Saturna Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, October 20, 2022

[0:00:00] can we take students that means no swears

[0:00:03] Trustee Middleton (probable): okay no swearing and probably we're not being recorded

[0:00:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): yes okay um well without uh further ado i think i'll call this meeting of the saturn

[0:00:19] Trustee Middleton (probable): local trust committee to the 20th 2022 to order um and i just want to acknowledge that we are

[0:00:29] Trustee Middleton (probable): meeting today on the traditional territories of the coast salish people and we're grateful

[0:00:32] Trustee Middleton (probable): grateful to do so, they live and work here.

[0:00:37] Trustee Middleton (probable): The first item is approval of the agenda.

[0:00:43] Trustee Middleton (probable): Everyone's, you're all.

[0:00:44] Trustee Middleton (probable): Do you want this, this whole?

[0:00:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): Might as well take it, since I

[0:00:48] Voice 6: went to trouble

[0:00:49] Voice 6: and accidentally printed.

[0:00:51] Voice 6: So Chair, perhaps under new business,

[0:00:55] Voice 6: we should do the adoption of the bylaws number 133 and 134.

[0:01:06] Voice 6: okay

[0:01:06] Trustee Middleton (probable): i think uh i come through there so we can do that by consent i think

[0:01:14] Trustee Middleton (probable): and then the new next regular meeting uh just making the regrets um yeah it's in the agenda

[0:01:22] Trustee Middleton (probable): right now right now yeah yeah and i always should just say before we begin i'd just like to

[0:01:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): i think you won't know them but the regional plan of brad smith who's kindly offering his

[0:01:34] Trustee Middleton (probable): guidance and advice to us here at this this meeting and um and i'm my name is lee middleton

[0:01:39] Trustee Middleton (probable): i'm the trustee um let's turn on my colleague here is paul brent this is his last meeting

[0:01:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): i was busy last trust meeting hopefully last meeting

[0:01:51] Trustee Middleton (probable): because i hope to be around

[0:01:53] Voice 6: for a couple

[0:01:53] Voice 6: more years anyway yes

[0:01:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): so i was busy making a cake i ran out of time but you know the cake will be

[0:01:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): coming and so uh paul has served for um 11 years is that correct so so uh so we want to on the

[0:02:08] Trustee Middleton (probable): minutes i think we can officially thank him for his service and we look forward to a productive

[0:02:14] Trustee Middleton (probable): partnership with the capital regional district because paul as you've been probably aware has

[0:02:20] Trustee Middleton (probable): been elected the regional director for the agricultural finance so i will be the first

[0:02:25] Trustee Middleton (probable): in line for gas tax money because i understand pop can simply just give it away

[0:02:32] Voice 2: so should we have a round of applause yeah

[0:02:38] Voice 5: and so well you didn't clap brad

[0:02:40] Voice 5: i

[0:02:41] Voice 3: wasn't sure

[0:02:45] Voice 3: we were talking that you were leaving

[0:02:46] Voice 3: no it's

[0:02:53] Trustee Middleton (probable): actually you know we are actually quite fortunate now with the islands trust

[0:02:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): trust in the capital regional district.

[0:02:58] Trustee Middleton (probable): It's what former trustee on South's been called

[0:03:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): integrated governance,

[0:03:02] Trustee Middleton (probable): where we actually have a close relationship

[0:03:04] Trustee Middleton (probable): between both regional bodies.

[0:03:07] Trustee Middleton (probable): So that should be,

[0:03:09] Trustee Middleton (probable): and I should also introduce for the record,

[0:03:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): Mark Boland, who's here joining us today,

[0:03:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): who's trustee elect, just to turn it.

[0:03:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): And-

[0:03:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): Hi.

[0:03:31] Trustee Middleton (probable): So, great. So, thank you. So, that's an approved agenda. The next section would be trustees slash chairs report, seeing as we're running the same. Do you want to speak to anything, Paul?

[0:03:42] Trustee Middleton (probable): i

[0:03:42] Voice 6: don't really think i have anything to say other than i'm just going to make a little remark in

[0:03:46] Voice 6: respect of uh the elections and in respect of local trust committees and the southern

[0:03:50] Voice 6: violence is the um elections were extraordinarily respectful between the candidates i mean the

[0:03:57] Voice 6: dynamics and so there was a lot of fun there was yeah it was just like so wonderful to see that

[0:04:04] Voice 6: you know they all stated their position but they all had lots of fun in doing so and it was

[0:04:08] Voice 6: is extremely professional and a very good representation

[0:04:12] Voice 6: of how our communities can act beautifully together.

[0:04:16] Voice 6: That's it for me.

[0:04:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): Very nice, thank you.

[0:04:21] Trustee Middleton (probable): And yes, just in general updates about the community,

[0:04:25] Trustee Middleton (probable): I've been spending a lot of time,

[0:04:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): more time than one might think should be spent, I would say,

[0:04:30] Trustee Middleton (probable): on the Parks Liaison Committee

[0:04:32] Trustee Middleton (probable): in regards to the siting of two benches

[0:04:35] Trustee Middleton (probable): and two signs at East 1.

[0:04:38] Trustee Middleton (probable): I am happy to report that a resolution has been achieved and the benches and the signs will now

[0:04:44] Trustee Middleton (probable): be at the lookout point and what's neat about the benches is they're going to be carved.

[0:04:49] Trustee Middleton (probable): I don't think they have exactly defined who it's going to be but it was a carver with the

[0:04:56] Trustee Middleton (probable): Salvation so they'll be carved with benches and I'm only being slightly joking but it was very

[0:05:02] Trustee Middleton (probable): very controversial amongst community members where those benches go people seem to have strong

[0:05:07] Trustee Middleton (probable): feelings about the location of things out at this point but what was preserved was that kind of

[0:05:14] Trustee Middleton (probable): stark iconic landscape we all love with the fog along building the idea there'd be no signs and no

[0:05:20] Trustee Middleton (probable): no extra features there and that also was the wishes of the the sale cultural monitors whereas

[0:05:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): is of course up uh by the light station there's all manner of like piles of rubble and changing

[0:05:33] Trustee Middleton (probable): the fence and whatnot so it's it seems that you're going to put something somewhere so that's just

[0:05:38] Trustee Middleton (probable): kind of generalized so those should be they've left the contracts now so those should be

[0:05:43] Trustee Middleton (probable): i will be installed in the next few months and so what is kind of me and i will express thanks for

[0:05:49] Trustee Middleton (probable): is a there's a sailor who's um i don't think i ever knew her name but she's recorded a blessing

[0:05:56] Trustee Middleton (probable): thing in the welcome is in chatham and it says english company it's a box and you go

[0:06:00] Trustee Middleton (probable): and it winds up and it speaks and then you know when you stop cranking it it stops speaking so

[0:06:06] Trustee Middleton (probable): it's kind of a cool thing so it's of course french and english of course and whale song

[0:06:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): just whale song that you can listen to so anyway that's just a bit of i'm not strictly trust

[0:06:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): business but the park is obviously a big deal here on saturnus so i figured i'd

[0:06:22] Trustee Middleton (probable): mentioned that to you guys you're now first to know well actually not first to know but

[0:06:28] Trustee Middleton (probable): sounds good

[0:06:31] Trustee Middleton (probable): early yes um and in just in terms of trust other trust business um trying to think of anything

[0:06:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): before the election obviously sort of put a briefer on things so i don't i don't really

[0:06:45] Trustee Middleton (probable): think there's anything else to report and our chair she wanted she said she's in germany right

[0:06:51] Trustee Middleton (probable): now. She's drowning with sorrows of a heart now that she won. She was successful in her election

[0:06:58] Trustee Middleton (probable): on South Spring, so she's now consuming vast quantities of beer in Munich, wondering what

[0:07:03] Trustee Middleton (probable): she got herself into. And so, but she did express, well I probably shouldn't say that on the live

[0:07:09] Trustee Middleton (probable): streaming today, but I mean she's advising in cultural activities in southern Germany at this

[0:07:15] Trustee Middleton (probable): point in time and especially she did say it has been an absolute pleasure to be our chair

[0:07:24] Trustee Middleton (probable): if you wanted to put the express appreciation and gratitude to the community for being so welcoming

[0:07:29] Trustee Middleton (probable): to her and providing such as she put it an interesting experience i think

[0:07:35] Trustee Middleton (probable): she was talking

[0:07:35] Trustee Middleton (probable): about paul there but she was 2.6 and um and so so that would be the chair's report so we come now to

[0:07:43] Trustee Middleton (probable): to the section of the agenda where we were very grateful

[0:07:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): to hear from our community members.

[0:07:48] Trustee Middleton (probable): That's the town hall and any questions.

[0:07:51] Trustee Middleton (probable): So it's possible to ask questions about anything

[0:07:52] Trustee Middleton (probable): on the upcoming agenda, but because we're a small group,

[0:07:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): we can also entertain questions

[0:07:56] Trustee Middleton (probable): when we get to each section of the agenda.

[0:07:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): I think that's fine.

[0:08:00] Trustee Middleton (probable): Mr. Hutchinson.

[0:08:01] Voice 4: John Hutchinson,

[0:08:03] Voice 4: I just wanted to note and pass along

[0:08:08] Voice 4: to our elected representatives here on turnout.

[0:08:11] Voice 4: I believe that the time has long gone past that governments need to stop talking about

[0:08:20] Voice 4: affordable housing and actually get off the clock and do it.

[0:08:24] Voice 4: And too much time is, in my opinion, spent looking at why it can't happen and not enough

[0:08:32] Voice 4: time structuring the ability for it to happen.

[0:08:36] Voice 4: Every island is different.

[0:08:37] Voice 4: Every government municipality is different.

[0:08:39] Voice 4: And what we, I think the quick and easy way of addressing the issue could be, and I'm asking the trustees to consider it, could be that when rezoning comes in, and I want to mention that I'm both in favor of the games rezoning concept and also, of course, the crooks, the polling change and zoning.

[0:09:09] Voice 4: And within that structure, we have people on this island who do have tracts of property.

[0:09:16] Voice 4: I know that in the past, because I've been here in the past, that there has been a willingness of property owners to provide for RV sites.

[0:09:29] Voice 4: And these RV sites could be made up of a combination of travel, temporary, if the property owner

[0:09:38] Voice 4: so wishes.

[0:09:39] Voice 4: But my focus would be on the ability for a trailer to be on that site close so that the

[0:09:48] Voice 4: property owner can charge a pen fee, but still make money and allow for affordable housing

[0:09:56] Voice 4: water.

[0:09:56] Voice 4: water, we have rainwater, so that's non-potable, of course, these days, but there's no reason why

[0:10:05] Voice 4: it has to be non-potable, and we have wills. Stuff in the field is something that can be done.

[0:10:13] Voice 4: So if, in your consultations with the property owner, we first, of course, have to zone the

[0:10:20] Voice 4: the ability to be able to do it and then go from there but i think that would be a quick ability

[0:10:28] Voice 4: compared to trying to get the plan machine to an ar to do anything thank you thank you john

[0:10:39] Trustee Middleton (probable): did you want to respond i

[0:10:43] Voice 6: would just say that i think we're doing a pretty good job we've legalized

[0:10:49] Voice 6: are using trailers as a as a residential use on saturn in our bylaws where the sticky part

[0:10:57] Voice 6: lies is with that nasty crd who who enforce the building code and the building code technically

[0:11:06] Voice 6: does not allow residential use of structures that do not meet the building code and most trailers

[0:11:15] Voice 6: Others do not meet the building code, but I can say we are working on that, and we're going to be advocating to the provincial government that there be some relaxation of that policy for a period of time.

[0:11:28] Voice 6: So we would ask for five years or some other reasonable length of time to provide certainty for people.

[0:11:35] Voice 6: So we're going to push it. We're pushing it on many levels.

[0:11:38] Voice 4: Can I ask one question?

[0:11:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): Please.

[0:11:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): uh

[0:11:41] Voice 4: the question is how is it legal in the city of victoria when you have fort

[0:11:50] Voice 4: victoria campsite there at royal that a major campsite that is all current they don't have

[0:12:00] Voice 4: anything else so if it's available and possible in victoria then i think it's possible i agree

[0:12:09] Voice 4: I agree,

[0:12:10] Voice 8: but it's not legal in Victoria.

[0:12:13] Voice 8: Too bad.

[0:12:14] Voice 3: I agree.

[0:12:19] Voice 3: I would

[0:12:19] Voice 7: say that those

[0:12:20] Voice 3: permanent residents are technically

[0:12:24] Voice 3: living there illegally.

[0:12:25] Voice 3: They're just not enforced.

[0:12:27] Voice 3: I'm all for that.

[0:12:29] Voice 3: I'm just saying that it's not that they're legally

[0:12:33] residing there.

