South Pender Island Local Trust Committee public hearing, November 14, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 24: um i believe we're recording and live streaming uh so uh welcome to anyone who is on um

[0:00:07] Voice 24: joined us electronically this is the uh special meeting of the uh the main island local trust

[0:00:15] Voice 24: committee for november the 14th uh 2022 um and uh welcome to everybody there's approximately

[0:00:24] Voice 24: There are approximately 20 odd folks in the room at the Agricultural Hall here in Main Island, and I want to acknowledge that 23

[0:00:36] Voice 9: and

[0:00:40] Voice 24: I'm sure there'll be more, and the we're very, of course, privileged and pleased to be able to

[0:00:49] Voice 24: meet across the in the traditional territory of coast salish peoples across uh the this area and

[0:00:56] Voice 24: the coast salish sea and in particular the star swift nation and um uh as i have said before i'm

[0:01:04] Voice 24: always reminded of that as i ride the ferry across the salish sea uh to maine to beautiful main

[0:01:09] Voice 24: island and um uh that we're how how uh privileged we are to be here and we should always remember

[0:01:18] Voice 24: that as we continue to do our work and live here so thank you all for being here today

[0:01:24] Voice 24: this is the special meeting the main item on the agenda is a public hearing which we'll get to

[0:01:30] Voice 24: in a moment I'll take a moment to just introduce who's here we have our reporter Pat Todd many of

[0:01:38] Voice 24: you will know we have your two local trustees Trustee Dodds and Trustee Maude both of whom

[0:01:45] Voice 24: will be re-sworn in on Thursday at trust council as we move into another uh you're going to need

[0:01:53] Voice 24: a couple more chairs um as we move into a new term of uh the uh islands trust trust council

[0:02:01] Voice 24: and we have the planner uh Narissa Chadwick island planner from uh who has been the plan

[0:02:07] Voice 24: island planner we were talking about this since about almost uh three years now you've been the

[0:02:13] Voice 24: island planner from main island so welcome uh thank you with this uh meeting is being live

[0:02:19] Voice 24: streamed and is also uh being recorded uh so if you're watching it on the live stream you're

[0:02:27] Voice 24: watching it's a bit of a misnomer it's actually about a 30 second delay uh like um so um but it

[0:02:34] Voice 24: it is being live streamed you can watch it at home and it will be recorded and posted to the website

[0:02:39] Voice 24: site in the next um two or three days and you'll be able to go back and watch your favorite parts

[0:02:45] Voice 24: of the uh the public of the meeting today so um that's uh pretty much all of the introduction i

[0:02:55] Voice 24: need to do i know i know many of the faces here i'm happy to be here as as always with uh the

[0:03:01] Voice 24: uh as the the last local trust meeting of this term um for the islands trust uh three days to

[0:03:10] Voice 24: go in the term uh it's good to be i guess main island wanted to be last so and that's that's

[0:03:17] Voice 12: but not least not

[0:03:18] Voice 24: absolutely not at least but to be many of the local trust uh committees have

[0:03:23] Voice 24: shut down until the next term gets going so we have an agenda today and i'll talk a minute about

[0:03:30] Voice 24: the public meat hearing that's uh sort of third or fourth on the agenda but we have a couple of other

[0:03:36] Voice 24: items in business on the agenda before both before and after but the first thing i have

[0:03:41] Voice 24: to um to say

[0:03:43] Voice 24: is uh uh is there anything that anybody wishes to add or amend to the agenda we could have a

[0:03:50] Voice 24: discussion um okay i'm going to put that under 5.4 and i know it's about uh you want to propose

[0:04:08] Voice 24: some sort of uh standing resolution or some sort of uh motion we'll get some advice from staff

[0:04:16] Voice 24: about that as we move forward um so that's 5.4 anything else with the agenda from either of you

[0:04:26] Voice 24: then we'll take the agenda adopted as amended uh we have minutes of um uh a local trust committee

[0:04:35] Voice 24: meeting uh of october the 24th are there any changes or amendments from either of the trustees

[0:04:40] Voice 24: skis related to those minutes um nothing then we'll adopt those as presented so we have our

[0:04:48] Voice 24: minutes so the next item we have on our agenda is is in fact the public hearing that i was referring

[0:04:54] Voice 24: to and um so we're going to adjourn the special meeting and we'll come back into the business of

[0:05:01] Voice 24: the special meeting um for uh when we have finished with the public hearing this is the

[0:05:09] Voice 24: public hearing uh related to uh the main island housing society application uh for rezoning um

[0:05:16] Voice 24: that everybody will be familiar with or many people will be familiar with i have to when we're

[0:05:23] Voice 24: in a public hearing we have um some formalities we need to go through and i'm going to go through

[0:05:30] Voice 24: those right now you'll just bear with me for a moment as we go into a public hearing uh this

[0:05:36] Voice 24: public hearing is for proposed bylaws 181 and 183 is now open i wish to welcome everyone in

[0:05:44] Voice 24: attendance acknowledge we're meeting the territory of the coast salish first nations uh you'll know

[0:05:49] Voice 24: me i'm dan rogers actually i didn't introduce myself presumably you know me i'm the chair of

[0:05:54] Voice 24: the main island local trust committee i've already introduced your local trustees and the planning

[0:05:59] Voice 24: planning steps. This public hearing is being convened pursuant to section 465 of the Local

[0:06:07] Voice 24: Government Act in order to consider the following proposed bylaws. Proposed bylaw number 181 cited

[0:06:14] Voice 24: as Maine Island Official Community Plan bylaw number 144, 2007. Amendment number 1, 2021. And

[0:06:23] Voice 24: proposed bylaw number 183 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number

[0:06:31] Voice 24: 1 2021 all persons who believe that their interests are affected by the proposed bylaws

[0:06:37] Voice 24: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submissions respecting

[0:06:42] Voice 24: matters contained in the proposed bylaws those wishing to speak should commence their presentation

[0:06:49] Voice 24: by clearly stating their name and address.

[0:06:52] Voice 24: Members of the local trust committee,

[0:06:55] Voice 24: sorry, members of the local trust committee

[0:06:58] Voice 24: may, if they wish, ask questions of you

[0:07:01] Voice 24: following your presentation.

[0:07:03] Voice 24: However, the main function

[0:07:04] Voice 24: of the local trust committee members

[0:07:05] Voice 24: is to listen to the views of the public.

[0:07:08] Voice 24: It is not the function of the committee members

[0:07:10] Voice 24: to debate the merits of proposed bylaws

[0:07:13] Voice 24: with individual citizens.

[0:07:15] Voice 24: Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity

[0:07:17] Voice 24: to be heard and none should feel discouraged from presenting his or her views in considering

[0:07:26] Voice 24: the proposed bylaws the local trust committee has received documents which may influence this

[0:07:32] Voice 24: decision those documents are available for review during the hearing on our website and as indicated

[0:07:38] Voice 24: in the public hearing notice and as the planner will point out i believe that the actual public

[0:07:44] Voice 24: hearing binder is sitting on the table over by the door as well for anyone who wishes to

[0:07:50] Voice 24: look at it in a hard copy form. Any person who wishes to present a written submission to the

[0:07:58] Voice 24: local trust committee, we've already received a few, may do so and all written submissions must

[0:08:04] Voice 24: be received by the local trust committee before the close of the hearing. Your only opportunity

[0:08:09] Voice 24: to comment on the proposed bylaws is during this hearing as members of the local trust committee

[0:08:15] Voice 24: may not receive further submissions after the close of the hearing unless they reopen a public

[0:08:20] Voice 24: hearing after this public hearing has concluded the local trust committee may without further

[0:08:26] Voice 24: notice make whatever decision it deems proper with respect to the bylaws that are the subject

[0:08:34] Voice 24: to the public hearing uh island planner narissa chadwick will now summarize the public hearing

[0:08:40] Voice 24: notice the key points of the bylaw and referral agency responses planner chadwick thanks chair

[0:08:47] Voice 14: rodgers um so a copy of the notice for public hearing was advertised in two consecutive

[0:08:53] Voice 14: editions of the driftwood remember second and november 9th all notification requirements under

[0:09:00] Voice 14: the local government act has been defeated it was also inserted in the november um november 2022

[0:09:06] Voice 14: uh issue of the mainliner as per the outstanding resolution there as chair rogers had indicated

[0:09:13] Voice 14: there are there is a copy of the hard copy of the public hearing binder available there

[0:09:20] Voice 14: um it's also available online at the website under this project there um so the purpose of

[0:09:28] the proposed bylaw 181 and 183 are to

[0:09:34] Voice 14: sort of facilitate housing projects so specifically

[0:09:39] Voice 14: bylaw 181 that's the official community plan

[0:09:43] Voice 14: amendment so that's going to designate the

[0:09:45] Voice 14: proposed multi-family rental housing portion of a current 10-acre proportion of the property

[0:09:52] Voice 14: property from rural to rural multi-family residential designation.

[0:09:57] Voice 14: Then bylaw 183, which is the land use bylaw amendment.

[0:10:03] Voice 14: It enables the creation of three lots for the ten acre parent parcel.

[0:10:07] Voice 14: The property is proposed to be split zoned to enable the creation of two new zones.

[0:10:13] Voice 14: So one new zone will be the comprehensive development three zone, which will support

[0:10:18] Voice 14: the development of the up to 10 units of affordable multifamily rental housing on three acres and the

[0:10:26] Voice 14: second will be the new um rf will enable the subdivision of the remaining parcel of six into

[0:10:34] Voice 14: two three um roughly three acre lots can you speak up oh certainly yep um so the proposed

[0:10:42] Voice 14: Closed bylaws have been referred to the Ministry of Affairs,

[0:10:47] Voice 14: Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure,

[0:10:50] Voice 14: Ministry of the Trade General,

[0:10:52] Voice 14: Ministry of Transport and Housing,

[0:10:55] Voice 14: BC Assessment Authority, BC Hydro and Power Authority,

[0:11:00] Voice 14: TELUS, BC Housing, Capital Regional District,

[0:11:04] Voice 14: Southern Joint Violence Harvest Commission,

[0:11:06] Voice 14: Integrated Water Services, Environmental Resource Management,

[0:11:10] Voice 14: Galliano Islands, North and South Pender Island Local Trust Committees for comment.

[0:11:17] Voice 14: And it's also been referred to the relevant nations, Couching Tribe, Palau, Lake Couching First Nation,

[0:11:27] Voice 14: Laksin First Nation, Melhat First Nation, Laksin First Nation,

[0:11:33] Voice 14: Kenelk'in Tribe, Senil First Nation, Senimus First Nation,

[0:11:40] Voice 14: Senilis First Nation, Sarklit Nation,

[0:11:46] Voice 14: Teot, Tawasin, Sikkim, and the Wissanik Legislative Council for comment.

[0:11:53] Voice 14: And there have been, we received some received a note from Caballero District with respect to the integration of the driveway with the trail.

[0:12:05] Voice 14: There's support from Southern Gulf Islands through the Economic Sustainability Commission.

[0:12:10] Voice 14: and the hussanic made some comments um related to the um startlet uh around cultural uh

[0:12:20] Voice 14: um we received uh 24 uh public submissions during the public hearing um submission period

[0:12:33] uh as of

[0:12:34] Voice 14: november the 10th which was our deadline okay

[0:12:39] Voice 24: thank you very much

[0:12:42] Voice 24: um i'm just going to pause here for a moment before i carry on anybody who's come in in the

[0:12:46] Voice 24: last if you want to speak during the town during the public hearings could you please come and

[0:12:50] Voice 24: sign in before we go anywhere and put your name on the speakers list if there's any of the folks

[0:12:55] Voice 24: that have come in since uh in the last since we started yes please thanks anybody else

[0:13:22] Voice 15: you can

[0:13:23] Voice 24: be maybe i'll i'll be asking

[0:13:25] Voice 15: you don't have

[0:13:25] Voice 24: to i'm just trying to

[0:13:26] Voice 24: as much as anything i'm trying to judge how much time to give all the speakers okay

[0:13:30] Voice 15: um

[0:13:31] Voice 24: so that i

[0:13:33] Voice 24: pardon

[0:13:34] Voice 15: uh

[0:14:11] Voice 24: submissions can be made at any time during until the close of the hearing

[0:14:15] Voice 24: if any submissions are received during the meeting and we have already received some we will

[0:14:19] Voice 24: pause prior to the closing of to ensure the ltc ltc has time to review those submissions

[0:14:26] Voice 24: i bet members of the public wish to speak to actually what i'd like to do is i call you out

[0:14:31] Voice 24: i'd like you to come up and to take a chair here if you would and the reason for that is mostly so

[0:14:37] Voice 24: that we make sure that the broadcast gets the can pick up the people as we go through i will um call

[0:14:44] Voice 24: three times for speakers before closing the hearing at which point uh no further uh written

[0:14:49] Voice 24: or oral submissions can be made i'm going to uh remind you of sort of my three rules about

[0:14:55] Voice 24: commentary and a public hearing this is the this is a a workspace for everybody that you

[0:15:01] Voice 24: see at the front of the room we're all here and we're entitled to have a safe workspace so we ask

[0:15:06] Voice 24: the commentary be appropriate plus it's also a place where everybody in the in the room should

[0:15:11] Voice 24: feel appropriately safe as well as the commentary is made so i ask you to address uh the local trust

[0:15:19] Voice 24: committee and not each other this is not the opportunity for you to to comment on other people's

[0:15:25] Voice 24: actions or inactions

[0:15:26] Voice 24: in this matter. I ask you

[0:15:28] Voice 24: to speak to the issues and not

[0:15:30] Voice 24: personalities. And I also

[0:15:32] Voice 24: ask that you speak appropriately, that you

[0:15:34] Voice 24: not use derogatory

[0:15:37] Voice 24: language related to

[0:15:38] Voice 24: anyone else or in relation to

[0:15:40] Voice 24: the staff

[0:15:42] Voice 24: or the trustees. So

[0:15:44] Voice 24: if we get through that, then we'll hear

[0:15:46] Voice 24: everybody. My sense is

[0:15:48] Voice 24: we look like we have about

[0:15:51] Voice 24: 13 speakers

[0:15:52] Voice 24: speakers signed up, and there'll probably be a couple of others. So I'm going to initially set

[0:15:57] Voice 24: five minutes as the time period for submissions, and that should give us about an hour and a half

[0:16:04] Voice 24: to listen to the public hearing. I know some people will not speak as long as that. Five

[0:16:09] Voice 24: minutes is actually quite a long time once you start to do it. So I'm going to have a timer

[0:16:18] Voice 24: are going related to that and hopefully if I ask you to stop if you exceed please do we'll go

[0:16:24] Voice 24: through the speakers on the speakers list and if other speakers and then if there's time we'll have

[0:16:28] Voice 24: time for a second speak on speak for people to speak a second time as well so again address the

[0:16:34] Voice 24: trustees this is our opportunity to listen to you as we go through so the first speaker on my last

[0:16:41] Voice 24: list is Deborah Goldman so please come forward and I'll start the time

[0:16:50] Voice 18: Thank you, Roger. Good afternoon to the chair Rogers to you and to the trustees and the planner

[0:16:57] Voice 18: Chadwick. The main island housing society would like to recognize the trustees and the islands

[0:17:04] Voice 18: trust staff for the careful consideration given to this very complex rezoning application and for

[0:17:10] Voice 18: setting the public hearing at this time. Our application also our appreciation also to the

[0:17:17] Voice 18: main island community for their input into this process it has made our planning more robust

[0:17:23] Voice 18: and of course to the donor and his family for their generosity in providing land for housing

[0:17:28] Voice 18: i would like to take a moment to publicly thank our consultants for their expertise and guidance

[0:17:35] Voice 18: and the past and present directors of the housing society for their dedication commitment

[0:17:40] Voice 18: and their many many hours of contribution to developing housing for those in our community

[0:17:44] Voice 18: community who will benefit from having secure stable and affordable rental housing the need

[0:17:50] Voice 18: for affordable housing on main island has long been recognized as urgent and dire in many studies

[0:17:55] Voice 18: over the past decade and as an emergency in recent Ireland's trust documents and recall

[0:18:03] Voice 18: that main island is an anomaly in the Gulf Islands and that for an island of this size

[0:18:07] Voice 18: it has no Community housing of any sort this project will provide secure affordable purpose

[0:18:14] Voice 18: purpose-built multi-family rental housing in perpetuity as per the housing agreement between

[0:18:19] Voice 18: the society and the local trust committee and through the operating agreements entered into

[0:18:24] Voice 18: with funders this project will provide 10 units 10 housing units for singles couples and families

