Islands Trust Council community information meeting, March 14, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 14: acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today uh in locations across the traditional

[0:00:04] Voice 14: territory of coach saylor's people i'm tim peterson elected on

[0:00:09] Voice 14: liskety island and chair of the galliano local

[0:00:12] Voice 9: trust committee with me today as lisa gabbro and

[0:00:15] Voice 9: ben maberly oh i'm going to see paul brant has joined us as well our regional director

[0:00:20] Voice 14: and

[0:00:22] Voice 14: And so together, the three of us make up Galeano Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:28] Voice 12: And this is terrible.

[0:00:33] Voice 12: I'm going to gap on.

[0:00:35] Voice 12: Kim Stockdale.

[0:00:36] Voice 12: Kim Stockdale is our wonderful staff person here today.

[0:00:41] Voice 10: Thank

[0:00:42] Voice 12: you very much.

[0:00:45] Voice 12: And please note that we're recording

[0:00:48] Voice 14: and live streaming the meeting today.

[0:00:50] Voice 14: day and uh just

[0:00:54] Voice 11: be advised that's what's going on and anything else i need to mention before we get

[0:01:01] Voice 11: started i

[0:01:04] Voice 14: think that uh the only other thing to add is just to remember that uh when there's

[0:01:10] Voice 14: town hall sections just to speak respectfully to the issues not personalities and that for staff

[0:01:18] Voice 14: in particular this is the workplace and we have an expectation of civility and treating

[0:01:23] Voice 14: each other like good human beings so thank you everybody and welcome um our first item

[0:01:30] Voice 14: is the approval of the

[0:01:31] Voice 9: agenda trustees is there any additions or amendments to the agenda

[0:01:38] Voice 12: i

[0:01:39] Voice 7: just have the addition of three pieces of correspondence that we received from tahira

[0:01:44] Voice 7: up okay that

[0:01:45] Voice 7: is pieces of course excellent

[0:01:46] Voice 11: and trustees are you satisfied to add those

[0:01:50] Voice 14: yeah okay so by consent we'll adopt the agenda as amended and then our next item is trustee reports

[0:02:00] Voice 14: local trustees lisa all

[0:02:03] Voice 12: right i hope you all can hear me um the past month's been quite busy

[0:02:08] Voice 12: uh last week we attended trust council a few notable items that came out of that meeting

[0:02:13] Voice 12: for the final approval of the 2023-24 budget.

[0:02:19] Voice 12: This was a challenging budget year,

[0:02:22] Voice 12: as the province of D.C. approved a new collective agreement

[0:02:27] Voice 12: that resulted in salary increases outside of Trust Council's control.

[0:02:31] Voice 12: Similar to what all SGI communities faced,

[0:02:36] Voice 12: Island Trust was also affected by high inflation,

[0:02:39] Voice 12: strange due to labour shortages and managing staff retention.

[0:02:45] Voice 12: Even taxes low and consideration for funding an IT program, trust program,

[0:02:52] Voice 12: made our decisions difficult and challenging. It's true that keeping taxation as low as possible

[0:03:01] Voice 12: or officially by drawing on a surplus fund may prove to be compounding issues to keep

[0:03:07] Voice 12: taxation down in the next budget cycle. Notable motions

[0:03:12] Voice 12: that were asked were the establishment

[0:03:15] Voice 12: of an accessibility committee. More than 900,000 British Columbians live with a disability.

[0:03:21] Voice 12: New government regulations under the Accessible British Columbia Act

[0:03:26] Voice 12: seeks to remove barriers and create accessible standards throughout the province.

[0:03:32] Voice 12: The

[0:03:33] Voice 4: province of BC mandated

[0:03:34] Voice 12: that more than 750 public sector organizations form accessibility

[0:03:38] Voice 12: to share. Organizations include school districts, post-secondary institutions, public libraries,

[0:03:48] Voice 12: and your friendly neighborhood local government. Allen's Trust is included. A motion was passed

[0:03:55] Voice 12: to form a reconciliation learning group. This learning group will support the development

[0:04:00] Voice 12: of positive and productive relationships with First Nation leaders and will culturally

[0:04:06] Voice 12: The learning group will be an effective means for sharing information, increasing understanding

[0:04:12] Voice 12: of their reconciliation work on behalf of the Yarmouth Trust, anticipated outcomes would

[0:04:17] Voice 12: include updating the reconciliation action plan, and staff expect Trust Council to receive

[0:04:24] Voice 12: a number of requests from First Nations, Trust Council as well, sorry, bylaw compliance officer

[0:04:36] Voice 12: made a presentation on bylaw enforcement policies and practices. He was accompanied by presentations

[0:04:44] Voice 12: from the VC office of the Ombudsperson and the Attorney General's Office. Ms. Hansel

[0:04:52] Voice 12: adopted a motion to request an independent review of bylaw enforcement policies and practices

[0:04:59] Voice 12: by the VC office of Ombudsperson. This is to seek advice around best practices to already

[0:05:06] Voice 12: strengthened our current policies present presentations gave an overview of our firm

[0:05:12] Voice 12: and help verify um the trust council's role about the season i'd like to thank the staff for the

[0:05:23] Voice 12: work uh putting in putting this agenda package together thank you thank you and that's all for

[0:05:29] Voice 12: me for now yes yeah thanks yeah welcome everybody uh

[0:05:37] Voice 11: thanks

[0:05:37] Voice 12: for coming so lisa's covered off on a

[0:05:41] Voice 12: couple of subjects that i was going to talk about um you know this is a budget trust council meeting

[0:05:48] Voice 12: so uh that's the bulk of the budget uh getting that approved i you know i think we've got to

[0:05:54] Voice 12: thank the work of the financial planning committee for their work and the recommendations coming

[0:05:58] Voice 12: forward to uh keep the increase as low as possible and um you know there's going to be a um a pull-off

[0:06:06] Voice 12: action with the financial planning committee and the trust council to try and figure out how the

[0:06:12] Voice 12: budget process can be um made better for that the better way to put it um so that's going to be

[0:06:21] Voice 12: going on ongoing into that into the next trust council meeting and we'll get some more information

[0:06:25] Voice 12: on that um the ombudsman review which is i think a long time coming um trust council also dropped

[0:06:35] Voice 12: this request for a training authority um that's been bouncing back and forth with trust council

[0:06:41] Voice 12: for a number of years and um was put to bed at this council meeting a couple other things we

[0:06:49] Voice 12: a great um delegation um a lady from denman island i believe we talked about human rights for housing

[0:06:57] Voice 12: it's very compelling um i think it struck home with a lot of us so just sort of the position

[0:07:03] Voice 12: that people are in um in relation to for the government regulation and this need for this

[0:07:09] Voice 12: need for housing um so i i was really um that was sort of highlighted the meeting for me to hear

[0:07:15] Voice 12: that that person speaks um

[0:07:19] Voice 11: i

[0:07:21] Voice 12: attended the something about finance forum yesterday

[0:07:23] Voice 12: um during that meeting there's always a multitude of things housing is always one of the issues this

[0:07:30] Voice 12: is a common theme it's going to be a common thing probably was a common theme through

[0:07:33] Voice 12: to here and james four years and uh i don't suppose it's going away but there's a lot of

[0:07:41] Voice 12: discussion too around um the relationship between world law violence and crb regulation

[0:07:49] Voice 12: and the hurdles that some

[0:07:54] Voice 8: not just uh people building houses but especially commercial

[0:07:59] Voice 12: businesses it's

[0:08:01] Voice 8: becoming one of the hottest topics at any meeting

[0:08:05] Voice 12: these days is is how

[0:08:07] Voice 12: regulation is effectively killing local businesses. If you look on Galliana, we have

[0:08:15] Voice 12: five restaurants that aren't open, battling their way through this regulatory system.

[0:08:24] Voice 12: So the goal is to sit down with the CRE and to find out why this is happening

[0:08:32] Voice 12: and what the, whether there's solutions to it.

[0:08:37] Voice 12: So that'll be an interesting conversation.

[0:08:40] Voice 12: The other thing is the Southern Gulf Islands Forum,

[0:08:43] Voice 12: you know, they talk about the freighter anchorages as well.

[0:08:46] Voice 12: Anybody who's been around in the boats,

[0:08:48] Voice 12: I mean, you know, amongst the islands and that,

[0:08:50] Voice 12: have noticed that there's freighters anchored everywhere.

[0:08:53] Voice 12: And why they increase, who's in charge,

[0:08:57] Voice 12: it's the Port Authority that's in charge.

[0:08:59] Voice 12: but you know there's a lot of concerns. If you look at Trincomalee, you know just up at

[0:09:05] Voice 12: Trincomalee there's routinely six freighters anchored up there. You think well that's not

[0:09:09] Voice 12: a big deal that this boat's anchored but if you can imagine the size of that anchor plowing around

[0:09:16] Voice 12: on the ocean bed down there there's a lot of damage being done. Some of these are in harvesting

[0:09:22] Voice 12: seeing grounds of the local first nations so there's a lot of concerns there um so that's

[0:09:28] Voice 12: that was pretty much it for me um yeah nice to get that financial trust council out of the way

[0:09:36] Voice 12: thank you trustees um now it's time for the chair's report i'll just add a little bit um to

[0:09:46] Voice 12: the to the report about the trust council meeting last week um trustee mabry was talking a bit about

[0:09:53] Voice 12: the the long-term planning in terms of changing the budgetary process so

[0:09:59] Voice 14: as a lot of people might

[0:10:00] Voice 14: know there's now a governance committee of trust council and uh the governance committee one of

[0:10:06] Voice 14: the things that it

[0:10:07] Voice 12: is uh taking as a high priority is the recommendation to develop more long-term

[0:10:13] Voice 12: corporate planning which

[0:10:16] Voice 14: is more of a phrase than that i think um that the corporate part of this

[0:10:22] Voice 14: is the thing to really emphasize but more of a long-term alignment of strategic planning

[0:10:29] Voice 14: and budgetary so that we kind of have a better idea early in the term what we're going to try

[0:10:34] Voice 14: to accomplish during

[0:10:35] Voice 3: the four years and how we're going to fund it more really more looking at like

[0:10:41] Voice 3: a four-year strategic and financial plan that is that is aligned and joined up and so that's one

[0:10:49] Voice 3: the things the governance committee is going to be working on and maybe by next budget time that

[0:10:55] Voice 3: will be in place maybe not but we'll see it's going to be a lot of work and it's a new direction

[0:11:00] Voice 3: for trust council to try and really think about aligning those two major uh parts of what trust

[0:11:08] Voice 3: council does i'll also add that the policy statement amendment project um charter review

[0:11:15] Voice 3: view was approved by council and we haven't seen the new draft yet but it will reflect

[0:11:21] Voice 3: um the 32 resolutions of trust council between the june and september trust council meetings last

[0:11:28] Voice 3: year so

[0:11:28] Voice 12: i expect there will be some substantial changes um from the previous draft and

[0:11:35] Voice 3: also the

[0:11:36] Voice 3: timeline for public consultation the request of the trust programs committee is to have a

[0:11:42] Voice 3: a six-month window between the draft coming to trustees and the committee and then coming back

[0:11:49] Voice 3: to council for further review and potentially approval so that there's a longer timeline to

[0:11:57] Voice 3: really get out into community and really get some feedback and

[0:12:00] Voice 14: really try to not do what happened

[0:12:04] Voice 14: with the last draft which was to make people feel like it people a lot of people felt it was rushed

[0:12:09] Voice 14: and that the

[0:12:10] Voice 3: consultation wasn't done well

[0:12:13] Voice 14: and that the community wasn't listening to.

[0:12:16] Voice 3: And so we really want to try and avoid that

[0:12:17] Voice 3: if at all possible this time.

[0:12:21] Voice 12: Really positive thing that happened

[0:12:23] Voice 12: is late in last term,

[0:12:26] Voice 12: Islands Trust finally got a seat

[0:12:28] Voice 12: at the DFO Shellfish Agriculture Advisory Committee.

[0:12:34] Voice 12: It's been

[0:12:34] Voice 3: something that's been a long time coming

[0:12:37] Voice 3: coming and uh they know there's a lot of critics of the advocacy or advocacy and the secretariat

[0:12:45] Voice 3: function of trust council but having attended the baines uh channel lambert or bain sound

[0:12:51] Voice 3: lambert channel forum a few times and being involved with um other trustees and other

[0:12:57] Voice 3: groups are really really kind of putting the pressure on dfo to get some accountability

[0:13:02] Voice 3: ability around all the ghost gear and uh and why why is it the taxpayer should pay for the cleanup

[0:13:09] Voice 3: of this gear when the people that are profiting are not paying for it so i'm really hoping that

[0:13:14] Voice 3: there's there's going to be some action on that and it's a really positive step that we now have

[0:13:20] Voice 3: uh uh my co-trustee on the skiddy michaela laroney is is the pointy for that and uh

[0:13:26] Voice 3: David

[0:13:27] Voice 12: Graham is the alternate. So I'm really happy that we finally have a seat at that table. I cannot hurt.

[0:13:36] Voice 12: With that,

[0:13:37] Voice 9: I'm just going to conclude my chair's report and turn it over to our electoral area director, Paul Brent,

[0:13:45] Voice 14: if you'd like to.

[0:13:46] Voice 14: uh sure i'll keep this short

[0:13:49] Voice 12: our focus yeah the principal focus southern gulf islands is housing

[0:13:55] Voice 11: and the

[0:13:55] Voice 12: next one is housing and the next one is housing so that's where i am focused right now

[0:14:01] Voice 12: and i'm also focused on another side of housing is when we talk about affordability people have

[0:14:06] Voice 12: to have jobs and as ben was talking about we have a problem with southern gulf islands it's

[0:14:13] Voice 12: uh relates to uh crd does its building inspection so yeah i'm taking the blame for

[0:14:21] Voice 12: some of the problems we're having it's a complex and costly building code we got problems with

[0:14:27] Voice 12: island health so um cre and the islands trust and the province through our mla adam olson

[0:14:37] Voice 12: we're going to go at this collectively and so collectively is a good idea

[0:14:44] Voice 12: um yeah we're just we're we're threatening businesses we're threatening people with

[0:14:48] Voice 12: bankruptcy and we're impeding employment on these assignments we've got an affordability problem

[0:14:55] Voice 12: and on the one hand we're blocking it with how we do our building inspection on the other hand

[0:15:02] Voice 12: And we're deprived of people of incomes in order to have.

[0:15:05] Voice 12: So we're really not working very well.

[0:15:07] Voice 12: And so my job in tandem with Lisa and Ben and others and Adam Olson is going to be to change that culture.

[0:15:19] Voice 12: Make it so that CRD, at least I have some control over it, is out there helping people, not putting up barriers.

[0:15:28] Voice 12: if there are barriers in the building code the attitude is we're building inspection we're here

[0:15:34] Voice 12: to help you rather than to be a barrier a regulatory barrier very frustrating but that's

[0:15:41] Voice 12: what i'll be working on with these characters thank you paul

[0:15:49] Voice 14: that's that's great and our next

[0:15:52] Voice 14: section is moving into town hall and questions we've got a 20-minute schedule and uh i just

[0:15:59] Voice 14: want to be respectful of uh everybody getting a chance to speak so if i could just have an initial

[0:16:07] Voice 14: show of hands one

[0:16:10] Voice 12: two three four five six seven eight okay

[0:16:13] Voice 14: so um unless a whole bunch more people

[0:16:17] Voice 14: people stick up their hands if if you can if you all keep it within about uh uh three-ish minutes

[0:16:25] Voice 14: then we'll be just

[0:16:26] Voice 3: fine and we'll run over time at the same time I don't want to like restrict

[0:16:30] Voice 3: anyone from speaking but I also want us to keep on moving so I'm going to start on this end of the

[0:16:37] Voice 14: room today

[0:16:38] Voice 10: if

[0:16:39] Voice 14: I could just stop you for a moment um I've been hearing that the streaming it's very

[0:16:44] Voice 14: difficult to hear the town hall speakers speaking and i don't need to have to shout as great your

[0:16:49] Voice 14: voice but um the louder you can speak or if you would like to come close to the microphone

[0:16:54] Voice 12: then the people at home watching or the recording please go ahead please okay

[0:16:59] Voice 10: yeah my name is john

[0:17:00] Voice 10: nelson i'm a full-time resident of wise island on a lot 25. um this is regarding the last two pages

[0:17:08] Voice 10: of today's agenda i just wanted to thank uh bylaw manager mr dingman for his recommendations for

[0:17:13] Voice 10: wise island i would like to quickly clarify and state a few points in reference to his report

[0:17:20] Voice 10: my main concern is the 7.5 meter setback from the sea i have printed an aerial view of my property

[0:17:26] Voice 10: i would hope it is well documented that half of my properties within this setback

[0:17:31] Voice 10: does not work more fair small wise island properties need a full review and sensible

[0:17:36] Voice 10: reduction in these distances or certain structures i also think that suggesting all property owners

[0:17:42] Voice 10: could go with the EDP process, the comply with originally implemented unworkable setbacks

[0:17:47] Voice 10: is an unfair option, both from a financial standpoint.

[0:17:54] Voice 10: It seems that the Islands Trust has spent a considerable amount of resources in water

[0:17:58] Voice 10: taxis, by-law enforcement, fines, meetings, and forced stress on homeowners, all based

[0:18:04] Voice 10: on someone's complaint for dislike of solar panels, and I am quite confused by this and

[0:18:10] Voice 10: how long this has progressed.

[0:18:11] Voice 10: I don't think there's a greener or more environmentally friendly power supply than solar.

[0:18:16] Voice 10: I understand that Biola must act on complaints,

[0:18:19] Voice 12: but it must be taken into consideration why this island has no hydro-connected power.

[0:18:24] Voice 12: Solar panels are a necessity.

[0:18:28] Voice 10: I would like to add there's not one solar array that would be located in the marine splash zone for the obvious reasons sea water and expensive solar arrays do not mix well.

[0:18:41] Voice 10: some owners have unfortunately started to remove trees and others are contemplating trees

[0:18:47] Voice 10: to get more sunlight to panels which i think is more harmful to the environment than being

[0:18:52] Voice 10: sited and set back my request is the last resolution should be adopted in the

[0:18:58] Voice 10: terminus point one this would be most desirable further bylaw enforcement on these vital

[0:19:03] Voice 10: structures to just use a very valuable resources and i would also finally ask to revert the gambit

[0:19:10] Voice 10: to refer the gambler by the 114 for passage island which was previously written to the apc

[0:19:17] Voice 12: for applicability to lands island again thank you for that and on this end yes please oh thank you

[0:19:28] Voice 12: uh chairman i would like to raise the uh question of probity for a

[0:19:35] Voice 10: trustee with a known or perceived

[0:19:38] Voice 10: conflict of interest to introduce a motion and then have to recuse themselves

[0:19:45] for the

[0:19:48] Voice 12: discussion it creates a situation where a motion mover cannot participate

[0:19:54] Voice 12: in the following necessary dialogue dealing with necessity, terms, conditions, and other

[0:20:02] Voice 12: rationale.

[0:20:03] Voice 12: It leaves a motion open to be subverted.

[0:20:08] Voice 12: So I don't know what the situation is.

[0:20:12] Voice 12: If the motion is necessary to change a policy, a resolution, or

[0:20:20] Voice 3: whatever, then should not

[0:20:23] Voice 3: a trustee without a conflict of interest be

[0:20:31] Voice 12: introducing that motion. And secondly, if

[0:20:38] Voice 12: there

[0:20:39] Voice 10: is a motion, I

[0:20:43] Voice 12: would expect that there should be a staff assessment of the replacement

[0:20:49] Voice 12: of any standing resolutions, et cetera,

[0:20:53] Voice 12: with Island Trust policies and procedures

[0:20:56] Voice 12: to ensure consistency and resource impacts.

[0:21:01] Voice 12: If any, it can be just a simple checklist

[0:21:05] Voice 12: or it could be something in detail,

[0:21:07] Voice 12: but let's ensure that changes are going to be made.

[0:21:10] Voice 12: They are going to be consistent,

[0:21:12] Voice 12: especially with the new trust policy statement

[0:21:17] Voice 12: in the offer.

