Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, February 9, 2023

[0:00:51] Voice 15: okay

[0:00:54] Voice 10: well good morning everyone i'll call this meeting of the salt spring island local trust

[0:01:00] Voice 10: committee to order um i want to acknowledge that island's trust and respectfully acknowledge that

[0:01:09] Voice 10: the islands and waters that encompass the island's trust area have been home to indigenous people

[0:01:13] Voice 10: since time immemorial now we are committed to reconciliation and working together to preserve

[0:01:19] Voice 10: and protect this ecologically culturally and spiritually significant region in the salish sea

[0:01:26] Voice 10: island's trust area is located within the uh territory and treaty lands of many first nations

[0:01:36] Voice 10: um with me today in the room is trustee jamie harris and with us virtually is trustee laura

[0:01:46] Voice 10: patrick you're hearing everything okay laura yes

[0:01:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): i am thank you

[0:01:52] Voice 10: excellent glad to hear it

[0:01:55] Voice 10: um and we have with us some staff members would you like to introduce yourself sir um sure uh my

[0:02:04] Voice 6: name is chris hutton i'm the uh the regional planning manager uh for the salt spring office

[0:02:10] Voice 6: Also, Rob Pingel is here, our planning team assistant, and Sarah Schuttner is here.

[0:02:18] Voice 6: And if you don't mind, Chair Peterson, I appreciate the opportunity to introduce one of our newest

[0:02:24] Voice 6: team members, Chris Buchan is joining us virtually, turning on his camera right now, here today.

[0:02:31] Voice 6: Okay, so Chris is joining us from Balanchine.

[0:02:35] Voice 6: He recently relocated to the area with his family.

[0:02:41] Voice 6: We're really happy to have him as a Planner 1.

[0:02:44] Voice 6: He's taken on a lot of the development load and permits

[0:02:49] and has a lot of application and really enjoys it.

[0:02:55] He's

[0:02:56] Voice 6: been part of the community so far since the beginning of January.

[0:02:58] Voice 6: I want to give you all a chance to welcome Mr. Buckin, and I'm sure you're going to see more of him soon.

[0:03:07] Voice 10: Excellent. Thank you very much.

[0:03:10] Voice 10: So we have an agenda before us.

[0:03:15] Voice 10: Any amendments, additions to the agenda?

[0:03:19] Voice 10: No. Trustee Patrick, yes?

[0:03:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Hi, there's a couple items.

[0:03:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): One is if we could add UBCM Housing Summit.

[0:03:31] Voice 10: Okay, and where do you think that should be?

[0:03:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think that probably just goes at the end of new business.

[0:03:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oops, sorry.

[0:03:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): I had that here, other 9.1.4.

[0:03:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): And then I have one more.

[0:03:53] Voice 15: Okay.

[0:03:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): I just wanted to continue the conversation on communications.

[0:03:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): That was a follow-up on item 9.1.8 from the December 13th minutes.

[0:04:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that, I don't know where that would go,

[0:04:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): if that would just be a business arising.

[0:04:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): rising but there was really no it was business from the last minutes but uh that's why i don't

[0:04:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): know if you want to put that at 4.2 or if you put that underneath it's not really new business

[0:04:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): anymore we started discussion on it now

[0:04:22] Voice 10: let's put it at 4.2 then okay communications and anything

[0:04:29] Voice 10: else anything from you trustee

[0:04:31] Voice 4: harris through the chair of section 3.1 if we could add some

[0:04:35] Voice 4: discussion about asking staff what amendments of the housing portion of the ocp would be needed

[0:04:44] Voice 4: in order to affect density change anywhere on the island to facilitate opportunities for workforce

[0:04:49] Voice 4: housing projects to initiate

[0:04:51] Voice 10: okay uh staff any comments do you think that 3

[0:04:57] Voice 11: .1 is a good spot for

[0:04:59] Voice 11: that discussion i

[0:05:03] Voice 4: don't think it quite answers the question being that it's in bylaw five you know

[0:05:07] Voice 4: that's where we're talking about bylaw 530 and clearly we're going to need some ocp amendments

[0:05:12] Voice 4: um so i thought that might be

[0:05:15] Voice 10: discussing ocp amendments uh to do with

[0:05:18] Voice 4: housing yes yeah

[0:05:20] Voice 11: um

[0:05:24] Voice 11: does it seem like that's that that's just the rise and report of the last

[0:05:33] Voice 11: do we have do we have that actually

[0:05:35] Voice 6: on maybe mr chair yes please put a separate item on for

[0:05:39] um under

[0:05:40] Voice 6: new business okay as um as

[0:05:42] Voice 10: a in reference to section 3.1 okay so let's do that at 9.1.5

[0:05:50] Voice 10: then what

[0:05:53] Voice 21: is the title um

[0:05:54] Voice 10: ocp c's amendments

[0:05:58] Voice 8: in regard to housing uh anything else trustees

[0:06:14] Voice 10: is

[0:06:14] Voice 4: 13 i'm not sorry as a chair through the chair um the letter from france and

[0:06:24] Voice 4: has that been put in as that's an addition correct it would be in around 13.9 i'm assuming

[0:06:33] Voice 4: this is a late great correspondence yeah but that late correspondence for consideration okay

[0:06:40] Voice 4: had okay i just have wanted to comment on that so wherever that is okay

[0:06:51] Voice 6: you're referring to the correspondence from ms wellman regarding um just wanting to have

[0:06:57] Voice 6: a conversation on that when we get to it yes and where

[0:07:01] Voice 3: it is oh is that 13.9 oh it is like

[0:07:07] Voice 3: i assumed yesterday i would probably be there okay yeah of course we've got that

[0:07:11] Voice 3: uh this is the one i should

[0:07:22] Voice 10: okay so uh so we can discuss that in due course when that comes up

[0:07:28] Voice 10: um all right then if there's nothing further can i take it by general consent that we'll

[0:07:33] Voice 10: adopt the uh agenda as amended not carrying any dissent there okay

[0:07:42] Voice 11: so previous meetings

[0:07:49] Voice 10: there's a rise in report from the january 26 2023 uh local trust committee and camera meeting

[0:08:01] Voice 10: which is requesting staff to continue work on bylaw 530. uh and is there anything from staff

[0:08:16] Voice 10: on that section chair this is um okay

[0:08:25] Voice 11: i

[0:08:29] Voice 10: assumed all right and then we at 3.2.1 we have the draft

[0:08:35] Voice 10: minutes of the december 13 uh local trust committee regular meeting for adoption

[0:08:43] Voice 10: trustees are there anything on that i see trustee patrick it's

[0:08:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): just a minor typo in section 7.7

[0:08:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): one it says issues and should be issued um said many have been issues to the same property owner

[0:09:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[0:09:04] Voice 10: staff captured that is

[0:09:07] Voice 15: there

[0:09:08] Voice 10: anything else on the draft minutes from december 13th

[0:09:12] Voice 10: trustee harris do you have any okay uh so we can uh by general consent we'll adopt those minutes

[0:09:19] Voice 10: as amended and then that moves us to 3.2.2 the draft minutes for january 26 special meeting for

[0:09:28] Voice 10: doctrine anything on those uh trustees uh

[0:09:33] Voice 9: trustee patrick yeah

[0:09:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry i'm just getting to the right

[0:09:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): page i found the minutes it it's either don't put anything in there or um you know we had a very

[0:09:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): very lengthy discussion, which I thought was a very good initiative to beginning. And all we have

[0:09:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): documented here is that there was discussion about constraints of planning due to water restrictions

[0:09:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): and agricultural land reserve. And then there's a statement that says there was discussion about

[0:10:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): the space the local trust takes within the islands trust and with the many other provincial

[0:10:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): and local government agencies i i think that was just about the importance of integrated

[0:10:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): planning so i found it just an interesting phrasing of statement but that's all that's

[0:10:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): captured after like a two-hour conversation so i'm just questioning why those two points

[0:10:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): and not the rest of the conversation

[0:10:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): comments

[0:10:39] Voice 15: on that this is um this is uh the minute we've been prepared for lpc's review

[0:10:49] Voice 6: any uh any expansion on that on that discussion or uh possibly a summary of

[0:11:01] what we heard

[0:11:03] Voice 9: that would be helpful trustee patrick can you hear that all right

[0:11:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think so.

[0:11:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, I'm not prepared to provide a summary of what we discussed for two hours on that day.

[0:11:19] Voice 9: If I could trust you, Patrick, I think that I heard the regional planning manager say that if we would like more of a summary, that could be done.

[0:11:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, I think it's either just say there was a good discussion or provide a summary.

[0:11:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's correct.

[0:11:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): Correct. But these two points just seem arbitrary out of a two-hour conversation. That's all.

[0:11:42] Voice 9: Okay. So just for clarity, would you prefer that there was a summary in future?

[0:11:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think that would have been a good idea just to capture some of the general statements that we had talked about.

[0:11:57] Voice 9: Okay. Thank you. So staff has heard that.

[0:12:00] Voice 9: and yeah um

[0:12:02] Voice 6: so um just so i have clarity um is is lpc wishing to receive a summary in the future

[0:12:10] uh or if you make an amendment to these minutes or and and also possibly to receive a summary

[0:12:17] prior to the next strategic

[0:12:18] Voice 6: uh session you've asked for or we could also just summarize what

[0:12:22] Voice 6: we heard at that next strategic session um and provide a bit of a rundown on what we heard

[0:12:28] Voice 6: to build off of that in the next conversation.

[0:12:32] Voice 9: Okay, so Trustee Patrick, did you hear that all right?

[0:12:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think so.

[0:12:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, absolutely, we want to build off of the conversation we had before.

[0:12:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): So if that's the time to have the summary,

[0:12:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): maybe these minutes just need to say a summary will be prepared

[0:12:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): or just indicate that this is not what we talked about, those two points.

[0:12:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): it just like i said it just doesn't it's not reflective for the record okay

[0:13:01] Voice 9: so staff do you need any specific direction on that or is that

[0:13:13] sure um

[0:13:14] Voice 6: my

[0:13:15] Voice 19: suggestion would be to just um not adopt them and then we'll bring them back to the

[0:13:24] Voice 19: next meeting with more discussion a little more okay

[0:13:27] Voice 10: okay

[0:13:28] Voice 19: then that would capture the discussion

[0:13:30] Voice 19: for the record perfect

[0:13:31] Voice 10: okay that seems reasonable i see thumbs up from trustee patrick so that seems

[0:13:36] Voice 10: like that's an acceptable solution so we will just defer the adoption of of those minutes for now

[0:13:43] Voice 10: um and in that case that moves us on to 3.3 resolutions without meeting report uh dated

[0:13:51] Voice 10: of february 2023 um

[0:13:54] Voice 11: i'm having trouble navigating my uh it's working better again um all right was

[0:14:11] Voice 10: there anything on the that that anyone needed to get some clarity on at all the resolutions

[0:14:18] Voice 10: of that meeting

[0:14:19] Voice 11: i believe we just had the one just the one having trouble finding the report now

[0:14:23] Voice 11: yeah we just had the one to adopt

[0:14:44] Voice 10: sorry about that so let's move on to the follow

[0:14:49] Voice 10: uh there are no advising uh advisory planning commission minutes and there's no uh public

[0:14:57] Voice 10: hearing record um so we can move on to business rising for the minutes and 4.1 is the follow-up

[0:15:06] Voice 10: action list chair the uh action list is there for um the uh considerations okay any questions

[0:15:22] Voice 10: uh around the follow-up action list i see

[0:15:27] Voice 10: trustee patrick yes

[0:15:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): i had a couple questions on page

[0:15:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): 26 of the agenda package or three of the uh follow-up action list item one under september

[0:15:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): 6 2022 it says that it's been completed that the materials to uh uh how the housing you know can be

[0:15:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): what steps are needed and so forth says it's completed so i'm just curious as to if it's

[0:15:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): completed where is it yeah

[0:16:00] Voice 6: mr chair the um this this uh this process is simply we can we can carry

[0:16:06] this forward as an operational note if the resolution has been received we're we're able to

[0:16:10] to prepare that um it's unclear to me when we're receiving these um these material requests that

[0:16:17] are somewhat operational in nature if ltc wishes to approve them or not um which is

[0:16:24] is not ideal in terms of the effective process um so we can we can take it forward um

[0:16:33] our our view is as staff my view is um that once

[0:16:37] Voice 6: you provided that as a as an operational note

[0:16:39] Voice 6: these resolutions where they're purely operational um i'm not really too sure if you would like us to

[0:16:46] Voice 6: report back um and provide this for consideration or not um we can consider this open if you like

[0:16:53] Voice 6: okay until it's it's completed operationally um trustee

[0:16:58] Voice 9: patrick did you want to respond to that

[0:17:00] Voice 9: well

[0:17:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): i mean i it asked that materials be completed i no i wasn't expecting that we needed to approve

[0:17:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): prove those materials but i assume that if the item's completed then those materials exist

[0:17:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that's all i was asking is that you know where are they if they if so if it's just you've

[0:17:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): recognized this motion and you're intending to prepare these materials then how do we track and

[0:17:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): know it's done i'm just so

[0:17:27] Voice 9: it sounds like you would prefer some reporting back well i'd like

[0:17:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): to know that it was done that's how the follow-up action list if it says completed

[0:17:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): it my understanding would be then that these materials exist am i am i interpreting something

[0:17:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): wrong okay

[0:17:47] Voice 10: does that have you got some clarity there i i have some clarity what i what i'm

[0:17:51] hearing is that if it's the rest of trust count trust to increase uh we can certainly uh take

[0:17:57] that approach um yeah so we can we can put this back in progress and uh we will update it when it

[0:18:08] it is uh completed okay

[0:18:11] Voice 6: do you have any concerns about trustee harris um i'll

[0:18:15] Voice 10: just no okay happy

[0:18:18] Voice 10: to see any materials okay then uh then that's fine is there any further uh questions on the

[0:18:24] Voice 10: follow-up action list trustee patrick well

[0:18:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): then that the same thing applies to the same the two

[0:18:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): two, three, four, five and six of that same date, it says completed. And those do say report back

[0:18:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the trustees. So

[0:18:44] Voice 11: yes, I do see that.

[0:18:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): So is it if it's completed? Again, where is it?

[0:18:51] Voice 10: Right. And one of them says to prepare communications material. Number four are there.

[0:18:58] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, So that does seem like something that communications material might be something that the LTC might want to actually look at an approved potentially or at least have a look at come to all right, so is that is that clear stuff do you need any direction on this or is that.

[0:19:15] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, Mr chair, I will bring back to in progress and not complete them until

[0:19:23] Voice 6: they've been undertaken.

[0:19:24] Voice 6: Mayor Mrakas,

[0:19:25] Voice 10: Okay, thank you anything out from you trustee Harris on the follow up action list no

[0:19:32] Voice 11: and

[0:19:33] Voice 10: anything further from you trustee Patrick okay.

[0:19:36] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, All right, that being the case let's move on to the newly added item 4.2 communication trustee Patrick did you want to lead off on this, please trustee

[0:19:57] Voice 9: Patrick you're muted.

[0:19:57] Voice 9: I

[0:19:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): apologize. I turned it off instead of on. UBCM announced that they will be hosting a conference in April, April 4th to 5th.

[0:20:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's a um it's a province-wide housing summit um and there are the the intent is to

[0:20:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): um um conference will assist in the identification of solutions to address gaps in current policies

[0:20:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): can

[0:20:28] Voice 10: i interrupt you for a moment yep um i thought that we had put the uh uh housing summit under

[0:20:33] Voice 10: oh sorry

[0:20:34] Voice 10: i think i have communications under 4.2

[0:20:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm i'm sorry i've just got

[0:20:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): quite all right

[0:20:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): here quite all right

[0:20:42] Voice 10: uh

[0:20:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay my apologies

[0:20:45] Voice 15: that

[0:20:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): that was um yes we had raised

[0:20:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): back then about improving the way we have some communications um and i know both the driftwood

[0:20:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): and the exchange have offered to assist in funneling questions to um to us and i think we

[0:21:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): need to find a way to have this i mean the before we would participate once a month in the ask

[0:21:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): session and it was it's a bit of an awkward process in which one trustee is fielding questions

[0:21:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): but it would be nice to have a formal way in which questions could be posed to us

[0:21:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): and so that we can provide formal answers because otherwise uh you know the driftwood

[0:21:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): one's articles from people who write things that may or may not be correct and people are

[0:21:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): running away with their interpretations of what it may or may not be correct

[0:21:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): it would be nice to have an official way that questions could come and so um i'd like to not

[0:21:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): just leave this as an unanswered question because i think we're vulnerable to ongoing

[0:21:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): misinformation if we don't have a formal way you know yes somebody can come to our town halls and

[0:21:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): ask questions but um you know there's other ways that questions could be raised and come to us

[0:22:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that we could you know track the answers and then the newspapers or in the

[0:22:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): exchange could have accurate answers to questions okay um

[0:22:23] Voice 4: well can the driftwood not send a reporter to the town hall to track questions well they they

[0:22:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah,

[0:22:34] Voice 4: rather than starting a whole new process.

[0:22:41] Voice 10: Thoughts on that, Trustee Patrick?

[0:22:44] Voice 10: Sounds a little different than what you were suggesting.

[0:22:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, no, I think they're just, not everybody can come to our town halls.

[0:22:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's a fundamental problem.

[0:22:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): And we'll be talking about that.

[0:22:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think we've asked for a report back on that.

[0:22:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): um and you know the questions come from all it can come any day of the week or month and so it's

[0:23:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): nice if people can have a pathway in which they submit questions to us that we could answer in

[0:23:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): these meetings um and then track those answers so that we don't have to answer the same question

[0:23:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): over and over again but i think it'd be

[0:23:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): nice to provide something formally because otherwise you

[0:23:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): like last Friday asked just had general conversations and if we have general conversations

[0:23:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): of a group of people that don't even have any representation of the trust in the room

[0:23:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): again misinformation just gets created yeah

[0:23:39] Voice 4: I don't understand how this will misinformation

[0:23:44] Voice 4: definitely is a huge issue I understand I wonder if we can make the changes to our town hall like

[0:23:53] Voice 4: we have suggested the last meeting where we moved that to some evening sessions so more people can

[0:23:59] Voice 4: get out that traditionally wouldn't come to a trust meeting being that it's during the day

[0:24:04] Voice 4: and they're busy working

[0:24:05] Voice 15: maybe

[0:24:07] Voice 4: if we can do that first to facilitate some better question and

[0:24:13] Voice 4: answer time with the public and request that the drift would have a reporter there and if we can

[0:24:23] Voice 4: do that first before we push on with something else like maybe we can finish one sort of project

[0:24:30] Voice 4: at a time in regards to uh question and answers from the public

[0:24:35] Voice 10: okay um i i have a thought i'll

[0:24:38] Voice 10: just interject here um i'm not attached to which way this goes necessarily but uh it occurs to me

[0:24:44] Voice 10: we could perhaps even consider some kind of a hybrid between what both of you are suggesting

[0:24:48] Voice 10: if we do I'm hoping that perhaps in April we could we might be hopefully as early as April

[0:24:58] Voice 10: we might be able to schedule a an evening town hall question and answer session so my thought

[0:25:05] Voice 10: here is that maybe Trustee Patrick's idea of of the driftwood funneling some questions could

[0:25:15] Voice 10: actually funnel some questions that we could address at out of town hall um one of those

[0:25:20] Voice 10: evening sessions and uh sort of brings both of those ideas uh together a little bit so um

[0:25:28] Voice 10: i think that sounds great trustee patrick well

[0:25:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): that was my intent was that the questions would

[0:25:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): come to one of our meetings and that we would discuss them they may be questions that we answer

[0:25:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): as trustees they may be questions that we ask staff to respond to because they're administrative

[0:25:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): administrative in nature um I'd I'd be happy to volunteer without needing a resolution to carry

[0:25:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): on talking with both the driftwood in the exchange about how they could participate

[0:25:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): um because they've both expressed interest I just didn't go further until I felt I had

[0:26:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): support from my fellow trustees I can

[0:26:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): I interject yes Mr chair

[0:26:06] Voice 4: I wonder I'm concerned with the

[0:26:09] Voice 4: driftwood um partially traditionally it's comments coming from one side of the coin i wonder if we

[0:26:18] Voice 4: could also somehow incorporate the islands trust discussion and opinion facebook group into that

[0:26:27] Voice 4: maybe have have something going through there rather than just funneling questions through

[0:26:33] Voice 4: the driftwood um

[0:26:35] Voice 10: so i i hear what you're saying about wanting to hear from uh multiple points

[0:26:41] Voice 10: to you and i think that's perfectly valid uh i think we might if we're going to start looking at

[0:26:48] Voice 10: uh at questions that are coming from um sources that are not individuals then we probably want

[0:27:00] Voice 10: to have a more like a bit of a longer discussion about that and maybe we might consider getting

[0:27:06] Voice 10: getting some advice from staff around that as well.

[0:27:10] Voice 10: That's just my thought.

[0:27:14] Voice 10: I'm not saying no, but I'm saying if we're,

[0:27:18] Voice 10: like we have, as I understand it,

[0:27:21] Voice 10: the two media sources that Laura's talking about

[0:27:24] Voice 10: are sort of established print, are they both print media?

[0:27:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, they are.

[0:27:32] Voice 10: Okay, and you're talking about more like a digital forum?

[0:27:37] Voice 10: them well i'm sorry as i understand

[0:27:38] Voice 4: it so i didn't realize through the chair i didn't realize that

[0:27:42] Voice 4: the salt spring exchange was print for um i thought that was digital but okay i guess it

[0:27:50] Voice 10: doesn't it that's sort of um i'm sorry i i didn't mean to interrupt the possible answer to your

[0:27:57] Voice 10: question there is the exchange a print media then is that what you said oh

[0:28:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): i apologize well no it is

[0:28:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): is a digital format but it it

[0:28:06] Voice 10: seems to be and it's sort of

[0:28:08] Voice 10: if i could though it's but it's it's sort

[0:28:11] Voice 10: of more uh uh like reporting type for like news newspaper type format rather like i think what

[0:28:18] Voice 10: you're talking about is more of a forum rather

[0:28:21] Voice 4: than a reporting which which which seems to

[0:28:24] Voice 4: represent another side of the coin nationally

[0:28:27] Voice 10: the driftwood and the

[0:28:28] Voice 4: exchange are leaning towards

[0:28:30] Voice 4: one side

[0:28:30] Voice 10: and i i take your point trustee harris i think that we just i just want us to be um

[0:28:37] Voice 10: i just want us to be cautious about uh how we how we organize this from a process point of view um

[0:28:48] Voice 10: what i wouldn't want to do is create an expectation that we're necessarily going to air

[0:28:56] Voice 10: uh all questions from sources especially when it's not i mean when somebody comes to town hall

[0:29:04] Voice 10: uh in person we we have a a bit of a code of of of conduct here um and so i guess what i'm sort

[0:29:16] Voice 10: of speculating about here how about on the fly is um you know we may need to if i i feel like

[0:29:24] Voice 10: if we're getting something from uh these sort of reporting new reporting sort of news i think that

[0:29:31] Voice 10: there may have been some vetting there so i my only concern is like um is that we may need to

[0:29:39] Voice 10: vet some of those like i've i've read a

[0:29:42] Voice 12: lot of opinions

[0:29:42] Voice 10: from there some of them are opinions

[0:29:44] Voice 10: that i i don't think are appropriate uh in terms of the decorum of our meetings so we need some

[0:29:52] Voice 10: some form of that. Are you

[0:29:53] Voice 10: speaking with the driftwoods? No, no, I'm speaking about that.

[0:29:58] Voice 10: That online forum.

[0:30:00] Voice 10: well it's just just in terms of i mean i've looked at that forum a fair bit and sometimes there's um

[0:30:06] Voice 10: uh personal things said and and there's uh things that i wouldn't accept as appropriate

[0:30:12] Voice 10: in our normal meeting

[0:30:14] Voice 22: process so uh i

[0:30:16] Voice 6: see uh yes um i i i hear um a lot of a lot of things

[0:30:23] Voice 6: uh being discussed here um i want to mention first and foremost that we do have a

[0:30:29] correspondence policy um and that there's really no uh limit uh access for the public uh that

[0:30:36] includes the media and um we i will say that um you know in recent weeks i've been compelled to

[0:30:42] reach out as has our our new uh communication specialist uh who's working in the southern office

[0:30:48] uh to reach out to uh you know pretty much traditional

[0:30:53] Voice 6: forms of media uh be they online

[0:30:55] Voice 6: or print media, and I know that sometimes

[0:30:59] Voice 6: in some governance cases, it gets into like larger

[0:31:03] Voice 6: TV channels and all that kind of thing.

[0:31:05] Voice 6: So we are alive to the issue of communication

[0:31:09] and media communication.

[0:31:10] Voice 6: So I specifically reached out to the Director

[0:31:13] earlier this week to introduce myself

[0:31:17] and let them know that I'm available to respond

[0:31:19] to technical questions.

[0:31:21] And

[0:31:21] Voice 6: of course it would be really great

[0:31:22] Voice 6: if we did have our local media sitting

[0:31:25] Voice 6: in these meetings that are important obviously if we had a typical town hall there would be a desk

[0:31:31] Voice 6: dedicated for media um and that that goes for online groups as well uh you know uh any online

[0:31:38] or other organizations um you know typically we're looking for them we i think it's it's prudent of

[0:31:46] uh local trust committees and other elected bodies to consider their their corporate status as

[0:31:50] as organized societies uh that enables uh creates a legal structure where when

[0:31:57] there is a person speaking for that group specifically uh

[0:32:00] Voice 6: there are many groups like

[0:32:02] Voice 6: that of all kinds uh on the island so um and that's to say that all of these people are

[0:32:08] Voice 6: as accessible to staff as they are to you as individuals um so that's just just on the topic

[0:32:15] Voice 6: of media access um i i don't know if we need a not certain that we need a strong policy here

[0:32:22] Voice 6: uh there are you know regulations about not discussing things in a quorum and that obviously

[0:32:28] applies to media as well uh outside of a regular meeting um but i certainly encourage you to answer

[0:32:35] uh questions in any way that you see fit uh as representative of your community so the

[0:32:42] The question of town halls, though, I do want to discuss with you all.

[0:32:46] I think IOU are poured on that possibility, and I think it would be prudent for this committee

[0:32:53] to consider the budgetary costs of evening meetings before requesting them.

[0:32:58] Voice 6: They are quite costly.

[0:33:01] Voice 6: We have unionized staff, so they would be paid over time.

[0:33:05] Voice 6: We also have limited staff resources in terms of our tenure.

[0:33:10] maker so these are things that we need to uh we don't typically have available uh and we are in

[0:33:16] a budget cycle right now so uh your budgets i think are firming up and um we have to look at

[0:33:22] Voice 6: that how we manage that over the course of the year or for your meetings um these are things

[0:33:28] Voice 6: that i would like for you to consider i would request that you consider uh in order to in going

[0:33:33] Voice 6: forward and determine whether or not that's the right way to go uh however i think it is uh you

[0:33:38] know that the the best media is earned media and any any time

[0:33:42] Voice 6: you can uh engage directly with local

[0:33:45] Voice 6: journalists uh that's that's great anytime it's a great way to uh engage with our community and

[0:33:52] for us to clarify messaging um when it comes to what is misinformation what is not um there's

[0:33:59] there's going to i mean we're

[0:34:02] Voice 6: all here because we all have we all live together but we all have

[0:34:06] Voice 6: different perspectives on things and that that's fine to share uh and i hope you do um you know

[0:34:12] share that with the media as long as you're speaking for yourself um you know that's fine

[0:34:18] Voice 6: as individuals uh speaking for the trust committee is important to share um so i wanted to just

[0:34:25] Voice 6: circle this thing so i'm not too sure where this is going but i just wanted to make sure that we're

[0:34:29] we're sticking with our existing policies and uh if there's a desire to address something more

[0:34:36] Voice 6: specifically we're happy to provide any any input back on that as i made through the chair yes

[0:34:44] Voice 4: that kind of brings us full circle back to the evening town halls i understand that

[0:34:52] Voice 4: maybe budgetarily it may be tough but i do see there's plenty of areas where we could

[0:34:58] Voice 4: not be spending money and possibly putting a few bucks into an evening town hall i think it's very

[0:35:03] Voice 4: very important that we do move forward with evening town halls because again traditionally

[0:35:09] Voice 4: the people that come to the town halls during the day do not speak for the working class

[0:35:16] Voice 4: who definitely are just out busy trying to put food on the table for their families and with

[0:35:20] Voice 4: the ever increasing costs of living here that's especially so and the only time they can get out

[0:35:25] Voice 4: in person to voice their concerns to us would be in the evening and i would suggest that that's

[0:35:31] Voice 4: what we do first and see what kind of a response we get maybe have one two three of these meetings

[0:35:38] Voice 4: um set up that way and consecutively coming up with our ltcs and then go from there as far as

[0:35:46] Voice 4: seeing what we can do with the driftwood and all the rest of it being that the budgetarily we

[0:35:52] Voice 4: we are constrained um but added i'd like to add that we would need to invite the driftwood

[0:35:59] Voice 4: to come and hopefully record um what is said there okay

[0:36:06] Voice 10: um thank you for that trustee harris

[0:36:09] Voice 10: so i think we're there's sort of i feel like there's two strains of of conversation going

[0:36:13] Voice 10: on here one was i think uh if i'm right i think that uh trustee patrick was talking about um

[0:36:24] Voice 10: the driftwood and other sources funneling questions to the ltc for us to address

[0:36:30] Voice 10: in a public meeting and then the other question is about having

[0:36:35] Voice 10: um a town hall the evening town hall so there's there's sort of two parts of that okay uh and and

[0:36:42] Voice 10: And so, and they're both perfectly valid, but I'm just saying with our conversation here is sort of expanded into, into sort of two different topics that

[0:36:52] Voice 10: are related, but I just wanted to check back in with, with the regional planning manager

[0:36:57] Voice 10: for a moment.

