Denman Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, October 14, 2022

[0:00:02] Trustee Fast (probable): And I see the streaming is up. So, welcome everybody. Good morning and thank you for joining us today. This is a continuation of our electronic special meeting of the Denman Island Local Trust Committee, where we'll be discussing the Denman Island Farming Regulations Review Project.

[0:00:17] Trustee Fast (probable): I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today electronically across the traditional territories of the Coast Salish people, in particular the Comox Nation in this case.

[0:00:30] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm Sue Ellen Fast, elected on Bowen Island and chair of the Denman Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:36] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm joined today by Denman Island trustees Laura Bershaken, and there she is, and by David Critchley.

[0:00:44] Trustee Fast (probable): and he's going to have his video off part of the day thank you for joining us David

[0:00:50] Trustee Fast (probable): because of internet connectivity challenges at his end or we think it's at his end we're starting

[0:00:57] Trustee Fast (probable): a little late this morning because of challenges for all of us connecting to the zoom so apologies

[0:01:03] Trustee Fast (probable): for the 15 minute delay and I'll continue here this meeting is being conducted electronically

[0:01:12] Trustee Fast (probable): As you know, it's also being live streamed and recorded and will soon be available on the Islands Trust website, islandstrust.bc.ca.

[0:01:20] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got some staff members joining us today.

[0:01:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Our professional staff, Vicki Bachman is our minute taker.

[0:01:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Good morning, Vicki.

[0:01:29] Trustee Fast (probable): and she'll keep the meeting minutes

[0:01:32] Trustee Fast (probable): because this is a formal meeting

[0:01:35] Trustee Fast (probable): of the local trust committee

[0:01:37] Trustee Fast (probable): making up changes, amendments to the local bylaws.

[0:01:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Marlis McCarger is our planner.

[0:01:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Good morning, Marlis.

[0:01:49] Trustee Fast (probable): And Island Planner and Will Cottingham

[0:01:52] Trustee Fast (probable): is running the meeting

[0:01:54] Trustee Fast (probable): and all the extras in the background.

[0:01:57] Trustee Fast (probable): ground i

[0:01:58] Voice 3: just want to let you know chair fast that we are having some trouble with the um stream so

[0:02:03] Voice 3: i've texted mark and hopefully he can help us it comes up with a weird error message so hopefully

[0:02:09] Voice 3: we can get it working soon all right a uh

[0:02:13] Trustee Fast (probable): a technologically challenging meeting so uh thank

[0:02:16] Trustee Fast (probable): you will for being on top of that and um also joining us today is uh ioni smith from upland

[0:02:23] Trustee Fast (probable): consulting and uh thank you ione for making the time to meet with us today um so this meeting is

[0:02:30] Trustee Fast (probable): an official forum of your local trust committee make decisions about land use planning matters and

[0:02:34] Trustee Fast (probable): discuss relevant business it's a continuation uh from the meeting of october the 6th and uh we'll

[0:02:40] Trustee Fast (probable): just um call the meeting to order uh now and um anybody got any problems with the agenda as we

[0:02:49] Trustee Fast (probable): we have resumed.

[0:02:53] Trustee Fast (probable): By consent then, okay,

[0:02:55] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to approve the agenda by consent.

[0:02:59] Trustee Fast (probable): And I heard David Critchley say that was okay.

[0:03:02] Trustee Fast (probable): And so we're going to move on then

[0:03:05] Trustee Fast (probable): to the Denman Island Farming Regulations Review Project.

[0:03:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Over to you, Marlis McCarger.

[0:03:13] Planner McCargar (probable): Great, thanks.

[0:03:15] Planner McCargar (probable): So after the break from the last meeting,

[0:03:18] Planner McCargar (probable): so last meeting I presented the staff report

[0:03:21] Planner McCargar (probable): with a number of recommendations on amendments to bylaw 228 and 229 and the LTC requested that

[0:03:31] Planner McCargar (probable): we take a recess and come back with some more information on setbacks from water courses

[0:03:37] Planner McCargar (probable): so I provided a memorandum that was included in the agenda package which is also posted online

[0:03:45] Planner McCargar (probable): So I went through and did a little bit of background research, and I've included just some of the background and kind of an explanation of why that language was included in the way that it was.

[0:03:58] Planner McCargar (probable): And it seemed to me, so back in 2017-2018 when this project was initially getting started, there was a lot of concern around feedlots.

[0:04:09] Planner McCargar (probable): And so the language was really trying to reflect setbacks from watercourses in relation to feedlots.

[0:04:17] Planner McCargar (probable): Then as the project moved forward and with recommendations from the Ministry of Agriculture,

[0:04:23] Planner McCargar (probable): feedlot was entirely removed from the bylaw and it was more generally addressing agriculture and intensive agriculture.

[0:04:32] Planner McCargar (probable): culture. So we've included a table which shows the tables on

[0:04:39] Planner McCargar (probable): page 46 of the agenda package or page two of the memo. And it

[0:04:43] Planner McCargar (probable): looks at the language in the proposed bylaw 229, the

[0:04:48] Planner McCargar (probable): recommended change and then the current language in the land use

[0:04:52] Planner McCargar (probable): bylaw that's currently adopted. Staff recommendation is that

[0:04:57] Planner McCargar (probable): fencing being excluded from the setback requirement at this

[0:05:00] Planner McCargar (probable): time in order to support a full range of acceptable agricultural uses and one of the the big reasons

[0:05:09] Planner McCargar (probable): for that is just uh there wasn't it was really out of scope for this project to look at um kind

[0:05:16] Planner McCargar (probable): of more comprehensive setback requirements so there wasn't a proper community consultation done

[0:05:22] Planner McCargar (probable): and also there is the agricultural environmental code of practice which is uh in effect in bc and

[0:05:30] Planner McCargar (probable): regulate setbacks in agricultural areas so there is kind of that extra there is that level of a

[0:05:38] Planner McCargar (probable): water course protection that already exists provincially so my staff recommendation is

[0:05:45] Planner McCargar (probable): that the language in the bylaw would read 30 meters for buildings and structures associated

[0:05:52] Planner McCargar (probable): with agriculture except for a fence and it would be the same for the minimum setback from the

[0:05:59] Planner McCargar (probable): natural boundary of the sea if there's any other questions i also included in the memo just um

[0:06:07] Planner McCargar (probable): there was so in the questionnaire that went around to denman the denman community back in

[0:06:12] Planner McCargar (probable): the spring of 2022 there was a question that related to water courses and setbacks and it

[0:06:22] Planner McCargar (probable): really just asked would you support updating denman islands development permit area number

[0:06:26] Planner McCargar (probable): number four, to include requirements for fencing and other measures to keep livestock and poultry

[0:06:31] Planner McCargar (probable): out of the waterways.

[0:06:32] Planner McCargar (probable): So I included that there so you can see that the majority, 78% of respondents, are interested

[0:06:39] Planner McCargar (probable): in kind of a more comprehensive review and would look to that, to revisit that at a future

[0:06:49] Planner McCargar (probable): project and the denman island advisory planning commission also concurred that um that when the

[0:06:57] Planner McCargar (probable): denman land use bylaws updated and revised that this would be a priority issue and consideration

[0:07:04] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you very much planner mcarger and uh that's a priority issue for the next time that it's

[0:07:10] Trustee Fast (probable): reviewed i i assume i see you nodding uh that's in case anybody can't see the video um i see uh

[0:07:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Critchley, your hand is up. Please go ahead.

[0:07:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): Thank you.

[0:07:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes, I just wanted to ask for your view on the proposed motion that I had forwarded by an email.

