Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, February 7, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 18: okay well i think we've got our technology in order here we're gonna get this down i swear

[0:00:07] Voice 18: and the ferry was on time today so we're uh we're getting closer to

[0:00:12] Voice 18: starting

[0:00:12] Voice 4: we're up nearly at our normal start time here all

[0:00:16] Voice 18: right so i'm going to start by calling

[0:00:18] Voice 18: the meeting uh this meeting of the galleon island local trust committee to order and i'd like to

[0:00:25] Voice 18: knowledge

[0:00:26] Voice 4: that we're meeting here on the territory of coach salish first nations

[0:00:32] Voice 4: and our first item of business is the approval of the agenda um yeah i've got three additions

[0:00:41] Voice 4: okay one of them a notice of motion for amendment is banning resolution

[0:01:08] Voice 4: Okay, that's

[0:01:09] Voice 4: great. Okay, that's one, two, and three, use inciting permit option.

[0:01:31] Voice 5: okay so

[0:01:33] Voice 4: i that the notice of motion should probably go under 17.2 wise island where do

[0:01:53] Voice 4: you think that should go they can all go in the same you want to go in and yeah under new business

[0:01:58] Voice 4: okay i'm fine with that uh

[0:02:01] Voice 18: and uh you happy with those okay so i'll take it by general consent

[0:02:08] Voice 18: that the agenda is approved as amended um

[0:02:12] Voice 4: yeah i'm on the timing of the week

[0:02:16] Voice 4: okay so that brings us to uh trustee reports trustees go

[0:02:27] Voice 13: first let me know if i'm being

[0:02:29] Voice 13: loud enough i can be pretty quiet and then feedback

[0:02:32] Voice 7: um what i've been doing um for january

[0:02:39] Voice 7: On January 9th, the Sheldon-Wilk Islands Forum met.

[0:02:42] Voice 7: Attendants from the

[0:02:43] Voice 13: meeting were Adam Olsen,

[0:02:44] Voice 7: Elizabeth May, Gary Holman, Paul Brent,

[0:02:48] Voice 7: LTC trustees from Main Island, Gabriela,

[0:02:51] Voice 7: North and South Pender, South Spring Island,

[0:02:54] Voice 7: Chair Peterson was there, and Trustee Maberly.

[0:02:57] Voice 7: Topics that were discussed were anchorages

[0:03:00] Voice 7: and derelict boats.

[0:03:02] Voice 7: Bill C-33, which has been passed in the House of Commons,

[0:03:06] Voice 7: will give the powers to the minister of transport to direct on anchorages uh adam and elizabeth

[0:03:13] Voice 7: discussed um a joint press conference they believe that they need to give this matter

[0:03:19] Voice 7: for more media attention uh also at the meeting gary roman asked adam if there is a way forward

[0:03:27] Voice 7: for tiny homes uh adam is requesting a meeting with the new housing minister

[0:03:32] Voice 7: and the Minister of Municipal Affairs to discuss that.

[0:03:37] Voice 7: Steve, Averly and I had a meeting with Adam towards the end of January

[0:03:42] Voice 7: to discuss the F1 lots on Galliano.

[0:03:45] Voice 7: It was a quick, short, 30-minute meeting.

[0:03:49] Voice 7: I had been reviewing the OCP going back to 1972,

[0:03:53] Voice 7: so it's a long and complex history.

[0:03:56] Voice 7: Adam requested this meeting, and it was prompted by F1 lot owners

[0:04:02] Voice 7: here on galliano they've been calling his

[0:04:04] Voice 8: office and writing emails there will be future meetings

[0:04:09] Voice 8: and i'll report back

[0:04:11] Voice 7: any updates i've also been working through some more orientation down with

[0:04:16] Voice 7: us um other trustees and other items and i look forward to seeing them at the council meeting

[0:04:22] Voice 7: in march and i just want to give a special shout out to our staff um they've been working very

[0:04:28] Voice 7: hard putting this uh agenda package together for this meeting so thank you thank

[0:04:35] Voice 4: you um yeah so

[0:04:37] Voice 4: for me i wanted to actually um just want to thank um charlton we had um charlie had one of our

[0:04:46] Voice 4: longtime elders passed away recently and um i just want to thank char and her group for putting on a

[0:04:52] Voice 4: fabulous event at the rotten women club um with a huge crowd i don't know how many people were

[0:04:57] Voice 4: there and making it close to 400 for the day so i thought that was a great event for the community

[0:05:05] Voice 4: so i thank you for that um secondly i want to introduce uh ken thomas uh counselor for the

[0:05:12] Voice 4: pelican nation and um you know i thought it was would be a good time to get um the pelican to

[0:05:20] Voice 4: the table and and i think i'll turn the rest of my time over again and see so thanks for coming

[0:05:28] Voice 4: Thank

[0:05:29] Voice 16: you, Ben. I just want to thank everybody for your time and show up to, you know, learn what's going on and what

[0:05:41] Voice 4: needs to be addressed.

[0:05:45] Voice 4: Yeah, and I just, I was asked to come here by my leadership to say hi, whatever.

[0:05:54] Voice 4: You know, we have, this is our unceded territory here, Galeano, and a bunch of other islands,

[0:06:02] Voice 4: Salt Spring, and things like that.

[0:06:05] Voice 4: You know, we have another site on the north end, Denicio, and there's a National Wildlife

[0:06:11] Voice 4: Preserve on the north end.

[0:06:13] Voice 4: We occupied a lot down Whaler Bay, all the way around Tommy Harbor.

[0:06:19] Voice 4: well i just wanted to introduce myself and and show up and say hello um you know another thing

[0:06:29] Voice 4: we're talking about with um carbon sensitive sites um you know we deal with a lot of erosion

[0:06:36] Voice 4: things like that we work with parks and archaeologists and trying to figure out what

[0:06:43] Voice 4: to do about these eroding areas and we've got a few ideas coming up and we uh i hope pretty soon

[0:06:53] Voice 4: before the next storms that came and died and whatnot so you know and then be awesome to have

[0:06:59] Voice 4: the the teamwork from the trust too so you know so i think it's opening doors to help each other

[0:07:09] Voice 4: understand each other and move forward that's about it for now um anything comes up like any

[0:07:19] Voice 4: art sensitive issues yeah i recommend calling danny's got all her contact

[0:07:26] Voice 16: numbers um chief

[0:07:28] Voice 16: brown was supposed to be here but she had another important meeting to go to so she asked me to

[0:07:35] Voice 16: come in and say hello basically

[0:07:37] Voice 4: so i'm just here for a little while i got some other things i have

[0:07:42] Voice 4: to be over here while i'm here so i just want to thank you for your time

[0:07:49] Voice 4: the communication opens up um for all of us so a better understanding on where we come from

[0:08:02] Voice 4: some of the elders are talking so either it is we don't know what's going on

[0:08:07] Voice 4: in our home this is our home you know we just want to open up that communication

[0:08:12] Voice 4: education and call any time that instead of our contact let's go and um yeah I'm looking forward

[0:08:30] Voice 4: to it too I think it's sort of a new uh in the beginning for you know this council and

[0:08:35] Voice 4: these trustees and council to really start putting some stuff together and talking so

[0:08:41] Voice 4: thank you very much yeah thank you very much for coming and welcoming us here we appreciate it

[0:08:50] right now but uh more informal

[0:08:54] Voice 4: chat later on

[0:08:56] Voice 4: okay and

[0:09:03] Voice 18: that brings us to the chair's report um i'm uh heading of course to salt spring on

[0:09:11] Voice 18: thursday for their local trust committee on our we're working on our official community plan over

[0:09:17] Voice 18: on the speedy um have a executive committee meeting i think on the third date and then

[0:09:24] Voice 18: uh trust council is in march is coming up uh in nanaimo and that will of course be

[0:09:31] Voice 18: really quite focused on the budget but i think the other big topic there is going to be the

[0:09:36] Voice 18: bylaw enforcement review that's been requested by trustees well i think those two items will

[0:09:41] Voice 18: probably dominate the trust council meeting um i just wanted to let everyone know my plan uh next

[0:09:51] Voice 18: month is to come and spend uh the night after the tuesday meeting here on galliano and so i'll be

[0:09:59] Voice 18: here all day wednesday until i think it's at 8 15 ferry to head to salt spring so if anybody wants

[0:10:05] Voice 18: wants to have a chat or or uh you know have meet or talk about anything um please let me know and

[0:10:15] Voice 18: i'm i'm i'm planning to be here on that day um on tuesday evening as well to be available to

[0:10:22] Voice 18: community members to to meet yet to chat um

[0:10:26] Voice 5: you

[0:10:28] Voice 18: can send me an email i i was supposed to get some

[0:10:32] Voice 18: new uh cards to hand out but they haven't shown up yet uh but i'm happy to give you my my number

[0:10:38] Voice 18: and my email address here um yeah for sure no problem so uh with that uh normally we got a

[0:10:48] Voice 18: spot for the electoral director's report but i don't see mr brent here today i'm glad we added

[0:10:55] Voice 18: donald though because of course i flew by that opportunity what he was here and that brings us

[0:11:01] Voice 18: us in section six, which is town hall and questions. And I

[0:11:06] Voice 18: see we've got about 20 minutes set aside for that. So I'll just

[0:11:11] Voice 18: look and I see three, four or five. Okay, let's just start

[0:11:16] Voice 18: over here with Sandy Paula, who is an am I recognized. And then

[0:11:22] Voice 18: we'll start with Sandy and then we'll work this way. So just

[0:11:24] Voice 18: put your hand up again. And I'll call on you as we go across

[0:11:27] Voice 18: with

[0:11:27] Voice 8: sandy puddle 56 30 call your password uh i just wanted to know if you'd like to get the uh

[0:11:35] Voice 8: unity on the uh court case that was reported last week i think for the 54th it's four days

[0:11:42] of hearing some uh

[0:11:44] Voice 8: brought forward by some portland owners on galliano and i was just

[0:11:48] Voice 8: wondering what the status of that was was the

[0:11:51] Voice 4: judge just deciding or will the court be convened

[0:11:55] Voice 4: because nobody in the community seems to be aware that this is bad.

[0:11:59] Voice 4: And I thought you might be able to look at it for the funds that just came through.

[0:12:05] Voice 18: Okay, yeah, until you mentioned that earlier, I

[0:12:07] Voice 4: wasn't aware of that.

[0:12:09] Voice 4: So is there anyone at the table who speaks to that?

[0:12:12] Voice 4: But the only thing I can say is I know that the hearing is finished

[0:12:17] Voice 4: and they're waiting for a decision from the judge.

[0:12:23] Voice 4: I think that's where it's at right now.

[0:12:26] Voice 18: Okay.

[0:12:27] Voice 18: And anybody have any idea where we can get any more information on that?

[0:12:32] Voice 18: Is there a

[0:12:34] Voice 4: web page or anything?

[0:12:39] I wouldn't imagine until it's finished, but

[0:12:43] Voice 4: the decision is down.

[0:12:47] Voice 4: Okay. Sorry to be of no help.

[0:12:53] Voice 4: Okay. And then

[0:12:54] Voice 4: next I saw this gentleman here.

[0:12:57] Voice 4: Stephen, do I have a 289 wait letter?

[0:13:01] Mr. Chair, I was taken aback at the clarity of the local trust

[0:13:07] Voice 16: in approving trustee Mayberry's

[0:13:09] Voice 16: December motion to bring back application GLRZ2022-1 on change. I am not necessarily

[0:13:19] Voice 16: opposed to your decision, but the process. To ensure transparency, I expect that the mover

[0:13:28] Voice 16: of any motion to describe the context

[0:13:32] Voice 4: and their rationale for the motion, and that the

[0:13:37] seconder also

[0:13:38] Voice 4: publicly voice their rationale. I also expect for the community to understand

[0:13:47] some of the issues

[0:13:48] Voice 16: that the chair would seek greater clarity and discussion for any motion,

[0:13:54] Voice 16: motion, especially one that overturns a decision by a previous LTC or a motion that is not

[0:14:01] Voice 16: tabled in the terms of the meeting to supporting documentation.

[0:14:08] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:14:09] Voice 4: Thank

[0:14:09] Voice 18: you for that.

[0:14:10] Voice 18: And I'll get you all your dissent.

[0:14:13] Voice 18: Yeah.

[0:14:14] Voice 18: Yeah.

[0:14:14] Voice 4: Just quickly.

[0:14:14] Voice 4: I think it may be addressed today.

[0:14:16] Voice 4: I'm

[0:14:16] Voice 16: Black 25, Wise Island, Jan Helsing.

[0:14:19] Voice 16: Just asking again for project 15.1.2 GA-22

[0:14:25] Voice 4: -106, which is new bylaw, bylaws request for Wise Island, just to be brought to the project list.

[0:14:37] Voice 4: Sorry, the priority list. And I just would like to ask the planners, in my letter that I wrote, I referenced bylaw 114, which is for Passage Island, which is in Howe Sound.

[0:14:48] Voice 4: I know there's some budgetary constraints, but we could literally carbon copy that by

[0:14:54] Voice 4: law to Wise Island because they are almost the exact same island in size.

[0:14:59] Voice 4: Just wanted to put that out there as well so that bylaw could be utilized as well.

[0:15:04] Voice 4: So thank you.

[0:15:05] Voice 4: Okay, thank you.

[0:15:06] Voice 4: 114.

[0:15:07] Voice 4: Again, your bylaw 114.

[0:15:10] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:15:10] Voice 4: And then moving this way.

[0:15:13] Voice 4: Yes, sir.

[0:15:14] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:15:14] Voice 4: i'm keo okuda 12920 for your pass road um my first meeting since uh last season i'd like to

[0:15:23] Voice 4: welcome new trustees and thank you ben for teaching a lot on the docs it's helpful and

[0:15:32] Voice 4: i'm here because i've seen the world through many years and i've seen development through many phases

[0:15:41] Voice 4: and unplanned development is a tragedy and a travesty um as new trustees your position

[0:15:51] Voice 4: is not a political office it's actually a job and i believe your job is to guide development

[0:16:00] Voice 4: interests with reference to the community plan and into the community plan galliano

[0:16:07] Voice 4: galliano includes large areas of forest other islands do not the galliano plan limits

[0:16:15] Voice 4: development to preserve and protect the amenities of the tourist this is increasingly important

[0:16:21] Voice 4: during climate change galliano's plan calls for environmental sensitivity and a cooperative

[0:16:27] Voice 4: road network this would mitigate some of the risk of fire and other human impacts in the forest

[0:16:34] Voice 4: as well as provide access for owners and others beyond think access corridor fire is a health risk

[0:16:45] Voice 4: health risk and a property destroyer any human development in the forest increases the risk

[0:16:53] Voice 4: power lines cause fires the development of the forest has been a contentious issue for 30 years

[0:17:01] Voice 4: years. And now we have new trustees. Welcome to your new

[0:17:08] Voice 4: job. All

[0:17:11] Voice 16: jobs have a job description. One of your job

[0:17:15] Voice 16: descriptions is to comply with the code of conduct. In your

[0:17:21] Voice 4: first meetings, there's some, I was happy to note that Lisa

[0:17:26] Voice 4: refused herself when issues of higgers came up. Ben in his

[0:17:31] Voice 4: first meeting did three actions I'd like to comment on. The

[0:17:36] first action was to make a notice motion about non-enforcement of illegal accommodation

[0:17:46] Voice 4: second was to invite an identical reapplication of a previous uh application that was turned down by

[0:17:56] Voice 4: a previous lpc and the third was to invite a letter from a member in the audience that was

[0:18:01] Voice 4: seeking abeyance of an enforcement.

[0:18:06] Voice 4: These were all non-agenda items with no previous history,

[0:18:10] Voice 4: so they only came from Ben.

[0:18:13] Voice 4: Considering enforcement actions by the trust against this trustee,

[0:18:17] Voice 4: these introductions breach the code of conduct.

[0:18:22] Voice 4: Therefore, Trustee Maverly must not be permitted

[0:18:25] Voice 4: to introduce or vote on any issues that impact

[0:18:29] Voice 4: or may impact the forest zone.

[0:18:32] So he must recuse himself or be recused.

[0:18:37] I'd like to make another comment

[0:18:38] Voice 4: about the main non-enforcement issue

[0:18:42] Voice 4: as it might've been introduced

[0:18:44] Voice 4: even encouraged by the local director

[0:18:47] Voice 4: to reduce the tax on affordable housing.

[0:18:51] Voice 4: And since there are illegal accommodations

[0:18:54] Voice 4: in the Forest Zone that will likely not improve

[0:18:59] Voice 4: prove the stock of affordable houses,

[0:19:03] Voice 4: that all enforcements in the forest zone

[0:19:08] Voice 4: not be included in any non-enforcement.

[0:19:13] Voice 4: Therefore, all non-enforcement of illegal habitation,

[0:19:18] Voice 4: the forest zone would not

[0:19:20] Voice 18: be excused.

[0:19:22] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:19:23] Voice 18: Thank you for that.

[0:19:25] Voice 18: This way, gentleman in the middle row, yeah.

[0:19:32] Voice 17: my comments will take a little bit less than five minutes

[0:19:35] Voice 17: my name is john lonsley i live on spot my road at the north end um i am speaking to you today

[0:19:46] Voice 17: because once again uh the crystal mountain application to rezone the forestry lot is on

[0:19:52] Voice 17: the agenda for today's meeting i want to be clear about what is on the table here and what this

[0:20:00] Voice 17: proposal is this proposal is for a community facility where there has never been any

[0:20:11] Voice 17: formal request from the community at large and where there is considerable

[0:20:17] Voice 17: opposition within the community for the proposal which has been demonstrated on multiple occasions

[0:20:26] Voice 17: in many different ways. For example, it was demonstrated by a petition signed by I believe

[0:20:34] Voice 17: 174 community members obtained over a two-week period opposing the proposal and I would also

[0:20:42] Voice 17: also say that the opposition was demonstrated quite clearly at the community information

[0:20:47] Voice 17: meeting that occurred in September of last year. The organization that is putting forward

[0:20:59] Voice 17: this proposal provides service largely to clients who have no other connection to Galliano

[0:21:09] Voice 17: Island except that they are clients of Crystal Mountain. The proposal is at odds with the

[0:21:20] Voice 17: Galliano Official Community Plan and that's why there are some fairly significant OCP

[0:21:30] Voice 17: amendments attached to it and it seeks to create a visitor accommodation

[0:21:40] Voice 17: facility on forestry zone land which I believe would be unprecedented for

[0:21:47] Voice 17: Galeano. So I would like to request of our local trustees today that they not go

[0:22:04] Voice 17: along with the planners recommendation to proceed to a public hearing on this

[0:22:12] Voice 17: proposal at this time but rather that they undertake to meet with those in the communities

[0:22:22] Voice 17: who remained very concerned and in opposition to what is being advanced here in the approval

[0:22:31] Voice 17: process. I would very respectfully submit to the two of you in that regard that this is your

[0:22:44] Voice 17: mandate to represent your constituents and it may be perhaps somewhat different than the agenda

[0:22:54] Voice 17: of the items trust staff in this matter. Thank you very much for your consideration and for

[0:23:01] Voice 17: for this.

