Islands Trust Council community information meeting, January 20, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 4: So we're recording, we're streaming, we're recording, we're streaming, and everyone's

[0:00:04] Voice 4: in here.

[0:00:04] Voice 4: You can hear them?

[0:00:05] Voice 4: Perfect.

[0:00:06] Voice 4: Welcome, everybody.

[0:00:08] Trustee Maude: Thank you for your patience in dealing with our technical challenges.

[0:00:13] Trustee Maude: We're all learning together for the first time.

[0:00:18] Trustee Maude: Anyway, good morning.

[0:00:20] Trustee Maude: Thank you for joining us today at the electronic special meeting of the Federal and Local Trust

[0:00:26] Trustee Maude: Committee.

[0:00:29] Trustee Maude: This is the first meeting of our new Trust Council.

[0:00:36] Trustee Maude: I'm David Mond from Main Island.

[0:00:39] Trustee Maude: I'm newly elected as the Vice Chair of the Linus Trust.

[0:00:44] Trustee Maude: Joining us is Erin Canigal, who also is new to the Trust.

[0:00:49] Trustee Maude: And also we have our veteran, Deb Morrison.

[0:00:52] Trustee Maude: Of course. Together we make up the Pendergast Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:59] Trustee Maude: We're also joined today by Paul Brent, our CRD director, who has kindly made his way over from Saterna, which is most welcome.

[0:01:07] Trustee Maude: We do enjoy Paul's company.

[0:01:12] Trustee Maude: And so this meeting is being live streamed, it's all being recorded and will be available soon on the Highlands Trust website.

[0:01:18] Trustee Maude: We also have some staff members joining us today.

[0:01:20] Trustee Maude: day. We have Robert Kojima, who's the regional planning manager. We have Brad, who is our

[0:01:27] Trustee Maude: planner for part of it. We also have Tim Stockdale online, who is our other planner, as we're

[0:01:35] Trustee Maude: sort of in a transition phase right now. We have Pat Todd, who's our minute taker. She's

[0:01:41] Trustee Maude: on electronically today. I believe Warren Dingman, our file enforcement officer, will

[0:01:45] Trustee Maude: be joining us at some point um and then we have robin you check who is in leading for us

[0:01:54] Trustee Maude: so just to let you know that this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee

[0:01:59] Trustee Maude: this is to make decisions for land use and planning matters to discuss relevant business

[0:02:04] Trustee Maude: i want to add that this is a place of employment this is our workplace so despite the fact many

[0:02:09] Trustee Maude: staff members are in their own homes our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:02:13] Trustee Maude: place. So that gets through all the good technical starting

[0:02:16] Trustee Maude: stuff. So first thing we're going to do is we're going to

[0:02:18] prove the agenda as circulated, if anybody has any additions, or

[0:02:23] anything with that.

[0:02:25] Trustee Maude: Otherwise, by consensus, we'll drop the

[0:02:27] Trustee Maude: agenda as done. And the first thing on the agenda is a

[0:02:31] Trustee Maude: trustees report. So

[0:02:37] Trustee Maude: handover of trustee Morris.

[0:02:38] Trustee Maude: All

[0:02:38] Voice 9: right. Well, welcome. This is our officially, it's actually

[0:02:43] Voice 9: our second meeting because we did a meeting just to schedule meetings which is a thing um so but

[0:02:48] Voice 9: it's our first student person meeting so welcome um to the new year uh we are not entering the new

[0:02:54] Voice 9: year on the note that i would love to because there are as you can see there are going to be

[0:02:59] Voice 9: a number of concerns in the town hall raised that i am glad to see folks here to name that

[0:03:05] Voice 9: i do also encourage folks who do want to share to write in because when you write in we have

[0:03:13] fiscal correspondence it

[0:03:14] Voice 9: helps our argument immensely when we go to the province the crd to

[0:03:20] Voice 9: and for call in the crd to take issues forward it just helps a lot so please do write in um i

[0:03:28] Voice 9: have posted the last couple posts various email addresses and things and this one that i just

[0:03:33] Voice 9: for this morning for the post also included a number of things for people to use quick references

[0:03:39] Voice 9: in terms of things that have been going on we had a couple trust council meetings they've been great

[0:03:42] Voice 9: uh just getting to know the new trust council um there are some concerns around the budget

[0:03:49] Voice 9: this year so weigh in heavily we'll talk about that a little bit later um and i also really

[0:03:56] Voice 9: appreciate the adjustment of the council and of everyone for the half an hour later start

[0:04:02] Voice 9: the reason for that is i got appointed to the north american commission on for environmental

[0:04:06] Voice 9: protection and the meetings stop at 10 30. so i literally just got off the meeting in the other

[0:04:12] Voice 9: room so i'll always be here at nine but i have those meetings just before this one so i apologize

[0:04:16] Voice 9: for that change and thank you for the adjustment

[0:04:22] Voice 5: obviously very new to this and it's uh it's gotten

[0:04:27] Voice 5: gotten off. It seemed like a very slow start into it with not having a meeting until coming into

[0:04:34] January when you first went to trust council in November. But it's

[0:04:39] Voice 5: just been a lot of fun really

[0:04:42] Voice 5: to get to converse with people and talk to them about how they feel about the island and the

[0:04:47] Voice 5: island's trust and what concerns are moving forward. And I think it's sort of evidence in

[0:04:54] Voice 5: in that we have about a 170 page agenda for today

[0:04:57] Voice 5: for our regular meeting,

[0:04:59] Voice 5: and probably 90% of the people in the room

[0:05:02] Voice 5: aren't here for what's on that agenda,

[0:05:05] Voice 5: because we've had stuff that's come up

[0:05:07] Voice 5: in the last 10 days on Pender

[0:05:08] Voice 5: that is very important to people.

[0:05:11] Voice 5: And so it's a good indicator

[0:05:15] Voice 5: that people are willing to get involved

[0:05:17] Voice 5: and willing to come and talk to us

[0:05:21] Voice 5: and give us an idea of how folks are feeling

[0:05:23] Voice 5: on the island and i do want to echo what what jeff is saying about writing in it's been very

[0:05:30] Voice 5: very interesting for somebody like myself with no real background of it to see how those letters go

[0:05:36] Voice 5: through different levels of government and the responses that come back on them and that people

[0:05:41] Voice 5: are hearing about this at all different levels and willing to

[0:05:45] Voice 5: respond and get and at least give

[0:05:48] Voice 5: an opinion um if not get directly involved so um i think that it bodes well for our four years of of

[0:05:56] Voice 5: uh um forgiveness and through our term and it'll be uh it'll be good to work with everybody

[0:06:05] Trustee Maude: all right thank you so

[0:06:07] Voice 12: i'm going to move that podium because i can't see you

[0:06:10] Voice 12: forget absolutely

[0:06:11] Trustee Maude: thanks

[0:06:13] Voice 12: so

[0:06:15] Trustee Maude: my great introduction i'm from main island um so within the neighborhood

[0:06:20] Trustee Maude: um they know my friends on pender allen um my aunt was a postman down at port washington many many

[0:06:28] Trustee Maude: many years ago and he can't um so sort of it all feels like family to me um this latest trust

[0:06:37] Trustee Maude: council it's it's an interesting one it's a very invigorated one there are some wonderful very

[0:06:43] Trustee Maude: talented people sitting around the table and i think the next four years will be quite exciting

[0:06:48] Trustee Maude: for islands trust we have a lot of stuff on our table um including the trust policy statement

[0:06:54] Trustee Maude: review the governance review possibly a management review where we've asked for the promise to a

[0:07:00] Trustee Maude: review of the trust as a whole so there's a lot of balls in the air and they're very important balls

[0:07:05] Trustee Maude: so this term is going to be quite interesting, but also which sort of segues over to our CRD

[0:07:14] Trustee Maude: presentation. We have an engaged CRD director who I think is going to help us work together

[0:07:21] because we all describe the Gulf Islands governance model as being fairly dysfunctional

[0:07:27] Trustee Maude: and it's a lot of it's because we don't really talk a lot. I think we have a commitment from

[0:07:33] Trustee Maude: Paul um to sort of be involved in the issues he of course is a previous trust trustee so he

[0:07:39] Trustee Maude: understands how we make the sausage on our side he's trying to figure out how to make it better

[0:07:44] Trustee Maude: sausage on his side and between the two of us our organizations I think is good it's going to be a

[0:07:50] Trustee Maude: good four years so I'll leave it at that thank you turn

[0:07:56] Voice 7: over to Paul I think you just gave my report

[0:07:58] Voice 7: board but principally like why i'm here seriously is to make sure that we don't work across purposes

[0:08:05] Voice 7: that the right hand knows what the left head is doing and it's certainly in the past we've seen

[0:08:10] Voice 7: a situation where the trust and the crd seem to be moving in two different directions and so

[0:08:16] Voice 7: i'm going to be liaising with all of the local trust committees across the southern gulf islands

[0:08:22] Voice 7: and everybody else and we're going to try to work together to get important things done

[0:08:27] Voice 7: on these islands and so that's that's my mission and whether it's housing whether it's supporting

[0:08:34] Voice 7: our medical clinics whether it's transportation whether it's the environment we need to work

[0:08:39] Voice 7: together to and all agencies of the government province trust crd we haven't been very effective

[0:08:47] Voice 7: and uh so that's certainly my commitment it's commitment of our mla it's the commitment of our

[0:08:54] Voice 7: our mp and and so we got to do a better way better job of what we've been doing so yeah that's why

[0:09:02] Voice 7: i'm here thank

[0:09:04] Trustee Maude: you very much all right so we move on to what i guess is going to be interesting for

[0:09:09] Trustee Maude: the biggest town hall um so if anybody wants to put their hand up and be acknowledged and

[0:09:16] Trustee Maude: we'll go forward from there is that the one thing i was saying is that

[0:09:20] Trustee Maude: we have a brief period of time so if you could be sort of to the point and uh i'm assuming there's

[0:09:26] Trustee Maude: lots of people want to speak and we'll sort of get through as much as we can so gentlemen there

[0:09:31] Trustee Maude: your name please and tell

[0:09:34] Voice 20: me something um

[0:09:35] Voice 21: first before

[0:09:39] Trustee Maude: i say anything that was my error i must say

[0:09:42] Trustee Maude: so i'll just i'll start off by just saying i want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're

[0:09:46] Trustee Maude: fortunate to be able to gather today in the locations across the traditional uh territory

[0:09:50] Trustee Maude: of the Coast Salish people. I just, I missed that in my introduction. I do apologize.

[0:09:55] Voice 21: Tony Irving, fourth generation Pender Islander, descendant of the Spalton family,

[0:10:03] Voice 21: also a citizen of the Métis Nation of BC, which makes me sensitive to indigenous issues.

[0:10:11] Voice 21: My mother was an Aang from St. Thurman Island, and as David knows, my mother's mother was a

[0:10:20] Voice 21: model from the island. So I have three feet roots here in the islands. My great-great-grandfather was a

[0:10:27] Voice 21: 18 member, first member of the first legislative assembly in British Columbia and I have a

[0:10:36] Voice 21: single sailor ship so they go pretty deep. So I'm kind of sensitive about stuff around Pender.

[0:10:42] Voice 21: My dad was one of the first trustees on Pender Island in the 70s.

[0:10:48] Voice 21: Um, you know, we talked about issues, Preserve and Protect was pretty big, my dad as a youth

[0:10:57] Voice 21: hand logged on the island, he taught me what that was like when you chop a tree down with

[0:11:03] Voice 21: a double fitted axe and a cross saw, cross cut saw, and, um, we talked a lot about logging.

[0:11:12] Voice 21: He did not like industrial logging, it is wasteful, destructive, and sadly on Kendra

[0:11:20] Voice 21: Island has become a very divisive issue. I stay away from the Facebook Panther Island forum because

[0:11:26] Voice 21: it's super divisive. I tend to keep a fairly low profile because I know what it's like to

[0:11:32] Voice 21: stick your neck out around here and so I'm a little disappointed that the preserve and protect

[0:11:40] Voice 21: seems to have gone adrift because it's causing division in the island. We have incidents like

[0:11:47] Voice 21: 4815 Schooner Road, a logging taking place in what to, I think, ain't reasonable why it looks like a watershed for the Madison Beach Conservation Area.

[0:12:01] Voice 21: Big trees in there. I didn't see the logging trucks leave, but I know a number of people here did see them leave.

[0:12:08] Voice 21: Although the eagle's nest might have been gone, there are certainly trees there that would have been potential routes.

[0:12:18] Voice 21: nest or heathering nests. And that's what I find really sad is that the trees leave the island and

[0:12:25] Voice 21: here we all are now to speak to that and not all of us maybe but a lot of us. I would just like to

[0:12:33] Voice 21: say that I really am hopeful and encouraged the Islands Trust to get some teeth to and the sad

[0:12:43] Voice 21: thing is, is once you start talking about this, you can help and start logging your properties.

[0:12:50] Voice 21: I really don't understand why I first arrived here in 1954 as a visitor with my parents,

[0:12:59] Voice 21: and I've lived here for over half my life, and it just turns my stomach when I see people buy a lot

[0:13:06] Voice 21: by clear-cutting edge to edge. You know, if you want a view, if you're staring at trees falling

[0:13:12] Voice 21: on your house. There's beautiful land in Alberta that has everything from flat land, prairie to mountain peaks, and you can go live there if you want kind of the ocean view.

[0:13:22] Voice 21: But if you're moving to Canada Island, I firmly believe you have to adjust, or any of the qualified ones adjust to Canada's rip era. We cannot destroy this place. Thank you.

[0:13:35] Voice 21: I think that's true.

[0:13:39] Trustee Maude: Who was next?

[0:13:40] Trustee Maude: I believe it was .

[0:13:43] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:13:45] Voice 9: I'm standing to see if you can hear me better.

[0:13:49] Voice 9: Well, this is very real.

[0:13:51] Voice 9: I have at least four issues.

[0:13:53] Voice 9: Just get your name, please.

[0:13:54] Voice 9: Oh, I thought I said it.

[0:13:55] Voice 9: Wilma Riley.

[0:13:56] Trustee Maude: Wilma Riley, thank you.

[0:13:57] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:13:58] Voice 9: And I have lived on tenure for going on 27 years.

[0:14:03] Voice 9: I have at least four issues.

[0:14:05] Voice 9: I just want to speak to one because I hope others will speak to the rest.

[0:14:10] Voice 9: Recently, a business has been shut down.

[0:14:13] Voice 9: A local business was a home-based baking.

[0:14:18] Voice 9: It was in my neighborhood.

[0:14:21] Voice 9: Quality bread, I would add, and very cleanly presented.

[0:14:28] Voice 9: I mean, this looked very wonderful.

[0:14:30] Voice 9: I've bought bread here all the time.

[0:14:33] Voice 9: My son's really angry at this.

[0:14:35] Voice 9: shut down because it was one of his pleasures

[0:14:37] Voice 9: of coming to Bender.

[0:14:39] Voice 9: Now, I have no idea

[0:14:41] Voice 9: why.

[0:14:43] Voice 9: It apparently was to do with

[0:14:45] Voice 9: some health regulations,

[0:14:47] Voice 9: which baffles me totally.

[0:14:50] Voice 9: More people have

[0:14:51] Voice 9: gotten sick from commercial

[0:14:53] Voice 9: kitchens than have gotten

[0:14:55] Voice 9: sick from any other type.

[0:14:57] Voice 9: A commercial kitchen can have

[0:14:59] Voice 9: all the equipment in the world, and if

[0:15:01] Voice 9: the counters are dirty, you're still

[0:15:03] Voice 9: going to get some problems.

[0:15:05] Voice 9: so it's a matter of how it is handled not what it looks like and what it is commercial or not

[0:15:14] Voice 9: but i have no objection to this product quite the contrary it was cleanly presented

[0:15:20] Voice 9: yet it's been shut down now i know this is not in the trust review it was some other agency that did

[0:15:29] Voice 9: But this is a meeting, and I would like to say I am not the only one who's been upset

[0:15:37] Voice 9: by this particular thing, which could affect a lot of this kind of business on Canada.

[0:15:45] Voice 9: Now, this is part of the rural quality of the island.

[0:15:51] Voice 9: It's one of the things we look forward to, and I don't see that being very well preserved

[0:15:59] Voice 9: by these inane and totally illogical.

[0:16:05] Voice 9: I'm really made angry by stupidity and so I'm angry a lot.

[0:16:11] Voice 9: But, you know, these kind of regulations don't make sense.

[0:16:15] Voice 9: Shut down a valuable business that really contributed

[0:16:19] Voice 9: and made life a little pleasanter.

[0:16:21] Voice 9: And I'm here to voice my opposition to that.

[0:16:25] Voice 9: Thank you

[0:16:26] Trustee Maude: very much.

[0:16:27] Trustee Maude: and i would suggest probably the the best person to go to would be animals in your mla because

[0:16:38] Voice 9: can i

[0:16:39] Voice 9: just check for meeting norms what we're doing in our town hall are we going to listen

[0:16:43] Voice 9: to everyone and then respond or because there's multiple things that we can respond to and

[0:16:48] Voice 9: multiple people that will probably talk on that one issue what would we like to do what what has

[0:16:52] Trustee Maude: been the past practice on the pen

[0:16:54] Voice 9: it's variable

[0:16:55] Trustee Maude: so but there

[0:16:58] Voice 9: are at least four or five issues here

[0:17:00] Voice 9: and a lot of

[0:17:01] Voice 9: people who want to speak what i would suggest is that we listen to everyone and then we

[0:17:05] Voice 9: each respond to whatever we hear because otherwise we could be here for two hours okay fair enough i

[0:17:10] Voice 9: just i think

[0:17:11] Voice 9: that might be the way and then there are a lot of things that i want to say

[0:17:15] Voice 9: and many of the people in here have phoned either erin or i both probably call too

[0:17:20] Voice 9: So I think we should just listen to everyone and then think

[0:17:22] Trustee Maude: about the response.

[0:17:23] Trustee Maude: So, Mr. Skach.

[0:17:29] Voice 10: Mike Skach, North Pedron.

[0:17:35] Voice 1: Trustees, thank you for serving the community, both in your role as local trust area trustees and in your role as trust area councillor.

[0:17:45] Voice 1: There's very important work to be done this term in both the upper council level and in the LTC level of the Trust Area Federation.

[0:17:54] Voice 1: We welcome Island Planner Brad Smith, who is an agrologist and is familiar with the

[0:18:01] Voice 1: Agricultural Capability Class Ratings for soils used in the Canada Land Inventory mapping

[0:18:09] Voice 1: relied on by the Agricultural Land Commission.

[0:18:14] Voice 1: The Canada Land Inventory includes some 2,000 data points for North Pender ground-truthed

[0:18:22] Voice 1: in the 1980s.

[0:18:23] Voice 1: We look forward to agricultural soils being described in staff reports in terms of the more useful agricultural capability class rather than soil mineral descriptions.

[0:18:35] Voice 1: I briefly address the agenda items respecting, first, an application fees bylaw, which would

[0:18:43] Voice 1: raise fees substantially, and two, delegation of decision-making for natural environment

[0:18:50] Voice 1: development permit areas, DPAs, by the LTC Corporation to staff of the local planning

[0:18:57] Voice 1: service.

[0:18:58] Voice 1: First, the application fees draft bylaw.

[0:19:03] Voice 1: The draft, my total thing is one page, three minutes in.

[0:19:07] Voice 1: First, the application sees draft by-law.

[0:19:10] Voice 1: The draft by-law includes allowance for a 20% surcharge where an application is made after the fact.

[0:19:19] Voice 1: I ask that consideration be given for situations where the landowner makes changes which would need LTC permission,

[0:19:26] Voice 1: but where other circumstance requires that the change be made immediately,

[0:19:31] Voice 1: so necessitating an application after the fact.

[0:19:37] Voice 1: Secondly, I ask that the LTC not delegate to staff its own responsibility for decision-making

[0:19:44] Voice 1: for natural environment DPA development permit areas.

[0:19:49] Voice 1: Section 4 of the Islands Trust Act states in part that the LTC corporation is continued,

[0:19:56] Voice 1: That is to say, it exists in order to carry out, preserve, and protect objects.

[0:20:02] Voice 1: The direction of Section 4 is no mere piety, legally, and must be taken seriously.

[0:20:09] Voice 1: Preservation and protection of natural environment entities, which might otherwise be overwhelmed

[0:20:14] Voice 1: by the built environment, is the heart of the Act.

[0:20:20] Voice 1: Note that Council's current Trust Policy Statement by the law, which should securely

[0:20:25] Voice 1: implement trust area policies to preserve and protect natural entities, too often fails to do

[0:20:31] Voice 1: so. The culprit is Council's delegation of the implementation of trust area policy

[0:20:38] Voice 1: to the local trust areas, where each local jurisdiction may choose to give reason not

[0:20:45] Voice 1: to implement a policy. The act of delegation introduces a second layer of potential for

[0:20:52] Voice 1: conflicting interests. Please do not proceed with a local bylaw to delegate LTC decisions

[0:20:59] Voice 1: on natural environment DPAs to staff. Thank you.

[0:21:04] Voice 1: DR. Thank you, Scott.

[0:21:10] Trustee Maude: DR. Yeah, we'll need your name.

[0:21:11] Trustee Maude: DR. Yes. My

[0:21:12] Voice 9: name is Joyce Thayer, and as some of you may know, we've been

[0:21:17] Voice 9: in front of the press for the last six months dealing with an issue on the interpretation of the

[0:21:23] Voice 9: existing bylaw

[0:21:25] Voice 12: as it relates to the building of farms on rural residential land. Something that

[0:21:33] Voice 12: we say should never have been approved and is not

[0:21:37] Voice 15: contemplated by the Act. We have made submissions

[0:21:41] Voice 15: on this and there have been changes made to the proposed bylaw to deal with this.

[0:21:48] Voice 9: No changes have

[0:21:49] Voice 19: been made to the existing bylaw yet and we've

[0:21:53] Voice 12: also requested and received a legal commission

[0:21:57] Voice 12: of a legal opinion to determine whether or not the bylaw was correctly

[0:22:02] Voice 9: interpreted

[0:22:04] Voice 9: so i just want to say we're not going away we're here we're watching what's going on and hope

[0:22:11] Voice 9: that there'll be some

[0:22:13] Voice 15: positive resolution to this in the near future because this should not

[0:22:18] Voice 15: be dragged on. Nobody

[0:22:22] Voice 19: is aware of any similar building ever being built on that type of lot

[0:22:28] Voice 19: and it set a precedent that is untenable. So secondly, I would like to speak to the issue

[0:22:37] Voice 19: of delegation of authority. I am concerned when something like this particular

[0:22:43] Voice 15: application was

[0:22:45] Voice 15: approved without the trust being aware that it was happening and it was so

[0:22:49] Voice 15: unusual and

[0:22:51] Voice 19: it was not until the neighborhood saw the building being

[0:22:54] Voice 19: constructed that we became aware it was happening it's it's really important

[0:22:59] Voice 19: that the planners and the

[0:23:01] Voice 9: trustees are on the same page and are aware of what's

[0:23:05] Voice 9: going on and if you're going to delegate you need really clear policies on what

[0:23:11] Voice 9: comes back to the trust and how they're kept aware of what's going on and I'm

[0:23:19] Voice 9: particularly concerned as well because I saw there's a suggestion that the staff

[0:23:25] Voice 9: don't have to attend the meeting like it's really important that they be aware

[0:23:30] Voice 9: of the island they be aware of issues and they understand how unusual an

[0:23:36] Voice 12: application of that measure was and and should not have been approved so anyways um thank you

[0:23:43] Voice 12: for your um consideration and thank you for the work you've done so far and i look forward to

[0:23:49] Voice 12: working with you in the future to resolve the decision thank

[0:23:53] Trustee Maude: you very much over here

[0:24:03] Voice 11: i'm

[0:24:10] Voice 9: talking about a forest it's being destroyed

[0:24:12] Voice 10: down the road i don't know if you know this but

[0:24:16] Voice 10: But in the audience, you've got 15 Jerry Creekers,

[0:24:20] Voice 10: people that were

[0:24:21] Voice 9: willing to go up to the

[0:24:23] Voice 9: Port Renfrew area

[0:24:24] Voice 9: and lay on the dirt to save the forest.

[0:24:28] Voice 12: We are

[0:24:28] Voice 9: so tired of what is going on in school and

[0:24:32] Voice 10: in the world right now.

[0:24:34] Voice 10: I'm going to show you a sampling

[0:24:36] Voice 9: of a 2004 Island Tides

[0:24:39] Voice 10: newspaper.

[0:24:41] Voice 9: We're

[0:24:42] Voice 10: talking about the same issue from Houston Road.

[0:24:45] Voice 10: How many

[0:24:46] Voice 9: acres is that?

