Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, October 27, 2022

[0:00:25] Voice 2: Okay, so we're now live streaming and recording. People used to say, talk among yourselves.

[0:01:24] Voice 2: Okay, live streaming.

[0:01:27] Voice 11: Oh, I see Ian's there.

[0:01:31] Trustee Langereis: I'm going to let Ian in. Mr. Scott, maybe if you and

[0:01:36] Trustee Langereis: And Ms. Pierce can let you in, but you can just stay on mute and turn your camera off

[0:01:47] Trustee Langereis: until we're ready to get to you, although I see it's just disappeared.

[0:01:50] Trustee Langereis: So, okay.

[0:01:54] Trustee Langereis: So, global recorder extraordinaire, are you ready to go?

[0:02:00] Trustee Langereis: And planner extraordinaire, are you ready to go?

[0:02:03] Trustee Langereis: And trustees, are you ready to go?

[0:02:06] Trustee Langereis: Excellent.

[0:02:06] Trustee Langereis: it so good morning everyone this is the last regular meeting of the gabriel trust committee

[0:02:15] Trustee Langereis: for this term my name is dan rogers and i would like to start by acknowledging that we're

[0:02:23] Trustee Langereis: very privileged to meet in the traditional territories of many coast salish people and

[0:02:30] Trustee Langereis: in particular uh on gabriola we are um honored and humbled to be able to live in the traditional

[0:02:37] Trustee Langereis: territory of this name of first nation i want i do want to say that i i've learned a lot about

[0:02:44] Trustee Langereis: what that means on gabriel um through the work of my fellow trustees um and uh through the work of

[0:02:52] Trustee Langereis: the staff and the work of the community as to as to um the importance of first nation both

[0:02:59] Trustee Langereis: both engagement in history and understanding and listening, et cetera.

[0:03:03] Trustee Langereis: So it's been an interesting journey, a wonderful journey,

[0:03:09] Trustee Langereis: and a necessary journey for me and I think for the community at large.

[0:03:13] Trustee Langereis: I have, over the last term, given my co-trustees,

[0:03:17] Trustee Langereis: an opportunity to make any acknowledgement they'd like to make,

[0:03:21] Trustee Langereis: and given this is our last opportunity to do that,

[0:03:23] Trustee Langereis: I would like to turn to Trustee Langer,

[0:03:26] Trustee Langereis: your accent see if he'd like to say anything about uh in terms of the acknowledgement yeah i'd also

[0:03:30] Voice 5: like to acknowledge my gratitude to be able to live on gay girl all these years in the territory

[0:03:36] Voice 5: of the senegal first nation and it's uh it's a beautiful island it's a beautiful place to live

[0:03:43] Voice 5: and hopefully we can take care of it the way the senegal first nation has done for millennia

[0:03:49] Voice 5: right thank

[0:03:50] Voice 5: you thanks

[0:03:51] Trustee Langereis: trustee mr filbert yeah

[0:03:53] Voice 10: thank you um there was a beautiful ceremony

[0:03:57] Voice 10: i've heard second hand um across the road at the museum with elder jill d manson and other

[0:04:03] Voice 10: elders listening there's tangible signs that things are changing and that the relationships

[0:04:10] Voice 10: are healing and that's the work that we have in front of us and i hope you contribute somewhat

[0:04:15] Voice 10: to that this term i live at will still be letson which is closer together between beaches and i

[0:04:21] Voice 10: want to give gratitude to the elders gary manson and general manson for helping me

[0:04:27] Voice 10: learn more about the place that i live thank

[0:04:29] Trustee Langereis: you um thanks this is uh this is the regular meeting

[0:04:34] Trustee Langereis: of the gabriel local trust committee uh it is being recorded um it is also uh being um live

[0:04:44] Trustee Langereis: live streamed uh and we will be uh you will be able to in the community will be able to um

[0:04:51] Trustee Langereis: to watch the live stream uh and uh at some point in the near future be able to go back and watch

[0:04:58] Trustee Langereis: the recording uh i know people watch it uh because i was on a ferry to main island the other day and

[0:05:04] Trustee Langereis: someone came up to me from from gabriola and said i saw you on tv and i said well you probably mean

[0:05:10] Trustee Langereis: our live stream and we had a very nice chat it was a woman whose name i'd forgotten but she had seen

[0:05:16] Trustee Langereis: me at a gabriola local trust committee um and uh was visiting some friends and i know i know

[0:05:24] Trustee Langereis: walking around um some islands uh people recognize me and there's no reason they would know me other

[0:05:29] Trustee Langereis: than this so um uh so thank you uh so that we're doing that and and we're pleased to be able to do

[0:05:36] Trustee Langereis: that uh one thing i won't miss by not being a chair is hauling the equipment around and being

[0:05:42] Trustee Langereis: the technical guy that sets it up given that i have no technical ability whatsoever but i have

[0:05:47] Trustee Langereis: managed to make this happen um so far so we will see that it continues to work with me of course

[0:05:54] Trustee Langereis: are your local trustees so i have to see scott holborn um and trustee case langris it's always

[0:06:00] Trustee Langereis: been a pleasure to work with you and uh we have with our staff i see we have another staff member

[0:06:05] Trustee Langereis: over here oh um manager dingman who was with us and of course uh our island planner and acting

[0:06:13] Trustee Langereis: rpm hopefully for not too much longer am i doing

[0:06:16] Voice 4: that terrible of a job no not from my perspective

[0:06:19] Voice 4: i was

[0:06:19] Trustee Langereis: reflecting our conversation

[0:06:21] Trustee Langereis: yesterday that it was making you a little bit crazy

[0:06:24] Trustee Langereis: and unless you've applied for the job and i don't know about it but anyway so

[0:06:31] Voice 4: just to note that the

[0:06:32] Voice 4: the live stream right now isn't working oh dear

[0:06:34] Voice 4: says it is

[0:06:36] Voice 4: it's not so if you wanted to ensure

[0:06:41] Voice 4: that the live stream reflects what's happening you might want to just pause with the victoria

[0:06:46] Voice 4: office is looking on it right now do

[0:06:48] Trustee Langereis: we have this problem in uh on main island on my so after all of

[0:06:53] Trustee Langereis: my commentary about being able to do this of

[0:06:56] Voice 2: course it turns out it's not working it might

[0:07:03] Voice 2: be out of your control anyway but i'm

[0:07:05] Trustee Langereis: getting a blank screen that says will is will back on

[0:07:10] Trustee Langereis: or something um i'm getting if they can hear me i'm getting a blank screen that says collaborate

[0:07:16] Trustee Langereis: video but then when i go back to my zoom it actually says custom live stream service

[0:07:24] Trustee Langereis: uh and says live um

[0:07:29] Voice 2: what else to

[0:07:38] Trustee Langereis: do i've done all the things i'm supposed to do

[0:07:41] Trustee Langereis: i don't see either of them on the meeting

[0:07:46] Voice 4: they're definitely behind the scenes if i'm getting

[0:07:51] Voice 4: messages okay

[0:07:52] Trustee Langereis: so we'll just pause for a moment while we try and work this out

[0:07:55] Voice 12: our

[0:07:59] Voice 10: largest in-person attendance of the entire term you're

[0:08:04] Voice 2: looking at us looking at a screen

[0:08:53] Voice 2: um i know the webinar

[0:08:55] Trustee Langereis: is working because mr scott's waiting in the uh in the waiting room

[0:08:59] Trustee Langereis: and miss pierce is also it has joined us i know they're joining us as applicants

[0:09:04] Trustee Langereis: um where was i was introducing island planner and technical consultant sonja zubinich and of course

[0:09:13] Trustee Langereis: as our recorder, Nadine Morrow, I will miss working with both of you. And we're pleased

[0:09:20] Trustee Langereis: to be here. And behind the scenes, believe it or not, we have staff that are trying to

[0:09:25] Trustee Langereis: make things work. So it's great to be able to be supported the way we are by our fabulous

[0:09:31] Trustee Langereis: administrative staff and overworked administrative staff of the trust. So welcome. We have an

[0:09:39] Trustee Langereis: agenda this is our business meeting of um uh october the 27th does anybody have anything

[0:09:47] Trustee Langereis: they wish to add or or amend for the agenda either trustee is there anything from you uh planners

[0:09:53] Trustee Langereis: okay so the first item on the agenda then we'll take the agenda approved as presented i just want

[0:10:02] Trustee Langereis: to i just need to pull up my um email for a second um get some information

[0:10:10] Trustee Langereis: the first item on the agenda is our rise and report uh which is from

[0:10:18] Trustee Langereis: our last meeting of of uh september the 29th and we simply had a report we considered the

[0:10:28] Trustee Langereis: appointment of the board of variance uh for the gabriel local trust area the terms um

[0:10:34] Trustee Langereis: had expired and we have appointed jack woodward laurie jackson and katherine verge to the board

[0:10:42] Trustee Langereis: of variance i don't know if any of you are familiar with the board of variance it's a

[0:10:47] Trustee Langereis: statutory body that's set up for allow applicants if they don't if they to either go directly if

[0:10:54] Trustee Langereis: they're looking for a variance in terms of their property to go directly or to take an issue if

[0:10:59] Trustee Langereis: they don't agree with the decision of the local trust committee to go to the board of parents

[0:11:04] Trustee Langereis: it's not used all that much um i can only recall two or three in my three or four trust uh local

[0:11:12] Trustee Langereis: trust committees over the last four years so but we did appoint those three people again uh thank

[0:11:18] Trustee Langereis: you to their for their volunteer service uh mr woodward and ms jackson were reappointees and

[0:11:24] Trustee Langereis: and Ms. Burge was a new appointee.

[0:11:27] Trustee Langereis: So the next item on the agenda then is reports,

[0:11:31] Trustee Langereis: and it's over to trustees for their reports.

[0:11:38] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[0:11:39] Voice 10: There was an event,

[0:11:41] Voice 10: I kind of mentioned the event at the museum,

[0:11:43] Voice 10: there's been several events

[0:11:44] Voice 10: as they do some culturally appropriate work

[0:11:49] Voice 10: with the petroglyphs there,

[0:11:50] Voice 10: and I thank the museum and the Elders for that work.

[0:11:54] Voice 10: I attended on Sunday a health and wellness collaborative.

[0:11:58] Voice 10: So that collaborative now is up to 52 island organizations,

[0:12:02] Voice 10: which is really staggering when you think about it.

[0:12:05] Voice 10: It's an opportunity, somewhat an informal association,

[0:12:08] Voice 10: and they held a meeting, sort of a workshop.

[0:12:12] Voice 10: There were three areas of discussion, truth and reconciliation,

[0:12:17] Voice 10: climate change, which David Miller from Island Futures

[0:12:20] Voice 10: and the Community Investment Co-op held.

[0:12:23] Voice 10: emergency preparedness with director Vanessa Craig who's here with us today gave a talk on

[0:12:30] Voice 10: that and there were some discussions really excellent format and a good three-hour event

[0:12:37] Voice 10: to kind of discuss where that organization is

[0:12:40] Voice 10: going and how all these things are interconnected

[0:12:42] Voice 10: and some good solutions came out of it so that was the that was this past week and that's my

[0:12:48] Voice 10: my last report. Thank you,

[0:12:50] Trustee Langereis: Trustee Gould. Trustee

[0:12:53] Trustee Langereis: Langer. Thank you.

[0:12:54] Voice 5: I don't have a lot to report, but I did

[0:12:57] Voice 5: attend the unveiling of the

[0:12:58] Voice 5: petroglyphs at the museum on

[0:13:01] Voice 5: Saturday, and it was a really

[0:13:02] Voice 5: nice ceremony. It was some beautiful

[0:13:05] Voice 5: petroglyphs, and the ceremony

[0:13:07] Voice 5: in which Jared Hooper was

[0:13:08] Voice 5: given an advantage for his work in

[0:13:10] Voice 5: copying the petroglyphs from around the

[0:13:13] Voice 5: island. So it was a very

[0:13:15] Voice 5: moving event.

[0:13:15] Voice 5: uh event uh the only other thing is that i want to congratulate the two new trustees who made some

[0:13:22] Voice 5: toby elliott they are going to be stepping up here in the next while i wish them all the best in the

[0:13:29] Voice 5: next for the next four years so congratulations that's it thanks very

[0:13:35] Trustee Langereis: much um so this is my uh

[0:13:41] Trustee Langereis: last meeting and it's the of the local trust committee uh chair for gabriel and it's been a

[0:13:49] Trustee Langereis: fabulous four years um i know we said a few of our goodbyes last meeting but um we didn't we weren't

[0:13:55] Trustee Langereis: sure we were going to have another one so i won't repeat a lot of those other than just acknowledge

[0:14:00] Trustee Langereis: what it what a great privilege it's been to be able to be the chair of gabriela and we get to

[0:14:05] Trustee Langereis: know the island a little bit i wish i was explaining to someone that it's often hard to

[0:14:12] Trustee Langereis: get to know the island too much unless you come and stay for a little while because we get off

[0:14:16] Trustee Langereis: the ferry I come to the meeting I go home I get on the ferry and I travel back I come from Keats

[0:14:22] Trustee Langereis: Island which is right across there where this is actually the most challenging island for me to get

[0:14:27] Trustee Langereis: to even though it's I can see it if I go and down to Twin Beaches I can see Keats Island across the

[0:14:34] Trustee Langereis: way on a clear day I did bring my boat once in July and that was a really great experience so

[0:14:39] Trustee Langereis: i wish i got to know more and i will inspire me to come back um it is an amazing place because

[0:14:45] Trustee Langereis: there's and the island's trust office is here i want to acknowledge all the work of the islands

[0:14:49] Trustee Langereis: the offices that are here and the admin staff i hope to pop over them later and say goodbye to

[0:14:54] Trustee Langereis: them it's been a pleasure to work with um planner zupanich and all the planners and of course we

[0:14:59] Trustee Langereis: have the best recorder that i've ever run across here um she uh has written most of our motions

[0:15:08] Trustee Langereis: before we actually say anything it's really fun to be able to get to know you um and so i wanted

[0:15:15] Trustee Langereis: to just say a couple of things and i'm saying all of this because what happens is some local

[0:15:20] Trustee Langereis: trust committees do their meeting their their trust reports at the beginning and some do it at

[0:15:24] Trustee Langereis: the end um but i find people leave the meeting so uh if i did if i said all those things at the end

[0:15:31] Trustee Langereis: of the meeting unless you watched recording you wouldn't see them and uh so while you're all still

[0:15:35] Trustee Langereis: I know some of you will stick to the end, but I wanted to just report a few things about

[0:15:43] Trustee Langereis: the trust generally.

[0:15:46] Trustee Langereis: The election on October the 15th led to 15 new trustees.

[0:15:57] Trustee Langereis: Now two of those are returning trustees, including soon to be trustee elect Gates, and one from

[0:16:05] Trustee Langereis: denman who had served eight nine years ago um david graham but that means there are 13 brand

[0:16:11] Trustee Langereis: new trustees uh along with 11 returning trustees so it's a fairly hefty turnover

[0:16:18] Trustee Langereis: uh i wish them luck in trying to work their way through the many issues that this trust council

[0:16:24] Trustee Langereis: has left for them to work through including governance and trust policy statement and

[0:16:30] Trustee Langereis: and the issues of climate change and housing emergencies that we've declared.

[0:16:35] Trustee Langereis: I do know, I want to also acknowledge you are two people who are successful.

[0:16:41] Trustee Langereis: I know them, I've gotten to know them both over the last four years,

[0:16:44] Trustee Langereis: and I know they will do the island proud.

[0:16:48] Trustee Langereis: And I know that they had an introduction meeting on Tuesday night

[0:16:54] Trustee Langereis: where they got to know each other a little bit, and that was over Zoom.

[0:16:59] Trustee Langereis: So that's going to be, it's always a very steep learning curve for new trustees to understand what the, how the trust work because it's not simple and anybody who tells you it is all we can fix this just by doing that they, it is a very complicated organization because of the tension between local autonomy and and regionalized and generalized governance.

[0:17:23] Trustee Langereis: That's only one reason also because we it is a region that encompasses in excess of 30 fair stations that we try to have relationships with.

[0:17:36] Trustee Langereis: And of course it's much loved by many and and and tends to be subject to abuse by by those who love it so much because it gets used a lot.

[0:17:48] Trustee Langereis: So it's a very complicated place. And I wish them luck in trying to figure it. I encourage them to listen carefully to staff who understand it and have the depth of knowledge to give good advice and then make good decisions.

[0:18:03] Trustee Langereis: The first formal trust council will be on November the 17th, when the trustees will be sworn in.

[0:18:12] Trustee Langereis: And then they just the other thing to notice is note is that the new executive will be chosen on November the 19th.

[0:18:22] Trustee Langereis: And also the representatives the trust can find this trust conservancy.

[0:18:26] Trustee Langereis: That is a matter of some controversy, because people say it's not enough time.

[0:18:30] Trustee Langereis: i fully expect it will occur in any case despite the concerns about that um and the person who

[0:18:38] Trustee Langereis: sits in my chair will be chosen probably the following week from amongst the uh the executive

[0:18:45] Trustee Langereis: that's chosen there are

[0:18:46] Voice 1: three vice chairs in one

[0:18:47] Trustee Langereis: chair uh and they sit and listen to trustees and

[0:18:52] Trustee Langereis: talk about who where what works best and then the assignments are chosen um at least my experience

[0:18:59] Trustee Langereis: was on a cooperative basis uh i do know these two came to me fairly quickly in the process and asked

[0:19:05] Trustee Langereis: me if i would lobby to come to gabriel uh which i did um i don't know why they did that i think it

[0:19:11] Trustee Langereis: was the previous trustees who suggested it anyway there's a process that falls and it's not

[0:19:15] Trustee Langereis: surprising it involves a lot of conversation so that's what's going on in the trust there's a lot

[0:19:22] Trustee Langereis: going on it's a very it's a very busy time a lot of local trust committees are are sort of

[0:19:27] Trustee Langereis: cancelling the november meetings because of a delay in getting the meeting started

[0:19:34] Trustee Langereis: but it will start going and it will start moving again and the work of the trust and of the local

[0:19:40] Trustee Langereis: trust committees will continue happy to answer any questions about that so that's my report is

[0:19:46] Trustee Langereis: as the chair about what's happening at a trust council level i'm going to actually now turn it

[0:19:54] Trustee Langereis: over to the electoral area director um and director craig it's been a pleasure working with you as

[0:20:00] Trustee Langereis: well you are the most diligent director i have run across in all of my local trusts that you're

[0:20:04] Trustee Langereis: always in some form or another at this meeting and it's been a real pleasure with you and i know

[0:20:11] Trustee Langereis: you're re-elected and and um working your way through maybe icc hierarchy and you're very

[0:20:18] Trustee Langereis: committed would you like to come up here and and so you can have your it can be or you're happy to

[0:20:22] Trustee Langereis: sit there i

[0:20:23] Voice 4: can i can just sit here okay so making everybody shift around so um thank you for four

[0:20:29] Voice 4: years of working together i've been really impressed with the thoughtfulness of the

[0:20:34] Voice 4: discussions and um working individually with all of you so thank you for all of your work

[0:20:42] Voice 4: um just a couple of uh updates just because um it's been we've been in a bit of a hiatus through

[0:20:48] Voice 4: the election as well so at huxley park you would see the shade structures and installed

[0:20:53] Voice 4: and fixing around part of the park is in the process of being installed uh the rdn and i

[0:20:58] Voice 4: know i've been um asked about this by trustees in the past they were hosting a tree planting party

[0:21:03] Voice 4: at the end of november to start getting those trees planted that um that was part of the

[0:21:08] Voice 4: agreement with the island's trust for replacing some of which or two at least a two to one ratio

[0:21:14] Voice 4: over replacing trees that were moved uh the posac meeting that had to be rescheduled is now

[0:21:19] Voice 4: scheduled for november 28th and a 6 30 p.m start at the aggie hall so we're going to be trying to

[0:21:26] Voice 4: see if an evening meeting schedule works well for members of the public i just wanted to let you

[0:21:34] Voice 4: know um just because of it's a parks issue the armenian previously went through an alternative

[0:21:39] Voice 4: of approval process for a change the little qualicum river regional park and i mentioned

[0:21:43] Voice 4: this before but as it turns out some of the necessary information wasn't distributed at

[0:21:48] Voice 4: the time just the information that they could actually go and view the documents so we're

[0:21:53] Voice 4: redoing the aap so the new deadline will be november 28th the first one was successful but

[0:21:59] Voice 4: just to make sure that everything is carried out properly we're redoing it uh arty and staff are

[0:22:05] Voice 4: applying for a grant to create a fuel management prescription for distanso bay regional park and

[0:22:10] Voice 4: cox community park both of those areas were identified as higher fire risk in the area of the

[0:22:16] Voice 4: community welfare resiliency plan compared to other areas across the rdn so it's it's it's

[0:22:21] Voice 4: looking across the rdn at the highest risk areas and and unfortunately areas in the island gabriel

[0:22:28] Voice 4: seem to be rising to the top of the pile first it was a 707 and now it's cox and distanso

[0:22:33] Voice 4: So we just increased the number of rebates available

[0:22:37] Voice 4: for residents wishing to either exchange their wood stove

[0:22:40] Voice 4: for a more efficient one,

[0:22:41] Voice 4: or just switch to a different form of heating,

[0:22:43] Voice 4: such as heat pumps or pellet stoves.

[0:22:46] Voice 4: And the inaugural meeting for the R&D board is November 8th.

[0:22:50] Voice 4: So that's my update.

[0:22:52] Trustee Langereis: Thank

[0:22:53] Voice 4: you very much.

[0:22:54] Voice 11: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[0:22:55] Trustee Langereis: Thank you, Dirk.

[0:22:56] Trustee Langereis: So trustees, First Nations reports,

[0:23:01] Trustee Langereis: Would you have do you have anything beyond what you you talked about earlier?

[0:23:05] Trustee Langereis: Just to get libraries. No, and I I I don't have anything either.

[0:23:11] Trustee Langereis: So this brings us to town hall that's okay.

