just to have a little fact sheet made up with,

[2:23:03] Voice 13: we can probably type some of the other cells if we get the actual real information

[2:23:09] Voice 8: because

[2:23:09] Voice 13: it it is a valid concern piece that people a lot of developments going on behind

[2:23:14] Voice 13: them that's a cool property zone people bringing trailers in and then the rainwater collection as

[2:23:20] Voice 13: well

[2:23:20] Voice 14: okay

[2:23:21] Voice 13: that's so that safety was the big concern with the rain barrel so if you can

[2:23:25] Voice 13: do you need a motion um

[2:23:27] Voice 16: i'll put it

[2:23:28] Voice 13: on the young years okay okay okay now that was great um okay

[2:23:33] Voice 13: and then the next discussion was this uses on the foreshore and in one case this one property

[2:23:39] Voice 13: owner had actually set up a little boom just had run log had a tiny little bit of a beach and a

[2:23:46] Voice 13: little code with some rock outcroppings and was able to string three logs across between the

[2:23:51] Voice 13: the rock out problems which keeps the logs out in the winter because otherwise the beach becomes

[2:23:56] Voice 13: completely covered in logs and therefore you don't have a beach so i didn't know what how the

[2:24:00] Voice 13: jersey obvious bylaw went in and it's gone it's gone so i didn't know whether people if they

[2:24:05] Voice 13: wanted to do that how

[2:24:07] Voice 13: if there's a process for them to do it or how we explain to people that

[2:24:11] Voice 13: they can't actually do anything on the shore at all and this also tied into the cement steps going

[2:24:17] Voice 13: down to the beach there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding we probably need to actually

[2:24:22] Voice 13: do a mail out to all of our waterfront landowners because i think right now a lot of people are

[2:24:28] Voice 13: putting steps right on to the poor shore and that's you could have steps within the setback

[2:24:33] Voice 13: where the

[2:24:34] Voice 15: terrestrial is

[2:24:35] Voice 13: but not once you get into the aqua water so there's a lot of

[2:24:38] Voice 13: misunderstanding about property rights on places where people that could have bulldozed their front

[2:24:43] Voice 13: yards can go on to the full show so more of an information package or if there's something

[2:24:49] Voice 13: that we can access that's already out there um and and have like out of our budget send out a flyer

[2:24:56] Voice 13: right um saying you know did you know that this is what you can do and can't do and that might

[2:25:02] Voice 13: tell you in seeing the rain rainwater collection as a

[2:25:06] Voice 13: project perhaps yeah

[2:25:08] Voice 16: it would be a project

[2:25:09] Voice 13: Oh, okay. I just wanted to bring it up now because I, you know, this particular property owner has been here for at least 35 years, and all of this have existed. And then someone decided they didn't like the logs and made a complaint.

[2:25:25] Voice 13: They were totally unaware of it. So their aquatic beachfront property has cement on it and all kinds of things on it. They totally did not realize that they couldn't be doing what they were doing.

[2:25:40] Voice 13: and then the other would be like back to the seawall concept too there's obviously this is

[2:25:44] Voice 13: this is a midden site on this property where um i think they put rocks to like a seawall without a

[2:25:51] Voice 13: permit but also not realizing even the fact that they were their property is actually a midden so

[2:25:57] Voice 13: we have this other problem where we can't identify middens on a map um but we need to speak somehow

[2:26:03] Voice 13: directly to the main island owners of waterfront boats, living on their property, their rights on their property, their responsibilities.

[2:26:15] Voice 16: So it's seeming to me like a foreshore education project.

[2:26:21] Voice 13: Yeah, sounds good, because right now too we have this other issue where people first off can't build docks.

[2:26:30] Voice 13: and so actually that would tie into a bigger picture of maybe re-examining what we and this

[2:26:34] Voice 13: goes even into the patios and setback so a bigger pro it's probably a bigger project and see what's

[2:26:42] Voice 13: what's on the list for next next term and uh prioritize what what to do about waterfront i

[2:26:47] Voice 13: suspect is kind of key right now in terms of issues of the most damage being done okay so do

[2:26:55] Voice 16: want to put it on the project list for now if

[2:26:58] Voice 13: you could so that at least

[2:26:59] Voice 16: it's there yes i think we

[2:27:01] Voice 2: do need a motion

[2:27:01] Voice 16: to put it on the project yeah yeah and then um and then

[2:27:04] Voice 16: i think what like one

[2:27:05] Voice 16: of the things that um we've been talking about as staff is uh you know once the new council is in

[2:27:11] Voice 16: we'll go through the projects list and the projects and have a discussion about prioritizing

[2:27:16] Voice 16: well

[2:27:17] Voice 13: and because that is a project that would apply to everybody

[2:27:22] Voice 13: okay so i moved that we asked the plan which i would have to put up for sure

[2:27:26] Voice 13: for sure development or that's a great word for these for sure concerns on the content

[2:27:33] Voice 13: yes for

[2:27:37] Trustee Rogers: sure development development

[2:27:39] Voice 13: education yes even better

[2:27:41] Voice 15: yes okay is there a second

[2:27:46] Voice 15: I was waiting for Pat.

[2:27:49] Voice 15: I'm sorry.

[2:27:50] Voice 10: I'm waiting for Pat.

[2:27:51] Voice 10: Oh, yeah.

[2:27:52] Voice 15: I've got her.