[0:24:48] Voice 9: This is not, I have to get that back because my friend, you know, and

[0:24:56] Voice 10: the trees that are coming down on all these lots in Magic Lake, it's exhausting.

[0:25:02] Voice 10: We are going into an extinction event.

[0:25:05] Voice 10: It's happening.

[0:25:08] Voice 10: These trees will help us.

[0:25:11] Voice 10: Why, why, why, why?

[0:25:12] Voice 10: I know that, Robert, when I say this, you're going to go, no, no, no, but can we not use this as a

[0:25:24] Voice 9: template to say, no, you're not cutting any more trees down?

[0:25:29] Voice 9: Have the owner come back to us and look back to you guys and fight you in court.

[0:25:35] Voice 9: and we use this as an example to use against the bc government to move the legislation so that

[0:25:44] Voice 9: you as trust people have the ability to do something because right now i know the answer

[0:25:51] Voice 9: we're going to get after we all do our little talk is there's nothing we can do but we have to

[0:25:57] Voice 9: do something we just have to yeah we can't have

[0:26:02] Voice 16: people come in here and commercially log a lot

[0:26:05] Voice 16: plot for the lumber and then try and sell it like they did over on the Pirates Road

[0:26:12] Voice 16: property where the same thing, 10 acres, was logged supposedly for a driveway. I don't know

[0:26:19] Voice 16: why you need 10 acres for a driveway. And they

[0:26:22] Voice 9: sold it and it split three or four times. And

[0:26:25] Voice 9: this is just since COVID. No building has gone up. I'm sure if the next thing, the Conservancy

[0:26:33] Voice 9: he's going to ask us to go over there and start pulling the invasive species because that's the

[0:26:38] Voice 9: only thing that's going to grow

[0:26:39] Voice 10: in the garden i'm asking can we grow some breasts here and do something

[0:26:50] hi

[0:26:59] Voice 10: my name is lesley mcbain i've lived on pender for about 27 years and i live right next to the

[0:27:07] Voice 10: property that Kathy was just reverting on Pirates Road. I just want to want to tell you what has

[0:27:13] Voice 10: happened since that clear cut. It's actually eight

[0:27:15] Voice 19: acres and I'm in contact with the new owners but

[0:27:19] Voice 19: the damage has been done. It is clear cut. It was clear cut for no apparent reason. They could have

[0:27:25] Voice 19: easily put a

[0:27:25] Voice 10: dry land in without doing that but what's happening now and for the last couple

[0:27:30] Voice 10: for winters, is the water, of course, is sluicing down, taking with it, and there's no soil

[0:27:37] Voice 10: left, it's all shale. When this was happening, I went to the Ministry of Transport, I went

[0:27:43] Voice 10: to the Ministry of, what's it called, Geological, that's what the Geological Black Business

[0:27:51] Voice 10: is called, and I talked to John, who works for them, I talked to all these people, I

[0:28:00] Voice 10: I was told, oh, the shale is stable.

[0:28:02] Voice 10: It won't fall off.

[0:28:05] Voice 10: You know, it's a stable kind of shale.

[0:28:09] Voice 10: The, oh, the DPA that we had investigated.

[0:28:13] Voice 10: Well, you know, it's not really,

[0:28:15] Voice 10: we can't really consider it a DPA.

[0:28:17] Voice 10: It was a, I was going to swear, it's

[0:28:20] Voice 15: a wetland.

[0:28:22] Voice 10: I mean, it's always wet, et cetera.

[0:28:25] Voice 10: So

[0:28:26] Voice 19: the consequences of

[0:28:27] Voice 10: this particular one,

[0:28:29] Voice 10: which the Raincoast Conservancy put, it was about a quarter page ad in the Times-Colonist to make people aware of this going on.

[0:28:40] Voice 10: We had all kinds of press around it and nothing's changed.

[0:28:47] Voice 10: I don't understand how this can be done in a time when we know we have the information about the environment,

[0:28:54] Voice 10: the importance of trees and the importance of everything that lives around in the whole

[0:29:00] Voice 10: entire environment so i'm begging you to do something concrete i don't whatever is in your

[0:29:07] Voice 10: power to make regulations that so that was ongoing but so that it in the future

[0:29:13] Voice 19: we we have some

[0:29:14] Voice 19: protection thank you

[0:29:17] Voice 17: my name is

[0:29:26] Voice 12: alan we agree that i've been losing sleep over this property

[0:29:32] Voice 12: as well um extremely upset about her i can't seem to stop crying about it because i'm watching our

[0:29:40] Voice 12: island just disappear chunk by chunk it's like kelly said you know like if you want to go live

[0:29:46] Voice 12: in alberta and

[0:29:47] Voice 12: live on a prairie go do that but don't come here cut down our forests it's not just

[0:29:54] Voice 12: the biodiversity that i'm worried about we're living in unprecedented times right now staring

[0:29:58] Voice 12: staring down extinct.

[0:30:00] Voice 12: of all species and we live in an area where there's amazing biodiversity and cutting away

[0:30:06] Voice 12: habitat from underneath them and our human arrogance at this stage is just not on we

[0:30:12] Voice 12: wouldn't be facing extinction if we had any clue as human beings how to interact with our natural

[0:30:18] Voice 12: environment so i'm very worried about the biodiversity i'm worried that the dpas are

[0:30:25] Voice 12: being violated and trees are coming down when they ought not to be there's a stream that goes

[0:30:29] Voice 12: through there that apparently feeds the headwaters the

[0:30:32] Voice 10: head mark the headwater marshes of the

[0:30:34] Voice 10: medicine beach um this needs to be respected you know i'm really sick of human beings moving here

[0:30:42] Voice 10: and swaggering around but they own the place because according to us we do own the place

[0:30:46] Voice 10: we

[0:30:47] Voice 12: can do what we like and it's just enough we're not living in normal times i'm worried about the

[0:30:53] Voice 12: be a number of trees I'm seeing come down on that property drying out the forest that's a fire

[0:31:00] Voice 12: corridor in my opinion up there where we're living in a derogating trend that's not going away

[0:31:06] Voice 12: anytime soon thanks to climate change we're seeing hotter and hotter and hotter summers

[0:31:11] Voice 12: to be cutting out large chunks of forest like that just dries it all out it creates a fire hazard

[0:31:19] Voice 12: Especially that corridor going up and down into Magic Lake, which is the most populated part of the island.

[0:31:25] Voice 12: So I want to know if there are violations, and I understand that there have been many violations in the past.

[0:31:32] Voice 12: What kind of enforcement is actually happening?

[0:31:36] Voice 9: We're all sick of seeing that there's just no teeth to any kind of enforcement.

[0:31:41] Voice 9: We're just so sick of watching this again.

[0:31:44] Voice 10: um so yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna go thank you thank you

[0:31:54] Voice 3: yeah along the same vein i'm just wondering i'm after reading a submission that we got from our

[0:32:01] Voice 3: mla who um i think indicated that it's up to the highlands trust council to approach

[0:32:08] Voice 3: the provincial government to get you know handed the jurisdiction to actually enforce dpa

[0:32:15] Voice 3: is which apparently is not happening i mean i'm i'm no expert so i please correct me if i'm wrong

[0:32:22] Voice 3: but i mean i know there's operators on this island who publicly blatantly tell me epa

[0:32:35] Voice 20: i

[0:32:35] Voice 3: don't care you know one guy being trespassed to get onto a lot next to us and i said

[0:32:46] Voice 3: how come you're trespassing on this land to get to another parcel he said well the guy told me i

[0:32:55] Voice 3: could well he didn't have any jurisdiction i said how are you going to get out of here if we don't

[0:33:01] Voice 3: give you permission to go back out the same way you came in he said well i'll go straight through

[0:33:08] Voice 3: the dpa with my excavator that's how i'll get out so where does leave us we just go okay well no we

[0:33:15] Voice 3: can't do that you know then we're guilty of letting him destroy the dpa so we need to

[0:33:23] Voice 3: get some teeth onto this dpa thing the trust is becoming the laughing stock of this community

[0:33:32] Voice 3: and that's very sad to say because i'm a supporter of the trust i want these islands to be preserved

[0:33:40] Voice 3: in perpetuity not preserved for economy economic gain economic gain

[0:33:47] Voice 10: but the reason

[0:33:48] Voice 10: it was originally

[0:33:49] Voice 3: intended to be so my question is has the trust council

[0:33:54] Voice 3: approached the provincial government to get the jurisdiction to enforce these regulations thank you

[0:34:08] here

[0:34:09] Voice 10: with my grandson

[0:34:10] Voice 9: just to represent

[0:34:12] Voice 10: the generation that's coming and hopes

[0:34:15] Voice 9: to be able to

[0:34:16] Voice 9: survive and and um to enjoy

[0:34:20] Voice 10: this island and all its beauty so um i you know i won't say more

[0:34:25] Voice 10: because people have expressed the same feelings about about the clear-cut

[0:34:29] Voice 12: logging that you were

[0:34:30] Voice 12: so shocked to see a huge logging truck over there too there's a huge tree zone and a very terminal

[0:34:37] Voice 12: the other day and anyway so i'm speaking for the next generation thank you anybody else

[0:34:48] Voice 12: karen

[0:34:49] Voice 15: bell i've

[0:34:50] Voice 12: lived here almost six years with my husband up at the north end of

[0:34:54] Voice 12: north pender and along with joyce and many of our neighbors i've been part of the group

[0:34:59] Voice 12: making building awareness amongst the staff and trustees about the farm that joyce had referred

[0:35:07] Voice 12: to a property that's in your residential area that was permitted to build structure

[0:35:13] Voice 12: well beyond what was contemplated by the bylaw and what i wanted to do not to repeat what choice

[0:35:20] Voice 12: says but to add that the issues aren't simply the building the byproducts of this buildings

[0:35:28] Voice 12: two-story building that actually looks like a huge home is noise light and interference with

[0:35:39] Voice 12: other owners privacy the the noise apart from the building the building we all build we all

[0:35:46] Voice 12: create noise but the we don't know exactly what will be done in this building but we're told it

[0:35:51] Voice 12: will be something like a side read the indication is of a very commercial nature although the owner

[0:35:57] Voice 12: has said to the islands trust and documents that we obtained through an FOI request that

[0:36:03] Voice 12: it will be for private consumption but the plans that we've seen are housed tasting rooms still

[0:36:10] Voice 12: offices not at all the kind of farm building that was applied for anyway there's noise coming from

[0:36:19] Voice 12: that operation or we anticipate there will be noise there will be lighting beyond anyone's

[0:36:26] Voice 12: contemplation at a time when we're

[0:36:27] Voice 12: talking about the need for dark skies just the other days you

[0:36:31] Voice 12: can see did a fabulous piece on um not just the interference with our environment and a very

[0:36:39] Voice 12: first range of birds and animals and on light skies but also the uh interference with human

[0:36:45] Voice 12: sight uh more light affecting our our vision and then uh the security cameras that are being

[0:36:52] Voice 12: installed as we speak are pointed at in directions by this gentleman that interfere with the other

[0:37:00] Voice 12: landowners the security cameras may cover his property but they're also beaming into neighbors

[0:37:06] Voice 12: and that is certainly a breach of privacy so there are many issues coming out of that many

[0:37:12] Voice 12: trees beautiful trees were cut down there was no other farm-like building in place so all of the

[0:37:18] Voice 12: the issues that are coming up from five, you know, key points, whether it's logging, or flow of dirt

[0:37:28] Voice 12: off of hillsides, building buildings that shouldn't be there, all of these things that people have

[0:37:35] Voice 12: spoken to, they all intersect. It's all about protection and preserving our community. And what

[0:37:41] Voice 12: we have found, and you've heard it again, everyone is just people coming in who have no intention

[0:37:47] Voice 12: of locating in our community participating in our community this is where we get people been

[0:37:54] Voice 12: here for decades this is where we live we care about it so that is why we're all just speaking

[0:38:00] Voice 12: about it and looking to you as our trustees as our CRD as our staff all of whom are accountable

[0:38:07] Voice 12: to us to do something about these issues we're very serious about it mr. a said we're not going

[0:38:14] Voice 17: to

[0:38:14] Voice 12: let go and we have high expectations for your accountability as a collective thank

[0:38:20] Voice 10: you very much

[0:38:26] Voice 19: marianne parry um i have a feeling that a lot of what we're saying here today was said in was it

[0:38:34] Voice 19: 2004 2004 so that's almost 20 years ago um and you know many of us here have experienced those 20

[0:38:47] Voice 19: years and many of us here couldn't stand to see what was happening at fairy creek and went there

[0:38:54] Voice 19: to do something about it and we learned some very hard lessons there and so we are now seeing what

[0:39:03] Voice 19: happens at Barrier Creek happening in our own home again. Yes, I want to reiterate Andy's question.

[0:39:13] Voice 19: I would really like to hear where we're at in the process of the shifting of the power from the

[0:39:22] Voice 19: provincial to Islands Trust around these very issues. We could talk a lot about why it hasn't

[0:39:31] Voice 19: to happen sooner but i would like to hear an update i know that things are in process but i

[0:39:37] Voice 19: really want to hear where they're at now because a lot of us are activists and we want to do action

[0:39:44] Voice 19: and we don't know how to help you yes write the letters you said that i appreciate it paul i'm

[0:39:50] Voice 19: really glad to see you here because i can tell we these conversations happen have to happen

[0:39:55] Voice 19: among the different groups.

[0:39:58] Voice 19: But yeah, I really want to hear from you.

[0:40:02] Voice 19: What can we do?

[0:40:03] Voice 19: Because we're gonna do something that may not be helpful

[0:40:08] Voice 19: because we're really upset.

[0:40:10] Voice 19: And we would like to hear what we can do in your minds.

[0:40:14] Voice 19: Thank you.

[0:40:14] Voice 19: Well said.

[0:40:19] Voice 9: Julia Nichols.

[0:40:23] Voice 9: It seems to me that, you know, in your own words, David,

[0:40:28] Voice 9: he said we aren't talking enough i am talked out i am very talked out i went to that land

[0:40:38] Voice 9: and i saw trees i couldn't put my arms around not trees stumps i have been arrested at kinder

[0:40:47] Voice 9: morgan i have been arrested at fairy creek and i don't think there's anything about writing letters

[0:40:55] Voice 9: signing things talking you talk about um staff and how pieces of paper at the crd get sent in

[0:41:07] Voice 9: and they get from one step to another step we're all talking here uh we have talked amongst

[0:41:16] Voice 9: ourselves we have talked to you we have written letters we have signed petitions and this

[0:41:22] Voice 9: continues. What happened beside Leslie's property is unconscionable. And what has happened in it goes on some more. You have bylaws, they're not enforced. There are specific trees named that have, I think they're called DPAs, that they're not supposed to be put down. The laws are

[0:41:46] Voice 9: there, they're not enforced. My perception of what's going on right now,

[0:41:53] Voice 9: is that we're here talking to you you're all good people i think you're good people

[0:41:58] Voice 9: but you're doing you're not getting anything done because those trees are still coming down um

[0:42:08] Voice 9: i don't know what the answer is but this is an island logging trucks come over here

[0:42:15] Voice 9: how did they get here how did they get past us and pick up all those things we have there are

[0:42:23] Voice 9: abilities to stop this sort of thing. I think what's going on is that they're

[0:42:29] Voice 9: keeping us all busy talking to each other while big lobbyists are there

[0:42:35] Voice 9: making policy. Big money is making policy so that more and more of this can

[0:42:41] Voice 9: continue and it has to stop. That this happened twice in such a short time

[0:42:52] Voice 9: really

[0:42:53] Voice 9: upsets me.

[0:42:55] Voice 9: I think it's time

[0:42:57] Voice 9: for us all to get

[0:42:59] Voice 9: notification when logging trucks

[0:43:01] Voice 9: come over. I think

[0:43:03] Voice 9: this wouldn't happen without big

[0:43:05] Voice 9: machines. And it wouldn't happen

[0:43:07] Voice 9: without big money.

[0:43:09] Voice 9: And I think we have to go after

[0:43:11] Voice 9: the big money.

[0:43:13] Voice 9: When somebody gets property,

[0:43:16] Voice 9: they should be informed

[0:43:18] Voice 9: as to

[0:43:19] Voice 9: to what they can do.

[0:43:22] Voice 9: There has to be big fines.

[0:43:24] Voice 9: The fines should not just go to the property owner,

[0:43:27] Voice 9: which it should go to.

[0:43:29] Voice 9: The fines should also go to the people

[0:43:34] Voice 9: with the big machines.

[0:43:36] Voice 9: That would stop them.

[0:43:38] Voice 9: There are ways of doing this,

[0:43:40] Voice 9: and they're not even being done.

[0:43:42] Voice 9: We need teeth.

[0:43:45] Voice 9: We can, you know,

[0:43:46] Voice 9: eco justice and the sierra club just took it uh took the thing to the supreme court and it

[0:43:54] Voice 9: everybody agreed about what they were doing but didn't give them teeth

[0:44:02] Voice 9: uh and the problem is you have laws and they're being broken the government is breaking

[0:44:09] Voice 9: breaking its own laws. They put in laws that there would meet requirements and they've broken those

[0:44:18] Voice 9: laws. So what is it that's going to work? We're all good people, but we have a real load of rot

[0:44:30] Voice 9: up there making sure that people with big money can continue to destroy and ruin it for the next

[0:44:38] Voice 9: generation.

[0:44:39] Voice 10: Thank you very much. Sir.

[0:44:43] Voice 20: Gregory Nichols. I've been here for 30 years. My property

[0:44:51] Voice 20: out in Washington, someone bought the five acres next door, clear cut it. Someone had the 11 acres

[0:44:59] Voice 20: on the other side of the ridge, clear cut it. So this is just an ongoing thing. So I want to

[0:45:07] Voice 20: People say, you have a property on Penn Drive, which you bought because it's peaceful, it's quiet, a good place to either retire or bring up children.

[0:45:21] Voice 20: This is the kind of ambience you want.

[0:45:24] Voice 20: You have your property, lovely.

[0:45:26] Voice 20: Then someone buys a property next door, 10 acres.

[0:45:30] Voice 20: They clear cut it.

[0:45:33] Voice 20: Then they flip it.

[0:45:36] Voice 20: then someone else decides to buy it and actually build a house and they drill a well but there's

[0:45:43] Voice 20: not enough water so they frack it because they've learned that you've got a really good well and if

[0:45:50] Voice 20: they frack maybe they can tap off some of that water that's in the aquifer that you're in and

[0:45:57] Voice 20: then you your water is affected either by quantity or quality and then they say okay i've got my

[0:46:04] Voice 20: water, I've got my house, I've got my land, but ultimately I need a helicopter pad.

[0:46:09] Voice 20: Oh no!

[0:46:10] Voice 20: And then you think, oh wait a minute here, just beside my house I've got this beautiful old

[0:46:16] Voice 20: tree with an eagle's nest on top, and my little grandkids come and they say, oh can we see the

[0:46:21] Voice 20: eagle again around there, this, yeah, is that again? And suddenly, boom, boom, boom, every day,

[0:46:28] Voice 20: and it was not coming back.

[0:46:30] Voice 20: That's gone.

[0:46:32] Voice 20: This is all totally legal on Penrith.

[0:46:36] Voice 20: You can clear traps, you can frag,

[0:46:38] Voice 20: you can build helicopter paths on your property.

[0:46:40] Voice 20: What the hell is going on with preserve and protect?

[0:46:44] Voice 20: I know you need to have a jurisdiction,

[0:46:48] Voice 20: you need to have the teeth to stop this, to control it.

[0:46:53] Voice 20: So let's get working on that.

[0:46:56] Voice 20: Let's see some action.

[0:46:57] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:47:24] Voice 9: It's about the logging and you know I for quite a few years now I accepted the way things

[0:47:35] Voice 9: are and we said to each other the only way to protect land here is to buy it the only

[0:47:44] Voice 9: way so we bought an additional lot because of that we put covenant we're trying to finish a

[0:47:52] Voice 9: covenant extension 50 percent of the lot to live on and you know i'll go to my grave knowing that

[0:48:00] Voice 9: even if my kids don't want this and they sell it it's not going to be critical so that's empowering

[0:48:07] Voice 9: And we've had an idea that we should form a group of people with some resources to buy

[0:48:18] Voice 9: lots, put covenants on them, resell them so it's not too high risk.

[0:48:24] Voice 9: Well, the real estate values have made that experiment narrowly risky now.

[0:48:33] Voice 9: Artificial.

[0:48:34] Voice 9: and this is all because we're worshiping our culture worships at the altar private property

[0:48:42] Voice 9: right yeah individual private property rights so we can't say that well you can't cut every tree

[0:48:50] Voice 9: on that block and you can't you know because it's my land well it's not it's stolen land

[0:48:56] Voice 9: indigenous land

[0:48:58] Voice 11: the

[0:49:00] Voice 9: whole thing is massive i don't it's crazy now on saturn there was

[0:49:08] Voice 9: a massive logging starting over there and the community rose up it was the indigenous people

[0:49:17] Voice 9: trying to log their own land community grows up they blockaded it they have one indigenous person

[0:49:23] Voice 9: person with them that was the end of it it stopped but you know so somehow a blockade stops the

[0:49:31] Voice 9: indigenous from logging their land uh but we're not i guess because we don't know enough about

[0:49:40] Voice 9: logging starting these people are getting really quick and crafty about it we don't know

[0:49:48] Voice 9: Is it acceptable? Shall we just show up and kind of watch him? Is that what you want to do here?

[0:49:56] Voice 9: I don't want acrimony in this community. I didn't want to come today. I need to find peace, but I have to show up.

[0:50:07] Voice 9: and this is like if if you had a way of becoming more um effective with

[0:50:17] Voice 9: you know being able to have uh uh enforcement we wouldn't have to be thinking about all this watch

[0:50:26] Voice 9: count stuff but in the meantime

[0:50:28] Voice 9: it's like well how are we going to find out when this is about

[0:50:30] Voice 9: up next time we can stop. I

[0:50:34] Voice 10: don't want to be doing that. Please,

[0:50:38] Voice 9: I'm begging you, if there's anything you can do, we would welcome it. The problem with staying here so long is, for me, it's made me deeply rooted in this fire. Deeply rooted. And I can't explain to you what that feels like. Except that it keeps me here. I don't leave. But it's

[0:51:05] Voice 9: You start to understand a place, capital P, when you write your bat law, and it gives you another perspective that I think you just, it's hard for people to understand, they just want income and money and, you know.

[0:51:24] Voice 9: Anyway, that's all.

[0:51:26] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:51:27] Voice 9: Thank you for listening.

[0:51:28] Voice 9: My name

[0:51:32] Voice 10: is Erin Young, and what so many of my neighbors have shared about environmental concerns with regard to the clear plumbing and how

[0:51:43] Voice 12: that can affect the watersheds,

[0:51:45] Voice 12: that have a impact for all of our non-human neighbors and for our human neighbors.

[0:51:51] Voice 12: We're all impacted. We're impacted right now.

[0:51:55] Voice 12: The children, their children, everybody is impacted.

[0:51:59] Voice 12: captured. And I think what we're seeing here at the local level

[0:52:03] Voice 12: is a microcosm of what

[0:52:06] Voice 19: we're seeing at the provincial level

[0:52:08] Voice 19: with,

[0:52:09] Voice 12: you know,

[0:52:10] Voice 19: we're getting talked about, oh, yes, we're

[0:52:12] Voice 19: going to implement all of the old growth strategic review

[0:52:16] Voice 19: recommendations, talk them on, talk them on, talk them on,

[0:52:20] Voice 19: instead, spend $50 million arresting and brutalizing

[0:52:24] Voice 19: same people who are trying to stand up

[0:52:26] Voice 10: we're also seeing it at the national level you know trudeau

[0:52:31] comes in with um

[0:52:33] Voice 19: creating a

[0:52:34] Voice 12: ministry about climate change

[0:52:36] Voice 19: and then just signs in pipeline after

[0:52:39] Voice 12: pipeline after pipeline and

[0:52:41] Voice 19: this is the same thing that's happening here and i'm deeply concerned

[0:52:47] Voice 19: And I also think it's incredibly arrogant, like some people have spoken about like, yes,

[0:52:54] this is

[0:52:55] Voice 12: stolen Indigenous land, these so-called property owners, like even by the colonial

[0:53:02] Voice 12: laws, BC doesn't own BC, like there haven't been treaties,

[0:53:08] Voice 10: there's no rule of sale.

[0:53:09] Voice 10: Even by the colonial laws, this is

[0:53:13] Voice 19: stolen land, left alone by Indigenous laws.

[0:53:16] Voice 19: And also, when you consider, like, I think that from what I understand about Indigenous relationship to land,

[0:53:27] Voice 19: it's not a matter of ownership, it's a matter of relationship, stewardship.