[0:07:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): And just so that people know what I'm talking about, the motion would be that the Deminal Local Trust Committee request staff to insert into proposed bylaw 229 following section 1.8.

[0:07:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): a marginal note stating that setbacks for fences are set out in part four of the Code of Practice

[0:07:57] Trustee Critchley (probable): for Agricultural Environmental Management under the Environmental Management Act.

[0:08:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): So this would just draw attention to the fact that there are these other setback requirements.

[0:08:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): requirements and because by using the word excluding fences in our bylaw we some unsuspecting

[0:08:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): reader might think well there is no regulation on that point so that was my concern there was

[0:08:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): to put that in and I should mention that I did review the the code of practice for agricultural

[0:08:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): cultural environmental management and it is quite extensive the code and it's also has quite

[0:08:43] Trustee Critchley (probable): detailed sets of setbacks for various circumstances and i can see the complexity of this issue

[0:08:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): especially with regard to keeping of livestock and the numbers of livestock would would vary and

[0:09:01] Trustee Critchley (probable): would change the setback uh so yes it seems like this is is more complicated than i thought and

[0:09:10] Trustee Critchley (probable): and uh would require some some further uh study i would know note that it was suggested that this

[0:09:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): could be a project in the future of uh deminon local trust committee but as i'm thinking about

[0:09:24] Trustee Critchley (probable): all this it seems to me this is one of these types of projects that is is uh very well suited to an

[0:09:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): overall trust um view and that perhaps regional planning would be the body to take it up because

[0:09:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): setbacks for agricultural purposes vis-a-vis uh wetlands and streams is something that uh is

[0:09:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): is throughout the honest trust a concern.

[0:09:51] Trustee Critchley (probable): And I think we should be,

[0:09:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): I couldn't understand why there would be any difference

[0:09:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): on any Island in the required setbacks there

[0:10:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): following our duty to preserve

[0:10:02] Trustee Critchley (probable): and protect the natural environment.

[0:10:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): So that's kind of a long winded introduction

[0:10:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): to asking for your views on the proposal for that motion.

[0:10:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): motion thank

[0:10:14] Trustee Fast (probable): you planner mccarger do we do uh marginal notes in bylaws or how could this um

[0:10:22] Trustee Fast (probable): interest be addressed yeah

[0:10:25] Planner McCargar (probable): so there are information notes throughout some of the

[0:10:30] Planner McCargar (probable): land use bylaws it's it's not uncommon and there are some in the denman land use bylaw currently

[0:10:35] Planner McCargar (probable): it's it's kind of a a practice that we're moving away from um the and some of the advice that i

[0:10:42] Planner McCargar (probable): received not on this specific one but when i was talking with a lawyer in the past is just

[0:10:47] Planner McCargar (probable): that really a land use bylaw should stand on its own and that the information notes are just not

[0:10:54] Planner McCargar (probable): not really recommended and and not um not really used that widely in other jurisdictions but that's

[0:11:03] Planner McCargar (probable): you know not to say that it's not possible to do it here um one of my hesitations is just that there

[0:11:10] Planner McCargar (probable): are many other regulations that apply provincially that we we won't reference and we don't reference

[0:11:16] Planner McCargar (probable): um so by singling this one out yeah i just kind of have some some concern around that um

[0:11:24] Planner McCargar (probable): and then i yeah if that is the direction that the ltc wants to go i think i would suggest removing

[0:11:31] Planner McCargar (probable): part four uh just to keep it a little less specific in case the regulations did change

[0:11:37] Planner McCargar (probable): in the future um yeah that's those are that's kind of my thoughts so it's um it's it's within

[0:11:46] Planner McCargar (probable): the realm of possibility it's yeah but not uh not typically recommended yeah

[0:11:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): follow up on that yep go ahead david so um if we were to do that would it be a motion to

[0:12:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): amend the bylaw or is it really it's outside of the bylaw because it's not a

[0:12:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): provision of the bylaw per se it's just more of an of a formatting matter it's

[0:12:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Sue Ellen here

[0:12:20] Trustee Fast (probable): it seems to me it's a education kind of thing rather than a or an information thing rather

[0:12:31] Trustee Fast (probable): than a bylaw part and I'm just going to check in here and make sure that Vicki's still with us

[0:12:36] Trustee Fast (probable): vicky can you hear us sorry

[0:12:42] Voice 7: yes i can i'm here very

[0:12:43] Trustee Fast (probable): good okay good thanks just checking about

[0:12:46] Trustee Fast (probable): the stability of our connectivity here thank you and um uh but uh over to you marlis i'm sorry

[0:12:54] Trustee Fast (probable): david i kind of jumped on your question there but he was asking should it be inside the bylaw

[0:13:01] Trustee Fast (probable): i

[0:13:06] Planner McCargar (probable): think i mean it like like you were saying it's it's outside the bylaw but i think we would still

[0:13:13] Planner McCargar (probable): need the resolution to include it um like you can see in the i believe in the proposed bylaw

[0:13:24] Planner McCargar (probable): we are deleting an information note um and yeah there's a there's a section there where

[0:13:31] Planner McCargar (probable): we're deleting the following note in its entirety and so i think if we were adding an information

[0:13:35] Planner McCargar (probable): note it would be it would still need to be a resolution that's passed and then we would be

[0:13:41] Planner McCargar (probable): clearly adding the information out even though it's outside the regulation it's still

[0:13:46] Planner McCargar (probable): going to be within the bylaw okay

[0:13:48] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you so it sounds like it's not so much

[0:13:52] Trustee Fast (probable): um request staff to insert it as we would insert it right here right now um perhaps

[0:14:02] Trustee Fast (probable): the same way we're removing um the other one and which page would i look at for the

[0:14:09] Trustee Fast (probable): a removal of the other one uh planner mccarger

[0:14:26] Planner McCargar (probable): there's yeah

[0:14:27] Planner McCargar (probable): there's one um there's one example

[0:14:31] Planner McCargar (probable): of it on page 19 of the agenda package but i think throughout there's yeah there's other

[0:14:37] Planner McCargar (probable): examples oh

[0:14:38] Trustee Fast (probable): yes i see another one too okay good

[0:14:44] Voice 7: 19 oh

[0:14:50] Voice 8: removing the words right is

[0:14:52] Voice 7: that what you

[0:14:52] Voice 7: mean

[0:14:54] Trustee Fast (probable): we're on page 19.

[0:14:56] Planner McCargar (probable): sorry so there's also another one on page 23.

[0:15:00] Trustee Fast (probable): okay one

[0:15:01] Planner McCargar (probable): sec section 1.5

[0:15:06] Planner McCargar (probable): part two right that's

[0:15:10] Trustee Fast (probable): when we're gonna delete in its entirety so the same kind of wording would be

[0:15:16] Trustee Fast (probable): uh we could use if we wanted to add an information note just how to specify exactly where it would go

[0:15:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Thank you.

[0:15:26] Voice 8: Trustee Bushakin?

[0:15:30] Voice 8: Yeah. Thanks.

[0:15:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah. I appreciate the intent of this suggestion, but I too was a little

[0:15:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): unsure about it. I have heard the advice not to have the information notes and that a bylaw

[0:15:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): should really be about bylaw things and additional information should be done as part of an outreach

[0:15:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): or education or communications program, but what I kind of, because I also, I went down a bit of a

[0:16:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): rabbit hole over the last five days or so, and also found this document, actually a farmer sent

[0:16:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): me there, so farmers are aware of it, and looked at, you know, various things, and it is quite

[0:16:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): comprehensive, and I feel like if we were going to have an information note, I'd rather have it

[0:16:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): somewhere more general because this applies to a lot more than setbacks and setbacks from water

[0:16:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): courses there's a lot in the document and if anything it should be somewhere more along with

[0:16:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): maybe even the OCP with policies that but I also think then I'm like oh where to put it and is that

[0:16:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and there's other many other regulations that so many activities on Denman need to follow that we

[0:16:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): We don't have the information notes because it gets overwhelming.

