Thetis Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, May 6, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 19: that thank you for us can you uh speak to us please uh

[0:00:06] Voice 11: okay

[0:00:13] Voice 14: we're live great

[0:00:16] Voice 19: okay great so we can hear you okay as long as the room is fairly quiet

[0:00:21] Voice 19: so um welcome everybody to the galliano local trust committee

[0:00:31] Voice 19: we're meeting here today for a community information meeting and a public hearing

[0:00:36] Voice 19: my name is tim peterson i'm elected on lespedia island and i'm chair of the galliano local trust

[0:00:42] Voice 19: committee with me are my local local trustees lisa gabriel ben beverly and we have conor brad

[0:00:50] Voice 19: smith with us here and we have support staff at our victoria office helping us to get the

[0:00:56] Voice 19: live stream and the ability for people who can't be here in person to speak to us today so um with

[0:01:05] Voice 19: that in mind i just asked uh if the room could the quieter the room it is the better the quality will

[0:01:12] Voice 19: be for people trying to listen uh online or to look at the recording uh later on if that's the

[0:01:18] Voice 19: case so um the i just want to take a moment and acknowledge that we're here on the territory of

[0:01:28] Voice 19: of Coast Salish Peoples who've been here since time immemorial

[0:01:32] Voice 19: and be respectful of that.

[0:01:35] Voice 19: And so there's essentially two parts to our meeting today.

[0:01:39] Voice 19: The first part is a community information meeting,

[0:01:43] Voice 19: which is to address the new information since the last,

[0:01:48] Voice 19: since it was in the fall, the hearing in the fall.

[0:01:51] Voice 19: And then after that's complete,

[0:01:55] Voice 19: we'll go into the public hearing session

[0:01:59] Voice 19: and um uh let me just see i do have some notes here i'm gonna just refer to for a moment so i'm

[0:02:06] Voice 19: making sure i'm giving you all the right information um so we will be uh for the

[0:02:16] Voice 19: public hearing part we're gonna we'll have a speakers list and i'm going to um call on

[0:02:22] Voice 19: speakers and when when you're uh called the speaker and ask you to come up near the this

[0:02:26] Voice 19: camera here so that your audio can be caught um by folks listening uh who are not here in the

[0:02:34] Voice 19: building and um and i

[0:02:38] Voice 1: will there are

[0:02:39] Voice 19: going to be some people most likely uh joining us online who

[0:02:42] Voice 19: want to speak as well so i'll i'll just go back and forth a little bit and give everyone an

[0:02:48] Voice 19: opportunity um so

[0:02:53] Voice 11: here's the one i'm looking for that has my notes okay so

[0:03:04] Voice 19: we're going to start

[0:03:05] Voice 19: with the committee information meeting part we want to approve the agenda first um sure we do

[0:03:13] Voice 19: have an agenda before us thank you for that where if i put it um any amendments to the agenda okay

[0:03:23] Voice 19: okay i'll take it by consent that the agenda is approved as presented

[0:03:28] Voice 19: and the first section is the community information meeting on glrz 2014.1 crystal mountain proposed

[0:03:37] Voice 19: bylaws 257 or 256 and 257. and we're going to turn it over to planner smith to get us started

[0:03:49] Voice 19: and uh off we go

[0:03:51] Voice 18: hello everyone um just a few uh quick updates uh clarifying disability

[0:03:59] Voice 18: i am you know keith erickson here in the room who will just speak briefly to the emergency access

[0:04:05] Voice 18: agreement that's reached with the crd and the applicant and um i will just provide a few other

[0:04:11] Voice 18: updates as well so uh here we are at a public hearing for the crystal mountain application

[0:04:17] Voice 18: Next steps after this public hearing closes is the Local Trust Committee would then be in position to consider second and third reading of the proposed bylaws.

[0:04:29] Voice 18: If they do consider getting to third reading, which is required prior to the next step, which is sending the bylaws to the Islands Trust Executive Committee,

[0:04:39] Voice 18: and then the official community plan for both bylaw and bylaw 256 so the minister of municipal

[0:04:46] Voice 18: affairs as a ministry approval is also required in accordance with the islands trust act

[0:04:53] Voice 18: following the public hearing there will be no further ability for the local trust committee

[0:04:57] Voice 18: to receive public information or to have discussions about the applications in the

[0:05:04] Voice 18: public meetings uh however uh information can flow through staff uh to the local trust community

[0:05:12] Voice 18: so in with respect to emergency access over here in a minute to clarify the details

[0:05:19] Voice 18: there were a couple

[0:05:20] Voice 18: errors and i apologize for those in the public hearing notice

[0:05:23] Voice 18: uh the acreage of the rural residential lot and the f1 lot were reversed so in fact the first one

[0:05:31] Voice 18: 20.5 hectares and the row residential lot is four hectares we also had a technical glitch with uh

[0:05:38] Voice 18: when you sent in your public hearing uh information you got hunted back a notification

[0:05:45] Voice 18: to north tender and believe me we were working and scrambling behind the scenes

[0:05:49] Voice 18: trying to fix that all day uh but please rest assured that all of your information was received

[0:05:54] Voice 18: by trust staff and has been vetted for it to the trust committee and finally

[0:06:00] Voice 1: we did receive

[0:06:01] Voice 18: a note from the Penelope tribe on Thursday indicating that they are of the view that they

[0:06:09] Voice 18: have not had enough meaningful consultation on this application and as such they are

[0:06:14] Voice 18: currently opposed to it moving forward at this time they didn't indicate any specific

[0:06:30] Voice 18: So, staff will be seeking further direction from the local trust committee after this meeting, and water license, if the local trust committee got to a point where they're considering adoption, staff have said all along that given there is still a pending water license approval,

[0:06:50] Voice 18: process going on that we would recommend that if the local trust committee considers an option

[0:06:58] Voice 18: contingent in some way upon that water license approval currently my understanding is that our

[0:07:05] Voice 18: approval process is probably not assigned on water yet so

[0:07:09] Voice 18: so this is a CIM but the information

[0:07:18] Voice 18: The questions are really expected to be contained to the scope of the information I just presented.

[0:07:25] Voice 18: There have been two other CIMs already, one in September and one in the previous fall.

[0:07:31] Voice 18: All that information has been available.

[0:07:35] Voice 18: There are two binders there that have been more or less complete public record up to Wednesday.

[0:07:54] Voice 18: and i'm

[0:07:55] Voice 22: going to call

[0:07:55] Voice 18: up and i'm going to share my screen

[0:08:03] Voice 19: maybe if you come near the camera so that the folks at home

[0:08:07] Voice 19: okay everybody

[0:08:17] Voice 21: i'm keith erickson i'm uh contracting with chris

[0:08:21] Voice 21: and i've been asked to provide you with some information today about the emergency access

[0:08:31] Voice 21: designation across lot a that is part of the application and so i can clarify any details

[0:08:38] Voice 21: and i'm happy to answer questions about that i'll just i have a map but um just as a preface

[0:08:47] Voice 21: the ocp land transportation policy and the um ocp schedule c the road network plan both

[0:08:56] Voice 21: um indicate that there is a desired emergency access route linking the end of the road

[0:09:05] Voice 21: or the a pass road that travels substantively through lot a which is part of this proposal

[0:09:12] Voice 21: and owned by Crystal Mountain.

[0:09:14] Voice 21: And it would be a good time to have it.

[0:09:18] Voice 21: If not, I can just describe it.

[0:09:23] Voice 21: I'll just describe it.

[0:09:24] Voice 21: And then if we can get a map, that will be helpful,

[0:09:27] Voice 21: but it's not essential.

[0:09:30] Voice 21: So the emergency access route substantively travels

[0:09:33] Voice 21: through lot A and then a portion about 25% travels

[0:09:37] Voice 21: through neighboring lot B.

[0:09:39] Voice 21: be so crystal of the policy suggests that at the time of rezoning or subdivision is a time where

[0:09:47] Voice 21: those either highways or emergency access in this case can be designated and requested and required

[0:09:55] Voice 21: and so crystal mountain has negotiated with the capital regional district

[0:10:03] Voice 21: to register a statutory right of way,

[0:10:06] Voice 21: a legal document registered on title of the land

[0:10:11] Voice 21: that permits the capital and regional district

[0:10:15] Voice 21: or grants them the right to have emergency access

[0:10:19] Voice 21: across lot A and then also the right to maintain

[0:10:22] Voice 21: that access to a standard that's appropriate.

[0:10:26] Voice 18: Yeah.

[0:10:45] Voice 21: So a statutory right of way granting the CRD the right to have an emergency access across

[0:10:51] Voice 21: lot A. And that has been negotiated and that is pending, you know, a rezoning or subdivision

[0:10:59] Voice 21: that would be registered on title.

[0:11:01] Voice 21: um the crd was interested obviously in securing the emergency access the remaining portion 25

[0:11:10] Voice 21: of the length of the route across lot b neighboring property not owned by crystal

[0:11:15] Voice 21: mountain so crystal mountain is not able to register a document on title there

[0:11:20] Voice 21: but of course the crd wanted to have a full we had an interest in having that full access

[0:11:26] Voice 21: So we did a bit of research and looked into things and lot A is the current benefactor of a registered easement that is registered on lot B that allows the owners of lot A, their servants, agents, and those authorized by it to access and egress lot A across lot B.

[0:11:57] Voice 21: a standard sort of easement in this case the crd being the holder being the benefactor of

[0:12:06] Voice 21: a statutory right-of-way is formally authorized by crystal mountain to access lot a and therefore

[0:12:16] Voice 21: they would have the right to use that easement to get to lot a in the case of emergency for emergency

[0:12:23] Voice 21: for emergency

[0:12:23] Voice 21: access purposes specifically.

[0:12:26] Voice 21: And therefore the emergency access from Davina

[0:12:32] Voice 21: to Port-les-Pas would be completed

[0:12:37] Voice 21: if this rezoning were to go forward.

[0:12:42] Voice 21: If you want to see the map, I can show you,

[0:12:47] Voice 21: but that's the gist of it.

[0:12:49] Voice 21: And so I'm happy to...

[0:12:51] Voice 21: Are we taking questions about that now or should I sit down?

[0:13:01] Voice 21: okay so just quickly to clarify uh this red is the existing road and the the uh

[0:13:09] Voice 21: proposed emergency access route uh as per the ocp and that and the network plan

[0:13:15] Voice 21: this is the portion crossing the crystal mountain property

[0:13:20] lot a that will be formally designated through statutory right of way this is a portion through

[0:13:26] the neighboring

[0:13:26] Voice 21: lot B, where access to lot A would be via the registered easement.

[0:13:33] Voice 12: We can't see at all.

[0:13:34] Voice 21: Stand on the other side.

[0:13:36] Voice 21: I'm sorry.

[0:13:38] Voice 21: This is the registered easement portion,

[0:13:41] Voice 21: and this is the statutory right-of-way that would be registered on the page.

[0:13:45] Voice 21: I

[0:13:49] Voice 18: think that's all that you're going to speak to, Keith,

[0:13:52] Voice 18: and

[0:13:53] Voice 19: that's all that

[0:13:53] Voice 18: I have to say, Chair.

[0:13:54] Voice 18: So I'll pass it back to you.

[0:13:56] Voice 18: Okay, great.

[0:13:57] Voice 19: Great. So we'll take questions on this new information right here.

[0:14:03] Voice 14: Yes. I live at Ontovina Drive, just down from Crystal Mountain Development.

[0:14:11] Voice 14: We have a number of concerns about this emergency route.

[0:14:15] Voice 14: First of all, it does go through ITC land as well.

[0:14:18] Voice 14: I assume that they've been researching around there.

[0:14:22] Voice 14: Secondly, Crystal Mountain has been very selective in who they allow to cross their property.

[0:14:28] Voice 14: In fact, they've issued legal letters of trespass to some people because they brought the health inspector onto the property.

[0:14:35] Voice 14: So we do not feel that comfortable in having them control this access.

[0:14:42] Voice 14: And I would like to know why you can't access the property from one of your camps.

[0:14:50] Voice 14: because from Portier Pass entrance to Davina is probably, well I know exactly actually, it's 7.5k by road.

[0:14:59] Voice 14: So you're requiring cars to go an additional 7.5k down a very narrow residential road where people teach their kids to ride bikes and roller skates.

[0:15:11] Voice 14: There's a great deal of wildlife that crosses from the marsh to the forest and back.

[0:15:16] Voice 14: There are the long-toothed salamander, the rough-skinned newt, red-legged frogs.

[0:15:21] Voice 14: It's a very active bird wetland right now.

[0:15:24] Voice 14: And this road that we want to use cuts right through the heart of that.

[0:15:29] Voice 14: When we asked Brad Smith at a meeting with the residents why he wanted to use that road along Davina,

[0:15:35] Voice 14: which is a rural residential road, not one that we would ever plan at all,

[0:15:40] Voice 14: So, because it's paid a lot of money to use the other road of running a pass.

[0:15:49] Voice 14: I suggest

[0:15:50] Voice 14: that we probably have more.

[0:15:58] Voice 19: Just to get to

[0:15:59] Voice 19: the question. My

[0:16:01] Voice 14: question is, why can't they use the port air pass entrance, which they have this wonderful reason for as their main entrance instead of tracking through.

[0:16:12] Voice 22: and

[0:16:13] Voice 14: also how do we know

[0:16:16] Voice 14: and let some people through even into an emergency

[0:16:19] Voice 14: yes

[0:16:21] Voice 11: and

[0:16:23] Voice 19: i'm just just before just before the answer so i'm i'm sorry i should have

[0:16:28] Voice 19: been a little bit more clear could we have shorter more sustained questions

[0:16:34] Voice 14: i just have to

[0:16:35] Voice 14: sort of yeah

[0:16:35] Voice 19: i understand but um if if i let everyone do that we're going to be here until

[0:16:40] Voice 19: midnight so uh and and then the other thing i'm going to say is that for other people wanting to

[0:16:46] Voice 19: ask questions if you could just come up a little closer for the folks sitting at home i think you

[0:16:52] Voice 19: were close enough but uh i see people in the back so um just to clarify

[0:16:57] Voice 17: the

[0:16:58] Voice 18: information you said that

[0:16:59] Voice 18: i said i have never said that um okay

[0:17:05] Voice 11: um

[0:17:06] Voice 21: the to the question of control the statutory right-of-way

[0:17:15] Voice 21: grants the right to the crd to use that access for emergency purposes period so crystal mountain

[0:17:27] Voice 21: has no control over whether that is used for emergency access or not it isn't it is a grant

[0:17:35] Voice 21: of a right so does that i hope that answers that question um and in terms of access to the property

[0:17:48] Voice 21: uh crystal mountain will retain the easement across lot b and will be able to access the

[0:17:57] property from where they pass road

[0:18:00] Voice 21: as will they be able to access property from the dedicated public

[0:18:03] Voice 21: road which is divina road that already exists and actually touches the property which that

[0:18:12] Voice 21: road is already dedicated so it is a public road to be used so

[0:18:18] Voice 11: i'm not sure there's any other

[0:18:21] Voice 19: are. Okay, I'm going to go take you in the back here. If you could just step forward a little bit,

[0:18:29] Voice 19: that'd be great.

[0:18:30] Voice 10: Just a question. It's a bit general about statutory runaways, and you might

[0:18:34] Voice 10: know if there's wording in this one. I'd just like to understand what happens if that goes ahead

[0:18:41] Voice 10: and it's registered. What is the process for it actually becoming knowledge in the hands of our

[0:18:49] Voice 10: emergency services because i recently found out and this may have been corrected by now

[0:18:55] Voice 10: but another similar type emergency statutory right-of-way that was registered on a south

[0:19:02] Voice 10: end property that our local south end fire department have had received no information

[0:19:07] Voice 10: about it and that's like a year or more later so i'm just wondering if there's anything written in

[0:19:15] Voice 10: their statutory right away to ensure that the crd will communicate this availability to our

[0:19:21] Voice 10: emergency services so that they know

[0:19:24] Voice 10: they can open it and use it because the crd aren't here except

[0:19:27] Voice 10: through the emergency services yes so

[0:19:30] Voice 10: i'm just raising that question if anybody knows anything

[0:19:33] Voice 10: about

[0:19:34] Voice 21: this i do not know if there is a specific clause states that i do not know that i would

[0:19:41] Voice 21: imagine that there is not a specific clause that says that however this is being done in

[0:19:48] Voice 21: partnership with the north galliano fire department who will who has the authority

[0:19:56] Voice 21: to determine the state of the road so crystal mountain has formally committed to bringing that

[0:20:05] Voice 21: road linking the two public roads up to standard that is suitable to or that is overseen by the

[0:20:14] Voice 21: north galliano fire keep and so um the north galliano fire chief will be involved in inspecting

[0:20:22] Voice 21: that road to ensure that that is the case and and then so there will be knowledge of it

[0:20:29] Voice 21: intrinsically and then i would imagine i would say crystal mountain would ensure that all

[0:20:37] relevant emergency agencies have a key to

[0:20:41] Voice 21: any kind of gate that was put up there by either

[0:20:45] Voice 21: the eventual recipient of the uh the land the island's trust conservancy or crystal mountain

[0:20:51] Voice 21: themselves so keys would have to be given to all of the departments to bring both agencies as well

[0:20:58] Voice 21: So I don't think there's a formal clause in the S-115.

[0:21:02] Voice 15: Justin, maybe?

[0:21:04] Voice 15: Yeah, just in regards to your question, Sheila.

[0:21:08] Voice 15: So emergency access is when they're dedicated and are used by the CRD

[0:21:12] Voice 15: or only accessed when the CRD declares a state of emergency.

[0:21:17] Voice 15: So I negotiated that one through the southern property,

[0:21:20] Voice 15: the southern property, and that's the point of them,

[0:21:23] Voice 15: is they are not public roads.

[0:21:25] Voice 15: they are not you know just for people to use um you know if if there's a tree across the road or

[0:21:33] Voice 15: something like that right these are emergency access that can only be accessed when the crd

[0:21:39] Voice 15: declares a state of emergency okay after

[0:21:44] Voice 19: that um could i just

[0:21:45] Voice 10: um i'm aware of that

[0:21:50] Voice 10: And the point is, on this island, when we have a major issue that could be a state of emergency to some people, like huge trees down that can't be cleared from the road, because there's power lines under them, and people are separated from health services, ferry, etc., for like a day, like that's an emergency, in my opinion, on this island.

[0:22:14] Voice 10: So, I think this whole arrangement of how these are going to be accessible needs to be re-examined, because if there's a fire, it has to be quick, and we have to hope that the communications are working.

[0:22:32] Voice 10: Okay, can

[0:22:32] Voice 19: I just ask for a response? I just want to go questions, and for the sake of time, so direct questions.

[0:22:40] Voice 19: I'm sorry, it's just an important issue.

[0:22:46] Voice 15: just

[0:22:47] Voice 19: just a moment

[0:22:48] Voice 15: i'm going to let you trust me just just some clarification on that um so

[0:22:52] Voice 15: the crd and the fire departments work in concert to declare a state of emergency so if that was

[0:22:58] Voice 15: the case the fire department could get the crd declare a state of emergency on that almost

[0:23:04] Voice 15: Almost immediately.

[0:23:05] Voice 10: Right.

[0:23:05] Voice 10: Right.

[0:23:06] Voice 10: That's all we need to know.

[0:23:07] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:23:07] Voice 15: Okay.

[0:23:08] Voice 15: Jane?

[0:23:09] Voice 14: I just have taken over the emergency community coordinator position and we are planning,

[0:23:16] Voice 14: the two fire departments are planning to write to the office meeting to identify all those

[0:23:23] Voice 14: evacuation routes and also determine how the whole community

[0:23:28] Voice 12: can be aware of it.

[0:23:30] Voice 19: Great.

[0:23:30] Voice 19: Thank you for that.

[0:23:31] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:23:32] Voice 19: Okay, I saw one in front here.

[0:23:35] Voice 21: Yeah, this

[0:23:36] Voice 21: is concerning the maintenance

[0:23:37] Voice 21: of the easement section of the road

[0:23:41] Voice 21: that is not owned by Crystal Mountain.

[0:23:44] Voice 21: And the maintenance, for example,

[0:23:46] Voice 21: I understand the easement will allow the CRD

[0:23:50] Voice 21: to maintain this road.

