Denman Island Local Trust Committee public hearing, October 6, 2022

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[0:00:19] Voice 6: good to go all right so all

[0:00:25] Trustee Fast (probable): right then welcome everybody to the um special uh meeting

[0:00:30] Trustee Fast (probable): of the um denman island local trust committee um i'm sorry this is a a meeting that's just

[0:00:38] Trustee Fast (probable): to cover one topic so it'll be a that's why it's called a special meeting we'll be discussing the

[0:00:44] Trustee Fast (probable): denman island farming regulations review project so i want to begin by acknowledging that we're

[0:00:50] Trustee Fast (probable): We're fortunate to be able to gather today from locations all across the traditional territory of Coast Salish peoples.

[0:00:56] Trustee Fast (probable): And this meeting is in particular about the, especially the Comox First Nation.

[0:01:05] Trustee Fast (probable): So I want to say I'm Sue Ellen Fast, elected on Bowen Island, also called Kualakam, and chair of the Denman Island Local Trust Committee, because I'm on the executive committee.

[0:01:16] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm joined today by Denman Island trustees Laura Bushekin and trustee David Critchley.

[0:01:23] Trustee Fast (probable): There he is.

[0:01:24] Trustee Fast (probable): And together we make up the Denman Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:29] Trustee Fast (probable): This meeting is being conducted electronically, obviously, so hopefully people are watching it on live stream.

[0:01:34] Trustee Fast (probable): And it's also being recorded, so you may be watching it as a recording.

[0:01:40] Trustee Fast (probable): And if you're watching on live stream, you can find the recording at the Islands Trust website later.

[0:01:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Excuse me for a moment.

[0:01:47] Trustee Fast (probable): um we have some staff members joining us today um marlis mccarger is our planner there she is

[0:01:57] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh vicky bachman is our minute taker there's vicky our professional minute taker because this

[0:02:03] Trustee Fast (probable): is a formal meeting and uh the minutes will be posted to the website later uh after the local

[0:02:10] Trustee Fast (probable): trust committee adopts them and will cottingham is joining is uh hosting our meeting uh thank you

[0:02:15] Trustee Fast (probable): will and uh this is a zoom meeting and uh this meeting is an official forum for your local trust

[0:02:20] Trustee Fast (probable): committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business

[0:02:24] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh it's also a place of employment and uh so we will have a uh lovely meeting together

[0:02:32] Trustee Fast (probable): so um then i'd like to move on to the uh approval of the agenda uh trustees is this okay the way it

[0:02:39] Trustee Fast (probable): is or do we need to add anything seeing nothing

[0:02:43] Trustee Fast (probable): it's good seeing nothing i'll we'll adopt it by

[0:02:46] Trustee Fast (probable): consent thank you uh formally calling the meeting to order it's all recording good very good and um

[0:02:53] Trustee Fast (probable): we'll one business item today and this is the uh denman island farm farming regulations review

[0:02:59] Trustee Fast (probable): project staff report so i'm going to turn it over now to uh planner mccarger please go ahead marlis

[0:03:05] Trustee Fast (probable): Hi.

[0:03:07] Planner McCargar (probable): Thanks, everyone. I'll just give a pretty brief summary of this report. We met at the last

[0:03:15] Planner McCargar (probable): Denman Local Trust Committee on September 27th and discussed the bylaws at length at that meeting.

[0:03:24] Planner McCargar (probable): The first reading was rescinded. So first reading of this Bylaw 228 Official Community Plan

[0:03:33] Planner McCargar (probable): amendment bylaw was initially given first reading in 2018 and then the project was kind of put on

[0:03:41] Planner McCargar (probable): pause and reinvigorated this year and then a number of changes have been made so that was

[0:03:47] Planner McCargar (probable): first reading was rescinded and the LTC discussed a number of changes to make to that bylaw so you

[0:03:55] Planner McCargar (probable): You can see them in the report there.

[0:03:59] Planner McCargar (probable): And then moving to the By-law 229, which is the land use by-law amendment, that first reading of that was rescinded at the last meeting.

[0:04:09] Planner McCargar (probable): A number of changes were discussed and resolutions were passed for a variety of amendments that you can see in the report there.

[0:04:18] Planner McCargar (probable): The amendments have now been made. So I'm presenting the bylaws back to the LTC with the recommendation that they're given first reading and second reading and that referrals are made to the agencies that are listed.

[0:04:37] Planner McCargar (probable): There's a number of agencies and First Nations listed in the report there.

[0:04:43] Planner McCargar (probable): So referrals would go out and then direction to schedule a public hearing and community information meeting after the referral response period is complete.

[0:04:57] Trustee Fast (probable): OK, I have one question on the right behind the word background.

[0:05:06] Trustee Fast (probable): It says September 27, 2022. And I think that might have been July. Should that be July?

[0:05:12] Planner McCargar (probable): So there was, there was a special meeting held in July 27th, 2022, where we, these bylaws were first presented, they weren't given any

[0:05:22] Planner McCargar (probable): readings at that time, there was likely

[0:05:24] Planner McCargar (probable): discussion, and then at the last meeting, which was September 27th.

[0:05:30] Planner McCargar (probable): That's the

[0:05:30] Trustee Fast (probable): one I wasn't at, that's why I don't have notes. Okay, thank you very much. Yeah. Okay, good. That was my only question. Are there questions for the planner? Trustees?

[0:05:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes. Okay, go ahead, David Critchley.

[0:05:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): Thank you. So I've got a number of things that I just wanted to check, check in on and make sure that we're on the same page and doing, writing what we're intending.

[0:05:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): So first of all, I'll start on page 23 of the agenda.

[0:06:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): Paragraph 1.8 down at the bottom.

[0:06:02] Trustee Critchley (probable): And the second dot, it says, this is talking about minimum setbacks from the natural boundary of the sea.

[0:06:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): The second one says 30 meters for buildings and structures, comma, including fencing, comma, associated with agriculture, comma, except for a fence or used to accommodate domestic animals other than household pets.

[0:06:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'm just really having difficulty understanding that one where it says including fencing and says except for a fence.

[0:06:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): Is that right?

[0:06:37] Trustee Critchley (probable): right my

[0:06:42] Planner McCargar (probable): read of this is 30 meters for buildings and structures including fencing associated with

[0:06:49] Planner McCargar (probable): agriculture and then except for a fence used to accommodate domesticated animals other than

[0:06:57] Planner McCargar (probable): household pets so perhaps i think they're two different or

[0:07:05] Voice 6: should the word or come out

[0:07:11] Voice 6: yes trustee bushegan

[0:07:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah that a good catch because i feel like i went through this with

[0:07:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a fine-tooth comb but i didn't catch that because if you look at above and i know it doesn't have

[0:07:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to be the same but the setbacks just above that the three bullets to do with the natural boundary

[0:07:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): under the stream or lake, it simply has that same phrase, but this, the including fencing

[0:07:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): isn't there. And I believe that was the, I mean, I remember discussing this like five years ago and

[0:07:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that fencing would be allowed because farm, I just remember farmers being, oh, well, it's the

[0:07:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the sea here i yeah farmers saying well we already there's actually fencing already up

[0:08:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and animals graze and i think that they're allowed to like the the ministry of ag allows them to do

[0:08:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that to you know have a fence and graze animals and i'm kind of thinking when in doubt consistency

[0:08:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is good so the bullet for one the bullets for 1.7 and 1.8 yeah i i know that's not very conclusive

[0:08:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm just not sure. And I don't think just taking the or is necessarily correct because it might include buildings and structures used to accommodate domesticated animals other than household pets.

[0:08:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So I guess if I can sum up all that. Sorry, it was a little rambly.

