Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, April 13, 2023

[0:00:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): There's all these channels around it,

[0:00:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): including a three-zone.

[0:00:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay, it has to be 75% of the property.

[0:00:12] Voice 5: It's odd, but it's been like that for like 30 years.

[0:00:16] Almost

[0:00:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): all the people present are like this.

[0:00:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): It's really, it's very different, right?

[0:00:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): Anyway, so the way

[0:00:35] Voice 4: that the

[0:01:10] Trustee Patrick: um

[0:01:11] Trustee Patrick: good morning

[0:01:19] Voice 5: folks i'd like to call this meeting of the salt spring local trust committee

[0:01:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge that the Islands Trust acknowledges that the lands

[0:01:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): and waters that encompass the Islands Trust area have been home to Indigenous people since

[0:01:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): time immemorial.

[0:01:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): We are committed to reconciliation and to working together to preserve and protect ecologically,

[0:01:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): culturally, and spiritually significant regions of the Pacific Sea, and the Islands Trust

[0:01:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): of course, located in the territories of many First Nations.

[0:01:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): We have an agenda before us.

[0:02:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'll just note for members of the public that we have changed the timing of our agenda

[0:02:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): to put town hall and delegations earlier in the day,

[0:02:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): so hopefully provide a bit more certainty for those folks who want to come

[0:02:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): and speak to us around what the timeframe is, and hopefully that works.

[0:02:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): but if it's uh if it's problematic we're certainly

[0:02:25] Voice 5: open to feedback um so we do have an agenda before

[0:02:28] Voice 5: us trustees is there any additions or changes to the agenda trustee patrick could

[0:02:35] Trustee Patrick: we just add

[0:02:36] Trustee Patrick: a discussion on the housing accelerator fund

[0:02:42] Trustee Patrick: open i don't know where that should probably be

[0:02:45] Trustee Patrick: a new business where everybody is

[0:02:46] Voice 4: new business housing accelerator funds all right and was there

[0:03:03] Voice 6: anything else this morning

[0:03:05] Voice 6: yes we'll have a closed meeting session at

[0:03:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): some point okay we'll need to

[0:03:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): be added all right well that's perfect that's so we do have a closed meeting session coming up under

[0:03:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): item 17 just for your heads

[0:03:18] Voice 5: up okay then can we take it by general consent that the agenda

[0:03:24] Voice 5: is approved as amended excellent

[0:03:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): so that brings us right into town hall and questions

[0:03:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh just want to take a moment to remind everyone this is a workplace and please keep your comments

[0:03:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): respectful and speak to the issues and not individuals and uh with that i'll look for

[0:03:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): a show of hands who wants to address the local trust committee at c2 uh mr clark do you want

[0:03:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): to lead off thank you very much good

[0:03:53] Voice 8: morning i'm julian clark i'm here on behalf of the concerned

[0:03:57] Voice 8: residents of canvas back regarding the rogers tower cell site um first off let me start by

[0:04:03] Voice 8: thanking you for filing an impasse with isid the federal regulator that's requesting the dispute

[0:04:08] Voice 8: resolution process be triggered unfortunately though even though the regulations under cpc

[0:04:17] 203

[0:04:18] Voice 8: do state that this dispute resolution is a formal process the wording provides little to

[0:04:23] Voice 8: no transparency on what that process is the wording talks about they may request information

[0:04:31] Voice 8: they may get a look at the other information they will either make a final decision themselves or

[0:04:38] Voice 8: they could put it to an arbitration to a answer into an alternate dispute resolution it's very

[0:04:43] Voice 8: very unclear. So the very real concern here is that ICED officers, whom have already passed

[0:04:51] Voice 8: judgment on the situation, will be the same people that rule on the dispute. And that judgment

[0:04:58] ignores both the protocol that was in place at the time of the concurrence, the

[0:05:01] Voice 8: 2001 policy,

[0:05:04] Voice 8: as well as the protocol that was accepted by both sides, the Island Trust model protocol,

[0:05:09] Voice 8: draft model protocol, neither of which would have allowed the tower on the proposed site.

[0:05:14] Voice 8: Thankfully, however, a federal government board, commission, or tribunal may be subject to a judicial review under Section 18.1 of the Federal Court Act.

[0:05:26] Voice 8: under this section of the act the federal ruling may be reversed or quashed for several reasons

[0:05:35] Voice 8: including this is one of many wrongdoings but including if the ruling failed to observe a

[0:05:43] Voice 8: principle of natural justice procedural fairness or other procedure that it was required by law

[0:05:50] Voice 8: to observe begs the question natural justice procedural fairness what does that mean well

[0:05:57] Voice 8: Well, that requires the ICIT process to be free of prejudice and bias with decision makers that are impartial and objective.

[0:06:06] Voice 8: And given that all the ICIT officers involved thus far have opined on this situation, they are clearly not impartial.

[0:06:16] Voice 8: So the possibility of a federal judicial review provides you, the local trust committee, with the opportunity to demand two things of ICIT.

[0:06:25] Voice 8: number one that the dispute be heard by an independent impartial party like an arbitrator

[0:06:31] Voice 8: and two that the rogers construction work cease immediately until a decision is rendered as its

[0:06:39] Voice 8: continuation prejudices the outcome of the impasse process now i wouldn't ask you to do this without

[0:06:46] Voice 8: trying to make it easy on you so here is a draft letter you can send out to isid that respectfully

[0:06:54] Voice 8: makes these two demands and there's six copies there so you can share that along yeah there's

[0:06:59] Voice 8: six there's six copies so if you don't mind passing them along this like yesterday i felt

[0:07:07] Voice 8: i should at least get you a draft this is now revised from the version that i sent out to you

[0:07:14] Voice 8: yesterday um after further discussion with our lawyer so this has been cleaned up a little bit

[0:07:20] Voice 8: and i'd be happy to provide you with an electronic version later today but this in fact does those

[0:07:25] Voice 8: those two things. It asks that the dispute be heard by an

[0:07:30] Voice 8: independent, impartial party, like an army. And secondly, it

[0:07:36] Voice 8: asks them to tell Rogers to stop tearing up the environmentally

[0:07:42] Voice 8: sensitive high biodiversity lands that they're currently

[0:07:45] Voice 8: tearing up until a decision is rendered. The very last thing I

[0:07:51] Voice 8: will say on this, I mean, obviously, we need to get this

[0:07:55] Voice 8: no doubt as quickly as is possible and that's why i tried to we tried to make it very easy on you

[0:08:00] Voice 8: we don't want them to go in and pass judgment on the dispute resolution without being aware

[0:08:06] Voice 8: that a section 18-1 could be filed a judicial review so letting them know that that is a

[0:08:13] Voice 8: possibility i think is very important to ensure that they're going to act accordingly the second

[0:08:19] Voice 8: thing i would just note is if in the event a decision is rendered and it goes against

[0:08:23] Voice 8: the LTC's decision. We need to know right away. A section 18-1 judicial review requires that

[0:08:32] Voice 8: affected parties file with the federal courts within 30 days of the decision. We're all affected

[0:08:39] Voice 8: parties here and we will file because it's very clear to us that the grounds for judicial review

[0:08:47] Voice 8: are all there. So it just takes a very quick Google of section 18-1 and we'll come up and

[0:08:54] Voice 8: And you'll see the grounds, but the one is primarily natural justice and procedural fairness.

[0:09:00] Voice 8: So that's that's it for today. Thank you very much.

[0:09:03] Voice 8: I would ask, and I don't know now that the agenda has changed, we'd love to understand where you're at with the legal review of whether or not you can place a stop work order on Rogers yourselves.

[0:09:15] Set that aside. This is the most important thing right now.

[0:09:19] let's get a decision in favor of your decision but we're obviously very interested in where

[0:09:26] Voice 8: you stand on the legal side thank you very much the other tower that's there is that a virgin

[0:09:36] Voice 8: tower it is a telus tower telus tower it went up

[0:09:40] Voice 8: about 22 or 23 years ago prior to any houses

[0:09:44] Voice 8: being built uh i think it was prior to houses being built it was a ham radio tower well maybe

[0:09:49] Voice 8: not your house are you sure about that of course

[0:09:53] Voice 6: i live up there i've lived up i've lived up there

[0:09:55] Voice 6: since 1997. how was there before how close were you to the oh i have no idea i can

[0:10:05] Voice 8: i can imagine

[0:10:06] Voice 8: oh yeah he's within 500 meters it was a ham radio tower yeah that's true and i would also tell you

[0:10:15] Voice 8: that the amount of new panels

[0:10:17] Voice 8: that TELUS has placed on that tower

[0:10:19] Voice 8: in the last six months

[0:10:20] Voice 8: are greater than all the panels

[0:10:23] Voice 8: they have on that tower

[0:10:24] Voice 8: the previous 22 years.

[0:10:26] Voice 8: So they're already sending out G5?

[0:10:30] Voice 8: Whatever it is.

[0:10:32] Voice 8: That's already

[0:10:32] Voice 8: coming out of TELUS.

[0:10:34] Voice 8: That tower is

[0:10:34] Voice 8: 65 meters

[0:10:36] Voice 8: away from the nearest home.

[0:10:37] Voice 8: It is set much further back

[0:10:39] Voice 8: than this Rogers Tower from the homes.

[0:10:41] Voice 8: And it is behind the water tank.

[0:10:46] Voice 8: and again the two protocols that one or the other either the policy that was in place

[0:10:52] Voice 8: or the protocol that rogers and crest asserted they met neither of those would allow the

[0:10:57] Voice 8: placement of this tower where they're they're planning on so what's the real the major concern

[0:11:03] Voice 8: the 5g or the cellular or the major concern is that you have rules that are just being trounced

[0:11:10] Voice 8: and if no but you know when you i was contacted you know a long time ago um prior to the trust

[0:11:20] Voice 8: election and all that it was you know 5g was sort of the main concern but it wasn't not by the not

[0:11:26] Voice 8: by the nearby residents there's a whole another group so the concern is is the environment sure

[0:11:32] Voice 8: the environment is a sensitive you know environmentally sensitive location there's

[0:11:35] Voice 8: already a tower for the ocp yeah per the official community plan if you look at the maps this area

[0:11:42] Voice 8: is defined as environmentally environmentally sensitive high biodiversity it is adjacent to

[0:11:49] Voice 8: the water preservation society lands there is research that indicates these towers affect

[0:11:55] Voice 8: pollinators affect insects whether they affect humans or not it hasn't been proven that they

[0:11:59] Voice 8: do or they don't yeah but for those reasons yeah

[0:12:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): so the 5g isn't a concern um so i i don't want

[0:12:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): this to turn into too much of a conversation questions of clarity and then let's be brief

[0:12:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): and move on okay is that okay sure that sounds great um so just to be clear so 5g isn't the

[0:12:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): the big concern here oh okay

[0:12:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): i mean if i can summarize what i've heard i think i've heard from you in particular is

[0:12:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): is the procedural the failure of the procedural process that's what i hear you mostly objecting

[0:12:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay if they had

[0:12:43] Trustee Patrick: followed it it wouldn't be there right

[0:12:45] Voice 5: wouldn't be putting it okay

[0:12:47] Voice 5: all right i'm going to move on to the gentleman in the back there

[0:12:50] Voice 5: thank

[0:12:50] Voice 4: you

[0:12:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh david dunstan um i am a member of the gandhi village area plan task force

[0:12:57] and to my knowledge we've officially just uh we've put on hiatus and we've been waiting

[0:13:05] um i speaking today with respect to item number 14-2 in the village staff report and

[0:13:18] And echoing or following on your comments, Chair,

[0:13:24] early, I'd like to acknowledge these two of the staffers

[0:13:28] for their help with the flight of the task force

[0:13:33] that are sitting here at the end of the table,

[0:13:38] as well as Jordy Gordon.

[0:13:40] And,

[0:13:41] Voice 7: you know, we actually had a very,

[0:13:44] Voice 7: not just collegial, but I felt we were working

[0:13:47] Voice 7: very well together prior to being put on hiatus.

[0:13:51] Voice 7: and it comes with some surprise that I see the recommendations here in the staff report that

[0:13:58] without saying so they want to re-update funding that was being used to pay for our minute taker

[0:14:06] and some auxiliary services and effectively terminate us and I

[0:14:14] Voice 6: feel that quite strongly

[0:14:17] Voice 6: that

[0:14:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): the task force's work has been misrepresented there has been no revision to this project charter

[0:14:28] and that while the task force did accept the project charter

[0:14:31] Voice 8: we did so in order to pass a

[0:14:33] Voice 8: number of motions and resolutions

[0:14:35] Voice 7: um to amend it um specifically items that are out of scope

[0:14:40] like

[0:14:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): the harbor

[0:14:43] Voice 7: um bridge conservation amenity zoning transfer of development potential

[0:14:51] Voice 7: density use and regulatory amendments were things we're concerned about and above those the economic

[0:14:57] vibrancy.

[0:15:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): Just prior to being put on high use, Ani, a consultant, completed a public engagement

[0:15:09] Voice 6: activity here, many folks have been there, and at

[0:15:16] Voice 7: the end of their work we put together a draft vision

[0:15:19] Voice 7: That's only a draft. It's not complete. And their

[0:15:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): survey, on a survey, in terms of the most important items, what do you see?

[0:15:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): How do you see Ganges Village today? What place do you cherish in the Ganges Village?

[0:15:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): The top three items are parks and green space, followed by waterfront harbor, and local restaurants and businesses.

[0:15:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): Now,

[0:15:42] Voice 6: in the Outer Scope, a big

[0:15:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): initial concern for the task force was that, number one, Outer

[0:15:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): Scope was the harbor.

[0:15:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): Ganges exists because of the harbor.

[0:15:54] And we went months through discussion and deliberation to make the point that we cannot

[0:16:02] separate the harbor from Ganges.

[0:16:04] And we know the trust

[0:16:06] Voice 4: has zoning capabilities.

[0:16:07] Voice 4: building. And if I cut off my right leg, I am legless, or at least half

[0:16:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): legless. We don't

[0:16:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): want engines to be legless.

[0:16:22] Voice 17: It's totally inappropriate. So notwithstanding the great

[0:16:29] Voice 17: relationships we had with staff that are here, in the strongest way

[0:16:40] Voice 4: possible, I recommend

[0:16:42] recommend that the staff recommendation not be accepted, and minimally you would expect

[0:16:51] the task force to reconvene and complete the work we're doing on the mission, as well as

[0:16:56] mapping, which was another area of great disconnect.

[0:16:59] The map we were presented with initially made zero sense on major

[0:17:03] Voice 17: portions of Ganges.

[0:17:04] Voice 17: This

[0:17:07] Voice 7: was the activity we were finally working on at the end to say, where are the four corners

[0:17:12] of Ganges?

[0:17:13] how can we put together a village area plan without at least a community which reverts

[0:17:23] on what the four corners are so um and you know it wasn't without some degree of frustration

[0:17:32] operating the task force so we might be

[0:17:34] Voice 6: happy to be disbanded at some point in time but i don't

[0:17:36] Voice 6: think this is that um

[0:17:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay okay i'm gonna start over here and then i'll work this way

[0:17:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): But OK,

[0:17:52] Voice 2: I must admit I'm impressed by the reserve

[0:17:56] Voice 2: and quiet tone in which the advocates for other positions

[0:18:00] Voice 2: have expressed their views.

[0:18:03] Voice 2: I wish I could be as balanced and as reserved.

[0:18:08] Voice 2: I'm here representing the Housing Task Force.

[0:18:12] Voice 2: That was also out of the blue, told

[0:18:15] Voice 2: that it was going to be dissolved for alleged budgetary reasons but we're

[0:18:26] Voice 2: here for two things we don't think we should be put out of business and we

[0:18:30] Voice 2: think is the first sign that the local trust committee is not going to abandon

[0:18:35] Voice 2: all the people having housing problems in Salt Spring that they pass

[0:18:40] Voice 2: immediately by law 530. You know the arguments, you know the reasons. There are all sorts of fictions

[0:18:47] Voice 2: of thousands of people, the barbarians storming the gates to charge into Salt Spring Island

[0:18:55] Voice 2: and sink us under the weight of their helmets and their shields. Well, this is bullshit and we

[0:19:01] Voice 2: Please don't use that language.

[0:19:03] Voice 2: We know it.

[0:19:05] Voice 2: And, sorry, this is not true.

[0:19:08] Voice 2: And obviously I feel quite strongly about this,

[0:19:14] Voice 2: but so do the other members of my task force

[0:19:17] Voice 2: that represent a cross-section of the community,

[0:19:19] Voice 2: not just older and well-housed people like myself.

[0:19:23] Voice 2: So I really do think that rather than following a policy

[0:19:29] Voice 2: of creeping incrementalism that the bylaw 530 be passed

[0:19:37] Voice 2: as but a first step in dealing with a housing crisis

[0:19:41] Voice 2: causing so much difficulty on Salt Spring.

[0:19:45] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:19:47] Voice 10: I'm Jennifer McLean.

[0:19:49] Voice 10: I was also on the Ganges Social Area Plan Task Force,

[0:19:53] Voice 10: a different task force than Stan Chikorow was talking about.

[0:19:55] Voice 10: So I can't really add any further

[0:19:58] Voice 10: to what david was saying in his presentation but i agree with what what david's saying that

[0:20:05] Voice 10: we are having still our needs to meet and it's not very much money to have a minute

[0:20:13] Voice 10: taker so the whole thing shouldn't just fall apart based on the lack of minutes

[0:20:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): thank you

[0:20:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): continuing this direction over here i

[0:20:22] Voice 14: just want to say thank you uh for um adding the accelerated

[0:20:27] Voice 14: rate of fun on to the agenda for today i think it's very important that we um look at this as

[0:20:33] Voice 14: a holistic thing i'm really excited to hear the presentation for the self-serving solutions today

[0:20:38] Voice 14: and uh also yes uh bylaw 530 let's make some moves let's do the little things that we can

[0:20:44] Voice 14: and yes don't disband our task force we're doing a lot of great work we need super europeans

[0:20:49] Voice 14: Okay,

[0:20:50] Voice 5: thank you. And over here.

[0:20:54] Voice 5: Good

[0:20:55] Voice 6: morning, everybody. And thank you for the time to speak. Thanks for all the work you do it. And my name is Mike and I run a small construction company.

[0:21:05] I employ people, and I like Home Depot, I try and do affirmative action also. So one of my workers right now has to live in Duncan.

[0:21:16] and commute because you can find housing on fault spring so it's affecting my business um i am also

[0:21:24] a member of the housing task force and i in this capacity i've heard from ferries high school

[0:21:29] hospital

[0:21:30] Voice 6: pretty much everything that we depend on for health community that they are severely

[0:21:36] strained if not cutting services because of the worker housing shortage i also have an history

[0:21:43] of working with first nations and i'm aware of one of the first nations with concerns on

[0:21:48] salt spring that has suggested the kind of novel idea of you know as a part of affordable housing

[0:21:56] inclusion so this is all of course relating to 530 and

[0:22:00] Voice 6: that a certain portion could be dedicated

[0:22:04] Voice 6: longer term to first nations and support that um also the government of action so uh it's very hard

[0:22:13] Voice 6: to summarize everything that we're concerned with but there's a tremendous amount of work to do

[0:22:18] and i'm very concerned for uh south spain to the kind of fantasy island

[0:22:24] parachuted in workers and food and all that so i really urge everyone here to to urgency

[0:22:31] on getting some worker housing and also support you know not so aware about the shelters and

[0:22:40] things like that people in difficulty uh who may not qualify as workers but who deserve a safe

[0:22:46] place

[0:22:46] Voice 6: and can't afford one uh there are a lot of people right now that really need support thank

[0:22:51] Voice 4: you

[0:22:51] Voice 6: for your time

[0:22:52] Voice 4: thank you and in the back there all right

[0:22:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): let's go ready to walk over

[0:23:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): i'm just going to read the survey that was done a lot of people aren't aware of the survey that

[0:23:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): was done on housing on the island there was 502 respondents but just to give you an idea of the

[0:23:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): numbers does salt spring island need more affordable housing 94 affirmative 2.2 against

[0:23:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay secondary suites and accessory buildings should we allow that 85 for eight percent

[0:23:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): more small instead of our are always producing what i call estate lots that cost too much money

[0:23:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): people can't afford um more small lots and room for residential tiny homes eighty percent four

[0:23:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): 11% against. Concern about housing needs. So this is just concern about housing on the island.

[0:23:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): 98% yes, we're concerned. 1.2% are not concerned. Think about that for just a minute. 98% of the

[0:23:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): citizens of this island are very concerned about housing and 1.2%, a vocal 1.2%, are standing in

[0:24:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): the way of the wishes of 98% of the population of the island. I don't understand that. Another

[0:24:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): Another interesting one, a lot of the things people say

[0:24:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): is if we allow extra housing,

[0:24:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): it'll turn into B&Bs and all that stuff.

[0:24:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): Do you rent out a seasonal for the full-time?

[0:24:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): 19% yes, 24% no.

[0:24:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): If you don't have a seasonal cottage

[0:24:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): and were encouraged to build for full-time residence use,

[0:24:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): 28% said they would, so it's not gonna sweep the island.

[0:24:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): Only 20% of the people surveyed said

[0:24:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): they would take advantage of this.

[0:24:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): And no was no, 33% of the people said,

[0:24:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): no i won't build something else on my site so those that are trying to promote the idea

[0:24:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): that the population of the island is going to double overnight it's not true and they know it's

[0:24:46] so we've taken a look at all of these things and i don't know if many people know

[0:24:52] what we propose but i can sum it up for you very

[0:24:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): quickly because the group that we worked with

[0:24:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): thought long and hard about everything that we did so our very first thought was speed we need

[0:25:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): speed because people are desperately needing housing right now there's families that are

[0:25:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): falling apart, horrible things. And I, for one, can't understand how anybody on the side

[0:25:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): of the island would stand in the way of people who are suffering. I just don't get that attitude.

[0:25:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): So because it's an individual decision to add a suite to a house

[0:25:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): or an outbuilding or allow a tiny home on your site, there's no bureaucracy.

[0:25:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): It's an individual process. Everybody on the side of the island knows how long projects take on the side

[0:25:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): of the island. That's our average time for 15 years. I don't know. It's a pretty long period.

[0:25:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): The next thing was fairness. The last time we allowed

[0:25:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): out extra suites it was done by uh back when peter land and mr arian were here and they picked a

[0:25:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): swath of housing so some people on one side of the road were allowed to do it some people on the

[0:25:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): other side were there was no rhyme or reason and no fairness to that whatsoever so the second thing

[0:25:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): we talked about was fairness it has to be fair to all landowners like you have everybody needs

[0:25:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): on the side to be treated exactly the same no reason why not we chose the absolute greenest

[0:26:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): of option preserve and protect everybody as far as i'm concerned is an environmentalist i take

[0:26:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): it really upsets me that there's a group that seem to think that they're somehow

[0:26:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): greener than the rest of us that live here i find that very offensive it is the greenest

[0:26:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): option because the roads are already in but lots have already been cleaved the septic fields are

[0:26:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): already there so if my hypothetical mrs jones whose husband died last year wants to put a

[0:26:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): sweet in her house because she's a little nervous living alone she's not going to be clearing the

[0:26:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): on our roads and infrastructure you cannot do anything in this island greener than what we're

[0:26:34] proposing and that was one of our number one things the economics also you have to be able

[0:26:39] to build housing that's affordable to rent it doesn't

[0:26:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): do us any good to build housing it's

[0:26:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): too expensive there is no other option that will cost the least you've already got the house a lot

[0:26:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): everything's paid for you're just adding a suite or you're adding a time and then finally we thought

[0:26:54] about community if my

[0:26:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): hypothetical mrs jones is a little afraid to be on her own and she wants to

[0:27:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): age in place she doesn't want to leave the island because her friends are here and she allows a nice

[0:27:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): young couple to live in her suite above the garage or whatever they produce then she gets to stay in

[0:27:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): that a little bit longer and it has a wonderful mixing of a young couple meeting maybe they

[0:27:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): probably never socialized after me before so you've got that multi-generational mixing that's

[0:27:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): going on we think that's very important to the fabric of this island that people can't do it

[0:27:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): so those were some of the reasons that we thought about the task force they're all very valid i

[0:27:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): don't think there's an argument anybody can make any one of them and we really believe that we want

[0:27:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): to get back to work we have a lot this is just a first step to help the people on this island

[0:27:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): so this isn't about overpopulating an island this is about helping people who are suffering and

[0:27:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): struggling right now nobody's here to you know overpopulate an island and the last comment i'm

[0:27:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): going to make is do you think that population determines green is a ridiculous comment it's

[0:27:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): how you deal with the environment accounts not the number of people dealing with it thank you

[0:28:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): thank you for that and

[0:28:08] Voice 5: was there anyone else

[0:28:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): that wanted to uh i just see if anyone who

[0:28:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): hasn't spoken first and then i'll come back to you anyone else don't okay would you like to speak in

[0:28:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): thank you very uh very briefly just on the point of the smaller dwellings time zones etc um a point

[0:28:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's often missed is one of those environmental impact is nowhere near a conventional house

[0:28:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): should be obvious but we have data from the task force showing you know 80 reduction in water

[0:28:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): consumption waste generation power consumption etc so really can we modernize for kind of a

[0:28:45] per person impact uh it's not the riffraff coming in sealing up all the

[0:28:50] Voice 6: water and throwing beer

[0:28:51] Voice 6: cans around we really have to get rid of that perception thank you very much thank you for that

[0:28:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): all right

[0:28:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): um thank you everyone for your comments today and uh we have a delegation from mari wellman

[0:29:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): next. Morning. I

[0:29:16] Voice 15: guess I'll just perch on the corner here. How do you

[0:29:20] Voice 11: deal with insulating

[0:29:22] Voice 11: for hours at a stretch? Doesn't that hurt your brains? Wow. I did a prepared statement because

[0:29:28] Voice 11: I know my time is limited. I wanted to make sure I got everything in. So I'm going to be

[0:29:32] Voice 11: heads down reading, but it's all

[0:29:34] Voice 4: three

[0:29:37] Voice 11: solutions and visions of community that works across areas

[0:29:39] Voice 11: of interest and issue-based divisions to identify key problems that require attention

[0:29:44] Voice 11: and to open up closed or obscure decision-making processes.

[0:29:48] Voice 11: We envision a resilient South Spring Island community that works together to equitably care for the ecology and the community as one.

[0:29:55] Voice 11: Our goal is to bring more people into our island's decision-making processes.

[0:30:00] Voice 11: to help Salt Spring evolve into a community that can work effectively together on solving complex issues

[0:30:04] Voice 11: and make the sometimes difficult decisions on how to improve our lives and protect our ecology.

[0:30:11] Voice 11: We've been involved in one way or another on the housing issue on Salt Spring for about five years now.

[0:30:17] Voice 11: And what we have realized is that different organizations like the Alliance Trust and the CRD and the province

[0:30:23] Voice 11: are all talking about housing, but not necessarily to or with each other.

[0:30:28] Voice 11: Countless reports have been written on housing needs and housing strategies,

[0:30:31] Voice 11: however none of them have sufficiently stepped out of their organizational silos

[0:30:36] Voice 11: to consider the big picture or to examine the complexities of interagency cooperation and

[0:30:41] Voice 11: problem solving. And while the Trust has a mandate to cooperate with other government bodies,

[0:30:47] Voice 11: those organizations do not have a mandate to reciprocate. That said, we're in a bit of a

[0:30:52] Voice 11: moment right now. We have two local trustees who ran and were elected on a housing platform,

[0:30:57] Voice 11: We have a CRD director who ran and was elected on a housing platform.

[0:31:01] Voice 11: We have an MLA who is ready and willing to help.

[0:31:04] Voice 11: And we have a premier who has said housing is a top priority.

[0:31:08] Voice 11: The stars have aligned.

[0:31:10] Voice 11: How do we take advantage of this opportunity to step up and work together and get our housing

[0:31:15] Voice 11: issue solved?

[0:31:15] Voice 11: We think we might have an answer.

[0:31:17] Voice 11: After the traumatic experience of the failed bylaw 530 public hearing last year, we did

[0:31:23] Voice 11: a lot of self-examination.

[0:31:25] Voice 11: We didn't want to spend our critical volunteer time being oppositional, writing frustrated

[0:31:30] Voice 11: letters to the editor and showing up at every LTC meeting to be a delegation.

