North Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, May 5, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 5: we

[0:00:00] Voice 2: don't have

[0:00:20] Voice 2: thank you very much

[0:00:30] our marriage ready

[0:00:31] Voice 6: to go ready

[0:00:33] Voice 5: to go okay everybody

[0:00:58] Voice 6: thank you for joining us today in our this meeting of the

[0:01:02] Voice 6: the trust committee i want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able

[0:01:08] Voice 6: to gather today in locations across territory the coast people i'm david maude elected on

[0:01:16] main island and chair of the federal trust committee

[0:01:20] Voice 6: i actually should say north pedro

[0:01:22] Voice 6: to change that i'm joined today by north pender island trustees aaron campbell and deb morrison

[0:01:28] Voice 6: and uh together we make a plan around the local trust committee uh this meeting is being live

[0:01:32] Voice 6: streamed it's also being recorded and will be available soon on the island's trust website

[0:01:36] Voice 6: we have some staff members joining us today we have robert kajima who is the regional planning

[0:01:41] Voice 6: manager of island's trust summit office um we have brad smith who is our island planner

[0:01:46] Voice 6: um we'll be joined a little bit later on by warren dingman who's about a manager of violent

[0:01:50] Voice 6: enforcement um this meeting is the official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions

[0:01:56] about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business i want to add this place

[0:02:01] of

[0:02:01] Voice 6: employment despite many staff members or their homes our staff have the right to a safe and

[0:02:06] respectful workplace and i'll just also just um quickly welcome

[0:02:11] Voice 6: friend unroll as our minute taker

[0:02:13] Voice 6: she's new to this position and we promise all to be nice to her right

[0:02:19] thank you okie dokie so our first thing to do is have the approval

[0:02:24] Voice 6: of the agenda

[0:02:26] Voice 6: does anybody have any additions or anything to that i

[0:02:30] Voice 2: have a question we

[0:02:31] Voice 6: do questions um

[0:02:32] Voice 6: just

[0:02:33] Voice 2: about the um town hall at the end for whatever reason we've always had a town hall at

[0:02:38] Voice 2: the end right i could just to follow up okay yeah for some reason i think it's just because of the

[0:02:42] Voice 2: way the clothes these meeting landed this time okay yeah

[0:02:46] Voice 2: i guess so

[0:02:47] Voice 6: so it is there but it but

[0:02:49] Voice 6: it's you just think it's a little bit yeah it's fine yeah okay cool all right all right so by

[0:02:55] Voice 6: consent we'll approve the agenda all right so we'll get right into it with the trustee report

[0:03:00] Voice 6: who wants to be the first um different not having a

[0:03:08] Voice 3: meeting in april and going six weeks in between

[0:03:17] Voice 3: almost kind of got out of out of the rhythm of some things but to spend a lot of time

[0:03:24] Voice 3: meeting with people pretty much every weekend seems to be an opportunity to get together with

[0:03:30] Voice 3: somebody and chat about different things that are going on in the island and a lot of stuff about

[0:03:35] Voice 3: housing people are really concerned about what what we can do or what they'd like to see happen

[0:03:42] Voice 3: all those still tree tree cutting point with folks um

[0:04:02] Voice 2: so first i apologize if folks have not

[0:04:05] Voice 2: i haven't been as responsive on email um i've been really ill for the last month i'm just

[0:04:11] Voice 2: recovering from pneumonia um so i apologize for that um and uh but somehow still in all of that

[0:04:20] Voice 2: i went to the uc housing summit um in vancouver i was one of the uh stressed um delegates to that

[0:04:26] Voice 2: that was super interesting.

[0:04:27] Voice 2: That was very urban focused solutions to housing.

[0:04:31] Voice 2: There was a small contingent of folks

[0:04:33] Voice 2: that were working on more rural solutions for housing.

[0:04:36] Voice 2: So some really great ideas in that space.

[0:04:41] Voice 2: I think the conversations over the last six weeks,

[0:04:47] Voice 2: so six weeks have been around those different issues.

[0:04:52] Voice 2: Some of the sort of enforcement concerns

[0:04:54] Voice 2: having like follow-up conversations with folks around that um the you know different strategies

[0:05:02] Voice 2: on how we think about forest management on the island um and how we bring into play folks with

[0:05:08] Voice 2: fire smart like so there's a really interesting conversation going on around different forms of

[0:05:14] Voice 2: fire smart and how we understand that because like saturnia fire smart has been really different than

[0:05:20] Voice 2: and how do we handle it here on this island so really thinking um and how do we pull a conversation

[0:05:25] Voice 2: together of all those different actors on that space so it'll be interesting part of our

[0:05:29] Voice 2: conversation today hopefully um so thanks to all the various letters and emails and feedback from

[0:05:35] Voice 2: all those different fronts it's been really helpful to think about that with folks so thank

[0:05:39] Voice 2: you all

[0:05:40] Voice 6: right from chair's perspective we've we've again been quite busy and lots of running around

[0:05:48] Voice 6: lots of dealing with issues where it's great everybody is working together so well um we we

[0:05:55] Voice 6: just had a meeting a couple of weeks ago of quite a few of the southern golf house trustees um the

[0:06:02] Voice 6: crd director um senior crd staff and senior isles trust staff and the theme of the meeting was was

[0:06:12] Voice 6: was we're getting oftentimes sort of an urgent

[0:06:18] sort of spin on regulations versus

[0:06:21] Voice 6: our rural communities.

[0:06:22] Voice 6: And what was great was everybody who was at the meeting

[0:06:26] Voice 6: and the other authorities with BHA, CRD,

[0:06:28] Voice 6: and I was dressed acknowledged and said,

[0:06:30] Voice 6: yeah, you know, maybe we've gone a little bit too far.

[0:06:33] Voice 6: And there was a willingness to talk about discretion

[0:06:38] Voice 6: and kind of making it a little bit more world.

[0:06:41] Voice 6: I know that on Pender you've had issues with people selling bread and cookies and soups and all that.

[0:06:48] And

[0:06:48] Voice 6: the senior manager seemed to be, within reason, quite genuinely surprised.

[0:06:56] Voice 6: On Main Island, our one that we hang our hat on was outhouses.

[0:07:04] Voice 6: And it's great because outhouses are good because everybody understands.

[0:07:09] Voice 6: there's a difference between an outhouse in oak bay and an outhouse on main island and

[0:07:14] Voice 6: in oak bay it's not normal i mean how it is and and it was it was great between the crd

[0:07:20] Voice 6: the islands trust and and then v hop all said how houses are not an issue is it yes technically

[0:07:27] Voice 6: speaking if you go down the rabbit hole they're not they're not because they're not specifically

[0:07:32] Voice 6: handled within the legislation they're not permitted but they're saying we do not enforce

[0:07:36] Voice 6: outhouses do not worry about outhouses outhouses are cool so it was it was nice to be able to have

[0:07:42] Voice 6: like half day meeting and everybody came just to a reasonable agreement of common sense

[0:07:50] Voice 6: because oftentimes it's hard to get common sense and it was it was very positive so that that was

[0:07:57] Voice 6: my habit the last couple of months but we've also

[0:08:00] Voice 6: trust council i think we we did the budget since

[0:08:02] Voice 6: to our last meeting that was a good process um we went a year ago when we did it it was a difficult

[0:08:11] process like we literally went down to the last hour and

[0:08:14] Voice 6: a lot of stress and a lot of emotions

[0:08:17] this this one

[0:08:18] Voice 6: was a much more smoother process and i think it set sort of the the foundation for

[0:08:24] Voice 6: next year's budget process which will be the first time this trust council's been involved in the

[0:08:28] Voice 6: whole process that it will be really really nice and smooth and informative and i think a happier

[0:08:36] place um we've been doing a lot of issues on housing recently um

[0:08:42] Voice 6: i'm unfortunate because um

[0:08:45] Voice 6: i remember local trust committee on main island that's done a lot of housing stuff over the past

[0:08:51] Voice 6: years but i'm also the chair on denman island which has had housing on its radar for literally

[0:08:57] Voice 6: early decades and this is the year that they're actually making giant steps and and so they've

[0:09:02] Voice 6: just set up a housing advisory committee um so much energy in that community and so much positive

[0:09:09] Voice 6: and between Maine and Devon they seem to be sort of forging the road forward um to to show how it

[0:09:17] can be done and other level trust committees

[0:09:20] Voice 6: are going to be sort of gathering in behind and so I

[0:09:22] Voice 6: think there's going to be a lot of positive news in the next year or so about housing on the gulf

[0:09:27] Voice 6: islands where you know we haven't really been making a lot of progress so i know i'll end up

[0:09:32] Voice 6: asking it's a happy place thank you we don't have anything from our crd director um although i know

[0:09:43] Voice 6: he's been very busy they uh he of course participated in our meeting but also the

[0:09:49] Voice 6: the latest um crisis on saturn that between the local trustees adam olson and director brett have

[0:09:58] Voice 6: been dealing with this um highways that cut a whole bunch of trees down on the side of east

[0:10:04] Voice 6: point roads um it was a strange situation because what happened is there were a few trees that they

[0:10:12] were

[0:10:12] Voice 6: worried because east side road where it is basically there's road oceans right low bank maybe

[0:10:17] Voice 6: four feet above sea level um and so there's a row of trees and there were some concerns about some

[0:10:22] Voice 6: trees falling over and maybe disrupting the road so they had an arborist come over and he identified

[0:10:27] Voice 6: i think it was 12 trees but it was appropriate to take out so they contacted them who's the

[0:10:34] Voice 6: contractor who contacted capital tree services who came over and they took the 12 trees out

[0:10:39] Voice 6: and another 46 um and everybody started to pull their hair out and i i will say the the saturn

[0:10:50] island trustees led the charge and animals and paul brent were very very very very vocal

[0:10:56] and very very strongly represented the ministry and i will say the ministry came back very

[0:11:02] apologetic and and i don't there was an email chain there i don't know how long it went on

[0:11:08] and

[0:11:09] Voice 6: they went through the whole process.

[0:11:11] Voice 6: They said this was absolutely wrong, all that.

[0:11:14] Voice 6: They've made the contract to go back

[0:11:16] Voice 6: and as part of the problem was they fell all the trees

[0:11:19] Voice 6: into the ocean, which is so, and they just left.

[0:11:23] Voice 6: So they made the contract to come back with a crane

[0:11:26] Voice 6: and a logging truck to remove all the trees.

[0:11:28] Voice 6: The trees have gone to First Nations for firewood

[0:11:31] Voice 6: and it just cost the contractor a lot of money.

[0:11:34] Voice 6: But the difficulty is because the deciding

[0:11:37] Voice 6: is probably they can't have any remediation because these are legacy trees that basically

[0:11:43] Voice 6: have grown up in the in amongst the rocks and all that and you're not going to plant a ceiling and

[0:11:48] Voice 6: have it come back and so we're there's it's tough but that's what's happening other islands and then

[0:11:55] Voice 6: i just i will give sort of kudos a to the trustees being animals but also to to very much sort of to

[0:12:03] Voice 6: paul brent who went out and documented it and then he was the first person ringing the bell

[0:12:08] Voice 6: and really standing up for his community so all righty um so we'll move on down to town hall um

[0:12:16] Voice 6: there's only four people here so but i don't think i have to to read the long

[0:12:21] Voice 6: the laundry list of rules but we just like it to be short and simple and to the point and

[0:12:28] Voice 6: um when you get up if you just put your hand up and identify yourself for the minute taker

[0:12:34] Voice 6: and we'll pop through this. So does anybody have anything to contribute to Donald?

[0:12:39] Voice 3: I just could you repeat the number of trees that were actually cut now?

[0:12:44] Voice 7: 58. Michael Sketch, North Bender Island. Michael Sketch, North Bender Island.

[0:13:03] Respecting the proposed DPA rules,

[0:13:09] rules. There is a

[0:13:18] Voice 7: something done.

[0:13:19] Voice 2: Okay, yeah. Okay. It's recommendation. Okay,

[0:13:23] Voice 2: you're not proposing. Sorry.

[0:13:26] Voice 4: In regard to the report,

[0:13:27] Voice 2: or

[0:13:28] Voice 4: commenting on the

[0:13:31] Voice 3: wording of the report, and I don't know at

[0:13:33] Voice 3: what stage you are in consideration of all this, but I

[0:13:37] Voice 3: i think it was taken from the galliano um it's a suggestion that um on lots larger than

[0:13:47] three acres for north bender that you consider increasing the example amount at the moment

[0:13:54] it is five trees per hectare and if a lot

[0:14:01] Voice 3: has a house and a cottage and realistically

[0:14:05] Voice 3: particularly on larger lots people tend to use firewood for leading but in the staff report you

[0:14:13] Voice 3: calculate for a 20 centimeter tree and say a 40 centimeter tree per 50 feet or whatever how many

[0:14:19] cords of wood that is how many units matter by a cubic feet so the public can understand what

[0:14:26] they're allowed

[0:14:27] Voice 3: to cut on their lawn and is it likely to to satisfy the need for firewood which

[0:14:32] Voice 3: i think is a really important consideration thank

[0:14:37] Voice 6: you thank you anybody else all right thank you

[0:14:41] very much um so we don't have a community information meeting we do not have a public

[0:14:47] meeting or public hearing we do have some minutes quite a few minutes that just need to be adopted

[0:14:54] um by consent so we'll just walk

[0:14:56] Voice 6: through them one at a time um so nine point one local trust

[0:14:59] Voice 6: committee special meeting minutes dated march 11 2023 any additions comments so adopt those

[0:15:08] local trust committee minutes dated march 17 2023

[0:15:11] Voice 6: so everybody's cool with that local trust public

[0:15:14] Voice 6: hearing record dated march 17. everybody's good with that um section okay so then in the second

[0:15:21] Voice 6: place we do not have any resolutions about meetings we do not have any advisory planning

[0:15:26] Voice 6: planning commission is because we don't have that one.

[0:15:30] Voice 6: Businesses arising from the minutes,

[0:15:31] Voice 6: follow up action list.

[0:15:34] Voice 6: I believe Leonard Smith would be the one going through that.

[0:15:42] Voice 4: I don't think there's anything.

[0:15:43] Voice 4: I don't have anything particular to speak to

[0:15:46] Voice 4: unless you have any questions on the follow up action list.

[0:15:49] Voice 4: Stuff was done this month.

[0:15:52] Voice 6: Well, yeah, it's nice to see all these wonderful

[0:15:54] Voice 6: completed, completed, completed.

[0:15:56] Voice 6: There seems to be a trend amongst the LTCs

[0:15:58] Voice 6: it's very positive

[0:16:00] Voice 5: all right

[0:16:03] Voice 6: um we have no delegations we have a significant correspondence

[0:16:10] package um with uh concerns over forestry um there's 48 listed here which are on our website

[0:16:19] has been circulated trustees and

[0:16:21] Voice 6: some other stuff has counted subsequently so i don't know if you

[0:16:28] Voice 6: want a discussion just receiving a package i have

[0:16:31] Voice 2: a quick question

[0:16:32] Voice 6: absolutely um

[0:16:34] Voice 2: so um

[0:16:36] Voice 2: my question is around how we're thinking about correspondence more generally it's not

[0:16:45] Voice 2: specifically about the forestry correspondence it's how we're thinking about correspondence

[0:16:49] Voice 2: in our decision-making process and because i've been asked questions about that related to community

[0:16:56] Voice 2: community um and so i'm wondering if we can just have a like five or ten minute conversation about

[0:17:03] Voice 2: like what is the impact of correspondence on our decision making based on just to make that

[0:17:08] Voice 2: transparent because um there is a feeling right now in some parts of our communities that

[0:17:18] Voice 2: correspondence sways us fully one way or another and of course it's a component of our decision

[0:17:24] Voice 2: making but um like how do we take it into account with staff information with our understandings of

[0:17:34] Voice 2: our community with like the mandate of the trust i guess is the question so i would love to hear

[0:17:38] Voice 2: folks and thoughts about that um because i don't have a good because we're a new council i don't

[0:17:44] Voice 2: have a good understanding of how you think about course so

[0:17:49] Voice 6: like from my personal perspective

[0:17:52] is that it all feeds the conclusion of the discussion.

[0:17:58] It's that everything that comes across my desk,

[0:18:02] whether it be a staff report,

[0:18:04] whether it be a town hall meeting,

[0:18:06] whether it be email correspondence,

[0:18:09] it all feeds

[0:18:11] Voice 6: basically my decision-making process.

[0:18:16] Voice 6: The only thing that bothers me are the form letters.