[0:21:18] Voice 12: thank you

[0:21:19] Voice 14: thank you for that and uh i'm gonna uh especially thank you for reminding the ltc to take

[0:21:26] Voice 14: advantage of staff advice um that's an important thing first i'll remember as far as the conflict

[0:21:31] Voice 14: of interest i'm not sure if you regret the last meeting uh did address that um when there's a

[0:21:38] Voice 14: conflict that's um that's uh perceived for real it's up to the the trustee to make the

[0:21:45] Voice 14: determination um we we can't uh assume guilt um it's not function of this ltc but solely the

[0:21:55] Voice 14: trustee to make the determination of what's appropriate for them um

[0:21:59] Voice 3: in terms of uh of uh

[0:22:03] Voice 3: participation in motions so um this is a kind of a new area for island stress it's certainly

[0:22:08] Voice 3: new for me i've sought advice uh from staff and then they've they've gotten

[0:22:13] Voice 14: some legal advice and

[0:22:15] Voice 14: And so I'll just

[0:22:16] Voice 14: reiterate that it's not the LTC's function

[0:22:20] Voice 14: to act upon any of that.

[0:22:23] Voice 14: So

[0:22:24] Voice 3: I hear your concerns and in terms of the process,

[0:22:29] Voice 3: I also hear what you're saying,

[0:22:31] Voice 14: but again, it's not up to the LTC

[0:22:33] Voice 14: to make that determination, so.

[0:22:37] Voice 14: And moving this way.

[0:22:40] Voice 12: Yes, sir.

[0:22:41] Voice 12: Okay. I'm here on two parts. Partially on my behalf and partially on

[0:22:47] Voice 10: that of Bower Keepers,

[0:22:48] Voice 10: who is on the table today. So I'm just going to read something from Bower Keeper. He said,

[0:22:54] Voice 10: I can go to the LTC meeting. They need to be told that the groundwater sustainability

[0:22:59] Voice 10: bylaws

[0:23:00] Voice 14: should be stopped at first because of the double falsehood that one elevated

[0:23:08] Voice 14: preferential will recharge areas.

[0:23:11] Voice 14: are all critical, and two, that all the large forest lots need to be in

[0:23:18] Voice 10: a DPA to protect to recharge on the small elevated portion of the property.

[0:23:24] Voice 10: In the water supply field, the critical recharge areas are correctly defined as a subset of preferential recharge areas, which are in...

[0:23:37] Voice 10: Sorry, I can barely read this.

[0:23:50] Voice 12: Sorry. Okay, there it is.

[0:23:53] Voice 12: um subset of the preferential recharge areas which are endangered by industrial or agricultural

[0:24:00] Voice 12: contamination or else are simply unable to meet potable water demands for downslope resident

[0:24:05] Voice 12: neighborhoods most of galliano has no critical recharge areas because of very light maximum

[0:24:12] Voice 12: population density and absence of contamination issues since the bylaw

[0:24:17] Voice 14: would prohibit cutting

[0:24:19] Voice 14: cutting more than five trees of 20 centimeters diameter

[0:24:22] Voice 14: per hectare per year.

[0:24:25] Voice 14: This transparency, this is a transparently

[0:24:29] Voice 14: unscathed attempt to regulate tree harvesting

[0:24:32] Voice 14: by

[0:24:32] Voice 12: improperly taking advantage of the local public concern

[0:24:35] Voice 12: about the water supply while collecting DPA appliance fees.

[0:24:40] Voice 12: As most of Galliano's elevated recharge areas

[0:24:44] Voice 12: are typically overstocked,

[0:24:45] Voice 12: second growth Douglas fir plantations,

[0:24:47] Voice 12: they need serious

[0:24:48] Voice 10: selective thinning to reduce wildfire risk and increase the proportion of

[0:24:53] Voice 10: precipitation which penetrates the ground

[0:24:55] Voice 12: improved forest management cannot be guided by restricted

[0:25:00] Voice 12: dpa regulations so that is from our keeper i would like to add to that a thought experiment

[0:25:07] Voice 12: is if you think of if the entire island was just five acre parcels all zoned the exact same that

[0:25:16] Voice 12: that those proposed by-laws wouldn't have any effect at all.

[0:25:20] Voice 12: So the more dense an area,

[0:25:23] Voice 12: the

[0:25:23] Voice 14: more the activity on that area affects the groundwater.

[0:25:27] Voice 14: So having the groundwater not

[0:25:31] Voice 12: affect more dense areas

[0:25:32] Voice 12: and heavily affect the other areas

[0:25:36] Voice 12: seems kind of a backward way to do it.

[0:25:38] Voice 12: The other thought of this is I watched the meeting last time

[0:25:44] Voice 12: which

[0:25:45] Voice 14: they couldn't be here for um there's concern about the way forestry lots are being

[0:25:54] Voice 12: benefited by then making votes or not refusing

[0:25:59] Voice 14: themselves to those votes

[0:26:02] Voice 14: but there's the same push that is trying to reduce housing on forestry lots

[0:26:09] Voice 14: is also trying to stop forestry on forestry lots so people are saying that the forestry lot owners

[0:26:16] Voice 14: are

[0:26:16] Voice 12: buying forestry lots so that they can reach the money out of the situation but all the well

[0:26:24] Voice 12: everything applying to forestry we happen to be an exception from the forestry lots for the

[0:26:29] Voice 12: groundwater because we don't have any groundwater friction in our area to speak of but our neighbors

[0:26:35] Voice 12: are not and all of their groundwater is only usable by them but they still have to pay a fee

[0:26:41] Voice 12: to have um all these studies and that doesn't seem a fair approach of the way of doing groundwater

[0:26:48] Voice 12: although it is a very important thing to be protected so i'm not against regulation of

[0:26:52] Voice 12: groundwater i just think the way it is thank you thank you for that and continuing this way

[0:26:59] Voice 12: and then back here okay yes sir yeah uh one two nine

[0:27:08] Voice 8: well uh i think that galliano is really uh

[0:27:14] Voice 8: a testing ground for the future uh because of these disparate interest groups the poorest group

[0:27:22] Voice 8: the residential group and the trust and the idea of the trust the developing world has

[0:27:32] Voice 8: run roughshod over the environment and indigenous cultures. So it has been here.

[0:27:41] Voice 8: Opportunism is a feature of capitalistic society. It is what turns an island into a mine

[0:27:49] Voice 8: as Texada and a province into a woodlot or a power plug as in Site C or BC. It is obvious

[0:27:59] Voice 8: It is obvious that this capital centric system is not sustainable.

[0:28:04] Voice 8: Climate change, social and economic instability are results, as it is here.

[0:28:10] Voice 8: The future to be sustainable will not look like the past.

[0:28:16] Voice 8: Environmental sensitivity, resilience husbandry, risk mitigation are all new expectations.

[0:28:26] Voice 8: expectations. They have a cost all the way to opportunity. Everyone cannot be happy.

[0:28:38] Voice 8: The limitation of the use of land is the power of zoning. The forest zone has changed the most,

[0:28:47] Voice 8: both for the buyers and the community. The sustainability of humanity is clearly dependent

[0:28:55] Voice 8: on the health of the biosphere.

[0:28:59] Voice 8: The forest is that wild or natural zone here.

[0:29:06] Voice 8: This group of owners has the most conflict with the community plan.

[0:29:11] Voice 8: Eight open files out of ten.

[0:29:15] Voice 8: The community expects more cooperation with its plan.

[0:29:20] Voice 8: It does not seem to be forthcoming.

[0:29:25] Voice 4: The

[0:29:25] Voice 8: files have been open awhile.

[0:29:28] Voice 8: why a durable two-way owner-built and maintained service roadway for owners and others beyond

[0:29:38] Voice 8: and services is in the plan clustered housing and ecological sensitivity is in the plan too clearly

[0:29:50] Voice 8: cooperation has not been in the budget of most forest one zone owners or there would be more

[0:29:57] Voice 8: we're rezoning.

[0:30:00] Voice 8: Whose happiness are the trustees here for?

[0:30:04] Voice 8: The community through its plan

[0:30:05] Voice 8: or individual owner and interest groups

[0:30:10] Voice 8: with whom they have sympathy?

[0:30:13] Voice 8: The first is honourable, the second not.

[0:30:18] Voice 8: Opportunists will always be unhappy

[0:30:21] Voice 8: when their grand plans are not supportive.

[0:30:27] Voice 8: Free roads and services to forest estates

[0:30:31] Voice 8: is not in the plan.

[0:30:33] Voice 8: Cooked lots, easement only access and mixed zoning development like Crystal Mountain

[0:30:40] Voice 8: are not in the plan. For the firemen to carry a ring of keys is not in the plan. It is not the

[0:30:51] Voice 8: job of a local trustee to provide affordable housing personally or to reconcile the injustice

[0:30:57] Voice 8: justice of a colonial history let those with proper authority make those changes do not support

[0:31:06] Voice 8: motions that are within the limits of and from sorry do support the motions that are within the

[0:31:14] Voice 8: limits of and from the authority of the community plan do not support any others process only

[0:31:28] Voice 8: the applications from the forest zone owners that rigorously adhere to the community plan

[0:31:37] Voice 8: say no to all including crystal mountain in terms of affordable housing there are now expired

[0:31:47] Voice 8: permits for temporary use permits of all the vacation rentals investigate if they're still

[0:31:55] Voice 8: renting and if they are tell them they can't and see how many turn into affordable rental housing

[0:32:04] Voice 8: that's a direct possibility thank you next jane

[0:32:12] Voice 7: wolverton highland road i'll just make a couple

[0:32:15] Voice 7: of brief comments one um regarding the budget i'm quite concerned at the uh move by trust council to

[0:32:24] Voice 7: hold taxes down and we only have to look at vancouver that have to bump up their taxes by

[0:32:31] Voice 7: over 10 because they've been held down artificially so i i really uh hope that in the next budget

[0:32:38] Voice 7: cycle that'll be taken into consideration because i i would hate to see us go along with two percent

[0:32:44] Voice 7: two percent and then suddenly we have to pay 15 because we really need the services that the trust

[0:32:50] Voice 7: is providing we need the staff you know why have a trust if we don't have the staff to support so

[0:32:58] Voice 7: that's this is my comment on that I was concerned about the active page this month which includes

[0:33:06] Voice 7: a notice of motion as opposed to a motion that has been passed so I think that I would caution

[0:33:13] Voice 7: the trustees about including notices of motion in their trustee report in the active page because

[0:33:19] Voice 7: it does confuse uh the community about whether this motion actually has passed so uh that was

[0:33:27] Voice 7: one thing the second thing and then i also just briefly about the

[0:33:33] Voice 7: groundwater sustainability i would like to see this move forward except uh with with the exception

[0:33:39] Voice 7: of clause p uh which i do not believe uh should be included and uh that clause states that

[0:33:49] Voice 7: land owned by a person with federal indigenous status living in their traditional territory

[0:33:54] Voice 7: with proof of indigenous family lineage would that's the clause would not require a development

[0:34:02] Voice 7: permit for development in the groundwater recharge area and um just to comment on the

[0:34:09] Voice 7: groundwater recharge areas uh and and valley's comment about being unable to cut more than five

[0:34:15] Voice 7: trees in a year tree cutting is allowed it's just you have to have a plan it has to be looked at uh

[0:34:22] Voice 7: if it's in the recharge area it doesn't mean that development will never occur in those areas it

[0:34:27] Voice 7: means that it needs to be taken into account how it affects not only that property but other

[0:34:33] Voice 7: properties in the community thank you thank

[0:34:37] Voice 12: you for that we're going back here

[0:34:40] Voice 12: nope uh moving this away yes please um

[0:34:45] Voice 7: i had a couple of people of course once i wrote

[0:34:48] Voice 7: this december regarding significant concerns around transparency process

[0:34:53] Voice 7: um they weren't included as an oversight into the previous period so sorry so i have included them

[0:34:59] Voice 7: in the agenda today, but I will just note the recent letter I wrote this week, just in case

[0:35:07] Voice 7: it doesn't get included in the next one. I have an issue with the way new business is brought to

[0:35:12] Voice 7: monthly meetings. Trustees are given the opportunity to include new business when the draft agenda is

[0:35:16] Voice 7: presented to the LTC a couple weeks before it's presented to the public. The importance of a

[0:35:22] Voice 7: trustee including any new business items to the agenda before the actual meeting is to ensure that

[0:35:26] Voice 7: the public as an opportunity to consider the business being presented since december trustee

[0:35:31] Voice 7: maverly has presented new business at the beginning of meetings i would not take issue with

[0:35:35] Voice 7: this except in all cases very significant new business was presented allowing for no initial

[0:35:40] Voice 7: public input before the lpc undertook action on the demos again this in itself wouldn't be such

[0:35:47] Voice 7: a problem if the two remaining trustees either requested that further information be procured

[0:35:52] Voice 7: before proceeding that a detailed explanation was presented to the public, informing the community

[0:35:57] Voice 7: of the LTC's pre-existing knowledge on this topic, or that the motion be tabled until the next

[0:36:03] Voice 7: meeting, thereby giving the public and the LTC an opportunity to digest and inform the information

[0:36:09] Voice 7: and develop commentary, which therefore informs our public representatives the collective opinion

[0:36:14] Voice 7: of the proposal. I believe adding

[0:36:16] Voice 7: significant new business, yet only the beginning of a meeting,

[0:36:18] Voice 7: is not respectful of transparency and public engagement i ask that the trustees adding new

[0:36:23] Voice 7: business and more importantly those voting on it consider the ramifications to public trust

[0:36:28] Voice 7: and participation i also have concerns about bylaw deferral on wise island all bylaw files

[0:36:34] Voice 7: save one were opened due to public complaint by deferring bylaw enforcement on wise there

[0:36:39] Voice 7: is a possibility of setting a precedent for just deferring bylaws rather than complying with them

[0:36:43] Voice 7: bylaws were created for a reason often this reason benefits either the community or the

[0:36:48] Voice 7: environment these individuals could apply for a development permit that is a possibility that

[0:36:53] Voice 7: it's not there isn't a solution development permits are for the community better planning

[0:36:57] Voice 7: rather than an individual allowing the individual individual an opportunity just to hack in and set

[0:37:03] Voice 7: its stairs or pour concrete into sensitive foreshore areas or installing a giant solar

[0:37:08] Voice 7: panel in a neighbor's view there is the opportunity for discussion and protection

[0:37:12] Voice 7: of sensitive ecosystems rather than the wild wild west mentality which this lcc seems more inclined

[0:37:18] Voice 7: to embrace than others i would also ask that you refrain from spending public money on a limited

[0:37:23] Voice 7: project such as the proposed wise island file overview but rather something that can benefit

[0:37:27] Voice 7: the entire community such as the coastal double square protection or shoreline model protection

[0:37:32] Voice 7: by law also engaging with the community around setting projects can be very informative perhaps

[0:37:37] Voice 7: only holding a community event that provides an opportunity for the public to offer insight

[0:37:41] Voice 7: as to what project could be of interest would be more informative for the ltc

[0:37:45] Voice 7: see um that was my recent letter then i had just notes from quick was i

[0:37:50] Voice 7: fully support the

[0:37:51] Voice 7: groundwater bylaws it's a scientific approach to protect our um informed development and protect

[0:37:57] Voice 7: our groundwater and also i did have issues with the quorum aspect of the tree of the tree cutting

[0:38:04] Voice 7: that adam wilson called with a non-public meeting and a meeting with adam wilson tonight to discuss

[0:38:10] Voice 7: that and um i'm very dismayed that the tree cutting development permit failed at trust

[0:38:15] Voice 7: council 24-2 i welcome the opportunity to care of trustees rationale at some point for voting

[0:38:21] Voice 7: against this important bylaw thank you thank

[0:38:25] Voice 14: you for that uh continuing this way uh sir in the

[0:38:30] Voice 14: middle and then i'll

[0:38:31] Voice 12: get you in the back you in the middle there my

[0:38:34] Voice 10: name is george first i'd like

[0:38:37] Voice 10: to welcome our new chair to galliano island and welcome back our planner dark hill great to see

[0:38:45] Voice 10: you um i would just like to speak strongly in favor of the yellow house application i think

[0:38:56] Voice 10: arts and arts events are incredibly important to the culture and the health of our island

[0:39:05] Voice 10: and i would like to recommend that you waive some of the fee or all of the fee

[0:39:14] Voice 10: for their temporary use permit because i think it's a community

[0:39:20] Voice 14: resource thank you thank you for that and uh the best of my knowledge executive committee

[0:39:28] Voice 14: has agreed to uh uh sponsor that those fees i believe that's correct is that

[0:39:34] Voice 14: correct yes

[0:39:36] Voice 11: fully

[0:39:36] Voice 14: covered uh yes sir in the back

[0:39:45] Voice 11: can i ask

[0:39:47] Voice 12: everyone out to be a little bit why we're having trouble

[0:39:49] Voice 12: especially so though it's possible to hear from the stream thank you go ahead

[0:39:56] So I'm one of the owners of this very large 68, which we have selected many years ago.

[0:40:07] It's a big beaver pond, which is in fact a source of gas.

[0:40:15] One of the questions I have, we have two water life systems.

[0:40:23] How does that

[0:40:24] Voice 11: in any way conflict with this water method?

[0:40:27] Voice 11: We've not been notified in any way about it.

[0:40:29] Voice 11: to me it's a question you know what if i don't try to say we

[0:40:35] Voice 8: can take millions of gallons out of it

[0:40:38] Voice 8: how do we have at the moment we've considered things in the past like

[0:40:42] Voice 8: growing garlic on a scale and ben knows about them and i'm just wondering if this is a question for

[0:40:51] Voice 8: the staff basically in that same way about how that affects people or like the

[0:40:58] Voice 12: rest of the

[0:41:01] Voice 12: we've had them since

[0:41:01] Voice 8: 1990 it's

[0:41:04] Voice 12: not a reasonable

[0:41:04] Voice 14: thank you for that i'm just going to ask staff

[0:41:08] Voice 14: um is

[0:41:10] Voice 12: there any impact is the groundwater that's a good question

[0:41:13] Voice 7: i can answer that myself

[0:41:14] Voice 7: narissa and william will be zooming in um and at that time perhaps we could pose that question to

[0:41:21] Voice 7: them okay that'd be a good idea

[0:41:22] Voice 14: and then we could

[0:41:23] Voice 7: try to get them now i'm not sure if they're

[0:41:25] Voice 7: available well

[0:41:25] Voice 14: if they're planning to come in maybe we can hold that question you can note

[0:41:29] Voice 14: out of that for us, pretty please. Yeah, I would like you

[0:41:31] Voice 8: know,

[0:41:31] Voice 14: we

[0:41:32] Voice 8: would like to be okay. Second issue versus yellow. I do

[0:41:42] have a couple of letters from my kids.

[0:41:46] Very good. They

[0:41:55] Voice 11: wrote it all the time. This one. Oh, and we've

[0:42:08] got development permits. But for example, somebody gave me the

[0:42:17] I was in the last meeting with all these letters, all these maps, and the staff is overwhelmed by this.

[0:42:24] So if we think of developing from this all over the place, there's going to be a big

[0:42:30] Voice 11: strain on this island.

[0:42:31] Voice 11: The water itself, my experience of all these years, you know, everything on Galliano is water.

[0:42:43] Every single piece of water.

[0:42:53] Every single piece of this island is just being developed based on what's been going on here.

[0:43:05] Over time, they are.

[0:43:07] Okay, my last quick question that I raised last time was about the whole

[0:43:15] Voice 8: idea of the emergency road access.

[0:43:20] I know there's much more to it.

[0:43:26] It's just that it's not worthy of road access to be.

[0:43:31] It took months of meetings and on-site inspections to see what roads worked well.

[0:43:36] I'm understanding now that the trust will make it, get it, resumming.

[0:43:43] Every time we go resuming, we take it.

[0:43:47] I think what keeps our puzzle is now that it hasn't happened.

[0:43:51] A little bit here and there, and you have five feet more of the arc.

[0:43:55] It's so far from being an emergency access as a public safety problem.

[0:44:00] It means lives.

[0:44:02] I've been in a court for it.

[0:44:03] We have to move real quick to get it out of there.

[0:44:07] Voice 11: I'll bring it up again tonight, but I just wanted to know the trust in me.

[0:44:11] Voice 8: I

[0:44:11] Voice 11: think it's a cheetah that we all know.

[0:44:16] Voice 11: We're going to get together and try and reprocess this whole thing.