[0:16:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And so that's an abbreviated version of all the twists and turns my thinking has gone.

[0:16:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And so I would like to leave it out.

[0:17:03] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think it could not have the effect we want in that it could suggest that this is the

[0:17:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): only part of that best practices document that we think is worth pointing out.

[0:17:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and um that that's the only other thing people farmers need to think about so um and then given

[0:17:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah i have heard from various planners and in various circumstances concerned that information

[0:17:32] Trustee Busheikin (probable): notes aren't um don't belong in a land use bylaw and although i i do think they have a place

[0:17:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): place, I am, I'm wary. That's, that's what I think, but I, you know, I hear legally speaking

[0:17:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): there's, I don't know, but I, with this one, I just don't feel that there's a good reason to,

[0:17:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): or enough good reasons to keep it in compared to the concerns.

[0:17:59] Trustee Fast (probable): And it's Sue Ellen here. I'm, I'm also thinking, I like the idea of referring it to the regional

[0:18:06] Trustee Fast (probable): planning committee or something like that. And, and I'm not familiar enough with the local

[0:18:14] Trustee Fast (probable): denman uh farming community and how they get information or whether they would phone a planner

[0:18:19] Trustee Fast (probable): an island's trust planner over some topic like this or whether they would go to uh agricultural

[0:18:26] Trustee Fast (probable): uh sources um and i'm going to ask uh ioni smith um uh in a moment i'll ask you about

[0:18:35] Trustee Fast (probable): if you have any suggestions for where's a good place for farmers to get this kind of information

[0:18:40] Trustee Fast (probable): information. But meanwhile, I'm not in favour of adding it to the bylaw because it's something

[0:18:50] Trustee Fast (probable): that gets outdated as regulations change, and then it's incorrect in our bylaw. So I'll just,

[0:18:59] Trustee Fast (probable): that's my concern. But anyway, I'm going to ask a consultant, since she's been kind enough to

[0:19:04] Trustee Fast (probable): to join us here. Do you have any suggestions for us, Ione Smith?

[0:19:09] Voice 4: Sure. So the farmers tend to

[0:19:13] Voice 4: usually get their information from the regional agrologists with the Ministry of Agriculture and

[0:19:16] Voice 4: Food. The regional agrologists are best used for those types of specific questions around

[0:19:21] Voice 4: regulations and planning. And even though this is the code is part of the Ministry of Environment's

[0:19:27] Voice 4: Environmental Management Act, the regional agrologists are really well versed in the

[0:19:30] Voice 4: in the code of practice. So those are the best go-tos for Denman Island. The regional agrologist

[0:19:36] Voice 4: is Tom O'Dell. And I know for a fact that he has a lot of information about the code. There's also

[0:19:42] Voice 4: the agricultural planner, Reid Bailey, with the Minister of Agriculture and Food, who would be a

[0:19:47] Voice 4: good person for farmers to talk to. So my understanding is also that as a next step,

[0:19:52] Voice 4: the external referral would include some of those individuals for reviewing the draft bylaws. So

[0:19:59] Voice 4: So that's also an opportunity to get some feedback as to, you know, how to proceed with some of this language.

[0:20:05] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much. And I'm going to go to Trustee Critchley now. You've got your hand up, David, please go ahead.

[0:20:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes, thank you. I just wanted to respond to a couple of things that have been said about this.

[0:20:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yeah, I would agree as a general proposition that it's probably not good practice to be littering bylaws with information notes.

[0:20:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): However, in this particular case, I'll make the following points.

[0:20:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): Number one, we are talking about setbacks from watercourses and streams, wetlands.

[0:20:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): These are the most critical habitats that we have on these islands.

[0:20:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): And our duty to preserve and protect should be focused on them, if nothing else.

[0:20:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): Secondly, I think that here we have in the bylaw a specific section that is dealing with setbacks

[0:21:05] Trustee Critchley (probable): and we say except fences. So it's not just a matter of a lack of information

[0:21:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): in the bylaw, it's a matter that the bylaw wording can be misleading to somebody reading it.

[0:21:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): they think, oh, here's all the setbacks I need to be concerned about, because this is an

[0:21:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): agricultural bylaw. Here they are, you know, distance for structures, etc. And they would

[0:21:39] Trustee Critchley (probable): have no clue. I mean, most people are not sophisticated to know the existence of the

[0:21:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): Environmental Management Act, or the Code of Practice for Agricultural Environmental Management.

[0:21:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): you know many people aren't yes bigger farmers will be but other people will pull out their

[0:21:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): local denman bylaw that deals with agriculture matters and consult it for matters of setbacks

[0:22:05] Trustee Critchley (probable): and when they see that fences are accepted then they will think naturally oh well there's no

[0:22:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): regulation on that therefore i'll put my fence and let my animals graze right up to the edge of this

[0:22:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): this wetland. That would be very wrong. So it's not just a matter of a lack of information, but

[0:22:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): an implied misleading information in the bylaw in this circumstance. And that's why I think it is

[0:22:36] Trustee Critchley (probable): very important that it be included. So I'm going to make this motion, and if it doesn't get seconded,

[0:22:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): it will at least be on the record. So I'm going to move that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[0:22:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): amend proposed bylaw 229 by inserting following section 1.8 an information note stating that

[0:22:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): setbacks for fences are set out in the code of practice for agricultural environmental management

[0:23:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): under the environmental management act thank

[0:23:12] Trustee Fast (probable): you trustee critchley do i have a seconder

[0:23:15] Trustee Fast (probable): and i'm not seeing a seconder but i am seeing that laura is with us uh i'm just checking the

[0:23:24] Trustee Fast (probable): zoom technology thank you you moved and um uh so i don't have a seconder so uh thank you we'll just

[0:23:33] Trustee Fast (probable): move on and that'll be on the record uh thank you trustee critchley and uh any other questions

[0:23:41] Trustee Fast (probable): questions for the planner oh Vicki go ahead just as a point of information if a motion is not

[0:23:48] Trustee Fast (probable): seconded it does not go into the minutes as a rule as a general rule those are my guidelines

[0:23:54] Trustee Fast (probable): okay thank you that's good to know and uh I would

[0:23:59] Trustee Fast (probable): request that it

[0:23:59] Trustee Critchley (probable): be reflected in the minutes

[0:24:04] Trustee Fast (probable): that's a good comment uh Vicki you can just um mention it in the minutes right

[0:24:09] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[0:24:11] Voice 7: can I'll do that and okay we'll go from there thank

[0:24:15] Trustee Fast (probable): you very good and uh then I'd like to take

[0:24:21] Trustee Fast (probable): us um uh back to the uh motion that maybe we want to think about since we've just been talking about

[0:24:30] Trustee Fast (probable): 1.7 and 1.8 and the uh proposed change down there on uh page 46 or whatever it is down at the bottom

[0:24:40] Trustee Fast (probable): do we want to make that motion before we move into our big set of motions about the regulations

[0:24:46] Trustee Fast (probable): or maybe there are other motions coming from trustees um is there some motion uh that somebody

[0:24:54] Trustee Fast (probable): wants to make about uh the proposed language um and i'm looking at page 46 yes should we make that

[0:25:10] Trustee Fast (probable): before we do the first um readings of all of these i would assume we need to do that just

[0:25:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): uh sorry what

[0:25:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um what motion you're suggesting we make before we make the suite of motions

[0:25:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): well

[0:25:31] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm just seeing um i'm looking on page 46 and i see the uh recommended change

[0:25:37] Trustee Fast (probable): change from what's in the proposed bylaw 229 is in the left-hand column and then in the middle

[0:25:44] Trustee Fast (probable): column I'm assuming this is the proposed the recommended change from the planner maybe you

[0:25:49] Trustee Fast (probable): could speak to that planner mccarver have I got the right idea yeah

[0:25:52] Planner McCargar (probable): so I didn't set it up as a

[0:25:54] Planner McCargar (probable): formal resolution but this is the recommended language the the middle column there the October

[0:26:02] Planner McCargar (probable): October recommended change. I think I remember from last meeting that Trustee Boushekin had a

[0:26:09] Planner McCargar (probable): fair number of small changes that she was going to propose and so I'm wondering if there is agreement

[0:26:16] Planner McCargar (probable): around this language if it would fit within that list that she was proposing and and if not we can

[0:26:22] Planner McCargar (probable): discuss other language.