[0:18:20] Voice 6: and we haven't seen that on

[0:18:23] Voice 6: Pender Island but on other islands

[0:18:24] Voice 6: we've seen that where people

[0:18:27] Voice 6: basically copy and paste an email

[0:18:28] Voice 6: and we'll get 80 of them

[0:18:30] Voice 6: and it's just like this is really burning through my time

[0:18:35] Voice 6: and so

[0:18:36] Voice 6: sometimes

[0:18:38] Voice 6: honestly if I'm speaking

[0:18:40] Voice 6: outright wrong I'm more

[0:18:42] Voice 6: likely to be a little bit not happy

[0:18:44] Voice 6: about that and it might

[0:18:45] Voice 6: actually sway me to be going in the other direction

[0:18:49] Voice 6: because

[0:18:49] Voice 6: if people

[0:18:51] Voice 6: i'm not going to say wasting my time because in the public process you never waste anybody's time

[0:18:56] Voice 6: but when you're just copying and pasting you're not meaningfully contributing to the conversation

[0:19:03] Voice 6: um so i just but i i would say that everything has impact and very much encourage people to

[0:19:12] participate in any way they can and whether it be a town hall whether it be in sending emails

[0:19:20] Voice 6: mails or even bending your ear to the coffee shop because if we don't know the whole perspective

[0:19:27] because everybody brings something unique to the table then you know we're not making the

[0:19:31] right decision um and so it's it's and you know any effort um to to sort of dampen people's voices

[0:19:40] and that's one of the things that as a chair i've done at almost every one of the ltcs i've let

[0:19:47] let people speak too much and I have had people yell at me saying you shouldn't be letting people

[0:19:53] speak so much but to

[0:19:56] Voice 6: me I really like to tell somebody sorry your two minutes is up it's time

[0:20:00] Voice 6: to sit down because you know you have something to say you're part of the process and you know

[0:20:06] Voice 6: I'm allowed to babble on for an hour so you know for me to give you another five minutes to

[0:20:12] Voice 6: contribute to what I'm trying to make a decision making process I'll have a problem with it and

[0:20:16] Voice 6: and some people do and i and i have been spoken to sometimes in very severe ways by people saying

[0:20:23] Voice 6: you're not supposed to be doing that but i i think it's all part of the process um and as

[0:20:28] Voice 6: long as people are polite and respectful and contributing to the process bring it on so

[0:20:33] Voice 6: that's where i'm at i i appreciate

[0:20:41] Voice 3: the emails because that's doesn't or that stops people from

[0:20:45] Voice 3: attacking me in the grocery store but at the same time it's very much a similar similar approach in

[0:20:54] Voice 3: that i spent a lot a lot of time just listening to what folks have to say and i and i would have

[0:21:03] Voice 3: to admit though that when somebody knew or i see a new name on an email or something like that it

[0:21:10] Voice 3: does it's kind of like i'd like to hear what this this person has to say because i quite often you

[0:21:18] Voice 3: do see that it's not like it's the same people that are that are emailing about a certain issue

[0:21:24] over and over and over again where you can see that you've gotten you know three or four emails

[0:21:29] from the same person pertaining to the same subject

[0:21:32] Voice 3: and valid you don't discount how those

[0:21:36] Voice 3: those people feel but then when you see a new a new name that pops up in your email chain it's

[0:21:42] Voice 3: like okay like cool let's let's see how this person feels about it they call it the grocery

[0:21:47] Voice 3: store and getting that whole you know you may not know who i am but i voted for you discussion and

[0:21:53] Voice 3: you look at a person like who they are but then to hear what they have to say and and what their

[0:22:01] Voice 3: perspective is on it i do enjoy the engagement aspect of listening to their body and i do think

[0:22:10] Voice 3: that if there is some value to people taking the time to lend a voice something so yeah

[0:22:22] Voice 2: so i think

[0:22:24] Voice 2: i really value written communication because especially when it's an email form sent to south

[0:22:30] Voice 2: ireland because we all say and i think it's really important from a transparency point of view that

[0:22:36] Voice 2: we all see community thinking so whenever i talk with people i often just send an email

[0:22:43] Voice 2: to all of

[0:22:43] Voice 2: us so some of the things that we've you know just been checking out while we're like starting here

[0:22:49] Voice 2: i don't hear that don't write and so from my perspective i really encourage each of us when

[0:22:58] Voice 2: we are talking to people to like send things in an email because i need to hear that too i need

[0:23:03] Voice 2: to hear directly and i do hear some of that in the conversations but like we know different

[0:23:07] Voice 2: people will like out themselves to us differently depending

[0:23:10] Voice 7: on how they hold it or

[0:23:11] Voice 2: not right so

[0:23:12] Voice 2: that's totally fair i understand that but we are both we are all three you're elected officials

[0:23:18] Voice 2: and we need to be in the loop

[0:23:20] Voice 3: i think i think people in our

[0:23:25] Voice 3: community at least there's is a

[0:23:27] Voice 3: comfort level in approachability with folks and there are people that want to be able to

[0:23:33] Voice 3: to give you their opinion in the hopes that you they elected you to be their champion yes in a

[0:23:41] Voice 3: sense right and they don't want to put their name to a correspondence and they don't want to see the

[0:23:47] Voice 3: entire island having a look at you know their name or their address or whatever information

[0:23:53] Voice 3: ends up going on their email and that becomes difficult to know how to balance some of that

[0:24:01] Voice 3: stuff where their opinion is no less valid um but but i agree but like in everything it's like you

[0:24:10] Voice 3: want right write it send me an email you know you can even just summarize what what this whole

[0:24:17] Voice 3: discussion has been in a couple of quick notes and send it in so that everybody else sees it

[0:24:21] Voice 3: but people are still reluctant or they feel like they've

[0:24:26] Voice 3: gotten it off their chest and that's like

[0:24:28] Voice 3: okay i'm

[0:24:29] Voice 6: good but one of the things that you've noticed i've done quite a few of the tree cutting

[0:24:34] Voice 6: emails i've been addressed to me individually and it's not clear if it's been sent to anybody else

[0:24:38] Voice 6: and i forwarded the basically the ltc because it's sometimes people bcc or they they send the same

[0:24:49] Voice 6: email like three separate times and so if anything that where there's an issue before us and and i

[0:24:57] Voice 6: don't think that you've you've received the loop i basically just always forward into the to the

[0:25:01] Voice 6: federal lpc because that way everybody can say everybody's on the same table so yeah

[0:25:08] Voice 2: and i and

[0:25:08] Voice 2: i hear you because i know that there are folks that don't like to be more public in their things

[0:25:16] Voice 2: and but you know in those situations like nothing personally i always tell them to go and talk to

[0:25:21] Voice 2: as well um and the approachability thing like i've heard that like the people won't approach

[0:25:28] Voice 2: me sometimes like and not

[0:25:30] Voice 2: that you're saying that i

[0:25:31] Voice 5: just want to

[0:25:31] Voice 2: name it that people have said to me

[0:25:34] Voice 2: like that they won't approach me because i'm all that that's narrative says put out there that's

[0:25:37] Voice 2: not who i am you know like so just i would really encourage people to be reaching out to me directly

[0:25:46] Voice 2: because i really appreciate the conversation i

[0:25:49] Voice 3: i think i i yeah i wasn't directing it at

[0:25:52] Voice 3: yeah but i know like the same thing with david yeah i've had people say well like i don't really

[0:25:57] Voice 3: know i really know him right like what do you think of the guy from main island kind of a thing

[0:26:03] Voice 3: right just because

[0:26:04] Voice 3: they don't have a they

[0:26:06] Voice 4: don't have a level

[0:26:07] Voice 3: of comfort to have that discussion

[0:26:08] Voice 3: so they're not you know they're not gonna gonna try to approach you necessarily and and i think

[0:26:15] Voice 3: that people also misunderstand the way that we're able to communicate with each other because they

[0:26:22] Voice 3: feel like well if they tell me yeah then

[0:26:25] Voice 3: i can have a discussion with you or the three of us

[0:26:29] Voice 5: can

[0:26:29] Voice 3: have a discussion that doesn't necessarily happen in this forum right

[0:26:34] Voice 5: that's not but it's

[0:26:35] Voice 3: but it literally is we come together once a month or you know every other month and the discussion

[0:26:43] Voice 3: in his head here and when and then and to your point you know when it's me saying well so-and-so

[0:26:49] Voice 3: said this to me or so-and-so said that there isn't the same validity to when it is in a written form

[0:26:55] Voice 3: and it is presented no less valuable but even

[0:27:00] Voice 2: if they just talk to me as well then at least two of

[0:27:03] Voice 2: us heard it from the source and

[0:27:04] Voice 2: we're better because nothing personal but i can't like from

[0:27:08] Voice 2: a transparency point of view you can't just say oh that's not that partly you know we have to kind

[0:27:13] Voice 2: of make decisions on the information and

[0:27:14] Voice 6: i'll certainly say it is a dependent people haven't

[0:27:17] Voice 6: been shy to approach me on the ferry because we do share very often but but also it isn't

[0:27:23] personally for me as as chair i lean on you to to bring the community perspective because

[0:27:29] Voice 6: physically you know i am disconnected from your island socially i'm disconnected from your island

[0:27:33] Voice 6: it and so like you i hope you never see me bringing a strong personal opinion into this

[0:27:40] Voice 6: because i because my opinion is somewhat uninformed and and so you know i i really

[0:27:45] Voice 6: lean on the local trustees to basically give me the lay of the land and where things are going

[0:27:50] Voice 6: and my job is to share the meaning and so is is that i just i can't imagine myself coming in

[0:27:59] Voice 6: and was thinking I should say fish farms

[0:28:04] Voice 6: and me saying, I want a fish farm there.

[0:28:08] Voice 7: And

[0:28:09] Voice 6: I just, I wouldn't do that.

[0:28:10] Voice 6: Like you guys would have to come to me and say,

[0:28:12] Voice 6: we want a fish farm.

[0:28:14] Voice 6: And then we'd have a discussion

[0:28:15] Voice 6: and then we'd figure out what the right approach would be.

[0:28:19] But

[0:28:19] Voice 6: I think it's so important that people talk,

[0:28:23] Voice 6: particularly to you two, if it's a talking part.

[0:28:26] Voice 6: But in the emails and all that,

[0:28:28] Voice 6: is everybody's on the same page.

[0:28:30] Voice 6: it really really helps because we have to make a decision and if you're dealing with one piece

[0:28:34] Voice 6: of information that the other two of us don't have you know then maybe you're going down the

[0:28:40] Voice 6: right track and we're going down the wrong track so yeah no it's a good discussion

[0:28:45] Voice 5: thank you okay

[0:28:48] Voice 6: all righty so we're happy with that okay so application referral we have a referral from

[0:28:54] leave saturn island local trust to me um it's a fairly straightforward one i don't know that you

[0:29:01] don't

[0:29:01] Voice 6: have any commentary about it's

[0:29:03] Voice 4: just like this is

[0:29:05] Voice 6: a saturn referral

[0:29:07] Voice 4: uh it is just a uh

[0:29:10] Voice 4: bylaw referral to rezone a portion of a property from rural residential to rural general to allow

[0:29:16] Voice 4: a lot averaging to uh create two new laws so i wouldn't say that i would have uh interests uh

[0:29:24] Voice 4: as it's really site specific and it doesn't know broader kind of policy implications for the trust

[0:29:34] Voice 6: i'm really waiting for the day that sometimes would we say we have a concern

[0:29:39] Voice 6: so there's no concerns so we have a recommended motion

[0:29:51] that's

[0:29:51] Voice 7: a good question certainly questions i was just mostly curious about the

[0:29:55] Voice 3: subdivision

[0:30:00] Voice 3: creating more waterfront lots yeah

[0:30:03] Voice 4: so in this case the original the owner of the property

[0:30:07] Voice 4: uh in the early 2000s he subdivided five of the lots on the waterfront and his plan was always

[0:30:15] Voice 4: to subdivide the other three and then a bylaw amendment came in that in a sense sterilized

[0:30:21] Voice 4: that arrangement he had and there's a covenant on the property the piece of land that he owns

[0:30:29] Voice 4: goes through East Point

[0:30:30] Voice 4: and this section of road

[0:30:32] Voice 4: he actually donated

[0:30:33] Voice 4: and that was in exchange

[0:30:36] Voice 4: for the allowance of these additional

[0:30:38] Voice 4: lots and then somewhere along the line

[0:30:40] Voice 4: the bylaw changed creating a lot

[0:30:42] Voice 4: average that then would not allow

[0:30:44] Voice 4: him to create these lots

[0:30:45] Voice 4: so it is kind of a particular

[0:30:49] Voice 4: just

[0:30:50] Voice 4: a particular solution

[0:30:52] Voice 4: for this lot owner

[0:30:54] Voice 4: understanding and acknowledging

[0:30:56] Voice 4: that the history of the property yeah so i think you're right if it was just uh someone new owning

[0:31:05] Voice 4: the lot it would be a different conversation than all the history that he is able to demonstrate

[0:31:10] Voice 4: with his maps and his documentation from that previous area and so he's actually

[0:31:15] Voice 4: going from three lots which was his original plan to creating two new lots so he is willing to

[0:31:26] Voice 4: and plus he's paying for the reason all of that so uh but i think if he was in the loop when those

[0:31:34] Voice 4: bylaw amendments were being made he would have obviously been more vocal so that's it's a bit

[0:31:40] Voice 4: of a special situation

[0:31:41] Voice 6: it's just one of those ones where there's so much history it doesn't

[0:31:45] Voice 6: i would i would sort of say my when i when i saw it in the package i'm going okay

[0:31:51] Voice 6: okay but then when you're meeting and the applicants there and the trustees are there

[0:32:00] Voice 6: who have the history and you go okay i get it

[0:32:03] Voice 3: yeah it was funny because i had a message

[0:32:05] Voice 3: sent a message to the trustees just to ask that question about increasing density on the shoreline

[0:32:13] Voice 3: basically and i didn't actually get an answer back so i was just that's just what i was curious

[0:32:21] Voice 3: kind of if that's a so

[0:32:23] Voice 4: it's it's a it's a in this case it's a one-off to fix it kind of historic

[0:32:29] Voice 4: i think there's a lot yeah there's lots of

[0:32:31] Voice 3: stuff like that where there's you know bigger

[0:32:34] Voice 3: consideration than just what we see and

[0:32:36] Voice 4: this is one of the long-time property owners and ultimately

[0:32:40] Voice 4: subdivision will not be successful because of some issues like

[0:32:44] Voice 3: soil water intrusion or something

[0:32:45] Voice 3: this is just to read the zoning element of it you

[0:32:48] Voice 4: still be required to demonstrate proof of water

[0:32:52] Voice 2: um so from my point of view our interests are not affected on this um but i i have an ongoing

[0:32:59] Voice 2: dilemma about these biological forms that i think i bring up every time we do one and i'm wondering

[0:33:05] Voice 2: if we can like through you for the ec if we can have that conversation brought into trust council

[0:33:11] Voice 2: at some point because to me this process of doing this there's some i understand some of the reasons

[0:33:19] Voice 2: why we do it but there's too many of these that come forward and they're not i just process by

[0:33:24] Voice 2: which we get these referrals i'd love to have it revisited a little bit because it seems like i

[0:33:30] Voice 7: don't want to be

[0:33:30] Voice 2: in their business if it's breaking the mandate that's actually not us

[0:33:35] Voice 2: so i don't understand what we're doing and i understand from the history if it's facing us

[0:33:40] Voice 2: yes it's our issue but then there may be other things this i just don't understand was saturn

[0:33:45] Voice 6: successful passing there do not make referrals to us uh

[0:33:48] Voice 3: they brought it to trust council last

[0:33:50] Voice 3: term or maybe

[0:33:51] Voice 3: even the term before and at that time trust council was not interested in

[0:33:55] Voice 3: revisiting the policy but it could be this term so yeah

[0:33:59] Voice 6: do you want to do this through like me

[0:34:03] Voice 6: through ec or as a panel at global trust committee i

[0:34:06] Voice 2: mean i'm just happy if you want to okay

[0:34:07] Voice 6: i will try opening the door yeah

[0:34:14] Voice 3: i agree i think i think if you're gonna get involved

[0:34:17] Voice 3: in something like this you should probably have all of all of the information not that having this

[0:34:22] Voice 1: discussion

[0:34:23] Voice 3: didn't provide that but just when you start looking at the minutes and trying to read

[0:34:27] Voice 3: through what to wrap your head around it sort of seems like it doesn't matter yeah

[0:34:34] Voice 2: and it puts us

[0:34:36] Voice 2: in a position where we're basically saying to our community with limited information oh look we

[0:34:40] Voice 2: approve higher density like that's essentially what we're doing right now and like this is

[0:34:45] Voice 2: there's a history here that's not in our notes at all so it just it's very it actually creates

[0:34:49] Voice 2: some problems i i

[0:34:51] Voice 6: i haven't in the past been very much agreeable with you so all right so

[0:34:56] Voice 6: i know

[0:34:58] Voice 2: so

[0:35:01] Voice 6: we have a motion before somebody wanted

[0:35:03] Voice 6: yeah

[0:35:04] Voice 2: is it in the note

[0:35:05] Voice 6: yeah it's

[0:35:07] Voice 7: page 29. no that's the next piece um

[0:35:23] Voice 7: yeah

[0:35:24] Voice 2: i didn't actually see the motion i think we just do these as the heads of the

[0:35:27] Voice 2: our

[0:35:27] Voice 6: interests are in fact there's the the options

[0:35:29] Voice 6: on the second

[0:35:30] Voice 6: page of the

[0:35:31] Voice 3: referral form and interest unaffected is one of them.

[0:35:33] Voice 5: Interest unaffected.

[0:35:34] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:35:34] Voice 6: So this is a motion to move it.

[0:35:38] Voice 2: And we have the trust committee's interests are unaffected.

[0:35:43] Voice 2: And can you put all the detail of the, like, so that's the thing that I don't have.

[0:35:48] Voice 2: Do we need to make a motion really?

[0:35:49] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:35:50] Voice 3: That's in the general because we.

[0:35:54] Voice 7: Interest unaffected.

[0:35:57] Voice 5: But for some reason.

[0:35:59] Voice 5: I don't know.

[0:36:00] Voice 5: It's

[0:36:00] Voice 7: one of the last.

[0:36:01] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:36:04] Voice 7: or a minute taker um

[0:36:06] Voice 3: did you have this here 27 just it's just got the interest on the factor

[0:36:13] Voice 3: but there's

[0:36:19] Voice 6: no there's no there's no there's no resolution there's no resolution

[0:36:21] Voice 6: so basically it's a growth and there's no trust in test or unaffected and so they refer to to

[0:36:55] Voice 6: We're trying to make sure we get it all recorded properly so we're there, so we're going to

[0:36:59] Voice 6: move on to motion seconded by a question

[0:37:06] Voice 2: on paper, just so I'm sure they go into the notes

[0:37:11] Voice 2: right.

[0:37:11] Voice 2: so

[0:37:11] Voice 6: this is the most dependent um i don't know if the trust committee interests are unaffected by

[0:37:16] Voice 2: this yeah uh

[0:37:18] Voice 2: local trust community area by law number one that's

[0:37:25] Voice 6: why that's the most that's

[0:37:26] Voice 6: motion we're just reporting on right now so yeah yeah yeah so yeah all question all fair that

[0:37:32] Voice 6: carries okay we're a little bit okay we're gonna stay so now moving forward we we have the

[0:37:43] Voice 6: groundwater project staff report

[0:37:45] Voice 2: okay oh

[0:37:47] Voice 6: and we so we have planet chadwick is somewhere amongst us

[0:37:53] Voice 2: and i actually need to just before we have the staff report name a challenge that we have with

[0:37:58] Voice 2: this okay okay

[0:38:00] Voice 2: so at our groundwater um meeting that we had with the informational meeting that

[0:38:05] Voice 2: we had around this we actually specifically asked not to have like bylaws specific stuff come forward

[0:38:13] Voice 2: because we're not ready as a community to consider that so it's a challenge to me that there is any

[0:38:19] Voice 2: type of discussion around proposed bylaws at this point in this space because i don't think our

[0:38:24] Voice 2: community is ready to hear that and so

[0:38:26] Voice 3: so sure so the recommendation is to consider the project

[0:38:31] Voice 3: not to get readings by law the bylaws draft bylaws we've got directions to draft them

[0:38:37] Voice 3: previously they're attached for information they're not there's no recommendation okay

[0:38:45] Voice 3: so they're part of the information um for you to consider whether you're not using this program

[0:38:52] Voice 6: so planner chadwick are you joining us you might have to venture

[0:39:00] Voice 6: she's she's here but

[0:39:01] Voice 7: she's giving us their background

[0:39:35] Voice 5: oh

[0:39:49] Voice 6: she's here she is hi narissa oh you're muted somehow you're muted

[0:39:58] Voice 7: not by us i

[0:40:10] Voice 4: think she's probably logged in through her network and she has to

[0:40:14] Voice 4: she's logged out now so yes if we log in through our network for whatever reason the volume doesn't

[0:40:19] Voice 4: work so she just needs to log in outside she's back narissa you're here

[0:40:26] Voice 1: Hi, sorry.