[0:44:20] Voice 11: Because what the

[0:44:22] Voice 8: trust is doing is just having to do it.

[0:44:25] We don't have it because there's no rezoning.

[0:44:30] That was the whole project,

[0:44:37] Voice 11: and I think it will be at the meeting tonight.

[0:44:49] Voice 12: Okay, thank you.

[0:44:51] Voice 12: Is there anyone else?

[0:44:52] Voice 12: Yes, in the back.

[0:44:55] Voice 12: I'm Jennifer Martison, 141-76 Allison Road.

[0:44:59] Voice 12: I wanted to comment on, actually ask a question, maybe this could be put too near us, and it's

[0:45:05] Voice 12: Valerie.

[0:45:05] Voice 12: She joins the meeting.

[0:45:07] Voice 12: On 15.1 groundwater implementation bylaws, if the intention is to protect groundwater recharge areas through DPAs, and if I'm correct in when I was looking at the map of the development permit areas,

[0:45:27] Voice 12: that parks are not so designated as groundwater recharge protection areas because they are

[0:45:36] Voice 12: already protected. I would like to ask about what appears to be the exclusion of the community

[0:45:43] Voice 12: forest on Schedule G that's in the agenda package. The community forest is not a park

[0:45:51] Voice 12: and it is not protected and it is according to the studies and the maps that have been done

[0:46:00] Voice 12: under the groundwater sustainability project it is a significant recharge area certainly for

[0:46:07] Voice 12: the well-dense neighborhoods that exist directly below it and it is not protected um it has as

[0:46:15] Voice 12: as everybody here knows,

[0:46:17] Voice 12: been rezoned, it is at the subdivision,

[0:46:21] Voice 12: for a high density residential project.

[0:46:25] Voice 12: So I would just like to have Narissa address that

[0:46:30] Voice 13: if she could, because I'm not quite sure

[0:46:31] Voice 13: whether my conclusion from looking at the map

[0:46:34] Voice 13: is

[0:46:35] Voice 12: that parks are in fact exempt

[0:46:37] Voice 12: because they're seen as already protected,

[0:46:39] Voice 12: but the community towards to something a little bit different.

[0:46:43] Voice 12: Um, I just have one more comment and it has to do with the Crystal Mountain application.

[0:46:50] Voice 12: And this is just for my own understanding of this.

[0:46:54] Voice 12: It was revealed that the February 7th LTC meeting that there is not a registered statutory

[0:47:00] Voice 12: right-of-way on Lot B.

[0:47:03] Voice 12: I understand that the Yallian Road Network Plan requires this of a rezoning subdivision

[0:47:10] Voice 12: application when it is for visitor accommodation there is to be frontage on the rural highway in

[0:47:17] Voice 12: this case on 48th road and the cms lot does not in fact have access to 48th road i understand too

[0:47:30] Voice 12: that this is why the planners suggested placing an application under community facilities

[0:47:36] Voice 13: And I know there

[0:47:38] Voice 12: have been a lot of questions about that designation, and I'm not sure if

[0:47:43] Voice 12: I'm totally correct in making that statement, but I wanted to comment that although Frannick

[0:47:50] Voice 12: Smith reported staff would work with the CRD to resolve the question and ensure access

[0:47:55] Voice 12: is provided and that staff will report back to the LTC prior to a public hearing, I'm

[0:48:01] Voice 12: wondering why this important matter was not addressed much earlier in the process rather

[0:48:07] Voice 12: than just before a public hearing when much time and in fact years have already been extended on its

[0:48:14] Voice 12: application so um i'm hoping to get a little bit of clarification on that too

[0:48:22] Voice 12: and i just found a final comment i just wanted to support what tinkerer said in her presentation and

[0:48:28] Voice 12: And somebody said something interesting to me the other day, and that's that bylaws are only for those who comply.

[0:48:35] Voice 12: So I really think having a very clear and fair enforcement, bylaw enforcement program,

[0:48:43] Voice 12: and there are some problems with the trust bylaw enforcement, both for the complainants and for people who are charged with violations,

[0:48:51] Voice 12: clearly needs work but i think it's a really important piece of protecting what we have here

[0:48:58] Voice 12: thank you thank you

[0:49:01] Voice 14: um so let's turn to staff and see if there's any uh information about that

[0:49:07] Voice 14: okay

[0:49:07] Voice 13: yeah

[0:49:10] Voice 11: i was just gonna

[0:49:11] Voice 7: see if

[0:49:12] Voice 11: staff had a comment about the road access bit before we

[0:49:15] Voice 11: went no

[0:49:15] Voice 7: i understand that planner brad smith is working with the applicant to provide that

[0:49:20] Voice 7: information he recently sent information to the ltc i believe the last 24 hours so that could be

[0:49:27] Voice 7: that would be made publicly available i'll perhaps ask him to add that to the the ltc website under

[0:49:33] Voice 7: applications and he will be addressing that um before the public hearing sure

[0:49:39] Voice 12: my point is that

[0:49:40] Voice 12: it just seems

[0:49:41] Voice 12: very far along in the process for something that important to suddenly kind of raise

[0:49:47] Voice 12: yeah

[0:49:48] Voice 7: my understanding was always the intent to uh secure that emergency access across crystal

[0:49:54] Voice 7: mountain but this property to the south it was never discussed as we can't

[0:50:00] Voice 7: force that other property owner to put a emergency access on that portion

[0:50:09] Voice 7: yeah that's what i said we can't so it wasn't necessarily addressed earlier on in the process

[0:50:14] Voice 7: process from my understanding but it was always a condition of the rezoning to obtain that emergency

[0:50:20] Voice 7: access across this mountain and I

[0:50:23] Voice 12: don't think that was made very clear to the community that

[0:50:26] Voice 12: that was as significant should be seen as a significant impediment for us securing an

[0:50:34] Voice 12: emergency

[0:50:35] Voice 7: access but it didn't it wasn't didn't exist haven't been it's always been a part like

[0:50:41] Voice 7: a condition of the rezoning so

[0:50:43] Voice 1: it's been one of those items

[0:50:44] Voice 7: yeah and generally those things don't

[0:50:47] Voice 7: necessarily get finalized until after the public hearing and the applicant works with the crd

[0:50:53] Voice 7: to register i don't know sorry if it's easement or strata or srow but generally those are all

[0:50:59] Voice 7: finalized right before um uh adoption of the bylaws and feel free to give planner smith a

[0:51:08] Voice 7: a call as well if you want to follow up to see what happens great thank

[0:51:13] Voice 12: you very much

[0:51:14] Voice 12: i'm going to

[0:51:16] Voice 13: stand because my trachea is tricky

[0:51:19] my

[0:51:21] Voice 13: name is jane georgison and on the non-indigenous side of my family i am sixth

[0:51:25] Voice 13: generation i am the mother and grandmother of the seventh and the eighth on my indigenous side it

[0:51:30] Voice 13: goes back who knows how many generations i stand here today as a long-time resident and generational

[0:51:38] Voice 13: resident of this community in the active page trustee maverly wrote that for a note before

[0:51:46] Voice 13: a notice of motion to replace standing resolution 2019-053 in line c d and e the suggestions

[0:51:57] Voice 13: were made to the change suggestions were made to include and organizations this would be a

[0:52:05] Voice 13: disservice to indigenous community members that come from families with the residents of these

[0:52:09] Voice 13: communities for generations but are not affiliated with these indigenous organizations and due to the

[0:52:15] Voice 13: oppression and division of the indian act to erase our indigeneity we are not a part of or

[0:52:20] Voice 13: represented by indigenous governing agencies i propose our trustees consider replacing the

[0:52:26] Voice 13: proposed and organizations with knowledge holders in an effort to be inclusive of all indigenous

[0:52:32] Voice 13: community members within the proven with a proven historical connection to these lands and waters

[0:52:39] Voice 13: in this same motion it was proposed the addition of the line direct staff to not take enforcement

[0:52:45] Voice 13: action against indigenous peoples in regards to their traditional and inherent rights

[0:52:49] Voice 13: i'm curious what the parameters of these traditional and inherent rights would be in

[0:52:53] Voice 13: the context of this proposed line would this be mining if an indigenous person holds the mining

[0:52:59] Voice 13: rights title development within a watershed logging i believe this motion to include this

[0:53:05] Voice 13: line is disguised to serve a small portion of community members and is not put in this effort

[0:53:10] Voice 13: to preserve our lands and waters for our future generations. Indigenous people deserve the right

[0:53:16] Voice 13: to learn and practice their cultural and inherent rights, but these need to be in line with the

[0:53:20] Voice 13: long-standing laws, practices, and protocols of Indigenous people since time immemorial and not

[0:53:26] Voice 13: dictated by individual organizations. There are two of me. I was invited to sit on the Groundwater

[0:53:34] Voice 13: of sustainability roundtable discussions as an indigenous knowledge holder along with other

[0:53:40] Voice 13: indigenous knowledge holders from throughout the island trust region with the support and

[0:53:46] Voice 13: guidance of planner chadwick and lisa wilcox through the length through a lengthy and thorough

[0:53:50] Voice 13: process they provided us with the space to have our voices heard regarding our connections to

[0:53:53] Voice 13: waterland cultural practices and teachings that have been a part of who we are as indigenous

[0:53:59] Voice 13: people for generations we all had time to review consider provide input request edits and approve

[0:54:05] Voice 13: the draft document that was created in collaboration with the other agencies involved and by law 283

[0:54:13] Voice 13: it has been suggested that uh line p the letter p land owned by a person with a federal indigenous

[0:54:23] Voice 13: status living in their traditional territory with proof of indigenous family lineage

[0:54:28] Voice 13: be exempt from any requirement for a development permit i ask you who would stand to gain from this

[0:54:33] Voice 13: motion any indigenous person who is taking action to preserve our land waters and culture for our

[0:54:39] Voice 13: future generations will not be in favor of including this motion water fresh and salt is

[0:54:46] Voice 13: sacred to our people for many reasons and proposing that indigenous people be exempt from requiring

[0:54:50] Voice 13: permit to develop in one of our most sacred resources the dpas is baffling to me you have

[0:54:58] Voice 13: to be living under a rock to not see the impacts colonization development and human activities

[0:55:02] Voice 13: these are having on our waters both fresh and salt and the fight that people are having throughout

[0:55:06] Voice 13: the world to protect these resources i'm not about to cry i'm just not breathing it's okay

[0:55:14] Voice 13: why would developing on or in the area of one of these of one of our most sacred resources be

[0:55:21] Voice 13: something an indigenous person would want to proceed with indigenous people and allies all

[0:55:27] Voice 13: over the world are fighting to protect these natural resources and it's being suggested in

[0:55:30] Voice 13: this document to exempt indigenous people from requiring a permit so they can proceed for their

[0:55:34] Voice 13: own selfish reasons and not consider our future generations and what that impact would these

[0:55:39] Voice 13: actions would have this proposed inclusion would not serve indigenous peoples as a collective but

[0:55:44] Voice 13: only as individuals i would like you to reconsider changing that terminology thank you thank you for

[0:55:53] Voice 11: that is there anyone else that wanted to speak that hasn't spoken yes

[0:55:58] Voice 12: sir um it's a different

[0:56:01] Voice 12: in some of your areas right back to the client letter um it deals with the uh request from

[0:56:09] Voice 12: maine island uh to look at the site and use permit model just in case the crd

[0:56:19] besides sometime maybe in the future get out of the uh uh

[0:56:25] Voice 8: building uh regulation i think it would

[0:56:30] be extremely

[0:56:31] Voice 10: premature uh until the crd actually signals the effect to the effect that it is getting

[0:56:39] uh regulation i am also

[0:56:45] Voice 12: concerned about potential increases to the island trust itself if the island

[0:56:50] trust is going to adopt such a model as was adopted on hornby you

[0:56:56] Voice 12: could see very significant

[0:56:57] Voice 12: significant increases in staff, resources, budgets for the Island Trust to administer

[0:57:04] Voice 12: the new housing, siting and regulation

[0:57:07] Voice 8: by-laws. Rather than endorsing the Hornby model, I

[0:57:14] Voice 8: would suggest that if the Island Trust, the local trust is serious about this, then send

[0:57:21] Voice 8: the Hornbeet siting and use permits to get the ATC to take a look at them for their applicability

[0:57:32] to Galliano Hornbeet

[0:57:35] Voice 12: regulations were designed and passed in 2005 specifically to deal with the

[0:57:42] Voice 12: circumstances on Hornbeet which were unique and I don't think those circumstances on Hornbeet

[0:57:49] Voice 12: and how they dealt with them as a community are very transferable to the county so take a look

[0:57:57] at this before you leave and support something uh

[0:58:00] Voice 8: just on the wishes of another

[0:58:03] Voice 12: uh local trust

[0:58:05] Voice 12: committee hey thank you for that anyone else before i move on okay then uh we have no community

[0:58:18] Voice 12: the information meeting or public hearing today so that takes us to section nine and we have the

[0:58:26] Voice 12: minutes of february 7th meeting for adoption trustee maverly yeah

[0:58:31] Voice 10: a couple

[0:58:32] Voice 12: of changes

[0:58:36] Voice 12: so in the first paragraph i'm not holding questions it's not a court case regarding

[0:58:43] Voice 12: and herring fishery it was the pfl or forest owners association not herring i don't know

[0:58:53] Voice 12: yeah yeah well okay yeah i was actually confused because i got a

[0:58:59] Voice 12: question about herring fishing

[0:59:01] Voice 12: and i didn't think i had heard that either

[0:59:05] Voice 12: and then secondly um it goes to um my declaration of conflict of interest i did not declare a

[0:59:16] conflict of interest there's this distinct difference between the two so okay

[0:59:22] Voice 12: that needs

[0:59:23] Voice 12: to change for the bias okay

[0:59:25] Voice 14: yeah and i

[0:59:27] Voice 14: think just for

[0:59:27] Voice 12: clarity that in fact if you just declare that

[0:59:31] Voice 12: you're refusing yourself i think that's actually sufficient yeah am i correct yes that's sorry i

[0:59:37] Voice 7: was just going to ask where in the minutes is that just so we can document it and robin can

[0:59:42] Voice 7: and make the change

[0:59:43] Voice 7: page

[0:59:44] Voice 12: three page

[0:59:48] Voice 7: three of the minutes yeah okay great page three

[0:59:51] Voice 12: of the minutes as trustee maverick spoke to the need for affordable housing

[1:00:00] Voice 11: okay is there anything else to do with the minutes

[1:00:08] Voice 4: okay

[1:00:10] Voice 11: well um process uh is

[1:00:16] Voice 12: it better to defer the adoption of the minute

[1:00:18] Voice 12: books have been fixed or should we just adopt as amended adopt

[1:00:22] Voice 13: as amended it's fine okay

[1:00:24] Voice 12: uh

[1:00:25] Voice 9: trustees the motion to adopt as amended

[1:00:30] Voice 9: okay i'll go with lisa's

[1:00:33] Voice 12: uh uh and uh uh trust me really uh seconded so all in favor

[1:00:39] Voice 12: and that's carried okay thank you uh next up is the

[1:00:47] Voice 9: resolution to that meeting report there's none

[1:00:49] Voice 9: advisory planning commission minutes there is none and we have a follow-up action list uh

[1:00:56] Voice 9: uh from from March 23rd which is um it's

[1:01:02] Voice 12: actually missing it's

[1:01:04] Voice 9: actually missing that's why that's

[1:01:05] Voice 9: why I'm not seeing it my

[1:01:06] Voice 7: apologies so um we'll make sure to change the agenda that's on the

[1:01:12] Voice 7: website um tomorrow includes the follow-up action list the only item that has been completed

[1:01:18] Voice 7: is with regards to Crystal Mountain uh with scheduling the May 6th meeting I think that's

[1:01:25] Voice 7: been finalized um but it's also staff to review the emergency access at srw um and the access

[1:01:34] Voice 7: will be that's in progress so that's the only item that has not been completed from the fual

[1:01:40] Voice 7: i just also want to mention that the galliano apc has to dissent that work program staff report

[1:01:47] Voice 7: um so they'll be working on a referral and with recommendations back to the ltc

[1:01:53] Voice 12: great thank you for that um no delegations today uh

[1:01:59] Voice 9: correspondence uh we accepted this earlier and

[1:02:05] Voice 9: i will note that i've seen a lot of correspondence in support of the yellow house um quite a lot

[1:02:11] Voice 12: and two

[1:02:13] Voice 9: more here and absolutely i have not seen a single in opposition so um we'll see how that

[1:02:19] Voice 9: bolts to take it to that section which is coming up very close uh

[1:02:26] Voice 9: meeting break community update how's everyone feeling you want a little break grab a

[1:02:30] Voice 9: coffee or tea or anything everyone do you want to just plow ahead all right well ahead it is

[1:02:38] Voice 9: and that brings us to section 4.1 and

[1:02:43] Voice 12: we have staff support thank you chair um

[1:02:47] Voice 7: i'm going to

[1:02:49] Voice 7: take this opportunity more so to go over the process of a tup rather than the applicant

[1:02:54] Voice 12: application itself because i know especially both trustees here probably know this application very

[1:03:00] Voice 12: very well um but i'll also add in a little bit of information

[1:03:03] Voice 7: for the um

[1:03:05] Voice 7: chairs um information

[1:03:07] Voice 7: as well so this is a temporary use permit and development variance permit uh for the

[1:03:14] Voice 7: actually sorry to legalize the use of a community arts center with the use of short-term guest

[1:03:21] Voice 7: accommodation for artists and also to legalize some of the sighting of existing structures on

[1:03:27] Voice 7: the subject property so um this these two applications were the result of initially a

[1:03:35] Voice 7: bylaw enforcement complaint and through that process the applicants decided to apply for a

[1:03:41] Voice 7: TEP and also a DBP. As I mentioned earlier, the applicants did apply to the executive

[1:03:48] Voice 7: committee for fee sponsorship and that was successful. So both the fee applications were

[1:03:54] Voice 7: refunded to the applicant. So as the property is zoned Village Residential 2, which is a

[1:04:02] Voice 7: residential use, the proposed uses and the current uses don't comply with zoning. So

[1:04:07] Voice 7: that's why we're going through the process of a temporary use permit. And just like the

[1:04:11] Voice 7: name um really the purpose of a temporary use is to test out this proposed zoning or use it sorry

[1:04:19] Voice 7: in the hopes that if it is successful and it is a good location that perhaps will go through a

[1:04:25] Voice 7: resuming application uh tup can be issued for up to three years and renewed once for an initial

[1:04:32] Voice 7: of three years um in terms of the conditions in the tup an ltc can make them more restrictive by

[1:04:41] Voice 7: adding more conditions but you can't take conditions out to the temporary use permit

[1:04:46] Voice 7: and so when the ltc receives and members of the community receive this draft tup in your mailbox

[1:04:53] Voice 7: or you see it online it's more of a shell excuse me and there might be additional conditions added

[1:04:58] Voice 7: at the meeting um in terms of any type of land use consideration uh there is the property is

[1:05:06] Voice 7: a limited size and it reduces the ability to locate the buildings and structures on the property

[1:05:11] Voice 7: and also limits the ability to move the community art center as far away as as from residential

[1:05:18] Voice 7: properties on the flip side though it's in a great location because it's close to the sturdiest

[1:05:24] Voice 7: bay commercial hub and also the ferries um the most um potential impacts is to the direct

[1:05:32] Voice 7: uh residential neighbors um and staff have included a condition for the ltc to consider

[1:05:40] Voice 7: to request the as a condition request the applicant to install events um there's a couple

[1:05:48] Voice 7: of recommendations on the property but the one that staff is really recommending is potentially

[1:05:53] Voice 7: essentially a fence that runs along the western boundary that would buffer the the work um the

[1:06:02] Voice 7: workshop or the workshop and also the use of the dwelling from the neighboring property

[1:06:08] Voice 7: and that is recommendation number one a in terms of the DPP as I mentioned it's legalizing some

[1:06:15] Voice 7: existing structures um impacts to neighbors are quite minor and it's also we're deciding

[1:06:21] Voice 7: of two sisters. So staff are recommending approval. Miss the most important thing. We received, I think, over 75 letters in support of this application. And it was amazing to see, we received a letter from a 12 year old, I've never seen that before. And also a piece of artwork signed by a bunch of six or seven year olds. So I'm just saying to the LTC, if this is declined,

[1:06:53] Voice 12: coming after you

[1:06:55] Voice 12: so with that said

[1:06:57] Voice 7: if you go to page 13 the staff is approving the issuance of

[1:07:02] Voice 7: the tup but the ltc may want to consider adding that condition of the construction of the fence

[1:07:08] Voice 7: along the western proxy line and that's condition a it would also allow the property owners

[1:07:14] Voice 7: time to build that so they wouldn't need to construct them until the issuance of the renewal

[1:07:20] Voice 7: rule application so that gives them the three years to hopefully raise funds for that and then

[1:07:25] Voice 7: the last recommendation is that the galliano ltc approve issuance of the dvp and i believe

[1:07:36] Voice 14: wonderful would you like to address the local trust committee

[1:07:45] Voice 12: i'm here today with some of our members

[1:07:59] Voice 12: Thank you for taking the time to consider our application for a temporary use permit for Yellow House.