[0:18:32] Voice 18: both seniors and Workforce housing for all areas of Commerce and service provision housing for low

[0:18:39] Voice 18: to moderate income earners and safe secure housing intended to last for at least 60 years

[0:18:45] Voice 18: it is the only project of its type being proposed right now for main island

[0:18:50] Voice 18: through due diligence the housing society has addressed concerns raised by the trustees and

[0:18:55] Voice 18: the community through provision of reports and assessments and coming to agreement on clauses

[0:19:00] Voice 18: of the housing agreement and the section 219 covenant that section 219 covenant will provide

[0:19:06] Voice 18: protection and remediation of the undeveloped portions of lot three and a portion of lot two

[0:19:12] Voice 18: as recommended by the ecological assessment and wetland remediation specialist and in the absence

[0:19:18] Voice 18: of this rezoning the land will not be protected at all this project will provide social and economic

[0:19:25] Voice 18: sustainability to our developing island community in my 30 years working with vulnerable children

[0:19:30] Voice 18: and families in government both urban and rural cross-cultural across bc and with agencies

[0:19:37] Voice 18: providing services to communities we know that when families have secure housing the children

[0:19:42] Voice 18: have better outcomes in school when seniors are able to age in place they maintain their social

[0:19:47] Voice 18: connections and experience a better sense of well-being and they do live longer and happier

[0:19:52] Voice 18: lives when singles live in community in stable housing they are better able to contribute to

[0:19:59] Voice 18: their community and in my mind there are two critical factors that families need to achieve

[0:20:04] Voice 18: stability one is secure affordable housing as well as affordable available child care

[0:20:11] Voice 18: main island is fortunate to have another volunteer group building a family-based child care center

[0:20:17] Voice 18: this public hearing today is an important milestone for our community and for this project

[0:20:22] Voice 18: the main island housing society hopes that the project will be able to move forward without delay

[0:20:27] Voice 18: into subdivision and more detailed design on behalf of the directors of the main island

[0:20:32] Voice 18: and housing society we respectfully request that the trustees provide the necessary second and

[0:20:37] Voice 18: third readings of the bylaw amendments 181 and 183 and third reading of bylaw 182 the housing

[0:20:45] Voice 18: agreement and move to accept the section 219 covenant the other motions recommended by the

[0:20:51] Voice 18: planner will hopefully therefore follow as well i said as i suggested before i submit this on

[0:20:57] Voice 18: behalf of the directors of the main island housing society with much appreciation to the trustees

[0:21:01] Voice 18: thank you very much thank

[0:21:04] Voice 15: you next

[0:21:10] Voice 23: speaker uh is alistair hayne good

[0:21:20] Voice 7: alistair hayne i live at

[0:21:23] Voice 7: 631 gallagher bay we've had the property three years we've been living there for about two

[0:21:29] Voice 7: when we moved from ottawa the things that i joined was the main island assisted living society

[0:21:35] Voice 7: And on Friday, last Friday, we had our monthly board meeting and the topic of housing came up.

[0:21:46] Voice 7: I've been working in the world of aging in place since 2014.

[0:21:50] Voice 7: And one of the critical key factors of successful aging in place is the key factor is affordable housing, secure and affordable housing.

[0:22:02] Voice 7: We talked about this, and our executive director in the board meeting happened to just mention that there are still, while we have multimillionaires in houses on this island, we also have people still living in tents.

[0:22:18] Voice 7: And that's part of the population that Miles does tend to serve and try to serve.

[0:22:25] Voice 7: And so anything that we can do, I think, is good.

[0:22:28] Voice 7: so the outcome of our meeting on friday was a letter to to the three of you and i'd just like

[0:22:35] Voice 7: to read it and then pass it on uh we the board of directors of the main island assisted living

[0:22:42] Voice 7: society are writing to you to express our support for the ongoing work of the main island housing

[0:22:48] Voice 7: society to secure the proposed affordable housing project presently before you we strongly urge

[0:22:54] Voice 7: trustees to move the Salish Grove project ahead and approve the proposed

[0:22:59] Voice 7: bylaws. Maine Island Assisted Living Society is a volunteer-led organization

[0:23:04] Voice 7: that provides programs and services to assist Maine Islanders to enhance their

[0:23:08] Voice 7: quality of life, remain in their homes as long as possible, and to be here for

[0:23:13] Voice 7: friends and neighbors who need a helping hand. In other words, to provide the

[0:23:18] Voice 7: resources to help Islanders age in place. We have seen many Maine Islanders who,

[0:23:23] Voice 7: for a myriad of reasons cannot continue to live in their homes but wish to remain on the island.

[0:23:29] Voice 7: This has become an almost untenable situation now and most have to choose to move off the island.

[0:23:36] Voice 7: Creating more affordable housing simply increases choice and the available options open to our

[0:23:41] Voice 7: friends and neighbors. While this project is small with respect to the need for housing on the island

[0:23:47] Voice 7: any increase in housing options on main island is beneficial to its population.

[0:23:53] Voice 7: We believe the Maine Island Housing Society's affordable housing project is a step in the right direction, and we urge you to approve it.

[0:24:03] Voice 7: Thank you very much.

[0:24:04] Voice 7: That's just there.

[0:24:05] Voice 15: Thank you very much, sir.

[0:24:06] Voice 15: Sorry,

[0:24:14] Voice 24: I can't read the last part.

[0:24:15] Voice 24: Goat?

[0:24:16] Voice 24: Yes.

[0:24:19] Voice 15: Oh,

[0:24:24] Voice 6: okay. Your name's on my list.

[0:24:27] Voice 6: That's okay.

[0:24:28] Voice 24: That's okay.

[0:24:28] Voice 24: Okay.

[0:24:31] Voice 23: Then I have Kat Ferry Howe.

[0:24:36] Voice 15: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:37] Voice 15: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:39] Voice 15: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:40] Voice 9: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:41] Voice 9: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:41] Voice 12: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:42] Voice 12: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:42] Voice 12: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:43] Voice 12: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:43] Voice 12: Ferry Howe.

[0:24:44] Voice 12: That's

[0:24:44] Voice 19: okay.

[0:24:45] Voice 19: I just don't correct people very often.

[0:24:49] Voice 19: Hello, trustees.

[0:24:50] Voice 19: Thank you so much for having this public hearing

[0:24:52] Voice 19: at a time that is more accessible to many of our Islanders.

[0:24:55] Voice 19: That's really good.

[0:24:57] Voice 19: So this is a letter that's coming from me personally,

[0:25:00] Voice 19: because this is a project that is incredibly valuable to me on an emotional level because

[0:25:06] Voice 19: I have been amongst the most vulnerable of this community for over a decade.

[0:25:11] Voice 19: So I do have a letter that I would like to submit, but I'd like to read it to you now.

[0:25:15] Voice 19: Kat Fernio, 543 Fern Hill Road.

[0:25:19] Voice 19: I have been connected to Maine Island for over 20 years. When my mother first moved here in 2001,

[0:25:26] Voice 19: in 2001, she was fleeing from an abusive relationship.

[0:25:29] Voice 19: She rented multiple different houses on Main

[0:25:31] Voice 19: and she worked at several businesses at once

[0:25:33] Voice 19: to pay the rent.

[0:25:35] Voice 19: Rent, food costs, gas prices,

[0:25:37] Voice 19: everything costs less at that point in time.

[0:25:40] Voice 19: And it was already an extreme struggle.

[0:25:43] Voice 19: Once when landlords had given her a month to move out,

[0:25:46] Voice 19: she was suddenly pushed out of her rental in a single day

[0:25:48] Voice 19: by the next tenant as the next tenant

[0:25:50] Voice 19: had nowhere else to go.

[0:25:52] Voice 19: It was a desperate rental market 20 years ago.

[0:25:55] Voice 19: and if she had not found the places to live here on name in the times that she was in need she may

[0:26:01] Voice 19: have had to go back to a dangerous living environment hers is only one story i am only

[0:26:07] Voice 19: housed because of the privilege of being her daughter and i've been witness to countless

[0:26:12] Voice 19: rental horror stories in the decade that i've lived here i've worked in several understaffed

[0:26:17] Voice 19: businesses competitively vying for the favor of a limited pool of able-bodied employees

[0:26:22] Voice 19: employees. I have seen wonderful community members leave this island simply out of having

[0:26:27] Voice 19: nowhere to rent available. I have seen families broken apart and I knew a woman who lost her life

[0:26:34] Voice 19: after being unable to find adequate housing. It is happening over and over again and the pace

[0:26:42] Voice 19: has gotten dramatically worse. I do not believe the burden of need for rental housing can be borne

[0:26:47] Voice 19: by private property owners alone and if our community is to be sustainable and providing

[0:26:52] Voice 19: the services that we currently have we need to continue growing our pool of employable people

[0:26:58] Voice 19: in an era era of more remote work than any time in history that has dwindled we need purpose-built

[0:27:06] Voice 19: rental housing where this community is to survive i believe the current project before us has managed

[0:27:13] Voice 19: should provide thorough enough planning to answer every single concern that has been brought to the

[0:27:17] Voice 19: attention of the island's trust and we should make every effort to remove any obstacle holding

[0:27:23] Voice 19: up its progress thank you for your time and consideration thank

[0:27:28] Voice 15: you very much

[0:27:32] Voice 15: glenn mcleod glenn

[0:27:40] Voice 16: mcleod 392 maplesville i'll be quick i've spoken before on my concern about

[0:27:47] Voice 16: the water. I'm one of 23 property owners that will be affected by the project. Maple Drive

[0:27:56] Voice 16: depends on private wells for their water. There's no water system there. And both quantity and

[0:28:06] Voice 16: quality may well become issues as the years drag on. Lots of water now, we are told, but there's

[0:28:13] Voice 16: no assurance that that will continue into the future so that's a big concern for me as well

[0:28:20] Voice 16: there's a concern for the water on the surface as evidenced by overflow in the last year of which we

[0:28:31] Voice 16: have video evidence um i'm also concerned with the the term affordability and the necessity of

[0:28:40] Voice 16: the project i'm just not sure proof we have these units will be affordable and will be

[0:28:50] Voice 16: as far as i know there's only two that will be assured to be below market rents i see real estate

[0:28:58] Voice 16: markets changing dramatically and i know that together with those market changes come

[0:29:05] Voice 16: changes in the supply of rental units so i'm thinking that we will be seeing more rental

[0:29:12] Voice 16: units coming up in the coming years at rates which only the market will determine i don't

[0:29:21] Voice 16: think they're going to be going up finally i don't think it's fair that the amenity should be

[0:29:29] Voice 16: the land i think if this project doesn't go through that land should stay as it has been

[0:29:35] Voice 16: for a long time, 10 acres, I don't think it's fair to have the zoning lingering like a dark

[0:29:46] Voice 16: cloud over the whole neighborhood indefinitely. That's it for me.

[0:30:06] Voice 2: I'm Lise McLeod, I live on 392 Maple Drive, and so this, right from the start, the project,

[0:30:18] Voice 2: the neighborhood on Maple Drive was not consulted, there was no agreement or no reaching out

[0:30:29] Voice 2: to to our issue that we face every year with um water surface water rain water erosion and uh also

[0:30:40] Voice 2: our our water water system this is this is our water system so um what i'm thinking is that

[0:30:50] Voice 2: there is no there was no agreement or consultation i should say so in that sense is that right from

[0:30:58] Voice 2: the start you pin the neighbor you you pin the neighbor and in a sense that it is was not very

[0:31:08] Voice 2: favorable i i have uh just recently got 30 names from that neighborhood so if somebody does not

[0:31:19] Voice 2: live on me on maple drive does not understand what we live with what the what the the issues are so

[0:31:29] Voice 2: it's really hard for someone who lives on maple drive to have somebody from another area on

[0:31:35] Voice 2: mcdonald and to say this is why why don't you want this and also having a uh 10 unit with septic

[0:31:43] Voice 2: system which is over a wetland and down in their aquifer so it to me it does not make sense so

[0:31:51] Voice 2: there there was also an agreement with Mr. Sean McHugh that was that was signed we didn't we were

[0:31:58] Voice 2: not privy to that but it should have been that the neighbor the way the way I looked at it it's

[0:32:08] Voice 2: that if Sean McHugh knew the importance of the water

[0:32:13] Voice 2: and the issue that there would become a liability for him

[0:32:19] Voice 2: because basically our water and our homes are at threat

[0:32:27] Voice 2: in a sense that we don't have any recourse.

[0:32:32] Voice 2: It's telling us, well, maybe we don't have any recourse.

[0:32:38] Voice 2: So it's a gray area, and it creates a liability for us.

[0:32:44] Voice 2: So we're asking for casting our agreement to this,

[0:32:53] Voice 2: which we were not ever part of.

[0:32:56] Voice 2: And I think I'm not being criticized of the housing society

[0:32:59] Voice 2: for not providing or encouraging this agreement right from the start

[0:33:05] Voice 2: because i mean we it's just an observation you know groups are you when you start doing a project

[0:33:14] Voice 2: and doing it you learn things as you go along so um so i just feel that they um

[0:33:21] Voice 2: from looking at this people they never really uh know what our neighborhood you know for people

[0:33:31] Voice 2: who are telling a really sad story

[0:33:36] Voice 2: about their housing situation,

[0:33:39] Voice 2: that doesn't mean that people who live on Maple Drive

[0:33:42] Voice 2: have owned it free, no mortgage,

[0:33:46] Voice 2: there is no expenses, no upkeep and all that.

[0:33:50] Voice 2: So it's modest, there is modest home on Maple Drive,

[0:33:55] Voice 2: it's one of the oldest neighbourhood

[0:33:58] Voice 2: And I feel that we're and that's why we getting so it doesn't mean that we're against affordable housing or, or anything like that, it means that we are there is some serious concern.

[0:34:14] Voice 2: And, and so this is where I stand, or this was a neighborhood stands for. Let's see I'm just going to look quickly.

[0:34:26] Voice 2: I really don't think that Mr. McHugh would have signed this agreement I think it should have been

[0:34:31] Voice 2: a consultation prior to a disagreement being signed and we were not privy to it so we could

[0:34:38] Voice 2: not have offer comments or our concerns so that's it that's it for me thank you so much

[0:34:48] Voice 2: thank

[0:34:48] Voice 24: you next on my list is

[0:34:55] Voice 23: uh tim mackie hello

[0:35:04] Voice 5: tim mackie um i've got a letter i just couldn't

[0:35:08] Voice 5: get my act together in time for the friday deadline but i'll drop it off with you so i

[0:35:12] Voice 5: don't need to go through it all um there's about maybe just three points that i want to speak to

[0:35:20] Voice 5: and i want to focus mostly on the affordability of of the project because i think that's the big

[0:35:26] Voice 5: big question the second big question is how to deal with the surface water concerns on on Lots

[0:35:33] Voice 5: one two and three because they are a real problem and I think we've had some experts tell us that

[0:35:39] Voice 5: and we've got some anecdotal evidence from Maple Drive that tells us that and the third thing is

[0:35:46] Voice 5: as a neighbor to the the West of the property line we have some particular concerns because

[0:35:52] Voice 5: because the development is right up against that property line so I'll deal with the buffer thing

[0:35:58] Voice 5: first and and we've been through this a lot of times I don't need to speak to it again but it

[0:36:05] Voice 5: boils down to we've got a 15 meter buffer that we put in place on our side and we approach this with

[0:36:12] Voice 5: well wouldn't it be nice if the main island housing Society did the same they won't so

[0:36:19] Voice 5: we're left with okay so now we're going to be the buffer for that development when really

[0:36:24] Voice 5: the two sides of each of those property lines should be able to agree that yeah a buffer of

[0:36:30] Voice 5: equal width on both sides makes sense if they don't have a buffer why should we have a buffer

[0:36:36] Voice 5: and then we're setting ourselves up for conflict down the road so we've had a lot of debate about

[0:36:41] Voice 5: about that and I don't feel it's been adequately resolved yet the surface water issue we had a wet

[0:36:50] Voice 5: land restoration specialist look at lots one two and three and come up with a plan of action to

[0:36:57] Voice 5: manage those surface water flows and that required a whole lot of work on lot one lot two and lot

[0:37:04] Voice 5: three and uh and even with that amount of work it neglected some water flows on the western side of

[0:37:11] Voice 5: that property the concern i have is that when you look at the section 219 covenant

[0:37:19] Voice 5: all the work necessary in lot one is completely omitted from um from that covenant and yet the

[0:37:26] Voice 5: water is flowing mostly from lot one into lot two into lot three if you don't do the restoration

[0:37:33] Voice 5: work on lot one the water still moves into lot two if you water down the restoration work on lot two

[0:37:39] Voice 5: which they have, the water continues to move on to lot three. Then you're left with the question

[0:37:47] Voice 5: of how the heck can you develop on lot three when you haven't done the restoration work on lot one

[0:37:51] Voice 5: and two. And that's the uncertainty that all the neighbors are living with right now. And so that's

[0:37:57] Voice 5: why you're feeling that concern. And it's real. And we've got a covenant that's going against

[0:38:05] Voice 5: against the grain, against the recommendations of the wetland specialists.