[0:36:59] Voice 10: Through

[0:36:59] Voice 4: the chair point of order,

[0:37:00] Voice 4: whatever you got to say. No, I'm saying something right now. I don't care. Throw me out whatever you want to do.

[0:37:04] Voice 4: You'd said this was a hybrid. You suggested a hybrid. So that's what we're talking to change the subject.

[0:37:09] Voice 10: I'm just gonna stop you right there trustee Harris come on okay well you're interrupting

[0:37:14] Voice 10: the chair and that that is not acceptable well

[0:37:17] Voice 4: you went on

[0:37:18] Voice 10: to a different point no okay trustee

[0:37:20] Voice 10: Harris that's not acceptable

[0:37:21] Voice 10: you have right here some meetings I said through the chair

[0:37:25] Voice 10: no you need to be recognized from by the chair you don't interrupt the chair in the middle of

[0:37:31] Voice 10: the chair speaking when I recognize you you can speak and I'd really appreciate it if you would

[0:37:37] Voice 10: wait until i recognize you and then we can continue

[0:37:42] Voice 15: all

[0:37:43] Voice 10: right now i had a question for

[0:37:46] Voice 10: the regional planning manager which was i was wondering whether you have um any reporting for

[0:37:52] Voice 10: us on the financial costs of the evening town hall concept no so

[0:38:01] Voice 10: you don't have i don't you

[0:38:02] Voice 6: don't have at this time

[0:38:03] Voice 10: okay so that's

[0:38:04] Voice 6: if you'd like we could we can okay um

[0:38:08] Voice 10: do you require any

[0:38:10] Voice 10: resolution for that okay you can just do that as a matter of course okay thank you so um

[0:38:22] Voice 10: all right then uh is there any further discussion on this uh 4.2 communication piece here

[0:38:31] Voice 10: trustee Patrick did you have anything further no

[0:38:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm I will continue I'm going to hold a

[0:38:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversation with both the driftwood and the exchange to see you know what their thoughts

[0:38:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): are and and that's all okay

[0:38:45] Voice 10: thank you did you have anything further on this item no just what

[0:38:48] Voice 10: I said earlier okay in that case let's move on to section five we have no sorry I'm just going

[0:38:56] Voice 19: to summarize that trustee Patrick is going to talk to the driftwood and the exchange about

[0:39:01] Voice 19: about communication going forward and that staff

[0:39:05] Voice 19: are going to bring back budget implications

[0:39:09] Voice 19: for scheduling evening town hall.

[0:39:13] Voice 19: Yeah, that

[0:39:15] Voice 10: sounds good.

[0:39:16] Voice 10: I think that captures that.

[0:39:18] Voice 10: So no community information meeting, no public hearing.

[0:39:23] Voice 10: Then we're onto the report section at 7.1,

[0:39:27] Voice 10: we have policy and standing resolutions list.

[0:39:34] Voice 10: is there any questions on that section uh or anything from south

[0:39:47] Voice 10: nothing from staff nothing from trusting nothing

[0:39:49] Voice 3: thank you not for sure

[0:39:50] Voice 10: okay and then we've got

[0:39:52] Voice 10: the 7.2 we have the active project report um

[0:40:02] Voice 11: and anything from staff on

[0:40:04] Voice 6: this section there's

[0:40:05] Voice 6: nothing on the uh the active project chair uh there is um obviously uh we're sort of waiting

[0:40:11] Voice 6: for the budget to wrap up where we are.

[0:40:16] There is a lot of work going on on projects

[0:40:18] in terms of developing plans for the upcoming

[0:40:22] in anticipation of approval of the budget

[0:40:26] as well as ongoing work on other policy projects

[0:40:30] that are underway,

[0:40:31] Voice 6: but nothing really.

[0:40:34] Voice 6: Any questions for the regional planning manager

[0:40:37] Voice 6: on the section?

[0:40:38] Voice 10: No, thank you, Mr. Chair.

[0:40:40] Voice 10: nothing from you trustee

[0:40:42] Voice 11: patrick okay that brings us on to 7.3 the future projects list

[0:40:53] Voice 15: anything there nothing from you trustee patrick

[0:41:08] Voice 10: okay all right then we have the applications

[0:41:13] Voice 10: report with status dated february 2023 at 7.4 share anything of note here for us from staff

[0:41:22] Voice 10: any questions from trustees on this section no

[0:41:27] Voice 7: trustee

[0:41:29] Voice 10: patrick any questions on the

[0:41:30] Voice 10: applications okay and then we have the expense report at 7.5 any uh anything on this i see

[0:41:42] Voice 10: trustee patrick yes yes

[0:41:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's unspent funds for the housing um challenges and solutions of

[0:41:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): $21,430. And as we discussed earlier on the follow-up action list, there were a few communications

[0:41:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): items that needed to be developed to improve the communications and set the stage for the

[0:42:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversations in the community. And I'm wondering, are there plans for this money, or is this going

[0:42:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): to just sit unspent for the remainder of the year?

[0:42:14] Voice 6: At this stage, the money will sit unspent.

[0:42:24] Voice 9: Did you have anything further on that, Trustee Patrick?

[0:42:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm deeply saddened to hear that uh this money will sit unspent when we have uh such needs uh

[0:42:38] Voice 15: okay nothing further

[0:42:42] Voice 10: at all okay um we do not have an island's trust conservancy report today

[0:42:50] Voice 10: and the next item is the salt spring island watershed protection alliance

[0:42:54] Voice 10: Alliance coordinators report dated January, 2023.

[0:42:59] Voice 10: Is there someone presenting at all on this,

[0:43:03] Voice 10: or is

[0:43:03] Voice 15: this just for information?

[0:43:13] Voice 15: Trustee Patrick?

[0:43:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): It generally is as chair,

[0:43:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): I can try to answer any questions

[0:43:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): if there are any on this report,

[0:43:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): otherwise it's for information.

[0:43:22] Voice 10: Okay, so there are any questions on the report?

[0:43:27] Voice 4: Yes, please, through the chair.

[0:43:28] Voice 4: yes is this where we have a full conversation or through a conversation about

[0:43:34] Voice 4: or is this does that come up in another section of the agenda um he's

[0:43:43] Voice 11: wondering if this is that

[0:43:44] Voice 11: is this

[0:43:45] Voice 10: an appropriate time to discuss um well this is this is just the report but it i think

[0:43:52] Voice 10: you're oh see i i think actually on our next section here okay in section point eight will

[0:43:56] Voice 10: be that's where we're talking about this so through the chair no okay all right so we're

[0:44:02] Voice 10: just about there um that brings us to uh section 8.1 uh which is the salt spring watershed

[0:44:11] Voice 10: protection alliance specialty special property tax requisition and we have a staff report

[0:44:17] Voice 10: um and is that you read the plan manager okay i

[0:44:22] Voice 6: can answer questions uh mr patino is also

[0:44:33] Voice 11: Okay, so please go ahead.

[0:44:39] Voice 16: Good morning to all of the trustees in the chair. I know that a lot of us haven't met.

[0:44:45] Voice 16: Even though I've been with the office for a little while. My name is Anthony Fatino I'm a island planner with the office.

[0:44:52] Voice 16: Today, I've submitted a staff report with the subject SWPA, Special Property Tax Requisition for fiscal 2023-24.

[0:45:04] Voice 16: for. The report concerns a special property requisition for the Salt Spring Island Local

[0:45:14] Voice 16: Trust Committee to continue funding the coordination of watershed protection and

[0:45:18] Voice 16: planning initiatives through the Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance, which is

[0:45:23] Voice 16: known as

[0:45:23] Voice 16: SWIPA. Trust Council Policy 6.3.2 requires the LTC to approve a request for

[0:45:31] Voice 16: decision regarding the special property tax requisition. Historically, SWPA has provided a

[0:45:41] Voice 16: forum to engage multi-jurisdictional planning for the sustainability and protection of freshwater

[0:45:49] Voice 16: resources on Salt Spring Island. It has also advised on policies of regional, local, and

[0:45:56] Voice 16: and provincial government organizations

[0:45:57] Voice 16: that are related to freshwater resources.

[0:46:02] Voice 16: The recommendation that I've brought forward

[0:46:04] Voice 16: is that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:46:06] Voice 16: request that Trust Council include a special tax requisition

[0:46:09] Voice 16: of $75,500 in the 2023-2024 budget

[0:46:14] Voice 16: to fund the ongoing collaboration work

[0:46:16] Voice 16: of the Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance

[0:46:20] Voice 16: and that the request for decision titled

[0:46:22] Voice 16: Salt Spring Island Water Sustainability

[0:46:24] Voice 16: a special property tax requisition be forwarded to trust council for consideration i've provided

[0:46:31] Voice 16: alternative resolutions which would be a direct staff to amend the request for decision to a

[0:46:38] Voice 16: different amount or that the salt spring island local trust committee not request that trust

[0:46:43] Voice 16: council include a special tax requisition of 75 500 dollars to in the 2023-24 budget to fund the

[0:46:52] Voice 16: the ongoing collaboration work of SWPA.

[0:46:58] Voice 11: Okay, thank you for that report.

[0:47:03] Voice 11: Just these

[0:47:03] Voice 9: questions, comments?

[0:47:08] Voice 5: Laura, sorry, through the chair, maybe Laura,

[0:47:11] Voice 5: so I saw her hand up.

[0:47:12] Voice 5: Trustee Patrick then?

[0:47:15] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:47:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, I mean, I can understand the frustrations

[0:47:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): that have been expressed by Pears Island.

[0:47:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): This is not the first time.

[0:47:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm the the intent. And if you read the language of the of all the for SWPA and the bylaws that have established what we're doing,

[0:47:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): it does talk about the local trust area as being the service area, not Salt Spring.

[0:47:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): That said, the majority of the work has been aimed at Salt Spring.

[0:47:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I do understand them. There is an ongoing item with the financial planning committee to see if they can figure out how to break up.

[0:47:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's through the legislation that the special tax request cannot be subdivided to a particular island. It is a local trust area, so that work is ongoing.

[0:48:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): I have been expressing my frustration for years on strategic planning, and it's taken far longer than ever imagined.

[0:48:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): But we are finally in the final aspects of creating a 10-year strategic plan that is for the coordinating organizations, the CRD, the Islands Trust, the province, and North Salt Spring Water.

[0:48:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): This has been a major undertaking.

[0:48:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): On the front cover of the report will be the four logos of those organizations, not SWPA.

[0:48:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): It is about coordinating the work of those organizations.

[0:48:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): The very most important and first action that has been identified in there is to look very

[0:48:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): carefully at the governance of SWPA and what is the best way to move forward in this coordinating

[0:49:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): way.

[0:49:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): There's lots of options that need to be looked at.

[0:49:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have the governance report that was created for this work last spring.

[0:49:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't know if Trustee Harris should be given a copy of that because it's very important. And it includes the options of the CRD taking on this level of service. That's not going to happen overnight. We need at least another year to do this governance.

[0:49:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): I did get from Julia Mob, our Director of Administrative Services, that there is projected to be a surplus of $32,000 in this tax requisition before the end of the year.

[0:49:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we could definitely today reduce this amount to be $43,500.

[0:49:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): potentially we had in a previous in our December meeting we had directed staff to

[0:49:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): prepare a work plan for next year so I would imagine that we'll see that or hear what the

[0:50:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): results are and perhaps there could be even a reduction from the 43,500 but that would be my

[0:50:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): proposal today is that I do support going forward I realize the frustrations that are there and I

[0:50:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): think the the work of this new strategic plan needs to unfold and we need at least one more

[0:50:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): year to determine the best course forward okay

[0:50:32] Voice 5: thank you trustee patrick trustee harris through

[0:50:36] Voice 5: the chair thank you

[0:50:37] Voice 4: i have a couple of comments one i heard trustee patrick mention that about

[0:50:46] Voice 4: about piers island and i'm assuming that that refers to this survey and that there was a large

[0:50:53] Voice 4: percentage of the survey came from piers island now in regards to that i've heard from many

[0:51:00] Voice 4: salt spring island folks who feel that the survey did not go on anywhere near enough they had just

[0:51:07] Voice 4: heard about the survey on the day that it was cancelled or the deadline for it was.

[0:51:15] Voice 4: With that, I'd like to add that I don't think that many people do not feel

[0:51:24] Voice 4: this type of requisition is any longer needed. Since the start of SWPA in 2013, Salt Spring

[0:51:32] Voice 4: adopted riparian area regulations which cover every lake, stream, creek and many ditches on

[0:51:39] Voice 4: the island protecting them from damaging development. From that there's nothing new

[0:51:44] Voice 4: to be considered or protected. Groundwater experts acknowledge due to underlying geology

[0:51:50] Voice 4: that it is impossible to determine with any certainty what is happening with groundwater

[0:51:55] Voice 4: aquifers on the island. The vast majority of the island is already subdivided to its maximum

[0:52:01] Voice 4: allowable under current bylaws the ministry of transportation mot and the crd require both

[0:52:09] Voice 4: require proof of potable water before prior to construction rainwater collection is recognized

[0:52:20] Voice 4: by the trust already as an option for potable water use we don't need to spend any more time

[0:52:24] Voice 4: or money studying water we um you know we're fighting water here most of the time so when

[0:52:34] Voice 4: what are the what are the deliverables here it's been years have gone on and and and i feel as

[0:52:41] Voice 4: many others do that that this is uh clearly a waste of uh time staff time valuable staff time

[0:52:51] Voice 4: we need to put forward to addressing workforce housing and um i will not be supporting this

[0:52:58] Voice 4: sucks for a position okay thank you

[0:53:02] Voice 9: um anything further trustee

[0:53:08] Voice 10: patrick no

[0:53:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'd be happy to respond

[0:53:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): um like i said i always talk about my t-shirt line water is messy it is multiple organizations

[0:53:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): that share different jurisdictional requirements for for managing water um while the while the

[0:53:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): province owns it it's it you know so it would be logical to say ah well the province can do this

[0:53:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): but they don't and this is what every organization uh in the province struggles with most have got

[0:53:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): regional districts that have created drinking water and watershed protection uh services um and

[0:53:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's what we see at the CVRD and regional district in Nanaimo and that's exactly what

[0:53:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): What they're doing is coordinating all these different entities and the work that needs

[0:54:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): to be done and making some hard decisions because it's like we would all like to say

[0:54:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): the province should just fork out more money and do this work for us, but they're not doing

[0:54:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): it anywhere.

[0:54:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): So ideally, we need to figure out who's, you know, it's either us or it's the CRD.

[0:54:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): One of us has to be taking this lead and coordinating this work.

[0:54:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): And it's been the Islands Trust.

[0:54:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): um and next year we've got to examine that conversation to have it further is the crd

[0:54:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): prepared to move step up and and to take on the service or not for salt spring and the southern

[0:54:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): gulf islands is what i would hope they would do um but you know that's all all we can move to

[0:54:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): so at this point i do support and i would uh and i would move the motion and reduce the amount to

[0:54:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): 43 500 um is what i would propose okay thank

[0:54:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): you for the chair

[0:54:59] Voice 16: if i if i may say something

[0:55:01] Voice 16: um trustee patrick uh has brought up a an important point in that this upcoming

[0:55:08] Voice 16: fiscal year is is very important for the future of swipa in that where we will be and have been

[0:55:17] Voice 16: working on uh addressing the governance issue which is what we've set our priority to be in

[0:55:23] Voice 16: this next fiscal year and to hopefully address the question that trustee patrick has brought up in

[0:55:30] Voice 16: that are we going to take this on or is the crd going to take this on so i do believe that this

[0:55:35] Voice 16: upcoming year is important for swipa as a whole okay

[0:55:42] Voice 4: thank you if i may through the chair yes

[0:55:44] Voice 4: the work has already been done we have protected the groundwater crd and mot already have to be

[0:55:57] Voice 4: dealt with prior to any new building construction the work's already done we don't have a problem

[0:56:07] Voice 4: with lack of water here or um contamination of water we we need to you know there's some

[0:56:16] Voice 4: great comments from the survey i love them i love the one i'd like to get back in your lane islands

[0:56:23] Voice 4: trust and out of people's rights and wallets we don't need to have our noses in the water business

[0:56:28] Voice 4: we've proven that we can waste time and money for a decade or close to a decade with no real

[0:56:36] Voice 4: deliverables here so again i would definitely not be supporting this the water's already protected

[0:56:43] Voice 4: thank

[0:56:46] Voice 10: you for that um i'll just uh make a couple of comments here um

[0:56:53] uh

[0:56:55] Voice 10: one of the one of the things i heard you say trustee harris was about rainwater catchment

[0:57:01] Voice 10: and uh it's my understanding that although that's permissible for individual households

[0:57:08] Voice 10: um one of my concerns is that as soon as it's a multi-family situation then way of rainwater

[0:57:16] Voice 10: catchment is is not allowed by island health and that specifically in the context of um from my my

[0:57:27] Voice 10: sort of creative thought here is is in the context of of housing and and um what i've been hearing

[0:57:34] Voice 10: clearly from from both the local trustees is that provision of additional especially workforce

[0:57:40] Voice 10: forest housing is a big concern um given that as soon as we move to a multi-family

[0:57:48] Voice 10: uh dwelling then the rainwater catchment is no longer permissible under island health rules

[0:57:56] Voice 10: that so that just sort of concerns me a little bit there um the other thing and i'll admit this

[0:58:03] Voice 10: is uh i'm on a learning curve here because i i'm struggling to grasp exactly how the multiple

[0:58:10] Voice 10: called water districts on salt spring uh work and and or or don't work together um and it the

[0:58:22] Voice 10: i believe it's the north um the north salt spring one district that has the moratorium

[0:58:30] Voice 10: on new connections and that that has had some impact on both the ganges village planning

[0:58:39] Voice 10: and consideration of densification for housing purposes and so i guess what i'm trying to say

[0:58:48] Voice 10: is is that i'm i'm feeling cautious about um pulling the plug on swip at this moment

[0:58:55] Voice 10: because i personally don't feel like i have a really clear understanding of what the potential

[0:59:02] Voice 10: the potential impacts of doing this at this point are vis-a-vis water and how that might negatively impact aspirations to more workforce housing.

[0:59:18] Voice 10: So I'm feeling cautious about supporting the dissolution of SWPA at this moment.

[0:59:27] Voice 10: So that's just a little bit about where I'm coming from.

[0:59:30] Voice 10: and was glad to hear that uh trustee patrick has a proposal in mind to reduce the tax reduction

[0:59:38] Voice 10: by 32 000 that's a pretty considerable reduction it's it's it's not quite half but it's it's pretty

[0:59:45] Voice 10: considerable uh reduction and uh i'm not presupposing that it makes you feel more

[0:59:52] Voice 10: comfortable that that that the uh requisition would be 43 500 instead of 75. i mean if you

[0:59:59] Voice 10: You completely don't.

[1:00:00] Voice 10: don't support it at all I I get that um but and I'm I I feel that it's like it's a more modest

[1:00:08] Voice 10: proposal from my point of view this point about the Piers Island thing is something that's not

[1:00:14] Voice 10: within the control of the local um trust committee at this point uh almost every local trust area has

[1:00:23] Voice 10: has associated islands and we don't have any mechanism to tax just from parts of them for

[1:00:31] Voice 10: these special tax requisitions which is unfortunate because it does mean that some people are paying

[1:00:39] Voice 10: or potentially it can mean that some people are paying for services that they don't don't enjoy

[1:00:44] Voice 10: however i would also suggest that's not entirely uncommon in taxation regime regimes uh certainly

[1:00:54] Voice 10: on my island we pay for a a hospital tax uh to a hospital that it's incredibly difficult for us to

[1:01:03] Voice 10: access physically um but we still pay those taxes and and it's just one of the many sort of things

[1:01:10] Voice 10: that should be sorted out at happy uh anyway those are my thoughts uh so i just wanted to share that

[1:01:16] Voice 10: and uh would you like to say something i would love to say

[1:01:20] Voice 4: something in response to concerns

[1:01:22] Voice 4: about the rainwater catchment and workforce housing yeah i hear what you're saying as far

[1:01:30] Voice 4: as the water moratorium goes if if workforce housing projects were going to be wanting to

[1:01:39] Voice 4: take water from the Maxwell watershed there's that's a whole other argument there's a whole

[1:01:48] Voice 4: other argument to be made there about do we have enough water studies have shown that yes there's

[1:01:52] Voice 4: more than enough water and the brakes have been put on and things have been said regarding the

[1:01:59] Voice 4: amount of water up there that are arguable so that's just regarding workforce housing that

[1:02:06] Voice 4: would be put in somewhere where they would that's where they would be taking their water from

[1:02:13] Voice 4: in a common sense world a workforce housing project would be built somewhere where we know

[1:02:20] Voice 4: there's water we know where there's water on salt spring the south section of the island

[1:02:24] Voice 4: we can drill and there's traditionally lots of water it's well known throughout the construction

[1:02:29] Voice 4: community the north end not so it's a different geological base up there sandstone and south end

[1:02:37] Voice 4: being fractured granted there's more than enough water as far as also with what we have now with

[1:02:47] Voice 4: gray water systems and where we don't um you know we can multi-dwelling units can

[1:02:57] Voice 4: utilize gray water to lessen the amount of water they're using um for the usage of the places so i

[1:03:08] Voice 4: I don't see that as something that we need SWPA to be involved with.

[1:03:14] Voice 4: I think as an LTC, we can still even go to the province

[1:03:18] Voice 4: and look at things like possibly the province using statutory immunity

[1:03:23] Voice 4: to lift the moratorium because it seems that there is actually

[1:03:28] Voice 4: more than enough water in the Maxwell watershed.

[1:03:31] Voice 4: It's beautiful, pristine.

[1:03:32] Voice 4: It's got lots of water coming down every year.

[1:03:37] Voice 4: possibly some tanks could be put up there and the um to be filled in the winter months when

[1:03:45] Voice 4: there's an excess because clearly we have an excess of water again we're fighting water here

[1:03:48] Voice 4: most of the time there's not a shortage um and again the crd is already involved so i don't see

[1:04:00] Voice 4: how us being involved is helping the matter in any way shape or form so i'm still don't support

[1:04:07] Voice 4: okay i don't think it's going to affect workforce housing one bit if anything sorry

[1:04:13] Voice 4: that it's actually hampering workforce housing um initiatives because we're spending time staff

[1:04:24] Voice 4: time and money which could be better utilized doing added zoning which i would like to talk

[1:04:30] Voice 4: about and um leave it around i forget what we said i can't point out or something

[1:04:36] Voice 4: I'll leave

[1:04:36] Voice 10: it there I don't support this okay thank you uh trustee Patrick well

[1:04:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): um

[1:04:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): trustee Harris I'm happy to sit down and walk you through uh all the work that is being proposed in

[1:04:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): the strategic plan and it is numerous work that is ongoing to understand on understand all the

[1:04:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): different watersheds and it's not just about human consumption it's about water being present

[1:05:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): in the system for the system to function as well are you know the forests the streams and

[1:05:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): all of that and it is multi-jurisdictional and complex and that's not going away the other issue

[1:05:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): is while we think there may be plenty of water today things are changing i think you can go up

[1:05:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the sunshine coast and see what happened with their reservoir going dry this past year

[1:05:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know people are worried and they're not just worried it is climate change is showing an impact

[1:05:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): and we have work to do to be prepared and move forward um and uh like i said it's more the

[1:05:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): governance of how that could be straightened out and we'll hopefully make that a priority for this

[1:05:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): next year and get that done um so i don't know if you're ready chair i'm happy to make the motion

[1:05:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): and we can carry on debate certainly go ahead

[1:05:57] Voice 11: i'll

[1:05:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): move that the salt spring island local trust

[1:06:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): committee requests that the trust council include a special tax requisition of 43 500 in the 2023-24

[1:06:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): budget to fund the ongoing collaboration work of the salt spring island watershed protection alliance

[1:06:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): and the request for decision titled salt spring island water sustainability special property tax

[1:06:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): tax requisition before it is a trust council

[1:06:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): for consideration.

[1:06:25] Voice 10: Okay, so moved.

[1:06:27] Voice 10: I was going to go ahead and second it on the premise

[1:06:31] Voice 10: that I don't think you are going to sir.

[1:06:33] Voice 10: Is there any further discussion on this item?

[1:06:37] Voice 10: I would love to just

[1:06:38] Voice 4: respond to what Laura said.

[1:06:40] Voice 4: Go ahead and trustee Patrick through the chair of MA

[1:06:43] Voice 4: trustee Patrick said in the last comment before the motion

[1:06:47] Voice 4: about concerns and about it being complex

[1:06:51] Voice 4: complex and and I just have to firmly disagree it's not as complex as how it's being made out

[1:07:00] Voice 4: locals have been working here for Generations know where the water is and where it isn't and

[1:07:07] Voice 4: we're fighting the water for most of the year and it's not a shortage we don't have to work

[1:07:14] Voice 4: it's not like the sunshine coast here it's uh we're not going to run out of water and any we

[1:07:21] Voice 4: already have areas where we know there's a shortage of water and it has been developed there

[1:07:27] Voice 4: and people make out just fine they can have water delivered they they know how to

[1:07:35] Voice 4: conserve water because they don't have the groundwater in that area and traditionally

[1:07:40] Voice 4: never have so clearly we're not going to put a workforce housing project somewhere like that

[1:07:47] Voice 4: and that's not even up to us to decide all we can do is facilitate zoning that will allow

[1:07:56] Voice 4: developers to put in workforce housing and we can also stipulate that it's covenanted for

[1:08:02] Voice 4: workforce housing any added zoning that we need so you know we don't have to worry about more

[1:08:07] Voice 4: market housing because of our facilitation of workforce housing projects. Again, I really want

[1:08:15] Voice 4: to emphasize that it's not as complex as what it's being made out to be and I see it as an exercise

[1:08:23] Voice 4: and more regulation being brought down upon the community in the guise of this complex water

[1:08:35] Voice 4: issue where we're all going to, you know, die of thirst as we're, you know, crawling our way

[1:08:42] Voice 4: through a desert with one drop of water left in the canteen or something. It's just, nothing could

[1:08:47] Voice 4: be further from the truth. I'll leave it there before I get too long. Okay. Thank you, Trustee

[1:08:53] Voice 4: Harris.

[1:08:54] Voice 9: Anything further, Trustee Patrick? Go ahead.

[1:08:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, as I will be supporting this based on,

[1:09:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): like I said, it is complex and that we are far more efficient when we work together.

[1:09:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): And the strategic plan has been and should be a model for how we work in cooperation with the

[1:09:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): other agencies on matters that we all have our fingers in. So I think it's a good step in the

[1:09:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): right direction. And I wish it was complete and had all the four logos on it today. But I think

[1:09:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're very close thank

[1:09:29] Voice 10: you for that uh so i'll just comment that uh no further to my earlier

[1:09:33] Voice 10: comments um in uh this this situation where uh i think there from my point of view there's some

[1:09:43] Voice 10: complexity in terms of my understanding of water on salt spring in terms of the different districts

[1:09:51] Voice 10: and how this works i'm not clear uh there there's a new uh salt spring entity that's going to be

[1:09:59] Voice 10: elected in april or may the l is it the llc or the lcc and i'm not clear uh whether that's going

[1:10:07] Voice 10: to have some impact um on how these issues are dealt with so um i'm inclined to support this

[1:10:18] Voice 10: this proposal I'm happy to see that trustee Patrick has has uh uh found a way to reduce

[1:10:24] Voice 10: it fairly substantially and just from a precautionary point of view uh I'm inclined

[1:10:30] Voice 10: to support trustee

[1:10:32] Voice 4: Harris thank you um with just from hearing what you're saying about how you're

[1:10:36] Voice 4: not clear and not really understanding I don't I don't understand how you could how this could be

[1:10:43] Voice 4: you could support this and vote on something so critical and maybe this needs to be delayed until

[1:10:49] Voice 4: you can become clear because if you don't understand it fully how can you go and support

[1:10:54] Voice 4: something like this it's very important to be clear and understand we still haven't i asked

[1:11:03] Voice 4: last time before we voted on anything like this if we could go to the watershed and see

[1:11:09] Voice 4: you agree and that

[1:11:12] Voice 14: hasn't happened yes yes it hasn't happened

[1:11:13] Voice 4: maybe we can do that before and

[1:11:15] Voice 4: delay this because i really would i think for the community and for up for the community to

[1:11:23] Voice 4: want to get behind you as a chair would love to see you saying well yes i'm 100 clear you just

[1:11:30] Voice 4: stated that you're not clear on what's really going on with the water and with that how can

[1:11:35] Voice 4: you possibly um mr chair vote in favor of something that you're not clear on um i will

[1:11:41] Voice 4: never understand that and i hope we could delay this at the very least until we can go and visit

[1:11:49] Voice 4: and uh and you can see how fine in the shape our watershed is in yeah thank

[1:11:56] Voice 10: you for that um

[1:11:57] Voice 10: my understanding is that we don't really have um we don't really have another opportunity to meet

[1:12:11] Voice 10: before the budget discussion in march uh i

[1:12:16] Voice 6: believe that is that correct staff chair we are uh on a on

[1:12:20] Voice 6: a deadline i have begged for and stolen favors uh to get us to this date um given the the timing of

[1:12:27] of everything uh and if this

[1:12:30] Voice 6: meeting was later in february this would have been or i guess this

[1:12:34] Voice 6: meeting happened in january um it would have been more ideal so um yeah we do uh to make a decision

[1:12:42] one way or the other today in order to get um our decision first to the financial planning committee

[1:12:49] and then trust council um in order to incorporate this into next year's budget

[1:12:56] uh

[1:12:57] Voice 6: or not um depending on on how uh trust decides okay

[1:13:01] Voice 4: thank you for that trustee here through the

[1:13:04] Voice 4: chair if i may with that being said i don't understand how again with you're not being

[1:13:09] Voice 4: completely clear on the water issue here and there's not enough time to see how can we possibly

[1:13:16] Voice 4: possibly approve this? Just because, well, there's not enough time, we have to approve it.