[2:27:54] Voice 15: Ask

[2:27:54] Voice 10: the staff to ask for foreshore development education on the projects list, or to the projects list.

[2:28:01] Voice 10: Right.

[2:28:01] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:28:02] Trustee Rogers: So all in favor?

[2:28:03] Trustee Rogers: That passes.

[2:28:04] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much.

[2:28:05] Trustee Rogers: And the last one is you want

[2:28:06] Voice 13: to have a meeting with

[2:28:06] Voice 13: a bylaw officer.

[2:28:07] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:28:07] Voice 13: So sometime in the new term, I think the local trust committee, whoever it should be, maybe needs to invite the CRD bylaw officer.

[2:28:16] Voice 13: and the Islands Trust bylaw officer to a community meeting

[2:28:20] Voice 13: to talk about pressing concerns,

[2:28:22] Voice 13: joint concerns over non-permitted dwellings

[2:28:26] Voice 13: in various areas on the island.

[2:28:28] Voice 13: I think there's frustration

[2:28:30] Voice 13: because they both overlap jurisdictions,

[2:28:33] Voice 13: definitely overlap, so.

[2:28:35] Voice 13: Oh,

[2:28:36] Trustee Rogers: so you want this as a community meeting?

[2:28:39] Voice 13: Yes, yes, yes, as well.

[2:28:41] Voice 13: I don't want to just, so that's a dilemma.

[2:28:43] Voice 13: I mean, some of it could be in Canada.

[2:28:44] Voice 16: would also

[2:28:45] Voice 13: be a project i mean it would be a product okay

[2:28:48] Voice 13: because what it is it's like if you speak to the crp by law about something you know they

[2:28:59] Voice 13: have frustrations because of how the trust approaches very similar files yeah you guys

[2:29:04] Trustee Rogers: it

[2:29:05] Voice 13: was

[2:29:07] Trustee Rogers: a dialogue of course but you guys had a meeting with the planning department yeah we

[2:29:11] Voice 13: we've had that we've had that you met with them yeah so i think we need to revisit yes and so

[2:29:17] Trustee Rogers: you'd like to but you'd like to recommend to the next health and see they have a community

[2:29:20] Trustee Rogers: information so

[2:29:22] Voice 13: i think so because the people that are living the impacted neighbors would be really

[2:29:26] Voice 13: useful within within an actual meeting to have a conversation trying to explain to an individual

[2:29:33] Voice 13: how much bylaw can actually be effective with the neighbor from well it's very taxing for

[2:29:41] Voice 13: for me as an individual and and how bylaw works and doesn't work and how much we can do under

[2:29:47] Voice 13: violence so it would be a general information sharing i

[2:29:50] Trustee Rogers: don't think you need emotion i don't

[2:29:52] Trustee Rogers: think it's a project you just put on the follow-up and

[2:29:54] Voice 16: then

[2:29:55] Trustee Rogers: and then it'll be there next month

[2:30:00] Voice 16: it but

[2:30:00] Trustee Rogers: then it'll be there and then the next ltc can pick it up and ask you to activate it

[2:30:08] Voice 14: okay

[2:30:08] Trustee Rogers: thank

[2:30:09] Voice 14: you okay

[2:30:10] Trustee Rogers: uh that leaves us to the end of the agenda we're at the next regular meeting which is

[2:30:16] Trustee Rogers: scheduled for october 24th right here in this location uh which will be a community information

[2:30:22] Trustee Rogers: meeting along with whatever small piece of business we also need to do but it will be a cim

[2:30:28] Trustee Rogers: am around uh the housing so please be here we're i was talking at the break about how we could make

[2:30:36] Trustee Rogers: it more interactive and how we can get a screen up and show your because i'm guessing you'll have

[2:30:41] Trustee Rogers: a powerpoint or a slide deck and you'll want everybody in the room to be able to see it

[2:30:46] Trustee Rogers: so we should work on that how that works

[2:30:49] Voice 14: here there is a there is a screen that's

[2:30:53] Voice 14: finding behind the events it's a projection screen it's a projector screen so there must

[2:30:58] Trustee Rogers: be a techie somewhere there

[2:30:59] Voice 12: are a couple of people though um one of them is a daytime employee so

[2:31:06] Voice 12: uh that's a bit of a challenge finding people who can can run the equipment here

[2:31:12] Trustee Rogers: anyway i recommend it it works well when you can be able to do that and everybody can see

[2:31:17] Trustee Rogers: what's going on and we can find a way to broadcast it at the same time um so that way people can see

[2:31:24] Trustee Rogers: it online they can see it they can participate electronically and the people in the room

[2:31:29] Trustee Rogers: can be here to watch exactly the same material and then we'll work our way through the questions

[2:31:37] Voice 12: i'll

[2:31:37] Trustee Rogers: leave you guys to do that so that's that's october the 24th so this leads us to

[2:31:43] Trustee Rogers: the second opportunity for uh public comment uh before we close the meeting is there anybody that

[2:31:49] Trustee Rogers: wishes to speak to the local trust committee before we do

[2:31:52] Voice 12: oh

[2:31:54] Trustee Rogers: hi um

[2:31:55] Voice 12: i really like the idea

[2:31:57] Voice 12: that janine brought up about having a conversation with the residents especially those who are in

[2:32:03] Voice 12: areas well i i really like that idea but what i would like to say about it is having daytime

[2:32:10] Voice 12: time needs is very restrictive when it comes to participation so something like that i think