[0:23:53] Voice 21: And it seems like it's the fire chief

[0:23:56] Voice 21: that's inspecting the road,

[0:23:58] Voice 21: as opposed to the mot or the the departments that are familiar with roads and road construction

[0:24:06] Voice 21: durability and impact and so to divest the road building quality and the determination of road

[0:24:15] Voice 21: policy to a fire chief instead of somebody who is actually qualified in a position of authority

[0:24:23] authority to understand the quality

[0:24:25] Voice 21: and durability of said road is a short so I can is there anything

[0:24:31] Voice 21: for that my understanding is that fire chief is the one that inspects driveways and roads to

[0:24:38] Voice 21: ensure that emergency vehicles can get up well I

[0:24:43] Voice 22: understand and therefore

[0:24:44] Voice 21: they are the appropriate

[0:24:46] Voice 21: authority that's that's my knowledge but i as

[0:24:50] Voice 27: an advantage

[0:24:51] Voice 21: to my question i've gone by the retreat

[0:24:55] Voice 21: island uh fire department a number of times and have noticed that their fire trucks look far more

[0:25:01] Voice 21: like four by fours than a fire truck you might see in the city they're designed to go over rough

[0:25:09] Voice 21: the terrain and complicated roads to get to isolated and remote question areas in an emergency

[0:25:17] Voice 21: the average automobile is not built like fire my question is how would the fire chief's interest be

[0:25:28] Voice 21: met in the interest of emergency access for the public and say a toyota samika instead

[0:25:35] Voice 21: instead of a four-by-four truck the

[0:25:39] Voice 18: fire chief has the authority and expertise to review dry

[0:25:44] Voice 18: waste for emergency access that's how the system is set up and those fire chiefs are experts and

[0:25:50] Voice 18: so that is the work that they do fire chiefs are experts that's yeah okay

[0:25:55] Voice 19: i'm sorry it's

[0:25:58] Voice 3: not

[0:25:58] Voice 19: a debate and and and i think i feel like your questions have been answered

[0:26:05] Voice 19: and you know we're not

[0:26:07] Voice 3: going to go

[0:26:07] Voice 19: into the merits of that system

[0:26:10] Voice 19: i'm going to move on to another question the maintenance

[0:26:13] Voice 21: of the first question was the maintenance of this section

[0:26:30] Voice 3: I just wanted

[0:26:36] Voice 12: to ask again, following

[0:26:39] Voice 5: up on someone else's question, because I still don't

[0:26:42] Voice 5: understand why the poorly a pass road cannot be used as the main road into the property rather

[0:26:49] Voice 5: than the end of divina and does that choice of road have anything to do with the zoning as

[0:26:58] Voice 5: community facility rather than economic commercial zoning

[0:27:04] Voice 21: i don't believe that's the case

[0:27:08] Voice 21: they're one of the reasons to access the property uh from the dedicated public road is because that

[0:27:18] Voice 21: is just generally good practice practice but also there is a creek that runs down through the

[0:27:25] Voice 21: property that the access from portly password crosses and that plan is also as you can see

[0:27:34] Voice 21: will be transferred in part of a nature reserve that is being transferred to the islands trust

[0:27:40] Voice 21: conservancy and so there's a few factors involved in in terms of deciding to use the dedicated

[0:27:48] Voice 21: mainly that it is already dedicated and secondarily that if you will not be crossing

[0:27:55] Voice 21: through the protected area in order to get there

[0:28:00] Voice 11: yeah thank

[0:28:02] Voice 19: you for that um did i see

[0:28:05] Voice 19: more hands over this way stand up okay and then i know i saw a hand over here earlier yes please go

[0:28:12] Voice 6: ahead just just following up from from the previous question part of the previous question

[0:28:17] Voice 6: is it the case that um a reason a strong reason to use the divina drive entrance the public road

[0:28:27] Voice 6: um the the need to the desire to use the divina drive that public road as as an entrance is

[0:28:37] Voice 6: contingent on the development being put under community facilities and utilities as opposed

[0:28:44] Voice 6: to it being in an economic activity zone which would not allow to use uh divina drive as an

[0:28:51] Voice 6: access i

[0:28:53] Voice 21: i don't understand the uh the assumption that you're making

[0:29:01] Voice 12: is

[0:29:02] Voice 5: there a different road requirement for when zoning is supposed to be i

[0:29:06] Voice 21: you know what i am

[0:29:08] Voice 21: not 100 sure i do know that a commercial property must have access from a dedicated public road

[0:29:18] Voice 21: that's one thing i've read in the ocp and other than that maybe i can defer to planner smith

[0:29:24] Voice 21: because that's it

[0:29:24] Voice 6: maybe one could read land transportation policy to uh clear up the confusion

[0:29:40] Voice 19: so the

[0:29:42] Voice 18: zoning currently proposed is as a community facility which complies with the

[0:29:47] Voice 18: land transportation policy reasons for making the road accessible through divina

[0:30:02] Voice 11: I'm sorry, I didn't hear that.

[0:30:05] Voice 18: Keith already stated the reasons why it is proposed to be used for Davina.

[0:30:11] Voice 18: As it's currently proposed as a community facility, it complies with the land transportation policy.

[0:30:17] Voice 18: If the local trust committee had or decides to rezone it to a commercial facility, then a consideration of land transportation policy would be made of that.

[0:30:31] Voice 18: that would be what we made at that

[0:30:33] Voice 18: time but currently right now they haven't so

[0:30:36] Voice 6: here we are

[0:30:37] Voice 6: it wouldn't be allowed it was it was zoned as an economic activity you wouldn't be allowed to use

[0:30:43] Voice 6: divina drive as uh as the access

[0:30:45] Voice 18: i'm not telling you that now i'm telling you where things are at

[0:30:50] Voice 18: now

[0:30:52] Voice 11: okay um can i

[0:30:57] Voice 19: see some more questions sure okay uh okay i'll take these last two questions

[0:31:07] Voice 19: and then we're going to move on succinct please i'm

[0:31:11] Voice 14: sorry succinct please okay

[0:31:13] Voice 14: um my question

[0:31:15] Voice 14: concerns uh indigenous consultation um we were told that the indigenous nations involved had

[0:31:23] Voice 14: been adequately consulted i have a

[0:31:25] Voice 14: statement to read from benelica chief counselor and do you have

[0:31:29] Voice 19: a question

[0:31:30] Voice 14: question which is do our two trustees one of whom is our first indigenous elected woman

[0:31:38] Voice 14: yes can

[0:31:39] Voice 14: we get back to the agenda please

[0:31:40] Voice 19: yeah yeah

[0:31:41] Voice 19: do you have a

[0:31:43] Voice 19: like this is about questions about the road access emergency access i already

[0:31:48] Voice 19: That's

[0:31:49] Voice 11: what

[0:31:51] Voice 12: this community

[0:31:52] Voice 19: information is about.

[0:31:54] Voice 12: Yes, but one of the new pieces of

[0:31:56] Voice 11: information concerned

[0:32:03] Voice 14: Indigenous consultation.

[0:32:05] Voice 14: I

[0:32:05] Voice 7: wanted to ask

[0:32:06] Voice 14: if you consider a letter to the agency set in September 2021, which the

[0:32:13] Voice 14: penelicate says when to a band office closed for covid uh is meaningful consultation under

[0:32:19] Voice 14: the terms of the new uh trust policy reconciling action um lisa told me that there is more yeah

[0:32:27] Voice 14: i'm

[0:32:28] Voice 19: going to take the point of order so

[0:32:30] Voice 14: now that there's new funding can they be

[0:32:32] Voice 14: yeah okay

[0:32:36] Voice 19: i'm gonna move on uh last question i

[0:32:39] Voice 14: didn't get an answer

[0:32:41] Voice 19: sorry what what was the question the answer

[0:32:43] Voice 14: was do you want to trustees consider that

[0:32:45] Voice 14: to be meaningful proper consult consultation with indigenous nations

[0:33:02] Voice 19: final question please

[0:33:03] Voice 19: uh and new question please

[0:33:08] Voice 21: it wasn't in question it wasn't received the first time okay so if it

[0:33:13] Voice 21: wasn't received it comes in question the question is who is going to maintain the property rights

[0:33:20] Voice 21: the easement on the property that is not under crystal mountains authority i can answer that so

[0:33:29] Voice 21: So the CRD is given the right to maintain those accesses and would have ultimate responsibility

[0:33:39] for maintaining the

[0:33:41] Voice 21: statutory right of way and do you want an answer?

[0:33:46] Voice 21: Well, they have the ultimate responsibility.

[0:33:49] Voice 21: They have that right to do so and their agents or whoever they deem as the appropriate people

[0:33:58] Voice 21: to do the how did crystal man and crystal mountain as good neighbors have committed

[0:34:08] Voice 21: to doing the annual sort of clearing of trees and things of that nature on the entire length

[0:34:17] Voice 21: so you're answering my question by saying crystal mountain is doing the maintenance

[0:34:22] Voice 21: on the easement of the property that's not theirs i said that they have volunteered as good neighbors

[0:34:30] Voice 21: to as they when they go out and clear their own property and driveway to also

[0:34:38] Voice 21: that's

[0:34:39] Voice 19: what i just said what they're not doing what they don't have responses

[0:34:42] Voice 19: we're not going to we're not going to get into a debate about this it's exactly the question

[0:34:48] Voice 19: crd is responsible because your mom is going to

[0:34:51] Voice 19: do some of the

[0:34:51] Voice 21: work there's a confusion that's

[0:34:53] Voice 21: been presented here mr chair yes that is uh leading to a non-answer question but the eagerness

[0:35:04] Voice 21: to move on here is far beyond the sensibility of understanding and as i understand it what i've

[0:35:11] Voice 21: heard and you may disagree or agree is that part of the property that is not under crystal

[0:35:18] Voice 21: crystal mountains authority is going to be maintained voluntarily as a good neighbor

[0:35:24] Voice 21: by crystal mountain that's correct so instead of replacing it now

[0:35:31] Voice 21: also said that uh crd has the right to maintain the road okay the question was originally

[0:35:42] Voice 21: does that right extend to the property that is not crystal mountain yes and was that right given

[0:35:48] Voice 21: by the owner and Crystal Mountain has the right to make the portion of the

[0:36:02] Voice 21: roadway that goes across as well as the right to exclude public until there is

[0:36:11] Voice 21: is a declared emergency, a publicly declared emergency.

[0:36:16] Voice 21: There is no right to exclude public.

[0:36:19] Voice 21: I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[0:36:20] Voice 21: Is

[0:36:20] Voice 19: not excluding the public.

[0:36:22] Voice 19: In the right easement, it says

[0:36:23] Voice 21: not the public.

[0:36:24] Voice 21: Okay,

[0:36:25] Voice 19: sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, this is not a debate.

[0:36:31] Voice 19: You've asked questions, you've asked questions.

[0:36:34] Voice 19: I'm gonna ask you to please be quiet and let us move on.

[0:36:38] Voice 19: We've had a couple of questions.

[0:36:40] Voice 19: i feel they've been answered it's not that maybe

[0:36:43] Voice 21: i need to

[0:36:43] Voice 19: make a question

[0:36:51] Voice 11: sir

[0:36:52] Voice 19: i'm gonna ask i have to ask you to just please to maintain some decorum here

[0:36:57] Voice 19: thank you or i'm gonna you know okay i already said

[0:37:01] Voice 19: yours was going to be the final question

[0:37:03] Voice 19: we've taken it we've got

[0:37:04] Voice 19: an answer we're going to move on i

[0:37:07] Voice 14: didn't get an answer to my question

[0:37:10] Voice 14: which is

[0:37:11] Voice 12: that's

[0:37:13] Voice 19: not relevant to the emergency access sorry

[0:37:17] Voice 19: all right so we're going to close uh the community information uh meeting portion here

[0:37:32] Voice 6: pardon me

[0:37:34] Voice 6: well planner raised

[0:37:36] Voice 18: you had your opportunity that was for any question

[0:37:39] Voice 19: okay well i'm sorry the chair just said we're

[0:37:42] Voice 17: going

[0:37:43] Voice 19: to close the community information

[0:37:44] Voice 19: portion of the meeting and then we're going to move into the public hearing portion all right

[0:37:52] Voice 19: okay so given that uh i'm going to declare the public hearing for proposed bylaws

[0:38:01] Voice 19: 256 and 257 now open i want to welcome everyone here and acknowledge that we're meeting on the

[0:38:08] Voice 19: territory of coast salish first nations i am trustee tim peterson i'm the chair of galliano

[0:38:15] Voice 19: local trust committee we have uh galliano local trustees lisa bro and maberly and islands trust

[0:38:24] Voice 19: planner brad smith and we have a minute taker and uh reporter online um there's a lot of people here

[0:38:32] Voice 19: so considering the number of people and our intent to give everyone the chance to speak

[0:38:40] Voice 19: I

[0:38:41] Voice 1: would advise that

[0:38:42] Voice 19: the public hearing will start today and may be adjourned and reconvened.

[0:38:47] Voice 19: An announcement will be made later in the public hearing prior to the adjournment if the hearing is to be reconvened.

[0:38:55] Voice 19: So this public hearing is being convened pursuant to section 465 of the Local Government Act in order to consider the following proposed bylaws.

[0:39:04] Voice 19: proposed bylaw number 256 cited as galliano official committee's plan plan bylaw 108 1995

[0:39:12] Voice 19: amendment number 1 2016 and proposed bylaw number 257 cited as galliano island land use bylaw 127

[0:39:21] Voice 19: 1999 amendment number 1 2016 all persons who believe that their interest in property is

[0:39:29] Voice 19: affected by the proposed bylaws will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present

[0:39:34] Voice 19: and written submissions respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaws those wishing

[0:39:40] Voice 19: to speak should commence their presentation by clearly stating their name and address and i'll

[0:39:44] Voice 19: ask you to come up near the camera so you can be heard online members of the local trust

[0:39:51] Voice 19: committee may if they wish ask questions of you following your presentation however the main

[0:39:56] Voice 19: function of the local trust committee members is to listen to the views of the public it's not the

[0:40:01] Voice 19: function of the committee members to debate the merits of the pros proposed bylaws with

[0:40:05] Voice 19: individual citizens everyone will get be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard and no one

[0:40:12] Voice 19: should feel discouraged from presenting his or her views in consideration the pros proposed bylaws

[0:40:17] Voice 19: the local trust committee has received documents which may influence its decision those documents

[0:40:23] Voice 19: are available for review during this hearing the binders on our website and as indicated in the

[0:40:31] Voice 19: public hearing notice any person who wishes to present a written submission to the local trust

[0:40:37] Voice 19: trust committee may do so and all written submissions must be seen by the local trust

[0:40:42] Voice 19: committee before the close of this hearing your only opportunity to comment on the proposed

[0:40:49] Voice 19: bylaws is during this hearing as members of the local trust committee may not receive further

[0:40:54] Voice 19: submissions after the close of the hearing after this public hearing has conducted the local trust

[0:41:00] Voice 19: committee may without further notice make whatever decision it seems proper with respect to the bylaws

[0:41:05] Voice 19: that is the subject of the public hearing and at this point i'm going to turn it over to uh island

[0:41:12] Voice 19: planner brad smith he's going to summarize the public hearing notice key points the bylaw and

[0:41:17] Voice 19: referral agency responses

[0:41:18] Voice 18: as well so public notice was sent out a copy of this notice was advertised

[0:41:29] Voice 18: in two consecutive editions of the driftwood on april 19th and april 26 2023 all notification

[0:41:35] Voice 18: requirements on the local government act have been completed it was also inserted in the april

[0:41:39] Voice 18: 2023 issue of the active page as per the ltc standing resolution there's a copy of the complete

[0:41:45] Voice 18: public hearing reminder available during this public hearing it is located on the island's

[0:41:49] Voice 18: trust website under the current applications page the purpose of proposed bylaws 256 and 257

[0:41:58] Voice 18: If adopted, we'll amend the Galeano Island land use bylaw number 127 and the Galeano

[0:42:04] Voice 18: Island's official community plan number 108 by rezoning and redesignating district lot 90, lot 9, and district lot 88 and 89, lot A, North Galeano Island, to allow for the development of a spiritual education retreat facility.

[0:42:17] Voice 18: So the lot nine is currently zone rule two

[0:42:21] Voice 18: and lot eight is zone forest one.

[0:42:24] Voice 18: The proposed bylaws will refer to the Ministry of Affairs,

[0:42:28] Voice 18: Ministry of Forest, Land and Natural Resource Operations,

[0:42:31] Voice 18: Water Protection Branch,

[0:42:32] Voice 18: the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure,

[0:42:35] Voice 18: Galliano Island Trail Society,

[0:42:37] Voice 18: the Capital Regional District,

[0:42:39] Voice 18: Island Health, the Galliano Island Fire and Rescue

[0:42:42] Voice 18: North Department, the Gambier,

[0:42:44] Voice 18: Maine, Salt Spring and Thetis Island

[0:42:45] Voice 18: Local Trust Committees for comment.

[0:42:47] Voice 18: It was also referred to Cowichan Tribes, Halal First Nation, Lake Cowichan First Nation,

[0:42:52] Voice 18: Laiakson First Nation, Malahat First Nation, Musqueam Indian Band,

[0:42:56] Voice 18: Pakwichan First Nation, Penelika Tribe, Semiamu First Nation,

[0:43:01] Voice 18: Seneamus First Nation, Sarslet First Nation, Seau First Nation,

[0:43:05] Voice 18: Siwasun First Nation, Sekum First Nation, and the Wasanik Leadership Council for comment.

[0:43:10] Voice 18: The number of public submissions received as of right now is 86.

[0:43:17] Voice 18: Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[0:43:19] Voice 19: Okay, thank you.

[0:43:20] Voice 19: And did we get speakers?

[0:43:23] Voice 19: Let's start it up.

[0:43:24] Voice 19: Yes. Okay, great.

[0:43:26] Voice 19: That's great.

[0:43:27] Voice 19: So submissions can be made anytime during

[0:43:31] Voice 19: and until the close of the meeting.

[0:43:33] Voice 19: If any submissions are received during the meeting,

[0:43:36] Voice 19: we'll pause prior to closing this meeting

[0:43:38] Voice 19: to ensure that the LTC has time to review them.

[0:43:40] Voice 19: Talk about the written submissions.

[0:43:43] Voice 19: So I'm gonna invite members of the public

[0:43:46] Voice 19: who wish to speak uh i'm going to call out by using the speakers list and i have um i have

[0:43:56] Voice 19: some participants online so i i will uh do i will uh give them an opportunity to speak too

[0:44:07] Voice 19: and yeah and uh we're going to we're going to start with a three minute um uh time for each

[0:44:17] Voice 19: speaker and uh there there is uh i believe that there's an opportunity for there is always i'm

[0:44:25] Voice 19: sorry there's always an opportunity to speak the second time of the public hearing um depending on

[0:44:31] Voice 19: how many people speak uh that the time allotment for the second chance to speak maybe a little bit

[0:44:39] Voice 19: shorter and let's see it said please state your name prior to making comments after your

[0:44:49] Voice 19: presentation the ltc trustees may ask you questions but their primary hearing to listen and will not

[0:44:55] Voice 19: be the issues i will call three times for speakers before closing the hearing at which point no

[0:45:01] Voice 19: further written or oral submissions can be made and so i'm going to start with the speakers list

[0:45:11] Voice 19: and first we have Colleen Dottie.

[0:45:17] Voice 19: If you would come up here,

[0:45:19] Voice 11: I will get it.

[0:45:23] Voice 19: Oh, it could have it, sorry, I was announced earlier,

[0:45:28] Voice 19: but, well, I'm gonna need to use it to call people

[0:45:36] Voice 19: as we go as well, but I'll stick it right up here,

[0:45:43] Voice 19: stick it right up here where actually it's easier

[0:45:45] Voice 19: and reach for me to begin with just gonna check and see what they're saying oh yeah and so uh

[0:45:57] Voice 19: online attendees if you click on the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen

[0:46:04] Voice 19: then i will come and look for you and call on you and there will be a window to pop up that

[0:46:13] will ask you to accept the promotion click accept so

[0:46:17] Voice 19: you can speak and you can share your video if

[0:46:19] Voice 19: you choose

[0:46:20] Voice 19: i'll just give a moment for that line to slow it down here and let people get settled

[0:46:36] Voice 19: again so that we can so that we can be quiet and respectfully listen to the speakers as they come up

[0:46:45] Voice 19: um okay so colleen you're first so please go ahead

[0:46:50] Voice 14: okay uh thank you very much chair peterson my name

[0:46:53] Voice 14: is colleen dodie at 654 borough road on galliano i fully support the proposed bylaws before you today

[0:47:02] Voice 14: over the last several years the applicants have worked diligently to address community concerns

[0:47:08] Voice 14: staff have worked carefully and thoughtfully with the local trust committees and the applicants to

[0:47:15] Voice 14: bring forward a strong application without a road map or agency funding the applicants have done

[0:47:21] Voice 14: done more than any other applicant on Galeano Island

[0:47:25] Voice 14: to consult with the Connecticut.

[0:47:27] Voice 14: This is the seventh LTC to preside

[0:47:30] Voice 14: over Crystal Mountain's proposal.

[0:47:32] Voice 14: I am satisfied that staff, the LTC and the applicants

[0:47:36] Voice 14: have conducted due diligence.

[0:47:38] Voice 14: I support giving second and third readings

[0:47:40] Voice 14: to the proposed bylaws.

[0:47:42] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:47:44] Voice 19: Okay, thank you for that.

[0:47:45] Voice 19: I'm just gonna take a moment for the people online

[0:47:49] Voice 19: mind to remind you once more so we have seven attendees online if you'd like to address the

[0:47:56] Voice 19: public hearing today the local trust committee um please find the hand eye the raise hand icon

[0:48:02] Voice 19: at the bottom of your zoom screen and hit raise hand and i will keep an eye on your

[0:48:09] Voice 19: list all right now i don't see any hands raised online so i'm going to go back to the list here

[0:48:16] Voice 19: And so next is Elizabeth Latta.

[0:48:23] Voice 28: Thank you, Christy.

[0:48:25] Voice 28: Elizabeth Latta, 1029 Montague Road.

[0:48:28] Voice 28: I'm sorry, I have to read this.

[0:48:30] Voice 28: Otherwise, I won't get through it.

[0:48:33] Voice 28: Change is a constant in life.

[0:48:34] Voice 28: It is frightening, challenging, and just plain difficult.

[0:48:37] Voice 28: I know because I'm aging, and aging involves change and apparent loss.

[0:48:42] Voice 28: But I believe that the Crystal Mountain Society has embarked upon a change process to create a space for reflection and an nourishing of spirit by creating a bylaw which will give the opportunity for everyone on this island and in this ever-shifting world to retreat and find an attitude towards change that will nurture the individual, the community, and beyond.

[0:49:04] Voice 28: on crystal mountain committed to and carried through with the process which has involved a

[0:49:09] Voice 28: collaborative consultative and open process with members of the community to design a retreat on

[0:49:15] Voice 28: their land which will be available to all while respecting the environment to deal with the

[0:49:21] Voice 28: to deal with the changes in our fast shifting existence we need a wisdom which can only come

[0:49:26] Voice 28: with reflection and understanding of the dynamics of a rapidly changing world i believe that crystal

[0:49:32] Voice 28: the mountain can offer that sanctuary in the attempt to reach out to all those people in the

[0:49:37] Voice 28: immediate environments who might be affected by or wish to take advantage of this retreat center

[0:49:42] Voice 28: they have meant they have had many meetings with the community both north and south on galliano

[0:49:48] Voice 28: as well they have reached out to the penelakut on their island to the north

[0:49:52] Voice 28: in an initial meeting with them they were well received and they offered a collaborative approach

[0:49:56] Voice 28: to the use of the land understanding that first nations people have a long-standing claim to

[0:50:02] Voice 28: to all lands on Galliano and in BC.