[0:26:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. So this could be done separately I'm seeing Trustee Boushekin

[0:26:31] Trustee Fast (probable): and um yeah if I may I I in

[0:26:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): preparing for this meeting I guess I erroneously and it was an error

[0:26:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): assume that those small changes would already be integrated into what was being forward because

[0:26:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I had I guess I had forgotten that there was a decision not to go ahead and look at them but to

[0:26:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): give us time to look at them so the law I don't actually I didn't wrap my head around or get the

[0:27:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): document up in front of me that i brought to the last meeting with those recommended minor but i

[0:27:06] Trustee Busheikin (probable): think important changes so we will then what i'm hearing is that what's presented is doesn't

[0:27:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): include those which is makes sense because we actually did not go ahead and and vote on them so

[0:27:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, yeah.

[0:27:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So then thank you, Chair Fast, for pointing that out.

[0:27:32] Voice 8: And, yeah.

[0:27:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Maybe we can deal with this recommended change on page 46 and 47 for sections 1.7 and 1.8 that Trustee Critchley brought up last time.

[0:27:49] Trustee Fast (probable): And then see if you've got other changes that you...

[0:27:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Sure.

[0:27:55] Trustee Fast (probable): can make or whether you want to keep them until after second reading to bring up at a later time

[0:28:02] Trustee Fast (probable): when we've heard from the public or you know it seems to me there might be other options but you

[0:28:07] Trustee Fast (probable): won't be here then.

[0:28:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Well I won't be here and I mean I guess for me the reason we're doing all

[0:28:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): this is that before the end of term to have a bylaw we can give first and second reading to

[0:28:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and say this is what we want to present to the community as the LTC's idea of the best possible

[0:28:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): approach at this point. So I would like to, and I have to say, I've worked on those quite

[0:28:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): intensively with staff. And it won't be hard for me to get them up in front of me again and get

[0:28:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): them on the screen again. It'll take a minute or two.

[0:28:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Well, stand by.

[0:28:41] Planner McCargar (probable): We've got Planner

[0:28:41] Planner McCargar (probable): McCarger here too. Go ahead. Yeah, I do have the recommended changes that Trustee Boucherkin had

[0:28:48] Planner McCargar (probable): had suggested. So I can do a share screen if desired. And I did, a lot of them were sort of,

[0:28:56] Planner McCargar (probable): you know, important, but like they were formatting type things or clarity. So I did go ahead and I do

[0:29:05] Planner McCargar (probable): have a version of the draft bylaw with Trustee Bouchakin's changes that I've highlighted. So I

[0:29:12] Planner McCargar (probable): I could share that because I thought if those changes were, if those resolutions were passed,

[0:29:18] Planner McCargar (probable): then we would have, you know, a bylaw going forward that we can give first and second reading

[0:29:24] Planner McCargar (probable): to. So I can, I can do a share screen of that as well. But yeah, some of them were, were quite,

[0:29:30] Planner McCargar (probable): you know, like there was just a question mark in boxes where there should be a tick or that type

[0:29:37] Planner McCargar (probable): type of thing so i think that they are important and um good yeah okay well

[0:29:44] Trustee Fast (probable): let's let if we can

[0:29:46] Trustee Fast (probable): let's deal with uh page 46 with the rec with the proposed recommended uh changes from staff

[0:29:53] Trustee Fast (probable): the october 22 the middle column there uh would somebody like to make a motion for amending

[0:30:00] Trustee Fast (probable): section 1.7 um i think it might be something like well you guys are good at at wording uh as well

[0:30:12] Trustee Fast (probable): but that the um what would it be trustee was shaken

[0:30:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): well i think this might if if

[0:30:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): conor mccarver shares her screen i think this was part of the um the collections of of things

[0:30:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I brought forward and I had tried to put them in proper resolution language. So let's see if that

[0:30:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): one is there. Let's see. Oh, my screen

[0:30:39] Trustee Fast (probable): has tiny writing. I see it says in 1.7, table one,

[0:30:46] Trustee Fast (probable): but it's not the wording that we need to adjust it.

[0:30:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Okay. Okay, then that's not here. So I'm going

[0:30:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to go ahead and try and motion so i move that denman island local trust committee bylaw 229

[0:31:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): cited as denman island land use bylaw 2008 amendment number one 2018 be amended as follows

[0:31:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): by replacing the uh language in by replacing the bulleted language in section 1.7

[0:31:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): actually go back be amended by comma or as follows this is hard in section 1.7 removing

[0:31:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the words or used to accommodate domesticated animals other than household pets that's nice

[0:31:52] Voice 8: and clear okay do i

[0:31:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): have a seconder it's gonna go on and on no it's only

[0:32:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): gonna go on and not on

[0:32:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and in section 1.8 removing the words or used to accommodate domesticated animals other than

[0:32:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): household pets very

[0:32:18] Voice 8: good shall

[0:32:20] Trustee Fast (probable): we do this one and then go to laura's list is what i'm hoping to do

[0:32:24] Trustee Fast (probable): unless i see oh i'm seeing a planner mccarger's hand up go ahead um

[0:32:29] Planner McCargar (probable): i i just want to to note

[0:32:31] Planner McCargar (probable): that it also needs to delete this part here, including fencing. Oh, okay. So I'm wondering

[0:32:41] Planner McCargar (probable): if we can just delete in its entirety and replace with.

[0:32:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Sure. So let's go back. Thank you, Vicki.

[0:32:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So delete the current bulleted text in its entirety and replace with 30 meters for buildings

[0:33:01] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and structures associated with agriculture except a fence.

[0:33:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Except for a fence?

[0:33:09] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Except for a fence.

[0:33:10] Trustee Busheikin (probable): That's what's in front of me.

[0:33:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Thank you.

[0:33:13] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And Vicki, that's on page 46 in the middle column.

[0:33:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And to make it simpler, it could just be in sections 1.7

[0:33:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and section, in sections 1.7 and 1.8.

[0:33:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:33:29] Trustee Fast (probable): I was wondering about poor old 1.8.

