Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 29, 2022

[0:00:09] Voice 14: Yeah, I think it was just a screen for the class.

[0:00:30] Voice 14: Good

[0:00:37] Trustee Langereis: morning, everyone. Oh, we'll let one other person come in.

[0:00:41] Trustee Langereis: Hi, Toby. It's great that you get to know people by their first name.

[0:00:49] Trustee Langereis: The before we start the the Gabriel local trust committee meet the formal meeting.

[0:00:56] Trustee Langereis: uh i will start by saying that i wanted to acknowledge we're of course meeting on the

[0:01:02] Trustee Langereis: traditional territories of the coast salish people number of coast salish peoples and

[0:01:06] particularly the tsunamic uh first nation we're pleased to be here uh an honor to be here

[0:01:13] privileged to be

[0:01:13] Trustee Langereis: here first uh tomorrow is um uh well this is actually national

[0:01:18] Trustee Langereis: reconciliation week but tomorrow is the formal day when many events will be occurring i'm sure

[0:01:25] Trustee Langereis: we may hear about that as we point to the meeting uh but before we um uh start the actual meeting

[0:01:33] Trustee Langereis: uh we have i have the honor of sort of turning it over to trustee colbert and some others as as um

[0:01:40] Trustee Langereis: to present a community stewardship award from islands trust islands trust has every now every

[0:01:49] Trustee Langereis: four years makes awards people who have made a significant difference to their community

[0:01:53] Trustee Langereis: They're called the Community Stewardship Award, and people from across the Islands Trust have

[0:02:00] Trustee Langereis: been awarded this award over the years, including a number of them from Gabriola, and it's an

[0:02:08] Trustee Langereis: interesting process.

[0:02:09] Trustee Langereis: I sit on the committee that has done this and see the history and what the contributions

[0:02:14] Trustee Langereis: of people, because as we all know, it's all about community and the environment, and how

[0:02:23] Trustee Langereis: they go hand in hand so uh with that i'm actually going to turn it over now to trustee colburn uh

[0:02:30] Trustee Langereis: for the presentation of the uh community stewardship award today um thank you very

[0:02:36] Trustee Langereis: much i'll just do that right now thank you

[0:02:39] Trustee Colbourne: thank you rogers um marty do you want me to make some

[0:02:43] Trustee Colbourne: short remarks and then do you want to come up or ted what do you want i'm going to leave and

[0:02:48] Trustee Colbourne: that we think should sit here okay

[0:02:50] Voice 17: okay

[0:02:52] Trustee Colbourne: sure um so some short remarks um this is not an award i

[0:03:01] Trustee Colbourne: want to give um and i don't want to do it posthumously and chris wouldn't want it wouldn't

[0:03:07] Trustee Colbourne: have won it when he was alive because he was such a pain in the ass to government

[0:03:11] Trustee Colbourne: and that's what made him so effective i traveled with him to uh engagement with the department of

[0:03:16] Trustee Colbourne: fisheries and oceans in vancouver and to see him in action he was so passionate and so good at it

[0:03:23] Trustee Colbourne: and he knew that any talk of environment community is interconnected that you have to do something

[0:03:29] Trustee Colbourne: with those floating time bombs that will destroy ecosystems off the coast or else everything that

[0:03:33] Trustee Colbourne: we do is in vain um and that was the cause of later in life and he did so much before that

[0:03:39] Trustee Colbourne: on this island and elsewhere so um i don't want to do it but i will uh i'm very honored to present

[0:03:46] Trustee Colbourne: i'm chris straw and martin gilmore on behalf of the family with the community stewardship award

[0:03:52] Trustee Colbourne: for chris our friend hi

[0:04:13] Voice 7: i'm martin gilmore i'm chris's wife middle i guess although that's not

[0:04:19] Voice 7: a term that i've gotten used to using yet and i'm gonna try not to cry this morning um it's really

[0:04:27] Voice 7: an honor and a privilege for me to accept this on behalf of Chris. Our daughter and our grandson

[0:04:34] Voice 7: were planning to be here this morning, but they're both sick in bed. To a lot of people in our

[0:04:43] Voice 7: community, Chris was known as somebody who was friendly, outgoing, quick thinking, a smart ass,

[0:04:51] Voice 7: really he always had a quip at hand and what a lot of people might not have known was that

[0:05:01] Voice 7: Chris had an exceptional mind and an incredible ability to look at a situation to grasp the

[0:05:09] Voice 7: important elements of that situation and to understand all the fine nuances soon after we

[0:05:17] Voice 7: We returned from our Toronto exile, intermude.

[0:05:26] Voice 7: Chris found out, I believe, by a Derek,

[0:05:30] Voice 7: about the proposed five anchorages

[0:05:32] Voice 7: for off the northeast shore of Gabriela.

[0:05:36] Voice 7: And he was shocked and I would say outraged

[0:05:40] Voice 7: because he'd spent a lot of time paddling his kayak

[0:05:43] Voice 7: up until that shore.

[0:05:44] Voice 7: and he knew that was no place for freighters to be angry um so he joined GAFA he thought he was

[0:05:54] Voice 7: coming back to Gabriela to retire but he joined GAFA and quickly became totally immersed in that

[0:06:04] Voice 7: organization um he realized that the issues were bigger than just the five proposed anchorages

[0:06:16] Voice 7: and that it was interconnected with what was going on all down the Salish Sea

[0:06:24] Voice 7: through the southern Gulf Islands.

[0:06:26] Voice 7: And so he immersed himself in researching everything he could

[0:06:32] Voice 7: about the freighters and the potential negative impacts

[0:06:38] Voice 7: that they would have on our islands and our communities.

[0:06:43] Voice 7: and he realized he was a people person despite as Ted pointed out that he often wore a t-shirt

[0:06:54] Voice 7: that he had made saying not a people person he was in

[0:06:59] Voice 7: fact a people person and he realized that

[0:07:02] Voice 7: to make change he had to connect with all of the different players Port of Vancouver

[0:07:07] Voice 7: who were politicians, community members, community leaders, First Nations.

[0:07:14] Voice 7: And he did form those relationships and actually, I think, was pretty effective at convincing some of those people about the importance of this issue.

[0:07:28] Voice 7: He was really proud when the president of the Chamber of Commerce, or not Chamber of Commerce, Chamber of Shipping,

[0:07:35] Voice 7: um who he sparred with a lot and called to task quite a lot um contacted him one day and said

[0:07:45] Voice 7: you know more about this issue than anybody else in canada we should be working for government

[0:07:52] Voice 7: no i'm not going back there um anyway i think that everybody that he had contact with

[0:08:01] Voice 7: during his um i guess it was five and a half years but he was with gapa was impressed with his

[0:08:09] Voice 7: knowledge and um with his approach even though he was not afraid to ask the hard questions um

[0:08:20] Voice 7: he worked with sheila malcolmson when she was our mp and then uh with alistair mcgraper who's

[0:08:27] Voice 7: mp for competition and help to develop a private members bill it's uh c250 uh the bill seeks to

[0:08:41] Voice 7: amend the canada shipping act to prohibit ships from anchoring within certain waters

[0:08:47] Voice 7: specifically those around the southern belt islands and just one month after chris died

[0:08:54] Voice 7: Alistair presented a petition in the house to support that bill. I'm not sure where it is right

[0:09:03] Voice 7: now, where it stands. I didn't do my research. But I think it's a really important bill for us to

[0:09:11] Voice 7: keep our eyes on. You know, you look out this morning, there are freighters everywhere.

[0:09:17] Voice 7: repair um so on behalf of our family i really thank the islands trust for honoring chris's

[0:09:27] Voice 7: dedication to preserving our environment in particular the marine environment and i would

[0:09:35] Voice 7: like to close if i can have a few more minutes i don't want to take too much time with a poem that

[0:09:40] Voice 7: that was written by our friend and neighbor, Janet Vickers.

[0:09:44] Voice 7: She wrote it in Chris's memory.

[0:09:47] Voice 7: It's called This for Chris Straw.

[0:09:50] Voice 7: To bring people into a single room

[0:09:53] Voice 7: with maps, charts, projections,

[0:09:56] Voice 7: theories about huge tankers anchored in the street,

[0:10:00] Voice 7: their crews cooped in the belly for months for profit

[0:10:03] Voice 7: to those we don't know.

[0:10:05] Voice 7: This is something he can do.

[0:10:08] Voice 7: Frame pictures of all of our point,

[0:10:10] Voice 7: taken yesterday or a hundred years ago you stare at unable to move as if there is a message in the

[0:10:18] Voice 7: invisible arms holding you there something important a mystery which you try to grasp

[0:10:24] Voice 7: this is something he can do to stay with the grief to list all that has been lost

[0:10:32] Voice 7: feel a presence from ancestors to grandchildren knowing tomorrow will never be the same

[0:10:40] Voice 7: sorry beyond our understanding this is something we can do to keep familiar faces in the heart

[0:10:51] Voice 7: when questions too large for mind call for comfort from the bravest dreams in our community

[0:10:58] Voice 7: this is something i can do thank you very much and ted fullerton who was

[0:11:07] Voice 7: invaluable in chris's work is going to say a few words

[0:11:18] Voice 14: my name is ted fullerton when the map originally appeared in the sounder thank you derek

[0:11:32] for

[0:11:35] Voice 5: all of us in gaffer for choosing chris strong for this island trust community stewardship award

[0:11:40] Voice 5: i wish he was still with us and could receive your award in person thank you all to marty and

[0:11:46] Voice 5: chloe chris's family for sharing chris with us he was a huge contributor thank you chris was full

[0:11:52] Voice 5: of fun and full of seriousness he had a deadpan face and had me confused so often

[0:11:57] his humor was that much more delicious when it appeared uh mark you already mentioned the uh

[0:12:03] t-shirt i asked him when he was wearing that t-shirt what are you doing

[0:12:07] i'm making a shitty desk a little deck a little less shitty

[0:12:11] uh chris was an outlier he was an anomaly in life and in death he was an amazing complete human

[0:12:22] and functioning with

[0:12:23] Voice 5: equal ease in private and public,

[0:12:25] in small and in large gatherings with industry people,

[0:12:29] Voice 5: First Nations people, and politicians.

[0:12:31] Voice 5: Chris was a one-man protest society.

[0:12:34] Voice 5: He did pretty much everything, including establishing

[0:12:36] Voice 5: and energizing the South Coast Shipwatch Alliance,

[0:12:39] Voice 5: a gathering of Southern Gulf Island protesters similar to GAFA.

[0:12:44] Voice 5: Both GAFA and the Alliance are struggling now

[0:12:47] Voice 5: to regroup in Chris's absence.

[0:12:50] Voice 5: I told Chris several times we should study

[0:12:52] Voice 5: what makes him tick because we needed more of what he had

[0:12:55] Voice 14: everywhere

[0:12:56] Voice 5: on our planet. He arrived at

[0:12:57] Voice 5: exactly the right time with exactly the right skills to re-energize GAFA. I think I speak for

[0:13:04] Voice 5: everyone in and related to GAFA, although not officially, in saying that Chris's involvement

[0:13:09] Voice 5: is crucial, exemplary, motivating, unifying, and energizing. I, for one, am continuing the effort

[0:13:15] Voice 5: in Chris's honor. Chris and I had many sessions together at his house, at Mads, on the road,

[0:13:20] Voice 5: to meetings, at public protests, at Mads people would come up to him and say, what are you plotting

[0:13:27] Voice 5: now? I think lots of us saw him as a powerful community activist and I think the Adams Trust

[0:13:33] Voice 5: agrees by awarding him this special posthumous community stewardship award. Chris had many years

[0:13:39] Voice 5: ahead of him to make even more contributions. I wish he still had those opportunities. I also

[0:13:46] Voice 5: wish he had more time to be with his family. Quitting GAFA to be with his family was one of

[0:13:51] Voice 5: of the last things he said to me before he died chris's death was an anomaly an outlier a rare

[0:13:57] accident sort of like his life there's no reason that makes any sense of it to me as to why he had

[0:14:03] to leave us with so much potential to live but

[0:14:06] Voice 5: chris's passing is a reminder to me to live life

[0:14:09] Voice 5: now

[0:14:09] Voice 14: enjoy

[0:14:11] Voice 5: the now smell the roses pat the pets hug each other we all face the same outcome we

[0:14:15] Voice 5: just don't know when or how it's the living not the ending that matters i think chris sure did

[0:14:21] Voice 5: live an amazing life. I only wish I knew him earlier and that we could continue to know him

[0:14:26] Voice 5: better. Farewell, Chris. You made our lives better. Thank you, Owens Trust, for your recognition of

[0:14:31] Voice 5: Chris's work. And thank you again to Marty, Chloe, and Chris's family for sharing with us in the work.

[0:14:51] Voice 17: Can I get a picture of you?

[0:14:53] Voice 17: Oh, sure. I think they want us to get a picture.

[0:15:24] Okay, thank you very much, smile with your arms,

[0:15:27] Trustee Langereis: thank you so much, thank you.

[0:15:33] Trustee Langereis: so we have um we have some refreshments over here i think to sort of just to have a little

[0:15:42] Trustee Langereis: time to speak to the speakers and just to know each other before we start

[0:15:48] Trustee Langereis: please help yourself uh before we can do this before we get into our meeting

[0:15:56] Trustee Langereis: Thank

[0:15:57] Voice 17: you very much.

[0:15:58] Voice 7: Thanks very much.

[0:16:07] Voice 7: She was hoping to be here.

[0:16:11] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:16:12] Voice 7: Do you want to comment?

[0:16:14] Voice 7: Yes.

[0:16:17] Voice 7: So she said it was just.

[0:16:19] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:16:23] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:16:23] Voice 10: I know.

[0:16:24] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:30:06] Well, there

[0:30:09] Voice 14: you go,

[0:30:12] Voice 3: going

[0:30:14] Voice 14: to do it.

[0:30:39] I

[0:30:43] Voice 17: guess I'll have to start the recording again.

[0:30:47] Voice 17: black

[0:30:56] Voice 14: streaming it says i'm black streaming

[0:30:57] Voice 17: and my camera's on okay thank you

[0:31:03] Trustee Langereis: everyone that was uh

[0:31:04] Trustee Langereis: appreciate the words of everybody involved um we're going to start our meeting now so if you

[0:31:12] Trustee Langereis: wanted to grab this before we we started because we're going to be writing through

[0:31:16] Trustee Langereis: um uh all of our um material as well so uh this is where where we do our work so uh welcome to the

[0:31:26] Trustee Langereis: the um the gabriola uh local trust committee for uh september the 29th 2022 um uh the meeting is

[0:31:36] Trustee Langereis: being live streamed and for those of you who are watching the live stream and uh we took a bit of

[0:31:42] Trustee Langereis: a break to have um some refreshments and have some people and people have some discussions around

[0:31:49] Trustee Langereis: chris straw the community stewardship award uh but we're not so we're not going to start the

[0:31:55] Trustee Langereis: actual um formal part of the meeting uh somehow seems a bit um the right word is um yeah anticlimactic

[0:32:06] Trustee Langereis: anyway uh but such such that it is uh my name is dan rogers i've had the um pleasure of being the

[0:32:15] Trustee Langereis: vice chair on gabriola now for almost four years it's been um a great ride including through two

[0:32:25] Trustee Langereis: years or a year and a half anyway of um zoom meetings with during the height of the pandemic

[0:32:32] Trustee Langereis: when things were shut down um i don't want to describe it by any means that the pandemic's over

[0:32:37] Trustee Langereis: uh thank you for the people in this room there's a number of people including myself when i'm not

[0:32:42] Trustee Langereis: speaking uh they're still masking and uh they're encouraged but not required um uh with uh i come

[0:32:51] Trustee Langereis: come from Alcatsum House on Keats Island. I'm on the executive committee of the Islands Trust

[0:32:59] Trustee Langereis: and I have been assigned to Gabriel, as I said, as well as Galliano and Maine Islands as the

[0:33:04] Trustee Langereis: vice chair for the last four years with me. Our trustee Scott Colbert and also trustee

[0:33:12] Trustee Langereis: case long grass um uh you know they're of course your local trustees for um a while um in the uh

[0:33:22] Trustee Langereis: in in on gabriola and have been for the last since the last election um also with us today

[0:33:29] Trustee Langereis: are sonja zupanich uh who's the island planner and dean morrow um i probably mispronounced both

[0:33:37] Trustee Langereis: those last names it's only been four years and i know that um the regional planning manager

[0:33:44] Trustee Langereis: heather cower has joined us online as has vanessa craig when we get to her report

[0:33:49] Trustee Langereis: um this is our place of a business and our work and we have an agenda in front of us um i'll have

[0:33:58] Trustee Langereis: more to say about uh comments from the public and when we get to the town hall but for now

[0:34:03] Trustee Langereis: um i'll just go to the approval of the agenda and ask whether or not either trustee has anything

[0:34:10] Trustee Langereis: they wish to add or amend to the agenda trustee libraries have

[0:34:14] Voice 8: you got something yeah i've got

[0:34:15] Trustee Colbourne: something okay i was hoping to move up uh item 13.3 which is the cancelling the october 27th

[0:34:22] Trustee Colbourne: local trust committee meeting and i'd like to move that up as early as possible simply because

[0:34:28] Trustee Colbourne: it has an impact on a number of items including 8.3 and some response from tsunami first nation

[0:34:36] Trustee Colbourne: 8.4 emergency medical services discussion uh we're still that's a difficult one to

[0:34:41] Trustee Colbourne: pull together with first responders and folks with myself and or this ltc and vanessa craig so

[0:34:48] Trustee Colbourne: i'm hoping for more time for that uh 8.5 there's some new information we've received from the

[0:34:54] Trustee Colbourne: director of my long compliance um so yeah i'd like to move up 13.3 to discuss whether or not

[0:35:03] Trustee Colbourne: we have that meeting because then it has an impact on how we discuss those items and have more time

[0:35:07] Trustee Colbourne: to be able to get some information um

[0:35:10] Voice 8: well my sense is that some of our decisions might impact

[0:35:16] Voice 8: that's the same so i'm not sure it needs to bounce it

[0:35:22] Trustee Langereis: so your thing your thought is trustee colbert's point is you think whether we cancel it or not

[0:35:27] Trustee Langereis: will determine how we have the outcome of those decisions and trustee langer is saying those

[0:35:33] Trustee Langereis: decisions may impact whether we need to have a meeting um which are

[0:35:37] Voice 7: not

[0:35:38] Trustee Langereis: not overly surprising

[0:35:39] Trustee Langereis: in completely different points of view um so um well uh but i i guess i mean i i wasn't

[0:35:50] Trustee Langereis: anticipating that i sort of actually thought it might move to the end when we got to the

[0:35:54] Trustee Langereis: to the uh actual upcoming meeting section rather than have it earlier in the agenda

[0:35:58] Trustee Langereis: is there something in particular you want to you like are you thinking that there are some items

[0:36:03] Trustee Langereis: that you might want to defer and bring back on the october yeah meeting that that's exactly what i'm

[0:36:08] Trustee Langereis: that i see but

[0:36:12] Voice 8: that would impact potentially the decision at the end now i mean well if we're

[0:36:16] Voice 8: deferring and moving things to a meeting there has to be a meeting yeah but we don't make the

[0:36:21] Voice 8: decisions at the end and then the outcome of the discussion throughout the meeting would

[0:36:26] Voice 8: sort of influence or color our decision that's

[0:36:30] Voice 14: just the way i see it um i i don't mind if that

[0:36:38] Trustee Langereis: discussion is sort of interwoven into the earlier earlier matters like if we're if we're into the

[0:36:45] Trustee Langereis: discussion under eight for example uh any of the items under eight that we're sort of talking about

[0:36:52] Trustee Langereis: well i want to do that on october the 27th etc we've had one request from the public to move to

[0:36:58] Trustee Langereis: maintain that meeting i know we have some staff advice about that but i um uh which is that better

[0:37:06] Trustee Langereis: of practice is not to have a meeting is effectively the advice but um it strikes me that we could

[0:37:11] Trustee Langereis: probably interweave some of that discussion and then get to 13.3 and make a final decision but

[0:37:17] Trustee Langereis: if we put things on the october 27th meeting well i'm sort of torn now

[0:37:23] Voice 14: um

[0:37:24] Trustee Langereis: because if we have it

[0:37:26] Trustee Langereis: first and and decide well we're not going to no i you know i think we need to talk about these

[0:37:32] Trustee Langereis: things first i think i i think i tend to agree with trustee langer i said on this one i think

[0:37:36] Trustee Langereis: we need to talk about whether it's important to have them or not uh what what the status of them

[0:37:42] Trustee Langereis: is and and and maybe somewhere during the course of the discussion we may have to move 13.3 and

[0:37:49] Trustee Langereis: i'm happy to do that at that point if it becomes obvious that we need to make a decision whether

[0:37:53] Trustee Langereis: we're going to have a meeting we could do with that is that okay with you yeah okay and we'll

[0:37:58] Trustee Langereis: leave it where it is for the moment is there something that that you want okay so we'll leave

[0:38:03] Trustee Langereis: the uh agenda uh we'll bump the agenda as um actually we didn't amend it so as presented

[0:38:14] Trustee Langereis: uh so that's fine so the other day we i have a quick rising report from the in-camera meeting

[0:38:20] Trustee Langereis: a meeting of july the 28th of 2022 and the report is that that meeting a local trust committee

[0:38:27] Trustee Langereis: need to determine to rescind the appointment to the housing advisory planning commission of

[0:38:31] Trustee Langereis: adjacent and that's been notified so that's that's the only issue item that came out of that

[0:38:39] Trustee Langereis: meeting so now we're on uh reports so over to trustees and i and and and you may have noticed

[0:38:49] Trustee Langereis: i take my my mask off to speak simply because it's harder for the broadcast to pick it up if

[0:38:56] Trustee Langereis: people are masked while they're speaking so i'd encourage that to do is you make you feel

[0:39:00] Trustee Langereis: comfortable who would like to go first i see your mask off so go ahead trustee gore

[0:39:03] Trustee Colbourne: okay uh quick

[0:39:05] Trustee Colbourne: report uh we had trust council um in between this meeting in the last ltc passed some uh housing

[0:39:13] Trustee Colbourne: options uh work that had been sort of brewing in the regional planning committee since december and

[0:39:19] Trustee Colbourne: and advance some of the policy statement although it remains unfinished and we're passing that work

[0:39:26] Trustee Colbourne: on to future generations and then I had a really good meeting with the ministry of active

[0:39:33] Trustee Colbourne: ministry of transportation's active transportation grants team I presented them with the report that

[0:39:39] Trustee Colbourne: was done by the mount aerosmith biosphere planning initiative on behalf of the local trust committee

[0:39:45] Trustee Colbourne: and that went really well there's some funding opportunities coming up at a variety of levels

[0:39:51] Trustee Colbourne: and so I'm sure the acclaimed director Craig congratulations and thank you for your service

[0:39:56] Trustee Colbourne: and work in the past four years in the next four years we'll be having some discussions there

[0:40:01] Trustee Colbourne: but that's that's advancing that that report that's of course first across the the islands

[0:40:07] Trustee Colbourne: trust to look at community planning and climate change and the transportation corridors and that's

[0:40:14] Trustee Colbourne: my report okay trustee language yeah

[0:40:19] Voice 8: thank you yeah um as uh dr coleman said we had our trust

[0:40:25] Voice 8: council meeting and we made a number of decisions uh the one that i actually at the third day that i

[0:40:31] Voice 8: was quite pleased about is we made a decision to put the forward ask the regional planning

[0:40:38] Voice 8: committee to look at the issue of carrying capacity on the island to tackle it and see what

[0:40:46] Voice 8: could what can be done with it if it is at all possible but at least the discussion will start

[0:40:51] Voice 8: so i'm quite pleased about that um we've had governance committee committee a couple meetings

[0:40:58] Voice 8: there and of course we passed the terms of reference and the policies for the governance

[0:41:04] Voice 8: committee and that committee that will be formed in march it will be after after the election and

[0:41:15] Voice 8: the other committee was struck it will be started again in march by an election of trustees seven

[0:41:21] Voice 8: trustees um programs committee we had a couple meetings on the trust policy statement and where

[0:41:29] Voice 8: that's going and that's that's moving forward we made a number of recommendations and it's

[0:41:34] Voice 8: something that the next trust council will be grappling with the next step so it's moving

[0:41:39] Voice 8: forward um last week was uh at a community wellness meeting was to name a health center

[0:41:49] Voice 8: and an awesome community wellness network and cedar and i'm going to listen to a number of

[0:41:56] elders to speak about racism and

[0:41:58] Voice 8: their experience in as first nations in our colonial system so

[0:42:04] Voice 8: It was a really good session. It was very hard. Some of the speakers were just so heartrending when they went through, you know, that it was very difficult to hear sometimes.

[0:42:16] Voice 8: And one in particular, he mentioned, when he was talking about himself in the First Nation, he said, you need to speak from the heart, not the head.

[0:42:25] Voice 8: and that's what he expressed

[0:42:27] Voice 8: when he was describing his situation

[0:42:29] Voice 8: that he spoke from the heart not the head

[0:42:32] Voice 8: often like myself

[0:42:33] Voice 8: I tend to go from the head rather than the heart

[0:42:35] Voice 8: so I thought that was

[0:42:38] Voice 8: a very

[0:42:40] Voice 8: good thing

[0:42:41] Voice 8: the other thing I noticed when they're speaking

[0:42:44] Voice 8: as well is that

[0:42:45] Voice 8: First Nations they have a community and a culture

[0:42:48] Voice 8: which holds them together

[0:42:49] Voice 8: like a common culture

[0:42:51] Voice 8: and I think that is one of their big strengths

[0:42:53] Voice 8: is that they've got this culture and their attitude towards land which you know they they

[0:42:59] Voice 8: which is a very positive requirement that they have a an appreciation of land and its role in

[0:43:05] Voice 8: their in their life so it's to their advantage whereas in our western culture our our communities

[0:43:11] Voice 8: tend to fluctuate we move around a lot you know

[0:43:14] Voice 8: the community changes there's a lack of uh

[0:43:18] Voice 8: consistency and stability in our communities because of the constant movement of people

[0:43:23] Voice 8: where the First Nations, they for centuries lived in one area, they got the land, they

[0:43:29] Voice 8: passed that knowledge on to their kids and incorporated their outlook on where they live

[0:43:35] Voice 8: and their relationship with land.

[0:43:37] Voice 8: So there's all stuff like that that came up for me when I was listening to them talk.

[0:43:41] Voice 8: The other thing is Lisa and Willie Barron sent out a letter, a redistribution of the

[0:43:47] Voice 8: the federal riding for Nanaimo.

[0:43:50] Voice 8: And she's asked for people to support a protest

[0:43:54] Voice 8: because they're losing part of the Northern part of Nanaimo

[0:43:58] Voice 8: from the regional district, from the riding,

[0:44:00] Voice 8: their redistribution.

[0:44:01] Voice 8: And the deadline is October the 3rd to submit comments

[0:44:05] Voice 8: and to that.

[0:44:06] Voice 8: So she's asking the people who,

[0:44:08] Voice 8: if you go to her website and you can find the link,

[0:44:13] Voice 8: do you want to read about it,

[0:44:15] Voice 8: look at what the what they're proposing for them that is best riding um

[0:44:22] Voice 17: help me with that thanks okay

[0:44:25] Trustee Langereis: thank you so um and now we're at the chair's report um

[0:44:33] Trustee Langereis: what can i tell you uh trust council was uh the last trust council of the year was

[0:44:39] Trustee Langereis: uh was a couple weeks ago and was virtual um one of the things i think i've learned

[0:44:46] Trustee Langereis: in this period is that having virtual meetings um is you know in some ways you can sort of do other

[0:44:55] Trustee Langereis: things while you're there but the reality is not being together has been very problematic for trust

[0:45:00] Trustee Langereis: and um and we're the next trust council is very much going to have to work through what they want

[0:45:07] Trustee Langereis: that to look like it's certainly the technology is now there that we can do that and it's certainly

[0:45:11] Trustee Langereis: far less expensive than getting together um but it's um it's challenging uh to have those kind

[0:45:18] Trustee Langereis: of discussions and and basically having almost no offline discussions with people um uh with groups

[0:45:27] Trustee Langereis: of people at meals at breaks at coffee breaks etc that's completely been missing in the trust

[0:45:33] Trustee Langereis: for quite a while um except when we have gotten together uh sometimes and sometimes there's been

[0:45:39] Trustee Langereis: some pent-up issues that uh have made that more challenging too so um that's one thing we did as

[0:45:47] Trustee Langereis: reported we did uh have a a discussion regarding the governance report um we had a discussion not

[0:45:56] Trustee Langereis: only about the report itself but what should be activated um and there were a series of breakout

[0:46:02] Trustee Langereis: rooms where people said this is what i think should be worked on personally i think the most

[0:46:06] Trustee Langereis: important thing has already been done which is the creation of the governance committee

[0:46:09] Trustee Langereis: and it will be up and back i think to a large extent to that governance committee to decide

[0:46:15] Trustee Langereis: um in discussions with trust council as a whole of course what it is that is possible and what

[0:46:20] Trustee Langereis: can be done um so uh it was a challenging process to get there but we got there um

[0:46:28] Trustee Langereis: and uh there's just been i think so much that's been said about that whole process that's

[0:46:34] Trustee Langereis: that's incorrect but uh we're here we're there now and there's a governance committee

[0:46:39] Trustee Langereis: that uh will be uh uh i was a little surprised that it's populated in march

[0:46:44] Trustee Langereis: but anyway there it is it's it's going to be one of the other new standing committees by the way

[0:46:50] Trustee Langereis: there's going to be a second standing committee there's going to be two new standing committees

[0:46:54] Trustee Langereis: for the trust council because we're required by legislation to have an accessibility committee

[0:46:59] Trustee Langereis: which i'm not quite sure what the terms of reference of that are going to be but it's

[0:47:02] Trustee Langereis: provincial requirement that we have that have some external representation on so we're going

[0:47:08] Trustee Langereis: to have to populate and facilitate two new committees in the in the year in addition to

[0:47:13] Trustee Langereis: so one of the the challenges for the next trust council is to decide what the committee structure

[0:47:19] Trustee Langereis: looks like um the other thing that we did was we worked through a number of recommendations from

[0:47:25] Trustee Langereis: the trust policy uh committee regarding the policy statement um i will um say that it's been

[0:47:33] Trustee Langereis: extremely um disappointing for me having worked on this uh for a year last term and uh

[0:47:40] Trustee Langereis: four years this term uh that we weren't able to get it farther down the road than it already is

[0:47:45] Trustee Langereis: um it's going to look different than it looks right now uh when given a number of directions

[0:47:52] Trustee Langereis: or on the structure and what's in it and how how the various policies are are laid out um and i'm

[0:47:59] Trustee Langereis: always i just want to give a shout out to the team at trust area services because i'm always astounded

[0:48:05] Trustee Langereis: how they can take the rather diverse opinions and and sometimes chaotic uh positions and make it into

[0:48:14] Trustee Langereis: synthesize it into a document uh but there will be a document that comes back to trust council

[0:48:19] Trustee Langereis: um early in the new year uh which hopefully will be taken out to the community after our first

[0:48:25] Trustee Langereis: reading so that's the plan now um there was a presentation i wanted to point out that trust

[0:48:32] Trustee Langereis: council uh from the province about their marine coastal strategy um and while it was i'll call it

[0:48:41] Trustee Langereis: quite vague it was very general um it's excellent news that the province has finally picked up this

[0:48:48] Trustee Langereis: work and is taking it on um i i hope it's excellent news that they take it that they

[0:48:54] Trustee Langereis: they put things with um uh real real substance in it uh we got a very high level overview anybody

[0:49:01] Trustee Langereis: that was watching it of what that's going to look like but there are people working in the ministry

[0:49:06] Trustee Langereis: that will develop i guess one of the things that became clear to the trust end of others was that

[0:49:12] Trustee Langereis: that bc was one of the few jurisdictions in north america that didn't have any kind of a

[0:49:18] Trustee Langereis: coastal marine strategy uh like nothing um and so uh the province has taken that up as has listened

[0:49:25] Trustee Langereis: to the lobbying and is pursuing that so that's um that watch for that over the next 12 months

[0:49:32] Trustee Langereis: they sort of indicated that a first draft of that strategy would probably be out in the fall of 2023

[0:49:37] Trustee Langereis: 23 was my recollection of what he said,

[0:49:40] Trustee Langereis: give them a few months leeway and early 24,

[0:49:43] Trustee Langereis: but whatever, that's really good news.

[0:49:46] Trustee Langereis: Just a note for anybody on Gabriel,

[0:49:50] Trustee Langereis: I know they have a number of candidates

[0:49:51] Trustee Langereis: that the trust council that's wearing in trust council

[0:49:54] Trustee Langereis: dates have been moved.

[0:49:56] Trustee Langereis: So we're no longer meeting on November,

[0:49:59] Trustee Langereis: I shouldn't say we,

[0:50:00] Trustee Langereis: trust council is no longer meeting November 1st, 2nd, 3rd,

[0:50:03] Trustee Langereis: but it's meeting November 17th, 18th and 19th.

[0:50:08] Trustee Langereis: So, anybody who's running you might want to adjust your calendars.

[0:50:14] Trustee Langereis: So, I think that's about all of my reports from from Trust Council the work continues.