[1:08:06] Voice 12: I'd like to give a brief description of how we got here, if we have time.

[1:08:13] Voice 12: People familiar with Galleon Island are almost certainly aware of the little yellow house

[1:08:18] Voice 12: in certain places across from the store.

[1:08:22] Voice 12: For most of us, I'm sure it has been a place where artists have lived and produced their art,

[1:08:28] Voice 12: such as Kloba Tours, Ruth Willing, Josef and Hopkins, Bartholomew's building house, and more.

[1:08:36] In 2016, my parents were looking for a

[1:08:40] Voice 12: place here so they could be close to me and my family and my mother saw Yellow House listed online for sale.

[1:08:49] Voice 13: I'm an artist and I've lived here for over a decade

[1:08:53] Voice 12: and because my parents are from Turkey, we knew that there would be times that the house would be unoccupied.

[1:09:02] Voice 12: So my parents were very supportive

[1:09:04] Voice 7: of the idea of us using the house to exploit the processes from which they worked there.

[1:09:10] Voice 7: Things don't always work out the way we planned, so my father's help made it impossible for them to come.

[1:09:17] Voice 7: Realizing that the house would be empty most of the time, we explored our options.

[1:09:22] Voice 7: So we came to a conclusion

[1:09:24] Voice 12: that we would like to share the space with other artists and community members.

[1:09:28] Voice 12: It was always felt to us that this was what the house wanted.

[1:09:33] Voice 12: Thus, Yellow House Arts Center Society was born.

[1:09:37] Voice 12: We have received immense

[1:09:38] Voice 12: support and we're very grateful and thanks to everyone who wrote letters and are here today.

[1:09:47] Voice 12: We've been able to facilitate dancers, musicians, painters, cover rappers, artists of all ages.

[1:09:54] Voice 12: and very importantly we have become involved with the process of reconciliation to community members

[1:10:02] Voice 12: that have been here since time immemorial.

[1:10:06] Voice 12: While we have grown to the point that our land use has become an issue,

[1:10:10] Voice 12: we are not ready to

[1:10:11] Voice 12: commit to a permanent rezoning at this time.

[1:10:14] Voice 12: We are taking the time to develop a plan that we think balances the comfort of our neighbors

[1:10:20] Voice 12: for the community's desire to have a safe and accessible place to make and share art for this

[1:10:26] Voice 12: purpose we're applying for the cbp it is our intention to address any concerns that arise

[1:10:32] Voice 12: promptly and continue to be a good neighbor thank you for your consideration we're happy to answer

[1:10:38] Voice 12: any questions you may have thank you for that question yeah so um my questions are just

[1:10:48] Voice 12: just regarding the three recommendations on fences and I'll I think along the road we were already

[1:10:57] Voice 12: planning on doing this in the middle of the development one along the uh uh neighbor's

[1:11:03] property they're happy to do that that would be great anything

[1:11:11] Voice 11: else trustees how

[1:11:12] Voice 4: about the other

[1:11:13] Voice 4: fence

[1:11:14] Voice 12: there's three fences where's the third one I guess that's what

[1:11:18] Voice 12: I mean yeah the one

[1:11:19] Voice 12: the faces kane rose okay i think we're planning on you're planning on putting one there anyway

[1:11:26] and then i wasn't planning on putting one along the neighbor but we could do that

[1:11:30] as long as they want it they don't want to look at the fence then so there's a good question

[1:11:40] Voice 12: so if we pass the recommendations with the fence and the neighbor comes back and says we'd rather

[1:11:45] Voice 12: not have a

[1:11:45] Voice 8: fence along that boundary um can we put an option in there that's

[1:11:52] Voice 12: a good question

[1:11:53] Voice 12: i mean you don't have to add it as a condition and perhaps in good faith you could ask the

[1:11:59] Voice 12: applicant to ask the

[1:12:00] Voice 7: neighbor absolutely

[1:12:01] Voice 11: okay justice

[1:12:07] Voice 12: yeah anything further um

[1:12:09] Voice 12: um i'd give you some letters for us

[1:12:13] Voice 12: okay so

[1:12:27] Voice 9: that being the case and and trust these i i heard that you want to

[1:12:33] Voice 9: maybe leave one of these out in good faith with the discussion here so

[1:12:37] Voice 9: yeah

[1:12:38] Voice 7: so it'd be reclamation number one i believe number

[1:12:40] Voice 9: eight okay and so that being the case is

[1:12:44] Voice 9: what would you prepare to uh make a motion oh yeah option number one

[1:12:51] Voice 11: motion that i'm going to make it's going to make it right here i know

[1:12:57] Voice 9: there's also two and three that yeah

[1:12:59] Voice 11: i know we've been sharing

[1:13:00] Voice 9: Great.

[1:13:00] Voice 12: I'll read this motion.

[1:13:02] Voice 12: The Galliano Local Trust Committee amends draft temporary use permit GLPUP 2023.1 carpet

[1:13:10] Voice 12: as shown in Figure 3 of the staff report by an addition of the following.

[1:13:17] Voice 12: B, construction of the fence in the southeastern edge of the property to shield visual and noise impacts in the stage area

[1:13:25] Voice 12: prior to issuing the temporary use permit renewal application and

[1:13:31] Voice 7: item c placement of individual

[1:13:32] Voice 7: fence panels in between existing

[1:13:34] Voice 12: structures along the southern lot line to shield visual

[1:13:38] Voice 12: and noise impacts from the stage area prior to issuing a temporary use permit renewal application

[1:13:44] Voice 12: so

[1:13:45] Voice 14: moved and seconded

[1:13:46] Voice 12: seconded by

[1:13:48] Voice 14: trustee maverick do you want to do all three ones uh

[1:13:51] Voice 14: we could we'll just do them one at a time and then uh

[1:13:53] Voice 14: anything further on this motion all right

[1:13:57] Voice 14: i'll call

[1:13:57] Voice 9: the question all in favor wonderful uh it's carried unanimously and uh just to get

[1:14:04] Voice 12: regulation number two that the galliano island local trust committee approved issuance of

[1:14:09] Voice 12: temporary use permit jail tup 2023.1 perfect for a period of three years as amended absolutely

[1:14:18] Voice 12: move seconded anything further all in favor shots it's carries and the third motion third motion uh

[1:14:29] Voice 12: i believe that the galena local trust committee approved the issuance of glbbp 2023.1 perfect

[1:14:38] Voice 12: seconded anything further all

[1:14:41] Voice 10: the questions all in favor

[1:14:42] Voice 12: and

[1:14:43] Voice 14: that is carrying as well thank you

[1:14:46] Voice 14: i

[1:14:58] Voice 12: just want to take a moment and appreciate that uh

[1:15:01] Voice 12: it may be a while again before we get an ovation

[1:15:06] Voice 12: i think it's my permit so let's just soak that in for a moment and enjoy that and thank you uh

[1:15:13] Voice 14: trustees and staff and applicant and community supporting arts i think that's wonderful

[1:15:19] Voice 14: okay so that brings us to item 15.1 we have a staff report on the groundwater sustainability

[1:15:26] Voice 14: sustainability project and I see that

[1:15:30] Voice 14: Stavner's Chadwick is online

[1:15:33] Voice 12: and we'll actually take a

[1:15:36] Voice 12: five-minute break and get that

[1:15:38] Voice 12: online would that work okay is everyone happy with a little

[1:15:41] Voice 12: five-minute break okay let's take a five-minute recess

[1:15:50] Voice 12: I know.

[1:15:52] Voice 12: I'm safe.

[1:15:53] Voice 12: Everyone.

[1:16:39] Voice 4: I know I'm not playing.

[1:17:58] Voice 11: Thank

[1:17:59] Voice 4: you.

[1:30:25] Voice 4: Ladies and gentlemen,

[1:30:29] Voice 14: let's get back to order here, please.

[1:30:53] okay

[1:31:07] Voice 14: and uh just uh before we go into item 15.1 i just i realized that i meant and forgot to

[1:31:16] Voice 14: mention that the uh earlier in the meeting that i i'm intending to uh uh be at the little office

[1:31:24] Voice 14: there in sturdies bay tomorrow um i hadn't quite figured out what a good time actually wanted to

[1:31:31] Voice 14: take a poll of like i was thinking like it's

[1:31:35] Voice 3: four to six a good

[1:31:36] Voice 12: time or is earlier a good time a

[1:31:39] Voice 12: little feedback

[1:31:39] Voice 3: would be great you don't have to do it right now but if you'd like to come by and

[1:31:44] Voice 3: chat i want to just be available to uh to be down there for a couple hours at some point between

[1:31:49] Voice 13: four and six you said

[1:31:50] Voice 3: that's that's i was thinking that might be an option but if if if earlier is

[1:31:55] Voice 3: better for more people

[1:31:56] Voice 12: um earlier would be better like between two and four two and four anyone else

[1:32:02] Voice 12: have an opinion before yeah

[1:32:05] Voice 3: okay i'll i'll be there between two and four tomorrow

[1:32:08] Voice 12: great and

[1:32:10] Voice 3: feel free to come by and if you know anyone else that wants to come and chat with me uh

[1:32:15] Voice 3: let me know and i

[1:32:16] Voice 3: i'm not leaving till the late ferry so

[1:32:19] Voice 12: if it goes a little longer than four

[1:32:21] Voice 3: that's probably going to be just fine um i do have a bit of pile of business cards here

[1:32:29] Voice 3: you want to give me a call if you think you might want to come and it might be outside those hours

[1:32:34] Voice 3: we'll make something work okay so with that we'll get into item 15.1 the groundwater sustainability

[1:32:43] Voice 3: project we have a staff report and i see that we have planner chadwick online with us today welcome

[1:32:50] Voice 3: uh

[1:32:52] Voice 5: thanks trustee peterson um yeah so we are uh the staff report is bringing back the um the

[1:33:02] Voice 5: bylaw number 283 which are changes to the

[1:33:08] Voice 5: galliano official community plan and so that includes some um you know general amendments

[1:33:14] Voice 5: to language definitions etc but the big part piece there is the development permit area

[1:33:32] Voice 5: And the other part of this is there is bylaw number 284, and that's the land use bylaw. So the intention was that the two of them would move together. So that's being brought back for the first time. And that's the land use bylaw that's being brought back for the first time.

[1:33:49] Voice 5: to be read for the first time, and that one is, you know, the major pieces in there are

[1:33:56] Voice 5: related to the subdivision regulations for potable water and cisterns for new builds.

[1:34:08] Voice 5: There's also a resolution here that needs to sort of be supported if you're going to move

[1:34:15] Voice 5: move forward on these related to the island's trust policy statement identifying that neither

[1:34:19] Voice 5: of these bylaws amendments are at variance with the trust policy statement um and then

[1:34:26] Voice 5: the request to schedule a public hearing so um so at the last at the last ltc meeting for

[1:34:33] Voice 5: for galliano um there were um a couple of the ltc raised a couple of of um concerns related

[1:34:43] Voice 5: I would actually characterize it related to the exemptions for the DPA, and those were specifically related to the use of fire smart methods to address fire protection.

[1:35:06] Voice 5: um and the um and and land owned by um people with indigenous status so we the memo or the

[1:35:18] Voice 5: staff report that's presented for you identifies changes that staff have made to address those

[1:35:24] Voice 5: so you can see in um related to fire protection that related uh under emergency actions

[1:35:36] Voice 5: The fire protection measures has been added as a single as a focused item and then there has been an additional exemption and we did have conversation with Trustee Maberly about this one as it was of particular interest to him and we sort of arrived at what you see before you which is the exemption would be

[1:36:04] Voice 5: read, land owned by a person with federal Indigenous status living on their traditional

[1:36:10] Voice 5: territory with proof of Indigenous family lineage. And that, as I said, Trustee Maberly

[1:36:18] Voice 5: provided some insight to staff around how this proof of Indigenous lineage would be defined.

[1:36:28] Voice 5: find um so from staff protection perspective it does appear to be something that can could be um

[1:36:35] Voice 5: easily qualified so um open to questions at this point okay

[1:36:42] Voice 14: thank you very much and um

[1:36:44] Voice 12: uh

[1:36:45] Voice 12: we had asked uh there was a couple that we wanted to refer from the town hall we start with those

[1:36:52] Voice 12: please yes i'll get to trustees in a moment

[1:36:55] Voice 7: um there was a there was a question about um

[1:36:59] Voice 7: why the exclusion of the community forest property or why the community forest property was excluded

[1:37:05] Voice 7: um it sounds like most of the parks were excluded and the community member wanted to make the point

[1:37:11] Voice 7: that it actually is not

[1:37:12] Voice 12: zoned as park and not protected

[1:37:16] Voice 12: and not protected

[1:37:18] Voice 12: thank you right yes

[1:37:20] Voice 5: Yes, well, so when we looked through to identify which areas to be excluded, we did, we looked at tenure, specifically. So, if that's held by, I'm not sure what the, what the ownership status on that piece of land is.

[1:37:39] Voice 5: Owned by the Galliano Club.

[1:37:41] Voice 14: It's owned by the Galliano Club.

[1:37:43] Voice 5: Right, and it probably has, does it have a covenant on it because that was the other thing that we looked at so lands that may have a covenant on it.

[1:37:51] Voice 14: and it does have a covenant yeah

[1:37:52] Voice 5: so that's why it would have been excluded

[1:37:59] Voice 14: okay um trustees any any further clarification on on this before we move on to but specifically

[1:38:05] Voice 14: on this just one community forest and then we move on no

[1:38:09] Voice 12: okay

[1:38:10] Voice 14: all right and uh what else can

[1:38:14] Voice 14: we get out there there

[1:38:15] Voice 7: was a second question is the gentleman here no that's

[1:38:18] Voice 12: just he's not here

[1:38:21] Voice 12: in regard to water licenses yeah

[1:38:22] Voice 7: and i'm not sure if i'm phrasing the question correctly so

[1:38:26] Voice 7: ltc please correct me if i wrote this down wrong but there was a question regarding he's a district

[1:38:32] Voice 7: lot uh an owner of one of the district lots and there's two water license two wells with water

[1:38:37] Voice 7: licenses and how does the dpa affect those wells is that right the

[1:38:41] Voice 8: water license the water licenses

[1:38:43] Voice 8: yeah so it's actually not wells with water licenses they own water licenses on the property

[1:38:49] Voice 8: Okay, right.

[1:38:50] Voice 8: That used to be a fairly common thing back in the

[1:38:53] Voice 12: day, but sure. Yeah, so it doesn't refer to the wells, it refers to the owning the water rights on that property.

[1:39:00] Voice 14: And so, Larry Chadwick, do you have any insight on that? Or I also see Mr. Shobha's hand up.

[1:39:10] Voice 2: Yeah, I can speak to the chair if you wish.

[1:39:14] Voice 2: Okay,

[1:39:14] Voice 11: yeah, that'd be helpful.

[1:39:15] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:39:16] Voice 2: so, and I'll also defer to Planner Chadwick about exemptions, because there's some exceptions related to, say, like infrastructure around gaining access to water.

[1:39:30] Voice 2: So water licenses are considered at a point of diversion. So there'll be a specific location where that water will be taken from.

[1:39:42] Voice 2: And so ultimately, this DPA, as I understand it, would not impact any user's access or right to water.

[1:39:55] Voice 2: What it will do is provide protections, not only on their own property, but in surrounding properties of that critical recharge that either supplies water to groundwater licenses from drilled wells or shallow groundwater.

[1:40:12] Voice 2: which a lot of these surface water surface water sources are supported by groundwater and groundwater

[1:40:19] Voice 2: recharge and and so i i see it as a net positive and and i don't see any impact to a user

[1:40:30] Voice 2: engaging in their water license okay

[1:40:34] Voice 14: thank you for that and planner chadwick do you have

[1:40:37] Voice 14: anything to add to that uh

[1:40:39] Voice 5: no i would i i would agree with um um with william um the um yeah i

[1:40:46] Voice 5: don't see there wouldn't be any negative um impacts uh access would still be um would not be

[1:40:53] Voice 5: would not be impact the only thing i i mean i could see positive positive benefit as uh as um

[1:41:00] Voice 5: um um i'm forgetting your title william senior

[1:41:07] Voice 14: fresh water

[1:41:09] Voice 5: specialist has indicated

[1:41:12] Voice 14: okay yeah so the question was specifically whether this would

[1:41:15] Voice 14: uh impact the water both water licenses and i'm hearing a no not

[1:41:21] Voice 5: negatively yeah

[1:41:22] Voice 14: yeah not

[1:41:23] Voice 14: negatively wouldn't go up in your own for the okay thank you for that was there any that was

[1:41:28] Voice 14: what we had written down i

[1:41:30] Voice 2: had there wasn't it

[1:41:31] Voice 12: okay and then trustee baverly yeah so i i think

[1:41:35] Voice 12: we're just moving ahead we need to make sure that we have that information for the landowner just

[1:41:40] Voice 12: to make it clear with you

[1:41:43] Voice 8: know the answer to his question so if we're moving

[1:41:46] Voice 12: ahead have that

[1:41:47] Voice 12: information available um the second thing i have well we got a late submission from bobby capeford

[1:41:55] Voice 12: and we we had our submission read to us earlier using the term critical may

[1:42:03] Voice 2: speak to that chair

[1:42:04] Voice 2: yeah yeah go ahead

[1:42:05] Voice 2: oh okay so so through the chair so i i think what uh the um the the resident who

[1:42:14] Voice 2: submitted it is is really getting hung up on the quality side of of the term critical aquifer

[1:42:22] Voice 2: recharge area. And it does come from the state of Washington. And there's a whole regulatory

[1:42:32] Voice 2: structure around critical aqua recharge areas. It comes from their growth management act on how

[1:42:40] Voice 2: they define critical areas. And one of the schedules in that is critical aqua recharge areas.

[1:42:46] Voice 2: And they speak to, yes, protecting areas of recharge that is impacted by contamination and what they're mostly referring to is agricultural practices.

[1:42:58] Voice 2: But there's also the other hand to that, which is protecting recharge areas to support the quality and not to have a degradation of enhanced recharge.

[1:43:11] Voice 2: And so in the case of Galliano, due to the nature of the island and its geography, the concern is not so much on the contamination, especially from nitrates and other agricultural contaminants,

[1:43:29] Voice 2: but protecting the recharge areas to continually support base flow to streams and inflow to

[1:43:38] Voice 2: fractured bedrock aquifers and to help mitigate the withdrawals, which is part of the definition

[1:43:47] Voice 2: in the critical aquifer recharge area from the definition that Mr. Kiefer is pulling from.

[1:43:54] Voice 2: So I would say that it's not the full story. And indeed, our approach was looking more at protecting the highest recharge, the richest recharge on the island, which is supporting not only well owners, but I have to double down on the fact that it's also supporting the sensitive ecosystems on the island,

[1:44:20] Voice 2: the wetlands and the forests.

[1:44:25] Voice 2: I will agree with the submission that densely populated,

[1:44:32] Voice 2: or densely planted young second growth that is unmanaged

[1:44:38] Voice 2: is not as a promotive to groundwater recharge

[1:44:43] Voice 2: as a sustainably managed forest.

[1:44:45] Voice 2: So I'll agree with the submission there.

