Islands Trust Council special meeting, February 23, 2023

[0:00:28] Voice 10: So, good morning,

[0:00:29] Voice 9: everyone. Sorry for the delays. The technology seems to be in struggle, but it does get better every time.

[0:00:39] Voice 9: So, welcome to the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee meeting.

[0:00:43] Voice 9: This is a special meeting where we're here today to talk about a project, so the format and everything is a

[0:00:49] Voice 13: little different than what's usual.

[0:00:50] Voice 13: Well, to get started, I want to acknowledge, absolutely, that for me personally, it's a

[0:00:56] Voice 13: honor and pleasure and privilege to be able to be here and work and

[0:01:02] Voice 3: pray in a beautiful

[0:01:05] Voice 13: part of the

[0:01:06] Voice 9: world, even with the fresh February snow, beautiful morning out there, but this

[0:01:12] Voice 9: is a rich cultural or historical place of which there's lots of opportunity to learn

[0:01:17] Voice 9: about the people who have lived here

[0:01:19] Voice 9: since the time of Memorial

[0:01:21] Voice 9: and would advise everybody to take advantage

[0:01:24] Voice 9: of the opportunity to learn

[0:01:25] Voice 3: about this place

[0:01:27] Voice 3: since before colonialism arrived.

[0:01:32] Voice 3: Anyway, it's an honor and pleasure to be here.

[0:01:34] Voice 3: And just do some brief introductions.

[0:01:37] Voice 3: We've got Toby Elliott, who do you wanna say good morning?

[0:01:40] Voice 3: Good morning, everyone.

[0:01:41] Voice 3: Thank you for being so grateful.

[0:01:43] Voice 3: Great to be here.

[0:01:46] Voice 3: Susan Yates.

[0:01:47] Voice 3: good morning everyone thank you for coming okay

[0:01:50] Voice 9: and nadine is our minute taker and uh renee is

[0:01:54] Voice 9: our regional planning manager we have riddle office tonight i think you

[0:01:58] Voice 9: see the audience

[0:02:00] Voice 9: here somewhere and uh online here today we have uh nadine chadwick she's uh um working with us

[0:02:08] Voice 9: on the um this project and

[0:02:11] Voice 13: it's going to be the

[0:02:12] Voice 3: final it's an arisa checklist

[0:02:16] Voice 3: my eyesight is terrible i saw you

[0:02:20] Voice 9: blinked about that and said who's that new challenge

[0:02:24] Voice 9: i'm so sorry about that my apologies is our planet and um we have an agenda before us

[0:02:35] Voice 9: which as i mentioned earlier is a bit of an abbreviated agenda to what you're normally

[0:02:40] Voice 9: anticipating um the only items we

[0:02:42] Voice 3: have is the minutes and the business of what i think for

[0:02:45] Voice 3: the managers is follow-up backing most of the support but we're not actually conducting any

[0:02:51] Voice 3: other business we'll be going into um our project uh session yeah i'm sorry about that um

[0:02:59] Voice 3: I'm going to plan to make sure I'm happy with the votes.

[0:03:06] Voice 3: I'll have to wait.

[0:03:08] Voice 3: So without further ado, I'll ask, is there anything further to

[0:03:12] Voice 9: add or move to the agenda?

[0:03:14] Voice 9: No? Okay.

[0:03:15] Voice 9: So then I'm going to adopt the agenda by general consent as presented.

[0:03:19] Voice 9: And the first item of business would be

[0:03:21] Voice 3: the January 26th minutes.

[0:03:23] Voice 3: Are there any changes to those minutes?

[0:03:26] Voice 3: None? Okay.

[0:03:27] Voice 3: Okay, so then let's adopt the

[0:03:29] Voice 9: meeting manager

[0:03:31] Voice 9: of February 16th by general,

[0:03:35] Voice 9: January 26th, sorry, by general consent.

[0:03:38] Voice 9: And let's move on to business arising

[0:03:40] Voice 9: from minutes the follow-up action was

[0:03:42] Voice 9: which is on pages 10 to 14.

[0:03:44] Voice 9: I'll just glance over to Renee and assume

[0:03:47] Voice 9: that that list is up to date and there's nothing new.

[0:03:49] Voice 9: If you need to know,

[0:03:50] Voice 3: and so I'll just ask

[0:03:51] Voice 3: Trustee to present any questions

[0:03:53] Voice 3: with respect to any of the items on the follow-up.

[0:03:58] Voice 3: I don't have questions, I do have comments,

[0:04:00] Voice 3: but really it relates to active projects, future projects,

[0:04:07] Voice 3: and follow-up actions that we will be doing

[0:04:09] Voice 3: at future meetings.

[0:04:11] Voice 3: So I'll just leave those for the next business meeting.

[0:04:14] Voice 3: Yes, thank you.

[0:04:17] Voice 3: And Jody Ellis.

[0:04:18] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:04:19] Voice 3: I was just wondering if the under project three,

[0:04:24] Voice 3: active project support, the comprehensive list

[0:04:26] Voice 3: to be reviewed. I didn't see out of the item that Sybil Frey had asked for, which is whether

[0:04:36] Voice 3: there'd be a multi-use zoning designation conversation would be added in the OTP. She

[0:04:46] Voice 3: came to the last meeting, and I just wanted to make sure that that was added.

[0:04:51] Voice 3: So this is the call of action, as though, as we're talking to the project list, presuming

[0:04:57] Voice 3: that would be added to the project it's within the otp review it just wasn't captured as a

[0:05:06] Voice 3: problem is it well thank you you're not great okay we're good all right then

[0:05:19] Voice 13: so that concludes

[0:05:20] Voice 13: so

[0:05:20] Voice 3: this

[0:05:23] Voice 13: brings us uh no correspondence in

[0:05:28] Voice 3: this agenda there is correspondence associated with

[0:05:30] Voice 3: projects work and stuff it's on the website and that's there for reference and we'll be looking

[0:05:36] Voice 3: at that at our next meeting um so today the the main item of today's business is the

[0:05:42] Voice 3: projects

[0:05:44] Voice 9: and actually i've been i've been remiss um and then um i wanted to acknowledge our apc members

[0:05:49] Voice 9: when i follow them maybe i'll just go left to right in the room and you can just introduce

[0:05:55] Voice 9: treat yourself for the benefit of the audience at home and then also regrets from some of the

[0:06:00] Voice 9: apc members that couldn't be here physically today um some of them will be watching the live streaming

[0:06:06] Voice 9: and um might be able to participate by sending some messages um email or something like that

[0:06:12] Voice 9: um if that seems necessary but uh let me just begin by acknowledging the agency members here

[0:06:18] Voice 9: today and i'll start

[0:06:20] Voice 13: with you thank you for introducing yourself my

[0:06:22] Voice 3: name is emily carson

[0:06:23] Voice 3: upstand uh thank you for meeting with me uh first meeting please okay great thank you and then smart

[0:06:33] Voice 3: party housing effects along time housing okay same housing advisory commission so just to be clear

[0:06:46] Voice 3: and we have several members in the back row as well peter

[0:06:55] Voice 3: On our ABCs. Oh,

[0:06:57] Voice 9: so they might like to join us. We're going to kind of gather in a bit of a circle here and join us in the front row, but if you choose to sit in the back, that's fine.

[0:07:05] Voice 3: I wasn't sure.

[0:07:09] Voice 3: We weren't clear about that.

[0:07:11] Voice 3: Okay, I'm going to pay the time to.

[0:07:13] Voice 3: And I think I'm on the ABC.

[0:07:19] Voice 13: I think it's important for us to be with the community than outside the community.

[0:07:27] Voice 13: And with that said, I'm going to turn to, I think Nerissa is going to take the lead on this.

[0:07:31] Voice 3: There's more, I still have more. Alex, you're on the house.

[0:07:36] Voice 3: Okay. Oh, we want to do introductions.

[0:07:44] Voice 3: I'm a newbie on the housing committee.

[0:07:46] Voice 3: Okay, great.

[0:07:47] Voice 3: And please feel free to join us up front if you would.

[0:07:53] Voice 3: Arden Cooper, HAPC.

[0:07:56] Voice 3: Okay, great.

[0:07:56] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:07:57] Voice 13: Great, good, strong housing.

[0:08:01] Voice 3: Next to Arden is David Reed.

[0:08:03] Voice 3: David Reed, ABC.

[0:08:07] Voice 3: Okay, great.

[0:08:12] Voice 3: Oh, and we've missed Debra.

[0:08:28] Voice 3: I'm

[0:08:29] Voice 13: going to turn this over to you to introduce this project within anything that you'd like to

[0:08:36] Voice 13: share with us. The idea here today is

[0:08:39] Voice 9: to share our thoughts

[0:08:40] Voice 13: about what we are anticipating

[0:08:43] Voice 13: participating

[0:08:44] Voice 3: in the project. So, Nerissa, over to you.

[0:08:47] Voice 2: Thanks, Chair Luckom. I think first I'll just introduce myself because you're probably wondering

[0:08:52] Voice 2: who is this person coming from Victoria up to our island to work on our OCP. So, my name

[0:08:59] Voice 2: is Nerissa Chadwick and I would have very much liked to have been up there today. I

[0:09:04] Voice 2: was really planning on it, but with the weather conditions being uncertain and me never ever

[0:09:11] Voice 2: However, driving in snow, I took the cautious decision to stay in Victoria.

[0:09:19] Voice 2: So I apologize for not being there in person.

[0:09:21] Voice 2: I do plan to be up and meet all of you definitely during this process.

[0:09:28] Voice 2: And hopefully, you know, in the near, you know, within the next month or so, I'll plan the trip and we can hopefully meet everybody.

[0:09:36] Voice 2: everybody. So I've been with the Islands Trust for about three

[0:09:41] Voice 2: years now, I start I am, I am the planner for main island. But

[0:09:47] Voice 2: I'm also part of the regional planning team. So the Islands

[0:09:49] Voice 2: Trust has been going through a bit of evolution in how we do

[0:09:56] Voice 2: things with the planning services. And so the idea being

[0:10:02] Voice 2: being that we want to do major projects more efficiently.

[0:10:08] Voice 2: So as part of, so we developed the regional planning team,

[0:10:11] Voice 2: regional planning team members will take on

[0:10:14] Voice 2: what's being identified as major projects.

[0:10:16] Voice 2: And these are projects with larger budgets

[0:10:18] Voice 2: that sort of go over a longer period of time.

[0:10:22] Voice 2: So in my capacity so far, I've been working on,

[0:10:27] Voice 2: as a regional planning member,

[0:10:28] Voice 2: I've been working on freshwater projects on Galliano Island and North Pender, so I've been working very intimately with our freshwater specialist, William Shoba, which means that I actually understand all the science stuff.

[0:10:44] Voice 2: I mean, to the extent that a planner can.

[0:10:48] Voice 2: And so that'll be useful I think to this project.

[0:10:51] Voice 2: project. I'm also quite intimately involved with the housing at the moment. So we've been

[0:10:59] Voice 2: doing quite a bit of research and developing some focused process around engaging in housing

[0:11:08] Voice 2: projects. And I will be doing a housing project specifically. I've done some work already

[0:11:14] Voice 2: on Maine. We moved through a housing project in the last term and we'll be building on

[0:11:19] Voice 2: that work in this in this term um and i'll also be doing um working on um denman island's housing

[0:11:26] Voice 2: project so i i noticed that there's a lot of um people from the housing advisory planning

[0:11:31] Voice 2: commission i think that's what you called it um in the room so that's exciting um and i can

[0:11:38] Voice 2: definitely see that housing will be a a big component of this project so that's a little bit

[0:11:43] Voice 2: about me and and where i'm coming from um and now i'll i'll sort of start on to the a bit of the

[0:11:50] Voice 2: project here so um next slide please renee this is just our land acknowledgement so i have um

[0:11:58] Voice 2: i have never actually worked um in the territories of the the nations that are um are associated with

[0:12:05] Voice 2: gabrielle island so i'm really excited to um you know explore the island um and get to know it um

[0:12:12] Voice 2: And I'm coming here from Lekwungen territory myself in Victoria, and I'm very, very grateful

[0:12:20] Voice 2: to be living and working here.

[0:12:23] Voice 2: Next slide, please, Renee.

[0:12:28] Voice 1: So we thought basically what this

[0:12:31] Voice 2: presentation, the purpose of this presentation is to just

[0:12:34] Voice 2: kind of lay out a little bit of what is an OCCP, how does it sort of fit in with the

[0:12:44] Voice 2: the different kind of directional policies, I guess, that the Islands Trust sort of works

[0:12:54] Voice 2: with, as well as just identify sort of what the project process looks like, the LCP process

[0:13:04] Voice 2: in general, and sort of where we are, and to focus on getting everybody sort of on the

[0:13:14] Voice 2: the same page in terms of process, where we are, and where we need input, and that's where

[0:13:23] Voice 2: we'll then engage in further discussion.

[0:13:25] Voice 2: So this slide here, this is sort of sets out, as the previous slide identified, the Islands

[0:13:35] Voice 2: Trust was essentially created to preserve and protect the, and to manage growth for

[0:13:45] Voice 2: uh for the islands so back in the 70s when it was set up uh by the province and this i like

[0:13:51] Voice 2: this little diagram here this was done by one

[0:13:53] Voice 3: of our so

[0:13:56] Voice 1: i'm not

[0:14:00] Voice 1: able to hear any comments uh

[0:14:03] Voice 13: yeah no we just got somebody that's making some comments not well yourself okay yeah just so just

[0:14:11] Voice 13: so you know

[0:14:12] Voice 13: just so you know i've turned my

[0:14:14] Voice 13: uh computer around so people can actually see you

[0:14:17] Voice 13: oh

[0:14:17] Voice 2: they can see me okay so you can see that i'm just kind of looking off to the side because i've

[0:14:21] Voice 2: got two computers i've got everybody on my one screen and then i'm looking directly at the

[0:14:24] Voice 2: presentation so that's why i look a bit

[0:14:26] Voice 2: a bit off hi looks like a

[0:14:29] Voice 8: real person so that's good okay

[0:14:30] Voice 8: good that's good

[0:14:30] Voice 8: excellent piece of paper now so i can look at that

[0:14:33] Voice 2: okay okay great um yeah so and

[0:14:38] Voice 2: and peter so i just want to mention i can't i can't i won't won't be able to hear anybody so

[0:14:42] Voice 2: if anybody has a question they'll have to relay it through peter because you're you're sitting

[0:14:46] Voice 2: next to the mic i can hear you fine but i can't hear anybody else very well um yeah so this is

[0:14:54] Voice 2: our little uh this little diagram is it you know just sort of um identifies the the the layers of

[0:15:00] Voice 2: of policy that we have.

[0:15:02] Voice 2: So the policy statement,

[0:15:05] Voice 2: which is a trust-wide policy, essentially,

[0:15:10] Voice 2: it contains the principles that guide the decisions

[0:15:14] Voice 2: of the local trust committee.

[0:15:16] Voice 2: And the OCPs then provide a roadmap

[0:15:20] Voice 2: for the future direction in the form of policies,

[0:15:25] Voice 2: in the form of policies, guidelines and land designations.

[0:15:30] Voice 2: and i'll go into a little bit more detail in the next slide and then essentially the the land use

[0:15:34] Voice 2: bylaw um implements the policies of the ocp so next slide please uh renee so um just like you

[0:15:45] Voice 2: know focusing on the ocp so the ocp is a is a legal document that's always an important thing

[0:15:50] Voice 2: to keep in mind um when we're moving through and developing the policies um because anything that

[0:15:58] Voice 2: that any changes that need to be made to the land use bylaw

[0:16:01] Voice 2: that are gonna impact things on the ground,

[0:16:05] Voice 2: basically get their direction from the OCP.

[0:16:08] Voice 2: So the OCP needs to be clear,

[0:16:11] Voice 2: the direction needs to be clear in the OCP.

[0:16:13] Voice 2: And sometimes things can be a little bit

[0:16:17] Voice 2: too prescriptive and that can be prohibitive to things.

[0:16:23] Voice 2: So as we move through the design of the policies,

[0:16:25] Voice 2: we'll sort of get into that that discussion um the policies um as i mentioned they're they're

[0:16:33] Voice 2: they're um uh they're implemented through the land use bylaw um and the lcdp can also include

[0:16:40] Voice 2: advocacy policies that may encourage conversations with other local governments um that are related

[0:16:45] Voice 2: to issues that are are beyond the control of the islands trust so as you know the islands trust is

[0:16:50] Voice 2: is our role is very specific, specifically land use.

[0:16:56] Voice 2: And I understand the last update of Gabriel

[0:17:01] Voice 2: is OCP was in 2010.

[0:17:05] Voice 2: The OCP would be, is organized in categories.

[0:17:09] Voice 2: So there are some legislative requirements for the OCP,

[0:17:12] Voice 2: things like having a greenhouse gas targets policies

[0:17:15] Voice 2: and actions and housing policies.

[0:17:17] Voice 2: There's other requirements to have land designations and other things like that.

[0:17:24] Voice 2: The OCP will include categories and how you categorize those are a community discussion,

[0:17:34] Voice 2: but generally focusing on things like ecosystem preservation and community health and well-being.

[0:17:40] Voice 2: And the OCP also contains development permit areas and guidelines, so development permit areas can be designed to protect specific things, riparian areas, they can be used to protect ecological interests, and that sort of thing.

[0:18:02] Voice 2: So if we go to the next slide, this is our land use bylaw slide so I've mentioned it now a number of times that the land use bylaw implements the policies of the OCP so it's a finer grain of detail, basically, and those kinds of regulations

[0:18:23] Voice 2: regulations include things like zoning, parking signs, screening, landscaping, you know, to mask different uses, for example, that this is where you find your subdivision servicing requirements so things such as the needs to prove water regulations related to

[0:18:45] Voice 2: to sewage and that sort of thing.

[0:18:50] Voice 2: And this is where you find, you know,

[0:18:53] Voice 2: things that we get down to the fine grains of size

[0:18:56] Voice 2: and siting of buildings and structures.

[0:18:58] Voice 2: So we will be, I mean, this is,

[0:19:02] Voice 2: this project is an OCP and an LUB review.

[0:19:05] Voice 2: So we will be focusing primarily at the beginning,

[0:19:09] Voice 2: obviously on the OCP.

[0:19:13] Voice 2: And there will be, I think, opportunity just to kind of muddle a bit on the LUB as we work through the OCP, identify things we need to change, and then make those changes will be the real implementation of the OCP piece.

[0:19:29] Voice 2: So that'll be the next big phase.

[0:19:33] Voice 2: So moving on to the next slide, Renee.

[0:19:35] Voice 2: so this this identifies um the project process so this project so as we're um as we sort of

[0:19:45] Voice 2: um evolves to this new model of uh having a regional planning team um we've we've we've

[0:19:54] Voice 2: done some real thinking and um and identifying and really writing down the clear steps and projects

[0:20:01] Voice 2: And they're really the same for any major project.

[0:20:04] Voice 2: And the OCP is the biggest project you can get, pretty much.

[0:20:09] Voice 2: And they include a pre-project phase, which is where we are.

[0:20:13] Voice 2: And I'm going to go into detail in the next slide about what that means.

[0:20:17] Voice 2: And then the project initiation.

[0:20:20] Voice 2: And so that's when we start to have more of the focused discussions around the priorities, etc.

[0:20:30] Voice 2: And then there's the, you know, consultation analysis, the drafting of the regulations and the legislative process.

[0:20:40] Voice 2: And then, as I mentioned before, the LUB review is part of this project.

[0:20:45] Voice 2: So we can muddle through it a little bit as we move through the OCP,

[0:20:50] Voice 2: but the big part of that will come after we've um we've we've done gone through the the ocp

[0:20:59] Voice 2: uh project so the next slide please renee

[0:21:04] Voice 2: not sure how

[0:21:07] Voice 13: much further in depth you're going to go here but you anticipate answering questions

[0:21:13] Voice 13: questions after you've completed this overview.

[0:21:19] Voice 2: Yeah, I think maybe we'll wait till the end just because of the nature of how we are here

[0:21:25] Voice 2: because I think they'll all have to be relayed through you, Peter.

[0:21:28] Voice 2: I mean, I'm happy to take questions if anybody has questions.

[0:21:32] Voice 2: Yeah, actually, let's just wait, Peter.

[0:21:34] Voice 13: I

[0:21:34] Voice 2: think it would be

[0:21:35] Voice 13: good for you to complete the background

[0:21:36] Voice 2: and it may answer some of the

[0:21:38] Voice 13: questions you might be thinking.

[0:21:39] Voice 2: Yeah, let's just wait till the end.

[0:21:40] Voice 2: I think that's a good idea.

[0:21:41] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:21:42] Voice 2: And

[0:21:42] Voice 3: Peter, we do have Stephen here just kind of capturing some questions, so if you lose track of them we can switch.

[0:21:49] Voice 10: Go ahead.

[0:21:51] Voice 3: Okay,

[0:21:51] Voice 1: next slide please, Renee.

[0:21:55] Voice 2: So this is, this is just like this is an extremely ambitious timeline.

[0:22:03] Voice 2: This would be like the, this is like if everything goes according to plan.

[0:22:09] Voice 2: And there's no other, no other, you know, everybody's on board with everything and everything's super smooth.

[0:22:17] Voice 2: Yeah, maybe two years but realistically it's probably going to be more like three or, you know, even four years but.

[0:22:24] Voice 2: But this gives you sort of order of magnitude snapshot of the different phases of the work.

[0:22:32] Voice 2: So let's move on to, and you can see like where we are as pre-planning.

[0:22:36] Voice 2: so the next slide is going to give you the details on what um what the pre-planning is and i see

[0:22:41] Voice 2: renee has already flipped over there so um so this is where we are um

[0:22:49] Voice 2: and there are a number of things that we um we want to focus on um

[0:22:56] Voice 2: uh budget approval is obviously the very primary thing hopefully we'll that'll move

[0:23:02] Voice 2: move smoothly. There's a business case in for Trust Council to approve. Once that's approved,

[0:23:11] Voice 2: you know, we can move forward and start to develop a business case.

[0:23:18] Voice 2: If that doesn't get approved, I mean, hopefully it will get approved. There's still things we can

[0:23:24] Voice 2: be working on. And what we need to be doing is really understanding what information. So this

[0:23:30] Voice 2: is all about this phase is really all about information gathering so identifying the the

[0:23:37] Voice 2: kind of the work that has already been done in the community i i have looked through that the housing

[0:23:43] Voice 2: work a little bit so i know that there's substantial um you know a lot of thinking

[0:23:47] Voice 2: in time that has gone into that work so that's something that we definitely want to have a look

[0:23:51] Voice 2: at um we want to have a look at uh other things um other things that that that that may may exist in

[0:23:59] Voice 2: the community all of the all of those um all of those uh programs processes that community members

[0:24:06] Voice 2: have been engaged in that have somehow gathered information that are going to inform um you know

[0:24:11] Voice 2: where the community wants to be moving so that's what we really need to to figure out what is that

[0:24:16] Voice 2: information and that's that and where can we find it and that's going to be actually the basis of

[0:24:20] Voice 2: our conversation today this is the time when we want to start to have our conversations with first

[0:24:24] Voice 2: nations and see how they'd like to be engaged in the process um uh and uh we'll we'll need to move

[0:24:34] Voice 2: on to um developing an engagement plan for um the next phase which will be the very focused

[0:24:42] Voice 2: uh focused engagement once we have moved through an analysis of existing information and um know

[0:24:50] Voice 2: what basically what the baseline of the community is uh and and you know we'll we'll be working on

[0:24:56] Voice 2: developing some discussion papers so that uh that all of that background can be shared um with the

[0:25:02] Voice 2: community and you can see where the the arrows are on this um on this chart here so these are

[0:25:08] Voice 2: the places where we see community involvement is critical so identifying the sources of of

[0:25:14] Voice 2: of information, helping us develop an engagement plan,

[0:25:19] Voice 2: like who do we engage?

[0:25:20] Voice 2: How do we engage them?

[0:25:23] Voice 2: There may be opportunity,

[0:25:25] Voice 2: there may be some experts in the community

[0:25:27] Voice 2: that can help us with even assessing

[0:25:31] Voice 2: some of the existing information

[0:25:33] Voice 2: and identifying other resources that exist.

[0:25:37] Voice 2: And there may be some that want to be involved

[0:25:42] Voice 2: involved in the more detailed sort of discussion paperwork and we can discuss that if anybody's

[0:25:46] Voice 2: interested so next

[0:25:47] Voice 1: um slide please um Renee so that's all the pre-work so um

[0:25:56] Voice 2: you know we won't

[0:25:56] Voice 2: have the budget the budget um ask is going in this year for next year uh or no for this year for for

[0:26:04] Voice 2: 2023-24 and so that's going to be the pre-phase that's going to be some of the initial engagement

[0:26:10] Voice 2: engagement stuff then we can move on to and through that through that process that pre-phase

[0:26:14] Voice 2: I think we'll start to understand priority areas and the next phase is really zoning in on those

[0:26:20] Voice 2: priority areas as you can see like this little illustration here this is Chilliwack they've

[0:26:27] Voice 2: got this nice you know we can we could there's lots of ways that we can communicate those

[0:26:34] Voice 2: those priority areas this is kind of a nice way that some communities have done it

[0:26:39] Voice 2: And when those priority areas are defined, then we can have much more detailed discussion papers if required.

[0:26:47] Voice 2: So if there are questions that exist about certain things, we can get the information together.

[0:26:53] Voice 2: Again, it's all about providing information to keep the community informed about where you're at and then identifying where you want to go from there.

[0:27:05] Voice 2: I've got targeted engagement and then the bylaw drafting and there may be other things

[0:27:13] Voice 2: that come up so there may be other project areas for example the water balance or the

[0:27:24] Voice 2: groundwater availability assessments may be very critical for you and in terms of if you're

[0:27:31] Voice 2: if you're looking at adding additional density to your community to address housing that's going to

[0:27:37] Voice 2: be a critical factor will be understanding the water availability and um that's where um

[0:27:45] Voice 2: some additional funding would be required so part of i also part of the way that our budget phase

[0:27:52] Voice 2: The budget decision-making at the Trust Council level works with respect to LTC programs now is that there is actually going to be an evaluation process of some of these larger projects.