[0:50:21] Trustee Langereis: We have a couple more executive committee meetings between now and that Trust Council probably one in the next week and then one near the end of October early November to finish off and prepare for the next Trust Council.

[0:50:38] Trustee Langereis: quite a bit of discussion about that trust council about what the training would look like

[0:50:42] Trustee Langereis: what the orientation would look like for new trustees and that's high on our agenda

[0:50:46] Trustee Langereis: to try and get that right because we got feedback in the governance report that even though we did

[0:50:54] Trustee Langereis: three days of orientation at the beginning of this term a number of trustees indicated they

[0:50:58] Trustee Langereis: didn't remember any of it so and so that's a sign that that perhaps it needs to be done better so

[0:51:06] Trustee Langereis: So that's a real focus of the executive committee.

[0:51:13] Trustee Langereis: So with that, I'll stop and I'll turn it over

[0:51:16] Trustee Langereis: to Vanessa Craig, Director Craig, who is here.

[0:51:22] Trustee Langereis: And hi, Vanessa.

[0:51:25] Trustee Langereis: And you can, as soon as you unmute yourself,

[0:51:29] Trustee Langereis: and you probably have, you can go ahead and speak.

[0:51:32] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:51:33] Voice 2: And thanks for allowing me to join you virtually.

[0:51:35] Voice 2: you wouldn't want me there in person um so hi everybody and um thanks again for all your work

[0:51:44] Voice 2: and i've enjoyed working with you over the last few years i sent um a brief update so just to go

[0:51:53] Voice 2: through it quickly um the rdn approved the board endorsed the uh regional parks and trails strategy

[0:52:00] Voice 2: that we've been working on for the last few years.

[0:52:04] Voice 2: It started before COVID.

[0:52:05] Voice 2: I think actually there was some of the trustees

[0:52:08] Voice 2: were able to join in the first round of public engagement,

[0:52:11] Voice 2: which occurred at the Aggie, at the GAC building.

[0:52:15] Voice 2: And so it's gone through two rounds of public engagement.

[0:52:18] Voice 2: And I think it's going to be a useful document

[0:52:20] Voice 2: going forward to set kind of a vision

[0:52:22] Voice 2: and prioritize how we work within the park system,

[0:52:27] Voice 2: Because I'm seeing a real transition in the view of Ardeon Parks to be when it was originally formed, it was a real focus on recreation.

[0:52:37] Voice 2: And now there's a greater recognition that Ardeon Parks can be acquired and managed and maintained for conservation purposes as well.

[0:52:46] Voice 2: And so I think there's a growing realization in that way.

[0:52:52] Voice 2: and so I'm seeing a change going forward, not to take away from recreation, but I think it's

[0:52:57] Voice 2: going to be balanced. We're still having discussion about the potential to include

[0:53:02] Voice 2: art from a cinematic artist at Huxley Park and Descanso Bay Regional Park, and those are looking

[0:53:08] Voice 2: quite positive, so that's exciting. The reduced speed zone around Huxley Park, thank you to both

[0:53:14] Voice 2: of you for, all three of you, for helping to support and get the word out about that. Moti

[0:53:20] Voice 2: has responded that they're evaluating the request and I've also asked them to look at putting in an

[0:53:26] Voice 2: additional crosswalk there and so they're they're looking looking at that now and they have a whole

[0:53:32] Voice 2: system and policy procedures in place that are required before they start putting in a playground

[0:53:38] Voice 2: zone and a new crosswalk. The tiny home resolution that the RDN put forward to UBCM was actually

[0:53:46] Voice 2: ended up being paired with one with the town of Oliver which was quite similar and fortunately

[0:53:53] Voice 2: they were endorsed so hopefully the UBCM will take action in advocating with the province for

[0:54:00] Voice 2: a tiny home building code in the BC building code. Huxley Park entrance was paved this week

[0:54:06] Voice 2: and the two shade structures will be installed in the next month or so and much to the happiness

[0:54:13] Voice 2: of everybody, I'm sure, is that the costs of the shade structures are significantly less

[0:54:18] Voice 2: than what was initially thought they might end up being, so that's good news as well.

[0:54:25] Voice 2: Whereas the staff will be applying for a geohazard risk prioritization study. A few years ago,

[0:54:31] Voice 2: the RDN did a hazard risk and vulnerability analysis, which is very general, but it looked at

[0:54:36] Voice 2: the types of risks and hazards across the region, but it didn't pinpoint where those risks occurred.

[0:54:43] Voice 2: But one of the things that was identified was flooding and geohazard and so a lot of work has been done now with sea level rise and riverine flooding mapping over the last few years and then this grant would build on it by looking at geotechnical stability and where there could be some landslide type hazards in the long run.

[0:55:02] Voice 2: So this is kind of a long-term look at effects of climate change and a better understanding of risks across the region.

[0:55:11] Voice 2: The POZAC that was scheduled for this week is being rescheduled.

[0:55:17] Voice 2: I wasn't able to attend.

[0:55:19] Voice 2: And it actually has a really interesting list of items that we will be discussing.

[0:55:24] Voice 2: And we're in the process of setting up a new date, which is looking to be mid-November.

[0:55:31] Voice 2: But I'll let you know.

[0:55:31] Voice 2: and if you're interested in any of those those topics um i heard trustee colburn mention the

[0:55:37] Voice 2: meeting with uh about the active transportation so i'm gonna follow up with that because i've

[0:55:43] Voice 2: actually uh started earmarking some community works funds for next year to start um taking

[0:55:49] Voice 2: that plan and trying to develop it into more of a because whenever we've our experience with the

[0:55:56] Voice 2: village way path was that it had to be an engineered plan according to Moti so we would

[0:56:02] Voice 2: need some some funding to kind of develop a more engineered version of the vision that was in that

[0:56:08] Voice 2: plan so I'll follow up with you trustee Colburn just to hear more about your your positive

[0:56:15] Voice 2: feedback and yep we have a couple of meetings coming up one electoral area services committee

[0:56:21] Voice 2: meeting and one more board meeting prior to the election and then the inaugural board meeting will

[0:56:26] Voice 2: be in November so it has been a pleasure and a privilege and thank you so much for allowing me

[0:56:32] Voice 2: to participate in your meetings anything from either

[0:56:42] Trustee Langereis: trustee for the director okay then uh the

[0:56:45] Trustee Langereis: next item on the agenda is first nations reports this is a standing item on our agenda anybody wish

[0:56:51] Trustee Langereis: to report on anything

[0:56:53] Trustee Langereis: in relation to discussions

[0:56:55] Trustee Langereis: or activities with First Nations?

[0:56:57] Trustee Colbourne: No, I've just attended

[0:56:59] Trustee Colbourne: a workshop.

[0:57:01] Trustee Colbourne: I've communicated, as I

[0:57:04] Trustee Colbourne: said I would after the last

[0:57:05] Trustee Colbourne: meeting, about protection of cultural heritage

[0:57:07] Trustee Colbourne: and those communications

[0:57:09] Trustee Colbourne: are ongoing. So I'm hoping

[0:57:11] Trustee Colbourne: to have more information on those

[0:57:13] Trustee Colbourne: things in the coming weeks.

[0:57:15] Trustee Colbourne: Okay. All right.

[0:57:18] Trustee Langereis: I think

[0:57:19] Trustee Langereis: I want to

[0:57:21] Trustee Langereis: I'll just say this as sort of as we're getting coming to the end of this term is that one of

[0:57:27] Trustee Langereis: the themes that's coming out of our discussions with First Nations is that a number of the First

[0:57:33] Trustee Langereis: Nations are expressing an interest to being I don't want to say at the table but part of

[0:57:41] Trustee Langereis: part of the Islands Trust decision-making structure. I always struggle with what the

[0:57:47] Trustee Langereis: right way to phrase that is because it seems to me they should be you know they have the first

[0:57:54] Trustee Langereis: priority of governance but anyway the structure we have and it's good one of the real challenges

[0:57:59] Trustee Langereis: for and that became clear in some of the consultation around the trust policy statement

[0:58:05] Trustee Langereis: and also in other discussions and meetings with them that we hear that message a number of times

[0:58:10] Trustee Langereis: from some First Nations not all but some some basically don't want that but some are expressed

[0:58:17] Trustee Langereis: that they are uh don't want but and that's going to be a real challenge for the um for the uh the

[0:58:24] Trustee Langereis: trust going forward as to how to well while we've made a lot of progress we're still not very good

[0:58:31] Trustee Langereis: on our consultation with First Nations and Indigenous peoples um we make mistakes uh we

[0:58:37] Trustee Langereis: We miss things.

[0:58:39] Trustee Langereis: We don't do it as thoroughly as we can.

[0:58:41] Trustee Langereis: There's not enough support to allow them

[0:58:44] Trustee Langereis: to enable proper consultation.

[0:58:48] Trustee Langereis: So, you know, that was a big discussion,

[0:58:52] Trustee Langereis: again, at this last trust council.

[0:58:56] Trustee Langereis: For example, the financial planning committee

[0:58:58] Trustee Langereis: built something, a new assumption and principle

[0:59:03] Trustee Langereis: into our financial planning when we prepare a budget

[0:59:06] Trustee Langereis: it is that every that there should every project should have funding created into it how you're

[0:59:12] Trustee Langereis: going to do consultation in an appropriate respectful way that's a new assumption it's

[0:59:16] Trustee Langereis: never been there before and you wonder why um because that we run into difficulties with that

[0:59:22] Trustee Langereis: um it was reported a trust council about that is that in our meeting with the executive committee

[0:59:29] Trustee Langereis: yet with the ministry mer it's called ministry of indigenous relations and i'm not sure what

[0:59:35] Trustee Langereis: the other r is frankly anyway the um sorry i didn't hear that the um the um the uh is that

[0:59:48] Trustee Langereis: we ought we said to the minister as we were talking this issue exactly through

[0:59:53] Trustee Langereis: is you're looking for a a pilot organization to try something

[1:00:00] Trustee Langereis: new out about how to evolve

[1:00:01] Trustee Langereis: then Beyond Trust is willing to stand

[1:00:03] Trustee Langereis: up and do that and be

[1:00:05] Trustee Langereis: either on a small scale or a large scale

[1:00:07] Trustee Langereis: as we as a society

[1:00:09] Trustee Langereis: try and figure out how to better evolve

[1:00:11] Trustee Langereis: so that's what I just wanted to say that

[1:00:15] Trustee Langereis: well said

[1:00:16] Trustee Colbourne: it's been my

[1:00:17] Trustee Colbourne: experience for four years as well

[1:00:19] Trustee Langereis: and

[1:00:20] Trustee Colbourne: we haven't done it well I'm personally

[1:00:21] Trustee Colbourne: sorry for that

[1:00:22] Trustee Langereis: and you know and we're learning

[1:00:26] Trustee Langereis: and we make mistakes and

[1:00:27] Trustee Langereis: it's challenging for us who come out of

[1:00:29] Trustee Langereis: a particular type of work environment to to in a particular way type of engaging to consider

[1:00:34] Trustee Langereis: completely different ways of doing that so um anyway i would just that's all i'll say about

[1:00:40] Trustee Langereis: the first nations report uh i don't have anything specific to report about any engagement with any

[1:00:45] Trustee Langereis: particular uh uh so now we're at uh what's still called town hall in gabriel in some places we're

[1:00:52] Trustee Langereis: calling it uh community input but i think we're moving in that direction but it's our town hall

[1:00:57] Trustee Langereis: all so this is your opportunity to speak to your local trust committee uh yeah we'll get to you

[1:01:02] Trustee Langereis: Susan I see your hand um uh is that this is your opportunity to speak to the local trust committee

[1:01:07] Trustee Langereis: we have um uh I we ask that that there basically be three understandings that we reach before you

[1:01:17] Trustee Langereis: speak um keeping in mind this is a a workplace for everybody you see in front of you and also

[1:01:24] Trustee Langereis: sitting in apartment in the audience a workplace this is our workplace uh and it has to be a safe

[1:01:30] Trustee Langereis: workplace for all of us and should be a safe place and it needs to be a safe place for all

[1:01:34] Trustee Langereis: everybody in this in this room as well so um we ask you to uh do three three things one is

[1:01:42] Trustee Langereis: speak to your local trust the trustees uh if you have something to say to to us that's fine speak

[1:01:49] Trustee Langereis: to us we're the ones who need to hear perhaps need to hear what you have to say it's not your

[1:01:53] Trustee Langereis: opportunity to do a debate with people in the audience or online or anywhere else to speak to

[1:02:00] Trustee Langereis: the trustees uh if there's a question that needs to be answered by staff we'll get that answered

[1:02:04] Trustee Langereis: by staff second thing i want to say is uh is uh please speak to issues and not people or

[1:02:11] Trustee Langereis: personalities it's incredibly important that we we maintain that sense of um uh of uh separation

[1:02:20] Trustee Langereis: of the issues from what you may or may not think

[1:02:23] Trustee Langereis: about people's personalities or people.

[1:02:27] Trustee Langereis: So speak to the issues.

[1:02:28] Trustee Langereis: And the third thing I ask you to, we ask and require

[1:02:31] Trustee Langereis: is that you speak appropriately.

[1:02:33] Trustee Langereis: Speak in a way that's respectful and takes into account

[1:02:37] Trustee Langereis: the feelings and the indignity of everybody in the room

[1:02:41] Trustee Langereis: and the people that you're addressing your conflict.

[1:02:44] Trustee Langereis: So with that, I'll open the town hall and I did see

[1:02:47] Trustee Langereis: uh trustee that's sorry susan yates uh former trustee susan yates uh had her hand up first so

[1:02:54] Trustee Langereis: go ahead thank you and i

[1:02:56] Trustee Langereis: see you moving thank you uh

[1:02:58] Voice 7: first of all i would like to sincerely thank

[1:03:02] Voice 7: the local trust committee for recognizing chris

[1:03:06] Voice 7: strong thank you marty didn't cry i sure did it was amazing in this community he was exemplary

[1:03:19] Voice 7: in his dedication to this community so thank you for that now it's my opportunity this last local

[1:03:32] Voice 7: Tuskegee with you all, and thank you for your work over the past 40 years. Dan, thank you for

[1:03:43] Voice 7: your depth and breadth of knowledge of the whole Trans-Syria, your obvious dedication to Alcatsum

[1:03:50] Voice 7: where you live, and also to the Musqueam and Tsleil-Waututh Territory where you also live.

[1:03:57] Voice 7: i love hearing you talk about your island reports it just shows how much you care about

[1:04:05] Voice 7: your environment and your community at trust council i'll miss your sense of equanimity

[1:04:13] Voice 7: here and at trust council i will miss your wise voice your mispronunciations

[1:04:28] Voice 7: but thank you for always walking the talk i so appreciate that you have a visionary

[1:04:37] Voice 7: commitment to your community and to this place we call home it's all related

[1:04:46] Voice 14: and you keep reminding

[1:04:48] Voice 14: less of that case thank you for

[1:04:58] Voice 7: your eagle eye on everything all proceedings all documents

[1:05:03] Voice 7: everything trust related i can count on you to not miss anything you need to know about

[1:05:09] Voice 7: thank you for your unwavering commitment to the history and purpose of the club well i said

[1:05:20] Voice 7: four years ago that i would support you both of you when you were running and i cannot tell you

[1:05:27] Voice 7: how happy I am that I made that commitment because you've really done us proud.

[1:05:38] Voice 9: You've done us proud here at the Trust Council on this year.

[1:05:50] Voice 7: Your unwavering commitment

[1:05:52] Voice 7: made me so proud to be in that audience as a dear Gaelic woman. Thank you so much.

[1:06:04] Voice 14: yes okay thank you i

[1:06:14] Voice 17: think i saw something easterly with that yes

[1:06:19] Voice 13: of course i do appreciate

[1:06:21] Voice 13: the work um i realized that you chair rogers had the most difficult time because most of the time

[1:06:31] Voice 13: you were caught between the rock and the hard place and often time we had contradiction and

[1:06:39] Voice 13: contradictory opinions and that was uh why at one point at council i asked would be nice if we could

[1:06:47] Voice 13: have a fourth person on trust committee and it would be marvelous if it was someone from first

[1:06:55] Voice 13: nation but the topic that i want to talk to you today it has to do with business on the agenda

[1:07:03] Voice 13: as stated by the enforcement officer in his report standing resolutions i quote standing

[1:07:10] Voice 13: Resolution cannot be used to amend land use by law, and any deferment of enforcement can only be temporary.

[1:07:19] Voice 13: If permanent changes are to be considered, it will require that the OCP community, the OCP, and the land use by law be amended.

[1:07:31] Voice 13: Trustee Colburn copied the Salt Spring Resolution. He used the new feminism non-compliant instead of the word illegal,

[1:07:37] Voice 13: legal and deleted the word existing.

[1:07:40] Voice 13: He may not have been aware, but on Salt Spring,

[1:07:46] Voice 13: they did put that word in there.

[1:07:48] Voice 13: It was important because the residents

[1:07:51] Voice 13: were afraid that it could trigger a proliferation

[1:07:54] Voice 13: of illegal, more illegal dwelling.

[1:07:59] Voice 13: He was also concerned about the use of the word perpetuity.

[1:08:04] Voice 13: So do I, and so I understand, do your appointed advisory bodies.

[1:08:11] Voice 13: The word in perpetuity, quote, unquote, and existing, quote, unquote, have far-reaching

[1:08:18] Voice 13: logistical challenges, if you do not understand what I mean by that, I would be happy to explain,

[1:08:25] Voice 13: and consequences to Gabriel Allendio's plan.

[1:08:28] Voice 13: It was a disservice for the community that the referral set to the HAPC and the APC was

[1:08:34] Voice 13: limited to the consideration of the wording of the draft motion made by Trustee Colbert in

[1:08:40] Voice 13: July 28. The intention was clearly expressed by Chair Rogers when he said,

[1:08:46] Voice 13: what do you think about that concept of a bylaw enforcement refurbishment?

[1:08:54] Voice 13: It is also hard to reconcile the concept of doing that and with the 76% of the Housing Matters

[1:09:00] Voice 13: survey respondent who said that they wanted a density-neutral population growth above our

[1:09:07] Voice 13: existing build-out, and 73 percent of those actually wanted to decrease the maximum projected

[1:09:14] Voice 13: population. Given these numbers, are you sure you are looking after the interest of the majority

[1:09:21] Voice 13: and of the island with this concept? Being lenient on illegal use of residential properties

[1:09:31] Voice 13: properties or any illegal use for that matter is not a good idea never will be really so say no

[1:09:41] Voice 13: please to this motion or at least bring the concept to the community for a meaningful consultation

[1:09:47] Voice 13: which are considered needed and warranted in the meantime enforcement should carry on on complete

[1:09:55] Voice 13: only, on complaint only, as usual.

[1:09:59] Voice 13: To my recollections, we never had proactive enforcement

[1:10:02] Voice 13: on this island except for short term vacation rentals

[1:10:05] Voice 13: operations, which started about a year or so ago when

[1:10:08] Voice 13: the resolution was made.

[1:10:11] Voice 13: The owners should just simply be told

[1:10:13] Voice 13: that they can just become legal just by applying for a use

[1:10:19] Voice 13: that they want to make on their property.

[1:10:20] Voice 13: I don't understand people that don't

[1:10:22] Voice 13: see that it is disruptive to a community

[1:10:25] Voice 13: to not follow the rules.

[1:10:28] Voice 13: With the second highest density in the trust area, with no public water systems, with a high inventory of undeveloped lots, hundreds of unrealized accessory residential cottages, a.k.a. suites, hundreds of seasonal homes,

[1:10:44] Voice 13: homes, where 28% of human land conversion in 2016, when our projected growth is to double,

[1:10:51] Voice 13: and so on, it behooves this local trust committee to consider, on the eve of the end of their

[1:10:59] Voice 13: mandate, protecting the long-term health of the ecosystem, without which there cannot

[1:11:07] Voice 13: be a healthy community.

[1:11:09] Voice 13: I am most curious to hear, if we could, the approximation of the number of illegal dwellings

[1:11:15] Voice 13: on Gavriola or units?

[1:11:18] Voice 13: Is it 600, 800, 1,000?

[1:11:21] Voice 13: Once we have an answer,

[1:11:23] Voice 13: what is the percentage of complaints

[1:11:25] Voice 13: of those illegal suites?

[1:11:28] Voice 13: Are we in a place right now

[1:11:30] Voice 13: that there are more illegal landlords

[1:11:32] Voice 13: and illegal renters

[1:11:33] Voice 13: than law-abiding residents on Gavriola?

[1:11:38] Voice 13: Really, there's no decision to be made on this

[1:11:42] Voice 13: until we know those answers.

[1:11:46] Voice 13: What would that do to our planning,

[1:11:48] Voice 13: our build-up mapping, our climate change targets,

[1:11:51] Voice 13: our ferry services, et cetera.

[1:11:54] Voice 13: Thank you for considering what I'm proposing

[1:11:56] Voice 13: or presenting.

[1:11:57] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:11:58] Trustee Langereis: Thank you.

[1:11:59] Trustee Langereis: And we have your email from this morning.

[1:12:01] Voice 13: I did not know if you would put it in DDS.

[1:12:04] Voice 13: That's why I decided to do it.

[1:12:05] Trustee Langereis: I wouldn't be in the package yet, but we did leave it.

[1:12:09] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:12:10] Trustee Langereis: Or I did anyway, I assume others did as well.

[1:12:13] Voice 17: Sorry,

[1:12:14] Voice 14: I can't see.

[1:12:14] Voice 14: Oh, thanks.

[1:12:15] Voice 14: Yes, Ms. Behrens.

[1:12:26] Voice 7: thank you yeah deborah ference and um i i said something changed really really late last night

[1:12:35] Voice 7: and i'm not sure if you've got it so i made extra copies that are free but i uh i'm actually not

[1:12:41] Voice 7: here to speak on that one i have another topic that i'd like to address and trust about um this

[1:12:47] Voice 7: morning and that's concerning draft bylaw 313 um the ecological zone protection and i wholeheartedly

[1:12:55] Voice 7: support this first and second reading of this bylaw so thank you for bringing this to you for

[1:13:03] Voice 7: permission. Four years ago I stood before you to welcome you to your term and ask that you

[1:13:11] Voice 7: keep the ecological protection zone as a top priority during your term and it has,

[1:13:19] Voice 7: the project has had a very adventurous journey through the past four years because it was on

[1:13:24] Voice 7: the list and off the list and raised up and set aside so i really appreciate that here it is four

[1:13:31] Voice 7: years later and it's on the agenda again and it's this far along so i really really appreciate the

[1:13:36] Voice 7: work and your focus on this and so while the islands trust mandate of preserve and protect

[1:13:42] Voice 7: and the vision statements and aspirational goals of the april official community plan include

[1:13:48] Voice 7: recognition of environmental values the integrity of natural landscapes wildlife habitats and

[1:13:54] Voice 7: biodiversity on the ground, it seems that the regulations, provisions, and tools that exist in

[1:14:00] Voice 7: bylaws often don't provide the high level of protection needed to meet these goals and

[1:14:06] Voice 7: mandate, but often permit recreational development uses on lands that we believe we have set aside

[1:14:13] Voice 7: for protection. So when nature is left alone, it actually is quite resilient. Wildlife and

[1:14:21] Voice 7: green growth eventually reclaim even severely damaged sites and we just need to collectively

[1:14:27] Voice 7: start thinking in terms of a few years and our human needs first and let nature regenerate

[1:14:33] Voice 7: over a generation or two untrodden green spaces are just as important to community life

[1:14:39] Voice 7: as housing and business and cultural and recreational activities and maybe even more so

[1:14:46] Voice 7: for our health and well-being and that of all life with which we share the island and um i think you

[1:14:53] Voice 7: will appreciate the irony of this last statement that i also made four years ago and um i didn't

[1:15:01] Voice 7: actually plan this i came across my letter that i had bought four years ago and i'd actually asked

[1:15:06] Voice 7: will the trustees consider creating a stabbing resolution to give priority consideration to

[1:15:12] Voice 7: habitat protection and ecological reserves when a rezoning application is submitted and while we

[1:15:20] Voice 7: were working on this bylaw so it was just interesting to come across that those words

[1:15:25] Voice 7: that i uttered four years ago and so just in conclusion though i would like to thank all

[1:15:32] Voice 7: um all of you for your attention to my concerns and comments over the years i've appreciated

[1:15:38] Voice 7: and having opportunities to come before you.

[1:15:41] Voice 7: And I definitely have a special appreciation

[1:15:44] Voice 7: for all three of you,

[1:15:46] Voice 7: for your dedication as trustees over these last four years

[1:15:50] Voice 7: and for your commitment for the special purpose

[1:15:52] Voice 7: of the Islands Trust.

[1:15:54] Voice 7: I'd really like to thank Islands Trust staff

[1:15:56] Voice 7: who have shown much grace and dignity

[1:15:59] Voice 7: working through a global pandemic.

[1:16:02] Voice 7: And certainly to Conrad College

[1:16:04] Voice 7: of the special well-deserved award candidate stewardship award for chris too thank you very

[1:16:12] Voice 7: much and and if you need it here's my my letter that i sent so very last night and the instant

[1:16:19] Voice 7: coffees for the standing resolution later in the agenda you

[1:16:24] Voice 17: have it's the one we got last

[1:16:26] Voice 17: night on the email it's the same one thank you yes and then i'll come back to you next

[1:16:37] Voice 17: yeah

[1:16:37] Voice 7: i'll try to keep it short i just wanted to add my thanks um to all three of you i've learned

[1:16:43] Voice 7: a lot and we've made it possible to engage in local government in a way that's interesting

[1:16:49] Voice 7: and relevant and timely and i feel like i have really good um access that being said

[1:16:57] Voice 7: there are two points um which one that she spoke to chair again uh and they're in the

[1:17:04] Voice 7: governance report actually um which you discussed was that the membership of trust council should be

[1:17:10] Voice 7: expanded to include first nations at the table as well as stakeholders who would include the

[1:17:16] Voice 7: interests of the province as a whole and so i just wanted to affirm your statement that

[1:17:23] Voice 7: capacity funding should be found for first nations to be at the table and that meaningful engagement

[1:17:30] Voice 7: engagement means um that doesn't happen on the backs of councillors and and chiefs in council

[1:17:37] Voice 7: that they are provided the space to come there so i'm fully in support of that and i hope that

[1:17:42] Voice 7: advocacy to the right ministries continues um to make sure that that happens the second point um

[1:17:50] Voice 7: is um also to do with access uh to decision making and i think it's something um mrs stick

[1:17:59] Voice 7: it brought up that uh the general public often doesn't understand the decision-making process

[1:18:05] Voice 7: doesn't feel part of it and there is a lack of trust just because it doesn't seem transparent

[1:18:13] Voice 7: those of us who participate and go to meetings and follow the business of the trust we

[1:18:20] Voice 7: i'm getting up to speed um but in communications with the public and making the processes of the

[1:18:26] Voice 7: LTC more plain and accessible were possible if there could be better communication strategies

[1:18:32] Voice 7: I think it would go a long way to restoring some of the

[1:18:38] Voice 7: engagement that I think people want to have with their local government

[1:18:44] Voice 7: so I hope that whoever is elected in the next term would have those two pieces in the forefront

[1:18:50] Voice 7: front really um that capacity burden would be um we continue to advocate for that so that people

[1:18:57] Voice 7: are at the table when we're making these decisions and um that participants from that community can

[1:19:04] Voice 7: be there so whether we have needs after work hours or bigger round tables more opportunities

[1:19:11] Voice 7: for community members to come forward with their knowledge and participate so but thank you for the

[1:19:16] Voice 7: work that you did have done and i think you leave the next group of trustees in a really good place

[1:19:23] Voice 7: it's it's been significant and uh a very great thing thanks

[1:19:31] Trustee Langereis: very much i don't usually talk

[1:19:33] Trustee Langereis: during the town hall but i just wanted to say to you the other thing is i didn't mention

[1:19:37] Trustee Langereis: um the other change we made to our financial planning assumptions and principles was to build

[1:19:44] Trustee Langereis: into any budget uh communication strategy markets because we often find because that's a constant

[1:19:50] Trustee Langereis: theme um

[1:19:52] Voice 9: because that we

[1:19:53] Trustee Langereis: find that the the uh community engagement because it's it's challenging

[1:19:58] Trustee Langereis: it's hard it's expensive it's time consuming and uh so anyway that was also built in to the

[1:20:05] Trustee Langereis: financial planning uh the budget preparation assumptions and principles that we need to

[1:20:11] Trustee Langereis: build money and every time a project or a plan comes forward so you hit on both of those things

[1:20:16] Trustee Langereis: in your and your

[1:20:18] Trustee Langereis: commentary and that'll be a real important part of the next budget process

[1:20:22] Trustee Langereis: and how we find that money so yes it's back there thanks uh

[1:20:27] Voice 7: thank you uh mr webster so

[1:20:29] Voice 7: i am not a trustee he has been a very um strong learning curve for me over the last few weeks and

[1:20:36] Voice 7: And one thing that I would like to encourage you to take back or take away is how you are staffing your own Indigenous relations positions.

[1:20:47] Voice 7: You cannot do that with a single person.

[1:20:49] Voice 7: You must look at how you can have, through LTCs, that Indigenous relations support from Indigenous staff.

[1:20:57] Voice 7: And I think that's something

[1:21:00] Voice 7: that will help to really ensure that

[1:21:05] Voice 12: there's ongoing relationships that are built and really ongoing

[1:21:08] Voice 7: knowledge as staff turn over, as chief and councils turn over, you know, leadership turns over, having a really good, strong sense of what that means to participate in those discussions.

[1:21:24] Voice 7: And you can't do that by having one token employee.

[1:21:29] Voice 7: And so I do really encourage you to look at how you can have greater employment, diversity and equity and Indigenous hiring through the Trust Council and the Alliance Trust in total.

[1:21:41] Voice 7: I certainly do feel that is that really strongly help you retain some of the tremendous staff that you have had in the past.

[1:21:51] Voice 7: and to be forward-looking um and i too would like to offer my thanks

[1:21:57] Voice 12: for all the work you've done

[1:21:58] Voice 12: and

[1:21:58] Voice 10: i think what

[1:21:59] Voice 12: i have seen is that the work in first nation relations here on b roll has been

[1:22:04] Voice 12: really

[1:22:04] Voice 7: moved forward and really taken tremendously to the good so i thank you and i thank you all

[1:22:11] Voice 7: for being here it has been the most tumultuous term for any ltc i don't doubt and so i do very

[1:22:18] Voice 7: much for your change all being here and providing your expertise and taking these hours out of your

[1:22:24] Voice 7: life to contribute to the health and well-being of the gabriel local trust committee area thank you

[1:22:31] Trustee Colbourne: so you

[1:22:32] Voice 17: make comments no

[1:22:34] Trustee Colbourne: i feel like an all

[1:22:35] Trustee Colbourne: candidates meeting was broken out

[1:22:38] Trustee Colbourne: i just want to acknowledge the work of lisa wilcox you kind of referenced it there on a structural

[1:22:42] Trustee Colbourne: way we asked a lot of her and she gave a lot and she now works at a different job

[1:22:48] Trustee Colbourne: all um and i just want to recognize as we come up to tomorrow uh lisa was really one of the people

[1:22:54] Trustee Colbourne: who led to that day she brought forward the petition she worked with people across the

[1:22:59] Trustee Colbourne: country got hundreds of thousands of people to sign up and brought that department and got that

[1:23:04] Trustee Colbourne: um got that day and those special moments we're going to share tomorrow so i want to acknowledge

[1:23:08] Trustee Colbourne: the work she did within the trust and also what she did outside the trust and and certainly if i

[1:23:13] Trustee Colbourne: look back at least four years so as one individual she had a big impact but it's all we're all in

[1:23:20] Trustee Colbourne: these uh these paths together

[1:23:21] Voice 9: she

[1:23:23] Trustee Colbourne: actually did two and a half jobs yeah

[1:23:25] Voice 9: and

[1:23:27] Trustee Langereis: if i had to say

[1:23:28] Trustee Langereis: thank you for your comments we were always conscious of the fact that it was not nearly

[1:23:32] Trustee Langereis: enough and we were asking too much of one position um and the thought was we could build enough

[1:23:39] Trustee Langereis: capacity or knowledge within the organization build our own organizational consciousness and

[1:23:45] Trustee Langereis: get to a place we're clearly not there and uh so your suggestions are excellent ones

[1:23:52] Trustee Langereis: just out of an interesting note on the thursday morning we passed a motion to um and almost to

[1:24:00] Trustee Langereis: request that the staff put together for the next trust council a list of resources around

[1:24:04] Trustee Langereis: around indigenous reconciliation issues

[1:24:07] Trustee Langereis: that we can specifically go and ask the minister for.

[1:24:11] Trustee Langereis: And that's so that individual trustees,

[1:24:13] Trustee Langereis: as well as just the leadership of the organization

[1:24:15] Trustee Langereis: can lobby people they know.

[1:24:17] Trustee Langereis: It came out of a conversation we're having

[1:24:19] Trustee Langereis: where our trustee said his next door neighbor

[1:24:21] Trustee Langereis: was the minister that does indigenous relations.

[1:24:24] Trustee Langereis: And he said, yeah, I'd like,

[1:24:25] Trustee Langereis: but I don't know what to ask him for.

