Islands Trust Council regular meeting, May 8, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 7: upstream we have

[0:00:11] Voice 15: the agenda that one's fun thank you there's only one coffee i know but i actually

[0:00:18] Voice 15: don't i've got a copy but i don't actually have to have it so i look like you have one

[0:00:24] Voice 15: if you've got one or don't keep on that's fine okay

[0:00:27] Voice 11: are we ready to get going do we get trustee

[0:00:31] Voice 14: you know she's here hello good

[0:00:36] Voice 11: morning everybody I'd say okay thank you

[0:00:41] Voice 11: everyone for coming to this meeting this is our third meeting of the year for the

[0:00:46] Voice 11: way to say let's get II local trust committee we would like to begin by

[0:00:51] Voice 11: acknowledging of course that the land on which we gather is within the

[0:00:54] Voice 11: traditional territory of the Coast Salish peoples of Qualicum

[0:00:58] Voice 11: and Cheyenne peoples, on whose land and waters the Islands Trust and Poyaté

[0:01:05] Voice 11: Eski'i Island is located. I'm your chair this morning, as usual, Toby Elliott,

[0:01:12] Voice 11: elected on Gabriela Island in the Local Trust Committee. With me today is, of course,

[0:01:17] Voice 15: Tim Peterson, good morning.

[0:01:20] Voice 11: And joining us online, Trustee Laroni, do you want to say

[0:01:24] Voice 11: hello?

[0:01:27] Voice 9: Good morning, I can hear you loud and clear. I like the microphone.

[0:01:30] Voice 9: phone.

[0:01:31] Voice 11: Excellent and where are you zooming in from today?

[0:01:34] Voice 9: I'm zooming in

[0:01:36] Voice 9: from Vancouver.

[0:01:38] Voice 11: Excellent, thank you for joining us. The Litskebe Island Local Trust

[0:01:43] Voice 11: Committee is committed to reconciliation and the acknowledgement of Indigenous

[0:01:47] Voice 11: place in history and so we just like to take a moment and thank the Indigenous

[0:01:53] Voice 11: peoples for allowing us to live, work and recreate here. So we are joined also by

[0:02:00] Voice 11: our minute taker catherine volt hello catherine hello if we're going too fast uh please just

[0:02:09] Voice 11: say something and we can slow down and with us in the room today we have uh planner stephen bell

[0:02:15] Voice 6: good morning good

[0:02:16] Voice 11: morning and director of local planning services stefan serac good morning okay

[0:02:23] Voice 11: and a few members of the community so we'll get right to our agenda and uh calling this

[0:02:28] Voice 11: meeting to order a little bit late apologies we had again interesting times

[0:02:32] Voice 11: negotiating technology so is there anything to add or amend to the agenda

[0:02:40] Voice 11: Tim or Kyla do you have anything more to move around

[0:02:44] Voice 15: could we think maybe well

[0:02:51] Voice 15: just when we get to the I'll just bring it up when we get to the project session

[0:02:58] Voice 15: Okay,

[0:03:00] Voice 11: you did note that the Electoral Area Director's report is normally earlier, but

[0:03:06] Voice 11: that's happening just because he's able to join us only a little bit later.

[0:03:10] Voice 11: So that's why that's moved in the agenda.

[0:03:13] Voice 11: So I'll take it by general consent that we will approve the agenda as presented and move

[0:03:20] Voice 11: on to reports.

[0:03:22] Voice 11: Trustee reports, who wants to start?

[0:03:25] Voice 11: go

[0:03:26] Voice 14: for it trustee laroney trustee

[0:03:28] Voice 9: laroney all right um well i don't have a lot to report i

[0:03:33] Voice 9: mean march was really busy and april was a lot quieter so um basically uh i went and attended

[0:03:42] Voice 9: the shellfish aquaculture management advisory committee meeting as i felt it was really

[0:03:49] Voice 9: important to have as we do have a shellfish farm and a whole bunch of clam leases on the skidi

[0:03:53] Voice 9: that we had some local representation and some representations for the islands as well because

[0:04:00] Voice 9: there are shellfish um shows on other islands too so it was yeah it was great to have to be there as

[0:04:06] Voice 9: a environmental voice for the islands trust and just a voice for the smaller mom and pop operations

[0:04:13] Voice 9: and yeah that's that's about it excellent

[0:04:18] Voice 10: um

[0:04:20] Voice 15: so as everyone knows our last meeting here was in

[0:04:24] Voice 15: in march uh so there's nothing of substance to add uh in terms of local trust committee business

[0:04:31] Voice 15: on the trust council level um trust programs committee met on the 3rd of april

[0:04:39] Voice 15: is uh continuing to anticipate the new draft of the policy statement uh to hopefully be coming up

[0:04:47] Voice 15: for june council and the governance committee in conjunction with the finance committee has

[0:04:54] Voice 15: been working on the uh trying to set up the new um planning process for a corporate planning

[0:05:02] Voice 15: process which is new so trying to figure out what the format of that should be and uh how to align

[0:05:10] Voice 15: the uh the budgetary process with the strategic planning process so that's still a work in

[0:05:16] Voice 15: progress uh but there is actually the say the governance committee with the help of the finance

[0:05:21] Voice 15: committee has been quite diligent in advancing that um not entirely sure uh it's gonna probably

[0:05:30] Voice 15: be at least six months to a year before that process is you know put to trust council for

[0:05:38] Voice 15: vetting but it's uh it's new territory to align those those two things that trust council the

[0:05:43] Voice 15: finance and the strategic planning so have to be part of that it's very very

[0:05:50] Voice 15: interesting stimulating work and other than that I've been attending the

[0:05:57] Voice 15: Galliano and Hornby and Salt Spring meetings and they're they're busy

[0:06:03] Voice 11: do

[0:06:08] Voice 11: your animals at home ever get to see you or are you just traveling so much for

[0:06:12] Voice 11: you oh i get to be at home for a bit all right thank you uh trustee peterson um for my chair's

[0:06:19] Voice 11: report it has also been a busy month april was uh replete with conferences starting with the housing

[0:06:28] Voice 11: uh summit that was convened by ubcm in early april and that was a really wonderful opportunity to

[0:06:37] Voice 11: try to get a handle on how the provincial and federal governments are aiming to support local

[0:06:45] Voice 11: governments in terms of addressing housing so there's lots of conversation about uh

[0:06:49] Voice 11: fully focused on housing and the province had just dropped their homes for people plan which

[0:06:56] Voice 11: is not yet a legislation and so the odds trust is still figuring out how what that might mean

[0:07:01] Voice 11: for our communities um then following that was the association of vancouver island coastal

[0:07:09] Voice 11: communities conference in mid-april and that was a great opportunity to meet with um coastal

[0:07:15] Voice 11: community local governments regional districts and uh and really learn about issues of concern

[0:07:21] Voice 11: in common um the big highlights for me was the reconciliation panel um there was a minister from

[0:07:31] Voice 11: the Ministry of Municipal Affairs, Greg Mueller, who I believe we're going to have at the next

[0:07:37] Voice 11: Trust Council meeting in June, talking about how to, basically how local governments,

[0:07:43] Voice 11: regional districts can work with First Nations and some best practices. It was really informative.