[0:28:10] Voice 2: For example, by June, we'll have to have a sense of the money that might be needed for the next year.

[0:28:21] Voice 2: And so one of the things we might want to think about is the groundwater availability assessment, and I'm happy to have more conversation about that later on.

[0:28:33] Voice 2: Next slide please, Renee.

[0:28:41] Voice 1: Yeah, so one of the key things is we really don't need

[0:28:43] Voice 2: to be reinventing the wheel. So, we do have some things we can begin with, just as frameworks.

[0:28:50] Voice 2: works. One of which is the regional planning team. A

[0:28:56] Voice 2: couple, you know, we started off a couple of years ago, looking

[0:28:59] Voice 2: at what categories of an OCP could be as they relate to the

[0:29:06] Voice 2: trust policy statement. And I, and and we also looked at a

[0:29:11] Voice 2: number of other OCPs, OCPs that were sort of best practice, I

[0:29:15] Voice 2: guess OCPs. And we did come up with a little bit of a template.

[0:29:19] Voice 2: plate. So this is, again, something that we can kind of look, look at for reference. These sorts

[0:29:24] Voice 2: of categories don't, these aren't necessarily categories for Gabriela, but it gives us a

[0:29:28] Voice 2: starting point.

[0:29:29] Voice 1: Next slide, please, Renee. And then, like I've

[0:29:36] Voice 2: mentioned, I know, you know,

[0:29:38] Voice 2: we know that there's other work that's been done in the community. So we need to, we need to find,

[0:29:43] Voice 2: find out what and, and understand, and understand that work. And, and, you know,

[0:29:50] Voice 2: that's going to be a significant um part of this phase next uh slide please renee um again i know

[0:30:00] Voice 2: you know looking through some of the housing stuff um you know i've been talking about the

[0:30:03] Voice 2: development of an engagement plan well it seems like there's been a whole lot of thinking done

[0:30:07] Voice 2: on engagement so let's let's use that work you know this is the time to use a lot of that work

[0:30:13] Voice 2: that's been already done next uh slide please renee so here we go

[0:30:19] Voice 2: we're

[0:30:20] Voice 11: like um question for

[0:30:23] Voice 11: narissa if you if the slide is blurry so if you

[0:30:25] Voice 12: can maybe mention some of the examples in the

[0:30:28] Voice 12: green circle just for the benefit of us looking at it on the screen oh

[0:30:32] Voice 2: okay yeah sure oh yeah so

[0:30:37] Voice 2: oh gosh now i've got it wonky on mine now hang on a second to do i

[0:30:43] Voice 11: i remember them so i can call

[0:30:45] Voice 11: some of them out yeah

[0:30:46] Voice 2: yeah yeah so so some of the things that are mentioned on here um in terms of

[0:30:50] Voice 2: process uh or techniques i guess for engaging include there's a project website uh social media

[0:30:57] Voice 2: media, newspaper articles, open houses, small group circle dialogue, kitchen table talks,

[0:31:04] Voice 2: online polling, surveys, focus groups.

[0:31:07] Voice 2: And what I love about this is that, I mean, it's really clear that there's been a whole

[0:31:12] Voice 2: lot of work done here, a lot of thinking, and there's even the budget estimates there.

[0:31:20] Voice 2: So we have a lot to work with in terms of the development of the engagement plan for

[0:31:25] Voice 2: the OCP.

[0:31:29] Voice 2: um okay so now we're sort of moving on into the question phase so i i'll i'll stop here

[0:31:36] Voice 2: um chair luckham for questions about the content and then and then we can move into the next phase

[0:31:43] Voice 8: to reduce greenhouse gas emissions what specifically are you supporting here

[0:31:52] Voice 1: So that's

[0:31:54] Voice 2: a good question. So climate mitigation and climate adaptation is essentially like it's,

[0:32:01] Voice 2: it's a lens that needs to be applied to all of the work. I actually I used to work for the province

[0:32:08] Voice 2: and I was actually at one point, one of the projects that I led was providing guidance to

[0:32:15] Voice 2: the local governments on climate mitigation.

[0:32:18] Voice 2: And so that is a key, like everything that,

[0:32:21] Voice 2: like really everything that we all do

[0:32:23] Voice 2: needs to have a climate lens.

[0:32:25] Voice 2: So that will be, that's something to sort of think about

[0:32:28] Voice 2: as we move through the process.

[0:32:30] Voice 8: Would planting trees help?

[0:32:32] Voice 8: Can we just take-

[0:32:33] Voice 9: Would planting trees help?

[0:32:35] Voice 9: The speaker's left.

[0:32:36] Voice 9: Yeah, we need to manage the speaker

[0:32:38] Voice 9: because if everybody wants to talk at once,

[0:32:40] Voice 9: okay, it'll be a problem, right?

[0:32:42] Voice 9: So I'm gonna recognize you

[0:32:43] Voice 9: gentlemen on my right hand side

[0:32:44] Voice 9: and

[0:32:45] Voice 13: then I'm going to

[0:32:45] Voice 9: go around the back of the room starting with you and then the next

[0:32:48] Voice 9: lady over here so sir do you have a question oh

[0:32:51] Voice 4: I just that he didn't uh I didn't hear any

[0:32:55] Voice 4: specifics of just reading off of that table the previous slide of the previous work uh it was a

[0:33:02] Voice 4: general uh thing about what it was and how great it was but uh the idea was to just read the things

[0:33:10] Voice 4: that have been circled.

[0:33:12] Voice 4: Read out the specific points that have been circled.

[0:33:15] Voice 9: Well, Narissa did actually speak to each of those,

[0:33:19] Voice 9: the different formats of-

[0:33:21] Voice 9: Sorry if I missed it, go ahead.

[0:33:23] Voice 4: Pardon me?

[0:33:24] Voice 4: Sorry if I missed it, I'll follow up.

[0:33:27] Voice 4: Okay, thank you.

[0:33:28] Voice 4: So

[0:33:28] Voice 3: going around the room, there's a question.

[0:33:30] Voice 3: To recap, we can go over,

[0:33:34] Voice 3: maybe there's a question about

[0:33:36] Voice 3: what types of public engagement that is possible.

[0:33:41] Voice 3: um Nerissa so right now it's early days we're just highlighting on the slide that there's been

[0:33:47] Voice 3: some really good previous work done but we're here today to hear from everybody here what other

[0:33:53] Voice 3: activities could be helpful as we move through this project thank you so I'm hoping to find more

[0:34:01] Voice 3: please thank you um i agree so in the back there there was a question that's okay i just had my

[0:34:08] Voice 3: hand speaking speakers

[0:34:12] Voice 9: but um i think working with staff i'll try and keep an eye out i don't

[0:34:16] Voice 9: remember all your names of course but i'll keep an eye out so sir also

[0:34:20] Voice 3: are you asking for the

[0:34:22] Voice 3: answer to these questions now or is this just um for the discussion i think we're asking

[0:34:28] Voice 3: do you have any questions about what you've seen or heard so far

[0:34:36] Voice 3: Is the OCP not supposed to be integrated and related to the TPS?

[0:34:43] Voice 3: Our OCP, is it not interchangeable, basically?

[0:34:46] Voice 3: That's a great question.

[0:34:47] Voice 3: And on top of that, why are we doing this when our TPS is ?

[0:34:54] Voice 13: Also a great question.

[0:34:55] Voice 13: Marissa,

[0:34:56] Voice 1: did you hear that question?

[0:34:57] Voice 1: Can you repeat it, please, Peter?

[0:34:59] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:35:00] Voice 13: we'll have to be because it's

[0:35:02] Voice 9: online we need to balance our um our speaking opportunities

[0:35:06] Voice 9: so the question is um um how does the trust policy statement interact with this process

[0:35:14] Voice 9: and why are we doing an ocp review uh prior to the trust policy statement being completed i think is

[0:35:23] Voice 13: Yeah,

[0:35:25] Voice 2: so the the trust policy statement is sort of like a higher level guidance policy and the OCP, you know, relates to the to the will is sort of the lower level specific to the islands policy and and there definitely is a relationship between the two in that the OCP needs to consider.

[0:35:53] Voice 2: what's in the trust policy statement at a higher level.

[0:35:59] Voice 2: Yeah, the trust policy statement continues to be

[0:36:02] Voice 2: in a process of evolution.

[0:36:05] Voice 2: So currently, when we're looking at sort of what to use

[0:36:12] Voice 2: as guidance in this process,

[0:36:14] Voice 2: we do look to the existing trust policy statement,

[0:36:17] Voice 2: but we do consider the way that it's also evolving.

[0:36:21] Voice 2: So, and I guess the question is really, you know, we don't know how long it will take before we have a new trust policy statement, and that would be a question for the community, whether they are willing to wait or whether they're keen to move now.

[0:36:42] Voice 2: like I think there won't be because we do have a draft there and because there is sort of like a

[0:36:51] Voice 2: it's not a it's a sort of a more of a guiding document it's not a completely direct correlation

[0:36:57] Voice 2: we can still develop an effective OCP that will speak to will you know the two documents will not

[0:37:06] Voice 2: be disconnected let's say there still will be uh uh they'll speak to each other in in a sense like

[0:37:14] Voice 2: that there will be a relationship there yeah

[0:37:17] Voice 9: notice that maybe i

[0:37:18] Voice 9: just might add to that answer

[0:37:20] Voice 9: and correct me if i'm wrong um certainly uh the trust policy statement you kind of got uh is the

[0:37:27] Voice 9: overarching guiding principles

[0:37:28] Voice 8: document and more particularly values um and aspirations um but

[0:37:34] Voice 8: So what we do as the Islands Trust,

[0:37:37] Voice 8: that's the trust policy statement in very broad terms,

[0:37:40] Voice 8: official community plans are community vision

[0:37:43] Voice 8: and community values

[0:37:44] Voice 9: that are then manifest

[0:37:47] Voice 9: in language bylaws that then perform some regulation

[0:37:52] Voice 9: around the values and vision of the community.

[0:37:56] Voice 9: What's important here, the second question you asked

[0:37:59] Voice 9: about why are we not waiting until that's done

[0:38:02] Voice 9: is a really good question.

[0:38:04] Voice 9: However, in this time of flux and change,

[0:38:08] Voice 9: it's important that there are concurrent activities

[0:38:12] Voice 9: and that we continue to conduct the business

[0:38:17] Voice 9: of

[0:38:18] Voice 8: the Islands Trust,

[0:38:18] Voice 8: which I think of as the preservation

[0:38:21] Voice 8: and protection of the Gulf Islands,

[0:38:22] Voice 8: that that needs to continue on.

[0:38:24] Voice 8: And certainly there,

[0:38:25] Voice 8: I think the trustees could speak to,

[0:38:27] Voice 8: there are perceived pressing needs within the community

[0:38:31] Voice 9: to make some changes now,

[0:38:33] Voice 9: which I think that in the broader context,

[0:38:36] Voice 9: as that OCP work continues

[0:38:38] Voice 9: in cooperation with the APCs and stuff,

[0:38:42] Voice 9: certainly what's happening in the TPC world

[0:38:45] Voice 8: will be always in our sights

[0:38:48] Voice 8: and that we will be considering that

[0:38:50] Voice 8: in relation to that

[0:38:52] Voice 8: because we certainly wouldn't want

[0:38:53] Voice 8: to be creating conflicts between those

[0:38:55] Voice 8: because the whole idea is that LUVs

[0:38:58] Voice 8: need to reflect what's in the OTP

[0:39:00] Voice 8: and the OCP needs to reflect the values

[0:39:02] Voice 8: in the trust policy statement.

[0:39:04] Voice 8: And so it's

[0:39:06] Voice 9: evolving and we're gonna try

[0:39:07] Voice 9: and work concurrently.

[0:39:08] Voice 9: And there's quite a bit of hope actually

[0:39:11] Voice 9: that the next draft might be more popular

[0:39:14] Voice 9: than the previous draft of the TPS.

[0:39:17] Voice 9: And so that there'd be opportunity for us

[0:39:20] Voice 9: to move forward on this.

[0:39:21] Voice 9: Oh, here's the flow.

[0:39:22] Voice 9: Here's the flow.

[0:39:24] Voice 3: We haven't got time.

[0:39:27] Voice 3: Haven't got time.

[0:39:28] Voice 4: If

[0:39:28] Voice 3: we have big changes in the TPS and we have already written our OCP, will we have to change

[0:39:38] Voice 3: it to come in line with the TPS?

[0:39:42] Voice 9: Well, Marissa might be able to add to that, but I'll just say that if we're working concurrently,

[0:39:47] Voice 9: we're going to be reflecting upon the progress of the work that's happening in the draft

[0:39:51] Voice 9: with an anticipation that the draft TPS will be reflected in OCPs.

[0:39:55] Voice 9: But I think always the one notion, actually, that's important to understand is that actually the TPC will continue to flux and change over time.

[0:40:05] Voice 9: We're doing kind of a catch-up thing at the moment to bring more context to First Nations relationships in the land and also climate change and housing.

[0:40:15] Voice 9: And so the level of detail that happens in the OCP won't necessarily be affected by future

[0:40:23] Voice 9: minor changes in the trust policy statement, but certainly if it's something that is more

[0:40:28] Voice 9: significant sometime in the future, an OCP amendment may

[0:40:31] Voice 13: be necessary, but

[0:40:33] Voice 3: that can be

[0:40:33] Voice 3: achieved concurrently over time.

[0:40:36] Voice 3: I don't think there's a good answer.

[0:40:39] Voice 3: Thank you, Peter.

[0:40:40] Voice 3: Somebody here, I saw Susan.

[0:40:44] Voice 3: Did you want

[0:40:45] Voice 13: to add to that?

[0:40:46] Voice 13: Well,

[0:40:46] Voice 3: sure, just pursuant to what Alex was saying about the importance of the trust policy statement and the guiding document, and it is a good guiding document.

[0:40:55] Voice 3: I know myself, looking at every stage of an OCP amendment, particularly a lot, if there was something in that OCP amendment that I felt was directly in opposition to the trust policy statement,

[0:41:08] Voice 3: how it is right now, as well as what is being worked on,

[0:41:12] Voice 3: I would speak up and I would say something about that.

[0:41:17] Voice 3: I still think that the trust policy statement

[0:41:19] Voice 3: is a very good one.

[0:41:21] Voice 3: It's just a little dated, but so is that on the CP.

[0:41:25] Voice 3: So yes, it's very obviously to me that we consider,

[0:41:31] Voice 3: especially the guiding principles of the trust policy.

[0:41:37] Voice 13: I think I have a

[0:41:37] Voice 3: lady in front of me

[0:41:38] Voice 13: here, a gentleman in the back.

[0:41:42] Voice 3: I think that gentleman has a hand

[0:41:44] Voice 13: up as well.

[0:41:46] Voice 13: So let's go to these people. I'll come back to you, sir.

[0:41:49] Voice 3: There's a lady in the front row.

[0:41:52] Voice 3: So my name is Diane. I'm a smart partner.

[0:41:56] Voice 3: I just want to clarify something.

[0:42:00] Voice 3: I think it's true in that word.

[0:42:04] Voice 3: We all have an eye on it, quite clearly.

[0:42:07] Voice 3: but we don't live as though we are separate from other items in the trust we have two trustees

[0:42:13] Voice 3: one of whom is on i believe on trust council who pay attention constantly to the relationship

[0:42:20] Voice 3: between the trust policy statement and our needs in an efficient community plan and so i i think

[0:42:28] Voice 3: we need to understand that that is their mandate is to think about the big picture and how our

[0:42:37] Voice 3: our piece fits in with that and i have a lot of trust in their ability to guide us through that

[0:42:42] Voice 3: because that's what we're doing exactly thank you

[0:42:47] Voice 3: so

[0:42:58] Voice 3: areas uh i think that um you know we have to treat cutting and thoughts and stuff like that

[0:43:04] Voice 3: so i think that my input would be exactly more and i'll put a little

[0:43:11] Voice 3: didn't be made on box and so on yet you know if that's the way it goes

[0:43:17] Voice 3: tree cutting on holy again square cutting and you know etc like when it comes to single tree

[0:43:26] Voice 3: cutting and some of it is required i don't think we brought out the

[0:43:29] Voice 3: influence that this is not

[0:43:31] Voice 3: where people are on the ground right and i'll just say that thank you for that because indeed we've

[0:43:41] Voice 8: heard that message and i think you'll be interested to see the draft will reflect

[0:43:47] Voice 8: some of that because indeed some of that

[0:43:50] Voice 9: local that local authority is important um but just to

[0:43:54] Voice 9: to turn the focus a moment here.

[0:43:57] Voice 9: This is, we're in the planning stage

[0:43:59] Voice 9: of talking about an OCP development

[0:44:01] Voice 9: and who we're gonna talk to

[0:44:02] Voice 9: and how we're gonna progress

[0:44:03] Voice 9: more than the specific details of this point in time.

[0:44:07] Voice 9: And so, Narissa, do you have anything else to add

[0:44:10] Voice 9: at this moment?

[0:44:11] Voice 9: I'll go to the next person to speak.

[0:44:13] Voice 9: In particular, with respect to tree cutting and docks,

[0:44:17] Voice 9: were there two particular topics there?

[0:44:19] Voice 11: Maybe perhaps where that information would sit.

[0:44:21] Voice 3: it would be in the OCP or the OEB.

[0:44:24] Voice 13: Yeah, thank you.

[0:44:26] Voice 13: Reforestation.

[0:44:26] Voice 13: I

[0:44:27] Voice 2: mean, the only thing I would,

[0:44:29] Voice 2: Chair Luckin and I, I think I, I think

[0:44:30] Voice 3: I, I.

[0:44:31] Voice 3: Bruce, just a moment, Bruce, please, Bruce.

[0:44:36] Voice 3: I'm begging you, I'm begging this body.

[0:44:39] Voice 3: Please encourage

[0:44:40] Voice 8: planting.

[0:44:42] Voice 3: We have here.

[0:44:42] Voice 3: We've

[0:44:43] Voice 8: lost so much tree cover in this area.

[0:44:47] Voice 3: 80% over.

[0:44:48] Voice 3: So Bruce, I

[0:44:49] Voice 8: am asking you.

[0:44:50] Voice 8: Encourage people like us who are not over-developing these lots.

[0:44:55] Voice 8: Bruce, Bruce

[0:44:57] Voice 3: are planting things on the lots.

[0:45:00] Voice 3: Encourage people.

[0:45:03] Voice 10: No.

[0:45:07] Voice 10: Can

[0:45:08] Voice 3: I just speak to that for a second?

[0:45:11] Voice 3: We have a speaker's link as long as we're not missing anybody.

[0:45:14] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:45:14] Voice 3: So Bruce, I just need to ask you that when you speak,

[0:45:19] Voice 3: It disrupts the audience communication with everybody else, and we just

[0:45:23] Voice 8: need to take turns.

[0:45:23] Voice 8: I'm sorry for standing up for you.

[0:45:26] Voice 8: Well, no, I'm not sorry for you standing up for the planet, but I need

[0:45:29] Voice 3: you to just participate in the group.

[0:45:32] Voice 3: Okay?

[0:45:33] Voice 3: We respect that.

[0:45:33] Voice 3: Are we okay?

[0:45:35] Voice 3: Yeah, I captured his comment as well.

[0:45:38] Voice 3: Did we lose this gentleman?

[0:45:39] Voice 3: Maybe you just took a phone call.

[0:45:41] Voice 3: He might come back, but I think there is any follow

[0:45:43] Voice 13: -up on that.

[0:45:43] Voice 13: Okay, I'm sorry, Vanessa.

[0:45:44] Voice 13: Do you have any further follow-up?

[0:45:46] Voice 3: I think we had a question here.

[0:45:48] Voice 3: yeah i

[0:45:49] Voice 9: just wanted to make sure that nervous was caught up with where we're at docs

[0:45:54] Voice 13: and um

[0:45:56] Voice 2: yeah i mean

[0:45:58] Voice 2: my only comment peter and i think you've already made this comment is that the

[0:46:01] Voice 2: focus of today is really to find out what what information is out there what you know what

[0:46:08] Voice 2: topics have the community already dug into and where can we gather that information the

[0:46:13] Voice 2: opportunity to have targeted um engagement on specific um topics will come um in the process

[0:46:20] Voice 9: right that's that's the key message we will be talking about that here

[0:46:25] Voice 9: um so is that my

[0:46:26] Voice 8: next person okay um i'm going to join the housing committee

[0:46:31] Voice 8: and so there'll be a lot to be thought about during that but i just want to make one comment

[0:46:38] Voice 8: at that moment. If we plan on building any more houses on this island, we have to work with the

[0:46:44] Voice 8: regional district of Nanaimo. And the regional district of Nanaimo has a set of guidelines,

[0:46:50] Voice 8: rules, etc., etc. And if you wander too far from them, you're in a world of trouble trying to build

[0:46:56] Voice 8: a new house. And their guidelines have got wording with respect to trees and drainage and all that.

[0:47:03] Voice 8: sometimes they're not aware what the items trust statement says their their inspectors are ignorant

[0:47:09] Voice 7: of some of this stuff

[0:47:10] Voice 8: but we have to keep that in mind because

[0:47:13] Voice 7: as soon as we start building things

[0:47:15] Voice 8: we have to toe the line with what they say because the inspector won't pass you you're stuck you're

[0:47:21] Voice 8: dead it's about it i'll have more to say when we get into the housing aspect

[0:47:26] Voice 9: part of it okay

[0:47:28] Voice 9: so thank you for that uh do you have something to say there with respect to the relationship

[0:47:33] Voice 9: between the regional district and the local trust committee

[0:47:37] Voice 9: with regards to our land use planning authority

[0:47:39] Voice 13: and the regional district's building permit process, I guess?

[0:47:46] Voice 2: Yeah, I mean, only to say that, you know, I mean,

[0:47:50] Voice 2: with the, you know, the Islands Trust exists

[0:47:54] Voice 2: in a really interesting sort of jurisdictional relationship

[0:47:57] Voice 2: with the regional districts generally.

[0:48:02] Voice 2: And, again, I mean, there are things, the regional district and the building permitting process, essentially, they are getting their direction from the building code.

[0:48:15] Voice 2: And there are some things that, unfortunately, we can't overstep.

[0:48:21] Voice 2: but again um you know just sort of coming back to the focus of this um of this of today's discussion

[0:48:28] Voice 2: is really about uh is about you know you know again how how we'll have the opportunity to

[0:48:35] Voice 2: dig into some of this stuff and if there are conversations to be had with um with the

[0:48:39] Voice 2: regional districts we will have them um you know just even if it's just to clarify what their role

[0:48:45] Voice 2: and responsibilities are and how they go about their work and where there's opportunity um

[0:48:51] Voice 2: for us to potentially have some influence.

[0:48:56] Voice 2: Again, we can have those conversations.

[0:49:10] Voice 3: If I can maybe just add to that, go ahead.

[0:49:13] Voice 3: Yeah, no, I just want to acknowledge

[0:49:15] Voice 3: the regional director is here.

[0:49:17] Voice 3: And so thank you for the question and for the answer.

[0:49:20] Voice 3: I think, do

[0:49:21] Voice 8: you have anything else

[0:49:22] Voice 8: you'd like to offer there?

[0:49:23] Voice 8: I've got a few there because obviously they'll be referring the process and consultation that just advances.

[0:49:29] Voice 8: Yes,

[0:49:29] Voice 3: I mean, it's a dance between the regional district and the Adams Trust, but you are the authority for land use planning on the islands.

[0:49:39] Voice 3: I'm excited to hear as a resident of the neighborhood, the trend you're taking this process.

[0:49:44] Voice 3: Yeah, I mean, it's going to be a long process.

[0:49:46] Voice 3: And yes, it's a long process, but it's a time to evolve.

[0:49:50] Voice 3: opportunity yeah but i i look forward if uh if there's an opportunity to to make sure that

[0:49:59] Voice 3: the rdn is aware of what but uh yeah i don't suppose this is working on awesome and that's

[0:50:10] Voice 3: a great sort of opportunity to work with you today to go back to where we're here today is

[0:50:15] Voice 3: to help with these conversations happening so we're leaning on

[0:50:19] Voice 3: everybody here today to tell us

[0:50:24] Voice 3: So we're going to capture that so we know what we need to talk to regional districts about, right, for example.

[0:50:31] Voice 3: Do you have a question?

[0:50:32] Voice 3: Yes.

[0:50:33] Voice 3: Can I ask somebody here?

[0:50:34] Voice 3: So first

[0:50:36] Voice 4: of all, I want to thank Narissa for her hard work, for their hard work.

[0:50:42] Voice 4: And I want to say I worked in government banks and insurance companies for three years.

[0:50:48] Voice 4: And I've been through a lot of planning and project planning processes, so I haven't kind of joined its view of it.

[0:50:57] Voice 4: And my question is, and I'll have a follow-up, is this anything to do with the, it was an engineering group that did a survey.

[0:51:12] Voice 4: So it surprised me that it was an engineering group because I would have thought it would be a survey group.

[0:51:19] Voice 3: But

[0:51:19] Voice 4: there was an engineer, can anybody enlighten me as to what that was and if it has anything

[0:51:24] Voice 4: to do with either TPS or the OCP?

[0:51:30] Voice 4: Are you aware

[0:51:31] Voice 2: of that, Nerissa?

[0:51:33] Voice 2: I'm not aware of that.

[0:51:35] Voice 2: Again, that's part of our discussion today is like, what's out there?

[0:51:39] Voice 2: What should we look at?

[0:51:40] Voice 2: So yeah, I mean, I haven't seen that particular report.

[0:51:45] Voice 2: For today, let's

[0:51:46] Voice 13: flag that as something we need to address.

