Islands Trust Conservancy Board regular meeting, December 13, 2022

[0:13:13] Voice 8: by law enforcement is this resolution

[0:13:17] Voice 5: something that we really need really need to be spending

[0:13:23] Voice 5: time and money on at this point that's I guess my only comment there okay and if you want to think

[0:13:32] Voice 5: more about that I think we're going to be having a conversation on projects later because I think

[0:13:38] Voice 5: the whole concept of short-term vacation rentals and housing and all that needs

[0:13:42] Voice 5: more in-depth conversation yeah yes and and if there's going to be any

[0:13:53] Voice 5: um um yeah well that would make more sense that we have the conversation and then if we're going

[0:14:00] Voice 5: to make any changes to any of the policies we have that discussion what portion of the general well

[0:14:06] Voice 5: we

[0:14:07] Voice 4: would normally i mean how we do standing resolutions especially once it's linked to bylaw

[0:14:12] Voice 4: typically try not to um

[0:14:14] Voice 5: what we'd do is we would ask staff to say well we've got some

[0:14:20] Voice 5: questions or concerns about this standing resolution identify to staff sort of what

[0:14:25] Voice 5: what our concerns were and we asked by the bylaw staff because they're the ones that have to

[0:14:31] Voice 5: enforce this one so we

[0:14:33] Voice 5: basically another question would

[0:14:34] Voice 5: be uh you know the first one

[0:14:38] Voice 7: being how many

[0:14:38] Voice 7: tickets have

[0:14:39] Voice 5: been issued in the past year and um how many are to the same order another question

[0:14:45] Voice 5: i would have um okay well why don't we uh why don't you like note down your questions especially

[0:14:53] Voice 5: because even maybe you'll come up with more to go along and then we can uh we can work through that

[0:15:00] Voice 5: when we get to that section well in camera yeah

[0:15:10] Voice 6: section 10 there we go

[0:15:11] Voice 5: particulars yes okay

[0:15:13] Voice 5: okay great that's great okay so then we're on 7.3 at page 26. oh

[0:15:25] Voice 4: i'm sorry yes

[0:15:26] Voice 5: i just noticed that

[0:15:28] Voice 4: the the report reporting format has changed for

[0:15:33] Voice 5: the work for the

[0:15:34] Voice 4: work for the project yes but

[0:15:35] Voice 4: i i know we've dubbed it future projects and the other one active projects i still think

[0:15:41] Voice 4: future projects is the wrong name because the projects list whatever name you want to give it

[0:15:48] Voice 4: it's it's essentially a parking lot it captures conversations you know we're talking about

[0:15:54] Voice 4: something and we trip upon something that we're curious about that was

[0:15:59] Voice 5: missing from our bylaws

[0:16:00] Voice 5: so it

[0:16:02] Voice 4: doesn't imply that that's going to happen it gets parked there until the opportunities become

[0:16:09] Voice 4: come you know that we get to evaluate it

[0:16:11] Voice 5: so i still think even calling it future projects list

[0:16:14] Voice 5: sort of gives the wrong indication to the public as well that these are things that we're going to

[0:16:19] Voice 5: do because

[0:16:20] Voice 4: we may never do them uh they may be totally wrong because they came off the you know

[0:16:25] Voice 4: they were captured in the conversation moment um so i still think we need to work on what that

[0:16:31] Voice 4: project that list is called because future projects implies it's going to happen and it

[0:16:38] Voice 4: it gets counted and reported sometimes as what we have hundreds of projects on the list it's

[0:16:42] Voice 4: they're ideas that are just being captured so that you know some of them are three turns old

[0:16:48] Voice 4: that we're still tracking something george and peter said 10

[0:16:53] Voice 5: years ago um so i'm just curious

[0:16:57] Voice 5: what we can do maybe that's a regional planning committee issue as far as the formatting and what

[0:17:03] Voice 5: we're calling it yeah staff please comment on that yeah um i think we have put this list again

[0:17:10] Voice 5: uh it's kind of funny we have these standard format of providing these big lists where you're

[0:17:15] Voice 5: getting the agenda provided this this report later on part nine of the agenda where we have put this

[0:17:21] Voice 5: before you with that um ltc community we'll look at these lists and ask are these really future

[0:17:27] Voice 5: future projects are some of those things that are still a priority.

[0:17:33] Voice 5: I think we're

[0:17:36] Voice 15: trying to capture what LPC has indicated as priority in the past, and when

[0:17:42] Voice 15: it comes to adding to the

[0:17:44] Voice 5: workload or adding to that list, the desire to prioritize new

[0:17:51] Voice 5: proposals or new issues over um the projects on this list and the forward so this list does belong

[0:18:02] Voice 5: to ltc and you are the new lpc so you're welcome to remove things from that list you may want to

[0:18:09] Voice 5: do that by resolution and that's where we'll talk about that in part nine and probably uh you know

[0:18:14] Voice 5: is about the staff recommendation more substantively

[0:18:19] Voice 5: about what what this what this lpc would like to achieve this term um and what kind of future it

[0:18:27] Voice 5: would like to set going forward so is that in 9.1.6 under the 7c project i believe it's 9.1.7

[0:18:39] Voice 5: is the part of the six is the plan yeah projects will be going to the application okay yeah all

[0:18:48] Voice 5: right so uh think of changing the name we could discuss that for sure a potential project right

[0:18:58] Voice 5: now both reports have the same

[0:18:59] Voice 4: name called work program application right right

[0:19:03] Voice 4: something's

[0:19:04] Voice 4: something's funny

[0:19:04] Voice 5: there's a uh mr chair there isn't an issue with just with the some changes

[0:19:09] Voice 5: with them with the program that we use to generate this report we weren't able to generate this

[0:19:13] Voice 5: report for some reason um so it says that program or application uh however this is the um the

[0:19:20] Voice 5: future project active well there's the future projects and then it looks like this format's

[0:19:25] Voice 5: the same for the active project and the future project this is seeing a snippet of a screenshot

[0:19:30] Voice 5: of our uh um our intranet uh list management service that generate these reports but right

[0:19:37] Voice 5: other buttons on the top i do have it

[0:19:41] Voice 5: all okay i

[0:19:43] Voice 4: do have a legitimate question about one of the

[0:19:45] Voice 4: projects

[0:19:45] Voice 12: okay and is this in under 7.3 yes

[0:19:48] Voice 4: that's where we are under the coastal douglasburg project

[0:19:53] Voice 4: i know that so the crd

[0:19:55] Voice 5: was is undertaking a uh wildfire management plan for

[0:20:07] Voice 4: the island and i

[0:20:09] Voice 4: I know that Planner Yeomans was in consultation

[0:20:14] Voice 4: with the consultants that were doing the work

[0:20:16] Voice 4: to obtain data.

[0:20:19] Voice 4: They were collecting some data that they would have

[0:20:25] Voice 4: that would be beneficial to any future work we were to do

[0:20:28] Voice 4: on wildfire hazard development areas.

[0:20:32] Voice 4: But I don't see any mention of that.

[0:20:34] Voice 4: I see further in a report about it happening in 2023,

[0:20:37] Voice 4: but I thought this was active.

[0:20:40] Voice 4: you know it was going to be working with the consultant that was currently doing the work

[0:20:43] Voice 4: to obtain this data and i and i don't know what happened to that is that something that

[0:20:49] Voice 4: didn't happen or it is uh

[0:20:52] Voice 5: the chair uh we are currently just finalizing uh the contract with crd

[0:20:57] Voice 5: uh because because the contract um from uh the name escapes me right now

[0:21:04] Voice 5: the contract diamond diamond diamond head you're right uh so diamond head um hat does is able to

[0:21:12] Voice 5: prepare that data for us in alignment with the crd's data gathering process however we basically

[0:21:18] Voice 5: the way it's arranged is we've contracted the crd who is subbing to diamond head uh in order

[0:21:23] Voice 5: to facilitate that process that's

[0:21:26] Voice 4: all i want to know if it would

[0:21:27] Voice 5: be it'll be delivered um

[0:21:29] Voice 5: um okay thank you okay was there anything else trustees on 7.3 7.3 we still stand resolution

[0:21:42] Voice 5: no that's the uh 7.3 is the active projects report starting on page 26. okay sustainability

[0:22:08] Voice 5: planning housing action okay

[0:22:16] Voice 5: so if there's nothing further on 7.3 we can go to 7.4 which is

[0:22:21] Voice 5: application status report starting on page 28 uh the comments from staff on this section um i

[0:22:34] Voice 5: suppose the only thing that i would comment and it's something that i commented in the october

[0:22:38] Voice 5: meeting is uh lpc is aware we've been short staffed for some time um as a result we've loaded

[0:22:44] Voice 5: up one of our island planners specifically with a lot of development applications uh who's working

[0:22:50] Voice 5: through them uh as possible however um we expect to see a lot and you can expect a lot in the new

[0:22:56] Voice 5: year um going into the january february to see a lot of those applications uh to be higher

[0:23:06] Voice 5: questions for staff on 7.4 um

[0:23:12] Voice 6: first is

[0:23:32] Voice 8: the clamshell violet is that in here

[0:23:36] Voice 12: is that specifically later on yeah okay so we could move to 7.5 the expense report on page 39

[0:23:44] Voice 12: then well

[0:23:52] Voice 5: we're going to be

[0:23:52] Voice 6: your first meeting

[0:23:53] Voice 5: we're going to be talking about that later right

[0:23:55] Voice 5: yeah yeah i know what i want to be respectful of like you know if you have questions i wouldn't

[0:23:59] Voice 5: have a chance to so we are going to

[0:24:03] Voice 5: look at clamshell uh so anything on the expense report

[0:24:08] Voice 5: i guess there's three of them here and we didn't generate any of those so uh then 7.6 is the

[0:24:17] Voice 5: islands trust conservancy board report david october at this point if we have comments about

[0:24:24] Voice 5: the

[0:24:24] Voice 7: um expense

[0:24:26] Voice 5: report that's where we want to sure

[0:24:28] Voice 15: he's

[0:24:29] Voice 5: stating that or are we going to talk

[0:24:30] Voice 5: about this again no this is your chance no this is the chance yeah as

[0:24:41] Voice 8: far as um swipa goes is this

[0:24:49] Voice 5: something that we want to see but this wouldn't be this would be just this wouldn't be the time

[0:24:55] Voice 5: to talk about swipa there is a question there's a section in under section 9.1.2 we'll actually

[0:25:02] Voice 5: talk directly about swipa how great yeah okay all right so we've got the 7.6.1 the report debate

[0:25:13] Voice 5: date in november 20 22 from the island trust conservancy board any comments on that at all

[0:25:23] Voice 5: not that we can move to uh nobody on

[0:25:27] Voice 5: this local trust committee is represented on the

[0:25:29] Voice 5: conservancy board on the conservancy board no none of us uh so that would be questionable

[0:25:37] Voice 5: from the ltc then 7.7 there is assaults near island watershed protection alliance

[0:25:43] Voice 5: coordinator's report which there is none and then we move into section eight and there are no local

[0:25:52] Voice 5: trust committee project reports uh so that brings us into section nine and actually yeah i mean

[0:26:07] Voice 5: through the project i know uh manager staff would put toward applications there were there was work

[0:26:17] Voice 4: directed on like the accessory dwelling unit bylaw and so forth is there time expectation there

[0:26:24] Voice 4: that when some

[0:26:25] Voice 4: of that information

[0:26:26] Voice 8: may come back to the local trust committee

[0:26:28] Voice 8: i

[0:26:33] Voice 9: said

[0:26:35] Voice 8: i

[0:26:37] Voice 4: i appreciate you saying that you've dedicated staff toward working on applications

[0:26:41] Voice 4: um but i know there was some in september what the trust committee had asked for more

[0:26:48] Voice 4: work to be done on the bylaw 530 and accessory dwelling units i was wondering

[0:26:52] Voice 5: if there's an

[0:26:52] Voice 5: estimated time that some of that information would be coming back to us i think it's a bit

[0:27:00] Voice 5: dependent on on the strategic priorities of this um may have some comment on that

[0:27:12] Voice 13: my name is lisa garbo the island planner um

[0:27:16] Voice 5: so ultimately that's what uh um

[0:27:20] Voice 5: This is correct. We're waiting for direction from trustees, especially the new trustees. Are

[0:27:27] Voice 5: we going down

[0:27:28] Voice 13: the same path to continue? But for Trustee

[0:27:33] Voice 5: Patrick, recall there were five resolutions made on file on 530.

[0:27:38] Voice 5: staff have done most of it

[0:27:41] Voice 5: and

[0:27:41] Voice 13: continue to work in the background

[0:27:44] Voice 13: despite the fact that I actually

[0:27:47] Voice 13: have been told to do some of the current

[0:27:48] Voice 13: planning work

[0:27:49] Voice 13: and the part that is

[0:27:52] Voice 13: slowly fixed now is where we

[0:27:54] Voice 13: try to get some connections with

[0:27:56] Voice 13: First Nations. That is not easy

[0:27:58] Voice 5: but we're still working on it

[0:28:01] Voice 5: and

[0:28:03] Voice 5: we have done

[0:28:04] Voice 5: one of the resolutions if I recall

[0:28:06] Voice 5: call is to look at the public comment which i have summarized it and we're exploring options

[0:28:13] Voice 5: so

[0:28:13] Voice 13: we're still working on it and it depends on the direction of the trustee if that is the top

[0:28:19] Voice 5: priority we definitely will continue to give you the update and put that as also the priority

[0:28:31] Voice 8: yes thank you

[0:28:33] Voice 5: okay nothing further on section eight we can move to uh

[0:28:41] Voice 12: section 9.1 which is the

[0:28:45] Voice 12: local trust committee regular business meeting schedule at page 46 actually

[0:28:58] Voice 8: the revised schedule

[0:28:59] Voice 8: at page 48 is

[0:29:01] Voice 5: the relevant one and any comments on there i'll have a comment which is i really

[0:29:08] Voice 5: appreciate uh staff of salt spring and uh and the southern north island groups uh there between

[0:29:17] Voice 5: travel to try to coordinate my meetings and travel between galliano and salt spring in a way that we

[0:29:23] Voice 5: can find efficiencies both financially and in my travel time so really appreciate all your work on

[0:29:30] Voice 5: not thank you trustee's trustee patrick

[0:29:35] Voice 8: well

[0:29:36] Voice 5: i have a few questions um

[0:29:37] Voice 8: i i know

[0:29:41] Voice 5: one in the revised uh february 9th it's not like i

[0:29:44] Voice 4: said i said stuff when i cannot have

[0:29:47] Voice 4: meetings february 9th is one of them um so i talked

[0:29:53] Voice 5: about and that's all i'm going to say

[0:30:01] Voice 4: But I also want to talk about, and I kind of like what North Pender did, is, well, I don't want to call them necessarily community information meetings, although that might be the language we have to use, is I think it would be good to build in either like three or four,

[0:30:23] Voice 4: Or maybe three, you know, public evenings, emphasize evenings, where,

[0:30:29] Voice 5: you know, there are opportunities to have sort of like a public town hall and update

[0:30:37] Voice 4: on what we're doing type event.

[0:30:40] Voice 4: Where it's, you know, it's not specific to a project, but it's a

[0:30:44] Voice 5: plan, public interface, hours when people can actually come to get kind of caught up on

[0:30:53] Voice 5: what we're doing.

[0:30:56] Voice 5: and it would also be opportunities to sort of schedule some of the outward

[0:30:59] Voice 5: communications around this fence too because change doesn't come quickly

[0:31:07] Voice 5: sometimes we don't report things out because there's nothing going on but i don't know if

[0:31:13] Voice 5: that's something we'd want to try to either ask that we get rescheduled

[0:31:16] Voice 4: do you think trustee

[0:31:17] Voice 4: harris about pre-planning either pre-plan some scheduled evenings where they're public facing

[0:31:24] Voice 5: well i think this thing benefit from trustee Peterson well for sure if it's a local trust

[0:31:34] Voice 5: area but what about more of an unofficial thing casual we

[0:31:42] Voice 8: can talk about we

[0:31:42] Voice 5: don't have to do

[0:31:43] Voice 5: that but that's actually no we don't have to discuss that this is more about our official

[0:31:48] Voice 5: meeting schedule yeah so you want more meetings than what we're having now well potentially so

[0:31:57] Voice 5: so an actual meeting where the public is going to be yeah like an evening event you know it's

[0:32:03] Voice 5: billed as a either community information meeting town hall type of a thing where we can sort of

[0:32:09] Voice 5: happening now kind of where are we going where we you know what's some of the directions that

[0:32:14] Voice 5: we're doing what about an actual trust council meeting in the evening

[0:32:18] Voice 5: or more working folks

[0:32:21] Voice 5: local trust meetings that's instead of actually

[0:32:25] Voice 12: adding more meetings i just like to

[0:32:27] Voice 12: check in on

[0:32:28] Voice 12: staff for this because i know there are implications

[0:32:29] Voice 5: for evening meetings for staff

[0:32:32] Voice 5: um i i don't have much comment on that at this point but i do have a comment on the purpose of

[0:32:38] Voice 5: the regular business you know like legislative obligation to provide an annual schedule

[0:32:43] Voice 5: is really well considered a regular purpose of the lpc um so at this point this this this is

[0:32:50] Voice 5: really just have a regularly scheduled meeting where

[0:32:52] Voice 5: we bring forward like applications project

[0:32:54] Voice 5: that basically we need decisions on um for the lpc to make

[0:32:58] Voice 5: decisions on um that also includes

[0:33:01] Voice 5: public hearings uh but it is a way for us to administratively manage uh those those public

[0:33:07] Voice 5: basic aspect to pursue fairness when it comes to um the engagement and all types of things

[0:33:17] Voice 5: i think that's certainly a valuable effort um if the lpc wants to pursue something like that

[0:33:24] Voice 5: um and it may be something that is just done by the literature

[0:33:27] Voice 9: uh

[0:33:28] Voice 5: if it is not reasonable for you

[0:33:37] Voice 5: um you you could do that separately from establishing this regular agenda of this

[0:33:43] Voice 5: formal meeting but we could have something a little bit less formal

[0:33:48] Voice 5: um it's still you know any time two trust groups are in the room talking about

[0:33:52] Voice 5: the business of the of the local trust council we have a notification and you give people the

[0:33:59] Voice 5: opportunity to attend publicly um but that that doesn't mean that we couldn't have a more open

[0:34:05] Voice 5: agenda so that's certainly an option we do have some kind of structure to tell the public what

[0:34:14] Voice 5: we're going to uh to speak about uh if this is probably what we're doing and um it is probably

[0:34:23] Voice 5: a challenge as well to do it even being a staff we can find ways to accommodate that

[0:34:30] Voice 5: again this may be something to consider in a strategic session overall uh you know how much of

[0:34:37] Voice 5: this uh of how much work do you want to do as a local trust committee um you know assigning

[0:34:44] Voice 5: engagement tasks to staff or undertaking dialogue tasks yourselves uh and doing the work it's

[0:34:52] Voice 5: Clearly, we need to balance out and look to achieve something that's practical and achievable.

[0:35:00] Voice 5: It could possibly look like something where we would start our meeting at, say, 3.30 in the afternoon.

[0:35:07] Voice 5: And then when it comes time for a public hearing session, when people can get up to speak, it's 6 or 6.30.

[0:35:15] Voice 5: So it's one of the biggest concerns I hear from the public is that we're concerned and we want to come to the meetings,

[0:35:20] Voice 5: say something speak up for herself but too busy working trying to pay bills feed our families so

[0:35:29] Voice 5: well i have a feeling that we could i mean i feel

[0:35:31] Voice 12: like we could certainly consider this we're

[0:35:34] Voice 12: probably not i don't know that we're ready to make any decisions

[0:35:36] Voice 5: right now of course but what

[0:35:38] Voice 12: i will comment on is that the way that i've scheduled my travel um the wednesday before

[0:35:46] Voice 12: before our regular business meetings is a day I'll I could be on Salt Spring um so as far as as

[0:35:55] Voice 12: potential days so that there's there's real potential without adding to my travel in any

[0:36:01] Voice 12: substantial way that we could have some evening

[0:36:04] Voice 5: uh meetings with that we can engage the public in and

[0:36:09] Voice 5: and that it's not going to add a lot to our workload so I think typically that would be

[0:36:14] Voice 5: uh the wednesday before our regular business meeting and so we can talk about that more

[0:36:19] Voice 5: i mean that's something we can talk about offline you know yeah we're thinking about some more so

[0:36:25] Voice 5: i appreciate that and it's a non-resident assault spring it'll be very useful for me to

[0:36:32] Voice 5: get to hear more

[0:36:33] Voice 12: from from the local people for sure

[0:36:37] Voice 12: so uh as far as these actual meeting dates laura you said the ninth is difficult for you

[0:36:44] Voice 5: right now the i thought the first schedule

[0:36:52] Voice 4: was far better um the second one by saying

[0:36:57] Voice 4: july 13th to september 14th again that's another two month break um in meetings that that would

[0:37:04] Voice 5: create um which just seems like a long time on salt spring um i know i know august everyone

[0:37:14] Voice 5: tries to avoid august but yeah but

[0:37:16] Voice 4: that that's

[0:37:18] Voice 5: august um yeah march as well

[0:37:26] Voice 9: earlier sometime

[0:37:41] Voice 5: yeah um i

[0:37:42] Voice 6: hear you august is there a reason why

[0:37:44] Voice 5: we're not done is that there's a lot of staff

[0:37:46] Voice 5: time off in august it's just more difficult to organize the the meetings that's my understanding

[0:37:52] Voice 5: any throughout the whole entire organization is this something we can nail down we don't have to

[0:38:00] Voice 7: the

[0:38:00] Voice 4: bylaw just says we have to set it once a year so do we we don't have to set this today

[0:38:05] Voice 5: is that correct we need a regular meeting

[0:38:13] Voice 5: so the the revised meeting schedule that that we're seeing is a reflection of work between the

[0:38:21] Voice 5: uh the southern gulf islands folks and right and salt spring folks um this definitely speak

[0:38:30] Voice 5: about it all i'm happy to

[0:38:34] Voice 16: make any changes it's been a confrontation it's been a conversation

[0:38:37] Voice 16: between executive committee southern office northern office as the chair is also a member

[0:38:46] Voice 16: of the northern office and the south spring office um as rpm hutton mentioned uh special

[0:38:54] Voice 16: meetings can be held at any time um at the decision of the trust council or the local

[0:39:02] Voice 16: trust committee um changing any of these dates is possible i've got the schedule up in front of me

[0:39:08] Voice 16: and i can let you know if those dates will conflict for for the chair um and any of the

[0:39:15] Voice 16: other meetings and is there any obligations are there any other alternatives

[0:39:19] Voice 5: to february 9th that

[0:39:20] Voice 5: might be suitable um yeah i'm not available from january 29th february 11th not in person

[0:39:30] Voice 5: and i mean electronically is bumpy it's yeah and and and the reality is that

[0:39:37] Voice 5: sometimes one person's schedule we're not

[0:39:40] Voice 5: live streaming as we speak right now i'm getting

[0:39:42] Voice 5: messages that live stream is not working speaking of bumps

[0:39:48] Voice 9: thank

[0:39:50] Voice 12: you for that um yeah so i mean the

[0:39:57] Voice 12: thing to know and and laura you will know this uh but but uh for for jamie there so there's

[0:40:03] Voice 12: there's your schedules there's staff and there's me which i have i realized

[0:40:09] Voice 12: That

[0:40:09] Voice 5: was your season.

[0:40:12] Voice 5: It was me.

[0:40:15] Voice 12: So we, yeah, so I mean, these dates came out

[0:40:19] Voice 12: as between my conversations with Salt Spring,

[0:40:24] Voice 12: Southern Gulf

[0:40:24] Voice 5: Islands, looking at all the other schedules,

[0:40:28] Voice 5: electronics meetings, as we know, are not ideal,

[0:40:32] Voice 5: but there may be cases where things land.

[0:40:40] Voice 5: And so as far as us changing,

[0:40:44] Voice 5: dates today that can't even that's by resolution from this this committee so we

[0:40:53] Voice 4: return back to

[0:40:54] Voice 4: february uh january 26 without a conflicting date

[0:40:58] Voice 5: i understand uh manager said something about

[0:41:03] Voice 5: applications 26 january the uh the 26th of january

[0:41:13] Voice 5: was uh in an early draft of the schedule

[0:41:16] Voice 5: as a thing that would work something that aligned with the venue um as well as you know apart from

[0:41:24] Voice 5: being outside of the uc schedule to accommodate chair peterson's schedule um it was a conjunction

[0:41:35] Voice 5: yeah yeah it's still not so very viable uh january 26th yeah so in conflict with you

[0:41:43] Voice 5: you trustee yeah of course i don't have all my schedules readily accessible in front of me

[0:41:56] Voice 5: that's actually that actually the 26th would be difficult because i have an ltc on the scheme on

[0:42:05] Voice 5: the 23rd and um what about the 13th of january that i don't know in terms of running a regular

[0:42:15] Voice 5: meeting but uh it's the the challenge with having anything before january it's really our ability to

[0:42:22] Voice 5: sort of notice the public notice so any any kind of development application likely would not be

[0:42:28] Voice 5: in those early january weeks because of our staff availability uh to actually publish public

[0:42:37] Voice 5: notification and be publishing together it's just it's not difficult to have the meeting it's just

[0:42:46] Voice 5: not because of christmas holidays is that

[0:42:48] Voice 5: going well yeah and then there's also like there's a

[0:42:51] Voice 5: statutory time well you're also saying that yeah public notice out well we've always had meetings

[0:42:57] Voice 5: once a month it's the same second tuesday of every month so was it difficult then to to get

[0:43:03] Voice 5: notice so

[0:43:03] Voice 5: it's how was that different i think once the schedule's set and everything just sort

[0:43:08] Voice 5: of flows that's yeah that's the

[0:43:09] Voice 5: problem yeah anyway

[0:43:12] Voice 4: i can't do february 9th so

[0:43:17] Voice 4: what's the earliest date in january i i the

[0:43:21] Voice 5: 26th requirement for five yeah not physically there's

[0:43:29] Voice 5: no way i can get here by 9 30. okay well we'd love

[0:43:34] Voice 5: to have a later

[0:43:35] Voice 8: in the day meeting yeah

[0:43:40] Voice 5: that's that's really you know um it might be something that you want to consider as a special

[0:43:45] Voice 5: meeting there's no reason why ltc can't schedule just like this is just your regular meeting

[0:43:50] Voice 5: meeting schedule it's just a commitment for the year there's no reason why LTC can't pass if you

[0:43:54] Voice 5: feel strongly about having a special meeting in January to bring back to you know special

[0:44:02] Voice 5: meetings are often called for a specific purpose such as you know strategic session something like

[0:44:07] Voice 5: that but it's it's really not uncommon for you know if anything is ready to go it's coming back

[0:44:12] Voice 5: on that agenda struggle actually you know planners want to you know get their their

[0:44:19] Voice 5: applications forward and get things uh moving anytime we can get a decision in lpc that's great

[0:44:25] Voice 5: we can keep on moving right so it might be just something to consider uh keeping the february 9th

[0:44:32] Voice 5: meeting um and um also having you know requesting a special meeting i will

[0:44:39] Voice 4: not be here on february

[0:44:40] Voice 4: 9th can't can't be more clear and i given those dates advanced that i was not going to be available

[0:44:46] Voice 5: So I've picked a date that I'm not here.

[0:44:53] Voice 8: That's my issue.

[0:44:54] Voice 8: The trustee's on our pursuit.

[0:44:59] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:45:07] Voice 12: I'm wondering if we want to try and hash this out at this moment,

[0:45:10] Voice 12: or we want to think and come back to this in a little bit.

[0:45:13] Voice 4: Sure.

[0:45:14] Voice 4: Maybe after I think, I think I'm not going to speak for trustee Harris,

[0:45:20] Voice 4: but I think what I'm hearing and what I've experienced is our meetings are

[0:45:24] Voice 4: not conducive to public participation at all.

[0:45:28] Voice 4: and they're really not conducive to good decision making when they go from 9 30 in the morning till

[0:45:33] Voice 4: whenever in the afternoons it's exhausting for us and i'm sure

[0:45:39] Voice 4: it's exhausting for staff to

[0:45:41] Voice 4: create agenda packages for such a lengthy meeting i know i'm open to finding better ways

[0:45:47] Voice 4: better hours

[0:45:49] Voice 5: of meeting that work for everyone not just one or two of us yeah what if we can

[0:45:56] Voice 5: talk with them with the chair as far as so i know you mentioned 9 30. you know

[0:46:04] Voice 15: too early to get so

[0:46:05] Voice 15: what is there a time that would you would prefer well in the morning it's just in terms of low

[0:46:10] Voice 12: no

[0:46:10] Voice 15: i mean that would help

[0:46:11] Voice 12: 9 30 in general is fine for me i don't mind that but on the 26th uh

[0:46:16] Voice 12: uh my 9 30 will put me maybe in then i will if i'm lucky i got there's just as far as logistically

[0:46:28] Voice 12: getting here i'm

[0:46:29] Voice 5: not i can't get here we could look at the 27th potentially why don't we look

[0:46:35] Voice 5: at the 27th

[0:46:36] Voice 12: great suggestion

[0:46:38] Voice 12: uh staff was january 27th feasible at all

[0:46:51] Voice 8: and then you know and then

[0:46:52] Voice 12: i absolutely as far as um starting stretching the workload

[0:46:58] Voice 12: starting later all of those things are options and as i said if we want to do like uh the wednesday

[0:47:06] Voice 12: before our these scheduled meetings the way i've tried to set up my travel i i can be here

[0:47:12] Voice 12: on those wednesdays so if we wanted again to maybe do

[0:47:17] Voice 4: some public facing events

[0:47:18] Voice 12: and actually

[0:47:20] Voice 12: make the the daytime meeting not as big we could consider doing you know town hall and some of the

[0:47:29] Voice 12: business uh on a wednesday evening and then get to the rest of it on the thursday uh yeah as a

[0:47:38] Voice 12: as a way to have you know evening opportunity for folks and maybe a less

[0:47:44] Voice 5: grueling day on the on the

[0:47:47] Voice 5: thursdays yeah something to think about i think the community would be happy to uh be able to

[0:47:54] Voice 5: engage

[0:47:54] Voice 12: so as far as that goes we'll find out about the 26 here but as far as that goes i think we

[0:48:01] Voice 12: could just have that we can have that conversation outside of the meeting as far as great thinking

[0:48:06] Voice 12: thinking about when and how often we'd want to do that approach just talk among

[0:48:11] Voice 5: ourselves about

[0:48:12] Voice 5: what sort of makes sense so we're kind of waiting to hear 26th 27th 27th so do we want to uh

[0:48:23] Voice 12: do we

[0:48:28] Voice 12: want to look at talk about some of these other appointments they

[0:48:30] Voice 5: were back sorry did you January

[0:48:35] Voice 5: it works then it's a friday nobody else is scheduled on friday okay

[0:48:45] Voice 5: okay yeah we can i

[0:48:46] Voice 5: don't i mean the venue is the only thing yeah

[0:48:48] Voice 9: yeah

[0:48:48] Voice 12: okay so we don't know

[0:48:49] Voice 12: about the venue yeah

[0:48:50] Voice 5: so we could

[0:48:51] Voice 4: tentatively just set the 27th and then for now okay very

[0:48:54] Voice 5: important that

[0:48:55] Voice 12: it works for our chair yeah um laura do you want to oh

[0:49:01] Voice 4: you want me to

[0:49:02] Voice 4: make

[0:49:02] Voice 12: a resolution to staff sure

[0:49:04] Voice 4: sarah is ready fingers are up there um i move that the south

[0:49:09] Voice 4: spring island local trust committee amend the uh they're both in

[0:49:16] Voice 4: here so which one is this one

[0:49:17] Voice 4: referred to um there's no date on it the i'll just say 2023

[0:49:21] Voice 8: regular meeting schedule

[0:49:24] Voice 4: presented as

[0:49:25] Voice 4: item whatever item it is in the agenda 9

[0:49:28] Voice 5: .1.1.1 there you go the

[0:49:31] Voice 4: revised one you're right

[0:49:33] Voice 4: um and change

[0:49:35] Voice 8: february 9th to 7th it's

[0:49:49] Voice 5: it really is this schedule is going to be uh we need to

[0:49:52] Voice 5: publish this by the end of the year so you know a paper publishing deadline okay

[0:49:57] Voice 12: so it's the venue

[0:49:58] Voice 12: but we don't we don't know

[0:50:00] Voice 12: for sure if the

[0:50:00] Voice 5: venue is available just maybe you'll find a bit okay

[0:50:03] Voice 12: all right so that if not okay all right so you have the motion i do and

[0:50:09] Voice 12: uh sure and then okay

[0:50:12] Voice 13: that the salt spring island local trust committee amend the revised 2023 regular meeting schedule as

[0:50:18] Voice 13: presented uh in appendix one to establish a meeting schedule as required by the salt

[0:50:23] Voice 13: spring island meeting procedures bylaw number 391 and replace february 9th 2022 2023 with january 27

[0:50:32] Voice 13: 27 2023.

[0:50:35] Voice 5: just a second i second and any further discussion on this uh call the question all in

[0:50:43] Voice 5: favor any opposed no motion carries yes well

[0:50:50] Voice 4: i'm just wondering i mean we can either leave

[0:50:53] Voice 4: this as a dialogue question but i mean i think i think we're expressing strong interest that

[0:50:57] Voice 8: this is not great

[0:51:02] Voice 5: um and

[0:51:05] Voice 4: that we would prefer something else um

[0:51:09] Voice 4: it's just how to work work that out to you know come up with a better schedule

[0:51:13] Voice 4: this

[0:51:15] Voice 5: is just repeating the same thing forever

[0:51:18] Voice 4: i think we're indicating we'd like to do something

[0:51:20] Voice 4: different what that different is we don't know so do we either just let the record show that

[0:51:26] Voice 4: we want to find a better you know schedule for these meetings figure that out um or we

[0:51:35] Voice 4: ask the staff to work with someone to do that so so i don't i don't know how to

[0:51:39] Voice 4: make sure the record shows that um

[0:51:42] Voice 5: you

[0:51:44] Voice 4: know we would like something different

[0:51:51] Voice 9: no i

[0:51:52] Voice 4: meant the hours the time the day the hours that time

[0:51:55] Voice 4: that's what i said it's it's this is we're being asked to approve something that

[0:52:02] Voice 4: so we know we'd like to fix make better change that's

[0:52:06] Voice 5: where the word is yeah the chair uh i'll

[0:52:09] Voice 5: i'll just say that i i'm new and um my understanding that i'm going to

[0:52:16] Voice 5: policy around um how late you can schedule meetings i i believe so i think it's something

[0:52:22] Voice 5: worth looking at uh and it would be better to not be discussing this in mid-december

[0:52:26] Voice 5: um i agree we have a time pressure so i appreciate ltc's willingness to adopt the schedule of

[0:52:33] Voice 5: what we've done previously, understanding the constraints of the last couple of months

[0:52:38] Voice 5: and getting to this point.