[0:31:35] Voice 11: We didn't want to bang the drum, instead we wanted to offer up solutions.

[0:31:40] Voice 11: So we went offline and we spent the past year researching and creating a framework for local

[0:31:44] Voice 11: housing solutions that, for the first time, integrates into one document the responsibilities

[0:31:50] Voice 11: responsibilities of the various government bodies that have a role to play in housing here and

[0:31:54] Voice 11: outlines how they can work together through some key strategies we didn't go completely offline we

[0:32:00] Voice 11: did help save 75 acres of land it's a different project um so back to the housing file we're

[0:32:06] Voice 11: truly alarmed by the critical lack of housing options in our community for working-class and

[0:32:09] Voice 11: vulnerable residents the unhindered development of larger resource intensive single-family homes

[0:32:15] Voice 11: estate homes, I like that. Having multiple adverse impacts on our island, non-selective

[0:32:21] Voice 11: deforestation and soil erosion, loss of green space, wildlife corridors, stressed freshwater

[0:32:26] Voice 11: resources, increased vehicle trips and greenhouse gas emissions, the prevalence of unregulated

[0:32:31] Voice 11: housing and the destabilizing of our island economy and social fabric are some of the

[0:32:36] Voice 11: existing impacts we anticipate will definitely worsen without proactive coordinated intervention

[0:32:41] Voice 11: and persistent leadership on housing. Our report, Homes for Islanders, an integrated framework for

[0:32:49] Voice 11: housing solutions on Salisbury Island, provides five key strategies for making a dent in our

[0:32:54] Voice 11: housing crisis. They are, and one and two have to happen in order for three, four, and five to

[0:33:00] Voice 11: actually happen. First one is creating a coordinated and properly resourced local approach to housing.

[0:33:05] Voice 11: That's an entity that will manage housing on the island. Conducting effective public education

[0:33:11] Voice 11: engagement and dialogue on housing, preserving rural areas and nature space through clustered

[0:33:17] Voice 11: housing, readying Ganges Village for more housing, and accessory dwellings for housing in the right

[0:33:24] Voice 11: places. Our framework pulls together and articulates the various threads of responsibility and advocates

[0:33:30] Voice 11: for housing solutions that have been implemented with success in other rural communities. These

[0:33:35] Voice 11: are the things we can focus on right now and work on collaboratively to change things for the better

[0:33:39] Voice 11: instead of being an exhaustive list of all the possible solutions we've chosen to focus on areas

[0:33:45] Voice 11: where local leadership is necessary and possible with the publication of our framework we're

[0:33:51] Voice 11: inviting elected officials and staff from all the various organizations to come together to

[0:33:58] Voice 11: discuss the key strategies that increase long-term housing auctions through a combination of local

[0:34:03] Voice 11: actions and then this fall we'll be inviting the public to join in the conversation you have the

[0:34:08] Voice 11: executive summary in your agenda package i believe i am at this moment waiting for the email with the

[0:34:13] Voice 11: final version of our framework and at which point we'll make it public and we'll send it to you

[0:34:18] Voice 11: thank you thank you

[0:34:21] Voice 4: all righty um thank you

[0:34:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay wonderful um so

[0:34:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): next is uh trustee reports uh

[0:34:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh who wants to go first i guess i could go first um i kind of wanted to make a comment to

[0:34:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): all those

[0:34:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): delegations but anyway maybe i'll make it now um it's true we did um you know

[0:35:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): i ran on a housing platform but much more than a housing platform um i also ran on a platform of

[0:35:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): on

[0:35:14] Voice 8: the idea that private property owners

[0:35:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): don't need to be regulated

[0:35:19] Voice 8: any further than they already

[0:35:21] Voice 8: are and

[0:35:22] Voice 6: it was a large part of my

[0:35:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): campaign as well as taking any new type

[0:35:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): of Conservancy land and putting it

[0:35:41] Voice 6: into working forests so I hope that we can

[0:35:46] Voice 6: look at that type of a thing when when we're moving forward with this new plan

[0:35:52] Voice 6: plan from from Spring Solutions so

[0:35:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): to continue with the report and we had a great visit up to

[0:36:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): the Maxwell Lake Watershed yesterday with our chair Peterson and witnessed the thriving

[0:36:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): and vibrant forest that's up there and actually looks quite nice and there's a huge huge area

[0:36:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's protected already. I've also met with a fairly large number of community

[0:36:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): members that

[0:36:32] Voice 8: have put together a plan to clean up the harbour in Ganges and they

[0:36:37] Voice 8: got something called the Clean

[0:36:39] Voice 6: and Safe Harbour Initiative. I'm really looking

[0:36:43] Voice 6: forward to hearing more about this and addressing the

[0:36:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): large problem we

[0:36:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): We have floating

[0:36:55] Voice 6: out in the harbor, floating as well as sinking at the moment.

[0:37:00] Voice 6: And, you know, I think we could really, I'm hoping

[0:37:04] Voice 8: that we can channel energy from other

[0:37:08] Voice 8: areas that possibly aren't really having any deliverables for us as a community, with

[0:37:13] Voice 8: Neal's Trust,

[0:37:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): and

[0:37:15] Voice 7: focus on something that we can do something about our actual real

[0:37:20] Voice 7: problem.

[0:37:21] Voice 7: and so they've got a great a great plan

[0:37:25] Voice 6: there and i'll leave it at that over to you

[0:37:34] Trustee Patrick: yes so housing last week i was at the the housing housing summit and we heard a lot about housing

[0:37:41] Trustee Patrick: today and and yeah it's not it's not just salt spring i have this is the guardian weekly and

[0:37:47] Trustee Patrick: there was an article back on february 24th lake tahoe has a people problem outsiders in as locals

[0:37:54] Trustee Patrick: go. And you can read the article and just take Lake Tahoe out and put salt spring in and it

[0:38:00] Trustee Patrick: describes exactly what we're seeing as well. As Mari had referred to, and that came up last week

[0:38:12] Trustee Patrick: quite often, is this unusual time where you have the federal government, the provincial government,

[0:38:17] Trustee Patrick: and local governments all aligned to saying the same thing,

[0:38:21] Trustee Patrick: a very rare occurrence, apparently.

[0:38:24] Trustee Patrick: I'll look to my neighbor here

[0:38:27] Trustee Patrick: with more political experience.

[0:38:28] Trustee Patrick: I'm still a newbie in that realm,

[0:38:30] Trustee Patrick: but that this is, if there ever was an opportunity,

[0:38:35] Trustee Patrick: it's now.

[0:38:36] Trustee Patrick: Although the federal parliamentary secretary

[0:38:38] Trustee Patrick: made a mistake of, he used an

[0:38:41] Trustee Patrick: analogy of saying

[0:38:43] Trustee Patrick: they didn't wanna spread the money around

[0:38:45] Trustee Patrick: like peanut butter over the whole country they wanted to send it to where it was needed but

[0:38:50] Trustee Patrick: they can tell you all the rural communities right away jumped up there and said we want peanut butter

[0:38:54] Trustee Patrick: um so that became the comment for the rest of the week about money was peanut butter

[0:39:00] Trustee Patrick: um the conversation you know we have land use regular not regulations necessarily but tools

[0:39:11] Trustee Patrick: and we have a taxation structure that has been built decades ago that's not working today

[0:39:17] Trustee Patrick: And there was a lot of conversations about that, you know, and I look to San Juan Islands

[0:39:24] Trustee Patrick: all the time, for example, it's not always do we want to wish we have American pipe regulation,

[0:39:28] Trustee Patrick: but sometimes we wish we had a few more

[0:39:30] Trustee Patrick: tools in our toolbox, like for their short term

[0:39:32] Trustee Patrick: vacation rentals are managed under the affordable housing umbrella.

[0:39:39] Trustee Patrick: And not only do they have a business license fee for those, they have an additional fee

[0:39:44] Trustee Patrick: for the loss of a housing unit that you know so they're taxing those who are benefiting

[0:39:50] Trustee Patrick: are getting taxed and that money goes into a fund which is included to 0.5 percent of the tax

[0:39:57] Trustee Patrick: transfer that they real estate transfer that they get to toward the affordable housing fund

[0:40:01] Trustee Patrick: and that was brought up quite a bit last week it's like we're watching last year 203 million

[0:40:09] Trustee Patrick: dollars was the residential real estate sales on this island. 100% of that transfer tax went

[0:40:16] Trustee Patrick: to the province. So we get left with the problems of the real estate sales, but we get left with

[0:40:24] Trustee Patrick: no money to address what the repercussions are. And I can tell you that was a big story that was

[0:40:30] Trustee Patrick: everyone was asking for that. We need to be able to have some of that money,

[0:40:38] Trustee Patrick: makes a 0.5 of a percent for well they think of one percent that they use for conservation land

[0:40:44] Trustee Patrick: and contributing to housing but 0.5 in addition to that dedicated just to an affordable housing

[0:40:50] Trustee Patrick: fund so um you know about the conversations uh one of the most interesting panel they had last

[0:40:59] Trustee Patrick: week was a media panel it was reporters that that sit in city halls and town halls and public

[0:41:06] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Juliette Boone, Public hearings and a lot of conversations about what do we do today when we've got so much diversity and conversations and people arguing and fighting over things and they're like.

[0:41:16] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Juliette Boone, But they said, we have to get out far earlier than ever thought of before, and we need that neutral informed voice and we've got to find.

[0:41:26] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Juliette Boone, To find and trust that voice and.

[0:41:31] Trustee Patrick: um and have those conversations and i'm grateful for salt spring solutions taking a step on this

[0:41:37] Trustee Patrick: paper i can't wait to see it and i hope all of us will read it and embrace it um on the non-housing

[0:41:46] Trustee Patrick: front i've been busy working i'm on a subgroup of the financial planning committee for the trust

[0:41:52] Trustee Patrick: council which is the body of 26 working on developing a process for the corporate planning

[0:41:59] Trustee Patrick: planning. We've been coming out of our working group and meeting with committees last

[0:42:05] Voice 12: week

[0:42:07] Trustee Patrick: and heading governance committee next week on that topic as it's being developed. A lot

[0:42:14] Trustee Patrick: of interest really focusing attention on the main tools in our toolbox that we need to

[0:42:21] Trustee Patrick: to get behind it and make the Alamstrasse

[0:42:25] Trustee Patrick: focus on what the work is that we need done

[0:42:29] Trustee Patrick: in our communities.

[0:42:39] Trustee Patrick: Oh, I'm looking forward, next week,

[0:42:41] Trustee Patrick: I'm gonna be going out with DFO,

[0:42:43] Trustee Patrick: Department of Fisheries and Oceans

[0:42:44] Trustee Patrick: on their annual burrowing survey,

[0:42:47] Trustee Patrick: where we go out to the little islets that are all around

[0:42:50] Trustee Patrick: that are part of the national,

[0:42:51] Trustee Patrick: that are controlled by even national parks.

[0:42:53] Trustee Patrick: um and uh um i'm looking forward to doing that trip next week that's

[0:43:00] Voice 12: my report thank

[0:43:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): you for that

[0:43:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): um so for my chair's report uh i just want to thank uh trustees and and and the folks from the

[0:43:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): north uh salt spring waterworks district for the little trip up to uh maxwell so yesterday it was

[0:43:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): good to go and see what's happening on the ground it's always much uh much more illuminating than

[0:43:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): reading reports and and looking at maps to actually put put your feet on the ground so

[0:43:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): really appreciate that and it was a gorgeous day for it um uh so uh good news on the uh

[0:43:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): reconciliation front the province has um approved a hundred and fifty thousand dollar grant to

[0:43:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): islands trust for uh protocol agreements and engagement um so it's good to see the province

[0:43:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): putting some funds in in our in our hands to uh to continue without those um processes and uh

[0:44:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): the uh trust council at the end of last month approved the first uh protocol agreement uh

[0:44:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): in a number of years with the snanahas uh nation and so that's uh going off to the minister for

[0:44:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): approval um so that brings us up to a total of three protocol agreements um clearly with over 30

[0:44:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): first nations and throughout the trust area there's there's a lot more work to do so uh we're

[0:44:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): pleased to be getting some funding from the province to to help go towards that ongoing work

[0:44:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): um as trustee patrick mentioned the governance committee will meet uh next week by happenstance

[0:44:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): All three of the members of this committee are on that committee, and indeed, we're going to be looking at the materials from the working group of Financial Planning Committee in terms of trying to work towards a new planning process to align the financial planning with strategic planning and merge that in a way that hasn't been done before in the organization.

[0:45:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): um can't say that i'm completely confident that that will be in place by next budget uh cycle but

[0:45:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): at least we're making progress towards that and i think that's a really positive thing

[0:45:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): there's a number of other things that the governance committee uh has uh been looking at

[0:45:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): in terms of trying to make priority actions for the committee um to recommend changes to trust

[0:45:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): Council but I think that's probably the top priority as I've heard from trustees at any

[0:45:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): rate I think that's certainly one of my top priorities as part of that committee and

[0:45:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): so Salt Spring Local Trust Committee towards

[0:46:01] Voice 5: the end of the month will be also working on

[0:46:04] Voice 5: some strategic um planning sitting down amongst us and and uh and

[0:46:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): spending some time trying to

[0:46:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): set our priorities for the term and uh that's uh an important piece of work so that we we

[0:46:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): basically make a plan instead of drifting around and and uh so uh that's a good thing and uh the

[0:46:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): executive committee is also going to do similar work with their work program uh coming may 3rd

[0:46:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): there'll be a similar type meeting to set priorities and reassess what's on on the on

[0:46:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): the list from the previous term see what needs to be uh further addressed what's set those

[0:46:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): priorities and and get to work so um and now in that sense i think all through the organization

[0:46:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): there is uh there's that setting of priorities and and really getting ready to get down to

[0:47:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): to the business at hand for the term so that's my report for today and we have a space for the crd

[0:47:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): director holman next thank you for joining us sir thanks chair um i

[0:47:15] Voice 17: want to thank marie for her

[0:47:17] Voice 17: presentation i will i'll kind of make some comments on the housing but just on other matters

[0:47:24] Voice 17: for now um the as people know the local community commission election may 27th

[0:47:31] Voice 17: uh candidates are starting to come forward i've seen three so far um i'm aware of others

[0:47:38] Voice 17: thinking about it and anyone i'm aware of or has declared are i i think they're i think they're

[0:47:45] Voice 17: all good candidates on optimistic uh of the the quality of folks who are coming forward um the

[0:47:56] Voice 17: crd had a webinar for candidates uh forget the dating so ago um just to inform candidates what

[0:48:06] Voice 17: they might be getting themselves into um and so there was a number of questions coming out of that

[0:48:11] Voice 17: the the webinar is archived i believe on the crd website so let me know if you can't access that

[0:48:17] Voice 17: but that should still be available for viewing uh siri staff plan when the lcc is elected to have an

[0:48:26] Voice 17: orientation session which would be common for any local government probably the ltc went through a

[0:48:32] Voice 17: similar process i know uh crd directors do uh but that would be um very helpful for newly elected

[0:48:40] Voice 17: folks to help them get their bearings. And I've asked and several commissions which will be

[0:48:52] Voice 17: dissolved. So the LCC will be taking over four island-wide commissions. And I've asked those

[0:48:57] Voice 17: commissions to provide recommendations to the LCC so that there's kind of a transition period. And I

[0:49:09] Voice 17: in my view maybe it'll be a thank you for volunteers from the commission so so that

[0:49:14] Voice 17: uh commissioners can directly speak to and of course that they can as citizens uh always

[0:49:21] Voice 17: speak to the lcc once once they're elected but it would be a good idea to have an event thank

[0:49:28] Voice 17: you event uh get together between volunteer commissioners and the lcc as a kind of a

[0:49:34] Voice 17: transition just i do want to mention one thing about the webinar one issue that came up in the

[0:49:38] Voice 17: webinar, a CRE staffer provided an indication of, well, how many times per year would the

[0:49:50] Voice 17: LCC be meeting? How long would those meetings be? I just want people to know to take those

[0:49:55] Voice 17: comments with a grain of salt, that the LCC, as elected officials, will ultimately decide

[0:50:02] Voice 17: on meeting times and how long those meetings are

[0:50:06] Voice 17: up to a constraint,

[0:50:09] Voice 17: which I've heard actually coming from the LTC staff as well,

[0:50:14] Voice 17: which at some point,

[0:50:17] Voice 17: if you're meeting more frequently

[0:50:21] Voice 17: and those meetings are going for a long period of time,

[0:50:24] Voice 17: it begs the question about,

[0:50:26] Voice 17: do you start to exceed the capacity of existing resources?

[0:50:30] Voice 17: But up to that level,

[0:50:31] Voice 17: it'll be elected officials who make that decision if we're requiring a number of meetings and

[0:50:38] Voice 17: meeting times that require additional staff we'll cross that bridge so that could be

[0:50:43] Voice 17: that could mean a requisition to increase but until when um so i just want to make sure people

[0:50:49] Voice 17: take the comments by staff uh with it with a grain of salt i know by the way that evening

[0:50:56] Voice 17: meeting meetings will come up. I know it's come up for the LPC. There are difficulties there around

[0:51:04] Voice 17: well just cost but also staff contracts and so we'll again we'll cross that bridge but I know

[0:51:15] Voice 17: it will come up for the LCC as it has come up for this body. The province has announced

[0:51:23] Voice 17: The province has incurred an unprecedented $6 billion surplus for this fiscal year, and they are busy spending that money on various good things.

[0:51:41] Voice 17: And as a social Democrat, I agree with that approach.

[0:51:44] Voice 17: approach. But one of the things that they're spending the money on is a billion dollar

[0:51:50] Voice 17: growing communities fund, which is allocated to every local government in British Columbia.

[0:51:56] Voice 17: That will include Salt Spring. The funding for electoral areas flows through the CRD board.

[0:52:02] Voice 17: The CRD board received $11.5 million from that growing communities fund. Salt Spring

[0:52:08] Voice 17: at the three electoral areas will benefit from that fund it'll be good news for us we're not

[0:52:16] Voice 17: entirely clear how good it will be but it absolutely will be beneficial for salt spring

[0:52:21] Voice 17: there are a set of guidelines that go along with that affordable housing is one of the things you

[0:52:26] Voice 17: can spend money on but a whole range of infrastructure needs and amenities like

[0:52:31] Voice 17: recreation facilities it's kind of similar to gas tax in in a way so we're still working out

[0:52:38] Voice 17: at the board uh how much each of the electoral areas will be getting and i'll be working with

[0:52:45] Voice 17: our staff our local staff um to put forward a list of priority projects for a salt spring the

[0:52:54] Voice 17: the dollars have to be allocated to a service before the end of this year and then we have

[0:53:00] Voice 17: five years to spend on it um but it will be good news for salt spring we're just not

[0:53:05] Voice 17: sure how good a news. I did want to mention

[0:53:09] Voice 17: the electrification event that the Energy Group, their 10-year

[0:53:13] Voice 17: anniversary, so they're proposing an event on

[0:53:17] Voice 17: electrification of transportation and just electrification

[0:53:21] Voice 17: in general. I think under early May, they're having Bob

[0:53:26] Voice 17: Corks and Corks, Bob, what's Bob's last name?

[0:53:29] Voice 4: McDonald. Yes,

[0:53:31] Voice 17: will be coming, he'll be a keynote

[0:53:33] Voice 17: speaker, but it is an interesting trend. Not only privately, Salt Spring has one of the highest

[0:53:41] Voice 17: per capita rates of EV purchases in British Columbia. There's over 400 now. But also,

[0:53:50] Voice 17: it's interesting how the marketplace is driving electrification. The marketplace combined with

[0:53:56] Voice 17: government policy government policies around rebates uh installing uh charging facilities

[0:54:03] Voice 17: public charging facilities by the way salt spring is part of a crd grant application uh

[0:54:09] Voice 17: for ev chargers throughout the regional district that will include if we're successful

[0:54:13] Voice 17: fingers crossed that will include a number of additional uh level two chargers here at

[0:54:18] Voice 17: salisbury probably pay uh you probably have

[0:54:22] Voice 17: to pay for use um and we have to trend that way anyway

[0:54:27] Voice 17: because you you have to maintain and replace the facilities but uh aside from that um bc transit

[0:54:34] Voice 17: has committed to electrifying its entire fleet by 2040. harbor air is electrifying its fleet

[0:54:41] Voice 17: BC, sorry, BC Ferries is deploying already, it is deploying hybrid electric ferries, there'll be two serving Vesuvius Crofton. And when they can, when they install shore power, and I believe the province, they're seeking federal funding to fund shore power, which is an expensive proposition.

[0:55:03] Voice 17: but those there are at least six hybrid elective ferries so even the ferry service for shorter runs

[0:55:12] Voice 17: is is moving towards that because it makes economic sense the fuel costs obviously

[0:55:18] Voice 17: much lower so anyway that should be an interesting event i would people consider

[0:55:24] Voice 17: attending on the active transportation front locally which by the way is one of the things

[0:55:31] Voice 17: that you could spend the growing communities fund dollars on so we we are near to um issuing

[0:55:40] Voice 17: contracts for designing the harbor walk for designing uh the harborside sidewalk which was

[0:55:48] Voice 17: part of the original north ganges transportation plan that goes from upper ganges road down past

[0:55:55] Voice 17: past the marina to the Thrifty's liquor store,

[0:56:00] Voice 17: Merchant Views, another pathway,

[0:56:03] Voice 17: close to those designs, close to being met.

[0:56:06] Voice 17: We're also, we'll be issuing contracts soon

[0:56:10] Voice 17: for a maintenance, a parks and rec maintenance facility

[0:56:14] Voice 17: on Kanaka Road, and that will also include,

[0:56:18] Voice 17: and it's the same contract to design a bus storage

[0:56:22] Voice 17: and charging facilities

[0:56:23] Voice 17: these when BC Transit actually agrees to electric buses for Salisbury, which we expect at some

[0:56:33] Voice 17: point, hopefully well before 2040. So there's a lot underway there. And of course, the Ganges,

[0:56:40] Voice 17: there's an active transportation plan for Ganges, which does fit into the eventual plan,

[0:56:47] Voice 17: the local area plan, hopefully that comes out for Ganges. Transportation is a key part of that. CRB

[0:56:52] Voice 17: be should be a key part of those uh discussions um ongoing uh the community economic sustainability

[0:57:00] Voice 17: commission just um uh have undertaken a uh a strategic planning exercise there was a workshop

[0:57:09] Voice 17: uh a week or so ago and that will result in recommendations towards an economic

[0:57:15] Voice 17: an updated economic plan for Salt Spring that that those recommendations will essentially constitute the recommendations of that commission to the LCC because the LCC will be taking over that service as well.

[0:57:32] Voice 17: And finally, on housing, the CRE board has requested staff to provide a report on a borrowing

[0:57:47] Voice 17: bylaw up to $85 million.

[0:57:50] Voice 17: Now, this is region wide.

[0:57:51] Voice 17: Salt Spring will be a part of this, both in terms of requisition, but also in terms of

[0:57:57] Voice 17: potential benefits.

[0:57:58] Voice 17: We have received funding from the Regional Housing First program, which is being renewed.

[0:58:04] Voice 17: So that $85 million borrowing would have to be approved by municipal councils and on Salt

[0:58:12] Voice 17: Spring by an alternative approval process, the so-called counter-petition.

[0:58:16] Voice 17: Hopefully that funding can be matched.

[0:58:18] Voice 17: So in our previous program, Regional Housing First 1.0, CRDC poured $40 million.

[0:58:27] Voice 17: That was matched by BC Housing, by CMHC, so we created a fund of $120 million, almost all of which now has been expended, but has built, including Croftonbrook, affordable housing received funding through that program, has built over 1,500 units within the regional district.

[0:58:49] Voice 17: So this $85 million boring proposal, which has to be politically, electorally approved, if we can get matching funding, could create an even larger fund to build affordable housing throughout the region, including on Salt Spring.

[0:59:05] Voice 17: The cost of that, if we bore the full amount, would amount to about $2 per month per household within the regional district.

[0:59:15] Voice 17: So there is a cost, but you're actually building new housing, which means for the most part, you're freeing up local housing.

[0:59:22] Voice 17: So there's a secondary benefit there. So I'll be supporting this.

[0:59:27] Voice 17: There will be a requisition implication for Salt Spring, but in my view, a very good investment.

[0:59:35] Voice 17: I did meet with the North Salt Spring Water District.

[0:59:38] Voice 17: one of the agencies that need to be involved in any interagency discussion is of course the water

[0:59:46] Voice 17: moratorium in ganges and so if if we can if the trust the crd the province can get together

[1:00:00] Voice 17: need to be thinking about ways that we could potentially free up water for suites and cottages

[1:00:05] Voice 17: which the local trust committee has already essentially legalized within their service area

[1:00:12] Voice 17: but uh have been prevented from proceeding because of the water moratorium uh the tricky thing there

[1:00:19] Voice 17: is the only litigation uh overhanging uh the water district and maybe they at some point need

[1:00:26] Voice 17: to be part of the discussion um but i i think again it's not something that just can resolve

[1:00:33] Voice 17: they need assistance and support from uh other agencies and that includes the security so i've

[1:00:39] Voice 17: put that out there the the uh the trust has already uh i'm not sure i have client lives

[1:00:45] Voice 17: but there is a memorandum of understanding between your water district and the trust

[1:00:49] Voice 17: so crd needs to be part of those uh conversations and we need to talk about that moratorium and the

[1:00:55] Voice 17: timing is good because of course there's an election there are four candidates running for

[1:01:00] Voice 17: the water district almost all of whom are are talking about that issue and and saying that we

[1:01:06] Voice 17: need to be collaborating with other agencies to see what we can do to free up water for affordable

[1:01:12] Voice 17: housing um uh sorry that was another oh uh one of the the elected officials have had a bit of a

[1:01:26] Voice 17: preview on the software solutions recommendations there are five of them and the one uh that that

[1:01:34] Voice 17: certainly does apply directly to the crd is this notion of a local housing authority or entity

[1:01:42] Voice 17: um and i look forward to those discussions and again interagency we need to be working together

[1:01:48] Voice 17: by the way the harbor uh like it or not does provide a considerable amount of i'm not sure

[1:01:55] Voice 17: you'd want to call it housing but there's a heck of a lot of people living in the harbor and it's

[1:02:00] Voice 17: a wild west out there and i was preaching to jamie's comment about uh and trustees have talked

[1:02:06] Voice 17: about it before the need to try and better manage that situation make it safer for people uh and

[1:02:13] Voice 17: again that involves interagency discussions and particularly senior governments who basically

[1:02:18] Voice 17: basically have left the harbor, they've abandoned their responsibilities, they're the ones that

[1:02:25] Voice 17: have authority over the seabed, over the water column, and they've completely abandoned it,

[1:02:30] Voice 17: we need to draw them in with the help of MLA Olson and MP, NRMP Elizabeth May, but again,

[1:02:42] Voice 17: Again, the first step is getting the agencies together in the same room to talk about possibilities there.

[1:02:50] Voice 17: It is fraught with peril.

[1:02:51] Voice 17: Stepping into regulating and managing the harbor in Ganges is a considerable undertaking that could involve significant liabilities.

[1:03:02] Voice 17: And that's the main concern that local governments have, is stepping into that breach.

[1:03:07] Voice 17: If you take responsibility for management, you're also taking on liabilities, and that's where the concern lies.

[1:03:15] Voice 17: But again, another issue where we need to be involving other agencies to make progress.

[1:03:24] Voice 17: And just on the local housing entity, we shouldn't forget that, A, we've got a local housing council here, which is a society.

[1:03:31] Voice 17: So one thing to think about is whether that society or an offshoot of that society could become that local entity. What they need is ongoing support. And I think there are ways of providing that. And the other thing to consider is we do have a regional housing corporation, which owns five acres of land at Drake Road, which the school district donated to the CRD.

[1:03:54] Voice 17: Indeed, we have a housing authority within the regional district now.

[1:03:58] Voice 17: So one part of the thinking about a local entity, and I don't disagree with the concept,

[1:04:08] Voice 17: is to, are there ways in which we can better engage and get the existing housing corporation,

[1:04:15] Voice 17: which is the single largest provider of affordable housing in the region, over 2,000 units.

[1:04:20] Voice 17: so some of the funding that i talked about before those units are going to be operated by the housing

[1:04:26] Voice 17: corporation in our thinking about a local entity we should be thinking about how that regional

[1:04:33] Voice 17: creature can be improved so it's more engaged and more beneficial to electoral areas in salt

[1:04:42] Voice 17: spring in particular around let's not uh let's not reinvent the wheel uh if if we don't have to

[1:04:47] Voice 17: Thank you, Chair.

