Gambier Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, March 14, 2023

[0:00:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, well, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Gambria Island Local Trust Committee

[0:00:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): virtual meeting. I want to start off by acknowledging that I am here as your chair,

[0:00:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Luckham, elected on Thetis Island and is appointed as the Gambria Island

[0:00:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Local Trust Committee chair. I live on Thetis Island, and that is in Laiakson and Penelakut

[0:00:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): territory in the Coast Salish Sea, for which I'm grateful to be able to live and work here.

[0:00:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's a mixed history of the Coast Salish territory since colonization. Of course,

[0:00:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's a historically beautiful and culturally rich place. There's been some sadness and injustice

[0:00:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): justice perpetrated here and we are all committed myself and committed to doing what we can

[0:01:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): to reconcile those in the past and grateful for that opportunity it's a it's a it's something

[0:01:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): of a internal search for resolving the history here so of course we're meeting across today

[0:01:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): today across the Salish Sea, across Georgia Strait,

[0:01:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): all the way over to Gambier-Keats Island Trust Area

[0:01:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the local trustees are residents there.

[0:01:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'll just ask you to introduce yourself,

[0:01:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): make any remarks you'd like,

[0:01:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I'll start with Trustee Bernardo

[0:01:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): because I can see you on the screen.

[0:01:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Thank you, my name is Joe Bernardo.

[0:01:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm one of the elected local trustees

[0:01:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): from the Gambier Local Trust Area.

[0:01:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I hail from Keats Island, also known as Lactines,

[0:01:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the original name of the Squamish people had put to that beautiful place, and of course Keats Island

[0:01:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and much of the Gambret Trust Area is in the traditional lands of the Squamish people.

[0:02:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you. So Kate Louise Stamford, over to you.

[0:02:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): Good morning everyone. I'm calling in today from Gibsons, but I represent the island of

[0:02:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): cialdnowicz in alcott some house sound part of the gambier keats local trust area thank you kate

[0:02:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so join with us uh online um our staff and we have uh marlis mccarger our uh planner um thank

[0:02:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): you marlis for all of your work in preparing this meeting um we have renee gemarat our uh regional

[0:02:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): planning manager uh thank you also renee for being here and supporting the ltc and the work that you

[0:02:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): you do, on the new work that you do on preserving and helping us preserve and protect the wellness

[0:02:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): trust area. We also have Rob Pringle, who's looking after our technology today. Thank you

[0:02:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): very much, Rob, from Salt Spring. And Diane Corbett is our minute taker here today. Thank you, Diane.

[0:03:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): So if that's all right, let us begin. We have an agenda before us, and I'll just ask if there's any

[0:03:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): any late items that you'd like to add,

[0:03:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): or if there's any adjustments to the agenda

[0:03:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): that are necessary.

[0:03:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): So trustees, and I'll go to Kate Stanford.

[0:03:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you, Chair.

[0:03:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm not really sure where to put this,

[0:03:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): but I was under the impression that we would be getting

[0:03:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): a water sustainability recharge report

[0:03:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): for the Howe Sound area sometime in March.

[0:03:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): and i am just wondering what the status of that is because i don't see it anywhere

[0:03:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): all

[0:03:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): right uh marlis do you have a comment like

[0:03:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): can i add that in or should we just try and find

[0:03:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): a place to answer

[0:03:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): why don't we just have a discussion and then that might give an opportunity

[0:03:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): for uh marlis to uh prepare herself for that so if that's all right then um why don't we just add

[0:04:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): that at new business 11.2 we'll add it i see there's climate mitigation adaption which i had

[0:04:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): some questions about as well so we could have a wholesome conversation there if that's all right

[0:04:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that okay uh trustee bernardo yes

[0:04:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i'm fine anything

[0:04:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): else uh no thank you and joe anything

[0:04:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): to add or remove from the agenda i have nothing to add thank you thank you very much um all right

[0:04:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): then so i'm going to then uh take it that uh the agenda be um approved uh by general consent as

[0:04:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): amended and this will lead us directly into reporting out and we have trustee

[0:04:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): reports at the beginning of our agenda and I don't recall who went first last

[0:04:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): time but who would like to go first this time well

[0:04:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'll jump in because I've got

[0:04:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I've got basically nothing to report so trustee Stanford thank you okay

[0:04:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Okay,

[0:04:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Stamford.

[0:05:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): So as a trustee report,

[0:05:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): most of my work was done sort of at a regional level,

[0:05:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): but I'll just briefly touch on,

[0:05:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): I attended the Salt Spring Island

[0:05:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): fire risk reduction workshop, day long workshop.

[0:05:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): I found very interesting and I'm working towards

[0:05:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): towards how we can translate that style of information to um the house down some things

[0:05:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): apply some things don't so I'll be following up on that I think there were sort of the approaches

[0:05:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): that were suggested were quite valuable um I've been working with trustee Bernardo on the

[0:05:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): governance committee of it's fascinating how different trustees over the two different terms

[0:05:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): firms are viewing the the context of that committee that important committee so I look forward to keep

[0:05:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): working on that um as my uh fellow trustees know we were in Nanaimo last week um and it was a really

[0:06:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): good discussions again seeing how a um a new trust Council slowly collates together and gels um and

[0:06:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): really excited to see the level of conversation we passed our budget and i'll let chair luckum

[0:06:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): review that um today i met a couple of members of the squamish nation marine group uh on new brighton

[0:06:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): dock and they are in the process of doing some basic fix fixes for the dock and i'm trying to

[0:06:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): set up an opportunity to speak with them tomorrow to get more details about the engineering report

[0:06:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): that also has been recently released. I haven't seen it yet but they had it in hand and they seem

[0:06:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): quite happy to talk about it. And on that note I also had a quick chat with our MLA Nicholas

[0:07:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): Simons yesterday about ways forward to find a long-term funding support for the new Brighton

[0:07:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): dog specifically so that's my report trustee report all

[0:07:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): right thank you very much uh uh kate

[0:07:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): um uh indeed um uh the council met last week as uh as um kate louise has uh mentioned and that was

[0:07:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): our march council uh budget bylaw we called it um and indeed uh we adopted a new budget 2022-2023

[0:07:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): um there was a news release that went out that uh told us the magic numbers but ostensibly it's a

[0:07:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): 2.06 percent increase um that folks can expect generally across the honest trust area um there

[0:07:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): are some new build additional costs uh revenues that come in and uh on bowen island municipality

[0:08:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): the number is less than one percent plus the new build um uh revenues that are coming in

[0:08:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): And the total budget is at $9.7 million.

[0:08:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): I got to say that trustees and council and actually your local trustee, Joe Bernardo,

[0:08:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): as chair of the Financial Planning Committee, worked incredibly hard to provide some reductions

[0:08:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the overall increase.

[0:08:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that was successful.

[0:08:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): And indeed, council adopted a budget.

[0:08:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we can now move into our term fully funded and conduct the work that we aspire to do to preserve and protect the balanced trust area.

[0:08:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): So grateful to Trustee Bernardo for his leadership on the Financial Planning Committee.

[0:08:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): And of course, Kate Louise as well for your chiming in on the hot topics and issues that there was a good bit of debate.

[0:09:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it's a good solid budget. So thank you.

[0:09:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): um

[0:09:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): if i may very briefly respond uh mr chair it's very kind of you to compliment me for that but the

[0:09:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): reality is at best i was a traffic cop on a committee full of very hard working people

[0:09:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): um i think the budget was a success but uh as the chair indicated it was a lot of work

[0:09:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but it really was and to be fair about this it truly was a collective effort and we would not

[0:09:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): have achieved it except for the fact that all committee members contributed and wrestled

[0:09:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): difficult issues in a difficult financial climate where we were presented with roughly a seven

[0:09:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): hundred thousand dollar unexpected increase due to bcgu contract negotiations other issues and um

[0:10:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the committee members strive very hard to be responsible and i do want to acknowledge that

[0:10:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): this was a collective effort in the best sense of the word and thank you mr chair for letting me

[0:10:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): barge in to say that thank you

[0:10:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): um absolutely it's a a group effort but i do thank you for

[0:10:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): the leadership on the financial planning committee um so i'm going to continue on here to electoral

[0:10:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): area directors report this is a standing item where we coincidentally it happens to be a trustee

[0:10:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's not the case in all situations but we like to hear from the area directors and so

[0:10:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): caitlyn stanford do you have anything additional to report with respect to your scrd responsibilities

[0:10:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank

[0:10:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): you. We are also in budgeting process for the regional district and something that was quite unusual to discover is, although our Provincial Islands Trust is April to March financial year,

[0:11:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): All the regional districts are in a January to December year, so we actually budget for the current year, which I find kind of unusual, but there's been a lot of work.

[0:11:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Again, when you've got a group of eight, there was a lot of discussion and we are looking at a budget that will be close to 8% increase for area F properties.

[0:11:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that can be very different depending on the type of services you participate in across Keats, across Gambier.

[0:11:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): So it varies greatly, but that's what we're looking at right now.

[0:11:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): And there will be some more adjustments. We are expecting to pass this March 23rd.

[0:11:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh february early february um the regional district had an information meeting for keats

[0:12:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): islanders specifically in the eastbourne area who are on the community well system

[0:12:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): to go over the details of the new proposed well and water augmentation

[0:12:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): project and that is also going through the budget process as well

[0:12:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): I attended a really interesting water sustainability workshop yesterday. It was with

[0:12:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): all the elected people on the Sunshine Coast, including the Seychelles nation. They actually

[0:12:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): hosted it. And much more wide-ranging, like big questions about water values, about the status of

[0:12:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): of how we view water across the region.

[0:12:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): I didn't realize that it had never been done before

[0:12:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): to have all the different elected groups come together

[0:12:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): in this way and lots of questions, lots of ideas.

[0:13:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): So this is the critical priority for this regional area

[0:13:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): for the upcoming term.

[0:13:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): And we also had our MLA there as well participating.

[0:13:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): And last week we had a good meeting with the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, the regional representatives, a lot of good information.

[0:13:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): We kept to the mainland primarily for the issues, but there was a lot of good information about how subdivisions operate through MOTI.

[0:13:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): Moti. I was not aware that although the approving officer is in Moti, it's actually a completely

[0:13:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): separate and independent entity and is not monitored by Moti at all. It's its own little

[0:13:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): world. So I did bring up the islands and confirmed that we will have a meeting with them specifically

[0:13:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): specifically soon as the regional operations manager was very clear and he goes, well,

[0:14:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Gambier and Keats are unique. And that's all he wanted to say. So we will get into that uniqueness

[0:14:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): at a later date. I know we're looking at maybe the end of April for a meeting with Modi.

[0:14:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that's all I like, you know, there's lots going on. But I think that does gives you a

[0:14:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): a broad brush view of what's going on here.

[0:14:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): Any questions or arising?

[0:14:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): I

[0:14:30] Voice 11: can't hear you.

[0:14:33] Voice 11: Nothing from my end.

[0:14:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, okay.

[0:14:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, no questions for the director.

[0:14:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for your service to the CRD and the Alliance Trust.

[0:14:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm gonna continue on here.

[0:14:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): We don't have any delegations today.

[0:14:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Delegations are typically by prior request and consent.

[0:14:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): public comments is more open and i'm assuming uh rob uh that you have the ability to promote uh

[0:15:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): folks your presence here you have the opportunity to promote folks if they wish to address the ltc

[0:15:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): so thank you sir for that uh work and we do have two people in the uh attending us and um i'll just

[0:15:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): ask those folks if they wish to address the local trust committee today um if you could raise your

[0:15:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): your hand. And if you're on Zoom, you can do that at the bottom of your screen. If you're on a

[0:15:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): telephone, you can do that with the pound nine, I believe it is. So just pause for a moment.

[0:15:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Either of the two folks that are attending the meeting through Zoom, do you wish to address the

[0:15:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): local trust committee at this time? Not seeing hands popping up. I'm going to assume not. So

[0:15:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): So thank you for joining us

[0:15:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we'll continue on with the agenda.

[0:15:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Local Trust Committee meeting minutes are before us,

[0:16:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): dated January the 31st, 2023.

[0:16:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Kate Louise Stanford, I understand you had some amendments

[0:16:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): that you forwarded to staff.

[0:16:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you wanna just quickly summarize those?

[0:16:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yes, thank you.

[0:16:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think because we had a different minute taker,

[0:16:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i i feel i should have been more careful in in how i thought about what i was saying

[0:16:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): um so i just want to clarify a few things um on page three um just there's a comment about

[0:16:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): acknowledging first nations can we uh delete that and just say acknowledge that the committee was

[0:16:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): meeting on the Squamish, Musqueam, and Tsleil-Waututh First Nations because it

[0:16:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): missed out the Squamish in the in the bullet point

[0:16:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): there. Oh I see, so you want

[0:16:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so you've copied that to staff so they can just

[0:17:01] Voice 9: read it. Yes, I have. So that seems fine.

[0:17:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's in your trustees report section. Yes. Thank you. Anything further?

[0:17:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then page 4, the

[0:17:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): The electoral report, there's a section about meeting

[0:17:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): with the Squamish Nation.

[0:17:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): It actually should say upcoming community engagement session

[0:17:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): with local residents in the Southwest Peninsula

[0:17:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): about the future of the new Brighton Dock

[0:17:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): currently owned by the Squamish Nation.

[0:17:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): There was no actual meeting set up.

[0:17:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I'm trying to clarify that.

[0:17:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): I

[0:17:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): see. Okay. So again, you've copied that.

[0:17:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes,

[0:17:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): all this has been copied to Diane. On page five, former trustee Dan Roger,

[0:17:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): there's a second bullet and it mentions meeting with the Sechelt and the Sechelt Nation.

[0:17:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): it read if we could just take out the word seashell and because it was only in

[0:18:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): terms of speaking with

[0:18:06] Voice 11: the seashell nation okay with

[0:18:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): the naming there yeah

[0:18:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): it sounds like two different entities it was just one okay page six the APC the

[0:18:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): the comment about legalities,

[0:18:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): it was actually not so much legalities

[0:18:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): as legislative requirements.

[0:18:38] Voice 11: And then finally

[0:18:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): on page eight, there's a comment,

[0:18:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): a trustee noted that besides scientific rationale,

[0:18:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): blah, blah, blah.

[0:18:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): Do you see that Diane?

[0:18:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): It should read amendments,

[0:19:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): Instead of saying amendments to the bylaw was that past activities on the foreshore

[0:19:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): had destructive impacts to neighboring properties, I hope that's not how I described it specifically

[0:19:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): because what I meant to say was amendments to the bylaw was that disturbances in the

[0:19:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): foreshore can have environmental impacts as well as aggravate erosion and damage to neighboring

[0:19:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): properties.

[0:19:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): So it was a more global statement rather than a specific statement.

[0:19:35] Voice 9: OK, so you've given specific

[0:19:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): wording to. Yes. OK.

[0:19:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that's essentially what you've done there. I am that. OK.

[0:19:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that's the end of your amendments. Yes. Yes, please.

[0:19:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, Trustee Bernardo, are you do you have any questions about those amendments or satisfied with the nature of them?

[0:19:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): No, I'm satisfied with all of them.

[0:20:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): OK, thank you.

[0:20:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): so then uh i'll just then turn to trustee bernardo do you have any additional amendments for the

[0:20:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): minutes no

[0:20:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i do not all

[0:20:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): right then so then i'm going to take it then that the local trust

[0:20:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee minutes dated january 31st be adopted as amended and that's by general consent so thank

[0:20:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much kate for your uh work there appreciate that so included on our agenda

[0:20:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): agenda is a resolution without meeting log. That is simply an administrative opportunity that the

[0:20:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Islands Trust uniquely has in its legislation to be able to conduct administrative matters that do

[0:20:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): not require discussion. And we are, of course, obligated to report out on those decisions. And

[0:20:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): essentially, that's the decision that's before us is deferring enforcement on existing seawalls

[0:20:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): on thornby island uh there's some additional detail there for those that in the in the agenda

[0:21:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): for those that are interested so unless there's any questions i'll move on to uh advisory planning

[0:21:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): commission meeting minutes and there are none for us today to consider and um so this will move us

[0:21:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): into business arising from the minutes and we have the follow-up action list uh dated march the 7th

[0:21:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): and uh that work is listed there i'll just briefly ask uh renee or marlas uh if there are any new uh

[0:21:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): late uh updates to that follow-up action list otherwise i'll just go to trustees for questions

[0:21:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): on individual items are there any further updates no no okay so trustees do you have any questions

[0:21:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): about any of the items on your follow-up action list

[0:21:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): on page 13.

[0:22:00] Voice 11: Trustee Bernardo?

[0:22:01] Voice 11: So I have a, okay, go ahead.

[0:22:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): No, please go ahead, Trustee Stamford.

[0:22:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): I just have a question on page 14, item number four.

[0:22:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): The second part of that fuel item

[0:22:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): is identification reserves and properties.

[0:22:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): and add education, educational outreach and environmentally

[0:22:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): friendly mooring buoys to the project list. I, I understood we

[0:22:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): moved that into the OCP process. But I don't, I just want to make

[0:22:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): sure that that is included somewhere in the OCP LUV project

[0:22:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): and make sure that those items have been captured. So they're

[0:22:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): not lost because it says that is completed um

[0:22:58] Planner McCargar (probable): i believe it should be in the projects list um

[0:23:07] Voice 11: but of course the projects list is on page 88 um 80 page 89 thank you so if i just basically

[0:23:37] Voice 11: if i can

[0:23:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): be assured you know i'll keep an eye on it but that that is captured somewhere in our

[0:23:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): our overall work program for the project itself because we don't

[0:23:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): have a report on that project

[0:23:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): right this time this time so

[0:23:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you want to add that to the descriptor there on item two um and

[0:24:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): maybe i'll just seek staff advice and i see renee gemarat rpm you have your hand up so please help

[0:24:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): us with that good

[0:24:12] Voice 7: morning chair and trustees um to clarify if i may trustee stanford um your question

[0:24:19] Voice 7: was to um you just wanted to double check that the item on page item 4 on page 14 under the follow-up

[0:24:30] Voice 7: action report um mark has completed the that the the information flagged for the ocp and land use

[0:24:40] Voice 7: by-law project was driven forward into the by-law and you're also asking for

[0:24:47] Voice 7: some confirmation that we've done the outreach on the mooring buoys sorry my

[0:24:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): internet is particularly slow so I'm gonna and I don't know why because I'm

[0:25:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the Gibsons darn it it only not that it's been done but that it's part of the

[0:25:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): the OCP LUB project.

[0:25:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I see now, like I'm looking at item number four,

[0:25:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): says the following be classified as a OCP LUB project.

[0:25:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): But I'm hoping that as we're working on it anyway,

[0:25:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): that it be included in the work report

[0:25:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): as to how we deal with that.

[0:25:34] Voice 7: Okay, so what I can suggest for staff

[0:25:38] Voice 7: staff is that we capture, we ensure that's captured either as the OCP project under the

[0:25:47] Voice 7: upcoming LUB flag, or if it's already been completed as an amendment, we can share that

[0:25:54] Voice 7: update to clarify that with you.

[0:25:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): Right. Yeah, I know it hasn't been completed,

[0:26:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): it renee i i just want to make sure it's in our work um report for our current ocp lub project

[0:26:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): so i'm going to suggest that when we get to item 13.1 13.2 um let's ensure that we're comfortable

[0:26:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the language that's presented i'll bring

[0:26:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): it up again yeah

[0:26:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah um all right uh okay thanks

[0:26:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thanks.

[0:26:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): No, Trustee Bernardo, anything on the follow-up action?

[0:26:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yep.

[0:26:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): First of all, I think this has probably been

[0:26:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): explained before and I may have missed it,

[0:26:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but I find the follow-up action reports a little,

[0:26:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): not super difficult, but less efficient to use

[0:26:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): than preferable, but I don't understand.

[0:26:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And somebody is going to give me,

[0:26:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): there's probably a good reason for it,

[0:26:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but why completed projects or initiatives or actions

[0:27:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): are still on the list.

[0:27:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Cause it just seems to, you know,

[0:27:05] Trustee Bernardo (probable): just gives you more to have to scroll through.

[0:27:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And the, that's one question.

[0:27:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So perhaps that could be explained to me, please.

[0:27:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Why don't we go to RPM Jamarat to explain that process

[0:27:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): and if you need any support there,

[0:27:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm happy to chime in as well.