[0:23:21] Trustee Langereis: um so this is your opportunity to speak to the to the local trust committee related to

[0:23:26] Trustee Langereis: um any items that are on our agenda or things that you think should be on our agenda um i

[0:23:33] Trustee Langereis: if you're

[0:23:34] Voice 8: sorry a couple of us here missed what you had spoken about about the first nations

[0:23:38] Voice 8: um you referred to some information that they've come forward when you missed that oh

[0:23:43] Trustee Langereis: do you want

[0:23:44] Trustee Langereis: to uh mention again what you talked about earlier about these gentlemen just this gentleman just

[0:23:49] Trustee Langereis: said you talked about some ceremony and you actually both said yeah it's the same do you

[0:23:55] Trustee Langereis: want to repeat it because somebody missed it

[0:23:56] Voice 10: no um there was a sorry there was a ceremony uh there's

[0:24:03] Voice 10: been two ceremonies at the museum um so that was the information right yeah

[0:24:09] Voice 8: we didn't understand

[0:24:09] Voice 8: yeah

[0:24:10] Trustee Langereis: occasionally we have it as a standing item on our on our agenda for stations reports if there

[0:24:17] Trustee Langereis: are specific uh uh items that we want to bring that community okay thank you very much um so

[0:24:25] Trustee Langereis: this is your opportunity to speak to the local trust committee uh i remind you of our uh sort

[0:24:30] Trustee Langereis: of three golden rules about speaking to the local trust committee first of all please speak to the

[0:24:35] Trustee Langereis: trustees not to each other not to the staff if there's a there's a question that we would like

[0:24:40] Trustee Langereis: you that we think the staff needs to answer we'll direct it to the staff to get them to do that this

[0:24:46] Trustee Langereis: is your opportunity to speak to trustees about items as i said on our agenda or that you think

[0:24:51] Trustee Langereis: should be we should be considering if we do our work it's always it's always helpful if it's

[0:24:55] Trustee Langereis: within our jurisdiction as opposed to something that we can't do anything although we do hear

[0:25:00] Trustee Langereis: from time to time um things where they say can you advocate for such and such um so if particularly

[0:25:06] Trustee Langereis: if it's on our agenda today and you want to speak to it this will be your opportunity because when

[0:25:10] Trustee Langereis: we get to the item on the agenda it doesn't usually turn into a community conversation it

[0:25:14] Trustee Langereis: turns it becomes a conversation between us because it's our workplace second thing is is we ask you

[0:25:21] Trustee Langereis: to speak to issues and not people um so that you talk to to what the issue is and not make

[0:25:29] Trustee Langereis: commentary related to other individuals or either us or anywhere else this is it has to be a safe

[0:25:36] Trustee Langereis: place for people to come and uh and this is our workplace and it's also uh hopefully a safe place

[0:25:43] Trustee Langereis: place for for communities members to come and and make their points of view known uh and and I will

[0:25:51] Trustee Langereis: say that um almost without exception in fact I can't even think of an occasion where well maybe

[0:25:57] Trustee Langereis: one um that that Gabriel has proven itself to be a very um a very respectful civil place to come

[0:26:06] Trustee Langereis: I've enjoyed hearing the dialogue and the conversation and the commentary from the

[0:26:11] Trustee Langereis: community uh the last thing is of course um is that we ask that you uh speak you speaking and

[0:26:18] Trustee Langereis: following up on that in an appropriate fashion as i like to say uh speak in a way and address

[0:26:25] Trustee Langereis: yourself in a way that you're would make your grandmother proud and somebody said to me you

[0:26:29] Trustee Langereis: haven't met my grandmother but if you could ask you to do that in a way that you would imagine

[0:26:35] Trustee Langereis: uh your kids and your grandfather your grandmother would make you proud and that they'd be happy

[0:26:40] Trustee Langereis: with that that's the appropriate in other words none of the isms etc and i'm quite sure that

[0:26:45] Trustee Langereis: everybody knows what i speak so i look forward to hearing from you so uh with that uh i'm going to

[0:26:50] Trustee Langereis: open the floor to the town hall and ask who is anybody wish to speak to to the local trust

[0:26:55] Trustee Langereis: committee uh about any of the items on our agenda or something else just put your hand up yes sir go

[0:27:04] Trustee Langereis: ahead um

[0:27:05] Voice 2: i would like to take a moment

[0:27:08] Voice 8: to address

[0:27:09] Voice 7: first let

[0:27:10] Voice 8: me extract this from my hair

[0:27:12] Voice 7: um you're

[0:27:14] Voice 7: considering later today the uh suspension of enforcement on illegal funds uh here on gabriella

[0:27:23] Voice 7: and uh i won't reiterate all the stuff about why the housing crisis is a crisis and how do you do

[0:27:29] Voice 7: that affects the community i would just like to remind you of a couple of things that affect your

[0:27:33] Voice 7: consideration of that um draw your attention back to the interview with the center that took place

[0:27:40] Voice 7: after the last committee during which your bylaw enforcement person who i believe is sitting over

[0:27:45] Voice 7: there that we haven't met uh um noted that there are possibly hundreds of illegal dwellings on

[0:27:53] Voice 7: gabriela um that's a significant portion of our community and the lack of clarity around how many

[0:28:00] Voice 7: such dwellings there are really inhibits the ability of the trust community and the community

[0:28:06] Voice 7: at large to address the problems and issues that surround that. Without an accurate census

[0:28:13] Voice 7: of how many such dwellings there are, it's really difficult to properly allocate resources,

[0:28:20] Voice 7: to properly consider community concerns about real issues like water, sewage, things like that.

[0:28:29] Voice 7: so the proposal that I believe you're considering later today allowing enforcement of sewage and

[0:28:37] Voice 7: public health things is I think really important for allowing people who reside in illegal or

[0:28:42] Voice 7: non-compliant dwellings to advocate on their own behalf that they be housed in appropriate

[0:28:49] Voice 7: circumstances and receive value for the money that they're paying to those rural elites in

[0:28:54] Voice 7: our community who are in possession of those suites uh and are taking that as a source of

[0:29:00] Voice 7: profit to them without any ability for tenants who are in fear of losing their housing to complain

[0:29:05] Voice 7: about their health and safety conditions um and so i think those two considerations the the correct

[0:29:11] Voice 7: census of such dwellings and the ability of tenants to advocate on their own behalf you know

[0:29:16] Voice 7: are really important for you to consider uh and i would further remind you that taking the step

[0:29:22] Voice 7: of suspending enforcement of bylaws is something that this local trust committee has done before

[0:29:28] Voice 7: on april 11th 2019 the gabriel island local trust committee adopted a standing resolution

[0:29:36] Voice 7: to direct staff to not to not enforce section b62 of gabriel island land use bylaw number 177

[0:29:49] Voice 7: which regulates public markets operated indoors.

[0:29:53] Voice 7: That was a conflict in the community.

[0:29:56] Voice 7: And it was a conflict in the community around.

[0:30:00] Voice 7: long-standing and basically essential avenues for the community to engage collectively in its public

[0:30:07] Voice 7: life this is while yes different in scale and scope in some ways similar in that it leads to

[0:30:16] Voice 7: the heart of the community's functioning and the suspension of the bylaw which limits the community

[0:30:22] Voice 7: and the community's ability to act and our administration's ability to act

[0:30:26] Voice 7: uh is it's good to remove the barriers for the community's essential functioning and in doing so

[0:30:36] to seek to establish better

[0:30:38] Voice 7: processes and i think the the feedback that you got from the advisory

[0:30:42] Voice 7: planning commission to was really good in that it limits the the length of that bylaw and gives

[0:30:47] Voice 7: clear instructions to the incoming council on how to consider the implementation of uh of that

[0:30:53] Voice 7: standing resolution and i encourage you in the strongest possible terms uh that i can use politely

[0:30:59] Voice 7: to uh uh to issue the directions to suspend enforcement of illegal dwellings with the

[0:31:08] Voice 7: caveats and limitations uh put forth given the uh in the proposal before you today and i think

[0:31:15] Voice 7: that's everything i need to say thanks so that wasn't commentary on your no that was something

[0:31:20] Voice 7: Do

[0:31:20] Voice 10: you think it's really on fire?

[0:31:21] Voice 10: Yeah, there's a few things on fire.

[0:31:22] Voice 10: We're looking at some wires.

[0:31:24] Voice 10: And I am on duty, so I am monitoring it,

[0:31:25] Voice 10: but I'll try to make it less intrusive.

[0:31:28] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:31:29] Voice 10: Thank you, sir.

[0:31:31] Trustee Langereis: Others wish to speak on that or any other issues?

[0:31:34] Trustee Langereis: Yes.

[0:31:36] Voice 4: As the person who raised this issue with the LTC back in July,

[0:31:42] Voice 4: I think it was, the July meeting,

[0:31:45] Voice 4: I really agree with the statement that's just been made.

[0:31:49] Voice 4: i've written you several letters and i think they appear as part of the package so i don't need to

[0:31:56] Voice 4: go over them your

[0:31:58] Voice 11: most recent was on saturday yes yes thank you so

[0:32:05] Voice 4: i understand that this is a very

[0:32:09] Voice 4: difficult issue it is a bylaw and we're actually trying to suspend that bylaw temporarily but i

[0:32:17] Voice 4: really want to reiterate what i said in my letter that a two-year um or two-year deferment is really

[0:32:27] Voice 4: not adequate because many of our dwellings will never be compliant with the bylaw as it currently

[0:32:35] Voice 4: stands and so i think we need to look at the final change it to reflect what really is going on in

[0:32:43] Voice 4: community and to that end make the deferment not time limited

[0:32:50] Voice 2: and

[0:32:53] Voice 4: um further to that i just want

[0:32:55] Voice 4: to thank all of you for your service over the past four years um i think there have been some

[0:33:02] Voice 4: really challenging issues that you've wrestled with and it's been really impressive to see how

[0:33:09] Voice 4: you've dealt with them so thank you for your service thank

[0:33:13] Voice 11: you anyone else yes go ahead

[0:33:17] Voice 11: um

[0:33:18] Voice 4: yeah toby elliot i echo marvie um thank you so much all three of you it's been wonderful to

[0:33:26] Voice 4: have your leadership and thoughtfulness and thoroughness and considering all the issues

[0:33:31] Voice 4: facing our community um i just want to encourage you um to take action on this item that these

[0:33:39] Voice 4: These two people have discussed the different of enforcement

[0:33:45] Voice 4: on whether you call them illegal or non-compliant

[0:33:48] Voice 4: .

[0:33:49] Voice 4: I think it's work that is really valuable.

[0:33:53] Voice 4: We've heard a lot of commentary from all sides

[0:33:56] Voice 4: that referred to two ABCs twice.

[0:34:00] Voice 4: And we've heard from your staff and the public.

[0:34:06] Voice 4: And so I know that trustee elect Susan Yates and I would like to get on with the work of the OCP review and with bringing our official communities up to speed with the current context of the community and what we're struggling with today.

[0:34:22] Voice 4: so i think this if you pass this it would support that because it would give us the

[0:34:27] Voice 4: reunion so we don't have to keep debating it and we can move forward into proactive

[0:34:35] Voice 4: community-wide planning that reflects the need for community so yeah i encourage you to we've

[0:34:41] Voice 4: had lots of commentary and i'm going to add to that um super appreciate it if you could take

[0:34:46] Voice 4: action on this uh item today and again thank you so much thank you very much

[0:34:54] Trustee Langereis: anyone else wish to

[0:34:56] Trustee Langereis: speak on this or any other issue that we have on our agenda we have received i'm going to say

[0:35:03] Trustee Langereis: four maybe five pieces of correspondence on that issue and i i've certainly read them and i knowing

[0:35:08] Trustee Langereis: my co-trustees they will have read them as well um so uh anybody else here today wish to speak

[0:35:15] Trustee Langereis: yes sir go ahead i'll

[0:35:17] Voice 8: try to be concise my name is patrick um what mike said about having

[0:35:23] Voice 8: the people who are living in what has been referred to as substandard um alternate

[0:35:33] Voice 8: non-compliant illegal dwellings um they they draw attention to a significant class issue in that the

[0:35:50] Voice 2: people who are um benefiting

[0:35:54] Voice 8: and pushing for certain kinds of institutional housing or

[0:35:59] Voice 8: things like that in

[0:36:04] Voice 2: many cases have never experienced the kind of insecurity that it's

[0:36:11] Voice 8: caused by living in your car at the end of the case for example young woman who's been living

[0:36:16] Voice 8: there for a month you know it you know the people that own the property i mean are they in

[0:36:25] Voice 8: communication with her do they know about the drug deals that go on around her it's not a safe

[0:36:30] Voice 8: environment but it's maybe more safe than some of the other substandard non-compliant illegal

[0:36:35] Voice 8: situations and people in that situation don't often have efficacy to speak to the elites

[0:36:43] Voice 8: who have high levels of education who have high levels of power in the society

[0:36:52] Voice 8: like we're talking about the elite we're in the one percentage and

[0:36:57] Voice 2: uh those people are not

[0:37:02] Voice 2: trustee elliott of course we know the author of the

[0:37:06] Voice 8: words until there's no longer first class

[0:37:10] Voice 8: and second class citizens of any nation so the quality of making the decisions for the people

[0:37:20] Voice 8: who are in the lesser classes uh what can we learn from salisbury i mean they've built some

[0:37:25] Voice 8: institutional housing we've looked at this bylaw i mean it's still illegal if you suspend the bylaw

[0:37:30] Voice 8: it's still illegal to live in this situation so if you want to examine the issue we have to know

[0:37:44] Voice 8: how many people are living in tents under jars in cars in vans in trailers without running water

[0:37:55] Voice 8: and they have to have a voice where it's safe safe for them because i'm quoting you here sir

[0:38:01] Voice 8: safe for them to speak because it hasn't been i can speak to that and uh you know you said

[0:38:10] Voice 8: that you sent a letter out into the universe of the trust and i mean it may get lost you

[0:38:14] Voice 8: don't know it's not and you may not have the language to speak to you people i mean i say

[0:38:22] you people with

[0:38:22] Voice 8: all due respect i mean i know that you've all been working really hard this

[0:38:26] Voice 8: four years of this contentious things going on and i want to thank you tenacity and your intelligence

[0:38:34] Voice 8: to leave the people wouldn't get as good um you know i hope you're i hope you can maintain your

[0:38:40] Voice 8: health away from this it must have been a real slog and thank you for working on it um but

[0:38:46] Voice 8: there are a lot of people that really especially right now i mean if you can never dry your socks

[0:38:51] Voice 8: You

[0:38:51] Voice 2: get

[0:38:52] Voice 8: bungled, there are so many consequences to the whole housing insecurity.

[0:39:00] Voice 8: If you've never experienced them, I mean, you're very fortunate.

[0:39:04] Voice 8: But there are some people who are living in really, really difficult circumstances.

[0:39:10] Voice 8: This biocultural engineering that we're all playing with here, with all the reports and the forms and everything, it's life and death.

[0:39:16] Voice 8: It's life and death for trees, it's life and death for ecosystems, and it's life and death for people.

[0:39:21] Voice 8: and you people have a great responsibility and i know you take it very seriously but there are a

[0:39:29] Voice 8: lot of people that do not have a voice in this community and they're really heading they're

[0:39:33] Voice 8: heading into winter it's getting damp and cold and they're hungry and wet and they're insecure

[0:39:39] Voice 8: and they're and they face all kinds of abuse from all kinds of people anonymously because they have

[0:39:45] Voice 8: no advocacy thank you very much for bringing that up because that's an excellent point that's

[0:39:51] Voice 8: something we need to be an advocacy for the people and we need to look at salt springs experience

[0:39:57] Voice 8: because there are 15 years ahead of us as as they're uh or 15 or 20 years in development

[0:40:02] Voice 8: and you have their have they solved their housing crisis by the standards uh you know you all are

[0:40:09] Voice 8: experts in this so maybe you can speak to that later in the process thank you very much for your

[0:40:14] Voice 8: work thank you for allowing me to talk for a moment and uh thanks for trying to uh sort of

[0:40:20] Trustee Langereis: and if i might just say one thing uh thank you for your commentary and i think it's well taken

[0:40:26] Trustee Langereis: i will say that letters of trust don't end up in the ether they end up in our hands so

[0:40:33] Trustee Langereis: uh i just don't want anybody to believe writing to us as a as a futile exercise because we certainly

[0:40:40] Trustee Langereis: you may not like you always like the outcome but we always read it and so thank you for that though

[0:40:45] Trustee Langereis: um sure

[0:40:48] Voice 10: early in the term um we did some work with the community social worker and people for

[0:40:53] Voice 10: health community because we wanted to get an idea of how many people would be angela

[0:40:57] Voice 10: yeah it's the community social worker and phc so working with

[0:41:02] Voice 10: organizations that

[0:41:03] Voice 10: offer direct service to people who are unhoused critically housed yeah so um we keep the numbers

[0:41:11] Voice 10: that we had then this was 2018 2019 it was 65 individuals and that doesn't count

[0:41:22] Voice 10: critically unhoused so that would be from homeless to

[0:41:25] Voice 10: um not having sufficient services so

[0:41:29] Voice 10: unsafe housing so that number was 65 then um a lot of times four years ago two to three years

[0:41:36] Voice 10: ago a lot has happened before the pandemic

[0:41:39] Voice 10: and i would encourage the incoming trustees of them on

[0:41:42] Voice 10: all islands to come to grips with this and deal with it because it's been sort of unofficial and

[0:41:49] Voice 10: even that number is leveled in and i'm sure it's a level

[0:41:52] Voice 8: compared to what it is now

[0:41:53] Voice 8: so the current

[0:41:54] Voice 8: bylaws allow some really inhumane circumstances and they allow it to be perpetuated so something

[0:42:07] Voice 8: something has to change, but with any, if any way of advancing compassion knows that

[0:42:12] Voice 10: this has to change.

[0:42:13] Voice 10: And in attempting to do some of the work, we've reached out to some of those individuals to make sure those voices are included in the process.

[0:42:20] Voice 10: That is not an easy thing when you're doing community engagement. It's easy to lose those voices.

[0:42:26] Voice 10: It's important that you go out and talk to them if they're willing, because a lot of people have been involved in the process and not seen change.

[0:42:32] Voice 10: and that that well

[0:42:34] Voice 8: the people who

[0:42:34] Voice 10: make these decisions are

[0:42:36] Voice 8: in a separate class of people who

[0:42:38] Voice 8: are affected by it that's my that's my immediate situation okay so

[0:42:46] Trustee Langereis: thank you points well made

[0:42:49] Voice 11: uh anyone else trust me well you had your hand up yeah

[0:42:54] Voice 5: i did yeah i did i thought you wanted to

[0:42:56] Voice 5: talk to this i did i just wanted to mention the the standing resolution the proposed one though

[0:43:01] Voice 5: it doesn't take someone out of the tent necessarily all it's doing is just saying

[0:43:07] Voice 5: temporarily not enforcing the bylaw so it doesn't change their living circumstances

[0:43:13] Voice 5: that requires

[0:43:14] Voice 5: work you know potential trust and there's nothing preventing the trust committee

[0:43:19] Voice 5: from starting a small project locally to try and deal with it

[0:43:30] Trustee Langereis: they passed a standing resolution as that's similar to the one that we have

[0:43:34] Trustee Langereis: as did north pender and we've had some commentary about this scope with the problem on north south

[0:43:40] Trustee Langereis: salt spring as opposed to geigerola and north pender but clearly these issues of housing it's

[0:43:46] Trustee Langereis: one of the reasons sorry i should take my mask off it's one of the reasons the trust council

[0:43:50] Trustee Langereis: has recently as the last six months and thanks to the good work of trustee Colburn amongst others

[0:43:59] Trustee Langereis: has passed a resolution about a housing emergency and has urged the province to

[0:44:04] Trustee Langereis: to do something specific related to this region because we know it's a multi-faceted solution

[0:44:09] Trustee Langereis: as we walk look around the trust different solutions are emerging some of the building

[0:44:16] Trustee Langereis: housing uh affordable housing projects that we we see it here and other elsewhere well

[0:44:22] Trustee Langereis: i i

[0:44:23] Voice 8: say that affordable for people yes enough money to afford it

[0:44:27] Trustee Langereis: yeah yes i understand your

[0:44:29] Trustee Langereis: point sir i

[0:44:30] Trustee Langereis: don't want to have a debate with

[0:44:31] Voice 8: you i know this

[0:44:32] Trustee Langereis: is not a that's not a forum for a

[0:44:34] Trustee Langereis: debate i'm just explaining i understand your point that's why i put affordable input yes

[0:44:39] Trustee Langereis: um because there's been lots of commentary that it's not it's not affordable okay thank you sir

[0:44:45] Trustee Langereis: uh and i agree it's not social housing and it's which is a different concept so anyway there's a

[0:44:52] Trustee Langereis: number of different things that are going on we're looking at different things on for example on main

[0:44:56] Trustee Langereis: island what we call distributive housing projects but there's a big problem here and we recognize

[0:45:01] Trustee Langereis: there's a big problem that's evolved over the last 20 30 years in the way that the islands have

[0:45:05] Trustee Langereis: developed and uh so thank you thank you for your commentary i think it's well taken we have limit

[0:45:12] Trustee Langereis: it we are a land use planning organization we're not a housing organization and we we do what we're

[0:45:17] Trustee Langereis: trying to do what we can but we'll thank you for your comments are there others that wish to um

[0:45:24] Trustee Langereis: comment on this and our residents they propose standing resolution or anything else that's on

[0:45:29] Trustee Langereis: our agenda not seeing anyone which is perhaps your last opportunity to talk to us as a trust

[0:45:39] Trustee Langereis: local trust committee but that's okay thanks very much uh sorry did i see a hand

[0:45:45] Voice 7: i just like to

[0:45:47] Voice 7: advocate to the incoming trust committee wear funny hats um going forward this is the last

[0:45:52] Voice 7: chance i thought i'd report something observed sorry

[0:45:56] Voice 1: sorry

[0:45:57] Voice 7: less chance of which there's less

[0:46:01] Voice 7: chance to address the this this this trust committee so i'm leaving you on a note of

[0:46:07] Voice 7: absurdism okay thank

[0:46:08] Trustee Langereis: you very much i appreciate it um some might say i occupy that space a lot so

[0:46:20] Trustee Langereis: don't you laugh

[0:46:23] Trustee Langereis: okay thank you very much for those thoughtful comments and uh we'll we'll be getting to that

[0:46:29] Trustee Langereis: that issue when we get to uh item whatever it is uh 7.1 on the agenda as well as the two

[0:46:38] Trustee Langereis: apc staff um sort of apc reports that go along with the early one so the next item on the agenda

[0:46:44] Trustee Langereis: then are the minutes and the first item on the agenda are the um uh the local trust committee

[0:46:52] Trustee Langereis: many minutes from july which were deferred till now and i recall there was a discussion about

[0:46:59] Trustee Langereis: some of the language that was used in those minutes and we decided to defer and i think

[0:47:04] Trustee Langereis: trustee langer as you were going to uh examine the language and figure out where or am i wrong

[0:47:10] Trustee Langereis: if i'm wrong i don't want to put you in the spot but um no

[0:47:13] Voice 5: there was let me just find the document

[0:47:15] Voice 5: it here yeah well i i mentioned the last meeting i've been there for the july meeting under 4.1

[0:47:24] Voice 5: the second bullet makes reference to for every burial site and that should say for a green

[0:47:30] Voice 5: burials i think we i

[0:47:34] Voice 5: think we all agreed to that yeah and then uh the other one that i noticed

[0:47:39] Voice 5: list after that is on section 8.1 that's under a development variance permit 2022.2 it says a

[0:47:52] Voice 5: trustee questioned that the structure is driving two density zones could possibly complicate a

[0:47:56] Voice 5: future subdivision it's not exactly i listened back to the meeting not exactly what i asked

[0:48:01] Voice 5: what i said was probably a better wording to be that the trustee asked whether a structure

[0:48:09] Voice 5: structure straddling two zones could pop two zones on a split zone lot could possibly complicate

[0:48:16] Voice 5: a future subdivision or prevent another density on the lots that was really the intent it was

[0:48:22] Voice 5: really just more of a note to the owners that this the dwelling actually crossing over the

[0:48:33] Voice 5: board into two zones on that lot and we have a rule which says that if there's a split zone

[0:48:38] Voice 5: lot there's a density of each lot now when there's a house actually on both sides of the line does

[0:48:45] Voice 5: that impact their ability to have a density on the other one so that was pretty what i was trying to

[0:48:50] Voice 5: get i was just i wrote to them to be aware of that i think that would be a better way of creating

[0:48:58] Voice 5: out of two densities going so much to these and i think that was it for the july one yeah for the

[0:49:08] Voice 5: july one yeah and

[0:49:10] Trustee Langereis: did you get both of those uh recording okay uh trustee pulver are you okay

[0:49:17] Trustee Langereis: with the minutes those change suggested amendments and then uh i'm going to suggest with that

[0:49:22] Trustee Langereis: amendment that the minutes of july 28 2022 be adopted as amended okay so we'll take those thank