[1:24:27] Trustee Langereis: So that's just the trend.

[1:24:31] Trustee Langereis: So the work that's being done as we go forward.

[1:24:34] Trustee Langereis: So thank you for your commentary, though.

[1:24:36] Trustee Langereis: I think it's very wise.

[1:24:38] Trustee Langereis: Yes, sir.

[1:24:38] Trustee Langereis: Yes.

[1:24:40] Voice 5: This theme has popped up twice in the last two days.

[1:24:44] Voice 5: Two-step interview with Gabor Maté on CBC Radio

[1:24:48] Voice 5: talking about the very strong and scientifically demonstrated

[1:24:52] Voice 5: connection between trauma and health,

[1:24:55] Voice 5: particularly early life trauma.

[1:24:58] Voice 5: he mentions statistics like uh indigenous women are six percent of the canadian women population

[1:25:06] yet they represent

[1:25:07] Voice 5: 50 percent of the people incarcerated so that's probably one of the

[1:25:13] Voice 5: worst examples in this continent uh that connection so just because of what's been

[1:25:19] Voice 5: talked about in the last few minutes i thought it's worth mentioning to outgoing trust members

[1:25:23] Voice 5: and potential incoming trust members, and all of us, as Gabor Maté says, it's really

[1:25:30] Voice 5: the compassionate exploration of people's humanity, particularly our own, worth paying

[1:25:38] Voice 5: attention to, I think, in all aspects of life, not just in the indigenous community.

[1:25:44] Voice 5: We see all of those people acting out, people having very difficult upbringings, and even

[1:25:50] Voice 5: even though there's strong recognition

[1:25:52] Voice 5: in the scientific community,

[1:25:53] Voice 5: there's really no structural approach to it yet

[1:25:56] Voice 5: in schools right now.

[1:25:57] Voice 5: So it's worth mentioning as something

[1:26:00] Voice 5: we should all pay attention to.

[1:26:01] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:26:02] Voice 8: Thanks.

[1:26:03] Voice 8: Just wanted to make a comment

[1:26:05] Voice 8: on the First Nation thing as well,

[1:26:07] Voice 8: is that my hope is that the government's committee,

[1:26:10] Voice 8: the next government's committee,

[1:26:11] Voice 8: will address that issue of representation

[1:26:14] Voice 8: or First Nation involvement in a decision-making process.

[1:26:17] Voice 8: Some of it's gonna be legislative changes,

[1:26:19] Voice 8: which will be long term but there may be some walking or some interim steps you know uh having

[1:26:24] Voice 8: first nations sit on local trust committees as an advisor providing funding for that but you can do

[1:26:30] Voice 8: some interim steps because it's going to take a couple of years at least unless government is

[1:26:35] Voice 8: really motivated to make legislative changes so that's one of the things i think the government's

[1:26:40] Voice 8: committee can look at and they've got that mandate thanks

[1:26:44] Voice 17: yes please go ahead um

[1:26:48] Voice 10: thanks just a quick

[1:26:49] Voice 10: question um nancy heatherington pierce in your discussion about when to have in the agenda the

[1:26:56] Voice 10: decision about the october 27th meeting i just heard you referred to having received a message

[1:27:01] Voice 10: from the public about that i'm just double checking that it's from me yes

[1:27:05] Trustee Langereis: that's what

[1:27:06] Trustee Langereis: that's what i was referring to yeah okay thanks

[1:27:10] Trustee Langereis: that's the only correspondence i've seen about that my

[1:27:13] Voice 7: ropes all through

[1:27:14] Voice 7: yeah

[1:27:14] Trustee Langereis: yeah but that's uh someone wants us to continue to meet

[1:27:20] Trustee Langereis: um is there anybody else before we move on into the business of the attendant of course if you're

[1:27:24] Trustee Langereis: if you're an applicant i see that is that who is that who is maloney is on the line that's correct

[1:27:31] Voice 7: all

[1:27:31] Trustee Langereis: right if you're an applicant you'll have an opportunity to speak when we discuss your

[1:27:35] Trustee Langereis: application so you need uh yes so

[1:27:40] Voice 7: um the file enforcement manager has an in-camera meeting at

[1:27:44] Voice 7: 12 15. um so you may be able to take 8.6 and discuss this appointment otherwise we'd be

[1:27:52] Voice 7: losing you until the plan uh

[1:27:55] Voice 17: probably by one o'clock i think much sooner it could be 30 minutes

[1:28:03] Voice 17: um sorry how long

[1:28:10] Trustee Langereis: do you think you'll be no more than 30 minutes okay and at some point we need to

[1:28:15] Trustee Langereis: have a break and are you available later as well available um i'm just concerned that discussion

[1:28:23] Trustee Langereis: is going to take longer than 15 minutes and i know we have his report but we may want his input

[1:28:27] Trustee Langereis: during the course of that discussion so i'm going to suggest that we um uh and that really touches

[1:28:34] Trustee Langereis: is on eight five um eight five two eight six and eight six they are all sort of related and i'm

[1:28:47] Trustee Langereis: going to suggest we sort of wait until he's available again if that's okay with you i'm

[1:28:50] Trustee Langereis: sorry to make you sit here this long and we'll deal with the other matters first i just don't

[1:28:55] Trustee Langereis: think it necessarily will take only 15 minutes okay is that okay with you guys yep yep okay so

[1:29:04] Trustee Langereis: thanks thanks for playing that so um uh we'll let's go to the next item on the agenda for

[1:29:11] Trustee Langereis: nobody else oh

[1:29:12] Voice 16: could i just make a quick comment and ask a question that doesn't have to be answered

[1:29:20] Voice 16: my name is joyce lee and i'm a very recent um resident here on gabriel

[1:29:25] Voice 16: Gabriela. My interest is in the Gary oak meadow and so the Gary oak plus associated species that

[1:29:34] Voice 16: make the ecosystem and my quick survey of Gabriela indicates to me that in the past

[1:29:43] Voice 16: Gary oaks were more dominant than they are now and that Gary oaks here on the island are

[1:29:51] Voice 16: are a very, very slim part of the Northern ecosystem

[1:29:56] Voice 16: that has been pushed to the brink.

[1:30:00] Voice 16: And I just wonder whether Islands Trust has worked with Parks Canada to reflect the range of the Canadian Gary Oak ecosystem.

[1:30:13] Voice 16: system this is an excellent place to reflect that because it is at the southern limit of the northern

[1:30:22] Voice 16: ocean systems and the associated species with the gary oak ecosystem is the reason why the coastal

[1:30:31] Voice 16: douglas for ecosystem is now spoken of by the province as a threatened ecosystem it is the

[1:30:40] Voice 16: the components of the gharial metal that are threatened.

[1:30:44] Voice 16: All of the rare species listed, blue, yellow, red,

[1:30:48] Voice 16: are all gharial ecosystems.

[1:30:50] Voice 16: And here we have a special complex that is not reflected

[1:30:56] Voice 16: in the southern gharial ecosystems that are reflected

[1:31:00] Voice 16: in Parts Canada transfers.

[1:31:02] Voice 16: So I'd like to see something happening within Islands Trust

[1:31:08] Voice 16: us to speak directly to a survey of the Gary oak ecosystems here on gabriola i've only been here

[1:31:16] Voice 16: just a short screen but i already have seen the associated species of the north for example there

[1:31:24] Voice 16: are no um orchids found in the south but we have them here on gabriel which reflects the northern

[1:31:33] Voice 16: your ecosystems so that's just my comment and my question thank you so

[1:31:39] Trustee Langereis: you've gone well beyond my

[1:31:42] Trustee Langereis: area of expertise um but

[1:31:44] Voice 16: i've been at it 35 years yeah no

[1:31:47] Trustee Langereis: no but i mean but i i mean i know we've

[1:31:50] Trustee Langereis: done some work around mapping of coastal douglas for ranges and that's been done yes

[1:31:54] Voice 16: there is money

[1:31:55] Voice 16: available for that and

[1:31:56] Trustee Langereis: we we actually did do that there's a whole series of reports on coastal

[1:32:00] Trustee Langereis: of douglas for i i don't know uh planners have an interview know if there's been any mapping or or

[1:32:07] Trustee Langereis: studies done within the trust in the last few years around specifically around gary oaks

[1:32:11] Voice 7: not

[1:32:12] Voice 7: from the local trust committee it's the island stress conservancy conservation branch of the

[1:32:18] Voice 7: islands trust they um are doing a lot of different types of projects and but not for gabriel love

[1:32:24] Voice 7: currently there's nothing pretty relevant right

[1:32:28] Trustee Langereis: um are you familiar with the alice trust

[1:32:33] Trustee Langereis: conservancy um

[1:32:35] Voice 16: not really um i've kind of been ignoring everything i guess

[1:32:41] Voice 16: i got overloaded by

[1:32:42] Voice 16: spending all that time fighting for gary oats in the south i decided to give myself a break and

[1:32:47] Voice 16: moved to Nanaimo and

[1:32:49] Trustee Langereis: now you've decided to fight

[1:32:51] Voice 16: so now that I'm here I looked at what we have

[1:32:55] Voice 16: here on Gabriel and it is the edge that the boundaries between the ocean and the terrestrial

[1:33:06] Voice 16: is where we have the Gary Oaks in the main that we don't have the regulations and legislation

[1:33:14] Voice 16: to protect the cliff edges that hang over the sea

[1:33:19] Voice 16: where we love to walk and stand and look at orcas

[1:33:24] Voice 16: or sit and

[1:33:25] Voice 16: watch the sunset.

[1:33:26] Voice 16: Those are the places here in Gabriola

[1:33:28] Voice 16: that are really indicative of the South North line.

[1:33:35] Voice 16: So

[1:33:36] Trustee Langereis: two things I can suggest to you.

[1:33:38] Trustee Langereis: One is contact the Island Trust Conservancy.

[1:33:40] Trustee Langereis: see um you could ask any of us how to get in touch with them there's actually a couple of biologists

[1:33:47] Trustee Langereis: on staff there that work specifically on on issues of species at risk etc and we have funding that

[1:33:53] Trustee Langereis: they're working on and i don't know the nature of their work because they work separately the other

[1:33:58] Trustee Langereis: thing that you might want to look at is um there are a number of development permit areas on

[1:34:04] Trustee Langereis: gabriela that may involve the area the the some of the areas that you're talking about the

[1:34:10] Trustee Langereis: development permit area in a very short period of time restricts development unless you take

[1:34:16] Trustee Langereis: into account and do an ecological study of the area before you can do any kind of development

[1:34:21] Trustee Langereis: in the area now that may not be what you're interested in but those two things are possible

[1:34:25] Trustee Langereis: do you have something you know those are good yeah those

[1:34:27] Voice 8: are the only two

[1:34:28] Trustee Langereis: things i can suggest

[1:34:29] Trustee Langereis: to you at this stage i

[1:34:30] Voice 8: think about the permanent area could be developed we've got on our steep

[1:34:35] Voice 8: slopes we don't have one specific for uh equals forest ecosystem or karaoke systems we do have

[1:34:45] Voice 8: some general ones like at the south end the southern part of the island the acorn island

[1:34:51] Voice 8: so

[1:34:52] Trustee Langereis: what i might

[1:34:54] Trustee Langereis: suggest is after you talk to the conservancy see what the work is doing see what

[1:34:58] Trustee Langereis: development permit areas you actually have uh three of the six candidates for the next trustee

[1:35:03] Trustee Langereis: in the room right now who've heard what you've had to say and at some point you might want to

[1:35:08] Trustee Langereis: suggest to them that they develop if they're you know examine the possibility of a development

[1:35:13] Trustee Langereis: permit area specifically related to because i know on some islands like north pender for example uh

[1:35:20] Trustee Langereis: erio is is a protected um uh tree species that i'm not sure if it's protected by a development

[1:35:26] Trustee Langereis: the permanent area but i'm guessing it is i believe so yeah so that that's a possibility

[1:35:31] Trustee Langereis: you can urge us but thank you we've got recorded your comments as well but i would encourage you

[1:35:36] Trustee Langereis: strongly to contact the honest trust conservancy because they do the scientific work that we don't

[1:35:43] Trustee Langereis: have the capacity in a lot of cases okay thanks very much for your commentary anybody else before

[1:35:50] Trustee Langereis: we leave town hall and move into the business part of the agenda okay thanks very much uh

[1:35:58] Trustee Langereis: gentlemen the the first thing on is the local trust committee meeting minutes dated july 28th

[1:36:04] Trustee Langereis: any uh commentary from either go ahead okay first

[1:36:08] Voice 8: one is on page uh seven

[1:36:19] Voice 8: And provision for a reburial site, it should say green burial site, not reburial, and the

[1:36:28] Voice 14: other

[1:36:29] Voice 8: one is then on page eight.

[1:36:34] Voice 8: This is where it becomes a discussion around what is a motion.

[1:36:43] Voice 8: Because GB2022056 was the draft wording that Trustee Colburn put forward, it was not moved,

[1:36:50] Voice 8: and so I don't think it was a motion, and unless it's moved, and then you can table

[1:36:57] Voice 8: it with that.

[1:36:58] Voice 8: Can you table a draft wording, like to me, GB20226056 was a discussion item, not a motion

[1:37:09] Voice 8: per se right so what what did you i did well i just wondered if it should have said a gb202205

[1:37:18] Voice 8: it was moving second that you just say discussion of a proposed wording for a resolution

[1:37:27] Voice 8: because that's really what happened right that's what that's what i was going through but i've

[1:37:33] Voice 8: it wasn't an actual uh we

[1:37:37] Trustee Langereis: call it uh motion per se i'd have to go back and watch the video

[1:37:44] Voice 8: up i thought

[1:37:47] Trustee Langereis: it was seconded for discussion with the idea that it was going to be table

[1:37:51] Trustee Langereis: because that is that not what occurred oh

[1:37:54] Voice 8: five seven was that's correct that's the one that

[1:37:57] Voice 8: subsequent to the putting forward was that we then decided okay there's a draft word that was

[1:38:04] Voice 8: read out and then that was deferred the discussion and the wording was deferred to the next meeting

[1:38:11] Voice 8: and then prefer it out so 057 is correct no

[1:38:14] Trustee Langereis: but i thought 056 was seconded for discussion and then

[1:38:18] Trustee Langereis: table would be based on 057 no is

[1:38:21] Trustee Langereis: that not what occurred i mean i'd have to go back and watch the

[1:38:25] Trustee Langereis: video and i'm not sure and i'm not sure at the end of the day how much different what how it changes

[1:38:31] Trustee Langereis: much but uh it but i i my recollection is that trustee colburn said at the

[1:38:38] Trustee Langereis: front that i'm going

[1:38:40] Trustee Langereis: to be suggesting we table because i want to refer this this off to to the very the parties that

[1:38:46] Trustee Langereis: eventually was referred to um so you're suggesting it was never seconded

[1:38:51] Voice 8: i think when i listened to

[1:38:54] Voice 8: it this happens a couple of times the recording is not that great uh which was cool and says i'm

[1:39:00] Voice 8: not putting it forward now but i just wanted to scott talk about the wording he wasn't putting

[1:39:05] Voice 8: forward emotions at that point in time and it wasn't seconded and then so we had a discussion

[1:39:10] Voice 8: about it and then it was the stem 057 occurred where it was

[1:39:16] Voice 8: forwarded to the hapc abc and the community in general so that's so that's that's my

[1:39:27] Voice 8: what do

[1:39:28] Trustee Langereis: you what's what's what do you have to say trustee uh

[1:39:31] Voice 8: maybe we shouldn't have uh

[1:39:36] Trustee Colbourne: to talk about the contents of it anyway if you if you want me to remove it and it's gone

[1:39:43] Trustee Colbourne: through it you can see in htc we've got feedback on it it needs more feedback you know i don't

[1:39:48] Voice 1: have a

[1:39:48] Trustee Colbourne: photographic memory for who seconded what no i don't have to listen to it yeah

[1:39:58] Trustee Langereis: um i mean as i said my my vague recollection is that we were told at the outset and i'm

[1:40:05] Trustee Langereis: not saying that i'm right that that trustee colburn said i want to put this on the table

[1:40:10] Trustee Langereis: i want to i want a table and send it to these various committees i don't want to decide it today

[1:40:15] Trustee Langereis: he put the language on the table if it wasn't moved and seconded uh then it wasn't moved and

[1:40:22] Trustee Langereis: seconded but i can't tell you with certainty whether it is i don't know if planners opening

[1:40:26] Trustee Langereis: she can't help now without going back and listening to the recording so i'll tell you

[1:40:31] Trustee Langereis: well i'll look at it i'll listen to it over the um over the lunch break and maybe we can come back

[1:40:37] Trustee Langereis: and deal with that is there anything else related to those minutes maybe we'll just leave that we

[1:40:42] Trustee Langereis: won't dodge the

[1:40:43] Voice 8: minutes then for the moment other than it's around the recording of what actually

[1:40:48] Voice 8: happened okay

[1:40:48] Voice 14: well we'll go back to this is there anything else

[1:40:50] Voice 14: um

[1:40:51] Voice 8: no okay

[1:40:58] Trustee Langereis: so we'll defer 7.1 i'll

[1:41:01] Trustee Langereis: go listen to the minutes if they need to be amended to indicate that it was put forward

[1:41:04] Trustee Langereis: for discussion as opposed to an actual motion then we'll amend the minutes accordingly it's

[1:41:09] Trustee Langereis: around one hour of the recording i'll find it um uh so there's no resolutions without meetings

[1:41:16] Trustee Langereis: we have two uh reports from the apc that are here uh we're

[1:41:21] Voice 1: going to be

[1:41:21] Trustee Langereis: discussing those so we'll

[1:41:22] Trustee Langereis: just receive those and come back and discuss them is that fine

[1:41:25] Trustee Langereis: yep okay anything in the follow-up

[1:41:27] Trustee Langereis: action list on page 25 of the agenda trustee langris anything for you in the follow-up action

[1:41:34] Trustee Langereis: list nothing okay uh so then let's go over the page to the heritage overlay mapping project and

[1:41:44] Trustee Langereis: this arises out of a request for an update about this i believe that came as we were talking about

[1:41:50] Trustee Langereis: the heritage commission uh who's going to give that is that is

[1:41:54] Trustee Langereis: that you heather it

[1:41:56] Voice 7: is can you

[1:42:00] Voice 7: hear me

[1:42:00] Trustee Langereis: uh you can hear you just fine thank you very much you're looking very happy on your last

[1:42:05] Trustee Langereis: day of work i'm sorry i'm

[1:42:08] Trustee Langereis: remiss that we didn't recognize and perhaps we would at the end of the

[1:42:12] Trustee Langereis: meeting um your dedication to the islands trust and your uh your work as the regional planning

[1:42:18] Trustee Langereis: matter i wish we and i um i wish you all the best in your new job in abbotsford i'm not sure why you

[1:42:26] Trustee Langereis: trade the islands trust him for the city of abbotsford but you know we all make choices in

[1:42:31] Trustee Langereis: life we'll

[1:42:32] Voice 7: miss you thank you thanks dad and i will miss you too anyway

[1:42:38] Trustee Langereis: you have a report for us

[1:42:40] Trustee Langereis: over the heritage overlay mapping project yeah

[1:42:43] Voice 11: i mean um i'm i'll give a just a really brief

[1:42:48] Voice 11: uh update this project was a regional planning committee project um there has been some

[1:42:57] Voice 11: Some background on it that's been done and likely the trustees who are on those committees may know more about the kind of where exactly it was.

[1:43:09] Voice 11: But this initial phase got done. There's going to be some question about whether or not it continues into the next year.

[1:43:16] Voice 11: I think my sense is that the trust is reconsidering whether or not to move forward with the project input because, you know, the intention of the project was to actually do some archaeological mapping that would benefit First Nations.

[1:43:35] Voice 11: But it's, it appears to be somewhat unwieldy. There's, you know, there's several First Nations involved.

[1:43:45] Voice 11: We don't know if we really have the resourcing or if this is premature, given given the state of our relationships with First Nations.

[1:43:53] Voice 11: So my understanding is we've done some preliminary work we're gonna put it on pause, and we may consider taking it up again in the future, depending on where the organization goes.

[1:44:04] Voice 11: Is that consistent with maybe what you've heard at committees?

[1:44:12] Trustee Langereis: so to be absolutely frank uh we've actually funded again for next year and like the current year in

[1:44:20] Trustee Langereis: our budget it's funded uh my understanding and i have expressed this in other meetings

[1:44:27] Trustee Langereis: with first nations and with other organizations that this is a project that's going on and that

[1:44:32] Trustee Langereis: we would you know sort of want to wait until the outcomes of that project i have not heard

[1:44:39] Trustee Langereis: now i haven't heard any like specifics about the next steps in the last

[1:44:48] Trustee Langereis: five months four months um in terms of what was happening but my understanding was going to be

[1:44:55] Trustee Langereis: that when the the appropriate um resources not and i don't mean our resources but the appropriate

[1:45:04] Trustee Langereis: groups of people were found that were willing to do this that it was that it was still going

[1:45:09] Trustee Langereis: going forward, that that plan was to still move forward.

[1:45:12] Trustee Langereis: That's my understanding.

[1:45:14] Trustee Langereis: And if that's wrong, I would be a bit chagrined

[1:45:18] Trustee Langereis: because I have expressed to in various forums

[1:45:22] Trustee Langereis: that this is some of the work and that we need to,

[1:45:25] Trustee Langereis: like we had a discussion at one local trust committee

[1:45:27] Trustee Langereis: about maybe we should be looking for heritage sites.

[1:45:30] Trustee Langereis: And I said, no, no, wait for the heritage overlay mapping.

[1:45:32] Trustee Langereis: This is a trust-wide project that's going on.

[1:45:35] Trustee Langereis: So if you've got a different understanding

[1:45:37] Trustee Langereis: from someone uh that i have i'd like to know who that is so that i can talk to them and find out

[1:45:43] Trustee Langereis: the answer to that question thank you david yeah

[1:45:47] Voice 11: that'd be clear freighter

[1:45:50] Trustee Langereis: okay well yeah that's

[1:45:52] Trustee Langereis: not my understanding so i guess i better clear that up i would agree with you it's not active

[1:45:59] Trustee Langereis: at the moment and it's a bit of a frustration but uh any questions time i've asked the question

[1:46:04] Trustee Langereis: i've been told it's still very much an active project so it's just not active at the moment

[1:46:10] Trustee Langereis: i mean a planned project i guess all right thank you any questions from either of the trustees

[1:46:17] Trustee Langereis: no

[1:46:18] Trustee Colbourne: i would agree with your and i've had some communications with director freighter where

[1:46:22] Trustee Colbourne: this has been a topic of conversation but um again this is not the finished product by any

[1:46:28] Trustee Colbourne: uh but

[1:46:29] Voice 17: i haven't heard that it's that it's stopping okay

[1:46:33] Trustee Langereis: okay

[1:46:34] Voice 8: we're going to come now

[1:46:49] Trustee Langereis: to next to the next discussions about the heritage commission issue

[1:46:53] Trustee Langereis: this was just the above the report have you any questions for us about the heritage overlay mapping

[1:46:58] Trustee Langereis: and this all arose because as we were in our discussions about the commission one of the

[1:47:03] Trustee Langereis: points that was raised was well we're doing this heritage overlay mapping so maybe we

[1:47:08] Trustee Langereis: don't need to consider including that in any heritage commission so

[1:47:12] Trustee Langereis: let's now if you're

[1:47:13] Trustee Langereis: if we've got that conversation now we need to go back to the we had four delegates at

[1:47:17] Trustee Langereis: the last meeting who came and spoke to us urging us to create a heritage commission

[1:47:21] Trustee Langereis: and to uh and to designate the i want to say the museum society um as the as the commission uh to

[1:47:34] Trustee Langereis: do some of the work that needs to be done and we sort of left it there because people started to

[1:47:38] Trustee Langereis: talk about so if you want to go talk to that issue go ahead trustee language if i can ask you to pull

[1:47:43] Trustee Langereis: your mask down because even i'm having trouble hearing what you're saying so okay yeah i mean

[1:47:48] Voice 8: i've read the report and i understand its capacity for at this point in time to start establishing a

[1:47:55] Voice 8: register but i think if we don't want to lose the idea of establishing a register on you know

[1:48:01] Voice 8: on gabriel it has been done elsewhere so what i'm and it was put in there as a potential option to

[1:48:07] Voice 8: add it to the projects list we're going to be doing an ocpluv review which is going to extract

[1:48:12] Voice 8: track a lot of the topics if that does go ahead and so i don't want to lose that idea of being

[1:48:20] Voice 8: able to establish a register the museum is interested yeah whether it's a commission

[1:48:25] Voice 8: or not i think that may be more problematic because it sounds like it's it's more bureaucratic

[1:48:32] Voice 8: but the register would be at the starting point and it doesn't incur any sort of liability it

[1:48:38] Voice 8: just becomes you know like several of the islands have done this while registers and they've done a

[1:48:43] Voice 8: bylaw to that effect so my sense is what i'd like to do on this whole issue is just to have

[1:48:49] Voice 8: that put on as a project on the project west okay and so what i've moved then is that the

[1:48:56] Voice 8: gabriel island local trust committee requests staff to consider the establishment of heritage

[1:49:03] Voice 8: to register an inheritance commission bylaw and place it on the local trust committee projects

[1:49:10] Voice 8: i'll second for yourself good

[1:49:12] Trustee Langereis: okay let's just make sure that nadine's got this

[1:49:31] Voice 14: it's that's

[1:49:32] Trustee Langereis: been moved and seconded so um do you wish to speak to it any longer or hear what

[1:49:36] Trustee Langereis: trustee colbert has to say okay

[1:49:38] Trustee Colbourne: uh so at the conclusion of this conversation last time the

[1:49:44] Trustee Colbourne: the museum society and the uh the people who brought this forth have put first nations

[1:49:49] Trustee Colbourne: heritage sites within the remit within what they want to cover and i just don't think we have

[1:49:55] Trustee Colbourne: the um you know the capability of the relationships yet to do that um so and i i said i'd go and ask

[1:50:03] Trustee Colbourne: i've asked and these things take time they don't go on our timeline and i'm hopeful that we've

[1:50:07] Trustee Colbourne: given another month we'll get some feedback and you know we've worked on this relationship for

[1:50:12] Trustee Colbourne: four years and followed the protocol agreement that the Islands Trust signed on behalf of this

[1:50:18] Trustee Colbourne: local trust committee with City of White First Nation specifically. Staff is suggesting not to

[1:50:23] Trustee Colbourne: go ahead with a register or commission and at this point putting on the project list I think

[1:50:29] Trustee Colbourne: is premature so I won't be voting in favor of this but it's and it's it's already something

[1:50:34] Trustee Colbourne: that's covered within the OCP it's just a matter of having a more active designation and I think

[1:50:38] Trustee Colbourne: that should go hand in hand with with uh heritage mapping with relationship building um so at this

[1:50:45] Trustee Colbourne: time i'm not going to vote for it to put on the podcast the heritage overlay

[1:50:48] Voice 8: mapping those first

[1:50:49] Voice 8: nations is first nation not the global

[1:50:52] Trustee Colbourne: community heritage and when lisa wilcox was working on it

[1:50:58] Trustee Colbourne: there was and the idea of doing a heritage um um protection area for an entire island or for

[1:51:04] Trustee Colbourne: the whole trust area would have heritage of whatever you want to call it colonial settler

[1:51:10] Trustee Colbourne: and then first nations as well but it really depends on the relationships you have and how

[1:51:14] Trustee Colbourne: much trust there is going back and forth that's very sensitive information and how you do that

[1:51:18] Trustee Colbourne: is is um is you have to have that spelled out the museum has a working relationship with sunima but

[1:51:26] Trustee Colbourne: it doesn't mention this specifically so i think this is i think it's just premature um that's

[1:51:32] Trustee Colbourne: the case i mean trustee blind very fascinating

[1:51:36] Voice 8: so i just see it's going to be different i see this is

[1:51:39] Voice 8: local initiative and include the community heritage that's not first nation but they

[1:51:47] Voice 8: are working with first nations as well but the heritage overlay mapping that i understand is

[1:51:53] Voice 8: not including local heritage that's not indigenous

[1:51:57] Trustee Langereis: yeah that would have been my understanding but i

[1:52:01] Trustee Langereis: could have been wrong i thought because i know that the group that was did the initial work on

[1:52:05] Trustee Langereis: it was a was a a i think it was a scott scottish uh organization that was doing the work i could

[1:52:13] Trustee Langereis: be i could be wrong but that too anyway um well so here's my my thinking um uh

[1:52:23] Trustee Langereis: and whatever we do with the projects list it's going to be up to the next ltc to decide what

[1:52:28] Trustee Langereis: they want to work on or not um i mean we could put it on the projects list and they could and the

[1:52:34] Trustee Langereis: next ltc will decide to take it off or do whatever is it can i can i suggest that we simply defer

[1:52:42] Trustee Langereis: whether putting this on the project list to the next ltc for consideration as they develop their

[1:52:48] Trustee Langereis: their top priority and projects list yes uh heather carter

[1:52:52] Voice 11: i do have another report uh coming

[1:52:56] Voice 11: up on the agenda that's about your projects list and um recommendations to the next ltc

[1:53:03] Voice 11: so you may want to consider it as part of that discussion well

[1:53:06] Trustee Langereis: we could we have a motion on the

[1:53:08] Trustee Langereis: table that's been second for discussion so we have to decide what to do with the motion at first we

[1:53:12] Trustee Langereis: can defer until that discussion or we can simply make a decision right now to let to defer till

[1:53:18] Trustee Langereis: the uh until the next or refer it to the next ltc is the way i would guess i would prefer as i said

[1:53:26] Trustee Langereis: it's but i can i leave that to the mover what do you think can you table it to the

[1:53:30] Voice 8: next um

[1:53:30] Trustee Langereis: god i

[1:53:32] Trustee Langereis: didn't bring my i didn't bring my cheat sheet of how emotions work um you i think you can uh table

[1:53:38] Trustee Langereis: until the time certain which would be uh to come forward at the at the first meeting of the lcc

[1:53:48] Trustee Langereis: well we could but we'll be having the same discussion yeah no

[1:53:52] Trustee Colbourne: well we could have more

[1:53:53] Trustee Colbourne: information uh i'm

[1:53:59] Voice 8: okay with deferring to the next uh trust committee because it is ultimately

[1:54:04] Voice 8: they're going to be looking at the project list anyway it'll just be there they can consider it

[1:54:10] Voice 8: and make a decision at that point in time if that that would be a term specific right

[1:54:17] Voice 8: this will be unfamiliar to you but you need to break the talk it would be december 1st

[1:54:22] Voice 8: if you defer to december 1st healthy is

[1:54:25] Trustee Langereis: that when the first ltc would be um so okay so trustee

[1:54:31] Trustee Langereis: coburn just make sure i understand your position your your view is you were not going to support

[1:54:35] Trustee Langereis: the original motion but you would be okay with deferring until the next till the october 27th

[1:54:41] Trustee Langereis: ltc meeting yep but won't the new ltc have exactly whatever information you're going to get

[1:54:48] Trustee Langereis: um in the next three or four weeks and i

[1:54:51] Trustee Colbourne: would pass it on if we don't have a meeting but they

[1:54:53] Trustee Colbourne: would be yeah yeah

[1:54:55] Trustee Langereis: so i'm i think i i'm more comfortable see to me this is the sort of thing

[1:55:01] Trustee Langereis: that's just there's nothing more local than what your projects are this is not a this is not a

[1:55:06] Trustee Langereis: trust council issue this is what your projects are is totally up to the local trustee and uh there's

[1:55:13] Trustee Langereis: going to be two new ones whoever they may be so i'm i'm going to the concept of moving into the

[1:55:18] Trustee Langereis: december the first ltc we're for table the motion and how that brought to it the next ltc as to

[1:55:24] Trustee Langereis: whether they want to add it to the project so i

[1:55:26] Trustee Colbourne: think you have to put forward the motion to

[1:55:28] Trustee Colbourne: table and then there's no discussion

[1:55:29] Trustee Langereis: correct so i'll move it that the motion be tabled till the

[1:55:36] Trustee Langereis: uh first meeting of the new local trust committee currently scheduled for december

[1:55:44] Voice 8: i just want

[1:55:47] Trustee Langereis: to make sure that he got back and i always say currently scheduled because the

[1:55:51] Trustee Langereis: movement of the trust council putting everything else in and it's like a moving flux target right

[1:55:57] Trustee Langereis: now so who knows what's going to happen anyway so that's been moved and seconded uh any further

[1:56:03] Trustee Langereis: discussion related to that we can't oh all right okay thank you very much someone knows the roberts

[1:56:09] Trustee Langereis: then i'll call vote all in favor that's two votes opposed trustee colburn's opposed okay

[1:56:16] Trustee Langereis: Thank you, but that's been tabled till that meeting.

[1:56:18] Trustee Langereis: Thank you for your discussion around that.

[1:56:20] Trustee Langereis: And thank you for your work around that.

[1:56:22] Trustee Langereis: I actually think there's a lot, I'll just say out loud,

[1:56:25] Trustee Langereis: I think there's lots of potential for an established society to be a

[1:56:31] Trustee Langereis: commission would take the load off,

[1:56:33] Trustee Langereis: off the administrative load off of the trust for,

[1:56:36] Trustee Langereis: for handling the character register.