[1:44:48] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:44:50] Voice 14: okay and uh do you have anything to add there i

[1:44:55] Voice 5: don't have anything to add

[1:44:56] Voice 9: okay was there

[1:44:57] Voice 9: uh more questions or clarification from either trustee

[1:45:04] Voice 12: so um i want to speak to um line b p and so i want to thank janine for bringing that

[1:45:12] Voice 12: up um just before you

[1:45:16] Voice 4: go on i'm

[1:45:17] Voice 12: seeing a d here i haven't found a p where's the p

[1:45:20] Voice 4: it's actually on page seven okay

[1:45:23] Voice 12: that's sorry go ahead yeah okay so so for me and i and i did

[1:45:31] Voice 12: I did send this out to Nahuatl and the Coast Salish peoples of Galeano and to Rosemary

[1:45:41] Voice 12: Durson, and I agree with Eugene in the sense that this

[1:45:49] Voice 8: is, the reason I included this is

[1:45:52] Voice 8: not because of what the Islands Trust wants to do, but about what the rights of Indigenous

[1:45:59] Voice 8: indigenous peoples is, right? And so this isn't for the island's trust. This is for

[1:46:06] indigenous

[1:46:07] Voice 12: people to decide. I mean, Delvin Wood was pretty clear that indigenous people

[1:46:11] Voice 12: have rights, the right to use land, the right to occupy land, possess land. They have a

[1:46:18] Voice 12: right to economic benefits and they have collective rights. And those rights are their rights.

[1:46:24] Voice 12: they are not our rights right and

[1:46:28] Voice 8: and i agree with you this this is a conversation for for you

[1:46:36] Voice 8: right this is a decision that you make not that i make for you so i wanted to

[1:46:47] Voice 12: i just want to be clear why i have it in there because yeah i'm going to ask for you to speak

[1:46:54] Voice 8: i i really feel that at some times the island's trust is stepping in territory that it doesn't

[1:47:04] Voice 8: belong and no the place it doesn't belong is on your rights

[1:47:09] Voice 4: right and

[1:47:11] Voice 8: so i wanted this line to

[1:47:14] Voice 8: be in here i was i mean i want to thank staff marissa and kim i was just trying to find some

[1:47:20] Voice 8: wording that would open the conversation up we've done that and so now i don't want to remove the

[1:47:29] Voice 8: line because i want the conversation to be had between you and and between all the other

[1:47:34] Voice 8: indigenous people that belong to this territory um so i'm i i

[1:47:40] Voice 12: i'd like to hear what you so

[1:47:42] Voice 14: can i

[1:47:43] Voice 14: just just a little process question um i i hear where you're coming from and and i want to hear

[1:47:50] Voice 14: you too but it's actually viral to oh

[1:47:52] Voice 9: sure i just want to stick to the process

[1:47:56] Voice 9: i've

[1:47:57] Voice 14: heard a little

[1:47:58] Voice 14: bit of criticism and i want to just like yeah absolutely do that um okay and and and just before

[1:48:04] Voice 14: i i i don't want this to turn into a big conversation because that's also not best

[1:48:09] Voice 14: practices i

[1:48:10] Voice 13: can't read well enough to talk much so okay

[1:48:12] Voice 14: so so i want to just kind of stick to

[1:48:14] Voice 14: to like direct questions that are relevant

[1:48:17] Voice 14: to our decision-making and not get

[1:48:20] Voice 9: too philosophical.

[1:48:22] Voice 9: And I just want to say,

[1:48:25] Voice 9: Trustee Mabry, in respect of what you said,

[1:48:28] Voice 9: I think it's wonderful that you're reaching out

[1:48:31] Voice 9: to Penelope and other First Nations people.

[1:48:34] Voice 14: However, in terms of our processes as an LTC,

[1:48:38] Voice 14: what is more useful for us in this decision-making body

[1:48:43] Voice 14: is that we as a as an ltc have that contact um and i'm just saying this because it's essentially um

[1:48:55] Voice 9: word i want to use it's essentially anecdotal what we're hearing from you as an ltc like for

[1:49:00] Voice 9: my position is that what i'm hearing from you is anecdotal because you're telling me that you've

[1:49:05] Voice 9: talked to so and so and they've said thus and such so i just wanted to point that out that i'm a

[1:49:13] Voice 9: uh just in terms of our decision making

[1:49:15] Voice 14: not that you're not that you're reaching out that's

[1:49:18] Voice 14: fabulous but in terms of our decision making as an ltc okay okay so

[1:49:25] Voice 12: first of all um i never said

[1:49:28] Voice 12: what they said i didn't say anything yeah what's the point of

[1:49:33] Voice 12: order back to the agenda okay fair

[1:49:35] Voice 14: enough

[1:49:35] Voice 12: i just wanted to make that clear okay right fair enough so back back to our agenda

[1:49:41] Voice 12: yeah which

[1:49:42] Voice 12: is is is

[1:49:43] Voice 14: the uh the

[1:49:44] Voice 12: item here in

[1:49:45] Voice 14: front of us and um and we're we're on this uh

[1:49:51] Voice 14: i've lost it again this

[1:49:54] Voice 12: condition

[1:49:55] Voice 14: this

[1:49:57] Voice 12: condition

[1:49:58] Voice 14: p so directly speaking on that um trustee gavro

[1:50:02] Voice 14: back

[1:50:02] Voice 12: it up a little bit too to say that i know that our direction was to have staff look at

[1:50:08] Voice 12: the addition of these and I wasn't honestly I

[1:50:11] Voice 12: wasn't expecting to see new amendments to this

[1:50:16] Voice 12: I was actually expecting to have a staff report and that we could have some discussion around it

[1:50:20] Voice 12: before it actually being added that wasn't my expectation but that's you know barring that

[1:50:26] Voice 12: um I know that trustee's had plenty of time for input on p I wasn't given that time which I find

[1:50:36] Voice 12: i'd love to have that time to talk about before actually got put onto the

[1:50:40] Voice 12: um it got put onto this agenda um that being said like um item p i don't know that i want to

[1:50:53] Voice 12: is this where we're going to be making the stand is this where we are

[1:51:00] Voice 12: really like we need to um certainly address reconciliation but i don't know that the

[1:51:06] Voice 12: about the replacement of an existing dpa is what we're doing here we're changing the dpa six or

[1:51:12] Voice 12: basically another title is this the time is this existing this is where this happens i don't know

[1:51:18] Voice 12: where this conversation is going to go i do have quite a bit prepared about it okay

[1:51:24] Voice 14: i just want to

[1:51:26] Voice 14: say in respect of this and and absolutely respecting um that more information and

[1:51:34] Voice 14: and conversation is absolutely an option.

[1:51:37] Voice 14: We're not enjoying to make a final determination

[1:51:41] Voice 14: on this today.

[1:51:42] Voice 14: So that's

[1:51:43] Voice 12: reality and that'll be at the discretion

[1:51:47] Voice 12: of this local trust committee.

[1:51:51] Voice 11: So if more

[1:51:52] Voice 3: time is wanted to

[1:51:54] Voice 14: have those conversations

[1:51:55] Voice 14: or to get a better understanding of the,

[1:51:57] Voice 14: absolutely, there's no need to rush.

[1:52:00] Voice 14: um i just want to um i just i just want to get a little bit of advice

[1:52:08] Voice 3: here from staff just in

[1:52:09] Voice 3: terms of process because i am learning the ropes here i i don't want to start a conversation um

[1:52:16] Voice 3: between the ltc and and members of the public when it's not appropriate to do so so i just want to

[1:52:22] Voice 14: be cautious about that um i know i said i'd like you to speak but i i and and

[1:52:29] Voice 3: i see another hand

[1:52:30] Voice 3: up but i don't want to get into a back and forth that's not appropriate so i just want to get a

[1:52:33] Voice 3: little staff advice first and then we'll move on yeah

[1:52:36] Voice 7: generally what we've done is the first town

[1:52:38] Voice 7: hall or is the time for those to speak to items on the agenda and then when we're dealing with

[1:52:43] Voice 7: applications there's an opportunity for the applicant to speak

[1:52:46] Voice 4: but

[1:52:47] Voice 7: other areas of the agenda

[1:52:48] Voice 7: generally community members uh do not speak the last opportunity is the town hall at the very end

[1:52:54] Voice 7: so that may be an opportunity okay

[1:52:56] Voice 14: so that would be more appropriate and so given that advice i'm

[1:53:01] Voice 14: just gonna ask that members

[1:53:03] Voice 12: of the public let's have that opportunity in the second town hall

[1:53:06] Voice 12: and over you trustee maverly so i'm i'm fine with i'm i'm absolutely fine with what you're

[1:53:12] Voice 12: talking about about having more time um let's let's get a staff report on the implications

[1:53:33] Voice 12: I have a question for Marissa. What is your expectation around timeline for the public hearing?

[1:53:45] Voice 5: Well, originally we were going to try and take advantage of the end of year budget, which is why at the previous LTC meeting we were sort of moving towards first reading.

[1:53:56] Voice 5: So that we could move towards public hearing by the end of the year.

[1:54:00] Voice 5: But if there are items that are still in I mean we've passed that that timeline.

[1:54:05] Voice 5: I mean the thing I think the thing to consider for the ltc is this will continue to be you know one of your projects you're moving forward.

[1:54:14] Voice 5: So it so until this is wrapped up there won't be an opportunity to take on another project.

[1:54:20] Voice 5: so that's something to consider um the other thing to consider is um the bylaw could be read for the

[1:54:25] Voice 5: first time but it can be changed um before before there's a you know at any point before the second

[1:54:32] Voice 5: reading for sure um and and uh you know even beyond if um you know before third reading as

[1:54:40] Voice 5: well if it's if there if there aren't changes that are made to density or use so um yeah so i i mean

[1:54:49] Voice 5: I think my recommendation would be to move forward to first reading with the knowledge that you can

[1:54:56] Voice 5: continue to have the conversation with the community and it can be changed before it goes.

[1:55:05] Voice 2: Through the chair? Yes.

[1:55:07] Voice 2: May I ask Connor Chadwick a question? Go ahead.

[1:55:11] Voice 2: I know that's weird. Is it true that if it goes to first reading, then that engages the formal

[1:55:17] Voice 2: like referral process of the bylaw to outside agencies uh

[1:55:22] Voice 5: yes that is correct yep so that'll

[1:55:25] Voice 5: we've already we already have done some earlier referrals so um yeah so it does move it moves

[1:55:32] Voice 5: the process forward because that is kind of the that's the flag for us to move forward with those

[1:55:36] Voice 2: referrals

[1:55:37] Voice 5: so

[1:55:38] Voice 2: through the chair i would just like to make a comment um uh uh planner chadwick and

[1:55:45] Voice 2: and I have been really engaged in freshwater sustainability

[1:55:49] Voice 2: and watershed security,

[1:55:51] Voice 2: which is a big topic in the province right now,

[1:55:55] Voice 2: especially how the roles of those regulations

[1:56:01] Voice 2: are engaging in reconciliation actions.

[1:56:08] Voice 2: And I will agree with the trustee

[1:56:15] Voice 2: that that this is a good way to open the conversation and there is a lot of information

[1:56:24] Voice 2: on how co-governance of our freshwater resources and our watersheds are going to improve the

[1:56:33] Voice 2: sustainability for everybody and so i i welcome the the notion that staff report back uh with

[1:56:43] Voice 2: with respect to this and the implications and the challenges and opportunities around it

[1:56:47] Voice 2: um i also agree with planner chadwick that moving this to first reading will carry this along and i

[1:56:54] Voice 2: honestly think it will enrich in the discussion around this bylaw because it can be changed and

[1:57:01] Voice 2: also it just allows for outside agencies to provide their their feedback uh in that conversation i

[1:57:09] Voice 2: think it's a more coordinated and collaborative effort by doing so thank you okay

[1:57:15] Voice 14: thank you for

[1:57:15] Voice 14: that so uh just to summarize what i what i believe i've heard um uh if we choose to

[1:57:23] Voice 9: give first

[1:57:24] Voice 9: reading um then we will uh as necessity move into uh first referrals so i think the question for the

[1:57:33] Voice 9: ltc at this point is are you uh more comfortable with initiating like triggering those referrals

[1:57:41] Voice 9: by giving first readings or would you rather have more information before we get to that stage

[1:57:47] Voice 3: i feel like that's the essential question for the ltc at the moment um in terms of how we proceed

[1:57:53] Voice 3: proceed today.

[1:57:55] Voice 12: So, any thoughts? Trustee Gabbard?

[1:57:59] Voice 12: I'd like to see these LTC Passes bylaw, this bylaw in 284. However, I do have a problem

[1:58:06] Voice 12: with the inclusion of clause P.

[1:58:09] Voice 12: Oh, sorry, clause P. In 4.6 development permit exemptions, proposed bylaw, lands owned by

[1:58:26] Voice 12: I don't believe that there is anything in UNDRIP stating that status Indians are exempt

[1:58:33] Voice 12: from any laws or bylaws.

[1:58:35] Voice 12: DRIPA states that legislation must align with UNDRIP and it requires consultation with First

[1:58:42] Voice 12: Nation governments if we are to amend the Local Government Act.

[1:58:47] Voice 12: we're talking about the ownership of these simple lands and we're talking about adding a timestamp

[1:58:52] Voice 12: for those that live here today and own land i think this likely requires

[1:58:57] Voice 12: a change to the land title act of dc um

[1:59:06] Voice 12: i mean i would vote with favor removing clause p and moving forward the scheduling public hearing

[1:59:13] Voice 12: and then bringing this topic back to the LTC

[1:59:16] Voice 12: for a conversation I would like to take.

[1:59:21] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:59:22] Voice 9: And I didn't hear a motion there specifically.

[1:59:26] Voice 9: So I'm just going to go to Trustee neighbourly

[1:59:29] Voice 9: and then if

[1:59:31] Voice 12: you are thinking that you might have a motion,

[1:59:35] Voice 12: I'll certainly have an opportunity to come back to you.

[1:59:36] Voice 12: Trustee neighbourly?

[1:59:38] Voice 12: Well, I don't support removing me.

[1:59:40] Voice 12: I support the process of the collection of knowledge.

[1:59:46] Voice 12: I support getting more information.

[1:59:49] Voice 12: I think by removing it, we're moving forward with a document

[1:59:54] Voice 12: that doesn't include a part of the conversation.

[2:00:00] Voice 12: think removing it for the expedience of the of the um

[2:00:05] Voice 8: project getting finished is a good reason so

[2:00:09] Voice 8: i i wouldn't support moving but but that's i mean moving forward it's kind of irrelevant i mean

[2:00:17] Voice 8: if we move forward we move forward this this thing this can be this can be changed it might not be

[2:00:22] Voice 8: the only change we come across with public comment i think jeff taylor when he talked about water

[2:00:26] Voice 8: licenses i think there's there's going to be a much broader conversation going forward

[2:00:33] if our local indigenous peoples isn't part of that conversation and

[2:00:38] Voice 8: i'm not sure it has been

[2:00:39] Voice 12: to this point okay yeah right

[2:00:41] Voice 8: and

[2:00:42] Voice 12: right you know okay right yeah

[2:00:50] Voice 9: so um i'm just trying to to uh

[2:00:53] Voice 9: think about our way forward here i hear a difference of

[2:00:56] Voice 14: opinion on this clause

[2:00:58] Voice 14: and uh you know as chair the the least comfortable position for me

[2:01:03] Voice 9: is to be a tiebreaker and

[2:01:04] Voice 9: especially in a situation like that so i'm just gonna like reframe our thinking here for a minute

[2:01:11] Voice 9: um and so there's there's one of the options is that we can ask for more staff reporting

[2:01:18] Voice 9: before we make a determination on this today that's one of our options

[2:01:23] Voice 9: the other option which i hear is not supported by all trustees is to go ahead with first reading as

[2:01:30] Voice 9: it stands not amended the other option would be to amend and then get first reading so it sounds

[2:01:36] Voice 9: to me like the middle ground is to look for some more reporting um rather than advancing this

[2:01:44] Voice 9: either amended or not amended today that sounds like the middle ground to me so um trustees uh

[2:01:52] Voice 9: Mayor Mrakas, I

[2:01:54] Voice 12: love the idea of finding out what some of the great that's our strength, I do think that, as we move forward another report, we have a pretty significant issue in years, it is to be simple tax plan, and

[2:02:12] Voice 12: I think that we need a legal opinion

[2:02:16] Voice 11: okay to

[2:02:17] Voice 12: move this forward properly and to have that be part of part of that.

[2:02:21] Voice 12: an accusation before the first meeting okay so

[2:02:28] Voice 9: in respect of that uh if

[2:02:29] Voice 12: we're going to ask

[2:02:30] Voice 12: staff

[2:02:31] Voice 9: for more reporting uh

[2:02:32] Voice 9: we could you

[2:02:33] Voice 12: could include an

[2:02:34] Voice 9: emotion um

[2:02:35] Voice 12: you know that staff assess

[2:02:38] Voice 12: whether a legal opinion is is warranted or a good idea or you can

[2:02:42] Voice 9: just stipulate that you want one

[2:02:44] Voice 9: um so either those are options as you think about formulating a motion hey

[2:02:50] Voice 8: um knowledge is good

[2:02:52] Voice 8: right i mean let's let's get a staff report and um if you want a legal opinion there's no harm

[2:03:00] in

[2:03:01] Voice 12: that or just get the report on whether we need it sure and then come back to the lcd and

[2:03:10] Voice 12: okay so like another swing i feel like i'm hearing a little bit of concurrence here and um so that

[2:03:16] Voice 12: we yeah i don't i don't know that uh i feel we actually do need it

[2:03:22] Voice 14: okay well then absolutely

[2:03:25] Voice 14: stipulate that in the motion if

[2:03:26] Voice 14: you feel that that's necessary you need to design the motion

[2:03:30] Voice 12: fantastic i love

[2:03:31] Voice 12: making motions on the

[2:03:32] Voice 14: flyer everybody's favorite i know staff loves them

[2:03:38] Voice 14: just as much as chairs and other trustees

[2:03:40] Voice 12: um i do and i do understand that there is a freeze on

[2:03:46] Voice 12: legal opinions right now until april so well april's not that far we're already in the middle

[2:03:52] Voice 12: of the month just about so that's not a i don't think that's an onerous transparency as well but

[2:03:58] Voice 12: my point on my head right now is thinking maybe get the public get that legal opinion have all

[2:04:05] Voice 12: that together and have that conversation and

[2:04:08] Voice 9: i mean in terms of process you could you could

[2:04:13] Voice 9: to consider putting forward a motion that asks for the additional reporting and legal opinion

[2:04:18] Voice 9: and then we could look at first reading or the

[2:04:22] Voice 14: other way around and i'm going to leave that

[2:04:24] Voice 14: to your pleasure as you

[2:04:25] Voice 12: consider um what is formulating the motion um

[2:04:32] Voice 12: and i think what i want to

[2:04:33] Voice 3: do at this point is uh is just check in and see if there's other

[2:04:40] Voice 9: um questions about the report other than this clause and maybe that will give you a moment to

[2:04:48] Voice 9: consider putting together a motion and uh we'll just so i'll just uh go back to trustees in a

[2:04:56] Voice 9: general way and ask if there's other sections of this we've got

[2:04:59] Voice 9: questions on or concerns about

[2:05:05] Voice 12: out no i'm good okay i'm curious okay you know i i mean like i said this is i mean it's your

[2:05:14] Voice 12: decision not to sort of see all you want to move ahead i mean i think um i've been pretty clear on

[2:05:21] Voice 12: what i feel is the right way to move ahead and uh i mean i think giving a first reading now without

[2:05:31] Voice 12: getting if we're asking for a legal opinion might be a little premature but um but not undoable i

[2:05:39] think staff would have a better idea of how

[2:05:43] Voice 12: those things would all mesh together and um you know we

[2:05:47] Voice 12: may just be you know safe for going to public hearing but that's not for six months or something

[2:05:51] Voice 12: like that right so um i think it's it's much easier to get a staff report get some information

[2:05:57] Voice 12: and then next month we'll take another swing at it yeah okay

[2:06:02] Voice 14: on that note i'm just going to refer

[2:06:03] Voice 14: to staff maybe for some advice on on how we might proceed and whether if we're seeking a legal

[2:06:09] Voice 12: opinion whether it's better to do so prior to the first reading or uh or is concurrently okay

[2:06:18] Voice 7: please please go ahead yep i think the ltc has to ask the question what information

[2:06:24] Voice 7: information from whom are you looking for at this point is it just from legal if that's it or legal

[2:06:31] Voice 7: and staff then perhaps leave it in draft format and get the legal but if you're looking also for

[2:06:37] Voice 7: comments from community members agencies for local first nations then perhaps giving that first

[2:06:44] Voice 7: reading triggering that consultation requirement may be the option so i think you really have to

[2:06:51] Voice 7: think about what are what information for whom are you hoping to gain for at this point right now

[2:07:01] Voice 12: yes thank you for that uh uh

[2:07:04] Voice 2: chair yes sir

[2:07:05] Voice 2: may i also remind the ltc that uh current currently we

[2:07:09] Voice 2: we don't have a senior intergovernmental policy analyst so um which is our first nation specialist

[2:07:16] Voice 2: who would be the the the main point person in our organization to do so um i think that a staff

[2:07:25] Voice 2: report that come from uh probably a co-authorship between myself and a planner would just be a

[2:07:31] Voice 2: cursory view of the state of of this type of work in the province rather than like a an investigation

[2:07:38] Voice 2: or a deeper dive in how the implications of this bylaw.