[0:51:48] Voice 13: Okay,

[0:51:48] Voice 3: then, but my, my,

[0:51:50] Voice 13: pardon me, sorry,

[0:51:54] Voice 3: no,

[0:51:58] Voice 4: no, this is, this is recent, it was a

[0:52:01] Voice 4: online meeting, but regardless, um, I, in this day and age, with people talking about

[0:52:08] Voice 4: direct democracy, people's councils, and things like that, uh, my feeling is, uh,

[0:52:17] Voice 4: like I'm asking, why is it the official community plan?

[0:52:20] Voice 4: Is there an unofficial community plan?

[0:52:23] Voice 4: And my feeling is consensus takes a lot of time and it's difficult,

[0:52:30] Voice 4: but I don't mind.

[0:52:31] Voice 4: I have a pit in my stomach when I hear any kind of things happening

[0:52:36] Voice 4: because of things that have happened and will happen.

[0:52:39] Voice 4: I think I'm not alone.

[0:52:40] Voice 4: And so I don't mind if it takes time.

[0:52:45] Voice 4: individual things and there's still plenty of things that can be done in parallel but it does

[0:52:50] Voice 4: concern me that at the very end of the process there's something maybe using the students to do

[0:52:57] Voice 4: and data collection is not consultation and this is this is a uh that's why i brought up that

[0:53:05] Voice 4: that survey because it was, it was like, you know,

[0:53:11] Voice 4: it was something that was rolling ahead, like a juggernaut.

[0:53:18] Voice 4: And I like, in general,

[0:53:22] Voice 4: I think that there should be community engagement

[0:53:28] Voice 4: all the way and that community engagement

[0:53:31] Voice 4: should be in person and it will take time.

[0:53:35] Voice 4: so it might be of something like a two-day meeting or a five-day meeting or something like that but

[0:53:41] Voice 4: uh that's how the first nations did it and anyway that's that's kind of my thought so it does worry

[0:53:48] Voice 4: me that at the very tail end there's uh there's uh something called uh data collection and

[0:53:55] Voice 4: consultation because that has not worked out with first nations thank

[0:54:00] Voice 9: you we'll turn to the

[0:54:02] Voice 9: regional firehouse so

[0:54:03] Voice 11: nurse i can clarify so part of what we're doing here today is before we

[0:54:09] Voice 11: start

[0:54:10] Voice 3: into updating the official community plan and even starting to work on what this project is

[0:54:18] Voice 3: there was an opportunity that the trustee said hey let's reach out before the actual work begins

[0:54:23] Voice 3: to find out a little bit more about what work has been done before how do we want to engage so i

[0:54:29] Voice 3: hear that we're starting to jump into one of these questions already which is great um so this is the

[0:54:35] Voice 3: time this is all really good information for

[0:54:37] Voice 12: us um the work that we're about to start and the

[0:54:42] Voice 12: updating to the official community plan it's called official because it's a community document

[0:54:48] Voice 3: um it's it evolves and it gets updated when it's changed so for community change

[0:54:59] Voice 3: So we're always up to date on that, and this is part of that process.

[0:55:06] Voice 3: So I know there's another question, and perhaps we'll do it back there.

[0:55:10] Voice 3: Do

[0:55:10] Voice 11: you have a question?

[0:55:10] Voice 3: If there are both of these questions on the screen, that's ways to engage documents, perhaps.

[0:55:17] Voice 3: perhaps I can get everybody's comments together.

[0:55:24] Voice 3: Is there something like that?

[0:55:26] Voice 1: My

[0:55:26] Voice 3: question is directly related to that.

[0:55:27] Voice 3: Could we, according to the discussion that you did with us,

[0:55:31] Voice 3: maybe a little bit more specific, please let us know.

[0:55:39] Voice 10: And we'll take a

[0:55:39] Voice 3: moment to reset the room.

[0:55:41] Voice 3: So we'll take a moment to hear a couple of questions.

[0:55:44] Voice 3: Please sit in the rooms and you can come up

[0:55:46] Voice 3: and talk about the questions you have.

[0:55:49] Voice 3: We're excited to also be good.

[0:55:52] Voice 3: i'm just going to pause really important one person at a time speaking

[0:55:57] Voice 9: it's important that

[0:55:59] Voice 9: there not be side conversations going on because

[0:56:02] Voice 3: it disrupts the opportunity for all of us to hear

[0:56:06] Voice 3: um i want to continue i i sort of have a sense right

[0:56:11] Voice 13: is it's great that staff and myself

[0:56:14] Voice 13: are sharing what we know with you i think it's really important

[0:56:18] Voice 3: that this juncture where we're

[0:56:20] Voice 3: we're getting a sense of some feeling in the room

[0:56:22] Voice 3: that you hear from your local elected representatives

[0:56:24] Voice 3: in terms of this early, early, early planning stage

[0:56:30] Voice 3: and then what I'd like to do,

[0:56:33] Voice 3: and this is just me in the process,

[0:56:35] Voice 3: because I want this to be honest, intimate conversation,

[0:56:39] Voice 3: genuine conversation,

[0:56:41] Voice 13: and so then get a sense of what your locally,

[0:56:45] Voice 13: your elected representatives are thinking about,

[0:56:48] Voice 13: I suppose, and then I'd like to hear from those

[0:56:50] Voice 13: that have stepped up and volunteered on the OCP,

[0:56:52] Voice 13: because what we're trying to do here

[0:56:54] Voice 13: is begin this process

[0:56:56] Voice 13: knowing that we're all being able to be

[0:56:58] Voice 3: heard, that all the concerns that we're hearing

[0:57:00] Voice 3: from the broader public and stuff are all

[0:57:02] Voice 3: going to be engaged. This is a really important document

[0:57:04] Voice 3: for you. It's an important

[0:57:06] Voice 3: document to me, and

[0:57:08] Voice 3: we need to be sure we're on

[0:57:10] Voice 9: the right path so we can get it right.

[0:57:12] Voice 9: So

[0:57:12] Voice 13: I think there's two more questions,

[0:57:14] Voice 9: and then I think I really think that's

[0:57:16] Voice 9: all I can do to give you the chance to

[0:57:18] Voice 3: for lack of a sense so are you the next person with the first question i i did have a couple

[0:57:25] Voice 3: of questions um one for narissa just because i'm new to the advisory committee thing and um so

[0:57:35] Voice 3: uh being

[0:57:35] Voice 6: the um regional planning manager are you someone who i could contact on a regular basis

[0:57:42] Voice 6: with questions about how to proceed with um ideas and how to integrate them potentially

[0:57:47] Voice 6: into the community plan um

[0:57:51] Voice 2: so first of all i'm not the regional planning manager um that's renee

[0:57:55] Voice 2: i know it's confusing because i'm a regional planning team member

[0:58:01] Voice 2: so um but and what i would say is that um like we want to keep we want to be able to keep the

[0:58:08] Voice 2: process fairly um focused so absolutely i would be the person to be sending um to be sending you

[0:58:15] Voice 2: know information or um you know ideas that you might have um what i would encourage folks to do

[0:58:21] Voice 2: is is if we can focus on what we're looking for at uh you know in in at this time period so right now

[0:58:28] Voice 2: um you know the focus is really going to be on what information is out there who do we need to

[0:58:33] Voice 2: talk to in the community who knows you know who are the good people to talk to i understand there's

[0:58:37] Voice 2: some good there's some there's a health uh group in the community there are different groups in the

[0:58:42] Voice 2: community um how do we get in touch with them and if you have ideas about um engagement because we'll

[0:58:49] Voice 2: be um we'll be working on an engagement plan so those are the things that would be that we're kind

[0:58:54] Voice 2: of focusing on right now so again we're sort of in the pre-phase so we're not we're not yet getting

[0:58:59] Voice 2: into the details of uh you know specifically like you know this is what we would like we need to

[0:59:04] Voice 2: happen in the community or this is what we need to have in the community right now we're in um you

[0:59:08] Voice 2: know let's find out where the community is at let's understand where the community is at um and

[0:59:14] Voice 2: by by really you know talking to members in the community who have been have been working to to

[0:59:20] Voice 2: understand these things so that's our it's really like we're trying to figure out our baseline so

[0:59:25] Voice 2: absolutely if you've got information related to um you know how we can understand where the

[0:59:31] Voice 2: community is at right now um in terms of you know different um different areas if there's um

[0:59:37] Voice 2: if there's research that's been done, reports that have been written, again groups that would

[0:59:43] Voice 2: be good to connect with, that's the kind of information that we're looking for right now.

[0:59:47] Voice 3: And I can also offer, I can be your local contact as we're in a bit of a

[0:59:53] Voice 3: plus with our planners for the real team office so i can be your contact as well and i'll make

[1:00:00] Voice 3: that information flows through to Marissa. Wonderful, thank you. I also had a question

[1:00:09] Voice 3: for the person who's sitting right behind me. You are with the Regional Planning Commission

[1:00:15] Voice 3: for Nanaimo? Regional District. Okay, sorry. So with regards to what we're saying about there

[1:00:24] Voice 3: There being the potential mismatches between the Nanaimo current building code, I guess that's what we're calling it, and the need of the island to work towards sustainable solutions.

[1:00:40] Voice 3: there is some flexibility possibly are you saying in like for instance as I understand it a lot of

[1:00:48] Voice 3: the newer sustainable building technologies are not necessarily integrated into the existing

[1:00:55] Voice 3: building code and so when there be the possibility for exceptions for essentially experimental

[1:01:05] Voice 3: technologies or integrating older technologies like COMP into local

[1:01:10] Voice 3: building assessments. I think we're

[1:01:14] Voice 3: drilling a

[1:01:18] Voice 8: bit too deep on this at the moment, but I think the answer generally is yes, there's opportunity for conversation. There are limitations with respect to the building code that neither the regional

[1:01:27] Voice 3: district nor us own.

[1:01:35] Voice 3: Yeah, I mean, and there has been cases where we've been able to look at innovative approaches,

[1:01:43] Voice 3: but it takes a lot of work on the behalf of the people who own it, trying to convince

[1:01:48] Voice 3: that you can still meet the safety and the other requirements of income generation as

[1:01:53] Voice 3: well, trying to do something for the baby.

[1:02:04] Voice 10: And

[1:02:05] Voice 13: I just know that building code is about health and safety. Fundamentally, health and safety, and we all probably are well aware of Vicky Condor.

[1:02:14] Voice 7: That

[1:02:15] Voice 9: was a serious mistake in which the provincial government doesn't ever want to go down that road again.

[1:02:20] Voice 9: out of its precautionary and immediately in precaution

[1:02:24] Voice 3: we lose focus on some of the potential

[1:02:28] Voice 3: benefits of doing things um was there another question here right here

[1:02:35] Voice 3: more of a comment i guess directly on the presentation um it seemed to me that was

[1:02:41] Voice 3: pretty well developed process it's going to get lots of people opportunity to have their feedback

[1:02:46] Voice 3: back to more specific details, which clearly we have a lot of

[1:02:50] Voice 3: opinions here. And so I'm looking forward to hearing all

[1:02:56] Voice 3: the different opinions once we get to that part. And I would

[1:02:59] Voice 3: love to echo your sentiment that one person talk at a time. It's

[1:03:02] Voice 3: great echoing here and it's really hard to hear.

[1:03:08] Voice 13: Okay. Was there one remaining question? So Bruce, one question

[1:03:13] Voice 13: for

[1:03:14] Voice 3: you on the planning process on the planning what we're doing here today what you're doing

[1:03:21] Voice 3: here today is we're sending back okay okay when we get to that we'll look at it that's our law

[1:03:29] Voice 3: that's our law yeah too much detail you want us to assume okay in 2007

[1:03:40] Voice 3: My partner, who

[1:03:42] Voice 8: just came in here, and won't stay, because he's disgusted with this process

[1:03:47] Voice 8: for years.

[1:03:48] Voice 3: 2-0-0-7.

[1:03:50] Voice 3: Be respectful to everyone else in the room when you speak out like this, sir.

[1:03:53] Voice 3: Okay, 2-0-0-7.

[1:03:54] Voice 3: Sir,

[1:03:55] Voice 12: thank you for having me

[1:03:56] Voice 3: on your station.

[1:03:56] Voice 3: Thank

[1:03:56] Voice 12: you for having me on your station.

[1:03:56] Voice 12: A

[1:03:56] Voice 3: presentation to this body.

[1:03:58] Voice 12: We are going to move

[1:03:58] Voice 3: on to the next part.

[1:04:02] Voice 3: The overdevelopment of the pathogen life.

[1:04:07] Voice 3: All of these people came to speak to the point of the term.

[1:04:12] Voice 3: He's waiting on the recess.

[1:04:14] Voice 3: They said, well, we're going to get that here.

[1:04:17] Voice 3: For Martha, there's been witness for the nap.

[1:04:20] Voice 10: It was

[1:04:20] Voice 3: like, let's get out of the.

[1:04:39] Voice 3: Let's continue to

[1:04:40] Voice 8: come back to this pre-planning process that we're involved in.

[1:04:43] Voice 8: I

[1:04:44] Voice 9: did ask the trustees, now that they've got a sense of what's going on with the community

[1:04:50] Voice 9: community and the members that are here today to maybe share their thoughts about this process

[1:04:55] Voice 9: and where it is that you anticipate we're going and how we're going to get there in

[1:05:00] Voice 9: confidence to what Marissa has laid out and you can choose to say as much as you wish

[1:05:05] Voice 9: but just wanted to give you that chance as the elected

[1:05:07] Voice 3: representative because I think

[1:05:09] Voice 3: it's important that you are the elected representative.

[1:05:11] Voice 3: My only comments would be thank you for coming and the second one is you I believe are the

[1:05:18] Voice 3: best people to help us design the process this is not a it's not best

[1:05:24] Voice 3: engineered problem in my perspective or any one person's perspective it is a

[1:05:28] Voice 3: group and a collective effort how do we responsibly engage with members of our

[1:05:34] Voice 3: community in an equitable manner what will be needed for if anything a

[1:05:40] Voice 3: consultant what parts of the project need to be managed with an unbiased say

[1:05:45] Voice 3: arms-length distance person what can we handle ourselves what groups are best to put to do that

[1:05:50] Voice 3: so it's not a i'm really delighted that we can co-design this process together it's not about

[1:05:57] Voice 3: my perspective it's what do we need to do to to create a community plan that truly emerges from

[1:06:02] Voice 3: the community so thank you for being here

[1:06:06] Voice 11: yes and from my

[1:06:07] Voice 11: perspective i can assure you all that

[1:06:10] Voice 3: at the trust council level and at the financial planning committee level of council toby and i

[1:06:17] Voice 3: will heartily defend uh the budget that is required to get our ocd finished this is only

[1:06:24] Voice 3: the first stage and it had we have eighteen thousand dollars to sign at the large council

[1:06:30] Voice 3: meeting which is in a couple of weeks we will know if that actually will go through it looks

[1:06:35] Voice 3: like it will be fine at this point i don't think there'll be a problem but of course we will defend

[1:06:41] Voice 3: that and if

[1:06:42] Voice 3: in future budget years we will continue to ask for the funds that we need

[1:06:46] Voice 3: to complete this ocp review hopefully before our term is over um the only other

[1:06:52] Voice 3: thing i want to

[1:06:52] Voice 3: say is that we have just as an example the health and wellness collaborative have 52 member agencies

[1:07:01] Voice 3: and groups. So, Gabriela has a plethora of active

[1:07:05] Voice 11: groups and agencies who are all concerned about

[1:07:08] Voice 11: wellness in this community. I don't think we'll have any problem

[1:07:12] Voice 3: getting people to come out to

[1:07:14] Voice 3: meetings. We've got Gabriela Talks, we've organized things like the All Candidates meeting.

[1:07:22] Voice 3: meaning we have groups that are really good

[1:07:25] Voice 3: at organizing public input.

[1:07:29] Voice 3: So we look to you for expertise and advice and suggestions

[1:07:34] Voice 3: as to how to go forward

[1:07:36] Voice 3: with actually getting into the nuts and bolts of the OC.

[1:07:44] Voice 3: Now, Renee, if that's all right,

[1:07:46] Voice 9: I did suggest that perhaps APC members,

[1:07:49] Voice 9: Rod, you might have something to express at this point

[1:07:51] Voice 9: about their involvement and being here and then maybe we'll go into specific so I just want to

[1:07:58] Voice 9: offer that opportunity to be sure that we're all having the same level of opportunity to speak in

[1:08:03] Voice 9: does anybody wish to say anything

[1:08:05] Voice 3: about the process at this point I just like to get going

[1:08:10] Voice 3: I was in favor okay Renee so

[1:08:18] Voice 11: Nerissa can you hear me from there great okay so

[1:08:23] Voice 11: So Nerissa and I are now, we're jumping into the questions that we've had up here.

[1:08:27] Voice 11: For the benefit of the group, they're pointing

[1:08:30] Voice 3: to the wall for Nerissa to hear me.

[1:08:31] Voice 3: We have the four questions up on the wall.

[1:08:34] Voice 3: Everybody has some sticky notes and a pen, Nerissa.

[1:08:37] Voice 12: So what I was thinking sort of as we just pivot with

[1:08:42] Voice 3: the group that we have now, I recognize

[1:08:44] Voice 3: it's noon.

[1:08:45] Voice 3: We had planned to break for lunch at 1230.

[1:08:49] Voice 3: and we do have some light lunch here with us.

[1:08:53] Voice 3: So perhaps we can move through the first question.

[1:08:56] Voice 3: If there's anybody that's been able to stay

[1:08:59] Voice 3: for the afternoon, please feel free to write your comments

[1:09:03] Voice 3: for each question before you go

[1:09:05] Voice 3: and just stick them up on these papers

[1:09:08] Voice 3: because what we'll make sure we'll do

[1:09:10] Voice 3: is when we summarize each one,

[1:09:12] Voice 3: your comments are included in that.

[1:09:14] Voice 3: And if you forget something,

[1:09:17] Voice 3: We have Nerissa's contact email and my cell contact name as well.

[1:09:22] Voice 3: We can make sure we collect that and it gets over to Nerissa.

[1:09:26] Voice 3: How does that sound Nerissa? Good? How does that sound everyone?

[1:09:31] Voice 3: Perhaps I'll just chime in.

[1:09:32] Voice 9: If there are members of the APC that are joining us by watching the live streaming,

[1:09:37] Voice 9: if they can email us any of those questions that they

[1:09:40] Voice 13: might have, we will be

[1:09:41] Voice 13: included as well.

[1:09:42] Voice 13: Oh, thank

[1:09:43] Voice 3: you. And they have Nerissa's email, who's the island planner as well, so they can send that to her, and she'll make sure she gets it.

[1:09:51] Voice 3: Okay, so, thank you. I hope everybody had a

[1:09:55] Voice 11: snack. Let's talk about the first question.

[1:09:57] Voice 11: So, Nerissa, do you want to give a bit of a, maybe, Nerissa, you can talk to us about the first question, and we can spend 10 minutes reflecting on that.

[1:10:05] Voice 11: And then, yeah, the idea is to get everybody up and moving a little bit, so sitting.

[1:10:10] Voice 11: So let's talk about the first question, any thoughts

[1:10:13] Voice 3: to share and people write down what work has been done before, Narissa?

[1:10:20] Voice 1: Oh, thoughts about what work has been done before, yeah.

[1:10:23] Voice 2: So

[1:10:23] Voice 1: I think I've

[1:10:24] Voice 2: mentioned in the presentation that, you know, we're aware that there is some work that has been done, but, you know, it's a fairly short list.

[1:10:34] Voice 2: and that's only because we've only started to get kind of get into the project so haven't spent like

[1:10:40] Voice 2: really much much time on it um yet so um that's why our list is like very short so um um and

[1:10:49] Voice 2: so when we think about this question um you know what we're the kind of um information we're looking

[1:10:56] Voice 2: for is uh you know if you've been engaged in or if you know that there have been others in

[1:11:03] Voice 2: in the community that have been engaged in doing studies

[1:11:06] Voice 2: or having focused working groups on particular issues.

[1:11:12] Voice 2: I mentioned the housing work, which is quite substantial.

[1:11:17] Voice 2: There may be some other work that we're not aware of.

[1:11:21] Voice 2: Those are the kinds of things that we're interested in.

[1:11:24] Voice 2: And I would add, so we're,

[1:11:28] Voice 2: the last OCP update was in 2010.

[1:11:31] Voice 2: 10. So even if the information is dated, it's still worth having a look at. So if you know

[1:11:38] Voice 2: that there was some work that was done in, you know, 2012 or something like that or even previous

[1:11:46] Voice 2: to that, that's all interesting. It's all information that we can, you

[1:11:51] Voice 1: know, have a look at.

[1:11:56] Voice 10: Okay. Thanks, Nerissa. I see a hand up for a question. Go ahead.

[1:12:01] Voice 3: Yes, thank you, Deborah. So one of them, I'm just really glad Nerissa mentioned,

[1:12:09] Voice 3: because I didn't see it in the list under what work has been done before, is yeah, from 2008 to

[1:12:14] Voice 3: 2010, and there are people here that are on that committee, there was a targeted OCP review. And

[1:12:24] Voice 3: maybe not maybe today but at some point in gathering information um just um what that

[1:12:31] Voice 3: means that that was a targeted review and and and is this a targeted review or the bigger review

[1:12:38] Voice 3: like sometimes those terms mean something around you know how the scope of the review and so that

[1:12:45] Voice 3: year was 2008 to 2011 and that was a targeted review that took a whole term and it still

[1:12:54] Voice 3: rolled into the next term almost totally so even a targeted review took quite a good length of time

[1:13:03] Voice 3: but some of the things that were looked at were like multi-dwelling affordable housing

[1:13:08] Voice 3: and the cycle paths and that was the years that the climate change mitigation and

[1:13:14] Voice 3: action was added into the OCP so the fairly significant work that was done during that term

[1:13:21] Voice 3: So it might be a good one just to go back and do a bit of, you know, historical work on that.

[1:13:32] Voice 3: And then

[1:13:33] Voice 11: I would just...

[1:13:33] Voice 3: If

[1:13:34] Voice 11: I could pause. So Nerissa, how would you like our group to capture that kind of comment?

[1:13:40] Voice 11: Just so that when people are hearing about this, they go, okay, I have another idea, I want to write that down.

[1:13:45] Voice 11: because then we can we can elaborate on this further once we collect the information is it

[1:13:50] Voice 11: enough to just say targeted housing review year what kind of information do

[1:13:55] Voice 3: we need to capture

[1:13:56] Voice 3: today um

[1:13:58] Voice 2: yeah so i mean it would be like like you know what was the targeted targeted housing what

[1:14:03] Voice 2: was the targeted review um focused on um and like do what information was gathered to do that review

[1:14:13] Voice 2: you.

[1:14:14] Voice 11: All right, start writing, please. And if you run out of sticky notes,

[1:14:19] Voice 3: we can give you more. So

[1:14:20] Voice 3: we're just looking at number one first, sort of extracting thoughts from your brain, what work

[1:14:26] Voice 3: maybe we don't know about that has already been done. Renee, I just have a quick question.

[1:14:32] Voice 3: How did we do that from 2008 to 2011 and then beyond? Maybe we could just put the year on.

[1:14:57] Voice 10: of curiosity, who was involved in that? So

[1:15:02] Voice 3: it's Carly and Susan. Okay, great. Institutional

[1:15:08] Voice 3: knowledge.

[1:15:11] Voice 3: Is it possible for those of us who are interested, we all are getting here today, taking time

[1:15:27] Voice 3: of our busy lives um i really want to get to the discussion part but that's what i'm here for

[1:15:33] Voice 3: and i have a lot of my own ideas and ideas i've gathered from other people in the community the

[1:15:40] Voice 3: last 30 years about this that i like to share but nobody needs to hear me sharing for 30 minutes i

[1:15:47] Voice 3: don't feel clear on paper and send it into someone who's going to gather it and then turn around and

[1:15:52] Voice 3: share it back to us and i like to be able to examine critically other people's um suggestions

[1:15:58] Voice 3: so work done before yeah i don't know about work done before but i don't need to explain it to

[1:16:03] Voice 3: everyone here um i'd like to be able to support into a place to be collected and and when you

[1:16:11] Voice 3: want to look and see what same with who do we need to talk to um yes i want to be involved in pre-work

[1:16:18] Voice 3: it over and number three can be done we have a discussion around number three and i'll step back

[1:16:25] Voice 3: um i just want to say i completely agree that we need some sort of centralized data

[1:16:29] Voice 3: that we can access other than like sticky notes and stuff and be able to exchange that information

[1:16:37] Voice 3: you want to speak to how this is going to happen yeah so

[1:16:41] Voice 11: pardon

[1:16:42] Voice 3: me i forget your name

[1:16:43] Voice 11: So what David had explained is our goal for today's session is really like a data dump your ideas

[1:16:52] Voice 3: to write down.

[1:16:53] Voice 3: And so we can place it and talk about what everybody's ideas are.

[1:16:57] Voice 3: And then we can also play another opportunity with different ways.

[1:17:02] Voice 11: Sorry, Felix. Felix. Nerissa, for Felix's question, other ways to provide maybe information that doesn't come through in this way.

[1:17:12] Voice 11: I would suggest to contact you and ERISA

[1:17:15] Voice 3: or myself, or if there's questions through the

[1:17:19] Voice 3: trustees, they can funnel it our way as well, if this is a different way than if there's

[1:17:25] Voice 11: another

[1:17:25] Voice 3: way to do it.

[1:17:26] Voice 3: So I

[1:17:27] Voice 11: would love to, and I think the way we have this plan is to write your ideas down,

[1:17:31] Voice 11: and then we stick them all up and we go and talk about it, summarize it, and then we go

[1:17:36] Voice 11: on to the next question.

[1:17:37] Voice 3: We don't need to go into what the reports are about, necessarily, just because there will be a chance to talk.

[1:17:44] Voice 2: Renee, I would add that I think what we can do is we can send a follow up email with our email addresses that can also be forwarded to other people in the community that may have things to add.

[1:17:55] Voice 2: Yeah,

[1:17:57] Voice 3: I like that too.