[0:49:29] Trustee Langereis: you with consent of the of the trustees uh then we have the minutes of september the 29th for

[0:49:36] Trustee Langereis: adoption uh do either trustees

[0:49:39] Trustee Langereis: have any questions or commentary related to those minutes

[0:49:43] Trustee Langereis: you do i do not you do not trustee and uh you know

[0:49:47] Voice 5: other than um it's actually it came up

[0:49:51] Voice 5: for the july meeting as well there's a policy around correspondence that we receive and

[0:49:57] Voice 5: getting on the agenda we've had eight pieces of correspondence on the um deferment

[0:50:06] Voice 5: total of eight oh

[0:50:07] Trustee Langereis: some before and something for

[0:50:09] Voice 5: some earlier in the last month and some

[0:50:12] Voice 5: very recently and my question is when this when these get on to the agenda like i always thought

[0:50:20] Voice 5: that some from earlier after the uh would be on this agenda but it's not so no correspondence

[0:50:26] Voice 10: and

[0:50:27] Voice 5: i checked the policy the policy says that it should be added if it's a project goes on

[0:50:32] Voice 5: on the project site but if it's just general correspondence should go on the next agenda

[0:50:37] Voice 5: and the determining factor is if it's two trustees or more whoever the first trustee is

[0:50:44] Voice 5: should forward it on to staff for inclusion so that's what the policy thing is yeah it just

[0:50:51] Voice 5: seems to have fallen off the table because there are and now eight run today uh eight or nine

[0:50:56] Voice 5: pieces of correspondence and that and that's to the three of us and that influences how we think

[0:51:01] Voice 5: and you know the public needs to know what we all the information we get from all sources not just

[0:51:07] Voice 5: in the public venue so i

[0:51:09] Trustee Langereis: i totally agree with you i i don't know if the planner wishes

[0:51:12] Trustee Langereis: to speak to

[0:51:13] Trustee Langereis: the the correspondence policy yes i'm saying not so

[0:51:17] Voice 4: as of this morning the legislative board

[0:51:20] Voice 4: sent you an update with the agenda package that includes all the correspondence received including

[0:51:24] Voice 4: not until this morning

[0:51:25] Voice 5: was that right so

[0:51:26] Voice 4: that entire package is available for you she notified

[0:51:31] Voice 4: you by email but that's been done i mean it's a lot of extra work at the last minute of the meeting

[0:51:35] Voice 4: to even update the electronic agenda package to reflect the correspondence that came in last night

[0:51:40] Voice 4: but yeah we are trying to populate those agendas with the appropriate correspondence pieces but

[0:51:46] Voice 4: you're correct but likely some have been slipped through the cracks yeah yeah

[0:51:50] Voice 5: and and to be part

[0:51:51] Voice 5: of the two is that of the nine pieces of correspondence today two were in favor and seven

[0:51:58] Voice 5: were against and they gave a variety of reasons why they were engaged and a lot of people don't

[0:52:03] Voice 5: know what we have heard wherever that is today

[0:52:08] Voice 8: this process at all so

[0:52:12] Trustee Langereis: sir i i i appreciate

[0:52:14] Trustee Langereis: perhaps you haven't been here before but as we're working through our agenda um i i would at the

[0:52:20] Trustee Langereis: very least i'd ask you to put your hand up so that i can consider whether to ask you to speak okay

[0:52:24] Trustee Langereis: thank you thanks

[0:52:25] Trustee Langereis: very much

[0:52:26] Voice 8: but

[0:52:27] Trustee Langereis: it's a good question um it's a very good question and the

[0:52:31] Trustee Langereis: answer is yeah it'll be part of our our considerations all of the correspondence

[0:52:36] Trustee Langereis: uh and i think the point from trustee langrass is well taken we've had some issues in the past

[0:52:41] Trustee Langereis: with correspondence not making it onto the agenda in a ways that and it's not it's not restricted

[0:52:46] Trustee Langereis: it to hear by the way i see it all across the trust and it's mostly because the volume of

[0:52:51] Trustee Langereis: correspondence often gets overwhelming uh on some issues um i agree with trustee language

[0:52:58] Trustee Langereis: the policy should be as correspondence comes in it should be put onto the agenda for at least for

[0:53:04] Trustee Langereis: the next agenda if it comes in too late for the current agenda um i i think just that it sometimes

[0:53:11] Trustee Langereis: times gets missed. So it's part of our consideration. And I think Trustee Langer, at least my view is

[0:53:16] Trustee Langereis: Trustee Langer has points well taken. Community should know what it is we're considering. That's

[0:53:21] Trustee Langereis: the whole point of making it public is, is that we're supposed to be transparent on what it is

[0:53:28] Trustee Langereis: we're considering as we go forward. We're supposed to, if we're going to make a decision about

[0:53:32] Trustee Langereis: something, the community should know what it all that we're taking in, which is why if you write

[0:53:40] Trustee Langereis: to more than two of us um if you write to two or more of us it becomes corresponds to the local

[0:53:46] Trustee Langereis: trust committee if you talk to trustee land grace he doesn't have to necessarily share it with us

[0:53:51] Trustee Langereis: though he'd care uh yes sir but yes go ahead so so

[0:53:55] Voice 8: just to clarify there's some letters that you

[0:54:00] Voice 8: have read but they're not going to be part of this process yes

[0:54:04] Trustee Langereis: they are part of the process

[0:54:05] Trustee Langereis: as they

[0:54:05] Voice 8: just you haven't

[0:54:07] Trustee Langereis: seen them because they well they are now part of the package they came

[0:54:11] Trustee Langereis: in late one came in this morning but you've read one one came last night yes we've read

[0:54:17] Voice 8: well i'm

[0:54:19] Trustee Langereis: not going to read them out to you but i'm going to we're going to i can tell you that

[0:54:25] Trustee Langereis: we've had some correspondence that has indicated opposition to the standing resolution uh for a

[0:54:31] Trustee Langereis: variety of reasons which we'll probably talk about it's not unusual for us to get for example

[0:54:37] Trustee Langereis: commentary during town hall from people uh that somebody else that's not here today wouldn't see

[0:54:43] Trustee Langereis: until we hear it we get correspondence all the time often it's late because they see the package

[0:54:49] Trustee Langereis: and then they respond and write to us there's three or four that follow two or three three

[0:54:54] Trustee Langereis: three the four that fall into that category um and it's just an administrative reality that it can't

[0:55:02] Trustee Langereis: all make it into the package in time for the rest of the community to see it um that's just the

[0:55:09] Trustee Langereis: reality uh how do we do that okay so um okay i'm getting emails from my co-trustees um anyway uh

[0:55:22] Trustee Langereis: uh we we i think we've adopted is there anything related to the minutes of september the 29th that

[0:55:27] Trustee Langereis: we need to you're right i don't know if you want to do anything other than to remind staff

[0:55:33] Trustee Langereis: that previous correspondence should be included in the in the package either attached to a project

[0:55:39] Trustee Langereis: see the problem is well it's it's not a problem the issue is if it's attached to an application

[0:55:46] Trustee Langereis: it gets put under the application on the website if it's attached to a project it gets put under

[0:55:51] Trustee Langereis: the project as on the website if it's a generic thing that there's nothing specific related to it

[0:55:57] Trustee Langereis: there's nowhere for it to go on the website so it should be attached to a project that's sort

[0:56:02] Trustee Langereis: of to an agenda as correspondence it's like the correspondence we got from telus um should be on

[0:56:07] Trustee Langereis: the agenda and uh if it the fact that it wasn't is is an oversight it's there now okay uh anything

[0:56:16] Trustee Langereis: Anything else from the agenda that you'd like to raise, Trustee O'Hare?

[0:56:21] Voice 5: Not the minutes themselves.

[0:56:28] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so then I'll take the minutes adopted as presented.

[0:56:31] Trustee Langereis: Thanks very much.

[0:56:32] Trustee Langereis: There are no standing resolutions.

[0:56:34] Trustee Langereis: We have two draft minutes, and I say they're draft from the APC and the Housing Advisory Planning Commission because they have not been adopted by those two bodies yet.

[0:56:46] Trustee Langereis: we don't adopt their minutes they drop their minutes but we have them in front of us because

[0:56:51] Trustee Langereis: we have uh coming up our uh uh in in about three minutes the item that they are uh have addressed

[0:56:59] Trustee Langereis: so can i just assume we can discuss it when we get to those we'll just receive those and we'll

[0:57:03] Trustee Langereis: discuss it when we get to that item the next thing on the agenda then is the follow-up action list

[0:57:09] Trustee Langereis: and um is there anything that either of you would like to flag related to the follow-up action list

[0:57:15] Trustee Langereis: or ask the planner no trustee colbert no just the address no uh then and planners if there's

[0:57:24] Trustee Langereis: anything you want to flag first then we'll just take that information and the next

[0:57:28] Trustee Langereis: item on the

[0:57:29] Trustee Langereis: agenda is the draft standing resolution of enforcement uh of non-compliant dwellings

[0:57:34] Trustee Langereis: for discussion we have the two uh reports we have um manager dingman here with us uh and so how are

[0:57:42] Voice 5: we on a different agenda 7

[0:57:44] Trustee Langereis: .12 aren't we did i miss

[0:57:46] Voice 5: one i've got 7.1 7.3 am i on the wrong document

[0:57:50] Voice 5: please

[0:57:51] Voice 4: sorry the agenda for

[0:57:55] Trustee Langereis: the agenda okay i have a complete one that i printed off yesterday

[0:57:59] Trustee Langereis: yeah

[0:58:00] Voice 4: it's been updated but if you seven

[0:58:02] Trustee Langereis: seven point two is draft standing resolution on

[0:58:05] Trustee Langereis: enforcement of non-compliant dwellings for discussion do you not have that on your agenda

[0:58:12] Voice 5: no i've got i've got the uh the

[0:58:15] Trustee Langereis: original one the original one

[0:58:17] Voice 2: you

[0:58:19] Trustee Langereis: open up your web

[0:58:20] Trustee Langereis: app you'll find an updated one yeah

[0:58:22] Voice 2: and

[0:58:25] Trustee Langereis: you want to speak i

[0:58:26] Voice 2: want to but

[0:58:27] Trustee Langereis: let's let's let

[0:58:28] Trustee Langereis: trustee line right get to the correct agenda and so that he can pay attention to what it is

[0:58:33] Trustee Langereis: and we're on page um there's no materials attached there's just i

[0:58:42] Voice 5: saw one addendum which is six

[0:58:44] Voice 5: one six two and eight one that

[0:58:48] Voice 2: was sent out if you go into web dev this morning this was an

[0:59:05] Voice 2: iterative agenda package yeah there's too many versions so they're not currently

[0:59:15] Voice 2: i just

[0:59:48] Trustee Langereis: opened the package that got sent this morning that got uploaded this morning

[0:59:53] Voice 4: no

[0:59:54] Trustee Langereis: it's not an email you were in the right place it's on web dev it's not an attachment

[1:00:00] Trustee Langereis: the web down and open up the one that was fought that was up delayed this morning

[1:00:07] Voice 2: the 26th no that'll take you to the 29th you

[1:00:18] Voice 11: should be able to go to the second page and see

[1:00:20] Voice 11: 7.2 on the agenda i can't see that

[1:00:23] Voice 11: second page 7

[1:00:25] Voice 5: .2 okay there's no

[1:00:32] Trustee Langereis: materials attached to it

[1:00:33] Trustee Langereis: uh i don't know okay i

[1:00:36] Voice 5: hope to see 7.2 in this one either now if you open up the 26 document

[1:00:40] Voice 10: that's actually the reverse

[1:00:41] Voice 5: this is the one that i uploaded today it doesn't have 7.2 on it yeah

[1:00:46] Voice 10: it's the agenda revised the file the file date is 10 24. oh it's on

[1:00:52] Voice 10: i went to the 26th yeah no

[1:00:55] Voice 10: that's that that's the revision of the 29th um so the revised rm agd revised pdf first

[1:01:16] Voice 5: rm draft rm agenda yeah agenda revised

[1:01:21] Voice 2: agenda revised what page is it on i don't can't get

[1:01:34] Voice 2: the side bar yeah

[1:01:38] Voice 5: the second page first item is 7.2 outstanding yeah i'm not getting the

[1:01:42] Voice 5: uh side thing uh showing that it's

[1:01:45] Trustee Langereis: because there's no materials attached to it it's just on the

[1:01:48] Trustee Langereis: agenda as a knight if you just go to the very top to the agenda to the agenda cover well

[1:01:57] Voice 5: there is no

[1:01:57] Voice 5: agenda covered for this document no

[1:02:01] Voice 2: i'm in the minutes i'm actually i'm not watching it again

[1:02:08] Voice 5: so it's uploaded on the 21st no this

[1:02:13] Voice 12: is on where it's uploaded on the 24th

[1:02:16] Voice 12: the 24th 21st with minutes okay the 24th is the agenda package revised this

[1:02:33] Voice 5: is 105 pages

[1:02:34] Voice 5: it's about six one six two and eight one you

[1:02:36] Trustee Langereis: know it's 142 pages

[1:02:38] Voice 5: oh that's i'll

[1:02:41] Voice 2: take a recess and

[1:02:42] Voice 2: just look at this one here like that yes so

[1:03:07] Trustee Langereis: you just don't there is there is no seven there's

[1:03:10] Trustee Langereis: no materials that's this only has if there's materials just look at the cover page go down

[1:03:16] Trustee Langereis: page 7.2 draft strategic standing resolution other

[1:03:24] Voice 2: than

[1:03:29] Trustee Langereis: the minutes from the and the email

[1:03:31] Voice 10: but i just said okay all right okay i thought there was something no

[1:03:36] Trustee Langereis: there are no materials

[1:03:38] Trustee Langereis: which i guess is is a um so we have this here and i know trustee colbert you wish to speak

[1:03:46] Trustee Langereis: before we do that uh planners you wish to introduce this matter or do you wish to say

[1:03:51] Trustee Langereis: anything to start us off

[1:03:52] Voice 4: yes i know it's

[1:03:55] Trustee Langereis: right there but he

[1:03:57] Trustee Langereis: wasn't present at the two um uh

[1:04:00] Trustee Langereis: uh, APC meetings, uh, et cetera, or

[1:04:02] Voice 4: by the minute the been reviewed.

[1:04:05] Voice 4: Okay. Trustee Coleman.

[1:04:08] Voice 10: Okay. So, um,

[1:04:12] Voice 10: I have reviewed the correspondence.

[1:04:15] Voice 10: I've reviewed the minutes from the advisory planning commission and the

[1:04:18] Voice 10: housing advising planning commission. And, um,

[1:04:21] Voice 10: and I waited until the conclusion of the town hall, uh, and took some notes.

[1:04:25] Voice 10: So I have provided to the chair and my fellow trustee and to staff and the recorder, a revised standing resolution.

[1:04:38] Voice 10: It takes into account the APC recommendations and the housing advisory plan tuition recommendations and some of the concerns raised by the letterhead.

[1:04:49] Voice 10: So I'm going to move this. I'm going to read it very slowly, but I have provided it to the recorder.

[1:04:55] Voice 10: um i understand for people in the audience this is a difficult thing because we're reading it and

[1:05:01] Voice 10: not able to see it but it has a few changes from what um was provided so a given the lack of housing

[1:05:10] Voice 10: options on gabriel bylaw staff will defer enforcement on all existing non-compliant

[1:05:16] Voice 10: dwellings being used for residential purposes except in the following circumstances one it

[1:05:22] Voice 10: is determined that there are risks to health and safety two it is determined that sewage is not

[1:05:28] Voice 10: being disposed of in an approved septic or sewage disposal system or that septic or sewage disposal

[1:05:33] Voice 10: systems are being used in excessive capacity or ability as a result of non-compliant dwellings

[1:05:40] Voice 10: three it is determined that there is contamination of wells or other drinking water sources

[1:05:45] Voice 10: four non-permitted residential uses are in environmentally sensitive areas

[1:05:49] Voice 10: 5. That the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee may give direction to resume enforcement activities on any property that poses risks to the health and safety of residents.

[1:06:01] Voice 10: B. Nothing in this enforcement policy should be interpreted as giving permission to violate the Land Use By-law on Gabriel Island Trust Committee may change this policy at any time and may give direction to expand enforcement activities at any time.

[1:06:15] Voice 10: see that gabriel and local trust committee will review this standing resolution at a minimum of

[1:06:20] Voice 10: once per year with updates from the bylaws compliance enforcement manager to measure

[1:06:25] Voice 10: results and impacts so that again is a it takes i'm sorry i'll i'll move that as a motion i have

[1:06:37] Voice 10: a question for

[1:06:39] Voice 5: the chair yeah i have put forward an alternate i see that well and so this what i

[1:06:47] Voice 5: would like to do is i don't just program table let myself put forward my motion and then we can

[1:06:54] Voice 5: discuss both um it's

[1:07:00] Trustee Langereis: a good procedural question we can always table a motion uh is that if you

[1:07:06] Trustee Langereis: seconded before this table that's a good question i don't know the answer to that question do you

[1:07:09] Trustee Langereis: know by any chance uh we had

[1:07:15] Voice 4: a lengthy discussion about the tabling i don't think you need to table

[1:07:19] Voice 4: it if it's just if it's not been um

[1:07:24] Trustee Langereis: well you do if there's a motion on the table the the discussion

[1:07:29] Trustee Langereis: should be restricted to the motion that's been moved and seconded unless it's specifically

[1:07:33] Trustee Langereis: table or deferred until time till to a time certain so we could second it and then defer it

[1:07:41] Trustee Langereis: until with the second motion is on the table and can we have two motions on the table at the same

[1:07:46] Trustee Langereis: time i think we can uh and i'm hoping i'm correct about that uh but i believe once we defer a motion

[1:07:55] Trustee Langereis: the floor is open again for a second motion which

[1:07:57] Voice 4: is not table and it's not the question

[1:07:59] Voice 4: okay

[1:07:59] Trustee Langereis: then then yes so are you okay with that process yeah i haven't seen the filter it's in

[1:08:07] Trustee Langereis: the email both of you sent just sent me emails of the proposed motions that i hadn't seen until

[1:08:13] Trustee Langereis: until 10 minutes ago uh

[1:08:15] Voice 10: yeah

[1:08:18] Trustee Langereis: i did uh you're

[1:08:22] Voice 10: copied is it my trust email or is it okay

[1:08:26] Voice 10: it's

[1:08:27] Trustee Langereis: uh no you said you

[1:08:32] Trustee Langereis: sent it to his gmail account

[1:08:34] Trustee Langereis: okay

[1:08:34] Voice 2: so

[1:08:38] Trustee Langereis: so okay so this is going to take a moment so here's what we're going to so if

[1:08:42] Trustee Langereis: everybody's okay with this process we have the motion from from trustee colburn that is

[1:08:48] Trustee Langereis: a modification of the recommendation from the is it the apc or the htpc okay but one of them gave

[1:08:56] Trustee Langereis: us a full motion and i i don't remember which one it

[1:08:59] Voice 10: was the hapc okay and i took the recommendation

[1:09:01] Voice 10: from the motion that was carried okay

[1:09:02] Trustee Langereis: so it's a it's a a modification of that it's been moved

[1:09:09] Trustee Langereis: moved are you i want to make sure that both trustees are okay with the process that has

[1:09:14] Trustee Langereis: been suggested by trustee langerice that i'm okay with that we've seconded we then defer it we let

[1:09:22] Trustee Langereis: trustee langerize put his motion on the table and we discuss and then and we do the same thing and

[1:09:29] Trustee Langereis: then we discuss them as as two concepts i haven't had a chance to read trustee langerizes yet um but

[1:09:37] Trustee Langereis: if you're not i don't want to make sure everybody's okay with that process as we try and

[1:09:40] Trustee Langereis: work our way forward and then i think what we can do is um i i guess we don't under untable we

[1:09:53] Trustee Langereis: so the the motion would be to postpone the the motion from trustee colburn until the trustee

[1:10:02] Trustee Langereis: langreis's motion is on the table for discussion as well are you okay with that or is that is that

[1:10:08] Trustee Langereis: a process that you're not acceptable because otherwise we'd have to we'd have to work our

[1:10:14] Trustee Langereis: way through the process in a bit more awkward way i'm fine

[1:10:19] Voice 10: with this process i'm just reading it

[1:10:20] Voice 10: for the first time

[1:10:21] Trustee Langereis: okay okay so let's get

[1:10:24] Trustee Langereis: them both on the table is that that's your suggestion

[1:10:29] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:10:30] Trustee Langereis: and I have a discussion about both

[1:10:31] Trustee Langereis: so let me do this then let me second trustee

[1:10:36] Trustee Langereis: Colburn's motion, and then move to postpone it until trustee Langer as his motions on

[1:10:42] Trustee Langereis: the table.

[1:10:43] Trustee Langereis: Are you in someone second my motion to postpone a second okay so we're going to call the vote

[1:10:49] Trustee Langereis: on that book to postpone.

[1:10:51] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so that possible.

[1:10:52] Trustee Langereis: So there we are.

[1:10:53] Trustee Langereis: So trustee like rice with you have your emotion.

[1:10:56] Trustee Langereis: now yes and i

[1:10:57] Voice 2: maybe you could it was attached

[1:11:14] Voice 12: to your it was attached to your incentive

[1:11:16] Voice 2: this morning

[1:11:18] Voice 12: i've got it in front of me

[1:11:19] Voice 2: why am i not seeing it in my sense

[1:11:31] Voice 5: okay this is a pleasant motion i move that the local trust committee formally consult

[1:11:37] Voice 5: the community on the intent and wording of the following draft standing resolution

[1:11:41] Voice 5: including consideration of any sunset clause to the resolution.

[1:11:46] Voice 5: And this is the resolution.

[1:11:48] Voice 5: That, subject to Section 2, bylaw enforcement staff defer enforcement on the unlawful residential use of a building on a lot if,

[1:11:56] Voice 5: on the date the resolution is adopted,

[1:11:59] Voice 5: A, the building is occupied as a residence, and B, enforcement would cause undue hardship to the occupants of the building.

[1:12:07] Voice 5: Second, that by law enforcement staff, this is section two, that by law enforcement staff

[1:12:12] Voice 5: undertake enforcement action on unlawful residential use of a building if A, there is more than

[1:12:18] Voice 5: one unlawful residential use on the lot or B, enforcement staff reasonably determine

[1:12:25] Voice 5: there is a risk of danger to the health and safety of the occupants, that sewage is not

[1:12:31] Voice 5: being disposed of in an improved septic or sewage disposal system, three, that the use

[1:12:36] Voice 5: to the septic or sewage disposal system connected to the building exceeds the sewage systems

[1:12:41] Voice 5: capacity or for there is sewage contamination of wells streamed to other nearby waterways

[1:12:50] Voice 5: and then that this standing resolution does not override enforcement for contravention of other

[1:12:57] Voice 5: provisions of the land use bylaws and last that the local trust committee periodically

[1:13:01] Voice 5: requests statistics from enforcement staff on the number of complaints and the deferrals to

[1:13:06] Voice 5: has to obtain the effectiveness of the bible enforcement deferral

[1:13:10] Trustee Langereis: so i i need to be i need

[1:13:15] Trustee Langereis: before we ask for a second i need clarification on two things yeah one

[1:13:19] Trustee Langereis: is this is actually not

[1:13:21] Trustee Langereis: a motion you're making today you're asking you're making the motion to take this standing resolution

[1:13:26] Trustee Langereis: out to the community yeah

[1:13:28] Voice 5: that's what i mentioned at the last thing i thought that was more

[1:13:30] Voice 5: any consultation needed right

[1:13:33] Trustee Langereis: so so it's actually the emotions but the motion is to take this

[1:13:37] Trustee Langereis: this resolution out of the community.