[0:07:49] Voice 11: He has a depth of knowledge that we're really going to appreciate. So I'm very glad he's going

[0:07:54] Voice 11: to be brought to our June Trust Council meeting for presentation, or that's what we're looking

[0:08:00] Voice 11: at right now and uh the community or sorry um climate action uh it's called vic cliff i always

[0:08:11] Voice 11: get a little lost with these acronyms but vancouver island climate change uh community energy and a

[0:08:18] Voice 11: community energy association i'm on this steering community committee pardon me and uh and so i'm

[0:08:25] Voice 11: still learning about the work that they're doing but basically they're working on a joint

[0:08:31] Voice 11: collaborative effort to deal with things like coastal flood mitigation climate resiliency

[0:08:37] Voice 11: planning and really putting forward how can regional governments and agencies work

[0:08:44] Voice 11: collaboratively so bringing all the stakeholders together so that was a really good presentation

[0:08:49] Voice 11: it's sort of they've been doing this work for i think four or five years and um so still learning

[0:08:58] Voice 11: the direction of the steering committee but it's it's really about bringing all the main stakeholders

[0:09:02] Voice 11: together and supporting that so then following that was the rural island economic partnership

[0:09:09] Voice 11: forum it took place on gabriella island in the 25th 26th and 27th and this was the first chance

[0:09:17] Voice 11: of the Rural Island Economic Partnership folks

[0:09:20] Voice 11: to get together after COVID in person.

[0:09:23] Voice 11: This was a forum that was sparked, I believe,

[0:09:27] Voice 11: partially funded through the Islands Trust Secretariat function

[0:09:31] Voice 11: many years ago to get these regional districts,

[0:09:38] Voice 11: Islands Trust, island leaders, and islands such as Cortez

[0:09:42] Voice 11: and islands that are not in the Islands Trust area

[0:09:46] Voice 11: to get together and talk about really economic and development issues

[0:09:50] Voice 11: that we're all facing in common.

[0:09:52] Voice 11: So it was sort of an unconference format,

[0:09:55] Voice 11: really a chance to talk about big ideas,

[0:09:58] Voice 11: but then how are they working out practically and working on solutions.

[0:10:02] Voice 11: Everything circled back to housing.

[0:10:04] Voice 11: It didn't matter if the forum started out talking about farming

[0:10:07] Voice 11: and young farmers and how much they're being drawn to the islands

[0:10:12] Voice 11: to engage in agriculture.

[0:10:15] Voice 11: culture it's housing that seems to be the linchpin and in terms of climate change as well housing was

[0:10:21] Voice 11: was a big subject um no matter what we were addressing so that's continues to be top of

[0:10:26] Voice 11: mind for my for me um and then executive committee meeting we just had in victoria in person on may

[0:10:34] Voice 11: uh february 3rd may 3rd are we in may okay because it's been a busy month it feels like april has

[0:10:40] Voice 11: stretched into uh two or three months um an executive committee is yeah we're trying to

[0:10:46] Voice 11: wrap our heads around what will strategic planning for the elements trust look like for the next four

[0:10:52] Voice 11: years um but as the different parts as in the governance committee which you just mentioned

[0:10:59] Voice 11: financial planning committee work on this corporate plan approach that will better synergize

[0:11:04] Voice 11: the resourcing and of projects and the strategic projects that we tackle so tying them together a

[0:11:12] Voice 11: bit better um so we're we're trying to grapple with that in terms of the big picture vision

[0:11:17] Voice 11: and how does executive committee support rolling that out because it we're sort of in charge of

[0:11:22] Voice 11: that process so it's again a big learning curve of how how many different components of the islands

[0:11:28] Voice 11: trust need to work together and then as we want to change things and make them work more efficiently

[0:11:32] Voice 11: You're going to have a lot of really good inter-committee communication.

[0:11:38] Voice 11: There's been a lot of conversation.

[0:11:41] Voice 11: It's been fruitful.

[0:11:43] Voice 11: I'm not going to bore you with more.

[0:11:45] Voice 11: That's a lot for me.

[0:11:47] Voice 11: Yes, sir.

[0:11:49] Voice 15: Yeah, I forgot to mention that April 20th, the APC met,

[0:11:55] Voice 15: and I attended the meeting as the trustee representative

[0:12:02] Voice 15: as per our standing resolution on the APC and they started to look at the

[0:12:10] referral around defining community benefit for

[0:12:15] Voice 15: temporary use permits and

[0:12:19] Voice 15: their work is ongoing and I'm sure we'll get a report from them when they're

[0:12:24] Voice 15: ready.

[0:12:27] Voice 11: Great, thank you for that. Did they have to have orientation before they started

[0:12:31] Voice 11: is this the new apc i'm still there

[0:12:35] Voice 13: was a there was a general orientation that that was held

[0:12:39] Voice 13: with her office and i think it was available online on zoom

[0:12:42] Voice 13: for several apcs so i believe

[0:12:45] Voice 13: that they were included okay thank

[0:12:48] Voice 11: you stephen um so now we'll open the floor to public comments

[0:12:53] Voice 11: um thank you members of the public coming here today as usual i'm just going to go through the

[0:12:59] Voice 11: the decorum for our business meeting.

[0:13:02] Voice 11: When addressing the LTC, speakers are requested

[0:13:05] Voice 11: to direct your comments to the LTC,

[0:13:07] Voice 11: not to the audience or to staff.

[0:13:10] Voice 11: We ask that you speak to the issue at hand

[0:13:12] Voice 11: and not to other individuals,

[0:13:14] Voice 11: and be clear, concise, and respectful.

[0:13:17] Voice 11: So the LTC meeting is a place of employment.

[0:13:20] Voice 11: Trust staff and your trustees have the right

[0:13:23] Voice 11: to a safe and respectful workplace,

[0:13:25] Voice 11: as do the members of the public.

[0:13:27] Voice 11: So, we've only got a few folks here today, I don't know if there's anybody online, or if we have the ability to allow people to speak online, perhaps, we'll look into that.

[0:13:40] Voice 11: Yeah, I'll look into that. Would anybody like to address the local trust committee? Yes.

[0:13:45] Voice 11: Sure.

[0:13:46] Voice 11: I'm going to take the microphone up here, please.

[0:13:47] Voice 11: Oh, sure.

[0:13:48] Voice 11: So everyone can hear you.

[0:13:55] Voice 11: Well,

[0:13:59] Voice 8: thank you for the opportunity, and thanks, Tim.

[0:14:02] Voice 8: You've answered the first questions that I had, which was about the APC, but there's

[0:14:08] Voice 8: still one outstanding question about that topic, which is, I understood that APC meetings

[0:14:15] Voice 8: were open to the public and that there would be a meeting notice made public 10 days in

[0:14:19] Voice 8: advance of the meeting but i didn't see it um that's the first question

[0:14:27] Voice 15: yeah there is supposed to be public notice and i'm not sure why that didn't happen but i will

[0:14:34] Voice 15: make sure that uh i'll do my

[0:14:37] Voice 8: darkest to make sure that doesn't happen again

[0:14:39] Voice 15: i don't know where that fell through the cracks i'm not sure

[0:14:43] Voice 8: yeah that's my next question is

[0:14:45] Voice 8: how do we make sure that it actually happens like uh meetings this meeting is put on the

[0:14:54] Voice 8: list is enough yeah

[0:14:57] Voice 15: yeah so you

[0:14:58] Voice 15: know i think that's i think that's the issues i think that's

[0:15:03] Voice 15: where it fell through the cracks is i don't know who's responsible for making sure it happens

[0:15:11] Voice 10: right

[0:15:12] Voice 15: i didn't i know i didn't make sure it happened but uh obviously otherwise it would

[0:15:17] Voice 15: happen um so i'm not sure where that that slipped i'm not sure who ultimately is responsible for

[0:15:25] Voice 15: making sure that that happens so we'll find that out and then it's i'm sure it's a matter of a

[0:15:32] Voice 15: simple reminder i mean it doesn't take long to put something up on the email list or no or put

[0:15:39] Voice 15: it in the paper or anything like that so i apologize

[0:15:41] Voice 8: that notice didn't get out okay um

[0:15:45] Voice 8: that and another thing that i will bring up um i would ask that the ltc make a motion so that it

[0:15:52] Voice 8: actually happens because obviously if it's not a motion it can slip through the crack

[0:15:57] Voice 8: up um and so my next question is um do does anybody know what percentage of the well a dollar