[1:17:59] Voice 3: So maybe

[1:18:01] Voice 13: I'll just ask a question more so than

[1:18:04] Voice 9: perhaps Nerissa, because I think the

[1:18:07] Voice 9: suggestion from the gentleman earlier about submitting his thoughts in writing, that this

[1:18:14] Voice 9: process is a collective, whatever mechanisms work for individuals to get information to us,

[1:18:21] Voice 9: and then the risk is going to correlate that and redistribute that as these are all the thoughts

[1:18:27] Voice 9: and then somehow future down the road once we determine that then the discussion on the

[1:18:33] Voice 9: individual items would

[1:18:34] Voice 8: follow and then indeed there would be slow progress towards working

[1:18:40] Voice 8: towards solutions and ultimately

[1:18:42] Voice 13: you got

[1:18:44] Voice 11: it so with that said i'd like to maybe

[1:18:48] Voice 3: have everybody

[1:18:49] Voice 3: I can collect your comments Steven and I can collect your number one that we can go in and put it off before

[1:18:55] Voice 3: The mission yes

[1:18:57] Voice 3: I

[1:19:01] Voice 3: Think it's a context thing there that needs to be

[1:19:05] Voice 3: Centered in this discussion

[1:19:07] Voice 3: The number one question the things have been done as a work in the past

[1:19:11] Voice 3: Any number of us have been involved in direct democracy activities in this community for decades and

[1:19:18] Voice 3: and we can send you that list we don't need to spend time talking about that we've got tons of

[1:19:25] Voice 3: examples the real issue for me today is talking about engagement right what is

[1:19:31] Voice 3: the process that

[1:19:32] Voice 3: we think would be the best process to go forward to engage our community in a meaningful way and

[1:19:39] Voice 3: what i observed this morning was that the typical unstressed structured way of doing things

[1:19:47] Voice 3: really does not open up the field for open discussion and creativity etc and it puts

[1:19:56] Voice 3: people in that kind of defensive mode of groups certainly displaced and so i really would like

[1:20:02] Voice 3: to spend some time talking about what would be how would we like to see our community engaged

[1:20:08] Voice 3: around these issues what resources and tools have we had in the past that have worked and i would

[1:20:13] Voice 3: use things like the direct democracy village vision project which was an exceptional report

[1:20:20] Voice 3: that went to the trust the trust refers to it the igreola county matters project which was a fact

[1:20:27] Voice 3: because there was a housing review going on with the trust a group of people who were on hfc

[1:20:36] Voice 3: agreed that they would reach out to the broader community and not have to go to those channels

[1:20:41] Voice 3: that are seen to be quite descriptive and limiting by many folks in the community.

[1:20:47] Voice 3: It frees up trustees to be observers, to hear, to listen, and to learn, and then take action.

[1:20:55] Voice 3: But we don't center everything around the trustees having to defend or explain.

[1:21:01] Voice 3: We create a vehicle for discourse in the community

[1:21:05] Voice 3: so that we can have these conversations.

[1:21:11] Voice 3: and then we have that public engagement with the trust around which things are going to be taking forward and which things are important.

[1:21:18] Voice 3: And we've done that with so many initiatives in this community and they've worn through, right?

[1:21:24] Voice 3: I know the trust has the housing report from Housing Matters.

[1:21:30] Voice 3: We did massive amounts of survey on things like biodiversity, on what housing needs were around that.

[1:21:38] Voice 3: manage growth and do that around the environment.

[1:21:41] Voice 3: So we have the skills in this community to do it.

[1:21:45] Voice 3: And I think we need that more, not just democratic,

[1:21:49] Voice 3: a more organic approach to engaging people

[1:21:52] Voice 3: around these important conversations

[1:21:55] Voice 3: that don't get as bogged down into the minutiae,

[1:21:57] Voice 3: but keep us at a high enough level

[1:21:59] Voice 3: to get broad policy directions back to the trustees.

[1:22:04] Voice 3: And then they can respond by saying, this is what's doable.

[1:22:07] Voice 3: This is what's not doable. And then we can have further discussions. So I mean, that's just, yeah, totally agree.

[1:22:17] Voice 2: Renee.

[1:22:18] Voice 3: Yes. Yeah,

[1:22:20] Voice 2: I was just wondering if we can capture the names of the people that are are speaking in case we want to follow up on specific points.

[1:22:28] Voice 3: Diane, that's more for me.

[1:22:30] Voice 3: Sorry, what?

[1:22:31] Voice 3: Diane, that's more for me.

[1:22:36] Voice 10: There's just a question when we're back here.

[1:22:38] Voice 10: I don't know if you can find my sister.

[1:22:44] Voice 10: She

[1:22:44] Voice 3: needs to speak.

[1:22:47] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:22:48] Voice 3: Simple request, and that would be,

[1:22:50] Voice 3: my preference would be that we all identify ourselves

[1:22:53] Voice 3: at the beginning of the meeting

[1:22:55] Voice 3: so that we can begin to learn each other's names.

[1:22:57] Voice 3: I just think it would be a far more respectful dialogue

[1:23:00] Voice 3: if we did that.

[1:23:01] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:23:03] Voice 2: um just because we're here at this point in the meeting if you could identify yourself before

[1:23:08] Voice 2: you speak that would be really helpful particularly for me who's back here because if i was there i

[1:23:13] Voice 2: would be trying

[1:23:14] Voice 2: to learn your names during the break so

[1:23:15] Voice 1: my name is

[1:23:17] Voice 1: arden arden cooper thank you

[1:23:25] Voice 3: following up on what diane said about best ways to

[1:23:29] Voice 10: engage um i concur that the

[1:23:38] Voice 3: island's trust

[1:23:39] Voice 3: should let go of the process at least at the beginning um it needs to be a grassroots thing

[1:23:46] Voice 3: and there needs to be a sense of ownership of the process

[1:23:50] Voice 3: and belonging in the process among the community.

[1:23:58] Voice 3: And for very many people, as you've witnessed by the people who left,

[1:24:03] Voice 3: some silently and some not so much,

[1:24:07] Voice 3: that sense of belonging and sense of ownership

[1:24:09] Voice 3: and ultimately a sense of understanding of what we're here for,

[1:24:13] Voice 3: what we can accomplish, what we can't accomplish, what we want to accomplish,

[1:24:17] Voice 3: doesn't exist in a real structural framework right i like i am said i think in the very

[1:24:24] Voice 3: beginning especially here at these types of meetings that the funnel is huge inclusive

[1:24:30] Voice 3: and everyone feels a sense of belonging but first we need to develop a sense of who we are

[1:24:35] Voice 3: and what community actually is before we go out and start telling people how they're going to

[1:24:41] Voice 3: to proceed with planning for the said community.

[1:24:46] Voice 3: So again, broad ownership of the process,

[1:24:51] Voice 3: grassroots instead of top-down,

[1:24:54] Voice 3: development of the project,

[1:24:56] Voice 3: let the Islands Trust stand back for a bit

[1:24:58] Voice 3: and come in when it's necessary in terms of

[1:25:01] Voice 10: nations,

[1:25:07] Voice 3: integrating the legislative necessities

[1:25:11] Voice 3: and other layers of government

[1:25:13] Voice 3: And last, and I really want to show off and listen, is that I can't imagine sitting down with my community and saying, who are we as a community, that that discussion doesn't first make space for our Indigenous friends, neighbors, and owners of this land to define what that process is going to be and what it's going to look like.

[1:25:41] Voice 3: that those friends and neighbors are ones who allow us into the discussion

[1:25:48] Voice 3: of what our community is going to look like, not the other way around.

[1:25:53] Voice 3: And that's extremely important.

[1:25:55] Voice 3: I can't imagine what our community looks like going forward,

[1:26:01] Voice 3: excluding some of our First Nation from our community.

[1:26:05] Voice 3: And we exclude the moment we start to talk about this

[1:26:11] Voice 10: name of community

[1:26:12] Voice 10: community without looking around us and going, where are we?

[1:26:21] Voice 10: What did they make again?

[1:26:22] Voice 10: They've agreed.

[1:26:23] Voice 10: I want to get a copy of that, the Housing Matters,

[1:26:33] Voice 10: that was in the previous one.

[1:26:37] Voice 3: So for documents that are available,

[1:26:41] Voice 3: can we have some sort of common resource that people can access?

[1:26:46] Voice 3: Housing Matters is one that came up to be able to share that.

[1:26:50] Voice 3: That's something we can look at for the project to add some links

[1:26:53] Voice 3: or a place where people can go online and grab them

[1:26:56] Voice 3: or we can provide that ability to do that.

[1:26:59] Voice 3: Yes, for sure.

[1:27:00] Voice 2: I would just add that that is part of our engagement plan.

[1:27:04] Voice 2: You know, that would be part of the engagement plan

[1:27:06] Voice 2: and that's a very, that would be a very useful tool.

[1:27:10] Voice 2: So.

[1:27:15] Voice 3: So just,

[1:27:15] Voice 10: I'm just gonna throw this out

[1:27:17] Voice 3: because Steve said it in my ear.

[1:27:18] Voice 3: That much of that documentation that I have to purchase

[1:27:21] Voice 3: on the Gabriel and Toc's website, right?

[1:27:24] Voice 3: So just Google Gabriel and talks, and you'll get Gabriel and Matters.

[1:27:28] Voice 3: Gabriel and Matters, sorry.

[1:27:29] Voice 3: Gabriel and Matters.

[1:27:30] Voice 3: You'll get the housing, the work, probably a bunch of other things as well.

[1:27:36] Voice 10: And Google Gabriel and Foundation.

[1:27:42] Voice 3: So yeah, my name is Calvin Parker.

[1:27:45] Voice 3: I've been here for almost 15 years.

[1:27:48] Voice 3: In terms of the engagement, I think that we need to have

[1:27:51] Voice 3: an inverse of the newspaper.

[1:27:53] Voice 3: I think sending people to the website is okay.

[1:27:56] Voice 3: to people that are not engaged online.

[1:27:58] Voice 3: But I think in the majority of the population

[1:28:00] Voice 3: on the Adriola, there's a certain age

[1:28:01] Voice 3: that they're not that.

[1:28:04] Voice 3: I think that you want to broaden the whole experience.

[1:28:11] Voice 3: I was here with Steve Slokes when

[1:28:14] Voice 3: we debated that scenario.

[1:28:16] Voice 3: And the only way that there was engagement

[1:28:18] Voice 3: was when the fire went out just before the, what you call,

[1:28:23] Voice 3: the firestorm on the Adriola.

[1:28:25] Voice 3: So I think that, honestly, I think

[1:28:28] Voice 3: but rather

[1:28:28] Voice 1: I think an insert, a

[1:28:29] Voice 3: flyer insert in the sounder

[1:28:31] Voice 3: to even

[1:28:33] Voice 10: more and more flyer delivery.

[1:28:43] Voice 10: So I think what we'll

[1:28:45] Voice 11: do now, Carissa,

[1:28:47] Voice 11: is I'll summarize the comment you heard

[1:28:51] Voice 11: from the first question, what work has

[1:28:52] Voice 3: been done before,

[1:28:53] Voice 3: and I'll ask, have we forgotten anything,

[1:28:57] Voice 3: and we'll keep going through the other questions here.

[1:29:00] Voice 3: I might pull in time as well.

[1:29:02] Voice 3: for break it's quarter

[1:29:04] Voice 11: after 12 17 um we have a scheduled lunch so until 1 30 but i'd like to

[1:29:12] Voice 11: solicit the group

[1:29:13] Voice 3: if you'd like to break for lunch take a bio break we can come back from

[1:29:17] Voice 3: one o'clock or 1 30 one o'clock if

[1:29:21] Voice 11: that's all right and we can keep going in the meantime if

[1:29:24] Voice 11: you have anything burning you want to write on your sticky notes please do that and just go ahead

[1:29:29] Voice 11: can happen because

[1:29:30] Voice 3: then we can continue how does that work for everything that would be so

[1:29:38] Voice 3: maybe we can probably get too far along these are my assumptions okay i have to say that it was an

[1:29:43] Voice 3: outside person

[1:29:44] Voice 8: here but wanting to understand the process that is inclusive of not only people in

[1:29:49] Voice 8: the room but the broader audience and potentially presentations and everybody is that i would assume

[1:29:55] Voice 8: that they will have a project page on the website that although there may be duplication

[1:30:00] Voice 8: that's out in the community, I think it would be helpful

[1:30:02] Voice 8: that if all that information is available to the LTC

[1:30:05] Voice 8: so that people that are observing from outside

[1:30:07] Voice 3: that wanna know what the LTC is doing

[1:30:09] Voice 3: are not left out of the process

[1:30:11] Voice 3: and not knowing what the other information is.

[1:30:14] Voice 3: Assume that all this stuff can be compiled into one place

[1:30:17] Voice 3: so that, one, we can access it in public.

[1:30:21] Voice 11: And I said, do you mind if I throw that over to you

[1:30:24] Voice 11: for the public webpage for us to add information

[1:30:30] Voice 3: for

[1:30:30] Voice 9: this project for

[1:30:31] Voice 3: this project use yeah

[1:30:34] Voice 2: yeah we'll have to have a look at see what's possible

[1:30:36] Voice 2: um um yeah i mean i the the idea is a good one um how how we go about it um will be the thing

[1:30:44] Voice 2: that i'll have to have a dig in and sort out yeah that's what we've

[1:30:50] Voice 3: done on other ldcs

[1:30:51] Voice 3: for projects of this type for best ways to engage can i still add a couple of suggestions

[1:30:59] Voice 3: I'm just mindful we're going to break lunch, we'll come back at one o'clock, but if you have to go after one, you can write it on the sticky note.

[1:31:08] Voice 3: Oh no, I'll do that. Okay, and then we'll go through the rest of the questions, so that we don't forget.

[1:31:15] Voice 3: Okay, so we're going to grab some sandwiches and put them out on a table.

[1:31:20] Voice 3: So, are we

[1:31:22] Voice 3: breaking now or continuing to 12-2?

[1:31:26] Voice 12: I'm going to summarize. Sorry, Narissa. Yes, my bad. I'm like two seconds ahead of you. I'm

[1:31:33] Voice 11: going to summarize. Narissa, do

[1:31:35] Voice 11: you have a question?

[1:31:36] Voice 2: No, I was just going to say, if after you summarize, if you could give me a call on my phone, that would be great.

[1:31:41] Voice 3: Yep, that should.

[1:31:42] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:31:44] Voice 11: So question one. So what's the work that we've done before? We heard the Gabriela Family Report from 2017 by the Gabriela Health and Wellness Collaborative.

[1:31:55] Voice 11: Chamber of Commerce did work on investigation of the light industrial zone, light industry zone.

[1:32:02] Voice 11: Gabriela Talks has hosted many conversations, the Gabriela Health and Wellness Collaborative and community events in summary.

[1:32:09] Voice 11: alternative transportation planning from 2021 what's the role of the work of wilcox wilcox report

[1:32:18] Voice 11: what's the question and how is that involved in this ocp process ocp review 2008 to the 2011

[1:32:27] Voice 11: not just housing also community

[1:32:29] Voice 3: context and other portions dr sandra allison

[1:32:34] Voice 12: 2022 and dr paul

[1:32:37] Voice 12: Hasselbach from 2019

[1:32:40] Voice 11: presentations for both of them to the Gabriela health and

[1:32:44] Voice 11: wellness collaborative and

[1:32:46] Voice 3: in brackets here the medical offices of health work

[1:32:52] Voice 3: done surrounding sign bylaws that

[1:32:57] Voice 11: help give real the health report 2020 that

[1:32:59] Voice 11: was already mentioned I believe cycle path planning 2010 and I will assume

[1:33:05] Voice 11: that's bicycle cycle path planning health and wellness collaborative so mentioned hosted a

[1:33:12] Voice 11: very successful survey existing collaboration between many groups so that's something maybe we'll

[1:33:20] Voice 3: move over to to find out who um village vision strong community input around 2015

[1:33:28] Voice 3: 2015. and then we also have here is the targeted review for the housing already mentioned and the

[1:33:34] Voice 3: housing matters website and really did we miss anything the ocp itself is the legacy document

[1:33:46] Voice 3: especially i point to and since you remember the terrific session that arose

[1:33:56] Voice 3: among the ashes of the world with debacle and that that iteration of the ocp was very

[1:34:04] Voice 3: That's sort of an early draft that was right out of, like, was it sort of a first, what

[1:34:11] Voice 3: were you saying?

[1:34:13] Voice 3: There was, it was a review of the accident OTP at a time that the community was ridden

[1:34:19] Voice 3: and it was a process by the community.

[1:34:23] Voice 3: It became a very healing process and it became a way of rebuilding the community after something

[1:34:31] Voice 3: something very devastating. So the OCP became more of the document that was produced. It

[1:34:40] Voice 3: was evidence of community building and action. It was evidence of healing from ways we hadn't

[1:34:50] Voice 3: been able to agree or plan or make priorities in such a way that they aligned with our principles

[1:34:57] Voice 3: was and also the uh custody because 1997. i think we need to look at ocps from other islands

[1:35:09] Voice 3: and your name was sorry steve interestingly uh the san juan islands has just completed their

[1:35:18] Voice 3: ocp review and they're way differently funded but if you read the introduction to that

[1:35:25] Voice 3: they

[1:35:26] Voice 12: admit that they didn't listen to some members of the community that were speaking

[1:35:31] Voice 12: and so they did this really

[1:35:33] Voice 3: robust community process and came out with a document that is

[1:35:37] Voice 3: amazing like it's clearly community owned and they redesigned it around anyway so that that

[1:35:45] Voice 3: would be one thing i'd like to see if i can speak up sorry this is where yeah if i'm missing

[1:35:52] Voice 3: key words, key thoughts, please

[1:35:54] Voice 3: shout out at me.

[1:35:57] Voice 3: Vanessa Craig, I was just going to say, the Oregon

[1:35:59] Voice 3: has done a lot of work in including

[1:36:00] Voice 3: CREP, so we've done that social needs

[1:36:03] Voice 3: assessment, social needs assessment,

[1:36:05] Voice 3: student level learning,

[1:36:07] Voice 3: aquifer monitoring.

[1:36:10] Voice 3: There's

[1:36:10] Voice 3: quite a range of reports

[1:36:13] Voice 10: that could be

[1:36:15] Voice 10: useful. With regards

[1:36:23] Voice 10: to best

[1:36:23] Voice 6: ways to engage, I

[1:36:25] Voice 6: put an idea for a

[1:36:27] Voice 6: local island internet

[1:36:28] Voice 6: internet last meeting that I think could actually be very useful for that.

[1:36:35] Voice 6: An

[1:36:35] Voice 10: existing local island internet?

[1:36:37] Voice 10: No, it needs to be made.

[1:36:38] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:36:49] Voice 10: Yeah, I did a whole speech on it last night, so I don't want to pick up too

[1:36:52] Voice 3: much time in

[1:36:52] Voice 3: that, but I also wanted to add someone suggested a multi-day kind of island computing, and

[1:37:01] Voice 6: I'm not sure if the Cultivate Festival is happening this year, but if it is, then it

[1:37:06] Voice 6: It seems to me that having like some sort of like established circle during that where people can

[1:37:11] Voice 3: come and sit around where they want and listen and put in their input organically might be a really good way to do that.

[1:37:18] Voice 3: Are there any other interesting events for me before or after life?

[1:37:24] Voice 3: During, yes, existing community events, especially a multi-day thing like the Culver Bay Festival.

[1:37:41] Voice 3: Did we forget anything for question one? Anything else?

[1:37:47] Voice 3: So

[1:37:47] Voice 8: I'm trying to model the behavior, and Peter, the chair,

[1:37:53] Voice 8: want to answer your question about is there anything missing.

[1:37:56] Voice 8: And I apologize

[1:37:56] Voice 9: for my ignorance, but I also have some knowledge.

[1:38:00] Voice 9: And I also have something I'd like to share with you.

[1:38:02] Voice 9: The respect that we've done before, it seems to me that last term,

[1:38:08] Voice 9: there was a lot of discussion and a lot of angst associated with village planning

[1:38:12] Voice 9: planning and the road network that is not conducive to uh support uh alternate modes

[1:38:18] Voice 9: or transport and stuff like that so I I don't know totally where that ended up but I know that it was

[1:38:24] Voice 9: a really problematic conversation about what can we do to improve the village so does somebody in

[1:38:30] Voice 9: the room know where that is or what that should be called or how we would identify that because

[1:38:36] Voice 9: it seems to me that's fundamental to part of it was you talking

[1:38:39] Voice 3: about villagers and stuff yeah

[1:38:42] Voice 9: yeah yeah so that's

[1:38:43] Voice 3: all captured there okay trying to make sure that was so

[1:38:47] Voice 11: maybe a follow question

[1:38:48] Voice 11: was it something that you're hearing or great or to understand was that a good example of us to

[1:38:56] Voice 3: like repeat some of those engagement activities or those converse type ways that we reached out

[1:39:01] Voice 3: and what did you like because we can identify that or i can look back to the village plan

[1:39:07] Voice 3: I

[1:39:07] Voice 13: think there's still we're looking for solutions okay but

[1:39:11] Voice 13: I don't know one

[1:39:13] Voice 3: of the things that we

[1:39:13] Voice 3: did in village vision was to engage the doctors of community planning students from the EIU

[1:39:19] Voice 3: that was very helpful that may be something we can look at here although doing it that way does

[1:39:27] Voice 3: slow things down a lot I'm waiting for their timelines so the design charrettes turnout

[1:39:35] Voice 3: And did that yield a lot of, yeah, they were really well attended and super engaged, yeah.

[1:39:44] Voice 3: So I just want

[1:39:45] Voice 3: to share a thought to me before I let

[1:39:47] Voice 9: my headband go, but I just want to note that in this OCPA LDB work,

[1:39:51] Voice 9: we want to be sure that we're not creating barriers to other work that has been thought about and village development and stuff like that.

[1:39:59] Voice 9: so we want to be able to enable other agencies and activities that do work that will benefit.

[1:40:06] Voice 9: What I want to share with you is, you know, I've done a lot of OCPs, so I think I'm stressed over

[1:40:10] Voice 9: the years, and the most significant one in my mind has been recently up on Laskiti Island,

[1:40:15] Voice 9: and some of you might be familiar with

[1:40:18] Voice 13: that, but what was mentioned here about the community

[1:40:21] Voice 13: owning this process at the

[1:40:22] Voice 9: beginning, that's what happened on Laskiti. The Laskiti Island

[1:40:28] Voice 9: a rate page or so no community association literally grasped this process and said

[1:40:35] Voice 9: we're going to do the work and then when we've done the work about 50 meetings i think they held

[1:40:42] Voice 9: over a year and a half or two years engaging every aspect of the community and then came to

[1:40:48] Voice 9: the odds trust and said this is what we found out and then we took on the responsibility to take

[1:40:53] Voice 9: that into a legislative document doing our own consultation based upon that work but that

[1:41:00] Voice 9: grassroots work was so significant in getting to exactly what you said ownership over a process

[1:41:06] Voice 9: and a plan and that that is sitting there waiting to be endorsed now at this point we're doing for

[1:41:12] Voice 9: the nation's consultation with respect to it which indeed should have happened earlier on

[1:41:16] Voice 9: later and we're getting better at that but this part but just wanted to share that

[1:41:20] Voice 9: are is opportunities that admittedly the trustees have to kind of come to embrace that happens to

[1:41:26] Voice 9: come to embrace that um but there are opportunities to open up that box in terms of this development

[1:41:31] Voice 9: and where the ski island example is a good uh example

[1:41:36] Voice 13: of how that has been i believe to be

[1:41:38] Voice 13: successful go

[1:41:41] Voice 3: ahead and then okay um all right i'm getting what peter has just said and what

[1:41:48] Voice 3: But David Reed said, on top of that, before anything, I think an OCP 101.

[1:41:55] Voice 3: Most people don't know what this is.

[1:41:58] Voice 3: They have no clue.

[1:42:00] Voice 3: You reference an OCP and you reference an LUV, and it kind of plays over.

[1:42:05] Voice 3: And I think we always skip ahead and why there's so few people who actually do engage and why

[1:42:13] Voice 3: you end up in situations like we did this morning being upset with something i actually don't know

[1:42:20] Voice 3: what today is a good day but nobody actually knows what an ocp is or what how it can look

[1:42:32] Voice 3: and how even if they know our ocp we've had this ocp since 1997. i was 19. i'm 47 this year

[1:42:45] Voice 3: that's the only ocp i have experience with and so what else can an ocp look like what is its purpose

[1:42:54] Voice 3: mm

[1:42:54] Voice 7: -hmm

[1:42:56] Voice 3: yeah totally agree are like are they so ocp wtf yeah

[1:43:12] Voice 3: Yeah, just to add on that or just add on, I think it would be really handy for a first time meeting to have a list of the acronyms.

[1:43:24] Voice 3: Yeah, that's my mind here.

[1:43:33] Voice 3: I'd like to piggyback on that and say, maybe we could just say the words.

[1:43:39] Voice 3: Official community plan says a lot. OTP tells me that.

[1:43:43] Voice 3: And if I

[1:43:43] Voice 3: was a random community member, I'd be like, OTP.

[1:43:46] Voice 3: And land use by law tells me what it is.

[1:43:49] Voice 3: It doesn't take that much time, but you can say the words.

[1:43:52] Voice 3: I think maybe we can just say community branch

[1:43:56] Voice 10: or it becomes official.

[1:43:58] Voice 10: Yes.

[1:44:13] Voice 3: I think we need to talk to our DM, to Vanessa, particularly about, well, climate crisis, but also Gabriel's water mapping, aquifer mapping, Gabriel's recharge areas, and that mapping because we are from a stable to a large decline in our aquifer.

[1:44:36] Voice 3: This is really going to impact our OCP, and I do think that the RDN also has a lot of mapping.

[1:44:44] Voice 3: We've had some mapping where the gluten shoulders just come out with the mapping.

[1:44:48] Voice 3: And we need to incorporate all this into our OCP in the future.

[1:44:55] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:44:56] Voice 3: I

[1:44:56] Voice 1: can just briefly add to that.