[0:27:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): sure

[0:27:28] Voice 7: through the chair um i would love to see these complete completed items also come off

[0:27:33] Voice 7: once um you've the public members and and trustees and chair has had a look at them

[0:27:40] Voice 7: um just to help clean them up and i'll also defer to our um staff planner marlis to to just add a

[0:27:48] Voice 7: little bit of information just so i'm not missing a beat on on that but i do appreciate that the

[0:27:54] Voice 7: completed items once done can come off all

[0:27:57] Voice 11: right thank you yeah

[0:27:59] Planner McCargar (probable): through the chair i can just do a

[0:28:01] Planner McCargar (probable): quick clarification um we typically just leave them on for one ltc meeting cycle so that you

[0:28:07] Planner McCargar (probable): can see that it was completed during the last um so they would come they would come off now that

[0:28:12] Planner McCargar (probable): you've seen a lot of these things have been completed they'll come off for the next ltc

[0:28:16] Planner McCargar (probable): meeting that's

[0:28:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): great thank you uh more substantively uh at the last meeting um i requested that um staff

[0:28:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): um look into the uh science that underlies the proposed bylaws that emerged out of the

[0:28:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): key shoreline protection project um as described i've got two related questions i'm just curious

[0:28:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): as to how we're progressing on that front but um as it's described the activity report isn't um

[0:28:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): isn't exactly what i was getting at which is it's not to investigate data regarding

[0:28:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): regarding projected sea level rise.

[0:28:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): It's really to document the science

[0:28:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in which the proposed bylaws rely on

[0:28:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to the extent that that's possible.

[0:29:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And as I mentioned at the time,

[0:29:05] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm not looking for staff to do any new research.

[0:29:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I just want to see the references

[0:29:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to the research work that was done

[0:29:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): or a science that was obtained from off the shelf

[0:29:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): from either the province or the federal government or some other source that provides the underlying

[0:29:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): scientific rationale for various provisions in the proposed bylaws. So it's not just a matter of

[0:29:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): looking to the projected sea level rise. It's really what data is correlated to the amendments

[0:29:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that are in the proposed bylaws.

[0:29:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm trying to find that on the follow-up action list.

[0:29:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): which item number is that that

[0:29:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): would be uh well item number one yes uh

[0:29:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): oh hang on where are we here uh i've got myself confused here now

[0:30:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Whoops. It looks like I could be getting myself confused here. I was looking at item number one, and I realize now this is, apologies everybody, this is evidence about how I can't read the follow-up action report and why amending it may not be necessary for other people, but for my own remedial purposes, it may be necessary.

[0:30:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): necessary uh please bear with me here because i realize i've read the wrong light item i should

[0:30:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): be looking january 31st uh

[0:30:32] Voice 11: yes uh just bear with me

[0:30:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i'm sorry about this yeah

[0:30:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): well i was struggling

[0:30:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): trying to figure out where you were so but no worries it takes used to getting it takes a while

[0:30:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): to get used to how things are managed and actually the follow-up action report does okay

[0:30:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay yeah

[0:30:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and uh i might need a planet mccarger's uh assistance here and i i'm sorry about that but

[0:31:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): as far as i can tell in the follow-up action report list and i'm having to amend what i was

[0:31:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): saying before uh there doesn't seem to be a reference to that request i made last time

[0:31:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh that and if i'm wrong please direct me to it but uh it doesn't seem to what i talked about

[0:31:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): up before about correlating the science to the proposed bylaws, I can't find that item in the

[0:31:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): follow-up action list. Have I missed it here?

[0:31:29] Planner McCargar (probable): Through the chair, I think you're correct. So I

[0:31:31] Planner McCargar (probable): had understood that to be a sort of a follow-up from on page 13. When we'd had this discussion,

[0:31:41] Planner McCargar (probable): we were talking about this long-standing item on the fuel list, which is the request staff to

[0:31:46] Planner McCargar (probable): investigate the sea level rise data. So I thought that that had captured it and I was doing some

[0:31:54] Planner McCargar (probable): follow-up related to that but I hear what you're saying around and I'm remembering from the past

[0:32:01] Planner McCargar (probable): meeting you were asking for, excuse me, more of an annotated bibliography of sorts or maybe you

[0:32:08] Planner McCargar (probable): can refresh my memory and I will make sure that it gets on the follow-up action list in the future

[0:32:15] Planner McCargar (probable): And typically, I'll just add, if it's a resolution, then it definitely gets on the follow-up action list, and that's a really good way to track it.

[0:32:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Well, before we get to that, if it's necessary, I'm not sure it is, but I take your point on that.

[0:32:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): But, right, to reiterate where I was coming from with that original request is it's – and I'll try to put this as plainly as I can,

[0:32:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): because uh i don't think i explained it very clearly before um a lot of residents on keats

[0:32:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): island have concerns and really questions about the underlying rationale for the proposed bylaws

[0:32:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): everybody understands that they emerge from the from the foreshore protection project

[0:33:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and that they're uh the amendments are really intended to um to a certain extent

[0:33:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): mitigate the effects of climate change to the extent that it's feasible through planning

[0:33:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and that's the strategy and the focus is on the foreshore and that so i don't think there's any

[0:33:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): objection by anybody to the to the larger purpose and goal of of the bylaws but uh

[0:33:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): many residents have questions about whether or not the bylaws really do that

[0:33:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh and a persistent question that keeps coming up is for example why do we have this new what

[0:33:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): this new say approach to doing something with respect to um clearing brush or cutting trees

[0:33:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): whatever it happens to be how does that relate to protecting the forest and what's the science

[0:34:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's not that anybody's quibbling with the fact that we're facing rising tides or sorry a rising

[0:34:12] Trustee Bernardo (probable): sea level and all sorts of potential issues that emerge from that uh what they want to see is like

[0:34:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what's the scientific justification for doing this or that in the bylaw that is actually going to

[0:34:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): mitigate it what's our rational basis for saying that that's why i was asking for basically and

[0:34:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): you're right uh i was asking for something along the lines of an annotated bylaw that correlates

[0:34:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the amendments that are aimed at climate mitigation with the underlying science

[0:34:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that justifies the amendments to the extent that that is feasible based on

[0:34:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what the planning department had relied on in the first instance i'm not looking for and it

[0:34:58] Trustee Bernardo (probable): wouldn't be appropriate to be you know sending staff off scurrying off to sort of like come up

[0:35:03] Trustee Bernardo (probable): with some encyclopedia of science to justify it i'm not asking for an exercise in advocacy i'm

[0:35:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): just looking for um really what was the historical basis on which uh planners were directed to go in

[0:35:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): this direction and

[0:35:19] Voice 11: uh i hope that's clear enough if it's not i'm happy to elaborate a bit more

[0:35:23] Voice 11: um

[0:35:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): flannery mccarver or renee jemarat do you have um any remarks there i

[0:35:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): might have some advice but trustee stanford i also see your hand up but uh

[0:35:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh i'll i'll give staff a bit more chance because i think again following up on um trustee bernardo's

[0:35:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): comments i do remember um talking specifically about sea level rise but then also

[0:35:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): the bigger question of how to embed the bylaws in in the scientific justification

[0:36:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): now oddly enough for some reason somewhere in this package is a visual from ocean watch

[0:36:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): much. And so suddenly I can't find it. But it

[0:36:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): actually was right in the documents. So

[0:36:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): it showed basically the very rough outline of the islands and the sea level rise expected

[0:36:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): in various parts of those islands or their vulnerabilities specifically to sea level

[0:36:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): level rise and then the next page was the other one of the other issues which is uh um the storm

[0:36:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): surge um so I don't know where that is um but I it was in there somewhere because it I it sent me to

[0:36:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): my ocean watch um volumes to look at that a little bit more um but I think what I'm understanding

[0:37:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): from trustee Bernardo is is more than that but that there is more options or

[0:37:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): sightings that could be added to the bylaws at least for information that

[0:37:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): would provide background into where the rationale comes from

[0:37:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): specifically a link

[0:37:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): on the agenda cover oh

[0:37:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): is that what it was yeah okay that's what it was because

[0:37:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): i couldn't find it in the package itself but i knew it was in there somewhere um so i don't know

[0:37:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): if that is that you know that's a very general statement as and um it's just based on um

[0:37:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): provincial standards for expected sea level rise but there's way more um added to the

[0:37:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): the rationale for those particular bylaws around the foreshore um as to why it's being considered

[0:38:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): and it does speak to um the need for uh protecting um maintaining shade for that particular sensitive

[0:38:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): areas things like that so that we you know that there's a variety of sources but um that needs

[0:38:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): to be looked at further then well

[0:38:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i've seen those materials when i was reviewing the agenda um uh

[0:38:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and uh if trustee stanford's referring to a map that i recall saying that shows relative effects

[0:38:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of sea level rise in house sound i've seen that and it's helpful to some extent but uh trustee

[0:38:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): stanford's correct i'm looking for something a bit more granular than that um that is specifically

[0:38:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): tied to the provisions in the proposed bylaws because that's really the level at which

[0:38:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): people on Keats Island, that's the question that they want to have answered.

[0:39:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): It's really a simple proposition, which is that the amendments within the bylaws are essentially,

[0:39:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to put it in the simplest way, being justified on the basis that they're helpful in terms of climate mitigation.

[0:39:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And people on Keats Island are saying, well, that's fine. Well, show me.

[0:39:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Tell me why this or that amendment is going to do that.

[0:39:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And it seems to me that that's not original with me that residents have asked, like, what's the science that tells you that doing this is going to make a difference to the effects of climate change?

[0:39:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Now, I appreciate it may not be possible to do that feature, but to the extent it's feasible and to the extent that that information is the historical basis on which we relied on, I mean, it's really a matter of trying to answer residents' question, which is what is it that we relied on to come up with this?

[0:40:03] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh and that needs to be explained and that's where i'm coming from so yes

[0:40:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the long-winded way uh you know i'm responding to trustee stanford and say yeah uh but we need

[0:40:15] Voice 11: something more granular than what's already been provided uh

[0:40:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): planner mccarter do you have

[0:40:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): some additional remarks on trustee stanford perhaps if you're finished you'd lower your hand

[0:40:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): no

[0:40:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): i have something to add but i'd like to hear from

[0:40:33] Voice 11: staff yeah

[0:40:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you thank

[0:40:38] Planner McCargar (probable): you uh i just

[0:40:39] Planner McCargar (probable): wanted to note that we've received direction to schedule a community information meeting at the

[0:40:48] Planner McCargar (probable): next in-person Keats Island so that Keats Island LTC meeting so we would be holding a community

[0:40:55] Planner McCargar (probable): information meeting after that meeting on June 20th and I can suggest that it would be appropriate

[0:41:03] Planner McCargar (probable): at that time I would typically come with a presentation and I could also come with a

[0:41:08] Planner McCargar (probable): a handout for the people that attend that goes into a little bit more detail like what you're

[0:41:14] Planner McCargar (probable): asking, Trustee Bernardo. And I guess the other, it would be helpful if you could put this into

[0:41:21] Planner McCargar (probable): a resolution because that just gives us really clear direction from the LTC on exactly what is

[0:41:28] Planner McCargar (probable): being asked. And then that really makes sure that it gets on this fuel list and that it gets on our

[0:41:32] Planner McCargar (probable): work program.

[0:41:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I appreciate that. And while we're carrying on with other business, I'll try to

[0:41:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it'll pop up something together

[0:41:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and then perhaps we could return to that item

[0:41:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): at an appropriate moment

[0:41:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and I will throw out the resolution out there for comment

[0:41:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and perhaps we can get to where we need to that way.

[0:41:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And what you had just described, Planner McArter,

[0:41:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): is really the context for why I'm asking for the information

[0:41:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): when what you've described is exactly where

[0:42:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I was hoping we'd get to,

[0:42:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): which is I want to make that information available to,

[0:42:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): ideally to people before the meeting,

[0:42:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So if the handout is something that we can circulate or make available on the website or something like that, that'd be optimal.

[0:42:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): If it's not possible, I understand.

[0:42:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): But it's really within the context of that committee information meeting that I would like to have that information available to the residents.

[0:42:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So they've got that to work with when we have that discussion and when they ask their questions and they expect a response for us from us of some sort.

[0:42:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So I'll work on that resolution while we carry on with some of those in business, and then I'll bring it up at an appropriate moment.

[0:42:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[0:42:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Planner McCarger, do you have any additional advice at this time?

[0:42:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): No.

[0:42:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Stamford, I'll go to you for your other remark, and maybe I'll just chime in with some context.

[0:42:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, so two things here is, number one, if local residents are looking for granular information,

[0:43:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): information that this is specific to Keats and this is this is what works only on Keats I'm not

[0:43:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): sure if that is available yet but that would be maybe something that's coming out of the mapping

[0:43:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): the flood mapping project that

[0:43:22] Voice 11: the trust counts I would lost your signal trustee Sanford in in the

[0:43:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): the area. So that might help specific to Keats. But a lot of the information that we are looking

[0:43:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): at is not specific to Keats. It is general principles that scientific evidence has provided

[0:43:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): it up and down the coast that um ecosystems reliant on the foreshore um do better with shade

[0:44:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): or you know a complete ecosystem intact so it's more that kind of um overall studies rather than

[0:44:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): what is specific to keats so i think the science can be brought there to this but it won't be okay

[0:44:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): this is what happens on keats but nowhere else so that's why that map was you know as far as the

[0:44:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): best practices for the provincial sea level rise information based on the the um elevation of those

[0:44:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): areas around those islands this is what we're looking at um so that's sort of the level that

[0:44:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): we think we have available at this time but anyway i think you know we'll find out more

[0:44:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): well if i may respond to that um i don't think it necessarily has to be keith specific i mean

[0:44:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it happens to be there that's terrific but um the type of things that trustee sanford was talking

[0:45:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): about that's that's fine as well i mean it's it's really um whatever information uh scientific

[0:45:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): information is used as a justification that rationalizes the amendments that's what people

[0:45:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): are looking for and of course it makes sense i mean there can be generic science that applies

[0:45:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): lies all across Howe Sound that would be equally applicable

[0:45:20] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to Keats as to Gambier as to some of the other islands.

[0:45:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I understand that.

[0:45:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And that might be all it takes with respect to some items.

[0:45:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Some things might require Keats specific, I don't know.

[0:45:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): But it really is just a matter of transparency here

[0:45:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): for the benefit of the residents.

[0:45:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So they just know what was relied on

[0:45:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): by this or that amendment.

[0:45:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): If it turns out to be like a general scientific observation of what the effect of sea level

[0:45:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): rises will be on the islands generically, and this or that methodology has been identified

[0:45:58] Trustee Bernardo (probable): as a way of mitigating that systemic phenomenon, that's fine too.

[0:46:05] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Let's just find the rationalizations so people can get their hands around it.

[0:46:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): because at the end of the day i mean that's what's persuasive to people i mean it's hard

[0:46:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): especially when you know we've got to be frank about this when there's when a certain amount

[0:46:20] Trustee Bernardo (probable): for whether rightly or wrongly when there's been a certain amount of skepticism within the community

[0:46:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): about an initiative it has to be justified to people and i'm trying to find a path here to

[0:46:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): provide people the information they need to satisfy themselves that these bylaws make sense

[0:46:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): is. And so that's the idea here. So I'll continue working on this. I don't want to take up any more

[0:46:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): time than we have to on this point. So I've got nothing else to say at the moment on this.

[0:46:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, thank you, Trustee Bernardo, for raising it. I think you've, you know, quite honestly,

[0:47:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): as a new trustee, you've raised some questions that need answers, not only for yourself,

[0:47:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): but for the community and particularly for potentially new community members also that

[0:47:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): are coming to the table because of current interests and you know this I just would add

[0:47:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): to this and you've actually ended up in the in the right place in identifying that regionally

[0:47:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): there has been a lot of information that's been collected and thought that has evolved

[0:47:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): And indeed, time marches on and climate change marches on. And there's been substantive work done on green shores protection and shoreline mitigation work and indeed sea level rise and climate change impacts throughout the entire area.

[0:47:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think what we need to be sure that we're doing to not only answer Trustee Bernard's questions, but members of the public, particularly going into a community information session, is that we consolidate all this sort of communal knowledge that we have within the Islands Trust about those projects and those discussions that have happened historically to inform the underlying principles around the necessity for shoreline protection looking into the future.

[0:48:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so we wanna, what I think we need to do

[0:48:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): is make sure that we're prepared,

[0:48:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): have that information well in advance

[0:48:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the community information meeting

[0:48:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that the trustees can all be on the same page

[0:48:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the public can come with informed questions

[0:48:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): based upon what we know.

[0:48:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I agree completely with the notion

[0:48:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): that if we're amending bylaws,

[0:48:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): we need to be able to refer to the knowledge base

[0:48:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): or the science or traditional knowledge or otherwise that supports the notion of making

[0:48:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): those amendments and doing that work so I think it exists but parachuting in now as a new council

[0:49:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): I would suspect there's 15 other members of council that have exactly the same questions

[0:49:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): that trustee Bernardo has so you've now asked Marlis for a motion particularly

[0:49:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): particularly um and i think that maybe that will come up when we get to item um where are we here

[0:49:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): now no we are here uh we're on the follow-up action so we're about to go into shoreline

[0:49:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): erosion sea level rise and business case so we've kind of jumped into that section here but as far

[0:49:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): as uh a future community information meeting goes and the bylaws that are in process um i think we

[0:49:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): need some specific direction. I'll seek your advice, Planner McArter, based upon what you've

[0:49:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): heard, what that specific request might be in order to prepare us for the future meeting.

[0:49:59] Planner McCargar (probable): Thanks, Chair. So we do already have direction to schedule a community information meeting.

[0:50:06] Planner McCargar (probable): That resolution was passed at the last meeting. But I think any clarity, just sort of, I guess,

[0:50:14] Planner McCargar (probable): the sort of succinct summarization, Trustee Bernardo, of what your request is for that

[0:50:22] Planner McCargar (probable): community information meeting would be, yeah, would be what we need to move forward. And I think we're

[0:50:27] Planner McCargar (probable): getting pretty close to that.

[0:50:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah. So let's give Trustee Bernardo some time to reflect on that

[0:50:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): ask. And let's just fall back to the follow-up action list briefly. Is there anything else on

[0:50:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): the follow-up action list that we just need to discuss today and just as a tip indeed motions

[0:50:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): by the ltc end up as follow-up action list items general discussion doesn't necessarily get

[0:50:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): integrated into that so if we want it on the follow-up action list to get a status report

[0:51:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): as that work advances it's by motion and it ends up on the on the list and when the work is done

[0:51:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): done it comes off the list at the meeting that it's reported out that that work has been done

[0:51:12] Trustee Bernardo (probable): thank you um so

[0:51:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): anything further on the follow-up action list trustee Stanford yeah just briefly

[0:51:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): um page 17 from our last meeting um has the letter to the Thornby property owners being set

[0:51:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): and um can we get a copy of that oh

[0:51:32] Voice 12: good

[0:51:33] Voice 11: question uh planner mcarger you're you're on mute

[0:51:43] Voice 11: I

[0:51:43] Planner McCargar (probable): haven't actually seen a letter and so I will follow up I see that Warren marked the status

[0:51:49] Planner McCargar (probable): as completed but I will follow up with Warren about that item.

[0:51:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thanks. Okay thank you. So that

[0:51:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): covers us on the follow-up action list then? Planner McCarver?

[0:52:02] Planner McCargar (probable): Yes through the chair I just

[0:52:03] Planner McCargar (probable): did want to touch on what Trustee Stanford had said kind of at the beginning of this discussion

[0:52:08] Planner McCargar (probable): discussion and it was related to the Gambier OCP LUB project. I did want, there isn't a report

[0:52:16] Planner McCargar (probable): or work plan included in this agenda package and I just wanted to let you know that you might

[0:52:23] Planner McCargar (probable): already know actually that this project has been moved over to the regional planning team

[0:52:28] Planner McCargar (probable): and Sonia Zupanak is going to be the lead on the OCP LUB review project. So she was waiting for

[0:52:37] Planner McCargar (probable): for the budget in March before she continues

[0:52:40] Planner McCargar (probable): with coming forward with an updated project charter

[0:52:44] Planner McCargar (probable): and a work plan.

[0:52:45] Planner McCargar (probable): So that will be presented at your next meeting.

[0:52:50] Planner McCargar (probable): And she's hoping to be able to meet with Squamish Nation

[0:52:54] Planner McCargar (probable): in the meanwhile as well so that they can help

[0:52:57] Planner McCargar (probable): with creating the draft project charter work plan.