[2:07:44] Voice 2: Perhaps legal would have a better understanding.

[2:07:47] Voice 2: I'm not sure.

[2:07:49] Voice 2: But then that's also just a technical analysis

[2:07:52] Voice 2: rather than hearing from First Nations

[2:07:57] Voice 2: and Indigenous knowledge holders and residents of Galliano.

[2:08:01] Voice 14: Okay.

[2:08:02] Voice 14: On that note, are you aware of something

[2:08:07] Voice 14: something i've asked so many times but but not in the last week are you aware is that posting out

[2:08:13] Voice 14: there is that is that position ben posted now uh

[2:08:17] Voice 2: chair i believe it has been yes it's posted but

[2:08:20] Voice 2: we so

[2:08:22] Voice 14: it may be filled sooner than later hopefully and and uh that's so that is a

[2:08:30] Voice 14: good consideration to think about um trustees thoughts on how to proceed at this point

[2:08:39] Voice 12: I don't think that we're actually able to do that. I can't think of a single instance in Canada where we have deferred current bylaw or law over individual society.

[2:08:55] Voice 12: I don't know where that's happened. We're talking about rights of status, federal status Indians, right?

[2:09:07] Voice 12: and i uh don't know that i am careful moving this forward with that with that clothes i can't i'm

[2:09:16] Voice 12: trying to figure out a mixture here my brain's brown right now but i think i don't think we're

[2:09:22] Voice 12: going to be able to move forward okay and have you uh have you got any

[2:09:27] Voice 12: emotions prepared for us

[2:09:29] Voice 12: i just want to capture the what what is here what are we asking for that yeah

[2:09:34] Voice 11: yeah that's that's perfectly reasonable because we

[2:09:37] Voice 11: want to have to define as much as possible yeah

[2:09:39] Voice 12: yeah absolutely um i guess we want to know the um right well i move to galena ltc um request a legal

[2:09:52] Voice 12: um legal advice around the inclusion of uh item p um for bylaw 283 consideration of

[2:10:14] Voice 12: I

[2:10:20] Voice 14: wonder just because this is a bit of a this is an important piece and I don't I don't

[2:10:26] Voice 14: want to I don't want to rush um and we're at 3 10 um we've got some new business coming

[2:10:37] Voice 14: up but I'm I'm wondering if it's uh reasonable just to take another short break um to work

[2:10:48] Voice 12: on this or i'm seeing a look of shock and surprise just

[2:10:53] Voice 14: because the crafting of motions on the fly is

[2:10:56] Voice 14: is less than ideal i mean the other the other option is is that we could uh if you want to

[2:11:03] Voice 14: defer this item to a little bit later in the meeting that's another option uh

[2:11:08] Voice 12: no i do think

[2:11:09] Voice 12: we can have it i just want to i do think we can get done through this most tonight

[2:11:13] Voice 12: night. The exemption with challenge under I want legal

[2:11:31] Voice 12: opinion, whether this Yeah, well, this motion aligns itself

[2:11:39] Voice 12: with the United Nations Declaration of Rights and

[2:11:41] Voice 12: individual indigenous people. Okay, that's

[2:11:48] Voice 12: legal. So there's a

[2:11:50] Voice 12: few different issues in here. That's why I'm sure it's really

[2:11:53] Voice 12: be important to our community yeah yeah no i get that this is important so we want to get it right

[2:11:59] Voice 14: um now i know that our minute taker is online today so i'm not sure what um she's managed to

[2:12:06] Voice 14: capture of that so far so do we want to hear back see what she's got and then sorry let

[2:12:13] Voice 6: me work on

[2:12:14] Voice 14: it some more

[2:12:14] Voice 12: it's a work in progress here so can we hear from you on that please okay

[2:12:18] Voice 6: um i i totally

[2:12:20] Voice 6: I missed the second part that the Galeano Local Trust Committee request a legal request legal

[2:12:26] Voice 6: advice regarding the inclusion of section P that's all I've got so far I'm sorry you can reword it

[2:12:34] Voice 6: now so the Galeano section

[2:12:38] Voice 12: P aligns itself with the United Nations Declaration of Rights

[2:12:44] Voice 12: and Indigenous Peoples Act can

[2:12:47] Voice 6: can you say that again please regarding the inclusion of the bylaw

[2:12:53] Voice 6: section p aligns with the here oh yeah

[2:12:58] Voice 4: yeah with

[2:13:00] Voice 14: undrip with

[2:13:03] Voice 6: I'm sorry do

[2:13:04] Voice 14: you want to do

[2:13:04] Voice 14: undrip and drip up

[2:13:05] Voice 6: yes please with

[2:13:07] Voice 12: undrip and drip up okay anything further to that uh well

[2:13:15] Voice 12: there's the issue of the amendment to the local government it's just a simple plan but i am so

[2:13:23] Voice 14: okay so i'm wondering

[2:13:27] Voice 7: enough yeah we can try to

[2:13:28] Voice 12: and then please yeah okay it's it's a big ask that's the thing yeah

[2:13:33] Voice 14: i know this is big stuff yeah it

[2:13:35] Voice 12: is and i think we should solve it if that's the conversation

[2:13:37] Voice 12: where we're going to go so do

[2:13:39] Voice 14: you want that to be in there okay can you repeat it again for

[2:13:42] Voice 14: the minute taker the last bit was oh

[2:13:47] Voice 12: sorry um it was

[2:13:49] Voice 14: aligned with um and the

[2:13:50] Voice 12: local government

[2:13:52] Voice 14: act

[2:13:56] Voice 6: okay i'm just going to pat back just to make sure hold on i'm

[2:14:00] Voice 13: so sorry uh i don't mean the local

[2:14:02] Voice 13: summer act i mean the land title act of bc oh

[2:14:05] Voice 3: the land title act of bc the

[2:14:07] Voice 6: local the land title act

[2:14:09] Voice 6: of bc okay

[2:14:10] Voice 3: not

[2:14:11] Voice 12: the local government yeah because

[2:14:13] Voice 12: they're the legislation that right okay yeah yeah

[2:14:15] Voice 12: that's the specific one you're you're wondering okay can i read

[2:14:20] Voice 11: it back to

[2:14:20] Voice 6: you make sure i got it

[2:14:21] Voice 6: can i read it back to make sure i got it

[2:14:24] Voice 12: okay let's hear back to see if you've captured that

[2:14:28] Voice 6: okay that the galliano local trust community requests legal advice regarding the inclusion

[2:14:36] Voice 6: Mayor Mrakas, I just had it on the acronyms and drip and dripper and the land land title act of BC so what you'd like that's your motion

[2:14:48] Voice 6: yeah okay

[2:14:49] Voice 9: so we'll take that motion as moves, then you have a second for that trustee me for the seconds and do you want to have any further discussion on this before we advance this either of you trustee maverick.

[2:15:04] Voice 9: so

[2:15:05] Voice 12: you're right this is important this is really important and um if anybody thinks

[2:15:12] i'm not pushing for this on every piece of business that we do so this is really important

[2:15:16] to get this league looking

[2:15:17] Voice 12: right because this whole dictate going forward where we

[2:15:22] Voice 12: what are our policies right so

[2:15:24] Voice 12: um yeah so i'll support okay thank you and i just want to um

[2:15:31] Voice 12: thank staff and both trustees for everyone for having patience to get us here because i i

[2:15:38] Voice 12: absolutely agree this is really important and we need we need the best advice we can get when we're

[2:15:44] Voice 12: we're moving into a space like this especially when there's not an obvious path when there's

[2:15:52] Voice 12: questions about you know the land title act that's an important thing we we certainly don't want to

[2:15:57] Voice 12: be fighting that battle out there with lots of unfortunately chair

[2:16:01] Voice 2: yes again i i apologize this

[2:16:06] Voice 2: is well out of my wheelhouse i i'm not a planner um but i'm just wondering if the land titled act

[2:16:13] Voice 2: is the most appropriate act here or if it's the local government act or

[2:16:21] Voice 14: we can we can add

[2:16:24] Voice 14: because if it's not applicable to one or the other then we won't get advice back on it so

[2:16:30] Voice 14: there's certainly no harm with adding

[2:16:31] Voice 3: the line title act into the motion um and

[2:16:34] Voice 3: i i would accept

[2:16:35] Voice 3: that as a as a moment amendment

[2:16:38] Voice 3: especially because it was mentioned earlier so you can add the land

[2:16:41] Voice 3: title or the local government act into that and

[2:16:45] Voice 2: and perhaps i would add the islands trust act in

[2:16:48] Voice 2: there too and

[2:16:49] Voice 12: the island trust why not let's make it

[2:16:52] Voice 12: up anything that's applicable it makes sense

[2:16:57] Voice 12: to get the whatever the implications are i totally agree

[2:16:59] Voice 2: yeah i mean i just you know when you ask a

[2:17:02] Voice 2: very narrow question you get a very narrow answer so maybe just applicable provincial and federal

[2:17:07] Voice 2: regulation i don't know how wide it gets because then it gets expensive but maybe i'll defer to

[2:17:12] Voice 2: planner chadwick there that

[2:17:14] Voice 5: that was actually what was on my mind is is is it might be yeah

[2:17:17] Voice 5: maybe maybe just identify um to leave it at applicable um provincial legislation because

[2:17:26] Voice 5: that seems to be where we're focusing applicable

[2:17:29] Voice 14: provincial legislation

[2:17:31] Voice 14: now is that i don't know

[2:17:32] Voice 12: okay so

[2:17:36] Voice 14: um then for the minute taker you've got the addition of the

[2:17:43] Voice 14: local government act

[2:17:44] Voice 14: in addition to the land title act so

[2:17:47] Voice 6: what i've got can i read it back

[2:17:49] Voice 6: to you yes please

[2:17:49] Voice 6: that the galliano local trust committee requests legal advice regarding the

[2:17:54] Voice 6: inclusion of the bylaw section p aligns with undrip and ripa and the islands trust act the

[2:18:01] Voice 6: local government act and the land title act of bc the

[2:18:07] Voice 14: island's trust act was in there yeah okay so

[2:18:10] Voice 14: are we happy with this now

[2:18:11] Voice 11: okay

[2:18:12] Voice 14: uh and no further discussion all right all in favor

[2:18:17] Voice 14: okay that carries and uh so the question is trustees whether we want to do any more action

[2:18:28] Voice 14: on this item today uh

[2:18:30] Voice 12: my thinking is now that we have this legal opinion coming and we are at

[2:18:34] Voice 12: we can make amendments later it's not up in public hearing information like the legal review i would

[2:18:46] Voice 12: be comfortable giving first readings okay

[2:18:49] Voice 14: trustee maybe any thoughts um

[2:18:52] Voice 12: unamended yeah uncomfortable

[2:18:54] Voice 12: all right then

[2:18:56] Voice 12: there's some motions there on

[2:18:58] Voice 9: page 66 i believe

[2:19:07] Voice 12: you sure all right i move the galliano local trust committee uh bylaw number 283 cited as

[2:19:15] Voice 12: galliano official community plan bylaw number one uh 08 1995 amendment number one 2022 be read the

[2:19:24] Voice 12: first time second

[2:19:26] Voice 14: in the motion motion seconded any further discussion all in favor okay

[2:19:32] Voice 12: to the

[2:19:33] Voice 12: the land sorry galliano island local trust committee bylaw number 284 cited as galliano

[2:19:39] Voice 12: island land use bylaw number 127 1999 amendment number one 2022 be read for the first time

[2:19:48] Voice 14: so we'll have been seconded any further discussion all in favor uh motions carried

[2:19:57] Voice 13: uh

[2:19:57] Voice 12: i'm with the galliano local trust committee as i can't move that i'm sorry as we review the

[2:20:04] Voice 12: alice trust policy statement directives only checklist and determine that bylaw 283 cited

[2:20:09] Voice 12: as galliano official community plan bylaw number 108 1995 amendment number one 2022 and bylaw number

[2:20:17] Voice 12: 284 cited as galliano land use bylaw 127 uh 1999 amendment number one 2022 are not contrary or at

[2:20:29] Voice 12: variance to the outside statements so

[2:20:32] Voice 14: moved and i have a seconder seconded any further discussion

[2:20:37] Voice 14: all in favor motion carries

[2:20:44] of the galliano island world trust committee request staff

[2:20:47] schedule a public hearing for

[2:20:49] Voice 12: violence number 283 and tweet so

[2:20:51] Voice 14: moved uh seconded

[2:20:54] Voice 14: uh any further discussion um the only thing i would note is that um

[2:21:00] Voice 14: uh

[2:21:01] Voice 12: i would suggest that trustees uh might want to be in receipt of the legal in uh opinion that we

[2:21:10] Voice 12: just uh just requested before the the public hearing so that may well affect the scheduling

[2:21:17] Voice 12: um just first out nope uh any further on this motion i'll call the question all in favor

[2:21:24] Voice 12: and that motion carries as well all right we

[2:21:28] Voice 14: have made some progress uh through that

[2:21:34] Voice 9: which brings us to section 16 we have the work program reports attached anything from staff on

[2:21:44] Voice 9: work program anything from trustees on the work program today no okay uh we have applications

[2:21:56] Voice 12: Communications report dated March 2023 anything on that from staff

[2:22:00] Voice 11: trustees

[2:22:01] Voice 14: okay uh trustee

[2:22:07] Voice 14: local and expense report dated January 2023 attached any questions adopted policies and

[2:22:15] Voice 14: standing resolutions attached any questions on that 16.3 on page 97

[2:22:24] Voice 12: local trust committee

[2:22:30] Voice 12: any webpage from anyone i'm stressed conservancy report dated february 2023 questions around that

[2:22:40] Voice 14: at all

[2:22:41] Voice 4: okay that

[2:22:43] Voice 14: takes us to new business and uh we have 17.1 the main lpc request regarding

[2:22:52] Voice 14: writing a siting and

[2:22:52] Voice 12: use permit option page 105 anything from staff on this one

[2:22:58] Voice 4: no um

[2:23:01] Voice 12: and this is i see this has been referred to us oh right

[2:23:07] Voice 11: anything from trustees on this item this point trustee maberly um

[2:23:15] Voice 12: yeah i think this

[2:23:18] Voice 12: is already being in discussions with um crd and and adam olsen and i'm not sure uh a whole lot

[2:23:27] Voice 12: about what we can do to forward it at the table here today i think it's already in process in

[2:23:31] Voice 12: other forums so i think it would be best to sort of see where that leads i mean i know the recent

[2:23:36] question earlier about whether crd was going to give up permits the permitting process this is not

[2:23:43] quite what that

[2:23:43] Voice 8: refers to it talks about it's more about simplifying for rural communities

[2:23:49] Voice 8: the permitting process and the inspection process so i think

[2:23:53] Voice 12: it would be better in my opinion

[2:23:55] Voice 12: to see where it goes in the

[2:23:57] Voice 8: other forums and um and

[2:24:00] Voice 12: then maybe bring it back later if there's

[2:24:01] Voice 12: something that the actual you know the c might want

[2:24:04] Voice 12: to do okay uh yes um it's an interesting

[2:24:10] Voice 12: interesting idea, of course. It sounds like it's going to be a great deal of time for

[2:24:16] Voice 12: the CRD to push their responsibilities, it seems to be. Yes, I think it was a comment

[2:24:26] Voice 12: they made earlier, too, that the permits would be issued by the Secretary of the IT, and

[2:24:30] Voice 12: that sounds like a new job position, which also will tend to re-vote the passing. Re-vote

[2:24:41] Voice 12: study use permits, playing a role of getting around by-law enforcement. Applicants would

[2:24:46] Voice 12: have to uh could i'm not saying would be but i have been here building from a process myself

[2:24:54] Voice 12: but i know that sometimes you can not say things it's honest so just being honest here transparency

[2:25:00] Voice 12: um which would come which could compound issues for compliance of our bylaws uh we'd be relying

[2:25:07] Voice 12: on the applicant to be eligible enough to consider the bylaws and dpas for in their development plans

[2:25:14] Voice 12: uh there's also issues that other regulatory bodies could be involved

[2:25:19] Voice 12: aligning approval requirements could actually increase costs and timelines for applicants

[2:25:25] Voice 12: which i believe is the main issue that needs to be alleviated with the current

[2:25:29] Voice 12: crd building permit programs to bring the matter that we're seeing of building permits to not

[2:25:37] Voice 12: but it's been proposed for the of your practices to be updated first step

[2:25:43] Voice 14: okay thank you and i'll

[2:25:45] Voice 14: just make uh just a couple of comments um uh the uh letter from uh the main island trustee and uh

[2:25:55] Voice 14: vice chair maude mentions that they'd like some feedback to be passed on to director brett as

[2:26:02] Voice 14: whether there's interest among the islands to pursue this is an option so that's from the letter

[2:26:06] Voice 14: um the other thing that uh uh in discussions with members of the galliano public uh another option

[2:26:15] Voice 14: is that

[2:26:16] Voice 9: uh uh you could uh or we could uh if we wanted to investigate um an existing

[2:26:25] Voice 9: setting and use permit uh morbid island has those uh if we wanted to get some more information

[2:26:32] Voice 9: we could potentially ask at APC or a similar group to have a look at those, see if that, give us some advice.

[2:26:43] Voice 9: Is this an appropriate thing that Galliano wants to actively pursue, or do we want to wait and see what the CRD is doing?

[2:26:51] Voice 9: So I'll just put those thoughts for you to consider and check the neighbor.

[2:26:56] Voice 12: Yeah,

[2:26:57] Voice 9: I mean, I think, thanks a lot. I think that's a

[2:26:59] Voice 12: great idea. We haven't really asked APC to do anything at this point.

[2:27:02] Voice 12: So, it's a good project to put some more time.

[2:27:06] Voice 12: Do we need a motion for that?

[2:27:08] Voice 12: We would need a motion for that.

[2:27:10] Voice 12: I move that the Local Trust Committee ask the APC to investigate the siting and use options in relation to Galliano Island.

[2:27:23] Voice 12: Second that.

[2:27:24] Voice 12: Did you get that, minute taker?

[2:27:27] Voice 6: No. Could you please repeat that? I'm so sorry.

[2:27:30] Voice 12: A little bit louder.

[2:27:31] Voice 12: I move that the

[2:27:32] Voice 8: Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[2:27:36] Voice 8: tasked the apc with investigating

[2:27:40] Voice 12: and citing and use options um in relation to galliano island

[2:27:45] Voice 4: okay

[2:27:52] Voice 6: i'll just read that back to you is that okay please

[2:27:54] Voice 14: um

[2:27:55] Voice 6: that the galliano local trust

[2:27:58] Voice 6: committee tasked the apc with investigating citing and use options in relation to canada

[2:28:03] Voice 6: galliano island yep

[2:28:06] Voice 9: okay that's moved and seconded uh any further discussion

[2:28:14] Voice 9: all right we've called question on that and that motion carries

[2:28:20] Voice 9: okay anything further on this item today trustees

[2:28:27] Voice 9: uh not seeing any our next item is 17.2 which is a notice of motion to replace standing resolution

[2:28:38] Voice 9: 2019 053 that's on page 106 um and there is a person this is the one that went out

[2:28:50] Voice 9: yeah that was mentioned it has gone out into the local paper or something um

[2:28:56] Voice 12: i mean i've seen it

[2:28:56] Voice 12: but it's so it's known in the community uh we

[2:29:06] Voice 9: have this before us um we could start with the motion

[2:29:10] Voice 9: and then have conversation, which is a little more pro forma than having conversation,

[2:29:16] Voice 9: and then a motion that I have at your discretion, Trustee Mabry.