[0:12:36] And for the record, the policy at the CRD

[0:12:41] Voice 6: is they do not enforce unless there is health safety or a complaint whereas some of our

[0:12:49] Voice 6: standing resolutions say no enforcement unless there's health safety issues or the complaint

[0:12:56] Voice 6: of an immediate neighbor the little distinction that is quite important

[0:13:03] Voice 6: yes sir our

[0:13:05] Voice 7: bylaw at present allows for properties that are over three acres in

[0:13:11] Voice 7: in size to afford or to take in a secondary accommodation

[0:13:16] Voice 7: under 1 000 square feet and i think that if that were encouraged rather than discouraged

[0:13:26] Voice 7: in the past has been discouraged the uh representative i'm here to tell you this

[0:13:33] Voice 7: but crd also stands for crowd

[0:13:40] Voice 6: we specialize in waste water

[0:13:42] Voice 6: in

[0:13:43] Voice 7: the past we've made a very big company of traders

[0:13:49] Voice 7: They want them off of the hills, they want them on a foundation so they have control.

[0:13:54] Voice 7: And that sort of thing. So yeah, we're working on it.

[0:13:57] Voice 7: Yeah, it's a mixture of different companies.

[0:14:00] Trustee Middleton (probable): You bet. Just a general comment, because we're actually going to be talking about this with an application later.

[0:14:09] Trustee Middleton (probable): On this island, densities are recurrence respectively, right?

[0:14:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): Right. So to increase zoning capacity in some ways is perhaps more challenging.

[0:14:23] Trustee Middleton (probable): I'm not saying impossible on Saterna because, of course, people have been restricted since the official community plan into how intensive use of their properties they can make because of our density.

[0:14:36] Trustee Middleton (probable): So, I, you know, I'm just wondering, I'm not sure how we would address that if suddenly

[0:14:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): there was a desire to change up zone the property for, for a bunch of dwellings.

[0:14:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): I'm not saying it's not possible that they do have that more unique situation than perhaps

[0:14:53] Trustee Middleton (probable): certainly municipalities and many of the other islands, I think there's only one or two other

[0:14:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): islands that may be a great new family that actually have a density cap um which does add

[0:15:05] Trustee Middleton (probable): a level of complexity shall we say to trying to you know so

[0:15:08] Voice 6: we cannot create new densities on

[0:15:11] Voice 6: saturn according to however we have the social contract that we developed in creation of our

[0:15:21] Voice 6: official community plan said the maximum number of people on saturn should be 2500

[0:15:26] Voice 6: 100 and the maximum number of uh lots should be 800 and under the current rules and subdivision

[0:15:38] Voice 6: availability the maximum we could build out right now is according to our previous planner gary

[0:15:45] Voice 6: richardson was 720 and that didn't include covenants that he couldn't access so we're

[0:15:52] Voice 6: nowhere near um that that particular cap and so i don't know if anybody has ever watched star

[0:16:00] Voice 6: trek but i think it's really up to the trustees to be able to just make it so make it so and then

[0:16:09] the executive of the trust um presuming that we had a

[0:16:14] Voice 6: rational executive in power

[0:16:16] Voice 6: um would be able to approve those and of course we have that first nations that would be agreeable but

[0:16:23] Voice 6: i think in the instance of you know having 10 or 15 densities which we contemplated before

[0:16:29] Voice 6: for a trailer park um would have very very minimal impact there's issues around water

[0:16:36] Voice 6: that can be ameliorated through rainwater catchment and so i think it's all doable

[0:16:42] Voice 6: and we need to need to get provincial permanency to make it happen and maybe that's what we gotta

[0:16:48] Voice 6: do that's my comment you could

[0:16:51] Voice 6: also imagine yes

[0:16:53] Voice 8: that sounds like a lot easier

[0:17:02] Voice 8: that's the other

[0:17:03] Voice 5: part so you could look at that yeah thank you

[0:17:13] Voice 8: very good um

[0:17:17] Voice 5: so

[0:17:19] Trustee Middleton (probable): any more questions i could say i can't we could i think we have another

[0:17:23] Trustee Middleton (probable): member of the republic joining us um but he can ask questions later on so we'll carry um so um

[0:17:35] Trustee Middleton (probable): um we don't have any community information meeting items today

[0:17:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): day welcome we

[0:17:45] Voice 5: have uh any public hearing today so i guess it's just a german right

[0:17:51] Trustee Middleton (probable): oh sorry

[0:17:54] Trustee Middleton (probable): so the the minutes of the uh previous meeting are here now for our production

[0:18:02] Trustee Middleton (probable): um it was just one or that i guess actually uh one was in for me anyway was in the trustee report

[0:18:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): I would just think we could add where it says also recorded the formation of the first standing

[0:18:24] Trustee Middleton (probable): committee of the honest trust council.

[0:18:26] Trustee Middleton (probable): I think the first standing will have to be the governance committee, because that's what

[0:18:33] Trustee Middleton (probable): it is.

[0:18:33] Trustee Middleton (probable): um it's just just great uh just had the word governance i think after standing

[0:18:42] Trustee Middleton (probable): before committee did you get that

[0:18:44] Voice 3: sarah sorry

[0:18:49] Voice 1: just uh took me a moment yes i've got that um

[0:18:52] Voice 1: that you would like to add a governance um reported the formation of the first standing

[0:19:04] Voice 1: and

[0:19:05] Trustee Middleton (probable): then it's not a big deal we can leave it here but page 405 it says that um uh for section 14.5

[0:19:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): that trustee middleton is working on the local trust committee web page and i'm not sure that i

[0:19:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): that's okay so i mean we leave it there it's just i'm not really good with that before

[0:19:32] Trustee Middleton (probable): i remember

[0:19:33] Voice 6: totally you said you were leaving that page at your own expense and you obviously

[0:19:39] Voice 6: think

[0:19:40] Voice 3: you could just change that to for for information then

[0:19:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): yeah that sounds good for information so

[0:19:51] Voice 3: just strike out what it says there under 14.5 and

[0:19:54] Voice 3: put for information that sounds good okay

[0:19:57] Voice 1: so i'll remove trustee middleton is working on the local

[0:20:00] Voice 1: press committee page and the transit list for information yeah

[0:20:04] Voice 5: thanks sir and that was it

[0:20:07] Voice 5: no just to know that you dodged that

[0:20:10] Voice 5: um sorry

[0:20:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): i guess by consent yes yes by consent thank you um the hearing record

[0:20:29] Trustee Middleton (probable): Or received? Can we

[0:20:33] Trustee Middleton (probable): consider that received?

[0:20:35] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:20:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): And then the rest comes without being what there actually is one.

[0:20:43] Trustee Middleton (probable): So there's

[0:20:44] Voice 6: one little minor amendment on the received.

[0:20:46] Voice 6: Okay, there's I don't recall Steve Wright, trustee on being present.

[0:20:56] Voice 6: There is a remarkable similarity in terms of

[0:20:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): wit

[0:21:00] Voice 5: and general

[0:21:02] Trustee Middleton (probable): civility, yes, good humor.

[0:21:05] Voice 6: At the top it says members present, Paul Grant, acting chair, and Steve Wright, trustee, should probably be replaced with, I don't know, what do you think?

[0:21:19] Voice 6: Lee Middleton will put me there.

[0:21:28] Voice 1: I've got that. Replace in the attendance section. Take out Steve Wright and put in Trustee Middleton.

[0:21:35] Voice 1: Thank

[0:21:36] Voice 8: you very

[0:21:39] Trustee Middleton (probable): much. That's great. Thanks to everyone's work on that. So we don't have

[0:21:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): our WM report because we didn't have any resolutions between our meeting and then. And so now on

[0:21:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): to the next section business arising from the minutes the follow-up action list dated october

[0:22:00] Trustee Middleton (probable): 22nd which is page 10 of the agenda package if anyone cares to follow along and uh i'm sure

[0:22:09] Trustee Middleton (probable): i know this is the issue of the we were going to basically uh address these um

[0:22:19] Trustee Middleton (probable): authoring of letters in regard to southern resident kill wells i i know from a housekeeping

[0:22:24] Trustee Middleton (probable): the perspective we probably might want to take these off right now but i'm going to suggest we

[0:22:28] Trustee Middleton (probable): leave them because our trustee elect has a very strong interest in um in the south resident killer

[0:22:36] Trustee Middleton (probable): wells she knows many of them personally and she she probably would want to take action or respond

[0:22:44] Trustee Middleton (probable): or take the next

[0:22:45] Trustee Middleton (probable): step on these two items so i'm going to just suggest that we um we leave those

[0:22:49] Trustee Middleton (probable): for now um i know director frayer is not particularly happy that we leave them because

[0:22:56] Trustee Middleton (probable): it's sort of like an unfinished piece of business but i think it surely indulges for a few more

[0:23:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): months um so that's the only thing i have to say on that just be great any

[0:23:10] Voice 6: comments no i'm good

[0:23:11] Voice 6: everything's okay i'm away fine on the fuel now next is

[0:23:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): delegations

[0:23:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): let's

[0:23:18] Voice 3: just take a couple of questions so uh with respect to uh the item around the fee bylaw you

[0:23:25] Voice 3: were planning for the cim today uh with respect to the fee bylaw and you decided to defer that

[0:23:31] Voice 3: until there

[0:23:33] Voice 6: was a new trustee yes

[0:23:34] Voice 3: and you can consider your next steps

[0:23:37] Voice 3: and with respect to uh the report around the groundwater solutions i was pointed to a report

[0:23:47] Voice 3: from staff that they presented to the local trust committee summarizing the work to date

[0:23:52] Voice 3: that i did provide to trustee lex and that did summarize where things are at and the

[0:24:00] Voice 3: local trustees at that time decided not to proceed so the new trustees can also consider

[0:24:07] Voice 3: that report in that direction whether you want to do something different when you begin your team

[0:24:13] Voice 2: sure i think we have a little time may i speak

[0:24:18] Voice 8: sure

[0:24:18] Voice 2: we have a little time but um my concern would be that it's resolved before any

[0:24:26] Voice 2: um decisions are made based on the information that that would be my primary concern so

[0:24:36] Voice 2: that's really the time that's going from my perspective so

[0:24:40] Voice 3: what i would say is that because

[0:24:41] Voice 3: because the trustees, so that work is being done, finished,

[0:24:45] Voice 3: and no other work is being done

[0:24:47] Voice 3: with respect to this alternative trust area right now,

[0:24:51] Voice 3: based on the direction from the LTC to stop that work

[0:24:54] Voice 3: or to finish their local trust committee in your next term

[0:24:59] Voice 3: could decide to make further analysis or refinement

[0:25:03] Voice 3: or implementation of that work

[0:25:06] Voice 3: as part of one of your projects.

[0:25:08] Voice 3: And if you decide to do that,

[0:25:10] Voice 3: then staff would identify the resources that are required and develop a charter and you can scope

[0:25:19] Voice 3: that what actual work you would want to proceed with so as of right

[0:25:25] Voice 3: now there isn't any work

[0:25:26] Voice 3: proceeding on that and it would really be up to the new trust committee to decide if any of that

[0:25:32] Voice 3: we're most protected okay thank you

[0:25:34] Voice 6: trustee as the exiting uh trustee if there is no additional

[0:25:39] Voice 6: work done on that report then i uh i would certainly never use that report to inform

[0:25:44] Voice 6: any land use decision on this island because i think it has um serious serious technical flaws

[0:25:52] Voice 6: as it relates to some of the tabletop modeling

[0:25:56] Voice 6: and the lack of actual use of data on our island.

[0:26:02] Voice 6: So great little report, but not relevant

[0:26:06] Voice 6: in respect of informing land use planning on this island,

[0:26:09] Voice 6: in my opinion.

[0:26:11] Voice 6: So I would not want any decisions held up

[0:26:13] Voice 6: on the basis of the use of that report

[0:26:17] Voice 6: to

[0:26:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): inform land use planning.

[0:26:19] Voice 6: thank

[0:26:21] Trustee Middleton (probable): you uh and i think indeed um now that uh former citizen boland now trustee elect

[0:26:29] Trustee Middleton (probable): mullan had some um fairly technical questions about the methodology and whatnot obviously

[0:26:35] Trustee Middleton (probable): we're now in a position to follow up on those when she becomes a member of the local trust

[0:26:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): committee and i'm sure he'll be not you know putting agenda item before us as a new local

[0:26:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): trust committee but i'm imagining getting some resolution there will be um fairly high up on

[0:26:51] Trustee Middleton (probable): the agenda so um so do the note to the trustee brent and um um any

[0:27:00] Voice 5: anything else on the um

[0:27:04] Voice 5: um we i think we need professionals thanks um

[0:27:21] Voice 5: i don't receive that i think

[0:27:23] Trustee Middleton (probable): we just received it just to say

[0:27:26] Voice 8: So

[0:27:26] Trustee Middleton (probable): next is delegations. I don't believe we have any delegations. It's similar, obviously, an opportunity, as in the town hall, to make any presentation to the local trust committee, but I don't believe anybody has identified themselves as wanting to make a delegation to us.