[0:52:39] Voice 5: And

[0:52:40] Voice 17: I think it's certainly

[0:52:41] Voice 5: reasonable for passing a resolution that you explore options

[0:52:49] Voice 5: for meeting later in the day or alternatives to public input opportunities in the following

[0:52:58] Voice 5: year, so 2024.

[0:53:02] Voice 5: Well, I don't know.

[0:53:04] Voice 15: that's seems to be putting it off a little bit to me um you know let's go to march here so um march

[0:53:12] Voice 15: 16th i know when's the um executive or the trust council yeah

[0:53:19] Voice 12: i don't have all that information

[0:53:20] Voice 12: in front of me so um but what what i'm hearing really loud and clear is from staff is that we

[0:53:26] Voice 12: need by by in terms of our regulations we need to publish a schedule

[0:53:32] Voice 4: i understand i

[0:53:33] Voice 12: know i'm i'm

[0:53:34] Voice 12: this is for for trustee harris we need to get a schedule out for this year and i think within

[0:53:40] Voice 12: within this schedule you know laura can't make this the night so we've just voted to change that

[0:53:47] Voice 12: but i think what may be the best approach for us to consider is to add some of those um

[0:53:53] Voice 12: wednesday evening uh opportunities and we can work with staff to figure out when those might work

[0:53:59] Voice 12: best and then let's have this conversation throughout this year so that when we get to

[0:54:05] Voice 12: next december and we're in a situation of having to publish our year in advance we've got a plan

[0:54:12] Voice 12: i i don't i mean we we have to get something out by you know and it's it's just that there's so

[0:54:21] Voice 12: many time crunches coming into a new term like and this is one of them right yeah yeah and it's it

[0:54:27] Voice 12: and i

[0:54:29] Voice 4: understand

[0:54:29] Voice 5: that but did you have any problems with the dates there i think that

[0:54:32] Voice 5: was

[0:54:33] Voice 4: yeah well that's what

[0:54:33] Voice 4: i was trying

[0:54:33] Voice 5: oh sorry that was the question there was another specific

[0:54:37] Voice 5: date that was an issue or well march again it's a bit late in the month so 11th to the 16th is uh

[0:54:47] Voice 5: not great so we're hoping to do something before the 11th in march

[0:54:52] Voice 8: but i'm trying to find out when

[0:55:00] Voice 8: the ec seven to the nine seven to the ninth so it'd be nice to meet before so but that's not it

[0:55:17] Voice 8: that's not a question

[0:55:19] Voice 12: of you not being available it's just a question of that this is the 11th

[0:55:23] Voice 7: the 11th of the 16th and you couldn't crunch it to you

[0:55:26] Voice 5: know 12 to the 15th that won't be available

[0:55:29] Voice 6: will march 2nd or so yeah and again you

[0:55:40] Voice 12: know ideally um we would have we would have had some

[0:55:45] Voice 12: communication about these dates prior to this meeting so that we're not trying to do this

[0:55:50] Voice 12: sort of

[0:55:51] Voice 5: on the fly sitting here because i have i have so many moving parts and i don't have them

[0:55:55] Voice 5: in front of me so it's impossible

[0:55:57] Voice 5: that makes it difficult for me to know um because i've also

[0:56:03] Voice 5: I also ask

[0:56:03] Voice 12: all of the Galliano meetings to align with these dates, like if I had staff work both, which doesn't mean that they're set in stone, it just means if we rejig this, I'll be rejigging that too, and that just adds complexity for...

[0:56:21] Voice 12: Well then, I

[0:56:22] Voice 15: don't understand why I can't be changed in the future here, if it's not until March, we're talking, and I understand that it's going to be printed in a paper, but I don't see why you can't...

[0:56:34] Voice 12: well cancellations do happen and rescheduling does happen what as i understand it what we

[0:56:39] Voice 12: have to do is we have to give staff something to go on today so that they can publish it

[0:56:46] Voice 12: if that's if that's if we're in the situation where we have to cancel

[0:56:49] Voice 5: or reschedule meetings

[0:56:51] Voice 5: that does happen and that's that's not going against our statutory obligations here

[0:56:56] Voice 5: correct that's true okay so we have

[0:56:59] Voice 12: to have we have to

[0:57:00] Voice 5: hand staff something today

[0:57:01] Voice 5: uh

[0:57:02] Voice 4: well i mean defensive trustee harris we were presented this first version which i had no

[0:57:09] Voice 4: problems with and then just

[0:57:10] Voice 12: a couple of days

[0:57:11] Voice 4: ago we were given a revised version that did cause

[0:57:14] Voice 5: problems okay so

[0:57:15] Voice 5: and of course

[0:57:16] Voice 12: that that revision has a lot to do with them trying

[0:57:20] Voice 5: to work with me

[0:57:20] Voice 5: i

[0:57:21] Voice 12: understand all the

[0:57:21] Voice 5: other committees and all of the stuff so that's i understand the cascade

[0:57:26] Voice 4: gate of meetings yes

[0:57:27] Voice 12: and and i think that the the thing that we definitely want to do is make sure

[0:57:33] Voice 12: that we have next you know 2024's meeting schedule in

[0:57:38] Voice 5: mind um well before the end of 2023 so that

[0:57:44] Voice 5: we've got some the more clarity we have of what we want then then

[0:57:49] Voice 12: the other work moving parts can

[0:57:50] Voice 12: work around that but

[0:57:52] Voice 4: for trustee harris are you not available on the 16th is it more that you were

[0:57:56] Voice 4: trying to align with trust counsel or

[0:57:59] Voice 8: are you available that's

[0:58:06] Voice 5: that's yeah

[0:58:49] Voice 8: why don't we just

[0:58:50] Voice 8: say we can make

[0:58:50] Voice 15: it work and then if there's any issues we can bring that up later clearly

[0:58:53] Voice 15: give them something now all

[0:58:57] Voice 5: right then do you want me to make the motion i

[0:59:01] Voice 13: haven't uh

[0:59:03] Voice 5: oh you

[0:59:04] Voice 13: already adopted to that oh

[0:59:07] Voice 4: you had us adopt it i thought we were just changing

[0:59:10] Voice 4: we adopted it would be changed oh

[0:59:15] Voice 13: yes um i had that you were amending the revised schedule

[0:59:25] Voice 13: and replace february 19th we

[0:59:30] Voice 8: didn't endorse we didn't adopt it though

[0:59:34] no

[0:59:36] Voice 4: okay so we need that second motion which is on page 46 want me to make that yes please i know

[0:59:43] Voice 4: that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approved the proposed 2023

[0:59:48] Voice 8: meeting schedule

[0:59:49] Voice 8: as amended and presented in Appendix 1 to

[0:59:57] Voice 4: establish a meeting schedule as

[1:00:00] Voice 4: required by the Salt Spring Island meeting procedures

[1:00:01] Voice 4: by law number 391.

[1:00:03] Voice 4: All

[1:00:06] Voice 5: right, it's moved and seconded.

[1:00:09] Voice 12: Any further discussion?

[1:00:11] Voice 12: All right, I'll call the question all in favor.

[1:00:15] Voice 12: I hope that carries.

[1:00:17] Voice 12: And

[1:00:17] Voice 4: then I'll make a second motion on the fly here.

[1:00:20] Voice 4: Yes.

[1:00:21] Voice 4: To respond to the suggestion that the-

[1:00:23] Voice 13: This is

[1:00:24] Voice 13: what I have written down.

[1:00:25] Voice 13: Okay, Sarah, save us.

[1:00:27] Voice 13: That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[1:00:28] Voice 13: request staff to explore options for meetings

[1:00:31] Voice 13: to be held later in the day

[1:00:32] Voice 13: and for additional opportunities too that

[1:00:38] Voice 8: sounds okay that sounds good uh i'll make that motion

[1:00:42] Voice 8: right

[1:00:44] Voice 12: and uh second generally the chair is

[1:00:50] Voice 5: the general chair will

[1:00:51] Voice 12: generally look for a second

[1:00:53] Voice 12: right um i can second the motion but i'll generally be looking to one of you to second

[1:00:58] Voice 12: yeah okay that's all right we're learning on the job here okay so that's been moving

[1:01:07] Voice 12: and seconded uh

[1:01:09] Voice 5: so the the motion here is to to explore opportunities to have later meetings um

[1:01:17] Voice 5: is that right 24 no for next year 2023 we would like to amend the schedule

[1:01:27] Voice 12: if possibly just

[1:01:29] Voice 12: explore options and then part of that could be as i mentioned i could be available for

[1:01:35] Voice 12: uh you know wednesday evenings prior to the local trust committee we could consider doing a public

[1:01:42] Voice 12: engagement town hall on the wednesday evening so explore those options yes the

[1:01:47] Voice 12: way i sort of

[1:01:47] Voice 12: see

[1:01:48] Voice 5: that republic hearings on wednesday but actually i know a lot of people will do that

[1:01:53] Voice 5: um they'll just schedule their public hearing for this evening uh yeah yeah

[1:01:58] Voice 12: so i think i mean

[1:02:00] Voice 12: i think that's worthy of looking at and so that's what we're requesting right yeah and i did call

[1:02:05] Voice 12: the question on that did we vote on that no all the

[1:02:08] Voice 12: questions on that uh all in favor okay and

[1:02:13] Voice 12: that carries thank you okay so we're on to 9.1.2 which is committee appointments for the 2022-26

[1:02:22] Voice 12: in salt spring local trust committee term and there are one two three committee appointments

[1:02:34] Voice 12: there's the ferry advisory the swipa and again his harbor walk project steering committee

[1:02:41] Voice 12: and uh sorry staff reporting on this or should i just turn this over to you to trustees to uh

[1:02:47] Voice 12: uh

[1:02:47] Voice 8: discuss

[1:02:50] Voice 5: the chair yes um i do just want to advise we did do a an in-depth look to see if

[1:02:56] Voice 5: we could find other appointments um these have been a bit ad hoc historically and i was hoping

[1:03:01] Voice 5: to have a bit of a inaugural sort of allocation of duties on this but okay we don't we don't quite

[1:03:07] Voice 5: have everything i'm told likely more appointments coming um as the need emerges so uh i just wanted

[1:03:15] Voice 5: to advise um ahead of time

[1:03:18] Voice 12: okay so these aren't though all that will come up in this term as far

[1:03:23] Voice 12: as i know okay uh yeah so what we do have these three to consider today trustee patrick i mean

[1:03:30] Voice 4: i would like to see because i i'm a researchaholic i like to go out and see what other mayors and

[1:03:36] Voice 4: consuls are doing in the area and they put together a table of all the committees and

[1:03:41] Voice 4: and all the appointments so that it's very transparent

[1:03:44] Voice 4: and open to the public who's on what.

[1:03:46] Voice 4: And I think we need to have the same thing

[1:03:48] Voice 4: because starting with trust counsel,

[1:03:50] Voice 4: we have trust counsel committees.

[1:03:54] Voice 4: I think it would be nice to be very transparent

[1:03:57] Voice 4: to the public of who's on which committee

[1:04:02] Voice 4: because that then translates to what we report through

[1:04:04] Voice 4: in our meetings too as to sharing with each other.

[1:04:08] Voice 4: and and then you know locally there's a whole there's some of these more official appointments

[1:04:16] Voice 4: i guess you could call out quote the official word um but then there's a whole bunch of other

[1:04:22] Voice 4: other um things because i know you're missing sanich inlet round table was an appointment i

[1:04:27] Voice 4: know this um that should be somewhere in the

[1:04:31] Voice 4: minutes so we're missing that one you couldn't

[1:04:35] Voice 4: find it or they

[1:04:36] Voice 9: contacted them it was not in as well mr

[1:04:47] Voice 5: chair yes i understand that um when you

[1:04:51] Voice 5: are appointed as a trustee uh to attend um that's typically you are in a sense speaking as a

[1:05:00] Voice 5: representative of the local trust committee um if you are invited to attend a meeting um you are

[1:05:06] Voice 5: just chair peterson happens to be a trust the chair of the salt spring island trust committee

[1:05:10] Voice 5: but when you when you speak that you don't speak for it so that that's an important distinction

[1:05:18] Voice 5: that these appointments have you have a you're sort of

[1:05:22] Voice 15: taking on a

[1:05:23] Voice 5: responsibility to speak for

[1:05:25] Voice 5: your colleagues and with that comes that you know also that you would report back to your colleagues

[1:05:30] Voice 5: and discuss issues of importance and in some cases that might be where you normally go to

[1:05:37] Voice 5: a meeting that that's great uh it's really great to be out there community but um typically we're

[1:05:42] Voice 5: looking for a term in the reference explicitly states that the representative trust committee

[1:05:47] Voice 5: will be uh struck through this board as a decision or whatever it is um

[1:05:56] Voice 5: okay is that clear i hope so clear i

[1:06:01] Voice 4: don't think peter grove ever reported on the ferry advisory

[1:06:04] Voice 4: we've committed for four years um i think that would be clear that if that's the appointment

[1:06:11] Voice 4: that we're making that expectation is being created yeah

[1:06:16] Voice 12: because in this case all of these

[1:06:19] Voice 12: things are appointing trustees to be the salt spring island local trustee committee representative

[1:06:26] Voice 12: to the various ones um and that's the way certainly the way i read these these three

[1:06:32] Voice 12: in front of us um so as far as these these three that we have today um can i hear from

[1:06:45] Voice 12: the local trustees on your interests in these three are you both interested is what have you

[1:06:52] Voice 12: interested in one and not the other or well

[1:06:56] Voice 4: in regard to swipa i actually want to find a way

[1:07:03] Voice 4: i believe so there should be a staff um organization

[1:07:10] Voice 5: you know that people from staff

[1:07:14] Voice 5: um i understand there may you know there's some thoughts that maybe the

[1:07:18] Voice 5: terms of references do or don't allow that i think so there needs to be some research done to

[1:07:24] Voice 5: clarify um you

[1:07:27] Voice 4: know how or why because how we can make it a staff organization that's what's

[1:07:32] Voice 4: suggested by the consultant um that we elect officials not be on swipper so we need to make

[1:07:40] Voice 4: that step um and start start somehow um so i don't know we may not be able to appoint someone

[1:07:47] Voice 4: today we may need to ask staff how to look at making so how staff could be on swipper rather

[1:07:55] Voice 4: than elected okay

[1:07:57] Voice 12: and i just have a question for staff is there uh is there a uh any particular

[1:08:04] Voice 12: urgency on these ltc

[1:08:06] Voice 5: appointments on these that needs to happen before january 26th

[1:08:11] Voice 15: well um it

[1:08:12] Voice 15: just is just as uh that appointment is a commitment when

[1:08:16] Voice 5: when we have an election and we strike into

[1:08:18] Voice 5: the committee um if we have the trust committee uh those appointments are essentially dissolved so

[1:08:23] Voice 5: So we effectively don't have having them, you know.

[1:08:29] Voice 5: So that's the only thing that maybe, you know,

[1:08:32] Voice 5: until these appointments are made,

[1:08:35] Voice 5: there's no representation.

[1:08:38] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:08:38] Voice 4: Let's park Swippa for a second

[1:08:40] Voice 4: and then

[1:08:40] Voice 5: look at the other two.

[1:08:41] Voice 5: Did

[1:08:41] Voice 4: you have an interest in which one you preferred

[1:08:44] Voice 5: to be on either the ferry advisory or the-

[1:08:49] Voice 5: Barber walk. Barber walk.

[1:08:52] Voice 6: Do you have a preference?

[1:08:54] Voice 6: All right, so we're both pretty important

[1:08:58] Voice 5: and the Harbor Walk has been dragging on for a while.

[1:09:05] Voice 5: So I'd be happy to sit

[1:09:09] Voice 7: on the Harbor Walk Committee.

[1:09:12] Voice 7: I also think the SWPA, again,

[1:09:16] Voice 7: maybe if I'd like a lot more time to

[1:09:19] Voice 5: look at that,

[1:09:22] Voice 5: so maybe we can put that off right now.

[1:09:27] Voice 5: And the ferry advisory committee,

[1:09:31] Voice 8: I'm happy to be on that one.

[1:09:34] Voice 5: Do

[1:09:34] Voice 8: you want to do the harbor walk?

[1:09:35] Voice 8: Sure.

[1:09:38] Voice 12: You have two of them.

[1:09:40] Voice 12: Would you like to nominate each other then?

[1:09:42] Voice 4: Oh, do we have to nominate or just make a motion?

[1:09:43] Voice 12: First, I mean, or make the resolution, yes.

[1:09:47] Voice 4: Sure.

[1:09:48] Voice 4: I'll do the harbor walk.

[1:09:51] Voice 4: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee appoint Trustee Harris to be the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee representative for the Capital Regional District Dandies Harbor Walk Project Steering Committee.

[1:10:02] Voice 4: Excellent.

[1:10:03] Voice 4: here

[1:10:03] Voice 12: excellent and uh you're happy today to be that person yes okay well uh in this in this case

[1:10:12] Voice 12: i will second the motion and uh all in favor great

[1:10:18] Voice 5: that passes and then the salt spring one is on

[1:10:20] Voice 5: page the very committee this one that one that's not one right there yeah right here

[1:10:28] Voice 5: 9.1.3 uh just above 9.1.3 oh yeah this one right here at that so yeah i

[1:10:38] Voice 5: laura patrick let's say i i i move that i wrote the laura patrick you got to read them

[1:10:44] Voice 5: salt spring and local trust committee appoint trustee patrick to be the salt

[1:10:49] Voice 5: spanish and local trust committee representative for the salt spanish advisory and i will second

[1:10:55] Voice 5: in that uh any further discussion uh all in favor any

[1:11:02] Voice 12: pose no okay that carries and do you want to

[1:11:05] Voice 12: talk more about swipa

[1:11:06] Voice 4: pass a motion i mean swipa exists anyway it's funded for march so it exists

[1:11:12] Voice 4: and and i think this question about whether or not staff can be on it is important because the

[1:11:18] Voice 4: consultant has recommended it well i

[1:11:21] Voice 5: you know we're already struggling with staff time and

[1:11:24] Voice 5: and you know spending i don't think it's i don't i don't see it as being appropriate to put staff on

[1:11:31] Voice 5: something else personally but my comment is definitely a lot to talk about i think with

[1:11:40] Voice 5: swipa and now that's going to it's going to go forward or not we can just hold off on

[1:11:47] Voice 5: i would move that we you know leave this for the discussion and report back and

[1:11:57] Voice 5: and um the next meeting and uh forget what date we decided on doing that january

[1:12:06] Voice 5: 27th

[1:12:08] Voice 5: january 27th

[1:12:09] Voice 5: correct correct the friday 27th of january well

[1:12:13] Voice 4: i would like to work this i mean

[1:12:15] Voice 4: i still want to know why staff staff are already working on the strategic plan so there's a

[1:12:20] Voice 4: committee

[1:12:20] Voice 5: working on strategic

[1:12:21] Voice 4: ideas moving to a model where the staff continue to we just

[1:12:27] Voice 4: endorse the strategic plan and um yes i i i would like to know why or how we can move toward having

[1:12:38] Voice 4: stuff on it so it exists it'll continue don't you know have representation on it we're

[1:12:46] Voice 5: paying for it

[1:12:46] Voice 5: um and i think that would be a mistake not to have representation on it um yeah i feel pretty

[1:12:54] Voice 5: strongly about the existence of it in the first

[1:12:57] Voice 7: place and what what are we uh what else do we need

[1:13:01] Voice 7: to do to protect fresh water on salt spring and we aren't already doing uh how much have we spent

[1:13:07] Voice 7: since 2013 uh i really feel uncomfortable

[1:13:10] Voice 5: appointing those a member of staff or a

[1:13:15] Voice 5: trustee in this position it's time okay sounds like we need to have further discussion on on

[1:13:25] Voice 5: just in a general sense um all

[1:13:28] Voice 4: right i understand but i said right right now it's fun

[1:13:31] Voice 5: correct

[1:13:32] Voice 4: regardless i think so my concern is we've got this time void now we know that we

[1:13:37] Voice 4: need well

[1:13:38] Voice 12: my

[1:13:39] Voice 4: concern

[1:13:40] Voice 12: is that we need to is that we need to give some direction to staff to either

[1:13:44] Voice 12: uh do some research on your idea laura or to appoint someone or or to leave the appointment

[1:13:51] Voice 12: vacant at this point and and you as the local trustees um is there is there something i think

[1:14:00] Voice 4: i think vacant would be you would be derelict of our responsibility we are the funder of that

[1:14:06] Voice 4: organization so i think leaving

[1:14:08] Voice 12: whether it goes past march is a jack question

[1:14:10] Voice 12: so the weather goes

[1:14:12] Voice 12: that continues in the future it's a different question than than leaving this vacant today

[1:14:16] Voice 12: day um and then of course the staff question is is something that staff would you would want a

[1:14:22] Voice 12: resolution uh

[1:14:24] Voice 5: to do that investigative room sir mr chair

[1:14:27] Voice 5: one one consideration is that we're

[1:14:29] Voice 5: responding to some terms of reference um not this is not a decision like we need to appoint

[1:14:37] Voice 5: say now so if we want that amended i don't think i i would suggest mr chair they're not

[1:14:46] Voice 5: offended is not going to result in any change the terms of reference it may be wise to appoint

[1:14:52] Voice 5: a trustee at this time um and and who wants to take that uh to figure out a way to work this

[1:15:00] Voice 5: about to make that in any change that the ltc is it's too easy to achieve okay

[1:15:06] Voice 12: that seems fairly

[1:15:07] Voice 12: clear the

[1:15:08] Voice 4: terms of reference does not say a trustee it says the local trust committee one

[1:15:13] Voice 4: one representative.

[1:15:15] Voice 4: So CRD one, you know,

[1:15:18] Voice 4: so it just goes through and lists organizations.

[1:15:21] Voice 4: We are just listed as an organization

[1:15:23] Voice 4: rather than Islands Trust

[1:15:25] Voice 4: because the delegated authority

[1:15:27] Voice 4: came to the local trust committee.

[1:15:31] Voice 5: So I don't, you know, I'm,

[1:15:36] Voice 5: I don't see that as a restriction that it says,

[1:15:41] Voice 4: it doesn't say trustee says we get one.

[1:15:44] Voice 4: okay so

[1:15:46] Voice 4: what i

[1:15:47] Voice 12: have a suggestion it's

[1:15:49] Voice 4: a mix of staff and elected at this moment and it's a funky

[1:15:53] Voice 4: committee and we have a report from a consultant saying that ain't good yeah so

[1:15:59] Voice 4: fix

[1:16:00] Voice 12: it i i have a

[1:16:01] Voice 12: suggestion which is that we we recognize that the the at this point uh this the

[1:16:09] Voice 5: swift is going to

[1:16:10] Voice 5: be in existence till march and that we are going to have a further discussion about whether

[1:16:15] Voice 5: this committee wants to stay advancing that uh and uh can i make a motion to this so well if i

[1:16:25] Voice 12: can just uh what i was going to say is that my suggestion is that we can have an interim

[1:16:30] Voice 12: appointment today so that we're not being derelict of our duty we're assigning a

[1:16:37] Voice 5: trustee to be on

[1:16:38] Voice 5: there we know it's going to be until march if we make it an interim appointment that seemed like

[1:16:47] Voice 5: that would be acceptable i'm just looking for some consensus here because i i want us to do our do

[1:16:54] Voice 12: our diligence i would need more

[1:16:55] Voice 5: time i i'm not prepared at this moment to do that

[1:16:59] Voice 12: trustee patrick

[1:17:01] Voice 12: do you have a comment on the concept of an interim appointment well

[1:17:07] Voice 4: yeah i mean there's a meeting

[1:17:09] Voice 4: coming up in january the

[1:17:10] Voice 5: next meeting is scheduled in january um so that's uh whatever i mean an

[1:17:21] Voice 5: an interim would be fine i think we need to we need to answer some of these questions

[1:17:26] Voice 5: as well as

[1:17:27] Voice 5: to who you know why staff can't

[1:17:29] Voice 5: and i'm hearing that yes are you you're the chair

[1:17:36] Voice 5: yes i am the terms of reference requires that the chair be from one of three organizations

[1:17:41] Voice 5: north salt spring the crd or islands trust so we sort of have a representative there already

[1:17:46] Voice 5: for no

[1:17:46] Voice 4: but i have to be appointed she has to be reappointed

[1:17:48] Voice 5: as chair i'm

[1:17:50] Voice 4: currently here but

[1:17:51] Voice 4: apparently i've dissolved right

[1:17:54] Voice 12: because that because our local trust committee was dissolved

[1:17:57] Voice 12: and the election has now been reconstituted she needs to be reappointed because she's not currently

[1:18:05] Voice 12: the the local trust

[1:18:07] Voice 5: committee's appointment i think

[1:18:09] Voice 5: that's arguable as well because i would

[1:18:11] Voice 5: love to have some more time honestly if you're happy to make a motion as such i care yes um

[1:18:18] Voice 5: just point out that um the next thing we need is actually january 27th so it's been it's it's

[1:18:24] Voice 5: not going to be okay so there's there's no meeting in january

[1:18:30] Voice 5: i

[1:18:30] Voice 4: may not be i think it's the 27th actually i'm not

[1:18:35] Voice 12: we did just

[1:18:36] Voice 12: move we did just move the next LTC to January 27th I

[1:18:41] Voice 5: know I'm not available

[1:18:43] Voice 5: okay well

[1:18:44] Voice 5: so we may need to reconsider that however I will just say that if there's no

[1:18:49] Voice 5: meeting prior to our next LTC yes or we're going to talk a little later about a

[1:18:58] Voice 5: uh planning session yeah in january um we may be able to discuss this at that time uh

[1:19:07] Voice 5: to contemplate this uh if you want to not not appoint a chair

[1:19:21] Voice 12: okay i just want to get some clarity laura is that swift meeting on january 27th no and i'm

[1:19:27] Voice 4: not available that is the day i'm absolutely not available on the 27th so i just realized

[1:19:31] Voice 4: all of this is i

[1:19:33] Voice 4: should have looked

[1:19:33] Voice 5: at my calendar perhaps uh well one definitely want to be

[1:19:39] Voice 5: previously uh and

[1:19:43] Voice 12: so there are are there so if the swipa meeting is the day of our the next meeting

[1:19:52] Voice 12: that we have chosen it's being changed

[1:19:54] Voice 12: it is being changed

[1:19:55] Voice 5: i just don't remember but you're not

[1:19:57] Voice 12: not

[1:19:57] Voice 5: available on the 27th which so the moving of february 6 has solved nothing

[1:20:04] Voice 5: okay this is good to note

[1:20:06] Voice 8: okay

[1:20:09] Voice 12: so should we maybe should we backtrack and can reconsider the january

[1:20:16] Voice 12: 27th

[1:20:17] Voice 5: let's do that later well

[1:20:19] Voice 12: because i'm just thinking that if if the ltc meets before swipa

[1:20:23] Voice 12: meets then we have the opportunity to just wait and appoint at the next ltc meeting

[1:20:31] Voice 5: i think super was being earlier but i don't remember the date

[1:20:34] Voice 5: you could certainly appoint a representative if you opt to have that special meeting early

[1:20:43] Voice 5: in the new year certainly appointed at that time at the end of regular meeting anyways

[1:20:48] Voice 5: should be able to pass that resolution and then in the meantime oh i'm

[1:20:55] Voice 12: happy to do that uh i know

[1:20:57] Voice 5: that's but they're going to defer making this decision find that out bring a motion

[1:21:03] Voice 8: um i see

[1:21:07] Voice 5: staff and and here looks like

[1:21:12] Voice 5: that currently we have

[1:21:14] Voice 5: us um okay i'd like to be able to see

[1:21:24] that they're seeing

[1:21:32] Voice 7: that is deeply looking at the structure of SWPA steward through those

[1:21:50] Voice 5: conversations okay

[1:22:33] Voice 8: thank you for that i

[1:22:36] Voice 4: mean i'm i'm coming around to yeah you know yes i guess if

[1:22:39] Voice 4: that's what has to happen for now

[1:22:41] Voice 5: and yes change needs to happen there's going to be tons of

[1:22:44] Voice 5: opportunity to have the best conversation about change um we have immediate need

[1:22:49] Voice 8: i'm i'm willing

[1:22:55] Voice 8: I'm not willing to do

[1:22:56] Voice 5: this for now, but I do want to answer some of these questions instead of asking them to a staff-based organization.

[1:23:02] Voice 5: Okay, so I'm assuming that you're going to put together a motion for your question about staff.

[1:23:12] Voice 5: And in the meantime, if we are you willing to be the appointee on an interim basis?

[1:23:23] Voice 5: yeah

[1:23:24] Voice 8: yes okay

[1:23:28] Voice 5: because what i'm hearing is it's important to follow through

[1:23:30] Voice 5: until we've made a decision to change uh yes just

[1:23:36] Voice 7: before trustee patrick makes that motion

[1:23:39] Voice 7: staff rather than us the staff the ongoing project say lgc has the opportunity to request

[1:24:02] Voice 7: that project with

[1:24:13] Voice 5: staff representatives from crd

[1:24:35] Voice 7: or light care that's uh

[1:24:40] Voice 7: i would

[1:24:51] Voice 5: just like to comment um i could not support um staff uh being uh you know sitting

[1:25:00] Voice 5: on the representative representative i really don't see the need um we've got some serious

[1:25:09] Voice 7: issues that we need to address here in the island north salt spring i was already monitoring water

[1:25:14] Voice 7: and what goes on there crd again they're involved with the swipa and they uh monitor or want to

[1:25:23] Voice 7: still lake weston and

[1:25:25] Voice 5: cushion i just i can't be in support of that for the record okay thank you for

[1:25:31] Voice 5: that um

[1:25:32] Voice 12: so i i assume you're working on your resolution we'll get to that in a moment but

[1:25:39] Voice 12: in the meantime i'm going to move that the salt spring island local trust committee appoint trustee

[1:25:46] Voice 12: patrick uh to be the salt spring island local trustee committee interim representative for

[1:25:52] Voice 5: the salt spring watershed protection alliance okay and any further discussion on that

[1:26:02] Voice 8: uh okay so all in favor okay

[1:26:06] Voice 5: any opposed okay so that carries so we have that bit done

[1:26:12] Voice 5: and are you wanting to advance your motion at this point trustee patrick or should we move on

[1:26:20] Voice 4: if i

[1:26:20] Voice 4: could question stop so do you think that a motion of this is is going to be useful or

[1:26:26] Voice 5: you know as i understand the strategic

[1:26:33] Voice 4: plan is going to you know one of the first actions that

[1:26:36] Voice 4: it's going to recommend be worked on is the governance structure with

[1:26:40] Voice 5: us so do we need

[1:26:42] Voice 5: then add further direction to that at this time or just wait for that um

[1:27:05] Voice 7: if the ltc wants to request something formally to that project to put in resolution now that

[1:27:13] Voice 7: could be included in the report it is a project of the ltc right so it hasn't been a collaborative

[1:27:23] Voice 7: of project with the ltc we haven't come back to you and so if you want to provide a resolution

[1:27:28] Voice 7: and

[1:27:35] Voice 8: would that question be more about the

[1:27:38] Voice 5: instead of saying is it more about the structure

[1:27:43] Voice 5: of swipa or is it about stop being on swipa um what would be most helpful

[1:27:49] Voice 5: i would

[1:27:54] Voice 7: suggest that if there's something that you i think if your resolution is relating directly

[1:28:02] Voice 7: directly to the role of the local trust committee that would be helpful um staff resourcing of

[1:28:09] Voice 7: projects is is mostly a management decision the trustees obviously can express it was a project

[1:28:25] Voice 7: of the local trust committee and staff and so there's a Island Hunter that has been working

[1:28:33] Voice 7: on so far we have a contract coordinator and um i am an ex-officio on the technical working group

[1:28:42] Voice 7: so that various staff resources i imagine that the lpc can pass a resolution without

[1:28:50] Voice 5: staff involvement say that

[1:29:07] Voice 6: those conversations haven't been the

[1:29:10] Voice 6: focus of the elected officials

[1:29:15] Voice 6: are

[1:29:22] Voice 8: you

[1:29:23] Voice 5: ready to ready to go trust committee

[1:29:33] Voice 8: request staff to explore

[1:29:41] Voice 4: options of the role

[1:29:44] Voice 5: of the local trust

[1:29:47] Voice 4: committee and

[1:29:49] Voice 8: slip up through the watershed protection strategic

[1:30:07] Voice 8: after that do you want to hear it back yes

[1:30:13] Voice 13: okay uh the salt spring and local trust committee

[1:30:16] Voice 13: requests staff to explore options for the role of the local trust committee and swithup

[1:30:22] Voice 13: through the watershed protection strategic plan project captured

[1:30:29] Voice 5: well okay uh the

[1:30:31] Voice 12: motion is made

[1:30:32] Voice 12: second I'll second motion any further discussion I

[1:30:40] Voice 4: joke all the time about a t-shirt line that I'm

[1:30:51] Voice 5: going to have a t-shirt line that says water is messy the issue is if it's a multi-jurisdictional

[1:30:58] Voice 5: nightmare it's like everybody has roles that they play in in um the policy development the

[1:31:10] Voice 5: legal the regulatory environment

[1:31:13] Voice 4: of water it is complex and stuff has actually you know been

[1:31:19] Voice 4: it was one of the earliest in the problem it doesn't need to be tweaked and improved

[1:31:23] Voice 4: yes but now so many regional districts have you know copied and improved upon what we have

[1:31:29] Voice 4: have is creating a table where the parties come together to sort out and work together

[1:31:35] Voice 4: in moving ahead in this complex world

[1:31:39] Voice 5: of water regulation, because it is

[1:31:43] Voice 4: horrendously messy.

[1:31:48] Voice 4: And that's what its intent was to do, it has had successes, and a form of it is necessary

[1:31:56] Voice 4: going

[1:31:57] Voice 5: into the future what that is and there's lots of opportunity to have conversations into

[1:32:02] Voice 5: what that is but it it's um it's a messy it's a messy messy world please do um so i don't see why

[1:32:16] Voice 5: we need to make it more messy that's all i see being accomplished let's uh let's whip up we have

[1:32:28] Voice 5: lots of water here we've got lots of protections against it against you know the misuse

[1:32:36] Voice 6: again

[1:32:43] Voice 8: what has been done since 2013 that that we need to do more what else do we need to do to protect

[1:32:57] Voice 8: the fresh

[1:32:58] Voice 5: water on salt spring that we already aren't currently doing i see it as a big time

[1:33:06] Voice 5: waster and a waste of taxpayers dollars got watershed protection already riparian developmental

[1:33:15] Voice 5: department areas i'm concerned that the direction that this is taking is going to be leading to

[1:33:25] Voice 8: further to further inhibit the development of workforce housing so desperately need

[1:33:37] Voice 8: and so

[1:33:48] Voice 12: my my take on this motion is that it's asking for staff to look at some options

[1:33:54] Voice 12: directly related to uh the role of the trustee and in fact

[1:34:01] Voice 5: all of the local trust committees here

[1:34:04] Voice 5: so

[1:34:04] Voice 12: um i will be voting in favor for it and uh i also just uh yeah actually let's do that now

[1:34:12] Voice 12: so i'll call the question on motion all those in

[1:34:15] Voice 5: favor any opposed okay so motion carries

[1:34:21] Voice 5: And I'm

[1:34:22] Voice 12: just going to point out at this point that we're at 11.05, so we're running quite late.