[0:08:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): my preference without having more background information is to take out the words including

[0:08:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): fencing and make it the same as what we do for the streams lakes and wetlands the streams and lakes

[0:09:03] Voice 6: so you you're suggesting making

[0:09:10] Trustee Fast (probable): the middle bullet the same in 1.7 and 1.8 yeah but does that address

[0:09:17] Trustee Fast (probable): your issue david because you're yes

[0:09:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): i think it would um and it's just a matter of what was the

[0:09:25] Trustee Critchley (probable): intention there i found that confusing between those two um especially the second one that i

[0:09:30] Trustee Critchley (probable): pointed out there i just couldn't really make make sense of it and see the

[0:09:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): intent so unless there's

[0:09:37] Trustee Critchley (probable): um perhaps uh planner mccarter could uh enlighten us as to why there would be a difference between

[0:09:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): 1.7 and 1.8 in respect of fencing i

[0:09:51] Planner McCargar (probable): don't have the rationale for for why this this one is the

[0:09:56] Planner McCargar (probable): the way it is so i'm wondering if it is a you know possibly a mistake um yeah no

[0:10:06] Trustee Fast (probable): i think that's a

[0:10:06] Trustee Fast (probable): good catch which um wording uh do we prefer or do we want to take a five minute break and let

[0:10:15] Trustee Fast (probable): um marlis look at this or let's go through them all and then see whether we need to take a break

[0:10:20] Trustee Fast (probable): for uh a little bit of um uh careful thought as to the as to the wording so what do you have next

[0:10:28] Trustee Fast (probable): David sure

[0:10:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): so just to summarize my preference off the top unless there's some other rationale

[0:10:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): would be to do as trustee beshaken has suggested and that is to make 1.8 the same as 1.7

[0:10:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): but moving on let me have a look down here okay so on page 25

[0:10:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): um the about in the middle there's table nine conditions of use and my question is about

[0:11:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): question marks the little boxes for r1 r2 r3 are shown as little question marks in a box

[0:11:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): are

[0:11:14] Trustee Fast (probable): they supposed to be check

[0:11:15] Trustee Fast (probable): marks yeah

[0:11:16] Planner McCargar (probable): there was um this is something that trustee bouchakin

[0:11:20] Planner McCargar (probable): can also picked up and it was a formatting issue so there are a couple of kind of typo

[0:11:28] Planner McCargar (probable): clerical issues those are supposed to be check marks you'll see it there and then there's a table

[0:11:35] Planner McCargar (probable): down yes i did

[0:11:37] Trustee Critchley (probable): notice it elsewhere yeah

[0:11:38] Planner McCargar (probable): so um that will be that will be corrected

[0:11:41] Planner McCargar (probable): it

[0:11:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): all right thank you okay

[0:11:45] Planner McCargar (probable): um

[0:11:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): also on page 25 this is again it's just a little formatting thing

[0:11:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): but if you could make a note of it um under table one permitted uses number 12 um the secondary

[0:12:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): suite doesn't seem to line up with number 12 quite so well i don't know

[0:12:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): if you can fix that

[0:12:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): so i

[0:12:08] Planner McCargar (probable): see that that that would be fixed when it's up with consolidated but i'll make a note of that

[0:12:12] Planner McCargar (probable): okay

[0:12:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): yeah um similarly on the next page then at the top table two item seven um the the checks

[0:12:25] Trustee Critchley (probable): aren't in a line and i'm assuming that they should be there's no reason for them not to be in a line

[0:12:30] Trustee Critchley (probable): like the correct

[0:12:33] Planner McCargar (probable): correct yeah those those will get fixed when it gets consolidated as well

[0:12:37] Planner McCargar (probable): okay

[0:12:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): uh yes and then on on the next page yeah there's the question mark there again under item

[0:12:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): and five, table three.

[0:12:52] Voice 6: Hang

[0:12:52] Trustee Fast (probable): on, I don't see that.

[0:12:53] Trustee Fast (probable): What page is that?

[0:12:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): Page 26.

[0:12:57] Voice 6: Oh, I've gone ahead.

[0:12:58] Voice 6: Table three, number five.

[0:13:01] Voice 6: Gotcha, thank you.

[0:13:04] Voice 6: Okay, then page 27, under table nine,

[0:13:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): we've got A, F, and R, E.

[0:13:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): We don't

[0:13:23] Voice 6: have a check for F.

[0:13:27] Voice 6: but should we yes

[0:13:30] Planner McCargar (probable): that's another good catch there should be a check there because that

[0:13:33] Planner McCargar (probable): is permitted uh with a tup okay

[0:13:38] Voice 8: yeah good

[0:13:39] Voice 6: so you'll correct that yeah very good

[0:13:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): uh on page 28 again this is just formatting but guideline one there's a run on phrase or words

[0:13:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): there is limited see

[0:13:57] Voice 6: that bottom of page

[0:13:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): 28 agritourism accommodation is limited yeah

[0:14:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): yeah

[0:14:06] Planner McCargar (probable): yeah they're missing a space there yes right

[0:14:10] Trustee Critchley (probable): i think those are all my picky points

[0:14:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): okay

[0:14:15] Planner McCargar (probable): trustee boucher can picked up on some of those too very

[0:14:18] Trustee Fast (probable): good yeah yeah the typo

[0:14:20] Trustee Fast (probable): kinds of things are also important because later down the years they questions arise and

[0:14:29] Trustee Fast (probable): It's good to have it as clear as possible.

[0:14:31] Trustee Fast (probable): So thanks, everybody, for your careful reading of this.

[0:14:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Let's return to 1.8.

[0:14:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Was that page 23?

[0:14:44] Planner McCargar (probable): Yeah, page

[0:14:44] Planner McCargar (probable): 23 of the package.

[0:14:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:14:47] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm wondering if we can make this a formal motion just so that it's really clear.

[0:14:51] Trustee Fast (probable): here.

[0:14:55] Planner McCargar (probable): Would it be possible to just give us five minutes to look into this

[0:15:03] Planner McCargar (probable): just before we make a

[0:15:04] Planner McCargar (probable): formal motion on it?

[0:15:06] Trustee Fast (probable): I think that would be great. I'm going to make a cup of tea. And so we will

[0:15:12] Trustee Fast (probable): reconvene, let's say 1030. And then we will come back and have all had a chance to think about it

[0:15:19] Trustee Fast (probable): a little bit does that sound

[0:15:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): good um chair fast just before we do that um i did have a motion

[0:15:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): prepared with a few um other minor things like really i think not not changing any intention

[0:15:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): just making sure everything's clear that i have already discussed with marlis um and maybe um

[0:15:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): while marlis is researching this issue um i believe i emailed it to marlis and vicky and

[0:15:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And maybe someone could just put it in the chat or on the screen so that you and David could look at it and start thinking about it.

[0:15:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It is nothing of substance. It has to do with like missing things or just clarity or I think one thing where some phrase got left in that should have been taken out.

[0:16:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Right. These things like the check marks and something to do while we drink our tea.

[0:16:08] Trustee Fast (probable): OK, that sounds good. And so let's reconvene at 1030.

[0:16:13] Trustee Fast (probable): We'll take a little moment. Thank you.

[0:16:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay so um will someone else put that in the chat or on the screen or should i do that

[0:16:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): well i can't do it on the screen i

[0:16:28] Planner McCargar (probable): can forward the email and then um right i can't do

[0:16:33] Voice 9: any of

[0:16:34] Voice 9: those things yeah

[0:16:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay i i'll do it marlos i want you to work on your thing okay so um your thing

[0:16:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): uh yeah sorry i'm not very articulate um i can forward if i will are you do you hear us

[0:16:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): no yeah i'm here i'm here so if i send that if i forward that to you can you put it on the screen

[0:16:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): sure okay let me just find it

[0:16:58] Voice 9: you should actually be able to share your screen but that's okay i'm

[0:17:03] Voice 9: happy to do it okay it's

[0:17:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): it's probably easier if i send it to you just i mean i can figure that out

[0:17:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I have done it before, but I'm not at home, so I'm a little bit less confident.

[0:17:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Just don't have my regular setup.

[0:17:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): No problem.

[0:17:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And you can just, I'm sending it to you, and you can just, if you just put up the motion I'm going to suggest, which has, I guess, seven pieces to it.

[0:17:39] Voice 9: Oh, I think I actually have it from Marlis.

[0:17:41] Voice 9: Is it the same thing you sent to Marlis this morning?

[0:17:44] Voice 9: It is.

[0:17:44] Voice 9: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[0:17:45] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:17:46] Voice 9: Yeah,

[0:17:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you don't need to

[0:17:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): put the first bit up that has the bit

[0:17:52] Voice 9: about the typos.

[0:17:53] Voice 9: You just want, and I will make the following motion.

[0:17:56] Voice 9: Yeah, exactly.

[0:17:57] Voice 9: Okay, I can do that.

[0:17:59] Voice 9: Let me just cut and paste.

[0:18:05] Voice 9: And then I will put that up on the screen.

[0:18:07] Voice 6: Okay, thanks.

[0:18:18] Voice 6: Let's make sure we make it nice and big so everybody can read it.

[0:18:22] Voice 6: All right, can you see that on the screen?

[0:18:40] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:18:41] Voice 5: Great.

[0:18:42] Voice 5: All

[0:25:31] Voice 7: right, look at that.