[0:27:45] Trustee Middleton (probable): So plenty of chance to speak as we move forwards. In fact, we'll require it. We'll pass the microphone around to everyone for five minutes.

[0:27:54] Trustee Middleton (probable): um so um moving on then to correspondence i i'm not aware that we have any correspondence

[0:28:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): on the record with the no and so um so this then takes us to page two of our agenda

[0:28:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): and we now have second 12 which is applications and referrals and i'll ask our our plan of

[0:28:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): assistant to uh introduce this um the dispatch report on this application titled portal

[0:28:24] Trustee Middleton (probable): thank you

[0:28:26] Voice 3: so this is a rezoning application submitted by uh a joint office we're both

[0:28:35] Voice 3: in the audience today uh and uh mr virtual lami uh so this report summarizes the proposal to

[0:28:44] Voice 3: to rezone a portion of Mr. Kirks' property that is currently zoned Forest General.

[0:28:54] Voice 3: Staff are recommending that the Local Trust Committee choose the option that's presented.

[0:29:00] Voice 3: Option three, which would be to rezone that portion of the property through both the OCP

[0:29:05] Voice 3: and the Land Use By-law Amendment to rural general and to allow for the transfer of densities

[0:29:12] Voice 3: 10 densities from Mr. Bertolami's property to allow Mr. Crooks to then have up to 12

[0:29:23] Voice 3: world general densities on that portion of his land base.

[0:29:28] Voice 3: Mr. Bertolami, his density on his existing property would be reduced from 15 to 5, and

[0:29:40] Voice 3: that would be secured with a specific land use zoning amendment limiting those future densities as well as the Section 219 covenant.

[0:29:51] Voice 3: You do have other options. Your OCP ensures the community density...

[0:30:00] Voice 3: the community density reserve right now this wouldn't be applicable as it requires a simultaneous

[0:30:09] Voice 3: density transfer and in this case you require subdivision before we have to actually completely

[0:30:19] Voice 3: occur with respect to virtual land use property but you could amend the OCP to change your

[0:30:28] Voice 3: of your forest policies to reflect item D one four,

[0:30:33] Voice 3: D of your, sorry, D one four A of your rural policies,

[0:30:40] Voice 3: which would allow for the transfer of density

[0:30:45] Voice 3: in that forest general and then Mr. Crooks' property

[0:30:48] Voice 3: would remain forest general.

[0:30:50] Voice 3: You can do that as a broad OCK amendment

[0:30:53] Voice 3: or as a site-specific amendment.

[0:30:55] Voice 3: staff's view that it's probably best just to allow extra parts to change the zoning on this

[0:31:01] Voice 3: property and i think that's the preferred option of the property owner as well for the reasons

[0:31:10] Voice 3: stated on page 18 of the report it's a unique proposal amending a broader forestry policies

[0:31:18] Voice 3: could trigger as more significant public feedback and input and aware that you're keen to move this

[0:31:25] Voice 3: process as quickly as possible and it would just real generally would just definitely be more

[0:31:31] Voice 3: clear in the future for the purposes of the property owners when we're seeking to

[0:31:37] Voice 3: sell off these properties or to develop them. I think that's all except I would add that there

[0:31:45] Voice 3: are groundwater supply considerations on that regional with the fresh water specialist's

[0:31:52] Voice 3: review proposal his advice is that they should consider a community water system

[0:31:57] Voice 3: uh on mr kirk's property uh and there are some options there that the local trust

[0:32:03] Voice 3: committee can consider at the

[0:32:05] Voice 3: bottom of page 18. uh alternatively the trust committee could

[0:32:09] could

[0:32:09] Voice 3: defer that consideration to time of subdivision where Mr. Crooks would have to

[0:32:17] Voice 3: demonstrate approval of water for permission of subdivision approval. So there's no subdivision

[0:32:26] Voice 3: standards for water supply in your bylaw, which is something that you could look at in the future

[0:32:31] Voice 3: as part of the work uh but uh those are your options there

[0:32:39] Voice 3: unless you have any other specific questions i think staff are recommending that you consider

[0:32:43] Voice 3: option three and then if you uh if you direct staff to proceed then we would drive

[0:32:50] Voice 3: initiate the referral process and bring them back

[0:32:53] Voice 3: to the trust committee for further consideration thank

[0:32:57] Voice 5: you thank you thank

[0:32:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): you um i guess at this

[0:33:03] Trustee Middleton (probable): point i need questions from the local trust committee from uh trustee brent i have no

[0:33:08] Trustee Middleton (probable): questions i i also think it's a very clear report that um may i inquire of the applicants if indeed

[0:33:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): you have comfort with what the staff are recommending that our planners recommending

[0:33:21] Trustee Middleton (probable): many option three which is uh uh amending land use by one the ocp to rezone your property to rural

[0:33:30] Trustee Middleton (probable): general that's

[0:33:32] Voice 7: okay we've i think we've gone through the uh process so far

[0:33:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): okay and any any other comment from from the room at this point since we're a small group

[0:33:45] Trustee Middleton (probable): friendly group it looks like gotcha okay

[0:33:50] Voice 8: um

[0:33:51] Voice 6: i'm going to move the sister and i have a lot of

[0:33:54] Voice 6: trust committee direct staff to proceed with application gl rz 2022.1 virtual dami and crooks

[0:34:03] Voice 6: and to prepare a graph bylaws consistent with option three as described in october

[0:34:07] Voice 6: 20 2022 staff report very

[0:34:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): good thank you and i will uh second that and be called

[0:34:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): so in favor that passes unanimously

[0:34:26] Trustee Middleton (probable): is

[0:34:26] Voice 6: i'm going to speak a little bit after the fact that i think

[0:34:30] Voice 6: this is going to have phenomenal um it's my belief it's going to have phenomenal

[0:34:34] Voice 6: all community support everyone i've spoken to in respect of this particular application has been

[0:34:42] Voice 6: absolutely 100 positive so yeah i think it's a great thing for not only saturn island and

[0:34:50] Voice 6: from both the perspective of parkland preserving parkland parkland and biologically diverse and

[0:34:59] Voice 6: unique and continuous forest and actually moving densities close to the core amenities on the

[0:35:10] Voice 6: island so it takes so many boxes it's phenomenal so

[0:35:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): there yeah yeah i think it's a it's a very

[0:35:19] Trustee Middleton (probable): good proposal as well and i want to thank the applicants for coming forward and working with

[0:35:25] Trustee Middleton (probable): our planning work has done a great job of providing options for the way forwards and um

[0:35:30] Trustee Middleton (probable): yeah i'm very happy as well so and so this will

[0:35:33] Voice 6: be done i understand by the end of the week

[0:35:37] Voice 6: how are

[0:35:38] Voice 3: we

[0:35:40] Voice 6: it

[0:35:40] Voice 3: would be useful to hear your thoughts and your initial thoughts

[0:35:55] Voice 3: uh options that are presented there it does sit adjacent to an existing uh crd water system

[0:36:06] Voice 3: the recommendation or the advice of the

[0:36:09] Voice 3: senior professional specialist is that the community water system would be most

[0:36:14] Voice 3: appropriate for that site sure isn't it

[0:36:17] Voice 3: increasing density this

[0:36:19] Voice 6: is cursory review

[0:36:20] Voice 6: review will be followed by my cursive cursory comments is that sure the applicant could

[0:36:26] Voice 6: approach the CRD system and so that's the only requirement that he approached the CRD

[0:36:33] Voice 6: system and ask and that's fine doesn't necessarily fulfill it based on my reading of this and

[0:36:41] Voice 6: again i really don't think that the type of science that we have seen is indicative of the

[0:36:50] Voice 6: type of information that would inform land use planning decisions on this island i think we've

[0:36:58] Trustee Middleton (probable): talked about this a fair bit and i think we might be making some progress next term um on this

[0:37:03] Trustee Middleton (probable): regard but so we've all often said to the subdivision approval officer for subdivision

[0:37:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): requires the drilling of wells in essence to approve of palpable water but we've been we've

[0:37:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): learned from our freshwater specialists and our planning staff that this is a default because

[0:37:26] Trustee Middleton (probable): standards for what's called quality and quantity of fresh water were removed from our local

[0:37:33] Trustee Middleton (probable): regulations now given this is one of the reasons we were quite excited to kind of do some of the

[0:37:38] Trustee Middleton (probable): freshwater work and we'll continue to do so because if we can actually come up with a definition

[0:37:43] Trustee Middleton (probable): a legal definition for quantity and quality that opens the door for use of uh catchment and other

[0:37:50] Trustee Middleton (probable): of uh water to be provided as proof of um potable water for purposes of subdivision so we're away

[0:37:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): from doing that but i also think the subdivision is probably a little ways away and i'm comfortable

[0:38:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): with leaving it that the requirements as any applicant for a subdivision right now which would

[0:38:06] Trustee Middleton (probable): be go before the approving officer and have to show proof of public order is just sufficient

[0:38:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): for the time being and by hope that we can move ahead this is the next local trust committee on

[0:38:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): this um uh quality and quantity issue of of the project so so i i mean i'll i i don't know do you

[0:38:26] Trustee Middleton (probable): want to have a stipulation that the evidence approach no i don't i think we i mean it's

[0:38:32] Trustee Middleton (probable): probably something that naturally at the time of development you would seek to do potentially

[0:38:38] Trustee Middleton (probable): anyway but we also know that um um our regional director elect is quite willing to put hundreds

[0:38:48] Trustee Middleton (probable): of thousands of dollars into expanding the london harbor group club water system to provide water

[0:38:52] Trustee Middleton (probable): for anyone who comes and asks precisely

[0:38:55] Voice 6: i will also make note of the family

[0:38:57] Voice 6: i'll make note of

[0:39:00] Voice 6: the fact that roughly a year ago 364 days ago we passed a standing resolution that the eternal

[0:39:09] Voice 6: local trust committee endorsed the use of potable rainwater attachment systems as proof of adequate

[0:39:16] Voice 6: potable water for residential subdivision which is what we talked about here subject to the

[0:39:21] Voice 6: withholding of temporary or final occupancy permits until such catchment systems are in place

[0:39:26] Voice 6: so there is an alternative that's already been identified on this island as a standing resolution

[0:39:31] Voice 6: this it was passed so there is a number of options here and uh so i think you know waiting to see

[0:39:39] Voice 6: um how this all unfolds and whether there's any clarity on um gw solutions

[0:39:49] Voice 6: basis around determining water demand and water supply on this island um yeah let's wait for that

[0:39:57] Voice 6: because i i really need to go out and check out how many acres of park are actually irrigated on

[0:40:04] Voice 6: this island i haven't found i haven't found the 2 000 acres that they've identified yet

[0:40:10] Voice 6: the ball field that's right but it's only it's only about an acre not 2 000

[0:40:17] Voice 6: oh

[0:40:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): my mistake i think to summarize we're happy to

[0:40:25] Trustee Middleton (probable): we're happy to leave the existing regulations in regard proof of groundwater in place

[0:40:33] Trustee Middleton (probable): um which is the default being the subdivision approving officer

[0:40:37] Trustee Middleton (probable): with the anticipation that the local trust committee is going to probably be doing a fair

[0:40:41] Trustee Middleton (probable): a chunk of work on groundwater availability and over the next term so

[0:40:45] Voice 8: thank

[0:40:48] Voice 3: you thank you

[0:40:49] Voice 3: Okay, so, Mr.

[0:40:52] Voice 3: one

[0:40:52] Voice 7: quick note on development improvement areas you've got here, with regards to the section that we've taken

[0:41:02] Voice 3: out of the block A and added to my block one.

[0:41:07] Voice 7: It says a proposed lands subdivision will create additional interlops issues such as construction of access and changes to vegetation cover should be addressed.

[0:41:19] Voice 7: the access is in there we will change to which stations cover and also the the area of five

[0:41:26] Voice 7: acres is being taken

[0:41:28] Voice 3: out it's not in the development department area now like i'm

[0:41:32] Voice 3: just telling you that in case you don't want to waste too much time on that yeah so if

[0:41:39] Voice 3: in your case you'd be creating a new lot two new lots so similar to what mr hall had to do

[0:41:48] Voice 3: regardless of where you are subdividing it applies to the whole lot so if any

[0:41:53] Voice 3: lot is

[0:41:53] Voice 3: being like it applies in there in the guidelines it applies to all subdivisions

[0:42:01] Voice 3: and so uh basically it would be a very um all development in this development permit

[0:42:12] Voice 3: So the follow-up actions that do require a development permit, location, creation of new logs. So you're creating two new logs there.

