Islands Trust Council special meeting, February 25, 2023

[0:00:00] Trustee Maude: thank you everybody sorry for the delay we had a little technical glitch but

[0:00:03] Trustee Maude: we have some very smart people who got us fixed so great so good afternoon thank you for joining

[0:00:08] Trustee Maude: us today for the electronic special meeting of the pen around local trust committee um i want

[0:00:14] Trustee Maude: to begin by acknowledging that we are fortunate to be able to gather today in the locations across

[0:00:17] Trustee Maude: the traditional territory of the coast salish people i'm david mod from main island i'm the

[0:00:24] Trustee Maude: chair of the pendrive local trust committee appointed by uh chair um i'm joined today by

[0:00:30] Trustee Maude: your two pendrive island trustees aaron campbell and deb morrison together we make up a local

[0:00:36] Trustee Maude: pendrive local trust committee um this means being live streamed it is also being recorded

[0:00:41] Trustee Maude: and will be available on the alice trust website um we have some staff members here today um

[0:00:47] Trustee Maude: robin elchuk is our facilitator who actually got us live streaming today despite some technical

[0:00:53] Trustee Maude: difficulties and kim stockville is our planner for on this project who i understand is leaving us

[0:01:01] Trustee Maude: from pender island to take on other projects so this is her last sort of kick in the cat last

[0:01:07] Trustee Maude: so she's seeing this project through to the end um and just for this is this is meeting as an

[0:01:14] Trustee Maude: official forum pre-local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters to

[0:01:19] Trustee Maude: discuss relative business i want to add this is placement employment despite the fact many

[0:01:23] Trustee Maude: staff in their own homes our staff the right to a safe and respectful workplace so i do appreciate

[0:01:28] Trustee Maude: that um our first thing to do is uh approval of the agenda um by consensus and we're doing

[0:01:38] Trustee Maude: that that's done um and so our first brief business item hopefully is the island trust

[0:01:44] Trustee Maude: budgeting for the 2023-24 fiscal year um there's a electronic package that was provided

[0:01:52] Trustee Maude: and so deb you sort of want to start off the discussion yeah

[0:01:56] Voice 2: i think the we wanted to put

[0:01:58] Voice 2: this on um so we wanted to start the discussion with the budget because um both aaron and i and

[0:02:06] Voice 2: they do have to go to the trust council in march and we want to hear from you what you're thinking

[0:02:12] Voice 2: about the budget pieces if you've had a chance to look at it we also want to encourage every

[0:02:17] Voice 2: one of you to submit comments to the budget um because it's really helpful to have written

[0:02:24] Voice 2: feedback to the budget all right so please make sure no matter what you say today that you also

[0:02:29] Voice 2: just shoot an email um and i believe i put all the information in my pender post about who to

[0:02:34] Voice 2: email to for the budget so please be sure to email in about the budget um there's 26 counselors at

[0:02:40] Voice 2: trust council and the budget will be finalized in in um march at the trust council meeting so

[0:02:47] Voice 2: we really want to hear what you have to say all right so anybody want to speak just to

[0:02:52] Voice 2: the budget to begin with and this is the trust council budget

[0:02:55] Voice 10: pros

[0:02:58] Voice 2: or cons where was it

[0:03:01] Voice 2: we we

[0:03:02] Voice 2: didn't get it with the package no it wouldn't have come with this package for the meeting it's on the

[0:03:08] Voice 2: the trust council website and i i've um i think i've linked directly to the budget in the pender

[0:03:12] Voice 2: post so the pender post that went out for this next month is directly there and i think i linked

[0:03:17] Voice 2: to it last month too

[0:03:18] Trustee Maude: if you went online and you looked at what what the agenda is the link is

[0:03:23] Trustee Maude: actually there so if you if you if you clicked on financial planning committee package it would

[0:03:28] Trustee Maude: take you to the island's trust website yes we don't

[0:03:33] Voice 5: make it easy it wasn't in the information

[0:03:40] Voice 5: So, it's not, it's good that it's there and I'll review it.

[0:03:45] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:03:46] Voice 5: One comment.

[0:03:47] Voice 5: Can you repeat the name, please?

[0:03:49] Voice 5: Ed Stoyster.

[0:03:52] Voice 5: I'm a permanent resident, I've been here 11 years, and my comment is that I hope that

[0:03:59] Voice 5: there's sufficient money put aside for legal opinions on important documents like the policy

[0:04:05] Voice 5: statement and the bylaw review and questions that come up, like the DAPs or countries.

[0:04:13] Voice 5: So I want to, in my view, it's very much accomplished to rely only on staff when it

[0:04:21] Voice 5: comes to these types of

[0:04:22] Voice 2: issues. Thank you. And Joyce, can you just name the ones that you think

[0:04:31] Voice 2: are particularly relevant to have legal opinions on again? The

[0:04:34] Voice 2: planning bylaw

[0:04:36] Voice 5: 224,

[0:04:37] Voice 5: The issue of whether or not a DAP should go for trees on the island.

[0:04:44] Voice 5: Issues like interpretation of the bylaw that we had some issues with.

[0:04:50] Voice 5: So particularly, I want staff to be able to go to legal counsel when they have questions,

[0:04:58] Voice 5: that they shouldn't just have to rely on the information that comes in from the applicant,

[0:05:03] Voice 5: can but they should be able to go to the council if there's any concerns thank you anyone else

[0:05:12] Voice 4: uh michael sketch north pender island um we're in uh a three term review of the trust policy

[0:05:23] Voice 4: statement across council for the for the trust area rather um and there is a substantive um

[0:05:31] Voice 9: objection in my opinion to at least the uh structure of the trust policy statement which

[0:05:38] Voice 9: has been in place for 30 years uh council has authorized expenditure of

[0:05:43] Voice 4: roughly 1 000 hours

[0:05:45] Voice 4: of staff time and 75 000 dollars of opinion getting and there is another opinion-getting

[0:05:52] Voice 9: session coming up together for which the budget and council has not yet sat down to determine

[0:06:01] whether or not the structure of the current module 1993 is sound whether one could or can

[0:06:13] under the act and it should delegate the implementation of trust area

[0:06:18] Voice 4: policies to

[0:06:19] Voice 4: to the local trust committee, yes or no,

[0:06:21] Voice 4: that fundamental issue has not been addressed.

[0:06:24] Voice 4: Whether or not it serves the,

[0:06:26] Voice 4: is the most reasonable way of serving the trust audit.

[0:06:30] Voice 4: These are very basic questions,

[0:06:32] Voice 4: and yet the taxpayer and your time as councillors

[0:06:38] Voice 4: has been extended enormously on a 30-year-old approach,

[0:06:45] Voice 4: which I think is fundamentally so I

[0:06:50] Trustee Maude: registered my objection to that and backtrack on any

[0:06:53] Trustee Maude: further expenditure until you address the fundamentals based on the wording of the act.

[0:06:59] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[0:07:00] Trustee Maude: Thanks.

[0:07:01] Trustee Maude: Anybody else on the budget?

[0:07:05] Voice 10: Mr. Koki.

[0:07:06] Voice 4: Chair, I just want to thank all the trustees for the job.

[0:07:11] Voice 4: It's a very, very challenging job.

[0:07:17] Voice 4: i just want to mention uh from my experience last term uh there was a lot of um kind of going at 10

[0:07:26] grand here 60 grand here and 30 grand

[0:07:29] Voice 4: here and i'm actually more concerned um not about the financial

[0:07:33] budget but about the governance committee and it being properly funded um my understanding is that

[0:07:41] that I can read some of the documents,

[0:07:43] that

[0:07:44] Voice 4: I'm worried that the governance,

[0:07:45] Voice 4: which is the heart of the challenge that the trust faces,

[0:07:48] the governance needs to be restructured and managed trust.

[0:07:51] It's not working effectively,

[0:07:53] Voice 4: and that is something that trust

[0:07:54] Voice 4: has agreed upon at trust council.

[0:07:56] Voice 4: I'm concerned that the budget is not being properly allocated

[0:07:59] Voice 4: to properly fund that governance committee.

[0:08:01] Voice 4: So asking for maybe consultants,

[0:08:04] Voice 4: even making sure that that's a big part of the budget,

[0:08:08] it should be the focus rather than like,

[0:08:10] well we don't want the owl study

[0:08:11] Voice 4: or man that sure is a waste of time the heritage whatever you know

[0:08:16] Voice 4: um so just make sure that you're advocating i'm sure that that governance committee

[0:08:19] Voice 4: doesn't get stand-in you know like the standard report but you know and really it can make a

[0:08:26] Voice 4: difference if you start throwing money at that day so i know you guys know this i just wanted

[0:08:30] Voice 4: to publicly make that a little bit interactive

[0:08:31] Trustee Maude: so thanks for listening thank you anybody else

[0:08:36] Trustee Maude: on the budget issue all right well thank you very much and i take it we'll move on to the

[0:08:45] Trustee Maude: the meat of the thing which is the land use uh bylaw review project uh trustee morrison's asked

[0:08:51] Trustee Maude: if the trustees can sort of make a a little bit of a statement before we get to the staff

[0:08:56] Trustee Maude: um i guess she wants to get a little bit of history and such yeah yeah and

[0:09:01] Voice 2: i think we the

[0:09:03] Voice 2: TAB, The goal of our conversation today with the land use by law is to walk through a couple different areas to really have some conversation around them to hear from you about what you're thinking around those.

[0:09:13] Voice 2: TAB, But I do want to situate that conversation in the fact that there has been like and Kim you know the numbers better but like three three and a half years of conversation on this project, the reason it wasn't carried through.

[0:09:25] Voice 2: to finalization last fall was because there was a couple areas where we just didn't feel like there

[0:09:30] Voice 2: was enough consensus or enough kind of agreement um and we didn't want to rush it before the

[0:09:36] Voice 2: election um so we're trying to figure out what those areas are specifically and make sure that

[0:09:41] Voice 2: there's closer to some form of it's not we're never going to have 100 consensus i don't think

[0:09:46] Voice 2: but at least to try and get closer to that um and so to identify which areas are still

[0:09:50] Voice 2: still rubs for people would be extremely helpful, and details, so it'd be really clear to be specific about things that are working or things that are not working.

[0:10:04] Voice 2: No,

[0:10:05] Voice 4: I just, I appreciate everybody coming out to sort of have a say again I know there's a lot of feedback that people feel they've already said it once or twice or three times and I just, I know for myself and for

[0:10:17] Voice 4: david it's really important to actually get to have face time talks with people about about things

[0:10:23] Voice 4: that they're concerned about as opposed to i've got a ton of emails and letters uh over the last

[0:10:29] Voice 4: couple of weeks but but to really actually connect with people and to understand a little bit deeper

[0:10:35] Voice 4: what their concerns are is important so thank you for coming out again and

[0:10:40] Voice 2: i think it would also be

[0:10:40] Voice 2: helpful because there's you know two-thirds of the the lpc has shifted it'd be very helpful for you

[0:10:46] Voice 2: if you're really adamant about particular things staying right like you don't have to only name

[0:10:51] Voice 2: concerns you can name things that you want to keep that are in the current bylaws or in the suggested

[0:10:56] Voice 2: changes um so that it's clear about which

[0:10:59] Voice 6: things you have agreed we have agreement with that would

[0:11:02] Voice 6: be helpful too thank

[0:11:05] Trustee Maude: you so we'll hand it over to dr doctor on

[0:11:13] Voice 9: this stuff thank you everyone for

[0:11:15] Voice 9: coming today this is um number 12 13 14 15 cim for this project um some of these slides you may

[0:11:24] Voice 9: have seen before but again this is another community information meeting where you're

[0:11:29] Voice 9: able to ask questions to the

[0:11:31] Voice 9: ltc for clarification or you can also um state your opinion on the

[0:11:37] Voice 9: matter um the public hearing i know a lot of people are asking what's the difference between

[0:11:41] Voice 9: between a community information meeting, a CIM,

[0:11:44] Voice 9: and a public hearing.

[0:11:46] Voice 9: The public hearing is when you get your official

[0:11:49] Voice 9: or your opinion on the public record.

[0:11:52] Voice 9: So it's the official document if you say,

[0:11:54] Voice 9: yes, I support the bylaws for this reason,

[0:11:57] Voice 9: or no, I don't support the bylaws for this reason.

[0:12:00] Voice 9: A CIM is more of an informal community meeting

[0:12:03] Voice 9: where you can ask questions as well.

[0:12:07] Voice 9: So just to give you a bit of a glimpse

[0:12:09] Voice 9: of what has happened in the last six months,

[0:12:11] Voice 9: the three bylaws were given first reading back in may of last year we had two electronic cims which

[0:12:18] Voice 9: are on the project's webpage and we also had a in-person cim and sorry for those people who are

[0:12:26] Voice 9: following along along online i'll try to speak loudly so you can hear me the slides are also

[0:12:31] Voice 9: posted on the website currently so you can follow along and they're under public

[0:12:38] Voice 9: community consultation, I believe. And so going back to the slides, in September of last year,

[0:12:45] Voice 9: the bylaws were good in second reading. And there was direction from the LTC to stop to schedule a

[0:12:52] Voice 9: public hearing. But as we all know, we had the elections in October. So the LTC decided to just

[0:12:59] Voice 9: put a pause on the project until after the election. So this project now has started to

[0:13:05] Voice 9: gear up again and in january so last month at the last ltc i put together a staff report which i

[0:13:12] Voice 9: don't think anybody can see i can't even see at the bottom here but it's worthwhile taking a look

[0:13:17] Voice 9: at because it gives a timeline of what's happened in the last three years i've summarized some of

[0:13:22] Voice 9: the major decisions that the ltc has made and

[0:13:25] Voice 6: i've also made a

[0:13:26] Voice 9: list of decisions that the ltc wanted

[0:13:28] Voice 9: to further have a conversation on so you'll be able to find that on the project website it's

[0:13:34] Voice 9: under january 20th 2023. so the ltc and staff had a special meeting on february 10th it was an

[0:13:44] Voice 9: electronic meeting and the purpose of this meeting was for the ltc to give direction to staff to make

[0:13:51] Voice 9: any type of final amendments to the bylaws or some of some amendments bylaws and our goal at that

[0:13:58] Voice 9: meeting was to bring forward the um a final draft of the bylaws that incorporates all the changes

[0:14:06] Voice 9: made at that meeting and in order to do that we had to rescind first and second reading for the

[0:14:13] Voice 9: bylaws and that's because at february 10 um the planner who's working on the groundwater groundwater

[0:14:20] Voice 9: sustainability project they hadn't actually completed the edits for the subdivision

[0:14:26] Voice 9: regulations so those couldn't be included in the february 10th meeting so that was the reason why

[0:14:32] Voice 9: of rescinding second and first reading it wasn't to unwind the project it was simply a technical

[0:14:37] Voice 9: matter because it provides the ltc an opportunity to just kind of give a um an informal direction

[0:14:43] Voice 9: but to stop by resolution to make these amendments that i've included here so the ltc gave direction

[0:14:50] Voice 9: to staff to amend the bylaws to update the subdivision regulations added definition of

[0:14:56] Voice 9: composting facility allow a non-motorized bone storage and that is on the crd open portion of

[0:15:03] Voice 9: the property on magic lake or uplands to magic lake and to rezone 1200 and 1201 court washington

[0:15:11] Voice 9: road so a site-specific rural residential two zone but only allowed one dwelling unit and so

[0:15:18] Voice 9: So those amendments were put into the draft bylaws.

[0:15:24] Voice 9: What do I have?

[0:15:25] Voice 9: Oh, yes, I've linked in.

[0:15:27] Voice 9: So on the project website under other information,

[0:15:30] Voice 9: you'll see at the very bottom the presentation I gave to the LTC

[0:15:34] Voice 9: at the last meeting.

[0:15:35] Voice 9: So it helps you follow along of what decisions the LTC made.

[0:15:43] Voice 9: So I also wanted to let everybody know I know the website isn't the greatest.

[0:15:47] Voice 9: And so on the project website under, it looks like this is other information, that's where you'll see the black line versions of the old draft bylaws.

[0:16:01] Voice 9: So they are still on the website they're just tucked under other information.

[0:16:05] Voice 9: So I just want to quickly go over some of the hot topics that we've been hearing about in the last let's say two to three months.

[0:16:12] Voice 9: As I mentioned, as we all know, the LTC is considering establishing a maximum floor area

[0:16:20] Voice 9: in bylaw 224, and that would establish maximum floor areas for the RR1 zone, rural residential

[0:16:28] Voice 9: 2 zone, the rural zone, the rural comprehensive 1 and 2 zone, and also the agricultural zone.

[0:16:35] Voice 9: And so the maximum floor area of a dwelling unit is based on how large a lot is.

[0:16:44] Voice 9: And we've heard a lot, there's been a concern that if this bylaw does get adopted, and these maximum floor areas are established in the bylaw, there's concerns about legal nonconformity.

[0:16:58] Voice 9: And what happens if the bylaw says I can only have a 2,500 square foot house, but my house is 5,000 square feet?

[0:17:06] Voice 9: what happens if perhaps you know portion it burns down and there's a uh and i have to rebuild my

[0:17:14] Voice 9: house so we've added in this um this um regulation that states that you're permitted to rebuild your

[0:17:23] Voice 9: dwelling unit provided that the floor area of your new dwelling unit is the same size at the

[0:17:30] Voice 9: time of the vital adoption so you would be able to rebuild your house to the 5 000 square foot

[0:17:35] Voice 9: it. You wouldn't have to rebuild it with 2,500. The next item is the commercial two zoning. That's

[0:17:44] Voice 9: tourist accommodation. There's four properties on McKinnon Road that have this historical

[0:17:50] Voice 9: tourist accommodation zoning. And over the past few years, the LTC and the property owners have

[0:17:58] Voice 9: gone back and forth. And as bylaw 224 stands now, the current density you can see in this

[0:18:06] Voice 9: turk here and there is a proposed density to reduce the density on every single lot and so

[0:18:12] Voice 9: if bylaw 224 is adopted as is there would be a reduction of 24 tourist accommodation units within

[0:18:21] Voice 9: those four properties so there'll be a reduction of density uh the ltc is also considering uh

[0:18:29] Voice 9: rezoning the area around north pender to a water free zone the water free zone would restrict

[0:18:39] Voice 9: private docks right now the

[0:18:41] Voice 9: area around north pender is zoned water one and water one permits

[0:18:48] Voice 9: private dogs so the ltc has or staff has gone and looked at the maps aerial aerial photos and

[0:18:58] Voice 9: actually has rezoned every single property that currently has a private dock and also those people

[0:19:05] Voice 9: who have a licensing with the province but haven't got their license yet we've also given them the

[0:19:11] Voice 9: waterline zoning and so all other areas um along the water there would be resolved to water three

[0:19:19] Voice 9: and so the property owner did want to move forward and if this bylaw was adopted by law 224

[0:19:27] Voice 9: and a property owner wanted to construct a dock and the zoning was water free which restricts a

[0:19:34] Voice 9: private dock they would have to go through a rezoning process to allow that use so here i

[0:19:40] Voice 9: just have an example i show the water one zone you can see at the top that it permits for me

[0:19:45] Voice 9: point a it permits private docks and water

[0:19:48] Voice 9: three zone doesn't allow that use certainly have

[0:19:55] Voice 9: received a fair amount of correspondence with regards to stairs down to the foreshore by the

[0:20:01] Voice 9: number 103 so that's the current land use bylaw it currently allows oh sorry it permits stairs

[0:20:09] Voice 9: down to the foreshore within um 50 feet setback from the natural boundary of the sea

[0:20:15] Voice 9: so the lub has a setback regulation that states that no structures are allowed within the natural

[0:20:22] Voice 9: boundary of the sea up to 15 meters, except for some of these structures, and one of those

[0:20:27] Voice 9: structures is stairs. So stairs is currently permitted within that setback. But the LT,

[0:20:33] Voice 9: oh sorry, that is the current bylaw right now, which I know is probably possible for you to read.