[0:27:01] Voice 6: Okay, everybody, 1030. I see we're reconvening. Thank you. Vicki's there.

[0:27:14] Voice 6: Planner McCarger,

[0:27:15] Trustee Fast (probable): there's David. Laura, can you turn your camera on?

[0:27:17] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[0:27:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): am here. I'm just about to turn my camera on.

[0:27:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[0:27:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Very good.

[0:27:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Just frowning at the screen going, hmm. I was looking at the current LEB, so.

[0:27:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Very good.

[0:27:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): We'll see what happens.

[0:27:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, let's come back together here. I see we've got a motion. This is your motion. Is it

[0:27:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Trustee Bushegan? I haven't made this yet, but I'm planning to make it. But maybe we could

[0:27:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): resolve this situation with the setbacks first. That's what

[0:27:52] Trustee Fast (probable): I was just wanting to do,

[0:27:54] Trustee Fast (probable): is go back to page 23 and see whether we want to, if we make a change, add it to this or do

[0:28:00] Trustee Fast (probable): do a separate one but uh I'm just making sure I'm seeing what I what I was looking at on the screen

[0:28:06] Trustee Fast (probable): was that your motion okay or your proposed motion for later let's go back to page 23 then

[0:28:13] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh um maybe uh planner mcclarker do you have um something you'd like to propose

[0:28:21] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah

[0:28:22] Planner McCargar (probable): so I um yeah doing a little bit of digging and I had a quick chat with Sonia who's kind of

[0:28:28] Planner McCargar (probable): been involved with this project since the beginning um and it sounds like so the 30

[0:28:34] Planner McCargar (probable): meters for buildings and structures um associated with with agriculture are you know is to is to

[0:28:41] Planner McCargar (probable): really separate those more intensive uses from the the sea and also from the lake and wetland

[0:28:49] Planner McCargar (probable): um it sounds like the the part about accommodating domesticated animals other than household pets is

[0:28:55] Planner McCargar (probable): really uh brought in from the previous or from the current land use bylaw and i don't know that

[0:29:03] Planner McCargar (probable): it really uh i think it i agree that it kind of confuses things and i don't know we don't actually

[0:29:09] Planner McCargar (probable): define what a household pet is um so i think i would propose that for for both 1.7 and 1.8

[0:29:20] Planner McCargar (probable): we end at except for offense and delete used to accommodate okay

[0:29:29] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah thank you because uh

[0:29:31] Trustee Fast (probable): that makes it much clearer and uh also um this presuming that we uh go ahead with the

[0:29:41] Trustee Fast (probable): recommendations in the staff report this would be first reading so there would be still more chance

[0:29:46] Trustee Fast (probable): for people to weigh in or that it could be further investigated.

[0:29:55] Trustee Fast (probable): But that makes sense to me to separate the sort of.

[0:30:00] Trustee Fast (probable): more intensive uh agricultural uses from fence pasture and i'm actually

[0:30:07] Planner McCargar (probable): just realizing so the

[0:30:10] Planner McCargar (probable): the 1.7 where it talks about 30 meters for buildings and structures associated with

[0:30:15] Planner McCargar (probable): agriculture except for a fence and then period and then the 1.8 30 meters for buildings and

[0:30:23] Planner McCargar (probable): structures including fencing associated with agriculture except for a fence but i think that

[0:30:29] Planner McCargar (probable): we should delete including fencing so

[0:30:35] Trustee Fast (probable): that they both read the same yeah

[0:30:36] Planner McCargar (probable): so that they both read

[0:30:38] Planner McCargar (probable): the same okay if

[0:30:39] Planner McCargar (probable): I could share my screen if you want to see it yeah

[0:30:43] Trustee Fast (probable): let's look at it together and

[0:30:45] Trustee Fast (probable): then I'd like to hear what the local trustees have to say because I've been trustee was shaking

[0:30:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah so on the break I looked at the current land use bylaw and it is different for the stream lakes

[0:30:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and wetland setback versus the sea um and the one for the sea it just doesn't mention fencing at all

[0:31:05] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and i gather that fencing is considered a structure so um uh it's so now i'm i'm like oh

[0:31:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): should we be um you know excluding fencing or not i don't like i i'm happy to go ahead with this

[0:31:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because I think we could change it after public hearing

[0:31:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because it's not substantive, right?

[0:31:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It's not use or density for just talking about a fence.

[0:31:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): But I just do wonder if there's a reason,

[0:31:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): any reason not to be like, like there's a fence.

[0:31:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm thinking inside the fence

[0:31:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is where you're grazing your animals,

[0:31:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but I guess it's better to have a fence

[0:31:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): than not have a fence.

[0:31:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'm just, okay, no, I'm just,

[0:31:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that was me thinking out loud. I just talked myself into it. I'm happy with what's being

[0:32:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): presented.

[0:32:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. And what's being presented just to be clear is, um, planner McCarger,

[0:32:09] Trustee Fast (probable): would you like to read out what you are proposing for the

[0:32:13] Trustee Fast (probable): middle bullet, middle bullet 1.7 and 1.8?

[0:32:16] Trustee Fast (probable): So

[0:32:16] Planner McCargar (probable): for 1.7 middle bullets, 30 meters for buildings and structures associated with agriculture,

[0:32:22] Planner McCargar (probable): except for a fence period and

[0:32:25] Trustee Fast (probable): for 1.8

[0:32:26] Planner McCargar (probable): for 1.8 the second bullet 30 meters for buildings and

[0:32:31] Planner McCargar (probable): structures associated with agriculture except for a fence period thank

[0:32:36] Trustee Fast (probable): you so they would both be the

[0:32:37] Trustee Fast (probable): same uh in the words that you've just said thank you okay um how about david critchley what do you

[0:32:44] Trustee Fast (probable): think well

[0:32:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): uh what i'm concerned about now is the intent uh or the the ramifications then

[0:32:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): of allowing a fence which is closer to a lake wetland or the ocean um which could allow then

[0:33:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): if you have your fence say right at the edge of the lake you have your cows right down by the

[0:33:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): edge of the lake or the wetland is that a good thing or

[0:33:22] Trustee Fast (probable): in the lake yeah which i've also seen

[0:33:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yes well and that's what i was thinking but i believe that um like if like i don't like i wish

[0:33:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we had farmers here um like if you don't allow a fence somewhere there they might just decide

[0:33:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): not to have a fence and let the boundary of the lake be the boundary um because 30 meters is quite

[0:33:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a bit and i just it's a very vague memory but i have a memory of being in the senior center of

[0:33:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): activity center at a meeting there in 2018 or 19 and farmers saying well like like we do

[0:34:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): raise our animals within those setbacks and we have fences and it's not a problem or maybe it

[0:34:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is a problem but they're saying it's a historic use and um but i don't remember that exactly so

[0:34:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So it becomes, yeah, like, it's not a tiny detail, but...

[0:34:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I

[0:34:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): agree.

[0:34:30] Trustee Critchley (probable): This is the thing.

[0:34:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): It isn't a tiny detail.

[0:34:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): I think it's a matter of fundamental kind of philosophy in regards to how close you allow farm animals or any animals that are within a fence close to wetlands in particular.

[0:34:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): I mean, these are the most crucial things that we're protecting in the Islands Trust, in theory.

[0:34:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): And perhaps what we need is another provision that generally states that animals are to be kept away from the wetlands, etc., by a minimum distance of X.

[0:35:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'm not sure whether that should be 30 meters or, you know, what the appropriate environmental or biological advice would be on that, you know, best practices.

[0:35:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): I wouldn't think that the Agricultural Land Commission should have some regulation on that.

[0:35:28] Trustee Fast (probable): I believe that I'm remembering vaguely and that the Agricultural Land Commission does have something about that.

[0:35:37] Trustee Fast (probable): and i thought that this had been um something that we talked about either in the meeting

[0:35:47] Trustee Fast (probable): back in 2018 or 19 in the uh yeah

[0:35:51] Trustee Critchley (probable): we did yeah

[0:35:52] Trustee Fast (probable): or even and even that our consultants may have

[0:35:56] Trustee Fast (probable): presented uh more recently i'm just looking in my notes but i don't think i can find it quickly um

[0:36:03] Trustee Fast (probable): And I agree, I don't think it's a detail. I think it's a pretty significant piece. So I'm not sure what

[0:36:15] Planner McCargar (probable): we'd like to

[0:36:15] Trustee Fast (probable): do. Do you have a suggestion, Planner McArthur?