[0:53:32] Voice 19: And I think that's what's missing. That's what is destroying the world we live in.

[0:53:38] Voice 19: and it's arrogant to other humans it's arrogant to the land itself to the plants the animals

[0:53:46] Voice 19: and my question is while we all stand here and talk and more logging happens

[0:53:52] Voice 19: more

[0:53:53] Voice 10: water is poisoned like how little rain have we seen this year what the heck is that

[0:54:00] Voice 10: and it just keeps getting worse so while we talk and log

[0:54:05] Voice 19: you know what is our plan

[0:54:07] Voice 19: What is our plan for

[0:54:07] Voice 12: the future? What is our plan for when there is no more water, there is no more forest, when the cascading effects of species

[0:54:18] Voice 10: disappearing, impacting other species, impacting other species?

[0:54:23] Voice 10: You know, what then? What exactly is our plan? Thank you.

[0:54:27] Voice 10: my name

[0:54:36] Voice 18: is john allen i've lived on pender for 30 years and i am so sad about what i've seen

[0:54:46] Voice 18: happen and what is happening to the natural environment so i'm asking the trust to really

[0:54:55] Voice 18: really act on the mandate of preserve and protect.

[0:55:02] Voice 18: So who does the trust represent?

[0:55:06] Voice 18: Does it represent the people of the islands or does it really represent the mandate?

[0:55:14] Voice 18: Shouldn't its focus be on the mandate of preserve and protect and shouldn't it put the people

[0:55:25] Voice 18: actually second, because this is really about the environment. The environment can't talk to us

[0:55:36] Voice 18: directly. It talks to us in the drought when the watershed is lowered. So somebody near where I

[0:55:46] Voice 18: live on Pirates Road logged his area and had no real understanding of what that did to our well.

[0:55:57] Voice 18: So our well and people along where I live, the wells went down six feet because the riparian zone

[0:56:06] Voice 18: no longer exists because the trees have been logged. So I want the trust to really focus

[0:56:15] Voice 18: on the mandate of preserve and protect

[0:56:18] Voice 18: and start putting in laws

[0:56:21] Voice 18: that don't let people buy eight acre lots,

[0:56:26] Voice 18: 10 acre lots and log them and then sell the land back.

[0:56:31] Voice 18: So that's my request to the trust

[0:56:35] Voice 18: to begin to focus on the environment.

[0:56:39] Voice 18: That's what the trust is about.

[0:56:41] Voice 18: but these islands are really not for people.

[0:56:44] Voice 18: They are for preserve and protect the environment.

[0:56:50] Voice 18: And we know the environment,

[0:56:53] Voice 18: even on Greenland is being destroyed in the world.

[0:56:57] Voice 18: So let's not destroy the environment on Pender Island

[0:57:02] Voice 18: where we live, our children are going to live,

[0:57:05] Voice 18: our grandchildren.

[0:57:06] Voice 18: So trust, please put environment as your first mandate and act on it.

[0:57:16] Voice 18: We can't have nothing occur like 2004 and Houston Road.

[0:57:22] Voice 18: It's still going on, 2022.

[0:57:26] Voice 18: And we're getting angry and upset and hurt and profoundly worried about the future.

[0:57:37] Voice 18: Anybody else?

[0:57:39] Trustee Maude: We run quite far into the town hall, so what I'll do is ask two trustees to sort of, we

[0:57:47] have a few predominantly issues, and then maybe we'll hand it

[0:57:49] Trustee Maude: over to our staff to sort

[0:57:52] Trustee Maude: of add their input, and then we can move forward.

[0:58:01] Voice 5: As it's become apparent prior to this meeting, during this week, it's a big, big topic, trees

[0:58:10] Voice 5: on our island and the development that is going on and and one of the things coming through the

[0:58:17] Voice 5: election process and getting to sit down and talk to people and hear where they're at with things is

[0:58:24] Voice 5: that there's a concern for our environment and protecting what it is that we have had and what

[0:58:32] Voice 5: we currently have against what sort of what the future looks like

[0:58:36] Voice 3: as

[0:58:37] Voice 5: we go into it and and it

[0:58:40] Voice 5: But being new coming into it and trying to navigate through what is possible, I feel for everybody that has spoken because it seems very, almost in a sense, hopeless being in this position where you don't necessarily see what the tools are that you have to affect the change.

[0:59:07] Voice 5: and it does seem like activism in a sense is something that has died in in our society people

[0:59:18] Voice 5: were very very outwardly vocal in the past um and like 60s and 70s and stuff like that like that

[0:59:27] Voice 5: created change and that created where people were able to get up in front of the news and

[0:59:35] Voice 5: and get exposure for issues,

[0:59:39] Voice 5: we've turned to dealing with things on Facebook.

[0:59:44] Voice 5: And really, it's a microcosm issue

[0:59:50] Voice 5: in the broader scheme of, say, Canada.

[0:59:55] Voice 5: You know, the Gulf Islands are small,

[0:59:58] Voice 5: but we tend to...

[1:00:00] Voice 5: to take a small approach as well to what it is that we try to get changed and I think we can do

[1:00:10] Voice 5: some things and we can push at the trust council level to try to get a tree cutting authority if

[1:00:18] Voice 5: that is the direct the direction to go to get it there will be provincially there will be rules

[1:00:24] Voice 5: and regulations involved in that as to what we can we can and we can't do um and it's a big

[1:00:34] Voice 5: it's a big topic there are personal rights and freedoms for people to buy a lot and clear-cut

[1:00:40] Voice 5: it edge to edge and that is their right the way that it's set up for um having having land and

[1:00:52] Voice 5: being able to do whatever they want and we have to find a way i think to educate people

[1:00:58] Voice 5: on the local level somebody was saying you know to know that a piece of property has been sold

[1:01:03] Voice 5: and to educate the people that bought that piece of property as to what it is that they're buying

[1:01:09] Voice 5: the place on 4815 schooner it's right in the advertisement for sale that that property would

[1:01:18] Voice 5: has excellent merchantable timber i think is the words that are on like it was it

[1:01:23] Voice 10: was it was sold

[1:01:25] Voice 5: as a piece of property to to lock and that there would be funds that you could recover from that

[1:01:32] Voice 5: and that and that is something that is public and that is something that people can see

[1:01:37] Voice 5: and it didn't take more than about two emails to see that that was how it had been sold and so

[1:01:45] Voice 5: So when we have those things, we do as a community need to do better for our community and defend why we all moved to this island.

[1:02:02] Voice 5: Nobody moved here historically to log a piece of land.

[1:02:09] Voice 5: island. I love the idea of people putting their places into covenants and being able to control

[1:02:16] Voice 5: what the future of that piece of property is going to be. For my father and I, when we bought

[1:02:23] Voice 5: the old airstrip, which is an agricultural piece of land that wasn't being used as agriculture,

[1:02:28] Voice 5: we agreed to ourselves that there's a whole section of trees along the side of the watershed

[1:02:33] Voice 5: and that we won't ever go in and touch unless it's to clean up dead standing

[1:02:39] Voice 5: people have to make those decisions to to do those things for themselves but we as an island

[1:02:46] Voice 5: also have to work to educate people we as trustees need to work to see what we could what we can do

[1:02:54] Voice 5: to get teeth to be able to protect what the uniqueness and the environment is that we live in

[1:03:00] Voice 5: and see see how that can be balanced and not turn into phenom or whistler or into a place where we

[1:03:09] Voice 5: have regulated ourselves back into a corner where the only people that can afford to live here

[1:03:14] Voice 5: are very very wealthy people um because we've driven the prices of the property up so high that

[1:03:23] Voice 5: no one can ever afford to be here and it's it's an overwhelming it is an overwhelming

[1:03:31] Voice 5: position to be in and i think that you know conversations for deb and i to have will be

[1:03:37] Voice 5: how do we affect a positive change for us and how do we work towards that and and make sure that

[1:03:43] Voice 5: that people are educated coming here to respect where they're moving to um yeah if we if i don't

[1:03:54] Voice 5: know that we can get control of that from the provincial government i've seen an email from

[1:04:00] Voice 5: adam olson and his feelings on it and it to me it seems like there is a certain amount of work

[1:04:06] Voice 5: that needs to be done on the trust itself before we would be able to get that kind of authority

[1:04:22] Voice 9: So I hear you Allison, but I do want to make sure that we have some meetings to be able

[1:04:27] Voice 9: to talk about this.

[1:04:30] Trustee Maude: Did you want to get anything from the partners?

[1:04:33] Voice 10: Can

[1:04:33] Voice 9: we do that?

[1:04:34] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:04:34] Trustee Maude: Do you want to tie it in?

[1:04:36] Trustee Maude: Okay, that's it.

[1:04:37] Trustee Maude: Okay, and then we'll come back to the partner.

[1:04:39] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[1:04:39] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:04:41] Voice 9: So forestry, a couple of things I need to name right up front because people will always

[1:04:45] Voice 9: positioned me as an academic and you know it all and i've heard a lot of things related to this

[1:04:50] Voice 9: um my great grandfather was red morrison he logged in desolation sound my grandfather was

[1:04:56] Voice 9: walter morrison he followed him and then had the wet sort on gambier island i come from a family

[1:05:01] Voice 9: who has a logging history on this coast who has a settler colonial history on this coast

[1:05:06] Voice 9: and i was still raised and taught that the environment is something to protect

[1:05:11] Voice 9: that we don't go for industrial logging if we can avoid a period actually not just on the islands

[1:05:17] Voice 9: but period that we think about different ways to engage in that activity and I've spent four years

[1:05:24] Voice 9: for the concern around forestry digging into all the like appropriate polite diplomatic ways

[1:05:30] Voice 9: to try and engage in the issue around forest management I would not and I will never frame

[1:05:37] Voice 9: it strictly as tree cutting because that's not the issue we're naming here we're naming forest

[1:05:43] Voice 9: health we're naming ecosystem health water health we're naming issues of community consultation

[1:05:51] Voice 9: before we see any type of clear cutting we're just we're naming a community ethic a representation

[1:05:57] Voice 9: that we have in this area frankly i am deeply frustrated with the multiple level of government

[1:06:07] Voice 9: problem that we're facing. And I have been told multiple times that we have to go this way,

[1:06:11] Voice 9: or that we have to go that way, and it has to be trust counsel, but trust counsel doesn't always

[1:06:14] Voice 9: agree on what the mandate is, all these things. And here we continue to see. So just to be clear,

[1:06:22] Voice 9: we are now talking about Clisson Road, Pirates Road, Schooner Road, multiple lots across Magic

[1:06:31] Voice 9: Lake. This is not a one-off effort. It's not a short period of time. I talked with Adam Wilson

[1:06:36] Voice 9: in a few weeks ago about this he and i agree about like the problem statement the challenge is what

[1:06:43] Voice 9: do we do right so in terms of what we do there's an issue we talk about it we bring it up as a

[1:06:51] Voice 9: lobbying issue everybody comes and cuts their odds that's a normative thing that's what happens we

[1:06:56] Voice 9: see it again and again so i move that the north pender local trust committee prohibit logging

[1:07:02] Voice 9: on all areas of Mark Packer Island to facilitate appropriate intergovernmental decisions to be made about forest protection on the island.

[1:07:10] Voice 9: Logging shall be defined as the cutting of more than one tree per acre per year.

[1:07:17] Voice 9: I move.

[1:07:18] Voice 9: I agree.

[1:07:20] Voice 9: Yes.

[1:07:20] Voice 17: Second it.

[1:07:21] Voice 9: Please don't comment. This is a public meeting. I understand what you're saying, but I do want to maintain appropriate department.

[1:07:29] Voice 9: all right so

[1:07:30] Trustee Maude: do you want to email me on that i

[1:07:32] Voice 9: emailed it to brad and kim and robert and i

[1:07:36] Voice 9: completely understand so i'll just put that on the table wait for a second for conversation i know

[1:07:41] Voice 9: there's a lot of problems with that so second doesn't mean you agree it just means it's open

[1:07:48] Voice 9: for discussion also

[1:07:49] Trustee Maude: so second discussion um do you want to kick it over the staff so they can

[1:07:56] Trustee Maude: comment on it i

[1:07:57] Voice 9: just want to talk about this

[1:07:58] Trustee Maude: for one second so

[1:07:59] Voice 9: i completely understand and i know

[1:08:02] Voice 9: staff are going to annoy me pretty much on

[1:08:04] Voice 9: the table that we have no jurisdiction for

[1:08:06] Voice 9: they legally will be challenged i get it all okay the problem being that i cannot find another

[1:08:14] Voice 9: method to do this that is going to instigate a political uproar in a way that actually will

[1:08:20] Voice 9: get something freaking done at other levels of government so i don't know what else to do so

[1:08:26] Voice 9: So I'm not saying we don't log ever on this island,

[1:08:29] Voice 9: to be frank and to be clear about that,

[1:08:31] Voice 9: but we need conversations to get this moving

[1:08:33] Voice 9: on a conversation of what

[1:08:35] Voice 9: rail force national looks like.

[1:08:36] Voice 9: So that's where I'm at.

[1:08:38] Voice 9: I'm frustrated.

[1:08:45] Trustee Maude: Just pass it to staff for some comment on this.

[1:08:49] Voice 17: Because I

[1:08:49] Trustee Maude: think we're somewhat out of order

[1:08:53] Trustee Maude: and far out of jurisdiction.

[1:08:56] Trustee Maude: Yep, totally.

[1:08:57] Trustee Maude: Let's pass it to our

[1:08:59] Trustee Maude: professionals.

[1:09:00] Voice 8: So I don't see if there's any way

[1:09:01] Voice 8: way that we would ever be able to enforce this basis to enforce it yeah

[1:09:06] Voice 10: well

[1:09:08] Voice 5: and and then I

[1:09:10] Voice 5: think that speaks back to part of a frustration that is already there is is with um the idea that

[1:09:19] Voice 5: DPA was supposed to have done something to start with and it doesn't seem to mean are we just

[1:09:28] Voice 5: just making uh it's a or just making a rule for the sake of making a rule that we aren't going to

[1:09:38] Voice 5: be able to do anything about i don't know that that really that provides any comfort at the end

[1:09:43] Voice 5: of the day i mean if it had if it has teeth then it has value

[1:09:54] Voice 9: yeah so

[1:09:59] Voice 13: yeah i agree with you

[1:10:00] Voice 9: completely and i've been working to think about how we have teeth about how we do this and how

[1:10:05] Voice 9: we do that for four years and for and so this is not a motion that i think about in those terms

[1:10:13] Voice 9: this is a political statement from our ltc saying we have got to freaking stop blocking clear-cut

[1:10:18] Voice 9: logging on this island and we it's not saying that we're going to like stop it forever it's

[1:10:23] Voice 9: saying we need a conversation explicitly in the motion is saying we need a conversation about that

[1:10:28] Voice 9: and we've tried to push it up to trust council but the conversation at trust council is very

[1:10:32] Voice 9: complicated because the islands are all very different we need to have it here because we

[1:10:37] Voice 9: are losing ground here right now and we have been for some time like we are becoming a very easy

[1:10:44] Voice 9: target for people to come and do exactly what they're doing i had a conversation with the person

[1:10:49] Voice 9: on pirates road he had no qualms at all about what he did the guy who originally logged in and like

[1:10:56] Voice 9: was just like oh well you know and i'm like really like they are not members of our community who are

[1:11:01] Voice 9: generally doing this you know and so i have a really deep concern with what's going on

[1:11:07] Voice 9: and i don't want to inhibit your average person here from both cutting firewood on their acreage

[1:11:12] Voice 9: like whatever like we can figure that out and we can resolve that that's not what we're talking

[1:11:17] Voice 9: about but we need some mechanism to at least like push forward on a political level strictly on a

[1:11:25] Voice 9: political level with other levels of government and we got nothing right now yeah

[1:11:30] Voice 5: i just think

[1:11:31] Voice 5: that it has to we need to sort of define what that motion is to to spell like kind of to spell

[1:11:39] Voice 5: that out because we do end up and i have experienced this on pender and in my short time here

[1:11:48] Voice 5: if if we state one thing it will be used for everything right like like if you say one tree

[1:11:57] Voice 5: per every time some

[1:11:59] Voice 5: a chainsaw fires up there's going to be a bylaw enforcement issue

[1:12:03] Voice 5: like literally i feel like that's where it would be moved that specificness of it that would would

[1:12:12] Voice 5: be where it would move it to and i don't think anybody wants to live in that kind of an

[1:12:16] Voice 5: environment either where the you know is it a chainsaw is it a lawnmower is it you know like

[1:12:24] Voice 5: like i think that that we need to define the specificness of the motion better than just one

[1:12:30] Voice 5: tree per acre per year and i'm happy to take

[1:12:33] Voice 9: that out like that last sentence and just put it

[1:12:36] Voice 9: logging but that leaves a bit more nebulous so

[1:12:38] Trustee Maude: just two things one can you email it so she can

[1:12:42] Trustee Maude: get it up on the screen so because i don't know if i know that

[1:12:45] Trustee Maude: it's pat todd

[1:12:53] Trustee Maude: the other thing are we because of the depth the complexity of this i know what time is timing

[1:13:01] Trustee Maude: but is it better to do this notice the motion and and sort of get it sort of through the process so

[1:13:09] Trustee Maude: the next meeting we actually have something we can vote on that staff can sort of give the feedback

[1:13:15] Trustee Maude: for us because we're a little bit on the fly here yeah and

[1:13:18] Trustee Maude: this is this is a little bit really

[1:13:19] Trustee Maude: really we're going down the rabbit hole pretty far yeah

[1:13:22] Voice 9: and i totally understand that and i am

[1:13:26] Voice 9: i personally am unwilling to do that just because of the current long-term like because this is like

[1:13:34] Voice 9: like we we should have been doing this when it happened on pirates

[1:13:38] Voice 9: can i

[1:13:40] Trustee Maude: suggest that we have a background now from violent enforcement and from staff from

[1:13:45] Trustee Maude: the planners as to where we are where we should be and where we can go so

[1:13:52] Voice 9: are you talking in this

[1:13:53] Voice 9: meeting yeah

[1:13:54] Trustee Maude: but basically basically so

[1:13:55] Voice 9: we can defer this to the end of the meeting yeah so

[1:13:57] Trustee Maude: So what I'm saying is at this point in time, we've got a motion on the floor.

[1:14:03] Trustee Maude: And so there's a lot of background that maybe we get some clarification that sort of might satisfy, maybe not.

[1:14:11] Trustee Maude: So can we just go around with the planners and bylaw enforcement, just get their feedback and their opinions,

[1:14:17] Trustee Maude: both as the current situation and the proposed motion as to what we can do with all this stuff.

[1:14:24] Trustee Maude: so so chair

[1:14:25] Voice 22: i'll give you the background i was on the property this morning talking with the uh

[1:14:30] Voice 22: property owners doing the development um from their that conversation it's an eight acre property

[1:14:37] Voice 22: approximately three acres have been cut to prepare a building site and a road to that building site

[1:14:43] Voice 22: uh there is no new cutting going on the cutting happened last week so no more trees are coming

[1:14:49] Voice 22: coming down uh there's no plans to cut any more trees at this time there are trucks going in to

[1:14:56] Voice 22: load up the lumber that has been cut the majority of the lot is outside of any development permit

[1:15:02] Voice 22: area so there were currently no current permit required uh to do any type of development or tree

[1:15:09] Voice 22: cutting there were two uh Raptor nest DPAs on the property the previous property owners when they

[1:15:19] Voice 22: were getting the property prepared for sale did get a biologist report that exempted one of those

[1:15:26] Voice 22: areas from any tree cutting however there is the one area where they will need to get a permit

[1:15:33] Voice 22: for the work that has been done or to do any new work within the one dpa uh so the

[1:15:42] Voice 22: the current owners were under the impression that an application had been somehow applied for or

[1:15:48] Voice 22: or processed through Islands Trust.

[1:15:51] Voice 22: There may be some confusion there

[1:15:52] Voice 22: as to the original property owners

[1:15:55] Voice 22: believing that that exemption was broader

[1:15:57] Voice 22: than what it may have been.

[1:16:00] Voice 22: And that's an issue that the seller and the buyer

[1:16:03] Voice 22: are going to have to sort out.

[1:16:05] Voice 22: But there is a contravention where they do need a permit.

[1:16:08] Voice 22: The new owners are cooperative.

[1:16:10] Voice 22: They have every intention

[1:16:12] Voice 22: of going through the application process

[1:16:14] Voice 22: to apply for any necessary permits and to do any necessary remediation that the ltc requests

[1:16:23] Voice 22: there's a small stream on the property which they are aware of and they're trying to maintain and

[1:16:29] Voice 22: i can see no threat to that stream they want to make sure that it's clear and clean they're fully

[1:16:35] Voice 22: aware that it goes down to medicine beach and then there are setback regulations and you know

[1:16:41] Voice 22: setbacks are required for many wetlands on that property so just right now they're

[1:16:48] Voice 22: you seem very conscious and cooperative and acknowledge that any necessary permits

[1:16:57] Voice 22: should have been applied for before any of the work was done but they believe that process

[1:17:03] Voice 22: process had at least been initiated by the previous owners now do you have any sort of

[1:17:09] Voice 22: feedback as to the business statements that were made the dpas were not reinforced so any dpa

[1:17:17] Voice 22: complaint that we receive we open the file and investigate we take whatever enforcement action

[1:17:23] Voice 22: can take and we request and sometimes need to demand that people apply for permits

[1:17:30] Voice 22: now unfortunately we can't at this time issue any uh violation ticket or bylaw notice for work

[1:17:38] Voice 22: that's done without a permit that's not something the province has given really any local government

[1:17:43] Voice 22: clear ability to do uh we're still you know

[1:17:47] Voice 22: have a request in to the province to try and rectify that

[1:17:50] Voice 22: so that there'll be some clear mechanism that gives local governments like island stress clear

[1:17:56] Voice 22: authority to issue you know uh contravention tickets of some type uh viola notice whatever

[1:18:04] Voice 22: it may be that you know you've contravened the mama and here's your penalty for doing that

[1:18:09] Voice 22: right now the option is legal action by the local trust committee either a charge under the offense

[1:18:15] Voice 22: act because work was done by both the contractor and the property owner without a permit or a

[1:18:20] Voice 22: notice of civil claim in bc supreme court if they don't get the proper uh permit that they are

[1:18:26] Voice 22: required i

[1:18:29] Voice 4: understand i would just add that it's my understanding that there's been efforts at ubcm

[1:18:36] Voice 4: by regional districts and incorporated areas to seek more powers through the development permit

[1:18:43] Voice 4: authorization process and that blanket tree cutting development permit area has not been

[1:18:50] Voice 4: the courts have not uh allowed that the development permit areas need to be to be

[1:18:57] Voice 4: specifically focused to a particular environmental protection and so a blanket tree protection

[1:19:02] Voice 4: mechanism uh has not been uh authorized uh municipalities have within the community

[1:19:08] Voice 4: charter additional broader powers that allow them to create tree cutting permit uh regulations that

[1:19:15] Voice 4: the regional districts and the islands just does not have and so i think in the longer term the

[1:19:23] Voice 4: the advocacy obviously that's not gonna be the quick solution

[1:19:27] Voice 4: that you're looking for in this motion,

[1:19:29] Voice 4: but well, it's unenforceable in the sense

[1:19:35] Voice 4: that we don't have the enforcement authority

[1:19:39] Voice 4: to regulate logging except in those DPA areas.