[0:53:01] Planner McCargar (probable): And I can make sure that the item that,

[0:53:06] Planner McCargar (probable): you know about the crown strips and properties that that is reflected in the

[0:53:12] Planner McCargar (probable): the updated project charter thank

[0:53:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): you can I respond to or ask for the

[0:53:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): questions yes um so that's really good I'm glad to hear it's being moved over

[0:53:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): to regional planning I am a little bit worried about the timing on this because

[0:53:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): that brings it into mid-june and um that meeting is going to be on keats and we'll certainly have

[0:53:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): a focus on keats island so um is it worth reaching out to sonia at a later date and seeing um if we

[0:53:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): could just talk about um options that i can support my community on i don't want to lose

[0:53:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): some momentum the community had i recognize there's no funding for community engagement

[0:54:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): so much this term this year but um the community is entrusted so i'm hoping to at least be able

[0:54:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): to talk to people um i'm planning to do a few community meetings not specifically to the ocp but

[0:54:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): um to go to some of the more remote communities and because they're the ones that are feeling

[0:54:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): feeling they want to say more and have that engagement opportunity so is it worth reaching

[0:54:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): out to Sonya I don't know how the regional planning team is working yet like what the

[0:54:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): the process is to engage with them

[0:54:47] Voice 11: RPM

[0:54:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Gemara thank

[0:54:51] Voice 7: you through the chair um trustee Stanford

[0:54:54] Voice 7: um you can reach out to Sonya and myself and we can make sure we can have that conversation and

[0:55:03] Voice 7: and see what information would be helpful

[0:55:06] Voice 7: that we either have now or how to work that through

[0:55:09] Voice 7: in light of winding up the project.

[0:55:12] Voice 7: The idea with the regional planning team

[0:55:14] Voice 7: is to start winding up the projects

[0:55:16] Voice 7: after the budgets were approved.

[0:55:18] Voice 7: So we're looking at April, the start of April to do that,

[0:55:22] Voice 7: but we understand some of these conversations

[0:55:25] Voice 7: come up sooner than that, right?

[0:55:26] Voice 7: So please do reach out to Planner Zipanek

[0:55:30] Voice 7: and copy me in so we can help facilitate

[0:55:34] Voice 7: what information we can provide.

[0:55:36] Voice 7: Super, thanks so much.

[0:55:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'll do that.

[0:55:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you.

[0:55:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I think that concludes the follow-up action list then.

[0:55:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): So how about we go to 7.2 for-

[0:55:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Well, I've actually,

[0:55:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I don't know if this is the right time for it,

[0:55:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but I have prepared the motion.

[0:55:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I don't know if we,

[0:55:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): since it does relate to adding something

[0:55:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to the follow-up action list,

[0:55:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I don't know whether we want to do it now

[0:55:58] Trustee Bernardo (probable): or after we've had this discussion,

[0:56:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but we've kind of covered off what I really, you know,

[0:56:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the whole point of what I was asking

[0:56:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Planner McCarver to prepare.

[0:56:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): So I can put forward that motion now, if that's workable.

[0:56:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sure, well, we're going to move right into 7.2.

[0:56:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I would say let's move into 7.2.

[0:56:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think that we've had quite a bit of discussion.

[0:56:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): So certainly that motion would be appropriate.

[0:56:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then I think if there's more broader general discussion

[0:56:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): to have, we can continue to have that.

[0:56:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then if there's an additional motion

[0:56:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): that comes out of that, that'd be fine too.

[0:56:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): So why don't you, let's move to 7.2 shoreline erosion

[0:56:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): and why don't you just make your motion.

[0:56:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Sure, thank you.

[0:56:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): The motion is this,

[0:56:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that staff prepare an annotation

[0:56:50] Voice 11: of

[0:56:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the proposed amendments to bylaws 153 and 154

[0:57:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that discloses the scientific findings

[0:57:03] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of projected climate change effects

[0:57:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that each of the proposed amendments

[0:57:10] Voice 11: is intended to mitigate.

[0:57:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so that's moved then.

[0:57:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Before you second that, Lana McCarver,

[0:57:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): does that fit into the scope of what we were talking about

[0:57:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): and your ability to provide that to us

[0:57:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): and before the next meeting?

[0:57:32] Planner McCargar (probable): Thanks, through the chair.

[0:57:34] Planner McCargar (probable): I think that that summarizes it

[0:57:36] Planner McCargar (probable): and just back to what Trustee Stamford had said,

[0:57:38] Planner McCargar (probable): It might not be scientific findings all the time, but I can annotate that as appropriate.

[0:57:49] Planner McCargar (probable): And I guess I just also have the question of, do you think that an annotated bylaw will

[0:57:55] Planner McCargar (probable): be the best way to present it to the public?

[0:58:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I do actually,

[0:58:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): because I've heard many comments about how difficult it often is for members

[0:58:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the public to negotiate through the agenda packages and historically as the keats for

[0:58:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): sure project has proceeded uh community confusion has been a steady feature

[0:58:21] Voice 12: and

[0:58:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): annotating the bylaws

[0:58:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh is i think zeroes in to like exactly where people at are are at right now that's what they

[0:58:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): need to have explained to them so that's why i'm proposing that method yeah the hope here by the

[0:58:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the way is uh to bring clarity to the process um it's not a surprise to anybody that um not just

[0:58:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in this context but in other contexts people often object to things because they don't actually

[0:58:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): understand them now if they object to them after they fully understand them okay then we got to

[0:58:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): deal with it but it may well be that with greater understanding comes less frankly acrimon uh that's

[0:59:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that's what i'm crossing my fingers for okay

[0:59:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): so i have a motion that's been advanced i'm looking

[0:59:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): for a seconder and then we can drill more into the conversation if you like trustee stanford

[0:59:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): um before i second

[0:59:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): this um i just want to clarify and i'm wondering if there's a frenemy

[0:59:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): friendly amendment you specifically um reference climate change and i think there are a number of

[0:59:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): um edit or changes in the proposed bylaw that aren't specific to climate change they're specific

[0:59:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): to a better understanding of protecting biodiversity there's parts of this are

[0:59:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): recognizing archaeological sensitivities so there's a number of reasons and

[0:59:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): rationales for the adjustments in the bylaws so I'm wondering

[1:00:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): If it would be better not to specify climate change, but just to allow for what is the rationale, the scientific rationale for these, these changes, period.

[1:00:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I appreciate the comment. And that's actually very helpful.

[1:00:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm going to treat that as a suggestion for a friendly amendment.

[1:00:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): okay and uh how does this sound and specifically if trustee sanford thinks this answers her

[1:00:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): concern because i think she's on to something here where i said scientific findings of projected

[1:00:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): climate change effects i do want to keep that in because i think that's a major um driving force

[1:00:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): here that's a concern yeah i mean it's really the starting point for the keats land the foreshore

[1:00:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): protection project in the first place but to say scientific findings of projected climate

[1:00:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): change effects and other rationales uh well uh sorry climate change effects that each of

[1:01:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the proposed amendments is intended to mitigate uh and

[1:01:07] Voice 11: other uh rationales for the amendments

[1:01:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so i'm wondering now because it's there's some complexity here whether or not diane or

[1:01:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): or Marlis, we could get that motion up on the screen

[1:01:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): to be sure that we are all understanding what the motion is.

[1:01:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): And

[1:01:31] Voice 11: take your time to get it right, there's no hurry.

[1:01:33] Voice 11: I could read out what I've written down.

[1:01:39] Voice 11: I don't have the capacity to put it up on the computer.

[1:01:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): It looks like got it figured out here.

[1:01:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Can you zoom

[1:01:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): in and make that bigger for us?

[1:01:51] Planner McCargar (probable): Yeah, this is what I sort of got,

[1:01:53] Planner McCargar (probable): but um Diane correct me you might have been a little quicker than than I am here yeah

[1:02:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): I always

[1:02:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): find it better to read it rather than hearing it that's my comprehension

[1:02:06] Voice 11: thing everybody see that

[1:02:09] Voice 11: okay uh yes I think I got to fiddle with the wording here a little bit uh it should be other

[1:02:23] Voice 11: rationales for the amendments brilliant and I think that does the trick

[1:02:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay and uh trustee

[1:02:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): stanford you're sec you're seconding that motion on the screen yes i am okay thank you so then

[1:02:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's the motion is moved and seconded uh trustee uh bernardo do you wish to speak further to the

[1:02:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): motion i

[1:02:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): have nothing to add thank you

[1:02:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay is there any further discussion on the motion

[1:02:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): no okay so um i would just like to anticipate that there be links to other relevant supporting

[1:03:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): supporting documentation um because that might make the

[1:03:12] Voice 12: the

[1:03:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): dial the the description

[1:03:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): maybe briefer but don't sacrifice information for being briefed but i think it would be valuable to

[1:03:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): have what we have collectively in the ons trust area of supporting information for the rationale

[1:03:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): for the amendments if that and i think that you can just i agree

[1:03:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that that seems like a a sound

[1:03:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): technique to achieve this motion exactly

[1:03:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you for the motion trustee bernardo and are you

[1:03:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay with that uh planner mccarver okay so is there any further discussion then i'll call the

[1:03:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): vote all those in favor please raise your hands physically it'd be great um and that carries

[1:03:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): unanimously okay so let's maybe um provide staff the opportunity to introduce this shoreline

[1:04:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): erosion and sea level rise uh topic for discussion as we advance and then we'll come back to the

[1:04:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustees um after kind of an introduction um to any further work or discussion that we need to have

[1:04:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): a direction for work or any further discussion that we need to have so planamacarga do you have

[1:04:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): a synopsis of where we're at where we're going here yeah

[1:04:29] Planner McCargar (probable): through the chair so i just included

[1:04:32] Planner McCargar (probable): this as a response to the fuel item that has been a standing item for a while now on page 13 of the

[1:04:40] Planner McCargar (probable): agenda package and that was around scientific data on sea level rise and I did some some quick

[1:04:47] Planner McCargar (probable): searches didn't have a ton of time to spend on it but just included this link as kind of helpful

[1:04:54] Planner McCargar (probable): information it's you know perhaps something this LTC has seen in the past and then you know there

[1:05:01] Planner McCargar (probable): there is information specific to Keats Island

[1:05:04] Planner McCargar (probable): and the map I thought was particularly interesting,

[1:05:08] Planner McCargar (probable): which was the sensitivity to sea level rise

[1:05:12] Planner McCargar (probable): and then around Keats Island.

[1:05:14] Planner McCargar (probable): I think that's all that I have for me.

[1:05:18] Planner McCargar (probable): It was more of an information item.

[1:05:26] Voice 11: Okay, Trustee Stamford.

[1:05:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, just for context for that specific map

[1:05:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): and where it comes from in a reference

[1:05:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): because Trustee Bernardo may not be aware of the type of work that was done over the last two terms.

[1:05:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): That is part of quite a large project through Howe Sound to provide more scientific information

[1:05:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): that in the end helped back the successful UNESCO biosphere designation.

[1:06:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): designation. So that's part of Ocean Watch, which I was chair of for the production of

[1:06:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): one of these volumes. There's two volumes out there and they're all available online.

[1:06:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): Another resource that is good for anyone that wants to find out about how sound and the

[1:06:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): natural environment in the area is the Marine Reference Guide, which has maps upon maps

[1:06:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): upon maps of not just specific scientific background but it also has

[1:06:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): cultural knowledge it includes all sorts of planning resources it's it's a huge

[1:06:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): resource that is specific to how sound and again they all tie together with the

[1:06:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): UNESCO biosphere they're not under it they're they're linked as part of the

[1:06:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): the overall growth in understanding this area

[1:06:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): and, you know, bringing it right back to the fact

[1:07:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): that this, at one point,

[1:07:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Howe Sound was the most polluted point source

[1:07:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): marine environment in North America.

[1:07:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): And this is where we've come.

[1:07:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): So when you see this information, this data,

[1:07:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's coming from that point of a dead zone

[1:07:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): and where we're coming and where we're going.

[1:07:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): So it's worth a look.

[1:07:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): i love the stuff but you know stuff for everybody okay

[1:07:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you trustee stamford any further

[1:07:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): discussion on this topic uh joe bernardo yes

[1:07:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i think this type of information is helpful uh

[1:07:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but in a limited way uh it's um it's confirming the larger picture which i think we're all aware

[1:07:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of and and making it a bit more specific to our area uh and the mapping and all of that thing

[1:07:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): or that stuff is all very valuable uh but it does come down to um but there's this is good

[1:08:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): information and it's a good start but uh and perhaps it's just me and i'm yet again revealing

[1:08:12] Trustee Bernardo (probable): my vast ignorance about these things but uh correlating um the larger phenomenon of which

[1:08:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): there's been a lot of work uh done uh and also a lot of work done provincially and federally

[1:08:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's specific to how sound uh correlating um the larger effects to specific matters that need to

[1:08:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): be mitigated on the islands and that are within our power to mitigate using the planning function

[1:08:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and you know really what i'm doing here is in a sense elaborating on the point i made before

[1:08:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): about what we need to have that annotation i talked about not talking about coming up with

[1:08:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): another one but uh it's in that direction of uh it's and i think it's really important actually

[1:08:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): for public education and to sensitize uh residents of the trust area to what may be coming in the

[1:09:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): future or to things that are just going to have to be mitigated uh in terms of educating and

[1:09:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): motivating people to sort of think differently uh i think framing what the problem is in concrete

[1:09:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): terms of how it's going to actually affect them in a 5 10 15 30 year time horizon like these are

[1:09:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): things that we expect are going to happen and you know you can say the sea level is going to rise

[1:09:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but it's going to have a knock-on effect on say this particular beach or the for example the

[1:09:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): effort the SDRD is going to be undertaking apparently in relatively near future to examine

[1:09:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): coastal flooding which is to say look this coast you know when we get water sea level rises that

[1:09:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that are up to a certain level,

[1:09:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we can expect these particular areas

[1:09:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): are going to be subject to coastal flooding,

[1:09:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): which is going to likely affect the water tables

[1:09:58] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in certain areas and affect well water in certain areas.

[1:10:03] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And it really is a matter,

[1:10:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): if we're able to do more granular work along those lines,

[1:10:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): quite separate from the planning function,

[1:10:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's the classic forewarned is forearmed.

[1:10:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Warning people ahead of time,

[1:10:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that our best science is projecting that your backyard is, this is what's going to happen to

[1:10:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): your backyard, is the best argument in favor of appropriate planning measures to address those

[1:10:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): things. But also, a tremendous impetus to get people to start doing that,

[1:10:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): focusing their stewardship efforts, because they are there. Most of these, in fact, virtually

[1:10:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): everybody i would say in the islands is the care is great deal about the quality of the environment

[1:10:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): there but nobody reacts very well to the abstract the abstract is always kind of empty and people

[1:10:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's very easy for people to suspect it's a trojan horse or something else but if we can be as

[1:11:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): concrete as possible and i say that knowing that it is not an easy task but if we can be as specific

[1:11:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): as possible in identifying probable or projected effects that will hit people where they actually

[1:11:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): live that's a that's real public education that really helps people to get sensitized to the issue

[1:11:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh and to sensitize to the idea that solutions are necessary so i you know at this and other

[1:11:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): meetings you know we've always had this issue that you know it's not as if staff has got a lot

[1:11:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of spare time you know to do anything i mean you're already over committed we know that

[1:11:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): But I would think that that is one of the priorities

[1:11:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): ought to survive in terms of what we call

[1:11:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): from the staff's plate.

[1:11:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And I would hope that we could get in that direction

[1:11:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and I've taken up a huge amount of time

[1:11:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to saying all those things.

[1:11:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Thank you for indulging.

[1:12:01] Voice 9: Well, thank you for taking

[1:12:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): the time to articulate that.

[1:12:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Bernardo, I'm not seeing any other hands up.

[1:12:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I just want to mention a few things

[1:12:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): that cross my mind when we're talking about shoreline erosion and sea level rise. Now in my

[1:12:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): opinion the focus often seems to be on sea level rise which is one factor but I think that in my

[1:12:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): mind anyway actually what's important in this is climate change and what the effects of climate

[1:12:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): change are bringing about of which one factor is sea level rise and in fact the height of the tide

[1:12:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): really only dramatically affects us at the king tides in the new year period between between

[1:12:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): december and january when the tide is super high it also happens that in winter on in our part of

[1:12:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): the world we get those storms and this storm surge and certainly it's dramatically uh magnified when

[1:13:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): the tide is high. But whether a storm happens on a low tide cycle or a high tide cycle,

[1:13:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): shoreline erosion happens. And so whether it washes out the sandy area 20 feet down the beach,

[1:13:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): when the tide comes back in and over the evolving period, that slopping of materials that either

[1:13:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): comes from the shoreline immediately or comes down along the beach tangentially from adjacent

[1:13:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): properties as the storm and the waves move around. That's what affects the shoreline. That's

[1:13:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): shoreline erosion, which is impacted by climate change. And climate change is creating more

[1:13:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): frequent, more severe weather patterns and storms. And I'll just say, you know, it was interesting to

[1:13:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): to hear trustee um hunter in fact um at our council meeting but i've heard this from many others that

[1:14:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): have been long-term residents of the islands um um you know 40 plus years that say and i'm hearing

[1:14:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): this more and more frequently that many meters of their properties has disappeared into the sea

[1:14:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so um so certainly the erosion piece is a factor of climate change which certainly has

[1:14:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): a sea level rise component attached to it but um is important and i just note that earlier you

[1:14:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): said trustee bernardo i think you know you were sort of paraphrasing maybe some things you've

[1:14:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): heard a thought um that why is it important that we protect the shoreline uh flora and fauna um

[1:14:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): in this whole and what's the justification for it and it's actually that sea shore erosion so when

[1:14:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): that storm comes in there's some organic material there that holds it back from washing into the sea

[1:14:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the development along the shoreline is what we've noticed is that that enhances not just

[1:15:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): within the islands trust area but globally you see houses falling into the ocean off cliffs

[1:15:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): and it's interesting that not all beaches are low bank waterfront some of them are high bank cliffs

[1:15:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): of which their houses on the top and the shoreline erosion is happening 50 or feet below them and

[1:15:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it's compromising the bluffs and they fall into the ocean.

[1:15:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, indeed, what you said is that we all need to be conscious of what those impacts are and how it's going to affect our riparian rights and our properties and all the rest of it.

[1:15:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let's keep that in mind as we go into this conversation, what the connection between shoreline erosion, sea level rise and climate changes.

[1:15:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Bernardo, back to you.

[1:15:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Thank you.

[1:15:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): All of those points, Mr. Chair are well taken.

[1:15:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): There's really nothing to disagree with about that.

[1:15:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): It's certainly in terms of the foreshore erosion,

[1:16:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's a complex area where yes,

[1:16:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the more dramatic things are going to happen

[1:16:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): when you've got the high tides and king tides

[1:16:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and that sort of thing,

[1:16:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but changing weather patterns, storm surges,

[1:16:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): all these other complexities that emerge from climate change

[1:16:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and also interact with things like seawalls and docks to aggravate erosion uh it's a complex piece

[1:16:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of business it has to be examined at that level but there was one particular remark that you had

[1:16:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): made that i wanted to respond to which is that it's a lot more complicated than just rising water

[1:16:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's also more complicated than just erosion uh when we're talking about the

[1:16:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the uh having to focus and address issues related to climate change one area that in fact has been

[1:16:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and then you referred to our recent trust council meeting one area that was uh discussed um in depth

[1:16:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): was the issue of and i think we'll be talking about it to some extent later today

[1:17:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh the effect of climate change um and changing weather patterns on uh water supply and first of

[1:17:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): for all the access to drinking water,

[1:17:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but more than that, changing weather patterns

[1:17:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that are creating drier conditions in many places

[1:17:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): at exactly the wrong time.

[1:17:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): You could have plenty of rain during the winter,

[1:17:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but then because of changes during the spring and the summer,

[1:17:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the fire hazard in particular has increased substantially,

[1:17:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I think, everywhere.

[1:17:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Mitigating the fire hazard, if,

[1:17:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and I stand to be corrected on this

[1:17:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): because I really don't know what the, you know, the science on this, but I would expect that in

[1:17:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): terms of average people experiencing the effects of climate change, yes, the foreshore erosion is

[1:17:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): something I think many islands, and certainly I've seen it on Keats Island over the years,

[1:18:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): is increasing. But I think in terms of the most pressing effect, the greatest risk to people is

[1:18:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the risk of fire on the islands as a result of a change in moisture in the water table. And

[1:18:12] Trustee Bernardo (probable): bring the ground cover that also relates to to issues in terms of clearing land and that sort

[1:18:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of thing and it's not that's not limited just to you know restricting people's ability to clear

[1:18:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): brush or cut down trees in the foreshore that gets into the whole thing about the ground cover and

[1:18:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): how to deal with uh those drying conditions are creating such a high fire risk and it's not clear

[1:18:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to me that there are any planning measures that are effective in that respect and that we may have

[1:18:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to think of other approaches in terms of how we can help people mitigate those risks. Now's not

[1:18:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the time to start brainstorming all that stuff, but the climate change business, it's a lot more

[1:19:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): than the water lapping on the beaches. It's quite a bit more complicated than that.