[0:20:40] Voice 9: I can barely see it with my glasses on. So proposed bylaw number 224, what we would do

[0:20:47] Voice 9: is it would remove that exemption for stairs down to the foreshore and what that means is that if a

[0:20:55] Voice 9: property owner wants to build stairs if they don't have stairs on the property and would like to build

[0:21:00] Voice 9: stairs down to the foreshore they would have to apply for a development variance permit so the

[0:21:06] Voice 9: use is allowed it's just that it's the siting regulation so they would have to go through a

[0:21:11] Voice 9: process. And so this is a proposed bylaw number 224. And so here it states that no building or

[0:21:23] Voice 9: structure may be cited 15 meters upland of the natural boundary of the sea. And then the second

[0:21:31] Voice 9: section, this list lists all the exemptions from this regulation. So bylaw number 224 will still

[0:21:39] Voice 9: allow stairs but only if they are to a private private dock it wouldn't allow or sorry wouldn't

[0:21:48] Voice 9: the exemption wouldn't apply to stairs down to the foreshore as i mentioned previously there's

[0:21:57] Voice 9: been some updates in regards to groundwater regulations um there's the new there's been

[0:22:03] Voice 9: some definitions added there's been a sister requirement added and also the subdivision

[0:22:10] Voice 9: regulations have been um tweaked and this is a great opportunity just to let everybody know

[0:22:16] Voice 9: that on march 11th uh there will be another community information meeting specifically

[0:22:21] Voice 9: on the groundwater sustainability project and that would involve uh planner chadwick and all

[0:22:27] Voice 9: also william shulbaugh and they would be great people to answer any questions you have with

[0:22:33] Voice 9: regards to the groundwater sustainability project and also the regulations of regards to groundwater

[0:22:39] Voice 9: water in this um in this project so i'm going to leave it there um i'm going to plug again

[0:22:46] Voice 9: the email address if you want to send in any correspondence please send it to this email

[0:22:51] Voice 9: address if you do that it gets sent to staff and then i can ensure that it sets the ltc

[0:22:57] Voice 9: and also becomes part of the public factor so i will be pleasant there

[0:23:02] Trustee Maude: thank you planner stockton

[0:23:06] Trustee Maude: so i guess we're at the point of seeking public input it'd

[0:23:11] Voice 2: be good to take it topic by topic so

[0:23:13] Voice 2: if somebody wants to throw their favorite topic on the table first and we can hear people around

[0:23:17] Voice 2: that that would be the best way i think so we don't have like 10 000 different topics

[0:23:22] Trustee Maude: sir back missing your name please yes my name is george i want

[0:23:29] Voice 9: to make an overall comment

[0:23:30] Voice 9: it. I'm absolutely appalled by what I just heard. Absolutely appalled. We are adding things. We're

[0:23:41] Voice 9: changing things. We're changing this. We're adding this. What the hell is going on? We've been at it

[0:23:49] Voice 9: for three years. We want to have a conversation. There is a lot of material changes in here that

[0:23:57] Voice 9: affect people's property rights. They're being slid in here and there as we go. I just want to

[0:24:04] Voice 9: register before we go through piece by piece and let's identify whether we agree with this

[0:24:09] Voice 9: we agree with that that there's a fundamental structural problem happening this has been going

[0:24:15] Voice 9: on way too long little things are coming in agendas are being pushed through and property

[0:24:22] Voice 9: rights are being changed and i don't know and forgive me for not finding it i can't see one

[0:24:29] document that takes what we have today and

[0:24:32] Voice 9: black signs and shows me what we're going to have tomorrow

[0:24:34] Voice 9: and it's changed with every meeting.

[0:24:37] Voice 9: We don't have time to keep up with it.

[0:24:40] Voice 9: This is an abysmal process.

[0:24:42] Voice 9: And for me, it's a perfect example

[0:24:44] Voice 9: of job creation within the trust

[0:24:48] Voice 9: and for the services that support the trust.

[0:24:51] Voice 9: Because now if I want to build a set of stairs,

[0:24:53] Voice 9: I get to hire a bunch of people

[0:24:56] Voice 9: and pay for rezoning.

[0:24:57] If I want to put a dock

[0:24:58] Voice 9: into a waterfront property,

[0:25:00] Voice 9: which I don't have today,

[0:25:01] Voice 9: but I may want to in the future.

[0:25:04] Voice 9: There's a degradation of value.

[0:25:05] Voice 9: you there are very serious structural issues and before we start to debate the individual items

[0:25:13] Voice 9: now we're pushing in a groundwater thing it's in there it's going to be written in we're changing

[0:25:18] Voice 9: it as we go but we're going to give you some information in a couple of weeks

[0:25:24] Voice 10: this process

[0:25:25] Voice 10: is broken so it's hard to comment on

[0:25:30] Voice 9: how you might fix it in individual steps because it's so bad

[0:25:35] Voice 9: thank you thanks yeah so

[0:25:43] Trustee Maude: one thing is that we try not to keep away from the booing and the applause

[0:25:49] Trustee Maude: because sort of comments we appreciate the comment um one thing we're here this is part

[0:25:56] Trustee Maude: of the public process and and you've registered your your concerns not and we appreciate that

[0:26:02] Trustee Maude: because that's how we move forward is is that we figure out what's right what's wrong and how we

[0:26:09] Trustee Maude: move forward. So could

[0:26:10] Voice 2: I

[0:26:12] Trustee Maude: have

[0:26:14] Voice 2: a specific suggestion on how you would want the process to change?

[0:26:23] Voice 9: There was a suggestion in writing yesterday. There are a number of minor technical amendments

[0:26:28] Voice 9: that fundamentally don't change people's rights. Those things should just follow through. Now

[0:26:35] Voice 9: there's a number of significant issues and if we went back over the three years again,

[0:26:40] Voice 9: i bet we would see that the list today has been added to over time we should deal with these

[0:26:47] Voice 9: issues one at a time i know this nice talk about we should have a conversation these forums do not

[0:26:54] Voice 9: provide for conversation i'm sorry conversation happens in small groups doesn't happen in these

[0:27:02] formal processes and some of these things frankly

[0:27:06] Voice 9: the restrictions on waterfront properties

[0:27:08] Voice 9: seriously troubled. The way in which the industrial was talked about in the last term

[0:27:14] Voice 9: seriously troubles me. I've spoken quite a bit on the agricultural side. I'm seriously troubled by

[0:27:24] Voice 9: the way in which it's being turned around fundamentally and principally, and you've

[0:27:30] Voice 9: seen it in writing. I've done that. These are concerns that are specific, but I really wanted

[0:27:36] like to share the message that i'm having

[0:27:39] Voice 9: a great time to keep up with this and you're changing my

[0:27:43] Voice 9: property and i don't have time to keep up with and now we've got this long of us saying this

[0:27:50] and that and this is being added and i can't keep it together

[0:27:54] Voice 9: how this is going to affect

[0:27:57] Voice 9: that's my question thank you thank you

[0:27:59] Trustee Maude: sort of that

[0:28:00] Voice 9: mike we're dead uh i'd like to carry on

[0:28:04] Voice 9: sort of from where he was in making regards to uh the last trust session or season we started the

[0:28:12] Voice 9: waste management 15 years ago for a tup on port wash we were pulled pretty strongly by port wash

[0:28:18] Voice 9: they did not want waste management on port watch we spent the next four years being pulled they

[0:28:25] Voice 9: wanted us across the street when

[0:28:28] Voice 1: they finally said that they would give us a permit across the street

[0:28:32] Voice 1: they gave us a fine because we hadn't moved within five months since we moved there we spent the next

[0:28:39] Voice 1: four years listening to the trust

[0:28:41] Voice 9: tell us how they didn't want us there they wanted us back at

[0:28:44] Voice 9: fort walk i

[0:28:46] Voice 1: want to know why i get a fine for not moving within five months to a location that was

[0:28:51] Voice 1: bare land that we had to develop i get a fine but i can't give you a fine for the 40 years that it

[0:28:57] Voice 1: cost me now sitting over there and as it stands right now i don't even have tup over there because

[0:29:03] Voice 1: you made a study for four years about how port watch should be the industrial road for waste

[0:29:10] Voice 1: management and cement there isn't even any property over there for us to have done that

[0:29:14] Voice 1: but it took us four years i'd just like to see that the

[0:29:18] Voice 9: next four years we're still not arguing

[0:29:20] Voice 9: about where waste management companies should go on guys thank you sir i'd just like to make a

[0:29:29] Voice 9: slight correction to what mike has said he's only said four years i've lived on pender for ten

[0:29:36] Voice 9: the islands trust has not made a sensible decision on waste management transfer facilities in

[0:29:44] Voice 9: at nine years, not eight years, nine years, 15 years.

[0:29:50] Voice 9: And how many tens of thousands of dollars

[0:29:53] Voice 9: has it cost Pender Island Waste Management?

[0:29:56] Voice 9: Your decision making is clearly flawed.

[0:30:01] Voice 9: thank you sir waiting in the back

[0:30:08] Voice 7: if there's a fire that breaks out in july or august when we are tinder drive

[0:30:13] Voice 7: if we don't have the docks the stairs going down to the water because that will be our only escape

[0:30:20] Voice 7: we will burn with everyone else here we haven't had that thank goodness but if it happens we need

[0:30:27] Voice 7: a way to get off an island. The only way to get off is water. You can't have average ages like 64,

[0:30:35] Voice 7: 65. You can't have senior citizens trying to get to the next muster point to need to run through

[0:30:41] Voice 7: the woods because if this whole island is aflame, which could happen in the summertime, then we need

[0:30:47] Voice 7: to be able to get off. If we're restricting the docks, what we're doing is we're basically

[0:30:52] Voice 7: basically cocooning ourselves in an island that could be an inferno that is dangerous I think that should be a lot more more discussion because I understand you want to save the shoreline I get it but not being able to escape or getting the elderly off this island as much as you can there was a fire on Galliano only I think back in 2007 we just moved on to five acres on Houston Road we can see the smoke

[0:31:22] Voice 7: coming over it was tinder dry we were terrified everything we all was sitting there in the open

[0:31:28] Voice 7: and there's a smoke billowing and galliano's on fire if it happened on pender we would have

[0:31:33] Voice 7: burned with everybody else it's dangerous it's silly to restrict docks on an island or stairs

[0:31:40] Voice 7: to the water on an island we can't get to the ferry chino bay is another way out to get to the

[0:31:46] Voice 7: very well right now we can't even you can walk through it can you drive no you can't so there

[0:31:53] Voice 7: are certain ways that we need to be able to get off the sign the other thing i'd like to say is

[0:31:59] Voice 7: restricting the square footage on a home um i don't see what the relevant why would you do that

[0:32:07] Voice 7: right now we have a proper we have proper format to follow when we do by rollout you

[0:32:14] Voice 9: can only have

[0:32:15] Voice 9: a certain amount, 25

[0:32:16] Voice 7: % of your land can be under a building, you can't have more than 25%. If it's

[0:32:22] Voice 7: agriculture, I think it's 35. Anyway, we already have all this set. It's been sent back in 2008,

[0:32:28] Voice 7: 2009. Now we're restricting more and more. Like, I don't understand how you guys feel that we are

[0:32:35] Voice 7: going to survive. I was here, it's been 20 years, 20 years I've been here, and we finally have TUPs

[0:32:43] Voice 7: that cost people quite a bit of money and i understand the tup is there for a reason but these

[0:32:49] Voice 7: just regular rules that we have to follow when we buy a piece of land i've built we built two

[0:32:55] Voice 7: houses on this island did a big huge rental we followed through on all of our rules i don't

[0:33:01] Voice 7: understand why we are spending 10 million dollars a year with the island's trust to basically

[0:33:08] Voice 7: basically restrict us even more so that is the consensus on this other you know the last time

[0:33:13] Voice 7: this didn't go through it wasn't because we had an election yes we have an election it didn't go

[0:33:19] Voice 7: through because a lot of us lost our money we freaked out because of all the restrictions

[0:33:24] Voice 7: that you that's why we didn't go through sure the election was there thank goodness it came around

[0:33:29] Voice 7: we're back to square one now this is where we should have been and we should discuss this

[0:33:34] Voice 7: in a way that it's reasonable all these restrictions we're basically paying you guys

[0:33:39] Voice 7: to restrict us on our properties and if you get sued your lawyers that you're going to be paid

[0:33:46] Voice 7: to be paid is coming from our taxes it's just it's this vicious circle that goes around and

[0:33:53] Voice 7: everyone is really upset they're fed up they might not be here because honestly they're just fed up

[0:33:59] Voice 7: with the whole thing groundwater is going to be interesting on march 11th just like you know

[0:34:05] Voice 7: that's all thank you

[0:34:06] Trustee Maude: thank you very much sketch

[0:34:09] Voice 4: michael sketch another um another uh george larue

[0:34:14] Voice 4: fundamental um a

[0:34:17] Voice 9: concern about the land use while review and the ocp uh consequent those

[0:34:21] Voice 9: may review or amendments um we have a preserve and protect um trust policy statement trust object

[0:34:29] Voice 9: which

[0:34:30] Voice 4: I think many people rely on to be effective.

[0:34:35] Voice 4: And the directive policies,

[0:34:38] Voice 4: so the only policies in the trust policy statement

[0:34:40] Voice 4: that a local trust committee need to pay attention to,

[0:34:43] Voice 4: that's within the policy statement.

[0:34:46] Voice 4: And the direction is to the local trust committee

[0:34:49] Voice 4: to address the items in each directive policy,

[0:34:53] Voice 4: be it groundwater or whatever.

[0:34:56] Voice 4: But that is the essence of preserve and protect.

[0:34:59] Voice 4: without it there isn't really any that one can go to court on and

[0:35:04] Voice 6: the trust

[0:35:05] Voice 4: object is implemented

[0:35:07] Voice 4: in the trust policy statement so if that trust policy statement fails by delegation to the trust

[0:35:12] Voice 4: committee then the effect fails and the consequence of that is should be that in the implementation

[0:35:21] Voice 4: policy in the implementation policy of the trust for the policy statement it says that the the

[0:35:28] Voice 4: the obligation, positive obligation,

[0:35:31] Voice 4: for addressing the directive policies

[0:35:35] Voice 4: complies with the local trust committee,

[0:35:37] Voice 4: not staff, the local trust committee.

[0:35:39] Voice 4: So if it's not done, and it hasn't been done,

[0:35:42] Voice 4: there's been no review in the last 20 years

[0:35:44] Voice 4: that I've listened to, or any

[0:35:46] Voice 4: other of us,

[0:35:48] Voice 4: a review of which of the directive policies

[0:35:52] Voice 4: are addressed in the OCP and the LUB for each office

[0:35:56] Voice 4: this is a fundamental requirement without which the object just doesn't work or can be made not

[0:36:02] Voice 4: to work and i ask you to add that to your project charter because we've had a call for a rethink of

[0:36:11] Voice 4: this planning model review and we have two-thirds of you different and a lot of experience some of

[0:36:17] Voice 4: So they've been around.

[0:36:23] Voice 4: And those matters should be reviewed and addressed

[0:36:29] Voice 4: or give reason not to address them, which

[0:36:31] Voice 4: is the policy allowance.

[0:36:34] Voice 4: And those reasons not to address them must be sound.

[0:36:37] Voice 4: It needs careful thinking through,

[0:36:40] Voice 4: whether which the object, which is behind all of this,

[0:36:44] Voice 9: is ineffective.

[0:36:46] Voice 9: ineffective thank you thank you mr president

[0:36:51] Voice 9: i just wanted to address

[0:36:53] Voice 9: the doctrine too i guess

[0:36:54] Voice 9: something that works in the marine industry i spend a lot of time around the island

[0:37:03] Voice 9: just the common or the design of this island

[0:37:07] Voice 1: how many dogs are we really talking about

[0:37:09] Voice 1: could go in another half dozen maybe a dozen you know i live on another water and browning i've

[0:37:15] Voice 1: seen two of the dogs blowing

[0:37:17] Voice 9: out in the storm so there's

[0:37:18] Voice 9: only and i bet if i asked you guys

[0:37:20] Voice 9: number how many did you went out there and drew how many more dogs in a safe place a dozen maybe

[0:37:27] Voice 9: so we're putting a lot of effort into stopping maybe that dozen people that may still put in

[0:37:33] Voice 9: the dog yeah

[0:37:35] Voice 2: i'm going to respond so so there's a couple things i think we have on the table here

[0:37:40] Voice 2: but i do want to talk about the doc one because i think there are some like there's and it's related

[0:37:44] Voice 2: to the stair issue right so um so the the correspondence that we've had so far to date

[0:37:51] Voice 2: on the docs that was in favor of the dots um many of you have stated the reasons why we don't want

[0:37:55] Voice 2: dogs okay or why we want dogs sorry but the reasons that were stated for not wanting dogs

[0:38:00] Voice 2: docks are just concerns around habitat preservation or around First Nations having input into the dock

[0:38:06] Voice 2: procedure of the establishment on the foreshore. So those are the two big issues about concerns

[0:38:11] Voice 2: around docks. The procedure, we're not saying that we prohibit docks. It says that we would

[0:38:18] Voice 2: prohibit docks in W3 and you'd have to rezone to W2. That would instigate the conversation

[0:38:23] Voice 2: with First Nations and with community in a way that would hopefully resolve them.

[0:38:28] Voice 2: there has been an instance where doc was put in in the last three years i want to say um that there

[0:38:35] Voice 2: was not community consultation done and so that was a concern um i hear all of these things and

[0:38:41] Voice 2: i also know the other argument that's about to get thrown on the table if i don't put it on the

[0:38:44] Voice 2: table is that docs are the provincial mandate and so why are we even bothering one of the biggest

[0:38:50] Voice 2: issues there is that they are the provincial mandate and the province didn't see fit to

[0:38:54] Voice 2: consult community around that pros and cons about community consultation i know how ann feels about

[0:39:00] Voice 2: that right like in certain instances because it can be problematic so but i just

[0:39:05] Voice 2: wanted to name

[0:39:05] Voice 2: those are the things that we've heard in correspondence so far yeah

[0:39:08] Voice 9: but the community

[0:39:10] Voice 5: anybody gets to i know when they get them it's announcing newspapers and that's the

[0:39:17] Voice 5: that's the opportunity there yeah

[0:39:19] Voice 2: and i think because the covid coincided with the application

[0:39:22] Voice 2: of that. On their

[0:39:23] Voice 2: particular dock, there was a lot of chaos that ensued, and so

[0:39:26] Voice 2: there wasn't actually good awareness about the dock that did get put in.

[0:39:31] Trustee Maude: Okay, Mr. Boudin.

[0:39:33] Voice 9: Just habitat. I remember the one dock that went in and down

[0:39:38] Voice 9: Dr. Coleman a couple years ago, and somebody came in and said,

[0:39:42] Voice 9: oh, wow, it's a rockfish conservation

[0:39:45] Voice 9: area. Oh, the damage. As a commercial diver

[0:39:48] Voice 9: library for 40 years, I can tell you there's more habitat under every one of these docks

[0:39:53] Voice 9: than there is in the open space of water adjacent to it.

[0:39:59] Trustee Maude: Ma'am, you had your hand up first?

[0:40:00] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:40:02] Voice 9: Unless you want to go on about docks, because I'm going to take this.

[0:40:05] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:40:09] Voice 9: I do want to keep on docks.

[0:40:11] Voice 9: Just your name, please.

[0:40:13] Voice 9: Dorothy Murdoch.

[0:40:13] Trustee Maude: Dorothy Murdoch.

[0:40:14] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[0:40:14] Voice 9: and uh right now i'm representing uh hardwood management opens and driftwood center

[0:40:20] Voice 9: i would like to address the changes made or proposed for the city zoning behind the center

[0:40:29] Voice 9: um we have a c2 zoning up the back there where we've looked at different thoughts on what we

[0:40:36] Voice 9: can do with it from campgrounds trailer parks tourist accommodation i was approached a couple

[0:40:43] Voice 9: of years ago a year and a half ago saying that we'd like to add or we'd like to turn it into

[0:40:48] Voice 9: rental housing and my answer to that was well we don't really want to do rental housing on that

[0:40:55] Voice 9: zoning but if you want to add it as a permitted use don't have a problem with that um that

[0:41:02] Voice 9: conversation kind of dragged on we talked about what people do with a campground um

[0:41:09] Voice 9: So to cut a long story short, at the last meeting I attended, which I think was sometime last year, again, I was approached about the rental housing or diminishing the number of tourist accommodation.