[1:13:22] Voice 4: It's a real miscarriage of, you know, taxpayers' dollars and trust. How do we, you know, keep

[1:13:31] Voice 4: credibility with them passing motions based on unclarity and the fact that there's not enough

[1:13:40] Voice 4: enough time why can we not put this off then until next year what are the deliverables going to be

[1:13:47] Voice 4: we've you know it's been 10 years already so I have a huge problem with this going forward after

[1:13:55] Voice 4: hearing what Mr. Chair Peterson has stated about his unclarity on the issue and and then the

[1:14:04] Voice 4: comments from Planning Manager Hutton that there's just not enough time so this is something

[1:14:10] Voice 4: it definitely cannot be rushed okay uh trustee

[1:14:16] Voice 8: patrick well

[1:14:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): we don't control our money this is

[1:14:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): not the final decision the decisions made by trust council we don't control a dime so this this all

[1:14:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): this does is progress this to the march trust council uh budget process for 23 24. okay thank

[1:14:49] Voice 4: um with not being clear if the chair isn't clear how can it be supported if there's not enough time

[1:14:56] Voice 4: and then to bring it on to trust council and spend more time and energy on it

[1:15:03] Voice 4: this should be an ltc matter first and foremost and i i don't see how this can be supported um

[1:15:13] Voice 4: by i don't know if i can say this or not by chair peterson because of this so i i don't think it

[1:15:22] Voice 4: sends a a good message to the community in any way shape or form and for that reason i will

[1:15:28] Voice 4: definitely not be in support of this motion or in support of um i will definitely have concerns

[1:15:36] Voice 4: as i've said about chair peterson passing it with his previous comments about not being clear

[1:15:40] Voice 4: and understanding the issues okay

[1:15:43] Voice 10: thank you for that um and uh i would also add that of course

[1:15:48] Voice 10: uh when this comes to trust council you'd have an opportunity to uh to risk out trust council

[1:15:54] Voice 10: under thoughts with it assuming that we pass it today um as far as uh my comments and your

[1:16:02] Voice 10: your comments earlier um uh i guess the way i'm seeing this is that uh there's been an ongoing

[1:16:08] Voice 10: program and my understanding is that it's sort of at a at a point of evolution and it's not clear

[1:16:22] Voice 10: to me that this is the time to to stop the funding of this program and so I guess my approach would

[1:16:35] Voice 10: be um essentially precautionary um and uh you know i i absolutely there's complexity on how the water

[1:16:49] Voice 10: how the water districting goes on on salt spring that that i i don't fully understand how the

[1:16:55] Voice 10: all the districts work uh how how they work how they um work together or not so well at

[1:17:02] Voice 10: sometimes i i it's definitely an area where i need to uh to learn more about that uh but given that

[1:17:09] Voice 10: there are multiple districts and this is uh uh as i understand as a sort of a coordinating body

[1:17:17] Voice 10: um i'm inclined to support the continuation of it at this point um so that's i hope that gives

[1:17:27] Voice 10: you a little bit of clarity uh of my position um i think that if the if the situation was uh

[1:17:36] Voice 10: um that we were talking about uh uh creating this uh when there hadn't been one i think in

[1:17:44] Voice 10: the absence of more information i would stick with the status quo in that case uh

[1:17:48] Voice 6: but that that's you

[1:17:50] Voice 6: know that's sort of the flip the flip of the situation which is not the one we're

[1:17:54] Voice 10: in um

[1:17:56] Voice 10: i don't know if that uh it helps you to understand my reasoning at all but um

[1:18:03] Voice 10: that's that's what what it is at this point yes

[1:18:08] Voice 4: well i would hope that um you would reconsider

[1:18:12] Voice 4: being again this has gone on for so long and uh what are the real deliverables here other

[1:18:17] Voice 4: than spending a huge amount of staff time and taxpayers dollars uh and um and we certainly

[1:18:25] Voice 4: Certainly, what are the deliverables going to be here?

[1:18:28] Voice 4: We just don't have it.

[1:18:29] Voice 4: This is something that has been mentioned in the governance review about, you know,

[1:18:34] Voice 4: they want to see measurable, something measurable coming from LTCs.

[1:18:40] Voice 4: And this SWIPA has been a great exercise in showing how we cannot show anything measurable.

[1:18:50] Voice 4: So, again, we have big issues looming.

[1:18:56] Voice 4: and we really need to direct staff time and resources uh towards that and and this is uh

[1:19:03] Voice 4: definitely um counterintuitive to these issues that we have and i'll just solidify or

[1:19:10] Voice 4: push further my concerns um so respectfully mr chair with your um not being clear on what's

[1:19:18] Voice 4: happening with with water issues here and have not being up to the watershed to see how pristine and

[1:19:26] Voice 4: beautiful and protected it already is i think i have sent some maps to you showing um what is

[1:19:34] Voice 4: already protected here on the island and with that i really would uh i would hope you would

[1:19:39] Voice 4: take that into consideration um before um making your final decision here regarding

[1:19:46] Voice 4: this tax requisition and i'm fully not in support of this okay thank you for that uh trustee patrick

[1:19:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): well trustee harris i couldn't agree with you more on the performance based and that's why i

[1:20:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): pushed for the years i did to get this strategic plan it is going to be a performance-based

[1:20:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): strategic plan and very clear with the objectives um and goals and the work that needs to be done

[1:20:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): so uh every program should have and like i said i think this is going to become a model

[1:20:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): um of what our program should have in place okay

[1:20:28] Voice 8: um

[1:20:29] Voice 10: is there anything further

[1:20:31] Voice 10: um that hasn't been said that uh either trustee would like to say well thank you mr chair okay

[1:20:39] Voice 10: um that given the case uh i'm gonna call the question um all those in favor any opposed

[1:20:50] Voice 10: okay so that function carries and uh that moves us on to section nine which is new business um

[1:21:02] Voice 21: yes

[1:21:04] Voice 10: two minutes right sure certainly um let's call a two-minute recess then yes

[1:25:16] Voice 15: okay thank

[1:25:50] Voice 10: you everyone um so we're back into uh section 9.1 new business

[1:26:00] Voice 10: and the first item is uh the north pender island local trust committee referral proposed bylaw

[1:26:06] Voice 10: 2 32 for consideration staff going to present anything on this nothing really to share uh this

[1:26:16] Voice 6: is a pretty straightforward just common policy that's our local trust area of orders the north

[1:26:21] ender uh local trust area uh their consideration by law they appointed policy uh they have referred

[1:26:28] this to us um yeah it's a fairly straightforward amendments to their land use bylaws and uh

[1:26:38] staff don't

[1:26:38] Voice 6: receive any attacks to the salt creek

[1:26:41] Voice 10: local trust

[1:26:42] Voice 10: area okay any questions on this

[1:26:47] Voice 10: from trustees no thank you nope okay so uh uh oh sorry trustee patrick go ahead well

[1:26:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): no i i was

[1:26:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): chair of north pender when this uh made its way through the local trust committee there so it's

[1:27:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): it is a minor uh changes to uh uh the strata on on sydney island to accommodate you know they just

[1:27:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): didn't have trailers isn't allowed use so and uh i'm prepared uh i'm happy to make the motion

[1:27:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh i move that the salt spring island uh trust committee respond to north pender

[1:27:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): local trust area bylaw number three two three two that their interests are not affected

[1:27:34] Voice 9: okay thank you so moved seconded by trustee harris any further discussion

[1:27:39] Voice 10: I'll call the question, all those in favor, none opposed,

[1:27:44] Voice 10: the motion carries.

[1:27:46] Voice 10: So that brings us on to 9.1.2,

[1:27:49] Voice 10: the Saanich Inlet Roundtable for discussion.

[1:27:52] Voice 10: Who's leading off on this?

[1:27:58] Voice 6: Mr. Chair, I'm happy to put this to Trustee Patrick.

[1:28:07] Voice 11: Okay, Trustee Patrick.

[1:28:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, I did. I know when we were doing appointments to various committees and so forth, I had raised this one and staff initially said that an appointment wasn't made, but I did find the resolution where an appointment was made last term.

[1:28:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): us and and the reason for this is that it costs money to get to these meetings uh Saanich Island

[1:28:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): um Saanich Inlet Roundtable meets approximately four times a year uh generally in either Saanich

[1:28:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): or Brentwood Bay uh and um I was appointed last time and uh I guess I'd be looking for

[1:28:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): unless there's someone else that's expressed interest in attending I think it is a value

[1:28:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): you Saanich Inlet uh this local trust committee has a jurisdiction all the way down to the

[1:29:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): very southern tip of the Saanich Inlet so it is an important area and it's a good group to

[1:29:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): stay informed and working with okay

[1:29:13] Voice 10: thank you for that trustee do you have any uh thoughts on

[1:29:16] Voice 10: the Saanich Inlet round table and uh the possibility of appointing uh trustee Patrick

[1:29:24] Voice 10: or unless you or yourself are interested i'm um

[1:29:27] Voice 4: thank you through the chair

[1:29:30] Voice 4: i'm not interested in speaking at the round table just

[1:29:38] Voice 11: look at that okay um

[1:29:41] Voice 10: so we would

[1:29:44] Voice 10: need a resolution then uh to appoint trustee patrick um okay so

[1:29:56] Voice 10: uh do you have anything prepared

[1:30:00] Voice 9: for us by chance laura no

[1:30:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry i did i did have the previous motion i had sent to staff but i

[1:30:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't have that in front of me at this moment but i can i can wing it if you want uh

[1:30:09] Voice 19: well i have

[1:30:10] Voice 19: oh the

[1:30:11] Voice 10: staff staff has something drafted here super uh

[1:30:15] Voice 19: it would be that the salzburg

[1:30:16] Voice 19: local trust committee appoints trustee patrick to attend the sandage inlet roundtable meetings in

[1:30:21] Voice 19: 2023 and that expenses okay

[1:30:27] Voice 9: did you did you hear that uh trustee patrick i

[1:30:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): i did do we want to do

[1:30:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): an annual appointment or just for the term of

[1:30:39] Voice 9: staff advice or thoughts uh so that's i i take

[1:30:47] Voice 9: it that uh that do you have a thought on that trustee patrick well

[1:30:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): just last time it was just

[1:30:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the term i mean it's it was hard to say because we lost a lot of meetings due to the

[1:30:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): pandemic so i don't know how often they're going to meet

[1:31:00] Voice 8: sure okay so

[1:31:03] Voice 19: it would be that the salt

[1:31:05] Voice 19: ground local testimony appoints trustee patrick to attend the sandwich inlet roundtable meetings

[1:31:09] Voice 19: and the expenses be covered

[1:31:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay i so move all

[1:31:16] Voice 10: right uh do you have a second here

[1:31:20] Voice 10: okay i'll go ahead and second that uh so that's moved and seconded um any further discussion on

[1:31:26] Voice 10: the motion trustee

[1:31:29] Voice 4: harris please i just i won't support this um i again i think this is uh this

[1:31:39] Voice 4: is sort of indicative of what's been going on for decades with the yams trust and especially

[1:31:44] Voice 4: in salt spring i feel that other governmental agencies are more than well equipped to

[1:31:51] Voice 4: deal with that area and it doesn't we shouldn't be um involved there that's what my feelings

[1:31:59] Voice 4: things that matter so i

[1:32:00] Voice 5: won't be supportive okay thank you uh trustee patrick well

[1:32:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): i don't disagree

[1:32:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): with trustee harris that there's other areas that should be covering this albeit that is we have

[1:32:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): this jurisdiction it has been appointed to us and we have responsibilities for this area and

[1:32:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): therefore we have to work in collaboration with all the other parties um that that are there and

[1:32:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): And this round table is just a way of keeping us aware

[1:32:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): of what's going on.

[1:32:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that's the primary function of this.

[1:32:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): This is not a decision-making body.

[1:32:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): It is an information body.

[1:32:38] Voice 4: Thank you, Trustee Harris.

[1:32:40] Voice 4: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:32:43] Voice 4: And thank you, Trustee Patrick,

[1:32:44] Voice 4: for saying this isn't a decision-making body.

[1:32:48] Voice 4: Even more reason for this not to be happening.

[1:32:51] Voice 4: And this could be something,

[1:32:53] Voice 4: maybe a way we can start doing things

[1:32:56] Voice 4: is maybe putting efforts where decisions can be made um so uh and and again as a it's not a

[1:33:07] Voice 4: decision-making body other governmental agencies will be the ones making the decision so i don't

[1:33:12] Voice 4: see the need for us to be spending um time resources on such um activities

[1:33:20] Voice 5: so i again

[1:33:22] Voice 5: Again, just we don't support this.

[1:33:24] Voice 5: Okay, thank you for that.

[1:33:26] Voice 9: Anything further trustees?

[1:33:30] Voice 10: Not seeing any hands up.

[1:33:33] Voice 10: So I'm going to go ahead and call the question.

[1:33:35] Voice 10: All those in favor and any opposed?

[1:33:41] Voice 10: Okay, so that motion carries.

[1:33:44] Voice 10: This brings us on to 9.13.

[1:33:49] Voice 10: three um and which is the bc fairies performance uh term six comment period we have some notes from

[1:34:02] Voice 10: uh trustee patrick and i have some concurrence from the local trust uh committee members um to uh

[1:34:12] Voice 10: give david courtney a couple minutes to address this item as well would you like to start trustee

[1:34:18] Voice 10: patrick oh

[1:34:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh sure um i know it was i i brought this forward um when i had initially heard that

[1:34:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): the the comment period was open for uh performance term six i was like you know not not a big issue

[1:34:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): to look at but we did write the letter to the minister uh just about just a year ago uh

[1:34:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): identifying the significant issues that we're seeing in our terminals and the impacts that

[1:34:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's having on the community. But it's also the realization that this is about jointly being

[1:34:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): involved in the community planning. I'd say both the BC Ferries and the Islands Trust has been a

[1:35:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): bit guilty. We've been following what's happening or reacting to what's happening. And this is our

[1:35:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): our opportunity to actually look at what's happening and plan on what's happening um and

[1:35:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): the ferries are intimately involved in um in what's happening in our islands and um and i think

[1:35:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is is an opportunity to to issue a letter to the ferry commissioner will it have an impact

[1:35:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): no but i think it is it's important to say it that you know if we keep behaving the way we are

[1:35:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): of just reacting to things uh nothing's ever going to change i think it's time just to point that out

[1:35:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the ferry commissioner that there needs to be change we the ferries need to be involved and work

[1:35:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): with us in community planning and that's what this is about okay

[1:35:48] Voice 9: thank you for that um trustee harris

[1:35:52] Voice 9: do you have any

[1:35:52] Voice 10: comment on this end i

[1:35:57] Voice 4: would like to comment uh mr chair that uh i agree something

[1:36:01] Voice 4: definitely needs to be done with uh the ferry access service access to the ferry service

[1:36:07] Voice 4: at Palfrey, well, mostly at Vesuvius and Palfrey area.

[1:36:12] Voice 4: So that's it.

[1:36:14] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[1:36:15] Voice 10: And so trustees, are we ready to hear from David Corkney

[1:36:18] Voice 10: for a couple of minutes now?

[1:36:21] Voice 10: Yes, please.

[1:36:22] Voice 22: Please go ahead, sir.

[1:36:24] Voice 22: Thank you.

[1:36:26] Voice 22: Laura, I saw the paragraph that you wrote

[1:36:29] Voice 22: and staff is going to present as far as the submission goes.

[1:36:33] Voice 22: but i think really um i've encouraged basically the mayor of north cowichan

[1:36:40] Voice 22: with regards to the service on route 6 and the crofton terminal to write basically

[1:36:47] Voice 22: a situation that we agree with the two ferry service and the increase in infrastructure

[1:36:54] Voice 22: at both crofton and vesuvius but we need to backstop that and when you take a look at

[1:37:00] Voice 22: fulford we're nowhere and i've encouraged both our crd director uh the chair of the ferry advisory

[1:37:07] Voice 22: committee to basically go forward and pull what the people want you know we have trustee lamb here

[1:37:15] Voice 22: today former trustee lamb they did a study in 2008 that's 15 years ago on the fulford village what

[1:37:23] Voice 22: the people of fulford village want and here we are 15 years later and we're we're not going to make

[1:37:29] Voice 22: comment on part six and we're going to be another 12 15 years before fulford gets fixed we need to

[1:37:38] Voice 22: fix fulford we need to give the people of fulford village their village back for one thing as far as

[1:37:44] Voice 22: the official community plan goes and we need to stop this business of traffic gridlock and the

[1:37:51] Voice 22: public safety issue it presents and i'll stop it there but i would like to go for three minutes

[1:37:58] Voice 22: on a fix thank you oh

[1:38:02] Voice 5: thank you for that sir um anything

[1:38:06] Voice 10: further on on this uh section

[1:38:10] Voice 10: trustees i i know that you have a draft resolution here

[1:38:14] Voice 9: trustee patrick uh go ahead yeah

[1:38:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): no um uh

[1:38:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): this my notes are not the letter um all we're doing is asking staff to write a letter my notes

[1:38:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): could be used to write that letter or to you know so it's a letter will be drafted for the chair

[1:38:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): um and but i think i think generally we're saying the same thing that

[1:38:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): community planning and ferry terminals are intimately involved uh or intertwined and um

[1:38:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): but yet the systems are are not and that uh so this is more or less a political statement

[1:38:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): statement that it's time to change. And that's how I've interpreted it. So I'm prepared to make

[1:38:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): this motion. I'll just warn Sarah Sugar, I was going to add a few words at the very end of it,

[1:39:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): which will make sense to you when I get there. So I'll just read it and you can capture those

[1:39:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): extra words. I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare

[1:39:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): a letter from the chair of Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee to the BC Ferry Commissioner

[1:39:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): and copy the Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure,

[1:39:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): requesting BC Ferries work in partnership

[1:39:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): with Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[1:39:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): to link ferry terminal and service planning

[1:39:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): to proactive community planning

[1:39:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): that supports sustainable growth

[1:39:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): within the mandate of the Islands Trust.

[1:39:35] Voice 10: Captured that.

[1:39:37] Voice 10: So Mo, do I have a second for that?

[1:39:41] Voice 10: Yeah, second.

[1:39:42] Voice 10: Okay, Trustee Harris seconds that.

[1:39:44] Voice 9: Any further discussion on this resolution?

[1:39:46] Voice 9: okay i'm not seeing any so i'll go ahead and call the

[1:39:51] Voice 10: question all those in favor

[1:39:54] Voice 10: okay and that motion carries thank you trustees um that brings us on to

[1:40:04] Voice 10: uh the added section 9.14 of the ubcm housing summit and that

[1:40:11] Voice 10: was you trustee

[1:40:12] Voice 10: that was

[1:40:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): me again and i'll start reading what i read earlier now that i'm awake and paying

[1:40:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): attention. So the UBCM is hosting a meeting April 4th to 5th in Vancouver. The conference is designed

[1:40:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): to assist with the identification of solutions to address gaps in current policy, strengthen

[1:40:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): intergovernmental collaboration, and highlight best practices for local government. And one of

[1:40:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): the items that is specifically mentioned as being included is rule in northern challenges and

[1:40:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): and opportunities.

[1:40:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think it would be important to attend this.

[1:40:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): I would like to attend this conference

[1:40:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): and carry on the work that we are doing

[1:40:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): to know what's keeping up with what others are doing

[1:40:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): and to be calling on other levels of government

[1:41:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): to do everything that they can do as well.

[1:41:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): And so that I'm asking that my expenses to travel

[1:41:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): to this conference be covered.

[1:41:11] Voice 11: okay um trustee harris do you have any any thoughts on this what

[1:41:21] Voice 4: oh yes please mr chair um

[1:41:24] Voice 4: trustee patrick what do you what exactly are we going to be getting from your

[1:41:32] Voice 4: attending this conference in regards to uh facilitating um added zoning

[1:41:39] Voice 4: for workforce housing opportunities well

[1:41:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): through the chair um if this is there is no one solution

[1:41:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): to housing all of our communities are are facing this challenge and together we share we learn

[1:41:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): and find things that we maybe we weren't thinking about and uh and we can find approaches and that

[1:42:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's how i look at these i always learn i always come back motivated as well this is a very

[1:42:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): very depressing topic of feeling like we're behind and that the impacts are

[1:42:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): just swallowing us. And like I said,

[1:42:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): these conferences give you hope that there are opportunities for change,

[1:42:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): but also real ideas, real suggestions. And because like I said,

[1:42:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're not alone.

[1:42:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): We will be more efficient if we are trying to solve these issues because it's

[1:42:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): not just our level of government.

[1:42:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): We need multiple level of governments to be making changes to allow these

[1:42:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): these projects just because we fix zoning doesn't bring funding to the table so it's it's all of

[1:42:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): these things have to work together to really change uh what's happening this is being called

[1:42:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): under uh our our um uh minister whatever his name is premier evie uh and uh you know there's a lot

[1:42:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): of commitments and a lot of things coming so there's perhaps opportunities for change to really

[1:43:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): be happening through

[1:43:05] Voice 4: the chair can you assure us that i'm trustee patrick that through this

[1:43:11] Voice 4: we will be working on added zoning and that what your main objective is there is to try and get

[1:43:21] Voice 4: funding um for um for projects um

[1:43:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): again through the chair um i this is a multi-pronged problem

[1:43:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Like we were talking about earlier with water. And there's many things that need to be worked on. And it is keeping up with what's happening and keeping the pressure on the other agencies as well. And so I can't make commitments of this will lead to zoning on Salt Spring.

[1:43:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): there may be other tools other things that we haven't thought about that we could use

[1:44:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it's it's it's a collaborative spirit it's just learning and working with all these other

[1:44:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): other people that's

[1:44:09] Voice 4: here respectfully mr chair and respectfully trustee patrick i really appreciate

[1:44:15] Voice 4: what you're saying about um being um i forget the exact word you used but um being uh motivated

[1:44:26] Voice 4: Maybe it was the word coming from these things

[1:44:30] Voice 4: to try and do something about workforce housing.

[1:44:32] Voice 4: I can't help but notice that in the last four years,

[1:44:39] Voice 4: we haven't had anything really done about added zoning

[1:44:43] Voice 4: for workforce housing.

[1:44:44] Voice 4: We've seen stonewalling and stalling exercises

[1:44:48] Voice 4: and that type of thing, I'm paraphrasing.

[1:44:51] Voice 4: um and i'm very concerned that that this type of thing is just more talk and no action and if we

[1:45:03] Voice 4: it would be really nice to uh to have some commitments um to uh from you to maybe

[1:45:13] Voice 4: be bringing to the table at the round table um you know some commitments that you would be bringing

[1:45:21] Voice 4: the idea that we're very behind some added zoning here on salt spring to um address workforce

[1:45:29] Voice 4: housing and the added zoning would be covenanted for workforce housing to be controlled by the

[1:45:35] Voice 4: housing authority similar to what goes on in whistler or tofino and um and you were hoping to

[1:45:41] Voice 4: maybe just further that and and further that idea there at the round uh trustee patrick

[1:45:52] Voice 4: well

[1:45:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): trustee harris i would encourage you to come to a housing council meeting

[1:45:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): while i shared that it is frustrating on housing it's reassuring to hear from the people working

[1:46:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): on trying to solve housing on this island that i have made a difference the last four years they

[1:46:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): saw a difference in the islands trust on working with them and moving forward on housing projects

[1:46:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): projects and that's from the people who are in the trenches doing the work so you know i don't

[1:46:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): there have been successes but they're not ever good enough and we have so much more work to be

[1:46:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): done and and that's that's how i look at this this is not a boondoggle for me to go over to

[1:46:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): vancouver is not like hey party uh but that's not what i'm asking for this is about collaboration

[1:46:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): with all the various parties that are doing this

[1:46:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): and rolling up our sleeves.

[1:46:50] Voice 10: So I just have a question,

[1:46:53] Voice 10: and I don't know if it will help you at all,

[1:46:59] Voice 10: but I'm just wondering, Trustee Patrick,

[1:47:02] Voice 10: just since essentially your ask is for travel costs,

[1:47:09] Voice 10: can you give us a ballpark on that

[1:47:11] Voice 10: So we have something to chew on over here.

[1:47:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't.

[1:47:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): While they've made the announcement, they have not come out with any further details.

[1:47:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I don't know if there's a cost to attend.

[1:47:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sometimes workshops have costs.

[1:47:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): I always do things as cheaply as I possibly can.

[1:47:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): And so I don't.

[1:47:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): It would be probably one to two nights in a hotel and food.

[1:47:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): And ferry, that's what it would be.

[1:47:49] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:47:50] Voice 4: And thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:47:54] Voice 4: My reluctance isn't due to the monetary aspect of it.

[1:48:02] Voice 4: And as much as I do support this idea,

[1:48:08] Voice 4: I just, I'm making comments

[1:48:13] Voice 4: because you know i i hear her talk of well we need to roll up our sleeves and do all this

[1:48:18] Voice 4: working yet we haven't had any real we can do it right here we can get some added zoning happening

[1:48:27] Voice 4: and and i think time would be much better spent doing that so as much as i support you going

[1:48:32] Voice 4: there i'm just going to not be in support of the motion just as a matter of

[1:48:36] Voice 4: of wanting to have more things done here

[1:48:39] Voice 4: and maybe just to show that on record, but so.

[1:48:46] Voice 4: Okay,

[1:48:46] Voice 10: thank you for that.

[1:48:47] Voice 10: So it's not necessarily the money, is what you're saying?

[1:48:49] Voice 10: Yes. Okay.

[1:48:51] Voice 10: Anything further, Trustee Patrick?

[1:48:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, I didn't put a motion on the floor.

[1:48:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): I guess I seem to be doing motions on my own myself here,

[1:48:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I'll do it.

[1:48:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[1:49:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): approve the expenses of Trustee Patrick's attendance

[1:49:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): attendance at the April 2023 UBCM Housing Summit in Vancouver.

[1:49:11] Voice 10: Okay, so I'm going to be captured that. Okay, wonderful. All right. Okay, that's moved and

[1:49:18] Voice 10: seconded. Anything further on this? Discussion wise? No. Okay, I'll go ahead and call the

[1:49:24] Voice 10: question. All those in favor? Okay, so that motion carries. Thank you for that. So that

[1:49:31] Voice 10: That brings us to item 9.15, OCP amendments

[1:49:37] Voice 10: regarding housing from Trustee Harris.

[1:49:40] Voice 10: Trustee Harris.

[1:49:41] Voice 4: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:49:43] Voice 4: I was hoping to maybe put a motion forward on the fly here

[1:49:50] Voice 4: and I will need help with this

[1:49:52] Voice 4: and maybe we can have some discussion

[1:49:54] Voice 4: or prior or however this is going to work.

[1:49:57] Voice 4: But I would love to hear from staff

[1:50:02] Voice 4: what amendments of the housing section of the OCP

[1:50:08] Voice 4: would be needed in order to affect density change

[1:50:13] Voice 4: anywhere on the island to facilitate,

[1:50:16] Voice 4: fully facilitate opportunities

[1:50:17] Voice 4: for workforce housing projects to initiate.

[1:50:20] Voice 4: I'm not talking about market housing,

[1:50:22] Voice 4: we're talking about covenanted type of zoning

[1:50:29] Voice 4: strictly for workforce housing.

[1:50:35] Voice 15: um stephanie i

[1:50:38] Voice 6: would maybe just preface it let's say that uh i i want to say that i really

[1:50:43] Voice 6: appreciate um hearing this this direction in this form uh because it's really something that we can

[1:50:50] we can work with something that we're already doing um the impending ocp amendment intended to

[1:50:57] address um housing so uh and that's that's the business case that uh we presented to lpc that

[1:51:05] this is going to be primarily focused on addressing housing um when it comes to what

[1:51:11] specific policies um stand in the way of housing getting built um whether it be market or non-market

[1:51:18] housing including workforce housing um that's that's something that can certainly fit within

[1:51:23] in that project um at this time where we that budget has been approved uh you know our planner

[1:51:30] garbo has started uh the work of drafting that project charter which will be brought forward to

[1:51:36] uh

[1:51:36] Voice 6: this committee um so the project charter laid out in more detail the work that we're going to

[1:51:41] Voice 6: do you need very specific ideas of what we're going to do with it you know some degree of

[1:51:45] Voice 6: flexibility obviously as a as a publicly involved policy process goes forward we need to be a little

[1:51:51] Voice 6: bit adaptable but um so i think it's i would suggest that the best approach may be to request

[1:51:59] Voice 6: uh that uh that staff uh incorporate um workforce housing considerations in the development of the

[1:52:07] project charter and identify a path towards achieving that um and what that does is give

[1:52:12] us an opportunity to really um discuss um what what did the first housing truly mean

[1:52:18] in on salt spring island and what legislative tools exist to do

[1:52:24] Voice 6: that there are many things

[1:52:25] Voice 6: that we can explore around that that we would love to look at there's probably some some side

[1:52:31] Voice 6: projects we can do around that in terms of the way that we engage with the ministry for example

[1:52:37] of housing and the way that we engage with first nations as well as locally stakeholders so

[1:52:44] both industry, employers, as well as the wider public

[1:52:47] Voice 6: on what is needed here in terms of workforce

[1:52:52] Voice 6: and ensuring that we have stable housing for workforce.