[1:13:39] Trustee Langereis: Second thing is, is what do you mean

[1:13:41] Trustee Langereis: by subject to subsection two?

[1:13:44] Trustee Langereis: Well, I

[1:13:44] Voice 5: forgot the numbering.

[1:13:46] Voice 5: That vital enforcement staff is,

[1:13:48] Voice 5: section one is the first, that subject to section two.

[1:13:52] Voice 5: Section two is that vital enforcement staff.

[1:13:54] Voice 5: So that's the typo.

[1:13:55] Voice 5: And then three would be that the standing resolution

[1:13:58] Voice 5: and four that the local trust committee.

[1:14:01] Voice 5: So the numbering, I missed the numbering.

[1:14:02] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so this motion is

[1:14:04] Trustee Langereis: on the table.

[1:14:05] Trustee Langereis: It's a different concept.

[1:14:09] Trustee Langereis: so uh i think i'm going to open it for discussion um and uh do you want to speak to your motion

[1:14:17] Trustee Langereis: first and then i'll go back to trustee yeah

[1:14:19] Voice 5: i'm quite ready to speak to it what i'm trying to do

[1:14:22] Voice 5: here is provide a little more detail and i looked at the comments from the hapt and apc and they

[1:14:30] Voice 5: made some valid comments about it and one of the key things is that we need to and we need to look

[1:14:37] Voice 5: looking at the potential for a line where there's the same situation occurring that

[1:14:43] Voice 5: we consider a deferment of vital enforcement but you know there's a number of situations

[1:14:50] Voice 5: that we have to consider that this would apply to and i've listed them here uh you know there's

[1:14:56] Voice 5: this you can have a sweep on the principal dwelling on the residential under five acres

[1:15:02] Voice 5: where everything is focused you know they're attached to the sewage system they've got

[1:15:07] Voice 5: out water it's basically a functioning secondary suite on a lot under five acres that's one

[1:15:12] Voice 5: situation then you could have it on that a larger lot which is permitted to have a suite

[1:15:22] Voice 5: but the suite doesn't have a building permit so now there again it's un you know it's a

[1:15:28] Voice 5: non-compliant way we want to call it a residential use because there is no building permit then

[1:15:35] Voice 5: Then you could have a situation with a by-law enforcement reference where there's like five or six suites in a building.

[1:15:43] Voice 5: They develop five or six suites.

[1:15:45] Voice 5: So that's why I put in one of the conditions is that there's only one unlawful residential use occurring on that lot to avoid them to multiplication situations.

[1:15:56] Voice 5: situations uh the other part is that the accessory building right now every residential lot

[1:16:02] Voice 5: and commercial lots are allowed the rest of the dwelling by law 1.2.3 says that you're allowed

[1:16:14] Voice 5: one accessory building with a kitchen and a bathroom ostensibly for home occupation use

[1:16:21] Voice 5: or you know the person has a workshop and they want to have a bathroom but that's that now then

[1:16:26] Voice 5: almost it becomes a suite and so if they use it as a suite it would be potentially within

[1:16:33] Voice 5: falling within the scope of this uh resolution that has probably the potential biggest impact

[1:16:40] Voice 5: of all that i can see and there'd be commercial uh lots as well and masters could do the same

[1:16:47] Voice 5: potentially not that they would but you could then you could have uh

[1:16:54] Voice 5: basically a building on a lot that has has a kitchen bathroom no they can't because i know

[1:17:02] Voice 5: that's already allowed but they have only a kitchen or only a bathroom are we going to

[1:17:06] Voice 5: consider that as a potential for a deferral of enforcement or there's nothing in there it's just

[1:17:13] a shed do we do we want to have it and just

[1:17:16] Voice 5: how how does the enforcement staff feel about

[1:17:20] Voice 5: determining and can you determine the safety of the building the the wiring etc this is some of

[1:17:26] Voice 5: the comments i got from the public around the wiring how do you determine that so my sense is

[1:17:32] Voice 5: if you can look at if you're going to do it at least provide a deferral for something that is

[1:17:39] Voice 5: safe health-wise and so that's sort of part of the reason uh what i've done the next one is

[1:17:46] Voice 5: is um a motor home or a travel trailer with no hookup on a lot no water and no hook up to a

[1:17:55] Voice 5: septic are we you know what's the situation what's the intent does he intend to allow for that to be

[1:18:00] Voice 5: a potential deferral or not um it could also be on the lot that's vacant or it could be on a lot

[1:18:07] Voice 5: where there's a principal drawing and then the travel trailer is there and it's unhooked so

[1:18:13] Voice 5: that's another situation there is the issue of float homes and boats but my understanding from

[1:18:18] Voice 5: the definition and the bylaw of both and a vehicle are not structures that's it's a definition the

[1:18:28] Voice 5: only exception is a vehicle used for a sale of food products in a commercial zone so basically

[1:18:36] Voice 5: a structure doesn't include a float home doesn't include a vehicle that brings the question what

[1:18:42] Voice 5: is the vehicle we don't define that the motor vehicle act defines it and it has a number of

[1:18:48] definitions but basically

[1:18:50] Voice 5: it would appear to be that it is a vehicle with a motor or a trailer

[1:18:59] Voice 5: like we do that's considered the vehicle as well in the motor vehicle act so are we looking at uh

[1:19:06] Voice 5: But I don't believe that these are actually captured by the Herald, I'm not arguing for it, I'm just saying that this is something to be aware of, this is my understanding about the definition, because the structure says it's not a road or a vehicle.

[1:19:21] Voice 5: A structure becomes a building when there's a roof.

[1:19:26] Voice 5: and then a structure becomes a building and a residence when it's designed for it and when it's

[1:19:33] Voice 5: occupied and when it is occupied by one family and there's a kitchen nothing about the bathroom

[1:19:41] Voice 5: so it's i think it's more complicated than that there's a lot of and my understanding is that

[1:19:48] Voice 5: when we do a motion we need to look at the bylaws that are written because it has to apply to the

[1:19:52] Voice 5: bylaw so the terminology we use has to fit in within the bylaw that's the shipping there's

[1:20:02] Voice 5: another factor i mean is that intended we would allow or consider a shipping standard

[1:20:08] Voice 5: again with the with the bathroom put in or not and then there's the other whole question behind

[1:20:18] all this is uh

[1:20:18] Voice 5: the building permit the regional district rule in terms of enforcement

[1:20:24] Voice 5: And do we, another point that was brought up was, do we incur any sort of liability

[1:20:30] Voice 5: by knowing, being advised of a potential situation that may be health and safety, and we just,

[1:20:37] Voice 5: we say, oh, it seems okay, do we incur any liability on that?

[1:20:42] Voice 5: I don't know.

[1:20:43] Voice 5: Those are some of the factors I think we need to look at.

[1:20:47] Voice 5: As far as I'm concerned, I know there's suites around there, they're perfectly fine.

[1:20:52] Voice 5: that's not my concern as much as where does the potential danger where there's a potential

[1:20:58] Voice 5: damage to the environment that's my focus on this and if you provide a blanket you do put a lot of

[1:21:06] Voice 5: pressure on enforcement staff to come up with decisions around this and i'm not sure that's

[1:21:11] Voice 5: that's the best way to go i think that you know something more concrete that you can point to

[1:21:17] Voice 5: it as if they you know it maybe it has the fittings uh it becomes an issue at the building

[1:21:24] Voice 5: for some degree so i

[1:21:27] Trustee Langereis: just i have one can i ask you a question yeah so i i mean i hear you about

[1:21:33] Trustee Langereis: pressure being put on the discretion of the staff yeah doesn't your phrase would cause

[1:21:40] Trustee Langereis: undue hardship do exactly not doesn't that exactly put on the staff the decision as to

[1:21:46] Trustee Langereis: whether or not to shut somebody down would cause undue hardship um that that would seem to me to be

[1:21:53] Trustee Langereis: the the most open-ended of discretionary concepts where this where the manager or the bylaw

[1:21:59] Trustee Langereis: enforcement officer says you know i'm going to do it to him but i'm not going to do it to her

[1:22:05] Trustee Langereis: because i think he can find somewhere else to live um and and she can't uh or alter or vice versa

[1:22:12] Trustee Langereis: that they can't i i grabbed

[1:22:15] Voice 5: this also from the apc or hapc one of the considerations they had

[1:22:19] Voice 5: now i i recognize your point as a valid point it does provide a lot of discretion maybe it

[1:22:25] Voice 5: shouldn't be in there at all because it does it's pretty wide open there what i think the intent

[1:22:31] Voice 5: behind that comment was i'm speculating here is is is that uh the um could be a situation where

[1:22:41] Voice 5: somebody who's just there temporarily they owned a lot they put the trailer on they just want to

[1:22:45] Voice 5: spend some time there and there's no hardship because they can move back to wherever you're

[1:22:50] Voice 5: going because it doesn't say it has to be a renter it just could be an occupant so it could be the

[1:22:55] Voice 5: property owner that puts a trailer on and says i'm going to live there for seven months of the year

[1:23:00] Voice 5: because i want to do that it's my summer cabbage and that cottage or trailer or whatever and i

[1:23:05] Voice 5: don't want to get a permit to do anything like that so i think that was the intent but i'm not

[1:23:10] Voice 5: certain but the

[1:23:11] Trustee Langereis: main focus of your i mean because a lot of things you said i think are addressed in

[1:23:17] Trustee Langereis: trustee colbert's uh motion like environmental health or could be tweaked to do that but the

[1:23:23] Trustee Langereis: main thrust of your of your um of your motion proposed motion is to is to not do anything

[1:23:32] Trustee Langereis: things specific here today but rather uh consult the community on the intent and wording of the

[1:23:41] Trustee Langereis: baltimore draft yeah

[1:23:42] Voice 5: that's that's my intent yeah um and i've seen that in some of the

[1:23:47] Trustee Langereis: conversations the correspondence we got come up this is a big course of conversation amongst the

[1:23:52] Trustee Langereis: community you're talking about suspending something in the lt in the land use bylaw

[1:23:57] Trustee Langereis: or the ocp and we should have a say on what happens here and it shouldn't be the ltc deciding

[1:24:03] Trustee Langereis: on this issue etc etc i've seen that in some of the correspondence now

[1:24:08] Voice 5: the other thing is that

[1:24:09] Voice 5: my understanding and correct me if i'm wrong but when the trust committee is considering something

[1:24:13] Voice 5: like this enforcement staff will hold off on action until a sort of resolve in this circumstance

[1:24:20] Voice 9: stands right now correct so this

[1:24:22] Voice 5: is july

[1:24:23] Voice 9: sorry

[1:24:25] Voice 5: i want

[1:24:26] Trustee Langereis: to i'd like to manage your name and finish

[1:24:29] Trustee Langereis: his response

[1:24:29] Voice 9: so since this was put forward before the local trust committee in july yes any

[1:24:35] Voice 9: enforcement on unlawful dwellings or residential use has been non-existent until the local trust

[1:24:42] Voice 9: committee makes a decision

[1:24:43] Voice 2: okay

[1:24:45] Trustee Langereis: um well that's interesting i mean i know when there's an

[1:24:48] Trustee Langereis: application you sometimes suspend activity or if there's a or if the local trust committee

[1:24:54] Trustee Langereis: commences a project to work on something to redo the bylaws like the ocp you'll sometimes suspend

[1:25:00] Trustee Langereis: um but sometimes you won't i'm going to give trustee colden an opportunity to speak to both

[1:25:06] Trustee Langereis: his motion or or the suggestion of trustee langerize and sort of get him an opportunity

[1:25:11] Trustee Langereis: to be either the way in here yeah

[1:25:14] Voice 10: i'm not in favor of it and i will vote for it um from the very

[1:25:18] Voice 10: first part of this formerly consults the community so it was put forward in july

[1:25:23] Voice 10: we had we took something from salt spring uh they've been used on other islands

[1:25:27] Voice 10: um manager of bylaw enforcement and compliance came back with something more structured within

[1:25:34] Voice 10: the gabriel of land use bylaws and official community plan uh it's gone to the advisory

[1:25:41] Voice 10: Planning Commission and the Housing Advisory Planning Commission twice. That is actually

[1:25:45] Voice 10: the formal route we have for public engagement. I think there should be more in different

[1:25:49] Voice 10: kinds. It gets more voices involved, but that's the job in the next term. Our job this term

[1:25:54] Voice 10: is to finish the work. This has gone out to the community. We have received a lot of feedback,

[1:26:00] Voice 10: taken the feedback specifically in motions from the Advisory Planning Commission and

[1:26:04] Voice 10: the Housing Advisory Planning Commission and put them in the revision that I provided

[1:26:07] Voice 10: it this morning i don't agree with your approach um to leave it up to staff to say what causes

[1:26:13] Voice 10: a new hardship talking to the building i just i don't think that's the approach i think that's

[1:26:18] Voice 10: a level of subjective decision making that um it just doesn't work so i don't agree with the

[1:26:26] Voice 10: format of this i don't agree with pushing this off i believe that the community should be working on

[1:26:30] Voice 10: solutions to ecosystem and community social outcomes and not to be working on the band-aid

[1:26:37] Voice 10: work on the cure so um i'm not going to vote in favor of this and i do hope that we pass the

[1:26:44] Voice 10: resolution today so that that staff can do the work they need to keep people health and safety

[1:26:49] Voice 10: and ecosystems protection um and then move on to the work of changing the ocp and changing

[1:26:54] Voice 10: the managed bylaws to take into account the reality of what living on this island is for a lot of people

[1:26:59] Trustee Langereis: let me ask

[1:27:00] Trustee Langereis: you a couple questions as i did trustee langer one is i noted you took out the the

[1:27:05] Trustee Langereis: recommended two-year moratorium i'll call it that for lack of a better word uh that had been

[1:27:12] Trustee Langereis: recommended by the um the manager do you want to speak to that yeah

[1:27:16] Voice 10: i think any sort of time frame

[1:27:18] Voice 10: that we're putting on people

[1:27:21] Voice 10: that provides a deadline or something.

[1:27:24] Voice 10: I don't think that's realistic

[1:27:26] Voice 10: to some of the processes involved here.

[1:27:29] Voice 10: And I just, a lot of the feedback

[1:27:32] Voice 10: from the Housing Advisory Plan Commission

[1:27:34] Voice 10: specifically around that,

[1:27:36] Voice 10: I agree with their assessment of it as well,

[1:27:38] Voice 10: that this can take longer or shorter,

[1:27:41] Voice 10: but putting deadlines on things

[1:27:42] Voice 10: doesn't provide any assistance in this area.

[1:27:46] Trustee Langereis: okay the other the second question i had is i noted that you specifically removed the section

[1:27:51] Trustee Langereis: that had been recommended by the manager around travel trailers and mobile mobile homes that he

[1:27:57] Trustee Langereis: because he said there was a specific provision in the bylaws related to that and you seem to

[1:28:02] Trustee Langereis: have taken that out is that your intent yeah and the reason it's

[1:28:05] Voice 10: just there's no reason to draw

[1:28:07] Voice 10: that out from other dwellings um they already are treated differently here than they are in other

[1:28:12] Voice 10: um official community plans and bylaws and so i saw no reason to distinguish between the type of

[1:28:19] Voice 10: dwelling i think that um there's already an opportunity for people to live in a trailer

[1:28:24] Voice 10: for up to two years for the building permit um for the most part a lot of the uses of those trailers

[1:28:29] Voice 10: are outside of that but that's the same as any club so i don't see a need to distinguish the type

[1:28:34] Voice 10: uh justin

[1:28:38] Voice 11: i think i you wanted to say something yeah

[1:28:41] Voice 5: just to comment on the

[1:28:43] Voice 5: trust coburn's motion he's referring to non-compliant dwellings used as for residential

[1:28:49] Voice 5: purposes which doesn't invite me to what put forward uh lauren david residential use of the

[1:28:59] Voice 5: building is more accurate because you see a non-compliant residential dwelling that already

[1:29:04] Voice 5: implies occupancy so when you say a non-residential dwelling occupied as a as a residence it's it's

[1:29:14] Voice 5: a duplication there okay i think it's good that we're now debating my motion but well no no but

[1:29:21] Trustee Langereis: i want to be clear just like make sure you i get your language because you said at least three

[1:29:27] Trustee Langereis: different things in there um and so the language used by trustee colburn is used for residential

[1:29:35] Trustee Langereis: purposes and you think that the language should if it was to be adopted it should shouldn't say

[1:29:41] Trustee Langereis: that it should say something else it should be saying what well

[1:29:45] Voice 5: i think it's more accurate to say

[1:29:47] Voice 5: a building used for residential purposes period well that's what it does say no it says a non

[1:29:54] Voice 5: compliant or non-compliant dwelling used for residential purposes

[1:30:00] Voice 5: definition dwelling already includes occupancy so it's redundant and then all

[1:30:06] Trustee Langereis: existing non-compliant

[1:30:08] Trustee Langereis: dwellings used for being used for residential purposes yeah so are you just saying it should

[1:30:14] Trustee Langereis: just say all existing non-compliant dwellings I

[1:30:19] Voice 5: think it'd be clear to say a residential use of

[1:30:23] Voice 5: a building period well

[1:30:26] Trustee Langereis: one of the things as I understand Trustee Colburn to be doing is trying

[1:30:30] Trustee Langereis: to get into his motion the concept of existing so that new bills don't count right yep and the

[1:30:40] Trustee Langereis: second thing is that it's non-compliant um so in other words uh dwellings that that that aren't

[1:30:49] Trustee Langereis: in compliance with the current bylaws um okay i'm not quite sure i understand what it is you

[1:30:58] Trustee Langereis: would do with that but i know you don't support motion in any case although i will say this like

[1:31:03] Trustee Langereis: trustee linegrass um this seems to address a number of your concerns for example it's got to

[1:31:08] Trustee Langereis: be looked at the sewage a proper sewage um and an approved septic system it also talks about

[1:31:15] Trustee Langereis: contamination of wells it also talks about an environmentally sensitive area and that the health

[1:31:21] Trustee Langereis: and safety of the residents has to be taken into concern all of those are there's some discretion

[1:31:26] Trustee Langereis: and attached to it acknowledge that uh but isn't that addressing some of the things that you were

[1:31:31] Trustee Langereis: trying to address

[1:31:32] Voice 5: it's addressing some of it again it is uh one of the questions put forward by it

[1:31:39] Voice 5: the uh public input was who who who is determining us well

[1:31:44] Trustee Langereis: that's the same thing as undue hardship

[1:31:46] Trustee Langereis: in any circumstance it's going to be the bylaw enforcement that's going to determine that yeah

[1:31:51] Voice 5: Yeah, and I, but I agree with the point that you made about the hard, undue hardship that, as far as I'm concerned, that could be taken out of my proposal, because it does, it does put an onus on staff to determine something that's highly subjective.

[1:32:09] Voice 5: but the other thing is existing and this is a question i've got existing i did a search on

[1:32:16] Voice 5: legislation and it said when you use the word existing you usually say existing on a specific

[1:32:22] Voice 5: date or an occurrence of a specific event it's got to be tied to something a trigger point

[1:32:29] Voice 5: and so what i did is put in the date the motion is passed it has passed because then that becomes

[1:32:34] Voice 5: come it's a slicing time in terms of what we're trying to uh defer on as opposed to when you just

[1:32:41] Voice 5: so you know on the day that's asked whatever the situation is that gets cast in so the stone that's

[1:32:46] Voice 5: where the deferment goes we don't incur mean uh situations when you say existing in a general way

[1:32:55] it could be existing on the date or it could be existing

[1:33:00] Voice 5: during the term of the of the resolution

[1:33:03] Voice 5: and that to me is ambiguous there okay we're into now amending my proposal

[1:33:07] Trustee Langereis: yeah yeah so let's

[1:33:08] Trustee Langereis: before we get into that can i turn to i want to just see if manager damon or climate image wish

[1:33:16] Trustee Langereis: to say anything about all of these proposals and if you don't if you don't want to weigh in that's

[1:33:23] Trustee Langereis: fine too i would understand um there are some obviously some political considerations but

[1:33:28] Trustee Langereis: um like a lot uh and that's not your job but anyway go ahead uh just for some clarity um

[1:33:38] Voice 9: so the whether or not a a building has a building permit does not establish an unlawful use for

[1:33:47] Voice 9: residents there are probably lots of well there are there are lots of homes on these islands that

[1:33:51] Voice 9: have building permits it's still a lawful dwelling under the land use bylaw as long as they're

[1:33:57] Voice 9: complying with all the regulations in the land use bylaw so consideration of whether or not it

[1:34:01] Voice 9: has a building permit isn't something that we have to take into consideration and that's yes they may

[1:34:08] Voice 9: be contributing an rdn building regulation bylaw we can't enforce that it may be referred to the

[1:34:14] Voice 9: rdn but that building permit does not establish an unlawful can i just know can

[1:34:20] Trustee Langereis: i just paraphrase

[1:34:20] Trustee Langereis: that in a different way as i understand it just if they do have a building permit it's likely

[1:34:26] Trustee Langereis: they comply with the bylaw because they otherwise wouldn't have gotten it shouldn't have gotten it

[1:34:30] Trustee Langereis: but if they don't have a building permit the inverse is not true they may still have a lawful

[1:34:34] Trustee Langereis: use it's not it's not it doesn't go yes right because they if they've gotten a building permit

[1:34:40] Trustee Langereis: they should have complied with our bylaw in order to get the building okay so thanks secondly

[1:34:46] Voice 9: so the use of the word building so trustee colburn's motion doesn't use the word building

[1:34:54] Voice 9: so trustee langris if we insert the word building in there then there would be enforcement on the

[1:34:59] Voice 9: unlawful use for residences of a travel trailer and i think that's trustee colbert's intent

[1:35:05] Voice 9: is that you know just says dwelling so we're not going to distinguish in that motion between travel

[1:35:10] Voice 9: trailers or uh any type of building it's just it's the use of a you know whatever for a dwelling

[1:35:18] Voice 9: and the third uh with trustee holborn's motion it would be beneficial if in the one section

[1:35:25] Voice 9: referencing environmentally sensitive areas if there's an addition of uh water zones right the

[1:35:31] Voice 9: so it's clear that like areas like dignan bay that people can't bring in a bunch of liver boards

[1:35:38] Voice 9: uh and make that lawful use this there would be no one to affirm it against the unlawful

[1:35:44] Voice 9: residential use of water so i could have interpreted that the water is obviously

[1:35:50] Voice 9: an environmentally sensitive area but for clarity it would be nice if it referred to

[1:35:56] Voice 9: you know a documented residential use of water in water

[1:35:59] Trustee Langereis: if i could if i could just say

[1:36:03] Trustee Langereis: my reading of it would be because you they aren't hooked up to an approved septic field correct

[1:36:10] Trustee Langereis: system they would be they couldn't be they wouldn't be in the exceptions anyway correct

[1:36:16] Voice 9: that may also yes or they may i mean they may say we're pumping it out using this system and that

[1:36:22] Voice 9: may be some type of a lawful system but you know yes it could be cashed in that as well you know

[1:36:28] Voice 9: the chances are they're not hooking it up any type of lawful system or going somewhere to get it

[1:36:32] Voice 9: pumped out and so then we would have to enforce because there's that risk of that i

[1:36:37] Trustee Langereis: mean i'm not

[1:36:38] Voice 9: into the water

[1:36:39] Trustee Langereis: i i've assumed from the

[1:36:40] Trustee Langereis: beginning and i could be wrong i mean i don't want to speak

[1:36:44] Trustee Langereis: for the people who have concerns about damien bay and i guess you don't want to have a floating

[1:36:48] Trustee Langereis: condominium there but um without proper approval and permitting but i'm assuming that the major

[1:36:54] Trustee Langereis: issue besides some unsightliness is concerns about the sewage being pumped into an enclosed

[1:37:02] Trustee Langereis: closed correct um uh marine environment or any environment for that matter and the degradation

[1:37:08] Trustee Langereis: of that environment from that kind of thing that would be my number one concern anyway there might

[1:37:13] Trustee Langereis: be other ones anyway okay thanks for that do you have any other comments before I turn back to the

[1:37:18] Trustee Langereis: trustees about how to move forward with this or or the planner do you have any concerns that you'd

[1:37:23] Trustee Langereis: like to raise thank you very much can I just ask

[1:37:24] Voice 10: about the the two year about why because that was

[1:37:28] Trustee Langereis: one of the

[1:37:28] Voice 10: changes that you made from the draft motion that i provided from salt spring and you

[1:37:32] Voice 10: added a two-year time frame if that's taken out does that have an impact on the work you do or is

[1:37:37] Voice 10: it just uh in the end

[1:37:39] Voice 9: it's something i'm more comfortable than putting in a limit and time limit

[1:37:44] Voice 9: for people to resolve this but i understand there's greater issues at play and in the end as

[1:37:50] Voice 9: long as it's safe as long as we're establishing that this isn't there isn't some personal safety

[1:37:55] Voice 9: safety risk on site, fire risk or regular contamination of wells, raw sewage going into

[1:38:02] Voice 9: open pits, if all of that is resolved, then it's another issue for the elected officials

[1:38:09] Voice 9: to decide whether or not they want to increase density or rather want to handle that issue.