[0:40:28] Voice 1: You have

[0:40:28] Voice 6: arrived. Welcome to North Pander.

[0:40:32] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:40:34] Voice 1: Sorry, I've been having some internet challenges.

[0:40:38] Voice 1: So you can see me and you can hear me?

[0:40:42] Voice 6: So far, so good.

[0:40:44] Voice 6: Okay,

[0:40:44] Voice 1: so far, so good.

[0:40:45] Voice 1: Okay, so I think I'm up, right?

[0:40:48] Voice 6: You're up.

[0:40:49] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:40:50] Voice 1: Yeah, so we're just bringing back the groundwater implementation project here.

[0:40:57] Voice 1: We're looking for some direction from the LTC on the next steps.

[0:41:04] Voice 1: And so in the report I provided you, again, just a reminder of the background.

[0:41:09] Voice 1: So this project was, the project charter for this was initiated in February 2021.

[0:41:15] Voice 1: And since then, we've had some information meetings.

[0:41:18] Voice 1: We've developed the DPA guidelines and some other OCP related changes, definitions, removal of Schedule F,

[0:41:40] Voice 1: updating some words so that things sort of align with the direction.

[0:41:46] Voice 1: The land use bylaw amendments that were recommended as part of this project were moved into the land use bylaw project.

[0:42:01] Voice 1: And so that included update of definitions, the addition of system requirements for all new bills and updates to subdivision regulations related to potable water.

[0:42:11] Voice 1: water. So those are all in the land use bylaw amendments that I understand is going to public

[0:42:16] Voice 1: hearing shortly next week. So really what we're, we're, we're focusing on here is where do we go

[0:42:25] Voice 1: with the, with the OCP amendments, which is primarily the, the development permit guide,

[0:42:33] Voice 1: the development permit guidelines and the, and, and we'll also include development permit area.

[0:42:39] Voice 1: So in our public meeting, which I felt was a real success, we were able to provide some information on the methodology, contributing to the development of the development permit area possibilities, the possible boundaries for the development permit area.

[0:43:06] Voice 1: And, and those we have not so attached is, is the OCP amendments which again is permit are primarily related to the development permit guidelines but the, there is no map at this point in time, although we did at the, at the public engagement.

[0:43:27] Voice 1: engagement day we we did provide the option so we have we have those boundary options available so

[0:43:37] Voice 1: really the next step would be to come back I mean if if the if the LTC wants to move forward with

[0:43:47] Voice 1: the with this project and and with the the development of this of the development permit

[0:43:54] Voice 1: The next step will be for staff to come back with the bylaw as as written or amended.

[0:44:02] Voice 1: If you choose to amend it anything in there at this point.

[0:44:08] Voice 1: Or we come back with that and and a map with some recommended with the recommended bylaws.

[0:44:17] Voice 1: I'm sorry the recommended boundaries for the development permit area.

[0:44:20] Voice 1: And at that point, there can be further discussion, LCC can decide to move to first reading.

[0:44:29] Voice 1: After first reading, we would just follow on from there with the process, which would involve a public meeting, referral to First Nations, public hearing, and second and third reading.

[0:44:46] Voice 1: um so this project is currently under the ltc's minor project uh as it's identified as a minor

[0:44:55] Voice 1: project and it can proceed um with the proposed steps with the current budget that's allocated

[0:45:02] Voice 1: which is two thousand five hundred dollars and that would cover the public hearing costs

[0:45:07] Voice 1: and um the support of the island planner um or or me actually well i guess

[0:45:16] Voice 1: Once we get through this, you won't see me anymore, but really what we need to get a

[0:45:26] Voice 1: good sense from the LTC at this point in time is, do you want to move to those next steps?

[0:45:33] Voice 1: Do you want to move this project further or where do you want to go with it?

[0:45:39] Voice 1: So I'm now open for questions.

[0:45:43] Voice 2: So a couple of quick clarifications so the the February 2022 moving forward with this

[0:45:54] Voice 2: was to we still hadn't I think we were just around that time we got some preliminary maps

[0:45:59] Voice 2: to look at to understand that and you know part of that conversation was to understand

[0:46:05] Voice 2: understand what pieces of regulation would naturally fit with the LUB project that was

[0:46:13] Voice 2: going on because they're just so straightforward versus things that are much more complex like

[0:46:24] what are in here in terms of like charge zones

[0:46:27] Voice 2: and a whole DPA so going forward with

[0:46:32] Voice 2: the dpa like our application of a water recharge dpa i don't think our community is anywhere near

[0:46:39] Voice 2: that right now and i think that we like in talking about that it's going to instigate a bunch of like

[0:46:46] Voice 2: anti-regulation conversation because really because i think that people are un unsure about

[0:46:54] Voice 2: the science behind the and i'm not i feel confident about it but i think our community is not confident

[0:47:00] Voice 2: about that. So we have to be on the same page about what we're seeing in the data, what we're

[0:47:08] Voice 2: understanding about water in our space. So I would really love to have a project that is not

[0:47:13] Voice 2: regulation-based, but it is communication and conversations that are community-based. And so

[0:47:20] Voice 2: from a direction point of view, my suggestion would be not to discuss OCP and LEB regulation

[0:47:27] Voice 2: changes at this moment not that we might not want it or we might not start to create what a shared

[0:47:33] Voice 2: vision of that would be but i don't think we're even on the same page of understanding our water

[0:47:37] Voice 2: problems and really understanding what what recharge looks like and you know about how

[0:47:43] Voice 2: forestry connects to recharge and like all of those things i think are still conversations and

[0:47:48] Voice 2: i i and i understand i get it that we're a land use planning agency but part of land use planning

[0:47:58] Voice 2: So I would like to see a project that is about how do we work with community over the next year to really dig into what the maps and reports are showing us to really think about the other work that was done and Marissa or Robert I don't know what the name of it was.

[0:48:16] Voice 2: us so i think um meredith's email that came in um named the need for um understanding forest cover

[0:48:26] Voice 2: um and like what is the current situation with forest management and the islands and i think

[0:48:32] Voice 2: that's related to what we've talked about and what you what william and you shared around water

[0:48:36] Voice 2: because there was forest fragmentation maps that were done at some point robert do you remember

[0:48:43] Voice 7: yeah

[0:48:44] Voice 2: that's what it was and so like having those kinds of materials of resources that

[0:48:51] Voice 2: are informational resources for what we do know about this space have having

[0:48:56] Voice 2: questions about what do we know what don't we know that we need to know and then building that

[0:49:03] Voice 2: consensus is going to be a way better process forward i think than starting with the regulation

[0:49:09] Voice 2: then trying to get people to accept it i think we're gonna just fight about

[0:49:13] Voice 3: it but yeah i think

[0:49:14] Voice 3: it's it's so easy and that was what was so great about that community information meeting was that

[0:49:21] Voice 3: people had visuals to attach to what was going on and i know i struggle every time i read something

[0:49:27] Voice 3: like this where it just talks about what a an amendment would be or that they're changing the

[0:49:35] wording to this

[0:49:36] Voice 3: and then i have to try to figure out what was the wording what is the wording going

[0:49:41] Voice 3: to be and then educate myself as to what that even means and when it's three or four pages of it i

[0:49:47] Voice 3: haven't like the conversation is

[0:49:49] Voice 3: over in my brain already like i just feel like it's not a we're not

[0:49:54] Voice 3: at a place where we can move forward simply with it with people and have them actually understand

[0:50:00] Voice 3: what it is that we're saying that we want to do and that is yeah that's where the pushback comes

[0:50:06] Voice 3: because if i can't explain it to people easily and they can't understand it easily they're just

[0:50:13] Voice 3: going to get their back up and say no so

[0:50:17] Voice 2: i guess the question i know for staff is like what does

[0:50:21] Voice 2: a project look like around um water sustainability in the space that is focused on community

[0:50:29] Voice 2: community conversations and education, but what is that like what do we have to do to have that you

[0:50:34] Voice 3: want to change this project that change the focus project kind of priority, change the focus from DPA amendments to OCP implemented DPA to education, it's something

[0:50:48] Voice 3: out something that resolution along those lines to change change the project focus and then brad

[0:50:54] Voice 3: come back with some options and recommendations to move that forward keeping in mind that that

[0:51:00] Voice 3: would be your one minor project right um and now is the time to start thinking about if you want

[0:51:06] Voice 3: to have a major project or another project next fiscal year now is the time to start thinking

[0:51:11] Voice 3: about directing us to prepare a business case for another different project alternatively

[0:51:19] Voice 3: um you could park this project on the future projects list and pick up something else like

[0:51:24] Voice 3: for example housing

[0:51:27] Voice 2: so and we have a major project and a minor project you

[0:51:32] Voice 3: have not submitted a

[0:51:33] Voice 3: business you haven't given us directions to prepare a business case for your for a major

[0:51:38] Voice 3: major project for next fiscal year yeah the luv review we just kept that going through the

[0:51:43] Voice 3: transition period right

[0:51:44] Voice 2: yeah and um yeah okay okay so my hope would be that we actually finish

[0:51:58] Voice 3: so

[0:51:59] Voice 2: and then we then have like a minor project which is like continuing to understand and

[0:52:05] Voice 2: educate and learn around water work in the space that we're not creating anything new

[0:52:10] Voice 2: just trying to understand what's there from the information that we have and then we have a major

[0:52:15] Voice 2: project this is just me talk about this but we have a major project that's focused on understanding

[0:52:21] Voice 2: some of the dilemmas we're facing with housing in terms of sustainability like we actually think

[0:52:27] Voice 2: about what is a rural housing strategy for ourselves in this context and so um i think

[0:52:32] Voice 2: those are the two things that i would like to keep moving forward i don't want to

[0:52:36] Voice 2: shelve the project because i think that we have to have the conversations in our community and

[0:52:41] Voice 2: they have to be part of the housing but they will help us with the housing project um because water

[0:52:46] Voice 2: is absolutely going to be made inside the housing so i think the

[0:52:51] Voice 3: chair can you separate what the

[0:52:55] Voice 3: the difference between a minor and a major project.

[0:52:57] Voice 3: So for the benefit of the Trust Committee generally,

[0:53:03] Voice 3: so recent changes were adopted by Trust Council

[0:53:06] Voice 3: at the end of last term

[0:53:07] Voice 3: to try and rationalize how projects are done

[0:53:10] Voice 3: with limited resources.

[0:53:12] Voice 3: So the approach the Trust Council endorsed

[0:53:15] Voice 3: was that each LTC can have one minor project at a time

[0:53:19] Voice 3: supported by their own plan.

[0:53:21] Voice 3: And then major projects,

[0:53:23] Voice 3: which are significant amendments,

[0:53:27] Voice 3: costing more than $5,000 a year,

[0:53:31] Voice 3: focused on amendments to OCP or LUB.

[0:53:34] Voice 3: You submit a business case to Trust Council for those,

[0:53:37] Voice 3: goes through reviews by the different subcommittees

[0:53:41] Voice 3: of Trust Council, gets approved as part of the budget

[0:53:44] Voice 3: for the following fiscal year.

[0:53:45] Voice 3: And that's supported in terms of staff support

[0:53:48] Voice 3: by what's called the regional planning team,

[0:53:51] Voice 3: which is three senior planners.

[0:53:53] Voice 3: carry out those projects on the rest of the season planners

[0:53:59] Voice 3: forget the second one um be able to take feedback at all from the public that's in the room when

[0:54:08] Voice 3: we're having discussions about stuff like this if there's people that have

[0:54:13] Voice 3: an have an opinion on what might be helpful it's

[0:54:17] Voice 6: it's up to the committee so like

[0:54:19] Voice 6: like if you're talking as part of like say at this point in time if we were to engage the public it

[0:54:25] Voice 6: would be the local trust committee would have to say yes we want to because normally no yeah

[0:54:31] Voice 2: the reasoning for no is because not everybody's in the room but

[0:54:35] Voice 4: you can

[0:54:36] Voice 4: agree to in case by case

[0:54:42] Voice 4: what what is what if somebody

[0:54:44] Voice 4: in the audience

[0:54:45] Voice 3: wants to try to

[0:54:47] Voice 3: offer to people or say something is there a forum for that town

[0:54:52] Voice 6: hall is the general

[0:54:54] Voice 6: beginning of the book and the thing is that's the appropriate time but as i said like very frequently

[0:54:59] Voice 6: when we're engaged in something yeah particularly with with proponents like it's just sometimes

[0:55:03] Voice 6: somebody you you've seen somebody's got something to add and the local trust committee will consent

[0:55:08] Voice 6: to them participating but i would suggest that if you're talking about this broad discussion

[0:55:14] Voice 6: as to major and minor projects we probably should be having an actual line item i think it comes up

[0:55:21] Voice 6: on our agenda every time yeah but

[0:55:23] Voice 6: maybe next meeting we might just actually want to have a

[0:55:25] Voice 6: focused discussion and and say okay here's the laundry list and have them and so rather than

[0:55:32] Voice 6: having it just on the agenda for us to every every every day every every meeting sort of give a

[0:55:37] Voice 6: thumbs up thumbs down we actually have the in-depth and then the public knows we're going to

[0:55:41] Voice 6: talk about this stuff i

[0:55:43] Voice 3: was thinking when we were talking about the water sustainability study and

[0:55:47] Voice 3: sort of the public engagement of that and then there is public here while we're trying to figure

[0:55:53] Voice 3: out what the next steps maybe look like for us the other the other thing is is it possible for

[0:56:04] Voice 3: a local trust committee to basically piggyback a minor project off of an island that is feels

[0:56:14] Voice 3: feels like we've gone is going to do a housing yeah

[0:56:20] Voice 7: you

[0:56:22] Voice 3: know that really is a major project

[0:56:24] Voice 3: forever but there's only probably minor uniquenesses to what we're dealing with

[0:56:33] Voice 3: specifically for pender island does it need to be major for the spend the chair so yeah that's

[0:56:43] Voice 3: good point so for example nurse is working on denman on housing and nurse is prepared

[0:56:50] Voice 3: prepared with some help prepared toolkit planning committee on housing so it's entirely feasible or

[0:57:00] Voice 3: understandable the local trust committee that looked at looked at the full range of options

[0:57:08] Voice 3: for amendments for housing really just wanted to focus on one thing and there was felt there was

[0:57:16] Voice 3: you know it's pretty broad consensus in the community around that didn't need a lot of

[0:57:20] Voice 3: engagement just do that as your minor project um you could do that as you're something like

[0:57:25] Voice 3: that as your major project you just won't need a lot of money for it well that's another question

[0:57:29] Voice 3: right you say it doesn't project it's a big business case for six thousand dollars to hold

[0:57:35] Voice 3: some community meetings on public so it wouldn't yeah it doesn't necessarily make major and

[0:57:42] Voice 3: financial um and and

[0:57:48] Voice 2: i think the other thing just to name around that is like when we had

[0:57:51] Voice 2: instigated the water study well 2019 i feel like we started down that path

[0:57:56] Voice 3: feels like it

[0:57:57] Voice 3: probably 2020 yeah

[0:57:58] Voice 2: and so when we instigated that we instigated that and like how many other

[0:58:04] Voice 2: islands joined in on it so like one of the reasons it took a long time is because it wasn't

[0:58:08] Voice 2: the end just us right it was all these other so that's also something to be aware of is if

[0:58:13] Voice 2: we instigate a housing effort and it becomes more of a larger regional planning we still have to

[0:58:19] Voice 2: whole lot of pieces that we want and how we want to do it um because it may start to take on a

[0:58:25] Voice 2: life of its own in terms of a reach on the

[0:58:28] Voice 4: chair i'm also hearing from you that a major project is

[0:58:31] Voice 4: done by the regional planning team which is not me so uh if you're looking at doing that

[0:58:39] Voice 4: i would i would imagine at the beginning of a housing project it would be like what i did on

[0:58:47] Voice 4: main island drafting the word for for uh chairman the trustee mod on his island uh the first step

[0:58:56] Voice 4: was a discussion paper that uh you know did the best job it could in evaluating the existing

[0:59:01] Voice 4: housing stock the you know all bunch of data around that and then looks at a bunch of different

[0:59:07] Voice 4: uh options around flex housing or changing of violence etc i think since that paper was written

[0:59:13] Voice 4: there's been a whole bunch of work that if i was doing the work i would also be looking to feed

[0:59:18] Voice 4: into so whatever works being done on other islands i think we would try to capture that work rather

[0:59:23] Voice 4: than reinvent it uh the challenge there is that you only get one minor project and so you're if

[0:59:30] Voice 4: you you're gonna have to choose water or dpa review or affordable housing at least for for

[0:59:40] Voice 4: the direction me working yeah and yeah

[0:59:43] Voice 2: so then the question i have for you narissa around that is um

[0:59:49] Voice 2: the like if we go for and again i think we decide this is may 26 we push this into the

[0:59:55] Voice 2: may 26 agenda that's aligned i know but if we for this conversation around um

[1:00:00] this work like if

[1:00:01] Voice 2: we if we decide to do housing as a major project would you as a regional planner

[1:00:07] Voice 2: provide us the kind of detail that brad just named of like our current housing stock all the details

[1:00:12] Voice 2: that we would have in our regional context or sorry in our island context that we would need

[1:00:19] Voice 2: information to be able to even hold community information meetings and do all that kind of stuff

[1:00:30] Voice 3: yeah you can uh i'll just say that the work that the regional planning team has done for

[1:00:37] Voice 3: the art regional planning committee is basically create all those resources right toolkit uh with

[1:00:43] Voice 3: all the range of all the possible options to make it much more transferable from ltc to ltc

[1:00:49] Voice 3: who would actually

[1:00:50] Voice 3: deliver it that depends on resources and who's available um because each of

[1:00:56] Voice 3: the planners on the regional planning

[1:00:58] Voice 4: team are

[1:00:59] Voice 3: typically it looks like going to be assigned

[1:01:01] Voice 3: about three projects on different islands grace is working on maine denman and gabriel right now