[1:52:57] Voice 4: So this project charter, what is,

[1:53:01] Voice 4: are you talking about,

[1:53:03] Voice 4: what exactly are you speaking to here?

[1:53:05] Voice 4: You are looking over the whole OCP, is that?

[1:53:07] Voice 4: Yeah,

[1:53:08] Voice 6: Mr. Chair, the work,

[1:53:11] Voice 6: the project charter really charts out

[1:53:13] it's typically where we'll set out the the purpose of the project uh so we've gotten a business case

[1:53:20] that has been essentially the argument to uh to this ltc to approve to say the trust council we

[1:53:28] would like uh

[1:53:28] Voice 6: this budget to proceed with the ocp so that sort of outlined the high level

[1:53:33] Voice 6: aspects but this gets into the details of how we're going to find that what actions we're going

[1:53:37] Voice 6: to take how we're going to engage um all of these things that sort of sets out a commitment and it

[1:53:43] Voice 6: also allows us to manage the project going forward so when we say we'll deliver this in this amount

[1:53:47] Voice 6: of time uh at this stage so we may be doing public engagement for a number of months um that'll be

[1:53:54] outlined in that schedule um and you'll see

[1:53:56] Voice 6: that um we'll also break that down by stages so you'll

[1:54:00] Voice 6: see a gantt chart and you'll see a budget you spend money and then budget over the project

[1:54:06] project so but it also laid down the objective um which is an important part of it so the purpose

[1:54:12] of the objective for what we want to achieve and the deliverable so in this case at workforce

[1:54:18] housing depending on on how we structure that project charter good included deliverable that

[1:54:24] says that uh you know the the ocp will

[1:54:28] Voice 6: research and make suggestions regarding how to how to be

[1:54:31] Voice 6: and then how to amend the ocp for uh workforce housing i'm

[1:54:36] Voice 4: a little bit confused mr chair and

[1:54:39] Voice 4: laura we haven't this is still on the table like we haven't agreed to fund a whole ocp revision

[1:54:50] so the business case uh was supported by by the ltc and has gone now to financial planning

[1:54:59] committee that don't need to be approved in the budget for fiscal year 2024 uh and that's what

[1:55:05] we're looking forward to doing uh in order to

[1:55:07] Voice 7: finally proceed with that file on that

[1:55:16] Voice 11: so what i what

[1:55:17] Voice 10: i think i'm hearing from from staff uh trustee harris is that um

[1:55:23] Voice 10: adding the considerations that you're talking about adding uh workforce housing um considerations

[1:55:30] Voice 10: into the project charter is is is the best way to address uh this at this moment uh it's a fair

[1:55:41] Voice 10: summary

[1:55:41] Voice 6: mr chair if i understand correctly the hilarious to see how we can uh address this in

[1:55:47] the ocp uh we can do some some short-term work to explain that but regardless of whether it's

[1:55:53] affordable housing or unapproval housing um in an ocp amendment we'd be looking at the same policy

[1:56:00] sets to

[1:56:01] Voice 6: determine where that is and it's probably done best in the context of that OCP amendment.

[1:56:07] Voice 4: So what I'm hoping to achieve is to find out what amendments will be needed in the housing section

[1:56:13] Voice 4: of the OCP to facilitate workforce housing and is that something that's you know how can we

[1:56:26] Voice 4: speed that process up we don't want to have to deal go through a whole revision of the whole OCP

[1:56:33] Voice 4: can we not focus on the housing section and maybe this can go to trustee patrick again i wasn't for

[1:56:40] Voice 4: some reason unless it was one of the motions that were passed um where i was clearly not happy with

[1:56:46] Voice 4: how it turned out i don't really remember approving a revision of the whole ocp is that

[1:56:52] Voice 4: something that um mr

[1:56:57] Voice 6: chair so maybe um there's the business case was not is not to revise the

[1:57:02] whole ocp enough to review the whole ocp um it essentially covers housing and this forestry thing

[1:57:09] i'm still trying to figure out um if i may mr chair i'm going to comment um typically in a

[1:57:15] project process

[1:57:16] Voice 6: like an ocp one of the first steps um we get we get to the point of amending the ocp

[1:57:22] Voice 6: uh whether it's in a small way or in a large way um small scales with you by by seeing the same

[1:57:30] Voice 6: problems over and over again and everyone sort of agreeing this is working so we need to investigate

[1:57:35] Voice 6: this issue that's where we're at now saying that you know this this ocp should be revised in order

[1:57:40] Voice 6: to address housing right so as ocps typically proceed one of the first steps is to look at that

[1:57:48] what exactly is wrong here um so in this case what's wrong with housing policy or what's not

[1:57:54] working and as LTC we're looking for you to find

[1:57:58] Voice 6: that like so we do a technical review of policies

[1:58:04] Voice 6: look at applications what is development like where is development going and is that the right

[1:58:09] Voice 6: place those are the kinds of things that go into a background review and that helps to inform LTC

[1:58:13] Voice 6: and as we go forward if we hire contractors that that background really serves as well as the

[1:58:19] Voice 6: community to sort of enforce that what the problem is we can address it mr

[1:58:25] Voice 4: chair

[1:58:29] Voice 4: so what i'm asking is that we i would like to hear from staff and i'm hoping to get agreement from

[1:58:36] Voice 4: trustee patrick is that we would like to know what amendments of the housing section of the

[1:58:46] Voice 4: the current OCP wouldn't be needed in order to affect

[1:58:54] Voice 4: density change anywhere on the island.

[1:58:57] Voice 4: Okay,

[1:58:58] Voice 10: thank you for that.

[1:58:59] Voice 10: And I think I'm going to go to trustee Patrick for a moment

[1:59:04] Voice 10: and then I'll come back.

[1:59:06] Voice 10: Trustee Patrick, go ahead please.

[1:59:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): The project charter is going to be our opportunity

[1:59:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): to affect what exactly?

[1:59:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): so we we put put staff in a box if that makes sense we are explicit about what our expectations

[1:59:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): are for the project um it's i would hope that you know we're going to see a draft project charter

[1:59:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): in march if that would be a question to staff is that what's expected um and that's um uh

[1:59:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know i i would have been i'm i'm hearing staffers saying they want a motion of asking

[1:59:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): that they look at that.

[1:59:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm a little, I'm surprised to say

[1:59:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we have to do that.

[1:59:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): But if we have to do that,

[1:59:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): I absolutely support saying

[1:59:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): we want to focus on workforce housing

[1:59:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): as one of the items.

[1:59:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): But my expectation was.

[2:00:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the OCP review was focused on primarily on housing-related issues in a broad sense,

[2:00:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): but including workforce housing as well. But like I said, I guess my question to staff is,

[2:00:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): would we see the project charter in March? And this is our opportunity to really be clear

[2:00:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): on what we want to see in this project as a project charter. Staff would bring us a draft

[2:00:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): and we should rip into it as trustees that's our chance because the project charter is what

[2:00:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): puts the project forward and the more

[2:00:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): time and the clearer we are in that project charter

[2:00:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): the quicker the project can go because we're being clear we're not you know waffling thank

[2:00:49] Voice 10: you trustee patrick trustee harris thank you

[2:00:52] Voice 4: mr chair trustee patrick so can we agree on

[2:01:00] Voice 4: on a focused priority of the project charter?

[2:01:08] Voice 4: And maybe that's jumping the gun.

[2:01:11] Voice 4: And maybe it's a side project

[2:01:14] Voice 4: like what Planning Manager Hutton was stating,

[2:01:18] Voice 4: but can we have a focused report from staff,

[2:01:27] Voice 4: again, on what amendments of the current housing section

[2:01:31] Voice 4: of the OCP would be needed to affect density change

[2:01:34] Voice 4: anywhere on the Island?

[2:01:35] Voice 4: like we just want to know what needs what would need to be amended and then at that point we could

[2:01:40] Voice 4: propose amendments um just trying to you know expedite the um the um you know hopeful easing

[2:01:52] Voice 4: of the workforce housing crisis um so i think it's pretty simple what i'm trying to say um

[2:01:59] Voice 4: that we ask staff again what amendments or which amendments of the housing portion of the ocp

[2:02:06] Voice 14: would

[2:02:06] Voice 4: be needed okay

[2:02:09] Voice 10: so if i can summarize here and i'll look to staff to tell me if i'm correct

[2:02:15] Voice 10: uh there's i think that that it's sort of been identified that there you could do this as a as

[2:02:22] Voice 10: a standalone or it could be a part of the of the ocp project that's already happened

[2:02:27] Voice 10: in terms of direction staff uh if we're going to uh so i'll leave that part to you trustee harris

[2:02:37] Voice 10: to consider whether you want it to be a standalone or part of the part of the uh the project that

[2:02:42] Voice 10: we've already decided to get uh in terms of uh the ocp uh project that the charter has already

[2:02:51] Voice 10: worked on um uh how specific would you like the direction if that's the will of the ltc

[2:03:01] Voice 10: um in terms of the project charter or is it more reasonable to

[2:03:08] Voice 10: to work on like do you think getting directions towards that project charter at this moment is

[2:03:15] Voice 10: helpful or is it from a staff perspective is it just as well to wait until you've brought

[2:03:21] Voice 10: that forward to the LTC just to get a little preference here I'm just sitting on the fly here

[2:03:30] as well um but i i'm inclined to uh and i've been sort of just uh cards on the table um uh i uh

[2:03:39] i've been i've been

[2:03:40] Voice 6: messaging back and forth with uh planer garbo as well as director um

[2:03:47] Voice 6: um process here so planer garbo is you know taking notes um as we're as we're discussing this

[2:03:53] um and um director cermak has you know indicated that you know that uh there's the whole ocp is

[2:04:01] something that needs to be looked at in terms of how do we shift our thinking

[2:04:05] Voice 7: about housing now

[2:04:07] Voice 7: that being said um and i do hear from justin patrick she was expecting a project charter

[2:04:13] in march

[2:04:13] Voice 6: i'm disinclined to present you a project charter for something that i don't have

[2:04:17] uh the final final dollar amount so until uh the budget is passed uh it would be it would be

[2:04:24] disingenuous kind of a scope of what we can do with an unknown amount of dollars

[2:04:29] that said um i think a high level scan to start identifying key problems

[2:04:37] Voice 6: with the oct is not unreasonable uh in the next month um and from there um i'm i have no doubt

[2:04:45] Voice 6: uh that as mr patrick said you have an opportunity to rip into the project charter later on but that

[2:04:51] Voice 6: may help you in setting the table for that discussion and starting to generate a common

[2:04:57] dialogue around what is the what is your priority around the housing um section of the ocp uh and

[2:05:05] the housing issue in the ocp or themes or

[2:05:07] Voice 6: outcomes that you want to see uh in the ocp ultimately um

[2:05:12] Voice 6: The, you know, the OCP just guided, it guided development, it guided the work of the LTC

[2:05:19] Voice 6: ideally.

[2:05:20] Voice 6: So those are the kinds of things that we need to think about as we go into an OCP process,

[2:05:24] because I know there's going to be different opinions at this table, and you're going to

[2:05:30] hear a lot of different opinions in the community.

[2:05:33] So it's a really big conversation.

[2:05:34] So starting to explore that

[2:05:38] Voice 6: topic early is probably one option that I could certainly say is a good idea.

[2:05:44] Voice 6: Okay. So just

[2:05:45] Voice 10: to summarize it, I think what I'm hearing you say is that in terms of getting the process started,

[2:05:52] Voice 10: then it's totally reasonable for the LTC to give you some direction today to do,

[2:05:59] Voice 10: to identify um some of the some of the ocp uh sections with related to housing that

[2:06:08] Voice 10: that we will want to look at and then that that gives you some direction just to get started on

[2:06:14] Voice 10: that and and uh the larger charter of course you just told us is going to um not advance

[2:06:21] Voice 10: figure out what the financial reality is out of trust council's budget decision in march

[2:06:27] Voice 10: so um please go ahead and i think that uh um uh that we've heard from staff that they're

[2:06:36] Voice 10: receptive to a resolution requesting um uh

[2:06:41] Voice 4: this work at this time thank you mr chair so i'd like

[2:06:46] Voice 4: to um trustee patrick would you be in support of uh of us making um a motion or resolution

[2:06:58] Voice 4: asking staff to bring us the information on what amendments would be needed to the housing portion

[2:07:06] Voice 4: of the OCP in order to affect density change anywhere on the island to facilitate opportunities

[2:07:14] Voice 4: for workforce housing. That sounds like just about kind of motion there

[2:07:18] Voice 10: but go ahead

[2:07:19] Voice 10: Trustee Patrick.

[2:07:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well I'm not sure the details of density change and the wording that's being used

[2:07:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): used is, I think a broader statement would be better. And I don't, I don't, I'm not sure what

[2:07:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): all inputs we need to see. As I know, one of the activities that we're doing from a federation

[2:07:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): level is pulling together what's happening on all the islands, like, you know, main islands doing

[2:07:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): this flexible housing option of having, you can have up to three, you know, three dwellings on

[2:07:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): your property as long as it's a you know it's use a maximum square footage any way you want you can

[2:08:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): have up to three dwellings so there's a there's a lot of potential ideas uh that are that are

[2:08:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): coming from other islands that would facilitate that could have a different uh ocp change i think

[2:08:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think it's the the broader question i don't think we have to say density it's what do we

[2:08:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's what do we we're trying to focus our ocp review on identifying the policies that need

[2:08:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): either amendment or additions to uh facilitate uh more flexibility in housing you know housing

[2:08:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): options and you know and focusing absolutely on the the workforce housing segment of our island

[2:08:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): um if

[2:08:45] Voice 4: i may mr chair please go ahead um thank you um trustee patrick and the reason i'm

[2:08:52] Voice 4: talking about this is because of partially because of bylaw 530 and the the issues that

[2:09:00] Voice 4: have been brought up regarding possible conflicts with the ocp so if we can figure out prior to

[2:09:09] Voice 4: we can figure out what amendments would be needed prior to to do any changes to zoning

[2:09:19] Voice 4: zoning. It'll just be that much easier so we don't get, you know, come up with some idea and

[2:09:25] Voice 4: then find out, oh, well, you've got to do this and you've got to do that. So as far as the amendments

[2:09:30] Voice 4: to the LCP go, so if we could find out first, now maybe the wording could be different, but if we

[2:09:36] Voice 4: can, you know, which amendments we can direct

[2:09:42] Voice 5: staff to bring

[2:09:49] Voice 4: to the LTC, the amendments that

[2:09:55] Voice 4: that would be needed to the housing portion of the OCP

[2:09:59] Voice 4: to effect the facilitation of workforce housing,

[2:10:06] Voice 4: covenanted workforce housing project opportunities.

[2:10:10] Voice 4: Would that be something maybe more along the lines

[2:10:13] Voice 4: of what we could agree on and hopefully expedite the process

[2:10:17] Voice 4: prior to a whole project charter?

[2:10:19] Voice 4: Trustee Patrick.

[2:10:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, again, you're introducing terms like coveted.

[2:10:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): And so I think our language should be more goal reflective of what is the goal we're trying to achieve. The tools are what we're hoping staff are going to come back and tell us what those things are.

[2:10:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think the goal, what I'm hearing, you're saying, what are the impediments within the OCP to creating more workforce housing, either opportunities or, you know, something of that nature?

[2:10:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): I would almost pose it as a question, sort of, because that's the goal.

[2:11:05] Voice 4: Yeah, well, that sounds reasonable.

[2:11:07] Voice 4: and

[2:11:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): then i then i would look to staff does that question make sense to you

[2:11:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): question i should

[2:11:17] Voice 4: be speaking like this yeah please please go ahead mr chair so it's pretty

[2:11:24] Voice 4: simple um you know which amendments of the housing portion of the ocp would be needed

[2:11:30] Voice 4: to facilitate opportunities for workforce housing projects to initiate this that's pretty clear the

[2:11:38] Voice 4: reason i mentioned covenanted is so not to raise alarm bells about market housing this so it sounds

[2:11:51] Voice 10: like me to to me uh if i can just interject for a moment that we're really close to a motion um that

[2:11:58] Voice 10: the last statement you said was a bit more general um uh maybe we could just check in really quickly

[2:12:07] Voice 10: quickly with staff in general uh probably gives you a little bit um uh I mean as long as it's

[2:12:15] Voice 10: giving you enough direction to do what the intent of the LTC is uh do you feel like like like the

[2:12:24] Voice 10: last statement was a bit more general it didn't have uh covenanted in it and it didn't have

[2:12:30] Voice 10: have debts in the end really just addressing um yeah which

[2:12:35] Voice 4: amendments of which amendments of the

[2:12:37] Voice 4: OCP would be needed to facilitate opportunities for workforce housing I

[2:12:42] Voice 6: I think generality is

[2:12:44] Voice 6: always going to be my message on OCPs about because OCPs last a long time and they don't

[2:12:49] Voice 6: do a lot other than really guide you right and sometimes standing in your way but I mean

[2:12:56] Voice 6: things like covenanting programs like that is that work of you know housing strategy

[2:13:03] Voice 6: i think a lot of it's probably contained in our housing action uh program uh recommendations um

[2:13:10] Voice 6: so going after um you know partnerships with um ministry pc housing those are those the kinds of

[2:13:19] Voice 6: thing that actually sometimes get things done i'll speak frankly here um so um yeah but but

[2:13:25] Voice 6: you know um looking at ocps and and um and uh you know we're talking about ocps a lot again

[2:13:31] Voice 6: um the the ocp is an ocb lub amendment to explore how to do that so we set density you know we set

[2:13:39] Voice 6: some some long-term growth projections in in ocps but lub is really regulated right so um

[2:13:47] Voice 6: the land use bylaw so um that's that's pretty much i mean i think that as long as the direction is

[2:13:53] is general and i i don't think that uh i can tell you myself and none of the staff intend to

[2:14:01] Voice 6: willfully ignore uh what lcc is saying and when we definitely hear the context and are you know

[2:14:07] Voice 6: are working to respond to that and want to respond to it meaningfully we're achieving

[2:14:13] Voice 6: what's expected uh we're working within a within with the with the ocp we're working

[2:14:19] Voice 6: within a very large approval structure uh when it comes to uh the community and the ministry

[2:14:25] that's an excuse i think that we need to balance uh and find alignment around the

[2:14:30] visionary

[2:14:30] Voice 6: document uh

[2:14:33] Voice 3: not a

[2:14:34] Voice 6: cure for everything but

[2:14:43] Voice 10: okay thank you so i think i think what what i'm hearing is that uh if you maybe preface what you

[2:14:50] Voice 10: read out there by saying i moved that the local trust committee uh request staff to

[2:14:58] Voice 10: investigate like i think you're really close to your motion on the fly

[2:15:02] Voice 4: so request staff

[2:15:11] Voice 4: or investigate or identify yes i

[2:15:14] Voice 19: have a suggestion okay

[2:15:17] Voice 10: wonderful okay wonderful

[2:15:18] Voice 19: okay uh that the

[2:15:19] Voice 19: salt spring island local trust committee requests staff to clarify the amendments that would be

[2:15:25] Voice 19: needed in the salt spring island official community plan in order to facilitate opportunities for

[2:15:31] Voice 19: workforce housing

[2:15:33] Voice 4: should we add the housing section of the ocp just to be more clear that'd

[2:15:39] Voice 4: be helpful well if

[2:15:41] Voice 10: i may i just heard that general is is is fine in this case and that um and correct

[2:15:48] Voice 10: me if i'm wrong but i thought i just heard that general is fine and then that gives the

[2:15:53] Voice 10: give staff the opportunity to if if if with if if we say if it's just within the housing but

[2:15:59] Voice 10: they find something that's out without the house outside of that okay thank you um sarah that

[2:16:05] Voice 10: sounds great if you'd like to so look at that yeah i could read that on the screen oh okay is that uh

[2:16:14] Voice 10: can you i

[2:16:16] Voice 19: can't share my screen okay but i could um

[2:16:23] Voice 15: so

[2:16:30] Voice 4: i moved that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff to clarify the

[2:16:34] Voice 4: amendments that would be needed in the salt spring island official community plan in order to

[2:16:39] Voice 4: facilitate opportunities for horse housing excellent so move

[2:16:43] Voice 10: do i have a seconder trustee

[2:16:47] Voice 10: patrick has seconded that motion uh any further discussion on the motion trustee patrick no i

[2:16:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): support the motion i'm just wondering when amendments to me and i would like to make sure

[2:16:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's clear that staff understand is also what could be removed i i know the governance report

[2:17:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): has identified that there are many OCPs including ours that contains regulation

[2:17:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's more appropriate for a land use bylaw than an OCP so as long as the like

[2:17:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): I said that this motion is understood by staff to include you know removing

[2:17:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): things as well so it's not just adding it's removing thank

[2:17:31] Voice 10: you for that trustee

[2:17:33] Voice 10: patrick i mean i would assume that uh uh removal is this you can amend by removing as well is this

[2:17:40] Voice 10: enough direction for staff are you happy with this okay so it sounds like staff is has been

[2:17:47] Voice 10: listening to the conversation it's captured the intent here and uh and removal would be uh would

[2:17:53] Voice 10: be considered as part of this uh promotion uh that being the case any further discussion on the motion

[2:18:02] Voice 10: okay i'm just going to go ahead and call the question then all those in favor and motion

[2:18:06] Voice 10: on the floor and that motion carries thank you very much trustees um i know just going to note

[2:18:15] Voice 10: on the uh agenda here there was a five minute break scheduled uh we didn't take a little break

[2:18:24] Voice 10: I just want to check in with staff.

[2:18:29] Voice 10: We do have a bit, but it'll depend on exactly how the discussion goes.

[2:18:35] Voice 10: Are you wanting to have a lunch break?

[2:18:40] Voice 10: And I see we're nearly at noon.

[2:18:45] Voice 10: Can I get some feedback on that, please?

[2:18:49] Voice 6: Mr. Chair, I think a break until noon.

[2:18:52] Voice 6: A

[2:18:53] Voice 10: break from now until noon?

[2:18:55] Voice 10: So we'll recess until noon, little Richard.

[2:18:57] Voice 10: I'm actually going to suggest, because that's just about 10 minutes,

[2:19:01] Voice 10: and I'm not sure that's enough for everyone to eat their lunch.

[2:19:03] Voice 10: I'm going to suggest we come back at 12.10.

[2:19:09] Voice 10: That gives us a slightly longer break.

[2:19:12] Voice 10: So we'll recess until 12.10.

[2:19:16] Voice 10: Excellent.

[2:19:18] Voice 15: We'll get out of the way.

[2:41:00] Voice 15: there's a it's kind of a foregone conclusion that public hearing

[2:41:06] Voice 6: the reality is is public hearing

[2:41:10] as it is right now until we bring you back the second time a public hearing um

[2:41:19] Voice 6: it's really

[2:41:21] Voice 6: challenging for us to say it's a good idea to talk about it but regardless of that the

[2:41:27] Voice 6: conversation happens out in the community anyway so um most constructive things would be to wait

[2:41:36] Voice 6: you know i know we're pushing for march we're bringing it back we have the opportunity to read

[2:41:40] it a second time after which you know we're talking about the changes rather than the

[2:41:44] violence it's already been okay so

[2:41:47] Voice 10: actually i'm not

[2:41:48] Voice 6: i'm not i'm not i'm not actually not

[2:41:51] Voice 10: seeing on this one i'm not seeing that in here no um okay

[2:41:56] Voice 6: so it's not one it's not included

[2:41:58] Voice 10: so it's not what's

[2:41:59] Voice 6: not in the agenda okay so that answers that question okay thank you

[2:42:02] Voice 6: and visit wonderful okay good advice it was everywhere else but right okay

[2:42:09] Voice 10: okay thank you

[2:42:12] Voice 10: for that um i'll call the meeting back to order and uh we're at uh section 9.2 advisory planning

[2:42:24] Voice 10: commissions and special advisory planning commissions for salt spring local trust

[2:42:29] Voice 10: to the committee project task force we have a staff report in front of us yes sir um

[2:42:38] Voice 7: the whole process for software ltc is to defer items from the before day break to the end of

[2:42:47] Voice 7: the meeting okay so that the public that have attended for um trustees comments and uh the

[2:42:55] Voice 7: town hall can stick to that new-ish schedule okay i don't

[2:43:02] Voice 6: have anything i don't have any problems

[2:43:03] Voice 7: with that if that's okay with trustees to defer any concerns

[2:43:09] Voice 10: from trustees about deferring that

[2:43:11] Voice 10: towards the end of the meeting the 9.2 okay okay we'll go ahead and follow that uh thank you for

[2:43:17] Voice 10: that advice so that brings us then instead to uh trustee reports and uh trustees who would like to

[2:43:25] Voice 10: go first trustee harris

[2:43:28] Voice 4: um thank you i'll just um i'm just gonna forego this section and we'll uh

[2:43:34] Voice 4: leave it for um so we can have time for uh to speak okay

[2:43:40] Voice 5: thank you for that

[2:43:41] Voice 9: trustee patrick

[2:43:42] Voice 9: do you have anything to report today i

[2:43:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): do it's been a long time since we had our regular meeting

[2:43:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): in december um i've been uh working on organizing a rural island housing panel i'm really grateful

[2:43:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): to Emily Adam Olson for his support and the Rural Island Economic Partnership have agreed to host a

[2:44:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): panel and an action lab at their April conference. The panel is going to consist of representatives

[2:44:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): from organizations that have successfully built housing projects. They'll be sharing their

[2:44:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): successes and frustrations and end with recommending what needs to change at what

[2:44:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): level of government to facilitate housing on rural islands. I participated in with the

[2:44:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): The Salt Spring Island Health Advancement Network, SHAN, as we know it, in their strategic planning workshops.

[2:44:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Their draft vision now is collaborative and connected community working for the well-being of all.

[2:44:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): And it's been good to work with them through their process.

[2:44:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): I participated in two housing council meetings and the housing council is a great place for the groups that are working on housing to get together and share status and talk through their projects.

[2:44:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): um i'm i am now the chair of the regional planning committee and i'm excited to be working with the

[2:45:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): chair trustee borthwick he's from denman island and one of our our young trustees at trust council

[2:45:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): and we're going to be working really hard to make this standing committee a very effective

[2:45:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): working committee um as a chair of the regional planning committee i now have a seat at the

[2:45:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): the Financial Planning Committee, which is meeting and continues its work on the draft

[2:45:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): 2023-24 budget. Its next meeting is on Valentine's Day. SWPA held a meeting in January. We received

[2:45:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): the list of the draft actions that are contained in the new 10-year strategic plan. This plan is

[2:45:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the four main agencies, the Islands Trust, the CRD, the North Salt Spring Water District,

[2:45:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): and the province. And they're just beginning the process of moving this plan up to be endorsed by

[2:45:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): each individual organization. I attended the Climate Caucus Conference this week. This is

[2:46:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): an event for elected officials all across Canada. One of the main speakers was Andrea Reimer,

[2:46:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): a former Vancouver City Councillor, who really talked about Vancouver and its participatory

[2:46:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): approach to climate action work. Lots to learn there. And Don Everson, the former mayor of

[2:46:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): Edmonton, who really stressed that banks and insurance companies are moving fast to create

[2:46:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): or to respond to climate change. And they are really saying that that's going to have a big

[2:46:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): impact on what we're seeing, sort of settlement patterns where people are building insurance is

[2:46:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): is going to be in the banks are really cracking down.

[2:46:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): I want to plug an upcoming event.

[2:46:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): Transition Salt Spring took on the running of the workshop

[2:46:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): for developing forest management practices

[2:46:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): to improve wildfire resiliency.

[2:47:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): Ruth Waldek has been doing an incredible job

[2:47:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): of pulling a very expert panel of people together

[2:47:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): to work on this issue.

[2:47:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that's going to be on february 27th um i'm still challenged with how we can communicate we

[2:47:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussed it a bit this morning we have to improve uh our communications it's the only way we're

[2:47:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to break this cycle of miscommunication um you know for example our decision to continue

[2:47:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): working on bylaw 530 uh you know how do we communicate this to the public instead you know

[2:47:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): the driftwood took a guess at what we talked about in camera got it wrong but they had took a guess

[2:47:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): and then we have citizens writing letters who are also taking guesses of what's happening

[2:47:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): and you know that's that we need to find a way to communicate what's going on so people have

[2:47:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): the right information and they don't run off in some direction saying the sky is falling

[2:47:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): when uh when we're doing responsible work and and have a process forward um and that's uh

[2:48:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): my key my report uh

[2:48:10] Voice 10: thank you trustee patrick um next section is chair's report i'll uh report that

[2:48:17] Voice 10: the executive committee meets on february 13th in preparation for trust council in march which

[2:48:25] Voice 10: will be of course largely focused on the budget and sessions on bylaw enforcement

[2:48:31] Voice 10: enforcement um I'll note that uh Trustee Harris and myself are both on the trust programs committee

[2:48:40] Voice 10: which met in January and uh uh all three of the local uh the Salt Spring local trust committee

[2:48:48] Voice 10: trustees are uh were elected to the governance committee by trust Council uh Trustee Harris sits

[2:48:54] Voice 10: as vice chair on that committee and uh uh tomorrow we hold our second meeting as we start

[2:49:01] Voice 10: working on the recommendations from the governance report and uh and where we as committee uh

[2:49:08] Voice 10: seek to prioritize the the actions and the work of that committee um uh i i met yesterday here

[2:49:17] Voice 10: on salt spring with uh representatives of uh transition salt spring and salt spring solutions

[2:49:23] Voice 10: as well as a a couple of community members and uh i mentioned at the december meeting and i'll

[2:49:31] Voice 10: just reiterate it uh today that i'm uh intending to be available to meet with uh salt spring

[2:49:38] Voice 10: community groups and individuals on an informal basis i'm going to be alternating my wednesdays

[2:49:45] Voice 10: once a month between galliano and salt spring so uh that would mean that april 12th i'll i'll have

[2:49:53] Voice 10: some time here on salt spring to meet with the members of public individuals or community groups

[2:50:01] Voice 10: so please feel free to reach out and if you'd like to schedule a meeting in april um and uh

[2:50:09] Voice 10: i think i'll just keep it at that for the moment um and i'll pass it over to our uh

[2:50:16] Voice 10: kepler regional district uh director uh gary holman for his report here

[2:50:21] Voice 12: uh thanks chair and

[2:50:23] Voice 12: thanks for uh inviting me to these town halls um the local community commission like it's been a

[2:50:32] Voice 12: while since a while since i participated in the town hall so i may be repeating some stuff but

[2:50:38] Voice 12: the local community commission which was approved by voters uh last october uh the election now

[2:50:45] Voice 12: was targeted for may 27th and the first meeting will be in june and that'll be at the uh the

[2:50:51] Voice 12: middle school upper upper level in the uh there um i'll still continue to come to these town halls

[2:51:03] Voice 12: and i met with the north salt spring trustees to propose establishing an interagency working group

[2:51:14] Voice 12: to discuss the various strategies we might consider to free up water for affordable

[2:51:20] Voice 12: suites and cottages in their service area which is now subject to a moratorium

[2:51:26] Voice 12: Mayor Mrakas, So I, my understanding is the trust in north salt spring are going to be developing a memorandum of understanding about how to work together, and I think this year, he is another key player, and I think involving some other agencies.

