Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 28, 2023

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[0:02:50] Voice 8: the staff you're invited to remain.

[0:02:53] Voice 8: So moved, seconded, any further discussion?

[0:02:56] Voice 8: All those in favor?

[0:02:58] Voice 8: Motion carried.

[0:02:59] Voice 8: And we will now go into a closed session.

[0:03:10] Voice 11: Lindo?

[0:03:12] Voice 11: Yeah, Lindo, thank you.

[0:03:14] Voice 11: I will just say that

[0:03:16] Voice 2: I have had some comments

[0:03:16] Voice 2: from staff watching.

[0:03:18] Voice 9: It is, the sound is very, very bad here, so I would just suggest you point your mouth at the TV and wake it up straight up and okay.

[0:03:29] Voice 9: Okay, thanks for that.

[0:03:32] Voice 11: Who else is listening in?

[0:03:35] Voice 11: I think so.

[0:03:38] Voice 11: Hello Stefan.

[0:03:40] Voice 11: We only have one person live streaming.

[0:03:46] Voice 8: so maybe yeah okay so that brings us to section four which is the business of today's strategic

[0:03:55] Voice 8: directions and work program review trusting workshop so here's where we're going to take

[0:04:02] Voice 8: a bit of time and then step priorities for our next steps uh

[0:04:09] Voice 9: the short medium and somewhat longer

[0:04:12] Voice 9: terms great so mr chair we do have a bit of a workshop to run you through and some powerpoint

[0:04:17] Voice 9: uh information to take you through so um if you don't mind i'll um i'll sort of kick us off here

[0:04:24] Voice 11: um we'll just get that up and running so and i will um i'll do my best to sort of balance between

[0:04:35] Voice 9: the two here so um anyways but but yeah this is this is sort of following on a january 26

[0:04:40] Voice 9: six conversation that we had um where we had a bit of a broader conversation about uh what you'd

[0:04:47] Voice 9: all like to achieve this term um so uh we've got some impressions about what we heard um at that

[0:04:54] Voice 9: meeting um so we're going to take you a little bit through current work plan and then talk about

[0:04:58] Voice 9: housing agriculture the first nations relationship operational improvements and then we're going to

[0:05:02] Voice 9: talk a little bit about some of that work planning um the small action list active projects um and

[0:05:08] Voice 9: And so we'll just kind of work our way through that as we go.

[0:05:13] Voice 9: Go ahead.

[0:05:14] Voice 2: So first I just want to take you through these three areas

[0:05:18] Voice 2: and some of the

[0:05:18] Voice 9: key priority areas that we took away

[0:05:22] Voice 9: from that January 26th conversation is like I said,

[0:05:24] Voice 9: we'll just go into the work plan review.

[0:05:26] Voice 9: Next slide, please.

[0:05:31] Voice 9: Okay, so the priority we heard was there was a desire

[0:05:34] Voice 9: to improve housing affordability.

[0:05:37] Voice 9: That's pretty much a function of availability at this point

[0:05:39] Voice 9: and how we regulate housing.

[0:05:43] Voice 9: There seemed to be a lot of conversation.

[0:05:44] Voice 9: I'm a bit surprised by this,

[0:05:45] Voice 9: that you talked a lot about agriculture, ALR boundaries.

[0:05:49] Voice 9: So there seemed to be an interest in that.

[0:05:52] Voice 9: We talked a little bit about First Nations relationships

[0:05:54] Voice 9: and the importance of that.

[0:05:56] Voice 9: And then we just wanted to add on conversations

[0:05:59] Voice 9: about operational service.

[0:06:01] Voice 9: This really is about how we at the LTC staff level,

[0:06:05] Voice 9: you know, how we do our service,

[0:06:08] Voice 9: how we can improve our administration.

[0:06:10] Voice 9: So we'll just be thinking through that.

[0:06:13] Voice 9: So the next slide there.

[0:06:14] Voice 9: So I just wanted to check in with you.

[0:06:17] Voice 9: Are those kind of the right topics

[0:06:18] Voice 9: that we took away from that?

[0:06:20] Voice 9: From that meeting.

[0:06:22] Voice 7: So that was certainly a dip in the bucket.

[0:06:26] Voice 7: So we hadn't even begun to have any conversations.

[0:06:28] Voice 7: So that was what this is meant to be a follow-up

[0:06:32] Voice 7: because that was a two-hour Zoom meeting.

[0:06:34] Voice 7: That was-

[0:06:34] Voice 11: Can we go back one page, please?

[0:06:37] Voice 11: That was just a- Thank you.

[0:06:40] Voice 11: Well, lots of things could be clearly put under the first heading,

[0:06:44] Voice 9: and the agricultural planning could be actually melted into that as well, if we're talking about removing, trying

[0:06:53] Voice 11: to get some part of the ALR

[0:06:58] Voice 10: land and Ganges, or what we consider to be Ganges, out of the ALR partially in order to go

[0:07:07] Voice 11: back to number one, to improve housing portability.

[0:07:10] Voice 11: uh basically and then also as we've been talking about we need to delineate what is

[0:07:22] Voice 10: gangenese in that and why well that's going to move on to one and two basically

[0:07:27] Voice 10: yeah

[0:07:28] Voice 7: i mean agricultural conversation was a little bit broader in that our expectation of success

[0:07:35] Voice 7: in excluding some land is including land it's a no net loss approach so we have

[0:07:45] Voice 7: land on the island that is being farmed that is not on the ALR. And we've got ALR that's never

[0:07:52] Voice 7: going to be farmed. So the idea was to do some horse trading, so to speak, to in particular

[0:08:03] Voice 7: loosen up some land that's boxing in Ganges as it needs to adjust and move as sea levels rising.

[0:08:13] Voice 7: so it was sort of that broader broader look in on that though there's been a there's been a

[0:08:20] Voice 7: increasing attention on salt spring about um agricultural land and food security going

[0:08:30] Voice 7: forward that you know we still have a trend of seeing estate homes taking over our farmland

[0:08:38] Voice 7: land um

[0:08:39] Voice 11: and some of that that's not just

[0:08:46] Voice 7: salt spring that's that could be a more global issue

[0:08:49] Voice 7: i was a bowen at the economic forum this week was talking about you know they they know they've got

[0:08:54] Voice 7: enough agricultural land of bone to feed the island into the future theoretically you know

[0:09:00] Voice 7: theoretical land to supply the population that lives there into quite a long distance um and

[0:09:06] Voice 7: And they've got a very detailed program as they move forward

[0:09:09] Voice 7: to try to increase their food production.

[0:09:12] Voice 7: They've got a big plan that they're working on in Bowen.

[0:09:14] Voice 7: So there's something to look at what Bowen's doing.

[0:09:18] Voice 7: And I know there's a lot of community interest

[0:09:22] Voice 7: in what tools there are to keep the value

[0:09:26] Voice 7: on the agricultural land rather than a state-only,

[0:09:31] Voice 7: you know, what are our options to reduce

[0:09:36] Voice 7: to reduce that loss effect yeah yeah because that just isn't um um it's it's happening on a you know

[0:09:44] Voice 7: increasing scale not decreasing scale okay

[0:09:47] Voice 9: well i just i mean mr chair i think from that

[0:09:50] Voice 9: conversation i'm definitely hearing that the agriculture conversation i think planner buck

[0:09:53] Voice 9: and it's um we'll we'll have a good um set of questions for you when we get to that

[0:09:58] Voice 9: discussion are there any topics that you feel should be added or removed from this list

[0:10:03] Voice 9: from

[0:10:04] Voice 7: january 26 i think that was about all we got done in two hours and then in terms of

[0:10:10] Voice 9: mr chair the generalist yes sir we could can we

[0:10:15] Voice 10: add um well

[0:10:17] Voice 7: i think we're going to add more i

[0:10:18] Voice 7: think all i've asked before is this is what we talked about on january 26th

[0:10:22] Voice 9: we just asked

[0:10:22] Voice 9: check in here but i i recognize you know we put together some workshops around this so we can go

[0:10:29] Voice 9: through that we can certainly talk a lot more at the end i'm just cognizant of the fact that we do

[0:10:32] we do

[0:10:32] Voice 9: have about an hour and 45 minutes or maybe space.

[0:10:36] Voice 2: So

[0:10:36] Voice 9: I think we want to get through it,

[0:10:37] Voice 9: get through the discussion and identify,

[0:10:40] Voice 9: and maybe Chris, if

[0:10:42] Voice 2: you skip ahead two slides,

[0:10:43] Voice 2: just kind of run through the process really quickly,

[0:10:46] Voice 2: how we'd like to do this with these topics.

[0:10:49] Voice 9: And we just want to clarify some of the themes

[0:10:52] Voice 9: of what we heard,

[0:10:53] Voice 9: providing a bit of information background

[0:10:55] Voice 9: of what sort of exists,

[0:10:57] Voice 9: the resources available to the trust today,

[0:10:59] Voice 9: then just sort of talk a little bit about,

[0:11:01] Voice 9: This is more of a discussion of reflection on what do these topics mean to you, and then getting into sort of some possible short-term and longer-term actions.

[0:11:13] Voice 9: And none of this is commitment-based.

[0:11:15] Voice 9: This is really just finding areas of agreement that we can come back to you with and say, here's what we're hearing.

[0:11:22] Voice 9: This is what it might look like for some possible action as we go forward.

[0:11:26] Voice 7: So then do you want to know what was missing off that list?

[0:11:29] Voice 7: Pardon me?

[0:11:30] Voice 7: do you want to know what was missing on that list or we can go back to that?

[0:11:34] Voice 7: Those three things are what we talked about on the 26th. There's things missing from that

[0:11:39] Voice 7: list. Did you want to know that now? If

[0:11:41] Voice 9: there's stuff that we can go through it broadly,

[0:11:44] Voice 9: I would like for us to get to. No, I understand.

[0:11:46] Voice 7: Do

[0:11:47] Voice 9: you really want to get through that?

[0:11:48] Voice 7: Well, it's always evolving of what

[0:11:51] Voice 7: what happens but I think like the BC Ferries bringing up that they are changing their

[0:12:01] Voice 7: planning and kind of alignment with what we asked them to in the letter that we sent about

[0:12:05] Voice 7: tying community planning and ferries together so I think that's

[0:12:13] Voice 7: that's something that we don't we got a response on that no but it came up in the

[0:12:19] Voice 7: the ferry advisory committee this is on on monday okay and one of the staff uh at bc

[0:12:27] Voice 7: ferries had read the letter and and actually appreciated the fact that he pointed out that

[0:12:32] Voice 7: planning and ferries uh the more i think of it actually ferry advisory committee

[0:12:37] Voice 7: and salt springs actually probably the biggest community that's in it shouldn't be in that

[0:12:42] Voice 7: process probably anymore

[0:12:43] Voice 3: you know

[0:12:44] Voice 7: it's uh it's intended for small routes right we aren't a small

[0:12:49] Voice 7: route anymore encouraging

[0:12:50] Voice 9: that the staff member like read

[0:12:54] Voice 9: the letter and responded positively

[0:12:55] Voice 9: that's no

[0:12:56] Voice 7: they thanked thanked us for it

[0:12:57] Voice 7: so um but they also said the ceo is directing new

[0:13:03] Voice 7: approaches toward planning so there's some you know potential change on the horizon coming so

[0:13:10] Voice 7: but so anyway so i raised that as uh um it's it's potentially planning projects potential

[0:13:18] Voice 7: potential. That's all.

[0:13:19] Voice 9: We have heard back

[0:13:21] Voice 9: from BC Ferries. They did reach out to them.

[0:13:24] Voice 9: They do want to

[0:13:26] Voice 9: certainly express interest in being

[0:13:28] Voice 9: stakeholders in our planning

[0:13:30] Voice 9: processes and do

[0:13:32] Voice 9: have some option ideas for other ways that we can

[0:13:34] Voice 9: be engaged at the staff-to-staff level

[0:13:36] Voice 9: as well to have

[0:13:38] Voice 9: better alignment in our planning.

[0:13:40] Voice 9: Well, that's encouraging. Glad to hear that.

[0:13:42] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:13:44] Voice 7: We've got a major terminal expansion

[0:13:46] Voice 7: that is already in the works and we have

[0:13:48] Voice 7: and another one that should be in the works.

[0:13:50] Voice 7: That isn't.

[0:13:51] Voice 7: Well, it's Fulford that's-

[0:13:53] Voice 7: Fulford, that's the one that's not in the works.

[0:13:55] Voice 7: Oh, okay, what's in the works?

[0:13:56] Voice 7: The subiases.

[0:13:57] Voice 7: The subiases, okay.

[0:13:58] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:14:04] Voice 7: The other is short-term vacation rentals.

[0:14:07] Voice 7: Now we can probably say that's a subset

[0:14:08] Voice 7: of the OCP project and housing, if that

[0:14:14] Voice 11: makes sense.

[0:14:15] Voice 11: um there's also maybe it's minor work but the

[0:14:23] Voice 7: telecommunications maybe visiting instead of

[0:14:28] Voice 7: womping one project at a time that we have some sort of a different approach for

[0:14:34] Voice 7: telecommunications that's less less controversial and maybe

[0:14:39] Voice 11: more proactive

[0:14:43] Voice 11: Most of the key ones, I mean, Fulford itself, the Ganges that we're working on, but Fulford

[0:15:02] Voice 11: is another village that has needs

[0:15:08] Voice 7: to be dealt with sometimes.

[0:15:12] Voice 2: This is certainly something we've talked about in the

[0:15:14] Voice 9: context of transportation

[0:15:15] Voice 9: transportation plays a big role in official community plans.

[0:15:19] Voice 9: I know that Hunter Garbo has sort of outlined

[0:15:21] Voice 9: some of the requirements we need to consider

[0:15:23] Voice 9: looking at OCPs and, you know,

[0:15:25] Voice 9: recognizing that it's a targeted review,

[0:15:28] Voice 9: but how they can touch on so many things.

[0:15:30] Voice 9: It's going to be, we can certainly talk about

[0:15:32] Voice 9: what that looks like in terms of how do we,

[0:15:35] Voice 9: how do we consider growth in villages

[0:15:37] Voice 9: and then how do we consider our transportation networks?

[0:15:40] Voice 9: We've got some opportunities there under the OSMP as well.

[0:15:46] Voice 7: yeah then all right so i'll see the ocp when we get to it but also that would be in places where

[0:15:51] Voice 7: we talked about either the cca zones potentially having greater residential components to it

[0:15:58] Voice 7: okay

[0:15:59] Voice 2: so if we could just jump over was there

[0:16:05] Voice 9: anybody else that wanted to be going

[0:16:07] Voice 9: and i thought i'd say mr chair if you don't mind i i would ask for the privilege of just

[0:16:11] Voice 9: engaging directly with the trustees oh absolutely i'm taking this as a workshop okay so uh the whole

[0:16:17] Voice 9: i thought the whole idea was to be a little less formal anyway so before

[0:16:21] Voice 7: we get too far down this

[0:16:22] Voice 7: one this

[0:16:23] Voice 9: isn't a decision making point anyway right i've

[0:16:26] Voice 7: been on housing all week just so you

[0:16:28] Voice 7: know with the housing panel and housing action labs and housing everything this week i want to

[0:16:33] Voice 7: be very clear when i say housing i'm saying how i we i don't want to look at one piece

[0:16:41] Voice 7: of the pie it is we've got so many behaviors that are inequitable exclusionary and problematic

[0:16:51] Voice 7: um you know so it's correcting the the bad at the same time as

[0:16:56] Voice 8: improving

[0:16:57] Voice 7: the options that are

[0:16:59] Voice 7: missing that we need to look at housing in its entirety so that we have our community that

[0:17:06] Voice 7: that is being shaped into the future

[0:17:08] Voice 7: is being maintained diverse,

[0:17:12] Voice 7: that we're not just replaced by one class of people.

[0:17:18] Voice 7: So we have to look at it all because,

[0:17:23] Voice 7: after coming back from the housing summit,

[0:17:25] Voice 7: one of the trustees, Laura,

[0:17:27] Voice 7: when are you gonna start talking about the environment?

[0:17:29] Voice 7: I go, I am talking about the environment

[0:17:31] Voice 7: because it's where we build houses,

[0:17:33] Voice 7: what we do with housing, how we build housing.

[0:17:36] Voice 7: uh that's affecting the environment yeah

[0:17:40] Voice 10: we've been talking about the environment for decades

[0:17:43] Voice 10: we have been talking about housing why as i talked to you last week chris um about the

[0:17:50] Voice 10: added zoning um idea i talked to you as well before and i think we had we spoke about an

[0:17:58] Voice 10: added zoning to rural and i was proposing rural uplands but i know i've been getting some kickback

[0:18:06] Voice 10: for that maybe we have to come up with another zoning um to add this to the zoning would be

[0:18:12] Voice 10: strictly for the use of workforce ownership housing that's in the form of building strata

[0:18:18] Voice 10: projects to be controlled by a housing authority so we're not talking about added zoning

[0:18:26] Voice 10: densities for pre-market but for workforce ownership housing just and again to be controlled

[0:18:36] Voice 10: by how they so that is kind of is in line with what the white paper that we've been waiting for

[0:18:44] Voice 10: bated breath and we've been saying just wait for this white paper that's out that's basically that

[0:18:49] Voice 10: they need zoning in order to do that these projects these projects that they're wanting

[0:18:55] Voice 10: to happen we need zoning so clearly i guess we're going to have to amend the housing section of the

[0:19:01] Voice 10: LCP and add some

[0:19:02] Voice 11: zoning to initiate housing for everybody not just for religion like you're saying

[0:19:11] Voice 11: does that make any sense I

[0:19:14] Voice 2: think um quite frustrating I guess to hear like um you know

[0:19:19] Voice 2: so I think we've kind of got it right we we really want to address affordable housing for workers

[0:19:25] Voice 9: that's a bit of a and I'm hearing a bit of inclusion as well like it's not just about

[0:19:30] Voice 9: workers but um there's you know you need a lot of housing for a pretty large segment of the

[0:19:35] Voice 9: population that has trouble with access to housing and that goes from you know the most vulnerable

[0:19:39] Voice 9: all the way up to um people here that are working in you know perceivably good careers so um that's

[0:19:46] Voice 9: that's challenging um but we also heard a lot of us the sewer service water and sewer servicing

[0:19:52] Voice 9: um are concerned for that the barrier that we base a lot um on the islands and the new

[0:19:57] Voice 9: or infrastructure elements are a big concern.