[1:01:07] Voice 3: so

[1:01:08] Voice 4: it depends on who's available okay so

[1:01:12] Voice 4: my thought is you may be better served by making

[1:01:14] Voice 4: that housing project a minor project and then having me work on that as one of my key work

[1:01:21] Voice 4: activities but then that that limits you from doing yeah water so that's and

[1:01:30] Voice 2: this is the my

[1:01:30] Voice 2: dilemma that i've been like working inside trust council for some time and why i actually supported

[1:01:35] Voice 2: the governance report is because like for me the way we manage projects is not holistic planning

[1:01:41] Voice 2: perspectives like we need the sustainability conversation our community to foster good

[1:01:46] Voice 2: decisions about our housing conversations that relate to our like we can't slice these things

[1:01:51] Voice 2: into singular things that take three years and i just expect that we're going to have good

[1:01:55] Voice 2: ecosystem management so it's a dilemma that we face and i understand it's an organizational dilemma

[1:02:01] Voice 2: but so i would argue the opposite i would argue that we push the housing to the regional to the

[1:02:08] Voice 2: like larger collective effort and like more about getting those resources and asking for them and

[1:02:13] parallel it with the sustainability education

[1:02:15] Voice 2: efforts in our local space to be able to have

[1:02:18] Voice 2: informed

[1:02:18] Voice 5: conversations about that

[1:02:21] Voice 6: so do you need an actual motion to help us put on the next one

[1:02:25] Voice 6: the next meeting's agenda yeah

[1:02:28] Voice 3: or a resolution if there's you know if the lgc is prepared they

[1:02:32] Voice 3: can make a resolution giving us direction to actually change the focus of this

[1:02:37] Voice 3: groundwater project yeah if that's if that's the direction the ltc wants to go the sooner

[1:02:41] Voice 3: the sooner we get that direction the better okay so yeah okay so you want to do a motionable

[1:02:48] Voice 2: project i need to know what the motion sounds like because i cannot do them on the fly today

[1:02:53] Voice 3: do you have a suggested motion that the north pender island local trust committee

[1:02:58] Voice 3: uh mend the scope groundwater point groundwater implementation project

[1:03:10] Voice 3: to focus on education and education and uh

[1:03:20] Voice 2: education and community conversations

[1:03:28] Voice 3: yeah i

[1:03:30] Voice 2: think that's better because this education sounds like we're telling the

[1:03:33] Voice 2: community what to do and really it's about having community conversations

[1:03:35] Voice 2: to my water and

[1:03:36] Voice 3: the staff report back with the modified work

[1:03:49] Voice 2: so

[1:03:51] Voice 3: let's not report back with a modified work plan

[1:04:03] Voice 2: okay

[1:04:07] Voice 6: so we have enough to bring it back

[1:04:08] Voice 6: so

[1:04:09] Voice 2: i think i do yeah

[1:04:09] Voice 6: go ahead okay

[1:04:11] Voice 2: uh north pander island the manuscript of the

[1:04:18] Voice 2: groundwater

[1:04:18] Voice 3: and ground

[1:04:19] Voice 2: water yeah

[1:04:20] Voice 3: implementation project

[1:04:21] Voice 2: implementation project to focus on

[1:04:24] Voice 2: education and community consultation staff report back with modified work

[1:04:32] Voice 2: okay so it's the groundwater sustainability implementation project um and then so it's

[1:04:43] Voice 2: the groundwater sustainability implementation just there's a word in between there and i think that

[1:04:54] Voice 2: we can just say i don't think we need to say education hand i think we can literally just

[1:04:59] say

[1:04:59] Voice 2: community consultations because that's where they want education i would rather take out

[1:05:04] Voice 2: education because frankly yeah i just find it to be very interesting just i think community

[1:05:10] Voice 2: consultations is what we're wanting to have around that we're

[1:05:18] Voice 5: going to obviously

[1:05:20] Voice 6: so you're happy with

[1:05:21] Voice 6: that word i'm

[1:05:22] Voice 5: okay so

[1:05:24] Voice 6: who wants to move that motion of

[1:05:28] Voice 5: course second call the question

[1:05:47] Voice 6: So if the

[1:05:51] Voice 3: LTC is prepared or wants to go this direction, the LTC could give us direction

[1:05:57] Voice 3: to start work on a business case for housing.

[1:06:02] Voice 2: I think that we need to have that on the March 26 agenda so that the community is aware that

[1:06:08] Voice 2: we were deciding our major and minor projects

[1:06:10] Voice 3: so what would you like on the march 26 agenda just

[1:06:12] Voice 3: uh i think that's a

[1:06:13] Voice 6: discussion of what what what the major minor project would be and what those

[1:06:18] Voice 6: options are and maybe that incorporates because we're not clear on the housing right now so we'd

[1:06:24] Voice 2: like to have it probably reasonably clear i just feel like it would be nice for people to be warned

[1:06:29] Voice 2: that there's a town hall moment to like have a conversation around the the setting of the minor

[1:06:35] Voice 2: and major projects for north texas it's the set that a line item would be like discussion on the

[1:06:42] Voice 2: major and minor projects

[1:06:43] Voice 3: so we won't we won't prepare anything no no you don't

[1:06:47] Voice 2: need to hear

[1:06:47] Voice 2: anything it just really is to like activate like people

[1:06:51] Voice 6: so they know but

[1:06:52] Voice 6: as part of the heads up

[1:06:53] Voice 6: do you want bullets as to what the potential projects are yeah maybe like

[1:06:57] Voice 3: that's your future

[1:06:58] Voice 3: projects list yeah

[1:07:00] Voice 6: but when the agenda comes out can maybe some bullets just be put there saying

[1:07:04] Voice 6: that these are some of what are being considered yeah highlighting so yeah

[1:07:08] Voice 3: what what we think

[1:07:11] Voice 3: so housing housing

[1:07:12] Voice 2: water sustainability water

[1:07:14] Voice 3: sustainability you've already made your project

[1:07:17] Voice 3: so yes but

[1:07:19] Voice 2: i guess you

[1:07:20] Voice 3: could change it

[1:07:20] Voice 2: we could change our mind so i think we listed there so

[1:07:23] Voice 2: people know that it's uh possible okay

[1:07:30] Voice 6: so do you need the motion or is that enough no i'll take

[1:07:34] Voice 6: that is okay all right so any more for chadwick on the water project are we sufficiently important

[1:07:42] Voice 2: yeah we're sufficiently important i do want to just say like thank you for the like you know

[1:07:47] Voice 2: general thinking that you guys have done around this i just think that our community we just need

[1:07:53] Voice 2: to have more sort of consensus before we dive into the regulation it's something that people have

[1:07:58] Voice 2: named for a couple years and i think it's just going to be really helpful to do that especially

[1:08:03] Voice 2: coming out of like it's been hard to have community conversations in the last few years and

[1:08:08] Voice 2: we just need to kind of re-establish that trust in community about like what those

[1:08:11] Voice 2: conversations look like so thank you for the work you've done and it won't be lost i don't think

[1:08:16] Voice 2: um but we just need to kind of move a little bit slower thanks thank you so much for your time

[1:08:26] planner chadwick and we will see you shortly all right thank you very much so now we move on to

[1:08:34] reports so we have the work program pro report attached with active future projects so if you

[1:08:41] want to walk through those so

[1:08:45] Voice 3: we'll just be updating the active projects to reflect the

[1:08:49] Voice 3: change to the groundwater project scope and we're working at a

[1:08:57] Voice 2: report like a sort of suggested scope

[1:08:59] Voice 2: of what that would look like the yeah probably

[1:09:02] Voice 2: yeah okay yeah

[1:09:02] Voice 6: perfect okay um all right so then

[1:09:06] Voice 6: we have applications for court any questions or no

[1:09:12] Voice 2: i just no it's good questions um

[1:09:17] Voice 6: then we have

[1:09:19] Voice 6: trustee um with support or your information then we have adopted policies and static resolutions

[1:09:30] Voice 6: we need some decisions to be made on question

[1:09:35] Voice 3: about the canvas licensing why are we involved

[1:09:42] Voice 3: So, we have referrals from the liquor and cannabis regulation branch for certain types of cannabis or liquor license applications.

[1:09:54] Voice 3: So, cannabis, there was a cannabis store in Griffwood required local government undertake consultation

[1:10:06] um

[1:10:07] Voice 3: in order to have them have that license approved by the liquor and cannabis regulation branch

[1:10:17] Voice 2: we have one last term yeah no

[1:10:20] Voice 3: i i just don't understand how it falls into any kind of

[1:10:24] Voice 3: jurisdiction that we would have because essentially in order to get that license

[1:10:28] Voice 3: the way the legislation was set up for liquor and cannabis um local governments have to provide

[1:10:36] Voice 3: by their input or consent for certain types of applications.

[1:10:42] Voice 3: So from time to time,

[1:10:43] Voice 3: you'll get a liquor license application or change.

[1:10:46] Voice 3: If it reaches a certain threshold,

[1:10:50] Voice 3: then the provincial branch requires local government

[1:10:55] Voice 3: to provide its opinion on that application.

[1:10:57] Voice 3: It's kind of like the province is consulting

[1:10:59] Voice 3: with the local government

[1:11:00] Voice 3: about whether the local government thinks

[1:11:02] Voice 3: that this is an appropriate location and scale of either liquor or cannabis and

[1:11:10] Voice 2: and for my like

[1:11:11] Voice 2: with the cannabis one that happened and we had it also i think happened during covet around the

[1:11:16] Voice 2: changes in liquor licenses to allow for outdoor things that happen

[1:11:21] Voice 2: too and from my perspective

[1:11:23] Voice 2: actually i kind of like it because what it does is it makes it active consent from local government

[1:11:28] Voice 2: right so it's not uh nothing personal but it's not a bureaucratic kind of like paper exercise

[1:11:35] Voice 2: in the background it makes it more transparent to communities something is changing in the use

[1:11:40] Voice 2: or activity in the space and basically the province doesn't have a really good mechanism

[1:11:44] Voice 2: for communicating with local communities so they use local governments to do that communication

[1:11:50] Voice 2: cell towers are the same thing so

[1:11:52] Voice 3: yeah cell towers i understand it's a totally it's a built

[1:11:57] Voice 3: built-up structure right yeah this isn't uh this is literally a usage in a retail space

[1:12:04] Voice 3: right but you wouldn't if we get a fourth shoe store on the background we're not going to be

[1:12:10] Voice 3: really long they're being shoe store yeah or a third restaurant or anything like that so i

[1:12:17] Voice 3: wondered why i think

[1:12:19] Voice 4: it's because the the potential impact that liquor and cannabis

[1:12:25] Voice 4: versus a shoe store i think that i think

[1:12:28] Voice 4: that is the reason there is an application form

[1:12:32] Voice 4: drafting an email here to you guys i'll send you the link to the application form

[1:12:36] Voice 4: so if one of these passes that threshold they're required to submit an application

[1:12:41] Voice 4: feed to us and then we go through the process we did this on saturn recently with the expansion of

[1:12:47] Voice 4: the pub or the restaurant portion of the winery in saturn where they were we were required to hold

[1:12:55] Voice 4: a public hearing as our way of demonstrating that the local government has engaged and in some cases

[1:13:02] Voice 4: there might be a store proposed near a school or some other uh thing where the local government

[1:13:09] Voice 4: may have legitimate concerns over the site use of that land and their role as land use approvers

[1:13:18] Voice 4: is what triggers their role in determining if that land use is appropriate for that particular

[1:13:24] Voice 4: location i think the difference is like a shoe store doesn't need a provincial license

[1:13:29] Voice 3: to operate for sure the province you know from their office in victoria vancouver or whatever

[1:13:35] Voice 3: ever before they issue a license they want to know what the local community thinks and this

[1:13:39] Voice 3: is their mechanism the

[1:13:43] Voice 4: application form has a bit of a preamble which does a bit of description on

[1:13:47] Voice 4: both purpose and reason and process which will probably help to further your understanding

[1:13:54] Voice 4: so

[1:13:54] Voice 2: one of the reasons i was curious to see this was because of the conversation the last few

[1:14:00] Voice 2: months around docs no docs in our like i just bought our uh policy statement type stuff that's

[1:14:10] Voice 2: happened over the last few years and it's because there's been a couple of instances in um these

[1:14:17] Voice 2: islands where local consultation related to provincial or federal obligations around docs

[1:14:26] was not done to the satisfaction of the neighbors

[1:14:29] Voice 2: and the community in the area where a dock was put

[1:14:32] Voice 2: in and so what i don't see here is i don't see something that says and i know these are

[1:14:40] Voice 2: standing resolutions but like i'm curious like the public consultation i've super fed them through it

[1:14:46] Voice 2: so i understand the cell tower i understand the like cannabis licensing liquor licensing

[1:14:51] Voice 2: see i don't understand if dogs are licensed why we're not having that actively consent to us in

[1:14:57] Voice 2: that way because it doesn't

[1:14:58] Voice 2: seem like we see that in the same way and i'm just confused by that dog

[1:15:04] Voice 2: seeming to be something that i understand they're not our jurisdiction in one way but we should have

[1:15:10] Voice 2: community consultation in another way so i just yeah

[1:15:13] Voice 3: that's an example of a different process the

[1:15:15] Voice 3: province has chosen to take which is they do the consultation themselves however inadequate

[1:15:21] Voice 2: yeah

[1:15:22] Voice 3: that's that's just what they've chosen now to put a moratorium right

[1:15:27] Voice 2: because i feel like we

[1:15:29] Voice 2: would eliminate the problems that we're having in terms of regulation in the trust if we just had

[1:15:36] Voice 2: the cell law cell tower kind of practice with dogs right so

[1:15:43] Voice 3: so how we can do about that no i

[1:15:45] Voice 2: understand i will yes and no so we can do things about it because we are we can like speak to other

[1:15:53] Voice 2: levels of government part of our responsibility is coordination with other levels of government so

[1:15:57] Voice 2: i'm just wondering like related to this information if there is something that our ltc can do and i

[1:16:04] Voice 2: know letter writing is like deeply frustrating in some ways but it is something we can follow up with

[1:16:08] Voice 2: as individual trustees to say you know our ltc really we don't want to get into your business

[1:16:13] Voice 2: in one way but we do want you to consult with us appropriately like and so i'm wondering if there's

[1:16:19] some way for us

[1:16:19] Voice 2: to because they would help us just get out of all of the different pieces of

[1:16:23] Voice 2: regulation that are really not our business but no we have to so because yeah yeah do

[1:16:31] Voice 4: we not have

[1:16:32] Voice 4: that

[1:16:33] Voice 2: it's super inadequate the dog consultation would have been done

[1:16:37] Voice 2: like no i mean

[1:16:39] Voice 3: do what we do

[1:16:42] Voice 7: have the ability to

[1:16:53] Voice 3: like engaging other people's ability you're

[1:16:57] Voice 3: saying you're saying that it doesn't like we don't have a say in it so i think for the province's

[1:17:04] Voice 3: perspective as the as the issuer of these tenures for docs they're like well local government you

[1:17:11] Voice 3: got zoning you can just prohibit them so if you're allowing them then we'll just handle the

[1:17:17] Voice 3: tenure part of it and there is a public consultation process associated with that but it's pretty

[1:17:26] Voice 3: profound and

[1:17:30] Voice 2: so this is this is the crux of our challenge with docs in the trust area

[1:17:34] Voice 2: is the jurisdiction of dock licensing is the province right and the zoning is in the hands

[1:17:45] Voice 2: of the audience trust but because the jurisdiction of the licensing is in the province which is

[1:17:50] Voice 2: getting argued reasonably i think like we keep getting argued by local people who don't like

[1:17:55] Voice 2: regulation to say well but that's the province's business why are we zoning for our docks or not

[1:18:00] Voice 2: not something for dogs right like we shouldn't have any say in it because it's a problem

[1:18:04] Voice 2: but the problem is that the problem problems with licensing practices are not allowing for actual

[1:18:12] Voice 2: real authentic community consultation because they're not

[1:18:15] Voice 2: doing that kind of active force

[1:18:17] Voice 2: consultation that they do with cell towers they're they're like they have they were like

[1:18:21] Voice 2: it was a whole thing like the cell towers where they had to like you know show that there was a

[1:18:25] Voice 2: public consultation we're leaving it like that's just not happening with dogs and so if it was

[1:18:30] Voice 2: happening with dogs we wouldn't have to zone around i think but yeah

[1:18:34] Voice 4: i would i would describe

[1:18:36] Voice 4: it as uh you both have some jurisdiction over doc approval one is through zoning where the local

[1:18:43] Voice 4: government has the jurisdiction in this case of the island's trust and the province has the has

[1:18:49] Voice 4: also has a decision to make you need both of those decisions uh for example in galliano they allow

[1:18:56] Voice 4: docks but everywhere around galley i know they have a development permit area so any work within

[1:19:01] Voice 4: in the foreshore requires a development permit so uh if you want a dock it might be permanent

[1:19:08] Voice 4: it might be allowed but you need to go through the process of getting a development permit with

[1:19:13] Voice 4: a professional providing guidance around you know citing of your pilings and all of those things

[1:19:19] Voice 4: so i

[1:19:20] Voice 4: would say that there's it's a joint uh jurisdictional it's

[1:19:24] Voice 3: definitely three three

[1:19:25] Voice 3: three three levels so there's a federal role on navigation uh there's a provincial role tenure

[1:19:32] Voice 3: yeah and environment and there's a local government authority over land use

[1:19:38] Voice 3: and

[1:19:38] Voice 2: and i do understand that like i have looked at that a lot the problem is i'm a person who

[1:19:45] Voice 2: buys waterfront property and i want to understand that it's a freaking nightmare and so like how do

[1:19:51] Voice 2: do people who are in the space understand how to navigate it in a way that is more user-oriented

[1:19:58] Voice 2: than government driven and I think that will help us a lot to actually have cohesive like

[1:20:04] Voice 2: compliance if we do that so I'm just I don't know this is a little bit sideward walking from what

[1:20:10] Voice 2: we're talking about here but it is something that I think in our congress frankly it's a also an

[1:20:17] Voice 2: islands trust challenge because it's an ltc issue related to our zoning it's we zone here on this

[1:20:22] Voice 2: island but it's a trust council level thing when it comes to the trust policy statement and all

[1:20:31] Voice 2: sorts of people are arguing who has what jurisdiction where so we need some clarity

[1:20:36] Voice 2: um on that and i would love us to ask for that clarity but i don't know how to do that

[1:20:44] Voice 6: but they literally almost exactly we were discussing a broader issue about marine issues