[0:23:03] Voice 17: We

[0:23:04] Voice 13: lost the minute taker.

[0:23:05] Voice 6: If we could just add her back in

[0:23:06] Voice 13: to the meeting.

[0:23:13] Voice 4: Nice.

[0:23:21] Voice 4: I'm Jeff Taylor.

[0:23:29] Voice 4: My concerns are

[0:23:31] Voice 4: many years.

[0:23:50] Voice 4: So I'm concerned about three things. I think one of them is

[0:23:55] Voice 4: is the lack of enforcement of our bylaws.

[0:23:58] Voice 4: And for some reason, I've never understood.

[0:24:05] Voice 4: We have a forest lot zone, which is, what, 60% of the island,

[0:24:11] Ben?

[0:24:12] 42.

[0:24:14] 42%, yeah, a large chunk of the site.

[0:24:17] Voice 4: And there was a path made, part of the bylaws exists,

[0:24:23] Voice 4: and it says no buildings, no buildings,

[0:24:25] Voice 4: except a building with no sides on the wall, right?

[0:24:30] Voice 4: But there has been many, many problems, and many have some of those problems.

[0:24:38] And this lack of enforcement is a real problem, because I do what Hugh just said about forests.

[0:24:44] We need our forests. Forests may be the savior of this whole global

[0:24:48] Voice 4: warming, at least certainly health care.

[0:24:51] Voice 4: So we have these pilots, they're in place, and they've never been enforced.

[0:24:55] Voice 4: So the enforcement problem on this island has been proved.

[0:25:01] and so we need to start enforcing it

[0:25:04] Voice 4: so now i want to address ben's motion about affordable

[0:25:08] Voice 4: housing and not uh not telling us that not to enforce the violence and i have a really problem

[0:25:18] Voice 4: with that one because i'm okay with that i understand we need affordable housing on this

[0:25:22] Voice 4: island but it should only be on residential properties that do have dwelling rights there

[0:25:28] Voice 4: is no running rights on that course at all and in order to get those running rights they have to

[0:25:35] resolve it's

[0:25:36] Voice 4: a clear there's a way to do this you should not be building on the course lots

[0:25:40] Voice 4: and that you lose on yourself in the residential use right so some people have done that i've

[0:25:47] Voice 4: always done that um the women's has done that but in the meantime there's always a legal building so

[0:25:52] Voice 4: So with your bylaw, with your proposal sets up a situation

[0:25:58] Voice 4: where anybody in the forest law zone could have buildings

[0:26:01] and rent them

[0:26:02] Voice 4: out and do whatever they want.

[0:26:03] Voice 4: It could be the one forest, right?

[0:26:06] Voice 4: In your particular, I shouldn't point at you,

[0:26:08] Voice 4: in your particular case, you do have buildings down there

[0:26:12] Voice 4: which are helpful people for the four bylaws.

[0:26:15] Voice 4: Like Bear and I think Gordito and other people.

[0:26:19] Voice 4: I don't know how you get around this,

[0:26:20] Voice 4: but i'm totally against um the idea of people on the porch which do not have running lights

[0:26:28] Voice 4: to be able to have trailers and stuff like that i think it's a very bad move to decide to do that

[0:26:33] Voice 4: and you know i've heard on maine it isn't just maine which doesn't have that situation at all

[0:26:38] there's really some problems with having trailers all over the place without septic fields without

[0:26:44] of water

[0:26:44] Voice 4: without all those things in place so i would i would like you to just limit the uh

[0:26:54] Voice 4: non-important non-important thing to it's only on that presidential

[0:27:05] Voice 4: it's there maybe you could be grandfathered in some way

[0:27:08] Voice 4: but but to to to expand it would be crazy okay so i guess that's my main point

[0:27:34] The Chair is going to deal with that when it comes to

[0:27:42] Voice 4: discussion or, well not discussion,

[0:27:45] Voice 4: but certainly for voting on a motion when Ben, for instance, has illegal buildings on

[0:27:52] Voice 4: those affluent lots.

[0:27:55] That

[0:27:55] Voice 4: actually does business on behalf of us.

[0:27:58] Voice 4: because so does richard when it's business on behalf of us

[0:28:05] i don't understand this how can you possibly have a vote and i know it's a chair what's your position

[0:28:12] can you

[0:28:12] Voice 4: ask ben to choose yourself or how does this all work

[0:28:17] Voice 18: okay so i'll just pause you there

[0:28:19] Voice 18: because uh this is kind of new territory for me but i have had some uh some talks with senior

[0:28:27] Voice 18: your staff about this and i believe uh trust favorably has as well and um so

[0:28:33] Voice 15: the conflict

[0:28:34] Voice 15: of interest is not actually the purview of this local trust committee it's entirely up to the

[0:28:39] Voice 15: individual to

[0:28:39] Voice 18: recuse themselves um so the responsibility in this case for action on a

[0:28:47] Voice 18: on a real or perceived conflict of interest rests on the person with the potential conflict

[0:28:54] Voice 4: I understand.

[0:28:56] Voice 18: And as I said, it's new to me, but that's what I'm

[0:28:59] Voice 15: advised is that it's entirely

[0:29:01] Voice 15: up to the person involved to take those determinations.

[0:29:07] Voice 15: Sorry,

[0:29:09] Voice 18: just a moment. And so there are there are some risks legislatively with a person

[0:29:16] Voice 18: who may be in conflict participating in discussion and and voting and some of those risks are that

[0:29:24] Voice 18: the um the decisions could be reversed so but when it

[0:29:29] Voice 15: comes down to the actual

[0:29:30] Voice 18: process of this

[0:29:32] Voice 18: uh committee it's up to the individual to recuse themselves and to make that call themselves so

[0:29:38] Voice 18: it's not my position as chair to make that call so anyway that that's i appreciate that because

[0:29:44] Voice 18: it's something that i i needed to find out what are we supposed

[0:29:49] Voice 15: to do as a local trust committee

[0:29:50] Voice 15: it's not up to us it's up to the individual

[0:29:52] Voice 18: um

[0:29:56] Voice 5: if

[0:29:58] Voice 4: you want to but i mean i don't know that

[0:30:00] Voice 4: i'm going to think of some clarity right here okay so the point of the motion was to have this

[0:30:06] Voice 4: discussion right 95 of all the feedback i guess is about bylaw enforcement and not in a good way

[0:30:14] Voice 4: right proacted by law enforcement when it was brought in um we get feedback i get feedback

[0:30:21] Voice 4: about that all the time when i'm not a trustee i mean i've been here for 50 years and um so

[0:30:27] Voice 4: how do you start the conversation right um how do you start a conversation about housing right um

[0:30:36] Voice 4: i've listened for 30 years about trustees talking about affordable housing on this island you know

[0:30:44] Voice 4: how many units of affordable housing have been produced in the last 30 years zero if not for

[0:30:51] Voice 4: lisa and her crew that's the first affordable housing project we've even managed to get approved

[0:30:58] Voice 4: So the idea of the motion was to allow for a relaxation of enforcement against unlawful

[0:31:10] Voice 4: violence.

[0:31:10] Voice 4: I'm well aware of my situation.

[0:31:15] Voice 4: I informed both staff and him that I will not be voting on this motion.

[0:31:21] Voice 4: Not because I'm in conflict, because this is a common cause motion, it applies to everybody

[0:31:25] Voice 4: equally.

[0:31:25] Voice 4: It does not, it's not proactive. It doesn't stop enforcement, right? It's not a banishment

[0:31:33] Voice 4: on enforcement if you read the body. Yeah.

[0:31:36] Voice 4: So trust me, Lee, that I actually kind of think we're straying

[0:31:39] Voice 18: a little bit.

[0:31:39] Voice 18: Yeah, we're straying into it. Yeah. So I'll stick, I'll stay away from the motion.

[0:31:43] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:31:44] Voice 4: So what

[0:31:45] Voice 18: I've said

[0:31:46] Voice 4: is I think I am biased in this case, but I think I'm proud of that.

[0:31:52] Voice 4: and so i will not be voting on the motion out of bias right i will recuse myself but

[0:31:59] Voice 4: the conversation still needs to be had because we've had a lot of talk in this community for 30

[0:32:06] Voice 4: years and there's a lot of people who could but don't right and i'm not prepared to watch somebody

[0:32:14] Voice 4: sleeping under a lot and not do something about it if that's biased i'm biased so i will not go

[0:32:23] Voice 4: around the motion i'll refuse myself and i'll either do tim and lisa to reject the motion or

[0:32:29] Voice 4: talk about whatever right just so everybody's aware of my position okay thank you and yes in

[0:32:38] Voice 4: in the back here

[0:32:38] Voice 8: i just wanted to make the observation that nowhere in the code of conduct

[0:32:48] Voice 8: states that it's part of their job to follow the path of the previous trustee and the fact that

[0:32:56] Voice 8: we have new trustees implies it says to me that the majority of the island is looking for

[0:33:03] Voice 8: community perspective, and creativity, and attention.

[0:33:09] Voice 18: And continuing this way, is there someone in the back?

[0:33:12] Voice 18: Let's see you over here.

[0:33:15] Voice 4: I'm Steve Foster.

[0:33:20] Voice 4: As somebody that always speaks on behalf,

[0:33:23] Voice 4: I think in the last year I've lost two employees

[0:33:26] Voice 4: because they could not find a place to live on the island.

[0:33:29] Voice 4: There's no rentals available.

[0:33:30] Voice 4: I mean, probably going to lose another one for the same reason,

[0:33:35] Voice 4: because where they're living now is too small and they can't find anything else so i'm speaking

[0:33:43] Voice 4: i'm speaking in favor of a resolution that's been proposed by by justin because

[0:33:50] Voice 4: all the people on residential land that that say they want to do something but

[0:33:56] Voice 16: yet they rent their

[0:33:57] Voice 16: they rent their second dwelling out as airbnb and this and that and provides absolutely nothing for

[0:34:03] Voice 16: the people who live here so i'm i am in favor of the same resolution because i do think we

[0:34:09] Voice 16: we do need to do something about what the house and what people are living together

[0:34:13] Voice 16: can they

[0:34:17] Voice 18: go back down to this end here um so in the very back there

[0:34:22] Voice 18: a

[0:34:23] Voice 14: few things i wanted to address um the chair with respect i

[0:34:30] Voice 8: get concerned when

[0:34:31] Voice 8: members of the public um are called out and mention my name and i think um it's incumbent upon

[0:34:39] Voice 8: everybody in this room not to call out other people and individuals um you know to respect

[0:34:44] Voice 8: their privacy especially individuals who aren't here today um i also respect um and um appreciate

[0:34:52] Voice 8: the bonus emotion to bring these issues forward and thirdly i was happy to see on the agenda

[0:34:57] Voice 8: that Crystal

[0:34:59] Voice 14: Mountain is being proposed for public hearing, LTC, you are the seventh LTC I believe, to preside over this application and I would like to state that it is, it has, it cannot be underestimated,

[0:35:13] Voice 8: the stress that it puts on the community, never mind the applicants, to have applications dried out as long as they have.

[0:35:22] Voice 8: out so i am very happy and supportive to see the planner's recommendation to move uh crystal

[0:35:28] Voice 8: mountain forward thank you thank

[0:35:31] Voice 15: you and i'll just uh i'll just speak to the one point there

[0:35:33] Voice 15: maybe i didn't quite catch it but um there is an expectation and as as chair i do hold an

[0:35:40] Voice 15: expectation that the proceedings here are going to be respectful and uh and yes please stick to

[0:35:45] Voice 15: the issues and and uh avoid personal uh personality or individual stuff and uh loan care yes sir

[0:35:55] Voice 4: yeah roger edit 222 vineyard way i'm a farmer on the uh island here i lost two employees last year

[0:36:06] Voice 4: i had was down to one employee usually have three so as a result my production was less

[0:36:13] Voice 4: of course the weather had somewhat to do with it.

[0:36:15] Voice 4: So I really support the initiatives for affordable housing.

[0:36:20] Voice 4: I've supported it for 25 years

[0:36:23] Voice 4: that I've been around this island.

[0:36:26] Voice 16: And certainly I don't think that

[0:36:33] Voice 16: if the forest law issue was brought to a vote

[0:36:37] Voice 16: with this community we have here now,

[0:36:40] Voice 16: it would have much support uh and uh uh i like my knowledge there's no place in

[0:36:49] Voice 4: canada where you can

[0:36:51] Voice 4: own a hundred acres of land and not build a house on it it just doesn't occur anywhere else and uh

[0:36:58] Voice 4: there's nothing special about our forests that aren't in every other forest uh i

[0:37:05] Voice 16: i respect the

[0:37:06] Voice 16: forest but uh one house on on uh 100 acres or 20 acres certainly doesn't affect it as much as one

[0:37:17] Voice 16: house on a city lot or on the small lots away from the forest what's so different about them

[0:37:25] Voice 16: why aren't they respected so i fully support uh something being done about the forest lot

[0:37:35] Voice 16: lot situation it's an abomination it should cease and people that live on the land take care of the

[0:37:42] Voice 16: land

[0:37:43] Voice 4: also i support the crystal mountain application it's gone on far too long if

[0:37:54] Voice 4: there's not much different about that application than the application for the learning center which

[0:38:00] Voice 4: I also support.

[0:38:02] Voice 16: The learning center is owned by a society and the

[0:38:09] Voice 4: Crystal Mountain is owned

[0:38:11] Voice 4: by a society. Tell me the difference. It's, you know, we have this discussion with you.

[0:38:24] Voice 4: I fully support Crystal Mountain and I believe most of the north end supports Crystal Mountain.

[0:38:33] Voice 4: Thank you for that.

[0:38:35] Voice 18: But with this gentleman, I don't think he's spoken yet, and then I'll come back.

[0:38:42] Voice 3: Art Moses, 375 Juniper Lane, North End.

[0:38:46] Voice 3: I wasn't going to comment on this, but to Roger, the difference between the Learning Centre and Coastal Mountain was very simple.

[0:38:55] Voice 3: The Learning Centre's land was zoned for a major housing development, residential, whereas Coastal Mountain was on forest land.

[0:39:03] Voice 3: and zone for nothing but forestry.

[0:39:06] Voice 3: Significant difference.

[0:39:07] Voice 3: Anyways, I was going to get up and support

[0:39:10] Voice 3: what Jeff Gaylor said about the notice of motion,

[0:39:14] Voice 3: which I'm quite concerned about.

[0:39:16] Voice 3: I can see where you might,

[0:39:18] Voice 3: because of the concerns about affordable housing,

[0:39:22] Voice 3: that a motion that relaxes bylaw enforcement

[0:39:27] Voice 3: on unlawful dwellings

[0:39:30] Voice 3: that are providing affordable housing at this time could be supported but as as Jeff says

[0:39:38] Voice 3: not in areas that do not allow residents to start with the F1 the galleon is very distinct from all

[0:39:48] Voice 3: the other gulf islands that have put in that have relaxed these enforcement provisions insofar as

[0:40:00] Voice 3: uh almost half the island was owned by a forestry company and then it was uh it was sold uh so the

[0:40:07] Voice 3: uh you know the history is

[0:40:10] Voice 3: there to to look at i hope mr chairman that you uh have looked at the

[0:40:15] Voice 3: history or look a little more deeply into what happened over the years but the fact that half

[0:40:21] Voice 3: half the island was in managed forest

[0:40:26] Voice 3: and then moved to an F1 destination

[0:40:30] Voice 3: that does not allow dwelling without a rezoning,

[0:40:33] Voice 3: was a sound planning principles

[0:40:41] Voice 3: enacted by the local trust committee at the time

[0:40:44] Voice 3: and was upheld by the BC Court of Appeal

[0:40:47] Voice 3: and was denied at the Supreme Court of Canada

[0:40:51] Voice 3: to appeal those bylaws so they stand and they're an important part of how the community has planned

[0:40:57] Voice 3: itself now i noticed that there a notice of motion was given at the last meeting about this bylaw

[0:41:02] Voice 3: but notice was not given to the community i noticed that you didn't the trustees did not put

[0:41:08] Voice 3: any information about this notice of motion in in your report either your reports in the active

[0:41:15] Voice 3: page that have come out since then so there is no this is a very very to uh open the zoning

[0:41:23] Voice 3: essentially it opens the the forest zone it would open the forest zone as well as

[0:41:29] Voice 3: uh other other zones to unlawful dwellings uh overthrows uh years of uh policy and planning

[0:41:40] Voice 3: of this one this local trust committee and a change of this nature should be part of a full

[0:41:48] Voice 3: scale uh official community plan review that's where this stuff should be done not uh not

[0:41:54] Voice 3: will be nearly from a notice of motion made with no notice in the community

[0:42:04] Voice 3: so that's really all i have to say but i urge you if you're going to support this

[0:42:09] Voice 3: take the stuff about the uh f1 area and any areas that don't permit a dwelling out of that out of

[0:42:18] Voice 3: that motion if you're going to go ahead i think it's probably better to have to refer it and have

[0:42:24] Voice 3: a more of a full-scale community conversation about this thanks very much thank you uh

[0:42:35] Voice 4: My concern is very similar.

[0:42:39] Voice 4: The fact that businesses are losing employees

[0:42:43] Voice 4: is not because we don't have houses.

[0:42:46] Voice 4: It's because people that have the houses aren't interested in renting them.

[0:42:51] Voice 4: Or if they are renting them, they're renting them on the weekends to Airbnb.

[0:42:56] Voice 4: So it's not about not having houses.

[0:42:59] Voice 4: It's about the people who don't rent them.

[0:43:01] Voice 4: So, criticism and enforcement might be best guided to the Airbnb market, so that speculators

[0:43:10] Voice 4: who buy properties and then rent them can't do it anymore, especially when they don't

[0:43:18] Voice 4: live here.

[0:43:18] Voice 4: Or if they do live here, the residents that have an accommodation are somehow discouraged

[0:43:23] from Airbnb

[0:43:24] Voice 4: and encouraged to rent locally.

[0:43:28] Voice 4: that is where people will have a place to stay and non-enforcement is a non-issue

[0:43:36] Voice 4: it's actually an enforcement about airbnb and the opportunistic leverage of property ownership

[0:43:44] Voice 4: over those who do not own properties the property owners who rent to airbnb versus somebody in their

[0:43:52] Voice 4: their community.