[1:56:39] Trustee Langereis: I don't know whether that works.

[1:56:41] Trustee Langereis: I think there'll be some upfront work of creating the bylaws to do all of

[1:56:45] Trustee Langereis: that and we need to be it have to be a project and there'd be some work in that but if you get

[1:56:49] Trustee Langereis: an established group of volunteers for some of the work then i wonder whether some of the

[1:56:54] Trustee Langereis: administrative challenges that you flagged and some of the other local trust areas may not exist

[1:57:01] Trustee Langereis: if they're doing that but who knows i don't know thanks for your work on that uh the next item on

[1:57:06] Trustee Langereis: the agenda then is emergency medical services and that was this is on our disc i just our agenda

[1:57:13] Trustee Langereis: the last or the last meeting and it got deferred yeah and so i think this was you trusting forward

[1:57:19] Trustee Langereis: go ahead so

[1:57:19] Trustee Colbourne: this is related to ambulance uh levels of service on the island um despite or

[1:57:25] Trustee Colbourne: partly because of the two ferry system uh there's been some logistical challenges these are right

[1:57:30] Trustee Colbourne: across the province and you're seeing communities and the kootenays and others requesting that the

[1:57:34] Trustee Colbourne: province change the level of response and how first responders from fire department ambulance

[1:57:40] Trustee Colbourne: let's work together uh this is a tricky conversation to have both myself and director craig

[1:57:45] Trustee Colbourne: have made some efforts to sort of just get more information and look at how the ltc could team

[1:57:49] Trustee Colbourne: up with the regional director to make that request on behalf of the community to the province um but

[1:57:55] Trustee Colbourne: it also brings together ambulance service executives and everyone else we haven't been able

[1:57:58] Trustee Colbourne: to we haven't been able to hold that meeting but um there are now that august is done and people

[1:58:04] Trustee Colbourne: are back into the flow of work um i i am hopeful that we can have that discussion soon and then

[1:58:10] Trustee Colbourne: potentially work together on a request to the province so

[1:58:14] Trustee Langereis: this would be a

[1:58:14] Trustee Langereis: request from the

[1:58:15] Trustee Langereis: local trust committee and the regional the regional district potentially

[1:58:19] Trustee Colbourne: but we do need

[1:58:20] Trustee Colbourne: to get the information directly from you know fire department from ambulance service and then

[1:58:25] Trustee Colbourne: what

[1:58:26] Voice 1: happened in the

[1:58:26] Trustee Colbourne: cooties is regional districts and municipalities signed letters to change the

[1:58:32] Trustee Colbourne: level of response uh questions trustee language

[1:58:36] Voice 8: uh i thought most of them in your past talker

[1:58:44] Voice 8: i know that there was discussions around it with the ambulance

[1:58:48] Trustee Colbourne: and the fire department that was

[1:58:51] Trustee Colbourne: it's part of it yeah yeah and definitely we want the fire department um uh leadership to be involved

[1:58:57] Trustee Colbourne: to be involved in the discussion but there's also bc ambulance and it's

[1:59:01] Voice 1: not it's not we can't ask

[1:59:02] Trustee Colbourne: local paramedics that puts them in a difficult situation because it's their service levels and

[1:59:07] Trustee Colbourne: how it

[1:59:08] Trustee Colbourne: works with them so we do have to get the bc ambulance service folks to discuss it with us

[1:59:12] Trustee Colbourne: i would like it to be in a public venue which is why we tried to do it the last meeting we

[1:59:16] Trustee Colbourne: couldn't get the zoom to work in the timing you know they get called out right um so it's it's

[1:59:22] Trustee Colbourne: logistically a little bit challenging but i still think um it's something we should work toward

[1:59:26] Trustee Colbourne: because it's it's it is

[1:59:27] Trustee Langereis: an issue on the community and it's

[1:59:29] Trustee Colbourne: affecting um the health outcomes so

[1:59:31] Trustee Langereis: So besides a joint request to the,

[1:59:35] Trustee Langereis: and I'm not saying, I'm not diminishing it,

[1:59:37] Trustee Langereis: request to the potential or request to the province

[1:59:40] Trustee Langereis: between the regional district

[1:59:42] Trustee Langereis: and what's the active action item

[1:59:46] Trustee Langereis: for the local trust committee on this?

[1:59:49] Trustee Colbourne: But this one was just to get the information

[1:59:51] Trustee Colbourne: and to have a public discussion with BC Ambulance

[1:59:55] Trustee Colbourne: and fire department here and then ourselves

[1:59:57] Trustee Colbourne: with the regulatory framework.

[2:00:00] Trustee Colbourne: we have and you know the different responsibilities between regional district and ourselves and just

[2:00:05] Trustee Colbourne: being community representatives right but i i don't want to put this for discussion we need

[2:00:10] Trustee Colbourne: to have that discussion with bc ambulance to get that information because it's it's it's not it's

[2:00:16] Trustee Colbourne: not an easy

[2:00:16] Trustee Colbourne: subject and there's it's it's frankly broken across the province okay

[2:00:23] Trustee Langereis: so is there any

[2:00:25] Trustee Langereis: action item for us here today and does it in any way relate to the discussion about whether

[2:00:30] Trustee Langereis: we hold on the october 27th meeting or not i just want to be clear because i didn't know you you

[2:00:35] Trustee Langereis: listed a series

[2:00:36] Trustee Colbourne: of things this is one of the things where we can't make this decision now

[2:00:39] Trustee Colbourne: without the information so this would be something that i would hope to to get done this term um and

[2:00:44] Trustee Colbourne: potentially you would have the meeting with annual service at that time or to have it in advance

[2:00:49] Trustee Colbourne: with ourselves uh and and director craig right

[2:00:54] Trustee Langereis: so you're sort of talking about having some sort

[2:00:56] Trustee Langereis: of a joint meeting where the public can weigh in and get to where and how does that relate to the

[2:01:02] Trustee Langereis: work that we're doing i'm just trying to get my head around i mean i know we do advocacy and i'm

[2:01:07] Trustee Langereis: totally fine with doing advocacy but is that trying to get to a position where you can have a

[2:01:12] Trustee Langereis: a joint advocacy um uh statement is that effectively what you're talking about

[2:01:19] Trustee Langereis: um okay uh let me take it i'm having a niggling of an idea about how we could do i mean we could

[2:01:25] Trustee Langereis: do something like that virtually for example especially if a number of the people you're

[2:01:29] Trustee Langereis: talking about um would be joining us virtually anyway we can always call a special meeting that

[2:01:35] Trustee Langereis: would allow us to be there just to stop the staffing of that is always a challenge um and

[2:01:41] Trustee Langereis: do we need it and is it really the local trust committee well i guess we're going to go we're

[2:01:45] Trustee Langereis: going to go vote on on some of that letter i guess we need to have a little yeah okay okay

[2:01:50] Trustee Langereis: I

[2:01:51] Trustee Colbourne: think it's less effective if it, you

[2:01:53] Trustee Langereis: know, I am

[2:01:53] Trustee Colbourne: a first responder, so there's some, you know, levels of which hats are you wearing and all that conflict of duties, as opposed to conflict of interest.

[2:02:01] Trustee Colbourne: So, you know, but I think it's stronger coming from the LCC as opposed to an individual.

[2:02:06] Trustee Langereis: Right. Okay. Do you have anything further to say on that? I'm not hearing, but that's one thing as we move into our discussion around 13.3 to keep in mind.

[2:02:17] Trustee Langereis: okay

[2:02:17] Trustee Colbourne: and then could i suggest a five minute break we can go for two good hours here

[2:02:21] Trustee Colbourne: uh

[2:02:21] Trustee Langereis: we can um we or do you want to we're about to get into and i know we have one of the applicants

[2:02:28] Trustee Langereis: with us but i i don't know if she's time constrained she's fine um uh we're also you

[2:02:35] Trustee Langereis: know we're sort of about the lunch break yeah uh we're about to have a discussion about the um

[2:02:42] Trustee Langereis: the resolution without meaning that's the last those are all related that's the last

[2:02:46] Trustee Langereis: act and then we have two applications and then we have the business case around the other we

[2:02:52] Trustee Langereis: need a lot to protect we have quite a bit of work to do okay so can i suggest we sort of we're going

[2:02:57] Trustee Langereis: to take a break let's break until uh till till one o'clock 105 and we'll come back after that

[2:03:03] Trustee Langereis: and start pick up again so yeah that's good okay thanks very much thank

[2:03:08] Voice 14: you

[2:03:09] Trustee Langereis: so anybody watching

[2:03:10] Trustee Langereis: live stream or just i'm just going to mute to stop the video for half an hour

[2:03:14] Voice 14: we'll be back

[2:31:32] Voice 9: who's ending up in the hospital yeah

[2:33:24] Voice 14: that would definitely catch some attention

[2:33:26] Voice 14: nobody should get more

[2:33:27] Voice 8: attention than anybody else but let's still be there about the party

[2:33:31] Voice 8: the

[2:33:31] Voice 17: media will be on ironic but yes okay

[2:33:35] Trustee Langereis: we are live now um so uh those of you watching

[2:33:40] Trustee Langereis: on live stream welcome back and uh that was watching the recording we're still in the middle

[2:33:45] Trustee Langereis: of our local trust committee meeting uh of the gabriel of local trust um happy to be here and

[2:33:53] Trustee Langereis: we're at uh number uh eight five of the agenda which i think is combined with look with um

[2:34:03] Trustee Langereis: with H6 and also the two APC,

[2:34:09] Trustee Langereis: HAPC and APC reports back.

[2:34:12] Trustee Langereis: So we have the draft table motion,

[2:34:15] Trustee Langereis: which, oh, I forgot to look at the video.

[2:34:17] Trustee Langereis: I'm sorry, Trustee Landrys.

[2:34:20] Trustee Langereis: Maybe we should just stop for a second

[2:34:23] Trustee Langereis: so I can watch that video.

[2:34:27] Trustee Langereis: Or if you remind me, I'll do it at the next break.

[2:34:30] Trustee Langereis: Because we still haven't adopted those minutes.

[2:34:32] Trustee Langereis: we haven't adopted the minutes because i was supposed to watch the video and i didn't um

[2:34:38] Trustee Langereis: and what we do have is the language that was here whether it was a table motion or not

[2:34:43] Trustee Langereis: and we have uh some other material here i should have that in addition to the letter from uh

[2:34:50] Trustee Langereis: miss gilmore we did have some other correspondence as well um and and i i'm not i guess it's a little

[2:34:58] Trustee Langereis: unclear me what one from uh dr kellenberger and then there was another one uh that i've lost the

[2:35:04] Trustee Langereis: name of gary mccollum gary mccollum gary mccollum yeah and

[2:35:09] Trustee Colbourne: rudisher late last night

[2:35:11] Trustee Langereis: and then we had

[2:35:12] Trustee Langereis: giselle rudisher late last night so we had other correspondence which are not in the package um

[2:35:19] Trustee Langereis: we do have um gilmore's who is in the package because it was referred directly to us

[2:35:25] Trustee Langereis: um but we also have a staff report uh regarding the policy the standing resolution issue

[2:35:31] Trustee Langereis: and the stvr so trustees how would you like to deal with this would you like to get a report from

[2:35:37] Trustee Langereis: from um manager damon first and then go back and discuss how to deal with the standing resolution

[2:35:43] Trustee Langereis: motion or how would you like to do it go ahead just call this

[2:35:48] Trustee Colbourne: with your initiative and and i'm

[2:35:50] Trustee Colbourne: I'm glad it's initiated discussion. And that's, that's the that's the primary thing. And the director of bylaw compliance and enforcement has provided some alternative wording as well.

[2:36:03] Trustee Colbourne: So I'm not sure how much procedural time I want to spend with the motion that I put forward for discussion. My intention was clear to send it to the APC and HAPC for as much feedback as possible and to discuss it here.

[2:36:16] Trustee Colbourne: that's been fruitful and then we've got this alternative wording so i'm not wedded

[2:36:20] Trustee Colbourne: to the to the words it's more the concept and um i'm willing to to consider

[2:36:26] Trustee Colbourne: uh the uh the alternative recommendations from staff i haven't seen how it worked on salisbury

[2:36:33] Trustee Colbourne: and didn't work in other areas as well my preference would be to refer this language

[2:36:39] Trustee Colbourne: to the same places to APC and HAPC along with the project list for OCP and LNBA amendments

[2:36:46] Trustee Colbourne: and to have that happen before October 27th.

[2:36:53] Trustee Langereis: Okay so I think as a first step let's have

[2:36:58] Trustee Langereis: Manager Dingman give us his two reports and then maybe we can talk about what to do next. Okay

[2:37:11] Good afternoon Chair

[2:37:13] Voice 5: and trustees. The first staff report that was prepared was to supply the local trust meeting statistics on the short-term vacation and unlawful dwellings compliance enforcement files for Gabriola.

[2:37:26] Voice 5: And the recommendation for this report is that the LDC receive the information. The report details current number of short-term vacation level files and unlawful dwelling files.

[2:37:39] Voice 5: For the STBR as background, for the STBR files, the current number of open files is eight.

[2:37:47] Voice 5: One of those is located on Mudge Island.

[2:37:50] Voice 5: The Mudge Island file has now an inactive Airbnb advertisement after the report was

[2:37:56] Voice 5: undertaken and is being monitored for compliance as the property is for sale and hopefully

[2:38:02] Voice 5: the sale of the property will resolve that file.

[2:38:07] Voice 5: The majority of the files are being monitored for compliance and there are no grounds to

[2:38:10] Voice 5: issue violation notices at this time or take other enforcement action.

[2:38:15] Voice 5: There is either no activity on the lots or they are now operating as a bed and breakfast.

[2:38:22] Voice 5: One operator is proposing to submit a temporary use permit application and I believe since

[2:38:28] Voice 5: this report has been written they have submitted some initial application forms but not a complete

[2:38:34] Voice 5: form so i believe that one will eventually appear before the trust committee there is one operator

[2:38:40] Voice 5: who has an act of unlawful operation and has been issued a violation notice that operator

[2:38:47] Voice 5: has paid multiple fines and the property is for sale and it's sold it may resolve it but if not

[2:38:54] Voice 5: you may have to consider legal action to get this done a couple years and he's paying fines

[2:39:00] Voice 5: really has the cost of doing business but the property is for sale and hopefully that will

[2:39:05] Voice 5: resolve that fine just

[2:39:07] Trustee Colbourne: how much are the fines uh

[2:39:09] Voice 5: to probably 350 and if he pays at the discounted

[2:39:14] Voice 5: rate it's probably 225 250 so and that's what he's been doing just pay at the discounted rate

[2:39:20] Voice 5: so if he's billing out at 200 a night i mean we can't write clients fast enough really to keep

[2:39:27] Voice 5: up with this type of uh issue you know if we had software for example we could issue them faster

[2:39:35] Voice 5: developed a form a pdf fillable form so we can do them faster instead of handwriting all these

[2:39:41] Voice 5: tickets out but this this does happen where you have an operator they can make enough money from

[2:39:47] Voice 5: the operation that they'll just pay the fines as a cost to the business even if we were to issue

[2:39:52] Voice 5: one a week it's still the profit is still there any other questions at this time no

[2:39:59] Trustee Colbourne: no that opens

[2:40:00] Trustee Colbourne: up more questions but we may not have time this term to fix that so

[2:40:04] Voice 5: for the three files that were

[2:40:05] Voice 5: opened for this year two were opened by public complaint and one was open based on proactive

[2:40:10] Voice 5: review uh the airbnb advertisements in july uh the two of them by public complaint were open

[2:40:17] Voice 5: because the complaint mistakenly believed that a bed and breakfast was not permitted as a home

[2:40:21] Voice 5: occupation on gabriel uh but you know it is that's all they were operating and right now the

[2:40:27] Voice 5: advertisements are just being monitored to ensure that you know they continue operating a lawful home

[2:40:33] Voice 5: occupation and then it will be closed i don't anticipate that we'll need to take any further

[2:40:41] Voice 5: action uh any other questions on the stdr uh

[2:40:45] Voice 8: no just i get a sense then that there's a lot of

[2:40:48] Voice 8: misunderstanding about bed and breakfast versus what we would call a short-term vacation right

[2:40:52] Voice 8: now correct there is you see 20 listings on airbnb but how many of them are actually bnbs

[2:40:59] Voice 8: operating legally

[2:41:01] Voice 5: the majority will just be a type of regular they may not be following all

[2:41:05] Voice 5: of the bed and breakfast regulations and that may draw a complaint but in the end they're just

[2:41:10] Voice 5: operating bed and breakfast and then we've got the smaller number where they're actually operating

[2:41:15] Voice 5: for a presentation level without the temporary use permit and we've been pursuing those initially

[2:41:20] Voice 5: before so there's no

[2:41:24] Voice 5: further question on the scbr for the unlawful dwelling files

[2:41:28] Voice 5: we've got 17 open files three of those are actually in wedge island and we've got a file

[2:41:34] Voice 5: for the float home in beckman bay the concerns there about that residential use where the sewage

[2:41:39] Voice 5: is going uh seven of the files are for residential use of travel trainers one is for the use of tiny

[2:41:47] Voice 5: homes actually there's two tiny homes on that particular lot and one is for a

[2:41:51] Voice 5: secondary suite. The remainder of the files are for the use of accessory

[2:41:56] Voice 5: buildings for residential purposes on the smaller lots where no secondary

[2:42:00] Voice 5: suite is permitted. The use of the travel trailers has the easiest path

[2:42:05] Voice 5: compliance since they can use them for residences if they get the building

[2:42:10] Voice 5: permit and connect the unit to a septic system and but the use of the accessory

[2:42:15] Voice 5: buildings for residential use is more difficult issue to resolve and there have been violation

[2:42:20] Voice 5: notices issued for those unlawful uses so with the analysis on this is uh you know we've done

[2:42:28] Voice 5: an extensive review of the airbnb ads for several years and the majority of advertisements are for

[2:42:34] Voice 5: lawful bed and breakfast home occupations and even most of the current open files are for again

[2:42:39] Voice 5: they're lawful bed and breakfast operations that only need to be monitored in case they're not

[2:42:45] Voice 5: complying with all of their regulations that they have to comply with as a whole

[2:42:48] Voice 5: occupation of bed and breakfast and as i've always stated there are those on gabriola who don't know

[2:42:56] Voice 5: that a bed and breakfast can operate under the land use by law without any permit or other type

[2:43:01] Voice 5: of permission needed for the province or extra infrastructure and there are currently four

[2:43:07] Voice 5: countries permits for active sdbrs at gabriola and one applicant is in the process of renewing

[2:43:13] Voice 5: their permit and so overall i would say that the number of unlawful dwelling files represents a

[2:43:20] Voice 5: fraction of the total number of unlawful dwellings in the area you know when we talk to the property

[2:43:26] Voice 5: owner subject to complaint they can point out they can always point out other unlawful dwellings

[2:43:31] Voice 5: travel trailers being used and the number of non-committed residences uses main number in

[2:43:38] Voice 5: the hundreds now basing that just on other salt spring for example and north pender where we do

[2:43:44] Voice 5: have a high number of reported unlawful dwellings and for on north pender before the secondary

[2:43:50] Voice 5: suites were legalized the report was there were 500 to 700 unlawful secondary suites and pender

[2:43:59] Voice 5: has a population roughly half the size of gabriela so i have no doubt that there are hundreds of

[2:44:06] Voice 5: unlawful dwellings on gabriola unfortunately we don't have um we don't actually do research

[2:44:14] Voice 5: on the total number like we're reviewing complaints investigating those complaints

[2:44:20] Voice 5: and that's where we have the numbers that we do have and harder numbers on the total number of

[2:44:26] Voice 5: unlawful dwellings at any time we don't have hard numbers on that but it could easily be in

[2:44:34] Voice 5: hundreds are there any questions on the statistical report

[2:44:42] Voice 5: no

[2:44:43] Voice 8: the number of number of complaints would be a percentage of the total

[2:44:47] Voice 8: uh total number right now 10 percent or so but i

[2:44:51] Voice 5: suspect that we the complaints that we're getting

[2:44:54] Voice 5: it's probably represents less than 10 percent of the total number of unlawful dwellings the

[2:45:00] Voice 5: complaints that we get are the ones where there's actually some nuisance created through

[2:45:06] Voice 5: noise where people are really concerned about uh the sewage they may know there's no septic system

[2:45:13] Voice 5: on the property and so it's like how are they living there and dealing with all of their

[2:45:19] Voice 5: free water black water would

[2:45:22] Voice 8: some some situations be where they would be using the primary dwelling

[2:45:27] Voice 8: primary residence for bathroom

[2:45:32] Voice 5: what's i guess

[2:45:33] Voice 5: it's not usually cooking yes uh some will report that you know when we ask

[2:45:38] Voice 5: What are you doing for sewage?

[2:45:39] Voice 5: They'll say, okay, we have unused facilities in the house.

[2:45:42] Voice 5: So that would, if that is the case,

[2:45:44] Voice 5: that would alleviate any concerns

[2:45:46] Voice 5: about what about sewage is being dealt with,

[2:45:49] Voice 5: unless they really have too many people on the property

[2:45:53] Voice 5: and then they'll, the system will overflow

[2:45:55] Voice 5: and it'll become obvious that the sewage

[2:45:58] Voice 5: is on the ground and whatnot.

[2:46:00] Voice 5: If there's too many people living on the lot

[2:46:02] Voice 5: and using a system designed for a single family,

[2:46:05] Voice 5: We've got 10, 12 or more people living on the lot trying to use that one system.

[2:46:10] Voice 5: But that is what some will report, is that they're using the facilities in the house.

[2:46:16] Voice 8: Because you could have a one or two-bedroom house with a septic system, of course, but

[2:46:22] Voice 8: 10 people live in it for five hours, and it would still be compliant because it's just

[2:46:28] Voice 8: the single residence that they're living in.

[2:46:31] Voice 8: if

[2:46:31] Voice 5: they all live in the same house yes we can't regulate the number of people that live in a

[2:46:36] Voice 5: single family house i know other jurisdictions try i guess to say you know it all has to be

[2:46:43] Voice 5: the members of the same family or a single family we're not doing that we're not even

[2:46:48] Voice 5: trying to define that because it is very difficult to define what's a family so if

[2:46:54] Voice 5: that question ever comes up you know is this a single family they may be unrelated but they'll

[2:47:00] Voice 5: signal we're one family right and it's just not an issue we get into and try to distinguish

[2:47:05] Voice 5: whether there's one two or three families living in a single family home or what's supposed to be

[2:47:11] Voice 5: a single family home because

[2:47:12] Voice 8: our bylaws define it as five unrelated people up to five unrelated

[2:47:16] Voice 8: people in the family allow for a co-op i guess the five individuals to live

[2:47:25] Voice 5: in a house so it's

[2:47:27] Voice 5: not a specific instant instance that i've been covering as far as a large something that on other

[2:47:33] Voice 5: islands that we call boarding house yeah okay yeah any

[2:47:38] Trustee Langereis: other questions on the on the staff report

[2:47:40] Trustee Langereis: regarding statistics do you have any other questions on the stock report on statistics no

[2:47:48] Trustee Langereis: no nothing from you okay then how about we have your second report which is on the which is on

[2:47:53] Trustee Langereis: on the proposed standing resolution

[2:47:55] Trustee Langereis: that's now been through the APC.

[2:47:59] Voice 5: So, Chair, the second report is for the policy options

[2:48:01] Voice 5: for by-law courts on unlawful dwellings.

[2:48:03] Voice 5: And I did present a recommendation that made,

[2:48:09] Voice 5: basically it has made changes to the original one

[2:48:11] Voice 5: that was developed for Salt Spring and the North Pender

[2:48:14] Voice 5: and that was proposed by Trustee Colburn.

[2:48:17] Voice 5: This one is really tailor-made for Gabriola.

[2:48:20] Voice 5: address concerns on Gabriel on Gabriela so the current number of files the report summary per

[2:48:27] Voice 5: number of non-committed residential uses unlawful dwellings is limited for Gabriela and that's based

[2:48:33] Voice 5: on my opinion with the number of files that we have the experience of working on the honest is

[2:48:38] Voice 5: 2014 and any issues with the current non-committed uses leave to be resolved by the negotiation of

[2:48:45] Voice 5: voluntary compliance agreements to new property owners reasonable time to comply with the

[2:48:49] Voice 5: regulations so the background on this the report is a response to the proposed resolution put

[2:48:56] Voice 5: forward in july 22 2022 level trust committee by trustee colbert and the resolution i won't

[2:49:03] Voice 5: read the whole resolution up it's there for everyone to read so in an analysis of the

[2:49:09] Voice 5: resolution as i say uh the original one was drafted for salt spring and then it was later

[2:49:15] Voice 5: are adopted by north pender uh and the original resolution was drafted consideration of the scale

[2:49:20] Voice 5: of the problem housing issues on salt spring island which is the that's the worst case

[2:49:27] Voice 5: situation for housing on the gulf islands and the number of files for unlawful dwellings

[2:49:32] Voice 5: which are you know they say they are the greater scale than that on the age of uh salt spring has

[2:49:39] Voice 5: a greater issue with travel trailer use as a residence and for that reason it was necessary

[2:49:44] Voice 5: includes oz to address uh the non several non-committed campgrounds gabriel has very

[2:49:50] Voice 5: specific and effective regulations for the use of travel trainers and those regular regulations

[2:49:55] Voice 5: limit the use to two travel trailers so they're equivalent for 90s maximum per year and the travel

[2:50:02] Voice 5: traders can be used for residential purposes for two years with a valid building permanent

[2:50:06] Voice 5: connection to septic service and for this reason any reference to non-pre campgrounds i believe is

[2:50:12] Voice 5: are necessary to enforce the perception b64 will prevent any permitted there are multiple

[2:50:18] Voice 5: handrails and i also expressed our concerns about the use of the term in perpetuity so the standing

[2:50:27] Voice 5: resolution cannot be used to amend the land use bylaw and any deferment can only be temporary

[2:50:32] Voice 5: if permanent changes are required it would require changes to the ocp and the lup

[2:50:38] Voice 5: be if the alternative resolution is adopted i believe it should contain the word existing

[2:50:43] Voice 5: non-compliant dwellings as after the adoption of the original resolution in sal spring there was

[2:50:49] Voice 5: immediate concern about a proliferation of new non-committed residential uses and the resolution

[2:50:54] Voice 5: is ultimately amended by the salt spring outlook trustee visa so with the policies that our

[2:51:01] Voice 5: biologists are dealing with we have a trust council policy that directs us to seek voluntary

[2:51:06] Voice 5: voluntary compliance, to resolve these complaints, and I believe to, you know, the education

[2:51:12] Voice 5: and negotiation with those subject to complaints, we can resolve the majority of the files without

[2:51:19] Voice 5: the need to ask for enforcement measures such as file notices of legal action. And I've

[2:51:29] Voice 5: stated the current policy there where it says compliance is thought through combination

[2:51:32] Voice 5: of the education, deviation, and enforcement techniques. So in the end, the rationale for

[2:51:39] Voice 5: my recommendation that i probably has for a standing resolution on enforcement on the

[2:51:43] Voice 5: unlawful dwellings is that the current policy of giving property owners time to comply with

[2:51:48] Voice 5: the regulations of land use by law they have been effective in gaining compliance and resolving the

[2:51:53] Voice 5: concerns of those in the community in regards to the non-committed residential uses or dwellings

[2:51:57] Voice 5: and the concerns about the lack of housing there are a small number of files that have resulted in

[2:52:02] Voice 5: issues of violation notices and the majority of those subject to complaint have been willing to

[2:52:08] Voice 5: consider voluntary options for compliance and we're giving you know ample time even if it's a

[2:52:15] Voice 5: year now or a year plus for people to come develop solutions to voluntary comply uh with

[2:52:22] Voice 5: land use bylaw that's what we're doing but in the end you do have you can adopt the uh what i've

[2:52:28] Voice 5: called here the alternative resolution that was put forward by trustee colburn in order to address

[2:52:34] Voice 5: the concerns about housing and the steps that by-law staff are taking to investigate complaints

[2:52:42] Voice 5: and do the job to

[2:52:45] Voice 17: address the non-permitted or unlawful uses so

[2:52:51] Trustee Colbourne: in the case that um you've got

[2:52:54] Trustee Colbourne: a higher number using a primary septic system this would still allow you to take action on that

[2:53:02] Trustee Colbourne: sort of situation right this doesn't happen

[2:53:04] Voice 5: absolutely you'll get so what has happened on

[2:53:07] Voice 5: other islands is say a duplex gets there was an example in salt spring a duplex got turned into a

[2:53:13] Voice 5: sixplex that

[2:53:14] Voice 5: was the worst case scenario and so you have now a sixplex on one septic system

[2:53:20] Voice 5: and it flooded the backyard with sewage and so vihan had to get involved you know there was no

[2:53:26] Voice 5: doubts that there is a health and safety issue because they just you know they're at the end

[2:53:32] Voice 5: in the worst case scenarios there's actually sewage on the ground you can smell that it's

[2:53:36] Voice 5: there and it has to be addressed and you just you can't turn a duplex into a living unit for

[2:53:42] Voice 5: six individual families this would yes address that it still triggers the compliance absolutely

[2:53:49] Voice 5: enforcement okay

[2:53:51] Voice 14: anything

[2:53:54] Trustee Langereis: further trustee yeah no no let me see what trustee longer yeah i've got

[2:53:59] Voice 8: got a couple questions did you say a volunteer compliance what does that mean exactly in terms

[2:54:05] Voice 8: of what credit outcome they're talking about there

[2:54:10] Voice 5: well what it comes down to is giving them

[2:54:13] Voice 5: time to comply and over the past couple years we've developed a a new agreement it's not legally

[2:54:21] Voice 5: legally binding but it's not we're not issuing a ticket and then saying sign a legally binding

[2:54:27] Voice 5: compliance agreement we can present it to people and say okay sign and basically pay a contract

[2:54:33] Voice 5: here are the terms and whatever it is within one year or two years you were going to take steps to

[2:54:39] Voice 5: comply with the land use bylaw and cease the unlawful use so we'll address each contravention

[2:54:45] Voice 5: and it ends up being a much more cooperative process

[2:54:50] Voice 5: and avoids any anxiety over the legality

[2:54:55] Voice 5: of taking people to court or issuing fines,

[2:54:58] Voice 5: we've tried this step.

[2:55:00] Voice 5: And with some, it is successful.

[2:55:02] Voice 5: They will sign the agreement

[2:55:03] Voice 5: and then we can work through the issues

[2:55:06] Voice 5: and gain compliance through that voluntary agreement.