[0:42:23] Voice 3: When you...

[0:42:24] Voice 3: Okay, one of the main, the

[0:42:25] Voice 7: blockade that goes to the trust, the nature trust.

[0:42:29] Voice 7: Alright, well that one

[0:42:30] Voice 7: does have a DPA on it.

[0:42:32] Voice 7: but are you going to use the areas that are in the dpa now as um as uh the areas that will be

[0:42:41] Voice 7: transferred

[0:42:42] Voice 3: to the to either of the two lots as long as regardless of where the dp is located

[0:42:49] Voice 3: if you're creating a new lot then this would apply and you would need to get somebody has to

[0:42:55] Voice 3: assess that yeah so i guess it really comes down to whether you're creating new lots or not

[0:43:00] Voice 3: whether you are whether the province determines if it's a new lot or if it's well my understanding

[0:43:06] Voice 3: is that any subdivision you would then you would then be creating okay

[0:43:11] Voice 7: but before we go

[0:43:13] Voice 7: the dpa is based on

[0:43:16] Voice 3: the verticality of the land yeah

[0:43:18] Voice 3: correct so it's just a matter of

[0:43:22] Voice 3: mapping which is as the verticality of where i'm 30 degrees i believe it was

[0:43:27] Voice 3: yeah okay

[0:43:28] Voice 3: but then yeah so the the permanent cell is would like if your accesses are not within dp

[0:43:34] Voice 3: and you're having no impact to the dp then it really is just the subdivision plan attached to

[0:43:41] Voice 3: the dp if you require one it's a very simple process perhaps on the southern edge of this

[0:43:48] Voice 7: five acres some of the southern engine will be over 30. so

[0:43:54] Voice 7: that's fine it's not

[0:43:55] Voice 3: yeah it's not

[0:43:58] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:43:59] Voice 6: so I think

[0:44:00] Voice 3: if you need a DP, and this would be at your time of subdivision, not a time of rezoning, so it wouldn't impact any

[0:44:06] Voice 1: of this, it would be

[0:44:07] Voice 6: when you actually later

[0:44:08] Voice 3: down the road actually are going through the process.

[0:44:11] Voice 3: If it's deemed that you're creating new laws, when you transfer that five acre parcel to your existing lot, but it may not, honestly, I'm not sure.

[0:44:22] Voice 3: or it's just your boundary adjustment and if the lot descriptors remain the same then you then you

[0:44:28] Voice 3: might not be actually creating new lots and then if you're not actually impacting any deep area

[0:44:33] Voice 3: you might not you might

[0:44:35] Voice 6: be exempt but we could i guess the impact would be the lines on a map

[0:44:40] Voice 6: somewhere yeah

[0:44:41] Voice 3: what is trying to avoid is trying to like is what the why is where you're creating

[0:44:47] Voice 3: be a lot so that for example someone is not creating a lot that is entirely within dp and

[0:44:54] Voice 3: then it essentially is unavoidable to develop on that without okay that's kind of the intent of

[0:45:02] Voice 3: the bylaws that capture in general subdivision of laws requiring okay thank you very much we can

[0:45:09] Voice 3: go down that pathway when you're because when you apply for your boundary adjustment

[0:45:13] Voice 3: uh that would be referring to the average trust so we would have a referral uh uh in when do we

[0:45:21] Voice 3: apply for board of trustees i would recommend as quick as possible and you would start by applying

[0:45:26] Voice 3: to voting to the ministry of transportation and infrastructure that would be you as the

[0:45:33] Voice 3: subdivision approver and we are a referral agency in that process so when you apply to the ministry

[0:45:39] Voice 3: your transportation to amend your boundary of your two lots there the ministry would then receive

[0:45:46] Voice 3: your application and they would refer it out to to us and a number of other health and other

[0:45:52] Voice 3: other agencies and then we would you need to submit an application

[0:45:58] Voice 8: for us to them

[0:46:01] Voice 7: is

[0:46:02] Voice 3: this done with the nature trust or is it done before the nature trust takes it uh well you would

[0:46:08] Voice 3: need to like you're transferring the portion of lot uh to the nature trust that doesn't include

[0:46:15] Voice 3: your boundary or doesn't include your homestead right you're connecting that to your lot one

[0:46:20] Voice 3: so uh you would need to uh complete presumably uh you would need to complete your boundary

[0:46:28] Voice 3: adjustment so that you can then transfer the remainder lot to the nature trust because

[0:46:34] Voice 3: Because maybe I misunderstood, but the Nature Trust mentioned that there is a process which is in effect when you have a section 99, which is a transfer for public benefit.

[0:46:49] Voice 3: Where does that come in?

[0:46:51] Voice 3: That would come in when potentially you could, instead of doing a, perhaps that's an option that you could explore with the province.

[0:47:00] Voice 3: it would still be provincial engagement and the

[0:47:06] Voice 3: nature trust so perhaps instead of doing just a

[0:47:08] Voice 3: traditional boundary adjustment through your own means grabbing that piece and connecting it to

[0:47:14] Voice 3: your parcel you could

[0:47:16] Voice 3: seek to do a section 99 which would include that

[0:47:21] Voice 1: boundary adjustment in

[0:47:22] Voice 3: the process of transferring to the nature trust the other option is for you if you went ahead and

[0:47:29] Voice 3: did your own boundary adjustments uh boundary adjustments are are simpler in a sense than like

[0:47:35] Voice 3: what mr kirks would ultimately do which is creating new locks with increased densities

[0:47:51] Voice 3: so you might be better served instead of doing a

[0:47:55] Voice 3: a boundary adjustment on your own and giving them the yeah

[0:47:59] Voice 1: parcel that's

[0:48:00] Voice 3: that's our that's

[0:48:01] Voice 3: that's subdivided you might be better served to say this is what we need to do following rezoning

[0:48:10] Voice 3: and i believe it's already in the works i believe that

[0:48:13] Voice 7: the the land

[0:48:16] Voice 3: agent or the purchasing agent

[0:48:18] Voice 3: of the interest has already reached the surveyor yeah and that is trying to go when it's the right

[0:48:28] Voice 3: time right and so that is that's how we set this up is separate to the transfer of densities that

[0:48:37] Voice 3: the rezoning will trigger so you

[0:48:41] Voice 7: could be working on that

[0:48:42] Voice 3: part simultaneously because

[0:48:43] Voice 7: it does still

[0:48:44] Voice 3: take some time okay and so

[0:48:46] Voice 3: as this was only plays out over the number of months that it will take

[0:48:50] Voice 3: because we refer processes and first nations because there's no cp amendment to this rezoning

[0:48:57] Voice 3: process uh there's a minister's approval step uh as part of the islands trust act so we can only

[0:49:04] Voice 3: go as fast as the middle time frames of the of the process which is you know 45 days for referral to

[0:49:12] Voice 3: first nations agencies public hearing no well as you probably know uh there is funding that can put

[0:49:20] Voice 3: in place and it is subject to a december 15th headline now

[0:49:25] Voice 7: i'm hoping presumed that the december

[0:49:28] Voice 3: 15th 15th deadline assures the federal government which is a big uh funder that it will go through

[0:49:36] Voice 3: then they can put the funds in place so by december 15th we want to have i mean they need

[0:49:43] Voice 3: to have assurance that it will go through yeah so by december 15th it's impossible to close out

[0:49:49] Voice 3: this reason it's not close to have assurance that it will go through no you won't have assurance

[0:49:55] Voice 3: until it's in front of the minister you know signs off okay we'll have to discuss that yeah i mean i

[0:50:01] Voice 3: think what you could do is i think you're gonna have to create some kind of well you might have

[0:50:08] Voice 3: to assume some risk is boldly yeah yeah but

[0:50:12] Voice 7: but the reality is

[0:50:13] Voice 3: is that we can only

[0:50:15] Voice 3: move our process

[0:50:16] Voice 3: so

[0:50:16] Voice 6: could we get a public uh public meeting can we get the referrals done before

[0:50:29] Voice 6: december 15th and have a public meeting before december 15th is that a possibility

[0:50:33] Voice 6: uh

[0:50:34] Voice 7: potentially that

[0:50:37] Voice 6: would be very good in my view if we if we were to get the referrals up

[0:50:41] Voice 6: because they're timely well time sensitive and a public meeting i think that you know

[0:50:48] Voice 6: depending upon the results of the public meeting which i think would be very positive

[0:50:52] Voice 6: we could have quite a package to present

[0:50:57] Voice 6: if

[0:50:57] Voice 3: you're a third reading

[0:50:59] Voice 3: and

[0:51:00] Voice 6: I think we were a third reading and had a very positive package

[0:51:03] Voice 6: and no dissent from First Nations

[0:51:06] Voice 6: there'd be a very good chance that the minister

[0:51:10] Voice 6: there'd be some indication that that would pass

[0:51:12] Voice 6: and also that the federal government

[0:51:15] Voice 6: would be satisfied

[0:51:16] Voice 6: smart so

[0:51:18] Voice 3: yeah that's that's a rather realistic timeline

[0:51:23] Voice 5: so

[0:51:24] Trustee Middleton (probable): i wonder if

[0:51:25] Trustee Middleton (probable): we have a meeting date set

[0:51:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): for december we we will of course when we get to that but i i just to clarify so the what's needed

[0:51:37] Trustee Middleton (probable): for the transaction to take place on december 15th you mentioned zoning i'm

[0:51:43] Voice 3: not sure what's needed

[0:51:44] Voice 3: it on to section 99 okay

[0:51:48] Voice 8: yeah i mean

[0:51:49] Voice 3: yeah like i would say it's probably that would be really quick

[0:51:55] Voice 3: for you to go through a section 99 process that's why i

[0:52:00] Voice 3: can phone them today yeah we've already

[0:52:03] Voice 3: discussed it they say they have it all in here they say that they do this like with respect to

[0:52:10] Voice 3: the rezoning, as

[0:52:12] Voice 8: long as you

[0:52:13] Voice 3: and Mr. Crooks have agreed, where I think you would need

[0:52:15] Voice 3: to potentially assume some risk is around the transfer of densities, so that if the

[0:52:22] Voice 3: rezoning didn't occur, that part of the finance could potentially be at risk. But with respect

[0:52:33] Voice 3: to the transfer of the lands, if you're talking about the actual transfer of the lands, the

[0:52:40] The

[0:52:40] Voice 3: lands that are being transferred to the nature trust

[0:52:44] Voice 3: could be transferred now.

[0:52:46] Voice 3: They would retain the 15 densities.

[0:52:49] Voice 3: The zoning on that property isn't changing

[0:52:51] Voice 3: in this rezoning proposal, only on Mr. Kirk's land base.

[0:52:55] Voice 3: And so when it transfers to the nature trust,

[0:52:59] Voice 3: it will still be zoned in the rule of general.

[0:53:00] Voice 3: And what the rezoning will do is will restrict

[0:53:03] Voice 3: the maximum density from 15 to five.

[0:53:06] Voice 3: okay yes so um yeah let's just switch that first here well i

[0:53:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): think and my understanding is it's

[0:53:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): maybe a little bit different if you're the transaction uh for mr is very straightforward

[0:53:22] Trustee Middleton (probable): with the nature trust wants this agreement um presumably section 99 is something they will

[0:53:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): handle in fact i'm pretty sure it is we're going to be talking to somebody this afternoon about a

[0:53:32] Trustee Middleton (probable): piece of property where they propose to do exactly that and the nature trust will be doing that

[0:53:37] Trustee Middleton (probable): on our behalf so let's make a working assumption that that's what's going to happen there

[0:53:43] Trustee Middleton (probable): so really the only issue for you is you need the funds that come from the sale of the densities

[0:53:50] Trustee Middleton (probable): in order to complete the sale right to have sufficient funding so zoning is not really

[0:53:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): uh an issue there it's only an issue insofar as this the purchase densities have to go somewhere

[0:54:05] Trustee Middleton (probable): and where they're going is not currently it's the zone to receive them is what i understand so that

[0:54:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): is a separate issue from mr berkelani's sale technically is there some way that these densities

[0:54:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): can be um suspended shall we say um yeah or some some methods

[0:54:25] Voice 3: so what we talked about was

[0:54:27] Voice 3: potentially the local trust committee could create a covenant that restricts the densities on

[0:54:37] Voice 3: mr virtual endless property to five and that would provide some assurance that at least the major

[0:54:45] Voice 3: trust and the future couldn't grab them and say oh no there's 15 densities when we receive the land

[0:54:53] Voice 3: rules transfer and we're just going to keep those but i mean that's that seems like a pretty they're

[0:54:59] Voice 3: not going to do that they're not going to do that anyways uh but that is one legal mechanism that

[0:55:04] Voice 3: they

[0:55:04] Voice 6: have more fish to fry on this island then

[0:55:07] Trustee Middleton (probable): they wouldn't do that

[0:55:09] Trustee Middleton (probable): well what they've said is we've obviously talked to the nature trust as well just to kind of get