[2:32:16] Voice 12: either needs to happen on a weekend when there's more people who can participate or um in an

[2:32:23] Voice 12: evening

[2:32:23] Voice 13: setting where you're we're talking about staff um so like a crd bylaw officer and island's

[2:32:30] Voice 13: trust bylaw officer

[2:32:31] Voice 13: and our planner and you know this is the unfortunate part we've talked a lot

[2:32:35] Voice 13: about these sorts of things but this is a drawback um within and especially we're trying to get crd

[2:32:42] Voice 13: employee and trust employee but you know your point's taken um it does restrict we're not here

[2:32:48] Voice 13: on the weekends either and that's partly yeah and partly the complication um zoom has been really

[2:32:54] Voice 13: helpful but still for those people i don't i and travel so i get your point but i just don't know

[2:33:01] Voice 13: that we could do that we've had this conversation before um but that being said that you know these

[2:33:08] Voice 13: things are taped now and people who are interested

[2:33:11] Voice 12: it's not the same as being able to create this

[2:33:14] Voice 12: address the point of education but it doesn't do that no opportunity you

[2:33:19] Voice 13: know um the other

[2:33:21] Voice 13: alternative is just to hold that we have done this in the past in informal community meetings

[2:33:26] Voice 13: on weekends um open houses that kind of thing where it was just

[2:33:31] Voice 13: local not staff coming and

[2:33:33] Voice 13: that's a possibility afterwards okay report back thanks

[2:33:37] Trustee Rogers: anybody else we should speak to the trust

[2:33:40] Trustee Rogers: committee before we close the meeting okay well oh yes yeah i

[2:33:46] Voice 4: just want to bookend with the water

[2:33:48] Voice 4: issue again and i think we keep trying to hammer home that our concern is neighbors

[2:33:52] Voice 4: is water, but we still find one on the water issue.

[2:33:56] Voice 4: So I think a few meetings ago,

[2:33:57] Voice 4: we asked for more information on ROF,

[2:34:00] Voice 4: storm water management and wastewater.

[2:34:03] Voice 4: Looking at the main island housing site,

[2:34:06] Voice 4: I still don't see that.

[2:34:07] Voice 4: I see an MSR report that says,

[2:34:09] Voice 4: once we finished our design,

[2:34:10] Voice 4: we'll tell you what we're gonna do with storm water.

[2:34:13] Voice 4: It's just, I mean, short of supplying tenants

[2:34:15] Voice 4: and downstream neighbors with life jackets,

[2:34:17] Voice 4: I'm not sure really what the plan is

[2:34:19] Voice 4: for dealing with the water we've illustrated

[2:34:22] Voice 4: with the video so is there another document review or some expert opinion on how the waters are one

[2:34:30] Voice 4: part two being um i don't think modi is going to write into the rescue i think looking at it from

[2:34:35] Voice 4: our perspective with the flooding last year modi's just another neighbor and they can you know dump

[2:34:42] Voice 4: water on our property and we have to deal with it so i need to see some evidence from the housing

[2:34:47] Voice 4: society that they've thought about how they're going to manage this because it's coming onto

[2:34:50] Voice 4: that property later on as far as we can tell there's really no plan to deal with it you have

[2:34:56] Voice 4: 21 downstream neighbors who are literally terrified of the impacts thinking about

[2:35:00] Voice 4: the 300 gallon water tank think about an entire acreage of water if you're thinking of kind of

[2:35:06] Voice 4: levying and we know what happens with levies so um is there somewhere where you can look for a

[2:35:11] Voice 4: runoff plan? Planner Chatelain?

[2:35:16] Voice 15: Well, that could be requested

[2:35:17] Voice 16: and

[2:35:20] Voice 16: that would be something that could be

[2:35:23] Voice 16: a request of the applicants.

[2:35:27] Trustee Rogers: Well, okay.

[2:35:29] Trustee Rogers: Let's answer the question first.

[2:35:31] Trustee Rogers: Is there somebody, other document besides

[2:35:33] Trustee Rogers: the

[2:35:34] Trustee Rogers: water management plan from MSR

[2:35:37] Trustee Rogers: or whomever it is, I don't have it up

[2:35:39] Trustee Rogers: in front of me, related

[2:35:41] Trustee Rogers: to water management and how

[2:35:43] Trustee Rogers: stormwater is going to be handled in the runoff

[2:35:45] Trustee Rogers: it's going to be handled because i i remember reading it when it came out and it made some

[2:35:51] Trustee Rogers: sense to me at the time but i if there is there some other documents besides that the wetland

[2:35:56] Voice 16: protection uh report um and that's what uh the remediation work has been based on right

[2:36:03] Voice 15: and and

[2:36:05] Voice 13: i did want to say that that hopefully a planner child can have a conversation with minister

[2:36:10] Voice 13: your transport my understanding hopefully we'll get an answer by the end of october is that when

[2:36:16] Voice 13: you subdivide because i've done this so i know that i was responsible for the water on my property

[2:36:22] Voice 13: when i subdivided my property and i it turned out it was only a culvert because it wasn't a big

[2:36:28] Voice 13: subdivision but my understanding under the subdivision process or approval process for

[2:36:34] Voice 13: limit that groundwater on the existing property when subdivided there are other um mechanisms that

[2:36:42] Voice 13: moti will require so that was my goal was hoping that there'd be a conversation by the end of