[0:50:04] Voice 28: They have not been able to have a further consultation

[0:50:07] Voice 28: with the Penelakut,

[0:50:08] Voice 28: though not through lack of attempting such a meeting.

[0:50:11] Voice 28: And I understand that recently

[0:50:12] Voice 28: this friendly collaborative agreement has come into question

[0:50:15] Voice 28: though there are no particulars which can be addressed.

[0:50:18] Voice 28: What information was recently given to the Penelakut

[0:50:22] Voice 28: and by whom is in question at this time.

[0:50:25] Voice 28: Such consultation must be established

[0:50:27] Voice 28: on a nation to nation basis,

[0:50:28] Voice 28: something which the Adamus Trust will have to initiate

[0:50:31] Voice 28: as a new process to have a validity that both communities can be comfortable with such a formal

[0:50:37] Voice 28: pathway does not yet exist but this should not stop the process of moving forward this application

[0:50:43] Voice 28: there is no such thing as perfection perfection means a type of death this rezoning process may

[0:50:49] Voice 28: not be perfect but it is a starting point and opportunity to move forward thank you

[0:50:55] Voice 19: okay thank you

[0:50:56] Voice 19: and everyone with folks please turn your volume off just to be respectful here

[0:51:05] Voice 15: yeah

[0:51:05] Voice 19: and also no applause no more than booze neither are appreciated or requested

[0:51:14] Voice 19: um and next speaker we have doug latta and for anyone that came in late there's a speaker's

[0:51:23] Voice 19: list here and every operating submissions you can give out to platter smith here

[0:51:29] Voice 19: as long as it before the closing of

[0:51:31] Voice 11: the hearing hello

[0:51:38] Voice 27: my name is

[0:51:38] Voice 27: first i'm in favor of crystal metal in favor of their application i have been impressed by the

[0:51:52] Voice 27: number of galilean residents who see the merits of having a retreat center here and i firmly

[0:51:59] Voice 27: we believe that the crystal mountain association will be able to look after the land in a

[0:52:08] Voice 27: respectable manner secondly the question of including the penelope indigenous community

[0:52:14] Voice 27: in this land use decision was asked at the cma community information at that time it was

[0:52:23] Voice 27: explained that communication between the crystal mountain and the penelope have occurred on an

[0:52:31] Voice 27: on an informal basis.

[0:52:33] Voice 27: Crystal Mountain met with the Penelaketa elders

[0:52:37] Voice 27: and were invited to a formal meeting

[0:52:39] Voice 27: on Penelaketa Island.

[0:52:42] Voice 27: Because there is no island trust protocol established

[0:52:48] Voice 27: to consult with indigenous communities

[0:52:52] Voice 27: on matters of land use,

[0:52:54] Voice 27: no official consultations have been held.

[0:53:01] Voice 27: The indigenous community need to be consulted

[0:53:04] Voice 27: it on land use issues i feel that chris alone has gone further than any other organization

[0:53:13] Voice 27: to consult with the penelope i think the application should move forward thank you

[0:53:20] Voice 3: okay

[0:53:21] Voice 19: thank you for that and next up is patrick ramsey uh

[0:53:31] Voice 16: yes hi i'm patrick ramsey i'm on from

[0:53:33] Voice 16: from 265 Sticks Allison Road, and good afternoon.

[0:53:37] Voice 16: I'm speaking today as an individual,

[0:53:39] Voice 16: not as a member of any particular organization on Galliano.

[0:53:44] Voice 16: My first visit to Galliano was in 2004

[0:53:48] Voice 16: for a one-week retreat hosted by Crystal Mountain.

[0:53:51] Voice 16: I'd never done anything like this before,

[0:53:53] Voice 16: and in writing this short piece,

[0:53:54] Voice 16: I remembered a surprising statement

[0:53:56] Voice 16: that Mark Webber made that very first talk.

[0:54:00] Voice 16: He said that no matter what was taught,

[0:54:02] Voice 16: no matter how clear the view might seem most important thing for each of us to do was to

[0:54:08] Voice 16: question test drive and do our own research with regards to every word spoken i've carried that

[0:54:15] Voice 16: insight forward ever since and with regards to this application i've applied the same criteria

[0:54:21] Voice 16: that was pointed out almost 20 years ago i've listened to the meetings read the relevant

[0:54:27] Voice 16: documents spoken directly with the planning department the consultants and the applicants

[0:54:33] Voice 16: I've also read all the letters from the local residents and recognize that even if we move forward today, additional hurdles need to be cleared.

[0:54:41] Voice 16: With that being said, I'm comfortable as a member and volunteer in this community, and as someone whose life has been profoundly changed through hearing some wise words

[0:54:51] Voice 16: to say that I'm wholly in favor and supportive of moving the Crystal Mountain application forward. Thank you. I guess you want copies of these?

[0:55:00] Voice 16: uh

[0:55:01] Voice 19: look there's yeah there's written if you can hear that'd be great okay sheila anderson

[0:55:14] Voice 11: thank you my

[0:55:16] Voice 10: name is sheila anderson i live at 176 guston road on galliano i did write to you

[0:55:23] Voice 10: um a submission which um i did see get posted but i doubt if it's in there but i i won't read it

[0:55:32] Voice 10: again here but something I had wanted to do um I didn't have time for but I did I did it today um

[0:55:43] Voice 10: is I wanted just to present to you um a comparison of fragmentation levels of forest land

[0:55:55] Voice 10: and the different levels that would be created by

[0:55:59] Voice 11: this proposal as the current

[0:56:05] Voice 11: is to change from two

[0:56:07] Voice 10: areas to one and what it would look like without this proposal so um i

[0:56:14] Voice 10: don't have a color printer so i colored it and i'm going to turn this in i can send it to you by email

[0:56:19] Voice 10: and color but i can't so it just shows how um the most fragmentation is as we have it now with two

[0:56:30] Voice 10: two separate areas and all around the green there is the forest or nature protection around

[0:56:36] Voice 10: that.

[0:56:36] Voice 10: The second one is if it's changed to one area of development instead of two.

[0:56:42] Voice 10: And again, all the green is the forest or the nature protection around it.

[0:56:47] Voice 10: And then the bottom one is just what it would look like without it at all.

[0:56:50] Voice 10: So I just wanted to submit that because I know this trust committee has not considered

[0:56:56] Voice 10: the question of whether this proposal is achieving minimal fragmentation or not the previous trust

[0:57:04] Voice 10: committee did and i think it's a very important issue for you to be confident in because there

[0:57:11] Voice 10: is a trust policy around that that goal of minimizing the fragmentation of the forest land

[0:57:17] Voice 10: and the forest itself and the ecosystem.

[0:57:20] Voice 10: So who should I give this to?

[0:57:23] Voice 10: Brad, you

[0:57:24] Voice 11: have a good choice.

[0:57:25] Voice 11: Thank

[0:57:27] Voice 12: you very much.

[0:57:30] Voice 19: Okay, thank you.

[0:57:34] Voice 19: Next, Lorelei Allen.

[0:57:40] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:57:41] Voice 14: My name is Lorelei Allen.

[0:57:44] Voice 14: I live at 70 Bluff Road East,

[0:57:47] Voice 14: and I have a letter from my husband, Michael Norgang,

[0:57:52] Voice 14: who could not be here today, and myself.

[0:57:56] Voice 14: We support Crystal Mountain Society's rezoning application

[0:57:59] Voice 14: for a spiritual education forest retreat center.

[0:58:03] Voice 14: Crystal Mountain retreats and events

[0:58:06] Voice 14: provide a much needed respite to city dwellers

[0:58:09] Voice 28: and other visitors, but are also

[0:58:11] Voice 14: open to Galliano residents.

[0:58:14] Voice 14: Buddhist teachings are focused on compassion,

[0:58:18] Voice 14: kindness, and mindfulness.

[0:58:20] Voice 14: We are extremely fortunate to have access

[0:58:23] Voice 14: to these teachings right here in our own community.

[0:58:27] Voice 14: Opponents have argued that Crystal Mountain Society

[0:58:31] Voice 14: should be considered a commercial facility,

[0:58:34] Voice 14: but this idea seems very removed from reality.

[0:58:38] Voice 14: Crystal Mountain Society has been

[0:58:40] Voice 14: a registered Canadian charity since 1976.

[0:58:45] Voice 14: And I quote, a nonprofit society may be registered

[0:58:49] Voice 14: as a Canadian charity only if its purposes

[0:58:52] Voice 14: are exclusively for the public benefit.

[0:58:55] Voice 14: What could be more beneficial than a retreat

[0:58:58] Voice 14: where people can meditate, find peace within themselves

[0:59:01] Voice 14: and learn to extend kindness and compassion

[0:59:05] Voice 14: to the rest of us.

[0:59:07] Voice 14: Relating to our bylaws, Crystal Mountain Society

[0:59:10] Voice 14: has fulfilled all of the requests made to them

[0:59:13] Voice 14: since the rezoning process began 20-ish years ago.

[0:59:18] Voice 14: Most of the original land

[0:59:20] Voice 14: would become part of the public land trust

[0:59:22] Voice 14: and protected from future development please move the proposal forward so that crystal mountain

[0:59:27] Voice 14: society can continue with their work which is a benefit to our local community and to the entire

[0:59:34] Voice 14: world thank you and

[0:59:40] Voice 11: i emailed that as well okay stephen ryback stephen

[0:59:51] Voice 8: ryback 289 link letter

[0:59:53] Voice 8: this has been a very very long and rocky road

[1:00:00] Voice 8: Now that we've reached this point, I guess I can say I have some grudging support for the rezoning application.

[1:00:09] Voice 8: However, I would urge trustees to take a long and serious look at the classification of Crystal Mountain as a community facility rather than a business, education, or a commercial facility.

[1:00:28] Voice 8: Yes, Crystal Mountain is a nonprofit educational enterprise, but one run on a commercial cost recovery basis.

[1:00:39] Voice 8: Other educational endeavors have been categorized as either a business or a commercial facility and have functioned very, very well within the OCP.

[1:00:52] Voice 8: Classifying Crystal Mountain as a community facility may be undermining one of the basic pillars of our OCP.

[1:01:01] Voice 8: If you compare Crystal Mountain with other community facilities, it does not measure up.

[1:01:11] Voice 8: Please take another look at the classification of this rezoning application. Thank you.

[1:01:25] Voice 3: thank

[1:01:30] Voice 14: you and thank you for your hard work um I'm Dr. Cheryl Fraser I'm a psychologist I live

[1:01:35] Voice 14: in Maple Bay I don't live on Galliano am I still allowed to speak for a few minutes is that

[1:01:40] Voice 14: appropriate or not thank you so I've been coming to Galliano since I was a small child my father

[1:01:49] Voice 14: started harbor air my sister's an orca researcher who researches jpod and we're very much part of

[1:01:56] Voice 14: the gulf island community although we make our home on vancouver island as a psychologist and

[1:02:02] Voice 14: as a student of meditation i've had the pleasure to come to crystal mountains land for the last 23

[1:02:08] Voice 14: years and participate in hearing some teachings and most of all having the solace solitude and

[1:02:15] Voice 14: silence, of retreating from life in a way that is wholesome to train our minds. As a psychologist,

[1:02:22] Voice 14: I'm also a meditation teacher. I teach many students on Vancouver Island, some of whom have

[1:02:27] Voice 14: come here to be on Gatlin and O and to be on Crystal Mountain. The psychological, physiological,

[1:02:34] Voice 14: and relational health benefits of mindfulness and meditation are dizzyingly supported by research at

[1:02:42] Voice 14: this time and i commend all of you for considering continuing in whatever way fits for this island

[1:02:48] Voice 14: to support the training of minds and hearts not only us perhaps slightly gray-haired persons

[1:02:55] Voice 14: myself included but in the next generations who are struggling perhaps more with emotional

[1:03:00] Voice 14: regulation with addiction and with the need to find their ways including our indigenous persons

[1:03:07] Voice 14: and else, to a place of retreat, to connection, to be supported by kind and well-meaning beings,

[1:03:14] Voice 14: to train our minds, and to support the islands, the lands we love, the flora, the fauna,

[1:03:21] Voice 14: the water rights, the issues that you are all far better than I able to speak to.

[1:03:26] Voice 14: Also, mindfulness meditation can

[1:03:28] Voice 13: help in contentious emotional discussions,

[1:03:32] Voice 11: and I commend all of you in such an opportunity.

[1:03:43] Voice 19: Yeah, I

[1:03:44] Voice 15: was just gonna say, right

[1:03:45] Voice 19: here in the front, your light is on on your phone.

[1:03:53] Voice 19: And we'll just take a moment and for anyone that might have come in, there is a sign up

[1:03:58] Voice 19: sheet if you wish to speak.

[1:04:00] Voice 19: And I'll just

[1:04:01] Voice 19: take another opportunity anyone who's joining us online, I finally see a hand

[1:04:07] Voice 19: online.

[1:04:07] Voice 19: online uh anyone who else online if you put the race click the raise hand i can see that you've

[1:04:15] Voice 19: done so and so emma i'm going to allow you to talk now so if you unmute yourself emma you should be

[1:04:26] Voice 19: able to address us okay please go ahead so just lagging a bit here but you can unmute let me know

[1:04:46] Voice 19: know if

[1:04:46] Voice 11: you can hear me? Okay, I

[1:04:48] Voice 2: can hear you.

[1:04:49] Voice 19: All right, so please go ahead.

[1:04:53] Voice 2: Thank you for giving me

[1:04:55] Voice 2: an opportunity to speak. My name is Emma Davis.

[1:04:57] Voice 2: I live at 715 Poirier. I'd like to speak briefly

[1:05:00] Voice 2: in support of the Crystal Mountain application. Lots of folks who have spoken in support have

[1:05:04] Voice 2: raised many great points that I will not repeat, but I agree with much of what has been said in

[1:05:11] Voice 2: supportive of the application. I'd just like to kind of speak to another piece that I haven't

[1:05:17] Voice 2: heard anyone mention yet, which is that Galliano has a long precedent of being a place where people

[1:05:21] Voice 2: come to learn in the wilderness. And as I see it, what Crystal Mountain is doing is similar to

[1:05:27] Voice 2: the Conservancy, which received a recent rezoning for the MLC, the Millard Learning Centre,

[1:05:33] Voice 2: or in some ways the Woodstone when it was rezoned as a health treatment facility, or the film school,

[1:05:39] Voice 2: which also received a rezoning many years ago. We know that Galliano's unique environment is a

[1:05:44] Voice 2: valuable thing for people to come be immersed in and learn in and these activities benefit

[1:05:49] Voice 2: our community whose members have access to the programming as some folks have mentioned

[1:05:53] Voice 2: and they also benefit our community through gentle economic benefits such as job creation

[1:05:57] Voice 2: but mostly as I see it they benefit Galliano because any alternative uses for this lot

[1:06:02] Voice 2: cannot possibly have as light a footprint as Crystal Mountains use. I support this activity

[1:06:08] Voice 2: in our community and i urge the committee to approve the application thank you

[1:06:20] Voice 11: okay next

[1:06:22] Voice 19: on the speaker's list uh susan van alsen

[1:06:48] Voice 11: and

[1:06:48] Voice 14: i i did submit this letter but i'm going to leave it um please accept this letter as one of

[1:06:54] Voice 14: support for crystal mountain society's rezoning proposal changing from rural residential lot 9

[1:06:59] Voice 14: and F1 Forestry Lot A to nature protection and spiritual education.

[1:07:03] Voice 14: My husband and I moved to Galliano Island almost four years ago

[1:07:06] Voice 14: and live at 535 Dobson Lane in the North End.

[1:07:09] Voice 14: We moved here for the sole purpose of being close to a place

[1:07:12] Voice 14: where we could study and practice the form of spiritual education

[1:07:18] Voice 14: that works for us, a specific lineage of Tibetan Buddhism.

[1:07:23] Voice 14: According to the Sumeru Guide to Canadian Buddhism,

[1:07:26] Voice 14: Crystal Mountain Society is one of approximately 500 Buddhist organizations

[1:07:29] Voice 14: organizations in Canada, and one of only a handful that offer opportunities for silent

[1:07:33] Voice 14: meditation retreats, similar to what one would find at traditional Tibetan and Indian Buddhist

[1:07:39] Voice 14: monasteries. Retreat centers such as this offer basic, rustic amenities only, and costs are low.

[1:07:47] Voice 14: Studying and practicing in this manner, which can seem quite foreign to Westerners,

[1:07:51] Voice 14: has made me a much better counselor slash mental health and substance use clinician,

[1:07:55] Voice 14: and I use my skills to help people live their best lives within this and other

[1:08:00] Voice 14: communities every week. Community benefit might be hidden but it is definitely

[1:08:04] Voice 14: present. I also support this application because of its careful protection and

[1:08:08] Voice 14: stewardship of the land. To have 75% of the land protected with no building

[1:08:13] Voice 14: allowed and preserving 90% of the trees in perpetuity preserves it for future

[1:08:18] Voice 14: generations in an environmentally sensitive manner. For these reasons and

[1:08:22] Voice 14: many more I urge you to support this application and continue to move it

[1:08:25] Voice 14: forward to second thank

[1:08:27] Voice 19: you uh i think i saw maybe if somebody just came in if you want to speak

[1:08:35] Voice 19: there's a speaker's list here you can sign up or if you have a race submission you can drop it off

[1:08:39] Voice 19: here uh arjan van asselt my

[1:08:48] Voice 17: name is arian van asselt i live at 535 californ lane galliano

[1:08:53] Voice 17: thank you very much for all the work that you do and for taking the time to look through that

[1:09:00] Voice 17: those enormous binders there. I'd like to add this to that binder. My name is Adrian

[1:09:07] Voice 17: Sanojo. I'm a full-time resident on Galeano and I wholeheartedly support Crystal Mountains

[1:09:14] Voice 17: Society's rezoning application. I've been spending nearly 10 years studying the diatom

[1:09:19] Voice 17: population in the waterways surrounding Galeano Island. I'm struck by their diversity and

[1:09:26] Voice 17: and their ability to thrive in the same waters.

[1:09:29] Voice 17: The people populating our lovely island

[1:09:31] Voice 17: are just as diverse and unique,

[1:09:33] Voice 17: each with their own wishes and needs.

[1:09:36] Voice 17: Galliano provides for many of those desires.

[1:09:39] Voice 17: Golfers have the golf course,

[1:09:40] Voice 17: conservationists have the Millard Conservation Center,

[1:09:44] Voice 17: artists have the Yellow House,

[1:09:45] Voice 17: bookworms have the library, et cetera.

[1:09:47] Voice 17: I'm one of those people who looks forward

[1:09:49] Voice 17: to shutting out the distractions of life

[1:09:51] Voice 17: for months at a time to focus on studying the mind

[1:09:54] Voice 17: and its beautiful complex complex habit patterns can i do that at home not at all i'm not that

[1:10:01] Voice 17: advanced as a practitioner there are ways there are way too many distractions buying for my

[1:10:08] Voice 17: attention there crystal mountain is one of only a few places in canada where one can safely isolate

[1:10:15] Voice 17: for deep silent contemplation this is something to be cherished and celebrated will provide valuable

[1:10:21] Voice 17: opportunities for those who want to learn about themselves a place for meditators to meditate

[1:10:28] Voice 17: i truly believe that even though there's a great variety of people on galliano island with many

[1:10:32] Voice 17: diverse opinions we can all peacefully coexist this rezoning application is shown time and time

[1:10:38] Voice 17: again to meet and exceed the standards set out within the planning guidelines their protection

[1:10:43] Voice 17: of the environment is truly first class it is my opinion that crystal mountain proposal is a

[1:10:48] Voice 17: benefit to the island as a whole and i urge you to support this rezoning process uh

[1:10:56] Voice 11: next uh keogh

[1:11:05] Voice 11: oh you're gonna tell me how to say oh

[1:11:06] Voice 11: good afternoon

[1:11:13] Voice 21: i'm here to address everybody and they can hear me just better than you can

[1:11:21] Voice 21: the islands trust is an organization designed and organized to preserve and protect the local

[1:11:33] Voice 21: amenities of this place for the locals the province and the country that's the purpose

[1:11:45] Voice 21: of the island's trust

[1:11:47] Voice 21: at itself

[1:11:48] Voice 21: and the job

[1:11:50] Voice 21: of the trustees.

[1:11:54] Voice 21: I am personally

[1:11:55] Voice 21: not against Crystal Mount.

[1:11:58] Voice 21: I do agree with what has been

[1:12:01] Voice 21: said. It is a marvelous boon

[1:12:03] Voice 21: in the

[1:12:04] Voice 21: environment of modern time

[1:12:07] Voice 21: to have a place as Crystal Mount.

[1:12:10] Voice 21: I'm concerned

[1:12:11] Voice 21: about the up

[1:12:13] Voice 21: zoning in the forest.

[1:12:16] Voice 21: The responsibility

[1:12:17] Voice 21: The responsibility of the island's trust is to preserve and protect the amenities for the benefit, including those in the country. Crystal Mountain, I can see qualifies. And yet, the local benefit is meager.

[1:12:36] Voice 21: The emergency access compromise is limited by the declaration of an emergency by

[1:12:48] Voice 27: an official that is not on the island.

[1:12:57] Voice 11: To preserve and

[1:12:59] Voice 21: protect is in the best interest of both the locals and the indigenous or first one.

[1:13:06] Voice 21: All can see the benefit of the community plan.

[1:13:12] Voice 21: plan. All can be expected to support the plan. To spend so much time and resources on this

[1:13:21] Voice 21: workaround is sort of inappropriate for the trustees in that this is a forest law. And

[1:13:47] Voice 21: And this precedent, with its upzoning, has the risk of inviting all non-profits to the same opportunity.