[1:34:31] Voice 12: We have a delegation that's going to start at 12.25

[1:34:40] Voice 5: p.m., and

[1:34:42] Voice 5: I'd like us to be respectful of those times as much as possible.

[1:34:48] Voice 5: the according the

[1:34:52] Voice 12: timeline we should be already in our closed meeting um but i think that uh well

[1:35:02] Voice 5: maybe we'll get some staff advice in terms of trying to manage the rest of our time here before

[1:35:06] Voice 5: our break uh what do you think more

[1:35:09] Voice 12: advisable should we continue with the uh the nine point uh

[1:35:14] Voice 12: one three to nine point one eight section at this point and try

[1:35:19] Voice 5: and get that done and do the closed

[1:35:20] Voice 5: meeting later should we some staff advice

[1:35:23] Voice 5: however um i would suggest uh being respectful of uh the

[1:35:31] Voice 5: time of people who come here to speak to various items uh one of those items is actually 9.145

[1:35:39] Voice 5: um okay i would not suggest uh i would suggest probably removing the clothes moving the closed

[1:35:44] Voice 5: meeting okay uh if you can get too late okay great thanks

[1:35:47] Voice 12: thanks for that okay so that being the case

[1:35:51] Voice 12: and i wasn't sure if someone was here to speak on that so that being the case let's move on to 9.13

[1:35:58] Voice 12: which is the draft bylaw number 534 development permit delegation bylaw on page 49 and there's

[1:36:07] Voice 12: a couple of recommendations here and um staff have any comments before i open it up to trustees at

[1:36:18] Voice 12: all here

[1:36:18] Voice 5: i'll look on the ground and speak to this item uh so we have to see this one come forward

[1:36:25] Voice 13: sure chair and trustees i just have a really great presentation this is an administrative

[1:36:31] Voice 13: bylaw so it can be expedited and essentially is in response to the trust council's policy

[1:36:39] Voice 13: to allow the delegation of

[1:36:42] Voice 5: development permit review

[1:36:43] Voice 5: approval to staff.

[1:36:45] Voice 5: And this

[1:36:46] Voice 3: is already within the enabling legislation

[1:36:52] Voice 3: and a lot of the communities already implemented that.

[1:36:56] Voice 13: It's just

[1:36:57] Voice 5: now it's for

[1:36:59] Voice 13: us in response

[1:37:01] Voice 13: to the recently approved policy,

[1:37:04] Voice 13: which allowed us to develop the bylaw

[1:37:06] Voice 13: for the local trust committees and staff did present it to the prior trustees and was supported

[1:37:15] Voice 13: by the trustees and they passed the resolution and in there we actually recommended to do only

[1:37:22] Voice 13: the development

[1:37:24] Voice 3: permit area three to seven and not dealing with any form and character

[1:37:33] Voice 13: development permit will still be presented before the trustees okay

[1:37:38] Voice 5: so

[1:37:39] Voice 13: that being said

[1:37:40] Voice 5: okay any any questions or for staff or comments on the draft bylaw if um

[1:37:54] Voice 8: staff don't approve a

[1:38:03] Voice 5: permit what is the applicant's um what can the applicant do

[1:38:22] Voice 5: So if it's within 30 days, the appeal can be made within that 30 days, and then, clearly it would come to the next step.

[1:38:35] Voice 5: Great.

[1:38:38] Voice 5: Trustee Patrick?

[1:38:39] Voice 4: Probably related to that is, what if an applicant doesn't concur with

[1:38:44] Voice 5: the requirements?

[1:38:47] Voice 5: requirement of the development. I mean, a report or something they're being asked to do that they disagree with. What is the recourse?

[1:38:59] Voice 5: It's essentially the same. If they don't agree, they can request to have LTC consider. So if you look at the draft bylaw, it actually identifies the principle and their perimeter. If it doesn't comply, we can bring it to LTC for consideration.

[1:39:22] Voice 4: I absolutely think it's a great idea to delegate this authority.

[1:39:28] Voice 4: My only comment is on page 50, most of these development permit areas are decades old.

[1:39:41] Voice 4: So they're still considered objective, but the bylaw says, are they considered current and up to date?

[1:39:49] Voice 4: and i know like uh development permit area six i thought that you know it's the steep slopes and

[1:39:55] Voice 4: hazardous areas like oh that's one that should be still current because the slopes and hazardous

[1:40:00] Voice 4: areas haven't changed a whole lot but the mapping was never done on lidar it was done on somebody

[1:40:07] Voice 4: driving around looking for steep slopes and things so i i've heard that it's riddled with errors

[1:40:17] Voice 4: So, while I concur with putting this off, we also have, like

[1:40:22] Voice 5: I said, they're really old, some of these.

[1:40:29] Voice 5: Sorry, I didn't see you.

[1:40:31] Voice 5: There's

[1:40:45] Voice 7: actually some embarrassing clashes of that with the riparian area of UK7 where it's trying to address the same grief

[1:40:54] Voice 7: is putting in the field where day seven was actually locked and there's a lot of

[1:41:08] Voice 7: so that's

[1:41:37] Voice 4: where i mean it's it's

[1:41:37] Voice 8: the problem exists whether we delegate or not

[1:41:41] Voice 8: and so that's i mean we'll

[1:41:45] Voice 4: have conversations about projects and what we do going forward but

[1:41:49] Voice 4: so

[1:41:50] Voice 12: my question to the local trustees is what's what is your will at this point do either you

[1:41:57] Voice 12: want to make uh one of the recommended motions do you want to look at the alternatives down on page

[1:42:03] Voice 12: uh 52 one of which is to request further information the other one is to decline to

[1:42:11] Voice 12: read the bylaw yes

[1:42:14] Voice 5: i could just add um i just want to clarify um process of delegating we've

[1:42:21] Voice 5: we're doing so we do create a lot of capacity and this is a staff capacity builder by the way

[1:42:26] Voice 5: it allows us to uh especially uh you know it allows us to get to things like addressing

[1:42:36] Voice 5: i also want to let you know that if if the island's trust or the capital region

[1:42:52] Voice 5: district is in possession of hazard

[1:42:54] Voice 15: data it is legislatively obligated to act on that data

[1:42:57] Voice 15: um and to make requirements in fact the provincial approving officers and building inspectors

[1:43:02] Voice 15: are empowered

[1:43:04] Voice 5: with the ability to acquire information similar to that would be required

[1:43:07] Voice 5: anyways so if there are slope stability issues or uh or steep slopes uh but that does fall

[1:43:15] Voice 5: discretion of the building inspector there are other tools for that um there's a there's a lot

[1:43:22] Voice 5: of work to be done as you as you point out in our area when we were using we do need to follow the

[1:43:33] Voice 5: guidelines that we have before us right so um we're very fortunate to have good professionals

[1:43:38] Voice 5: uh in in the greater day cougar island area um that that are you know that practice uh the most

[1:43:46] Voice 5: current elements of their profession um and often uh in my observation as a planner on the island

[1:43:52] often views you know exceed uh what we're requiring uh you know

[1:43:57] Voice 5: so there's a high degree

[1:44:01] Voice 5: i just wanted to point that out i i certainly agree with this sentiment that there are things

[1:44:08] Voice 5: that are not coming today um but delegating is a way to sooner um if that's the will of

[1:44:18] Voice 5: okay thank you i think that's helpful information trustees how does it um let you address those

[1:44:25] Voice 5: issues sooner by being able to as far as you know errors and yeah that may be there regarding steep

[1:44:43] Voice 5: slopes or dp4 you still have to follow the guidelines that are before you do yeah so if

[1:44:51] Voice 5: there's if there are things that are missing in the data um you know one way that we could be

[1:44:56] Voice 5: actually state that it's not just the math in the OCP that is a DPA that if there is an observed

[1:45:06] Voice 5: steep slope situation that we can also require that to be assessed that's what we want to do

[1:45:13] Voice 5: right that quite often happens with watercourses where you know we can't we can't not have

[1:45:20] Voice 5: have riparian areas regulation measures in place.

[1:45:24] Voice 5: In fact, that is the problem, the problem.

[1:45:27] Voice 5: However, other municipalities do often address this

[1:45:31] Voice 5: by looking, you know, say watercourses, wetlands,

[1:45:34] Voice 5: things that may not all of the capture there are,

[1:45:36] Voice 5: may fall into a PPA to be assessed

[1:45:39] Voice 5: for their impact on biodiversity or .

[1:45:44] Voice 5: These are things that can be addressed if we want to,

[1:45:47] Voice 5: to, but we do need to address what the age of the DCA is and the currency that's not

[1:45:55] Voice 15: stating that in here,

[1:45:56] Voice 5: though, you're going to be not this is just saying that these things

[1:46:00] Voice 5: that are these items, these development permits that are that

[1:46:05] Voice 15: rely on a professional reliance

[1:46:06] Voice 15: model for an applicant,

[1:46:07] Voice 5: you know, hires an RP bio or a geoscientist to address what is

[1:46:13] Voice 5: in our ocp today uh that permit is complete and acceptable to both uh you know the staff issuing

[1:46:22] Voice 5: the dp and the applicant that it will certainly be issued rather than coming to i support this

[1:46:27] Voice 7: as it's written but when i hear talk of what we're going to turn make the something that may not be

[1:46:36] Voice 7: in a dpa zone we're

[1:46:37] Voice 5: going to look at it as being in a dpa zone yeah that

[1:46:40] Voice 5: seems to be that is not

[1:46:42] Voice 5: something's happening but it may be a heavier question from the ltc right it's the urgency

[1:46:48] Voice 5: of updating that or the process that because that can go the other way too there's clear cases where

[1:46:55] Voice 5: you know there's nothing wrong with it anyway yeah i'm in support of this

[1:47:02] Voice 5: i'll do the first motion i'll move that the salt spring island trust committee

[1:47:06] Voice 5: bylaw number five three four cited in the salt spring island the trust committee delegation

[1:47:10] Voice 5: Delegation bylaw number 534, 2022 be read at stage first.

[1:47:15] Voice 5: Can we do it all at one reading?

[1:47:16] Voice 8: First, second and third time.

[1:47:23] Voice 8: Do you have a second?

[1:47:24] Voice 8: Second.

[1:47:26] Voice 5: Further discussion?

[1:47:29] Voice 5: No further discussion.

[1:47:31] Voice 5: All in favor?

[1:47:33] Voice 5: Motion carries.

[1:47:35] Voice 5: No, please go ahead.

[1:47:38] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:47:38] Voice 4: I move that the South Spring Island

[1:47:39] Voice 4: Local Trust Committee bylaw number 534

[1:47:41] Voice 4: cited as South Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[1:47:44] Voice 4: delegation bylaw number 534, 2022 be forwarded

[1:47:47] Voice 4: to the secretary that it's trust for approval

[1:47:49] Voice 4: by the

[1:47:50] Voice 5: executive committee second for that second second uh all in favor that carries

[1:47:58] Voice 5: so we're on to item 9.1.4 the uh this is forwarded from policy this is page 59 of the agenda

[1:48:16] Voice 5: uh navigate there myself and so this is a briefing it's coming from trust programs committee uh

[1:48:33] Voice 5: regarding august 4th 2022 letter from the sonnet leadership council regarding the draft 2021

[1:48:42] Voice 5: islands policy statement amendments purpose to provide information so this is here for

[1:48:55] Voice 5: information any staff comment or comment on this item not seeing any okay so

[1:49:04] Voice 12: we're going to take

[1:49:04] Voice 12: that for information and that moves us on to page 68 which is item 9.145 which

[1:49:13] Voice 5: is the savage inlet

[1:49:15] Voice 5: crown lease referral there as well on page 68 and there is staff report and some recommendations so

[1:49:30] Voice 5: So staff, Mr. Chair, this is a bit of a humbling experience for everyone to see on this committee.

[1:49:44] Voice 5: This application over crown lease, typically when we receive crown leases,

[1:49:48] Voice 15: they are simply

[1:49:49] Voice 15: briefly reviewed and for compliance with our local planning policies and bylaws.

[1:49:57] Voice 15: us uh as you may know the northwest area very wide area including the sandwich inlet however

[1:50:05] Voice 15: our zoning bylaw does not

[1:50:06] Voice 5: cover that area so um the response that another boundary's policy

[1:50:16] Voice 5: it's discussed in the report um essentially states that where we have

[1:50:21] Voice 5: applications or proposals outside of our regulatory purview at the local funding office

[1:50:27] Voice 5: that we refer them to the trust committee for their consideration of the policy as it relates

[1:50:36] Voice 5: to the policy statement or to put the policy in addition to not apply it in this case as well as

[1:50:41] Voice 5: the mandate of the trust or the object of the trust so that's that's essentially it i have not

[1:50:50] Voice 5: uh i've provided some some summary of what i've seen in the island trust policy statement

[1:50:57] Voice 5: You may refer to it in its entirety in formulating your response.

[1:51:01] Voice 5: However, without any policy to respond to or even the standard of the study that's been provided,

[1:51:10] Voice 5: we're not able to provide additional staff resources.

[1:51:15] Voice 5: The other part of it, the other part about the policy indicates that we can't really invest a lot of, you know,

[1:51:24] Voice 5: resources budget towards uh activities that are somewhat remote from uh the core base of

[1:51:31] Voice 5: challenge trust offices or the trust area um so

[1:51:36] Voice 15: that's pretty much where it is i have indicated

[1:51:37] Voice 15: interest and affected uh certainly uh political trust may have other

[1:51:43] Voice 5: responses to that

[1:51:46] Voice 5: you may also wish to provide comments to uh the crown uh through the achieving sorry under the

[1:51:55] Voice 5: recommendation at

[1:51:56] Voice 15: the back of the report should be one and two or the beginning of the report

[1:51:59] Voice 15: just to provide your own advocacy comments

[1:52:04] Voice 15: trust committee wants to delve into this matter more deeply uh

[1:52:11] Voice 5: there's not really a lot that we provide at this stage with my perspective i will also add that we

[1:52:20] Voice 5: have received some correspondence uh there's no as this is a referral from crown uh there's no

[1:52:26] Voice 5: public input process for the request to follow here however we have received a fair bit of

[1:52:33] Voice 5: unsolicited correspondence that circulated the trust concept trust committee um and i'll also

[1:52:39] Voice 5: have mentioned that uh mr frank white is here today in the audience and has asked

[1:52:44] Voice 5: uh for for three to five minutes so this is at the discussion of uh of the chair to allow

[1:52:51] Voice 5: uh mr white to speak thank you um trustees uh i guess two things uh uh if there's

[1:53:08] Voice 5: are you willing to listen to mr white for three minutes and um and do we have

[1:53:19] Voice 12: an interest in uh

[1:53:24] Voice 12: a recommender a resolution besides the staff recommendation after

[1:53:29] Voice 5: here for trustees i have

[1:53:31] Voice 5: a couple of questions um questions

[1:53:33] Voice 4: perfect one is the outer island policy uh it's on

[1:53:41] Voice 4: 4.1 says

[1:53:43] Voice 4: is that you know should should we receive

[1:53:45] Voice 5: a referral we are encouraged to provide um

[1:53:53] we're encouraged to do it um and take the option

[1:53:59] Voice 5: in consideration of the response

[1:54:02] Voice 4: um i think again

[1:54:05] Voice 4: as an agenda building as we go forward it is you know this it is frustrating the way our meetings

[1:54:13] Voice 4: are currently scheduled having public input halfway through the meeting is funny um

[1:54:19] Voice 4: And I hope when we look

[1:54:20] Voice 5: at improving the way we do our meetings that we look at being able to have public input at the right time,

[1:54:26] Voice 5: it should be the beginning of our meeting so that people can have

[1:54:29] Voice 5: comments on anything that we're talking about in the meeting, not wait till we're done talking about it.

[1:54:36] Voice 5: So whether we, I've talked to my fellow trustees on whether or not they want to hear from someone in the audience now or not.

[1:54:45] Voice 5: well i'm happy to hear from the school really help shed more light on this okay is mr white here

[1:54:57] Voice 5: uh uh yes i'm actually though i was just gonna say i'm gonna start a timer for three minutes

[1:55:07] Voice 5: and if you wanna address the local trust committee on this issue thank you for allowing me to speak

[1:55:15] Voice 15: Hey, I've been spoke to Central Sandwich Council and North Sandwich Council.

[1:55:22] Voice 15: They have sent letters to the ministry regarding this proposed mining change and foreshore change.

[1:55:31] Voice 15: The First Nations on the inlet have both sent letters to

[1:55:35] Voice 5: the Ministry of Environment.

[1:55:42] Voice 5: the area has been very outspoken uh about this and it's against it what what is happening here

[1:55:51] Voice 5: um is that

[1:55:54] Voice 15: the government the ministry through the environment minister seem reluctant

[1:56:02] Voice 15: to have a public hearing on what's going on i sent some information to you and i'm going to

[1:56:09] Voice 15: to go really quick through it just

[1:56:11] Voice 5: hit some highlights what they want to do is expand

[1:56:17] Voice 5: mine by 47 percent if you expand it by 50 percent you have to have an environmental study

[1:56:25] Voice 5: they've done this twice without environmental study it improves this um we have proof from

[1:56:33] Voice 5: We have proof that they want to bring in contaminated soil from Vancouver on barges from the islands.

[1:56:45] Voice 5: We don't know what they want to do with it.

[1:56:47] Voice 5: We have their business study, which I've given you a copy of the synopsis of it.

[1:56:56] Voice 5: And I can

[1:56:57] Voice 15: give you the full plan.

[1:56:58] Voice 15: but they basically say in their plan uh

[1:57:03] Voice 5: and they don't knows question this

[1:57:07] Voice 5: load and unload barges of contaminated soil store hydrocarbons conduct barge and vessel maintenance

[1:57:15] Voice 5: now you guys are the stewards of the foreshore um and and what we're asking is a letter from you

[1:57:26] Voice 5: to say we're concerned with what they want to do and this is the other councils have written

[1:57:33] Voice 5: letters saying we want a study on if you read this you have a whole bunch of questions

[1:57:39] Voice 5: what is the contaminant how are they going to handle it how are they going to store it is it

[1:57:45] Voice 5: going to be on that slope and the water wash it into the ocean uh these are a whole bunch of

[1:57:52] Voice 5: questions that no one's allowed to ask unless you get them to stop and say let's do a study

[1:57:59] Voice 5: and find out what's going on um so that that's one issue their own what's very puzzling is

[1:58:08] Voice 17: there's been a government

[1:58:11] Voice 15: study done on san jose it is

[1:58:13] Voice 5: a unique waterway it's more like a lake

[1:58:16] Voice 5: than an ocean uh it doesn't flush and they did a study on the inlet in millions and it's like this

[1:58:25] Voice 5: thick and all i've done is put in a couple of um of their things they say um i'm

[1:58:34] Voice 15: just going to ask

[1:58:35] Voice 15: you to

[1:58:35] Voice 5: wrap up here because it's now

[1:58:37] Voice 5: exceeded the three minutes okay uh they're saying that there

[1:58:40] Voice 5: should be environmental studies done if anything's done in the mainland they're going by that

[1:58:46] Voice 5: They're ignoring it.

[1:58:47] Voice 5: And part of the problem is that we don't know why they commenced fast-tracking it.

[1:58:53] Voice 5: And the only thing we can see is that the provincial government has given them these lands,

[1:58:59] Voice 15: and they don't want to tell them they can't harm the environment.

[1:59:04] Voice 15: And if you read the studies by the professor at universities, all these people,

[1:59:10] Voice 15: they're saying they can't bring this stuff onto the soil.

[1:59:14] Voice 15: they can't do some of this stuff,

[1:59:16] Voice 15: let's sit down and

[1:59:17] Voice 15: get a study of what they can do.

[1:59:20] Voice 15: What we're asking from you, and you guys

[1:59:22] Voice 15: are more important than the

[1:59:24] Voice 5: signage councils and

[1:59:25] Voice 5: the Indians, because

[1:59:27] Voice 5: you have the mandate to say,

[1:59:29] Voice 5: hold on here. Are you going to hurt

[1:59:31] Voice 5: the environment? I can tell you we are.

[1:59:34] Voice 5: If we

[1:59:34] Voice 5: don't stop this now,

[1:59:36] Voice 5: down the line, we'll have

[1:59:38] Voice 5: a problem on the hands of

[1:59:39] Voice 5: the government. Okay, thank you.

[1:59:42] Voice 5: Okay. What I would ask, what I'd ask from

[1:59:46] Voice 15: you and what I've asked from the council is a letter from you stating that you're concerned about this and that you would like a study done.

[2:00:00] Voice 15: to see the ant get some answers for what you're asking for

[2:00:04] Voice 5: that's all i'm asking all right

[2:00:06] Voice 5: thank

[2:00:07] Voice 12: you trustees ideas on how to proceed i

[2:00:15] Voice 5: guess i do have a question i do know i did go and read the

[2:00:19] Voice 5: minutes from from the central senate and so forth i guess they were only responding to the public

[2:00:26] Voice 5: of consultation period that has opened the project which closed on the 19th of november so

[2:00:36] Voice 5: our referral was there is this referral open-ended or we still within the period of time where this

[2:00:42] Voice 5: we've requested and been granted uh an extension referral to i believe sometime next

[2:00:51] Voice 5: so yeah so this activity is already going on there is that correct you're already storing

[2:00:59] Voice 5: any hydrocarbons at the scale that it's going on yeah yeah there is there's sort of hydrocarbons

[2:01:06] Voice 5: how long

[2:01:14] Voice 8: has this place

[2:01:16] Voice 5: been in operation long time yes i i as i understand it the the uh

[2:01:30] Voice 5: the referral here is is it's about the interest of a special company to expand their use

[2:01:38] Voice 5: there's some uh the mapping there's there's an expansion uh there's

[2:01:45] Voice 15: no more for sure

[2:01:46] Voice 5: yeah there's

[2:01:47] Voice 5: a for sure for sure the aquatic forces have been in place since 1989 um but they're looking at

[2:01:53] Voice 5: expanding that for sure at least by 40

[2:01:56] Voice 5: acres and 300 feet up yes what do you think yes

[2:02:05] Voice 5: well i think i mean the more i mean my

[2:02:10] Voice 4: my concern is i from a response standpoint just to say that

[2:02:14] Voice 4: our interests are unaffected i do have i don't i don't feel that that's a correct response um

[2:02:23] Voice 4: but i also know this is an extremely complex issue um i know there's work underway to move

[2:02:31] Voice 4: our boundary out to 300 meters so that but

[2:02:33] Voice 5: that as of today it's not there yet um

[2:02:37] Voice 5: um uh you know so this is a it's a very complex on

[2:02:44] Voice 15: the grand scheme i don't seem too alarmed 40

[2:02:46] Voice 15: acres isn't really that much in my view uh 300 feet you know that's get over to the area and

[2:02:53] Voice 15: actually see

[2:02:53] Voice 7: how much they want to expand once you're standing there by foot it's really that

[2:02:58] Voice 7: that even visible by

[2:02:59] Voice 6: eye and I understand it is visible well

[2:03:12] Voice 5: it's clearly it's visible now

[2:03:13] Voice 5: but I mean it's hard that the expansion of the foreshore on this path here it's

[2:03:19] Voice 5: yeah that's I guess that's their existing shore lease boundary and they're asking to

[2:03:27] Voice 5: yeah I don't know yeah honestly I don't I don't really see the alarm here but

[2:03:35] Voice 7: maybe i'm missing something looks like they've been working here for a long time and

[2:03:39] Voice 7: it

[2:03:39] Voice 5: must there must be rules and regulations are following um it's a crown lease so so what's being

[2:03:50] Voice 15: asked of us here today just to to write a letter of concern or we we don't have something this is

[2:03:56] Voice 5: a response for referral if i may mr chair yeah please

[2:03:59] Voice 5: crown referrals are typically uses for

[2:04:05] Voice 5: for crown land 90 of the province is made up of land over a much smaller portion of the vancouver

[2:04:11] Voice 5: island area is water is also considered crown land so this is typically this is an in-house

[2:04:18] Voice 5: this is just done in office uh whether it's just a zoning concern we just say it either complies

[2:04:23] Voice 5: or it doesn't if it doesn't they apply for the rezoning um but it is really just the province

[2:04:30] Voice 5: is ability to lease its land uh typically for resource uses such as everything from you know

[2:04:36] Voice 5: skills uh to uh forestry to uh various water uses of various you know industrial commercial

[2:04:44] Voice 5: uh it's a basic recreational concern uh in this case the the fact is that staff does not have a

[2:04:51] Voice 5: biological referred to so if they've come back with discretion trust committee um the report

[2:04:57] Voice 5: does take a fairly neutral stance on this because it is um the reality is that as i mentioned

[2:05:05] Voice 5: we're limited in our ability to assess this we don't have regulatory tools to make those

[2:05:11] Voice 5: determinations and really the extent of the local trust committee's uh power here is to make an

[2:05:19] Voice 5: advocacy statement uh we're building a break pedal and just say well we need a request for time to

[2:05:28] Voice 5: study this issue um just say that this is this complicit mandate which is an option you have if

[2:05:37] Voice 5: you interpret it as such there are many options before you um but it is pretty much entirely

[2:05:46] Voice 5: what's interesting i see there's did you read this section

[2:05:50] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, i've read read a fair bit of this last night, I can't say that I have an exhaustive understand additional questions, essentially, are you planning to cut

[2:05:58] Voice 5: timber on the Crown, when you're going forward yeah

[2:06:00] Voice 9: so there's no

[2:06:01] Voice 5: it's a mighty sure it's just to clarify the up to the the local trust committee's interest extends from below the natural boundaries right so once you once you step up onto the.

[2:06:15] Voice 5: up under the brush there you're you're in the country valley that's your district and that's

[2:06:19] Voice 5: that's not our

[2:06:20] Voice 5: jurisdiction this is the water it's it's it's essentially really the only the

[2:06:24] Voice 5: only issue is the forest release that we have yeah so trustee patrick well

[2:06:30] Voice 4: i'm wondering i mean i

[2:06:32] Voice 4: i look to central sanich um council on november 14th passed the following motion they said

[2:06:42] Voice 4: therefore be it resolved with the district of central sanich right the ministry of energy and

[2:06:46] Voice 4: mines copying the minister imploring them to delay the approval process for any decisions pertaining

[2:06:52] Voice 4: to the mining activities relating to bamberton uh development site and further it uh resolved that

[2:06:58] Voice 4: further consultation be conducted throughout the sanich inlet that the potential one determined

[2:07:04] Voice 5: environmental impacts be better understood and medicated before parents are considered

[2:07:09] Voice 5: is there

[2:07:10] Voice 4: a way we could i mean really like i said saying our interests are unaffected is a stretch

[2:07:17] Voice 4: or

[2:07:18] Voice 5: that i'm uncomfortable with in this circumstance um but i'm also don't want to

[2:07:24] Voice 5: lead into this either could we just put echo echo uh you know just bring attention to this

[2:07:33] Voice 5: resolution so to speak where it is an advocacy statement

[2:07:40] Voice 5: so i'm not hearing

[2:07:52] Voice 12: any clear resolutions one thing i want to point out though

[2:07:55] Voice 12: is we are eight minutes into our scheduled

[2:07:58] Voice 5: break and um we've got we still have a lot to look at

[2:08:03] Voice 5: and we have delegations uh starting at 12 25 who have some expectation of being heard at specific

[2:08:09] Voice 5: time we only have one delegation left uh one is

[2:08:15] Voice 5: gone are both are two of them gone i only saw

[2:08:18] Voice 5: that one was gone oh okay

[2:08:23] Voice 12: okay so so we still have to so i just want to be uh and and then

[2:08:28] Voice 12: of course the other factors that staff deserve to have a great lunch if

[2:08:32] Voice 5: they would like as well

[2:08:33] Voice 5: but that

[2:08:42] Voice 12: there's still an expectation that they'll have

[2:08:45] Voice 12: so um should we have a break and have some lady and come back in uh 20 minutes is that long enough

[2:08:54] Voice 12: um

[2:08:55] Voice 4: well just uh for the benefit of the chair for our

[2:08:58] Voice 4: practice of what we normally do is if

[2:09:00] Voice 4: we do not complete our business in the morning we drop the agenda at that point and at noon

[2:09:07] Voice 4: we carry on with what starts at noon which is item 11.

[2:09:13] Voice 5: later in the day

[2:09:16] Voice 5: okay because the public facing pieces expected to start certainly okay i'm i'm

[2:09:23] Voice 5: perfectly

[2:09:23] Voice 12: happy messes everybody up

[2:09:25] Voice 12: i'm perfectly happy so so then what you're suggesting is that

[2:09:29] Voice 12: we'd come back back at noon to item 11 and continue working and then we would come back to

[2:09:36] Voice 5: item 9.1.5 of towards the end of the meeting or later

[2:09:42] Voice 9: in the day after the public flexibility

[2:09:50] Voice 5: uh well i i'm suggesting that we should perhaps have our break and then come back to it

[2:09:57] Voice 5: sure i

[2:09:58] Voice 5: don't i haven't heard a motion or anything and maybe that'll give some time for consideration

[2:10:03] Voice 5: of such thing so let's have a break then and let us come back uh at 12 o'clock so we're recess till

[2:10:14] Voice 5: 12. all right thank you everyone

[2:10:24] Voice 5: yes

[2:10:30] Voice 5: well

[2:10:32] Voice 8: thank you for that

[2:10:40] Voice 9: i was on it

[2:11:08] Voice 5: I can't shut up as you can tell me.

[2:11:09] Voice 5: It's not so good at, like, what are the options?

[2:11:14] This is the best.

[2:11:16] Voice 5: These things are not easy.

[2:11:20] Voice 5: So what decisions can we make?

[2:11:22] Voice 5: So that I've got a better life

[2:11:24] Voice 8: balance and also safe.

[2:20:06] Voice 8: Hey, Rob.

[2:20:07] Voice 8: Oh, you're muted.

[2:20:11] Voice 11: It's okay.

[2:20:12] Voice 11: Just an FYI, the channel on the website is incorrect?

[2:20:16] Voice 16: I just thought I changed it and updated it.

[2:20:19] Voice 16: yeah

[2:20:20] Voice 11: it's it's supposed to be c so that's

[2:20:23] Voice 16: what i thought i updated it to it's so

[2:20:27] Voice 16: yeah i just just chatted you asking after i made that update i yeah i

[2:20:36] Voice 1: thought he was b

[2:20:36] Voice 16: i made all the things as b and then i found out he was c and i forgot to update the

[2:20:41] Voice 16: website but i believe it's updated now so if you could refresh your page

[2:20:47] Voice 16: it'll

[2:20:47] Voice 11: just be it'll just be a caching issue i'm sure yeah

[2:20:50] Voice 5: exactly it's gonna be a drag

[2:20:53] Voice 11: we'll keep complaining on that

[2:20:59] Voice 5: it's almost like

[2:21:00] Voice 5: yeah it's

[2:21:02] Voice 11: working now rob all

[2:21:04] Voice 7: right i agree

[2:21:05] Voice 11: okay signing off

[2:34:35] Voice 8: order please

[2:34:50] Voice 12: okay so i like to call the meeting back to order and we're going to move to section 11 which is

[2:35:01] Voice 12: uh the the reporting section from trustees and the crd director

[2:35:08] Voice 12: so i'll start with the trustees trustees would

[2:35:11] Voice 5: like to report on anything

[2:35:14] Voice 5: not a lot to report trust council meeting this week it's fairly productive to uh seeing how

[2:35:27] Voice 5: some of the motions turn out i'm going to move forward to the next trust council meeting

[2:35:33] Voice 5: had a good meeting with the chamber of commerce seemed very supportive of workforce housing

[2:35:40] Voice 5: initiatives being taken that's about it

[2:35:50] Voice 5: thank you trustee harris trustee patrick well

[2:35:54] Voice 4: let's say i can't believe it's december 13th

[2:35:58] Voice 4: and we're only meeting for the first time the election seems like it was a very long time ago

[2:36:03] Voice 4: which i think it was it's been very odd we've had two trust councils between before we've even had

[2:36:10] Voice 4: a chance to to meet and um but i'm honored to be back and i'm excited about working with trustee

[2:36:21] Voice 4: Harris and our new chair, Trustee Tim Peterson. Welcome to Salt Spring and really looking forward

[2:36:31] Voice 4: to getting going. I do believe that the results of the election said that we need to do a much

[2:36:39] Voice 4: better job with housing and also a better job with environment and how we manage and solve issues

[2:36:46] Voice 4: issues together and how we talk together and I think we started the conversation this morning

[2:36:50] Voice 4: we certainly didn't finish it but I think we expressed interest that we want to find better

[2:36:55] Voice 4: ways of having that public facing that how we've done business in the past that meeting here at

[2:37:03] Voice 4: noon on every day of the week it is Tuesday you know isn't exactly conducive to public

[2:37:11] Voice 4: public need to talk about that um we also talked a little bit about uh swifa this morning suppose

[2:37:19] Voice 4: the salt spring island watershed protectional landscape there's a lot happening and continues

[2:37:24] Voice 4: to happen we're waiting for the uh a new strategic plan um that's going to be it's really going to be

[2:37:32] Voice 4: a first are we aimed high we wanted four logos on the front cover of the four agencies that are

[2:37:38] Voice 4: are involved main agencies involved in water protection the province ourselves the crd and

[2:37:44] Voice 4: north salt spring water district and it's looking like we might achieve that goal and i think that's

[2:37:49] Voice 4: going to be a real important first to show that we it is not just one of us that the strategic

[2:37:55] Voice 4: plan belongs to it belongs to all the agencies and that we're trying to coordinate the work that

[2:38:00] Voice 4: we're doing and uh that is getting close to being out here you may have noticed that i did not put

[2:38:09] Voice 4: my name forward to be on the trust council executive uh this term and i did that after

[2:38:15] Voice 4: very careful consideration i wanted to figure out how i could serve salt springs interests the best

[2:38:21] Voice 4: and um and i think i could do a better job by having being far more active on the trust

[2:38:27] Voice 4: council committees i've been appointed to the regional planning committee and i hope to take

[2:38:33] Voice 4: a leadership role on that committee that committee is responsible for responding to the local trust

[2:38:40] Voice 4: committee's planning needs and advising on the provision and allocation of resources to deliver

[2:38:45] Voice 4: planning services i'm really looking forward to being very active on that one i was also elected

[2:38:51] Voice 4: I was elected by my peers to be on the governance committee.

[2:38:54] Voice 4: And I think Salt Spring has a very strong presence

[2:38:59] Voice 4: on the governance committee.