[0:38:11] Voice 5: So those are the two big issues in terms of people living around the development.

[0:38:18] Voice 5: The really big issue for the island is,

[0:38:22] Voice 5: is this going to deliver on the promise of affordable housing?

[0:38:26] Voice 5: And we know to do that, affordable housing has to meet a couple tests.

[0:38:31] Voice 5: It has to account for no more than 30% of your income,

[0:38:35] Voice 5: or it has to be below market rents.

[0:38:38] Voice 5: I don't think it's going to meet either of those tests on this island, and I'll tell you why.

[0:38:47] Voice 5: From my read of the housing agreement, they've got income ceilings that are $77,000 for a one-bedroom unit and about $120,000 for a two-bedroom unit.

[0:39:01] Voice 5: The median rent that they're looking for is approximately $1,600 but the housing agreement actually allows you to get higher than that if you read it carefully.

[0:39:15] Voice 5: You can almost maximize a rental rate of about $2,000 on average and still stay within the housing agreement.

[0:39:23] Voice 5: Question whether or not you'd find those tenants.

[0:39:25] Voice 5: The other thing we know is that this is an expensive project and the society doesn't have a lot of cash on hand so they'll be mostly mortgaging and looking for grants, which forces them to look at higher earning tenants.

[0:39:43] Voice 5: There's no requirement for them to work with a funding agencies that support affordable housing.

[0:39:49] Voice 5: and i think an agreement should say that a housing agreement should make that connect between the

[0:39:55] Voice 5: society and and a funder otherwise you're left with the potential of charging these high rents

[0:40:01] Voice 5: and not meeting the real need the real need as i understand it from the housing needs assessment

[0:40:08] Voice 5: done in the southern gulf islands is to provide affordable housing for people who are earning

[0:40:15] Voice 5: in the range of $40,000 or less, that would give you, what, 30% of $40,000, $12,000, $1,000

[0:40:27] Voice 5: maximum for rent.

[0:40:29] Voice 5: So we're way, way far apart between what we should be charging to help people live here

[0:40:38] Voice 5: and work here in a way that gives them some stability and security.

[0:40:45] Voice 5: I'm

[0:40:45] Voice 23: going to ask you to wrap it up, Mr. Mack.

[0:40:47] Voice 23: you've got five minutes you can come back yeah

[0:40:49] Voice 5: i've got 10 pages here and

[0:40:52] Voice 23: i'm going to hand

[0:40:53] Voice 5: them over to you so the the big the big concern really is i don't think that housing agreement

[0:40:57] Voice 5: is pushing um far enough to bring the rents down okay and

[0:41:02] Voice 5: i would point to there's a gabriel island

[0:41:05] Voice 5: which has an alternate housing agreement that actually does push the rents down and they're

[0:41:10] Voice 5: using well they're using the housing income housing

[0:41:13] Voice 23: income can i ask you to wrap it up

[0:41:14] Voice 23: you've had your five minutes i've told people five minutes you

[0:41:17] Voice 5: can come back

[0:41:17] Voice 23: we'll have a second

[0:41:18] Voice 23: speaker thank you okay thank you thank you very much uh mr damani

[0:41:29] Voice 23: thank you

[0:41:33] Voice 6: mr chair i expect to make you can make up the time in

[0:41:37] Voice 23: life i know and i just want to make

[0:41:39] Voice 23: anyway go ahead my

[0:41:41] Voice 6: name is don ed uh i live at 625 fern hill road on main island i have been

[0:41:48] Voice 6: property owner here since 2005 and I've lived here full-time since 2016.

[0:41:52] Voice 6: I just want to express my support for this project in a very strong fashion. I think the

[0:42:01] Voice 6: Local Trust Committee has done a very fine job actually in the details of how they have assessed

[0:42:06] Voice 6: this complicated project and I'd like to congratulate you on that. I may have expressed

[0:42:12] Voice 6: express my impatience in the past but I realize it is a difficult project with many points of

[0:42:17] Voice 6: view and many specific aspects around environmental water management Etc which I think have been very

[0:42:24] Voice 6: well addressed so I would like to again I believe the need is clear I believe that this is a good

[0:42:32] Voice 6: project it's the right project at the right time and I would like to encourage uh that you move

[0:42:37] Voice 6: forward with this project as in a timely fashion thank you um

[0:42:43] Voice 24: next i have uh stephanie mcbirney

[0:42:48] Voice 24: i

[0:42:54] Voice 1: am stephanie mcbirney i live at 499 montrose on maine um i have never been to one of these so i

[0:43:01] Voice 1: might have written my speech a little wrong but we'll see how it goes over um i have been coming

[0:43:09] Voice 1: to Maine my entire life. Always had a family home here up until a few years ago, probably six years

[0:43:14] Voice 1: ago. I have lived on Maine for over 11 years. We are a family of five people. When we first moved,

[0:43:24] Voice 1: we were renting on Maine Island in my family home. Good, great, so glad to have gotten my feet here.

[0:43:29] Voice 1: Then our family home sold, and there were five of us looking for a place to live on the island.

[0:43:36] Voice 1: not a lot was coming up we were very very very fortunate to get um a three-bedroom like a little

[0:43:44] Voice 1: bungalow that allowed us all to stay here and live here um my partner and i over the years we have

[0:43:51] Voice 1: been here we have worked i mean upwards of 60 hours a week at a restaurant because staff has

[0:43:57] Voice 1: always been an issue we worked in the schools with um passion but no qualifications because

[0:44:03] Voice 1: staffing was an issue at the school. Uh we we have just done

[0:44:08] Voice 1: little jobs everywhere to fill in needs because staffing has

[0:44:11] Voice 1: always been such an issue. Um I I intend with my entire heart to

[0:44:19] Voice 1: be here for my entire life. This is my home. This is where I

[0:44:22] Voice 1: want my kids to come back to. This is my space. Um I have

[0:44:27] Voice 1: concerns about the viability of our island over the next few

[0:44:30] Voice 1: decades if we do not begin to exact changes immediately the biggest concern is that staff

[0:44:35] Voice 1: for the stores the restaurants or school as well as construction will find it more and more

[0:44:40] Voice 1: difficult to find housing without our grocery stores hardware store gas station and schools

[0:44:45] Voice 1: our island cannot continue to be the thriving community that is right now

[0:44:50] Voice 1: um i strongly believe that this project should be approved i understand that this project is not

[0:44:56] Voice 1: the perfect answer however there is no one perfect answer to our housing crisis and the future of our

[0:45:03] Voice 1: island depends on us moving forward with many housing initiatives um and this is a fantastic

[0:45:09] Voice 1: first step uh i hear the concerns of the neighboring lands that they have about the

[0:45:14] Voice 1: water that flows across the land i've also heard that the housing society is offering

[0:45:20] Voice 1: many remedies so the water is allowed to drain and be dispersed properly

[0:45:23] Voice 1: they made it clear that a large portion of the issue is is the amount of logging etc that's

[0:45:29] Voice 1: happening on the property um and they had plans in place to deal with the water and that every

[0:45:34] Voice 1: intention is to better a situation that is already starting at very bad uh those plans will i'm sure

[0:45:42] Voice 1: move and flow as they move forward with the planning and building phases but the real

[0:45:46] Voice 1: rehabilitation of the land and property are clearly of high importance for the housing society

[0:45:50] Voice 1: These are not big city developers. These are our friends and our neighbors that have love and respect for the island, and I trust in them to continue to make the best decisions, not just for their project, but for the land, as well as the neighboring projects or properties.

[0:46:04] Voice 1: And if someone else had come and bought up this land, there's nothing holding them accountable to putting in the type of effort and thought and planning that the Housing Society is putting into this space.

[0:46:16] Voice 1: I understand the concern of the unknown it's really it's often easier to sit in an uncomfortable

[0:46:23] Voice 1: situation that you know than dive into the deep without any guarantees but we we need to have

[0:46:31] Voice 1: some kind of of hope of faith of plan for the future of this island I understand people are

[0:46:38] Voice 1: concerned about affordability I we are two people raising three children affordability is huge for

[0:46:44] Voice 1: us I would feel so much more secure having somewhere that I knew I couldn't be kicked out

[0:46:52] Voice 1: in the next year having somewhere that I could settle in and I could really dig my heels in I

[0:46:59] Voice 1: mean we're trying to open up a restaurant knowing that our house could be up for rent or taken away

[0:47:06] Voice 1: from us from rent at any time and then where where do we go from from there um uh so i'm

[0:47:16] Voice 1: kind of going off and on and on

[0:47:17] Voice 17: um

[0:47:19] Voice 1: yeah we need to we i i truly truly believe that we need to trust

[0:47:24] Voice 1: and believe islanders that are putting their time and effort into this project it's all about the

[0:47:29] Voice 1: the survival of our island at this point.

[0:47:32] Voice 1: We're in a really, really dire situation with staff.

[0:47:37] Voice 1: In conclusion, I implore you to look beyond the present

[0:47:40] Voice 1: into the future.

[0:47:41] Voice 1: We need to trust in the people running the Housing Society,

[0:47:44] Voice 1: allow them to continue to be open and upfront

[0:47:48] Voice 1: and know that they hold the concerns of the island

[0:47:50] Voice 1: as they move forward.

[0:47:51] Voice 1: We are at a crossroads as an island

[0:47:54] Voice 1: and we need to begin to really push forward collectively

[0:47:57] Voice 1: effectively to save the future of our island's thriving community and this initiative is the

[0:48:02] Voice 1: first of hopefully a handful of different approaches to our island's housing crisis thank

[0:48:08] Voice 1: you thank

[0:48:09] Voice 23: you very much

[0:48:25] Voice 20: um I'm speaking today in support of the efforts

[0:48:28] Voice 20: of the main island housing society to build rental housing on a three acre parcel of land

[0:48:34] Voice 20: at three oh excuse me i need to step back deb foot 537 club crescent um

[0:48:43] Voice 20: uh build affordable housing on the three acre parcel of land at 375 village bay road for the

[0:48:50] Voice 20: residents of main island i want to point out that the opportunity to build this project is the

[0:48:56] Voice 20: the result of a generous landholder on the island who is prepared to gift a portion of

[0:49:02] Voice 20: this property to the Maine Island Housing Society.

[0:49:04] Voice 20: This doesn't happen every day.

[0:49:08] Voice 20: While there are other properties on the island that are already zoned for multifamily housing,

[0:49:13] Voice 20: those landholders have put forward no plans for development at this time.

[0:49:20] Voice 20: The availability of rental housing on Maine Island is virtually non-existent.

[0:49:25] Voice 20: For most people who work in the services sector that our island economy requires to be

[0:49:38] Voice 20: self-sustaining are renters. By and large, these individuals are not in a position financially

[0:49:46] Voice 20: to become homeowners. That leaves the businesses that employ these people in a vulnerable position,

[0:49:55] Voice 20: with unhoused or underhoused employees or alternatively forces workers to live in

[0:50:04] Voice 20: substandard or seasonally available accommodation. Everyone deserves the opportunity to live in

[0:50:13] Voice 20: secure lodging. According to Stats Canada data from 2021, 45% of the island's 1,292 dwelling units

[0:50:24] Voice 20: are not occupied by usual residents, which the usual residents includes renters.

[0:50:35] Voice 20: Further analysis shows that less than 7% of the dwelling units, 90 as per the 2021 census,

[0:50:45] Voice 20: are offered as rental properties. While the current Maine Island Housing Society project

[0:50:51] Voice 20: project will add only 10 additional dwelling units to the rental market on Maine Island it's a

[0:50:58] Voice 20: starting place it represents an 11 increase over the current rental stock more than a single

[0:51:07] Voice 20: initiative can address in the current economic environment than any other single initiative could

[0:51:12] Voice 20: address given that this project is driven by a non-profit organization there's an assurance that

[0:51:20] Voice 20: these units will be available for rent for the long term as deborah stated in perpetuity

[0:51:29] Voice 20: i've attended nearly every main island local trust committee meeting and have listened to

[0:51:34] Voice 20: the concerns expressed by the community from both perspectives those in favor of the project

[0:51:40] Voice 20: and those opposed i've listened to the presentations made by the main island housing

[0:51:46] Voice 20: Housing Society and the professionals that they have contracted to provide assessments

[0:51:50] Voice 20: and recommendations.

[0:51:52] Voice 20: I've read the professional reports that have been requested by the Main Island Trust

[0:52:00] Voice 20: Committee, Local Trust Committee.

[0:52:01] Voice 20: I've reviewed the credentials of the professionals who prepared those reports.

[0:52:06] Voice 20: I see no reason to second guess their recommendations.

[0:52:11] Voice 20: Granted, I do not live downstream from the runoff from the Mount Park estates.

[0:52:18] Voice 20: What appears to be not recognized by those opposing the project is that the remediation

[0:52:28] Voice 20: plans that run parallel to the site development will be positive for the environment, capturing,

[0:52:35] Voice 20: containing, and rerouting some of that runoff.

[0:52:40] Voice 20: to those in in the community who consider the project to be a super mega project give your

[0:52:47] Voice 20: head a shake there's nothing mega about this project yes it's a larger footprint than most

[0:52:53] Voice 20: construction projects on the island but we're talking about 10 dwelling units that will house

[0:52:59] Voice 20: up to 26 islanders the total square footage is proposed at 7 800 square feet converting

[0:53:07] Voice 20: covering approximately 4% of the land.

[0:53:12] Voice 20: There are single family homes on Maine Island

[0:53:16] Voice 20: that cover a larger percentage

[0:53:18] Voice 20: of their respective properties,

[0:53:20] Voice 20: and that are larger than 7,800 square feet.

[0:53:24] Voice 20: We need more rental housing on this island

[0:53:27] Voice 20: that will provide long-term homes

[0:53:29] Voice 20: for those who do not have the resources

[0:53:31] Voice 20: or privilege to own their own land.

[0:53:34] Voice 20: i am wholeheartedly in support of this project and urge the main island local trust committee

[0:53:41] Voice 20: to proceed with the proposed bylaw changes as outlined in application ma rz 2020.1

[0:53:52] Voice 20: and to proceed without further delay thank you rob

[0:54:03] Voice 15: mcfarland good

[0:54:15] Voice 4: afternoon thank you for the

[0:54:17] Voice 4: opportunity to speak to you um i live i live at 490 navy channel road and uh our family we live

[0:54:27] Voice 4: there full-time full-time residents now my family has had property on maine for the past 50 years

[0:54:33] Voice 4: or so and we're now retired and and enjoying a wonderful life here on maine and um often

[0:54:42] Voice 4: Often people will tell us we've been very fortunate over the years, and I have to confess that when people would say, well, we've been lucky, I'd find that kind of irksome.

[0:54:53] Voice 4: It would kind of annoy me.

[0:54:54] Voice 4: We've studied hard.

[0:54:55] Voice 4: We've worked hard.

[0:54:56] Voice 4: We've lived a modest life, and we've worked to create the comfortable life we have here now.

[0:55:04] Voice 4: It wasn't handed to us.

[0:55:06] Voice 4: and uh kind of years go by and you learn a bit more you see more experience and people around

[0:55:13] Voice 4: me people i know firsthand um that uh you know suffer in one case a traumatic brain brain injury

[0:55:21] Voice 4: another fellow ended up with als and a sudden death leaving his family very little and in the

[0:55:28] Voice 4: way of income because he was the breadwinner in the family um and mental illness striking

[0:55:34] Voice 4: striking somebody in their 30s um severe mental illness leaving them well you know we'll probably

[0:55:40] Voice 4: live a long life completely unable to earn an income and uh and quite frankly I'm no smarter

[0:55:47] Voice 4: I don't work didn't work any harder I'm no better than any of these folks and uh and I've learned

[0:55:53] Voice 4: that the folks that look at us and say hey you've been lucky they're right we have been lucky and

[0:55:59] Voice 4: And, well, I was lucky to grow up in a nice, comfortable, middle-income home.

[0:56:06] Voice 4: My wife's story is quite different.

[0:56:08] Voice 4: Her family split up when she was four years old.