[2:36:48] Voice 13: october where we would get some actual facts from moti on what the next stages are because i suspect

[2:36:54] Voice 13: that while there is just the one the rainwater or the remediation that there will be further

[2:37:01] Voice 13: their requirements for water water management on site and i also understood that part of the

[2:37:07] Voice 13: building process building permit requirement process would also especially on a wet site

[2:37:13] Voice 13: like that take into consideration water drainage and where the water is going to go so that is my

[2:37:19] Voice 13: understanding it's not there yet um and we didn't request anymore so we would love to see some

[2:37:25] Voice 13: planning and thought of that since the onus will be on the developer so we're hoping to hear that

[2:37:31] Voice 13: thank

[2:37:32] Voice 15: you yes sir so

[2:37:35] Voice 3: just to follow up with nico's question as this process moves forward

[2:37:41] Voice 3: it kind of is increasing liability i think for the developer in some ways because we're starting

[2:37:47] Voice 3: to learn about ditching and who did the ditching and what that ditching is doing and today we're

[2:37:53] Voice 3: hearing that nothing is going to happen on lot one but Sean McHugh constructed ditches

[2:38:01] Voice 3: to collect and move water onto lot two which is then having an impact on lot three and the

[2:38:09] Voice 3: neighbors on Maple Drive. There's a whole bunch of other ditching that was constructed that is

[2:38:14] Voice 3: designed to collect concentrate and move water to Maple Drive. Who's liable for that is anyone's

[2:38:23] Voice 3: question but there is possible legal liability for Sean McHugh so this idea that the wetland

[2:38:31] Voice 3: restoration plan is the goodness of our heart just here from in my chest is is kind of diminishing

[2:38:39] Voice 3: the fact that there's a real legal liability with the way those ditches are constructed and what

[2:38:45] Voice 3: they're doing and that that might be amplified by the development and so it's really important

[2:38:51] Voice 3: for I think the neighbors to have peace of mind

[2:38:53] Voice 3: to understand what's happening with those pitches.

[2:38:56] Voice 3: Because if they're not happy,

[2:38:58] Voice 3: I don't know who it's going to be,

[2:39:00] Voice 3: but somebody is going to get pissed off

[2:39:03] Voice 3: and they're going to consult the lawyer.

[2:39:06] Voice 3: When they're waist deep in water in their basement,

[2:39:09] Voice 3: they're probably gonna start to think,

[2:39:10] Voice 3: I gotta do something about this.

[2:39:12] Voice 3: And so it is a very important issue.

[2:39:15] Voice 3: So it's-

[2:39:15] Voice 3: Going

[2:39:16] Voice 13: back to my answers, my understanding,

[2:39:18] Voice 13: and that includes Sean's property.

[2:39:19] Voice 13: If you're doing a subdivision, they're looking at the whole property, transport that's my understanding that's what I had to do.

[2:39:26] Voice 13: I had to do various, you know, remediation of water on my property before I subdivided it was part of the subdivision.

[2:39:34] Voice 13: now so

[2:39:35] Voice 3: does that then lead to a revision well i haven't done that for a while so

[2:39:38] Voice 13: i that's piece

[2:39:39] Voice 13: of information hopefully we would have for the public here no

[2:39:43] Trustee Rogers: but there's layers i mean i think

[2:39:45] Trustee Rogers: i think the point is is it layers upon layers on layers of approvals that are required all of which

[2:39:50] Trustee Rogers: may lead to different kinds of requirements for an applicant such as this it's doing a subdivision

[2:39:56] Trustee Rogers: that's what i was talking about is that even though we we approve a section 219 covenant

[2:40:01] Trustee Rogers: in it related to water management or sewage requirements the real or the technical layers

[2:40:07] Trustee Rogers: will come from the health department when they approve the sewage and once the design is actually

[2:40:13] Trustee Rogers: in place and approved if we may approve a certain amount of water requirement and want to see a

[2:40:19] Trustee Rogers: certain amount of requirement from the well but the actual experts in the area are the are the

[2:40:24] Trustee Rogers: people in the water land bureau management or whatever they're called these days that

[2:40:28] Trustee Rogers: that actually grant the well license um so we we've done what we think we can do to put them

[2:40:34] Trustee Rogers: in that position but uh you know until someone gets a water license they can't basically develop

[2:40:40] Trustee Rogers: and so the same as we may put certain requirements in regarding the wetland restoration and the

[2:40:46] Trustee Rogers: water management plan but the if modi may put another layer of and as i understand we'll put

[2:40:52] Trustee Rogers: another layer on just as they will related to the covenant for the access to lot two because

[2:40:59] Trustee Rogers: every subdivision i've ever seen requires you to have an access to each tour

[2:41:05] Trustee Rogers: to each lot and if

[2:41:07] Trustee Rogers: they're not going to have an access up to the road they're going to have to have some legal way to

[2:41:12] Trustee Rogers: get into it in other words our motive won't prove it

[2:41:14] Voice 3: so the appropriate place for me to explore some

[2:41:17] Voice 3: about those issues would be in the community information meeting where i can ask questions

[2:41:22] Voice 3: you

[2:41:22] Trustee Rogers: can ask questions of and

[2:41:24] Trustee Rogers: that's why i encourage them to bring their experts to ask

[2:41:27] Trustee Rogers: whoever it is that did the water remediation plan whoever it is that did the did the uh the runoff