[0:41:25] Voice 9: And I had to leave that meeting early and within, probably within an hour after I left,

[0:41:32] Voice 9: a proposal or motion was put forward to totally get rid of tourist accommodation on that C2

[0:41:39] Voice 9: zone.

[0:41:40] Voice 9: No conversation with me about it whatsoever.

[0:41:44] Voice 9: So we found that really quite shocking that that was done.

[0:41:48] Voice 9: So I would like to say that that should be got rid of.

[0:41:52] Voice 9: that you want to add rental housing to permitted use on city zoning that's fine

[0:41:57] Voice 9: but certainly you don't want to lose the tourist accommodation possibility

[0:42:03] Voice 9: because that's what we might want to do we don't know yet

[0:42:07] Voice 9: um my other thought is listening to everybody really wouldn't the best thing be just to

[0:42:15] Voice 9: get rid of the land use bylaw review project it goes back to the old values why why are we trying

[0:42:23] Voice 9: to fix it there was nothing really wrong with the old one and i just think get rid of this 223 224

[0:42:31] Voice 9: and 229 and let's just get on with running the islands trust the way it should have been with the

[0:42:37] bylaws we have in place and what we have in place thank you thank you

[0:42:44] Voice 2: on okay

[0:42:45] Voice 10: okay so

[0:42:46] Voice 2: just on the get rid of issue so the the pieces some of the pieces that are in this

[0:42:51] Voice 2: land use bylaw are actually implementing the ocp the ocp was not fully implemented and so like for

[0:42:57] Voice 2: instance we don't actually have anywhere on the island where waste management is is zoned and we

[0:43:02] Voice 2: really should as a community resource have some kind of waste management transfer so there are

[0:43:07] Voice 2: pieces of this project that i think are important to resolve the like 15 plus year issue that's

[0:43:13] Voice 2: going on like so i i actually think that throwing the whole thing out is very dangerous because then

[0:43:18] Voice 2: it just essentially creates all the problems that we're trying to resolve with this so i i hear you

[0:43:24] Voice 2: though on like which pieces to keep or not there's some conversation definitely to be had on that

[0:43:29] Voice 2: but i there's some pieces in here that are actually really important to resolve problems

[0:43:33] Voice 2: that have been clearly stated on this island for a long time

[0:43:37] Voice 9: good yeah just uh the risk of being

[0:43:41] Voice 4: extremely unpopular

[0:43:42] Voice 9: i'd just like to offer an alternative angle to this because i just don't

[0:43:47] agree with that i've never really invested we can just call the conversation out um

[0:43:53] Voice 4: and in fact

[0:43:54] Voice 4: the government's not used the government's not just excuse me can you please not have

[0:43:59] Voice 4: i'm just letting you know

[0:44:05] Trustee Maude: one person at a time through me please

[0:44:08] Voice 4: so and it's all good like we can have a disagreement

[0:44:11] Voice 4: and still have you know a good conversation right um maybe if i help explain the angle

[0:44:19] Voice 4: it's unresponsible provides the angle was not the evil government is coming for your property rights

[0:44:26] Voice 4: The angle was I believe in democracy that the local government should have a say in some of these issues.

[0:44:36] Why can't, I trust Erin,

[0:44:39] Voice 4: I trust Deb, I trust David, to if there is going to be something broadly, say somebody comes,

[0:44:46] Voice 4: and this is what the laws are created for, that one person that ruins it for the community.

[0:44:51] Voice 4: say some guy comes or girl whatever comes and builds this astronomically ridiculous dog right

[0:44:59] Voice 4: and it does happen in communities or say someone that does come and builds a 7 000 square foot

[0:45:05] Voice 4: house and i lived in the learning land and it happens wouldn't it be nice if we said hey we

[0:45:12] Voice 4: have the local representatives there to wait and say wait a second let's let's pause this because

[0:45:18] Voice 4: Because what's happened on self-tender is the last meeting,

[0:45:22] Voice 4: they have a law in place where the house size is restricted.

[0:45:25] Voice 4: And the two trustees from the three trustees

[0:45:27] Voice 4: voted to allow a big house.

[0:45:29] Voice 4: However, there was that chance for the local government

[0:45:32] Voice 4: to say, stop that one person that ruins it.

[0:45:36] Voice 4: So that was the angle I'm coming from.

[0:45:38] Voice 4: And I think what's happening hyperbole in a conversation

[0:45:41] Voice 4: is that the evil government is trying

[0:45:44] Voice 4: to stop you from doing stuff on your property.

[0:45:48] Voice 4: And I just, I don't, I don't get it.

[0:45:50] Voice 4: That's where I kind of got lost in the whole thing, guys.

[0:45:53] Voice 4: And fair enough, if you disagree with me, that's fine.

[0:45:56] Voice 4: But I thought for the benefit of the community, right?

[0:45:59] Because we've worked on

[0:46:00] Voice 4: cutting staff from,

[0:46:01] Voice 4: and trying to get rid of bureaucracy, right?

[0:46:06] Voice 4: Well, why, we did our best.

[0:46:07] Voice 4: And, but fair enough, if you don't think

[0:46:09] Voice 4: the local government should have seen this, fair enough.

[0:46:12] Voice 4: But I am worried about that one or two people

[0:46:16] Voice 4: that ruin the other can have the potential to ruin the island and if you think things are fine you

[0:46:21] know you guys have a decision to make to basically

[0:46:23] Voice 4: cut scrap it or not if you're not getting good

[0:46:26] Voice 4: vibes but i believe in the democracy i believe in the fact that our local government should have a

[0:46:31] Voice 4: say over these issues i appreciate that thank

[0:46:33] Voice 9: you so remember the fact

[0:46:34] Voice 7: yes sorry i didn't mean to

[0:46:36] Voice 7: technically, it comes up here now. So we're saying, if we're

[0:46:45] Voice 7: going to scrap this as the government is, you know, the

[0:46:48] Voice 7: boogeyman, we had an OCP plan, it came into effect in 08-09.

[0:46:53] Voice 7: We've all followed with many permits with variance, whatever

[0:46:57] Voice 7: we have to do, we did that. So now we're proposing that this

[0:47:02] Voice 7: OCP plan that we have isn't good enough anymore, because

[0:47:06] Voice 7: Because some people have a 7,000 square foot house somewhere,

[0:47:08] Voice 7: whether it was on South Bender or downtown Vancouver.

[0:47:11] Voice 7: Well, we have 25% of our property is allowed to be built, right?

[0:47:17] Voice 7: Agricultural land has a different percentage.

[0:47:19] Voice 7: Fine.

[0:47:20] Voice 7: So why is it that all of a sudden that isn't good enough anymore?

[0:47:24] Voice 7: Like what happened that, you know, we've done everything that we could

[0:47:28] Voice 7: and all of a sudden now more restrictions are needed?

[0:47:30] Voice 7: is this island gone to the point where we are at a you know i just don't see it i am out there

[0:47:37] Voice 7: every single day people follow the rules um it costs them a lot of money to follow these rules

[0:47:44] Voice 7: right it does i mean to just get out to a tup costs money if it doesn't approve or give you

[0:47:51] Voice 7: that new fence up because your neighbor wants a fence you put up the fence it costs you 20 grand

[0:47:55] Voice 7: all of a sudden your neighbor says you don't want to change my mind i'm like it is so now that

[0:48:00] Voice 7: that neighbor costs that individual a ton of money.

[0:48:04] Voice 7: It's the amount of money that we are paying

[0:48:07] Voice 7: to the items trust every single year.

[0:48:09] Voice 7: It seems to be going up.

[0:48:10] Voice 7: I've been here for 20 years.

[0:48:12] Voice 7: When I first came on,

[0:48:12] Voice 7: it was $3.5 million or over 10.

[0:48:15] Voice 7: So next year, is that budget going to get higher?

[0:48:18] Voice 7: Where do we stop?

[0:48:20] Voice 7: And why are all these restrictions

[0:48:22] Voice 7: all of a sudden have to be implemented?

[0:48:25] Voice 7: Because why?

[0:48:26] Voice 7: Is what's happened to the side

[0:48:28] Voice 7: that we need these restrictions?

[0:48:30] Voice 7: and that's what I don't see because I'm out there every single day this island is beautiful people

[0:48:35] Voice 7: come here from all over the place they can't believe how beautiful that's because we follow

[0:48:40] Voice 7: the rules but now that you want to restrict it and by the way we cannot survive without

[0:48:46] Voice 7: the tourism that's what keeps us alive you don't do anything that keeps us alive and we restrict

[0:48:52] Voice 7: them then we're going to eventually we're going to start shutting down and I was here during the

[0:48:57] Voice 7: recession. It was ugly. Five years ago, it was ugly. So we have to make sure now that people

[0:49:04] Voice 7: have discovered us because of the pandemic, we have to make sure that they still have a place

[0:49:09] Voice 7: to come to and spend their money. There has to be that element of it. That's it.

[0:49:20] Trustee Maude: Okay. We just have one week. We return to that, and then we're going to go to new people

[0:49:25] Trustee Maude: people and start moving around here so just worse yeah

[0:49:28] Voice 2: so a couple questions have been asked and I

[0:49:30] Voice 2: think it's helpful to just share some of the history related to that so first of all the

[0:49:35] Voice 2: question about um what is happening to the island that we need to do this I think that's an

[0:49:38] Voice 2: important question and I think we need to address that so we've seen uh a shift in some of the

[0:49:45] Voice 2: permits that are coming forward about um building and a shift in the complaints like the bylaw

[0:49:51] Voice 2: enforcement type of things of what's where the tensions are happening in the community

[0:49:55] Voice 2: and some of those are about the way that people are finding loopholes in the existing bylaw to

[0:50:02] Voice 2: build a building that is huge on a three acre piece of property that may or may not be a house

[0:50:09] Voice 2: or a barn it's unclear and so like that that has happened we are seeing things like um what's

[0:50:17] Voice 2: another one related to the restrictions okay so the rural character so there's there's two things

[0:50:22] Voice 2: that i think were named one is that we have an ocp and then we have an lub ocp is the community plan

[0:50:28] Voice 2: that's not there's no real intention to change that the um because that is the community agreement

[0:50:34] Voice 2: on what we want to see here the lub the land use bylaw is what's actually enforceable through bylaw

[0:50:40] Voice 2: enforcement and the lub was not fully implemented from the ocp so there's like little changes and

[0:50:47] Voice 2: and things that could better influence.

[0:50:49] Voice 2: So for instance, rural character is named in our LUB, okay?

[0:50:54] Voice 2: That we wanna maintain the rural character of the island.

[0:50:56] Voice 2: Well, what is that, right?

[0:50:58] Voice 2: Like, how do we understand our rural character?

[0:51:00] Voice 2: We have to look at it and say,

[0:51:01] Voice 2: well, if you mow every tree on a property

[0:51:03] Voice 2: and pave a bunch of it and build a house,

[0:51:06] Voice 2: is that rural character?

[0:51:08] Voice 2: I don't know, it's not why I moved to the islands.

[0:51:10] Voice 2: And like, when we hear different people talk about it,

[0:51:12] Voice 2: it's not necessarily why they do either.

[0:51:14] Voice 2: here when we think about the size of houses here right um and why we even get into capping house

[0:51:20] Voice 2: size 25 and there's stuff in the staff reports about this but 25 percent of lot coverage on a

[0:51:26] Voice 2: 10 acre lot is an enormous amount of buildings and you can say that we've always done this and

[0:51:33] Voice 2: we've always followed the rules but there are actually shifting like there are different people

[0:51:38] Voice 2: coming to the island too and so if you want to maintain rural character at the same time as you

[0:51:43] Voice 2: want to maintain property rights well then it means that you could have a 12,000 square foot

[0:51:48] Voice 2: house on some of these places and like there's you know if that's what you want then you need

[0:51:54] Voice 2: to write in and say you're okay with that okay so that we're really really clear about it so

[0:51:59] Voice 2: because that's your decision as a community but you can't like one person or like you know five

[0:52:06] Voice 2: people here can't say that there isn't another five people who've already written in and said

[0:52:10] Voice 2: we don't want that okay so we need to have documentation we and we have had a lot of people

[0:52:17] Voice 2: write in and say that they want reduced house size because they're worried about big houses

[0:52:21] Voice 2: impacting rural character on this island we have forest products i'm not making it up all right

[0:52:27] Voice 2: so what i need is if you disagree with that i need you to write in and tell me specifically

[0:52:33] Voice 2: that you don't want controls on house size because you think whatever property rights rule or that

[0:52:39] Voice 2: it's not an impact on the preserve and protect mandate or whatever it is you're reasoning

[0:52:43] Voice 2: but i need to hear it okay um i think that's the only clarification oh maybe just the dollars to

[0:52:50] Voice 2: get this done i need to separate the the conversation about budget from the conversation

[0:52:56] Voice 2: about the land use bylaw project and the reason i need to separate that is because um i am fairly

[0:53:03] Voice 2: adamant and have been working for the last four years in the trust around reducing costs and

[0:53:08] Voice 2: budget um and also i have we have not passed the fee by law to increase fees on this island because

[0:53:15] Voice 2: i'm not convinced that it's in any way beneficial for our community to do that the cost recovery

[0:53:20] Voice 2: from fees i'm almost wondering if we even should charge fees frankly for permitting because if we

[0:53:26] Voice 2: want people to abide by the preserve protect mandate there's a base question there about

[0:53:30] Voice 2: maybe we just make fees like there's a nuisance fee and that's it and then we just make you know

[0:53:35] Voice 2: know fees free for people to do permits because we want

[0:53:38] Voice 2: people to do this for the preserve and

[0:53:40] Voice 2: protect mandate and so there's an argument for that happening and that would eliminate the

[0:53:44] Voice 2: concerns about having expensive permits it still doesn't shift the issue about having professional

[0:53:50] Voice 2: because I had to do that on my own property I live on a riparian area and I had to pay it was

[0:53:55] Voice 2: like two thousand dollars for a professional biologist to come and you know weigh in on

[0:53:59] Voice 2: something that I could have told you yeah we need hay bales you know so I understand there are

[0:54:04] Voice 2: problems but um that conversation is also going on in trust so we're trying to resolve that and

[0:54:11] Voice 2: make it so that it's not on the people who live in the trust area to pay for that and hopefully

[0:54:17] Voice 2: we can get somewhere on that because frankly the province should be paying their weight for

[0:54:22] Voice 2: the trust so thank you

[0:54:25] Voice 9: i just want to make a two clarifications so dorothy just to confirm with you

[0:54:29] Voice 9: use the portion of property still has the commercial to zoning it's just the tourist

[0:54:35] Voice 9: accommodation use that isn't permitted the campground is still permitted and all the other

[0:54:41] Voice 9: accessory uses it's just a tourist accommodation use was removed but that was done with no

[0:54:47] Voice 9: consultation whatsoever i just wanted to put that out there and the next item uh for mike uh so

[0:54:55] Voice 9: So part of bylaw 223-229 does actually rezone the portion there where you have the TUP to

[0:55:03] Voice 9: allow the uses that is allowed by the TUP.

[0:55:06] Voice 9: Please move forward.

[0:55:07] Voice 9: Can I just throw one in here then if we're going to talk about that portion?

[0:55:11] Voice 9: And it relates back to our other piece of property, the boat storage.

[0:55:14] Voice 9: You put the word only in there, which restricts just about anything I could do there when

[0:55:19] Voice 9: it comes to waste management other than transferring.

[0:55:21] Voice 9: That word only is a dangerous word that you're using.

[0:55:25] Voice 9: it comes to the boat storage i can't do anything he didn't want me to put a power

[0:55:29] Voice 1: pole in and charge

[0:55:30] Voice 1: the battery on one of the boats so when it comes to this property accessory uses if george gets me

[0:55:37] Voice 1: a bin from me and he puts two lovely chairs in there i'd like to take them back to the yard

[0:55:41] Voice 1: and what a shame to throw those in there should an accessory use

[0:55:45] Voice 9: be perhaps that i'm allowed to

[0:55:47] Voice 9: to have a new to me store or old to you store or something.

[0:55:53] Voice 9: Yeah, we need that clarification. So we did the

[0:55:56] Voice 9: LTC did amend by law 224. So it states that only uses

[0:56:00] Voice 9: permitted in this location is covered both storage and

[0:56:04] Voice 9: accessory buildings and structures.

[0:56:09] Voice 9: Now Aaron probably wants to vote up there. Can we please

[0:56:11] Voice 9: vote

[0:56:11] Voice 1: on the air? Why are you doing the engine? Do you clean

[0:56:16] Voice 1: the boat at all do you do any of that to

[0:56:18] Voice 9: the boat or do you just park that thing leave it for a year

[0:56:20] Voice 9: and expect to put it back in the water and have a look you know boats take accessory is probably

[0:56:27] Voice 9: more than most things on this island so

[0:56:30] Voice 1: uh not having a battery charger or somebody tuning the

[0:56:33] Voice 9: engine or i guess the list goes on and on when it comes to a boat uh accessory uses are mandatory

[0:56:39] Voice 9: for it you can't form it without access certainly make that request to the ltc to make and make

[0:56:47] Voice 9: but the

[0:56:50] Voice 1: problem is it goes up there it's heard and then when you come back and show

[0:56:54] Voice 9: me that it

[0:56:55] Voice 9: hasn't been shown you have heard us say that we did this

[0:56:59] Trustee Maude: six months ago

[0:57:00] Voice 9: this was direction from

[0:57:01] Voice 9: the ltc

[0:57:02] Trustee Maude: so to be clear just because you say doesn't mean it's done it is every time that

[0:57:09] Trustee Maude: you make a request at some point we have to make a motion going okay we want we want accessory uses

[0:57:15] Trustee Maude: on that so until you hear those words out of our mouths keep yelling at us so

[0:57:20] Voice 2: yeah yeah yeah but

[0:57:22] Voice 2: no

[0:57:23] Trustee Maude: no

[0:57:25] Voice 2: i'm not getting the debate i'm clarifying that it's it's confusing for our community to

[0:57:31] Voice 2: have it done this way so like so i think i think we need a synthesis from today of the things that

[0:57:39] Voice 2: we're hearing like so that we're clear what we're hearing and that um because there have been a lot

[0:57:45] Voice 2: of things that have gone back and forth because we get a lot of different feedback so and we're

[0:57:49] Voice 2: trying to get closer and closer to what is the sort of version of consensus um so one of the

[0:57:56] Voice 2: the thing about accessory uses I'm hearing is that we need to just go back and look at the

[0:58:01] Voice 2: list of accessory uses and consider each one of them and understand which ones should go in and

[0:58:06] Voice 2: which ones should. Well, and I think

[0:58:08] Voice 4: that this is a case of, and this isn't, I mean, it obviously is

[0:58:12] Voice 4: for Mike and Ann, but this has come up in other instances right now as well, where we have

[0:58:22] Voice 4: have common sense doesn't always apply to a bylaw and when you have that word only written into it

[0:58:35] Voice 4: or you have a specific use designated and enforcement sees something like that that

[0:58:42] Voice 4: immediately causes an issue for people where they come in to interpret and if they see only

[0:58:50] Voice 4: only they don't use the common sense to apply what would make sense in a boat storage facility

[0:59:00] Voice 4: or a farm or.

[0:59:03] Voice 4: And so I think that that we need to be super careful about how we define things and make

[0:59:09] Voice 4: sure that we cover the basis so that if we're going to write it into a bylaw, it makes sense

[0:59:14] Voice 4: that the person can continue to use their property

[0:59:19] Voice 4: for what it is that we're rezoning the property for.

[0:59:22] Voice 4: And if we're not, if we don't support somebody

[0:59:27] Voice 4: being able to maintain their boat or something like that,

[0:59:29] Voice 4: then to say only is fine.