[0:43:54] Voice 4: So if those bylaws could be written,

[0:43:57] Voice 4: I would largely encourage those

[0:43:59] Voice 4: and enforcement policy over a non-enforcement policy

[0:44:04] Voice 4: because it actually leads strength, integrity,

[0:44:08] Voice 4: honesty, and transparency to the community plan

[0:44:14] Voice 4: and the job of the trustees.

[0:44:18] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:44:20] Voice 16: Yes, sir.

[0:44:23] Voice 16: how we keep the 129-speed road.

[0:44:26] Voice 16: And on the subject of forestry, I'm

[0:44:31] Voice 16: the acting chair of the Galliana Local Forestry Association,

[0:44:35] Voice 16: which is driving toward much better care of the forest

[0:44:40] Voice 16: to reduce fire risk, to promote biodiversity,

[0:44:43] Voice 16: to improve water recharge, and generally

[0:44:47] Voice 16: to make the forest a forest that we can be proud of

[0:44:51] Voice 16: and that we can all enjoy.

[0:44:52] Voice 16: I'm also the chief engineer of the Trails Society, which has got quite a few owners of large forest parcels on board with public access.

[0:45:04] Voice 16: And if you go back to the year 2000, if you looked at a satellite photo of the island, you would see huge patches of clear cuts.

[0:45:12] Voice 16: And in the last millennium, the problem in our forest was probably that kind of harvesting.

[0:45:19] Voice 16: And if you look at some of the photos now, the entire island is green because there has

[0:45:25] Voice 16: been no fire cutting over the past 23 years.

[0:45:28] Voice 16: And on the other hand, we do need some harvesting to thin the forest that's overstocked.

[0:45:34] Voice 16: That's a fire hazard.

[0:45:36] Voice 16: A lot of work needs to be done in the forest.

[0:45:39] Voice 16: And the problem with our forest is that they are mostly neglected.

[0:45:43] Voice 16: So we need to encourage really good care of the forest.

[0:45:48] Voice 16: and that does include the best care of those people that live on the land thank you thank you

[0:45:55] Voice 15: i'm going to take uh we're about 10 minutes over actually i'm going to take you two uh

[0:45:59] Voice 15: why don't you go and then i'll take uh something from sadi and

[0:46:02] Voice 15: then we'll move on to the agenda

[0:46:04] Voice 15: there is another town hall session on the agenda later so please go ahead hi

[0:46:09] Voice 2: uh charlesson you

[0:46:10] Voice 2: will give me your addresses i'll give my status number five three five zero zero three two zero

[0:46:15] Voice 2: 001. I represent Dane Quarry to Galliano

[0:46:17] Voice 6: which are the southern majority because they are five

[0:46:20] Voice 6: percent of the population. So I just wanted to stand

[0:46:23] Voice 7: and introduce ourselves to you. We're on

[0:46:26] Voice 7: Galliano Island. We are Indigenous people. We've been here for the documented 200 years and

[0:46:33] Voice 6: probably longer before that. So we've had to, all of you, most of you probably had Uncle Charlie's

[0:46:39] Voice 6: goodbye and uncle charlie didn't have a house at the very end i know it wasn't for us trying to

[0:46:45] Voice 6: pull together he wouldn't have had a house because he was asked to be he was asked to be there was

[0:46:50] Voice 6: no place for him to go that would that would take care of him and that's a sad situation

[0:46:54] Voice 6: our elder had no home when he

[0:46:56] Voice 8: left so i support any kind of anything to do with affordable housing

[0:47:05] Voice 8: we always talk about how indigenous people know how to look back in the forest

[0:47:09] Voice 8: a lot of communities are going to indigenous people to ask them how to look after the forest

[0:47:14] Voice 8: i think this community should do the same too you should go back to how we used to do it we have

[0:47:19] Voice 8: um a couple of homes here it probably has understanding it has ways to work with our

[0:47:26] Voice 8: island this is historic territory as well so i think that if we go back to the indigenous

[0:47:31] Voice 8: as ways

[0:47:32] Voice 6: of doing things and also understanding that we're only as strong as our weakest link

[0:47:39] Voice 6: but we have a lot of weak

[0:47:40] Voice 8: links in this community so i just wanted to introduce myself to you

[0:47:44] Voice 8: um i represent the great co-social people galliano island and uh i'm happy to be here and work in a

[0:47:50] Voice 8: partnership as well thank you for that

[0:47:55] Voice 4: Okay. Thank you.

[0:47:59] Voice 18: All

[0:47:59] Voice 4: right, well thanks

[0:48:01] Voice 4: everybody for that and we do have another section later

[0:48:05] Voice 10: on so we're going to move

[0:48:06] Voice 4: on to the rest of the agenda for a bit here.

[0:48:10] Voice 4: No community information meeting no public hearing.

[0:48:13] Voice 4: and that brings us to the minute of the december 15th meeting for adoption any notes on that

[0:48:26] Voice 4: yes okay

[0:48:27] Voice 4: so in that case we can just adopt them by general consent

[0:48:31] Voice 4: for that and then that brings us on section 9.2 there are no residents without meetings

[0:48:38] Voice 4: no advisory planning commission minutes and that brings right down to 10.1 the follow-up

[0:48:46] Voice 4: action list from january 2023 on page 11 and uh is there anything staff want to speak to on this list

[0:48:57] Voice 4: Or, you know, the only piece still in progress is a letter from the LTC chair regarding funding

[0:49:10] Voice 4: partners for the last 10% of funding.

[0:49:13] Voice 4: So I think that's coming up in the lead to chair at some point.

[0:49:17] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:49:18] Voice 4: And I assume that staff is going to work with me on drafting that?

[0:49:21] Voice 4: Typically, in those cases, the chair would draft the letter and staff would help with

[0:49:28] Voice 4: okay okay

[0:49:29] Voice 18: so that's that's good to

[0:49:30] Voice 4: know so i will make that so that's uh number seven

[0:49:37] Voice 4: and any questions from trustees on the follow-up action list

[0:49:43] Voice 4: uh no i would say though that um that letter was time sensitive

[0:49:47] Voice 4: step. So he's already wrapped on the ladder and send it off.

[0:49:52] Voice 4: Perfect. Yeah.

[0:49:59] So

[0:49:59] Voice 4: that's complete.

[0:50:08] Voice 4: Okay, then. No delegations today. Correspondence. We have a couple

[0:50:14] Voice 4: it leads to the correspondence is there anything either trustee wants to do about these or just

[0:50:21] Voice 4: receive for information for

[0:50:23] Voice 7: information yeah okay

[0:50:25] Voice 4: bring us have a meeting break scheduled

[0:50:33] Voice 4: uh you guys want to just plow ahead for a bit okay yep i'll

[0:50:38] Voice 4: find that in style for you you're

[0:50:39] Voice 4: coming down taking a break right now and that brings us right into applications and referrals

[0:50:46] Voice 4: at 14.1 and I assume we're going to hear it from Steph on this thank

[0:50:52] Voice 6: you um just want to quickly

[0:50:55] Voice 6: introduce myself my name is Kim Stockdale and I actually have worked with this community before

[0:51:00] Voice 6: um about five years ago so I'm very happy and fortunate to be back working with the community

[0:51:06] Voice 6: and the LTC um I am used to working in a very cold north tender hall and it is very important

[0:51:14] Voice 6: been here so thanks toasty i appreciate that anyways back to the agenda so um i'm introducing

[0:51:22] Voice 6: a development variance permit uh granting this variance will permit the construction of a stacked

[0:51:28] Voice 6: boulder smoke stabilization stabilization works to remediate a slide area which is from that

[0:51:35] Voice 6: atmospheric river we had back in november 2021 and um this stabilization stabilization work is

[0:51:43] Voice 6: is to provide protection for a water service line

[0:51:48] Voice 6: and also the gravel driveway

[0:51:51] Voice 6: and also from further erosion.

[0:51:54] Voice 6: There are actually two applications

[0:51:56] Voice 6: associated with this proposal.

[0:51:58] Voice 6: First is the DVP, which is on the agenda.

[0:52:00] Voice 6: The second is a development permit

[0:52:02] Voice 6: and the development permit will be addressed

[0:52:05] Voice 6: if this DVP is approved by the LTC,

[0:52:07] Voice 6: the DP will be delegated to staff.

[0:52:09] Voice 6: So the DP will be applicable to the service line and also the works within DPA 2, which is the shoreline and marine, and also the DPA 7, which is deep slopes.

[0:52:25] Voice 6: As part of the DP application, the applicant provided a number of professional reports.

[0:52:32] Voice 6: One was an environmental assessment report. There was also multiple geotechnical reports.

[0:52:40] Voice 6: and um recommendations from both reports actually helped to create um this this

[0:52:47] Voice 6: stack holder stabilization so the proposed development or the proposed stabilization

[0:52:55] Voice 6: it actually is a construction of two areas of stack folders riprap stabilization with a pocket

[0:53:03] Voice 6: of planting. And also in between those two areas, there'll be natural stabilization methods with pockets of native planting.

[0:53:14] Voice 6: So it's a mix of soft shore green works, or green shores, and also mix of the hard stabilization with the riprap.

[0:53:24] Voice 6: so the reason for this variance application is the slope stabilization structure is considered

[0:53:32] Voice 6: a structure in the land use bylaw and it needs a variance from the natural boundary of the sea

[0:53:38] Voice 6: so this variance is requesting a variance down to the natural boundary of the sea so to zero liters

[0:53:46] Voice 6: to date we have received no submissions in response to the notification and staff just

[0:53:53] Voice 6: wanted to note that there isn't any anticipated impact to the neighboring properties in addition

[0:54:01] Voice 6: based on the professional reports it was determined that using soft shore green shores

[0:54:10] Voice 6: with a mix of hard engineering solutions was the best option, rather than just using all softer options,

[0:54:18] Voice 6: which really wouldn't help to achieve the goal of stabilizing that bank.

[0:54:24] Voice 6: So staff have provided a recommendation to improve the variance.

[0:54:28] Voice 6: This is based on the fact that variance is minor and the construction has been deemed necessary by the geotechnical engineer.

[0:54:36] Voice 6: year the design facilitates some more natural protection using small aggregate and native

[0:54:42] Voice 6: plantings and the impacts to neighbors and also the surrounding environment are are minor so on

[0:54:49] Voice 6: page 20 of the agenda there's a recommendation there for the ltc to consider to approve the

[0:54:57] Voice 6: issuance of the dvp the applicant is also here as well as laura from ryzak engineering and keith is

[0:55:06] Voice 6: also here se

[0:55:07] Voice 14: drafted the environmental assessment thank you thank

[0:55:11] Voice 4: you um we're here from trustee

[0:55:19] Voice 4: thanks for

[0:55:21] Voice 14: the summary um i wasn't sure what to expect today whether i would be asked to

[0:55:30] Voice 14: speak or whether i would just feel that any specific questions i

[0:55:32] Voice 5: just wanted to put you on

[0:55:33] Voice 5: spot.

[0:55:37] Voice 14: I think Kim's provided a nice summary. What we've been asked to do is assess the slide

[0:55:44] Voice 14: that occurred in November 2021 and come up with recommendations on how to stabilize the most

[0:55:52] Voice 14: critical areas that require to be used on the property. So that means the water line

[0:55:57] Voice 14: So, we've come up with a design to stabilize those areas and then in conjunction with Keith and in conjunction with discussions that we previously had with Phil,

[0:56:09] Voice 14: testimony out of this

[0:56:11] Voice 14: trust um we have worked um some plantings and and yeah native native

[0:56:19] Voice 14: plantings and softer areas into the design um to keep it in line with the new excuse as much

[0:56:24] Voice 14: as possible while achieving the outcome which is protection at that day um it's it's not particularly

[0:56:30] Voice 14: the area that comes all the way down to the ocean that is going to be stabilized it is just down

[0:56:34] Voice 14: downslope of the bank were the most disturbed, it sounds great.

[0:56:42] Voice 4: Any other questions? Anything else from Keith?

[0:56:48] Voice 4: So I did an environmental assessment report and

[0:56:54] basically deferred to the geotechnical engineer in terms of how

[0:56:58] to stabilize the

[0:56:59] Voice 4: slope. And the area that's being stabilized,

[0:57:02] Voice 4: just to reiterate what Nora had said, is it's

[0:57:06] Voice 4: slumped down from the top of the bank and there's actually a considerable amount

[0:57:10] Voice 4: of soil and actually still alive growing vegetation along the actual edge of the shoreline.

[0:57:16] Voice 4: Now that may be subject to erosion and natural processes over time, but that's all going to remain in place.

[0:57:23] Voice 4: The riprap and then the filling in some of the cavities between the riprap with soil and planting in those

[0:57:30] Voice 4: is going to occur sort of mid-slope.

[0:57:33] Voice 4: So you'll have natural, existing vegetation, rip rafts and some plantings, and then the top of the bank where the water line is under the hydro.

[0:57:46] I will be doing a prescription for what to plant there

[0:57:49] Voice 4: after the site has been prepared with rip rafts,

[0:57:55] Voice 4: so that I can see what's been disturbed and where there's an opportunity to plant before I can say what to do next.

[0:58:03] Voice 4: that search process uh

[0:58:05] Voice 7: there's a large yield grass there there's some trees that came down

[0:58:09] Voice 7: so we didn't

[0:58:13] Voice 4: see any yield grass

[0:58:14] Voice 4: on that side of the of the bay um there may be i i just want to

[0:58:20] Voice 4: have a look actually there's a bunch of sea lettuce and stuff growing in there um so there's

[0:58:25] Voice 4: some green in there um and i i talked to a colleague of mine who's got more expertise in

[0:58:32] Voice 4: neal grass and we came to the conclusion that the few you know four or five trees which are

[0:58:38] Voice 4: down and leaning in there are not going to cause even if there was neal grass in there it would

[0:58:43] Voice 4: cause significant damage or or setback significantly enough to outweigh the added

[0:58:51] Voice 4: stabilization that their root loss which are still starting to get into the bottom of that bank so

[0:58:56] Voice 4: so even if it was neal grass bed right there we'd probably recommend

[0:59:05] Voice 4: Nothing for me. I would just like to make a motion to approve the recommendation.

[0:59:12] Voice 4: So do one of you want to make the recommended motion there on page 20, then I can do this?

[0:59:17] Voice 4: Do you want me to read

[0:59:18] Voice 4: it out? Yeah, go ahead.

[0:59:19] Voice 4: Yeah, the Atlanta Local Trust Committee approved the influence of development variance permit GL-PPB2021.8 O'Shaughnessy.

[0:59:28] Voice 4: Okay, second.

[0:59:30] Voice 4: Okay, any further discussion?

[0:59:32] Voice 4: No, I'd just say it was really unfortunate.

[0:59:34] Voice 4: Unfortunately, you know, you do a bit of work and then nature decides to do the one thing she hasn't done in a long, long time, which is flood the area.

[0:59:44] Voice 4: It's clear that the culverts that the highways have emerged as some paper big enough to handle the water flow there and the flooding of the land.

[0:59:54] Voice 4: Not even sure if it happened.

[0:59:56] Voice 4: The water line hadn't been flooded.

[1:00:00] Voice 4: on the saturation of that soil so um yeah i'm glad to see some remediation yeah thanks guys

[1:00:08] Voice 4: okay nothing further than i'll call the question all in favor okay motion carries and then

[1:00:19] Voice 4: That brings us to 14.2, and there's a staff report starting on page 72.

[1:00:27] Voice 4: Who is this?

[1:00:28] Voice 4: Is he ready?

[1:00:29] Voice 4: Yeah, sure.

[1:00:31] Voice 4: So, staff report on page 72, New Desert Actions with respect to Crystal Mountain.

[1:00:37] Voice 4: The staff are bringing a recommendation to the Open Trust Committee.

[1:00:42] Consider directing staff to

[1:00:44] Voice 4: schedule a public hearing on the Crystal Mountain application.

[1:00:46] Voice 4: application the report is relatively brief the recommendations why they're supported are listed

[1:00:53] Voice 4: there in the background and we've had some discussions uh initially to bring up the

[1:01:02] Voice 4: speaker from the application so there was a community information meeting held in this hall

[1:01:08] Voice 4: on september on saturday september 24th it was both a electronic and in-person meeting so we gave

[1:01:16] Voice 4: opportunity for people to attend remotely as well as here in the hall approximately 90 people

[1:01:22] Voice 4: attended that meeting the applicants provided details of the proposal including their higher

[1:01:30] Voice 4: professionals and staff provided status of the current proposal just a few other pieces of

[1:01:39] Voice 17: information here so there's

[1:01:41] Voice 17: been ongoing water monitoring

[1:01:43] Voice 4: in the source well and the observation

[1:01:45] Voice 4: on the property by their hydrogeologist professional and he's provided another update to that ongoing

[1:01:55] Voice 4: monitoring report from the period of September to November of 2022 and essentially the findings

[1:02:03] Voice 4: of that report are consistent with all the other water analysis that's been completed

[1:02:07] Voice 4: on the product on the source well including the initial 2000 pump test and the ongoing

[1:02:13] Voice 4: going one one 18 months to two years now.

[1:02:19] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:02:24] Voice 17: So that's that update. Probably the most significant last piece

[1:02:29] Voice 17: of work from the staff perspective is the finalizing

[1:02:32] Voice 17: of the proposed covenant

[1:02:34] Voice 4: conditions. So the previous LTC

[1:02:37] Voice 4: established a section 219 covenant that captured a number

[1:02:41] Voice 4: of considerations around the arborist report ecological assessment and the final piece of

[1:02:50] Voice 4: work to that was working through the water management plan which is now from the staff

[1:02:55] Voice 4: perspective more or less finalized and teasing out all of the most serious

[1:03:00] Voice 17: recognitions in that

[1:03:03] Voice 17: at what our report or requirements

[1:03:06] Voice 16: and inserting them

[1:03:09] Voice 16: into the cabinet.

[1:03:10] Voice 16: So that's what we have in there highlighted in red.

[1:03:15] Voice 16: And yeah, I think with that,

[1:03:19] Voice 16: I will pass it back to the committee.

[1:03:21] Voice 16: We do have a few presenters in the room

[1:03:24] Voice 16: as well as the project manager.

[1:03:32] Voice 4: Yeah, a couple of comments. I've met with a few people about the water, the concerns with water.

[1:03:45] And I think it's important

[1:03:46] Voice 4: to note that, given there's two lines here, the province still has not assigned a reviewing officer to the CMS water license application.

[1:03:55] Voice 4: and the province may require additional groundwater testing to be complete prior to consideration

[1:04:01] Voice 4: of the water license, be aware of that.

[1:04:03] Voice 4: And should the LTC decide to proceed at some point with consideration of adoption of By-law

[1:04:08] Voice 4: No. 256 and 257 prior to the issuance of the water license by the province, the LTC could

[1:04:17] Voice 4: make final rezoning subject to the license approval.