[0:55:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): understanding of this and how it's working and as another property that they value one density

[0:55:19] Trustee Middleton (probable): there that's that's what um they don't have a valuation on on the remaining densities

[0:55:25] Trustee Middleton (probable): but so it's not it's not to be concerned that the nature trust are going to do something

[0:55:30] Trustee Middleton (probable): it's the concern that there's sufficient assurance that the crows family have ownership of these

[0:55:38] Trustee Middleton (probable): densities such that they give up the funds for them to facilitate the sale so what can we do

[0:55:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): there you mentioned the covenant that i don't think that's that that involves the

[0:55:50] Trustee Middleton (probable): main to try

[0:55:51] Trustee Middleton (probable): and they're not really a party to this we don't necessarily want

[0:55:53] Voice 3: to have a lot you couldn't you

[0:55:55] Voice 3: couldn't have a covenant that applies the

[0:55:57] Voice 3: density before you actually get your result in five

[0:56:02] Voice 3: blocks because that's where your density is true so that's where i think there's some assumption

[0:56:08] Voice 3: of risk that's just going to have to be taken on your part that you pass the money over to

[0:56:15] Voice 3: Mr. Bertolami with the expectation that the rezoning will be successful. I think as

[0:56:21] Voice 3: Trustee Brent talked about there, if we can have you at the stage of public hearing of close to it

[0:56:29] Voice 3: by December 15th and the referrals, the bylaws ready and the referrals all done and no dissenting

[0:56:36] Voice 3: voices from first nations or agencies then you can have some pretty high comfort but the reality is

[0:56:43] Voice 3: that there's no mechanism that we can trigger that can assure you of those densities until

[0:56:51] Voice 3: the rezoning actually occurs and those bylaws are actually adopted by the

[0:56:56] Voice 3: we can make the assumption if there is

[0:57:00] Voice 7: no um opposition to it and a mechanism is working forward

[0:57:05] Voice 7: I mean, unless we have a 9-1-1 or a

[0:57:09] Voice 3: war in Ukraine, it should proceed.

[0:57:15] Voice 3: Correct.

[0:57:16] Voice 1: Now,

[0:57:16] Voice 3: I believe that the only issue with the Nature Trust is not about their timing, because they just hold these properties.

[0:57:23] Voice 3: There's no time factor for them other than to be able to assure the federal government that all the mechanisms are in place,

[0:57:32] Voice 3: It's going to go through, or there's enough insurance that it will

[0:57:37] Voice 7: go through, but it'll keep the money that they earmarked for this project in place.

[0:57:42] Voice 7: It doesn't matter if it's finalized in February or March. It's irrelevant.

[0:57:46] Voice 7: I'm

[0:57:47] Trustee Middleton (probable): not sure that's totally true from my understanding.

[0:57:49] Trustee Middleton (probable): I think the deal, the funding expires December 15th as it goes away.

[0:57:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): So the deal can't happen effectively after December 15th.

[0:57:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): So my understanding from those, the sale must occur prior to December 15th, which is why not only the federal government monies are required, but also the Crooks family monies to purchase the densities all have to be in place and delivered prior to December 15th.

[0:58:15] Trustee Middleton (probable): so there's no risk to you you know that the risk is to the crooks family that they don't have a

[0:58:21] Trustee Middleton (probable): place to put these densities they have purchased because once they buy them they own them like

[0:58:26] Trustee Middleton (probable): they can't give them back to you or the nature trust and say sorry it didn't work out we have

[0:58:30] Trustee Middleton (probable): our money back so that that's where the risk lies is with the crooks family unless we can come up

[0:58:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): I would

[0:58:41] Voice 3: say that is that you haven't transferred the money to Mr. Bergerland yet, right?

[0:58:48] Voice 3: So you would need to transfer to him by December 12th or whatever for them to then have it,

[0:58:55] Voice 1: or 15th even.

[0:58:56] Voice 3: So what we can do to get, well, I guess, from the trustees and staff perspective is to move

[0:59:03] Voice 3: it as long as quickly as possible so that at least by december 15th uh all the referrals

[0:59:10] Voice 3: will be completed that you can have some comfort that there's no major triggering opposition to the

[0:59:17] Voice 3: proposal uh ultimately ideally we would have a public hearing uh by that date completed uh and

[0:59:25] Voice 3: then you would still be assuming some risk because we need to after that public hearing send it to

[0:59:31] Voice 3: to Highlands Trust Executive Committee for approval and then the OCP amendment to the

[0:59:37] Voice 3: Minister of Municipal Affairs for approval and the reality is that the ministry process

[0:59:45] Voice 3: can take six weeks, eight weeks or longer and so I think that is where your assumption

[0:59:54] Voice 3: of risk is going to lie if you get to a point where you're at a third reading.

[1:00:00] Voice 3: there's no other issues or flags uh then i

[1:00:05] Voice 3: guess the risk would still be low but the risk is not

[1:00:08] Voice 3: going to be negated until you actually have this approval i mean the minister could come back and

[1:00:15] Voice 3: say you know it's not in the provincial interest to not have a community water system on this

[1:00:21] Voice 3: property or or first nations might come back at that like anything happen in that period so the

[1:00:29] Voice 3: risk is going to exist but i think the risk would be relatively low yeah well

[1:00:36] Voice 6: this the minister is

[1:00:37] Voice 6: going to acquire uh the transfer of 77 acres i don't think so yeah

[1:00:43] Voice 3: no it's the minister

[1:00:45] Voice 3: the minister they often have questions and need more clarification or seek

[1:00:52] Voice 3: seek the trust to collect more information,

[1:00:55] Voice 3: but very seldom ever do they reject,

[1:01:00] Voice 3: especially in a case like this

[1:01:02] Voice 3: where you're creating such a significant community benefit

[1:01:07] Voice 3: and a global benefit in terms of ecological protection.

[1:01:14] Trustee Middleton (probable): There's two questions up.

[1:01:15] Trustee Middleton (probable): Ari, do you have a question with Hilo?

[1:01:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): It

[1:01:17] Voice 2: was the question, it was just really,

[1:01:19] Voice 2: and it might be bigger out there because this process is more complex than

[1:01:24] Voice 2: my head can really understand at this stage.

[1:01:26] Voice 2: But I just wondered, you know, you're concerned about some place

[1:01:30] Voice 2: to put the debt to be transferred temporarily,

[1:01:34] Voice 2: but would it help to put the money into a held fund area

[1:01:39] Voice 2: going the other way?

[1:01:41] Voice 2: Does that help?

[1:01:41] Voice 2: Or does it make absolutely no difference?

[1:01:44] Voice 3: The problem is that the monies need to be received

[1:01:46] Voice 3: by the employer, the Nature Trust,

[1:01:49] Voice 2: so that they

[1:01:49] Voice 3: can initiate their federal funding that also is...

[1:01:55] Voice 2: So it can't be put into a holding account for the condition on it?

[1:02:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): It's really not an issue for the, like the Nature Trust is an innocent party in this, shall we say,

[1:02:07] Trustee Middleton (probable): so I'm encumbering them in any way, it's not really proper.

[1:02:10] Trustee Middleton (probable): the money is basically required to purchase the property

[1:02:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): from the current owners.

[1:02:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): It's not, it doesn't actually involve the nature trust

[1:02:20] Trustee Middleton (probable): they'll be, of course, purchasing it.

[1:02:25] Voice 7: But

[1:02:26] Trustee Middleton (probable): yeah, and so that's what the sale of the Deskies allows

[1:02:31] Trustee Middleton (probable): is that allows a purchase price greater

[1:02:33] Trustee Middleton (probable): than the nature trust could pay

[1:02:35] Trustee Middleton (probable): because they're restricted by various assessment reasons.

[1:02:38] Trustee Middleton (probable): reasons and it facilitates the transfer and then obviously that's a significant outlay of money

[1:02:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): and so in return the densities um are available for use on the property but as brad points out

[1:02:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): that property would need to be rezoned that one thing we sort of hope but brad i think has found

[1:02:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): that it's not possible is that the community amenity density reserve functions not just as

[1:03:05] Trustee Middleton (probable): a pipeline from one property to another who can actually hold densities in an interim and you

[1:03:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): have found that that it cannot function in that way is that correct no

[1:03:16] Voice 3: it might change just like

[1:03:20] Voice 3: well

[1:03:20] Voice 7: it seems to me that the island stressor has

[1:03:23] Voice 3: a invested interest here they're

[1:03:27] Voice 3: creating 10 laws as a potential and making it a real

[1:03:32] Voice 3: um potential for berry so the island's trust has a vested interest that this goes through

[1:03:38] Voice 3: otherwise why should they even do it so i can't see why they

[1:03:42] Voice 7: can't hold it in trust until

[1:03:45] Voice 7: until their best in a row have been realized oh

[1:03:48] Trustee Middleton (probable): yeah i was referring to the nature trust

[1:03:50] Trustee Middleton (probable): who will become the owners but i agree with you the island's trust of course is very interested

[1:03:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): i think the local trust committee to see this happen and i'm thinking we can certainly put

[1:04:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): put statements in the minutes to that effect that you know we'll put it in black and white

[1:04:07] Trustee Middleton (probable): to be officially adopted minutes but if the island's trust could somehow hold these densities

[1:04:14] Trustee Middleton (probable): in a vehicle that i would have thought might have the capacity to do so and that's i think

[1:04:20] Trustee Middleton (probable): what you're checking down right but that's the community amenity density reserve which is in

[1:04:24] Trustee Middleton (probable): our official community plan um that would be ideal because the densities are uh

[1:04:33] Trustee Middleton (probable): there is an assurance that well they're held in trust

[1:04:36] Trustee Middleton (probable): in essence yeah in essence yeah and so

[1:04:39] Trustee Middleton (probable): everybody has some surety then over there okay

[1:04:42] Voice 7: i'm just going to throw something from the side

[1:04:44] Voice 3: what's the possibility of a legal challenge here from uh from the previous um effort to

[1:04:50] Voice 3: do this if we're on law i mean is this no no okay i would say that mr crooks and mr hall had

[1:05:00] Voice 3: a private agreement agreement or private agreement to explore and

[1:05:08] Voice 3: with respect to your other question around our trust holding the density the challenge is that

[1:05:17] Voice 3: that the local trust committee can't do something

[1:05:21] Voice 3: that is directly contrary to the OCP policy.

[1:05:24] Voice 3: And so if the OCP policy

[1:05:26] Voice 3: around the community density reserves

[1:05:28] Voice 3: says you can't hold them there,

[1:05:32] Voice 3: then the local trust committee, the letter.

[1:05:35] Voice 3: But what I would say,

[1:05:37] Voice 3: what I would say is that I think that you have some time

[1:05:40] Voice 3: because we have till December 15,

[1:05:43] Voice 3: and I think we need to draft the bylaws

[1:05:45] Voice 3: and get them all for referral and then you would need to probably schedule a meeting

[1:05:51] Voice 3: maybe a special meeting with the new trustees to consider first and second reading of that

[1:05:57] Voice 3: and then depending on where we're at in early early december we can figure out

[1:06:11] Voice 3: if there's some of the mechanism i i would go back to robert as well and if the subdivision

[1:06:17] Voice 3: like i think our assumption was the subdivision was going to follow

[1:06:21] Voice 3: the resulting uh but if the subdivision occurs uh at the same time as the resulting then you may

[1:06:30] Voice 3: be able to issue the density reserve and so on i think no i would need to talk to robert i think

[1:06:37] Trustee Middleton (probable): I think there might be a function because when I first became a trustee,

[1:06:42] Trustee Middleton (probable): it was an issue at the time, the use of the community amenity density reserve

[1:06:48] Trustee Middleton (probable): because the OCP, my understanding is, it is intended to be a bank

[1:06:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): such that if there's not an immediate community amenity

[1:07:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): that arises as part of a subdivision or a development request,

[1:07:06] Trustee Middleton (probable): the densities can be housed there until such time as a community amenity is to be created and that

[1:07:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): was and i think it followed the bylaws of gabriela say they say the community amenity is to be

[1:07:21] Trustee Middleton (probable): affordable housing only our our bylaws don't don't say that i think they just refer to a community

[1:07:29] Trustee Middleton (probable): amenity which would be at the discretion of the local trust committee and presumably the endorsement

[1:07:34] Trustee Middleton (probable): of the community so it could potentially be now i know we can't place densities in the community

[1:07:41] Trustee Middleton (probable): amenity density reserve of the cataract as it's been called without a bylaw doing so it's a bylaw

[1:07:47] Trustee Middleton (probable): in and a bylaw out um but to me that creates perhaps an opening that these densities could

[1:07:54] Trustee Middleton (probable): be housed there they could actually live there um if that would what