[2:55:09] Voice 8: So that would be like an example I'm thinking of

[2:55:12] Voice 8: is a cottage on a lot less than five acres that would then apply they have to apply for a rezoning

[2:55:19] Voice 8: or however that

[2:55:21] Voice 5: option is up to them eventually we're going to negotiate and come to terms either

[2:55:25] Voice 5: they're going to cease the use out front so we don't have landlords saying okay you've got one

[2:55:31] Voice 5: month two months or whatever to leave as in they're evicting someone you know okay if you

[2:55:36] Voice 5: want to work on this issue over the next year and either cease the use or yes rezone or look at some

[2:55:41] Voice 5: other option that can go before the local trust committee that's what we try to get them to agree

[2:55:46] Voice 5: to with that type of agreement so you're giving them a timeline basically like a year or so yes

[2:55:52] Voice 5: certain

[2:55:53] Voice 8: set of conditions

[2:55:53] Voice 5: and a deadline yes

[2:55:55] Voice 8: so that's not throwing the person out immediately

[2:55:58] Voice 8: very short term it is like a cottage on a lot less than five acres because that would be an

[2:56:04] Voice 8: over time process what about the situation where you get a complaint that somebody's living in a

[2:56:09] Voice 8: a pump house sleeping there and using helps facilities in the

[2:56:18] Voice 5: end that would still be if

[2:56:19] Voice 5: that is their residence it would still be at an unlawful use and we would ask them to cease

[2:56:26] Voice 5: accessory buildings are not meant for any type of human habitation especially a pump right

[2:56:32] Voice 8: i've

[2:56:33] Voice 8: heard that sometimes happens or a shed yes it does yeah people are sleeping in there um the other

[2:56:39] Voice 8: policy we've got is the accessory building that has allowed a kitchen and a bathroom for the

[2:56:46] Voice 8: homeowner for home occupation and personal uses but i can see that potentially becoming

[2:56:54] Voice 8: increasingly used if or how would you deal with that so

[2:56:59] Voice 5: yes i'm sure a lot of these uh accessory

[2:57:01] Voice 5: three buildings where they have put in a the kitchen the wall now they put awfully put in

[2:57:06] Voice 5: the kitchen or the bathroom a lot of them probably are being rented out occupied for residences

[2:57:13] Voice 5: it's unlawful but they're still doing it um so if this as if their use is not if they have this

[2:57:23] Voice 5: extra residential use that isn't permitted we're going to tell them that that contravenes the

[2:57:28] Voice 5: bylaw and ask them to comply and it's not we're not focusing on whether or not the fixtures are

[2:57:33] Voice 5: in the building it's is someone living in that structure whatever it is and using it as a

[2:57:39] Voice 5: residence that's the most important aspect and in fact really depending on the definitions in each

[2:57:46] Voice 5: land use bylaw throughout the local trust area sometimes that's the only way we can enforce if

[2:57:51] Voice 5: it's actually used so someone can when somebody's on this bill what is in the end a second dwelling

[2:57:59] Voice 5: everything about it is an absolute second dwelling but legal advice is we can't enforce unless it's

[2:58:06] Voice 5: actually used as a residence

[2:58:09] Voice 8: right yeah because you could have you know nothing stopping somebody

[2:58:13] Voice 8: from an accessory building like a kitchen bathroom legally installed creating a room that has a

[2:58:19] Voice 8: bedroom but more than a bedroom and some living space

[2:58:24] Voice 5: well they'll some of them they'll do the

[2:58:26] Voice 5: whole thing so it's actually exceeded the density but in order to actually you know will this will

[2:58:32] Voice 5: enforcement work can we get a judge to say that's unlawful uh some advice is only if there's an

[2:58:39] Voice 5: actual residential use the the fixtures the description whatever else hard structures are

[2:58:46] Voice 5: in that building in the end become irrelevant no they use it as a residence because we define

[2:58:51] Voice 8: a dwelling it's having three components one is that it's a building that's designed or intended

[2:58:59] Voice 8: for residential use two that it is um that is occupied by one family and rather has a kitchen

[2:59:10] Voice 8: those are the three criteria we have and that defines dwelling per se so when the motions

[2:59:19] Voice 8: and when we use these as you say the words we use in a motion have to relate to the vital

[2:59:24] Voice 8: meanings as well and i see the word accessory structures in your version i just go to that

[2:59:32] Voice 8: to me i'm not sure what that actually does i don't understand accessory i can see an

[2:59:40] Voice 8: an accessory building for unlawful dwelling that was and then it talks about residential use

[2:59:52] Voice 8: so I can see that I don't follow the accessory structures because structure is broader than

[3:00:00] Voice 8: buildings and broader than dwellings anything on the land because

[3:00:05] Voice 5: in the end we're going to look

[3:00:06] Voice 5: at residential views so we're not looking at whether or not it meets the definition

[3:00:11] Voice 5: in the bylaw as whether or

[3:00:14] Voice 5: not that is as well and then calling it unlawful we're looking does someone

[3:00:19] Voice 5: habitate in their day and night they're most likely cooking in there the whole bit they're

[3:00:24] Voice 5: using and it's not it's not the main dwelling on the property or the lawful dwelling in the

[3:00:30] Voice 5: lawful secondary suite with some other accessory structure that they're living in and they're not

[3:00:35] Voice 5: permitted to live in it's a non-permitted residential so

[3:00:38] Voice 8: your motion is really focusing

[3:00:40] Voice 8: on use not on the legality of the building itself right correct if it's a cottage

[3:00:45] Voice 8: under a five acre lot you're not looking at the fact that it's an unlawful dwelling you're just

[3:00:51] Voice 8: looking at the fact that it's a use yes all of

[3:00:54] Voice 5: this is about

[3:00:54] Voice 8: use to me we also should include

[3:00:58] Voice 8: I think the legality of the building itself because there are legal non-conforming buildings

[3:01:07] Voice 8: as well.

[3:01:10] Voice 8: But

[3:01:11] Voice 5: so if the property owner could have that, what is in the end, that unlawful dwelling

[3:01:16] Voice 5: that they've constructed, they could just use it as an accessory building for whatever

[3:01:21] Voice 5: reasons.

[3:01:21] Voice 5: Maybe it's just their studio.

[3:01:23] Voice 5: Maybe they never rented out and have anyone living in there.

[3:01:26] Voice 5: uh we would never enforce on that as an unlawful dwelling in this circumstance we may if someone

[3:01:35] Voice 5: complains about its existence in our system we put it possibly under density and look at it that way

[3:01:42] Voice 5: but in the end the advice that we've been working with from our legal counsel is that it has to be

[3:01:49] Voice 5: used it's all about

[3:01:50] Voice 5: use when it comes to this issue and these complaints about you know having

[3:01:56] Voice 5: mean too many people living on the property or occupying something that they shouldn't occupy

[3:02:04] Trustee Langereis: okay yeah because because it seems to me that the use is the issue because we're talking about

[3:02:09] Trustee Langereis: suspending enforcement because of the youth not necessarily that doesn't stop if a structure gets

[3:02:17] Trustee Langereis: built too close to the foreshore or somewhere else that's that's an accessory building that

[3:02:22] Trustee Langereis: be but but isn't being used and it may be illegal and this doesn't impact that this is about when we

[3:02:28] Trustee Langereis: don't enforce but i have two questions for you um why two years first of all and second of all

[3:02:36] Trustee Langereis: where would you put the words which you suggested we put in uh existing non-compliant wellings and

[3:02:42] Trustee Langereis: i i just couldn't quite figure out where that might it's not in your current i think that's

[3:02:48] Trustee Colbourne: into the motion that i have oh

[3:02:49] Trustee Langereis: okay so that's what it's referring to yeah

[3:02:52] Trustee Colbourne: salt spring added

[3:02:53] Trustee Colbourne: existing i think north bender did as well but

[3:02:55] Voice 5: he didn't but you didn't put

[3:02:56] Trustee Langereis: it in your suggested

[3:02:57] Voice 5: motion did you no because i in my suggested motion to recommend motions uh i would say do it for two

[3:03:03] Voice 5: years because that's a reasonable amount of time when actually the majority of the property owners

[3:03:08] Voice 5: get these issues resolved okay so my for the second part i would put existing in trustee

[3:03:15] Voice 5: Colburn's motion will be deferred for all existing non-compliance

[3:03:19] Trustee Langereis: okay but wouldn't you also want it

[3:03:22] Trustee Langereis: in in your suggested motion so we don't because you can still have the we can still have the

[3:03:27] Trustee Langereis: scenario where somebody all of a sudden a plethora of buildings get built that are non-compliant

[3:03:32] Trustee Langereis: non-permitted residential uses that um uh that get built all of a sudden and they also get two

[3:03:38] Trustee Langereis: two years before they get enforced on.

[3:03:41] Trustee Langereis: So, I mean, I think the, unless I'm wrong,

[3:03:45] Trustee Langereis: I think the harm we're trying to address here

[3:03:49] Trustee Langereis: is people who are in a residential use

[3:03:53] Trustee Langereis: that be given the housing shortage

[3:03:55] Trustee Langereis: and the challenge of getting housing

[3:03:58] Trustee Langereis: is we're trying to provide some flexibility

[3:04:02] Trustee Langereis: to allow them to continue and give some time.

[3:04:04] Trustee Langereis: So that's my, but it's not about people going and building new places and then taking advantage of the non-enforcement.

[3:04:14] Trustee Langereis: So I wonder about that. I don't know what other trustees think, but what about the two, why two years rather than four years or three

[3:04:22] Voice 5: years or something?

[3:04:24] Voice 5: It's just from my experience, that's a reasonable amount of time that people can get the issue resolved, that the people looking for housing can find new housing.

[3:04:33] Voice 5: and so it's a year seems to be tight for folks but if you give them two years it seems to be

[3:04:39] Voice 5: more than a reasonable amount of time it has the less amount the fewest number of issues for the

[3:04:45] Voice 5: i mean in the end we're talking about tenants it seems to be the natural cycle of how these

[3:04:51] Voice 5: files resolve themselves they can resolve themselves within two years and the theory

[3:04:56] Trustee Langereis: would be if they want to be a permanent use like it's something that's working

[3:05:00] Trustee Langereis: as we've heard from some people that there's a scenario

[3:05:03] Trustee Langereis: that's working and it's working fine,

[3:05:04] Trustee Langereis: we're comfortable and it's reasonable ways.

[3:05:07] Trustee Langereis: And then at that point you would expect them

[3:05:09] Trustee Langereis: to somehow get a rezoning or some other kind of-

[3:05:13] Trustee Langereis: Okay, one other, sorry, one other question I just have,

[3:05:17] Trustee Langereis: and then I'll come to you, Trustee Colbert.

[3:05:20] Trustee Langereis: Your clause around travel trailers,

[3:05:22] Trustee Langereis: our recreational vehicles would mean that if someone

[3:05:26] Trustee Langereis: was using a travel trailer or recreational vehicle

[3:05:30] Trustee Langereis: i'll call it a permanent residence um that would not be caught by this that there would still be

[3:05:37] Trustee Langereis: enforcement on that

[3:05:38] Voice 5: correct i believe that the current regulations work well right it's a very

[3:05:43] Voice 5: uh as far as straightforward easy path compliance you just get your building permit you get your

[3:05:49] Voice 5: septic installed and if they need to renew a building permit in two years they get two more

[3:05:54] Voice 5: years just they get time to build their house right i think the other islands don't have such

[3:06:00] Voice 5: specific regulations as gabriel that does about the use of travel trailers and i found that the

[3:06:06] Voice 5: regulations work well and the enforcement is straightforward with those regulations in place

[3:06:11] Trustee Langereis: okay so i was going to go to trustee colbert because he had he was i saw his question my

[3:06:17] Trustee Colbourne: question was actually going to be for the island planner or other staff around housing needs

[3:06:21] Trustee Colbourne: assessments and um uh the length of time for lub and ocp amendments so maybe i'll ask that

[3:06:28] Trustee Colbourne: question now um the next housing needs assessment of the previous one was previous term but is

[3:06:36] Trustee Colbourne: there is there a set date for one new housing needs assessments or there's not right best

[3:06:41] Trustee Colbourne: case it's like five every five years

[3:06:43] Trustee Colbourne: but we're gonna go beyond that already doesn't the province

[3:06:46] Voice 8: require 2018 so it'd be 2023 in the next one right

[3:06:51] Trustee Colbourne: but it's not mandated there's no mechanism that

[3:06:54] Trustee Colbourne: guarantees i can that could be another 10 years on top

[3:06:56] Trustee Langereis: of that what

[3:06:57] Trustee Colbourne: am i thinking of there's

[3:06:58] Trustee Langereis: something from the province that requires us to do something every five years every five years

[3:07:06] Voice 7: would uh theoretically be updated to reflect the housing projections and needs

[3:07:12] Voice 7: every five years but no

[3:07:14] Trustee Langereis: no there's there's something from the province that requires

[3:07:17] Trustee Langereis: every local government to do a housing needs assessment every five years i'm hearing some

[3:07:23] Trustee Langereis: nods around and that that's the provincial regulation i remember hearing about this

[3:07:28] Trustee Langereis: and i think that's what we have yeah that we have to enough that would be 22.

[3:07:34] Trustee Colbourne: yeah so

[3:07:37] Trustee Colbourne: So then my next, because we know those housing needs assessment don't line up with the reality

[3:07:43] Trustee Colbourne: of, and I'm happy we have this conversation because this is not abstract planning.

[3:07:48] Trustee Colbourne: This is actually what's happening on the island.

[3:07:50] Trustee Colbourne: Right.

[3:07:50] Trustee Colbourne: So this is important that we have these discussions and have those publicly discussed.

[3:07:54] Trustee Colbourne: How long does an OCP or LEA amendment process take?

[3:07:58] Trustee Colbourne: If we put forward the project definitions as they're currently in this, how long would

[3:08:02] Trustee Colbourne: it take to respond to those housing needs assessments?

[3:08:05] Trustee Colbourne: where we respond to their needs in terms of housing the

[3:08:08] Voice 7: targeted amendment yeah

[3:08:13] Voice 7: one thing that we tell applicants you know 18 months absolutely in the typical duration for

[3:08:20] Voice 7: those types of amendments to run through the process but the consultation piece is what

[3:08:23] Voice 7: uh can be 18 months on its own in order to inform changes that might be dramatically different than

[3:08:31] Voice 7: what's currently in place or contemplating very different outcomes yeah

[3:08:36] Trustee Langereis: i think i don't think

[3:08:37] Trustee Langereis: there's any doubt if you're talking about trying to solve this problem through an lup or ocp

[3:08:41] Trustee Langereis: amendment it's gonna it's gonna be a longer program if you're talking about a rezoning

[3:08:46] Trustee Langereis: those can occur on an ad hoc basis but perhaps but that's discretionary as to whether we're prepared

[3:08:52] Trustee Langereis: to grant that yeah right so i

[3:08:54] Trustee Colbourne: appreciate just a quick opportunity to speak to the motion that i

[3:08:57] Trustee Colbourne: before um but i want to make sure that everyone's asked questions

[3:09:00] Trustee Langereis: i think trustee elaborates

[3:09:02] Trustee Langereis: when you

[3:09:03] Voice 8: focus only on residential use you've got a situation where somebody's got a cottage

[3:09:09] Voice 8: on a lot under five acres if it's rented if it's rented out they get they could have the

[3:09:18] Voice 8: potential to be exempted credit if they don't rent it out they're going to be subject to

[3:09:23] Voice 8: enforcement so you're going to encourage the use of illegal unlawful dwellings potentially if you're

[3:09:30] Voice 8: just focusing on the use sorry

[3:09:33] Voice 3: say that again because i didn't follow that okay

[3:09:35] Voice 8: if you've got

[3:09:36] Voice 8: a cottage on a five acre two acre lot and this motion said if it's used for residentially you

[3:09:43] Voice 8: could potentially be exempted from enforcement so what happens when if the cottage is not being used

[3:09:50] Voice 8: as a residential use but it's still contrary to the bylaw because it's under five acres

[3:09:54] Voice 8: i

[3:09:55] Trustee Langereis: think that's what uh isn't that what you were talking about that the advice from your legal

[3:10:00] Trustee Langereis: counsel is that you can't enforce on those yes but you already have

[3:10:04] Voice 5: you changed the bottom one

[3:10:07] Voice 5: time the bylaw said uh they prohibited the bathrooms and the kitchens in these accessory

[3:10:13] Voice 5: buildings and then a couple years ago was amended and said okay you'll allow kitchens and bathrooms

[3:10:18] Voice 5: of accessory buildings.

[3:10:20] Voice 14: So

[3:10:20] Voice 5: essentially you create, anyone that's doing that

[3:10:23] Voice 5: is creating, when they build it,

[3:10:25] Voice 5: they're creating a potential unlawful dwelling.

[3:10:28] Voice 5: They're potentially exceeding their density by doing that.

[3:10:31] Voice 5: But it really comes down to use.

[3:10:35] Voice 5: As the bylaw, the definition states,

[3:10:39] Voice 5: used or intended to be used as a residence or a dwelling.

[3:10:43] Voice 5: So if they never, how do we enforce it?

[3:10:46] if it was never intended to be used or is being used as a residence then

[3:10:53] Voice 5: what's our case to a

[3:10:54] Voice 5: judge so

[3:10:55] Voice 8: what's to stop somebody then from building a cottage on a two acre lot and not

[3:11:01] Voice 8: venting it out

[3:11:02] Voice 5: there's no complaint none one

[3:11:06] Voice 8: when they can but they can build it basically

[3:11:07] Voice 5: they can build it now trustee so they can build it

[3:11:10] Voice 8: somebody complains but enforcement occur

[3:11:13] Voice 5: we can look

[3:11:14] Voice 5: at it and see how it's being used so

[3:11:17] Voice 8: even so you could so we're just saying that

[3:11:19] Voice 8: as long as you don't use it you can build a cottage on a two-acre lot correct

[3:11:24] Voice 5: you could

[3:11:25] Voice 5: build that building and there

[3:11:27] Voice 8: and this will have a kitchen and a bathroom yes

[3:11:31] Voice 5: well they already

[3:11:31] Voice 5: exist now because the bylaw was changed

[3:11:33] Voice 8: so

[3:11:35] Voice 5: that's an accessory building yes it's an accessory

[3:11:37] Voice 5: to rebuild it it's not supposed to be used as a cottage right it's not you know if they do it

[3:11:43] Voice 5: completely technically no it may not comply with the land use bylaw but first we have to have a

[3:11:49] Voice 5: complaint about it and people don't complain about i'm not aware of any other island where someone's

[3:11:56] Voice 5: complained about that building existing they often just use them as studios maybe sometimes the

[3:12:04] Voice 5: family kids sleep overnight but they're not using it as a residence they're not renting it out full

[3:12:10] Voice 5: time and if it is happening people don't care you can build this

[3:12:16] Voice 8: 60 000 so i don't

[3:12:17] Voice 8: want to interrupt

[3:12:18] Voice 5: it

[3:12:18] Voice 8: almost begs the question why i have the rule about allowing a lot of cottage on a lot five

[3:12:24] Voice 8: acres well i

[3:12:26] Voice 5: actually i did not agree with the amendment that was made to say let's allow

[3:12:30] Voice 5: allow kitchens and bathrooms and accessories.

[3:12:32] Voice 5: You

[3:12:33] Voice 7: pointed at me.

[3:12:37] Voice 7: Completed

[3:12:38] Voice 5: my state, it's not trying to

[3:12:40] Voice 5: single out anyone.

[3:12:42] Voice 5: And it's starting to win, but I just think when that amendment happened.

[3:12:47] Voice 5: It's not one that I actually personally agreed with,

[3:12:50] Voice 5: because that's essentially what you allow people to do.

[3:12:54] Voice 5: If they can put a kitchen in it and a bathroom, yeah, I guess you,

[3:12:58] Voice 5: you you and you have an area

[3:13:00] Voice 5: where you can throw a bed yeah it's another dwelling by definition

[3:13:04] Voice 5: but in order to enforce fully and justify enforcement and make our case it's like okay

[3:13:11] Voice 5: somebody actually to call it an unlawful dwelling or unlawful residential use someone's got to live

[3:13:16] Voice 5: in it so

[3:13:18] Voice 8: if i have a house then i put in a second kitchen in the bathroom that's

[3:13:23] Voice 5: easier to enforce

[3:13:24] Voice 5: you can only have one kitchen does

[3:13:27] Voice 8: it say one kitchen only yes one single set one

[3:13:30] Voice 8: so as long as the structure itself only has one kitchen you're okay irrespective of the way that's

[3:13:36] Voice 8: the principal dwelling or a shed per se that's the problem with the bylaw then

[3:13:45] Voice 8: and the definition i think the definition of

[3:13:48] Voice 5: so that part is actually easier to enforce

[3:13:50] Voice 5: your dwelling either has one kitchen or it doesn't and that was to for most of them to

[3:13:55] Voice 5: prevent secondary suites so

[3:13:58] Trustee Langereis: i'd like to go back to and make sure we focus on what this is the motion

[3:14:02] Trustee Langereis: potentially is doing which is to stop enforcement not about what we are going to enforce yeah all

[3:14:09] Trustee Langereis: right about i mean there may be other illegal uses that become enforceable at time from time to time

[3:14:14] Trustee Langereis: but this is about if it is being used by uh as a residential use then these are the circumstances

[3:14:21] Trustee Langereis: I wanted

[3:14:24] Trustee Colbourne: to speak to the original motion but I do feel like we've gone into like vacant

[3:14:28] Trustee Colbourne: homes taxes and that kind of thing that's not what we're talking we're actually talking about

[3:14:32] Trustee Colbourne: use that that's that's clear that you can build a 60,000 square foot house never use it and that's

[3:14:38] Trustee Colbourne: completely okay and that's the amount

[3:14:40] Voice 1: of resources and everything else to go into that I

[3:14:42] Trustee Colbourne: mean it's

[3:14:43] Trustee Colbourne: we're we're off topic but can I speak to the um to the original motion sure so I agree I agree

[3:14:50] Trustee Colbourne: is adding the word existing uh i think the other ltcs uh did that well there's been a great deal

[3:14:55] Trustee Colbourne: of misunderstanding around in perpetuity this is the language of housing agreements um and what

[3:15:01] Trustee Colbourne: this is saying is not this is not going to be deferred for people's duty this is until

[3:15:05] Trustee Colbourne: we're meeting those housing needs that have been there's data to show what they are and that we're

[3:15:11] Trustee Colbourne: doing it in a way that's captured in housing agreements that do not allow that use to turn

[3:15:17] Trustee Colbourne: into stratas and and and private ownership and everything else that guarantees the housing

[3:15:23] Trustee Colbourne: options not just rental but also affordable home ownership for multiple generations so the language

[3:15:29] Voice 1: is not

[3:15:30] Trustee Colbourne: to defer forever it's until your uses and options meet the needs that have been expressed in

[3:15:35] Trustee Colbourne: in the data right so i i but i really appreciate the work that you've done to look at the specific

[3:15:41] Trustee Colbourne: OCP here and to make this more responsive to that. If I were pushing forward this motion,

[3:15:49] Trustee Colbourne: I would add existing and I would probably deal with those things in the ACP and the HAPC

[3:15:53] Trustee Colbourne: before. At this stage, I find myself wanting to put forward the standing resolution as you

[3:15:59] Trustee Colbourne: presented it based on your experience and where you're coming from. I would like it to go to the

[3:16:04] Trustee Colbourne: the APC and HAPC, because, and then to look at the concept of enforcement deferment. So not just

[3:16:16] Trustee Colbourne: the language and the wording, but also the concept. I think these are important conversations

[3:16:20] Trustee Colbourne: to have. I recognize that during an election campaign as a former campaign manager, it's not

[3:16:24] Trustee Colbourne: a great time for rational conversations, but I think this is the time to finish the work that

[3:16:31] Trustee Colbourne: we've done recognizing that as one former trustee put it this is a band-aid but we haven't been able

[3:16:36] Trustee Colbourne: to deal with the primary ones so we need to do something about that and then let the process

[3:16:41] Trustee Colbourne: of adapting updating upgrading the ocp and ldbs to respond to the needs of protecting the

[3:16:49] Trustee Colbourne: environment in a way that recognizes the huge stresses and pressures that are being placed on

[3:16:55] Trustee Colbourne: this community so there's my speech i put forward this motion but my preference would be again

[3:17:02] Trustee Colbourne: to have more public engagement to go to the APC and HAPC working on these issues for four years

[3:17:07] Trustee Colbourne: to get their feedback and then to have perhaps a special electronic meeting on October 27th

[3:17:11] Trustee Colbourne: to deal with the outstanding issues. What I

[3:17:17] Voice 8: was going to propose is a motion to amend your draft

[3:17:22] Voice 8: working and it was to add the word case oh sorry thank you and add two other clauses at the end

[3:17:32] Voice 8: and i'll read them out to you and i'll send them to you uh that at the end of section seven the

[3:17:40] Voice 8: last section i think it's used the words it uses seven rather than g or h what i saw on

[3:17:48] Voice 8: in our minutes sorry on our agenda first numbers rather than alpha yeah

[3:17:54] Trustee Langereis: it was i i i i i it's all

[3:17:57] Voice 8: different it's different after the last one to add the word and and then add two new clauses

[3:18:04] Voice 8: that this and this that the gabriel island local trust committee request staff hold a

[3:18:09] Voice 8: community information meeting to receive public feedback on the proposed standing resolution

[3:18:14] Voice 8: with regard to a degree of support for such a motion b the circumstances that should be

[3:18:21] Voice 8: considered for deferral of enforcement and see any changes to the proposed wording of the standing

[3:18:26] Voice 8: resolution and that the standing resolution continues in effect until a

[3:18:32] Voice 8: the results of the community information are evaluated and a decision made by the

[3:18:37] Voice 8: LTC on the resolution or be June 30th 2023 so it's passing it giving us six

[3:18:44] Voice 8: months until June 30th is the time to do some community consultation get

[3:18:49] Voice 8: feedback from the community on what we're trying to do the wording and the

[3:18:54] Voice 8: concept that's so that was for me considering that i don't know how you feel about that but

[3:19:01] Voice 8: it would provide a timeline and further public input because we talked about community i was

[3:19:07] Voice 8: going to take it out to the community i actually i had some issues i lost the work time but

[3:19:13] Voice 8: when i got into it it wasn't as simple as it appeared in the motion i had i went back and

[3:19:20] Voice 8: force on what it actually did and intended to do and i don't we never really talked about in the

[3:19:26] Voice 8: past about what what it was trying to do in terms of what was going to be deferred and what would

[3:19:31] Voice 8: not be deferred so so

[3:19:33] Trustee Langereis: so if i can just paraphrase what you just said as i understand it because

[3:19:37] Trustee Langereis: is is what you said was you want to add the word existing into the into the into the scott's

[3:19:44] Trustee Langereis: proposed rwm that it would then become effective with the with the exception that there would be

[3:19:52] Trustee Langereis: two clauses that would effectively take it out to community information meeting uh uh sometime over

[3:19:59] Trustee Langereis: the next six to seven months and and would be for community and so that it would be there until that

[3:20:06] Trustee Langereis: process had concluded and the new ltc decided what to do with it uh or not based on the community

[3:20:11] Trustee Langereis: consultation okay so but thought that it would be in place until what

[3:20:16] Trustee Colbourne: do you

[3:20:21] Trustee Colbourne: think about the wording that's been provided by the

[3:20:24] Voice 8: it's setting a two-year

[3:20:26] Voice 8: time limit for each complaint so if you get a complaint in January it's good for

[3:20:30] Voice 8: two years that deferral in June if you get another complaint it's a two-year

[3:20:35] Voice 8: deferral from them it's not a two-year window because it says um the wording says where is it

[3:20:42] Voice 8: now um it says so for a maximum of two years after the receipt of a written complaint

[3:20:56] Voice 8: so that means you get a written complaint the two-year time limit starts for that

[3:21:02] Voice 8: complaint right so the next uh complaint six months down the road when it comes in there's

[3:21:09] Voice 8: a two-year time frame for that and i think that's what you were talking about giving time

[3:21:13] Voice 8: actually

[3:21:14] Voice 5: a good point christy is that they should say the opening of a file we get a written

[3:21:20] Voice 5: complaint we open a file and i'm talking two years from the time the file yeah so not give

[3:21:25] Voice 5: them another two years each time a written complaint comes in

[3:21:28] Voice 8: no no no no they can have

[3:21:30] Voice 8: have

[3:21:30] Voice 5: six complaints within six months we're still going to get two years from the date the file

[3:21:35] Voice 5: as a maximum not

[3:21:38] Voice 8: two years as of the last complaint so you're you're trying to address

[3:21:43] Voice 8: the issue of trying to resolve the issue on a case-by-case basis as opposed to this resolution

[3:21:49] Voice 8: having a sunset clause there's no sunset clause no

[3:21:54] Voice 5: it wouldn't be there would be no right now

[3:21:58] Voice 5: no deadline for the end of this resolution if you have a policy here that says that we open the

[3:22:04] Voice 5: files and we'll give a few years to comply that was the intention of this motion it wasn't to

[3:22:10] Voice 5: establish an actual deadline for when it needed to be rescinded because the the ltc can rescind

[3:22:16] Voice 5: it at any time each new ldc could decide could rescind it and adopt a new one so that was just

[3:22:23] Voice 5: here's the direction to staff give them a maximum of two years as a time to comply

[3:22:30] Trustee Langereis: and that's why that's why the standing resolutions are on our agenda every single time

[3:22:36] Trustee Langereis: and every single time i ask is there anybody want to take any action on the standing resolutions

[3:22:40] Trustee Langereis: because we can rescind or amend or add up to the standing resolutions every single meeting that we

[3:22:45] Trustee Langereis: have and and if somebody says this isn't working anymore uh then you you change it anyway okay so

[3:22:52] Trustee Langereis: i think the question from now you've heard the explanation from the the manager uh of

[3:22:59] Trustee Langereis: enforcement services where you basically said you know that we're trying to give each case two years

[3:23:05] Trustee Langereis: time um and not two years from every time a complaint is filed because you see i'm thinking

[3:23:11] Voice 8: in terms of this it's linked to some sort of activity at the trust to try to resolve the issue

[3:23:16] Voice 8: No,

[3:23:17] Trustee Langereis: this is not case by case.

[3:23:19] Voice 8: This is really just a temporary advance for every complaint.

[3:23:25] Voice 8: Correct.

[3:23:25] Trustee Langereis: It's a different

[3:23:26] Voice 8: concept than what's happening on Salt Spring.

[3:23:31] Trustee Langereis: No, I think that is the concept on Salt Spring.

[3:23:33] Trustee Langereis: They may have another project to deal with it.

[3:23:35] Trustee Langereis: But the concept, as I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong,

[3:23:39] Trustee Langereis: is that the concept on Salt Spring is to sort of suspend enforcement

[3:23:44] Trustee Langereis: enforcement on illegal dwellings in these circumstances

[3:23:46] Trustee Langereis: on a case-by-case basis.

[3:23:48] Trustee Langereis: Correct.

[3:23:49] Trustee Langereis: Right.

[3:23:49] Trustee Langereis: And there's no deadline.

[3:23:50] Voice 5: They haven't set a deadline

[3:23:51] Voice 5: as to when that resolution

[3:23:53] Voice 5: will end,

[3:23:54] Voice 5: but they can rescind it at any time.

[3:23:57] Voice 5: It could be amended at any time as they did amend it.

[3:23:59] Voice 5: And again, yes, it's just by case-by-case basis,

[3:24:02] Voice 5: unless basically, unless there's serious problems

[3:24:05] Voice 5: with health and safety,

[3:24:06] Voice 5: the use is going to be allowed to continue.

[3:24:09] Voice 13: Mr. Chair, if I may, I don't know if there's a motion.

[3:24:12] Voice 13: no

[3:24:12] Trustee Langereis: you're not a member of this no but there's a motion

[3:24:15] Voice 13: on the floor there isn't a motion on

[3:24:18] Voice 8: the floor no no no there's no motion on the floor yeah so

[3:24:21] Voice 8: sorry thank you i've

[3:24:23] Voice 13: heard him saying two

[3:24:24] Voice 13: two emotions

[3:24:26] Trustee Langereis: on the floor until it's been moved and seconded so thank you i heard you spell it

[3:24:32] Trustee Langereis: out but we have we're no

[3:24:33] Voice 8: we're trying to get an explanation yeah i was talking about the con what

[3:24:37] Voice 8: i was thinking of doing right forward and given there's some interest in this what my sense maybe

[3:24:45] Voice 8: then is when i i could amend that concept and say look forward your motion make the amendment

[3:24:53] Voice 8: to existing and the timeline and then add in the referral of this motion this other motion to the

[3:25:00] Voice 8: apca

[3:25:01] Voice 14: so it's basically

[3:25:03] Voice 8: combining the the two concepts

[3:25:05] Voice 8: to the community to say look

[3:25:07] Voice 8: here's two different approaches

[3:25:11] Trustee Colbourne: there are two different approaches but it's just how they're worded and how they're adapted to the

[3:25:15] Trustee Colbourne: different ocps and realities i it's the concept that i think it would be great to get acp and

[3:25:20] Trustee Colbourne: community um involvement on the concept and then the actual wording here i'm more comfortable with

[3:25:26] Trustee Colbourne: this wording which

[3:25:27] Voice 3: which what are you

[3:25:27] Voice 3: pointing at that

[3:25:28] Trustee Colbourne: uh that director digman has put forward

[3:25:31] Trustee Colbourne: then i am with the motion that was adapted from a different ocp um if i had the background i would

[3:25:36] Trustee Colbourne: have you know done this sort of thing so i'm really i'm really uh happy for this i i'm just

[3:25:41] Trustee Colbourne: to speak you haven't put forward as a motion yes i think we should start doing that because of the

[3:25:45] Trustee Colbourne: time but um the idea of a community information meeting having an outcome is is not how it works

[3:25:53] Trustee Colbourne: in my head it's not like you go and you have 14 people come out and seven of them say yes and six

[3:25:58] Trustee Colbourne: of them say no and one has no idea what's going on and then that dictates the actions that you

[3:26:02] Trustee Colbourne: take no it's information it's

[3:26:04] Voice 1: information so the way

[3:26:05] Trustee Colbourne: that that was worded sounded like it's kind

[3:26:06] Trustee Colbourne: of like like we're going to have the community information meeting whatever the community says

[3:26:09] Trustee Colbourne: that's just not how decisions are made so i'm a little uncomfortable with the with the process

[3:26:13] Trustee Colbourne: that you're following i want to complete this work because we haven't completed a lot of other work

[3:26:19] Trustee Colbourne: when it comes to housing options um i want to put the band-aid um but i'm not going to push forward

[3:26:26] Trustee Colbourne: with the with the wording that that um that i adapted from south spring i'm

[3:26:29] Trustee Colbourne: more happy with

[3:26:30] Trustee Colbourne: this and i'd love to get some community response into it and then to finish it this term and then

[3:26:34] Trustee Colbourne: to hand on to the next term the the rest of the job i i find the idea of saying something's going

[3:26:40] Trustee Colbourne: to happen in june for the next term i just think that's unfair i think that's uh legislative so

[3:26:46] Voice 8: So are you suggesting then that this motion be referred to the APC and HAPC for feedback?

[3:26:54] Voice 8: The

[3:26:55] Trustee Langereis: suggested language from Manager Damon.

[3:26:58] Trustee Langereis: Yeah.

[3:26:58] Trustee Colbourne: And the

[3:26:59] Trustee Colbourne: concept, because this is some of the feedback that we received, you know, in the last 24 hours, that the concept of bylaw deferment be discussed by the APC and HAPC.

[3:27:09] Trustee Colbourne: So we're not bringing, putting it into effect.

[3:27:11] Trustee Colbourne: We're just going to refer it like we did last month.

[3:27:13] Voice 8: But

[3:27:13] Trustee Colbourne: I would like to have a meeting, even if it's a special electronic meeting, on October 27th, to potentially put this into effect.