[0:20:01] Voice 9: And then I think we kind of started off a little earlier about, you know,

[0:20:05] Voice 9: that agriculture and housing and how we balance those two on the island.

[0:20:11] Voice 9: That's something that we need to figure out.

[0:20:13] Voice 7: Well, it's agricultural housing.

[0:20:15] Voice 7: We had the Action Labs this week at the Royal Island Economic Partnership.

[0:20:19] Voice 7: The Agricultural Action Lab actually spent most of the time talking about housing,

[0:20:25] Voice 7: you know because they're not rural island agricultural practices require more

[0:20:33] Voice 7: workers people don't have machines we have human hands yeah so

[0:20:38] Voice 7: the ALR housing rules

[0:20:41] Voice 7: aren't really meeting the needs of rural islands rural farms yeah

[0:20:49] Voice 2: yeah okay so we this this session

[0:20:53] Voice 2: here is focusing a bit more on

[0:20:55] Voice 9: um on housing so we have we do have a lot of work going on at the

[0:20:59] Voice 9: trust level um we have the housing toolkit going on um we do have an housing action plan and i'm

[0:21:04] Voice 9: missing i think um i did have the triple s the salt spring solution housing report now um has

[0:21:10] Voice 9: come out um which is a you know it's a it's a great report and it really does validate i think

[0:21:15] Voice 9: a lot of what um we see at the islands trust and some of the issues we're seeing here as well so

[0:21:19] Voice 9: So, you know, I'm sort of still in the early review of that, but, you know, I know Planned

[0:21:24] Voice 9: Guard has been through it quite extensively and definitely starting to see some of the

[0:21:31] Voice 9: concerns outlined are really taken to heart, I think, in our office.

[0:21:35] Voice 9: That's what we've been working towards.

[0:21:37] Voice 9: Let me go to the next slide here.

[0:21:41] Voice 9: So from that, I mean, I think what we're really looking for here is like the role, and I'm

[0:21:45] Voice 9: definitely hearing a desire to act but um you know as an LTA um we have you know the LTA LTC staff

[0:21:52] Voice 9: and the Salt Spring office staff and we have the local trust committee here um how do you see your

[0:21:59] Voice 9: role as coordinators as advocates and as decision makers and we can sort of do this one by one if

[0:22:06] Voice 9: you like or or generally but um Chris is gonna take some uh some notes here and we'll

[0:22:15] Voice 11: and just go through it if you'd like let us know pop out for a century

[0:22:23] Voice 11: yeah i mean one thing that that i saw a lot of in that in

[0:22:30] Voice 9: that uh recent housing report is about

[0:22:34] Voice 9: it really kind of shines a light on where local trust committee crd

[0:22:41] Voice 8: needs to be working together

[0:22:43] Voice 8: together so um I guess what I'm trying to yeah but so it just really to me highlighted

[0:22:51] Voice 9: a number

[0:22:52] Voice 9: of areas that that coordination we have to do a better job coordinating with these other entities

[0:23:01] Voice 9: and ourself and I guess the the you know I mean did they say where um what period well yeah if

[0:23:08] Voice 9: you go through the report it has like little sections where it says

[0:23:11] Voice 8: you know

[0:23:12] Voice 9: who who kind

[0:23:14] Voice 9: of says who needs to do what and a lot of it is sometimes it's certain things like the land use

[0:23:21] Voice 9: planning is is on us right yes but things like the um uh the water and the the sewage part

[0:23:31] Voice 9: that has to be i mean that's crd but that's where we have to work together so there's no point us

[0:23:37] Voice 9: zoning something uh or you know do putting energy into work that the crd is not on the same

[0:23:43] Voice 9: page with us essentially but it just it's it's it's worth reading through it even if you just

[0:23:48] Voice 9: go to the highlights and sort of look at where it says you know here's where here's where these

[0:23:54] Voice 9: the agencies need that they've been you know a lot of trust crd has to work together to do this

[0:24:01] Voice 9: thus and such well

[0:24:02] Voice 7: this is there's a drawing that's all over on our websites it shows the

[0:24:06] Voice 7: It's trust policy statement, the OCP and the land use map.

[0:24:09] Voice 7: And it shows it like there's this linear box.

[0:24:11] Voice 7: And then we always have this conversation, what's in our jurisdiction?

[0:24:14] Voice 7: I say this drawing's wrong.

[0:24:18] Voice 7: That it should be, you know, the trust policy statement is only one of the inputs into the OCP.

[0:24:32] Voice 7: um you know if we've got to have all those other jurisdictions that do services and roads and

[0:24:40] Voice 7: and all these other things um yeah so it cannot exist with just one input from the trust policy

[0:24:50] Voice 7: because we can't do this without considering all these other inputs from all those other

[0:24:58] Voice 7: jurisdictions that you know so it's that that's why um you know so we we have no choice but to

[0:25:07] Voice 7: be coordinators and advocates and all of those things because like i said the the trust policy

[0:25:12] Voice 7: statement is only our process um that inputs what the ocp is but we can't do community planning

[0:25:20] Voice 7: without community input yeah from

[0:25:23] Voice 7: and we are by nature a siloed form of government

[0:25:29] Voice 7: so we have to be coordinators we have no choice yeah

[0:25:35] Voice 8: and it seems i mean i i guess maybe you guys

[0:25:40] Voice 9: could help me out there a little bit because i know there's these lcc elections coming up

[0:25:46] Voice 9: i know that um like my perception is that it's it's important for the local trust committee

[0:25:57] Voice 9: to to be working with the relevant parts of that like i know that it's not every bit of it is

[0:26:03] Voice 9: necessarily totally aligned with what we're doing but that's so so we've got director

[0:26:08] Voice 9: holman we've got the the new commissioners coming online um and that that we have to find ways

[0:26:16] Voice 9: so that we're working towards common goals

[0:26:20] Voice 9: between CRD, like the director, the LCC members

[0:26:24] Voice 9: and the local trust committee

[0:26:26] Voice 9: so that we're complimenting each other

[0:26:28] Voice 9: instead of, you know, butting heads

[0:26:31] Voice 9: or wasting energy, you know?

[0:26:33] Voice 9: So that's one of the things that occurs to me,

[0:26:36] Voice 9: especially because that group is about to be born.

[0:26:40] Voice 9: You know, the first elections are coming up.

[0:26:42] Voice 9: Like that seems like it's an opportunity

[0:26:45] Voice 9: for the local trust committee to really um to try and come to grips with with working better

[0:26:53] Voice 9: with the crd and the lcc part of things so well

[0:26:57] Voice 7: we were way ahead of you we passed a motion last

[0:26:59] Voice 7: august before even the election for lcc happened asking that we created a new protocol agreement

[0:27:05] Voice 7: and game plan so we were all ahead and ready for this election so we're not ready we don't have

[0:27:11] Voice 7: of that game rule and plan uh but you know because we do need to so it is new group yes we have to

[0:27:16] Voice 7: work together that's part of the drawing that

[0:27:18] Voice 7: we have they are service providers that will be

[0:27:20] Voice 7: inputters to our our official community plan so we have to coordinate we work with them and

[0:27:26] Voice 7: understand that we're together um and i don't you know there's some unknowns there right just off

[0:27:35] Voice 10: the top of my head i kind of think basically what i'm hearing is well we better ask the crd if it's

[0:27:40] Voice 10: okay to rezone land in certain areas no no didn't say that at all okay i

[0:27:45] Voice 7: didn't say you said that

[0:27:46] Voice 10: i'm saying that's what it sounds like the official

[0:27:48] Voice 7: community plan yeah i'm talking about the document

[0:27:52] Voice 7: that is the picture of salt spring 20 years from now to create the official the official community

[0:27:58] Voice 7: plan can't exist without inputs from all those other things those have to be considered when

[0:28:03] Voice 7: When we create an OCP, it's, you

[0:28:10] Voice 11: know, by law, by the local government.

[0:28:14] Voice 11: So

[0:28:14] Voice 4: we should be

[0:28:15] Voice 11: asking the CRP.

[0:28:18] Voice 4: They have to participate.

[0:28:21] Voice 4: If you're opening, I mean, if you're doing an OCP, once it's

[0:28:24] Voice 7: created, they're bound by it too.

[0:28:27] Voice 7: It's, you know, they get affected by it.

[0:28:31] Voice 7: They can't go build roads where in conflict with the OCP.

[0:28:34] Voice 7: be i

[0:28:35] Voice 9: think it's it's fair to say that you know in any community any any official community plan

[0:28:39] Voice 9: relies on on the community itself and that that includes other governments um so in our case it's

[0:28:45] Voice 9: even more dispersed our building inspection services with um with this year for example so

[0:28:51] Voice 9: the way we plan uh the way we build um are you know they you know we're going to build large

[0:28:57] Voice 9: buildings they need to have level three building inspectors so we're going to build tall buildings

[0:29:01] Voice 9: the fire department is going to acquire larger fire trucks these are some physical manifestations

[0:29:06] Voice 9: of that but even you know we're here on school district property um if we're attracting a large

[0:29:13] Voice 9: number of children to this the you know young families to this community then there's implications

[0:29:18] Voice 9: for school districts so the better we collaborate on making sure that you know kids have a place to

[0:29:24] Voice 9: go to school and people have water come clean water coming out of their taps these are the

[0:29:29] Voice 9: things that um we that that sort of is where we look to find out where our governance partners

[0:29:35] Voice 9: in these projects um so in this coordinators we and as the holders of of the land use authority

[0:29:41] Voice 9: here um it really is incumbent on the lpc to consider um you know are our decisions

[0:29:48] Voice 9: supportable is it is it buildable is it doable or all goes involved

[0:29:52] Voice 9: because

[0:29:54] Voice 11: we're building a complete community so it's they have to have to

[0:30:00] Voice 9: or if they're just we want to build a complete community right now with our communities

[0:30:05] Voice 9: i'm

[0:30:05] Voice 7: not saying our ocp is uh our ocp was never implemented we have a 2008 ocp that has not been

[0:30:13] Voice 7: implemented that's that's a reality we have we have a 1999 90s model there's been a little

[0:30:22] Voice 7: tweaks here and there but it has not been implemented and then that's one of the reasons

[0:30:27] Voice 7: we want to avoid that ever happening again maybe so

[0:30:32] Voice 9: in sync and i mean it seems to me certainly

[0:30:34] Voice 9: that that as far as skipping on to advocacy that one of the things we that's important for the ltc

[0:30:41] Voice 9: to advocate for is that closer better working relationship with these other these other factors

[0:30:48] Voice 9: and and making live on salt spring you know what close closer to what the uh the goals are so

[0:30:55] Voice 9: So I guess

[0:30:57] Voice 11: you're making those connections, right?

[0:30:58] Voice 10: It depends who gets elected and what kind of direction they want to take, right?

[0:31:02] Voice 10: Just a lot of bearings.

[0:31:04] Voice 9: Sure, yeah.

[0:31:05] Voice 9: I mean, I understand that that's, I mean, I had a quick look at the number of candidates

[0:31:10] Voice 9: the other day.

[0:31:11] Voice 9: There's clearly more candidates than there are spots.

[0:31:15] Voice 9: So exactly like how that plays out, regardless of who's

[0:31:21] Voice 9: elected, we still have to find ways

[0:31:23] Voice 9: to try and at least attempt to work for it.

[0:31:27] Voice 9: I see

[0:31:29] Voice 7: advocates as different.

[0:31:30] Voice 7: I see us coordinating with the other members

[0:31:36] Voice 7: that have direct relationships to our job.

[0:31:38] Voice 7: That's coordinating.

[0:31:39] Voice 7: I see advocating as being what we do with all the others.

[0:31:44] Voice 7: So Adam

[0:31:45] Voice 3: Olson

[0:31:47] Voice 7: and I went to the housing minister

[0:31:48] Voice 7: or it's been time that the CRD director

[0:31:52] Voice 7: and us go do something or, you know,

[0:31:55] Voice 7: so we work as a body together

[0:31:59] Voice 7: when we're working on the greater challenges

[0:32:01] Voice 7: that the island is facing.

[0:32:02] Voice 7: I see that as sort of advocacy role

[0:32:05] Voice 7: when we're working across jurisdictions together

[0:32:10] Voice 7: for the greater good of the island.

[0:32:13] Voice 11: Yeah, well, province or-

[0:32:17] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:32:19] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:32:22] Voice 11: Decision makers act, they just don't make decisions.

[0:32:24] Voice 11: So I

[0:32:24] Voice 9: think the next question is a bit of a dangerous one for the discussion section because the next slide is about action.

[0:32:32] Voice 9: Yeah, what can we do to take action and stop talking?

[0:32:35] Voice 9: So let's move to the next slide.

[0:32:39] Voice 9: Oh, yeah, I was going to ask you guys what workforce housing is.

[0:32:42] Voice 9: But if you guys want to skip the actions first, we can do that and come back.

[0:32:46] Voice 9: Well,

[0:32:47] Voice 7: there's missed, I mean, coordinating that, I mean, engaging, was missing from that previous list.

[0:32:55] Voice 7: We are not good. I don't know if that's involved. I'm not trying to be precise.

[0:33:02] Voice 7: We don't have the skill set at the Islands Trust. That's one of the big things in the housing paper that's pointed out.

[0:33:09] Voice 7: is um you know there's more to be done to be better engagers because that's where

[0:33:17] Voice 7: speed comes from being in sync with the community you know doing the work early that was a big

[0:33:24] Voice 7: message out of the housing summit yeah was you know the the the world we live in today with

[0:33:31] Voice 7: social media and all the craziness that it's going to be means we have to be out far earlier

[0:33:36] Voice 7: earlier than you ever thought before. Neutral and informed voices working in the community and

[0:33:42] Voice 7: um because that's how we can go faster is when everyone's kind of yeah

[0:33:46] Voice 10: yeah if we get everyone

[0:33:47] Voice 10: well yeah that seems to be a really difficult ask for Salt Spring I'm to get everybody up

[0:33:56] Voice 10: no matter what we do here we've got some you know well we've

[0:34:02] Voice 10: been experiencing for a long

[0:34:03] Voice 10: long time there's people that aren't going to like something and i think you probably

[0:34:08] Voice 9: find that in

[0:34:08] Voice 9: any of the island communities but i mean so you know it's unrealistic to expect that everyone's

[0:34:16] Voice 9: going to look along but if you get most of the people heading the same direction i mean that's

[0:34:22] Voice 9: that's as good as you can hope for but i think i think what laura was just pointing out though is

[0:34:26] Voice 9: is really relevant is like is about communicating in a in a timely way early early

[0:34:35] Voice 9: um so that

[0:34:36] Voice 9: you know so that instead of uh uh you know some facebook discussion that happening

[0:34:42] Voice 9: coming to all these wild conclusions and then the outrage citizenry

[0:34:47] Voice 10: comes and says

[0:34:47] Voice 10: trustee harris how have you let this come

[0:34:51] Voice 9: to this pass so that like actually getting ahead of that

[0:34:54] Voice 9: and saying hey here's what we're thinking of doing and these are some of the approaches yeah yeah so

[0:35:00] Voice 9: i mean yeah that's how we get them for no quicker right and that's and that's the case like all

[0:35:05] Voice 9: through the audience trust and every bit of it but you know certainly certainly relevant here i did

[0:35:09] Voice 9: like to hear what you said about neutral

[0:35:11] Voice 10: informed

[0:35:12] Voice 7: voice yeah and that's important so

[0:35:16] Voice 10: that brings me

[0:35:17] Voice 10: to what i didn't hear i got off the wall in the school here this is we work together with these

[0:35:22] Voice 10: people right here and there's information

[0:35:25] Voice 11: on here that isn't true that polarizes whips up

[0:35:30] Voice 11: climate climate anxiety and why are we doing this and why is it so people can further

[0:35:40] Voice 11: their anti-development cause and why why does it need why does there need to be something that's

[0:35:48] Voice 11: not true on here like that's not that's neutral but our name's on that this is isn't neutral

[0:35:59] Voice 11: rather but our name is

[0:36:00] Voice 10: on it like that's

[0:36:01] Voice 10: something that we have

[0:36:02] Voice 7: identified incorrect statements

[0:36:03] Voice 7: should be corrected but

[0:36:05] Voice 10: they're everywhere they're still in our office at the at the

[0:36:08] Voice 10: office they're still there they're on the wall and coming in here into the meeting today like

[0:36:15] Voice 10: we and that isn't on our i guess it could be part of our action list or whatever you know the page

[0:36:22] Voice 10: three or what we looked at earlier because it could go into the first heading as you know

[0:36:27] Voice 10: affordable housing how do we create more affordable housing let's to get rid of like

[0:36:31] Voice 10: you're mentioning on non-neutral information that hampers that because you've got if you don't fight

[0:36:38] Voice 10: with fight for the fight it's just to provide that neutral but which comes to the point we have to

[0:36:42] Voice 10: fight like we have to because we're that's what we're dealing with there's a crisis we've got

[0:36:47] Voice 10: ngos

[0:36:48] Voice 11: spouting out and out falsehoods and we're at a point where these other ngos are not they're

[0:36:57] Voice 11: They're threatening to take us to court for

[0:37:00] Voice 10: trying to alleviate the housing crisis.

[0:37:04] Voice 11: And we're, you know, it's like, well, how do we deal with that?

[0:37:10] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:37:10] Voice 11: And I mean, in terms of, you know, that specific

[0:37:12] Voice 9: stuff, like, I mean, that is, that's, that's

[0:37:16] Voice 9: trust counsel.

[0:37:17] Voice 9: That's not so much.

[0:37:19] Voice 9: No, but, but,

[0:37:20] Voice 10: but, but it is when it comes to dealing with that group and that's, and

[0:37:23] Voice 10: that's supporting them.

[0:37:24] Voice 10: Our name is on the same paper.