[1:20:51] Voice 5: yeah and

[1:20:52] Voice 6: we're working towards in september having basically a forum with the federal

[1:20:58] provincial government sort of discussing dogs mooring boys all that where all the

[1:21:04] overlapping

[1:21:05] Voice 6: jurisdictions are who goes well where so i think i think we actually might be two days

[1:21:10] Voice 6: okay

[1:21:11] Voice 2: so i am happy to write an individual trustee letter into the trust council saying this but i'm

[1:21:15] Voice 2: also happy to do it as a truck as an ltc but i don't want another discussion alone i want a

[1:21:20] Voice 2: freaking map like i want a map that we can share with our community so that they understand because

[1:21:25] Voice 2: me understanding that doesn't help our

[1:21:27] Voice 6: i think that's the intent of the outcome yeah because

[1:21:31] Voice 6: because like what we what we had on main island is we had we had an issue um with

[1:21:38] Voice 6: for whatever reason we don't talk about it in our land use file in the water zones so and it's and

[1:21:47] and my understanding

[1:21:48] Voice 6: was historically the reason we didn't is because we didn't think it was

[1:21:53] Voice 6: basically it was the feds right exactly

[1:21:55] Voice 2: yeah so

[1:21:56] Voice 6: but now because it's not mentioned in the bylaw

[1:22:00] Voice 6: the are the way that we do things if it's not mentioned it's not it's not allowed

[1:22:04] Voice 6: out right so

[1:22:05] Voice 6: now all of all of a sudden all the work was on the island are you leaving

[1:22:11] Voice 6: so it's just and it's literally it's kind of a little bit of a misunderstanding i think in

[1:22:17] Voice 6: a miscommunication and so that's sort of that's what started the discussion yeah and then we

[1:22:21] Voice 6: talked to other islands well you know this is a trust why so let's have a trust council discussion

[1:22:28] Voice 6: and i think part of that is coming out of it is with an educational component yeah like maybe a

[1:22:32] Voice 6: fact sheet or something oh

[1:22:33] Voice 2: my god like a dichotomy of how you like find out right now

[1:22:42] major major issues with with docs and morning boys and anchored vessels and all of that stuff

[1:22:50] trying to figure out whose jurisdiction it actually is to deal with

[1:22:54] Voice 6: so that's so that's

[1:22:56] Voice 6: the other problem i think is that another one they said there's a there's a whole it's when

[1:23:01] Voice 6: we started talking about it you've seen they've seen that there was a broad thing so instead of

[1:23:05] Voice 6: an individual island thing it was sort of a trust council and then when we could bring in the senior

[1:23:10] Voice 6: bureaucrats because it's not unlike our people crd meeting you know is that you know they talk to the

[1:23:16] Voice 6: people that's made the decisions to figure it out so anyhow we've digressed massively off what we're

[1:23:22] Voice 1: supposed

[1:23:22] Voice 6: to be which makes me a bad share so i guess whack them after that one to get it all

[1:23:27] Voice 6: so we we have a report um i think is anybody in disagreement with the recommendations for

[1:23:35] Voice 6: removing those standing resolutions um

[1:23:39] Voice 2: the communications policy one it's no no no longer

[1:23:44] Voice 2: um what

[1:23:51] Voice 3: does it say actually say it's referring to something like a written communications document

[1:23:56] Voice 3: minutes i believe it's

[1:24:04] Voice 7: 2016.80 and

[1:24:09] Voice 3: it's talked about that's the most parallel trust with the

[1:24:13] Voice 3: established guidance for the preparation and dissemination of routine non-statutory notices

[1:24:19] Voice 3: extraordinary notices and trustee newsletters okay

[1:24:23] Voice 2: so i guess my question is if that that

[1:24:26] Voice 2: sounds like it's established guidance i don't know that i feel like we have that guidance exactly

[1:24:33] Voice 2: and

[1:24:33] Voice 3: it's being kind of superseded by um current practices with like email subscribers this is in

[1:24:40] Voice 3: 2006

[1:24:40] Voice 2: email

[1:24:42] Voice 3: subscriptions and so on i don't even know if i could find this communications policy

[1:24:47] Voice 3: yeah

[1:24:48] Voice 2: that concerns me a tiny bit um so i guess from a standing resolution point of view

[1:24:57] Voice 2: that related to the conversations we were having this morning like i i actually think it would be

[1:25:02] Voice 2: be very helpful to have a standing resolution that we put something whatever that is about

[1:25:12] like educational

[1:25:16] Voice 2: about islands trust practices in our communications every month like that would be

[1:25:23] Voice 2: what i would want to see is like and that would be a great standing resolution like that we create a

[1:25:29] Voice 2: a priority list of topics we can give it to you and like we have some one paragraph text that we

[1:25:36] Voice 2: can insert into our communications whatever that is it's facebook if it's supposed to but we're

[1:25:42] Voice 6: right now we're looking at the ones to be removed yes and

[1:25:45] Voice 6: then we and certainly we can do we can

[1:25:47] Voice 6: consider things

[1:25:48] Voice 2: instead of remove it i

[1:25:50] Voice 6: don't know but what what works best for staff

[1:25:53] Voice 3: um well if

[1:25:55] Voice 3: there's one you want to revisit then leave that one in for now and and we can get some clarity

[1:26:01] Voice 3: on how you'd like to revise and come back with some options okay

[1:26:05] Voice 2: so do you need a motion for that

[1:26:08] Voice 3: uh the motion

[1:26:09] Voice 2: is on the clock just for any revisions like so for 2006 08 0. so what i'm

[1:26:16] Voice 6: suggesting is that pick up the ones you want to get rid of and so say if oil you want to leave

[1:26:21] Voice 6: just don't put in a motion and then actually make that motion we can do an alternate motion

[1:26:27] Voice 6: so

[1:26:27] Voice 2: i don't want to get rid of that because i'd rather just actually have

[1:26:30] Voice 2: so are there

[1:26:36] Voice 6: any other ones that you are you would like to retain or can we do the motion

[1:26:42] Voice 6: um

[1:26:42] Voice 2: i i am i don't actually want to rescind 2019 061 i understand that things have been

[1:26:51] Voice 2: non-committal i just think it's a good practice because the magic lake um sewer and water

[1:26:58] Voice 2: committee has sewer and water control i just think it's a good practice to be referring those things

[1:27:05] Voice 2: even if we're not getting like yes no decisions i still think it's important communication so i

[1:27:09] Voice 2: don't want to resend that one so 2019 zero six

[1:27:15] Voice 2: so and

[1:27:19] Voice 5: i

[1:27:27] Voice 2: don't want to rescind the 2006 zero eight zero yeah

[1:27:36] Voice 5: so wait oh so that's what we

[1:27:38] Voice 5: previously okay that's cool okay

[1:27:41] Voice 2: i'm unsure what's going to happen if we rescind 2020 011

[1:27:51] Voice 2: so like enforcement oh that was for commercial uses so that's like food trucks right that was

[1:27:58] Voice 2: one of the food truck related issues

[1:27:59] Voice 3: it was it was it doesn't mean

[1:28:06] Voice 3: how we're handling that

[1:28:08] Voice 3: no but it's just the pandemic specific one should come out and be replaced by something yeah

[1:28:16] Voice 3: because we don't have any instances of it occurring right now

[1:28:25] Voice 2: oh is there still the

[1:28:26] Voice 2: food truck in magic lake though okay

[1:28:30] Voice 3: i don't think that there is someone

[1:28:32] Voice 2: is getting much

[1:28:33] Voice 2: violent enforcement on us by accident no no and

[1:28:35] Voice 3: i don't think that there's

[1:28:37] Voice 3: anything specifically

[1:28:39] Voice 3: currently being covered by that right on that area it'd be like he's called the

[1:28:45] Voice 3: a travel federal deferment one all of a sudden right yeah exactly crazy but this one that one

[1:28:51] Voice 3: i can't think of anybody that's operating with it currently okay

[1:28:58] Voice 2: so i think those are the only two

[1:28:59] Voice 2: that i would want to not okay so um we're

[1:29:08] Voice 6: just trying to be clear here so you're going to read

[1:29:10] Voice 6: the motion out but just uh for clarity so it's only no so

[1:29:15] Voice 2: that's b yeah strike out b

[1:29:17] Voice 2: no e

[1:29:18] Voice 2: e as in bob yeah that one and e was the other one

[1:29:23] Voice 5: yes

[1:29:27] Voice 2: yes yeah yeah

[1:29:29] Voice 2: and the uh 2020-11

[1:29:34] Voice 2: no we're going to leave that one no

[1:29:36] Voice 6: no no no that one that would stay that would be the motion

[1:29:40] Voice 6: so

[1:29:40] Voice 2: bob and edward b and e are getting rid of them

[1:29:45] Voice 6: so can you read out the motion

[1:30:06] Voice 7: out of things no

[1:30:14] Voice 2: we're taking them off our policy they're sort of standing so just i want to make

[1:30:32] Voice 2: sure we're both fairly clear about this so what what this motion will do is we have this list of

[1:30:37] Voice 2: standing policies it will remove these however many that we decided it'll be six items it'll

[1:30:44] Voice 2: remove them from the list and so then we'll have a shorter list of standing policies or standing

[1:30:55] Okay, the north corner and the local trust committee received

[1:31:00] Voice 2: the following standing

[1:31:01] Voice 2: resolutions, a 2005 dash 005 C 2007 dash 146 D 2011 050 F 2020 dash 11 g 2020 dash

[1:31:18] Voice 2: 012 and age 2020-26. okay

[1:31:24] Voice 5: that's clear no

[1:31:25] Voice 2: okay

[1:31:29] Voice 6: so we're going to be any of the only ones that we're retaining

[1:31:36] okay secondary okay call the question on baby

[1:31:40] Voice 6: that carries

[1:31:44] right

[1:31:48] Voice 6: so okay would

[1:31:52] Voice 6: you so you want to add a motion i

[1:31:55] Voice 2: just want to ask for some options on

[1:31:59] Voice 2: the communication um so um do you need a motion to that uh

[1:32:04] Voice 6: depends what do you want to do basically

[1:32:07] Voice 2: i just want to have a like do a rewrite on the 2006 008 sorry 080 um to make it um about how

[1:32:18] Voice 2: how we are keeping current with our communications

[1:32:20] Voice 2: on different aspects of the IELTS Trust work.

[1:32:22] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:32:23] Voice 2: So

[1:32:23] Voice 3: is this an action with the local trust committee

[1:32:25] Voice 3: or with the trustee?

[1:32:27] Voice 2: No, I'm actually one, like there's,

[1:32:29] Voice 2: I'd like to have a practice in our LTC of information,

[1:32:34] Voice 2: like once a month or once every two months,

[1:32:36] Voice 2: whatever we decide, whatever you recommend,

[1:32:38] Voice 2: that comes from you based on a set of things

[1:32:40] Voice 2: like say are important for our community to understand.

[1:32:43] Voice 2: It comes to all of us and we figure out

[1:32:46] Voice 2: I would want to communicate that.

[1:32:48] Voice 6: So why don't we do something?

[1:32:50] Voice 3: Yeah, that's fine.

[1:32:52] Voice 3: Like,

[1:32:52] Voice 2: it'd be nice to have

[1:32:53] Voice 3: a little bit more talking about this.

[1:32:54] Voice 3: Yeah, totally.

[1:32:55] Voice 3: So what Trustee Morrison would like to do is get a discussion about continuing to use the Pender Post for trustee reports on a more kind of structured basis, rather than just say this is what we did at our last meeting.

[1:33:11] Voice 3: um you would pick a topic in advance and we could provide you with some support

[1:33:18] information in terms of that topic

[1:33:20] Voice 3: and preparing for that um ultimately trustee could prepare some

[1:33:27] Voice 3: information send it to us and you could give advice or edits or whatever i'm not sure that we

[1:33:33] Voice 3: a steady resolution for that um just do it as a practice i think it would help if you sort of pick

[1:33:42] Voice 3: the topics first and then we can look at whether or not we need to regularize this somehow through

[1:33:49] Voice 3: resolution can

[1:33:50] Voice 2: we just pull that one back onto our agenda for the 26th then and just we'll think

[1:33:54] Voice 2: about like what those topics might be and then we can give them a clear guidance and one of the

[1:34:05] Voice 2: things just so you know one of the things that used to happen last term that was really helpful

[1:34:09] Voice 2: is that i can't remember in communications but occasionally if there was like a webinar going

[1:34:16] Voice 2: on in the trust or whatever should send a little blurb and then i if i got it early enough by a

[1:34:21] Voice 2: certain date i could include it in the tender post so that would be super helpful to have that kind

[1:34:25] Voice 2: of stop breaking so i'm not going to

[1:34:28] Voice 3: like remember to ask for it we'll just add an agenda item for

[1:34:33] Voice 3: the next meeting discussion of trustee communications yes perfect thank you

[1:34:44] Voice 6: okay perfect

[1:34:47] Voice 6: all right so we're cool on that yeah um so we we have the adopted policies that are

[1:34:54] Voice 6: absolutely attached but i think we've got that discussed local trust committee web page

[1:35:01] Voice 6: nothing there um um just to serve the report does

[1:35:05] Voice 2: the staff need anything for us on the web page

[1:35:07] Voice 2: on

[1:35:08] Voice 6: the web page okay

[1:35:11] Voice 2: um i should check mine because i i

[1:35:17] Voice 2: just because

[1:35:18] Voice 7: usually i

[1:35:19] Voice 2: ask people to phone me for an appointment or text instead of having

[1:35:22] Voice 2: that appointment so i should just check that it says that um so we'll come back if we have any

[1:35:29] Voice 2: thank you so

[1:35:34] Voice 6: we don't have another trust conservancy report

[1:35:36] Voice 6: um so we'll move on to new business which is north uh north tender local trust

[1:35:46] Voice 6: so we're down 59 60 on the

[1:35:48] Voice 5: agenda okay

[1:35:57] Voice 2: so yeah exactly that was my challenge

[1:36:00] Voice 2: so um did we have so one of the questions i had about having this on the agenda was just to see

[1:36:07] Voice 2: if we had any protocol agreements related to this came up in trust counseling about having

[1:36:15] Voice 2: protocol agreements either with first nations or with um modi like so the issues that you were

[1:36:23] Voice 2: just talking about um you know and we had them with garden pond like that it was a discussion

[1:36:31] Voice 2: at trust council that happened and i was just like uh yeah we hit that with garden fund and so

[1:36:35] Voice 2: i would like as a i think we can do it as an ltc not as a trust council i would like us to revisit

[1:36:44] Voice 2: what um and i correct me if i'm wrong robert but i would like to understand it and revisit

[1:36:50] Voice 2: is it what are here on north hender related to crd or the province or the feds doing work

[1:36:59] Voice 2: in the space because we have some kind of reciprocal agreement that they're supposed

[1:37:04] Voice 2: to abide by our rules but there was at least twice last term when they didn't and like there

[1:37:09] Voice 2: was like retroactive related things that we had to deal with like what tree removal on magic lake

[1:37:14] Voice 2: related to them going into the sewer it was done retroactively instead of proactively so it's like

[1:37:19] Voice 2: come on guys so yeah the

[1:37:22] Voice 3: crd protocol agreements um is related to park dedication between the ltc's

[1:37:29] Voice 3: and the parks commissions on each of the southern islands it's around park dedication that type of

[1:37:34] Voice 3: subdivision of the process consultation process around that that is an ltc protocol agreement

[1:37:40] Voice 3: as opposed to trust council agreement um crd uh there's a trust-wide protocol agreement with modi

[1:37:51] Voice 3: about road standards and then there was an update to that so it's two separate agreements one updates

[1:37:57] Voice 3: the other that but that's a trust-wide one and

[1:38:01] Voice 2: can we have that a copy of that added to our next

[1:38:04] Voice 2: agenda just a bit

[1:38:05] Voice 3: to the crd one no the movie one right

[1:38:08] Voice 3: so there's a discussion one of the

[1:38:11] Voice 3: committees about revisiting the executive committee discussed revisiting the modi

[1:38:16] Voice 3: uh protocol and the pros and cons of that so that's the i could put i'll certainly

[1:38:24] Voice 3: you want to look at the parks i want to see

[1:38:27] Voice 2: the modi one i'd like to see the modi one attached

[1:38:29] Voice 2: because i think there are i'd like our community to be informed a little more proactive especially

[1:38:36] Voice 2: with i know the dip is a south pender issue but you know they're we're related and so i i would

[1:38:42] Voice 2: just like to see the modi agreement um at least a url to it if we don't have the if i get this

[1:38:49] Voice 3: probably better to just have a link okay

[1:38:51] Voice 2: so as long as we have a link that people can't see

[1:38:54] Voice 2: so

[1:38:54] Voice 3: the money agreements yeah

[1:38:56] Voice 2: and um and the crd one probably too because my my concern

[1:39:02] Voice 2: was garden pond that was a provincial one related to uh yeah but it wasn't voting right

[1:39:09] Voice 6: so it was the crd slash that

[1:39:11] Voice 2: was the crd actually that was responsible for that but i ended up

[1:39:15] Voice 2: talking with water management officer a lot about that one and so um so yeah i would like to see

[1:39:23] Voice 2: i don't think it was a crd agreement though because i agree with what robert just said i

[1:39:27] Voice 2: think we have the parks one but i don't have it so there's some other policy somewhere in our life

[1:39:32] Voice 2: that people kept referring to in that instance that we basically had a blanket reciprocal

[1:39:37] Voice 2: government like you follow our rules we'll follow yours kind of policy somewhere well that we need

[1:39:44] Voice 2: to like not do that and and we need to i need to understand because people are not doing it like

[1:39:50] Voice 2: is that the governments are not doing it effectively like we didn't have full

[1:39:54] Voice 2: community consultation and so i just i would like to see those like what is the base of that decision

[1:40:01] Voice 2: that they they didn't have to come so

[1:40:05] Voice 3: you would like a link to the modi agreements and the crd

[1:40:08] Voice 3: any

[1:40:10] Voice 2: crd agreements basically any kind of protocols or a that would base would would say that

[1:40:19] Voice 2: how we're relating with the governments right like how we're relating so

[1:40:22] Voice 3: there's very few that are

[1:40:24] Voice 3: directly with the local trust community right and mostly the trust council right

[1:40:29] Voice 2: and so i think

[1:40:30] Voice 2: that's my question is like can we make an agreement with crd to say that like you have to

[1:40:37] Voice 2: talk to us before you start like doing stuff here just coming for us and i know paul's trying to do