[1:19:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): yeah

[1:19:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you trustee bernardo you've nailed it um indeed drought conditions followed by intense

[1:19:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): rain and mixed with diseases in trees simply causes more trees to fall over and it's remarkable

[1:19:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): how that's observable and

[1:19:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i can tell you certainly in my corner of keats island uh

[1:19:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's a point of observation common to everybody they've seen we can tell by looking at the trees

[1:19:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): You don't need to have a forester to come in on arborists.

[1:19:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): We can tell by looking at some of the cedars

[1:19:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and some of the other trees, they're under strain.

[1:19:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): They're stressed.

[1:19:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): There's all sorts of red action happening on those branches

[1:19:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that shouldn't be there at the wrong time of year.

[1:19:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And it's a worry.

[1:19:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Yeah,

[1:19:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you for that.

[1:19:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Stamford.

[1:19:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm hoping we can get back to our agenda.

[1:19:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[1:19:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): mean, these are really good conversations,

[1:20:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): but it's not for protection.

[1:20:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): um yeah i a lot of this conversation i wanted to have in the next item

[1:20:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right so then um it sounds like we made a motion so i think staff are prepared to bring

[1:20:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): some more information to us is there anything further we need to discuss on shoreline erosion

[1:20:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): and sea level rise no okay

[1:20:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): so i think these conversations are worth having and spending

[1:20:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): the time um but certainly we should be conscious of sticking to the agenda and the time available

[1:20:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): to us today. So 7.3 is a business case of Storm Beach Island forest protection also here for discussion. I'd like to give staff the opportunity to lead off on this one.

[1:20:42] Planner McCargar (probable): Thank you, through the chair. I was just, I added this item as a bit of clarification for staff's benefit.

[1:20:51] Planner McCargar (probable): benefit. And also, I just wanted to sort of be clear on the major minor projects. And just as

[1:20:59] Planner McCargar (probable): we're moving forward with a business case, really being clear on what is the anticipated outcome of

[1:21:07] Planner McCargar (probable): the business case for the the Thornby for sure. So I'll just start by highlighting that the

[1:21:15] Planner McCargar (probable): The major project for this LTC has received funding for the 23-24 fiscal, and it's in year two.

[1:21:25] Planner McCargar (probable): And so that's the OCP LUB review project.

[1:21:29] Planner McCargar (probable): We anticipate putting a business case forward for next year.

[1:21:35] Planner McCargar (probable): So that would be the third year of the project, and that would be around the bylaw creation and amendment process.

[1:21:41] Planner McCargar (probable): process so that would be the major project for for that year for 24-25 as well and then for the

[1:21:51] Planner McCargar (probable): minor project for this LTC we still have the Keats shoreline protection project in that spot

[1:21:59] Planner McCargar (probable): and the Thorman before shore project I wasn't sure if if the LTC was was thinking of it as a minor or

[1:22:07] Planner McCargar (probable): a major project um if it was a minor project then that would we would be able to do some small um

[1:22:17] Planner McCargar (probable): some small maybe community engagement or um it would be fairly minimal what we would be able

[1:22:24] Planner McCargar (probable): to do but that would be looking at probably the 24 2024-25 year and if it's a major project then

[1:22:32] Planner McCargar (probable): that again would be looking at likely the 2025-26 year um and then just yeah just being really clear

[1:22:43] Planner McCargar (probable): with the business case um so i i guess i don't know if it's if there's really much to do with

[1:22:50] Planner McCargar (probable): a business case right now if we're really looking at this project could be two three years down the

[1:22:55] Planner McCargar (probable): road and then really what's the anticipated outcome of this project because i wasn't clear

[1:23:02] Planner McCargar (probable): on that from the last meeting thank

[1:23:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): you planner mccarver uh joe bernardo you've got your hand up

[1:23:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): yep thank you um i i think that's um that question's exactly right and i and i appreciate

[1:23:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): um plan mccarver's uh endeavor to sort of get to sharpen this up and to get some clarity about

[1:23:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what we're actually trying to do here in response to uh this issue i think the first observation has

[1:23:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Well, no, I'll go back a step here. I'm certainly not in a position to declare it's a minor or a major thing.

[1:23:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I think we're going to be in staff's hands to determine whether it's a major or minor project, depending on the outcomes and the things that we want accomplished.

[1:23:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And then we're going to you're going to have to tell us how serious an endeavor work endeavor that is.

[1:23:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but my thinking about this is as a result of the things we heard and learned at the last ltc

[1:24:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): meeting it's clear that this form that formed the uh issue has been lingering for quite a few years

[1:24:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh and it has been unresolved in its previous local trust committees uh identified it as a

[1:24:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): matter that need to be addressed and life being what it is it just hasn't you know we just haven't

[1:24:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): being able to make it a priority or find the resources for us that's not anybody's fault

[1:24:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's just the way things work but given the fact that this lingering issue manifested into kind of

[1:24:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): a you know I think it's fair to say a community uproar over at North Thornaby after a bunch of

[1:24:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): people got hit with either determination letters or bylaw infraction notices I think the goal we

[1:24:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): want to get to is very thorn be specific in the sense that it appears that the geotechnical

[1:24:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): situation there may not be unique, but it's pretty close to unique for our area. And that we need to

[1:25:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): find a way of finding a balance between, you know, our general rules that, you know, frown on things

[1:25:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): like sea walls and that sort of stuff and definitely frown on the idea of undertaking this

[1:25:20] Trustee Bernardo (probable): remediation of an existing sea wall without a permit uh that's not on uh i think community

[1:25:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): education is a component of it but i think we're looking for is a solution here that allows um

[1:25:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the folks at north ormond bay to be able to um relatively in a straightforward fashion

[1:25:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh ensure that uh to the extent that it's necessary they're able to do the things that

[1:25:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): allow them to preserve their properties without uh

[1:25:54] Voice 11: without um causing

[1:26:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): deleterious effects the

[1:26:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): environment uh and the the beach and the foreshore there other than what's already existing so in a

[1:26:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): sense working i'm not being very clear about this you know but we have this concept of legally

[1:26:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): non-conforming uses whether that's the case or not whether they're legal or not that's a separate

[1:26:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): issue over at north formandy but we do know it's non-conforming uses of a sort over there and it

[1:26:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): appears that what we now call non-conforming is some version of that is what they need in

[1:26:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): order to simply be able to carry on living as they've lived for you know 50 years that's where

[1:26:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we want to get to we want to get to a solution that allows folks to live in their houses and

[1:26:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): not lose their beaches and foreshores uh but still respects the need to to regulate activity

[1:26:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i'm not talking about creating some special you know permit-free zone over at north thornby

[1:26:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that simply says well you have to have sea walls so you can pour as much concrete bring as much

[1:27:03] Trustee Bernardo (probable): rocks as you want to deal with it no but there does probably have to be a more and this may be

[1:27:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): asking too much i don't know but probably a more streamlined way of being able to get the permit to

[1:27:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): do it because that area is recognized as as requiring a more nuanced approach you'll notice

[1:27:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i'm not i'm being a little vague about the details but this is because i have no idea what they are

[1:27:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what i'm trying to get you know what a stumbling round here is i'm trying to get to a

[1:27:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): point the direction the idea that we may need a bylaw there or if you need an amendment to

[1:27:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the associated islands bylaw to to create that flexibility but basically what i'm talking about

[1:27:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): is we need to come to some accommodation that recognizes the relatively unique geotechnical

[1:27:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): conditions there and allows people to live there but doesn't necessarily just you know give a free

[1:27:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): pass to to doing whatever you want to do there i know not very helpful but uh that's as best

[1:28:05] Trustee Bernardo (probable): as i can do right now maybe trustee stamford can do better thank you um

[1:28:12] Voice 11: yeah

[1:28:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): this i think this is

[1:28:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): a far bigger project than we're recognizing um there have the the local trust committee

[1:28:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): hasn't necessarily let this slide deliberately this has also been um there hasn't been a lot

[1:28:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): to uptake from the community itself because the potential answers are just not going to be easy.

[1:28:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): They are probably closer to the dynamics of climate change than anyone else and there isn't

[1:28:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): going to be an answer that satisfies everybody at the end on this particular one and that I think

[1:28:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's part of the issue is is not wanting to make that determination at the end of the day

[1:29:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): they are very vulnerable so um and and so i think this is far more complex also this is part of the

[1:29:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): the social swia they are going to have to be involved so i you know i don't see this being

[1:29:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): minor off the side of the desk type of project given that it is important we do need to get to it

[1:29:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm hoping that maybe we can keep this short for now to the point where we can come back in

[1:29:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): three to six months and say is there any opportunity to build into this and start slowly

[1:29:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): slowly again.

[1:29:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): I just don't see it coming on as a full project.

[1:30:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): any time soon.

[1:30:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yet I do agree that it has to be dealt with,

[1:30:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): but maybe starting with the Sechelt first

[1:30:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): as a way of approaching it could be a side project.

[1:30:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): I don't know.

[1:30:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, I'm just not seeing this as a simple bylaw change.

[1:30:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Kate.

[1:30:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): And Joe Bernardo, you have your hand up again.

[1:30:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Yes, Trustee Sanford may well be right.

[1:30:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what another angled approach where i'd like to see this go is that we now have a standing

[1:30:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): resolution that is immunizing the residents from uh enforcement action in respect of past conduct

[1:30:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but it was careful to point out um it's not a license to engage in further non-bylaw compliant

[1:30:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): action out there i wouldn't want to see that standing resolution take on a life of its own

[1:31:03] Trustee Bernardo (probable): because of you know resources and lack of attention or whatever I mean these things

[1:31:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): are dynamic and complicated but we end up with a standing resolution that's sitting on the books

[1:31:12] Trustee Bernardo (probable): for years on end I view it as an interim measure that the sooner we get rid of that standing

[1:31:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): resolution or sort of get rid of the need for the standing resolution the better because that's

[1:31:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): another issue and that's not to diminish any of the complexity of distrust Stanford has correctly

[1:31:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): pointed out and engaging with the Seychelles Bend is obviously a component that has to come into this

[1:31:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in terms of large changes. But my own view of it is I would think that the starting point for this

[1:31:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): is to get our hands around what the actual geotechnical problem actually is. So that's

[1:31:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): framed that this is the problem. And then the solution, well, the solution can have,

[1:32:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): We have to see what's available in terms of an engineering solution that is at least consistent, more or less, with the larger direction that we want to go with our bylaws.

[1:32:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): us again i'm being uh scrupulously vague here about it but uh i really don't want to see that

[1:32:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): resolution lingering forever because that's that's just another issue there which is it indicates we

[1:32:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): know there's a we we know we haven't grasped the problem properly but we're not solving it

[1:32:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and that doesn't do the folks in north form any favors but also it doesn't do other residents

[1:32:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): any favors either because it means that we haven't wrestled with as the trustee quite

[1:32:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): correctly point out uh probably uh in our area the most immediately pressing consequence of

[1:32:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): climate change we we can't just put it off you might be right it might well be a bigger project

[1:33:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but i would like to think that early on we can get to the point where we can get past this standing

[1:33:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): resolution somehow maybe we have to do it in stages i don't know uh

[1:33:13] Voice 9: trustee stanford again

[1:33:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm sorry because i i really don't have a way forward on this except that right now what happens

[1:33:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): when um people feel that they are an immediate threat they need to rebuild their wall

[1:33:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): they bring the issue in terms of variance to the committee and that gives us the opportunity

[1:33:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): to really look at each individual case or it may be that they come with three properties

[1:33:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): properties together looking at a way to try and resolve through a variance a particular issue

[1:33:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): um and it it helps us look at the detail because this is a specific each neighborhood in the

[1:34:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): tharmon bees has a slightly different way of dealing with um the erosion issues and the low

[1:34:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): bank concerns they have with their with their foreshore so that that is the way forward

[1:34:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the interim but it isn't just the local trust committee that's having difficulty moving

[1:34:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): forward it's the communities themselves um so you know it really is to me that is how

[1:34:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): we've been dealing with it and it gives us specific insight into the situation as it

[1:34:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): arises it's not the big solution but that is how we've been dealing with it

[1:34:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you kate um i

[1:34:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): feel necessary to chime in here but i want to say that that's important is i know nothing about

[1:35:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): the thornby islands um i am the off-island chair um however i i know enough about the

[1:35:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): island shows and how we do things to hopefully contribute in a positive way and what i what i

[1:35:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): what i'm gonna say probably won't make a lot of people happy um however this isn't as been

[1:35:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): indicated a small project it's not even a big project it's a huge project of which is unique

[1:35:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): i what would be helpful to me because i know nothing about the thornby islands would be to

[1:35:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): to actually see a historic collection of aerial photographs of that area. There's been the notion

[1:35:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): that came up at our last meeting about this being an emergency. And I think somebody just used the

[1:35:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): word that this was imminent risk. I don't think that's true. This has been historic since those

[1:35:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): properties were developed, which is why I'm interested to see what it looked like 50 years

[1:36:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): years ago, if that's possible. Because I sort of had, and correct me if I'm wrong, I had some

[1:36:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): anecdotal information that a number of these places, recreational property, right, recreational

[1:36:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): property on the Gulf Islands, were built on poles. And there was water inundation there. And so that

[1:36:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): hasn't changed. And it's not imminent. It's been ongoing for all this time. So what I'm going to

[1:36:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): get to is what I'm really struggling with is why is it, at least maybe I'm misrepresenting it,

[1:36:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): I have the impression that we think this is our problem, the LTC's problem.

[1:36:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): This problem has existed since before the Island's Trust. And in fact, I would suggest

[1:36:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): is one of the reasons why maybe the Island's Trust was formed so long ago now, because there

[1:36:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): were strange things that were happening as people were subdividing and developing properties

[1:36:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): properties throughout the Island Trust area. So this is a vestige of that history. And I'm not

[1:37:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): sure how we're going to solve it, except that somebody needs to do the research, which includes

[1:37:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): engineering, biology, consultation, in order to figure out what a solution is. And that solution

[1:37:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): may be above and beyond the interest or value of those properties. I don't know. But it's a

[1:37:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): significant investment on everybody's part that needs to come together with a solution,

[1:37:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): not just for one or two or three properties but all of those properties you can't deal with them

[1:37:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): in isolation it's an entire and it's interesting when we talk about community and what's the

[1:37:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): community interest well you know in the gambier island ltc there's a community which is all of

[1:37:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): those islands gambier keats anvil whatever um all those little islands and then there's a community

[1:37:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's thrown beyond which is obviously much smaller and so the interests aren't necessarily

[1:37:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): shared broadly however the islands trust has this rationale for its existence to preserve and

[1:37:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): protect the area and certainly that impacts in our land use authority individual property owners

[1:38:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): but in an ideal world and in some other situation people come to us and say hey i've got this

[1:38:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): problem and i've hired these engineers this is my solution and i want to amend the bylaws ocplub if

[1:38:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): if necessary. And I want a development variance permit or whatever. They want all these permits.

[1:38:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): And they come to us with a business case that says, this is what I want to do. We can do this.

[1:38:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): And this is the rationale for it. And LTC, do you agree? And so if it met all of our criteria,

[1:38:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): then we would agree or not. And the project would go on. So I'm worried about this becoming a huge

[1:38:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): project for the LTC when I don't know that we can necessarily create solutions for this

[1:38:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): without investing a lot of time and energy and money into engineering and biology.

[1:38:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that's my two cents.

[1:38:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): I see staff have got their hand up, but I want to provide opportunity for the political

[1:39:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the room, Joe Bernardo, to just comment on what I've said and I just telling it the

[1:39:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): way I see it.

[1:39:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I'd like to know I would really like I'd like to do a site visit there to

[1:39:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): have a see what's going on there yeah it's beautiful there

[1:39:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): thank you for that and

[1:39:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): sorry for barging in here Arpian Jamarat jumping ahead here I think the chair has

[1:39:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): has identified an

[1:39:34] Voice 11: important pragmatic consideration here

[1:39:37] Voice 11: in terms of how this problem,

[1:39:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): this issue optimally gets resolved.

[1:39:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): There is a, I mean, it's a valid point.

[1:39:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): There's something like 15 homeowners or property owners

[1:39:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that were behind the delegation that came last time.

[1:39:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And if I recall correctly,

[1:39:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the chair had commented on the lines

[1:40:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that a collective application to sort of fix the problem

[1:40:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): would be kind of a smart thing to do.

[1:40:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): That all still makes sense.

[1:40:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And I'm wondering whether or not that's an insight

[1:40:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that might be helpful to answer

[1:40:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Planner McHargir's original question,

[1:40:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): which is really what do you want us to do?

[1:40:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): What do you want this business case to look like?

[1:40:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): After hearing the chair,

[1:40:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm wondering whether the business case

[1:40:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): should be some version of engage the residents

[1:40:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): over there at North Ormond Bay and encourage them

[1:40:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and do whatever else has to be done,

[1:40:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): encourage them to make a collective variance application

[1:40:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and work with them on that to wrap this up from that end

[1:40:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): so that it becomes, okay, they've got a specific problem.

[1:40:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): They've got into trouble more or less

[1:40:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): because separate from the old historical,

[1:41:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): 50-year-old SCRD bylaws that somehow got wrapped up in this

[1:41:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): with those wood seawalls set that aside that notwithstanding that the uh riprap that was

[1:41:12] Trustee Bernardo (probable): you know the riprap version of the seawall that some people have may have been legally

[1:41:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): non-conforming it's pretty clear that repairs were made without getting the appropriate permitting

[1:41:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and it's they call it an emerging situation following winter storms i think it may well

[1:41:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in the moment and they may well not have been aware

[1:41:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of all the steps they needed to have followed.

[1:41:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): The merits of that we can put aside,

[1:41:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but when they talk about an emergency or pressing risk,

[1:41:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I think what's happening here is there's a greater awareness

[1:41:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in the community of what those winter storms mean

[1:41:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): going forward.

[1:41:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): All along way of saying that taking the chair's suggestion

[1:41:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): or it's kind of the direction he's pointing in,

[1:41:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it would make a lot of sense to me

[1:42:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): for us to initially have staff engage the local residents with a view to developing really

[1:42:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): actively working with them to develop a variance application that makes sense and then that's going

[1:42:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to have you know let's be honest about that that means a cost to them because they're going to have

[1:42:20] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to pay for the geotechnical reports because that's what they want but if we can be proactive

[1:42:27] Trustee Bernardo (probable): active uh in in pursuing that exercise then we might find some to use of jargon some synergies

[1:42:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and some efficiencies to just move this along and then that gets us to the point where we can get

[1:42:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): rid of the standing resolution or it becomes a dead letter so i think that's some progress there

[1:42:49] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in terms of the business case we want to see perhaps that's an element that could go into it

[1:42:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and would make it less of an elaborate huge research project at our end and a more targeted

[1:42:58] Trustee Bernardo (probable): problem-solving effort. Anyhow, thank you for that, Chair.

[1:43:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, Joe, I just want to chime in

[1:43:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): there just quickly, Kate, and also I want to give RPM Gemma an opportunity. I want to thank you for

[1:43:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): that essentially suggestion that I'm going to articulate or I'm going to reformat into suggesting

[1:43:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): that if the LTC wants to host or support a forum or a discussion in the community to bring all the

[1:43:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): property owners together i think that that would be a brilliant um start to determining where that

[1:43:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): community and those property owners want to go with the project so certainly we can facilitate

[1:43:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): that conversation that would be brilliant so uh kate louise do you want to speak or shall i go to

[1:43:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): rpm gemara uh

[1:43:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): i would like to hear from rpm gemara please so

[1:43:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay over to you renee thank you

[1:43:57] Voice 7: through the chair this is um great conversation and i had initially raised my hand to

[1:44:04] Voice 7: um ask the question again about where um that clarity would be uh for staff so that sounds

[1:44:13] Voice 7: like it's coming through as a couple potential action items and approaches um so i wanted to

[1:44:21] Voice 7: round back to um planner mccarger so i it sounds like there's a couple um actions in there that

[1:44:28] Voice 7: could be through a minor project um so i i would point to and call upon planner mccarger maybe just

[1:44:36] Voice 7: to a flag if those could be um minor projects um but i'll also through the chair um defer to

[1:44:44] Voice 7: to Trustee Stamford for a comment too.

[1:44:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right.

[1:44:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Can we wrap that up with Planner McCarver, Trustee,

[1:44:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then Stamford, and we'll come back to you.