[0:37:26] Voice 10: i

[0:37:26] Voice 7: don't want to spend a lot of time talking about that you know fixing a statement hey

[0:37:32] Voice 10: it's not just

[0:37:33] Voice 10: that statement this is fixing a whole systemic problem that's going on this isn't just the

[0:37:39] Voice 10: statement don't dismiss that

[0:37:41] Voice 7: i'm not i know you it's it's part of there are people in our

[0:37:45] Voice 7: community that are fearful that that's because they've been told lies

[0:37:49] Voice 7: uh that's not that's that's

[0:37:52] Voice 7: not necessary it's it's it's about recognizing there there are people that are fearful but

[0:37:57] Voice 10: that's why they're afraid they've been told things that aren't true well

[0:38:00] Voice 7: that's we're not

[0:38:01] Voice 7: going to have that we're not going to debate uh you know

[0:38:05] Voice 10: okay then that's a chicken and the egg

[0:38:06] Voice 10: which i completely don't understand because someone says that the sky is falling the sky

[0:38:11] Voice 10: is falling and then people start believing that when it clearly isn't balding well right it's

[0:38:17] Voice 7: we're not going to have let's let's not have that argument today

[0:38:20] Voice 10: i'm not arguing i'm saying how do

[0:38:21] Voice 10: we deal with that you're talking about giving not neutral

[0:38:25] Voice 7: i think that's a great idea you have to

[0:38:26] Voice 7: recognize all the voices in your community it doesn't say you have to believe them or agree

[0:38:32] Voice 7: with them you have to yeah you have to recognize they exist just like you know you feel that you

[0:38:39] Voice 7: people you represent have not been listened to hey

[0:38:43] Voice 10: i recognize everybody exists but i also

[0:38:45] Voice 10: to recognize truth versus lies that's a different story altogether i don't recognize people that are

[0:38:53] Voice 10: telling us something that isn't true informing heavy regulatory environmental policies because

[0:38:58] Voice 10: of that which are then having a very negative impact on our housing availability here on the

[0:39:05] Voice 10: island like i'm not going to recognize

[0:39:06] Voice 11: those people and give them credit sorry i'm doing

[0:39:13] Voice 11: everything i can to fight against that that's what we need to do we need

[0:39:16] Voice 9: positive messages

[0:39:18] Voice 9: Well, yeah, and I guess, you know, it's a matter of approach, right? Because if you want public buy-in, like I say, we're never going to get everyone, but if you want the majority to come along and let's get this done together, you know, there's different ways to approach it.

[0:39:37] Voice 9: now positive message well yeah okay so so on that point i i totally understand where you're coming

[0:39:43] Voice 9: from but on that point my tendency would be to not even worry about that at this point and move

[0:39:51] Voice 9: towards the positive like i'm not trying to discount and honestly i think that's a trust

[0:39:57] Voice 9: council issue that kind of stuff that's that logo being on there that's not we don't get to put that

[0:40:03] Voice 9: well sure that that's well okay folks i'm sorry i'm i'm not aware like i don't think the people

[0:40:09] Voice 9: watching this meeting are aware of what we're talking about right now or if it is yeah i don't

[0:40:14] Voice 8: know that

[0:40:14] Voice 9: it's relevant to the workshopping of well i think it's very

[0:40:18] Voice 10: relevant i was trying to

[0:40:20] Voice 10: compliment trustee patrick monroe's statement about having the neutral information

[0:40:25] Voice 9: yeah to the

[0:40:26] Voice 9: people yeah and i completely love what you had just said yes yeah it's great it's about building

[0:40:32] Voice 9: enough consensus and momentum to get to where you know most most people want to go to

[0:40:38] Voice 8: and and

[0:40:40] Voice 9: it's true there's always going to be some dissent there's always going to be uh we're not fixing the

[0:40:45] Voice 9: device we're

[0:40:46] Voice 7: not going to

[0:40:46] Voice 9: convince everybody but it's about convincing enough people that we're all

[0:40:51] Voice 9: that the common goal is is worth pursuing okay um okay so we're talking about housing and we're

[0:41:02] Voice 9: just um going through to roll the uh flannery bucket is out of the engagement to um that that

[0:41:08] Voice 9: list that role i think there's a desire for um that engagement in the community um and how we

[0:41:14] Voice 9: um we inform and hear uh from the community um does that does that kind of capture what we're

[0:41:21] Voice 9: getting at here

[0:41:22] Voice 7: that's it i think

[0:41:23] Voice 9: it's a critical one to

[0:41:24] Voice 7: recognize yeah

[0:41:26] Voice 9: i mean i i think one of the

[0:41:27] Voice 9: one of the to speak of actions one of the things that we're sort of doing some proactive work on

[0:41:33] Voice 9: is you know next month we'll have that first evening session um but yeah like that's as far

[0:41:42] Voice 9: as i understand that's kind of something new here so that's that's a i think that's a good

[0:41:46] Voice 9: step in the right direction this lvc is taking

[0:41:49] Voice 5: okay we'll be skipping the next slide you're

[0:41:54] Voice 5: being our workforce housing and we can spend time

[0:41:56] Voice 9: on this now or we can move ahead i mean it's

[0:41:58] Voice 9: it's pretty um it's it's up to you i think

[0:42:03] Voice 1: we're

[0:42:04] Voice 9: going to have a break we have been in this room

[0:42:06] Voice 9: for about two hours now probably um i mean i'm fine with that how long do we have the room till

[0:42:14] Voice 9: we only have until four so uh four okay so

[0:42:17] Voice 9: it's up to you guys if you guys want to take five minutes

[0:42:20] Voice 9: that's i think that's totally reasonable okay um but let's see maybe not take a lot longer than

[0:42:26] Voice 9: that yeah can we just recess can we just get a new motion to recess until i

[0:42:31] Voice 8: don't think we need

[0:42:31] Voice 8: a motion

[0:42:32] Voice 9: we could just call i can just call a recess for okay five minutes

[0:42:35] Voice 9: as long as mr bucking

[0:42:36] Voice 9: can put mr bucket

[0:42:37] Voice 9: great i'll

[0:42:38] Voice 11: do this slide yeah okay for the public to see well i'm just going

[0:42:50] Voice 11: to share a screen and put on oh excellent that's so beautiful i'm trying to keep up

[0:43:04] Voice 11: we got picking up where we left off yeah okay great

[0:47:04] Voice 2: um so here's this was the uh the next

[0:47:08] Voice 2: question that we had just for discussion is just um and this is we can do this now or we could like

[0:47:15] Voice 9: i don't know but it's we've heard workforce housing i think we have some ideas of how this

[0:47:19] Voice 9: can move forward but if you'd like to have a little bit of a conversation um in terms of

[0:47:23] Voice 9: giving some idea of what this might mean to you i would just like to have the main term is workforce

[0:47:27] Voice 9: workforce ownership housing well

[0:47:29] Voice 7: it's all for it's like no

[0:47:32] Voice 10: the main term that I'm trying to

[0:47:33] Voice 10: push is workforce ownership

[0:47:34] Voice 7: housing clearly

[0:47:35] Voice 10: of course that is rental but when I when I speak

[0:47:38] Voice 10: about workforce and I'm assuming that's what you're requiring well because I keep saying

[0:47:43] Voice 10: workforce workforce ownership housing is good well

[0:47:46] Voice 7: to me it's all fine I really like the way

[0:47:49] Voice 7: things are progressing i think the we always learn the housing needs assessments that came

[0:47:58] Voice 7: out as a requirement just sound needy just even the name it kind of makes you think i'm talking

[0:48:04] Voice 7: about you know these people over here

[0:48:07] Voice 3: um

[0:48:08] Voice 7: i think generally seeing a lot more agreement to say

[0:48:14] Voice 7: say who

[0:48:15] Voice 7: is your community and you know we don't take that time to say who's our community we're

[0:48:22] Voice 7: just reacting to what's happening it's like having conversations yeah we had a big population jump in

[0:48:28] Voice 7: the last census people are oh my god the population jumped then i go but we're losing people and they

[0:48:34] Voice 7: go huh and it's like well we gained people but we lost people and so to me part of part of this

[0:48:41] Voice 7: this question here is, who's our community?

[0:48:44] Voice 7: What data, demographics, and information do we have to say,

[0:48:47] Voice 7: who is a healthy item?

[0:48:51] Voice 7: What's the makeup?

[0:48:53] Voice 7: We do have

[0:48:54] Voice 11: a lot of heavy employment jobs.

[0:49:00] Voice 11: We have three ferry terminals, DC ferries.

[0:49:02] Voice 7: We have the hospital, the schools, grocery stores.

[0:49:09] Voice 7: We have a lot of employees.

[0:49:11] Voice 7: And unless somebody

[0:49:12] Voice 7: from

[0:49:13] Voice 10: those types of positions, anybody that draws a paycheck, unless they have had a house given to them through, you know, a will or something, or they bought their own,

[0:49:24] Voice 11: you know, 20 years plus ago, cannot afford to buy a home here.

[0:49:31] Voice 11: no we're not in order to have a healthy

[0:49:33] Voice 10: sustainable community we need homes that

[0:49:38] Voice 10: work the working class can own and feel secure in for themselves and their families to place to

[0:49:45] Voice 10: raise their kids bond wife well

[0:49:49] Voice 7: it's it's we need options housing options that meet the needs of the

[0:49:53] Voice 7: community that live here people want options from ownership uh some people prefer to rent that's

[0:50:00] Voice 7: there we will have that well we don't have we have zero rentals we

[0:50:04] Voice 10: will have that with this

[0:50:06] Voice 10: a percentage of that is clearly for rentals well i mean

[0:50:09] Voice 10: we have to ask you what is

[0:50:11] Voice 7: workforce housing

[0:50:14] Voice 10: ownership end of it like that's it's

[0:50:16] Voice 7: options yeah it

[0:50:19] Voice 10: will be something like you know maybe

[0:50:21] Voice 11: 25 of these projects could be rentals the rest needs to be ownership i think we have a lot of

[0:50:30] Voice 11: information there and i think we have a lot more

[0:50:32] Voice 2: um you know it'll it'll be salt spring specific

[0:50:37] Voice 2: um as we go forward with

[0:50:38] Voice 9: policies but a lot of what is coming from the trust right now like

[0:50:42] Voice 9: what we're looking forward to a lot of resources that we're assembling i think will inform the ocp

[0:50:48] Voice 9: and and then maybe we can talk about actions i think in this this might be a bit more of a

[0:50:53] Voice 9: conversation for action to talk about what what can we do here in salt spring

[0:50:57] Voice 9: We heard that a lot, so added

[0:51:00] Voice 10: zoning for

[0:51:01] Voice 9: those projects.

[0:51:02] Voice 9: There will be

[0:51:03] Voice 11: some action on that.

[0:51:05] Voice 11: Who's getting the data?

[0:51:09] Voice 11: The data?

[0:51:13] Voice 11: They seem to react.

[0:51:16] Voice 11: I mean, are we being, I carry,

[0:51:19] Voice 7: I keep track of real estate sales and building permits

[0:51:24] Voice 7: and things of that nature.

[0:51:26] Voice 7: Do you know a thousand homes, residential properties

[0:51:29] Voice 7: produced exchanged hands in the last five years and how many houses are being built the size of

[0:51:36] Voice 7: the house is being built

[0:51:37] Voice 11: and who's collecting that kind of data well as far as construction

[0:51:45] Voice 11: goes that's i mean that is available data

[0:51:47] Voice 9: um but

[0:51:50] Voice 7: i mean shouldn't be that shouldn't part of this

[0:51:51] Voice 7: be monitoring data one is demographics who should be here or who is here who's missing who's being

[0:51:58] Voice 7: heard but

[0:51:59] Voice 10: clearly being heard as workforce is being heard we're not going to start laying down

[0:52:03] Voice 10: heavy-handed rules against free market we need to have added zoning for workforce

[0:52:11] Voice 9: preferably ownership housing i'm hearing i'm hearing two actions here possibly one is that

[0:52:16] Voice 9: um just having um adding zoning is one option right it's one one action i don't see any other

[0:52:24] Voice 9: interaction well another action is understanding more

[0:52:27] Voice 7: we have ganges we need to we need to

[0:52:33] Voice 7: ganges is critical uh ganges was identified in our unimplemented ocp as being the growth area

[0:52:40] Voice 7: yeah

[0:52:41] Voice 10: and that's what we want to do we want

[0:52:42] Voice 7: to have ganges

[0:52:43] Voice 10: yeah three for these one that's coming down

[0:52:45] Voice 10: the pipe and we need

[0:52:47] Voice 7: to be able to get ganges back alive

[0:52:53] Voice 7: live come

[0:52:54] Voice 5: on live it's all in one category then we can go over and figure out which one's long

[0:52:58] Voice 5: term which one's short term is that okay just listen all now yeah okay

[0:53:02] Voice 10: bngs it's a critical

[0:53:04] Voice 10: area of focus yes it is it's going to take an awful long time to realize where we can do added

[0:53:09] Voice 10: zoning very quickly bngs i'm 100 and supportive doing whatever we can let's get on it as quickly

[0:53:17] Voice 10: is possible but clearly it's going to take much much longer than we can don't know i don't know

[0:53:24] Voice 10: i do because we're only talking about it right and we still have to coordinate with the crd

[0:53:30] Voice 10: the sewage treatment plant needs to be expanded um there's still a water moratorium from uh maxwell

[0:53:36] Voice 10: that's where the water would be coming from that's the service level service and

[0:53:39] Voice 3: then we've got alr

[0:53:40] Voice 10: we're talking about alr right so that's some pretty big hurdles to jump we're zoning yeah

[0:53:45] Voice 3: Yeah, we

[0:53:45] Voice 10: can do added zoning to start things prior to be doing them at the same time, but

[0:53:51] Voice 10: clearly in the race of getting them accomplished, the added zoning is going to come in first.

[0:53:57] Voice 10: And even if we could do any of these and, you know, wave a magic wand and have these

[0:54:03] Voice 10: done tomorrow, it's, you know, it's still clearly going to get much, much worse before

[0:54:07] Voice 10: it gets any better.

[0:54:08] Voice 10: That's why the urgency

[0:54:10] Voice 11: is, the sense of urgency is so great.

[0:54:13] Voice 11: right. I just have a question.

[0:54:20] Voice 6: When you talk about added zoning, what do you have in mind?

[0:54:25] Voice 10: What I have in mind is rural. I was initially going to, but we could probably talk about

[0:54:30] Voice 10: different actual zoning, you know, the actual classification of the zoning, but I was initially

[0:54:37] Voice 10: stating rural and rural uplands across the board. We would add a density of one dwelling per acre

[0:54:43] Voice 10: for workforce ownership housing projects

[0:54:46] Voice 6: yes but

[0:54:48] Voice 10: only and that's temporary added zoning

[0:54:53] Voice 10: or up zoning again strictly for the use of workforce ownership housing projects in the

[0:55:01] Voice 10: form of building strata form to be controlled by housing authority so

[0:55:08] Voice 7: you want to do something

[0:55:08] Voice 7: quickly we

[0:55:11] Voice 10: can do the zoning no

[0:55:12] Voice 7: you just said a housing authority

[0:55:13] Voice 10: just no you don't see the

[0:55:16] Voice 10: housing authority we do the zoning for it to to um what's the word um to initiate that we don't do

[0:55:24] Voice 10: the um the housing authority we don't do the projects developers do the projects i understand

[0:55:30] Voice 7: And the

[0:55:31] Voice 10: CRD clearly has and has spoken about being willing to help initiate housing authority.

[0:55:41] Voice 10: A nonprofit group can start to knock the housing authority.

[0:55:44] Voice 10: That's not in our purview.

[0:55:46] Voice 10: We don't have to do it.

[0:55:47] Voice 10: We just have to do the zoning to provide the opportunity for these entities to

[0:55:54] Voice 9: do that.

[0:55:55] Voice 9: It's very, very simple.

[0:55:56] Voice 9: I think we've got it here.

[0:55:59] Voice 9: We can come back and, like, you know, as we move forward, we can come back and clarify

[0:56:03] Voice 9: that some more.

[0:56:04] Voice 9: There's a lot of details and a lot more discussion here, but I think we've got this item and

[0:56:08] Voice 9: we're just really trying to get some items on the list of potential actions.

[0:56:12] Voice 9: But, you know, certainly heard that is something that could be done in the short term, within

[0:56:16] Voice 9: that, certainly within zero to three years.

[0:56:19] Voice 9: Are there other actions we can take in the short term or in the long term to make housing

[0:56:24] Voice 9: more stable. Of course

[0:56:28] Voice 7: there are accessory dwelling units, which we've talked about,

[0:56:31] Voice 7: so but that is the short term. Accessory dwelling units.

[0:56:38] Voice 11: What did you have in mind?

[0:56:40] Voice 7: No, what we've already got going. I'm just saying that that is a short-term action,

[0:56:44] Voice 7: that was just technology. 530. Yeah,

[0:56:46] Voice 9: yeah. Are there things that we need to do in the

[0:56:50] Voice 9: long term? Like you may solve this by hunting, but imagine the hunting crisis is solved in three

[0:56:55] Voice 9: years time um yeah well in a fantasy humor yeah yeah but like other things but other three years

[0:57:04] Voice 9: out i mean if you if you've done the short-term things um if you're not still doing still trying

[0:57:10] Voice 9: to advance the things we're talking about today um are there next steps that you need to take um

[0:57:15] Voice 9: to either uh improve the situation or um sustain a healthy hungry market well as far as ganji's

[0:57:23] Voice 9: being a critical area of focus we need

[0:57:25] Voice 11: to delineate what is Ganges where's the borders

[0:57:31] Voice 11: well that's all yeah it's all it's all related to

[0:57:33] Voice 7: where and and and the service partners you know

[0:57:38] Voice 7: how it how it's serviced and things going forward there's a lot of work there to make it be

[0:57:44] Voice 7: um you know a vital area that can remain vital in perpetuity um um I don't I don't like the word

[0:57:55] Voice 7: containment zones but i i look to our partners and san juan islands and um you know that's what they

[0:58:04] Voice 7: they have created is you know containment areas um and so probably from a long term is is you know

[0:58:11] Voice 7: is is is fulford or vesuvius the right areas are we missing you know those are those are bigger

[0:58:19] Voice 7: questions but there are do you is that long term or should we have a short term um i'd like you

[0:58:25] Voice 7: i can say right now ganges is already a uh a uh

[0:58:29] Voice 3: it's

[0:58:31] Voice 7: like a growth it's a it's a dedicated

[0:58:33] Voice 7: growth area in our in our ocp so it's already been identified that's in the show right yeah

[0:58:38] Voice 7: so it's it's do we need more are there other village sites so to speak maybe it's one that

[0:58:44] Voice 7: doesn't exist already that's kind of what i think what you're kind of talking about

[0:58:46] Voice 10: because it is um

[0:58:48] Voice 7: and there's ways of finding and discovering that because

[0:58:52] Voice 10: clearly if we can do that at zoning

[0:58:54] Voice 10: they're not all going to pop up and all of a sudden have these projects going on this is why

[0:58:59] Voice 10: the temporary um is so important well

[0:59:02] Voice 7: this is about the long term is creating connected nodes

[0:59:05] Voice 7: of villages i guess you could say um you know this is uh is a longer

[0:59:11] Voice 11: term i think i think we

[0:59:16] Voice 7: we we have to we have to uh we just can't keep spreading you know so it's it's um

[0:59:25] Voice 7: um you know create vital nodes of villages that work work together um better

[0:59:33] Voice 9: well

[0:59:34] Voice 10: we are spread already like

[0:59:36] Voice 7: what i know i know but i mean there might be more village

[0:59:39] Voice 7: you're trying to not spread more but well

[0:59:41] Voice 10: that's why the zoning zoning is for these to have a

[0:59:45] Voice 10: density of one dwelling per acre well

[0:59:47] Voice 7: i'm not saying what that looks like i'm just saying we

[0:59:50] Voice 7: need to have village maybe it's really a

[0:59:52] Voice 10: density of one dwelling per half acre

[0:59:54] Voice 9: or a portion of

[0:59:55] Voice 9: those problems i don't know what it is well yeah then i mean i guess you know conceivably in the

[1:00:00] Voice 9: in Ganges or whatever, you might be looking at more density than one dwelling in another.