[0:56:11] Voice 4: So she was raised by her grandparents and raised quite literally in poverty.

[0:56:17] Voice 4: No exaggeration by any definition.

[0:56:19] Voice 4: She grew up in poverty in a tiny little wartime house in the Vancouver area

[0:56:26] Voice 4: where uh you know the only heat was the wood stove um the only hot water was in the winter

[0:56:32] Voice 4: when the wood stove would be running so when she washed her hair it was with a garden hose in the

[0:56:37] Voice 4: backyard and uh and they became masters of sponge baths because of the lack of any kind of hot water

[0:56:43] Voice 4: and um notwithstanding the fact that her grandparents lived through the depression

[0:56:48] Voice 4: and so typical of that era they lived a very frugal life their whole life and and he worked

[0:56:54] Voice 4: his whole life he worked at coal mines he was a prospector for many years he did all sorts of jobs

[0:56:59] Voice 4: but none of those jobs paid very well and so they had very little in the way of income and and very

[0:57:06] Voice 4: little in the way of assets and so but nonetheless they lived in a nice little house looked quite

[0:57:12] Voice 4: nice and i coming from my comfortable lifestyle really had no idea what was going on there because

[0:57:18] Voice 4: ma'am the lady that became my wife got to go to university got an education and and from

[0:57:25] Voice 4: the outside everything looked good it was only as the years went by that i learned

[0:57:28] Voice 4: how vulnerable a position they were the only reason they had the quality of life they had

[0:57:35] Voice 4: because that cute little house was actually a non-profit housing provided by the local

[0:57:42] Voice 4: Kiwanis club and the only reason they were able to have a modest comfortable lifestyle was that

[0:57:49] Voice 4: support they had and the secure ongoing they didn't need to worry about getting evicted

[0:57:55] Voice 4: or the house being redeveloped from under them and so that is quite an eye-opener for somebody

[0:58:02] Voice 4: who lives a comfortable lifestyle and like most young people I thought the whole world was like

[0:58:06] Voice 4: years later getting into business and i ended up in the uh involved with the kwanzaa club of

[0:58:13] Voice 4: vancouver and chairing their non-profit housing societies which is three essentially apartment

[0:58:19] Voice 4: buildings providing about 150 units to low-income seniors in that case is the focus and and

[0:58:28] Voice 4: to avoid a long story there have been several challenges through the years

[0:58:32] Voice 4: that threatened the viability particularly of one building two buildings

[0:58:36] Voice 4: are completed the one has the support of bc housing um the one with the support of bc housing

[0:58:42] Voice 4: is one that got quite desperate condition there were very multi-million dollar repairs required

[0:58:48] Voice 4: there was no way to raise the money um there was no way that tenants could support the uh

[0:58:54] Voice 4: borrowing costs and uh and so we got to know either i got to know more of the tenants who

[0:59:01] Voice 4: would share their story as we went through this and we kept them informed because they would be

[0:59:05] Voice 4: ones that lost their homes and similarly um most of their most of the source of their problems was

[0:59:13] Voice 4: was misfortune um and sometimes people are their author of their own misfortune and that certainly

[0:59:19] Voice 4: is uh out there but not as often as you might think um and so for them too you see it and it

[0:59:27] Voice 4: was it's very obvious the difference it makes in their lives and on main island it's less obvious

[0:59:32] Voice 4: obvious you don't see it but I think we all know it's real you need to know where to look

[0:59:37] Voice 4: it's not like in the big centers where it's literally on the streets and in your face but

[0:59:42] Voice 4: it's there and so I know from personal experience what a dramatic difference this can make and and

[0:59:48] Voice 4: I really encourage supporting this proposal I'm sure that if this was uphill from my property

[0:59:55] Voice 4: I too would be asking any of the same questions and it's important to investigate

[1:00:00] Voice 4: and address legitimate concerns in an appropriate manner,

[1:00:03] Voice 4: but it really is an important project.

[1:00:05] Voice 4: It really makes a big difference in real people lives.

[1:00:09] Voice 4: So I encourage you to support it.

[1:00:11] Voice 4: Thank you, Mr. McCrone.

[1:00:17] Voice 15: The next speaker is Catherine Summers.

[1:00:23] Voice 8: I'll be brief.

[1:00:24] Voice 8: I think you've all heard from me.

[1:00:29] Voice 8: 366 Maple Drive, and everybody's talking about

[1:00:31] Voice 8: how long we've been here.

[1:00:32] Voice 8: So I've been here for 35 years,

[1:00:35] Voice 8: and I've been on Maple Drive for over 20.

[1:00:38] Voice 8: um i'm not here to argue affordable housing that's not my concern nor my fight my argument

[1:00:46] Voice 8: is that this property is not the right property this property is a wetland it's known for its

[1:00:55] Voice 8: flooding it's not the best property there's far more suitable areas so my argument is and i've

[1:01:02] Voice 8: said it time and time again and i'm sure you've read all my letters and this that and the other

[1:01:07] Voice 8: thing that's my thoughts on that it's not the right property i'm not against affordable housing

[1:01:12] Voice 8: it's just not the right property i also wanted the answer to the question that i asked you at

[1:01:19] Voice 8: the last meeting uh narissa regarding uh motif and the easement requirement um

[1:01:26] Voice 14: so i can i was

[1:01:27] Voice 14: over here on the island on thursday with um their representative um that is he's he's um he's looked

[1:01:36] Voice 14: at the technical aspects uh related to roads and culverts and and so forth

[1:01:40] Voice 17: and

[1:01:42] Voice 14: uh and so he

[1:01:43] Voice 14: he's not so we had a lot of conversation about how water reuse and it was actually very educational

[1:01:49] Voice 14: for both of us um and so so he has um he's going to speak directly to his colleagues so usually

[1:01:57] Voice 14: through the subdivision process that the movement of water is something that will be looked at

[1:02:01] Voice 14: He said sometimes. And so what I said is, you know, through our conversation, it's clear that that's going to be a priority for them to look at.

[1:02:09] Voice 14: So he's taking

[1:02:10] Voice 15: pictures and

[1:02:11] Voice 14: he's got a lot of information from me and he'll be talking directly with his colleagues about this particular application.

[1:02:18] Voice 14: location. So that will be looked at and he looked at, I mean, other things that he'll sort of be looking at is if there's any anything he did, he did talk about potential statutory right for weight was a thing that we sort of talked a little bit about, which is about, about moving the water through the area, but it gets really tricky, because it'll require that they really have a

[1:02:47] Voice 14: a really good look at how the water flows,

[1:02:51] Voice 14: because in all of these cases,

[1:02:52] Voice 14: they too could be liable if they try and do anything

[1:02:56] Voice 14: that would create an additional problem.

[1:03:00] Voice 14: So I guess the short of it is,

[1:03:04] Voice 14: they know that there's some real considerations to be,

[1:03:08] Voice 14: or things that need to be looked at in detail,

[1:03:10] Voice 14: and they will be looking at that

[1:03:12] Voice 14: as part of the subdivision process.

[1:03:15] Voice 8: But I don't think that that answered my question then.

[1:03:18] Voice 24: Yes, Kate.

[1:03:20] Voice 24: Actually, Nerissa, I probably would have asked you not.

[1:03:23] Voice 24: That's not

[1:03:24] Voice 24: what this process is.

[1:03:25] Voice 24: We're in a public hearing.

[1:03:27] Voice 24: The process is for us to hear from you about your concerns.

[1:03:31] Voice 24: So you can certainly have a conversation with Planner Chadwick offline.

[1:03:35] Voice 24: We'll be talking about some of this stuff that's here.

[1:03:38] Voice 24: But please feel free to finish your presentation to us, okay?

[1:03:42] Voice 24: I will.

[1:03:43] Voice 8: well um so thanks for educating me uh so

[1:03:48] Voice 15: i

[1:03:49] Voice 8: put my name on the list because i thought that's what we

[1:03:51] Voice 8: had to do in order to ask our question and i was told at the last meeting that my question i could

[1:03:57] Voice 8: ask a question and it would be answered at this meeting so hopefully that does happen later i'm

[1:04:02] Voice 8: being told

[1:04:03] Voice 23: we'll ask i'll tell you what i'll i'll i'll ask this planner chat to answer what

[1:04:08] Voice 23: hurt where the status is not but that's an ongoing issue right anyway go ahead finish your presentation

[1:04:13] Voice 23: uh

[1:04:13] Voice 8: so as i said uh yeah i just don't think it should be me that has to have the hope and faith

[1:04:17] Voice 8: that this project is going to work it's i would argue that i'm most directly affected by uh the

[1:04:23] Voice 8: water at that site in particular uh and i don't think i should have to take on that risk and

[1:04:30] Voice 8: that's that's the long and short of it and i guess after the meeting or so i'll get that

[1:04:35] Voice 8: contact information so that i can talk to them directly okay

[1:04:39] Voice 15: thank you um

[1:04:42] Voice 23: last speaker that i

[1:04:45] Voice 23: have on my list at least so far and we'll come around again is gail

[1:04:49] Voice 24: noonan she's gone she's gone

[1:04:51] Voice 24: okay so i'm going to at this point then ask if there's anybody who hasn't spoken yet that has

[1:04:57] Voice 24: decided they wish to speak uh and address the world in this public here because this is your

[1:05:03] Voice 24: opportunity for first-time speakers if anybody wishes to actually address the issue okay then

[1:05:12] Voice 24: i'm going to go around and see if there's anybody who has already spoken that would like to speak

[1:05:16] Voice 24: again mr mackie did you wish to conclude to to say some more i mean within limits

[1:05:24] Voice 5: yeah i'm not gonna i mean

[1:05:25] Voice 24: i did cut you off

[1:05:26] Voice 5: i'm not gonna take five minutes um we left off i was

[1:05:32] Voice 5: talking about the gabriola one as an example of a housing agreement that provides a bit of a

[1:05:40] Voice 5: risk management in it that isn't in this agreement and the default for the gabriola

[1:05:46] Voice 5: housing agreement is the use of housing income limits from vc housing which is that if you don't

[1:05:54] Voice 5: get a the project funded by another affordable housing agency the default is going to be

[1:06:00] Voice 5: the income ceiling is going to be the housing income limits that BC housing specifies.

[1:06:06] Voice 5: And in Victoria, those I think are $56,000. In Nanaimo, they're $40,000.

[1:06:15] Voice 5: This housing agreement uses a different set of parameters. And so we see a $77,000 ceiling here,

[1:06:23] Voice 5: whereas the default on the Gabriola one is $20,000 less.

[1:06:28] Voice 5: So I think there's,

[1:06:29] Voice 5: there are ways to create a housing agreement

[1:06:32] Voice 5: that provides a little more certainty for Maine Islanders

[1:06:36] Voice 5: that you're going to fight the good fight

[1:06:38] Voice 5: and find a way to make this housing affordable

[1:06:42] Voice 5: for those that need it.

[1:06:43] Voice 5: So, and so I think that avenue hasn't been exhausted

[1:06:46] Voice 5: and that's one reason why I'm opposed to this

[1:06:49] Voice 5: because I don't think this has gone far enough

[1:06:51] Voice 5: in the thinking yet.

[1:06:53] Voice 5: i also think the the idea of affordable housing as a community amenity requires that

[1:06:59] Voice 5: affordable housing be defined and it hasn't been defined in this process yet

[1:07:05] Voice 5: the actual zoning doesn't even say affordable housing so your default is going to be the housing

[1:07:10] Voice 5: agreement and the housing agreement today the ceilings are so high that i don't think those

[1:07:16] Voice 5: means the test of affordable housing so those are some of my concerns that and that's that's it thank

[1:07:21] Voice 5: you okay thanks very much i'm

[1:07:33] Voice 24: going to ask uh once if there are any more speakers yes yes

[1:07:47] Voice 1: i'm still second burning

[1:07:48] Voice 1: um okay so i've spoken about myself trying i'm trying to open a business here on the island

[1:07:57] Voice 1: that will be up and around for years and years and I do not have secure long-term housing um

[1:08:03] Voice 1: I've also have spoken with uh the owners of another restaurant on the island they are renting

[1:08:10] Voice 1: a $1,500 like top floor space that has no kitchen to them at all um they've been looking for

[1:08:21] Voice 1: for somewhere else to stay. They have a new baby. There was a rickety $1,500 a month, like log

[1:08:29] Voice 1: cabin on the top of a hill that was not accessible by vehicles for the most part. There was another

[1:08:36] Voice 1: one that $1,900 a month that was actually up for sale as well. So you got to live in there

[1:08:41] Voice 1: maybe until it sold. And then there was a $4,000 waterfront home. None of, none of these are

[1:08:49] Voice 1: affordable housing they don't make sense for a family and when we're talking about affordable

[1:08:54] Voice 1: housing i like i said we're we're very much just we're just working to survive to live here this

[1:09:00] Voice 1: is what we're doing um affordable housing for me like the money thing obviously like you know

[1:09:09] Voice 1: there's a big difference between being able to afford fifteen sixteen hundred dollars for a house

[1:09:13] Voice 1: and being able to spend afford four thousand dollars so affordable housing is still somewhere

[1:09:19] Voice 1: are in there it's still it's in that you know a thousand to two thousand dollar range a lot of

[1:09:24] Voice 1: people you can make it work um but the biggest biggest issue that people face is trying to find

[1:09:32] Voice 1: a place that they can live that is secure and that security then allows them to continue to put their

[1:09:40] Voice 1: their feelers out continue to put their their heart into the community to really give back

[1:09:46] Voice 1: back um in ways that you you just can't or it's terrifying to do if you don't know it's your house

[1:09:54] Voice 1: is going to be pulled out from under you um that is the the biggest thing i've spoken to so many

[1:10:00] Voice 1: people who are such valuable members of this island who contribute so much and they want to

[1:10:08] Voice 1: do more and they want to live here and we lose them i've seen it time and time again people

[1:10:13] Voice 1: people running farms, etc. We've lost so many fantastic people over the 11 years I've lived here

[1:10:20] Voice 1: because there's just, there's, the housing isn't available. There's been so many that have been

[1:10:26] Voice 1: sold and taken off the market because the prices, like the house market is fantastic right now for

[1:10:32] Voice 1: a lot of people, or it was a year ago. So many have been turned into Airbnbs. We need, need this

[1:10:41] Voice 1: this working class to be on this island.

[1:10:44] Voice 1: We need them working in the restaurants,

[1:10:46] Voice 1: working in the grocery stores, having children here,

[1:10:49] Voice 1: being able to live here with children,

[1:10:52] Voice 1: have them in the schools.

[1:10:53] Voice 1: This is what makes an island, a community thrive.

[1:10:57] Voice 1: This may not be the absolute perfect property.

[1:11:01] Voice 1: Anywhere that this initiative they try and put up,

[1:11:05] Voice 1: they try and, you know,

[1:11:07] Voice 1: there's always gonna be people saying it's not right

[1:11:09] Voice 1: for this reason or the other.

[1:11:10] Voice 1: people don't want them as neighbors um but this this land was given to them and this is this is

[1:11:17] Voice 1: an offer that it doesn't come up all the time and we would be really remiss to not at least take the

[1:11:24] Voice 1: next step of rezoning take the next step and looking into what can be done on that that

[1:11:29] Voice 1: specific property that was gifted to us in order to try and really secure the future of the island

[1:11:34] Voice 1: and for everybody and for the next generation that wants to be here thank you okay i've got

[1:11:44] Voice 24: some first-time

[1:11:44] Voice 23: speakers who haven't spoken yet so i'm going to go to them first and i'll come

[1:11:48] Voice 23: back to you if that's all right um this is always what happens people hear things and they want to

[1:11:53] Voice 23: speak yes please come up here

[1:11:55] Voice 13: uh i'm

[1:11:57] Voice 23: sorry i don't know yeah

[1:11:58] Voice 13: bill in the cloud i uh live at

[1:12:02] Voice 13: at 455 Village Bay Road.

[1:12:04] Voice 13: Go ahead.

[1:12:05] Voice 13: And I'm renting from that guy over there.