[1:08:01] Voice 7: would happen in the case

[1:08:03] Voice 7: of a person saying well i don't want all the density on my property as a matter of fact

[1:08:06] Voice 7: without the density i'd pay less taxes i would like to get all my density out and give it to the

[1:08:11] Voice 7: islands trust many to use as they wish for any development that's beneficial for yeah i'm

[1:08:18] Voice 7: certainly able to do that my

[1:08:21] Trustee Middleton (probable): understanding is that is how it was created and that is what it

[1:08:24] Trustee Middleton (probable): is supposed to do um i think exactly as you just said it

[1:08:29] Voice 7: sort of makes sense i thought that's what

[1:08:31] Voice 7: we have now when we worked on it years ago i thought that that was part of the essence of it

[1:08:37] Voice 7: that it could be held for the benefit to be distributed for whatever uh consideration

[1:08:45] Voice 3: there was at the time

[1:08:46] Voice 7: um for people like to use it yeah

[1:08:49] Trustee Middleton (probable): yeah and so this potentially would be

[1:08:51] Trustee Middleton (probable): the reverse of covenant in that the densities are removed at the time of sale by law as a bylaw and

[1:08:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): they are they are housed in the cadre and the bylaw would state to but in this case

[1:09:05] Trustee Middleton (probable): these things are for x purpose um so i you know i'm i'm still required by law

[1:09:14] Voice 3: so you still need to go through all these steps yeah

[1:09:19] Trustee Middleton (probable): because well the zone the reason

[1:09:20] Trustee Middleton (probable): of course has to happen but um

[1:09:22] Voice 3: so if you so any bylaw and then you have to send out the

[1:09:26] Voice 3: further you have to get exactly okay so it's kind of in the same i think the best approach is for us

[1:09:37] Voice 3: to try to get the violence as quickly as possible and uh i'll talk with robert what if in his view

[1:09:45] Voice 3: anything changes if the subdivision was occurring at the same time as rezoning which it sounds like

[1:09:50] Voice 3: to have happened by December 15th.

[1:09:57] Voice 3: But

[1:09:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): does the subdivision need,

[1:09:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): I don't think I'm sure why that would be.

[1:10:01] Voice 3: Because the policy speaks for a simultaneous transfer.

[1:10:07] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:10:08] Voice 3: Oh,

[1:10:08] Trustee Middleton (probable): but if it's zoned to have densities,

[1:10:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): even though they're lots.

[1:10:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): But

[1:10:14] Voice 3: you have to create,

[1:10:15] Voice 3: the amenity isn't created until that subdivision occurs.

[1:10:20] Voice 3: because if you just transfer the densities from Mr. Crooks' property or from Bertilami to Crooks' property,

[1:10:28] Voice 3: there's no amenity created to hold those in the counter.

[1:10:32] Voice 3: And so if subdivision occurred at the same time,

[1:10:39] Voice 3: but you'd still need to amend the bylaw and go through that process.

[1:10:47] Voice 3: is proposed because the timelines don't change if you're having to amend the violence

[1:10:53] Voice 3: yeah

[1:10:54] Trustee Middleton (probable): i guess i would see the amenity as being the nature trust holding mr bertone's property

[1:11:02] Trustee Middleton (probable): and the amenity has effectively been purchased by the crooks family with the provision of the

[1:11:08] Trustee Middleton (probable): the funds to allow the final sale as opposed to the they're actually getting densities on their

[1:11:14] Trustee Middleton (probable): law i mean there's a community benefit there but i don't think that's what we but if the

[1:11:17] Voice 3: subdivision haven't occurred yet like if this resulting occurred in the subdivision haven't

[1:11:23] Voice 3: occurred uh or via vagina's uh perspective uh the humanity was

[1:11:31] Voice 3: not yet created because the

[1:11:33] Voice 5: the amenity is

[1:11:33] Voice 3: created when nature trust takes title and then that non-profit organization holds

[1:11:42] Voice 4: that

[1:11:42] Voice 3: property in perpetuity for ecological protection and

[1:11:45] Voice 4: that's the amenity the amenity

[1:11:48] Voice 3: is not protected until subdivision occurs because of mr virgil lambing still owns it

[1:11:55] Voice 3: when he still has five densities that technically he could develop the agreement with nature trust

[1:12:03] Voice 3: could fall away and he would have his findings and he's still in that parcel that he could develop

[1:12:09] Trustee Middleton (probable): and when you use the word subdivision in that context that's mr berglami's property being

[1:12:15] Trustee Middleton (probable): separated from what the nature stress would then own versus

[1:12:18] Voice 3: his boundary so i

[1:12:22] Trustee Middleton (probable): think we're kind of

[1:12:23] Trustee Middleton (probable): on the same page it's a matter of i sort of think you say we've got some like crossing the t's

[1:12:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): got in their eyes to do but generally moving as quickly as possible the bylaws i'm in agreement

[1:12:32] Trustee Middleton (probable): with that approach getting a meeting date

[1:12:34] Voice 6: set so that it's there and ready to roll and we are

[1:12:39] Voice 6: i think that's going to be very important that'll be the trigger that so everything goes well we'll

[1:12:46] Voice 6: be able to tell the feds i think the feds will have a little tiny bit of play from what i understand

[1:12:51] Voice 6: in and talking to the pender conservancy who got either 700 850 000 at risk on december 15th as

[1:13:01] Voice 6: well right same kind

[1:13:03] Trustee Middleton (probable): of trigger so but i think there's no there would be no reason for that

[1:13:07] Trustee Middleton (probable): sale date to be held up by anything we're doing here the issue is as you point out protection

[1:13:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): of the crocs family who put the money in that the densities can go to an appropriate result

[1:13:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): zoning possible

[1:13:19] Voice 3: so the goal would be to move it as far along as we can to give them the most

[1:13:23] Voice 3: assurance possible that rezoning will be approved with the understanding that by december 15th

[1:13:30] Voice 3: actual rezoning approval will be the challenge correct that

[1:13:34] Trustee Middleton (probable): those are the people who need the

[1:13:36] Trustee Middleton (probable): reassurance so if

[1:13:39] Voice 3: we get under bylaws for referral given the first and second reading

[1:13:44] Voice 3: a public hearing completed and given a third reading by December 15th.

[1:13:48] Voice 3: I think that would give you, in my view, you would still be assuming a sliver of risk,

[1:13:54] Voice 3: but you would have a minimal amount of risk that you would not be once the executive...

[1:14:00] Voice 6: The sliver is the executive and the minister, or just the minister?

[1:14:03] Voice 3: Well, the executive committee, depending on the time, and the minister.

[1:14:07] Voice 3: I mean, very seldom the executive committee,

[1:14:10] Voice 3: depending on things that are not controversial.

[1:14:12] Voice 3: you mean like parkland yeah yes so so

[1:14:17] Voice 8: and even so i would

[1:14:18] Voice 3: say that your your risk would

[1:14:19] Voice 3: be very low at that point but we can't guarantee

[1:14:28] Voice 3: yeah so well

[1:14:30] Trustee Middleton (probable): the feds the feds are going to be happy when they have basically your money because

[1:14:34] Trustee Middleton (probable): that allows the sale of the property because well that's the bottom line really is what it is so

[1:14:39] Trustee Middleton (probable): it's whether you guys are happy having given your money but not necessarily received to be zoning

[1:14:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): yet on your property to to have the density's go there that you've paid for is that that's the risk

[1:14:52] Trustee Middleton (probable): so

[1:14:52] Voice 7: i

[1:14:57] Voice 3: think what we need to do is just keep going and initiate the referral

[1:15:04] Voice 3: and i'm just going to ask jobs here what is the interviews can

[1:15:09] Trustee Middleton (probable): we make a statement in the

[1:15:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): minutes of strong endorsement as just a step or is that superfluous and not necessary it was

[1:15:17] Voice 5: can

[1:15:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): we make some sort of strong statement in the minutes about our endorsement of this

[1:15:23] Trustee Middleton (probable): in anticipation

[1:15:24] Voice 5: i'm

[1:15:26] Voice 6: going to know that we as a local trust committee endorse this application

[1:15:35] Voice 6: and its benefits to nature in terms of environmental protection and expansion of

[1:15:46] Voice 6: continuous forest and protection of diversity as well as improvements to our community in the

[1:15:55] Voice 6: movement of densities closer to our commercial

[1:15:59] Voice 8: transportation core i would second

[1:16:06] Trustee Middleton (probable): that it just

[1:16:07] Trustee Middleton (probable): get something in the minutes that i guess for the lay person to read who's not necessarily

[1:16:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): i

[1:16:12] Voice 3: think this probably covers that because they're recommendations

[1:16:20] Voice 3: okay then

[1:16:21] Voice 8: let's just do it

[1:16:22] Voice 3: then you're directing let's do that

[1:16:23] Voice 3: proceeding means that you're supporting principle yeah very

[1:16:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): soon i think that's that's acceptable to

[1:16:29] Trustee Middleton (probable): us and and of course we're going to be moving quickly unless you should there'll be an actual

[1:16:34] Trustee Middleton (probable): by the law and

[1:16:35] Voice 6: something moving quickly we're not moving very quickly on this

[1:16:39] Voice 6: i think

[1:16:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): we have we've fully explored the ramifications of this deal i think it's

[1:16:47] Trustee Middleton (probable): excellent we thank the participants for their um engagement both in providing the sale to the

[1:16:54] Trustee Middleton (probable): nature trust and in facilitating a sales on behalf of the community i think we say thank you yes at

[1:17:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): at this point

[1:17:13] Voice 3: and so i think we'll have a good

[1:17:19] Voice 3: understanding where your risk lies at least

[1:17:22] Voice 3: uh by and if referrals come back with no major concerns if referrals come back with a whole bunch

[1:17:29] Voice 3: of concerns that need to be worked through then that creates a different conversation but we can

[1:17:34] Voice 3: tackle that when we get there you know basically

[1:17:36] Voice 7: the next month 17th of next month i will be 84

[1:17:40] Voice 7: hi

[1:17:41] Voice 5: thank

[1:17:55] Voice 1: you um i did hear a motion moved and seconded

[1:17:59] Voice 1: um and i i typed it would you like me to

[1:18:04] Voice 1: i guess

[1:18:08] Trustee Middleton (probable): if you captured it which is great and it's in there even though it's superfluous

[1:18:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): let's move it i love superfluous

[1:18:15] Voice 6: i'm superfluous these days do you want to read it back then and

[1:18:20] Voice 3: they'll know what they're uh okay okay

[1:18:23] Voice 1: that the saturn island local trust committee endorsed

[1:18:28] Voice 1: endorse application GLRZ 2022.1 and its benefits to nature in terms of environmental protection

[1:18:38] Voice 1: and the expansion of continuous forests, as well as the improvement in density in the community.

[1:18:48] Voice 5: Great job. Yep. Very good.

[1:18:54] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:18:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): I

[1:18:56] Voice 1: heard it moved in second. Oh, yeah. Yes.

[1:18:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): so we've we've

[1:19:00] Voice 5: now we just

[1:19:00] Trustee Middleton (probable): passed that but thank you for capturing that that was great thank you

[1:19:04] Voice 5: thank

[1:19:04] Voice 1: you and

[1:19:05] Voice 5: um what's next year that was very exciting it's very technical

[1:19:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): i like the challenge

[1:19:14] Trustee Middleton (probable): thank you all again

[1:19:15] Voice 5: we're gonna

[1:19:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): get there um so okay so that's um we'll work our way down there

[1:19:25] Trustee Middleton (probable): very quickly because i think we're at um we've finished treating the application before so

[1:19:32] Trustee Middleton (probable): thanks once again to our staff for a great job there um local trust community projects i believe

[1:19:42] Trustee Middleton (probable): we need nothing

[1:19:43] Voice 5: there we have now

[1:19:44] Voice 8: you know

[1:19:49] Voice 5: you have

[1:19:52] Trustee Middleton (probable): an agenda page there well as i rummage my way through oh they're right here sorry um

[1:20:04] Voice 3: And we're going to tackle the bylaws on our new business.

[1:20:08] Voice 3: We could have put them there, I guess.

[1:20:11] Voice 5: That's a top

[1:20:13] Voice 6: priority, and that's already done.

[1:20:15] Voice 6: So they consider a number of minor amendments to the OCP.

[1:20:21] Voice 6: So I think we got it.

[1:20:24] Voice 6: so kind of done yeah sustainability project so it's kind of on its

[1:20:33] Trustee Middleton (probable): yeah we'll leave it there because i know that sort of dovetails into what we

[1:20:38] Trustee Middleton (probable): sort of talked about we

[1:20:40] Voice 6: have blank pages for the new trustees that come in and

[1:20:44] Voice 6: sort of populate many many many job priorities and many many special projects to keep rather busy

[1:20:49] Voice 6: for many, many, many different years.