[0:59:32] Voice 4: But if the thought process is that we're rezoning this

[0:59:36] Voice 4: so that it can be used as a functional business,

[0:59:39] Voice 4: then it needs to be defined properly

[0:59:42] Voice 4: so that we don't put people in a position

[0:59:44] Voice 4: where your bylaw enforcement comes with fine okay mr burdett we'll give you one more kick at the cap

[0:59:51] Voice 9: and i guess where that word only and you know what would be included in both or is in the ocp

[1:00:00] Voice 9: anybody on this

[1:00:01] Voice 1: island can do both building and repair on their property yet a place that's zoned

[1:00:07] Voice 1: for it isn't allowed like

[1:00:09] Voice 9: back to the common sense yes i agree with you 100 percent okay um

[1:00:16] Voice 9: sir right here yeah um what is your name yeah my name is rob water i think we know

[1:00:22] Voice 4: oh yes for many many years still many many um i um i live on razor point road and i want to speak

[1:00:30] Voice 4: to the issue of uh dogs and stairs and that's why i'm here um i i want to make sure that my

[1:00:38] Voice 4: comments are recorded because i don't feel like i have to write a five

[1:00:43] Voice 9: -page letter i just here here

[1:00:47] Voice 9: Here I am, here's my input.

[1:00:50] Voice 4: I used to be, I was former trustee on Bowen Island

[1:00:54] Voice 4: many, many, many years ago.

[1:00:56] Voice 4: And in the 80s and 90s, we worked pretty hard

[1:01:01] Voice 4: to make the preserve and protect mantra work.

[1:01:07] Voice 4: And what I learned through that process

[1:01:10] Voice 4: was that it is absolutely vital to the success

[1:01:14] Voice 4: of achieving the mandate of the trust

[1:01:17] Voice 4: to bring everybody along have everybody on

[1:01:22] Voice 9: board with major changes and you don't have everybody

[1:01:26] Voice 9: on

[1:01:27] Voice 4: board with the changes around dogs and steps i can't speak to some of the other issues they're

[1:01:33] Voice 4: very heartfelt i but in terms of dogs and steps you're not there and and in in terms of how how

[1:01:42] Voice 4: we preserve and protect the rural character

[1:01:45] Voice 9: of tender and and keep it the special place we want

[1:01:49] Voice 9: we we have to keep carefully chipping away at things we can't be making major changes as i

[1:01:55] Voice 9: said without consensus or near consensus and on docs and steps we don't have it i haven't seen it

[1:02:02] Voice 9: and uh you know my point i mean a great point was made about safety um a couple of points that

[1:02:11] Voice 9: that you've made around the issues

[1:02:14] Voice 9: that are apparently the justification for these changes.

[1:02:19] Voice 4: First Nations concerned, I am a lawyer,

[1:02:22] Voice 4: I represent First Nations, I work for First Nations.

[1:02:25] Voice 4: You don't need a bylaw to create a conversation

[1:02:31] Voice 4: with First Nations about whether it's gonna be an issue

[1:02:34] Voice 4: or not, you don't need to trigger

[1:02:37] Voice 4: a

[1:02:37] Voice 9: hugely expensive consultation process.

[1:02:42] Voice 4: in order to be sensitive to First

[1:02:45] Voice 9: Nations issues in relation to a particular dock.

[1:02:48] Voice 9: We need to pick up the phone.

[1:02:50] Voice 9: And in terms of habitat, I guess we're lucky if this goes through

[1:02:55] Voice 1: because we made an application.

[1:02:57] Voice 1: We didn't know this was all happening.

[1:02:59] Voice 1: We just applied for a dock, and apparently we're grandfathered.

[1:03:03] Voice 1: That doesn't

[1:03:04] Voice 9: change the point I'll make,

[1:03:06] Voice 9: which is that as part of that process for applying for a dock,

[1:03:09] Voice 9: we've done plans we've had marine biologists we've had all sorts of things the province required

[1:03:15] Voice 9: yes it's less costly than doing a rezoning i don't understand why you would put something

[1:03:21] Voice 9: through a rezoning i'm going

[1:03:24] Voice 4: through a lot of process i'm happy to do it and if there are major

[1:03:28] Voice 4: habitat issues and there aren't in our application

[1:03:31] Voice 9: you know they would they would be flagged and and

[1:03:35] Voice 9: And in

[1:03:35] Voice 1: terms of the provincial mandate, I mean, so the province has the jurisdiction to legislate in areas, local governments, islands, trusts, federal government.

[1:03:48] Voice 9: We all have, you know, room to

[1:03:51] Voice 1: legislate, regulate, and so on.

[1:03:53] Voice 1: It doesn't mean we have to.

[1:03:55] Voice 1: You know, it isn't just, it

[1:03:57] Voice 9: isn't a vacuum that has to be filled.

[1:04:00] Voice 9: You have to very carefully choose where you want to regulate.

[1:04:04] Voice 9: And my submission to you is that this is not one of those areas where there's that critical mass and a justifiable need to have broad-based support to legislate.

[1:04:17] Voice 9: so in terms of

[1:04:18] Voice 1: docs and and you know i i don't see any justification for taking this measure steps i

[1:04:28] Voice 4: didn't i didn't realize until i arrived this afternoon

[1:04:33] Voice 4: you're actually going to ban steps somehow

[1:04:36] Voice 9: oh my god

[1:04:37] Voice 9: like and sorry you know what maybe i should

[1:04:41] Voice 9: be more more gravitas but i would say i can't believe it like are you saying to folks who

[1:04:48] Voice 9: own a piece of waterfront property oh no you can't do steps to the water

[1:04:53] Voice 9: you know and then you might have an exemption i mean steps to the water like that's how you

[1:05:01] Voice 9: bring owners and their friends in connection with the water environment preserve and protect

[1:05:07] Voice 9: protect enjoying the environment appreciating it like oh my god i can't believe that there's

[1:05:14] Voice 9: potentially restrictions on steps so i'm curious to know you know what what that involves because

[1:05:22] Voice 9: i can't the life may figure out and i don't i i say all this out of a sense of amazement

[1:05:29] Voice 9: i don't disrespect anybody who sincerely believes that we've got to restrict steps to the water

[1:05:36] Voice 9: you know but but but don't rely on first nations as the reason to do that because there's no

[1:05:43] Voice 9: justification that this type of extent of change is needed pick up the phone or these days pick

[1:05:52] Voice 9: up a cell phone or tiktok you can

[1:05:56] Voice 9: make you can connect with first nations

[1:05:59] Voice 8: i talk to them every

[1:06:00] Voice 9: day of the week and then in terms of habitat um i know that we have steps to the water so i guess

[1:06:07] Voice 9: their grandfather uh but you know we're we're

[1:06:11] Voice 4: responsible owners we love pender

[1:06:13] Voice 9: we're we're

[1:06:14] Voice 9: planning to reclaim some of the hillside we're we're doing all sorts of stuff you know but the

[1:06:20] Voice 9: point is that uh steps to the water are actually one of the reasons we bought waterfront property

[1:06:28] Voice 9: so that we could enjoy the water, bring our friends down.

[1:06:31] Voice 9: I've gone on way too long, but the only point I want to make

[1:06:34] Voice 9: is I want to register for everybody that's dealing with this issue

[1:06:39] Voice 9: that I am totally opposed to any rezoning requirements for docks.

[1:06:46] Voice 9: You

[1:06:47] Voice 1: know, just leave it the way it is.

[1:06:48] Voice 1: Same with steps.

[1:06:50] Voice 1: You know, just like don't, you don't need to always exercise your jurisdiction

[1:06:56] Voice 1: because you have to have to choose carefully

[1:06:58] Voice 9: and that's the way that we keep a consensus around

[1:07:02] Voice 9: keeping this wonderful place the way it is anyway thank you for listening thank you

[1:07:06] Voice 9: Joyce

[1:07:07] Voice 5: there again and I'm speaking to a specific issue that we have been addressing for the last

[1:07:14] Voice 5: six months and we've had requests in to deal

[1:07:19] Voice 9: with it so we've had some responses and some changes

[1:07:24] Voice 9: is made to the bylaw to address our

[1:07:26] Voice 5: concerns and specifically our concern

[1:07:29] Voice 5: is that an overhead accessory building was allowed on a less than two acre lot

[1:07:38] Voice 5: justified by the fact that it was supposedly for farm purposes and that was supposedly

[1:07:44] Voice 5: ambiguous enough to allow this building to be built

[1:07:50] Voice 5: we take issue with the interpretation but nonetheless we have asked that there be a

[1:07:58] Voice 5: specific provision put into both the existing and the new bylaw to address this and again we say

[1:08:08] Voice 5: there's no ambiguity about the existing bylaw but because planning and enforcement has addressed it

[1:08:16] Voice 5: in this way we are are asking two things one we went back and went through the bylaw and

[1:08:25] Voice 5: originally it was going to allow agriculture and agritourism in the rr2 area that was changed

[1:08:35] Voice 5: at our request and that was great however there still is no definition of farming in the act

[1:08:44] Voice 5: And also, when it comes to agritourism, it's inconsistent because what's happened is it says it can only take place on AOR land, but it also says it can take place on land that's zoned for tax purposes with farm status.

[1:09:04] Voice 5: And it's also allowed in our R1 and R2 lands, so it needs to be changed so that it's only

[1:09:15] Voice 5: on ALR land, and that's what the intent was.

[1:09:21] Voice 5: So I have drafted specific provisions in my letter of September 29th addressing these

[1:09:30] Voice 5: issues.

[1:09:30] Voice 5: So it needs to be a motion to change those provisions of the bylaw.

[1:09:36] Voice 5: And what we also want added is that there's a definition of farming that says farming is a farm operation that takes place on land that's sown for primarily pet.

[1:09:52] Voice 5: And that should be in both bylaws.

[1:09:55] Voice 5: So it's very simple.

[1:09:58] Voice 5: It's very straightforward.

[1:09:59] Voice 5: forward uh it was tabled last time my letter of september 29th because he wanted to have this

[1:10:07] Voice 5: meeting so you say keep at it well we're keeping at it and we understand that there's a difference

[1:10:17] Voice 5: of opinion on the interpretation and we ask for a legal opinion on this and we understand

[1:10:22] Voice 5: getting it we're very comfortable with our legal opinion but we understand that you are not

[1:10:29] Voice 5: not necessarily going to adopt daughters.

[1:10:32] Voice 5: But it's very important because what we have now

[1:10:35] Voice 5: is a situation where someone says,

[1:10:38] Voice 5: I'm going to have a farm plan.

[1:10:40] Voice 5: They're not even farming.

[1:10:42] Voice 5: They're just going to provide you with a farm plan

[1:10:45] Voice 5: and then any property from Magic Lake on

[1:10:49] Voice 5: can have an over-height accessory building.

[1:10:52] Voice 5: And that simply was never the intent of the act

[1:10:55] Voice 5: and that's everybody understands that so that what you need to do is make it absolutely clear

[1:11:02] Voice 5: so we have a definition of farm and you have the definition of agritourism too that isn't

[1:11:10] Voice 5: allowed in these other areas so again thank you for listening to us over and over again

[1:11:17] Voice 5: and we'll keep at it until

[1:11:19] Voice 7: we see it written into the final thank

[1:11:22] Trustee Maude: you very much

[1:11:23] Trustee Maude: I haven't spoken yet, so go ahead.

[1:11:28] Trustee Maude: Hi,

[1:11:29] Voice 9: I'm Leslie Kirkwood, and this is my son, Bud Kirkwood, and my partner, Stafford.

[1:11:34] Voice 9: We are relatively new to Pender Island, and we have two of the four properties on Kennon Road that are identified as a hot topic.

[1:11:45] Voice 9: So we decided as a family, we tried to stay relatively quiet.

[1:11:51] Voice 9: we haven't said too much but we have two new trustees now and we've been in the process for

[1:11:56] Voice 9: over two years um we thought it was really important that we talk about three things

[1:12:02] Voice 9: really to help you guys understand the situation we wanted to give a little bit of background

[1:12:08] Voice 9: we think the key issue is groundwater although the issues do change from meeting to meeting

[1:12:14] Voice 9: but that seems to be a full issue so we want to talk to water and the last thing we want to talk

[1:12:21] Voice 9: to is process the process that we've been through and there's another whole process that is available

[1:12:28] Voice 9: to us when we go and apply for growth through the development permit process so i'm going to touch

[1:12:35] Voice 9: with we'll try to be brief um i'm going to touch on a brief background and process and bud has done

[1:12:42] Voice 9: a lot of work on the water without a professional we haven't hired a professional yet because we

[1:12:48] Voice 9: don't know what our density is so he'll touch the water so first in background we had a family dream

[1:12:56] Voice 9: to have a small resort this being both of our dreams mother and son which was sort of ironic

[1:13:02] Voice 9: and we bought the property in april of 2021 we bought it directly from peter edmonds who owned

[1:13:10] Voice 9: this c2 zone weekly zone property we targeted it because we wanted legal zoning that was legal

[1:13:18] Voice 9: we didn't want to do therapy and be regarding a route which is sort of sketchy so we targeted

[1:13:24] Voice 9: the property we negotiated a deal with peter ellens a fair deal we bought the property based

[1:13:30] Voice 9: on 26 units of density we made a deal after we made the deal we learned about this review

[1:13:38] Voice 9: you and got unstressed and to be honest we were devastated at one point we had a letter telling

[1:13:44] Voice 9: us we had lost all our density we thought we made a legal agreement and bought this property

[1:13:50] Voice 9: we were devastated but as a family we decided to remain positive and to try to find a win-win

[1:13:59] Voice 9: solution for this and we spent the first year listening learning we had to understand the

[1:14:05] Voice 9: resort it is a complete state of disrepair we had no idea what the financial impact it was going to

[1:14:12] Voice 9: have on us everything was basically broken so we focused per year on the property we're trying to

[1:14:18] Voice 9: listen and understand what's going on on pender island and what the issues are and we want to

[1:14:25] Voice 9: respect those issues so we listened for a year we came to all the meetings we listened to the

[1:14:31] Voice 9: discussion after a year we decided as a family to give up almost half of our density and that

[1:14:43] Voice 9: was a huge decision for us it has financial impact of over a million dollars of revenue a year who

[1:14:50] Voice 9: knows what the impact is on property value eventually for a bachelor who lived on the

[1:14:56] Voice 9: property, run the resort, and may ultimately sell it one day. Who knows? The impact on the property value is huge.

[1:15:04] Voice 9: We made the concession and we gave up almost half. We went from 26 to 15 units on 1329

[1:15:11] Voice 9: and from 10 to 5 on 1333. We got it through. We had agreement. Our generalist offer

[1:15:21] Voice 9: was accepted and respected.

[1:15:23] Voice 9: We got to the second meeting, we were almost at public hearing, and then the election came

[1:15:29] Voice 9: and the trustees wanted to wait, but there was already talk of change again on that acceptance,

[1:15:37] Voice 9: so we were very worried.

[1:15:39] Voice 9: So here we are at this meeting, our second meeting has been rescinded, we think temporarily,

[1:15:45] Voice 9: currently. And I think I'll just quickly go into process and let

[1:15:51] Voice 9: that finish on water because I'm kind of leading to that. The

[1:15:54] Voice 9: process has been extremely difficult. As I said, we're

[1:16:00] Voice 9: staying positive and we want to win, but almost every meeting

[1:16:03] Voice 9: we've come to, we're hopeless and moved. And there are new

[1:16:07] Voice 9: shoes and new decisions and we find that we're not in the

[1:16:11] Voice 9: meeting. We had one meeting we were home watching on online and

[1:16:15] Voice 9: we watched our entire density taken from us and we were watching online we got in our car and drove

[1:16:21] Voice 9: to the meeting and we had that reverse thank goodness but there is there is not and i know

[1:16:26] Voice 9: there's been a lot of comments today about the process there is not a good process to get through

[1:16:32] Voice 9: this we're in it for two years i think it was on the table two years before there is a process that

[1:16:40] Voice 9: i've researched to the best of my ability when we decide to grow we have to apply for a development

[1:16:46] Voice 9: permit there are four bodies involved in that process islands trust is one of the first we

[1:16:53] Voice 9: have to do and we have to go with our water infrastructure system we have to show them

[1:16:58] Voice 9: and get it through by the planners and the evidence trust but the infrastructure is to

[1:17:03] Voice 9: support the growth we have to go

[1:17:05] Voice 9: to the provincial government we just recently as commercial property

[1:17:09] Voice 9: we have to have a water license.

[1:17:12] Voice 9: We have it.

[1:17:13] Voice 9: And when we grow, we have to get a new water license

[1:17:17] Voice 9: that shows that we have the quantity of water

[1:17:21] Voice 9: that will support what we're doing.

[1:17:22] Voice 9: We have to go to Vancouver Island Health

[1:17:24] Voice 9: to ensure that the quality of the water is adequate.

[1:17:28] Voice 9: And then we find out with the CRE

[1:17:31] Voice 9: that will let us know, they will look at our wells,

[1:17:35] Voice 10: we have

[1:17:35] Voice 9: to test, we have to hire a professional

[1:17:37] Voice 9: to put our rainwater catchment program in.

[1:17:41] Voice 9: So we have weathered these discussions for over two years.

[1:17:46] Voice 9: We have gone through this process.

[1:17:48] Voice 9: At this point, we're asking why.

[1:17:51] Voice 9: There is a very exhaustive process in place

[1:17:56] Voice 9: that we are gonna have to go through

[1:17:58] Voice 9: in the younger development permit,

[1:18:00] and that is the process we want to use.

[1:18:03] It's laid out, we have to get a license,

[1:18:05] There are precautions on all fronts, not

[1:18:08] Voice 9: just water, all septic, everything.

[1:18:11] Voice 9: So that's kind of, I think that is, I think that is, that's kind of our story, where we are today.

[1:18:20] And it, in all honesty, it's been very tough. Most of the people on our street don't look at us, don't say hello.

[1:18:28] Voice 9: It's, you know, we like, we like here, we work here, these guys are going to make a difference here.