[3:27:24] Trustee Colbourne: Once we've gone through the process of having it.

[3:27:25] Trustee Colbourne: And there's other items in this agenda that I think the HAPC and APC should have this and this term have a say in before we make this decision.

[3:27:32] Voice 8: So

[3:27:33] Trustee Colbourne: refer that to them within

[3:27:35] Voice 8: the next, it's October the 20th.

[3:27:37] Voice 8: 27th.

[3:27:38] Voice 8: 27th.

[3:27:39] Voice 8: So that would be basically in the next half hour.

[3:27:43] Voice 8: It's four weeks from today.

[3:27:44] Voice 8: and what i would if you want to do that we need to be careful how we make word or motion because

[3:27:50] Voice 8: what happened at ajpc and abc was they read it very literally well that's

[3:27:55] Trustee Langereis: why he said and the

[3:27:56] Trustee Langereis: concept concept

[3:27:57] Voice 8: concept we need to get from i love it and

[3:27:59] Trustee Langereis: we received i don't know whether it's worn

[3:28:02] Trustee Langereis: or not because i think they discussed the concept but we received some criticism that they were

[3:28:06] Trustee Langereis: simply looking at the language rather than the concept and so yes and i think that's what trustee

[3:28:12] Trustee Langereis: Colbert's trying to correct so effectively his motion would be as I understand it I'm not going

[3:28:18] Trustee Langereis: he can make his own motion

[3:28:19] Trustee Colbourne: why don't I make okay so I moved that the Gabriel Island Local Trust

[3:28:23] Trustee Colbourne: Committee adopt this following standing resolution bylaw staff will defer enforcement on accessory

[3:28:28] Trustee Colbourne: structures used for non-permitted residential uses for a maximum of two years after the open

[3:28:33] Trustee Colbourne: opening of a file except in the following circumstances

[3:28:39] Trustee Colbourne: One, there are concerns regarding health and safety, two, there are concerns that sewage

[3:28:45] Trustee Colbourne: is not being stored in an approved septic or sewage disposal system, or that septic

[3:28:49] Trustee Colbourne: or sewage disposal systems are being used in excess of capacity or ability as a result

[3:28:54] Trustee Colbourne: of unlawful dwellings, three, there are concerns of possible contamination of wells or other

[3:28:59] Trustee Colbourne: drinking water sources, four, non-permitted residential uses are in environmental sensitive

[3:29:05] Trustee Colbourne: sensitive areas.

[3:29:07] Trustee Colbourne: Five, there are travel trailers

[3:29:08] Trustee Colbourne: or recreational vehicles used as a residence

[3:29:10] Trustee Colbourne: contrary to section B6.4 of the Land Use By-law.

[3:29:15] Trustee Colbourne: Six, that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[3:29:18] Trustee Colbourne: may give direction to resume enforcement on activities

[3:29:20] Trustee Colbourne: on any property that poses risk to the health and safety

[3:29:22] Trustee Colbourne: of the neighboring residents or the residents

[3:29:25] Trustee Colbourne: on the property subject to enforcement.

[3:29:27] Trustee Colbourne: And B, nothing in this enforcement policy

[3:29:29] Trustee Colbourne: should be interpreted as giving permission

[3:29:31] Trustee Colbourne: to violate the Land Use By-law

[3:29:32] Trustee Colbourne: and the Gabriel Island Trust Committee may change this policy at any time and they give

[3:29:37] Trustee Colbourne: direction to expanding enforcement activities at any time. I also move that this wording and

[3:29:46] Trustee Colbourne: the concept of bylaw deferment be referred to the Advisory Planning Commission and the Housing

[3:29:51] Trustee Colbourne: Advisory Planning Commission for review. Good

[3:29:57] Voice 8: question for a bit second. So you're

[3:29:59] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:30:00] Voice 8: putting this into effect and now no you said that

[3:30:03] Voice 9: yeah

[3:30:04] Voice 8: that's

[3:30:06] Trustee Langereis: what i was confused about

[3:30:07] Trustee Langereis: is that you put that motion to adopt this on the on the table why wouldn't we just move

[3:30:12] Trustee Langereis: that we refer the language proposed by uh director by law enforcement the hapc for consideration

[3:30:20] Trustee Langereis: of the concept and the wording proposed and then this whole report would go to them yeah

[3:30:27] Trustee Langereis: you

[3:30:28] Trustee Colbourne: could have said that two minutes ago well i

[3:30:30] Trustee Langereis: was trying to but i figured you were doing i

[3:30:32] Trustee Langereis: didn't want to interrupt you when you started yeah

[3:30:34] Voice 12: i know okay

[3:30:35] Trustee Langereis: okay um chair

[3:30:37] Voice 12: can you repeat

[3:30:37] Voice 12: that refer the language proposed by the bylaw enforcement manager

[3:30:42] Voice 3: manager man appreciated

[3:30:44] Voice 3: promotion director i didn't know i haven't called him he's going to direct yeah

[3:30:52] Trustee Langereis: i guess anyway

[3:30:53] Trustee Langereis: Anyway, Manager of By-law Enforcement, in his report of September 29, 2022, to the HAPC and HAPC for comment on the concept of by-law enforcement deferral and on the language proposed.

[3:31:21] Trustee Langereis: Something like that.

[3:31:23] Trustee Langereis: and

[3:31:23] Trustee Colbourne: here we get to whether or not we have a meeting on october 27th yeah no

[3:31:26] Trustee Langereis: i know that's

[3:31:26] Trustee Langereis: coming next because i would

[3:31:28] Trustee Langereis: like this i

[3:31:29] Trustee Colbourne: would like an opportunity

[3:31:30] Trustee Langereis: i was going to say here's

[3:31:32] Trustee Langereis: what's coming next we're gonna have we're having a meeting

[3:31:35] Voice 8: it's somewhat limited it's just to the

[3:31:39] Voice 8: to the community as a whole correct

[3:31:43] Trustee Langereis: so i think let me clear i think the agenda or the i don't

[3:31:48] Trustee Langereis: i don't want to call it the agenda because i don't want that to be a pejorative it's not a

[3:31:52] Trustee Langereis: pejorative thing but the intention of the trustee colbert is after he gets the receipt back from the

[3:31:58] Trustee Langereis: hapc and the apc he'd like to have another meeting before the end of the term and he'd like gets this

[3:32:04] Trustee Langereis: or something else like it adopted before we're done that's what he wants to do it's very clear

[3:32:10] Trustee Langereis: and

[3:32:10] Trustee Colbourne: we can hold a community information meeting at that special meeting i mean it's just more time

[3:32:15] Trustee Colbourne: and staff right

[3:32:30] Voice 14: why staffing

[3:32:31] Voice 7: resources sure

[3:32:34] Voice 14: that's

[3:32:37] Voice 7: the advice i got this morning so um

[3:32:40] Voice 14: if you

[3:32:42] Voice 7: would like to proceed with a with a meeting on october 27

[3:32:46] Voice 7: seven that it would have to be fully electronic well

[3:32:50] Voice 8: before or

[3:32:51] Voice 7: out of town october 27th is the

[3:32:53] Voice 7: date that was previously scheduled for your business meeting yeah that it would need to

[3:32:57] Voice 7: be fully electronic if you decide

[3:33:01] Voice 7: to proceed as

[3:33:03] Voice 14: opposed to in person correct and why is that

[3:33:07] Voice 7: i

[3:33:07] Trustee Langereis: i'm sorry even i'm confused and i should know these things there's no difference

[3:33:20] Trustee Langereis: um you're either sitting in your office behind a computer or you and the staff or you're sitting

[3:33:25] Trustee Langereis: in this hall so i'm not sure what the difference in staffing resources is so that that's a confusing

[3:33:30] Trustee Langereis: message to me and i appreciate it's not your message this is what you've been told but i

[3:33:35] Trustee Langereis: don't know what the i don't understand the message so

[3:33:39] Voice 8: a community information meeting

[3:33:40] Voice 8: no no no

[3:33:42] Trustee Langereis: we're not talking about community information meeting that's a completely

[3:33:44] Trustee Langereis: because you have those requirements to give notice and publish and publish i think we're

[3:33:49] Trustee Langereis: just talking about that you could have a town hall where people like these in today can speak

[3:33:54] Trustee Langereis: to the promotion um you could certainly you can turn any town hall into a a discussion i want to

[3:34:05] Trustee Langereis: be clear that's the that's the intent of the motion the motion is intended to go out and get

[3:34:10] Trustee Langereis: the the the uh feedback on this particular report from the hapc and the apc but then the intent is

[3:34:21] Trustee Langereis: further to have them scheduled meeting uh which is in our agenda on our website the 27th of october

[3:34:29] Trustee Langereis: we're still the trustees for three more weeks after that um or two more weeks i guess no three

[3:34:37] Trustee Langereis: more weeks um and and and to consider adoption of this or something like it i'm paraphrasing but

[3:34:46] Trustee Colbourne: that's i

[3:34:46] Trustee Colbourne: think what you said and that's all because this other meetings would push back

[3:34:49] Trustee Colbourne: that's a long term you know to not to not have a meeting as well so there's going to be some work

[3:34:55] Trustee Colbourne: that needs to be advanced so and i but i i understand you've been told that but it's our

[3:35:00] Trustee Colbourne: job to set the form of the meeting right we can say it's an in-person meeting i

[3:35:05] Trustee Langereis: am i'm as surprised

[3:35:07] Trustee Langereis: as you are to hear that that's the message that's coming i i knew the message from senior management

[3:35:12] Trustee Langereis: was to discourage local trust committee meetings that it's considered somehow to be bad practice

[3:35:20] Trustee Langereis: i'm not sure i understand that no one's told me a reason for that but i didn't know that there

[3:35:25] Trustee Langereis: were staff resources issues that were in play related to these meetings that was the first

[3:35:29] Trustee Langereis: i'd heard about so i'd have to find out what that what the rationale for that is you're paying me

[3:35:36] Trustee Langereis: you might as well make me do work well that's true we're all getting paid until the 17th of

[3:35:42] Trustee Langereis: november

[3:35:42] Voice 14: um

[3:35:43] Trustee Langereis: okay so okay the first let's talk about the meeting specifically when we get to that

[3:35:52] Trustee Langereis: um and whether what kind of form we wanted to take but the first question is the motion

[3:35:59] Trustee Langereis: you want to read it back to me uh

[3:36:02] Voice 12: gabrielle trust committee uh request staff to refer

[3:36:08] Voice 12: the language proposed in the by-law enforcement manager

[3:36:12] Voice 17: in

[3:36:14] Voice 12: his report of September 29th to

[3:36:17] Voice 12: the AJPC and APC for comment on the

[3:36:22] Voice 16: concept of by-law enforcement deferral and on the language

[3:36:26] Voice 16: proposed that

[3:36:30] Trustee Colbourne: was your motion yeah and I would and then I would add and to have a staff report

[3:36:35] Trustee Colbourne: were available for October 27th for an in-person meeting just to well let's make

[3:36:41] Trustee Langereis: that as a can we

[3:36:42] Trustee Langereis: make that a separate yeah yeah

[3:36:44] Trustee Langereis: let's see if we can get

[3:36:45] Trustee Colbourne: to all second on motion as well

[3:36:48] Trustee Langereis: I didn't

[3:36:49] Trustee Langereis: think I think you made it but it doesn't matter I'll second it it's moved and seconded I'd like

[3:36:55] Trustee Langereis: to hear what Trustee Langer thinks about the motion so

[3:36:58] Voice 8: what we're proposing is to so far all

[3:37:02] Voice 8: we are all this until uh october the 27th well

[3:37:05] Trustee Langereis: we haven't deferred anything what we've done is

[3:37:08] Trustee Langereis: referred the proposal is to refer this report to the ap apc and apc and ask for a comment

[3:37:16] Trustee Langereis: and on the concept and the language yeah yeah

[3:37:20] Voice 8: no no that's that's fair um and then the whole

[3:37:23] Voice 8: question of any any uh further consultation or whatever would be something would be done

[3:37:30] Voice 8: okay so

[3:37:32] Trustee Langereis: that's so i think i'm again paraphrasing trustee colburn's eyes i understood what he was

[3:37:39] Trustee Langereis: saying is the whole idea of giving direction of the community information meeting or some

[3:37:43] Trustee Langereis: sort of community meeting around this would occur would be the decision of the next lpc

[3:37:48] Trustee Langereis: they would decide what their process they wanted to use it in terms of this if we adopted the

[3:37:53] Trustee Langereis: standing resolution before the end of this term yeah

[3:37:55] Voice 14: so

[3:37:57] Trustee Langereis: if there's no other discussion on the

[3:37:59] Trustee Langereis: motion can i call the vote are you ready to call to vote uh trustee line grace yeah okay so i'll

[3:38:05] Trustee Langereis: call them all in favor i'm abstaining okay so we have an extension but i have concerns okay

[3:38:12] Trustee Langereis: so that's fine so um okay we've got at least one step forward um can we you said i'm a little

[3:38:23] Trustee Langereis: concerned about the culver you said there are other issues that you think may need to go to

[3:38:28] Trustee Langereis: to be we may need

[3:38:30] Trustee Colbourne: to deal with now that we've called the apc apc into action i would like to

[3:38:36] Trustee Colbourne: put the uh projects that are going under the comprehensive ocp and lub review i would like

[3:38:43] Trustee Colbourne: to send that staff report to them as well the hapc um obviously dealt with these issues as did

[3:38:51] Trustee Colbourne: the apc for the four years okay you're talking about 10.1 now 21 yeah okay

[3:38:58] Trustee Langereis: so that's part of

[3:39:00] Trustee Langereis: the referral okay so let's i hear you you clearly want to move that we have at least some form of a

[3:39:09] Trustee Langereis: meeting on october the 27th let's deal with that we'll get to 13.3 we know your position related

[3:39:15] Trustee Langereis: to that but we have a bunch of other stuff to do uh including those things so let's is there

[3:39:21] Trustee Langereis: anything else on eight five or eight six no just thank you to staff for the yes thanks very much

[3:39:28] Trustee Langereis: yes is

[3:39:29] Voice 7: there a question of clarification the reports that you mentioned that you would like

[3:39:32] Voice 7: back for the october 27th meeting if you do decide to do that is that from the violent enforcement

[3:39:38] Voice 7: branch or is that a planning analysis of the habc apc well

[3:39:43] Trustee Langereis: we actually haven't asked we haven't

[3:39:45] Trustee Langereis: not actually made a motion for the report yet um because i told trustee colburn to stop and because

[3:39:52] Trustee Langereis: he was starting to ask for a staff report for the october 27th meeting i i what i was going to say

[3:39:59] Trustee Langereis: was do we really need anything more than the than the than the minutes from the meeting no that's

[3:40:04] Voice 7: good that's what we wanted to yeah sorry

[3:40:06] Trustee Colbourne: that was mine when i say staff report that's kind of like

[3:40:08] Trustee Colbourne: the way that's presented here the minutes were excellent yeah and

[3:40:12] Trustee Langereis: uh they were very thorough

[3:40:14] Trustee Langereis: and I knew what they were thinking essentially okay okay we may come back to this I'd like to

[3:40:22] Trustee Langereis: move on to 9.1 if I possibly can uh wait we have two applications here are either of the applicants

[3:40:28] Trustee Langereis: sorry is anybody here on behalf of the her warden group not seeing anyone um so I'm at page uh

[3:40:39] Trustee Langereis: uh 53 of the of the um of the package and this is you hi nice to see you and i'm not even gonna see

[3:40:55] Trustee Langereis: i i completely butch everybody's last name so we'll just call you margo

[3:41:02] Voice 12: i just wonder

[3:41:08] Trustee Langereis: why nobody nobody in this office is called

[3:41:11] Trustee Langereis: is to have the last name of Joan.

[3:41:14] Voice 7: That's okay, Chair Roach.

[3:41:15] Trustee Langereis: Yeah, exactly.

[3:41:18] Trustee Langereis: It's okay.

[3:41:19] Trustee Langereis: I acknowledge my failings as a chair.

[3:41:25] Trustee Langereis: Anyway, go ahead.

[3:41:27] Trustee Langereis: Take us through this report.

[3:41:28] Trustee Langereis: Thanks very much.

[3:41:29] Trustee Langereis: There's nobody here.

[3:41:33] Voice 7: Good afternoon, everyone.

[3:41:34] Voice 7: I'm Margaret Phil Midas.

[3:41:35] Voice 7: Thank you.

[3:41:36] Voice 7: That's

[3:41:36] Voice 3: what I would have said,

[3:41:37] Voice 3: by the way.

[3:41:44] Voice 7: and

[3:41:45] Trustee Langereis: i'm going to have to ask you your voice if you can your voice come up a little bit

[3:41:49] Trustee Langereis: the microphone in here right okay um

[3:41:53] Voice 7: this dvp application is to consider a variance

[3:41:56] Voice 7: to the requirement for any structure or building to be cited a minimum of 15 meters from and 1.5

[3:42:03] Voice 7: meters above the natural boundary of any lake streaming wetlands the dvp would permit the

[3:42:09] Voice 7: existing structures and buildings including greenhouse studio garden shed three bridges

[3:42:15] Voice 7: and various concrete structures to remain sighted less than 15 meters from the end of the elevation

[3:42:21] Voice 7: of less than one five one point five meters above good hugh creek so more information is requested

[3:42:28] Voice 7: prior to recommending approval or denial of this application okay so is

[3:42:36] Trustee Langereis: that i'm

[3:42:37] Voice 3: happy if you stop

[3:42:38] Voice 3: up there i've

[3:42:39] Voice 14: read the report do either of you have

[3:42:40] Trustee Langereis: questions or yeah do

[3:42:42] Trustee Langereis: either of you have

[3:42:42] Trustee Langereis: questions on the planner we dealt with this on our first meeting yeah uh i don't know if it was

[3:42:47] Trustee Langereis: our first but earlier it's been

[3:42:49] Voice 7: a long time and

[3:42:53] Trustee Langereis: effectively what i saw this is that we're putting

[3:42:56] Trustee Langereis: a deadline because i think we've already asked for this stuff before

[3:43:01] Trustee Colbourne: right okay so um i'll just

[3:43:04] Trustee Colbourne: make the motion if that's okay uh that the gabriel island local trust committee has determined it is

[3:43:08] Trustee Colbourne: reasonably necessary that the applicant of gb dvp 2016.3 packham and van herrwarden provide the

[3:43:17] Trustee Colbourne: following to planning staff prior to december 31st 2022 in order for the application to be considered

[3:43:22] Trustee Colbourne: by the local trust committee a a complete site plan showing setbacks for all existing and proposed

[3:43:26] Trustee Colbourne: buildings structures and septic fields to water courses and b conditions and impact assessment

[3:43:31] Trustee Colbourne: post development prepared by a qualified environmental professional assessing the

[3:43:35] Trustee Colbourne: condition of the riparian area on the lot and the impact of buildings and structures constructed

[3:43:39] Trustee Colbourne: within 15 minutes 15 meters of the water is there a second here

[3:43:43] Trustee Langereis: does anybody wish to speak to the

[3:43:45] Trustee Langereis: motion no

[3:43:46] Voice 8: i think it's been a long time coming and i think that they would be requested as reasonable

[3:43:53] Trustee Langereis: okay then i'll just call the vote on the motion all in favor thank you very much

[3:43:57] Trustee Langereis: thanks for coming over margo that it was a good report it helped me it got us to the place where

[3:44:03] Trustee Langereis: we need to be and uh hopefully we'll find a way forward for those people uh the next application

[3:44:09] Trustee Langereis: is a little i think a little more complicated which is the 9.2 maybe i'm wrong uh 20

[3:44:15] Voice 7: yes

[3:44:18] Trustee Langereis: oh sure sorry uh sure let's uh break we'll just just gonna close down for a minute

[3:44:25] Trustee Langereis: and i see you thank you um miss maloney i see you there and uh we're just gonna break for comfort

[3:44:31] Voice 14: her break for two minutes very fast and

[3:50:49] Trustee Langereis: she's going to introduce this this this report we'll

[3:50:55] Trustee Langereis: hear from her uh and her report we'll have questions from the trustees to report then

[3:51:02] Trustee Langereis: i'll ask you miss maloney if you have any comments on the staff report and we'll then

[3:51:07] Trustee Langereis: have a discussion about how to proceed so over to you thank

[3:51:11] Voice 7: you okay so this is a brand new

[3:51:16] Voice 7: application to amend your official community plan and

[3:51:20] Voice 7: diabetes bylaw in order to permit additional commercial

[3:51:24] Voice 7: residential development on what is currently referred to as the

[3:51:29] Voice 7: Wild Rose Garden Center at 750 10th and Alley on Gabriel

[3:51:34] Voice 7: Island. And the agent for the applicant is Patricia Maloney,

[3:51:37] Voice 7: so she's standing by to answer any additional questions. Staff

[3:51:42] Voice 7: report is a preliminary staff report. So this is the first

[3:51:45] Voice 7: one and so therefore it is quite comprehensive and that it provides you a thorough analysis

[3:51:51] Voice 7: of how this application contains and relates to your whole CP policies and how it could play out

[3:52:00] Voice 7: in terms of the types of amendments that would need to be characterized in the draft bylaw for

[3:52:04] Voice 7: the land use bylaw. So I won't go into all the details that are contained in the staff report

[3:52:10] Voice 7: report but I will go straight to the analysis sorry some of these pages are flipped around in

[3:52:18] Voice 7: the electronic agenda

[3:52:19] Voice 14: here okay so

[3:52:28] Voice 7: the key considerations uh for you today are that the

[3:52:33] Voice 7: applicant in terms of the scope of the changes that are being requested detailed plans for

[3:52:45] Voice 7: redevelopment there are unlike other applications that you've seen in the past for Village

[3:52:51] Voice 7: redevelopment where you see landscape plans and elevation plans that's not being provided at this

[3:52:57] Voice 7: point because the applicant is intending to incrementally potentially develop the property

[3:53:03] Voice 7: it's not a comprehensive redevelopment upon rezoning so in that case we have nothing to

[3:53:10] Voice 7: physically show you in terms of what the buildings might look like what the layout is

[3:53:14] Voice 7: but we do have a scope of the uses that are being requested and that is flexibility to accommodate

[3:53:21] Voice 7: future expansion of the commercial uses to include general retail sales rentals personal services

[3:53:29] Voice 7: restaurants bakeries food truck or accessory offices so that is less than what the village

[3:53:35] Voice 7: commercial zoning currently permits more than what the local commercial zoning that is currently in

[3:53:41] Voice 7: place allows you on that property so um the applicant in their application you'll note

[3:53:48] Voice 7: was is not actually requesting the village commercial zoning they were actually requesting

[3:53:53] Voice 7: just a site-specific local commercial zone um for that property but for the reasons outlined

[3:54:00] Voice 7: in the staff report we feel that it lends these types of uses like itself well to the village

[3:54:06] Voice 7: commercial zoning they're completely consistent with the official community plan policy that

[3:54:11] Voice 7: allows for minor expansion of the village commercial designation to other properties

[3:54:16] Voice 7: that fall within certain parameters so the staff is suggesting that that would be more appropriate

[3:54:22] Voice 7: than a site-specific local commercial free zone which is specific for garden centers

[3:54:27] Voice 7: which is what is currently in place so the applicant's lot size does lend itself to having

[3:54:33] Voice 7: subdivision potential if it were not for a restricted covenant registered on title it

[3:54:38] Voice 7: would permit upon subdivision one single-family residential dwelling on each lot so the applicant

[3:54:45] Voice 7: is requesting that the zoning for the parcel restrict no further subdivision but permit the

[3:54:53] Voice 7: two residential densities one of those being rent controlled through an affordable housing agreement

[3:55:00] Voice 7: with the local trust committee so the second issue in the staff report relates to groundwater

[3:55:08] Voice 7: water management uh and staff is recommending that in order to proceed to first reading that

[3:55:15] Voice 7: the applicant would need to submit to the local trust committee evidence prepared by a professional

[3:55:20] Voice 7: qualified professional such as a geologist evidence to confirm that the

[3:55:25] Voice 7: existing aquifer

[3:55:26] Voice 7: can support that range of uses the intensity of uses uh commercial and residential and not have

[3:55:34] Voice 7: any adverse impacts on adjacent users so at this point in time that information is not available

[3:55:40] Voice 7: but we're not requesting that we defer drafting a bylaws until that information is received the

[3:55:45] Voice 7: applicant is moving forward with getting that information however um so under that faith that

[3:55:52] Voice 7: that will come forward to a future local trust committee we can proceed to begin to draft those

[3:55:57] Voice 7: bylaws and hope that that dovetails nicely with consideration of first reading and referrals

[3:56:01] Voice 7: same with the sewage disposal system the existing system we have confirmation that the existing

[3:56:07] Voice 7: system needs some maintenance and possibly some repair and that it's adequate for the existing

[3:56:14] Voice 7: uses and that there's some evidence to suggest that there's sufficient space on the property

[3:56:19] Voice 7: to expand or to increase sewage capacity however we would need a qualified report that would

[3:56:25] Voice 7: anticipate the flow rates of those commercial and residential uses and design a proper system and

[3:56:31] Voice 7: then demonstrate that the site can accommodate that so we're also suggesting that while the

[3:56:38] Voice 7: applicant is obtaining that information that we could draft the bylaws and tie first reading to

[3:56:43] Voice 7: a sufficient receipt or confirmation of the ltc size that those issues have been addressed the

[3:56:51] Voice 7: third piece relates to the development permit area that you currently have so that's for the village

[3:56:57] Voice 7: center and also this application lends itself well to be included in that designation so that

[3:57:04] Voice 7: the future redevelopment of the property when there is a plan to construct a new building or

[3:57:09] Voice 7: to expand the existing structures there that they would be subject to a development permit area

[3:57:14] Voice 7: and at that point in time there's very specific requirements and guidelines that lend themselves

[3:57:20] Voice 7: well to informing for energy efficiency water conservation stormwater management

[3:57:27] Voice 7: bicycle parking vehicle parking all those factors would play in at that point in time so we're

[3:57:32] Voice 7: requesting that um if we do drop bylaws that we include the development permit area as part of

[3:57:39] Voice 7: this package there are as i mentioned restrictive covenants on title that we would uh we're

[3:57:47] Voice 7: suggesting now would need to be discharged in order to allow this application to proceed

[3:57:52] Voice 7: proceed the way it's presented one relates to sewage disposal being tied to a certain square

[3:57:59] Voice 7: footage and some outdated references to the province and the other restricts the use to the

[3:58:06] Voice 7: garden center so we mentioned a bit about referrals and things that would come next but

[3:58:15] Voice 7: early referral would be for the rdn and so they look at this point in time actually rdn would be

[3:58:21] Voice 7: of when a draft model is prepared we typically give 30 to 60 days to the regional district

[3:58:27] Voice 7: and early referral system they want to indicate what the intent of the application is

[3:58:35] Voice 7: so there's a few alternatives there for your consideration relating to whether or not there's

[3:58:41] Voice 7: additional information that you require staff and the staff report recommendations is outlining just

[3:58:47] Voice 7: the two factors related to sewage and water being critical in order for a future ltc to consider

[3:58:55] Voice 7: greetings or to do referrals or any kind of public consultation

[3:59:00] Voice 7: the applicant did do a pre-application meeting on the suggestion of staff we've been working with

[3:59:07] Voice 7: the applicant for about two years off and on discussing this application so they did solicit

[3:59:12] Voice 7: some limited input from adjacent I think it was adjacent property owners in general public

[3:59:18] Voice 7: and attended and incorporated that into their application so if you have any specific questions

[3:59:26] Voice 7: I'm happy to address them at this time. I

[3:59:32] Trustee Colbourne: guess my question would be to the applicant regarding

[3:59:35] Trustee Colbourne: the differences in approach to site specific and the village commercial so I don't maybe we can

[3:59:42] Trustee Colbourne: give the opportunity to um the agent on behalf of the applicant to just kind of talk through

[3:59:49] Trustee Colbourne: if they're not that's okay with

[3:59:50] Voice 5: they're okay with the approaches being suggested

[3:59:58] Voice 1: we're coming to you

[4:00:00] Voice 1: Anyway, so let's go ahead.

[4:00:02] Voice 1: Thank you, Matt, through the chair.

[4:00:06] Voice 1: Yes, Mr. Mullin would like to obviously increase

[4:00:10] Voice 1: the opportunities on his property.

[4:00:13] Voice 1: Putting it under a development permit area

[4:00:15] Voice 1: would be an excellent way of managing

[4:00:18] Voice 1: that incremental development

[4:00:20] Voice 1: because it would have to be demonstrated

[4:00:21] Voice 1: at every application.

[4:00:24] Voice 1: There is not a grand plan for this property.

[4:00:27] Voice 1: There are certain things that Mr. Mohn would like to do, including a food truck, potentially a tea house, potentially having some small retail spaces with the image of goats on the roof in his mind.

[4:00:45] Voice 1: I think that the residential, while one of the units is suggested as being with a housing agreement to be affordable, Mr. Moe would like both of those to be for staff, recognizing how difficult it is for staff to get housing on the island.

[4:01:00] Voice 1: We completely agree with the approach that Planners Who Panic is taking, and we are more than willing to put together all of these reports.

[4:01:10] Voice 1: ports and uh some some work has been done there's been an environmental uh there's been uh pump

[4:01:17] Voice 1: tests on current well that sort of thing but we need to to do some more some more uh work obviously

[4:01:22] Voice 1: to reflect the proposed uses in total um the one other thing that we've discussed with staff is

[4:01:31] Voice 1: because one of mr moan's uh key things is a food truck uh there is no definition of food truck and

[4:01:36] Voice 1: And I understand that staff have indicated that food truck is a restaurant, and yet the Island Health deals with food trucks and restaurants very differently under their mobile food premises guidelines.

[4:01:50] Voice 1: And there are several other municipalities, including Duncan, Ladysmith, Victoria, who have specific definitions for mobile vending or licensed food trucks.

[4:02:06] Voice 1: We would just ask if that be considered as one of the uses that may be added to the bylaw.