[0:33:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, and Trustee Critchley,

[0:33:34] Trustee Fast (probable): I heard you make a sound there yeah

[0:33:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): I think that should work I'll second it

[0:33:39] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you so we have a

[0:33:42] Trustee Fast (probable): motion moved and uh seconded um any more discussion or questions for our experts here

[0:33:51] Trustee Fast (probable): hearing none I'm going to call the question all those in favor

[0:33:54] Trustee Fast (probable): aye aye

[0:33:57] Trustee Critchley (probable): and

[0:33:59] Trustee Fast (probable): my hand goes up too thank you that passes unanimously good work everybody thank you

[0:34:03] Trustee Fast (probable): very much and now we're on to um the other items that laura bushaken has uh uh brought and has been

[0:34:13] Trustee Fast (probable): talking to the planner about so please go ahead laura and present your emotions okay and the

[0:34:18] Trustee Fast (probable): the

[0:34:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): typos type things are mentioned at the top of this email but they're not in a motion um which i

[0:34:26] Trustee Busheikin (probable): gather is a good way to do it because they're really formatting like errors that happen that

[0:34:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): our tech creates but like honestly um I have to say last week I actually had prepared like what

[0:34:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): pages these are on and a justification and I just don't have that but I can I think I have it

[0:34:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): somewhere in a document but Mr. Pitchie did say he wanted time to look these through and and you

[0:34:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): know wrap his head around them so assuming that's happened and I know staff supported these I would

[0:34:59] Trustee Busheikin (probable): just make the motion and not introduce they're really all about clarity and consistency okay

[0:35:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay um i why don't

[0:35:09] Trustee Fast (probable): you go ahead and make the motion go ahead i will

[0:35:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): read it out loud in case

[0:35:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): someone watches and listens to this later although i guess they would see the screen i'll do it

[0:35:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): for sake i move that the denman island local trust committee bylaw number two not excited

[0:35:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is denman island bylaw 2008 amendment number one 2008 the amendment as follows in 1.4

[0:35:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): or adding at the end of a second paragraph after resources,

[0:35:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): a comma and the words and on properties

[0:35:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in the agricultural land reserve

[0:35:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): without a temporary use permit.

[0:35:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): In 1.9, adding the words under commercial,

[0:35:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): adding the words under commercial after by adding.

[0:35:51] Trustee Busheikin (probable): In 1.13 table one item, one item,

[0:35:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): adding the words where permitted by a temporary use permit

[0:36:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): after the word act in 1.2 item 8 changing the text after the word one cabin to on a property

[0:36:11] Trustee Busheikin (probable): over four hectares and classified under the bc assessment act as farm and then continuing with

[0:36:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the following sentence should in 1.2 we're losing

[0:36:22] Trustee Fast (probable): some of your sound laura i'm just uh

[0:36:25] Trustee Fast (probable): oh it's coming and going but uh we can mostly hear you david are you happy with being able to

[0:36:32] Trustee Fast (probable): follow what's going on yes

[0:36:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): okay

[0:36:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): okay just continue okay that's bad internet um in 1.24 table three

[0:36:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): item six adding in the second and third columns the number one in 1.24 table three item seven

[0:36:47] Trustee Busheikin (probable): adding 410 square meters in the second and third columns in 1.24 table three items eight and nine

[0:36:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): including the number one in each column in 1.31 objective removing the words and as permitted in

[0:37:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): the agricultural land use reserve use regulations.

[0:37:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you so that's a comprehensive list and

[0:37:13] Trustee Fast (probable): does anybody have any questions before I ask for a seconder?

[0:37:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): I would just ask the planner is

[0:37:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): uh okay with all of these i take it planner

[0:37:31] Trustee Fast (probable): mccarger can you comment correct

[0:37:33] Planner McCargar (probable): yeah they're

[0:37:34] Planner McCargar (probable): like trustee bouchakin said they're really around sort of clarity and consistency um i can share the

[0:37:42] Planner McCargar (probable): the draft bylaw with the changes highlighted if that's helpful

[0:37:47] Trustee Critchley (probable): no it's just uh it's fine by me i didn't pick up any issues with them but uh i just wanted to make

[0:37:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): sure from a professional planner point of view you're on board with it that's fine i'll second it

[0:38:00] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you so we've got uh this um motion moved and seconded and uh any more discussion or questions

[0:38:10] Trustee Fast (probable): noting that we have um our uplands consulting uh planner here as well ione smith

[0:38:18] Trustee Fast (probable): and i'm not seeing any questions trustee critchley or trustee none okay then i'm going to

[0:38:25] Trustee Fast (probable): call the question all those in favor aye aye very good both and me my hand went up as well so that

[0:38:36] Trustee Fast (probable): passes unanimously uh thank you very much uh laura and uh david for your careful work and now i'm um

[0:38:47] Trustee Fast (probable): hoping that we may be in a position to go to page two of our package

[0:38:53] Trustee Fast (probable): to the recommendations relating to moving this forward.

[0:39:00] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'm scrolling up madly, sorry.

[0:39:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Here we are, page two of the package, today's package.

[0:39:07] Trustee Fast (probable): And is there anybody who would like to begin?

[0:39:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Who would like to begin?

[0:39:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, Laura.

[0:39:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I will.

[0:39:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I move that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[0:39:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): has reviewed the island's trust policy statement director's only checklist and determined that

[0:39:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): bylaw number 228 cited as denman island official community plan bylaw 2008 amendment number one

[0:39:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 2018 is not contrary to or at variance with the island's trust policy statement thank

[0:39:34] Trustee Fast (probable): you do i

[0:39:35] Trustee Fast (probable): have a seconder a second thank

[0:39:37] Trustee Fast (probable): you so we've got a motion moved and seconded any more discussion or

[0:39:42] Trustee Fast (probable): questions okay then i'll call the question all those in favor thank you trustee critchley hi

[0:39:53] Voice 8: and

[0:39:53] Trustee Fast (probable): my hand goes up as well thank you that's passes unanimously and i just uh alternate

[0:39:59] Trustee Fast (probable): david

[0:40:02] Trustee Critchley (probable): okay i'll move the demo local trust committee bylaw number 228 cited as denman island official

[0:40:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): community plan 2008 amendment number 1 2018 be read a first time

[0:40:11] Trustee Fast (probable): second thank you and uh i'm

[0:40:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion?

[0:40:18] Voice 9: Nope.

[0:40:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Then I'll call the question.

[0:40:20] Trustee Fast (probable): And if you can say it as well, that would really be helpful.

[0:40:25] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[0:40:28] Voice 7: Aye.

[0:40:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good.

[0:40:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Both local trustees have said in favor.

[0:40:32] Trustee Fast (probable): My hand goes up as well.

[0:40:33] Trustee Fast (probable): That passes unanimously.

[0:40:35] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm saying this for Vicki in case she can't see.

[0:40:38] Trustee Fast (probable): So taking the minutes.

[0:40:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:40:40] Trustee Fast (probable): And on to the next one, Trustee Boucherkin.

[0:40:43] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[0:40:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): move that the Devon Island Local Trust Committee

[0:40:45] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Community bylaw number 228, said it is Devon Island Official Community Plan 2008,

[0:40:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Amendment number 1, 2018, be read a second time.

[0:40:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Do I have a seconder?

[0:40:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'll second that.

[0:40:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:40:58] Trustee Fast (probable): And any more discussion or questions for the planners?

[0:41:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'll just make a

[0:41:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): comment, if I may.

[0:41:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead.

[0:41:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): When I first saw this, I'm wondering about why we're giving first and second reading to it.

[0:41:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): But of course, looking at the past history, normally we would be going to second reading on the Agricultural Regulations Bylaw, but because of our procedure of actually revoking an earlier draft of it and starting again,

[0:41:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): Again, I do think it's in order to give two readings at this time, just to get it, catch it up to where it would have been had we adopted a different procedure.

[0:41:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): So just to explain why we're doing that. Thank you.

[0:41:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. That's a good note to make in the recording. And thank you very much.

[0:41:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Any other comments or discussion? Then I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[0:42:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Aye.