[0:16:10] Voice 8: amount or a percentage was let me start at the beginning how much of the recently passed islands

[0:16:16] Voice 8: trust budget is allocated to staff salaries and benefits and so i'm wondering if you have a dollar

[0:16:22] Voice 8: amount or a percentage didn't

[0:16:24] Voice 11: we cover this question um last local trust meeting you had uh

[0:16:28] Voice 11: it

[0:16:29] Voice 8: came up in the last

[0:16:30] Voice 8: minute yeah and that's why i'm asking it because it wasn't clear in the

[0:16:34] Voice 8: minutes okay

[0:16:34] Voice 11: i think i directed you to email the director of administrative services if you wanted

[0:16:40] Voice 11: a breakdown of staff salaries um so i can try to dig through our budget right now and come up with

[0:16:48] Voice 11: a gross number for you but the best person to talk to would be uh director of administrative

[0:16:54] Voice 11: services because i don't want to misquote that sure

[0:16:56] Voice 6: because there's included

[0:16:57] Voice 11: staff excluded

[0:16:58] Voice 11: staff and so i'm not yes what exactly are you looking for okay yeah

[0:17:03] Voice 8: well just a ballpark because

[0:17:04] Voice 8: um the next question is you know it's a bit of a redundant my understanding of preserve and protect

[0:17:10] Voice 8: is that those two words are verbs you know they're action words kind of thing like

[0:17:14] Voice 8: we're not putting them on a pedestal and just kind of monitoring them we're

[0:17:19] Voice 8: actually actively trying to implement that's my guess and you're affirming so

[0:17:26] Voice 8: I appreciate that and so you know aside from building

[0:17:31] Voice 8: cob houses on bedrock with materials hauled in by wheelbarrow would it be

[0:17:36] Voice 8: possible to agree that any other development undermines the trust preserve

[0:17:42] Voice 8: and protect mandate by definition you know doesn't mean we can't do it i'm not saying that obviously

[0:17:47] Voice 8: we do it but the point is preserving and protecting is is uh undermined by pretty much any

[0:17:57] Voice 8: development in

[0:17:58] Voice 12: your opinion yeah okay and

[0:18:00] Voice 8: i don't know do you share that opinion i'm

[0:18:03] Voice 11: going to reserve

[0:18:04] Voice 11: my opinion because i leave it to planners who do the work of land use planning and they execute

[0:18:10] Voice 11: execute according to our policy statement in confirmation with our OCP and our bylaws so

[0:18:16] Voice 11: we don't do anything outside of that if the policy statement follows the mandate then it follows that

[0:18:22] Voice 11: what the planners are doing is within our mandate so I'm not really at liberty to give an opinion on

[0:18:29] Voice 11: what development is or is not if you have an opinion and want to express it this is your time

[0:18:34] Voice 11: to do so uh

[0:18:35] Voice 8: great i would express my opinion that uh development does undermine the preserve

[0:18:42] Voice 8: and protect and that's why i'm asking the question because you're our elected

[0:18:47] Voice 8: representatives you aren't but tim and michaela and i would love to hear whether or not they

[0:18:54] Voice 8: believe that any development is contrary to preserve and protect and therefore needs to be

[0:19:02] Voice 8: mitigated to some degree you know obviously i again i hope everybody can hear i'm not saying

[0:19:09] Voice 8: stop development 100 right we

[0:19:11] Voice 8: can't do that obviously um but there are by definition

[0:19:17] Voice 8: we need to um follow our preserve and protect mandate as we develop in which case my next

[0:19:26] Voice 8: The next question is, would you not agree that increasing staff positions and salaries

[0:19:34] Voice 8: and benefits, or my question really is, does that stop or slow development?

[0:19:41] Voice 8: Or does it increase it by allowing the development process to become faster and more voluminous?

[0:19:48] Voice 8: Like that's the point, right?

[0:19:50] Voice 8: So more staff, more development, do you see a correlation there?

[0:19:54] Voice 8: I do.

[0:19:54] Voice 8: i think

[0:19:55] Voice 11: you're making correlations that i cannot i would not make or um assume it's it's quite a

[0:20:02] Voice 11: yeah go for it well

[0:20:04] Voice 15: i would just say that um my understanding is that the purpose of the islands

[0:20:10] Voice 15: trust is not to halt development no but to manage it yes and uh at the same time as the as laddie's

[0:20:19] Voice 15: authority um there is a public expectation that applications should be processed you know

[0:20:29] Voice 15: to the point of where the decision makers make the decision in a somewhat timely manner and i

[0:20:37] Voice 15: think that there's i think for people that are going through that process they would feel that

[0:20:43] Voice 15: but it's way too slow.

[0:20:45] Voice 14: Absolutely.

[0:20:45] Voice 15: So, I mean, I think I get your point.

[0:20:50] Voice 15: If the applications are not processed at high speed,

[0:20:55] it does drag the

[0:20:58] Voice 15: process up.

[0:20:59] Voice 15: Does it ultimately mean that the development doesn't happen?

[0:21:02] Voice 15: Well, not necessarily.

[0:21:05] Voice 15: Sure.

[0:21:05] Voice 15: But I think that's sort of an existential point in a sense,

[0:21:10] Voice 15: and it's certainly not the purview

[0:21:12] of like

[0:21:13] Voice 15: this local trust committee you know to to make those determinations I

[0:21:20] Voice 15: don't know if I certainly don't have the information in front of me sort of in

[0:21:28] Voice 15: terms of the local government act or the odds Trust Act as to as to the like the

[0:21:38] Voice 15: responsibility to process applications in a reasonable time I don't know what

[0:21:42] Voice 15: that language is but i think there's something out there sure you know but i couldn't i couldn't point

[0:21:48] Voice 15: you to it

[0:21:48] Voice 8: okay at this point that would be good but

[0:21:50] Voice 15: i i do get what you're saying that yes if

[0:21:53] Voice 15: applications are processed quickly my experience now that i'm in the thick of it on some of the

[0:22:01] Voice 15: other islands is

[0:22:02] Voice 15: that um is that certainly in some places uh people feel like these

[0:22:08] Voice 15: that their applications are dragging on forever.

[0:22:12] Voice 15: I know that there's been frustration in some cases

[0:22:18] Voice 15: where there's community affordable housing projects

[0:22:23] Voice 15: that people are really, really frustrated that they dragged on so long

[0:22:27] Voice 15: that they ended up not happening.

[0:22:30] Voice 12: So

[0:22:31] Voice 15: I think there's always going to be a tension

[0:22:32] Voice 15: between what that speed is and what's the reasonable expectation

[0:22:40] Voice 15: of the public for a case like that where it's it's viewed by the community as a public good

[0:22:46] Voice 15: like a senior's housing project

[0:22:49] Voice 3: but

[0:22:50] Voice 15: as far as i'm aware there's no um there's no mechanism to

[0:22:56] Voice 15: prioritize or speed up you know any one application over another right so yeah i'm not i'm not giving

[0:23:05] Voice 15: know any hard facts just mostly opinion and and based on my understanding um that yeah part of

[0:23:12] Voice 15: part of the job the land uses authority is to process applications in a somewhat reasonable

[0:23:18] Voice 15: time frame but

[0:23:19] Voice 10: that's

[0:23:20] Voice 15: obviously somewhat elastic

[0:23:21] Voice 8: well thank you for all of that because that's

[0:23:24] Voice 8: very helpful that's the whole point of this dialogue for me is to engage with you to get

[0:23:29] Voice 8: ideas back and to

[0:23:30] Voice 8: hopefully encourage you to follow your own ideas because what tim just said

[0:23:35] Voice 8: is very i think very important so staff isn't necessarily prioritized to do community benefit

[0:23:41] Voice 8: projects because it's the process isn't in place so maybe a trust council you can consider that

[0:23:48] Voice 8: maybe you could bring that up um

[0:23:50] Voice 11: it's a conversation right now with the regional

[0:23:53] Voice 11: planning committee which is the place where we decide how are we going to approach planning and

[0:24:01] Voice 11: And I'll just leave maybe one comment,

[0:24:06] Voice 11: that what you don't plan for, the market will decide.