[2:51:41] Voice 12: Mayor Mrakas, In the discussions about ways to not to do away with the moratorium but, given the moratorium are the ways that we can free up water to.

[2:51:51] Voice 12: provide water for our sweets and cottages so for example the issue the possibility of transferring

[2:51:58] Voice 12: some license room in the highland fernwood license on st mary lake there appears to be room in that

[2:52:06] Voice 12: license and if we transferred some would that help that those kinds of strategies and that's why you

[2:52:12] Voice 12: need the provincial government which of course has authority over licenses uh the seerity budget

[2:52:18] Voice 12: We approved the board, approved the budget back in September of last year.

[2:52:23] Voice 12: There was a provisional increase of three and a half percent, which was about the average for the previous term was around three and a half percent.

[2:52:32] Voice 12: But there are several key pressures, which means that the final budget, which is approved in March, the requisition is going to be higher.

[2:52:40] Voice 12: um in in large part i would say because of the inflationary pressures that we're facing

[2:52:46] Voice 12: inflation is running at around seven percent and the key implication there for the crd and

[2:52:52] Voice 12: perhaps the trust as well is a negotiated increase for staff so qp has negotiated

[2:53:01] Voice 12: a uh wage and salary increase of about three and a half to four percent over the next several years

[2:53:07] Voice 12: The provisional budget is 2%, so that's going to exert some considerable upward pressure.

[2:53:14] Voice 12: The LCC itself, the referendum cost is expensive, $50,000 to $60,000.

[2:53:22] Voice 12: It's a one-time cost, but we have to deal with that in 2023, and then there'll be some

[2:53:27] Voice 12: modest stipends, a proposed $10,000 a year for the commissioners who will be overseeing

[2:53:36] Voice 12: uh they are delegated authority over 11 security services of iceberg three so it's not like a

[2:53:43] Voice 12: parks and rec commissioner or or a transportation commissioner they're overseeing a whole

[2:53:48] Voice 12: suite of crd services and um they they deserve some compensation for that that's still obviously

[2:53:55] Voice 12: not a full-time salary but it may encourage some people at the margins who might not otherwise

[2:54:00] Voice 12: wise, consider running for elected office. So inflation, wage and salary negotiated increases,

[2:54:09] Voice 12: we're still suffering some lingering effects of COVID. And that's affecting basically the

[2:54:16] Voice 12: revenue side. So part of the CRD budget is tax requisition on Salisbury. That's I think about

[2:54:24] Voice 12: 75% of our revenue. But we do get a considerable amount of revenue from various fees for

[2:54:29] Voice 12: services so like like parks and rec would be a key example our liquid waste facility there's a parcel

[2:54:36] Voice 12: tax that pays uh for the debt there but also user fees so if you arrive at burgoyne with a load from

[2:54:43] Voice 12: your septic tank there is a tipping fee there um there there's pressures there because the

[2:54:51] Voice 12: operators are increasing their fees as well everybody's passing costs along so anyway not

[2:54:59] Voice 12: not so much the not the burgoyne facility alone directly through the operator maybe suffered some

[2:55:04] Voice 12: gold issues but certainly uh parks and rec revenues have taken a significant hit even

[2:55:12] Voice 12: more than we are anticipating in the provisional budget um so there there's another uh pressure

[2:55:19] Voice 12: transit ec transit is passing on some we're getting not brand new but newish buses in

[2:55:26] Voice 12: later this spring we'll be getting five buses two or three 2022 i think there's one or two that are

[2:55:33] Voice 12: slightly older than that that there will be higher lease fees associated with that so bc transit

[2:55:38] Voice 12: also passing on their fees and ridership in our transit system has suffered through covid

[2:55:45] Voice 12: it is recovering it is coming back it's still uh not at pre-covid levels so again there's a

[2:55:52] Voice 12: a revenue hit there, which if we're going to maintain service, and I believe we should try

[2:55:58] Voice 12: to maintain services, that means that taxpayers at large have to provide a bit more support to

[2:56:05] Voice 12: transit. And in fact, local governments in general got some COVID recovery funding,

[2:56:12] Voice 12: but that funding is more or less exhausted. It'll help a bit. So there's requisition pressure

[2:56:19] Voice 12: pressure there um so i i won't go on but the uh there i'll be writing an article of course any

[2:56:28] Voice 12: any comments or welcome i'll be holding a public meeting as i try to do every year for every budget

[2:56:34] Voice 12: um uh probably uh early march uh there's an ask session march the 10th and it may be on that same

[2:56:42] Voice 12: day but there'll be a public meeting about the budget so we can go through the gory uh details

[2:56:48] Voice 12: I know it's a challenge folks in the audience and it's in the agenda letter to the trustees

[2:56:58] Voice 12: following through on a formal suggestion of relocating the power as a way to get over

[2:57:04] Voice 12: the impasse there on that issue and yeah in the drift of it there was a very long great

[2:57:16] Voice 12: great article on the composting facility,

[2:57:19] Voice 12: which after years of effort,

[2:57:21] Voice 12: we are finally getting off the ground

[2:57:23] Voice 12: of the Blue Boy Valley farm.

[2:57:26] Voice 12: And initially the compost would just be sold on the farm.

[2:57:30] Voice 12: If we're selling off site,

[2:57:32] Voice 12: then we have to go through the trust

[2:57:34] Voice 12: under temporary use permit or rezoning.

[2:57:36] Voice 12: But just to remind,

[2:57:38] Voice 12: A, it's the outcome of a area farm plan,

[2:57:41] Voice 12: which we updated a couple of years ago,

[2:57:43] Voice 12: but uh the the composting facility abattoir and the route the food processing and storage facility

[2:57:51] Voice 12: all part of a strategic plan that we've been working on over the years some of you folks in

[2:57:56] Voice 12: this room have worked on that and we finally got a large scale composting facility off the ground

[2:58:03] Voice 12: with the assistance of a hundred seventy thousand dollar grant from the province and also through

[2:58:08] Voice 12: through the CRD, we've contributed 100,000 in community works funding, and there was

[2:58:12] Voice 12: 40,000, I think, from Ag Investment Canada. CRD will own the facility, will be leasing the land

[2:58:19] Voice 12: from the Foreign Land Trust, which owns the 65-acre parcel, and the Avatar Society will be running it.

[2:58:25] Voice 12: So it truly was a team effort. But I want to point out that the land itself was secured by the trust

[2:58:31] Voice 12: as a result of an any zoning arrangement with three point who got one or two extra densities

[2:58:38] Voice 12: in wolford harbor in exchange for which the trust negotiated 65 acres in the burgoyne valley and

[2:58:44] Voice 12: it's the ideal site for a composter the one acre root facility also was a result of the trust

[2:58:51] Voice 12: amenity zoning so uh i think the composting project uh does demonstrate that while we do

[2:58:59] Voice 12: have a siloed governance structure here we do actually work together and and invite you

[2:59:07] Voice 12: from time to time at least pretty successfully i think the composting

[2:59:12] Voice 12: project is a good example thanks chair thank

[2:59:16] Voice 10: you director holman um all right with that we move on

[2:59:21] Voice 10: on to um section 13 correspondence several pieces uh for information and a couple for consideration

[2:59:32] Voice 10: um 13

[2:59:34] Voice 11: .1 is uh from um to local trust committee concerning

[2:59:43] Voice 10: uh the rogers uh channel ridge tower

[2:59:47] Voice 10: uh followed by another uh from the same writer uh concerning cellular antenna procedural guide

[3:00:00] Voice 10: we have a letter from dc housing local trust committee uh response uh concerning community

[3:00:09] Voice 10: advisory uh committee update for 154 kings lane and then we have uh the first one for consideration

[3:00:18] Voice 10: is uh from director holman uh concerning support for an alternative location for

[3:00:25] Voice 10: the rogers channel rich community our communications tower um so all of these uh

[3:00:37] Voice 10: there's a number of other items here so i'm just going to pause here for a moment and uh ask

[3:00:41] Voice 10: trustees if there's any direction you want to take on uh anything that uh listed so far not seeing

[3:00:52] Voice 10: any okay then we'll consider on to continue on to uh there's a letter from t shaw what consulting

[3:01:01] Voice 10: group uh concerning salt spring island active transportation network plan uh this was an

[3:01:08] Voice 10: invitation to shareholder workshop which unfortunately has

[3:01:11] Voice 11: already passed

[3:01:11] Voice 10: um

[3:01:13] Voice 11: any

[3:01:15] Voice 11: direction there no

[3:01:17] Voice 12: sure and i'm not sure if the trust was i hope that meeting but there will be

[3:01:26] Voice 12: a community survey there's there's a proposed um well the consultants proposed uh a network

[3:01:34] Voice 12: of sidewalks and cycling lanes within dante's that'll be going out to the public there'll be

[3:01:40] Voice 12: a public survey on that more to do the local community commission will be eventually taking

[3:01:45] Voice 12: that over and moving it forward uh i i should say though that as with other active transportation

[3:01:53] Voice 12: um investments like victorian for example uh there are implications for parking if you're

[3:02:00] Voice 12: putting in sidewalks and cycle lanes that tends to reduce the number of parking spaces

[3:02:04] Voice 12: i'm hoping that we can make up for that in various ways but anyway there will be a community survey

[3:02:11] Voice 12: There'll be lots of time and I hope people really do participate in it so we get good feedback on what's being proposed.

[3:02:17] Voice 12: If the consultants are trying to be realistic, like given our relatively modest resources here, so there's only so much we can do at a time.

[3:02:29] Voice 12: But if we can implement that plan over time, it will significantly change the nature.

[3:02:36] Voice 12: or it will make ganges much more pedestrian friendly accessible and safer for cyclists

[3:02:43] Voice 12: okay thank you for that information

[3:02:44] Voice 10: um next is the uh a letter from uh t latin north salt

[3:02:51] Voice 10: spring uh waterworks district to the local trust committee concerning the uh the their

[3:02:58] Voice 10: or district moratorium policy.

[3:03:00] Voice 10: I think we touched these on this.

[3:03:04] Voice 10: Nope.

[3:03:06] Voice 10: Okay, we're moving on to McAllister and Wilson.

[3:03:10] Voice 10: I was copied from,

[3:03:13] Voice 10: it was directed to a Director Holman

[3:03:17] Voice 10: and MLA Olsen, oh, and LTC was cc'd on that.

[3:03:21] Voice 10: Just concerning the vortex proposal.

[3:03:26] Voice 10: Next up for consideration.

[3:03:27] Voice 10: I

[3:03:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a chair I have a comment on that

[3:03:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): one there's a piece in that letter it says that

[3:03:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): the trustee just took the applicant's word for the archaeological conditions on that and I just

[3:03:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): want to stress that that is not the case that the permit requires archaeological assessments

[3:03:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): and permits from the heritage branch and others so I just wanted to point that out

[3:03:53] Voice 10: okay thank you

[3:03:54] Voice 10: of that uh next up is a letter uh requesting a letter of support for gulf islands early

[3:04:03] Voice 10: learning society any anything on that from trustees trustee

[3:04:09] Voice 8: patrick well

[3:04:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): i just would

[3:04:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a question i this is about a tax uh assessment thing is that any that's not something

[3:04:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can affect unless staff can correct me?

[3:04:26] Voice 6: Chair, it is not a decision

[3:04:29] Voice 6: that the local trust committee has the power to decide.

[3:04:37] Voice 6: A letter of support is requested.

[3:04:40] Voice 10: Yeah, so there's a request for a letter of support

[3:04:44] Voice 10: by the letter writer.

[3:04:45] Voice 10: So let's leave that to local trustees,

[3:04:48] Voice 10: whether you want to address that.

[3:04:51] Voice 10: of course we could always circle back to that later if you like uh can i

[3:04:57] Voice 4: speak yes please

[3:04:59] Voice 4: this is also directed to

[3:05:00] Voice 12: director holman any thoughts on this uh i think at this point it's

[3:05:05] Voice 12: advocacy and uh the group is requesting a letter from me as well and working with adam olson so

[3:05:12] Voice 12: the the key issue is whether the essentially it's a daycare um whether it there's a public benefit

[3:05:21] Voice 12: there and the assessment authority fairly arbitrarily has informed the daycare society

[3:05:27] Voice 12: that we don't think you know there's a benefit for folks using the daycare but there's not a

[3:05:33] Voice 12: public benefit i think if the local trust committee and myself were pushed back on that

[3:05:38] Voice 12: it obviously is available to the public but only can take a certain number of

[3:05:44] Voice 12: of clients just like affordable housing which typically do get a assessment the fallback would

[3:05:53] Voice 12: be like the root of it is the assessment authority changing uh their status but the fallback would be

[3:06:00] Voice 12: to through the crd also to apply for a partial exemption but it would just be a partial exemption

[3:06:07] Voice 12: wouldn't be

[3:06:08] Voice 12: the first step is to try and um it's advocacy really just to try and convince the

[3:06:14] Voice 12: assessment authority that there is a this is a facility that confers a broad community

[3:06:20] Voice 4: yes sir trustee patrick can and uh chair peterson and uh director holman can we not put a letter

[3:06:31] Voice 4: of uh of support together uh yeah from all of us

[3:06:39] Voice 4: so

[3:06:40] Voice 15: i think uh

[3:06:42] Voice 11: i

[3:06:44] Voice 12: i believe we could all or or separate and we can we can look at one another's

[3:06:50] Voice 12: language it can be a little more complicated trying to agree on one letter it might be less

[3:06:56] Voice 12: complicated and still achieve the same thing if there are two separate letters but we're using

[3:07:00] Voice 12: similar language which the the learning center can you know coach us on they can provide the

[3:07:06] Voice 12: language but yeah i'm open to either one letter or two letters okay

[3:07:12] Voice 10: um justin patrick may know this

[3:07:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): no go ahead and make a motion i guess requesting a letter from the chair uh

[3:07:22] Voice 4: do you want to make

[3:07:23] Voice 4: a motion um laura maybe might do better on the fly oh

[3:07:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay i can do that um i move that the

[3:07:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): South Spring Island local trust committee provide a letter from the chair uh in support of Gulf

[3:07:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Island early learning societies um what would it be their uh their their their assessment with BC

[3:07:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): BC assessment that

[3:07:59] Voice 10: uh captured that and uh staff is that uh set a good uh direction as far as you're

[3:08:12] Voice 10: concerned i would assume we would work together on that okay um okay so you've captured that so moved

[3:08:20] Voice 10: uh seconded any further discussion i'll go ahead and call the question all those in favor okay

[3:08:28] Voice 10: motion carries thank you for that uh next up is uh wellman on behalf of the salt spring housing

[3:08:36] Voice 10: uh council inserting item uh 9.2 which we have moved to the uh end of the agenda um so if any

[3:08:49] Voice 10: anything on this from trustees or we could also just uh we could refer back to it when we get

[3:08:55] Voice 10: back to that item i'm fine with with that approach if that's acceptable to trustees

[3:09:01] Voice 10: seeing nods okay excellent um which then brings us to the delegation section

[3:09:08] Voice 10: two delegations today and uh i apologize for our timing having gone a little bit ahead of us here

[3:09:17] Voice 10: but uh uh it's the nature of the beast and um so we'll start with uh uh maxine

[3:09:28] Voice 10: and please help me is it is it like

[3:09:32] Voice 20: okay it's easy it's like you're like you're like

[3:09:36] Voice 20: i'm like

[3:09:37] Voice 20: i like

[3:09:38] Voice 10: you're okay that's that is easy i'm going to be able to remember that okay so uh please go

[3:09:43] Voice 10: ahead and and we have five minutes for you okay

[3:09:46] Voice 20: so i'm axing like there and this presentation is

[3:09:49] Voice 20: meant to be in um a little tutorial on water supply and soft spring primarily for you trusty

[3:09:57] Voice 20: peterson because you are new so the north salt spring waterworks improvement district

[3:10:02] Voice 20: the largest district on the island search ganshees most of the institutional commercial facilities on

[3:10:09] Voice 20: the island almost all of the north of the island and a small part of the south of the island

[3:10:14] Voice 20: and their water comes from saint mary and maxwell lake uh the moratorium sometimes gets misunderstood

[3:10:23] Voice 20: understood it's not a ban on any new housing it's uh that new new uh connections people

[3:10:32] Voice 20: requesting new connections can only get one small connection so that's a problem with their zone

[3:10:42] Voice 20: that's a problem if you're trying to do affordable housing multi-housing or

[3:10:47] Voice 20: your property is owned for more than one unit you can't get a connection

[3:10:51] Voice 20: There are also five small capital regional district water services, two on lakes, three on wells, and except for one that's quite large, they're very small and have very limited resources to cover their costs.

[3:11:07] Voice 20: Cedar Lane, which is on a well, has an extremely

[3:11:12] Voice 20: problem in the summer with water. There are also

[3:11:16] Voice 20: four improvement districts and six private

[3:11:20] Voice 20: water services, all very small. Together, all of these

[3:11:24] Voice 20: make up a bit more than half of the suppliers, about half the

[3:11:28] Voice 20: properties on the water. The other half are

[3:11:31] Voice 20: private wells, and we know, as we discussed

[3:11:36] Voice 20: us already this morning there are many that are short in the north of the island water deliveries

[3:11:41] Voice 20: around 100 so the people that are on wells and groundwater are impacted by the fact that we're

[3:11:51] Voice 20: a fractured bedrock aquifer and this information comes from diana allen who's a professor at

[3:11:57] Voice 20: simon fraser university and she's studied the gulf islands for many years and she's told us

[3:12:03] Voice 20: that rain and snow fill up these cracks in the rocks and whatever is used doesn't get re-drilled

[3:12:10] Voice 20: to the next year when we have a wet season again and because the water's in these cracks that some

[3:12:17] Voice 20: are connected some aren't it's really difficult to know where there is water or where a particular

[3:12:22] Voice 20: well might affect other wells around it so because of the limits on groundwater there are two special

[3:12:31] Voice 20: zones. One is called rural watershed and those are our recharge areas high up in the mountains

[3:12:39] Voice 20: that have larger locks specifically to protect the water of everybody on the island.

[3:12:46] Voice 20: Then there's also a rural watershed zone which is around the lakes and has special restrictions to

[3:12:52] Voice 20: protect enough water going into the lakes that are you know they're providing water. So on all of

[3:12:59] Voice 20: these areas maintaining vegetative cover especially trees is really important because

[3:13:05] Voice 20: that sort of allows the water to penetrate slowly and so it can absorb more water otherwise it runs

[3:13:13] Voice 20: off quickly from the surfaces and that's why minimizing development and removal of vegetation

[3:13:19] Voice 20: It's a special area, protects water for the whole rest of the island.

[3:13:25] Voice 20: So we are waiting for the Trust's freshwater specialist to complete some studies that are

[3:13:31] Voice 20: going to show where we have

[3:13:33] Voice 20: groundwater, as Christy Harrison said, there are places that

[3:13:37] Voice 20: have groundwater, and where we don't have groundwater, so that we can direct development,

[3:13:41] Voice 20: especially like Portable Housing Development, to where there is water.

[3:13:45] Voice 20: water. And I just want to say something there has been talk about, well, is a moratorium necessary

[3:13:51] Voice 20: or not? And I can tell you, new ideas are always welcome. And I'm real interested in what Trustee

[3:13:58] Voice 20: Harris said about something in Maxwell Lake. I haven't heard it before. But the water district

[3:14:03] Voice 20: has investigated intensively all kinds of alternatives. And there are lots of ways to

[3:14:09] Voice 20: provide more water it's just they're all very very expensive we're talking millions so uh always good

[3:14:18] Voice 20: to hear about something new um and i hope that helps you to understand our water situation better

[3:14:25] Voice 20: any questions yeah

[3:14:27] Voice 10: thank you for that actually i i i was reading through that again last night and

[3:14:31] Voice 10: it was fairly informative as a sort of a primer to what's going on here so thank you very much

[3:14:37] Voice 10: sure uh your next delegation is uh jay mcclain considering summer side townhouse development

[3:14:50] Voice 10: excellent

[3:14:50] Voice 15: five minutes

[3:14:52] Voice 15: at

[3:14:53] Voice 1: a certain point in 2020 the angie's village task force started and just ahead of that the

[3:15:04] Voice 1: The new owner came to own what was considered phase nine of Summerside at 107 Atkins.

[3:15:14] Voice 1: And the concept for that was an adult-oriented type of home that wouldn't even have a children's playground.

[3:15:25] Voice 1: And I remember Patrick requesting a children's playground, and there was no such thing mandated.

[3:15:33] Voice 1: and um in any case when the ganges village task force got going the idea from my understanding

[3:15:42] Voice 1: was to create somewhat of a walkable community based on giving preference for people to live

[3:15:51] Voice 1: in ganges who are families and that way the kids can walk to school and also for low-income

[3:15:59] Voice 1: become seniors who may not be able to drive and then more recently it seems really important

[3:16:07] Voice 1: to provide some kind of social housing in Ganges so the project at 107 Atkins didn't fulfill any

[3:16:17] Voice 1: of these requirements however it was that last phase of the development was allowed to go

[3:16:22] Voice 1: forward because apparently it had been approved in a layout of nine phases that was approved in

[3:16:29] Voice 1: 1999 and then because of my family having a property further down atkins we watch over that

[3:16:36] Voice 1: area and i have a lot of original hard copy documents of what happened with different island

[3:16:42] Voice 1: trust ltc interactions and i found out that then it was allowed to be developed there at 107

[3:16:52] Voice 1: based on the idea that it would only be 30 house coverage so and then it was also only supposed to

[3:16:58] Voice 1: be three phases of development with quite a bit of green space so instead it got to be where is that

[3:17:05] Voice 1: and i'm investigating it i'm just sort of like opening up to let you know that but also that

[3:17:12] Voice 1: project appears abandoned and you can see it very clearly from the road because when you drive along

[3:17:18] Voice 1: or walk along loriganji's road near the rcmp station you can note that uh this untreated wood

[3:17:25] Voice 1: and these frames and everything so there was also if you look online i'm not trying to give away

[3:17:29] Voice 1: stuff that's not already public but there's liens from you know people who worked on there at sarah

[3:17:36] Voice 15: so

[3:17:36] Voice 1: of course like i'm just bringing this up because we're still at the same position we

[3:17:43] Voice 1: were in in 1999 where there is a desperate need for housing and how that housing is

[3:17:50] Voice 1: uh going to be sort of earmarked around ganges is extremely important and i i just i want to

[3:18:01] Voice 1: just give this kind of comment here because it appears that over time

[3:18:06] Voice 1: one thing is approved and then over time there's sort of a drift and something takes on a life of

[3:18:12] Voice 1: its own and what the original agreements were made with the trustees seems to be put into some

[3:18:19] Voice 1: file then it's the files removed to make way for a couch because when i went to the ltc office

[3:18:25] Voice 1: asked for certain paper files way back they said they had to move that stuff to make way for a

[3:18:29] Voice 1: couch so then um etc etc so i'm just to start from this point forward like we are suffering

[3:18:38] Voice 1: and some of the suffering is based on entities developing housing that did not live up to the

[3:18:47] Voice 1: the agreements that they started with and you know that i already spent quite a few ltc meetings

[3:18:52] Voice 1: discussing this housing agreement that gizra set up so to always provide this low-income rental

[3:18:58] Voice 1: housing and then they violated their agreement and we even have seniors up at c reason who can't

[3:19:06] Voice 1: go anywhere because they can't afford to what's appropriate for them when they might be of an age

[3:19:10] Voice 1: when they need maybe their own toilet but they can't rent from gizra because that's very very

[3:19:16] Voice 1: expensive and i already have that in that's already in public record it's way above what

[3:19:21] Voice 1: they originally agreed to provide then we have of course meadow lane that hopes to get built

[3:19:27] Voice 1: maybe just as expensive so we're not really hitting the demographic that needs the housing

[3:19:32] Voice 1: and so i'm just here to keep this as a hot issue and i'm also still interested in the overall

[3:19:39] Voice 1: vision for ganges even though that task force is wrapping up and i'm also interested in how people

[3:19:46] Voice 1: come to be on the aap so i'm gonna i'm just this is just me providing my information and i'm gonna

[3:19:53] Voice 1: sit down yeah thank

[3:19:55] Voice 10: you excellent uh timing that producer um thank you for that uh delegation um

[3:20:01] Voice 10: and uh trustees anything this time okay um then we're going to move on into the town hall and

[3:20:12] Voice 10: questions section um hopefully everyone's uh well aware of uh of our guidelines around uh

[3:20:22] Voice 10: of Town Hall and speaking respectfully.

[3:20:28] Voice 10: And I'll just note that the proposed bylaw 530

[3:20:37] Voice 10: has had a public hearing

[3:20:40] Voice 10: and according to meeting procedure bylaw 391,

[3:20:46] Voice 10: local trust committee is not permitted to hear

[3:20:53] Voice 10: more on this bylaw at this point um because the public hearing so i'll just look around the room

[3:21:00] Voice 10: and look for hands of people wanting to speak i'm going to start on this side and then i'll move

[3:21:05] Voice 10: across so uh please go ahead thank you very much my name is

[3:21:09] Voice 18: julian clark i'm uh here to discuss

[3:21:13] Voice 18: the proposed rogers tower on behalf of the concerned residents of canvas deck the lbc

[3:21:18] Voice 18: hasn't completed the December 13th resolution to draft a letter requesting the Rogers Tower be

[3:21:24] Voice 18: relocated. As such, we wish to make several comments. First off, the resolution in the

[3:21:31] Voice 18: agenda package from December 13th meeting, Resolution 186, two problems with it. It doesn't

[3:21:37] Voice 18: make it clear who that letter is going to be addressed to. It simply states draft a letter

[3:21:44] Voice 18: requesting that the Rogers communication tower be relocated, doesn't say who it's going to.

[3:21:49] Voice 18: At the December 13th meeting, I believe the trustees agreed the letter should be sent to

[3:21:53] Voice 18: Rogers with a copy to ISA, the regulators. Secondly, the resolution completely ignores

[3:22:00] Voice 18: our repeated requests for the LTC to document the valid reasons why the original concurrence

[3:22:07] Voice 18: decision was rescinded in March of 2022. That's almost a year ago. The LTC has never provided

[3:22:14] Voice 18: to rogers or the regulators the reasons why you rescinded that concurrence decision and until you

[3:22:21] Voice 18: do rogers are going to continue to want to build wherever they where they proposed i said the

[3:22:28] Voice 18: regulators are going to continue to support them the residents and there are many of them here

[3:22:32] Voice 18: are going to continue to stop the build from happening and quite frankly where does fail me

[3:22:37] Voice 18: nothing is going to happen this tower is not going to get built the crest enhancements are not going

[3:22:43] Voice 18: to occur and meanwhile there's several dangerous six foot deep holes on that property that will

[3:22:49] Voice 18: remain unfilled and and there are many other utility workers that access that property this

[3:22:55] Voice 18: is a disaster waiting to happen so again we urge you in writing that letter to be sure that you

[3:23:01] Voice 18: actually state the reasons why you rescinded the original concurrence decision uh second major

[3:23:09] Voice 18: point i just want to make it clear that the concerned residents of canvas back did provide

[3:23:13] Voice 18: to the LTC within eight hours of the December 13th meeting,

[3:23:16] Voice 18: a draft letter to Rogers and Isage,

[3:23:19] Voice 18: which both requests an alternate location be selected

[3:23:23] Voice 18: and documents all the valid reasons for rescindment.

[3:23:27] Voice 18: That draft fulfills the resolution,

[3:23:31] Voice 18: yet here we are 58 days later and there is still no letter.

[3:23:38] Voice 18: Unfortunately, the LTC seems unwilling

[3:23:39] Voice 18: to use that draft work even as a starting point

[3:23:42] Voice 18: And more disturbing, the LTC refused to publish that letter and draft in the agenda today

[3:23:49] Voice 18: because they claimed that there were unsubstantiated statements in that letter

[3:23:55] Voice 18: referring to Rogers as having falsified the tower application.

[3:24:01] Voice 18: It's unbelievable.

[3:24:03] Voice 18: It only takes a moment to substantiate that the primary assertion in Rogers' application is indeed false.