[2:41:33] Trustee Rogers: because we had both a hydrologist and a hydrogeologist in this as i'm going back a

[2:41:38] Trustee Rogers: little bit we

[2:41:39] Voice 11: have we have a hydrogeologist who's who is with the well right groundwater

[2:41:44] Voice 11: and we have

[2:41:45] Voice 11: msr right he

[2:41:46] Voice 11: was who are the um engineers right surface

[2:41:49] Voice 11: water and

[2:41:50] Trustee Rogers: you all but you also had the

[2:41:52] Trustee Rogers: the woman who wrote that whose name i've forgotten i'm sorry

[2:41:55] Trustee Rogers: i just haven't read the materials for a

[2:41:57] Trustee Rogers: while a

[2:41:57] Voice 11: biologist her name is andre right

[2:42:00] Trustee Rogers: that did the that did the wetland restoration plan so yeah

[2:42:04] Trustee Rogers: so that would

[2:42:06] Trustee Rogers: be the time to ask these questions and specific questions about about uh you know

[2:42:12] Trustee Rogers: how the water manage how that's going to be the runoff is going to be managed and it'd be good

[2:42:18] Trustee Rogers: information i mean it's pretty clear to me sitting up here that that may be if it's not number one

[2:42:26] Trustee Rogers: it's 1a of all the questions that are being asked right

[2:42:30] Voice 15: um

[2:42:31] Trustee Rogers: and uh there might be a 1a a 1b and a 1c

[2:42:36] Trustee Rogers: but it's certainly one of those top two or three, four questions about this application that is important.

[2:42:43] Trustee Rogers: And to clarify, there's no plan right now?

[2:42:47] Trustee Rogers: Well, sir, there's the documents that are on the website.

[2:42:50] Trustee Rogers: They

[2:42:50] Voice 4: say no plan. They say when we have finalized the design.

[2:42:58] Voice 4: It's

[2:42:58] Voice 11: a preliminary plan that's there. We're in very preliminary stages of development.

[2:43:03] Voice 11: development but

[2:43:05] Voice 4: msi specifically references the future they say when we have a plan we'll have

[2:43:10] Voice 4: a plan so it just seems a little like there's no runoff plan right and i quote that's what it says

[2:43:19] Voice 4: um

[2:43:20] Trustee Rogers: but so there's not so there's no document we're missing i think all of the doc unless

[2:43:25] Trustee Rogers: i'm mistaken every document that we've received every report that we've received

[2:43:30] Trustee Rogers: is on the website so those are the ones that we have there's no plan okay

[2:43:43] Voice 15: yes mr mackie

[2:43:45] Trustee Rogers: just so

[2:43:47] Voice 3: that i understand the process we're moving into on the 24th community information meeting which

[2:43:53] Voice 3: means that mhs and and you folks think that the information or and the file is at a point where

[2:44:02] Voice 3: you can bring it to the public let them understand it and then you're moving quickly into a public

[2:44:07] Voice 3: hearing which means that you think that the information is probably about as good as it's

[2:44:11] Voice 3: going to get and so the real process is to build awareness so that people can participate in public

[2:44:16] Voice 3: hearing is that correct well

[2:44:18] Trustee Rogers: so that yes i mean in essence i'll just paraphrase it slightly

[2:44:21] Trustee Rogers: differently if that's all right with you so the process is we've given second reading to these

[2:44:27] Trustee Rogers: bylaws is that right

[2:44:28] Voice 15: given

[2:44:29] Trustee Rogers: first reading so before we can give second or third reading to the bylaws

[2:44:33] Trustee Rogers: we have to have a public hearing and the practice is an invariable practice of the

[2:44:41] Trustee Rogers: islands trust is to have community information meetings so that people can be informed about

[2:44:45] Trustee Rogers: what the bylaws are first of all so you'll hear from planner chadwick about what the legal

[2:44:51] Trustee Rogers: structure is the housing agreement the 219 covenants the two bylaws and you'll hear that

[2:44:57] Trustee Rogers: and that people can understand what the actual project is which is when you'll hear from the

[2:45:01] Trustee Rogers: applicant about what the structure the physical structure is and what the plans are etc etc

[2:45:06] Trustee Rogers: and that's to put you in a better position to be able to then come and tell the the ltc your view

[2:45:15] Trustee Rogers: as to what should happen and it's only after the public hearing is finished that we would make any

[2:45:21] Trustee Rogers: final decision about that and we have a wide latitude of decision making we can we can stop

[2:45:30] Trustee Rogers: we can say we need more information about x um or y or we can give the third reading and we

[2:45:41] Trustee Rogers: probably have other options that i'm not actually talking about but those are those are the three

[2:45:45] Trustee Rogers: ones that come to to mind immediately thanks very much for that no that's fine it's good to know the

[2:45:51] Trustee Rogers: process um and and it's why we always say that we you know until we make a decision we haven't made

[2:45:57] Trustee Rogers: decision except to move it forward i always care for it i got trouble for saying this once but i

[2:46:02] Trustee Rogers: i still think this is the right way to characterize it what i see these applications being is

[2:46:07] Trustee Rogers: i'm i besides us we start out by asking for a whole bunch of information which we did we asked

[2:46:12] Trustee Rogers: for reports around x was it have we asked i don't know maybe maybe someone will convince us we

[2:46:17] Trustee Rogers: haven't asked for every enough uh that's certainly what you're saying um then i what i say is the