[2:39:00] Voice 4: All three of us were elected

[2:39:02] Voice 4: to be on the governance committee.

[2:39:05] Voice 4: So I think we can say

[2:39:07] Voice 4: we're going to be well represented there.

[2:39:12] Voice 4: We did not, with the exception of Tim Peterson

[2:39:15] Voice 4: and his role of the executive,

[2:39:17] Voice 4: neither of us local trustees were appointed

[2:39:20] Voice 4: to the financial planning committee.

[2:39:22] Voice 4: And I hope we can fix that next year.

[2:39:30] Voice 4: I think the bottom line is I'm putting my focus here

[2:39:34] Voice 4: on Salt Spring.

[2:39:36] Voice 4: I'm looking forward to, I'm working with Emily Olson

[2:39:40] Voice 4: on trying to put a, pull together a housing summit

[2:39:44] Voice 4: that will work with the Southern Gulf Islands Forum.

[2:39:49] Voice 4: That's all the locally elected in the Salt Spring,

[2:39:52] Voice 4: the southern gulf islands from all levels of government and first nations um i'm joined the

[2:39:57] Voice 4: climate caucus and we'll be active in the vancouver island and union bc municipalities climate

[2:40:05] Voice 4: groups to help our bring focus to the climate action initiatives and i'm willing to sit down

[2:40:13] Voice 4: with you or your island organizations anytime to talk to you about what matters most

[2:40:17] Voice 4: please reach out and contact me

[2:40:19] Voice 5: because I'd like to hear from you.

[2:40:22] Voice 5: That's my report.

[2:40:25] Voice 5: Thank you,

[2:40:26] Voice 12: Trustee Patrick.

[2:40:27] Voice 12: So the next is Chair's report, that's me.

[2:40:31] Voice 12: I am Tim Peterson.

[2:40:33] Voice 12: I'm elected on Mesquite Island

[2:40:35] Voice 12: and appointed to be the chair

[2:40:38] Voice 12: of the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee,

[2:40:40] Voice 12: as well as Galliano Island and Hornby Island.

[2:40:46] Voice 12: and uh happy to be here and i am very interested in looking at uh options for official meetings

[2:40:56] Voice 12: outside of these day time working hours so we're going to be investigating that more and uh and or

[2:41:03] Voice 12: in the coming time i'm going to try and set up some opportunities for a less formal chance for

[2:41:12] Voice 12: for people to get to know me a little bit outside

[2:41:14] Voice 12: of the official meeting format.

[2:41:19] Voice 12: I've also been, I'm the executive committee representative

[2:41:25] Voice 12: on the trust programs committee.

[2:41:29] Voice 12: And so this week also the executive committee

[2:41:34] Voice 12: will be meeting with the new minister

[2:41:37] Voice 12: of municipal affairs, Mr. Kang tomorrow.

[2:41:40] Voice 12: tomorrow and i'll be on galliano on thursday and so that's it for now and i'm going to uh

[2:41:52] Voice 12: i'm going to welcome uh your crd director

[2:41:55] Voice 5: gary holman here and uh and i

[2:42:01] Voice 5: noticed but i've started a timer for all our reports i'm going to start a timer for you as well

[2:42:05] Voice 5: how much time do i have five minutes okay

[2:42:08] Voice 17: um brevity is not usually a strong point but

[2:42:12] Voice 17: congratulations to all the trustees um being elected um so uh what happened during the last

[2:42:20] Voice 17: election was also a referendum on a local community commission for the crd uh so the

[2:42:27] Voice 17: crd board will be adopting that establishment by law tomorrow uh we are targeting an election

[2:42:34] Voice 17: for LCC commissioners, which will,

[2:42:39] Voice 17: four commissioners in addition to the director

[2:42:42] Voice 17: sit as the LCC and they will be replacing

[2:42:48] Voice 17: the four island-wide appointed commissions.

[2:42:51] Voice 17: So the targeted date for the election is May 27th

[2:42:54] Voice 17: and the first meeting of the LCC would be in June of 2023.

[2:43:00] Voice 17: So this would be a significant change

[2:43:03] Voice 17: and crd governance it broadens representation to eliminate some of the silos i hope we can get

[2:43:09] Voice 17: people are willing to i'm sure this rings about with the trustees of trust council who are willing

[2:43:15] Voice 17: to work together constructively that it's going to be so important so you folks we all will be

[2:43:22] Voice 17: voting for those people and i i hope you listen for those kinds of messages um the channel ridge

[2:43:29] Voice 17: which tower I know was on the agenda,

[2:43:32] Voice 17: had a discussion with the channel,

[2:43:33] Voice 17: which group have sent an email to the trustees

[2:43:36] Voice 17: suggesting that the local trust committee and CRD

[2:43:40] Voice 17: consider a suggestion to move the tower

[2:43:44] Voice 17: further away from the residences.

[2:43:46] Voice 17: And perhaps that would get us past this,

[2:43:48] Voice 17: what appears to be a current impasse, affordable housing.

[2:43:53] Voice 17: My focus is going to be on four properties on Salt Spring

[2:43:56] Voice 17: that are uh designated or actually zoned for affordable housing two of those properties are

[2:44:03] Voice 17: land bank properties which fan city is foreclosing on one of them has been purchased by the lookout

[2:44:08] Voice 17: society another very capable ngo who will be in addition to community services and i wave

[2:44:14] Voice 17: will be a very strong proponent for future housing development and bracket springs also

[2:44:22] Voice 17: so under consideration by a local ngo so there's about 100 densities possible on drake road and

[2:44:29] Voice 17: three other properties including dragonfly and sirdi is negotiating an establishment of a utility

[2:44:36] Voice 17: for dragonfly which is a ownership model so that's going to pick up my my focus is properties that

[2:44:42] Voice 17: are already in a sense moving buses uh i see that chair anderson from north salt spring is

[2:44:50] Voice 17: presenting today i've requested a meeting and or salt spring has agreed to a meeting to talk about

[2:44:56] Voice 17: ways in which we can possibly free up water to support affordable housing in their service area

[2:45:02] Voice 17: particularly with regard to suites and cottages which the trust has already

[2:45:08] Voice 17: legalized those properties but the water moratorium has presented an issue

[2:45:14] Voice 17: um personally i'll be uh serving on five crd committees uh crd parks hospital and housing

[2:45:24] Voice 17: environment uh governments which could uh have a role to play with respect to our lcc and maybe

[2:45:31] Voice 17: working out some bumps on the road there as well as the electoral area committee uh crd has received

[2:45:37] Voice 17: received 561,000 in funding from Pacific Hand, which is the new, it used to be Western Economic

[2:45:47] Voice 17: Diversification. They've now created a Pacific Coast specific entity, 561,000 to upgrade

[2:45:53] Voice 17: Centennial Park. The bad news is that the bid we got there results in a substantial

[2:46:00] Voice 17: overrun on that. And I think that's mindful of my five-minute limit. I'll let it go at that.

[2:46:07] Voice 17: but perhaps people want some questions.

[2:46:09] Voice 17: Thanks, Chair.

[2:46:12] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:46:14] Voice 12: I've got about a minute left.

[2:46:15] Voice 12: So if there's maybe one or two really brief questions

[2:46:18] Voice 12: for the CRD chair, and then we'll move on.

[2:46:20] Voice 12: Okay, we'll move on to section 14, which is correspondence.

[2:46:29] Voice 12: We have a number of items here.

[2:46:34] Voice 12: Number of them are for information,

[2:46:36] Voice 12: but 14.1 is for consideration,

[2:46:38] Voice 12: consideration which is from Ella Wonder Underwood on behalf of summer side strata Council dated

[2:46:45] Voice 12: October 11 2022 considering concerning a summer side development

[2:46:50] Voice 5: resolution follow-up and anything

[2:46:56] Voice 5: from trustees on this item well

[2:46:58] Voice 4: I guess it's more it is a question I know this is a complex

[2:47:03] Voice 4: complex project. Of course, it's now in bankruptcy. So not only do they have a large block wall

[2:47:13] Voice 4: in their backyard, they have skeleton structures now sitting there unfinished

[2:47:23] Voice 4: fencing and what else from a construction site. So I guess I'd be looking to staff as to

[2:47:35] Voice 4: what what if anything we can we can do about the

[2:47:41] Voice 8: situation now of

[2:47:42] Voice 6: course he's trying to

[2:47:48] Voice 8: bankruptcy

[2:47:48] Voice 5: or well

[2:47:50] Voice 4: i guess well one i guess that's two parts one is you know the outstanding

[2:47:53] Voice 4: we were looking at anything we could do to address this block wall that was in the

[2:47:58] Voice 4: are they indeed

[2:47:59] Voice 5: bankrupt or in bankruptcy or are they just trying to get funds i have no idea

[2:48:05] Voice 5: to finish the project in terms of when developers don't access uh don't aren't able to advance the

[2:48:16] Voice 5: development um really isn't much that staff can do we certainly work with applicants to

[2:48:25] Voice 5: explore ways that they can better manage costs on their development

[2:48:31] Voice 5: development permits especially we look at priority guidelines in terms of what what

[2:48:38] Voice 5: must be achieved and sometimes the sometimes the certain guidelines are more discretionary

[2:48:44] Voice 5: depending on the development of the site context so um it's it's fairly limited and um quite often

[2:48:51] Voice 5: we are responding to uh requests directly from the applicant um to address that so um this one

[2:49:02] Voice 5: here i'm honestly not entirely familiar with uh the building activity is not advancing it's a

[2:49:09] Voice 5: faith strata the challenge of course especially with that we don't really hold the uh the

[2:49:16] Voice 5: agreements related to stratus with the uh the provincial approving officer um a challenge for

[2:49:23] Voice 5: us to okay

[2:49:27] Voice 12: thank you so in terms of the direct request for an update there's really not much

[2:49:32] Voice 12: we can do about that without further information um trustees was there uh anything you wanted to

[2:49:42] Voice 12: mentioned on the next round of correspondence i'm mindful of the fact we've got about five

[2:49:46] Voice 12: minutes until the delegation period starts

[2:49:49] Voice 5: and i'd like to start that on time if possible

[2:49:52] Voice 5: i see that uh the the the next one that's written for consideration as opposed to information is on

[2:50:01] Voice 5: page 159.

[2:50:03] Voice 4: oh sorry

[2:50:04] Voice 5: go ahead i

[2:50:05] Voice 4: mean i do want to comment on yeah this copy of this uh times

[2:50:12] Voice 4: Times colonist opinion piece that was in here.

[2:50:16] Voice 4: I almost trust it not respond.

[2:50:18] Voice 4: There is some correct information that is in there

[2:50:22] Voice 4: that the trust council did not reestablish priorities

[2:50:27] Voice 4: the way that this is presented in here at all.

[2:50:32] Voice 4: In fact, the environment is listed as a priority

[2:50:35] Voice 4: in the current and former draft trust policy statement.

[2:50:43] Voice 4: And so I just want to mention that, that this has incorrect information that we never responded to as an organization.

[2:50:52] Voice 5: And do you want to consider some response?

[2:50:56] Voice 5: I

[2:50:56] Voice 4: responded to a very similar article that was put in the Dripwood on saying facts that were, lack of

[2:51:03] Voice 5: facts that were reiterated in this article.

[2:51:07] Voice 5: But you don't have any particular action you want to take?

[2:51:11] Voice 5: No, I'm surprised to see it in here.

[2:51:13] Voice 5: okay uh were there any further ones uh to take any action or make any any discussion

[2:51:23] there's your chair yes sir i did

[2:51:25] Voice 5: note that uh item 14.8 uh is for consideration yes i saw that yes

[2:51:32] Voice 5: so if there's nothing else then uh uh 14.8 actually i have it on one 159 as it says

[2:51:41] Voice 5: which is that's the one regarding salt spring island road safety and maintenance

[2:51:56] Voice 5: from

[2:51:58] Voice 8: trustees or staff on this item expected of

[2:52:11] Voice 4: us i mean i know we have met with ministry staff

[2:52:14] Voice 4: adam olson was there as well and um i i you know we've had we've spoke of being a proponent of

[2:52:24] Voice 4: doing some planning with

[2:52:26] Voice 9: the ministry on transportation

[2:52:32] Voice 6: okay not happening

[2:52:38] Voice 5: today uh okay we have a number of more for consideration but there's

[2:52:45] Voice 5: absolutely no we're going to get through them before we get to the delegation section

[2:52:49] Voice 5: so i'm going to propose that we uh draw a line at 14.8 maybe we could look at 14.9 just to see

[2:52:59] Voice 5: what okay do you think we can do that in two minutes um

[2:53:01] Voice 8: i don't can we

[2:53:06] Voice 5: go back to this i

[2:53:07] Voice 5: suppose yes that's that was

[2:53:08] Voice 12: my thought is

[2:53:09] Voice 5: that we draw a line under 14.8 when you

[2:53:11] Voice 5: get a chance to

[2:53:15] Voice 12: okay so that being the case um we have some delegations here today and uh their first is

[2:53:24] Voice 12: from jay clark and i'm going to set timer for five minutes and uh as usual ask that you uh speak

[2:53:37] Voice 12: respectfully and uh speaking issues and not personalities and

[2:53:42] Voice 5: uh thank you mr clark

[2:53:50] Voice 10: welcome trustee harris welcome chair peterson my name is julian clark i represent the concerned

[2:53:55] Voice 10: residents of canvas back place regarding the rogers cell tower i'm here with a whole group

[2:54:01] Voice 10: of folks um i'm sure that uh trustee patrick can attest to the fact that we're pretty persistent

[2:54:06] Voice 10: We've been here for about the last 16 months, every month, talking about the cell tower.

[2:54:12] Voice 10: Today is the day that you could actually put this to bed for us and end our coming to this meeting all the time.

[2:54:20] Voice 10: But I had three things to do in my five minutes, and the first is impossible, and that's to bring you up to speed on what's happened here.

[2:54:27] Voice 10: So what I did instead, if you take a look and just remove the paperclip,

[2:54:30] Voice 10: but the very front page here is a high level bullet

[2:54:33] Voice 10: on what's occurred over the last period of time.

[2:54:37] Voice 10: And if you'd like a summary of that,

[2:54:38] Voice 10: basically what happened is Rogers showed up,

[2:54:41] Voice 10: said they'd like to put a tower up.

[2:54:43] Voice 10: Unfortunately, we didn't tell them that we had a policy

[2:54:45] Voice 10: that was in effect, that had never been revoked.

[2:54:48] Voice 10: We, the staff of the local trust committee did say

[2:54:52] Voice 10: that they should use the islands trust model protocol

[2:54:55] Voice 10: as a guideline.

[2:54:57] Voice 10: They then asserted in their application

[2:54:59] Voice 10: that indeed they completed the islands trust protocol um and they got a concurrence in july

[2:55:06] Voice 10: of last year um by march it had become very clear that their assertion was false that they

[2:55:14] Voice 10: falsified their application and the local trust committee rescinded that concurrence that was in

[2:55:20] Voice 10: march in uh that was communicated to them in april and in may they went to the regulators and whined

[2:55:29] Voice 10: a little bit they didn't actually uh file any kind of dispute resolution but the executive

[2:55:34] Voice 10: of rogers was a previous employee at the federal regulator and uh the federal regulators wrote

[2:55:40] Voice 10: although they had no standing in this matter unless there's dispute wrote to our local trust

[2:55:44] Voice 10: committee at that time and said well we we don't really support your decision we don't see any

[2:55:49] Voice 10: valid reasons and what's ensued in the last six months since then has been the local trust

[2:55:55] Voice 10: committee writing many letters but never actually stating the reasons for the rescindment and in

[2:56:01] Voice 10: your package you'll find that there is a another paper clip a group of items these are all the

[2:56:08] Voice 10: letters that were written by chair luckham and take your time i'm not going to use my five minutes

[2:56:15] Voice 10: but trust me go through them and not in one of these did he ever state what the reasons were for

[2:56:21] Voice 10: the rescission now that is deadly important because the federal regulators do have a veto

[2:56:29] Voice 10: the federal regulators have delegated in in the regulations to you the land use authority to

[2:56:36] Voice 10: stipulate what you require for an antenna sighting to take place and they require that the proponent

[2:56:41] Voice 10: the telecom meet those requirements they however have a veto power if there's a dispute they can

[2:56:51] Voice 10: veto your decision and they can ask that this tower be placed anywhere so if you look at the

[2:56:59] Voice 10: history of the regulators the only time they've ever vetoed is when a municipality has said you

[2:57:06] Voice 10: can't place a cell tower here at all when the municipality is unreasonable you have not been

[2:57:11] Voice 10: unreasonable you asked for the islands trust protocol to be met rogers agreed they'd met it

[2:57:17] Voice 10: rogers falsified that application so the very last item that you will find in this package

[2:57:22] Voice 10: is what we came to the local trust committee on july 12th meeting of this past year which was a

[2:57:28] Voice 10: draft to be written to the uh the regulators which lays out exactly why all of the valid rationale

[2:57:38] Voice 10: for your rescission false assertions had they followed the protocol that they said they had

[2:57:45] Voice 10: they could not place the tower where they're planning on placing it that they missed a whole

[2:57:50] Voice 10: bunch of things to do with first nations consultation and on and on and on so i would ask

[2:57:57] Voice 10: that you please write a letter now to bison and to rogers that states clearly the reasons for your

[2:58:05] Voice 10: rescission and perhaps that could be combined very nicely with director holman's suggestion

[2:58:11] Voice 10: that you will work with them to relocate the tower somewhere else in the other 570 hectares of bare

[2:58:17] Voice 10: land, rather than in the midst of a medium density residential area, which is what they're

[2:58:23] Voice 10: doing.

[2:58:26] Voice 10: My five minutes is probably up.

[2:58:27] Voice 10: The last item I did want to ask for is an injunction.

[2:58:30] Voice 10: They were asked by Chair Luckum in these letters on July 20th to suspend their activities.

[2:58:35] Voice 10: They ignored that.

[2:58:37] Voice 10: They brought their excavators in on July 26th, and these folks and myself stood in protest

[2:58:43] Voice 10: and were threatened with arrest to stop them, but we did stop them.

[2:58:47] Voice 10: but Rogers quite frankly will stop at nothing so you can get an injunction that is a an absolute

[2:58:56] Voice 10: possibility two things you have to prove that you have a prima facie case you do have a prima facie

[2:59:00] Voice 10: case that means that on the first impression you actually have a strong case and it's there

[2:59:08] Voice 10: and I'd be happy to spend time on that and secondly that there's irreparable damage if

[2:59:12] Voice 10: they aren't stopped and there would be irreparable damage to both your reputation

[2:59:15] Voice 10: into our environment and scar our land in our midst of our neighborhood thank you

[2:59:22] Voice 5: mr clark

[2:59:26] Voice 5: okay

[2:59:28] Voice 12: so at 15.2 we have now understand dr waldeck has got someone else presenting or they're

[2:59:39] Voice 12: just presenting on virtually people might

[2:59:43] Voice 5: be able to help us out here

[2:59:47] Voice 5: Hello.

[2:59:50] Voice 1: Any chance that I'm on the screen?

[2:59:55] Voice 1: Yes, we can hear you.

[2:59:57] Voice 1: Fantastic. Thank you very much for your time.

[3:00:00] Voice 1: My name is Dr. Andrea Scanlon, and I'm here on behalf of Transition Salt Spring and Dr. Ruth Waldick.

[3:00:09] Voice 1: And so I would like, I'm here in support of the motion that was passed by the Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance at a recent meeting.

[3:00:19] Voice 1: And that request specifically is for a little bit of staff time from the Islands Trust Senior Fresh Water Specialist.

[3:00:26] Voice 1: So this arises specifically from a meeting with the SWPA Technical Working Group in November regarding funding that we at TSSS are pursuing through the Environment and Climate Change Canada through one of their recent calls for grant proposals, specifically under a freshwater theme.

[3:00:51] Voice 1: and our aim is to address erosion on the road uh degradation using natural features like wetlands

[3:01:00] Voice 1: and to reduce water flows so specifically the focus is on the very highly degradated max

[3:01:07] Voice 1: mount maxwell road uh which poses hazards currently the emergency services vehicles

[3:01:13] Voice 1: aren't able to access that to the top of the road and also the continuing the contaminants

[3:01:20] Voice 1: from the erosion are filtering into ripon creek which as you know supplies a majority of the

[3:01:28] Voice 1: community water supply uh in mount maxwell and if i i think i can share my screen with you

[3:01:34] Voice 1: just going to show three maps and it won't take five minutes let's see if i can make this happen

[3:01:42] Voice 1: does

[3:01:50] Voice 8: that come up yeah great okay so

[3:01:59] Voice 1: um let's see next north salt spring water district is also

[3:02:05] Voice 1: interested in the project because of the the year after year exceedances of public health

[3:02:11] Voice 1: water quality thresholds caused by the sedimentation and the contaminants so

[3:02:17] Voice 1: So, again, what we want to do is address the flash flooding and the continuous damage to the road, as well as the nutrients and sediment from the road affecting the quality of water for the community.

[3:02:34] Voice 1: And these are caused by legacy drainage systems that are speeding up the movement of water on the east side of Mount Maxwell, causing damage to the road.

[3:02:48] Voice 1: there are large volumes of water that move through year after year moving soil and nutrients towards

[3:02:54] Voice 1: the lake and this is what's affecting the quality of our water so we've talked to modi and they have

[3:03:00] Voice 1: absolutely no budget to do any further work on mount maxwell road which is still damaged from

[3:03:06] Voice 1: last winter's atmospheric river pardon me um so again our goal is to slow the water on the road

[3:03:15] Voice 1: and to move it into the forested areas before it hits Ripon Creek Road.

[3:03:21] Voice 1: And a review of ways to reduce these flows from a lot of research and consulting with staff

[3:03:28] Voice 1: and neighboring municipalities indicates that the use of natural infrastructure

[3:03:34] Voice 1: is the cost-effective way to slow the movement of water.

[3:03:37] Voice 1: So specifically, our goal is to just have the Islands Trust approve some time from their Senior Water Specialist to help us with the hydrological aspect of this.

[3:03:53] Voice 1: Specifically, in our planning, we'd like a little bit of support to enable us to identify the priorities to address the flash flooding and protect our water supply.

[3:04:06] Voice 1: and this would enable the providing of professional guidance for the design of a series of stepped

[3:04:12] Voice 1: water retention areas and wetlands should TSS be successful in receiving the funding that we've

[3:04:19] Voice 1: applied for starting in the summer of 2023 so specifically we'd like a little bit of help

[3:04:26] Voice 1: undertaking a hydrological model for the watershed and a little bit of oversight and guidance

[3:04:33] Voice 1: This would contribute, augment the contribution from the SWIPA working group with the preparation of terms of work and review of work to address the flooding and the contaminants in Mount Maxwell Lake, which is the watershed providing potable water for about 50% of our island's residents.

[3:04:56] Voice 1: Thank you very much.

[3:05:01] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:05:06] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:05:06] Voice 12: Okay. And 15.3, Donison is canceled, correct?

[3:05:13] Voice 12: Yes.

[3:05:14] Voice 12: Okay. So that brings us to section 15, sorry, yes.

[3:05:21] Voice 5: When we should probably talk

[3:05:22] Voice 4: about the requests

[3:05:23] Voice 4: of both of those delegations

[3:05:25] Voice 5: made requests of us.

[3:05:26] Voice 5: Okay,

[3:05:26] Voice 12: would you like to do that at this moment?

[3:05:28] Voice 5: Do you want to do that now or?

[3:05:30] Voice 5: Well,

[3:05:30] Voice 12: I noticed we've got about four minutes.

[3:05:32] Voice 12: So the town hall session would normally be open.

[3:05:36] Voice 5: So that's at your pleasure.

[3:05:39] Voice 4: um i don't know what um do

[3:05:46] Voice 5: you want to ask uh maybe ask a couple questions of staff and then

[3:05:49] Voice 5: consider some action a little later in the meeting well

[3:05:55] Voice 4: i guess one is the question regarding

[3:05:57] Voice 4: roger's tower i mean i appreciate the director holman's suggestion that you know there i don't

[3:06:06] Voice 4: think we've ever been explicit and said move it is is that a is that a letter worth worth

[3:06:15] Voice 4: worth considering you know if the crd and the

[3:06:17] Voice 5: island's trust were to cooperate on making that

[3:06:20] Voice 5: request would that be a beneficial um thing to do uh if if the local trust committee feels that it

[3:06:32] Voice 5: is worth doing uh i don't have a strong opinion on a worthwhile sending letter uh it seems that it is

[3:06:38] Voice 5: uh one alternative um and it's

[3:06:41] Voice 15: in keeping with letters sent previously uh the last letter uh

[3:06:44] Voice 15: uh sent by uh previous chair Luckum indicated that if you submit an application and follow

[3:06:51] uh the existing policy in place

[3:06:54] Voice 5: as to whether or not that should be at its present location

[3:06:58] Voice 5: or at another location in the future um this is that is something that we could follow up

[3:07:03] Voice 5: i don't know can i can i direct a question to Mr Director Holden

[3:07:10] Voice 5: certainly

[3:07:11] Voice 4: would would a joint letter be possible or is it two letters is that

[3:07:17] Voice 17: either way and just

[3:07:19] Voice 17: a comment about crest which is a co-sponsor i guess although the residents have and and probably

[3:07:32] Voice 17: appropriately so directed their uh concerns to rogers they are the main proponent but i have

[3:07:37] Voice 17: talked to crest staff about the option of moving it crest to their executive director so who

[3:07:49] Voice 17: indicates to me that crest would not have an objection to moving there there may be some cost

[3:07:54] Voice 17: implications for both rogers uh and also possibly crest uh gordon who's the executive director is

[3:08:04] Voice 17: certainly aware of that but uh feels that

[3:08:07] Voice 17: uh it they they don't they wouldn't have an issue

[3:08:12] Voice 17: with it because it gets us past uh this impasse and we get a tower that where our emergency

[3:08:20] Voice 17: communications could be co-located i think most people on salt spring and certainly the local

[3:08:27] Voice 17: trust committee would support that so in other words bottom line crest would not have an objection

[3:08:33] Voice 17: we should copy crest on that letter but either a joint letter or separate letters whichever is

[3:08:41] Voice 17: easier

[3:08:45] Voice 8: seems

[3:08:48] Voice 5: quite straightforward for some report to be moved that's legitimate and they're willing

[3:08:54] Voice 5: to do so and it's like a solution could

[3:09:01] Voice 4: we move a resolution that whether it's

[3:09:04] issued

[3:09:07] Voice 4: simultaneously whatever you know i don't want to hold up either i don't know what would

[3:09:12] Voice 4: be involved in a joint letter um is

[3:09:15] Voice 5: that something that we have to draft right now as we're sitting

[3:09:17] Voice 5: here no we just have to direct the letter be drafted director it would be signed by the

[3:09:23] Voice 5: charity are you wanting to make a motion

[3:09:25] Voice 4: sure love them on the fly don't we um i'll move the

[3:09:33] Voice 4: the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:09:37] Voice 4: request staff to,

[3:09:41] Voice 4: or request staff, or do we just request staff

[3:09:44] Voice 4: to draft a letter

[3:09:52] Voice 4: and consider a joint letter.

[3:09:54] Voice 4: I don't think we want to tie it to that,

[3:09:57] Voice 4: with the CRD requesting that the Rogers Press Tower

[3:10:02] Voice 4: be

[3:10:04] Voice 8: relocated, we can leave it.

[3:10:11] Voice 8: fill in the blanks yeah and signed by the chair if

[3:10:18] Voice 5: if i may yeah the motion

[3:10:20] Voice 5: ought to just suggest that staff coordinate with um crd with with uh with crest and uh

[3:10:28] Voice 5: okay

[3:10:34] Voice 5: from your signature uh or or from the planning office

[3:10:43] Voice 5: whichever is most appropriate carries the most weight i would imagine

[3:10:49] Voice 5: typical practices yeah for the lbc to direct the chair yeah

[3:10:56] Voice 5: um sorry i forgot your name how how are you doing on that then

[3:11:01] Voice 13: i can be back okay wonderful

[3:11:02] Voice 5: uh

[3:11:03] Voice 13: that the salt spring island local trust committee requests to have to coordinate with

[3:11:07] Voice 13: press and the crd to draft a letter requesting that the rodgers communication tower be relocated

[3:11:13] Voice 13: and that the letter be signed by the chair happy

[3:11:17] Voice 12: with that okay moved and seconded

[3:11:21] Voice 12: accepted by trustee harris any further discussion no i'll call the question those all in favor

[3:11:30] Voice 12: not opposed that carries

[3:11:31] Voice 4: should i come back to the other delegation and then

[3:11:35] Voice 4: add that to our list of things okay

[3:11:38] Voice 12: and then should we do that the address the 15.2 delegation

[3:11:42] Voice 12: a little later on yeah all

[3:11:43] Voice 12: right let's do that then and so we have a town hall opportunity here

[3:11:54] Voice 12: for members of the public to speak to the local trust committee um so if you'd like to

[3:12:00] Voice 12: uh address the local trust committee come up to the podium please i believe is it

[3:12:06] Voice 5: three minutes

[3:12:09] Voice 5: we have three minutes for town hall were you right were you in three for car violence yep

[3:12:16] Voice 5: okay hi

[3:12:17] Voice 3: i am uh steve lamphong and i live at 304 cranberry road and i also have uh renee

[3:12:23] Voice 3: jack always supporting me here as well and what i want to bring to the honest dress is um it has to

[3:12:28] Voice 3: do with tiny houses so on our property we have a tiny house on wheels that was constructed during

[3:12:35] Voice 3: the from January to May and we recently got a letter from the CRV telling us that we need to

[3:12:41] Voice 3: comply with apply for a building permit for the unit now we had thought that when we started the

[3:12:46] Voice 3: tiny house project that we were complying with a bylaw that covers recreational vehicles and

[3:12:52] Voice 3: mobile homes on our property and it's only going to be occupied for less than 90 days

[3:12:56] Voice 3: we sent a letter to laura patrick i know she's here today that's

[3:13:00] Voice 8: me oh hey

[3:13:00] Voice 3: laura yes we sent

[3:13:02] Voice 3: a letter to laura from my sister-in-law lorraine who's in australia just outlining where we're at

[3:13:06] Voice 3: with this so i guess what we want to understand is really where the island trust is standing on

[3:13:12] Voice 3: tiny homes and where they fit into the bylaws because we thought that when we started the

[3:13:18] Voice 3: tiny house project that we were following the land use that covers mobile homes and

[3:13:26] Voice 3: which you're allowed it's a mobile structure that we've built on wheels and we've hooked up to the

[3:13:31] Voice 3: septic system for the bylaw and we're not going to occupy it for less than 90 days so we want to

[3:13:37] Voice 3: understand where you guys are with that so that that way we can work with the crd and whatever

[3:13:41] Voice 3: requirements are are required for that so can we answer

[3:13:54] Voice 4: uh

[3:13:55] Voice 12: yeah well

[3:13:56] Voice 4: i don't i good question i i

[3:13:59] Voice 4: i i did respond there's lots going on with tiny homes um but i this is an interesting

[3:14:07] Voice 5: explicit question where an rv would have been allowed uh whereas this isn't a tiny home for

[3:14:16] Voice 5: residential purposes

[3:14:17] Voice 4: so i i don't know how to answer the question have you

[3:14:21] Voice 15: received a

[3:14:22] Voice 5: bylaw

[3:14:23] Voice 3: infraction so yeah so i'll tell you what we found the 18th of february we received a letter from the

[3:14:28] Voice 3: Islands Trust that the CRD had referred them to the structure but the only thing they brought up

[3:14:34] Voice 3: was that they met the requirement on February so we can see that we resolved that and moved the

[3:14:40] Voice 3: tiny house so that it was you know I think six meters or three meters from the lot so we thought

[3:14:44] Voice 3: well that must mean that we asked the bylaw in person too is that the only infraction that there

[3:14:51] Voice 3: is he said yes that's it so we thought that the plot matter was closed with regards to that we

[3:14:55] Voice 3: could proceed with the structure but then we received a letter on august 5th telling us that

[3:15:00] Voice 3: from the crd now saying that they place a software board on the structure where it's already been

[3:15:05] Voice 3: completed um and saying that we needed to get a building permit basically for the tiny house

[3:15:11] Voice 3: which kind of screw kind of caught us really off guard because we thought that again it was fine

[3:15:16] Voice 3: we didn't need a building permit because it's a non-permanent structure it's structured on wheels

[3:15:20] Voice 3: you can show a pathway to move it.

[3:15:22] Voice 3: It's easily movable off the property

[3:15:24] Voice 3: once you disconnect the septic.

[3:15:26] Voice 3: So this really caught us off guard.

[3:15:29] Voice 3: And then we received another letter from the CRB

[3:15:31] Voice 3: telling us that they were going to place a notice

[3:15:34] Voice 3: on our title until these resolutions are resolved

[3:15:40] Voice 3: and that they're building a file basically.

[3:15:43] Voice 3: So at this point in time,

[3:15:45] Voice 3: the other thing the CRB has sent us by email

[3:15:47] Voice 3: is that the first thing that they need

[3:15:49] Voice 3: is actually for the island strong plan review plan review for the island express and so i guess

[3:15:56] Voice 3: that's what i'm here for now is to the first time coming to you i feel on behalf of all tiny house

[3:16:02] Voice 3: owners because there's a lot of them on the island right and i feel like the crd has come to us after

[3:16:06] Voice 3: facts now pushing a building permit on us when they could have come to us in february when they

[3:16:11] Voice 3: gave us the first bylaw interaction saying the setback's wrong at that point in time it would

[3:16:15] Voice 3: have been really easy to say okay let's get everything in place if a building permit is

[3:16:20] Voice 3: required but now we're at the point where the structure is built you know and there's a lot

[3:16:23] Voice 3: of cost involved now in trying to back in the requirements for a building you know so we really

[3:16:29] Voice 3: feel like we're setting some precedent here by what the outcome of this is for other tiny house

[3:16:35] Voice 3: owners so and again we don't want to like skirt past the CRD requirements you know we did a very

[3:16:40] Voice 3: big renovation in sight of the tiny house that's all permitted we thought we were only up in that

[3:16:45] Voice 3: here so we're not trying to like you know pull something over anyone's eyes at this point in

[3:16:49] Voice 3: time they're just asking for guidance so

[3:16:57] Voice 17: uh if we could share contact information what i'd like

[3:17:01] Voice 17: to do is have a conversation with you and the chief building inspector about this okay uh tiny

[3:17:06] Voice 17: homes per se as conventionally defined uh you can build a tiny home that's completely consistent

[3:17:13] Voice 17: with the building but tiny homes on wheels are not uh permitted by provincial building code which

[3:17:22] Voice 17: crd feels obligated that they have been forced but if we can maybe we can this is a temporary

[3:17:31] Voice 17: accommodation situation and maybe crd doesn't understand that but we exchange information

[3:17:37] Voice 17: let's have a conversation with the the

[3:17:40] Voice 3: chief building inspector okay i would appreciate that

[3:17:43] Voice 3: yeah thank you how do i just pass through a piece of paper my contact sure

[3:17:46] Voice 5: and i'll give you a card

[3:17:48] Voice 5: okay oh oh afterwards that's it yeah trustee patrick um

[3:17:52] Voice 4: i've been advocating for tiny homes

[3:17:56] Voice 4: on wheels now for seems like forever uh the southern gulf island forum met yesterday which

[3:18:02] Voice 4: is the elected officials uh throughout the southern gulf islands and uh we had heard that

[3:18:08] Voice 4: the mayors from the cowagin valley regional district are organizing to uh request the

[3:18:14] Voice 4: province you know to figure this out how can we get a building uh permit these buildings for

[3:18:22] Voice 4: residential use um so the southern gulf island forum members yesterday concurred and want to

[3:18:29] Voice 4: do the same thing so i think you're seeing more and more interest from the regular the local

[3:18:34] Voice 4: government elected official levels to put more pressure on the province we have a housing crisis

[3:18:38] Voice 4: crises, yet we have this form of housing that's not legal. And it is frustrating. But I think

[3:18:47] Voice 4: the movement is finally changing. I wish I could say it's going to be magically wanted

[3:18:52] Voice 4: fixed tomorrow. No. But we definitely have growing support to put pressure on the province.