[1:44:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Can I just really quickly point out

[1:44:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): that when we are talking about supporting communities

[1:45:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): on a variance, in the end, it still comes to us

[1:45:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): as an objective decision.

[1:45:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I would not want to imply to any community

[1:45:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): community that by supporting a project we are therefore going to pass it um this you know we

[1:45:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): we have to come to this whole thing with an idea that we're not just protecting homes we're

[1:45:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): protecting uh uh an ecosystem and both are threatened here so um I'm a little bit nervous

[1:45:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): about almost sponsoring a variance permit

[1:45:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): when I don't know what my decision will be

[1:45:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): at the end of the day.

[1:45:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that's all I want to say.

[1:45:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sure.

[1:45:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't know that there was a suggestion

[1:45:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): we would be sponsoring a permit,

[1:45:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): but certainly engaging in a community conversation

[1:45:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): is a valuable.

[1:45:56] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:45:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, that's, I'm totally behind that.

[1:45:59] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:46:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[1:46:01] Voice 11: Planner McCarver.

[1:46:05] Voice 11: Thanks.

[1:46:06] Voice 11: Through the chair.

[1:46:08] Planner McCargar (probable): I think that if it were to be,

[1:46:11] Planner McCargar (probable): you know, a community conversation, a forum, then that would fit into a minor project.

[1:46:16] Planner McCargar (probable): I do still want to caution that that's likely not going to be till next year as

[1:46:20] Planner McCargar (probable): just around the timeline, right? Like we already have a minor project slated for this 23-24 fiscal

[1:46:28] Planner McCargar (probable): and we will be using that funding, bringing that project forward for community, more community

[1:46:35] Planner McCargar (probable): community information meetings and public hearing so it would be for the next fiscal yeah

[1:46:44] Voice 9: and all

[1:46:45] Voice 9: the fear in the intervening time of the next storm so uh trustee bernardo uh

[1:46:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that's all that all

[1:46:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): makes sense i understand i mean there's just like uh timing scheduling funding issues i mean these

[1:46:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): things have a kind of a they have a lead time i'm wondering if in the interim and and by the way

[1:47:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): you know I agree with Trustee Stamford we're not it's not appropriate for us to sponsor

[1:47:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): something like a variance application or to otherwise do anything that anticipates the

[1:47:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): outcome of it but that doesn't mean we can't facilitate an efficient application process

[1:47:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): so that we end up with the information that we need available to us and

[1:47:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm wondering whether

[1:47:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): whether it's feasible in this fiscal year for staff to engage with the folks over there

[1:47:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): by basically giving them a fairly detailed shopping list of things that we would need to see

[1:47:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in a variance application, given the local conditions.

[1:48:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): You know, I mean, there's just typically I would expect, you know, somebody shows up with their own engineering reports.

[1:48:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): They're telling us what the issue is. They're addressing it.

[1:48:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And we look at the package is kind of motivated by their interests.

[1:48:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): There is a public policy interest here to some extent at our end and making it a little easier for them to put together a package that at least addresses things.

[1:48:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): for example it's within our power to review the situation over there and say look given the nature

[1:48:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of what we already know we're going to need a geotechnical report we're going to need maybe

[1:48:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): a biodiversity examination whatever if we ahead of time can simply proactively tell them if you

[1:48:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): choose to make a variance application these are the bases you're going to have to touch

[1:48:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): you know and the reports can have to meet certain parameters certain criteria so that's a question

[1:49:05] Trustee Bernardo (probable): really for planning mccarver is that feasible uh to do this year like just give them a shopping

[1:49:14] Trustee Bernardo (probable): list of what they need to do given the unique circumstances over there what the information

[1:49:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): they need to provide to us if they wish to have a variance that's

[1:49:28] Voice 11: a good question through the chair

[1:49:29] Planner McCargar (probable): This would be a really similar to a pre-application meeting that we would, is a service that we would be able to provide. We do it for rezonings and for a complex DVP application. Absolutely. We could sit down with the property owners and go over what would be required and what the LTC would be looking for in that application.

[1:49:54] Planner McCargar (probable): Yeah, so I think that's the short answer.

[1:49:56] Planner McCargar (probable): So, yeah,

[1:49:57] Trustee Bernardo (probable): because, you know, to be completely blunt about it, I'm inclined to, you know, for us to reach out and say, look, this is not something that should linger.

[1:50:04] Trustee Bernardo (probable): It's actually on you. You really should make a variance application.

[1:50:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Here's what you need to do. Basically, if you're smart, you'll do it.

[1:50:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Get on with it. And then we'll look at your application.

[1:50:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): So why don't you do that, Joe,

[1:50:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): and get them to call a planner?

[1:50:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): Then it's then it's the onus is on them as the property owners.

[1:50:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): In that case, you know, I see the sense of that, but there's also the, why have we had this project for North Florida Beyond the Books for such a long time?

[1:50:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I mean, are you really saying then that we should just forget having the project?

[1:50:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): No, I'm just saying that there seems to be two angles to this.

[1:50:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): So there is the variance option.

[1:50:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): and if so they get a sense of the level of complexity that they're looking at

[1:50:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): they can have there's no preposition that they're going to have to go ahead

[1:51:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): but that they have that meeting with the planner with that specific goal in mind

[1:51:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): but then we also as a minor project have a more general conversation with the

[1:51:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): community at a larger scale because those 15 represent one group there's

[1:51:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): other groups that have different issues that also need to be clarified well

[1:51:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): those are two different

[1:51:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): tracks there I see that I see a difference between one trustee engaging people in community and

[1:51:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): having a chat with them and just kind of leaving at the level of friendly advice versus the LTC

[1:51:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): through staff signaling like this is not something we want to linger I mean right now they're on

[1:51:53] Trustee Bernardo (probable): on holiday because of this standing resolution that we've got i just uh i don't want to govern

[1:52:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): by standing resolution that's uh bylaws you know you accumulate exceptions to the bylaw that way

[1:52:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): without having worked out the policy part of it

[1:52:10] Voice 12: so

[1:52:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i'm trying you know i could be wrong about this

[1:52:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but it seems to me if the ltc is actually sort of saying okay you know you guys got a problem

[1:52:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we wanted some relief from it we gave it to you we're looking at you now fix it there's a way of

[1:52:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): doing this you didn't do it before there's a way of doing this and you really ought to do this

[1:52:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): like we officially tell them you really ought to do this still it's them to do it but it makes a

[1:52:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): difference between me on the phone talking to somebody casually about it versus the ltc through

[1:52:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): through staff saying there is a process here that you need to follow uh so

[1:52:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): that the letter

[1:52:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): hasn't been written to them through the bylaw officer uh yet that could be an avenue of doing

[1:52:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): that should

[1:53:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the law officer write that letter or should it come from um the ltc i was asking earlier

[1:53:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): joe and kate this is an ideal opportunity for me to chime in because i'll admit i was not fully

[1:53:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): informed or knowledgeable on the Thornaby situation at the last meeting, and I've made

[1:53:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): some effort to learn more about it. But indeed, that standing resolution that we have, Joe,

[1:53:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you for raising that, it's providing this period of grace while we do something.

[1:53:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): What I, in hindsight, think is that we should provide that period of grace, absolutely,

[1:53:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): while they do something, which is develop an application and come to us.

[1:53:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so indeed there's no harm in us amending that resolution and of course it's the public

[1:53:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting it's public document um and that can be communicated to the uh those folks there if

[1:53:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): they're not watching um that that standing resolution should actually say that is that

[1:54:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): we are going to uh withhold by uh not proceed on bylaw enforcement pending a future application of

[1:54:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): the residents to resolve the problem and that's kind of comes full circle about trying to

[1:54:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): understand whose problem this is but uh trustee stanford and and perhaps an additional and i'll

[1:54:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): seek staff's advice on a motion that might amend that that indeed we need to get that letter out

[1:54:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and as joe has said it's an ask from the ltc not so so

[1:54:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): i just see in the chat that the letter was

[1:54:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): was actually sent from bylaw.

[1:54:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I think then it behooves us to make a separate motion

[1:54:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): that states sending a letter saying,

[1:54:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): now this is what we'd like to see from the community.

[1:54:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you.

[1:54:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm not sure who that came from on the chat.

[1:54:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): I actually don't like using the chat in a public meeting

[1:54:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): because the public can't see it.

[1:54:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): So Trustee Bernardo, over to you.

[1:55:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm just looking at chat screen.

[1:55:03] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and it's just a note that the plan mccarver sent to us saying that um she had received confirmation

[1:55:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): from uh mr dingman that he did send a letter on march 1st and has poured a copy to the ltc as of

[1:55:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): today um we probably need to read that letter and see what's in it before we go around banging out

[1:55:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): any more letters i have to say i'm not a fan of the idea of amending that resolution on the fly

[1:55:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): today so i don't agree without having provided notice to those folks about what our intentions

[1:55:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): are and all the rest of it i do see that as a tool uh at some future date uh how do i phrase

[1:55:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): this the nicest possible way uh if we start developing a certain degree of impatience

[1:55:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): with the progress of developments you know that's one way of signaling like it really is on you

[1:56:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but you know you know when we engaged the delegation last time i mean these are certainly

[1:56:06] Trustee Bernardo (probable): reasonable people i think we can have a conversation with we don't have to do everything

[1:56:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): by resolution we've basically arrested the process the enforcement process so the problem

[1:56:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): could get fixed let's see if we can just in a human and informal way now reach out to these

[1:56:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): people get that message out get on it folks this is what we need i very much like the idea of doing

[1:56:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): a letter and following a plan regardless point a letter that goes through a bunch of detail about

[1:56:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what we anticipate is needed here and proposing a pre-application meeting like we propose it so

[1:56:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that to signal and to really just be upfront about it we want to resolve this problem asap

[1:56:52] Voice 11: it's on

[1:56:54] Voice 11: you to take the lead on it this is what we think we're going to need but let's talk about it let's

[1:57:00] Voice 11: have a meeting

[1:57:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): let's get you know let's get the train moving down the tracks and just forget about

[1:57:08] Trustee Bernardo (probable): doing resolutions for the time being and i think perhaps what we could do is after uh staff has

[1:57:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): had a chance and the ldc had a chance to read minister dingman's letter perhaps staff can at

[1:57:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): prepare a letter a follow-up letter that goes in the direction i'm suggesting and we might be able

[1:57:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): arranged to have that sent further to a resolution without meeting or further to a motion that

[1:57:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we addressed at our next meeting how

[1:57:44] Voice 11: does that sound sounds fine

[1:57:49] Voice 9: to me i was just looking at

[1:57:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): the resolution uh um where are we at now on page 84 uh adopted policies standing resolutions

[1:58:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): I was concerned that we were holding up the process and if we're talking about a year to getting any work done, then that would be problematic in my mind but it actually doesn't say that we've just simply deferred it so you're absolutely right.

[1:58:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right, Trustee Bernardo, we don't necessarily need

[1:58:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): to make a motion to have another resolution there,

[1:58:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): standing resolution.

[1:58:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): And indeed, I would support a letter from the LTC

[1:58:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): to explain exactly what you've just said.

[1:58:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Any other discussion or thoughts or ideas for a motion?

[1:58:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): RPM, Gemara.

[1:58:41] Voice 7: Thank you through the chair.

[1:58:42] Voice 7: I think capturing what Trustee Bernardo

[1:58:48] Voice 7: has also suggested I think an opportunity to bring forward a letter through and attach it

[1:58:56] Voice 7: to a staff report just to summarize some of these approaches is good to recognize both the standing

[1:59:04] Voice 7: resolution and how we're capturing this through any future project that we might have some

[1:59:10] Voice 7: direction to do um so that that's my suggestion is whatever letter we bring forward to draft

[1:59:16] Voice 7: uh as a draft for the trustees to look at we capture that through a staff report and capture

[1:59:22] Voice 7: those approaches right

[1:59:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): so um i'm now jumping to our next meeting is june 20th which seems like a

[1:59:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): long time away um and so wondering about how we might actually undertake that work by providing

[1:59:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): providing some valuable information to the applicants or to the individuals

[1:59:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): um to allow them to take advantage of the summer months uh in fact to do some homework

[1:59:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): um any suggestions there RPM camera um

[1:59:56] Voice 7: I think for some direction with staff

[2:00:00] Voice 7: perhaps proposing a motion to for that communication to happen and then we can at

[2:00:07] Voice 7: least include that in the follow-up action list that that was done and we have sort of a next step

[2:00:13] Voice 7: in mind with bringing forward um some drafted letters to keep that momentum going or

[2:00:19] Voice 7: that correspondence um that we've had sort of an update to that so it could be a couple different

[2:00:25] Voice 7: different ways we can um report back at the next council meeting if it's a desire through a motion

[2:00:31] Voice 7: would be good um just to make sure that it's done and it's completed and we've captured that action

[2:00:38] Voice 7: being done to speak with applicants um or reach out to them to advise that they can apply for a

[2:00:45] Voice 7: variance application so

[2:00:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm suggesting a

[2:00:49] Voice 7: motion for some of that direction to happen right so

[2:00:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): generally you're asking for direct the ltc direct staff to provide options and reporting associated

[2:01:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): with uh application process on thornberry island for offshore protection correct

[2:01:07] Voice 11: did you get that

[2:01:10] Voice 11: diane i

[2:01:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): knew that was coming i

[2:01:15] Voice 11: didn't know i didn't

[2:01:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): get all of it

[2:01:17] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we need motion language right

[2:01:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes.

[2:01:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right.

[2:01:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm just

[2:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): making round suggestions.

[2:01:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Over to you.

[2:01:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I can try to wing something at the moment, but it might take a few minutes.

[2:01:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Perhaps we could...

[2:01:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you want to come back to that?

[2:01:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Come

[2:01:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): back to that.

[2:01:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Set this

[2:01:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): aside and carry on with some other business for the moment.

[2:01:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[2:01:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let us move on then, and we'll pick up 7.3.

[2:01:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Maybe when we get to adopting policies or sending resolutions there, that should give

[2:01:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): give you plenty of time because it's an opportunity to circle back on that. But let's go to applications

[2:01:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): and referrals now then. And assuming that the rest of the conversation is now complete on that

[2:01:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): particular item. I

[2:01:59] Trustee Bernardo (probable): see Planner McCarger has her hand up.

[2:02:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Planner McCarger,

[2:02:05] Voice 11: mute.

[2:02:09] Planner McCargar (probable): I was just going

[2:02:10] Planner McCargar (probable): to respond to the concern that you identified, Chair Luckham, around the time frame. So if a

[2:02:15] Planner McCargar (probable): letter isn't coming forward until june 20th and i was going to suggest that staff could you know

[2:02:22] Planner McCargar (probable): work on a letter in the next month and just circulate it to the ltc um and send it out if

[2:02:30] Planner McCargar (probable): if there wasn't any if we didn't need to bring it forward at a at the ltc meeting we could approve

[2:02:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): that by rwm is what you're saying okay that would be i think awesome in order to uh be proactive

[2:02:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): on this. Okay. So let's go to 8.1 then. So this is Gambier subdivision 2022.2. And I see

[2:02:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Planner Tomatis. And I apologize if I'm getting any and all of your names messed up here today.

[2:03:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): It takes me a while to catch on. So Planner Tomatis on the Picante Community Holdings

[2:03:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): a 10 percent uh lot frontage waiver over to you to introduce the uh the uh the application and uh

[2:03:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): indeed i don't know if the applicant is in the room or not because i i usually like to provide

[2:03:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): the opportunity for the applicant to speak to the recommendation whether they concur or not or have

[2:03:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): any yes he is

[2:03:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): missing information okay so that's great so we'll uh i'll elevate him when the time

[2:03:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): time comes and uh and then we'll have a discussion amongst the trustees and the trustees will likely

[2:03:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): ask you questions and may also want to ask the applicant questions uh before we have a decision

[2:03:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): so over to you thanks thanks

[2:03:47] Voice 1: chair Luckum can everyone hear me yes

[2:03:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): um

[2:03:50] Voice 1: yeah hello Trustee

[2:03:52] Voice 1: Stanford and Bernardo nice to meet you um yeah so staff are requesting that the Gambier LTC

[2:03:58] Voice 1: see waive the requirement of a minimum 10 lot frontage to allow two lots in a proposed 12 lot

[2:04:04] Voice 1: subdivision to have less than a 10 lot frontage on a highway the applicant has applied to the

[2:04:11] Voice 1: ministry of transportation and infrastructure and the application was forwarded to the islands trust

[2:04:15] Voice 1: for review upon review and providing a preliminary response to the ministry of transportation and

[2:04:20] Voice 1: infrastructure planning staff identified that two of the proposed lots proposed lot 11 and

[2:04:26] Voice 1: and the proposed community lot as well,

[2:04:29] Voice 1: would not meet the land use bylaw requirement

[2:04:32] Voice 1: for the minimum 10% lot frontage on a highway

[2:04:35] Voice 1: and would therefore require an exemption

[2:04:36] Voice 1: from the Gambier LUB for that requirement.

[2:04:40] Voice 1: So satisfying the minimum 10% lot frontage regulation

[2:04:44] Voice 1: for the proposed community lots

[2:04:48] Voice 1: would result in a split zoned lot, which is not permitted

[2:04:52] Voice 1: since a rezoning was already approved by the LTC

[2:04:55] Voice 1: for this area in 2013 staff recommend to waive the 10 lot frontage regulation requirement

[2:05:01] Voice 1: in order to align the parcel with the existing zone boundaries additionally satisfying the

[2:05:07] Voice 1: minimum 10 lot frontage regulation for proposed lot 11 may result in greater vegetation and tree

[2:05:13] Voice 1: removal in coastal western hemlock and riparian sensitive ecosystem areas so therefore waiving

[2:05:20] Voice 1: their lot frontage requirement is also recommended for this lot um yeah thank you and i welcome any

[2:05:26] Voice 1: questions and yeah uh the applicant jim green is in attendance if you have any specific questions

[2:05:32] Voice 1: for him as well thank

[2:05:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): you planner tomatos um so uh jim green looks like you've been promoted to

[2:05:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh attendee here um and i think i see up on the screen here anyway a blank screen there you are

[2:05:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right yep do

[2:05:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): you have any remarks or uh that you do or do not concur with the staff

[2:05:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): recommendation here

[2:05:56] Voice 4: um just read through it again um nothing jumped out at me i think it's a very

[2:06:05] Voice 4: well-informed report in fact i'd just like to thank margo for making this an interactive process

[2:06:10] Voice 4: it's always great when emails get replied to and the applicant gets an opportunity to speak through

[2:06:16] Voice 4: the process of drafting uh the content for the meeting today and uh margo was very proactive

[2:06:22] Voice 4: with me on that we had lots of chats and it represents the discussion that we had

[2:06:27] Voice 4: in the last little while margo and i have been back and forth just about how you would pin the

[2:06:33] Voice 4: site and how some of the nuances around road construction would occur and uh assuming you're

[2:06:40] Voice 4: not all insomniacs i won't put you to sleep on how you pin a a a subdivision but but i think

[2:06:47] Voice 4: we've worked through it uh pretty well and the recommendations uh um i think are uh consistent

[2:06:54] Voice 4: with our discussions i will just add on a closing note that cotton bay is a bit of an odd duck

[2:07:00] Voice 4: because this project could have rolled through land titles a number of years ago it was completed

[2:07:07] Voice 4: in construction, pinned to the extent that the survey requirements were done, all the reporting

[2:07:13] Voice 4: and engineering and all the other matters like drilling wells and so on and so forth was all

[2:07:19] Voice 4: done and we were ready to leap. And I'm an agent in this current file and was an agent previously,

[2:07:26] Voice 4: but the owner previously, I can't remember how long ago it was, 10, 11, 12 years ago,

[2:07:31] Voice 4: just turned it off. And so when we re-entered into this application and the file,

[2:07:37] Voice 4: we have wells drilled and pins in the ground and road constructed

[2:07:41] Voice 4: and a lot of the work we're doing right now is related to other matters like

[2:07:50] Voice 4: we have to drill another well we have to install hydro overhead um so on and so forth but that the

[2:07:57] Voice 4: fundamental construction is done and you can see in some of margo's comments when she talks about

[2:08:02] Voice 4: about the road frontages and that that um it's it's not just that building more road would require

[2:08:08] Voice 4: uh more tree removable and grubbing and so on and so forth it's just that the roads basically

[2:08:15] Voice 4: already built we've already built it to mot standards we'll need to refresh it uh in terms

[2:08:21] Voice 4: of road surfaces and perhaps a culvert upgrade or something like that but you essentially have

[2:08:27] Voice 4: have a site that's already been disturbed

[2:08:29] Voice 4: and been in place for 10 years in constructed form.