[2:46:23] Trustee Rogers: process keeps moving until the ltc in my mind finds a stopping point if they find a point in

[2:46:30] Trustee Rogers: the process where they say you know what this just ain't working we're going to stop here and there's

[2:46:35] Trustee Rogers: nothing you can nothing more that we want to ask for but we just don't think this is working we

[2:46:39] Trustee Rogers: want to stop so we look for stopping points i think what you've heard from us today we haven't

[2:46:43] Trustee Rogers: found a stopping point and so that's that that's so we're continuing the process is that fair yep

[2:46:52] Voice 13: no it's quite fair and every time you know we've done as much to get as many reports about issues

[2:46:59] Voice 13: and it's going back to you know who's going to make a decision on whether it's enough or not

[2:47:03] Voice 13: enough we have

[2:47:04] Voice 13: the expert opinions laid out we know how the mechanism works whether at the end

[2:47:10] Voice 13: of the day the people giving the reports are doing their jobs or not well they all come with

[2:47:17] Voice 13: qualifications so we're moving and and i want to also point out the water that's on that property

[2:47:23] Voice 13: now has been on that property for a long time so you know it's however this project does or

[2:47:29] Voice 13: doesn't progress you have a lot of water on that coming down and that's been going on for a long

[2:47:34] Voice 13: long time and um so the water that's there now has always been there they did not create the problem

[2:47:40] Voice 13: the concern certainly for the trust committee would be is the construction going to increase

[2:47:46] Voice 13: increase that or is the possibility of this going to is there a way to mitigate the water that's

[2:47:52] Voice 13: already there plus control the potential water coming and you know that's we haven't sort of got

[2:47:58] Voice 13: all of that lined up yet in our heads and whether there's more especially in terms of multi if there

[2:48:04] Voice 13: aren't things responsibilities there that they should have taken into consideration but none of

[2:48:09] Voice 13: those road those roads were built like an all-new go without any engineering Etc Etc and that includes

[2:48:15] Voice 13: whose Maple Drive has been there since 1960, if not before.

[2:48:18] Voice 13: So these are roads that are ancient.

[2:48:22] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for that question.

[2:48:24] Trustee Rogers: I think it's important because sometimes I do find people don't,

[2:48:26] Trustee Rogers: and I try and explain it, but that was a very big question.

[2:48:30] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate the opportunity to explain the process.

[2:48:33] Trustee Rogers: Anybody else? Yeah.

[2:48:35] Voice 11: I have a request, please.

[2:48:36] Voice 11: Is it possible for us to get the exact wording of the motions that you passed

[2:48:41] Voice 11: regarding this application so that we can communicate it to the family?

[2:48:44] Voice 11: um

[2:48:44] Trustee Rogers: i think so probably when do you usually get the draft minutes into

[2:48:49] Trustee Rogers: narissa oh

[2:48:51] Voice 10: to narissa i submit to robin and how they when they get to narissa is totally beyond me

[2:48:57] Voice 10: i'm gonna expect wednesday or friday because i've got meetings tomorrow and

[2:49:09] Voice 10: again on thursday

[2:49:10] Voice 10: say so i'm going to be trying to process as quickly as i can so

[2:49:15] Trustee Rogers: narissa can we ask you that

[2:49:16] Trustee Rogers: when you get them from robin you can pass when you when you're satisfied the wording is as we pass

[2:49:21] Trustee Rogers: them you can get the draft and they're not official of course that we adopted but i think

[2:49:26] Trustee Rogers: that's a fair request um

[2:49:27] Voice 10: thank you actually they're in the package the agenda yeah but we

[2:49:31] Trustee Rogers: changed something i

[2:49:32] Voice 10: thought that could i make the changes on a on something that are in there

[2:49:39] Trustee Rogers: i think it's probably better

[2:49:40] Voice 10: if they go

[2:49:41] Trustee Rogers: through the rest and the rest i can give them

[2:49:43] Trustee Rogers: um okay is there anything else if not it's beautiful afternoon

[2:49:50] Trustee Rogers: monday and we'll adjourn and we'll see you uh 12 no one o'clock

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Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
September 26, 2022 
Mayne Island Agricultural Hall 
430 Fernhill Road, Mayne Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Dan Rogers, Chair 
 Jeanine Dodds, Trustee 
 David Maude, Trustee 
  
Staff Present:  
 Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner 
 Pat Todd, Recorder 
 
There were approximately sixteen (16) members of the public in attendance. 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Rogers called the meeting to order at 1:04pm. Chair Rogers acknowledged that the 
meeting was being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations and noted Friday 
is Truth and Reconciliation Day. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 Add:  13.2 Uses on the foreshore? 
           13.3 Meeting with Bylaw Officers for Capital Regional District (CRD) and    
Islands Trust (IT) 
 
 By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Peter Robinson, Hedgerow Farm, spoke to the difficulty of getting workers due to lack of 
affordable housing.  While working with BC Housing in the 90’s he was involved with the 
construction of a number of units throughout the province.  Concerns of neighbours were 
addressed and after housing was in place for a few years concerns disappeared and the 
investment into the community was evident. 
Tim Mackie, Maple Drive, questioned the Housing Agreement currently before the Local Trust 
Committee (LTC) and the actual affordability based on rental scale - income.  He raised a 
number of concerns regarding development:  clearing of trees; flooding and expense of project 
to meet housing needs. 
A D O P T E D 