[1:12:10] Voice 13: Anyway, what Stephanie just said reminded me

[1:12:14] Voice 13: of postings I keep seeing

[1:12:16] Voice 13: on the Maine Island Community Facebook pages

[1:12:20] Voice 13: of people saying,

[1:12:22] Voice 13: oh, I'm planning on moving to Maine Island,

[1:12:25] Voice 13: open a business, be providing,

[1:12:29] Voice 13: it'll be a great opportunity to provide employment i just need a place to rent to live

[1:12:37] Voice 13: and uh so and that's the situation and uh most my house actually isn't uh all that great a place to

[1:12:47] Voice 13: live but uh i cl i've clung to it for 20 years because uh i i couldn't find another place where

[1:12:55] Voice 13: i can only be evicted by earthquake fire or flood okay

[1:12:59] Voice 23: thank you very much yes sir could you join us

[1:13:04] Voice 23: up front please

[1:13:04] Voice 15: thank

[1:13:12] Voice 3: you my name is garth over um i live at 537 club crescent uh i grew up in

[1:13:19] Voice 3: affordable housing in the projects nasty projects and here i am because of that i cared for three

[1:13:28] Voice 3: three invalid brothers in poverty.

[1:13:32] Voice 3: I'm completely in support of this.

[1:13:36] Voice 3: I think it's a starting point.

[1:13:37] Voice 3: I think we need more.

[1:13:39] Voice 3: And I think that we need to,

[1:13:43] Voice 3: I believe in science and I look at the studies.

[1:13:47] Voice 3: I also wanna say that I represent some people

[1:13:50] Voice 3: that didn't come today to the meeting

[1:13:54] Voice 3: because they were afraid to have their voices raised.

[1:14:00] Voice 3: because of some videos that were posted online and they didn't want to be even their ip addresses

[1:14:11] Voice 3: so that's what i wanted to say okay

[1:14:16] Voice 24: any other first-time speakers thank you you wanted to

[1:14:21] Voice 24: speak again briefly so

[1:14:30] Voice 19: i'm still cat fernio 543 fern hill um a lot of points have been brought

[1:14:36] Voice 19: brought up today that I think are super valid.

[1:14:39] Voice 19: And I think one thing that hasn't been said

[1:14:41] Voice 19: during this Islands Press public hearing is that

[1:14:46] Voice 19: should the rezoning go ahead,

[1:14:49] Voice 19: this does not mean that the affordable housing

[1:14:52] Voice 19: gets built on that property.

[1:14:54] Voice 19: This means there is greater capacity to seek out

[1:14:57] Voice 19: getting this affordable housing built there.

[1:15:00] Voice 19: It is not a sure bet,

[1:15:02] Voice 19: but it is a step that needs to be taken

[1:15:04] Voice 19: to be able to figure out how to mitigate a lot of the water concerns because a lot of things can't

[1:15:10] Voice 19: be done until the rezonings happen this set of dominoes of how this works is difficult for anyone

[1:15:18] Voice 19: on either side of this to manage but if it were instead owned privately and not held by a non-profit

[1:15:29] Voice 19: it uh social housing organization if it was held privately the neighbors wouldn't have any say

[1:15:36] Voice 19: really in a lot of things that could be done there in the same way that uh at least their

[1:15:42] Voice 19: concerns are being heard through this and i think that's a benefit that maybe some neighbors are not

[1:15:50] Voice 19: feeling because now you have the opportunity to speak now and i think that that's a great

[1:15:55] Voice 19: boom to you. And I also think that it's important to note that while this wouldn't actually change

[1:16:02] Voice 19: the entire dynamic of the need for affordable housing on this island, because it will still

[1:16:09] Voice 19: take time, should it be rezoned, we are still in an emergency state, even just the hope will keep

[1:16:16] Voice 19: some people here in ways that, you know, they would have to emergency run away if there's no

[1:16:23] Voice 19: hope so i think i think that's all i wanted to tell you okay

[1:16:33] Voice 24: so uh just to remind yes mr what

[1:16:37] Voice 24: you wish to speak again five

[1:16:48] Voice 20: and a half years ago my husband and i made a conscientious decision

[1:16:54] Voice 20: to buy a property for the express purposes of renting there was a young family living on the

[1:17:03] Voice 20: island well they weren't quite a family yet a young couple living on the island who were expecting

[1:17:08] Voice 20: their first child. They had nowhere to live. They had a cutoff date set in their minds that if they

[1:17:19] Voice 20: didn't find a place by June 1st of 2018, they would leave the island because they needed

[1:17:29] Voice 20: housing for their child that was coming into the world. I'm very proud to say that those people

[1:17:35] Voice 20: people still rent my house at a very affordable price and I'm proud to be able to supply rental

[1:17:43] Voice 20: to the island to an island family I know that it's not possible for everyone to do we were in

[1:17:50] Voice 20: a position where we had some cash to play with and we chose rather than putting it in the market where

[1:17:57] Voice 20: who knows what the heck would have happened to it we invested in an island and I'm very

[1:18:02] Voice 20: proud of it i'd like to see other people and challenge other people who are of the the

[1:18:09] Voice 20: capability to do that to consider making that decision okay

[1:18:17] Voice 24: so on the um bylaws that are before

[1:18:21] Voice 24: us does anybody else wish to speak uh in terms of what's

[1:18:25] Voice 10: going to happen i'm going to say something

[1:18:27] Voice 10: something

[1:18:27] Voice 17: I'm

[1:18:30] Voice 10: Lindsay Woods and I live on uh 361 Maple Drive and I did rent property to somebody

[1:18:39] Voice 10: that works on this island okay

[1:18:40] Voice 24: so so this is where we don't want to go we do

[1:18:43] Voice 10: not want to go

[1:18:44] Voice 24: just a second we don't want to go into uh who's done the best job for the

[1:18:47] Voice 10: I know I

[1:18:48] Voice 24: know but I'm

[1:18:48] Voice 24: who's rented what to whom this is about this project and these bylaws so here so i i and i

[1:18:57] Voice 24: noted you turned to speak to the last speaker and i like to address that i'm

[1:19:02] Voice 11: sorry but i have done

[1:19:03] Voice 11: i have rented to on this for on this island and it did was not a favorable outcome so okay sometimes

[1:19:09] Voice 11: that happens right

[1:19:11] Voice 24: that's not

[1:19:12] Voice 24: with this community conversation you can have a community conversation

[1:19:15] Voice 24: about who should rent who should right

[1:19:17] Voice 5: mr

[1:19:18] Voice 24: mackie you wish to have one last word

[1:19:20] Voice 24: i

[1:19:21] Voice 5: don't want the last word well

[1:19:22] Voice 24: it's going to be here i think

[1:19:26] Voice 5: i think that foot is exactly doing what i think a lot of main islanders should do okay again yeah

[1:19:33] Voice 24: i don't want to get into whether private landowners should be renting their houses

[1:19:37] Voice 24: out or not unless it's related specifically to these bylaws this application let's talk about

[1:19:44] Voice 23: of that

[1:19:44] Voice 5: you can go further more cheaply by working with private landowners than you can with the main

[1:19:49] Voice 5: island housing societies that's in evidence we've created since the last census we've gone from 40

[1:19:57] Voice 5: or 45 renter households to 90. that's through the efforts of the of private landowners i think

[1:20:06] Voice 5: that's a viable alternative i think there's a lot of potential there and i think we can move more

[1:20:11] Voice 5: quickly that way than with the housing society that i just want to emphasize i think deb foot is

[1:20:18] Voice 5: right

[1:20:19] Voice 23: on thank you okay so

[1:20:24] Voice 24: back to my script um i'm going to ask once more for any more speakers

[1:20:30] Voice 24: about the bylaws and the and that we're considering as a local trust committee i'm sorry

[1:20:35] Voice 24: i'm going to take this off so that i can be heard uh any more speakers i'm going to ask a second

[1:20:42] Voice 24: time for any more speakers. And then what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask a third time for

[1:20:50] Voice 24: any more speakers. And then what I'm going to do is I'm going to stand the public hearing down for

[1:20:57] Voice 24: just for 10 minutes, because we need to look at these and decide which of these we haven't seen.

[1:21:03] Voice 24: Some of those I know we've already seen or heard, but there might be others that we haven't. So

[1:21:08] Voice 24: what i'm going to suggest is that we we break until um 2 35 and then i'll come back and close

[1:21:16] Voice 24: the public hearing and uh then we'll move back into our agenda so we're going to we're going

[1:21:21] Voice 24: to adjourn for for 10 minutes right now so the three of us can have a chance to look at those

[1:21:27] Voice 24: so thank you very much we'll just adjourn and stand down and i'll just pause the recording

[1:21:32] Voice 24: for a moment here.

[1:21:34] Voice 24: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:21:35] Voice 24: So we've had an opportunity,

[1:21:36] Voice 24: I just checked the trustees,

[1:21:38] Voice 24: we've all had an opportunity to review the material

[1:21:42] Voice 24: that was provided to us today,

[1:21:44] Voice 24: plus all of the other material that we've had.

[1:21:47] Voice 24: So there being no further speakers,

[1:21:50] Voice 24: I'm going to close the public hearing.

[1:21:54] Voice 24: Please be advised that we are now

[1:21:56] Voice 24: in the post public hearing stage

[1:21:58] Voice 24: of the legislative review of proposed bylaws 181

[1:22:02] Voice 24: in way three the main eye local trust community can now no longer receive information pertaining

[1:22:08] Voice 24: to the proposed bylaws however you can still submit any questions or comments directly to

[1:22:14] Voice 24: the planner um and i will say that we can on occasion ask clarifying questions from the

[1:22:21] Voice 24: planners uh the lcc may give further readings in the bylaw or defeat the bylaw or make minor

[1:22:28] Voice 24: amendments that do not affect the user density without further notice of

[1:22:31] Voice 24: hearing so will the public hearing is now closed and we're going to reopen the

[1:22:39] Voice 24: actual I can find my agenda the the main the special meeting agenda so we're

[1:22:49] Voice 24: recalled to order and the first item on the agenda is in fact the Maine Island

[1:22:56] Voice 24: housing society proposed bylaws 181 and 883 there is if you're watching or you have the

[1:23:03] Voice 24: on your computer or you were if you're at home that's a page 10 through 48 of the

[1:23:11] Voice 24: of the agenda package and so over to a planner chadwick and for your report and perhaps if you

[1:23:21] Voice 24: have anything you'd like to add as well related to the issue that arose at the last meeting related

[1:23:27] Voice 24: to the um modi and the and the surface water containment what you can tell us about that

[1:23:33] Voice 24: please add that into your report as well go ahead thank

[1:23:37] Voice 14: you chair rogers um yeah so the report

[1:23:40] Voice 14: basically just summarizes the bylaws we've already sort of spoken about those in the public hearing

[1:23:47] Voice 14: 181 is an amendment to the OCP. It designates the proposed multifamily rental housing portion

[1:23:55] Voice 14: of the parent property. It designates three acres of the parent property from rural to

[1:24:03] Voice 14: multifamily residential. The LTC gave the bylaw 181 first reading at the June

[1:24:18] Voice 14: at the same time first meeting was given to bylaw 183 and that's why the name is the creation of

[1:24:25] Voice 14: three lots and parent property and um it split zones the property so one portion will be

[1:24:32] Voice 14: um will be be zoned um to support the the rental housing uh and the other will be zoned to allow

[1:24:41] Voice 14: out for the remaining portion into two into two lots so we're ending up with three lots in total

[1:24:50] Voice 14: roughly about three acres a piece um so as i mentioned uh both those files were read for

[1:24:56] Voice 14: the first time actually so what is remaining is for them to um read for the second third time

[1:25:03] Voice 14: and then for them to be sent forward to the executive committee for approval.

[1:25:11] Voice 14: Bylaw 182 is the housing agreement.

[1:25:15] Voice 14: Now, the housing agreement was read for the first and second time,

[1:25:20] Voice 14: and there was also approval for signing of the housing agreement by the chair

[1:25:29] Voice 14: once the bellow 181 and 183 had been read for the first time.

[1:25:38] Voice 14: The other item here is the covenant.

[1:25:46] Voice 14: So the covenant is connected to the overall project and it provides a number of restrictions related to

[1:26:00] Voice 14: related to required restricting building until there's there's approvals for water treatment

[1:26:06] Voice 14: for example that restricts building areas on lot three and lot two and includes requirements

[1:26:11] Voice 14: for ongoing maintenance of water treatment restricts building until the design of septic

[1:26:16] Voice 14: septic has been approved restricts building uh to what's been recommended in the uh

[1:26:22] Voice 14: uh uh ecological assessment report wetland restoration report and it restricts the

[1:26:28] Voice 14: commencement on a building on block two until occupancy is received for uh five buildings on

[1:26:36] Voice 14: block and and that's there's also that that um that expires

[1:26:53] Voice 14: um so that's sort of the that's just a summary summarization of of the bylaws and the covenant

[1:27:01] Voice 14: that accompanies them um and we'll move back over to you chair rogers you want to

[1:27:09] Voice 14: for the questions right with respect to the water yeah

[1:27:12] Voice 24: well if there was more i sort of cut you off

[1:27:14] Voice 24: yeah

[1:27:14] Voice 14: explanation of that

[1:27:17] Voice 24: and answer the question in the

[1:27:18] Voice 24: middle of public hearing so if you have

[1:27:19] Voice 24: more yeah if you have more to add about that please feel free yeah

[1:27:24] Voice 14: yeah so the water with

[1:27:26] Voice 14: respect to the water um it is something that uh that that that uh ministry of transportation has

[1:27:33] been aware of and um as as i mentioned um they've got they were actually

[1:27:39] Voice 14: on site with me and walked

[1:27:40] Voice 14: through we had a look at the culverts we talked about water flow all of that information will be

[1:27:46] Voice 14: provided to the subdivision approving uh officer um and the the necessary um um professionals will

[1:27:59] Voice 14: be involved and so modi has does have uh hydro hydro hydro uh hydrologists on staff so as part

[1:28:08] Voice 14: part of the subdivision process and they'll look at, you know, they do have

[1:28:14] Voice 14: the opportunity to look at whether there's anything that they can do, for

[1:28:16] Voice 14: example, they'll look at that, they'll look at the natural flow of water. And,

[1:28:20] Voice 14: and the decisions related subdivision will take into all that into account.

[1:28:29] Voice 14: And they may suggest, oftentimes, they may suggest that some, some kinds of

[1:28:37] Voice 14: remediation or mitigation that the property owner may have to engage in some kind of

[1:28:46] Voice 14: engagement efforts depending on whatever their studies reveals but that's going to be

[1:28:56] Voice 14: identified. So

[1:28:58] Voice 24: look I think it's always useful for at least for me and I think members of the

[1:29:04] Voice 24: public to understand uh how the subdivision process works uh it goes to modi yeah and what

[1:29:11] Voice 24: the role of the island's trust is in that is because we become a referral agency that's right

[1:29:15] Voice 24: yeah and we can make as the local trust committee or the staff can make suggestions or requests

[1:29:21] Voice 24: to the uh demote about things that should be conditions before the subdivision is approved

[1:29:27] Voice 24: that's the way i understand correct

[1:29:29] Voice 15: yeah yeah that's the way and

[1:29:31] Voice 24: with that with the with the

[1:29:32] Voice 24: water issue be one of those things that you might make a situation that

[1:29:36] Voice 14: would be that would be what

[1:29:37] Voice 14: we would make suggestions about and in this case we've sort of given them like a pre-heads up right

[1:29:46] Voice 14: right indicating that that's what we'll okay

[1:29:48] Voice 24: do you have anything else that did either of you have

[1:29:51] Voice 24: questions for the planner related to the staff reporter of that issue okay so trustees we have

[1:30:00] Voice 24: series of recommendations from the planner i uh how do you wish to proceed i'm

[1:30:09] Voice 12: ready to move the

[1:30:10] Voice 12: motions but i'm just not sure at what point to speak to them well what

[1:30:14] Voice 24: i would suggest what i

[1:30:15] Voice 24: might suggest is we don't need to speak like all the motions are related yes i thought maybe if we

[1:30:21] Voice 24: wanted to put one motion the first motion on the table and sort of agree that we'll all speak to

[1:30:26] Voice 24: that one and then unless you feel the need

[1:30:28] Voice 24: unless something's differentiated we don't have to speak

[1:30:30] Voice 24: anymore and

[1:30:31] Voice 12: i'll make the first motion so we can speak um i move that the main island local trust

[1:30:35] Voice 12: committee proposed bylaw number 181 cited as main island official community plan bylaw number 144

[1:30:43] Voice 12: 2007 amendment number one 2021 be ready for a second time is

[1:30:48] Voice 22: there a second a second discussion

[1:30:49] Voice 22: okay so let's trustees i'm going to let the two of you discuss it first and then i may speak as well

[1:30:55] Voice 15: okay

[1:30:55] Voice 12: well i i'll go first i wouldn't go first i want to say right off the top that um i think

[1:31:04] Voice 12: this for me is the very first time i've done in 20 years done a rezoning that's increased density

[1:31:11] Voice 12: i've never done a result for increased density whether it's for affordable housing or whatever

[1:31:17] Voice 12: development and the most important thing i think that's happened here or the most unfortunate thing

[1:31:24] Voice 12: that we just happened here at least suggested was that right from the beginning i think consideration

[1:31:30] Voice 12: we as a trust commission insisted before we even got the application that neighbors be consulted

[1:31:36] Voice 12: in in an ongoing way in a fulsome way in a meeting a gathering information sharing i do believe

[1:31:43] Voice 12: firmly that the neighbors were completely left out of this discussion for the simple fact that

[1:31:48] Voice 12: i think the proposal that was going again unfortunately did not at any point consider

[1:31:54] Voice 12: the fact that the impact would be on the immediate neighbors and i think that's that we're remiss in

[1:32:00] Voice 12: the trust committee not stopping the process at some point saying you really need to work out the

[1:32:05] Voice 12: differences with your neighbors we don't do any development variance permits or temporary use

[1:32:10] Voice 12: permits or any of that without telling people neighbors matter and their input matters and so

[1:32:16] Voice 12: i'm just giving that lecture now that i think the trust committee itself needs to make sure

[1:32:21] Voice 12: that in the future and future applications especially for reasonable needs that we

[1:32:26] Voice 12: have mechanisms in place where neighbors are consulted from the beginning we live in a rural

[1:32:31] Voice 12: community and we don't expect change in our community we buy a piece of property with a

[1:32:36] Voice 12: force behind us and we naively believe the force will always be there and it's it's unfortunate

[1:32:42] Voice 12: that that step wasn't taken.