[0:36:17] Trustee Fast (probable): well

[0:36:18] Planner McCargar (probable): i think so the intent with the initial regulation was to create a buffer between

[0:36:24] Planner McCargar (probable): animals being so close to the water um so we could include fencing in that if that's the i think

[0:36:33] Planner McCargar (probable): that's really our only way to to keep animals from being really close to the water would be to

[0:36:39] Planner McCargar (probable): building structures and then also including fencing so that would all be 30 meter setback um yes

[0:36:48] Planner McCargar (probable): I, yeah, I do know that ministry bylaw standards were consulted in creating this.

[0:36:57] Planner McCargar (probable): I could see if we could get Ione in here, but I'm not, I'm not sure if she's available right now or not, but we could, we could see about that.

[0:37:08] Planner McCargar (probable): How about, if

[0:37:10] Trustee Fast (probable): we go ahead and,

[0:37:11] Voice 6: yes,

[0:37:14] Trustee Fast (probable): it's an important discussion.

[0:37:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): What I was going to say is that I recall the discussion that bore on this and I think there

[0:37:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): were some guidelines and our question was just how far can we go past the guidelines

[0:37:30] Trustee Critchley (probable): and still be acceptable to the ALC.

[0:37:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): That was kind of the discussion of the day I think at the time.

[0:37:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I don't know that 30 meters is what the ALC mentions, but we were looking at something

[0:37:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): something larger this is where we're landed so

[0:37:52] Trustee Fast (probable): you're suggesting then that maybe it should read

[0:37:54] Trustee Fast (probable): 30 meters for buildings and structures including

[0:38:00] Voice 6: fencing right so that yeah i see sonja has joined

[0:38:14] Voice 6: us with her hand up planner zupanets do you have something to contribute i

[0:38:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): i just wanted to add

[0:38:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): the consideration which we did discuss a couple of years ago around the fencing being necessary

[0:38:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): for crops because you're deer fencing and so this fencing was specifically was to address the impact

[0:38:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): of farm animals and at that point in time the discussion around intensive agriculture so

[0:38:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): So the word feedlot was used a lot, but the intensive use of the land for storing, housing, congregating those animals versus the legitimate need for people to have fencing for deer fencing reasons,

[0:39:03] Planner Zupanec (probable): because they have either landscaping or crops that they're growing legitimately in those areas, which is permitted with the ministry bylaw standards.

[0:39:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): standards um so that's i think is why the clunkiness of the current wording of those

[0:39:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): regulations around the household pets versus the animals because people legitimately might also

[0:39:28] Planner Zupanec (probable): want to dog you know fence their dog right up to the edge um and then the differentiation between

[0:39:36] Planner Zupanec (probable): what's a household pet and what is being part of an agricultural operation um that's why during

[0:39:43] Planner Zupanec (probable): the break we were discussing the complexity there of enforcement of a fence that may have dual uses

[0:39:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): and is this really an issue that requires this much attention so I just wanted to add the piece

[0:40:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): about crops and fencing for crops being you know you would be excluding an area of her agriculture

[0:40:06] Planner Zupanec (probable): basically if people can't fence it they can't grow anything because the deer so that's a concern

[0:40:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good. Thank you, Planners at the Nets. David Critchley.

[0:40:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): Thank you. So it seems to me that we need more substantive redrafting of this to make

[0:40:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): clear what we're intending here and that, yes, if it's for growing crops, then there

[0:40:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): should be a different setback. I'm not sure that you want to be running tractors and putting

[0:40:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): phosphate fertilizers you know within right up to the edge of a of a wetland so there probably

[0:40:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): is some recommended setback for even that activity and having a leave area between

[0:40:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): between your wetland or lake or ocean uh and your your horticultural operation or your

[0:41:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): you know your your growing of uh barley or whatever it is that you've got there

[0:41:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): versus some other setback if it's in regard to animals.

[0:41:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I'm not sure that we've got a quick fix at hand here for that.

[0:41:27] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'll just add to that by saying I'm looking at page 23.

[0:41:37] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, anyway, the word fencing comes up nine times when I do a search,

[0:41:41] Trustee Fast (probable): and some of it is qualified as deer fencing and some of it is not.

[0:41:47] Voice 6: So I, well, some of it is screening

[0:41:56] Trustee Fast (probable): and be screened from view and that kind of thing.

[0:41:59] Trustee Fast (probable): So I don't know.

[0:42:01] Trustee Fast (probable): So what do you think we should do, David?

[0:42:03] Trustee Fast (probable): What's your suggestion?

[0:42:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, I'm

[0:42:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): thinking that it does require,

[0:42:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): you know, a substantive change.

[0:42:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'm wondering if we can just adjourn this meeting

[0:42:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): to, you know, to another certain date

[0:42:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): to continue this part.

[0:42:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): part. So I do

[0:42:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): see this as extremely important.

[0:42:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Trustee Bishakin, do you have a suggestion

[0:42:34] Trustee Fast (probable): there? None of us seem to have an answer at our fingertips. I know.

[0:42:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah. I mean, I'm open to that.

[0:42:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think it's difficult. I mean, I guess having seen this project go on for years and years,

[0:42:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): there's like the main thing, the main thing is to get it right. But then also, we, we do need to

[0:43:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): keep things moving. And so, yeah, I'm open to adjourning and asking staff to look into this. I

[0:43:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): think the question is, how do we protect the stream lakes and wetlands or the integrity of the

[0:43:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the, the foreshore, um, from impacts of farming, um, you know, without unnecessary, um, restrictions

[0:43:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): on farmers, but that word unnecessary is, I mean, that's probably up to us to decide, but,

[0:43:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but I just don't even know enough about, um, yeah, I don't know enough about the science of it or

[0:43:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): what really um happens in those setback areas where there's a fence and there's animals grazing

[0:43:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and what the or or crops being grown um and how it interacts with the ALR regulations what we're

[0:44:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): allowed to you know do or not do the only thing so maybe yeah we the one thing I see is below these

[0:44:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): these bullets in each of 1.7 and 1.8 in the proposed bylaw there's 15 meters for all other

[0:44:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): buildings and structures except for a fence and maybe we want to allow the fence within the 30

[0:44:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): meters and but not within the 15 meters because it's true even if it's deer fencing

[0:44:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if you've then that implies that you're growing a crop and then you definitely i think should have

[0:44:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like a setback if you're growing a crop i mean even if you're doing it completely organically

[0:44:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um you know you're changing what's going on there and you're even working there all the time is

[0:44:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): impacting the wildlife and that kind of thing so um that might be a way of having a setback

[0:45:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. Yes, I'm thinking about young apple trees.

[0:45:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Planner Zupanets, did you have something to contribute?

[0:45:15] Trustee Fast (probable): I saw your hand for a moment there.

[0:45:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): So I'm sure Marlis is doing the same thing.

[0:45:19] Planner Zupanec (probable): We're just bringing up the minister bylaw standards for the province.

[0:45:23] Planner Zupanec (probable): And so they do recommend 30 meter setbacks for livestock areas where they're confined.

[0:45:30] Planner Zupanec (probable): find the problem with that is and and that's what i recall marnie eggin and i looking at early on in

[0:45:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): the first rendition of this was that those those um confined areas could also be pasture right

[0:45:49] Planner Zupanec (probable): they're confined in a pasture area so for grazing purposes and so um the bylaw standards do allow

[0:45:56] Planner Zupanec (probable): local governments to differentiate but deer fencing and crop protection they

[0:46:02] Planner Zupanec (probable): have a specific clause in the standards if you don't mind I'll just read it out

[0:46:08] Planner Zupanec (probable): please do yeah it says appropriate setback distances can help prevent

[0:46:13] Planner Zupanec (probable): nuisance conflicts and protect natural resources and safeguard human health on

[0:46:17] Planner Zupanec (probable): the other hand excessive setbacks can present serious challenges to farming

[0:46:21] Planner Zupanec (probable): operations and the standards in this section seek to strike a balance by

[0:46:25] Planner Zupanec (probable): by recommending setbacks that are large enough

[0:46:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): to reduce conflicts while still being reasonable

[0:46:29] Planner Zupanec (probable): and economical for farm operations.

[0:46:31] Planner Zupanec (probable): Structures for crop protection and support,

[0:46:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): such as deer fencing, trellises and netting support

[0:46:38] Planner Zupanec (probable): should be excluded from setback requirements

[0:46:40] Planner Zupanec (probable): in order to allow a farm operation maximal property.

[0:46:45] Planner Zupanec (probable): And then all other sort of buildings and structures

[0:46:47] Planner Zupanec (probable): can be subject to those setbacks.