[1:13:57] Voice 21: And if we have 10, 20 non-profits, each with access by easement, and a road network plan that is not in the plan,

[1:14:16] Voice 11: how is that preserving any objectives?

[1:14:19] Voice 11: the amenities okay

[1:14:25] Voice 19: thank you and the agricultural lands please there are so

[1:14:30] Voice 21: few the time is long

[1:14:37] Voice 21: thank you

[1:14:38] Voice 21: put it in right okay thank you

[1:14:41] Voice 19: jane over to

[1:14:49] Voice 14: so i'm gonna have to like skip through mine quickly and maybe come back to it as well

[1:14:54] Voice 19: that's totally fine i'm obligated to ask for speakers and you're all obligated or you're all

[1:15:00] Voice 19: permitted to speak a second time so okay

[1:15:02] Voice 14: um i've had a lot of time in the past few months

[1:15:05] Voice 14: to review the documents that relate to the crystal mountain rezoning and to reflect on

[1:15:09] Voice 14: this application it's very complex rezoning and has engendered high emotions on all sides

[1:15:15] Voice 14: i'll comment just on a few issues the draft bylaws that have been created are in response

[1:15:20] Voice 14: response to many concerns raised by the community over the past few years in the draft OTP spiritual

[1:15:27] Voice 14: education policies it states that the principal use shall be spiritual education including

[1:15:33] Voice 14: spiritual education retreat use zoning for any spiritual education use including a retreat

[1:15:39] Voice 14: center shall be considered on a site-specific basis it shall not support provide or permit

[1:15:45] Voice 14: permit any commercial tourism oriented use, including nature related tourism or visitor accommodation. I just want to make that comment because a lot of the information in the community is talked about visitor accommodation. This is not what this is for.

[1:16:00] Voice 14: um the bylaws address how many people in silent retreat can be on crystal mountain property at

[1:16:09] Voice 14: any given time a total of 30 during the day 20 overnight in sleeping huts and tent platforms

[1:16:16] Voice 14: up to 60 people on four days of the year um no other private property on galliano has a personal

[1:16:25] Voice 14: limit except for the 76 allowed overnight at the millard learning center where sleeping quarters

[1:16:30] Voice 14: for staff and program participants may include up to 12 structures and up to 18 tent platforms

[1:16:38] Voice 14: the bylaws as they're in uh would the crystal mountain would only be using 1.55 percent of the

[1:16:46] Voice 14: land and there are community benefits as people have talked about the emergency evacuation the

[1:16:53] Voice 14: transfer of land and protection of land as well as an observation well um just to talk briefly

[1:17:02] Voice 14: about the community facilities on designation that was set a couple of two or three ltcs ago

[1:17:10] Voice 14: community facilities include churches recycling community halls environmental education centers

[1:17:17] Voice 14: schools, cemeteries, etc. I believe this is an appropriate designation for Crystal Mountain.

[1:17:24] Voice 14: On the issue of precedence, all rezonings on Galliano are site-specific. This does not preclude,

[1:17:30] Voice 14: however, recognizing the benefits of a rezoning to a community, benefits that future applicants

[1:17:36] Voice 14: may want to consider. For example, the donation of land is no longer specified in our bylaws,

[1:17:42] Voice 14: but it is uh considered an expectation um in talking about forest fragmentation

[1:17:49] Voice 14: our trust policy requires that the protection of unfragmented forest

[1:17:54] Voice 14: input systems from potentially adverse impacts of growth developments blah blah blah

[1:18:00] Voice 14: be addressing rezonings okay

[1:18:05] Voice 25: i will come back you

[1:18:08] Voice 19: want to put your name down again

[1:18:29] Voice 4: I hope this public hearing is not merely a formality for you to endure.

[1:18:39] Voice 4: view. I hope you are listening to what the people are saying, especially to the letters

[1:18:47] Voice 4: that are more thoughtful and comprehensive and contain facts, figures, reference, and

[1:18:55] Voice 4: research. I hope you have not already made a decision and prepared your speeches. When

[1:19:05] Voice 4: When you consider a rezoning proposal like this one,

[1:19:09] Voice 4: you should think about the past, present, and future.

[1:19:15] Voice 4: The past and present proposed by law 256 and 257

[1:19:22] Voice 4: are contrary to the official community plan and land use.

[1:19:29] Voice 4: The current zoning for F1 is designed

[1:19:33] Voice 4: to maintain Galliano forest land base for ecosystem-based sustainable forestry and rural character

[1:19:44] Voice 4: and to help to mitigate climate change.

[1:19:50] Voice 4: Our OCP policies only support resounding opportunities in F1 for cluttered, low-density residential use

[1:20:01] Voice 4: use of forest-related light industry, and this proposal is needed.

[1:20:09] Voice 4: The future.

[1:20:12] Voice 4: I am concerned that the Crystal Mountain Resonance, if approved, will set the definite precedent

[1:20:21] Voice 4: for further proposals to rezone forest land for retreat and other conferences.

[1:20:29] Voice 4: And I am concerned for the potential impact this could have in the future.

[1:20:36] Voice 4: The legal opinion from Island Trust lawyers has made it quite clear that it is not legal to distinguish between non-profit enterprises and profit-driven enterprises and so on.

[1:20:52] Voice 4: The ideal option for all forest runs on lot is to be maintained as forests.

[1:20:59] Voice 4: It is very good for the future of the children of Galliano and it will fulfill the objective

[1:21:05] Voice 4: of the trust to preserve and protect. Failing that option, there are only two other options.

[1:21:14] Voice 4: The third one is represented by the model of Crystal Mountain, an educational and spiritual

[1:21:23] Voice 4: virtual retreats for non-profit or for-profit organizations.

[1:21:29] Voice 4: This cover, finish.

[1:21:32] Voice 19: Yeah, if you want to sign up, you can come.

[1:21:34] Voice 4: I finished the sentence.

[1:21:36] Voice 19: You've got about one second left, OK.

[1:21:38] Voice 4: We are.

[1:21:39] Voice 4: This covers a wide field from religious, philosophical,

[1:21:43] Voice 4: mental health, yoga, artistic retreat,

[1:21:47] Voice 4: to retreats for employees of business companies,

[1:21:50] Voice 4: high-tech medical and pharmaceutical research etc who will provide retreats for the benefit

[1:21:58] Voice 4: of their employees mental health thanks uh

[1:22:05] Voice 11: jennifer martinson

[1:22:07] Voice 11: thank

[1:22:13] Voice 5: you um jennifer martinson 1417 stick allison thank you for hearing me ltc and planner

[1:22:21] Voice 5: um there is certainly merit to the intended practice of the crystal mountain society and

[1:22:27] Voice 5: i support that but that is not really the essential point of a land use deliberation

[1:22:34] Voice 5: and as is so often the case the devil is in the details i would like to address the issue of

[1:22:41] Voice 5: forest fragmentation the two unconnected lots that are proposed for the development and the

[1:22:47] Voice 5: duplication of all services on those lots in the cms application we live in a special part of the

[1:22:54] Voice 5: province the trust area and are guided by different policies and can't read my word that's all right

[1:23:03] Voice 5: not everyone here will necessarily be familiar with the trust policy statement and directives

[1:23:08] Voice 5: but many will the trust policy statement exists as a legislative bridge to ensure that the object

[1:23:16] Voice 5: of the islands trust act to preserve and protect is met in every instance and for every decision

[1:23:22] Voice 5: It contains both commitments and directives, and a directives checklist is completed by trust staff or planners for any bylaw amendment applications to ensure consistency with the policy statement.

[1:23:37] Voice 5: If a bylaw is consistent with the policy in the policy statement as listed in the directives checklist, it gets a tick.

[1:23:45] Voice 5: If a bylaw is inconsistent or contrary or at variance with the policy from the policy statement, it gets an F.

[1:23:52] Voice 5: What concerns me about the Crystal Mountain application is that it appears to be one more application in a series of applications that highlights the meaninglessness of the Trust Policy Statement Directives Checklist when it comes to ensuring consistency with the OCP.

[1:24:11] Voice 5: The May 2nd, 2022 staff report states that the former LTC has reviewed the Trust Policy Directive Policies Checklist and has determined that the bylaws required for the CMS application are not contrary to or at variance with the TPS.

[1:24:29] Voice 5: In this staff report, we are presented with a TPS directive checklist that ticks off the section Forest Ecosystems, which says, specifies the protection of unfragmented forest ecosystems within their local planning areas from potentially adverse impacts of growth, development and land use.

[1:24:52] Voice 5: And that is ticked off as being in compliance with this development proposal.

[1:24:57] Voice 5: There are other statements in our OCP that I'll just not read, but that also specifically deal with forest fragmentation and the detrimental impact of that.

[1:25:12] Voice 5: With the unconnected upper ridge development and the lower one, bisecting a land to be transferred to the Islands Trust Conservancy into essentially three areas.

[1:25:23] Voice 5: Two more sentences.

[1:25:24] Voice 5: just um i don't understand how this particular directive can be ticked off as in compliance

[1:25:33] Voice 5: i ask our current ltc to please take the time to review the tps directives for yourselves

[1:25:41] Voice 5: in regard to this application and i believe the application would have far more merit

[1:25:46] Voice 5: if the forest fragmentation currently in this plan was was altered thank you

[1:25:57] Thank

[1:26:04] Voice 6: you, Mr. Chair.

[1:26:06] Voice 6: Trustees, I'm just pleased to speak to you at this point,

[1:26:14] Voice 6: and I just want to say that you guys, you three, have a tough job

[1:26:21] Voice 6: because you inherited, as people have said, a fairly complex application,

[1:26:28] Voice 6: and I'm hoping that you give it some due consideration.

[1:26:35] Voice 6: This is a reminder that this application

[1:26:37] Voice 6: has only received first reading.

[1:26:39] Voice 6: There are four, there are three more readings to go.

[1:26:44] Voice 6: The planners report for this special meeting,

[1:26:49] Voice 6: I'm very surprised,

[1:26:51] Voice 6: art recommends that you proceed once the public hearing

[1:26:56] Voice 6: hearing is closed that you proceed with second and third readings and referrals to the executive

[1:27:02] Voice 6: committee and the minister recommends that

[1:27:04] Voice 11: before

[1:27:06] Voice 6: a single word was uttered at this public hearing

[1:27:09] Voice 6: i think that's really presumptuous for uh in a staff report in advance of a public hearing

[1:27:17] Voice 6: to suggest that well it doesn't really matter what the public hearing says here's my recommendation

[1:27:22] Voice 6: recommendation. I'm not going to listen. Sounds like this sounds like it doesn't expect me to

[1:27:26] Voice 6: listen. I appeal to you to please listen and to, you know, and to, you know, hold up. There are

[1:27:36] Voice 6: many outstanding issues to hold this public hearing open until they are resolved. I was

[1:27:44] Voice 6: going to talk about the context for this whole issue of Crystal Mountain, which as many people

[1:27:52] Voice 6: have said you know does admirable work they are fine people uh the practice of meditation is uh

[1:28:00] Voice 6: you know a great uh a great uh thing enhances people's lives the question is not whether it

[1:28:07] Voice 6: does the question is is that's an appropriate use of land for for a spiritual retreat facility

[1:28:15] Voice 6: And I'm going to say that I was the, I was involved in the last time the official community

[1:28:24] Voice 6: plan was reviewed on Galliano, I was chair of the forest policy review committee.

[1:28:30] Voice 6: And there were that process involved Islanders from across the political spectrum.

[1:28:36] Voice 6: And I can attest that in no way did the public OCP review the last time it was done sanction

[1:28:43] Voice 6: the conversion of f1 land for the spiritual retreat zone or for visitor accommodation

[1:28:50] Voice 6: of the type proposed in the bylaws and ocp amendments before you today

[1:28:55] Voice 6: and i think the former trustee might have been mistakenly from a different

[1:29:01] Voice 6: version of the bylaws because the uh the bylaw i don't believe the current bylaws say that

[1:29:07] Voice 6: spiritual education retreat does not involve visitor accommodations that's free that's

[1:29:14] Voice 6: yes it is oh my god i'm just going to make one point and i'm going to come back

[1:29:20] Voice 6: bylaws 256 and 257 they violate the oct and would set a precedent they're completely contrary to the

[1:29:29] Voice 6: official community plan and the land use bylaw and there are other owners of f1 land watching

[1:29:35] Voice 6: and ready to follow so the current zoning only permits an f1 forestry and forest related

[1:29:41] Voice 6: activities.

[1:29:42] Voice 19: Okay, Art, you're going to

[1:29:43] Voice 6: have to sign up.

[1:29:45] Voice 19: Do

[1:29:45] Voice 6: you want me to sign up with you?

[1:29:47] Voice 19: No, I'll call you

[1:29:49] Voice 19: in order, right?

[1:29:52] Voice 11: Pastor Forrest?

[1:30:00] Voice 11: Okay,

[1:30:01] Voice 14: my name

[1:30:02] Voice 14: is Akasha Forrest, and in terms of identifying myself, I have to say I'm a settler, uninvited onto land stolen from the Indigenous people in our area.

[1:30:15] Voice 14: I don't think that's a minimal issue. I fully support taking the time to have good consultation with First Nations in the area, especially when there's been a comment from the Penelope and Ben.

[1:30:28] Voice 14: So thank you very much. I have a letter to read from a neighbor of Crystal Mountain, and I regret that I didn't ask the question about easement during the CIM, but I will just proceed with this letter anyway.

[1:30:48] Voice 14: Anyway, so it says, there was a letter that was sent in July 1st of 2022, that Thera holds the easement for the road running from the end of the public Cook Road to Thera's Gate at the north, just past the easement of Bongridman's, accessing Crystal Mountains lands from the east.

[1:31:10] Voice 14: Crystal Mountain's owners, members and guests have been trespassing on Therese Eastman Road and using without permission for some time.

[1:31:20] Voice 14: The letter from the neighbor is from Hans von Grittmann and Donna Marvin, dated April 27th, and it says,

[1:31:29] Voice 14: We are neighbors to this retreat center, and we have written often to explain our concerns and how we are impacted.

[1:31:37] Voice 14: We still have concerns that this retreat is not appropriate.

[1:31:42] Voice 14: It's a big development on a forest lot.

[1:31:45] Voice 14: Crystal Mountain guests also access their teacher's home

[1:31:50] Voice 14: for retreats using a small laneway,

[1:31:53] Voice 14: ordering our property that is meant

[1:31:56] Voice 14: for residences in the area.

[1:31:58] Voice 14: We do not agree to this rezoning.

[1:32:01] Voice 14: Sincerely, Donna Marvin and Hans Bonkertman.

[1:32:07] Voice 11: thank

[1:32:08] Voice 3: you great thank you uh

[1:32:11] Voice 19: suzanne jorge thank

[1:32:15] Voice 14: you trustees neighborly and bookrow and peterson

[1:32:20] Voice 14: um emerging the galliano ltc to listen to the concerns of galliano residents and

[1:32:27] Voice 14: indigenous motivations and rejectable cms

[1:32:31] Voice 14: uh sorry and reject the cms rezoning that will convert f1 land with zero residential

[1:32:40] Voice 14: entitlement to an intensive year-round retreat and resort um again as other people have said

[1:32:49] Voice 14: we support the the concept of meditation and the forest crystal mountain has been there for very

[1:32:55] Voice 14: many years with no problems until they um proceeded to propose to pave over something

[1:33:02] Voice 14: like 10 000 square feet buildings um but again this is an issue of land not people um it is a

[1:33:11] Voice 14: split development which will fracture the forest into two sections one in the valley that already

[1:33:17] Voice 14: appears to contaminate a spotlight creek and the second part is on the cliff and is for long-term

[1:33:23] Voice 14: for retreatments retreatants i know that i noticed that crystal mountain regardless of what is said

[1:33:29] Voice 14: today is already boldly advertising for year-long retreatments to come forward there's been no well

[1:33:36] Voice 14: drilled no septic field tested on the upper ridge water on this ridge is scarce especially in summer

[1:33:41] Voice 14: approving this rezoning as it presently stands effectively gives crystal mountain the green

[1:33:46] Voice 14: light to develop the ridge area with few public checks or balances cms has been out of compliance

[1:33:52] Voice 14: with the islands the capital regional district and the vancouver island health authority for over 20

[1:33:59] Voice 14: years they've ignored stop work notices on their cabins public trust of cms unfortunately is quite

[1:34:06] Voice 14: low it wasn't until north galliano residents realized cms had seven outhouses and was

[1:34:12] Voice 14: discharging kitchen wastewater right above spotlight creek that the practice was stopped

[1:34:18] Voice 14: out we also my primary concern however um i echo what akasha said um i am a settler here

[1:34:27] Voice 14: however i was contacted by penelaket who asked me to read a statement from councillor ken thomas

[1:34:33] Voice 14: north galiano is core penelaket territory penelaket had homes all over galiano and

[1:34:39] Voice 14: continues to consider galiano its home and part of its core territory penelaket people

[1:34:45] Voice 14: people have fished gathered plant medicines and food on Galliano for generations now elders are

[1:34:51] Voice 14: greeted by keep out and private property signs and spoken to in a hurtful way the

[1:34:56] Voice 14: Penelope leadership table does not support this land proposal by Crystal Mountain we are involved

[1:35:02] Voice 14: in culture activities this weekend and do not receive any notice of this public hearing this

[1:35:08] Voice 14: land is close to a large crumb lot that we would have used in historical times as a lookout and

[1:35:13] Voice 14: and for homes.

[1:35:15] Voice 14: This should not proceed

[1:35:16] Voice 14: until there has been meaningful consultation

[1:35:19] Voice 14: with Penelope over rights entitled to this land.

[1:35:21] Voice 14: To date, this has not occurred.

[1:35:24] Voice 14: The government knows it must engage

[1:35:25] Voice 14: in meaningful consultation,

[1:35:27] Voice 14: not a letter to the band office,

[1:35:29] Voice 14: which is post-COVID.

[1:35:31] Voice 14: I have some more to add to that,

[1:35:33] Voice 14: but you probably want me to come back later.

[1:35:35] Voice 14: Okay?

[1:35:46] Voice 19: I'd like to

[1:35:51] Voice 14: start by reading a letter from Audrey Thomas, who is a long-term resident of this

[1:35:57] Voice 14: island. Her address is on her letter, and she writes to the trustees and chair.

[1:36:04] Voice 14: I believe that Crystal Mountain has been waging a war of attrition against the laws and by-laws

[1:36:10] Voice 14: of the Islands Trust for a very long time. When they are told that something is not in accord

[1:36:16] Voice 14: with the community plan and must be modified or eliminated from their plan, they just ignore this

[1:36:22] Voice 14: and carry on. The water problem is a good example. Their estimates don't make sense,

[1:36:28] Voice 14: their statistics don't make sense. Should this be queried by a respected person, they go on attack.

[1:36:35] Voice 14: They have kept on and on at this for years. What they're creating is a resort with a spiritual

[1:36:42] Voice 14: element built in. I do not see how they can call this place a community benefit, but apparently

[1:36:49] Voice 14: they latch on to a sub clause in the community plan in order to make this claim. Exactly how

[1:36:56] Voice 14: the community benefits is a puzzle. The place should be called a commercial enterprise since

[1:37:02] Voice 14: that is what it really is and why it wants to expand. Since it accepts donations instead of

[1:37:12] Voice 14: payments, and since it uses the words spiritual and meditation and retreat a lot, never the word

[1:37:19] Voice 14: money, it sounds so harmless and in fact a spiritual component is fine so long as the

[1:37:25] Voice 14: enterprise follows the rules of our community plan, which it does not. The fragmented forest

[1:37:31] Voice 14: is a major example of this and must be emphasised. And by the way, do the trustees have the power to

[1:37:39] Voice 14: cut off this public discussion to say this is our last chance? Does it actually say that somewhere?

[1:37:46] Voice 14: Does the Galliano community, south and north, understand that there is a line of developers

[1:37:51] Voice 14: various stripes just waiting for Crystal Mountain to be approved.

[1:37:56] Voice 14: One of the reasons the plan came into being was to prevent mass

[1:38:00] Voice 14: development on this small island, and the plan has, in general,

[1:38:04] Voice 14: really stood up well.

[1:38:06] Voice 14: I think this is no time to back down.

[1:38:08] Voice 14: I do think somebody should emphasise that this is not just a North End

[1:38:13] Voice 14: problem.

[1:38:13] Voice 14: It's a major decision that could change Galliano forever.

[1:38:18] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:38:18] Voice 14: and from myself pat and my husband ian we have property at 250 jobs in lane

[1:38:29] Voice 14: there's consistency in the letter just

[1:38:31] Voice 19: to let you know you have just a matter of seconds left so

[1:38:35] Voice 19: i get you to you want to just start with you and your husbands for your next round okay

[1:38:48] Voice 19: Okay,

[1:38:48] Voice 11: so next i'm gonna

[1:38:49] Voice 19: call on we've got a few people at some point we're gonna

[1:39:09] Voice 19: I'm going to call on some folks online here with some hands up, I've got Risa Smith, and

[1:39:18] Voice 19: And then after her, I'm going to call Hayden.

[1:39:22] Voice 11: So Risa, if you can go ahead.

[1:39:31] Voice 19: You have to unmute yourself, Risa.

[1:39:34] Voice 19: Nice signal.

[1:39:34] Voice 25: Oh, there I go.

[1:39:36] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:39:36] Voice 25: Am I unmuted now?

[1:39:37] Voice 19: No, we're just going to hear if you're here.

[1:39:38] Voice 3: Can you turn it louder?

[1:39:39] Voice 19: Can you

[1:39:40] Voice 3: turn it louder?

[1:39:40] Voice 3: If everyone

[1:39:40] Voice 19: is quiet, unfortunately,

[1:39:42] Voice 19: this is as loud as I can make it.

[1:39:44] Voice 19: So if everyone's nice and quiet,

[1:39:46] Voice 19: then we should be able to hear her okay.

[1:39:48] Voice 19: Go ahead, Risa.

[1:39:48] Voice 19: Sorry.