[1:38:14] Voice 9: So I

[1:38:14] Voice 10: mean, it's not a huge problem.

[1:38:16] Voice 9: And

[1:38:16] Voice 10: the addition of a yearly, you know, a minimum of once per year with updates from

[1:38:21] Voice 10: you in terms of measuring results.

[1:38:23] Voice 9: Yeah, I think that's good.

[1:38:24] Voice 9: That's good.

[1:38:25] Voice 9: it's going to be reviewed on a regular basis anyway then the local committee can make their

[1:38:29] Voice 9: decisions based on that briefing what's going on i i have actually a

[1:38:33] Trustee Langereis: question um it's about the

[1:38:35] Trustee Langereis: proposed paragraph five and trustee calderon's is what i envision which says that the gabriel

[1:38:44] Trustee Langereis: may give direction to resume enforcement on activities on any property that poses risk to

[1:38:49] Trustee Langereis: the health and safety of residents and i'm going to move in a moment or risk to the environment

[1:38:54] Trustee Langereis: environment um but uh if we if we get to debating this uh but i would envision that that would be

[1:39:02] Trustee Langereis: you would go you know what i'm getting a complaint about x property and you know what it's really bad

[1:39:10] Trustee Langereis: it's really bad like some of the examples we got some of the correspondence i don't know any of the

[1:39:14] Trustee Langereis: details but we had i had some somebody write about some of the properties around their thing that

[1:39:19] Trustee Langereis: sounded like they were they were real concerns no they may not fit in the exceptions but

[1:39:24] Trustee Langereis: i would imagine you could then come to the local trust committee and say you know what

[1:39:27] Trustee Langereis: these two properties i think you should resume enforcement despite their understanding

[1:39:32] Trustee Langereis: resolution is that the way you would see that playing out yes

[1:39:35] Voice 9: they attended that as to it

[1:39:36] Voice 9: doesn't preclude the local trust committee from considering say a request for legal action

[1:39:41] Voice 9: against some you know very outrageous property whatever it may be if that would still come

[1:39:47] Voice 9: to you and most likely in the form of yeah we need to take legal action against this

[1:39:53] Voice 9: or

[1:39:53] Trustee Langereis: even if any kind of enforcement because otherwise otherwise it's in advance theoretically

[1:39:58] Trustee Langereis: i know i mean the word is deferred and then you'd come back and you'd say okay i know your standard

[1:40:05] Trustee Langereis: resolution is there but i'm concerned about these three properties that we've got in place i've

[1:40:10] Trustee Langereis: looked at them or would you actually never go and look at them because there's deferral

[1:40:14] Trustee Langereis: no

[1:40:15] Voice 9: this doesn't mean we're not still monitoring these properties and that's something that should

[1:40:20] Voice 9: be clear to everyone um it doesn't mean we're not going to go and investigate any new complaints

[1:40:26] Voice 9: or ensure that uh they're complying with other regulations in the land use by law and that it

[1:40:33] Voice 9: continues to be safe because there will always be issues raised over time especially if it's a long

[1:40:39] Voice 9: term use we'll get additional complaints and just being doing our due diligence we'll need to go and

[1:40:45] Voice 9: and re-inspect it to ensure that everything's good

[1:40:48] Voice 9: because it's still an open file.

[1:40:51] Voice 9: And it's still need to inspect it

[1:40:54] Voice 9: to ensure there are no concerns.

[1:40:56] Trustee Langereis: Okay, I'm gonna go back to Mr. Leningrad.

[1:40:58] Trustee Langereis: I've seen your hand.

[1:40:59] Trustee Langereis: I just wanted to finish my thought while I could.

[1:41:01] Trustee Langereis: Go ahead.

[1:41:01] Voice 5: Just a follow up to that then.

[1:41:06] Voice 5: If there's a non-compliant residential use

[1:41:10] Voice 5: and there's another contravention of the bylaw

[1:41:13] Voice 5: law related to that building does does the exemption deferral and enforcement

[1:41:22] Voice 5: impact the other

[1:41:24] Voice 9: contravention no it does not if there's a sighting contravention we're going to

[1:41:29] Voice 9: say we're going to have to deal with the setting contribution or

[1:41:32] Trustee Langereis: a land use i mean another land

[1:41:34] Voice 9: use issue

[1:41:35] Voice 9: or a sighting or trying to think of other examples there are patients yeah right

[1:41:43] Voice 9: like like dog

[1:41:45] Trustee Langereis: kennels i lost

[1:41:46] Voice 5: the other thing

[1:41:46] Trustee Langereis: sorry i won't go i

[1:41:49] Trustee Langereis: won't take it back since you

[1:41:53] Voice 4: sorry

[1:42:02] Trustee Langereis: okay we're gonna do that absurd thing

[1:42:08] Voice 5: okay sorry i put on a statement i had a question about it okay

[1:42:16] Trustee Langereis: so

[1:42:17] Voice 10: can we move on to debate yeah

[1:42:19] Trustee Langereis: well what we have right now just so you know

[1:42:22] Trustee Langereis: is where we have is we have uh trustee longer

[1:42:25] Trustee Langereis: ice's motion on the table but it has not yet

[1:42:28] Trustee Langereis: had been seconded um and i we've had a history at this ltc to second for debate i'll second it

[1:42:38] Voice 10: for debate then

[1:42:39] Trustee Langereis: let's let's can we agree that we'll talk about trustee langer as his motion

[1:42:45] Trustee Langereis: uh originally um and would you like to speak your motion beyond what you've already spoken yeah

[1:42:52] Voice 5: i would like to also make an amendment to it which is to remove the section regarding

[1:42:56] Voice 5: regarding the health, the

[1:43:00] Voice 10: section one, item B,

[1:43:04] Voice 10: in terms of section one, item B,

[1:43:06] Voice 10: enforcement would cause undue hardships.

[1:43:09] Voice 10: What is it you wanted to speak to?

[1:43:11] Voice 2: Take your time.

[1:43:18] Voice 2: It's the point you raised about undue hardship.

[1:43:25] Voice 5: They're moving item B, enforcement would cause

[1:43:27] Voice 5: undue hardship to the occupancy of the building.

[1:43:29] Voice 5: i agree with that that should not be there i did draw it in because i think this is done last night

[1:43:35] Voice 5: these don't want other comments from one of the commissions i can't remember but

[1:43:41] Voice 5: yeah it doesn't put too much uh discretion oh

[1:43:43] Trustee Langereis: i think there was lots of commentary from both amc

[1:43:46] Trustee Langereis: and the hapc that indicated that you know there's lots of people that are in residential circumstances

[1:43:53] Trustee Langereis: and from public correspondence that it's fine even though it's not compliant and that it's fine

[1:43:59] Trustee Langereis: and it would cause a lot of issues for folks and that we should take that into account it's

[1:44:06] Trustee Langereis: challenging to sort of do this on on a um on a uh well i'm going to enforce there but not there

[1:44:12] Trustee Langereis: kind of scenario um and i know there's always some discretion involved and if someone seems

[1:44:19] Trustee Langereis: to be working towards resolution they'll often be sort of longer periods of time but it's hard

[1:44:25] Trustee Langereis: you know it's hard to say we don't we don't we don't legislate people we legislate land use and

[1:44:34] Trustee Langereis: regulation and so because we don't want to be in a scenario of saying oh we like these people and

[1:44:40] Trustee Langereis: what they're doing it's going to be hard on them anyway your motion is on the table it's been

[1:44:45] Trustee Langereis: seconded what do you what's

[1:44:47] Voice 5: your i would like to make a friendly amendment to remove item b

[1:44:51] Voice 5: under the that section section one this is i don't remember that at this point in time but

[1:44:57] Voice 5: to remove the reference to undue hardship that's section b

[1:45:01] Voice 2: um well

[1:45:06] Trustee Langereis: you could move and can you

[1:45:07] Trustee Langereis: move an amendment to your own motion i actually don't think you can um uh i don't think you can

[1:45:15] Trustee Langereis: amend your own motion can you i'm sure i should have brought my robert's rules with me and i

[1:45:20] Trustee Langereis: never we've never had this scenario before but i'm going to give you a heads up um trustee law

[1:45:25] Trustee Langereis: colbert's not going to support your motion or vote in favor and i don't think i am either and

[1:45:31] Trustee Langereis: the reason is uh i don't think we can direct the next local trust committee to do anything

[1:45:38] Trustee Langereis: um and your motion says that the local trust committee formally consults the community

[1:45:43] Trustee Langereis: on the intent and wording of the following draft standing resolution including consideration of

[1:45:50] Trustee Langereis: any sunset clause to the resolution um i think it's probably i'm going to by the way i'm going

[1:45:55] Trustee Langereis: to as we if we get into trustee colburn's resolution uh i'm going to insert a clause

[1:46:02] Trustee Langereis: that we recommend that they do that uh but i'm not i don't think we can direct them formally do

[1:46:08] Trustee Langereis: that can we can pass a motion that says we will formally consult the community at this stage in

[1:46:13] Trustee Langereis: our term do you

[1:46:16] Voice 2: well

[1:46:19] Voice 5: i guess what we yeah i sort of see your point there about that but it should

[1:46:24] Voice 5: be for consideration by the next post committee yes

[1:46:28] Trustee Langereis: and and i i mean i i've been struck on this

[1:46:35] Trustee Langereis: on this motion this issue um because frankly it's somewhat challenging to make a standing

[1:46:43] Trustee Langereis: resolution of the very last meeting of our term that is the give the direction to the next local

[1:46:49] Trustee Langereis: trust or puts in place a legal structure for the next local trust committee um and i have been

[1:46:59] Trustee Langereis: considering saying oh i want to defer and let them decide to pass it or not but they can reverse it

[1:47:05] Trustee Langereis: um uh and i do have some notions but i don't think i think everything that you're trying to achieve

[1:47:12] Trustee Langereis: here can be achieved in trustee colbert's motion um the only difference is we're actually passing

[1:47:18] Trustee Langereis: a standing resolution as opposed to well they only difference the big difference is as to your

[1:47:22] Trustee Langereis: you're uh going let's go out and consult the community and and decide whether to do this or not

[1:47:28] Trustee Langereis: and the effect is the same because as you clarified with trustee with managed statement

[1:47:34] Trustee Langereis: if this was passed your motion would pass the the there would be a uh probably no active

[1:47:41] Trustee Langereis: resolution enforcement any case but it seems to me that the other resolution more directly

[1:47:48] Trustee Langereis: addresses the issue i i do have some amendments proposed to it but uh there is i i don't think

[1:47:55] Trustee Langereis: i'm going to support it so is there any point in amending it or do you want to amend it anyway well

[1:47:59] Voice 2: my

[1:48:00] Voice 5: preference actually would be to then defeat both motions and let the next class committee

[1:48:06] Voice 5: decide on it okay

[1:48:08] Trustee Langereis: well i still

[1:48:08] Voice 5: believe in the more community consultation well

[1:48:12] Trustee Langereis: and so do i um

[1:48:15] Trustee Langereis: which is why i'm going to pass a recommendation that they go out and consult the community on it

[1:48:21] Trustee Langereis: but um i uh i i get your point that you'd like to just defeat both motions um so if you're okay

[1:48:31] Trustee Langereis: given what i've just said uh can i call the vote on your motion without going through the process

[1:48:37] Trustee Langereis: of amending it first yeah okay

[1:48:39] Trustee Langereis: so i'm going to call the vote on uh do you want to speak any

[1:48:43] Trustee Langereis: further trustee allegra's motion no thank you for the work um yeah and i think i think there's

[1:48:49] Trustee Langereis: actually a fair amount of overlap between the two um i think they're trying to address a similar

[1:48:54] Trustee Langereis: issues uh but you just went out and they went a different way plus there's a fundamental difference

[1:48:59] Trustee Langereis: between the two of you but you go we should go talk to community more and you're saying let's

[1:49:04] Trustee Langereis: take some action right now um so i'm going to call the vote on trustee laundress's motion

[1:49:09] Trustee Langereis: as presented all in favor so that one vote in favor all opposed and that fails so we then will

[1:49:17] Trustee Langereis: bring back the deferred motion which is trustee long horizon's motion sorry trustee colburn's

[1:49:23] Trustee Langereis: motion and let me just find it again which has been moved and seconded and i'm going to

[1:49:35] Trustee Langereis: trust the language do you want to speak to it i have a couple of amendments to suggest

[1:49:38] Trustee Langereis: i got to find it okay it was in his email that i think somebody sent to you i don't know why

[1:49:46] Trustee Langereis: i for whatever reason no it was sent to your

[1:49:49] Voice 2: trustee yeah okay i found that you want to

[1:49:57] Voice 2: read your amendments um

[1:49:59] Trustee Langereis: well i'll speak to them okay um i would like to i mean it's not right

[1:50:05] Trustee Langereis: to say oh i'm sorry i got trustee langer's backup uh so i'd like to move that uh paragraph five be

[1:50:14] Trustee Langereis: amended to add the words that poses risk to the health and safety of residents or to the

[1:50:22] Trustee Langereis: environment okay so let me speak to my motion as i understand paragraph five it's exactly what i

[1:50:34] Trustee Langereis: was talking to manager damon about is it would allow us to do this scenario presumably in camera

[1:50:39] Trustee Langereis: i don't know i've never done it before on a standing resolution where uh he could come to

[1:50:44] Trustee Langereis: us and say you know i know you got your standing resolution uh but we've got concerns here um uh

[1:50:50] Trustee Langereis: either they're cutting down trees or they're or they're uh they're pumping or they're they're uh

[1:50:58] Trustee Langereis: they're using too much water or or they're doing things that are at risk to the health

[1:51:03] Trustee Langereis: and safety of the residents or to the or to the environment and uh and then you could consider

[1:51:08] Trustee Langereis: giving direction to resume enforcement on a particular property so that is a bit

[1:51:14] Trustee Langereis: sort of reversing the onus whereas now complaint enforcement it would be complaint deferral come

[1:51:23] Trustee Langereis: to the local trust committee they make a decision to or resumption of enforcement so that's my

[1:51:29] Trustee Langereis: motion to add the words or danger to the or heart did i say danger or harm what did i say uh amended

[1:51:36] Voice 4: it to include health and safety of residents or

[1:51:39] Voice 10: to the environment so it poses risk to the safety

[1:51:43] Voice 10: of residents or the environment correct or the environment

[1:51:45] Trustee Langereis: so i'd like to move that the words

[1:51:48] Trustee Langereis: or the environment at the end can

[1:51:49] Voice 5: i speak to that

[1:51:50] Trustee Langereis: yeah i'll move it does anybody want a second

[1:51:53] Trustee Langereis: i'll second it okay yeah go ahead um

[1:51:55] Voice 5: i have trouble with number five because it's having

[1:51:59] Voice 5: a local trust committee so that actively the wording is that they would give direction to

[1:52:06] Voice 5: expand enforcement activity i'm not sure what that exactly means expand resume so this is item five

[1:52:15] Voice 5: it's repeated somewhat and may give direction to expand enforcement activities you're looking at

[1:52:21] Voice 5: something different

[1:52:22] Voice 10: than i'm looking

[1:52:22] Voice 5: at but this is the email i got from scott yeah

[1:52:25] Voice 10: but he's he's

[1:52:26] Voice 10: amending uh section five yeah i know section

[1:52:29] Voice 10: five says oh

[1:52:32] Voice 5: sorry you were talking about this

[1:52:39] Trustee Langereis: yeah the local

[1:52:40] Trustee Langereis: island trust committee will give made to give direction to resume enforcement on

[1:52:45] Trustee Langereis: activities on any property that poses risk to the health and safety of residents and i want to add

[1:52:51] Trustee Langereis: the words or the environment now

[1:52:53] Voice 5: we just had a public notice from salis island about enforcement

[1:52:57] Voice 5: action and in the public notice it was put out it said that local trust committee do not get

[1:53:04] Voice 5: involved in enforcement actions

[1:53:05] Trustee Langereis: and they would normally not do that except in the case of when

[1:53:09] Trustee Langereis: there's a standing resolution that says don't enforce and you're absolutely right i mean this

[1:53:15] Trustee Langereis: puts us in the middle of uh puts you potentially in the middle of enforcement on illegal dwellings

[1:53:22] Trustee Langereis: sorry that's the wrong word uh

[1:53:25] Voice 9: non-compliant yes so just some clarification the policies really

[1:53:29] Voice 9: the trustees level trust committees do not get involved with investigations at this point their

[1:53:35] Voice 9: investigation would be complete we'd be going to the local trust committee with a report presumably

[1:53:40] and saying we need to resume in this circumstance or pursue legal action in this circumstance

[1:53:48] because of whatever

[1:53:50] Voice 9: issues was presented to the local trust committee so it's not getting the

[1:53:53] Voice 9: local trust committee involved in any way in the investigation although it's just a property all

[1:53:58] Voice 9: of this has been determined by staff and back with requests for legal action they'll be a young

[1:54:04] Voice 9: Anderson legal opinion which will confirm yes these are fond dimensions and here's the action

[1:54:10] Voice 9: so

[1:54:11] Voice 5: it's responding to a report from enforcement staff about the situation and giving

[1:54:16] Voice 5: a

[1:54:17] Voice 9: recommendation with any request for legal action as an example it is up to the local

[1:54:24] Voice 9: trust committee whether or not they wish to pursue that and actually any local trust committee makes

[1:54:29] Voice 9: a decision in the end about whether or not there's a type of prosecution on any particular file this

[1:54:36] Voice 9: is applying to a deferment

[1:54:38] Voice 5: of enforcement this whole resolution when you defer the ability to

[1:54:45] Voice 5: restart right you're saying that the local trust making input they know

[1:54:49] Voice 5: you've deferred it but we want you to restart them right enforcement and i'm not sure the local

[1:54:55] Voice 5: trust me should be getting involved in that way well

[1:54:58] Trustee Langereis: that's a fair

[1:54:58] Voice 5: and that's a fair

[1:54:59] Trustee Langereis: point but

[1:55:00] Trustee Langereis: there are other the other side is if the local trust committee got involved in deferment it's

[1:55:06] Trustee Langereis: only in the local trust committee that could tell you to unwind the deferment right and and i think

[1:55:11] Trustee Langereis: what the plan the notion is intended to do is to say you know what there's going to be circumstances

[1:55:16] Trustee Langereis: where even though they they fit all these criteria there's there's a risk to health and safety etc

[1:55:22] Trustee Langereis: et cetera, et cetera, we're gonna unwind the deferment

[1:55:24] Trustee Langereis: for those particular people.

[1:55:25] Trustee Langereis: It gives a little bit of that discretion,

[1:55:28] Trustee Langereis: but puts it in our hands because we're,

[1:55:31] Trustee Langereis: or I shouldn't say ours,

[1:55:32] Trustee Langereis: but the local trust committee's hands because,

[1:55:34] Trustee Langereis: so it's a slightly different scenario in my view

[1:55:36] Trustee Langereis: than the normal bylaw enforcement

[1:55:39] Trustee Langereis: where we usually don't get involved

[1:55:41] Trustee Langereis: and often we don't even know.

[1:55:44] Trustee Langereis: I mean, we're told, but I get so many of them.

[1:55:47] Trustee Langereis: People go, didn't you know there was bylaw?

[1:55:49] Trustee Langereis: And I go, no, I see the notice

[1:55:51] Trustee Langereis: that it's been opened but i don't know what's going on and and you're right we shouldn't uh

[1:55:56] Trustee Langereis: that's usually administrative processes and they're very good at it and they work very hard

[1:56:01] Trustee Langereis: to try and find compliance and it's only when they have to get beyond that that they come back

[1:56:08] Voice 5: so number five that really overrides number one uh

[1:56:12] Trustee Langereis: number five uh it doesn't oh it doesn't override

[1:56:19] Trustee Langereis: it in my view what it does is is it it it um well maybe it's not necessary except that it would

[1:56:28] Trustee Langereis: bring because there already are risks if there are your wrists and it doesn't fall within the

[1:56:32] Trustee Langereis: exception i see your point

[1:56:35] Voice 12: um

[1:56:37] Trustee Langereis: i think i i mean i'm i'm sort of partial number five only because

[1:56:41] Trustee Langereis: i think it gives comfort to to uh the community that the local trust committee can can uh indicate

[1:56:48] Trustee Langereis: that they will also be involved in the assessment

[1:56:52] Trustee Langereis: of whether there's risk to health, safety,

[1:56:54] Trustee Langereis: or the environment.

[1:56:55] Voice 10: And I like your amendment, I think that's a good amendment.

[1:56:58] Voice 10: And I would add water zones to item four as well.

[1:57:02] Voice 10: If you're in terms of like making sure

[1:57:05] Voice 10: that we have an avenue, if there are instances

[1:57:07] Voice 10: where there is some degradation or risks

[1:57:11] Voice 10: that there are avenues to pursue.

[1:57:14] Voice 10: So let's

[1:57:15] Trustee Langereis: do one more amendment at a time.

[1:57:17] Trustee Langereis: I've got mine moved and seconded.

[1:57:20] Trustee Langereis: Trustee Gallagher, do you wish to say any more

[1:57:22] Trustee Langereis: about the amendment?

[1:57:25] Voice 5: No, I said what I-

[1:57:26] Trustee Langereis: Okay, and I know that generally you don't,

[1:57:29] Trustee Langereis: you're not supportive of this approach

[1:57:31] Trustee Langereis: and I totally respect that.

[1:57:33] Trustee Langereis: So you don't have to, but I'm gonna move,

[1:57:36] Trustee Langereis: I'm gonna take a vote on the amendment.

[1:57:39] Trustee Langereis: I know that the recorder has it,

[1:57:42] Trustee Langereis: so I'll take a vote all in favor of the amendment.

[1:57:45] Trustee Langereis: There's two all opposed.