[1:32:44] Voice 12: I don't know that having taken that step,

[1:32:47] Voice 12: that the neighbors would have had less opposition,

[1:32:49] Voice 12: but they at least would have felt more listened to.

[1:32:52] Voice 12: Whereas their opportunity to speak to the proponents

[1:32:55] Voice 12: has been within meetings, some of which were Zoom,

[1:32:59] Voice 12: and they have felt very much

[1:33:00] Voice 12: that their side has not been heard.

[1:33:02] Voice 12: And we've heard over numerous meetings

[1:33:05] Voice 12: of the concerns of the neighbors.

[1:33:06] Voice 12: So that's number one.

[1:33:07] Voice 12: Now I've lost my train of thought, totally.

[1:33:12] Voice 12: so that's my first first concern um my next issue and you and i can't you know i can put this all in

[1:33:20] Voice 12: my head ahead of time i can't write out a speech ahead of time i have to listen to the conversation

[1:33:24] Voice 12: that went on here to listen to people's concerns so going

[1:33:28] Voice 12: back to the concern about the property

[1:33:30] Voice 12: not being suitable the property on the face of it is in an ideal location the wetlands issue

[1:33:37] Voice 12: is a problem but can be mitigated so in terms of location it is actually geographically close to

[1:33:44] Voice 12: the ferry close to the stores close to the school so it is a good location it's unfortunate that

[1:33:50] Voice 12: it's wet um the other issue was over the fact that i'm not doing very well with um the fact

[1:33:58] Voice 12: that it's uh um that the expectation of the neighborhood that it would always remain an

[1:34:04] Voice 12: undisturbed piece of property is a false expectation the way that land sits right now

[1:34:11] Voice 12: the trust committee has no authority over that land that land could be as tim and rebecca's was

[1:34:17] Voice 12: clear-cut today could be very much disturbed today so that's one point the land is vulnerable as it

[1:34:24] Voice 12: sits right now without any restrictions on it um this is going to come out in bits and pieces and

[1:34:29] Voice 12: maybe i'll come back to some of that later um we talked a lot about rental security i've been a

[1:34:35] Voice 12: landlord on the analysis 1970 something so i've had lots of tenants i know tenants problems i know

[1:34:42] Voice 12: people who've been you know renters for 45 years so i know we do not have any purpose-built rentals

[1:34:48] Voice 12: on the island this is an opportunity for purpose-built rentals whether as tim says whether

[1:34:54] Voice 12: the and i've had concerns throughout already over the actual affordability of these i definitely

[1:35:00] Voice 12: question but the reality is that these would be linked to incomes and they would be purpose-built

[1:35:05] Voice 12: so that that is i think key i think that stephanie says this and other people said the security of

[1:35:13] Voice 12: actually having a rental that you do will always be a rental main island well all of us can have

[1:35:18] Voice 12: rentals uh build rentals or buy rentals as debt they're still not the security because someday

[1:35:23] Voice 12: day dev may not be here or I may need to cash in on my real estate or whatever so those are not

[1:35:30] Voice 12: you know there's no security no sorts of rentals oh maybe I'll let the rest go and I'll come back

[1:35:37] Voice 12: to um going back okay to the surface water surface water is a huge issue but the reality is that

[1:35:44] Voice 12: surface water was there before Catherine moved into your house there's big ditches on both sides

[1:35:50] Voice 12: of your property when newton's built that house that whole area was a wetlands errol's old house

[1:35:55] Voice 12: all of that you know obviously the subdivision was done in the early 60s obviously there's never been

[1:36:01] Voice 12: a water management plan for main island mount park was subdivided trees were cut roads were built

[1:36:06] Voice 12: huge drainage issues everywhere always has been wet so that water that's there now

[1:36:11] Voice 12: has always been there the concern from the beginning was would the water situation get worse

[1:36:16] Voice 12: and the concerning question is you know what can we do about the water we do have through the

[1:36:22] Voice 12: subdivision process and even now some to bring pressure there on trying to fix the water that's

[1:36:28] Voice 12: there right now so that's something that the

[1:36:31] Voice 12: trust committee can do what i heard in our public

[1:36:34] Voice 12: information meeting about the new water the water being pumped out of the well i was wondering about

[1:36:39] Voice 12: that but apparently as part of the building process that water has to be addressed through

[1:36:44] Voice 12: construction to mitigate that water that will be coming from the well through the septic sewer

[1:36:49] Voice 12: system so that's to me the question of the surface water right now if we do nothing we're not going

[1:36:55] Voice 12: to solve your problem if we do something there's a potential quite clearly yeah we don't know so

[1:37:03] Voice 12: glenn asked that question a few meetings ago like you know how do you know any of this is going to

[1:37:07] Voice 12: happen we have a whole bunch of reports we have wetland mediation we have the septic engineer

[1:37:12] Voice 12: here we have that well person who tells us there's tons of water lots of information there that

[1:37:18] Voice 12: doesn't there's no red flags being played even highways are like these are some of the things

[1:37:22] Voice 12: we might be able to do we don't do anything nothing's going to change um in terms of lack

[1:37:28] Voice 12: of water on the 23 landowners that are currently on minty drive or minty sorry maple drive i did

[1:37:35] Voice 12: ask a long time ago i firmly believe that that well which we're told is the magic well should

[1:37:41] Voice 12: should have been shared by easement to all of the landowners that were within its reach.

[1:37:46] Voice 12: And easement on that property for the Housing Society would have been a handout to the neighbors to say,

[1:37:51] Voice 12: if your well's no good, we have tons, we're going to be operating a water system for our 10 houses,

[1:37:58] Voice 12: we can reach out and extend that for 20 houses or 23 houses.

[1:38:02] Voice 12: So I think that was a failure on the part of the Housing Society to not take that as an amenity to the neighborhood,

[1:38:07] Voice 12: with to say here's the opportunity then you don't have to worry about your well when you drive

[1:38:12] Voice 12: but there was that issue um okay i think i'm going to have to oh i know the buffer the buffer and and

[1:38:20] Voice 12: i you know we've tried and tried to move that buffer it's 25 feet from your property line the

[1:38:26] Voice 12: reason we're not moving it anymore is because we're getting into a very narrow area where

[1:38:31] Voice 12: construction can occur and we've got the driveway out of the way and and i don't know if we can

[1:38:37] Voice 12: can force that buffer to stay as trees be retreated. I've heard

[1:38:41] Voice 12: that big housing society would would not want to disturb that

[1:38:45] Voice 12: area. Whether replanting more vegetation would help. I wish we

[1:38:50] Voice 12: could move the whole housing over to lot two, but lot two is

[1:38:54] Voice 12: even wetter than lot three. So the buffer unfortunately, is to

[1:39:00] Voice 12: me a relatively narrow buffer, whereas the buffer between on

[1:39:03] Voice 12: the north side of that property is more like about 1000 feet.

[1:39:07] Voice 12: quite substantial distance from the housing to the nearest property owner so that was the buffer

[1:39:13] Voice 12: issue um see what else so oh and i think that's i think that's um

[1:39:23] Voice 12: okay so that's kind of all my thoughts at this moment so i will i will leave i'll leave it for

[1:39:31] Voice 12: this person

[1:39:32] Voice 24: can you can you if i could could

[1:39:35] Voice 24: i i just want to ask you are you going to be

[1:39:37] Voice 24: SUPPORTING THE MOTION THEN

[1:39:38] Voice 12: I'M SUPPORTING THE MOTION YES OKAY

[1:39:40] Voice 24: I JUST I JUST WANT TO BE SORRY

[1:39:42] Voice 12: IT'S IN BITS AND NO

[1:39:43] Voice 24: I KNOW IT WASN'T

[1:39:44] Voice 12: THAT'S THE DRIFT

[1:39:45] Voice 24: THAT I GOT BUT I WASN'T ABSOLUTELY

[1:39:49] Voice 21: TRUSTEE MOORE

[1:39:50] Voice 21: OKAY I'LL ECHO EVERYTHING THE TRUSTEE DOTS JUST SAID UM SHE'S WELL DISTILLED

[1:39:57] Voice 21: A LOT OF THE ISSUES UM THE THE ONE DIDN'T TOUCH ON WAS WASTEWATER UM IT'S ONE OF THE BUSINESSES

[1:40:07] Voice 21: I've worked in for many many years and I do sort of have a concern there with a wetland

[1:40:12] Voice 21: because what tends to happen is if you have an issue with a drain fill in a wetland it literally

[1:40:20] Voice 21: telegraphs through the water table and with all the neighbors having wells that's kind of a big

[1:40:27] Voice 21: health concern again we have reports we have experts we have eho hopefully going to be involved

[1:40:34] Voice 21: all, hopefully these things are to be addressed, but I can only echo what Trustee Dodd said

[1:40:43] Voice 21: about how the neighbors have been treated through this whole process. I just, I don't understand it

[1:40:51] Voice 21: because if I was going forward with the proposal of one subdivision of anything, no matter what it

[1:40:58] Voice 21: was, the first person I'm going to do is I'm going to knock on my neighbor's doors. I'm going to talk

[1:41:03] Voice 21: to them and i'm going to i'm going to say this is what i'm going to do and typically speaking

[1:41:08] Voice 21: that type of action kind of tends to get people on board um like i would have been knocking on

[1:41:16] Voice 21: catherine's door and saying you know we're thinking about doing something here there's

[1:41:21] Voice 21: a drainage problem can we sort of sort out some sort of easement so we can get the the drainage

[1:41:27] Voice 21: down we'll take care of your problem take care of our problem and we'll fix things for the

[1:41:31] Voice 21: neighborhood but those conversations don't seem to have happened and all the way through but and

[1:41:39] Voice 21: i just it really bothers me and although yes we have consultants reports and we have staff reports

[1:41:47] Voice 21: and we have assurances on in my mind in just i don't think we're there yet the like we we hear

[1:41:57] Voice 21: basically the way the water flows is from lot one to lot two to lot three and as mr mackie said is

[1:42:03] Voice 21: you know we've got remediation on lot three a little bit of remediation on lot two but nothing

[1:42:10] Voice 21: happening in lot one so we we have a problem that's on a property but as we go downstream

[1:42:17] Voice 21: or upstream we're not dealing with the whole problem on the whole property i just i there's

[1:42:25] Voice 21: all these little things in the back of my mind that just say you know i'm just not comfortable

[1:42:30] Voice 21: is what i do acknowledge and as many people said is we have housing problems on this island we

[1:42:38] Voice 21: there are needs all over the place for all solutions and we need to work as a community

[1:42:45] Voice 21: to figure it out but i'm looking at a community down at maple drive who virtually every property

[1:42:53] Voice 21: owner every neighbor for this project has expressed to us that they are seriously concerned about the

[1:42:59] Voice 21: project and not in support of it and at some point you have to respect your neighbors and if the

[1:43:07] Voice 21: neighbors aren't happy and we as a local trust committee and and the housing society's proponents

[1:43:14] Voice 21: have not been able to satisfy the concerns the neighbors i don't think our job is done is that

[1:43:20] Voice 21: that, you know, even if we had one or two neighbors here out of, what, 20 who said,

[1:43:26] Voice 21: you know, I'm in favor of this, we don't have one, and that really bothers me, and so, like,

[1:43:35] Voice 21: I can probably assume that if I vote in opposition to these bylaws that they will go forward,

[1:43:43] Voice 21: but I think I will be basically voting in opposition because I don't think we're done,

[1:43:49] Voice 21: and i think the neighbors need to know that they've been listened

[1:43:52] Voice 15: to thank you so you're

[1:44:00] Voice 15: going to vote no yes and

[1:44:04] Voice 24: you don't think that the two and a half years of our public process has

[1:44:08] Voice 24: cured what you've described

[1:44:10] Voice 21: as the lack of consultation with the neighbors

[1:44:13] Voice 21: well in that we just got a letter from the neighbors saying no i know they're opposed

[1:44:18] Voice 21: i asked you

[1:44:19] Voice 24: whether or not you think that our two and a half years of public consultation

[1:44:23] Voice 24: since we got this application, has cured whatever lack of public consultation there was before.

[1:44:30] Voice 24: No. So two CIMs, public hearing, a dozen local trust committee meetings where we've discussed this and had input,

[1:44:42] Voice 24: our individual meetings with them, that's not. So what do you think needs to happen? Starts over?

[1:44:49] Voice 21: not start over but i i think particularly the the surface and the groundwater issues i would be

[1:44:57] Voice 21: much more satisfied if there was two individual third-party reports prepared that basically looked

[1:45:04] Voice 21: at a b and c and said this is going to work this is not going to work so um because the neighbors

[1:45:14] Voice 21: need to have some sort of comfort and obviously they're not comfortable uh

[1:45:23] Voice 24: trustee dodge are you

[1:45:24] Voice 24: still going to support the motion yes

[1:45:25] Voice 12: i am okay

[1:45:26] Voice 24: so that's fine i just wanted to know what position i

[1:45:31] Voice 24: was in which is a position i didn't want to know throughout this whole thing um so um um i i do

[1:45:48] Voice 24: have some uh some notes that i have written over the last couple days and i've modified them during

[1:45:54] Voice 24: the public hearing today to address some of the issues that were raised um and it is not a good

[1:46:01] Voice 24: position for me to be in that that as an off-island chair to have to cast the deciding vote

[1:46:07] Voice 24: and just so you know if i if i abstain it's it's treated as a vote in favor in any case so

[1:46:13] Voice 24: i can't abstain i either have to vote in favor or i'm focused um and that's just the way the

[1:46:19] Voice 24: local government act works and it's not designed for three-person local trust communities so i'll

[1:46:26] Voice 24: start by being clear as to what i'm going to do which is that i'm going to support the bylaws

[1:46:33] Voice 24: and i but i think it's important and given this is my last meeting you're going to have to listen

[1:46:39] Voice 24: to me for a minute that i tell you the reasons why i support the bylaws in some detail because

[1:46:46] Voice 24: Because I think it's important for people to know the reason why and to give me reasons.

[1:46:55] Voice 24: We've had this application for over two years.

[1:46:58] Voice 24: I was looking back.

[1:46:58] Voice 24: I spent a fair amount of time yesterday reviewing everything from the beginning.

[1:47:02] Voice 24: And in that time, I've read and reread all the reports, both by staff and by the retained experts.

[1:47:10] Voice 24: All of the correspondence, and there has been a fair amount, including that filed for this

[1:47:17] Voice 24: public hearing.

[1:47:18] Voice 24: And I've read the APC reports and the recommendations from the APC who, by the way, it does bear

[1:47:26] Voice 24: saying did support the application in the form that it's before us.

[1:47:31] Voice 24: In addition, I've walked the property and the surrounding properties three times, including

[1:47:37] Voice 24: including once with the neighbors and once with the planner and once with the applicants.

[1:47:45] Voice 24: As well, I have been in every LTC meeting, both of the CIMs, and listened to every speaker

[1:47:55] Voice 24: who spoke on this issue.