[1:44:59] Voice 1: Sure.

[1:45:00] Voice 3: We're going to be

[1:45:00] Voice 3: ready for lunch soon, Nerissa, so we just have one more comment.

[1:45:03] Voice 3: But go ahead.

[1:45:06] Voice 11: Go ahead, Nerissa.

[1:45:07] Voice 2: Oh, yeah.

[1:45:08] Voice 2: Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna, I was just gonna add to that, that last comment, and I would say, absolutely needs to be considered. We have, we will have the completed groundwater mapping for Gabriela, and it's, it's quite critical that we consider the community and trustees consider having the water balance assessment done, so that we can understand where water is most vulnerable in the community,

[1:45:37] Voice 2: and the parts where it is least vulnerable so if there's any consideration of additional density

[1:45:42] Voice 2: then that work will be will be a critical part of this uh this ocp process

[1:45:47] Voice 3: okay that's coming for

[1:45:49] Voice 3: lunch um got up to that the whole thing so other islands ocps didn't actually see um i've gathered

[1:45:58] Voice 3: us he didn't wait to get permission from the islands trust before uh student control their

[1:46:04] Voice 3: my ownership of the process they did it and to that i'd like to ask our collaboration like our

[1:46:15] Voice 3: trustees to consider whether they'd be willing to let this go to the community in other words

[1:46:23] Voice 3: back away from it uh it's happened to stevie but the community organized around this discussion

[1:46:30] Voice 3: discuss plans I know we can, and then get technical expertise,

[1:46:37] Voice 3: they get data, central data,

[1:46:41] Voice 3: clearing advice through the trust as we need it,

[1:46:45] Voice 3: but let the community take more in terms of the process

[1:46:47] Voice 3: as we did on the CD.

[1:46:49] Voice 3: And as they did, I have a place to look,

[1:46:54] Voice 3: is First Nations Oaksman people.

[1:46:56] Voice 3: So West Sala, the north end of the island,

[1:46:59] Voice 3: you want to look for what process and engagement in order to process looks like and as carly

[1:47:07] Voice 3: pointed to what else an ocd could be outside of the narrow framework of the legislative box that

[1:47:16] Voice 3: it's in um those kind of examples are really good but the question uh again could we could you let

[1:47:23] Voice 3: goal and give it to the community i believe that their membership would be the advisory

[1:47:28] Voice 3: planning committee could grab a hold of that and find ways of pushing it out to the community

[1:47:33] Voice 3: community agencies the children of the community um what remains would be would be the appropriate

[1:47:41] Voice 3: place to engage with the first nations is for those that are going to operate for individual

[1:47:48] Voice 3: individual community members.

[1:47:49] Voice 3: Thank you for the

[1:47:50] Voice 3: question and for considering

[1:47:51] Voice 11: without the resources.

[1:47:55] Voice 11: I was just going to say the same thing.

[1:47:57] Voice 11: I'm totally good with that, David,

[1:48:00] Voice 11: other than the fact that we have legislative requirements.

[1:48:03] Voice 11: The Liskini one, it's quite delightful,

[1:48:05] Voice 11: but it was collaborative.

[1:48:06] Voice 11: It was between the local trust committee and the community.

[1:48:10] Voice 11: But they took ownership in the way that they,

[1:48:12] Voice 3: when they met, where they met,

[1:48:13] Voice 3: how they met, which is great.

[1:48:16] Voice 3: But we also have a budget to do this and this community needs that money to, you know, have meetings and podcasts, whatever.

[1:48:25] Voice 3: Well, what I'm suggesting actually to the community is to pay the community and save $18,000 to do the high-level data collection and whatnot.

[1:48:37] Voice 3: If I could respond to your question, it's definitely something I would take into consideration.

[1:48:43] Voice 3: The other points that I would want to consider is justice and equity.

[1:48:55] Voice 3: Is this considered a research sort of in community and does there need to be sort of a, what

[1:49:03] Voice 3: parts would benefit from an unbiased arm's length person?

[1:49:07] Voice 3: There may be elements that it's important for community members not to hold.

[1:49:11] Voice 3: I don't know.

[1:49:13] Voice 3: maybe the whole process can be designed by the safety seat maybe we can absolutely let go

[1:49:20] Voice 3: it's really up to the appetite of these two groups that are gathered here today is how invested how

[1:49:26] Voice 3: do you want to be involved in this process and we work from there all about let's fill in the gaps

[1:49:31] Voice 3: maybe so that the abc's decides what do you want to undertake then we go what needs to be held in

[1:49:39] Voice 3: their professional capacity and paid for so that there isn't this perception of it's driven by an

[1:49:45] Voice 3: interest group or a certain segment of Gabriel and because we want trust in the process and if

[1:49:52] Voice 3: that is a truly community-led grassroots process absolutely if that's what you guys think I will

[1:49:58] Voice 3: support that but that's the feedback

[1:50:00] Voice 10: we're looking for today. I think I'm

[1:50:08] Voice 3: involved in a lot of

[1:50:09] Voice 3: volunteers in the community utopia is great but there's also a lot of volunteer burnout

[1:50:14] Voice 3: and a lot of things falling through the cracks because of people saying someone will do it

[1:50:17] Voice 3: so i think you can turn down money and structure you know i think there's a way to use that that

[1:50:25] Voice 3: money and structure and also keep doing practice and i just want to be clear on the side which is

[1:50:33] Voice 3: is it's not dismissing the legitimate role

[1:50:39] Voice 3: of an elected government.

[1:50:41] Voice 3: It doesn't dismiss that.

[1:50:43] Voice 3: It builds the knowledge and draws on

[1:50:48] Voice 3: what residents of Gabriela want to see

[1:50:54] Voice 3: and works with elected officials to implement that.

[1:50:59] Voice 3: And I think those sneaky examples are really lovely.

[1:51:01] Voice 3: you know so it's this is not saying there's not a role for government government has a role and

[1:51:08] Voice 3: so we need to be co-creating and eventually we get to a place where we produce a body of work

[1:51:17] Voice 3: that our elected officials can take and as the ocp or as we spoke

[1:51:26] Voice 3: housing advisory planning commission and the advisory planning commission

[1:51:31] Voice 3: we work with our elected representatives to fine-tune what the resulting official

[1:51:38] Voice 3: community plan document would have so it's a process we're talking about okay one more comment

[1:51:46] Voice 3: We're overmuch telling that the LCP is tethered to the TPS, it's tethered to the RBN, it's tethered to local government, provincial government.

[1:52:02] Voice 3: We do not have the freedom to just go and make up anything we want to.

[1:52:08] Voice 3: We are also tethered to a mandate, which is to preserve and protect.

[1:52:12] Voice 3: And so we're tied to all that.

[1:52:15] Voice 3: So, I mean, we can think about these lovely things, but really, we are limited in what we do.

[1:52:24] Voice 3: I'm going to capture that comment, and then I'll break for lunch.

[1:52:27] Voice 3: So, Stephen, do you want to help me get some lunch out?

[1:52:31] Voice 3: And then there's washrooms behind you here, and we'll meet back at, it is 12.40.

[1:52:40] Voice 3: Can we meet back at 1.10?

[1:52:42] Voice 3: Would that be enough time?

[1:52:45] Voice 3: Then we're going to

[1:52:46] Voice 3: have all the answers.

[1:52:48] Voice 3: with

[1:52:48] Voice 11: Nerissa over the break so what we talked about is after we go through the questions

[1:52:54] Voice 11: we'll give a moment to make sure there's any other information we've not talked about or forgotten

[1:53:00] Voice 11: in regard to these questions and we'll also share how you can reach out to us again if you have

[1:53:07] Voice 11: thoughts after the meeting so I imagine you have a more conversation about it so let's jump into

[1:53:13] Voice 11: the question two if there's no other um no other pieces here that i've forgotten to talk about

[1:53:20] Voice 11: so you know give me a time check sometime about half an hour three o'clock ish so that we can

[1:53:25] Voice 11: have a chance to recap and we're done early we're done early um so who do we need to talk to so

[1:53:32] Voice 11: what we've heard through the conversation we've had this morning is first nations

[1:53:36] Voice 12: friends and

[1:53:37] Voice 12: neighbors the RDN which is the regional district with regards to mapping and reports and I'll be

[1:53:46] Voice 12: mindful to say it the acronyms out loud in long form it'll be a practice for me children planning

[1:53:54] Voice 12: students I put a question mark because I wasn't sure if the conversation meant that as well but

[1:53:59] Voice 12: maybe we'll take a few minutes or if you guys are okay you can speak

[1:54:04] Voice 3: to me and I can capture that

[1:54:05] Voice 3: whatever is your pleasure and comfort to do that. In terms of First Nations, I think that

[1:54:12] Voice 3: it's significant to differentiate between Sinema and other First Nations. The First Nations

[1:54:19] Voice 3: residents, for example, of Adriola. Okay. Do

[1:54:24] Voice 10: you want to say the line?

[1:54:31] Voice 3: Because I think that I've seen all that Sinema because we're in the

[1:54:37] Voice 1: name of territory

[1:54:38] Voice 3: And First Nation residents of Gabriela are different from the name in terms of their relationship to the land.

[1:54:55] Voice 3: So I think that both may have a perspective.

[1:54:59] Voice 3: But I personally take my cues from the name, given that they're not just random neighbors,

[1:55:07] Voice 3: neighbors but their relatives of mine as well so I'm going to be respectful I don't want it

[1:55:13] Voice 11: did that does this capture this um we have your comment

[1:55:18] Voice 3: captured I would

[1:55:19] Voice 10: say First Nation resident

[1:55:20] Voice 10: thank you yes you've got RDN mapping

[1:55:35] Voice 3: as if that's all we need to talk to the RDN about and I think

[1:55:39] Voice 3: there are lots of different things that we need to talk to the RDN about what

[1:55:45] Voice 11: would be some of

[1:55:46] Voice 3: those other things um you can just list a two or three and as you remember you can see that trails

[1:55:57] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:56:00] Voice 3: Well,

[1:56:01] Voice 3: really,

[1:56:03] Voice 3: all of the

[1:56:04] Voice 3: areas during this world.

[1:56:06] Voice 3: you're not

[1:56:07] Voice 3: about

[1:56:10] Voice 8: this.

[1:56:11] Voice 8: So

[1:56:12] Voice 3: we have

[1:56:13] Voice 3: a relationship with your

[1:56:15] Voice 3: transportation that

[1:56:16] Voice 3: you

[1:56:16] Voice 3: can get.

[1:56:18] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:56:20] Voice 3: The White Heart

[1:56:21] Voice 3: Ministry of Transportation.

[1:56:24] Voice 3: And I was going to

[1:56:25] Voice 3: promote it, but I was

[1:56:26] Voice 3: going to get

[1:56:27] Voice 3: All right.

[1:56:30] Voice 3: There is room, you know.

[1:56:32] Voice 3: Yes.

[1:56:33] Voice 3: I was going to add who we need to talk to would certainly be the number of community groups on the island, like nonprofits and charities and associations and a lot of them.

[1:56:47] Voice 3: They all have different expertise, areas of expertise and areas of focus that would be really important to talk to.

[1:56:55] Voice 3: And I would also add, I'm sure this is probably already in the overall scheme, but the Islands Trust Conservancy and whoever, whichever body or voices are with the conservation plan.

[1:57:13] Voice 3: And what kind of non-profit, like who in particular do you think of?

[1:57:20] Voice 3: Well, I mean, we could all probably name 10 easily. I mean, there's so many, but there's, I mean, there's like the area, area, Latin area trails, folks at PHC, people for health and community, there's...

[1:57:37] Voice 3: Do you mind maybe writing something a little bit after this?

[1:57:40] Voice 3: Yeah, I think that would be good to stick you out of the way.

[1:57:43] Voice 3: Yes, just maybe to make it easier. So the Gaviola Health and Wellness

[1:57:49] Voice 3: is one of two large networks on the island.

[1:57:53] Voice 3: I can send you the list, which has all the organizations, 52

[1:57:57] Voice 3: organizations. The other really significant network is

[1:58:01] Voice 3: Sustainable Gaviola. And there's some crossover

[1:58:05] Voice 3: between those two networks. But I would

[1:58:08] Voice 3: say it's more about not who we need to talk

[1:58:13] Voice 3: to but what is it what is a vehicle for us getting information out and getting information back so

[1:58:19] Voice 3: using those two networks they both meet monthly uh the single paper meets last sunday and um

[1:58:28] Voice 3: the collaborative meets last friday of each month so they're a vehicle where you can reach a whole

[1:58:35] Voice 3: whole bunch of people, all at once.

[1:58:37] Voice 3: That's great.

[1:58:38] Voice 3: That's exactly the kind of approach, yeah.

[1:58:42] Voice 3: I would add, do you want to do a lot of health learning?

[1:58:45] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:58:46] Voice 3: And what about the RCMD?

[1:58:48] Voice 3: Yeah, fire department.

[1:58:50] Voice 10: Yeah, maybe this is a collaborative thing.

[1:58:56] Voice 10: You have the fire department?

[1:58:58] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:58:58] Voice 10: Okay, we'll do that next year, in social reform.

[1:59:04] Voice 10: The RCMD as well.

[1:59:06] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:59:13] Voice 10: All right.

[1:59:15] Voice 10: Gabriela, Gage, Frader, Anchorage.

[1:59:22] Voice 3: I'll write the long one first.

[1:59:26] Voice 3: Can you say that again, please?

[1:59:29] Voice 10: Frader, Anchorage.

[1:59:34] Voice 10: Frader?

[1:59:35] Voice 10: Oh yeah, that's a long one.

[1:59:42] Voice 10: And Gab 5?

[1:59:44] Voice 10: That's good.

[2:00:00] Voice 10: Maybe we should ban this if we

[2:00:01] Voice 3: don't want to.

[2:00:02] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:00:04] Voice 3: I don't want to do it.

[2:00:06] Voice 3: That

[2:00:07] Voice 10: would be really helpful.

[2:00:08] Voice 3: How do you know?

[2:00:12] Oh,

[2:00:15] Voice 10: school district and the schools.

[2:00:23] Voice 10: There's only one.

[2:00:25] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:00:27] Voice 10: We

[2:00:27] Voice 3: have a library out there.

[2:00:29] Voice 3: It's one

[2:00:32] Voice 10: of an avenue of engagement.

[2:00:52] Voice 10: I have churches and

[2:01:06] Voice 3: chamber of commerce, yeah, chamber of commerce, business league libraries.

[2:01:10] Voice 3: Do you want to come back to that?

[2:01:14] Voice 3: I don't see anything on here. Sorry.

[2:01:16] Voice 3: I'm trying to model good behavior now.

[2:01:19] Voice 3: Does the RDN look after

[2:01:21] Voice 3: waste management?

[2:01:22] Voice 3: The RDN would, yes.

[2:01:25] Voice 3: So totally, waste management

[2:01:27] Voice 9: is probably

[2:01:27] Voice 10: an item that

[2:01:29] Voice 10: should be under the RDN report.

[2:01:36] Voice 10: Yeah, just in terms of

[2:01:37] Voice 3: making

[2:01:38] Voice 10: sure nobody's upset,

[2:01:39] Voice 3: I would put

[2:01:39] Voice 3: those as examples

[2:01:41] Voice 3: and not related to

[2:01:43] Voice 13: because

[2:01:43] Voice 3: otherwise people are going to

[2:01:45] Voice 3: Oh, I meant the list of organizations, because otherwise we're not included, so we don't want people to sense it.

[2:01:55] Voice 3: Yeah, I second them for all of the four lists.

[2:01:59] Voice 3: So really being creative is just the start.

[2:02:05] Voice 3: Sorry, I'll just go this way. Go ahead.

[2:02:08] Voice 3: Oh, and Deborah, I was just going to wonder about citizen scientists and knowledge keepers on our island.

[2:02:17] Voice 3: Traditionally.

[2:02:18] Voice 10: Like, you know, knowledge keepers, yeah.

[2:02:28] Voice 10: Several knowledge keepers is another poet.

[2:02:38] Voice 10: I'm building on that. The farmer, the man named Koa.

[2:02:42] Have

[2:02:47] Voice 10: you seen that?

[2:02:48] Voice 10: I mean, Koa?

[2:02:49] Voice 10: Peggy, the editor at your talk show.

[2:02:51] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:02:52] Voice 10: I just want to clarify something

[2:02:59] Voice 3: in regards to when you're talking about impersonations

[2:03:03] Voice 3: and you made the distinction about when we were in residence, does that include Métis

[2:03:11] Voice 3: or do you need to say specifically Métis?

[2:03:14] Voice 3: I think it's

[2:03:15] Voice 3: all of that, but I think Métis is definitely going to be good.

[2:03:19] Voice 3: I think so, because we've already seen the sound of the doctor.

[2:03:26] Voice 3: And again, to clarify with that AT resident of Gabriel Island, I

[2:03:44] Voice 10: know maybe

[2:03:44] Voice 3: it would go

[2:03:45] Voice 3: under best ways to engage, but trauma-informed counselors, people who know how to engage

[2:03:53] Voice 3: with people in a trauma-informed lens, can you elaborate on that, just so I understand

[2:04:00] Voice 3: best ways to engage well it's

[2:04:02] Voice 11: a good opportunity

[2:04:03] Voice 3: to talk to and best ways to engage because

[2:04:06] Voice 3: in order to reach 20 people in community who maybe lost trust with authority or with

[2:04:13] Voice 3: processes in general um we have resources of counselors who are starting to actually

[2:04:21] Voice 3: a trauma-informed lens of engaging and working creating safe spaces and that kind of thing so

[2:04:29] So we have that in committee, and I would add

[2:04:33] Voice 3: that to the list of communities to talk to.

[2:04:37] Voice 10: Comment form.

[2:04:54] Voice 10: Would that, for

[2:04:56] Voice 3: those trauma-informed counselors, could that be through the Gabriel and the Health Wellness Collaborative?

[2:05:01] Voice 3: Or could it be

[2:05:02] Voice 10: starting to write short form here?

[2:05:12] Voice 3: Stephen, can you help me decode what I'm reading?

[2:05:17] Voice 3: David Reed, piggybacking on what Olivia said about having both in the states who are allies

[2:05:26] Voice 3: of safety and community.

[2:05:29] Voice 3: So yes, having in the same way that the RCMP is now referring to mental health specialists.

[2:05:37] Voice 3: us about we do this a little example of how a meeting with very intentionally can be taken

[2:05:46] Voice 3: entirely sideways and the community needs to know how to police its own meetings um and many of the

[2:05:53] Voice 3: people in the room are allies of the process so that's that's part of that that's the biggest

[2:05:58] Voice 3: I forgot a word up here.

[2:06:06] Voice 3: There's health and safety, too.

[2:06:08] Voice 3: It's a fairly big thing.

[2:06:09] Voice 3: We want people who feel excluded

[2:06:12] Voice 10: from the biggest portion of the population is involved, I must say.

[2:06:34] Voice 3: I just wanted to say that I took an indigenous allyship workshop with a woman named

[2:06:44] Voice 3: Pokunix Love a few years ago and we had a kind of a jam session on ideas because she just wanted to

[2:06:51] Voice 3: move into a mentorship role and also she may be with other um people who do that sort of work and

[2:07:00] Voice 3: so there may be an opportunity for um mentoring for people who or like you know the whole

[2:07:07] Voice 3: organization who require you know some kind of getting up to speed or you know how do i approach

[2:07:13] Voice 3: the thing respectfully um someone to ask questions of that would be a resource specifically for that

[2:07:20] Voice 11: That's great. Can you write that on a sticky note, like her name, if you ever think we met?

[2:07:25] Voice 11: And then I can do that.

[2:07:26] Voice 3: I know who loves to hear.

[2:07:28] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:07:28] Voice 3: There

[2:07:29] Voice 11: is it. It's back online.

[2:07:30] Voice 11: So, hi, there is. I just wanted to recognize her back.

[2:07:33] Voice 11: And then we're on question two.

[2:07:36] Voice 11: Who do we need to talk to?

[2:07:38] Voice 11: And we're talking about being inclusive.

[2:07:41] Voice 3: So, we're going to send one.

[2:07:46] Voice 3: Cheers.

[2:07:47] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:07:49] Voice 3: This is actually your best way of engaging.

[2:07:52] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:07:52] Voice 3: I was thinking that what we should do is if we have a formal way of putting in place

[2:08:02] Voice 3: the respectful way we engage in the meeting, if that's front and center,

[2:08:08] Voice 3: this is our particular statement, that that would

[2:08:11] Voice 10: help to move the process along.

[2:08:15] Voice 10: Great.

[2:08:16] Voice 10: Did I capture that?

[2:08:34] Voice 10: Like the guidelines, for example.

[2:08:38] Voice 3: you're not going to attach maybe like a word or a thing to this it's just trying to catch

[2:08:43] Voice 3: you

[2:08:43] Voice 8: could use another piece of paper too oh

[2:08:46] Voice 3: yes kind of bridging the gap i think we're headed

[2:08:49] Voice 3: with the inclusive we're headed towards engagement but i think one copy of groups

[2:08:54] Voice 3: and general engagement we should go to where people are and that affects them

[2:08:59] Voice 3: and become a meeting director

[2:09:00] Voice 3: if that's not something they're comfortable with.

[2:09:03] Voice 3: Like, I'm meeting kind of the same people

[2:09:05] Voice 3: in the equity event with groceries and stuff.

[2:09:10] Voice 3: So, and I can ask you to keep in mind

[2:09:12] Voice 3: that if you don't have a mailing address,

[2:09:14] Voice 3: your cell phone,

[2:09:17] Voice 3: you don't feel comfortable in a formal meeting structure.

[2:09:20] Voice 3: So if you start conversations with people where they're at,

[2:09:23] Voice 3: be that a parenting group,

[2:09:25] Voice 3: or a social event,

[2:09:27] Voice 3: or those, yeah,

[2:09:28] Voice 3: Yeah, so depending on how we approach the groups and people.

[2:09:44] Voice 10: Stephen, you've already got Sustainable Gabriola down,

[2:09:47] Voice 8: but the part of Sustainable Gabriola

[2:09:49] Voice 8: is called Climate 12.

[2:09:50] Voice 8: 12 is a year-long project looking

[2:09:53] Voice 8: at the effects of climate change and how it affects Gabriola.

[2:09:57] Voice 8: But it continues into the summer,

[2:09:59] Voice 8: but we've just applied for some more funding to extend it.

[2:10:03] Voice 8: And it occurs

[2:10:03] Voice 3: to me that we could

[2:10:07] Voice 3: to make a focus of distilling the results of this project

[2:10:12] Voice 3: into its implications for the official community plan.

[2:10:18] Voice 11: Renee, it's actually climate

[2:10:20] Voice 3: health 1212 events

[2:10:23] Voice 3: or maybe group, it's not one report yet.

[2:10:28] Voice 3: But it's an excellent event.

[2:10:30] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:10:30] Voice 3: I was just gonna ask.

[2:10:31] Voice 3: Well,

[2:10:32] Voice 4: I have the floor.

[2:10:34] Voice 3: There is

[2:10:35] Voice 4: a climate 1212 event this evening

[2:10:36] Voice 4: at 6 30

[2:10:38] Voice 3: at ground up and it's on the health and mental health implications

[2:10:45] Voice 11: ideas

[2:10:46] Voice 12: conversations

[2:10:47] Voice 12: happening

[2:10:48] Voice 3: of climate change can i get you back and speak should i what i do want yes yes okay

[2:10:58] Voice 3: um so here's like talking about the best ways to engage the beautiful thing about here here

[2:11:05] Voice 3: with 12-12-12 is it recognizes that people are worried about the climate crisis so what they do

[2:11:14] Voice 3: is they frame things in three ways first of all they do part of the presentation that talks about

[2:11:18] Voice 3: the issue and the frank you know realities of the issue they do it by topic so the night itself

[2:11:24] Voice 3: it was transportation it was economy it was we've done all these different things we then eat

[2:11:32] Voice 3: and then they talk about what are we doing that's working then they open it up to the room

[2:11:39] Voice 3: to say what else can we be doing so people leave there having information and knowledge they didn't

[2:11:45] Voice 3: have before and they leave feeling empowered that they can do something i think it's a wonderful

[2:11:50] Voice 3: model for community engagement because it's based on the idea of you share knowledge and information

[2:11:58] Voice 3: So it's all part of the level planning field,

[2:12:01] Voice 3: but then you bring it on

[2:12:04] Voice 3: and then you're coming up with new ideas, right?

[2:12:08] Voice 3: So anyway, I think it's simply a beautiful model

[2:12:12] Voice 3: and I'm so excited to try it.

[2:12:16] Voice 1: I have a question.

[2:12:19] Voice 1: Go ahead and raise that.

[2:12:21] Voice 1: Who would be the main contact for that project?

[2:12:26] Voice 1: Steven Arrow.

[2:12:28] Voice 1: Thanks.

[2:12:32] Voice 3: That's for the, who do we need to talk to? The Agricultural and Agriculture Department.

[2:12:38] Voice 3: There's me. I purposefully didn't say anything.

[2:12:44] Voice 3: I just don't want to forget all the words.

[2:12:48] Voice 3: This is my facilitator brain.

[2:12:51] Voice 3: For best ways to engage, I would like to encourage also a way to engage into public meeting.

[2:12:57] Voice 3: Personally, I would never go to a public meeting about the OCP.

[2:13:01] Voice 3: I've been to a few. They're quite traumatizing.

[2:13:04] Voice 3: I probably will never go again, I, this was this I thought would be a little more controlled and and so maybe one way that wasn't going to be a community conversation.

[2:13:22] Voice 10: I'm just going

[2:13:23] Voice 10: to write it, try to put it before actually Gabriel talks started

[2:13:32] Voice 3: on the island I didn't have any confidence that the community could engage in conversation appropriately, I've lived here for a long time.