[2:29:20] Voice 12: Yeah, so I'm going to want to thank the conversations that we had today.

[2:29:28] Voice 12: I want to thank Janine for her input.

[2:29:30] Voice 12: And so I

[2:29:31] Voice 8: actually would like to amend my motion.

[2:29:36] Voice 12: So does staff have a copy of the motion of standing resolution?

[2:29:41] Voice 12: resolution specifically what we want the minute

[2:29:43] Voice 12: taker to have it read the whole thing up because

[2:29:47] Voice 12: that seems like it's going to be hard to well

[2:29:49] Voice 14: it is proper for you to be okay

[2:29:51] Voice 12: sure you know

[2:29:53] Voice 14: if you're going to amend it perhaps we can just uh you can just make it really clear for the minute

[2:30:00] Voice 14: so she can yeah

[2:30:02] Voice 12: that's going

[2:30:03] Voice 14: to be at right

[2:30:04] Voice 12: so we're going to replace local first nations

[2:30:07] Voice 12: organizations with knowledge holders okay

[2:30:11] Voice 14: so does that appear just to what's no it appears under a

[2:30:17] Voice 14: b local first

[2:30:19] Voice 12: nations okay um

[2:30:21] Voice 14: it's under uh organizations shows up at a c and d

[2:30:28] Voice 14: yeah indeed and so you want every every occurrence of organizations to be replaced with knowledge

[2:30:35] Voice 14: holders with knowledge holders okay

[2:30:39] Voice 6: okay

[2:30:41] Voice 12: you got that and we're going to strike um yeah um direct

[2:30:47] Voice 12: staff not to take enforcement action against indigenous peoples in regards to their traditional

[2:30:50] Voice 12: inherent rights because we just asked for a legal opinion right okay so we're going to strike

[2:30:55] Voice 12: strike f

[2:30:55] Voice 6: okay so

[2:30:57] Voice 12: that would be my motion sorry you want to read it out there any other amendments

[2:31:00] Voice 12: for you okay please proceed try and try and get through this um that the local trust committee

[2:31:07] Voice 12: seek to engage in reconciliation with local first nations governments and the island community

[2:31:13] Voice 12: by honoring the truth and reconciliation permission calls to action united nations

[2:31:19] Voice 12: declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples under draft principles that guide

[2:31:24] Voice 12: the Province of British Columbia's relationship with Indigenous Peoples and the Islands Trust's

[2:31:28] Voice 12: First Nations Engagement Principles. The Local Trust Committee endeavors to annually write a

[2:31:35] Voice 12: letter to all local First Nations knowledge holders, introducing trustees and staff,

[2:31:40] Voice 12: and provide a schedule of known Local Trust Committee meetings for the upcoming year,

[2:31:45] Voice 12: as well as provide an update of current projects and advocacy activities. For all Local Trust

[2:31:52] Voice 12: committee meetings invite local knowledge holders to attend meetings as well as provide a traditional

[2:31:57] Voice 12: welcome to their territory if they would like work with local first nation governments and knowledge

[2:32:03] Voice 12: holders on cooperative initiatives including but not limited to language place names territorial

[2:32:09] Voice 12: acknowledgements community education on post salish and local first nations cultural heritage

[2:32:15] Voice 12: and history work with local first nations governments and knowledge holders on engagement

[2:32:22] Voice 12: principles for inclusive land use marine use climate change planning advocacy protection

[2:32:28] Voice 12: and stewardship and knowledge and information sharing protocols establish and maintain dialogue

[2:32:35] Voice 12: with local first nations and knowledge holders now and into the future based on respect recognition

[2:32:41] Voice 12: of aboriginal rights entitled treaty rights traditional rights and first nations traditional

[2:32:47] Voice 12: traditional territories within the violence trust area okay just before I ask for a second Eric sure

[2:32:53] Voice 12: I think I heard something that I'm

[2:32:54] Voice 14: not sure the minute taker got because in section B I don't

[2:32:59] Voice 14: think you identified uh it said in the written form it says invite local First Nations and I

[2:33:05] Voice 14: believe you said no uh knowledge holders there is that correct

[2:33:09] Voice 12: the First Nations and knowledge

[2:33:11] Voice 12: knowledge holders so did you get that on the minutes okay

[2:33:15] Voice 6: so in b um for all local trust

[2:33:18] Voice 6: committee meetings invite um local first nations and knowledge holders and

[2:33:24] Voice 12: meetings as well as

[2:33:25] Voice 12: providers correct okay so you'd say and knowledge holders there okay that was the only

[2:33:31] Voice 14: thing that i

[2:33:32] Voice 14: caught in terms of your verbal thing and um and i'm just noticing and this is entirely up to you

[2:33:40] Voice 14: but i'm noticing that uh drippa

[2:33:43] Voice 9: is not specifically mentioned in this and i don't know if that was uh

[2:33:47] Voice 9: your intent or not um well it's so i'm

[2:33:49] Voice 8: amending a standing resolution that already exists

[2:33:52] Voice 8: and so that wasn't mentioned in that standing resolution as well and so um

[2:33:58] Voice 12: i'm not sure we've

[2:34:00] Voice 12: even got the guidelines of tripping we do a hundred but i'm not sure we've gotten even the

[2:34:05] Voice 12: well and i will note that drippa is uh provincially isn't work in progress yeah right um so i just

[2:34:13] Voice 12: wanted to just point that out it's uh it's up to you if you want that included in your

[2:34:18] Voice 12: in your motion or not i don't think it's necessary okay um

[2:34:23] Voice 9: so i'm going to go ahead

[2:34:24] Voice 9: and look for a seconder

[2:34:25] Voice 12: uh i would second it but i do have two other changes okay i don't know what

[2:34:31] Voice 12: the process is there so uh if why don't we hear your amendment uh and and and if trustee maverly

[2:34:42] Voice 12: feels they're friendly then we'll we'll go from there so i'm just gonna

[2:34:46] Voice 12: ask you to speak loudly

[2:34:50] Voice 12: so that the minute could take her can hopefully grab them as we go along and i'll try and take

[2:34:55] Voice 12: notes too great um and clause b um adding for all um the words for all i believe this might be

[2:35:07] Voice 12: cumbersome and problematic uh to maintain if we were to help this for every meeting i love the

[2:35:13] Voice 12: idea of doing it but who gets to choose who's invited um surely it should be direction from

[2:35:20] Voice 12: the ltc committee i'd like to discuss that closer i know we touched on it earlier in the day

[2:35:27] Voice 12: um it needs to this needs to be more defined to ensure that this process is non-discriminatory

[2:35:34] Voice 12: and is a representational all local first nations on galliano i'd like to see a little more planning

[2:35:40] Voice 12: around so we can take we're all out we've returned um what did it say before sorry it said many

[2:35:56] Voice 12: i guess that there's if i can there's just a little uh bit of interpretation there which is

[2:36:04] Voice 12: whether we're sending individual in invitations out every meeting or that we're in general

[2:36:11] Voice 12: inviting to

[2:36:12] Voice 12: all meetings because that is the difference yeah like

[2:36:17] Voice 12: and in terms of every time

[2:36:19] Voice 12: we have a meeting are we sending out an invitation are we sending out an invitation saying please

[2:36:23] Voice 12: feel welcome you know

[2:36:24] Voice 9: please come to our all our meetings and here's

[2:36:27] Voice 3: our schedule because those

[2:36:28] Voice 3: are two different things i agree yeah so um back

[2:36:31] Voice 9: to you i'm sorry um

[2:36:32] Voice 12: so yeah i propose taking that

[2:36:34] Voice 12: part out and we're going to get back to the original wording which i'm so sorry

[2:36:50] Voice 14: wording of the original standing well

[2:36:53] Voice 3: it should be in our wouldn't it

[2:36:55] Voice 14: be in our um

[2:36:57] Voice 3: it should be in our agenda package

[2:37:00] Voice 12: here correct the understanding

[2:37:02] Voice 12: standing resolutions

[2:37:24] Voice 4: okay

[2:37:29] Voice 12: so is that your intention there is to change that back to various instead of all

[2:37:33] Voice 12: yeah for now i certainly entertain changing that later in the future

[2:37:37] Voice 12: but i

[2:37:38] Voice 12: don't know how we can do it without having that conversation about how

[2:37:41] Voice 12: i just sent out invites to the consulting well

[2:37:49] Voice 9: on this i mean i think the standing

[2:37:50] Voice 9: resolution is really speaking

[2:37:52] Voice 12: to the ltc taking

[2:37:54] Voice 11: this action um you know as a body

[2:37:58] Voice 14: uh okay that said uh was there other yeah there's one more

[2:38:02] Voice 12: item e um government to government

[2:38:08] Voice 12: it kind of removes the conversation from uh nation to nation i just want to see that look back in

[2:38:17] Voice 9: government government in establish and maintain section

[2:38:21] Voice 11: e go

[2:38:23] Voice 6: ahead read that

[2:38:28] Voice 12: establishment um establish and maintain government uh dialogue with local first

[2:38:35] Voice 12: nations and knowledge holders now into the future based on respect and recognition for

[2:38:40] Voice 12: wrap original rights and title and treat and then I actually want to remove traditional rights

[2:38:45] Voice 12: as well because I don't know the definition of that term so that we can find it

[2:38:50] Voice 4: so

[2:38:50] Voice 12: I'd like to

[2:38:51] Voice 12: pull that out again we can talk about it later um and then continues and first nations traditional

[2:38:57] Voice 12: territories within the island's trust area okay did

[2:39:03] Voice 4: you get that okay

[2:39:04] Voice 4: uh

[2:39:05] Voice 6: I'm sorry

[2:39:06] Voice 6: I just missed the first part establish and maintain dialogue with the local

[2:39:11] Voice 6: so

[2:39:12] Voice 4: it's government to government maintain

[2:39:14] Voice 6: government okay government government dialogue

[2:39:18] Voice 6: okay that's what i missed and

[2:39:21] Voice 14: then what was the other

[2:39:21] Voice 6: did you get the other sections

[2:39:22] Voice 6: and and then remove um tradition uh traditional rights out of the um pardon me establish and

[2:39:31] Voice 6: maintain government to government dialogue with local first nations and knowledge holders

[2:39:35] Voice 6: now and into the future based on respect and recognition of aboriginal rights

[2:39:39] Voice 6: entitle treaty rights and First Nations traditional territories within the land

[2:39:46] Voice 6: trust area and take out the traditional rights, right?

[2:39:49] Voice 12: Correct. Yeah, okay. Okay.

[2:39:55] Voice 14: I'm realizing I probably should have done this a little bit different from the

[2:39:59] Voice 14: process

[2:40:00] Voice 12: end of things. However, I'm just going to go to Trustee

[2:40:04] Voice 12: neighbourly and ask if you're okay with those edits at this time. Yeah, I'm good

[2:40:10] Voice 12: with the friend the friendly amendments i mean i think taking the traditional rights up we're

[2:40:15] Voice 12: getting a legal opinion so we're gonna have clarification on that government government

[2:40:19] Voice 12: is fine and various not not great on that i mean i think we shouldn't be inviting um

[2:40:25] Voice 8: all of our

[2:40:26] Voice 8: indigenous partners to every meeting right so i'm not sure if we

[2:40:31] Voice 12: should be inviting them to various

[2:40:33] Voice 12: meetings as you

[2:40:34] Voice 8: know just inviting meetings

[2:40:35] Voice 12: that we choose to

[2:40:36] Voice 8: invite them to

[2:40:37] Voice 12: but having them to

[2:40:38] Voice 12: to attend the meetings that they choose to,

[2:40:41] Voice 8: right?

[2:40:42] Voice 12: So I really don't,

[2:40:45] Voice 12: I'm just not gonna make or break the resolution, right?

[2:40:47] Voice 9: Yeah, and I certainly heard from Trustee Gavriel

[2:40:51] Voice 9: a willingness to revisit this

[2:40:53] Voice 9: and maybe the

[2:40:54] Voice 9: best time to do that

[2:40:55] Voice 9: is after we've got some of that advice back

[2:40:58] Voice 9: that we've requested.

[2:41:00] Voice 9: So that being the case,

[2:41:03] Voice 9: this motion that's as friendly amended,

[2:41:06] Voice 9: is there any further on this today?

[2:41:10] Voice 9: and that case i will

[2:41:12] Voice 12: call the question all those in favor and that motion carries

[2:41:19] Voice 12: find out where we are right i took my state my

[2:41:24] Voice 12: clip off my file here never take the clip

[2:41:28] Voice 9: off the file okay so our next item is 17.3

[2:41:33] Voice 9: uh wise island bylaw enforcement and we have

[2:41:37] Voice 12: a staff report who is uh going to present on this

[2:41:41] Voice 12: for us this morning i

[2:41:44] Voice 1: am online on all

[2:41:47] Voice 12: right uh

[2:41:49] Voice 9: please proceed so

[2:41:52] Voice 1: chair local trust committee a

[2:41:53] Voice 1: in order to deal with the uh number of issues raised over wise island and the enforcement

[2:41:59] Voice 1: issues over the past five years staff report was prepared with your bylaw enforcement policy

[2:42:05] Voice 1: options for the island you have two recommendations um to deal with the specific issues to

[2:42:12] Voice 1: in regards to section 2.14 of the land use bylaw

[2:42:16] Voice 1: regarding the setback from the natural boundary of the sea

[2:42:20] Voice 1: and any bylaw violation notices that have been issued

[2:42:25] Voice 1: for that contravention.

[2:42:28] Voice 1: The report before you summarizes the bylaw enforcement activities

[2:42:32] Voice 1: and it also gives you your enforcement options

[2:42:36] Voice 1: that you may wish to consider.

[2:42:38] Voice 1: um i would just there there have been i think in the reference in the report here there's six

[2:42:45] Voice 1: current open files there's five hours five files that have been closed um and primarily yes dealing

[2:42:52] Voice 1: with the solar panels but also with some decks and other small structures in the setback from the sea

[2:42:59] Voice 1: i would like to point out that um the complaints come from more than one individual and there has

[2:43:07] Voice 1: been a concern from multiple complainants over the encroachment on the setback from the sea

[2:43:14] Voice 1: not just for the solar panels but also for for some other structures and also as I reference

[2:43:21] Voice 1: in the report there really is a proliferation of those solar panels around the island and

[2:43:27] Voice 1: when I've observed them in the past they were just they were too numerous to all pursue all of them

[2:43:34] Voice 1: uh but um it's uh as some of the complainants would state it's come a bit of an eyesore

[2:43:41] Voice 1: with with the number of solar panels that have been put up um and overall the enforcement

[2:43:47] Voice 1: activities have not been about trying to prohibit the use of the solar panels but to ensure that

[2:43:53] Voice 1: there are uh you know lawfully cited uh panels you know they're not you know there's other options

[2:44:01] Voice 1: and locations where they can be sited on the property

[2:44:04] Voice 1: in order for people to draw power from them.

[2:44:12] Voice 1: So, yes, at the previous meeting, the issue was raised

[2:44:15] Voice 1: and you may wish to do a wise island bylaw review

[2:44:20] Voice 1: and in consideration of that, the report was prepared.

[2:44:24] Voice 1: And so you have the two recommendations,

[2:44:27] Voice 1: one and two at the beginning of the report,

[2:44:29] Voice 1: but you also have the option if you wish to proceed,

[2:44:32] Voice 1: You could close those current files, it's not recommended, but that is an option that is available to you, or you can go forward with the two recommendations and defer that enforcement until you can complete the review of the bylaws for Wise Island.

[2:44:49] Voice 1: Are there any questions?

[2:44:52] Voice 9: Questions from trustees?

[2:44:57] Voice 12: uh dr maverly yeah

[2:44:59] Voice 12: just one question um when you were looking at all of the um solar panels and

[2:45:04] Voice 12: that um is there or are there other locations where um you know keeping in mind that that

[2:45:15] Voice 12: there is no power to this island um in your opinion was there were there other options

[2:45:21] Voice 12: is available there's

[2:45:25] Voice 1: the the most viable option really is just a roof mounted panels for the

[2:45:30] Voice 1: majority of the properties and there are areas on these properties where they could have erected

[2:45:36] Voice 1: them outside of the setback a 7.5 meter setback is actually uh very small there are a number of

[2:45:44] Voice 1: islands that have 15 meter setbacks which is considerable but the 7.5 meter setback

[2:45:50] Voice 1: you know isn't actually very large and it's also a development permit area

[2:45:56] Voice 1: that is set for galliano and well wise island and if you do a lot of work in those areas you

[2:46:03] Voice 1: may also need a development permit so there are areas on the majority of these lots where yes

[2:46:09] Voice 1: they can place their solar solar panels so that they're not in the setback and in fact that's

[2:46:14] Voice 1: That's what many landowners have done.

[2:46:17] Voice 12: Any other questions for Mr. Gaidman?

[2:46:24] Voice 12: Not really too many questions, I am not favorably against the current bylaw enforcement.

[2:46:35] Voice 12: Bylaws are often open due to complaints from the community.

[2:46:40] Voice 12: The current bylaw enforcement in my opinion may only solve half the problem, it will actually

[2:46:47] Voice 12: create a new one where we are actively not listening to people in our community.

[2:46:54] Voice 12: Yeah we'll be voting in favor of these recommendations. I believe the solution

[2:46:59] Voice 12: though there is opportunity here and the solution is an OCP review. We're going to need to look

[2:47:06] Voice 12: at our OCP through the lens of the day for a lot of issues but I believe that is the most efficient

[2:47:14] Voice 12: a democratic and cleanest way to reach a consensus

[2:47:18] Voice 12: in the community.

[2:47:19] Voice 12: And I also believe that's the foundation of our bylaws.

[2:47:22] Voice 12: So that's why I'm reluctant to defer to them.

[2:47:27] Voice 12: Okay, thank you for that.

[2:47:29] Voice 12: Trustee Napoli, anything?

[2:47:30] Voice 12: No, I actually have a favor of recommendations.

[2:47:33] Voice 12: I think, you know, Trustee Gavreau may be right.

[2:47:39] Voice 12: I love doing OCP review and that, but, you know,

[2:47:44] Voice 12: I just came from Martin's Trust Council meeting

[2:47:46] Voice 12: meeting where there was no chance of that happening in this fiscal year so that's a whole year um so

[2:47:52] Voice 12: so for me we're not doing anything but just deferring um we would hope that um the residents

[2:48:01] Voice 12: of wise island don't take this as an opportunity to construct more um solar panels or do more work

[2:48:09] Voice 12: within this area until some resolution has been reached in regard to um a wise island bylaw for

[2:48:19] Voice 12: you but um yeah i'm in favor of the recommendations and um i think probably the best thing to do is

[2:48:25] Voice 12: for me to make a motion for the recommendations and then see where we go from there what do you

[2:48:30] Voice 12: think all right

[2:48:31] Voice 14: that's uh you're welcome to proceed

[2:48:33] Voice 12: yeah i moved

[2:48:34] Voice 8: out of the galliano local

[2:48:35] Voice 8: Local Trust Committee defer enforcement on Wise Island

[2:48:38] Voice 8: for any solar panels, stairs, or decks

[2:48:39] Voice 8: sited within the setback from a natural boundary with the sea

[2:48:42] Voice 8: and contributing section 2.14 of the Land Use By-law

[2:48:46] Voice 8: number 127 until a Wise Island By-law review is completed.

[2:48:50] Voice 8: And two, that the Galliano Local Trust Committee

[2:48:53] Voice 8: direct staff that the

[2:48:55] Voice 12: adjudication process

[2:48:56] Voice 12: for any disputed violation notices for section 2.14

[2:49:00] Voice 12: be placed on hold until a Wise Island By-law review

[2:49:03] Voice 12: is completed.