[1:04:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): Thank you, Mr. Hallman.

[1:04:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay, and so that brings us to Section 8.

[1:04:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): We have the Draft Minutes of the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee

[1:05:02] Voice 5: from March 12th here for adoption.

[1:05:05] Voice 5: Is there any additions, corrections?

[1:05:08] Voice 5: Trustee Patrick?

[1:05:09] Trustee Patrick: Just a slight one on page 13 of the agenda package.

[1:05:16] Trustee Patrick: Under a trustee report, the second bullet says,

[1:05:20] Trustee Patrick: trustee Patrick pointed to develop a multi-year corporate plan.

[1:05:24] Trustee Patrick: We're just developing a process, not the plan.

[1:05:28] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[1:05:28] Voice 15: I

[1:05:29] Trustee Patrick: can

[1:05:30] Voice 15: add process to the end.

[1:05:31] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, just develop a process for a multi-year corporate plan.

[1:05:38] Trustee Patrick: Just so that's clear, we're not doing the plan.

[1:05:41] Trustee Patrick: And the final bullet, the Rural Island Economic Partnership

[1:05:44] Trustee Patrick: meeting coming up on April 25th, 27th,

[1:05:47] Trustee Patrick: It's about facilitating housing on rural islands, not just the southern Gulf Islands.

[1:05:55] Voice 15: So replace southern Gulf Islands with rural islands.

[1:05:58] Voice 12: Yes. Yes, please. And that's all I have.

[1:06:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): Anything for me, Trustee Harris?

[1:06:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): No thanks.

[1:06:05] Voice 5: All right, then I will take it by consent that the minutes are adopted as amended.

[1:06:12] Voice 5: it okay

[1:06:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): we don't have uh oh we do have our resolutions without meeting report on page 20.

[1:06:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh anything there trustees or staff no

[1:06:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay we have no advisory planning commissioning minutes and no public hearing record

[1:06:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): which brings us into the correspondence section we have quite a bit of correspondence today um

[1:06:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): Anything I believe is listed for information unless trustees want to address any parts

[1:06:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): of this.

[1:06:52] Voice 4: One or two if you like.

[1:07:06] Trustee Patrick: I just think because I know before the there's a there is a lot of conversation

[1:07:11] Trustee Patrick: and some of the conversations we heard this morning with Tim Hall and there will likely

[1:07:15] Trustee Patrick: be further conversation happening so we want to make it look

[1:07:21] Voice 12: like we're just ignoring it.

[1:07:24] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:07:25] Voice 5: Anything from you at all, Trustee Harris?

[1:07:29] Voice 5: so that brings

[1:07:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): us to section 10 business rising from the minutes uh we have a follow-up action

[1:07:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): list report on page 120. staff did you want to address anything on that list

[1:07:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): thank you okay

[1:07:49] Voice 5: so any questions for staff trustee patrick um

[1:07:53] Trustee Patrick: i know it's not show it's from august

[1:07:56] Trustee Patrick: But there was a resolution from back in August about revisiting agreements between the local trust committee and the regional and the CRD, in particular, the LCC about to come.

[1:08:12] Trustee Patrick: Those elections are in a month. I'm just wondering if we have any updates on when we may see some recommendations on that.

[1:08:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): Mr. Chair, we were hoping to get that on this meeting.

[1:08:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): Unfortunately, we weren't able to see the draft that had been started.

[1:08:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): We're looking forward to getting it up to you for the next meeting.

[1:08:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): So it will be very timely, quickly following the LCC election.

[1:08:41] Trustee Patrick: It'll be close.

[1:08:42] Trustee Patrick: I think it is important.

[1:08:43] Trustee Patrick: I mean, I'm absolutely hoping and pledging full support with the LCC,

[1:08:47] Trustee Patrick: but I think all the old regional agreements that we had with the CRD

[1:08:52] Trustee Patrick: never envisioned with an lcc so make

[1:08:55] Voice 4: sure you have

[1:08:55] Trustee Patrick: good solid ground to work together on

[1:08:58] Trustee Patrick: and lean on agreements that you can use okay so anything further on

[1:09:04] Voice 5: this today thank you

[1:09:06] Voice 5: all right then we'll move on to the bylaw enforcement report we'll

[1:09:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): have on page 133 and

[1:09:15] jaylin is here with us today thank you sir for coming morning chair committee uh prepared for

[1:09:23] Voice 7: Well trust committee. Really what is something to receive

[1:09:26] Voice 7: for information only the basic statistics and information on

[1:09:30] Voice 7: current enforcement on Salt Spring.

[1:09:34] Voice 7: And really the focus that I've done is providing you with the

[1:09:39] Voice 7: just the basic statistics is a breakdown more on the

[1:09:43] Voice 7: certification, rental enforcement, and our efforts to

[1:09:47] Voice 7: to bring the non-permitted STDRs into compliance

[1:09:52] Voice 7: for further information on historic communication rentals.

[1:09:57] Voice 7: With the current number of files,

[1:09:59] Voice 7: 33 of those are for secondary suites,

[1:10:03] Voice 7: 52 involve seasonal cottages,

[1:10:05] Voice 7: and 44 are for single family dwellings.

[1:10:10] Voice 7: And as I state in the report,

[1:10:12] Voice 7: in the end, some of the issues to discuss is,

[1:10:15] Voice 7: there continues to be the confusion

[1:10:16] Voice 7: of the role of seasonal cottages as part of a bed and breakfast operation and many operators

[1:10:22] Voice 7: believe they can use them to stand alone units without operating a bed and breakfast which is

[1:10:27] Voice 7: not the case so we do spend a considerable amount of time trying to deal with that issue

[1:10:32] and you know hopefully at some point there can be a resolution to that particular aspect

[1:10:39] of this enforcement problem is dealing with finally what a seasonal cottage can and cannot

[1:10:47] Voice 7: be used for and I know there were some discussions previously about the amount of time that's spent

[1:10:58] Voice 7: on charter vacation rental enforcement as I've said in the report I think it's we are doing some

[1:11:06] Voice 7: good we are bringing units back into the housing supply i can't necessarily provide you with an

[1:11:13] Voice 7: exact number but we do have operators who do make commitments to stop the use and turn it back to

[1:11:21] Voice 7: housing but there is that resistance that remains and will always remain from

[1:11:29] Voice 7: landlords about whether or not they want to have tenants in their property

[1:11:32] and whether or not you know some of them still want to use their property from time to time and

[1:11:38] Voice 7: they like the airbnb option but you know it's not lawful on the island and we've done a considerable

[1:11:45] Voice 7: considerable amount of expense but there's considerable amount of resources and time

[1:11:51] Voice 7: to try and address the issue um to try and identify how many rentals are on the island

[1:11:57] Voice 7: I know on social media the numbers keep getting thrown out to very high numbers of maybe five

[1:12:03] Voice 7: six hundred rentals that just isn't the case there's approximately 250 advertisements on Airbnb

[1:12:10] Voice 7: and not all of those are unlawful but we've done regular basically

[1:12:19] Voice 7: research almost an audit of all of those advertisements to get an exact number

[1:12:24] Voice 7: and those are the numbers that we're dealing with and we've got 117 open files so you're looking at

[1:12:30] Voice 7: approximately half of those ads that may represent an unlawful operation so i know there's concerns

[1:12:36] Voice 7: when people see online about hundreds of ads that are there some of that is just basically

[1:12:43] Voice 7: advertising when you go to the airbnb site if it lists three or four hundred listings

[1:12:48] Voice 7: they're doing a 25 kilometer radius around salt spring and capturing other islands or even a

[1:12:53] Voice 7: 50 kilometer radius so they may be capturing all rentals of the southern wall filings and parts of

[1:12:58] Voice 7: vancouver island so that's where you get these high numbers but i think our number of approximately

[1:13:04] 250 is is realistic on just what the total number is and we will be doing uh again

[1:13:13] Voice 7: the high season

[1:13:13] Voice 7: is starting we'll be going over all the new ads and if new files need to be opened we'll open new

[1:13:19] Voice 7: files on the operations so we are paying as much attention as possible as we can to the issue

[1:13:27] Voice 7: but i know there were concerns raised at one of the previous meetings about the efforts that we

[1:13:32] Voice 7: do put into proactive enforcement so the alternative is there for the local trust

[1:13:37] Voice 7: committee they can't consider whether or not to continue with this proactive effort enforcement

[1:13:43] Voice 7: to action on certification that is an option that the local trust committee can proceed with

[1:13:51] and i'll take your questions if you have any questions for

[1:13:55] Voice 4: i don't have any questions

[1:13:57] Trustee Patrick: mr patrick i'd have a few yes um i do know most a lot of communities there's that there's a service

[1:14:06] Trustee Patrick: you can get that gives you the numbers i forget what it's called um get data on the units i don't

[1:14:15] Trustee Patrick: or do we subscribe to that service?

[1:14:16] Trustee Patrick: I know it's a community service

[1:14:18] Voice 7: that you have

[1:14:19] Trustee Patrick: to pay for.

[1:14:21] Voice 7: But I've looked at what they can provide,

[1:14:23] Voice 7: and it's inadequate and doesn't...

[1:14:26] Trustee Patrick: Just for numbers.

[1:14:27] Trustee Patrick: I know it's not for bylaw enforcement purposes,

[1:14:29] Trustee Patrick: but I meant for numeric purposes.

[1:14:32] Voice 7: But it's inaccurate.

[1:14:32] Voice 7: I've looked at what they've sent me.

[1:14:35] Voice 7: They've tried to do this pitch.

[1:14:37] Voice 7: Numeral agencies have done this over the years,

[1:14:39] Voice 7: and all they do is give you a listing.

[1:14:41] Voice 7: They just pull up a list,

[1:14:42] Voice 7: in here here's 500 listings that we find in bc or close to salt spring i was just

[1:14:48] Trustee Patrick: curious people

[1:14:49] Trustee Patrick: talked about uh this did come up um i you know we will be having our planning session our strategic

[1:14:57] Trustee Patrick: planning session coming up

[1:14:58] Trustee Patrick: here in a couple of weeks and i i personally hope that we have to

[1:15:05] Trustee Patrick: make short-term vacation rentals an intimate part of the affordable housing

[1:15:10] Trustee Patrick: conversation they are I know you you reference the residential tenancy act as being one of the

[1:15:17] Trustee Patrick: main reasons why people are doing this it's money it's you know I I read real estate ads like

[1:15:23] Trustee Patrick: everyone else here and it's like you know yes you know guest accommodation you know is in about 50

[1:15:31] Trustee Patrick: percent of the ads that are in the brochures that's how they're being sold and that's how

[1:15:35] Trustee Patrick: people are justifying building and buying a 1.3 million dollar house on this island when they

[1:15:40] Trustee Patrick: can't afford it they are expecting to get the income from from um short-term vacation rentals

[1:15:45] Trustee Patrick: which is just far more lucrative than than rentals um you know the toolkit that came out

[1:15:53] Trustee Patrick: on managing short-term vacation rentals makes it very clear making them illegal is stupid

[1:16:00] Trustee Patrick: that will not work you know and i think we are a a work in progress to demonstrate that

[1:16:08] Trustee Patrick: that making them illegal isn't solving the problem.

[1:16:11] Trustee Patrick: We've got to manage them.

[1:16:13] Trustee Patrick: We need to manage them aggressively.

[1:16:14] Trustee Patrick: We need to manage them with Mr. Talkative

[1:16:17] Trustee Patrick: that was here just a few minutes ago.

[1:16:20] Trustee Patrick: The CRD, the Islands Trust,

[1:16:22] Trustee Patrick: we have to work together and manage this

[1:16:24] Trustee Patrick: using every tool in the toolbox we can.

[1:16:28] Trustee Patrick: I know I'll be meeting next week

[1:16:30] Trustee Patrick: with the accommodation group here on the island.

[1:16:32] Trustee Patrick: They want it regulated too.

[1:16:35] Trustee Patrick: We've got corporations coming in here

[1:16:37] Trustee Patrick: and buying multiple properties and running a hotel and that's hurting our local business owners and

[1:16:44] Trustee Patrick: neighbors and friends when we see this kind of corporate money coming in and getting involved

[1:16:49] Trustee Patrick: so we've got work to do I really appreciate it I'm glad you're out there proactively I know it's

[1:16:55] Trustee Patrick: playing a game of whack-a-mole that is probably the most uninspiring work you could do I'm

[1:17:04] Trustee Patrick: grateful you're doing it um and i you know i i would like to get you a bigger hammer

[1:17:10] Trustee Patrick: so that they don't come back up again um and we've got it we've got to put our mind to this

[1:17:19] Trustee Patrick: and i like i said i look at san juan's where people doing this business they're making money

[1:17:26] Trustee Patrick: and they should be contributing to helping us put people involved sorry it makes me pain

[1:17:34] Trustee Patrick: english really

[1:17:35] Voice 5: okay

[1:17:37] Trustee Patrick: well

[1:17:38] Voice 5: thank you trustee patrick anything at all from you any questions at this

[1:17:43] Voice 5: time no thank you okay well

[1:17:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): thank you mr digman for the report and uh trustees yes i just want to

[1:17:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): add uh mr damon is here because he has a standing resolution to provide updates i know that we this

[1:18:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): This is, I think, the second time that we've had in common.

[1:18:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): It's been about a quarter since our very first LTC meeting as a group here.

[1:18:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): Is there support to continue this?

[1:18:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): Do you want to see these quarterly?

[1:18:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): Or I just want to make sure that, I just wanted to check in with you.

[1:18:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'm very happy, if I may, Mr. Chair.

[1:18:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'm very happy to hear because it's spurred me to think of some questions

[1:18:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): that maybe

[1:18:26] Voice 6: I'd like to reach out at a later date

[1:18:28] Voice 6: and talk to Mr. Dingman about.

[1:18:32] Voice 6: So I really appreciate these

[1:18:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): quarterly updates.

[1:18:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): And Trustee Patrick,

[1:18:38] Voice 5: can you comment on that?

[1:18:39] Voice 5: Do you want to continue that?

[1:18:40] Trustee Patrick: I think at this time,

[1:18:41] Trustee Patrick: we always want to hear for burdening uselessly.

[1:18:45] Trustee Patrick: We don't want to do that.

[1:18:46] Trustee Patrick: We want to make sure the information is being used well.

[1:18:49] Voice 9: And I

[1:18:50] Trustee Patrick: hope that we'll be putting our mind to this

[1:18:52] Trustee Patrick: into a regulatory regime where I'm assuming

[1:18:56] Trustee Patrick: we'll have advice on what to expect.

[1:19:00] Trustee Patrick: Well, we should put

[1:19:01] Voice 12: our mind to it

[1:19:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): sounds like support to me

[1:19:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): All right. Well, thank you for that

[1:19:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): So trustees then we'll receive the report for information and I'm just gonna call a quick recess

[1:19:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): So

[1:19:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): five minutes

[1:19:23] Yes, sir, we've reached the end of our morning agenda

[1:19:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's could go in camera and then return at noon

[1:19:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): new so

[1:19:32] Voice 7: we would go in camera to our encamber ward rise and report and while you have your

[1:19:38] Voice 7: five-minute recess we

[1:19:39] Voice 8: will prepare for an encamber okay

[1:19:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's does that acceptable trustees sure

[1:19:44] Trustee Patrick: should we read the i don't have the

[1:19:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): um we can we can read it when we get back okay i wouldn't be

[1:19:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): calling a recess right now but it's here does that

[1:20:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay so we've returned from recess and uh have a motion to close the meeting here

[1:20:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): um trustee harris do you want to read the motion i move the salt spring island local trust

[1:20:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): committee close this

[1:20:14] Voice 6: meeting to the public subject to community charter section 90.

[1:20:18] Voice 6: keep going the receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor client privilege including communications

[1:20:29] Voice 6: necessary for that purpose and that the staff be invited to remain so

[1:20:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): moved uh seconder uh

[1:20:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): any

[1:20:42] Voice 5: further discussion all those in favor motion carries we'll now move

[1:20:47] Voice 4: into the closed session

[1:47:58] Voice 4: i think it's better to see

[1:48:00] Voice 15: if that was an 11 32.

[1:48:07] Voice 15: all

[1:48:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): right well let's just start repeating a new one okay well we'll uh call the meeting back to

[1:48:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): order uh am i to take then okay we're just gonna call the meeting back to order um and we're uh

[1:48:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): on section 13 applications and referrals and we have uh sslbc 2023.1

[1:48:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): 109 mcphillips ave and a staff report uh on page 135. is from chris

[1:48:48] Voice 4: buckham who is

[1:48:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): signed remotely joining us remotely are you online there chris i

[1:48:55] Voice 1: am good afternoon please proceed

[1:48:59] Voice 1: all right so we have an application for a non-medical cannabis retail store

[1:49:03] Voice 1: in brackets crs license at 105 mcphillips avenue if the local government chooses to consider this

[1:49:09] Voice 1: application the liquor and cannabis control and licensing branch known as the lcrb requires the

[1:49:13] Voice 1: local governments to conduct the public consultation and provide written comments back

[1:49:17] Voice 1: to the branch these comments should specify one that the local government's consideration

[1:49:21] Voice 1: of the location uh for the proposed store two the views of the local government on the general

[1:49:27] Voice 1: community impact of the proposal. Three, the views of the residents and a description as to

[1:49:32] Voice 1: how the residents' views were gathered. And four, the local government's ultimate recommendation

[1:49:36] Voice 1: and rationale as to whether the application should be approved or rejected. Now, in 2018,

[1:49:41] Voice 1: there was a standing resolution on Canvas application process put in place. And this

[1:49:46] Voice 1: resolution states that the process shall comprise of a public consultation component.

[1:49:50] Voice 1: And this includes one notification to neighbors, one public meeting, posting of public notices, and one advertisement.

[1:50:01] Voice 1: Two, that the public consultation shall be determined by the Local Trust Council after the initial review of the proposal, which is today.

[1:50:08] Voice 1: And three, the Local Trust Committee will mail or otherwise deliver a notice to all owners and residents of the properties within a 500-meter radius of the subject property

[1:50:19] Voice 1: at least 10 days before adoption of a resolution providing a comment on the application.

[1:50:25] Voice 1: Now, going to analysis, based on the LCP, the proposal is compliant.

[1:50:29] Voice 1: According to the Land Use By-law, the retail sales proposal is a permitted use.

[1:50:33] Voice 1: However, one thing I noted is that the entire building is not really compliant with the parking regulations.

[1:50:40] Voice 1: Based on the 1979 development permit, 27 parking stalls were required and tied to a specific parking layout.

[1:50:47] Voice 1: That's included as attachment 5. Based on a site visit and corresponds with the applicant, 27 stalls are no longer available on site and the layout has deviated.

[1:50:57] Voice 1: The actual facility owner has reassured staff that the parking lot will be restored to the previous layout.

[1:51:03] Voice 1: It will likely be recommended that a parking restoration will be required prior to the final LTC consideration.

[1:51:11] Voice 1: If the site can't be restored at the previous layout, variance would likely be required.

[1:51:16] Voice 1: So, while following the minimum consultation requirements established under the 2018 standing resolution which includes that 500 meter mail out radius staff recommend that the application be forwarded first to the APC for review and comment.

[1:51:29] Voice 1: And then, a open house be held. After the APC referral and public consultation, a second report would be brought back to the local trust committee detailing the consultation process undertaken.

[1:51:40] Voice 1: taken. Thank

[1:51:44] Voice 5: you. Trustees, any questions?

[1:51:50] Voice 4: Well, I mean, it's, I

[1:52:01] Trustee Patrick: just don't know. Parking in

[1:52:05] Trustee Patrick: Ganges is a language challenge. I just, in 1979, you know, 27 parking spots were approved and

[1:52:20] Trustee Patrick: there's 17 now you know so I guess I how that happened um is is interesting um but I do know

[1:52:34] Trustee Patrick: when we we had we had this same application uh last term um just different applicant uh

[1:52:44] Trustee Patrick: this issue wasn't brought up so um I just you know anytime I see something like this it just

[1:52:51] Trustee Patrick: makes me think how how could if we if we're approving development permits and then but yet

[1:52:56] Trustee Patrick: changes happens i guess is this would be normal for a municipality that the only time you catch

[1:53:02] Trustee Patrick: it is if they come back again for an application is that normal process is how you find people

[1:53:09] Trustee Patrick: you know didn't do what they said they would do or change their mind and did something different

[1:53:20] Trustee Patrick: other thing is i know if we're going to send this to the advisory planning commission i know the

[1:53:26] Trustee Patrick: comments that we were receiving from them last term is they they do appreciate if we give them

[1:53:30] Trustee Patrick: direct what do we want to hear from them is our question is this location appropriate is you know

[1:53:38] Trustee Patrick: we should we should be specific about what what advice from the advisory planning committee so

[1:53:45] Trustee Patrick: they have some

[1:53:46] Voice 4: idea what to

[1:53:47] Voice 4: tell us okay if i may mr chair the

[1:53:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): the the role of the any apc is to

[1:54:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): simply provide advice typically relying on local knowledge in the case of our apc bylaw um relying

[1:54:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): to some extent the application of professional knowledge to that local knowledge um so that we

[1:54:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): can and simply provide resolutions ideally recommending you in good favor or not in favor

[1:54:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): of an application so providing LTC with some assurance so that's been vetted by a group of

[1:54:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): peer community members and made a recommendation that they're offering other considerations that

[1:54:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): they may wish to consider in this case it may be helpful to have them comment on any policies

[1:54:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): in terms of, as Trustee Patrick mentioned,

[1:54:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): things like siting your location,

[1:54:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): if the APC feels those are sufficient,

[1:54:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): they may wish to provide direct recommendations

[1:54:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): to the LTC if that is the case.

[1:55:00] Trustee Patrick: But

[1:55:00] Voice 4: also, I mean,

[1:55:01] Voice 12: we

[1:55:02] Trustee Patrick: approved recommending

[1:55:05] Trustee Patrick: this go to the Liberty Board before,

[1:55:07] Trustee Patrick: it's just the applicant either didn't get permission,

[1:55:11] Trustee Patrick: something, I don't know what happened.

[1:55:12] Trustee Patrick: we don't have that story so in this case i'm just this is like a new application

[1:55:18] Trustee Patrick: it's been sitting there with cannabis written on the door for i don't know

[1:55:22] Trustee Patrick: how long has that

[1:55:23] Trustee Patrick: story been there 10 probably pushing 10 years it's not open no but i mean it says cannabis on

[1:55:32] Trustee Patrick: that outside and it's been sitting there so it's no surprise to the community um and like so we

[1:55:38] Trustee Patrick: approved it once before i just don't want to waste the advisory planning committee's time either if

[1:55:45] Trustee Patrick: it's not like it doesn't you know it exists a closed store um

[1:55:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay just so i'm trying to get

[1:55:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): some clarity there are you are you suggesting that you uh don't want to uh refer it to the apc

[1:56:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): or that you want to refer it with some more specific direction for what we're asking for or

[1:56:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): i

[1:56:13] Voice 12: don't know what are your thoughts i'd like to hear justy harris

[1:56:17] Voice 12: well i'm

[1:56:23] Voice 4: definitely in the position to say support

[1:56:26] Voice 4: yes i know that's for sure we can send it to the advisory planning committee

[1:56:38] Voice 4: well but is that is that what we really want to do uh so

[1:56:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): if you know if there's a couple

[1:56:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): alternatives here the recommendation is to

[1:56:56] Voice 4: go to the um

[1:57:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): so yeah i mean we can request further

[1:57:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): information we can refuse the application we can defer the decision uh although that's not ideal

[1:57:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): deal. Well, in order to

[1:57:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): so let's say we're going to refuse the application. We need to come up with the reasons as to why.

[1:57:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): Absolutely.

[1:57:23] Voice 6: And that would

[1:57:28] Voice 6: be a case where we would probably refer the decision or delay

[1:57:35] Voice 6: this assuming.

[1:57:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): So, yeah,

[1:57:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'd like to get a sense of

[1:57:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): it sounds like, Trustee Harris, you're not ready to advance this

[1:57:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): at this moment definitely not trustee patrick item

[1:57:53] Trustee Patrick: two is i mean we have to they have to have

[1:57:55] Trustee Patrick: an open house on this topic so i mean proceeding with item two and having an open house and hearing

[1:58:01] Trustee Patrick: what the public feel about this location is is prudent um i'm just saying i'm happy to ask the

[1:58:09] Trustee Patrick: advisory planning committee to get to i just don't know i don't want to waste their time

[1:58:14] Trustee Patrick: I'm being leery of their time. This was a, you know, a gym store and it was proposing to be a

[1:58:21] Trustee Patrick: cannabis store. It has been a cannabis store, not legally,

[1:58:26] Trustee Patrick: it's closed, but we did have an LCB on it

[1:58:30] Trustee Patrick: that we did proceed last term and it's sitting there with cannabis written on the door so it's

[1:58:35] Trustee Patrick: a no surprise to the community. But, you know, item two of having a public open house I think

[1:58:41] Trustee Patrick: is important i would like that feedback so we don't have to decide we like it or not today

[1:58:46] Trustee Patrick: i think to me the only question is do we want to is there benefit of asking the advisory planning

[1:58:52] Trustee Patrick: committee to come in and meet on this store yeah my gut is it's kind of a could be a waste of their

[1:59:01] Trustee Patrick: time well

[1:59:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): um i'm gonna i'm gonna uh just say that i i in this case i mean i would tend to if it were

[1:59:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): my community i tend to go ahead and and ask the apc for some feedback um but i'm happy to to go

[1:59:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): with the pleasure of the local trustees here if you wanted to proceed with a recommendation too

[1:59:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): And then you could consider, based on that, going to the APC at that point.

[1:59:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): Probably if we're going to use the APC, it's probably better to do it now.

[1:59:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): But I don't take a strong stance in terms of if you have a preference of how you want to address this today.

[1:59:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): At your pleasure, we have some recommended resolutions in front of us.

[1:59:54] Trustee Patrick: Well, I'll start with the second one, because that one I think is an easy one.

[1:59:57] Trustee Patrick: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct.

[2:00:00] Trustee Patrick: staff to hold a public open house to gather community input on the cannabis retail store

[2:00:04] Trustee Patrick: license application for canada northwest enterprises inc all

[2:00:09] Voice 5: right so moved and do i have

[2:00:10] Voice 5: a second okay moved and

[2:00:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): seconded further discussion no further discussion we'll go ahead and call the

[2:00:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): question on that and then all in favor and so that motion carries um arkham hadn't it looked like you

[2:00:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): were trying to get my attention there well just on if i may mr chair um the um the the question

[2:00:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): of using the apc i can understand the local trust committee's um apprehension about doing this in a

[2:00:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): situation about what is sort of superficially a repeat referral to the apc um however i would

[2:00:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): i would suggest that we don't necessarily have a real template for this type of situation

[2:00:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): and reconsiderations are rare in local government in most cases and less so in terms of cannabis

[2:01:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): applications. So in cases where you're dealing with an odd situation, my recommendation is

[2:01:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): probably to simply follow a procedure. It's probably the most prudent approach to simply

[2:01:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): hold the APC. There may be new APC members. I'm not too sure how long ago the first one went.

[2:01:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): and there may be you know pre

[2:01:25] Trustee Patrick: -pandemic yeah that's all i can remember so

[2:01:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): um you know the

[2:01:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): the terms of the abc uh the makeup may be different so um it may be very likely that

[2:01:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): they come back and say why did you send this to us uh but they may also have some suggestions

[2:01:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay thank you for that advice well

[2:01:44] Trustee Patrick: sure i'll make the motion we debated upon i moved at the

[2:01:47] Trustee Patrick: salt spring island local trust committee referred cannabis retail license application for canada

[2:01:51] Trustee Patrick: northwest enterprises inc to the advisory planning commission for review and comment

[2:01:56] Voice 5: so move to have a second i'll go ahead and second it for discussion um further discussion

[2:02:04] Voice 5: necessary no no further discussion i'll

[2:02:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): go ahead and call the question then all in favor

[2:02:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): and any opposed okay thank you for that um and as to the third uh resolution here

[2:02:19] Trustee Patrick: I'll move that this also be on local trust committee direct staff to bring forward a

[2:02:23] Trustee Patrick: second report following the public consultation period which details the consultation process

[2:02:29] Trustee Patrick: conducted by the island's trust staff so

[2:02:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): moved up second yes indeed uh any further discussion

[2:02:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): on that I'm not seeing any I'll call the question all in favor and the motion carries as well okay

[2:02:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay, so that brings us on to section 14 local trust committee projects.