[1:18:33] Voice 9: we want to be part of it and we're doing our best and we want to make sense to say that thank you

[1:18:44] Voice 8: i did want to take the opportunity because we haven't had um no like like she said like

[1:18:50] Voice 8: we don't want to really come to talk to us so i'm there every day i'm on the street

[1:18:55] Voice 8: um but i did want to take to take the opportunity to talk about a lot because

[1:19:01] Voice 8: i think we can talk traffic but the real issue

[1:19:05] Voice 8: is groundwater i think we all can point that out

[1:19:08] Voice 8: i think the

[1:19:09] Voice 10: first thing i want to

[1:19:09] Voice 8: mention is just a history of that sort well that property there

[1:19:14] Voice 8: it was 20 acres let's say it was 28 years way back but the acres just went up the hill and

[1:19:19] Voice 8: that hasn't changed at all the down below was all the same and they served service 44 guests

[1:19:24] Voice 8: they had a farm they had rose gardens everywhere they had a pool they had a tent well there wasn't

[1:19:30] Voice 8: that's kind of straight time so you can imagine the water usage in those times and and and that's

[1:19:35] Voice 8: what that property was servicing and you can see the infrastructure that they they had they had

[1:19:38] Voice 8: issues with that um for many reasons and i'll get into that but they haven't there's some really

[1:19:44] Voice 8: interesting things there that make this property unique in a water water um in terms of water so

[1:19:50] Voice 8: the first one is that property has a shallow well um which i think is extremely rare it's not it's

[1:19:55] Voice 8: either a spring like i said we haven't gotten professional advice on it but i cannot believe

[1:20:00] Voice 8: the water that produces it it's not beyond the spring mid-summer dry season i'm still getting

[1:20:05] Voice 8: two to three hundred gallons a day um 15 feet i don't think it's it's it's wild um we also we also

[1:20:13] Voice 8: have a deep well i know i read all the letters i'll just say that sure yeah peter and he's not

[1:20:18] Voice 8: that well at some point um i don't know what we can do about that at this stage um you know you

[1:20:25] Voice 8: you feel terrible about the neighbors but you know what i watched my one neighbor george

[1:20:28] Voice 8: um who was affected because i had a great relationship with george well guess what george

[1:20:33] Voice 8: did he went and looked at solutions guess what he runs on rainwater you know so i think um you know

[1:20:39] Voice 8: we don't want to put anyone in those situations i'm not sure i'm going to get to here um we've

[1:20:43] Voice 8: got the current water usage based on you know what canadian uses anywhere in canada and you'd

[1:20:49] Voice 8: be surprised it's a lot of water that i think it uses um with that being said we think okay we're

[1:20:55] Voice 8: estimating to use about 50 000 gallons a month which seems like a very large number and this

[1:21:00] Voice 1: is

[1:21:00] Voice 8: a worst case scenario number that we have to apply this

[1:21:02] Voice 1: is me for 100

[1:21:03] Voice 8: occupancy we you know

[1:21:06] Voice 8: the guests are they're all big they're flushing toilets they're having two showers a day like

[1:21:10] Voice 8: this is this is really high usage our laundry we use we have really high efficient laundry

[1:21:15] Voice 8: we're only using about 5 000 gallons of laundry and i've calculated that down that's very accurate

[1:21:19] Voice 8: um i've calculated my loads counted them you know that type of thing so moving on um you know so

[1:21:26] Voice 8: what what we're looking at here um i think going to the development side of our water um like we

[1:21:33] Voice 8: don't want to bring 100 people to that site it's just we we don't want that like that's stress we

[1:21:38] Voice 8: want to blow off you can see one bedrooms we're already restricted by 600 square feet we're not

[1:21:43] Voice 8: going to put six people at them like that's that's not what we want to do we want to put two people

[1:21:48] Voice 8: um and then going on to the next thing so this is this is our plan so we want to work with um

[1:21:58] Voice 8: winter storage and rainwater collection um and we have a shallow well which is very unique because

[1:22:04] Voice 8: that water you're probably you know for the most part of that water you're probably seeing a lot

[1:22:08] Voice 8: discharge of that water it's so shallow um but we want to um store two months of water which is a

[1:22:16] Voice 8: wild amount through the summer so we can make um basically the kind of you know july through

[1:22:22] Voice 8: september that we are sitting on stormwater this means that we're not we're accounting for zero

[1:22:27] Voice 8: rainwater catchment in the summer so another worst case scenario um this will

[1:22:31] Voice 8: allow us to

[1:22:31] Voice 8: store about 80 000 gallons um in well deep well storage and 40 000 gallons of rainwater on each

[1:22:37] Voice 8: building than the new building and adding old buildings so i know that sounds like a crazy

[1:22:42] Voice 8: thing but we're not also we're not going to develop this project we want to do it we're

[1:22:46] Voice 8: not going to build it all up but we're going to build in phases understand the feasibility

[1:22:50] Voice 8: you know learn from it you know and we're not going to tax our neighbors we're going to we're

[1:22:55] Voice 8: going to over develop our water program in those times so that we can adjust to it and move with it

[1:23:00] Voice 8: so um i think this is more um of the community hearing this like we're not here to drown to

[1:23:08] Voice 8: dry wells we're going to be smart we're going to be intelligent as we get into the process

[1:23:13] Voice 8: with the provincial government we will hire water you know um people to look at our water program

[1:23:18] Voice 8: and make sure that we actually do have enough and what we need to make sure that we do so um

[1:23:24] Voice 8: yeah i don't think i have much more than that i just i just want to put out the name we're not

[1:23:29] Voice 8: here to just pull straight out of the groundwater and drive the community like it's just we wouldn't

[1:23:35] Voice 8: do that anyway we that was stressed about running the resort like do you imagine not having the

[1:23:39] Voice 8: water for people coming to you on the other side of it and then the stress of your neighbors not

[1:23:44] Voice 8: having water like that's going to be the worst worst worst case scenario so i just thank you

[1:23:48] Voice 8: for listening i just i just want to know if we're coming out this is a solution-based

[1:23:53] Voice 8: solution-based process not a we're going to learn from our mistakes so um thanks for listening thank

[1:24:00] Voice 8: you so

[1:24:02] Voice 2: a couple questions um and some for you too kim um so first of all like have i visited

[1:24:11] Voice 2: the site yes okay just to be clear because you said nobody's come to talk

[1:24:15] Voice 10: no i'm not talking

[1:24:16] Voice 10: our neighbors oh okay okay

[1:24:17] Voice 2: um and then um i'm really curious like and i don't think i asked

[1:24:25] Voice 2: you this before did peter emmy tell you that the property was under land use follower review before

[1:24:30] Voice 2: okay so

[1:24:31] Voice 8: that did the

[1:24:32] Voice 2: realtor tell you there was the approach

[1:24:34] Voice 2: okay okay

[1:24:39] Voice 2: totally understand that it's super unfortunate that he wasn't frank and honest with you about

[1:24:44] Voice 2: that because he was informed before so so i just want that to be clear because you know and i know

[1:24:50] Voice 2: you guys are in a terrible situation as a result of all of this kind of

[1:24:53] Voice 2: situation so the other

[1:24:55] Voice 2: thing i think that is important to understand and why there's been this like toing and froing it's

[1:25:00] Voice 2: not that in any way that i am not extremely hopeful that everything that works out and that

[1:25:05] Voice 2: the resort gets built and like what however the issue is that the current zoning as it stands

[1:25:13] Voice 2: And I think we're all in agreement that like the proposed density is the version that we could go forward with right now, right?

[1:25:23] Voice 2: That proposed density is not even necessarily the low bar of what the density could be, right?

[1:25:29] Voice 2: Because what you could do is you could instigate a larger conversation with the community if you want more density.

[1:25:35] Voice 2: It's just that right now, as part of the, let me see if I can make this clear.

[1:25:40] Voice 2: Hold on a second.

[1:25:41] Voice 2: it's it's a super technical issue and it's it's an important piece okay so the issue is

[1:25:48] Voice 2: that if the zoning is left at the current density then some of the things that you're saying

[1:25:56] Voice 2: don't get triggered right so like like the idea that you might have to do careful water management

[1:26:03] Voice 2: management. Some of that is, it's not my understanding, and maybe this is the question for Kim, because

[1:26:10] Voice 2: what you said, Leslie, it's not my understanding of what the situation is if we left it at

[1:26:15] Voice 2: the current density.

[1:26:16] Voice 9: No, I talked to the head of the water authority for the provincial

[1:26:21] Voice 9: government, Western Region, and we have a water license for what we're doing now. The

[1:26:27] Voice 10: minute

[1:26:27] Voice 9: we grow okay we have to prove that we can provide the quantity for the growth okay so we

[1:26:34] Voice 9: have six humans right now if we stay at 26 and we go in for another 20 you bet we've got to get

[1:26:41] Voice 9: another water license it shows you can supply that's why i'm

[1:26:45] Voice 9: questioning why we're discussing

[1:26:46] Voice 9: it here without the professions yeah

[1:26:48] Voice 2: yeah so that's that's helpful to understand that if you

[1:26:51] Voice 2: up the density and turn not just the density that's zoned but the density that's built you

[1:26:56] Voice 2: have to change the waterways any

[1:26:58] Voice 9: growth triggers a new

[1:27:00] Voice 2: water conversation that's helpful because

[1:27:04] Voice 2: yeah because

[1:27:05] Voice 2: the way that it was explained to me before was the zoning

[1:27:08] Voice 2: is what triggered the proof of water for us not the licensing

[1:27:17] Voice 8: that's

[1:27:18] Voice 2: helpful for me to understand because that's like a small technical difference it's

[1:27:21] Voice 2: a huge difference in reality so that's helpful to understand um the other question i have is

[1:27:27] Voice 2: about the dpa so the dpa in the area i thought that was like for sure related isn't it no it's

[1:27:33] Voice 2: actually forming characters forming characters oh is it no there can't be a dpa for forming

[1:27:38] Voice 2: characters

[1:27:38] Voice 8: for commercial we do come down the stress for

[1:27:45] Voice 9: your step one in the when we go in

[1:27:48] Voice 9: for dp step one island stress you improve oh

[1:27:52] Voice 2: for dp sorry i thought you were saying dpa

[1:27:55] Voice 2: okay okay

[1:27:56] Voice 2: we

[1:27:57] Voice 9: require a development permit to develop our property island's trust is step one the planners

[1:28:03] Voice 9: and you have a whole bunch of special proof then okay so

[1:28:07] Voice 2: pause for a second so a development permit

[1:28:10] Voice 2: usually is instigated in the islands trust only when there is a development permit area defined

[1:28:14] Voice 2: fine. So I need to understand what is the development permit

[1:28:16] Voice 2: area. Because

[1:28:17] Voice 2: not everywhere is a development.

[1:28:21] Voice 2: Yes, does that it's the we just don't have that much. We haven't

[1:28:26] Voice 2: hit that before. Okay.

[1:28:31] Voice 9: Yeah, it looks like it'd be a non commercial industrial less

[1:28:34] Voice 9: forming characters. So what they look like making sure there's

[1:28:37] Voice 9: parking and so forth.

[1:28:39] Voice 2: So we have there is a develop. Okay. And

[1:28:41] Voice 2: this may seem like ridiculous that your elected official

[1:28:43] Voice 2: doesn't know this but frankly like if you were elected official you would have to go through

[1:28:47] Voice 2: the learning curve too okay so and we just haven't hit i have personally haven't hit a development

[1:28:53] Voice 2: permit related to

[1:28:54] Voice 2: marshall okay so so that actually is really important to understand too

[1:28:58] Voice 2: so the development permit for commercial would require them to come and talk to us about form

[1:29:03] Voice 2: character yeah i thought we weren't in the admins trust allowed to even touch form character we can

[1:29:07] Voice 2: can for commercial industrial zone properties not for

[1:29:11] Voice 9: right like single family residential okay and

[1:29:15] Voice 8: I think we have to put like just because I read it it's been a bit but I think we have the landscape

[1:29:19] Voice 8: plans that's going to affect native plants so that's

[1:29:22] Voice 2: what Dorothy has gone through I guess

[1:29:23] Voice 2: Dorothy probably is the best experience in the room related to that so Dorothy you had to do

[1:29:29] Voice 2: that back in the day for a lot of these planning things okay so water

[1:29:34] Voice 9: infrastructure is one of the

[1:29:36] Voice 9: things you approve okay so yeah okay that's why we're questioning why we're having this

[1:29:44] Voice 9: discussion now but there is the process well

[1:29:47] Voice 2: literally the reason is because i have like

[1:29:49] Voice 2: from my perspective i can't talk to ben or to the last to laura but from my perspective

[1:29:54] Voice 2: i actually had a misunderstanding about that issue because it's in commercial so that makes me

[1:30:00] Voice 2: feel a lot calmer because it makes it what it does is it allows the conversation that's necessary

[1:30:06] Voice 2: in that expansion and like if you decided to go to like whatever 26 units or something it would

[1:30:12] Voice 2: allow that conversation to be like fully had in a community with the which is exactly what we've

[1:30:17] Voice 2: talked about of like having you know okay okay well i'm way less concerned about that if we have

[1:30:24] Voice 2: the um the ability to check that through all the way yeah

[1:30:28] Voice 9: i haven't gone through the guidelines

[1:30:29] Voice 9: line so it can't specifically say if there's anything here without going through about

[1:30:33] Voice 9: the groundwater but generally it's about like what they you know for design okay so we just

[1:30:40] Voice 9: need total quantity of water but that will be captured through

[1:30:44] Voice 2: the province yes i know

[1:30:46] Voice 2: yes yeah

[1:30:47] Voice 2: yeah i know that the concerns that we have for the province that the concerns that have been

[1:30:51] Voice 2: expressed specifically on that area so we've had a lot of letters related to mckinnon and yeah and

[1:30:57] Voice 2: so the the concern that's been expressed there and that would be resolved to some degree with the

[1:31:01] Voice 2: water um like the when you have to actually apply for that you have to hydrologist and you know this

[1:31:07] Voice 2: i think as well as i do is that the concern that's been expressed is that deep disruption of the deep

[1:31:12] Voice 2: wells like related to the fracking is done up there related to

[1:31:15] Voice 2: this so that's the concern

[1:31:18] Voice 2: and when we're approving water and you know it's the province's concern to some degree they have

[1:31:23] Voice 2: to like figure out a better way to handle it but the um approving water one at a time without

[1:31:28] Voice 2: looking at the cumulative effect of the aquifer is the concern right so um because you know your dip

[1:31:35] Voice 2: into the pot is everybody else's dip in the region too and yeah so okay

[1:31:40] Voice 8: solution based like i think

[1:31:43] Voice 8: i think this is the golf in british columbia um that we get such less rain you know yeah but

[1:31:50] Voice 8: But there is very little solution-based thinking for water.

[1:31:53] Voice 8: I also met some people who have a sister in their property.

[1:31:56] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:31:56] Voice 5: Or,

[1:31:56] Voice 8: you know, like, we've got to look at the realism of where we live.

[1:32:00] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:32:00] Voice 8: Like, there are other opportunities to secure water.

[1:32:04] Voice 8: Oh, yeah.

[1:32:04] Voice 10: There just is.

[1:32:05] Voice 10: And,

[1:32:05] Voice 8: like, if it is going to continue to get through the hot, dry summers, which is what's looking like it's going to happen, we've got to be prepared as a community.

[1:32:14] Voice 8: And we're just an example of people that are going to take the first step and do it properly.

[1:32:18] Voice 8: early. But we're already Yeah, we sort of 7000 gallons this

[1:32:24] Voice 8: year. Yeah, I know. And

[1:32:25] Voice 2: you and I have talked about the whole

[1:32:26] Voice 2: water storage thing. And I'm with you.

[1:32:28] Voice 8: I just

[1:32:29] Voice 8: don't get it. People are going through a lot. Yeah, you

[1:32:33] Voice 8: know, in the dry times of year. So anyways, we're just solution

[1:32:37] Voice 8: based rather than one way to know that. So that's good to

[1:32:42] Voice 2: know.

[1:32:42] Voice 8: I think I think we're good.

[1:32:44] Voice 8: Yeah,

[1:32:45] Voice 2: that's really helpful. Thank you.

[1:32:47] Voice 9: It's not going to be folks here. It's expropriation without compensation and confiscation of property rights.

[1:32:54] Trustee Maude: I just get your name, please. I just get your name.

[1:32:57] Voice 9: Oh, sorry. My name is .

[1:32:58] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:33:00] Voice 9: And my name is .

[1:33:05] Voice 9: Perfect. Yeah.

[1:33:06] Voice 9: Okay. So it's expropriation without compensation, confiscation of property rights.

[1:33:11] Voice 9: it's there was no discussion regarding other options such as talk about brain wire catchment

[1:33:20] Voice 9: and desalination we've got a whole ocean at the doorstep and the whole issue with the neighborhood

[1:33:26] Voice 9: has been regarding groundwater and that's an easy fix so the question is why is this going on

[1:33:34] Voice 9: i can answer that okay you can answer

[1:33:38] Trustee Maude: it but i'll also explain this is where we're having a

[1:33:40] Trustee Maude: conversation now

[1:33:41] Trustee Maude: yeah this is the conversation yeah no

[1:33:43] Voice 2: no i think it's a good question so and

[1:33:45] Voice 2: the from my perspective the the and we have had that conversation to be clear like i have talked

[1:33:50] Voice 2: to the property owners about

[1:33:51] Voice 6: the one just just

[1:33:52] Voice 2: just let me finish okay so um but the the confusion

[1:33:57] Voice 2: that i have been getting advice on and different like from legally looking at this was that if we

[1:34:04] Voice 2: And this is the clarification that I needed, actually, was that if we didn't downzone it,

[1:34:10] Voice 2: that we could instigate the measures that you're suggesting, we couldn't actually make

[1:34:15] Voice 2: them ensure that they're happening, right?

[1:34:17] Voice 2: And so my concern is to ensure that we are using those alternative measures so that we're

[1:34:22] Voice 2: not stressing groundwater or that we're studying, like having the right professionals study

[1:34:27] Voice 2: the groundwater.

[1:34:27] Voice 2: But from my understanding of what I was informed on of the rights of what we can do in

[1:34:34] Voice 2: terms of ground or land use zoning was that we had to down zone it to be able to instigate that type

[1:34:40] Voice 2: of security for the community but what you're saying is that that's not because it's specifically

[1:34:47] Voice 2: commercial zone and that's something that i was unaware of so that's why it's been going back and

[1:34:55] Voice 2: forth i think

[1:34:55] Voice 9: they want the property so i understand that

[1:34:59] Voice 9: based on the assessment zone

[1:35:05] Voice 2: So that is actually, first of all, I can't answer that question because we haven't even decided what

[1:35:12] Voice 2: we're doing, okay? So

[1:35:14] Voice 6: I can't answer that question. And

[1:35:16] Voice 2: secondly, in the trust area, property rights

[1:35:19] Voice 2: are actually not, they're not the sole thing that decisions get made on. That is literally just the

[1:35:26] Voice 2: reality of living in the trust area the mandate of the trust act rules over individual property

[1:35:32] Voice 2: rights i completely understand what the situation is this is going on here and to get clarity is

[1:35:40] Voice 2: what we need we want clarity so you know how to move ahead and it's it's solid for you the fact

[1:35:46] Voice 2: that they weren't well informed by the previous owner that's that's a problematic issue but we

[1:35:53] Voice 2: haven't even decided here so let's not start talking conversation so

[1:35:58] Trustee Maude: and i think that's

[1:35:59] Trustee Maude: very important is that this is a process yeah and you know it is you in the acquisition of the

[1:36:05] Trustee Maude: property apparently we're missing for him you as a trustee it sounds like we're missing for him and

[1:36:10] Trustee Maude: this is why that's this is why we're having a conversation so we can reach a conclusion

[1:36:15] Trustee Maude: that's the right conclusion and and you know i i certainly i work in the water and wastewater

[1:36:22] Trustee Maude: water business and and certainly i do agree with with what you say about the province and the

[1:36:27] Trustee Maude: regulation of the water license like you want to build one unit you're starting from scratch

[1:36:32] Trustee Maude: and so and and like i just and that's why i sort of question why we as the islands trust are sort

[1:36:39] Trustee Maude: of messing into that provincial jurisdiction because you already have that that water oversight

[1:36:44] Trustee Maude: that is phenomenal i've been through the permitting process and it is expensive and

[1:36:49] Trustee Maude: is painful and and they kind of don't see where we're in that business but that's my own personal

[1:36:54] Trustee Maude: opinion so we'll move from there did you have a question for kind of stuff we must have talked

[1:37:03] Trustee Maude: through it no

[1:37:03] Voice 2: the dp that was just

[1:37:04] Trustee Maude: the dp okay doesn't

[1:37:08] Voice 9: the same principle apply to the c2 zone

[1:37:10] Voice 9: so why was the tourist accommodation taken away it's

[1:37:17] Trustee Maude: an excellent question and that's and it's

[1:37:21] Trustee Maude: on our radar because as i say this is not this we're not reading richard conclusion we're we're

[1:37:26] Trustee Maude: in a process of figuring out where we need to go so ma'am there hi

[1:37:31] Voice 6: diane custer so i have a question

[1:37:36] Voice 6: were were they not informed that you intended to down zone their density right that hasn't

[1:37:45] that you weren't informed about because

[1:37:46] Voice 6: it wasn't happening at that time right when you purchased

[1:37:49] Voice 6: yeah

[1:37:50] Voice 7: right

[1:37:50] Voice 6: so that's the issue is the down zoning that had nothing to do with what they were

[1:37:57] Voice 6: informed of by the previous owner and now that that understanding on the island's trust exists

[1:38:02] Voice 6: so then this will go away the proposed downtime now they've got i

[1:38:06] Voice 2: can't answer that today because

[1:38:08] Voice 2: that's a decision of the community

[1:38:09] Voice 6: but that's what i would expect because

[1:38:11] Voice 6: the explanation of

[1:38:13] Voice 6: why it occurred was you weren't aware that you needed to discuss water support now you are aware

[1:38:19] Voice 6: and part

[1:38:23] Trustee Maude: of the reason for this conversation today too is that aaron and i are new to this

[1:38:28] Trustee Maude: i understand and

[1:38:29] Trustee Maude: so so trustee morrison she's got the history we're really we're bringing

[1:38:33] Trustee Maude: brought up to speed right you're informing us as to where we've been and where we're going to go

[1:38:39] Trustee Maude: So there's going to be discussions, there's going to be meetings,

[1:38:44] Trustee Maude: and hopefully we reach the right conclusion

[1:38:46] Trustee Maude: in each one of these individual issues.