[3:19:00] Voice 4: We can't say we have a housing crisis and we can't not

[3:19:02] Voice 5: address this form of housing,

[3:19:04] Voice 5: which is a very reasonable form of housing.

[3:19:11] Voice 3: One thing I want to throw out there too on top of that

[3:19:13] Voice 3: is that I saw an article about they're building

[3:19:15] Voice 3: a tiny house community in Alberni, right?

[3:19:17] Voice 3: Tiny house village or whatever.

[3:19:18] Voice 3: And I saw in that article, they said that what they did

[3:19:21] Voice 3: was they provided an equivalency report

[3:19:22] Voice 3: to show that the structure is an equivalent.

[3:19:25] Voice 3: And so that's something, I mean, for me,

[3:19:28] Voice 3: it's going to be really difficult for us

[3:19:29] Voice 3: at this point in time to do the building permit part of this.

[3:19:33] Voice 3: but if an equivalency report could be provided that shows equivalency maybe that's one way you

[3:19:38] Voice 4: know we can

[3:19:39] Voice 4: the alberni ones were uh factory manufactured delivered to site ukraine so they

[3:19:45] Voice 4: are more in line with the potential for equivalency for the building permit it's just it's it's a very

[3:19:50] Voice 4: challenging issue okay but that that is those are things to explore

[3:19:56] Voice 12: and and one of the things that

[3:19:57] Voice 12: actually came out in that discussions of the gulf islands group was that the uh there is a

[3:20:03] Voice 12: permitting regiment around rvs that is quite different than the bc building code and that

[3:20:11] Voice 12: somehow we need to find some accommodation in the bc building code to work with those type of

[3:20:19] Voice 12: parameters because

[3:20:21] Voice 5: the building code has something like height restrictions that don't work in

[3:20:25] Voice 5: mobile type units um

[3:20:28] Voice 12: if there's nothing further i'm going to say thank you and see if there's

[3:20:32] Voice 12: any other members of the public that like to address the local trust committee that's me

[3:20:40] Voice 10: again look i just want to say that um the delegation process doesn't work very well

[3:20:45] Voice 10: give me five minutes but there was absolutely no discussion the town hall works a lot better you

[3:20:48] Voice 10: had eight minutes and a lot of discussion i asked for two things during the town hall and they're

[3:20:54] Voice 10: are nowhere to be discussed or talked about.

[3:20:56] Voice 10: I would love an opportunity, all of us within the CROC

[3:21:00] Voice 10: or Concerned Residents of CanvasVac would like

[3:21:02] Voice 10: an opportunity to meet with you, to talk with you,

[3:21:04] Voice 10: to fill you in on the background,

[3:21:07] Voice 10: and to be sure that the next letter that is sent

[3:21:09] Voice 10: isn't just another that goes in the pile

[3:21:12] Voice 10: that doesn't really put this to bed.

[3:21:15] Voice 10: And if we had an opportunity to discuss this,

[3:21:18] Voice 10: I am sure that you would be convinced

[3:21:21] Voice 10: that we can put this to bed

[3:21:23] Voice 10: if we actually state the reasons why it's been rescinded.

[3:21:29] Voice 10: So, again, Chair Peterson, you'd indicated

[3:21:33] Voice 10: there may be other opportunities to meet.

[3:21:35] Voice 10: I would love, we would all love the opportunity to meet

[3:21:38] Voice 10: and take you through this and be sure the next step

[3:21:40] Voice 10: is the final step to getting there.

[3:21:43] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:21:44] Voice 8: Okay, thank you.

[3:21:45] Voice 8: Hi, my name is Elaine St. Phil

[3:21:51] Voice 8: and I too am a member of the Concerned Residents

[3:21:54] Voice 8: of canvas back placement been involved

[3:21:56] Voice 5: in this process to advocate for the tower being relocated

[3:22:02] Voice 5: from the proposed site. As you would know from the correspondence that we've submitted over the

[3:22:08] Voice 5: last year and a half, the closest home is within 40 meters of the site and most jurisdictions require

[3:22:14] Voice 13: at least 500 meter distance from residential densities.

[3:22:20] Voice 3: Rogers has made it very clear in

[3:22:23] Voice 3: the July 7 Zoom meeting that they had with the community that they did not want to relocate

[3:22:28] Voice 3: the tower to the proposed area that we were suggesting, which is the on-air plans that

[3:22:35] Voice 3: are at the very end of the campus back place.

[3:22:37] Voice 3: There is road work into that area.

[3:22:40] Voice 3: There's hydro into that area.

[3:22:42] Voice 3: And they made it very clear during that July 7 meeting that the utilities are already in

[3:22:49] Voice 3: place at the

[3:22:50] Voice 13: site that they are proposing.

[3:22:52] Voice 13: closing, and it would be more cost-effective to continue with that site.

[3:22:57] Voice 13: So what I'm getting to is the point that I

[3:22:59] Voice 3: think the critical piece here is, to echo

[3:23:03] Voice 5: what Julian has said multiple times, is that you need to be providing to ICIT the reasons

[3:23:11] Voice 5: why, your very valid reasons why, your resilience should stand.

[3:23:16] Voice 5: I think ICID will come back to you if you don't provide those reasons and say, no, they've met the requirements of our ICID default protocol, and the veto could still stand from their perspective.

[3:23:32] Voice 5: And I think, again, as I've mentioned, Rogers very clearly said to us during that July 7

[3:23:41] Voice 5: Zoom meeting, they had no intention of meeting with us and holding a public consultation

[3:23:45] Voice 5: open house, that the Zoom meeting would suffice, and

[3:23:50] Voice 5: that they had no

[3:23:50] Voice 3: intention of looking

[3:23:51] Voice 3: at going to the other area at the end

[3:23:53] Voice 5: of Camp Speck.

[3:23:54] Voice 5: So please reconsider and send with your documentation the reasons why your rescindment must stand.

[3:24:03] Voice 5: Thank you.

[3:24:05] Voice 8: Hello Trustee, Mr.

[3:24:13] Voice 5: Chair. I'm the chair of the North Salt Spring Water Works District, Sandra Anderson,

[3:24:20] Voice 5: and I understand that every two years we're supposed to come and say hello to you guys when

[3:24:25] Voice 5: you're a new group and introduce ourselves and to provide you with some information about North

[3:24:31] Voice 5: Salt Spring Water Works because obviously what you guys do and what we do interact

[3:24:37] Voice 5: act on a fairly consistent basis and it's important i think the bylaw was put in place

[3:24:44] Voice 5: in such a way that um we would understand each other um because often we get accused of being

[3:24:51] Voice 5: the reason why things aren't happening on salisbury island and it's important that you

[3:24:56] Voice 5: understand where our water resources come from and why we have the situation we do and i'd like

[3:25:02] Voice 5: to thank um ruth and the work that she's doing because we've now seen um the situation on maxwell

[3:25:10] Voice 5: in pictures and the fact that we're getting sedimentation we've got degrading roads

[3:25:16] Voice 5: um and poor water quality as a result so um as you may or may not be aware some of you

[3:25:23] Voice 5: um north salt spring has a water moratorium in place which means that there are no more

[3:25:28] Voice 5: more connections available in our waterworks district and i want that to be made abundantly

[3:25:35] Voice 5: clear at this point we are looking at it we have been doing years of scientific research looking

[3:25:42] Voice 5: at ways that we can try and and deal with this issue um but the reality is is that we only have

[3:25:49] Voice 5: as much water as nature gives us and um if we do not look after our rate payers number one so that

[3:25:58] Voice 5: they have water we don't have a waterworks district so um i just wanted to make sure that

[3:26:05] Voice 5: everybody understood that and

[3:26:07] Voice 13: um that we are very supportive of the restoration work within the

[3:26:13] Voice 13: watersheds because

[3:26:16] Voice 5: there's opportunities with that restoration that may be possible

[3:26:21] Voice 5: that wouldn't be possible otherwise and the other thing that i'd like to say is that we've been

[3:26:27] Voice 5: been trying to put together and I'm sure Patrick has been

[3:26:32] Voice 13: very helpful in this in the past of

[3:26:35] Voice 13: making a memorandum of understanding with the North Salt Spring Waterworks so that trustees

[3:26:39] Voice 13: or trust count or trust staff can work with the North Salt Spring Waterworks staff so we can go

[3:26:47] Voice 13: and look at

[3:26:48] Voice 5: things like zoning. If you unilaterally go and say, okay, we're going to

[3:26:54] Voice 5: have a project here

[3:26:55] Voice 13: and you haven't worked with us um even if there was the capacity within the

[3:27:02] Voice 13: existing system but the infrastructure

[3:27:05] Voice 5: isn't there there's absolutely no way that the project can go

[3:27:08] Voice 5: forward um for most proponents unless they're willing to pay for that which honestly often is

[3:27:14] Voice 5: in millions of dollars so

[3:27:17] Voice 13: it's really really important and i'm going to please urge trustees

[3:27:21] Voice 13: and council to work with us and to share information

[3:27:26] Voice 13: and make that formalized and make it regular

[3:27:28] Voice 13: so that at least what we've got,

[3:27:31] Voice 5: we can continue to maintain

[3:27:34] Voice 5: and to look at other possibilities in the future,

[3:27:36] Voice 5: depending on what the science tells us

[3:27:38] Voice 5: and what the environment pays back.

[3:27:40] Voice 5: So thank you so much.

[3:27:42] Voice 5: Thank you.

[3:27:44] Voice 12: Trustee Patrick.

[3:27:46] Voice 4: Don't want to let you get Sandra.

[3:27:49] Voice 4: I didn't know you were being blamed

[3:27:51] Voice 4: that the north salt spring was being blamed for all the delays i thought that was island's trusts

[3:27:55] Voice 4: uh territory but we're happy to share that with the north salt spring water district absolutely

[3:28:00] Voice 4: um i did uh we did ask staff you weren't here earlier today uh we asked about the letter that

[3:28:06] Voice 4: had come to us uh and the work of trying to move for the more formalized agreement and uh staff did

[3:28:13] Voice 4: report to us that they have had very good conversations with their staff and um and

[3:28:18] Voice 4: those conversations are progressing so um thank

[3:28:23] Voice 13: you for what that is the reality is

[3:28:25] Voice 13: we need something in writing yeah i'm going to need a formal agreement that's very important

[3:28:30] Voice 13: i think

[3:28:37] Voice 5: we're hopefully

[3:28:38] Voice 4: making progress they're talking

[3:28:48] Voice 5: and i'm here to support the statement you heard from a fellow uh about the sanditon project

[3:28:55] Voice 5: what what they're doing is they're blasting away the whole side of the mountain there's a

[3:29:02] Voice 5: portion of it's been blasted away and the plan is to blast away more and more and it's uh it

[3:29:11] Voice 5: It is a great danger to the inlet because of the way the Cowichan River flows there.

[3:29:17] Voice 5: Evidently, there's very, very slow emptying or flushing of the inlet.

[3:29:22] Voice 5: And you know that's a big salmon run there, and it's very important to the First Nations that have objection to this.

[3:29:29] Voice 5: And I just hope that you can do what Patrick suggested, the same thing that the municipality has done,

[3:29:40] Voice 5: and send that kind of message shouldn't be too complicated or difficult and this is very helpful

[3:29:46] Voice 5: and protective and very easy to protect

[3:29:51] Voice 8: thank you is there any other yeah okay wonderful

[3:30:01] Voice 5: I'm Merv Walde, a retired farmer, very active with the farm intensity.

[3:30:12] Voice 5: That's where I was when I was speaking.

[3:30:15] Voice 5: Anyway, what I

[3:30:16] Voice 7: just want to say, happy to see this new board,

[3:30:21] Voice 7: new trustees that are here, and I'm expecting to see lots of good stuff.

[3:30:26] Voice 7: Coming from this, my biggest concerns, food security, workplace, workforce.

[3:30:37] Voice 7: forest homes but it's the two ones that i think are most important to me i have a little bit of

[3:30:44] Voice 7: concern about the relationship that was developed in the past between i was trust and transition

[3:30:55] Voice 7: salt which is

[3:30:57] Voice 5: to me is a private group of people that are not elected and don't represent the whole

[3:31:04] Voice 7: population in salt some of their things that they bring out are a little bit concerning

[3:31:10] Voice 7: concerning some of the data that they're using, I don't consider it particularly truthful.

[3:31:20] Voice 7: I just see one particular one that I just found out about was,

[3:31:24] Voice 7: you can transition Salt Spring, their webpage, and it's a quote that says,

[3:31:28] Voice 7: in Salt Spring Islands, coastal Douglas fir forests are part of a globally rare ecological zone

[3:31:35] Voice 7: found almost exclusively on BC's south coast.

[3:31:38] Voice 7: If you look at the National Park Service in the USA, I quote,

[3:31:45] Voice 7: Coast of Douglasburg extends from central British Columbia south along the Pacific coast into California, 1367 miles long.

[3:31:57] Voice 7: So to

[3:31:58] Voice 5: me, that's not very accurate when you say almost exclusively from southern British Columbia.

[3:32:08] Voice 5: anyway i just hope that the

[3:32:13] Voice 7: relationship between you and everybody to find

[3:32:17] Voice 5: and maybe not quite so

[3:32:20] Voice 5: thank you thank you for that we've had some uh other people speak in delegation

[3:32:25] Voice 5: about um about the cdf

[3:32:32] Voice 7: and um yeah it's nice to see that some people are catching on that

[3:32:37] Voice 7: maybe there's some other information out there that might be a bit more factual

[3:32:40] Voice 7: that's been presented i'm corey johnson um i'm just here to thank you guys for all stepping up

[3:32:51] Voice 7: running and representing our communities um i think it's really important in this next term

[3:32:57] Voice 7: with all of the issues going on with housing uh the environment uh also development opportunities

[3:33:04] Voice 7: and you know keeping people employed and places to live mostly um i think that has to be a key

[3:33:11] Voice 7: focus for this term and i think it's important that uh we find solutions for housing we find

[3:33:18] Voice 7: solutions for worker housing importantly i think that gets uh forgotten about often

[3:33:22] Voice 7: uh and i also think it's important that the honest trust gets their own governance house in order and

[3:33:27] Voice 7: uh you know goes back to the province and really reviews what they're doing how they're doing it

[3:33:32] Voice 7: and how they're delivering demanding so i want to thank you all for taking on this monumental task

[3:33:36] Voice 7: and uh look forward to working with everybody thank you chris

[3:33:45] Voice 15: chapman i'm representing the

[3:33:47] Voice 15: housing committee here today uh we're wondering when we're going back to work we've got a lot of

[3:33:53] Voice 15: things to do we've done a lot of work already i want to get 5 30 push through for housing for

[3:33:58] Voice 15: everybody especially workforce housing and we were kind of shut down because of one native group in

[3:34:06] Voice 15: the san diego peninsula wrote one letter that was the only as far as i know response to what

[3:34:11] Voice 15: we proposed in the negative and we don't know whether we're going back to work or not but

[3:34:16] Voice 15: but we have a lot more work to do.

[3:34:18] Voice 15: We have a lot more plans to get done

[3:34:20] Voice 15: and we would just like to get back at it as fast as we can.

[3:34:25] Voice 5: Thank you.

[3:34:27] Voice 6: Sounds good to me.

[3:34:33] Voice 5: Actually, Roslonsky, I'm here to represent myself

[3:34:36] Voice 5: and my company, Roslonsky Properties.

[3:34:39] Voice 5: You'll remember I spoke at the last week

[3:34:42] Voice 5: before the elections.

[3:34:44] Voice 5: What I'd like to know is what the trust is doing

[3:34:47] Voice 5: to address not only for permanent housing for workers,

[3:34:52] Voice 5: um on the island but also accommodate um accommodations for tourism here um a lot

[3:35:00] Voice 5: of people know me and my company know are we mostly work with tourists coming to the island

[3:35:06] Voice 5: um without the tourists a lot of people here would be unemployed it brings a lot of money

[3:35:13] Voice 5: to everyone here. I've received

[3:35:17] Voice 3: several citations over the past year from Warren Dingman. I was

[3:35:22] Voice 5: hoping to address him today, but since he's here. Basically, there was no even discussion around

[3:35:31] Voice 5: why the citations were received. Every one of the properties that the citations were issued on

[3:35:38] Voice 5: were legal according to my understanding of the bylaws um he basically didn't want to talk to me

[3:35:45] Voice 5: told me i was the unreasonable one and i could shut them all down or pay the fines that's not

[3:35:51] Voice 5: how government works um so i had to hire a lawyer which i now have an outstanding debt on but i would

[3:35:59] Voice 5: love to forward to the trust at this point quite honestly and as soon as i hired that lawyer and

[3:36:04] Voice 5: introduced him to warren and he sent one email over to warren i was completely ghosted so at

[3:36:10] Voice 5: this point i have no idea where these citations stand they could be in the collections agency

[3:36:15] Voice 5: for all i know right now so i find it very very rude on his behalf that i wasn't even given a

[3:36:24] Voice 5: response after i said who my lawyer was um so i'd like to know what the trust is going to do going

[3:36:30] Voice 5: going forward so that we're all on the same page.

[3:36:33] Voice 5: We can all work together so that we address both sides.

[3:36:37] Voice 5: There is definitely a need for housing on the island.

[3:36:40] Voice 5: Absolutely.

[3:36:41] Voice 5: I think the housing prices are being a little bit

[3:36:43] Voice 5: overused right now.

[3:36:45] Voice 5: It's across the Canada.

[3:36:47] Voice 5: There's, I'm from Manitoba.

[3:36:48] Voice 5: You can go to Manitoba.

[3:36:49] Voice 5: It's so easy to find a house there than it is here.

[3:36:52] Voice 5: It's everywhere.

[3:36:54] Voice 5: But shutting down all Airbnbs is not the solution.

[3:36:59] Voice 5: And a lot of the Airbnbs out there

[3:37:02] Voice 5: are completely legal. I went to my cottage in Manitoba for a week and decided to rent it out

[3:37:07] Voice 5: to someone through Airbnb for that week. I got a ticket for it because I'm taking housing off the

[3:37:12] Voice 5: market. That's not right. I was trying to think of a trick. Me leaving my house for a week and

[3:37:20] Voice 5: having a tourist in it, who's then going to spend God only knows how much money here. I'm not the

[3:37:26] Voice 5: problem. But yet I'm being ticketed. And when I question why I'm being ticketed, I get ghosted.

[3:37:32] Voice 5: and then i get more tickets trickling through the mail but no communication no responses back thank

[3:37:43] Voice 8: you

[3:37:44] Voice 5: uh is there any other members of the public justine all

[3:37:57] Voice 8: right then 16.

[3:38:05] Voice 5: so that brings us to

[3:38:07] Voice 5: section 17 applications and referrals on page 209 thank

[3:38:27] Voice 12: you to all the members of public that came

[3:38:29] Voice 12: and and shared with us today appreciate that and uh

[3:38:37] Voice 6: temporary

[3:38:49] Voice 5: use renewal uh staff wanna

[3:38:56] Voice 5: mr mr chair um i just have some we have a few items that we've sort of left behind

[3:39:03] Voice 5: it's our intention to finish this agenda and return to business that uh either by way of

[3:39:13] Voice 5: request yeah part nine important

[3:39:15] Voice 5: 14 14 and actually this is actually a perfect time to

[3:39:20] Voice 5: we have planners that are waiting for online as well uh to present our application which is where

[3:39:25] Voice 5: we're at right now okay to get clarity on how the agenda will proceed yes yes and of course we've

[3:39:31] Voice 5: gone a little bit trying to anticipate that trustees you have a desire

[3:39:44] Voice 12: to i was i was

[3:39:46] Voice 12: inclined to go ahead with a section 17 and then circle back around to the 9.5

[3:39:52] Voice 5: and 14.9 sections

[3:39:54] Voice 5: and we saw the closed meeting section uh do you have a preference or

[3:40:00] Voice 4: to look to staff management

[3:40:02] Voice 4: issues as to you know if someone's if there's

[3:40:05] Voice 12: people waiting online at this point but maybe

[3:40:07] Voice 12: we should just do the application so i would recommend okay that's where what i was inclined

[3:40:12] Voice 12: to be all right so we let's just go ahead and do that so we're on 17.1

[3:40:20] Planner: sure peterson uh peterson baby pardon can you hear me or peterson all right peterson

[3:40:27] Planner: and uh

[3:40:27] Planner: this is a phil testamil so um i'm this is my item i think i don't know if that was me

[3:40:33] Planner: you were made aware of that and i'm coming in remotely or okay so um thanks for that um and

[3:40:41] Planner: i'd first like to acknowledge that i'm remoting in from the treaty lands of the esquimalt and

[3:40:45] Planner: laguanquan first nations um and just to introduce myself quickly to most of the altc um laura knows

[3:40:53] Planner: with myself. I'm a planner with the southern team and I've just been helping out with applications

[3:40:59] Planner: on Salt Spring Island for the last six months or so given the staffing issues and thankfully it

[3:41:06] Planner: looks like those are trending towards the better but that's just a quick introduction. So this

[3:41:12] Planner: particular application for 151 Lower Ganges Road is TUP 2022.4 and this is for a renewal

[3:41:23] Planner: of temporary use permit application or temporary use permit for a range of commercial uses on the

[3:41:30] Planner: subject property and on the adjacent filled public foreshore and those were initially

[3:41:36] Planner: authorized under salt spring tup 2019.6 in november of 2019 so the renewal application

[3:41:46] Planner: the actual tup itself is unchanged in terms of uses locations and conditions on the permit and

[3:41:52] Planner: that's attached to um the staff report and it's all those are also shown in figure two of uh

[3:42:00] Planner: the report um and for background and reference uh the comprehensive staff report um from the

[3:42:07] Planner: initial application in 2019 was put onto or placed or posted on the salt spring island

[3:42:13] Planner: local trust committee website um the current staff report also provides some general information

[3:42:20] Planner: on the purpose and the limitations of TUPs and TUP renewals, and that was just put in place for

[3:42:26] Planner: some introductory background on what the purpose of a TUP is. The applicant, who I believe is

[3:42:34] Planner: remoting in, Chris Lear, is a new owner of the property and has applied in order to comply with

[3:42:41] Planner: land use regulations and to provide the time to provide a comprehensive plan for the property

[3:42:47] Planner: and the adjacent marine water license area and he has confirmed that there have been no change

[3:42:53] Planner: in use to the property in the past three years so the property and the adjacent foreshore has

[3:42:59] Planner: a lengthy history with incremental additional or addition of uses that have been permitted

[3:43:06] Planner: through a series of tups and renewals that extend back over 20 years so land you that land use on

[3:43:13] Planner: this property is also framed in a context of current policies past and continuing island trust

[3:43:18] Planner: initiatives and CRD projects which include the Ganges boardwalk first nation interests and past

[3:43:27] Planner: physical changes on the property so the current Chris and previous owners maintain that the

[3:43:34] Planner: current zoning of the existing building does not reflect the historical uses on the property over

[3:43:42] Planner: the past decades and that the filled shore poor shore area is not appropriate in terms of zoning

[3:43:47] Planner: as since it was previously a water area and has now effectively land

[3:43:53] Planner: the current staff report argues that a rezoning application would is a requirement for staff

[3:44:01] Planner: support for the renewal of the application and that is in order to ensure that the land uses

[3:44:05] Planner: are legalized through an appropriate comprehensive rezoning process that was explained to the

[3:44:11] Planner: applicant and if we have now received application a rezoning application last week and the fees

[3:44:19] Planner: issuing the renewal will allow the uses to continue and should be a long enough time

[3:44:26] Planner: frame with the recommended three years to complete that rezoning process therefore

[3:44:32] Planner: despite our concurrence with the recommendation in 2019 the recommendation here is for the LTC

[3:44:39] Planner: to approve the renewal application for a period of three years with the rationale that the renewal

[3:44:44] Planner: does not conform to numerous policies and regulations. However, the receipt of the

[3:44:50] Planner: rezoning application should ensure that the long-standing land uses are comprehensively

[3:44:57] Planner: addressed and that a three-year period is a reasonable time to permit the uses to continue

[3:45:03] Planner: to continue while the rezoning application is completed.

[3:45:08] Planner: There were alternatives provided in the staff report

[3:45:10] Planner: and that's my summary.

[3:45:13] Voice 12: Thank you very much.

[3:45:18] Voice 12: Many members, general motion of the suite.

[3:45:23] Voice 12: We have a recommendation and there's some alternatives

[3:45:27] Voice 12: as well at the end of the staff report.

[3:45:30] Planner: Chair Peterson, just to note that Chris Lear

[3:45:34] Planner: is remote with us so um just so you're aware of that i think you know maybe okay thank you

[3:45:42] Voice 12: uh would you like to hear from the applicant trustees would like to hear from the applicant

[3:45:48] Voice 14: wonderful can you uh can you hear me yes wonderful i appreciate you guys allowing me to remote in i

[3:45:54] Voice 14: wanted to be there in person uh but i just wasn't able to with my child's schedule um so my name is

[3:46:00] Voice 14: Chris Lear. My wife and I purchased the marina. I used to be a resident on Salt Spring for 20 years

[3:46:07] Voice 14: back in 1990 to 2008. And my intention is to return back to the town where I grew up. And I

[3:46:15] Voice 14: was very excited to stumble across this marina. I didn't realize we were stepping into a hornet's

[3:46:19] Voice 14: nest as far as zoning and temporary use permits. I remember the service since when I was a boy

[3:46:27] Voice 14: there and Arvid and John kind of progressing it. I had no context for the background and I have to

[3:46:36] Voice 14: thank Phil and Rob for helping us through the understanding of the process here.

[3:46:41] Voice 14: Our intention is to maintain the existing use that we have. We would like to update the upper

[3:46:48] Voice 14: building on the upland but we'd like to maintain the marina and the shoreline uses as best as

[3:46:54] Voice 14: possible and also assist in the creation of the boardwalk across the the waterfront because we

[3:46:59] Voice 14: see that as being ideal for the community and being a long desired wish list item so anything

[3:47:06] Voice 14: that we can do to be good good stewards of the community would be our goal and we'd like this

[3:47:12] Voice 14: we'd like you to grant this temporary use so that we could remain in compliance but have time to

[3:47:18] Voice 14: craft the go forward plan and then present okay

[3:47:24] Voice 5: thank you i'm in full support of granting it

[3:47:28] Voice 5: and it sounds like maybe an application for a change of zoning also pretty cut and dry

[3:47:39] Voice 4: you know i'm no i'm in support of this approach there have been other rezonings where we whatever

[3:47:45] Voice 4: reason the temporary areas for us were not renewed because they said they weren't in compliance and

[3:47:50] Voice 4: while they went through the rezoning we are many many years later and we have no temporary use

[3:47:57] Voice 4: permits or rezoning on those properties so i think this is the right way to go where we have at least

[3:48:01] Voice 4: a temporary use permit that gives us some some guidance and ability to control the property

[3:48:08] Voice 4: while it's going through the rezoning

[3:48:09] Voice 12: excellent so there is a recommendation before us would

[3:48:14] Voice 12: you like to make the motion i'm

[3:48:19] Voice 5: not sure the correct wording uh it's right at the beginning

[3:48:21] Voice 5: of the report page 209 right there okay i move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[3:48:30] Voice 5: approved issuance of temporary use permit renewal ss tup 2022.4 for a period of three years

[3:48:42] Voice 5: 51 for the energy's role

[3:48:44] Voice 12: seconded any further discussion i'll call the question all those in

[3:48:50] Voice 12: favor are you in favor trustee harris okay and uh any opposed uh motion curious okay

[3:48:59] Voice 14: we're on to

[3:49:00] Voice 14: page thank you thank you very much appreciate the support thank

[3:49:04] Voice 4: you nice to meet you have a great

[3:49:05] Voice 14: afternoon and

[3:49:07] Voice 12: uh so we're on to 17.2 at page 220 and i read through a couple of these and i just

[3:49:15] Voice 12: have a quick uh question for staff because i i noted this in a couple of these and this is just

[3:49:22] Voice 12: please understand i'm learning on the job here i'm not you we don't have any development permit

[3:49:28] Voice 12: areas where i live and i i don't have a lot of experience with them one thing i notice is that

[3:49:35] Voice 12: there is a a couple of these have had uh dvp notices uh period notice periods that ended

[3:49:45] Voice 12: it yesterday and um so my only question is this is basically procedural so i understand here so

[3:49:53] Voice 12: when those uh notice periods close does that mean that uh we're expecting that we're not going to

[3:50:01] Voice 12: get any submissions on that uh application once it's once it's closed um it's yeah that's pretty

[3:50:08] Voice 12: much okay so

[3:50:09] Voice 12: when it well so when it ended yesterday on the 12th that window for submissions

[3:50:14] Voice 12: has been closed yeah

[3:50:15] Voice 5: it's not as strict as as a public hearing someone wants to come to town hall

[3:50:19] Voice 5: and speak on a dvp okay um

[3:50:21] Voice 5: you know just but in terms of

[3:50:24] Voice 12: that notice procedure yeah that person

[3:50:27] Voice 12: okay i just i

[3:50:27] Voice 12: saw it mentioned reference a couple times i just wouldn't understand it a bit better

[3:50:31] Voice 12: for myself the

[3:50:32] Voice 5: closure of the correspondence piece is really just for us to avoid situation

[3:50:35] Voice 5: where we need to walk it on for where to provide the ltc with the uh everything you've seen during

[3:50:40] Voice 5: that period um through through our distribution system uh excellent

[3:50:45] Voice 12: well that's uh i kind of

[3:50:49] Voice 12: thought so but i just wanted to make myself more aware of that so we have a recommendation before

[3:50:55] Voice 12: us and what we got on this

[3:50:58] Voice 5: this uh this application is also a planner testimony uh application so he's

[3:51:03] Voice 5: online there again to uh present this okay okay

[3:51:07] Planner: i'll just give a brief summary thanks for uh

[3:51:09] Planner: Peterson. So this application is to consider development variance permit DVP for the setback

[3:51:16] Planner: to a rear lot line for the siting of an addition to an existing building which is the principal

[3:51:21] Planner: dwelling. The specific variance is to article 4.3.1 bracket 2 of the land use bylaw and would

[3:51:29] Planner: reduce the rear lot line setback from 7.5 meters to 4.75 meters and the rationale provided is that

[3:51:38] Planner: granting the variance would permit the addition to be constructed in the most feasible and cost

[3:51:43] Planner: effective location and would potentially avoid damage or tree removal or damage to a tree or

[3:51:51] Planner: tree removal so figures two three and four in the staff report illustrate the location size

[3:51:58] Planner: and configuration of the proposed addition and that is a modest 65 meter squared which is 700

[3:52:04] Planner: square feet approximately two-story addition to an existing 127.3 meter square dwelling and that

[3:52:13] Planner: would provide an additional bedroom two bathrooms and expand the kitchen to make the dwelling more

[3:52:19] Planner: suitable for a family of five there are alternatives because the property is quite large

[3:52:24] Planner: to cite the dwelling addition to conform to the setback regulation however the current location

[3:52:31] Planner: was selected by the applicants to integrate with the existing room program roof lines and to

[3:52:37] Planner: minimize interior structural alterations to the dwelling and also to utilize existing location

[3:52:43] Planner: or sorry the existing location of electrical and plumbing services and as I said previously that

[3:52:49] Planner: the current location would avoid damaging the root structure or possible removal of the arbutus tree

[3:52:56] Planner: that's on the property, close to the dwelling.

[3:53:01] Planner: There are other buildings and uses on the property

[3:53:03] Planner: that are discussed in the report.

[3:53:05] Planner: They are not part of this application,

[3:53:07] Planner: but I will just particularly say that the use

[3:53:09] Planner: or the temporary use of an accessory building

[3:53:13] Planner: as a dwelling will be required to cease

[3:53:16] Planner: as a condition of the final occupancy

[3:53:20] Planner: of the subject dwelling.

[3:53:23] Planner: The addition to the subject dwelling,

[3:53:24] Planner: if the variance is passed and presumably then they would proceed to a building permit application

[3:53:31] Planner: which would be reviewed by Islands Trust staff. If the application is denied they do have the option

[3:53:38] Planner: to apply to the Board of Variants or the other alternative is to simply or not simply but to

[3:53:45] Planner: relocate the addition to conform with the bylaw regulation. The required notification which we

[3:53:52] Planner: were talking about uh was conducted and one email in support from the neighbor to the south was

[3:53:58] Planner: received and that was forwarded to the local trust committee um and posted online my understanding

[3:54:05] Planner: from the applicants who apparently are in attendance in person is that they've spoken

[3:54:10] Planner: to most of the other neighbors and they those neighbors haven't expressed any objections to

[3:54:15] Planner: the proposed variants uh staff's recommendation on the first page of the report is that the ltc

[3:54:21] Planner: approved the DVP given the rationale for the variance is reasonable potential impacts of

[3:54:27] Planner: granting the variance for assessed as minor both variance does not challenge the intent of the

[3:54:32] Planner: regulation and the variance would allow for the completion of a modest addition to the dwelling

[3:54:37] Planner: in the most feasible and cost-effective location and then there were two alternatives to that

[3:54:43] Planner: recommendation provided in the staff report and that's my summary thank

[3:54:48] Voice 12: you very much

[3:54:51] Voice 12: Justice is the applicant here.

[3:54:53] Voice 12: Hello.

[3:54:56] Voice 12: Do you do what to

[3:55:08] Voice 13: Thomas.

[3:55:13] Voice 5: He's number five and that's part of the

[3:55:15] Voice 5: house.

[3:55:24] Voice 5: The main rationale

[3:55:27] Voice 15: is that we're filling the kitchen out from where the kitchen is. We putting bathrooms in a stock where the distant bathroom is so.