[0:24:10] Voice 11: And so I believe the Islands Trust is in place

[0:24:14] Voice 11: to ensure that whatever development does happen

[0:24:18] Voice 11: takes place with the lens of ecological

[0:24:22] Voice 11: and sustainable community protection.

[0:24:24] Voice 11: That is the mandate.

[0:24:25] Voice 11: So that is how we do the work.

[0:24:26] Voice 11: The work still needs to get done.

[0:24:28] Voice 11: People still need to be housed.

[0:24:30] Voice 11: Roads need to be built.

[0:24:31] Voice 11: We need to manage intergovernmental forces so that we can keep equitable and sustainable communities while respecting the needs of the environment.

[0:24:41] Voice 11: And that is how planning is done.

[0:24:43] Voice 11: So the ethos of planning is preserve and protect.

[0:24:46] Voice 11: It does not, how that is done is through regional planning committee, which is a broader conversation than I could get into.

[0:24:53] Voice 11: But that's something I did leave off.

[0:24:54] Voice 11: we had our first in-person regional planning meeting and that was one of the conversations

[0:24:58] Voice 11: was how do we prioritize sort of community benefit and ecological projects while balancing

[0:25:06] Voice 11: applications that come in for a typical single family dwellings and stuff right yeah well that's

[0:25:11] Voice 11: encouraging questions

[0:25:12] Voice 8: i do okay um so and just to finish that thought um so preserve and protect

[0:25:21] Voice 8: can certainly be interpreted in many different ways and I appreciate your spin on it where

[0:25:26] Voice 8: you're developing in an ecological way or trying right but the other aspect of it is you know in

[0:25:34] Voice 8: your mandate you don't have a development you don't have development in your mandate

[0:25:38] Voice 8: so I just want to highlight that again

[0:25:41] Voice 11: so it's

[0:25:43] Voice 8: not in your mandate unique

[0:25:45] Voice 11: amenities is a is is

[0:25:47] Voice 11: is part of the debate that's ongoing and that is why we have an amendment to our policy statement

[0:25:53] Voice 11: to flesh out what does unique amenities mean is it sustainable communities that does include

[0:25:58] Voice 11: development so i would say that's a larger policy discussion and when it's time to engage

[0:26:03] Voice 12: trust

[0:26:03] Voice 11: programs committee bringing out the next uh which i'm not on that committee

[0:26:08] Voice 11: that trust yeah that is

[0:26:09] Voice 11: that is part of the tension that um tim was referring to for sure

[0:26:14] Voice 11: sure oh mckayla did you want to speak yes i

[0:26:17] Voice 9: did i just wanted to say that while the

[0:26:21] Voice 9: um development perhaps is not part of preserve and protect um sustainable development i mean

[0:26:27] Voice 9: development is going to happen no matter what right as we as a race continue so but i think

[0:26:35] Voice 9: that as an island's trust the island's trust our mandate part of our mandate is to really

[0:26:40] Voice 9: make sure that the development that does happen is sustainable and in the interest of the community

[0:26:45] Voice 9: and preserving the character of the community and making sure we have the resources to support the

[0:26:50] Voice 9: development that's happening that's just my thought on it thank

[0:26:56] Voice 11: you trustee larani that's

[0:26:57] Voice 11: great then

[0:26:58] Voice 8: just the last question around the 10 acre minimum um so the latest project charter for

[0:27:06] Voice 8: the ocp review suggests that 10 acres equals 4.04 hectares but if you convert 10 acres with

[0:27:16] Voice 8: a computer or a calculator it comes to 4.04 6 8 5 6. and my understanding of mathematical practice

[0:27:25] Voice 8: has been that you round it up um and this we're this is an issue because it's already been chopped

[0:27:33] Voice 8: chopped off at four hectares instead of four point blah blah blah right and that already

[0:27:40] Voice 8: has allowed an extra lot to be subdivided so my request to you is that you actually

[0:27:48] Voice 8: use the actual number or round up one of the two um because why wouldn't you you're gonna

[0:27:57] Voice 8: of break a mathematical practice that has been in place for centuries so uh and i was hoping to

[0:28:04] Voice 8: raise this issue last meeting when you were talking about it but one of the practices of

[0:28:09] Voice 8: previous trust councils or sorry local trust councils has been to engage with the audience

[0:28:15] Voice 8: during your own debate when a person raises their hand because then it could actually help you

[0:28:22] Voice 8: so that's just a another thought for your benefit or not so thank you for the time so

[0:28:28] Voice 11: when we get

[0:28:29] Voice 11: to the ocp luv review project um we'll be talking about that ocp lub up to update the references to

[0:28:38] Voice 11: the minimum lot sizes of subdivision to be 10 acres 4.04 hectares so that's in scope for this

[0:28:44] Voice 11: project yes

[0:28:45] Voice 8: and that's the point of bringing it up because the number 4.04 is still incomplete

[0:28:50] Voice 8: plate it's still going to allow more development than it would if the actual number of what 10

[0:28:57] Voice 8: acres is is used

[0:28:58] Voice 11: noted thank you thank you since

[0:29:02] Voice 13: you're going to go to that trouble

[0:29:06] Voice 13: and just

[0:29:07] Voice 11: for the record your name sir is dave olson yes

[0:29:09] Voice 13: am i supposed to move up there

[0:29:13] Voice 13: My name is Tom Weidemuth. I have mostly questions for the planner. First,

[0:29:21] Voice 4: can the Islands Trust

[0:29:23] Voice 4: promulgate and enforce policies that are contrary to the Criminal Code of Canada?

[0:29:29] Voice 11: Sir, you are to direct your questions to the LTC and not to planners, and we can ask planners

[0:29:35] Voice 11: or staff if we need confirmation.

[0:29:37] Voice 13: I have a question for the Local Trust Committee, and I wish they would ask the planner, as

[0:29:42] Voice 13: they're not really qualified to answer it can the islands trust promulgate and enforce

[0:29:51] policies

[0:29:52] Voice 4: that are contrary to the criminal code of canada

[0:30:00] Voice 11: not sure what you're referring to so if you could be more specific general

[0:30:03] Voice 13: question and i think

[0:30:04] Voice 13: you're planning an answer i hope i i would just i think i can answer no i i don't think if it's

[0:30:17] contrary to the

[0:30:19] Voice 15: federal law i don't think we can do it i think and i think that there i mean there

[0:30:26] Voice 15: have certainly been cases the islands trust legislation being tested in court um and uh

[0:30:35] and certainly if something was contrary to

[0:30:37] Voice 15: federal law that the legislation be struck down

[0:30:43] Voice 15: i'm no

[0:30:44] Voice 15: legal expert don't get me wrong but that seems like a that seems pretty straightforward

[0:30:48] Voice 15: to me yeah

[0:30:50] Voice 13: it does to me too but they're very good question i have another question what is

[0:30:54] Voice 13: a difference between a town hall session and a public comment section and if there's no difference

[0:30:59] Voice 13: why the changing weight

[0:31:02] Voice 10: like

[0:31:08] Voice 15: our town hall so yeah i i don't know that there's a particular

[0:31:13] Voice 15: reason for the change of that i noted that too um uh i i think i asked staff and i don't remember

[0:31:22] Voice 15: if it was actually like to me it's we haven't

[0:31:26] Voice 11: made it it's trouble we have a new staff member

[0:31:28] Voice 11: who's putting the agendas together and that might

[0:31:30] Voice 11: just be a they may not they may have followed the

[0:31:34] Voice 11: board sorry there's been a change in staff in terms of who's putting the agendas together so