[0:46:50] Planner Zupanec (probable): So nurseries, greenhouses, barns,

[0:46:52] Planner Zupanec (probable): all the things that you currently have

[0:46:54] Planner Zupanec (probable): included in that list those are all reasonable setbacks so it's difficult to distinguish between

[0:47:00] Planner Zupanec (probable): structures for crop protection versus livestock fencing because they could be multi-use you could

[0:47:07] Planner Zupanec (probable): use a deer fence that could be just as effectively corralling and keeping animals within as you know

[0:47:12] Planner Zupanec (probable): to some extent it can be created to be multi-purpose deer and confining animals so if you're not

[0:47:20] Planner Zupanec (probable): comfortable with the existing wording or tweaking it then yes we might need to consult with ioni

[0:47:27] Planner Zupanec (probable): again to to see if there's any better language that we can pull or draw from to present to you

[0:47:35] Planner Zupanec (probable): or refer back to the current language yeah thank you trustee critchley yeah

[0:47:43] Trustee Critchley (probable): so it seems to me that

[0:47:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): when we need unduly focus on fencing but rather uh or we need to also focus on the use and uh

[0:47:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): and you know sort of prohibited uses within a certain distance of a water course wetland etc etc

[0:48:02] Trustee Critchley (probable): that seems to be it like the way we've focused it right now is is on the fencing rather than on

[0:48:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): on the use that that fencing is being put to.

[0:48:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): So, I don't know.

[0:48:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): And as far as adjournment is concerned,

[0:48:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): is there, can we just pick a date like a week from today

[0:48:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): or a couple of days from today or?

[0:48:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, this is where it gets challenging

[0:48:27] Trustee Fast (probable): because election day is the 15th

[0:48:30] Trustee Fast (probable): and which is the end of next week.

[0:48:33] Trustee Fast (probable): And I think we're still the local trust committee,

[0:48:35] Trustee Fast (probable): but I don't know the details of that.

[0:48:37] Trustee Fast (probable): um i don't know if will is with us in the meeting hosting the meeting but um i should just flag that

[0:48:46] Trustee Fast (probable): i have a meeting uh on north pender i'm going to chair four uh in place of um uh chair laura patrick

[0:48:57] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh that'll just be a zoom meeting but it's one of the it's either the 13th or the 14th so

[0:49:02] Trustee Fast (probable): So it might not show up on your north, northern region calendar.

[0:49:08] Trustee Fast (probable): And so I just wanted to flag that.

[0:49:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Otherwise, I think if we could get together next week, that would be great.

[0:49:15] Trustee Fast (probable): I have regular council.

[0:49:21] Trustee Fast (probable): It's a short week.

[0:49:22] Trustee Fast (probable): So I have regular council, Bowen Council and committee stuff starting.

[0:49:26] Trustee Fast (probable): I can go through the details of the timing and the schedule later.

[0:49:31] Trustee Fast (probable): but right now um I do have time it's just a question of when exactly well maybe Sue Ellen

[0:49:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you could um because you're probably the busiest I have FPC on Wednesday um but um that's about it

[0:49:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and something like some work related stuff on a Friday but maybe you could tell us when you're

[0:49:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): available next week and the rest of us could try and fall into place I think staff are the other

[0:50:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the ones that have that my schedule is more flexible anyway so like monday tuesday sorry

[0:50:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): not monday it's a holiday monday's

[0:50:09] Trustee Fast (probable): a holiday tuesday i've got council i see will uh coddingham

[0:50:13] Voice 9: has her hand up will what do you think uh i was just having a look at the committee meetings

[0:50:17] Voice 9: calendar where we're supposed to have all of the meetings for all of the ltcs i don't actually see

[0:50:23] Voice 9: anything on the 13th or 14th which is thursday friday next week um but they may just for if

[0:50:31] Voice 9: it's north pender or whoever they may just not have put that in there yet that's possible i can

[0:50:37] Voice 9: certainly double check with them currently according to the committee meetings calendar

[0:50:42] Voice 9: that's entirely free as you say chair fast you've got bowen on tuesday so i figure that's

[0:50:49] Voice 9: of the window and uh fpc is on wednesday so that kind of takes up that whole day

[0:50:56] Voice 9: um yeah so 13th and 14th and we do need that that little bit of lead time for notice but we would be

[0:51:05] Voice 9: able to that would be sufficient for um notice i believe if we wanted to do this again next week

[0:51:14] Voice 9: week right so i guess

[0:51:17] Voice 9: i would need to double check i would need to check with the folks in

[0:51:20] Voice 9: the south to see where they actually do have you on tap for um other

[0:51:26] Trustee Fast (probable): meetings if and when

[0:51:28] Trustee Fast (probable): all i've done is say that i had availability so i don't know whether their plans have advanced and

[0:51:35] Trustee Fast (probable): i would say that this is more important to me as the chair of this local trust committee and with

[0:51:43] Trustee Fast (probable): with this kind of recommendation,

[0:51:45] Trustee Fast (probable): because I'm pretty sure the North Pender one

[0:51:47] Trustee Fast (probable): is a community information meeting of some kind.

[0:51:51] Trustee Fast (probable): And it's also only a Zoom,

[0:51:53] Trustee Fast (probable): so it would probably be not take up a full day.

[0:51:58] Trustee Fast (probable): And so I propose that we,

[0:52:02] Trustee Fast (probable): maybe one of you would like to make a motion

[0:52:04] Trustee Fast (probable): to adjourn this meeting and reconvene next week

[0:52:10] Trustee Fast (probable): on Thursday or Friday, what do you think?

[0:52:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I would like to propose that we finish the business as much as possible because other

[0:52:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): things may pop up looking into, um, and, um, and then adjourn the meeting.

[0:52:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay.

[0:52:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, and maybe by then, um, Will could have checked.

[0:52:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, cause I, I don't know, it seems to me that it would probably be good procedure to

[0:52:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): adjourn to a specific time that I think we maybe even have to do that according to Robert's

[0:52:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): roles, not just adjourn.

[0:52:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I don't actually know if that's true.

[0:52:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah so can we finish the business yes

[0:52:44] Trustee Fast (probable): let's go on let's go on with the um we'll we'll leave this

[0:52:49] Trustee Fast (probable): issue of 1.7 and 1.8 um for the moment and uh and skip ahead to um the motion uh that you

[0:53:00] Trustee Fast (probable): were thinking of proposing uh trustee bushekin okay sure

[0:53:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if that

[0:53:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): could come back

[0:53:09] Trustee Fast (probable): on the screen

[0:53:09] Trustee Fast (probable): again yeah

[0:53:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um so these are all amendments to um bylaw 229 and none of them are as i said

[0:53:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): substantial but if you want we can go through them one by one um i would love to see them on

[0:53:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the screen um but um uh yeah i just i can't do multiple screens so this is it would really help

[0:53:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): if i could see it on the screen or i can try putting it on the screen i think marlis are you

[0:53:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): working on that

[0:53:47] Trustee Fast (probable): yes marlis is working on it go ahead trust me thanks

[0:53:51] Trustee Critchley (probable): um not to be awkward here

[0:53:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): but i'm just wondering would it would not be better just to put this to the next meeting as

[0:53:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): well because if you could forward those things by email to me i could really check them through

[0:54:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): better than what i've been able to do right now they don't look to be anything substantive but

[0:54:11] Trustee Critchley (probable): Okay.

[0:54:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I mean, we could do

[0:54:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that. I just, if something else came up and I guess we can do that because the reason I didn't forward them to everyone on the LTC is I was just worried about the quorum issue and us all seeing something that isn't in the package.