[1:57:46] Trustee Langereis: okay so that's that's trustee live with you and you want your your road to report it okay

[1:57:52] Trustee Langereis: so you want to make a motion amendment to number four

[1:57:55] Voice 10: um so uh move to amend item four

[1:57:59] Voice 10: non-permitted residential uses are in water zones or environmentally sensitive areas

[1:58:07] Trustee Langereis: okay and just just for my information do we have specific zones in the ocp or land use pilots

[1:58:15] Trustee Langereis: that are called water zones yeah okay okay yeah

[1:58:19] Voice 10: i wouldn't just think i would just say water zones

[1:58:21] Voice 10: as an overall i wouldn't distinguish that's

[1:58:23] Trustee Langereis: fine so i'll i'll second that amendment uh trustee

[1:58:26] Trustee Langereis: ladders do you want to speak to that amendment uh

[1:58:28] Voice 5: no i'm fine with that i i still believe that

[1:58:32] Voice 5: flow homes and boats are not included because they're not a building

[1:58:35] Voice 5: i

[1:58:35] Voice 12: i think you're probably right go ahead

[1:58:38] Voice 10: no the idea of this is to make it but it's what i'm

[1:58:42] Voice 10: important about the change right but it's dwellings right it's not focusing on buildings

[1:58:47] Voice 10: or structures it's getting out of that and looking at the use so in my opinion this is a more

[1:58:53] Voice 10: equitable approach but also gets a um a float home or something that would also um cause some

[1:58:59] Voice 5: environmental damage i just in response to that i think that it does it does reference the section

[1:59:05] Voice 5: the introductory paragraph which is about i don't know in compliance dwelling so it doesn't include

[1:59:09] Voice 5: in philippines they're really

[1:59:11] Voice 5: talking about something that's going to affect the water zone

[1:59:13] Voice 5: but not by boats necessarily just that's

[1:59:17] Trustee Langereis: my understanding it's not talking it's talking

[1:59:20] Trustee Langereis: about residential uses in water zones so they're actually in the water zone so i think well that's

[1:59:27] Trustee Langereis: so

[1:59:27] Voice 5: that's because these are exceptions correct so you're just saying that it's going to allow for

[1:59:35] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, But

[1:59:36] Trustee Langereis: it's going to know because it's going to the enforcement is going to be non permitted residential uses and water zones so that's going to be the exception to the deferral.

[1:59:46] Trustee Langereis: Mayor Mrakas, Right yep so

[1:59:48] Trustee Langereis: it's an exception to the deferral enforcement still on the table that's the way I read it anyway.

[1:59:56] Trustee Langereis: Mayor Mrakas, So all of 12345.

[2:00:00] Trustee Langereis: are the exceptions to the deferral to

[2:00:02] Voice 10: the waters and then it's because it's not building or

[2:00:05] Voice 10: structure it's dwelling it's general not to be fine

[2:00:07] Trustee Langereis: right okay so i've got a motion to add those

[2:00:10] Trustee Langereis: words did you get those thank you very much uh and uh i think i seconded it do you want to speak

[2:00:18] Trustee Langereis: any further to the motion i'll call the vote all in favor oh that's that passes unanimously

[2:00:23] Trustee Langereis: um i do you have anything further you want to add i have one more amendment that i'd like to

[2:00:28] Trustee Langereis: i suggest i'm going to um uh if your numbering is sort of i i assume that c is intended to be three

[2:00:38] Voice 10: uh yes

[2:00:40] Trustee Langereis: it's a oh

[2:00:42] Voice 10: that's email yeah

[2:00:44] Voice 10: the number looks differently online oh okay

[2:00:47] Trustee Langereis: oh so it's abc okay okay um then i'm gonna propose a motion d uh that the

[2:00:58] Trustee Langereis: the Gabriel Local Trust Committee recommend

[2:01:02] Trustee Langereis: to the incoming Local Trust Committee

[2:01:06] Trustee Langereis: that it conduct a community consultation

[2:01:17] Voice 2: regarding this standing resolution.

[2:01:20] Voice 2: I'll second that.

[2:01:27] Voice 5: I comment, you're doing exactly what I've been doing.

[2:01:30] Trustee Langereis: I know, but we've done it differently.

[2:01:31] Trustee Langereis: You said

[2:01:31] Voice 5: it was not appropriate to put onto the-

[2:01:33] Voice 5: No,

[2:01:34] Trustee Langereis: we're recommending to do that.

[2:01:36] Trustee Langereis: Oh, recommending.

[2:01:37] Voice 5: and they'll then decide

[2:01:39] Trustee Langereis: whether they're going to do it or not like we did last year we actually

[2:01:42] Trustee Langereis: recommended a couple last things in september to them as well

[2:01:45] Voice 2: the list is getting long

[2:01:49] Trustee Langereis: the list is getting very long and wait till you get the trust council list and somewhere along

[2:01:56] Voice 12: the

[2:01:56] Trustee Langereis: line we're like five years in there has to be a housing needs assessment needs assessment

[2:02:02] Trustee Langereis: pretty soon doesn't there is coming here this coming year as uh i think we're going to be

[2:02:08] Trustee Langereis: hiring six more planners um sorry

[2:02:11] Voice 2: there'll

[2:02:13] Trustee Langereis: be a budget item it'll be

[2:02:14] Trustee Langereis: it'll have to be a budget

[2:02:16] Trustee Langereis: item how are they going to do housing needs assessment across the trust with the current

[2:02:20] Trustee Langereis: stop well

[2:02:20] Voice 5: they did that a lot they did contracts last time i don't know anyway

[2:02:24] Trustee Langereis: anyway that's my

[2:02:26] Trustee Langereis: motion did you get it okay is there a second okay so is there any discussion about my proposed

[2:02:34] Trustee Langereis: amendment i

[2:02:35] Voice 10: think it's good that it recommends it

[2:02:37] Voice 10: it also puts this into action now um so that

[2:02:41] Voice 10: any enforcement activities or investigations continue and also um there's some um that we

[2:02:49] Voice 10: agree upon the uh the general terminology and then the approach is there right okay

[2:02:56] Trustee Langereis: anything from you

[2:02:58] Trustee Langereis: trustee andres no

[2:02:59] Voice 5: it's just i'll say it's an improvement okay

[2:03:01] Trustee Langereis: so i'll call a vote all in favor

[2:03:03] Trustee Langereis: that passes unanimously so we have an amended motion is there anything else any any other

[2:03:08] Trustee Langereis: amendments to the to the motion for trustee colburn which has now been brought back from deferral and

[2:03:13] Trustee Langereis: amended uh does any it's been moved and seconded is there any further anybody else want to speak

[2:03:19] Trustee Langereis: to it trustee can i just say i didn't want to speak and i'm sorry uh thank you for your

[2:03:25] Trustee Langereis: commentary earlier today and the other people have spoken as well um this is a challenging

[2:03:31] Trustee Langereis: issue and i have read all of the material from the the people that were opposed to these standing

[2:03:36] Trustee Langereis: resolutions um and uh and i understand the concerns because there are scenarios on certain

[2:03:45] Trustee Langereis: certain properties and certain uh uh and places around the island where people push the envelope

[2:03:51] Trustee Langereis: so far that it becomes a problem and it and those are many and numerous but there are the reality is

[2:03:59] Trustee Langereis: um uh that the housing situation on some of the islands and particularly this and this one as well

[2:04:08] Trustee Langereis: is is um is dire and uh and while some people may have options a lot of people don't and uh we're

[2:04:18] Trustee Langereis: going to be talking in a minute about a housing development it's we've always acknowledged from

[2:04:24] Trustee Langereis: the beginning that that was only one part of the solution there are other parts of solution we're

[2:04:29] Trustee Langereis: working on one related to the i've forgotten the name of it what's the one that we're working on

[2:04:36] Trustee Langereis: one that's in our our follow-up action list but that came out of the housing options

[2:04:42] Trustee Langereis: yeah there was one we're working on that we're trying to get people to put more housing on the

[2:04:46] Trustee Langereis: market and it's a it's a huge balancing act between protecting the environment and protecting

[2:04:52] Trustee Langereis: the community and making sure that people don't get fall between the cracks and there are far too

[2:04:58] Trustee Langereis: many that are falling between the cracks and i guess i at the end i don't want to be um i don't

[2:05:05] Trustee Langereis: want to leave this with the opportunity of maybe narrowing one of those cracks just a little bit

[2:05:11] Trustee Langereis: um and so i'm going to be supporting this point um in hopes that it does narrow the crack at least

[2:05:19] Trustee Langereis: just a little bit um so having said that sort of we're about to take a vote so if i want to make

[2:05:27] Trustee Langereis: one sure

[2:05:27] Voice 5: it's just a little more critical too and then part of the issue with housing is not supply

[2:05:34] Voice 5: control of corporations of residential properties i think that's one of the this is part of a larger

[2:05:43] issue we're a small part of the whole situation like there was that motion put forward by

[2:05:53] Voice 5: about the rights real estate investment trusts who are in the residential market and they're

[2:06:00] Voice 5: taking over you know single-family homes apartments whatever and they're reducing the stock of rental

[2:06:07] Voice 5: property and also increasing the cost for renters and the other thing i related this is personal

[2:06:15] Voice 5: is that multiple property ownership is a problem, mind you.

[2:06:23] Voice 5: It should, you know, if residential property should be owned by one person only,

[2:06:28] Voice 5: you shouldn't own three residential properties.

[2:06:30] Voice 5: You want to own commercial and residential as one thing.

[2:06:33] Voice 5: That would be one way, as a society, we could reduce the inequity that occurs right now

[2:06:39] Voice 5: because you get these wealthy people, they buy properties all over the place.

[2:06:43] Voice 5: they rent them out you know they raise their rents they catch them up it takes away from

[2:06:47] Voice 5: individual the smaller person to be able to buy probably because they've got the money to raise

[2:06:52] Voice 5: the price and i firmly believe in that that you should you should not own more than one

[2:06:58] Voice 5: residential property and it doesn't mean the cottage is gone but this is the reality we face

[2:07:06] Voice 5: case today it's not like it was in the 60s that's just

[2:07:11] Voice 10: my own personal bias okay on that note we do

[2:07:16] Voice 10: have an ongoing project um the density donation project if

[2:07:20] Voice 2: you have a

[2:07:21] Voice 10: secondary piece of land

[2:07:22] Voice 10: and you don't want to see it developed but you want to take that residential use and put it

[2:07:27] Voice 10: somewhere else on the island there's lots of ways that you could deal with staff to do that and

[2:07:32] Voice 10: that's one of the projects we've done this time but i take your point and i'll be looking in favor

[2:07:37] Voice 10: of this amendment uh we're

[2:07:39] Voice 1: not on the amendment we're at the main

[2:07:40] Trustee Langereis: motion the amended spending

[2:07:42] Trustee Langereis: resolution and to the to the uh the incoming trust local trust committee uh to the extent

[2:07:49] Trustee Langereis: that this may cause you some challenges i apologize but i'm going to also vote so all in

[2:07:54] Trustee Langereis: favor and those opposed thanks trustee libraries so that's been passed as a standing resolution

[2:08:02] Trustee Langereis: resolution as amended thank you very much manager dangman for attending and for being part of the

[2:08:08] Trustee Langereis: solution and uh I'm going to adjourn for um half an hour

[2:08:15] Voice 1: sorry

[2:08:17] Trustee Langereis: recess not adjourn for half an hour

[2:08:20] Trustee Langereis: I apologize to uh Miss Pearson Mr um Scott will come back in the next we have a couple of others

[2:08:28] Trustee Langereis: uh we have uh a very short item but then as soon as we come back we'll come back at 10 after

[2:08:35] Trustee Langereis: one and uh we'll we'll be back and we'll be on your application at that point thank you very much

[2:43:55] Voice 2: he's the acting station oh is he actually there's just there's a lot of fires down

[2:44:07] Voice 2: okay uh

[2:44:16] Trustee Langereis: welcome back uh it's 1 15. we'll uh carry on through the agenda thank you very much for the

[2:44:23] Trustee Langereis: discussions uh this morning um i guess you were right trustee colbert we had things to talk about

[2:44:29] Trustee Langereis: when

[2:44:29] Voice 1: we decided we're talking about attorney and

[2:44:31] Trustee Langereis: canceling the meeting this was today

[2:44:35] Trustee Langereis: and the next item on the agenda is uh the 7.3 was the response letter from the uh from uh

[2:44:47] Trustee Langereis: tell us and i just i put it i we got it in after our meeting last time i i think i mentioned it

[2:44:53] Trustee Langereis: last time but i just wanted to know if anybody wanted to do anything further about it no it's

[2:44:58] Voice 5: just good to hear that they're doing manual instructions and it's in writing so yeah

[2:45:05] Trustee Langereis: so

[2:45:06] Trustee Langereis: is there any further action anybody we need to take or just receive it for information

[2:45:11] Voice 10: just receive information

[2:45:12] Trustee Langereis: okay okay and i wanted to make sure it was on the public agenda so that

[2:45:16] Trustee Langereis: those that were concerned could see what their the approach of the telus was going forward related

[2:45:21] Trustee Langereis: to their properties um okay great then the next item on the agenda is we'll move into applications

[2:45:27] Trustee Langereis: the next item is the gabriel housing society and i recognize that we have um and thank you for your

[2:45:34] Trustee Langereis: patience we have nancy heather pearson we have ian scott with us let me just check and make sure

[2:45:39] Trustee Langereis: they've actually made it back into the meeting and they're online but they may have uh not made it

[2:45:45] Trustee Langereis: back i'm here thank you very much okay this is scott

[2:45:49] Voice 4: thanks okay

[2:45:50] Trustee Langereis: thank

[2:45:51] Voice 4: you thank you great thanks

[2:45:53] Trustee Langereis: very much and we're on your item and i'm going to now turn over to so what we'll do is we'll

[2:45:58] Trustee Langereis: move it over to the planner uh to present her uh lengthy report uh most of us i know is the ecora

[2:46:07] Trustee Langereis: um uh attachment and the documents that went which i went through last night and you can

[2:46:13] Trustee Langereis: present that and see if there's questions from trustees and then i'll see if the

[2:46:17] Trustee Langereis: uh applicant wishes to add anything to the uh to the staff and then we'll discuss it amongst

[2:46:22] Trustee Langereis: to ourselves so over to you thank you

[2:46:26] Voice 4: so the report is very comprehensive so i'll keep this

[2:46:29] Voice 4: introduction brief it's to introduce the combined development permit and development variance from

[2:46:34] Voice 4: an application for your consideration the purpose of the development permit is for the protection

[2:46:40] Voice 4: of the natural environment this is a new development permit area for gabriel on the two

[2:46:44] Voice 4: subject parcels shown in the report and i've got it up on the screen as well for the proposed

[2:46:49] Voice 4: post-development of up to 24 units of affordable rental housing squarely within that new development

[2:46:56] Voice 4: permit area for environmental protection and the purpose of the development variance from

[2:46:59] Voice 4: an application is to consider the variance to the parking requirement for parking areas

[2:47:06] Voice 4: as shown in the site plan to be sited as close as zero meters to the setback which is a 1.5

[2:47:14] Voice 4: meter setback to the front lot line which is providing the ministry of transportation

[2:47:17] Voice 4: station road to Paisley Road. The two subject properties are both owned by the

[2:47:22] Voice 4: Gabor Law Housing Society. They're approximately two hectares combined

[2:47:27] Voice 4: size at the end of Paisley Road. And the scope of the development is shown in

[2:47:33] Voice 4: figure two for the development permit area and for the EVP application, which

[2:47:39] Voice 4: is construction of up to 24 dwelling units, a common house, bicycle storage

[2:47:43] Voice 4: large areas, water treatment, which is a total of up to 6.3%

[2:47:49] Voice 4: lot coverage for the law one, and up to 8.4% total coverage

[2:47:54] Voice 4: for law two for buildings and structures to 32 vehicle parking

[2:47:58] Voice 4: spaces, 30 bicycle parking spaces. The proposal is for

[2:48:02] Voice 4: approximately 67, 6,770 square meters of true removal or

[2:48:07] disturbance, which is 34% of confined lot area and 13,000

[2:48:12] square meters

[2:48:13] Voice 4: of forest retention 66 of the confined library so in summary the application

[2:48:19] Voice 4: is compliant with the island stress policy statement the proposed development complies

[2:48:23] Voice 4: with the objectives and policies of the official community plan and the development permit

[2:48:27] Voice 4: guidelines in the land use file it meets all the land use bylaw siting regulations except

[2:48:32] Voice 4: for the required variance that's under consideration today for the proposed striking

[2:48:37] Voice 4: and given that the parking areas in this particular development would not adversely

[2:48:41] Voice 4: impact adjacent property owners and we've received no correspondence or concerns up to

[2:48:47] Voice 4: this point in time staff are recommending approval of the dbp and dp the applicant submitted an

[2:48:56] Voice 4: environmental overview report which is the bulk of the application for the package before you

[2:49:01] Voice 4: our preliminary arborist report as well as the landscape architecture plan to support the

[2:49:06] Voice 4: application for the development permit specifically and those are in attachment three

[2:49:10] Voice 4: and the citing of the development and recommendations for measures to protect

[2:49:15] Voice 4: the coastal dunks for ecosystem are included in the dpa draft development permit area

[2:49:22] Voice 4: that is before you for consideration so we're recommending issuance of both permits

[2:49:27] Voice 4: do you have any questions i'm happy to take this time questions

[2:49:31] Voice 12: from trustees trustee lagras yeah

[2:49:33] Voice 5: just one question um where it says uh thirteen thousand one hundred square meters of force

[2:49:39] Voice 5: retention that means undisturbed land correct

[2:49:43] Voice 4: that's air left

[2:49:45] Voice 5: untouched basically correct

[2:49:47] Voice 4: and

[2:49:48] Voice 5: so the six thousand square meters would include the septic system i

[2:49:52] Voice 4: believe so because

[2:49:54] Voice 4: of the clearing that's required sorry i

[2:49:57] Voice 4: believe so because of the clearing that's required for

[2:49:59] Voice 4: insulation of the septic yeah

[2:50:01] Voice 5: i just because it seems that they're reporting it was 50

[2:50:05] Voice 5: protection now they're talking 66 so i wonder about the septic system where because that's

[2:50:10] Voice 5: located on the lower part i thought but i'm not sure if they're where it shows development whether

[2:50:15] Voice 5: it's the septic system is in that area or whether it extends into the forest area that's the one

[2:50:22] Voice 5: question i've got sure

[2:50:23] Voice 4: we can ask the applicant to clarify that do

[2:50:25] Trustee Langereis: you want to do that now

[2:50:28] Trustee Langereis: mr scott do you did you want to hear the question i

[2:50:33] Voice 6: i did thank you and sorry i've lost my video but

[2:50:36] Voice 6: um so i'll just answer you without my video on um yeah um to uh counselor uh trustee langrise

[2:50:43] Voice 6: uh question the septic uh um disposal wastewater field area is within in that 64 or 67 percent

[2:50:52] Voice 6: forest zone they're going to be not very wide wetland peat disposal fields so there will be

[2:51:00] Voice 6: some tree disturbance in there but really it's over time it ends up being a forest zone you can

[2:51:06] Voice 6: also see on the plans you know there's a path you know through that area as well if Sonia

[2:51:14] Voice 6: scrolls down uh you can see the or scrolls back up again um uh you can see the um that those two

[2:51:22] Voice 6: sort of straight lines those are the wetland peat fields and the and the path in between

[2:51:26] Voice 6: uh the arborist report identified some potential uh root rot of some of the trees within that zone

[2:51:33] Voice 6: so part of our process during construction will be to um uh you know to confirm the extent of that

[2:51:39] Voice 6: and take the arborist recommendations around any remedial action.

[2:51:44] Voice 6: So I would say that it is possible that the amount of how you calculate the amount of forest zone

[2:51:51] Voice 6: might be reduced somewhat, but it's still going to be 60% plus at the end of the day.

[2:51:59] Trustee Langereis: Did you get the answer to your question?

[2:52:02] Voice 5: I think, yeah. So the septic system runs into the forest retention areas, is what I gather.

[2:52:07] Voice 6: Yes.

[2:52:08] Voice 6: So

[2:52:10] Voice 5: it's so the 6700 square meters of tree removal doesn't take into account the uh so it's not 66%

[2:52:19] Voice 5: and really forest retention I guess I guess it depends on what you mean by 66% forest retention

[2:52:26] Voice 5: if I just I had assumed that where the septic system would be part of the development

[2:52:35] Voice 5: outline where development was occurring that's why I wondered because it shows such as I know

[2:52:40] Voice 5: it's a long strip that runs down yeah

[2:52:43] Voice 6: well i i think um the um the the reality is that this

[2:52:51] Voice 6: style of wastewater disposal field i can integrate well into a forest zone um the trees you know are

[2:52:58] Voice 6: part of what um take up you know excess nutrients and and help with final polish polishing of the

[2:53:03] Voice 6: the you know the wastewater and yeah so it's you know it fits well within the forest zone

[2:53:12] Voice 6: like I said there's also a path through there so where there's a path through a forest is that part

[2:53:17] Voice 6: of the forest or not you know so we've just clarified what is the overall target area of

[2:53:24] Voice 6: the zone that isn't you know having extensive development and you know it's going to vary a

[2:53:28] Voice 6: few percent either way uh based on final uh construction details other

[2:53:37] Trustee Langereis: questions for either

[2:53:38] Trustee Langereis: the planner or the or the uh uh

[2:53:41] Voice 10: i had a question about the parking material i don't know if it's

[2:53:45] Voice 10: gone into this level of detail but i didn't see anything in the environmental record either about

[2:53:49] Voice 10: whether it's permeable or non-permeable in terms of the parking substance being used

[2:53:56] Voice 10: is that something that's covered at this point in the planning or

[2:54:00] Voice 10: by any part of the environmental assessment

[2:54:08] Voice 4: sorry for everyone watching online too because this is also my working screen

[2:54:13] Voice 4: here's a plan that shows the surface areas that are proposed and it's crushed gravel shown for

[2:54:22] Voice 4: the frequency oh

[2:54:23] Voice 5: yeah yeah when i go it's really hard to read the map yeah it's going to look like

[2:54:27] Voice 5: it was there was no actual asphalt paving being used so

[2:54:31] Voice 4: on the figure that's in the staff report

[2:54:34] Voice 4: figure two it's there's alphabetical annotations that show the materials for the cyclone and figure

[2:54:44] Voice 4: two of the staff report and

[2:54:46] Trustee Langereis: now there's a couple of concrete pavers and concrete i was looking for

[2:54:52] Trustee Langereis: the same thing and it is it was very hard to read the labeling

[2:54:55] Voice 5: on these yeah in the future you get

[2:54:58] Voice 5: to get something a little clearer the

[2:55:00] Trustee Langereis: diagrams are fine but the keys on a couple of them were

[2:55:05] Trustee Langereis: hard to follow yeah

[2:55:06] Voice 10: and what i want to know you know i'm not an expert on this on the substances

[2:55:11] Voice 10: but i want to know whether it's permeable or or not crushed

[2:55:14] Voice 4: gravel would be considered

[2:55:17] Voice 10: that's the vast majority of the parking space is under consideration

[2:55:20] Voice 4: that's for the entire parking

[2:55:23] Voice 4: that's what's indicated on the bigger team yeah

[2:55:25] Trustee Langereis: do you want to confirm that mr scott

[2:55:28] Voice 6: uh yes uh where we get to the um the east end of the parking areas um where there's uh accessible

[2:55:35] Voice 6: stalls it's going to be a finer uh crush um so that it works better for people in in wheelchairs

[2:55:41] Voice 6: or uh you know those kind of things um and that's going to be the the same it's kind of like the

[2:55:45] Voice 6: gravel cart path so it's a little less permeable than a more a course crush but that's for

[2:55:51] Voice 6: accessibility requirements thank you that's my

[2:55:54] Voice 2: second question okay

[2:55:56] Trustee Langereis: any other questions i have

[2:55:59] Trustee Langereis: a couple if nobody else does you

[2:56:01] Voice 11: go ahead so

[2:56:02] Trustee Langereis: i have a sort of a broad question um i'm a little

[2:56:09] Trustee Langereis: i was a little curious as i was reading this and thank you for the detail involvement i just i

[2:56:14] Trustee Langereis: I have a couple of questions about trees, but I'll come back to them.