[1:19:43] Voice 4: So I think the longer term solution would be to,

[1:19:47] Voice 4: and recognizing that up to now the province

[1:19:51] Voice 4: says it's been a solution that's been proposed for a long time is that uh unincorporated areas

[1:19:57] Voice 4: gain some of those same additional powers that um municipalities have to regulate tree cutting

[1:20:04] Voice 4: so that if

[1:20:05] Voice 11: you had those

[1:20:05] Voice 4: powers here on the island you could then

[1:20:07] Voice 11: require

[1:20:09] Voice 4: that every tree in the

[1:20:11] Voice 4: sense just like you can see the victorian tree removal is is a requirement but that's that

[1:20:17] Voice 4: up that's a different that's a longer more challenging obviously bureaucratic road to go

[1:20:23] Voice 4: down but i don't see an immediate pathway to you other than through an advocacy type motion

[1:20:31] Voice 4: getting where this motion is trying to get you so

[1:20:36] Voice 8: i sort of see three things being considered here

[1:20:38] Voice 8: one is the enforcement of the current regulations so we're spoken to that and there's some mechanisms

[1:20:44] Voice 8: mechanisms there that you can pursue further under the circumstance the second is your

[1:20:50] Voice 8: existing authorities that could go in permit areas now they've been in place for 15 years

[1:20:56] in most cases do you want to look at expanding those do you want to look at reviewing those as

[1:21:03] a project and the third is what has been talked about is also advocating for

[1:21:09] Voice 8: more powers they're

[1:21:10] Voice 8: trying to get the powers of um like a tree cutting bylaw that a municipality has the sort of three

[1:21:18] Voice 8: levels in which this issue is incapable can i

[1:21:25] Voice 9: just get one clarification so for the

[1:21:29] Voice 9: current dpas that exist because i looked them up right away when i heard about this so um for the

[1:21:36] Voice 9: current dpas that exist are you saying that there has been no encroachment by logging into those

[1:21:41] Voice 9: those current setbacks or raptor nest areas so

[1:21:45] Voice 22: through the chair yes there are contraventions

[1:21:47] Voice 22: there they have cut in areas that if both were not exempt would be a contravention require a

[1:21:53] Voice 22: permit and

[1:21:54] Voice 9: they're exempt because of the biology permit so

[1:21:57] Voice 22: the bio the report done by the for the

[1:21:59] Voice 22: previous property owner exempted the heron and eagle nest site but did not exempt the osprey

[1:22:05] Voice 22: site so any cutting that has occurred in the osprey site they need they still need a permit

[1:22:10] Voice 22: for that unless I mean if they get if another biologist goes on the site and says okay you

[1:22:16] Voice 22: don't have that original exemption then they would have to get a permit for both areas instead of

[1:22:21] Voice 22: just one okay

[1:22:22] Voice 3: so

[1:22:23] Voice 22: that recommendation would come from the registered biologist

[1:22:26] Voice 9: so this is also

[1:22:27] Voice 9: tied up in my concern that I've mentioned multiple times to you Robert and then

[1:22:32] Voice 9: we've mentioned at

[1:22:32] Voice 9: trust council about our professional reliance model so it's another issue that we'll talk

[1:22:37] Voice 9: about the conservancy as a biologist for the conservancy just

[1:22:41] Voice 4: to add so the biologist stated

[1:22:44] Voice 4: that the uh the eagle tree it's a dead tree and it's it's been it's conditioned uh it would not

[1:22:52] Voice 4: have the capacity to hold the nests in its failing condition whereas the the other tree while it's

[1:23:00] Voice 4: not active it still has the potential to be active in the future given and still has the structure

[1:23:06] Voice 4: or integrity to to house the nest that's in the that's in the osprey so the the osprey tree still

[1:23:14] Voice 4: has the structural integrity to potentially host a future nest so it is deemed not exempt

[1:23:22] Voice 4: but the eagle tree because the condition of the tree essentially has no eagles nest now and does

[1:23:28] Voice 4: not have the capacity to sustain a nest in the future the language in the development permit

[1:23:34] Voice 4: permit guidelines allow an exemption for that.

[1:23:36] Voice 4: So the permit is not required for that,

[1:23:38] Voice 4: but I think there is logging in the Osprey.

[1:23:41] Voice 22: Yes, both

[1:23:42] Voice 22: through the chapter is logging.

[1:23:44] Voice 22: That has occurred in both DPAs

[1:23:48] Voice 22: as they're originally outlined in the OCD.

[1:23:50] Voice 22: So

[1:23:50] Trustee Maude: from a law enforcement standpoint,

[1:23:53] Trustee Maude: you are basically, you put them on notice,

[1:23:57] Trustee Maude: you've told them they had to apply for a permit

[1:23:59] Trustee Maude: and not to proceed any further until they have a permit.

[1:24:01] Trustee Maude: so that's where we're sitting right now yes

[1:24:04] Voice 9: all right okay hold on one sec let's keep going here

[1:24:11] Voice 9: okay okay

[1:24:13] Voice 10: so

[1:24:14] Voice 9: so what we're facing is another remedial commitment this is not the first time

[1:24:17] Voice 9: and it's deeply frustrating so i understand all the issues of enforcement i'm gonna lose

[1:24:25] Voice 9: shit about this seriously like okay sorry but this is literally the issue facing us for the future

[1:24:37] Voice 9: like we have got to cut through the bureaucracy on this we've got to find a way because we have

[1:24:45] Voice 9: been working on this in multiple different tangents here on this island like we can i agree with you

[1:24:51] Voice 9: brad like we can go at it from a water preservation protection which we are thinking about doing

[1:24:56] Voice 9: moving right like recharge areas or whatever like that kind of move great let's let's do that every

[1:25:02] Voice 9: time we instigate a project and i hear you and i understand the complexities of the trust but

[1:25:06] Voice 9: every time we instigate a project it's another couple years of like this and that and the other

[1:25:10] Voice 9: thing and i get how that works trees are still coming down in our community around that okay

[1:25:16] Voice 9: and larger and so one of the things i think that a moratorium could do at a minimum would be just

[1:25:24] Voice 9: require people to come and like talk to us like if we even had this landowner come forward and

[1:25:32] Voice 9: just have a conversation with us as trustees it would have been a totally different thing

[1:25:37] Voice 9: we could have actually had a community conversation we could have like

[1:25:41] Voice 9: thought about it

[1:25:42] Voice 9: like it's just something is required and i get that a moratorium is not the

[1:25:47] Voice 9: most smooth thing we could advocate we can write letters we can do education oh my gosh we're doing

[1:25:52] Voice 9: we're doing a lot of that already okay so what we're not doing is really hearing the frustration

[1:26:00] Voice 9: that is going on radically across this island and it's not universal lots of people have individual

[1:26:06] Voice 9: property rights like you know perspectives on this but can we at least try to have a conversation

[1:26:13] Voice 9: more deeply in our community about this before we continue to love there was

[1:26:16] Voice 9: a moratorium on

[1:26:17] Voice 9: south pender on sdprs um i don't understand exactly why this is a different mechanism

[1:26:23] Voice 9: i get the enforcement issue i would like to understand from staff how galliano's

[1:26:28] Voice 9: forest dpa thing because didn't they do a like uh i don't know i know there was some questions

[1:26:34] Voice 9: about whether it was enforceable

[1:26:36] Voice 8: sorry which one uh

[1:26:37] Voice 9: galliano they've done a forest related

[1:26:43] Voice 9: Yeah,

[1:26:44] Voice 8: there's specific to lots of exemptions to something that could be that sort of the

[1:26:50] Voice 8: second enforcement, there's your current powers, and then there's additional power. So within

[1:26:56] Voice 8: your current powers, looking at something broader in terms of development.

[1:27:00] Voice 8: from there this could be an option so

[1:27:03] Trustee Maude: my suggestion is is literally is that you're

[1:27:08] Trustee Maude: better off doing this noticeable emotion working with staff over between this the next meeting

[1:27:13] Trustee Maude: and crafting something heavy-handed that works because this is heavy-handed and it sounds like

[1:27:20] Trustee Maude: it doesn't work so it's symbolic but but you know it doesn't it doesn't do anything versus you know

[1:27:27] Trustee Maude: maybe we have some wonderful staff that think way outside the box and maybe between

[1:27:34] Trustee Maude: the two groups can sort of craft something that actually might have teeth that could do something

[1:27:42] Trustee Maude: so

[1:27:42] Voice 9: i'm happy to do that as well and to replace this motion in two months but i'm not really

[1:27:47] Voice 9: I

[1:27:49] Voice 4: don't honestly see a heavy-handed tool that we have to so this mode like creating some kind

[1:28:02] Voice 4: of moratorium uh absent of uh enforcement authority it's really just a it really is

[1:28:12] Voice 4: just an advocacy motion at the end of it but but but if it's but if it reflects at least the

[1:28:18] Voice 4: trustees or the trust committee's view on the matter that it has some merit and

[1:28:25] Trustee Maude: to be clear

[1:28:26] Trustee Maude: are there any legal gratifications to adopting something that's not enforcing it could somebody

[1:28:31] Trustee Maude: come back in the other direction that is or is it okay

[1:28:37] Voice 10: so

[1:28:44] Voice 4: so the challenge would be if we took that motion and we went and tried to enforce

[1:28:48] Voice 4: on a property and then that that's where you'd run into legal because the courts would likely fight

[1:28:56] Voice 4: that um uh we do not have to offer and to be

[1:29:02] Voice 9: clear i actually understand that completely

[1:29:05] Voice 10: yeah and

[1:29:06] Voice 9: i have no intention of actually saying that

[1:29:09] Voice 9: like or it could go out

[1:29:10] Voice 10: as a force on that

[1:29:11] Voice 9: because i understand completely but what i can do with a motion from this community to say there's

[1:29:16] Voice 9: a more time out logging is i can press the ministry to get into conversation with us it's

[1:29:22] Voice 9: something that I can do to help with advocacy or to help our community and I understand there's a

[1:29:27] Voice 9: lot of internal things in our community that we need to think about too.

[1:29:31] Voice 5: I honestly feel like it

[1:29:33] Voice 5: makes us a joke though and I don't say that because of the the feelings that people have

[1:29:41] Voice 5: towards what is going on right now but there is already a feeling like we're not doing our job

[1:29:49] Voice 5: that the Islands Trust isn't doing what it's supposed to do and to further

[1:29:54] Voice 5: push something like that forward, it undermines our

[1:30:00] Voice 5: to do something

[1:30:01] Voice 13: and

[1:30:02] Voice 5: that's the thing is is for every for every action there will be a reaction

[1:30:09] Voice 5: there's a room of people right now that feel a certain way about a topic and there's a there's

[1:30:17] Voice 5: a group of people that feel the complete opposite and the the issue becomes that we have to find

[1:30:24] Voice 5: some way to get some consensus and a protection for for the island as opposed to trying to make

[1:30:34] Voice 5: a statement that means nothing at the end of the day and that's and that's where i see it going is

[1:30:40] Voice 5: that if we we can we can say that yeah we're going to have a moratorium on this and it means nothing

[1:30:46] Voice 5: and it gives power to to people that want to see something like this day and so if if it's something

[1:30:55] Voice 5: something that we sit down and we and we actively try to craft something that actually does work

[1:31:01] Voice 5: then for sure we put consideration into both sides of the argument to be able to draw a line

[1:31:08] Voice 5: and that gives us the ability to actually hopefully affect a change at our level in in a in a very

[1:31:16] Voice 5: quick amount of time as opposed to waiting for the future of the problems coming to say hey we're

[1:31:22] Voice 5: finally going to give you this ability so it would be really hard it would be really hard for me to

[1:31:31] Voice 5: support the motion based on the fact that it can't be enforced knowing that going into it so

[1:31:41] Voice 9: totally

[1:31:43] Voice 9: hear you i think we disagree on this issue because i i think for me the issue is that the mandate

[1:31:50] Voice 9: mandate does say that we're supposed to preserve and protect in these islands so i think we're well

[1:31:56] Voice 9: within our mandate to ask for just things to just slow down and like figure out and i understand too

[1:32:03] Voice 9: what you're saying about it's like does that weaken us like politically to do something that

[1:32:10] Voice 9: or you know functionally and i guess i don't even see where we have any strength at all right now

[1:32:17] Voice 9: frankly and so from that perspective really and I know that we do have certain things we can enforce

[1:32:23] Voice 9: but we have a lot of concerns in community about about how effective and I think I think even in

[1:32:30] Voice 9: in our organization we have a lot of concerns about what authorities do we have right now or not

[1:32:35] Voice 9: to be able to effectively enforce our mandate and to be and so like at this point I feel like

[1:32:42] Voice 9: Like, we have to be making, like, fairly fierce political statements that we can take forward and understanding clearly, like, we can add all sorts of language to this in terms of how we communicate it, but we understand clearly it's a political statement and it's, you know, not enforceable in this moment, but that we need other levels of government to step the frick up, right?

[1:33:05] Voice 9: And so, like, they're not even willing to come to the table with us half the time about these issues.

[1:33:10] Voice 9: and so i i just and i have explored all of the other things that are being discussed and we're

[1:33:18] Voice 9: pursuing them in various ways and yet here we are and and

[1:33:23] Voice 9: this i hear too what you're saying

[1:33:25] Voice 9: more about like it's partly that there's no dpas it's probably that like we didn't you know we

[1:33:30] Voice 9: don't have a mechanism to really enforce force management that way right and like i maybe these

[1:33:36] Voice 9: landowners are like the nicest sweetest people who are you know but even the fact that realtors think

[1:33:42] Voice 9: they can advertise land as logging potential is really problematic and i've seen it multiple times

[1:33:48] Voice 9: on different properties and so i kind of feel like we and even if we stir up a beehive of like

[1:33:54] Voice 9: counter conversation great let's have that conversation let's figure out that conversation

[1:33:59] Voice 9: here because meanwhile everything is just getting tough so okay

[1:34:03] Voice 9: i'm going to pause i think we should

[1:34:05] Voice 9: just go ahead the

[1:34:06] Trustee Maude: problem i have yeah is unfortunately our legislative expert is

[1:34:13] Trustee Maude: away on vacation i don't know that we can is in order to consider a bylaw or a motion that is not

[1:34:22] Trustee Maude: enforceable like i i think like like process wise i don't think we're allowed to do what you're

[1:34:31] Trustee Maude: trying to do

[1:34:31] Voice 11: but

[1:34:32] Trustee Maude: the problem is as a chair i'm supposed to make a judgment call and i would be

[1:34:36] Trustee Maude: loving to be sending this motion to david marler and him going you can do it or you can't do it

[1:34:42] Trustee Maude: because that's what he does and so it sort of puts me in a bad spot because i'm really uncomfortable

[1:34:48] Trustee Maude: with it because it's this really should be more of an advocacy motion rather than a regulatory

[1:34:53] Trustee Maude: motion because as a regulatory motion it has no teeth and so it's so literally it's symbolic which

[1:35:00] Trustee Maude: puts on the advocacy side of the call versus the regulatory so

[1:35:05] Voice 8: it's the the verb is the problem

[1:35:11] Voice 8: because the motion will not accomplish that

[1:35:14] Voice 11: you'd

[1:35:17] Voice 4: say advocate to prohibit or something like that

[1:35:19] Voice 4: but then now it's a different thing

[1:35:22] Voice 9: and i i actually really understand everything you're

[1:35:25] Voice 9: saying still i'm gonna i just feel like and it's fine if you don't agree and you don't

[1:35:30] Voice 9: vote that's i will vote for it and i will continue to advocate saying that but from

[1:35:37] Trustee Maude: my standpoint as a chair i don't know if i'm allowed to sort of proceed with with the motion

[1:35:44] Trustee Maude: because my spidey sense tells me it's out of order because and i don't know like

[1:35:51] Trustee Maude: robert you've run across this before in

[1:35:54] Voice 17: the corner of your wisdom

[1:35:55] Trustee Maude: um

[1:35:57] Voice 8: Um,

[1:35:58] Voice 9: the motion

[1:35:59] Voice 8: itself, I don't know if it's out of order.

[1:36:03] Voice 9: I

[1:36:04] Voice 8: do know the answer

[1:36:05] Voice 9: to that, actually.

[1:36:06] Voice 9: I do know the answer to that, because I

[1:36:07] Voice 9: have had that situation that it was the helicopter.

[1:36:10] Voice 9: You had a legal opinion saying that it was not possible, and you passed the motion.

[1:36:17] Voice 9: That's right.

[1:36:17] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:36:18] Voice 9: And the advice that we had in that moment was that we could go ahead and pass the motions

[1:36:23] Voice 9: if we wanted to even if they weren't enforceable because then it would just there would be it would

[1:36:29] Voice 9: trigger an ombudsman review of the motion at some point which would then actually trigger the

[1:36:34] Voice 9: province to get involved or the feds in that case so it's not illegal it just causes a lot of

[1:36:39] Voice 9: complicated process in the future which is the

[1:36:41] Voice 9: freaking intent honestly so can

[1:36:46] Voice 5: i just get um

[1:36:47] Voice 5: when you we're talking about uh tree cutting authority and you've got a municipality like

[1:36:54] Voice 5: like Sydney or Saanich um that has it written into their um to get a bylaw permit that you

[1:37:04] Voice 5: have to have someone come and and like site walk to tag trees that are not allowed to be removed

[1:37:11] Voice 5: and is that part of the tree cutting Authority or is that something that we could look at to

[1:37:17] Voice 5: require people to have some sort of a report done on their property when they come in

[1:37:24] Voice 5: and to apply for a development permit.

[1:37:28] Voice 8: So the first

[1:37:29] Voice 8: part of the question

[1:37:29] Voice 8: about the tree cutting by-law,

[1:37:30] Voice 8: I'd like to see municipalities,

[1:37:33] Voice 8: the authority is to adopt the by-law

[1:37:36] Voice 8: and then give some basis to our framework for that by-law.

[1:37:40] Voice 8: And then in the specifics of the by-law

[1:37:42] Voice 8: or how it's implemented.

[1:37:45] Voice 8: So you have to get a permit, you have to have a report,

[1:37:48] Voice 8: you have to have certain trees that we've gotten,

[1:37:50] Voice 8: others can't without a permit and that sort of thing.

[1:37:52] Voice 8: for the specific service in a development permit yes the applicant is not supposed to do or the

[1:37:59] Voice 8: owner is not supposed to do any work within the development permit area unless they're either one

[1:38:05] exempted under the bylaw to minor

[1:38:08] Voice 8: work or they get a permit with the accompanying professional report

[1:38:13] the

[1:38:16] Voice 4: power to regulate that tree cutting in victoria is enabled through the community charter

[1:38:23] Voice 4: Charter section 8.3 which says a council made by bylaw regulate prohibit and impose requirements

[1:38:29] Voice 4: in relation to the following as a whole bunch of things I didn't see as trees so that's for

[1:38:35] Voice 4: municipalities there's not a mirroring provision in the local government act that enables that tree

[1:38:42] Voice 4: that tree prohibition authority.

[1:38:48] Voice 4: And so how regional districts and the Islands Trust

[1:38:53] Voice 4: go about trying to create that authority

[1:38:55] Voice 4: is by establishing development permit areas.

[1:38:58] Voice 4: And so what you could do as a longer term solution

[1:39:01] Voice 4: is open up your development permit areas

[1:39:03] Voice 4: and seek to either expand the existing ones

[1:39:06] Voice 4: or create a new one around water protection

[1:39:10] Voice 4: or right now you have woodland type DPA you could seek to create it like around carry or around

[1:39:19] Voice 4: dug for mature forest habitat on Galley I know there's a broad tree cutting like so I think that

[1:39:29] Voice 4: this is not a new issue no

[1:39:32] Voice 23: and so regional

[1:39:32] Voice 4: districts have tried to create development

[1:39:35] Voice 4: permit areas in areas that are outside of their sphere outside of their powers

[1:39:39] Voice 4: uh and they've been squashed in court so so galliano has a treat cutting dpa that applies

[1:39:47] Voice 4: to the whole island but it's there's the exemptions are so robust that uh it's not very

[1:39:54] Voice 4: i'm just i guess i'm just

[1:39:56] Voice 5: wondering how you how you work through the yeah how you work through to

[1:40:07] Voice 5: try to limit what can be done without encroaching in a sense and actually have something that is

[1:40:18] Voice 5: enforceable at the end of the day. So the tool you have right now

[1:40:22] Voice 4: is the application of development

[1:40:24] Voice 4: programs. That's the tool that you are empowered as a local trust committee. There's many discussions

[1:40:32] Voice 4: seeking additional tools of regional uh district and trust to have similar powers to what's

[1:40:42] Voice 4: enabled in the community charter so that you can specifically regulate tree by tree

[1:40:46] Voice 4: as opposed to having to regulate by uh a type of function in the habitat that you're looking

[1:40:55] Voice 4: looking to protect or or a certain range of species within a habitat okay well we're running

[1:41:04] really late here so unfortunately public participation doesn't happen at this point

[1:41:10] that's I don't know this is like our meeting I do apologize for

[1:41:13] Trustee Maude: that I know it's emotional

[1:41:14] Trustee Maude: but we've got to do what we got to do and we're going to follow the process so death you've got

[1:41:20] Trustee Maude: your motion on the floor you're standing by it um as Pat got it can you put it can she put it on

[1:41:25] Trustee Maude: the screen you can send it to her she

[1:41:28] Voice 10: doesn't so

[1:41:31] Trustee Maude: that's the most important thing is to make

[1:41:34] Trustee Maude: sure that pat has is she pat going to speak i

[1:41:40] Voice 15: have i have the motion but i have no idea how

[1:41:43] Voice 15: to put it on the screen okay

[1:41:44] Trustee Maude: so we're going to trust that what what um you have what what

[1:41:49] Trustee Maude: definitely will you read it out again i

[1:41:51] Voice 15: can i can read what i what brad sent me okay that works

[1:41:55] Trustee Maude: is

[1:41:56] Voice 15: that the north pender local trust committee prohibit logging on all areas of north pender

[1:42:01] Voice 15: island to facilitate appropriate intergovernmental decisions to be made about forest protection on

[1:42:08] Voice 15: the island logging shall be defined as the cutting of more than one tree per acre per year okay

[1:42:17] Voice 15: so so

[1:42:18] Voice 9: i'm willing to modify that by taking off that specific last sentence

[1:42:21] Voice 9: us if that improves it for you otherwise i can just leave it as it is

[1:42:28] Voice 9: i think we've talked it out

[1:42:33] Voice 10: for now yeah okay so

[1:42:35] Voice 10: i don't

[1:42:40] Voice 5: know what our next step is then okay

[1:42:41] Trustee Maude: so follow question all in favor opposed so and i i

[1:42:49] Trustee Maude: vote reluctantly because i understand the passion but i i think what i would suggest spend the next

[1:42:55] Trustee Maude: month working with planners can bring back something that has teeth that we can all work

[1:43:01] Trustee Maude: with

[1:43:02] Voice 9: respectfully there's nothing we can bring back given the powers of the trust right now

[1:43:05] Voice 9: so it's it's i don't want to waste planners time doing something

[1:43:09] Voice 9: that i know is a political

[1:43:10] Voice 9: decision okay

[1:43:11] Trustee Maude: thank you all right so the other the other town hall issue was the barn so if

[1:43:17] Trustee Maude: might want to make a commentary on that barnes of food

[1:43:19] Trustee Maude: i

[1:43:20] Voice 5: mean short to the food is that um it's not really an island's trust issue um it does it

[1:43:31] Voice 5: was a beehive reaction to coming to the island um there has been some layers that have gone out

[1:43:42] Voice 5: all um is involved um i don't know if you have said that you've been been contacted by adam

[1:43:52] Voice 5: olsen yeah so

[1:43:53] Voice 5: there's there's a potential to have um a meeting all together uh through zoom

[1:43:59] Voice 5: uh on the 24th of january i think it is um just to discuss what can be done uh from a food protection

[1:44:07] Voice 5: and security standpoint, having run Browning for years,

[1:44:16] Voice 5: and I know that the fellow who's here for VHA prior

[1:44:20] Voice 5: was very sort of in tune with what was going on

[1:44:23] Voice 5: on the island and kind of understood the pulse

[1:44:25] Voice 5: of where we were

[1:44:26] Voice 5: and he has retired and there's someone new

[1:44:29] Voice 5: and what it

[1:44:30] Voice 5: looks like is they've just taken

[1:44:32] Voice 5: a blanket approach to a problem and said,

[1:44:36] Voice 5: this is where we sit with it

[1:44:38] Voice 5: and therefore cease and desist kind of a thing um and so it it you

[1:44:45] Voice 5: know when you look at who was contacted to be shut down it's basically people that were advertising

[1:44:50] Voice 5: on facebook and the person uh most likely just did a facebook search to render an online market

[1:44:57] Voice 5: and sent those people letters um so it requires a bit more of a conversation but it's not anything

[1:45:04] Voice 5: that hasn't happened in the past again with eggs um and other other products that's what led to

[1:45:12] Voice 5: more products being allowed to be sold at farmers markets and i don't see there being really any

[1:45:20] Voice 5: issue from our standpoint unless they try to take issue with stands at the end of people's driveways

[1:45:27] Voice 5: um is where it would where it would come into an island's trust land use kind of a kind of a

[1:45:34] Voice 5: problem so i don't think that it really applies to us and the thing about the agricultural building

[1:45:40] Voice 5: on rural land my personal opinion of it is that there is a misinterpretation of what is

[1:45:49] Voice 5: agricultural land and what is farming um and residential well just just in in general right

[1:45:58] Voice 12: It

[1:45:58] Voice 5: does the type of land in ag land,

[1:46:04] Voice 5: if you have agricultural land and farm status,

[1:46:07] Voice 5: you are allowed certain sort of rights

[1:46:14] Voice 5: to help develop your land and to be able to build a barn

[1:46:18] Voice 5: and to do those things.

[1:46:19] Voice 5: And typically that wouldn't be extended to somebody

[1:46:24] Voice 5: that was just considering farming.