[0:54:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but at this point they've been brought up in an open meeting and really I they are I think all

[0:54:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): about clarity yeah

[0:54:42] Voice 8: that's what I think yeah

[0:54:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): totally so yeah

[0:54:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): let's do that then you can

[0:54:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): look at them and then we don't have to spend a lot of time in the meeting yeah

[0:54:51] Voice 8: okay that's right

[0:54:52] Trustee Fast (probable): and then we can look at them all together I mean I know David's working on his phone which makes

[0:54:57] Trustee Fast (probable): makes the text really tiny and pull

[0:54:59] Trustee Fast (probable): up the other stuff so um that would be that would be great so

[0:55:04] Trustee Fast (probable): let's look at it all together uh so we'll

[0:55:08] Trustee Fast (probable): just adjourn um and i wonder what the ideal wording

[0:55:13] Trustee Fast (probable): would be uh just

[0:55:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): one more thing for region was there anything else trustee critchley that you

[0:55:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): wanted to bring up so that we're yeah i'm just like i don't want to keep having to adjourn and

[0:55:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): have more meetings or have this go till you know on and on i think we heard trustee christie do

[0:55:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you have more things no

[0:55:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): okay

[0:55:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um then i will move that we adjourn the meeting um uh adjourn the

[0:55:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): meeting until um to be adjourned the meeting to be continued uh before uh october 14th not 15th

[0:55:56] Trustee Busheikin (probable): say

[0:55:58] Voice 6: that again until we adjourn the meeting um i believe we need to postpone

[0:56:08] Trustee Fast (probable): um because we're

[0:56:11] Trustee Fast (probable): right of course we're not adjourning we're recessing the meeting yeah i think that's what

[0:56:16] Voice 8: what

[0:56:16] Trustee Fast (probable): it is yeah i'm sorry i'm looking at my little notes here i'm wondering uh will coddingham do you

[0:56:21] Trustee Fast (probable): have the kind of wording that we should be using you

[0:56:25] Voice 9: know what i am just going to ask becky if we

[0:56:28] Voice 9: can just recess for like a week or whether we need

[0:56:32] Voice 9: to actually adjourn this meeting and then schedule

[0:56:35] Voice 9: a new special meeting i expect we might have to do that so give me two minutes and i will check

[0:56:42] Voice 9: with her just hang on okay

[0:56:44] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you because i'm um looking at my quick notes and uh i'm

[0:56:54] Trustee Fast (probable): seeing postponing motions but that's until the next regular meeting

[0:56:59] Voice 6: um and uh yeah i just don't

[0:57:13] Voice 6: want to do this incorrectly i think i've got some um oh i know robert's rules let's see what they

[0:57:34] Voice 6: they see yeah

[0:57:37] Voice 7: i'm looking you're

[0:57:40] Voice 6: looking there too you know what we don't even have motions on

[0:57:58] Voice 6: the floor because this is all about motions and we haven't actually moved or seconded any motion

[0:58:09] Voice 6: yet um well

[0:58:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): do we need to move our second count we just recessed the meeting i mean we don't know

[0:58:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): what motions we want to make yet because we're seeking more information from that's right that's

[0:58:25] Trustee Fast (probable): That's right. So the, the, the question is more about recessing.

[0:58:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[0:58:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, okay.

[0:58:31] Voice 6: Here we go. To adjourn, to recess. One second.

[0:58:45] Voice 5: Well,

[0:58:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): because recessing means we don't have to re-advertise and all of that.

[0:58:53] Voice 6: Yeah. A motion to recess for a short period has no da-da-da-da.

[0:59:03] Voice 6: Yeah. The rules are the same as to adjourn.

[0:59:07] Trustee Fast (probable): And when the time for the recess has expired,

[0:59:09] Trustee Fast (probable): the chair again calls the meeting to order and resumes the business of the

[0:59:13] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting that was pending if any when the recess began but i don't know if we can recess for a

[0:59:18] Trustee Fast (probable): whole week no

[0:59:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): it sounds like not i

[0:59:23] Trustee Fast (probable): think there's issues of notice how would people in the how would

[0:59:28] Voice 6: citizens know um i'll

[0:59:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): just wait for

[0:59:37] Voice 6: as

[0:59:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we all i know this

[0:59:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is somewhat informal but i'm thinking

[0:59:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): like if they're that interested in this they would they'd be here and that's how they'd know

[0:59:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): know because this is the meeting it's like when you go to a meeting and we recess for half an

[0:59:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): hour you know about it because you're there

[0:59:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah um yeah

[1:00:03] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah, it seems to me that recess is mentioned as being brief in Robert's rules, and I don't think a week is brief.

[1:00:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): It's an adjournment, I think, at that point, and I think it requires re-notification in accordance with our own meeting bylaws.

[1:00:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): yeah

[1:00:25] Trustee Fast (probable): i think i think i think that's correct and our bylaws of course would be

[1:00:29] Trustee Fast (probable): um following the rules of the province and uh so i think that we might be

[1:00:40] Trustee Fast (probable): um i see will coddingham is back with us yeah and

[1:00:44] Voice 9: we'll see if we're correct go ahead will

[1:00:46] Voice 9: so becky and i have talked about it and she thinks yes we can put it on pause

[1:00:51] Voice 9: pause until you know some point next week um she's just finding some suitable wording and

[1:00:59] Voice 9: she's going to email that to me as soon as she has it and then i can um i can put that on screen

[1:01:05] Voice 9: she just wants

[1:01:06] Voice 9: to make sure she gets the wording right so she's looking through some previous

[1:01:11] Voice 9: things so but it does look like we don't have to start a whole new um special meeting we can just

[1:01:19] Voice 9: put this one we can basically recess this one on

[1:01:22] Voice 9: pause and yeah and go from there so very good

[1:01:27] Voice 9: i'll share my screen as soon as she sends me the um the wording okay

[1:01:33] Trustee Fast (probable): this is turning into a how

[1:01:36] Trustee Fast (probable): many other northern staff can we pull into one meeting this is great you guys are all

[1:01:42] Trustee Fast (probable): that we can do this by zoom because otherwise we wouldn't be able to oh it

[1:01:46] Trustee Fast (probable): would be impossible

[1:01:46] Voice 6: yeah if

[1:01:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): we took a shot in the dark and said um that we adjourned the meeting to um 10 10 a.m

[1:02:06] Trustee Critchley (probable): on thursday next thursday um then we may not have to do advertising or anything like that

[1:02:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): unless

[1:02:19] Trustee Fast (probable): there is a scheduling conflict that i don't know about exactly we

[1:02:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): have to if i think

[1:02:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we need to recess so that we're continuing this meeting otherwise it becomes a whole new meeting

[1:02:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and we have to advertise so i think we have to wait and see what feki comes back with yeah

[1:02:39] Voice 9: yeah and i can also um phone the people in the south quickly and see if they know anything about

[1:02:46] Voice 9: this it's north pender you said correct yes okay i'll see if they know anything about what's going

[1:02:52] Voice 9: going on with that one so okay great i'll just i'll just

[1:02:56] Trustee Fast (probable): while staff are are reporting back i

[1:02:58] Trustee Fast (probable): have some wording in front of me we'll see if it's the same uh as what uh trustee chrishley

[1:03:03] Trustee Fast (probable): and boucher can come up with but i i have something about coming up with anything i'm

[1:03:08] Trustee Fast (probable): just waiting somebody says

[1:03:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i think becky knows more than me about oh yeah about like procedural

[1:03:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): legalities

[1:03:17] Trustee Fast (probable): well all it says is i move that we recess this is draft in my quite old robert's

[1:03:23] Trustee Fast (probable): rules okay that's great i move that we recess state the time and recess and or the duration

[1:03:30] Trustee Fast (probable): and it's also advisable to state the reasons for having a recess so this is what we can expect

[1:03:37] Trustee Fast (probable): probably from the okay according to my notes do you see something similar trustee critchley

[1:03:43] Trustee Fast (probable): um

[1:03:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): well i've just been looking at recess versus adjournment and uh adjournment doesn't necessarily

[1:03:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): dissolve the assembly it depends on the attention and on the bylaws of the assembly

[1:03:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): yeah i mean in court process we were always adjourning things and um you know it was just

[1:04:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): either we adjourned it to a date certain or we adjourned it sine die meaning that it was a date

[1:04:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): to be determined and then you would just file a paper with a registry with with the date

[1:04:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): i

[1:04:19] Trustee Fast (probable): don't

[1:04:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): think we can do sine die here no

[1:04:24] Trustee Fast (probable): that's not in our procedure by the way

[1:04:30] Trustee Fast (probable): so what would we um if we were going to say uh the reasons for having a recess is to clarify

[1:04:38] Trustee Fast (probable): clarify information something like that

[1:04:42] Voice 7: yes okay okay

[1:04:44] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i mean yeah i mean i just think it probably

[1:04:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): doesn't matter at all i think if i was like a constituent reading the minutes i'm like well

[1:04:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): that sounds very cryptic we could say clarify information uh about uh setbacks yep okay

[1:05:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay

[1:05:08] Voice 7: i'm

[1:05:26] Trustee Fast (probable): drafting uh wording here in case uh there's some uh other problem just a second

[1:05:36] Voice 6: Because I can't help

[1:05:37] Voice 6: myself from drafting things.

[1:05:39] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:06:02] Voice 6: Hi, everyone.

[1:06:03] Voice 9: Hi.