[2:02:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): First up is the bylaw 530 we have a staff report, and I believe that is plenicarbo.

[2:03:04] Voice 4: Okay, so over to you when you're ready.

[2:03:38] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:03:44] Voice 16: Thank

[2:03:45] Voice 15: you, Chair and trustees.

[2:03:46] Voice 15: these. So by this bylaw 530G report, it's essentially focusing on the five resolutions

[2:03:57] Voice 15: that trustees request the staff to report on, particularly on the analysis. So in terms

[2:04:05] Voice 15: of the, this slide will show the five resolutions. So in terms of the first resolution, the research

[2:04:13] Voice 15: to limit the number of ADUs that may be permitted in a given time period.

[2:04:20] Voice 15: Staff shows on Appendix 1 the analysis for Table 1 attached to the staff report.

[2:04:28] Voice 15: And in terms of a second resolution, opportunities for amendments that can further minimize environmental impacts,

[2:04:35] Voice 15: such as total flow area, shared driveways, and proximities of structures is shown on table two of the appendix one.

[2:04:46] Voice 15: And the third resolution that talks about communication piece has been developed for consideration and is attached as appendix two.

[2:04:55] Voice 15: Sorry, I think it's attachment two. I'm still using the word appendix.

[2:05:00] Voice 15: And the summary of the public written comments under Resolution 4 is shown on Attachment 3.

[2:05:10] Voice 15: And for the last resolution regarding meeting with First Nations, staff met with SEAL First Nations that submitted their written opposition to the proposed bylaw in late January.

[2:05:23] Voice 15: And they affirm their concerns with expanding use in many zones without any analysis of potential environmental impacts.

[2:05:34] Voice 15: So not a lot of headway made at that meeting.

[2:05:38] Voice 15: And the next slide, after the analysis, stack all three options for discussions today.

[2:05:45] Voice 15: And option one is propose no changes to the existing final flexibility.

[2:05:52] Voice 15: ability allows ADUs to be in most zones except for the community well capture zone or community

[2:06:01] Voice 15: water system unless the operator of the system submit a support letter of support and they draw

[2:06:10] Voice 15: the proposed bylaw does offer development standards including size height and distance

[2:06:18] Voice 15: between buildings under the current bylaw.

[2:06:21] Voice 15: And option two that's proposed,

[2:06:24] Voice 15: we offer more restrictions to the building size

[2:06:28] Voice 15: and we include interior setbacks

[2:06:32] Voice 15: and dry-foil requirements based on the analysis

[2:06:35] Voice 15: of the resolutions per LTC's request

[2:06:39] Voice 15: to reduce potential adverse environmental impact.

[2:06:44] Voice 15: We did propose the maximum floor area

[2:06:47] Voice 15: year to be 56 square meter regardless of the size of the lot and we added size setback and

[2:06:55] Voice 15: driveway requirement um allows seasonal cottage and full-time rental cottage back in the bylaw

[2:07:03] Voice 15: but only one whether it's uh one may be used whether it's seasonal cottage full-time rental

[2:07:10] Voice 15: cottage or adu or secondary suites so it's a little bit of a slight change and the reason

[2:07:16] Voice 15: we propose that is because it's currently uh there are lots of Susan on colleges out there

[2:07:22] Voice 15: and and full-time right to college and uh it's also in the existing OCP uh so we offer that

[2:07:31] Voice 15: option to consider and uh this option uh will likely still get concerned receive concerns from

[2:07:39] Voice 15: on sale for stations, and we propose the clean version

[2:07:43] Voice 15: and the striped through on attachment six.

[2:07:48] Voice 15: And the final option, the next slide,

[2:07:51] Voice 15: shows to scale it completely back to just about ADUs

[2:07:58] Voice 15: in where secondary suites are allowed,

[2:08:01] Voice 15: which is currently shown on Schedule I.

[2:08:05] Voice 15: And again, it's only ADU for secondary suites.

[2:08:08] Voice 15: you cannot have both on the lot so those are three options to consider and we also the last slide

[2:08:16] Voice 15: shows the resolutions the first one is on the front page it's really just discussions and

[2:08:25] Voice 15: ltc can pick the options and ask us to bring it back and do any revision as you request or you can

[2:08:37] Voice 15: And under the alternative options in the SAP report,

[2:08:42] Voice 15: there are two resolutions.

[2:08:43] Voice 15: One is select one of the options,

[2:08:45] Voice 15: move forward to second reading,

[2:08:47] Voice 15: and then the third is to defeat the proposed bylaw.

[2:08:52] Voice 15: We always have that third option in the SAP report.

[2:08:56] Voice 15: So with that being said, happy to answer any questions.

[2:09:01] Voice 4: Questions, comments?

[2:09:05] Trustee Patrick: Start?

[2:09:07] Voice 4: Sure, you can start.

[2:09:08] Trustee Patrick: Oh, I guess I'll kick it off. Well, thank you for bringing this back. And I've given this an immense amount of thought and spent a lot of time looking at how best to go forward.

[2:09:28] Trustee Patrick: forward. I know in the question we talked about the limiting the numbers of the units, and the one thing that is not addressed in there is just the reality of the limited number of units and and I point out the report that was done in 2021 the accessory

[2:09:48] Trustee Patrick: three dwelling units case studies and best practices from bc communities has data in there

[2:09:53] Trustee Patrick: and if you talk to the authors of this report they'll give you the raw data and you can see

[2:09:59] Trustee Patrick: and have access to the raw data the numbers are not there for our community best case uptake is

[2:10:08] Trustee Patrick: between seven and ten percent best case um we can look to where they're already approved

[2:10:18] Trustee Patrick: gabriel island allows secondary suites over the entire island they're not getting built

[2:10:22] Trustee Patrick: north pender allows them over the entire island they're not getting built

[2:10:25] Trustee Patrick: we have the reports from the crd that did the feasibility on the cost of building them and

[2:10:33] Trustee Patrick: they're not feasible that's why they're not getting built they're so expensive um the

[2:10:39] Trustee Patrick: closest unit that comes to almost feasible is a second a basement suite basically in the house

[2:10:46] Trustee Patrick: is the most cost effective to come online uh a suite within like an accessory building

[2:10:54] Trustee Patrick: which is the next but it's you know it's still substantially more money so

[2:11:00] Trustee Patrick: So I think we need to stress that, and if we proceed with referral, I think we need to go back to First Nations and make sure we have a cover letter that says that is our expectation, and is that, it's a best case between 7% and 10% uptake, and so the numbers aren't going to be there.

[2:11:29] Trustee Patrick: i think as a security case i think that i'd like thank trustee harris he asked the question in our

[2:11:37] Trustee Patrick: last meeting well what if we what if what if something happens that we didn't expect and

[2:11:42] Trustee Patrick: couldn't we go back i think if we were to make that clear today if we were to proceed that we set

[2:11:52] Trustee Patrick: set our expectation. We have,

[2:11:54] Trustee Patrick: you know, we say we're not, we're only, we're expecting less than

[2:11:59] Trustee Patrick: 10% uptake. That's our expectation. And that we set a monitoring period and request a report back

[2:12:12] Trustee Patrick: from staff on, well, what happened? Like two years, we're still in term. We're not fettering

[2:12:18] Trustee Patrick: future trustees decisions it's within our term um and that we make it clear we signal that we are

[2:12:26] Trustee Patrick: going to monitor and if something happens uh that we weren't expecting we can correct for it and

[2:12:33] Trustee Patrick: we're going into our ocp review process that we're going into the next thing that we'll be diving

[2:12:38] Trustee Patrick: into deeper into these issues we may find other other things we want to add you know to refine

[2:12:43] Trustee Patrick: find anyway as we go through the next couple of years um so i think we have to be you know

[2:12:52] Trustee Patrick: make sure we're very clear and i think the um on how we communicate um what what we think is

[2:13:04] Trustee Patrick: going to happen i'm leaning toward um kind of a a merging of option one and two just because

[2:13:12] Trustee Patrick: thank you for providing the options and i think we can kind of bring bring the bring the two

[2:13:17] Trustee Patrick: together i would propose that we revise probably the option one or unless there's an easier way

[2:13:26] Trustee Patrick: but um i think we should for now remove uh rw one and two as being allowed to have those zones

[2:13:37] Trustee Patrick: I think that as we go into the OCP conversation,

[2:13:41] Trustee Patrick: I'm really interested in finding a different way

[2:13:43] Trustee Patrick: in which we measure density.

[2:13:48] Trustee Patrick: Kitchens just don't work anymore.

[2:13:50] Trustee Patrick: They may work 20, 30 years ago,

[2:13:52] Trustee Patrick: a house is a house because it has a kitchen.

[2:13:56] Trustee Patrick: To me, it's kind of unit of impact.

[2:13:59] Trustee Patrick: What is the equivalent of a house and what is that impact

[2:14:03] Trustee Patrick: and how do we keep our footprint small?

[2:14:05] Trustee Patrick: And I'm looking forward to having those conversations

[2:14:08] Trustee Patrick: as we get into the next phase of our housing conversation

[2:14:11] Trustee Patrick: is how do we do that?

[2:14:13] Trustee Patrick: How do we measure that on this island?

[2:14:14] Trustee Patrick: Because it's just, kitchens aren't working.

[2:14:17] Trustee Patrick: You know, if we only have two people living on a property

[2:14:19] Trustee Patrick: and they have one additional suite,

[2:14:21] Trustee Patrick: we might have four people living on a property.

[2:14:24] Trustee Patrick: What is the unit impact on that property?

[2:14:27] Trustee Patrick: And if they're moderately sized buildings and things.

[2:14:31] Trustee Patrick: So I'm looking forward to coming up with something

[2:14:34] Trustee Patrick: that works better for us,

[2:14:35] Trustee Patrick: works better for our partners at North Salt Spring

[2:14:37] Trustee Patrick: bring in other areas that we're talking apples and apples of of what we're concerned about and

[2:14:44] Trustee Patrick: i believe we're really concerned about impact and how we keep it small as possible um i'd be

[2:14:52] Trustee Patrick: okay with bringing some of the uh other uh from option two there's um you know the shared driveway

[2:15:01] Trustee Patrick: way. And some of the setbacks I think could be combined into option one. And, and moving

[2:15:08] Trustee Patrick: forward. And if we were to move forward today, I'd also like to move forward in a measured

[2:15:20] Trustee Patrick: way, my understanding would be if we were to give it second reading that kicks off the

[2:15:24] Trustee Patrick: referral process, which is going to be approximately 60 days. And then during that

[2:15:29] Trustee Patrick: that time, I'd like to, I'd like, I think we need better public communication materials,

[2:15:35] Trustee Patrick: the materials that are here are just just not there yet. We need to have good material that

[2:15:40] Trustee Patrick: outlines what we heard this morning. There's a need. I think I think the data is there that the

[2:15:46] Trustee Patrick: community is on our side understands the need part, but we should make sure we're talking about

[2:15:51] Trustee Patrick: about that and we need to respond.

[2:15:58] Trustee Patrick: And I think that's us looking at this table,

[2:16:00] Trustee Patrick: not the staff table.

[2:16:01] Trustee Patrick: We need to respond to the themes that showed up

[2:16:04] Trustee Patrick: from the public hearing before so that we have our answers

[2:16:08] Trustee Patrick: to what those are both positive and concerns.

[2:16:15] Trustee Patrick: And so I'd like to sort of see more work done

[2:16:19] Trustee Patrick: on the communications.

[2:16:19] Trustee Patrick: And then once the communications are in a strong way, then I'd like to see the plans

[2:16:26] Trustee Patrick: for how we're going to do the public interface, the open houses, how we're going to design

[2:16:32] Trustee Patrick: that to be useful, successful, and accessible to everybody.

[2:16:38] Trustee Patrick: Then when the public hearings, when the public open houses have been completed, then determine

[2:16:46] Trustee Patrick: and set a time period for a public hearing.

[2:16:49] Trustee Patrick: So I don't want to get the train just going off in that direction.

[2:16:53] Trustee Patrick: I want to throw some stops in there so that we can make sure we're all on board, we're

[2:17:01] Trustee Patrick: satisfied with the material that's out there, we're responding to the public, getting good

[2:17:07] Trustee Patrick: quality information out there so that we get to a public hearing, we're at the public hearing,

[2:17:13] Trustee Patrick: we're going to make a decision after that public hearing.

[2:17:17] Trustee Patrick: That's my objective.

[2:17:18] Trustee Patrick: So I'll stop talking for now and then okay.

[2:17:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): Thank you, Trustee Harris to do whatever. Yes, I have a question and comments. So I guess I would ask, Chris, please, planner

[2:17:36] Voice 4: Hutton. So just on the background

[2:17:40] Voice 6: end of this says, regular LTC meeting on September 6 2022 staff submitted a post public hearing report and recommended that proposed by law 530 not be read a third

[2:17:52] Voice 6: third time. So it's been read twice. Is that what

[2:17:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'm assuming when I read that? It's already had

[2:18:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): second reading? It's already, the current bylaw has had third reading. The proposed bylaw 530

[2:18:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): as it is today was the public hearing received. It already received third reading.

[2:18:13] Voice 6: So that's the,

[2:18:14] Voice 6: and that's as it, that's the original bylaw 530. No revisions.

[2:18:23] Voice 12: you have third reading no sorry chair no no it's

[2:18:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): on a second reading but no third

[2:18:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): right

[2:18:30] Voice 12: correct so

[2:18:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): second reading and then public hearing

[2:18:33] Voice 15: anything we do today regardless we'll

[2:18:35] Voice 15: have to go back to second why

[2:18:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): would we so if it was already read a second time why do we have to

[2:18:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): read it again if

[2:18:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): we're yeah go ahead because

[2:18:45] Voice 15: we receive additional information that's a legal

[2:18:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): so can

[2:18:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): we not have the second and third reading today isn't that something that's gonna be done

[2:18:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): the challenge is that you can't hold a public hearing after third reading so you can have the

[2:19:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): public hearing and third reading on the same day in the future so you'd get the same thing

[2:19:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): so okay so i think i'm picking up what you're laying down so we could have the second reading

[2:19:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): today and and

[2:19:19] Voice 6: then we would then go on to a public hearing process which would

[2:19:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): be there'd

[2:19:28] Trustee Patrick: be a public meeting process

[2:19:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): the recommendation because we've had we

[2:19:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): we have to go back and do the public hearing again we recommend that we

[2:19:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): rerun and because of the fact that part of the reason why we've come back is due to community

[2:19:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh and referral partner responses that we should rerun that engagement with whatever change we

[2:19:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): intend to make in the work that we've done okay thank you um respectfully uh yes we have heard

[2:20:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): from the community and we've got a survey which clearly states um people are in favor so i would

[2:20:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): you know i'd love to suggest and be happy to make a motion that we have second reading today is that

[2:20:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): what that we have second reading today and then

[2:20:21] Voice 4: um would i have to add into that motion

[2:20:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): when we would have the third reading or is it that wouldn't be necessary but but i believe that uh

[2:20:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): that we need to select an option or a combination of options i've certainly heard from

[2:20:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh trustee patrick that she's uh interested in merging some of the items from option one and two

[2:20:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): and so okay so essentially creation of a of an additional option um i'm i'm very eager to go

[2:20:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): ahead with option one yeah

[2:21:01] Trustee Patrick: i want to i would like to propose a couple amendments okay to option one

[2:21:05] Voice 5: certainly um so why don't we just procedurally why don't we start with uh trying to figure out uh

[2:21:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): an amended option that we're okay that we're going to work with through the chair yes sir

[2:21:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): so if we have an amended um option that means we have to still go through a first second and third

[2:21:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): no we just do second reading as amended okay yeah

[2:21:30] Voice 5: um so uh trustee patrick i think what would be

[2:21:36] Voice 5: helpful um

[2:21:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): is if you can lay out what your uh vision of the merged option one and two

[2:21:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh would be yes mr chair the best course of action from what i'm hearing maybe that mr harris moves

[2:21:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh option one and from there uh we work on we work with option one as the base from which

[2:22:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh and

[2:22:04] Voice 1: then do the amendment at that stage

[2:22:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): if you make proposed amendments

[2:22:11] Trustee Patrick: you're going

[2:22:11] Trustee Patrick: to give her some challenges okay i thought it would be easier to amend it first

[2:22:17] Trustee Patrick: go through what works for you but i

[2:22:21] Voice 15: usually it would be i amend it first and then i read it

[2:22:26] Voice 15: the second time it has amended what

[2:22:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): i would i would suggest is that if you were to move

[2:22:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): move option and that the amendment then be made amendment speech option one series of amendments

[2:22:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): proposed by law at this point the other ones are draft bylaws prior to reading them

[2:22:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): absolutely a little concurrence

[2:22:54] Voice 5: over here okay so what i'm hearing is uh is to uh procedurally

[2:22:58] Voice 5: that we can uh move uh option one and then amend it and then when we're we've concluded amendments

[2:23:08] Voice 5: okay then

[2:23:09] Voice 5: uh so is that that's

[2:23:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): our advice from staff um are we happy to proceed in that manner

[2:23:17] Trustee Patrick: um i just want

[2:23:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): to i just want to

[2:23:19] Trustee Patrick: clear what does that most um if

[2:23:23] Voice 6: it just gets moving yeah no i'm

[2:23:25] Trustee Patrick: just i yeah i'm just looking for clarity to help you and make that initiate the motions um yeah do

[2:23:31] Voice 6: i say you

[2:23:32] Voice 6: know something that we well

[2:23:37] Voice 5: there's a there's the recommendation on the on page 149

[2:23:42] Voice 5: there um no

[2:23:47] Trustee Patrick: it's not going to work no

[2:23:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): i see okay um

[2:23:50] Trustee Patrick: there

[2:23:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): hasn't there isn't there isn't an option

[2:23:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): where there isn't a motion here there isn't a that's prepared yes to option one so um move that

[2:24:05] Voice 5: that's that the ltc uh gives second reading to i

[2:24:12] Trustee Patrick: why don't we just say

[2:24:13] Voice 5: option

[2:24:14] Trustee Patrick: one and can we not do that mr

[2:24:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): chair um attachment four uh on page 170.

[2:24:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): read what has been read a second time on 170. well

[2:24:36] Trustee Patrick: then is it all turned on page one are we

[2:24:39] Trustee Patrick: recently we have to rescind second reading first then the

[2:24:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): no no we can sorry why why can't we just

[2:24:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): go ahead and then we go

[2:24:50] Voice 6: i'm just uh i

[2:24:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): think you know that there's different thoughts there's

[2:24:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): different schools of thought on it from the website contact the chairman um the uh the most

[2:25:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): prudent action would be to rescind second reading and proceed to read it again a second time

[2:25:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): um you could say reset um but it just doesn't seem to be clear to me that that's acceptable

[2:25:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): research and it's probably the best approach so and i'll call the prettier experience mr

[2:25:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): chair you have more experience receiving the night um okay so just so i've got this completely

[2:25:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): completely straight it's it's been read a second time uh but we're proposing to amend it right by

[2:25:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): choosing one of these options we're amending what has been read a second time in the past

[2:25:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): correct first step second step I would suggest moving a motion but not adopting it such as option

[2:25:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): one okay third step and then

[2:25:51] Voice 9: i meant that

[2:25:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): go through and and say now i propose to amend item

[2:25:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): one because i don't like the name okay and now you've mentioned uh page 170 but i i think my

[2:26:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): number exists

[2:26:02] Voice 4: different than yours finding

[2:26:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): but the option is attachment four so it'll be just after

[2:26:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): of this uh list of the public comments yeah let's see if i can navigate there

[2:26:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): yeah that's oh it's a challenge when the number uncomfortable

[2:26:31] Voice 6: uh pardon me i i'm not sure why your version isn't the same as ours yeah

[2:26:39] Voice 6: Yeah, because I don't see it on 70 or something so. Yeah, I just have a, I

[2:26:49] Voice 12: have it on 153 153

[2:26:53] Voice 6: okay maybe that'll help.

[2:27:03] Voice 6: alternatives is that what we're looking at

[2:27:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): the alternatives yeah so uh procedurally what i'm

[2:27:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): hearing from staff is best practices we want to rescind uh second reading uh

[2:27:16] Voice 17: as per option or

[2:27:18] Voice 17: number one under the alternative section there we rescind uh by 5 30 and

[2:27:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): then we read

[2:27:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): a second time as amended under option one and then uh before we pass that we

[2:27:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): amend the option and then when we're happy with that we pass it is that is that clear

[2:27:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): it's

[2:27:43] Voice 6: not clear to me

[2:27:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): at all i don't understand why we're sending the second reading uh clear

[2:27:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): i made it clear at the last meeting we want to get to 5 30 as it sits moving forward and

[2:27:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): I don't see any option there that's clear.

[2:28:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): Maybe I'm missing something and I don't see how

[2:28:04] Voice 9: the

[2:28:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): sending the second reading helps move that forward.

[2:28:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'd see that as-

[2:28:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): It's just procedural, but go ahead.

[2:28:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): If I may, Mr. Chair, the challenge is that

[2:28:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): the importance of holding a second public hearing

[2:28:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): is legislatively important at this point

[2:28:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): because we've gone past the public hearing

[2:28:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): and received additional information.

[2:28:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): We have to repeat that public hearing.

[2:28:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): However, after third reading,

[2:28:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): We're not able to make any further changes. So to read it a third time, and then hold a public hearing would essentially be saying, come and give us input on something that we've already pretty much locked ourselves into deciding anyway.

[2:28:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): So it would defeat the purpose of a public hearing, which is why we need to get back to the point where we have not read the second time in order to proceed with the application.

[2:28:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): So the the idea that it's definitely what we're going to try to accomplish today is by by rescinding the previous second reading.

[2:28:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): and then uh and then bringing forward a new second reading as amended under option one

[2:29:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): that that's how we'll proceed today in a procedure in a correct manner

[2:29:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): so is that i think i'm understanding it okay so i think then procedurally what we should do is

[2:29:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): i'll look for someone to move that that motion for uh rescinding in the second reading and then

[2:29:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): we'll uh we'll proceed from there have you either we've got that in front of you that would be that

[2:29:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): one yeah okay please proceed i

[2:29:29] Trustee Patrick: move that the salt spring island local trust committee rescinds

[2:29:32] Trustee Patrick: second reading bylaw number 530 cited as salt spring island land use bylaw number 355 1999

[2:29:39] Trustee Patrick: amendment number 1222 so

[2:29:42] Voice 5: moved and seconded uh any further discussion all those in favor

[2:29:49] Voice 5: Okay, so that part's finished part one. Now we want to go to part two.

[2:30:00] Voice 5: so that would be the second one

[2:30:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): that uh local trust committee read by law number 530 but it

[2:30:06] Trustee Patrick: says it hasn't meant so i'm still frustrated with how you move that without amending it

[2:30:11] Trustee Patrick: okay yeah i

[2:30:11] Voice 5: see what you're saying

[2:30:12] Trustee Patrick: that's why i'm uh

[2:30:14] Trustee Patrick: well you know

[2:30:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): what why don't we

[2:30:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): what if we just read it uh not as amended and then we pause before we carry it we amend it

[2:30:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): and then we can reread it as amended simply simply move it we've got the motion

[2:30:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay now now you may amend but okay just just for for information you may not amend an amendment

[2:30:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): until you consider the first amendment so uh don't go down that rabbit hole okay so we're

[2:30:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): just going to go with what's

[2:30:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): written under number two then and proceed with that so i'm clear mr

[2:30:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): yes please

[2:30:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): so what the states is it and if we block out the you know if we end it at um the

[2:30:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): quotes after 2022. so that that's essentially stating that we're going to move forward with

[2:31:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): bylaw 530 as it is written already correct uh staff is that an accurate statement i don't

[2:31:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): think i quite follow that so number two if i if thanks mr chair um number two states that the

[2:31:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): the salt spring island local trust committee read bylaw number 530 cited as salt spring

[2:31:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): island's land use bylaw number

[2:31:32] Voice 6: 355 1999 is their amendment number one 2022 it is a second time

[2:31:42] Voice 6: correct

[2:31:42] Voice 4: then

[2:31:45] Voice 6: that is

[2:31:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): basically moving option number one forward are you are you correlating

[2:31:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): amendment number one 2022 with option one um or we're not yeah that's where i'm confused okay so

[2:32:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): this is um those two things here so amendments are simply numbered by year so we do if we do

[2:32:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): five running bylaw amendments in 2022 they're just numbered as they come in one two three

[2:32:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): they don't each so regardless of which option you choose it'll be called amendment number one

[2:32:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): because it's the first amendment that we started in 2022 so those are the options in the amendment

[2:32:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): a number of different so that is then if i may mr sheriff yes that is then stating we are going

[2:32:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): forward with option number one if that it is to attack the recommendations i think that you have

[2:32:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): to specify yeah so as amended under option one two or three but it

[2:32:46] Trustee Patrick: hasn't been amended yet but it

[2:32:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): hasn't been amended yet which because i'm what i'm getting at is i want to get option one on the

[2:32:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): table and then we can have a debate as to whether it can be amended right correct you're right

[2:32:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): you would just go from bylaw number 530 and not say as amended and just go and just read a second

[2:33:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): time sure yes sir yeah bylaw has received first reading at as it stands you rescinded second

[2:33:15] reading because of public hearing yes so the bylaw

[2:33:18] Voice 8: that was presented at public hearing is still there

[2:33:21] Voice 8: you may now make any amendments you see fit once the amendments are complete

[2:33:27] Voice 7: then you will provide

[2:33:29] Voice 7: second reading and that is what will be taken to the public thank

[2:33:33] Voice 5: you okay so

[2:33:34] Trustee Patrick: then in that case

[2:33:35] Voice 5: then we can do the amendment now okay okay

[2:33:38] Voice 5: let's get on the amendment part um

[2:33:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): trustee patrick you

[2:33:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): had some suggestions for us

[2:33:44] Voice 12: let's

[2:33:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): get them in front of the committee

[2:33:47] Voice 12: and you get to the right

[2:33:47] Voice 12: version in front of me now so that i'm speaking to the right thing okay um all

[2:33:58] Trustee Patrick: right so let's

[2:33:59] Trustee Patrick: raise that right i moved at the salisbury island local trust committee uh amendment

[2:34:10] Voice 12: we

[2:34:10] Trustee Patrick: have to say by law five what's the wording there of salisbury island local trust

[2:34:14] Trustee Patrick: bylaw number 530 by

[2:34:19] Voice 12: detail do you want to say this by uh removing um under

[2:34:34] Trustee Patrick: in section 2.6

[2:34:36] Trustee Patrick: removing rw1 and rw2 okay

[2:34:44] Voice 4: is

[2:34:44] Voice 12: that yes

[2:34:49] Voice 4: okay um i don't like the and adding

[2:35:17] Voice 4: um

[2:35:18] Trustee Patrick: the clause from option 2 3.17 and 13

[2:35:30] Voice 4: Oh,

[2:35:42] Trustee Patrick: sorry. By adding 3.17.12 and 3.17.13.

[2:35:54] Voice 4: Patrick, that was option two.

[2:35:57] Voice 4: From option two. Sorry.

[2:36:02] Voice 16: 3.17.14.

[2:36:05] Voice 16: 12 and 13.

[2:36:07] Voice 4: 12 and 13.

[2:36:15] Voice 16: So I've add. Did you?

[2:36:18] Voice 4: Yeah. Add to option one.

[2:36:20] Voice 4: I

[2:36:38] Voice 15: think I need to specify which section. I think I can just say add and then the language.

[2:36:45] Voice 15: Despite section 4.3 no accessory.

[2:36:48] Voice 12: Add the language. Yeah.

[2:36:50] Voice 4: So

[2:36:59] Voice 15: you've added despite section 4.3 no accessory dwelling unit shall be constructed within 4.5

[2:37:06] Voice 15: meters of any interior side lot line and

[2:37:08] Voice 15: add the driveway access to the accessory dwelling unit.