[1:40:43] Voice 2: better job of doing that but

[1:40:44] Voice 6: maybe it's just it's that might be a topic for something else

[1:40:48] Voice 2: forum forum

[1:40:49] Voice 6: it is it's because obviously everybody's sitting at the table

[1:40:54] Voice 7: yeah

[1:40:54] Voice 6: and maybe we could make that to be a topic and maybe crd could send somebody that came up

[1:41:01] Voice 6: right in yeah and

[1:41:03] Voice 6: we could actually discuss it and see where we are and where we want to be

[1:41:07] Voice 2: so i would

[1:41:08] Voice 6: like us to ask

[1:41:09] Voice 2: for that i would

[1:41:10] Voice 2: like us as an ltc to ask for that conversation with

[1:41:13] Voice 2: the crd because we had real problems like in our community around garden ron last year

[1:41:19] Voice 3: was garden on crd though water

[1:41:22] Voice 2: management officer was the one who actually oversaw

[1:41:25] Voice 2: the whole provincial project for removal i spent a long time on the phone with him

[1:41:30] Voice 2: and it took a quite a significant time to actually locate the person who's actually managing the

[1:41:35] Voice 2: project so and yeah

[1:41:38] Voice 3: i know i mean i was looking at the okanagan on that yeah and

[1:41:42] Voice 3: wiped out down

[1:41:43] Voice 3: screw yeah all

[1:41:45] Voice 3: over there yes but that wouldn't have been crd that would have been this province

[1:41:51] Voice 2: the

[1:41:51] Voice 3: province

[1:41:52] Voice 2: instigated their role but the regional districts were the ones who

[1:41:58] Voice 2: coordinated with the province but it was the crd we managed the project

[1:42:04] Voice 2: to this content so so

[1:42:08] Voice 3: to create a new agreement at the ltpc crd level that starts with the political

[1:42:15] Voice 3: political conversation the political conversation at the political level to see if there's the will

[1:42:20] Voice 3: yeah so that's where it would start is yeah so

[1:42:24] Voice 6: so we have today let's bring it up to

[1:42:26] Voice 6: something of island forum or we'd like the director ben to come to our next meeting

[1:42:32] Voice 6: you want to invite i

[1:42:33] Voice 2: like option two okay so

[1:42:34] Voice 2: i'd rather have a direct conversation with paul about

[1:42:36] Voice 2: this or just see because i mean not that i don't think southern go pilot forum is helpful but we

[1:42:40] Voice 2: have a lot of things on our plate in that space and i i think it will naturally come up just not

[1:42:45] Voice 2: necessarily as concretely as we might do with paul dorsey so

[1:42:49] Voice 3: do you need a motion to invite him we

[1:42:51] Voice 3: will but first of all do we still want to have the protocol agreements linked on the agenda or

[1:42:57] Voice 3: shifting to having an invitation i

[1:43:00] Voice 2: think it's really helpful

[1:43:02] Voice 2: okay

[1:43:03] Voice 3: so we've got that you don't need a resolution for that but if you want us to

[1:43:07] Voice 3: specifically invite directors i move that

[1:43:12] Voice 2: the north pender island local trust committee

[1:43:15] Voice 2: invite director brent of the crd to the next possible ltc that he can attempt to discuss

[1:43:37] Voice 2: Yeah, to discuss protocol agreements, agreements, and it may be okay, so you're moving to invite

[1:43:54] Voice 2: Brent director.

[1:44:10] Voice 2: Right.

[1:44:11] Voice 2: oh sorry protocol and can we just put um north pender ltc yeah north pender yes

[1:44:19] Voice 2: perfect

[1:44:20] Voice 5: okay so

[1:44:21] Voice 2: moved okay

[1:44:23] Voice 5: call the question okay all right thank you

[1:44:27] Voice 6: director brent has been sons

[1:44:33] okay um so we're good with that uh so we're on to options for

[1:44:42] Voice 6: forest and tree management in north

[1:44:43] Voice 5: tender island um

[1:44:51] Voice 4: so this report was presented as if there was on your agenda the last ltc

[1:44:56] Voice 4: decided to defer it to this meeting um it's just a summary at uh two meetings ago you requested that

[1:45:03] Voice 4: staff provide some options around what the ltc could uh look at doing with respect to advanced

[1:45:08] Voice 4: forestry management on north kender island uh so the staff report has been slightly amended

[1:45:14] Voice 4: i've provided a brief update on the screen away property and what's happening there with staff

[1:45:18] Voice 4: just to provide some some clarification of facts um so staff have been working both the

[1:45:24] Voice 4: bylaw enforcement and planning staff have been working with property owners they've been very

[1:45:28] Voice 4: cooperatively communicated with us they accept responsibility for their actions but they state

[1:45:36] Voice 4: that they did not willfully or knowingly conduct unauthorized removal of the dpa and i think there

[1:45:43] Voice 4: is some basis of fact to back that up that there was some confusion at the time of sale

[1:45:47] Voice 4: sale around those DPAs and the requirement to meet any regulatory obligations.

[1:45:55] Voice 4: The property owners are working on submitting a DP application and in fact it was just received

[1:46:00] Voice 4: this morning and they've hired an off island registered professional biologist who specializes

[1:46:06] Voice 4: in forestry management and restoration.

[1:46:09] Voice 4: He visited the site last Thursday and will be providing a report in due course with respect

[1:46:15] Voice 4: respect to site remediation and future testing tree protection in the DPA area and that report

[1:46:23] Voice 4: will recommendations in that report will become primary content of the conditions within the

[1:46:33] Voice 4: development permit for future restoration of that site and provincial forestry staff have visited

[1:46:39] Voice 4: the property and they concluded that there were no violations with the regulations and so then

[1:46:46] Voice 4: with respect to the forestry management options as you know right now you have a suite of

[1:46:53] Voice 4: development permit areas some of them to protect trees there is a woodland dpa i think the

[1:47:00] Voice 4: the raptor nest dpa also serves to protect trees but the ltc could certainly consider looking at a

[1:47:07] Voice 4: Both reviewing the existing DPAs, as well as looking at what other ecological values might be worthwhile to protect.

[1:47:19] Voice 4: For example, the CDF, the Coastal Douglas Spur, work that's going on.

[1:47:27] Voice 4: You could, for example, look at a development permit area that is looking to protect a broader swath of the land base than the rather narrow definitions that are currently in the existing DPAs.

[1:47:45] Voice 4: You could seek further legislative powers from the province.

[1:47:50] Voice 4: As it indicates there, it has been brought forward by the ILS Trust and has recently been withdrawn.

[1:47:57] Voice 4: on in my experience working with the ministry of municipal affairs there's been a lot of effort by

[1:48:04] Voice 4: regional districts and i recognize the island's trust as a unique agency but there has been a

[1:48:10] Voice 4: lot of effort to expand those powers that the municipalities have not only

[1:48:14] Voice 4: around tree cutting

[1:48:15] Voice 4: but around animal management for example is another one that often comes and

[1:48:24] Voice 4: the province

[1:48:25] Voice 4: has not been very uh there hasn't been

[1:48:27] Voice 4: much appetite to open up the community charter to

[1:48:29] Voice 4: do that or the government not withstanding certainly could be passed again uh you could

[1:48:36] Voice 4: also advocate for provincial agencies uh to establish stricter forestry management practice

[1:48:41] Voice 4: on private lands but really i think trust council level through a request for decision

[1:48:53] Voice 4: so really this is just some information for the local trust community to consider

[1:48:57] Voice 4: uh any work around uh dpas would obviously uh need to be a project of a minor project and so

[1:49:06] Voice 4: you need to consider that uh in your deliberations around what project you want to pursue uh first

[1:49:15] Voice 4: off early in the gym so but now we'll pass that back to the ltc for the chair do we

[1:49:23] Voice 7: is

[1:49:31] what's considered commercial law like commercial harvesting of trees versus someone

[1:49:41] Voice 3: clearing is

[1:49:43] Voice 3: there a percentage of land that makes it i

[1:49:47] Voice 4: would say that probably one of the key drivers to being

[1:49:50] Voice 4: uh commercial is whether it's timber whether it's tagged and taken off site for milling or

[1:49:57] Voice 4: production at another site versus using your trees for your own use and purpose milling them on site

[1:50:04] Voice 4: or having them mailed and brought back to the site to use to build your house for example

[1:50:09] Voice 4: so the the i would say the defining factor is when a tree is removed with the timber tag

[1:50:14] Voice 4: and it's that process to

[1:50:18] Voice 3: the sword is there any way to regulate that

[1:50:34] Voice 3: so uh timber marks

[1:50:38] Voice 3: really the province

[1:50:40] Voice 3: requires those i think just to transport timber like it doesn't distinguish

[1:50:45] Voice 3: the end use of it um so really if you're using timber on your own property which firewood or

[1:50:52] Voice 3: milling it yourself uh using it then that's the only thing that's exempt from a timber stamp

[1:51:00] Voice 3: and that's really the only way the province distinguishes commercial from non-commercial

[1:51:08] Voice 3: timber so

[1:51:09] Voice 2: was the timber taken off that property stand should

[1:51:15] Voice 3: then it's transported i assume yes

[1:51:18] Voice 3: okay my

[1:51:20] Voice 3: strongest assumption would be i think i think that that's a there's a that's a big

[1:51:27] for defining difference in people's opinion

[1:51:31] in

[1:51:34] Voice 3: a particular site just recently.

[1:51:40] Voice 5: Focal negative to having been like

[1:51:48] a commercial scale lodge operation

[1:51:50] as opposed to people to do

[1:51:58] on their property for their own use.

[1:52:02] I

[1:52:07] Voice 3: don't know completely how to describe it,

[1:52:09] Voice 3: but I think that that's probably

[1:52:10] Voice 3: the biggest thing that I've heard

[1:52:12] Voice 3: from both parties.

[1:52:14] Voice 3: So

[1:52:15] Voice 6: is there an ability to draw

[1:52:16] Voice 6: right in the sand that way

[1:52:18] Voice 6: through the land use bylaw

[1:52:20] Voice 3: not through the land use bylaw me so in galliano for example there's

[1:52:26] Voice 3: a dpa that exempts uber cutting that doesn't does not if it's under a certain it's so

[1:52:36] Voice 4: interesting

[1:52:37] Voice 4: 12 12 cubic meters per three years or something

[1:52:42] Voice 5: is it but even

[1:52:45] Voice 4: that dpa is that's a flood across

[1:52:47] Voice 4: across the whole island and uh it's potential that if someone really pressed that in court

[1:52:53] Voice 4: it might be found as an ultra virus because it's the pretty good support are

[1:52:57] Voice 3: there any timber stands

[1:53:00] Voice 3: left on pender labor stands like was uh somebody was telling was trying to tell me that they owned

[1:53:08] Voice 3: basically the back of their property they owned a timberland oh of course that is forced yes there's

[1:53:14] Voice 3: it i know i think it was the last time there was at least two properties that had managed

[1:53:20] Voice 3: for status so through

[1:53:22] Voice 4: the pmfl yeah so a

[1:53:25] Voice 4: property owner needs to apply through the province to have

[1:53:30] Voice 4: their property designated as pmfl and there's a bunch of requirements around forestry management

[1:53:36] Voice 4: planning and such that you need to get that if you do get pmfl status that uh local government

[1:53:43] Voice 4: and regulations and development permit area requirements do not apply and that's specified

[1:53:49] Voice 4: in the pmfl legislation so on galliano

[1:53:52] Voice 4: there's a number of properties that are within the pmfa

[1:53:58] Voice 2: because

[1:53:59] Voice 4: i think

[1:53:59] Voice 6: part of the problem is the way the slot was advertised for sale was with merchant

[1:54:04] Voice 6: of timber yeah well that's

[1:54:06] Voice 6: right and so so you had an owner going in with an expectation of of that

[1:54:14] and and admittedly he didn't cut a whole lot but i i think that

[1:54:19] Voice 6: part of the marketing of the lot was

[1:54:22] Voice 6: there's money to be made off of some of your trees and that's that started another sort of

[1:54:28] Voice 6: in more industrial state operation but if we can't sort of define within our land use by law

[1:54:36] Voice 6: the logging part of it then it becomes an epa issue well

[1:54:40] Voice 2: and i i just yeah i hesitate to go

[1:54:42] Voice 2: down that road but like if there is pmfl land and the goal of pmfl land is to set out good

[1:54:49] Voice 2: force management practices then that's what it should be you should like if you're going to do

[1:54:54] Voice 2: that kind of activity it should be on kmfln right so and if it's not and it's interesting because

[1:55:00] Voice 2: there's a small gray area i think you're right um brad to your comment there's a small gray area

[1:55:05] Voice 2: that like so for instance we took some trees down to build our house right like the siding of our

[1:55:10] Voice 2: house and what we did with those trees is a question like we needed it for the actual site

[1:55:16] Voice 2: where the house stood but now the house is standing there so you can't have those trees

[1:55:19] Voice 2: right so in our case we actually had them milled and brought back and used them and then the rest

[1:55:25] Voice 2: we cut up for firewood right but it's conceivable that somebody would take trees down for their

[1:55:31] Voice 2: house and then sell those or trade them off as part of the the cutting of them or build like

[1:55:37] Voice 2: that happens all the time on these spaces so there has to be some kind of buffer in our regulations

[1:55:43] Voice 2: between pmfl land and private land that you're using wood on the land to allow for a little bit

[1:55:49] Voice 2: of wood that moves on out of the land because it's just

[1:55:52] Voice 2: the way it is like

[1:55:53] Voice 3: my brother's house

[1:55:54] Voice 3: is a good example because almost none of the trees came from his land right but

[1:56:00] Voice 3: most of them

[1:56:02] Voice 3: came from my property right so where it was selectively right it was went through and

[1:56:09] picked out and identified ideal trees and ideal trees to leave but then he also purchased

[1:56:16] Voice 3: from

[1:56:17] Voice 3: people who had cut down but mill here right and

[1:56:22] Voice 3: i know in i believe in the case of the one property

[1:56:26] Voice 3: in question they there has been trees taken off island that will never return there's also been

[1:56:35] Voice 3: a mill brought onto the property to mill lumber that will stay on yeah and

[1:56:41] Voice 2: there's been a facebook

[1:56:42] Voice 2: post to say they're selling wood off that property so like there are some violations of our intent

[1:56:49] Voice 2: of like what what so anyway i don't want to talk too much about that property specifically on here

[1:56:55] Voice 2: because really the the guide up here is what are we going to do related to these issues going

[1:57:02] Voice 2: forward and this is not the only property currently like private private pirates road has a similar

[1:57:08] Voice 2: issue so so but

[1:57:10] Voice 3: i guess that's what i was wondering if there is an ability to define

[1:57:14] Voice 3: the difference between commercial tree removal and

[1:57:19] Voice 7: tree

[1:57:21] Voice 3: removal for the for residential purposes

[1:57:24] Voice 3: essentially i

[1:57:26] Voice 4: would make the point too that most most property owners don't have the ability to

[1:57:30] Voice 4: build their own or the interest and in this case in this land there is long there's a fair bit of

[1:57:38] Voice 4: trees removed but you look at any property with a homestead built out and at some point those trees

[1:57:44] Voice 4: were removed to provide that homestead the other reality is on that property a whole bunch of that

[1:57:49] Voice 4: logging is legal and uh if not for the presence of the dpa they could have done all of that

[1:57:56] Voice 4: and so it's really only that dpa that unique kind of nesting uh location that protects

[1:58:05] Voice 4: or was meant to protect those trees obviously well

[1:58:08] Voice 2: and we see that on pirates like the the

[1:58:10] Voice 2: property on pirates didn't have the dpa in that sense so it like is a huge area that was bad

[1:58:15] Voice 2: and so i think that's a larger issue for like trust council frankly like that level of issue

[1:58:20] Voice 2: and it's

[1:58:21] Voice 1: been had there

[1:58:22] Voice 2: you know we don't all agree but it's been out there we have some very

[1:58:25] Voice 2: clear examples of where the boundaries of those things are because we're experiencing that here

[1:58:31] Voice 2: which would be for our own rules i frankly don't think we have the authority to control or not

[1:58:38] Voice 2: control right now related to strict tree cutting um and we can talk about our in our closed meeting

[1:58:44] Voice 2: about what we're going to deal with with violation of the dpa which is a total another issue and

[1:58:48] Voice 4: probably the best tool you have is looking at your dpas so the most the most short-term and

[1:58:56] Voice 4: realistic option to protect trees rather than

[1:58:59] Voice 4: getting the problems to shift direction dramatically

[1:59:02] Voice 4: which is probably a push uphill yeah big push uphill would be to broaden your suite of dps

[1:59:14] Voice 4: for example if you looked at coastal douglas first development permit area you could probably you

[1:59:20] Voice 4: DPs require a specific ecological value to be protected,

[1:59:25] Voice 4: which is why the one in Galliano is potentially a challenge

[1:59:30] Voice 4: because it just looks to protect everything.

[1:59:32] Voice 4: But I think you can demonstrate that Coastal Douglas Fert

[1:59:36] Voice 4: is an apparel ecosystem and it's an ecological value

[1:59:38] Voice 4: that would be appropriate to set DPs.

[1:59:41] Voice 4: But then the conversation comes to the community

[1:59:44] Voice 4: where now all of a sudden you need a development permit

[1:59:48] Voice 4: almost everywhere

[1:59:49] Voice 1: on the island,

[1:59:49] Voice 1: But

[1:59:50] Voice 4: you could create exemptions in that then for, you know, for the clearing of a homestead, for the use of this number of trees, you could be exempt.