[1:06:04] Voice 9: So the good news is there's no conflict because both of the meetings, Chair Fass, that you've been asked to step in for are post-election.

[1:06:15] Voice 9: North Pender is the regular North Pender on October 27.

[1:06:19] Voice 9: Oh, there it is.

[1:06:20] Voice 9: Right.

[1:06:20] Voice 9: And potentially a Saturna one on October 20.

[1:06:26] Voice 9: so they're both not next week which is the important thing for us so so in theory um

[1:06:34] Voice 9: i don't see any conflicts on thursday or friday next week okay

[1:06:43] Trustee Fast (probable): that's great that doesn't mean

[1:06:47] Voice 9: you don't have something in your own calendars but you don't have it in the committee meetings

[1:06:51] Voice 9: calendar which is the part i watch so so

[1:06:55] Trustee Fast (probable): we'll see what um becky comes back with in terms of

[1:07:00] Trustee Fast (probable): wording but it could be something like uh move that we recess uh this meeting until

[1:07:07] Trustee Fast (probable): or for one week to clarify information about sap acts or something like that but

[1:07:15] Trustee Fast (probable): But we'll see.

[1:07:19] Trustee Fast (probable): I think we're still waiting for Becky to bring us wording through Will.

[1:07:26] Trustee Fast (probable): So when

[1:07:27] Voice 6: Will has that, I see the staff are all conferring.

[1:07:32] Trustee Fast (probable): We don't know what their schedules are actually like either.

[1:07:38] Voice 6: But

[1:07:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): not having any meetings is good.

[1:07:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Like no LTC meetings scheduled.

[1:08:27] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm just looking at the wording again and going, yeah, that needs to be clarified.

[1:08:34] Trustee Fast (probable): find looking at is with the vegetable farming eyes i wouldn't know how close i could be to

[1:08:43] Voice 6: the yeah

[1:08:46] so

[1:09:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): how about if i make a motion on this just i don't know how i'm just going to take i think

[1:09:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): it's fairly simple from what i see now it is recessed and i know the senate recesses for

[1:09:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): extended periods of time and we're just going to continue the business of the meeting uh that's

[1:09:39] Trustee Critchley (probable): the intent so i think it's recess and i would just to make a motion then to uh recess this meeting to

[1:09:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): 10 a.m october 13th in order for staff to bring back more information on setbacks sounds good to

[1:09:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): me what do you think laura before i second that i just want to make sure that staff are available

[1:10:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): at that time um because that we would definitely need will to run the meeting um planner mccarger

[1:10:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to be the planner and vicky to take minutes i

[1:10:17] Planner McCargar (probable): am available at that time i just it's a short window

[1:10:22] Planner McCargar (probable): because i you know it's a long weekend i'm not working tomorrow so it gives me tuesday wednesday

[1:10:27] Planner McCargar (probable): um which should be a lot enough time so long as i can get a hold of ioni and and talk to the people

[1:10:33] Planner McCargar (probable): i need to talk to in time which i'm hoping i can do

[1:10:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah what about doing it friday at 10 instead

[1:10:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): dead it's just that one extra day i'm free i

[1:10:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): know it can be hard like we're all busy and you're

[1:10:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): trying to get a hold of people and well it

[1:10:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): sounds like are you free to

[1:10:53] Trustee Fast (probable): david friday 14th yep more

[1:10:56] Trustee Fast (probable): or less an extra day how about you vicky are you

[1:11:00] Trustee Fast (probable): okay friday 14th at 10 yes and um you are okay

[1:11:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, Laura.

[1:11:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, I am.

[1:11:08] Trustee Fast (probable): And we need Will too.

[1:11:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[1:11:10] Trustee Fast (probable): So now we've got two dates to ask Will about when she

[1:11:13] Voice 6: rejoins us.

[1:11:23] Voice 6: And then we'll see whether we second David's motion or whether he makes a different one.

[1:12:12] Voice 6: Sorry

[1:12:12] Voice 9: for the delay.

[1:12:13] Voice 9: No problem.

[1:12:15] Voice 9: So this is pretty basic.

[1:12:17] Voice 9: And you'll probably want to add, you know, your information about the reviewing details business at the end of this.

[1:12:25] Voice 9: but i will just share with you what she has sent and then we can go from there it's basically just

[1:12:35] Voice 9: this right here right okay and then we

[1:12:38] Voice 9: had just put in a date and time but obviously that can be

[1:12:42] Voice 9: changed to whatever right

[1:12:44] Trustee Fast (probable): because one of the questions um david had already drafted uh made

[1:12:49] Trustee Fast (probable): made a motion but it was not seconded yet and that was um then we talked to marlis about her

[1:12:56] Trustee Fast (probable): time and we're wondering about are you available friday the 13th at 10 yeah i can make myself

[1:13:03] Voice 9: i can make myself available sure oh you're on a flex day i'm on a flex day but i can switch it so

[1:13:10] Voice 9: or just

[1:13:11] Voice 9: come in for a bit i'm i'm willing to do that to let this move forward i don't want to be

[1:13:18] Trustee Fast (probable): the

[1:13:18] Voice 9: thing that stops the denman ltc from moving forward on this particular project so yeah no

[1:13:24] Voice 9: Well, thank

[1:13:25] Trustee Fast (probable): you, because I like the idea of giving more of us a little more time because it's such a short week.

[1:13:33] Trustee Fast (probable): But I will.

[1:13:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): Is it 1030 or 10?

[1:13:38] Voice 9: It can be whatever you want.

[1:13:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I have a work related

[1:13:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): meeting at two.

[1:13:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I hope it won't go more than an hour or two at most.

[1:13:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So let's let's stick with 1030.

[1:13:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): OK, I'll make a motion then.

[1:13:55] Trustee Fast (probable): okay please go ahead i'll

[1:13:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): move then that the deminon local trust committee recess this

[1:14:01] Trustee Critchley (probable): electronic special meeting and reconvene on friday october 14th 2022 at 10 a.m

[1:14:10] Trustee Critchley (probable): the purpose of the recess being for staff to bring back information regarding setbacks

[1:14:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Thank you. Was that Friday at 10?

[1:14:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes.

[1:14:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. The 14th. Okay. Very good. Do I have a seconder?

[1:14:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you,

[1:14:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Boucherkin. And very good. And do we have any more discussion?

[1:14:41] Trustee Fast (probable): No.

[1:14:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. And we'll have a busy Friday. But otherwise, thank you for doing this, everybody. And for your patience, anybody who's watching us. And we're going to get back together next week.

[1:14:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Friday.

[1:14:52] Trustee Fast (probable): 10 a.m. on the 14th, unless we vote it down,

[1:14:55] Trustee Fast (probable): which I'm just going to call the question.

[1:14:56] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[1:14:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Aye.

[1:14:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): Aye.

[1:15:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Aye.

[1:15:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:15:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Three hands went up, so that passes unanimously.

[1:15:04] Trustee Fast (probable): So we're going to reconvene next week, Friday the 14th at 10 a.m.

[1:15:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so then I'm going to

[1:15:14] Trustee Fast (probable): call for, I think that is adjournment, really.

[1:15:16] Voice 8: Oh, yeah.

[1:15:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Right?

[1:15:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[1:15:18] Trustee Fast (probable): And so we'll see you all next time.

[1:15:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay?

[1:15:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks, everybody, for pitching in.

[1:15:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, bye for now.

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Denman Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date:  
 
 
Location: 
October 6, 2022 
October 14, 2022 
 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 David Critchley, Local Trustee 
 Laura Busheikin, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Sonja Zupanec, Acting Regional Planning Manager 
 Marlis McCargar, Island Planner 
 Vicky Bockman, Recorder 
 
Others Present: 
 
Ione Smith, Upland Agricultural Consulting  
1. CALL TO ORDER 
“Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:03 am.  She explained that this meeting is being 
held electronically to consider a limited agenda regarding the Farming Regulations Review and is 
being recorded for viewing on the Islands Trust website. She introduced Trustees, staff and 
recorder; and acknowledged that the meeting was being held in traditional territory of the Coast 
Salish First Nations, in particular the K'ómoks First Nation. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. BUSINESS ITEMS 
3.1 Denman Island Farming Regulations Review Project - Staff Report 
Planner McCargar presented a brief summary of the Staff Report that asks Trustees to 
consider the proposed Bylaw Nos. 228 and 229 as discussed at the previous Local Trust 
Committee (LTC) meeting.  
Trustees discussed the draft bylaws with the following noted: 
 Some minor typographical errors were pointed out in draft Bylaw No. 229 for 
correction by staff; 
 Fencing regulations contained in draft Bylaw No. 229 Schedule 1, 1.7 and 1.8 were 
considered to be unclear and more information to inform a decision would be 
useful. 