[0:42:04] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[0:42:05] Voice 7: and

[0:42:06] Trustee Fast (probable): I so that's three hands went up the local trustees and myself and that's passed thank you

[0:42:13] Trustee Fast (probable): so on to number four trustee Critchley yeah

[0:42:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'll move the local trust committee has reviewed the

[0:42:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): honest trust policy statement directives only checklist and determined that bylaw number 229

[0:42:26] Trustee Critchley (probable): cited as Denman Island land use bylaw 2008 amendment number 1 2018 is not contrary to

[0:42:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): or at variance with the honest trust policy statement thank

[0:42:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): you point of order before i

[0:42:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): second that do we need to add as amended after the after the cited as because we just amended it

[0:42:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): good

[0:42:50] Voice 8: point um any advice from

[0:42:53] Trustee Fast (probable): the planning team i think trustee critchley thinks we should so

[0:42:58] Trustee Fast (probable): david could you uh read that again with the words as amended okay

[0:43:03] Trustee Critchley (probable): i'll move to the dem non-local

[0:43:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): trust committee has reviewed the honest trust policy statement directives only checklist

[0:43:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): list and to determine that bylaw number 229 as amended cited as Denman Island land use bylaw

[0:43:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): number 2008 amendment number 1218 is not contrary to or at variance with the island's trust policy

[0:43:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): statement thank

[0:43:25] Trustee Fast (probable): you and do I have a seconder yeah I'll second it thank you I can just barely see two

[0:43:29] Trustee Fast (probable): of your fingers on the edge there that's yeah thank you and uh uh that's great thank you any

[0:43:35] Trustee Fast (probable): more comment or discussion yeah

[0:43:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): i have a question uh now just occurred to me the way that we're

[0:43:43] Trustee Critchley (probable): citing this um as amendment number one 2018 did that like should that language be carried over

[0:43:50] Trustee Critchley (probable): since we rescinded the the other reading does it get a new title um because since we rescinded it

[0:43:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): um it really wouldn't be 2018 would it in terms of a

[0:44:01] Voice 7: reference i think it's

[0:44:07] Planner McCargar (probable): still the title yeah

[0:44:09] Planner McCargar (probable): I think it stays the same. That's the, I could double check with our ledge clerk, but as far as I know, she didn't pick up on this when it was, yeah, when I put it through to her, but that is a good point.

[0:44:29] Trustee Fast (probable): let's take two minutes or no let's take five minutes get people a chance to get a cup of tea

[0:44:34] Trustee Fast (probable): and make sure that this is all in order uh because it has we have been breaking it up a little bit

[0:44:40] Trustee Fast (probable): and um is that uh anybody got a problem with that okay let's come back together at 11 06 thank you

[0:44:50] Voice 9: okay

[0:44:51] Voice 7: okay everybody there's most of us back and we're

[0:50:03] Trustee Fast (probable): mostly back and that's great we're all back

[0:50:09] Trustee Fast (probable): thanks everybody and uh did you get a chance to get any information for us uh planner mcarger

[0:50:16] Planner McCargar (probable): yes

[0:50:17] Planner McCargar (probable): so the title is the title and does not need to be changed um yeah that was confirmed and i did just

[0:50:26] Planner McCargar (probable): i was kind of wondering about the resolution that was passed for the bylaw to be read a first time

[0:50:32] Planner McCargar (probable): as amended and i just asked about as the as amended part and if it's possible if we're

[0:50:40] Planner McCargar (probable): able to cancel that motion and just pass the motion as is written in the staff report because

[0:50:47] Planner McCargar (probable): it's a draft bylaw and so basically um any changes that are there's because the first reading was

[0:50:54] Planner McCargar (probable): rescinded there's really no bylaw currently before you to be amended you're you can make changes to

[0:51:00] Planner McCargar (probable): the draft bylaw as which we did what you did

[0:51:03] Planner McCargar (probable): so it's it's just being passed or being read a first

[0:51:07] Planner McCargar (probable): time okay so i don't know what

[0:51:11] Planner McCargar (probable): the minute taker would have to do or if that's possible just to

[0:51:15] Planner McCargar (probable): make it it's not the end of the world but if we could just make it as clean as possible

[0:51:18] Planner McCargar (probable): um that was the recommendation that was given to me it

[0:51:22] Trustee Fast (probable): hasn't been seconded yet has it well

[0:51:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, what I think Planner McCarger is talking about is going back to the

[0:51:32] Voice 8: previous

[0:51:33] Trustee Fast (probable): one where we included the words as amended.

[0:51:36] Trustee Fast (probable): That would be number four, and that's the one we're discussing now, is it not?

[0:51:40] Trustee Fast (probable): But it has been seconded.

[0:51:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, we can friendly amendment just take that out. It's okay, I believe.

[0:51:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay?

[0:51:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes.

[0:51:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, great. And I'm seeing nodding from Trustee Boucherkin, so by consent, we'll remove the words as amended.

[0:51:58] Trustee Fast (probable): very good thank you very much and um then any more discussion thank you for getting that

[0:52:07] Trustee Fast (probable): information any more discussion or comment no

[0:52:11] Trustee Critchley (probable): okay

[0:52:12] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you and uh then i'm going to call

[0:52:15] Trustee Fast (probable): the question all those in favor of recommendation number four as written and trustee critchley thank

[0:52:25] Trustee Fast (probable): you and my hand goes up as well that passes unanimously very good okay okay

[0:52:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): i'll move then

[0:52:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): to the denman island local trust committee bylaw number 229 cited as denman island land use bylaw

[0:52:40] Trustee Critchley (probable): 2008 amendment number one 2008 the red a first time and

[0:52:46] Trustee Fast (probable): i see a seconder in trustee bushekin

[0:52:48] Trustee Fast (probable): any more discussion seeing none i'm hearing none i will call the question all those in favor

[0:52:59] Voice 7: aye okay

[0:53:00] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you that um passes oh and my hand goes up as well so that passes unanimously

[0:53:06] Trustee Fast (probable): uh thank you very much local trustees and the next one number

[0:53:12] Voice 7: six can't hear you laura yes

[0:53:18] Trustee Busheikin (probable): unmuting uh i move that the denman island local trust committee bylaw number 229 cited as denman

[0:53:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): island land use bylaw 2008 amendment number one 2008 be read a second time thank

[0:53:31] Trustee Fast (probable): you do i have

[0:53:32] Trustee Fast (probable): second thank you very good and uh um any more discussion questions comments hearing none i'm

[0:53:42] Trustee Fast (probable): going to call the question all those in favor aye aye

[0:53:47] Voice 7: and

[0:53:48] Trustee Fast (probable): aye thank you that's three hands go up

[0:53:50] Trustee Fast (probable): that passes unanimously and we're on to number seven i

[0:53:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): can move that the deminon local trust

[0:53:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): committee requests staff to refer bylaws number 228 and 229 to the following agencies and first

[0:54:05] Trustee Critchley (probable): nations for comment um and i would just say as set out in the recommendations very good because

[0:54:14] Trustee Fast (probable): there's a long list there and it goes over the page um as far as uh first nations and other um

[0:54:26] Trustee Fast (probable): agencies and groups so thank you very much do i have a seconder

[0:54:32] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you trustee bushekin any more discussion i'll

[0:54:38] Voice 8: call a question all those in favor

[0:54:41] Voice 7: hi

[0:54:41] Trustee Fast (probable): hi hi that's three hands went up that passes unanimously thank you and over the page there's

[0:54:48] Trustee Fast (probable): one more um

[0:54:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): i moved that the denman island local trust committee requests staff to schedule a

[0:54:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): community information meeting and public hearing for bylaws 228 and 229 well that's 228 ocp and

[0:55:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): 229 lub after the referral response period is complete thank

[0:55:08] Trustee Fast (probable): you do i have a seconder

[0:55:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'll second that.