[1:38:48] Trustee Maude: So those

[1:38:49] Voice 6: are the answers to my questions.

[1:38:51] Voice 6: I think the other comment I want to make is,

[1:38:54] Voice 6: so the other answer to the question, why is this happening,

[1:38:57] Voice 6: is because there's an ill-defined definition of role character

[1:39:02] Voice 6: and that there's a shift in the people who are coming to the timeline.

[1:39:08] Voice 6: and i'm going to want some definition of how those people are different

[1:39:12] Voice 6: in that so

[1:39:13] Voice 6: the people that came here 40 years ago are different than people coming today

[1:39:16] Voice 6: so what does that mean people today don't care about the environment don't care about wildlife

[1:39:21] Voice 6: don't care about nature don't care about pollution how are we different than the people came four

[1:39:26] Voice 6: years ago did 40 people who came

[1:39:28] Voice 6: 40 years ago not have

[1:39:29] Voice 7: to cut down trees to build their house

[1:39:30] Voice 7: but we have to now. Did they not build big houses? So

[1:39:35] Voice 6: I don't know how there's a shift

[1:39:37] Voice 6: in the people that are coming and then how, you know, in this current example that these

[1:39:43] Voice 6: people need to defend how they're going to conduct themselves on a piece of property

[1:39:49] Voice 6: where the previous owner didn't have to for 30 years or whatever it was. So I just, that

[1:39:56] Voice 6: That I've heard again and again and again, that there's a shift in the people that are coming here, which I just, I find offensive without some kind of definition of how those people are changing.

[1:40:09] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm

[1:40:10] Voice 9: happy to have that conversation.

[1:40:16] Voice 9: I guess to start

[1:40:18] Voice 8: with what I've heard here today is that there's a lot of people that are not

[1:40:22] Voice 8: happy with the decision-making process or

[1:40:26] Voice 9: the information process from the Islands Trust.

[1:40:30] Voice 9: I think in 1974 when the Islands Trust started it was to preserve and protect. I think that should

[1:40:37] Voice 9: be reversed because if you protect something you're automatically going to preserve it. Over

[1:40:41] Voice 9: the years now you're up to a 9.1 million dollar budget i don't think there's anybody in this room

[1:40:48] Voice 9: that's really happy with the process with the island's trust we talk about um you know what

[1:40:56] Voice 9: was up on the on the overhead projector there floor size in houses that's clearly already been

[1:41:02] Voice 9: established over the years and one of the things which you're not considering is the demographics

[1:41:08] Voice 9: of people that are moving to tender island and you talk about the size of houses if i lived in

[1:41:15] Voice 9: vancouver and worked there for the last 48 years which i had before i retired here 12 years ago

[1:41:22] Voice 9: and i had i had a family of i don't know two kids three kids and they got married and had two kids

[1:41:27] Voice 9: or three kids they wanted to come and and uh visit and if i had the facilities that i'd have

[1:41:35] Voice 9: a lecture house and that that's why we have lecture houses that's why we also have tourist

[1:41:43] Voice 9: accommodations it has been reported numerous times in the last three or four years that the housing

[1:41:50] Voice 9: crisis on pender island has been a direct result of the bylaws and the short inbox thinking of the

[1:41:58] Voice 9: island's trust you know we need tourism we need industry we need communications when we take a

[1:42:06] Voice 9: look at issues like private docks you know the lady that decided to die here she's absolutely

[1:42:12] Voice 9: right if we have a forest fire on a pandora island what do we have yeah one road that goes to the

[1:42:19] Voice 9: ferry and not everybody's going to get on the boat and if we if we have numerous

[1:42:25] Voice 8: people that have

[1:42:27] Voice 8: have private docks regardless of the size and and certainly

[1:42:32] Voice 9: Mike is correct as a professional diver

[1:42:35] Voice 9: there's a heck of a lot more um uh activity under a dock you know with the wild with the

[1:42:43] Voice 9: uh fish and all the other stuff that's out of the bottom of the ocean that's down there you know

[1:42:50] Voice 9: there certainly isn't a problem with the dogs and and especially written in the bylaws

[1:42:56] Voice 9: How can the planners at the Islands Trust or the CRD write a bylaw that says that if

[1:43:04] Voice 9: I'm First Nations and I have waterfront property, I can put in a dock, I can do whatever the

[1:43:10] Voice 9: heck it is that I want to do, but if I'm white, no, can't do it.

[1:43:14] Voice 9: You've got to fund bylaws.

[1:43:17] Voice 9: So this is just one of the things that's in there,

[1:43:21] Trustee Maude: that's just simply not fair.

[1:43:23] Trustee Maude: But clearly it's not in there.

[1:43:25] Trustee Maude: there and also the planner is not writing it the planner is putting it in because we've asked them

[1:43:29] Trustee Maude: as

[1:43:29] Voice 9: well when we talk about groundwater I was born and raised on a farm okay one of the things that

[1:43:52] Voice 9: i vowed as soon as we moved off the farm was i would never ever ever be associated with the

[1:44:00] Voice 9: property that had a well it was nothing which you have so that's why i was imagine

[1:44:07] Voice 9: 50 cubic

[1:44:11] Voice 8: meters of water every three months for 82 bucks and it's great water it's a great system

[1:44:17] Voice 8: I feel sorry for you, and you're not

[1:44:20] Voice 9: on that plate, and you've got to cook them well.

[1:44:24] Voice 9: However, I have a friend that lives on the Pinnet Road, and he has a water system that's got sulfur, and it's got this problem and that problem.

[1:44:33] Voice 9: Anyway, the other thing that's in your bylaws is you identify in there desalinization.

[1:44:43] Voice 9: Somebody at a meeting stood up and said, you know, we want to put in a desalination plant

[1:44:52] Voice 9: that to ease the burden on the wells.

[1:44:54] Voice 9: Yeah, they're not.

[1:44:56] Voice 9: Somebody.

[1:44:56] Voice 9: Okay, just a minute.

[1:44:58] Voice 9: If that's something to turn around and said, Oh, no, we don't want everybody.

[1:45:04] Voice 9: Waterfront property put in the desalination plant.

[1:45:07] Voice 9: there are islands in asia europe south america central america islands that are the same size

[1:45:14] Voice 9: or smaller than tender that have 10 times or 20 times the population and one desalinization plan

[1:45:21] Voice 9: they have a company that has a tanker truck that fills it up right to border

[1:45:26] Voice 2: like it's a point of order we're not talking about the trust policy statement dale we're

[1:45:32] Voice 2: talking about our bylaws and we don't have to do

[1:45:34] Voice 9: that yeah well well i

[1:45:36] Voice 9: go to the list so the

[1:45:38] Voice 9: groundwater groundwater issue is something that that again could be reduced and simplified you

[1:45:46] Voice 9: know if the uh if the bylaws were there the um uh the other information that i had down here

[1:45:55] Voice 9: was that when we take a look at the islands trust and the decision-making process the thing that i

[1:46:02] Voice 9: have found in my experience in business and industry is the only way you're going to solve

[1:46:08] Voice 9: a problem is if you clearly define a problem. If you, Deb, with a doctorate's degree, you're a

[1:46:15] Voice 9: scientist, you're in climate change and engineering and all that sort of stuff. And, you know, that's

[1:46:22] Voice 9: wonderful. And if the CRD and the planners or you or anybody else have discussed these ideas

[1:46:28] Voice 9: is on what they want to see in order to protect our environment preserve it everything that goes

[1:46:35] Voice 9: along with it trees guns whatever else is here and tourism and housing and business and industry

[1:46:42] Voice 9: then what you should do is make a proposal so that everybody can see what you are proposing

[1:46:50] Voice 9: how it exists today and again i think as which george had identified that

[1:46:55] Voice 9: what exists today what the problem is with it today and what your proposed solution is

[1:47:01] Voice 9: and what the proposed solution for example is the limited size of housing

[1:47:07] Voice 9: some of our friends here in real estate you know turn around and say oh my god you know

[1:47:11] Voice 9: that's probably not a great idea but on the other hand you know there have to be options

[1:47:18] Voice 9: and then once you clearly identify what the problem is then put together a bylaw

[1:47:24] Voice 9: You know, I know that the plan is we've already had a discussion about this.

[1:47:28] Voice 9: The thing that hurts me is that the Adams Trust sticks their finger into every little pie that's around there.

[1:47:35] Voice 9: Somebody moved to Pender, built a beautiful house on the waterfront, down by Trincomalee.

[1:47:44] Voice 9: That's wonderful.

[1:47:45] Voice 9: What was their history and career?

[1:47:48] Voice 9: They ran a helicopter business, so they got enough money.

[1:47:51] Voice 9: They got a great house.

[1:47:52] Voice 9: They got their own private helicopter.

[1:47:53] Voice 9: and then what did the island's trust do the island's trust to the the uh land use bylaws

[1:48:00] Voice 9: wrote a bylaw that said you cannot have your own private helicopter basically to land on your own

[1:48:07] Voice 9: private property okay well that happens to be the responsibility of the federal government

[1:48:16] Voice 9: and here the island's trust spent my tax dollars my tax dollars to mess around with writing a

[1:48:23] Voice 9: bylaw that cannot be enforced and it's not the responsibility of the island's trust so i look

[1:48:30] Voice 9: back at the island's trust and i think why do we have all these problems when it comes to

[1:48:35] Voice 9: the floor size private dock stairwells groundwater desalination you know all that sort of information

[1:48:43] Voice 9: information because the island's trust that i forget somebody here said the island's trust was

[1:48:48] Voice 9: a make work project to keep people employed and busy it certainly seems that way but

[1:48:56] Voice 9: you know where are you going to go i wish that that the island's trust if we have a problem

[1:49:01] Voice 9: that you need something put it together bring it to the public don't go out of these meetings all

[1:49:07] Voice 9: the time and say oh we had this community information meeting and we had that there

[1:49:12] Voice 9: are over 2 800 full-time people that live here in the pen okay we got what 40 people at a meeting

[1:49:20] Voice 9: what happened to the other 2 760 people do they really care i don't know what how many do we have

[1:49:28] Voice 9: on on the video or whatever the thing is you know so i

[1:49:34] Trustee Maude: just message received you know

[1:49:36] Trustee Maude: but we're

[1:49:37] Trustee Maude: We're supposed to be talking about this particular by-law.

[1:49:41] Voice 9: Yeah, the by-laws.

[1:49:43] Voice 9: The by-laws, as far as I can see, and I have a document here that, you know, I've gone through.

[1:49:49] Voice 9: It's four pages and all the rest of it.

[1:49:53] Voice 9: You've got 12 local trust areas, 26 trustees, 13 major islands, 450 small islands.

[1:50:04] Voice 9: but the problem is you're you rig your bylaws first to identify a problem that you feel is

[1:50:13] Voice 9: an issue when in reality it's the people that live here it's i don't think there's a lot of

[1:50:20] Voice 9: things that are broken and you can't fix something that's not broken so maybe what you should do is

[1:50:26] Voice 9: sit down and take a look at it scrap whatever is on there and start fresh have a look at it

[1:50:32] Voice 9: and communicate with the people and if you can't communicate with us then you're going to run into

[1:50:38] Voice 9: problems and to kind of quote from elizabeth may who is one politician i do respect elizabeth may

[1:50:45] Voice 9: said yeah i

[1:50:47] Voice 9: know but elizabeth may at all of her meetings she says she says you the public

[1:50:57] Voice 9: pay my salary. I work for you. You are my boss. If you don't like what I'm doing, fire me. How do

[1:51:04] Voice 9: you fire a politician? You don't vote for her. Okay? So there's been a change. So let's take a

[1:51:14] Voice 9: look. Ben, you're back at it. Aaron, you're brand new. Love your pig farm. Thank you

[1:51:24] Trustee Maude: for hiring us.

[1:51:27] Trustee Maude: So one thing, can I get, at the beginning, you sort of had the bullet points of the big issues.

[1:51:35] Trustee Maude: Yep. Sorry.

[1:51:36] Trustee Maude: So we'll call it. And so, Trustee Morrison, you had it.

[1:51:40] Voice 2: Yeah. So I will be the last person to defend the Adams Trust at the moment,

[1:51:48] Voice 2: which may seem amusing to some of you here who think that I'm this and that,

[1:51:53] Voice 2: what you've heard because i've heard some of the uh interesting comments about me over the

[1:51:58] Voice 2: last year um so one of the things i think that we need to understand is that trustees right now

[1:52:05] Voice 2: are working with an assistant that's not working well um and i was one of the 14 trustees that

[1:52:13] Voice 2: put in for the governance review and that asked to have some major examination of the trust and

[1:52:20] Voice 2: its processes okay so i voted for that and i actually was involved in writing the original

[1:52:24] Voice 2: proposal to get that in place um so that's something that you know trustees whether you

[1:52:31] Voice 2: know whatever you think agree or disagree with different steps that's something that i think

[1:52:36] Voice 2: is not always well understood about me that i actually think there's a lot of structural problems

[1:52:40] Voice 2: with how the trust is run so and that i've been working for the last four years to try and fix

[1:52:45] Voice 2: that at a base level both in the governance issues and in the budget issues there's a huge

[1:52:52] Voice 2: like issue in the budget okay we are not elizabeth may in the same way that she represents

[1:53:00] Voice 2: the people here because we also represent the province of british columbia the trust act says

[1:53:06] Voice 2: that we represent both local context and that we act for the benefit of the province of british

[1:53:13] Voice 2: columbian trust area and that's where i think that we're diverging a little bit from some of

[1:53:18] Voice 2: the things i'm hearing here about property rights because and just just let me get out there i totally

[1:53:24] Voice 2: want to hear you because actually i do really enjoy even though i know we don't always agree

[1:53:27] Voice 2: i do really enjoy like hearing the differences so the trust act really like is a layer on top

[1:53:35] Voice 2: of us that is different from all other local government because we have to consider the

[1:53:40] Voice 2: the preserve and protect mandate of course how we interpret that is a vast conversation going on

[1:53:47] Voice 2: in the trust right so and you know it's a work in progress to try and figure that out in a changing

[1:53:52] Voice 2: climate and not fully like detailed like some some things we just don't know like the groundwater

[1:53:59] Voice 2: issue right like how much do we really know about how wells are getting fracted what the influences

[1:54:04] Voice 2: neighbors like we don't always know scientific information and i am a scientist and scientific

[1:54:08] Voice 2: information is not always like perfect clarity right there's there's uncertainty so we're working

[1:54:15] Voice 2: in those systems i think we all have to acknowledge and respect that all right i think my biggest

[1:54:21] Voice 2: concern when we make decisions and for us to consider as a trust council or as a ltc is that

[1:54:27] Voice 2: you know we have to think about decisions that are going to hopefully help us preserve and protect in

[1:54:35] Voice 2: the best way and maybe that's not too overly cautious but cautious enough right what is the

[1:54:40] Voice 2: balance and that's just something we have to figure out as we go forward a lot of the issues

[1:54:44] Voice 2: that are brought up today i think are super helpful to hear from folks and i listened i do

[1:54:48] Voice 2: listen okay the process has not been perfect and part of the reason the process has not been

[1:54:53] Voice 2: perfect on this island with the land use bylaw is that i personally have felt constrained by

[1:54:58] Voice 2: someone's the you know legal obligations to have this meeting or that meeting or to have the like

[1:55:03] Voice 2: like how we even, you know, I was learning last term about how to like handle meetings and how

[1:55:10] Voice 2: to shift things. And when this project was launched, to me, it seemed a way to actually

[1:55:15] Voice 2: look at our bylaws, look at our OCP. And in the OCP, it said that we want to ensure that we have

[1:55:22] Voice 2: a climate resilient community. It wasn't written that way. I'd have to look up the exact language,

[1:55:26] Voice 2: but basically that we're implementing things with that layer of sort of climate knowledge as best

[1:55:32] Voice 2: we can on top of it. And so some of the things that are in here are related to that. Some of

[1:55:37] Voice 2: them are related to issues that have been specifically raised along the way. And I

[1:55:43] Voice 2: actually do think the Dale, I agree with you that it would be great if we had like,

[1:55:47] Voice 2: this is the specific problem. This is how we're addressing it, you know, but I actually think

[1:55:52] Voice 2: that would take us like 50 years to kind of resolve some of the problems, given the constraints I have

[1:55:58] Voice 2: of like one project at a time or two projects at a time the way things are set up and that

[1:56:03] Voice 2: it takes so long to do it we're hopefully resolving some of that stuff with the governance

[1:56:08] Voice 2: review you know so yeah so i think there's a lot of different pieces in this and like maybe we do

[1:56:17] Voice 2: pull out some of these pieces that are particularly contentious um the clarification salt desalinization

[1:56:23] Voice 2: is not in our land use bylaws here on the island okay

[1:56:27] Voice 9: two two things you mentioned that what the

[1:56:31] Voice 9: island's trust is doing is for all british columbians right that's

[1:56:36] Voice 2: what the act says that's

[1:56:37] Voice 9: what the act says good and what i would like to see is all the british columbians that don't live

[1:56:43] Voice 9: in the island's trust area at a 0.05 percent tax i agree i

[1:56:48] Voice 9: agree

[1:56:49] Voice 2: i agree

[1:56:50] Voice 2: dale and i'm arguing for

[1:56:51] Voice 2: that constantly at trust council okay like that is literally my argument okay like not the tax

[1:56:58] Voice 2: thing but like that they need to be paying their weight for the trust because frankly we're bearing

[1:57:03] Voice 2: it locally and that's ridiculous but yeah so i am with you on that

[1:57:08] Voice 9: and then your other comment

[1:57:10] Voice 9: of they take too long i don't know about you but i know that that majority of the 65 percent of the

[1:57:18] Voice 9: people in the pen there are 65 years and maybe we're older we're retired we're not going anywhere

[1:57:23] Voice 9: start the process yeah i've got all the time

[1:57:32] Trustee Maude: i'll just tag on to what trustee morrison said about the promise before is that when the when

[1:57:38] Trustee Maude: the trust started in 1974 the province paid 100 of the cost of the trust

[1:57:42] Voice 2: unbelievable now

[1:57:43] Voice 2: now

[1:57:44] Trustee Maude: we're less than two percent it's unbelievable and so us as trust council me as being on the

[1:57:51] Trustee Maude: executive we had a meeting with the minister in december and that was my point to the minister

[1:57:56] Trustee Maude: going you know is we're an agency of the province we're here to preserve and protect for the benefit

[1:58:02] Trustee Maude: of the problem and they're they're contributing nothing like their their contribution their annual

[1:58:10] Trustee Maude: contribution to the to the 180

[1:58:11] Voice 5: 000

[1:58:12] Trustee Maude: last year they renegotiated with the bcgu and the the impact on

[1:58:19] Trustee Maude: us is a 286 000 increase in staff salaries and and we got we got no bump or anything to cover

[1:58:27] Trustee Maude: those extra costs that were actually downloaded to us from the province so we are having serious

[1:58:32] Trustee Maude: conversations budget-wise but we are digressing from the top but that's

[1:58:38] Trustee Maude: okay because it was in

[1:58:38] Trustee Maude: the budget

[1:58:39] Voice 2: it's helpful to hear

[1:58:40] Voice 2: that from the budget perspective of the conversation i think

[1:58:42] Trustee Maude: for the room we've got these hot topics that we're aware of and for me as a newbie does anybody in

[1:58:50] Trustee Maude: this room support going forward with any of these topics is there anything i

[1:58:55] Voice 10: think you have to be

[1:58:55] Trustee Maude: careful about that

[1:58:56] Voice 1: yeah but it's a question

[1:58:57] Trustee Maude: for this meeting because they're the ones that we've

[1:59:00] Trustee Maude: heard see the most emails and all that is that for our understanding is that everybody's saying

[1:59:07] Trustee Maude: these are things that you kind of don't support that's correct so

[1:59:12] Voice 9: i've not been a kid sorry very much but i thought when you came to go to c2s

[1:59:17] Voice 9: or sounding resolved yeah yeah yeah yeah so is that the hot topic anyone well

[1:59:24] Trustee Maude: is it it's still

[1:59:24] Trustee Maude: it's the way it's written

[1:59:26] Trustee Maude: yeah so so we like literally we we have to as a local trust

[1:59:33] Trustee Maude: committee we're going to have to look at that topic and go is status quo what we want is what

[1:59:39] Trustee Maude: the mediated response what we want is that we need to figure it out and we've heard strong so

[1:59:45] Trustee Maude: so man and man okay

[1:59:48] Voice 9: there's another box called trees like you have how many people at your last

[1:59:54] Voice 9: Yeah, they're about the clear-cutting so that that that list is

[2:00:00] Voice 9: has been changing over time

[2:00:01] Trustee Maude: but are you cutting within this file so

[2:00:04] Voice 2: yeah so but let's and yeah

[2:00:08] Voice 2: i won't get too far into that because it's very

[2:00:09] Voice 2: complicated so but so so there is no tree cutting

[2:00:13] Voice 2: authority right now as a broad mandate and i hate the word tree cutting can i just say that i hate

[2:00:20] Voice 2: the language of tree cutting because it's about forest management right and so but there is no

[2:00:26] Voice 2: I know that there is no authority right now to specifically deal with that there is authority under development permanent area if it has an impact on riparian area, if it has an impact on know the, the woodland habitat one.