[1:00:04] Voice 9: Yes.

[1:00:05] Voice 7: I mean, to make the villages, yeah.

[1:00:08] Voice 7: I think with climate change and so forth, I think we have to say we're looking also at increased serviced areas.

[1:00:16] Voice 7: You know, if a village, if you're making a note of a village,

[1:00:19] Voice 7: um um you're looking at you know serviced areas that you're creating to support those

[1:00:27] Voice 7: compact

[1:00:29] Voice 11: locations and any i

[1:00:40] Voice 7: think when i say any future any future housing it's it's trying to

[1:00:44] Voice 7: bring more and more into alignment you know that we're protecting we're protecting the options

[1:00:49] Voice 7: um we have to find ways i think we we let you we we let the market we're not the only ones

[1:00:57] Voice 7: everybody did we all let the market go wild and you know wait down on the lower ends of the market

[1:01:05] Voice 7: we've got to find those tools that we contain the upper end people want to pay millions and

[1:01:11] Voice 7: millions of dollars to their houses so be it we need to find a way to protect the lower ends of

[1:01:17] Voice 7: the market to match the community and and secure the community going forward so that we don't get

[1:01:23] Voice 7: out of wampus again i mean that that would be my you know that my dream of a long-term action is

[1:01:28] Voice 7: that we we find ways to maintain that housing into the future and

[1:01:33] Voice 10: we're doing that with the

[1:01:34] Voice 10: short-term action of added zoning for workforce ownership housing right that's exactly what we're

[1:01:39] Voice 9: doing that would be the outcome of what i'm suggesting with unsure the protectors exactly

[1:01:45] Voice 11: what you said there i

[1:01:47] Voice 2: think i think we've got a lot to work with here i'm going to suggest we

[1:01:52] Voice 2: move to the next uh next topic here we've had a big conversation about other than today so

[1:01:58] Voice 2: um yeah so chris is going to take us through fun fun and bucket is going to take us through uh

[1:02:04] Voice 2: i don't

[1:02:08] Voice 5: mind saying hearing i kind of like working as i go too um so agricultural planning did come

[1:02:16] Voice 5: up at the january 26th meeting um mind you not as prevalent as housing but it does relate too

[1:02:22] Voice 5: so i put together a bit of information and get some discussion out of that so what did we hear

[1:02:26] Voice 5: the alr boundary may not align with the most suitable agricultural land parcels on the island

[1:02:31] Voice 5: there are parcels being farmed outside the alr and there's parcels in the alr that are not being

[1:02:36] Voice 5: farmed and likely will never be farmed um ganges area uh ganges village area tends to be boxed in

[1:02:42] Voice 5: by ALR on all sides restricting growth and housing options and there's interest to explore

[1:02:49] Voice 5: options to address the ALR boundary around Ganges and look at possible swaps maybe other options

[1:02:57] Voice 5: up for discussion is that accurate of the I

[1:03:02] Voice 7: think I mean I don't see I don't want to think that

[1:03:05] Voice 7: I look at Ganges being absent of farmland I absolutely see our future village having

[1:03:12] Voice 7: I mean, the agricultural land within it as well,

[1:03:15] Voice 7: that we're not just saying extract it from the...

[1:03:18] Voice 7: Because that's part of a healthy community

[1:03:20] Voice 7: is to have people living there, working there too.

[1:03:25] Voice 7: There's some particular parcels

[1:03:27] Voice 7: that are

[1:03:28] Voice 11: really binding on the future.

[1:03:33] Voice 11: So there is some

[1:03:36] Voice 5: aptitude to preserve.

[1:03:38] Voice 5: Absolutely.

[1:03:39] Voice 7: I mean, if it's workable farming,

[1:03:42] Voice 7: that you know should be should you know that's a healthy that's a healthy property could be

[1:03:48] Voice 10: a food production there's a property on them yeah so it's just been purchased there should

[1:03:53] Voice 10: be something coming our way at some point here half of the property the whole property is the

[1:03:57] Voice 10: ALR they're going to take half of it out for 50 workforce ownership housing units and the other

[1:04:03] Voice 10: half is to be in food production

[1:04:05] Voice 8: so

[1:04:06] Voice 10: you could leave that in the ALR and um makes

[1:04:11] Voice 8: a lot of sense

[1:04:13] Voice 5: Next slide. I've just pulled the available information starting with the ALR general

[1:04:22] Voice 5: regulation. Divisions three and four do state process and who can actually apply for this

[1:04:27] Voice 5: exclusion application and really the public can't apply to exclude their own land. It has to come

[1:04:33] Voice 5: from a local government body or provincial government body so that would likely fall on

[1:04:37] Voice 5: the LTC here to initiate this application. You can do that for a single property or a

[1:04:44] Voice 5: bunch of different ones. It depends on the scope of how you want to approach it.

[1:04:48] Voice 5: We have some existing OCP policy that speaks to agricultural land in our community, some that

[1:04:55] Voice 5: speaks to exclusions, inclusions, and the efforts the LTC really wants to take to preserve viable

[1:05:01] Voice 5: agricultural land. We have our advisory bodies, the Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee,

[1:05:07] Voice 5: which is used for current ALR applications. And we also have the Cultural Alliance.

[1:05:13] Voice 7: There's also a farm plan. There is an area farm plan that was

[1:05:16] Voice 11: updated right before the

[1:05:18] Voice 11: PandaRank started. This is the correct wording?

[1:05:25] Voice 7: Probably close enough.

[1:05:29] Voice 5: And there's some mapping. There's the Canada Land Inventory. It's available in GIS layers. There's

[1:05:35] Voice 5: also the BC Soil Information Finder tool, which I've taken snippets later into this presentation.

[1:05:39] Voice 5: and that really tells you about the soil classification out of land.

[1:05:43] Voice 5: And there's ALR mapping, which we can go into,

[1:05:45] Voice 5: and ALR considers soil classification along with a few other things.

[1:05:52] Voice 5: ALC background.

[1:05:54] Voice 5: For the ALC, they really value large, continuous ALR boundaries.

[1:05:58] Voice 5: They don't tend to like to divvy up ALR land

[1:06:02] Voice 5: and create remote islands of boundary.

[1:06:05] Voice 5: So if we were to pursue an exclusion application,

[1:06:09] Voice 5: that should be considered.

[1:06:10] Voice 5: Soil classifications one to six are also seen as capable of agriculture, six requiring some

[1:06:15] Voice 5: improvement and one to three being the most desired. And we've gone over the ALC general

[1:06:22] Voice 5: regulation division three who can apply division four essentially the standard procedure. A bit of

[1:06:29] Voice 5: OCP policy I gathered there is more but I found this to be the most applicable to the conversation

[1:06:35] Voice 5: that was held. First of all ALR inclusion applications are encouraged for productive

[1:06:40] Voice 5: agricultural land. There is some policy speaking to rezoning current agricultural land and land

[1:06:49] Voice 5: specifically inside the ALR to general employment uses. So there is OCP policies of course and this

[1:06:57] Voice 5: is near nearby Ganges just to support that. Now

[1:07:03] Voice 5: I'm going to go into full view here.

[1:07:08] Voice 5: I've pulled two different maps here. On the left we have the ALR boundaries on the island

[1:07:14] Voice 5: On the right I've actually pulled the soil information agricultural capability.

[1:07:19] Voice 5: And the areas with the crosshatch they are actually one to three the most desirable the rest being four to six.

[1:07:28] Voice 5: And this is just for your reference, but you can see there's some overlap with with ALR boundaries and the most productive land.

[1:07:35] Voice 5: end, but it's not continuous. It's not the perfect resemblance. So there may be some further

[1:07:41] Voice 5: opportunity for further analysis. Going straight into Ganges here, sorry, I have some documents

[1:07:48] Voice 5: here that are in the way. We have Ganges here. You can see that all Ganges is actually under

[1:07:54] Voice 5: classification three. The majority is outside of the ALR, but just for more information,

[1:08:01] Voice 5: there's that solar classifications above and below that seem less productive.

[1:08:06] Voice 11: So I kind of

[1:08:15] Voice 5: ran through that but jumping right into questions does the LTC feel the current policies and

[1:08:19] Voice 5: regulations are in alignment with ALC regulation?

[1:08:23] Voice 7: God I hope so and to me what my observation has

[1:08:28] Voice 7: been that the ALC and islands don't necessarily match up if that makes sense. I'll give an example

[1:08:38] Voice 7: of one thing that frustrates me is you know we have farms that I've

[1:08:42] Voice 6: drawn pictures I like pictures

[1:08:44] Voice 7: thank you for having a whiteboard the alr lc is really designed about chilliwack and everywhere

[1:08:51] Voice 7: where you know you've got you know a hundred acre farm and it's a it can be a square it's

[1:08:56] Voice 7: 100 acres of an alr but on salt spring that's pretty rare to have a rectangular piece of

[1:09:03] Voice 7: property that's 100 alr so it ends up being split zone so it's you know you've got the alr down the

[1:09:10] Voice 7: middle so we got a here and then they put rule or uplands or whatever it is you know and so

[1:09:16] Voice 7: somebody comes along and buys this farm and the first thing they do is they try to subdivide

[1:09:23] Voice 7: and take this out as being let's subdivide this one and subdivide this one i think we're missing

[1:09:30] Voice 7: a policy that that really is the farm um the farmer uses forestry they do things they they're

[1:09:39] Voice 7: they're using the entire property historically as a farm.

[1:09:43] Voice 7: Just they use the land.

[1:09:46] Voice 9: The land crops in one section.

[1:09:48] Voice 9: Yeah,

[1:09:48] Voice 7: they'll put the house up here and they'll put the cattle over here.

[1:09:53] Voice 7: And, you know, they use the entire.

[1:09:55] Voice 7: So our policies are allowing this to happen.

[1:09:59] Voice 7: So to me, we should recognize that our rural farms, you know, as well,

[1:10:06] Voice 7: because that's to me a positive.

[1:10:07] Voice 7: It's, you know, we're not just trying to remove land from ALR.

[1:10:10] Voice 7: trying to make sure farms stay complete and don't get bought by someone and then split up because

[1:10:16] Voice 7: that's why we're so vulnerable that's attractive to a purchaser they look at that large farm

[1:10:24] Voice 7: somebody might split it off there um because it just like that's very rare so i think there's

[1:10:32] Voice 7: room to improve that um i think except the ganges would be interesting um to look at how

[1:10:42] Voice 7: you know how i think there's an opportunity to do some rationalization of of land i know the aapc

[1:10:52] Voice 7: the agricultural advisory planning committee was talking about that one parcel that's

[1:10:57] Voice 7: down in town being they said it'll never be far from the farmer said so what's that mean

[1:11:04] Voice 7: even though it's all in the three, maybe it's not.

[1:11:07] Voice 3: So

[1:11:07] Voice 7: I think there's some rationalization

[1:11:10] Voice 7: that needs to be done in particular with Ganties.

[1:11:13] Voice 7: And maybe there are other parcels, so I don't know.

[1:11:16] Voice 7: With

[1:11:16] Voice 10: what you're mentioning,

[1:11:17] Voice 10: you said our policy should ensure farms stay complete.

[1:11:20] Voice 10: What comes to, and you're talking about large parcels,

[1:11:23] Voice 10: there's not many, but one that comes to mind

[1:11:26] Voice 10: is North End Farm.

[1:11:28] Voice 10: Now, that is absolutely an ideal property

[1:11:31] Voice 10: to be broken up to a degree but it's kept in agriculture because anybody that wants to farm

[1:11:38] Voice 10: can't afford an 11.5 million dollar farm it's not going to happen but if that was into 10 acre farms

[1:11:46] Voice 10: then maybe that's a bit more you know feasible for somebody to and i think that's 165 acres

[1:11:55] Voice 10: out there you can actually probably get more food production and more if it was as long as it was

[1:12:00] Voice 10: kept in some, you know,

[1:12:02] Voice 10: there would have to be some sort of policy stating that there needs to

[1:12:07] Voice 10: be X amount of farmland or something. But why keep it in the large piece? Why not allow numerous

[1:12:13] Voice 10: people to farm?

[1:12:17] Voice 7: There is a policy that needs to look at the housing needs.

[1:12:30] Voice 7: farms. And that's something to look at in the farm community. Is it better to have smaller

[1:12:35] Voice 7: parcels or is it better to provide more forms of housing to allow bigger farms? I don't

[1:12:43] Voice 7: know. That's a new question.

[1:12:45] Voice 10: Well, that's what I thought automatically when you mentioned the safe, because I thought,

[1:12:48] Voice 10: well, there's one that should be possibly carved up and not just left to some big giant

[1:12:53] Voice 9: a state

[1:12:53] Voice 11: somebody

[1:12:54] Voice 9: with uh you know nba income

[1:12:57] Voice 11: yes about

[1:13:01] Voice 9: the agricultural alcee

[1:13:18] Voice 7: there's the berry farm plant is everybody participating

[1:13:23] Voice 7: so that is that is sort of the key document um what was a weakness of area farm plan is

[1:13:29] Voice 7: the implementation of it and i think that's an opportunity

[1:13:36] Voice 7: alignment with the implementation of that plan

[1:13:40] Voice 7: to

[1:13:40] Voice 8: that sort of more in terms of like

[1:13:47] Voice 7: that's that's

[1:13:48] Voice 4: that's the thing that's the newest

[1:13:49] Voice 7: and greatest likes have just done before

[1:13:52] Voice 7: for the, we did have last term,

[1:13:55] Voice 7: we met quarterly with the Agricultural Advisory Planning

[1:13:59] Voice 7: Committee and the

[1:14:00] Voice 7: Agricultural Advisory Committee.

[1:14:03] Voice 7: We met as an LTC with the Talatis four times a year.

[1:14:13] Voice 7: There

[1:14:14] Voice 9: we go.

[1:14:17] Voice 7: They're a good group.

[1:14:18] Voice 7: And we did ask, we have expanded that ask

[1:14:20] Voice 7: to also look at how we can work with them as

[1:14:23] Voice 11: well,

[1:14:26] Voice 7: and it's starting to work well,

[1:14:28] Voice 11: and it's

[1:14:29] Voice 11: changing.

[1:14:30] Voice 7: It's a little bit adversarial, but they're the main part to improve that relationship,

[1:14:36] Voice 7: and they need to stay in their hand-to-hand relationship.

[1:14:42] Voice 6: Sorry, since upon you two, something you're in conflict, if it's me, what page is it?

[1:14:49] Voice 6: Twenty-four.

[1:14:50] Voice 6: Twenty-five.

[1:14:51] Voice 6: Twenty-two.

[1:14:52] Voice 6: Twenty-three.

[1:14:54] Voice 11: Yeah, so it's probably the twenty-twenty.

[1:14:56] Voice 11: That sounds better.

[1:14:57] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:15:02] Voice 6: Those

[1:15:02] Voice 11: two points

[1:15:04] Voice 9: might be, that might be a good segue into action here.

[1:15:08] Voice 9: areas of meeting with reviving our engagement, et cetera.

[1:15:16] Voice 9: Is there

[1:15:17] Voice 2: other action that needs to be taken?

[1:15:19] Voice 2: I mean, I think there's-

[1:15:20] Voice 2: Well,

[1:15:21] Voice 7: you need to consider through like the Ganges planning

[1:15:23] Voice 7: if there's a rationalization of agricultural land

[1:15:32] Voice 7: beginning with a focus on Ganges,

[1:15:36] Voice 7: but it might take us outside Ganges

[1:15:38] Voice 7: to be able to rationalize that, if that makes sense.

[1:15:41] Voice 7: To do an exchange.

[1:15:42] Voice 9: Yeah,

[1:15:43] Voice 7: to maintain a net zero,

[1:15:44] Voice 3: we may have to

[1:15:46] Voice 7: be outside Ganges.

[1:15:47] Voice 3: And

[1:15:48] Voice 7: I do know we had a number of applications

[1:15:52] Voice 7: last for like non-farm use

[1:15:56] Voice 7: in and about the Ganges area.

[1:15:58] Voice 7: So that would all be, I think,

[1:16:00] Voice 7: that makes sense.

[1:16:04] Voice 9: Applications that didn't proceed?

[1:16:07] Voice 7: No, they proceeded,

[1:16:08] Voice 7: but they didn't get favorable responses.

[1:16:10] Voice 7: Okay. So, you know, I think that's part of Gangesville. It's a look, you know, that would be looked at as, you know, we worked it together, maybe we could straighten out some of those

[1:16:19] Voice 11: conflicts.

[1:16:26] Voice 11: That would be like Scott's property up there.

[1:16:30] Voice 11: Who's Scott?

[1:16:31] Voice 11: Are they in which medicine?

[1:16:33] Voice 11: No, we don't know.

[1:16:35] Voice 11: Oh, he was trying to?

[1:16:40] Voice 11: Give it a little better, you know, more uses.

[1:16:44] Voice 11: are there longer term actions around agriculture well

[1:16:50] Voice 7: the area farm plan i think it's an alignment

[1:16:52] Voice 7: of ocp and land use bylaws with the area farm plan there are there are a number of particular

[1:16:58] Voice 7: things that they were um there's something about our composting rules that are really

[1:17:06] Voice 7: needs it sounds like it needs some tweaking of words that um in

[1:17:11] Voice 2: our bylaws

[1:17:12] Voice 7: in our bylaws okay

[1:17:13] Voice 7: Yeah, there

[1:17:14] Voice 7: were a couple of very specific ones that are pressure points with the community that need to be looked at.

[1:17:22] Voice 9: But then you said implementation of the theory

[1:17:25] Voice 7: of work's been done.