[2:49:04] Voice 12: you okay so moved and uh mentioned several

[2:49:10] Voice 14: times at trust council i'm going to second the motion

[2:49:13] Voice 14: for the for the sake of discussion which does not necessarily mean that i am endorsing the motion

[2:49:20] Voice 14: thank you

[2:49:21] Voice 14: and so further discussion

[2:49:24] Voice 9: yeah

[2:49:26] Voice 4: i mean i'll just go

[2:49:28] Voice 12: back to my point i just don't see

[2:49:31] Voice 12: um a timeline um in front of me that says we will have a resolution for wise island

[2:49:40] Voice 12: in the near future so i mean i think what we're doing then is we're we're we've identified a

[2:49:50] Voice 12: problem and um and i i spend

[2:49:55] Voice 8: a lot of time around them where i understand how these small islands

[2:49:59] Voice 8: are affected by by rules that the bigger islands nearby put on them and um and sometimes we forget

[2:50:06] Voice 8: that you know these are boat access these are and they have no roads they have no electricity

[2:50:13] Voice 8: they're they're they're different and and to say that there's a setback for galley animals the same

[2:50:20] Voice 8: as the setback for white island i think it's um i just don't think that's right it's it's not the

[2:50:28] Voice 12: thing and so i think you know we look for a a path forward but we don't punish people

[2:50:39] Voice 8: and generally i mean i would say probably a lot of these structures

[2:50:43] Voice 8: were put in a long time ago and

[2:50:46] Voice 12: uh you know that's that's that's my favorite

[2:50:57] Voice 12: yeah i do feel that the shores there are the same here and need the same consideration our

[2:51:05] Voice 12: marine life is the same no matter where you live i think um there is opportunity for variance

[2:51:13] Voice 12: for the for the applicants to pursue so there are solutions out there that can be explored rather

[2:51:20] Voice 12: rather than a blanket pile on the floor.

[2:51:26] Voice 12: I don't know that that would prove to be

[2:51:28] Voice 12: in the community's best interest overall,

[2:51:30] Voice 12: and I think that's a terrible question.

[2:51:35] Voice 14: Okay, thank you for that.

[2:51:36] Voice 14: And this is the fun part as the chair from off island

[2:51:41] Voice 14: where I get to weigh in and share a little bit

[2:51:45] Voice 14: of my thoughts before I call the question.

[2:51:48] Voice 14: um you know when i've had a decision making uh situations in my local trust area um i when it's

[2:52:03] Voice 14: tough i refer back to the to the land use bylaw to the official community plan and uh and i do

[2:52:13] Voice 14: do agree that when we have bylaws we don't enforce them it is problematic and i actually think that

[2:52:25] Voice 14: it's more appropriate if we have a problem with the bylaw to repeal the bylaw than to choose to

[2:52:33] Voice 14: not enforce and uh so having said that i'm i'm inclined to not support this motion for those

[2:52:42] Voice 14: reasons i'll

[2:52:46] Voice 9: just ask if there's any more discussion before we call the vote here

[2:52:51] Voice 9: no more discussion okay so i'll call the vote all those in favor and those opposed the motion fails

[2:53:01] Voice 9: all right so that will bring us to upcoming meetings our next

[2:53:11] Voice 14: regular meeting is scheduled

[2:53:12] Voice 14: for april 11th 2023

[2:53:14] Voice 14: at south community

[2:53:15] Voice 9: hall here on galliano we do have a town hall section

[2:53:21] Voice 9: scheduled i will note we're running a bit over time but i do want to give opportunity uh for

[2:53:28] Voice 9: conversations a

[2:53:29] Voice 14: discussion that was

[2:53:30] Voice 12: deferred earlier so i'll just look for a show of hands

[2:53:34] Voice 12: let's see two two hands i'm going to start with you in the back is it sharp

[2:53:44] Voice 7: I want to thank everybody,

[2:53:46] Voice 12: I especially want to thank the trust council for having a conversation

[2:53:51] Voice 12: that really you feel is a disconcert when you come to change things that should have been changed or

[2:53:58] Voice 12: are not right. I want to thank Ben for bringing that motion

[2:54:02] Voice 7: forward because it causes a discussion

[2:54:06] Voice 7: So it causes people to talk, it causes people to think about where they are and what they're doing.

[2:54:11] Voice 7: The fact of the matter is, we have Drupal, we have UNDRIP, and

[2:54:15] Voice 12: UNDRIP, Article 24, 25, 26, all state that Indigenous people have the right to do what they want on their land.

[2:54:23] Voice 12: And it doesn't mention anything about peace and hope or whatever.

[2:54:26] Voice 12: However, when you talk about legal rights, we talk about the 276 cases that have been before the Supreme Court, and all of them, the First Nations people at one, there is legal precedent. And there is, it should make your life easier if you do that, if you think about that.

[2:54:41] Voice 12: So indigenous people have been listening and we've had to go through everything that the white person has said.

[2:54:50] Voice 12: We've had to live on deserts, we've had to live, we've had to go to school, we've had to go to school, but all of a sudden they're stopping.

[2:54:58] Voice 7: You know, I'm on the First Nations Fisheries Council and we're looking apart at UNDRIP and we're seeing where every case is identified in UNDRIP.

[2:55:06] Voice 7: And we are breaking that under

[2:55:09] Voice 12: all articles apart, and we know that article

[2:55:12] Voice 7: 2425 is where you should be looking.

[2:55:16] Voice 7: Now, as it pertains to individual rights versus the whole of rights, we have a case in D.C. that I was personally a part of, and that's Willitson v. D.C.

[2:55:29] Voice 12: and the bulletin lost it because

[2:55:31] Voice 7: there is no average on right and there is no average on title

[2:55:35] Voice 7: with an individual an

[2:55:37] Voice 12: individual that's not both title and average of right and that is through the

[2:55:40] Voice 12: supreme court dc there's only average on right and there's only average on title with the whole

[2:55:47] Voice 12: with the nation which is why we are the co-sales people of galiana libel we are a nation and we

[2:55:54] Voice 12: We define, by UNDRIP, we define who we are, and we define that we're Indigenous, and we define that we're a government.

[2:56:01] Voice 7: So I love the discomfort, and I just wanted to say that it was a great conversation.

[2:56:07] Voice 7: I think that for the Islands Trust Committee, I want to say to you that you have a lot of work ahead of you.

[2:56:14] Voice 7: When you hear the questions and when you hear the comments, it kind of tells you who your audience is and what you have to do and what you have to learn.

[2:56:22] Voice 7: when i hear you know the discomfort up there there's a lot of work to be had

[2:56:27] Voice 12: and it's going

[2:56:28] Voice 12: to be uncomfortable so keep going and keep you know inviting people there are a lot of there

[2:56:34] Voice 12: are a lot of indigenous organizations that can help you you don't have to reinvent the wheel

[2:56:38] Voice 12: here we already have our court cases we already know who we are so i just wanted to point that

[2:56:43] Voice 12: out and say thank you and i will be attending the meeting whether or not you're right

[2:56:49] Voice 12: thank you for that uh in front here please uh

[2:56:53] Voice 7: jane wolverton um i just wanted to speak in favor

[2:56:57] Voice 7: of an ocp review and i know that um there's the issue of budget but when i look back to the uh

[2:57:05] Voice 7: review between 2009 2011 it was very low cost it was community-led there were a ton of community

[2:57:13] Voice 7: committees that looked at all aspects of the OCP and then made recommendations to

[2:57:18] Voice 7: the the LDC and I think that that is the way that you can bring some consensus

[2:57:23] Voice 7: about the forests about water about Wise Island all of those kinds of things come

[2:57:30] Voice 7: together and so I would really urge the LDC to look at that approach which was

[2:57:39] Voice 7: it was very low cost it would come within the um until you get to the end until you make the

[2:57:45] Voice 7: recommendations and they have to be put into ocp language it's actually very low cost so i would

[2:57:54] Voice 7: urge you to consider that for this coming year um i mean i i would point out that and i pointed out

[2:58:02] Voice 7: before that in the uh preamble of the ocp he

[2:58:07] Voice 7: talks about how we inherited these lands in a pristine

[2:58:13] Voice 7: state i think that we can't sit with that in the ocp it has to come out and the sooner that it does

[2:58:22] Voice 7: the better thank

[2:58:25] Voice 14: you for that and uh i'll just uh i'll just uh editorialize a tiny bit here

[2:58:31] Voice 14: um the process that you're describing a community-led process that's precisely what we did

[2:58:38] Voice 14: on musketeer we had a steering committee spent a considerable time 18 forums i think over over 18

[2:58:48] Voice 14: months um did a lot of the work that would not have been done in the official ltc process

[2:58:57] Voice 14: process because

[2:58:59] Voice 3: it would have cost too much money so

[2:59:01] Voice 3: i'm always supportive of any initiative within

[2:59:05] Voice 3: the community that does a lot of that work

[2:59:07] Voice 4: from

[2:59:08] Voice 3: my perspective on the lusketeer ltc it made our

[2:59:12] Voice 3: job as ltc much easier because this vast amount of community consultation had been done

[2:59:19] Voice 3: we couldn't have

[2:59:20] Voice 12: afforded we couldn't have gotten the budget to do it

[2:59:23] Voice 12: can

[2:59:23] Voice 11: you do that yes

[2:59:26] Voice 12: sir uh jennifer was sorry but jennifer oh sorry jennifer

[2:59:30] Voice 12: i i just wanted to go back to my original

[2:59:38] Voice 12: 15.1 and the groundwater uh recharge protection and correct what i think

[2:59:44] Voice 12: uh or to identify what i think is an incorrect assumption about the community forest

[2:59:49] Voice 12: It does have a covenant on it, but that covenant is not effective in protecting the community for us.

[3:00:00] Voice 12: the ltc and the planner to at least have that conversation with narissa and with william

[3:00:07] Voice 12: shoulder about the possibility of including the community for us as a dpa area under this

[3:00:15] Voice 12: proposed groundwater recharge because the covenant was amended to provide more land for development

[3:00:23] Voice 12: in the recent um figures um rezoning and subdivisions so what we thought would actually

[3:00:30] Voice 12: protect that land was changed and it could be changed again so um if you could just take that

[3:00:38] Voice 12: back is that as a question and a concern for our area thank you for that uh yes oh sorry i called

[3:00:49] Voice 12: on you first

[3:00:50] Voice 4: go

[3:00:51] Voice 8: ahead um i just want to remind the committee that the official community plan

[3:00:56] Voice 8: review took more than a year it took many years and that this is not a light simple inexpensive

[3:01:03] Voice 8: protest but something that is very profound and is impacted by of course the interest groups that

[3:01:10] Voice 8: that participate in the committee and who is included so as i started about opportunism and

[3:01:18] Voice 8: and opportunists and the capital system

[3:01:20] Voice 8: and how it has failed us in terms of our sustainability,

[3:01:25] Voice 8: I would say that to review something that has been a guide

[3:01:32] Voice 8: and been effective at forking the whim of opportunists

[3:01:36] Voice 8: for three decades, that we be careful about the changes

[3:01:41] Voice 8: because three decades in the face of this kind

[3:01:45] Voice 8: of development pressure is more than a lifetime of corporations. Corporations have come and gone

[3:01:53] Voice 8: and died impacted because of this decision that we respect the forest over personal development

[3:02:01] Voice 8: in opportunity. So please remember, this is the testing ground for humanity. We must remember to

[3:02:10] Voice 8: respect the forest the zones and be extremely careful about the precedents that allow easement

[3:02:17] Voice 8: only access and and a community review may erode some of these icons of sensibility just because

[3:02:27] Voice 8: that sensibility is not in the mindset of the newly arrived thank you for that one

[3:02:36] Voice 12: on the other

[3:02:36] Voice 12: here uh wise island uh with all due respect i think you missed an option without an option

[3:02:44] but the

[3:02:49] Voice 8: third option

[3:02:50] Voice 12: is to introduce new site-specific bylaws and you've had

[3:02:57] Voice 12: a recommendation put before you to look at the bylaws that were drafted for passage island

[3:03:07] Voice 12: send it to the APC, and at the APC, give you back an opinion whether or not these could apply, and what the impact might be.

[3:03:20] Voice 14: Just for my benefit, could you mention the name of the island that you...

[3:03:25] Voice 14: Well, Gambier

[3:03:26] Voice 10: Island, so the bylaw is actually Gambier Bylaw 114, specifically for Passage Island.

[3:03:35] Voice 12: and then there's a separate section for passage okay

[3:03:42] Voice 10: specifically allow certain size solar panels

[3:03:46] Voice 10: within the second point okay

[3:03:48] Voice 12: certainly sounds well worth the investigating okay

[3:03:58] Voice 4: uh yes sir

[3:04:01] Voice 12: i'd like to make a comment about the water um if the lcc could consider for those areas

[3:04:09] Voice 12: is affected by needing to do the study to see if the water is affected to have a setback zone so

[3:04:18] Voice 12: that there's a moderate amount of safety that someone's not going to do any activity that's

[3:04:24] Voice 12: going to affect that zone but as i understand from staff if you

[3:04:30] Voice 14: have a tiny corner of your

[3:04:31] Voice 14: property that's just over the five

[3:04:33] Voice 12: hectares that required and you're doing a small clearing that's

[3:04:39] Voice 12: nowhere near that five acres then there's no reason that that should be applied so if you

[3:04:45] Voice 12: could have a setback of seven and a half meters or 15 meters so that there's no encroachment on

[3:04:51] Voice 12: that area before the study gets done i think that would be a worthwhile consideration that's

[3:04:56] Voice 12: thank you for that anyone else yes sir just one more quick question i think i stated earlier

[3:05:05] Voice 10: back on the topic of solar panels we actually have residents now that are removing trees

[3:05:10] Voice 10: because their solar panels are set too far back so this setback of 7.5 meters i thought i was

[3:05:18] Voice 10: going to give everybody a printout but that's that's the

[3:05:21] Voice 12: setback imposed on my property it's

[3:05:23] Voice 12: more than you can see is basically half and the original small lot regulations for galliano

[3:05:29] Voice 12: the properties are supposed to be one and a half times this size

[3:05:39] Voice 12: anyone

[3:05:39] Voice 14: else before we move on yes please um

[3:05:43] Voice 12: so if you're going to talk

[3:05:48] Voice 13: Why don't I propose the removal or replacing the term Vestal Indigenous status?

[3:05:57] Voice 13: That is again at hard at work to create further division and oppression of Indigenous people

[3:06:03] Voice 13: further.

[3:06:05] Voice 13: You look at my family, you look at my mom, you look at my uncles.

[3:06:10] Voice 13: I don't have a status card, so I would be irrelevant in this situation.

[3:06:16] Voice 13: So I think that term, including federal and digital status recognition, would be detrimental to myself, a number of people in my generation, and my family, and my children, and my grandchildren.

[3:06:29] Voice 13: My status card is in the works, but what if Brian doesn't get it, or Kinsey?

[3:06:36] Voice 13: So that's why, when I brought up replacing that term for Bylaw 283, that was my concern.

[3:06:47] Voice 14: Thank you for that.

[3:06:48] Voice 14: that rather not get into conversations

[3:06:50] Voice 13: but

[3:06:51] Voice 14: this is a

[3:06:52] Voice 13: good conversation i know

[3:06:54] Voice 14: i know but i'm gonna

[3:06:56] Voice 14: i'm gonna like allow you to reply but then we're gonna move on yeah we

[3:07:02] Voice 14: have other stuff to do and

[3:07:03] Voice 14: this it's important conversation

[3:07:05] Voice 12: but also we're not gonna do a lot of conversation in this

[3:07:11] Voice 12: before i agree with you 100 you know you know yes so i think it's getting there we just need

[3:07:19] Voice 12: to get to there yes

[3:07:20] Voice 13: it's a work in progress yes we just got to work together okay thank

[3:07:30] Voice 11: you for that

[3:07:31] Voice 14: um anyone else okay our next section is a closed meeting uh

[3:07:41] Voice 12: so you have a motion to close the

[3:07:43] Voice 12: meeting i'm gonna assume that everyone knows what a closed meeting means so we're gonna ask

[3:07:48] Voice 12: everyone but staff to go for a little bit here

[3:07:57] Voice 12: oh uh it's on page

[3:08:27] Voice 11: ever take the clip off

[3:09:07] Voice 6: chair peterson chair peterson yes um did you guys do the motion for that

[3:09:15] Voice 6: I cannot

[3:09:16] Voice 12: hear you, I'm so sorry.

[3:09:17] Voice 6: Did you do the motion for the closed meeting?

[3:09:21] Voice 12: We haven't gone back to that point yet.

[3:09:23] Voice 12: I do have it in front of me.

[3:09:25] Voice 6: Okay, no worries.

[3:09:26] Voice 6: Oh, wait, yeah.

[3:09:27] Voice 6: Just let me know when to turn off the recording.

[3:09:31] Voice 6: I'm just going to wait for it

[3:09:32] Voice 12: to shut off.

[3:09:33] Voice 12: We're going to need that verse to continue

[3:09:35] Voice 4: towards the door here.

[3:09:41] Voice 4: This

[3:09:41] Voice 12: is the setback that I thought was important.

[3:09:45] Voice 11: and if you want i just i just because i

[3:09:49] Voice 12: don't staff it's it's

[3:09:52] Voice 12: yeah yeah i'm gonna get that off the office

[3:09:55] Voice 12: tomorrow i have

[3:09:57] Voice 10: to work tomorrow i got a day off today i work for parents

[3:10:00] Voice 12: sure

[3:10:01] Voice 10: i hear you

[3:10:01] Voice 12: this is this is about my email and phone number on it feel free

[3:10:08] Voice 12: yeah take care

[3:10:21] Voice 12: I know there's been, like, six more panels, but we want, with the review, okay.

[3:10:33] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:10:38] Voice 12: So somewhere.

[3:10:41] Voice 12: Or maybe, maybe just a little afternoon.

[3:10:47] Okay.

[3:11:18] Okay, for sure.

[3:11:19] Yeah, give me a call. I

[3:11:21] Voice 12: need to check out at a certain time. My

[3:11:26] Voice 11: wife's with me. She wants to stand and keep her room as long as possible until the outside.

[3:11:32] Voice 12: So, how

[3:11:33] Voice 12: do we call?

[3:11:34] Voice 4: Yeah, somewhere

[3:11:38] Voice 12: between you and him, too. Let's finish. It's been an hour.

[3:12:19] Voice 4: And

[3:12:19] Voice 12: if you're a walker.

[3:12:22] Voice 4: Okay, sounds good.

[3:12:25] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:12:27] Voice 4: Okay,

[3:12:30] Voice 11: we're getting a lot of work.

[3:12:31] Voice 11: Get out of here.

[3:12:34] Yeah.

[3:12:36] Well, it says somewhere at 530.

[3:12:38] I don't know why you got to find this.

[3:12:39] I need to hop back here.

[3:12:41] You're coming off the boat.

[3:12:43] Yeah, I'm probably got a bus.

[3:12:45] So you

[3:12:45] Voice 4: shouldn't leave all the chairs for you guys.

[3:12:48] No, no, there's another meeting.

[3:12:50] Voice 12: Oh, thank goodness.

[3:12:51] Voice 12: I was really bad because it's like.

[3:12:55] Voice 12: Yeah, yeah, no, there's a

[3:12:56] Voice 12: meeting at 6.

[3:12:57] Voice 12: There's a meeting at 6.

[3:12:58] Voice 12: Come on back at 6.

[3:13:00] Voice 12: 6.30.

[3:13:01] Voice 12: What is the meeting?

[3:13:02] Voice 12: At Olsen.

[3:13:03] Voice 12: Paul Brand.

[3:13:04] Voice 12: Oh, really?

[3:13:05] Voice 12: Yeah.

[3:13:05] Voice 12: Come and throw something.

[3:13:07] Voice 12: Have a bite to eat.

[3:13:10] Good.

[3:13:11] Thank you.

[3:13:16] Voice 4: We're still on camera.

[3:13:18] Thank you.

[3:13:24] Voice 7: Recording.

[3:13:25] Voice 7: We're not live streaming.

[3:13:26] Voice 7: We're not?

[3:13:27] Voice 7: Kind of double check.

[3:13:29] Voice 14: everybody's out

[3:13:30] Voice 6: so i can close the recording okay

[3:13:34] Voice 14: oh the

[3:13:37] Voice 6: motion i'll wait for the motion

[3:13:44] Voice 12: the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part four

[3:13:50] Voice 12: division 3s 91 f for the purpose of considering i guess i don't need that do i yeah

[3:14:02] Voice 12: and the reporter and staff attend the meeting so moved

[3:14:06] Voice 14: i have a second second

[3:14:07] Voice 12: all those in favor

[3:14:09] Voice 14: excellent okay we're going to move into the closed session now