[2:08:33] Voice 4: And I think what Margo's report says is,

[2:08:36] Voice 4: let's not cause any more trees to come down

[2:08:39] Voice 4: or any more tinkering with the ground.

[2:08:41] Voice 4: Let's take it the way it was constructed

[2:08:43] Voice 4: at 10 or 12 years ago.

[2:08:45] Voice 4: But yeah, thanks for the chance to speak

[2:08:47] Voice 4: and I'm happy to answer any questions.

[2:08:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you, Mr. Green.

[2:08:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): So trustees, do you have any questions

[2:08:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): for staff or the applicant?

[2:08:59] Voice 11: hi kate hi jim

[2:09:02] Voice 4: haven't seen you in a long time what

[2:09:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): 10 years kate was on this

[2:09:07] Voice 4: file back then

[2:09:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i have a few questions for the applicant sort of general questions so a lot of my questions

[2:09:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): and the questions i'll have following for the planner is not so much the specifics to this

[2:09:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): this request it's more sort of what's happened in the last 10 years yeah because

[2:09:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): it is um speaking

[2:09:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): from any perspective it is concerning that it's almost like a whole new subdivision as far as the

[2:09:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): community is concerned when they see this there was no activity for so long um it sort of sank

[2:09:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): tank back back into the background and uh I guess my question is how is it possible to then just

[2:09:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): bring up it's not a new uh application but it's almost it's new to the community again so how

[2:10:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): does that happen that a rezoning can be put us or a subdivision could be put aside for 10 years

[2:10:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): without, and lots were sold to the subdivision, and yet it wasn't a subdivision. So how did that

[2:10:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): happen?

[2:10:21] Voice 4: Sure. So the original property was purchased by an investor, and there were two

[2:10:32] Voice 4: legal titles dl477 north which was about 86 acres and dl477 south dl477 south

[2:10:43] Voice 4: went under application in a separate mot file an island's trust file and went ahead

[2:10:51] Voice 4: was successfully subdivided and registered in the land titles office

[2:10:56] Voice 4: office. Four of those five lots were put on the market for sale. And in fact, all four

[2:11:06] Voice 4: of them sold. Three of the titles are owned by one individual with a constructed home.

[2:11:13] Voice 4: And the other title, lot two, is owned by an individual from Vancouver and Blue Water

[2:11:20] Voice 4: is currently constructing a home for them uh that left uh lot one from 477 south which is currently

[2:11:30] Voice 4: under application in conjunction um with district lot 477 north um and both of those were under

[2:11:40] Voice 4: application 10 or 12 years ago when the owner at that time just turned the project off and so uh

[2:11:49] Voice 4: you may ask the question, you know, why would someone do that? And the answer is that that's

[2:11:57] Voice 4: what they wanted to do. So there wasn't the economic constraints with that owner that you

[2:12:04] Voice 4: might otherwise think would drive someone's requirement to complete the subdivision

[2:12:09] Voice 4: and monetize the project. It was a peripheral asset to the owner. The economic consequences

[2:12:16] Voice 4: consequences had no impact on the owner. They lost interest in being in the subdivision business

[2:12:23] Voice 4: and how sound and had an increasingly larger business growing in another area of their

[2:12:30] Voice 4: investments. They put lot one and 477 North on the market. And I mean, it was on the market for

[2:12:40] Voice 4: years and i can tell you that that they never received one offer uh on it and then um i guess

[2:12:49] Voice 4: in december of 2021 a new group came together and looked at it and acquired it from the previous

[2:12:59] Voice 4: owner one of the reasons why they were attracted to it was because the a lot of the uncertainty

[2:13:07] Voice 4: certainly associated with a vacant land subdivision uh seem to have already been off the table because

[2:13:13] Voice 4: you could actually read reports from Islands Trust um look at the Ministry of Transportation uh PLR

[2:13:21] Voice 4: which is basically a building permit for a vacant land subdivision they could walk on the ground and

[2:13:27] Voice 4: see the drilled Wells the constructed Road the cleared building sites the constructed dock so

[2:13:31] Voice 4: it was a bit odd it's kind of like um you know going to build a house but the house is already

[2:13:36] Voice 4: already built and so you know speaking to the community I mean I don't think it's unusual at

[2:13:43] Voice 4: all because the you know the community's voice is best represented in existing zoning the community

[2:13:50] Voice 4: has directed that this property be subdivided for rural residential use and that the average

[2:13:57] Voice 4: lot size should be four hectares with a lot no smaller than half a hectare and so in actual fact

[2:14:03] Voice 4: In fact, the subdivision represents the intent

[2:14:07] Voice 4: of the community to see this area grow for recreational use.

[2:14:11] Voice 4: It's not a rezoning and it is a perfect reflection

[2:14:15] Voice 4: of what the official community plan committee

[2:14:18] Voice 4: originally envisioned for this area.

[2:14:20] Voice 4: And in fact is an implementation of current zoning.

[2:14:24] Voice 4: So it may be new to the community

[2:14:27] Voice 4: to see this area developing,

[2:14:29] Voice 4: but it's exactly what the community has directed should be done with this property okay

[2:14:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): so I have

[2:14:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): a couple more follow-up questions if that's okay through the committee can you just explain I again

[2:14:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm sort of having to go back in my memory a bit here because it was a long process to get to the

[2:14:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): subdivision of the first lot and thanks for reminding me that it was two separate development

[2:15:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): lots um that uh do all lots have access to that community dock now um or is that we'd separate

[2:15:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): it out because i thought that was one of the uh concepts with the original subdivision was that

[2:15:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): the the one community dock would serve all the the proposed lots it

[2:15:24] Voice 4: was and it's not a requirement of

[2:15:27] Voice 4: the uh of the subdivision it was a marketing plan at the time uh by the developer and when the uh

[2:15:37] Voice 4: four lots from deal 477 south were put on the market the use of the dock was not included in

[2:15:48] Voice 4: that sale so lots two three four and five do not have use of that dock okay

[2:16:00] Voice 11: um

[2:16:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): so that okay so

[2:16:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): So it just happens to be one owner,

[2:16:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): but that implies that then those become lots

[2:16:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): that use either their own dock if it's built,

[2:16:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): because one lot has access to building its own dock,

[2:16:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): but also that that would be using the community dock

[2:16:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): down in New Brighton as access points.

[2:16:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I

[2:16:27] Voice 4: can't really speak to that

[2:16:28] Voice 4: because I wasn't involved for the last 10 years

[2:16:31] Voice 4: And a business decision was made by the previous owner

[2:16:35] Voice 4: that lots two through four were not going to be granted the right to use the dock.

[2:16:43] Voice 4: And actually, Kate, if you think about it, it would have been odd, right?

[2:16:47] Voice 4: The subdivision from lot one that would have created the community lot that would then be the owner of the dock, in fact, hadn't been completed at that time.

[2:17:00] Voice 4: so there was a

[2:17:01] Voice 4: it was a broken model so i i wish it had happened you know i mean this isn't a

[2:17:07] Voice 4: personal thing for me but you know i i wish it had happened the other way as well i understand

[2:17:12] Voice 4: your frustration uh it's a valid point um but it didn't occur um

[2:17:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): and so just sorry i i know

[2:17:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm taking up quite a bit of time but this this is a big deal we don't get a lot of subdivisions

[2:17:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): on on gambier that at least they don't come through very often so uh of this size um so

[2:17:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the last 10 years and um the community has really become far more cognizant of fire and the

[2:17:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): impact of fire um is there any opportunity as we again it this is only specific part of the

[2:17:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): subdivision we're looking at but in general is there any opportunity to look for

[2:17:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): or better fire support when you're building it?

[2:18:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Is there options to see how we can support fire mitigation

[2:18:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): in this subdivision,

[2:18:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): especially the new part that's being cleared now?

[2:18:20] Voice 4: Do you mean like a fire at a home site or a forest fire?

[2:18:25] Voice 4: fire?

[2:18:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): Anything like is, you know, I'm just trying to build fire awareness, especially into new

[2:18:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): subdivisions, recognizing this is not a new subdivision, but that, you know, you've got roads

[2:18:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): in, is there options for water sources, and just building the fire awareness. I guess I'm just

[2:18:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): just trying to as a community statement that fire will be is a big issue in this area

[2:18:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): the concerns

[2:18:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): over whether it's forest fire or a house fire spreading that we have the ability to provide

[2:19:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): equipment and access and support to mitigating fire concerns

[2:19:11] Voice 4: so in rural areas whether it's on

[2:19:13] Voice 4: gambier or any other area and you're you're within the scrd now doing work there so as soon as you

[2:19:19] Voice 4: as soon as you go out into secret cove or clyndale or langdale or those areas you know you are

[2:19:26] Voice 4: surrounded by crown forest and the woodlot i'd be more concerned about woodlot to the north and the

[2:19:30] Voice 4: crown lands lighting on fire and if they do then it would be beyond the capacity of a community to

[2:19:36] Voice 4: respond um i subdivided brigade bay and i mean i'm i think i've i've i've probably subdivided

[2:19:44] Voice 4: more land on gambio than anyone fircom sunset estates austin trails uh i was associated with

[2:19:50] Voice 4: the costich group not on west bay landing but i'm familiar with it and i think what what the

[2:19:56] Voice 4: community is doing right now is correct with fire is that you you harvest the best intentions of the

[2:20:02] Voice 4: community and get the volunteers involved and you station water supplies and equipment

[2:20:08] Voice 4: in positions where the volunteers can move as quickly as possible to providing some support

[2:20:18] Voice 4: limited support if there is an issue with the fire which is normally around a dwelling and so

[2:20:25] Voice 4: So I would think Cotton Bay will grow in the same way that the community members will look at the volunteer corp that exists throughout Gambier and contribute to assisting them.

[2:20:44] Voice 4: I mean, some of the things we can do, and listen, Kate, I'll take this offline and talk to the owners about it, but we could position water supply, for example.

[2:20:54] Voice 4: and i don't this doesn't this isn't a condition of subdivision this isn't thinking about what's

[2:20:58] Voice 4: what's best for the community and um i like things like trails and parks and all these things that

[2:21:05] Voice 4: you think developers don't want to do i like firefighting we've done things before around

[2:21:09] Voice 4: positioning areas where water supply or equipment can be stored um we can do those things technically

[2:21:20] Voice 4: as well kate we could we could charge an srw to locate a footprint of real estate so that not only

[2:21:27] Voice 4: does the volunteer community uh have legal access into the property but they have the right to have

[2:21:34] Voice 4: equipment accessible there so it doesn't have to be dragged up andy's bay road you know with a flat

[2:21:39] Voice 4: tire and so um i think all that i think it's a good idea so uh that's

[2:21:45] Voice 11: what i'm asking yeah and

[2:21:47] Voice 4: And who's the fellow that runs the firefighting side of it?

[2:21:52] Voice 4: I see him in the email.

[2:21:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): Bob Ostege is the coordinator.

[2:21:57] Voice 4: Right.

[2:21:57] Voice 4: So

[2:21:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's just keeping all this in mind that this is an additional area that will be supported by the community.

[2:22:05] Voice 4: Sure.

[2:22:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'll

[2:22:07] Voice 4: reach out to Bob on that.

[2:22:09] Voice 4: I like the idea of water supply.

[2:22:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): And again, I understand I'm not speaking specifically to the request.

[2:22:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): i understand uh it's the only it's the only opportunity we have to ask these questions

[2:22:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): of this subdivision it's it's a it's a big deal um finally um you've got that road is it going

[2:22:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): to be built down to the water

[2:22:32] Voice 4: absolutely not

[2:22:33] Voice 4: not going to be built any further than it's built

[2:22:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): oh really so there will be no access yes

[2:22:40] Voice 4: there will be there'll be a 20 meter public right away

[2:22:42] Voice 4: way with a usable surface that will allow the public for the first time to access Cotton

[2:22:48] Voice 4: Bay.

[2:22:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): That's what I was trying to get at.

[2:22:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): Absolutely.

[2:22:52] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:22:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): Great.

[2:22:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay.

[2:22:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm going to leave it at that.

[2:22:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): I, you know, I recognize I was going off, but there was a very specific reason for it.

[2:23:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I don't know if my other trustees have further questions of the applicant.

[2:23:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Kate.

[2:23:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Barnard, do you have any questions for the

[2:23:08] Voice 11: applicant or staff?

[2:23:12] Voice 11: No, you did so.

[2:23:21] Voice 11: sorry trustee bernardo you

[2:23:23] Voice 9: were muted and so it isn't clear what you said

[2:23:27] Voice 9: you don't have anything then i'm going to go

[2:23:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): apologies uh i i had myself muted because i

[2:23:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): i was busy typing up that resident that motion uh thank you uh no i don't have anything to add

[2:23:40] Trustee Bernardo (probable): uh trustee stanford has has covered it all thank you

[2:23:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): excellent good works trustee stanford did

[2:23:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): you still have a lingering question for staff there trustee i've got

[2:23:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): i've got lots of questions

[2:23:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I just, this is a statement more than a question, but just to remind the local trust

[2:24:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): community that actually this Cotton Bay area is not covered by our current OCP.

[2:24:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): This is from an OCP from the seventies.

[2:24:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that is a weird, another weird glitch with Cotton Bay and that we hope to be able to

[2:24:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): regularize regularly regularize this with the ocp process so that's that's just more of a statement

[2:24:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): um in terms of uh actually speaking to the the question at hand here um

[2:24:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): looking at the 10 um variance request i see down at the where the dock is that extra narrow

[2:24:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): narrow little line that will go up to Cotton Bay Road.

[2:24:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): There's a very narrow access point,

[2:24:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): which is what the variance is.

[2:24:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): Understanding that will never be developed

[2:24:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): as an actual access because it's very steep in that area,

[2:25:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): but that allows for the existence of that community lot.

[2:25:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): So therefore you have access to the dock

[2:25:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's already built down there I don't have an issue with that and also that

[2:25:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): the Cotton Bay Road access is Cajun Road and Cajun Road doesn't exist in in terms

[2:25:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): of actual road it's it's just an undeveloped right away at this point I

[2:25:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think other than that, I think I've said what I need to say.

[2:25:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you.

[2:25:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, then.

[2:25:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): So are there if there's no further discussion, I'd look forward to a motion and there's a

[2:25:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): motion in your agenda package.

[2:25:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, I can make a motion and it's on page here.

[2:25:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm going back up again recommendation.

[2:26:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay.

[2:26:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay, I move that per Local Government Act Section 5122,

[2:26:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[2:26:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): waive the regulations 8.61 Gambier LUB requirement

[2:26:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): to meet the minimum 10% lot frontage on a highway

[2:26:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): for proposed lot 11 and proposed community lot

[2:26:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the subdivision proposal sketch for GM sub 2022.2.

[2:26:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): so move do i have a seconder i

[2:26:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): seconded excellent

[2:26:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): any further discussion and

[2:26:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'll just make a very

[2:26:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): quick comment that um if this is a way of of allowing these lots that are irregular to connect

[2:26:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): to roads without having to build further out um i support it um as as a overall recommendation

[2:27:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): recommendation on this um I guess that's as far as I can say on this one okay

[2:27:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you any further

[2:27:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): discussion all those in favor show of hands thank you that carries unanimously um and so good luck

[2:27:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): sir with your subdivision thanks

[2:27:22] Voice 4: so much everyone cheers bye all

[2:27:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): right thank you so I'm noticing

[2:27:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's 12 30 pretty much um do you want to have a lunch break at this point do you want to do the

[2:27:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): next application actually let me ask is there uh less staff is there uh i think i did see a swain

[2:27:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the audience here so maybe out of respect for the applicant uh we should conclude this next one

[2:27:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then have a lunch break is that all right makes

[2:27:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): sense to me okay

[2:27:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): so let's go to gambier

[2:27:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): development permit 2020.2 swain lot 28 bridge bay road and i think i i'm not mistaken that there is

[2:28:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh the applicant is in the audience yes

[2:28:08] Voice 12: yeah i believe that

[2:28:09] Voice 6: uh nicholas is attending the meeting

[2:28:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): so presuming he saw the process on the previous application there'll be opportunity for the

[2:28:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): applicant to speak trustees will ask questions and advance the discussion so uh stefan thank

[2:28:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much for joining us here you've got a bright light reflecting on you there somehow

[2:28:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and uh so we're not seeing you as as uh pristine as you might be and so but you go ahead with your

[2:28:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): report what's in your report is important okay

[2:28:36] Voice 6: yeah apologies i think it's the the window behind

[2:28:39] Voice 6: me the bright light there um so this is a development permit application for the infilling

[2:28:45] Voice 6: of a trench construction of decks and the removal of trees located within development permit areas

[2:28:51] Voice 6: two and three on gambier island and the draft permit contains conditions following the

[2:28:57] Voice 6: recommendations of the biologist report that was submitted by the applicant and these conditions

[2:29:02] Voice 6: require that a boat rack be relocated outside of the riparian setback the narrowing of excavator

[2:29:08] Voice 6: tracks and old driveways by replanting them and planting vegetation along constructed channel to

[2:29:15] Voice 6: staff for recommending approval of the development permit all

[2:29:24] Voice 11: right that's uh sweet short and sweet

[2:29:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you um does the applicant concur with the recommendation and do you have any additional

[2:29:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): information for the ltc to consider chair

[2:29:35] Voice 6: luck i'm attempting to promote the panelist

[2:29:38] Voice 6: there you go he's there now thank

[2:29:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): you yes

[2:29:45] Voice 5: hi uh yeah thank you very much stephen uh

[2:29:47] Voice 5: and uh to the chair and and to the trustees i i i'm actually yeah absolutely fine uh i i will uh

[2:29:55] Voice 5: endeavor to you know to uh uh work on the suggestions that uh that have been

[2:30:00] Voice 5: recommended by islands trust thank you okay

[2:30:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you so trustees do you have

[2:30:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): any questions for the applicant or staff on this one I do not

[2:30:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): hi

[2:30:17] Voice 11: thank you for

[2:30:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): attending mr. Swain I've been looking at this I also got a chance to look on

[2:30:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): Google Earth it's it's much clearer now they must have new images there thank

[2:30:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): you for responding to this i understand this comes from uh an infraction notice and you've

[2:30:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): you've made the attempts to um manage the situation um i have a specific question around

[2:30:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): the the deck that's um sitting out on the the rock um the furthest out i am concerned um about

[2:30:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): about the overall impact of that deck

[2:31:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): and its viability given the rise in storms

[2:31:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): and sea level concerns that we've been talking earlier.

[2:31:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): Do you see that deck as a permanent feature

[2:31:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): or is that something that we could see

[2:31:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): return to a more natural aspect?

[2:31:22] Voice 5: Sure, so yeah, thank you.

[2:31:24] Voice 5: So the deck, we currently utilize that deck.

[2:31:30] Voice 5: we sort of produced, my daughter and I grabbed a plank out of the ocean every year for 10 years

[2:31:35] Voice 5: and built this deck. And it's been fine, but it's a 10 by 10 deck. It's not too large and for our

[2:31:41] Voice 5: family. So first of all, as far as the sea level rise, even if we had a rise of a foot or two,

[2:31:49] Voice 5: the way that that's positioned this rocky area, if you consider all of the sort of setbacks

[2:31:58] Voice 5: from the ocean, we've located it in a pocket. There's actually a pocket that has almost no

[2:32:05] Voice 5: vegetation in it from the day that we got there. When you leave, I'm going to say the main area

[2:32:15] Voice 5: of the property, and you go out to this point, there was significant salal there. We have done

[2:32:22] Voice 5: nothing to change that at all. We actually don't even prune that area. It's essentially a deer

[2:32:28] Voice 5: trail we want it to be as natural as possible but once we get out to that area which is which is a

[2:32:34] Voice 5: i'm going to say a feature of the property is to be able to have that that's a sitting area out

[2:32:41] Voice 5: there we just wanted to create an area that was a little a little larger than it currently you

[2:32:46] Voice 5: know that it currently is the 10 by 10 deck so that we can yeah we can you know we can enjoy

[2:32:51] Voice 5: that deck so uh no issue from uh no issue from a vegetation standpoint uh we're not so and with

[2:32:59] Voice 5: respect to the permanency of it you know we're not looking to pour concrete piers here we're

[2:33:05] Voice 5: not looking to do any of that everything we do over there we do it to the level that you know

[2:33:11] Voice 5: even even all of our decks they're non-permanent they can be removed at any time with no detriment

[2:33:19] Voice 5: to the underlying ground, rock, et cetera.

[2:33:22] Voice 5: There's no big, we pour no concrete there.

[2:33:25] Voice 5: There's no, you know, so we're very cognizant about that, you know.