[1:46:26] Voice 5: when you when you apply for a farm permit a developing farm permit it's a completely

[1:46:34] Voice 5: different process I did it I lost my farming status within one year because I wasn't able to

[1:46:42] Voice 5: prove a forward enough forward progress for the amount of money that you need to make to do a uh

[1:46:49] Voice 5: to have a farm in in farm status and so then I had to start the whole process over again and if you

[1:46:57] Voice 5: if i think that we make a mistake if we allow something to happen based on the idea that

[1:47:04] Voice 5: somebody could get a developing farm it doesn't change what has already happened and i don't know

[1:47:11] Voice 5: i don't know the ramifications of what that is i just know to speak to that part of it from being

[1:47:17] Voice 5: being a farmer um that that is probably where there we have to look at what the proposed

[1:47:26] Voice 5: bylaws are as well for how to how to control that development on rural land and whatnot because

[1:47:34] Voice 5: because if it's not agricultural land it shouldn't really have the build up out ability as far as as

[1:47:43] Voice 5: far as i know i mean this is my personal opinion as a partner right um but that'll remain to be

[1:47:51] Voice 5: seen we have to look at it in in that land use bylaw part that's coming up um

[1:47:57] Voice 9: i would so on the

[1:47:59] Voice 9: bread one it was vha bank of ireland health authority um so but bank of ireland health

[1:48:05] Voice 9: authority and so there are some details that we're getting more information on um so i will keep

[1:48:11] Voice 9: plotting along on that one as well to try and resolve what that is and get bread reestablished

[1:48:16] Voice 9: in the region um and um but the one thing robert that i would love to just know a little bit about

[1:48:23] Voice 9: more related to the um oh my gosh thank you farm building is um do you have anything to add just

[1:48:33] Voice 9: about like because we're going to consider later on today we're going to consider the idea of

[1:48:37] Voice 9: delegation of certain dpa or certain applications to staff and this was one that it wasn't about

[1:48:45] Voice 9: being delegated it was an interpretation of like the rule the way it happened do you have anything

[1:48:49] Voice 9: to add about that that can help answer this question

[1:48:52] Voice 8: um i'm not sure about the specific

[1:48:56] Voice 8: question but um in terms of the interpretation of that specific building without getting into

[1:49:02] Voice 8: too many details about the owner and the personality there was a lot of scrutiny put on that

[1:49:10] Voice 8: application and looking at the plans for the building and what their plans for the property

[1:49:19] Voice 8: were in order to meet the very vague provision in the current bylaw about what's a farm building

[1:49:27] Voice 8: And there are other farm oversight or accessory buildings that are taller than what's permitted

[1:49:34] Voice 8: for accessory buildings because they have been permitted as farm buildings on the island.

[1:49:40] Voice 9: So the, so there are, I'm hearing a couple of things.

[1:49:44] Voice 9: There are other examples of buildings that have had this happen in the past that were

[1:49:50] Voice 9: permitted.

[1:49:50] Voice 9: Yes.

[1:49:51] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:49:52] Voice 9: I can think of one in my head, but I don't know if it was permitted, but, but I can tell

[1:49:57] Voice 9: of one that i know fits that definition of what you just said but i i don't know what the permanent

[1:50:02] Voice 9: status of it was um and then the other thing is that so did we specifically as a trust or a staff

[1:50:11] Voice 9: get a legal opinion about the application of what aaron's talking about like the farm status to

[1:50:16] Voice 9: non-agricultural learning i

[1:50:18] Voice 8: don't think we've got the opinion yet and kim's still online but

[1:50:21] Voice 8: but she was getting a legal opinion for the interpretation of that specific instance

[1:50:28] and also any

[1:50:31] Voice 8: recommendations in relation to changing the regulations in the new land use model.

[1:50:36] Voice 9: Okay, and then

[1:50:37] Voice 9: last question related to that is, given that the trust issued the permit, right?

[1:50:43] Voice 8: No, the CRD issued the permit.

[1:50:46] Voice 9: Oh, right, right, right.

[1:50:46] Voice 9: It's

[1:50:46] Voice 8: a Capital Regional District permit.

[1:50:47] Voice 8: It's a reference.

[1:50:48] Voice 9: We are giving

[1:50:49] Voice 8: the owner of the Capital Regional District advice as to whether or not it complies with zoning.

[1:50:53] Voice 9: And we gave them advice that it did comply with zoning.

[1:50:56] Voice 8: It did comply with zoning after I said putting a lot of scrutiny into what is shown on the plans for that building.

[1:51:04] And that there's indications that they are using

[1:51:08] Voice 8: or will be using the property for farming purposes.

[1:51:11] Voice 9: So we're working on clarifying the bylaw in our land use bylaw process already.

[1:51:15] Voice 9: For this particular instance, is there any recourse we have as an organization, given that we already gave advice that it was permissible, even if the legal opinion comes back saying that was a misinterpretation?

[1:51:26] Voice 8: Well, if the legal opinion comes back and says that it should be considered a farm building, or maybe could potentially not be considered a farm building, we would look at, you know, that building permit would then be considered an error.

[1:51:42] Voice 8: error. Okay,

[1:51:45] Voice 9: thank you. That's helpful.

[1:51:47] Voice 8: So the

[1:51:48] Voice 9: bylaw file is

[1:51:52] Voice 22: still open on the property. And we once the construction is

[1:51:55] Voice 22: completed, the owners, it must be a farm use building. If they

[1:51:59] Voice 22: use it for any other purpose that is not the farm use that

[1:52:02] Voice 22: accompanies the land use bylaw. Right.

[1:52:04] Voice 22: And then they would need

[1:52:05] Voice 22: to get a variance to vary the height, right? Or take out

[1:52:09] Voice 22: whatever they were doing.

[1:52:11] Voice 9: And our question here was

[1:52:12] Voice 9: actually about farming so if if the legal opinion deems that farm use wasn't an appropriate

[1:52:17] Voice 9: application to that particular zoning and land use because there was a bit of a gray area there

[1:52:22] Voice 9: then we would actually the building would have to be a residential use because it would be only

[1:52:26] Voice 9: residential property it

[1:52:28] Voice 22: would have to be an accessory building and

[1:52:29] Voice 9: then it would have to

[1:52:30] Voice 22: reduce the height or get a variance for it hopefully we use it for fun yeah

[1:52:35] Voice 9: okay just

[1:52:36] Voice 9: when

[1:52:37] Voice 8: they stated their intention

[1:52:38] Voice 9: okay okay

[1:52:41] Trustee Maude: okay my

[1:52:43] Voice 9: question is okay

[1:52:45] Trustee Maude: we'll go down the rabbit hole

[1:52:48] Trustee Maude: what was your question ma'am

[1:52:49] Voice 9: okay it was explained that uh there's a stock work order on that

[1:52:54] Voice 9: property of uh 4815 uh that they have broken the um one dpa still stands in place that has

[1:53:05] Voice 9: been broken the others are questionable or figured out they've applied for uh permits um

[1:53:15] Voice 9: and what's going to happen are they going to just get them because they've already done it or

[1:53:19] Voice 9: what goes on now what can we do right now what we have uh to make this uh a situation that uh

[1:53:29] Voice 9: uh doesn't happen again what happens

[1:53:32] Voice 9: to the uh contractor who did this what happens to the

[1:53:37] Voice 9: previous owner like what can we do now so this never ever happens again with what we have the

[1:53:43] Voice 9: laws that we have so

[1:53:45] Trustee Maude: Robert if you want to explain the permanent process so that they've applied or

[1:53:50] Trustee Maude: instead of yeah they've stated chair they've stated that they will apply for all necessary

[1:53:55] Trustee Maude: area but

[1:53:56] Voice 22: are there any ramifications for their actions to date yes that that's entirely up to

[1:54:00] Voice 22: the local trust committee they could you could uh pursue legal action because they've done work

[1:54:13] Voice 8: just a second please you would have to ask uh staff to come back um with the report and go

[1:54:22] Voice 8: on camera you can discuss

[1:54:24] Trustee Maude: your options so does that need a motion or can that request just come

[1:54:29] Trustee Maude: from

[1:54:29] Voice 9: the state i would like to make a motion so i believe

[1:54:31] Trustee Maude: it should be a motion okay so pap

[1:54:33] Trustee Maude: stand by for a motion okay i'm

[1:54:38] Voice 9: not exactly sure how i'm asking to staff generally okay

[1:54:41] Voice 9: i know that the north canada local trust committee requested staff provide options

[1:54:49] Voice 9: for addressing the enforcement issue on,

[1:54:56] Voice 9: sorry, I missed the address, 4815 Schooner Road.

[1:55:03] Trustee Maude: Okay, that's the motion packet.

[1:55:04] Trustee Maude: Do you have that to read back?

[1:55:14] Voice 15: Sorry, it's hard to juggle my pen and my mouse.

[1:55:17] Voice 10: That

[1:55:18] Voice 15: staff provide options

[1:55:19] Voice 15: for addressing the enforcement issues on 4815 Schooner Road.

[1:55:28] Voice 15: yes please okay

[1:55:29] Trustee Maude: that's the motion no discussion a discussion call the question all in favor

[1:55:34] Trustee Maude: that carries okay so that's our road forward

[1:55:39] Voice 9: question that i had because right now we have

[1:55:44] Voice 9: uh uh they're going to apply for a permit this is about breaking the laws right and now we still

[1:55:54] Voice 9: still have them going forward with a permit and what can we do about that this is about them

[1:56:00] Voice 9: breaking it now what do we do when they apply for that so staff can probably weigh in on this too

[1:56:06] Voice 9: but my my experience in the past four years with permits like this so bylaw breach sort of there's

[1:56:13] Voice 9: a name for them remediation or i don't remember now remediation permits um so that basically when

[1:56:18] Voice 9: there's an enforcement break one of the methods we have to bring around and it's actually one of

[1:56:24] Voice 9: of the limited methods we have frankly as a trust because we're not a municipality we can't

[1:56:27] Voice 9: necessarily do the same kinds of things in there but we do have a fair amount of authority and we

[1:56:32] Voice 9: have actually even though people don't necessarily know it enforced quite extensively on on some

[1:56:38] Voice 9: issues across the island and brought people into compliance on those things so one of the things

[1:56:44] Voice 9: that happens now is that in the application for that permit it will come forward into a public

[1:56:49] Voice 9: space like this so the permit will come into a public meeting like this and people will be able

[1:56:55] Voice 9: to weigh in and and and you usually the applicant will be present and people will weigh in um and so

[1:57:01] Voice 9: and they will suggest a number of things it could be replanting which is usually the situation if

[1:57:06] Voice 9: it's a tree cutting related issue it's replanting um and various sort of soil remediation or other

[1:57:13] Voice 9: types of things it'll be something very specific to what was disrupted related to the dpa that's

[1:57:19] Voice 9: correct

[1:57:19] Voice 8: yeah so so after the fact where there's work been done in a development permit area

[1:57:24] Voice 8: whether it's authorized by a permanent advance or it's after the fact remediation one and

[1:57:31] Voice 8: restoration or even enhancement of what was there before is one of the conditions of multiple

[1:57:38] Voice 8: conditions but that

[1:57:40] Trustee Maude: permit will come to this vote ltc so it will it will come to a public

[1:57:44] Trustee Maude: okay okay so we're done we're done okay so we'll move on now um two minutes so we have a few

[1:57:53] Trustee Maude: minutes for adoption um the the first seven of minutes is all the trust committee meeting minutes

[1:57:59] Trustee Maude: dated october 27th 2022. so any corrections i just

[1:58:06] Voice 9: had a quick question for kim

[1:58:12] Voice 9: I just wanted to make sure, because this was a set of minutes related to the prior trust.

[1:58:20] Voice 9: I just wanted to make sure there was a motion from September, early September, that had

[1:58:24] Voice 9: to be corrected on the prior minutes.

[1:58:26] Voice 9: Did that get corrected?

[1:58:28] Voice 9: Because it feels like, I don't know if it was reflected in those over 27 minutes that

[1:58:33] Voice 9: that got corrected.

[1:58:33] Voice 16: Was it to do with reviewing the industrial use?

[1:58:39] Voice 16: Or was it somebody's, what somebody said?

[1:58:42] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm going to have to go.

[1:58:43] Voice 9: Well, I think we go ahead and approve these minutes.

[1:58:46] Voice 9: And then I'll dig into it because I was looking for it this morning because I remembered it

[1:58:50] Voice 9: just as I was reviewing it this morning.

[1:58:53] Voice 9: And I couldn't remember.

[1:58:54] Voice 9: But I know that there was some problem with the motions that we went back and forth about

[1:58:58] Voice 9: with the email.

[1:58:59] Voice 16: Yeah, I did take a look at the motions back in August.

[1:59:02] Voice 16: And I reviewed the meeting, the video, and all the motions are correct from the August

[1:59:08] Voice 16: meetings.

[1:59:09] Voice 9: okay i'll review it and see if i can find it so i can flag it more specifically sorry about that

[1:59:13] Voice 9: thanks okay

[1:59:14] Trustee Maude: so by consent we can adopt these minutes okay so so the uh the next one local

[1:59:21] Trustee Maude: trust special meeting of december 1st 2022 for adoption and that was just for the meeting days

[1:59:27] Trustee Maude: so again by consent we'll adopt those okay um we have no section we have no agency

[1:59:36] Trustee Maude: Oh, we have a follow-up action list is the next, which is Brad or Kim.

[1:59:43] Voice 10: I'll say better Kim.

[1:59:45] Trustee Maude: Better Kim.

[1:59:46] Trustee Maude: So thank God Kim's on the line.

[1:59:48] Trustee Maude: Okay, Kim, if you'll run through the follow-up action list.

[1:59:51] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[1:59:51] Voice 16: everything is more or less completed.

[1:59:55] Voice 16: The two items that are still not completed are related to the line.

[2:00:00] Voice 16: use bylaw review and those will i'll provide those an update on those at the um february special

[2:00:06] Voice 16: meeting thank

[2:00:09] Trustee Maude: you so anybody have any questions on the follow-up action i

[2:00:14] Voice 9: just need to get to

[2:00:15] Voice 9: that page. Okay. Okay,

[2:00:38] Trustee Maude: so we can move forward then. We have no

[2:00:42] Trustee Maude: correspondence. So now we're working on applications for

[2:00:46] Trustee Maude: referrals, which is first one is Northpender 2022.4 O'Malley, and the staff report is attached.

[2:00:55] Trustee Maude: So it's... I

[2:00:57] Voice 16: have the pleasure of...

[2:00:58] Trustee Maude: And that's the applicants?

[2:01:02] Voice 10: So

[2:01:02] Trustee Maude: the applicants in the... So if

[2:01:04] Trustee Maude: we have any questions, you're available. So do you want to

[2:01:09] Trustee Maude: walk through that?

[2:01:11] Voice 16: Yes, I will do an overview of this application. So this

[2:01:16] Voice 16: is a temporary

[2:01:17] Voice 16: use permit application for a short-term vacation rental. The use of an SDVR has been in use for

[2:01:27] Voice 16: the last five years by two approved temporary use permits. One was approved in 2017, and then that

[2:01:37] Voice 16: was renewed in 2020 for two years. The applicant resides in the dwelling for the majority of the

[2:01:45] Voice 16: the year except for summer months. And they are requesting to rent out the STVR for a maximum

[2:01:52] Voice 16: of 90 days from May 1st to September 30th. And they would like to retain the number of guests

[2:02:00] Voice 16: of 11, which is eight adults and three children. In the previous issued temporary use permits,

[2:02:08] Voice 16: I should mention that there was no restriction on the number of days during the summer months

[2:02:14] Voice 16: and the applicants have agreed to add that in to that permit.

[2:02:21] Voice 16: I'm going to flip to, if you have the application in front of you,

[2:02:26] Voice 16: to page 38 of the agenda.

[2:02:30] Voice 16: This is the TUP checklist,

[2:02:34] Voice 16: and it is a checklist for all guidelines in the OCP

[2:02:39] Voice 16: related to TUP STVR applications.

[2:02:43] Voice 16: applications. So this specific application actually does not necessarily comply with

[2:02:49] Voice 16: three of the guidelines. The first is guideline D, and that's the guideline related to that

[2:02:57] Voice 16: 200 meter buffer. So there are two other short-term vacation rentals within that 200 meter buffer,

[2:03:03] Voice 16: but they're short-term vacation rentals that have been operating for quite some time, and

[2:03:10] Voice 16: And there's been no enforcement issues for those three SCVRs.

[2:03:16] Voice 16: So that use in that neighborhood has been in use for over five years.

[2:03:21] Voice 16: So the neighborhood is used to those three SCVRs in operation.

[2:03:25] Voice 16: The next item is on page 39 of the agenda.

[2:03:29] Voice 16: And that's under L2.

[2:03:31] Voice 16: And this is regards to the number of guests allowed for short-term vacation rentals in Magic Lake Estates.

[2:03:40] Voice 16: So the guidelines have a maximum of six guests and again the applicant is requesting the continued

[2:03:47] Voice 16: use of eight adults and three children. And the third guideline is, as I mentioned before,

[2:03:54] Voice 16: it's L3 and that's on page 40, limiting the number of days during the summer months to 30 days.

[2:04:02] Voice 16: The applicant is requesting the 90 days for that period.

[2:04:08] Voice 16: So there has been no correspondence received in terms of the notification, and staff, as you can see at the beginning of the staff report, is supporting the TUP application.

[2:04:23] Voice 16: And this is due to the fact that although the number of guests exceeds the TUP guideline, if a TUP is approved, it would be an opportunity for larger families to stay.

[2:04:38] Voice 16: day. And also, as I mentioned before, there has been no complaints received from the neighbors

[2:04:45] Voice 16: concerning the number of guests of 11. So that would be eight adults and three children.

[2:04:53] Voice 16: And as I mentioned, the TUP previously issued did not restrict the number of days during

[2:04:59] Voice 16: the summer. The applicants have included a 90-day maximum during the summer months. And

[2:05:07] Voice 16: And the applicants also state that they have a minimum rental period of seven days during the summer months.

[2:05:13] Voice 16: So there's not going to be a huge turnover of different parties over the summer.

[2:05:19] Voice 16: And again, this has been an established use for the last five years, and neighbours don't have any objection to the use.

[2:05:29] Voice 16: so on page 18 of the staff report the recommendation from staff is that the ltc

[2:05:35] Voice 16: approved the tup for up to three years thank you thank

[2:05:42] Trustee Maude: you very much so trustees are there

[2:05:45] Trustee Maude: any comments or questions for the applicant or for the applicant you can make your statement

[2:05:50] Trustee Maude: thank

[2:05:51] Voice 10: you and thank you kim i'd just like to make one additional clarification um this this house

[2:05:57] Voice 10: Our house is two levels, 1,500 square feet, a total of 3,000 square feet, and it's a four-bedroom, three-bathroom house.

[2:06:07] Voice 10: And I personally handle the acceptance of the guests, and

[2:06:12] Voice 2: we share our home with multi-generational families.

[2:06:16] Voice 2: That's what it's been – that is like 9% of our guests.

[2:06:20] Voice 2: Occasionally, the girls will be getting in there somewhere.

[2:06:22] Voice 2: winter but during the summer months it's minimum seven days uh quite a number of our guests take

[2:06:28] Voice 2: two weeks minimum and

[2:06:30] Voice 10: it's grandpa and grandma their kids and their their children better than

[2:06:34] Voice 10: sorry oh yeah many of

[2:06:37] Voice 10: them are repeats as well here so

[2:06:39] Voice 11: that's that's what we're asking

[2:06:40] Voice 11: the community to extend

[2:06:41] Voice 12: for us but like

[2:06:43] Voice 10: like she stated it's been it's been already unlimited

[2:06:45] Voice 10: limited with absolutely zero complaints from our direct

[2:06:48] Voice 10: neighbors. And we are adjusting to be in compliance with the

[2:06:54] Voice 10: recommendations by treating it, but the use will not have

[2:07:02] Voice 10: changed at all. So

[2:07:03] Trustee Maude: I thank you for your consideration.

[2:07:04] Trustee Maude: Thank you. Any questions, trustees?

[2:07:09] Voice 9: Maybe just a quick comment. So part of our STVR policies and

[2:07:15] Voice 9: the way they are is it's a combination of making sure that the stdr operators are

[2:07:21] Voice 9: considerate of the community and the neighbors so a question related to you said none of your

[2:07:27] Voice 9: immediate neighbors have any complaints have there been off the street any concerns or like related

[2:07:32] Voice 9: to parking or other issues

[2:07:34] Voice 9: thank you i appreciate that so on your

[2:07:37] Voice 10: very right um the house is only

[2:07:39] Voice 10: when you can depart because that's what models allow for the building of them they could be

[2:07:44] Voice 10: here today there are voids um yeah so zero problems there we have a driveway that we're going to win

[2:07:52] Voice 10: and

[2:07:52] Voice 12: we also

[2:07:59] Voice 10: make a room yes this is our our guest book by the way

[2:08:04] Voice 10: in advance

[2:08:05] Voice 10: um that they must

[2:08:08] Voice 12: keep eating woodlands

[2:08:10] Voice 10: that's awesome that they that they do not park their cars on the street whatsoever

[2:08:14] Voice 10: um our our neighbors are relatively

[2:08:17] Voice 10: good neighbors they

[2:08:18] Voice 10: they could be here today because they're working it's a work day for that

[2:08:23] Voice 10: for days and they will keep you open wide so

[2:08:38] Voice 10: and i talk

[2:08:39] Voice 12: with everybody like no one is allowed to stay in our beautiful home

[2:08:44] Voice 12: unless i have a decent conversation with the person right now we're accepting people to come

[2:08:50] Voice 12: back

[2:08:50] Voice 9: all right and then the last comment is more of a general comment but just we always have to

[2:08:56] Voice 9: to remember when we think about permits like this this is a one that's been established so

[2:09:00] Voice 9: i feel good about going ahead with it but um as we sort of add to stvrs part of that is to bring

[2:09:06] Voice 9: people into compliance so that we can actually enforce on non-compliant people right um which

[2:09:11] Voice 9: is great so thank you for the application for the care that you've done with it um but the other

[2:09:15] Voice 9: issue that we're always balancing with stvrs is about affordable housing and a housing period

[2:09:20] Voice 9: rental housing stuff so we always have to keep that in mind this one in particular i find fine

[2:09:26] Voice 9: fine for extending the exemptions around what we're currently having our rules because I agree

[2:09:31] Voice 9: that we don't have that many I'm not excited about really large capacity ones but I think

[2:09:37] Voice 9: it's a good argument for having that type of slow tourism too so I think it's fun a

[2:09:43] Voice 5: comment I'm

[2:09:45] Voice 5: fairly certain that friends of mine have stayed there twice and in that exact capacity of two

[2:09:52] Voice 5: grandparents two parents and i don't know how many kids they have right now but it's

[2:09:57] Voice 5: they're probably getting close to 11 people by the time they do it and it's been

[2:10:03] Voice 5: it's an excellent home for a short-term vacation rental it's not an excellent home for a rental

[2:10:09] Voice 5: house so i think that yeah that plays into it as well okay

[2:10:15] Trustee Maude: so somebody want to make a motion

[2:10:20] Voice 5: All right.

[2:10:23] Voice 5: At the North Bender Island Local Trust Committee

[2:10:26] Voice 5: approved issuance of temporary use permanent application

[2:10:31] Voice 5: NPTUP 2022.4 O'Malley.

[2:10:34] Voice 9: Second that.

[2:10:35] Trustee Maude: Okay, let's move to the second.

[2:10:37] Trustee Maude: Pat, have you got that?

[2:10:38] Trustee Maude: As for the package.

[2:10:44] Voice 15: Whoops.

[2:10:45] Voice 15: Yes, I've got it.

[2:10:46] Voice 15: It's in the package.

[2:10:47] Trustee Maude: Okay, so we're all required.

[2:10:48] Trustee Maude: so we'll call motion of the question okay that's fast thank you okay thank

[2:10:57] Voice 9: you for coming today

[2:10:57] Voice 9: thank

[2:10:58] Trustee Maude: you very much

[2:11:13] Voice 9: okay

[2:11:14] Trustee Maude: so 13.2 is north tender rezoning 2022.1 sydney island and we have staff report and who

[2:11:21] Trustee Maude: is doing that robert thank you

[2:11:24] Voice 8: chair so this is sydney island uh the application

[2:11:27] Voice 8: application was made by the strata um council of sydney island uh it's bylaw 232 and it's here on

[2:11:34] Voice 8: an agenda for consideration of first reading and scheduling a hearing and what it would do

[2:11:39] Voice 8: it would amend the associated islands land use bylaw for the sydney island straddle lots

[2:11:45] Voice 8: to permit uh use of recreational vehicles as the equivalent of a dwelling for up to four years

[2:11:52] Voice 8: in the absence of a principal dwelling.