[1:04:19] Voice 4: So you're aware of those two line items in there.

[1:04:23] Voice 4: The other question I have is, if you go to the last page where the map is, from Davina Drive down to Polyar Pass, there's access through there.

[1:04:37] Voice 4: And would that be a registered emergency access with the CRD?

[1:04:41] Voice 4: Yes.

[1:04:42] Voice 4: That's correct.

[1:04:44] Voice 4: From Davina to Polyar on Lot A.

[1:04:49] Voice 4: So sorry about it. Yeah, there's a section in lot B. Yes. Right. So that would have to

[1:04:58] Voice 4: be part of the statutory right away. I mean, the answer. Well, it's not ideal. So they're

[1:05:07] Voice 4: clarified. So the portion that they've agreed to, of course, across their lands, right,

[1:05:12] Voice 4: the remainder of the lands would be transferred to the Islands Trust Conservancy to 75% of

[1:05:21] Voice 4: the lanes where they

[1:05:22] Voice 4: rode it would the srmw would would uh would apply to both all the pieces of the

[1:05:29] Voice 4: subject right but not be there's still a portion of the driveway that crosses yes you know i don't

[1:05:39] Voice 4: know a couple hundred feet at least so you know from my question and to be consistent with um an

[1:05:49] Voice 4: application like this as we have with stephen's one is that the right-of-ways would be the

[1:05:54] Voice 4: statutory right would be complete road to road for emergency access some point have an emergency

[1:05:59] Voice 4: access that stops 200 feet of where you need to be maybe i

[1:06:03] Voice 4: don't completely understand what you're

[1:06:04] Voice 4: concerned based on what the map shows so you will pass the application on the last map you'll see

[1:06:10] Voice 4: that section from from polio pass to the application to the law on the uh page 92.

[1:06:33] Voice 4: so looking at the map and then what's your concern um so there was a registered

[1:06:40] Voice 4: um statutory right away that um ended prior to polio yeah so go ahead so i think in general

[1:06:54] Voice 4: from my understanding keith is the portion so the work has been done with the crd and the

[1:07:00] Voice 4: and the applicant to determine and register that right away

[1:07:05] Voice 4: or have it prepared for registration more or less, right?

[1:07:08] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:07:10] Voice 4: I'm not sure if this answers your question,

[1:07:11] Voice 4: but the entire portion,

[1:07:14] Voice 17: as I understand it,

[1:07:15] Voice 17: of your property is captured along that right of way, correct?

[1:07:18] Voice 4: That's correct.

[1:07:19] Voice 17: And so your concern is

[1:07:21] Voice 4: what happens with the other portion

[1:07:22] Voice 4: of those lands that are not owned by Crystal Lansing?

[1:07:25] Voice 4: Well, there's a section there.

[1:07:27] Voice 4: If this is an emergency...

[1:07:29] Voice 4: yeah and so those lands will be transferred to the to the itc no no

[1:07:35] Voice 4: the piece that extends through the romanoli property yes

[1:07:44] Voice 4: uh i mean that's a conversation i guess that we would the easement exists there for for this

[1:07:55] Voice 4: property to cross so my understanding is that the easement would exist there as it would go

[1:08:00] Voice 4: with the title of the land uh now whether the crd needs to find agreement with that particular

[1:08:06] Voice 4: property or not that's a good question it doesn't necessarily impact what crystal mount has done

[1:08:12] Voice 4: which is agreed to the uh emergency taxes across their portion you must get the feeling of where

[1:08:21] Voice 16: i'm getting that absolutely that

[1:08:23] Voice 4: portion across several people on the other side of um the davina

[1:08:30] Voice 4: roadside if they're saying okay there's an emergency access through this property

[1:08:34] Voice 4: and it stops short of foliar paths it's not an emergency access right so i get that

[1:08:39] Voice 4: but that's not something crystal mountain

[1:08:42] Voice 4: because

[1:08:43] Voice 14: they don't own

[1:08:45] Voice 4: that portion of them they

[1:08:46] Voice 14: don't own that

[1:08:47] Voice 4: you have the easement there there is an easement across that property

[1:08:52] Voice 4: And there is, we

[1:08:58] Voice 5: have had advice

[1:09:02] Voice 4: that steps for a right-of-way serve as an agent, as making the CRD an agent or a person invited onto the crystal mounted portion or the lot A.

[1:09:21] and that then

[1:09:22] Voice 4: that would enable them to use the easement for that purpose that they've been

[1:09:28] Voice 4: invited for so that there's been a there has been advice that that would be the case which would

[1:09:34] Voice 4: effectively allow for the for the movement across that portion of the easement on block b

[1:09:42] Voice 4: but that's i that's a bit beyond mine

[1:09:51] Voice 4: profession. So we don't want to buy a lawyer who has suggested that that would be the case,

[1:09:57] Voice 4: but not, I mean, I don't know, we get more information on that for another opinion.

[1:10:06] Voice 7: So

[1:10:06] Voice 4: yeah, just so I mean, staff can go work with the applicant in the CRD to better understand

[1:10:15] Voice 4: how your agreement that you currently

[1:10:17] Voice 17: have with the CRD will establish the CRD that would

[1:10:21] Voice 17: allow and then enable

[1:10:22] Voice 4: yeah crossing

[1:10:24] Voice 17: over the same

[1:10:25] Voice 4: concern and question and that's why we

[1:10:29] Voice 4: consulted with the lawyer and they were satisfied by that we can be sharing that and they were

[1:10:37] Voice 4: satisfied by that so I think there's some it would be nice to be able to see that there's

[1:10:44] Voice 4: Yeah. So we'll put that on the

[1:10:46] Voice 4: follow up action. That's just an item to follow up on.

[1:10:48] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:10:54] Voice 7: Well, I've been, uh,

[1:10:55] Voice 7: Sorry about that, Ethan.

[1:11:02] Voice 7: Right, so my understanding is that the registered...

[1:11:11] Voice 4: I was just going to say, it's also, in addition to the fact that you may be able to use that entire driveway, in fact,

[1:11:21] Voice 4: also by securing the emergency access on lot a it sets up for the completion of that

[1:11:29] Voice 4: full statutory right-of-way should the owners of lobby ever wish to uh rezone their property

[1:11:36] Voice 4: or do something with their property where that could play then emergency access right yeah

[1:11:45] Voice 4: Yeah, but there's, so the issues of access,

[1:11:50] Voice 4: so who maintains those sort of things.

[1:11:53] Voice 4: So I think there's some clarification.

[1:11:54] Voice 4: We just need to get some clarification

[1:11:56] Voice 4: on how that's complete,

[1:11:59] Voice 4: because like I say, an emergency access

[1:12:01] Voice 4: that stops 200 feet short is not an emergency access.

[1:12:05] Voice 4: It's a dead end.

[1:12:06] Voice 4: I think my

[1:12:07] Voice 4: expectation, and we will talk about it again

[1:12:11] Voice 4: with the CRD and work with the state to ensure that,

[1:12:13] Voice 4: but my expectation is that the crd has worked with the crystal mountain uh with the expectation that

[1:12:20] Voice 4: that uh like you have an

[1:12:23] Voice 4: agreement we haven't realized the

[1:12:24] Voice 9: crd and so

[1:12:26] Voice 4: we haven't seen that

[1:12:26] Voice 4: pretty sure but maybe

[1:12:32] Voice 10: but

[1:12:33] Voice 4: uh so my expectation would be that the crd wouldn't go through all that work if they could

[1:12:39] Voice 4: could not complete that entire corridor, but we will confirm.

[1:12:45] Voice 7: I don't think any of us is going to change our recommendation.

[1:12:51] Voice 4: In my view, I mean, one of the community amenities is emergency

[1:12:55] Voice 4: access across the across the lands. If truly that the portion

[1:13:01] Voice 4: on lot B owned by the Romagnoli's

[1:13:03] Voice 17: completely constricts the CRD

[1:13:07] Voice 17: from using that as an emergency access route, then in a sense, I

[1:13:10] Voice 17: guess that community amenities and realize but crystal mountain has done everything in their

[1:13:16] Voice 17: power across their lands

[1:13:17] Voice 4: to enable that emergency road to exist so uh whether would it hold me back

[1:13:26] Voice 4: from going to public during this point i would say no i think that there's time uh in their

[1:13:31] Voice 4: interim to bring that information uh back to the trust committee uh before a public hearing would

[1:13:36] Voice 4: be held we could bring it back in a

[1:13:39] Voice 4: brief staff memo to summarize what we learned and how that

[1:13:43] Voice 4: works at the next meeting for example so in my view given and we can talk about timing of a

[1:13:51] Voice 4: public hearing if you decide to go there but with respect to a public hearing there's statutory

[1:13:57] Voice 4: notification requirements that need to be met of course and there's also with

[1:14:01] Voice 17: respect to this

[1:14:02] Voice 17: application uh and the previous seven or eight

[1:14:05] Voice 4: years of application that came before this one

[1:14:09] Voice 4: literally hundreds and probably thousands of pages for staff to compile into the uh into the

[1:14:16] Voice 17: binder so i think uh given we need to also give us 10

[1:14:22] Voice 16: years edition to advertise in the active page

[1:14:25] Voice 4: and so my recommendation is to look at public hearing at some time between mid-april and

[1:14:32] Voice 4: everything we can talk about i think staff would recommend a

[1:14:37] Voice 17: saturday uh just because of the uh

[1:14:39] Voice 17: significant interest that has occurred

[1:14:41] Voice 4: in this application over time uh and so that will give us

[1:14:47] Voice 4: a lot of time to sort out the answer to that and ultimately in getting to public hearing in staff's

[1:14:59] Voice 4: perspective you spent so much time and energy and you have this community on this application

[1:15:04] Voice 4: so i think from the staff perspective of borrowing this one piece of information that's your last

[1:15:11] Voice 4: question uh it's time to get to public hearing for a decision to be rendered whether it is uh

[1:15:17] Voice 4: approval or not approval it's time to move on from this application and so borrowing this question as

[1:15:24] Voice 4: well as uh i think uh this question you've really stated uh i think there is a need to have a water

[1:15:32] Voice 4: license in hand before you consider a rezoning approval but you could consider subject to

[1:15:39] Voice 4: approval and so the steps view that and then you can decide what to do after that

[1:15:58] Voice 7: I have a few site visits.

[1:16:02] Voice 7: I've seen some of the applicants and with some of the neighbors, read the correspondence

[1:16:08] Voice 7: and the online staff reports.

[1:16:09] Voice 7: Also attended regular business meetings from last term.

[1:16:13] Voice 7: Attended the September's information meeting.

[1:16:16] Voice 7: I've also received recent correspondence from Chris Mount and his own team about robust

[1:16:27] Voice 7: that was issued over the great water system that's been rescinded um we are a new term new trustees

[1:16:38] Voice 8: um i'm satisfied with the information of the staff the applicants and the professionals

[1:16:42] Voice 8: to put forward um and the decisions have

[1:16:45] Voice 7: been made about the use of this land

[1:16:59] No, no, I mean, I think I

[1:17:01] Voice 4: would agree on a few points today that obviously there's, there's

[1:17:07] Voice 4: some information that I feel is silly, but nothing, I didn't, I don't point anything

[1:17:14] Voice 4: here that would stop us from going to the publisher.

[1:17:16] Voice 4: I think it's it's the next step we need to do, and

[1:17:22] Voice 4: Yeah,

[1:17:27] Voice 18: well, so it sounds like staff, you don't need any specific direction to clarify that road access.

[1:17:38] Voice 18: and then

[1:17:39] Voice 4: in terms of making the subject to

[1:17:43] Voice 18: evidence of the water license that also doesn't

[1:17:46] Voice 18: have to happen prior to public hearing correct that would

[1:17:49] Voice 18: be that would also happen where you're

[1:17:51] Voice 4: considering adoption okay which is uh so just in terms of process uh

[1:17:57] Voice 17: if you decide to go to

[1:17:59] Voice 17: public hearing post-public hearing uh you would then be presented a report from staff and you

[1:18:04] Voice 17: consider then to give second and third

[1:18:06] Voice 4: reading of the bylaws as at this time these draft bylaws

[1:18:09] Voice 4: or proposed bylaws are on the first reading. If you do decide to give second and third reading

[1:18:14] Voice 4: then at that time staff would send them to the executive committee for approval and then the

[1:18:19] Voice 4: next step after that is the ministerial approval of the OCP amendment as all OCP amendments require

[1:18:29] Voice 4: require assuming executive committee and minister approval is in place you would then be to file us

[1:18:36] Voice 4: but then we grow back to you again and you would be at a point where you consider adoption and if

[1:18:43] Voice 4: a water license wasn't issued at that point staff would likely recommend that if you are considering

[1:18:48] Voice 4: an adoption you would make it subject to okay thank you that's pretty clear with me um

[1:18:56] Voice 4: second

[1:18:59] Voice 7: the

[1:19:19] Voice 4: motion uh any further discussions

[1:19:27] Voice 4: all right then that makes me curious do you want to talk about timing and are you are you

[1:19:33] Voice 4: prepared to plan on a date so the staff can start working towards that um yeah i mean it's

[1:19:39] Voice 4: we have to look at our one would be the sort of the first initial uh i would suggest uh with

[1:19:48] Voice 4: respect to my personal uh calendar um i was going to propose either april 15th which is

[1:19:55] Voice 4: which is a Saturday or May the 6th, which is also a Saturday.

[1:20:00] Voice 4: I'm thinking of the other one.

[1:20:02] Voice 14: April.

[1:20:03] Voice 4: April?

[1:20:04] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:20:04] Voice 4: Yeah, that one.

[1:20:06] Voice 4: Yeah, yeah.

[1:20:07] Voice 4: Is that the time for it?

[1:20:09] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:20:13] Voice 4: And so we would publish

[1:20:17] Voice 5: notice in the

[1:20:18] Voice 4: Galliano paper on April 1st.

[1:20:23] Voice 4: So we published it in April 1st.

[1:20:25] Voice 4: So in there for two weeks, I think, given the interest in this application, anyone who's interested is going to normally I go down to Saturna on Saturdays at lunch.

[1:20:38] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm just looking at

[1:20:45] Voice 18: my calendar here and I think the May date works a little bit better for me, but I can make the I could make the

[1:20:55] Voice 18: maybe it's

[1:20:56] Voice 4: a little more time for staff to get prepared right

[1:20:58] Voice 18: yeah so um

[1:21:03] Voice 18: so we'll

[1:21:04] Voice 4: uh look at scheduling it for uh saturday may the second

[1:21:11] Voice 4: this hall um so i would almost say north end hall i think i think that's more appropriate

[1:21:19] Voice 4: um i'm just thinking um logistics whether we've got capacity up there

[1:21:24] Voice 4: I

[1:21:25] Voice 5: assume there's going

[1:21:26] Voice 4: to be more than 10 people.

[1:21:27] Voice 4: Yeah, pretty popular.

[1:21:28] Voice 4: Yeah, my view, just given capacity, is that either here at the Lyons Hall there's more room,

[1:21:38] Voice 4: but I

[1:21:38] Voice 4: do understand Lyons Hall.

[1:21:40] Voice 4: Lyons Hall is better there.

[1:21:42] Voice 4: Lyons

[1:21:43] Voice 16: Hall would guarantee you have enough

[1:21:45] Voice 4: room no matter how big the

[1:21:47] Voice 4: turn of it.

[1:21:48] Voice 4: So let's, we'll look at trying to book the Lyons Hall.

[1:21:50] Voice 4: yeah last question do you want it in person only or electronic as well

[1:21:58] Voice 4: yeah sure and something like one o'clock we'll get a staff here on

[1:22:04] Voice 17: that saturday yeah

[1:22:05] Voice 17: yeah

[1:22:05] Voice 4: that's okay schedule

[1:22:08] Voice 4: is one o'clock uh

[1:22:10] Voice 4: we'll figure out the time but i think it does i think

[1:22:12] Voice 4: the fair is more or less the same on saturday

[1:22:41] Voice 4: I don't think it's established.

[1:22:59] Okay, thank you very much.

[1:23:03] That brings us to 14.3, which

[1:23:06] Voice 4: is development permit application.

[1:23:11] Voice 4: And

[1:23:12] Voice 5: we have Charlie

[1:23:13] Voice 4: on the line.

[1:23:14] Voice 5: Hi.

[1:23:15] Voice 5: I'm not

[1:23:15] Voice 4: refusing myself on this one.

[1:23:18] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:23:18] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:23:19] Voice 4: All right.

[1:23:21] So minute ticker, you might want to note that Trustee Mayerle is going to recuse himself

[1:23:26] Voice 4: for this item and I'll just wait for him to leave the room.

[1:23:34] Voice 18: Okay.

[1:23:35] Voice 18: Charlie.

[1:23:36] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:23:36] Voice 1: Good afternoon, Chair Peterson and Trustee Gavreau, and I guess Mayerle is out of the

[1:23:42] Voice 1: building um so this development permit application gldp 2022.5 located at 90 montague road is uh for

[1:23:51] Voice 1: a new construction of a building for food production and a supporting facilities for

[1:23:55] Voice 1: the valley mill restaurant on the adjacent property um in addition three ccans are proposed

[1:24:01] Voice 1: for food concession and temporary storage space and the subject property is within development

[1:24:10] Voice 1: The objective of this DPA is to ensure that new or additional commercial or industrial uses are developed in a matter that is consistent with and enhances rural island character and minimizes impacts on adjacent properties.

[1:24:22] Voice 1: So as part of this DPA and as part of the staff report, the applicant has provided the site building and landscape plans and the plans are as part of attachment to.

[1:24:31] Voice 1: So the proposed work for the construction and the site includes the following, and this

[1:24:43] Voice 1: is for the commercial kitchen retail area and accommodation.

[1:24:47] Voice 1: So the existing house is going to be replaced using a similar scale, mass, and character

[1:24:53] Voice 1: of the original building.

[1:24:55] Voice 1: Landscaping is designed by a certified horticulturalist that aligns with DPA 6 specifications.

[1:25:01] Voice 1: There's going to be installation of lighting for walkways, parking areas, and there will

[1:25:06] Voice 1: be signage.

[1:25:07] Voice 1: And there will be gravel parking areas to accommodate parking for 21 vehicles, as well

[1:25:13] Voice 1: as bicycle storage and pedestrian paths and seating for patrons of the CCAN commissionaries.