 
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Nikko Preston, Village Bay Road, stated concerns with the site, not the project.  Issues include 
flooding, water demand, surface water flow and removal of forest cover.  Suggestion to 
distribute housing footprint.  Also questioned the required income of future tenants. 
Glen McLeod, Maple Drive, questioned impact on property values for those next to 
development as well as water impact on neighbours, both surface and ground water.  Mt. Parke 
has significant run-off – impact demonstrated on a video from storm 2021. (which was 
forwarded to LTC).  As the area is served by wells, concerns for quality and quantity of water 
with increased demand. 
Chair Rogers noted video footage would have been more helpful if available earlier. 
Lise McLeod asked what Trustees would suggest to ensure compensation/mitigation if 
wells/property is damaged by impact of project. 
Trustee Maude cited this would be outside of LTC scope. 
Trustee Dodds noted that there are multiple reports from experts.  The LTC takes advice from 
the Planner who considers all documents/reports.  There are a number of further agencies that 
monitor and manage the project:  Ministry of Health, Ministry of Transportation and 
Infrastructure (MoTI), Housing Society, various Provincial authorities. 
Regarding question of income - $60,000 to $70,000 is the cap. 
Tim Mackie addressed the Covenant and noted the Wet Land Pan for restoration has been 
downgraded and doesn’t include Lot 1.  Further questioned rental formula and wording of 
Agreement. 
Planner Chadwick clarified that the rental rates as identified in the housing agreement are 
flexible. The average of the combination of rates is to be 30% of the average of incomes in each 
income category. As a results there may be rates that are higher and ones that are lower 
dependent on the income of the household. Chair Rogers stated questions would be very 
appropriate for Community Information Meeting (CIM) and Public Hearing (PH).  Change to a 
bylaw requires a PH and the Housing Agreement and Covenant are likely to be part of PH so 
community has complete package. 
Glen McLeod spoke to the changing housing market – peaks and valleys.   An increase in supply 
will drive rents down.  Supportive of flex housing which will add to market. 
4. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING - None 
5. PUBLIC HEARING - None 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record Dated June 27, 2022 
  Received for information. 
6.2 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated July 25, 2022 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 

 
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  Page 6 – Chair’s Report – third line:  change Aug. 29, 2022 to Sept. 20, 2022 
By general consent the minutes were adopted as amended. 
6.3 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record Dated July 25, 2022  
  Received for information. 
6.4 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
6.5 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes Dated September 6, 2022  
  The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
  Page 2 – last paragraph:  change Jodie to joey 
  Page 3 – first bullet:  change John to Sean 
  Received for information 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List Dated Sept 2022 
Planner Chadwick informed the LTC that the Flex Housing Bylaw is still with Ministry.   
8. DELEGATIONS - None 
9. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
10. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
10.1 North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaw 223  
   MA-2022-083 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee interests are not affected by North 
Pender Island Local Trust Committee Proposed Bylaw 223. 
CARRIED 
10.2 North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaw 224 
  MA-2022-084 
  It Was Moved and Seconded, 
 that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee interests are not affected by North 
Pender Island Local Trust Committee Proposed Bylaw 224. 
CARRIED 
 
  

 
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10.3 North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaw 229  
  MA-2022-085 
  It Was Moved and Seconded, 
 that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee interests are not affected by North 
Pender Island Local Trust Committee Proposed Bylaw 229. 
CARRIED 
 
10.4 MA-RZ-2020.1 (Mayne Island Housing Society) 
Planner Chadwick reviewed the staff Report.  Housing Agreement has been updated.  
The Advisory Planning Commission (APC) has recommended that donation of land is 
sufficient to meet Amenity requirements. 
Discussion: 
 Holding CIM and PH prior to election; 
 Chair Rogers informed LTC that swearing in of elected Trustees will occur mid-
November; 
 Question of driveway to Lot 2 coming off Lot 1 – not noted in Covenant: this will be 
addressed as an Easement on Title; 
 Housing Agreement – rental fees to reflect island incomes; 
 CHMC and BC Housing rules and formulas ensure affordability; 
 Covenant:  if not built could lot become a Conservation parcel; 
 Conservancy may not be  interested; 
 Zoning and Covenants protect lot; 
 Financial structure:  rents will be as low as possible to meet program requirements; 
and 
 Number of issues to work on beyond Islands Trust (IT) scope. 
MA-2022-086 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request Planner to speak with 
Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure regarding surface water concerns 
off Mount Parke onto proposed Mayne Island Housing Society site and report 
prior to October 24, 2022. 
  CARRIED 
 Recommendations for water management more stringent than in Housing 
Agreement; 
 Society committed to remediation on Lot 2 and 3; and 
 Water run-off is a significant issue for neighbours. 
Nikko Preston informed LT that driveway for Lot 1 crosses his property without an 
Easement so questions access to Lot 2. 
Planner Chadwick stated this would be addressed during the Subdivision process. 