[0:31:39] Voice 11: there might just have been they're following a template as opposed to perhaps what was convention

[0:31:44] Voice 11: here so we can ask them to change it back to town hall that's no problem so

[0:31:48] Voice 13: this might not be this

[0:31:49] Voice 13: might not be a program that changed we

[0:31:51] Voice 11: can just yeah it's just

[0:31:53] Voice 11: a nomenclature we can change it

[0:31:54] Voice 11: back if that's preferred sure okay

[0:31:57] Voice 13: thank you um and the next question i'm gonna ask you because

[0:32:02] Voice 13: i've heard a rumor so here's my question and

[0:32:06] Voice 4: this i'm sure the staff will have to

[0:32:08] Voice 13: answer i hope

[0:32:08] Voice 4: they can if a developer or a group of developers who own a large piece of property submit a

[0:32:19] preliminary subdivision plan based on minimum lot

[0:32:25] Voice 13: size of four hectares does

[0:32:30] Voice 4: that lock them in to four hectares or if you guys do what you said you were going

[0:32:36] Voice 4: to do change the four hectares to 4

[0:32:38] Voice 13: .05 hectares do they then have to adjust the

[0:32:42] Voice 13: number of their lots to comply with the new rules I

[0:32:48] Voice 11: will ask the director of

[0:32:50] Voice 11: Planning Services or perhaps Stephen you want to answer but I believe it would be

[0:32:56] Voice 11: your application needs to conform to the bylaws at the time so if the bylaw is

[0:33:02] Voice 11: changed to reflect 4.04 actors and then the application comes in that's what

[0:33:08] Voice 11: they would need to follow so anything before that bylaw is passed and goes to

[0:33:13] Voice 11: the ministry and it's adopted by this LTC so this current your current OCP in

[0:33:20] Voice 11: the current lub is going to apply to any applications until that's changed if i'm

[0:33:25] Voice 11: incorrect please let me know if that's the case then i i would urge the local trust committee

[0:33:34] to accelerate the change from four hectares to 4.05 whatever you're going to change it to because

[0:33:42] i've heard a rumor that there's going to be a preliminary subdivision plan based on four

[0:33:47] it's a very large piece of property

[0:33:50] Voice 13: and i don't think that you or me or this community wants more

[0:33:55] Voice 13: loss than 10 acre minimum we've had that before there was an island's trust it's what we do that's

[0:34:02] our rock bottom thing here i would really urge you

[0:34:06] Voice 13: to somehow or other accelerate that change

[0:34:10] Voice 13: because it would be nothing for them to put in that

[0:34:13] Voice 7: preliminary

[0:34:15] Voice 13: subdivision plan and they would

[0:34:17] Voice 13: get a lot of extra money out of it okay i'm really disappointed that uh isn't showing up for these

[0:34:31] Voice 13: meetings is there a

[0:34:32] Voice 4: requirement for the trustees to attend in person meetings or can they attend

[0:34:38] Voice 4: all of their meetings actually the

[0:34:42] Voice 11: requirement is that two trustees can hold a local trust meeting

[0:34:46] Voice 11: and so even if trustee lebroning was not present by zoom this would still be a business meeting so

[0:34:54] Voice 11: occasionally trustees have to go away on business or work or they have conflicting things and they

[0:34:58] Voice 11: try to attend as best as possible and electronics thanks to the magic of zoom trustee laroni is

[0:35:05] Voice 11: able to participate today so that's all i can say about

[0:35:07] Voice 4: that so there's no requirement for in person

[0:35:09] Voice 4: a certain number of in person i

[0:35:13] Voice 11: don't believe so i think a trustee could participate electronically

[0:35:17] Voice 11: now was if I'm incorrect please let me know we could look up the policy on that though okay

[0:35:26] Voice 13: well

[0:35:29] Voice 13: that's just a point I don't have any other questions thank you thank

[0:35:35] Voice 11: you mr. Renner is

[0:35:37] Voice 11: there any other questions I don't see any participants in the room so with that we'll

[0:35:45] Voice 11: close the Town Hall and noted we can change that back to Town Hall thank you let staff know and

[0:35:52] Voice 11: we'll move on to adoption of the minutes so minutes for march 20th 2023 is there any changes or

[0:36:03] Voice 11: edits that need to be made

[0:36:08] Voice 11: trustee laroni i still see you with your palm trees in the background

[0:36:12] Voice 9: no um i'm happy with the minutes okay

[0:36:16] Voice 11: so we'll take it by general

[0:36:17] Voice 11: consent that we will adopt

[0:36:18] Voice 11: out the minutes of march 20th 2023 business horizon for the minutes we have a follow-up action list

[0:36:24] Voice 11: from april 28th on page 11 of your agenda i like the word action some people call this a

[0:36:38] Voice 11: fuel pretty strange follow-up action follow-up action report yes

[0:36:44] Voice 12: so

[0:36:45] Voice 11: is there anything i guess we could turn to staff is there anything that we

[0:36:52] Voice 11: should be looking at I see a bunch of completed progress right I will note

[0:37:14] Voice 11: that that clarification of our responsibility to provide accommodation

[0:37:20] Voice 11: for persons with disabilities during public meetings we're still working on

[0:37:26] Voice 11: that we have had difficulty striking the accessibility committee just because so

[0:37:33] Voice 11: So many of our trustees are on so many committees right now.

[0:37:37] Voice 11: But that will be in place by, I believe it's mandated by September of this year.

[0:37:43] Voice 11: And so they'll be looking at issues like this,

[0:37:47] Voice 11: accommodation for people with disabilities or in public meetings.

[0:37:52] Voice 11: But here on Leskeeta, you are already ahead of the curve.

[0:37:54] Voice 11: Thank you, Tim, for taking action and making sure we've got speakers

[0:37:58] Voice 11: and other tools for people to be able to better hear.

[0:38:16] Voice 11: This Non-Aspergation Protocol Agreement,

[0:38:19] Voice 11: I think that's an update we can give since the last LTC meeting.

[0:38:24] Voice 11: So that has been approved by Trust Council or endorsed by Trust Council,

[0:38:30] Voice 11: and I believe it's on its way to the ministry.

[0:38:32] Voice 11: So that was a quick piece of work that we're very happy to participate in.

[0:38:39] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:38:43] Voice 15: or two um so there's as i mentioned earlier the the accumulated benefit uh section that referred

[0:38:52] to the abc and they

[0:38:54] Voice 15: have started considering that um in terms of the timeline the uh item number one

[0:39:02] Voice 15: on the follow-up action list that referral has actually actually predates the other referral

[0:39:08] Voice 15: I'm just wondering, it's been a long time since I've been on the APC, is there any reason

[0:39:15] why this referral

[0:39:17] Voice 15: can't also be sent to the APC or are we waiting for them

[0:39:20] Voice 13: to deal with

[0:39:21] Voice 13: the first one?

[0:39:22] Voice 13: It could be sent now.