[1:17:28] Voice 7: We just have to help align with it.

[1:17:31] Voice 11: That'd be long.

[1:17:32] Voice 11: Yeah, there's probably potentially some short and long out of there.

[1:17:35] Voice 11: I just don't, you know, it's been a while since I've experienced that. The pandemic came, you know,

[1:17:44] Voice 11: right after they got the plan out. Everything went sideways. It was a good process. I

[1:17:54] Voice 7: advise

[1:17:56] Voice 7: for all you new staff that came in. I thought they did a really, really good job on the process of

[1:18:02] Voice 7: engaging the community and how they came about creating that plan. I thought it was a good model

[1:18:06] Voice 7: and it worked well. Good lessons learned there.

[1:18:10] Voice 9: Yeah, that's one that I wasn't aware of, so

[1:18:12] Voice 9: definitely have to take a look at that one.

[1:18:14] Voice 11: I can give you the names of some of the key players.

[1:18:22] Voice 11: Okay, if there's nothing else on

[1:18:23] Voice 9: agriculture, we can move to our final topic here. Yeah,

[1:18:26] Voice 9: I

[1:18:27] Voice 7: think I'd be remiss if I didn't say improve. I mean, with our long term is we do need to

[1:18:32] Voice 7: to increase food security or increase food production

[1:18:38] Voice 11: and local food production.

[1:18:43] Voice 11: Yes, I don't know the right word is,

[1:18:44] Voice 11: but it's food security and local food production.

[1:18:49] All right.

[1:18:53] Voice 11: Okay, so we're gonna get

[1:18:54] Voice 11: into the First Nations relationship there.

[1:18:58] Voice 2: We're gonna go to the next stage.

[1:19:00] Voice 2: So I think this is a bit of what I've heard,

[1:19:03] Voice 2: and I won't say that it's necessarily

[1:19:05] Voice 9: than we talked about extensively on january 26th um but through conversations with uh with each of

[1:19:12] Voice 9: you and more broadly um i think it's it's something that we all recognize is something that is

[1:19:19] Voice 9: value and it's something that um you know within the province um contextually uh it's something we

[1:19:26] Voice 9: as well that we need to do um so what i've heard what i've heard a lot is that there's a there's a

[1:19:31] Voice 9: a pretty clear understanding of the importance of government-to-government relationships.

[1:19:36] Voice 9: There's a desire to have sort of, you know, we've seen this with a few land use applications. I

[1:19:41] Voice 9: think I've seen some frustrations and desire to get some more clear and balanced results,

[1:19:46] Voice 9: some more like when it comes to the policy outcomes and the decision-making process

[1:19:51] Voice 9: and how we process our application and all that. There's a desire to just have that be more clear

[1:19:58] Voice 9: there and maybe better organized.

[1:20:00] Voice 9: So, and then there's this, this last, there's this,

[1:20:04] Voice 9: you know, I, you know,

[1:20:06] Voice 9: in a traditional local government model,

[1:20:08] Voice 9: there is, there is staff that work really well

[1:20:13] Voice 9: just at local First Nations.

[1:20:16] Voice 9: And there's, there's a chief in council

[1:20:18] Voice 9: and there's a mayor in council

[1:20:21] Voice 9: and those two have their sort of analogs, right?

[1:20:24] Voice 9: But it leaves local trustees

[1:20:26] Voice 9: in a different scenario.

[1:20:28] Voice 9: How do you engage when you're,

[1:20:31] Voice 9: when you have a very direct relationship, actually,

[1:20:33] Voice 9: when, you know, the First Nation,

[1:20:36] Voice 9: when those governments' representatives

[1:20:39] Voice 9: are people who have knowledge and have value,

[1:20:42] Voice 9: and you are passionate about, you know,

[1:20:45] Voice 9: these local land-based issues,

[1:20:47] Voice 9: how do you engage appropriately?

[1:20:50] Voice 9: So I will say that there is a school of thought that,

[1:20:54] Voice 9: you know, if you're feeling uncomfortable,

[1:20:55] Voice 9: I'm cool you're probably doing a good job of making an effort with this stuff um because you're

[1:21:00] Voice 9: you're moving out of the comfort zone like the the historical comfort zone of just not

[1:21:05] Voice 9: um that's that's a part of this process is to to engage um so I don't have much answer for you I

[1:21:15] Voice 9: think it's I think it's something of a challenge for um for local trustees especially um to reach

[1:21:21] Voice 9: reach out to to other elected officials uh in first nation governments it's going to be um work

[1:21:27] Voice 9: that you you may need to do informally um or um you know through through genuine relationship

[1:21:33] Voice 9: building and i think that's a lot of it comes back to that you

[1:21:36] Voice 2: know um

[1:21:37] Voice 9: what work can you do

[1:21:38] Voice 9: to build relations um government government i don't know about laura myself on salt spring

[1:21:44] Voice 9: because we

[1:21:45] Voice 10: don't have first nations leaders from because they're the leaders first nations leaders

[1:21:51] Voice 10: that you're

[1:21:52] Voice 9: speaking of are Cowichan, Cordover, and Saanich,

[1:21:56] Voice 9: or Shemainis, or off the island.

[1:21:59] Voice 9: And thus

[1:22:02] Voice 10: far, I haven't engaged with any of those folks

[1:22:07] Voice 9: that I'd like to.

[1:22:08] Voice 9: But on the island, I've been engaging with many first names

[1:22:13] Voice 9: from the Penalikuts to Cowichan.

[1:22:19] Voice 9: and uh and i hope that we do it to a

[1:22:25] Voice 10: degree clearly take

[1:22:28] Voice 11: what we get from the first nation

[1:22:31] Voice 11: to heart when you know making decisions um clearly there needs to be more i see that but

[1:22:45] Voice 11: But I'm lucky to be able to engage with

[1:22:55] Voice 9: the number of First Nations that I am engaging with here.

[1:23:00] Voice 9: I've known them for many, many years, decades,

[1:23:04] Voice 11: worked side by side with them.

[1:23:11] Voice 11: It's very exciting that so many of our

[1:23:14] Voice 9: local First Nations have been absorbed into the couching battle recently this year.

[1:23:21] Voice 11: school of 80 before and so optimistic for sure um well for me i'm extremely

[1:23:36] Voice 7: frustrated that's

[1:23:38] Voice 7: one of the reasons why i asked for some you know the protocols you've worked on because

[1:23:41] Voice 7: um you know our standing resolution is that a letter is sent to the first nations introducing

[1:23:48] Voice 7: who we are but we're not introduced i mean i have i don't have the you know it's not we don't have

[1:23:53] Voice 7: that path and i'm i wasn't certain am i supposed to just go off and invite myself to meet chief

[1:24:01] Voice 7: and counsel who am i talking for am i just supposed to so i think we need some guidance as

[1:24:07] Voice 7: trustees um um what's expected i'm not what's expected but what's the best what's appropriate

[1:24:15] Voice 7: what's appropriate yeah that's the right word thank you um because i get mixed signals i guess

[1:24:19] Voice 7: oh no you know i'll hear executive committee that does last term so and so went to that with uh

[1:24:26] Voice 7: no one knew about it they're all seen plastered that's like well then i get well my goals are

[1:24:31] Voice 7: for them and then so we need consistency and messaging and we need to be introduced

[1:24:36] Voice 7: both directions i i do see that as a staff goal um and and also being aware of collections and

[1:24:44] Voice 7: I mean, changes from the First Nations

[1:24:48] Voice 7: so that we're introduced when elections occur,

[1:24:52] Voice 7: that, you know, who's the chief of council or so forth.

[1:24:58] Voice 7: I think there's lots of, I know last term,

[1:25:02] Voice 7: the Venus Island, we danced in the boat course.

[1:25:06] Voice 7: But I mean, they unfortunately only have two nations

[1:25:08] Voice 7: of primary concern, Blacks and Connecticut,

[1:25:10] Voice 7: elegant um but we went out on a boat with each name each nation so two trips spent the day out

[1:25:20] Voice 7: of the water ate a meal together um with staff and elders and it was fabulous uh did more more

[1:25:31] Voice 7: relationship building of that day on a water taxi than ever um you know so i i think we need to look

[1:25:41] Voice 7: for those kind of opportunities that you know not just one of us but three of us are together

[1:25:45] Voice 7: in an environment out on the especially i think the water is such a place of importance and um

[1:25:56] Voice 7: and here you know be with them for a while i know it costs money but there's some of the

[1:26:03] Voice 7: uh you know the uh government government funding from ubcm we paid for those trips

[1:26:08] Voice 7: at that. So maybe we do a year with 13 nations so we can't do all 13 in a year but maybe we should

[1:26:16] Voice 7: be planning for the next intake to do something you know whether it's a boat trip on the island or

[1:26:22] Voice 7: some other method but I think finding those ways to work for the whole LTC to have that government

[1:26:28] Voice 7: day you know with who we could would go leaps and

[1:26:34] Voice 11: bounds. I do feel comfortable

[1:26:37] Voice 11: comfortable with blacks and I can talk to the staff and I know so I have that comfort but that

[1:26:45] Voice 11: was because I spent a day with them. Yeah so I mean I think you raised some important questions

[1:26:53] Voice 11: Laura because there's that there's that there's there's the official and

[1:27:02] Voice 9: then there's the building

[1:27:03] Voice 9: the personal relationships and and and they're both important but I think like having like you

[1:27:09] Voice 9: say having some clarity having some guidelines about what's appropriate for an individual trustee

[1:27:16] Voice 9: and and how they represent where they're coming from i mean that's not something we have really

[1:27:23] Voice 9: good information in the within the organization i think a lot of the a lot of the work has been done

[1:27:32] Voice 9: in terms of reaching out has been done over the last you know the four years that

[1:27:36] Voice 9: that I've really seen any reconciliation action happening

[1:27:40] Voice 9: has been done by individuals.

[1:27:43] Voice 9: I think there's place for both.

[1:27:48] Voice 9: The organization's definitely missing

[1:27:52] Voice 9: having that person

[1:27:54] Voice 9: in the senior intergovernmental policy advisor role

[1:27:57] Voice 9: as someone to phone up and say,

[1:27:59] Voice 9: hey, can you give me some advice here?

[1:28:02] Voice 9: Because it was great when we had that as an option then,

[1:28:06] Voice 9: And, you know, hopefully that role will be filled again and it'll be someone that's capable as the last person there.

[1:28:13] Voice 9: there and I love what you're saying about you know that these it's going for the boat ride and

[1:28:21] Voice 9: and having an opportunity to actually spend some personal time that isn't all about formal sitting

[1:28:29] Voice 9: around and and meetings because I think that is the way if you think you build relationships that

[1:28:35] Voice 9: that's much more than than than all formal stuff um and there's obviously there's a place for the

[1:28:44] Voice 9: formal and things as well but uh having access to some some sort of advice from the organization

[1:28:53] Voice 9: so that everyone feels like they're um can act with confidence i think that's that's that's a

[1:29:00] Voice 9: good thing um i'm excited to the to you know what i think we alluded to it earlier in the month

[1:29:08] Voice 9: there but there's uh provinces has doled out some money to islands trust um for protocol and other

[1:29:18] Voice 9: engagements so that's great stuff i'm glad that you know that that's there's there's a pool of

[1:29:27] Voice 9: money that we can ask to differ off on you know again with those uh when we see those um

[1:29:34] Voice 9: opportunities as the ltc

[1:29:37] Voice 7: there's a there's more beyond just us personally

[1:29:44] Voice 7: and that's something we need to work out figure out those opportunities

[1:29:48] Voice 7: i think we also have a responsibility from a community perspective

[1:29:52] Voice 7: um in the early phases of project we make we were very clear we're going out speaking with

[1:30:00] Voice 7: nations we're not aware that we're going out and speaking to our communities to me we do both

[1:30:05] Voice 7: um and i think we also have an obligation to help the community understand you know

[1:30:13] Voice 7: the rights and titles from all these um our things are and why we're taking the time to

[1:30:22] Voice 7: speak to first nations so i think that that falls on us to do some education and context

[1:30:32] Voice 7: I

[1:30:34] Voice 10: think it would be fair to say that the local First Nations, we should really be putting a focus there, because there has been a focus on speaking with the First Nations that aren't exactly

[1:30:47] Voice 9: on Salisbury at the time, not to discredit any engagement that has been in place or in the future engagement, but the

[1:30:56] Voice 10: local First Nations have not been engaged.

[1:30:59] Voice 10: and

[1:30:59] Voice 9: they need to then you know we don't even have to go on a boat trip i'm sure we could

[1:31:04] Voice 9: do something else right here on salt screen and uh something together lunch or something

[1:31:12] Voice 9: it's both

[1:31:12] Voice 7: yes it's absolutely it's absolutely both you

[1:31:16] Voice 10: know what i'm saying that's it's it's

[1:31:17] Voice 10: not the local has not been right for a very long time that actually to the point of being ignored

[1:31:23] Voice 10: and and uh offended and you know there's damage that needs to be fixed there but um

[1:31:33] Voice 9: so that might

[1:31:35] Voice 9: not be a good place to start yeah you know so this is just what i understand like you're talking

[1:31:41] Voice 9: about like members living like first nations members living off living here on salt spring

[1:31:45] Voice 9: and have their families have left here thousands of years okay right they're here okay that's no

[1:31:53] Voice 9: on it's an important engagement consideration and i mean how it's done with the trust fellow

[1:31:58] Voice 9: through our formal engagement process and there's ways to do both so yeah and

[1:32:08] Voice 7: from a short and long-term based level it's um uh we we need to understand co-planning

[1:32:16] Voice 3: especially

[1:32:17] Voice 7: from a ganges perspective um but i think the opportunity i think that i think the

[1:32:24] Voice 7: The co-planning for Ganges is short-term,

[1:32:27] Voice 7: but for ongoing planning,

[1:32:31] Voice 7: we need to learn more about co-planning and co-management

[1:32:34] Voice 7: moving forward and what the future will look like.

[1:32:38] Voice 7: There's not going

[1:32:38] Voice 11: to be less co-planning,

[1:32:40] Voice 11: there's going to be more co-planning.

[1:32:44] Voice 11: Ganges could be a good first step in that process.

[1:32:51] Voice 11: And then there was another piece

[1:32:53] Voice 11: we had

[1:32:54] Voice 7: passed some motions last term

[1:32:55] Voice 7: that have sort of disappeared was,

[1:33:01] Voice 7: looking at using the Westin Lake watershed as a potential pilot for some

[1:33:11] Voice 11: watershed governance

[1:33:15] Voice 11: of opportunities. There's potential funding opportunities

[1:33:21] Voice 7: and other things, but the

[1:33:22] Voice 7: Westin Lake is a good-sized watershed and there's a reserve on that end of the island as well,

[1:33:32] Voice 7: so it was a good good potential candidate uh as a pilot area for that watershed governance work yeah

[1:33:41] Voice 11: okay let's look into that part yeah i

[1:33:45] Voice 2: think um i haven't been thinking against the rest of this

[1:33:48] Voice 2: section here we started we kind of got on to the what we heard part

[1:33:52] Voice 9: and uh we kind of i think the

[1:33:53] Voice 9: planet bucket may have filled out everything with the actions is there anything we've missed

[1:33:59] Voice 9: Well, we can stop at the information section there.

[1:34:03] Voice 9: So, you know, we've talked to the Reconciliation Declaration and Action Plan and the other, you know, more ad hoc work that's happened in the reconciliation realm, the leadership level.

[1:34:15] Voice 9: Policy 6.1.1 is actually a set of First Nations engagement principles.

[1:34:19] Voice 9: So there's sort of wider understanding around how important this policy, I believe, is a 2015 or 2016 policy.

[1:34:28] Voice 9: So it may be in data, but some people will have to go in and dust it off when we get to things like the OCP and reviving the guarantees process.

[1:34:38] Voice 9: And then just recognizing that DRIP is probably the biggest thing that has changed in the last four years.

[1:34:42] Voice 9: So it's sort of, you know, as a long-term investment, the more we invest in our relationship with First Nations, I think the better we'll be able to adapt to changes as a result of peer funding will be likely legislative changes that have an impact on us as the local government.

[1:35:01] Voice 9: So it's sort of recognizing that that is likely to be a trend in the way we move forward and

[1:35:09] Voice 9: how we plan and how we, you know, run projects that aren't derailed, so to speak, by change

[1:35:16] Voice 9: and expectation.

[1:35:17] Voice 9: But, you know, we want to be able to rebuild it again and having good relationships, I

[1:35:22] Voice 9: think, helps us to adapt in that way.