[2:00:00] Voice 4: create a suite of exemptions that then would move backwards from that broader protection uh there's

[2:00:06] Voice 4: a lot more involved in that but that is probably in my view uh in my view uh the most uh feasible

[2:00:16] Voice 4: pathway to the local trust committee housing more control over treatment so will that be defined as

[2:00:23] Voice 4: being a minor

[2:00:23] Voice 6: project and

[2:00:25] Voice 2: this is the dilemma with projects

[2:00:28] Voice 6: so

[2:00:36] Voice 6: is that sort of something that we add to the list of discussions for next month

[2:00:41] Voice 6: saying well this is a minor or major project

[2:00:57] Voice 3: the major projects go through that budget cycle so you get the funding from press council you

[2:01:05] Voice 3: got to start looking at now basically generally what you want to do okay

[2:01:11] Voice 2: so there are three

[2:01:14] Voice 2: options on here and i think there are five options so i need to add two other options onto the sheet

[2:01:19] Voice 2: because the three options that are on here you just went through thanks um the three options

[2:01:25] Voice 2: that that are on here are either legislative uh lobbying kind of advocacy efforts or regulatory

[2:01:32] Voice 2: efforts um but we have two other powers that we have as a local government one is that we can

[2:01:41] Voice 2: can coordinate with other levels of government not in a strict advocacy context so we can actually

[2:01:48] Voice 2: just like hey you know what's going on with this and so like i think it would be really worthwhile

[2:01:55] Voice 2: whether they answer or not totally different question but i think it would be very worthwhile

[2:01:59] Voice 2: for us to have a meeting one of our regular meetings where we invite in the fire department

[2:02:06] Voice 2: the so the crd like people here who are doing work so fire department fire slur for the southern

[2:02:14] Voice 2: gulf islands um uh really my brain is really all the

[2:02:21] Voice 3: time could it be that we did it as a

[2:02:24] Voice 3: community information meeting like

[2:02:26] Voice 2: yeah i actually think it could be a community information meeting

[2:02:30] Voice 2: but i think yeah so we could do it in one of our communities i actually think whenever we do i

[2:02:34] Voice 2: I don't care how much land, but we have one of our conversations in our community.

[2:02:40] Voice 2: It is a little bit more of an

[2:02:42] Voice 2: integrated conversation with the people who actually have

[2:02:47] Voice 2: around them to just have a conversation where they do, and it intersects again with our water

[2:02:54] Voice 2: problem, because I know when we have sat down with the fire department before, as now you see,

[2:02:59] Voice 2: like we've sat there and had conversations, like ponds and management and having the

[2:03:04] Voice 2: conservancy come into that so we talk about the national park those are the other two

[2:03:08] Voice 2: you know around that because it's a whole pattern and that actually gets us somewhere in terms of

[2:03:14] Voice 2: like who's doing what and what do you think we need to do to help you do what you do that's

[2:03:19] Voice 2: the coordination move and it's not we're not advocating we're just having a conversation

[2:03:23] Voice 2: right i

[2:03:24] Voice 4: was just going to say uh you do have a saturday special meeting scheduled on saturday

[2:03:29] Voice 4: june 24th that may be an appropriate topic yeah

[2:03:32] Voice 2: so that could be one of the pieces like have two

[2:03:34] Voice 2: pieces to the meeting one to do with housing and one to do with like sort of forest water

[2:03:40] Voice 2: management kind of conversations because they're intersecting in that space so yeah so that would

[2:03:45] Voice 2: be one thing and related to that relates to the fifth thing which is like how are we actually

[2:03:53] Voice 2: actually um just doing better at communicating with people coming to the island and new people

[2:04:00] Voice 2: here and ensuring that we are not having this situation because it's a he says she says

[2:04:07] Voice 2: situation about i was informed i was not informed it's not my problem like really from one level

[2:04:12] Voice 2: it's not my problem and on the other level it's completely my problem right because there's due

[2:04:19] Voice 2: diligence about the fact that you're in the island's trust area and what's required right

[2:04:23] Voice 2: every property owner should know that we're not doing a very good job as the islands trust and

[2:04:30] Voice 2: help them communicate and i'm sure that that is tied into like real estate packages of what's

[2:04:36] Voice 2: going forward so i think that there's something that we have to do with real estate groups to

[2:04:41] Voice 2: like help with that issue around communication i know we have materials i

[2:04:46] Voice 3: just like how to work

[2:04:47] Voice 3: would that would that be something putting together something that goes to every insurance

[2:04:59] Voice 3: office i mean it can't be the only island that experiences people sort of moving and then being

[2:05:05] Voice 3: somewhat surprised by the fact that there's not on stress no we've and we

[2:05:10] Voice 2: have i've talked to

[2:05:11] Voice 2: claire about that like with the uh communications and i think there's more they now hire a

[2:05:15] Voice 2: communications personally so that it won't happen more but and we here have been last year we're

[2:05:21] Voice 2: trying to remember it wasn't this year but last year we did a mail out to all new people who had

[2:05:27] Voice 2: bought property and we intentionally did that so there was a couple sheets of bank that you're in

[2:05:32] Voice 2: the abstract say like fyi and who to contact and i think we had a regular method of doing that i

[2:05:38] Voice 2: know what how to do that well i

[2:05:40] Voice 6: know like i may not with the services produced this brochure called

[2:05:45] Voice 6: trading lightly yeah and everybody who buys a property yeah that's part of the package for the

[2:05:49] Voice 6: realtors so

[2:05:50] Voice 2: could we invite into maybe the i don't know when our not the main meeting is getting very

[2:05:55] Voice 2: full but maybe the like do we have a regular meeting in june as well as the community

[2:05:59] Voice 2: information meeting

[2:06:00] Voice 5: your

[2:06:01] Voice 3: next meeting july 20th

[2:06:04] Voice 2: okay so maybe if we invite into the july 20th

[2:06:07] Voice 2: meeting the uh pender island conservancy and i would love to invite the realtors like any kind

[2:06:14] Voice 2: of realtors in our community into that meeting just like and put on the agenda so we can hear

[2:06:20] Voice 2: from them in the community of town hall um just a conversation around how we're communicating

[2:06:25] Voice 2: gary within my own union

[2:06:28] Voice 5: voting

[2:06:29] Voice 3: for that yeah maybe the discussion about do you want it in

[2:06:34] Voice 3: the regular meeting or do you want to try and set up something that's maybe a little more

[2:06:38] Voice 3: coordinated with the measures and just say come to our meeting i think just i think we're just

[2:06:46] Voice 3: comfortable would it be a special talent i guess but i'd be considered a special talent hall or

[2:06:51] Voice 3: something to be able to have that conversation can we

[2:06:54] Voice 3: have it as

[2:06:55] Voice 2: a like mini community information

[2:06:56] Voice 2: meeting in the middle of our regular meeting let's just do that like i don't want to have

[2:07:00] Voice 2: another meeting that's like a lot of things that's all like very expensive having meetings

[2:07:03] Voice 2: so i think um if we do it as a community information meeting on in the july meeting

[2:07:09] Voice 2: and then but i think we do have to be proactive like we have to reach out we can do it too but

[2:07:13] Voice 2: it'd be nice to reach out specifically to the realtors on the air so

[2:07:16] Voice 6: are you in coverage still

[2:07:17] Voice 6: at 10 o'clock this morning at

[2:07:19] Voice 2: 10 30 um not right now those meetings stopped last week

[2:07:29] Voice 2: yeah so you're

[2:07:36] Voice 6: looking for a motion two

[2:07:39] Voice 4: motions is what i heard there one motion to direct staff

[2:07:43] Voice 4: to schedule a cim on the july 28th agenda and i'm not exactly sure what the topic is

[2:07:51] Voice 4: and then a second motion i heard there uh directing staff to reschedule move the meetings

[2:07:56] Voice 4: back to telephone okay so this is

[2:07:59] Voice 4: that all the meetings would be yeah

[2:08:01] Voice 2: so we'll come back to the

[2:08:02] Voice 2: meeting schedule when it's on the agenda somewhere um but the the motion here for this topic is

[2:08:09] Voice 2: around um it's around communication with new landowners is the topic so

[2:08:19] Voice 3: that's staff local

[2:08:22] local to attend

[2:08:28] Voice 3: the july 28th meeting for a special community information we're ways away

[2:08:37] Voice 4: from there so we can have more discussion around what that looks like okay but we'll just make

[2:08:45] Voice 4: sure it's on the agenda and then as we work it's a long ways away so as we work towards that i think

[2:08:49] Voice 4: it'd be so much easier to get

[2:08:50] Voice 3: a hold of like sam boy yeah great role and a couple of local people

[2:08:55] Voice 3: of just say like hey we're working on

[2:08:57] Voice 2: something yeah how do you want we're good so so did you

[2:09:00] Voice 2: catch that or no i didn't okay so what i heard was that the north front horizon trust committee

[2:09:07] Voice 2: requests staff tonight yeah to invite local realtors trust conservancy and probably the

[2:09:17] Voice 2: fire department and the fire department so i

[2:09:21] Voice 6: don't stress conservancy um

[2:09:27] Voice 6: Do you have Penrhyland Conservancy?

[2:09:31] Voice 2: Sorry, Penrhyland Conservancy, that's what I meant.

[2:09:34] Voice 2: Penrhyland Conservancy.

[2:09:37] Voice 2: And the fire department.

[2:09:39] Voice 2: I think it's all woven together, the whole thing.

[2:09:43] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:09:45] Voice 2: And what was the date, Brad?

[2:09:47] Voice 2: July 28th.

[2:09:48] Voice 2: The July 28th local trust meeting.

[2:09:52] Voice 2: meeting and I think we can just leave it at that right now because do we need community

[2:09:57] Voice 2: information meetings dated on that no we know we're good okay I think we're good okay

[2:10:02] Voice 2: okay

[2:10:03] Voice 7: north

[2:10:04] Voice 2: pender on the request uh to invite and then request an invite uh to the local realtors

[2:10:13] Voice 2: uh pender all the uncertainty and the fire department to the july 28th uh meeting

[2:10:20] Voice 2: to discuss communications with new landowners okay you're

[2:10:37] Voice 7: comfortable with that yeah okay

[2:10:38] Voice 7: okay any further discussion call the question on favor that carries

[2:10:44] Voice 7: all

[2:10:49] Voice 2: right so

[2:10:55] Voice 6: um you have the draft annual report wording

[2:11:00] Voice 6: just done a good job on that

[2:11:09] Voice 2: one thing that wasn't in here that i wanted to add was just

[2:11:12] Voice 2: that you were doing community information meetings because that was oh no it is here so

[2:11:17] Voice 2: as well as seven okay seven three information meeting faster dang okay all right that's good

[2:11:27] Voice 2: so

[2:11:27] Voice 6: we just is that just by consent that we agree or do you need a motion with that

[2:11:48] Voice 7: all right

[2:11:51] Voice 6: so now we have um the freedom of information protocol and protection of privacy

[2:11:57] Voice 6: by law this is just a standard template across local trusted areas and i think this is the third

[2:12:06] Voice 6: one i've done so stay forward any further

[2:12:11] Voice 3: purpose can

[2:12:13] Voice 2: i have just a quick question

[2:12:14] Voice 2: absolutely so this is coming down from others or is it internally i don't know why i'm not tracking

[2:12:25] Voice 2: like this is just an implementation of a provincial legislation yes so basically

[2:12:29] Voice 6: yeah it's a it's a i believe there's been some changes to legislation and so they've drawn up

[2:12:35] Voice 6: just a standard template so everybody is complying to the provincial legislation

[2:12:41] Voice 5: okay okay so

[2:12:51] Voice 3: that's correct robert it's my understanding yes the legislation's been updated

[2:12:55] Voice 3: i think

[2:13:00] Voice 2: stuff like this always makes me a little bit nervous to because i don't know

[2:13:04] Voice 2: what the implications are like i don't know what the changes are and are we agreeing i just i'm not

[2:13:10] Voice 2: i'm not sure about these things and sometimes you find out

[2:13:17] Voice 2: that's

[2:13:18] Voice 6: why it's here yeah

[2:13:19] Voice 2: but

[2:13:21] Voice 6: i i will say i think half of local trusted

[2:13:23] Voice 6: committees have approved i don't i don't believe anybody's flagged anything it didn't seem like it

[2:13:30] Voice 3: really from what i think

[2:13:31] Voice 3: it didn't really

[2:13:32] Voice 3: seem like it changed anything just the fee structure

[2:13:38] Voice 5: okay all right sure

[2:13:46] Voice 7: so it's four

[2:13:48] Voice 6: separate motions correct

[2:13:53] north ben

[2:13:53] Voice 3: around local trust committee bylaw number 233 cited as better island local trust

[2:13:59] Voice 3: committee freedom of information and protection privacy bylaw number 223 2023 you read a first

[2:14:06] Voice 6: time okay

[2:14:07] Voice 6: second morrison made for discussion call a question all in favor that carries

[2:14:12] Voice 3: that the north pender island local trust committee bylaw number two three three

[2:14:16] Voice 3: cited as north pender island local trust committee freedom of information

[2:14:21] Voice 3: protection and privacy bylaw number two three three twenty twenty three be read a second time

[2:14:26] Voice 3: seconded trustee morrison second

[2:14:28] Voice 2: if i have one question for discussion here one question for

[2:14:30] Voice 3: discussion so

[2:14:31] Voice 2: why is it that we can read something like this into a second time there's no public

[2:14:36] Voice 2: hearing is it just because it's just an

[2:14:38] Voice 6: administrative bylaw all right any other

[2:14:42] Voice 6: discussion call the question on here thank you that

[2:14:47] Voice 3: north bender island local trust committee

[2:14:49] Voice 3: bylaw number 233 cited as north bender island local trust community freedom of information

[2:14:55] Voice 3: of protection of privacy bylaw number 233 2023 through at the third time secretary

[2:15:00] Voice 3: morrison professional favor carries that north pender island local trust committee bylaw number

[2:15:06] Voice 3: 233 cited as north pender island local trust committee freedom of information protection

[2:15:11] Voice 3: of privacy bylaw number 233 2023 be forwarded secretary of the islands

[2:15:16] Voice 3: for the discussion

[2:15:20] Voice 6: carry all right

[2:15:23] Voice 6: so that's

[2:15:24] Voice 6: on the best state of care and we move on topic discussion for june 24th and we've almost covered

[2:15:34] Voice 6: that haven't we that

[2:15:36] Voice 2: sounded like there's two things housing and one was like some conversation

[2:15:41] Voice 2: around water flash how that connects with any kind of forest management concerns that people

[2:15:50] Voice 2: have it would just be good and

[2:15:51] Voice 5: i

[2:15:56] Voice 2: don't i would prefer actually that we don't necessarily have

[2:16:02] Voice 2: that staff then i would love that conversation trustee led and like and but to have the ability

[2:16:09] Voice 2: to pull up the maps or to see the maps water sustainability work and for the forest

[2:16:13] Voice 2: fragmentation stuff that was done just to have those maps available for conversation

[2:16:22] Voice 2: do you need any information for us if we did that or do you want to

[2:16:26] Voice 2: as long

[2:16:31] Voice 3: as we have pretty pictures everybody's happy it's

[2:16:34] Voice 2: really helpful to have concrete things

[2:16:36] Voice 2: in front of us to be able to talk about related to that

[2:16:38] Voice 3: maybe we could get some

[2:16:40] Voice 3: the last one

[2:16:42] Voice 2: so just a conversation around the water sustainability management i think

[2:16:48] Voice 2: that can be a single conversation because in the eyes of our community those things are interwoven

[2:16:53] Voice 3: well what the topics are but what specifically you wanted us to provide oh

[2:16:57] Voice 2: um i would live to

[2:16:58] Voice 2: see the maps again that were brought to the water information i think those ones that were around

[2:17:02] Voice 2: them those were awesome i'd like the

[2:17:04] Voice 2: layout of the deep

[2:17:05] Voice 3: deep water dpa so the ones that weren't

[2:17:07] Voice 3: and

[2:17:08] Voice 2: and then there was also a set of maps that were produced and i i'm so sorry robert but i

[2:17:14] Voice 2: literally cannot remember what you said like half an hour ago about the forest fragmentation yeah the

[2:17:19] Voice 3: cdf so

[2:17:21] Voice 2: those those maps would be very helpful to have it i think

[2:17:24] Voice 2: um and you know if you come

[2:17:27] Voice 2: across other things that you think are helpful for that conversation would be great but i those

[2:17:31] Voice 2: are the ones that are on the top of my head okay

[2:17:33] Voice 4: so just to clarify the two topics for discussion

[2:17:41] Voice 4: The second session on the June 24th meeting are groundwater sustainability slash forestry management, forestry enhancement, and the second session on affordable housing

[2:17:53] Voice 5: housing

[2:17:54] Voice 3: to that community information meeting was that when you wanted to see if we could try

[2:18:04] Voice 3: i get people from smart or

[2:18:06] Voice 2: if i were to

[2:18:07] Voice 3: attend the second half of that yeah

[2:18:09] Voice 2: so and i don't care

[2:18:10] Voice 2: which order we do them in no

[2:18:11] Voice 3: no just the way that we've been speaking it was the second part of it

[2:18:16] Voice 3: was yeah um

[2:18:18] Voice 3: but yeah whether it's first or second is

[2:18:20] Voice 2: there a logic to doing one to the other i don't

[2:18:23] Voice 2: know i

[2:18:24] Voice 3: think i i think a lot of people see it as two separate things you're giving up people and

[2:18:32] Voice 3: or passionately about the housing and people that are passionately more

[2:18:36] Voice 3: leaning towards the environment aspect of it yeah

[2:18:39] Voice 2: so the agenda would be good if we actually chunk

[2:18:42] Voice 2: time like this time is for this and then an intermission and then a second chunk of time

[2:18:47] Voice 2: so people can come and go right it's clear and we can communicate that if we get that before

[2:18:51] Voice 2: the 20th we can communicate that in our pender post whatever

[2:18:54] Voice 3: before the 20th of may yeah because

[2:18:57] Voice 2: we have to submit our kind of post by the 20th of may is it the 20th or the 19th does anybody know

[2:19:04] Voice 2: is it the 19th okay sorry by the 19th i know there was a little change and i like

[2:19:07] Voice 2: 18. okay yeah okay so if

[2:19:12] Voice 2: we can get it by the 18th that would be helpful just to give you

[2:19:16] Voice 2: um it's funny i put on the 15th on my calendar and then it like migrates forward like um

[2:19:20] Voice 2: Um, so to Aaron's point, um, if we can also just invite the fire department, we'll try

[2:19:30] Voice 2: and remember to do that ourselves as well, but it'd be helpful if we just shoot a note

[2:19:34] Voice 2: to the CRD and the fire department to come to the housing one.

[2:19:38] Voice 2: So you're in the housing one?

[2:19:40] Voice 4: It's a place of fire smart.

[2:19:42] Voice 2: Fire smart.

[2:19:42] Voice 2: It's fire smart for the forestry.

[2:19:45] Voice 3: So by fire smart, I mean, there's a provincial organization.

[2:19:48] Voice 3: when i say first organization yeah

[2:19:50] Voice 2: we have uh fire smart in southern gulf islands okay so the crd

[2:19:54] Voice 3: southern

[2:19:55] Voice 2: i think it says south castle like i know i know the folks on saturn who did the

[2:19:59] Voice 2: fire science i don't know who is the person

[2:20:01] Voice 3: emergency management

[2:20:05] Voice 3: anyway

[2:20:06] Voice 2: i would check with the crd they will know the crd will know through

[2:20:09] Voice 3: the fire department

[2:20:10] Voice 2: would we invite paul to come too i think so it's all like i think it's a good idea for those

[2:20:16] Voice 2: conversations that those can as federated community informations just to invite the

[2:20:21] Voice 2: fire department entirely and just show them the agenda and invite the crd director no

[2:20:28] Voice 2: No, we should be really trying to remember to think of ourselves.