[0:39:24] Voice 13: The note on here is that that referral was deferred until after First Nations consultation

[0:39:32] Voice 13: was completed on the OCP project and so I think that decision was made in January this year to

[0:39:38] Voice 13: defer that so that's why it's that's why it's still dissonant okay

[0:39:43] Voice 14: one more resources

[0:39:53] Voice 10: oh

[0:40:04] Voice 15: yeah

[0:40:05] Voice 15: I know what it is the uh meeting procedures bylaw report um I know I I had asked to see if it could

[0:40:13] Voice 15: could be found or if it was you know didn't work ever happen on it is is there something you can

[0:40:20] Voice 15: bring forward or are we back to square one on that yeah

[0:40:23] Voice 13: i couldn't i couldn't get it in time for the

[0:40:25] Voice 13: meeting today as we did focus on that ocp report but i see that there was work done on it so there's

[0:40:32] Voice 13: a there is a staff report there and i'll have to go through it and take a look but it looks like

[0:40:36] Voice 13: with something that can probably impact me okay great thinking chair

[0:40:50] Voice 15: i i uh sent out a notice

[0:40:55] Voice 15: like a motion that was in response to the um the question about the apc meeting notice right i just

[0:41:04] Voice 15: wonder where you would like me to bring that up do you want to put that in new business let's do it

[0:41:08] Voice 15: yeah

[0:41:17] Voice 11: i'd like to learn a little bit more about that process as well

[0:41:23] Voice 11: So if there's nothing else from the follow-up action list, we can move to item 6.2, the

[0:41:29] Voice 11: draft freedom of information protection privacy bylaw request for decision.

[0:41:34] Voice 11: This was deferred to this meeting to get more information that you request, Trustee Peterson.

[0:41:40] Voice 11: We wanted to see the previous bylaw to be able to compare.

[0:41:46] Voice 11: care so this is an administrative bylaw and pretty standard i think it's been passed by

[0:42:01] Voice 11: six or seven other ltcs are you satisfied with um have you gone through the material yeah thank you

[0:42:07] Voice 15: uh chair i'm satisfied that now that i've got a chance to actually do some some character

[0:42:12] Voice 15: comparison and and i am satisfied that it's just in line with the update from the provincial

[0:42:17] Voice 15: legislation so i'm trying to proceed with it

[0:42:21] Voice 11: trustee baroni

[0:42:23] Voice 11: do you have any questions on this

[0:42:24] Voice 11: um freedom of information protection and privacy bylaw nope i'm clear up on it would somebody like

[0:42:32] Voice 11: to make a motion on it

[0:42:35] Voice 9: oh

[0:42:41] Voice 11: damn okay

[0:42:42] Voice 15: i move that the liskety island local trust committee bylaw

[0:42:47] Voice 15: 101 cited as liskety island local trust committee freedom of information protection and privacy by

[0:42:52] Voice 15: bylaw number 101 2023 be given for second and third reading excellent

[0:42:59] Voice 11: i will second the motion

[0:43:01] Voice 11: uh any further discussion nope all those in favor aye aye that is carried thank you trustee laroni

[0:43:11] Voice 11: would you please do us a favor because trustee peterson and i have to read these out every

[0:43:16] Voice 11: single time they're adopted in executive committee do you want to read the second one that the

[0:43:23] Voice 11: do you have it in front of you oh you're muted you're muted maybe not

[0:43:30] Voice 9: it's okay sorry jumping

[0:43:32] Voice 9: jumping from screen to screen yep okay sorry just catching up here page 14

[0:43:40] Voice 9: this

[0:43:41] Voice 11: is a skill

[0:43:42] Voice 11: it's a testing question how many screens can you navigate and buttons do you need to push

[0:43:48] Voice 11: to be able to speak in the meeting we're all going to get better at this

[0:43:52] Voice 9: okay all right so

[0:43:54] Voice 9: So this is item number two?

[0:43:56] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:43:57] Voice 9: Okay, I move that the Liskieti Island Local Trust Committee

[0:44:01] Voice 9: By-law number 101 cited as Liskieti Island

[0:44:05] Voice 9: Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information

[0:44:07] Voice 9: and Protection of Privacy By-law number 101, 2003

[0:44:10] Voice 9: be forwarded to the Secretary of the Island's Trust

[0:44:13] Voice 9: for approval by the Executive Committee.

[0:44:18] Voice 15: I'll second it with the understanding

[0:44:21] Voice 15: that it was meant to be 2023.

[0:44:24] Voice 11: Oh, sorry, 2023.

[0:44:26] Voice 11: That's all good.

[0:44:27] Voice 11: good any further discussion thanks to the clarification nope all those in

[0:44:32] Voice 11: favor aye that is carried thank you for that piece of administrative work it

[0:44:37] Voice 11: mainly brings the fees in line with provincial legislation so just a

[0:44:49] Voice 11: compliance piece we've got no applications and referrals lucky almost

[0:44:57] Voice 11: the only LTC that I've seen that doesn't so local trust committee projects here

[0:45:02] Voice 11: is the meat of our work the official community plan and land use bylaw review project we have

[0:45:08] Voice 11: a staff report um i apologize would you like to take us through this

[0:45:18] Voice 13: yeah i'm happy to introduce

[0:45:20] Voice 13: it um and this yeah this report's coming to you um the ltc have requested a status update on the

[0:45:28] Voice 13: the tc project and um and so that the report provides some history of the project the current

[0:45:34] Voice 13: status and then um presents a new work plan um so for steps to go forwards on this project and

[0:45:41] so the project started back in in 2018 and

[0:45:45] Voice 13: the project charter includes review it will be an

[0:45:48] Voice 13: official community plan and land use bylaw and a new ocp bylaw file number 98 was drafted

[0:45:54] Voice 13: given first reading in November of 2020,

[0:45:59] Voice 13: and referrals were sent out at that stage.

[0:46:02] Voice 13: And after some amendments,

[0:46:04] Voice 13: second reading was given on October 4th, 2021.

[0:46:08] Voice 13: That's the most recent time

[0:46:09] Voice 13: that the by-law was given second reading.

[0:46:11] Voice 13: And since then, the by-law hasn't been amended.

[0:46:14] Voice 13: There's been no public hearing,

[0:46:16] Voice 13: either scheduled or conducted,

[0:46:18] Voice 13: but the work is focused primarily

[0:46:20] Voice 13: primarily on resolving concerns raised in two referral responses, one from the Ministry

[0:46:26] Voice 13: of Forests, Lands and Natural Resources, and we spoke briefly in the FUAL section there

[0:46:32] Voice 13: on that ATC referral, and the other is from the Stannos First Nation.

[0:46:38] Voice 13: And so other critical steps for this project moving forward will include the by-law does

[0:46:44] Voice 13: not agree with the Address Trust Policy Statement, that it meets Local Government Act requirements

[0:46:48] Voice 13: requirements for an official community plan and that the objectives of the project charter are

[0:46:53] Voice 13: achieved so this report presents a new work plan which is an attachment to and staff requesting

[0:47:00] direction from the LTC regarding the work plan as well as

[0:47:02] Voice 13: specific direction for that first step in

[0:47:06] Voice 13: our work plan just to reach out to St. Augustine First Nation to schedule a meeting in order to

[0:47:10] Voice 13: discuss the LCP bylaw.

[0:47:14] Voice 11: Fantastic, thank you. I'm just going to ask, I'm new to this project in this

[0:47:22] Voice 11: community, were referrals also sent out to Glamin First Nation and so is there any reason we'll,

[0:47:33] Voice 11: okay so we're just talking about dealing with the comments that were received from

[0:47:38] Voice 11: now so i'm assuming we didn't get any other responses okay um would it be worth it to send

[0:47:45] Voice 11: it out again for because it's been a while well

[0:47:53] Voice 13: uh to the chair uh if there were significant

[0:47:57] Voice 13: amendments made to the ocp by law then at that point i think it would uh like make sense to send

[0:48:03] Voice 13: send it up again. As I said, the by-law hasn't changed since October 2021, that's all.

[0:48:13] Voice 11: But local governments and First Nation governments do change, and I wonder, as a courtesy,

[0:48:19] Voice 11: would it be worth it to send a letter to the other nations, Qualicum as well, and say that we're continuing to work on this,

[0:48:30] Voice 11: the by-law hasn't changed, if you want to look in your files, we referred this to you, so on.