[1:39:49] Voice 25: Okay, thanks.

[1:39:50] Voice 25: Can you hear me now?

[1:39:51] Voice 25: Can you hear me?

[1:39:52] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:39:53] Voice 25: Okay, thanks very much. First of all, thanks to all three of you trustees for taking the time to

[1:39:58] Voice 25: listen to me. I've spoken to you all personally, and I was very appreciative of your patience.

[1:40:04] Voice 25: I would like to remind you all that the local trust committee has only one mandate.

[1:40:10] Voice 25: That's to make land use decisions. That's all you can do. You make land use decisions.

[1:40:15] Voice 25: Many people have spoken here and who are in favor of the proposal. And they've spoken eloquently

[1:40:21] Voice 25: about the benefits of meditation for their personal wellness and for wellness of people

[1:40:28] Voice 25: they know. I don't doubt the value of meditation in general, and for the people who engage in it,

[1:40:35] Voice 25: whether it be at Crystal Mountain, elsewhere on Galliano, or elsewhere in general. But that's

[1:40:41] Voice 25: not what this is about. This is a land use decision. And it's not about the value of

[1:40:46] Voice 25: meditation. I want to speak only to two issues. I've written a letter that's about more, but I

[1:40:51] Voice 25: just want to speak to two. The first relates to the Section 2019 Covenant that is associated with

[1:40:57] Voice 25: this land use decision. I have spoken to you, trustees, and it has many important elements

[1:41:03] Voice 25: that restrict the use of this land, and those elements were negotiated and they're part of

[1:41:09] Voice 25: the land use plan. Yet this covenant is held by you, the local trust committee, who have no ability

[1:41:15] Voice 25: to monitor compliance with it i ask you to please find and designate an independent body to monitor

[1:41:22] Voice 25: this covenant it appears that the public is supposed to do the monitoring yet crystal mountain

[1:41:27] Voice 25: has sent letters to public members who were indeed monitoring compliance with health requirements

[1:41:33] Voice 25: but they are not allowed to enter the cms property so who is going to monitor is it the local trust

[1:41:40] Voice 25: committee who it's not even your mandate you don't really have the ability to do it is it the public

[1:41:45] Voice 25: who are told that when they monitor, they're not welcome on the property. I think the solution is

[1:41:50] Voice 25: an independent body. And I think that's really should be a requirement of this decision.

[1:41:56] Voice 25: The second thing I want to talk about is its placement under community utilities.

[1:42:02] Voice 25: Wellness retreats are the fastest growing tourism industry in the world. And Canada is number eight

[1:42:09] Voice 25: in the world in this industry. That doesn't mean wellness retreats are bad. They're good. People

[1:42:14] Voice 25: people take them because it makes them feel good, but it does mean that they're a commercial

[1:42:18] Voice 25: activity and that is where this belongs. When the Galliano Conservancy Society was put into

[1:42:24] Voice 25: community utilities, I was on the board and many of us objected to that because we thought it too

[1:42:31] Voice 25: belonged in the economic activity section, but at that time the planners had just really pushed for

[1:42:37] Voice 25: it to be in this section and they said it would not be precedent setting. And here we go, people

[1:42:43] Voice 25: People saying, well, the Galliano Conservancy got community utilities.

[1:42:49] Voice 25: We didn't want that.

[1:42:50] Voice 25: We could have gone in the economic activity section.

[1:42:53] Voice 25: We have access to Poirier Pass, which is a requirement of that section of the OCP.

[1:42:59] Voice 25: And that is where this also belongs.

[1:43:02] Voice 25: It is precedent setting.

[1:43:03] Voice 25: And the number of times I've heard references to the Galliano Conservancy as a justification

[1:43:08] Voice 25: For putting this in community utilities shows that it is precedent-setting. So I think it's

[1:43:19] Voice 19: Thanks

[1:43:19] Voice 25: very much

[1:43:45] Voice 22: hear me?

[1:43:46] Voice 1: We can hear you. Go ahead. Perfect. Yes, go ahead. Good. Thank you so much, everybody.

[1:43:52] Voice 1: We've heard today, I'm Hayden Pritchard. I live at 30 Spotlight Drive on Galliano. We've heard

[1:44:00] Voice 1: today that the objectives of Crystal Mountain are well received by many. They've operated quietly

[1:44:06] Voice 1: for nearly 20 years, and they have the support of many who refer to the good work that they do.

[1:44:11] Voice 1: I'm an immediate neighbor and actually they're quite good folks to live next to they're certainly

[1:44:17] Voice 1: very quiet um I consider a few of the Crystal Mountain members are to my friends my challenge

[1:44:24] Voice 1: and indeed my objection is that the current rezoning if permitted would change everything

[1:44:30] Voice 1: dealing with change as we heard earlier is a complex and occasionally hurtful to many

[1:44:36] Voice 1: What we're discussing today is a plan to change Crystal Mountain operations from a small, limited operation in the summer months only to permit massive expansion of a commercial cost recovery operation.

[1:44:52] Voice 1: We must also remember that Crystal Mountain are not so perfect as many propose.

[1:44:57] Voice 1: They've operated illegally, at least in my understanding, on forest land for over 20 years, building without permits and operating without a business permit.

[1:45:06] Voice 1: This shows that historically they've had no respect for the engagement in the political

[1:45:10] Voice 1: land use and in the Galliano OCP. So what to do? Several have spoken how good Crystal Mountain

[1:45:17] Voice 1: operations are and the value they bring. We've also heard that many local residents are bravely

[1:45:23] Voice 1: concerned and do not wish this proposal to pass. Reluctantly, I would support a limited,

[1:45:30] Voice 1: would support a rezoning so that Crystal Mountain can normalise their operation,

[1:45:34] Voice 1: but this must significantly restrict the expansion and operation as proposed.

[1:45:39] Voice 1: I leave things the way they are. But if you must permit a process for Crystal Mountain to normalize these operations,

[1:45:46] Voice 1: but they must not be allowed to expand them. Move ahead only slowly and cautiously.

[1:45:52] Voice 1: I support the Crystal Mountain programs, but I don't support a regulatory process that would enable a retreat resort to be constructed at the north end of Galliano.

[1:46:02] Voice 1: know thank you so much okay

[1:46:06] Voice 11: thank you for that i'm

[1:46:14] Voice 19: gonna go with uh one more speaker and then

[1:46:17] Voice 19: we'll take a break uh so i've got george harris next um

[1:46:26] Voice 29: first of all i want to thank the planner

[1:46:28] Voice 29: for all the years of work that you've put in this file and the people from crystal mountain

[1:46:36] Voice 29: all the years of work that you put into this i was a trustee some years ago and we were working on it

[1:46:43] Voice 29: then the next set of trustees they were working on and now we have the next set of trustees and

[1:46:50] Voice 29: they're working on it um one thing i found when i was the trustee is the crystal mountain was

[1:46:56] Voice 29: extremely open to making changes so that it would be the best possible application

[1:47:03] Voice 29: application. I strongly support this application and I believe that it's time to move forward.

[1:47:11] Voice 29: I have heard some of this about precedent setting and I was when I was um rezoning for

[1:47:19] Voice 29: the hungry did one of the only people against it stood up and said to the crowd well once

[1:47:24] Voice 29: we have one pump we're going to have hundreds of them and that's just not the way zoning

[1:47:28] Voice 29: zoning works it's each one is individual you look at the merits and um it's not about precedent

[1:47:35] Voice 29: setting i i am concerned about the first nations issue um this is a government dysfunction

[1:47:44] Voice 29: we are learning how to deal with this but this should not impede this application

[1:47:52] Voice 29: we can work on on how to do this better manage better in the future but we can't

[1:47:56] Voice 29: let this application be held hostage thank you okay no applause nor booze please great uh so

[1:48:06] we're going to take a break uh

[1:48:12] Voice 11: let's

[1:48:13] Voice 19: go 50 and so we'll come back and uh

[1:51:33] Voice 11: I know what they got.

[1:55:54] Voice 3: 30 people for 20,000 meters.

[1:56:00] Voice 3: No, no, I'm

[1:56:01] Voice 3: thinking about that.

[1:56:01] Voice 3: 30 people for 20,000.

[1:56:03] Voice 3: I mean, because they've said they've got 30.

[1:56:09] Voice 3: Not that they've said they've got 30 people.

[1:56:15] Voice 11: They've got 10

[1:56:21] Voice 12: ,000 meters of it.

[1:56:22] Voice 12: Not

[1:56:35] Voice 3: to mention other people.

[1:56:47] Voice 11: I'm just saying.

[1:56:48] Voice 11: They can scan it.

[1:56:50] Voice 11: It's the volume of the swimming pool.

[1:57:09] Voice 11: I said 30 just to put you to the opposite side.

[1:57:30] Voice 12: Do you want

[1:57:31] Voice 1: to come and join us? We're

[1:57:32] Voice 11: doing a dinner tonight.

[1:57:36] Voice 12: No, don't

[1:57:40] Voice 12: come. We didn't know you were coming.

[1:57:46] Voice 12: Add another table. Another two.

[1:57:48] Voice 12: Oh, okay. That works.

[1:57:49] Voice 12: Yeah, we've got to ask the neighbours.

[1:57:52] Voice 12: We'll just have a little, you know.

[1:57:57] Voice 12: No, that's not what you said.

[1:57:59] Voice 12: I don't even understand why we're doing something like this.

[1:58:02] Voice 12: Yeah, I know.

[1:58:03] Voice 12: I know it's hard just to be, you know,

[1:58:07] Voice 12: but to be supportive,

[1:58:09] Voice 11: you know, to be supportive.

[1:58:10] Voice 11: Yeah, that's not that.

[1:58:12] Voice 12: I don't know.

[1:58:12] Voice 11: They're very interesting though.

[1:58:14] Voice 12: Are you going to talk?

[1:58:15] Voice 12: That's the wood line.

[1:58:16] Voice 12: Just look at the washroom.

[1:58:20] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:58:20] Voice 12: No.

[1:58:21] Voice 12: All of them.

[1:58:22] Voice 12: All of them.

[1:58:22] Voice 11: That's a good thing.

[1:58:25] Voice 12: You know, you'll pick them up later.

[1:58:27] Voice 12: Yeah, so.

[1:58:30] Voice 12: So, uh, let's see.

[1:58:34] Voice 12: I'm going to stay till the end.

[1:58:39] Voice 12: Maybe don't un-sheet.

[1:58:58] Voice 12: Snacks.

[1:59:01] Voice 11: Snacks.

[1:59:01] Voice 11: I don't know.

[1:59:02] Voice 12: That looks

[1:59:03] Voice 11: awesome.

[1:59:05] Voice 11: With a sock around.

[1:59:08] Voice 11: Oh, that's so sexy.

[1:59:10] Voice 11: That's so sexy.

[1:59:11] Voice 11: Oh, that's so sexy.

[1:59:11] Voice 11: Oh, that's so sexy.

[1:59:13] Voice 22: Oh,

[1:59:13] Voice 11: that's so sexy.

[1:59:13] Voice 22: Yeah, exactly.

[1:59:36] Voice 11: Oh, good.

[1:59:37] Voice 12: Wait,

[1:59:39] Voice 11: wait, hold on.

[2:07:42] Voice 19: So if the room can stay quiet other than the speaker, that's very helpful for anyone who's

[2:07:47] Voice 19: trying to listen from out there in the rest of the world.

[2:07:54] Voice 19: for anyone that might not have caught before uh first time around i'm gonna give everyone three

[2:08:00] Voice 19: minutes to speak and you'll have an opportunity to speak a second time if you don't make it through

[2:08:05] Voice 19: your comments uh for your second time around please ask that you uh say something new don't

[2:08:13] Voice 19: just reiterate what you've already said um so with that i'm going to go back to the speakers list

[2:08:22] Voice 19: still have some people online but they no one has their hands raised so anyone online you can raise

[2:08:28] Voice 19: your electronic hand by hitting the raise hand button at the bottom of the zoom screen so our

[2:08:35] Voice 19: next speaker cohen speakers please come up near the microphone so folks can hear you online so

[2:08:41] Voice 19: our next speaker is anthony pierce thank

[2:08:46] Voice 24: you very much uh my name as you as i said is anthony kiss

[2:08:50] Voice 24: I'm a next-to-nearest neighbor to Crystal Mountain, and my biggest concern, and I think

[2:09:00] Voice 24: it's a concern of a lot of the neighbors, is about the water.

[2:09:06] Voice 24: And we just don't feel, or I don't feel, that there's been due diligence done on the water.

[2:09:13] Voice 24: There was a 2015 test, which I think failed.

[2:09:17] Voice 24: A hydrologist stopped the test.

[2:09:19] Voice 24: and i've been reviewing all the reports there was a 2011 report which is on the island trust

[2:09:26] Voice 24: website available and a 2021 report and um the the the usage for 30 people staying overnight

[2:09:38] Voice 24: is going to be this is estimated in your 2021 report is going to be 10 000 liters per day

[2:09:47] Voice 24: So that's the estimate from your report submitted to the Islands Trust.

[2:09:54] Voice 24: So we have no idea what the impact is going to be, in fact, and this is causing a great

[2:10:00] Voice 24: deal of anxiety to the neighbours.

[2:10:03] Voice 24: If we can establish that it's actually not going to be a problem, that would be fine.

[2:10:09] Voice 24: I think Jane Warburton said there was a proposal to put up a monitoring well.

[2:10:14] Voice 24: on um i think they should get a hydrograph in there this can tell you immediately whether

[2:10:20] Voice 24: there's a cyclic downturn there's one of the on the southern part of the

[2:10:26] Voice 24: island one of the wells

[2:10:27] Voice 24: the monitoring wells is going down and they're in real trouble we don't even know and i think

[2:10:34] Voice 24: it behoves um the crystal mountain to make sure that they're not doing any harm when they're not

[2:10:42] Voice 24: going to do the income by increasing the number of people that are going to be in that region

[2:10:49] Voice 24: okay um i'm going to keep it short and sweet thank you thank

[2:10:53] Voice 3: you for that next uh keel thank

[2:11:02] Voice 21: you i'll be better at chemical accommodations yeah i'll continue where i left off just because

[2:11:12] Voice 21: because that's what I can do.

[2:11:14] Voice 21: The agricultural land reserve, agricultural land reserve,

[2:11:19] Voice 21: was introduced to protect farmland from development

[2:11:26] Voice 21: as the forest zone was introduced

[2:11:28] Voice 21: to preserve the forest amenity here from development.

[2:11:36] Voice 21: Forestry, insensitive human ambition is cause

[2:11:41] Voice 21: and causes great devastation everywhere.

[2:11:46] Voice 21: The challenge of climate change has added more responsibility on all to preserve and protect the wild and the wild zones everywhere.

[2:11:56] Voice 21: The local indigenous would agree.

[2:12:01] Voice 21: Resilience, forest, sorry, forest, resilience, integrity, sustainability, diversity are things to look to increase as well as risk mitigation.

[2:12:14] Voice 21: I do not see Crystal Mountain themselves doing the work.

[2:12:22] Voice 21: I see them divesting it to other organizations of forest restoration and ecological maintenance.

[2:12:35] Voice 21: What I do see here is a mixed zone development that moves existing boundaries.

[2:12:41] Voice 21: boundaries that's not in the plan the community plan provides little or no public or local benefits

[2:12:50] Voice 21: that is uh and also this is rezoning is a serious and definite zoning from forest to residential

[2:13:03] Voice 21: and commercial in or from a forest zone that's not in the plan it's also accessed by an easement

[2:13:15] Voice 21: which is explicitly not in the plan accepting this proposal is a horrible precedent for other

[2:13:24] Voice 21: forest zone developments it's also a bad precedent to expect the road network to be achieved

[2:13:33] Voice 21: a road network that's sensitive to the island and this community's expectations in the larger part

[2:13:42] Voice 21: of the forest may just go to zero everybody can get an easement from somebody and make a

[2:13:48] Voice 21: development that's not in the plan so i cannot see how the impact of this development is any

[2:13:58] Voice 21: any different than a short-term vacation rental

[2:14:02] Voice 21: in terms of its water use and its landing.

[2:14:07] Voice 21: I do not see policies, procedures, or groups

[2:14:10] Voice 21: in this Crystal Mountain retreat

[2:14:13] Voice 21: actually participating in course activity

[2:14:16] Voice 21: that agrees increasing resilience.

[2:14:21] Voice 21: So therefore, I do not support this plan.

[2:14:24] Voice 21: And I'm hoping that you trustees

[2:14:27] Voice 21: understanding your obligation to preserve and protect

[2:14:31] Voice 21: and to prevent upzonings, particularly in the forest zone,

[2:14:35] Voice 21: do not support this plan.

[2:14:37] Voice 19: Thank you for that.

[2:14:39] Voice 19: The next speaker, I think it's Michael McLean,

[2:14:43] Voice 19: but partly his name didn't print well.

[2:14:47] Voice 19: Is that right?

[2:14:48] Voice 19: Okay, there we go.

[2:14:57] Voice 19: Yeah, just right around here.

[2:15:00] Voice 17: Hello

[2:15:01] Voice 6: and thank you everyone here.

[2:15:03] Voice 19: here. I know we all love Galeano deeply.

[2:15:08] Voice 21: I've been a meditator most of my adult life, and

[2:15:13] Voice 21: it's affected everything I do profoundly. My

[2:15:17] Voice 29: art, my craft, my relationship with people,

[2:15:21] Voice 29: and my relationship with land and Galleon.

[2:15:28] Voice 29: Buddhism itself is kind of

[2:15:32] Voice 27: seen as a middle way,

[2:15:37] Voice 21: a way to balance extremes of opinion.

[2:15:43] Voice 3: And it's a

[2:15:47] Voice 6: very special opportunity that we have here.

[2:15:50] Voice 6: and i hope that um if there's any administrative or legal issues that they

[2:15:58] Voice 19: can be resolved in a

[2:16:00] Voice 19: very um

[2:16:03] Voice 21: positive way that will allow this um wonderful opportunity for the island and for

[2:16:12] Voice 21: the planet and for every conscious being to realize itself. Thank you for any support you can give us.

[2:16:24] Voice 11: Thank you. Next, Jane Wolverton.

[2:16:32] Voice 11: So

[2:16:36] Voice 14: I'm going to introduce myself before, Jane Wolverton from 442 Highland Road.

[2:16:40] Voice 14: Carrying on about course fragmentation, just to say that Lot A is fragmented naturally through

[2:16:47] Voice 14: its terrain there's an

[2:16:48] Voice 14: upper cliff area and a lower bench area and these two areas are separated

[2:16:52] Voice 14: by a cliff upon which no development would occur forest fragmentation often is defined as the

[2:16:58] Voice 14: breaking of large contiguous forest areas into smaller pieces of forest typically these pieces

[2:17:04] Voice 14: are separated by roads agriculture utility corridor subdivision or other human development

[2:17:10] Voice 14: this is not the case in this situation um just commenting on the indigenous engagement

[2:17:17] Voice 14: The Penelakut tribe received information about this application through the trust referral process.

[2:17:22] Voice 14: At the time, there were no comments.

[2:17:24] Voice 14: The issue of consultation is extremely important and one that the trust is trying to move ahead with.

[2:17:30] Voice 14: The province and federal governments have a role as well.

[2:17:33] Voice 14: There's a lot of work to be done working with local First Nations to determine how best to work together

[2:17:38] Voice 14: and funding is needed in order for First Nations to be able to fully participate.

[2:17:44] Voice 14: There was no legal obligation for Crystal Mountain to consult with the

[2:17:49] Voice 14: Penelakut and yet they did for the past three years respectfully reaching out to

[2:17:53] Voice 14: the tribe traveling to Penelakut to meet with the elders inviting them to visit

[2:17:58] Voice 14: and be involved in the land. In closing I want to comment on the professionalism

[2:18:02] Voice 14: shown by the applicants through the many years of this application. I think we as

[2:18:06] Voice 14: a community benefit from listening to each other and from calm respectful

[2:18:10] Voice 14: respectful commentary we are facing many challenges and changes as a community and as a society as a

[2:18:17] Voice 14: whole certainly many that were not contemplated when the SCP was last reviewed in 2009 to 2011.

[2:18:24] Voice 14: although some here believe that as a trustee I supported this application all along that is not

[2:18:30] Voice 14: the case what I supported was the applicants putting forward an application to the community

[2:18:36] Voice 14: that addressed all of the issues raised, if that was possible, within the context of our OCP and LNB.

[2:18:43] Voice 14: I believe they have, and now I support this application moving forward. Thank you.

[2:18:49] Voice 3: Okay, thank you. Next up is Carmita.

[2:18:57] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:19:02] Voice 4: Carmita de Menicas, 219, St. Alison Road.

[2:19:06] Voice 4: I was speaking about my concern for the future, if this resumption would be approved.

[2:19:16] Voice 4: I don't think that making fun of the idea that more retreats could come is logical.

[2:19:24] Voice 4: I think it could happen.

[2:19:26] Voice 4: The wellness tourism industry continues to grow through the work,

[2:19:33] Voice 4: And this rezoning may set a precedent for the conversion of forest zone land to all types of wellness tourism.

[2:19:44] Voice 4: Basically, all overnight retreats need accommodation for their participants.

[2:19:52] Voice 4: If this option is allowed, that means visitor accommodation in several forms, from permanent

[2:20:02] Voice 4: structures to campgrounds and accommodation in neighborhood residences.

[2:20:09] Voice 4: Pressure will increase on ecosystems, groundwater demands, and well contamination.

[2:20:17] Voice 4: The second option is housing.

[2:20:20] Voice 4: This LCC will have to decide if Galeano needs more visitors, accommodation or more housing now and in the future.

[2:20:34] Voice 4: We cannot sustain both models. You need to choose.

[2:20:41] Voice 4: I hope that you will not pass the second and third reading yet, and that you will not close

[2:20:51] Voice 4: the public hearing today, in order to permit the full input of Galeano residents to continue.

[2:21:01] Voice 4: Thank you for listening.