[2:37:11] Voice 15: Must be sharing access to the principal residence unless access to the accessory

[2:37:15] Voice 15: for utility and it can be provided from a rear plane is that yeah

[2:37:19] Trustee Patrick: the rear lane is sort of an

[2:37:21] Trustee Patrick: interesting one because i don't think we have any lanes on the entire island that i'm aware of were

[2:37:27] Voice 16: those only two yes

[2:37:29] Voice 5: okay okay to remove this the one part any of these two parts was there any

[2:37:37] Voice 5: further uh amendments no

[2:37:40] Voice 12: okay so

[2:37:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's that's fairly straightforward then um

[2:37:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh in regards to your uh comments about monitoring and review and public communications do you want

[2:37:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): to do those as separate

[2:37:57] Trustee Patrick: separate items those are those are processing okay

[2:38:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): so you've got those

[2:38:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's the the totality of of the amendments to option one then yes and

[2:38:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): um could you just

[2:38:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): read those aloud for the benefit of the

[2:38:12] Voice 16: trustees

[2:38:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): and the public here just the content

[2:38:19] Voice 15: we'll try screen oh

[2:38:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): try and screen share okay lovely if

[2:38:37] Voice 4: you can push that button but just

[2:38:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): so your information is not being this this screen is not being um streamed okay

[2:38:48] Voice 6: available this is

[2:38:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): just available

[2:38:50] Voice 5: within the room okay thank you for that uh so give you both a moment to trustee

[2:39:01] Voice 5: patrick when you are ready you can tell us if that is represent accurately representing what

[2:39:07] Voice 5: you were attending yeah

[2:39:12] Trustee Patrick: is it yeah as long as it's i think it's it's clear to staff that um section

[2:39:20] Trustee Patrick: rw yeah i think it's fully clear um so yeah okay

[2:39:26] Voice 5: and so that is uh extent of the amendments then

[2:39:37] Voice 5: Yeah,

[2:39:37] Voice 15: sorry chair. I have a question about the RW1 and RW2. The table right now, ADU is not listed. You were saying removing it from secondary suites.

[2:39:51] Voice 15: Oh,

[2:39:58] Trustee Patrick: it's where they're permitted to be used. It's both accessory dwelling units. It's on page 165, the table I'm looking at.

[2:40:08] Trustee Patrick: so it lists accessory dwelling units secondary suites um i

[2:40:19] Trustee Patrick: don't know what that because that

[2:40:22] Trustee Patrick: has nothing to do with things that there is a so it's it's from accessory dwelling

[2:40:28] Trustee Patrick: units and secondary suites i don't know

[2:40:30] Trustee Patrick: okay so that's yeah so it's that's your it's clear that we're not i'm not changing home-based

[2:40:41] Trustee Patrick: okay so just secondary and and accessory dwelling minutes it's accessory dwelling units and

[2:40:48] Trustee Patrick: secondary suites oh wait you're you're right you show it as only being sorry secondary suites

[2:40:54] Trustee Patrick: correct thank you okay i'm awake now all right so

[2:40:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): that is accurately that may suggest a friendly

[2:41:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): amendment here that it be that section 2.6 remove secondary suites as permitted under rw

[2:41:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): you wanted to yes that's much better wording thank you okay

[2:41:21] Voice 4: um

[2:41:22] Voice 5: that's uh the intent then

[2:41:27] Voice 5: uh trusted patrick yes

[2:41:32] Voice 4: okay

[2:41:33] Voice 5: uh so this week now we did start with uh uh a motion to amend

[2:41:43] Voice 5: with us correct so we're yeah like

[2:41:47] Voice 12: that's what i thought i was saying yes

[2:41:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): i've just i'm just

[2:41:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): demand just want to make sure we're redeeming procedurally correct okay so we've got those

[2:41:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): amendments uh

[2:41:56] Voice 5: and that's moved and i guess uh we should second and then discuss correct

[2:42:03] Voice 5: all right so uh second on the motion to amend oh sorry is

[2:42:09] Voice 15: it important to say a man proposed

[2:42:12] Voice 15: dialogue because we didn't say option one or two sure it's

[2:42:19] Voice 12: not seconded yet keep twiddling all we

[2:42:20] Voice 12: want yeah

[2:42:22] Voice 4: you

[2:42:27] Trustee Patrick: can always put option one in parentheses if you're at all concerned but

[2:42:31] Trustee Patrick: put option

[2:42:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): one in there and just add to clarity

[2:42:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay are we all happy with this can we look for a second or now yes uh did you want to

[2:42:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): second the notion i'll go ahead and second it for the purpose of

[2:42:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): discussion um so discussion thank

[2:43:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): you um if i may chair um i i can't support this as as it's written i do i could support this if

[2:43:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): section 2.6 when secondary suites is permitted under rw rw2 were removed and the other two

[2:43:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): amendments were there um i guess i would just leave it there did you want to give any any more

[2:43:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): information on

[2:43:39] Voice 17: that well we've heard

[2:43:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): sure i would love to we've heard clearly from

[2:43:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): the community surveys have been done we need housing the province is pushing

[2:43:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): this type of action and um i feel we're just uh you know wasting time

[2:43:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): and I don't community needs us it feels good for our community elected to be leaders I'm not afraid

[2:44:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): of this legal threats at this point I think we've had sufficient legal opinions put in front of us

[2:44:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): to make that decision as leaders and I'll leave it there

[2:44:19] Voice 4: thank you for that Mr. Patrick

[2:44:22] Voice 4: Um, I, um, I

[2:44:30] Trustee Patrick: think it's, you know, we've heard a lot. I mean, it was an unorthodox process that

[2:44:34] Trustee Patrick: we went through. The public hearing essentially was more of a community information meeting,

[2:44:38] Trustee Patrick: but that was just due to the oddity of the process last year. Um, I've heard about the

[2:44:43] Trustee Patrick: concerns of the, the, um, RW one and two. Um, I don't, I don't necessarily share the concerns,

[2:44:53] Trustee Patrick: But I can understand what I was trying to get at was if you're already allowed to build a single family house in an RW one or two, that the impact is already there.

[2:45:07] Trustee Patrick: So whether you have a, you know, secondary suite in it or not, to me is pretty, pretty, you know,

[2:45:16] Trustee Patrick: not there but I do hear the concerns that are out there. And I think there's work as we go into this next phase of the housing work that we need to do.

[2:45:24] Trustee Patrick: we need to find a way to be able to explain impact on life in a better way than just a kitchen

[2:45:31] Trustee Patrick: two kitchens and a dwelling shouldn't really make any difference um and and so i'm confident we will

[2:45:40] Trustee Patrick: get there it just will take some time so i think moving that moving it ahead it builds better

[2:45:44] Trustee Patrick: support for bylaw 530 just to it's not going to make a fundamental difference the other two i have

[2:45:52] Trustee Patrick: have gone out and I have read every ADU bylaw in the province

[2:46:01] Trustee Patrick: that I can put my hands on.

[2:46:04] Trustee Patrick: And the shared driveway is a common element

[2:46:07] Trustee Patrick: found in many of the others, and especially in rural areas.

[2:46:10] Trustee Patrick: So this is not adding a restriction that is a surprise.

[2:46:16] Trustee Patrick: It is expected.

[2:46:18] Trustee Patrick: And again, it does get to what some of the concerns

[2:46:20] Trustee Patrick: The concerns were that were raised during the public hearing was the environmental impact and site preparation activities are typically the ones that create the most, most.

[2:46:30] Trustee Patrick: This doesn't eliminate it if somebody has an odd shaped lot, and that the only way they can get to a buildable place on their property.

[2:46:39] Trustee Patrick: They can they can request a variance.

[2:46:43] Trustee Patrick: So this doesn't this doesn't mean no. This generally says don't don't don't put another driveway in really had to you'd come and ask for it.

[2:46:54] Trustee Patrick: So I feel it's, you know, except we're listening, we're doing what we can and we're not out of step with any other rural community that is bringing in accessory violence.

[2:47:04] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Trustee Harris.

[2:47:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): Thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[2:47:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'm in agreement with you on the second and third amendment that you have there.

[2:47:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): It makes complete sense.

[2:47:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): But again, the first amendment, I cannot support that.

[2:47:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): I think we need to take that out of there.

[2:47:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): there are already people who have non-conforming suites, you know,

[2:47:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): on these RW1 and RW2 that have spoken clearly that they want a path to legalization

[2:47:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): and doing that isn't going to have a negative impact on the environment.

[2:47:46] Voice 6: But I agree with the second and third amendment.

[2:47:48] Voice 6: That's clearly going to help do that.

[2:47:50] Voice 6: And I think that will quell a lot of the folks who have, you know,

[2:47:54] Voice 6: been opposed to file 530 and

[2:47:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): um and i think it would quell their concerns sufficiently

[2:47:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): if we had the second and third amendment but remove um

[2:48:04] Voice 6: rw1 or w2 i

[2:48:10] Trustee Patrick: don't disagree with you

[2:48:11] Trustee Patrick: but i think for for now i think we'll get there i i think it's a it's a it's a minor

[2:48:18] Trustee Patrick: inconvenience to some people that are on those properties um

[2:48:22] Voice 12: and we're going to go through this

[2:48:24] Voice 12: process we're going to hear from people so we could change our minds i

[2:48:28] Voice 5: was just going to

[2:48:32] Voice 5: say

[2:48:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): trustee harris that um uh if you're willing to uh to consider uh advancing this as with the

[2:48:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): suggested amendments um just exactly what trustee uh patrick just said is that uh it's it's not a

[2:48:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): a finished deal at this point um and well thank you that we could remove those uh sections at a

[2:49:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): later date um ultimately i'd like us to make yeah uh come to some kind of agreement and whether

[2:49:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's uh so would i you agreeing with this or or or uh or trustee patrick agreeing to

[2:49:19] Voice 5: move ahead with without that provision um remains to be seen but

[2:49:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): i'm just trying to feel out if

[2:49:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): thank you so much

[2:49:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): i really appreciate it i hope that it would could be seen as a compromise if

[2:49:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): we could go with second and third amendment and take the first one out and if it is that big of

[2:49:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): a deal um we could possibly look at putting that in in the future but as it stands now

[2:49:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): i think it would be you know help us expedite the process if we weren't going to take it out later

[2:49:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): um and again i'm more than willing to compromise and um i like your two out of three game back

[2:49:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): right as the song goes so um if we could remove the first amendment i

[2:50:01] Voice 6: mean the second and third

[2:50:02] Voice 6: i think we could i'm

[2:50:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): sure come

[2:50:06] Voice 6: to some pretty big consensus in the community to get to support

[2:50:10] Voice 6: or as such i

[2:50:12] Trustee Patrick: like said i i to me we're splitting hairs and i think we could we could always come

[2:50:16] Trustee Patrick: back in i spent the

[2:50:18] Trustee Patrick: last 36 hours talking to as many people as i could fit into a day

[2:50:23] Trustee Patrick: um and i think this is this will just help us you know move forward uh for a positive outcome i

[2:50:31] Trustee Patrick: think that's what's most important um and we're not done we are not done and this is just a process

[2:50:37] Trustee Patrick: we could still add it into this version of bylaw 530 as it proceeds through the process um and

[2:50:45] Trustee Patrick: And I just don't see this as a, you know, I just think it helps us and puts us on stronger ground for moving forward now.

[2:50:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): I guess I'll just make it very clear. There's no way shape or form I'm going to support or second as it stands now.

[2:51:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): Just for clarity, I did second it so that we could have the discussion on a motion on the floor.

[2:51:12] Voice 5: Okay, so while we seem to have reached a bit of an impasse here,

[2:51:15] Voice 5: um i just uh

[2:51:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): just want to sort of summarize what i what i what i think that i'm hearing um

[2:51:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): and uh in terms of uh the inclusion of the the exclusion i guess of the r w one and two

[2:51:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): that trustee patrick that you're um positing this uh based on uh the approach to the public uh

[2:51:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): consultation process and that it's it's your belief that by removing those

[2:51:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): um that it's going to be more acceptable uh to the public but that we may hear later that it's

[2:51:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): fine to have them there

[2:52:00] Voice 4: that's

[2:52:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): kind of what i'm hearing okay trustee harris yeah that's

[2:52:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): an interesting way of looking at it it could also be looked at the other way and i see this as

[2:52:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): you know it's not creating a level playing field for property owners simply just that it's not and

[2:52:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): if it's

[2:52:20] Voice 6: that big of a deal we can add it in later taking it out now means that we don't have to take

[2:52:27] Voice 6: it out later. Seems seems pretty easy. I view that it

[2:52:38] Trustee Patrick: was specifically brought up and by

[2:52:43] Trustee Patrick: a number of people at the of the public hearing. So I think this is just showing that we're

[2:52:47] Trustee Patrick: responsible for what we

[2:52:48] Voice 12: heard at the public hearing. And as we go towards that, that's

[2:52:55] Voice 12: plan

[2:52:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): trustee a lot of people were also very specific as um they were happy with 5 30 as

[2:53:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): as it is so i think probably more so opposed to our government w

[2:53:09] Voice 6: -2 i think it's a small

[2:53:11] Voice 6: um amount of

[2:53:13] Voice 4: folks that maybe have a super loud voice and

[2:53:18] Voice 9: i

[2:53:20] Voice 4: don't want to just focus on on that

[2:53:24] Voice 4: that voice

[2:53:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): because community

[2:53:26] Voice 7: in my view has spoken loud and clear so I'm here to represent them

[2:53:33] Voice 5: okay

[2:53:35] Voice 5: fair enough so um I'm not hearing uh movement and I'm not hearing uh uh uh much new here so I think

[2:53:46] Voice 5: at this point uh

[2:53:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh it's going to be one of those situations where uh I'll be calling the question

[2:53:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): and I'm forced to decide out the question,

[2:54:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): which wasn't my favorite thing.

[2:54:08] Voice 5: My sort of suspicion is that,

[2:54:17] Voice 5: you know, it is a bit of a chicken and egg,

[2:54:19] Voice 5: whether

[2:54:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): we remove it later or add it back in later,

[2:54:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): sort of summarizing the two positions here.

[2:54:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh i'm inclined to think um that we're going to hear about this from the public one way or the

[2:54:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): other um and so i'm just trying i'm just trying to make up my mind whether uh whether i think it's

[2:54:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): better to hear from the public that the exclusion come could come back in later or or that or that

[2:55:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): it should be removed later please go ahead so it's in my view it's very likely that we're

[2:55:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): going to have a positive feedback from the community and so why would we want to have

[2:55:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): it in there now and to take it out later we can have it out we're gonna have the other two

[2:55:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): amendments in there i'm certain we're gonna have um you know a larger amount of the community come

[2:55:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): back with support of the bylaw in that fashion you know written in that fashion and so why would

[2:55:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): we want to create extra work at that time and semantics in my

[2:55:38] Voice 6: view we can expedite the process

[2:55:41] Voice 6: that's what we want to do um so if that helps and trusty patrick i

[2:55:50] Trustee Patrick: i appreciate that like you said

[2:55:53] Trustee Patrick: i i sat through the process last year we listened to the process and that's part of our job is to

[2:55:59] Trustee Patrick: also listen so i'm anticipating this and this shows that we listened and i think that's important

[2:56:05] Trustee Patrick: and um that's why i'd

[2:56:09] Voice 4: like to make this yeah

[2:56:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): i would argue it's showing that we haven't listened

[2:56:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): and um pretty clear the community is very much in support of the file on 530 as it is

[2:56:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): which are loud and clear from the housing task force as is they're um and then all the people

[2:56:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): that are involved with them they have a

[2:56:34] Voice 6: vast amount

[2:56:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): of support or as is and so i would argue

[2:56:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): that we this is not listening to the community in my view it's listening to a few loud voices

[2:56:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): that um that don't speak for the community at large yeah well um i i hear what you're saying and

[2:56:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): of course uh i would just argue that it's important to listen to all the voices the

[2:57:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): loud ones and then the quiet ones but that's just sort of an aside um yeah

[2:57:09] Voice 5: so i guess um

[2:57:11] Voice 4: i

[2:57:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): guess i'm going to call the question and uh and if this motion fails what i'd like to see

[2:57:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): is another motion um uh that rep represents the the space where you guys do agree which is the

[2:57:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): this the second and third bit there i guess um so i'm going to go ahead and call the question

[2:57:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): all those in favor of the motion as it is on the screen at this motion okay so um that's one in

[2:57:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): favor and opposed i'm going to go ahead and oppose that as well um so the motion fails and

[2:58:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): um i would entertain in the interest of moving forward today the same motion

[2:58:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): with the exclusion of that section i wouldn't be happy to make that motion on this from trustee

[2:58:19] Voice 4: Patrick would you

[2:58:20] Voice 16: like

[2:58:28] Voice 4: me to share this salt

[2:58:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): spring island local trust committee

[2:58:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): amend proposed bylaw number 530 cited

[2:58:38] Voice 6: as salt spring islands land use bylaw number 355 1999

[2:58:43] Voice 6: amendment number 1 2022

[2:58:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): as follows add despite section 4.3 no accessory dwelling unit shall be

[2:58:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): constructed within 4.5 meters of any interior side lot line and the driveway access to the

[2:59:00] Voice 6: accessory dwelling unit must be shared with access to the principal residence

[2:59:07] Voice 6: unless access to the accessory dwelling unit can be provided from a rear lane

[2:59:15] Voice 6: I would

[2:59:16] Voice 12: like

[2:59:17] Voice 6: to add that any exist I don't know how this is going to be difficult so don't pretend

[2:59:24] Voice 6: anything yet maybe I can get some help with this that any existing accessory dwelling units that

[2:59:34] Voice 6: are within the 4

[2:59:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): .5 meters that are found within 4.5 meters of any interior side lot line would

[2:59:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): be excluded so basically anything that's already there will be excluded from that

[2:59:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): if that makes sense to you uh do you want to come on that it might be best to

[3:00:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): hold off on that second resolution uh and make that one separately okay okay okay thank you for

[3:00:08] Voice 5: the advice okay so that is moved and seconded uh any further discussion on that not seeing any I'll

[3:00:17] Voice 5: call the question all those in favor okay that carries and do you want to address that

[3:00:24] Voice 5: other bit

[3:00:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'm not sure how that needs to be worded I would love to have some help on that

[3:00:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): you understand where i'm going with that

[3:00:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): i

[3:00:33] Trustee Patrick: i one of the questions in preparation for this was i

[3:00:37] Trustee Patrick: asked specifically because um uh any any existing legally and lawful built secondary speech or

[3:00:46] Trustee Patrick: seasonal cottage is lawful if this bylaw passes because it's got occupancy permit

[3:00:53] Trustee Patrick: so if it was built if it was built in less than 4.5 meters zone it's a it's a legal structure

[3:01:02] Trustee Patrick: because it had a permit and occupancy for where it was located this would only be applicable to

[3:01:07] Trustee Patrick: anything new that was being you know um okay

[3:01:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): construct and i understand so but again there's

[3:01:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): there's still some existing non-conforming units out there that we

[3:01:20] Voice 6: don't want to have

[3:01:22] Voice 6: um you know affected by that um

[3:01:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): setback distance uh i

[3:01:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): think we could get some advice from staff

[3:01:32] Trustee Patrick: okay okay yeah

[3:01:33] Trustee Patrick: they would they would because then they would they would get sympathy from us by

[3:01:36] Trustee Patrick: coming and saying you know we've already built the garage yes

[3:01:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): three and a half years from here

[3:01:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): so if that that sounds great it sounds like common sense and

[3:01:43] Trustee Patrick: if that's a

[3:01:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): given then i won't need to

[3:01:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): make a motion those

[3:01:46] Trustee Patrick: are that's that's how

[3:01:47] Trustee Patrick: the variance program you know it's hardship it's

[3:01:49] Trustee Patrick: It's already there.

[3:01:50] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:01:51] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:01:51] Trustee Patrick: We'd be mean if we said, I'm sorry, move it.

[3:01:54] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:01:54] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[3:01:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): I just wanted to clarify that,

[3:01:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): but thank you for helping me decide.

[3:01:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): Thank you, trustees.

[3:01:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): So I believe there was interest in a statement

[3:02:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): on monitoring and review.

[3:02:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay. Yeah.

[3:02:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): Some public communications material and timing.

[3:02:10] Trustee Patrick: So how, I'll look to staff,

[3:02:14] Trustee Patrick: I'll look to staff for advice on how to do that.

[3:02:19] Trustee Patrick: So I think it is important that we set a resolution, making it clear that we expected the uptake to be less than 10% as based on the research here.

[3:02:33] Trustee Patrick: And that we determined, we set a period.

[3:02:38] Trustee Patrick: Oops, they're working away on it.

[3:02:41] Trustee Patrick: we got some ideas on language or on um that we said ask staff to uh monitor and report back in

[3:02:51] Trustee Patrick: two years from if adopted or been adopted i

[3:02:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): apologize chair yes i think mr sugar was

[3:02:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): concerned that there hadn't been a final vote oh the last amendment yeah

[3:03:04] Voice 15: yeah uh you've amended it

[3:03:07] Voice 9: oh oh i haven't gone

[3:03:09] Voice 5: we haven't gone and done it as a minute

[3:03:11] Voice 5: absolutely correct so that's under

[3:03:14] Voice 5: oh here which page in the right 153

[3:03:17] Voice 4: on the screen as well okay

[3:03:20] Voice 5: excellent so um

[3:03:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh just what would you want to be like to make that um motion then we need to read it again uh

[3:03:31] Trustee Patrick: yeah no so it's i would move that sells me on a local trust committee read bylaw number five

[3:03:37] Trustee Patrick: by proposed bylaw, proposed bylaw 530,

[3:03:41] Trustee Patrick: cited as Salt Spring Islands Land Use Bylaw

[3:03:44] Trustee Patrick: number 355, 1999, amendment number 1, 2022,

[3:03:50] Trustee Patrick: as amended a second time.

[3:03:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): And so moved and seconded.

[3:03:56] Voice 5: Any further discussion?

[3:03:58] Voice 5: Call the question, all in favor?

[3:04:00] Trustee Patrick: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry.

[3:04:03] Trustee Patrick: I do have discussion.

[3:04:05] Voice 5: Yes.

[3:04:05] Voice 5: positive

[3:04:06] Trustee Patrick: discussion but i think important discussion i did want to make sure because

[3:04:10] Trustee Patrick: i think it's important that we discuss um discuss this as our reasoning um for moving this forward

[3:04:18] Trustee Patrick: my reasoning hasn't changed from february 19 20 21

[3:04:21] Voice 12: that's

[3:04:22] Trustee Patrick: a long time ago um that um i think it's

[3:04:27] Trustee Patrick: really important i know there's a lot of conversations in uh rocp about the theoretical

[3:04:32] Trustee Patrick: theoretical population that's indicated in there as a note and I think extreme caution needs to be

[3:04:39] Trustee Patrick: taken when looking at that note because it is not based on any research any any analysis or any

[3:04:46] Trustee Patrick: it's a it's a very much a make-believe number that is questionable. There's also

[3:04:54] Trustee Patrick: um you know absolute need that we have in this community and um and it's also

[3:05:02] Trustee Patrick: we've heard from

[3:05:03] Trustee Patrick: the the premier that they're intending to to have us legalize or consider where we should have our

[3:05:11] Trustee Patrick: secondary suites but important to that is the announcement of a potential uh forgivable loan

[3:05:16] Trustee Patrick: of up to forty thousand dollars to to make this happen i think when when the province um gets to

[3:05:24] Trustee Patrick: this legislation which is expected in the fall there will be a limit to that lovely offer that

[3:05:31] Trustee Patrick: they made and if we don't have a legal option for having secondary suites or accessory dwelling

[3:05:39] Trustee Patrick: units on this island none of our residents would be able to apply for that money and that may make

[3:05:45] Trustee Patrick: a big difference. I know it will make a big difference to someone who, especially basement

[3:05:50] Trustee Patrick: suites that's starting to get within the affordable way of getting to them. I know that the other

[3:05:59] Trustee Patrick: OCP clause that people are concerned about is the one that said zoning changes should

[3:06:07] Trustee Patrick: be avoided if they would likely result in a larger population than what is expected

[3:06:11] Trustee Patrick: under the potential of the 2008 policy.

[3:06:16] Trustee Patrick: And it says, exceptions to this policy

[3:06:20] Trustee Patrick: are going to be few and minor

[3:06:22] Trustee Patrick: only to achieve affordable housing

[3:06:24] Trustee Patrick: and other objectives in this plan.

[3:06:27] Trustee Patrick: Well, we have other objectives in this plan

[3:06:31] Trustee Patrick: that make it very, very clear.

[3:06:33] Trustee Patrick: It says that we're supposed to ensure

[3:06:34] Trustee Patrick: that the community continues to function

[3:06:36] Trustee Patrick: as an authentic resident centered community

[3:06:38] Trustee Patrick: in the face of external pressures

[3:06:40] Trustee Patrick: to change and grow to ensure that growth including the growth of tourism is managed in a way that does

[3:06:46] Trustee Patrick: not displace or detract from our community our community's important function as a home for its

[3:06:51] Trustee Patrick: residents and to recognize the strength and exceptional value of our community's diverse

[3:06:56] Trustee Patrick: human population population characterized by people of many ages backgrounds who through

[3:07:01] Trustee Patrick: choice or circumstances a rich variety of lifestyles and livelihoods to recognize the

[3:07:06] Trustee Patrick: a very real if tangible loss that is felt in the community when the diversity is diminished by

[3:07:11] Trustee Patrick: external pressure changes we are experiencing external pressure changes i looked at the real

[3:07:17] Trustee Patrick: estate sales from last year 203 million dollars for 179 houses that sold it so that's a lot of

[3:07:26] Trustee Patrick: pressure changes and i was reading the real estate guide that comes out in the local newspaper

[3:07:32] Trustee Patrick: favor. Most houses that are for sale now are in the 2 million

[3:07:36] Trustee Patrick: North category. There was one for 790,000. It said bring your

[3:07:40] Trustee Patrick: ideas and oh, the tenant would stay if you'd like them to well,

[3:07:44] Voice 1: you

[3:07:44] Trustee Patrick: know what the outcome of that sale is going to be bye bye

[3:07:47] Trustee Patrick: tenant. Our rental market on this island is near zero. And

[3:07:53] Trustee Patrick: you're losing people left, right and center. Every spending last

[3:07:58] Trustee Patrick: Last night I was talking to some employers and they are desperate.

[3:08:02] Trustee Patrick: Every employer on this island is desperate.

[3:08:05] Trustee Patrick: So this bylaw by no means is going to produce a lot of houses.

[3:08:12] Trustee Patrick: But for those who can, really it's those who already are providing rental units in their secondary suites

[3:08:20] Trustee Patrick: or in their basements and garages, this gives them a path to making it legal

[3:08:27] Trustee Patrick: improving the livelihood of the people who are living there and giving them some assurances

[3:08:33] Trustee Patrick: sure a seasonal cottage is quite nice today it has occupancy as a seasonal cottage but it's illegal

[3:08:41] Trustee Patrick: so it just removes one more barrier that's making it there and i intend to pass a motion in a moment

[3:08:48] Trustee Patrick: saying that we all set this monitoring time period and we're signaling very loud to the

[3:08:54] Trustee Patrick: public. If something happens that we don't expect, we should

[3:08:58] Trustee Patrick: fix it. But I think with all the research, everything that's out

[3:09:04] Trustee Patrick: there, I'm not expecting to see runaway use of this allowance.

[3:09:11] Trustee Patrick: So I'm voting in favor of this.

[3:09:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): Just thank you, Trustee Patrick for that very insightful

[3:09:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): comment and comments regarding that.

[3:09:28] Voice 5: thanks okay so any further discussion and that case i will call the question all in favor

[3:09:35] Voice 5: and that motion is carried and trusty patrick oh

[3:09:40] Trustee Patrick: oh okay further motions do

[3:09:43] Trustee Patrick: we need to do

[3:09:44] Trustee Patrick: those other ones um keep going on the checklist and um

[3:09:50] Voice 5: you know you wanted to do the one on

[3:09:55] Voice 5: monitoring and review well

[3:09:57] Trustee Patrick: no there's item three um first on the trust policy statement on page 153

[3:10:02] Trustee Patrick: oh

[3:10:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay these ones here okay gotcha all right

[3:10:05] Trustee Patrick: let's do that and then then we get into process

[3:10:07] Trustee Patrick: which number four it starts to change yeah

[3:10:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): okay okay let's go ahead with that third one

[3:10:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): i

[3:10:13] Trustee Patrick: move that the salisbury island local trust committee has reviewed the island's trust policy

[3:10:17] Trustee Patrick: statement checklist attached to the april 13th 2023 report to determine that bylaw

[3:10:23] Trustee Patrick: proposed bylaw number 530 do we have to say as amended or just as amended cited as salt

[3:10:31] Trustee Patrick: spring island land use bylaw number 355 1999 amendment number one 2022 is not contrary to

[3:10:38] Trustee Patrick: or at variance with down stress policies so

[3:10:41] Voice 5: moved seconded any further discussion

[3:10:46] Voice 5: i'll call the question all those in favor and motion is carried

[3:10:54] Trustee Patrick: Now for process,

[3:10:56] Trustee Patrick: I can do the monitoring one anytime there,

[3:10:59] Trustee Patrick: but I do the monitoring one next, I guess.