[2:20:35] Voice 2: I just know specifically.

[2:20:40] Voice 6: So do you need motions or are you just going to jot it down?

[2:20:45] Voice 3: Was there a motion made already?

[2:20:48] Voice 2: Did you just want to talk?

[2:20:51] Voice 2: What

[2:20:52] Voice 4: are you going to do?

[2:20:55] Voice 4: Two topics for discussion.

[2:20:56] Voice 4: One is sustainability slash forestry and housing.

[2:20:59] Voice 4: brad to provide advertisement for pender post by may 15 staff to provide cdf maps groundwater

[2:21:05] Voice 4: project maps

[2:21:06] Voice 5: is there anything else but

[2:21:11] Voice 4: i haven't captured who to invite if you have

[2:21:14] Voice 4: special attendance it

[2:21:15] Voice 2: would just be good to have crd notified of the agenda and like maybe

[2:21:19] Voice 3: we'll

[2:21:20] Voice 3: yeah we'll send paul director brent the agenda yeah and let him donate to invite crd staff yeah

[2:21:31] Voice 3: that would be

[2:21:33] Voice 2: helpful and we can communicate with them too okay

[2:21:37] Voice 6: so you don't need an ocean

[2:21:39] Voice 6: you've got it captured okay all right so we're topics are done so we now discuss the next meeting

[2:21:49] Voice 6: what's the suggested start time of 10 o'clock to which we would need a motion

[2:21:56] Voice 7: move

[2:21:57] Voice 2: that the that all future meetings of the north pender

[2:22:03] Voice 7: island local trust committee

[2:22:05] Voice 7: commence at

[2:22:14] Voice 2: 10 o'clock a.m sorry all regular scheduled meetings okay

[2:22:21] Voice 2: north pender island ltc meetings commence at 10 a.m thank

[2:22:30] Voice 6: you all right second okay any further

[2:22:33] Voice 6: discussion call a question that carries thank

[2:22:36] Voice 2: you all for adjusting around that other obligation

[2:22:38] Voice 2: that i have thank you

[2:22:39] Voice 6: all righty um so we now have a town hall if you seem to be mary beth ronda

[2:22:54] Voice 7: i'm

[2:22:54] Voice 2: trying to be helpful

[2:22:57] Voice 2: um what i had my hand up for was on the water um groundwater and i think maine has a good

[2:23:07] Voice 2: perhaps would be a good example or model to follow for where to go if not a dpa because

[2:23:15] Voice 2: it's my understanding you know as you have to be chairman speaking um that um it's pretty clear

[2:23:23] Voice 2: on Maine where the water problems are and where they are not with the current studies you have

[2:23:30] Voice 2: and I think that's really what we're all looking for and I think I think it's also very intuitive

[2:23:37] Voice 2: from what I've seen everybody sort of knows where historical water problems are and what they are

[2:23:43] Voice 2: where they are and what they are and and I wonder you spoke about common sense and I wonder if we

[2:23:50] Voice 2: could just get a common sense map of the island you know visual map in our head um it would be a

[2:23:57] Voice 2: shame i mean i can't i just want you know many of us just want the whole thing to end but so i'm

[2:24:03] Voice 2: sorry to even bring this up but could we not take all the work that's been done and turn it into a

[2:24:09] Voice 2: common sense conclusion for the groundwater mapping project that does not include i think

[2:24:15] Voice 2: the direction of the cold discharge went off in a bad direction stick with the water balance

[2:24:23] Voice 2: everybody's agree on a mountain water people use that's one of the things discharge recharge

[2:24:31] Voice 2: that's another thing that is all part of it but getting carried away with all this

[2:24:35] Voice 2: dpa stuff i think was just taking a few more then briefly on on the cdf um i just from what i heard

[2:24:44] Voice 2: at the trust council level the rarity and extent and the uniqueness and problems with the cdf is in

[2:24:53] Voice 2: question um and i think that before we sort of restate things like that ad hoc and i think staff

[2:25:00] Voice 2: need to really be brought up to date on that um so i i and i and the reason i say that is because

[2:25:07] Voice 2: as you know i think there's a lot of concerns about our force that i i really wonder if we

[2:25:13] Voice 2: be more information before we get too carried away with it um and i

[2:25:18] Voice 3: think that's it thank you very

[2:25:20] Voice 7: much sketch michael michael sketch north kender island skptch with

[2:25:31] Voice 3: the very best comment i also

[2:25:33] Voice 3: wanted to say something when you were redefining the sustainability project and i think perhaps

[2:25:44] there is a good deal of documentation for what washington

[2:25:50] Voice 3: area i came across um there is a lot

[2:25:54] Voice 3: of portability that flags areas of uh fresh water vulnerability there are known uh areas on

[2:26:04] Voice 3: on any other saltwater intrusion.

[2:26:06] Voice 3: I've spoken to, I know, three waterfront lots.

[2:26:11] Voice 3: In one case, the owner has to use reverse osmosis

[2:26:16] Voice 3: desalination every summer, every summer.

[2:26:19] Voice 3: On the other two, there is saltwater intrusion.

[2:26:22] Voice 3: One person manages by boiling what comes out of the well

[2:26:27] Voice 3: to get so many liters of fresh water for drinking.

[2:26:32] Voice 3: and the other commented that um perhaps reverse of course this desalination might be a fix

[2:26:40] Voice 3: and i asked would you consider that from the ocean or from the well and we got into a sticky point

[2:26:49] Voice 3: it is not understood by the public but putting the reverse of most desalination exacerbates the

[2:26:56] Voice 3: problem and could encourage encroachment of sea water in other people's wells in the surrounding

[2:27:03] Voice 3: area so to the depletion of surface water in an area of substantive groundwater vulnerability

[2:27:15] Voice 3: could have an impact on the groundwater underneath not immediately immediately but i'm really

[2:27:20] be

[2:27:20] Voice 3: thinking of upping the density on McKenna Road quite arbitrarily without any of the proper

[2:27:27] Voice 3: thinking. And let's think about the ground water and the surface water and the ground water

[2:27:37] Voice 3: and the potential for saltwater intrusion. And I know that there is expertise available to us

[2:27:44] Voice 3: either by consultants or by staff to inform the public on those matters and inform you

[2:27:50] Voice 3: and your decisions and they should be front end in a zoning time not leave it to some some other

[2:27:56] Voice 3: government department please thank

[2:28:00] Voice 6: you did i just clarify what reach up i didn't measure

[2:28:04] Voice 6: jima is my understanding was with wells if you have salt water intrusion you have to to seal

[2:28:11] Voice 6: the well it is illegal to use a well with so much so if it it's good to your argument you know if

[2:28:18] Voice 6: somebody's drawing it out and desalinating it they're they're adding to the problem yeah and

[2:28:23] Voice 6: i believe it is illegal it is in review yeah so but nobody

[2:28:27] Voice 3: has that it's not on the website

[2:28:29] Voice 3: Not our wildlife.

[2:28:31] Voice 3: No, I understand.

[2:28:32] Voice 3: It's provincial, and it's already well-deferred

[2:28:34] Voice 3: by provincial wildlife.

[2:28:35] Voice 3: But in fact, it's a violent enforcement officer

[2:28:37] Voice 3: may have to enforce it if they're not

[2:28:40] going to go to the site of the military.

[2:28:45] Voice 6: Anybody else?

[2:28:47] Voice 5: I just want to thank you, Mr. Morrison,

[2:28:53] Voice 3: regarding that linkage between the CRO and CRT

[2:28:59] Voice 2: to be clearer and i bring this up because as one of

[2:29:04] Voice 7: the residents on the garden

[2:29:05] Voice 2: well they're not doing well and that does not include mine because i had great people

[2:29:17] Voice 2: thank you very much however just to give you a small history lesson to fix this dam

[2:29:26] Voice 2: was going to cost a million dollars to drain it was going to cost a

[2:29:31] Voice 3: million dollars they drained it

[2:29:32] Voice 2: we went to a public meeting for the neighbors with the biologists who told us there would be

[2:29:38] Voice 2: no problems with the plants that were growing in that area a local biology company has now been

[2:29:45] Voice 2: hired with another million dollars to fix a

[2:29:50] Voice 3: biology problem over the next 10 years so they

[2:29:53] Voice 3: it could have taken 2 million, fixed the problem really, really well instead of draining it.

[2:30:00] Voice 3: with no problems with wells, just to give you an update.

[2:30:07] Voice 7: Thank you very much.

[2:30:07] Voice 7: Anybody else?

[2:30:12] Voice 6: Thank you very much, everybody.

[2:30:14] Voice 6: We now need to do a motion to close the meeting.

[2:30:17] Voice 6: We have to go to Tamara to discuss this.

[2:30:20] Voice 6: We're good, so thank you very much.

[2:30:24] Voice 7: Bye.

[2:30:25] Voice 7: At the

[2:30:26] Voice 2: meeting, because that's all you're on.

[2:30:39] Voice 2: for the purpose of considering adoption of a camera in it excuse me dated march 17 2023

[2:30:48] Voice 2: appointments of abc members by law enforcement and that the reporter and staff attended meeting

[2:31:01] can i

[2:31:02] Voice 6: bring

[2:31:06] Voice 2: you back your blanket later and you want to take it now

[2:31:10] Voice 6: so since we were broadcasting so we'll just rise and report uh the only item is we're going to

[2:31:16] Voice 6: defer appointments to the advisory planning commission to a future date thank you very

[2:31:20] Voice 6: much um so if there's any further discussion if not we have to have motion for adjournment

[2:31:26] Voice 6: so we adjourn the meeting trustee campbell customer discussion

[2:31:30] Voice 6: thank you very much thanks all we'll do

[2:31:35] Voice 2: that you guys

[2:31:35] Voice 7: got a fair to go

North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
May 5, 2023 ADOPTED Page 1 of 7 
 
North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
May 5, 2023 
Anglican Parish Hall 
4703 Canal Road, RR 1, North Pender Island BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair 
 Deb Morrison, Local Trustee 
 Aaron Campbell, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Robert Kojima, Regional Planning Manager 
 Brad Smith, Island Planner 
 Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner (via Zoom) 
 Warren Dingman, Bylaw Enforcement Manager  
 Fran Munro, Recorder 
  
Others Present: Approximately 5 members of the public were present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 10:30 a.m.  He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was adopted as presented. 
 
3. TRUSTEE REPORT 
 
Trustee Campbell advised he has been meeting with people and receiving emails and letters.  
Most of their issues revolve around housing.  He attended the Housing Summit.  
 
Trustee Morrison advised of work on Fire Smart and the Forest Management issues. 
 
 
4. CHAIR'S REPORT 
 
There is agreement on a common sense approach for all and that everyone is working well 
together.  
 
The housing project on Mayne Island is taking giant steps.  The Budget from the last 
Trust Council meeting was a smoother process and sets the foundation for next year.  
A D O P T E D 

 
North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
May 5, 2023 ADOPTED Page 2 of 7 
 
 
5. ELECTORAL AREA DIRECTOR'S REPORT - None 
 
6. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
 
Michael Sketch discussed the proposed Groundwater DPA and how many trees can be removed 
per hectare.  Lots larger than 3 acres can remove 5 trees per hectare.  He questioned if this 
could be increased for firewood use. 
 
7. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING – None 
8. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
 
9. MINUTES 
9.1 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes Dated March 11, 2023 (for Adoption) 
 
By general consent, the minutes were adopted as presented. 
 
9.2 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated March 17, 2023 (for Adoption) 
By general consent, the minutes were adopted as presented. 
 
9.3 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record Dated March 17, 2023 (for Receipt) 
Received for information. 
9.4 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
9.5 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – None 
 
10. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
10.1 Follow-up Action List Dated April 2023 
 
Planner Smith advised there were none to report on. 
 
11. DELEGATIONS - None 
12. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage. 
12.1 Various Correspondence re North Pender Forestry Concerns – A total of 48 pieces of 
public correspondence have been received and provided to the LTC as a combined file. 

 
North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
May 5, 2023 ADOPTED Page 3 of 7 
Chair Maude advised the process at this point is to listen.  He advised that all letters and 
emails should be forwarded to everyone.  Trustee Morrison encouraged people to reach 
out. 
Trustee Campbell likes to get correspondence via email and encourages it.  It is more 
efficient than oral communication. 
 
13. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
13.1 Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Draft Bylaw No. 138 – For Response 
(attached) 
A long-time property owner on Saturna Island has applied to have his property rezoned 
to allow for two lots to be created on the waterfront rather than inland.  
Trustee Morrison advised this is an ongoing dilemma, getting referrals with no context 
and the policy needs to be revisited. 
Trustee Campbell advised all the information is needed to make a decision. 
NP-2023-050 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by 
the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Draft Bylaw No. 138. 
CARRIED 
 
14. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
14.1 Groundwater Project - Staff Report (attached) 
Planner Chadwick reported on the Groundwater Project.  She stated the regulations are 
included in the Land Use Bylaw and will be going to a public hearing.  She also inquired 
of the LTC how to move forward with the Official Community Plan amendments, and 
what the recommended boundaries should be.   
Trustee Campbell asked what an amendment would mean and stated it can’t be moved 
forward simply.  He questioned whether a local project can piggyback on another major 
project. 
Trustee Morrison asked if it would be a minor or major project, but that it needs more 
discussion. 
Regional Planning Manager Kojima advised the focus could shift from the Development 
Permit changes to a communication project.  
  

 
North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
May 5, 2023 ADOPTED Page 4 of 7 
NP-2023-051 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the North Pender Island  LTC amend the scope of the Groundwater 
Sustainability Implementation Project to focus on community consultation, and 
that Staff report back with a modified work plan. 
CARRIED 
15. REPORTS 
15.1 Work Program Report (attached) 
 
15.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated April 2023 
 
   Update Groundwater Project – received for information. 
 
15.1.2 Future Projects Report Dated April 2023 
 
Received for information. 
 
15.2 Applications Report Dated April 2023 (attached) - None 
 
15.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Feb 2023 (attached) - None 
 
15.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
 
15.4.1 Standing Resolutions - Staff Report (attached) 
 
Staff presented a report with recommendations concerning standing 
resolutions. 
 
NP-2023-052 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the North Pender Island LTC rescind the following standing resolutions: 
 
 a. 2005-005 
 c. 2007-146 
 d. 2011-050 
 f. 2020-011 
 g. 2020-012 
 h. 2020-026 
CARRIED 
 
15.4.2 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions (attached)  
 
 
15.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage – None 
 

 
North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
May 5, 2023 ADOPTED Page 5 of 7 
15.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report – None 
 
16. NEW BUSINESS 
16.1 North Pender LTC Protocol Agreements 
 
Trustee Morrison asked about Protocol Agreements.  
 
NP-2023-053 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee invite Director Paul Brent 
of the CRD to the North Pender Island LTC Minutes to discuss Protocol 
Agreements between the Islands Trust and the CRD. 
CARRIED 
 
16.2 Options for forest and tree management on North Pender Island 
 
Staff presented a staff report with options.  Discussion ensued regarding recent tree 
removal on Schooner Way and tree protection on the island more generally.  
Communication with property owners was a key concern. 
 
NP-2023-054 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee invite the local realtors, the 
Pender Island Conservancy and the Fire Department to the July 28 LTC meeting 
to discuss communications with new land owners. 
CARRIED 
 
16.3 Draft Annual Report Wording - for approval (attached) 
 
NP-2023-055 
  It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve the format and 
outline of contents for the 2022/23 Annual Report. 
CARRIED 
 
16.4 North Pender Island LTC Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Bylaw 
No. 233 - Request for Decision (attached) 
 
NP-2023-056 
  It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 233, cited as 
“North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information and 
Protection of Privacy Bylaw No. 233, 2023” be read a first time. 
CARRIED 
  

 
North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
May 5, 2023 ADOPTED Page 6 of 7 
NP-2023-057 
That North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 233, cited as “North 
Pender Island Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information and Protection of 
Privacy Bylaw No. 233, 2023” be read a second time. 
CARRIED 
NP-2023-058 
That North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 233, cited as “North 
Pender Island Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information and Protection of 
Privacy Bylaw No. 233, 2023” be read a third time. 
CARRIED 
NP-2023-059 
That North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 233, cited  as 
“North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information and 
Protection of Privacy Bylaw No. 233, 2023” be forwarded to the Secretary of the 
Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
 
CARRIED 
 
16.5 Topic Discussion for June 24, 2023 Special Meeting 
 
Maps should be made available for conversation for the June 24, 2023 meeting, and 
Housing, Groundwater Sustainability and Forestry should be discussed at this meeting.  
It was requested to place these topics into a Pender Post ad by the May 19 deadline. 
CRD and Fire Smart are requested to be added to the Agenda. 
 
17. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
17.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for May 26, 2023 at the Anglican Hall, Pender Island 
beginning at 10:00 a.m. 
 
NP-2023-060 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That North Pender Island Local Trust Committee schedule all Regular Business 
Meetings of the NPI LTC to commence at 10:00 a.m. 
CARRIED 
18. TOWN HALL 
Mary Beth Rondeau addressed the Groundwater issue 
Michael Sketch added further to speaker Rondeau’s comments.  He stated there are 3 
waterfront lots which have reverse osmosis.  He was not sure if it was from the ocean or a well.  
He further stated that ocean water cannot be de-salinated safely, and feels the public should be 
informed of this issue. 
Kathy Kronk feels that the Province, the CRD and Islands Trust are not doing their part. 
 

 
North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
May 5, 2023 ADOPTED Page 7 of 7 
19. CLOSED MEETING (Distributed Under Separate Cover) 
19.1 Motion to Close Meeting 
 
That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3 s. 90(1) (a)(d)(f) for the purpose of considering: 
 Adoption of In-Camera Meeting Minutes Dated March 17, 2023 
 Appointment of APC Members 
 Bylaw Enforcement 
 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.  
CARRIED 
19.2 Recall to Order 
Chair Maude recalled the meeting to order at 1:00 p.m. 
19.3 Rise and Report 
 
APC appointments have been deferred. 
 
20. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 12:45 p.m. 
 
 
 
 
_________________________ 
David Maude, Chair 
 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
_________________________ 
Fran Munro, Recorder