[2:13:40] Voice 3: it takes a lot of fortitude so i'd like to thank gabriel talks for actually proving that you can

[2:13:45] Voice 3: but it doesn't actually change the fact that i probably won't go

[2:13:52] what happens

[2:13:54] Voice 10: when the voice of reason doesn't turn out to be really

[2:13:57] Voice 10: my own words here but um you can go in and tell me that's a lot of other ways to get together

[2:14:18] Voice 10: and discuss i

[2:14:20] Voice 3: .e non-public meetings emotional contentious

[2:14:23] Voice 3: and saying that you can afford to provide feedback on the process that's not at all for them and

[2:14:28] Voice 3: i'm going to interrupt here the school district just went is going through a process with

[2:14:37] Voice 3: trying to deal with capacity at ndss and i'm with a secondary school um and they're using

[2:14:43] Voice 3: the thought exchange before that type of engagement they i don't know if it's other

[2:14:52] Voice 3: other organizations use it i've seen it used poorly in the past where virtually no comments

[2:14:57] Voice 3: get made but in this particular thing there has been i think they said over 400 comments

[2:15:04] Voice 3: and then you can upvote or downvote those comments um if it's it is really easy for it to not be used

[2:15:12] Voice 3: but in this particular lens right now the thought exchange has been really valuable

[2:15:19] Voice 10: and there are no ones and ndss

[2:15:31] Voice 3: is and i'm a district school

[2:15:33] Voice 3: and i was going to go high school

[2:15:36] Voice 3: yeah

[2:15:40] Voice 10: i'm circling back um

[2:15:44] Voice 3: yeah thanks i think what i'm thinking when i'm thinking about who

[2:15:48] Voice 3: we need to talk to you know the people that we don't have any trouble talking to are people of

[2:15:53] Voice 3: privilege right who have an interest because they're property owners and so they should

[2:16:00] Voice 3: We all have a voice here, but I would like to think about how we reach people whose lives are impacted by decisions that, you know, by the framing of the official community plan and the land use by us, and who's, when we go out to talk to them, we talk to them, we make the mistake of talking to them through our lens of need.

[2:16:22] Voice 3: we need your input on the official community plan but we what i would like to think is we have

[2:16:29] Voice 3: one in 63 gay villains who are homeless i would like to think that we could create a process

[2:16:37] Voice 3: where we tell we ask them to tell us what is important for that about

[2:16:45] Voice 3: things that affect their enjoyment their livelihood their enjoyment their ability to

[2:16:51] Voice 3: to survive on this island, that the local trust community

[2:16:55] Voice 3: has some underpinning to be really important.

[2:16:58] Voice 3: And it's gonna take some very subtle training

[2:17:01] Voice 3: in order to do that.

[2:17:03] Voice 3: But I think the worst thing we could possibly do

[2:17:05] Voice 3: is go out and host a potluck meal

[2:17:09] Voice 3: with the best of which are the most of the meal,

[2:17:11] Voice 3: because food is good.

[2:17:13] Voice 3: But then ask them, what do you think

[2:17:15] Voice 3: about the official community plan?

[2:17:16] Voice 3: We need to host the meal and say,

[2:17:18] Voice 3: say, tell us, here's some things that we have some control over.

[2:17:22] Voice 3: Oh, it's not just like two, it might be like some different, right?

[2:17:26] Voice 3: So we really need to get, to meet people where they're at.

[2:17:30] Voice 3: That's kind of what I was saying, there are meals like that.

[2:17:33] Voice 3: There's, GMT has a Tuesday lunch that's been getting out for people, and I would, I mean,

[2:17:38] Voice 3: I help organize that, and I would love to have those kind of thoughts.

[2:17:41] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:17:41] Voice 10: About whatever.

[2:17:44] Voice 3: so hearing

[2:17:45] Voice 11: from nurses and hearing this opportunity with our members here to tap

[2:17:51] Voice 11: into some of these groups when we ask these open-ended questions throughout the process

[2:17:58] Voice 3: i just wanted to really appreciate the previous speakers coming out of non-public meetings

[2:18:03] Voice 3: i also

[2:18:04] Voice 3: attended about 23 years ago the first meeting on first nations engagement at the

[2:18:09] Voice 3: and it's only 23 years later and coming down to the

[2:18:13] Voice 3: public forum because they are truly

[2:18:18] Voice 3: traumatizing I think surveys or whatever yes I just I totally

[2:18:23] Voice 10: support that I

[2:18:29] Voice 3: find your hand

[2:18:30] Voice 3: yeah I don't see on the first list but we did reference the work done before but the

[2:18:35] Voice 3: the people who were really involved in the first OCP review um and so maybe by extension

[2:18:43] Voice 3: those that have a vision for this community

[2:18:48] Voice 3: that is sort of embedded in that context.

[2:18:51] Voice 3: And if there isn't a process that allows those voices

[2:18:55] Voice 3: to come out in a respectful way,

[2:18:57] Voice 3: and could really take us back there,

[2:19:00] Voice 3: or it could be very divisive,

[2:19:03] Voice 3: because then it turns into an old residents

[2:19:06] Voice 3: versus new residents battle.

[2:19:08] Voice 3: This was the vision from 97,

[2:19:10] Voice 3: and this is our vision 20 years from today,

[2:19:12] Voice 3: that you seem like it reconciles all the truths or realities,

[2:19:17] Voice 3: how to support a process that will allow those voices

[2:19:21] Voice 3: that will come out, but what is the avenue,

[2:19:25] Voice 3: like, even this morning, like, so that there isn't

[2:19:27] Voice 3: frustration and it was a co-op process

[2:19:30] Voice 3: of what's happening at streams.

[2:19:32] Voice 3: Good, so, I'm gonna throw this product

[2:19:34] Voice 11: to Narissa.

[2:19:37] Voice 11: I feel like this might go into a what else category

[2:19:40] Voice 11: where we capture, you know, the idea of OCP 101,

[2:19:46] Voice 11: what is it, what's the purpose,

[2:19:47] Voice 11: and capture some of the historical,

[2:19:50] Voice 11: what was done in the past as well, right?

[2:19:53] Voice 11: Sort of as we lay this sort of groundwork or framework.

[2:19:57] Voice 11: Anything there, Nerissa, that possible, yes?

[2:20:02] Voice 2: Yeah, I mean, I like this idea, Renee.

[2:20:05] Voice 2: It does sound like a sort of an OCP 101,

[2:20:08] Voice 2: one um whatever that might be some kind of communications piece that uh that can speak

[2:20:13] Voice 2: to what the ocp process is about sounds like it might be a useful um tool um and uh and then i

[2:20:22] Voice 2: you know my mind just keeps coming back to like um you know there are going there are sort of

[2:20:29] Voice 2: what what needs to be determined is what are the sort of the conversation buckets essentially and

[2:20:36] Voice 2: And then drawing in, you know, approaching the people that have, engaging the people who have the lived experience with those, you know, on a variety of levels in the ways that it makes sense to engage them.

[2:20:53] Voice 2: And again, I think there's, you know, it'll be about identifying where in the process that we do that.

[2:21:02] Voice 2: so um uh and i think we're sort of speaking to what what the engagement process will look like

[2:21:09] Voice 2: so um i think this is all all very very useful conversation

[2:21:13] Voice 1: and

[2:21:16] Voice 3: i'm going to go this way

[2:21:17] Voice 3: hi um so

[2:21:20] Voice 6: speaking to what you said about um the consulting vulnerable um or disadvantaged

[2:21:25] Voice 6: community members as well i want to make a point that there can be ways in which it can be done

[2:21:32] Voice 6: which actually increased the debt disadvantage and vulnerability and I want to bring up an

[2:21:37] Voice 6: anecdote where um around the time that the targeted housing review was done um I believe

[2:21:44] Voice 6: it was the the PHC was um handing out um information sheets a survey for people to fill

[2:21:52] Voice 6: out um asking what sort of living conditions they were in you know whether they had a proper

[2:21:56] Voice 6: bathroom and a proper kitchen and all of this sort of thing and these surveys were filled out with

[2:22:02] Voice 6: their names and addresses as far as i understand it and shortly after that there was a space of

[2:22:10] Voice 6: anonymous calls into the bylaw office and many many of those houses many many of those residents

[2:22:17] Voice 6: became homeless because they were told they weren't allowed to live there anymore

[2:22:23] Voice 3: Can I, because this is pretty central to the work that Steve and I and Toby has done in the past around passing, when we did our survey where we did take surveys to GHC, but nowhere were people asked to put their name.

[2:22:40] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:22:40] Voice 3: They would have numbers.

[2:22:43] Voice 3: They were anonymous?

[2:22:43] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:22:44] Voice 3: They were anonymous.

[2:22:45] Voice 7: We

[2:22:45] Voice 3: didn't have the numbers so that we could make sure we didn't enter the points.

[2:22:49] Voice 3: So we knew nothing about it.

[2:22:51] Voice 3: Okay, well this

[2:22:51] Voice 6: was a coincidence that I noticed happening because I knew those surveys were happening, and then I, you know, talked to a lot of people who had filled out those surveys who had bylaw complaints phoned in on their trailer or shed or whatever that they were living in, and suddenly they didn't have a trailer or shed to live in anymore.

[2:23:09] Voice 6: So that information can be used to people's disadvantage for already disadvantaged people. And so I just

[2:23:16] Voice 10: wanted to bring that up.

[2:23:16] Voice 10: that's a very interesting so it seems appropriate to me that you might want to add to

[2:23:24] Voice 8: the who you

[2:23:24] Voice 8: need to talk to list builders and contractors and the best way to engage with those folks

[2:23:31] Voice 8: having done it is invite them for lunch

[2:23:52] Voice 3: Yeah,

[2:24:11] Voice 10: again, I think that's the

[2:24:12] Voice 3: biggest part of the OCP process for us, is that we don't

[2:24:17] Voice 3: be the same to me if everything that's not this strict requirements of the legislative job

[2:24:24] Voice 3: in other words what else and um um the friends were speaking to me here about about um

[2:24:33] Voice 3: giver will be a difficult place to dialogue to find respectful places and safe places to

[2:24:42] Voice 3: our discussion um it's tricky all right um but part of the process can also be thought of as

[2:24:52] Voice 3: growing the community growing capacity in the community um healing old wounds in the community

[2:25:00] Voice 3: um these kind of things all these skills to actually be in community and so

[2:25:10] Voice 3: So to be in community brings me back to Toby's point.

[2:25:15] Voice 3: I was trying to find him on the board there.

[2:25:20] Voice 3: I'll be able.

[2:25:22] Voice 3: People with lived experience, which, yes,

[2:25:28] Voice 3: one of the ways people feel they all belong,

[2:25:31] Voice 3: part of the conversation is someone that's lived here all their life

[2:25:34] Voice 3: says, hey, you've only lived here a year.

[2:25:37] Voice 3: Stay out of my community conversation.

[2:25:39] Voice 3: Wait until you've been here 10 years.

[2:25:42] Voice 3: I became part of this community when I joined the OCP conversation in 1997, where we felt like I belonged once I got stuck into it.

[2:25:50] Voice 3: But a lot of people don't feel they belong anywhere, so your point, Felix, about finding ways.

[2:25:57] Voice 3: See, at the end of the day, I look around and ask people, what does it claim to belong in this community other than being on this side of the road?

[2:26:07] Voice 3: Why do I ask it? Because my business friends ask me all the time.

[2:26:11] Voice 3: Well, what's their claim to belonging here, right?

[2:26:14] Voice 3: So what's the claim to belonging of a 50-year residence compared to a one-year residence?

[2:26:19] Voice 3: What's the claim to belonging of a settler occupying a growing mindset?

[2:26:25] Voice 3: We're going to

[2:26:25] Voice 3: buy just a settler compared to a person of Asian ancestry or a person who's been there for 17,000 years.

[2:26:35] Voice 3: We all have to ask ourselves this question of belonging to me.

[2:26:39] Voice 3: That is the most brilliant and meaningful part of why we have OCP discussion,

[2:26:44] Voice 3: so that we actually form community and start living in community

[2:26:48] Voice 3: and stop excluding people from our community

[2:26:51] Voice 3: and find ways of belonging in community instead of finding ways of being excluded.

[2:26:57] Voice 3: And the typical ways of engagement with community exclude large portions of the community.

[2:27:04] Voice 3: The typical space for dialogue with many Facebook, right?

[2:27:08] Voice 3: It's set up to tear us apart.

[2:27:12] Voice 10: That's it for my survey.

[2:27:17] Voice 3: And I think I'll pause just for a minute here to see,

[2:27:21] Voice 3: because I feel like I'm going to be talking to my right.

[2:27:24] Voice 3: I don't know what else to add.

[2:27:27] Voice 3: So perhaps we could make

[2:27:30] Voice 11: sure we get to question four.

[2:27:33] Voice 11: Maybe just capture the,

[2:27:35] Voice 12: I saw two, three other hands.

[2:27:37] Voice 12: And then we'll

[2:27:37] Voice 3: jump to question four,

[2:27:38] Voice 3: and then we'll we'll summarize okay yes um i just wanted to um comment on something else

[2:27:53] Voice 3: otherwise i'm certainly going to have them in the museum and then um we were figuring out

[2:28:00] Voice 3: uh the thank yous and one of the people we thank was some of what i call the clinical elder a white

[2:28:07] Voice 3: person who's an elder and that does not a lot of work so just picking up on david's point i think

[2:28:12] Voice 3: there there are people um who are doing good work on the island and are are white people's elders

[2:28:24] Voice 3: and um i think it's important to recognize that um they're not committed necessarily they're

[2:28:32] Voice 3: one of those people, you can recognize him, a lot of these ones, that was a nice question.

[2:28:40] Voice 3: Sure, yeah. And, um,

[2:28:45] Voice 3: Arnith, can you spell that for me, I think?

[2:28:51] Voice 3: Well, I can spell it, Q-W

[2:28:55] Voice 10: -A-N-D-E-U-M, yeah, okay.

[2:29:03] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:29:04] Voice 10: Oh

[2:29:05] Voice 3: yeah, I think there are some people

[2:29:09] Voice 3: who show up to a space or a conversation saying,

[2:29:12] Voice 3: yes, everyone needs to know what I have to say,

[2:29:15] Voice 3: everyone believes in what I have to say,

[2:29:16] Voice 3: it's important that some people don't show up

[2:29:19] Voice 3: feeling that way.

[2:29:20] Voice 3: So I think we need to,

[2:29:21] Voice 3: I wanna think of ways of engaging,

[2:29:23] Voice 3: we need to think about starting conversations

[2:29:25] Voice 3: with people who don't feel comfortable

[2:29:26] Voice 3: sharing their thoughts,

[2:29:27] Voice 3: but they don't see why we want them

[2:29:29] Voice 3: or what good it will do.

[2:29:31] Voice 3: and i think that falls into the ocp 101 as well it's like especially young people i think there

[2:29:36] Voice 3: are young people on the island want to leave i was i grew up here and i ran away so i think

[2:29:43] Voice 3: 17 and someone comes to me and asks me why what do you want

[2:29:56] Voice 3: We'll need some.

[2:30:00] Voice 3: trust-building and confidence-building as to, yeah, you can tell something and something good can happen with it, but that doesn't happen overnight.

[2:30:15] Voice 10: Yeah, like we might need to show up to an event several times before people feel comfortable sharing.

[2:30:20] Voice 10: Sharon, do you

[2:30:28] Voice 1: want to put this?

[2:30:29] Voice 10: I'm just going to put it here.

[2:30:41] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:30:41] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:30:42] Voice 3: It's Deborah.

[2:30:43] Voice 3: And just to capture something that was said earlier before,

[2:30:48] Voice 3: and this probably fits under what else,

[2:30:51] Voice 3: is just a reminder to put somewhere the,

[2:30:57] Voice 3: it's almost like Trans Policy Day 101,

[2:31:00] Voice 3: just so that that isn't lost because people,

[2:31:03] Voice 3: you know, some background on that

[2:31:06] Voice 3: and where we're at with it is probably important.

[2:31:10] Voice 3: And then just under, I'll just let you write that out.

[2:31:15] Voice 3: And the other one might be under work done before.

[2:31:19] Voice 3: It hasn't been mentioned specifically,

[2:31:22] Voice 3: and with the idea of the trust council

[2:31:26] Voice 3: having adopted the declaration,

[2:31:28] Voice 3: the reconciliation declaration,

[2:31:31] Voice 3: you know, what does that say?

[2:31:33] Voice 3: and the declaration on the climate

[2:31:35] Voice 10: emergency cap.

[2:31:37] Voice 10: Totally important.

[2:31:42] Voice 10: So these are documents or

[2:31:44] Voice 3: ways to recognize

[2:31:45] Voice 3: that this is something the NRA has tried to add.

[2:31:49] Voice 3: Well, these declarations do exist.

[2:31:52] Voice 3: So they sort of commit us to...

[2:31:56] Voice 3: It's not really a patent, but...

[2:31:58] Voice 3: I was

[2:31:58] Voice 3: going to say that UNDRIP is actually a

[2:32:01] Voice 8: different

[2:32:02] Voice 13: topic.

[2:32:03] Voice 8: The declaration, the Council's declaration is to support that limitation of 100 or 105

[2:32:12] Voice 8: as is also adopted

[2:32:15] Voice 3: by the province.

[2:32:17] Voice 3: Now, without our protocol agreement with Sonoma, which is from 2009 and probably could be updated

[2:32:24] Voice 3: it's a piece of work but it does lay out a framework for engagement

[2:32:31] Voice 10: yes

[2:32:39] Voice 3: um so one of the things that i think happens when we try to engage about something that is

[2:32:47] Voice 3: actually very structural and marissa did a great job oh by the way it's diane speaking

[2:32:53] Voice 3: marissa did a great job laying out you know how the policy statement fit over and what happens

[2:33:04] Voice 3: So what I would say is, in terms of engagement, if we could just do the OCP 101, but at a very high level, and actually focus the discussion before we get into the bundles of topics on this, what is your vision for Gaviola, right?

[2:33:25] Voice 3: And then out of that, there'll be some things that are extraneous, right?

[2:33:30] Voice 3: And we'll have to say that to people, you know, not everything will fit under the mandate.

[2:33:34] Voice 3: But when you start to think out of what people envision is things that would actually fit within those different aspects of the local trust committee's policy mandate and its responsibilities.

[2:33:47] Voice 3: Then you actually know where people want to go, where they want the community to go.

[2:33:52] Voice 3: and then you can ask yourself as the as a planning organization what what could we do

[2:33:59] Voice 3: with our official community plan what can we do with our land use bylaws that would take us in

[2:34:05] Voice 3: that direction and then the next conversation is what are the implications of doing that work

[2:34:11] Voice 3: how would it work who would it affect what would the results be so we start we start by engaging

[2:34:17] Voice 3: engaging people by investing in what their passion is,

[2:34:20] Voice 3: what they really see going as a community,

[2:34:23] Voice 3: rather than dive it into the weeds,

[2:34:26] Voice 3: which just is not necessarily a good thing.

[2:34:29] Voice 3: And then to play back if I may onto that,

[2:34:33] Voice 3: but framing it as a positive affirming question

[2:34:37] Voice 3: in terms of like your vision,

[2:34:39] Voice 3: it actually takes

[2:34:40] Voice 12: us out of any of the toxic discourse

[2:34:44] Voice 12: and the stuff from the past that would just remind us,

[2:34:47] Voice 12: oh god i'm not going into that yeah you know it's like well what is because the ocp is about 20

[2:34:54] Voice 12: years into the future so and that also may help us answer the question of who are we now so sort

[2:35:00] Voice 12: of an identity and a values discussion and

[2:35:03] Voice 10: then visions of the future yeah i jumped in there nice

[2:35:11] Voice 10: i am

[2:35:15] Voice 3: very much high

[2:35:18] Voice 11: level um paraphrasing so if i didn't capture this in the very

[2:35:23] Voice 11: brief two bullet points and arrows. Write that down on the

[2:35:26] Voice 3: sticky and I'm going to

[2:35:27] Voice 3: write it down. This is the revision, I'll write it down. I got vision.

[2:35:33] Voice 3: It's all about it, okay.

[2:35:35] Voice 11: I saw a sticky under question two. Who do we need to talk to?

[2:35:43] Voice 3: Pelicaniques Love.

[2:35:44] Voice 11: Pelicaniques Love,

[2:35:46] Voice 3: heart-to-heart Indigenous relations consultation. Is that a group? It's one woman's business right

[2:35:54] Voice 3: now but um like i said she's the one who i'm thinking is focusing on mentoring but she's

[2:35:58] Voice 3: also done like corporate consultations and governance and that was individual and trauma

[2:36:04] Voice 3: so she is experienced in that sort of coaching as well as like having a network of people who are

[2:36:11] Voice 3: also experienced great thank you okay yes um i guess this is four or else what else is anything

[2:36:18] Voice 3: I'm thinking that what we also should be cognizant of is re-visioning, like, we're doing this now and there's a lot of new stuff.

[2:36:26] Voice 3: But I think that when we speak about being 20 years down the road, we should be thinking that we should be cognizant of the fact that we're going to evolve this process.

[2:36:36] Voice 3: It's not going to be static. I think. And we started.

[2:36:42] Voice 3: So as part of the purpose, or as part of the 101, or the OSAP 101, or a separate, it's a separate thing.

[2:36:54] Voice 3: Maybe how you want to be involved in the framework would be being aware that there's more work to be done out here.

[2:37:03] Voice 10: It seems to be all finished, but we have three years to go.

[2:37:17] Voice 10: I'd like to throw this out I have a thought to

[2:37:31] Voice 3: add to that in terms of how do we know how we're

[2:37:36] Voice 3: doing how do we know what we're achieving when we talk about evolving or revisioning

[2:37:42] Voice 3: and I'll throw that out to Nerissa to add them for a minute before we jump to addition four

[2:37:47] Voice 12: part of an OCP or efficient community plan

[2:37:50] Voice 12: on

[2:37:51] Voice 11: the back end when we get all technical in our

[2:37:53] Voice 11: planner speak we call it monitoring and evaluation how are we doing in achieving the things we said

[2:38:01] Voice 11: we want to work on in our community plan whether they're events conversations we're going to work

[2:38:07] Voice 11: harder on specific aspects for climate change for housing there's a part in the ocp where we

[2:38:14] Voice 11: then report back and we we have that conversation but we're continuously um trying to achieve some

[2:38:22] Voice 11: of these goals right yeah so i don't have anything to add to that nurse i think the idea is it's hard

[2:38:29] Voice 11: to do because we're always chasing after the next update so sometimes it's difficult to just stay in

[2:38:34] Voice 11: that spot and evaluate how

[2:38:37] Voice 3: we do it um yeah

[2:38:40] Voice 3: the

[2:38:41] Voice 2: one the one thing that i'm thinking about is um

[2:38:44] Voice 2: you know some of this conversation is sort of beyond the ocp and so i'm thinking as part of

[2:38:50] Voice 2: the ocp process there may we may want to think about um whether the community wants to engage in

[2:38:55] Voice 2: a in a in a con like a broader conversation about um you know issues and interests in the in you

[2:39:01] Voice 2: know in the community and um and and then we can you know identify which belong in the ocp box and

[2:39:07] Voice 2: which belong um you know to other other processes um just something just putting that out for

[2:39:13] Voice 1: for something to think about.

[2:39:23] Voice 3: Okay, how do I want to be involved in the pre-work?

[2:39:26] Voice 6: So I mentioned that last meeting,

[2:39:29] Voice 6: I proposed an idea for a local island internet

[2:39:31] Voice 6: that is autonomous from the big outside internet,

[2:39:35] Voice 6: especially public platforms.

[2:39:38] Voice 6: And so that is like a big passion of mine,

[2:39:41] Voice 6: but one, it involves collating all of the data

[2:39:46] Voice 6: of the organizations and what is happening with them and as well as like individual resource

[2:39:51] Voice 6: exchange and how that interfaces with our geography and our environmental needs and

[2:40:00] Voice 3: it's also intended to be like functional dynamic community communication platform where people

[2:40:13] Voice 3: would be able to talk in a manner that you're we're

[2:40:16] Voice 6: talking about here and be able to see all

[2:40:18] Voice 6: of the data and resources and things that's happening on the island and we don't have

[2:40:24] Voice 6: anything like that we have mostly facebook um and it is designed to be a conflict mill

[2:40:34] Voice 6: we don't have any way to like refer back to prior conversations see what has been said

[2:40:39] Voice 6: see what is working and iterate those processes and actually learn to collaborate in a communication

[2:40:46] Voice 6: process at the community so that is

[2:40:48] Voice 3: my sort of point of how i want to be involved in the pre-work

[2:40:52] Voice 3: maybe to create a platform or collaborate on a platform yes create collaborate it's

[2:41:00] Voice 3: definitely not something i can do by myself do

[2:41:03] Voice 1: we have your name

[2:41:07] I have

[2:41:13] Voice 3: two comments so one to bounce off of what Emily said because I don't know if it was really

[2:41:21] Voice 3: captured in the best ways to engage but um what came to my mind when you were talking about people

[2:41:28] Voice 3: who need trapped in the process is rather than seeing this as a is there a track that could be

[2:41:36] Voice 3: a regular bi-weekly coffee shop and then this is a topic of discussion and so it's a very low

[2:41:45] Voice 3: risk place or happening at phc and event that's already happening but building in a regular

[2:41:53] Voice 3: making it so it's not a surprise oh all of a sudden we're doing this oh you didn't get the

[2:41:58] Voice 12: notice in

[2:41:59] Voice 3: the in the sounder and in the facebook there was like

[2:42:02] Voice 3: one week window to find out but

[2:42:04] Voice 3: there's an actual track of like the the 1212 events oh we're coming to expect these are

[2:42:10] Voice 3: happening so that is a built-in sense of stability in the process that's true and then the second

[2:42:16] Voice 3: thing that work that's not work that's been done before but not just first nations but

[2:42:22] Voice 3: specifically so they have been all the orders about engaging

[2:42:26] Voice 12: with the land like why are we

[2:42:29] Voice 12: just thinking of the ocp just from the perspective of residents like we need to how has this land

[2:42:35] Voice 12: relationship the land been considered and what are the stories that might we want we might want to

[2:42:43] Voice 12: have

[2:42:44] Voice 3: embedded in in this ocp a co-creation of knowledge would be um i think the first place

[2:42:52] Voice 3: is to start and then there is a paraphrasing here so if i've got something that means well yeah

[2:42:59] Voice 3: rephrase or yeah

[2:43:00] Voice 12: so so having and

[2:43:02] Voice 3: there's a great grant that carol ferguson is working on um i don't

[2:43:07] Voice 3: know if there's opportunity to as events are happening on gabriela are we what

[2:43:15] Voice 3: okay

[2:43:16] Voice 12: but

[2:43:17] Voice 12: But stories from the land that don't come from our setups,

[2:43:21] Voice 12: right, that really are from people

[2:43:25] Voice 3: who've had relationships in the land.