[0:55:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you and any more discussion or questions?

[0:55:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): I have a question on this as far as

[0:55:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): the scheduling. I think that I know in the past in some occasions we have had a public

[0:55:27] Trustee Critchley (probable): information meeting community information meeting and then moved right on in the same meeting to

[0:55:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): having the public hearing. I'm concerned that because of the importance of this one,

[0:55:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): especially in regards to the secondary dwellings on agricultural land, I think we should have

[0:55:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): an interval between that. And I'm just wondering if we need to specify that in a motion or if

[0:56:01] Trustee Critchley (probable): staff would just arrange that it's

[0:56:06] Trustee Fast (probable): it's sue ellen here i think it kind of depends on uh what referral

[0:56:10] Trustee Fast (probable): responses we receive and uh and how many but uh over to you planner mccarver yeah

[0:56:18] Planner McCargar (probable): like trustee

[0:56:19] Planner McCargar (probable): critchley says it can be done either way so i think if there's a preference for it to be done

[0:56:24] Planner McCargar (probable): separately um i think it could just be noted in the minutes or if you wanted you could make a

[0:56:32] Planner McCargar (probable): formal resolution but um either way is fine it

[0:56:38] Trustee Fast (probable): occurs to me that we're near the end of term and

[0:56:41] Trustee Fast (probable): that this might be um uh something that could take a while looking at some of the groups that we're

[0:56:48] Trustee Fast (probable): referring to because some of them may be um coming back together as new elected groups and um

[0:57:00] Trustee Fast (probable): or it might take a short time.

[0:57:02] Trustee Fast (probable): We don't know what kind of referral feedback we will get.

[0:57:06] Trustee Fast (probable): My preference would be to leave it up to staff,

[0:57:11] Trustee Fast (probable): but I'm not sure.

[0:57:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Boucher, do you have any thoughts on this?

[0:57:19] Voice 8: Yeah, no.

[0:57:21] Voice 8: I mean, I'm sort

[0:57:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): of assuming that the referral period

[0:57:25] Trustee Busheikin (probable): is a formal referral deadline.

[0:57:31] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And if so, what is it?

[0:57:32] Planner McCargar (probable): Yeah, it's a 60-day referral period.

[0:57:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, so then we'd be well into the next term.

[0:57:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I feel like maybe this should just be left as anything is possible with the scheduling

[0:57:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and the new LTC members then could weigh in.

[0:57:49] Trustee Busheikin (probable): That kind of thing is usually done by staff contacting LTC members, like behind the scenes.

[0:57:54] Trustee Busheikin (probable): It doesn't need a motion for meeting timing.

[0:57:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And it may depend on, you know, there could be what's preferable.

[0:58:02] Trustee Busheikin (probable): than what is practicable, which, you know, we do need to look at in terms of scheduling.

[0:58:08] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I do know that community members have often expressed a desire for more meetings on

[0:58:16] Trustee Busheikin (probable): evenings or on weekends so that people with what one could call regular working hours have the

[0:58:23] Trustee Busheikin (probable): option to go to those. And so it's always, or not always, but it tends to be our approach to

[0:58:29] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to have our regular business meetings during office hours

[0:58:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and nine to five Monday to Friday,

[0:58:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and our public hearings

[0:58:37] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and our community information meetings

[0:58:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in evenings and weekends.

[0:58:43] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And so that means two of those,

[0:58:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): which, and I do think it's better to have them in person,

[0:58:53] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in particular, the community information meeting.

[0:58:55] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, yeah, I kind of, I'm torn between seeing the practicality of having the CIM and then the public hearing right after each other, and then it's one night out for community members, and like it's, yeah, one stop shopping for community members.

[0:59:14] Trustee Busheikin (probable): They go, they get the information, they get to ask questions.

[0:59:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): In fact, now that I'm thinking about it out loud, I actually think maybe that's better.

[0:59:24] Trustee Busheikin (probable): If you have the CIM one week and the public hearing the next week, it's easier for people to mix them up and then they use the CIM, as we all have seen, as a chance to give input on the bylaws in the form of a question, which isn't really useful and it's wasting their time.

[0:59:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): So, yeah, I guess my upshot is that I see pros and cons of both ways.

[0:59:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I don't have a strong preference.

[0:59:48] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And I think it should be left up to the new LTC.

[0:59:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:59:54] Trustee Fast (probable): So that means that we would leave the wording if you were to make the motion.

[1:00:00] Trustee Fast (probable): you would be leaving the wording as is um yeah but we did make the motion and it has been seconded

[1:00:05] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh um so the wording is currently as it stands on the sheet in front of us um

[1:00:13] Trustee Fast (probable): up to the next uh local trust committee did you have strong feelings about wanting to uh make an

[1:00:21] Trustee Fast (probable): amendment motion trustee Critchley no

[1:00:25] Trustee Critchley (probable): I think staff has heard the commentary and we'll be

[1:00:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): consulting with the the new ltc in in the next term okey

[1:00:34] Trustee Fast (probable): -doke then uh any more questions or

[1:00:36] Trustee Fast (probable): discussion on this motion no

[1:00:40] Voice 7: then

[1:00:41] Trustee Fast (probable): i'll call the question all those in favor hi

[1:00:44] Voice 7: hi

[1:00:45] Trustee Fast (probable): hi thank you

[1:00:47] Trustee Fast (probable): that's three hands that went up uh the motion carries and um well done everybody and i see

[1:00:54] Trustee Fast (probable): that trustee bushekin has her hand up there go ahead yeah

[1:00:57] Trustee Busheikin (probable): although um it is all likely to happen

[1:01:00] Trustee Busheikin (probable): in the time of the new local trust committee i do have a question about communications um

[1:01:07] Trustee Busheikin (probable): do we need a motion if we wanted a bit of a communications some communications

[1:01:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): activity around this i'm thinking like something as simple as uh an uh flyer like a one-page

[1:01:21] Trustee Busheikin (probable): flyer in the grapevine which doesn't cost very much that would just in plain language say what

[1:01:27] Trustee Busheikin (probable): this is i mean i think that material will be prepared for the community information meeting

[1:01:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): um there's you know you look at all these um amendments and you're like what does it mean

[1:01:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): but it's actually fairly simple it's you know

[1:01:40] Voice 7: yeah

[1:01:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): so would that happen as a matter of course

[1:01:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): or it could just be a media release to the local paper something something ahead of the community

[1:01:52] Trustee Busheikin (probable): information meeting uh partly to quell all the um wild rumors that tend to circulate around this

[1:01:58] Trustee Busheikin (probable): project in particular like at one point there was a rumor that we were going to outlaw um gardening

[1:02:04] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and orchards on private property uh that was a recent one and um so yeah that is my question

[1:02:15] Trustee Busheikin (probable): around communications so

[1:02:18] Trustee Fast (probable): would uh information be provided to the community ahead of uh community

[1:02:25] Trustee Fast (probable): information meeting uh through the papers or through a flyer is that your question

[1:02:30] Trustee Busheikin (probable): well we have a newspaper that you can put a insert a flyer in and then it goes to

[1:02:34] Trustee Busheikin (probable): agree home so it's a lot cheaper than doing an actual mail out through the post

[1:02:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): there would

[1:02:40] Planner McCargar (probable): be advertising

[1:02:41] Trustee Busheikin (probable): yeah okay well i guess it would be advertising yeah you could call it

[1:02:46] Trustee Busheikin (probable): advertising now okay thank you and i'm going to

[1:02:50] Trustee Busheikin (probable): just submit an article um yeah

[1:02:54] Trustee Fast (probable): okay hang on hang

[1:02:57] Trustee Fast (probable): on please laura i'm gonna uh trustee critchley you were trying to say something there yeah

[1:03:02] Trustee Critchley (probable): i i do

[1:03:03] Trustee Critchley (probable): support the idea of uh giving some condensed information uh to the community and and i think

[1:03:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): a flyer would be a good way to do it um and i think um you know staff preparation of that uh

[1:03:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): uh, summary would be the best thing. So I'm, again, I'm not sure whether a motion is necessary

[1:03:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): for that or if staff just accept that, uh, commentary and act upon it.