[2:11:55] Voice 8: It would also permit a larger non-residential building

[2:11:58] Voice 8: prior to constructing the building

[2:12:00] Voice 8: and it would permit kitchens in the Hunter's Caverns

[2:12:04] Voice 8: on the common property.

[2:12:07] Voice 8: The Strata Council has conducted

[2:12:11] Voice 8: a consultation in the community with the Strata.

[2:12:16] Voice 8: The bylaw has, as a draft bylaw,

[2:12:18] Voice 8: has been sent out on referral

[2:12:20] Voice 8: This is an opportunity for the LTC to the other agencies or bodies the LTC would like

[2:12:31] Voice 8: it referred to.

[2:12:31] Voice 8: You can direct us and we'll refer to those further agencies as well.

[2:12:36] Voice 8: The agencies are listed in the staff report that it has been referred to.

[2:12:42] Voice 8: Recommendation is that it go directly to public hearing because of the consultation that the

[2:12:46] Voice 8: strata council has done however an alternative local trust committee could schedule a separate

[2:12:52] Voice 8: standalone community information meeting we wished recommending proceeding rationale being

[2:13:01] Voice 8: the changes are minor they would address vital enforcement issues with rvs currently on sydney

[2:13:07] Voice 8: island and would provide the opportunity for owners to use their lots with their recreational

[2:13:15] Voice 8: vehicle while they get knowledge of their lot and plan the siting of their dwellings

[2:13:22] Voice 8: over a longer period of time. And the applicants are here, if you have any questions.

[2:13:28] Trustee Maude: Do you want to make a statement or just answer questions?

[2:13:31] Voice 6: Just briefly, thank you. I guess primarily this issue arises out of the fact that we've

[2:13:37] Voice 6: gotten a lot of options on Sydney Island. There's no commercial issue or anything.

[2:13:41] Voice 6: think we want to encourage our our new owners to get familiar with their lot before they

[2:13:47] Voice 6: they go in and do things like they're cutting we've had we've had that in the in the past where

[2:13:52] Voice 6: they've taken down a few trees and it's the it's the wrong trees because the sun is a little

[2:13:58] Voice 6: different over here and so they take down a few more and then and then all of a sudden we've got

[2:14:02] Voice 6: this this bare lot we've got one of those right now um really what we're trying to do here is

[2:14:09] Voice 6: is encourage the owners to make better decisions.

[2:14:14] Voice 6: Robert alluded to, we've gotten 83% support

[2:14:17] Voice 6: for expanding the use of recreational vehicles.

[2:14:22] Voice 6: And we also have a very clear mandate

[2:14:25] Voice 6: from the owners to not make recreational vehicles

[2:14:32] Voice 6: a permanent fixture.

[2:14:34] Voice 6: This issue will go away slowly.

[2:14:36] Voice 6: Slowly, when my wife and I got to the island

[2:14:39] Voice 6: about eight years ago, there was about 30 dwellings.

[2:14:43] Voice 6: We're now up to about 55 dwellings, so there's 111 lots.

[2:14:46] Voice 6: So at some point, recreational vehicles won't be an issue.

[2:14:51] Voice 6: And then the other amendments are to try and allow

[2:14:54] Voice 6: for alternatives to recreational vehicles,

[2:14:57] Voice 6: again, to address the lack of accommodations.

[2:15:02] Voice 6: And the final point I'll make is that this is somewhat

[2:15:05] Voice 6: of a green initiative because the other options for people that have no place to stay is they're

[2:15:11] Voice 6: driving a boat for 15 to 20 minutes back and forth um and uh that's uh burning up a lot of

[2:15:19] Voice 6: unnecessary gas uh getting to and from the islands they have no place to stay and then

[2:15:24] Voice 6: go on a daily basis so there's a lot of a lot of positives to this thank robert and staff

[2:15:31] Voice 6: staff for supporting this, if there's any questions.

[2:15:36] Voice 9: Yes, I did have one question,

[2:15:38] Voice 10: but I don't know what it is now.

[2:15:39] Voice 9: It was, sorry, I was like,

[2:15:42] Voice 9: just gonna send something over to staff.

[2:15:45] Voice 9: So thank you for coming to us and for this work,

[2:15:48] Voice 9: because I agree with all of the things you said.

[2:15:49] Voice 9: Oh, I know what it was, it was about First Nations.

[2:15:51] Voice 9: Have First Nations been in the consultation process on this?

[2:15:55] Voice 6: No, they haven't.

[2:15:56] Voice 6: I noticed on the staff report,

[2:15:57] Voice 6: what they've sent the information out to those big lists.

[2:16:03] Voice 9: Okay, so the stage we're at right now

[2:16:04] Voice 9: is to read it into first reading, right?

[2:16:07] Voice 8: That's the recommendation.

[2:16:08] Voice 8: First reading and direction to schedule a hearing.

[2:16:12] Voice 8: If there were to something were to come back

[2:16:14] Voice 8: as part of the referral process,

[2:16:16] Voice 8: we would come back to the local trust committee

[2:16:18] Voice 8: and you can consider those before we proceed to the public hearing.

[2:16:22] Voice 9: Okay, and I don't personally don't think

[2:16:25] Voice 9: that there's any issues here

[2:16:26] Voice 9: because of the nature of what you're asking for so i feel fine to go ahead and do this with the

[2:16:30] Voice 9: referral process in parallel i think that's okay so i'm good to read the management

[2:16:34] Voice 5: well i was i

[2:16:35] Voice 5: was just curious about the kitchens in the sort of the hunter cabin type things being on on like

[2:16:42] Voice 5: a commute communal land it's

[2:16:44] Voice 6: on common property um the hunters cabins have been there a long time uh

[2:16:57] Voice 6: going away as well actually or being significantly modified but there's not just hunting but there's

[2:17:05] Voice 6: other issues on the island that we require contractors to stay for example and it's a

[2:17:10] Voice 6: good place on common property to be able to do temporary accommodations again to prevent a large

[2:17:18] Voice 6: boat from going back and forth daily it creates efficiencies for us of course as an island

[2:17:23] Voice 6: community um but the the kitchens would allow them to be self-sufficient uh in in a temporary

[2:17:29] Voice 6: accommodation it's not a revenue accommodation it's a is the is the

[2:17:34] Voice 5: old is there like a body

[2:17:36] Voice 5: that oversees the use of them strategy council okay yeah i just i guess my question was going

[2:17:43] Voice 5: does that does it create a further like a bio a further bylaw issue in trying to to oversee what's

[2:17:52] Voice 5: going on with with basically what would become like a house or a cottage on communal land if

[2:17:58] Voice 5: that was something who who ends up making sure that those are being used properly

[2:18:02] Voice 6: uh strata

[2:18:03] Voice 6: council would be given that permission to use it it's on common property so it's a common asset

[2:18:09] Voice 6: it's not a non-revenue these are not revenue nobody's ever been charged from basically what

[2:18:14] Voice 6: it does is it saves our island community money by not having to pay for water taxes daily or

[2:18:22] Voice 6: uh bring other other other uh try and find other forms of accommodation

[2:18:27] Voice 6: that the

[2:18:32] Voice 9: north pender local island island local trust committee bylaw number 232 cited as north

[2:18:39] Voice 9: pender associated island land use bylaw number 148 2003 amendment number 1222 be read a first

[2:18:47] Voice 9: time second

[2:18:48] Trustee Maude: it is seconded um i assume he's got it because these these are as for the package path

[2:18:56] Trustee Maude: so we'll call the question all in favor carry say that

[2:19:00] Voice 9: the north pender island local trust

[2:19:01] Voice 9: committee has reviewed the island's trust policy statement directives on the checklist

[2:19:04] Voice 9: ensuring that bylaw number 232 cited as north pender associated islands land use bylaw number

[2:19:12] Voice 9: 148 2003 amendment number one 2022 is not contrary to or at variance with the island's

[2:19:18] Voice 9: trust policy statement okay

[2:19:19] Trustee Maude: seconded second call the question on favor that the north

[2:19:25] Voice 9: pender island local trust committee requests staff to schedule a public hearing for bylaw

[2:19:28] Voice 9: number 232 that is north pender associated islands land use bylaw number 148 2003

[2:19:35] Voice 9: three amendment number one two thousand and seconded

[2:19:39] Trustee Maude: professional okay that's done can i

[2:19:43] Voice 9: add one follow-up comment

[2:19:44] Trustee Maude: absolutely um

[2:19:45] Voice 9: i would love when that hearing gets scheduled if um all

[2:19:49] Voice 9: of the ltc i don't know if we're automatically notified of that related to sydney island but

[2:19:53] Voice 9: it'd be great to just be notified i would love to try and come over for that public hearing if

[2:19:57] Voice 9: assuming it's in person

[2:19:59] Voice 10: it would be here oh

[2:20:00] Voice 9: it would be here i'm well definitely

[2:20:03] Voice 6: we have

[2:20:04] Voice 6: no way of accommodating okay

[2:20:05] Voice 9: yeah okay because

[2:20:07] Voice 6: i do want to hear

[2:20:07] Voice 6: so

[2:20:08] Voice 9: is the intent then for because the islanders won't all come over here will they city islanders

[2:20:13] Voice 6: um i i don't know that uh i mean we'll we'll make sure through our strata that all the all

[2:20:21] Voice 6: all the owners are noted notified um but uh i i don't know what the appetite will be for

[2:20:29] Voice 6: for everybody coming over certainly they can join by virtually yes okay

[2:20:34] Voice 9: okay yeah i definitely

[2:20:36] Voice 9: encourage that because i would really like to hear from the different islanders i know we've

[2:20:40] Voice 9: only been over there once i think in the last term so it'd be great thank you for all the work

[2:20:45] Voice 9: any of

[2:20:45] Voice 6: the questions come over please contact us yeah

[2:20:50] Voice 16: that's great thank you

[2:20:51] Trustee Maude: very much thank you

[2:20:52] Trustee Maude: thank

[2:20:53] Voice 16: you okay

[2:20:54] Trustee Maude: now on to the controversial part saturn ohio and local trust committee

[2:20:58] Trustee Maude: referral to propose proposed bylaws 136 and 137 for response so i know you guys all have

[2:21:05] Trustee Maude: lots to say about this rather smith so

[2:21:16] Voice 4: these are uh amending bylaws on saturn island they're

[2:21:21] Voice 4: proposing a uh a land density transfer from one property to the other uh the property receiving

[2:21:27] Voice 4: the 10 densities as zoned uh forest right now that would be rezoned to rural general and the

[2:21:37] Voice 4: densities would be transferred in the densities that the properties are being transferred off of

[2:21:43] Voice 4: uh will be uh donated a large portion will be donated to the nature or sold to the nature's

[2:21:50] Voice 4: trust so

[2:21:52] Trustee Maude: heading around are your interests affected so i never

[2:21:59] Voice 9: know what to do with

[2:21:59] Voice 9: these things because i always feel like it's not our

[2:22:01] Voice 5: business sort of a teacher

[2:22:05] Voice 5: when something like this is sent to us what is the purpose for so yeah it's actually a policy

[2:22:12] Voice 5: of trust council that um adjacent

[2:22:15] Voice 8: local trust committees um get uh referred the bylaw maybe

[2:22:23] Voice 8: potentially there could be a viola that might affect your interest

[2:22:26] Voice 8: the policy of trust council and the director was a trustee he tried to get a change

[2:22:44] Voice 9: it's funny because now that i think about it that there could be something that would affect

[2:22:48] Voice 9: our interests so for instance if they decided to do something that would cause like a huge

[2:22:53] Voice 9: residential density development to be facing tender that would affect our interests

[2:22:59] Voice 9: right yeah like

[2:23:00] Voice 9: so so yeah i think there could be but this isn't i don't feel like this most

[2:23:05] Voice 4: often it's interest unaffected but there are there i'm just

[2:23:08] Voice 4: curious where your interests may be yeah

[2:23:12] Voice 9: but

[2:23:12] Voice 4: if you want

[2:23:13] Trustee Maude: to have some fun yeah

[2:23:14] Voice 9: push it back and be like no okay uh

[2:23:18] Voice 9: which where is your

[2:23:19] Voice 9: change in motion there

[2:23:20] Trustee Maude: is no motion just in the motion we just said that your interest is 68.

[2:23:23] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[2:23:25] Voice 9: I don't have a page of where that is, but there's no motion.

[2:23:28] Voice 9: So just interest unaffected.

[2:23:30] Voice 11: Do

[2:23:30] Voice 9: we have to make a motion to say that?

[2:23:32] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:23:33] Voice 11: Okay, ready?

[2:23:34] Voice 9: Sure.

[2:23:35] Voice 9: Ready, Pat?

[2:23:39] Voice 15: Yes, I'm used to those.

[2:23:42] Voice 9: So I move that North Bender Island Local Trust Committee indicate our interests are unaffected

[2:23:49] Voice 9: by bylaw uh saterna island local trust area bylaw 136 137

[2:23:56] Trustee Maude: seconded a discussion all question all in

[2:23:59] Trustee Maude: favor that carries all right now we get to land use bylaw review project and i'd lead us over to

[2:24:09] Trustee Maude: planner stock bill thank

[2:24:11] Voice 16: you chair mod so this staff report is um really to provide a summary

[2:24:18] Voice 16: on the land use bylaw review project outlining what was done in the past the decisions that are

[2:24:28] Voice 16: still required to be made and then the next steps so as I mentioned in the staff report I provided

[2:24:35] Voice 16: a brief background an overview of the bylaws a timeline and just as a refresher last summer

[2:24:43] Voice 16: the LTC held three community information meetings regarding this project. In September,

[2:24:52] Voice 16: bylaws were given second reading and there was direction to hold a public hearing.

[2:24:59] Voice 16: In October, a special meeting, we had hoped to hold a special meeting in October,

[2:25:04] Voice 16: but both the special meeting and public hearing was deferred until after the term. In the staff

[2:25:12] Voice 16: As I mentioned, I've outlined a number of changes that have been made to date and I've sectioned them into the seven topics.

[2:25:21] Voice 16: And I've also made a list of items that need to be flagged for discussion.

[2:25:27] Voice 16: And these items don't need to be discussed today.

[2:25:30] Voice 16: It's more so just as a reminder to all of us, items that I will be reporting at at the next meeting.

[2:25:38] Voice 16: So as I mentioned on the first page, there is no recommendation. It's more a discussion with the LTC of trying to determine a date for a special meeting to discuss the Land Use By-law further and to discuss those items outlined that still need a decision.

[2:25:59] Voice 16: I know there had been mention about scheduling the February 25th special meeting, and one

[2:26:08] Voice 16: of those topics is the land use by-law review.

[2:26:11] Voice 16: So I just want to confirm with the LTC that they are in agreeance that staff will bring

[2:26:17] Voice 16: forward a staff report to that special meeting with information on all the items listed on

[2:26:24] Voice 16: page 79 of the agenda.

[2:26:27] Voice 16: agenda thank you

[2:26:30] Trustee Maude: trustee over to you questions comments concerns

[2:26:39] Voice 5: i think we should schedule a special meeting part of it to get all up to speed on

[2:26:48] Voice 5: maybe a little

[2:26:48] Voice 9: more in depth so that is my understanding kim that the 25th meeting we

[2:26:54] Voice 9: will have um i think brad there was two right there's a budget discussion for

[2:26:59] Voice 4: an hour 15 and

[2:27:01] Voice 4: in the land use by-law review discussion for 1.45.

[2:27:05] Voice 9: Yeah, so that would be great

[2:27:06] Voice 9: to highlight those particular issues.

[2:27:09] Voice 9: I mean, looking at the list of issues,

[2:27:11] Voice 9: I know that, yeah, it's here.

[2:27:13] Voice 9: The rezone 1,211 Port Wash from CE1.

[2:27:17] Voice 9: I really wanna make sure that we're considering

[2:27:19] Voice 9: each of those lots as a separate piece

[2:27:22] Voice 9: because there is a different intention

[2:27:24] Voice 9: with each of those lots by the landowner themselves.

[2:27:26] Voice 9: sell. And so I don't want to cause a community uproar on

[2:27:31] Voice 9: something that the landowner never intended in the first

[2:27:33] Voice 9: place. So if we can just confirm that, like, that there's a

[2:27:38] Voice 9: reason for the non waterfront lot to rural residential and

[2:27:44] Voice 9: the waterfront would stay at sea to with the shed remaining on

[2:27:48] Voice 9: it. That's right. Okay.

[2:27:59] Trustee Maude: So, that's about it for Kim on this.

[2:28:01] Voice 9: I think that was it.

[2:28:02] Voice 9: That's it?

[2:28:04] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:28:04] Trustee Maude: Apparently you've done good.

[2:28:09] Voice 8: So does the LTC want to schedule a special meeting?

[2:28:12] Voice 8: We

[2:28:13] Voice 9: have one scheduled.

[2:28:13] Voice 8: In particular, prior

[2:28:14] Voice 8: to the February 24th.

[2:28:17] Voice 5: Yeah, I was thinking that, yeah,

[2:28:20] Voice 10: for us there's supposed

[2:28:22] Voice 5: to be a special meeting to go over the whole thing, and then it'll be, it's not public consultation

[2:28:28] Voice 5: presentation on the 25th I think it is 25th

[2:28:31] Voice 5: but it's uh public public information right

[2:28:35] Voice 5: if

[2:28:36] Voice 4: you had a special meeting prior to the meeting on the 25th and it might allow the 25th to be more

[2:28:43] Voice 4: of a dialogue as you were hoping with the community about the work you're doing rather

[2:28:48] Voice 4: than spending all that time you and the other trustees actually discussing the merits and

[2:28:56] Voice 5: potential challenges because

[2:28:57] Voice 4: because the

[2:28:58] Voice 5: saturday meeting won't really be like a work meeting as

[2:29:01] Voice 5: such more

[2:29:02] Voice 4: intended i think to be a

[2:29:03] Voice 5: dialogue with

[2:29:05] Voice 4: the public about the work we're doing

[2:29:06] Voice 4: not that watching you do your work yeah

[2:29:08] Voice 9: so i am i go for that somehow the word special meeting

[2:29:13] Voice 9: just stuck with the february 25th it would

[2:29:15] Voice 23: also be a special meeting yeah

[2:29:17] Voice 9: i know i just wasn't

[2:29:19] Voice 9: thinking that way so

[2:29:19] Voice 23: the two special meetings yeah that's

[2:29:21] Voice 23: really what so

[2:29:22] Voice 9: sorry kim if i missed

[2:29:23] Voice 9: this did you have suggested dates for that or you just want us to direct you to find those dates

[2:29:28] Voice 9: no

[2:29:29] Voice 16: i was hoping we could all look at our our schedules right now and pick a date that would

[2:29:36] Voice 9: be the easiest because then it would be resolution without meeting david do you know you probably have

[2:29:41] Voice 9: the most limited schedule Wednesdays

[2:29:44] Trustee Maude: really work good for me because we

[2:29:45] Trustee Maude: have like my Wednesdays

[2:29:47] Trustee Maude: are destroyed by ec uh because they have a meeting in the morning so like wednesday afternoons tend

[2:29:53] Trustee Maude: to work for me but you know you guys figure something out and i'll do my best to sort of

[2:29:58] Trustee Maude: to make it work.

[2:30:00] Voice 9: so wednesdays as in and so we're trying to get this in in the next month i

[2:30:04] Voice 4: think we're thinking

[2:30:05] Voice 4: of an electron yeah that's

[2:30:07] Voice 9: i'm going with that so um so

[2:30:12] Voice 16: we could also do friday february 10th

[2:30:16] Voice 16: if that works oh there is the government's committee and i believe you're a part of that

[2:30:22] Voice 16: chair morrison or trustee morrison are you no

[2:30:26] Voice 9: no i'm

[2:30:27] Voice 16: not okay so possibly friday february 10th

[2:30:30] Trustee Maude: yeah that's workable works for me okay yeah

[2:30:33] Voice 16: i could do the

[2:30:34] Voice 9: eighth before that there's something

[2:30:39] Voice 9: and i can move that it's related to the trust as well um so i could do either one of those

[2:30:45] Voice 9: especially if it's an electronic meeting and

[2:30:48] Voice 6: we're

[2:30:51] Voice 9: talking afternoon right or whatever

[2:30:53] Voice 16: whatever time

[2:30:55] Voice 16: works best for everybody yeah

[2:30:57] Voice 9: anything for me after that 10 30 i have a standing meeting now

[2:31:01] Voice 9: in the mornings on friday so anything after 10 30 works so one o

[2:31:05] Voice 9: 'clock start one o'clock start

[2:31:06] Voice 9: yeah that that works yeah

[2:31:08] Voice 17: great

[2:31:16] Voice 16: and there's no uh res or resolution required for that because

[2:31:20] Voice 16: because we deferred that special meeting

[2:31:22] Voice 16: and that we were supposed to have in October.

[2:31:26] Voice 9: And then maybe just one other piece about all of them

[2:31:29] Voice 9: and just probably that we'd read that into first reading.

[2:31:34] Voice 9: So one of the reasons why we're not going

[2:31:36] Voice 9: to a special hearing or to a public hearing right now

[2:31:40] Voice 9: is as soon as we do a public hearing,

[2:31:43] Voice 9: we can't shift the density on McKinnon Road.

[2:31:45] Voice 9: So we have to get some consensus in our community

[2:31:48] Voice 9: about the density on McKinnon Road before we go to public hearing.

[2:31:52] Voice 9: So just to be aware that that's why we haven't gone to the next step,

[2:31:55] Voice 9: because there's some problem in shifting density after a public hearing,

[2:32:00] Voice 9: just to be aware of that. Right. Is that right, Kim?

[2:32:06] Voice 16: That's correct.

[2:32:07] Voice 16: You cannot change a user density after the closing of a public hearing.

[2:32:11] Voice 16: Okay. Thank you.

[2:32:12] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:32:14] Trustee Maude: All right. So we're all clear on that. All right. Great.

[2:32:18] Trustee Maude: So we can move on.

[2:32:23] Trustee Maude: I didn't, I'm watching the clock, you know, they're watching the clock, so we're all watching the clock, all of us, we don't care about you, you're walking, so.

[2:32:30] Voice 15: Excuse me?

[2:32:31] Trustee Maude: Yes.

[2:32:32] Voice 15: Chairman, was that meeting then scheduled for 1 p.m. February 10th?

[2:32:36] Voice 10: Yes, it is.

[2:32:37] Voice 15: Thank you.

[2:32:38] Voice 15: And the location?

[2:32:39] Voice 15: Virtual.

[2:32:40] Voice 10: It's virtual Zoom.

[2:32:41] Voice 15: Okay, virtual Zoom. Okay, thank you.

[2:32:43] Trustee Maude: Thank you so much.

[2:32:46] Trustee Maude: So now we're moving on to the proposed feed bylaw.

[2:32:52] Trustee Maude: so who wants to move that i

[2:32:54] Voice 9: don't okay

[2:32:59] Trustee Maude: all right um i assume that regional planning manager tajima is going to open the floor

[2:33:06] Trustee Maude: yeah

[2:33:06] Voice 8: i can speak to it um so this is the model fee bylaw endorsed by trust council last term

[2:33:12] Voice 8: and recommended to local trustees or local trust committees for adoption

[2:33:15] Voice 8: option was developed by the Regional Planning Committee last term with the intent that a

[2:33:21] greater portion of the costs associated with application processing are covered.

[2:33:32] Voice 8: Local Trust Committee did consider the fee by-law in 2022, a couple meetings, and a community

[2:33:37] Voice 8: information meeting.

[2:33:39] Voice 8: However, the decision to proceed or not to proceed was deferred to the new term.

[2:33:46] Voice 8: the recommendation is to proceed with the readings of the fee bylaw

[2:33:50] Voice 8: would improve cost recovery and framework vendors fees in line with uh almost

[2:33:56] Voice 8: almost all

[2:33:57] Voice 9: two rogue ones going on

[2:34:02] Voice 3: we're going to work with you is this eternal

[2:34:10] Trustee Maude: okay um

[2:34:11] Voice 5: shelly

[2:34:12] Voice 9: you want to do more so can i just give a little bit or do you want to move it

[2:34:16] Voice 5: no

[2:34:19] Voice 5: i wanted to know how we can have a discussion about some of this stuff without well we're here

[2:34:32] Trustee Maude: we're

[2:34:33] Voice 9: here we can talk about

[2:34:34] Voice 9: it right now without moving the motion okay because

[2:34:36] Trustee Maude: everything can be

[2:34:37] Trustee Maude: amended everything can be done

[2:34:38] Voice 5: um i was wondering what the purpose of the 120 bond was and how that

[2:34:48] Voice 5: that fits into what that would be applied to basically,

[2:34:55] Voice 5: where that goes.