[1:20:53] Voice 5: Six

[1:20:54] Voice 6: years of public policy deserts.

[1:20:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): We'll have to try and keep the Galliano trustees in check

[1:21:00] Trustee Middleton (probable): as we're taking up all this time.

[1:21:02] Trustee Middleton (probable): We should probably not put that in the list.

[1:21:08] Trustee Middleton (probable): Okay, so the priority projects list.

[1:21:10] Trustee Middleton (probable): Is there any comment you want to make there?

[1:21:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): Okay.

[1:21:17] Voice 5: Applications report.

[1:21:19] Voice 5: We just talked about one.

[1:21:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): any any comment on applications just

[1:21:30] Voice 3: to say that mr games is still assessing his options

[1:21:33] Voice 3: for his subdivision proposal

[1:21:38] Voice 5: okay

[1:21:39] Voice 8: thank

[1:21:41] Voice 5: you very much trustee local expense report received

[1:21:45] Voice 5: for information.

[1:21:49] Trustee Middleton (probable): Dr. Ponson's standing resolution,

[1:21:53] Trustee Middleton (probable): so I don't believe there's any adjustments

[1:21:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): or anything required here.

[1:21:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): We promise in the next term

[1:22:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): call to never change a single word

[1:22:03] Trustee Middleton (probable): of anything you put in here.

[1:22:05] Trustee Middleton (probable): It'll be like a living memorial to you.

[1:22:07] Voice 7: Excuse me, I

[1:22:09] Trustee Middleton (probable): like the living part.

[1:22:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): Conservancy report.

[1:22:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): Yes.

[1:22:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): I don't think there's anything

[1:22:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): into the local trust committee web page and so now we've got daniel's trust constituency report

[1:22:23] Trustee Middleton (probable): um is

[1:22:25] Voice 6: there anything i think we just received it i don't see any any reason to

[1:22:30] Voice 6: other than you know i think it's a good report i think get a really good manager in kate emmings

[1:22:37] Voice 6: and so she has a fabulous job in my view i

[1:22:41] Trustee Middleton (probable): think just a comment obviously not a bad thing at all

[1:22:45] Trustee Middleton (probable): it's um they're probably uh the concern is he is more active on some of the other islands that have

[1:22:51] Trustee Middleton (probable): much less protected area that we do and i think that generally there's it's not necessarily written

[1:22:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): policy but just in talking to the manager that the appetite to proceed with anything else on saturn

[1:23:05] Trustee Middleton (probable): from the trust perspective is low just because we have such a large percentage of protected area

[1:23:10] Trustee Middleton (probable): already compared to other islands which has in a sense created the end for the nature trust of bc

[1:23:16] Trustee Middleton (probable): to do all the good work they've been doing here so well she told

[1:23:19] Voice 6: me that basically the islands

[1:23:21] Voice 6: the trustees here on saturn are doing way more work for conservative conservative land and the

[1:23:28] Voice 6: entire conservancy itself and so she was going to suggest maybe a million dollar honorarium for us

[1:23:36] Voice 6: i like this report um

[1:23:38] Trustee Middleton (probable): no thank you yeah they're um so they're they're quite for instance just

[1:23:44] Trustee Middleton (probable): i think today i saw a news report that they uh somebody has donated to the conservancy

[1:23:50] Trustee Middleton (probable): um moss meadow i think it's called but it stands in aramos on salt spring

[1:23:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): 80 some odd acres so that's you know so the conservancy continues to be active we just

[1:24:00] Trustee Middleton (probable): don't see there they actually hold the um the covenant for the wetlands of blackbird little

[1:24:05] Trustee Middleton (probable): states and so they are uh on the island we just they're not quite as maybe visible as parks canada

[1:24:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): or emerging nature trust with bc but we do appreciate their work

[1:24:15] Voice 5: right

[1:24:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): thank you um new

[1:24:20] Trustee Middleton (probable): business adoption of bylaws uh 133 and one i don't have that email from that we're gonna leave it

[1:24:30] Trustee Middleton (probable): over to you trustee

[1:24:32] Voice 6: so i'm going to move the saturn island trust committee about bylaw number

[1:24:36] Voice 6: 133 said it is to turn on an official community plan bylaw number 70 2000 and then number one

[1:24:42] Voice 6: 2021.

[1:24:44] Trustee Middleton (probable): i will second that and calling the the vote on the

[1:24:49] Voice 6: favor and i'm going to move this

[1:24:51] Voice 6: to turn on my local trust committee about bylaw number 134 said this is

[1:24:54] Voice 6: turn on land use by level 119 2018 and then number one 2021.

[1:25:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): that was second then and calling both

[1:25:03] Voice 6: and that

[1:25:04] Trustee Middleton (probable): was quickly

[1:25:05] Voice 6: around making the land around honey lake so i think it was a cart

[1:25:10] Voice 6: rather than as a watershed legalizing the shed in the schoolyard as an educator's facility

[1:25:19] Voice 6: which isn't wasn't in the bylaws and we don't have sheds into bylaw, not educators facilities or whatever.

[1:25:25] Voice 6: And making Kings Islet a rural general as opposed to wilderness area.

[1:25:36] Voice 6: Reflects the fact that, gee, it has a house on an action bedroom end zone.

[1:25:45] Voice 5: You

[1:25:46] Voice 3: also added the addition of hydrofoil research into your waters.

[1:25:52] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:25:52] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:25:53] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:25:54] Voice 3: Totally forgot about that.

[1:25:57] Voice 3: Memory Puddle.

[1:25:59] Next meeting.

[1:26:00] Trustee Middleton (probable): Outcoming meetings.

[1:26:01] Trustee Middleton (probable): Yeah.

[1:26:02] Trustee Middleton (probable): we're good with those bylaws that's they're

[1:26:04] Voice 3: not just yeah and they'll be adopted and it's possible

[1:26:08] Voice 3: i'll end your your base bylaws to reflect those changes perfect

[1:26:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): thank you very much for

[1:26:14] Trustee Middleton (probable): shepherding them through the process and

[1:26:17] Voice 5: got

[1:26:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): them here to adoption so that's great um okay so that

[1:26:22] Trustee Middleton (probable): ends new business upcoming meetings this is where we turn to grant for guidance here in this calendar

[1:26:31] Trustee Middleton (probable): So

[1:26:33] Voice 3: your new trustee will be sworn in on November 17th and you will be assigned a chair shortly

[1:26:39] Voice 3: after that and so ultimately at that time your chair and your trustee can make decisions

[1:26:47] Voice 3: to change the meeting schedule.

[1:26:50] Voice 3: The general existing meeting schedule is the third Thursday of the month, quarterly.

[1:26:57] Voice 3: I think the first meeting then would be in February, May, July, and October.

[1:27:06] Trustee Middleton (probable): Now we're looking to try to sneak one in in early December.

[1:27:11] Voice 3: So you could consider passing a regular meeting schedule based on third Thursday of the month, quarterly, starting in February.

[1:27:22] Voice 3: You could

[1:27:23] Voice 3: pass one resolution for that.

[1:27:25] Voice 3: and then with respect to uh the rezoning uh application you could either do that now or you

[1:27:33] Voice 3: could allow the process to get the bylaws and referrals done let's

[1:27:42] Voice 6: do it my recommendation

[1:27:43] Voice 6: would be to do it now and we'll vary it if we need to sure yeah so

[1:27:48] Voice 3: i think there's two

[1:27:49] Voice 3: two meeting uh schedule resolutions you could pass okay one would be the regular meeting schedule to

[1:27:58] Voice 3: be as proposed by staff for the third thursday quarterly starting in february would be one

[1:28:05] Voice 3: resolution you could i'll make that results and then i'll second that did you catch that sarah

[1:28:11] Voice 3: uh

[1:28:14] Voice 1: i have adopt the regular meeting schedule as proposed by staff but then i don't have the rest

[1:28:28] Voice 3: adopt the 2023 ltc regular meeting schedule as proposed by staff i think that would be

[1:28:38] Voice 3: well okay

[1:28:39] Voice 1: great i've got that yeah great

[1:28:42] Trustee Middleton (probable): thank you so uh in favor yes that carries so your first

[1:28:47] Voice 3: regular meeting it would be february 16th

[1:28:50] Trustee Middleton (probable): so now we will propose

[1:28:52] Voice 3: just to add robert also suggested

[1:28:55] Voice 3: you may want to meet before that have a meeting to talk about your priorities your strategic

[1:29:01] Voice 3: priorities there's a change now where there's minor projects and future projects so you're

[1:29:08] Voice 3: about one minor project and then your major projects you have to get the budgeting process

[1:29:13] Voice 3: through i think probably executive committee so you could obviously february is a long ways away

[1:29:21] Voice 3: maybe for you to kind of sink your teeth into what your priorities might be so you don't have

[1:29:26] Voice 3: to decide now we could pass a meeting by rwm but you could choose to meet earlier than that just

[1:29:33] Voice 3: to talk about your uh meeting priorities that's an option for you to consider sure

[1:29:42] Voice 3: um it might be easier if you just wait till this morning and then you

[1:29:46] Voice 3: could have that discussion decide and

[1:29:50] Trustee Middleton (probable): in the interim i think we want to propose for the

[1:29:53] Trustee Middleton (probable): comfort of all our applicants here we want to propose a meeting date which we would be entertained

[1:30:00] Trustee Middleton (probable): 12 to 13 14

[1:30:02] Voice 6: monday tuesday wednesday 12 13 14

[1:30:08] Voice 2: of december

[1:30:09] Voice 6: yes okay

[1:30:11] Voice 2: would you

[1:30:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): would you maybe want to try it earlier

[1:30:16] Voice 2: a little

[1:30:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): bit earlier maybe

[1:30:18] Voice 2: not up to

[1:30:20] Voice 6: me it's up to it's up

[1:30:21] Voice 6: to um you guys

[1:30:23] Voice 2: right either side of that to me make more sense with what meetings

[1:30:30] Voice 2: yeah um

[1:30:37] Trustee Middleton (probable): so so really the purpose of this meeting is to provide the first reading of the post file

[1:30:42] Trustee Middleton (probable): i think it's the first and second yeah so it's kind of to your comfort as to where you think

[1:30:50] Trustee Middleton (probable): Yeah,

[1:30:51] Voice 3: I think you could potentially, uh, no, potentially not.

[1:31:02] Trustee Middleton (probable): I think Greg's

[1:31:02] Voice 3: going to speak to that.

[1:31:03] Voice 3: So you could give them first and second reading when the referrals speak.

[1:31:06] Voice 3: Really, you probably need two special meetings.

[1:31:09] Voice 3: You need one for giving first and second reading, uh, and then directing staff to schedule a public hearing.

[1:31:18] Voice 3: You might want to do that in early November.

[1:31:21] Voice 3: And then you can direct staff, and then you could seek to do public hearing.

[1:31:27] Voice 3: When is the Trust Council meeting?

[1:31:32] Voice 3: It's

[1:31:32] Voice 2: the 6th, 7th, 8th, I think.

[1:31:34] Voice 3: So you could look at scheduling a meeting in December, like December 1st?

[1:31:47] Voice 3: That would be the problem.

[1:31:49] Voice 3: Like December 14th and schedule a special meeting where you have a public hearing?

[1:31:59] Voice 3: or you could wait and schedule a special meeting to receive the draft bylaws and give them first

[1:32:06] Voice 3: and second reading and then in early November that would be you too. Yeah

[1:32:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): we could that's right

[1:32:13] Trustee Middleton (probable): because you're not the local trust committee doesn't expire until

[1:32:17] Trustee Middleton (probable): until it takes until 17 so you're you're still on the hot seat so we

[1:32:24] Voice 3: could get the vitals yeah are

[1:32:26] Voice 3: you okay with doing

[1:32:27] Voice 5: that early

[1:32:29] Voice 3: okay just pick a day and yeah about uh thursday november

[1:32:36] Voice 5: 3rd yeah

[1:32:40] Voice 3: yeah schedule is a special meeting okay and we will

[1:32:49] Trustee Middleton (probable): And I think going ahead and scheduling the public information meeting for the 14th is

[1:32:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): a really

[1:32:55] Trustee Middleton (probable): good idea as well at the same time here.

[1:32:58] Voice 3: You could pass a resolution seeking a special meeting for the same application, but with

[1:33:05] Voice 3: maybe two resolutions uh for a public hearing uh for application or is it

[1:33:13] Voice 3: do you want

[1:33:18] Voice 8: to try and answer hi

[1:33:23] Voice 1: uh would you like me to read what i i have

[1:33:28] Voice 3: okay

[1:33:28] Voice 1: uh that the saturn island local trust committee directs staff to schedule a special

[1:33:33] Voice 1: meeting on November 3rd, 2022, and to schedule a public hearing for application RZ2022.1

[1:33:43] Voice 1: on December 14th, 2022.