[3:11:03] Trustee Patrick: Sure.

[3:11:03] Trustee Patrick: Then we can talk about process.

[3:11:05] Trustee Patrick: Sounds

[3:11:06] Voice 5: good to me.

[3:11:08] Trustee Patrick: I'd look for advice from staff on how to work this motion so

[3:11:13] Trustee Patrick: that resolution would like to acknowledge

[3:11:19] Trustee Patrick: our expected target is less than 10 percent uptake.

[3:11:23] Trustee Patrick: and that we set a, we request staff to monitor when adopted, or how do we say that, or just

[3:11:32] Trustee Patrick: monitor and report in two years once adopted. I mean, because the period should start when it's

[3:11:44] Trustee Patrick: I

[3:11:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): would possibly suggest that request that staff report on the number of AGUs constructed

[3:11:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): from the date of bylaw property adoption to two years from that date.

[3:12:05] Trustee Patrick: I still think it's important that we set our expectation as less than 10%.

[3:12:16] Trustee Patrick: uptake of 10 of available lots basically it's whatever's whatever's allowed that

[3:12:25] Trustee Patrick: that expecting it to be less than 10 the resolution

[3:12:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): so could

[3:12:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): indicate that simply

[3:12:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): um just where it's the expectation it is the anticipation of local trust committee that

[3:12:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): uptake, the permission of accessory dwelling units would result in an uptake of less than

[3:12:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): 10% of the total lots in the area that staff report back on the number of ADUs constructed

[3:13:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): following two years after the adoption date of byline amendment 530.

[3:13:08] Trustee Patrick: That sounds good.

[3:13:09] Trustee Patrick: How did Sarah do?

[3:13:47] Voice 4: That

[3:13:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): should be added to the

[3:13:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): fuel, probably, the follow up action list.

[3:13:57] Voice 5: Would you like us to

[3:13:58] Voice 5: stipulate that or?

[3:14:08] Voice 4: okay

[3:14:28] Voice 5: we're happy there uh trustee patrick

[3:14:32] Voice 5: i

[3:14:33] Voice 15: think i should add uh resulting adoption of

[3:14:40] Voice 16: file 530

[3:14:41] Voice 4: yeah yeah we'll put the whole name in

[3:14:45] Voice 4: is that where you want

[3:14:51] Voice 4: to go i think so would

[3:14:54] Voice 5: you care to read that out as a motion oh sure

[3:14:56] Trustee Patrick: Sure. I move that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee acknowledge it is the anticipation of the LTC that the initial, I think it's just the uptake, I don't think we need an initial, because it certainly won't be 10%.

[3:15:15] Trustee Patrick: But I expect the staff would report is that there's a trend, you know, there's a 10% is like the full use. So it's that the uptake of available lots resulting from adoption by law 530 would be less than 10% and direct staff to monitor and report back to the LTC two years following the adoption of bylaw 530, and that this direction would be added to the follow up action list.

[3:15:46] Voice 5: for the

[3:15:46] Voice 5: motion so moved and seconded any further discussion okay i'll call the question all in

[3:15:55] Voice 5: favor and that is carried and was there a process

[3:16:01] Voice 5: one on the process so

[3:16:03] Trustee Patrick: there's a few things on the

[3:16:05] Trustee Patrick: process so one is i take this is to this is to refer the bible so one is we have to refer the

[3:16:12] Trustee Patrick: bylaw out is that correct that was that saying the

[3:16:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): engagement process essentially got to

[3:16:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): re-refer bylaw uh and then proceed to book um yeah what

[3:16:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): i'd like to

[3:16:28] Trustee Patrick: do is break this up

[3:16:30] Trustee Patrick: um i'm i the communications materials need need

[3:16:35] Trustee Patrick: to be improved in my mind that we're still not

[3:16:39] Trustee Patrick: not communicating by law 530 as we should like I said there's focus on why we're doing this

[3:16:46] Trustee Patrick: lots of research out there that needs to be shown and I think to be um you know there's

[3:16:55] Trustee Patrick: so many good examples out there Quesnel is another good example that has such good materials that

[3:17:00] Trustee Patrick: really show what this is looking like as well as talk about what we're seeing your outcome on just

[3:17:08] Trustee Patrick: the other islands um what's being built there's lots of information so i'd like to one i'm fine

[3:17:14] Trustee Patrick: with saying let's get this referred although i think the referral needs a cover sheet

[3:17:20] Trustee Patrick: that expresses our our expectations here um there's a there's a data sharing piece i think

[3:17:27] Trustee Patrick: especially for sending this to the first nations this looks like we're just ignoring it but we're

[3:17:33] Trustee Patrick: We're not expecting the outcome to be what it is, and it's not us making this up.

[3:17:39] Trustee Patrick: This is based on recent research from all other communities doing this, and we have relevant information from our own islands that are in the Islands Trust.

[3:17:50] Trustee Patrick: We should be sharing that information with First Nations, not just sending them this bylaw without sharing that information.

[3:17:57] Trustee Patrick: information. So I don't do it we need to direct to that, but there should be a covering letter on this regarding our expectations.

[3:18:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): Seems that if you know there's there's a number of resources that I heard throughout the afternoon here.

[3:18:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): In terms of key information.

[3:18:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): If there's there's specific information from those sources that you feel should be conveyed in the public material or and I think that this should ideally be replicated to in a referral cover letter.

[3:18:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): The facts of our of the specific proposal are also important.

[3:18:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): We're getting some clarity around that.

[3:18:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): So if there's any further specific direction on how this public information can be conveyed.

[3:18:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): We certainly welcome that.

[3:18:54] Trustee Patrick: I think the referral I mean what the motion we just passed about setting the monitoring period and our expectations is a minimum of what should be in the referrals that that we should share with referral agencies, because that sets our expectations.

[3:19:11] Trustee Patrick: Mr.

[3:19:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): Chair, is the term expectations to expect that First Nations will read these materials

[3:19:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): or like these third party materials, or is it simply to state that these are available

[3:19:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): resources and to source the information that we're providing so that they can treat that

[3:19:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): or not?

[3:19:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): I

[3:19:33] Trustee Patrick: don't have experience in doing referrals, but I do.

[3:19:40] Voice 15: to trustee patrick in our vote for it is a box for comment and we usually give them the

[3:19:48] Voice 15: highlight and explain why are you seeing this again so like i heard the comments and we'll

[3:19:55] Voice 15: incorporate that into the referral we definitely wanted to know first of all why are you seeing it

[3:20:01] Voice 15: again because they're the highlight of the changes to go with that and your comment about the

[3:20:07] Voice 15: anticipation and the monitoring uh program that trustee pass will be on that little box as well

[3:20:17] Voice 15: just to make sure and that goes to all the federal agency and first nations

[3:20:23] Voice 6: yes on my reference that survey that was out there showing um you know how much community

[3:20:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): support was for this by-law. Can that be put into the referral?

[3:20:34] Trustee Patrick: I think that's communication

[3:20:35] Trustee Patrick: materials. That's the next step. I

[3:20:38] Trustee Patrick: think the referral agencies is pretty dull.

[3:20:44] Trustee Patrick: Nothing about your job. I mean, the referrals are dull. The next conversation is the communication

[3:20:49] Trustee Patrick: pieces.

[3:20:50] Voice 5: Okay. Yes.

[3:20:52] Trustee Patrick: On that data. Okay. So

[3:20:56] Trustee Patrick: I'm just trying to deal, I'm trying to break this

[3:20:58] Trustee Patrick: up into pieces

[3:20:58] Voice 5: absolutely step one is

[3:20:59] Trustee Patrick: the referral so should we make a motion on the

[3:21:06] Trustee Patrick: roof we

[3:21:07] Voice 5: should make a motion on the referral and so i'm

[3:21:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): hearing from staff that uh the motion that

[3:21:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): was just carried uh will be part of that as a matter of course and

[3:21:17] Voice 5: that if there's anything

[3:21:18] Voice 5: else specifically one that we want to have included that we should specify that i think

[3:21:25] Trustee Patrick: as long as there's enough information there because like i said this number ten percent was

[3:21:30] Trustee Patrick: not it's not our made up number that number is from a bc housing published report um that that's

[3:21:38] Trustee Patrick: all so i don't know if that reference is important to add because like i said i didn't just pull it

[3:21:43] Trustee Patrick: out of there um that was my only comment on that level of information but i'm just saying do you

[3:21:52] Trustee Patrick: want us to make this motion on the referral first like i said i'd like to break these up into pieces

[3:21:59] Trustee Patrick: yeah so if we just said that the salt spring island local trust committee request staff to

[3:22:06] Trustee Patrick: refer salt spring island local uh trust committee file number 530 cited as salt spring island land

[3:22:14] Trustee Patrick: use bylaw number 355 1999 amendment number one 2022 um that's

[3:22:22] Voice 5: amended stay

[3:22:25] Trustee Patrick: as amended that's fine

[3:22:27] Trustee Patrick: not

[3:22:27] Voice 5: period okay uh we'll take that as moved then and uh do have a second moved and seconded uh any

[3:22:37] Voice 5: further discussion i'll go ahead and call the question those all in favor and that carries

[3:22:43] Voice 5: Okay. And then you have one about the public.

[3:22:46] Voice 5: To me,

[3:22:47] Trustee Patrick: the communication materials and the design of the public information

[3:22:51] Trustee Patrick: sessions or open houses or what language to use.

[3:22:55] Trustee Patrick: I think I want to be more involved in this, you know,

[3:22:59] Trustee Patrick: that the materials need to be as,

[3:23:03] Trustee Patrick: as trustee Harris recorded the survey that we sent the card to every

[3:23:08] Trustee Patrick: greenhouse on Salt Spring. The survey is a good survey. The

[3:23:14] Trustee Patrick: results should be shared. We've never shared. And, you know,

[3:23:20] Trustee Patrick: there's, we've got lots of information, we should we need

[3:23:24] Trustee Patrick: to set the stage for this, this. This conversation. Yes, we have

[3:23:30] Trustee Patrick: strong support. But for those that are concerned, we need to

[3:23:32] Trustee Patrick: set the stage and um let them know

[3:23:36] Voice 1: there is a great

[3:23:37] Trustee Patrick: need um and that's what we're responding

[3:23:42] Trustee Patrick: to our intent our intent of this is that we're trying to make a path for legality for landlords

[3:23:53] Voice 12: um and that you

[3:23:57] Trustee Patrick: know like i said the material just be based like i said there's other other

[3:24:01] Trustee Patrick: there are cities that we can look at

[3:24:02] Trustee Patrick: that the material is just clear.

[3:24:06] Trustee Patrick: I know last week at the housing summit,

[3:24:08] Trustee Patrick: they were showing examples where,

[3:24:12] Trustee Patrick: this big red X through it, this green.

[3:24:16] Trustee Patrick: They were trying to make things very clear

[3:24:19] Trustee Patrick: as to this is what we're talking about,

[3:24:20] Trustee Patrick: this is not what we're talking about.

[3:24:23] Trustee Patrick: And oh, the other thing is that when we go to public,

[3:24:26] Trustee Patrick: I think this is a real opportunity

[3:24:27] Trustee Patrick: to work with our partners

[3:24:33] Trustee Patrick: like especially the building permitting group and a decision tree I think some sort some form

[3:24:43] Trustee Patrick: of decision tree to show how how we make decisions so just because this large map if it's passed

[3:24:50] Trustee Patrick: allows you to have accessory dwelling units there's a bunch of steps you're going to have to

[3:24:54] Trustee Patrick: go through oh am I in a development permit area no then you have to follow those things um if I'm

[3:25:02] Trustee Patrick: uh you know what's involved just even to get your well and septic um that's something i think the

[3:25:09] Trustee Patrick: crd should give us what would be necessary you know this isn't just go do it you have to prove

[3:25:17] Trustee Patrick: to the building permit that you have the capacity in your sewer and your water to service one of

[3:25:23] Trustee Patrick: these units um you know so i think some form of a decision tree to show that you know just because

[3:25:30] Trustee Patrick: because you could be allowed the use

[3:25:31] Trustee Patrick: doesn't mean you're gonna be able to build one.

[3:25:34] Trustee Patrick: Nevermind all the other obstacles just for you to do it.

[3:25:37] Trustee Patrick: It's still a difficult process to do.

[3:25:39] Trustee Patrick: And I think some simple communication techniques out there

[3:25:43] Trustee Patrick: would go a long way.

[3:25:45] Trustee Patrick: And I also think having this designed

[3:25:49] Trustee Patrick: in more of an open house style

[3:25:51] Trustee Patrick: where people can come in, see the information

[3:25:53] Trustee Patrick: and get educated and interested

[3:25:55] Trustee Patrick: and have a place where they can leave their comments

[3:25:57] Trustee Patrick: and thoughts and concerns.

[3:26:00] Trustee Patrick: um and then i don't i don't want to schedule a public hearing until after that happens you know

[3:26:06] Trustee Patrick: until we know that we're well underway and the materials are happening and then schedule okay

[3:26:14] Voice 5: thank you for that um so what i see uh the suggestion is to host a public information

[3:26:20] Voice 5: meeting not certainly not a public hearing at this point um i hear like you've got some very specific

[3:26:29] Voice 5: specific ideas and and some that in fact we need

[3:26:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): some collaboration with other agencies CRD for

[3:26:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): certainly like the decision tree I think that's a that's a brilliant idea um seems to be what we

[3:26:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): need to uh work out today is is uh uh work towards a resolution for hosting a public information

[3:26:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): information session uh give staff some some direction on that but if they're I'm hearing

[3:27:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): that you have some really specific ideas um I'm wondering how best to sort of incorporate that

[3:27:13] Trustee Patrick: I'm sorry my brain my brain's up too early this morning uh

[3:27:17] Trustee Patrick: yeah I'm just wondering

[3:27:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): like because

[3:27:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): because I I hear you saying some specific things and and those that that we could you know put in

[3:27:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): resolution or or hand staff a pile of stuff um and then if there's some sort of further

[3:27:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): materials that might require some more gathering uh in preparation then that's sort of a different

[3:27:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): piece but i know staff likes uh the most uh uh directive direction that we can give them um

[3:27:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): testing since there's some way to word it

[3:27:52] Voice 6: that we will work with staff to help you know initiate

[3:27:59] Voice 6: these different ideas

[3:28:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): such as the decision tree and clearly the housing task force i'm sure is

[3:28:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): going to be eager to help us out with that that

[3:28:08] Trustee Patrick: was my thought there too if maybe um maybe we

[3:28:13] Trustee Patrick: could direct staff to improve the work on the communication materials but using

[3:28:19] Trustee Patrick: the housing task force would be a great idea um and and design uh public um information

[3:28:31] Trustee Patrick: means or open houses whatever you wish to use for the terms i think i'm thinking more of an

[3:28:36] Trustee Patrick: open house style and bring to us next meeting is that um is that realistic not

[3:28:44] Voice 12: realistic jumping

[3:28:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): a lot about the understanding of what should go out and then just jumping to them just hearing

[3:28:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): that you want to hear what comes out of it but in terms of engagement planning i'm curious as to

[3:29:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): what ltc's receptivity is to the input they receive so how much i mean to go to great lengths

[3:29:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): to engage the public, to ask their time,

[3:29:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): implies some willingness to respond to that input.

[3:29:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): So what I'm wondering is, is your goal to simply

[3:29:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): inform people that this is happening? Is it to persuade?

[3:29:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): Or is it to hear what people have to say and reflect

[3:29:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): that in the halls?

[3:29:40] Trustee Patrick: It's both, but it's, we need

[3:29:43] Trustee Patrick: to explain what this is and just communication and educate.

[3:29:47] Trustee Patrick: We just heard Salt Spring Solutions this morning saying you can't do accessory dwelling units until you do the first two things.

[3:29:54] Trustee Patrick: Well, I don't think we're going to get CRD to agree to fund an housing.

[3:30:00] Trustee Patrick: on this island in the next four years um so the next one was education we aren't we need to educate

[3:30:11] Trustee Patrick: people as to what you know what this is what these are and we need to be that informed neutral voice

[3:30:19] Trustee Patrick: that explains that information um and and so that's that's not persuasion that's just

[3:30:26] Trustee Patrick: what is this um it's complicated uh through the process i'm envisioning more of an open house

[3:30:34] Trustee Patrick: style where people can work their way through the understanding of what this is realize that like

[3:30:41] Trustee Patrick: through a decision tree or something that's very visual that this isn't go build it there is a lot

[3:30:47] Trustee Patrick: of protection built into the system that you're going to have to work your way through to get to

[3:30:53] Trustee Patrick: out the other end um it's almost an that's why the uptake is going to be so little um

[3:31:00] Trustee Patrick: and of course through that process we want people to give us their feedback as well um

[3:31:10] Trustee Patrick: and and of course want to listen to that feedback and take that feedback into consideration

[3:31:15] Trustee Patrick: so it's it's it's going to need to do both we can't can't go ask for feedback if someone

[3:31:21] Trustee Patrick: thinks we're talking about a duck and it's a chicken um you know we've got to we've got to

[3:31:26] Trustee Patrick: draw the duck first explain it and so that they know what we're talking about um so they give us

[3:31:33] Trustee Patrick: good feedback on what we're trying to do just

[3:31:39] Voice 6: here so i hear that and um you know to uh planner

[3:31:44] Voice 6: or hun's question of are we trying to convince or just educate i think just in in form is the

[3:31:55] Voice 6: probably the big um you know the larger of the two um things

[3:32:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): that you know because we have heard from

[3:32:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): the community that's why we're going to have moving on this again i think if we can we need

[3:32:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): to get the message out there positively and showing showing the bylaw um

[3:32:15] Voice 6: you know as for

[3:32:18] Voice 6: what it actually is and um that's the big you know the uh the challenge at hand and again i

[3:32:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): think we're gonna have um immense community support for it as we've heard clearly from

[3:32:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): many already um decision tree sounds great i don't know how we get that out there if it's

[3:32:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): partially also a driftwood or um you know via

[3:32:47] Voice 6: whatever means we have to get information out

[3:32:50] Voice 6: to the public and um i

[3:32:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): really strongly suggest we um you know ask the housing task force they want

[3:32:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): to help right and there's something there right but and we want to do this as quickly as possible

[3:33:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): So whatever motion we need to put out today is interesting to me.

[3:33:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): Linda Garbo?

[3:33:14] Voice 15: Hi, Mr. Chair. I just have a question regarding the task force.

[3:33:21] Voice 15: Would you be open to us sending an email asking for volunteer to help us, you know, work on the design rather than having them because the logistic of having scheduling meetings and all that.

[3:33:35] Voice 15: calculate the process and quite often to bring the group back it's we haven't even gone to that

[3:33:41] Voice 15: stage but it would be a lot quicker to pick the communication pieces out if someone can just

[3:33:46] Voice 15: volunteer we can meet them and we can look at the material sounds

[3:33:51] Voice 8: great do we

[3:33:52] Voice 8: need to pass a motion

[3:33:54] Voice 8: for that we're

[3:33:55] Trustee Patrick: gonna have to get to that that's yeah that

[3:33:57] Trustee Patrick: detail out so like i said so i envisioned

[3:34:00] Trustee Patrick: So I envision that as creating some material that I, using the term open house, I'm trying to think of a more, because it is informative, you're going to get some people to think, I want to do one of these.

[3:34:11] Trustee Patrick: And they may think, oh, you know, because there's people out there saying this is we're just going to be thousands of these because they're so easy. Well, they're not easy.

[3:34:20] Trustee Patrick: easy so there's people that are going to come because they want to do one of these things and

[3:34:25] Trustee Patrick: they're going to have to learn there's a bunch of hoops you're going to hop through and not just us

[3:34:30] Trustee Patrick: the building permit department of proving all these other things so that's why i think there's

[3:34:36] Trustee Patrick: a benefit of us working with the crd so that someone could could come to an event of this

[3:34:41] Trustee Patrick: nature and learn how to do it um but also those that are worried will learn how to do it is not

[3:34:50] Trustee Patrick: not easy and that alone is the impediment to these units being done so it's I see it as

[3:34:56] Trustee Patrick: informational and educational in that way there would be information on the nuts and bolts of

[3:35:02] Trustee Patrick: what this is as well I mean but and and and we're gathering comments so I see it as a

[3:35:11] Trustee Patrick: interactive open house style not a you know microphone you know that's the public hearing

[3:35:19] Trustee Patrick: this is this is a informative, but yet gathering format.

[3:35:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): So Mr. Chair, if I may, I would suggest

[3:35:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): that possibly working with the sub quorum

[3:35:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): of community volunteers in the housing action program

[3:35:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): task force to come up with an engagement strategy

[3:35:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): that would be both informative, educational

[3:35:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): and provide a reasonable conduit for input that we can then provide back to the LTC is something we can work through.

[3:35:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): Provide we can do an engagement plan, outline our strategies, publish those to the website, and go ahead and execute that, if that works.

[3:36:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay, is that

[3:36:09] Voice 5: approaching what you're requesting?

[3:36:12] Voice 5: i

[3:36:12] Trustee Patrick: think so but it doesn't i mean is there a

[3:36:15] Trustee Patrick: chance for us to see i i think we i'd love to be able to

[3:36:19] Trustee Patrick: see it um um rather than you know because i we want to hit it out of the park in the first try

[3:36:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): so one option is actually you know this project may need a champion

[3:36:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): um and that may be ideal to have uh one lpc member um this process and be entrenched in the

[3:36:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): engagement process and directly answer questions that

[3:36:53] Trustee Patrick: is a voice that like so there's we need to

[3:36:55] Trustee Patrick: have our voice heard in some of these materials as well we have a whole list of things we've heard

[3:37:00] Trustee Patrick: we should answer those we can

[3:37:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): both do it i guess they yeah the the important thing is that we don't

[3:37:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): do it in such a way as to you know invoke quorum um so i'm certainly open to suggestions um

[3:37:19] Voice 5: alternate the trustee or that that's involved or i

[3:37:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): don't know i could say i think a champion

[3:37:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): championship is usually the term that you know in undertaking like this okay um so it should

[3:37:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): be a minor one but it's going to do a major one um so yeah um it would probably be best to just

[3:37:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): point one trustee um um to work with us to get us through this engagement period

[3:37:51] Trustee Patrick: i'm just talking this motion out without saying it yet

[3:37:53] Trustee Patrick: because i know you're typing away on it

[3:37:55] Trustee Patrick: already but we would trust many uh request staff work with a sub quorum of the housing

[3:38:04] Trustee Patrick: housing task force. Oh, you've already got it up there. Sorry.

[3:38:12] Voice 4: Is that that one? Oh, it's there. Sorry.

[3:38:21] Trustee Patrick: Direct staff

[3:38:22] Trustee Patrick: develop. I think it's

[3:38:25] Voice 4: an engagement plan. Sure. For the

[3:38:38] Trustee Patrick: proposal, in cooperation with a sub quorum, I think was the word

[3:38:44] Trustee Patrick: use sub quorum of the housing task force and me

[3:38:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): procedurally should we just do that on an ltc appointee and then appoint you separately

[3:39:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): whichever better whichever okay

[3:39:05] Voice 15: and uh yes for clarification uh what does sub quorum means do

[3:39:12] Voice 15: we still need a minute ticker do we need to schedule and post the meeting no can you just

[3:39:18] Voice 15: is some

[3:39:20] Trustee Patrick: quorum means less than we didn't trigger it i just want

[3:39:23] Trustee Patrick: to make sure yes

[3:39:23] Trustee Patrick: that's the new

[3:39:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): quorum yeah so it doesn't involve all of that stuff yeah okay um capture

[3:39:34] Voice 4: i think so but then

[3:39:38] Voice 4: do you need and then we'll do

[3:39:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): a separate motion to a point well

[3:39:43] Trustee Patrick: i mean if do we okay so if we're

[3:39:47] Trustee Patrick: developing and developing and implementing an engagement plan is that or no because i mean

[3:39:52] Trustee Patrick: we'd be potentially all back i know we even need to appoint

[3:39:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): a trustee at this point so second they

[3:39:57] Trustee Patrick: want to do a second one oh

[3:39:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): well there's a subquorum of the housing task force and then

[3:40:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): the trustee would be the champion i think was the term used is

[3:40:07] Trustee Patrick: that sufficient or do you also need

[3:40:11] Trustee Patrick: an engagement plan develop engagement plans that develop and

[3:40:16] Voice 6: execute and execute that's

[3:40:17] Trustee Patrick: what i thought there was something missing develop and execute there we go on the

[3:40:23] Trustee Patrick: fly today sorry

[3:40:25] Voice 12: do

[3:40:25] Voice 7: you want to take on that so i was all for when wanting to

[3:40:31] Trustee Patrick: be done by i

[3:40:32] Trustee Patrick: think that's a moved

[3:40:34] Trustee Patrick: forward as time can allow

[3:40:37] Voice 5: us all right would you like to uh want

[3:40:43] Trustee Patrick: me to read that again

[3:40:44] Trustee Patrick: trust committee direct staff to develop and execute an engagement

[3:40:51] Trustee Patrick: plan and uh and communication communication materials for the proposed bylaw number 530

[3:40:58] Trustee Patrick: in cooperation with a subquorum of the housing task force and a trustee

[3:41:05] Voice 5: so

[3:41:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): moved to have a seconder excellent any further discussion all those in favor the motion carries

[3:41:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): is and should we now who's running for champion who would like to be the champion instead of

[3:41:22] Trustee Patrick: trustees uh

[3:41:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): but staff

[3:41:26] Voice 5: would you like us to go ahead and make a motion to that effect yep okay

[3:41:32] Voice 5: uh i'll take a stab at it uh so i moved that the local trust committee appoint uh trustee patrick

[3:41:40] Voice 5: to work with staff and the subquorum of the housing task force on the communication and

[3:41:50] Voice 5: engagement plan for bylaw 530.

[3:41:57] Voice 4: second

[3:41:58] Voice 5: happy now moved and seconded any further discussion

[3:42:05] Voice 5: all those in favor and that carries

[3:42:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): thank you trustees thank you staff

[3:42:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): Anything further on this before we move on to the next piece here?

[3:42:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): 14.2, the Ganges Village Planning, staff report at page 189.

[3:42:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): And

[3:42:38] Voice 6: that's also coming from Planner Garbo.

[3:42:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): This

[3:42:56] Voice 15: one is just a quick update, as requested by how you can see.

[3:43:02] Voice 15: So the second slide will show you.

[3:43:16] Voice 15: And so it's been for quite a few years now, that's been a talk about developing an area.

[3:43:24] Voice 15: So the next slides will show that in 2020.

[3:43:28] Voice 15: the project charter for his undertaking to develop the area plan and there are two distinct

[3:43:40] Voice 15: phases although it's a little bit muddled right now just because things that happen

[3:43:46] Voice 15: simultaneously it's not as clear so the next slide will show to kickstart the process

[3:43:53] Voice 15: process, trustees come to the Ganges Village Planning Task Force, and also part of the

[3:43:59] Voice 15: funding from last fiscal year was to hire a consultant to do a very robust public engagement

[3:44:06] Voice 15: program, and also in addition to that, what came out of it was a two-day workshop with

[3:44:12] Voice 15: the task force, and the both summary, the general public engagement and the task force

[3:44:19] Voice 15: for summary are on the web page, on the project page.

[3:44:25] Voice 15: And then the next slide will show you

[3:44:28] Voice 15: one of the major undertaking of the task force

[3:44:31] Voice 15: is to review the 2007 report on Ganges Village.

[3:44:37] Voice 15: And because by the task force perspective is that

[3:44:44] Voice 15: a lot of the policies are still very relevant.

[3:44:47] Voice 15: And so, a lot of time spent on that one, and the ones that can carry over to the current

[3:44:56] Voice 15: area plans been identified, so that is in the attachment to the staff report.