[2:34:58] Voice 5: Also, specifically the use permits,

[2:35:02] Voice 5: it seems like the way the temporary use permits are used

[2:35:09] Voice 5: here, they're sort of a,

[2:35:13] Voice 5: they become a tool to kind of test drive something

[2:35:17] Voice 5: without having to actually write them into dialogue.

[2:35:20] Voice 5: up and it seems like a high price on a temporary use permit or sort

[2:35:31] Voice 8: of what people get out of them

[2:35:32] Voice 8: i guess the first question was about the bonds yeah um so they're almost exclusively for

[2:35:39] Voice 8: landscaping or restoration associated with development permits so a condition of a

[2:35:44] development permit could be uh restoration environmental protection uh or landscaping

[2:35:54] for say the driftwood center that's had a number of permits over the years so a bond can be taken

[2:36:01] um for security can be taken um to ensure that the

[2:36:06] Voice 8: landscaping gets completed

[2:36:08] Voice 8: system

[2:36:08] Voice 5: so that's refunded when so and then like earlier today in an example being the lot on

[2:36:18] Voice 5: schooner um if remedial work is required as a um condition to their uh permit yeah we would take

[2:36:28] Voice 5: we could could take a security take a security and and that would ensure that that work was

[2:36:36] Voice 5: going to get done either by them or by a private contractor or ultimately if the

[2:36:44] Voice 8: work's not done

[2:36:44] Voice 8: by the applicant um we could hire contractors so the 125 percent is to cover the inflation passage

[2:36:55] Voice 8: of time so

[2:36:57] Voice 5: wouldn't affect the again um i guess like an average say residential build in magic

[2:37:05] Voice 5: Lake, if there's no development permit area there?

[2:37:13] Voice 5: Yeah, it's not a development permit area. It doesn't mean a development permit.

[2:37:17] Voice 5: So it would only

[2:37:19] Voice 8: affect development permit, DPAs?

[2:37:21] Voice 8: Yeah, I think all the bonds we've taken, all the securities we've taken, in my recollection, have been for related to development permits.

[2:37:31] Voice 8: I'm trying to think if we've ever taken one for a temporary use permit, potentially.

[2:37:36] Voice 8: If there's a

[2:37:37] Voice 8: landscaping, like a remediation requirement for a temporary use permit, we might give a security for that.

[2:37:44] Voice 8: So there was a gravel processing temporary

[2:37:48] Voice 8: use permit, and then they had to restore the site.

[2:37:51] Voice 8: Right. We might take a security as a condition of that.

[2:37:57] Voice 8: So the fees are an imperfect estimate of the cost or a portion of the cost of processing

[2:38:07] Voice 8: the permit and all the things that go into that, the notification, the paper in the case

[2:38:15] Voice 8: of the GDP, and then the staff, some portion of the staff cost.

[2:38:21] Voice 8: so a regional planning committee worked through that last term

[2:38:26] Voice 8: through various estimates and various attempts to estimate the cost

[2:38:31] Voice 5: i'm just trying to find that page was there a for a new was there a different did it differentiate

[2:38:37] Voice 5: between a new temporary use permit and a renewal it's

[2:38:41] Voice 8: the same as now so a renewal is much lower

[2:38:43] Voice 8: fee because there's no notification for renewal um where and the staff work is less it's just

[2:38:51] Voice 8: Do you want to renew this permit LTC or not.

[2:38:55] Here, you know, something like that.

[2:38:59] Whereas a new permit, site visits, notification, advertising.

[2:39:07] Voice 8: There's

[2:39:07] Voice 4: always been a difference between the renewal and temporary.

[2:39:12] Voice 4: Correct me if I'm wrong, but what advantage of the application of bonds on development permits are unlike

[2:39:19] Voice 4: like a development variance infraction

[2:39:22] Voice 4: or something like that where we can issue tickets,

[2:39:25] Voice 4: we can't issue tickets for non-compliance

[2:39:28] Voice 4: of development permit conditions.

[2:39:31] Voice 4: And so the advantage of the bond

[2:39:33] Voice 4: is that it gives us another lever before court action

[2:39:37] Voice 4: with those development permit files,

[2:39:39] Voice 4: whereas Warren could issue a permit for other type

[2:39:43] Voice 4: or a ticket, you know, ongoing tickets

[2:39:45] Voice 4: for other types of infractions

[2:39:46] Voice 4: to try to force them to comply.

[2:39:52] Voice 10: Good.

[2:39:52] Voice 10: Ms. Morrison.

[2:39:55] Voice 9: So one of the things that I was talking about yesterday with Brad

[2:39:59] Voice 9: was my concern about the fee bylaw.

[2:40:05] Voice 9: One of the reasons I wanted to push it forward

[2:40:06] Voice 9: was just to have a discussion about if I am a landowner

[2:40:11] Voice 9: and I want to put a conservation covenant on my property,

[2:40:16] Voice 9: how much does it cost?

[2:40:17] Voice 9: cost and that's I get asked that quite often right and the answer from people who have done it is

[2:40:25] Voice 9: like ten thousand plus dollars in reporting in all sorts of different kinds of things that they

[2:40:30] Voice 9: have to provide to the conservancy and in fees so I guess my question is in the and I was like

[2:40:37] Voice 9: hunting for it and for whatever reason of the language of the model of my law I can't understand

[2:40:42] Voice 9: it. So what is the actual fee that the Islands Trust is charging if somebody is asking to put

[2:40:48] Voice 9: a covenant on it?

[2:40:50] Voice 8: So this is a development fee bylaw. So that's not, that's like an APTAC covenant

[2:40:56] Voice 8: with the ITC. They have their

[2:40:58] Voice 8: own, they have their own fee and charge that the board, the ITC board

[2:41:03] Voice 8: establishes. This is the local trust committee's fees for applications considered by the local trust.

[2:41:08] Voice 8: Thank

[2:41:08] Voice 9: you. That's why I couldn't find it. That was bugging me a lot. Okay. Okay, so so it's something that we might want to consider with the conservancy around that because for me personally, I would love it like we ended up with I think a couple thousand

[2:41:24] Voice 9: dollars i think of like extra leftover like north pender funds last term and i would love to just

[2:41:31] Voice 9: throw that at like community members thinking about doing that but i don't know if we can do

[2:41:35] Voice 9: that so i would like to figure out how to make sure that those fees are not expensive so that

[2:41:40] Voice 9: people can cover something new

[2:41:44] Voice 8: uh itc was looking for another board member yeah

[2:41:49] Voice 9: we can have a long

[2:41:50] Voice 9: conversation about that over some kind of beverage okay all right so yeah so from my understanding

[2:42:00] Voice 9: these fees are really just an inflationary step um yeah

[2:42:04] Voice 8: it's a catch-up because the last time i

[2:42:06] Voice 8: think it was in the staff report the last time i think it was more than 12 years ago

[2:42:11] Voice 8: i would love

[2:42:15] Voice 9: to hear from our esteemed colleague from saturn why saturn hasn't passed theirs

[2:42:21] Voice 7: There's a variety of reasons if I'm allowed to speak, but one of the critical ones is that, you know, the basis behind this is that they did not want to see the general budget increase to continue to fund these things.

[2:42:36] Voice 7: And what we've seen over the last few years is the general budget increases regardless.

[2:42:42] Voice 7: And so the rationale for one of the rationales, principal rationales, was to take pressure off general taxpayers for funding these things.

[2:42:51] Voice 7: And the trustees on Saturna in particular, this one, since I was on the financial planning committee for the last 11 years, there is absolutely no, to me, there was very little tie between the two.

[2:43:07] Voice 7: I would have expected to see some difference in terms of an acknowledgement that general property taxes levied by the trust would go down.

[2:43:17] Voice 7: And I have yet to see that, and I don't see it in the current budget of the trust.

[2:43:24] Voice 7: So just from a matter of principle, and again, we have some issues with stuff like temporary use permits, because we believe they're kind of a tester.

[2:43:34] Voice 7: it does this make sense is this is this this is a good way to test it and maybe we should go with

[2:43:40] Voice 7: the rezoning after we've done it a few times and

[2:43:43] Voice 5: uh

[2:43:44] Voice 7: i found the kind of dollars um associated with

[2:43:48] Voice 7: it are are kind of scary so that's why who knows what the current uh trust committee will do but i

[2:43:56] Voice 7: found a number of the of the uh the piece of charges and the general increase inappropriate

[2:44:03] Voice 7: appropriate to what

[2:44:05] Voice 9: they were asking

[2:44:06] Voice 7: for so

[2:44:07] Voice 9: i would personally like to push this one to our

[2:44:10] Voice 9: march meeting just because i need to give it some more time to think about it and i i have had a lot

[2:44:15] Voice 9: of different community conversations but issues like what paul's bringing up and and i have some

[2:44:21] Voice 9: other issues inside like there's a lot of things tied up in this like and i don't necessarily want

[2:44:27] Voice 9: to get into it here it's like trust council level questions about like the governance and planning

[2:44:31] Voice 9: planning services and various things and nothing against staff individually but I just want to like

[2:44:38] Voice 9: I don't want to ask taxpayers or anybody frankly for more money unless I know that we have our own

[2:44:43] Voice 9: house in order

[2:44:44] Voice 7: so I have a question to staff I understand there were some changes at the provincial

[2:44:49] Voice 7: level that might not require local trust committees in the southern gulf islands to advertise in a

[2:44:55] Voice 7: very expensive direct quote and there's other alternatives available I know we're looking at

[2:44:59] Voice 7: that in respect of stuff at the capital regional district where if we have a water system that

[2:45:05] Voice 7: serves 38 people that a advert for six or seven hundred dollars isn't nearly as effective as

[2:45:12] Voice 7: sending a letter out to the 38 individuals yeah so

[2:45:15] Voice 8: the recent recent changes to the local

[2:45:17] Voice 8: government act and so um in the subsequent report the priorities report i mentioned that there's

[2:45:25] Voice 8: CHANGES TO ADMINISTRATIVE BYLAWS COMING LATER THIS YEAR THAT COULD ALLOW YOU TO ADVERTISE

[2:45:31] Voice 8: AN ULTERNATE NEEDS IN A DIRECT WAY.

[2:45:33] Voice 7: MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

[2:45:38] Voice 7: THAT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL DRIVER IN THE COST

[2:45:41] Voice 8: OF THINGS LIKE TUPs.

[2:45:42] Voice 8: TUPs, BYLAWS, ANYTHING GOING TO PUBLIC HEARING.

[2:45:49] Trustee Maude: and of course

[2:45:56] Trustee Maude: so just for guidance perhaps robert if the trustees want to defer to the march meeting

[2:46:02] Trustee Maude: does that need a motion or can it just by consent by consent just so you're happy with okay we will

[2:46:09] Trustee Maude: move back to march and i'll get you on that thanks

[2:46:15] Trustee Maude: Yes, because at the

[2:46:17] Voice 9: I did not

[2:46:20] Trustee Maude: post corporate line.

[2:46:23] Trustee Maude: Okay, so the next one, North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Draft Delegation File Number 231 Staff Report.

[2:46:31] Trustee Maude: So this is also

[2:46:33] Voice 8: back on this LTC's agenda from last term.

[2:46:37] Voice 8: So this is for consideration of a bylaw to delegate issuance of most development permits to staff.

[2:46:45] Voice 8: There's a template bylaw, that's what the bylaw that's attached, that was endorsed by Trust Council, along with a policy by new staff in addition to the bylaw.

[2:46:59] Voice 8: Delegation bylaws have now been adopted by Galleon and Salt Spring Local Trust Committees.

[2:47:06] Voice 8: As I said last term will trust me consider the delegation by law, the only development

[2:47:15] Voice 8: permit area proposed not to be delegated, the former character permits, the design ones

[2:47:22] Voice 8: the driftwood centers, the one that periodically comes to the local trust committees vendor

[2:47:29] Voice 8: over the years, staff are recommending proceeding with the bylaw trust councils and doors the

[2:47:36] Voice 8: template uh north bender has been prioritized because of the volume of permit applications

[2:47:43] Voice 8: and delegation would approve improve the efficiency of processing development permits

[2:47:48] Voice 8: and in particular north bender has now scheduled fewer business meetings

[2:47:54] Trustee Maude: to just reduce delays so we were just discussing um the the trees and that dpa under this would

[2:48:04] Trustee Maude: that dpa permit that they would be applying for would that be processed by staff the dp would be

[2:48:11] Voice 8: that dp would be processed by staff i don't want to speak to the specifics of it because we don't

[2:48:16] Voice 8: want it but based on policy if they didn't comply with all the guidelines we would refuse it and

[2:48:25] they would they then appeal to the local trust committee so it's it's intended that the routine

[2:48:31] team dps that were

[2:48:33] Voice 8: um especially last term for north pender a former trustee got quite frustrated

[2:48:38] Voice 8: having these routine development permits for geotechnical development permits on sydney

[2:48:43] Voice 8: island for example those would you know they tick all the boxes on the form those um would

[2:48:52] Voice 8: now be issued by

[2:48:52] Voice 5: staff i think for myself i i can't really pass something i don't understand

[2:49:03] Voice 5: in a sense and and to not be not at least put my best foot forward and being involved in what

[2:49:12] Voice 5: is going on on the island would be poor for me so i think that i don't know if you if we can

[2:49:22] Voice 5: push it off for a while to make a decision like that or if uh if you just say no and bring it

[2:49:31] Voice 5: back and then at a future time i'm not sure how you move ahead to something like that but you can

[2:49:37] Voice 5: you can defer it to a specific date

[2:49:39] Voice 8: you could defer it potentially until next year for example

[2:49:42] Voice 8: maybe by that time you had dealt with a few dps at the at the table yeah

[2:49:49] Voice 9: i i definitely think that

[2:49:51] Voice 9: it's a good idea to defer it for a year given that you need to understand what it looks like when we

[2:49:56] Voice 9: hit these and i also like i want to understand like it would be really helpful if we defer it

[2:50:02] Voice 9: for a year to flag it every time we have one that would have been processed for staff so we can

[2:50:06] Voice 9: understand like this is the stuff that would have been processed by staff this is the stuff that

[2:50:11] Voice 9: would depend there i think regardless of if it's like and when we look at it again we need to kind

[2:50:19] Voice 9: of look at that but we should always get a report on which ones have been processed by staff even if

[2:50:24] Voice 9: like in the future so that we know we have we're in the loop on what's being approved um but there

[2:50:30] Voice 9: were just so many things it was brutal that were

[2:50:33] Voice 9: like things we couldn't really do anything about

[2:50:36] Voice 9: because they were just like in our dps like we didn't have really a decision to make

[2:50:39] Voice 9: and that's there's problems with that frankly from the how the dps are structured and what

[2:50:45] Voice 9: that is the tool that are we're working on government's level potentially or in other areas

[2:50:49] Voice 9: but yeah

[2:50:50] Trustee Maude: moving forward if this type of thing was considered would it could there be a process

[2:50:56] Trustee Maude: not like a violation that when an application is submitted that the trustees sort of get a

[2:51:03] Trustee Maude: heads up saying an application submitted submitted for this type of dp so if the trustees have any

[2:51:10] Trustee Maude: input they can just so rather than just going through the office without being on our radar

[2:51:16] Trustee Maude: at least it could be on our radar and we could say we would like to discuss it type of thing

[2:51:21] Trustee Maude: yeah

[2:51:21] Voice 8: so the policy would be this the procedure would be the same you'd get a copy of the

[2:51:27] Voice 8: application just like we do now um and then you can always talk to the planner or the director

[2:51:34] or the manager about it like

[2:51:38] Voice 8: i said earlier you know it's a bylaw right it would delegate

[2:51:41] Voice 8: staff but um it doesn't if it doesn't comply with the guidelines uh we would reject it and they

[2:51:51] would appeal to the local trust committee and then

[2:51:53] Voice 8: the local trust committee would use their

[2:51:55] Voice 8: discretion to decide whether or not to proceed with the dp because it's not complying with this

[2:52:01] Voice 8: or that but

[2:52:02] Trustee Maude: would there be a format where they're actually there would be an additional

[2:52:07] Trustee Maude: taking in the box saying that the level trust committee wishes to discuss it

[2:52:11] Voice 8: you could discuss it because the delegation is in the bylaw you can't just kind of pick and choose

[2:52:18] Voice 8: randomly okay

[2:52:19] Voice 9: so i think the one thing that i would prefer to see in this model bylar like

[2:52:24] Voice 9: how it is is and we can discuss this more if we bring it back but one of the things that um like

[2:52:30] Voice 9: given what what we hit in our community the things that are contentious the things that are

[2:52:37] Voice 9: bylaw enforcement issues that then come back through a permitting process we have to see

[2:52:41] Voice 9: every one of them right like it doesn't matter what form of permanent is if it was a violent

[2:52:45] Voice 9: enforcement issue we have to see the remedy like i feel like that is a bit of an issue for us

[2:52:51] Voice 9: because some it informs us for one on like what changes and bylaws might be needed if we had a

[2:52:58] Voice 9: violent enforcement problem or what the tensions are so i don't i don't know but i think deferring

[2:53:05] Voice 9: this for a year is the right move right now and then we can kind of just keep it in mind and think

[2:53:09] Voice 9: about it

[2:53:09] Trustee Maude: so again we can do by consensus defer to like january yep it's okay so pat we're referring

[2:53:15] Trustee Maude: into next january all right so next on is the groundwater suspense sustainability implementation

[2:53:22] Trustee Maude: project update and is kind of old planner chadwick is there hey hi there

[2:53:30] Voice 2: it looks like nobody else's

[2:53:31] Voice 2: camera is uh working is that correct um

[2:53:34] Trustee Maude: i think we have bandwidth issues oh

[2:53:36] Voice 2: okay yeah because i

[2:53:37] Voice 2: can only see myself, which is weird. Um, yeah, so I am here to

[2:53:45] Voice 2: just provide a bit of an overview of where the where the

[2:53:51] Voice 2: groundwater implementation project got to last term and and

[2:53:56] Voice 2: identify some step forward from here. So you can see the

[2:54:02] Voice 2: recommendations, there's there's three recommendations in front

[2:54:05] Voice 2: of you what is related to the revision of the project charter so if you are wanting to move

[2:54:13] Voice 2: forward with the project we will need to update the project charter um the project um went as far

[2:54:20] Voice 2: as uh as the drafting of bylaws um but because we weren't able to find uh time because the focus

[2:54:29] Voice 2: sort of the focus was very much on the land use bylaw review so in uh the trustee meetings uh

[2:54:36] Voice 2: there wasn't a lot of time to actually delve into the details of the groundwater project and in

[2:54:42] Voice 2: addition to that we we we did try to schedule some some um focus time um but but uh we weren't able

[2:54:49] Voice 2: to do that either so um because we weren't able to have those focused decisions um the uh the

[2:54:56] Voice 2: the project sort of slowed down.

[2:55:00] Voice 2: It has been moving forward on Galliano

[2:55:03] Voice 2: and they're actually moving to first reading

[2:55:04] Voice 2: at their next meeting.

[2:55:06] Voice 2: And the good news for North Pender

[2:55:07] Voice 2: is that we can integrate what we've learned

[2:55:10] Voice 2: from Galliano's process into North Pender's process.

[2:55:16] Voice 2: And we did learn like a lot of things

[2:55:20] Voice 2: that worked really well.

[2:55:21] Voice 2: And in particular was the opportunity

[2:55:25] Voice 2: opportunity to have the focus discussions with the with the LTC in Galliano and to have a very

[2:55:32] Voice 2: focused community meeting where we were able to put up maps and talk to individuals and have

[2:55:38] Voice 2: presentations and conversations so um the other two recommendations there for you are to um to

[2:55:45] Voice 2: organize a special meeting for the LTC so we can go through all of the details of the groundwater

[2:55:50] Voice 2: water sustainability implementation project and the options for the groundwater protection

[2:55:56] Voice 2: development permit area. So there's two parts to the project. There's the part that focuses

[2:56:02] Voice 2: on, there's a portion of it that's amendment to the land use bylaw. And so that portion

[2:56:10] Voice 2: The second portion focuses on system requirements for new builds and updates to proof of water regulations.

[2:56:20] Voice 2: And so because you're already moving through a land use bylaw review process,

[2:56:25] Voice 2: process, the LTC supported the recommendation to incorporate the proposed, those proposed pieces into the land use bylaw review process. So those will be included in that process. But if we are to have a special meeting for the LTC to focus on the project as a whole, that'll be an opportunity to provide some details on that piece, independent of the other conversations that are having.

[2:56:55] Voice 2: happening um related to the land use bylaw um amendment process um the other part is uh

[2:57:03] Voice 2: the ocp amendments and so in terms of the ocp amendments there are two kind of parts i guess

[2:57:11] Voice 2: one is a general amendment so basically updates to objectives and policies to focus on groundwater

[2:57:18] Voice 2: sustainability and acknowledge um indigenous indigenous cultural knowledge um there is um

[2:57:26] Voice 2: um the update to groundwater regions um update to some of the um some of the policies just to

[2:57:35] Voice 2: better align with um um with the uh the the potential of um of uh of incorporating a uh

[2:57:46] Voice 2: development permit area and so this the second sort of the major part of this is the creation

[2:57:51] Voice 2: of the Delaware permit area and attached to this to this staff report is a memo that provides

[2:58:00] Voice 2: details on the process that staff used to basically connect the scientific research

[2:58:14] Voice 2: research pieces to planning.

[2:58:18] Voice 2: So that method is identified and it basically looks

[2:58:22] Voice 2: at how critical recharge areas were identified

[2:58:30] Voice 2: and how those were, and it comes up with a number

[2:58:33] Voice 2: of options for development permit areas,

[2:58:38] Voice 2: which look at lot coverage.

[2:58:41] Voice 2: So I won't go into detail on that unless you'd like me to

[2:58:44] Voice 2: now but we can that's something that we could go into more we would go into more detail in a more

[2:58:49] Voice 2: focused meeting um so the other piece as i as i mentioned was um um we found on on galliano was

[2:59:01] Voice 2: um having a an in-person community information meeting um so william shelva the senior fresh

[2:59:09] Voice 2: water specialist and myself, we went over to Galliano with big maps of the recharge areas.

[2:59:22] Voice 2: Some of them had detailed science on it, some of them were very simple. We had the information

[2:59:28] Voice 2: presented at different levels and we also had the different options for development permit areas

[2:59:36] Voice 2: is out there on big maps and providing opportunity

[2:59:40] Voice 2: for people to have discussion.

[2:59:41] Voice 2: So the staff is recommending

[2:59:45] Voice 2: that that would be a very good step

[2:59:48] Voice 2: if you decide to move forward with this project.

[2:59:52] Voice 2: So I will just leave it at that

[2:59:54] Voice 2: and open it up for questions you might have.