[1:25:19] Voice 1: The application complies with the Siting Use and Parking Requirement provisions of Galliano

[1:25:25] Voice 1: island land use regulations and it substantively meets the guidelines for dpa 6 which can be found

[1:25:30] Voice 1: as attachment 3 and so based on the proposals compliance with the dpa guidelines and galliano

[1:25:37] Voice 1: island land use regulations staff recommend that the ltc approved issuance of development permit gl

[1:25:44] Voice 1: dp 22.5 as per the resolution on page one the staff report and i believe the applicant

[1:25:51] Voice 1: applicant and the property owner are there if they would like to speak on more about the project.

[1:26:01] Voice 1: That's it for me.

[1:26:03] Voice 4: Thank you. Is the property owner here? Yes. Do you want to address the local

[1:26:11] Voice 4: That's great.

[1:26:13] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:26:29] Business.

[1:26:35] Voice 4: Lots there.

[1:26:37] Voice 4: The expansion.

[1:26:45] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:26:48] Voice 5: Any questions?

[1:26:49] Voice 5: I don't.

[1:26:50] Voice 7: I met.

[1:26:52] Voice 7: I just like.

[1:26:55] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:26:56] Voice 7: The building that they're proposing is.

[1:26:58] Voice 7: Same summer size.

[1:27:00] Voice 7: As before.

[1:27:02] Voice 7: Oh, yeah. I'll be going.

[1:27:03] Voice 7: if they were really okay

[1:27:07] Voice 4: and no further questions for the staff or applicants no

[1:27:11] Voice 7: and i also wanted

[1:27:12] Voice 7: to note that uh neighbors have may have expressed any concerns okay

[1:27:17] Voice 4: thank you for that um

[1:27:20] Voice 18: so i've

[1:27:22] Voice 18: read through this i don't have any i didn't have anything that stood out for me as a particular

[1:27:27] Voice 18: concern but of course i'd like to hear from from you and you've

[1:27:32] Voice 4: been here you haven't heard anything

[1:27:34] Voice 4: anything else so uh are you prepared to make a recommendation i

[1:27:39] Voice 14: am i believe that the galliano

[1:27:40] Voice 14: local trust committee approved the issuance of development permit glpe uh 2022.1 right and i'll

[1:27:48] Voice 4: second that any further information uh discussion all right well i'll call the question then

[1:27:55] Voice 4: All in favour?

[1:27:57] Voice 4: The motion carries.

[1:28:00] Voice 4: And thank you for that planner.

[1:28:04] Voice 4: Brings us to local trust committee projects.

[1:28:07] Voice 4: We can call back in Trustee Maverly.

[1:28:10] Voice 18: I just want to check in with staff.

[1:28:12] Voice 18: We deferred the break there.

[1:28:14] Voice 18: Do you want to take a little break?

[1:28:16] Voice 18: Sure.

[1:28:17] Voice 18: Should we call like a 10-minute?

[1:28:19] Voice 18: Yeah.

[1:28:19] Voice 18: 10 minutes sound good?

[1:28:21] Voice 18: So that brings us back here.

[1:28:23] Voice 18: let's drive me back here and i'll just note that uh heard that some folks are having a bit of

[1:28:33] Voice 18: trouble hearing when the the planners are calling in here so i'll just ask that while the planners

[1:28:40] Voice 18: uh reporting if everyone can just please be quiet and then uh um uh kim suggested that maybe next

[1:28:49] Voice 18: time we'll bring an external speaker and hopefully that will help uh with everyone uh being able to

[1:28:55] Voice 18: you're in here a bit better so uh with that we're on to section 15.1 the groundwater implementation

[1:29:04] Voice 18: project and we have a staff report and i believe that uh nervous chadwick is joining us here

[1:29:11] Voice 18: hi can you hear i

[1:29:13] Voice 2: can yeah thank you uh trustee peterson um yeah so i um can you hear me

[1:29:22] Voice 18: i can hear you okay

[1:29:23] Voice 2: great so the uh the staff report in front of you um sort of uh puts forward

[1:29:31] Voice 2: bylaws 283 and 284 uh for first reading so those are the land use bylaw and the uh the ocp and um

[1:29:44] Voice 2: um so in addition to uh the recommendations for first reading they're uh you know the the

[1:29:51] Voice 2: staff report also includes the islands trust policy statement so um the staff is

[1:30:00] Voice 2: identified that it's not contrary or variants with the Islands Trust policy statement. So that needs

[1:30:05] Voice 2: to be approved or supported by the trustees. And then the next step, if we manage to go through

[1:30:13] Voice 2: first reading today, will be to request staff to schedule a public hearing for bylaws number,

[1:30:19] Voice 2: for the two bylaws, before March 31st. And so the reason that that date is in place

[1:30:25] Voice 2: is because we have funding in place to support the from the project to support the public hearing

[1:30:34] Voice 2: before March 31st. So I can just give you again just a little bit of a an overview of the project

[1:30:43] Voice 2: so it's work that has sort of built upon a groundwater science project that was initiated

[1:30:55] Voice 2: a few years ago two or three years ago and that that data has been brought together to inform

[1:31:02] Voice 2: the development permit area boundaries for Galliano and there are also some additional

[1:31:11] Voice 2: some additional pieces in the land use bylaw that have been added that that recognize the

[1:31:20] Voice 2: the vulnerability of water on Galliano Island.

[1:31:24] Voice 2: So the land use bylaw amendments that have been proposed

[1:31:30] Voice 2: include some new different definitions,

[1:31:32] Voice 2: system requirements for new builds,

[1:31:36] Voice 2: an increase from 16,000 liters to 18,000 liters

[1:31:39] Voice 2: for secondary suites.

[1:31:40] Voice 2: And that 18,000 liters is a number that was identified

[1:31:45] Voice 2: through conversations with architects and builders,

[1:31:48] Voice 2: builders, as well as looking at how the sizes that these things come in what's practical.

[1:31:55] Voice 2: And that's a number that is also being proposed for North Pender.

[1:32:02] Voice 2: There are some, you know, just sort of language updates, just so that all the language sort

[1:32:09] Voice 2: of aligns with the DPA language and amendments to the OCP.

[1:32:14] Voice 2: and the other sort of significant piece for the land use bylaw are updates to regulations related

[1:32:24] Voice 2: to proof of water for subdivisions so there were proof of water related regulations for subdivision

[1:32:31] Voice 2: previously these have been updated and there's been considerable work over the last probably

[1:32:39] Voice 2: probably a couple of years, starting with the Salt Spring LTC and we've taken that and

[1:32:45] Voice 2: what Galliano is before you now is actually been quite refined.

[1:32:51] Voice 2: There's been provincial input and substantial discussion on our end around all the finer

[1:33:00] Voice 2: points in there.

[1:33:01] Voice 2: So with respect to sort of, there's some general amendments in the OCP, those include some

[1:33:07] Voice 2: some minor changes in the language.

[1:33:09] Voice 2: Again, there's sort of an alignment with the OCP

[1:33:12] Voice 2: and the LEB and some of the language that is in the BPA.

[1:33:18] Voice 2: There are a couple of maps that have been changed.

[1:33:23] Voice 2: So we've replaced Schedule D,

[1:33:25] Voice 2: which identified water resources,

[1:33:27] Voice 2: and it now has water regions.

[1:33:30] Voice 2: And that was part of our mapping work.

[1:33:35] Voice 2: and Schedule G, which was the DPA for elevated groundwater catchment, is now proposed to be

[1:33:42] Voice 2: replaced by the map for the groundwater recharge protection. And so that map reflects

[1:33:52] Voice 2: the five hectare critical aquifer coverage, which as I had sort of explained the methodology a

[1:33:59] Voice 2: little bit the previous LTC meeting the methodology is based on identifying the critical aquifer

[1:34:09] Voice 2: the critical aquifer areas and the extent to which each lot to be included in the DPA is covered

[1:34:21] Voice 2: by critical aquifer area and it was the five after coverage as opposed to the 10 20 or the two

[1:34:29] Voice 2: that was endorsed by the previous ltc after um engagement with the community so that's the map

[1:34:36] Voice 2: that's in there um and the dpa guidelines so galliano did previously have uh dpa guidelines

[1:34:44] Voice 2: for elevated groundwater catchment so these ones were the so some of what was previously included

[1:34:50] Voice 2: is included in terms of exemptions to the DPA.

[1:34:58] Voice 2: And so, and there have been some things

[1:35:01] Voice 2: that have been added specifically,

[1:35:04] Voice 2: like one of the things that we've added

[1:35:05] Voice 2: is an exemption for sort of more clustered development.

[1:35:12] Voice 2: Yeah, so I will leave my description there

[1:35:15] Voice 2: and just sort of open it up for questions here.

[1:35:19] Voice 18: okay thank you planner chadwick questions uh

[1:35:24] Voice 7: i don't have any questions or comments i think that

[1:35:26] Voice 7: this project has

[1:35:28] Voice 8: uh clearly going to be the backbone for a lot of what we do i'd like to

[1:35:32] Voice 8: see it move forward thank

[1:35:34] Voice 4: you another couple things um so in the exemptions um we talked

[1:35:42] Voice 4: about forest fire you know uh blood erosion and protection works now one thing that we do on

[1:35:47] Voice 4: going out and both fire departments do as they promote the fire safe program and um you know the

[1:35:56] Voice 4: in the exemptions it would be nice to know there's not a conflict between fire saving and

[1:36:04] Voice 4: the restrictions on on cutting or clearing around residences and you know i see you know there's

[1:36:15] Voice 4: because it's kind of in there but it's not really clear you know there's there's an allowance for

[1:36:23] Voice 4: forest fire flood erosion protection works but there's also limits on how many trees you can cut

[1:36:30] Voice 4: right yes

[1:36:32] Voice 2: but uh so so i think that the that um sort of clause m there um emergency actions

[1:36:38] Voice 2: required to prevent control or reduce immediate threat to human life etc um i think um that

[1:36:46] Voice 2: that doesn't so there wouldn't necessarily so if it is if the actions are deemed to be um

[1:36:51] Voice 2: to be supportive of of whatever the um the necessary emergency actions are then um it's

[1:36:59] Voice 2: not it wouldn't be restricted in any other way but

[1:37:03] Voice 4: wouldn't it be more effective to actually list

[1:37:06] Voice 4: the part of state program as one of the exemptions um

[1:37:10] Voice 2: again i think i think it's covered there but we

[1:37:13] Voice 2: can certainly add that um we can add that to be more specific yeah

[1:37:19] Voice 4: because i mean we have had

[1:37:20] Voice 4: those conversations with by those conversations with the fire departments where they come in to

[1:37:26] Voice 4: do fire a fire snake saving around the house and they run into um you know the fact that they would

[1:37:34] Voice 4: have to pull a dp to um to do fire department and um to me that doesn't make a lot of sense

[1:37:42] Voice 4: and the other one is um there's no exemption for first nations lands um

[1:37:50] Voice 2: so there aren't any

[1:37:53] Voice 2: first nations lands included uh in the dp um in the tp area

[1:37:59] Voice 4: there's considerable first nations

[1:38:03] Voice 4: lands on going out um that are in the dp you're referring to reserve land oh

[1:38:09] Voice 2: right i i hear what

[1:38:10] Voice 2: you're saying yep yeah

[1:38:11] Voice 4: so we we have we have first nations peoples that live on this land

[1:38:15] Voice 4: and if you look at even the um the um presentation we got from reese i can't remember his last name

[1:38:24] Voice 4: we started

[1:38:25] Voice 4: um talking about first nations lands and and the benefits afforded them

[1:38:33] Voice 4: um that are different than um you know uh regular free simple and i think it would be

[1:38:41] Voice 4: appropriate to look at the differences and and consider and talk with our own First Nations

[1:38:51] Voice 4: and and Connecticut about those lands that are owned by individual First Nations that that are

[1:38:58] Voice 4: living in their traditional territory it's not as if they're not new here as Char pointed out

[1:39:03] Voice 4: quite clearly earlier on these families have been here for 200 years so well before I think the

[1:39:10] Voice 4: Island, even the Islands Trust. And so I think it's an important

[1:39:15] Voice 4: point. It's one I'm going to continually make. And I think

[1:39:19] Voice 4: here we are, you know, this is just sort of the first DP that

[1:39:22] Voice 4: we're dealing with. But I think it's something we need to look

[1:39:27] Voice 4: into and do some consulting around.

[1:39:45] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:39:47] Voice 4: and I just add that if you want to have a staff look into

[1:39:53] Voice 18: both of those specifics

[1:39:55] Voice 18: of Firesmart and the First Nations as essentials, I would assume staff would like some resolutions

[1:40:03] Voice 18: to do that work?

[1:40:05] Voice 2: uh yes okay

[1:40:06] Voice 4: so um well i'll make a resolution to direct staff to look into these um the inclusion

[1:40:14] Voice 4: of fire smart and first nations plans in the exemption one though in the vp is

[1:40:25] Voice 18: that a staff

[1:40:26] Voice 18: can kind of clarify that so it makes sense

[1:40:27] Voice 5: does

[1:40:29] Voice 18: that sound like uh uh enough direction

[1:40:34] Voice 2: Yeah, that's enough direction. Okay.

[1:40:36] Voice 18: I mean, I'll just check that the minute taker has has got the gist of that motion.

[1:40:44] Voice 11: Hi there. Thank you. Thank you for checking Can I just read that back, please do.

[1:40:50] Voice 11: Okay, that the Galliano Island LTC direct staff to look into the inclusion of fire smart exemptions and First Nation activity exemptions.

[1:41:02] Voice 11: exemptions um regarding the groundwater implementation project

[1:41:08] Voice 4: i wouldn't say activity i would say this is first nation land ownership

[1:41:13] Voice 4: first nations ownership of planetary okay

[1:41:17] Voice 4: so if you look at it you know the alrs exam the payment fellows exam first nations were here just

[1:41:26] Voice 4: slightly before even those and um should be exempt

[1:41:29] Voice 18: as well okay so sarah didn't want to

[1:41:32] Voice 18: tell us what you got there and we'll see if that matches uh what trustee may really would like okay

[1:41:38] Voice 11: thank you uh that the ltc direct staff to look into inclusion of fire smart exemptions and first

[1:41:45] Voice 11: nation land ownership in the groundwater implementation project

[1:41:50] Voice 18: that sounds good

[1:41:53] Voice 18: okay that sounds like captured the intent of the mover thank you and

[1:41:58] Voice 18: we've heard from staff that's

[1:42:00] Voice 18: sufficient direction so that's been moved and second and

[1:42:03] Voice 4: that's been moved and seconded any

[1:42:06] Voice 4: further discussion on motion okay i'll call the question all in favor and that motion carries

[1:42:15] Voice 4: okay next so given that are one of you

[1:42:18] Voice 18: uh prepared to go ahead with the promotion i'm just gonna note

[1:42:24] Voice 18: um uh for planner chadwick i'm just noting that the uh you mentioned this the scheduling of the

[1:42:35] Voice 18: public hearing needs to be before march 31st and i'm just having a quick look at my calendar here

[1:42:43] Voice 18: to see what makes sense uh efficiency wise for travel expenses and stuff

[1:42:49] Voice 4: um is that going to

[1:42:52] Voice 4: give us enough is that going to give them sound enough time to do the work that they need to do

[1:42:58] Voice 4: oh no i'm not thinking for

[1:43:00] Voice 18: for public hearing oh yeah the news the new work we've just

[1:43:03] Voice 18: handed you uh planner chadwick uh do you feel like i i'm i was going to propose that we look

[1:43:10] Voice 18: at march 25th um do you feel that would be enough time to uh deal with that new work you've just

[1:43:20] Voice 18: been handed in terms of exemptions uh

[1:43:22] Voice 2: so it will uh it will mean we'll have to come back for first

[1:43:27] Voice 2: reading um i can have a look at it and i can sort of get back to you with um you know a sense of

[1:43:34] Voice 2: timing okay

[1:43:36] Voice 18: uh so what i think i just heard you say then is that uh um you need to do that work

[1:43:42] Voice 18: before we get first reading uh

[1:43:45] Voice 2: yeah i mean it could it could conceivably happen uh afterwards

[1:43:50] Voice 2: afterwards but it's it's better that it happens before okay

[1:43:53] Voice 18: thank you for that clarity so um

[1:43:58] Voice 18: based on that it sounds like uh procedurally we should hold off on first reading until that work

[1:44:04] Voice 18: has been done does that seem reasonable so uh then i guess we can just defer this decision point uh

[1:44:12] Voice 18: until we've uh had that information let me let's just i'm just gonna look at my calendar again when

[1:44:20] Voice 18: is our our march uh meeting is on the 14th so that could potentially be the time for

[1:44:30] Voice 18: uh advancing the

[1:44:31] Voice 18: first reading and then um as far as should we go ahead and pencil in

[1:44:39] Voice 18: uh a a date and again i'm proposing march 25th for the the uh hearing part does that seem reasonable

[1:44:49] Voice 18: to come

[1:44:50] Voice 4: straight in her hair can't shake your head could

[1:44:52] Voice 6: you like me to step in yes please okay

[1:44:56] Voice 6: so we would need sufficient notification period all

[1:44:59] Voice 15: right for the

[1:45:00] Voice 6: public hearing so i think um

[1:45:03] Voice 6: with the ltc asking for this further information meeting that march 31st day for the public hearing

[1:45:09] Voice 6: is not going to happen

[1:45:11] Voice 15: um

[1:45:12] Voice 6: the ltc could give first reading now and then amend um the bylaw

[1:45:18] Voice 6: at the next meeting when uh planner chadwick has that information for you the only thing is those

[1:45:24] Voice 6: amendments wouldn't be including your referral out and those would be to first nations so you

[1:45:30] Voice 4: may want to

[1:45:31] Voice 6: hold off on first reading okay

[1:45:33] Voice 4: okay i mean for my personally i mean i don't think

[1:45:37] Voice 4: that's something that we can't be included right yeah oh so it's

[1:45:43] Voice 6: better to take the time now

[1:45:44] Voice 6: about to rush the public

[1:45:45] Voice 6: hearing okay

[1:45:46] Voice 15: so we'll just then we won't worry about scheduling

[1:45:49] Voice 15: uh at this moment we'll wait until we've had that um

[1:45:54] Voice 4: when we when we're able to look at first

[1:45:57] Voice 4: readings which may be as soon as march 14th okay right so is there any other uh comments or

[1:46:06] Voice 4: anything else that local trustees want to address on this item before we move along

[1:46:12] Voice 4: so we'll just defer the the rest of this till the next meeting thank you planner chadwick thank you

[1:46:21] Voice 4: okay so that then brings us to the report section uh now the active projects report dated january

[1:46:33] Voice 4: 2023 uh do you have a staff member wanting to speak to this section

[1:46:40] Voice 4: or should we just look for questions um

[1:46:44] Voice 6: more so for updates we heard from planner chadwick

[1:46:48] Voice 6: regarding the groundwater sustainability project and from my understanding the second project

[1:46:53] Voice 6: under their inactive projects is the minister

[1:46:57] Voice 6: correct okay and so the ltc may want to think

[1:47:03] Voice 6: about future projects you may want to work on in terms of a minor project or a major project

[1:47:09] Voice 6: project there is a list on page 147 of the agenda of potential topics for future projects so it's

[1:47:18] Voice 6: worthwhile the ltc taking a look at that perhaps removing any or adding any you may see fit and

[1:47:25] Voice 6: um regional planning manager Robert kajima did at the last meeting put together a work program

[1:47:33] Voice 6: program report um so that's also useful to have you can take a look at and it outlined some options

[1:47:39] Voice 6: for the LTC to consider as well okay

[1:47:42] Voice 18: so just from a

[1:47:44] Voice 18: process standpoint um uh major projects are

[1:47:51] Voice 18: projects uh estimated at over five thousand dollars minor projects are five thousand or under

[1:48:00] Voice 18: and um and i'll look to the local trustees to see what uh to have a discussion about future

[1:48:10] Voice 18: projects when we've completed uh the groundwater sustainability can you just remind me again that

[1:48:16] Voice 18: the second one here you said there was that's in progress and it but it's targeted to be done at

[1:48:22] Voice 18: the end of march yes yeah

[1:48:24] Voice 6: we're still waiting for the minister to um assign the bylaws hopefully

[1:48:29] Voice 6: hopefully we'll get them back in march okay so

[1:48:32] Voice 15: that would be get off our

[1:48:33] Voice 18: list we could put it

[1:48:34] Voice 18: maybe

[1:48:34] Voice 15: off our list okay so both of our projects

[1:48:37] Voice 18: are likely to be gone off this list soon so yeah

[1:48:40] Voice 18: let's have a discussion about the the future projects and with uh you know in mind that that

[1:48:47] Voice 18: we have the ability to

[1:48:49] Voice 4: have one over five thousand and one hundred five thousand uh potentially

[1:48:54] Voice 4: I'm

[1:48:55] Voice 7: dealing with the the one that's out right now. This is not an easy decision to make.