[3:45:02] Voice 15: And I think there's only one more, two more slides to show.

[3:45:07] Voice 15: The next one will show for the status of the summary.

[3:45:11] Voice 15: This is what we'll show in general for the public to see.

[3:45:15] Voice 15: and then the next one will show the project budget that was adopted for this let's go here

[3:45:22] Voice 15: and which allow us to continue with consultation with first nations and to also do an rfp for

[3:45:30] Voice 15: consultants to drop the area plan based on the input the summary from the prior consultant

[3:45:38] Voice 15: and also there's 3,500 line item in the budget

[3:45:44] Voice 15: that was supposedly backed down for the task force,

[3:45:48] Voice 15: which the staff proposed to consider transferring

[3:45:52] Voice 15: for First Nation consultation,

[3:45:54] Voice 15: because now we have to split the consultation

[3:45:57] Voice 15: with First Nations to both the Ganges and the OCP amendment.

[3:46:04] Voice 15: So that's something which is a proposed resolution

[3:46:08] Voice 15: And then the 7,000, it's for the technical, whether it's making a map or designing brochure or whatever.

[3:46:19] Voice 15: So that was approved.

[3:46:20] Voice 15: And I think that is the last line is just the final step.

[3:46:27] Voice 15: So that's where we are at, to draft the RFP and then to manage the contract and continue

[3:46:36] Voice 15: with the public communications, outreach, and First Nations coordination.

[3:46:43] Voice 15: And staff continue to supply background information, working with the consultant on their policies.

[3:46:51] Voice 15: So one thing I do want to point out, we mentioned it to the task force before, we've been working

[3:46:57] Voice 15: with First Nations on some of the policies and they did provide us with some of the draft,

[3:47:03] Voice 15: but they don't want to have that published until all First Nations get to take a look at it and

[3:47:10] Voice 15: consider that. So that's where we're at.

[3:47:15] Voice 4: Any questions?

[3:47:19] Voice 12: comments comments questions questions

[3:47:22] Trustee Patrick: well yeah um did the Ganji's task force I saw the

[3:47:29] Trustee Patrick: letter had been drafted where they sent the letters that they're no longer I don't know

[3:47:34] Voice 14: um

[3:47:36] Voice 12: they were going to be sent sorry through the chair they'll be sent this afternoon uh we just

[3:47:42] Voice 12: got final that was that that

[3:47:46] Trustee Patrick: was an awkward moment um this morning and uh probably old apologies so

[3:47:51] Trustee Patrick: i i was shell-shocked so that is unfortunate that the letters have not gone out um anyway uh okay

[3:48:06] Trustee Patrick: we had passed before we were going to amalgamate the we kept the housing task force but we

[3:48:12] Trustee Patrick: were going to put the whole

[3:48:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): the rest into the great great

[3:48:15] Trustee Patrick: cbapc and they were supposed to be

[3:48:17] Trustee Patrick: invited to participate put their names forward on that so that was a while back so the letters

[3:48:22] Trustee Patrick: haven't gone out yet um can

[3:48:26] Voice 12: we refer this decision uh well i think

[3:48:29] Trustee Patrick: i'd like to i think we should have

[3:48:31] Trustee Patrick: some discussion some discussion

[3:48:33] Trustee Patrick: about because i'm not

[3:48:37] Trustee Patrick: so certain we have two projects anymore

[3:48:40] Trustee Patrick: more exactly yes and no um with you know an ocp project that's kind of focusing on housing

[3:48:50] Trustee Patrick: i'm i'm at a i'm at a i i have a problem with the recommendations as is because moving forward with

[3:48:58] Trustee Patrick: an area plan when i don't know what future we're talking about yet we've got a water moratorium

[3:49:04] Trustee Patrick: with no water connections so is the future of Ganges a dust bowl or is the future of Ganges

[3:49:12] Trustee Patrick: a vibrant place where people want to live I hope it's a vibrant place where people want to live

[3:49:21] Trustee Patrick: but we've got a whole bunch of servicing problems I think we need to come to I think we still have

[3:49:28] Trustee Patrick: work to do I think we need to separate and have a conversation still about what Ganges is and

[3:49:35] Trustee Patrick: particular housing i have met with a number of residents that live in town and uh i think the

[3:49:41] Trustee Patrick: all these announcements from the province have got some people they're you know what does it

[3:49:46] Trustee Patrick: mean is every lot in the ganges going to be able to have a fourplex well we already up the 2008 ocp

[3:49:54] Trustee Patrick: made it maybe even more than a fourplex um you know i look at the work that victoria has done

[3:50:01] Trustee Patrick: with the the very poorly named missing middle but that's really between a single family home and a

[3:50:07] Trustee Patrick: three-plex apartment complex which is what we have on salt spring what's between that

[3:50:12] Trustee Patrick: um what does that look like and i can understand the people living down in this area here they see

[3:50:20] Trustee Patrick: the writings on the wall there's more density that could potentially come if the servicing

[3:50:25] Trustee Patrick: question is answered. And I'm telling them they need to

[3:50:30] Trustee Patrick: participate, they need to be helping shape what that looks

[3:50:34] Trustee Patrick: like. Because if we don't shape what that looks like as a

[3:50:37] Trustee Patrick: community, applicants are going to bring their ideas to the

[3:50:40] Trustee Patrick: table. And I think we have an opportunity to really say, what

[3:50:46] Trustee Patrick: do the neighborhoods of Ganges and I we're not, we haven't the

[3:50:50] Trustee Patrick: the information we have here isn't sufficient

[3:50:53] Trustee Patrick: to do that work of what does that look like?

[3:50:57] Trustee Patrick: What does density look like in Ganges?

[3:51:01] Trustee Patrick: Do we have different neighborhoods?

[3:51:02] Trustee Patrick: Do we have different areas?

[3:51:04] Trustee Patrick: And as David Dunison was referring to,

[3:51:07] Trustee Patrick: we don't really know where those corners are in Ganges yet.

[3:51:10] Trustee Patrick: Our OCP says we shouldn't leapfrog.

[3:51:13] Trustee Patrick: Well, we've leapfrogged.

[3:51:15] Trustee Patrick: Upper Ganges is a whole growing village.

[3:51:19] Trustee Patrick: are those should those be connected if they're connected what's between here and there um there's

[3:51:25] Trustee Patrick: a lot of alr but you know what does that look like um so i think we have like i said two issues

[3:51:34] Trustee Patrick: that we need to separate i think we have a i'd like to say a fun issue of the what does it look

[3:51:40] Trustee Patrick: like we still have more work to do of what does that look like in ganges in the neighborhoods

[3:51:46] Trustee Patrick: How does Ganges look in an ideal future state of what it could look like and how that could relate to development permit areas and things that we have already in place as we direct development into the future?

[3:52:05] Trustee Patrick: Then there's the whole service question.

[3:52:08] Trustee Patrick: That's not just us.

[3:52:10] Trustee Patrick: We are just one of.

[3:52:12] Trustee Patrick: um and i think we can't do you know we can't finish the first piece you know that they come

[3:52:20] Trustee Patrick: together at some point with what are the services what are the realistic septic and or you know the

[3:52:27] Trustee Patrick: sewer and water and what does it mean and the other word i'll i'm going to use the word it's

[3:52:33] Trustee Patrick: i wish we need a salt spring version of it an urban containment zone um you know friday harbor

[3:52:40] Trustee Patrick: is an urban containment zone for the San Juan Islands and it works that it's contained it has

[3:52:48] Trustee Patrick: it has a threshold it has a population threshold that's been set and determined

[3:52:52] Trustee Patrick: um and it works you step out of the urban containment area and you're in rural San Juan

[3:52:59] Trustee Patrick: Island it's working um I know we've set growth boundaries but I don't even know what that means

[3:53:08] Trustee Patrick: because we didn't found the growth

[3:53:10] Trustee Patrick: because there was no water

[3:53:12] Trustee Patrick: so everybody just popped out and left

[3:53:14] Trustee Patrick: so we haven't

[3:53:16] Trustee Patrick: planned this very well

[3:53:18] Trustee Patrick: I think

[3:53:20] Trustee Patrick: I'm hoping that we really could

[3:53:22] Trustee Patrick: contain

[3:53:25] Trustee Patrick: growth to a particular

[3:53:26] Trustee Patrick: area

[3:53:28] Trustee Patrick: but the service area

[3:53:30] Trustee Patrick: that's a whole bunch of agencies that have

[3:53:32] Trustee Patrick: to come together and talk about the reality

[3:53:34] Trustee Patrick: of delivering that service

[3:53:36] Trustee Patrick: us into the future and makes those hard decisions so i think we've got to divide it have a little

[3:53:44] Trustee Patrick: fun i think this community needs to have some something fun to work on and what ganges could

[3:53:50] Trustee Patrick: look like could be fun and then we have to say how do we how do we instigate all these agencies

[3:53:59] Trustee Patrick: to start thinking about in the province and in terms of reconciliation and potential co-management

[3:54:07] Trustee Patrick: there's a lot of exciting things that could happen with ganges but

[3:54:12] Voice 4: okay

[3:54:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): thank you trustee patrick

[3:54:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): trustee harris you know for a lot of the things that uh reasons that patrick just

[3:54:27] Voice 6: spoke to and from hearing from a member of the ganges village planning task force this morning

[3:54:39] Voice 6: um i'm not prepared to go forward with this at this point i

[3:54:47] Voice 4: need definitely need to uh

[3:54:52] Voice 4: to hear more so okay um yes

[3:55:01] Voice 5: trustee patrick well

[3:55:03] Trustee Patrick: i i liked some of the what i was hearing

[3:55:06] Trustee Patrick: from south springs what we've seen but the theme of ready and ganja's for housing i thought that

[3:55:11] Trustee Patrick: was a good thing is there a look to staff was there is there an opportunity to potentially

[3:55:17] Trustee Patrick: essentially combine the two projects even you know there's elements we've got an urban core

[3:55:23] Trustee Patrick: urban I think that we're village core um aspect of housing and we're looking at the OCP is there

[3:55:31] Trustee Patrick: a chance with staff please combine

[3:55:35] Voice 6: it with the

[3:55:36] Trustee Patrick: OCP review project okay

[3:55:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): um vision that I take is

[3:55:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): is that we have the opportunity in a way that is more focused on identifying the more superficial

[3:56:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): realm aspects so water sewer um probably not going to be certified um probably not going to

[3:56:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): get any improvement by having a community driven solution about focusing on street improvements on

[3:56:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): on ideas of where density is kind of acceptable in that area.

[3:56:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): Having an idea of what we can participate in,

[3:56:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): what we can use, amenities.

[3:56:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): Having an idea of what, in future development,

[3:56:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): is possible, what would be possible in that area.

[3:56:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): We'd like to be appreciated by the first center

[3:56:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): or the services center for what we can combine the two.

[3:56:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): That is important because we have to spend more than a year.

[3:56:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): So by doing this work this year, we have a growth center that's more informed, allowing us to consider where does growth actually need to go in other areas in order to meet housing expectations.

[3:57:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): We can focus more on that housing in that village center as well as the other village centers throughout the area.

[3:57:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): So it allows us to look again at growth planning.

[3:57:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): And there's other work going on around understanding the Water Works District.

[3:57:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): they're doing on their own and the LCC will probably also drive a lot of better understanding

[3:57:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): of services continuing on with Ganges whether it is more of an aspirational policy type

[3:57:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): set or having a clear understanding of values and feeding that into the OCP as we move towards

[3:57:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): completion of it following the completion of the Ganges plans either way it's it's it's the sort

[3:57:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): of key asset in terms of growth management uh in the area so um yeah it very much does feed

[3:57:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): into the ocp we would not be able to simply ignore it in the ocp process

[3:58:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): that process and having a well-informed ocp budget my

[3:58:09] Trustee Patrick: concern is it being are we being too

[3:58:11] Trustee Patrick: superficial um you know i haven't even seen drawing i mean i've seen the crd drawings of

[3:58:17] Trustee Patrick: what's coming from an ocean rise perspective. I think ocean rise might occur faster than we

[3:58:23] Trustee Patrick: thought it was. Fortunately, Ganges is on a slope that heads uphill, but I haven't seen us thinking

[3:58:31] Trustee Patrick: of some of those more dramatic issues. It's not going to look like it does now. It's going to have

[3:58:42] Trustee Patrick: to migrate a little, are we just creating a superficial policy, or I look at these folks

[3:58:55] Trustee Patrick: living down on the streets, just over here behind us, they're worried about how's this

[3:59:02] Trustee Patrick: development going to look that is highly likely coming sooner than later, and you've got a

[3:59:09] Trustee Patrick: province announcing that everyone's going to be able to have a fourplex and they're sitting in

[3:59:13] Trustee Patrick: their little single family house going am i going to suddenly be surrounded by fourplexes um what

[3:59:19] Trustee Patrick: does that look like um so we've got some immediate needs of people are still managing to get

[3:59:29] Trustee Patrick: development built even though it's darn right difficult in this town um up to its aspirational

[3:59:39] Trustee Patrick: could have to migrate up the hill believe

[3:59:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): me i think that's true and i think looking at the

[3:59:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): ganges area um you know in terms of what my house wants it might look different

[3:59:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): in you know that this fourplex idea um that's that's part of the aesthetics of it like what

[3:59:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): is inappropriate there are there are many

[3:59:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): ways to you

[4:00:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): to create four plexes on single family lot that integrate well into a low density you know

[4:00:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): city fabric so that's fine um you know propped in the village of crofton great example where

[4:00:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): they've done immense amounts of street improvement funded water and sewer um and there's there's a

[4:00:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): land use that's a design set that goes with that private property the investment just hasn't come

[4:00:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): to that area yet so it's first ready and when that development does happen it happens like you see

[4:00:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): at right down across these things can happen but having a plan in place is what planners need in

[4:00:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): order to manage that development we need regulations and guidelines so creation of those

[4:00:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): you may not end up with an ocp dpa guideline set from the engines but you'll have a policy set and

[4:00:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): a design perspective that gets you to completing the ocp where the regulations have

[4:00:53] Voice 4: been to make

[4:00:55] Voice 4: that happen i think

[4:01:05] Trustee Patrick: i think i need to see some examples i'd like to that would be great is

[4:01:09] Trustee Patrick: crofton you know maybe that would be helpful is to see some examples of what you're you're

[4:01:17] Trustee Patrick: that you're describing.

[4:01:22] Voice 15: Chair, if I may comment on that.

[4:01:24] Voice 15: There are a lot of policies already in the background,

[4:01:29] Voice 15: not just from the 2004 report.

[4:01:32] Voice 15: Through our research, we have, you know,

[4:01:35] Voice 15: gathering a lot of information that could be very applicable

[4:01:38] Voice 15: for example, like transition sunscreen and some more,

[4:01:41] Voice 15: the climate action 2.0.

[4:01:44] Voice 15: There are some policies, even though it's high level,

[4:01:49] Voice 15: They are important to be, you know, and applicable for the village setting and certainly partnership with us doing their transportation study that they just completed.

[4:02:02] Voice 15: So they're going to share the information with us was on the Ganges.

[4:02:05] Voice 15: So we do have a lot of information and we've been first nations, like I said, they provide a lot of the idea of what they like to see as policies.

[4:02:13] Voice 15: policies. What we're trying to do is get this consultant look at the really robust public

[4:02:23] Voice 15: information that they gather through all the different... It was a very robust program.

[4:02:28] Voice 15: They have done pop-up public engagement outreach. They have done all different groups engagement

[4:02:37] Voice 15: and also design workshops.

[4:02:39] Voice 15: So the consultant recommended not to let those comments

[4:02:44] Voice 15: or recommendations go stale.

[4:02:46] Voice 15: We should start looking at those, develop some policies.

[4:02:50] Voice 15: And we're not saying by the end of this fiscal year,

[4:02:54] Voice 15: it's a draft document ready for adoption,

[4:02:57] Voice 15: but it's easier for the community to see

[4:03:00] Voice 15: what's been all put together,

[4:03:02] Voice 15: and then they can react to the comment, the draft comment.

[4:03:07] Voice 15: and like you said you want to see it this is how we are anxious to even put together so that we

[4:03:13] Voice 15: can comment on it and say what do we need to do do we need to go deeper over specific policies or

[4:03:20] Voice 15: what where do we need to go because it's only 50 000 it's not a very extensive big document

[4:03:31] Voice 15: them it is an aerial plan so that we can react to it and the other thing i just want to share

[4:03:37] Voice 15: with the trustees i read the newspaper that james bay community voted down on the area

[4:03:43] Voice 15: five couple years ago and now they regret it because now they've seen all this massive

[4:03:48] Voice 15: buildings or development also coming in and they don't have anything to there's no area

[4:03:54] Voice 15: a fine guide in the future so that may be something to consider to have it said that

[4:04:02] Voice 15: yes right now there are some policies within the ocp may not be strong enough so i think it's just

[4:04:10] Voice 15: when we can incorporate the public comment and make some recommendations

[4:04:14] Voice 15: so that we can all react to it by the end of the year

[4:04:20] Voice 5: again

[4:04:21] Trustee Patrick: i mean i'm my concern i'm

[4:04:24] Trustee Patrick: I'm concerned if we just come out with a policy document for Ganges, Jamie and I will be crucified

[4:04:33] Trustee Patrick: by the public for, oh boy, a whole bunch of policies, but we still don't have any water.

[4:04:40] Trustee Patrick: It's eggs and chickens here that I'm concerned about.

[4:04:43] Trustee Patrick: And I thought

[4:04:44] Trustee Patrick: you mentioned James Bay, and I've got, you know, they did baseline conditions.

[4:04:51] Trustee Patrick: They did, you know, a summary of relevant policies.

[4:04:55] Trustee Patrick: they did do a vision statement they did do a comprehensive list of planning issues and

[4:04:59] Trustee Patrick: priorities they did do technical studies to determine their sewer and their water

[4:05:05] Trustee Patrick: then they came back with a plan after all of that so that's my my only concern is we've got

[4:05:13] Trustee Patrick: half the story we've got visionary things that we can do but we don't have the the technical side of

[4:05:21] Trustee Patrick: can you do it and that's my concern as a as a as a politician in this community is here's this

[4:05:28] Trustee Patrick: wonderful plan that has all these visionary things but you can't do it

[4:05:32] Voice 9: no

[4:05:33] Trustee Patrick: more connections

[4:05:34] Trustee Patrick: um and so i i just see that as being you know i'm setting up a conversation that's going to

[4:05:44] Trustee Patrick: to have a bad ending um and and so i i think while i agree we want to set the policies and

[4:05:52] Trustee Patrick: be working on it i think there's an opportunity to do things in a um in a in a in a in a happy way

[4:06:01] Trustee Patrick: i think i think this community is dying for some reinvigoration and you know we've got the the work

[4:06:07] Trustee Patrick: the you know the arts are doing yes the work that we learned and there's there is some some of that

[4:06:13] Trustee Patrick: But I don't want to set up the expectations that, you know, now we

[4:06:16] Trustee Patrick: just have a set of policies for a future that we can't have.

[4:06:19] Trustee Patrick: You know, it's like bringing someone into the candy store.

[4:06:22] Trustee Patrick: You can't choose any of the candy.

[4:06:23] Trustee Patrick: You can look at it, but you can't have it.

[4:06:28] Trustee Patrick: You know, so there is that piece of, you know, we're going to have to come back together.

[4:06:33] Trustee Patrick: To me, we can't create the area plan until we come back with the technical side of what is the sewer and the water and the future of that has to come back together.

[4:06:46] Trustee Patrick: I just don't see how, what am I missing?

[4:06:53] Voice 5: So, I'm absolutely no expert in here, but I'm just looking at one of the graphics here.

[4:06:59] Voice 5: and uh and uh there's on page 191 and there's uh talking about the budget approval uh

[4:07:11] Voice 5: developing a request for a proposal to draft a village area plan and um in the phase two section

[4:07:20] Voice 5: uh there's research and analysis on existing conditions and i mean that's sort of to me that

[4:07:26] Voice 5: sort of speaks a little bit about what you're talking

[4:07:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): about in terms of of those servicing

[4:07:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): requirements that are aren't in our jurisdiction um i

[4:07:40] Trustee Patrick: i i'm going to challenge you on that okay

[4:07:43] Trustee Patrick: what is our jurisdiction for a land use planner how do you do land use without taking sewer and

[4:07:48] Trustee Patrick: water into account well

[4:07:50] Voice 5: i'm absolutely they need to be taken to it in account but they're not

[4:07:54] Voice 5: there are not things that we can uh provide then

[4:07:57] Trustee Patrick: how do we do land use planning well

[4:08:00] Voice 5: clearly this

[4:08:01] Voice 5: is

[4:08:01] Trustee Patrick: one partner we're yeah

[4:08:02] Voice 5: no this is one of the situations we need to

[4:08:05] Voice 5: be working with

[4:08:06] Voice 5: we're working with the the crd certainly and i mean i guess there's you know the this which in

[4:08:17] Voice 5: itself with the uh elections

[4:08:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): coming up at the end of the month it's going to add for perhaps

[4:08:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): add complexity or perhaps the aid and simplify the process of working with others here but

[4:08:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): i'm not trying to i'm not trying to argue uh for a specific outcome here i'm just

[4:08:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): sort of if you have any validation trustee harris please i'm not prepared to make a decision

[4:08:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): on this today or or support a motion of any sort regarding this today and um i would love to defer

[4:08:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): this to the

[4:08:58] Voice 4: next ltc i do

[4:09:06] Voice 4: have a question i just i'm just

[4:09:08] Trustee Patrick: um for me i think having some of the

[4:09:09] Trustee Patrick: dialogue is useful for next steps or where we where we are going if again i'm going to use the

[4:09:16] Trustee Patrick: term if we're if if we were to truly call ganges a containment area you know but i'd like a better

[4:09:24] Trustee Patrick: word that's salt spring friendly so it's it's that's a that's a planning term a growth containment

[4:09:31] Trustee Patrick: area um does that affect the area plan that you're thinking of of working on because to me that that's

[4:09:42] Trustee Patrick: a that's a that's a big difference we're saying this area is where we should direct growth to

[4:09:49] Voice 4: we have

[4:09:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): policies direct to um the village areas which can be is one

[4:10:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): because the desire to change the planning area um the adoption process for local there's no

[4:10:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): legislation speaks

[4:10:08] Voice 6: to a local area plan,

[4:10:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): an essential policy, unless they're attended to an OCP.

[4:10:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): So, you know,

[4:10:15] Voice 6: to complete an OCP, again, a plan that contemplates an expansion of the Kennedy

[4:10:22] Village area, for example,

[4:10:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): that would likely involve, at the point that we complete the OCP

[4:10:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): project, we would be looking to align those two boundaries.

[4:10:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): because

[4:10:41] Trustee Patrick: my next question leads to sort of the societal obligations

[4:10:46] Trustee Patrick: no so in 2008 yes they did direct growth to kanji's but then a water moratorium chased growth

[4:10:54] Trustee Patrick: away um you know i agree they did the right decision to direct growth to kanji's that made

[4:11:02] Trustee Patrick: sense but um to me there's a societal obligation if we're going to say growth is being concentrated

[4:11:12] Trustee Patrick: in a particular area then there's an obligation on society to make sure that the services that

[4:11:18] Trustee Patrick: that area need

[4:11:19] Voice 9: are

[4:11:20] Trustee Patrick: provided um you know water master plans that you know you go to sang again

[4:11:27] Trustee Patrick: go to friday harbor they have a water master plan they know in 2025 they've got to narrow their

[4:11:32] Trustee Patrick: choices to expand their water system down to three and they're budgeting for that they know in 2028

[4:11:39] Trustee Patrick: they've got to start working on the next you know how to how to add more water um to me that sounds

[4:11:45] Trustee Patrick: like a responsible society taking care of the the growth area that they created um and i'm i'm just

[4:11:54] Trustee Patrick: concerned we're we're oil and water um you know how do we make sure that these things are happening

[4:12:04] Trustee Patrick: i just i don't understand how i can do an area plan in in an environment with no no water

[4:12:10] Trustee Patrick: connection i'm just i i'm frustrated and i can't imagine trying to sell that to the public

[4:12:19] Voice 6: you know clearly there are some elections

[4:12:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): coming up regarding the actual water uh you know north

[4:12:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): salt spring water and we're quite possibly going to see a very different uh viewpoint coming from

[4:12:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): them in regards to uh water availability so you

[4:12:36] Voice 6: know i said it's interesting um also when i look

[4:12:41] Voice 6: at this map i clearly see that we have had conversations um and i've had conversations

[4:12:47] Voice 6: others in the community where clearly again she's going to need to expand much further than what the

[4:12:52] Voice 6: map is showing uh i don't even know if that's relevant to this point but um you know we've got

[4:12:56] Voice 6: the questions with the alr land that we need to you know really address aggressively um you and

[4:13:02] Voice 6: i together um with others approach the province um and the alc but um yeah it's again

[4:13:15] Voice 17: this is

[4:13:16] Voice 17: great conversation well

[4:13:19] Trustee Patrick: for the white paper i have not seen this paper that was alluded to this

[4:13:24] Trustee Patrick: morning section on readying ganges for housing that is probably going to be interesting um

[4:13:34] Voice 6: i'm also concerned if i may mr i'm concerned

[4:13:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): um we

[4:13:38] Voice 6: heard from uh david dunn this morning i

[4:13:41] Voice 6: actually didn't completely you know dropping the ball here but i don't know what uh

[4:13:47] Voice 6: i didn't realize that they were not going to be it was we

[4:13:52] Trustee Patrick: we voted to amalgamate them into the

[4:13:54] Trustee Patrick: into the advisory planning committee okay

[4:13:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): so but are some of them going to be involved

[4:14:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): but

[4:14:02] Trustee Patrick: the letter was supposed to invite them to join but

[4:14:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): they hadn't been invited yet so they

[4:14:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): were not supposed to um they're about to be as soon as those letters go out in the

[4:14:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): process uh mr pingel you know um the apc invite process and the determination

[4:14:21] Voice 6: of like the call

[4:14:22] Voice 6: the government here happening yet it hasn't begun yet no it will be shortly yeah yeah

[4:14:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): so um trustees

[4:14:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): if i could just bring us to some focus here i'm hearing from trustee harris um you're you're not

[4:14:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): prepared to to advance uh these motions today um uh trust patrick i'm hearing lots of great

[4:14:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): great questions and discussions as to the resolutions

[4:14:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): in front of us, what's your feeling here today?

[4:14:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): Do we want to be requesting further information?

[4:15:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): Do we want to be deferring this to another time?

[4:15:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): Are you prepared to make these motions?

[4:15:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): I would love to see it deferred

[4:15:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): and I actually don't need further information at this time.

[4:15:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): I need

[4:15:10] Voice 6: to really absorb the information that's available.

[4:15:13] Voice 6: vote we want to talk to um the genji's planning task force folks

[4:15:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): and uh okay and and trustee

[4:15:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): patrick what are your thoughts um

[4:15:25] Trustee Patrick: i think some more

[4:15:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): i i think some

[4:15:28] Trustee Patrick: more information would i i

[4:15:29] Trustee Patrick: like us to be all on the same page and i don't feel i just i'm not seeing the vision that i'm

[4:15:36] Trustee Patrick: hearing yet and i think i'd like to see some examples of kind of what are we aiming at what

[4:15:42] Trustee Patrick: is the document you know what does it look like if

[4:15:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): i if i may mr chair i'd just like to

[4:15:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): talk a little bit about expectations around services um we lack agency over our services

[4:15:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): we don't have water utilities um we don't have zero utilities here so this is a challenge for

[4:16:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): us so there's a need to be integrated but in my experience even in communities where we have

[4:16:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): have water and sewer utilities engineers are more solutions based they'd much rather be

[4:16:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): um i was joking with mr planner garbo the other day that uh you know when planners do their work

[4:16:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): we usually present problems to engineers and that gives them an opportunity to provide solutions

[4:16:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's usually what what engineers are very uncomfortable with how much could we build

[4:16:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): say hey what do you want to miss like i say well that won't work that won't work but that will

[4:16:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): and I'll point out other alternatives, right?

[4:16:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): So these are the ways that like,

[4:16:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): so trying to get a very clear picture of where water,

[4:16:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): sewer and ideal building situations are going to align

[4:16:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): on mass is really challenging.

[4:16:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): And even in Ganges area, like getting a,

[4:16:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): doing a capacity,

[4:16:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): getting like any type of investment studies

[4:16:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): is going to be significant,

[4:16:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): larger than the Ganges budget itself.