[1:47:57] Voice 24: As well, I have discussed the matter with staff, both here at the meetings and also

[1:48:03] Voice 24: to get questions answered when i had questions answered with the staff some may disagree and

[1:48:10] Voice 24: some will disagree including one of the trustees with the conclusions i come to but i will

[1:48:17] Voice 24: categorically stay would be wrong to say that i don't understand the issues or that i haven't

[1:48:23] Voice 24: listened just because i don't uh i don't agree with position doesn't mean i haven't listened

[1:48:29] Voice 24: and listened carefully in fact at times I have corresponded with some of the with the some of

[1:48:34] Voice 24: the uh uh correspondents to let them know uh and ask them further questions so they can provide me

[1:48:40] Voice 24: with further information so then why do I just support the bylaws and I'm going to support them

[1:48:46] Voice 24: all if they all get moved um I start from the common ground and I think it's the common ground

[1:48:52] Voice 24: of most speakers most islanders indeed including those opposed that housing affordability on Maine

[1:49:00] Voice 24: is a serious issue for a variety of reasons it's a problem and here is a proposal to at least

[1:49:08] Voice 24: partly respond and I agree with whoever the presenter was today that said and I'm sorry I

[1:49:14] Voice 24: can't remember who it was that says it's great that there's stuff going on with private land

[1:49:17] Voice 24: holders that that's not the full solution neither is a built purpose built affordable housing the

[1:49:24] Voice 24: full solution and i think we've seen that over these four years as we've worked our way through

[1:49:28] Voice 24: the flex housing project it's a multi-pronged solution there is irony in it that if the 10

[1:49:35] Voice 24: acres in question uh was maintained in its current zoning uh the owner could do substantial

[1:49:43] Voice 24: environmental damage without asking permission from us or us having much control over it.

[1:49:49] Voice 24: We see that happening on a fair amount of cases.

[1:49:58] Voice 24: You could have a much larger house footprint, tree cutting, et cetera.

[1:50:05] Voice 24: Private houses have little or no controls if they fit the zoning.

[1:50:11] Voice 24: zoning there's been extensive requirements of this prop of the proponent in this case because they

[1:50:17] Voice 24: need to rezone the density requests that none of the neighbors were required to meet before

[1:50:30] Voice 24: construction it was also struck by one of the letters we received from someone in support of

[1:50:36] Voice 24: the application that reminded us that while it may seem like a fairly dense proposal if you had

[1:50:42] Voice 24: quarter acre lots there would be more houses and far more coverage of for 12 houses and three acres

[1:50:49] Voice 24: than you would with this particular proposal the trust has has asked for and received a number of

[1:50:57] Voice 24: professional reports that are available have been questioned and assist with some of the issues

[1:51:03] Voice 24: i want to address each of the most important issues that i've seen first of all water

[1:51:09] Voice 24: availability in my view it is clear and we've had the uh the professional here on a couple

[1:51:14] Voice 24: of occasions that the production of the well contained uh in the one and sorry uh that's

[1:51:22] Voice 24: contained in the water management plan provides far than far more than what is sufficient water

[1:51:28] Voice 24: for this proposal development without impacting neighbors this is can we be absolutely certain

[1:51:34] Voice 24: of that no but the professional reports support that this is um uh confirmed by the consultant

[1:51:42] Voice 24: by the trust or freshwater specialist who was involved earlier on and will be or has been

[1:51:48] Voice 24: because i've lost track as to whether the water license has been granted here but if it has it

[1:51:53] Voice 24: will be confirmed by the private province when they grant the water watches as well there is

[1:51:58] Voice 24: substantial protection for the water in the section 219 covenant as is often the case with

[1:52:04] Voice 24: the proposed development the actual design and approval of a septic comes when the building

[1:52:11] Voice 24: permit is applied for and that can't happen without funding which can't happen without

[1:52:19] Voice 24: rezoning so it's sort of a series of steps you get the rezoning you maybe get the funding and then

[1:52:26] Voice 24: you can apply for your building permit and then the final drafting of the documents comes in

[1:52:30] Voice 24: I'm comfortable that the specialist who prepared the MSR report clearly indicates after examining

[1:52:38] Voice 24: the property and doing tests that there is sufficient area and ground for a properly

[1:52:44] Voice 24: functioning septic.

[1:52:45] Voice 24: In addition, the province will oversee this approval and there are also protections, thanks

[1:52:52] Voice 24: to Trustee Maud actually, protections in the section 219 covenant that provide for ensuring

[1:52:59] Voice 24: the septic functions properly what about impacts on the neighbors to the west we've had a lot of

[1:53:05] Voice 24: correspondence from the neighbors to the wet i have i commend the diligence of the neighbors

[1:53:10] Voice 24: in pursuing their interests and the interests of the forest and concerns but i'm not convinced

[1:53:17] Voice 24: this development should negatively impact their effort on their own property

[1:53:23] Voice 24: property. We increased the setback to eight meters, moved the driveway, and the vegetation

[1:53:30] Voice 24: tree buffer will increase on both sides of the bordering land. In my view, any discussion

[1:53:39] Voice 24: of a formal buffer zone, as sort of has been discussed in some of the courses on this,

[1:53:45] Voice 24: between agricultural enterprises and housing, is an island-wide policy discussion, not one

[1:53:51] Voice 24: for a one-off in a particular application it's it's a valid and an important discussion that

[1:53:58] Voice 24: has occurred in some communities i just don't think you've discussed it in the sense of a

[1:54:03] Voice 24: of a one-off application um environmental protection uh i wanted to address that this

[1:54:09] Voice 24: project uh had the the sorry the project section 219 covenant prevents protects important

[1:54:18] Voice 24: important um environmental and wetland and trees the section 219 covers and sorry incorporates

[1:54:26] Voice 24: covenant incorporates both the environmental assessment the arborist arborist report and

[1:54:33] Voice 24: the restoration wet west wetland restoration report and they're all parts of the section 219

[1:54:39] Voice 24: covenant they meant this must might be the most preserved and protection development on Maine

[1:54:46] Voice 24: island from the point of view of the kinds of protections that are contained in the section 219

[1:54:52] Voice 24: covenant so i come to last second lastly actually to the water runoff issue because i think this is

[1:54:59] Voice 24: the part that i have been probably given me the most pause for thought and i think it is uh the

[1:55:05] Voice 24: most concern i think it's fair to say that the concerns of the downhill neighbors regarding water

[1:55:11] Voice 24: or runoff has has caused me to pause for thought the most these concerns are real and justified by

[1:55:18] Voice 24: experience over the years it appears the logging on the neighboring properties and has exacerbated

[1:55:25] Voice 24: this issue substantially as well activity on the subject lot many many years ago many decades ago

[1:55:31] Voice 24: also exacerbated this situation i if you read the the wetland restoration report again they

[1:55:39] Voice 24: go through the history of the of the development of that property and how it's impacted the water

[1:55:45] Voice 24: runoff issue plus we also heard from trustee dodds about the the development uphill that has

[1:55:51] Voice 24: exacerbated this problem it's a problem that needs a solution we we know the water comes from uphill

[1:55:56] Voice 24: and comes across the village bay road and the properties i know that maple bay neighbors are

[1:56:01] Voice 24: concerned that this development will uh exacerbate the situation i get it so we know that any

[1:56:09] Voice 24: development and subdivision must include plans specific plans to deal with uh the what the in

[1:56:18] Voice 24: any increased or insecure water flow we have the water restoration specialist and the water

[1:56:26] Voice 24: management specialists and alive to this issue we have the applicant equally

[1:56:32] Voice 24: alive to this issue and committed to have the the hard-packed ditches

[1:56:40] Voice 24: alleviated and the roads to increase the amount of absorption and that the two

[1:56:46] Voice 24: gathering ponds as well a major focus will be when subdivision occurs to

[1:56:52] Voice 24: alleviate the situation i have concluded this dell this development is most likely to make

[1:56:58] Voice 24: the situation better uh more quickly than nature will given the previous impacts on the land there

[1:57:07] Voice 24: is outstanding illegal as well a legal obligation to not make it worse and that will be the job of

[1:57:14] Voice 24: the approving officer with modi and the applicant lastly i just want to address the issue of

[1:57:20] Voice 24: affordability some argue that this housing agreement doesn't embed affordability i remind

[1:57:26] Voice 24: all this is not social housing if you want social housing on main island you go to the province and

[1:57:33] Voice 24: ask them through bc housing to build and operate social housing this is a an affordable housing

[1:57:40] Voice 24: project done by a not-for-profit housing society designed to provide the most affordable affordable

[1:57:47] Voice 24: affordable housing possible the realities of the funding um of such an endeavor are real

[1:57:55] Voice 24: uh and there's a sequence of events nothing happens without land then nothing happens

[1:58:02] Voice 24: without zoning then nothing happens without funding and funders are not going to fund

[1:58:12] Voice 24: unless there's zoning in place and the funders are the ultimate determiners of what the uh of

[1:58:20] Voice 24: what the affordability will be not the trust in the end it would likely be cmhc or bc housing

[1:58:27] Voice 24: that sets the exact terms of affordability the trust is setting the parameters of that

[1:58:33] Voice 24: pretty much as an envelope if you will uh i with a mech a mix of incomes and average um uh rental

[1:58:42] Voice 24: rates it's not perfect i will tell you that i have watched these these affordable housing agreements

[1:58:48] Voice 24: these housing agreements evolve over the last three or four years as how you fund them becomes

[1:58:53] Voice 24: real but i'm aware of the realities of these types of development so i just want to say

[1:59:03] Voice 24: Clustered development in some minds may seem the antithesis of what the rural nature of Maine Island or any of these islands.

[1:59:12] Voice 24: But in my view, it is the reality of finding a way to provide housing for some on Maine.

[1:59:19] Voice 24: This and other projects are not intended to attract people or tourists or visitors to the island.

[1:59:26] Voice 24: they're intended to provide housing for for seniors workers children and others and families

[1:59:33] Voice 24: on the Iowa someone a few minutes meetings ago and I don't remember who it was said that most

[1:59:40] Voice 24: housing projects of this type are often controversial and are often opposed by people

[1:59:45] Voice 24: in the neighborhood and that a few years after they are in place they have the controversy has

[1:59:52] Voice 24: gone away and the they seem to they seem to work away and the concerns just fall away i'm i

[2:00:00] Voice 24: I believe that will be the case here. The application is only here because of the hard work of the many volunteers, and in my view the will of the majority of mainlanders.

[2:00:11] Voice 24: I wish them luck, and I will be voting in favor of these emotions as they are made.

[2:00:18] Voice 12: Go ahead. Okay. So, um, a couple of things I forgot to mention was, we had a lot of discussion about the sunset clause.

[2:00:27] Voice 12: what will happen if the development doesn't take place and that is entirely funding could be a

[2:00:33] Voice 12: problem but what we would end up with is a piece of property that would have the potential for

[2:00:39] Voice 12: perhaps a different approach maybe a much smaller approach or the possibility that the property

[2:00:45] Voice 12: would just sit undeveloped but the important thing is if the property sat undeveloped it would

[2:00:51] Voice 12: slowly retreat itself wouldn't get rid of that surface water because the ground is so packed

[2:00:55] Voice 12: But what's really important is the amount of covenants that we put on this property lot to which has a building site is a very restricted building site and almost I don't know 50% of all looking at the map and huge portion of lot three and lot to have covenants where no development can take place.

[2:01:16] Voice 12: as has already been said a couple times if this land stayed in private ownership

[2:01:20] Voice 12: that would not be happening so that's really important um and what is important is if the

[2:01:25] Voice 12: project this particular project doesn't go forward it's possible that others could in the future in

[2:01:30] Voice 12: a different form or in a smaller form um the other thing i forgot when i was sort of lecturing the

[2:01:36] Voice 12: housing society and i do have to say my last word we were criticized for delaying this project

[2:01:43] Voice 12: holding up this project and i i have to take take notice of that we were not the ones who asked to

[2:01:50] Voice 12: have the project put on hold for about five months while family issues were resolved we are not the

[2:01:56] Voice 12: ones who were asked to change the definition of the amenity so approximately seven months

[2:02:03] Voice 15: of

[2:02:03] Voice 12: hold up occurred at the request of the housing society we should have been having this public

[2:02:08] Voice 12: hearing back in april or may rather than having to squeeze it into the very last trust meeting

[2:02:14] Voice 12: which dan has graciously continued to come to me so i do want to say that that is the fact that

[2:02:21] Voice 12: that was out there as a given that we had actually held it up i find very insulting to this trust

[2:02:27] Voice 12: committee and so i want people to remember that we did not hold up this project it was complicated

[2:02:33] Voice 12: this is an amenity rezoning Dr McHugh is giving you the land but he is also getting another

[2:02:40] Voice 12: significant benefit in being allowed to subdivide into three lots so it is not totally free land

[2:02:46] Voice 12: I think that's my last word I think we're ready to finish the motions and vote on the first one

[2:02:51] Voice 12: unless

[2:02:52] Voice 24: Trustee Mott has anything to say then I'm going to call the vote on the motion that's on

[2:02:57] Voice 24: the table you've got that cut it's the very first one so that's been moved and seconded

[2:03:02] Voice 24: uh i'll call the vote all in favor there's two in favor and opposed trustee mod you want your vote

[2:03:08] Voice 24: recorded trustee mod which is recorded is there a second motion to be i

[2:03:12] Voice 12: moved that the main local

[2:03:13] Voice 12: trust committee proposed bylaw number 181 cited as main island official community plan bylaw

[2:03:19] Voice 12: number 144 2007 amendment number one 2021 be read for a third time second

[2:03:27] Voice 24: is there any further

[2:03:28] Voice 24: discussion anything anybody wishes to say then i'll call the vote all in favor there's two in

[2:03:34] Voice 24: favor there's uh and trustee maude is opposed i

[2:03:38] Voice 12: move that the main uh local trust committee

[2:03:40] Voice 12: proposed bylaw number 183 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number

[2:03:47] Voice 12: one 2021 be read for a second time

[2:03:50] Voice 24: seconded uh for discussion and uh is there any further

[2:03:55] Voice 24: discussion we're now talking about the land use bylaw nothing all in favor two in favor and trustee

[2:04:02] Voice 24: maude is opposed i

[2:04:03] Voice 12: move that the main local trust committee proposed bylaw number 183 cited as main

[2:04:08] Voice 12: island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number one 2021 be read for a third time

[2:04:17] Voice 24: i'll go ahead and second it by trustee maude for discussion uh all in favor i'm sorry sorry

[2:04:25] Voice 24: all in favor two in favor trustee dodson myself and uh trustee maude as well

[2:04:30] Voice 12: at the local the

[2:04:31] Voice 12: main uh local trust committee bylaw number 182 cited as maine island housing agreement bylaw

[2:04:37] Voice 12: number 182 2022 be read for the third time second

[2:04:41] Voice 24: second uh any further discussion related to this

[2:04:44] Voice 24: particular item slightly different no all in favor there's two in favor and trustee moddy

[2:04:50] Voice 24: wish to get as opposed go ahead i

[2:04:52] Voice 12: move that the main island local trust committee proposed bylaw

[2:04:55] Voice 12: number 181 cited as main island official community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number one

[2:05:02] Voice 12: 2021 proposed bylaw number 182 cited as main island housing agreement bylaw number 182 2022

[2:05:11] Voice 12: 22 and proposed bylaw number 183 cited as main island use bylaw number 146 2008

[2:05:19] Voice 12: amendment number one 2021 be forwarded to the secretary of the islands trust

[2:05:24] Voice 12: for the executive committee approval okay

[2:05:27] Voice 24: seconded by trustee mod for discussion uh all in favor

[2:05:32] Voice 24: uh two in favor trustee mod are you opposed yes he's opposed i

[2:05:36] Voice 12: move that the main uh local trust

[2:05:38] Voice 12: committee proposed bylaw number 181 cited as main island official community plan bylaw number 144

[2:05:44] Voice 12: 2007 amendment number one 2021 be forwarded to the minister of municipal affairs for approval

[2:05:50] Voice 12: second

[2:05:52] Voice 24: for discussion any discussion related to this if not i'll call the vote all in favor two

[2:05:57] Voice 24: in favor one opposed trustee i

[2:05:59] Voice 12: move that the main uh local trust committee accept a covenant under

[2:06:02] Voice 12: section 219 of the land title act from the registered owners of lot b section 7 main island

[2:06:09] Voice 12: college and district plan 2791 and designate the chair of the local trust committee to sign

[2:06:16] Voice 12: the covenant related to marz 2020.1 main island housing society second

[2:06:24] Voice 24: okay for discussion is

[2:06:26] Voice 24: there any discussion related to that no all in favor i'm in favor