[1:33:47] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:33:48] Voice 6: Wow, Sarah, you are good.

[1:33:50] Voice 6: Holy smokes.

[1:33:53] Voice 6: Is there a reason why

[1:33:54] Voice 3: we're waiting for the day before?

[1:33:57] Voice 3: Just we need 45 days to complete referrals.

[1:34:02] Trustee Middleton (probable): So we're getting the bylaws first and second reading in early November and then it has to, you know, follow the appropriate time.

[1:34:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): It just so happens to be the day before the completion date, but there's no meaning there.

[1:34:20] Voice 3: It would probably take by the time we get the bylaws drafted and then sent out to agencies and First Nations for referral.

[1:34:28] Voice 3: deferral that would give us the maximum window it's just a nature trust a day before the act

[1:34:35] Voice 3: well so so this is really only to provide mr crooks and the crooks family that assurance that

[1:34:45] Voice 3: by the time uh yeah but they may not want to transfer you the money until december 15th

[1:34:53] Voice 3: to protect their interests but if for whatever reason we can't get to public hearing level 14

[1:35:05] Voice 3: because we're still dealing with outstanding issues that arise for example then that would

[1:35:12] Voice 3: be up to the courts to decide if they are willing to assume that higher level is good

[1:35:18] Voice 7: yeah

[1:35:18] Trustee Middleton (probable): so the nice thing about this approach is with the nature trust um that it doesn't affect

[1:35:24] Trustee Middleton (probable): them in any way it doesn't really affect you in any way at this point other than obviously it's

[1:35:28] Trustee Middleton (probable): the sale through the money and but i think we've done i think this is a good way to you guys should

[1:35:36] Trustee Middleton (probable): have pretty significant comfort i would think as we get into december that this is proceeding

[1:35:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): thing okay

[1:35:42] Voice 8: yeah yeah

[1:35:48] Trustee Middleton (probable): so we actually have somebody who she's not actually going to speak to us i

[1:35:53] Trustee Middleton (probable): don't think today but she's outside if you see somebody lurking it's judy myers who has

[1:35:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): a similar piece of property near mr bertolani's that she's also looking to do something very

[1:36:03] Trustee Middleton (probable): similar with the nature trust so we're going to have a look at it this afternoon as the

[1:36:07] Trustee Middleton (probable): local trust committee or certainly our planner anyway

[1:36:11] Trustee Middleton (probable): it's across harris road

[1:36:17] Voice 7: yeah

[1:36:18] Voice 6: it's about 30 acres

[1:36:20] Voice 6: yeah

[1:36:21] Trustee Middleton (probable): she's doing she's keeping a section for her cabin

[1:36:24] Trustee Middleton (probable): That used

[1:36:25] Voice 7: to be part of Law 8.

[1:36:26] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:36:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): Originally

[1:36:28] Voice 7: that was part of Law 8.

[1:36:29] Voice 7: I separated it.

[1:36:34] Voice 8: Right.

[1:36:34] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:36:35] Voice 7: And gone by, we changed it a few times.

[1:36:40] Voice 7: That's

[1:36:40] Trustee Middleton (probable): another good thing to know.

[1:36:43] Voice 7: Did we,

[1:36:46] Trustee Middleton (probable): those resolutions in regards to meetings, did we complete that business?

[1:36:50] Trustee Middleton (probable): I don't recall we voted, did we?

[1:36:51] Trustee Middleton (probable): I'll move them.

[1:36:53] Voice 3: yeah i don't think you can do

[1:36:54] Trustee Middleton (probable): you have both of those motions and sarah about the two meeting

[1:36:57] Trustee Middleton (probable): dates so we can vote it was all together yeah i've

[1:37:00] Voice 1: included it just in one motion because it's for

[1:37:04] Voice 1: one application one

[1:37:05] Trustee Middleton (probable): motion okay great thank you so uh in favor yeah excellent so that middleton

[1:37:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): yeah um thank you okay that's great so i think that's our next meeting dates anything to be

[1:37:20] Voice 6: said yes

[1:37:21] Trustee Middleton (probable): thanks mr town hall oh good god that's an eager participant mr john hutchinson has

[1:37:27] Trustee Middleton (probable): something to say yeah

[1:37:28] Voice 4: john hutchinson uh just following earlier um this application

[1:37:33] Voice 4: uh 14-2 the games application which you reported on i just wondered if another large property owner

[1:37:42] Voice 4: who may be interested in the idea of rv camping site and if during your discussions that

[1:37:52] Voice 4: maybe enter into some thoughts um just as a thought process thank you thanks

[1:37:59] Trustee Middleton (probable): thank you um any other comments from from the floor from the community

[1:38:09] Trustee Middleton (probable): Seeing none, we don't have a closed meeting.

[1:38:12] Trustee Middleton (probable): So now I'm basically, it's not a closed house meeting after all, so without any further fanfare, we'll just ask for the motion to adjourn.

[1:38:21] Trustee Middleton (probable): Seconded. Thank you, everybody.

[1:38:23] Trustee Middleton (probable): Thank you, Brad,

[1:38:24] Voice 6: for wandering through that complexity with skill.

[1:38:35] Voice 6: This isn't my last meeting.

[1:38:36] Voice 5: No, it isn't. Sorry.

[1:38:37] Voice 6: Sorry,

[1:38:38] Voice 5: I

[1:38:39] Voice 3: think Brad's probably

[1:38:45] Voice 3: I think that's it Robin. You have everything you need Sarah?

[1:38:51] Voice 3: Ilya, are you going back

[1:38:53] Voice 1: to your base?

[1:38:54] Voice 1: Yes, I have everything I need, yeah.

Saturna Local Trust Committee  
Regular Meeting Minutes 
October 20, 2022 ADOPTED Page 1 of 6 
 
 
Saturna Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
October 20, 2022 
Saturna Recreation and Cultural Centre 
104 Harris Road, Saturna Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Paul Brent, Local Trustee 
 Lee Middleton, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Brad Smith, Island Planner 
 Sarah Shugar, Recorder (electronic) 
  
Regrets: Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
There were approximately five members of the public in attendance. 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Acting Chair Middleton called the meeting to order at 11:35 a.m. and acknowledged that the 
meeting was being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. Acting Chair 
Middleton expressed congratulations to Trustee Brent as he is the newly elected Capital 
Regional District Electoral Area Director for the Southern Gulf Islands and introduced Local 
Trustee elect Mairead Boland. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following addition to the agenda was presented for consideration: 
 15.1 Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Minor Amendments Project - Proposed  
  Bylaws 133 and 134 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. TRUSTEE REPORTS 
 Trustee Brent noted the local elections were respectful and a great representation of the  
Islands Trust communities. 
 Acting Chair Middleton reported he has been working with the Parks Canada Liaison Committee 
regarding siting of two benches and two signs to be located at the East Point Park Reserve look 
out point. A Tsawout elder has recorded a welcome message for the park. 
4. CHAIR'S REPORT – none 
 
A D O P T E D 

 
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Regular Meeting Minutes 
October 20, 2022 ADOPTED Page 2 of 6 
 
5. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
 A member of the public expressed concerns regarding the lack of affordable housing and 
suggested zoning changes to allow recreational vehicles/mobile homes to be used as full time 
housing. The member of the public spoke to a mobile home park in Victoria as an example of 
mobile homes used for full time housing. 
 Trustee Brent reported the CRD does not allow residential use of structures that do not meet 
the BC Building Code and recreational vehicles/ trailers do not meet BC Building Code. The CRD 
does not enforce unless there are health, safety issues or a complaint. The Saturna Island LTC 
standing resolution states that they will not enforce unless there are health, safety issues of a 
complaint from an immediate neighbour. 
 A member of the public expressed support for the LTC to encourage property owners to have 
the ability to have a recreational vehicle/mobile home on their property to increase the 
affordable housing supply. 
6. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING 
None 
7. PUBLIC HEARING 
None 
8. MINUTES 
8.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated July 21, 2022 (for Adoption) 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
 Item 3 Trustee Report - Replace “Trustee Middleton – Lee reported that he is 
working as a member of the Parks Liason Committee and also reported the 
formation of the first standing committee of the Islands Trust Council which meets 
on July 29, 2022.” with “Trustee Middleton – Lee reported that he is working as a 
member of the Parks Liaison Committee and also reported the formation of the first 
standing Governance committee of the Islands Trust Council which meets on July 
29, 2022.”  
 Item 14.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage - Replace “Trustee Middleton is working 
on the Local Trust Committee Webpage.” with “For Information”. 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of July 21, 2022 were 
adopted as amended. 
  

 
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8.2 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record Dated July 21, 2022 (for Receipt) 
 It was noted the public record should be amended to replace “Steve Wright” with 
“Trustee Middleton” in the attendance section. 
The Public Record was received. 
8.3 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
9. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
9.1 Follow-up Action List Dated October 2022 
 The LTC agreed to leave whale watching resolutions in the Follow-up Action List. 
 Trustee Brent advised the Groundwater Solutions report includes several technical 
issues and should not be used as a basis for land use decisions. 
 The Trustee Swearing in Ceremony will be held on November 17, 2022. It was noted 
staff Could book a Community Information Meeting regarding the fees bylaw after 
that date depending on direction from the new LTC 
10. DELEGATIONS  
 None 
11. CORRESPONDENCE  
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
 None 
12. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
12.1 SA-RZ-2022.1 (Bertolami and Crooks) - Staff Report  
Planner Smith presented a staff report dated October 12, 2022 regarding an application 
to re designate and rezone a portion of the subject parcel located at 104 Narvaez Bay 
Road currently designated Forest Land (F) and zoned Forest General (FG) to a 
designation of Rural (R) and a zoning of Rural General (RG). In addition, 10 subdivision 
densities would be removed from the subject parcel located at 119 Payne Road and 
transferred to the subject parcel located at 104 Narvaez Bay Road via a Land Use Bylaw 
amendment that would increase the subdivision density on the newly created Rural 
General zoned portion of 104 Narvaez Bay Road to a maximum of 12 new lots. 
  

 
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 SA-2022-035 
 It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to proceed with application 
GL-RZ-2022.1 (Bertolami & Crooks) and to prepare draft bylaws consistent with Option 3 
as described in the October 20, 2022 staff report.  
CARRIED 
 Applicant Ilio Bertolami was in attendance and spoke to the application. There was 
discussion regarding the next steps in the rezoning process. Trustees expressed support 
to schedule a Public Hearing prior to December 15, 2022. There was a question 
regarding whether the Saturna Island LTC could hold densities in a Community Amenity 
Density Reserve. Planner Smith advised staff would review the density holding 
mechanisms as part of the application process. 
SA-2022-036 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee endorse application GL-RZ-2022.1 
(Bertolami & Crooks) and its benefits to nature in terms of environmental protection and 
expansion of continuous forests as well as improvements in density in the community. 
CARRIED 
13. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
 None 
14. REPORTS 
14.1 Work Program Reports  
14.1.1 Top Priorities Report Dated October 2022 
 For information 
14.1.2 Projects List Report Dated October 2022 
   For information 
14.2 Applications Report Dated October 2022  
  For information 
14.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated August 2022  
  For information 
14.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions  
  For information 
14.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 

 
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14.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Dated July 2022 
14.6.1 Islands Trust Conservancy Plan - Referral for Comment 
   For Information 
15. NEW BUSINESS 
15.1 Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Minor Amendments Project - Proposed 
Bylaws 133 and 134  
  Planner Smith reported the Bylaws have received Minister approval. 
 
SA-2022-037 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee adopt Bylaw No. 133, cited as “Saturna 
Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 70, 2000, Amendment No. 1, 2021”. 
CARRIED 
 
SA-2022-038 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee adopt Bylaw No. 134, cited as “Saturna 
Island Land Use Bylaw No. 119, 2018, Amendment No. 1, 2021”. 
CARRIED 
16. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
16.1 Next Regular Meeting  
 Planner Smith reported the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee regular meetings are 
held quarterly on the third Thursday of the month. The next regular meeting is 
scheduled on February 16, 2023.  
SA-2022-039 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee adopt the 2023 LTC regular meeting 
schedule as proposed by staff. 
CARRIED 
 
 SA-2022-040 
 It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to schedule a Special Meeting 
on November 3, 2022 and schedule a Public Hearing on December 14, 2022 for 
application GL-RZ-2022.1 (Bertolami & Crooks). 
CARRIED 
  

 
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17. TOWN HALL  
 A member of the public expressed support for the LTC to discuss the possibility for a 
recreational vehicle camping site when considering application SA-SUB-2022.1.  
18. CLOSED MEETING 
None 
19. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:15 pm. 
 
 
 
 
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Lee Middleton, Acting Chair 
 
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Certified Correct: 
Sarah Shugar, Recorder