[4:17:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): And a visioning process is probably going to be more open

[4:17:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): to attack, but this is the policy cycle that we are.

[4:17:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): You know that good communities go through is that they're constantly sort of revising their policies and adjusting to meet rather than doing very large project updating.

[4:17:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): We do need to get some traction on the engines, and so this is the bottom line goal here is, you know how do we manage development and even redevelopment because there's there are sites that are faced with significant redevelopment and again just today.

[4:17:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): fire hall being one of them, so you're going to be things that we're going to be questioning you know what what's going to be the.

[4:17:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): the best use on that site um so these are things that we need to think about but when it comes to

[4:17:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): digging into the you know the flows and uh the elbows it's just not something that we're going

[4:17:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): to be able to there's a there's a need to have integrated engagement with our our servicing

[4:17:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): partners in the regional district and ourselves from waterworks district um but there may be some

[4:18:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): limitations on what we're able to provide but we can provide more information on what a design

[4:18:05] Trustee Peterson (probable): centered plan would look like and that would be focusing on the character of the sort of upland

[4:18:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): Ganges area.

[4:18:18] Voice 12: And I hear

[4:18:20] Trustee Patrick: you on that but I think as that the two need to come together at some

[4:18:27] Trustee Patrick: point that's why I said there's two to me there's two processes here and it's okay to have

[4:18:34] Trustee Patrick: inspirational conversations as long as we're clear that there's that's an inspirational

[4:18:40] Trustee Patrick: conversational conversation that we're kind of having. Ideally, what should this look like and

[4:18:45] Trustee Patrick: what the controls are for that? And that does give comfort to the ones that are folks that

[4:18:50] Trustee Patrick: are living down here worried about what's the fourplex going to look like from my next block

[4:18:53] Trustee Patrick: or bigger. But I think as the organization responsible for planning, I think we should

[4:19:04] Trustee Patrick: be driving the other piece to be thinking as well and that to me there's an end product at

[4:19:14] Trustee Patrick: the end of the day where the two have to come together uh somehow i think that's always been

[4:19:20] Trustee Patrick: ideally what i that that's my experience has always been ground up you start you know what's

[4:19:25] Trustee Patrick: in the ground and you plan up from there um and and i just you know just worry that um um

[4:19:38] Trustee Patrick: you know, is that, like I said, if we got something useful at the end of the day,

[4:19:44] Trustee Patrick: that's going to be achievable. Because to me, that's the whole point of an area plan is it's

[4:19:52] Trustee Patrick: laying out the framework for trying to achieve that future. And so like I said, I think we can

[4:20:01] Trustee Patrick: help drive that piece on the servicing side. I know we're not responsible, but we can push up,

[4:20:10] Trustee Patrick: cajole coordinate do all those other words so

[4:20:15] Voice 5: just patrick if i might um

[4:20:20] Voice 5: we've had a good discussion here but i i don't feel like we've um approached a resolution

[4:20:27] Voice 5: at this point i've heard from trustee

[4:20:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): harris that he'd like to defer

[4:20:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): at this point and um so i'd just like to ask if you have uh uh any request for further information

[4:20:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): or action i

[4:20:42] Trustee Patrick: would like to see some examples uh you know like i'm going out and looking at other

[4:20:47] Trustee Patrick: communities area plans and i'm seeing what i'm seeing staff i'd like i think it'd be great if

[4:20:52] Trustee Patrick: staff could bring some examples of what this looks like that would help that would help me um

[4:20:57] Voice 12: and i

[4:20:58] Trustee Patrick: think i'm hearing i think they've got some better ideas of what they they want to prepare so i'd

[4:21:03] Trustee Patrick: rather they bring and say this is you know whatever town this is this is kind of what

[4:21:08] Trustee Patrick: we're doing minus this or plus that so that we can see what this could look like okay uh

[4:21:15] Voice 5: chair

[4:21:15] Voice 15: um i should have included some examples we did um with lady smith uh

[4:21:24] Voice 15: Saanich, there's some area plan example that we did provide

[4:21:28] Voice 15: earlier on two years ago.

[4:21:30] Voice 15: I didn't think of including them,

[4:21:34] Voice 15: but is that something you would like to see,

[4:21:37] Voice 15: what an area plan looks like?

[4:21:39] Trustee Patrick: I think it would help to see what you think is a good,

[4:21:43] Trustee Patrick: what's in your mind of what an example,

[4:21:46] Trustee Patrick: because I go out and steal, beg and borrow from everybody.

[4:21:49] Trustee Patrick: I've seen all of them too, and there are a wide range.

[4:21:52] Trustee Patrick: And that's why I think it would be nice

[4:21:54] Trustee Patrick: a kind of an idea of what one you were thinking of because you're going to be the ones writing

[4:21:58] Trustee Patrick: the rfs and hiring the consultants and managing the consultants so i think if we had some examples

[4:22:04] Trustee Patrick: of what it looked like that would give us more confidence of what what are we approving

[4:22:08] Voice 15: so chair

[4:22:09] Voice 15: um i think what i will suggest if that's going to be okay is to email uh the trustees the examples

[4:22:18] Voice 15: examples and then we can follow up with April 28th when we meet again if that's okay again

[4:22:25] Voice 15: but just at

[4:22:28] Voice 15: least you have some example and you would know you get a chance to read it before we

[4:22:32] Voice 15: talk about it and the other comment I want to make is that in my past experience doing

[4:22:39] Voice 15: area plan and master plan it sounded like trustee Patrick is thinking about master plan which I

[4:22:45] Voice 15: worked on a lot with engineers um they're very specific and for example wastewater master plan

[4:22:53] Voice 15: of um emergency master plan so they're very technical very specific which is not doable

[4:22:59] Voice 15: for us because we don't have those staff and i think that's why mr hudson is referring to

[4:23:07] Voice 15: high-level aspiration because that's what we do i think once you get to see the examples you'll

[4:23:14] Voice 15: get an idea when we say aspiration they're still important because they actually translate all the

[4:23:20] Voice 15: public comments that we took and we've developed policies you know if community constantly comment

[4:23:28] Voice 15: on you know we need um a more walkable community for example we will have policies that support

[4:23:38] Voice 15: those as a variation. So anyway, that's kind of my suggestion is if you're okay with it,

[4:23:47] Voice 15: I'm happy to send you some examples so that you can look at it. So next time when we need,

[4:23:53] Voice 15: because some of them are like 54 pages, I don't want to put it in an LTC package. There's just

[4:24:01] Voice 15: a lot for you to read. So I would like to send it to you in advance so you can take a look at it

[4:24:05] Voice 15: When we have discussion, maybe we can bring that back in.

[4:24:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): Sounds great.

[4:24:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): Do you have something we're going to say?

[4:24:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): I think it's just, you know,

[4:24:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): one of Garbo's suggestions there,

[4:24:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): if there's a desire to defer,

[4:24:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): it may be best to defer this to,

[4:24:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): I know that we wanted to workshop the OCP project

[4:24:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): a bit with you on April 28th.

[4:24:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): Yeah.

[4:24:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): This may be another opportunity to discuss that

[4:24:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): on that special date.

[4:24:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): just to kind of dig into this a little bit more think about fashion okay thank you for that um

[4:24:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): sorry for us no

[4:24:49] Voice 4: um

[4:24:51] Voice 5: so trustees then

[4:24:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): does that sound like a reasonable approach should

[4:24:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): to defer at this point yeah i

[4:24:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): think get that it sounds like planter garber will uh send us some

[4:25:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): materials to look at i

[4:25:05] Trustee Patrick: want to be on the same page and know that we're

[4:25:07] Trustee Patrick: go in a direction that

[4:25:09] Trustee Patrick: is kind of

[4:25:11] Trustee Patrick: improve situations, not

[4:25:14] Trustee Patrick: leave it status

[4:25:16] Trustee Patrick: quo, which I'm

[4:25:18] Trustee Patrick: concerned about. We're going to have tumbleweeds

[4:25:20] Trustee Patrick: coming down the streets

[4:25:22] Trustee Patrick: of Ganges at the rate it's

[4:25:24] Trustee Patrick: deteriorating.

[4:25:25] Trustee Patrick: I want to be participating

[4:25:28] Trustee Patrick: in a future

[4:25:30] Trustee Patrick: that is possible

[4:25:31] Trustee Patrick: sooner than later.

[4:25:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay.

[4:25:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay. Do we need a motion to defer then?

[4:25:40] Trustee Peterson (probable): Can we get a motion to defer this item to the next meeting?

[4:25:51] Sure.

[4:25:52] We defer file number 6,500.

[4:25:56] Voice 6: Does that make sense?

[4:25:57] Voice 6: I move that we defer file number 6,500,

[4:26:12] Voice 6: Ganges Village Planning staff report until the

[4:26:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): next meeting.

[4:26:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay, so moved, second, all in favor?

[4:26:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay, it's deferred.

[4:26:27] Trustee Peterson (probable): I suggest we take a short break

[4:26:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): and then come back to the new business and the reports.

[4:26:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): So let's recess until,

[4:26:40] Voice 5: let's go 10 minutes.

[4:26:44] Voice 5: Let's go recess until 2.50.

[4:26:46] Voice 5: In

[4:26:56] Voice 4: the stretch, it's there.

[4:35:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): housing accelerator fund that's the first one we're going to get back to uh oh right yeah 15.1

[4:35:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): oh okay oh i see that's under 14.2 okay all right so then uh 14

[4:36:07] Voice 15: .3 okay

[4:36:16] Voice 15: okay

[4:36:16] Voice 5: right so we have the um

[4:36:22] Voice 15: yeah

[4:36:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): yeah so we were i did i did make a note of that um so i was 14.3 then the uh staff has

[4:36:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): report back on the icing situation uh we did sort of discuss some things in another session there

[4:36:49] Trustee Peterson (probable): but uh oh anything further you want to report at this time we filed the impasse so we filed

[4:37:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): than i said last week and um as far as that goes we don't have any clarity on on their response um

[4:37:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): i know one thing we did discuss was that um when we hear back from them that that we could get

[4:37:23] Trustee Peterson (probable): maybe get some reporting out uh both to trustees and and the public as well

[4:37:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): well

[4:37:35] Voice 12: that's what seemed

[4:37:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): reasonable mr

[4:37:38] Voice 12: clark was asking this morning was that if we hear anything

[4:37:40] Voice 12: thing that we let them know as quickly as we can

[4:37:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): request

[4:37:44] Trustee Patrick: um

[4:37:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): did you want a direction specific

[4:37:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): direction on that or can we

[4:37:51] Voice 5: just take that as

[4:37:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): yeah we'll take it as um it'll work to come back as

[4:37:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): correspondence regardless um i will include this correspondent okay and then and then kitty met

[4:38:01] Trustee Peterson (probable): out to yes i

[4:38:02] Trustee Patrick: did have one more question back um uh during our lunch break i know i was speaking

[4:38:07] Trustee Patrick: the plan or garbo she was do you need direction if there's any other grant funds that come available

[4:38:15] Trustee Patrick: for like first nations consultation or anything else do would you need us to tell you to go get

[4:38:21] Trustee Patrick: that or would you just come and tell us hey a grant fund became available do you want us to

[4:38:25] Trustee Patrick: go get it

[4:38:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): yeah we um well we were aware that um c2c funding um was announced recently by ubcm

[4:38:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): And it really does seem like the way we're managing grants here at Island's Trust, we kind of need to already be doing that, get funding because there's so many LPAs that are so active in pursuing it.

[4:38:46] Trustee Peterson (probable): So the more we're pursuing community dialogue and putting ourselves out there for this project, I think the more likely we are to get grant funding to supplement our budget.

[4:38:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): it's kind of what i'm what i'm encountering that that being aside from the recent provincial

[4:39:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): protocols funding which um um salt spring will be looking at how can we better engage how can we

[4:39:13] Trustee Peterson (probable): you know make sure that our the interests of the community are um working to align with those

[4:39:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): would

[4:39:20] Trustee Patrick: that make us i mean i already sent an email to chair luckham yesterday saying

[4:39:23] Trustee Patrick: for that 150 000 that was announced in the province that salt spring better be top of

[4:39:27] Trustee Patrick: list for protocol development would it be to our benefit to have a resolution saying please

[4:39:33] Trustee Patrick: consider salt springs needs in the uh protocol development area or you know or is that just gonna

[4:39:44] Trustee Patrick: or should we just individually all be uh sending emails to mature luck i'm telling you we want to

[4:39:50] Trustee Patrick: be top of the list if

[4:39:52] Voice 2: i may it's quite new to me so um the conversation

[4:39:55] Trustee Peterson (probable): you know the management

[4:39:56] Trustee Peterson (probable): the table you know certainly my message there um and i'm not too sure if chair peters may have

[4:40:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): other comments from the executive position how that how that might be um yeah in terms of the

[4:40:10] Trustee Peterson (probable): executive uh meeting yesterday um it was just discussed that that that those funds are are

[4:40:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): coming um there hasn't been discussion on on uh how that might be allocated at this point

[4:40:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh certainly uh concern was uh expressed that a first come first serve model is probably not

[4:40:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): appropriate um i was just looking from i know there was a we had a resolution i believe in the

[4:40:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): in the minutes of the last meeting um about uh working on failing to find it of course

[4:40:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh working towards um i believe it that the language was interim protocols uh with first

[4:41:03] Trustee Peterson (probable): nations um that's true

[4:41:06] Trustee Patrick: you can just point to

[4:41:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): that one can we point to that resolution as uh

[4:41:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): as a basis for for uh communication with executive committee um i think bad idea um it would be you

[4:41:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): know it's reasonable to forward that and advise possibly to the board that resolution this is

[4:41:31] Trustee Peterson (probable): coming to us very soon uh would you like a resolution to that effect then

[4:41:41] Trustee Patrick: no i think it's just or

[4:41:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): can you just go ahead forward just forward that to the executive

[4:41:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): committee is i would i would do it forwarded to the executive like it may be best to have

[4:41:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): a resolution um requesting that staff forward it to the executive committee it would be really on

[4:41:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh i respectfully i think it may be coming from the chair um to forward it to the executive to

[4:42:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): advise them that um this is work that we have ongoing um better communication which is a

[4:42:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): substantial project

[4:42:20] Voice 4: okay i'm just trying to find that resolution that we passed so i could reference

[4:42:34] Voice 4: it's the number but uh that previous one yeah

[4:42:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): the previous resolution

[4:42:44] Voice 4: two meetings ago okay

[4:42:52] Voice 4: that's maybe why i'm not finding it in the next reason february to

[4:42:59] Voice 5: the february resolution um

[4:43:06] Voice 5: so how about uh

[4:43:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): i moved that staff board the resolution regarding first nations uh

[4:43:16] Trustee Peterson (probable): protocols from the february 2023 meeting to the executive committee staff

[4:43:24] Trustee Peterson (probable): oh i moved that stuff forward the resolution sure first

[4:43:34] Voice 16: nations internal protocol agreements

[4:43:38] Voice 4: yes he didn't say determine that the resolution is on page 123 of the agenda

[4:43:46] Voice 6: package oh it is okay

[4:43:48] Voice 6: from our follow-up action list ah

[4:43:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): that's where i saw it

[4:43:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): it does not have the resolution

[4:43:55] Voice 7: you know

[4:43:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): it's explorer options i

[4:43:59] Voice 7: just wanted to find a quick

[4:44:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): the version of it but

[4:44:03] Voice 5: that is that that that is where i thought i saw it in this agenda package

[4:44:06] Voice 5: thank you uh mr bingle so

[4:44:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): you can find the resolution number fill that in later for us

[4:44:17] Trustee Peterson (probable): um okay so i'm gonna move that ltc request staff to forward that resolution to the executive

[4:44:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): committee and look for a seconder a seconded of any discussion go ahead and call the question

[4:44:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): all in favor and that resolution carries thank you so anything uh further we wanted to do on that

[4:44:48] Trustee Peterson (probable): no okay then i think we're on to the housing accelerator fund discussion yeah

[4:44:57] Trustee Patrick: i raised that

[4:44:57] Trustee Patrick: i've had um

[4:44:59] Voice 12: um one

[4:45:05] Trustee Patrick: is a bit frustrating because our original working group on housing first asked

[4:45:09] Trustee Patrick: that we have a housing action plan developed that's still what the housing action program

[4:45:13] Trustee Patrick: was supposed to be developing as a housing action plan there is this funding opportunity right now

[4:45:20] Trustee Patrick: it's funny that salt spring falls under the large urban category for canadian areas over

[4:45:28] Trustee Patrick: population of ten thousand so um uh which is it's kind of shocking to see those words but

[4:45:36] Trustee Patrick: you think small rural northern indigenous would be more in our line but it's not um

[4:45:42] Trustee Patrick: Um, I think, you know, I, the deadline's coming up rapidly, but there's a lot of organizations,

[4:45:52] Trustee Patrick: partners in the community that, you know, I think we have elements of it. If we wanted to look at,

[4:45:59] Trustee Patrick: um, trying to get some funding for the housing action planning that we need to do. Um,

[4:46:06] Trustee Patrick: other trustees have all pointed out Salt Spring should be running for this money. And, um, so I,

[4:46:12] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if we, I'm not going to say we should go write the grant and go for it,

[4:46:18] Trustee Patrick: but I do know there are partners on the island, even CRD.

[4:46:21] Voice 9: I mean,

[4:46:22] Trustee Patrick: Gary was like, here, send an email on this one.

[4:46:25] Trustee Patrick: So I think the CRD is thinking of it too.

[4:46:29] Trustee Patrick: But I think we should look at this fund opportunity and see if there is a fit

[4:46:34] Trustee Patrick: or a place for us to be a partner in it.

[4:46:37] Trustee Patrick: um so i mean the wording i was i was either going to ask staff just request staff to

[4:46:43] Trustee Patrick: to you know pursue options uh um to apply for this fund um with you know other island partner

[4:46:52] Trustee Patrick: organizations um but i but if i don't know if you've looked at it or anyone's considered it at

[4:47:03] Trustee Patrick: all yeah

[4:47:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): well we have and there are pieces of it they're one of the biggest pieces we have

[4:47:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): is that we do have a housing action plan more or less um we do have a something that has been

[4:47:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): deliverable upon the housing action program task force um that that more or less can constitute

[4:47:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): the plan um as you note um the uh our competition is some of the largest communities involved by

[4:47:29] Trustee Peterson (probable): a lot of communities in the country um that are you know facing you know exponentially higher

[4:47:36] Trustee Peterson (probable): We may be in a very competitive position for that grant.

[4:47:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): I'm going to maybe be the doctor know first.

[4:47:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): The other aspect of it is that we have a very full board program and we're short of staff.

[4:47:53] Trustee Peterson (probable): Partnership is probably the only way that we would be able to do it.

[4:47:57] Trustee Peterson (probable): We're practically relying on other partners.

[4:48:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): partners. However, as a land use authority, the delivery on this really does fall to the

[4:48:06] Trustee Peterson (probable): Island Trust. So it puts us in a really challenging situation, given all those factors in the

[4:48:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): timeline. The City of Toronto probably has a grant writing department that's on this

[4:48:18] Trustee Peterson (probable): already and working on it for a month already.

[4:48:20] Trustee Patrick: Oh, no, I know we're in the shortfall, but we are a microcosm. BC is taking 100,000

[4:48:30] Trustee Patrick: immigrants um salt spring has multiple ukrainian immigrants here and working for island businesses

[4:48:38] Trustee Patrick: you don't want to know where they're living um but you know we we are seeing the same problems

[4:48:45] Trustee Patrick: in the urban areas only you know scaled down to salt spring size so um you know i i would only

[4:48:51] Trustee Patrick: expect us to work with partners if that was there and i think i don't i don't know where others are

[4:48:57] Trustee Patrick: around i know if they're ready or not so i just think we should look at it and make sure we've

[4:49:03] Trustee Patrick: looked at it i can understand passing on it as well i'm not saying go

[4:49:07] Trustee Peterson (probable): do it and this was um i

[4:49:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): wasn't able to attend but um one of the island planners was able to attend and um this was kind

[4:49:15] Trustee Peterson (probable): of the assessment that they came out came back with um that that was actually from the south

[4:49:20] Trustee Peterson (probable): office and mentioned you know south spring is probably worse off in the community because we're

[4:49:25] Trustee Peterson (probable): we've break that 10,000 threshold.

[4:49:28] Trustee Peterson (probable): So now it's just kind of unfortunately a little bit worse

[4:49:32] Trustee Peterson (probable): off

[4:49:32] Voice 6: other

[4:49:33] Trustee Peterson (probable): Island areas.

[4:49:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): So this is gonna be the challenge that we'll have with it.

[4:49:39] Trustee Peterson (probable): We can explore it further.

[4:49:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): Certainly do a bit of a brief on it.

[4:49:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): It may be a really good platform for talking about

[4:49:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): housing is another aspect that we wanna talk to you all

[4:49:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): about it.

[4:49:51] Trustee Peterson (probable): So certainly incorporate this discussion

[4:49:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): in terms of what resources we have it's probably a platform to have a discussion and

[4:49:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): possibly investigate whether or not that's viable or not yeah

[4:50:02] Trustee Patrick: because i know

[4:50:03] Trustee Patrick: najma that was here earlier that was talking about some other partnering organization on salt

[4:50:08] Trustee Patrick: spring too that you know so i think and through your housing council or others that are that are

[4:50:15] Trustee Patrick: talking to all the partners on the island it would be a first stop to go find out who's

[4:50:21] Trustee Patrick: who thinks there's so

[4:50:25] Voice 12: you want me to

[4:50:26] Trustee Patrick: make this general motion does this sound okay

[4:50:29] Trustee Patrick: i'm just asking you to just look it up now just pursue options if with partner

[4:50:35] Trustee Patrick: partners options to apply you could say one of the options is not applied

[4:50:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): it's it's an option

[4:50:44] Trustee Peterson (probable): like the the next conversation about this would be right

[4:50:47] Trustee Peterson (probable): right um so i'm not too sure what the motion would be in terms of well i mean you're certainly

[4:50:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): welcome to make your motion i

[4:50:56] Trustee Patrick: was going to say i request staff to pursue options to apply for

[4:51:03] Trustee Patrick: the housing accelerator fund um

[4:51:05] Voice 12: with

[4:51:07] Trustee Patrick: other

[4:51:10] Voice 12: island you know partner organizations something big

[4:51:17] Voice 12: um are

[4:51:22] Voice 5: you making that a motion does that make sense let's

[4:51:27] Voice 15: change pursuit to look into sure

[4:51:32] Voice 5: okay so we'll take that as moved and uh second second that uh

[4:51:41] Trustee Peterson (probable): any further discussion sure maybe

[4:51:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): a little bit um is

[4:51:53] Voice 4: it that difficult to just apply for the grant you

[4:51:59] Trustee Patrick: have to have a you have to have

[4:52:01] Trustee Patrick: of goal of a certain percentage of units for us it's like one 1

[4:52:06] Trustee Patrick: .1 percent increase in housing

[4:52:09] Trustee Patrick: units it's a pretty tiny number but and you have to have actions seven actions um okay so

[4:52:15] Voice 12: some of it exists

[4:52:17] Trustee Patrick: um i think yeah it

[4:52:19] Trustee Patrick: could be i mean i've had people send me an email like laura

[4:52:21] Trustee Patrick: just write it and send it in um but um but i do know nejma was talking excited about something

[4:52:28] Trustee Patrick: and partners that were they had a housing council meeting yesterday i was not able to go to so i

[4:52:33] Trustee Patrick: don't know what was discussed yesterday thousand it's

[4:52:35] Trustee Peterson (probable): easy enough to apply for a grant but to

[4:52:37] Trustee Peterson (probable): succeed a grant and then have something that we can actually execute and deliver on and get funding

[4:52:42] Trustee Peterson (probable): for is requires some consideration and commitment so yeah simply managing workload um but if it's

[4:52:54] Trustee Peterson (probable): the vote thank you okay uh well in that case i'll go ahead and call the question all those in favor

[4:53:04] Voice 5: and that carries um so that's it for new business then uh

[4:53:11] Trustee Peterson (probable): we're into the report section under

[4:53:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): section 16 for the policy and standing resolutions pay list at page 269 anything on that no and

[4:53:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): And future projects report at page 280.

[4:53:30] Trustee Peterson (probable): Something we'll be talking about the next time we get together.

[4:53:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): Our active projects list is at page 283.

[4:53:38] Trustee Peterson (probable): Anything update on that? No.

[4:53:45] Trustee Peterson (probable): Applications report

[4:53:46] Voice 5: at 288.

[4:53:48] Voice 5: Trustee Patrick.

[4:53:49] Voice 12: I have a question on the

[4:53:52] Trustee Patrick: Windsor plywood application.

[4:53:56] Trustee Patrick: application on how that works. I know that's, that's a that's a

[4:54:05] Trustee Patrick: big one. But

[4:54:09] Trustee Peterson (probable): an update in a week or so. But my understanding last update I

[4:54:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): had, we did receive it. I can provide a very timely response

[4:54:19] Trustee Peterson (probable): on it. And we haven't there was some additional material

[4:54:21] Trustee Peterson (probable): required. And that hasn't been provided.

[4:54:26] Trustee Peterson (probable): We have received that information.

[4:54:38] Trustee Patrick: because i just i know they're racing the clock on trying to get that under construction to get

[4:54:42] Trustee Patrick: their people out of the tents this winter they won't have not only housing for staff but they

[4:54:47] Trustee Patrick: won't have staff because they don't want to work in tents anymore enough

[4:54:50] Voice 5: okay was there anything

[4:54:52] Voice 5: else on the applications report uh we've got the expense report it pitched

[4:54:58] Trustee Peterson (probable): uh 302 anything there

[4:55:02] Trustee Peterson (probable): no Island Trust Conservancy report, no SWPA report.

[4:55:08] Trustee Patrick: Sorry?

[4:55:08] Trustee Peterson (probable): I

[4:55:09] Trustee Patrick: had a question.

[4:55:09] Trustee Patrick: Can I ask a question on SWPA?

[4:55:12] Trustee Patrick: Is there, I know that staff said they were working

[4:55:16] Trustee Patrick: on a work there.

[4:55:17] Trustee Patrick: One, we expected the strategic plan by the end of March.

[4:55:24] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if that has happened.

[4:55:26] Trustee Patrick: And I know staff were giving a work plan

[4:55:29] Trustee Patrick: and I don't think there's an estimated time

[4:55:31] Trustee Patrick: as to when we may see the-

[4:55:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): We are still finalizing the contract for our contractor,

[4:55:42] Trustee Patrick: and then we'll be finalizing all of that work.

[4:55:45] Trustee Patrick: But did the strategic plan get in by the end of March to staff, at least?

[4:55:50] Trustee Peterson (probable): No, we did receive it.

[4:55:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay.

[4:55:52] Trustee Patrick: We

[4:55:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): did receive it at the end of the 11th, I think.

[4:55:57] Trustee Patrick: I'm just anxious to see it.

[4:55:59] Trustee Peterson (probable): Yeah, it is our intention to bring that forward.

[4:56:04] Trustee Peterson (probable): And the question is, is that going to go to the

[4:56:07] Voice 4: LPC?

[4:56:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): of procedure yeah thank you for that uh sort of regular meeting is scheduled for 9 30 on may 18th

[4:56:22] Trustee Peterson (probable): here um note that we have a an evening session planned on may 17th through 5 p.m bullford hall

[4:56:34] Trustee Peterson (probable): and of course we've got our strategic planning session uh on the 28th here

[4:56:43] Trustee Peterson (probable): 1pm. So that is when we will next see each other in this room. A couple of weeks.

[4:56:52] Trustee Peterson (probable): Clarification on location. Okay. For the April 28th meeting, we will be meeting in the CRD

[4:57:00] Trustee Peterson (probable): building

[4:57:00] Voice 6: known as Simms.

[4:57:03] Voice 5: Okay. This

[4:57:04] Voice 6: room was not available. So we'll be close. To get here,

[4:57:08] Voice 6: there'll be signs to help you get there. Okay. Excellent.

[4:57:12] Trustee Peterson (probable): Okay. Thank you for that.

[4:57:14] Trustee Peterson (probable): clarification um so then we'll call for

[4:57:18] Voice 5: adjournment all in favor aye aye aye okay

[4:57:24] Voice 5: thank you everyone thank you trustees and thank you staff for your illegitimate assistance