[3:55:35] Voice 15: plumbing electrical is already there um

[3:55:38] Voice 5: and it's not a huge uh addition but it's it's something

[3:55:42] Voice 5: that uh we've discussed with our neighbors and they're absolutely happy with it and the

[3:55:49] Voice 5: rear lot line was back north forest and our neighbors are so far away and um so the letter

[3:55:56] Voice 5: was from our neighbors that we share the property line with yeah they were in support of us doing

[3:56:03] Voice 5: commission great thank you trustees i don't know i mean this is it's minor and straightforward and

[3:56:14] Voice 5: my my support yeah wonderful

[3:56:17] Voice 12: would someone like to make the recommended motion

[3:56:19] Voice 4: trust committee

[3:56:22] Voice 4: approve issues and development variants from an application seconded

[3:56:30] Voice 12: wonderful any further

[3:56:32] Voice 12: the discussion all in favor carries thank you very much thank you all right so we're on to 17.3

[3:56:41] Voice 12: at page 242.

[3:56:48] Planner: i'm just going to say thanks and i'm leaving the meeting now thanks chair peterson and

[3:56:52] Planner: trustees yeah

[3:56:53] Voice 5: this is uh bbt is for uh uh planet uh garbo is where you can speak to that if you

[3:57:01] Voice 5: like. Okay, I don't grow up.

[3:57:06] Voice 13: Presentation as you're aware, early this morning, we mentioned

[3:57:10] Voice 13: that I actually

[3:57:14] Voice 13: so for this particular DEP spinning the process for quite

[3:57:21] Voice 13: some time, so I don't have the in depth history on that. So I'll

[3:57:24] Voice 13: do my best to answer questions. But essentially, it's the

[3:57:28] Voice 13: The applicant is asking for deviation of the setback for the retaining wall from 50 meter to zero meter.

[3:57:37] Voice 13: That one is already constructed, so it's a violation.

[3:57:41] Voice 13: And the DBP is to give peak off the DBP that the wall can stay.

[3:57:49] Voice 13: The other issue is the sewage disposal fill location.

[3:57:55] Voice 13: he's requesting a setback from to reduce the setback and if we move it to page 25 it gives

[3:58:05] Voice 13: you kind of a location to show that where the disposal fill is being requested and so

[3:58:17] Voice 13: local trust committee heard the application twice and this last time is really the issue

[3:58:25] Voice 13: is with First Nations concerns and opposition to the DDP.

[3:58:30] Voice 13: So, Trustee actually passed a resolution

[3:58:33] Voice 13: to ask staff to enter a cost recovery agreement

[3:58:40] Voice 13: with the applicant to pay for First Nations

[3:58:43] Voice 13: to do a site visit.

[3:58:45] Voice 13: And as you can see on the report attachment,

[3:58:48] Voice 13: First Nations strongly opposed to it.

[3:58:52] Voice 13: And they also commented on,

[3:58:53] Voice 13: they don't go on to private property to do so because they don't feel it's culturally safe for

[3:59:01] Voice 13: them and for that reason they continue to oppose and so our recommendation based on the island

[3:59:09] Voice 13: trust council's commitment to reconciliation we are

[3:59:13] Voice 13: recommending denial of the dvp as we did before

[3:59:19] Voice 13: And I pull it out because it's here.

[3:59:25] Voice 12: Do you have anything to add?

[3:59:28] Voice 5: Yeah, I just wanted to note that it's, unfortunately,

[3:59:32] Voice 5: it's called a sewage field, but it's not connected to any toilets.

[3:59:35] Voice 5: I'm just trying to recycle my shower water and my sink water

[3:59:39] Voice 5: because my only other possible option is to haul it away

[3:59:42] Voice 5: via a large company.

[3:59:44] Voice 5: It's going to cost me $2,000 every time they come.

[3:59:48] Voice 5: And as it is,

[3:59:50] Voice 5: my islet doesn't get a lot of water

[3:59:52] Voice 5: and summer at all. So this dispersal field, which is what I call it rather than a sewage field,

[3:59:58] Voice 5: its main purpose is to

[4:00:00] Voice 5: cycle that water and keep it on island and keep my trees from dying which they almost do every summer

[4:00:07] Voice 5: and because i have to collect all my water on that islet water is a commodity so there won't

[4:00:16] Voice 5: be much left for irrigation once once everything else is like once the house is serviced it's not

[4:00:25] Voice 5: not a lot of spare water left as is so that's basically it i understand that yeah you guys

[4:00:33] Voice 5: are in a tough spot because yeah you don't like to go against the first nations and i understand

[4:00:41] Voice 5: that i would like the islands trust to just kind of keep me in mind in future when like if there is

[4:00:48] Voice 5: any other possible solutions like i've suggested by email that i will be permitted to because i've

[4:00:57] Voice 5: I've got a permitted tank that can get hauled away.

[4:01:01] Voice 5: I just want to separate out the harmful water from the non-harmful.

[4:01:04] Voice 5: So if in future there's some way to divert my shower water

[4:01:10] Voice 5: and sink water to a

[4:01:14] Voice 15: separate holding tank that I could treat

[4:01:16] Voice 15: and then use an irrigation system to water the trees on my property

[4:01:21] Voice 15: rather than hauling

[4:01:23] Voice 5: it away, which is environmentally not great.

[4:01:24] Voice 5: It's expensive and it's I think it constitutes undue hardship so I fully don't expect you

[4:01:34] Voice 5: guys to approve the DVP but I just hope in future that you consider that when you're

[4:01:40] Voice 5: writing up all your laws because as you can see on my island it's only 15 meters wide

[4:01:45] Voice 5: the setback is 30 meters so there's not a single point on that island where I can legally

[4:01:50] Voice 5: put this disposal here so it always had to be a DVP which my engineer has

[4:01:55] Voice 15: been in touch

[4:01:56] Voice 15: with everyone who can,

[4:01:58] Voice 5: Island Health, who were in favour of this over the hauling away

[4:02:06] Voice 5: of the waste, but that's not a story, it's not their decision,

[4:02:10] Voice 8: but

[4:02:11] Voice 5: yeah, just to reiterate,

[4:02:15] Voice 5: I've got all composting toilets that won't be connected to it at all, and there will

[4:02:21] Voice 5: be a separate permitted holding tank that can be hauled away as needed.

[4:02:26] Voice 5: so any water on the whole islet can be kind of sent to this irrigation system or to a

[4:02:33] Voice 5: or to the tank that has to get

[4:02:35] Voice 15: all the way it would just mean it has to get all the way a lot

[4:02:38] Voice 5: less often so it's better for everyone involved i understand you've got to do what you've got to do

[4:02:44] Voice 5: and thank you for the time is is this an archaeological site a red zone or a yellow zone

[4:02:51] Voice 5: so it's not in which first

[4:02:56] Voice 15: nations how many were contacted who spoke on their behalf it was all

[4:03:02] Voice 15: by letter by who the cowichan tribes yeah i mean it's it's

[4:03:08] Voice 5: yeah it isn't okay

[4:03:10] Voice 15: well i'm just reading

[4:03:10] Voice 15: this first nations section here it doesn't say anything about that so but it's yeah it's it's

[4:03:16] Voice 15: basically right yeah sorry

[4:03:19] Voice 13: chair um yes we

[4:03:20] Voice 13: typically just send it out to the list of

[4:03:23] Voice 13: referral and whichever nations responded and that's what we have my understanding is there

[4:03:30] Voice 13: are three responses we thought and we attached that to the staff report because at the end of

[4:03:35] Voice 13: the uh attachment

[4:03:37] Voice 5: yeah so those are the

[4:03:43] Voice 13: opposition from my accent right

[4:03:46] Voice 5: and so this is trying to find

[4:03:48] Voice 5: the page number for trustee errors here i would just make a note that when they were contacted

[4:03:57] Voice 5: they weren't made aware that this wasn't a full septic system they um they believed it was a full

[4:04:04] Voice 5: like connected toilets and everything to it so that it sounded a lot worse to them when they

[4:04:09] Voice 5: first heard about it so they each 281 i wonder if they could be contacted again it's from your

[4:04:19] Voice 5: Once you read the letters, they don't seem immediate.

[4:04:24] Voice 5: They don't seem immediate.

[4:04:27] Voice 5: Okay.

[4:04:29] Voice 5: Basically, they don't have any more construction to happen.

[4:04:32] Voice 7: But this isn't an archaeological.

[4:04:36] Voice 5: No, I've got a letter from the archaeological.

[4:04:46] Voice 6: Yeah, so let's go to Mr. Patrick.

[4:04:59] Voice 8: I've been

[4:05:00] Voice 5: involved in the times this has come before,

[4:05:02] Voice 4: and I

[4:05:03] Voice 5: want to be clear that the opposition,

[4:05:06] Voice 4: I've had this from the beginning.

[4:05:09] Voice 9: is

[4:05:09] Voice 4: excessive size of the development that you're proposing on this small islet and First Nations

[4:05:16] Voice 4: was just an additional step that we made so um this isn't and I

[4:05:21] Voice 4: I do not support the development

[4:05:23] Voice 4: variance permit it is not just on based on the on the response for First Nations it's um I just

[4:05:30] Voice 4: feel this is an excessive development on a small islet and

[4:05:34] Voice 5: I can't support the variance to

[4:05:36] Voice 5: accommodate it it's a one-acre property and the majority of houses around me are larger

[4:05:44] Voice 5: that's yes um if you've moved through the public input process yes that's a discussion with

[4:05:55] Voice 5: yourselves before this conversation yeah um it's really the three of you should be debating the

[4:06:01] Voice 5: merits of this application at

[4:06:02] Voice 12: that point yeah yes no thank you thank you so i'm i'm going to

[4:06:07] Voice 12: thank you and and that's now before this committee to work on um

[4:06:14] Voice 5: okay so a decision

[4:06:18] Voice 12: that's it well it remains to be seen his point of order was basically that that um we've heard from

[4:06:25] Voice 12: you we've got the staff report and now um the the discussion between the committee and you

[4:06:32] Voice 12: fight is over and we're now it's up to the committee to do our work at this point so

[4:06:37] Voice 12: okay that's his point

[4:06:38] Voice 8: yeah

[4:06:39] Voice 12: thank you so committee um uh you know i've read through i've read through

[4:06:48] Voice 12: the referral responses i've read through the uh the rationale

[4:06:51] Voice 5: um here and uh and we there is a

[4:06:58] Voice 5: recommendation in front of us there is also alternatives and uh i'd like to hear from the

[4:07:05] Voice 5: local trustees uh what you'd like to do at this point i'm prepared to make the most of my issues

[4:07:13] Voice 5: okay do you have a preference trustee harris or or what are some of the other recommendations

[4:07:20] Voice 5: uh the other alternatives there the alternatives are on page 243 at the bottom of the page oh

[4:07:36] Voice 6: that's about to read

[4:07:37] Voice 5: that's 240.

[4:07:56] Voice 5: just say the page numbers are predicted

[4:08:06] Voice 5: well again here sorry no that's

[4:08:08] Voice 5: from a previous report i don't understand

[4:08:10] Voice 4: oh

[4:08:11] Voice 5: i'm

[4:08:13] Voice 4: sorry you're right i'm in the old

[4:08:14] Voice 4: i'm in the older version

[4:08:15] Voice 5: you're in the older version on

[4:08:16] Voice 5: on the current version two page 243 that's the alternative to entertain a motion

[4:08:49] Voice 8: to deny issuance

[4:08:51] Voice 12: let's do that and then we can discuss that i

[4:08:54] Voice 4: move that the salisbury island

[4:08:55] Voice 4: local trust committee deny issuance of development variance permit ssdbp 2022.1 second

[4:09:05] Voice 5: i'm just

[4:09:07] Voice 5: wondering if there's more information okay in the interest of getting motion on the floor so we can

[4:09:15] Voice 5: discuss it i'm in a second motion emotions now they move and second it and now we open discussion

[4:09:23] Voice 5: uh go right ahead no

[4:09:25] Voice 4: i'll just repeat what i said before i think the um the

[4:09:27] Voice 5: development on the site

[4:09:28] Voice 5: is excessive for uh an island of this size and i can't support a variance permit to for it just

[4:09:39] Voice 5: here you know comments or questions i don't know i can't consider more information sounds like it's

[4:09:46] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, So, but if they can ask you so yeah.

[4:09:51] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, In one thing that jumped out for me was a request to vary the setback from 50 meters to zero years, which kind of stands out as the early three masks so.

[4:10:04] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, So any further discussion, but i'm not seeing any further discussion so i'm

[4:10:10] Voice 8: going to call the question all those in favor right and any opposed, because the motion carries.

[4:10:32] Voice 5: abstain abstention is in council's favor i understand it's hard okay so we're going to

[4:10:39] Voice 5: move on to 17.4 at page uh 289

[4:10:46] Voice 13: um as a quick introduction my name is charlie caprop i'm a

[4:10:52] Voice 13: planner technician with violence stress and i process current applications for um all three

[4:10:57] Voice 13: offices um so the development variance application being presented to you today is ssdvp 2022.16

[4:11:03] Voice 13: which is located at 124 Margaret Avenue to make lawful the siting of an existing staircase,

[4:11:13] Voice 13: dwelling and shed.

[4:11:15] Voice 13: So as shown in attachment four and in attachment six, the shed accessory building is located

[4:11:20] Voice 13: at the west side of the property and is 0.1 meters into the three meter interior side

[4:11:25] Voice 13: lot setback.

[4:11:25] Voice 13: The staircase in the northwest corner of the property is 7.5 meters into the front lot

[4:11:30] Voice 13: and three meters into the interior side lot line.

[4:11:33] Voice 13: and the dwelling situated near the east side of the property is 1.7 meters into the three-point

[4:11:38] Voice 13: meter interior sidewalk line. The applicant is not present today at the meeting stating that

[4:11:43] Voice 13: she had said that she needed to say in her application letter which is included as attachment

[4:11:46] Voice 13: one. The application is proceeding as a result of a bylaw compliance enforcement that began in

[4:11:54] Voice 13: April 2022 specific to the Polo parking area and of Rockwall which were constructed on the

[4:12:01] Voice 13: the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure right-of-way, so it's not on the actual property.

[4:12:07] Voice 13: Upon site inspection and review of the survey by staff, it was determined that the staircase

[4:12:12] Voice 13: that leads from the parking pull-out area is within the front and interior lock-line

[4:12:18] Voice 13: setbacks, and that the dwelling and the accessory building are within the interior lock-line

[4:12:21] Voice 13: setbacks.

[4:12:22] Voice 13: And so just to be very, very clear, the pull-out parking area and the rock wall are outside

[4:12:27] Voice 13: side of the property line and are under modi jurisdiction and are not part of this application

[4:12:32] Voice 13: the application the applicant is working with modi to resolve these uh encroachments a letter

[4:12:39] Voice 13: of support by the adjacent neighbor um regarding the stairs in the front and the interior lot line

[4:12:43] Voice 13: are included as part of this application which was made available prior to the meeting on the

[4:12:48] Voice 13: current applications page um and then correspondence was received yesterday so monday december 12th

[4:12:55] Voice 13: from the adjacent neighbor and in it the neighbor describes issues that they had with the previous

[4:13:00] Voice 13: owners um but they do not have relevance to this variance the variances that are being requested

[4:13:05] Voice 13: in this application um point being the neighbor has no concerns with the variance being requested

[4:13:11] Voice 13: for the house the dwelling um nor the shed on the opposite side of the property from the property

[4:13:16] Voice 13: line the other issues that were raised regarding the maple tree and a statue are not related to

[4:13:21] Voice 13: zoning and should be dealt directly neighbor to neighbor um the survey that's part of this

[4:13:26] Voice 13: application and part of the correspondence received on december 12th were conducted by the

[4:13:30] Voice 13: same company and show the same property lines it also clearly shows pins at each vertex when you

[4:13:36] Voice 13: look at the survey um along the property line and the more recent survey which was completed as part

[4:13:41] Voice 13: of this application shows that the building that was encroaching on lot 21 um has been relocated

[4:13:46] Voice 13: and the neighbor confirmed this verbally that the building had been moved off the property last week

[4:13:51] Voice 13: when they came into the office. And then the concerns regarding works in the right-of-way,

[4:13:56] Voice 13: as I mentioned, are not permitted with a variance and will be resolved with modis.

[4:14:01] Voice 13: So deconstructing the stairs would result in access issues and moving or removing the existing

[4:14:06] Voice 13: buildings would be unreasonably costly and time-consuming. So the recommendation for you

[4:14:11] Voice 13: today is to prove the DBP as the variance being sought is relatively minor. The dwelling in the

[4:14:16] Voice 13: shed been placed for many years and the dwelling uh was issued a billing permit at the time of

[4:14:21] Voice 13: construction and there's a letter of support from the neighbors adjacent to the property

[4:14:24] Voice 13: that is specific to this application and that's my summary summary and thanks very

[4:14:29] Voice 12: much trustees any

[4:14:32] Voice 12: any questions i

[4:14:34] Voice 4: have just more or less a comment um i know uh last term when i was involved with

[4:14:41] Voice 4: north pender island we took an initiative to do some education pointed specifically to contractors

[4:14:49] Voice 4: on work development permit areas and such setbacks to natural boundaries and

[4:14:56] Voice 4: and i think when i look at the last term how many cases especially the setbacks to the

[4:15:05] Voice 4: natural boundaries of the sea how many applications we had work that had already been done

[4:15:11] Voice 4: people who innocently did it hired contractors went forward and they didn't even know that they

[4:15:16] Voice 4: were involved so it's something we need to consider as a local trust area yes direct

[4:15:22] Voice 4: education for local

[4:15:23] Voice 15: education it

[4:15:25] Voice 4: is uh it is unfortunate because we're always dealing with

[4:15:29] Voice 4: some some cases the damage is minor

[4:15:31] Voice 5: in some cases it's not um and uh and it's we should

[4:15:37] Voice 5: pay attention to this rule so

[4:15:39] Voice 4: in this case

[4:15:39] Voice 5: i think what's going to be done in comparison comments

[4:15:47] Voice 5: no comment some great report

[4:15:49] Voice 5: i move that the salt spring island trust committee approve issuance of ss dbp 2022.16

[4:16:05] Voice 5: second second moved and

[4:16:07] Voice 5: seconded any further discussion no uh all those in favor

[4:16:12] Voice 12: opposed that carries thank you very much so we're on to page 303 then and item

[4:16:20] Voice 5: 17.5

[4:16:23] Voice 5: um this this and the next one are actually uh prepared by um peter dugan uh who was a

[4:16:30] Voice 5: planning technician up until november 23rd with the islands trust uh there is uh probably somewhere

[4:16:35] Voice 5: in europe temporarily so i have the uh the pleasure of presenting this to you today uh dvp

[4:16:45] Voice 5: 22.18 uh applicant is glenn brown and uh the address is park drive this application is to

[4:16:58] Voice 5: reduce over here um yeah this is reducing the required yard setback from 7.5 meters to 7.1

[4:17:12] Voice 5: in accordance with schedule one um it's just a uh a front lot line setback the property has already

[4:17:20] Voice 5: already been constructed

[4:17:24] Voice 6: minor

[4:17:29] Voice 5: their old character his village is still retained

[4:17:35] Voice 5: and trustees mr ford like to make the motion again

[4:17:42] Voice 4: the contractor built a built house after

[4:17:45] Voice 4: they'd already had approval to put it in the right place um i'll move the salt spring island

[4:17:53] Voice 4: local trust committee approve this best ssdp 2020.

[4:17:59] Voice 5: seconded okay for the discussion all those in

[4:18:04] Voice 5: favor and opposed motion carries and we're on to 17.6 then page 317. this uh this application is

[4:18:19] Voice 5: for a building to be familiar with pretty much everyone uh it's uh the uh

[4:18:26] Voice 15: 22591 pulver gandhi

[4:18:29] Voice 15: road which is the uh pulver community hall this application uh is

[4:18:35] Voice 5: to allow uh installation to

[4:18:39] Voice 5: green water collection tanks on the west side of the building this puts them over their uh

[4:18:45] Voice 5: their lot coverage there is currently a contravention of the bylaw though there isn't

[4:18:50] Voice 5: just the nature of the division of land here uh of the two parcels one small parcel that houses the

[4:18:59] Voice 5: community uh hall more or less and a much larger parcel that extends the boundary of

[4:19:04] Voice 5: of Fulford Creek creates this situation where we have a non-conformance in water coverage.

[4:19:14] Voice 5: The minimum right now is 72% upon installation of the water collection system,

[4:19:24] Voice 5: system will be at 42%, so the request is to increase the coverage at 42% due to the presence

[4:19:33] Voice 5: of Holford Creek, there's limited sighting options, the right area, I should also note

[4:19:49] that uh this

[4:19:51] Voice 5: property uh was a subject of a request for a refund on the application

[4:19:57] Voice 5: uh this

[4:20:00] Voice 6: application covered by the trust thank you

[4:20:07] Voice 6: christine

[4:20:09] Voice 8: looks good

[4:20:12] Voice 8: i'm sorry the applicant is here today is that yeah

[4:20:25] Voice 6: Oh, do

[4:20:26] Voice 6: you want to add anything?

[4:20:38] Voice 8: The Colford

[4:20:40] Voice 5: Hall has been using

[4:20:44] Voice 5: trucking water because the system that they used to have

[4:20:48] Voice 5: doesn't work anymore.

[4:20:50] Voice 5: And

[4:20:51] Voice 13: that the rainwater collecting system is going to be

[4:20:54] Voice 13: actually improve the water quality.

[4:20:58] Voice 5: So

[4:20:58] Voice 5: um as well so i think it's i think it's a really worthwhile project and i support it strongly

[4:21:11] Voice 5: thank you

[4:21:12] Voice 15: holding tanks what a great idea yeah

[4:21:15] Voice 5: maybe we could have some of those up at

[4:21:17] Voice 5: maxwell watershed trustees uh does anyone prefer to make the motion sure i move that the salt

[4:21:26] Voice 5: spring and local trust committee approved issuance of development permit ssdbp 2022 19

[4:21:34] Voice 5: 2591 over genji's road seconded any further discussion all those in favor

[4:21:41] Voice 5: opposed motion carries okay so we have a few items to go back to

[4:21:54] i

[4:21:55] Voice 5: have made a list of i don't know does anyone has anyone heard from warren do we know oh yeah

[4:22:07] Voice 15: they just they uh he's

[4:22:08] Voice 5: still around they go for lunch or something they said they'd come back in

[4:22:11] Voice 5: in an hour uh if you'd like to proceed uh from item nine uh sure

[4:22:24] Voice 5: okay so i would suggest right now that we would like to proceed just to finish all open meeting

[4:22:28] Voice 5: items

[4:22:29] Voice 15: and then we'll close yeah

[4:22:30] Voice 5: that's what

[4:22:32] Voice 5: i was assuming we'd do so we'll go back to 9.15

[4:22:35] Voice 5: five what i have next okay which is the sandwich inlet uh picture uh referral at page 68

[4:22:48] Voice 5: have

[4:22:50] Voice 8: a gate there so

[4:23:08] Voice 5: trustees we discussed this a little bit um we heard from the public a little

[4:23:13] Voice 5: bit on this uh a bunch of correspondence

[4:23:20] Voice 12: to refer to how would you like to proceed

[4:23:24] Voice 12: and i and i believe am i correct that we've had we've requested a an extension to the response

[4:23:31] Voice 12: to this and it's given us until sometime next week yeah also who it is there is a bit of a time

[4:23:38] Voice 12: crunch here as far as our response

[4:23:41] Voice 5: and we have some options so an extension no no

[4:23:47] Voice 12: no we've had

[4:23:48] Voice 12: an

[4:23:48] Voice 5: extension oh yeah and uh we've had an extension and it that extension runs out uh sometime next

[4:23:54] Voice 5: week so today's essentially the time for us to deal with this um in terms of response

[4:24:02] Voice 5: uh i don't know if uh i mean i i did have

[4:24:08] Voice 5: a chance i spent some of the evening last night

[4:24:11] Voice 5: going through some of the responses from other jurisdictions some of the neighbor

[4:24:19] Voice 5: first nations stood up this is the trustee patrick that you're going to raise yes okay

[4:24:24] Voice 5: Okay, please go ahead.

[4:24:26] Voice 4: I mean, my biggest concern, I mean, from this angle, it's the foreshore that is of concern, that would be of greatest concern to this local trust.

[4:24:37] Voice 4: I think the issues, now it hasn't been raised really by North Central Saanich or others, is sort of the whole cumulative impacts issue that gets raised often on what's happening along the shorelines.

[4:24:54] Voice 4: and i don't see this project

[4:24:56] Voice 5: being different than whether you're putting a single dock in

[4:24:59] Voice 5: um versus this entire area of the cumulative impacts um

[4:25:04] Voice 4: so like i i think i think making

[4:25:08] Voice 4: a recommendation that or responding to referral that our interests are unaffected is inappropriate

[4:25:15] Voice 4: um but

[4:25:15] Voice 8: i can't say that you know how they're affected either um i don't

[4:25:23] Voice 5: understand how this

[4:25:24] Voice 5: is the same as putting a dock well

[4:25:26] Voice 8: it's the question of cumulative impacts

[4:25:29] Voice 12: like in other

[4:25:30] Voice 12: words one dock is one thing but when you have you know a dock every hundred meters

[4:25:37] Voice 12: it's the accumulation of all those docks that create an impact that a single dock

[4:25:41] Voice 12: wouldn't necessarily make that's that's the idea and

[4:25:44] Voice 4: the same thing for the inlet the inlet has

[4:25:47] Voice 4: a hundred different things that cause impacts to it it's not this in isolation it's the it's

[4:25:53] Voice 12: everything else going on in the senate yeah and i mean i i'll just say that um you know when i look

[4:26:02] Voice 12: at this in terms

[4:26:03] Voice 5: of uh the obvious environmental impact and i looked at the object of the atlas

[4:26:09] Voice 5: trust and i looked at some of the letters from the neighboring governments including some of

[4:26:15] Voice 5: the neighboring first nations this is an impactful it's this this application by the the malahat

[4:26:24] Voice 5: nation company here it's it's it's going to cause environmental damage there's absolutely no doubt

[4:26:31] Voice 12: about

[4:26:31] Voice 5: it um and

[4:26:34] Voice 12: i think you've highlighted like does it act does it impact the interests of the

[4:26:40] Voice 12: local trust committee directly well it's kind of i think that is kind of hard to argue but

[4:26:46] Voice 12: do we concur that it's a

[4:26:48] Voice 5: great idea well that's i i think it's easy to point that there's

[4:26:53] Voice 5: some less than ideal parts one of the things that stood out for

[4:26:57] Voice 12: me was hearing that

[4:26:58] Voice 12: uh the uh expansion which has happened a couple times has been done at the

[4:27:06] Voice 12: outer that just below the threshold of causing a a a public um a public engagement type of of

[4:27:16] Voice 12: action so it's it's clearly been done at least a couple of times to uh try and expand as much

[4:27:24] Voice 12: without having to hear from the public on it and i kind of find that i be on a personal level i find

[4:27:30] Voice 12: that attitude of a

[4:27:33] Voice 5: little bit troubling as a way of doing business so i'm also not clear on you

[4:27:41] Voice 5: know there's an obvious step to take so with

[4:27:43] Voice 15: that said they were following the rules they're

[4:27:46] Voice 5: following the letter of the law absolutely so this is also a first nation yes and

[4:27:52] Voice 12: well and from a

[4:27:54] Voice 12: a reconciliation point of view this is one of the this is one of those tricky moments for us

[4:27:59] Voice 12: if if this was directly in our jurisdiction jurisdiction would be even trickier because

[4:28:05] Voice 12: here we have two two first nations saying we don't support this expansion of the work of another

[4:28:12] Voice 12: first nation so just we should consider ourselves lucky that this isn't directly in our jurisdiction

[4:28:19] Voice 5: because if it weren't and imagine how sticky our position would be on on this it's sort of like

[4:28:26] Voice 5: in a position to comment or as the malahat i'm missing something here is the malahat first

[4:28:33] Voice 5: nation and

[4:28:37] Voice 12: they're doing this business here to be clear as a number of companies it's a

[4:28:41] Voice 12: number of company owned by the malahat first nation it's

[4:28:48] Voice 5: quite complicated it's yeah and

[4:28:51] Voice 5: And yeah, and it's about a crown lease.

[4:28:56] Voice 5: And yeah, it's, anyway.

[4:28:59] Voice 5: Would it be something to ask, you know,

[4:29:02] Voice 5: or to say something along the lines of,

[4:29:06] Voice 5: can some sort of solutions be put in place

[4:29:11] Voice 5: that ensure

[4:29:15] Voice 8: that the environment

[4:29:19] Voice 5: will be harmed

[4:29:20] Voice 5: as little as possible?

[4:29:23] Voice 5: My suggestion is

[4:29:25] Voice 4: that we respond,

[4:29:27] Voice 4: We recommend that in the reference and consideration of the object of the Islands Trust Act, and

[4:29:35] Voice 4: then to steal right from the second half of the Saanich, that further, you can say that

[4:29:46] Voice 4: further consultation be conducted throughout the Saanich Inlet, and that potential, or

[4:29:51] Voice 4: you don't have to say the consultation, or you can say that potential longer-term environmental

[4:29:56] Voice 4: impacts be understood and mitigated.

[4:30:00] Voice 4: before permits are considered that's

[4:30:02] Voice 12: would

[4:30:03] Voice 5: you

[4:30:05] Voice 12: like to make a motion to that effect sure

[4:30:09] Voice 5: um i'll

[4:30:12] Voice 4: just look to stop should we if you you encourage us to reference the object

[4:30:16] Voice 4: or we need to reference the object if

[4:30:19] Voice 15: it's the local trust committee you may wish to

[4:30:25] uh state that it how it how the object relates to your interests so um

[4:30:32] The object is right. So you could say that this concerns the object of the trust in reference to section three of the Island Trust Act.

[4:30:42] And then if I may also offer the Senate resolution speaks to engagement throughout the Senate, including

[4:30:49] Voice 5: the Islands Trust inherently involved with the Trust Committee.

[4:30:59] Voice 5: right

[4:30:59] Voice 8: there yeah lta okay

[4:31:02] Voice 5: sugar might seem to be taking notes

[4:31:07] Voice 4: um so i guess it's the beginning part there so it's looking at recommendation number two so it's

[4:31:13] Voice 4: just to get

[4:31:14] Voice 8: a bit of the salt

[4:31:14] Voice 4: spring island local trust committee um in i think we should so we say

[4:31:20] Voice 4: in consideration of the islands trust object yeah section b is the section 23 of violence trust act

[4:31:32] Voice 4: um whatever the reference is should we

[4:31:36] Voice 13: take a minute to find that so it's actually good

[4:31:38] Voice 13: section three

[4:31:40] Voice 4: of the answers act

[4:31:43] Voice 5: consideration of section the object

[4:31:47] Voice 5: in

[4:31:55] Voice 13: consideration of the object

[4:31:56] Voice 13: or just section

[4:31:59] Voice 5: three yeah

[4:32:05] Voice 5: that

[4:32:06] Voice 4: further consultation be conducted throughout the Saanich Inlet and local trust

[4:32:16] Voice 4: area throughout

[4:32:21] Voice 13: Salt

[4:32:23] Voice 4: Spring local trust area okay

[4:32:26] Voice 13: uh that further consultation be conducted

[4:32:29] Voice 13: throughout the Saanich Inlet and

[4:32:31] Voice 8: the Salt Spring local trust area

[4:32:39] Voice 6: there

[4:32:42] Voice 5: you go potential

[4:32:49] Voice 5: show longer term environmental impacts that are understood and mitigated

[4:33:25] Voice 6: these days this is off

[4:33:29] Voice 5: to the extent this one really

[4:33:35] Voice 6: actually downloaded

[4:33:39] Voice 5: a copy last night i've also got it here it sounds

[4:33:44] Voice 5: like you guys figure that out where we are and then it's on page 24 and

[4:33:49] Voice 6: then i control page 24.

[4:34:14] Voice 5: well for sure and i actually really appreciate that especially chairing having a paper

[4:34:20] Voice 5: yeah i'll

[4:34:29] Voice 13: read back what i have

[4:34:30] Voice 13: that the south spring island local trust committee received crown meets

[4:34:39] Voice 13: malahat nation dba zero seven one six nine two zero

[4:34:43] Voice 13: and direct staff to respond to the referral indicating that in consideration of section

[4:34:54] Voice 13: of the Islands Trust Act, that further consideration be conducted throughout the Saanich Inlet

[4:35:00] Voice 13: and the

[4:35:01] Voice 13: Salisbury Mound Local Trust Area, and that potential longer-term environmental

[4:35:05] Voice 13: impacts be better understood and litigated before any permits are considered.

[4:35:11] Voice 13: It's just a consultation.

[4:35:13] Voice 5: Consultation, not further consultation.

[4:35:15] Voice 4: Further consultation be conducted.

[4:35:20] Voice 4: You

[4:35:20] Voice 5: said consideration, but you may have just read that.

[4:35:22] Voice 13: And that further consultation be conducted.

[4:35:34] Voice 4: that was in the beginning that's what maybe you could read that one more time from the that

[4:35:40] Voice 4: from or whatever after all the numbers

[4:35:44] Voice 13: okay and direct staff to respond to the referral

[4:35:47] Voice 13: indicating that in consideration of section three of the islands trust act that further public

[4:35:53] Voice 13: public consultation be conducted

[4:35:54] Voice 13: throughout the Santa Ginland

[4:35:56] Voice 13: and the Salisbury-Hanlon Local Trust Area

[4:35:58] Voice 13: and that potential long-distance environmental impacts

[4:36:01] Voice 13: be better understood and mitigated

[4:36:03] Voice 13: before any permits are considered.

[4:36:05] Voice 12: Sounds good.

[4:36:06] Voice 12: So that is moved and seconded.

[4:36:10] Voice 12: Any further discussion?

[4:36:12] Voice 12: All those in favor?

[4:36:14] Voice 12: Excellent, that carries, no opposed.

[4:36:18] Voice 12: And that brings us to page 114,

[4:36:23] Voice 12: Section 9.16, we

[4:36:27] Voice 5: have a staff report, and I was

[4:36:40] Voice 12: just going to suggest, trustees, how

[4:36:43] Voice 12: do you feel about taking a short break, five,

[4:36:50] Voice 5: ten minutes, staff, would you like a break?

[4:36:53] Voice 5: No, you want to work forever, right?

[4:36:56] Voice 12: let's come back here at uh let's take a break till 2 15. yeah let's do that recess till 2 15.

[4:37:12] Voice 8: that's why i want more frequent meetings

[4:37:15] Voice 15: i think when shorter meetings right

[4:37:18] Voice 6: Right.

[4:37:30] Voice 5: There's the revise and there's the.

[4:37:34] Voice 5: The website is.

[4:37:36] Voice 5: Right.

[4:37:37] Voice 5: Welcome aboard.