[3:24:13] Voice 18: Rogers claimed to have fulfilled a very specific protocol. We provided you with clear evidence

[3:24:20] Voice 18: that they did not fulfill that protocol. Let me just give you one example. Simple. Protocol

[3:24:24] Voice 18: requires a public meeting be held. There's never been a public meeting. Okay, therefore,

[3:24:32] Voice 18: if you assert that you fulfilled that protocol, that's false. And

[3:24:38] Voice 18: there are many, many other

[3:24:39] Voice 18: examples. So to not publish that letter because you claim there's something unsubstantiated there

[3:24:46] Voice 18: when it's been substantiated time and time again simply begs the question, when are you going to

[3:24:52] Voice 18: substantiate it? Lastly, given that you don't publish unsubstantiated materials, one must

[3:25:00] Voice 18: assume then that 13.2 in today's agenda, the letter from Puna McQuad, is indeed substantiated,

[3:25:09] Voice 18: And that letter asserts that Salt Spring Island had an antenna sighting proposal in place in 2021, which, quite frankly, prohibits powers to be placed within 500 meters of residences.

[3:25:25] Voice 18: So if that is in place, then that's something you should communicate.

[3:25:31] Voice 18: And that's another good reason for why you rescinded.

[3:25:35] Voice 18: All right.

[3:25:35] Voice 18: I know that the time is gone.

[3:25:37] Voice 18: Look, we're all tired of this.

[3:25:39] Voice 18: We're all tired of this.

[3:25:40] Voice 18: you've got way more pressing things to do on the trust uh just don't blow this off crest needs the

[3:25:46] Voice 18: enhancement those holes need to be filled on that property and quite frankly your constituents

[3:25:50] Voice 18: deserve better uh you've had a letter in your possession for 58 days that goes a long way to

[3:25:56] Voice 18: fixing all this just send it so

[3:26:06] Voice 4: we did i can remember the meeting where we agreed to send

[3:26:10] Voice 4: the letter is that yeah and

[3:26:12] Voice 7: so we send

[3:26:13] Voice 4: a letter so did we is that our fault as um trustees and

[3:26:18] Voice 4: chair that we didn't direct staff to send the letter or something else going there

[3:26:21] Voice 4: hard time recalling exactly what went down it's

[3:26:24] Voice 6: true that michael uh haven't had a chance to

[3:26:25] Voice 6: send that letter

[3:26:26] Voice 6: and i will prioritize this for that message thank

[3:26:30] Voice 11: you for that um i just have

[3:26:33] Voice 11: one one question for staff too uh

[3:26:34] Voice 10: um one of the things i heard from the speaker here today

[3:26:40] Voice 10: uh was a request that uh uh we give some clear rationale for the for the residents of

[3:26:48] Voice 10: uh simon of concurrence um any further direction

[3:26:54] Voice 6: on there uh mr chair i would suggest that um i

[3:26:59] will see the process for preparing that as an interrupt one uh myself uh to finalize reporting

[3:27:06] okay at your letter to determine what details should be included uh so uh

[3:27:13] Voice 6: i don't think any

[3:27:14] Voice 6: further direction would be good okay

[3:27:15] Voice 6: all right thank you

[3:27:17] Voice 4: for that can i say one more thing

[3:27:18] Voice 4: mr chair thank you can we have a timeline as to when this letter will be sent

[3:27:35] Voice 8: Well, tomorrow I have a governance committee meeting, so I

[3:27:40] Voice 10: can look over a draft tomorrow afternoon, and if I don't have any issues with it, then maybe I could get out tomorrow afternoon.

[3:27:49] Voice 10: But I know over the weekend is not good here, so certainly, let's say by Monday, we can make that happen.

[3:27:57] Voice 18: If I may, can I just give you a copy of the letter that was drafted for you eight hours after the December 10th? I only have the one copy.

[3:28:06] Voice 18: yeah thank you sure okay

[3:28:10] Voice 10: thank you very much yeah this is true thank you guys

[3:28:15] Voice 12: director home

[3:28:16] Voice 12: could you attach my letter to your letter the residents were disappointed that i sent it to the

[3:28:23] Voice 12: lgc and i called the press they wanted me to send it directly to

[3:28:27] Voice 12: jim rogers and

[3:28:28] Voice 11: we just felt the understanding

[3:28:29] Voice 12: or lack of it okay so if you're okay with that

[3:28:34] Voice 12: to attach my letter as uh security obviously has a connection with press

[3:28:39] Voice 12: press is aware of the request pressed is not just not opposed the relocation of the

[3:28:44] Voice 12: department even though it might mean some additional costs for them so if you attach

[3:28:50] Voice 12: my letter that makes that clear is there any may i also speak again yes please go ahead is

[3:28:55] Voice 4: is and hopefully the letter will include the filling in of the holes that were

[3:29:03] Voice 4: brought to our attention the

[3:29:04] Voice 8: safety concerns yeah

[3:29:05] Voice 4: i

[3:29:06] Voice 18: have to tell you they're covered with

[3:29:08] Voice 18: plywood not fully covered when there was that inch or two of snow up there that there are people

[3:29:13] Voice 18: that come in from the water folks because there's a water tank up there there's people at a telus

[3:29:18] Voice 18: tower which is going to get decommissioned in the next few years by the way but people who

[3:29:22] Voice 18: are removing all the wallway equipment so there have been all and we literally went up there to

[3:29:27] Voice 18: tell them watch out there's holes here partially covered if you put one foot down you're going to

[3:29:32] Voice 18: break away okay thank you mr chair i would just add that um i'm pleased

[3:29:41] Voice 6: the director holman is

[3:29:42] Voice 6: here and i'll be sure to follow the building inspection site safety is not uh within the

[3:29:46] Voice 6: purview of the island's trust uh whoever uh our building inspectors uh may wish to follow up on

[3:29:52] Voice 6: that should that be the site is secure

[3:29:55] Voice 18: however those holds the workplace there after you told

[3:30:00] Voice 18: not to develop that property okay

[3:30:03] Voice 10: thank you for that um we've got some some action coming so

[3:30:07] Voice 10: that's that's positive thing uh so as it started on this side so moving this direction uh yes sir

[3:30:14] Voice 10: yes

[3:30:15] Voice 22: uh david courtney i represent a small group of uh advocates uh the patrons of route six which

[3:30:23] Voice 22: is bc ferries route six on the west side over the last 14 months we've made some pretty good

[3:30:29] Voice 22: progress with regards to uh what's going to transpire hopefully in four years time

[3:30:34] Voice 22: but the issue right now and i've met with laura a couple weeks ago we had a good sit down had

[3:30:39] Voice 22: a coffee and we chatted about a few things um there's this feeling that uh the submission

[3:30:47] Voice 22: from our ferry advisory committee is adequate for what's going to go on down at fulford

[3:30:52] Voice 22: and we disagree with that we feel that the community and this is where the trust could

[3:30:58] Voice 22: really help a survey of the fulford residents uh more importantly than the rest of us but

[3:31:06] Voice 22: ask the community what they want done at fulford and there's really there's two options right to

[3:31:13] Voice 22: expand the car park and uh accommodate a hundred cars uh we have two proposals that have failed

[3:31:21] Voice 22: in the past stefan zermatt's not here today but he knows the whole background on this issue with

[3:31:28] Voice 22: regards to uh this gauntlet that we have both at the series which hopefully will be fixed in four

[3:31:34] years time but we still haven't got that

[3:31:36] Voice 22: situation fixed and covered and my feeling is with the

[3:31:40] Voice 22: submission the call for submissions uh is at the end of march 31st i realize it's only six weeks

[3:31:47] Voice 22: away but the fact of the matter is it would be nice if the trust came forward and said look

[3:31:53] Voice 22: what you want done here are two options that we have available to us how would you like to proceed

[3:31:59] Voice 22: and um yeah it's um it's an ongoing issue and uh the ocp was amended in 2008 by mr lamb and uh

[3:32:12] Voice 22: Mr. Erring and

[3:32:14] Voice 22: the other chap was

[3:32:16] Voice 22: Mr. Chigurh

[3:32:18] Voice 22: and the OCP was amended

[3:32:21] Voice 22: that OCP

[3:32:22] Voice 22: if you want to connect the dots

[3:32:25] Voice 22: caters for a solution for

[3:32:27] Voice 22: Fulford with regards to the

[3:32:28] Voice 22: situation and

[3:32:30] I think really the survey

[3:32:33] would really help writing

[3:32:35] the

[3:32:35] Voice 22: letters Laura that helps

[3:32:37] Voice 22: and I think it did help you know

[3:32:39] Voice 22: when we think back last year at this time

[3:32:40] Voice 22: in march when uh mr the chair uh mr lockham wrote uh modi uh uh rob funney in particular

[3:32:49] uh that did help and i think that helped in the submission that bc ferry supplied to

[3:32:57] the commissioner but i

[3:32:59] Voice 22: think the ingredient missing here is the full fruit fix and i think

[3:33:05] collectively uh

[3:33:06] Voice 22: we need to come together and and ramp it up get it suggest a solution for bc

[3:33:15] ferry's commissioner going forward because it it's not going away the

[3:33:22] Voice 22: parking issue is not going away

[3:33:23] Voice 22: and it seems that we have to have someone harmed before it does get solved and the person that

[3:33:29] Voice 22: fix this solution in my opinion is minister flaming himself thank you very much thank you

[3:33:35] Voice 10: very much okay continuing to move in this direction more hands yes please go ahead

[3:33:44] Voice 21: and i noticed that the just a couple days ago i was made aware that the next proposal is on

[3:33:51] Voice 21: on the agenda for discussion and possible issuance of the development permit. I got

[3:34:00] Voice 21: in contact with a couple of personations and there are serious concerns there and I want

[3:34:09] Voice 21: to just read to you an email. It's a copy of an email to you, but because she was concerned

[3:34:14] Voice 21: concerned that we may not receive it. She asked me to read it so that it would be available.

[3:34:22] Voice 21: It's from Karen Scott, who deals with consultations for Liaccin First Nation. And first she starts

[3:34:30] Voice 21: by thanking Robert Sam at Penelope for flagging the issue. She says, we have been opposing

[3:34:36] Voice 21: this from the outset and have not had satisfactory engagement or meaningful consultation with

[3:34:43] Voice 21: the islands trust nor have we been kept apprised of happenings as previously committed likely due

[3:34:50] Voice 21: to staff turnover at the trust we strongly recommend and request the ltc and islands trust

[3:34:57] Voice 21: commence meaningful discussions with our communities to understand the infringement

[3:35:02] Voice 21: this vortex development poses to our indigenous interests unfortunately i am in vancouver she's

[3:35:10] Voice 21: saying literally at the side of the road trying to get this to you to stop this development and

[3:35:16] Voice 21: that was this morning. LIAC's impersonation wants the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee to

[3:35:24] Voice 21: receive notice of our non-consent as previously articulated on many occasions. We are saddened

[3:35:30] Voice 21: and disappointed that once again Islands Trust and its LTCs are ignoring the voices of the

[3:35:35] Voice 21: Indigenous peoples who will bear the disproportionate impact of these harmful decisions.

[3:35:40] Voice 21: We request that the LTAHC explain how it has incorporated UNDRIP,

[3:35:46] Voice 21: the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous People,

[3:35:50] Voice 21: and the Islands Trust Policy Statement respecting reconciliation,

[3:35:54] Voice 21: our feedback, and the needs of impacted Indigenous communities in its decision-making.

[3:35:58] Voice 21: We look forward to hearing from you and ensuring our rights are protected.

[3:36:02] Voice 21: and she sent me um this long um email thread um back and forth with with jason yeomans the

[3:36:11] Voice 21: previous planner unfortunately the last time he was in touch with her was um after the august

[3:36:18] Voice 21: night meeting and um she responded um to him there after that meeting where there was

[3:36:27] Voice 21: some conditions set but a general movement ahead on the plan um she says um cowichan

[3:36:36] Voice 21: this is also from cowichan tribes there was an email from tracy fleming there couch and

[3:36:41] Voice 21: tribes trust that islands trust has changed the outdated approach um and will not permit

[3:36:46] Voice 21: this redevelopment to proceed instead encourage the area to be restored to its pre-settlement

[3:36:51] Voice 21: and ecological function and that aligns with the y-axis and position so there's a lot a lot more

[3:36:58] Voice 21: other comments through this um lengthy there's been a lot of statements on the record but um

[3:37:07] Voice 21: and i fully support karen's concerns and and i think there's a lot of people on

[3:37:12] Voice 21: salt spring care who really want to see proper reconciliation there needs to be

[3:37:16] Voice 21: free prior and informed consent about these kinds of developments that impact

[3:37:21] Voice 21: impact um we don't see the territories and I call on the trustees to to consider this and and take

[3:37:30] Voice 21: the time to really have that meaningful consultation and deal with deal with the issues um in the letter

[3:37:37] Voice 21: that Peter McAllister and I wrote where I'm also we also pointed out storm surge and sea level rise

[3:37:42] Voice 21: implications lots to still consider please consider it carefully could I ask one quick question too of

[3:37:50] Voice 21: of Cora, because you mentioned that

[3:37:52] Voice 21: you would require

[3:37:55] Voice 21: permits from the archeological branch,

[3:37:57] Voice 21: and I'm just curious if those have been received.

[3:38:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): Asking me, it's a condition of the permit.

[3:38:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's staff would be, who would know?

[3:38:11] Voice 21: There are concerns about the archeological

[3:38:14] Voice 21: assessments that we've done.

[3:38:18] Voice 6: Mr. Chair, Mr. Foligno to join in on the meeting.

[3:38:23] Voice 15: file manager.

[3:39:09] Voice 16: Hi there. I'm unaware of any permits that had

[3:39:12] Voice 16: been received by the ARC branch. Okay,

[3:39:18] Voice 10: thank you for that. All

[3:39:21] Voice 10: right. I'm going to continue moving across the room this

[3:39:25] Voice 10: way. This gentleman. Yes, please.

[3:39:29] Voice 10: Glenn Stevens. And I'm going to be asking you a simple

[3:39:38] proposition, a simple proposition. I represent a

[3:39:44] Voice 17: group

[3:39:46] Voice 17: of concerned salt spring island residents are concerned with the environmental pollution of

[3:39:51] Voice 17: our homes and what we would ask today is that trust for 2023 make what we call our clean and

[3:39:59] Voice 17: safe harbor initiative a trust priority um the trust already has authority over the land through

[3:40:11] Voice 17: its uh bylaw number 355 which is the salt spring land use bylaw that was implemented in 1999

[3:40:19] Voice 17: to control buildings and structures over the land and that includes the land

[3:40:24] Voice 17: under our value of harbors indeed we are premising our approach and we've talked about

[3:40:31] Voice 17: how we would approach this by the authority that the trust already has a referencing 3.19

[3:40:38] Voice 17: of that Bioware which says nobody can dwell on vessels

[3:40:43] Voice 17: in the harbor except certain vessels,

[3:40:48] Voice 17: fishing and the like.

[3:40:49] Voice 17: Indeed, that 319 Bioware was stayed during COVID

[3:40:55] Voice 17: and said, we're not gonna enforce this.

[3:40:57] Voice 17: Now, quite frankly, I don't know if it's ever been enforced,

[3:41:01] Voice 17: but we wanna make it clear that we're not trying

[3:41:05] Voice 17: to kick people out of the harbor living on their vessels but at the very least there have been laws

[3:41:10] Voice 17: in place since at least 2012 federal and provincial that require that each of the pleasure vessels

[3:41:18] Voice 17: have appropriate um disposal and waste container equipment so that it doesn't pollute our harbors

[3:41:26] Voice 17: so what we're um proposing is to um amend and you'll see this we're going to be bringing this

[3:41:33] Voice 17: to the trust attention in april we'll have a number of people who will be joining us

[3:41:38] Voice 17: then we're going to be um suggesting an amendment to the bible 319 that requires people who want to

[3:41:46] Voice 17: live on their vessels or war or birth in the harbor or place moorings or buoys in the harbor

[3:41:53] Voice 17: that they get a permit and in order to get a permit the boat would have to be registered it

[3:41:58] Voice 17: it'd have to be insurance, it'd have to be certification

[3:42:01] Voice 17: that it meets the requirements of these federal laws,

[3:42:05] Voice 17: and the permits would be issued for fees,

[3:42:08] Voice 17: depending upon how long you want to be in the harbor,

[3:42:12] Voice 17: whether you want to reside in your vessel permanently,

[3:42:14] Voice 17: or you could do it month to month or beyond 48 hours.

[3:42:24] Voice 17: Enforcement has been a concern with, I understand,

[3:42:28] Voice 17: and a general concern on all the islands we would use these fees we would use these fees

[3:42:36] Voice 17: for the administration of this program including necessary hiring additional staff to issue the

[3:42:44] Voice 17: permits to monitor the permits but also for enforcement purposes the trust has the ability

[3:42:50] Voice 17: to delegate bylaw enforcement, as we understand.

[3:42:56] Voice 17: It certainly can issue citations.

[3:42:58] Voice 17: And indeed, the current bylaw number 355

[3:43:02] Voice 17: can impose fines up to $5,000.

[3:43:06] Voice 17: We would also hope that the fees would support a solution,

[3:43:13] a

[3:43:13] Voice 17: garbage boat going through the harbors.

[3:43:16] Voice 17: But the bottom line is we need to get something done.

[3:43:19] Voice 17: We've all seen the damage.

[3:43:20] Voice 17: garbage, we've seen feces in the water, we've seen chairs in the water, we've seen actually

[3:43:27] Voice 17: someone pull out their, put their garbage on a dinghy and dump it into the water.

[3:43:32] Voice 17: So we're going to, we're asking the trust to make this a priority for this year.

[3:43:38] Voice 17: And our plan again is to come to the April meeting with a bylaw for the trust's consideration.

[3:43:43] Voice 17: consideration. And I know, again, like enforcement is a concern, but I'm confident we can solve it

[3:43:52] Voice 17: because we have to. I might also mention that this trust authority to do this by bylaw has been

[3:44:02] Voice 17: sanctioned by at least two courts already, two court decisions, which I can provide that

[3:44:07] Voice 17: information to the staff if necessary. I'm joined here by a number of the stakeholders

[3:44:12] Voice 17: coldings um give further support if they want to say anything thank you

[3:44:19] Voice 5: is there anyone else in the section that wants to speak yes in the back

[3:44:23] Voice 5: yes

[3:44:23] Voice 13: sir

[3:44:24] Voice 13: and I support Mr. Stephen's presentation.

[3:44:27] Voice 13: We spent a lot of time and energy

[3:44:29] Voice 13: looking at protecting the land, the silt creek,

[3:44:33] Voice 13: and thinking we can expand that to waters around the land

[3:44:37] Voice 13: because it is all part of the partnership synthesis.

[3:44:42] Voice 7: Yes, sir.

[3:44:43] Voice 7: Are you indeed willing to consider

[3:44:45] Voice 7: that this becomes a priority?

[3:44:49] Voice 10: Well, I cannot speak for the entire local trust committee,

[3:44:53] Voice 10: But if trustees want to comment now, or it's clear that you're intending to bring presentation to the April meeting, and then perhaps with a little bit more, you know, perhaps I don't know if trustees are ready to commit at this moment, or

[3:45:11] Voice 17: whether they would like to see

[3:45:12] Voice 10: that materials

[3:45:12] Voice 17: the commitment would be simply that a clean and safe harbor initiative be part

[3:45:18] Voice 17: of this year's priorities not agreeing to at this point to amend the bylaw or to do what i just said

[3:45:25] Voice 17: but to make that a priority so we can move forward and bring this in the attention and

[3:45:30] Voice 17: and have the inventory of the trust that this is in fact an important situation

[3:45:35] Voice 17: motion no

[3:45:36] Voice 4: trustee thank you mr chair so this is a priority and clearly we'll make it you know

[3:45:44] Voice 4: we're going to be listening to what you have to say in april and something that we have been

[3:45:48] Voice 4: talking about and and we care as well as what you're speaking to so we'll look forward to

[3:45:55] Voice 4: getting more information from you

[3:45:59] Voice 4: okay

[3:46:05] Voice 11: uh does anyone else like to speak in the town hall section

[3:46:09] Voice 11: okay so thank

[3:46:15] Voice 10: you very much folks for addressing the local trust committee

[3:46:19] Voice 10: and uh it's very important for us to hear from all of you so much appreciated

[3:46:35] Voice 11: Okay, so that brings us on to section 60 out and you reach what time point to the end here.

[3:46:47] Voice 11: So section 16.1 is in fact the vortex proposal.

[3:46:56] Voice 11: proposal um the staff report here uh you know uh

[3:47:04] Voice 6: uh item

[3:47:08] Voice 10: and uh could I ask you to

[3:47:12] Voice 8: thank you yeah it's especially for our our folks joining

[3:47:18] Voice 8: us virtually it's very difficult to hear

[3:47:20] Voice 8: thank you uh go

[3:47:25] Voice 15: ahead um good afternoon

[3:47:33] Voice 16: um so i'll be i'm going to be speaking to the vortex

[3:47:38] Voice 16: application uh dp 2018.14 which is located at 2621 and 2661 fulford ganges road um

[3:47:50] Voice 16: this this development permit concerns a proposal to construct 17 commercial guest accommodation

[3:47:55] Voice 16: accommodation units a restaurant and an accessory facilities at the address I just mentioned uh a

[3:48:02] Voice 16: report was presented to the Salt Spring Island local trust committee at the August 9 2022 regular

[3:48:07] Voice 16: meeting in which the application was conditionally approved under resolution uh number SS 2022-135

[3:48:15] Voice 16: five um that resolution um uh under point three stated that prior to the permit issuance and

[3:48:26] Voice 16: within 60 days of this resolution the applicant must submit for salt spring island ltc a reside

[3:48:31] Voice 16: revised landscaping plan consistent with sections e2 e.2.4 and e.2.8 of development permit area

[3:48:40] Voice 16: Area 2 to replace Schedule 4 in Development Permit SSDP 2018.14 and reflecting the relocated

[3:48:47] Voice 16: sewage disposal fields at the site. My rationale for this recommendation is that the applicant has

[3:48:56] Voice 16: fulfilled the conditions of the resolution set out by the LTC. The updated landscape plan is

[3:49:00] Voice 16: consistent with Sections E.2.4 and E.2.8 of the Development Permit Area 2 guidelines.

[3:49:06] Voice 16: lines therefore staff recommend that the ltc approve the development permit 2018.14 and

[3:49:11] Voice 16: corresponding development development variance permits uh resolution that states that the salt

[3:49:18] Voice 16: spring island local trust committee approved development permit so ssdp 2018.14 and request

[3:49:24] Voice 16: that staff issue said development permit as well as corresponding development permit ssdvp 2022

[3:49:31] Voice 16: 22 points or 2021.24 subject to any outstanding conditions therein an alternative to this

[3:49:38] Voice 16: resolution is a request for further information from the ltc hey

[3:49:45] Voice 10: thank you for that trustees any

[3:49:47] Voice 10: questions or comments i have a comment uh thank you chair thank

[3:49:51] Voice 4: you um there was a question posed

[3:49:53] Voice 4: at the town hall section about archaeological protection and i have read um in the report

[3:49:59] Voice 4: that this has been taken into consideration and it says here that the subject properties contain

[3:50:07] Voice 4: registered archaeological site any and all development must occur in accordance with

[3:50:12] Voice 4: site alteration permit from the british columbia archaeological branch under the ministry of

[3:50:16] Voice 4: forests lands natural resource operations and rural development so i'm assuming from reading

[3:50:23] Voice 4: that that this has been addressed and will it's it's noted and it won't be um you know it's the

[3:50:31] Voice 4: archaeological area will be protected i

[3:50:34] Voice 21: think the first nations also have concerns with regards to

[3:50:37] Voice 21: the ecological values and just the lack of um consultation um

[3:50:43] Voice 4: so um i see in this report that

[3:50:48] Voice 4: But a great deal of time and effort has been put into making sure that the creek is going to be protected from wastewater.

[3:51:04] Voice 4: And it's quite a nice plan.

[3:51:07] Voice 4: I support taking into account all the stakeholders and First Nations.

[3:51:15] Voice 4: the community, I think, is really going to benefit from this down there.

[3:51:22] Voice 4: I know there was a hole kind of put in the community's heart

[3:51:24] Voice 4: when the Fulford Inn became no more,

[3:51:29] Voice 4: and this could re-inject some vitality into the community.

[3:51:36] Voice 4: I'm in full support of staff's recommendations here to approve this.

[3:51:42] Voice 4: Thank you for that, Trustee Harris.

[3:51:44] Voice 9: Trustee Patrick?

[3:51:47] Voice 9: go ahead, Liz.

[3:51:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, yeah, no, I was there in August. And one of the key things we had at the

[3:51:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): time was we had a letter of support from the Tawasin First Nation was a significant item of

[3:52:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we had taken into account that day. I do know that, you know,

[3:52:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): um now i mean we have these emails of some um uh concern that was raised to today um and

[3:52:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): indicating there may or may not have been conversations with staff and staff at the

[3:52:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): nations uh uh since august so i i don't i would probably like to have some information

[3:52:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): nation to understand you know consultation i know is is not the correct word we we don't have the

[3:52:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): authority to consult first nations um but i i'd like to make sure um you know in this case you

[3:52:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): know we dot our i's and cross our t's that we've done what we're supposed to do um you know so i

[3:53:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's my only issue and i don't know if staff have any insight on the correspondence we received

[3:53:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): received today and the significance of it uh

[3:53:09] Voice 16: i can speak to it a little bit um based on the

[3:53:12] Voice 16: the uh email chain that i i received is is the email that was read in the town hall

[3:53:17] Voice 16: and from the actual chain i can see that the the correspondence uh that um former planner

[3:53:26] Voice 16: human sent out was indeed uh after the august ltc meeting on august 16th and um there was no

[3:53:35] Voice 16: other correspondence in in in reply to that email sent until earlier today um i i hadn't received

[3:53:43] Voice 16: any correspondence any sort of um uh issues with with the application um so it it it's difficult

[3:53:54] Voice 16: for me to to speak to the the uh consultation portion when this is popping up the day of this

[3:54:00] Voice 16: this LTC meeting.

[3:54:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, so Mr. Chair, I mean, that's what I just would like

[3:54:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): to put those pieces together just so that I think,

[3:54:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): is there urgency that this has to occur today

[3:54:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): or can we get those answers to this?

[3:54:26] Voice 9: Yeah, thank

[3:54:27] Voice 10: you, Trustee Patrick.

[3:54:28] Voice 10: I think I hear what you're saying and perhaps

[3:54:32] Voice 10: perhaps what you're talking about is it would sort of apply to the request for the information

[3:54:41] Voice 10: portion um i i completely appreciate that uh uh receiving uh communications

[3:54:50] Voice 10: um the day of the meeting is uh it makes difficult to to assess um uh you know how how to uh assess

[3:55:02] Voice 10: assessed to uh without in regard to uh the application um trustee harris if i may thank

[3:55:10] Voice 4: you mr chair yeah the the correspondence or information in the last day seems i think i

[3:55:19] Voice 4: may be seeing a pattern of this type of thing um which is kind of concerning um i fully respect

[3:55:27] Voice 4: respect the First Nations aspect of this I think steps have been taken to uh to ensure that the

[3:55:36] Voice 4: Creek um it isn't going to be um negatively affected by this I think there's nothing but

[3:55:43] Voice 4: positives that are going to come come out of this and I don't see what further information and how

[3:55:50] Voice 4: that's going to change what needs to be done here clearly huge time and effort has gone in this has

[3:55:56] Voice 4: been dragging on for years so you know again i for um you know for uh using staff time um

[3:56:10] Voice 4: you know instead of just spending more staff time and effort and when we have you know lots of

[3:56:15] Voice 4: things to uh deal with um it looks like effort has been put into this and all this all the steps and

[3:56:22] Voice 4: some checks and measures have been put in place.

[3:56:24] Voice 4: And again, I'd be more than happy to approve this today.

[3:56:33] Voice 5: Thank you

[3:56:34] Voice 10: for that, Trustee Harris.

[3:56:35] Voice 10: Trustee Patrick, anything further from you?

[3:56:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, yeah.

[3:56:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, the challenge is we have a lack of policy.

[3:56:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have a lack of procedure.

[3:56:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have a lack of protocol.

[3:56:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have more lacks than we have anything with the First Nations.

[3:56:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yet we have full authority to make decisions under the,

[3:56:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): the various acts and the procedures and things that we have. So we're in a very strange place

[3:56:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): in time and it's very frustrating. And so, yeah, getting a letter on the day of is never helpful.

[3:57:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm just, I do feel confident we have to make a decision and we have the authority to make the

[3:57:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): decision. But at the same time, you just want to make sure that we're not, we're also trying to

[3:57:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): of build relationships with these same nations. And, you know, so like I said, we're trying to do

[3:57:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): two things and all these things. So I think just taking, you know, taking some time, I don't want

[3:57:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): to indicate that I'm waffling on my decisions, not at all. Just want to make sure we understand

[3:57:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): the nature of the comments that we received today and any authorities that we do have or should have

[3:57:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): to respond. And like I said, it's very frustrating. We have one nation that gave strong support. I

[3:57:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, the support letter we received for the sale was written very strongly in support

[3:57:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): and was a big basis of the decisions that we made that day.

[3:58:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): So having now another nation say they don't support it, like I said, what's the policy?

[3:58:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that our job to be the arbitrator or not?

[3:58:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): And, you know, so this is confusing.

[3:58:16] Voice 4: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[3:58:18] Voice 4: If I may, I think if we request further information at this point, it's setting not a good precedent, in my opinion.

[3:58:33] Voice 4: You know, I think all the concerns have been met and will be met and will be ensured are met.

[3:58:41] Voice 4: They're quite stringent.