[2:33:29] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:33:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): Okay.

[2:33:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): So you're not going to be overly upset if something takes it away.

[2:33:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm just concerned.

[2:33:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): No,

[2:33:36] Voice 5: not at all.

[2:33:38] Voice 5: And, you know, if it does, it does.

[2:33:41] Voice 5: But no, it wouldn't.

[2:33:43] Voice 5: Right now you can actually be on the ocean.

[2:33:47] Voice 5: You can be looking back at the property.

[2:33:49] Voice 5: And you can't really see, you can't see a deck, you can't see any of the underpinnings,

[2:33:53] Voice 5: et cetera, because they're all, I would say underpinnings.

[2:33:55] Voice 5: What I mean is like, you know, a two by six board, lower structure, it's all sitting in

[2:34:02] Voice 5: this pocket.

[2:34:02] Voice 5: So we've been very cognizant of even, you know, sort of neighbors and people going by

[2:34:06] Voice 5: to make this not something that's sticking out and that everybody can see.

[2:34:11] Voice 5: It just sits down into this pocket.

[2:34:13] Voice 5: And that's where we want to keep it.

[2:34:15] Voice 5: we want it to be just uh well i'm going to say when i say as natural as possible it's a deck

[2:34:20] Voice 5: but we we want it to fit into the environment and not be you know a foot or two or or so above the

[2:34:27] Voice 5: the uh the the level of the ground

[2:34:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay yeah and and and just to be clear i'm concerned about

[2:34:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): what happens to that deck if it floats away because we are having a lot of problems with

[2:34:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): i

[2:34:40] Voice 5: i understand and she's washing up

[2:34:42] Voice 5: so yeah yeah i understand

[2:34:45] Voice 11: all the

[2:34:46] Voice 5: logs etc that currently come

[2:34:48] Voice 5: in from the storms even on the king tides and the worst storms they don't even come close to where

[2:34:53] Voice 5: that that deck is it's actually the that section where the deck is it's almost think of it almost

[2:34:58] Voice 5: like a volcano it rises up by about a uh well probably two to three feet uh and and then it

[2:35:05] Voice 5: then it drops down again by about a foot and a half so it it it's a perfect area to have a deck

[2:35:10] Voice 5: no i'm not concerned at all with being washed away uh it it'll it'll stay there yeah

[2:35:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): um and

[2:35:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): then finally just uh clarification on this little boat house um because boat houses tend to turn

[2:35:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): into other things on gambier and then slowly build up to be you know fairly substantial sleeping

[2:35:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): cabins or they go beyond their initial purpose so I just want

[2:35:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): to make sure that

[2:35:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): you know this boathouse is used specifically as a boathouse

[2:35:41] Voice 5: then that's

[2:35:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's its future you

[2:35:45] Voice 5: can you can visit it anytime you wish there we have in the

[2:35:49] Voice 5: boathouse we have 12 sorry we have 10 kayaks two paddle boards fishing gear

[2:35:56] Voice 5: and things and we cram it all into this small area we've got stuffing from

[2:36:00] Voice 5: raft is it is only designed to be that and and it has actually a front and a back sort of entrance

[2:36:05] Voice 5: so it it's it's very open as a structure when we're you know but yeah nothing we couldn't we

[2:36:12] Voice 5: could never do anything else with it and we don't want to and my kids who will one day inherit i'm

[2:36:18] Voice 5: hoping that that uh they they are completely under the same thing it's there's we're not

[2:36:23] Voice 5: putting sleeping cabins down there it's just

[2:36:25] Voice 5: for a boat house yeah and

[2:36:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): and you now have do you now

[2:36:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): now have a an actual uh dwelling on this property now we

[2:36:33] Voice 5: don't we don't have a we do not have a

[2:36:35] Voice 5: dwelling uh and part of that is is because we've since day one we just we love to be over there

[2:36:41] Voice 5: and just to enjoy it and be camping so we've camped there for the last 15 years we've had the

[2:36:47] Voice 5: the boathouse has been there for the better part of four years uh we we um uh you know it's it's

[2:36:56] Voice 5: you know we have uh well you know we as much to my wife's chagrin we don't have a we don't have

[2:37:02] Voice 5: a dwelling yet uh and as we get older uh you know we both complain of the camping camping but you

[2:37:08] Voice 5: know what that that's what we love about that place is we just uh we're we're camping and when

[2:37:14] Voice 5: we have friends over we have uh green grass and they can camp on it and uh that's what we enjoy

[2:37:19] Voice 5: so we we you know we purposely set out i know there's you know limitations with respect to

[2:37:25] Voice 5: having a boathouse if you don't have a house first you know uh for us we you know it'll probably be

[2:37:31] Voice 5: four to five years before we have a house on the on the property because we just we just love to

[2:37:37] Voice 5: camp so that's okay okay

[2:37:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): i think my questions are being clarified to the um applicant thank you

[2:37:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank

[2:37:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): you um any further discussion then i'm going to call for the vote on the uh development permit

[2:37:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): in front of us all those in favor oh yeah oh we need a motion yeah

[2:37:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): we need a motion here i'm

[2:37:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): trying to get to it thank you we need a motion um i'm just getting to the page sorry here we

[2:38:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): are

[2:38:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): recommendation i got

[2:38:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): ahead of myself

[2:38:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): do you have it on oh here i've got it i moved that the

[2:38:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): gambier on local trust committee approved issuance of development permit gmdp 2020.2

[2:38:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): so let's move do i have a secondary to steve bernardo thank you any discussion all those in

[2:38:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): favor that carries unanimously excellent so uh let us uh have a a break um i'd like to be respectful

[2:38:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): of providing you plenty of opportunity plenty of time but uh so i'm gonna suggest 30 minutes

[2:38:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that all right and um i do have another obligation at the end of this at two o'clock so

[2:38:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'd like to get there but i can also delay that other obligation if necessary so let's just close

[2:38:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right so let's recess and uh we'll return at uh uh at one ten okay and wait we don't have

[2:39:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): much more to go so uh i think we

[2:39:12] Voice 11: should be fine

[2:39:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay yeah okay

[2:39:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): sounds

[2:39:16] Voice 11: good thank you

[2:39:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll alert my other folks that I might be a bit delayed, but I think we'll be fine.

[2:39:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thanks. Bye. See you

[2:39:24] Voice 11: in a few minutes.

[3:11:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, there we go, it looks like we have an LTC meeting

[3:11:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): and a significant number of staff members here.

[3:11:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): So thank you everybody for returning in a timely fashion

[3:11:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): and let us continue.

[3:11:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Welcome the audience to the Gambria Island

[3:11:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Local Trust Committee meeting.

[3:11:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Chair Peter Luck, I'm elected on Thetis Island here.

[3:11:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Grateful to be living and working here

[3:11:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): in Coast Salish Territory.

[3:11:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we are um we've just concluded applications and referrals on our agenda uh we're at section

[3:11:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): nine local trust committee projects it says none but we know that's maybe no reports today but

[3:11:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's lots of things to be considered correspondence there's no correspondence on

[3:12:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): our agenda today uh this brings us to new business and uh climate change mitigation

[3:12:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): and Adaption was here and we added a new item 11.2 which remind me Kate Louise was in regard

[3:12:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): to I didn't write down the detail I

[3:12:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): can't remember now

[3:12:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): remember what time we get there

[3:12:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): maybe somebody was

[3:12:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): he planning mccarger has her hand up waiting to help yeah thank you

[3:12:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): plan mcgregor

[3:12:37] Planner McCargar (probable): thanks through the chair i have written down water sustainability report yes

[3:12:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you yes

[3:12:43] Planner McCargar (probable): okay

[3:12:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): so uh let us begin and then we'll get through the rest of the agenda i have

[3:12:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): delayed my appointment at two o'clock so no no worries about the the timing and so uh if that's

[3:12:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right 11.1 climate change mitigation adaption i'll just uh turn to staff actually because i

[3:13:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): asked what was this about because there's nothing attached and apparently it's been on your agenda

[3:13:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): for a long time and we're hoping that trustee stanford actually i think knows what's going on

[3:13:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): but uh uh uh planner mccargar do you have anything else to offer at this time

[3:13:16] Planner McCargar (probable): i don't just so we have a new ledge clerk that's just started with our office and she highlighted

[3:13:22] Planner McCargar (probable): this for me asking me what it was and i wasn't sure so we went back and looked on at the previous

[3:13:28] Planner McCargar (probable): probably four agendas and it's always been on there with no attachment and so trustee stanford

[3:13:34] Planner McCargar (probable): i'm wondering if you can cannot tell

[3:13:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): us anything where that comes from is is similar to um it's

[3:13:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): just a standing um agenda item in case there's any news specific to that um it doesn't need to

[3:13:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): stay on that way i i think it was a recommendation of our previous chair um just anything that comes

[3:13:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): up within that purview we can talk about it at that point

[3:14:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): um okay it does seem to me that

[3:14:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): that if we wanted to have a discussion item,

[3:14:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): it maybe should be somewhere else,

[3:14:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): like maybe under reports or something

[3:14:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): rather than new business,

[3:14:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): because it does look a little odd.

[3:14:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Bernardo, do you have any thoughts on that one?

[3:14:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Well, in a sense, we've already earlier on in the meeting,

[3:14:23] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we explored climate mitigation.

[3:14:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): And I tend to agree with the chair that a standing item

[3:14:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): doesn't necessarily belong in the new business area.

[3:14:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): area um so perhaps

[3:14:36] Voice 3: we should just take it out and yeah well

[3:14:39] Voice 3: when we've got a climate mitigation

[3:14:40] Voice 3: issue that emerges well we'll talk about it then i guess uh yeah i'm not sure it needs to be a

[3:14:46] Voice 3: standing item if it doesn't get it it doesn't get addressed at every meeting i'm not sure it needs

[3:14:50] Voice 3: to be a standing item so yeah if it's sitting

[3:14:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): under new business yeah i thought it was just a

[3:14:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): general um agenda item but yeah it doesn't make sense under new business that's for sure so um

[3:15:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, Trustee Stamford, do you think that this needs to be on the agenda as a regular item at all, or do you think that there's opportunities to report out on climate change mitigation and adaption in some fashion under reports, knowing that probably the LTC members would own it rather than anticipating the staff would be contributing anything particular there. Over to you.

[3:15:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): honestly my preference would be that we take it off and then climate change mitigation adaptation

[3:15:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): is in every aspect of our agenda and we bring it up as as required so that's my preference

[3:15:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): you

[3:15:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): are absolutely right all right so then let's assume then that that is done and we'll remove

[3:15:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): that from the agenda accordingly so let's go to 11.2 then water sustainability reports and uh that

[3:15:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): was a question that you had trustee stanford unless you'd like to re-voice that um what's

[3:16:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): happening i'll go to staff do you have anything you'd like to say at this portion of our agenda

[3:16:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): for the public's benefit thanks

[3:16:12] Planner McCargar (probable): so i'm actually a bit unclear what was this something that arose

[3:16:16] Planner McCargar (probable): from the past minutes trustee stanford or um what type of reporting out were you looking for on this

[3:16:23] Planner McCargar (probable): because i hadn't prepared

[3:16:24] Planner McCargar (probable): anything oh

[3:16:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): that that's okay it um it was actually from it's a trust

[3:16:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): Trust Council initiative through William Shilba that the I've noted on my files that how sound

[3:16:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): reporting out regarding the the water recharge reporting was supposed to be available sometime

[3:16:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): in March from that that overall Trust Council project so I just don't want to lose sight of

[3:16:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): that and make sure it gets to us so that's all it was about should i bring it up with

[3:17:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): william directly or how should um we move forward on that yeah

[3:17:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm just trying to reflect on

[3:17:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): that certainly would be a reporting out probably to council um through either a regional planning

[3:17:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee or through uh william trouble directly so i might suggest you reach out to william and

[3:17:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): if it's that there's some local reporting that needs to happen with some mapping and of course

[3:17:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): budget is now in place for whatever was planned and I don't recall for sure the details as to

[3:17:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): whether or not that was going to water sustainability or not I think there was some

[3:17:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): so yeah and he could bring something to the LTC if it seems appropriate okay

[3:17:48] Voice 12: I'll do that thanks

[3:17:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): leave that with you perfect excellent so let's get to the reporting section here

[3:17:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): we have the island's trust conservancy report dated uh february 23rd and that's on page 77

[3:18:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm just gonna backtrack here a second make sure i'm in the right place um this this was actually

[3:18:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know and as the past member chair of the island's trust conservancy i'm not just saying

[3:18:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): this for your benefit. This is an important document that shows up on all the LTC's reports

[3:18:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I always like to have the opportunity to speak to it when I can. It would be ideal if

[3:18:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Kate-Louise Stanford was still on the Islands Trust Conservancy but I know that she's got

[3:18:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): other lots of fish to fry so to speak. And so this is an update bringing our attention to the

[3:18:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): work that the island trust conservancy does for the islands trust and you can see from this report

[3:18:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): that the strategic planning and administration undergoing a variety of covenants and acquisitions

[3:18:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): i don't believe there's anything specific to gambier at this time but correct me if i'm

[3:19:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): wrong there kate lee's but that's there for information and for informing the community

[3:19:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): as well as the LTC, what the Islands Trust Conservancy does.

[3:19:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): So just

[3:19:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): a brief point of information for new trustees is Gambier Island is, has part

[3:19:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): of a restricted fund for potential land acquisition under the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[3:19:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then the only other item that's sort of ongoing is Sandy Beach on Keats is one of the newest acquisitions as part of the DL 696 rezoning subdivision project.

[3:19:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): project and that is more active there's the management plan has already come in and the

[3:20:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): community seems to be very supportive of maintaining and managing that themselves and especially

[3:20:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): around invasive species things like that so that's really when I a good segue for issues

[3:20:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): in this particular area thank

[3:20:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): you very much okay any questions on respect to

[3:20:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): that report

[3:20:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): yes trustee Sanford referred to a restricted fund I'm I don't know

[3:20:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what that is perhaps I could be explained

[3:20:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah it's simply a fund has

[3:20:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): been sitting with the Islands Trust Conservancy for almost 10 years or more

[3:20:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): now and it was a bequest from a local community member to allow for any kind

[3:20:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): of conservation project including property acquisition on Gambier. It's not

[3:20:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): a huge amount but it continues to grow in our in the Islands Trust Conservancy

[3:21:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): Bank but there's several restricted funds across the Islands Trust where

[3:21:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): bequests be made or um communities have put money aside for an opportunity for land acquisition

[3:21:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): so that's one of them and um you know there's certain challenges in this area land being

[3:21:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): large scale compared to other areas and also uh you know fairly expensive given its proximity to

[3:21:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): vancouver but it's nice that it is not very like very restricted it's only that it has to be used

[3:21:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): on Gambier. So the Conservancy, the Gambier Island Conservancy works towards finding an appropriate

[3:21:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): project for that. Thank you.

[3:21:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, thank you for that question and the answer and indeed there's

[3:21:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): a number of funds which sit in the reserves for the Island Trust Conservancy specifically

[3:21:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): for some special purpose that doesn't impact the taxpayers so that's actually important to note.

[3:22:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm going to continue on applications report dated march the 7th that looks like you've got

[3:22:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): four applications in process here five six you've got quite a few actually um uh applications in

[3:22:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): process and so this is an opportunity to ask questions about the progress on those um and

[3:22:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): so i'll just ask marlis do you have any recent updates that wasn't included in your report

[3:22:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): no so trustees do you have any questions about any of the applications on here

[3:22:29] Trustee Bernardo (probable): not really i

[3:22:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I guess I'd only ask whether or not the staff thinks there's anything in any of these applications

[3:22:39] Trustee Bernardo (probable): that might be an unusual or particularly interesting issue that might have to be dealt with in

[3:22:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the future, or whether these are all kind of routine.

[3:22:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): So,

[3:22:54] Voice 9: Planner Mark McCarver.

[3:22:57] Planner McCargar (probable): Thanks, through the Chair.

[3:22:59] Planner McCargar (probable): I'm not personally familiar with each and every one of the applications, but I would

[3:23:03] Planner McCargar (probable): suggest that if there was any um that you had questions on you can just contact the planner

[3:23:09] Planner McCargar (probable): that's associated with that file i know some are quite long-standing and so there probably are some

[3:23:15] Planner McCargar (probable): uh intricacies in those applications that relate to why they've been on been applications uh for

[3:23:22] Planner McCargar (probable): so long but um yeah it'd be best to contact the planner associated with that file all right thank

[3:23:28] Planner McCargar (probable): it all

[3:23:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): right so kate louis stanford um

[3:23:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): for the land plan group which is dl696 um i don't think

[3:23:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's anything for planners but it really would be a good idea to get an update from the the manager

[3:23:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): of that project from the keats camp area um i keep meaning to do it but i wondered if it would

[3:23:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): be more appropriate that trustee bernardo reach out and just get an update as to where that

[3:23:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): subdivision is at now and because it will have an impact on our committee

[3:24:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): potentially as people start to look at renovations or and and sales and things

[3:24:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): like that that that could be quite a large impact for us so

[3:24:21] Trustee Bernardo (probable): just a point of

[3:24:22] Trustee Bernardo (probable): clarification is the the planner on that file should be reasonably informed on

[3:24:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): what developments if any are happening with the uh with what's happening with the keats camp cottages

[3:24:33] Trustee Bernardo (probable): you

[3:24:36] Voice 9: want to speak that on behalf of something i'm

[3:24:40] Voice 3: addressing i'm actually addressing uh trustee

[3:24:42] Voice 3: stamford i should have been clear about that oh okay

[3:24:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): i i did make that request and um because the

[3:24:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): the actual um process is out of the island's trust hands now we've done everything

[3:24:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): thing we were supposed to do. It's now more of a question of

[3:24:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): sits with the developer themselves. So that's it's an

[3:25:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): opportunity just to reach out, I always forget his name, but I do

[3:25:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): have his contact information. Just to get a sense of where

[3:25:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): that particular project is.

[3:25:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's not unusual on other LTCs for projects that have been on

[3:25:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): the uh applications just for a long time and and that there's been no updates in fact looking at

[3:25:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): that one the last update was in 2008 um staff can certainly at the direction of the altc reach out

[3:25:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): to seek an update and um that would be helpful but um trustee bernardo over to you

[3:25:42] Voice 11: yes uh um

[3:25:46] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it's a good it's a good suggestion i mean well just reach out to the planner and ask

[3:25:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): her to contact the developer to see what's happening in terms of development.

[3:25:55] Trustee Bernardo (probable): As a point of clarification, this is another question for Trustee Stanford, because she

[3:26:00] Trustee Bernardo (probable): was present and participated in what seems to have been a long-running major saga of

[3:26:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): getting this rezoning to enable leaseholders to turn their leases into freehold, and had

[3:26:19] Trustee Bernardo (probable): essentially together with my predecessor having structured that uh trustee samford had mentioned

[3:26:26] Trustee Bernardo (probable): in passing that in terms of the planning function in terms of where the island's trust is at

[3:26:32] Trustee Bernardo (probable): we've done everything that's needed for the purpose of the development on our end they've

[3:26:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): they've got the zoning and all the fine points of that have been tweaked so now it's really over to

[3:26:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of the development to follow its path in terms of negotiation between leaseholders and the

[3:26:51] Trustee Bernardo (probable): developer. The question for Trustee Stamford is, it's likely to be that some of these cottages

[3:27:01] Trustee Bernardo (probable): are going to have to have individual upgrades and developments and that kind of stuff.

[3:27:05] Trustee Bernardo (probable): To what extent have global variances, if any, been granted in connection with the rezoning process or through the rezoning process, what kind of permissions have been worked into it to enable those changes?

[3:27:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): changes or is the approach that we took was we've done the large-scale planning side of it and then

[3:27:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): with with respect to issues say within a development permit area for sure whatever you want

[3:27:44] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to call it uh with respect to the cottagers that they're going to have to make individual

[3:27:48] Trustee Bernardo (probable): applications to address individual work on their properties right the question's not that clear I'm

[3:27:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): sorry but do i need to elaborate it

[3:27:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah yeah it um it it's so detailed and so long um there was um

[3:28:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): sort of serve basic surveying done to cite everything but it isn't necessarily that

[3:28:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): everything is okay um i'm hoping a planner has a more planner response to that um

[3:28:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): Because I think there's a lot of work still to be done as people then hopefully apply, especially if they're going to start moving forward with any changes to their properties.

[3:28:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): Because right now, in fact, I'm not even sure if it's still in place, but there wasn't an opportunity.

[3:28:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): You couldn't do anything on your property for the longest time here or on your leased land.