[0:48:35] Voice 11: i just want to make sure that you know sometimes councils change the whole and we don't want to be

[0:48:41] Voice 11: in a situation where there's a surprise our bylaw is proceeding and perhaps there's a different

[0:48:49] Voice 11: bunch of councillors or members that aren't up to date i don't know these things get lost in

[0:48:56] Voice 11: paperwork no man's land so i'm just wanting to make sure that um yeah because two years is a

[0:49:03] Voice 11: long time would that be extra work or is that just sort of a letter from our our ltc to so normally

[0:49:14] Voice 13: we would send out uh referrals from from our office um and so that would be the best work

[0:49:20] Voice 13: that we can do and we can take the ltc's direction on that

[0:49:23] Voice 3: and

[0:49:25] Voice 13: there would typically be a period of

[0:49:27] Voice 13: time to allow for responses so something at least 60 days so

[0:49:33] Voice 11: that would be my only comment would be

[0:49:35] Voice 11: to include the other first nations uh not responding to their comments because they didn't

[0:49:40] Voice 11: comment on the first referral but perhaps just updating them on where we're at in the process

[0:49:44] Voice 11: um that's so that's my only comment on the workflow do you have anything or just either

[0:49:50] Voice 11: yeah

[0:49:51] Voice 15: i um i support that notion chair i think it's uh especially if it's doesn't it's not a

[0:50:00] Voice 15: make a workload uh addition for staff um it has been a while and i think that the

[0:50:08] Voice 15: if that can help us avoid a situation where we're advancing the project and then

[0:50:15] Voice 15: uh and then get um you know much later the project gets some some comments that object to parts of

[0:50:23] the language

[0:50:25] Voice 15: or any of that i think it's it's definitely much better to

[0:50:27] Voice 15: try and so you know solicit if there's if there's still no comments five and proceed but if there

[0:50:35] Voice 15: are any new comments it's certainly better to consider them later so okay

[0:50:39] Voice 3: and

[0:50:40] Voice 15: um staff would

[0:50:42] Voice 15: you want a reservation for that it's a courtesy pardon me and it is it's courtesy and as as as

[0:50:50] Voice 15: chair elliott stated it has been a couple years and and it's certainly bobbing and i know what

[0:50:56] Voice 15: co-ops has some uh some new members uh there so i think it's perfectly reasonable i will

[0:51:03] Voice 15: stick together a resolution while you continue okay

[0:51:06] Voice 10: so

[0:51:10] Voice 11: um just i'm not familiar uh what were the

[0:51:16] Voice 11: concerns from flint rods could you summarize the forest lands and natural resource operations

[0:51:25] Voice 13: just

[0:51:26] Voice 11: in general yeah

[0:51:28] Voice 13: i couldn't uh trust the peterson's name memory

[0:51:32] Voice 15: so my memory is that

[0:51:35] Voice 15: uh essentially that the funeral didn't like them despite the fact their advocacy policies

[0:51:42] Voice 15: that they um that they essentially tended to infringe upon the flood road

[0:51:52] Voice 15: road um uh jurisdiction by stating what the community thinks should or shouldn't happen

[0:52:00] Voice 15: on crown lands and although the you know unadvocacy policy the ocp you know vis-a-vis a provincial

[0:52:09] Voice 15: agency doesn't have any you know it doesn't affect their jurisdiction they just didn't

[0:52:16] Voice 15: like the language that's that's the sense that i remember but uh we did i recall that

[0:52:22] Voice 15: we asked for further information back from them and i don't think we got more than their

[0:52:28] Voice 15: additional response and i'll also know that one of the reasons that this is here is because the

[0:52:36] Voice 15: community association you know had done this a lot of public outreach a lot of work to bring

[0:52:43] Voice 15: the reports to the local trust committee and that those uh those areas uh that spoke about

[0:52:49] Voice 15: the advocacy of advocacy on crown land were uh felt to be important by the committee that brought

[0:52:55] Voice 15: that report to us and um and after the referral response there you know there was a suggestion

[0:53:04] Voice 15: uh that you know if we just remove it then we don't have to deal with any opposition from flint

[0:53:08] Voice 15: but there was also several community members that asked the local trust committee

[0:53:14] Voice 15: to not just out of hand remove them based on that referral response and so that again goes back to

[0:53:22] Voice 15: the referral to the to the apc to try and get some some advisors or clarity from them on like

[0:53:29] Voice 15: do we want to just proceed the way we want it is it reasonable to remove them so that's why

[0:53:34] Voice 15: that referral is outstanding okay i

[0:53:37] Voice 15: hope that helps yeah

[0:53:38] Voice 11: it helps me christy laroney is there

[0:53:43] Voice 11: anything and we don't have to rush through this this is a very important project obviously for

[0:53:49] Voice 11: the community and getting it right in terms of process so that everyone is included and

[0:53:55] Voice 11: is heard and that the community has a chance to understand where we're at is probably the most

[0:54:02] Voice 11: important thing so I'm happy

[0:54:04] Voice 11: to spend time on this and let everyone ask all

[0:54:07] Voice 11: the questions that you want. One thought that I had is we might want to talk to

[0:54:41] Voice 11: Director Frater who last I heard was we're almost complete completing the

[0:54:49] Voice 11: process of sending out letters of introduction to all the First Nations in

[0:54:55] Voice 11: the trust area introducing the new trustees and sort of updating everyone on status but perhaps

[0:55:04] Voice 11: there could be an appendix so perhaps that letter of introduction from liskiti could include

[0:55:12] Voice 11: here's a status update on our ocp review we sent a referral to you on this date

[0:55:20] Voice 11: um haven't heard back if there's any other way that we could engage with you

[0:55:25] Voice 11: uh on this project it's important for our community it's important that we hear from the

[0:55:31] Voice 11: nation that might be a way of doing it so that we're not i don't know what you think i have to

[0:55:38] Voice 11: talk to director freighter i think

[0:55:40] Voice 15: um certainly nice to hear what director freighter says i don't

[0:55:44] Voice 15: think these two things are at odds um and certainly letter of introduction is quite a bit different

[0:55:53] Voice 15: different than a re-referral so I think maybe you know we should

[0:55:57] Voice 13: look at them as being complimentary

[0:55:59] Voice 13: rather than necessarily having to roll them into one yeah

[0:56:02] Voice 11: yeah I wasn't actually I mean do we need

[0:56:06] Voice 11: to do a re-referral or a status update that was sort of more what I was thinking because I don't

[0:56:12] Voice 11: want to redo work that was already done it's more here's where we're at in our ICP process nothing

[0:56:19] Voice 11: has changed in the last two years but we're still open to comment if you if you want to engage on

[0:56:25] Voice 11: this but then of course we have to give that appropriate time so it essentially is a referral

[0:56:30] Voice 11: do you have any insight into this uh process director sir

[0:56:35] Voice 13: you'd like to repeat the question

[0:56:37] Voice 13: oh

[0:56:37] Voice 11: sorry um if we were to send out a status update to a nation that we haven't heard back from

[0:56:46] Voice 11: in the original referral process two years ago but we were to say here's where we're at nothing

[0:56:52] Voice 11: has changed with this proposed bylaw um we sent a letter to you at this date we're re-engaging

[0:57:02] Voice 11: with the community on the process um if you have any thoughts on it or would like to be engaged

[0:57:09] Voice 11: you know

[0:57:10] Voice 11: here's where we're at so not a re-referral but a status update here's where this

[0:57:14] Voice 11: community is at in our ocp review we're still open to hearing from you is kind of what i'm

[0:57:20] Voice 11: thinking but then we have to give a window to hear back from them so that essentially

[0:57:28] Voice 11: would that be a re-referral a

[0:57:31] Voice 13: referral is a formal process

[0:57:36] Voice 13: and i'd also encourage you if you really want to engage with the first nations that we do

[0:57:43] Voice 13: you may have access to other funds but if you're just looking to re-engage with your mind and that

[0:57:51] Voice 13: this is going on as you know they triage and obviously that wasn't on the top of their list