[2:21:03] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:21:04] Voice 19: Thank you. Anyone? It's Art Motus again.

[2:21:21] Voice 11: Hello again, Mr. Chair, trustees.

[2:21:29] Voice 6: My last earlier presentation ended on my point about

[2:21:33] Voice 6: these two bylaws would violate the official community plan and would set a precedent for

[2:21:43] Voice 6: future development an official community plan that was uh subjected to a full public comprehensive

[2:21:49] Voice 6: public review in 2009 2010 and is now due for a revision uh if there are to be major changes in

[2:22:00] Voice 6: an ocp they should be done through a public process and not through a uh a site uh site by

[2:22:07] Voice 6: by site rezoning, here a change, there a change,

[2:22:12] Voice 6: there a change.

[2:22:13] Voice 6: This is a major change actually, a major change

[2:22:17] Voice 6: because nowhere of course in the F1 zoning is there,

[2:22:32] Voice 6: are there provisions for this kind of development.

[2:22:36] Voice 6: development. The current F1 zoning permits only forestry and forest related activities.

[2:22:41] Voice 6: And the zoning is designed to maintain Galliano's forest land base for ecosystem based sustainable

[2:22:48] Voice 6: forestry and rural character and to help mitigate climate change. Our OCP policies only support

[2:22:56] Voice 6: rezoning opportunities in F1 for clustered low density residential use or forest related

[2:23:04] Voice 6: light industry and this is the first one that is doing something different and it's it's not

[2:23:10] Voice 6: it is a huge precedent and for the owner former owner of the galliano pub to say that

[2:23:16] Voice 6: no more pubs were built is serious because this f1 zone uh covers almost half the island

[2:23:24] Voice 6: and uh there are proponents of various retreat developments waiting in the wings

[2:23:31] Voice 6: for this one to go through,

[2:23:35] Voice 6: and then they'll bring their proposals forward.

[2:23:37] Voice 6: So I urge you to consider that in your deliberations.

[2:23:41] Voice 6: It's not compliant with the OCP.

[2:23:45] Voice 6: The proposal also violates,

[2:23:47] Voice 6: it's completely contrary to the notion of clustering development.

[2:23:51] Voice 11: In

[2:23:52] Voice 6: so-called Area A,

[2:23:53] Voice 6: it proposes to spread buildings throughout the development zone,

[2:23:57] Voice 6: sleeping cabins, a kitchen building, a bathroom building, an office,

[2:24:01] Voice 6: a storage facility, a medication hall, and a residence for the caretakers.

[2:24:08] Voice 6: And then there's the issue of the Upper Ridge, so-called Area B.

[2:24:11] Voice 6: This has proposed an entirely separate, unconnected development area

[2:24:17] Voice 6: with its own kitchen, own bathhouse, own well, which has yet to be drilled,

[2:24:21] Voice 6: own septic field, and three more sleeping cabins.

[2:24:24] Voice 6: This is entirely contrary to policies in the OCP and in the Islands Trust policy statement directives

[2:24:34] Voice 6: that discourage this kind of fragmented development and encourage clustering.

[2:24:43] Voice 6: Sign me up.

[2:24:49] Voice 19: Okay, and next we have Suzanne Fournier.

[2:24:55] Voice 19: Yes, good question.

[2:25:01] Voice 12: yeah um should people who haven't had a chance

[2:25:03] Voice 14: to speak be encouraged to speak first of all people

[2:25:07] Voice 14: could get to speak second and third time so far

[2:25:10] Voice 19: no one's gone more than twice and and i'm just

[2:25:15] Voice 19: going through the list as it's been signed up so um we'll just i'm just going to continue as

[2:25:21] Voice 19: we are and and we need to change that as we go about looking at that again but at this point

[2:25:29] Voice 19: no one's spoken so go ahead uh if

[2:25:33] Voice 14: you want to speak john let's go ahead no i just know there's

[2:25:35] Voice 14: other people who haven't spoke once yet there's there's still i'm just

[2:25:40] Voice 12: asking sorry everyone

[2:25:44] Voice 19: that's speaker

[2:25:45] Voice 12: list is right up here

[2:25:46] Voice 19: so please feel free uh sorry if i didn't mention it uh

[2:25:50] Voice 19: recently enough but anyone who hasn't signed up and wants to speak the list is right here

[2:25:59] Voice 19: and uh suzanne go ahead i

[2:26:02] Voice 14: hope that's not all part of my three minutes no okay um again i want

[2:26:07] Voice 14: to emphasize this is not about the people the zoning is about land and it's the land and their

[2:26:14] Voice 14: the size and scale of their development that is the problem um and this whole upper upper ridge

[2:26:21] Voice 14: there is absolutely nothing in place we have no idea what they're if they're even going to test

[2:26:27] Voice 14: it for septic if a well will be drilled um and as i said they have not exactly kept uh

[2:26:33] Voice 14: in compliance with local authorities so who will monitor that who will monitor the covenant um

[2:26:41] Voice 14: it's great that the itc is getting involved um i support that but the covenant is extremely

[2:26:47] Voice 14: difficult to um to monitor um the main point i want to make is that this is not a community

[2:26:55] Voice 14: facility it's a business a very few locals extend cms expensive workshops it's a well-financed

[2:27:02] Voice 14: international community whose members fly in for north galley and retreats from all over the world

[2:27:07] Voice 14: as the previous member said she met people from new zealand australia europe and latin america

[2:27:13] Voice 14: while staying at crystal mountain should another business fly by the cms land it could be turned

[2:27:20] Voice 14: into a corporate retreat, a spa, a flight, a yoga healing retreat, even a religious church camp

[2:27:26] Voice 14: for an increasingly lucrative type of wellness tourism. The main point, however, two of the main

[2:27:35] Voice 14: points beside Indigenous consultation is that they simply do not have a groundwater capacity

[2:27:40] Voice 14: to run a resort this big. They need enough water for two sets of laundries, bathhouses,

[2:27:49] Voice 14: in 2015 a water pump test was stopped after 12 hours because he said they're well winter and dry

[2:27:55] Voice 14: um yet people pay high fees and an optional daily donation optional so this is clearly

[2:28:01] Voice 14: commercial water use um we are concerned about the future of the land because it does have

[2:28:06] Voice 14: commercial value and the cms people have built huge uh private compounds at the north end

[2:28:15] Voice 14: where they accommodate many people they may accommodate them for their august retreat this

[2:28:20] Voice 14: year our concern is that it's clearly changing the character of our neighborhood um there's

[2:28:26] Voice 14: one member who's posted that she has a house

[2:28:28] Voice 14: she has another house and several cabins

[2:28:36] Voice 19: it's not about it's not about the individuals it's about the application you know we're concerned

[2:28:40] Voice 14: concerned about the impact on our neighborhood it's a rural residential neighborhood it is not

[2:28:50] Voice 14: okay anyway as for the indigenous consultation um it's too late to say that's the way we've

[2:28:57] Voice 14: always done things um we've always just sent them a letter and Brad Smith reports there were

[2:29:02] Voice 14: no significant concerns raised during the agency impersonation referral period in fact my action

[2:29:08] Voice 14: respondent asked us to communicate it to islands trust if i could just finish that sentence any

[2:29:13] Voice 14: request provided by any government agency or performance or action to review information

[2:29:19] Voice 14: associated with referrals that have potential to further infringe on our rights and title

[2:29:23] Voice 14: must be accompanied by provision of adequate capacity funding to allow for us

[2:29:28] Voice 14: to conduct a thorough review and adequately respond and now it doesn't support this

[2:29:33] Voice 14: development as part of their core territory how could this possibly be interpreted by the planner

[2:29:39] Voice 14: has no meaningful objection okay

[2:29:41] Voice 11: okay uh

[2:29:45] Voice 3: next uh pat may help

[2:29:51] Voice 11: thank you we

[2:29:58] Voice 14: are pat me and me

[2:30:00] Voice 14: hill of 250 Dobson Lane. There is consistency in the letters written to Islands Trust by many

[2:30:08] Voice 14: Galliano Islanders that the proposed development by Crystal Mountain Society will not be a benefit

[2:30:14] Voice 14: to this community and that rezoning is undesirable. Fees are paid for services to this organization

[2:30:20] Voice 14: and donations are made to teachers. Where is the benefit to the community? The strongest and most

[2:30:27] Voice 14: enduring guidance for the ongoing preservation and protection of this lovely island came from

[2:30:33] Voice 14: the dozens of Galliano Islanders who contributed to the official community plan. Can their voices,

[2:30:39] Voice 14: vision and wisdom be ignored? Tourism, in its many guises, knows no limit. Future owners may

[2:30:48] Voice 14: choose an entirely different type of practice and what is to prevent this forest lot, once rezoned,

[2:30:54] Voice 14: from being sold at a hefty profit.

[2:30:57] Voice 14: Its value as it currently exists, non-fragmented,

[2:31:01] Voice 14: is of greatest value environmentally

[2:31:03] Voice 14: as there's a limited amount of forest land left on Galliano.

[2:31:09] Voice 14: Galliano Island is described as the driest of the Gulf Islands

[2:31:13] Voice 14: and Forest Lot A, the site of the requested rezoning by CMS,

[2:31:18] Voice 14: is located within an area described by William Shuba,

[2:31:22] Voice 14: the islands trust freshwater specialist as and I quote class one high vulnerability areas that are

[2:31:31] Voice 14: in critical need of attention where there is high confidence in existing data end of quote

[2:31:38] Voice 14: as we look around we've seen any dead or dying trees evidence of lack of moisture our climate

[2:31:44] Voice 14: has changed in the past few years and satisfactory recharge of groundwater is questionable yet to

[2:31:52] Voice 14: To date, the only evidence of available potable water

[2:31:55] Voice 14: on Forest Lot A is based on a 12-hour pump test

[2:31:59] Voice 14: performed in October several years ago,

[2:32:02] Voice 14: even though the industry standard for pump test

[2:32:04] Voice 14: is at least 24 hours.

[2:32:06] Voice 14: Impact on neighboring wells has not been monitored.

[2:32:10] Voice 14: CMS is proposing that accommodation be built

[2:32:13] Voice 14: on this property for 22 people year round

[2:32:16] Voice 14: with a potential for up to 60 attendees

[2:32:18] Voice 14: several times per year.

[2:32:19] Voice 14: How many times per year and for how many days, weeks at a time?

[2:32:24] Voice 14: This would be a major resort.

[2:32:27] Voice 14: Whether attendees are accommodated on site or in nearby homes, all would be drawing water from the water table at the north end of Galliano Island.

[2:32:35] Voice 14: Is no consideration being given to the adequacy of the water supply for residents?

[2:32:40] Voice 14: And who will monitor how many people are on site?

[2:32:43] Voice 14: When up to 60 people attend retreats, travelling through a residential community along Davina Drive, currently a peaceful sanctuary for migrating and nesting waterfowl, there will be considerable impact.

[2:32:57] Voice 14: Areas of this type need our protection.

[2:33:01] Voice 14: CMS has stated that if a shortage of water is experienced, they will truck it in.

[2:33:06] Voice 14: Yet more traffic.

[2:33:07] Voice 14: And how environmentally sound is that?

[2:33:11] Voice 14: From which island will the water be drawn?

[2:33:13] Voice 14: all are dealing with drought. I'll lead to my last comment. I'd like to add a reminder that

[2:33:21] Voice 14: this discussion is about the rezoning of land, not people or their purpose or the benefits of

[2:33:28] Voice 14: what we practice. Thank you very much.

[2:33:32] Voice 11: Hello again,

[2:33:42] Voice 14: I've introduced myself earlier so I won't do that

[2:33:45] Voice 14: but I wanted to first of all express a lot of appreciation for the work of the trustees

[2:33:52] Voice 14: I can't even imagine we found the time to read all the material in the binder and especially

[2:34:04] Voice 14: before having to make a decision on how to proceed.

[2:34:09] Voice 14: So I find it really difficult to express my views on this because first of all I really

[2:34:17] Voice 14: really appreciate what people are saying about the wonderful benefits of Crystal Mountain

[2:34:24] Voice 14: retreat experience, this particular form of meditation, the wonderful people at the retreat,

[2:34:31] Voice 14: the great teaching, and the special benefits to our island from the presence of their retreat.

[2:34:38] Voice 14: And I agree with a lot of what has been said. I love my own wellness and mindfulness practices

[2:34:46] Voice 14: and mentors, but I have to say, as other people have said before me, this zoning is not about

[2:34:53] Voice 14: the value of any particular form of meditation or the value even of our own personal wellness

[2:35:01] Voice 14: journeys and experiences. These are actually irrelevant to the issues and questions at hand

[2:35:08] Voice 14: because, as again other people have said, zoning is based on the land. And the principles for

[2:35:15] Voice 14: rezoning rests on the policies of our official community plan. Here I have another difficulty.

[2:35:22] Voice 14: Who designed the official community plan for our community? I was at the table, but my neighbours,

[2:35:28] Voice 14: First Nations, were not. And at that time, in 2009 to 2011, I remember standing up,

[2:35:38] Voice 14: trying to put into the principles that we were all on unceded land, but I was voted down,

[2:35:45] Voice 14: because there was nothing they couldn't base it on something that would be

[2:35:52] Voice 14: recognized by the government of BC or the federal government and for me

[2:35:58] Voice 14: personally as I've talked to one of my trustees that's painful because my roots

[2:36:04] Voice 14: are Metis and Mi'kmaq although I don't live here this is not these are not my

[2:36:10] Voice 14: lands. I end up being a settler on stolen land. Maybe it's maybe people could say this is something

[2:36:18] Voice 14: to be talked about for another time. But it's not. If not now, when do we talk about Indigenous,

[2:36:26] Voice 14: the rights of the Indigenous people who have been here before us and continue to be here.

[2:36:33] Voice 14: So back to the official community plan that we have, it's still the best document we have

[2:36:38] Voice 14: to to understand how we want to develop our island and so we have to talk about the size and scale

[2:36:48] Voice 14: of development and the impacts which other people have talked about so thank you for listening

[2:36:53] Voice 11: thank you uh my name

[2:37:03] Voice 13: is paula wanaka and i live at 127 shopland road on galliano

[2:37:08] Voice 13: I would like to address the issue of the complexity of developing a process for consultation with Indigenous Nations in regards to rezoning applications here.

[2:37:23] Voice 13: Nations who have stewarded these lands for thousands of years prior to the Islands Trust.

[2:37:29] Voice 13: Trust. Going forward, I think the Islands Trust needs to undertake the work of co-creating these

[2:37:36] Voice 13: processes to develop and then implement a consultation protocol so that applicants will

[2:37:42] Voice 13: have a roadmap. At this time, there is no such framework and Indigenous communities are at risk

[2:37:49] Voice 13: of being used or tokenized by anyone with other agendas. The consultation process would need to

[2:37:56] Voice 13: be Indigenous-led, ensuring nations decide on their own priorities, benefits and terms.

[2:38:02] Voice 13: This needs to happen at the nation-to-nation or governing body-to-governing body level,

[2:38:08] Voice 13: not between individual applicants and individual Indigenous people. Some questions I have are,

[2:38:17] Voice 13: will the Trust make sure to clarify whether this will be a consultation process or an approval

[2:38:24] Voice 13: process. Is the current application dependent on First Nations approval? Where is this statement

[2:38:31] Voice 13: from the trust? Who in the Indigenous nations comes to the table? Are they elected or appointed

[2:38:38] Voice 13: or self-selected? How are they compensated for their labor? What are the benchmarks to consider

[2:38:47] Voice 13: consultation complete? Is it an approval process? How can we ensure that Indigenous communities

[2:38:53] Voice 13: communities aren't pitted against one another? How can we ensure settlers aren't tokenizing

[2:38:59] Voice 13: Indigenous voices or exploiting them to further their own causes? How can these consultations

[2:39:05] Voice 13: begin to address, let alone a repair of ruptures so vast and traumatic and hundreds of years old

[2:39:10] Voice 13: across the nation in ways that are truly relational and not only transactional? It's not appropriate

[2:39:18] Voice 13: that applicants are expected to engage with First Nations without any parameters of what constitutes

[2:39:23] Voice 13: a thorough, fair, respectful and meaningful consultation.

[2:39:28] Voice 13: Surely an honest consultation will first involve

[2:39:30] Voice 13: having First Nations to the table

[2:39:33] Voice 13: to decide what such a process could even look like.

[2:39:37] Voice 13: The current method in the Islands Trust

[2:39:39] Voice 13: for involving Indigenous Nations on Galliano use

[2:39:42] Voice 13: is through the distribution of an information package

[2:39:45] Voice 13: called the referral that gets sent to 15 nations.

[2:39:49] Voice 13: It is not adequate.

[2:39:51] Voice 13: Clearly there's much work to be done

[2:39:53] Voice 13: at the structural level of the islands trust the crd and the coast salish region broadly and these

[2:39:59] Voice 13: protocols of true consultation with reconciliation will take a lot of labor and time i'm excited for

[2:40:07] Voice 13: the day they emerge and that indigenous people are paid for their work on these matters thank you

[2:40:34] Voice 11: My

[2:40:35] Voice 14: name is Nancy McPhee and I live at number 2654 Burl Road here on Galliano and I've lived

[2:40:43] Voice 14: here full time since 1995 and I came to the island in the beginning as the forest land use

[2:40:51] Voice 14: controversy was really heating up and uh i think all the trustees that were involved in that time

[2:41:02] Voice 14: through the many years that i've been here on galliano have dealt with controversy like no

[2:41:09] Voice 14: other that i have ever seen curiously enough i've spent 30 years of my career as a associate

[2:41:17] Voice 14: faculty member with the Center for Conflict Resolution at the Justice Institute of British

[2:41:22] Voice 14: Columbia. And we talked, we taught a collaborative conflict resolution process. This is not a

[2:41:32] Voice 14: conflict, a collaborative process. And that's really what I want to talk about. How

[2:41:37] Voice 14: we manage

[2:41:39] Voice 14: ourselves and how we treat each other in these rezoning applications is heartbreaking to say

[2:41:47] Voice 14: to say i have been deeply disturbed to hear of previous rezoning applicants who have been unable

[2:41:57] Voice 14: to come to these local trust committee meetings because of their health and they have been advised

[2:42:03] Voice 14: not to attend because the stress involved in these meetings makes them sick i have been aware

[2:42:12] Voice 14: of people who have had to hire consultants to represent them because they cannot come to these

[2:42:18] Voice 14: LTC meetings because they they get sick from coming here I acknowledge what you two trustees

[2:42:27] Voice 14: three trustees are having to deal with right now it seems like an arm wrestle one side says this

[2:42:35] Voice 14: the other side says that one side uses language that in fear in fear infers certain things

[2:42:43] Voice 14: the other side needs to defend themselves and it's this back and forth and back and forth

[2:42:50] Voice 14: i i really don't know you know people talk about the forest lands the forest lands

[2:42:56] Voice 14: when i got here were being logged and the crystal mountain land when they bought it in 1980 i think

[2:43:05] Voice 14: it was was locked there was no trees on it and what crystal mountain is doing now is saying this

[2:43:12] Voice 14: is not right to have forest lines that get logged or turned into subdivisions with clustered housing

[2:43:20] Voice 14: and roads and wells and and and houses and cottages and all those kinds of things we want

[2:43:27] Voice 14: little tiny huts we want to be able to preserve not only the 75 of the land that we are giving

[2:43:34] Voice 14: away giving title to another organization we are also doing something very unique and in

[2:43:41] Voice 14: in 60% of the forest cover is also being protected.

[2:43:46] Voice 14: One more sentence.

[2:43:47] Voice 14: Until we can treat each other more kindly

[2:43:50] Voice 14: and with more compassion and understanding,

[2:43:54] Voice 14: I fear for Galliano, every rezoning application

[2:43:57] Voice 14: that comes along, if it's gonna be met

[2:43:59] Voice 14: with this kind of vitriolic conversation,

[2:44:05] Voice 14: I don't know what's gonna happen to us.

[2:44:07] Voice 14: So my blessings to you and good luck.

[2:44:14] Voice 19: okay next is uh kekso herrick james

[2:44:20] Voice 11: herrick

[2:44:23] Voice 7: 23 georgia road um i'm gonna use my three minutes

[2:44:29] Voice 7: to talk about a couple places where i hear some confusion over the years um i've been a part of

[2:44:35] Voice 7: this for the last 10 years and it seems like goalposts have been constantly moving uh i do

[2:44:40] Voice 7: think it's worth mentioning that seven years ago up at the north end we were having community

[2:44:43] Voice 7: consultation with chosen reps from the north end and there was many meetings and they said if you

[2:44:49] Voice 7: folks transfer title we're in full support so seven years ago and here we are and it seems

[2:44:56] Voice 7: there's continued to continue to continue to have some issues so one of us one of them i'll speak

[2:45:01] Voice 7: to is around ocp compliance or uh the possibility that there's not compliance so my understanding

[2:45:06] Voice 7: having spoken with trustees in the past is that this is an emerging document it changes over time

[2:45:11] And

[2:45:11] Voice 7: when the community and the trustees decide to do so, it regularly changes.

[2:45:15] Voice 7: It regularly changes so far, actually, that I think it's changed 38 times in the last 23 years.

[2:45:21] Voice 7: So it's a document of vision and that's part of what members, which hopefully in the future can include Indigenous members of this region, can speak to a community plan that works for everybody.

[2:45:41] Voice 7: The Mallory Learning Centre is a great example of when that OCP was amended with two updated bylaws that happened just a few years ago. So again, we're faced with two new bylaws. It's a very similar thing.

[2:45:55] Voice 7: Second thing I'll speak to is really, you know, what we're speaking to is fears of the past and hopes for the future in terms of this land use.