[1:35:26] Voice 9: This is just, I just wanted to highlight this process because we talked about, we talked

[1:35:31] Voice 9: a lot of local processes but um the referral process this is a conversation with claire freder

[1:35:37] Voice 9: um director freighter um the other day just about the the policy um policy statement for our process

[1:35:44] Voice 9: so um so i know we've talked a lot about how do we share communication or everything so um this

[1:35:50] Voice 9: process is kind of what they went through with uh the percentage leadership council um so sort of a

[1:35:56] Voice 9: a referral and then our staff summarize those referral responses to sort of generalize them more

[1:36:03] Voice 9: and then brought them back to the First Nations again to confirm and give them an opportunity to

[1:36:09] Voice 9: edit those comments and that they may have chosen to withdraw or they may have edited them and then

[1:36:16] Voice 9: give their consent regarding that response and from there we end up with a revised consent

[1:36:22] Voice 9: of its memory and that is what informs our project processes so this is all um prefaced by you know

[1:36:29] Voice 9: the engagement work and the relationship building that we we undertake um and you know this is a

[1:36:35] Voice 9: follow-on process of what we do with that referral and how we respond to it um that response um is

[1:36:42] Voice 9: it's sort of what comes after this but um this is you know i just wanted to highlight this as

[1:36:48] Voice 9: one way to consider um exploring options for protocols in the future uh in order to uh resolve

[1:36:55] Voice 9: that that challenge we have sometimes with the way our girls are going home no absolutely but

[1:37:01] Voice 7: there needs to be a parallax that we need to bring the community along we we can have be developing

[1:37:07] Voice 7: these relationships and then it becomes a surprise on the community you know we have this agreement

[1:37:13] Voice 7: remit we've got these policies or the first nations which was a great respectful process

[1:37:18] Voice 7: but then our community gets surprised you know so it's we've got to find that right balance i mean i

[1:37:26] Voice 7: absolutely respect the relationship we need to build with first nations and then and go into it

[1:37:31] Voice 7: but we also have to bring i like the analogy of you know we're trying to bring people in the canoe

[1:37:36] Voice 7: not everyone's going to get in that's that's that is what we're going to have to face that's our

[1:37:42] Voice 7: communities every community is the same we've got a community effort yeah

[1:37:48] Voice 2: i just want to preview this

[1:37:49] Voice 2: and we can we will definitely as we've brought on the on the protocol work um we can bring with that

[1:37:56] Voice 2: um and i think i've heard a lot of what you guys think

[1:37:59] Voice 9: about like where um you know about trust

[1:38:03] Voice 9: council's roles i think we heard a lot about that because there's a need to make it um and

[1:38:07] Voice 9: and direction for local trustees um president when it comes to ltcs um i think there's a really clear

[1:38:15] Voice 9: understanding of the work that you're already doing um and the desire to do more um for office

[1:38:22] Voice 9: i think

[1:38:23] Voice 7: there is not a clear there's not a clear understanding i think that that should be i'm

[1:38:28] Voice 7: uncomfortable and don't know my role and how so i think that's that's i think a disconnect from

[1:38:35] Voice 7: I feel more comfortable trust counsel but when I come here and like I said I I didn't feel that I

[1:38:42] Voice 7: was being allowed or encouraged to go meet with patients myself I didn't feel that okay

[1:38:50] Voice 9: so there's

[1:38:51] Voice 9: a need for that that direction yeah I

[1:38:54] Voice 3: think yeah we

[1:38:55] Voice 9: need to clarify that yeah no I support that

[1:39:01] Voice 9: that notion too and i'd say for myself as uh you know a chair appointed to salt spring galliano

[1:39:10] Voice 9: and hornby that i'm a little bit i'm a little bit at sea i have i have reached out you know

[1:39:17] Voice 9: from an individual level i have at some point but i don't i haven't had advice or any kind of

[1:39:23] Voice 9: training on like what's appropriate and i've done some reaching out i have i've gone on back in

[1:39:29] Voice 9: response and that's you know that's not surprising or unusual in the context of what lots of nations

[1:39:37] Voice 9: have lots of stuff to do with you know responding to an email or a phone call from some guy who may

[1:39:43] Voice 9: not be on their list right but there there is definitely in terms of like there's definitely

[1:39:50] Voice 9: a bit of a vacuum there in terms of like advice to to to local trust many chairs out there

[1:39:57] Voice 11: i would

[1:39:58] Voice 11: would say um you know and uh and the communication pieces for the community and the communication

[1:40:06] Voice 9: and so there's like yeah there's really those two bits it's like the role as as member of the ltc

[1:40:12] Voice 9: and and then like that individual kind of reaching out and uh you know

[1:40:20] Voice 9: i i mean i'd have to say that

[1:40:22] Voice 9: most of what i've been doing has been rooted in previous advice um which is to just go out and

[1:40:31] Voice 9: introduce yourself um

[1:40:33] Voice 8: and but

[1:40:38] Voice 9: yeah i mean given given as even you were alluding to the the the

[1:40:42] Voice 9: importance of of these relationship building um is only it's only going to be increasingly

[1:40:50] Voice 9: important as as drifa is amended and rolled out and fleshed out um i you know i've spent a bit

[1:41:01] Voice 9: of time I just I actually asked uh uh EC to um to uh sponsor my local uh co-trustee there

[1:41:13] Voice 9: Rody and I to to attend some some workshops with uh a teacher from Tlahamen and and who's who's

[1:41:21] Voice 9: doing uh these these bits on uh the modern treaty process and stuff so just basically

[1:41:28] Voice 9: learning opportunities but that's that's getting in there and finding these things and pursuing

[1:41:36] Voice 9: them yourself again there's not that's not uh that's not that's not based on any advice or

[1:41:42] Voice 9: like someone's offering say hey you know here's an idea you might learn more about what's going

[1:41:47] Voice 9: on out there so it's it's been pretty been pretty ad hoc on on the individual level i certainly

[1:41:57] Voice 9: think like going forward it's not going to be that hard but you know I think it's I think it's

[1:42:05] Voice 9: actually a good idea to to for across the organization at the different levels to have

[1:42:10] Voice 9: have some advice especially for new trustees coming in whether they're local trustees or

[1:42:16] Voice 9: or chairs or valentices or whatever to have a little bit of advice like hey you know this is

[1:42:21] Voice 9: an important thing and here's here's some things you might consider doing you know

[1:42:26] Voice 9: officially or non-officially or whatever um but there's yeah there's definitely a lack of

[1:42:32] Voice 9: of formal supports it was better when we did have a senior intergovernmental policy advisor person

[1:42:41] Voice 9: our last person was somebody who said phone me up anytime and uh and and that's great but

[1:42:50] Voice 9: and hopefully that whoever steps into that role will have will be as accessible because

[1:42:54] Voice 9: it's not you know especially when you feel like you're entering territory that you want to be

[1:43:00] Voice 9: respectful you don't want to make any stupid gaffes um but you'd like to take some initiative

[1:43:07] Voice 9: it's it's nice to have some some good advice to go with yeah

[1:43:11] Voice 7: i mean i'd also like to know

[1:43:14] Voice 7: let me at least have some updates on projects in particular uh updates from time to time on you

[1:43:21] Voice 7: know your relationships how they how you know your what conversations you're having with the

[1:43:26] Voice 7: project what's going on you know that that we get some updates throughout the project not just

[1:43:32] Voice 7: you know at the end when we get a staff report it's like bring us along on your on your journey

[1:43:39] Voice 7: and conversations and also don't be afraid to say hey you know it's good time for you to reach out

[1:43:45] Voice 7: because you may be in conversations and that might be a time when we do need to

[1:43:49] Voice 7: if that is if we have a relationship yeah

[1:43:52] Voice 9: yeah no that's a really good point i mean appreciate that

[1:43:56] Voice 9: that staff role that um you know that we do have the odd phone conversation sometimes

[1:44:02] Voice 9: this is between us and then we're just talking and stuff but sometimes it is um you know we have

[1:44:08] Voice 9: really great conversations and um it's it's good for us to be able to share that somehow with you

[1:44:12] Voice 9: so we can definitely explore ways to um share those advancements to the office as well yeah

[1:44:19] Voice 7: Yeah, still needs to because that's that's one political thing be necessary.

[1:44:24] Voice 6: Sorry, I don't know that because, you know, all my projects still with 13 First Nations, and a couple of things one is I was told, time and time again, First Nations, and Lisa will call us, and also the senior advisor on First Nations, before she left, and also

[1:44:45] Voice 6: So Joe Ackerman, Ackerman, Ackerman, he basically said, they basically said, if you want the time, you should pay for it.

[1:44:54] Voice 6: So, and I've been lobbying multiple times saying, you know, you've got to increase capacity funding for us so we can offer that.

[1:45:03] Voice 6: And so that's one thing, but apparently we need more money for our project to coordinate with them.

[1:45:10] Voice 6: And the second thing is, it's also a frustration for me too.

[1:45:14] Voice 6: too. I wasn't clear on, because our coordination is only at the staff level, staff is also on their

[1:45:21] Voice 6: part, too. They make it very unclear for us how much we can bring in at a public meeting to brief

[1:45:27] Voice 6: the trustee, and I take the direction at the, from our advisor at the time, so it would be really

[1:45:34] Voice 6: good, and I really sense some frustration for trustees, too. Trustees should know where we are

[1:45:39] Voice 6: at because at the staff level we have good relationships and we get a lot of advice but

[1:45:44] Voice 6: we couldn't share it so we need some direction from upper management what can we do maybe that

[1:45:52] Voice 6: can be shared with an executive session I don't know but how can we believe our trustee on our

[1:45:58] Voice 6: collaboration it will be really helpful that was because this is kind of new to me too you know

[1:46:04] Voice 6: this is probably almost three years now since I've been in BC this is very new to me and I

[1:46:09] Voice 6: I want to be really collaborating with First Nations,

[1:46:12] Voice 6: but also respectful as well.

[1:46:14] Voice 6: So yeah, I told them, it's not just at your level,

[1:46:18] Voice 6: it's definitely on my level.

[1:46:20] Voice 6: I need to get things done, I need their comments,

[1:46:23] Voice 6: but at what point I can publish their comments.

[1:46:26] Voice 6: Because there are some,

[1:46:27] Voice 6: they actually say they don't want to share it.

[1:46:30] Voice 6: They can be comments like,

[1:46:32] Voice 6: we don't go into the public,

[1:46:33] Voice 6: we are working with government together.

[1:46:35] Voice 6: They're pretty strong in their language, so.

[1:46:38] Voice 6: Yeah,

[1:46:39] Voice 9: and that actually speaks to something that, like, Trust Council just approved a protocol agreement between Trust Council and Snot Ox, but their focus is Leskeet Island, right, where I'm from.

[1:46:58] Voice 9: and um one of the things we got to talk about as we were approaching that protocol agreement

[1:47:07] Voice 9: is how important like what you're just saying is that that that information that

[1:47:15] Voice 9: the nation may not want to share in a public forum but might be important so like what i'm

[1:47:23] Voice 9: looking forward to with this with this protocol and we're going to have this working group

[1:47:27] Voice 9: is that I as a trustee get to be on part of that working group

[1:47:31] Voice 9: and we get to have that discussion with the nation

[1:47:34] Voice 9: and they can say, hey, we want to share some information.

[1:47:38] Voice 9: We don't want this to be public.

[1:47:41] Voice 6: I didn't want to respect that.

[1:47:43] Voice 9: I didn't want to respect that.

[1:47:44] Voice 9: And so how that all plays out,

[1:47:48] Voice 9: but I'm hopeful that with the additional funding from the province

[1:47:53] Voice 9: that we can get more of these protocol agreements in place

[1:47:57] Voice 9: that that do like this one that with us not us where we are committed to making a working group

[1:48:05] Voice 9: to actually be able to sit down and discuss issues and it's not a public meeting um and we can talk

[1:48:12] Voice 9: about one of the things we talked about in our agreement or our discussion leading up to the

[1:48:17] Voice 9: protocol is like being able to have those discussions about okay this part share this

[1:48:24] Voice 9: with the public but you know we probably don't want to share this part and and to be able to be

[1:48:29] Voice 9: really clear so that we can as as local trustees and staff whatever to be really clear about

[1:48:35] Voice 9: what is totally fine to share in a public level and and and what's considered culturally sensitive

[1:48:42] Voice 9: information um then yeah so hopefully hopefully more of these type of protocol agreements that

[1:48:49] Voice 9: lead to that type of working group a little less formal but uh but highly based on respect and can

[1:48:58] Voice 9: improve that interface so that you know again it's about as us as elected people having some

[1:49:06] Voice 9: confidence that we're being respectful and we're and when we're

[1:49:11] Voice 8: working

[1:49:12] Voice 9: we're we're doing

[1:49:13] Voice 8: the right

[1:49:16] Voice 9: things and and and not you know incidentally either making a mistake by putting out information

[1:49:23] Voice 9: that's not not meant to be shared or just feeling like we can't say anything um and that's probably

[1:49:30] Voice 9: not the case either no i don't think it is not so yeah so

[1:49:34] Voice 9: yeah getting getting some confidence as

[1:49:37] Voice 9: as local elected people where where we stand and what's what's good to share and what and what

[1:49:44] Voice 9: that should be kept in confidence.

[1:49:48] Voice 9: I think that's something we can take away.

[1:49:51] Voice 9: You know, it's something we all take away, I guess,

[1:49:53] Voice 9: that we all think, you know, in our individual groups,

[1:49:55] Voice 9: that we all have to kind of pick up the chain

[1:49:58] Voice 9: and try to find ways to work that forward.

[1:50:02] Voice 9: There's actions, I think, for all of us here, so.

[1:50:04] Voice 9: The actions.

[1:50:06] Voice 9: Mr. Chair, we are getting to about five minutes to go here.

[1:50:10] Voice 9: Got one more topic, and then we've got

[1:50:12] Voice 9: a bit of a rundown on projects.

[1:50:14] Voice 9: So Flatter Garbo is needing to catch a ferry.

[1:50:20] Voice 9: So I don't know.

[1:50:25] Voice 9: She did want to just bring up one item of business,

[1:50:28] Voice 9: just there was a grant opportunity

[1:50:29] Voice 9: that we wanted to get some,

[1:50:31] Voice 9: just a quick resolution from you on, okay?

[1:50:35] Voice 6: Just to move that forward.

[1:50:37] Voice 9: And I don't know if we get kicked out of this room

[1:50:41] Voice 9: at four o'clock or uh if we can stay a bit longer and i

[1:50:44] Voice 7: don't think anyone's kicking you out at four

[1:50:47] Voice 7: no

[1:50:47] Voice 9: no it's probably afternoon i don't think it's uh yeah

[1:50:49] Voice 9: so um with your permission sure maybe just ask platter garbo to um to bring that forward

[1:51:04] Voice 9: on

[1:51:05] Voice 6: the grant yeah yeah they are first potentially uh few grants but one for sure um should compete

[1:51:13] Voice 6: for it and that's from uh ministry of housing uh the baby have the funding but it will be

[1:51:20] Voice 6: administered through ubcm so then it's the deadline is june 13 or something um that one

[1:51:28] Voice 6: would allow us to get the prior consultant to analyze the data that we can get from ICI society.

[1:51:36] Voice 6: And ICI society is an organization that kind of collects all the data from all municipalities

[1:51:45] Voice 6: across BC. And it's open data. If you're a member, you can access. When I say open,

[1:51:50] Voice 6: it's if you're a member, you can access. And they can also collect more. Like we're working

[1:51:56] Voice 6: with them already to talk about our ocp we need more information about sewer capacity wastewater

[1:52:03] Voice 6: and all that they can't reach out to crd and they will they said they just comply information they

[1:52:09] Voice 6: don't analyze we need to get a consultant to do that and they also let us know about this funding

[1:52:15] Voice 6: available so we would like to compete for it but we need a resolution that's our ltc endorsed

[1:52:21] Voice 6: But rather than naming specific applications, we wanted the ability to find any grants that

[1:52:29] Voice 6: we feel can help us in our project.

[1:52:32] Voice 6: So if LTC can endorse us to apply for grants or to support our UCP project,

[1:52:40] Voice 11: that would

[1:52:41] Voice 11: be great.

[1:52:45] Voice 6: Oh, there's another one too, the Accelerator area.

[1:52:49] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:52:49] Voice 7: The Accelerator.

[1:52:50] Voice 7: I mean, I'm absolutely...

[1:52:54] Voice 7: fine with a blanket type of a but i do there does need to be you

[1:53:02] Voice 11: know be nice to have um

[1:53:08] Voice 11: i get to see some details and deliverables as being you know identified with

[1:53:14] Voice 7: with that so

[1:53:16] Voice 7: that makes sense yeah isn't that correct well

[1:53:20] Voice 9: if i understand correctly i think there's a need

[1:53:23] Voice 9: to understand um the scope of what we're proposing in the grant um before we go ahead and submit

[1:53:30] Voice 9: that's kind of and that it's it's aligned but even if we haven't got the project charter to

[1:53:36] Voice 9: the final point that we need to have some agreement on the direction that we're putting

[1:53:41] Voice 9: forward in the grant kind of commitments that we'll be making in order to do that i would almost

[1:53:46] Voice 9: rather see a resolution without meeting type of thing grant

[1:53:49] Voice 10: applications there's something we can

[1:53:51] Voice 10: do quickly and put a bit of an explanation on each one whenever it comes up and then the

[1:53:58] Voice 6: only

[1:53:59] Voice 6: concern with this one is because it's coming up let's

[1:54:02] Voice 10: do this one now

[1:54:02] Voice 6: yeah they tend to do that

[1:54:04] Voice 6: they give you a month notice and then say and then

[1:54:09] Voice 10: any any new ones other green ones today

[1:54:11] Voice 10: let's just don't we can't do a resolution yeah

[1:54:14] Voice 7: no it's fine i'm just

[1:54:15] Voice 7: saying for me it's i'd like

[1:54:16] Voice 7: to know that over time there's a deliverable it does we don't wait till yeah we don't wait

[1:54:21] Voice 7: till the project is done 18 months from now we have an ocp update somewhere buried in there

[1:54:27] Voice 7: is this report that this deliverable should come to us um you know when it's when it's done so you

[1:54:34] Voice 7: get the grant funding you get the consultant and why are you getting so it's nice to know

[1:54:38] Voice 7: what the purpose of it that the deliverable is shared with us okay when

[1:54:43] Voice 7: it's complete later

[1:54:48] Voice 11: I think we could even go so far as to bring the grant

[1:54:51] Voice 9: application back to LTC to make it available for your review, and we would have authority to go ahead and apply for it.

[1:54:59] Voice 9: I

[1:54:59] Voice 6: don't know if we have time, though, because it's June 13th.

[1:55:03] Voice 9: We could submit it, but understanding the deliverable early on is going to be important, so whatever we identify in the grant would be something we could bring back.

[1:55:12] Voice 9: And just, you know, regardless of the submission timeline, we'll just bring it back at some point to LBC, you know, possibly after or before, depending on the timing, for your interest, I mean, or for your information.

[1:55:26] Voice 7: Oh, absolutely. I'm for every grant we can get.

[1:55:29] Voice 7: Sure, yeah. I

[1:55:31] Voice 10: am and I'm not, and I'm leery, because it could be for who knows what,

[1:55:35] Voice 4: right?

[1:55:36] Voice 10: Right. Is it something, you know, just because it's in a resolution without meeting and then there's no

[1:55:42] Voice 7: time.

[1:55:44] Voice 7: I just, yes, nice to know. But this

[1:55:45] Voice 7: one today clearly is a great opportunity to get it done.

[1:55:52] Voice 11: I've suggested language for today.

[1:55:55] Voice 6: No, I didn't know we could do it for this time.

[1:55:59] Voice 9: What's the, we have the title of the grant or?

[1:56:03] Voice 6: It's a complete community.

[1:56:17] Voice 11: I would suggest that the, I think, you know what, if the

[1:56:34] Voice 2: local trust committee could pass a

[1:56:36] Voice 2: resolution that the, that staff be authorized to submit an application for the complete

[1:56:44] Voice 11: community's funding.

[1:56:50] Voice 6: Because I don't know exactly the name, but it's the grant application

[1:56:57] Voice 6: through the BCM.

[1:57:00] Voice 11: It's just called

[1:57:01] Voice 11: Complete Communities.

[1:57:04] Voice 6: I'm still looking at the website.

[1:57:08] Voice 6: There's lots of

[1:57:08] Voice 6: funding sources.