[4:02:14] Voice 1: but other than that we're we're happy with the approach and more than willing to continue to

[4:02:20] Voice 1: work with staff to get the background information required thank

[4:02:25] Trustee Langereis: you questions for the planner or

[4:02:27] Trustee Langereis: for the stuff for the topic yeah

[4:02:29] Voice 8: the village the village domain versus a local commercial

[4:02:38] Voice 8: right now that lot is is not it doesn't have much paving it's a fairly permeable surface

[4:02:46] Voice 8: village zone what's going to happen in terms of the degree of paving of a corona is i i don't i

[4:02:54] Voice 8: don't recall i'd have to look at what the rules are around that's on would it be the general

[4:03:00] Voice 8: village zone that would be applied or would it be more specific to the law itself you know the

[4:03:06] Voice 7: staff report is suggesting a slight specific village commercial zone so currently you have

[4:03:11] Voice 7: a bc1 a bc2 so likely without having

[4:03:16] Voice 7: gone too far into it it's looking like a bc3 zone that would

[4:03:21] Voice 7: be limited to the uses that are outlined in the staff report so that it doesn't include the

[4:03:26] Voice 7: gasoline sales the service auto repair laundromat those types of things are not what's being

[4:03:32] Voice 7: contemplated for this but everything else in the village commercial zone that the outlook

[4:03:37] Voice 7: was asking for that currently already exists in the village are well suited to just stay within

[4:03:43] Voice 7: the village commercial ocp designation and then the zoning as well so

[4:03:48] Voice 8: a lot of coverage

[4:03:49] Voice 8: would be consistent then setbacks

[4:03:52] Voice 7: percent lot coverage i think currently one of the issues i

[4:03:56] Voice 7: have a

[4:03:56] Voice 8: concern about the amount of paving that might occur so

[4:04:01] Voice 7: the development permit area if

[4:04:04] Voice 7: that's applied to this

[4:04:05] Voice 7: parcel uh does have the across the whole island the only requirements

[4:04:12] Voice 7: for stormwater management and um at the time of construction so they would need to submit

[4:04:19] Voice 7: a stormwater management plan for that and there is some guidance in the development

[4:04:24] Voice 7: permit area to sort of speak to what you're referring to um and what coverage definitely

[4:04:31] Voice 7: definitely would be increased you know from what's currently there once if all these uses were to be

[4:04:36] Voice 7: incorporated into the development plan

[4:04:38] Voice 10: um

[4:04:39] Voice 7: the geotechnical report that's hyperlinked in the

[4:04:42] Voice 7: staff report indicates that on-site stormwater retention is likely not possible and i think that

[4:04:48] Voice 7: has to do with geology perhaps so the site i'm not quite sure um so there's some other

[4:04:56] Voice 7: recommendations there but the stormwater management plan would have to then come up with

[4:05:03] Voice 7: some creative solutions if there was to be more paving

[4:05:07] Voice 14: the

[4:05:09] Voice 8: covenant on use in fact what's that

[4:05:13] Voice 8: between the trust and the property yeah

[4:05:15] Voice 7: correct so that was

[4:05:17] Voice 8: put in for a specific reason i guess

[4:05:19] Voice 8: that

[4:05:19] Voice 7: was part of a historic rezoning application to the site-specific commercial use yeah

[4:05:27] Voice 8: the well test four hours in the wet spring might be i'm just not sure how where the test that was

[4:05:37] Voice 12: four

[4:05:37] Voice 8: hours seems rather short i mean that'll come out i guess in terms of the capacity down

[4:05:43] Voice 8: i'm assuming there'll be more water studies done potentially

[4:05:49] Voice 17: available there for that size

[4:05:52] Voice 17: and development that's

[4:05:53] Voice 7: what we're recommending is that you wouldn't or a local trust committee

[4:05:56] Voice 7: would not consider first reading unless they were satisfied with how your geological data and

[4:06:01] Voice 7: analysis is much more comprehensive in terms of how the actual uses and the flow rate is going

[4:06:08] Voice 7: to accommodate that diversity and intensity reasons well

[4:06:13] Voice 14: for me the big interest is what

[4:06:15] Voice 14: does the community think about the expansion that's a

[4:06:19] Voice 7: big question for myself so the pre-application

[4:06:23] Voice 7: meeting indicated from the nine people that came that there

[4:06:27] Voice 7: was general support for an increase of

[4:06:29] Voice 7: abuses uh that oddly enough seemed that there wasn't so much of an interest in the village

[4:06:35] Voice 7: commercial zoning as much as keeping it local commercial but i'm not sure that that

[4:06:39] Voice 7: is reflective of the sort of functionality of how

[4:06:42] Voice 7: zoning and ocp designations work

[4:06:45] Voice 7: so i sort of took that as a you know something to discuss at a community information meeting the

[4:06:50] Voice 7: pros and cons of local commercial versus commercial question

[4:06:56] Trustee Colbourne: uh the covenants in

[4:06:58] Trustee Colbourne: terms of the discharging of those who were they held by so the local trust committee

[4:07:02] Trustee Colbourne: yeah

[4:07:03] Voice 7: so that would be part of this application is that the ltc would be advised along the way that

[4:07:09] Voice 7: if this were to move towards adoption that we would also be presenting discharge documents

[4:07:15] Voice 7: for signature but

[4:07:16] Voice 17: they're not held by a third

[4:07:17] Voice 7: party that could complicate this right now

[4:07:19] Voice 7: i'm

[4:07:23] Voice 17: feeling very slow today um because

[4:07:28] Trustee Langereis: i'm and and so talk to me like i'm i don't know what i'm

[4:07:33] Trustee Langereis: doing um why village commercial because village commercial seems to be quite centered in one area

[4:07:40] Trustee Langereis: then you're going to put another one over proposals put it over here and there'll be

[4:07:45] Trustee Langereis: about a kilometer and a half in between them and i'm wondering and i was trying to go through the

[4:07:52] Trustee Langereis: ocp and trying to figure out what the advantage of that was other than that there's a broader range

[4:07:57] Trustee Langereis: of uses available in the land use bylaw is that except those are all specific in there so yeah

[4:08:04] Voice 7: so the types of uses just looking at the uses and ignoring the 650 meters the first thing is is that

[4:08:13] Voice 7: these uses are reflected in the village commercial zone the uses that they're requesting and not

[4:08:18] Voice 7: really duplicated elsewhere other than the district commercial um zoning which is over

[4:08:24] Voice 7: at twin beaches for example so that's quite a distance away what's up

[4:08:27] Voice 17: you have a district

[4:08:29] Voice 7: commercial zone

[4:08:30] Voice 17: right for our

[4:08:31] Voice 7: twin beaches you have a new trail that's been designated

[4:08:36] Voice 7: the village way trail that actually terminates at this intersection so it by nature of design

[4:08:42] Voice 7: That trail is intended to incorporate that neighborhood, the gyro, the wild rose nursery, the hope center as part of a connectivity to the village.

[4:08:52] Voice 7: The official community plan has policies that specifically stipulate that there can be an extension of the village commercial designation and thereby zoning if it meets certain criteria.

[4:09:04] Voice 7: And those are listed in the report. And this application absolutely meets all those criteria.

[4:09:08] Voice 7: So, the local commercial zoning, in our analysis of your OCD, was really intended to be sort of what you currently have.

[4:09:18] Voice 7: Here's a garden center nowhere near your other commercial centers, and that's where those two garden centers typically were at the time that they were put into place.

[4:09:31] Voice 7: whereas things have shifted and changed and the institutional uses that seem to sort of book

[4:09:37] Voice 7: end this part of the village before the wild growth center um doesn't mean that there's a gap

[4:09:45] Voice 7: in the village commercial zoning i just think it's that multi-use you've got a lot of institutional

[4:09:50] Voice 7: use from where the village stops and then until wild grows so my

[4:09:56] Trustee Langereis: other question is is um well

[4:10:01] Trustee Langereis: Well, I have two more.

[4:10:03] Trustee Langereis: One of the criteria says expansion of the village

[4:10:07] Trustee Langereis: commercial designation shall be considered

[4:10:09] Trustee Langereis: based on compliance following.

[4:10:10] Trustee Langereis: The second one is design and site layout

[4:10:13] Trustee Langereis: proposed to help can be well integrated

[4:10:15] Trustee Langereis: in the existing land use pattern in the village center.

[4:10:18] Trustee Langereis: I wonder how that works given that it's separated from that.

[4:10:25] Trustee Langereis: My other question is, must admit no disrespect

[4:10:28] Trustee Langereis: respect to the applicant when i hear goats on the roof i think of what that looks like there which

[4:10:34] Trustee Langereis: has become a behemoth um in that small little town like there's probably 14 stores there etc etc

[4:10:42] Trustee Langereis: what kind of controls are there on that would there be if the zoning was granted on the developed

[4:10:48] Trustee Langereis: the size of the development so

[4:10:51] Voice 7: a couple of tools that we could use i'll start with that one first

[4:10:54] Voice 7: because that's the one i heard the floor area could be a limitation right now a lot coverage

[4:11:02] Voice 7: seems to be the the approach that the gabriel and these violences so it doesn't identify floor areas

[4:11:08] Voice 7: for any type of use it has a lot coverage maximum and how the owner or the developer decides to

[4:11:14] Voice 7: divide those up is up to them that allows for more flexibility and creativity doesn't contemplate or

[4:11:21] Voice 7: restrict future commercial options and that seems uh there's that seems to be okay in the community

[4:11:28] Voice 7: so far there doesn't seem to be a lot of violent enforcement or complaint issues around

[4:11:33] Voice 7: inequitable commercial use of land that's owned so those would be height setbacks lot coverage

[4:11:42] Voice 7: would be how to do that form and character would be through the development area okay so the fact

[4:11:47] Voice 7: that it would need to be pedestrian oriented right and

[4:11:50] Voice 7: it would need to be um fronting onto

[4:11:52] Voice 7: to the street and parking in the haunt those are all things that the development permit area didn't

[4:11:57] Voice 7: really help with for most of the village because it was mostly developed there's only one phase of

[4:12:03] Voice 7: the village that was subject to that development permit area upon redevelopment everything else

[4:12:11] Voice 7: was done prior to that so this would be one of those examples where we could actually apply the

[4:12:16] Voice 7: development from an area and thoughtfully inform a layout

[4:12:21] Voice 7: that's slightly more

[4:12:25] do

[4:12:27] Voice 8: we have a DIA by specific to the commercial?

[4:12:32] Voice 8: I

[4:12:33] Voice 7: think there's one here

[4:12:39] Voice 14: for that for every ratio

[4:12:46] Voice 14: applies to

[4:12:48] Voice 14: all the commercializing.

[4:12:50] Voice 14: think

[4:12:50] Voice 8: is that right

[4:12:51] Voice 7: um i think i'm

[4:12:54] Voice 7: gonna have to just see

[4:12:54] Voice 8: uh one has a floor area ratio and i saw

[4:12:58] Voice 8: the village commercial type floor area ratio in jane

[4:13:02] Voice 8: i thought all the commercial did as well as

[4:13:05] Trustee Colbourne: log coverage so that would be you know i can check that law

[4:13:09] Trustee Colbourne: coverage is included in the recommendation

[4:13:12] Trustee Colbourne: of motion number two so i know floor area ratio is

[4:13:17] Voice 8: what i'm thinking of yeah

[4:13:17] Voice 17: which

[4:13:18] Voice 8: is in the

[4:13:19] Voice 8: uh commercial zones okay

[4:13:21] Trustee Langereis: so i guess the real decision is just whether you're prepared to move

[4:13:25] Trustee Langereis: this ask the stock to move forward uh that's that's really and to request certain reports

[4:13:32] Trustee Langereis: in other words get it keep it moving set it up for the next local trust committee or not

[4:13:36] Trustee Langereis: yes so trustee language what's your thought about that yeah

[4:13:40] Voice 8: i think you know they've got something

[4:13:42] Voice 8: they got a proposal and it really needs to go out into the community i think for a discussion

[4:13:47] Voice 8: discussion of what they think about the concept um but i think i just had a couple of comments

[4:13:52] Voice 8: around the um the well the water supply and the uh company okay other than that let's

[4:13:59] Voice 8: hear what the community has to say okay

[4:14:01] Trustee Langereis: trustee colburn are you happy with these motions that's

[4:14:05] Trustee Langereis: dropping yeah

[4:14:06] Trustee Colbourne: yeah i don't uh i think this this sets it up well for the next phase

[4:14:10] Trustee Langereis: okay so i'm

[4:14:10] Trustee Langereis: gonna i'm going to i'm gonna do what we haven't done in four years i'm going to shortcut and say

[4:14:15] Trustee Langereis: that we're going to move the motions as drafted second and say this is not an adopting of a bylaw

[4:14:24] Trustee Langereis: or anything of that nature this is simply some motions to move the matter forward so uh trustee

[4:14:30] Trustee Langereis: colbert can you move the motions as drafted i'll

[4:14:33] Trustee Colbourne: move the motions as presented on page 70 of the

[4:14:35] Trustee Colbourne: agenda package

[4:14:36] Trustee Langereis: okay and uh it's trusted seconded by trustee langer eyes any further comments

[4:14:41] Trustee Langereis: nope it's all in favor that passes unanimously thank you very much for your time ma'am

[4:14:46] Trustee Langereis: and good luck with your work you won't be seeing any of the three of us again so

[4:14:51] Trustee Langereis: you'll be dealing with all new things thank you take care uh the next item on the agenda

[4:14:58] Trustee Langereis: was we're now at the 10.1 which is the comprehensive official community client

[4:15:03] Trustee Langereis: lighting project business case staff report thank you for putting this together i think

[4:15:08] Trustee Langereis: that was you that put together no it's heather sorry

[4:15:12] Voice 7: i'm gonna catch it it's on

[4:15:13] Voice 3: page 84. oh it

[4:15:18] Voice 3: is from heather hello heather you're

[4:15:23] Trustee Langereis: back yeah

[4:15:25] Voice 9: thank

[4:15:26] Trustee Langereis: you work to the end of your last working day

[4:15:31] Trustee Langereis: um so are you presenting this report i

[4:15:34] Voice 11: am go

[4:15:35] Trustee Langereis: ahead so

[4:15:37] Voice 11: there are a few things going on in this report

[4:15:40] Voice 11: One is that there is a recommendation from staff about moving forward your top priorities list and your projects list to the next LTC.

[4:15:53] Voice 11: I think you saw this report last time, and there are some recommendations around how to reorganize it and maybe some that can be eliminated.

[4:16:02] Voice 11: You'll notice that for most of the items on your projects list, they are OCP or LUB amendments or some combination of that.

[4:16:13] Voice 11: And staff, over the last four years, you've been trying really hard to do a housing project and get these documents updated regarding housing.

[4:16:25] Voice 11: housing. But I think over time, what we are, what we Islands Trust are realizing is that

[4:16:33] Voice 11: the OCPs in general for Islands Trust are not getting updated in comprehensive ways in part

[4:16:39] Voice 11: because we're focusing on targeted areas. So, you know, if we just do a project on housing,

[4:16:47] Voice 11: housing. The rest of the document is not getting updated. So in the end, again, because there were

[4:16:56] Voice 11: so many things on the list for what you wanted to do, the recommendation was to just put forward

[4:17:04] Voice 11: a business case for a comprehensive OCP amendment and to ask for the budget to do that. Now there's

[4:17:12] Voice 11: There's some debate about whether or not $60,000 is even enough for that.

[4:17:16] Voice 11: But it's a larger chunk of change than this LTC has requested in the past and is more

[4:17:23] Voice 11: in line with what an OCP might cost in terms of having consultant help to do the public

[4:17:30] Voice 11: engagement in particular.

[4:17:33] Voice 11: I have included in this particular draft, I have included some of the specific things

[4:17:40] Voice 11: that have been in the housing project charter.

[4:17:44] Voice 11: So those topic areas have been included in this list

[4:17:47] Voice 11: for the recommended top priorities list.

[4:17:50] Voice 11: It includes those things along with everything else

[4:17:53] Voice 11: that was in the list that would be an OCP amendment.

[4:17:57] Voice 11: So in summary, we're recommending a top priorities list,

[4:18:02] Voice 11: a projects list, and a projects list, sorry,

[4:18:05] Voice 11: that go to the next LTC to be,

[4:18:09] Voice 11: this is what we recommend that you recommend. And then I've also developed a draft business case.

[4:18:16] Voice 11: If you want that work to begin next year on a comprehensive OCP, that business case would need

[4:18:23] Voice 11: to be endorsed today in order to go to the financial planning committee for consideration

[4:18:29] Voice 11: of the budget for next year. So that's really the summary. And I'm glad to answer any questions

[4:18:38] Voice 11: about that questions trustee

[4:18:42] Trustee Colbourne: cole uh page there's a couple of abbreviations initials i just want to

[4:18:48] Trustee Colbourne: make sure that everyone's on the same page here i'm on page 86 uh consider it incorporate rcp

[4:18:55] Trustee Colbourne: goals i think i know what that is but can you spell that out for me that

[4:19:01] Voice 11: is the regional

[4:19:02] Voice 11: regional conservation plan the our what is that uh the conservancy plan the island stress

[4:19:11] Trustee Colbourne: conservancy plan right regional conservation regional

[4:19:16] Voice 11: there you go

[4:19:17] Trustee Colbourne: there

[4:19:18] Voice 11: you go so could

[4:19:19] Trustee Colbourne: could i just informally ask that that this be amended to spell that out um and then when we uh

[4:19:26] Trustee Colbourne: if if we do the motions then we'll say as amended uh because i do think we need to um

[4:19:32] Trustee Colbourne: um be clear on that page 87 and i looked this up and i want to make absolutely sure we have

[4:19:45] Trustee Colbourne: the right section number review of section b.2.1.1 for variances within dp3 i looked that

[4:19:57] Trustee Colbourne: up and i didn't think that had to do with dp3 but i want to make sure that's using an up-to-date

[4:20:04] Trustee Colbourne: section number it's very it doesn't really spell out what that project is or what

[4:20:10] Trustee Colbourne: but it needs a bit more information, that one.

[4:20:15] Trustee Colbourne: Those were my two.

[4:20:17] Trustee Colbourne: And I didn't have any feedback on the business case.

[4:20:20] Trustee Colbourne: This looks like a pretty stripped down number.

[4:20:26] Trustee Colbourne: I guess my question is,

[4:20:30] Trustee Colbourne: in terms of the OCP reviews that have been done

[4:20:33] Trustee Colbourne: over the past three or four years,

[4:20:35] Trustee Colbourne: how does this cost line up

[4:20:36] Trustee Colbourne: with what was spent on the actual comprehensive reviews?

[4:20:39] Trustee Colbourne: views do you have is there any budgeting that will allow us to place this in context um

[4:20:46] Voice 11: as far

[4:20:47] Voice 11: as i know there's really only been in in recollection i'd have to look but i there seems

[4:20:54] Voice 11: to have only been one which was in the south and i know that they they did it with bare bones money

[4:21:01] Voice 11: like i i doubt that they were even close to twenty thousand dollars for that project

[4:21:06] Voice 11: um because it was all staff and it was a very minimal public engagement process

[4:21:16] Voice 11: now in comparison um salt spring is putting forward a business case to ask for two hundred

[4:21:24] Voice 11: thousand dollars next year to do a major ocp amendment but it's not a comprehensive amendment

[4:21:32] Voice 11: amendment. It's not.

[4:21:35] Voice 11: And their Ganges Village project is a separate budget of, I think,

[4:21:42] Voice 11: $80,000. That is actually more in line with what you see for budgets out there in the world.

[4:21:53] Voice 11: Sonia and I were having a conversation recently that she saw that Lady Smith was going to be

[4:21:59] Voice 11: doing a major ocp amendment and they have budgeted three hundred thousand dollars for that um now

[4:22:05] Voice 11: i'm assuming that all of that is because they're going to bring in consultants to do all of the

[4:22:12] Voice 11: work you know all of the public engagement and all of the bylaw drafting um i think that's an average

[4:22:20] Voice 11: i think that's kind of the going rate now for a comprehensive ocp project um this is one fiscal

[4:22:28] Trustee Colbourne: fiscal year right we're

[4:22:29] Voice 11: putting forward a business

[4:22:30] Trustee Colbourne: case for one fiscal year there'll be more yes

[4:22:33] Voice 2: there's potential there

[4:22:34] Trustee Colbourne: but it's that first level of engagement yeah

[4:22:37] Trustee Langereis: there's a sort of a very very

[4:22:39] Trustee Langereis: draft budget the second year which is less but it's five ten thirteen thousand for the second

[4:22:46] Trustee Langereis: year but the but the proposal is for sixty thousand dollars for this coming year so it's

[4:22:51] Trustee Colbourne: not it's to be clear sixty thousand is not the total budget so it's hard to compare that with

[4:22:55] Trustee Colbourne: spent in other places but right and at

[4:22:59] Voice 8: subsequent years it may well change the amounts anyway based

[4:23:02] Voice 8: on what happens in the

[4:23:03] Voice 8: first year so

[4:23:06] Trustee Langereis: do you here's a philosophical question do you think that's the

[4:23:12] Trustee Langereis: model that is going to be recommended that because part of the question was the regional planning

[4:23:18] Trustee Langereis: team was going to be the ones doing the ocp reviews and now i think what's coming is no

[4:23:25] Trustee Langereis: we're going to hire consultants to do this um i know the one in gambier is is the consultant is

[4:23:34] Trustee Langereis: an engagement consultant but not the drafting uh consultant the planner uh is working on that so

[4:23:41] Trustee Langereis: but do you think this is sort of a model that's coming i

[4:23:45] Voice 11: think it's going to be one or the other

[4:23:51] Voice 11: so you know when we've looked at the model of major versus extra oh can you still hear me or

[4:23:56] Voice 11: or not? Yes,

[4:23:56] Voice 11: I can now. Okay. No,

[4:23:59] Trustee Langereis: no, no, you're there now.

[4:24:00] Voice 11: Okay. I think it's going to be one or

[4:24:05] Voice 11: the other. An extraordinary project is assumed to be including consultants. But even a consultant

[4:24:13] Voice 11: contract has to be managed by staff. You know, the RFP process has to be done and they have to

[4:24:18] Voice 11: manage it. So the RPP is going to be involved no matter what, depending on, you know, who's doing

[4:24:24] Voice 11: the work. I think next year in particular, it's going to be tough to get staff capacity to do that

[4:24:34] Voice 11: kind of work because right now there are somewhere in the like 26 major or extraordinary projects

[4:24:42] Voice 11: going on. And I think eight of those are supposed to go into next year. So the regional planning

[4:24:50] Voice 11: planning team is already committed to eight projects for next year and i

[4:24:55] Trustee Langereis: can tell you that

[4:24:57] Trustee Langereis: they are we are not this is not the only local trust committee that is going to pitch a uh an

[4:25:03] Trustee Langereis: ocp lub review for next year it's coming it's coming from everywhere because because we haven't

[4:25:12] Trustee Langereis: done it right

[4:25:13] Voice 11: it's

[4:25:14] Trustee Langereis: one of the big the big um gaps in the work of the allen's trust is that it's been

[4:25:21] Trustee Langereis: in some cases decades since uh there's been a major work on these and best practices what is

[4:25:28] Trustee Langereis: the what is it five years anyway trustees what do you think yeah i'm i think we need to put

[4:25:35] something forward for the next fiscal year get it in the hopper and the next trust committee

[4:25:40] will have a say on it when they're when they're in position to look down

[4:25:44] Voice 8: proposed right they could easily change it they decide to change it and it does clean up a lot

[4:25:52] Voice 8: of the projects that have been sitting there for years and potentially sit there for years longer

[4:25:57] Voice 8: if we don't do something okay and also the change in the way uh our projects are going to be handled

[4:26:04] Voice 8: locally you know it's a small project only it's going to have an impact whenever that rolls out

[4:26:09] Voice 8: completely all right i think and we haven't put forward any any uh major ocp reviews that's a long

[4:26:15] Voice 8: time and we should have some priority i would think as being the second largest uh trust i

[4:26:21] Trustee Langereis: would hope so okay

[4:26:22] Trustee Langereis: so so if you're both in agreement with this cleanup and of the thing

[4:26:27] Trustee Langereis: is can i have a couple of motions can

[4:26:29] Trustee Colbourne: i just ask a quick question about page 88 and it lists

[4:26:32] Trustee Colbourne: decorcy island ocp and lup so the rest of this is referencing gabriola but then it's adding a

[4:26:38] Trustee Colbourne: Decorsi Island review onto the project list. So I'm just wondering where that comes from. I don't

[4:26:45] Trustee Colbourne: think we've been all that active on Decorsi in terms of public engagement. So I'm just, you know,

[4:26:52] Trustee Colbourne: that's one of the oldest untouched OCPs probably within the Islands Trust. But is that why it's

[4:26:58] Trustee Colbourne: been added onto the project list? Because it's been 30 something years since anyone worked on it?

[4:27:02] Trustee Colbourne: I

[4:27:02] Voice 11: believe that was already on the projects list. And, you know, we just recognize that it

[4:27:08] Voice 11: It should be done.

[4:27:10] Voice 11: And so let's keep it on the projects list.

[4:27:12] Voice 8: There's also the potential that the governments have reviewed,

[4:27:16] Voice 8: said, why do we have so many smaller OCPs?

[4:27:22] The

[4:27:24] Trustee Langereis: governance people would go out and talk to people on DeCourcy

[4:27:28] Trustee Langereis: and Anvil and islands like that and ask them whether they want to be

[4:27:33] Trustee Langereis: rolled into the Gabriola OCP because if you go to the left,

[4:27:39] Trustee Langereis: you won't get off the island.

[4:27:41] Trustee Langereis: anyway but thank you for

[4:27:43] Trustee Langereis: the answer um uh so there's a couple motions but i get your point

[4:27:49] Trustee Langereis: and prepare our cao has been on that all through his time as a cao as we should not have

[4:27:57] Trustee Langereis: uh we should not have more than 13 or 12 ocps and we have well there's three in my area

[4:28:04] Trustee Langereis: where i come from but it

[4:28:07] Voice 8: could be one ocp with something yes that's

[4:28:09] Trustee Colbourne: where that's where it's

[4:28:10] Trustee Langereis: going to end

[4:28:10] Trustee Colbourne: up yeah anyway emotions

[4:28:12] Trustee Colbourne: i'm in favor of this i still would like this to go to the apc

[4:28:16] Trustee Colbourne: and apc but i'll move through the first two motions that the gabriel island local trust

[4:28:20] Trustee Colbourne: committee endorsed the top priorities list and projects list as presented as amended on september

[4:28:25] Trustee Colbourne: 29 2022 for further consideration by the incoming local trust committee

[4:28:29] Trustee Langereis: seconded any further

[4:28:30] Trustee Langereis: discussion don't call the vote thanks very much i

[4:28:33] Trustee Colbourne: move that the gabriel island local trust committee

[4:28:35] Trustee Colbourne: endorsed the draft business case for a gabriel island comprehensive official community plan and

[4:28:39] Trustee Colbourne: land use by-law project request staff forwarded to the financial planning committee

[4:28:43] Trustee Langereis: i seconded

[4:28:44] Trustee Langereis: all in favor

[4:28:45] Trustee Colbourne: i'm happy to see capacity funding first and engagement and communications budgeted

[4:28:51] Trustee Colbourne: in this that's a good first step um i would also do a third motion that the gable island

[4:28:57] Trustee Colbourne: local trust committee refer the top priorities list and projects list to the apc and hapc

[4:29:05] Trustee Colbourne: for their review.

[4:29:09] Voice 8: So this would be not, it's supposed to be two separate,

[4:29:13] Voice 8: we don't want to hit them with multiple topics.

[4:29:16] Trustee Langereis: Well, it would be certainly far less time sensitive.

[4:29:20] Voice 8: Yeah.

[4:29:21] Voice 8: I think what you

[4:29:22] Trustee Langereis: really want them to do is to go through the list

[4:29:24] Trustee Langereis: of the comprehensive OCP and LUB lists and see whether they think

[4:29:30] Trustee Langereis: there's things that maybe shouldn't be there or might be.

[4:29:33] Trustee Colbourne: because the HAPC was involved in that project and that's now been rolled into this and the APC can

[4:29:37] Trustee Colbourne: provide comments on the kind of historical projects that have been on the list for

[4:29:41] Trustee Colbourne: you

[4:29:42] Voice 3: okay with

[4:29:43] Voice 8: that yeah yeah just some just long as it only overlaid this one

[4:29:47] Voice 8: I think I tell

[4:29:49] Trustee Langereis: if anybody's watching from the APC or the HAPC uh understand that that's not a

[4:29:54] Trustee Langereis: that's not the it's the other one is is uh yeah there's no expectation

[4:29:59] Trustee Langereis: Thank you.

[4:30:00] Trustee Langereis: it's for the feedback to the next ltc okay so there's a motion it's been seconded yes

[4:30:06] Voice 12: do you want to add in as presented

[4:30:08] Voice 7: on september 29th 2022 yes please

[4:30:16] Voice 7: okay

[4:30:19] Trustee Langereis: then i'll call it all in favor that's a toss anything else related to this

[4:30:24] Trustee Langereis: okay then let's go to the ecological protection zone 10.2 which is at page 94 thanks for the words

[4:30:32] Trustee Langereis: of Trustee Farrans related to this.

[4:30:37] Trustee Langereis: We have a staff report.

[4:30:38] Trustee Langereis: Are you going to give this?

[4:30:40] Voice 7: Oh, there he is.

[4:30:43] Trustee Langereis: I didn't realize.

[4:30:45] Trustee Langereis: Hello.

[4:30:45] Trustee Langereis: So we have Platt Air Fontino here.

[4:30:48] Trustee Langereis: Fontino.

[4:30:49] Voice 15: Good afternoon, trustees.

[4:30:51] Voice 15: Hope everybody is doing well.

[4:30:53] Voice 15: Yeah.

[4:30:55] Voice 15: The purpose of this report is to advance

[4:30:57] Voice 15: the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee's

[4:31:00] Voice 15: top priority ecological protection zone by considering the first and second readings of

[4:31:05] Voice 15: bylaw 313 which contains amendments to the gabriola island land use bylaw to allow for

[4:31:11] Voice 15: the introduction of a new ecological protection zone the draft bylaw if adopted will amend the

[4:31:20] Voice 15: gabriola island land use bylaw by developing a new ecological protection zone for the gabriola

[4:31:24] Voice 15: island land use bylaw this consists of rezoning elder cedar nature reserve to a park or

[4:31:30] Voice 15: conservation protection type zone. At the July 28, 2022 LTC meeting, the LTC passed a resolution to

[4:31:38] Voice 15: remove Burns Acres Nature Reserve from the proposed bylaw amendment since staff had discovered that

[4:31:43] Voice 15: there was a need for an official community plan amendment. The LTC advised moving forward

[4:31:51] Voice 15: with the proposed bylaw amendment that only included Elder Cedar Nature Reserve. Given the

[4:31:57] Voice 15: the LTC decision to waive the requirement for public hearing at the June 16th 2022 meeting

[4:32:02] Voice 15: staff are recommending as per page one of this report that draft bylaw number 313 be given first

[4:32:09] Voice 15: and second reading and be referred to the Islands Trust Conservancy Regional District of Nanaimo and

[4:32:15] Voice 15: the NENA First Nations for comment staff are also recommending that the amended project charter

[4:32:21] Voice 15: which has removed Burns Acres Nature Reserve from the project scope be endorsed by the LTC

[4:32:27] Voice 15: see

[4:32:31] Voice 3: questions for the planner i've

[4:32:34] Voice 8: got some comments and a question on the biohazards

[4:32:38] Voice 8: uh if

[4:32:41] Trustee Langereis: you have a question i'd ask a question and if you have is it comments for us or comments

[4:32:45] Trustee Langereis: in

[4:32:46] Voice 8: the checklist i was going through the checklist and on page 99

[4:32:53] Voice 8: does it check beside 4.27 which is really about forestry I just wondered is that really applicable

[4:33:02] Voice 8: or not in this case because it's really talking about the sustainable forestry use I just I

[4:33:08] Voice 8: wanted to actually just say any rather than check mark okay

[4:33:12] Voice 15: I have it up here yeah it's

[4:33:15] Voice 15: it's on

[4:33:15] Voice 8: page 99 of the agenda yes

[4:33:20] Voice 15: yeah you're correct this is this would not be

[4:33:23] Voice 15: for those that type of use yeah so

[4:33:26] Voice 15: that that can be amended changed yeah

[4:33:29] Voice 8: and then on the next page

[4:33:31] Voice 8: on page 100 at the top on 5.13 is this not applicable it says not applicable i just

[4:33:42] Voice 8: wonder if it should be applicable because that's about senior teachers and i started to go through

[4:33:48] Voice 8: and looking at what this is actually saying well how that should i just wanted that should say a

[4:33:51] Voice 8: check mark or not sure i don't know just okay

[4:33:56] Trustee Langereis: we'll give them in that type of check mark yeah

[4:33:59] Voice 8: and then on the next page at 101 uh the top one five five three i'm not sure that's relevant it

[4:34:07] Voice 8: should be na i believe which is about uh casinos yeah

[4:34:13] Voice 15: yeah um yeah i think that's that one was

[4:34:16] Voice 15: It's sort of a given, given the type of zone that this is,

[4:34:22] Voice 15: but I can change that to not applicable as well.

[4:34:25] Voice 8: The same as 555, which is two down.

[4:34:29] Voice 8: This is about moraine and beach access.

[4:34:32] Voice 8: Sure.

[4:34:33] Voice 8: And to me, just to say a name.

[4:34:37] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:34:38] Voice 8: That's just minor.

[4:34:39] Voice 8: My comment really is about the glial on page or my page 103.

[4:34:47] Voice 8: Under section 1.3, where it says you're renumbering D4, adding a D4 for ecological protection,

[4:34:59] Voice 8: and then renumbering, which works except for cross-referencing purposes.

[4:35:06] Voice 8: Because I did a cross-reference check, and the new sections, the current D4 for the D4-5,

[4:35:17] Voice 8: etc are referenced elsewhere in the bylaw on the zoning map legend and on some of the maps

[4:35:26] Voice 8: and then also on section b11c in the bylaw it refers to b47 but that would not be b4a so i

[4:35:35] Voice 8: think there needs to be some cross some changes made and they're cross-referencing okay yeah

[4:35:45] Voice 15: Yeah,

[4:35:45] Voice 8: it's always a danger when you take a section and one section in the middle of a road and change and then change everything else.

[4:35:55] Voice 8: And there's the collateral impacts elsewhere.

[4:35:58] Voice 8: I would be better to not change the number, but add in like a D4, 3, A or something like that.

[4:36:09] Voice 8: Make it a, it's odd, but it just avoids that cross-reference issue.

[4:36:15] Voice 15: Right.