[2:46:05] Voice 7: it has not yet been spoken today that what can happen right now today on crystal mountain land

[2:46:11] Voice 7: in this f1 zoning is clear cut logging which is not sustainable it is not you know keeping

[2:46:18] Voice 7: habitat for the newts it is decimating a landscape um it's running sawmills um and it allows for a

[2:46:27] Voice 7: building footprint of over 4.5%. So if we're here to preserve and protect, it means I think

[2:46:35] Voice 7: that we need to be getting these lands out of F1 zonings. And that's why CMS is here to propose

[2:46:41] Voice 7: that. With, as is mentioned, a 90% protection rate. So if we leave it as is, we can do 53%

[2:46:48] Voice 7: logging today. If it's rezoned, it's 90% forest protected with a building footprint, not a 4.2%,

[2:46:55] Voice 7: but nine times less, which is 0.5%.

[2:46:59] Voice 7: So if a product is claimed to want preservation

[2:47:01] Voice 7: and protection, why not block a proposal

[2:47:03] Voice 7: that protects 90% of the forest?

[2:47:07] Voice 7: The third thing I'll speak to is around

[2:47:10] Voice 7: this very important issue to me

[2:47:11] Voice 7: and to our community of Crystal Mountain,

[2:47:13] Voice 7: which is around indigenous consultation.

[2:47:15] Voice 7: So we've already, I think everybody agrees,

[2:47:18] Voice 7: the current referral process that applicants

[2:47:20] Voice 7: have to be going to Penelakut and other indigenous,

[2:47:22] Voice 7: all the other indigenous nations with an agenda.

[2:47:24] Voice 7: That's a transactional way of relating.

[2:47:27] Voice 7: I think we all recognize that that is a flawed

[2:47:29] Voice 7: and bad system and yet, thanks, I'll just finish up.

[2:47:32] Voice 7: This application is not under what we wish the process to be

[2:47:35] Voice 7: but it's under what the current process is at this time.

[2:47:37] Voice 7: Crystal Mountain is queued and excited

[2:47:39] Voice 7: and has a proven track record for trying to improve

[2:47:42] Voice 7: this framework going forward.

[2:47:49] Voice 11: Okay, next

[2:47:50] Voice 19: I'm not sure if it's Laverne or Laverne.

[2:47:53] Voice 19: It

[2:47:53] Voice 11: sounds great.

[2:48:03] Voice 9: 39 Seder way okay well much of what I was going to say has just been really well covered in the

[2:48:11] Voice 9: last few speakers but one thing I do want to say is that I really believe that Crystal Mountain

[2:48:19] Voice 9: Society over the last 17 years has consistently negotiated in good faith throughout this rezoning

[2:48:28] Voice 9: process. 17 years of like listening, discussion, revision, neighborhood meetings. Oh, my goodness.

[2:48:38] Voice 9: I mean, revision of plans, you know, I think the original plan is a far cry from what we

[2:48:44] Voice 9: see with us today. And that is really a result of listening to community members, and to

[2:48:51] Voice 9: planners, to other experts that have been brought into the process, like what is the

[2:48:56] Voice 9: best way to make this fit for the land as is and that this is the application that you see before

[2:49:01] Voice 9: you and that has been here before this community for some time um i know it's been stated but i

[2:49:09] Voice 9: think it's important just to note again that uh the crystal mountain society members are one of

[2:49:14] Voice 9: the few like rezoning applicants that really took the time to go to uh penelaket they were invited

[2:49:21] Voice 9: This is a true act of reconciliation, you know, relationship building and trust is core

[2:49:28] Voice 9: to reconciliation.

[2:49:29] Voice 9: And they took the time, that's no really small feat, Penelakut Island, it's not that easily

[2:49:36] Voice 9: accessible if you don't have a boat.

[2:49:39] Voice 9: And I'm aware that they were invited to this formal meeting with elders and that they continue

[2:49:45] Voice 9: to build relationship in in in a meaningful way um the last minute submission of a letter from

[2:49:54] Voice 9: from penelaket counselor ken thomas stating that the penelaket tribe has not been properly

[2:50:00] Voice 9: consulted just tends to highlight the confusion and lack of meaningful framework that exists

[2:50:05] Voice 9: within the consultation process you know i spent a bit of time googling island's trust

[2:50:11] Voice 9: kind of consultation process and just came up with a few pdfs on you know reconciliation as

[2:50:17] Voice 9: it's been highlighted with this application the absence of any roadmap or process puts

[2:50:23] Voice 9: indigenous communities in a difficult position on many counts and the trust really needs to

[2:50:29] Voice 9: reach out to the communities to co-create a process that lays out what the steps are to

[2:50:33] Voice 9: ensure transparency and meaningful consultation and to do this money's going to have to go into

[2:50:39] Voice 9: this process i mean that's directly silly action and actually we need to put you know the trust

[2:50:44] Voice 9: needs to put some money into it um put some pressure on them um you know a public record

[2:50:50] Voice 9: of meetings and emails and phone calls as well would be helpful to prevent the consultation

[2:50:54] Voice 9: process from becoming just another arena where conflict personal agendas and disagreement can

[2:51:01] Voice 9: can possibly get aired. So I ask slash urge our local trust committee to please move forward the

[2:51:09] Voice 9: second and third reading while putting pressure on the trust to move into co-creating a consultation

[2:51:14] Voice 9: process.

[2:51:16] Voice 19: Good afternoon

[2:51:20] Voice 23: everyone. I'm Bonnie Norton. I live at 495 Clementine Lane. I'm a

[2:51:29] Voice 23: a neighbor of Crystal Martin and I've been listening very respectfully to all these

[2:51:38] Voice 23: contributions and these are some of my central points. One is I do think that the water issue

[2:51:47] Voice 23: is something that is not only a North End problem because if we have a retreat resort in the North

[2:51:53] Voice 23: in and set precedents, this could be true, of course, for the rest of the island.

[2:51:59] Voice 23: So a resort is not the same as a pub.

[2:52:02] Voice 23: People have said, well, why should you go from one resort to others?

[2:52:07] Voice 23: Well, a pub is for the local population.

[2:52:10] Voice 23: A resort has global reach.

[2:52:12] Voice 23: And this is our biggest concern.

[2:52:16] Voice 23: So what to do?

[2:52:17] Voice 23: My neighbor, I think it's Michael Hayden in Spotlight Coast, said what he suggested was

[2:52:23] Voice 23: i think is very sensible is that we normalize the current situation we accept what is there

[2:52:31] Voice 23: and we normalize it however we do not expand on what is already there what we can then do is give

[2:52:40] Voice 23: ourselves say five years to look at the impact of this on the water on the storage on uh the the

[2:52:50] Voice 23: you know the lifestyle so to speak of all the people in the region consult also with the

[2:52:56] Voice 23: indigenous community and then in five years come back and say what have we learned from this process

[2:53:03] Voice 23: so we acknowledge what exists we support it but we limit it and then we revisit it and we decide

[2:53:12] Voice 23: time for to do next thank you thank

[2:53:17] Voice 11: you uh is it sarah coogler maybe

[2:53:31] Voice 14: i don't have i didn't intend to speak today but um i'm going to um i'm i'm i'm sarah canever i've

[2:53:43] Voice 14: I live in 173 Lovins Lane, and that happens to be at the end of Cook Road.

[2:53:48] Voice 14: So I really, so much interesting thinking has occurred today.

[2:54:00] Voice 14: And I really take to heart Nancy McPhee's expression of what will it take for us to

[2:54:07] Voice 14: get along, to just listen to each other.

[2:54:10] Voice 14: And I really enjoy listening to each other.

[2:54:11] Voice 14: I really enjoy listening.

[2:54:12] Voice 14: and so i'm just going to talk about my experience of um

[2:54:20] Voice 14: i uh uh for me and my experience they've been nothing but generous and kind in terms of um

[2:54:29] Voice 14: what they've needed to do what they do and when i think of what they're doing the previous speaker

[2:54:36] Voice 28: really spoke to it i um

[2:54:38] Voice 14: such a smaller impact and um even though i don't do meditations there

[2:54:45] Voice 14: i feel invited to go there for the long course um

[2:54:48] Voice 12: uh

[2:54:49] Voice 14: and even when we have problems we have

[2:54:53] Voice 14: disagreements with easement and by the way i've been involved in theory for 43 years since the

[2:54:58] Voice 14: very beginning of it my husband was part of the um easement negotiation process and we did have to

[2:55:05] Voice 14: degree pay the 80 grand just to

[2:55:08] Voice 28: get to Thera

[2:55:09] Voice 14: so you know Crystal Mountain was just before that

[2:55:11] Voice 14: and the logarithms and that's it's just so much I've heard today that was surprising to me that

[2:55:17] Voice 14: and I'm super frustrated that it's taken so long to just approve something that is

[2:55:28] Voice 14: is providing good stuff.

[2:55:30] Voice 14: I hear about the water issues.

[2:55:33] Voice 14: There are people who live up on a residential,

[2:55:36] Voice 14: 60-acre residential ridge.

[2:55:37] Voice 14: We're not impacted by the water at all.

[2:55:40] Voice 14: So I hear that that's an issue from other people.

[2:55:42] Voice 14: And the other thing I want to speak to is that I've been listening

[2:55:46] Voice 14: to several of the, many of the people that are really part

[2:55:49] Voice 14: of the organization, and I've been hearing how hard they've been

[2:55:53] Voice 14: We're going to comply with what many people are upset about.

[2:56:00] Voice 14: And I just think my life is going by.

[2:56:08] Voice 14: I'm now living here full time for the last 10 years.

[2:56:10] Voice 14: And I

[2:56:11] Voice 12: just wonder, how long will it

[2:56:12] Voice 12: take for us to

[2:56:13] Voice 14: just figure out ways to get along?

[2:56:15] Voice 14: There are ways to do it.

[2:56:17] Voice 14: And you spoke to a few of those.

[2:56:18] Voice 14: But I don't know whether we need to do another 5 or 10 years

[2:56:22] Voice 14: of looking at data because, I mean, these are 30 people a week,

[2:56:27] Voice 14: 30 people a summer.

[2:56:31] Voice 14: There's very little impact for them really taking pretty good

[2:56:37] Voice 14: meticulous care of the forest.

[2:56:39] Voice 14: Thank you so much for your work.

[2:56:43] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:56:46] Voice 19: Colleen Doty next.

[2:56:53] Voice 19: Doty?

[2:56:54] Voice 14: Yeah, thank you.

[2:56:55] Voice 14: Colleen Doty, Borough Road.

[2:56:57] Voice 14: uh just a really quick comment i wanted to say um there's been discussion about profiteering

[2:57:03] Voice 14: of the applicants and i just want to say it from a tax perspective they are not uh as a charity

[2:57:09] Voice 14: they have to transfer they are only allowed to transfer property to other charities or qualified

[2:57:15] Voice 14: donies so there's an argument swirling around that you know there's gonna be massive profits

[2:57:22] Voice 14: and sell to international conglomerates or whatever um just they they have charitable tax

[2:57:28] Voice 14: donation obligations that they have to meet under the law so that really restricts um what they're

[2:57:35] Voice 14: able to do with that property thank you

[2:57:37] Voice 19: thank you so um there are still some there's some people

[2:57:45] Voice 19: that have signed up to speak for a third time um however uh i don't the ltc is not inclined

[2:57:54] Voice 19: to listen to people for a third time but i will call for any speakers who haven't spoke yet

[2:58:05] Voice 19: and and part of the official process for the public hearing so um

[2:58:12] Voice 19: we're going to now proceed to close the public hearing please note that after the public hearing

[2:58:18] Voice 19: closes the local trust committee will no longer be able to receive public submissions prior to

[2:58:24] Voice 19: making a decision so i'm going to ask once for any more speakers any new new speakers

[2:58:36] Voice 19: i'm advised that we are not obligated to give speakers more than two opportunities

[2:58:50] Voice 19: So I've checked in with the LTC.

[2:59:01] Voice 19: I'm fully fine to concur with this.

[2:59:05] Voice 12: Yeah, I think we've had an ample opportunity to speak.

[2:59:09] Voice 12: And of course, I think that's good.

[2:59:24] Voice 19: I'm going to call a second time for any new speakers I think

[2:59:33] Voice 14: if there's just one more thing

[2:59:34] Voice 14: anyway here's

[2:59:37] Voice 19: my submission okay yeah and submissions uh oh so yeah if anyone has any

[2:59:42] Voice 19: further written submissions please bring them up here uh in the next sort of minute or so before

[2:59:48] Voice 19: before we actually close the public hearing.

[2:59:53] Voice 19: Yeah, I'm gonna ask a third time for any new speakers.

[3:00:03] Voice 19: closer okay um this is now the final opportunity for you to hand in a written submission to the

[3:00:11] Voice 19: local trust committee once the hearing is closed no additional submissions will be accepted

[3:00:17] Voice 19: so submit now

[3:00:22] Voice 19: please if you're going to

[3:00:27] Voice 11: uh i don't sorry

[3:00:32] Voice 11: Okay,

[3:00:36] Voice 19: is there any citations that anybody has

[3:00:40] Voice 11: to cut off

[3:00:40] Voice 19: during when there's more people want to speak to you?

[3:00:47] Voice 19: I'm advised that there's no requirement to let people speak repeatedly.

[3:00:55] Voice 12: By what?

[3:00:56] Voice 12: I'm

[3:00:58] Voice 19: advised by the guidelines I have in front of me and by the planner.

[3:01:10] the local government act speaks to a reasonable opportunity

[3:01:14] Voice 18: to be heard it was up to the local

[3:01:16] Voice 18: trust committee to determine if that reasonable opportunity has been afforded or not and it's

[3:01:24] Voice 19: it's my understanding

[3:01:24] Voice 19: as chair from from the galliano trustees that that's their

[3:01:31] Voice 1: yep they're

[3:01:32] Voice 19: feeling okay so um with that before uh that we're going to close the public hearing

[3:01:41] Voice 19: and so please be advised that we're now in the post public hearing stage of the legislative

[3:01:46] Voice 19: review of proposed bylaws 256 and 257. the galliano island local trust committee can now

[3:01:55] Voice 19: no longer receive information pertaining to the proposed violence however you can still submit

[3:02:00] Voice 19: any outstanding questions and comments directly to the planner the ltc may give further reading

[3:02:07] Voice 19: to the bylaw or defeat the bylaw or make minor amendments that do not affect

[3:02:11] Voice 19: the use or density

[3:02:12] Voice 19: without further notice or hearings and so that we're closing the public hearing

[3:02:24] Voice 11: yeah

[3:02:29] Voice 19: and so we're going to take a break uh before we reconvene the uh the meeting

[3:02:35] Voice 19: um 15 minutes okay so

[3:02:42] Voice 11: let's we'll reconvene at four o'clock then okay okay thank

[3:03:06] Voice 12: you very much

[3:19:46] Voice 11: okay

[3:19:58] Voice 19: thank you we're going to reconvene the meeting i just remind people to please try

[3:20:03] Voice 19: and keep the room quiet for folks that are tuning in from away so they can hear properly

[3:20:12] Voice 19: We're now into section 5.1, the post-public hearing staff report, and I'll turn it over

[3:20:20] Voice 19: to Planner Brad Smith.

[3:20:21] Voice 18: Okay, Peter.

[3:20:22] Voice 18: So you have a staff report before you look at this, with a number of recommendations

[3:20:27] Voice 18: from planning staff, including a recommendation of second and third reading of the OCP and

[3:20:34] Voice 18: and then subsequent directing staff decision,

[3:20:39] Voice 18: the two bylaws to the executive committee for approval

[3:20:42] Voice 18: and the OCP amendment to the minister

[3:20:47] Voice 18: first following executive approval.

[3:20:51] Voice 18: Recommendations are there, I don't want to speak too much.

[3:20:57] Voice 18: Other than the information received from Penelakut

[3:21:01] Voice 18: at the end of the day is important

[3:21:03] Voice 18: and staff are doing it seriously.

[3:21:06] Voice 18: uh we the reality is is that we do have a bylaw referral process we send the bylaws to nations

[3:21:13] Voice 18: we send a reminder as we approach a public hearing uh whether that process is robust or not is uh is

[3:21:21] Voice 18: up for debate but there has been you know our processes have been met with respect to uh

[3:21:27] Voice 18: what we would normally do with consultation but obviously this new information uh flags that the

[3:21:33] Voice 18: penelicate or in their view feel like they have not been adequately

[3:21:36] Voice 18: consulted and i think that's

[3:21:38] Voice 18: important i'll do pull to close obviously and so uh alternative or what i would also suggest

[3:21:45] Voice 18: as a recommendation from staff is that you direct staff to uh consult uh further with the panel

[3:21:54] Voice 18: trustee gabriel awarding a resolution

[3:21:57] Voice 18: that she could consider uh presenting to the trustees

[3:22:00] Voice 18: is for consideration at this time you could only consider that recommendation and direct staff to

[3:22:09] Voice 18: go and do that consultative work and that would involve us engaging directly with the panelicate

[3:22:15] Voice 18: in whatever form is appropriate for them and seeking to have a conversation about the application

[3:22:21] Voice 18: and then i guess from there when we better understand if there's genuine concerns with

[3:22:27] Voice 18: the application versus concerns with the process up to date with respect to consultation we could

[3:22:36] Voice 18: bring that information back to the local trust committee and figure out next steps from there

[3:22:42] Voice 18: so today you can consider the recommendations here plus the additional recommendation or you

[3:22:47] Voice 18: could also just have that recommendation and keep

[3:22:51] Voice 18: yourself at first reading or any other

[3:22:53] Voice 18: uh alternative in between uh and so with that we'll pass that back to the chair i'm certainly

[3:23:02] Voice 18: hoping or opened up providing any answers to any questions you also have the

[3:23:10] Voice 18: opportunity to

[3:23:11] Voice 18: defer this consideration altogether and bring this establishment back

[3:23:21] Voice 18: I

[3:23:22] Voice 19: have a question of clarity in terms of the regular procedure there would there is there

[3:23:32] Voice 19: would there normally be another referral at

[3:23:35] Voice 18: this stage we would consider that our referral process

[3:23:38] Voice 18: is complete and they would go to executive committee and then the minister's office

[3:23:45] Voice 18: the role of the minister is to consider things

[3:23:50] Voice 18: in the interest of the province with respect

[3:23:52] Voice 18: to the bylaw or the OCP amendment.

[3:23:54] Voice 18: And so quite often there's a fairly robust filter

[3:23:59] Voice 18: at that ministry intersect around what consultation

[3:24:03] Voice 18: we've done and what are the

[3:24:05] Voice 8: results of that consultation

[3:24:06] Voice 18: and if there are any specific requests or concerns

[3:24:09] Voice 18: raised out of that.

[3:24:12] Voice 18: Okay.

[3:24:13] Voice 18: Yeah, thank you.

[3:24:14] Voice 15: Trustees.

[3:24:17] Voice 15: Yeah, thanks. Thanks. He's the first. So there's a whole bunch. I got a pile of notes here and I got to ramble on through them and sort of address some of the concerns that were raised and also try to reach an end point in this discussion with some recommendations.

[3:24:39] Voice 15: It is important, and I think Nancy made a great point about knowing the history.

[3:24:46] Voice 15: I've been here for 50 years, I logged this piece of property twice, right?

[3:24:53] Voice 15: So when we talk about forest fragmentation, we can talk about the forest lots.

[3:24:58] Voice 15: I can walk you on any piece of this island, I can look into my log books, and I can tell

[3:25:06] Voice 15: you when we logged it.

[3:25:08] Voice 15: It's that simple, right?

[3:25:10] Voice 15: Right. If you look at what, you know, the Crystal Mountain plan and the amount of land that they are proposing to protect, it's light years ahead of 1980.

[3:25:22] Voice 15: Right. That's the truth. It really is.

[3:25:28] Voice 15: So, you know, when people are talking about forest fragmentation, I think it's really important that they understand the history of Galliana.

[3:25:38] Voice 15: and um and is everything perfect no it's not that's that's reality um does the application

[3:25:50] Voice 15: meet the requirements of the ocp i believe it does i mean the ocp is a living document

[3:25:58] Voice 15: and um that's the point of rezoning applications is for the public to have a say in the directions

[3:26:07] Voice 15: that our island is going.

[3:26:09] Voice 15: So I don't have a problem with the community facility zoning

[3:26:13] Voice 15: for Crystal Mountain, right?

[3:26:15] Voice 15: I mean, I think it's appropriate, actually.

[3:26:19] Voice 15: I mean, if anybody's been up there

[3:26:22] Voice 15: and thinks that Crystal Mountain is a commercial venture,

[3:26:25] Voice 15: I would say they're not very good at it, right?

[3:26:30] Voice 22: So

[3:26:30] Voice 15: they're doing it for other reasons, right?

[3:26:35] Voice 15: So I'm satisfied with that, right?