[1:57:10] Voice 2: It's the

[1:57:11] Voice 2: 2023

[1:57:12] Voice 9: -2024

[1:57:13] Voice 9: Complete Communities Program.

[1:57:18] Voice 11: The funding stream.

[1:57:27] Voice 11: We do have a formal

[1:57:28] Voice 11: minute

[1:57:28] Voice 2: taker on the line today.

[1:57:31] Voice 2: Kathleen.

[1:57:32] Voice 2: I couldn't see your whole name on there.

[1:57:35] Voice 2: i don't know if you're able to come on the line or if you're on the phone hello

[1:57:38] Voice 11: hi hi catherine

[1:57:40] Voice 2: sorry your name is blocked by our whiteboard so i couldn't quite apologize for that yes

[1:57:45] Voice 1: well the

[1:57:46] Voice 1: motion that i've captured for now is that the salt spring island local trust committee okay uh author

[1:57:55] Voice 1: authorized staff to complete an application for complete communities funding for the 2023-2024

[1:58:02] Voice 1: for a Complete Communities Funding Program.

[1:58:09] Voice 11: All right.

[1:58:11] Voice 11: I will so move that.

[1:58:13] Voice 11: All right, second.

[1:58:15] Voice 11: Excellent.

[1:58:16] Voice 11: Any further discussion?

[1:58:18] Voice 11: All in favor?

[1:58:21] Voice 9: Wonderful, and thank you for that chapter, Catherine.

[1:58:23] Voice 9: You're awesome.

[1:58:24] Voice 7: Is there a sporting chance we could put together

[1:58:26] Voice 7: an application for the Housing Accelerator Fund?

[1:58:29] Voice 9: We will have a chance to talk about that

[1:58:30] Voice 9: at a May meeting, and we are working vigorously on it.

[1:58:35] Voice 9: that's good

[1:58:36] Voice 11: news great that's what i'll be working on

[1:58:46] Voice 11: okay so that was the time so now

[1:58:49] Voice 9: we're we are just over time here in the situation

[1:58:52] Voice 9: we do have one more um section here just on operational improvements so it's really more

[1:58:57] Voice 9: about ways and we can just work on at the staff level um so this is a conversation we're gonna

[1:59:04] Voice 9: have an hour, we can do it another day, what we like, and I don't know if we can get into

[1:59:08] Voice 9: the work program, so this may be an opportunity to discuss if we're not going to be built

[1:59:15] Voice 9: into a future agenda, if there's a preference for that.

[1:59:18] Voice 7: Yeah, no, I think it would be good to talk about it, because I think we need, I'm keen,

[1:59:26] Voice 7: as I'm working on the corporate planning things as well, is to understand better ways,

[1:59:30] Voice 7: project charter is not enough detail you know so it's like it's just not enough detail and we need

[1:59:37] Voice 7: to find ways of uh you know getting better detail on you know the activities and deliverables so

[1:59:43] Voice 7: their expectations are better lined up and it's like i get central sanity it's very clear certain

[1:59:48] Voice 7: activities that we know when our deliverables are and those decision points that are coming to us

[1:59:53] Voice 7: and i think there's just a bit more information would be helpful you know we don't i want to

[2:00:00] Voice 7: people were planning on creating the thing but i think this is a table or a project and it makes

[2:00:07] Voice 7: it very clear in activity and politicals and it

[2:00:09] Voice 9: was simple sandwich this

[2:00:11] Voice 7: is central center

[2:00:13] Voice 7: this is their work they call it perfect terms of reference for the area planned but it's a sample

[2:00:21] Voice 7: of a level of detail it must have had levels of detail of collagen too that were different

[2:00:28] Voice 11: Maybe we can just jump into the operating improvements.

[2:00:38] Voice 9: I think under the what we heard, I

[2:00:41] Voice 4: think I actually

[2:00:43] Voice 9: had this originally in what we understand,

[2:00:46] Voice 9: but this is sort of because we haven't had this conversation, so, but it really is, there's

[2:00:52] Voice 9: I think the desire to coordinate with other governments and service providers.

[2:00:56] Voice 9: Desire?

[2:00:58] Voice 9: An expectation?

[2:00:59] Voice 4: expectation expectation

[2:01:02] Voice 9: expert comes up later the the the the concentrated approach to major

[2:01:08] Voice 9: projects particularly you know so this was a conversation i think that you remember this

[2:01:13] Voice 9: series clearly in january 26th so then there's um there are some you know like when it comes

[2:01:21] Voice 9: to information i didn't really go into project lbc projects too much but um the governance

[2:01:25] Voice 9: its report speaks to you know our our structure and most those those that work that's ongoing

[2:01:32] Voice 9: um and then our work time which is really what drives um what we do as well as our bylaw and

[2:01:37] Voice 9: policy set so but our follow-up action lists our active projects and our future progress is really

[2:01:42] Voice 9: what um what sort of shape our work plan but um the service and interpretation is pretty much

[2:01:50] Voice 9: policy, bylaws, and cultures.

[2:01:54] Voice 9: On that, I guess the questions we have for the discussion are what are your perceptions

[2:01:59] Voice 9: of our biggest operational challenges?

[2:02:02] Voice 9: What do you see as future challenges for service delivery in the Salt Spring office?

[2:02:13] Voice 7: More time in the project definition base and getting that clarity like this where the activities

[2:02:18] Voice 7: and deliverables are very clear.

[2:02:22] Voice 7: um and also we are not municipality in other forms and we are we are the ones that are most

[2:02:31] Voice 7: in touch with the community and that we have community information meetings and workshops

[2:02:35] Voice 7: and other things that we need to be we need to be involved in the present times that's um

[2:02:41] Voice 7: um just what

[2:02:43] Voice 9: what it is like involved in that preparation material communication materials

[2:02:49] Voice 9: but also yeah but also

[2:02:50] Voice 7: being in the workshops and things yeah

[2:02:52] Voice 9: but it's not just community goes

[2:02:55] Voice 7: that's something we need to be part of that because that's hearing and experiencing because

[2:02:59] Voice 7: we may experience it a little differently because we live here i'm

[2:03:02] Voice 10: not sure how to fit this in but

[2:03:04] Voice 10: i think it has to do

[2:03:05] Voice 9: with some of the challenges future challenges we spoke about it so there's

[2:03:12] Voice 9: community

[2:03:13] Voice 10: uh initiative and trying to do this clean and safe harbor initiative um they've gone

[2:03:20] Voice 10: to a lot a whole lot of work but it the book it boils down to what i can what i see and what some

[2:03:28] Voice 10: others are stating is that we just that just doesn't have the jurisdiction to do what they

[2:03:34] Voice 10: want to do but they have brought forth information and then gone off the bylaw that's existing that

[2:03:41] Voice 10: states that we have some kind of jurisdiction over the heart of it but in reality it looks like we

[2:03:48] Voice 10: don't and so that's difficult for me when i've got community members going off parents trust

[2:03:55] Voice 10: violence and they're trying to do something positive using that but in reality we don't

[2:04:03] Voice 10: have the jurisdiction and maybe there's something that's to be done about those

[2:04:08] Voice 10: of bylaws that are existing where we don't have

[2:04:10] Voice 11: any jurisdiction should they just be existing

[2:04:15] Voice 11: bylaws we don't have to do jurisdiction or we don't have a right to be saying creating a bylaw

[2:04:20] Voice 11: but

[2:04:21] Voice 10: if

[2:04:22] Voice 11: you want to say there's no little words allowed in the heart

[2:04:24] Voice 11: and yeah we don't have jurisdiction to say that the water is messy

[2:04:32] Voice 11: well no it's it's

[2:04:35] Voice 10: like no we don't have the jurisdiction but we have a bylaw stating

[2:04:39] Voice 10: that living courts aren't allowed at the heart but we can't be saying that because we don't

[2:04:43] Voice 10: have jurisdiction over that boys are by the ministry of land so

[2:04:48] Voice 7: i think i think you could

[2:04:49] Voice 7: sum up that as a challenge just

[2:04:50] Voice 10: an example no

[2:04:51] Voice 7: i know i agree i said it's a challenge for the

[2:04:54] Voice 7: future is clarifying you know and understanding um and there's jurisdiction and and that relationship

[2:05:01] Voice 7: i spoke to before there's a question of jurisdiction but there's also this question

[2:05:05] Voice 7: coordination that we have the working with or in cooperation with part of our mandate so it's

[2:05:12] Voice 7: you know

[2:05:13] Voice 7: I think that's where I think spending that time in a project definition phase of really

[2:05:19] Voice 7: clearly identifying you know partners expectations and all of that at that time is really well worth

[2:05:28] Voice 7: it because it's frustrating when you get part with our project and you know I'm thinking that

[2:05:33] Voice 7: you are working with other parties or not you know so we need to spend that time or we're in

[2:05:40] Voice 10: the project and then realize we don't shouldn't be in this project we don't know business well

[2:05:44] Voice 10: we

[2:05:45] Voice 7: should have figured that

[2:05:46] Voice 7: out the project that but then we shouldn't have gotten it has to go

[2:05:48] Voice 7: yeah that's what i'm saying yeah no no it's uh it's really taking our time i'm i'm a big advocate

[2:05:54] Voice 7: of going slow and go fast understand

[2:05:58] Voice 11: that time okay so verified jurisdiction um you want to go

[2:06:10] Voice 11: back i just jumped down to strike some actions are there yeah

[2:06:16] Voice 9: we can we can do that work um i mean i

[2:06:18] Voice 9: think if there are bylaws that aren't really clear i think what might be happening there

[2:06:22] Voice 9: the others trust that she does have land use regulation authority over every actually unlike

[2:06:29] Voice 9: like municipalities, we actually have further land use authority because we do actually have

[2:06:36] Voice 9: authority over those waters, but all the way up to the natural high water market of Vancouver

[2:06:44] Voice 9: Island where there's no municipality. So we do have that ability. We don't regulate that very

[2:06:51] Voice 9: far out because it's simply not operationally feasible to regulate land use in active fisheries

[2:06:58] Voice 9: essentially but when it comes to issuing mortgages or buoys and all of that that is regulated by the

[2:07:14] Voice 9: process there is there is it's kind of a four-day activity to do and then when it comes to you know

[2:07:22] Voice 9: navigable water than anything else that that involves these these better jurisdictions

[2:07:27] Voice 9: you know it's um it is an inter-jurisdictional web that we we have to navigate and you know

[2:07:35] Voice 9: as far as policing the harbor for example that's simply um you know as it stands that's not a

[2:07:40] Voice 9: certain city we provide we don't know if there's something well we

[2:07:43] Voice 10: don't really have jurisdiction

[2:07:44] Voice 10: like anybody can come and drop for the boat drop an anchor yes

[2:07:47] Voice 9: and stay on we can't tell them to

[2:07:49] Voice 9: leave no we can we can give them a land use bylaw infraction essentially right this is only infraction

[2:07:55] Voice 9: but when it comes to other activities that's going on there that might be unsafe for humans

[2:08:00] Voice 9: like uh you know not safe for the environment or uh the human health hazards those things typically

[2:08:06] Voice 9: fall under other jurisdictions and it's not unlike the work that we do in violent enforcement right

[2:08:11] Voice 9: now uh when it comes to enforcing uh in in collaboration with the crd on land right so

[2:08:17] Voice 9: but it's just a different group of actors that we partner with.

[2:08:23] Voice 9: I do have

[2:08:24] Voice 7: another operational efficiency thing.

[2:08:28] Voice 7: Just this week at the Fruitful Island Economic Forum,

[2:08:31] Voice 7: everything was about donut economics and all of that.

[2:08:34] Voice 7: A regional district in Nanaimo embraced donut economics.

[2:08:39] Voice 7: But there was a conversation in particular,

[2:08:41] Voice 7: because donut economics is not what it is.

[2:08:44] Voice 7: It's about living within your boundaries.

[2:08:45] Voice 7: And we had a good question about that.

[2:08:47] Voice 7: because we talked about it all the time with islands we have because that was the rural

[2:08:50] Voice 7: islands we have a constraint and we tend to use the constraints as as trying to make them even

[2:08:57] Voice 7: more constrained or knows things like that and uh they played a bit of kate roberts so tend to talk

[2:09:03] Voice 7: about you know what what it really means to work within the boundaries and it's and um you know

[2:09:09] Voice 7: she says it's unleashing the potential for humanity to thrive you have to be more creative

[2:09:15] Voice 7: it um and you know more participation more belonging um you know there's just so creativity

[2:09:22] Voice 7: and innovation is what requires you to work harder when you have the constraints and i think

[2:09:28] Voice 7: that from an operational standpoint that's what i want i want your jobs to be exciting interesting

[2:09:32] Voice 7: and thrilling as well but it's it's just that i know sometimes it's easier to think that okay

[2:09:41] Voice 7: if we add more constraints that that's that's that's solving the problem where that's driving

[2:09:46] Voice 7: more equity issues because the wealthy can overcome those those constraints because they

[2:09:51] Voice 7: have the money to do so um but it really forces us to be far more creative and and innovative in

[2:09:57] Voice 7: our thoughts and processes of you know with with that in mind so i think that's from what i would

[2:10:03] Voice 7: be encouraging for better operational so let's let's stretch and think for those and take the

[2:10:09] Voice 7: time to be innovative and

[2:10:12] Voice 11: creative and

[2:10:13] Voice 3: create

[2:10:26] Voice 11: that

[2:10:29] Voice 7: environment i'm not saying don't think of it right

[2:10:31] Voice 7: in the sense that's just about every project everything we have coming at us we should be

[2:10:36] Voice 7: you know yes we all understand we live on an island that's constrained it's got boundaries

[2:10:41] Voice 7: where we get it really fast you gotta get a ferry um you know so it's it's just trying to find you

[2:10:49] Voice 7: You know, I've said more innovative and creative ways

[2:10:51] Voice 7: of what we have to do,

[2:10:52] Voice 7: bylaws and creating things and planning and so forth.

[2:10:58] Voice 7: Islanders, by nature,

[2:10:59] Voice 7: know and understand that to most degrees.

[2:11:01] Voice 7: You know, we argue about the few that move here that don't.

[2:11:04] Voice 7: But, you know, we're not trying to regulate the few.

[2:11:06] Voice 7: We're trying to regulate the many.

[2:11:08] Voice 7: And most islanders, you know,

[2:11:10] Voice 7: inherently understand constraints for the most part.

[2:11:14] Voice 7: So it's working within being innovative

[2:11:17] Voice 7: to overcome some of these barriers that we face all the time like water is a good example to

[2:11:22] Voice 7: figure out how to be innovative on finding

[2:11:24] Voice 11: solutions rather than just saying no water no

[2:11:30] Voice 11: okay i think that's a challenge that i appreciate that challenge i think it's

[2:11:35] Voice 11: something that we need

[2:11:35] Voice 9: to think about as we go forward

[2:11:39] Voice 9: you know i think we can we can come with ideas and hopefully um you know the big thing that

[2:11:44] Voice 9: the staff will always look for is this um championship on the part of the leaders right

[2:11:49] Voice 9: so it'll be um we're taking rest of the list before um we're supporting that and i appreciate

[2:11:56] Voice 9: that that's absolutely and

[2:11:58] Voice 7: i see that's yeah the stress act allows us that opportunity

[2:12:02] Voice 7: provinces we can go tell the province what we need sometimes we always sometimes they

[2:12:07] Voice 7: can use that it's great it's like the al alr you know i know it's hard not to crack but

[2:12:12] Voice 7: But, you know, if we have a solution that would work better in Rwanda, we should invest it.

[2:12:18] Voice 7: We're your advocates to go up to Trust Council and say, let's go beat, you know,

[2:12:22] Voice 7: put

[2:12:22] Voice 9: it

[2:12:23] Voice 8: out there, propose it, you know.

[2:12:30] Voice 8: So

[2:12:31] Voice 2: the next slide, we actually kind of get into a little bit more of the part

[2:12:35] Voice 9: of our job.

[2:12:38] Voice 9: So just understanding more about the service expectations and just any,

[2:12:43] Voice 9: I definitely heard a lot about this in terms of reporting or engagement expectations in

[2:12:49] Voice 9: the work of the NSI office.

[2:12:51] Voice 9: I definitely heard a lot about that around some of the engagement work that we do and

[2:12:58] Voice 9: ways that we can better update you.

[2:12:59] Voice 9: So I've definitely taken a lot of notes away about that.

[2:13:03] Voice 9: We can work with that.

[2:13:05] Voice 9: We can work on our LPC projects program to provide more project updates and we kind of

[2:13:12] Voice 9: get into the swing of things.

[2:13:13] Voice 9: um do you have other service expectations other things that um that are not addressed i guess

[2:13:20] Voice 9: i'd

[2:13:20] Voice 7: like to have access to the boardroom that's tim's job to go to ec i already

[2:13:26] Voice 7: sent an email to

[2:13:27] Voice 7: ec i

[2:13:28] Voice 9: have uh contacted mr houghton teller and asked him to investigate what needs to happen

[2:13:35] Voice 9: for that to happen because

[2:13:37] Voice 7: it's not i mean some community members are just more comfortable and

[2:13:40] Voice 7: I don't know, there may be some community members

[2:13:41] Voice 7: I'd be more comfortable meeting with

[2:13:43] Voice 7: if I know I'm in the boardroom.

[2:13:45] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:13:49] Voice 2: That's

[2:13:49] Voice 9: one of those stranglers,

[2:13:50] Voice 9: yeah, we're still working through that.

[2:13:51] Voice 9: So, and I think it's definitely there, so.

[2:13:55] Voice 7: It's closed right now because of COVID.

[2:13:57] Voice 7: Yeah,

[2:13:58] Voice 9: the publishing hasn't been fully.

[2:14:02] Voice 7: It's a nice professional space for us

[2:14:04] Voice 7: to meet with people.

[2:14:08] Voice 7: That's official.

[2:14:09] Voice 7: It is official.