 
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Chair Rogers questioned having Third Reading of housing Agreement prior to PH. 
Dan Brown, on behalf of Mayne Island Housing Society (MIHS) stated: 
 Appreciation to Advisory Planning Committee (APC) and Planner’s efforts; 
 In agreement with recommendations proposed within Staff Report; 
 Reports/work done by experienced experts; 
 Plan to develop with least possible impact; improve water situation; 
 Extensive support of community and government; and 
 Housing Agreement designed to meet requirements of project and funding 
agencies who are all committed to provision of affordable housing. 
Chair Rogers recommended that Housing Agreement and Covenant be as compete as 
possible prior to PH. 
MA-2022-087 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Islands Local Trust Committee accept the draft Housing 
Agreement associated with MARZ-2020.1 (MIHS) and designate the Chair of the 
Local Trust Committee to sign the Housing Agreement after adoption of Bylaw 
No. 182, 2022.  
CARRIED 
MA-2022-088 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 182 cited as “Mayne 
Island Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 182, 2022” be read for the first time.  
CARRIED 
MA-2022-089 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 182 cited as “Mayne 
Island Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 182, 2022” be read for the second time.  
 CARRIED 
  

 
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MA-2022-090 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee considers that combined with best 
efforts to construct, pursuant to Section 18 of the draft s.219 Covenant, the 
donation of the proposed Lot 3  represents an amenity under Official 
Community Plan policy 2.10.2.  
CARRIED 
MA-2022-091 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to investigate and 
update s.219 Covenant regarding easement for Lot 2. 
CARRIED 
 
MA-2022-092 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a 
Community Information Meeting for MA-RZ-2020.1 to be scheduled for October 
24, 2022.  
CARRIED 
 
MA-2022-093 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a Public 
Hearing for MA-RZ-2020.1 to be scheduled for October 31, 2022.  
CARRIED 
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11. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
11.1 Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw No. 185  
  This Fees schedule represents a significant increase for the average person. 
MA-2022-094 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee defer Fees Bylaw No. 185 to 
October 24. 2022 agenda. 
CARRIED 
 
 

 
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12. REPORTS 
12.1 Work Program Reports 
12.1.1 Top Priorities Report Dated Sept 2022 – received for information 
12.1.2 Projects List Report Dated Sept 2022 – received for information 
12.2 Applications Report Dated Sept 2022 – received for information 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated July 2022 – received for information 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions – received for information 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage – will be updated at conclusion of meeting 
12.6 Chair's Report 
Chair Rogers spoke to the Virtual Trust Council meeting held last week.  Work continues 
with Governance Report and a Governance Committee has been formed.  There was a 
presentation by the province regarding the development of a Coastal Marine Strategy.  
IT Policy Statement Review has been sent to staff to redraft:  to simplify language, clarify 
and bring First Nations more into decision process.  Elections to be held on 10 out of 12 
islands on October 15, 2022. 
12.7 Trustee Report 
Trustee Dodds reported that questions from community have increased.  Issues include 
responsibilities and rights on foreshore, concerns regarding Wood Dale Drive, 
substandard housing.  Added that more population brings more development which 
increases frustrations.  Water Districts maintained during the summer.  Suggested a 
community information session to detail “How things function.” 
Trustee Maude spoke to a recent gathering with First Nations which was followed by a 
get together with Japanese families.  Historical perspectives were fascinating and 
touching.  Fall Fair was an overwhelming success and renovations to Thrift Store are 
coming together. 
12.8 Islands Trust Conservancy Report - None 
12.8.1 Islands Trust Conservancy Plan  
LTC complimented the document.  Accomplishments over the years are most 
impressive.  IT Conservancy a steward of the “preserve and protect” aspect of 
IT. 
   MA-2022-095 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request Planner send a letter 
commending and congratulating the Islands Trust Conservancy on their 3 year 
plan to be signed by Chair Rogers. 
CARRIED 

 
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13. NEW BUSINESS 
13.1 Water Storage Tank Siting Safety  
  There have been concerns raised regarding safety/inspection of storage tanks. 
  Understanding is that tanks for over 300 gallons require a building permit. 
  Planner Chadwick will investigate and report back to LTC. 
 13.2 Uses on Foreshore 
Discussion as to how best to explain what’s allowed/not allowed on foreshore – what 
are the rights and responsibilities: could prepare an information package to mail out to 
residents. 
 MA-2022-096 
 It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to add Foreshore 
Development Education to the Projects List. 
CARRIED 
 13.3 Meeting with CRD and IT Bylaw Officers 
Discussion regarding a community meeting to bring together Bylaw Officers from CRD 
and IT to discuss responsibilities – where there is overlap. 
Item will be added to Follow-up Action Report. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for October 24, 2022 at the Agricultural Hall, Mayne 
Island 
15. TOWN HALL  
 Deb Foote spoke to alternate times for meetings with community: evenings, weekends. 
This is difficult due to staff travel and time.  Meetings can be taped and accessed through IT web 
site. 
Nikko Preston questioned MoTI and water issues:  management of run-off, storm water.  Is 
there a plan? 
MoTI would identify actions required during subdivision process and CRD would also address 
through Building Permit process. 
Tim Mackie stated that ditches on Lot 1 moved water to Lot 2 and Lot 3 which in turn directed it 
onto Maple Drive.  Questioned liability to current owner and whether development may 
exacerbate the affect. 
Chair Rogers reviewed the process.  Prior to 2
nd
 and 3
rd
 readings of Bylaw(s) there is a CIM and a 
PH after which LTC votes on Bylaw(s).  There are a number of layers of approvals required for 

 
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the project.  Questions can be raised at the CIM and it is expected that a number of the authors 
of reports would be available. 
16. CLOSED MEETING - None 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 4:06 pm. 
 
 
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Dan Rogers, Chair 
 
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Certified Correct: 
Pat Todd, Recorder