[4:37:37] Voice 5: Thank you.

[4:37:38] Voice 5: Thank you.

[4:37:41] Voice 5: This is my first LTC meeting that I've run, but I have.

[4:37:47] Voice 8: From recess and we'll reopen the meeting.

[4:47:25] Voice 5: section 9.16 status of salt spring local trust committee projects and rezoning applications

[4:47:33] Voice 5: on page 114 i'll note that we're here working on the uh the

[4:47:43] Voice 12: uh agenda the addendum of the agendas

[4:47:48] Voice 12: for anyone that's following online there's items that aren't appearing on the regular

[4:47:53] Voice 5: agenda they

[4:47:54] Voice 5: will be appearing in the addendum and so we do have a staff report uh in front of us and

[4:48:05] Voice 5: planning manager hutton would you like to speak to this report

[4:48:08] Voice 5: sure um so this is just something we've been doing throughout the um

[4:48:15] Voice 5: um we're essentially just providing you a bit of a rundown on

[4:48:20] Voice 15: um the active extraordinary project

[4:48:23] Voice 15: that we have here at Salt Spring Island as well as active

[4:48:26] Voice 5: major and minor projects that we have

[4:48:29] Voice 5: ongoing potential future projects and then some initiatives that come out of the regional planning

[4:48:36] Voice 5: committee strategic initiatives we also have just some reference to a

[4:48:45] Voice 15: newly adopted policy

[4:48:46] Voice 15: plus trust council policy 6.2.1 indicating the Salt Spring Island local trust committee can now

[4:48:52] Voice 15: have a maximum of three active projects at a time

[4:48:54] Voice 5: in addition any major projects uh funded through

[4:48:58] Voice 5: a business case approved by uh trust council projects should not compose several new projects

[4:49:05] Voice 5: unless implemented within an ocp or lub review those are the boundaries that we have going

[4:49:13] Voice 5: forward so this is really just a preview to uh to ask you to start to think about uh look at

[4:49:19] Voice 5: what we've gotten to work with right now what do we want to keep going forward um we have some

[4:49:23] Voice 5: administrative bylaws that continue to come fairly straightforward and don't really have much impact

[4:49:29] Voice 5: on our our planning staff capacity and our admins just sort of get them in the low

[4:49:34] Voice 15: points uh they're

[4:49:35] Voice 15: good at sniffing out work to do so uh then we have uh just a handful of rezoning applications going

[4:49:41] Voice 15: on here uh that are uh in in queue uh there's actually

[4:49:45] Voice 5: one that's not on here uh maybe uh

[4:49:49] Voice 5: we talked about earlier for the lower ganges uh the tup renewal so that that we don't you

[4:49:56] Voice 5: know should also be on this list if it's not already just just a list of a lot of the uh

[4:50:06] Voice 5: the

[4:50:07] Voice 15: reports that we reviewed at the beginning of this meeting that are provided for public

[4:50:10] Voice 15: information are just summarized here um

[4:50:13] Voice 5: the recommendation is that um the salt spring island

[4:50:18] Voice 15: local trust committee direct staff to schedule a special meeting uh the salt spring island local

[4:50:22] Voice 15: trust committee in january to discuss strategic initiative and provide direction uh on the work

[4:50:29] Voice 5: plan uh discussed in this report um i would suggest that this i know that we've moved a

[4:50:36] Voice 5: a regular meeting into January

[4:50:39] Voice 5: through the scheduled item earlier in the agenda.

[4:50:44] Voice 5: However, I would suggest the earlier repeated meeting

[4:50:47] Voice 5: just to not have too much of an agenda

[4:50:49] Voice 5: and discuss these items and others

[4:50:52] Voice 5: to give you the time and space to do that.

[4:50:55] Voice 5: It's a general statement

[4:50:57] Voice 5: just to have us book this in January 23

[4:50:59] Voice 5: if you do want to have the flexibility

[4:51:01] Voice 5: to book it in a way that works for everybody

[4:51:04] Voice 5: and venues in particular.

[4:51:08] Voice 5: okay trustees comments questions

[4:51:11] Voice 12: trustee patrick um

[4:51:12] Voice 4: well i know i concur that we need we need to

[4:51:14] Voice 4: have some good fresh-minded time to discuss these things um but um i also don't want to lose i don't

[4:51:25] Voice 4: want to lose momentum on the accessory dwelling units and that you know we back in september the

[4:51:31] Voice 4: local trust committee requested a number of items be looked at as to how to progress that forward

[4:51:38] Voice 4: outside of not not requiring ocp uh amendment um so it'd be nice to get some of that material back

[4:51:46] Voice 4: by january that's probably what has been done to help help make that you know decision on what to

[4:51:54] Voice 4: do with the accessibility sure

[4:51:55] Voice 5: just uh i understand mr chair some kind of update on um what's commonly

[4:52:02] Voice 5: we referred to a file at 5 30 regarding 80 years um and where we're at with that project yeah an

[4:52:09] Voice 4: update there was a number of specific requests made by the trust committee in september to

[4:52:14] Voice 4: address some of the issues that had been um identified hopefully hopefully with

[4:52:24] Voice 4: the expectation that we were going to find a path forward that did not require an amendment

[4:52:28] Voice 4: HAB-Masyn Moyer- yeah amendment.

[4:52:30] Voice 4: HAB-Masyn Moyer- So I hope that we have some update on the possibilities of that.

[4:52:36] Voice 5: HAB-Michael Leccese, We can we can provide a bit of an update on that.

[4:52:38] Voice 5: HAB-Michael Leccese, I think we would we would have more in depth updates on something to this list.

[4:52:47] Voice 5: HAB-Masyn Moyer- yeah and I can point there's a couple of words here and there, but I can be happy to.

[4:52:54] Voice 8: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Now.

[4:52:59] Voice 8: HAB-Masyn Moyer- identify with some just comments, I have a couple of items.

[4:53:04] Voice 8: HAB-Michael Leccese, recommendation.

[4:53:17] Voice 8: so

[4:53:17] Voice 4: a special meeting is

[4:53:18] Voice 8: what's being proposed are

[4:53:19] Voice 4: we saying a special meeting or deal with

[4:53:21] Voice 4: it in the january 26th meeting that that i sorry what's

[4:53:25] Voice 5: just that it that you meet earlier in

[4:53:29] Voice 5: january to discuss and make it a bit of an exclusive of uh of other regulatory a little

[4:53:38] Voice 5: more focused yeah and i'll just uh mention that in terms of scheduling that i'm um again i don't have

[4:53:48] Voice 5: my entire uh schedule in front of me so uh i'm certainly open to that possibility

[4:53:55] Voice 12: uh and depending

[4:53:56] Voice 5: on what the dates we might come up with it may be logistically difficult to attend in person

[4:54:04] Voice 5: so is that something where we could like what if we were to get together with a special

[4:54:09] Voice 12: well now see as far as the special meaning goes like if i'm not able to like to travel and be here

[4:54:17] Voice 12: yeah what the procedure would be is

[4:54:20] Voice 5: that um one of the persons in in person would be the acting

[4:54:25] Voice 5: chair for that meeting and i would still participate um electronically either you or

[4:54:31] Voice 5: laura would act as chair for that meeting is that correct in the salt spring meeting procedures by

[4:54:38] Voice 5: law yes

[4:54:40] Voice 9: so

[4:54:40] Voice 5: so that's just i'm just pointing out that that so we're scheduling for me is scheduling

[4:54:47] Voice 5: like another in-person meeting in january may be challenging um i can certainly

[4:54:52] Voice 5: find a day to

[4:54:53] Voice 5: attend i see this is a working

[4:54:55] Voice 4: working session man would i like a

[4:54:57] Voice 5: whiteboard yeah i think that'd be

[4:55:01] Voice 5: fun i don't know if we have one at the school actually seen some really neat uh online yeah

[4:55:08] Voice 12: i don't

[4:55:09] Voice 12: know how i don't know how to do those but i i've participated in them with avicc yeah

[4:55:15] Voice 5: yeah so is

[4:55:18] Voice 5: this something where we could be putting some ideas together that bring them

[4:55:22] Voice 5: at the regular meeting oh and then to move to pass this is just an absolute working session

[4:55:30] Voice 5: then we'd go to the uh a regular meeting with direction yeah if i may uh i i earlier on when

[4:55:47] Voice 5: we adopted the regular schedule there was an issue for january 27th that's right yeah um yeah so i

[4:55:53] Voice 5: have i have a note of that yeah i i as i mentioned earlier i am a bit skeptical that there would be

[4:55:59] Voice 5: would have much in terms of regular issues in a january meeting um fairly limited well if we're

[4:56:07] Voice 5: going to have a special meeting why don't we do one in january at some point we'll figure that

[4:56:12] Voice 5: i would then go back to the february the february date that was suggested we

[4:56:18] Voice 8: can't do that

[4:56:21] Voice 5: whatever

[4:56:21] Voice 4: the february meeting anyway yeah

[4:56:24] Voice 12: well let's let's do this and then and then let's

[4:56:28] Voice 12: finish this section that we're on and then i

[4:56:31] Voice 5: would say that we could go back and revisit

[4:56:33] Voice 5: so do we want to move this yeah we have a special meeting do we need to come up with a date for that

[4:56:41] Voice 5: right now or is that no no staff's gonna come up with some hate toss them around

[4:56:46] Voice 5: okay so

[4:56:57] Voice 12: someone prepared to make the motion sure i'll

[4:57:01] Voice 4: move that trust committee direct staff to

[4:57:03] Voice 4: schedule a special meeting of the salt spring island local trust committee in january to

[4:57:07] Voice 4: discuss strategic initiatives provide direction and work program provide direction of the work

[4:57:16] Voice 4: program discussed as a regional planning manager report dated december 13 2022. uh

[4:57:25] Voice 5: second moved

[4:57:25] Voice 5: and seconded any further discussion not seeing any all those in favor and opposed motions carry

[4:57:36] Voice 5: okay and that brings us on to 9.7.1 uh page 120 which is the graph 2023-24 budget changes

[4:57:49] Voice 5: directed by financial planning committee and

[4:57:55] Voice 8: have

[4:57:59] Voice 5: some recommendations there and

[4:58:03] Voice 5: planning manager would you like to this is um this is something we uh sort of took advantage

[4:58:10] Voice 5: of an opportunity here to assist before the lpc um as you may be aware uh financial planning

[4:58:17] Voice 5: committee has uh directed some reductions for the regional planning committee to consider

[4:58:23] Voice 5: in the local trust county the local trust project budget so we have gone through the approved

[4:58:32] Voice 5: business cases uh that local trust committee uh approved back in august made some suggestions

[4:58:41] Voice 5: around how we can possibly streamline these uh these approvals and cases uh to sort of amend

[4:58:48] Voice 5: the budget um this is the overall recommendation um is to remove the the technical analysis that

[4:58:59] Voice 5: was originally approved in the business cases um and remove the support services and define

[4:59:04] Voice 5: first nations engagement expenses uh over the two projects uh plus to save on cost of it as well as

[4:59:14] Voice 5: possibly prioritize uh that budget division and where it's needed uh either across varying

[4:59:22] Voice 5: for patients and across projects to respond to that these changes are one of our best at this

[4:59:31] Voice 5: point uh outlines how business cases are typically produced uh and this is not um

[4:59:42] Voice 5: these

[4:59:43] Voice 15: are sort of fairly

[4:59:44] Voice 15: secure in proceeding with for uh

[5:00:00] Voice 8: Patrick?

[5:00:01] Voice 8: Yes.

[5:00:03] Voice 5: Business cases, the way they're developed now,

[5:00:13] Voice 4: again, we've looked at every municipality.

[5:00:15] Voice 4: Because every municipality in the Saanich Peninsula did their OCP last term, as well as Cowichan Valley.

[5:00:20] Voice 4: And all of them produced detailed work plans prior to the financial decision to support it or not.

[5:00:27] Voice 8: The work

[5:00:28] Voice 4: plan included the financial management for doing an OCP review.

[5:00:33] Voice 4: view and detailed technical analysis is a major component of you know of doing an OCP review we

[5:00:43] Voice 4: had an OCP that was done in 2008 we haven't even you know it had some good intentions but what

[5:00:48] Voice 4: happened that has to be looked at you know we know it didn't mean that's that to me is technical

[5:00:53] Voice 4: analysis to to analyze the data look at it and you know what was intended versus what happened

[5:00:59] Voice 4: um and what and then to look into the future and predict what's what's coming um and we have to

[5:01:06] Voice 4: to me that's a critical aspect of doing an OCP review I also don't think as a community that

[5:01:12] Voice 4: we're we're really ready to dive into an OCP review I think there's a lot of foundation

[5:01:19] Voice 4: building that needs to occur to maybe

[5:01:24] Voice 4: find out that we don't need to do a full OCP review maybe

[5:01:27] Voice 4: Maybe it's a strategic surgery on the LCP

[5:01:32] Voice 4: rather

[5:01:34] Voice 5: than a wholesale redo.

[5:01:37] Voice 5: Yeah, that makes sense.

[5:01:38] Voice 5: The housing section of the LCP, right?

[5:01:40] Voice 5: Possibly, yeah.

[5:01:41] Voice 5: And

[5:01:41] Voice 4: so I do find that we're at this macro level

[5:01:46] Voice 4: of trying to make decisions.

[5:01:48] Voice 4: And I also look at,

[5:01:49] Voice 4: we're a community of 12,000 people.

[5:01:52] Voice 4: We contribute a very significant tax influx

[5:01:59] Voice 4: HAB-Masyn Moyer- For a land use planning organization and it's like what is the reasonable amount of money to be spending future planning.

[5:02:11] Voice 8: HAB-Masyn Moyer- And yes,

[5:02:13] Voice 4: trust Council is trying to have us in, but I think we have to bark sometimes to okay if that is a committee send a message back saying this is this is difficult um so yeah it's been frustrating, I have to say.

[5:02:30] Voice 4: HAB-Masyn Moyer-

[5:02:31] Voice 5: Very supportive staff.

[5:02:32] Voice 5: or the trust council trying to have us well

[5:02:35] Voice 4: i don't i don't mean that but i meant for salt

[5:02:37] Voice 5: spring um it's well salt spring as well we need to focus on some some real issues here not you

[5:02:44] Voice 5: know go into directions where we clearly don't need to be going well

[5:02:49] Voice 4: this is focus i'm talking

[5:02:51] Voice 4: about money to do the projects that we do and do them as we can um and i and i don't feel we

[5:03:00] Voice 4: have the data in front of us to make intelligent decisions on how much do we need for next year

[5:03:09] Voice 4: i i don't feel we have the information i'd like to i know you've been through some recent ocp

[5:03:15] Voice 4: reviews and so forth and i've been now on salt spring is there any staff advice on what you're

[5:03:22] Voice 4: seeing is you

[5:03:24] Voice 5: know i i think that what we've what we've provided in the recommendation um

[5:03:30] Voice 5: um recognition of a problem readiness and working with what resources may be made available to us

[5:03:37] Voice 5: um one of the things that i certainly see is um in my in my queue of it uh the original

[5:03:45] Voice 5: business case back in august spoke not necessarily to a comprehensive review but

[5:03:51] Voice 5: but to a number of projects that we have right now,

[5:03:58] mainly housing,

[5:04:00] Voice 5: the CDF project into the OCP,

[5:04:06] Voice 5: the required OCP amendment,

[5:04:07] Voice 5: but there's some work to be done on by-law 530.

[5:04:10] Voice 5: That was kind of the scope of that OCP amendment, right?

[5:04:15] Voice 5: We've acknowledged that, I think,

[5:04:17] Voice 5: you know, what we've talked about today,

[5:04:20] Voice 5: there are a number of key policy areas

[5:04:22] Voice 5: where we don't have enough information in the relationship

[5:04:27] Voice 5: from that way to move forward

[5:04:31] Voice 5: and that involves both improving locations

[5:04:37] Voice 5: as well as just improving our overall project readiness,

[5:04:43] Voice 5: our understanding of our water systems.

[5:04:45] Voice 5: Those are key informants to a comprehensive review.

[5:04:49] Voice 5: Now, the recommendation

[5:04:53] Voice 15: to be more strategic

[5:04:56] Voice 15: as well as reactive it's really hard for us to um predict and regret

[5:05:02] Voice 5: how far we need to go

[5:05:04] Voice 5: if we want to do it in a specific way right um providing some budget this year to help to build

[5:05:10] Voice 5: that relationship is helpful what we do

[5:05:12] Voice 16: have in hand right

[5:05:13] Voice 5: now uh and what does need to work uh

[5:05:15] Voice 5: on the on the preparation front is um the way that is what we've got with this again

[5:05:21] Voice 5: Ganges Village area plan.

[5:05:24] Voice 5: The community has given

[5:05:25] Voice 5: a

[5:05:25] Voice 15: lot of effort

[5:05:27] Voice 15: to this project

[5:05:29] and we have a very

[5:05:31] current output for that

[5:05:33] so

[5:05:33] Voice 5: the

[5:05:35] Voice 5: ability to advance that project

[5:05:37] Voice 5: is not, there's no

[5:05:39] Voice 5: recommendation for that business

[5:05:41] Voice 5: space because it is something that

[5:05:43] Voice 5: we can realistically achieve in a

[5:05:45] Voice 5: fairly short amount of time.

[5:05:49] Voice 5: And that is a really great local area

[5:05:51] Voice 5: plan and agree with it start the conversation and awareness around what what should community

[5:05:57] Voice 5: buildings look like and expand that area patrick well i know in ganji's village

[5:06:07] Voice 4: i mean but

[5:06:08] Voice 4: we have a water moratorium so are we developing a area plan that just says no water no future

[5:06:17] Voice 4: or or should we be putting our emphasis in helping resolve infrastructure questions for

[5:06:24] Voice 4: or an area that didn't know

[5:06:28] Voice 4: that we can have an area plan for.

[5:06:31] Voice 4: It just seems we're not ready,

[5:06:34] Voice 4: even though we've got lots of public input,

[5:06:36] Voice 4: there's no question the public wanna see something done

[5:06:38] Voice 4: in Ganges.

[5:06:42] Voice 5: How feasible is it?

[5:06:43] Voice 4: Yeah, if we have a water moratorium and sewer system.

[5:06:46] Voice 5: Or an ALR.

[5:06:47] Voice 5: An

[5:06:48] Voice 4: ALR having us in.

[5:06:49] Voice 4: So we're not ready perhaps to address some of the real,

[5:06:53] Voice 4: so we'll be focusing on the impediments to a future of dmgs then creating an area plan

[5:07:02] Voice 4: for a

[5:07:04] Voice 5: pending future but i'm just like i hear what you're saying we're clearly going to need to

[5:07:14] Voice 5: focus on the housing section of the ocp at some point and put that forward and we're going to

[5:07:21] Voice 5: need to do some added zoning to certain

[5:07:24] Voice 7: zoning types in order to address the workforce housing

[5:07:29] Voice 7: crisis that's what people want and so how much money do we need to do that and i'm just trying

[5:07:36] Voice 7: to understand this here so what this is suggesting is that i need to help understanding us so

[5:07:46] Voice 7: the recommendation is that we we go against what the financial planning committee has suggested

[5:07:52] Voice 7: it for us and say we want more is that what this is saying no

[5:07:55] Voice 8: we're

[5:07:56] Voice 5: responding to a financial

[5:07:57] Voice 5: planning committee has directed ought to the budget for salt spring and they directed that

[5:08:02] Voice 5: to be 250 000 it takes us from our current 313 000 total to a between 201 and 141 okay yeah so

[5:08:17] Voice 5: So the 131 less rocks my lane.

[5:08:22] Voice 15: So the alternatives to the recommendation is to say make no changes and go with what they've said?

[5:08:29] Voice 4: No, this is, so the history here, which would help you, I'm sorry, we jumped into it without backing up.

[5:08:36] Voice 4: These two business cases were brought to the former local trust committee.

[5:08:41] Voice 4: um the first one uh we added the technical 100 000 dollars for technical analysis because we

[5:08:48] Voice 4: thought no matter what you do in the ocp we needed some some money um and and staff agreed with us

[5:08:54] Voice 4: thanked us for adding that that money uh to the uh uh to the budget case the ganges village one

[5:09:06] Voice 4: we were reluctant we passed it on we were encouraged to pass it on but we also passed

[5:09:11] Voice 4: a motion saying you've got to go talk to the province about uh funding joint planning because

[5:09:18] Voice 4: we had first nation's interest in ganges a joint planning exercise and we said well we needed

[5:09:24] Voice 4: provincial money to make that happen um to make a true joint plan okay

[5:09:33] Voice 15: okay so the recommendation

[5:09:35] Voice 15: The recommendation here is to trim that

[5:09:39] Voice 15: and by taking out to get us down to 201 to 141,000.

[5:09:47] Voice 15: Okay.

[5:09:50] Voice 7: Well, that would really force us to focus on priorities and help us, you know, at the EC level to do just that

[5:10:00] Voice 5: and to make some changes

[5:10:03] Voice 17: and focus our priorities.

[5:10:06] Voice 17: Well,

[5:10:07] Voice 4: I don't disagree, but I want to make sure we're not giving away money that we need to get the work done.

[5:10:15] Voice 5: There's clearly a lot of things that I have huge trouble with

[5:10:20] Voice 7: as far as where money is being spent.

[5:10:24] Voice 7: The public has huge issues with.

[5:10:27] Voice 7: We're seeing studies and alliances and associations and committees going on and on and on.

[5:10:34] Voice 7: and meanwhile we've got the workforce housing crisis is getting worse and worse again jesus

[5:10:39] Voice 7: turning you know into i don't even want to say what um so i i kind of support i support this

[5:10:47] Voice 7: as i see it here if it's getting us down to a lower amount that would force us to focus

[5:10:57] Voice 7: our priorities maybe it's our own fault for not doing that in the past and um that's why we're

[5:11:04] Voice 7: in the you know the mess we've got going on now is it's why we're there possibly just thoughts

[5:11:11] Voice 7: well

[5:11:11] Voice 4: i i i absolutely don't disagree but we we have to invest in bringing the community along

[5:11:19] Voice 8: and

[5:11:20] Voice 4: communications materials i love 530s primarily it created a division because of the lack of

[5:11:32] Voice 4: communication

[5:11:33] Voice 15: 530 is great i support that how can we get that moving what do we got to do to get

[5:11:38] Voice 15: that to

[5:11:40] Voice 5: the point where we can say all in favor but what do we need to do to get the work to be

[5:11:46] Voice 5: done there first but well the advice is that we need to um we do need to amend the ocp um and

[5:11:54] Voice 5: there is some other work that we need to do but does the whole ocp have to be amended there i

[5:11:59] Voice 5: don't well before we change by

[5:12:01] Voice 4: law 530 so that we don't need to amend them let's not let's not get

[5:12:06] Voice 4: into the arguments of the os i think there's some there's some yeah

[5:12:09] Voice 5: the ltc

[5:12:10] Voice 4: hasn't had a chance to

[5:12:12] Voice 4: have a discussion and yeah

[5:12:14] Voice 5: and i think i was just going to say when we get when we get into the

[5:12:17] Voice 5: special meeting we're looking more at sort of what our strategic priorities are that's a good place

[5:12:22] Voice 5: for us to have that kind of discussion i'm in support of this recommendation honestly at this

[5:12:26] Voice 5: point well um if there is a recommendation there if you want to move it we can have that on the

[5:12:33] Voice 5: the table and go from there yes i

[5:12:36] Voice 4: mean i i understand can can we have a what i want to

[5:12:44] Voice 4: look at from staff is that okay if the budget's going down that we still have the flexibility

[5:12:48] Voice 4: as these projects get you know there's no work plan we have a business case that's got some

[5:12:54] Voice 4: high aspirational bullet items as the work plan gets developed to do this work

[5:13:00] Voice 4: that the money can be shifted so it's shifted to the areas that it's needed instead of having zero

[5:13:08] Voice 4: um you know dollars on that maybe have a whole year that will do zero technical analysis on

[5:13:14] Voice 4: this island well

[5:13:15] Voice 7: there's been some serious projects that are ongoing that are serious

[5:13:18] Voice 7: kickback and it brought us nowhere nothing but cause division the cdf project for one

[5:13:23] Voice 7: what are we even meddling with the

[5:13:26] Voice 4: name of that one should really be called wildfire

[5:13:28] Voice 4: resiliency well

[5:13:29] Voice 15: same thing wildfire resiliency and yet somebody i believe

[5:13:33] Voice 5: in the name of the chair

[5:13:35] Voice 5: yes sir

[5:13:35] Voice 5: i'll just point out the original proposal from uh from planet garbo uh did suggest um

[5:13:43] Voice 5: bringing items like cdf and how we need to an ocp so i kind of um snarkily told our director

[5:13:49] Voice 5: earlier this week that we'll we'll rename that as item two uh the second objective in the ocp

[5:13:55] Voice 5: plot project charter as we get going if we go forward with this recommendation it just gets

[5:14:01] Voice 5: rolled into the ocp in the form of a probably a wildfire hazard protection in the basement

[5:14:06] Voice 5: welfare protection uh is likely the proposal there so the report does also note though that

[5:14:13] Voice 5: um it is somewhat based on flannery garbo's suggested alternatives uh in the ocp business

[5:14:20] Voice 5: this case um uh well plan agar what an excellent uh budgeting outline on on the on the recommended

[5:14:26] Voice 5: action if we don't put this all

[5:14:28] Voice 9: through

[5:14:30] Voice 5: all the time so um there will be some work planning

[5:14:33] Voice 5: required in order to advance these projects um that is something we'll have to do a little bit

[5:14:39] Voice 5: of extra work at this table to outline you know in a in a decreased budget and an increase in cost

[5:14:45] Voice 5: environment. How are we going to bring a deliverable on these projects that will achieve that will meet the budget schedule that we're setting up there.

[5:14:58] Voice 5: It is still quite a bit to achieve in one fiscal year, and it may involve realizing that in the following fiscal year additional work to be done.

[5:15:07] Voice 5: it yeah and

[5:15:09] Voice 4: and that's why not one local municipality would approve an ocp review

[5:15:14] Voice 4: without a full plan it's multi-year clearly it's we're not going to do it we will not do it a year

[5:15:21] Voice 4: and no and

[5:15:22] Voice 4: our systems don't look at a multi-year planning which is

[5:15:25] Voice 4: that's kind

[5:15:27] Voice 5: of a fundamental question even at trust council level at this point

[5:15:35] Voice 5: it's not something we're going to fix today

[5:15:41] Voice 5: so in in interest of advancing today's agenda as there's someone prepared to make the recommended

[5:15:51] Voice 5: motion at this point

[5:15:55] Voice 4: i'll make the motion and i can't wait to be on regional planning

[5:16:00] Voice 4: because this has got to change this is this is just not conducive to good proactive planning

[5:16:07] Voice 4: in a community of this size i'll move that salt spring island local trust committee provide the

[5:16:14] Voice 4: following recommendations to the regional planning committee regarding salt spring island local trust

[5:16:18] Voice 4: committee project business cases as endorsed on august 9th 2022 salt spring island the salt

[5:16:26] Voice 4: South Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct staff

[5:16:28] Voice 4: to revise the business cases as follow.

[5:16:30] Voice 4: Move the technical analysis for the OCP and land use bylaw.

[5:16:35] Voice 4: Remove support services

[5:16:37] Voice 4: and to combine the First Nations engagement expenses.

[5:16:43] Voice 5: Second.

[5:16:46] Voice 5: Any further discussion on the motion?

[5:16:48] Voice 12: Trustee Patrick.

[5:16:49] Voice 4: Well, I just, I mean,

[5:16:50] Voice 4: to say remove any technical analysis of an OCP

[5:16:53] Voice 4: that's

[5:16:54] Voice 5: out of my lips at first.

[5:16:55] Voice 5: This is, I

[5:16:59] Voice 4: think I would support this motion

[5:17:01] Voice 4: only

[5:17:01] Voice 5: under the expectation that we be

[5:17:04] Voice 4: prepared to shift the budget around to do any needed analysis

[5:17:11] Voice 5: but i uh we voted on it but i i

[5:17:15] Voice 15: will clarify um we we

[5:17:18] Voice 15: should not be moving one budget to another

[5:17:20] Voice 15: we have combined uh one item

[5:17:23] Voice 5: that is common across the projects um into one item which

[5:17:27] Voice 5: allows us to be more flexible with that funding as needed um and that'll be under an engagement

[5:17:33] Voice 5: plan that we'll discuss certainly we'll certainly seek the endorsement with the lpc um to do that

[5:17:39] Voice 5: um and to some extent technical analysis is certainly a part of any project plan but this

[5:17:46] Voice 5: is something that would uh i think it's it's duly noted um

[5:17:49] Voice 5: there's an expectation that uh not only

[5:17:53] Voice 5: are our plans of high quality and uh reflecting doing values but also implementable and um

[5:18:00] Voice 5: Mayor

[5:18:04] Voice 8: Mrakas, I hear what you're saying

[5:18:05] Voice 5: about having a shuffle in able to funds around takes away from certain projects and add to the others into focus of priorities clear stuff that makes such a broad view for things will be clearly aren't needed.

[5:18:35] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, Patrick

[5:18:39] Voice 4: well wait taken, we have we're going to have a discussion about our priorities next month and we're deciding on the next month, and then we're going to move on to the next one.

[5:18:45] Voice 4: it's today it's

[5:18:46] Voice 5: the process it's just well crazy i'm sorry well why don't we refer to

[5:18:53] Voice 5: next to this because

[5:18:54] Voice 15: we have to because

[5:18:55] Voice 5: they're going to come this

[5:18:57] Voice 15: is this is really your

[5:18:58] Voice 15: opportunity to give

[5:19:00] Voice 5: your comment to the regional planning committee in response to what the

[5:19:04] Voice 5: financial planning committee is going to ask for so um i would also say that you know this

[5:19:12] Voice 5: This report outlines the business case development process that we go through.

[5:19:19] Voice 5: So talking about your strategic priorities

[5:19:22] Voice 15: in January is a great way for us to start talking about what needs to happen next.

[5:19:29] Voice 15: That's when we'll start looking at business cases for the year 2024-2025, starting

[5:19:33] Voice 5: in the spring-summer.

[5:19:34] Voice 5: that's when so that's that's the ideal schedule so that we're at this point we put our business

[5:19:40] Voice 5: cases to bed and then just going to the financial planning committee uh to be endorsed and budgeted

[5:19:45] Voice 5: for um this is this is way late these changes to business faces this should not be the situation

[5:19:51] Voice 5: but this is just unfortunately the situation um strategic planning is really looking ahead

[5:19:58] Voice 9: it for the

[5:19:59] Voice 5: following year before your commitment was signed on thank you for that uh anything

[5:20:08] Voice 5: further on this or shall i call the question all those in favor those

[5:20:15] Voice 8: motion carries uh

[5:20:17] Voice 8: recommendation number two further that further i move that um or we should probably make that

[5:20:28] Voice 8: on one option

[5:20:28] Voice 4: or oh

[5:20:31] Voice 5: i guess it's a i've looked at the salt spring island local trust committee

[5:20:38] Voice 4: request staff

[5:20:39] Voice 4: or direct staff to revise the business cases as necessary to meet

[5:20:43] Voice 4: these budgetary changes for consideration at the next salt spring island local trust

[5:20:48] Voice 5: committee oh

[5:20:49] Voice 5: so we're going to see the fact move the second second all right any further discussion all in

[5:21:00] Voice 5: favor opposed that carries

[5:21:03] Voice 12: okay trustees oh

[5:21:07] Voice 4: i did have one more yes um

[5:21:09] Voice 4: i did have one the motion i

[5:21:12] Voice 4: sent out yesterday

[5:21:13] Voice 5: it's not 9.18 no

[5:21:16] Voice 4: oh this is under this because i know i talked about that

[5:21:32] Voice 4: still i know we had discussed swipa some more this morning as i do it again um it's um um so

[5:21:42] Voice 4: So a work plan is generally generated through the,

[5:21:45] Voice 4: it's been a funky method of creating a work plan

[5:21:50] Voice 4: that does get appended to the public consultation

[5:21:53] Voice 4: and then the final agenda package for the March.

[5:21:58] Voice 4: And it's the work plan for SWPA.