[2:56:18] Trustee Langereis: I'm wondering why we're getting this now, given that you don't have any funding and the design and the actual size of the nature of the project may change depending on what kind of funding you got.

[2:56:36] Trustee Langereis: because my my sense would be is if they and i know it's always been an option you've always said this

[2:56:43] Trustee Langereis: you know they may only fund 12 uh we may not be able to do all 24 we may have to do in pieces

[2:56:50] Trustee Langereis: is the structure would change wouldn't you need to come back then with if the if the thing changed

[2:56:56] Trustee Langereis: if the design changed and the layout changed etc to get your dba way i

[2:57:01] Voice 12: was just sort

[2:57:01] Trustee Langereis: of curious as

[2:57:02] Trustee Langereis: to why we're getting it now when when we're not actually at the stage where you actually have

[2:57:10] Trustee Langereis: a funding commitment and are ready to move forward i mean there's even a section in the

[2:57:15] Trustee Langereis: staff report that says you can apply for a building permit well you aren't going to do that

[2:57:21] Trustee Langereis: theoretically i wouldn't think until you have some funding commitments so it's sort of a broad

[2:57:26] Trustee Langereis: general question yeah

[2:57:28] Voice 6: um um i'm

[2:57:31] Trustee Langereis: gonna give it to mr scott or miss miss miss pierce but i i can i

[2:57:34] Trustee Langereis: can start with you but i'm guessing it's probably better to ask them directly yeah

[2:57:38] Voice 4: i can speak to

[2:57:39] Voice 4: the staff report annotation around the building permit at least is that we're just letting you

[2:57:42] Voice 4: know that's the process we don't talk to the applicants about so you got enough money to do

[2:57:46] Voice 4: that no

[2:57:47] Trustee Langereis: no okay no no i get i get it so i'm just curious as to why we're seeing this because you

[2:57:52] Trustee Langereis: might have to reapply again i would have thought um

[2:57:55] Voice 6: yeah so really it's a um it's trying to be as

[2:58:00] Voice 6: shovel ready as possible um the housing society has been successful in some additional fundraising

[2:58:05] Voice 6: to allow us uh to proceed all the way through developing our construction drawings um so this

[2:58:11] Voice 6: is a key step in that process um last time the community housing fund they had sort of a double

[2:58:17] Voice 6: award where shovel ready projects were selected first and and got going much faster than the other

[2:58:23] Voice 6: projects um and i don't know if you've noticed there's been a recent uh premier who's spoken

[2:58:28] Voice 6: quite favorably about putting lots of money into housing um and um it's amazing how sometimes a

[2:58:34] Voice 6: project that's ready to go gets you know funded quickly and and gets off the ground so the more

[2:58:39] Voice 6: ready we're able to be the better if we're unsuccessful in getting all 24 units um approved

[2:58:45] Voice 6: the end and there is the potential that we'll have to come back and have an amended or a new

[2:58:49] Voice 6: development permit but presuming we get the full funding uh and potentially it happens quickly then

[2:58:54] Voice 6: we can proceed you know in a in a smooth way and having all

[2:58:58] Voice 6: those yeah

[2:58:59] Trustee Langereis: so i i guess that was my

[2:59:01] Trustee Langereis: question is so it's part of that whole rationale of where we move this through in a year is try to

[2:59:06] Trustee Langereis: get you as ready as possible i i didn't wouldn't have guessed that this was part of that but if

[2:59:11] Trustee Langereis: you tell

[2:59:12] Voice 6: me it is i understand thank you yeah because it's a you know if you can submit a

[2:59:16] Voice 6: proposal that says it's either you have your building permit in hand or it's building permit

[2:59:20] Voice 6: ready uh you're in a much better place and without a development permit you're not you haven't met

[2:59:25] Voice 6: that criteria yet okay

[2:59:27] Trustee Langereis: um i

[2:59:29] Voice 6: have a question

[2:59:29] Trustee Langereis: also about the um the draft tree plan because

[2:59:36] Trustee Langereis: because I had a tremendous difficulty

[2:59:37] Trustee Langereis: reading the labeling on it.

[2:59:39] Trustee Langereis: It's on page 59 of our package.

[2:59:43] Trustee Langereis: It's not sure what second it is.

[2:59:47] Trustee Langereis: And I just wonder if you could sort of just clarify for me,

[2:59:52] Trustee Langereis: I think there were three categories of threes,

[2:59:55] Trustee Langereis: those that are being left alone, those that are-

[3:00:00] Trustee Langereis: being protected and left alone and those that you think um need need to be removed and those that

[3:00:06] Trustee Langereis: you're you're going to assess after the fact to determine whether they have to be removed

[3:00:11] Trustee Langereis: am i getting that correct that there's four different categories um

[3:00:16] Voice 6: would it be helpful

[3:00:17] Voice 6: if i just pulled up on screen uh colored plan to talk to yeah that's

[3:00:23] Voice 6: the one i'm looking at

[3:00:24] Trustee Langereis: it's very hard for me it's on page 59. it's

[3:00:28] Voice 6: very hard for me to oh

[3:00:29] Trustee Langereis: do you have something else

[3:00:31] Trustee Langereis: different pull up yeah

[3:00:33] Voice 6: i just have something in a powerpoint i could pull up and it might be easier

[3:00:36] Voice 6: to do that yes

[3:00:38] Voice 2: you could yeah go ahead

[3:00:39] Voice 6: if you can do that go

[3:00:40] Voice 12: ahead yeah

[3:00:46] Trustee Langereis: that's the one we've

[3:00:47] Trustee Langereis: gone it's just we're very it's very hard for me to read that um that that key um

[3:00:53] Voice 6: yeah so we had

[3:00:56] Voice 6: we had gone through a process um uh early on in um in our design looking at where there might be

[3:01:04] Voice 6: significant existing large trees. The age of the stand is pretty uniform, but there were some that

[3:01:12] Voice 6: were more veteran than others. And so part of our thinking was, how might we avoid, you know,

[3:01:17] Voice 6: impact on too many of those? At the end of the day, there are some scattered throughout our

[3:01:22] Voice 6: development zone that we're just not able to retain. We did do then a survey of trees near

[3:01:28] Voice 6: our development and that's that's the second category those are existing uh you know those

[3:01:33] Voice 6: are existing trees we surveyed only above a certain you know size tree um and and then there's

[3:01:40] Voice 6: these orange trees that either have been identified because of their proximity to buildings or where

[3:01:48] Voice 6: we have to do grade changes uh where our you know our effort is to keep them um but obviously they

[3:01:53] Voice 6: need uh it depends a little bit on underground root structure um and what happens through the

[3:01:58] Voice 6: excavation process whether there's any kind of impact on the trees and requires a post

[3:02:04] Voice 6: excavation assessment by the um uh you know by the arborist you know our intent is to keep as

[3:02:10] Voice 6: many of them as we can um but you know there are you know a few things that are a little bit out

[3:02:14] Voice 6: of our control one example is in this zone here where we know there's a hydro pole somewhere there

[3:02:20] Voice 6: and an underground power line running you know towards uh the buildings um and so it's a bit

[3:02:27] Voice 6: dependent on hydro whether we can keep those two trees and you know i could explain all the

[3:02:32] Voice 6: different trees too but that's the general uh item these ones are the ones that are a little

[3:02:36] Voice 6: bit more kind of root rot we have a trail going through so partly it's a safety assessment you

[3:02:40] Voice 6: know through that zone um so it's just being really clear that you know that there may be some

[3:02:46] Voice 6: scattered removal of trees within this tree protection zone because of uh

[3:02:50] Voice 6: because of those tree conditions ultimately and

[3:02:53] Trustee Langereis: so as i read that if we go to the middle

[3:02:56] Trustee Langereis: of the development and there's a hexagon or um yeah that one it looks like all of those trees

[3:03:03] Trustee Langereis: are

[3:03:03] Voice 6: potentially a risk exactly um you know and that's a combination of you know of safety and

[3:03:10] Voice 6: other factors we've tried to leave that cluster as large as we can and we're pretty confident we'll

[3:03:16] Voice 6: be able to keep it um but you know but we do have to assess the final conditions we have through the

[3:03:21] Voice 6: center of the site you know a sort of a utility channel you know which compresses it on one edge

[3:03:26] Voice 6: the parking on the other but with careful work we we should be able to retain that stand and it's

[3:03:31] Voice 6: really important you know for the overall feel of the site as well as you know uh you know for

[3:03:36] Voice 6: the society and having that kind of that green sort of middle of the of the site which was always

[3:03:41] Voice 6: our intent and

[3:03:42] Trustee Langereis: and somewhere along the line that i think that uh this is sort of a question for the

[3:03:47] Trustee Langereis: planner and for yourselves there's a provision in the development permit that that after they

[3:03:53] Trustee Langereis: that post construction they go back and assess all of these with an arborist is that right

[3:03:58] Trustee Langereis: and then one other just have one other question for the planner um on page 107 just want to be

[3:04:05] Trustee Langereis: clear uh i just i i couldn't the second bullet on page 107 which is appendix mr scott appendix a to

[3:04:15] Trustee Langereis: the ecorra report it says retaining a qualified environmental professional as required by the

[3:04:24] Trustee Langereis: islands trust to further develop an impact assessment and accompanying community construction

[3:04:29] Trustee Langereis: environmental management plan can you tell me where what how that would look and what the how

[3:04:35] Trustee Langereis: that would play out and how the islands trust would be involved in that or is that already

[3:04:39] Trustee Langereis: already built into the DP sorry

[3:04:41] Voice 4: I'm just referencing the bullets the

[3:04:44] Trustee Langereis: second bullet on page 107 which

[3:04:46] Trustee Langereis: is Appendix A

[3:04:46] Voice 2: to the Cora plan oh

[3:05:13] Voice 4: the draft development permit that's a new package doesn't

[3:05:17] Voice 4: specify an impact a requirement for an impact assessment

[3:05:21] Voice 2: it's not a condition of it's not a

[3:05:36] Voice 2: guideline

[3:05:36] Voice 4: that needs to be met in the draft or in the development permit area number 11. so it could

[3:05:46] Voice 4: just think about the ability to include that as a condition at this point it's

[3:06:00] Voice 2: not currently a

[3:06:01] Voice 2: requirement see

[3:06:05] Trustee Langereis: my i mean sorry my reading of the development permit is that the environmental

[3:06:11] Trustee Langereis: assessment report was basically attached as part of and said here's you know this you've got to do

[3:06:17] Trustee Langereis: what's in the environment and then you spelled out the specifics this is the only one that talks

[3:06:21] Trustee Langereis: It talks about, you know, if as required by the Eklund's Trust, and then I was trying to find it in the...

[3:06:28] Trustee Langereis: It's not required.

[3:06:30] Voice 4: So for you to add that at this point in time in the draft DP, I just need to double check the DP 11 guidelines to confirm that you have that ability to add additional conditions.

[3:06:46] Voice 4: conditions and I think that is in the in the development permit area but there could be other

[3:06:50] Voice 4: conditions that quote is okay and

[3:06:54] Trustee Langereis: I'm quite happy to hear from the applicant as to what they think

[3:06:58] Trustee Langereis: about that insert interesting language

[3:06:59] Voice 5: it's it's a spin-off from that and that's the one that I

[3:07:04] Voice 5: assumed that that would somehow relate to the development approval information by law

[3:07:10] Voice 5: But it doesn't allow for other additional elements that could be required by the local

[3:07:17] Voice 5: trust committee.

[3:07:17] Voice 5: But this is the issue already before is that I don't see the Development Improvement Information

[3:07:22] Voice 5: By-law applying right now to the DP-11.

[3:07:25] Voice 1: And

[3:07:26] Voice 5: that I would think that this would be conditional upon the Development Improvement

[3:07:30] Voice 5: Information By-law being in effect for that DP-11.

[3:07:34] Voice 2: Which it likely isn't because it hasn't been amended.

[3:07:37] Voice 2: it's um section f1139

[3:07:48] Voice 4: i'm on page 53 of your agenda package okay

[3:07:58] Voice 2: second let me get there f11

[3:08:03] Voice 4: 3.9 11

[3:08:05] Trustee Langereis: 3.9 additional conditions will include a development permit to incorporate any qualified

[3:08:10] Trustee Langereis: like a question yeah so

[3:08:11] Voice 4: you could um guess the impact assessment okay requirements and we can

[3:08:20] draft

[3:08:20] Voice 4: some wording for your consideration um

[3:08:24] Trustee Langereis: be great to be able to issue this um uh mr scott or

[3:08:30] Trustee Langereis: ms pierce do you either of you want to uh address that my question or the response um

[3:08:38] Voice 6: i think uh

[3:08:39] Voice 6: a construction environmental management plan is is um something that's often um contemplated and

[3:08:46] Voice 6: done and and i think we'd be happy to do that you know covering the issues that are um you know

[3:08:52] Voice 6: there around what kind of monitoring is required um you know erosion and sedimentation control

[3:08:58] Voice 6: which is following you know best practices equipment maintenance and fueling uh those

[3:09:02] Voice 6: kind of things um you know our intent is our active involvement with this project is you know

[3:09:09] Voice 6: it's going to be uh you know it's going to be the arborist but having the environmental professional

[3:09:13] Voice 6: also you know confirm that they're following the best practices and there's a plan in place

[3:09:18] Voice 6: for the contractors it does make a lot of sense to me great

[3:09:21] Trustee Langereis: uh thanks very much and i guess we

[3:09:24] Trustee Langereis: could add it would you add it into the actual development permit or does it doesn't do it by

[3:09:31] Trustee Langereis: the way that that it's that schedule g the assessment is is attached as it's consistent

[3:09:37] Trustee Langereis: with well is that enough to incorporate it so

[3:09:40] Voice 4: if you look at the draft permit on page 54. yeah

[3:09:44] Voice 4: uh right now condition d is a detailed tree assessment right by the professional numbers so

[3:09:51] Voice 4: recommend that you would have a new condition added after d for me okay all

[3:09:57] Trustee Langereis: right so can we

[3:09:59] Trustee Langereis: just amend that yeah

[3:10:01] Voice 4: this is why it's a job so that we can okay

[3:10:03] Trustee Langereis: so i propose we add a condition e

[3:10:07] Trustee Langereis: uh where's the language

[3:10:10] Voice 12: on 107 now i've lost it that um they

[3:10:18] Trustee Langereis: that they retain a qualified

[3:10:20] Trustee Langereis: environmental professional to further develop an impact assessment and accompanying

[3:10:25] Trustee Langereis: and accompanying construction environmental

[3:10:28] Voice 2: management plan.

[3:10:37] Voice 2: Yeah, sorry.

[3:10:41] Voice 4: To

[3:10:42] Trustee Langereis: further develop

[3:10:43] Trustee Langereis: an impact assessment and accompanying

[3:10:49] Trustee Langereis: construction environmental

[3:10:52] Trustee Langereis: management plan.

[3:10:56] Voice 10: So currently there will only be a QAP

[3:10:58] Voice 10: if any activities take place outside of certain windows. So this would be

[3:11:03] Trustee Langereis: yeah i think it's the construction so they get a qp but yeah right now there's a qp

[3:11:09] Trustee Langereis: regarding bird habitat i think um the way i understood it anyway um so i'll second that for

[3:11:19] Trustee Langereis: sure okay so okay okay all in favor that passes unanimously thanks very much for that those are

[3:11:27] Trustee Langereis: my questions related to the development program thank you for the work

[3:11:30] Voice 5: i just have the one final

[3:11:32] Voice 5: question, which is about the DAI. Does it apply to this application or not?

[3:11:37] Voice 4: I don't think so.

[3:11:39] Voice 5: What's the purpose of the DAI?

[3:11:41] Voice 4: Well, it has to be updated regularly to reflect new development permit areas. So again, this is part of the administrative keeping on top of these changes as there's a new development permit area introduced and adopted, likely what we should have

[3:11:54] Voice 4: incorporated at the same time as an amendment to your DAI.

[3:11:58] Voice 4: so when this new development perimeter is adopted immediately it's reflected could

[3:12:03] Voice 5: also just i think

[3:12:04] Voice 5: apply to the madrona development that occurred years ago it's missing about three yeah so it's

[3:12:10] Voice 4: over there i think

[3:12:12] Trustee Langereis: it's on there i think it's on the project list isn't it i think you've been

[3:12:15] Voice 12: pushing

[3:12:15] Trustee Langereis: you've been pushing 11 now you've been pushing to update it for a couple years as i

[3:12:20] Trustee Langereis: recall yeah

[3:12:21] Voice 4: i think it's really just a resourcing issue it

[3:12:25] Trustee Langereis: just needs to get done

[3:12:27] Trustee Langereis: Um, well, if there's no other questions, uh, I didn't ask the applicants if you wish to

[3:12:33] Trustee Langereis: actually address anything in the report beyond what we've asked you, um, before we move to

[3:12:39] Trustee Langereis: it.

[3:12:39] Trustee Langereis: I see no, nothing from Mr. Scott.

[3:12:41] Trustee Langereis: Ms. Pierce, do you want to say anything?

[3:12:43] Voice 4: Um, no, thanks.

[3:12:44] Voice 4: No, I'm happy with where we are.

[3:12:46] Voice 4: Thanks.

[3:12:46] Voice 4: Good.

[3:12:47] Trustee Langereis: So if there's some motions.

[3:12:48] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:12:49] Voice 10: I'll move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee approved issuance of developed permit

[3:12:54] Voice 10: permit GBDP 2022.2 as amended Gabriel housing society

[3:13:00] Trustee Langereis: seconded any further discussions all

[3:13:04] Trustee Langereis: in favor that passes unanimously

[3:13:05] Voice 10: I'll move that the Gabriel Island local trust committee approved

[3:13:09] Voice 10: issuance of development variance permit GV DVP 2022.6 we did not amend that correct so Gabriel

[3:13:17] Voice 10: housing society

[3:13:18] Trustee Langereis: seconded all in favor that passes unanimously thank you very much for all of your

[3:13:25] Trustee Langereis: good work and i i do i will say having voted for this uh throughout that i'm i'll be rooting for

[3:13:31] Trustee Langereis: you uh hopefully with your various applications even though i have also been involved in three

[3:13:37] Trustee Langereis: other affordable housing projects and i know you're all working together now um and uh and i

[3:13:44] Trustee Langereis: think that's great there's been a lot of discussion and cooperation and i appreciate all the work

[3:13:49] Trustee Langereis: with that you have gone through to to meet our standards so take care good luck thank you

[3:13:59] Trustee Langereis: okay uh next item on the agenda we don't have any projects report delegations correspondence

[3:14:05] Trustee Langereis: this would have been where those the correspondence we're talking about would have gone and then we're

[3:14:10] Trustee Langereis: at item 12 which is on page 122 which is a recommendation from trustee laundries related to

[3:14:20] Trustee Langereis: apc membership thresholds yeah actually a quorum threshold

[3:14:25] Voice 5: yeah it's a positive i came across

[3:14:28] Voice 5: it didn't make sense to me that it says a lesser of three or uh 50 so if you have it we allow for

[3:14:38] Voice 5: a nine member apc so essentially you can have three members meet and they would have a quorum

[3:14:43] Voice 5: to make decisions and that to me doesn't make sense when trust council uses 50

[3:14:48] Voice 5: 50% local custom is majority and executive is the majority.

[3:14:53] Voice 5: And then I did a scan of the other trust areas

[3:14:57] Voice 5: and Southern region and Salisbury all used 50%.

[3:15:01] Voice 5: And then Cape Verola and the Northern region

[3:15:05] Voice 5: were later changing.

[3:15:07] Voice 5: This is not a change from the bylaw that was replaced.

[3:15:12] Voice 5: The prior one also said the lesser,

[3:15:15] Voice 5: so it goes back a few years,

[3:15:17] Voice 5: But it doesn't make sense to me to say three out of nine can form a quorum for a small

[3:15:25] Voice 5: group.

[3:15:26] Voice 5: I think it should be 50% or a majority.

[3:15:29] Voice 5: And I think when we've had commission meetings, we only talk about that we have a quorum and

[3:15:35] Voice 5: we never say, well, it's only three of us who are fine.

[3:15:37] Voice 5: We're usually thinking in terms of 50% or I think a majority is .

[3:15:41] Voice 5: the

[3:15:41] Voice 2: comment i was

[3:15:42] Voice 5: thinking at the time i've never heard anyone say oh we're fine at three

[3:15:47] Voice 5: so i think it's just a lack of understanding as to what the norm is and i don't understand

[3:15:53] Voice 5: why it went to three this probably goes back a lot of years i don't know i

[3:15:58] Voice 4: don't have any

[3:15:58] Voice 4: history on the national line but we do we do pay attention to quorum and the numbers

[3:16:03] Voice 4: it just

[3:16:07] Voice 5: seems to be more consistent with everything else that we use

[3:16:11] Voice 5: at least fifty percent if it's seven people fifty percent would be uh four if it's eight would be

[3:16:19] Voice 5: four if you have a majority and this goes up by one but there's an even number

[3:16:23] Voice 2: i

[3:16:25] Voice 5: don't know what

[3:16:25] Voice 5: others feel about it it should be a simple fix it's not it's not a matter of doing any research

[3:16:30] Voice 5: it's just a matter of changing the bylaw and when i was in government if you change the regulation

[3:16:36] Voice 5: you could do it in a couple hours just get the approval and get it done and it's not a lot of

[3:16:41] Voice 5: thinking behind it necessarily there

[3:16:44] Voice 2: was a concept yeah oh how long was i muted well

[3:18:48] Trustee Langereis: like it must

[3:18:50] Trustee Langereis: have been after after the gabriel housing because i was talking to them um i took us off a mute i

[3:19:00] Trustee Langereis: don't know why i went back on mute anyway nothing i can do about it

[3:19:06] Trustee Langereis: now uh the applications report

[3:19:09] Trustee Langereis: Is there anything that anybody wishes to ask the planner related to any of the applications?

[3:19:18] Voice 10: You know there's one list that is still being active with Heather Coward who's no longer with the organization.

[3:19:26] Voice 10: That was the only note I had on it. That was page 132,

[3:19:35] Voice 2: 2017.2.