[2:00:51] Voice 2: i'm sure that i'm missing something so there there's a couple places where you can say

[2:00:55] Voice 2: these specific areas wetlands maybe there's a couple specific areas that you can say like

[2:01:01] Voice 2: this is an impact to this ecosystem that has been identified in the ocp as a concerned area

[2:01:06] Voice 2: therefore you can't just go in here and mow every tree right so but even i was talking to um

[2:01:13] Voice 2: uh jack kirkby about this issue because the history of the dpa is actually there's some

[2:01:18] Voice 2: the way that they're being implemented is radically different than the way that they

[2:01:21] Voice 2: were being conceptualized originally so i have some concerns about even how enforcement on dps

[2:01:27] Voice 2: is going right now whether it's effective or if it's i don't know i have a lot of questions about

[2:01:32] Voice 2: that yeah just like there's some issues so um but the there is a move by trust council and you

[2:01:41] Voice 2: you probably know better than I do on this, David,

[2:01:44] Voice 2: to just understand like where the enforcement

[2:01:49] Voice 2: or the management of tree forest management is.

[2:01:53] Voice 2: And to Tanya's issue earlier,

[2:01:56] Voice 2: frankly, I think the bigger issue than docks or stairs

[2:01:59] Voice 2: or anything related to fire or security on this island

[2:02:03] Voice 2: is forest management.

[2:02:04] Voice 2: I actually think that we need to get in and thin forests,

[2:02:07] Voice 2: which many people here who think I'm like anti-tree cutting

[2:02:11] Voice 2: is absolutely not true i just think we need to be very careful on how we do it so that we're

[2:02:15] Voice 2: protecting that tree canopy and cover and the biodiversity components but then we're also

[2:02:22] Voice 2: reducing our fire risk because we

[2:02:23] Voice 1: have a massive

[2:02:24] Voice 2: fire risk on this island right now so it's a

[2:02:26] Voice 2: little bit complicated having said all that there is as far as i understand it's a provincial

[2:02:32] Voice 2: jurisdiction to manage and cut trees on this island we don't have any authority so we can't

[2:02:37] Voice 2: really we there there would be no regulation that we can put in right now and so the challenge is

[2:02:42] Voice 2: how do we manage that when we're also supposed to be preserving and protecting on an island

[2:02:47] Voice 2: that's largely there's large regions of forest and if they're mowed is that preserving and protecting

[2:02:52] Voice 2: will we you know there's a private rights argument and george probably could like weigh in on that

[2:02:56] Voice 2: more heavily than i could

[2:02:56] Trustee Maude: and i think to be clear is that literally if we wanted to we couldn't

[2:03:01] Trustee Maude: it is it is that there was a court case up in denver island where local trust committee tried

[2:03:06] Trustee Maude: put tree cutting miles in and it would start up in the supreme court so what about galliano

[2:03:13] Trustee Maude: yeah

[2:03:13] Voice 2: so it was it

[2:03:15] Voice 5: was in

[2:03:33] Trustee Maude: january in court and they're waiting for this issue from the judge

[2:03:36] Trustee Maude: so bill you're next i

[2:03:40] Voice 9: i think what i want to say and i'm trying to understand what's transpired

[2:03:44] Voice 9: today with regards to our property um there seems to have been a pretty serious um misunderstanding

[2:03:52] Voice 9: yeah proper information and i respect everything oh my

[2:03:56] Voice 2: gosh just the amount of learning curve last

[2:03:58] Voice 2: term

[2:03:58] Voice 9: well i get it and i've had more time to research so i'm glad for us too um but i think

[2:04:06] Voice 9: that when you're considering our situation probably at another meeting i'd like to encourage

[2:04:10] Voice 9: you to take us to where we were we were feeling extreme pressure to downsize we were threatened

[2:04:18] Voice 9: with going to nothing in all honesty it was so hard on us we were feeling pressured and maybe

[2:04:25] Voice 9: not for the right reasons so when you review your property i would ask that you leave us where we

[2:04:31] Voice 9: were and we go through the proper process with government and let them figure out what's right

[2:04:37] Voice 9: because none of us are professionals so i throw that out

[2:04:56] that's perfect

[2:04:57] that were actually sent into the uh trusted personal realm um we

[2:05:04] Voice 9: didn't see anything show up

[2:05:05] Voice 9: so i'm going to just kind of review them one of them is the maximum spiritual grace

[2:05:10] Voice 9: but

[2:05:11] Voice 8: the second one i'd like to talk about though is allowing uh secondary

[2:05:16] Voice 9: suites and accessories

[2:05:17] Voice 9: but i can

[2:05:19] Voice 9: see that the water issue and a lot of water doesn't have a water issue

[2:05:28] has a new infrastructure

[2:05:31] Voice 9: building sewer we're going to be where it should be i brought this up

[2:05:41] Voice 9: summer and you said something about the issues and i think that's something

[2:05:55] and the problem is

[2:06:02] Voice 9: but i really think it would help during the pandemic a

[2:06:17] Voice 8: lot of the

[2:06:17] Voice 9: people who've been

[2:06:18] Voice 9: in the cities and the cities would no place to be in the pandemic

[2:06:40] Voice 9: hey bob before

[2:06:46] Voice 2: you go on can i ask you a question about that

[2:06:49] Voice 10: um

[2:06:49] Voice 2: i'm so one of the things that um i think if we if i remember correctly that there is a

[2:06:55] Voice 2: the residential zoning there's a separate zoning in the bylaw for magic lake right magically

[2:07:00] Voice 6: yeah

[2:07:01] Voice 2: and that that will help with the conversation that we've had about

[2:07:07] Voice 2: like if you have that separate zoning we could apply different rules to that zoning group

[2:07:22] Voice 9: Yeah, for sure.

[2:07:25] Voice 2: And so one of the questions I have, because I think it's, and maybe it's to the point of like, it's something done separately, but I mean, you are the Magic Lake Homeowners Association would be helpful to know, because there has been

[2:07:37] Voice 2: in conversation about the square footage um one of the things that could be done and it was an idea

[2:07:44] Voice 2: somebody had in one of the meetings that i thought was a really cool idea is like if you have a

[2:07:49] Voice 2: square footage for a residential that that could be distributed into however many like it doesn't

[2:07:54] Voice 2: have to be in a single building it could be in smaller buildings and that was a conversation

[2:07:58] Voice 2: that you and i had about magic lake at one point so like it would be really good to know that like

[2:08:04] Voice 2: if that's something that we if if the maximum floria goes ahead do you actually allow the

[2:08:09] Voice 2: maximum floor area for the total it's the floria of a dwelling that it could be in the dwellings

[2:08:17] Voice 2: like the dwellings could be broken up into pieces

[2:08:19] Voice 8: we don't actually agree with it

[2:08:25] Voice 8: even in terms of percentage of the plot

[2:08:28] Voice 9: let's

[2:08:29] Voice 8: just go back to the old one

[2:08:30] Voice 5: yeah i would agree

[2:08:32] Voice 8: that it would still be the same percentage if you spread it out you know like if you were allowed

[2:08:37] Voice 9: 2800 square feet that would be yeah yeah and

[2:08:47] Voice 2: i guess the only concern that had come up on that

[2:08:50] Voice 2: was that if you separate the square footage into multiple buildings then with the way that

[2:08:55] Voice 2: fire smart has been

[2:08:56] Voice 2: applied in some areas that people would remove every tree i

[2:08:59] Voice 9: would say multiple

[2:09:00] Voice 9: multiple buildings. Yeah.

[2:09:02] Voice 9: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There's one of the

[2:09:22] problems we noticed in general regulations is confusion. What

[2:09:28] Voice 8: it says is your club and marinas and regions. I think that says

[2:09:36] Voice 8: it's not actually

[2:09:37] Voice 9: going to show up in the summer. It says that

[2:09:47] Voice 8: Anyway, yacht clubs and marinas are used for which it's restricted for members of the private club.

[2:09:51] Voice 8: You take the marinas out, you're doing

[2:09:54] Voice 9: away with the land rather than the club, which doesn't move.

[2:09:59] Voice 9: And yacht clubs doesn't imply

[2:10:04] Voice 8: by itself, it's just a club with people.

[2:10:17] Voice 9: So I'd suggest throwing a yacht club and putting it in a restricted private club, which takes care of what you're trying to do and doesn't get rid of the yacht club as well.

[2:10:31] Trustee Maude: so that's kind of stopped maybe to comment about that is that yeah

[2:10:35] Voice 9: this is this is a regulation

[2:10:37] Voice 9: that has been in the land use bylaw historically i don't know

[2:10:40] Voice 9: if there was a reason why it was

[2:10:43] Voice 9: originally in there yeah so this is a section where it prohibits uh uses in all zones and it

[2:10:49] Voice 9: says that yacht clubs and marinas the use of which is restricted to members of a private club yeah

[2:10:55] Voice 7: uh

[2:10:56] Voice 9: is restricted in every zone so that's something the lgc could take out it

[2:11:01] Voice 1: just needs finesse

[2:11:03] Voice 9: okay

[2:11:14] Voice 9: oh yeah uh the livestock issue

[2:11:18] Voice 8: um when we talked when i got up on the summer meeting

[2:11:22] Voice 8: and I said, you know, I really like pigs.

[2:11:25] Voice 8: I got to tell the neighbors.

[2:11:29] Voice 8: And even some of the neighbors I've had over the years,

[2:11:32] Voice 8: pigs would be the girl.

[2:11:36] Voice 8: Bob,

[2:11:36] Voice 2: I'm your neighbor.

[2:11:42] Voice 9: Anyway, I really didn't go to the farm.

[2:11:51] Voice 8: And we're allowing the dog breeding board and kennels,

[2:11:55] Voice 8: keeping up livestock.

[2:11:59] Voice 8: the section is the 200 permitted uses and uh i just said in the summer and meaning that this

[2:12:08] Voice 8: was happening and the response was it was an artifact that came in from an old bylaw and

[2:12:14] Voice 8: we'll

[2:12:15] Voice 9: get rid of it but it's still there yeah so it does say that accessory pig farming dog breeding

[2:12:20] Voice 9: boarding kettle boarding kennels is only permitted on lots greater than 1.2 hectares so it's just

[2:12:26] Voice 2: it's because of the rezoning of the like creating the separate zone it came in from the old one

[2:12:36] Voice 10: okay okay that is

[2:12:37] Voice 2: it's something that yeah

[2:12:41] Voice 8: um what's happening is or has happened over the years that some of the people have bought the

[2:12:45] Voice 8: lockman store and desultivated

[2:12:48] Voice 9: it and looked around and we've got some blocks that are

[2:12:51] Voice 9: it's not by that definition to

[2:12:54] Trustee Maude: relax anyway because we have a request for like a five minute

[2:13:01] Trustee Maude: break so yeah just your last point yeah okay

[2:13:04] Voice 8: and uh so that yeah if i go through the rest of the

[2:13:08] Voice 8: brick almost at the bottom we just found the home business guidelines were so confusing that we

[2:13:13] Voice 8: all list together to decide what they said um and in our one and uh there's some home industries

[2:13:24] Voice 8: I think that industry is actually retired, but

[2:13:28] Voice 9: it's still in the general

[2:13:30] Voice 5: regulations.

[2:13:36] Voice 5: Thank

[2:13:36] Trustee Maude: you very much.

[2:13:37] Trustee Maude: So if everyone's okay with taking a five minute break, and then we'll come back and maybe

[2:13:41] Trustee Maude: draw us to a conclusion.

[2:13:44] Trustee Maude: All right, we'll just come back to order here.

[2:13:49] Trustee Maude: We have sir

[2:13:50] Voice 9: in the back.

[2:13:52] Trustee Maude: All right.

[2:13:54] Trustee Maude: So any final questions? Okay, Mr. Sketch.

[2:14:00] Voice 4: I'll go back to the first slide that we've shown, and right at the bottom was referenced to 1200-1201 Washington Road.

[2:14:11] Voice 4: But it may not be known that in the late 1990s, I think inappropriately, a sliver, by that

[2:14:21] Voice 4: I mean about 15 feet of land at the natural boundary, was given a separate zoning.

[2:14:28] Voice 4: There were politics involved, of course.

[2:14:31] Voice 4: And we're left with quite a small parcel that, yes, is appropriate for a house.

[2:14:38] But 15 feet, which is also a list for, here we are, for residential zoning.

[2:14:47] Now, unfortunately, the shed that's

[2:14:51] Voice 9: on the foreshore was used for

[2:14:58] Voice 4: residential use.

[2:14:59] Voice 4: It was commercial use, and it was just used for residential.

[2:15:02] Voice 4: The landowners did it.

[2:15:05] Voice 4: and um there was a sewage disposal issue and it was just done

[2:15:11] Voice 4: the province did nothing yes it's it's it's nice to rely on the province to to

[2:15:19] Voice 4: be

[2:15:19] Voice 9: active on this but they actually did on that for years despite water and life and everything

[2:15:26] Voice 9: else and so the island's trust took them out of the court and it took years and i don't know how

[2:15:33] Voice 9: much taxpayer dollar to

[2:15:35] Voice 4: forbid residential use of the sliver parcel and we have had a series

[2:15:44] Voice 4: speaking to george larue's point of chewing and throwing on the recommendations for the new line

[2:15:50] Voice 4: of use bottle out of thin air comes permission for a property owner a new property owner yes

[2:15:58] Voice 4: for residential uses given this rezoning why i mean why can't they apply for rezoning to start

[2:16:05] Voice 4: with why as part of our land use bottle review it is the matter even being considered and secondly

[2:16:13] Voice 4: we have written their residential use of that sliver parcel now i have long been against that

[2:16:22] Voice 4: given the history and uh i heard one of our trustees at the last meeting

[2:16:27] Voice 4: pointing out that one is commercial one is residential and yet today

[2:16:34] Voice 4: we have it back again post-residential please if there's an argument of foregoing

[2:16:42] Voice 4: foregoing commercial use on the old washington store that's that's a discussion that the

[2:16:49] the committee to take you but to give residential use to a

[2:16:55] Voice 4: 15 foot sliver it's a mistake and um

[2:17:02] Voice 4: there is an opportunity because this is the same owner has both parcels to persuade an

[2:17:07] Voice 9: amalgamation

[2:17:08] Voice 4: of the two bots and get

[2:17:09] Voice 9: on with a residential zoning there are all kinds of

[2:17:13] Voice 4: possibilities but it really should be part of an individual reasoning application from the owner

[2:17:19] Voice 4: to the ltc not part of an mvb amendment project that i cannot understand the rationale for that

[2:17:27] Voice 9: thank you

[2:17:31] i'd like to just make comments about housing we're talking about density

[2:17:38] i've gotten involved with the housing society what's generally known as puncture and puncture

[2:17:45] is zoned for an additional four duplex gyms.

[2:17:51] So we put together the financial model

[2:17:55] and said, okay, if we build these four duplexes

[2:17:59] and we try to sell them at the market,

[2:18:01] Voice 9: and we try to rent them at market rent,

[2:18:05] Voice 9: can we stay above water?

[2:18:09] Voice 9: No.

[2:18:09] Voice 9: At market rent, we can't cash flow.

[2:18:15] We need about 50% donation.

[2:18:17] nation now who's going to do donations it's not going to happen so i got in touch with robert

[2:18:24] and i said robert what do i need to do to build a roadhouse robert said to me because it'll be

[2:18:32] cheaper there's fewer walls and roof and so on and so forth same number of bedrooms

[2:18:37] by the way we're

[2:18:39] Voice 9: going through all the water testing

[2:18:46] my point is robert said to me well you've got the land use bylaw review going on you can put it in

[2:18:57] there or we didn't apply for rezoning and so i've been thinking about this on behalf of the board

[2:19:04] and we haven't talked about it as approved but it would be my strong recommendation that we don't

[2:19:08] slip it and we actually do

[2:19:11] Voice 9: the proper rezoning application and we would apply for consideration

[2:19:15] Voice 9: of the fees because it's a non-profit society and so on and so forth.

[2:19:20] Voice 9: I think you want $4,400 or something for that, something like that.

[2:19:24] Voice 9: Whatever it is, it doesn't matter.

[2:19:26] Voice 9: That's not the material thing.

[2:19:27] Voice 9: The interesting thing is that we cannot make rental housing work.

[2:19:33] It cannot cash flow.

[2:19:34] It only cash flows on the basis of the capital appreciation of the property

[2:19:37] and selling it in the future.

[2:19:40] But if you're a non-profit housing society, you're not selling it in the future.

[2:19:44] It

[2:19:45] Voice 9: won't cash flow.

[2:19:45] Voice 9: it won't give you a return on investment that's a fundamental problem with housing and asylum

[2:19:51] Voice 9: so the ideas of putting in dining homes or studio suites or those sorts of things if you're going to

[2:19:59] Voice 9: have housing and prevent this become becoming a gated community with a moat that has an

[2:20:05] Voice 9: unreliable service to get you if you want to prevent that from happening there's going to

[2:20:11] Voice 9: have to do ways to find the water i built a house recently it took five years we have 36 000 gallons

[2:20:20] Voice 9: underwater storage for marine life we spent 13 000 on engineers to tell us to put filters in

[2:20:27] Voice 9: because that was a requirement okay but it can be done and our hope is once we get this thing

[2:20:35] Voice 9: all right we will not use well yeah we will have a year's supply of what is possible so there's

[2:20:47] housing is a very serious issue we can't get workers that

[2:20:53] Voice 10: we can't provide a problem and

[2:20:57] Voice 10: that's going to affect all

[2:20:57] Voice 9: of us not just there has to be some seriousness it's not

[2:21:03] Voice 9: appear when i use file options i'm not suggesting that i just wanted to see yeah appreciate that

[2:21:08] Voice 9: yeah

[2:21:08] Voice 6: no no that's helpful yeah

[2:21:09] Voice 9: i forgot to mention you guys spoke obviously

[2:21:14] Voice 9: did that

[2:21:20] Voice 2: i think we

[2:21:21] Voice 9: suggested i don't know not the magic way no tennis courts oh okay okay

[2:21:27] yeah it actually called me right now and so

[2:21:32] Voice 9: that's pretty good for that in there the second thing i'm

[2:21:36] Voice 9: just going to mention what it's not no no

[2:21:37] Voice 4: it's not in there it's not in there so

[2:21:40] Voice 2: we need to document

[2:21:41] Voice 2: that okay so just one second so so but we have the letter and that just needs to be a list of

[2:21:48] Voice 2: something that we to bring back so

[2:21:53] Voice 9: the letter though that they're requesting like tennis courts

[2:21:56] Voice 9: and pickleball courts and stuff that goes beyond what's just permitted in these community park two

[2:22:01] Voice 9: zones but we can have that discussion later the

[2:22:03] Voice 1: town is already existing

[2:22:04] Voice 9: yeah i know i know but

[2:22:05] Voice 9: But they're wanting pickleball courts.