[3:26:38] Voice 15: the emergency access um i brought that up and i was surprised that that hadn't been dealt with

[3:26:47] Voice 15: in the last 18 years that you know understanding those documents and understanding what an

[3:26:52] Voice 15: emergency access actually is and that it's not a public road it's not it's an emergency access

[3:26:59] Voice 15: for the fire department for the emergency people to be able to take care of the public

[3:27:06] Voice 15: like when there's an emergency that's what it's for right and i'm satisfied with those documents

[3:27:12] Voice 15: i mean i've talked with steve henderson at crd i've talked with keith and they provided with

[3:27:19] Voice 15: us with all that documentation and and it fits the emergency access is a suitable emergency access

[3:27:28] Voice 15: there's been a lot of talk about the water well the reality is in any development

[3:27:32] Voice 15: development, you're going to require water license. And a lot of the issues that have

[3:27:37] Voice 15: been raised would be dealt with before the issuance of a water license. That's how all

[3:27:44] Voice 15: development works. And you don't kill a project, any project, just because the applicant doesn't

[3:27:51] Voice 15: have the water license yet. They can't continue with the development until the water license

[3:27:56] Voice 15: is achieved so that would address a lot of those concerns are they going to address concerns that

[3:28:05] Voice 15: are beyond the statutory requirements of a water license hard to say right but there's a statutory

[3:28:15] Voice 15: requirement and the applicant needs to meet those requirements to get their water license

[3:28:19] Voice 15: and that's that's fair right you don't move the goalposts on something just because maybe you

[3:28:29] Voice 15: don't like something else right so so we have to be fair to the applicant in regards to the

[3:28:36] Voice 15: requirements the statutory requirements that they have to they have to achieve i am concerned

[3:28:43] Voice 15: concerned uh about the section 29 covenant that's the right number in it section 29 yeah

[3:28:51] Voice 15: so i'm i don't understand why the local trust committee would be monitoring this

[3:28:57] Voice 15: we're not professionals we're not uh it's not suitable and i would like to see a third party

[3:29:07] Voice 15: monitor for that covenant i mean i don't think it's an unreasonable request i think it's a

[3:29:14] Voice 15: a quite doable thing and i don't it's not a showstopper by any means but um that's what i

[3:29:23] Voice 15: think would be more appropriate right

[3:29:26] Voice 18: staff could work with legal counsel and an applicant to craft

[3:29:30] Voice 18: a condition around uh annual or some period monitoring requirement yeah and then you could

[3:29:39] Voice 18: do that outside of because it's a covenant it's not a bylaw you could continue on that work with

[3:29:45] Voice 18: whatever decisions you make today with respect to the bottom

[3:29:47] Voice 15: yeah so i would recommend that

[3:29:52] Voice 15: we have a third party to monitor that i don't think it's precedent precedent setting this

[3:29:58] Voice 15: this application

[3:30:00] Voice 15: any more than anything is precedent-setting

[3:30:02] Voice 15: because every application is different

[3:30:04] Voice 15: and every application comes before

[3:30:06] Voice 15: whatever trustees are sitting at this table

[3:30:09] Voice 15: and they take it to the public

[3:30:11] Voice 15: and God knows you guys have made me do something

[3:30:14] Voice 15: I thought I'd do is read this much stuff

[3:30:17] Voice 15: and I want to hear it.

[3:30:20] Voice 15: So, I mean, these are long, vigorous processes

[3:30:26] Voice 15: and none of them are precedent-setting, right?

[3:30:29] Voice 15: There isn't a lineup.

[3:30:31] Voice 15: of wellness retreats waiting for this to succeed because they've fallen asleep in that lineup a

[3:30:38] Voice 15: long long time

[3:30:39] Voice 11: ago so so we're

[3:30:46] Voice 15: going to get down to the one thing that

[3:30:48] Voice 11: that um

[3:30:49] Voice 11: is the hardest for

[3:30:53] Voice 11: me very

[3:30:58] Voice 15: close to the first nations community both island wise like the kids my family

[3:31:06] Voice 11: all of the people I grew up with.

[3:31:09] I

[3:31:11] Voice 15: got a call from

[3:31:12] Voice 15: Josh James and Ken Thomas

[3:31:14] Voice 15: indicating that they were not

[3:31:16] Voice 15: in favor, they were not opposing this project.

[3:31:18] Voice 15: They just weren't in favor

[3:31:20] Voice 15: of approving it. There's a big difference

[3:31:22] Voice 15: there, right?

[3:31:25] Voice 15: And it's over

[3:31:27] Voice 15: consultation. And so

[3:31:32] Voice 15: it's really

[3:31:32] Voice 15: easy, right? It's

[3:31:35] Voice 15: really easy to say,

[3:31:38] Voice 15: hey, this one's taken an awful long time.

[3:31:44] Voice 15: super easy to say that we heard people say it today right you heard somebody say we have no

[3:31:52] Voice 15: legal obligation i hope that's not the bottom right i really did undrift is about consulting

[3:32:03] Voice 15: not just nation to nation but with indigenous peoples paul wilson's here he's the head of the

[3:32:11] Voice 15: the Coast Salish people of Galliano, right?

[3:32:14] Voice 15: I mean, we have a very rich Indigenous community on this island.

[3:32:22] Voice 15: When you look at the Penelope and the Coast Salish peoples of Galliano

[3:32:26] Voice 15: and the Jorgensen family, we are so fortunate

[3:32:29] Voice 15: that we have the largest Indigenous population of any island

[3:32:35] Voice 15: in the Southern Gulf Islands, probably in the Islands Trust, right?

[3:32:39] Voice 15: And so when I talk with Josh James and Ken Thomas and hear their concerns about lack of consultation, I believe them, right?

[3:32:54] Voice 15: I've lived it, right?

[3:32:57] Voice 15: I've seen it happen, right?

[3:33:00] Voice 15: The OCP, the original OCP, the Island's Trust, all of those documents were done without Indigenous consultation.

[3:33:09] Voice 15: It's always going to be the next one, right?

[3:33:12] Voice 15: All the OCP reviews were done without Indigenous consultation, right?

[3:33:21] Voice 15: And so that's the issue.

[3:33:25] Voice 15: Are we going to just move on to this one and do it next time, right?

[3:33:32] Voice 15: Is that the goal?

[3:33:33] Voice 11: I can't.

[3:33:37] Voice 11: I mean, I

[3:33:40] Voice 15: sympathize with the applicant

[3:33:45] Voice 15: because they've been through 18 years or 20 years of process 19 years of process and

[3:33:57] Voice 15: you know the reality is if you look around this room it's probably only two or three people who

[3:34:05] Voice 15: voted for me in this room that's the reality but i know who did vote for me right and they

[3:34:19] Voice 15: They, I have an obligation to represent them, right?

[3:34:30] Voice 15: And so I would like to make a recommendation

[3:34:38] Voice 15: or I would like to see a recommendation

[3:34:40] Voice 15: that has us do some robust consultation

[3:34:45] Voice 15: with the Penelope and real consultation.

[3:34:50] Voice 15: And listen, Crystal Mountain has done more

[3:34:54] Voice 15: than anybody else in inviting the elders

[3:34:58] Voice 15: and inviting people to the property.

[3:35:01] Voice 15: And the problem is it wasn't with the leadership group, right?

[3:35:10] Voice 15: And

[3:35:10] Voice 11: that's an important distinction.

[3:35:12] Voice 11: And it has to be with the leadership group.

[3:35:20] Voice 15: And so we need to figure out how to get that done.

[3:35:26] Voice 15: And so I'm reluctant to go to second and third reading until that's done.

[3:35:31] Voice 15: I don't think it's – it's not a showstopper, right?

[3:35:34] Voice 15: Right? It's not. It's just something that we have to start doing.

[3:35:42] Voice 15: And it's the old expression, if not now, when?

[3:35:47] Voice 15: Because if we don't do it now, first of all, I lose my moral license to even do it on the next application.

[3:35:57] Voice 15: Right? I mean, the people I represent expect us to do this.

[3:36:04] Voice 15: And so my recommendations would be that we get staff, not just Brad, but Robert Kojima,

[3:36:15] Voice 15: and we sit down with the Penelope and find out not just whether they approve of the project,

[3:36:25] Voice 15: but what they want from the project, right?

[3:36:29] Voice 15: Think about it.

[3:36:30] Voice 15: we've been giving away land

[3:36:34] Voice 15: in the traditional territory

[3:36:36] Voice 15: of the benelicate nation

[3:36:39] Voice 15: and they've never

[3:36:41] Voice 15: been an option to receive

[3:36:42] Voice 15: imagine it was your land

[3:36:47] Voice 15: that somebody had taken away from you

[3:36:49] Voice 15: and when it was being given back

[3:36:52] Voice 15: to somebody, when it was being given

[3:36:54] Voice 15: away, you weren't that

[3:36:56] Voice 15: option

[3:37:00] Voice 15: that's not acceptable

[3:37:02] Voice 15: they may not want it

[3:37:05] Voice 15: right?

[3:37:06] Voice 15: Right. This application is so far along. It may be something completely different.

[3:37:14] Voice 15: But how how can we do that? And so I think we need to see it when they want.

[3:37:22] Voice 15: I mean, it's as far as I'm concerned, if this wasn't the issue, we'd close this off today.

[3:37:31] Voice 15: The applicant's done everything that they can do to get to this point.

[3:37:37] Voice 15: it's just

[3:37:40] Voice 15: I'm sitting here

[3:37:42] Voice 22: right

[3:37:44] Voice 15: and the people I represent

[3:37:48] Voice 15: expect better

[3:37:50] Voice 15: and

[3:37:52] Voice 15: you know I don't think

[3:37:55] Voice 15: I don't think

[3:37:57] Voice 15: I don't think it's something

[3:38:00] Voice 15: that at the end of the day

[3:38:06] Voice 15: I think at the end of the day

[3:38:07] Voice 15: it'll make Crystal Mountain better

[3:38:10] Voice 15: so

[3:38:12] Voice 15: I'm going to recommend that

[3:38:13] Voice 15: That we get staff to engage with, with the Advocate Leadership Council, and move on from there.

[3:38:25] Voice 15: I mean, I think the third-party covenant thing is super easy, right?

[3:38:28] Voice 15: Everything else I'm good with.

[3:38:31] Voice 15: So, I'll turn it over to you, Lisa.

[3:38:33] Voice 15: Sorry.

[3:38:36] Voice 14: Thank you very much.

[3:38:38] Voice 14: I'm very like-minded with what Mayor Wink has said.

[3:38:42] Voice 14: i agree that this project this application is ready for rezoning and i'm ready to move the

[3:38:50] Voice 14: second third meeting but this issue with the referral process i don't believe it's with

[3:38:58] Voice 14: this application or any of the merits of this application at all but it is a real issue and

[3:39:04] Voice 14: i think it would be disrespectful if we were to move forward uh without um as you say um

[3:39:12] Voice 14: having uh brad and um robert um figure out the core of that issue the truth of what is there

[3:39:21] Voice 14: and to fix this issue um the penelaket tribe aren't just on galliano's list they're on

[3:39:29] Voice 14: reference it's all the islands there's an issue here it's not just us in this application

[3:39:36] Voice 14: it's gabriel it's it's uh all these we have the opportunity to solve this

[3:39:44] Voice 14: and i think we should take that opportunity i did draft two motions

[3:40:00] Voice 7: I move that the Galeano Local Trust Committee directs staff to conduct further consultation

[3:40:06] Voice 14: with the Penelope Tribe on rezoning application GLRZ 214.1 Crystal Mountain.

[3:40:15] Voice 14: Second motion as well that the Galeano Island Local Trust Committee request that Trust Council

[3:40:22] Voice 14: Council prioritizes a review of violence trust First Nation bylaw process and then agenda item

[3:40:29] Voice 14: on this topic is placed on the June 27th 29th Trust Council agenda for consideration I did

[3:40:39] Voice 14: think there was a way to go to second reading a second third reading aren't final adoption

[3:40:45] Voice 14: but I think listening to Trustee maybe I don't want to see this I don't want to see this opportunity

[3:40:53] Voice 12: community lost. And I don't want to see, as

[3:40:59] Voice 11: you said, if not now, when it's now. I agree.

[3:41:07] Voice 19: Okay, thank you, trustees. And I really appreciate the willingness to take the time to do this,

[3:41:16] Voice 19: this engagement. And this, you know, we're in the forefront of a new era in local government

[3:41:26] Voice 19: in british columbia and the islands trust has has been a leader in that thus far um

[3:41:34] Voice 19: almost shocking to consider that um that what we have done is is actually at the forefront of

[3:41:42] Voice 19: what's going on in the province but that's absolutely no reason to to not continue to

[3:41:47] Voice 19: forge ahead and and be leaders in this in this area um and so so given that i'm i'm perfectly

[3:41:55] Voice 19: be happy to entertain these motions um what i'll do is i'll uh i'll get you to read for maybe the

[3:42:02] Voice 19: first motion and see the second

[3:42:05] Voice 27: and then i'll just

[3:42:06] Voice 19: check in with our reporters and make sure

[3:42:08] Voice 19: that they're able to uh the good audio enough to get that so okay

[3:42:15] Voice 18: let's see i can

[3:42:17] Voice 19: email the staff

[3:42:19] Voice 19: okay okay

[3:42:20] Voice 19: exactly if there's any problem with hearing okay all right so easier so please proceed

[3:42:28] Voice 14: yeah

[3:42:29] Voice 19: thank you and uh galliano

[3:42:31] Voice 7: island local trust committee direct staff to conduct further

[3:42:34] Voice 7: consultation

[3:42:34] Voice 14: with the penelaket tribe on rezoning application glrz 2014.1 crystal

[3:42:42] Voice 19: i'll second the motion second any further discussion okay i'll call the question all

[3:42:48] Voice 19: all in favor that motion carries we'll proceed with the second motion uh

[3:42:54] Voice 14: that the galliano island

[3:42:55] Voice 14: local trust committee requests that trust council prioritize a review of the island's trust first

[3:43:01] Voice 14: nations bylaw referral process and that an agenda item on this topic is placed on the june 27th 29th

[3:43:10] Voice 14: trust council agenda for consideration

[3:43:13] Voice 19: seconded any further discussion all those in favor

[3:43:19] Voice 19: that motion carries as well

[3:43:21] Voice 15: yeah i just have

[3:43:23] Voice 15: one more thing yes i

[3:43:24] Voice 15: would like to make a motion that

[3:43:26] Voice 15: staff work with the applicant um to to work out the the monitoring of the section 29 covenant

[3:43:41] Voice 11: could i

[3:43:42] Voice 26: say something here yes the

[3:43:45] Voice 26: recorder um could you go a little bit slower on the motion

[3:43:49] Voice 26: so I could, I'll re-thief the motion one.

[3:43:53] Voice 18: I

[3:43:53] Voice 26: get to send them to,

[3:43:54] Voice 18: sorry to interrupt you.

[3:43:56] Voice 18: This is Planner Smith.

[3:43:57] Voice 18: I just sent them to Cherie,

[3:43:59] Voice 18: both the motions they just passed,

[3:44:01] Voice 18: and she

[3:44:01] Voice 26: can forward them on.

[3:44:03] Voice 18: Okay, that's great.

[3:44:04] Voice 19: And

[3:44:04] Voice 26: they can forward

[3:44:04] Voice 19: them on to you.

[3:44:05] Voice 26: Thank you very much.

[3:44:07] Voice 19: So the third motion, we'll get Trustee Maberly

[3:44:10] Voice 19: to read it again a little slower,

[3:44:11] Voice 19: and hopefully you can capture it.

[3:44:14] Voice 15: Motion is to recommend that staff work with the applicant

[3:44:19] Voice 15: on a monitor on third party monitor for the section 29 covenant in the application

[3:44:27] Voice 15: oh sorry

[3:44:30] Voice 7: oh 219

[3:44:31] Voice 15: somebody will read it out i

[3:44:35] Voice 18: can read it thank you

[3:44:36] Voice 15: you

[3:44:37] Voice 11: have thoughts

[3:44:48] Voice 18: around how often that monitoring should occur

[3:44:50] Voice 18: i

[3:44:51] Voice 15: mean personally i mean i think once a year is fine right

[3:44:55] Voice 22: so uh

[3:45:05] Voice 18: i think

[3:45:07] Voice 11: that the galliano

[3:45:08] Voice 18: island local trust committee directs staff to work with the applicant

[3:45:11] Voice 18: on developing a condition in the section 219 covenant that requires a third party to monitor

[3:45:18] Voice 18: the covenant conditions annually yes

[3:45:21] Voice 20: okay i think that has moved and do we have a second for that

[3:45:26] Voice 20: any further discussion on the motion i

[3:45:28] Voice 14: just want to point out i'm i'm a new trustee that

[3:45:31] Voice 14: is reading a lot about uh covenants and they're they're legal instruments and one of the criteria

[3:45:36] Voice 14: of doing that is that a covenant is written uh during legal opinion it must be enforced

[3:45:42] Voice 14: that is the criteria of the company just want to make sure everyone understood that

[3:45:47] Voice 14: okay thank you

[3:45:49] Voice 20: anything further on the motion yeah i'll call the question all in favor

[3:45:55] Voice 20: and that

[3:45:55] Voice 19: motion carries as well so then trustees we have uh i think

[3:46:02] Voice 19: yes

[3:46:03] Voice 15: somebody one of the applicants has their hand up i'm not sure that's

[3:46:09] Voice 12: how long would this consultation process take

[3:46:13] Voice 12: okay i'm

[3:46:20] Voice 19: gonna i asked uh platter smith to respond i

[3:46:23] Voice 18: would say that we would initiate

[3:46:25] Voice 18: engagement with them and figure out what they want to have, what they feel is a meaningful

[3:46:33] Voice 18: first step. And then honestly, I think that answer is not really answerable until we have

[3:46:39] Voice 18: that first conversation with them to better understand if their concerns are around process

[3:46:45] Voice 18: and the sense that they haven't been consultative or if there is a meaningful

[3:46:51] Voice 18: for like issues with the actual application or the land transfer or water any of those other

[3:47:02] Voice 18: kinds of issues if if

[3:47:03] Voice 1: there is those kinds

[3:47:04] Voice 18: of kinds of issues then i guess we will have to

[3:47:07] Voice 18: figure out

[3:47:08] Voice 11: from there how

[3:47:08] Voice 18: to engage with them rather than

[3:47:11] Voice 18: come to resolution

[3:47:14] Voice 18: so

[3:47:16] Voice 10: a question i have if it's just about the the process of referral and developing a referral

[3:47:25] Voice 10: process that that satisfies their needs at

[3:47:31] Voice 11: this time could the application go forward

[3:47:36] Voice 15: that's the only the

[3:47:38] Voice 15: only person who can answer that is another another leadership yeah so it's

[3:47:44] Voice 15: i i would endeavor to say that it's probably more than procedural i mean if you put yourself in

[3:47:50] Voice 15: their shoes

[3:47:51] Voice 19: yeah absolutely it's it's it's not for us to make that determination so trustees then um

[3:48:00] Voice 19: uh the question is uh what uh what's your thoughts on this application and

[3:48:08] Voice 19: how do we want to proceed today you want to defer until we've heard back from

[3:48:15] Voice 19: staff on the consultation measures uh defer the readings yeah

[3:48:21] Voice 15: absolutely i would like to defer

[3:48:23] Voice 15: the readings until hear back from staff on um on the um reply from the connecticut god will

[3:48:32] Voice 15: actually give us more direction than anything else

[3:48:35] Voice 20: i think or everything else try and formulate that

[3:48:39] Voice 20: into a motion or i

[3:48:41] Voice 18: think by not passing those motions you don't need a motion to yeah we're not

[3:48:46] Voice 19: yeah so in terms of in terms of process do we want to just like would we defer this yeah i think you

[3:48:54] Voice 19: can a

[3:48:54] Voice 19: later meeting or yeah

[3:48:56] Voice 18: i think it's clear that staff now have direction we'll go ahead and

[3:49:01] Voice 18: work with the applicant on the cabinet piece we'll go ahead and work with trustee mabry on connecting

[3:49:08] Voice 18: with the panelica and figure out who the most appropriate person to start with is um so i have

[3:49:16] Voice 18: a question and then we will bring a staff report back on a future date with both language that

[3:49:21] Voice 18: could be inserted in the covenant to seek more direction on and also an update on where we are

[3:49:27] Voice 18: and what we have learned with our discussions with the panel okay so

[3:49:31] Voice 18: we don't have to make a

[3:49:32] Voice 19: formal resolution concerning this application today i think you have

[3:49:35] Voice 18: made some okay but i

[3:49:37] Voice 19: think

[3:49:37] Voice 18: that the resolutions around uh first or second third reading and you could just

[3:49:43] Voice 18: leave for now okay we

[3:49:45] Voice 19: don't need to make

[3:49:46] Voice 15: a motion to defer okay so my question would be

[3:49:50] Voice 15: I mean, I find it interesting that I would have gotten a call from the leadership committee

[3:49:57] Voice 15: there about the application.

[3:50:03] Voice 15: So would it be appropriate for me to attend a meeting with them or leave that to staff?

[3:50:10] Voice 18: Given that you're now post-public hearing, I think it would need to be directed through

[3:50:15] Voice 18: staff.

[3:50:15] Voice 15: Yeah, sure.

[3:50:16] Voice 18: Okay.

[3:50:16] Voice 18: And it might be more

[3:50:17] Voice 18: appropriate anyways to have it.

[3:50:18] Voice 20: i

[3:50:18] Voice 18: think the first conversation would be a staff one sure okay okay yeah

[3:50:27] Voice 19: all right then uh

[3:50:28] Voice 19: is there in that case we have uh completed the agenda is there anything further before adjournment

[3:50:37] Voice 19: today i

[3:50:37] Voice 15: just i quite frankly i just want to thank everybody i mean um these things are very seldom

[3:50:46] Voice 15: and we want to make them about land use but they're not i mean they're mostly about feelings

[3:50:52] Voice 15: and uh you know i thought by and large everybody was very respectful today and i think we got to a

[3:51:00] Voice 15: point where we were going to get to and i just want to thank everybody for that decision for

[3:51:19] Voice 14: what you have been elected to do and um i think that most of the people here the crystal mountain

[3:51:26] Voice 14: the membership all support you in the decision today and you do happen to

[3:51:33] Voice 14: take part in the changes that need to happen

[3:51:40] Voice 19: trustee gabriel

[3:51:42] Voice 19: okay

[3:51:48] Voice 18: very supportive we'll try to create a better relationship with the market

[3:51:51] Voice 18: get not only for this application but for all future a more uh ability for us to pull up staff

[3:52:04] Voice 18: and

[3:52:04] Voice 15: it's not just looking at it it's the coast salish and it's the jarvis family

[3:52:08] Voice 15: like i say there's a robust indigenous community on gallery now and

[3:52:14] Voice 15: then we have to figure out a way to uh to include them all

[3:52:20] Voice 19: yes and i'll just in closing before we adjourn i just like to reiterate that uh

[3:52:26] Voice 19: that i really appreciate um you know the work of this local trust committee and the local trustees

[3:52:31] Voice 19: and furthering reconciliation by by pausing at this point to uh to further this engagement

[3:52:37] Voice 19: So I appreciate that and with

[3:52:41] Voice 3: that, I'll call for adjourn.

[3:52:45] Voice 3: Thank you

[3:52:58] Voice 11: so much.