[5:22:02] Voice 4: And I wanted to make this motion that

[5:22:05] Voice 8: we asked staff

[5:22:13] Voice 8: to create that work plan for the amendment,

[5:22:17] Voice 4: for the for the package so that it's a sort of a local trust committee focused uh work and i know

[5:22:25] Voice 4: um our consultant kirk stenchcomb has talked extensively with shannon about what that would

[5:22:31] Voice 4: look like um and so that was the purpose of this motion is to ask that this be a staff created work

[5:22:40] Voice 4: plan that gets appended to the um to the budget request for next year if it happens or not um

[5:22:52] Voice 4: rather than the swipa created work plan so it's allowing us to directing you to create

[5:22:59] Voice 4: our staff to create that plan that's the purpose of this i don't know who's spoken

[5:23:05] Voice 4: can occur so

[5:23:09] Voice 12: you said that motion to staff um

[5:23:12] Voice 4: i'll send that to you i did send it to staff i

[5:23:15] Voice 5: just didn't send it to sarah oh okay all right so that motion is coming on

[5:23:20] Voice 4: the screen

[5:23:21] Voice 5: is it

[5:23:51] Voice 5: uh

[5:23:52] Voice 5: no

[5:23:52] Voice 8: no

[5:23:53] Voice 5: the motion hasn't been read okay uh it doesn't need to be red

[5:23:56] Voice 5: she just no she's talking about it we're just hoping to get it um sarah

[5:24:04] Voice 5: sending it

[5:24:05] Voice 5: to sarah so

[5:24:06] Voice 9: that we can hear it

[5:24:06] Voice 9: but i

[5:24:14] Voice 8: saw that staff had

[5:24:16] Voice 5: uh oh sorry i have a question

[5:24:21] Voice 5: or

[5:24:29] Voice 7: would this motion be directing staff just to

[5:24:44] Voice 7: draft that work plan and

[5:24:58] Voice 5: also would would that work plan go to the sort of steering

[5:25:03] Voice 5: um

[5:25:08] Voice 8: i don't it the way i

[5:25:14] Voice 4: understood and i you know would encourage staff to speak with the consultant

[5:25:18] Voice 4: was that um you know that staff you know because we were trying to move towards staff being more

[5:25:24] Voice 4: actively involved in the in SWIFT so we're not certain where that's going to sit yet but it's

[5:25:31] Voice 4: to take take influence the work plan so that it's it's focusing on what um on the work that

[5:25:43] Voice 4: assists the particular items trust in in achieving the actions that will be in the uh the new

[5:25:50] Voice 4: strategic plan that's coming up yeah

[5:25:52] Voice 7: so through the chair the the work that's being done on sopa

[5:25:57] Voice 7: but that relates to the local trust committee has been projects that have been endorsed by local

[5:26:04] Voice 7: trust committee so uh the two ongoing projects right now are watershed uh strategy that

[5:26:13] Voice 7: is working on and then also the groundwater lakes monitoring program that had been running for the

[5:26:20] Voice 7: past four years or so so the watershed strategy project is going to come into conclusion

[5:26:30] Voice 7: that likely wouldn't be on the work plan unless there's recommendations from that project that

[5:26:36] Voice 7: then would be presented to the local trust committee and also there's been talks of the

[5:26:42] Voice 7: lakes and groundwater wells monitoring project with the capital regional district on how we're

[5:26:49] Voice 7: going to it's been a co-project anyway they they put the money for the lakes and i've been

[5:26:54] Voice 7: undertaking the work and so how that's going to move forward is going to be a discussion with

[5:27:01] Voice 7: the capitol regional district and that's likely an outcome from starting i'm encouraged for staff

[5:27:13] Voice 7: to to work on a work plan um but i believe there needs to be a decision point back to the ltc to

[5:27:21] Voice 7: consider what that point plan is going to be because indeed is a project of the local justice

[5:27:28] Voice 7: yeah well i think

[5:27:30] Voice 8: prevent that from coming um so that was anyway that was the

[5:27:43] Voice 4: suggestion and i think this would be a good good move rather than you know stupid could argue till

[5:27:51] Voice 4: ever you know about what a work plan is going to be

[5:27:53] Voice 8: or this gives you the opportunity to drive

[5:27:56] Voice 8: that work one it's the intent i'm happy to make the motion being

[5:28:04] Voice 4: debated please do

[5:28:05] Voice 8: um

[5:28:06] Voice 4: i move that

[5:28:07] Voice 4: the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff prepare a work plan to support

[5:28:12] Voice 4: the 2023-24 special status requisition that

[5:28:16] Voice 5: improves the alignment of activities currently

[5:28:18] Voice 5: done under island's trust for implementation related assisting functions that's recommended

[5:28:29] Voice 5: um island's trust salt spring island watershed stewardship

[5:28:32] Voice 4: and protection coordination situation

[5:28:34] Voice 4: and option options

[5:28:36] Voice 8: identification report that's a mouthful i'm

[5:28:41] Voice 5: not supporting this at all

[5:28:43] Voice 5: for some reason just just a second just procedurally okay now i would ask for a sector

[5:28:49] Voice 5: and no you're not going to second it and i'm going to second it because then it's on the table and

[5:28:55] Voice 5: then we can discuss it okay because if we don't no one seconds it then we're moving on so i'll

[5:28:59] Voice 5: second the motion discussion not in support of this whatsoever again wasting time resources

[5:29:10] Voice 5: we already have more salt spring monitors the lake lakes crb is also involved

[5:29:19] Voice 7: doing this for 2013 to what end what are the goals here it's

[5:29:28] Voice 5: clearly lots of water

[5:29:33] Voice 5: again what are the goals where is this taking us to a new developmental permit area

[5:29:39] Voice 5: we already have watershed protection riparians dpas already huge way bigger fish to fry

[5:29:54] Voice 5: can't be in support of this patrick

[5:30:00] Voice 4: i do have the notes that i had from kirk's suggested items that we would be doing

[5:30:05] Voice 4: this is regarding coordination coordinating all the agencies

[5:30:10] Voice 5: that have fingers

[5:30:10] Voice 4: in the pot

[5:30:12] Voice 4: one would be supporting the rainwater harvest outreach supporting the coordination of the

[5:30:18] Voice 4: groundwater and lake um monitoring project and so it's it's there are only two lakes being monitored

[5:30:25] Voice 4: but it's great it's it's uh water levels and all the other lakes and groundwater wells that we have

[5:30:31] Voice 4: on the island as well um and then supporting the governance and planning reform for sipa and um

[5:30:39] Voice 4: or for you know and um supporting the coordination of the watershed protection

[5:30:46] Voice 5: plan that's about to be done those are the points that kirk had recommended well maybe

[5:30:52] Voice 5: lake levels aren't um monitored on all the lakes but water quality or why ccrd and stole and

[5:31:03] Voice 5: pushing and less than like so

[5:31:06] Voice 6: i'm doing something but

[5:31:12] Voice 5: again i can't i can't support this people

[5:31:16] Voice 5: voted for the change yes um i i believe in the absence of this resolution

[5:31:30] Voice 7: that the work plan

[5:31:33] Voice 7: would then be left up to the steering committee to do and so that is not only trust the table with

[5:31:43] Voice 7: crd water purveyors and there's three groups on there um i think what this resolution would do

[5:31:52] would allow the local trust committee to to make the firm decisions

[5:31:57] Voice 7: on what this is and so

[5:32:00] Voice 7: So, although I think I'm not going to argue the merits of Sipo right now and the project's

[5:32:07] Voice 7: ongoing.

[5:32:10] Voice 7: I'm obviously a strong proponent for continuing on monitoring of the groundwater and lakes

[5:32:15] Voice 7: because that's essential to understanding how much water there is on the island.

[5:32:21] Voice 7: And staff would be proposing that that's in the work plan to continue on, whether or not

[5:32:26] Voice 7: it's a project of the Water Trust Committee and I continue on, or we coordinate the handing

[5:32:32] Voice 7: off of that project to the capital regional district that could be the essence of the work

[5:32:38] plan and so if the LDC

[5:32:40] Voice 7: wishes staff to do less with SWPA or or however the LDC sees SWPA

[5:32:49] Voice 7: working next year and how we use that coordination funds that would be a decision that we'll just

[5:32:55] Voice 7: committee if this resolution is passed right now as it stands it would just be the steering

[5:33:03] Voice 7: committee that would be drafting that work plan and then that would be and there would be no

[5:33:15] Voice 7: decision point for the ltc

[5:33:23] Voice 5: okay so yeah

[5:33:24] Voice 6: again i still

[5:33:25] Voice 7: can't support them getting the staff to do

[5:33:28] Voice 7: this this work

[5:33:29] Voice 5: i think the thought that um that we don't have enough water here is preposterous

[5:33:35] Voice 5: or not a wing that comes down use water catchment we could definitely focus our efforts more

[5:33:42] Voice 7: proactive instead of adding another layer of bureaucracy a coordinated bureaucratic

[5:33:50] Voice 5: okay so if i can uh mr shelva

[5:33:59] Voice 12: there so what i what i think i heard you saying is that

[5:34:02] Voice 12: the effect of this motion puts

[5:34:07] Voice 5: while while the current life of swipa um

[5:34:12] Voice 5: barring any renewal or anything else still still at at least march um that that this motion would

[5:34:19] Voice 5: put uh uh the work plan under the direction of the local trust committee rather than the steering

[5:34:28] Voice 5: committee of swipa is that correct yeah

[5:34:31] Voice 7: and and also to that extent staff will work on it

[5:34:35] Voice 7: internally likely with our consultant that we have on board right now and so there would be more of a

[5:34:42] Voice 7: staff direction uh rather than a kind of like a an engagement one with the steering committee

[5:34:49] Voice 7: and that would be presented to the ltc directly for comment and approval or not additions or

[5:35:02] Voice 7: retractions kind of gives that's

[5:35:11] Voice 5: what i thought it was great uh trustee yeah this

[5:35:13] Voice 4: was it was right

[5:35:14] Voice 4: this was recommended by um the consultant that

[5:35:17] Voice 5: wrote that report and just writing the uh

[5:35:20] Voice 5: a strategic plan for the watershed integrated watershed protection i see it as a terrible

[5:35:26] Voice 5: misuse of staff time any further discussion on the motion yeah i'm going to call the question

[5:35:42] Voice 5: then all in favor any opposed the motion carries and so that brings us to trustee or is it eight

[5:36:03] Voice 5: nine point yeah because it's one point nine point one point nine point one eight

[5:36:13] Voice 5: meaning there's plenty plenty left to be done we're

[5:36:16] Voice 4: not getting out of here

[5:36:16] Voice 4: um i don't think we have to get into a whole lot of detail on this item yet but i this was a chance

[5:36:24] Voice 4: for basically us to talk about um our public facing uh on the island it's

[5:36:32] Voice 4: It's communicating on this island is challenging on a good day at present, the ask salt spring program has us booked in for one day a month, and the challenges with that is one one trustee just chatting away is a difficult format so if we weren't to do that, what could we do.

[5:36:57] Voice 4: how what would be a better representative way at um of um being able to answer questions that the

[5:37:06] Voice 4: community has um i again i went out there and said well what do other municipalities do um some use

[5:37:13] Voice 4: a q a yes you have a public section you can ask anything but some use a formal q a system where

[5:37:22] Voice 4: people can submit questions we get them in the agenda package in advance we have time to think

[5:37:27] Voice 4: about it being on the fly we

[5:37:30] Voice 5: can answer those questions and then maintain a log where we you

[5:37:34] Voice 5: know we answer that question so that we don't have to answer the same question 16 times you know that

[5:37:40] Voice 4: we answer those questions so um yes there's a whole lot of issues of how do we generate those

[5:37:47] Voice 4: questions how do they get some of them brought into here but i just don't know if there's

[5:37:51] Voice 4: anything else any other ideas that how we can improve our

[5:37:55] Voice 4: be

[5:37:56] Voice 5: able to be a local trust committee

[5:37:59] Voice 5: answer to those questions rather than being trustee sitting there answering the questions

[5:38:06] Voice 5: it's a tough one but i'm with you i'm not interested in talking to ask folks so yeah so

[5:38:15] Voice 5: i mean it seems to me that we we discussed a little bit the possibility of having some special

[5:38:20] Voice 5: special meetings um you know in some evening sessions and perhaps that would be a good format

[5:38:29] Voice 5: to be a local trust committee and and to provide that opportunity for some questions and answers

[5:38:36] Voice 5: um with it with it basically having either an extended town hall or a town hall focused and

[5:38:42] Voice 5: maybe we get a little bit of other business done um and uh yeah like i said i'm i'm open to uh

[5:38:51] Voice 5: to try to make that work and and i think that uh you know within the within the schedule the

[5:38:57] Voice 5: way that i've got it planned out i i think that i i can be available um you know perhaps if not

[5:39:05] Voice 5: every month then let's say it you know at least every second month um sort of as as uh for an

[5:39:13] Voice 5: evening session the night

[5:39:14] Voice 5: the night before our regular trust committee meeting and uh

[5:39:17] Voice 5: i think that gives us the opportunity to um kind of explore if we if we can start doing

[5:39:25] Voice 5: that sort of thing then we can

[5:39:27] Voice 5: explore where that sort of leads us

[5:39:30] Voice 9: um

[5:39:31] Voice 5: i think that's that

[5:39:33] Voice 5: may be a good starting point for us to to to start with that and and and you know we can

[5:39:40] Voice 5: sort of assess as we go along whether we're getting the value and the kind of

[5:39:48] Voice 5: effect that we're looking for out of that format or whether we need to reconsider or something else

[5:39:53] Voice 5: but maybe between I think we could we should both go out and talk to sort of the groups that we

[5:40:00] Voice 5: talk to about how

[5:40:01] Voice 4: no matter what format we have was how do you get the interest

[5:40:09] Voice 4: there will always be somebody left out

[5:40:12] Voice 4: and it's like

[5:40:12] Voice 4: I'm trying to make

[5:40:14] Voice 4: sure that we're getting a broad

[5:40:16] Voice 4: access

[5:40:17] Voice 4: not just talking to the same

[5:40:20] Voice 5: group of people

[5:40:22] Voice 5: how

[5:40:22] Voice 4: do we make sure our ears are

[5:40:24] Voice 4: open to a broader and that we're doing it

[5:40:26] Voice 4: in a way that's easy for them

[5:40:27] Voice 4: as well you know do they have to come sit

[5:40:30] Voice 4: through a three hour meeting

[5:40:31] Voice 4: is there a way they can interact

[5:40:33] Voice 5: well

[5:40:34] Voice 15: I think if we

[5:40:34] Voice 7: schedule the town hall

[5:40:35] Voice 7: like you say for that part of the meeting

[5:40:37] Voice 7: to start in the evening and that'll address the asset issue

[5:40:41] Voice 5: it's simple it's not complicated

[5:40:46] Voice 5: shouldn't be difficult yeah

[5:40:48] Voice 12: i feel like this in terms of our efficiency as a local trust committee

[5:40:54] Voice 12: um you know if we schedule some of those times if we have a quiet night where we don't have a lot of

[5:41:00] Voice 12: folks come and talk to us we could maybe back away at a couple of the things the agenda items

[5:41:07] Voice 12: and maybe not have a huge uh you know as long of a meeting the next day

[5:41:12] Voice 5: we could even potential so

[5:41:14] Voice 5: you know as a location try and do some downstairs at the legion or something and then we could get

[5:41:18] Voice 5: quite a different view sir beer oh sorry well downstairs i don't know if that's possible or

[5:41:25] Voice 5: not but i have a separate meeting room downstairs that could be utilized and then for the patrons

[5:41:30] Voice 5: that are generally there it makes it easy for them to access the meeting and

[5:41:33] Voice 12: that i mean that's

[5:41:34] Voice 12: something i definitely take direction from from locals on because i i know there's lots of

[5:41:40] Voice 12: different potential venues we could meet up and if there's if even if moving that venue around on

[5:41:46] Voice 12: occasion um will make it more

[5:41:50] Voice 5: likely that we're going to hear from a broader cross-section then

[5:41:53] Voice 5: i'm certainly in support of that so

[5:41:56] Voice 4: what i would recommend is we go uh growl beat our friends

[5:42:00] Voice 4: some family over the next little bit to come up with some ideas because i think i i'm open to

[5:42:08] Voice 4: trying something and let's hear from people and talk to

[5:42:12] Voice 5: your talk to your friends and family

[5:42:13] Voice 5: community members take notes and let's discuss this further we're talking about breaking up the

[5:42:18] Voice 5: meeting schedule the town hall section yeah in an evening

[5:42:23] Voice 12: and then um and then and i mean

[5:42:28] Voice 12: i i'm just i'm

[5:42:29] Voice 5: sort of throwing ideas around here but i mean i'm opening

[5:42:32] Voice 5: open to the concept that the evening is essentially just town hall and question

[5:42:37] Voice 5: and answer but you know if we had it quieter i could do some other work but uh

[5:42:45] Voice 5: um sure i would suggest the motion to have us bring back some information possibility

[5:42:55] Voice 5: okay is

[5:42:58] Voice 8: that substantially different from the motion passed earlier

[5:43:03] Voice 5: yeah we can we can look at that um you passed a motion to adopt the regular meetings but we

[5:43:10] Voice 5: also

[5:43:10] Voice 4: passed another motion on something

[5:43:13] Voice 13: to request after explore options for meetings

[5:43:17] Voice 13: to be held later in the day and additional opportunities to increase public sure there

[5:43:21] Voice 5: we go

[5:43:21] Voice 15: is that good enough

[5:43:23] Voice 12: and then

[5:43:25] Voice 12: and then so hopefully you've taken a note that that i think

[5:43:28] Voice 12: i could be available like

[5:43:31] Voice 5: specifically on wednesday evenings would be particularly

[5:43:33] Voice 5: convenient in terms of not incurring more travel or that sort of thing just be here

[5:43:42] Voice 5: thank you for that

[5:43:45] Voice 5: so

[5:43:46] Voice 12: that concludes uh that section i believe now um before we go back to

[5:43:54] Voice 12: section 14.9 i just wanted to go back and revisit that revised meeting schedule which we changed

[5:44:05] Voice 12: february 9th to january 27th and that is apparently no better for trustee

[5:44:11] Voice 5: no i'm not available on the

[5:44:12] Voice 5: 27th either definitely not

[5:44:13] Voice 12: so what i would like to hear from you is some suggestions my uh sense

[5:44:23] Voice 12: is that if neither the 27th i mean if the 27th doesn't

[5:44:30] Voice 4: work and the

[5:44:31] Voice 12: 9th doesn't work

[5:44:32] Voice 4: 27th and

[5:44:33] Voice 4: the 9th 11th of february i'm not

[5:44:36] Voice 4: present here on the 27th i couldn't even do a zoom meeting

[5:44:40] Voice 12: okay could you do a a zoom meeting on the 9th that's what i was going to try to get at i mean

[5:44:47] Voice 4: i could potentially it's not you know great but um i guess what do we know is the wi-fi going to

[5:44:53] Voice 4: be effective on the at

[5:44:56] Voice 5: our new meeting the learning hub sure um yes we'll be using the

[5:45:03] Voice 5: learning hub which is sd64 they receive all their wi-fi from telus

[5:45:07] Voice 16: high-speed internet

[5:45:09] Voice 5: is required for the learning services provided in that building um so i hope so i can only say that

[5:45:18] Voice 5: that the meetings that are being held there

[5:45:22] Voice 5: with students in our fun places are occurring.

[5:45:28] Voice 5: People will be in the pudding once we attend the meeting.

[5:45:32] Voice 5: Right, so theoretically it should be

[5:45:35] Voice 5: as good as it gets here.

[5:45:38] Voice 5: Theoretically it should be as good as it gets.

[5:45:40] Voice 5: Okay.

[5:45:41] Voice 4: I can't, I don't know, I can't say specifically.

[5:45:50] Voice 4: I mean, that was the block of time I had sent saying

[5:45:53] Voice 4: between the 27th and the 11th of february i mean

[5:45:57] Voice 12: i'm i'm inclined especially if you're saying

[5:46:00] Voice 12: january 27th couldn't even do it i'm inclined to suggest that we revert to the original revised

[5:46:09] Voice 5: uh schedule and knowing that we're going to meet at some point in january for that strategic

[5:46:17] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, Chair yeah

[5:46:21] Voice 7: one other thing to note

[5:46:23] Voice 16: during the first discussion about January 27 yes i'm not clear the membership of the

[5:46:33] Voice 5: trust programs committee, I believe, both of you and trustee Harris are on that committee

[5:46:39] Voice 7: and

[5:46:40] Voice 5: you may be scheduled for a meeting on the.

[5:46:42] Voice 5: Mayor Mrakas, 27 it's not clear

[5:46:44] Voice 16: it's in January.

[5:46:45] Voice 16: maria in two different places so okay that was noticed after the motion was passed now that you

[5:46:53] Voice 16: were visiting the motion yeah potentially not none of you are available on january

[5:46:59] Voice 5: 27th okay so i it

[5:47:01] Voice 5: seems like very

[5:47:03] Voice 12: reasonable that we should if

[5:47:04] Voice 4: you want to go back to the ninth and i'll do zoom but

[5:47:06] Voice 4: i will not be physically present okay

[5:47:08] Voice 12: okay so i'm going i'm going to just go ahead and uh and move

[5:47:13] Voice 12: move that we revise the uh we amend the revised yeah

[5:47:21] Voice 6: if that's our

[5:47:23] Voice 5: if there's a general consent

[5:47:25] Voice 5: for staff if we just go back to February 9th next open motion just adopt the original the whole

[5:47:35] Voice 5: schedule should we just rescind it then I just

[5:47:50] Voice 5: want to be procedurally you all to be procedurally

[5:48:06] Voice 6: okay

[5:48:13] Voice 12: so i move that we rescind uh ss 2022 169 regarding

[5:48:21] Voice 5: the proposed meeting schedule

[5:48:23] Voice 5: i do have a second further discussion thank you all all all in favor thank you that carries

[5:48:31] Voice 5: okay so that kit is done and i think

[5:48:36] Voice 5: and you're

[5:48:37] Voice 13: adopting you're putting the revised regular

[5:48:40] Voice 13: meetings as presented without it being without

[5:48:47] Voice 5: adding minutes yes wonderful so i believe

[5:48:51] Voice 5: that means we can move back to 14.9 on page 163 in correspondence why do i have 167 oh

[5:49:09] Voice 5: Oh, 167, that's correct.

[5:49:12] Voice 5: So I see we've got one, two, three, four.

[5:49:15] Voice 5: We've got five pieces of correspondence.

[5:49:18] Voice 5: 14.9 and 14.3 are from the same person.

[5:49:26] Voice 5: My suggestion is that if we want to delve into those in any kind of depth,

[5:49:30] Voice 5: that would be better done in the closed session.

[5:49:36] Voice 5: Trustee Patrick?

[5:49:37] Voice 5: Well,

[5:49:37] Voice 4: I think in general, the conversation we had with the gentleman during the town hall was about the play of tiny homes at the moment.

[5:49:49] Voice 4: There's definitely growing interest from

[5:49:51] Voice 5: politicians to address those issues.

[5:49:57] Voice 5: So it's

[5:50:00] Voice 5: just a frustrating situation.

[5:50:05] Voice 8: okay

[5:50:08] Voice 5: so uh this delegation was brought forward trust council yes yes so i mean we have heard

[5:50:20] Voice 5: from so that's 14.9 and then 14.13 from the same person uh how about if we could we by consent say

[5:50:29] Voice 5: if there's any further questions and that would be added that and then so there's a 14.10

[5:50:36] Voice 5: zero uh

[5:50:37] Voice 12: from regional director greg holman we've

[5:50:42] Voice 5: secured that we've done

[5:50:43] Voice 12: that basically

[5:50:44] Voice 12: okay and then there's the 14.11 also from mr holman uh with justin patrick response

[5:50:57] Voice 12: any desire to do anything in particular with that

[5:51:01] Voice 5: piece of correspondence today no i don't

[5:51:04] Voice 4: I think there will be one on the follow-up action list somewhere buried on there is a motion about developing a protocol agreement between the local trust committee and the CRD in relationship to community planning issues.

[5:51:19] Voice 8: I think that's

[5:51:20] Voice 4: a good idea and helps address some of these.

[5:51:22] Voice 4: The CRD themselves had a Southern Gulf Island housing strategy that didn't include Salt Spring.

[5:51:29] Voice 4: So I think there's going to be a lot of pressure put on them to do a

[5:51:33] Voice 9: housing strategy to

[5:51:34] Voice 4: include Salt Spring.

[5:51:36] Voice 4: So I think there's more conversations to come.

[5:51:38] Voice 4: And a lot of these housing developments in town all get hit with the same water issues that we were just talking about with Ganges Village before.

[5:51:45] Voice 4: If you

[5:51:46] Voice 5: can't solve water in Ganges Village, everything just starts to bottleneck.

[5:51:49] Voice 5: Okay.

[5:51:53] Voice 12: And then at 14.12, there's a letter from BC Housing, which seems to be asking for a representative to

[5:52:10] Voice 5: join the Community

[5:52:11] Voice 12: Advisory Committee

[5:52:13] Voice 5: being

[5:52:16] Voice 12: set up to support the temporary housing project at 154 Kings Lane.

[5:52:20] Voice 5: that mr chair that's really uh for the general interest yes uh uh it really isn't clear that

[5:52:29] Voice 5: we're looking for a trustee uh we're just trying to cast the net to define people to sit on this

[5:52:36] Voice 5: board okay too much at your independent uh discretion okay so trustees any thoughts on this

[5:52:52] Voice 5: correspondence or should we move on yeah um yeah i mean i think this is just overall it's part of

[5:53:04] Voice 5: the house there's lots

[5:53:06] Voice 4: of issues you can see housing

[5:53:08] Voice 4: and improving relationships and their

[5:53:10] Voice 4: understanding of how to build housing on this island they're finding out the hard way then

[5:53:17] Voice 12: neither of you are are suggesting that you want to join this well it

[5:53:21] Voice 12: is a special ltc representative

[5:53:24] Voice 12: i've

[5:53:24] Voice 4: already said i mean already sit in the housing council and these

[5:53:27] Voice 4: this the this project

[5:53:29] Voice 4: and any issues related to it can come up through the housing okay and

[5:53:34] Voice 4: then bc housing and crd and

[5:53:35] Voice 4: others will invite us as politicians when necessary to a meeting if there's a political level

[5:53:43] Voice 4: discussion to be had we will receive invitations okay all

[5:53:50] Voice 5: right so we're just going to receive

[5:53:51] Voice 12: this and then i had a i took some notes around the delegations and i noticed

[5:53:59] Voice 5: that in 50 the

[5:54:00] Voice 5: delegation under 15.1 for mr clark um and i wondered if we could look at the the resolution

[5:54:08] Voice 5: we made because i have a potential amendment to that resolution could you just have that

[5:54:15] Voice 5: resolution again

[5:54:16] Voice 6: yes

[5:54:18] Voice 5: please that'd be great reading it out would be fine uh

[5:54:25] Voice 13: that the salt

[5:54:25] Voice 13: spring island local trust committee request staff to coordinate with crest and the crd to draft a

[5:54:32] Voice 13: letter requesting that the rogers communications tower be relocated and that the letter be signed

[5:54:39] Voice 13: by the chair so

[5:54:42] Voice 12: the reason i wanted to to bring

[5:54:44] Voice 5: this back up trustees is because what i

[5:54:48] Voice 5: what i wrote down and what i heard was i heard that um the

[5:54:53] Voice 12: concerned residents

[5:54:55] Voice 12: would really like us to detail the rationale for the decision trustee patrick as

[5:55:03] Voice 4: i was present

[5:55:04] Voice 4: through the hundreds of meetings on this topic so far the issue the advice where we had were told

[5:55:11] Voice 4: was we have the right to rescind we don't have to provide our reasons and as is so that was the

[5:55:20] Voice 4: approach that we were taking weren't obligated to have explained to anyone why we rescind we have

[5:55:25] Voice 4: the right to say we've changed our mind we've rescinded um and that was sort of the approach

[5:55:31] Voice 4: that we were taking this week we

[5:55:32] Voice 5: stood with our resentment and that was the language but we

[5:55:39] Voice 5: rescinded it i don't know if i think you have to take direction from staff on whether or not

[5:55:46] Voice 5: yeah and actually hearing this motion again it's more about uh coordinating with the crd and

[5:55:52] Voice 5: and suggesting about an alternative um placement and not so much going into that but i just i i

[5:56:02] Voice 5: just had flagged it and forgot to mention it at the time that that was sort of what i heard as

[5:56:07] Voice 5: as one of well i

[5:56:08] Voice 5: heard that and asked for the legal injunction um so i just wanted to not move

[5:56:13] Voice 5: on before we just gone over that so if trustees are happy with where we stand then i'm happy

[5:56:19] Voice 5: okay so i believe maybe staff can help me out on this but i believe that is no

[5:56:31] Voice 4: we had that one more

[5:56:31] Voice 4: delegation from uh transition salt spring regarding no i

[5:56:36] Voice 12: believe we're back to we went

[5:56:39] Voice 12: through section 17 oh right 15.2 did we want to take any action on that that was a request for

[5:56:45] Voice 12: staff time

[5:56:47] Voice 5: working on the hydrological model and it's guidance well

[5:56:50] Voice 4: i guess i would look at i mean

[5:56:51] Voice 4: i'd because i'd look to staff i mean we if that's something we even do

[5:57:00] Voice 4: no i meant this stuff they've

[5:57:02] Voice 5: asked for staff time they're

[5:57:04] Voice 4: asking our staff so i think which

[5:57:06] Voice 5: i assume would be mr shalva yes yes so this is uh food chair thank

[5:57:11] Voice 7: you um this is a project of

[5:57:14] Voice 7: transition cell spraying but they have requested there is some concerns raised in the technical

[5:57:26] Voice 7: for working group meeting when we're getting a delegation from Dr. Rick Walden who's undertaking

[5:57:33] Voice 7: the work that there's some like definitely some gaps in the analysis which is to be expected

[5:57:44] Voice 7: but also there's a large governance gap from there and so they're undertaking this work in

[5:57:51] Voice 7: in forestry lands where there's crossings of creeks across the road, and there's guidance

[5:58:00] Voice 7: documents made by engineers at Geoscience BC with the BC's forestry professionals on

[5:58:06] Voice 7: crossings.

[5:58:08] Voice 7: I'm not surprised they weren't aware of it, so we encourage them to train professionals

[5:58:23] Voice 7: professionals with that expertise to undertake the work.

[5:58:27] Voice 7: And so they're going for a significant grant

[5:58:31] Voice 7: to undertake a myriad of projects in the watershed,

[5:58:38] Voice 7: but one of them is around the road and the crossing.

[5:58:41] Voice 7: So the request that they're asking is twofold.

[5:58:45] Voice 7: One is because I have experience in watershed hydrology

[5:58:51] Voice 7: I would regenerate a hydrological drainage model which is it's not a large undertaking it's using

[5:59:01] Voice 7: the lidar to figure out where this is

[5:59:02] Voice 6: one

[5:59:08] Voice 5: of the issues around the road and so that could just

[5:59:13] Voice 7: largely the pet project. The majority of the ask would be to help them craft their

[5:59:29] Voice 7: request for proposals for a professional so there's appropriate so the CRE I'm not sure

[6:00:02] Voice 7: The interesting thing about this work is that it's a multi-stakeholder engagement with SaltSpring, ODE, CRDE, Trust, Watershed Preservation Society.

[6:00:18] Voice 7: There's like a whole bunch of players around, you know, like stewarding the most significant water source on SaltSpring Island, really, to promote healthy water going down to Ganges.

[6:00:32] Voice 7: and so i think that that was the discussion around the

[6:00:36] Voice 7: technical work degree i encourage

[6:00:38] Voice 7: this is why they have requested us at the ltc at

[6:00:47] Voice 5: this time i i'm not sure if the ltc needs to

[6:00:50] Voice 5: make a decision because we have just talked about the work program which is about part of that or

[6:00:56] Voice 5: adjacent to it so the

[6:01:01] Voice 7: one aspect of this where i find this interesting is to have this type of

[6:01:10] Voice 7: watershed analysis to drink the water lakes to be like a pilot case study for for how to

[6:01:16] Voice 7: undertake this work across the island's trust area and back to chair

[6:01:21] Voice 5: peterson's home island

[6:01:23] Voice 5: how uh the issues of drinking water and so on with them and the hardship with that water system

[6:01:37] Voice 5: that

[6:01:38] Voice 7: they're taking find that i have the expertise and i can offer that maybe in that squad thank you

[6:01:53] Voice 5: trustees i mean desire to take any action well i mean it

[6:01:58] Voice 4: is a unique opportunity i think it is

[6:02:01] Voice 4: putting our focus in a pilot area rather than being scattered all over the place

[6:02:08] Voice 4: is is

[6:02:10] Voice 5: potentially very beneficial because it's about also seeing these ideas

[6:02:15] Voice 5: becomes reality what's restoration look

[6:02:17] Voice 4: like and as it improves and fixes does it doesn't reduce

[6:02:21] Voice 4: the sediment loading to the lake if they make these changes um but directing you know staff

[6:02:28] Voice 4: involvement it's

[6:02:28] Voice 5: so i it's kind of a fun place to be um i have a huge problem with that um i would

[6:02:37] Voice 5: love to see honestly some more talk about this and actually if the chair would be able to go to

[6:02:44] the site to see the shape of the watershed and get

[6:02:48] Voice 5: a visual of actually what's going on up there

[6:02:50] Voice 5: make a better decision this type of decision pretty large and in my opinion the watershed

[6:03:03] Voice 5: is actually looks pretty good it's protected concerns transition salt spring i've worked

[6:03:12] Voice 5: with them to a degree on the pilot project that's up there i've heard them speak about certain

[6:03:17] Voice 5: issues and um i've had some concerns i don't know if it's proper to talk about a closed

[6:03:23] Voice 5: session well yeah and at

[6:03:27] Voice 5: this point you know i take a point that that's totally fair um i i

[6:03:32] Voice 5: so that's not a local trustee here i i would be deferring in this case especially to

[6:03:39] Voice 5: the issues of local trustees if you if you one of you had an action that you wish to take at

[6:03:45] Voice 5: this point that we could discuss that but if not then i think we're going to move on great

[6:03:50] Voice 5: well no i think this watershed project is providing us lots of those we look at

[6:03:56] Voice 5: wildfire resiliency as we look at forest practices to improve or reduce wildfire

[6:04:01] Voice 5: risk and things of that nature this this project is becoming that area we're focusing on the area

[6:04:10] Voice 5: so it's it's not necessarily about transition it

[6:04:13] Voice 4: took what was a initial grant request and has

[6:04:17] Voice 4: has just capitalized on attracting everyone else

[6:04:21] Voice 4: to put their grant applications into the same area

[6:04:23] Voice 4: so that it's focused work in one area,

[6:04:27] Voice 4: which is-

[6:04:28] Voice 12: But as far as the specific ask

[6:04:32] Voice 12: to the local trust committee for staff allocation today,

[6:04:35] Voice 12: that's

[6:04:35] Voice 5: not something either of you

[6:04:37] Voice 5: are prepared to advance at this moment?

[6:04:38] Voice 5: I'm not, and again, I wouldn't think it's very advantageous

[6:04:42] Voice 5: if you could come up there at some point, take a look.

[6:04:45] Voice 5: Okay, honestly, some of these other decisions that we've made, honestly, that should maybe be up in the case as well.

[6:04:51] Voice 5: Yeah, that'd be great.

[6:04:52] Voice 5: Well, getting a vision of it, of course.

[6:04:53] Voice 5: I

[6:04:54] Voice 4: think that would be a question, and that's probably maybe a better question is, it would be better if one of our partner agencies from SWPA was doing the hydrological work up there.

[6:05:10] Voice 4: So that's the

[6:05:11] Voice 5: interesting, this is where it gets interesting.

[6:05:14] Voice 5: but

[6:05:15] Voice 12: in terms of not i i hear hugh loud and clear and so laura i'm not hearing uh any particular

[6:05:22] Voice 12: action today well

[6:05:23] Voice 5: i think we need to find out a little more information about how they're

[6:05:26] Voice 5: pretending to have this work all right well i think if that's the case then we're not going

[6:05:31] Voice 5: to take any action today then i believe help me out with

[6:05:36] Voice 12: the staff i believe we have completed the

[6:05:38] Voice 12: open meeting section of the agenda okay and that being the case uh we have a motion to

[6:05:46] Voice 12: close the meeting and i just before everyone goes i'd like to thank

[6:05:49] Voice 5: you all for coming out and

[6:05:52] Voice 5: uh being here and uh and those of you that spoke to speaking to the local trust committee and i

[6:05:59] Voice 5: look forward to

[6:06:00] Voice 12: seeing you all again hopefully over the next few years we'll get some chances

[6:06:04] Voice 12: that are less formal to get to know each other so that

[6:06:08] Voice 4: beer again thank

[6:06:09] Voice 12: you for that

[6:06:12] Voice 4: and

[6:06:13] Voice 12: uh so we're going to move to section 10 which is the closed meeting i'll

[6:06:17] Voice 4: move the salt spring

[6:06:18] Voice 4: island local trust committee close this meeting to the public subject community charter section 91 e

[6:06:24] Voice 4: that the acquisition disposition and expropriation of land or improvements if the council considers

[6:06:36] Voice 4: if the council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation of

[6:06:44] Voice 5: an enactment,

[6:06:46] Voice 4: and that staff be invited to remain.

[6:06:48] Voice 5: Okay, second.

[6:06:51] Voice 5: All right.

[6:06:52] Voice 5: All in favor.

[6:06:54] Voice 5: Okay, we're going to declare the meeting closed.