[1:49:02] Voice 7: We're just spending money, but I do see the need in the community for OCP review.

[1:49:11] Voice 7: My suggestion would be as a project that we keep costs down,

[1:49:18] Voice 7: So maybe we activate the APC and we go to the community and ask them to identify the top five

[1:49:31] Voice 8: things in our community that they feel that we should be moving to the project.

[1:49:36] Voice 8: um there's

[1:49:40] Voice 7: a report at the december meeting from rock um that robert put together and

[1:49:47] Voice 7: it's called the galliano sorry yeah and in that report he actually suggested this

[1:49:55] Voice 7: that um the galena wife and planning commission requests recommendations for this minor major

[1:50:02] reach the project. I don't believe yes,

[1:50:05] Voice 4: I'm okay with that. I

[1:50:08] Voice 4: mean, I look at the list here. I know we were talking about the

[1:50:13] Voice 4: review of timelines and things and I have a funny feeling it's

[1:50:18] Voice 4: going to be on the list anyways. Right. So I think I think that's

[1:50:22] Voice 4: probably a good step for a list. I think we sort of provided last

[1:50:29] Voice 4: last meeting that we're sort of curtailed right now

[1:50:32] Voice 4: until we find out what the next trust council meeting,

[1:50:35] Voice 4: how it, you know, the financial part of it holds up,

[1:50:39] Voice 4: and whether we're gonna have any money for this year.

[1:50:43] Voice 4: And that's a possibility, right?

[1:50:44] Voice 4: So let's see what the ABC comes up with.

[1:50:49] Voice 4: I would look at this list and I still,

[1:50:52] Voice 4: I've got Wise Island on the list,

[1:50:54] Voice 4: but it's not just about Wise Island,

[1:50:56] Voice 4: it's about all the surrounding small islands,

[1:50:58] Voice 4: and some water access items that we have.

[1:51:01] Voice 4: So whether we want to talk about that now

[1:51:03] Voice 4: and pull it into this discussion

[1:51:05] Voice 4: or whether we want to just put that on the end

[1:51:08] Voice 4: where it comes up on the new business.

[1:51:11] Voice 4: Because I think it's a part of the project.

[1:51:13] Voice 4: I think the advocates or the Wise Island people

[1:51:16] Voice 4: have spoken about how we can do this

[1:51:19] Voice 4: probably more effectively.

[1:51:20] Voice 4: So we almost cut facing from other jurisdictions, right?

[1:51:25] Voice 4: And whether we can do that as a minor project

[1:51:27] Voice 4: Or a major problem.

[1:51:32] Voice 4: That's.

[1:51:37] Voice 4: So I hearing the consistency here

[1:51:39] Voice 18: that the trustees would like to consult with the ABC, I think that procedure early, we would ask to get a referral for them. Yes, that's correct.

[1:51:51] Voice 18: Okay, so we'll have to think about that.

[1:51:53] Voice 18: maybe

[1:51:54] Voice 15: one of you wants to start drafting or maybe one of you already passed and um

[1:52:00] Voice 15: awesome

[1:52:00] Voice 18: that's great and uh i just say from my perspective as uh

[1:52:05] Voice 4: as your new uh

[1:52:07] Voice 4: chair from another island i think that's a great approach um yeah

[1:52:13] Voice 18: so i'm supportive of the

[1:52:14] Voice 18: uh there there's a bunch of stuff on your list and honestly i i don't know what is the

[1:52:21] Voice 18: the community's priorities of this or other things on it so i'm i'm happy

[1:52:26] Voice 4: to entertain a motion on

[1:52:28] Voice 4: this

[1:52:28] Voice 7: great all right the galliano local trust committee requests staff to refer the work

[1:52:34] Voice 7: program review staff report dated december 5th 2022 to the galliano advisory planning commission

[1:52:41] Voice 7: i request recommendations for the next minor and or major project thank you

[1:52:51] Voice 18: um that's moved and seconded um sarah did you get that motion uh

[1:52:59] Voice 11: i've got part of it um you are

[1:53:03] Voice 11: referring this um future which which staff reports sorry okay

[1:53:09] Voice 18: i'll just i'll just ask

[1:53:10] Voice 18: the trustee to read it again and maybe a little bit slower okay thank you

[1:53:13] Voice 11: at

[1:53:15] Voice 7: the galliano island

[1:53:16] Voice 7: local trust committee request staff to refer the work program review staff reports dated december 5th

[1:53:25] Voice 7: uh 2022 to the galliano island advisory planning commission and request recommendations for the

[1:53:33] Voice 7: next minor and or major project okay i

[1:53:48] Voice 11: could read that back please

[1:53:49] Voice 9: that

[1:53:51] Voice 11: the galliano island

[1:53:53] Voice 11: Local Trust Committee request staff to refer work program review staff report dated December 5th, 2022 to the Galliano Island Advisory Planning Commission and request recommendations for the next minor and or major project.

[1:54:13] Voice 4: Wonderful. Okay, that's moved and seconded. Any further discussion on the motion? No.

[1:54:20] Voice 4: okay i'll go ahead and call the question all in favor and that motion is carried

[1:54:26] Voice 4: thank you very much and

[1:54:29] Voice 18: so that covers the work program reports

[1:54:33] Voice 4: um that

[1:54:37] Voice 18: brings us on to

[1:54:40] Voice 18: item 16.2 the application report dated january 2023 on page 149

[1:54:48] Voice 18: um

[1:54:50] Voice 4: any questions about any of these items from trustees no

[1:55:07] Voice 13: questions no

[1:55:08] Voice 18: questions okay well

[1:55:09] Voice 18: we'll receive that for information then

[1:55:11] Voice 13: and

[1:55:12] Voice 18: then that brings us to 16.3

[1:55:15] Voice 4: uh the trustee local

[1:55:18] Voice 4: expense report dated november 2023 any questions around that okay we'll receive that for information

[1:55:31] Voice 4: as well. 16.4, adopted policies and standing resolutions on page 158. Do you have anything

[1:55:40] Voice 4: on that? No, just

[1:55:42] Voice 4: that I have a standing motion too. That's going to come up under

[1:55:49] Voice 18: 17. The

[1:55:53] Voice 18: local trust committee webpage. Any questions, concerns around that? Okay. And then we have

[1:56:04] Voice 18: the island stress conservancy report dated november 2022. anything on that so then that

[1:56:15] Voice 4: does bring us to new business and at 17.1 we have the deferred enforcement on lawful dwellings and

[1:56:22] Voice 4: the staff report is turning on page 165.

[1:56:27] Voice 18: navigate there okay and i declare the bias on this okay

[1:56:32] Voice 18: Okay, and trustee Maybelline is going to recuse himself from this, and we'll just give them a moment to get outside. Okay, so we have a version of that report in it.

[1:56:55] Voice 18: Let

[1:56:57] Voice 4: me just see if I can go find a version with it.

[1:57:05] Voice 4: Do you have any thoughts on this or maybe we should hear from staff on this first. Yeah, is

[1:57:12] Voice 18: that Warren that's going to speak to this.

[1:57:17] Voice 12: yes chair i can speak to the uh i don't i can't get my video started unfortunately

[1:57:22] Voice 12: i can

[1:57:23] Voice 18: see it anyway so okay

[1:57:27] Voice 12: so chair there is a report that i prepared uh

[1:57:34] Voice 12: for the motion that was put forward by uh trustee maverly uh the report summary is that galliano

[1:57:42] Voice 12: has a limited number of files for unlawful dwellings and with no new files opened uh

[1:57:47] Voice 12: since 2020 but given there is a concern about a housing shortage within the islands trust areas

[1:57:53] Voice 12: as a whole it is recommended that an enforcement call is to see consistent with the majority of

[1:57:58] Voice 12: local trust areas be adopted by the galliana local trust committee so on december 15th trustee

[1:58:04] Voice 12: maverly put forward a motion that is essentially the same as that on main island uh where it says

[1:58:11] Voice 12: that enforcement should be deferred unless there's a complaint from an immediate neighbor

[1:58:15] Voice 12: or there's a referral from an agency responsible for health and safety issues that is doing

[1:58:19] Voice 12: concurrent enforcement. Galliano has 10 open files for unlawful dwellings with eight of those on

[1:58:27] Voice 12: forest one zone lots or F1 lots and two on rural residential lots and there being no new complaints

[1:58:33] Voice 12: or files open for unlawful dwelling since 2020. There is a concern in all of the local

[1:58:40] Voice 12: trust areas regarding housing and the lack of available rental units and the majority of local

[1:58:45] Voice 12: trust areas have now adopted policies regarding deferred enforcement on lawful dwellings

[1:58:51] Voice 12: the recommended policy has been adopted by multiple local trust committees and is providing

[1:58:56] Voice 12: clear guidance on how to work with community when it comes to complaints and prioritize

[1:59:01] Voice 12: on health and safety environmental concerns uh those most concerned about lawful dwellings are

[1:59:07] Voice 12: concerned about the impacts of sewage disposal and risk contamination of wells and environmentally

[1:59:12] Voice 12: sensitive areas adoption of the recommended policy would provide consistency for by-law

[1:59:18] Voice 12: staff and how to deal with these sensitive housing matters but it would also provide

[1:59:23] Voice 12: consistent messaging for residents of the the trust area as a whole so as an alternative

[1:59:30] Voice 12: trustee mayberry's motion is still there and available for the trust committee to consider

[1:59:35] Voice 12: But I put forward the recommended motion because this has been the most detailed and fleshed out on multiple local trust areas.

[1:59:47] Voice 12: And the motion that was adopted by Maine in a way can be very restrictive and limit what we can do.

[1:59:57] Voice 12: The majority of complaints that come in

[2:00:00] Voice 12: uh don't come from immediate neighbors at all and it actually can come in uh for members in

[2:00:06] Voice 12: the community or the neighborhood and not just the immediate neighbor and plus there's often

[2:00:13] Voice 12: it can be difficult to get uh enforcement uh to occur concurrently with other agencies they don't

[2:00:23] Voice 12: have the staff or maybe they're not concerned about issues in the gulf islands and so that

[2:00:29] Voice 12: can be a bit of a struggle sometimes to actually get the other uh agencies involved or concerned

[2:00:35] Voice 12: about some of these issues so without limiting what we do too much uh the recommended policy

[2:00:42] Voice 12: that you have is to adopt the one that is pretty much consistent with those from salt spring

[2:00:47] Voice 12: north pender and gabriola okay

[2:00:53] Voice 18: thank you uh chris capro all

[2:00:56] Voice 8: right um yes i've been thinking about

[2:00:59] Voice 8: this quite a bit. I think this motion, which is the same as Saterna made, it's different

[2:01:10] Voice 8: here at Galliano. I don't think that Galliano needs to follow what the other islands are

[2:01:16] Voice 8: doing. I don't think that's a good premise for making a decision. We need to be mindful

[2:01:21] Voice 8: of what our needs are.

[2:01:24] Voice 7: Our circumstances are different, especially with the history

[2:01:29] Voice 7: of a four-slot

[2:01:30] Voice 8: unlockable clause.

[2:01:32] Voice 8: A motion like this, I think,

[2:01:34] Voice 8: could cause or create a lot of animosity in the community.

[2:01:42] Voice 8: So I will be supporting the proposed motion.

[2:01:45] Voice 8: I do like the recommended motion

[2:01:48] Voice 7: that Lauren's put forward, too.

[2:01:51] Voice 7: I just would like to see something added to it

[2:01:54] Voice 7: to defer enforcement unlockable existing

[2:01:57] Voice 7: this day that

[2:02:00] Voice 8: um have a lot of rental housing if this motion the spirit of this motion is to solve

[2:02:06] Voice 8: the housing crisis if that needs to be yeah

[2:02:10] Voice 18: so you're you're talking about making it a bit more

[2:02:13] Voice 18: specific the the one of the things that i heard in the town hall earlier was um a consideration of

[2:02:24] Voice 18: excluding the forest zones from this motion um i'm not presupposing whether that's the right

[2:02:32] Voice 18: thing or not to do but i'm just mentioning that because i

[2:02:35] Voice 4: did hear that um so in terms

[2:02:39] Voice 18: of what we might approach today uh are you interested in maybe uh amending the recommended

[2:02:47] Voice 18: amended motion do you want to defer it and think about it a bit more

[2:02:51] Voice 4: um yeah

[2:02:54] Voice 7: my feeling is that

[2:02:56] Voice 7: staff time on this and if there's 10 applications or files open from my law enforcement right now

[2:03:03] Voice 8: i don't think it warrants enough uh staff time to actually move this board okay

[2:03:09] Voice 18: so you're you're

[2:03:10] Voice 18: not in in any president at

[2:03:12] Voice 8: some point okay

[2:03:15] Voice 18: i

[2:03:16] Voice 8: don't think that this is this is

[2:03:20] Voice 18: not the time

[2:03:21] Voice 18: fair

[2:03:21] Voice 8: enough

[2:03:22] Voice 18: yeah um yeah and based on that and based on some of the community concerns i heard

[2:03:28] Voice 18: that i'm tending to agree i

[2:03:29] Voice 4: think um i heard several people have some concerns about the

[2:03:36] Voice 4: the forest zone and and potential for maybe opening the door for some unlawful dwellings

[2:03:44] Voice 4: there so that that would be a concern i i would prefer to see addressed in any kind of motion like

[2:03:49] Voice 4: this

[2:03:49] Voice 9: so

[2:03:50] Voice 4: uh i guess given that neither of us are ready to make the motion we can yeah

[2:03:56] Voice 7: i just wanted

[2:03:56] Voice 7: to add that we have a

[2:03:57] Voice 7: standing resolution regarding awful land uses um and planning applications

[2:04:03] Voice 7: It's clear that unlawful use must cease before

[2:04:08] Voice 8: processing an application unless there's a community to proceed despite the unlawful use.

[2:04:14] Voice 8: And I think this motion would undermine that.

[2:04:16] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:04:18] Voice 18: And the one other note that I made for myself, based on what I heard in the town hall,

[2:04:25] Voice 18: um was there was uh at least one person uh suggesting that uh that the uh

[2:04:34] Voice 18: the short-term vacation rental issue might need to be addressed to effectively

[2:04:41] Voice 18: uh improve the housing situation um galliano so that may be uh an avenue to to look at as well

[2:04:49] Voice 18: all right well given that neither was there prepared to make this motion at this moment

[2:04:54] Voice 18: We'll defer this, and I think we can call Trustee Maberly back in, and he's got a couple

[2:05:11] Voice 18: of other items there.

[2:05:14] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:05:16] Voice 4: Trustee Maberly has returned to the meeting now, and so there's three items from you in

[2:05:25] Voice 4: in a few different sections, sir.

[2:05:26] Voice 4: And the first one I've got is a notice of motion

[2:05:30] Voice 4: on T019-053, I believe.

[2:05:45] Voice 4: Okay, so, you know, as a trustee,

[2:05:49] Voice 4: I sort of, you know, one of the jobs

[2:05:51] Voice 4: is to go through the standing resolutions

[2:05:53] Voice 4: and to see if they're reflective of,

[2:05:56] Voice 4: not only the two trustees, but reflective of the environment

[2:06:01] Voice 4: that we're living in now.

[2:06:04] Voice 4: standing resolution three zero one nine zero dash three talks about reconciliation

[2:06:10] Voice 4: but i don't think it accurate accurately reflects the um the situation on galliano island

[2:06:17] Voice 4: as we know there are a lot of families that live on galliano that have been here since time immemorial

[2:06:26] Voice 4: they haven't physically lived on the

[2:06:28] Voice 4: island galliano and salt spring are kind of unique

[2:06:30] in

[2:06:30] Voice 4: that way and that they have long-standing families that have been here for a long time

[2:06:36] Voice 4: but haven't been recognized by a nation and so for me um the standing resolution should reflect

[2:06:47] Voice 4: you know what what's happening right now so i'll read it out um because i guess i should do that

[2:06:53] Voice 4: it's a note of notice of motion to replace standing resolution two zero one nine zero five

[2:07:00] Voice 4: 3 standing with notice of motion for standing resolution that the local trust committee seek

[2:07:07] Voice 4: to engage in reconciliation with local first nations governments and island community by

[2:07:13] Voice 4: honoring the truth and reconciliation commission prc calls to action the united nations declaration

[2:07:19] Voice 4: on rights of indigenous peoples under draft principles that guide the province of british

[2:07:25] Voice 4: on this relationship with indigenous people and islands trust first nations engagement principles

[2:07:32] Voice 4: the local trust committee endeavors to annually write a letter to all of the first nations

[2:07:38] Voice 4: organizations introducing trustee staff and provide a schedule of known local trust committee

[2:07:44] Voice 4: meetings for the upcoming year as well as provide an update of current projects and

[2:07:50] Voice 4: advocacy activities for all local trust committee meetings invite local first nations to attend

[2:07:57] Voice 4: meetings as well as to provide nutritional welcome to their territories if they would like

[2:08:03] Voice 4: so that's a change from before it was they may invite and some changes as we will invite work

[2:08:11] Voice 4: with local first nations governments and organizations on cooperative initiatives

[2:08:16] Voice 4: including but not limited to language place names territorial acknowledgements

[2:08:21] Voice 4: and community education on Coast Salish and local First Nations cultures and cultural heritage and

[2:08:28] Voice 4: history. The difference there is I've added local organizations, local First Nations organizations

[2:08:34] Voice 4: to the standing resolution. Work with local First Nation governments and organizations

[2:08:41] Voice 4: on engagement principles for inclusive land use, marine use, and climate change planning,

[2:08:46] Voice 4: advocacy, protection and stewardship, and knowledge and information sharing protocols.