[3:58:43] Voice 4: um and let's face it this is private property and we're not we aren't we don't run in the

[3:58:53] Voice 4: position of power to requisition private property back from folks and hand it over to

[3:59:00] Voice 4: back to first nations so with all respect for first nations and yes we need relationships and

[3:59:06] Voice 4: we do have good relationships i don't think i don't see this facilitating our relationship

[3:59:10] Voice 4: and a positive manner by bending at the last minute.

[3:59:16] Voice 4: And I'm concerned that some people are seeking out First Nations

[3:59:22] Voice 4: and feeding them information to try and curb development here,

[3:59:30] Voice 4: when in fact, you know, this is a really positive thing

[3:59:33] Voice 4: and will be for the community.

[3:59:34] Voice 4: All checks and measures are in place and taken into account.

[3:59:38] Voice 4: the creek and um if anything this is going to improve that area because as it sits now

[3:59:43] Voice 4: it doesn't look good so again i'm in full support of putting this forward today thank you for that

[3:59:54] Voice 6: mr chair if i may clarify uh well one or two points um just to go back to the question

[4:00:00] Voice 6: thank trustee harris for pointing out that uh this is a little bit before my time still

[4:00:05] oriented to the complete

[4:00:06] Voice 6: uh nature of this dp um it's the the section on archaeology

[4:00:12] Voice 6: indicates that it is a condition uh of construction um this is typically so we

[4:00:18] haven't issued this permit yet um we by issuing that means we haven't registered

[4:00:23] it on title and sent it to the applicants and said you've got your permit um however

[4:00:28] However, once that's done,

[4:00:30] they're free to start the building process.

[4:00:33] Part of that includes meeting the conditions

[4:00:35] of this permit all the way through.

[4:00:37] So prior to construction,

[4:00:39] they do use the archaeological permit.

[4:00:41] So I

[4:00:41] Voice 6: don't imagine it's something you've started yet,

[4:00:43] Voice 6: but they will certainly undertake that work

[4:00:45] Voice 6: in order to be compliant with the permit.

[4:00:49] Voice 6: On the question of deferral,

[4:00:54] this resolution was passed back in August,

[4:00:57] unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[4:01:01] deferring at this point is not something that i

[4:01:02] Voice 6: would advise you to do um as this uh resolution

[4:01:09] Voice 6: seems to say that the permit is approved as original drafts in august and then add the

[4:01:13] Voice 6: additional condition that was back um it's very difficult to interpret what this means if somebody

[4:01:18] Voice 6: wanted to use the permit based on the resolution made in august so and that's as far as i'll

[4:01:24] Voice 6: i'll speak to that in open meeting um so i would i would suggest that if you're not willing to

[4:01:32] um if you're not content with the drawing that has been with with the applicant's efforts to

[4:01:39] meet the uh the guidelines um you can certainly provide us with a big comment back on how they

[4:01:47] can be improved

[4:01:48] Voice 6: um but i would not suggest that it is likely a good idea to contemplate further

[4:01:56] uh input on this um not for any rule

[4:02:00] Voice 6: of procedure of fairness but for the fact that this resolution

[4:02:02] Voice 6: exists um so the only option would be to rescind or defeat this previous resolution and somehow end

[4:02:09] Voice 6: up in a situation where the applicant would have to reapply which is not ideal so i would and i as

[4:02:16] Voice 6: mr perfino has indicated in his report um the drawings do need to be developed from the

[4:02:20] Voice 6: guideline um it's just some background information for you um that's uh okay

[4:02:28] Voice 9: thank you for that uh

[4:02:31] Voice 9: uh platter fatino uh

[4:02:37] Voice 16: thank you through the chair um uh to piggyback on uh rpm hutton's uh what he

[4:02:43] Voice 16: was saying it's my understanding based on my discussions with uh former planner humans before

[4:02:49] Voice 16: before he left that there was um opposition to this uh proposal before the august agenda

[4:02:57] Voice 16: uh the ltc agenda um and even with that opposition it was uh conditionally approved under the the um

[4:03:08] Voice 16: resolution that i had mentioned above so essentially today we're we're we're looking

[4:03:16] Voice 16: at whether or not they fulfilled the condition that was set out in uh resolution 2022-135 and

[4:03:22] Voice 16: in my opinion they have um so i just wanted to uh to mention that okay

[4:03:28] Voice 5: thank you for that

[4:03:29] Voice 5: clarification trustee

[4:03:31] Voice 4: harris thank you chair i'm fully prepared to make the motion to move forward

[4:03:38] Voice 4: here okay uh go ahead i move that the salt spring island local trust committee approved development

[4:03:47] Voice 4: permit SS-DP-2018.14 and request that staff issue SS-DP-2018.14 as well as corresponding

[4:04:03] Voice 4: development variance permit SS-DVP-2021.24 subject to any outstanding conditions therein.

[4:04:12] Voice 4: uh so move do i have a seconder the

[4:04:17] Voice 9: trustee are you seconding trustee patrick yes okay

[4:04:22] Voice 9: so the

[4:04:24] Voice 10: motion is on the floor has been moved and seconded uh any further comment on the on the

[4:04:30] Voice 10: message uh yes trustee patrick yeah

[4:04:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): no i'm i'd have to go back and i'd almost want to read the

[4:04:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): august because i understood that the staff had conversations with first nations after we had

[4:04:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): made that approval and that there had been you know because i i wasn't i did hear that there

[4:04:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): had been some conversations of not uh exceedingly happiness from other nations um yet you know

[4:05:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): because we had like said based our decision on sale and i know in that meeting we didn't go oh

[4:05:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): oh, look, we have two for and two against.

[4:05:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): That was not the information that we had last August.

[4:05:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): We had a letter of support from say out in the package

[4:05:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we had based our decision on that day.

[4:05:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): And so we weren't given other referral responses

[4:05:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): from other nations.

[4:05:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I just want to make sure that's very clear

[4:05:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): because that sounds like we didn't have that information.

[4:05:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't know what staff had or when staff received

[4:05:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): or when Planner Yeomans heard from anything,

[4:05:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I did hear after the decision was made

[4:05:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): that there was some conversations.

[4:05:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think, I don't know enough

[4:05:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): about the archeological branch permits,

[4:05:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I would assume that First Nations

[4:05:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): have the opportunity to influence the province

[4:05:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): who does have a requirement to consult with First Nations.

[4:05:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): We don't, we have that law, but the province does.

[4:06:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): does um so i i am can uh i you know so i'm hoping that that is the pathway that they can voice their

[4:06:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): opinions on and the other is i don't after i mean after we've got to figure out some policy

[4:06:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is as a trustee um really frustrating i i can't overly emphasize um because i'm trying to

[4:06:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): build a relationship. I really like working with the staff from LAX and have a great deal of

[4:06:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): respect for them and only see positive relationships coming, but yet we're always put in this

[4:06:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): position of making it look like we are trying not to build relationships. And this is not

[4:06:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): conducive to good decisions. So we need to figure this out.

[4:06:54] Voice 5: Okay, thank you for that. Any further comments?

[4:06:58] Voice 5: I would love to comment. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[4:07:00] Voice 4: Just on the latter part of what you're mentioning about a positive relationship. I don't, again, I don't think that answering this letter at the last minute like this is facilitating a positive relationship with the First Nation.

[4:07:18] Voice 4: though earlier

[4:07:19] Voice 19: can

[4:07:20] Voice 4: i can i ask you not to thank you um and i think that you know due diligence

[4:07:25] Voice 4: has been done and we do care and um and again as you're mentioning about the archaeological

[4:07:32] Voice 4: um aspect this is going to be um under scrutiny as this goes forward so i feel um again i'm in

[4:07:41] Voice 4: full support of moving this forward today and taking

[4:07:44] Voice 5: the next step here thank you for that

[4:07:47] Voice 5: anything further trustees okay

[4:07:54] Voice 10: um i'm just gonna take a moment and and say that uh

[4:07:59] Voice 10: um i i i can agree with trustee patrick that uh it you know there isn't clear policy

[4:08:09] Voice 10: uh laid out in a way that makes this process um clear for us as local uh members of the local

[4:08:19] Voice 10: trust committee um and and we have uh a trust council uh declaration on uh on on first nations

[4:08:33] Voice 10: reconciliation and and and i believe that's that that is important and um and i don't want in any

[4:08:41] Voice 10: the way to discount the objections of First Nations

[4:08:47] Voice 10: in any of these processes.

[4:08:50] Voice 10: But at the same time,

[4:08:54] Voice 10: we're put in a very difficult position,

[4:08:57] Voice 10: especially on this case,

[4:08:59] Voice 10: when there's already been a subject to approval.

[4:09:04] Voice 10: Staff advice is that we really don't have the room to defer

[4:09:09] Voice 10: uh if if we're going to continue to be following fair process here so this particular case is even

[4:09:19] Voice 10: more difficult than uh you know if this was something new coming to us or or what have you

[4:09:26] Voice 10: so i i also i feel really uncomfortable because i don't want uh for the the local trust committee

[4:09:34] Voice 10: to come across like we're in any way dismissive of the concerns of the First Nations in this case.

[4:09:41] Voice 10: Essentially we're in an impossible position, especially in the way this particular item before us sits,

[4:09:51] Voice 10: and it doesn't please me at all to be here in this condition.

[4:09:57] Voice 10: And I guess that's all I'm going to say.

[4:10:01] Voice 10: And it clearly points out that Islands Trust, Local Trust Committee, we need the province to really step up and help define what our roles are in these situations in a way that allows us to continue to do the business that we're mandated to do in terms of local planning.

[4:10:27] Voice 10: it um it's it's not uh anyway it's it's it's very frustrating and i'm gonna leave it at that and uh

[4:10:37] Voice 10: um given that we've heard from both the trustee did you want

[4:10:41] Voice 4: to say something i

[4:10:41] Voice 10: just wanted to

[4:10:42] Voice 4: thank you mr chair that yes it's frustrating the process isn't clear and being in this position

[4:10:48] Voice 4: definitely is not easy and i feel we can't let it if we if we if we start holding back

[4:10:57] Voice 4: at this point with these types of um applications it's not setting a good precedent and we will

[4:11:07] Voice 4: never get anything done what's being um um proposed down the foot it's actually quite

[4:11:16] Voice 4: nice it's not a giant high rise or a giant development this is going to be something

[4:11:23] Voice 4: good for the community um and being that the process isn't again going back to the process

[4:11:27] Voice 4: this isn't clear very frustrating we need to work on that um we can't let it hold we can't let it

[4:11:32] Voice 4: hold us back at this point we need to keep going ahead and uh and i again i shouldn't go on and

[4:11:39] Voice 4: be repeating myself but i'm in support um of moving this motion forward okay

[4:11:44] Voice 10: thank you well

[4:11:46] Voice 10: i think that's we've pretty much exhausted the discussion on this item at this point so that

[4:11:52] Voice 10: being the case uh reluctantly as it may be i'm gonna i'm gonna call the question uh all those

[4:11:57] Voice 10: those in favor okay and uh that uh motion carries thank you justice

[4:12:07] Voice 15: point to

[4:12:08] Voice 10: order i didn't well i

[4:12:13] Voice 10: didn't vote

[4:12:13] Voice 15: against it so that's okay yes i'm

[4:12:18] Voice 4: pointing yes i was just gonna um so you didn't

[4:12:22] Voice 4: call people because we both voted for it you didn't say all in favor all not in favor well

[4:12:26] Voice 4: and

[4:12:26] Voice 10: in fact if if i was intending to vote against then i would have called because because i watched

[4:12:33] Voice 10: see you both i got you got it right i got it so you didn't so that you know there's no extension

[4:12:38] Voice 10: really um it's symbol it's symbolic that i didn't raise my hand but it doesn't mean anything because

[4:12:45] Voice 10: i didn't actually

[4:12:46] Voice 15: call for opposition actually

[4:12:49] Voice 10: i get it an extension extension is a vote in favor

[4:12:53] Voice 10: yes thanks for a lot reluctantly but no problem and i have no problem uh taking the time to work

[4:12:59] Voice 10: work through the when these process questions like that it's important because it's not only you and

[4:13:04] Voice 10: me and and the other staff and the other trustees but also for clarity for the public what does that

[4:13:10] Voice 10: mean um so thank you for that okay uh this brings us to item 16.2 uh we have a staff report on this

[4:13:23] Voice 10: one as well who is leading on this um you know what's your chair then

[4:13:28] Voice 9: please uh go ahead you

[4:13:33] Voice 16: you guys will have me for one more after this too so okay

[4:13:36] Voice 8: that's all you today yeah

[4:13:38] Voice 16: um uh this

[4:13:40] Voice 16: application which is um application uh ss sub 2011.1 uh and this is in regards to uh location

[4:13:52] Voice 16: Location, Lot 1, Section 3, Range 1, West North Salt Spring Island Couch and District Plan, EPP 14611.

[4:14:03] Voice 16: This report concerns a covenant prepared for a proposed four-lot subdivision of the subject property.

[4:14:09] Voice 16: Staff request that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee consider acceptance of the covenant

[4:14:14] Voice 16: and designate the chair and one trustee to sign the covenant.

[4:14:19] Voice 16: The covenant is a condition of the subdivision.

[4:14:23] Voice 16: Um, sorry, I have my, uh, uh, staff recommend accepting the covenant as it is consistent

[4:14:32] Voice 16: with subsection 5.5.1 of the Salt Spring Island land use bylaw, which requires each lot in

[4:14:39] Voice 16: a proposed subdivision must be supplied potable water in accordance with the service level

[4:14:43] Voice 16: specified in part nine of the land use bylaw.

[4:14:46] Voice 16: Um, staff recommend that the Salt Spring Island local trust committee accept the covenant

[4:14:51] Voice 16: under section 219 of the land title act from the registered owners of pid 029-374-294 of the

[4:15:04] Voice 16: the address lot 1 section 3 range 1 west north salt spring island couch and district plan

[4:15:10] Voice 16: epp 14611 and designate the chair and trustee of the salt spring island local trust committee to

[4:15:17] Voice 16: sign the covenant for uh application sub 2011.2 and second recommendation is that the salt spring

[4:15:26] Voice 16: salt spring island local trust committee pursuant to section 512 of the local government

[4:15:31] Voice 16: act grant a 10 parcel frontage waiver on the subject property okay

[4:15:40] Voice 9: thank you for that uh

[4:15:42] Voice 9: trustees questions for the planner comments

[4:15:47] Voice 15: i'm in support of this okay

[4:15:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, yes. Sorry. My mind is still still on the on the last decision I'm having and mulling around some motions in my head as to.

[4:16:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Anyway, no, I think this is straightforward. I have no questions.

[4:16:16] Voice 10: OK, thank you. Then, as one of you prepared to make this just motion, then.

[4:16:24] Voice 4: please go ahead i move that the staff are sorry i move that the salt spring island local trust

[4:16:30] Voice 4: community accept the covenant under section 219 land title act from the registered owners of

[4:16:37] Voice 4: pid 029 374 294 block 1 section 3 range 1 west north salt spring island couch and district plan

[4:16:47] Voice 4: EPP 14611, and designate the chair and the trustee

[4:16:53] Voice 4: in the Salt Spring Interoperable Trust Committee

[4:16:55] Voice 4: to sign the covenant for SSUB 2011.2.

[4:17:02] Voice 9: Thank you.

[4:17:03] Voice 9: So moved, seconded, any further discussion?

[4:17:10] Voice 10: I have one question, which is that,

[4:17:14] Voice 10: and I guess this couldn't be dealt with later,

[4:17:16] Voice 10: but obviously it's just to designate the chair.

[4:17:18] Voice 10: and a trustee um so we'll be done when the covenant's prepared and ready to go

[4:17:24] Voice 10: we can just make the trustee at that point it's

[4:17:28] Voice 7: just we

[4:17:29] Voice 10: just need one trustee to sign

[4:17:31] Voice 10: okay it's not a the designation isn't important okay uh that being the case i'll call the question

[4:17:37] Voice 10: all those in favor uh that carries thank you and there's a second

[4:17:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): i can do the second motion

[4:17:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): I move that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:17:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): pursuant to section 512 of the Local Government Act

[4:17:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): grant a 10% parcel frontage waiver on the subject property.

[4:17:55] Voice 10: So moved.

[4:17:56] Voice 9: Do I have a seconder?

[4:17:59] Voice 9: Moved and seconded, motion's on the floor.

[4:18:02] Voice 9: Any further comment on the motion?

[4:18:06] Voice 10: Not seeing any, I'll go ahead and call the question.

[4:18:08] Voice 10: All those in favor?

[4:18:10] Voice 10: And that carries, thank you.

[4:18:12] Voice 10: uh that moves us on to 16.3 salt spring brewing corp and this is uh platter fatino again yeah

[4:18:26] Voice 16: so this is the staff report is in regards to file lcb-2021.1 and uh the location of the subject

[4:18:36] Voice 16: property is at 270 furnace road the purpose of this report is to seek direction of the salt

[4:18:42] Voice 16: Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee on the public consultation requirement for a liquor

[4:18:46] Voice 16: license application submitted by Salisbury Island Brewing for their lounge and patio on 270 Furness

[4:18:54] Voice 16: Road.

[4:18:57] Voice 9: Okay, thank you for that. Any questions, trustees? Trustee Patrick?

[4:19:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): My only question is

[4:19:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): kind of related to what we had earlier today regarding, you know, trying to move our town

[4:19:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): town hall portions or public facing portions to the evenings the night before.

[4:19:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I know this is recommending that we run a community information meeting during our

[4:19:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): daytime meeting.

[4:19:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I just think, you know, I don't know what concerns that there are, but I think, you

[4:19:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): know, that these are important things of in neighborhoods of expanding, you know, businesses

[4:19:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): that have traffic and so forth going all the way down a road that, you know, people need

[4:19:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): need to be given the opportunity to be able to speak.

[4:19:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): And as yes, I guess they can write letters.

[4:19:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): That is always an opportunity,

[4:19:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I was hoping that maybe in March

[4:19:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): we'd be able to have a public facing meeting

[4:19:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): the night before of our meeting,

[4:20:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): but it sounds like we're not ready to get there yet.

[4:20:06] Voice 5: Okay, thank you

[4:20:07] Voice 4: for that Trustee Harris.

[4:20:09] Voice 4: in regards to this um recommendation uh i'm in full support the community down there at

[4:20:15] Voice 4: furnace road is very tight um small community and the brewery has been there for years

[4:20:22] Voice 4: and doing business so i think this is pretty straightforward and um and i'd be more than

[4:20:30] Voice 4: happy to move this forward and take staff's recommendation here okay are you prepared to

[4:20:37] Voice 4: to make a motion then?

[4:20:38] Voice 4: Yes, please.

[4:20:39] Voice 4: Okay, please go ahead.

[4:20:40] Voice 4: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:20:42] Voice 4: request staff to undertake notification

[4:20:44] Voice 4: and schedule a community information meeting

[4:20:46] Voice 4: for referral application SSLCB2022.1

[4:20:54] Voice 4: for Salt Spring Brewing Lounge.

[4:20:56] Voice 4: So moved.

[4:20:57] Voice 4: Do I have a seconder?

[4:20:59] Voice 4: Trustee Patrick is seconding.

[4:21:02] Voice 9: Any further discussion on the motion?

[4:21:07] Voice 9: Seeing none, I'll call the question.

[4:21:09] Voice 9: All in favor?

[4:21:12] Voice 9: and that

[4:21:12] Voice 10: motion carries thank you very much uh okay so we have uh

[4:21:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): mr chairs i was gonna also

[4:21:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): ask you know we have that one item we're gonna go back and visit i would like to have a just

[4:21:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): to discuss um sort of related to the policy or protocols uh with first nations uh once again so

[4:21:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): that could be added to the agenda not not the application but relationships

[4:21:43] Voice 10: uh today or to next agenda today

[4:21:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[4:21:48] Voice 10: um you have any concern for that just yours

[4:21:53] Voice 10: no all right um glad that i guess

[4:22:05] Voice 10: procedurally not the best thing trustee uh patrick as you know but i'll entertain it today

[4:22:12] Voice 10: uh uh we'll get to that after 9.2 then um

[4:22:23] Voice 10: yeah and i'm i'm hoping that trustee patrick has some suggestions of requesting information

[4:22:30] Voice 10: or developing policy or something around that that could be uh pertinent to what happened today

[4:22:38] Voice 10: um so but let's we're going to go to 9.2 which is advisory planning commissions and special

[4:22:43] Voice 10: advisory planning commissions for salt spring a local trust committee projects there's a staff

[4:22:49] Voice 10: report there and who is taking that one today uh mr

[4:22:56] Voice 6: chair the um this report was presented back in

[4:23:03] january and um we've since received one correspondent which is attached as

[4:23:15] but the report remains unchanged recommendation is to uh thank the hunting action program

[4:23:22] Voice 6: task force the dandy village planning task force uh for their uh their service and

[4:23:30] Voice 6: advised awards completed um and the further the salt spring island local trust committee

[4:23:36] Voice 6: request staff to incorporate use of the apc according with the report

[4:23:40] Voice 6: okay thank

[4:23:52] Voice 10: you for that uh mr hutton there's uh three recommendations in front of us

[4:23:58] Voice 10: local trust committee uh comments trustee patrick yeah

[4:24:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): no this is one of the reasons why i asked

[4:24:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we defer it from the last meeting because we were going to try to hurry and make decisions and

[4:24:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): i really wanted to make sure we took the time to discuss this uh correctly i am really opposed to

[4:24:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): saying thank you very much to the housing task force you've you've done your job bye bye um you

[4:24:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): know no we have a hospital that's at 50 staffing levels we have a housing emergency all over the

[4:24:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): the place. Could we improve how we work with our task forces? Absolutely. But I think it's premature

[4:24:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): to let them go. We just passed a motion earlier about asking about what could be done to the OCP.

[4:24:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): And this is a group of people who have put their hearts and soul and have been asking over and

[4:24:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): over again, when are you going to let us get back to work? So we have a group of Islanders who are

[4:25:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): are dedicated to this they have um you know they've produced a preliminary report but they

[4:25:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): they're sitting there as our an asset to us an asset to uh help make these decisions that we

[4:25:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): have coming um you know we sure we could have a housing um advisory planning commission as well

[4:25:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): but i mean right now we have the task force they exist perhaps we need to to uh update the terms

[4:25:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): of reference, but I'm opposed to just saying you're finished, go away. I think we need to use

[4:25:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): them better than we have, and that we're only just beginning as we're talking about starting an OCP

[4:25:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): review, how to really take that time in the beginning and make sure the project charter is

[4:25:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): done well, that we define the project, and so that we can move into that project successfully.

[4:25:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): successfully so like i said i i think we need to keep the um the housing action task force

[4:25:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): the ganges village i you know that one okay you know we i don't know if we know what we're doing

[4:26:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): yet i know the project is coming forward um and um you know that that one i have less uh you know

[4:26:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): from where we were to where we're going the housing task for the ganges village task force

[4:26:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): is very different. And yeah, while the APC needs to incorporate some of these, it's going to take

[4:26:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): time to develop the APC to really be that functional group. So I'd say don't let the

[4:26:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): Housing Task Force go at this point. Maybe eventually the APC will evolve into something

[4:26:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): that has the right people around the table, but that's going to take some time.

[4:26:42] Voice 5: Okay. Thank you, Trustee Patrick. Trustee Harris, any comments on the report?

[4:26:46] Voice 5: it well the rationale for recommendation i

[4:26:49] Voice 4: think we talked about this the last at the last meeting

[4:26:51] Voice 4: and so it was my understanding that the people from the housing task force would still be working

[4:26:57] Voice 4: or can could work with the analyst trust it's a different avenue but uh yeah i don't want to get

[4:27:05] Voice 4: into a big debate um one of the seems like pretty fine new ones is there so um um you know i might

[4:27:14] Voice 4: tend to stick with Laura with this just too well okay at

[4:27:20] Voice 10: this point yeah well thank you for that

[4:27:22] Voice 10: and and I'll note that we did get some correspondence uh requesting that we don't

[4:27:27] Voice 10: that we don't proceed with a recommendation number one here

[4:27:30] Voice 23: I'm I'm on the housing task

[4:27:32] Voice 23: force yes I'm here because

[4:27:34] Voice 8: that's what you're here for okay um

[4:27:36] Voice 23: nobody discussed any of this

[4:27:38] Voice 23: with us, which is shocking to me. I don't know what potential reasons could have ever been given

[4:27:44] Voice 23: for disbanding us. We've made it very clear that we've taken our first steps and we have a lot more

[4:27:50] Voice 23: to do. You have a group of people who are prepared to work very hard. Our next step was to vote into

[4:27:55] Voice 23: the community and start asking questions from everybody about your ideas, your thoughts,

[4:28:00] Voice 23: your policies. We see ourselves as an asset to the trust. We're prepared to work hard for free.

[4:28:08] Voice 23: and get as much information to relay back to our trustees as we possibly can so that the

[4:28:14] Voice 23: best possible decision can be made for all parties um so i'm sitting here quite shocked

[4:28:19] Voice 23: that anybody would make any recommendation in any way shape or form not to have valuable

[4:28:24] Voice 23: hard-working free help thank you for that

[4:28:27] Voice 10: and i'll note that i also heard uh uh some concern

[4:28:33] Voice 10: that there hadn't been any interface,

[4:28:37] Voice 10: any communication with the housing task force

[4:28:42] Voice 10: in that regard.

[4:28:43] Voice 10: So we have three recommended resolutions

[4:28:49] Voice 10: I'm hearing from trustees that not a lot of support

[4:28:53] Voice 10: for recommendation number one.

[4:28:56] Voice 10: And what I'm wondering is if there's some desire

[4:29:01] Voice 10: to move some of these other recommendations at this time.

[4:29:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): Can I make one, on the Ganges Village,

[4:29:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): could we not just thank them,

[4:29:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): but invite them to apply to be on the APC?

[4:29:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): Do we need to modify the motion to do that?

[4:29:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Because I know we're going to be advertising again

[4:29:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): for members, so.

[4:29:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh

[4:29:34] Voice 9: yeah i i don't i don't see any particular difficulties with that but i'm focusing uh

[4:29:40] Voice 9: which planet share

[4:29:42] Voice 6: um so the um with regards to ganges um yeah i i don't see any we would

[4:29:52] certainly uh incorporate in that letter that uh indicate that um there we can certainly help

[4:30:00] timeline for application to the apc sure uh and encourage them to apply

[4:30:06] Voice 10: um that's okay

[4:30:09] Voice 10: can

[4:30:09] Voice 6: you

[4:30:10] Voice 10: do that as a matter of course or would you like the resolution to reflect that specifically

[4:30:14] Voice 10: i think we can do it as a matter of course if it's within the intention of the report

[4:30:18] okay to consolidate as much as possible um i will if i may mr chair yes uh i do want to underline

[4:30:26] that um this coming fiscal year uh the work plan is being established at that point there is no

[4:30:33] budget um for um for the housing action program there's no um there's nothing in our work plan so

[4:30:41] uh there's no staff time there's

[4:30:44] Voice 6: no budget for any type of support um we'll also add that some

[4:30:47] Voice 6: of my my understanding that some of the actions of the housing action program has sought to undertake

[4:30:53] Voice 6: does not follow the authority of the island trust and so it has been suggested that the

[4:30:57] Voice 6: housing action program task force may do better as an independent organization advocating for

[4:31:02] for housing in communities rather than being attached to the the rigors of the island

[4:31:09] um

[4:31:10] Voice 10: i only put that

[4:31:12] Voice 6: there for consideration

[4:31:13] Voice 10: well thank you for that advice and uh and uh

[4:31:19] Voice 10: trustees will take that i saw laura patrick here uh go ahead please well

[4:31:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): just to follow up i mean

[4:31:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): we are a coordinating body those are the powers that we have within our act that we are a

[4:31:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): power we have no authority to to do a complete job on anything um so yeah uh the the everyone

[4:31:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): has come back with the same suggestion uh for years if we go back into i don't know when the

[4:31:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): first time it came up that we need a you know interagency uh commitment to get this done and

[4:31:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): like a swipa if you want to use that word but no one has come up to fund it we have a housing

[4:31:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): council they're doing what they can to support the projects that are coming uh we do need to

[4:32:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): advance and move to something much greater um so the the task force is what we have for uh support

[4:32:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): And when we see the project charter and the details for the OCP project coming up, we're going to have to have advisory help on that.

[4:32:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): And if we could potentially dedicate some of those funds toward making this happen.

[4:32:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I'll leave it there.

[4:32:31] Voice 4: Okay. Thank you for that.

[4:32:33] Voice 4: A little bit of confusion here, but maybe Bryce Chapman can enlighten me.

[4:32:38] Voice 4: me um so if what managed planning manager Hutton has suggested as the housing test supposed to be

[4:32:47] Voice 4: its own entity and still continue doing what is the disadvantage of that

[4:32:52] Voice 23: um I don't see the

[4:32:54] Voice 23: necessity I do understand the budget restrictions I really do um uh but we have suggested that we

[4:33:02] Voice 23: don't need staff all the time we can take our own minutes we can do things we are prepared to even

[4:33:07] Voice 23: and be quite honest some of us prepared to kick down our own

[4:33:10] Voice 23: funds to take care of things

[4:33:11] Voice 23: because we believe so strongly that we have a housing crisis and we've got we've got a little

[4:33:18] Voice 23: bit of momentum going but we as a group have already planned out our next year's activity

[4:33:25] Voice 23: if we're allowed to carry on which is to simply support and maybe take some of the burden off the

[4:33:32] Voice 23: trust staff a little bit because we know they're overworked and we know they're under budgeted

[4:33:36] Voice 23: and uh we will do it i would prefer to standard the purview of the trust it gives us the ability

[4:33:43] Voice 23: to speak to people with a little more authority if you will and solicit answers from people um

[4:33:50] Voice 23: and it you know it does doesn't hurt us to have some rules we need to follow too you know so we

[4:33:56] Voice 23: don't get out of hand with stuff so

[4:33:58] Voice 4: yeah can we not do some kind of an endorsement or something

[4:34:01] Voice 4: thing if it uh to the housing council to our housing task force to give you that authority

[4:34:08] Voice 4: to is there something like along those lines possibly all i'm saying

[4:34:11] Voice 23: is we're willing to help

[4:34:12] Voice 23: whatever purview you guys think works the best uh we're good um yeah if i may mention chair um

[4:34:21] this sort of underlines the challenge of the app um apc members um as apc members are subject

[4:34:28] same rules of procedural fairness the LTC is subject to.