[4:36:16] Trustee Langereis: so that can be cleaned up when we yeah it comes back to third reading

[4:36:20] Voice 8: yeah

[4:36:20] Trustee Langereis: if it comes to sorry i'm assuming it's good those

[4:36:24] Voice 8: are the only otherwise i'm fine with the

[4:36:26] Voice 8: dialogue yeah

[4:36:28] Trustee Colbourne: go ahead um trustee cole i wanted a definition of passive recreation and i was

[4:36:35] Trustee Colbourne: assuming it would be in the ocp of the lub but i haven't been able to find it so that's permitted

[4:36:43] Trustee Colbourne: related accessory uses passive recreation do we have a definition of that um

[4:36:52] Voice 15: not not that I know

[4:36:55] Voice 15: of because

[4:36:56] Trustee Colbourne: active recreation is defined right so

[4:37:00] Voice 7: yeah go ahead

[4:37:02] Voice 7: sorry planner I'm going to jump in

[4:37:04] Voice 7: in the absence of a definition D42 under permitted uses passive outdoor recreational activities

[4:37:13] Voice 7: activities includes walking hiking and nature appreciation where

[4:37:17] Trustee Langereis: it's sort of where is that

[4:37:18] Voice 7: of the

[4:37:24] Trustee Langereis: land use bylaw yeah

[4:37:25] Voice 7: okay and the actual land use bylaw so that in the context of

[4:37:42] Voice 7: it doesn't exclude other uses it's not very good wording because it's including walking

[4:37:49] Voice 7: hiking and nature appreciation but it's not saying that that excludes other options so it's not great

[4:37:57] Voice 7: so

[4:37:58] Trustee Langereis: it's not specific to the zone but it there is this including walking hiking and nature

[4:38:04] Trustee Langereis: yeah

[4:38:05] Voice 17: do

[4:38:07] Trustee Langereis: you you're concerned that you'd like that some definition contained here i

[4:38:12] Trustee Colbourne: think this is the

[4:38:12] Trustee Colbourne: crux of it right this is what separates it from a park you know and and um this this to me could

[4:38:19] Trustee Colbourne: have unintended consequences and and more use of the ecosystem um so i think i think that either

[4:38:33] Trustee Colbourne: has and it could be defined here and be a better purpose elsewhere as well um whether or not that

[4:38:40] Trustee Colbourne: has to be you know something that happens before first reading um maybe this is just something that

[4:38:45] Trustee Colbourne: goes into the works and comes back with third reading um

[4:38:50] Trustee Langereis: some advice on that would be useful

[4:38:51] Trustee Langereis: if we were going to ask for a definition of passive recreation would that be appropriate

[4:38:56] Trustee Langereis: to insert that at third reading or not um

[4:39:00] Voice 7: well

[4:39:05] Trustee Langereis: i was going to ask that question because i i heard

[4:39:07] Trustee Langereis: um the planner indicate that we had passed motion to waive public hearings that i see in the

[4:39:13] Trustee Langereis: business case uh there is reference to a cin public hearing and a cost attachment there was

[4:39:18] Trustee Langereis: a notice in the paper about

[4:39:20] Voice 8: waving that's

[4:39:22] Trustee Langereis: what i thought but then as i said the amended business

[4:39:25] Trustee Langereis: business case has CIM public hearing $1500 and also there's reference in the um in the work

[4:39:32] Trustee Langereis: plan overview for a CIM public hearing so I'm just confused as to whether that's still part

[4:39:39] Trustee Langereis: of the business case or not but sorry not the business case the project charter if it's still

[4:39:45] Trustee Langereis: part of the project charter or not can you help with that uh planner patino um

[4:39:53] Voice 15: uh I can't I can't

[4:39:56] Voice 15: help with that part um i'm wondering if uh heather is still online we we did that portion

[4:40:04] Trustee Langereis: together

[4:40:05] Trustee Langereis: she's still she's there she i think she's coming to join us

[4:40:12] Voice 7: okay i'm here but didn't hear the

[4:40:15] Voice 7: question okay

[4:40:16] Trustee Langereis: so the question well well first of all we were talking about uh about adding

[4:40:22] Trustee Langereis: a definition of passive recreation and whether it would be appropriate or good practice to do that

[4:40:28] Trustee Langereis: a third reading um if we gave it two readings today and then this but the second question which

[4:40:36] Trustee Langereis: which came from from sonya was while you're waving public hearing and i gather we passed a motion

[4:40:41] Trustee Langereis: that we did but it's still in the business case uh not the business case sorry the project charter

[4:40:48] Trustee Langereis: um the public hearing and i just wondered if that was just an oversight that we didn't take it out

[4:40:53] Trustee Langereis: or whether uh and and if we give it two readings today is it appropriate to or should we just give

[4:41:01] Trustee Langereis: it one reading and then ask for a definition of passive passive uh recreation to be added to the

[4:41:07] Trustee Langereis: to the uh to the um to the it's the landing's byline isn't it yeah it's 313 right yeah so

[4:41:20] Trustee Langereis: any advice

[4:41:20] Trustee Langereis: yeah

[4:41:22] Voice 11: i think it is an oversight in the business case sort of the project harder um

[4:41:27] Voice 11: so yeah we can move past the public hearing um i'm assuming if i i don't remember the passive

[4:41:35] Voice 11: recreation is already in there but you're just saying that you want to add a definition for it

[4:41:39] Trustee Langereis: correct there's a restriction and that restricts the use to passive record as one of the permitted

[4:41:46] Trustee Langereis: accessory passive recreation trustee colburn raised the point that we don't have a definition

[4:41:51] Trustee Langereis: of a passive recreation and we then look at the land use bylaw and there's some ancillary language

[4:41:59] Trustee Langereis: which implies what passive recreation but not a real definition of a passport path for

[4:42:04] Trustee Langereis: reputation so i think i think i'm paraphrasing just to keep moving us forward but i think the

[4:42:10] Trustee Langereis: the the comfort zone would be uh would be higher higher with this if there was a definition of

[4:42:18] Trustee Langereis: passive recreation and i don't think it'll

[4:42:20] Trustee Langereis: be complicated i think

[4:42:24] Voice 11: it's okay to add that at

[4:42:25] Voice 11: third reading um the way the reason i asked is because um after oh gosh now oh now this is a

[4:42:35] Voice 11: puzzling question if we didn't have a public hearing does it matter um but i think either

[4:42:42] Voice 11: way if we have a public hearing you would be fine to go ahead and add a definition at third reading

[4:42:48] Voice 11: because you're not adding a type of use that was that was kind of the question i was asking so

[4:42:52] Voice 11: i think you're good to do that and

[4:42:54] Trustee Langereis: are we okay to do this without that and send it out to like the

[4:43:00] Trustee Langereis: the conservancy board and the rdn and the tsunami without that definition actually in the bylaw

[4:43:07] Voice 11: i think so i think so if they have a concern about it we'll definitely hear that from them okay so

[4:43:13] Trustee Colbourne: how would we word that request to have this added before third reading i

[4:43:19] Trustee Langereis: think you just put it under

[4:43:20] Trustee Langereis: number three before number four and five and say put a motion that says that the trust committee

[4:43:27] Trustee Langereis: request staff to provide a uh to include a definition of passive recreation in bylaw number

[4:43:35] Trustee Langereis: three one three for consideration of a local trust fund wouldn't that be all it would take

[4:43:41] Trustee Langereis: before third reading the dean did you yeah sorry i'm just telling you no i'm not

[4:43:52] Voice 7: i'm just suggesting that the conservancy would likely want to weigh in on the definition

[4:44:00] Trustee Langereis: oh because it's their property yeah

[4:44:02] Voice 7: it's kind of a good practice to let the property owner know

[4:44:05] Voice 7: that you're limiting or restricting that use but it does actually affect the rdn as well which has

[4:44:10] Voice 7: parks in that zone that you're now restricting or limiting as well so there are some broader

[4:44:15] Voice 7: referrals i

[4:44:16] Voice 17: don't think we have any parks in the zone anymore so we took burns no no passive

[4:44:20] Voice 7: passive recreation is a zone passive recreation is a zone that the rdm has for regional parks

[4:44:30] Voice 7: and so by defining that your these are broad interests to the referral agencies

[4:44:36] Voice 7: so you might want to wait to refer the definition as well versus assuming that they're going to be

[4:44:45] Voice 7: find that whatever it is that we propose uh so

[4:44:49] Trustee Langereis: just sorry i may have misunderstood something

[4:44:53] Trustee Langereis: is there actually a passage called

[4:44:56] Voice 7: passive recreation those are rdn regional parks yeah

[4:45:04] Voice 7: that's where we're implying that the definition of passive recreation is nature appreciation

[4:45:09] Voice 7: walking trails etc the

[4:45:11] Voice 8: dp2 was

[4:45:12] Voice 7: a bigger issue to create a new definition for passive

[4:45:15] Voice 7: recreation i think it's a good idea but that you should not refer to the agencies until you have

[4:45:25] Voice 7: that inserted into the rylo we

[4:45:28] Trustee Colbourne: can do first and second reading and put forward the motion to do

[4:45:33] Trustee Colbourne: that definition and then that next that referral could happen prior to third just by the next local

[4:45:39] Trustee Colbourne: trust committee or yeah

[4:45:41] Voice 9: but

[4:45:43] Trustee Langereis: why would we do more than first yeah it's just easy i just find it

[4:45:48] Trustee Langereis: easier to make amendments after first reading that after second reading i just think it's a little

[4:45:52] Trustee Langereis: cleaner

[4:45:53] Voice 14: um

[4:45:54] Trustee Langereis: but

[4:45:55] Voice 17: you're

[4:45:56] Voice 7: fully confident that the bylaw is in substantively the form that it will

[4:46:00] Voice 7: be when it's adopted to

[4:46:02] Trustee Colbourne: me the definition of passive recreation is what differentiates it

[4:46:05] Trustee Colbourne: and makes it a more protective ecological piece so that to me that's the one thing that's

[4:46:10] Trustee Colbourne: spill there and

[4:46:11] Voice 7: that that's not a small thing to spell out considering it has ramifications

[4:46:15] Voice 7: for an existing zone other uses other part right so all i'm identifying is that i don't think the

[4:46:23] Voice 7: referral agencies should be left out of that discussion yeah

[4:46:27] Trustee Langereis: right and i think that's a good

[4:46:30] Trustee Langereis: caution given that there is a possible recovery and that definitions unless you said passive

[4:46:37] Trustee Langereis: recreation in this section means but still even that might

[4:46:41] Voice 7: that would be good practice

[4:46:42] Voice 7: would

[4:46:43] Trustee Langereis: not be good practice no

[4:46:45] Voice 7: no that's not how you should write a land use file no good thing

[4:46:49] Voice 7: you're not a planner um

[4:46:54] Trustee Langereis: okay so how far do you think we should go given we're going to ask for

[4:47:01] Trustee Langereis: that yeah first

[4:47:02] Voice 7: right yeah

[4:47:03] Trustee Langereis: so if we give it first reading and then we pass that motion that i sort

[4:47:09] Trustee Langereis: or gave the dean then we're okay okay okay

[4:47:14] Trustee Colbourne: so uh do you want me to start this process yeah uh i

[4:47:17] Trustee Colbourne: move that the gabriel island local trust committee has reviewed the honest trust policy statement

[4:47:20] Trustee Colbourne: director's only checklist and determined that bylaw number 313 cited as gabriel island land use

[4:47:25] Trustee Colbourne: bylaw 1999 amendments number one 2022 as amended it is not contrary to or at variance with the

[4:47:33] Trustee Colbourne: island stress policy statement

[4:47:34] Voice 8: exactly yeah i'll

[4:47:35] Trustee Langereis: call a vote all in favor that passes

[4:47:37] Trustee Colbourne: i'll do

[4:47:41] Voice 8: that okay i moved that the cable island local trust committee by all 313

[4:47:45] Voice 8: cited as cable island land use bylaw 1999 number one 2022 we were the first time

[4:47:52] Trustee Langereis: second

[4:47:53] Trustee Langereis: any further discussion no all in favor that passes unanimously and then i think we go to the motion

[4:47:59] Trustee Langereis: motion that that Nadine probably has there the

[4:48:02] Voice 12: Gabriel Island local trust committee request staff

[4:48:05] Voice 12: to the definition of passive recreation included in the Gabriel Island local trust committee by

[4:48:11] Voice 12: law number 313 cited as Gabriel Island land use by law 1999 amendment number 120.

[4:48:19] Trustee Langereis: okay so that's

[4:48:20] Trustee Langereis: your motion then you'll second it all in favor that passes now what should we do now we should

[4:48:26] Trustee Langereis: we should wait till we adopt that amendment before we refer it out don't you think could

[4:48:30] Trustee Colbourne: we do the project charter as amended yeah would it take to remove the um reference to the public

[4:48:35] Trustee Colbourne: hearing yeah yeah

[4:48:38] Voice 7: i

[4:48:39] Trustee Langereis: think i think again but i think we should just skip four for the moment

[4:48:43] Trustee Langereis: until we see a definition yeah um

[4:48:45] Trustee Langereis: pass apart okay so then yes the gabriel endorse project

[4:48:50] Trustee Langereis: project charter version five as amendment on the ecological section okay I'll second that okay all

[4:48:57] Trustee Langereis: in favor it's not passes I think that's all we need on this so the process would be you'll do

[4:49:02] Trustee Langereis: a draft either this local trust committee or the next one when it gets a chance to look at

[4:49:08] Trustee Langereis: the definition of passive part amend the the bylaws and send it out for referral to the various

[4:49:14] Trustee Langereis: various agencies for their input on the definitions possible or passive recreation not possible thanks

[4:49:20] Trustee Langereis: very much uh there's no delegations we've had some correspondence uh we have a

[4:49:27] Trustee Langereis: three-year plan

[4:49:27] Trustee Langereis: briefing from the island stretch Conservancy I've seen this a number of times some local trust

[4:49:32] Trustee Langereis: committees have um uh basically passed a motion to indicate their support for the three-year plan

[4:49:40] Trustee Langereis: it's up to you which and how you'd like to deal with this

[4:49:45] Voice 8: you

[4:49:46] Trustee Langereis: just want to receive it for information okay yeah uh the next is the correspondence or

[4:49:52] Trustee Langereis: the letter from uh on 133 and 134 uh which is the um uh from jenny kwan and lisa marie baron

[4:50:04] Trustee Langereis: does someone want to speak i don't know who put this on the agenda so if you want to speak to it

[4:50:08] Trustee Langereis: please do um i did

[4:50:11] Trustee Colbourne: not did you trust me sir

[4:50:13] Voice 8: did you put this on the agenda uh no i didn't but i

[4:50:15] Voice 8: agree with what yeah proposed on the rights and uh it came too late for us to vote on it because

[4:50:22] Voice 8: we did a couple days before the deadline correct

[4:50:25] Trustee Langereis: i remember that yeah we got it and i i know you

[4:50:28] Trustee Langereis: know what now i remember we got it and i said put it on our agenda but there's nothing we can do

[4:50:33] Trustee Langereis: because they gave us a deadline of about 38 hours after we received the email yeah yeah

[4:50:39] Voice 8: we

[4:50:39] Trustee Colbourne: don't work that fast

[4:50:40] Trustee Langereis: but

[4:50:41] Voice 8: what she's proposing both of them are absolutely needed yeah to get

[4:50:47] Voice 8: investment corporations and housing yeah

[4:50:51] Trustee Langereis: yeah that's right there there's no deadline to sign

[4:50:54] Trustee Langereis: this letter is monday september 12th do you want to do anything with this other than receiving the

[4:50:58] Trustee Langereis: the letters no i i at

[4:51:02] Trustee Colbourne: this point i think this becomes advocacy and we're doing our own work

[4:51:05] Voice 8: comment well

[4:51:06] Trustee Colbourne: i'd like to see a

[4:51:07] Voice 8: comment that i agree with what's being proposed by the mps yeah

[4:51:11] Voice 8: comment

[4:51:12] Trustee Langereis: what recorded in the minutes yeah okay so we can record that in a minute

[4:51:16] Voice 8: yeah

[4:51:17] Trustee Langereis: i agree with it okay so both all trustees agree with what's being created okay so here we

[4:51:23] Trustee Langereis: are october 27th local trust committee meeting um uh i'm i i don't know how you feel trusting

[4:51:34] Trustee Langereis: along i'd wander as trustee coleman's made it clear that he'd like to have another meeting

[4:51:38] Trustee Langereis: we've had the representation from the uh gabriel housing society that and i never did ask a

[4:51:44] Trustee Langereis: question or i didn't i do would you actually think those applications would be ready for

[4:51:50] Trustee Langereis: the october 27th meeting if we uh um if we actually have a meeting the ones from the

[4:51:56] Trustee Langereis: gabriel housing society

[4:51:57] Voice 7: yeah okay

[4:52:00] Trustee Langereis: so i just want to make sure the factual framework that

[4:52:04] Trustee Langereis: i'm under which we have this discussion

[4:52:05] Voice 7: we might have other applications as well that

[4:52:08] Voice 7: are in the hopper that we're sort of anticipating possibly one of that meeting as well so

[4:52:13] Voice 7: um yeah we're ready to go

[4:52:17] Voice 7: so trustee

[4:52:19] Trustee Langereis: colburn said earlier in the meeting he'd like to have

[4:52:22] Trustee Langereis: an in-person meeting the 27th um i have to talk to the director of planning as to what his view

[4:52:29] Trustee Langereis: is why it can't be in person i think we think he may not be understanding that staff is actually

[4:52:35] Trustee Langereis: actually on the island but I don't know what you feel about this trustee Langer as in person or

[4:52:41] Trustee Langereis: or at all

[4:52:42] Trustee Langereis: we start with the idea of having a meeting at all

[4:52:45] Voice 8: I've mixed feelings about it

[4:52:47] Voice 8: some ways it's if it's just finishing up some stuff my plan is that one of the advantages I

[4:52:53] Voice 8: was thinking that we didn't have it is that we could maybe get transition to a period where we

[4:53:00] Voice 8: get the minutes and the agenda two to three weeks before rather than a week i find getting agendas

[4:53:08] for all our meetings a week before really problematic because it just jams you up

[4:53:13] Voice 8: especially because other community meetings and i mean the minutes are done within

[4:53:18] Voice 8: totally within seven days of a meeting and then if we have an agenda two weeks before the meeting

[4:53:26] Voice 8: then we've got more time and then once you transition to that two-week period

[4:53:31] Voice 8: each the meetings have the same amount it's just that one one transition period right

[4:53:37] Voice 8: because that was the advantage i was thinking about that because i hate getting

[4:53:41] Voice 8: meeting minutes on or the agenda on thursday or friday before the meeting on thursday

[4:53:47] Voice 8: it's uh to me it seems not enough time and you know the public season on friday the following

[4:53:55] Voice 8: next thursday i it's one of the just the administrative processes yeah and i know

[4:54:01] Voice 8: right now just things are in the hopper and every meeting they come forward but we can somehow

[4:54:06] Voice 8: jump for one time just maybe not for this next meeting but in the next local trust committee

[4:54:14] Voice 8: is rather than putting the agenda out a week before put out two weeks before right

[4:54:19] Trustee Langereis: so you

[4:54:20] Trustee Langereis: you know that the local trust committee can't change that practice there's policy

[4:54:24] Trustee Langereis: at the trust about i don't put all of this about how when the agendas get developed and when they

[4:54:29] Trustee Langereis: get well that should be changed

[4:54:30] Voice 8: because i i guess that's for something for the governance committee

[4:54:34] Voice 8: well

[4:54:34] Trustee Langereis: i think it i think it is and i think you would find when if you talk to staff about how

[4:54:39] Trustee Langereis: long before they have to get their reports in and like they they basically get it in two weeks

[4:54:46] Trustee Langereis: weeks before our meeting and then it takes a week to process the thing etc so there's a there's a

[4:54:51] Trustee Langereis: timeline already built into this whole thing so anyway but my point is isn't that you're wrong

[4:54:56] Trustee Langereis: and I'm not saying you are wrong I'm just saying that I don't think this LTC can change that

[4:55:01] Trustee Langereis: practice that's a that's an administrative policy of the trust around when when the packages are

[4:55:09] Trustee Langereis: prepared so um you can make a what I'm going to do I'm just going to tell you one of the things

[4:55:15] Trustee Langereis: i'm going to do as i leave my role is i'm going to write some recommendation letters to the next

[4:55:22] Trustee Langereis: group trust like the ec and to the various things i'm just going to say here's my thoughts about

[4:55:27] Trustee Langereis: some of these things and things you might want to consider doing you should feel free to do the same

[4:55:31] Trustee Langereis: and that would be one of them yeah um let's go back to whether you're whether you think it's

[4:55:37] Trustee Langereis: okay to hold a meeting on october the 27th um to consider as i kept track perhaps the referral back

[4:55:46] Trustee Langereis: from the apc about the the rwm uh perhaps a discussion about emergency services if you're

[4:55:52] Trustee Langereis: ready and um and then perhaps the application that the the uh the applications from the gabriel housing

[4:56:03] Trustee Langereis: housing society and there might have been something else that i've forgotten that's

[4:56:06] Trustee Langereis: sort of sitting out there that we didn't decide today

[4:56:08] Voice 7: sorry

[4:56:11] Trustee Langereis: i can't hear you the

[4:56:12] Voice 7: biology permit

[4:56:13] Voice 7: yeah

[4:56:13] Trustee Langereis: that's the that's the rwm i'm just calling into this it's not rwm um sorry a standing

[4:56:19] Trustee Langereis: resolution that's what i'm talking about will there be a potential for the development

[4:56:23] Trustee Langereis: approval information bylaw

[4:56:24] Trustee Langereis: i don't know it's

[4:56:28] Voice 8: on it's on the

[4:56:29] Trustee Langereis: project list we just the top priorities list we just

[4:56:31] Trustee Langereis: approved yeah

[4:56:32] Voice 8: no

[4:56:33] Trustee Langereis: we just approved it at this meeting oh yeah the top priority that's number

[4:56:38] Trustee Langereis: two i don't know where it's at i

[4:56:40] Trustee Langereis: don't know the

[4:56:42] Trustee Colbourne: other thing is that because of scheduling

[4:56:44] Trustee Colbourne: you know the next ltc is will be pushed back as well so there's oh yeah

[4:56:48] Trustee Colbourne: there's a large gap

[4:56:49] Trustee Colbourne: in between this meeting and potentially into late november december that's

[4:56:54] Trustee Langereis: true i mean so that's

[4:56:57] Trustee Colbourne: it's

[4:56:57] Trustee Langereis: just failure devil advocate the argument against it is is that of course there will be

[4:57:01] Trustee Langereis: two new trustees elected at that point and we the old expression of lame doc right but i but we yeah

[4:57:09] Trustee Langereis: but we do have business we're conducting and we're still we're still the properly constituted local

[4:57:14] Trustee Langereis: trust committee i'm prepared to do whatever you two guys two trustees would like to do um and i

[4:57:21] Trustee Langereis: i could if and i know i heard you say you'd like to do it in person it's a really no never mind

[4:57:27] Trustee Langereis: to meet one way or the other, whether it's in person

[4:57:29] Trustee Langereis: or whether it's virtual.

[4:57:32] Trustee Langereis: So make

[4:57:33] Trustee Langereis: your pitch.

[4:57:34] Voice 8: I have no problem

[4:57:35] Voice 8: with it being virtual or in person.

[4:57:37] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[4:57:38] Trustee Langereis: And you do? I prefer

[4:57:41] Trustee Langereis: in person. Oh, goodbye.

[4:57:43] Trustee Langereis: Heather's saying goodbye.

[4:57:44] Trustee Langereis: Thank you for your support.

[4:57:46] Trustee Langereis: I guess we hit 3.30 and that's

[4:57:49] Trustee Langereis: our...

[4:57:50] Trustee Langereis: She's got something sketched in which she has sent me

[4:57:53] Trustee Langereis: an email.

[4:57:55] Trustee Langereis: Are you

[4:57:55] Trustee Langereis: signing off? Yeah.

[4:57:59] Voice 11: i am i

[4:58:00] Trustee Langereis: think you should come back for the october 27th meeting

[4:58:03] Voice 7: no way

[4:58:07] Trustee Langereis: all right well i gather you have another commitment thank you very much

[4:58:11] Trustee Langereis: for helping us through some of these challenging and thanks for

[4:58:15] Trustee Langereis: your work that you've done at

[4:58:17] Trustee Langereis: trust council actually your report or reporting around the rpc and the various how we do our

[4:58:22] Trustee Langereis: project work etc i haven't always embraced it fully but it's been excellent work so

[4:58:28] Trustee Langereis: so thanks very much thank

[4:58:30] Voice 11: you i've really enjoyed working with you all

[4:58:34] Voice 11: good

[4:58:35] Trustee Langereis: luck okay so i'm hearing that you're okay having a meeting and you're okay with it you

[4:58:40] Trustee Langereis: don't care if it's in person or uh or we just

[4:58:43] Trustee Colbourne: schedule a meeting and you know but we will have

[4:58:47] Trustee Langereis: to pass them if you're gonna i think if we want to virtually we have to pass a motion to do it

[4:58:51] Trustee Langereis: virtually going i can't remember what the new bylaws say yes

[4:58:56] Voice 7: i need a resolution if it's it

[4:58:59] Voice 8: if it's if it's virtual will people be able to participate yes

[4:59:03] Trustee Langereis: they will i think that's the idea

[4:59:04] Trustee Langereis: yeah

[4:59:05] Trustee Colbourne: i'd want it to be a meeting where people could i think

[4:59:10] Voice 14: we just schedule a meeting

[4:59:11] Trustee Colbourne: and i don't understand the rationale for electronic only i think that would apply to

[4:59:15] Trustee Colbourne: where planners have to travel but on an island with an office here like you say there's actually

[4:59:21] Trustee Colbourne: not that much difference between there's some venue costs but you and i have zero expenses

[4:59:25] Trustee Colbourne: for the entire four-year term so we can we can pay that forward okay well

[4:59:30] Trustee Langereis: i don't think

[4:59:30] Trustee Langereis: i

[4:59:30] Trustee Colbourne: don't

[4:59:34] Trustee Langereis: think we have to do anything because the meeting has already been set we've already passed

[4:59:38] Trustee Langereis: a motion to have the meeting so we can just have we just have it and if it it turns out that

[4:59:43] Trustee Langereis: But somehow or other, somebody with more influence than I have tells us we really should cancel it.

[4:59:51] Trustee Langereis: We'll have to pass a motion to cancel it.

[4:59:53] Trustee Colbourne: It's a practice issue, but local governments, you serve your term up until you're

[4:59:58] Trustee Langereis: done, and they meet up until that time.

[5:00:00] Trustee Colbourne: I think it's good to have people who are experienced with files doing as much work on those files as they can.

[5:00:04] Trustee Langereis: So we don't

[5:00:05] Trustee Langereis: need to do anything on 13.3 because the meeting's already set.

[5:00:09] Trustee Langereis: So then is there a climate change update from anybody?

[5:00:15] Trustee Langereis: No, just the active transportation corridor.

[5:00:18] Trustee Langereis: Thanks for that.

[5:00:18] Trustee Langereis: And thank you for taking that because that was a big piece of work.

[5:00:22] Trustee Langereis: It was interesting.

[5:00:23] Trustee Langereis: I was thinking about the other day, I'm waiting for the day that Gondola goes in.

[5:00:29] Trustee Langereis: no because

[5:00:30] Voice 7: i was thinking

[5:00:31] Trustee Langereis: about it is there's other places in the world where that's occurred

[5:00:34] Trustee Langereis: right and i was thinking of the north shore in north vancouver and why wouldn't you do that

[5:00:39] Trustee Langereis: rather than build more tarmac um i don't know whether it's practical but first nations

[5:00:43] Trustee Langereis: relationship building anything that we haven't already talked about no okay

[5:00:48] Trustee Langereis: uh then there's a

[5:00:49] Trustee Langereis: short report from the island's trust conservancy thank you for your work with the island's trust

[5:00:54] Trustee Langereis: conservancy they do fabulous work around the area and the applications report are there any

[5:01:03] Trustee Langereis: questions related to the applications report no no uh there's the expenses and no questions related

[5:01:10] Trustee Langereis: that adopted policies and standing resolutions and just so you anybody who's watching might know

[5:01:16] Trustee Langereis: because i had some questions about you know what a standing motion it's not a standing motion it's

[5:01:21] Trustee Langereis: a standing resolution and it's a direction basically as to how the uh how staff should

[5:01:28] Trustee Langereis: implement certain things and how things work in the organization it's a common practice around

[5:01:33] Trustee Langereis: the trust um top priorities report we've already been through that uh the project we've already

[5:01:40] Trustee Langereis: question

[5:01:40] Voice 8: on the project report oh i think i'll do the next meeting but i just wanted to

[5:01:45] Voice 8: to remind myself bernard's acres should be added to the project oh right

[5:01:54] Trustee Langereis: yeah well i don't know how

[5:01:56] Trustee Langereis: that's because i i'm sort of lost is what the issue is there we

[5:02:01] Voice 8: couldn't do it because we

[5:02:03] Voice 8: there's no cp change for bernard's acres i see so

[5:02:06] Voice 8: we couldn't wait i see

[5:02:08] Trustee Langereis: uh so do you want to add it

[5:02:10] Trustee Langereis: to the project it

[5:02:11] Trustee Colbourne: should be captured somewhere because okay

[5:02:13] Trustee Langereis: well why don't you move that they

[5:02:15] Trustee Langereis: that burns acres being added to the ecological protection zone be added to the project

[5:02:22] Voice 7: burns acres being added to the ecological

[5:02:26] Trustee Langereis: protection zone

[5:02:31] Trustee Langereis: okay um i have a couple of reports of letters just so you know uh we wrote we had three letters

[5:02:39] Trustee Langereis: go out in the um uh to to after our last meeting one went to the yeah the first one to the name

[5:02:50] Trustee Langereis: nanaimo air clerk commission regarding flights over gabriola that letter went out it's in the

[5:02:55] Trustee Langereis: package um i don't believe we received a response to it um uh i i wish director craig was still

[5:03:04] Trustee Langereis: there because she may have no more than i do because i think she sits on that body but um

[5:03:09] Trustee Langereis: it did go um the word letter to tell us went and sorry i'm looking at my notes here because i had

[5:03:17] Trustee Langereis: a call from a gentleman called brian daniel uh who is their manager of environmental protection

[5:03:24] Trustee Langereis: he said that told me that um that they consulted with in response they consulted with their

[5:03:30] Trustee Langereis: vegetation consultant and they talked with the the owner of the well um they said there was no

[5:03:37] Trustee Langereis: no uh there there seemed to be no um impact on the water and the well from tests that

[5:03:44] Trustee Langereis: were done they have agreed to cease use on that property and another property on gabriola

[5:03:50] Trustee Langereis: no need to use herbicides we were moving towards a mechanical vegetation control and we're

[5:03:57] Trustee Langereis: examining doing that for the whole the islands trust area um what we felt what we were doing

[5:04:03] Trustee Langereis: doing was within the regulations uh we have decided to stop doing it um um they said it

[5:04:11] Trustee Langereis: was a very small quantity uh it was a small application so going forward they will not do

[5:04:16] Trustee Langereis: it any longer and I asked them to send me a uh confirming correspondence to that we did from

[5:04:23] Trustee Langereis: from telus oh

[5:04:24] Voice 8: yeah i saw it i

[5:04:26] Trustee Langereis: don't think so sure

[5:04:27] Voice 8: i didn't plan on saying that

[5:04:29] Voice 8: i think

[5:04:31] Trustee Colbourne: that was the first correspondence back i think this is a substitute oh

[5:04:35] Trustee Langereis: yeah uh the other

[5:04:38] Trustee Langereis: question is we we is that the regarding float planes over here gabriel island uh and we did

[5:04:45] Trustee Langereis: get that email that didn't that's in the package from back from the gentleman who is the captain

[5:04:51] Trustee Langereis: or the kind of the NIMO Harbor Commission indicating

[5:04:56] Trustee Langereis: that their study shows that subject to safety considerations

[5:05:02] Trustee Langereis: that at least Harbor Air was operating

[5:05:04] Trustee Langereis: within the regulations.

[5:05:06] Trustee Langereis: That's what I, I'm paraphrasing his email,

[5:05:09] Trustee Langereis: but that's what he basically said.

[5:05:11] Trustee Langereis: Are there anything you'd like to do with any of those three?

[5:05:13] Trustee Colbourne: No, we unearthed the, really thanks to the staff.

[5:05:16] Trustee Colbourne: We've been kind of referencing a letter

[5:05:17] Trustee Colbourne: and some operating procedures

[5:05:19] Trustee Colbourne: that the IAMS Trust has done previously.

[5:05:21] Trustee Colbourne: So we now have that in this agenda package.

[5:05:23] Trustee Colbourne: My open question is whether or not

[5:05:25] Trustee Colbourne: that's still reviewed by active pilots.

[5:05:28] Trustee Colbourne: It just seems like it's something they printed out.

[5:05:30] Trustee Colbourne: I'm not sure it's actually a part of their operations,

[5:05:37] Trustee Colbourne: but it's good to see that they've at least acknowledged

[5:05:40] Trustee Colbourne: that in their flight plans.

[5:05:42] Trustee Colbourne: In practice, it still feels like

[5:05:43] Trustee Colbourne: they're flying over here a lot.

[5:05:45] Trustee Colbourne: Could be private planes, yeah.

[5:05:47] Trustee Colbourne: yeah anything

[5:05:51] Trustee Langereis: anything you'd like to further take action taking on those three things

[5:05:54] Trustee Langereis: no it's great news but there was a lot yeah okay

[5:05:59] Voice 8: nothing okay the only other thing we should i

[5:06:02] Voice 8: like we might defer to the next meeting as the minutes i'll try to deal with it now

[5:06:07] Voice 8: oh yeah

[5:06:08] Trustee Langereis: if we can defer approval of those minutes uh from the last meeting till the next meeting and

[5:06:15] Trustee Langereis: i'll have a look at the video because we just need to technically get that right as to whether it was

[5:06:20] Trustee Langereis: a motion or not the next regular scheduled meeting is thursday october 27th that is currently

[5:06:25] Trustee Langereis: scheduled with the arts and heritage center um and now we have to go into camera briefly we have a

[5:06:32] Trustee Langereis: to appoint members to the board of variance so i want to really thank all of you it may not be the

[5:06:39] Trustee Langereis: last time i see you um well there's only three left and so uh but all of

[5:06:44] Voice 8: you online as well

[5:06:46] Trustee Langereis: thank you very much for sticking in with us if someone can read the motion

[5:06:53] Voice 8: that the meeting be closed in accordance with the committee charter part four

[5:06:58] Voice 8: inclusion

[5:06:58] Voice 8: thank you

[5:07:13] Trustee Langereis: very much for anybody watching the recording i'm going to stop the recording now

[5:07:20] Trustee Langereis: and stop the live stream thank you very much for just seeing some of you on october 22nd