[2:08:53] Voice 4: Establish and maintain dialogue with local First Nations and organizations, now and into the future, based on respect and recognition of Aboriginal rights and titles, treaty rights, traditional rights, and First Nations traditional territories within the trust area.

[2:09:09] Voice 4: And direct staff not to take enforcement action against any Indigenous peoples in regards to their traditional inherent rights.

[2:09:19] Voice 4: So that's the standing resolution.

[2:09:22] Voice 4: motion okay and

[2:09:23] Voice 18: this is a notice of motion so yeah okay so and provided copy to staff so that

[2:09:31] Voice 18: we can get to where it needs to get in terms of staff um thank you for that and seems very

[2:09:41] Voice 18: very good i appreciate that um so then uh you have to have an item on wise island but this is just a

[2:09:54] Voice 18: the discussion,

[2:09:55] Voice 4: right? Yeah, I think so. For now, I mean, my

[2:09:59] Voice 4: part of those correspondence we got in this last month was from

[2:10:02] Voice 4: Wise Island. So appreciate the engagement. And, and quite

[2:10:09] Voice 4: frankly, this is not just a Wise Island problem. All of the

[2:10:13] Voice 4: local small water access on the island here are being governed

[2:10:19] Voice 4: by shoreline setbacks regulations that are not reflective of their situation but are reflective

[2:10:27] Voice 4: of an island that has a ferry and roads and access to people's property um except maybe

[2:10:34] Voice 4: fill more point right that's that's the one place so um so this is why i asked in the projects like

[2:10:42] Voice 4: um you know do we put do we how do we how do we do something here that's fair to um

[2:10:51] Voice 4: you know the boat access people and um and how do we move forward on the project you know because

[2:10:59] Voice 4: we don't have uh clarity we don't have any money um so what i'd like to see us do is is

[2:11:07] Voice 4: um have staff um look into do and we'll do the same look into the the um regular or the

[2:11:15] Voice 4: the bylaws on on the islands that you referred to in gambier and house on those islands and see what

[2:11:21] Voice 4: their their um regulations say right now and whether we can just adopt something that's

[2:11:29] Voice 4: already sort of cut and paste which makes our life easy and staff's life easy and um

[2:11:35] Voice 4: and the other thing is you know i i think there might be a motion here because

[2:11:40] Voice 4: if if we're trying to regulate places that don't have um the opportunity in essence to comply

[2:11:51] Voice 4: comply with the regulations that's meant for a large island that has access, I don't think

[2:11:57] Voice 4: we should be enforcing a bylaw or enforcing action against things in the insurances that

[2:12:08] Voice 4: clearly limit the ability of these people to access their homes.

[2:12:14] Voice 4: So I think, you know, my discussion point is, I think we need to find a fair solution

[2:12:20] Voice 4: for them.

[2:12:21] Voice 4: um and i think we need to in light of that because we know it's constrained um

[2:12:28] Voice 4: can we find an interim solution that at least gives them time to

[2:12:32] Voice 4: work with us and find regulations that are more appropriate for their situation

[2:12:40] Voice 5: It's interesting to see what you have to say on that.

[2:12:46] Voice 7: Yeah, I don't know what I think on that. I don't know that YLOC,

[2:12:50] Voice 7: I'm not sure if YLOC is going to

[2:12:58] Voice 4: fix the problem.

[2:12:59] Voice 4: I'm worried it's not going to fix the problem.

[2:13:01] Voice 4: Yeah, it's going to be

[2:13:02] Voice 8: hesitant without a lot of conversations

[2:13:07] Voice 7: that come that way

[2:13:09] Voice 7: by curving a certain problem with them

[2:13:13] Voice 7: by using bottom-up question on it.

[2:13:15] Voice 7: I don't know that that works.

[2:13:16] Voice 7: And I don't know that it's a good model for our pilot.

[2:13:25] Voice 7: I do read, I've read the correspondence.

[2:13:27] Voice 7: There is something there.

[2:13:29] Voice 7: I would definitely favor looking,

[2:13:31] Voice 7: like you said, looking for another type of solution for them.

[2:13:36] Voice 4: Right.

[2:13:37] Voice 4: So my question is,

[2:13:45] Voice 4: And here we're going to be, you know, months, months, months down the road, at what point

[2:13:51] Voice 4: do we have a solution for them?

[2:13:52] Voice 4: And if we don't have a solution for them, we don't have a decent expectation of solution,

[2:13:57] Voice 4: then then why are we enforcing?

[2:14:01] Voice 4: Why are we enforcing on something when we know we need to have a solution to?

[2:14:08] Voice 4: I

[2:14:09] Voice 5: mean, if we're

[2:14:09] Voice 4: telling them that the current situation is not a solution, and we're restricted

[2:14:17] Voice 4: in finally being able to find a solution and I

[2:14:22] Voice 7: don't think we're restricted okay.

[2:14:28] I wouldn't even know how to start with the um how

[2:14:32] Voice 7: to transfer your OCP or to make their

[2:14:36] Voice 7: assimilate another on the ocp into there yeah what

[2:14:39] Voice 18: i

[2:14:41] Voice 7: was going to suggest is that

[2:14:43] Voice 18: we might

[2:14:43] Voice 18: ask staff some questions to get some clarity um as i understand it so that the wise island and

[2:14:51] Voice 18: these other islands associated uh similar islands are all covered in the in the galiano ocp and lub

[2:14:58] Voice 18: So, I mean, I guess the first question that occurs to me is, I know on some local trust

[2:15:07] Voice 18: areas there are more than one OCP and more than one LUB within that local trust area.

[2:15:14] Voice 18: It occurs to me that that might be a fairly significant amount of work to accomplish it

[2:15:21] Voice 18: through that mechanism, but I'm wondering if you can tell us if you can think of any

[2:15:28] Voice 18: other

[2:15:29] Voice 6: mechanisms that are

[2:15:30] Voice 18: a little less absolutely

[2:15:31] Voice 6: large so the wise island bylaw review is on um the

[2:15:35] Voice 6: future project list so it could be a future project and it would be considered a minor

[2:15:40] Voice 6: project that could potentially be done within about a year and it'd be under five thousand

[2:15:44] Voice 6: dollars it would involve amending the land the current land use bylaw and maybe some ocp policies

[2:15:51] Voice 6: but what i would imagine is that you would and then the current galliano island land use bylaw

[2:15:57] Voice 6: and have site-specific zoning for Wise Island, potentially Parker Island and Gossip Island

[2:16:03] Voice 6: or some of the smaller islands around Galliano.

[2:16:07] Voice 6: So I'm not sure.

[2:16:09] Voice 6: I wouldn't do a whole new official community plan for Wise Island or the associated islands.

[2:16:16] Voice 6: I would just say amend the policies in the current OCP if necessary.

[2:16:22] Voice 6: But this is something, this could be definitely a minor project that staff could work on.

[2:16:26] Voice 6: it may flag or I could flag that to the APC that's certainly an item that you're very much

[2:16:31] Voice 6: interested in but we have to

[2:16:34] Voice 6: wait until the groundwater sustainably sustainability project

[2:16:37] Voice 6: or those three um the other project with the three bylaws come back before we can start um

[2:16:45] Voice 6: yeah so that's where I'm going to leave it right now so it'd be considered a minor project

[2:16:50] Voice 18: okay thank you for that um anything further on this

[2:16:54] Voice 4: today well i mean i just sort of

[2:16:59] Voice 4: reflect my concerns that if we don't see if we can't reassure people that we have a solution

[2:17:08] Voice 4: then we need to be we need to think about other things that we can do with them right

[2:17:13] Voice 4: um so i'm i'm trying to move this down the road a bit i really want to see go to trust

[2:17:18] Voice 4: council see what's our finances see if we have we get anything and um and it's good to hear that

[2:17:24] Voice 4: this is a minor project and um and could be dealt with i mean a year's not a short period of time

[2:17:31] Voice 4: but it's it's not the end of the world either it's quick and low yeah right so um so i think

[2:17:39] Voice 4: it's good that we've addressed this we've flagged it and um and we will put it to the agency to

[2:17:46] Voice 4: to um let them know that this is one of our yeah yeah yeah

[2:17:51] Voice 5: so

[2:17:52] Voice 4: we've heard

[2:17:53] Voice 18: from staff that they're

[2:17:54] Voice 18: gonna yeah um certainly flag that for them with the apc referral yeah um okay we have one more

[2:18:02] Voice 4: item under the new business here and that's you again trustee neighbourly yes so i've received

[2:18:08] Voice 4: the letter from dave mod um from trust council and um so i'll just read what i what i got from him

[2:18:16] Voice 4: there have been ongoing concerns with regard to crd building inspection the timing is cost

[2:18:22] Voice 4: of inspections permit issuance and barriers these might present to enable economical and creative

[2:18:28] Voice 4: housing solutions there is a potential that a crd with could withdraw a building inspection

[2:18:34] Voice 4: section, which couldn't be replaced with siting and use permits. And similar to arm gun. This

[2:18:41] Voice 4: would this would undertaking this undertaking would involve a full public process both by the

[2:18:49] Voice 4: trust and the CRD that likely would take some time to accomplish. So he's asking for support on a

[2:18:56] Voice 4: motion that remain on an LTC request mod to rights to turn LTC, South Pender, LTC, Galleon,

[2:19:02] Voice 4: and lgc north pender lbc to request their thoughts on the mail and lgc to ask crd to

[2:19:08] Voice 4: identify interests in implementing citing abuse permits in the event that crd should discontinue

[2:19:13] Voice 4: the use of building permits so i think there's merit in this i think you look at it um it's

[2:19:20] Voice 4: obviously a long-term project right but i think there's there's it's worth investigating if the

[2:19:27] Voice 4: crd if this has been brought to the crd i think there's there's merit right never hurts to look

[2:19:33] Voice 4: at things seriously enough right um so um i think i guess pretty much i would like to make a motion

[2:19:45] Voice 4: identify interest in implementing citing these permits in the event that crd should discontinue

[2:19:58] Voice 4: these ability firms no

[2:20:00] Voice 7: stop building permits in syria that's

[2:20:04] Voice 12: what i don't think i think i think

[2:20:07] Voice 12: this is a this is this is not unusual in many places

[2:20:12] Voice 7: but

[2:20:14] Voice 4: it's an option i mean one thing that

[2:20:18] Voice 4: we do know is um if you're going through the building permit process and you're having to

[2:20:24] Voice 4: close to all that it's a very costly time consuming and not really um sort of conducive to

[2:20:31] Voice 18: affordability

[2:20:32] Voice 10: okay

[2:20:33] Voice 18: so i'm just gonna stop you for a moment

[2:20:34] Voice 18: let's let's see how much the minute

[2:20:37] Voice 18: taker got of your motion and let's let's get that motion clear and then we'll see if there's a

[2:20:43] Voice 18: second there and then uh sarah thank

[2:20:48] Voice 11: you chair could you please uh repeat the motion and uh i'm

[2:20:52] Voice 11: not that fast at typing oh

[2:20:55] Voice 4: sorry um that the galliano ltc galliano island ltc asked crd

[2:21:03] Voice 4: to identify interest in implementing implementing citing and use permits

[2:21:08] Voice 4: implementing

[2:21:09] Voice 11: citing and uses use

[2:21:14] Voice 4: firms use

[2:21:16] Voice 11: permits okay in the event

[2:21:19] Voice 4: Now, the CRD should discontinue the use of building permits.

[2:21:26] Voice 10: Oh,

[2:21:31] Voice 11: thank you. I can read that back.

[2:21:33] Voice 18: Please do.

[2:21:34] Voice 11: The Galliano Island Local Trust Committee asked the CRD to identify interests in implementing,

[2:21:42] Voice 11: siting, and use permits in the event the CRD should discontinue the use of building permits.

[2:21:51] Voice 18: That's your motion.

[2:21:54] Voice 18: okay so uh so i see a second for this motion

[2:21:58] Voice 18: i

[2:22:00] Voice 7: think wow i i i think this is a an interesting idea for sure there's a lot of tension

[2:22:16] Voice 8: there's something wrong there something needs to be addressed uh i don't know if this is the

[2:22:21] Voice 8: way to do it um

[2:22:22] Voice 7: i would like to hear comments from the executive committee as well and from

[2:22:31] Voice 7: director brent

[2:22:32] Voice 8: before making further call yeah

[2:22:36] Voice 18: um i definitely agree that uh i'm not i'm not

[2:22:42] Voice 18: clear enough about what the position of the crd is on this uh are they thinking of imminently

[2:22:50] Voice 18: changing the regime um and and so i would tend to agree i in fact if if director brett was here

[2:22:57] Voice 18: today and put him on the spot and get some information from him that way but uh um yeah

[2:23:06] Voice 18: i don't feel like there's enough information at this this moment um

[2:23:10] Voice 4: yeah

[2:23:12] Voice 18: okay so that's uh

[2:23:16] Voice 4: and and of course as we if we get some more information we can always bring this back

[2:23:21] Voice 4: yeah well i'm sure i'm sure because it's coming from the executive committee or one of the

[2:23:25] Voice 4: executives yeah

[2:23:27] Voice 18: i

[2:23:28] Voice 4: can tell you that it hasn't actually been uh through executive committee

[2:23:33] Voice 4: at this point yeah right yeah so oh this is definitely not something that's happening

[2:23:37] Voice 4: tomorrow yeah it'll be well after rise island yeah yeah

[2:23:41] Voice 4: okay as we deal

[2:23:42] Voice 8: with the building

[2:23:43] Voice 8: for the

[2:23:43] Voice 7: process with

[2:23:45] Voice 14: the CRD.

[2:23:47] Voice 4: Right. Yeah. Okay.

[2:23:49] Voice 4: Most

[2:23:49] Voice 14: direct beneficiary.

[2:23:51] Voice 14: Yeah. I

[2:23:51] Voice 4: think what this is coming out of is exactly what you're talking about.

[2:23:56] Voice 4: There's obviously some dysfunction within the CRD building permit process,

[2:24:03] Voice 4: and I think people are looking for ways to get that conversation going and see why there's a

[2:24:11] Voice 4: solution yeah

[2:24:12] Voice 10: okay

[2:24:15] Voice 4: yeah all right well we're coming close to the end of our agenda then uh

[2:24:21] Voice 18: i

[2:24:21] Voice 6: just wanted uh to see maybe in terms of the notice of the standing replacing the standing

[2:24:31] Voice 6: resolution did you want this place on the next agenda for further consideration

[2:24:36] Voice 4: yes okay it's just a notice of motion okay great

[2:24:39] Voice 4: emotion on the next agenda wonderful

[2:24:41] Voice 6: Wonderful. Just wanted to make sure.

[2:24:42] Voice 4: Great. Thanks for that.

[2:24:43] Voice 4: So we'll look at it.

[2:24:46] Voice 4: Yep.

[2:24:48] Voice 4: So under the upcoming meetings,

[2:24:50] Voice 4: I'll just throw this out there for discussion.

[2:24:55] Voice 18: And I was going to ask some advice from locals here

[2:25:01] Voice 18: about the timing of the ferries.

[2:25:04] Voice 18: I know that my first meeting here in December,

[2:25:07] Voice 18: uh the ferry did not arrive on schedule and we started our meeting closer to one o'clock

[2:25:15] Voice 18: and um it just occurred to me that if that's uh kind of a regular occurrence it might make

[2:25:22] Voice 18: more sense to schedule the start of our meetings a little bit more realistic time

[2:25:28] Voice 18: in terms of uh myself i'm usually going to be catching the 8 15. i guess staff you would

[2:25:36] Voice 18: usually be catching the 6 15 or six it's

[2:25:40] Voice 6: the nine ten oh sorry yes yes so

[2:25:43] Voice 6: if

[2:25:45] Voice 18: we just agreed to

[2:25:49] Voice 18: push our start time back a little bit to something that more achievable on a regular basis

[2:25:55] Voice 18: it doesn't seem to have any real implications for anyone's travel um yeah

[2:26:05] Voice 4: I

[2:26:05] Voice 15: just hate the idea of feeling like I'm late every time or every other time when it's nothing

[2:26:11] Voice 4: to do with me. Yeah, for me, I was just sitting at home on the thing watching for your boat.

[2:26:17] Voice 4: Watching the boat?

[2:26:18] Voice 4: Okay, yeah. Oh, there's not enough time today, yeah. Okay, so.

[2:26:23] Voice 15: Especially

[2:26:24] Voice 6: for those meetings for the North Hall in the summer, we had that

[2:26:27] Voice 6: time to drive up.

[2:26:28] Voice 6: this

[2:26:28] Voice 18: yeah and then that those meetings we might want to push the start time back even a little

[2:26:32] Voice 18: bit more so should we just uh do

[2:26:35] Voice 6: a one o'clock start for all the meetings we'll see how that

[2:26:37] Voice 18: goes we'll one o'clock start and then then we're actually closer to meeting expectations that we're

[2:26:42] Voice 18: setting up for ourselves i prefer that um all right with that we have another town hall opportunity

[2:26:51] Voice 18: opportunity here um I know there's a bunch of well yes sir

[2:27:14] I'm on emergency road access from the north end

[2:27:18] where I live, Central Island,

[2:27:20] Voice 4: it's a case of a fire, and obviously

[2:27:23] Voice 4: it's more and more possible

[2:27:24] to have that happen.

[2:27:26] In the old days, we used to go on

[2:27:28] Voice 4: the South End Road, it was right down the

[2:27:30] Voice 4: side, I guess the South End

[2:27:32] Voice 4: of the island, or whatever you want to call it.

[2:27:35] Voice 4: And we actually,

[2:27:36] Voice 4: on our property, we just made that.