[4:34:33] So publishing of agendas, transparency,

[4:34:36] not meeting in a quorum outside of a scheduled meeting.

[4:34:39] These are the challenges that are somewhat at the root.

[4:34:45] I mean, there's

[4:34:46] Voice 6: a practicality approach to this

[4:34:47] Voice 6: of having the opportunity to consolidate APCs

[4:34:50] Voice 6: of a singular and moderated,

[4:34:54] Voice 6: if we can have an APC that's the balance

[4:34:57] Voice 6: and the development policy processes that we regularly that we can manage it in terms of a

[4:35:02] Voice 6: reasonable size um rather than having these multiple groups um this is this is really

[4:35:07] beneficial to us um and then you and the other part of the community that you know if if the

[4:35:14] hoping action program

[4:35:14] Voice 6: passports wants to uh move quickly if they want to you know operate um you

[4:35:20] Voice 6: know in cooperation with the lpc that's always possible and you saw today many groups come to

[4:35:25] Voice 6: the lpc and speak to you and i think that it's up to each lpc member and each lpc to determine

[4:35:31] Voice 6: how much they support those community groups and their efforts so um there's nothing stopping an

[4:35:37] individual housing agency uh in fact i would argue could possibly do more um but housing

[4:35:44] employees involved in an invited capacity um would be possibly

[4:35:48] Voice 6: more more constructive um

[4:35:51] Voice 6: within the apc structure uh and allow the program to simply be a community group and do the work

[4:35:59] Voice 10: yeah okay thank you i i hear what you're saying i'm also hearing from uh from trustees that they're

[4:36:08] Voice 10: not uh they're not feeling supportive of expanding uh this task force at this time

[4:36:14] Voice 10: so we'll we'll take that under advisement and uh trustee harris so

[4:36:20] Voice 4: what i'm hearing is that

[4:36:22] Voice 4: if if the housing task force was to be more um independent with an endorsement from the

[4:36:36] Voice 4: trust it would maybe be easier and free up time for them and then if we were to add

[4:36:45] Voice 4: which somebody from the housing task force could then be on the advisory planning commission

[4:36:51] Voice 4: that could be even more productive and is that something that would suit the housing task

[4:36:58] Voice 4: workers

[4:36:59] Voice 23: if we can help it work for chris because we're all on the same page we don't really have

[4:37:03] Voice 23: a problem our only concern is not having legitimacy to speak um just to be one of a

[4:37:08] Voice 23: thousand community groups that pop up and down this island every single day that is our big

[4:37:13] Voice 23: concern if we want to you know have serious discussions and say well okay uh we are the

[4:37:19] Voice 23: housing committee we would like to ask you these questions i

[4:37:22] Voice 4: understand that may i

[4:37:23] Voice 4: speak to church

[4:37:24] Voice 4: of what he just said is there a way to staff that we can facilitate what bryce chapman is vocalizing

[4:37:33] Voice 4: there with and please and maybe you know suit staff as well thank you that question uh

[4:37:42] Through the chair, I'd suggest that the only way for LTC to appoint committees, which is

[4:37:51] what the Housing Action Program Task Force is and what our agency is, when we do that,

[4:37:57] they're in the procedural process.

[4:37:58] So in terms of what endorsement looks like, it would either be individual projects, which

[4:38:06] which the many groups have done projects in the report.

[4:38:12] And then there's also possibly something like an MOU,

[4:38:15] and then in the future,

[4:38:17] you may look at something like a fee for service process

[4:38:21] where you would actually have a, you know,

[4:38:24] Voice 6: a basically a contracting out a function.

[4:38:28] Voice 6: That's something that I think we'd have to pay return.

[4:38:31] Voice 6: So, but it's sort of a building process.

[4:38:36] Voice 6: yeah okay

[4:38:37] Voice 9: thank you for that uh trustee uh patrick my

[4:38:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): point is we don't need to make the

[4:38:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): decision today let's not disband them and lose the resources let's proceed we're going to be

[4:38:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): doing our project charter for the ocp which is going to have a big piece of being housing review

[4:38:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): how we want to use this group to our to the best benefit for this project that's coming up um and

[4:39:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): And, you know, whether they're an APC or remain a task force, I'm just saying we can figure that out as we get there.

[4:39:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Just saying, oh, yeah, they can go be a group. That doesn't work on Salt Spring.

[4:39:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): Welcome. We have the Housing Council. They've existed since 2011, unfunded.

[4:39:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): And, you know, it takes money to to pull these organizations together.

[4:39:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): And here's one that already exists and it doesn't have funding. So let's just take a breath.

[4:39:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't disband them let's allow us to move into the definition of the OCP

[4:39:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): project that we have coming and let's utilize them the best we can in that

[4:39:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): process I

[4:39:44] Voice 5: was hoping

[4:39:48] Voice 4: to suggest that we can defer this

[4:39:51] Voice 8: and

[4:39:53] Voice 4: have staff come back

[4:39:56] Voice 4: with maybe some other alternative motions or motion that might facilitate something closer to

[4:40:06] Voice 4: what is a what we were talking about um

[4:40:09] Voice 15: and

[4:40:10] Voice 4: um being that mr chapman has said they're doing this

[4:40:13] Voice 4: for free and and more you know they're more than happy to you know we can take that into

[4:40:19] Voice 4: consideration well maybe

[4:40:20] Voice 23: we can take a step further chris will let us know what his budgetary

[4:40:24] Voice 23: like i don't know what i have no idea what we cost poor sarah and rob to sit there and listen

[4:40:29] Voice 23: to this drone on and on and on but um let us know what it is and we are a very committed group we'll

[4:40:35] Voice 23: find a way to raise some money we'll take some of the burden off if that helps i mean we want to fix

[4:40:40] Voice 23: the problem in the silent um we know it's a multi-step thing and um you know don't be don't

[4:40:48] Voice 23: be afraid to slap our hands if we step out of line because i know there's been a few occasions where

[4:40:52] Voice 23: we have this entire conversation yeah

[4:40:57] Voice 9: it's it's it's

[4:40:59] Voice 6: devolving it's devolving into

[4:41:00] Voice 10: a bit more of

[4:41:01] Voice 10: a conversation for sure so

[4:41:02] Voice 6: um if if um if the ltc would like to move a resolution for us to advise

[4:41:09] on um alternative ways that we can uh look at um i'm just like it's there's housing

[4:41:19] Voice 6: uh there's the

[4:41:21] Voice 6: housing action um you know i think that the assumption that with that the ocp is going to

[4:41:29] Voice 6: include a an apc or an advisory body isn't something that they're sorted out yet um there

[4:41:36] Voice 6: needs to be that needs to be further assessed um so we need to acknowledge that um and then

[4:41:41] Voice 6: would like for us to find ways to keep the housing action program task force operating

[4:41:48] Voice 6: is doing housing action then we can provide some options in the meantime there's no budget

[4:41:56] and there's no staff time for meetings posting

[4:42:01] Voice 6: meetings so meeting of these members should not

[4:42:04] Voice 6: continue should not happen anytime soon provided for the directions on their terms so okay thank

[4:42:14] Voice 8: thank you for that clarity um trustee harris um i would

[4:42:19] Voice 4: could i i would make a move stating

[4:42:23] Voice 4: something like um can we defer this pending uh further information

[4:42:32] Voice 4: mr

[4:42:33] Voice 6: chair if you could um kind of just clarify what information you would like uh

[4:42:39] Voice 4: very helpful on how the relationship between the animals trust and the housing task force

[4:42:48] Voice 4: can continue positive taking budgetary realities into

[4:42:58] Voice 5: consideration yep and i'm just going to wait

[4:43:02] Voice 5: to laura i'm just going to hold hold hold for a sec there um and we'll just see how uh see some

[4:43:11] Voice 15: some mad typings going on.

[4:43:22] Voice 5: So I'm just going to

[4:43:23] Voice 5: check in with Trustee Patrick

[4:43:25] Voice 5: and see if she, before we finalize the motion,

[4:43:29] Voice 5: see if she had some thoughts

[4:43:30] Voice 5: about what it might want to say there.

[4:43:32] Voice 5: Is that what you're leaving your hand for, Trustee?

[4:43:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, by not disbanding them right now,

[4:43:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's automatically deferring it.

[4:43:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): So you're doing two things by not disbanding them.

[4:43:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): All I'm suggesting is we have an OCP project coming

[4:43:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): and approaches charter coming we will have the opportunity to talk about what we need and how

[4:43:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): to structure the advice and uh that we're going to want uh in support of that project when we get

[4:44:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): there so we're kind of premature um now funding if we haven't budgeted for any of that like i said

[4:44:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): we we do have an ocp project that is got you know a fairly quasi robust although it lost all its

[4:44:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's analysis money. But we have 21,000 that's still sitting unspent for housing. Should there

[4:44:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): be some carried over for operational costs for next year if we did not have sufficient funding?

[4:44:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I see this as part of the OCP review. The whole original project was supposed to create

[4:44:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): an action plan of how to prioritize everything that needs to be done to improve housing.

[4:44:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): housing so we still don't have that but uh you know we're going to take off down working on the

[4:44:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): ocp now um you know so let's just wait till we figure out the project charter for the ocp and

[4:44:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): if we have to carry over some funding maybe somebody better get on that okay thank you

[4:45:03] Voice 5: trustee patrick uh trustee harris i'm

[4:45:07] Voice 4: i'm just thinking that this motion may

[4:45:11] Voice 4: um help us make you know this is a step step in the right direction and help us uh figure this

[4:45:19] Voice 4: stuff out as we go as opposed to not doing anything and then making a motion like this later

[4:45:24] Voice 5: okay and then that's you know what i want to do is just check here with the mistake and see what

[4:45:31] Voice 10: we've captured thus far um in terms i think we're moving towards a motion

[4:45:36] Voice 8: there what have we got

[4:45:37] Voice 8: read

[4:45:37] Voice 19: it back okay uh the salt spring island local trust committee defer consideration of disbanding

[4:45:44] Voice 19: the housing housing action program task force pending further information on how the relationship

[4:45:52] Voice 19: between the housing action program task force and islands trust can't continue

[4:45:58] Voice 5: okay uh and that's

[4:46:02] Voice 5: It's taking, I mentioned the budgetary realities

[4:46:05] Voice 5: into consideration.

[4:46:08] Voice 5: Okay, I just want to check in with staff.

[4:46:10] Voice 5: Do you feel like there's enough direction there for?

[4:46:14] Voice 5: It's a

[4:46:14] Voice 10: little, this is a bit more than simply deferring.

[4:46:18] Voice 10: Does that seem all right with you?

[4:46:20] Voice 10: The program report back in which-

[4:46:22] Voice 10: Yeah, yeah, and I mean,

[4:46:23] Voice 10: and I think as far as the budgetary implications,

[4:46:25] Voice 10: that would almost be a matter of course as well, right?

[4:46:27] Voice 10: As

[4:46:27] Voice 6: a matter of fact,

[4:46:28] Voice 6: uh

[4:46:28] Voice 10: previewing that he's very brought out uh

[4:46:30] Voice 6: yeah yeah

[4:46:31] Voice 10: okay sure okay so uh so i'll consider that

[4:46:36] Voice 10: to move uh do i have a seconder for that trustee patrick thank you very much any further discussion

[4:46:43] Voice 10: on the motion i'm

[4:46:46] Voice 9: not seeing any so i'm going to go ahead and call the question

[4:46:49] Voice 10: for that all in

[4:46:51] Voice 10: favor uh and uh that carries as well thank you very much um so we have

[4:46:58] Voice 9: two more recommended

[4:47:00] Voice 9: motions in front of us uh is anyone prepared to um uh to address these uh i i did see uh to

[4:47:11] Voice 9: to trustee Patrick's earlier point

[4:47:15] Voice 9: that the Ganges Village area plan project

[4:47:22] Voice 9: is going to be incorporated into the APC work there.

[4:47:30] Voice 9: Is there anything further on that?

[4:47:32] Voice 9: Is either of you prepared to make one of the first

[4:47:35] Voice 15: of those motions?

[4:47:43] Voice 15: Trustee Patrick?

[4:47:44] Voice 15: sure

[4:47:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): um i'm gonna make the second one third one first because i think that would be the

[4:47:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): right proper priority to put it in i move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[4:47:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): request staff to incorporate use of the apc in accordance with the report from the regional

[4:48:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): planning manager on the

[4:48:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): project charters for ganges village area plan and the ocp lub amendment

[4:48:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): amendment project okay

[4:48:18] Voice 4: so move do I have a seconder sorry to be um what page is this on

[4:48:23] Voice 4: because I can't seem to find anyone it's uh I've got

[4:48:25] Voice 9: it on 115. okay I

[4:48:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): have it on page 78. yes I

[4:48:31] Voice 15: know isn't that fun is that is that this right here is the

[4:48:47] Voice 11: thing that's advisory planning

[4:48:48] Voice 11: Commission APC um

[4:48:51] Voice 10: well it's that's yeah so the this is the problem with it that's consolidated

[4:48:56] Voice 10: it because uh why don't you try page 78 on that one because that sounds like that's where laura

[4:49:02] Voice 10: is finding it hopefully

[4:49:07] Voice 8: that is right oh dear okay um okay so this is

[4:49:15] Voice 10: uh staff report on the

[4:49:19] Voice 10: advisor kind of planning committee one here we go that's the one right so she's moving number

[4:49:26] Voice 10: three first because she thinks that makes sense to do

[4:49:29] Voice 10: that one before that one um and that's

[4:49:31] Voice 10: number three there is the one i'm looking for a second or four are you

[4:49:38] Voice 11: comfortable seconding that motion yes

[4:49:43] Voice 9: yes okay so moved and seconded uh any further discussion

[4:49:47] Voice 9: on the motion not seeing any i'll call the question uh all in favor

[4:49:54] Voice 10: excellent that carries

[4:49:56] Voice 10: and then uh there's a recommended motion number two would someone like to make that motion

[4:50:05] Voice 5: could make a comment sure i'm

[4:50:09] Voice 4: confused is this not saying that um we're done with the

[4:50:14] Voice 4: genji's village planning task force that is what it's number two is saying so i i'm suggesting

[4:50:19] Voice 4: maybe we just don't even take this into consideration at this point things that we

[4:50:24] Voice 4: have this other motion that we made previous that

[4:50:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): was in relation to housing uh

[4:50:31] Voice 9: i think you

[4:50:32] Voice 9: i think trustee harris is referring to the

[4:50:34] Voice 10: motion that just carried

[4:50:35] Voice 9: am i correct

[4:50:38] Voice 4: well and well no

[4:50:40] Voice 4: No, I'm the one that I proposed, so maybe I'm confused or tired here, but it seems to me like this is saying the work is done.

[4:50:47] Voice 4: And thank you. See you later.

[4:50:52] Voice 5: OK, so I could be wrong.

[4:50:57] Voice 5: Trustee Patrick, did you have a comment?

[4:50:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, he's got a very valid point. The work isn't done.

[4:51:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): um it's just that you're disbanding the task force and saying thank you very much

[4:51:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): and you're rolling them into the apc for ganji's village that's how i read this

[4:51:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): so maybe the wording of that motion does need to be a little bit different uh instead of saying

[4:51:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you it's uh your work has been

[4:51:27] Voice 4: done through the chair um please or do we um defer this

[4:51:32] Voice 4: um as we did the first first motion to be considered after that does that make sense

[4:51:40] Voice 5: i

[4:51:41] Voice 10: i understand what you're saying uh um i apologize for yeah um and it's it's getting

[4:51:48] Voice 10: to be that the long end of the day i completely understand um so uh i'm not hearing anyone

[4:52:00] Voice 10: on jumping forward to make a motion on on this recommended station at this moment if i see

[4:52:06] Voice 10: trustee patrick maybe i'm incorrect well

[4:52:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think it just needs to be rewarded i think

[4:52:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): it just needs to say uh because it hasn't been achieved so i i would just say let's see i move

[4:52:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the salt spring island local trust committee acknowledged that the work of the ganges village

[4:52:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): village task force has been incorporated or the or will be incorporated i don't know it's got to

[4:52:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): be how

[4:52:36] Voice 10: about just take out that um acknowledge the work of the ganges village planning task

[4:52:43] Voice 10: force oh

[4:52:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): there you go and that ongoing work has been incorporated into the

[4:52:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): apc request the chair to provide letters of acknowledgement to each commissioner

[4:53:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): and thank them for their service and invite them to apply to the apc i'm

[4:53:10] Voice 15: just going to

[4:53:11] Voice 15: wait a minute and see if that's been captured yes yes okay yes please uh

[4:53:24] Voice 19: the salt spring island

[4:53:25] Voice 19: local trust committee acknowledged the work of the ganges village planning task force

[4:53:29] Voice 19: and that ongoing work has been incorporated into the advisory planning commission request the chair

[4:53:38] Voice 19: to provide letters of acknowledgement to each commissioner and thank them for their service

[4:53:43] Voice 19: and invite them to apply to the aps

[4:53:45] Voice 11: okay so moved

[4:53:47] Voice 19: and

[4:53:50] Voice 10: uh have you got clarity on

[4:53:55] Voice 10: i've got clarity i've seen

[4:53:56] Voice 4: yeah i'm sorry thank you to the chair so acknowledgement is basically

[4:54:00] Voice 4: be the same as thanks um is what i'm picking up yeah

[4:54:04] Voice 10: i mean what i think that laura's intent here

[4:54:07] Voice 10: was to uh is is to remove the assertion that the work's been achieved um uh to add that that the

[4:54:16] Voice 10: work is going to be incorporated in the work of the apc and to invite the members yeah uh

[4:54:21] Voice 10: to join the apc okay all right thank you moved and seconded uh any further discussion on the motion

[4:54:28] Voice 10: motion I'll call the question all those in favor and that motion carries okay with that uh we're

[4:54:41] Voice 9: going to yes

[4:54:43] Voice 15: I

[4:54:45] Voice 9: was going to say we've got uh trustee Patrick uh our next direction late 9.3

[4:54:51] Voice 9: yes trustee Patrick I

[4:54:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): thought I would I don't want to belabor the meeting but I also don't want this

[4:55:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): to pass, and I don't want to make it overly complicated, so I'm going to look to staff

[4:55:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): for advice, but I think we need to take immediate action on developing some sort of interim

[4:55:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): protocol, their word, with at least the WSANICH Leadership Council and Cowichan Nation,

[4:55:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): which represents the majority of the Cowichan Nation, includes the nations we heard from today,

[4:55:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): day um because this has got to stop having letters lobbed into our lap on the day of and not you know

[4:55:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): and and we're not able to to do anything other than say we're frustrated um so i know we're not

[4:55:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to be able to come up with protocol agreements and final plans but we need to at

[4:55:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): least have some basic rules of engagement so that we're not tripping on each other

[4:55:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): um and that we can at least while we while we wait to get a permanent you know solution in place that

[4:56:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): we've got something uh to guide guide us um so i don't you know i can either wing a motion and ask

[4:56:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): that you know staff report back on how we could achieve or how we could create or you know work

[4:56:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): on some interim agreements to with at least those two groups yeah

[4:56:31] Voice 10: um uh i'm just gonna suggest uh

[4:56:34] Voice 10: trustee patrick that uh you know we are late

[4:56:38] Voice 10: in the day i'm perfectly happy to entertain a motion

[4:56:40] Voice 10: uh if you want to take a minute with a a pen or keyboard there that's perfectly fine and

[4:56:48] Voice 10: and while that's going on i'm gonna i'm gonna uh uh hear from my trustee patrick trustee

[4:56:55] Voice 10: harris here it is getting late in the day thank you

[4:56:58] Voice 4: mr chair i think that the landscape is changing

[4:57:03] Voice 4: um with regards to the first nations here in salt spring our local indigenous have been making some

[4:57:10] Voice 4: uh pretty big steps into being absorbed into the couch and tribes and there's i speak with

[4:57:18] Voice 4: them with many of them on the island personally um and maybe we can somehow facilitate a relationship

[4:57:25] Voice 4: with them as they again are being absorbed into the Cowichan tribes as we speak this is underway

[4:57:33] Voice 4: and hopefully what we're going to see is a representative from Salt Spring local indigenous

[4:57:41] Voice 4: a representative from the Cowichan tribes for them you know being one of the one of the local

[4:57:48] Voice 4: indigenous that live in these families have never families so you know there could be something that

[4:57:55] Voice 4: will come here probably within the next year we'll have uh so this isn't um something we're not

[4:58:01] Voice 4: looking at or i'm certainly involved and um and maybe we can incorporate that into

[4:58:09] Voice 10: into this yeah

[4:58:12] Voice 10: yeah good thought and uh uh i'll just acknowledge uh that uh yes it's it's it's territory uh uh

[4:58:22] Voice 10: in terms of our regulatory uh legislative authority and interfacing with um

[4:58:32] Voice 10: first nations and in light of uh the provincial legislation um there's been some there's been

[4:58:42] Voice 10: then there there is some debate about uh the role of the island's trust um vis-a-vis first nations

[4:58:55] Voice 10: and whether in fact the island's trust whether it's whether it is the role of the island's trust

[4:59:03] Voice 10: to do the work on behalf of the province and that's i don't feel like i've actually

[4:59:11] Voice 10: had a definitive answer to to that question so we're in a gray area and it makes it makes the

[4:59:20] Voice 10: work of of local trust committees um more challenging because uh absolutely uh reconciliation

[4:59:31] Voice 10: we can we can uh trust council has passed a resolution uh uh we could have i don't know

[4:59:38] Voice 10: if there's there's some standing resolutions uh of the local trust committee on this topic and yet

[4:59:47] Voice 10: we still don't have clear uh guidelines that that mesh with our sort of legislative formal processes

[5:00:00] Voice 10: It makes the process difficult and it has potential to harm the very relationships that we're trying to build in the meantime.

[5:00:09] Voice 10: So it puts us in a very difficult situation.

[5:00:12] Voice 10: And I am in favor of doing what we can to explore how we can address this situation in an interim way.

[5:00:22] Voice 10: if there's we clearly can't do anything uh more than an interim way at this point so i i see

[5:00:31] Voice 10: uh trustee patrick's hand raised and i'm hoping that she's hammered out some suggestions on how

[5:00:38] Voice 10: we might do just that please

[5:00:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): go ahead i have i'll read it out just don't second it so that we can

[5:00:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): consider words and get advice i move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[5:00:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): request staff to explore options to enter into interim protocols for meaningful and respectful

[5:01:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): engagement between the local trust committee and the wasanich leadership council and cowichan

[5:01:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): nation i

[5:01:18] Voice 15: just need the

[5:01:18] Voice 19: three groups uh what

[5:01:21] Voice 9: was that the could you just

[5:01:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's just two groups

[5:01:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): The Wasanich Leadership Council and Cowichan Nation.

[5:01:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I don't know, maybe we should say any other appropriate.

[5:01:36] Voice 10: Other First Nations with interest in the Salt Spring local trust area?

[5:01:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, I mean, we have 13 that we legally have to consult with, but it's generally been the Wasanich Leadership Council,

[5:01:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Council which represents all of the nations on the um Saanich Peninsula and the Cowichan Nation which

[5:01:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): is the five um First Nations like Lax and Penelope that contacted us today um if

[5:02:04] Voice 17: that was to be put

[5:02:05] Voice 17: ahead I would have an amendment possibly to that we could or we could okay

[5:02:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): well we haven't we haven't

[5:02:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): well I think

[5:02:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's no second yeah

[5:02:13] Voice 4: we haven't seconded so let's um work on it I think um if

[5:02:17] Voice 4: if we can somehow get in the wording there

[5:02:21] Voice 4: with the local Indigenous who currently

[5:02:28] Voice 4: and have never left, whose families have never left

[5:02:32] Voice 4: Salt Spring Island, you know, that's very important.

[5:02:37] Voice 4: They need to be, I think, kind of first and foremost

[5:02:40] Voice 4: in there, especially now being the couching tribe,

[5:02:43] Voice 4: but we can make a mention of them in some way.

[5:02:47] Voice 4: do

[5:02:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): they have an organization um

[5:02:54] Voice 4: they they do and i don't know the name of that off the top

[5:02:58] Voice 4: of my head um maybe we could defer this until such that we get that and um but also um well

[5:03:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): can we capture i have a suggestion

[5:03:09] Voice 10: here uh which uh moves the motion along but uh um and and also

[5:03:17] Voice 10: So like what I'm going to suggest is that

[5:03:20] Voice 10: we get that information and we can amend that resolution

[5:03:26] Voice 10: so that work starts, right?

[5:03:29] Voice 10: The resolution is how we get things moving.

[5:03:33] Voice 10: And then we can add when we have a name to add

[5:03:38] Voice 10: that we could add that on at that time.

[5:03:40] Voice 10: Mr. Chair.

[5:03:41] Voice 10: Yes,

[5:03:42] Voice 4: that seems quite, that seems fair.

[5:03:44] Voice 4: We could at least then add to this,

[5:03:48] Voice 4: local indigenous salt spring island local indigenous to the that group of two okay

[5:03:58] Voice 4: and then we

[5:04:00] Voice 4: can amend that later sorry yeah

[5:04:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): just say local indigenous organization because i i

[5:04:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): want to we're not i'm not talking individuals that's what i'm

[5:04:07] Voice 9: trying to say yeah

[5:04:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[5:04:09] Voice 10: does

[5:04:10] Voice 10: that does that seem to like we've got something going on there so we'll add local indigenous

[5:04:15] Voice 10: and indigenous organizations.

[5:04:20] Voice 10: Okay.

[5:04:21] Voice 19: Please go ahead.

[5:04:23] Voice 19: Okay, the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[5:04:26] Voice 19: request staff to explore options

[5:04:28] Voice 19: to enter into interim protocols

[5:04:30] Voice 19: for meaningful and respectful engagement

[5:04:32] Voice 19: between the WSANIC Leadership Council,

[5:04:34] Voice 19: the Cowichan Nation Alliance

[5:04:37] Voice 19: and local indigenous organization.

[5:04:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): Between the local trust committee and,

[5:04:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's between the local trust committee and.

[5:04:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[5:04:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[5:04:48] Voice 4: then

[5:04:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's the wasanich and cowichan and local yeah

[5:04:53] Voice 4: i i wonder if if um the salt spring

[5:04:56] Voice 4: island

[5:04:57] Voice 5: local indigenous organization would be more precise oh that

[5:05:01] Voice 5: that is i think that is a

[5:05:03] Voice 5: bit more precise sure does

[5:05:05] Voice 5: that sound good i

[5:05:06] Voice 19: could read back all

[5:05:07] Voice 5: right please do yeah

[5:05:07] Voice 5: that

[5:05:08] Voice 19: the salt spring island local trust committee request staff to explore options to enter into

[5:05:12] Voice 19: to interim protocols for meaningful

[5:05:15] Voice 19: and respectful engagement

[5:05:16] Voice 19: between the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[5:05:18] Voice 19: and the WSANIC Leadership Council,

[5:05:20] Voice 19: the Cowichan Nation Alliance

[5:05:23] Voice 19: and the Salt Spring Island Local Indigenous Organization.

[5:05:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think it's just called the Cowichan,

[5:05:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): my dad should have it correct, sorry.

[5:05:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think it's called just Cowichan Nation Alliance.

[5:05:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, it is, okay, thank you.

[5:05:41] Voice 8: She's good like that.

[5:05:42] Voice 8: i

[5:05:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): know she's darn good we're never letting her go okay so

[5:05:48] Voice 10: trustees are we happy with where we're at

[5:05:49] Voice 10: here yeah so i'm going to take it that uh laura the trustee patrick that you've moved that and

[5:05:58] Voice 10: are you and trustee harris you're going to second that and i'll look for any further discussion on

[5:06:04] Voice 10: this i'm not seeing any so i'll go ahead and call the question all those in favor and that carries

[5:06:12] Voice 10: thank you very much trustees and uh this brings us uh to the end of our day we have no closed

[5:06:25] Voice 10: meetings the next regular meeting of the salt spring local trust committee is for 9 a.m march

[5:06:31] Voice 10: 16 2023 right here at 122 rainbow road um and i think with that i will uh uh sorry sorry just

[5:06:43] done i'm sure it was just explaining that um the letter

[5:06:48] Voice 6: received from my accent doesn't

[5:06:50] Voice 6: be added at the late item um so i think it's just just to receive it and oh i see

[5:06:55] Voice 6: uh just that it forms part of the agenda okay apologies

[5:07:00] Voice 6: so um you need a motion you

[5:07:04] Voice 19: don't need a question i just need it to be mentioned

[5:07:06] Voice 19: is that um it can be added as part of it yeah it's fine just mention it

[5:07:14] Voice 7: so the chair recommends

[5:07:15] Voice 7: so we don't need

[5:07:20] Voice 10: a motion for that wonderful in that case i'm going to call for adjournment

[5:07:24] Voice 10: and uh thank you trustees for today and

[5:07:31] Voice 5: staff and all thanks for speaking editor