[1:03:31] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't think we

[1:03:32] Trustee Fast (probable): need to make a motion at this point. That's again, getting into, uh, uh, next local trust committee,

[1:03:38] Trustee Fast (probable): um, uh, timeline. So, um, but, uh, we've heard what was said here and I'm seeing, uh, staff

[1:03:46] Trustee Fast (probable): staff paying attention so those are good suggestions thank you Laura and keep the

[1:03:52] Trustee Fast (probable): suggestions coming even after the end of term we always encourage everybody to be involved in

[1:03:59] Trustee Fast (probable): and participate and you've got a lot to offer as as do many of course all kinds of Denman Islanders

[1:04:09] Trustee Fast (probable): so is there any more comments or discussion or business that people want to do today not

[1:04:15] Trustee Fast (probable): business items i don't have anything else on the agenda um but i'll just like to say thank you very

[1:04:22] Trustee Fast (probable): much everybody and uh i think we're coming towards um the end of the meeting uh in terms of wrapping

[1:04:30] Trustee Fast (probable): up uh this uh meeting that spanned october 6th then there was a pause now we're reconvening

[1:04:37] Trustee Fast (probable): october 14th just for anybody picking this up at the end um so this is a uh there was a recess in

[1:04:44] Trustee Fast (probable): in the middle. And we are now completing this meeting. I'm just going to put, I see the hand

[1:04:50] Trustee Fast (probable): of Ione Smith from Upland Consulting. Ione?

[1:04:53] Voice 4: Yeah, I just wanted to take the opportunity to thank you

[1:04:56] Voice 4: and to say it was so nice to work with you all. This sort of marks the end of my involvement in

[1:04:59] Voice 4: this project. And I just wanted to say thanks. And it's great to see us get to this point. And I

[1:05:05] Voice 4: also wanted to put a shout out to Marlis for all her hard work too behind the scenes. So

[1:05:09] Voice 4: thanks, everybody. It's been really great working with Dem and again, always, always a pleasure.

[1:05:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, Trustee Boushegan.

[1:05:17] Trustee Busheikin (probable): Yeah, I'm just following up on that.

[1:05:19] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I'd like to thank you also, Ione,

[1:05:22] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and you really got this going in a really good way with the,

[1:05:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I think the survey in particular was really useful and powerful

[1:05:33] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and just the whole, it kept moving.

[1:05:36] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And in the past, it hasn't.

[1:05:38] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And so that's great.

[1:05:40] Trustee Busheikin (probable): And also just because this is my last LTC meeting,

[1:05:42] Trustee Busheikin (probable): I do want to, you know, I mean, obviously I'm happy with my choice to move on to other things and it's exciting and I'm going out to celebrate tonight, but also there's a lot of sadness and some of it is around the people and the wonderful people I get to work with, but also around the work, which, you know, for all it can get so detailed and we're looking at check marks and question marks and columns

[1:06:12] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and numbers like it's it's significant work when it comes down to it and I've been thinking about

[1:06:20] Trustee Busheikin (probable): how I I'll miss having that the work as well and I know that everyone here um is here because

[1:06:28] Trustee Busheikin (probable): we feel that the work is is very meaningful um and put a lot into it and it really is beautiful

[1:06:35] Trustee Busheikin (probable): to be part of that so I just I just want to say thank you it's been a pleasure to work with each

[1:06:39] Trustee Busheikin (probable): and every one of you.

[1:06:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you and before we get to the end I just saw a little circle I've got

[1:06:46] Trustee Fast (probable): here beside the idea of referring this work to the Regional Planning Committee. This was a motion

[1:06:53] Trustee Fast (probable): proposed earlier in the meeting and because we've had Ione Smith's input I think this is like the

[1:07:01] Trustee Fast (probable): most up-to-date farming regulation and farming planning advice that we've got in the Islands

[1:07:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Trust area right now. I could be wrong but I'm wondering if as our final thing did we want to

[1:07:18] Trustee Fast (probable): refer it or is this just something that we'll pick up as part of our whoever is the next local trust

[1:07:25] Trustee Fast (probable): committee's work but i did want to recognize the the um how up-to-date and uh uh special this was

[1:07:34] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm not seeing any any other motions at this time uh david did you have a comment that you

[1:07:39] Trustee Fast (probable): wanted to make then we'll just let that go no

[1:07:43] Trustee Critchley (probable): i think we're just getting into the uh

[1:07:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): thank yous and and appreciations and i would just like to add mine that it has been a pleasure

[1:07:52] Trustee Critchley (probable): working with uh staff uh all the staff that have been involved not just those that are present

[1:07:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): on the call today but other staff as well um staff get a lot of heat from the public well as as do

[1:08:05] Trustee Critchley (probable): the trustees but i guess it goes with the territory um i just like to express my appreciation for the

[1:08:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): uh professionalism skills and patience of the professional staff that we have

[1:08:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): um and and uh to thank ioni for her services uh in this important project for denman

[1:08:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'd also like to thank Laura as my colleague

[1:08:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): on the Demond Island Local Trust Committee

[1:08:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): as the two elected trustees.

[1:08:37] Trustee Critchley (probable): We haven't seen eye to eye on a number of things,

[1:08:40] Trustee Critchley (probable): including some today,

[1:08:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): but it's always been done as pleasant disagreements,

[1:08:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): respectful disagreements, and we move on.

[1:08:51] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I appreciate that.

[1:08:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): I appreciate her diligence and her skill

[1:08:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): and her intelligence and carrying out her duties as a trustee.

[1:09:01] Trustee Critchley (probable): And I would say the same about our dear chair, Trustee Fast, Chair Fast.

[1:09:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): Very much appreciate your chairing of the Denmanaw Local Trust Committee.

[1:09:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): Chairing is not an easy job.

[1:09:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): You know, I think Abraham Lincoln's comment about being unable to please all the people all the time

[1:09:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): is most apt in terms of chairing.

[1:09:26] Trustee Critchley (probable): We see chatter in various newspapers, not just the local ones, but on all islands and even amongst trustees.

[1:09:35] Trustee Critchley (probable): We've recently had some criticism of chairs. So it's a it's a tough gig.

[1:09:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): And Chair Fast, I think you did a wonderful job in pulling it off and I wish you all the best in the future.

[1:09:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): Thank you.

[1:09:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to work with this local trust committee.

[1:09:51] Trustee Fast (probable): I know that everything's going to have been looked at very thoroughly and I can focus on the chairing part more.

[1:09:59] Trustee Fast (probable): And it's been a pleasure. Thanks, everybody, including Vicky and Will behind the scenes.

[1:10:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Marlis, of course, and Ione and especially Laura Beshaken.

[1:10:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Laura. I still have your handout from years ago called How to Be Wise from like eight years ago.

[1:10:20] Trustee Fast (probable): And thank you, Trustee Critchley.

[1:10:22] Trustee Fast (probable): And thanks, everybody.

[1:10:24] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to declare this meeting adjourned.

[1:10:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks, all.

[1:10:30] Trustee Critchley (probable): Bye-bye.