[2:43:27] Voice 3: And then it's like Stephanie Johnson

[2:43:29] Voice 3: is the name of somebody I've heard,

[2:43:31] Voice 3: Logan, she's an RRU student

[2:43:36] Voice 3: and she created the Safe Polices Learning Series,

[2:43:40] Voice 3: which is just phenomenal.

[2:43:43] Voice 3: And I believe she does consultation.

[2:43:45] Voice 3: This is her work.

[2:43:48] Voice 3: helping settler governments and groups and communities engage with indigenous peoples she's

[2:43:54] Voice 3: right and then i've also had what's very specific knowledge about i don't know if she works for the

[2:44:01] Voice 1: district

[2:44:01] Voice 3: but there are also indigenous um corporations who use this specification for

[2:44:09] Voice 3: or communities specifically.

[2:44:13] Voice 3: Yeah, April

[2:44:14] Voice 1: told me one of

[2:44:15] Voice 1: them, yeah.

[2:44:17] Voice 3: It's a very good question.

[2:44:19] Voice 3: We have, it's, I'm not saying we can't.

[2:44:24] Voice 3: Working for it.

[2:44:25] Voice 3: It's an opportunity.

[2:44:27] Voice 3: This is one area where I'm not through the trusted

[2:44:29] Voice 3: on this type of thing, so we're not there yet.

[2:44:32] Voice 3: We'll get there.

[2:44:33] Voice 3: Is she a facilitator?

[2:44:35] Voice 3: Can I get that right?

[2:44:35] Voice 3: I think she's a facilitator

[2:44:36] Voice 3: and an enthralled intercultural engagement person.

[2:44:43] Voice 3: I don't know if she's up for this, but I've also heard

[2:44:45] Voice 3: people, indigenous-led consultants, who literally

[2:44:50] Voice 3: do this work of updating OCPs for communities.

[2:44:55] Voice 3: So I think we'll pass it on to one of the women.

[2:44:58] Voice 3: Sorry, I'm about to have a few more questions.

[2:45:02] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you.

[2:45:04] Voice 3: I'm building on what Toby just said.

[2:45:10] Voice 3: It occurs to me that running this by Carol

[2:45:16] Voice 3: or keeping the other organizations that actively

[2:45:21] Voice 3: have grants in process would be really useful to achieving

[2:45:25] Voice 3: some of the objectives.

[2:45:26] Voice 3: Because I know Carol is working on deadline right now

[2:45:31] Voice 3: to accomplish the objectives of that grant,

[2:45:35] Voice 3: which relate, in large part, to sumego and how it could deal with issues.

[2:45:44] Voice 3: How could we create a non-racist OCP? Right?

[2:45:54] Voice 3: I'm down in the host dog. Come on.

[2:45:57] Voice 3: What was her name?

[2:45:59] Voice 3: Carol Ferguson.

[2:46:01] Voice 3: Yeah, we didn't mention Jack.

[2:46:08] Voice 3: And my point is timeliness, because I know she's working on that right now,

[2:46:12] Voice 10: and

[2:46:12] Voice 3: having her have knowledge of what's going on here.

[2:46:16] Voice 10: Exactly. Thank you.

[2:46:23] Voice 10: Okay, I just want to say a few things. I'm going to get

[2:46:26] Voice 3: out of here at 2 o'clock.

[2:46:27] Voice 3: We're going to talk to Barolo and Brantley.

[2:46:31] Voice 3: You're late.

[2:46:32] Voice 10: Yeah, I know.

[2:46:40] Voice 10: You'll find if you work with me long

[2:46:41] Voice 3: enough that I tend to sort of tunneling down, I go

[2:46:44] Voice 3: out right the other way and open up.

[2:46:46] Voice 3: So I just wanted to throw up the quick things out there and start experiments.

[2:46:50] Voice 3: The first one, in regard to number one, worked on before.

[2:46:58] Voice 3: Worked on by, I may have to say, the creator.

[2:47:04] Voice 3: The sense of situation and place.

[2:47:07] Voice 3: Here we are. There are certain about geochromatic inevitabilities and some more to come.

[2:47:15] Everything we do is situated in place and on the land.

[2:47:18] This is where our community resides.

[2:47:21] Voice 3: So much of that is there going on.

[2:47:27] Voice 10: Who should we talk to? I'm here mostly as an advocate for children.

[2:47:36] Voice 10: I'm glad

[2:47:37] Voice 3: to see children are up there.

[2:47:38] Voice 3: I mean and it means young people of all ages but also let's pull our minds up here a little bit

[2:47:46] Voice 3: who do we need to talk to non-sentient beings the trees the rocks again back down the place

[2:47:55] Voice 3: how do we do that that's not for me to discuss but again who do we need to talk to in our minds

[2:48:03] Voice 3: we need to be open to talking to the next generations the people who aren't here who

[2:48:07] Voice 3: are going to be here this otp has to be to look to the future a long way into the future um

[2:48:15] Voice 3: number three the best way to engage when we speak of uh or who do we need to talk to

[2:48:22] Voice 3: we're going to talk to what we need to listen to it's mostly who we need to listen to um

[2:48:27] Voice 3: in regards to this sort of wound that i grew up there with one and two

[2:48:33] Voice 3: to Ms. Elder, who I love dearly,

[2:48:37] Voice 3: speaks of psalms left on the land.

[2:48:39] Voice 3: And I didn't get to go ahead and listen for that.

[2:48:45] Voice 3: In other words, the wisdom of the ancestors

[2:48:53] Voice 3: of the people who still own and still occupy this land

[2:48:56] Voice 3: that we make our community on.

[2:49:00] Voice 3: The last bit about what the other is

[2:49:03] Voice 3: And speaking to the community, that's much more than the OCP.

[2:49:08] Voice 3: Much, much more than the OCP.

[2:49:12] Voice 3: We don't need to take either the OCP or the community for granted.

[2:49:17] Voice 3: And lastly, on strategies and tactics. Yeah, by keeping it raw and grassroots

[2:49:21] Voice 3: and open discussions at the very beginning, we get away

[2:49:25] Voice 3: from the troubles of granularity, which is something that came up in this meeting

[2:49:29] Voice 3: twice. I want to speak specifically to it once.

[2:49:34] Voice 3: We might need more density, or if you're thinking about more density, we're gonna have to create it.

[2:49:39] Voice 3: And if that sentence comes up, a priori, the discussion, the process, that's what we're talking about.

[2:49:45] Voice 3: In fact, we're not talking about it, we're reading it each other about it.

[2:49:47] Voice 3: And somewhere in the room, there's a shared comment about actually that wasn't the thing at all, that it wouldn't matter.

[2:49:52] Voice 3: So, and the next thing was, oxen trees. Oh, the community isn't with oxen trees at all.

[2:49:58] Voice 3: Oh, that's to define a little bit, so granular bylaw making and legalese at the very end of how we define it.

[2:50:07] Voice 3: If we put that up front, that's all we talk about. We don't talk well that way. We scream at each other about stuff like that.

[2:50:14] Voice 3: I don't know if I've helped this conversation at all. Thanks for inviting me.

[2:50:18] Voice 1: Thank

[2:50:18] Voice 3: you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Nice meeting you. So good to hear.

[2:50:24] Voice 3: I don't even know if it's cute.

[2:50:33] Voice 3: i think if i can also paraphrase that because we've been hearing this at 12 council a bit and

[2:50:39] Voice 3: one counselor brought up this one or trustee trying to call the counselor uh brought up this

[2:50:45] Voice 3: this great analogy of you know i've got the solution here's the solution and it's really

[2:50:50] Voice 3: coming from a very particular perspective of somebody who has a lived experience and to them

[2:50:55] Voice 3: that's the solution but if you put the solution up front then all of a sudden we're debating this

[2:51:01] Voice 3: and we haven't had a broad enough process to actually define the problem or to assign what

[2:51:06] Voice 3: we're talking about or the context and have everybody's stories of lived experience then

[2:51:12] Voice 3: we create the solution together so i really i've been hearing that lately of because that's what

[2:51:19] Voice 3: breaking down dialogue it's breaking down creative thinking and actually getting to solutions because

[2:51:25] Voice 3: we're actually just arguing about a one thing that's not a thing for one person but it doesn't

[2:51:31] Voice 3: address the complex problems that we're all

[2:51:34] Voice 3: so stop passing around and people stop

[2:51:38] Voice 3: pushing everybody else like rails i don't

[2:51:41] Voice 1: know i don't know

[2:51:42] Voice 3: it was a very interesting frame and i

[2:51:44] Voice 3: haven't forgotten it and david's comment just reminded me so keeping it broad at the start

[2:51:49] Voice 3: and to define the problem and to find the,

[2:51:53] Voice 3: what

[2:51:53] Voice 10: are we talking about?

[2:51:54] Voice 10: Super important.

[2:51:58] Voice 10: Talking again, sorry.

[2:52:02] Voice 3: You're good?

[2:52:03] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:52:04] Voice 3: So moving on to number four,

[2:52:07] Voice 3: that I just did want to reiterate

[2:52:09] Voice 3: that I would also like to add to number two,

[2:52:13] Voice 3: all the other living creatures on the island,

[2:52:16] Voice 3: it's very important to have on our list,

[2:52:19] Voice 3: whether we're listening or don't probably speak to that um and then best way to engage

[2:52:26] Voice 3: um

[2:52:26] Voice 3: thank you and the best way to engage i guess i would just say briefly that i would like to see

[2:52:48] Voice 3: most of the money and most of the time be up front in the community engagement like to me

[2:52:55] Voice 3: that's where most of the time money should go because once that you know once that's gathered

[2:53:03] Voice 3: um then there's the next sort of when i think about this and you know linear the next place is

[2:53:12] Voice 3: Okay, trustee, here's what has been gathered from the community, and what will you do with this information?

[2:53:26] Voice 3: How will it go forward?

[2:53:28] Voice 3: What will be prioritized out of here?

[2:53:30] Voice 3: What becomes actual concepts that are visioned and or regulations?

[2:53:39] Voice 3: So, you know, so there's that work and there's so much expertise at staff level and planning level and regional planning that, you know, starts narrowing that down to, you know, the actual legislative work of the OCP.

[2:53:54] Voice 3: so for me it is most of the time most of the money but also how do you balance that where

[2:54:00] Voice 3: it doesn't become fatigue you know like over it's over i don't know if you ever can go over

[2:54:06] Voice 3: community engagement but but there might be a place where it it exhausts everyone and

[2:54:13] Voice 3: have to be careful

[2:54:14] Voice 3: about that yeah i think it goes back to the comment heard about like

[2:54:18] Voice 3: while in here it's overspending yourself and i think that comes from what we can

[2:54:27] Voice 3: think about more really spending some time really being clear and defining what those key ideas are

[2:54:33] Voice 3: so we're having these conversations we know where it's going to know the ultimate goal

[2:54:38] Voice 3: and no one to talk about that's the music to learn is harris and i um so

[2:54:46] Voice 2: i i just add um

[2:54:48] Voice 2: oh yeah i don't even know where my voice is coming from it's at the front or the back um

[2:54:54] Voice 2: um so i would just uh i i would just sort of um uh just sort of adding to that um absolutely um

[2:55:05] Voice 2: The idea with the funding is for it to primarily go to engagement, because that is the piece that, you know, the gathering of that information is something that's in the community.

[2:55:17] Voice 2: I mean, that's the community's work, right?

[2:55:19] Voice 2: So that money is to go to the community to facilitate the discussions that need to happen or the engagement processes, however you want to proceed.

[2:55:30] Voice 2: I mean, staff roles is really just to help focus the process.

[2:55:35] Voice 2: as, as the process moves forward. And I'd also add that, you know, with this, this is,

[2:55:43] Voice 2: this is the first full OCP process for the Islands Trust in a long, long time. And

[2:55:51] Voice 2: the decision has been made to have sort of staff help to facilitate that or guide that process,

[2:55:58] Voice 2: as opposed to a consultant um so that uh because you know we we you know while we may not be on

[2:56:07] Voice 2: your island we have a sense of the islands so uh and and kind of um a better a better sense of how

[2:56:13] Voice 2: that process how to support that process than than somebody from outside would be so um like i said

[2:56:19] Voice 2: the majority of the funding will will will go to um to supporting the community process

[2:56:25] Voice 2: process.

[2:56:26] Voice 3: Thanks, Marissa.

[2:56:27] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:56:30] Voice 3: So I wanted

[2:56:31] Voice 3: to talk about number four, how do I want to be able to do work at the

[2:56:36] Voice 3: government units.

[2:56:38] Voice 3: My term on the Housing and Biotech Planning Commission is two.

[2:56:45] Voice 3: So if I had a choice, which of course I do, I would prefer to work as part of the community

[2:56:52] Voice 3: community team that's guiding the development of the engagement planning and the design of that

[2:57:01] Voice 3: then to have a formal role on the host of our on the advice housing advisory planning Commission

[2:57:13] Voice 3: okay so I heard a couple things yeah and my brain latched onto one but I think yeah

[2:57:18] Voice 3: so you want to

[2:57:20] Voice 11: be involved in this OTP process in the limited time you have left as part of the housing ABC

[2:57:26] Voice 11: and you would also like to help you could design being I

[2:57:30] Voice 3: would like to be a member of our community

[2:57:32] Voice 3: team if we're going to do this thing where we engage the community to design this and to work

[2:57:38] Voice 3: and in support of this process I would be happy to work as part of that team designing the community

[2:57:46] Voice 3: community engagement process and helping to facilitate or deliver it in whatever form.

[2:57:55] Voice 3: Yeah, that would be where I think would be the best

[2:57:58] Voice 10: use of my abilities.

[2:58:07] Voice 2: I actually just want to sort of thank you for that distinction because the APC's role is not engagement.

[2:58:14] Voice 2: So there would need to be a community team or however you decide to design that to help to develop that engagement process and then actually move forward with the engagement, facilitate that engagement.

[2:58:43] Voice 3: I did this back in 2008, and everything about the OCP regime was very traditional.

[2:58:54] Voice 3: It's traditional meetings.

[2:58:55] Voice 3: And it was very little interest to the general public because it was just come, you sit facing us, we talk at you, you get a chance to ask questions, and we continue on.

[2:59:11] Voice 3: And that was three years.

[2:59:13] Voice 3: And I don't have that process in me again.

[2:59:18] Voice 3: Even this, I'm finding, like I'm looking around, everybody's slouching in their chairs and the blaze has set in.

[2:59:25] Voice 3: and it's really hard to sit for this long and remain engaged and i don't know that i can do

[2:59:31] Voice 3: that for another three years like i was putting that out there it needs to be different than last

[2:59:37] Voice 3: time um

[2:59:40] Voice 2: i i just like to say i mean that that that finding the different way is exciting to me um

[2:59:51] Voice 2: I, I, my, my sort of my first degree was in community development, from an international

[2:59:58] Voice 2: perspective and it was

[3:00:00] Voice 2: all about about what they call bottom-up development so that's kind of the lens

[3:00:05] Voice 2: you know that I kind of come into things so it's really about the community guiding so

[3:00:09] Voice 2: so it'll be exciting to

[3:00:12] Voice 1: see you know see how this process evolves and

[3:00:19] Voice 10: maybe sort of pulling

[3:00:20] Voice 10: on that thought it's

[3:00:21] Voice 3: not just this I think we would benefit from thinking about this and thinking

[3:00:29] Voice 3: a different way but maybe it's like we need to we heard comments from the community that uh you know

[3:00:36] Voice 3: protecting

[3:00:37] Voice 12: our environment and sort of capturing trees let's do a walking tour

[3:00:41] Voice 12: who

[3:00:41] Voice 3: is an elder

[3:00:44] Voice 3: and knowledgeable walks us to the spaces and says why this is so

[3:00:49] Voice 11: your

[3:00:50] Voice 3: idea of a different ways it's just drawing on that thread because yes

[3:00:57] Voice 3: Can you remember them walking toward?

[3:00:59] Voice 3: Yeah, it is. Well, I like

[3:01:01] Voice 3: them, but it might be selfish.

[3:01:04] Voice 3: Whatever.

[3:01:07] Voice 3: There's a lot of excuses to come here, so we're going to give her a whole bunch.

[3:01:11] Voice 3: So I did have Felix next, so that's it.

[3:01:14] Voice 3: Oh, yeah, okay. I wanted to ask this

[3:01:17] Voice 6: first, and then I forgot.

[3:01:19] Voice 6: So I'm aware that some of you have been on the advisory planning missions for a while,

[3:01:26] Voice 6: and that you're sort of segwaying out in april um that's some of you or we're all new or

[3:01:32] Voice 6: nobody's leaving not necessarily okay um because if there were people who were leaving i wanted

[3:01:38] Voice 6: to ask them what they would have wanted to know when they started and um what you give

[3:01:45] Voice 6: advice

[3:01:45] Voice 3: for people who are starting now that could be a great meeting conversation

[3:01:54] Voice 3: I was on the, no, APC, I think around this time, it was one health plan that was being dealt with.

[3:02:04] Voice 3: I always managed to, anyways, the timing's great. At the beginning, we got everything. We got an OCP,

[3:02:13] Voice 3: land use bylaw, we got policy statement, we got zoning maps, we got everything. Now,

[3:02:18] Voice 3: it was a huge amount of waste at the end but do we still get all those emailed or do we have to

[3:02:25] Voice 3: navigate the nightmare that is the island structure website to find those documents

[3:02:30] Voice 11: awesome let me have a question um and i think the quick answer is i pass along this feedback

[3:02:39] Voice 11: because i think there's some updates happening to the website but yes in terms of navigating

[3:02:44] Voice 12: through information, hearing that for

[3:02:47] Voice 3: this OCP process and other processes and other

[3:02:50] Voice 3: questions, that's something, yes, for us as planners we strive to do and our Iowa trust

[3:02:57] Voice 3: back. So, thank you.

[3:03:00] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:03:01] Voice 3: Big technical...

[3:03:01] Voice 13: So, it's all the orientation process.

[3:03:03] Voice 3: Yes, big technical, big information central, app accessible.

[3:03:14] Voice 3: And I'll just be honest for a moment,

[3:03:16] Voice 13: and that we

[3:03:18] Voice 9: had resourcing issues and troubles

[3:03:20] Voice 9: at the outpost because of staff, and some

[3:03:24] Voice 9: of this may not be as coherent as it should

[3:03:26] Voice 9: be, but I'm certain that there are others that are going to want to make sure that I

[3:03:32] Voice 9: couldn't help it, and I chose not to speak because I thought I can't contribute anything.

[3:03:37] Voice 9: This is lots of knowledge already, but when I see all these OTP 101,

[3:03:43] Voice 9: trust statement 101, well, APC 101, cultural awareness 101,

[3:03:49] Voice 9: climate change 101, it's

[3:03:51] Voice 9: not fair to assume that everybody outside

[3:03:54] Voice 9: of this room has a grasp of what is understood inside the room

[3:04:00] Voice 9: because particularly on some of these things that we're talking about

[3:04:03] Voice 9: and I'll just focus on cultural awareness and climate change,

[3:04:06] Voice 9: In order to get community embracing an OCP that speaks to those issues, they need to

[3:04:15] Voice 9: know why.

[3:04:16] Voice 9: So it's not just for this body that we need those one-on-ones, but for the community at

[3:04:20] Voice 9: large to understand why we're including cultural

[3:04:24] Voice 3: awareness, reconciliation, climate change,

[3:04:26] Voice 3: and housing.

[3:04:27] Voice 3: The list goes on.

[3:04:28] Voice 3: Equity is

[3:04:30] Voice 13: why we do it.

[3:04:33] Voice 3: Oh, thank you.

[3:04:35] Voice 3: Well, Diane knows where Carly had left.

[3:04:37] Voice 3: but I did want to assure her that we never really called the APCs together at any kind of a public meeting.

[3:04:47] Voice 3: This is very unusual, but it was, I think Toby came up with the idea first and we said, yeah, let's try this.

[3:04:55] Voice 3: Normally what they get are referrals from something that the audience,

[3:05:00] Voice 3: the local government is working on and we refer something to them for their opinion.

[3:05:04] Voice 3: And they meet by themselves separately, open and public, and their referral comes back to us.

[3:05:11] Voice 11: So this, I didn't want Diane to think she ever had to do this again, but just to follow up on that too,

[3:05:18] Voice 11: there are groups and people in this community that

[3:05:22] Voice 3: are really good at public engagement.

[3:05:27] Voice 3: And you won't have any problem finding out who they are.

[3:05:31] Voice 3: That's a great point.

[3:05:33] Voice 3: How do you want to be involved in some of that?

[3:05:37] Voice 3: Maybe start feeding some of that.

[3:05:39] Voice 3: Sorry, oh, and then somebody, yeah, Arda.

[3:05:43] Voice 3: Or Dan, go ahead.

[3:05:45] Voice 3: Me?

[3:05:46] Voice 3: Oh, sorry.

[3:05:47] Voice 3: That's okay.

[3:05:48] Voice 3: It's Deborah.

[3:05:49] Voice 3: So just a couple of things.

[3:05:51] Voice 3: I always feel like I'm not quite calm to everybody

[3:05:54] Voice 3: on my number, but I do want to support Carly

[3:06:00] Voice 3: to what you said about the 2008, you know, whatnot, and whatnot.

[3:06:04] Voice 3: I mean, you know, there's parts of it that work, but it was tedious,

[3:06:08] Voice 3: and it ended up with the trustees spending hours dotting I's and crossing T's,

[3:06:13] Voice 3: and we didn't really need to do that.

[3:06:15] Voice 3: We shouldn't have had to do that, and we didn't want to do that.

[3:06:19] Voice 3: But I really agree.

[3:06:20] Voice 3: There's lessons to be learned there about some ways not to get stuck in some roles, for sure.

[3:06:27] Voice 3: I did want to just maybe get some clarity, maybe from Marissa,

[3:06:30] Voice 3: around ways to engage in the idea

[3:06:33] Voice 3: that most of the money, most of the time

[3:06:35] Voice 3: is up front around engagement.

[3:06:37] Voice 3: Would there be a separate stream?

[3:06:39] Voice 3: And I didn't mean separate.

[3:06:41] Voice 3: I mean it as iterative.

[3:06:43] Voice 3: That's also money and engagement time

[3:06:46] Voice 3: and specifically like First Nations consultation

[3:06:51] Voice 3: and that nation-to-nation idea.

[3:06:55] Voice 3: to make some clarity around how that weaves into this too?

[3:07:03] Voice 2: Yeah, so when I speak of engagement,

[3:07:06] Voice 2: it does actually include First Nations as well.

[3:07:10] Voice 2: And so we have sort of ballparked an amount

[3:07:20] Voice 2: for First Nations engagement and that may change.

[3:07:23] Voice 2: You know, we've yet to sort of start to have the conversations with the First Nations.

[3:07:30] Voice 2: So it's definitely, it's part of the, you know, the engagement funding includes First Nations.

[3:07:41] Voice 12: Thank you. And so to carry on that point, and I'm realizing time is of the essence,

[3:07:47] Voice 12: but the feedback I have from a colleague who couldn't be here today, she lived here for 12 years,

[3:07:54] Voice 12: She's engaged in participatory action research in community for a really long time and has family who is Sinema.

[3:08:04] Voice 12: She is saying, and I have permission to share this, I just want to share it in an open meeting,

[3:08:09] Voice 12: you need an Indigenous consultant who will help build that relationship with SFM.

[3:08:14] Voice 12: Having a consultant rooted in Sinema community will be much more beneficial in the long term.

[3:08:20] Voice 12: they will bring in elders and start with ceremony and this is something that we don't know how to do

[3:08:28] Voice 12: ourselves we are still coming from a colonial framework and a mindset and so if we're going

[3:08:34] Voice 12: to design an OCP that will actually include the perspective of Sinemuk and respect the relationship

[3:08:43] Voice 12: to the land that is still ongoing we do need someone who actually has that relationship

[3:08:49] Voice 12: and the connection and the authority to bring that together.

[3:08:54] Voice 12: So I would say that's the piece that, as a community,

[3:08:57] Voice 12: we don't have that in-house necessarily,

[3:09:00] Voice 12: Ardeth, with the exception of you.

[3:09:03] Voice 12: So I would strongly urge us to consider an Indigenous consultant.

[3:09:08] Voice 12: I don't think this is something that the Islands Trust should necessarily own.

[3:09:10] Voice 12: It is specific to this land and to this land's relationship to Snuneymuk.

[3:09:16] Voice 12: And the Islands Trust is not there yet.

[3:09:18] Voice 12: So, and I'm going to quote, having an outsider, listen to how the community wants to proceed. You must have an outside voice to help with collaborative process, but the method and process is designed by community.

[3:09:32] Voice 12: community. It's not a consultant doesn't come in and say, this is what we're doing. The community

[3:09:37] Voice 12: is the one that says, this is what we're doing, but we have to have a sort of an outsider who can

[3:09:44] Voice 12: be at arm's length and listen and design a process together because we still have trouble with

[3:09:51] Voice 12: trust in the process. And I will refer to the housing, Gabriel housing matters piece, which I

[3:09:57] Voice 12: I was involved with, just because there was an overabundance of people on that PAPC. We had,

[3:10:06] Voice 12: you know, we're progressives, or we see things in a certain way. And so there's a perception

[3:10:10] Voice 12: in the community that, well, that's not, that was not a fair process, or I don't see myself

[3:10:16] Voice 12: represented in that. And so I'm just cautioning us about doing everything as a grassroots community

[3:10:22] Voice 12: community thing, having some components, especially when it comes to Indigenous relationship building,

[3:10:28] Voice 12: I think that's the part that we do need to bring in some professional capacity.