[2:27:38] Voice 4: We actually had an access

[2:27:39] Voice 4: to the manor,

[2:27:42] and then the owner of that property

[2:27:45] dug that whole road

[2:27:47] line up right so that one was gone and

[2:27:50] Voice 4: then our other neighbor um i get there he's got a gate

[2:27:58] Voice 4: so i was on the transportation committee for another year the advisory

[2:28:05] Voice 4: yes you can have a gate but you put a sign on there where you see this only and to see how that

[2:28:12] Voice 4: work if the community actually respected that right we thought it was a reasonable solution

[2:28:24] so in my retirement

[2:28:26] Voice 4: one of my projects is to go after the religious government to try and open

[2:28:30] Voice 4: up that road and we talked about the maintenance some of the minimal maintenance from that

[2:28:36] Voice 4: to be done without us. This is worked out easily. So I'm

[2:28:41] Voice 4: asking the trustee in my, my to do this.

[2:28:46] Voice 4: I'm trying to push you. It's really, you know,

[2:28:55] Voice 4: also, you live there, you have three people. And if we're

[2:29:01] Voice 4: trapped, and there was a fire, there was a fire down on

[2:29:04] Voice 4: on Janet Wright there, it could easily have swept up the roads and we'd be trapped personally.

[2:29:09] Voice 4: Plus even old people with an orphanage, big fire in the middle of the 20 past, we screwed them.

[2:29:18] So I always wanted to trust that it could be right in their support at some point,

[2:29:23] discuss that with themselves. I think it's an important thing to do to this island.

[2:29:29] I have a couple comments on that.

[2:29:33] I couldn't agree more.

[2:29:34] I mean,

[2:29:35] Voice 4: I was the one who sat down with Brett Stephens and the CRD and worked out the emergency access to their property from a couple of different directions.

[2:29:45] Voice 4: And I think it's work that not only should be done, but needs to be done.

[2:29:51] Voice 4: And I agree with you.

[2:29:53] Voice 4: I mean, there was one time when the haul road, the old haul road, was the emergency access.

[2:29:58] Voice 4: We're going our own way.

[2:30:00] Voice 4: two roads that went full length of this island.

[2:30:04] So yeah, I think whatever we can do to support that

[2:30:07] initiative, I think we should do.

[2:30:09] Yeah, it's something, you know,

[2:30:11] like what's on my hand,

[2:30:12] you know, I'm retired, and I thought,

[2:30:14] that's what I was doing, and I didn't do everything.

[2:30:18] You know, it's a very organic community,

[2:30:20] in a sense, we knew we could get away easily.

[2:30:25] I would try to get away in certain situations,

[2:30:27] some chainsaws or whatever but it should be set up properly yeah i agree and i don't know how you can

[2:30:34] enforce

[2:30:35] Voice 4: the force of course go along with that at some point well i don't think you can force

[2:30:40] Voice 4: anything to do anything but i think that you know there's something there's a need for cooperation

[2:30:45] Voice 4: i think it needs to be addressed

[2:30:57] Voice 4: that happen

[2:30:58] Voice 10: okay thank

[2:30:59] Voice 4: you yes sir

[2:31:03] Voice 4: i sat on the north california fire committee and then commission

[2:31:15] Voice 4: and uh at one time we had keys to every one of those gates that we tom darby and myself

[2:31:22] Voice 4: myself, personally negotiated with those landowners, but this LPC and the landowners have never

[2:31:36] Voice 4: come to any meeting of the minds and those landowners feel aggrieved and nothing less

[2:31:46] Voice 4: and expropriation would likely succeed.

[2:31:54] Voice 4: And that would be the, and I'll tell you,

[2:31:58] Voice 4: we've talked to the highways

[2:32:01] Voice 4: and they have no interest in opening that road.

[2:32:09] Voice 4: And I think the way to,

[2:32:19] Voice 4: to get that road open or get the gates open is to address those four slots grievances and this

[2:32:31] Voice 4: committee has never saw fit to do that until they do that

[2:32:40] Voice 4: okay this is just uh this from wise island i'm just looking to comment about the

[2:32:46] Voice 4: statement uh from trustee dapper about uh suspending bylaw enforcement

[2:32:52] Voice 4: i was just specifically asking for bio-enforcement to be suspended on solar panel setbacks which are

[2:32:59] Voice 4: vital to our properties uh small decks which are for our fire pumps and stairs that was all

[2:33:05] Voice 4: i was asking for suspension of everything else is very big that's all i just like to clarify that

[2:33:13] Voice 4: thank you

[2:33:14] Voice 18: uh sandy yeah

[2:33:18] Voice 8: i'm wondering if it's possible for

[2:33:20] Voice 8: but obviously it seems to me that there's a lot of people on the life island who have a good idea of what

[2:33:25] Voice 4: they need and that

[2:33:27] Voice 4: uh it is possible i think to be able to see this

[2:33:45] what you're

[2:33:46] Voice 18: saying is that uh we could uh we could appoint or we could establish a special

[2:33:57] Voice 18: uh apc for wise island to and maybe uh ask for wise islanders to be

[2:34:04] Voice 18: uh

[2:34:05] Voice 7: yeah

[2:34:09] Voice 18: i mean we could certainly we can certainly see what about having a special

[2:34:12] Voice 18: meeting to discuss that that idea in a little bit more depth i don't think we're going to be

[2:34:16] Voice 18: prepared to to do that today um

[2:34:20] Voice 4: but we could uh we could certainly request uh staff to work with us

[2:34:26] Voice 4: also doing a special meeting for that specific purpose and maybe around that we can always ask

[2:34:33] Voice 6: for staff to come back with um enforcement options for wise island considering there has been some

[2:34:43] Voice 6: enforcement files and i believe we're dealing with variance permits so we could ask perhaps

[2:34:48] Voice 6: warren to come back with some options for the ltc to consider yeah that's a very good

[2:34:53] Voice 6: to maybe halt enforcement until wise island becomes a project perhaps

[2:35:01] Voice 4: right and then it could be as specific as we want it to be i need to find that in that request

[2:35:08] Voice 4: and

[2:35:09] Voice 6: that should be

[2:35:10] Voice 10: by resolution just

[2:35:11] Voice 6: requesting staff to come back with

[2:35:13] Voice 5: enforcement options

[2:35:15] Voice 6: for wise island halting enforcement so

[2:35:20] Voice 4: justin if anyone wants to make their get their pen moving

[2:35:24] Voice 4: and then

[2:35:25] Voice 15: I'll go back to the town hall session here. Sandy, do you have something more?

[2:35:35] Yeah, I just wanted to let people know that Jeff

[2:35:39] Voice 4: was talking about his two reports many

[2:35:51] Voice 4: years ago when they worked together for seven years coming up with a plan because when when

[2:35:57] Voice 4: that much of the

[2:35:57] Voice 8: island was thrown into the real estate market unplanned infrastructure

[2:36:01] Voice 8: and that these two reports were excellent and have you know have been lost from you

[2:36:16] Voice 8: i think they should be revived i think that the trustees should know about them

[2:36:21] Voice 8: And

[2:36:21] Voice 4: emergency access is important, and it has to go with rezoning, and without fighting tooth and

[2:36:27] Voice 4: nail for any kind of concession from the local trust committee

[2:36:31] Voice 8: when the zoning application comes up, you'll get nothing.

[2:36:35] Voice 8: And, you know, it's important to understand the history of the island, and how it's developed, and how that large section of land had to be planned, and there was a plan.

[2:36:45] Voice 8: And, you know, and I'm really sorry that it's so

[2:36:50] Voice 4: full of conflict, but that's the way it has become, and I don't know how we'll fix that. I don't think we need to.

[2:37:03] Voice 4: Thank you. Yes, sir.

[2:37:05] Voice 4: Alex, if you have a committee like that, if you have representatives of the Forest Law, I wonder what's up in that committee.

[2:37:19] Voice 16: I'm on the east side of the road, and I'm in total agreement with previous comments

[2:37:24] Voice 16: that this needs to be opened, and it's been closed for many years.

[2:37:29] Voice 16: Back when we had our last OCP review, I was on the Transportation Advisory Committee,

[2:37:35] Voice 16: and I went to talk to the forest owners along that stretch of road, and I said,

[2:37:41] Voice 16: why don't you guys write a letter to the trust suggesting that you be allowed to have a legal

[2:37:49] Voice 16: home on your property and and that you will be willing to sell the loan allowance which is about

[2:37:57] Voice 16: 30 acres of land altogether for the fair market value of the land uh to the ministry of highways

[2:38:04] Voice 16: i went to see our mla and i said why don't you get this moving he said oh i don't think minister

[2:38:09] Voice 16: your heart wants to do that and i said well wait a minute we need a pipe we have to pull light

[2:38:12] Voice 16: through this island this is the right alignment for a lightweight and he said oh i think we could

[2:38:17] Voice 16: do it but it didn't happen because we were stuck and where the trust was that these owners could

[2:38:24] Voice 16: not have building rights unless among other things they donated the road allowance and and you're not

[2:38:32] Voice 16: allowed to you're not required to donate road allowances unless

[2:38:35] Voice 1: you're going to subdivisions

[2:38:37] Voice 16: so we had something that was off-key and it's been stuck and i believe this is an example of

[2:38:44] Voice 16: the kind of situation that can be resolved in the spirit of mutual generosity the owners did

[2:38:51] Voice 16: find later saying they would they would they would be happy to for this room to become a public room

[2:38:56] Voice 16: but they didn't want to actually under portion so they had a few acres thanks yes

[2:39:06] Voice 8: um i just wanted

[2:39:08] Voice 8: to send a support to why is that exactly

[2:39:12] Voice 7: having

[2:39:13] Voice 8: lived on a reserve and uh people what

[2:39:17] Voice 14: to do you

[2:39:17] Voice 14: know like it doesn't feel good so um anyways i want to speak to the uh resolution that was put

[2:39:24] Voice 8: and the inclusion of Indigenous and the changing the words to

[2:39:32] Voice 9: include Indigenous people.

[2:39:34] Voice 9: I've been part of this island, this family,

[2:39:40] Voice 8: for 36 years and so the history of this island,

[2:39:46] Voice 8: in order to get my Uncle Charlie's status, I had to do research and I found Indigenous lineage

[2:39:53] Voice 8: all for nine generations on this island that have lived here before the

[2:40:01] Voice 6: Indian Act, before

[2:40:02] Voice 6: BC was a province, before Canada was a country, definitely before the Islands Trust.

[2:40:10] Voice 6: When I first came to the island, I started society. We started a

[2:40:14] Voice 8: society for one reason,

[2:40:16] Voice 8: just because we were, just like the lands that are happening with Mother Nature, our

[2:40:22] Voice 8: our identity was eroding, eroding fast.

[2:40:26] Voice 8: So when I talked to the elders, one of which was Charlie,

[2:40:30] Voice 8: he told

[2:40:31] Voice 7: me about the history

[2:40:31] Voice 7: and we started doing research and we found that

[2:40:35] Voice 8: this family had always

[2:40:36] Voice 6: lived on this island before.

[2:40:38] Voice 6: As a matter of fact, Henry Scottie Jorgensen

[2:40:41] Voice 6: and his wife, Sarah Joneo, he was

[2:40:45] Voice 8: the first settler

[2:40:46] Voice 8: to bring an indigenous woman onto this land.

[2:40:49] Voice 8: so henry jurors is our direct we're descended directly from henry jurors and scotty jurors

[2:40:57] Voice 8: and sarah and then they had five children and the first of those had attention that's how we all

[2:41:03] Voice 8: came to be on the side so imagine how you know this family has felt where they were taken off

[2:41:13] Voice 8: the cemetery committee when that used to be jerks imagine how we felt when we couldn't even put our

[2:41:21] Voice 8: uncle in that property because of the church telling us we can't put him there so we couldn't

[2:41:28] Voice 8: put him there we can't put it it was donated by his great great great grandfather to the people

[2:41:37] Voice 9: look at them and we can't put them there imagine

[2:41:42] Voice 8: how we felt when there was a committee formed to

[2:41:47] Voice 8: talk about an ocp that happened when island trust came together and then when i first read the

[2:41:54] Voice 8: bylaws or the the the act the society act or the island trust act there was one line that

[2:42:03] Voice 8: mentioned indigenous people

[2:42:04] Voice 6: because

[2:42:05] Voice 8: that they would

[2:42:05] Voice 6: they would respect indigenous people and

[2:42:08] Voice 6: that was it. But we've always been here.

[2:42:11] Voice 8: And it's nice. And

[2:42:13] Voice 8: it's nice to see a document that will fully see us as we are as

[2:42:17] Voice 8: human beings. So I want to speak to that. You know, challenge you

[2:42:22] Voice 8: to change the status quo, to see us as humans to see us as viable

[2:42:27] Voice 8: players to see us as people who are continuing to live on here.

[2:42:31] Voice 8: Now we have status Indians who should have had status Indians

[2:42:34] Voice 8: are recognized as

[2:42:37] Voice 6: status Indians and they should have been all along they the ancestors have been

[2:42:42] Voice 6: deemed to by the federal government

[2:42:44] Voice 8: we are recognized by the federal government we are

[2:42:47] Voice 8: working on you know our rights we have fishing rights we have hunting rights all of that the

[2:42:51] Voice 8: only thing that we don't have is we don't have a band and that has been

[2:42:55] Voice 7: it's just the government

[2:42:57] Voice 7: you

[2:42:58] Voice 6: know trying to make us go away but we're not going to go away obviously we just had our

[2:43:04] Voice 6: 10th generation does not so we're still growing and we're going to continue to be here so i wanted

[2:43:10] Voice 6: to speak to that and to thank the trust for the consideration and time for

[2:43:16] Voice 8: that motion to review

[2:43:18] Voice 8: that motion and then put some action to you know uh and the trc it's laid out for you

[2:43:29] Voice 8: the mountain is there and it showed me the path i just have to find it

[2:43:41] Voice 3: yes we just uh kind of want to raise this but the the application that we've sent to

[2:43:48] Voice 3: uh to public hearing um i think that you might want to have a look at uh as you prepare for it

[2:44:01] Voice 3: the water that's been proven at that property.

[2:44:08] Voice 3: The Galeano subdivision by-law requires

[2:44:12] Voice 3: every dwelling that's created as a result of subdivision.

[2:44:18] Voice 3: I believe it says to have proven at least 2,275 gallons of water per day.

[2:44:28] Voice 3: um and i think it's being changed in the new water sustainability um by law i think it's

[2:44:34] Voice 3: proposed to go to 2000. yeah either 2000 or 2275 that calculation wasn't used in determining in

[2:44:42] Voice 3: the water management plan uh that number was not was not used in fact there's you know there are

[2:44:51] Voice 3: there are attempts in the course of developing pushing this moving this file off through the

[2:44:56] Voice 3: processes that um the claim was that this is not really a house it's not a real house

[2:45:04] Voice 3: it's a caretaker a caretaker lodging um which will have two people in it but it doesn't really

[2:45:11] Voice 3: qualify as a dwelling for some reason there's really no justification for this but at the same

[2:45:17] Voice 3: time

[2:45:18] Voice 10: the 2000

[2:45:19] Voice 3: or 2275 gallons that are required per day for the dwelling were not calculated in

[2:45:26] Voice 3: the water budget because if they if if they did have calculate that against the house the rest

[2:45:33] Voice 3: of the water available under the uh test that was done back in 2015 would not be enough to support

[2:45:40] Voice 3: part of the the retreat facility. So I just hope that

[2:45:45] Voice 3: you take a look at that.

[2:45:54] Voice 4: So the land use bylaw requires under Section 13.24, the

[2:46:00] Voice 4: standards for potable water supply as a list of uses and the

[2:46:05] Voice 4: associated volume or liters per day that you are required. And

[2:46:09] Voice 4: And so the uses are residential, including cottage, agriculture, forest, commercial, visitor accommodation or industry and all other uses.

[2:46:17] Voice 4: In this case, it's not being zoned residential.

[2:46:20] Voice 4: It's being zoned its own site-specific zone.

[2:46:25] Voice 4: And so then you would use that all of the uses category.

[2:46:28] Voice 4: And they have demonstrated that they have over 2275 potable water per day for that other use.

[2:46:38] Voice 4: that clarity.

[2:46:42] Voice 18: Anyone else that wants to address the LTC at the town hall section here?

[2:46:48] Voice 18: We all talked out? Okay, well

[2:46:52] Voice 4: I just want to, oh sure. I have a farm, it's not in the ALR,

[2:47:00] Voice 4: the whole 15 acres is considered a farm by the assessment people,

[2:47:10] Voice 4: and i'm wondering how that those new regulations will impact me if i'm not exempt from uh as

[2:47:19] Voice 4: the same as they are i

[2:47:25] Voice 14: don't know

[2:47:27] Voice 4: what the impact is i don't know what the regulations

[2:47:31] Voice 4: what you're doing you know how it would impact me

[2:47:40] Voice 4: Yes, the whole property is considered for Sir

[2:47:46] Voice 6: what regulations are you speaking to?

[2:47:47] Voice 6: You

[2:47:48] Voice 16: were talking about the

[2:47:50] Voice 4: groundwater

[2:47:51] Voice 16: sustainability project.

[2:47:54] Voice 4: How is that going to impact properties like mine?

[2:48:01] Voice 5: that's

[2:48:02] Voice 18: a good that's a

[2:48:03] Voice 18: good question and uh the the planner who was reporting to us uh left the

[2:48:07] Voice 18: meeting after we said she would go so

[2:48:10] Voice 18: she's not here to answer

[2:48:12] Voice 4: your questions well

[2:48:15] Voice 18: no because uh

[2:48:16] Voice 18: um uh sort of town hall there's two beginning and after and

[2:48:23] Voice 5: but i wouldn't ask you

[2:48:24] Voice 18: the question yeah

[2:48:24] Voice 18: absolutely but what i would encourage you to do so that we could get some some uh information for you

[2:48:30] Voice 18: is maybe you could uh write the local trust committee um and and we can get that clarity

[2:48:37] Voice 18: for you there's

[2:48:38] Voice 14: also community information meeting around it as well right yeah we don't

[2:48:43] Voice 4: get too late then but there's so many things you

[2:48:45] Voice 6: can always give narissa a call too i can give you

[2:48:47] Voice 6: her direct binder email she'd be the best person to talk to

[2:48:50] Voice 18: she she knows this she's done all the

[2:48:53] Voice 18: work on this so she definitely has the most information for you and then as as professor

[2:48:58] Voice 18: gabriel said that you know it's it's not a done deal yet we'll have community information meeting

[2:49:03] Voice 18: at minimum so yeah great thank you all right then well uh with that

[2:49:13] Voice 18: we have no closed meeting scheduled today so i will go ahead and call for adjournment

[2:49:22] Voice 18: and thank you everyone for coming out and addressing the trust committee

[2:49:28] Voice 18: It's very important, especially, I think, for me to hear from you.

[2:49:33] Voice 18: Also for your local trustees, I'm sure, but very important.