[2:22:09] Voice 9: The pickleball?

[2:22:10] Voice 9: Pickleball,

[2:22:11] Voice 1: well, it's a combination.

[2:22:12] Voice 1: Yeah, they're not putting in pickleball.

[2:22:14] Voice 1: We're not putting in anything.

[2:22:16] Voice 1: They're using the tennis ball.

[2:22:17] Voice 9: Oh, nice.

[2:22:17] Voice 9: But it's

[2:22:17] Voice 9: falling out along residential.

[2:22:19] Voice 9: Pickleball seems to be it.

[2:22:20] Voice 9: Pickleball.

[2:22:22] Trustee Maude: So the

[2:22:23] Trustee Maude: point is, is it the landing zone, residential?

[2:22:25] Trustee Maude: Yes, I understand that.

[2:22:27] Voice 9: I mean, this while you're doing it, rather than sending courts

[2:22:29] Voice 9: to the resultant, we just thought

[2:22:34] Voice 9: to maybe roll this whole process going on.

[2:22:36] Voice 9: Just slip that in there.

[2:22:37] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:22:38] Voice 2: You can go talk to George in the corner about that.

[2:22:42] Voice 8: It

[2:22:42] Voice 9: really needs all the park.

[2:22:45] Trustee Maude: So can we add that to our consideration?

[2:22:50] Voice 10: It may be the

[2:22:51] Voice 9: reason we sold residential

[2:22:53] Trustee Maude: or we can't

[2:22:54] Voice 9: get anybody to sign there.

[2:23:04] Voice 9: The other thing I was going to mention

[2:23:06] Voice 10: was that

[2:23:07] Voice 8: I really support the concept of zoning

[2:23:10] Voice 8: of zoning

[2:23:11] Voice 9: in different areas that it's going to take this huge conversation

[2:23:15] Voice 9: with the people who are sitting here and some of these documents that are considering whether they

[2:23:19] Voice 9: will be able to condense those down to something that we have in common with everybody that's

[2:23:25] Voice 9: sitting around. So it's going to be a really important thing to do. I hate to lose it but

[2:23:30] Voice 9: that stuff, a lot of stuff that's been put in there is uncomfortable. It might be, I'd like to

[2:23:39] Voice 9: recommend that we pull some of that stuff out get the rezoning done and

[2:23:43] Voice 4: then we can start doing

[2:23:45] Voice 4: piecemeal with the other stuff right under the comics we're always sitting

[2:23:49] Voice 9: we're sitting here

[2:23:49] Voice 9: and we're talking about one one issue instead of 30 minutes right and uh and one place instead of

[2:23:58] Voice 9: talking about places anyway so yeah i really supported like three years and just kind of

[2:24:04] Voice 9: pulled some of this contentious stuff out of it for now i'm going to work on putting stuff back

[2:24:15] Voice 9: I think I would have to agree with what he said.

[2:24:18] Voice 9: Let's get back to the waste management and a few of that.

[2:24:21] Voice 9: But I think we're back to when you asked the question,

[2:24:24] Voice 9: when you supported that.

[2:24:25] Voice 9: Mary Beth, you put your hand up.

[2:24:26] Voice 9: I think you were asking the question.

[2:24:28] Voice 9: So I think we pretty well have a unanimous vote here

[2:24:31] Voice 9: that nobody really wants any of that.

[2:24:35] Voice 9: And if it does go in, I guess my problem with it is,

[2:24:38] Voice 9: is the personalities of the three of you up there don't get me wrong i like all three of you

[2:24:43] Voice 9: but for somebody that's been here for 15 years i've seen personalities up there that can ruin

[2:24:48] Voice 9: a person's dreams i think george just described how those guys can solve their problem

[2:24:53] Voice 9: the sister store of water because it's always been water when it comes to in the road

[2:24:59] Voice 9: uh when it came to our property on razor point we had a trustee put her hand up and say why don't

[2:25:06] Voice 9: we just take their zoning away from them so

[2:25:08] Voice 1: you can put that stuff in every one of those ones

[2:25:11] Voice 1: that's in there somebody has to come and ask the question now if we get three nice people like you

[2:25:16] Voice 1: up there i'm going to get my dog if the two people up there live next door to me and they don't want

[2:25:21] Voice 1: me to have the dog i don't get a dog so that's an unfair balance for this person

[2:25:27] Voice 9: as opposed to

[2:25:28] Voice 9: that person when it comes to having three people voting on one set of rules that works for all of

[2:25:33] Voice 9: us totally one more time

[2:25:52] Trustee Maude: sorry

[2:25:53] Voice 2: mike i just needed one clarification because um so from the waste management

[2:25:58] Voice 2: perspective of what's in there right now for the for the waste management which is to um

[2:26:04] Voice 2: Um, I think there are three areas that were identified along, um, is it Otter Bay Road?

[2:26:10] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:26:11] Voice 2: So that would be designated, like zoned, have zoning added to them for waste management

[2:26:16] Voice 2: so that we have some place on this island that's legally like zoned for waste management.

[2:26:21] Voice 2: And it's not all under a single property owner because that was the other issue that had

[2:26:25] Voice 2: been brought up.

[2:26:26] Voice 2: So, um, so that's one thing is that, are you in favor of that or against that?

[2:26:33] Voice 2: I'm a little bit unclear.

[2:26:35] Voice 2: As

[2:26:35] Voice 5: the industrial said,

[2:26:37] Voice 9: anybody can come forward and ask a question

[2:26:39] Voice 9: and say, hey, this is my plan.

[2:26:42] Voice 9: You're drawing a line that

[2:26:43] Voice 9: says, this is what the other means, and

[2:26:45] Voice 9: that's what it's going to be. Somebody can walk

[2:26:47] Voice 9: through that door right now and say, hey, this is my

[2:26:49] Voice 9: application to

[2:26:51] Voice 9: build something over there. I haven't got a clue

[2:26:53] Voice 9: where that would be. That's the next part of the

[2:26:55] Voice 9: plan for their business.

[2:26:57] Voice 10: And that's true.

[2:26:59] Voice 9: You want to put zone time. Why don't you deal with

[2:27:01] Voice 9: the problem first, which is getting

[2:27:04] Voice 9: So I can actually, you know, if you get a TUP, you say, poor concrete pad, build a building over your bins.

[2:27:11] Voice 9: And when I sat here for four years watching you guys try to move me one more time.

[2:27:15] Voice 9: So I could have gone and spent a quarter million dollars just to have them tell me, oh, hey, you're on your fourth location now.

[2:27:21] Voice 9: And we knew all along that there was no way you were putting a cement plant and waste management next to the water.

[2:27:27] Voice 2: Okay, so Mike, pause on that, because that's not what I have said.

[2:27:33] Voice 2: Okay, because, yeah, okay. So I'm just needing to understand if the waste management three areas is something that is supported. I agree completely that other people can come forward and ask for a specific spot.

[2:27:45] Voice 2: It's the,

[2:27:46] Voice 9: when you put that zoning on, the person can just come, can they just come in and start to operate without any, without any reports?

[2:27:58] Voice 2: Oh, I see what you're saying.

[2:28:00] Voice 2: when you put the

[2:28:01] Voice 9: zoning on you don't have to just automatically just then they

[2:28:08] Voice 9: don't have to have

[2:28:08] Voice 9: any hydrology reports or environmental reports they can just something just can go in and start

[2:28:15] Voice 9: to operate okay

[2:28:16] Voice 2: so so i and again i'm not 100 so i'm going to paraphrase what i think you're saying

[2:28:22] Voice 2: and like so that we're clear because i want to be clear about this all right so that you are not for

[2:28:28] Voice 2: the two other properties that's not the one that you've already put on because you've already done

[2:28:32] Voice 2: the work to establish that you have the environmental protections on that site

[2:28:36] Voice 9: that's not so much you were actually wanting to put community services on that property

[2:28:40] Voice 9: and take the

[2:28:41] Voice 9: gravel off of it which one

[2:28:46] Voice 9: no

[2:28:46] Voice 2: no that's the gravel still there

[2:28:51] Voice 9: but what are you going to do when it comes to braving this permit like you talk water you've

[2:28:56] Voice 9: got a well right between those two pieces of property yeah that's

[2:28:59] Voice 9: a different one

[2:28:59] Voice 2: okay that's a different you're mixing a lot of different issues mike and i really do want to

[2:29:05] Voice 2: be clear about the waste management issue because i want to understand what it is because you're

[2:29:10] Voice 2: operating waste management here on this property on on the island right so is the site that you're

[2:29:15] Voice 2: on the the we we need somewhere to resolve the issue that's been going on for 15 years right

[2:29:23] Voice 2: right so that's what i'm asking so the zoning on the property where you're operating right

[2:29:29] Voice 2: now is in the land use box okay are you against it being added to the other two

[2:29:35] Voice 2: properties for what you just said i have

[2:29:37] Voice 9: a problem with competition okay okay

[2:29:40] Trustee Maude: okay we'll quickly get to you

[2:29:48] Voice 9: to me there's an indicative issue here in the waste management that goes

[2:29:53] Voice 9: right to the structure a lot of this is technical

[2:30:00] Voice 9: Trustees aren't necessarily technical, they rely on staff, but staff say they take their direction from the people who don't know anything about them.

[2:30:11] Voice 9: So staff then tries to meander their way through a political minefield to come up with something that by and large we can't read, because it's trying to be something for everybody.

[2:30:22] Voice 9: And so I'm going straight to the government's issue.

[2:30:27] Voice 9: The trust should be technically just like the ALC.

[2:30:32] Voice 9: Some of us won't like the ALC.

[2:30:34] Voice 9: But this fact of having 26 elected people and three people who come here to basically mediate community relations.

[2:30:44] Voice 9: And what they end up doing is actually creating conflict.

[2:30:48] Voice 9: Not that they intended to.

[2:30:49] Voice 9: But by virtue of the nature of this beast is to regulate.

[2:30:52] Voice 9: it out and you can't manage with 26 supervisors and i think this waste management issue is a case

[2:31:03] Voice 9: study in this that we've lived through for over a decade with different people coming and different

[2:31:10] Voice 9: opinions and then somebody some loud noisy person like me who represents some global minority

[2:31:16] Voice 9: somewhere is opposed to it

[2:31:19] Voice 10: and

[2:31:20] Voice 9: then we talk about it again i think this is very indicative of a deep

[2:31:25] Voice 9: deep structural issue it's not about i think

[2:31:33] Voice 2: we actually don't disagree on that george

[2:31:35] Voice 9: it is

[2:31:38] Voice 5: i do have an issue with the rezoning of those areas without any specific requirements

[2:31:45] Voice 5: being put in for it so when we looked at it at the previous waste management bylaws which was shelved

[2:31:54] Voice 5: by this particular last year there were specific requirements that were associated with that zoning

[2:32:01] Voice 5: and they're not in the ibot and they are required like nobody has done an assessment of those two

[2:32:09] Voice 5: properties to determine if they're actually appropriate for waste transfer waste management

[2:32:15] Voice 5: so if if you're going to rezone them then you should be putting in those requirements as well

[2:32:23] Voice 5: out that we're in the old bylaws so that you're not just allowing someone to walk in and say i've

[2:32:30] Voice 5: got this zone it's really important having dealt with environmental issues from a legal perspective

[2:32:37] Voice 5: it would be a nightmare to allow them to go in the way they are now thank

[2:32:42] Voice 10: you very much

[2:32:42] Voice 9: um i think

[2:32:44] Voice 9: there's some very good rondo i can give you some good things about this bylaw proposal uh you get

[2:32:51] Voice 9: a new base bylaw that marginizes us for the rest of the island. The problem I think is that we're

[2:32:58] Voice 9: getting it at the same time as a bunch of big changes and that's very confusing because you

[2:33:02] Voice 9: cannot go back to the original bylaw right there. Maybe we should just do that one thing. There's a

[2:33:07] Voice 9: 1.5 meter vertical setback that is mandated by the province. Foreseen level rise, really simple,

[2:33:15] Voice 9: quote, no opposition that I've read. We could do that. Magic

[2:33:20] Voice 9: Lake Estates wants separate zoning. Yay. Doesn't seem to be

[2:33:23] Voice 9: any disagreement on that. Two parts of Magic Lake. Sounds like

[2:33:27] Voice 9: the McKinsey twos are coming to finalize it after a four time

[2:33:33] Voice 9: process. Maybe, maybe the Burdett's might get their site

[2:33:38] Voice 9: finished as part of this. Maybe that's enough. Maybe we can

[2:33:42] Voice 9: cut and run it's simple

[2:33:44] Voice 9: you say that this hasn't cost a lot i'm looking at the plan and he's worked

[2:33:49] Voice 9: on this for an extra couple of years and that costs money we could be doing another project

[2:33:54] Voice 9: on canada like housing is that our next project our next major project thank you very much

[2:34:10] Voice 7: as

[2:34:11] Voice 6: one member and both if you get the list back up i do not approve of the maximum floor area

[2:34:21] Voice 6: changes as they're written i believe if you have over three acres if you want to build in a five

[2:34:27] Voice 6: or 6 000 square foot house that's reasonable and maybe you want to build a thousand square

[2:34:33] Voice 6: foot cottage for a living caregiver or other laborers or multi-generational families which

[2:34:41] Voice 6: contributes to real character the mckinnon road i have always opposed it but mostly on the process

[2:34:50] Voice 6: process, but now it was seen and reasonable person to gather that might not continue.

[2:34:59] Voice 6: Docs, I don't understand what the problem is.

[2:35:02] Voice 6: I understand that it's not under the Addams Trust power as it was delegated to the province

[2:35:10] Voice 6: didn't delegate that part of them, so I oppose that.

[2:35:13] Voice 6: I oppose any changes to stairs to foreshore, and I'm not sure what legal non-conforming

[2:35:18] Voice 6: is what

[2:35:19] Voice 2: the question was there oh that just

[2:35:22] Voice 2: came that just came up from the conversation around

[2:35:24] Voice 2: maximum house size there was concerns about legal non-conforming so there's a clause in there that

[2:35:29] Voice 2: that would never happen so yeah so

[2:35:31] Voice 2: that's just we have

[2:35:33] Trustee Maude: three more speakers we have three more

[2:35:34] Trustee Maude: minutes so let's

[2:35:35] Voice 5: yeah

[2:35:36] Trustee Maude: um

[2:35:37] Voice 5: i agree with what joyce was saying about those two pieces of

[2:35:40] Voice 5: problem because with the waste management

[2:35:42] Voice 10: commission

[2:35:44] Voice 5: that we had yeah um i don't think

[2:35:47] Voice 5: the criteria during that waste management commission the one beside the recycle repo

[2:35:52] Voice 5: would have met that criteria um the old golf site was whenever they

[2:35:58] Voice 9: were there yeah

[2:36:00] Voice 9: and it had to be a certain size and i don't think that property is the right size

[2:36:06] Trustee Maude: mr henning the

[2:36:08] Voice 9: only thing i would like to ask now is you've heard from everybody and

[2:36:13] Voice 9: 10 words or less what are you going to do about these three bodies

[2:36:19] Voice 9: well

[2:36:20] Trustee Maude: i think the intent is at the conclusion of this meeting which hopefully is coming very

[2:36:25] Trustee Maude: shortly is that we're going to pass a motion to have another special meeting to basically do what

[2:36:33] Trustee Maude: did a couple of weeks ago and go through it and give staff direction based on the feedback in this

[2:36:39] Trustee Maude: meeting as to the fine-tuning of this bylaw so that then we can bring it back to the next part

[2:36:45] Trustee Maude: of the process so they we're we're not on the slippery slopes to saying we're done we're we've

[2:36:52] Trustee Maude: taken a bunch of information which we really really appreciate so the planner our very expensive

[2:36:58] Trustee Maude: planner has taken lots and lots of notes

[2:37:00] Voice 10: and

[2:37:01] Trustee Maude: she understands that there's a road forward

[2:37:04] Trustee Maude: and we're going to do our best to make this work for everybody so which is this is not a done deal

[2:37:12] Trustee Maude: but it's not going to be reversed out and and so where is it patience see what we get to at the

[2:37:19] Trustee Maude: next stage and maybe we're right back here again and you're yelling at us again hopefully not the

[2:37:24] Trustee Maude: idea is to have something that works for the island and the people of eason so and overall

[2:37:31] Voice 9: i think this has been one of the most valuable information sessions i've ever attended in the

[2:37:37] Voice 9: last 10 years with the island trust so

[2:37:40] Voice 2: so dale i actually had hoped last term when we started

[2:37:45] Voice 2: last term that we would have more sessions like this and it just for whatever for a number of

[2:37:49] Voice 2: reasons it didn't happen but one of the reasons we we didn't want to specifically make decisions

[2:37:54] Voice 2: at this meeting is so that we can listen right and so that we're not trying to like what am I

[2:37:59] Voice 2: going to answer how am I going to like because if we get into the situation where we're listening

[2:38:03] Voice 2: as opposed to trying to like am I going to argue with Aaron about this or then it's easier for us

[2:38:07] Voice 2: to really hear what you're saying

[2:38:09] Voice 9: I know I

[2:38:12] Trustee Maude: saw that thank you so what motion would you like to

[2:38:17] Trustee Maude: um

[2:38:18] Voice 9: if the ltc could put or trustee could put forward a motion to schedule a electronic special

[2:38:24] Voice 9: meeting um to discuss the land use by law review and i guess the

[2:38:30] Voice 2: question i have is why are we not

[2:38:32] Voice 2: doing that on our march meeting do we have and it's pretty full okay i could put it on okay can

[2:38:39] Voice 9: we what about the it depends you know how much time do you think you'll need making these decisions

[2:38:44] Voice 9: right? It may take a few an hour or two.

[2:38:48] Voice 2: Okay, and so then the next question I have is what about the meeting that is already scheduled, the special meeting on the 11th?

[2:38:54] Voice 2: Do we have time to do it at that meeting? Because there's a water discussion, but then we could have a portion of that meeting where we just like work through some of these issues.

[2:39:03] Voice 9: If the

[2:39:04] Voice 2: LTC has the capacity after the presentations to do that, we could do that.

[2:39:09] Voice 2: yeah i would like to do that if that's possible because i just i don't want to have it like we're

[2:39:14] Voice 2: going to get

[2:39:15] Voice 2: ourselves meeting to death and i just want to make sure that we are moving along on this

[2:39:18] Voice 2: and that's already scheduled and

[2:39:19] Voice 9: no resolutions required then we'll just add an extra hour on

[2:39:23] Voice 9: do you

[2:39:25] Voice 2: need to make sure that the agenda reflects that we are going to discuss the language

[2:39:31] Voice 2: thank you

[2:39:32] Trustee Maude: so trustee campbell you've been

[2:39:35] Voice 4: why is there

[2:39:37] Voice 4: anything you want to add i just just wanted to thank everybody for for a lot of

[2:39:41] Voice 4: information like that was really i feel like really positive and really good to hear from

[2:39:46] Voice 4: everyone and get everybody to speak out the piece about it and uh it gives us lots to think about

[2:39:52] Voice 4: lots to go back and try to carve in and in and out probably um to give us something that we can

[2:40:01] Voice 4: to finish up hopefully quickly and get on to probably the june meeting if people want to

[2:40:08] Voice 4: start thinking about it being about housing and what we can do to start to craft something for

[2:40:14] Voice 4: our community that way thank you thank you very much all right

[2:40:19] Trustee Maude: well thank you everybody for

[2:40:20] Trustee Maude: Thank you for attending. I think we have a motion for adjournment.

[2:40:24] Voice 10: Motion for adjournment.

[2:40:25] Trustee Maude: Thank you.