[3:10:34] Voice 3: Does that resonate?

[3:10:35] Voice 3: I don't want to like...

[3:10:37] Voice 3: Absolutely, yeah.

[3:10:38] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:10:39] Voice 3: Sorry, I was making notes.

[3:10:40] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:10:41] Voice 3: All right.

[3:10:43] Voice 3: Thank you for making this meeting happen because otherwise I'd be looking at emails like,

[3:10:48] Voice 3: oh God, it's an email.

[3:10:50] Voice 3: I hate emails.

[3:10:50] Voice 11: I know.

[3:10:52] Voice 11: So, I'll ask everyone to reflect and give me some feedback

[3:10:56] Voice 3: on how you'd like to be involved in the pre-work.

[3:10:59] Voice 3: I just want to amplify Toby's comment about the consultant, and I think that another specific important part is that the Indigenous consultant be supportive,

[3:11:12] Voice 3: working because otherwise people will other for him so that um so that person can't be signed up

[3:11:22] Voice 3: they they have a role to play and um putting them aside could easily happen the other point i want

[3:11:31] Voice 3: to make is that um walking tour just uh where you're writing out somebody mentioned walking

[3:11:38] Voice 3: tour and I think that it points to the need for us to take a look at what's

[3:11:43] Voice 3: actually happening because I believe it's supposed to be this week maybe not

[3:11:47] Voice 3: snowing. Geraldine Manson and Ms. Nancy Turner we're going to do a

[3:11:54] Voice 3: walking tour this

[3:11:55] Voice 3: week. So I think we have to be cognizant of the things that are actually happening while we're out here.

[3:12:07] Voice 10: So I'm having them

[3:12:16] Voice 10: building with

[3:12:17] Voice 3: and often events talk to the students, but there's something already happening.

[3:12:27] Voice 3: And I think there has to be like a present initiative to be in touch with what's happening in the organizations around so that we know, you know, there's

[3:12:39] Voice 10: a walking tour.

[3:12:39] Voice 10: that he finds solar yeah i've had a question else running

[3:12:49] Voice 3: on space like a almost like a

[3:12:53] Voice 3: community calendar of events or something i don't know and how would you like to be

[3:13:03] Voice 3: involved in this pre-work when you think about the work that we're doing my ideas about

[3:13:12] Voice 3: I'll find my screen.

[3:13:16] Voice 3: But being a member and just making part of the team to be one engagement process,

[3:13:21] Voice 3: other meetings you would like to be involved with screen work.

[3:13:24] Voice 3: Maybe as we reach out or we need to reach out or maybe putting together community-founded events or helping us with a list of community events.

[3:13:33] Voice 3: I'm throwing out ideas based on topics involved.

[3:13:36] Voice 3: Yes, yes. Sorry, I did see your hand up.

[3:13:41] Voice 3: I have a question specifically about number four. Okay, and then go ahead. Basically,

[3:13:48] Voice 3: I really don't understand what you're asking from us. Maybe if we had more of a framework,

[3:13:56] Voice 3: we would get more answers for it. Like, are there examples? Are there things you'd like us to do?

[3:14:02] Voice 11: Okay, okay. Nerissa, do you want to elaborate on that

[3:14:06] Voice 11: question a little bit? I paraphrased

[3:14:07] Voice 11: question for which is probably why we're spinning off a little bit if you can just turn um

[3:14:12] Voice 2: yeah i

[3:14:14] Voice 2: mean i think i think what we're uh you know we're trying to get a sense of um um i think what we're

[3:14:22] Voice 2: working towards is ideas it sounds uh for an engagement plan i mean ultimately we're going

[3:14:28] Voice 2: to have to put an engagement plan together i think what we've heard today is a lot of um there's been

[3:14:33] Voice 2: a lot of great ideas around the kinds of engagement that the the community is interested

[3:14:38] Voice 2: in um you know that that you want to do different types of engagement um we've had some people um so

[3:14:44] Voice 2: put up their hand and volunteer themselves to uh you know be involved in a different type of

[3:14:49] Voice 2: engagement um we've also heard a lot of you know talked a lot about um first nations engagement so

[3:14:55] Voice 2: this is all good information um that what we and i mean even the um even the talking about the

[3:15:01] Voice 2: walking tours and you know looking uh at what's in the calendar for the year and that sort of thing

[3:15:07] Voice 2: um all of that sort of that that information ultimately needs to be captured in in an

[3:15:14] Voice 2: engagement plan um and i think that'll then give you a little bit more um sense of um and i and

[3:15:22] Voice 2: again that the engagement plan is is is something that um you know we're not going to write it's

[3:15:28] Voice 2: something that we'll work with those individuals who are interested in putting that together.

[3:15:34] Voice 2: I feel like we've got a lot of really good information here. And as staff, what we can do is

[3:15:39] Voice 2: we can sort of bring this information together and organize it. This is not the end of the

[3:15:44] Voice 2: conversation. It's just the very, very beginning. So we can synthesize that and then it may be

[3:15:51] Voice 2: easier to sort of see see um your your you know where you want to be in the process or what and

[3:15:58] Voice 2: i mean and also what that process is going to look like so again this is really just our first

[3:16:03] Voice 2: um conversation so so you don't you don't need to define yourself in this process because the

[3:16:09] Voice 2: process itself is is just defining itself as we're as we're talking here today you

[3:16:16] Voice 3: want to chew on

[3:16:16] Voice 3: that i'll go back here uh gabriela talks may be a good organization to organize this engagement and

[3:16:25] Voice 3: um i'm really happy to talk to the other people in the neighborhood to get that started if that

[3:16:34] Voice 3: was what other people thought we could do and we would

[3:16:39] Voice 10: work alongside individuals so yeah say

[3:17:02] Voice 10: say something. I'm just

[3:17:04] Voice 3: taking this and it's most basic. I

[3:17:07] Voice 3: personally, I've always found that food is the process and

[3:17:12] Voice 3: bringing people around to

[3:17:14] Voice 3: my personal like alcohol.

[3:17:20] Voice 3: I've

[3:17:22] Voice 2: been messaging a little bit with Sonia in the background,

[3:17:26] Voice 2: and she was talking about karaoke.

[3:17:31] Voice 11: Maybe for

[3:17:33] Voice 3: a certain sector of this community.

[3:17:46] Voice 10: I'm here as

[3:17:52] Voice 3: usual, but I think we have a lot of connections with community members that

[3:18:10] Voice 3: So you would be okay speaking with healthy communities.

[3:18:16] Voice 3: Yeah, I am.

[3:18:17] Voice 3: I've been trying to make more.

[3:18:20] Voice 10: Well, thanks, Renee.

[3:18:36] Voice 10: Well,

[3:18:37] Voice 3: I wanted to follow up on one thing that Toby mentioned about having the First Nations

[3:18:41] Voice 3: support

[3:18:42] Voice 3: guiding us through this

[3:18:44] Voice 3: I totally

[3:18:47] Voice 3: support that and partly

[3:18:48] Voice 3: what I do is because for a

[3:18:50] Voice 3: few years on Islands Trust

[3:18:52] Voice 3: Council

[3:18:54] Voice 3: we had an amazing

[3:18:57] Voice 3: intergovernmental policy

[3:18:58] Voice 3: advisor and

[3:19:00] Voice 3: I can't tell you how many times

[3:19:03] Voice 3: she helped me but she didn't get

[3:19:05] Voice 3: enough support

[3:19:05] Voice 7: and

[3:19:07] Voice 3: so I think

[3:19:13] Voice 3: So I hardly support that.

[3:19:15] Voice 3: The other thing I hardly support is maybe

[3:19:19] Voice 11: starting off with Gabriela Talks, doing this

[3:19:23] Voice 11: initial kind of organization, mainly because they are non

[3:19:27] Voice 3: -aligned.

[3:19:28] Voice 3: They are just a group of individuals who knows how to reach out to everybody else and start

[3:19:43] Voice 3: Yeah, I actually have a question about what Barb has said about support for the

[3:19:49] Voice 3: sitting minutes, consultants on both. Consultants? Yes, consultants. Did you have any specific ideas

[3:19:58] Voice 3: that you'd like to throw out for how that person could be supported? Yeah, speaking out.

[3:20:06] Voice 3: Calling people with their big assholes. I'm really good at that.

[3:20:15] Voice 3: the other thing um that i was talking about before i got here was the significance of having a

[3:20:22] Voice 3: critical mass because i had seen instances where an indigenous consultant or a person

[3:20:29] Voice 3: is sidelined and i think you have more than one brown person made it easier to to not it's less

[3:20:37] Voice 3: less easy to undermine them.

[3:20:44] Voice 3: So I think having some means of having support in numbers

[3:20:52] Voice 3: is also important.

[3:20:56] Voice 3: How best to put it?

[3:20:57] Voice 3: You want to put it in the what else category?

[3:21:03] Voice 3: How can we

[3:21:03] Voice 3: put this in how we want

[3:21:05] Voice 3: to be involved in the pre-work?

[3:21:07] Voice 3: I think having something like having a critical mass

[3:21:11] Voice 3: ask for some

[3:21:11] Voice 10: diverse opinions to enable, enable members in the

[3:21:45] Voice 10: work going on.

[3:21:53] Voice 10: Can

[3:21:55] Voice 3: I just echo that we don't lose that indigenous consultant

[3:22:04] Voice 3: consultant into them i don't want us to have that be something that we eventually do

[3:22:11] Voice 3: and that gets brought in part way through i think that is that is like we can't go anywhere

[3:22:20] Voice 3: else until we have that piece in place and my understanding is stephanie johnson would be

[3:22:27] Voice 3: the ideal person for this just because of who she is and her connections but

[3:22:41] Voice 10: I hate to see us

[3:22:43] Voice 3: get you know excited and and end up moving forward with that as a we'll do that at some point I

[3:22:52] Voice 3: really feel quite strongly that that has to be the first part of the first step and if we move on

[3:23:00] Voice 3: without doing that it's not something you can bring in part way. Narissa did you hear that?

[3:23:07] Voice 3: Narissa is the key island planner in this next step creative engagement plan and I'll

[3:23:15] Voice 3: least for you she hears it right okay uh

[3:23:22] Voice 2: sorry were you asking if i'd heard if i heard that

[3:23:25] Voice 2: what was being said about the first nations consultant yes in terms

[3:23:29] Voice 3: of helping to create

[3:23:30] Voice 3: or design the engagement plan and be involved yeah

[3:23:34] Voice 2: so i at this moment writing an email to

[3:23:38] Voice 2: our director of planning to see if there's still room to add add to budget requests for this fiscal

[3:23:51] Voice 3: Yeah, I really would like to agree with that too about really early on being an indigenous consultant and at a very high level and very important.

[3:24:04] Voice 3: I personally, if you're asking me, Deborah, would I want to be involved in pre-work,

[3:24:09] Voice 3: um i'm going to be very careful with my time and i might just offer to you know be somewhere in

[3:24:17] Voice 3: the background if some group like april talks you know to you know looks at an educational plan

[3:24:23] Voice 3: um but i think from me deborah being on the apc i i really think that there's a very valuable role

[3:24:32] Voice 3: role in that traditional way that an agency is a referral body, and that along the way

[3:24:40] Voice 3: there may be, through the engagement process, times where it would be really valuable to

[3:24:48] Voice 3: have a referral from the LTC to the APC and the agency, specifically on, this is where

[3:24:54] Voice 3: we are in the engagement process, this is what's happening, this is what we're starting

[3:24:58] Voice 3: to hear um you as an advisory commission you know i can have something very specific referred to

[3:25:06] Voice 3: to the advisory planning commissions sort

[3:25:33] Voice 10: of the idea of where it makes sense

[3:25:34] Voice 3: to pull you guys in

[3:25:37] Voice 3: for the other thinking process thoughts so what i captured here beyond the referral

[3:25:43] Voice 3: referral ways to pull in latency and agency referrals.

[3:25:46] Voice 3: Thoughts and process, or thoughts and work.

[3:25:50] Voice 3: I'll just keep it broad, yeah.

[3:25:53] Voice 3: So did anybody else?

[3:25:55] Voice 3: I'm here to do that.

[3:25:57] Voice 3: Yes, so we just talked about prioritizing,

[3:26:01] Voice 3: finding a sitting with some consultants

[3:26:04] Voice 3: to help facilitate in talking with the nation.

[3:26:08] Voice 3: And I heard Larissa say that she's seeing

[3:26:12] Voice 3: if there can be any funding for the consultant right now and so um here

[3:26:20] Voice 6: we are all together we

[3:26:22] Voice 6: i think we're all agreeing that this is a priority and we can't really sort of functionally move

[3:26:27] Voice 6: forward without it so whose

[3:26:29] Voice 3: job is it going to be to reach out and find someone who is capable

[3:26:36] Voice 3: and willing to do that and sort of like maybe bring together um some people like a list of

[3:26:42] Voice 3: people who might be

[3:26:43] Voice 6: qualified who would be willing to do it um who can then find out you know and

[3:26:48] Voice 6: then we're finding out if there's possible funding um so i'm proposing that as the very first action

[3:26:55] Voice 6: thing that we all do together maybe we have a few people who make it our jobs to do that thing

[3:27:01] Voice 6: um so that we talk again um we've made some progress and so i volunteer to try helping do

[3:27:08] Voice 6: do that and is there anyone else who wants to um

[3:27:11] Voice 2: can i just speak up for a moment here sure yeah

[3:27:15] Voice 2: yeah so um um we actually have very close contact with the director of planning um for the city of

[3:27:21] Voice 2: nanaimo and they've recently gone through um through uh an ocp process they just completed

[3:27:28] Voice 2: their ocp and they had um i think they had quite extensive um indigenous uh first nations

[3:27:34] Voice 2: and engagement so with this name sorry i have to i have to practice the to say the the um first

[3:27:42] Voice 2: nations name properly um um anyways i think i think that i would say what i would recommend

[3:27:48] Voice 2: as a first step is just to talk to is to talk to uh to that to deny most director of planning

[3:27:54] Voice 2: just to understand how their process um how they engaged because i i wouldn't be surprised if they

[3:28:01] Voice 2: if they they may have done a similar thing um and they may have some um they may have some um

[3:28:08] Voice 2: you know ideas about about who you know who's who was involved from the nation side okay that that

[3:28:16] Voice 6: that is very good lead thank you narissa and vanessa is um the director of planning who is

[3:28:21] Voice 6: here just so i

[3:28:22] Voice 6: don't know no

[3:28:22] Voice 2: it's uh yeah no the director of planning for nanaimo for the city of

[3:28:26] Voice 2: Nanaimo. Okay.

[3:28:27] Voice 12: I do

[3:28:28] Voice 3: have the name that Lisa, what

[3:28:31] Voice 2: Paul's saying, what Paul's saying,

[3:28:40] Voice 3: but can you just explain about your

[3:28:43] Voice 12: procurement policy? Because I don't want us to get us off on

[3:28:49] Voice 12: a track of like, we have to crowdfund or raise money

[3:28:52] Voice 3: or who, so who's doing, who's responsible

[3:28:54] Voice 3: for outreach and how can we support I think would be a good question because this is where the

[3:28:59] Voice 3: community sort of initiative and Islands Trust institutional machinery we have to kind of figure

[3:29:06] Voice 3: out how to work together what's that handshake look like um so is there like do we have rules

[3:29:12] Voice 3: about procurement policies for um consultants and

[3:29:18] Voice 2: how yes we do we we do have very strict

[3:29:24] Voice 2: procurement policies i know that when um um when our uh when lisa wilcox was here with us

[3:29:31] Voice 2: um as our uh senior policy intergovernmental policy advisor um uh she was kind of like uh

[3:29:41] Voice 2: she was having some discussions around um like different approaches to um to procuring i guess

[3:29:50] Voice 2: First Nations consultants. I'm not quite sure where that went,

[3:29:55] Voice 2: but that's definitely something that I will go back and start to explore.

[3:30:00] Voice 3: Thanks, Teresa. I know, Chair, you

[3:30:02] Voice 3: wanted, did you want to add anything to that?

[3:30:05] Voice 3: Well, maybe I did, because there's two trains of thought. We don't want to get too far ahead

[3:30:10] Voice 13: of ourselves here. This is actually the first conversation that the LTC is asking the APCs, what do you think?

[3:30:19] Voice 7: right

[3:30:19] Voice 13: we're at that what do you think stage where we don't want

[3:30:23] Voice 9: to embark upon some journey

[3:30:24] Voice 9: here great ideas we don't want to do that and particularly if we're spending

[3:30:29] Voice 13: taxpayers money

[3:30:31] Voice 13: we absolutely have a required procurement process and sure

[3:30:38] Voice 9: there's opportunities to think out of the

[3:30:41] Voice 3: box but we want to engage some of our senior staff to our procurement officers regional

[3:30:49] Voice 3: planning manager with how it is we might start

[3:30:53] Voice 9: thinking about that because there are definitely

[3:30:56] Voice 9: limitations um and responsibilities associated with that but i think in as we you know to make

[3:31:04] Voice 9: this is i was going to one i think looking at the block and thinking we should start considering

[3:31:09] Voice 9: And I was going to say at the end of this is that I think anyway that we've received

[3:31:15] Voice 9: way more information than we actually have even dreamed of and it's fabulous.

[3:31:22] Voice 9: This is the starting point and now we need to figure out what we need to then figure

[3:31:27] Voice 9: out what the steps are.

[3:31:27] Voice 9: Because first of all we've got to correlate all this and see that it makes sense and then

[3:31:31] Voice 9: ideally check back in with you.

[3:31:33] Voice 9: Is this what this is?

[3:31:34] Voice 9: Is that what you said?

[3:31:35] Voice 9: You're

[3:31:35] Voice 3: taking our last slide from your assignment.

[3:31:38] Voice 3: Ah, okay.

[3:31:40] Voice 3: So maybe while this is, I'll ask you for your comment,

[3:31:43] Voice 3: and then, Marissa, if you want to help us wrap up a little bit about next steps,

[3:31:48] Voice 3: I might need to give a couple summary points.

[3:31:51] Voice 3: I have three points, and I'm not sure I remember them all.

[3:31:57] Voice 3: One is to ask, I mean, I think it's important to check out your consultants,

[3:32:05] Voice 3: typically upload in the results, but why not just ask to mail to their results?

[3:32:10] Voice 3: I think that's a very clear step out of the box and quite open to ask.

[3:32:17] Voice 3: The second thing is that I can think of right now is that somebody was mentioning that this process is not typical,

[3:32:25] Voice 3: but I think that this process of having people come together is very important.

[3:32:29] Voice 3: I think that if I get more out of the prostitution,

[3:32:34] Voice 3: I think it's more effective to work in this way.

[3:32:38] Voice 3: So I would really like to emphasize how important it is

[3:32:43] Voice 3: to have face-to-face meetings and to engage in this way.

[3:32:46] Voice 3: I can't remember what the third question was. Sorry.

[3:32:52] Voice 3: And if we may, maybe you might see your

[3:32:55] Voice 3: hand look up. Oh no, I'm just stretching.

[3:32:57] Voice 3: stretch okay

[3:32:58] Voice 11: so we'll do a bit of wrap something because i might flip time it's three o'clock

[3:33:04] Voice 11: um almost three o'clock and um narissa is there any wrap-up in terms of you can talk us a little

[3:33:11] Voice 11: bit about

[3:33:11] Voice 12: our next steps and how we're going to use this information and

[3:33:15] Voice 2: how so so what's

[3:33:17] Voice 2: interesting and i have no idea what slide you've got up there but uh you know i flipped to our our

[3:33:21] Voice 2: next um step slide and the very first thing we have on there is conversations with first nations

[3:33:26] Voice 2: but actually the one that should be on there but that's this is all um following budget right so

[3:33:32] Voice 2: um i would actually put um i would put a budget decision and then i would put project charter

[3:33:41] Voice 2: then conversations with first nations because i think um i think a lot of um what is what we're

[3:33:48] Voice 2: going to be able to do in this next uh year is really you know you know i mean this is this uh

[3:33:56] Voice 2: first nations consult piece is an interesting conversation and um you know it's a decision for

[3:34:00] Voice 2: the the ltc to make and and uh it is a budget decision um and so um the project charter will

[3:34:09] Voice 2: reflect how we will move forward i think with that conversation um as well as um you know the

[3:34:18] Voice 2: the uh the the rest of the i mean at a high level the rest of the rest of the um actions for

[3:34:27] Voice 2: basically this year which will include um the engagement but prior to the engagement plan as

[3:34:33] Voice 2: we've discussed there's there's just so many great ideas here and as staff we can go we'll go back

[3:34:38] Voice 2: and we'll we'll uh sort of have a look through them and put them together and and um do our best

[3:34:45] Voice 2: us to kind of tell you what we heard. And I think we've got, I

[3:34:51] Voice 2: think we've got some beginnings of a potential engagement plan,

[3:34:55] Voice 2: there'll have to be some decisions around how we who's

[3:34:58] Voice 2: involved and how we develop that engagement plan. And on the

[3:35:03] Voice 2: staff side of things, you know, we'll be starting to review the

[3:35:06] Voice 2: OSP, the existing OCP and see what's in there, because there

[3:35:10] Voice 2: could be stuff that speaks to the needs of the community

[3:35:12] Voice 2: already. Like I said, I'm just fresh new in this, so I really haven't even had a look at that yet.

[3:35:19] Voice 2: And I think you've done an amazing, I mean, it's amazing the wealth of information and work that

[3:35:26] Voice 2: has been done in the community. And I'm quite interested to kind of dig into that and have a

[3:35:31] Voice 2: look. So I think at this point, I'm not sure, I think we'll basically be waiting till April.

[3:35:41] Voice 2: April. Yeah, until the budget decisions are made, then we know for sure where we're at.

[3:35:47] Voice 2: We'll be working on developing that project charter, which is, again, fairly high level.

[3:35:52] Voice 2: And that can include how we're going to engage with First Nations, or at least the engagement

[3:35:59] Voice 2: generally, and then the need to develop an engagement plan. And then we'll start to dig

[3:36:05] Voice 2: into the you know the

[3:36:07] Voice 1: details of those as we move forward thanks

[3:36:11] Voice 11: thanks so um just the final best

[3:36:15] Voice 11: way to engage is just um comment to amplify diane's point about designing a process

[3:36:21] Voice 3: that respect the

[3:36:23] Voice 3: anonymity of participants in terms of the best way to engage so i want to capture that i think we are

[3:36:30] Voice 11: wrapping up here thank you very much um i noticed some people had to step away and that's okay

[3:36:37] Voice 11: So thank you so much. We have a lot of information to debrief, and I think Marissa and I and

[3:36:43] Voice 3: Steven are going to probably spend some time just to capture what's left of our hard-earned money in the future.

[3:36:49] Voice 3: We can share out, we'll share out a copy of this presentation with our attendees today and for the public, for the regular meeting as well.

[3:37:01] Voice 3: Will this be transcribed into the digital format, or?

[3:37:04] Voice 3: that's part of what service and I

[3:37:07] Voice 3: already working on is it could even be the snapshot of this and

[3:37:10] Voice 3: then transcribing it to what the work will be so yeah feel free to take pictures if you want to

[3:37:20] Voice 3: because we're all going to end up and it'll

[3:37:23] Voice 1: be in the

[3:37:23] Voice 3: minutes too thank you thank you so much

[3:37:30] Voice 3: so

[3:37:30] Voice 1: about a minute

[3:37:31] Voice 3: chair lucca is there a closing to wrap up the public portion of the meeting

[3:37:48] Voice 3: so before that everybody that's taken a certain amount of time out of the day to contribute

[3:37:54] Voice 3: contribute and as i said moments ago um me anyway this is a wealth of information i view and the

[3:38:03] Voice 3: diversity and spectrum that we cost in order to get to this place

[3:38:07] Voice 13: and is way more than i anticipated

[3:38:09] Voice 13: and certainly we'll embrace this and whatever way we can in order to

[3:38:14] Voice 9: begin to continue this

[3:38:15] Voice 9: journey with you at the early stage here so um so stay tuned and so with that said sticking to

[3:38:23] Voice 9: agenda um our work program items there listed just mostly for our information i don't think we're

[3:38:29] Voice 9: going to delve into that today and our next meeting is uh going to be march the

[3:38:34] Voice 13: 30th 10 30

[3:38:36] Voice 13: that's one of the location again

[3:38:37] Voice 3: so peter it says on the agenda that it's actually a behavior oh

[3:38:43] Voice 3: it's up in shape

[3:38:46] Voice 3: So that's fine.

[3:38:48] Voice 3: March what?

[3:38:49] Voice 3: Korea.

[3:38:51] Voice 3: And so we'll look forward to seeing you all here again.

[3:38:54] Voice 3: We'll be looking forward to seeing you at the chat.

[3:38:56] Voice 3: And we'll go from there.

[3:38:58] Voice 3: So as a developer of the business today,

[3:39:01] Voice 3: let me talk about the meeting in turn.

[3:39:04] Voice 3: Thank you all for being here.

[3:39:05] Voice 3: Thank you for having us.

[3:39:07] Voice 5: Thank you for having us.

[3:39:08] Voice 5: That next meeting is just a regular LTC meeting.

[3:39:12] Voice 5: Regular LTC.

[3:39:12] Voice 12: so

[3:39:13] Voice 5: we're not inviting us all to come in the same context that

[3:39:16] Voice 12: we did today

[3:39:17] Voice 5: no stay away from

[3:39:18] Voice 12: meetings if you can help us and actually

[3:39:22] Voice 9: thank you to narissa for kicking us off

[3:39:28] Voice 1: i'm

[3:39:29] Voice 9: going to tune you out there around there so thank

[3:39:33] Voice 1: you okay thank you

[3:39:43] Voice 3: So,

[3:39:43] Voice 10: thank you.