[3:00:00] Voice 5: trustees we have questions i'm just wondering about the organizing a special meeting to get up

[3:00:05] Voice 5: on on all of that and just starting there and then seeing where we want to go with it so you're

[3:00:13] Voice 9: saying before the end of march yeah

[3:00:15] Voice 2: so that's one something i didn't mention is that there

[3:00:18] Voice 2: there is some funding in the budget in the previous fiscal um for this project so um

[3:00:24] Voice 2: um that would give us an opportunity to use the the existing funding yeah

[3:00:29] Voice 9: so I I think that that

[3:00:31] Voice 9: would be really helpful in terms of like thinking about that in the community with other things that

[3:00:36] Voice 9: we're doing already March

[3:00:38] Voice 5: is pretty quick for us to have a special meeting and then like yeah yeah

[3:00:44] Voice 5: for the three of us to have a special meeting and then to have a community meeting I don't know you

[3:00:48] Voice 5: get that done before march 31st are

[3:00:50] Voice 9: we thinking about a community meeting just a community meeting

[3:00:54] Voice 9: or do we need also to have a separate meeting i'm like quite happy to do it as a community meeting

[3:01:01] Voice 9: like we in our in our land use bylaw meeting potentially are getting briefed a little bit more

[3:01:06] Voice 9: on the on the way that water might fit into that because as we talked about before we're hoping to

[3:01:11] Voice 9: include some of that potentially just in our current land use bylaw work um so if we just

[3:01:17] Voice 9: make the briefing for staff part of the meeting or for us part of the meeting that we already

[3:01:23] Voice 9: just scheduled and then schedule a community information meeting in early march that might

[3:01:28] Voice 9: be the best just so just and if it was in early march we have a february 25th meeting that's a

[3:01:35] Voice 9: more general online news by now so actually it's just council yeah so like either before or after

[3:01:43] Voice 9: like maybe two weeks after the so like whatever is right after trust council or

[3:01:48] Trustee Maude: 24th again you're

[3:01:49] Trustee Maude: you have a meeting the 25th

[3:01:52] Trustee Maude: the 24th 25th 27th 24th of march you are

[3:01:58] Voice 9: wrong that's not it sorry

[3:02:00] Trustee Maude: well that's for staff put

[3:02:02] Voice 8: it on my calendar february is your special meeting

[3:02:07] Voice 5: sorry oh

[3:02:08] Voice 9: we have a meeting like regular meeting yeah

[3:02:10] Voice 9: so what i'm saying is if we go to the 4th or

[3:02:13] Voice 9: the 11th as a community information meeting for water specifically then maybe the 11th

[3:02:19] Voice 9: so it's after trust council for us so we've you know how many things can we read in a week um but

[3:02:24] Voice 9: anyway if we go to this you can read a lot earlier um so 8th or 4th or 11th it might be a good

[3:02:32] Voice 9: opportunity timing because it keeps it in the minds with the land use quite a lot having been

[3:02:37] Voice 9: in just a couple weeks you're

[3:02:39] Voice 5: saying for like a community

[3:02:41] Voice 9: level information on the fourth of the

[3:02:44] Voice 9: 11th and and understanding that those information meetings we are not making decisions at those

[3:02:50] Voice 9: we're listening as much as everybody else is to what's going on in that space and so i think it's

[3:02:56] Voice 9: it's beneficial to have them reasonably close to the land use bylaw meeting so people keep the

[3:03:00] Voice 9: hole in their head so

[3:03:03] Trustee Maude: larissa are saturdays workable for these meetings staff-wise um yes

[3:03:10] Voice 2: uh well so i'll have to connect with uh william as well um because it will be important for him

[3:03:15] Voice 2: to attend um but uh i see the four so the dates that you've identified are the fourth the eighth

[3:03:21] Voice 2: than the 11th no i didn't

[3:03:23] Voice 2: say the eighth but the

[3:03:24] Voice 10: fourth

[3:03:26] Voice 2: of the 11th okay well i'll um um i will

[3:03:30] Voice 2: connect with um we'll connect with william and uh and and see if we can make uh the fourth or

[3:03:36] Voice 2: the eleventh work oh

[3:03:38] Trustee Maude: again do you need a motion to that effect or will you just take that advice and

[3:03:41] Trustee Maude: just just a quick motion to schedule especially to

[3:03:43] Voice 2: schedule it yeah

[3:03:44] Voice 10: okay

[3:03:46] Voice 4: so just a quick question

[3:03:50] Voice 4: question this is a meeting for them to present to the community and to you and you will be sitting

[3:03:57] Voice 4: listening i heard you potentially wanting another special meeting before that

[3:04:01] Voice 5: that's

[3:04:02] Voice 4: what i was

[3:04:03] Voice 5: trying to figure out is do we need one that is just sort of getting up to speed on it or will

[3:04:11] Voice 5: doing a community information meeting get us up to speed i think with

[3:04:16] Voice 4: what was presented at

[3:04:17] Voice 4: galliano i would think that it would be really useful for both of you to and particularly not

[3:04:23] Voice 4: being involved so

[3:04:25] Trustee Maude: so it's the format of the meeting is basically it's it's staff presenting

[3:04:31] Trustee Maude: to the community and we're sitting in the back of the room right

[3:04:33] Voice 8: now galliano has been an open house

[3:04:36] Voice 8: at the beginning yeah people walk around the maps talk with staff talk to the trustees and then i

[3:04:41] had the traditional more traditional town

[3:04:43] Voice 4: hall style where we were we spent maybe an hour and a

[3:04:46] Voice 4: half okay a presentation and then opportunities for questions from the trustees as well and the

[3:04:54] Voice 9: nice thing about that is like i feel anyway on this island that we tend to learn a ton and i

[3:04:59] Voice 9: think there's probably things that like we learn a ton so much expertise on this island and so like

[3:05:05] Voice 9: it's really great to have that kind of conversation so

[3:05:08] Trustee Maude: we just need a promotion for staff to schedule

[3:05:11] Trustee Maude: a meeting and then that sort of leads to open ended and move that we

[3:05:18] Voice 5: schedule a special meeting

[3:05:20] Voice 5: for we don't know what date so just leave it open tomorrow march

[3:05:25] Voice 2: 4th or 11th yeah i would just say

[3:05:26] Voice 2: prior to march uh march 31st prior

[3:05:29] Voice 5: to march 31st uh to hold a community information meeting on the

[3:05:35] Voice 5: groundwater sustainability implementation project okay

[3:05:40] Trustee Maude: okay pat you've got that um

[3:05:44] Voice 15: i've got to

[3:05:45] Voice 15: accept that he referred to it as a special meeting initially but it's really just a community

[3:05:49] Voice 15: information is it not it's

[3:05:52] Trustee Maude: it's both yeah okay

[3:05:55] Voice 15: so to schedule

[3:05:56] Voice 15: a special meeting no a community

[3:06:00] Trustee Maude: information meeting yeah

[3:06:01] Voice 15: okay because i got a little okay to schedule a community information

[3:06:05] Voice 15: meeting prior to march 31st um on the groundwater sustainability project

[3:06:16] Voice 9: implementation project right okay

[3:06:19] Trustee Maude: that has carried um

[3:06:26] Voice 9: just so you know the first three saturdays are totally available for me

[3:06:30] Voice 9: the last saturday or maybe the last two the last saturday of the month is not possible

[3:06:34] Voice 9: okay

[3:06:35] Voice 2: so that's the fourth the 11th and the 18th is that correct yeah the 20

[3:06:39] Voice 2: 25th is not a

[3:06:41] Voice 2: possibility okay and david and aaron are those dates that are possible for you i believe so yes

[3:06:46] Trustee Maude: yes

[3:06:47] Voice 2: okay okay i'll get back to you as soon as i can and we can get that scheduled thank you very

[3:06:53] Trustee Maude: much okay

[3:06:54] Voice 2: so

[3:06:55] Trustee Maude: are there any further motions on this issue no okay so now we move on to the work

[3:07:03] program so who

[3:07:06] Trustee Maude: is playing with that

[3:07:08] Voice 8: one i've got a report all right i'll just briefly summarize it

[3:07:14] Voice 8: so this is um because this is the first business meeting of the term for these reports for local

[3:07:19] Voice 8: trust committees so this is an opportunity for the local trust committee to review the work

[3:07:25] Voice 8: program in some more detail than we normally would so the report gives a summary of last

[3:07:30] Voice 8: terms projects and the status of them the current active projects which we've talked about today

[3:07:37] Voice 8: already the land use bottle review and the groundwater project both are ongoing projects

[3:07:43] Voice 8: both are funded up until march 31st as we discussed if both of them are carrying over

[3:07:49] Voice 8: in the next fiscal year we'll just find some funding and minor projects to complete those

[3:07:55] Voice 8: those projects. And then this is an opportunity also to start

[3:08:01] Voice 8: thinking about potential future projects once we review the new

[3:08:10] Voice 8: policies, Trust Council policies, you can have a minor

[3:08:13] Voice 8: project, active minor project, and you can also start thinking

[3:08:17] Voice 8: about an initiative you want to take later in the term, if you

[3:08:24] have to start turning or preparing a business case if there's an over 5 000 project in the

[3:08:29] Voice 8: sprint later in the spring you get it to uh financial planning committee and planning

[3:08:33] Voice 8: committee by the fall um also just a summary of application stats from last term in the report

[3:08:43] Voice 8: and um some potential projects look at the project's list

[3:08:49] Voice 8: list of the LTC teams. It's included in every agenda package. There's strategic initiatives

[3:08:58] Voice 8: of the trust as a whole. So these are usually coming from the regional planning committee,

[3:09:03] Voice 8: for example, housing initiatives. Or you could start turning your mind to whether you want

[3:09:09] Voice 8: to do something like an OCP review, a project term, or any other potential projects that

[3:09:16] Voice 8: the lpc might want to explore um i'll make any decisions today

[3:09:21] Voice 8: it's just presenting the

[3:09:23] Voice 8: information for you trustees

[3:09:27] Trustee Maude: any questions i'm

[3:09:29] Voice 9: not sure if this is the place um

[3:09:32] Voice 9: just i'm not sure where i know this project so the industrial permit related to the concrete

[3:09:38] Voice 9: plant on bedwell harbor road that would be under applications that would

[3:09:42] Voice 8: be under application

[3:09:42] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:09:47] Voice 10: We'll

[3:09:50] Trustee Maude: just receive that.

[3:09:52] Trustee Maude: Okay.

[3:09:53] Trustee Maude: All righty.

[3:09:57] Trustee Maude: Applications report.

[3:10:03] Voice 20: I

[3:10:05] Voice 8: can summarize some of that.

[3:10:07] Voice 8: So, this is for the benefit of Trustee Campbell.

[3:10:11] Voice 1: This is a

[3:10:11] Voice 8: report that's on every agenda.

[3:10:13] Voice 8: It's generated the status of open application files.

[3:10:18] Voice 8: So, it's an opportunity also to ask about the status of an application.

[3:10:24] Voice 8: Of course, you can also contact us.

[3:10:25] Voice 8: Planner status of the application. Some highlights. So Sydney Island rezoning. That's out today. Subdivision for the new TU was, we believe, close to being finalized. Temporary use permit normality was approved today. And you've got a new temporary use permit coming on your next agenda.

[3:10:53] Voice 8: up a question trustee morrison about the concrete yeah i just

[3:11:02] Voice 9: noticed when i was going through the

[3:11:03] Voice 9: applications list because it's not a current application it's not an expired application

[3:11:06] Voice 9: it's not on the application it's

[3:11:08] Voice 8: expiring soon so we need to reapply and uh file enforcement

[3:11:14] Voice 8: has done the site inspection oh yes he's done several how

[3:11:21] Voice 9: are we doing on that are they

[3:11:23] Voice 9: complying with their

[3:11:24] Voice 22: family they are complying with the conditions step by step there's slow

[3:11:29] Voice 22: progress i don't think it's 100 but um ongoing work with aaron especially has brought i think

[3:11:38] Voice 22: the majority of it into compliance but right now i can't confirm that it's 100 compliant

[3:11:43] Voice 9: okay that's great to know um i'll reach out i don't know if you wanted to add anything

[3:11:47] Voice 9: i

[3:11:48] Voice 4: was just going to say the reason it's not on this report is because that application

[3:11:51] Voice 4: is closed, per se, in the application process.

[3:11:56] Voice 4: Only the open applications.

[3:11:59] Voice 8: Is

[3:12:00] Voice 9: there a way for us to flag things like that?

[3:12:03] Voice 9: Because I know you were saying that there will be a flag that comes up

[3:12:06] Voice 4: for you in March.

[3:12:08] Voice 4: When TUPs are coming towards

[3:12:11] Voice 4: renewal or expiration, there is

[3:12:14] Voice 4: a letter, and

[3:12:17] Voice 4: the STVR

[3:12:18] Voice 8: TUPs

[3:12:19] Voice 8: both look at the web page.

[3:12:20] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:12:22] Voice 8: So under the current applications,

[3:12:23] Voice 8: if you scroll down,

[3:12:24] Voice 8: you'll see a list of issues

[3:12:25] Voice 8: that can be released from that state.

[3:12:27] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:12:28] Voice 9: Because my concern for this one,

[3:12:29] Voice 9: and you can imagine,

[3:12:30] Voice 9: is when this TUP was originally established,

[3:12:33] Voice 9: it was a bylaw enforcement violation TUP

[3:12:35] Voice 9: that was put into place for that property.

[3:12:37] Voice 9: We gave a year,

[3:12:38] Voice 9: then they got two years

[3:12:39] Voice 9: because basically good behavior

[3:12:41] Voice 9: gets you another LA two years.

[3:12:44] Voice 9: So what we're in a situation with now

[3:12:46] Voice 9: is that they're coming up

[3:12:47] Voice 9: on the end of a second TUP

[3:12:48] Voice 9: they have a choice to rezone or to go for an additional TEP,

[3:12:52] Voice 9: either way they choose,

[3:12:53] Voice 9: it's gonna take more than three months to do it.

[3:12:56] Voice 9: And so I really need them to kick it in

[3:12:58] Voice 9: because now they are absolutely,

[3:13:00] Voice 9: we're not gonna see anything until March

[3:13:01] Voice 9: because of the way our meetings are structured.

[3:13:03] Voice 10: And

[3:13:03] Voice 9: so we just need to know that they are getting flagged

[3:13:07] Voice 9: now, so do you need a motion to that effect or?

[3:13:10] Voice 8: No, because it comes up on, it's flagged for us as well.

[3:13:14] Voice 8: So we'll start by informally what we do with everyone else

[3:13:17] Voice 8: just to alert them that their TUP is expiring, but we'll also follow up with that.

[3:13:21] Voice 9: Okay, so will you do that now or will that be done in March? Do you need me to say it's passed for now?

[3:13:26] Voice 4: So what we discussed yesterday when we talked was your desire to see it not be another TUP but to be a rezoning.

[3:13:33] Voice 9: And I'm open to conversations with Aaron about that because the TUP allows us to continue that monitoring component that we might not necessarily have with the rezoning, regardless of which way, it would be really good if they got started.

[3:13:46] Voice 9: so we will

[3:13:47] Voice 10: initiate that okay thank you so

[3:13:53] Trustee Maude: we've lost pat todd momentarily apparently so

[3:13:56] Trustee Maude: if her internet's unstable so so

[3:13:59] Voice 9: you don't need anything from us though for that

[3:14:00] Voice 9: okay we'll make a note in the

[3:14:02] Trustee Maude: follow-up thank

[3:14:03] Voice 9: you thank you okay

[3:14:05] Trustee Maude: so that's everybody's happy

[3:14:09] Trustee Maude: otherwise yes

[3:14:11] Voice 9: okay

[3:14:12] Trustee Maude: so we move on to trusting what was this report i i

[3:14:16] Voice 9: actually made one last

[3:14:18] Voice 9: question okay so uh warren what you said earlier about the discussion of the permit that was over

[3:14:25] Voice 9: on the barn the i don't know what actual street it's on if it's on no i'm gonna is it okay

[3:14:33] Voice 9: plan okay um the barn yeah so um there was something sorry i think i'm getting that

[3:14:50] Voice 9: confused with the one on schooner so the one on schooner you're saying that we can follow up with

[3:14:55] Voice 9: some type of bylaw step that should do you need something from us we've

[3:15:00] Voice 22: got the motion okay i'll

[3:15:02] Voice 22: prepare a report for a new camera. Well, what your legal

[3:15:09] Voice 22: options are, and how to deal with this particular issue.

[3:15:12] Voice 9: Okay. Okay. And, and you know, that we'll just always want to

[3:15:18] Voice 9: know what's going on with the barn one, just so that we know

[3:15:21] Voice 9: if they're as they get to completion, if they're really

[3:15:23] Voice 9: doing fine

[3:15:24] Voice 22: with you to follow. Yeah, we've got the five.

[3:15:26] Voice 22: That is getting legal. So we'll review that legal opinion as

[3:15:31] Voice 22: well okay that's great

[3:15:32] Voice 22: and then it really a lot of it will come down to right now as far as i know

[3:15:36] Voice 22: just what's the final use yeah of

[3:15:39] Voice 22: that building yeah what's

[3:15:41] Voice 9: the final use and what's our

[3:15:42] Voice 9: understanding on what uses are allowed because the legal opinion asked about what uses are allowed

[3:15:47] Voice 9: like the interpretation of yeah

[3:15:49] Voice 8: i mean the bylaws that's farm farm building so it's it's pretty big

[3:16:05] Voice 9: Okay,

[3:16:12] Trustee Maude: so we have the expense report any questions or encourage

[3:16:24] Voice 8: the LTC to spend the money on

[3:16:27] Voice 8: of the projects yeah cool meetings can

[3:16:34] Voice 9: we have cookies i mean no i'm serious like it's like we

[3:16:40] Voice 9: well we it was named actually on various things in like community because like communities built

[3:16:46] Voice 9: around food and like having tea and cookies we originally had tea and cookies at our meeting

[3:16:51] Voice 9: and i brought them all the time i would like them to be

[3:16:54] Voice 8: used to supply them here yeah

[3:16:57] Voice 9: yeah so we

[3:16:58] Voice 8: have use

[3:16:58] Voice 9: of the kitchen if we want but i really really would like us to think about just adding

[3:17:03] Voice 9: it as a like i

[3:17:04] Voice 17: will happily go

[3:17:05] Voice 9: make the coffee and tea when we get here somebody just buys it

[3:17:08] Voice 9: and expenses it because i'm not filing expenses they bug me

[3:17:14] Voice 9: so i used to buy it and expense it but just the paperwork of filling out the expense is like

[3:17:18] Voice 9: a barrier for me so if you buy the cookies on the end discuss

[3:17:22] Voice 8: that with brad's performance

[3:17:27] Trustee Maude: well if you guys want to figure it out amongst yourselves no we did that

[3:17:32] Voice 9: last time and then i

[3:17:33] Voice 9: didn't i ended up

[3:17:34] Voice 9: buying all the cookies well

[3:17:35] Trustee Maude: okay if if staff somehow can incorporate it into their

[3:17:54] Trustee Maude: I was going to say I can talk to the people at the L

[3:17:59] Voice 5: .A. about what it would take to...

[3:18:00] Voice 5: If

[3:18:00] Voice 9: you want to organize, I would be super happy about that. It's just the expensing part of it, it like breaks my brain to try and file a census in the trust.

[3:18:07] Voice 9: thank

[3:18:09] Voice 17: you that's why i don't that's why i don't i don't have expenses that's why we have money

[3:18:13] okay so

[3:18:17] Trustee Maude: past recorded that we are talking about cookies

[3:18:22] Voice 9: um all right okay

[3:18:24] Trustee Maude: um all right we're that's done everybody's we're spending money

[3:18:30] Trustee Maude: okay um adopted

[3:18:31] Trustee Maude: policy and standing resolutions patch just for your information

[3:18:34] Trustee Maude: yeah the

[3:18:35] Voice 8: ltc at some point uh should probably have a review of those

[3:18:39] Voice 8: some of them are related to coven issues specifically the others are very open

[3:18:43] Voice 8: so is

[3:18:45] Trustee Maude: that can

[3:18:49] Voice 9: we put that on for the march agenda and in particular it would be great

[3:18:53] Voice 9: robert if you flag which ones you think are maybe not i know we do have a standing resolution so i'm

[3:18:59] Voice 9: enforcing them on um home base like food truck kind of related things there was one no i think

[3:19:06] Voice 22: we've closed that file because no

[3:19:08] Voice 9: no no no but like there was a standing resolution yes the

[3:19:10] Voice 22: standard resolution i don't think it's an issue but you probably shouldn't send it because i don't

[3:19:14] Voice 22: think it's required okay

[3:19:15] Voice 9: so we should just look at it so we can have a look at those okay okay

[3:19:19] Trustee Maude: Okay, great. That's cool.

[3:19:22] Trustee Maude: Local Trust Committee webpage.

[3:19:24] Trustee Maude: Do we have one?

[3:19:26] Trustee Maude: We have.

[3:19:27] Voice 9: We've updated them.

[3:19:28] Trustee Maude: Okay, cool.

[3:19:30] Trustee Maude: Islands Trust Conservancy Report, which is attached for our information.

[3:19:35] Trustee Maude: Anybody have anything to bring up on that?

[3:19:39] Trustee Maude: All right.

[3:19:40] Trustee Maude: New business.

[3:19:41] Trustee Maude: We have a letter from the SAC Leadership Council staff regarding draft 2021 Islands Trust Policy Statements amendments.

[3:19:48] Trustee Maude: amendments not sure why we have it specifically so it's purely for information and does anybody

[3:19:58] Trustee Maude: have anything that we'd like to not

[3:20:03] Voice 9: right now not

[3:20:03] Trustee Maude: right now I think

[3:20:04] Voice 9: we're in long longer-term

[3:20:05] Voice 9: relations with them and back to that is we need to make the next steps on the policy it's unclear

[3:20:10] Voice 9: what's happening okay

[3:20:11] Trustee Maude: fair enough so somehow by some miracle we're back on schedule well no there's

[3:20:18] Voice 9: one and i've sent it to brad and pat already but there's one follow-up conversation that i do think

[3:20:23] Voice 9: we just need to make and i think it should be straight

[3:20:26] Trustee Maude: so what's um so we'll put it on a new

[3:20:30] Trustee Maude: business yeah so we're here right now we're

[3:20:34] Voice 9: here all right so um i would like to put a motion on

[3:20:38] Voice 9: the table um and i can just read it in but it's uh it's probably the one you want as opposed to

[3:20:46] Voice 9: one i made so i moved at the north pender island local trust committee direct staff to explore

[3:20:52] Voice 9: possible next steps that the north fender trust committee may take to address clear-cutting a

[3:20:57] Voice 9: forest area on north fender island in terms of bylaws and or coordination with other agencies

[3:21:02] Voice 9: and the coordination language is the advocacy language but we don't actually use the word

[3:21:06] Voice 9: and can

[3:21:09] Trustee Maude: you send that to time okay so pass got it all right so you're clear with that language

[3:21:17] Trustee Maude: any discussion okay we'll call the question on favor and that carries so pat you got it and

[3:21:25] Trustee Maude: you're happy let's

[3:21:31] Voice 10: hope so okay

[3:21:35] Trustee Maude: we're going to just make it fast happy yeah

[3:21:37] Voice 15: i've got the

[3:21:37] Voice 15: other thing so you did change the word yeah

[3:21:43] Voice 9: so the one word that got changed um uh when

[3:21:46] Voice 9: brad looked at it was in terms of suggest no sorry it's breaking up too much um i reset the

[3:21:53] Voice 9: new one it was explore instead of suggest but

[3:22:04] Trustee Maude: it has been emailed to you yeah

[3:22:05] Voice 15: sorry the audio is

[3:22:07] Voice 15: breaking up okay

[3:22:08] Trustee Maude: it has been emailed to you we're going to accept that that's gone forward

[3:22:18] Trustee Maude: okay so now we're moving up to upcoming meetings so we have a special meeting february 25th at 1

[3:22:29] Trustee Maude: p.m at the pender island community hall and then our next regular scheduled meeting is march 24th

[3:22:36] Trustee Maude: here so and now we will conclude with the town hall

[3:22:40] Voice 11: so

[3:22:41] Trustee Maude: we have a hand in the air

[3:22:45] Trustee Maude: we're just going to pack up okay

[3:22:47] Trustee Maude: so go ahead i have

[3:22:50] Voice 9: one question when will we see the legal report you won't uh i'm sorry why

[3:22:58] Voice 9: Why wouldn't we see it?

[3:23:00] Voice 22: Robert, do you want to sort of cover that?

[3:23:02] Voice 22: They're confidential.

[3:23:03] Voice 22: They're confidential advice to the local trust committee.

[3:23:05] Voice 9: The trust committee can make it public.

[3:23:08] Voice 9: They did with respect.

[3:23:10] Voice 8: Executive committee can make it public.

[3:23:14] Voice 8: But normally, if it's really public, the direction to the lawyer is to draft a legal opinion for public release.

[3:23:25] Voice 8: Well, I

[3:23:26] Voice 9: would have thought that that was the case, but it didn't happen in this particular instance. I didn't think it would be confidential.

[3:23:35] Voice 9: So perhaps you could contact legal counsel and have them draft something that would be available for public release.

[3:23:44] Voice 10: Can

[3:23:44] Voice 5: we be able to share it? Like

[3:23:46] Voice 8: not share the actual

[3:23:47] Voice 5: document, but share the information?

[3:23:49] Trustee Maude: you can summarize summarize so

[3:23:52] Trustee Maude: basically speaking we'll receive legal opinion in camera

[3:23:56] Trustee Maude: and if in the local trust committee then to make a motion to the executive requesting

[3:24:00] Trustee Maude: if it's appropriate for

[3:24:02] Voice 9: instance with the helicopter opinion that was made public

[3:24:05] Voice 9: yeah i think a version of it was made public that was yeah and the

[3:24:10] Voice 12: point is we want to understand

[3:24:12] Voice 12: how island's trust planners are operating the bylaws interpreted so we want to have an understanding

[3:24:20] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:24:21] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:24:23] Voice 9: Sorry, we passed the meeting schedule, and I had a different date somehow on the meetings for March. I had March 17 instead of March 24th. Is it March 24th?

[3:24:35] Voice 9: The last one.

[3:24:37] Voice 10: Yeah,

[3:24:38] Voice 9: March 24th is what?

[3:24:40] Voice 10: March 24th. So we'll have to talk about that, but I don't know what to

[3:24:43] Voice 9: do about that. I'll apply with this. It's good stuff.

[3:24:48] Voice 9: schedule okay so i don't know how that went up but i was always going to be on an atlantic

[3:25:15] that's great either one works for me

[3:25:18] Okay, that would be great.

[3:25:19] Yeah, and then we'll just-

[3:25:19] Sorry, one moment.