[3:28:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): there was you couldn't upgrade your your homes or anything like that so we do

[3:28:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): expect a lot of new applications to come in once this goes through but maybe a

[3:29:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): planner has a better sort of vocabulary to state where we're at with those those

[3:29:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): small properties just

[3:29:11] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to clarify what I'm groping I was trying to get to the

[3:29:16] Trustee Bernardo (probable): the point as to whether like once the developer is in a process where they really are turning

[3:29:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): over these leaseholds into a freehold whether or not we're actually likely to see a flood

[3:29:30] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of applications as people now actually own this property want to upgrade it want to make changes

[3:29:36] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to it whether we're whether in terms of business planning we should be anticipating that there's

[3:29:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to be a large volume of applications and the work that goes with it um sometime

[3:29:47] Voice 11: in the future

[3:29:53] Voice 11: perhaps planner

[3:29:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): mccarver could answer that sure

[3:29:55] Planner McCargar (probable): through the chair

[3:29:56] Planner McCargar (probable): um so i really think that the focused question

[3:30:00] Planner McCargar (probable): about the application should go to Planner Zoopanek she's been working on this for years

[3:30:03] Planner McCargar (probable): and she will have a lot of detailed information that she can share with you and in terms of

[3:30:10] Planner McCargar (probable): we don't know if there'll be a huge influx of applications and if at that time if there was

[3:30:16] Planner McCargar (probable): you could make the choice as the LTC at that time to pause work on projects and focus on

[3:30:22] Planner McCargar (probable): applications or you know it would sort of be at the discretion of the LTC at that time but we

[3:30:29] Planner McCargar (probable): we can't predict okay

[3:30:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): fair enough i'll talk to the planner in charge of this and so a motion

[3:30:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): that asks uh staff for uh uh status report on this file would be appropriate i think and then

[3:30:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): they'll end up on the follow-up action list and it'll get done yes

[3:30:46] Voice 11: that makes sense somebody has

[3:30:53] Voice 11: to make it oh all right uh i move that we ask staff to provide us with the status report uh

[3:31:04] Voice 11: uh regarding gmdvp 2002.1 right that's

[3:31:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): it i

[3:31:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): second moved and seconded excellent any further

[3:31:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): discussion all right okay awesome thank you so i think that concludes the applications report

[3:31:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): actually i'll tell you um having only one file this old on your application support is excellent

[3:31:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't work because LTS have ancient ones yeah but this is 42 years old oh but the file is only dated

[3:31:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): 2002.

[3:31:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah but it's 42 years old it's the oldest one in the province yeah okay

[3:31:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's keep rolling

[3:31:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): along here trustee and local expense report dated January 2023 ostensibly that's here for

[3:32:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): For our information, if you have any questions at this point, particularly as we're coming up to year end here and we've got a new budget in the wings,

[3:32:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): questions should go to Nancy Rogers with respect to that staff.

[3:32:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): But is there any particular question that you might have that staff might in the room might be able to answer?

[3:32:24] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I don't.

[3:32:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): So we'll receive it for information then. Thank you.

[3:32:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): adopted policies and standing resolutions that's here for information we did touch on that

[3:32:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): earlier and i think trustee bernardo uh the suggestion was is that you were going to come

[3:32:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): back to us with a motion to advance uh a letter uh regarding um the standing resolution that was

[3:32:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): put on the uh list at the last meeting over to you

[3:32:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): yes thank you i forwarded uh some text to uh

[3:32:54] Trustee Bernardo (probable): planet macarthur and perhaps we could have that put up on the screen

[3:32:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): perfect

[3:32:58] Voice 11: excellent work thank

[3:33:00] Voice 11: you there we go it's a

[3:33:07] Trustee Bernardo (probable): bit long but that's uh it seemed to be the way to do it shall i read it out

[3:33:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): um yeah you know the funny thing is about and i don't it's just practice more than anything else

[3:33:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and i just reiterate it from time to time because it stuck with me that we don't do really

[3:33:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): do whereas as we just blurred out the motion but um i'm going to leave it to you to read out with

[3:33:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): with whatever part you want.

[3:33:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I appreciate the comment to Chair Luckham.

[3:33:35] Trustee Bernardo (probable): It's just as I was trying to figure out

[3:33:37] Trustee Bernardo (probable): how to make the point,

[3:33:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): a certain amount of throat clearing was required.

[3:33:41] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I'm not a big fan of the whereas,

[3:33:42] Trustee Bernardo (probable): or therefore, or thereby's either,

[3:33:45] Trustee Bernardo (probable): but anyhow, I'll read it out.

[3:33:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): I think it's intelligible, but you'll be able to tell me.

[3:33:50] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Whereas the affected waterfront owners

[3:33:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): of the Volcroft community of North Thornby Island,

[3:33:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): open bracket affected owners closed bracket made a delegation to the gambier local trust committee

[3:34:02] Trustee Bernardo (probable): open bracket gltc closed bracket on january 31 2023 further to which they were granted relief

[3:34:10] Trustee Bernardo (probable): from enforcement action arising from the existence and remediation of seawalls on their respective

[3:34:15] Trustee Bernardo (probable): properties. The GMLTC, or rather the GLTC, which I read. No,

[3:34:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): GMLTC. That's right.

[3:34:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): It is GMLTC?

[3:34:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, there's too many G islands around.

[3:34:34] Trustee Bernardo (probable): Oh, I see. Fine. The GMLTC requests staff to prepare

[3:34:38] Trustee Bernardo (probable): and circulate to the GMLTC a draft letter to the affected owners that addresses the need for them

[3:34:43] Trustee Bernardo (probable): to make a collective variance application to bring the affected owners into compliance with relevant

[3:34:47] Trustee Bernardo (probable): bylaws if

[3:34:51] Voice 11: i if i

[3:34:52] Trustee Bernardo (probable): could have used it if i could have come up with something more concise i would

[3:34:56] Trustee Bernardo (probable): have so that's the motion do i have a seconder

[3:35:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): yep seconded by trustee stanford um so yeah do

[3:35:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): you wish to speak to the motion further i

[3:35:09] Trustee Bernardo (probable): don't i think we kind of like uh i mean the reason the

[3:35:13] Trustee Bernardo (probable): motions being made is we we brought ourselves to this by virtue of the previous discussion so i

[3:35:18] Trustee Bernardo (probable): have nothing further to add no

[3:35:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm good okay all um so moved and seconded all those in favor

[3:35:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): that carries unanimously thank you very much uh so at this juncture we'll receive the uh

[3:35:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): standing resolutions report and adopted policies as presented and that motion has carried and so

[3:35:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): So at 12.5, that brings us to First Nation activities.

[3:35:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is there anything to report out on with respect to activities from First Nations?

[3:35:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I also like to think at this point on the agenda, well, earlier on in the agenda,

[3:35:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): if there was an opportunity for First Nations to make presentations to the LTC, that would

[3:35:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): also be possible.

[3:36:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's in the report section, and we would look forward to standing reports from the various

[3:36:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): various nations that have interests in the Gambier-Keech trust area, but trustees, anything?

[3:36:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): No?

[3:36:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): Only that I continue to work at different levels with both the Sechelt Nation and hoping

[3:36:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): to interact with the Squamish Nation in different ways, and we'll take the opportunity to support

[3:36:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): support Gambier local trust committee interests when that that opportunity arises well thank you

[3:36:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): for that work and I look forward to anything that you bring to us so thank you I'm going to go to 12.6

[3:36:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): the local trust committee web page that website is updated on a regular basis with normal business

[3:36:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): items and this is an opportunity if there's anything particular that's different unusual

[3:36:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): usual or special that you want hosted on the web page keep in mind the resources are limited

[3:36:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): but this is your opportunity if there's anything you'd like to have done nope all right

[3:37:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll continue on then so this brings us to our work program and the two lists we have is the

[3:37:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): active projects those that we're currently working on and future projects those that we hope to

[3:37:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): attend to I'll just ask staff is there any updates you have with respect to any of those

[3:37:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): projects at this time no so trustees uh do you want to take any action here just receive them

[3:37:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): for information at this time

[3:37:31] Trustee Bernardo (probable): percy i'm content to receive for information okay

[3:37:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you very much

[3:37:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): excellent so our next meeting is uh june the 20th 2023 10 a.m at keats camp uh looking forward to

[3:37:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): that very much i have to figure out how i'm going to get there i'll probably lean on you guys to

[3:37:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): figure that out um and uh so uh we have no closed meeting today and so uh with that if there's no

[3:37:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): further business i'll call the meeting adjourned thank you thank you all

[3:38:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): those in favor we are

[3:38:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): adjourned i want to thank all of the staff rob pringle particularly for coming in and supporting

[3:38:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): us with our technology but of course uh everybody is a member of the team and appreciate all the

[3:38:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): work that everybody does for us and thank you diane for the minutes which i'm sure will be

[3:38:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): excellent okay i'm just

[3:38:25] Trustee Bernardo (probable): excited that this may be the my first meeting that actually

[3:38:28] Trustee Bernardo (probable): ended before uh didn't run late you know well

[3:38:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know despite my performance at council

[3:38:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): i try to pride myself in trying to uh meet the expectations of the meetings ending on time so

[3:38:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, let's do our best there.

[3:38:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's only better from here, Joe.

[3:38:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thanks everybody.

[3:38:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Have a great rest of your day.

[3:38:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): The sun's shining here on Thetis, so it's all good.

[3:38:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thanks a lot.

[3:38:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): Bye everyone.

[3:38:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Bye. Bye, Diane.

ADOPTED
 
Gambier Island ADOPTED 1 
Local Trust Committee Minutes 
March 14, 2023 
 
Gambier Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
March 14, 2023 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair 
 Kate-Louise Stamford, Trustee 
 Joe Bernardo, Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Renée Jamurat, RPP MCIP, Regional Planning Manager 
 Marlis McCargar, Island Planner 
 Margot Thomaidis, Planner 2 (part) 
Stephen Baugh, Planner 2 (part) 
Rob Pingle, Planning Team Assistant, Salt Spring Island 
 Diane Corbett, Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were approximately four (4) members of the public in attendance for 
part of the meeting. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Luckham called the meeting to order at 10:00 am. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. Trustees and staff were introduced. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following addition to the agenda was presented for consideration: 
 11.2 Freshwater Sustainability Strategy – Aquifer Conceptualization Project and Groundwater 
Recharge Mapping Project  
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Bernardo indicated he had nothing to report. 
 
Trustee Stamford noted most of her latest work was done at the regional level, and 
included: 
 Salt Spring Island Fire Risk workshop 
 Governance Committee work 
 Attended March Trust Council in Nanaimo where the budget was approved. 
 Met some members of Squamish Nation Marine Group regarding New Brighton 
dock.  

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 Spoke with MLA Nicholas Simons about ways forward to provide funding support for 
dock. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Luckham reported on the adoption of the 2022-2023 budget at March Trust 
Council. There was generally a 2.06% increase across Islands Trust Area. Total budget: 
$9.7 million. Thanked trustees for their input in this collective effort. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Trustee Stamford, Sunshine Coast Regional District (SCRD) Area F Director, reported the 
budget cycle of the SCRD is from January to December. The SCRD is in the midst of the 
budget process.  
On February 7 the SCRD held an electronic public information meeting for Keats 
Islanders, regarding the Eastbourne ground water investigation project. 
A water sustainability workshop held March 13 was hosted by Sechelt Nation for all 
elected officials on the Sunshine Coast to consider a view of water across the region, a 
critical priority for the area.  
At a recent meeting with the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure (MoTI), 
discussion focused primarily on the mainland and included information on how 
subdivision operates through MoTI. The LTC has asked Staff to reschedule a meeting 
with MoTI originally scheduled for the end of April to talk more specifically about issues 
in the Gambier Local Trust Area, including public access to Cotton Bay. 
4. DELEGATIONS – none  
5. PUBLIC COMMENTS – none  
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Meeting Minutes dated January 31, 2023 
The following amendments to the meeting minutes of January 31, 2023 were presented 
for consideration: 
 Item 4.1, bullet 1 should read: “Acknowledged that the Committee was meeting on 
the Squamish, Musqueam and Tsleil-Waututh First Nations”; 
 Item 4.3, bullet 1 should read: “Upcoming community engagement session with 
local residents in the SW Peninsula about the future of the New Brighton Dock 
currently owned by the Squamish Nation”; 
 Item 6, paragraph 2, bullet 2: delete “Sechelt and”; 
 Item 7.3, sentence 1: replace “legalities” with “legislative requirements”; 
 Item 10.2, paragraph 4 should read:  “A Trustee noted that, besides scientific 
rationale, a significant rationale for proposed amendments to the bylaw was that 
disturbances on the foreshore had had destructive impacts to neighbouring 
properties”; 
 Item 10.2, paragraph 5, first part of sentence should read: "Trustees discussed the 
extent of public consensus with the Draft OCP and LUB Bylaws”. 
By general consent the minutes were adopted as amended. 

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6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated March 1, 2023 
Received. 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none  
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List dated March 7, 2023 
Received. 
There was discussion of the Follow-up Action List; once items are completed, they are 
listed at the following LTC meeting where the public and trustees can view them, after 
which time the items are archived. 
7.2 Shoreline Erosion and Sea Level Rise  
Areas Sensitive to Sea Level Rise in Átl’ḵa7tsem/Txwnéwu7ts/Howe Sound: 
https://oceanwatch.ca/howesound/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/OceanWatch-
HoweSoundReport2020-CC-ShorelineErosion.pdf 
 
Island Planner McCargar introduced the Shoreline Erosion and Sea Level Rise 
document:  
 The document is specific to the Howe Sound area and outlines storm surges, 
impacts of climate change on shoreline erosion as well as provides an extensive 
list of resources. The map illustrates the areas in Howe Sounds that are sensitive 
to sea level rise. 
Points from discussion included: 
 The importance of public education: it should sensitize people to what may be 
coming in the future and what may be mitigated; it is important to explain the 
problem in concrete terms and its projected effects on property owners. 
 In addition to sea level rise, other effects of climate change include more severe 
winter storms and storm surges that result in shoreline erosion. Thus, the 
importance of protecting the shoreline flora and fauna. In addition to beaches, 
bluffs may be compromised and fall into the ocean. 
 Climate change also has an impact on water supply and changing water tables, 
and can impact risk of forest fires on the islands. 
 
GM-LTC-2023-011 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee requests that staff prepare an 
annotation of the proposed amendments to Bylaws 153 and 154 that discloses the 
scientific findings of projected climate change effect that each of the proposed 
amendments is intended to mitigate, and other rationale for the amendment. 
CARRIED 
7.3 Business Case for Thormanby Island Foreshore Protection 
Island Planner McCargar explained this item was added to provide clarification to staff 
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Protection Project. Staff need direction on the scope of the project. The Planner 
outlined the currently funded projects for the LTC and potential timelines for 
completion of any new projects.  
There was extensive discussion on issues related to the Thormanby Island Foreshore 
Protection Project. Points included: 
 Issues on Thormanby have been lingering for many years. 
 Understanding the impacts of owners preserving their properties without 
causing deleterious impacts to the environment. 
 Community education component possibly a Community forum. 
 Recognizing the potentially complex geotechnical issues and non-conforming 
uses. 
 Regulation of uses. 
 Complexity of this project. 
 Vulnerability of the properties. 
 Approach Sechelt Nation on this issue. 
 Don’t want to see standing resolution lingering. 
 Interim way forward is addressing variance requests to deal with the issues on a 
case-by-case basis. 
 This is a huge and unique project. It existed before Islands Trust was 
established. 
 Concern about the size of the project for the LTC and whether there are 
resources to present a solution. 
 Desire for a site visit. 
 Encourage Thormanby residents to make a collective variance application. Start 
to determine where the owners want to go. 
 Useful to view historical aerial photos taken over time. 
 Have staff work with residents in a pre-application meeting to provide property 
owners with information on in the requirements of a Development Variance 
Permit (DVP) application. 
 Letter to property owners from staff proposing pre-application meeting. 
 Concern about appearing to sponsor a variance application when, in the end, it 
is the LTC that would be objectively voting on it. 
 
GM-LTC-2023-012 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to prepare and circulate 
to the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee a draft letter to the Affected Owners that 
addresses the need for them to make a collective variance application to bring the 
Affected Owners into compliance with relevant bylaws. 
CARRIED 

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8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 GM-SUB-2022.2 - Picante Community Holdings - 10% Lot Frontage Waiver Request - 
Staff Report 
Planner 2 Thomaidis introduced the staff report outlining a request for a 10% lot 
frontage waiver for application GM-SUB-2022.2. The waiver requested for two lots 
would enable alignment with existing zone boundaries and reduce the road construction 
required for road access to an adjacent lot. 
 
The applicant was present and indicated the staff report and its recommendations were 
consistent with the discussion he had had with Staff. The applicant addressed the 
following points and responded to trustee inquiries.  
A trustee reminded the LTC that the Cotton Bay area was not covered under the existing 
Official Community Plan. It was noted the following motion was a way of allowing these 
irregular lots to connect with roads without having to build out further. 
GM-LTC-2023-013 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that, per Local Government Act Section 512(2), the Gambier Island Local Trust 
Committee waive Regulation 8.6(1) Gambier LUB requirement to meet the minimum 
10% lot frontage on a highway, for “Proposed Lot 11” and the proposed “Community 
Lot” in the subdivision proposal sketch for GM-SUB-2022.2.  
CARRIED 
8.2 GM-DP-2020.2 Swain - Lot 28 Brigade Bay – Staff Report 
Planner 2 Baugh gave an overview of an application to infill a trench, construct three 
decks and remove trees located within DPA 2 (Brigade Bay Area) and DPA3 (Riparian 
Areas), initiated retroactively to bring the property into DP compliance. 
The applicant was in attendance and mentioned he would endeavour to work with the 
recommended suggestions of Islands Trust. 
Points raised by trustees included: 
 Concern about the impact of the deck sitting on a rock, and its viability 
considering sea level rise and storm surge concerns.  
o The applicant indicated the deck was 10’ x 10’, and positioned in a rocky 
area, in a pocket with little vegetation. The deck is non-permanent and 
could be removed to no detriment to the underlying vegetation. The worse 
storms do not come to where that deck is; the applicant was not concerned 
about it washing away. 
 Concern that the boathouse not be used as a sleeping cabin. 
o Applicant indicated his family had camped on the property for at least 
fifteen years; the boathouse is very open as a structure. Sleeping cabin 
would not be put there. 
GM-LTC-2023-014 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development 
Permit GM-DP-2020.2.  
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Chair Luckham called for a break at 12:40 pm, and recalled the meeting to order at 1:10 pm. 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS - none 
10. CORRESPONDENCE - none 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 Climate Change Mitigation and Adaptation 
The Local Trust Committee discussed background on inclusion of this topic as a standing 
item on the agenda. It was noted the topic often could be found within other agenda 
items. 
The LTC unanimously agreed to remove “Climate Change Mitigation and Adaptation” as 
a standing new business item from the regular agenda. 
11.2  Freshwater Sustainability Strategy – Aquifer Conceptualization Project and Groundwater 
Recharge Mapping Project 
A trustee inquired about the availability of a water sustainability report that was a Trust 
Council initiative that was to be available in March. As no further information was 
available at this meeting, the trustee planned to follow up with the Freshwater 
Specialist. 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated February 2023 
Received. 
A trustee reported on a point of information for the new trustees: Gambier has a Land 
Acquisition Fund to help future land acquisition in this Local Trust Area. It was a bequest 
over ten years ago from a local community member to support any kind of conservation 
project on Gambier.  
Sandy Beach on Keats is now a protected Island Trust Conservancy nature reserve. The 
nature reserve was transferred to the Islands Trust Conservancy as part of the District 
Lot 696 rezoning and subdivision application.  
12.2 Applications Report dated March 7, 2023 
Received. 
There was discussion of the application for the Land Plan Group and potential impact of 
that subdivision on the volume of applications and the work of Islands Trust. 
GM-LTC-2023-015 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to provide the LTC with a 
status report regarding GM-DVP-2002.1. 
CARRIED 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated January 2023 
Received. 

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12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received.  
12.5 First Nations Activities 
A Trustee noted they continue to work at different levels with Sechelt Nation, and 
hoped to interact with Squamish Nation. 
12.6 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
The website is updated on a regular basis with business items. Resources are limited. 
 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Active Projects Report dated March 7, 2023 
Received. 
13.2 Future Projects Report dated March 7, 2023 
Received. 
 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 10:00 am at Keats 
Camp – Chartroom – Keats Island, BC 
15. CLOSED MEETING – none  
 
16. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:39 pm. 
 
 
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Peter Luckham, Chair        
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Diane Corbett, Recorder