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By general consent the meeting was recessed at 10:18 am and reconvened at 10:30 am. 
 
Discussion on possible amendments to draft Bylaw No. 229 continued: 
 Agricultural Land Reserve setback regulations might provide additional information 
regarding how to protect streams, lakes, wetlands and foreshore from the impacts 
of farming;  
 Differentiation between fencing for crop protection and confining of animals might 
be considered for clarity; 
 Trustee Busheikin suggested other minor amendments for LTC members’ 
information and discussion; 
 Continuation of this discussion after input from staff in order to understand and 
accurately address the regulations under consideration while striving to keep 
advancing this project was suggested. 
 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee adjourn the electronic Special Meeting 
and reconvene on Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:00 am, the purpose being for staff to 
bring back information on setbacks from watercourses. 
CARRIED 
4. ADJOURNED 
 
The meeting was recessed at 11:15 am and will reconvene on October 14, 2022 at 10:00 am. 
5. RECONVENED - OCTOBER 14, 2022 
Chair Fast recalled the meeting to order at 10:15 am. She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations, in particular the K'ómoks First 
Nation. 
By general consent the agenda was approved. 
5.1 Denman Island Farming Regulations Review Project - Memorandum 
Planner McCargar outlined the project background and process to date. She 
summarized the Memorandum that responds to the Local Trust Committee (LTC) 
request for additional information regarding setbacks from watercourses. She reported 
that the Memorandum includes the recommendation that fencing be excluded from the 
setback requirement at this time, in order to support a full range of acceptable 
agricultural uses. 
She advised that: 
 a comprehensive review of setback requirements and Development Permit Areas is 
out-of-scope for this project;  
 the majority of community survey responses and the Advisory Planning Commission 
supported a more thorough review of the setback regulations in the future; and 
 setbacks for the protection of water on farmland are set by the BC Ministry of 
Environment through the Agricultural Environmental Management Code of Practice 
which can provide a measure of confidence in watercourse protection until the LTC 

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undertakes a more comprehensive project to evaluate setbacks to watercourses 
across Denman Island. 
 
A Trustee suggested that the incoming LTC might consider referring a request for review of the 
comprehensive setback requirements to the Regional Planning Committee, as these are 
regulations that could be relevant to the Islands Trust as a whole. 
 
Trustee Critchley recommended that an information note referencing the BC Ministry of 
Environment Agricultural Environmental Management Code of Practice setback regulations be 
inserted into proposed Bylaw No. 229 following Section 1.8 for clarity.  
Trustees, Consultant Smith and staff discussed the matter with the following points noted: 
 the Islands Trust is moving away from the practice of inserting information notes as the 
Land Use Bylaw (LUB) should stand on its own;  and there are many other regulations that 
apply provincially not referenced as information notes; 
 this proposed information note might be interpreted to mean that this is the only part of 
the Code of Practice document that should be considered; 
 an information note can become outdated as Provincial regulations change; 
 farmers generally ask questions and solicit input from the Regional Agrologist, who is well 
versed in the Code of Practice and can answer specific questions about farming and 
setbacks; 
 the Planner for the Ministry of Agriculture and Food is another source of information and 
will have an opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaws through the formal referral 
process that will be conducted as a next step; 
 Trustee Critchley argued that an information note is warranted in this case as: 
o Watercourses are the most critical habitats and it should be the duty of the LTC to 
protect them; 
o The proposed Bylaw setback regulations include the wording “except for fences” which 
can be misleading, and many community members are not familiar with the Code of 
Practice or the Environmental Management Act. 
Trustee Critchley moved the following motion 
That the Denman Island Local Trust Committee amend proposed Bylaw No. 229 by inserting 
following Section 1.8 an information note stating that setbacks for fences are set out in the Code 
of Practice for Agricultural Environmental Management under the Environmental Management 
Act. 
There being no seconder, the motion did not move forward. 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 229 cited as “Denman Island Land Use 
Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018” be amended as follows: 
In Sections 1.7 and 1.8 delete the current text in its entirety and replace with “30.0 
metres for buildings and structures associated with agriculture, except for a fence.” 
CARRIED 

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Trustees considered the minor amendments suggested by Trustee Busheikin on October 6 and 
supported the added clarity and consistency that they provide. 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 229 cited as “Denman Island Land Use 
Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018” be amended as follows: 
 In 1.4, adding, at the end of the second paragraph, after (Resource), a comma, and the 
words “and on properties in the Agricultural Land Reserve without a Temporary Use 
Permit.”; 
 In 1.9, adding the words “, under Commercial,” after “by adding”; 
 In 1.17, Table 1, item 12, adding words “where permitted by a Temporary Use Permit.” 
after the word “Act”.; 
 In 1.23, Table 2, item 8, changing the text after the word “(1) cabin” to “on a property 
over 4 HA and classified under the BC Assessment Act as “Farm.”, and then continuing 
with the following sentence beginning with “Should.”; 
 In 1.24, Table 3, item 6, adding, in the second and third columns, the number one; 
 In 1.24, Table 3, item 7, adding 410 m
2 
in the second and third columns; 
 In 1.24, Table 3, items 8 and 9, including the number “1” in each column; 
 In 1.31, Objective, removing the words “and as permitted in the Agricultural Land 
Reserve Use Regulation”. 
CARRIED 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy Statement 
Directives Only Checklist and determined that Bylaw No. 228, cited as “Denman Island Official 
Community Plan Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018”, is not contrary to or at variance with 
the Islands Trust Policy Statement. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-121 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 228, cited as “Denman Island Official 
Community Plan, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018”, be read a first time. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-122 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 228, cited as “Denman Island Official 
Community Plan, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018”, be read a second time. 
A Trustee commented that as the Local Trust Committee revoked the earlier draft of the Bylaw, first and 
second reading are being given at this time to bring the process to the point it would have otherwise 
been. 
CARRIED 
By general consent the meeting was recessed at 11:01 am and reconvened at 11:06 am. 

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DE-2022-123 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy Statement 
Directives Only Checklist and determined that Bylaw No. 229, cited as “Denman Island Land Use 
Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018” is not contrary to or at variance with the Islands Trust 
Policy Statement. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-124 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 229, cited as “Denman Island Land Use 
Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018”, be read a first time. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-125 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 229, cited as “Denman Island Land Use 
Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018”, be read a second time. 
CARRIED 
DE-2022-126 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to refer Bylaw Nos. 228 and 229 to 
the following agencies and First Nations for comment: 
Cowichan Tribes Nanwakolas Council 
Halalt First Nation Wei Wai Kum Nation 
Lake Cowichan First Nation We Wai Kai Nation 
Lyackson First Nation Qualicum First Nation 
Penelakut Tribe Comox Valley Regional District 
Snuneymuxw First Nation Denman Growers and Producers Alliance 
Snaw’Naw’As Nation School District #71 (Comox Valley) 
Stz’uminus First Nation Ministry of Agriculture and Food 
Te’Mexw Treaty Association Agricultural Land Commission 
Homalco First Nation (Xwemalhkwu) Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
K'ómoks First Nation Denman Island Advisory Planning Commission 
Tla’amin Nation  
CARRIED 
DE-2022-127 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a Community 
Information Meeting and Public Hearing for Bylaw Nos. 228 (Official Community Plan) and 229 
(Land Use Bylaw) after the referral response period is complete. 
 
A Trustee suggested that these two meetings should be held separately especially given the important 
issue of secondary dwellings on agricultural land. Other Trustees commented that community members 
often prefer combined meetings held on evenings or weekends for convenience and preferred to leave 
that decision to staff and the incoming Local Trust Committee. 
CARRIED 

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Trustees discussed communications relating to this project, suggesting that the incoming LTC 
might consider requesting staff to prepare a condensed, plain-language flyer insert for the 
publication in The Grapevine.  
6. ADJOURNMENT 
Ione Smith expressed her appreciation to everyone and noted that it is a pleasure to work with 
Denman Islanders. Trustees thanked her, appreciating the meaningful work that she advanced.  
Trustee Busheikin noted that her time as a Trustee is ending; she has considered the work to be 
significant, and has enjoyed working with everyone. 
Trustee Critchley also thanked staff for their professionalism, skill and patience; and his 
colleagues for respectful disagreements, diligence and carrying out their duties as Trustee and 
Chair during this term. 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 11:26 am. 
 
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Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Vicky Bockman, Recorder