[3:19:38] Voice 2: yes it's subdivision registration yeah anyway it'll get updated

[3:19:50] Trustee Langereis: okay if there's nothing to ask questions on then we're on to expense report it's here for

[3:19:55] Trustee Langereis: information thank you for keeping your expenses low keep us under budget uh you and main island

[3:20:03] Trustee Langereis: both were zero uh they are always zero uh adopted instead policy standing resolution we have a new

[3:20:10] Trustee Langereis: one is there anything related to the existing ones that anybody wishes to talk about

[3:20:14] Voice 5: one question

[3:20:16] Voice 5: should there be on the list uh any resolution about adoption of the cell tower oil cell tower

[3:20:24] Voice 5: there it used to be a motion standing resolution for the 2010 and then back in january 2020 i think

[3:20:32] Voice 5: we it was adopted but i'm assuming that by a standing resolution so that should really be on the

[3:20:41] Voice 5: um

[3:20:43] Voice 4: i think it's because you've adopted that model that's the protocol the protocol that's

[3:20:50] Voice 4: the direction that staff has so

[3:20:53] Voice 5: it doesn't do the standing resolution it's a resolution

[3:20:56] Voice 4: of the ltc that you endorse that protocol with the model right so

[3:21:01] Voice 5: that's the difference

[3:21:02] Voice 5: between the 2010 which is always a standing resolution right

[3:21:07] Voice 4: very

[3:21:07] Voice 1: nice thanks

[3:21:08] Trustee Langereis: and we have our we have our top priorities report i know that we

[3:21:13] Trustee Langereis: had one recommendation from the um second uh housing the house was the housing group that

[3:21:26] Trustee Langereis: we move the ocp review to the top of the top priorities list um i actually don't even see

[3:21:34] Trustee Langereis: it here well

[3:21:35] Voice 5: it's part of the redoing of the the uh the change we put forward for uh

[3:21:44] Trustee Langereis: business case

[3:21:45] Voice 5: we put it in the in the in one of the priorities it says number three but really

[3:21:49] Voice 5: i think the three priorities are just three priorities they're not necessarily one two and

[3:21:53] Voice 5: three being in priority themselves plus the ocp review would not be done locally it would be done

[3:21:58] Voice 5: of the regional planning team it's a large project it would not be in a local project

[3:22:05] Voice 5: but you

[3:22:05] Voice 10: could still have it as a top priority project

[3:22:07] Voice 5: yeah the responsible

[3:22:08] Voice 10: regional planning

[3:22:13] Voice 5: well i thought

[3:22:14] Trustee Langereis: we did too but it's not here i thought we did because they were we i thought

[3:22:18] Trustee Langereis: we reorganized these uh in the last meeting and i'm sorry i should look at the last meeting

[3:22:28] Voice 5: It was the Ecozone, the DAI, and the OCP review.

[3:22:35] Voice 5: And

[3:22:36] Trustee Langereis: what's here is the density outreach program.

[3:22:38] Voice 5: Yeah,

[3:22:38] Voice 4: it just hasn't been updated.

[3:22:40] Trustee Langereis: Okay, but we do have the OCP here.

[3:22:43] Trustee Langereis: And I agree with Trustee Langer,

[3:22:45] Trustee Langereis: the fact that they're listed 1, 2, 3

[3:22:48] Trustee Langereis: doesn't mean that there's any priority to them.

[3:22:51] Trustee Langereis: It's really about when the LTC activates

[3:22:53] Trustee Langereis: and when they're ready to go.

[3:22:55] Trustee Langereis: yeah

[3:22:55] Voice 4: the direction from the ltc at the last meeting was clear it just hasn't been incorporated okay

[3:23:00] Trustee Langereis: thank you okay uh and we i know we shortened down this project but i don't think it's been updated

[3:23:07] Trustee Langereis: either no uh the projects report because we took a few things off and consolidated them so that's

[3:23:12] Trustee Langereis: a project that you can that staff can work around um so there's nothing else then the next meeting

[3:23:19] Trustee Langereis: meeting is scheduled for Thursday December the first I haven't seen anything to indicate that

[3:23:25] Trustee Langereis: that was not planned to go ahead it

[3:23:28] Voice 4: is

[3:23:29] Trustee Langereis: planned to go ahead okay so uh there you go that's your next

[3:23:34] Trustee Langereis: meeting of the LTC uh with your so the new chair will be assigned and vice chair a chair and and

[3:23:42] Trustee Langereis: two of our members of our audience will be sitting up here uh

[3:23:46] Trustee Langereis: in some fashion or some

[3:23:48] Trustee Langereis: somewhere they may decide to sit in the round

[3:23:50] Voice 1: or

[3:23:51] Trustee Langereis: have a have a talking circle or do it in the

[3:23:56] Trustee Langereis: evening or do it in the evening or something of that nature and

[3:23:59] Voice 5: if you feel so inclined you could

[3:24:02] Voice 5: come and join

[3:24:02] Trustee Langereis: i may zoom in yes so

[3:24:09] Voice 4: it appears the sound uh broke out regarding your entire

[3:24:13] Voice 4: resolution around the apc bylaw change so if you wanted to spend just 20 seconds to quickly read

[3:24:19] Voice 4: out the resolution that you passed regarding the apc bylaw for the purposes of the audio

[3:24:23] Voice 4: oh

[3:24:24] Trustee Langereis: um uh well if i could just say okay we can read it for the audio um do you want to read

[3:24:31] Trustee Langereis: your motion again and this motion was passed uh related to apc quorums uh and you can find it

[3:24:39] Trustee Langereis: it anybody who's watching you can find it on page 122 of the package but go ahead trustee

[3:24:46] Trustee Langereis: london i can read it it just says that the gabriel local trust committee request staff

[3:24:51] Trustee Langereis: prepare an amendment to the text of section 6b of bylaw number 296 by striking out the words

[3:24:58] Trustee Langereis: the lesser of three members or uh and the rationale given was that uh it should be a

[3:25:05] Trustee Langereis: majority of any of any committee size as opposed to just three members making it making a decision

[3:25:11] Trustee Langereis: or determination from an apc um that would be a decision finally whether incorporate that in them

[3:25:18] Trustee Langereis: in the next ltc because there'll be a staff report coming back to the next meeting okay

[3:25:24] Trustee Langereis: okay at some meeting in the future may not be december the first because that's fairly soon

[3:25:32] Trustee Langereis: So that's our next meeting we do we really have to go into close meeting.

[3:25:36] Trustee Langereis: All we're doing is adopting minutes are we

[3:25:39] Voice 4: that's important.

[3:25:40] Voice 4: I

[3:25:40] Trustee Langereis: know it is but it is important but I I really okay.

[3:25:49] Trustee Langereis: Then we're going to end this meeting and we'll do a quick close meeting at the end of that.

[3:25:57] Trustee Langereis: We just say thank you very much for everybody attending.

[3:25:58] Trustee Langereis: uh it's been my pleasure our pleasure and uh we're going to adjourn and close the meetings

[3:26:06] Trustee Langereis: and

[3:26:06] Voice 5: the meeting when we didn't rise and report as well

[3:26:08] Trustee Langereis: um otherwise the new committee has to do it

[3:26:12] Trustee Langereis: i think the new committee is going to have to do it oh no we can recall the order

[3:26:16] Trustee Langereis: yeah

[3:26:17] Voice 2: but

[3:26:19] Trustee Langereis: then everybody has to leave and i want to say goodbye

[3:26:25] Voice 4: I'm

[3:26:25] Trustee Langereis: going to recess I'm going to get the closed meeting we're going to we're going to call it

[3:26:32] Trustee Langereis: we're going to do our 30 seconds worth of business and then we're going to recall and

[3:26:38] Trustee Langereis: I'll announce but I don't want to come back I guess I could just shut the camera and everything

[3:26:42] Trustee Langereis: on okay so we're going to do that and so can I have a motion to close the meeting

[3:26:49] Trustee Langereis: I do.

[3:26:51] Voice 10: I view that the meeting be closed in public

[3:26:54] Voice 10: in accordance with the Community Charter,

[3:26:55] Voice 10: Part 4, Division 3, Section 91D,

[3:26:57] Voice 10: for the purpose of considering adoption

[3:26:59] Voice 10: of the Camelon Meeting,

[3:26:59] Voice 10: as stated in September 29, 2022,

[3:27:02] Voice 10: and as a recorder

[3:27:03] Voice 2: and staff attendant.

[3:27:04] Voice 2: Thank you very much.

[3:27:05] Voice 2: One second.

[3:27:05] Voice 2: I'd like to just adjourn briefly.

[3:27:12] Voice 2: I'll come back and report the outcome of that,

[3:27:15] Voice 2: and then we'll end the Zoom.

[3:33:30] Trustee Langereis: much anybody who's still watching and we are just to advise we adopted the in-camera minutes of

[3:33:37] Trustee Langereis: september the 29th and with that we are adjourning the regular meeting of october 27th with thanks

[3:33:44] Trustee Langereis: to anybody watching and we're adjourned take care so long thanks for

[3:33:48] Trustee Langereis: listening thanks for all the

[3:33:49] Voice 1: We'll

[3:33:49] Trustee Langereis: be right back.

ADOPTED 
Gabriola Island ADOPTED 1 
Local Trust Committee Minutes 
October 27, 2022 
 
Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
October 27, 2022 
Gabriola Arts & Heritage Centre 
476 South Road, Gabriola Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Dan Rogers, Chair 
 Kees Langereis, Local Trustee 
 Scott Colbourne, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Sonja Zupanec, Acting Regional Planning Manager 
Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager 
 Nadine Mourao, Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were approximately twelve (12) members of the public and one (1) 
member of the media in attendance. 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
“Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Rogers called the meeting to order at 10:32 am, welcomed the public and introduced 
Trustees, Staff and Recorder.  Chair Rogers, Trustee Colbourne and Trustee Langereis 
acknowledged that the meeting was being held in the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. RISE AND REPORT - Closed Meeting September 29, 2022 
The Gabriola Local Trust Committee appointed Jack Woodward, Laurie Jackson, and Kathryn 
Berge to the Board of Variance for the Gabriola Island Local Trust Area for a three-year term 
effective September 29, 2022. 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Colbourne reported the following and his attendance at the following meetings 
and events: 
 Petroglyph events, thanked Gabriola Museum and Snuneymuxw First Nations Elders 
for their work; and 
 Health and Wellness Collaborative workshop. 
 
Trustee Langereis reported the following and his attendance at the following meetings 
and events: 
 Petroglyph ceremony at Gabriola Museum; and 
 Congratulated incoming Trustees Susan Yates and Tobi Elliot.  

ADOPTED 
Gabriola Island ADOPTED 2 
Local Trust Committee Minutes 
October 27, 2022 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Rogers reported the following:  
 Acknowledged and thanked everyone for the privilege of being Chair on Gabriola; 
 Thanked Staff for their work; 
 15 new Trustees and 11 returning Trustees elected in recent election; 
 Trust Council will be on November 17, 2022 when Trustees will be sworn in; and 
 New Islands Trust Executive and representatives of Islands Trust Conservancy will be 
chosen on November 19, 2022. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Vanessa Craig, Regional District of Nanaimo (RDN) Electoral Area B summarized the 
report and noted the following: 
 Thanked Trustees for their work over the last 4 years; 
 Huxley Park shade structures installed and installation of fencing to commence 
soon; 
 A tree planting party is scheduled for the end of November for Huxley Park; 
 Parks and Open Space Advisory Committee (POSAC) meeting November 28, 2022 at 
the 6:30 pm at Agricultural Hall; 
 Re-doing the alternative approve process for Little Qualicum River Regional Park; 
 Applying for a grant for Fuel Management Prescription report for Descanso Bay 
Regional Park and Cox Community Parks; 
 Increasing rebates for wood stove exchanges or alternative heating; and 
 RDN Board meeting November 8, 2022. 
4.4 First Nation Reports - none 
5. TOWN HALL 
A member of the public supported a census to identify how many residents were living in illegal 
dwellings on Gabriola as they consider the suspension of enforcement on illegal dwellings. They 
noted the previous enforcement suspension of a bylaw on April 11, 2019, when the LTC 
suspended bylaw enforcement of public markets due to a conflict in community around long 
standing and essential avenues of public life, urged Trustees to support the suspension of 
enforcement for non-compliant dwellings to remove barriers to community’s essential functions 
while working to improve them. 
A member of the public supported the deferment of bylaw enforcement on non-compliant 
dwellings and noted that a 2 year deferment was not adequate as many dwellings will never be 
compliant with bylaw as it currently stands.  The bylaw needs to be updated to reflect the needs 
of the community. 
A member of the public thanked Trustees for their leadership and encouraged them to take 
action on the deferment of enforcement for non-compliant dwellings. There has been 
community commentary, as well as, Housing Advisory Planning Commission (HAPC) and the 
Advisory Planning Commission (APC) referrals, which have provided community feedback. 
Supported an Official Community Plan (OCP) review to bring OCP up to current context with 
current challenges. 
A member of the public noted class issue of people living in substandard, alternative non-
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benefitting from and pushing institutional housing. Requested a census to examine the issue 
and advocacy for those experiencing housing insecurity. 
o Trustees noted that People for a Healthy Community (PHC) and Angela Pounds, Community 
Social Worker did a report on the critically unhoused and those in substandard housing a 
few years ago, however, an updated report was needed to reflect current conditions and 
housing emergency. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated July 28, 2022 - for adoption - to be distributed 
The following amendments to the minutes dated July 28, 2022 were presented for 
consideration: 
 Page 2, Trustee Langereis reported on the following, 2
nd
 bullet, replace “reburial 
site” with “green burial site”; and 
 Page 5, 8.1 GB-DVP-2022.2, replace “two density zones” with “split density zones”. 
By general consent the minutes were adopted as amended. 
6.2 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated September 29, 2022 – for adoption - to be 
distributed 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of September 29, 2022 
were adopted. 
Trustees interested in generic correspondence received being included in next agenda 
package and reminded the public to address correspondence to 2 or more Trustees for 
inclusion as correspondence to the LTC. 
6.3 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting - none 
6.4 Advisory Planning Commission DRAFT Minutes dated October 17, 2022 - for receipt 
  Received. 
6.5 Housing Advisory Planning Commission DRAFT Minutes dated October 18, 2022 - for 
receipt 
  Received. 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List dated October 18, 2022 
  Received.  
7.2 Draft Standing Resolution on Enforcement of Non-Compliant Dwellings - for discussion 
After reviewing correspondence, HAPC and APC minutes, Town Hall commentary and all 
feedback, Trustees Langereis and Colbourne put forward alternate motions for 
consideration. 
PROPOSED MOTION 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee formally consults the community on the 
intent and wording of the following draft standing resolution, including consideration of 
any sunset clause to the resolution:   

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That, subject to section 2, bylaw enforcement staff defer enforcement on the unlawful 
residential use of a building on a lot if, on the date the resolution is adopted,   
a) the building is occupied as a residence, and  
b) enforcement would cause undue hardship to the occupants of the building.  
That bylaw enforcement staff undertake enforcement action on unlawful residential use 
of a building if:   
a) there is more than one unlawful residential use on the lot, or  
b) enforcement staff reasonably determine:  
i. there is a risk of danger to the health and safety of the occupants,   
ii. that sewage is not being disposed of in an approved septic or sewage 
disposal system,   
iii. that use of the septic or sewage disposal system connected to the building 
exceeds the sewage system’s capacity, or  
iv. there is sewage contamination of wells, streams or other nearby 
waterways.  
That this standing resolution does not override enforcement for contravention of other 
provisions of the land use bylaws.    
That the local trust committee periodically request statistics from enforcement staff on 
the number of complaints and deferrals to ascertain the effectiveness of the bylaw 
enforcement deferral. 
POSTPONED 
PROPOSED MOTION 
a) that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee note that given the lack of housing 
options on Gabriola, Bylaw Staff will defer enforcement on all existing non-
compliant dwellings being used for residential purposes except in the following 
circumstances:  
i. It is determined that there are risks to health and safety; 
ii. It is determined that sewage is not being disposed of in an approved septic 
or sewage disposal system; or that septic or sewage disposal systems are 
beings used in excess of capacity or ability as a result of non-compliant 
dwellings; 
iii. It is determined that there is contamination of wells or other drinking water 
sources;  
iv. Non-permitted residential uses are in environmentally sensitive areas;  
v. That the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee may give direction to 
resume enforcement on activities on any property that poses risk to the 
health and safety of residents. 
b) Nothing in this enforcement policy should be interpreted as giving permission to 
violate the Land Use Bylaw and the Gabriola Island Trust Committee may change 
this policy at any time and may give direction to expand enforcement activities at 
any time. 
c) The Gabriola Local Trust Committee will review this standing resolution at a 
minimum of once per year with updates from the Bylaw Compliance and 
Enforcement Manager to measure results and impacts, as amended. 
POSTPONED 
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 Interested in more community consultation; 
 Concerned with potential impacts and damage to environment and people; 
 Concerned with additional discretionary pressure on enforcement Staff; 
 Interested in moving forward and not deferring motion; 
 LTC has received community and Advisory Committee feedback, hoped to pass 
Standing Resolution to protect people and environment, while moving forward with 
an OCP review; 
 Incoming LTC may reverse Standing Resolution if they do not support; 
 Supported concept of: complaint, deferral of enforcement, report to LTC and LTC 
make a decision; 
 Requested adding water zones to item iv. of the second proposed motion; 
 The second proposed motion did include trailers, felt no reason to distinguish from 
other non-compliant dwellings; 
 Residential use for a building is a more accurate description rather than non-
compliant dwelling; 
 Dwelling included all types of residences, even those that are not considered a 
“building”; 
 The second proposed motion addresses most of LTC concerns; 
 Supported the word “existing” so as not to incur new non-compliant situations; 
 Standing Resolution is only part of the solution to address housing crisis; and 
 Reminded public about the Density Donation Project. 
 
GB-2022-085 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Local Trust Committee formally consults the community on the intent 
and wording of the following draft standing resolution, including consideration of any 
sunset clause to the resolution:  
That, subject to section 2, bylaw enforcement staff defer enforcement on the unlawful 
residential use of a building on a lot if, on the date the resolution is adopted,   
a. the building is occupied as a residence, and  
b. enforcement would cause undue hardship to the occupants of the building.  
 
That bylaw enforcement staff undertake enforcement action on unlawful residential use 
of a building if: 
a. there is more than one unlawful residential use on the lot, or  
b. enforcement staff reasonably determine:  
i. there is a risk of danger to the health and safety of the occupants,   
ii. that sewage is not being disposed of in an approved septic or sewage 
disposal system,   
iii. that use of the septic or sewage disposal system connected to the building 
exceeds the sewage system’s capacity, or  
iv. there is sewage contamination of wells, streams or other nearby 
waterways.  
That this standing resolution does not override enforcement for contravention of other 
provisions of the land use bylaws.   

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That the local trust committee periodically request statistics from enforcement staff on 
the number of complaints and deferrals to ascertain the effectiveness of the bylaw 
enforcement deferral.”  
DEFEATED 
GB-2022-086 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request Staff amend the Standing 
Resolution on Enforcement of Non-Compliant Dwellings, item v. “That the Gabriola 
Island Local Trust Committee may give direction to resume enforcement on activities on 
any property that poses risk to the health and safety of residents” adding the words “or 
to the environment” to the end of the sentence. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Langereis Opposed 
GB-2022-087 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request Staff amend the Standing 
Resolution on Enforcement of Non-Compliant Dwellings, item iv., replace with “Non-
permitted residential uses are in water zones or environmentally sensitive areas.” 
CARRIED 
GB-2022-088 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request Staff amend the Standing 
Resolution on Enforcement of Non-Compliant Dwellings add item d.) that the Gabriola 
Local Trust Committee recommend to the incoming Gabriola Local Trust Committee that 
it conduct a community consultation regarding the Standing Resolution. 
CARRIED 
GB-2022-089 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
a) that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee note that given the lack of housing 
options on Gabriola, Bylaw Staff will defer enforcement on all existing non-
compliant dwellings being used for residential purposes except in the following 
circumstances:  
i. It is determined that there are risks to health and safety; 
ii. It is determined that sewage is not being disposed of in an approved septic 
or sewage disposal system; or that septic or sewage disposal systems are 
beings used in excess of capacity or ability as a result of non-compliant 
dwellings; 
iii. It is determined that there is contamination of wells or other drinking water 
sources;  
iv. Non-permitted residential uses are in water zones or environmentally 
sensitive areas;  
v. That the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee may give direction to 
resume enforcement on activities on any property that poses risk to the 
health and safety of residents or to the environment. 
b) Nothing in this enforcement policy should be interpreted as giving permission to 
violate the Land Use Bylaw and the Gabriola Island Trust Committee may change 
this policy at any time and may give direction to expand enforcement activities at 
any time. 

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c) The Gabriola Local Trust Committee will review this standing resolution at a 
minimum of once per year with updates from the Bylaw Compliance and 
Enforcement Manager to measure results and impacts, as amended. 
d) That the Gabriola Local Trust Committee recommend to the incoming Gabriola Local 
Trust Committee that it conduct a community consultation regarding the Standing 
Resolution.  
CARRIED 
Trustee Langereis Opposed 
By general consent the meeting was recessed at 12:39 pm and reconvened at 1:15 pm. 
7.3 Response Letter to the Local Trust Committee dated October 13, 2022 from TELUS 
regarding Herbicide use on Gabriola Island 
  Received. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 GB-DVP-2022.6 and GB-DP-2022.2 - (Gabriola Housing Society) - Staff Report  
Acting Planning Manager Zupanec summarized the report which introduced a combined 
Development Permit (DP) and Development Variance Permit (DVP) application for LTC 
consideration. 
 
  Trustees noted the following: 
 Interested in a qualified environmental professional to develop impact assessment 
plan and a construction management plan. 
  Ian Scott, representative of the applicant noted: 
 The septic disposal waste water field area may reduce the calculated forest 
retention area based on recommendation from arborist post-installation, due to 
area root rot etc.; 
 Parking area material is permeable crushed gravel; 
 Interested in being as “shovel ready” as possible to be in best position to obtain 
funding; and 
 Intention of site plan is to leave clusters of trees in development area, however, will 
need post development arborist assessment to assess root structure and condition. 
GB-2022-090 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Add condition e) that they retain a 
qualified environmental professional to further develop an impact assessment and 
accompanying construction management plan to Development Permit GB-DP-2022.2 
(Gabriola Housing Society). 
CARRIED 
GB-2022-091 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Permit 
GB-DP-2022.2 (Gabriola Housing Society), as amended. 
CARRIED 

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GB-2022-092 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development 
Variance Permit GB-DVP-2022.6 (Gabriola Housing Society). 
CARRIED 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS - none 
10. DELEGATIONS - none 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Request to Amend Local Trust Committee Advisory Planning Committee Bylaw No. 
296 - for discussion 
Trustee Langereis requested that Staff amend text of Section 6 (b) of Bylaw no. 296 to 
strike out the words “the lessor of three members or” and use the 50% rule for 
determination of a quorum. 
GB-2022-093 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Local Trust Committee request Staff prepare an amendment to the 
text of Section 6 (b) of Bylaw no. 296 by striking out the words “the lessor of three 
members or”.  
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Climate Change Action Update 
  Received. 
13.2 First Nations Relationship Building 
  Received. 
13.3 Trust Conservancy Report - none 
13.4 Applications Report dated October 18, 2022 
  Received. 
13.5 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated August, 2022 
  Received. 
13.6 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received.  
13.7 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
  No updates requested. 

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14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated October 18, 2022 
  Received.  
14.2 Future Projects List Report dated October 18, 2022 
  Received. 
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 10:30 am at the 
Gabriola Arts and Heritage Centre 
16. CLOSED MEETING 
16.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
GB-2022-094 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1) (d) for the purpose of considering adoption of In-Camera 
Meeting Minutes dated September 29, 2022 and that the recorder and staff attend the 
meeting. 
CARRIED 
Chair Rogers closed the meeting to the public at 1:58 pm. 
16.2 Recall to Order 
By general consent the meeting was recalled to order 2:05 pm. 
14.3 Rise and Report 
The Gabriola Local Trust Committee In-Camera meeting minutes of September 29, 2022 
were adopted. 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:06 pm. 
 
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Dan Rogers, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Nadine Mourao, Recorder