[2:14:11] Voice 3: yeah definitely

[2:14:12] Voice 8: uh yeah yes he says he

[2:14:16] Voice 9: needs to update himself and discuss the occupational

[2:14:21] Voice 9: health committee i think it's i think it's working its way through so um hopefully that'll be uh

[2:14:26] Voice 9: some crucial next incoming uh i can report that i sent a query and got an initial response

[2:14:34] Voice 9: i think

[2:14:34] Voice 7: i mean i won't i won't mince words right now i'll trust it's all of us

[2:14:42] Voice 7: have a tarnished reputation not just on this island i think what we need to earn that trust

[2:14:49] Voice 7: back and earn those that the relationship with our community so i mean we all have work to do

[2:14:55] Voice 7: on that one i think we work better together on i know let's demonstrate that we can be

[2:15:01] Voice 7: creative and give good work to the community and

[2:15:09] Voice 9: okay well and i really appreciate that that dialogue i um this is sort of intentionally

[2:15:14] Voice 9: of a more of a high level uh conversation and uh for being able to take that away and

[2:15:20] Voice 9: so much of the conversation we've had today has been um kind of pointing at this and how

[2:15:25] Voice 9: we operate as staff so uh i think there's a lot that we can bring back so i don't think we're

[2:15:30] Voice 9: to get into the uh go away and do a breakup and come back part of this conversation today so um

[2:15:38] Voice 9: but i i think we've got some we have some actions chris out of this

[2:15:41] Voice 9: uh i mean yeah jurisdictions kind of short-term initial one

[2:15:47] Voice 9: anything else there's some shorter long-term people i'd really like to hear more on what

[2:15:52] Voice 9: jurisdiction we have in the heart it's essentially the same as we have a plan

[2:15:56] Voice 9: the land use authority, right, so the use itself wanted to, if you've got a lease on the province,

[2:16:05] Voice 9: for example, water, they said, yep, you can have a lease, you can have a boat cooling

[2:16:11] Voice 9: dock there if you want. You would still have to comply with local zoning, and zoning would apply

[2:16:16] Voice 9: in the harbor under the, you know, our bylaw, our land use bylaw. That's the extent of our

[2:16:24] Voice 9: our authority, really, that is, it all-

[2:16:27] Voice 9: Finding the use,

[2:16:29] Voice 11: the final use.

[2:16:30] Voice 11: The use, yeah.

[2:16:33] Voice 11: But it's different than going out and licensing a boat

[2:16:36] Voice 11: to

[2:16:36] Voice 7: do something in that area.

[2:16:39] Voice 7: That's-

[2:16:40] Voice 7: We were talking about,

[2:16:41] Voice 7: what's the

[2:16:41] Voice 9: thing you were mentioning,

[2:16:42] Voice 9: that legal term,

[2:16:45] Voice 9: that as far as you go,

[2:16:47] Voice 9: but it's going to be 50%.

[2:16:50] Voice 9: A

[2:16:51] Voice 7: license to occupy.

[2:16:53] Voice 7: That's, I don't know.

[2:16:54] Voice 7: I just know that like from the Bay,

[2:16:57] Voice 7: Bowen Island has had to get a license to occupy the province

[2:17:02] Voice 9: because Chris is making it so those

[2:17:03] Voice 9: are those would be that that's basically the right of the land right so as a landowner um you have

[2:17:10] Voice 9: you have your land and then it's so subject to land use same thing applies all that all that

[2:17:15] Voice 9: water land uh it's crown land so it's leased from the ocean floor yeah yeah so the water itself is

[2:17:22] Voice 9: is considered you know it's provincial it's crown land so when you when you do something on the

[2:17:28] Voice 9: water essentially on crown land and in most cases if it's a marina it's typically a lease of that

[2:17:34] Voice 9: land from the province so you need a

[2:17:36] Voice 7: license to occupy to be controlled

[2:17:39] Voice 7: as

[2:17:40] Voice 9: i understand it

[2:17:41] Voice 9: the province owns the we do have ocean the floor so that we don't have the federal government

[2:17:48] Voice 9: the government actually has water column oops it's messy yeah but we can't say you can't do

[2:17:56] Voice 9: this you know well

[2:17:57] Voice 7: that's use that's you that's use so

[2:18:00] Voice 9: we can't you can't yeah you can have you

[2:18:03] Voice 9: can have water water zoning um anywhere within the local trust area boundaries and I mean some

[2:18:11] Voice 9: I know in some cases, some of them

[2:18:14] Voice 8: have a W-2 water board zone, so they permit marine navigational aids,

[2:18:27] Voice 8: docks accessory to the residential use of the upland bog, and nothing else in that zone.

[2:18:34] Voice 8: There are

[2:18:36] Voice 9: opportunities, too.

[2:18:39] Voice 7: well it's just like it's like a piece of land you're leaving this only you're allowed to have

[2:18:43] Voice 7: a house but you have to go to the crd to get a building permit you know it's so it's it it's

[2:18:48] Voice 7: the same with water it's like if you want to put a warning buoy in you've got to go to someone else

[2:18:52] Voice 7: to get permission um but

[2:18:55] Voice 10: if you're anchored up there it's because i know i'm just going to kind

[2:18:57] Voice 10: of get mixed messages yeah we've talked to work before you're saying we can't do anything about

[2:19:01] Voice 9: what's going on there but he's chris is saying well we can't well anchorage and anchorage and

[2:19:07] Voice 9: and warring is different, right?

[2:19:10] Voice 9: Because the right to drop an anchor

[2:19:12] Voice 9: as opposed to the right to hook up

[2:19:16] Voice 9: to a permanent device on the bottom

[2:19:20] Voice 9: are two very different things from the point of law.

[2:19:23] Voice 9: I couldn't like delineate all the differences,

[2:19:27] Voice 9: but they are quite a bit different

[2:19:29] Voice 9: in terms of the rights and the regulation.

[2:19:32] Voice 9: And so what I've heard is that the device is on the Vaughan, and our boys, in general,

[2:19:42] Voice 9: are controlled by the military, but 70% of the boys in BC are not, which surprised me

[2:19:55] Voice 9: enough.

[2:19:56] Voice 9: Yep.

[2:19:56] Voice 9: People are

[2:19:57] Voice 7: dropping them everywhere.

[2:19:58] Voice 7: yeah

[2:19:58] Voice 9: what anyways it would be nice to know what would be done and not done it's going to come to

[2:20:07] Voice 9: us in one of the soon you know meetings that are coming up here and people are you

[2:20:12] Voice 10: know fired up

[2:20:13] Voice 10: and they want something done and we'll have to i'm assuming say something all lines of what we

[2:20:20] Voice 10: need to find out if we can't do anything

[2:20:22] Voice 9: yep

[2:20:24] Voice 7: step one yeah linger the project definition

[2:20:30] Voice 7: That's still looking at

[2:20:32] Voice 8: what extreme zoning links are in place and what the permitted uses are.

[2:20:40] Voice 8: That's

[2:20:41] Voice 9: probably a good place to start.

[2:20:43] Voice 9: My understanding at this point, and I don't know if it's true or what seems to be a very reliable source,

[2:20:50] Voice 9: course is that the harbor authority has jurisdiction to say no little words and what they're

[2:20:59] Voice 9: they're

[2:21:00] Voice 7: still in a zone use and

[2:21:02] Voice 10: they can say

[2:21:03] Voice 9: no live aborts in

[2:21:05] Voice 10: that whatever waters they've said

[2:21:06] Voice 7: no live aborts in any of the zones we don't allow live aborts whether you're in a marina or not

[2:21:11] Voice 7: that's our use that's set by us but

[2:21:16] Voice 10: we don't we're not we're not even sure we have jurisdiction to

[2:21:18] Voice 10: just say that in all the places.

[2:21:20] Voice 9: We can't say that in a down-to-the-mole area.

[2:21:24] Voice 9: Nobody's getting a buoy in a down-to-the-mole water, right?

[2:21:28] Voice 9: That's a different, you know,

[2:21:31] Voice 9: a shipping tanker can drop an anchor

[2:21:35] Voice 9: in a down-to-the-mole water, apparently,

[2:21:36] Voice 9: but I wouldn't think for the down-to-the-mole waters

[2:21:40] Voice 9: you could have a buoy in a down-to-the-mole water.

[2:21:46] Voice 9: Anyway, so it's coming down the right way here.

[2:21:52] Voice 9: We're going to have to be hearing more.

[2:21:53] Voice 9: I can say that the violent enforcement,

[2:21:55] Voice 9: like our violent enforcement manager is alive to the issue

[2:21:57] Voice 9: and that it is an actor,

[2:21:59] Voice 9: but they are looking at ways to navigate that process

[2:22:03] Voice 9: and aware that the lovely weather we're getting outside

[2:22:06] Voice 9: is not going to improve the situation.

[2:22:08] Voice 9: So as much as I would say in an open meeting,

[2:22:12] Voice 9: but it is something that we continue to recognize

[2:22:15] Voice 9: as a priority and something I'm sure

[2:22:18] Voice 9: that we'll be hearing more about more in the next update.

[2:22:20] Voice 9: And

[2:22:21] Voice 7: that's an offer. I mean, I asked, I'm glad that email was sent to us about potential enforcement that was going to be done.

[2:22:28] Voice 7: I think that the heads up is appreciated on the side.

[2:22:35] Voice 7: I

[2:22:36] Voice 9: just forwarded you an email

[2:22:39] Voice 6: about the main island.

[2:22:40] Voice 9: What are they?

[2:22:43] Voice 6: I think

[2:22:44] Voice 9: maybe we wait.

[2:22:46] Voice 6: Yeah, so let's just get these boxes here.

[2:22:49] Voice 6: and this table that shows which sounds like this is our but there there are a bunch of our

[2:22:58] Voice 6: and we

[2:22:59] Voice 9: legally can do that

[2:23:00] Voice 7: so trustees

[2:23:02] Voice 9: i'm just wondering if we want to uh if we want to just go

[2:23:05] Voice 9: ahead and call the meeting uh to adjournment today and then catherine can get on with her day and uh

[2:23:13] Voice 9: and is there anything else you can ask when we get a chance

[2:23:17] Voice 9: you get a chance could you email me what you should yeah thank you sorry

[2:23:21] Voice 9: so are we all right with adjourning the meeting yes sir okay so executive all in favor

[2:23:28] Voice 9: wonderful so well adjourn this meeting

[2:23:31] Voice 8: thank you everyone for your parts today thank you

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Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
 
Date:  
Location:  
Friday, April 28, 2023 
Salt Spring Island Multi Space 
124 Rainbow Rd, Salt Spring Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 Laura Patrick, Local Trustee 
 Jamie Harris, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Chris Hutton, Regional Planning Manager (RPM) 
 Louisa Garbo, Island Planner 
 Chris Buchan, Planner 2  
 Katherine Vogt, Recorder 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Peterson called the meeting to order at 1:00 pm.  He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations, and welcomed Trustees and Staff. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. CLOSED MEETING 
 3.1. Motion to Close the Meeting 
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At 1:04 p.m., It was MOVED and SECONDED, that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust 
Committee close this meeting to the public subject to Community Charter Section 90 (1) (i) 
the receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including communications 
necessary for that purpose; and that staff be invited to remain. 
CARRIED 
By general consent, the meeting was re-opened to the public at 2:07 pm. 
3.2. Rise and Report – None 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
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4. BUSINESS ITEMS 
4.1 Strategic Directions and Work Program Review 
Planner Hutton presented by power-point a review of the four Trustee-prioritised 
categories elicited from the previous January 26, 2023 electronic Special Meeting 
Workshop, for further discussion and feedback: ‘Improving Housing Affordability;’ 
‘Agricultural Planning;’ ‘First Nations Relationship Building;’ and ‘Operational 
Improvements.’ 
A Trustee noted that BC Ferries alignment with community planning was a newly 
realized future opportunity that could be considered for future discussion; also, 
telecommunications issues; short term vacation rentals (STVR)s issues, and Fulford ferry 
terminal and neighbourhood congestion could be considered. 
Regarding ‘Improving Housing Affordability,’ the following Trustees’ responses were 
noted: 
 Current housing zoning outcomes are inequitable, exclusionary, and inadequate. 
 The environment has been given much more priority over the decades than 
housing. 
 The possibility of allowing workforce ownership housing in the form of building 
strata projects to be managed by a housing authority; and which would involve 
rezoning or up-zoning Rural and Rural Uplands Zones across the board to allow a 
density of 1 home per acre or ½ acre. 
 Salt Spring has an especially high rural workforce population given the 3 ferries, 
the hospital, the schools, the grocery stores, and other establishments. 
 No worker can afford to buy a house on Salt Spring; they need the opportunity 
to purchase a home for their own security and the stability of the community. 
 Workers need housing options from ownership to rentals. 
 Worker housing options could be 75% ownership to 25% rentals. 
 Who is collecting data on real estate purchases, building permits and other such 
housing and demographic data? 
 Ganges is a critical identified growth area; but may be a much slower option 
than rezoning for workforce housing. 
 Can other village sites on Salt Spring be identified to create a longer-term 
strategy of connected nodes of compact villages, rather than rural spread? 
Planner Hutton referenced the Trust wide Housing Toolkit and Housing Action plan; and 
noted that the Salt Spring Solutions Housing Report was appreciated and being 
reviewed by planning staff.  
Planner Hutton asked the Local Trust Committee (LTC) how they saw their role as 
coordinators, advocates, and decision-makers? The following Trustees’ responding 
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 The need for coordination between the LTC and the Capital Regional District and 
that CRD elections results affects the LTC.  
 The Trust Policy Statement is only one input that does not include inputs from 
other external agencies; so, the LTC must act as coordinators. 
 The local Official Community Plan (OCP) from 2008 has not been implemented, 
and the local Land Use Bylaw (LUB) is substantially from 1999. 
 The meaning of advocacy is working cross-jurisdictionally for the greater good, 
which involves reaching out to Provincial decision makers. 
 At the recent Housing Summit, it was acknowledged that social media 
necessitates very early Trust and LTC public engagement to prevent escalating 
public confusion and concern. 
 How can the LTC deal with untrue, incorrect, or non-neutral Trust-level 
information that whips up climate anxiety for anti-development aims and 
implicates the LTC? 
 How can the LTC deal with non-governmental organizations (NGO)s threatening 
legal action against LTC attempts to alleviate the housing crisis? 
 All voices in the community should be listened to, no matter their perspective. 
 Absolute community consensus is probably not achievable, but greater levels of 
consensus is worth striving for. 
 
The meeting was recessed at 2:48 pm and reconvened at 2:52 pm. 
Regarding ‘Agricultural Planning,’ the following Trustees’ responses were noted: 
 The possibility for a no net loss approach to free up Agricultural Land Reserve 
(ALR) land that is boxing in Ganges by trading it for non-ALR land that is 
currently being farmed.  
 Ganges should preserve good working farmland; not all ALR parcels in Ganges 
need to be freed up for further development. 
 Long-term local food production and security is important. 
 Estates have been taking over farmland.  
 Bowen Island is looking at new approaches to agricultural land that could be 
reviewed. 
 The recent Agricultural Action Lab included much discussion regarding current 
ALR housing rules not meeting farm workers housing needs. 
 The Salt Spring Area Farm Plan was not ever implemented due to the Covid 
Pandemic; but it engaged the community very well. Composting rules needs 
rewording in the bylaws. 
 The Agricultural Land Commission (ALC) is much more aligned with flat land 
squarish property parcels such as in Chilliwack, than with Salt Spring Island, 
which has many split landscape zones that promote new owners to seek 
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creative and functional applications on the many landscapes within it. It is 
beneficial for farms to stay complete. 
 Some farms may be ideal to be broken up into smaller 10-acre farms; this could 
increase food production and provide for more housing. 
 
Regarding ‘Agricultural Planning’, Planner Buchan noted the following: 
 
 The public cannot apply to exclude their own land from the ALR, it must be done 
by the LTC singly or in batches. 
 Local agriculture groups include the Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee 
for current ALR applications and the Agricultural Alliance. 
 For mapping, there is the Canada Land Inventory; the BC Soil Information Finder 
Tool that classifies soil types, and ALR and Trust mapping. 
 Soils are classified from 1 to 6, with soils 1 to 3 being the most desirable. 
 ALR maps of Salt Spring reveal that a considerable amount of ALR land is not 
aligned with desirable growing soil. 
 All of Ganges is classified as desirable type 3 soil, even though most of it is 
outside of the ALR.  
 The ALC prefers large contiguous land parcels. 
 Current OCP policy includes the allowance for rezoning of agricultural land to 
general employment uses if necessary for the community. 
Regarding ‘First Nations Relationship building,’ the following Trustees’ responses were 
noted: 
 Trustees need Trust guidance on what is appropriate for First Nations 
engagement; and updated information regarding First Nations elections results; 
and education opportunities. 
 Recent Thetis Island LTC boat tours with local First Nations elders were an 
excellent relationship-building exercise, which resulted in the LTC feeling at ease 
with contacting Band staff. 
 The previous Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor is no longer available to 
offer advice, and the role has yet to be refilled. 
 The LTC has a responsibility to the community to help them understand First 
Nations perspectives and engagement processes so that they are not left 
surprised. 
 There are many First Nations members living on Salt Spring Island.  
 The Weston Lake Watershed Area had been considered for a pilot project for 
shared governance. 
 Funding was needed for First Nations engagement. 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
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Planner Hutton provided a summary of the current First Nations referral process; and 
highlighted the importance of local government alignment with the principals of the 
Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act (DRIPA). 
Planner Garbo noted that First Nations were particular about sharing culturally sensitive 
information with the public. 
 
Planner Garbo asked Trustees to consider a June 2023 deadline grant opportunity from 
the Ministry of Housing, administered through the Union of BC Municipalities (UBCM). 
This funding would allow planners to hire a consultant to analyze the data from the 
Integrated Cadastral Information Society (ICI Society) regarding sewer and wastewater 
capacity, to further the advancement of the OCP Project. 
 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee authorize staff to submit an 
application for ‘Complete Communities’ funding from the 2023/2024 ‘Complete 
Communities’ funding program. 
CARRIED 
Regarding ‘Operational Improvements’, the following Trustees’ responses were noted: 
 The Project Charter does not provide sufficient detail for activities and 
deliverables. 
 ‘Perfect Terms of Reference’ for the Area Plan of Central Saanich is an example 
of a higher level of detail local government planning document. 
 Project definition clarity from the very beginning of a project is very important. 
 LTC’s are different from municipal governments because local Trustees are 
more deeply embedded in the entirety of their communities. 
 There are existing, unjustifiable local bylaws about buoys in the harbor. 
 Doughnut economics is about living within boundaries and responding to 
constraints creatively. 
 Access to the executive boardroom for a meeting space would be helpful. 
 There is work to do with regaining the community’s trust in the Islands Trust. 
 
The interjurisdictional web of the harbor was discussed, including that anchorage and 
mooring were legally distinct; and that the local LUB already does not permit live aboard 
in any zones. 
 
 
  
5. ADJOURNMENT 

 
 
 
 
 
 
Salt Spring Island ADOPTED 6 
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By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 4:27pm. 
 
 
 
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Timothy Peterson, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Katherine Vogt, Recorder