[2:06:30] Voice 24: of that you're in favor of

[2:06:31] Voice 24: that okay so all three trustees are in favor okay uh we have no further uh proposed motions

[2:06:38] Voice 24: do you have a further i have a motion okay i

[2:06:41] Voice 12: would like i move that we direct staff to write

[2:06:44] Voice 12: to the ministry of transportation and infrastructure to express our concerns

[2:06:48] Voice 12: around the water drainage issues off of mount park onto village bay road and running through

[2:06:55] Voice 12: i don't know how to say through dr mchugh's property and onto faithful drive i don't

[2:07:02] Voice 12: think you need more details than that but i think we need to now make it official that we have

[2:07:07] Voice 12: concerns okay

[2:07:09] Voice 24: so okay thanks i just want to make sure pat's got the motion and then we can talk

[2:07:14] Voice 12: directing staff to write to moti to express our concerns around the water drainage situation from

[2:07:22] Voice 12: meant over village bay road onto the northern properties through to miners bay

[2:07:28] Voice 12: i

[2:07:30] Voice 15: got

[2:07:40] Voice 9: um to address stuff to write mostly regarding water issues concerns

[2:07:48] Voice 9: from

[2:07:49] Voice 12: the drainage from

[2:07:50] Voice 9: that from okay yeah

[2:07:51] Voice 12: drainage

[2:07:52] Voice 9: from

[2:07:55] Voice 12: mount park across across village bay road into the northern properties

[2:08:02] Voice 24: what is it's uh it's lot b section seven main island isn't that it that's illegal for

[2:08:10] Voice 12: dr mchugh's it's actually all of the properties so there's a water all right

[2:08:15] Voice 12: so it's probably

[2:08:16] Voice 12: just a generic that's the properties to the north of village bay road feeding into miners bay

[2:08:30] Voice 9: and then leading

[2:08:31] Voice 12: into the into miners bank okay

[2:08:37] Voice 24: so can i just have clarity are you asking for that generically or as part of the any subdivision

[2:08:44] Voice 24: well

[2:08:44] Voice 12: i think i think this is a start i mean obviously at some point we'll get

[2:08:48] Voice 12: the referral for the subdivision and our response will be where is the water management

[2:08:52] Voice 12: plan right i mean obviously we can't endorse a lot a subdivision unless there's a water management

[2:09:01] Voice 12: plan of some sort from the ministry of transport and some of the water issues could be resolved by

[2:09:06] Voice 12: proper ditching and covering and they have done they did an incredible gone before your time on

[2:09:11] Voice 12: montrose they had to spend a lot of money and unfortunately david's girl's gone but they also

[2:09:16] Voice 12: had to do a significant rerouting of water over village bay road that was impacting the well

[2:09:23] Voice 12: on Philly's property.

[2:09:26] Voice 12: So this is giving them a heads up

[2:09:28] Voice 12: that it's the ministry transport needs

[2:09:30] Voice 12: to deal with this problem.

[2:09:31] Voice 24: Okay.

[2:09:31] Voice 24: So there's a motion and you're comfortable, you've got it.

[2:09:35] Voice 24: Is there a second?

[2:09:36] Voice 24: Is there another motion?

[2:09:36] Voice 24: Okay.

[2:09:37] Voice 9: Can I

[2:09:37] Voice 9: just run it by you one more time?

[2:09:38] Voice 24: Yeah.

[2:09:38] Voice 24: To

[2:09:38] Voice 9: direct staff to write MOTI regarding water issues,

[2:09:42] Voice 9: concerns from drainage down Mount Park across Village Bay

[2:09:47] Voice 9: Road onto properties on north side of Village Bay Road

[2:09:51] Voice 9: and leading into minor space yes okay that's

[2:09:54] Voice 24: been moved in second is there any other discussion

[2:09:56] Voice 24: okay all in favor that passes you now it's

[2:09:59] Voice 12: just as part of the

[2:10:00] Voice 12: part of what you know about that

[2:10:01] Voice 12: whole drainage area not even just what we've been dealing all the way through to really to

[2:10:08] Voice 12: village bay road over to where the mall is there's a huge amount of water issues that they need to

[2:10:14] Voice 12: be responsible okay

[2:10:16] Voice 24: good idea put that on your project list for the next year

[2:10:19] Voice 15: um

[2:10:21] Voice 24: anything else

[2:10:24] Voice 24: arising out of the staff report do you need any further direction from us planner chat

[2:10:28] Voice 24: okay

[2:10:29] Voice 14: do

[2:10:32] Voice 24: either of the trustees have anything further they wish to say related to this issue

[2:10:36] Voice 24: okay then they will then that issue is complete uh so the next idea the next item on the agenda is

[2:10:43] Voice 24: is the adoption of the uh proposed option the flexible housing project and bylaws 184 and 189

[2:10:51] Voice 24: uh flounder chadwick you wish to discuss address that

[2:10:55] Voice 15: page 49

[2:10:57] Voice 24: and 56 at the top of the agenda

[2:11:01] Voice 14: Yeah, I just wanted to ask you a couple of things I wanted to speak to.

[2:11:06] Voice 14: So these bylaws, they support the flexible housing, which is supposed to allow an additional unit

[2:11:16] Voice 14: for one or more units in the five-year plot, but then there are also totals for all buildings.

[2:11:24] Voice 14: dwellings. So it has gone through and been approved by the

[2:11:29] Voice 14: Ministry. So now forward to adoption by the trustees. I

[2:11:36] Voice 14: wanted to just identify that there is another step to

[2:11:42] Voice 14: question to the to the trustees related to whether there is

[2:11:49] Voice 14: interesting doing other stuff to let the community know what it

[2:11:52] Voice 14: means um and you know there are a number of options we have sort of looking at budget we

[2:12:01] Voice 14: may not have budget the question we the possibility of a mail out to all properties is

[2:12:07] Voice 14: i'll have to look at the budget we may not have the budget to do that um but there is the

[2:12:11] Voice 14: opportunity for example um to have a table at the christmas market or an open house or

[2:12:17] Voice 14: or have, you know, a little, a page explainer

[2:12:24] Voice 14: that we posted and that sort of thing.

[2:12:26] Voice 14: So I was just going to sort of throw that out to you

[2:12:28] Voice 14: to see what kind of next steps you'd be interested in.

[2:12:33] Voice 21: Well, we've got hopefully early in January

[2:12:36] Voice 21: sort of a meeting of all the elected officials

[2:12:40] Voice 21: and that might be the carrot to draw people into it

[2:12:43] Voice 21: to say we want to talk, we want to explain what we don't.

[2:12:48] Voice 12: So we've gone ahead and planned on with our new CID director to have what I call community

[2:12:53] Voice 12: chat.

[2:12:54] Voice 12: Right.

[2:12:54] Voice 12: But it is a Sunday.

[2:12:55] Voice 12: But if

[2:12:56] Voice 12: we had a information sheet available for that, and then January 23, I have a tentative

[2:13:04] Voice 12: date.

[2:13:05] Voice 12: I'll get it.

[2:13:06] Voice 12: I'll get it.

[2:13:07] Voice 12: He would be sharing that that table at that time.

[2:13:11] Voice 12: um and then i think closer into the spring assuming covet dies down again that we could

[2:13:18] Voice 12: like within our what we used to do is actually have quite a few like team coffee and um sessions

[2:13:25] Voice 12: within our trust meeting so i think we also should try and do that more in towards april

[2:13:30] Voice 12: when there's more people now a more informal session if we have a short meeting we can kind

[2:13:37] Voice 12: of plan a two o'clock open house so open house and we put that information into it and i think

[2:13:44] Voice 12: there's strong interest of course in expanding the area

[2:13:46] Voice 15: so

[2:13:48] Voice 12: um yeah that sounds good that works but at

[2:13:51] Voice 12: this point and and anything you can put on the facebook facebook page okay i'm not everyone is

[2:13:56] Voice 12: honored by any means um but a lot of people are okay

[2:14:03] Voice 14: um and um i'll also add that um

[2:14:08] Voice 14: there will be the opportunity to expand the discussion around affordable housing.

[2:14:17] Voice 14: So, and yeah, I mean, I'll just say to the community, I really, there's a lot, there's obviously a lot of interesting people are speaking from a number of perspectives, so I hope that we'll be able to get a lot of input on where that other project goes.

[2:14:32] Voice 12: Other opportunities.

[2:14:33] Voice 12: Yeah. Okay. So that's what you're talking about, especially if you have property.

[2:14:42] Voice 15: So that

[2:14:42] Voice 12: will be in January. Other closing opportunities that are

[2:14:48] Voice 12: extending.

[2:14:53] Voice 14: So what I've got is maybe something for Facebook page for me. Yeah.

[2:15:00] Voice 12: Yes, I would say community chat. Yeah, yeah, that's of course, if you can come in. So we

[2:15:08] Voice 12: can even do another one during the trust meeting but because see lucy already some of the housing

[2:15:15] Voice 12: okay

[2:15:22] Voice 24: are we there yeah

[2:15:24] Voice 12: are we ready okay

[2:15:25] Voice 24: okay we have a couple of motions okay

[2:15:28] Voice 12: so i'll move

[2:15:29] Voice 12: that to me now local trust committee bylaw number 189 cited as main official community plan bylaw

[2:15:35] Voice 12: number 144 2007 amendment number one november amendment number one 2022 be adopted executive

[2:15:43] Voice 22: okay any discussion favor that passes unanimously move

[2:15:48] Voice 12: that the main local trust committee bylaw

[2:15:50] Voice 12: number five number 184 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number two

[2:15:59] Voice 12: 2021 be adopted second

[2:16:01] Voice 24: thank you can i just say congratulations i mean this was a lot of work over

[2:16:07] Voice 24: the last three years and i know it was one of the projects we talked about it started out as the

[2:16:11] Voice 24: tiny home project and ended up with the fleck house and it's i and it's talked about around

[2:16:16] Voice 24: the trust as a as perhaps a model that other or other local trustees can look at so calling the

[2:16:22] Voice 24: vote all in favor and

[2:16:24] Voice 12: i want to say thank you tinder is suffer i'm still going to get my tiny

[2:16:28] Voice 12: meals in there eventually but just for taking this concept of shrinking the footprint on the land and

[2:16:34] Voice 12: yet allowing more dwellings and already there's people certainly up this road here who are already

[2:16:40] Voice 12: thinking of other options for the for providing housing in this area so it's been it's wonderful

[2:16:46] Voice 12: what we've bought and we can build on it so easily now i think people it's a way within our community

[2:16:52] Voice 12: to have extra housing without us really noticing it because it will be here there and everywhere

[2:16:58] Voice 12: thank you lots of good really good housing stuff happening

[2:17:04] Voice 24: okay um thanks very much then there's

[2:17:07] Voice 24: nothing further on that the next thing is the the fees bylaw has been approved by the executive

[2:17:12] Voice 24: committee there's a motion on page

[2:17:15] Voice 21: 57. i will move that the mainland local trust committee

[2:17:18] Voice 21: bylaw number 185 said it is made on local trust committee fees by 2021 be adopted second any

[2:17:25] Voice 24: further discussion okay all in favor that passes unanimously and the next thing on the agenda is

[2:17:32] Voice 24: is the uh uh proposed you i think you want to make it a standing resolution uh i just want to

[2:17:40] Voice 24: remind you that if it's if this involves bylaw enforcement about a specific property uh that

[2:17:47] Voice 24: needs to go in camera but if it's more generic and the discussion is more generic please go ahead we

[2:17:52] Voice 24: can do that out of camp yeah

[2:17:54] Voice 21: i was just more generic of what this relates to is outhouses

[2:17:58] Voice 21: is where we have some bylaw enforcement issues now where bylaw enforcement isn't

[2:18:06] Voice 21: saying that if you have an outhouse that you're restoring toxic and hazardous waste

[2:18:11] Voice 21: and given that we have a number of outhouses on main island i kind of would like to stop this

[2:18:18] Voice 21: in its steps and it would suggest that we add to the standing resolution that we do not do

[2:18:25] Voice 21: enforcement against progress and

[2:18:27] Voice 12: can i amend that motion that at this time we do not take what was

[2:18:32] Voice 12: that word again do not take action against outhouses until such time as bylaw manager

[2:18:38] Voice 12: or our bylaw office has given us um until such time as it be as has offered other options or

[2:18:47] Voice 12: some sort of language i mean obviously we have always assumed that we people obviously always

[2:18:53] Voice 12: had other houses now we're told this is somehow toxic so

[2:18:56] Voice 24: why don't you invite him to your future

[2:18:58] Voice 12: meeting okay i mean the best thing is to bring

[2:19:01] Voice 24: bring him to speak to you okay

[2:19:03] Voice 12: or

[2:19:04] Voice 24: out of camera

[2:19:05] Voice 24: okay um so

[2:19:07] Voice 12: we'll just stick with the basic so

[2:19:08] Voice 24: what i'm going to suggest is the motion could read that

[2:19:11] Voice 24: that something along the lines of that enforcement on outhouses um uh be suspended

[2:19:19] Voice 24: and that the bylaw enforcement manager be invited to attend a future LTC meeting to discuss something like that.

[2:19:32] Voice 24: Thank you.

[2:19:34] Voice 12: I'll second that.

[2:19:35] Voice 24: Okay.

[2:19:36] Voice 24: Very good.

[2:19:38] Voice 24: Okay, so call the vote. If there's no further discussion, call the vote.

[2:19:44] Voice 24: Sure, why not. I'll follow you guys.

[2:19:47] Voice 24: uh so that passes uh the next item on the agenda is the uh the meeting schedule proposed do you

[2:19:56] Voice 24: wish to set that up for now i suggest if you could uh planner chadwick asked me and i said

[2:20:01] Voice 24: there's no reason you can't because there's two of you and i know that i fit when i became your

[2:20:07] Voice 24: chair i fit my schedule to be yours so uh you you could you could always change it if you get a

[2:20:13] Voice 24: chair yeah yeah well

[2:20:15] Voice 12: i i i like the schedule i have a job and it doesn't have any flexibility so

[2:20:21] Voice 12: it suits me i'm and we can change this later but i'm wondering if we should

[2:20:26] Voice 12: at least have our start more like 115 or 130 because of fairy schedules and having to set

[2:20:32] Voice 12: up the equipment so you know we have had times where it's been a bit of a rush to be ready for

[2:20:38] Voice 12: one o'clock and especially when in the summer when it varies so i would switch to 1 30.

[2:20:44] Voice 12: but we don't know where our chair is no

[2:20:47] Voice 24: you don't so

[2:20:48] Voice 12: we can try to adjust that

[2:20:50] Voice 12: things are on okay okay just keep that in mind because it has been it would be nice to have a

[2:20:56] Voice 12: little bit more time before we go to the chairman but certainly we have had sometimes it's a bit of

[2:21:03] Voice 12: a rush

[2:21:03] Voice 24: so there's a motion at the bottom of page 64. you have to change the word galliano to maine

[2:21:12] Voice 24: well the first time it says maine and then it says galliano

[2:21:15] Voice 21: yeah it's not old so so i moved

[2:21:18] Voice 21: to the main island local trust committee approved the proposed 2023 regular meeting schedule as

[2:21:22] Voice 21: presented in appendix one to establish a meeting schedule as required by

[2:21:25] Voice 21: main island meeting procedures by law is it 181 that's

[2:21:31] Voice 24: a good question okay

[2:21:34] Voice 21: it actually says here

[2:21:35] Voice 21: 188 188 yeah okay so how do you got that yeah

[2:21:40] Voice 15: yeah it's right here

[2:21:41] Voice 21: okay but it's 188.

[2:21:43] Voice 21: instead of 180 and

[2:21:44] Voice 24: it should say main okay so that's been moved and seconded all favor that

[2:21:49] Voice 24: passes unanimously that's the end of our agenda uh

[2:21:53] Voice 15: is there anything else from either of the trustees

[2:21:56] Voice 24: well can i just say thank you very much it's been my pleasure to be uh spend the last four years

[2:22:02] Voice 24: with you guys in and out of cobit um feels like a bit of a relationship in and

[2:22:08] Voice 24: out of uh anyway

[2:22:10] Voice 24: anyway nice to see you thank you very much for everything and uh i wish you all the best in the

[2:22:15] Voice 24: next term and i'll come visit so okay

[2:22:18] Voice 23: thanks very

[2:22:20] Voice 24: much it's always been a pleasure to work with

[2:22:21] Voice 24: these two and great to be here so with that we're going

[2:22:24] Voice 15: to adjourn the meeting

[2:22:25] Voice 24: and call it a day so

[2:22:28] Voice 24: So take care.