[0:57:56] Voice 12: and

[0:57:57] Voice 13: you're just bringing it back to them i personally i would recommend you send them

[0:58:00] Voice 13: that letter give them 60 days but you also get whoever is the best contact staff or elected

[0:58:06] Voice 13: officials pick a phone and spur them to explain why you think it's of value and why you'd like

[0:58:12] Voice 13: right

[0:58:12] Voice 11: okay that sounds really good good advice so i'll just repeat it for the minute taker who

[0:58:20] Voice 11: may not have heard that um suggestion was to if we send a letter to re-engage let them know we're

[0:58:31] Voice 11: out of the project give the 60 days sort of notice make sure that they're apprised of the dates and

[0:58:39] Voice 11: then try to get in contact with sort of the best liaison person um yeah i think that sounds good

[0:58:47] Voice 11: anyway that's what i would recommend but i'll leave it to you to discuss hold the microphone

[0:58:51] Voice 11: okay

[0:58:52] Voice 15: chair with your indulgence i have prepared a motion um that we could discuss and

[0:59:01] amend if necessary and uh i'll just

[0:59:05] Voice 15: preface by saying use language that

[0:59:08] Voice 15: uh it's not perhaps exactly the way uh staff would normally hear it but i'll go ahead and read it i

[0:59:15] Voice 15: uh move that the lgc request staff to send an interim ocp referral to first nations at a stat

[0:59:22] Voice 15: as a status update in light of the time that has passed since the previous referral i second that

[0:59:29] Voice 11: wait two first nations do we want to be more specific because this is direction of the staff

[0:59:37] Voice 15: well i wasn't more specific because

[0:59:41] Voice 5: i know that in the regular from laskini and we've talked to

[0:59:53] Voice 15: so i mean yeah it

[0:59:55] Voice 15: may not be necessary to include them but rather than listing them all out i just

[1:00:00] Voice 11: Okay. So how about we just say First Nations in the Muskegee Trust area?

[1:00:04] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:00:05] Voice 15: I just wasn't.

[1:00:09] Voice 15: And again, you know, a lot of times it's just a matter if staff is okay with understanding where we're coming from.

[1:00:18] Voice 15: And if they want it more explicit.

[1:00:23] Voice 11: Catherine, are you okay with this so far?

[1:00:27] Voice 2: I think so. I might have missed the last part, but I've got that the Luskegee Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to send an interim OCP referral status update to First Nations, given the time that has elapsed since the last referral.

[1:00:42] Voice 2: I might have put my own words because you were speaking too quickly for me.

[1:00:48] Voice 15: I apologize for speaking so quickly, but you have the essentials of it.

[1:00:55] Voice 2: okay um the only thing i was wondering is if to put relevant first nations or just for or first

[1:01:03] Voice 2: nations if

[1:01:04] Voice 11: we say first nations with interest in the listini local trust area would that cover it

[1:01:10] Voice 11: or

[1:01:12] Voice 15: we could be even more specific and say first nations from whom we have not had a referral

[1:01:18] Voice 15: a response because then that means we already know we've got the response from us then that would

[1:01:24] Voice 15: explicitly mean that we're not sending this this to us at this point right does

[1:01:29] Voice 15: that make sense

[1:01:35] Voice 13: you would probably want to capture those organizations who

[1:01:40] Voice 13: didn't respond or who responded with you know indicating they didn't have interest

[1:01:46] Voice 13: for differing to another nation perhaps so

[1:01:50] Voice 14: First Nations either

[1:01:57] Voice 15: did not respond

[1:02:02] Voice 15: or responded interests unaffected yeah

[1:02:09] Voice 12: did

[1:02:10] Voice 15: I did you get that Catherine

[1:02:13] Voice 7: yes

[1:02:15] Voice 2: so

[1:02:15] Voice 2: so the whole motion would read that the Liskety Island local trust committee

[1:02:22] Voice 2: committee request staff to send an interim OCP referral status update to First Nations who either

[1:02:28] Voice 2: did not respond or responded with interest unaffected given the time that has elapsed

[1:02:36] Voice 2: since the last referral that's

[1:02:40] Voice 15: that sounds right to me staff are you happy with that

[1:02:42] Voice 15: no I think that'll work okay consider

[1:02:48] Voice 14: it so moved that I

[1:02:53] Voice 11: will okay a little we still have

[1:02:57] Voice 11: work to get through so let's just deal with that piece of business then we can

[1:03:02] Voice 11: go back to the larger project charter I will second it thank you for putting

[1:03:08] Voice 11: that together trustee Peterson is there any further discussion on this

[1:03:13] Voice 11: resolution I'll call for the vote all those in favor trustee Laroni has her

[1:03:24] Voice 11: hand up and that is carried okay thanks for that's just a big piece of work I

[1:03:30] Voice 11: want to keep bringing back have we done early and meaningful engagement that means for me checking in

[1:03:35] Voice 11: so i appreciate

[1:03:36] Voice 15: that procedural suggestion um because trustee is not in the room and we don't

[1:03:43] Voice 15: have her up on a screen if she could uh speak when voting either say i or nay or you know sport or

[1:03:53] Voice 15: not sport then the person the people in the room can hear and then there's no ambiguity about that

[1:03:58] Voice 15: all

[1:03:58] Voice 9: right i um seconded or thirded that motion then in

[1:04:03] Voice 15: favor in

[1:04:04] Voice 9: favor there we are i was in

[1:04:05] Voice 9: favor of the more

[1:04:05] Voice 15: opposed yeah that's what i was aiming for but yeah

[1:04:08] Voice 9: i just

[1:04:09] Voice 15: think this is

[1:04:09] Voice 15: a procedural good point yeah

[1:04:12] Voice 15: yeah absolutely not to be nitpicky but sometimes okay

[1:04:17] Voice 11: so we have the

[1:04:18] Voice 11: project charter uh version 5.0 with a new work plan so let's just take a look at the charter

[1:04:25] Voice 11: and work plan again. The work plan, the next step in phase two of the project on page 27

[1:04:36] Voice 11: is to resolve the outstanding referral comments that were received from Sonos First Nation

[1:04:40] Voice 11: and Flynn Road to review OCP bylaw number 98 for consistency with project charter objectives,

[1:04:50] Voice 11: LGA requirements, and the trust policy statement, and three, amend the OCP bylaw number 98 and

[1:04:56] Voice 11: give it second reading so project charter if you'll call in January trustee

[1:05:05] Voice 11: Peterson asked that the update the to clarify the lot sizes that subdivision

[1:05:12] Voice 11: to be 10 acres precisely 4.0 for minimum and as we heard from member of the

[1:05:18] Voice 11: public today to consider a precise mathematical calculation including two

[1:05:24] Voice 11: two more digit points.

[1:05:29] Voice 11: That's included, so those considerations are now in scope.

[1:05:33] Voice 11: Everything else is, I believe, as originally laid out.

[1:05:40] Voice 15: Do

[1:05:41] Voice 10: you have anything to add on this?

[1:05:43] Voice 15: I just have a question for staff in terms of that number

[1:05:47] Voice 15: and the minimum lot size and the consideration.

[1:05:55] Voice 15: Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely in support of the community expectation and the community

[1:06:01] Voice 15: discussion has always have been about 10 acres minimum.

[1:06:04] Voice 15: Just for background, in case you didn't know, we had a development in the last year or so

[1:06:12] Voice 15: where because they didn't subdivide, they had enough space using the four with no, just

[1:06:25] Voice 15: using the four they managed to squeak an extra lot out that's why this is an issue so um my question

[1:06:37] Voice 15: is uh taking another decimal point is that is is is it more reasonable to add the extra

[1:06:46] Voice 15: decimal point or simply just go to 4.05 just from from or maybe i don't know if that's for

[1:06:58] Voice 15: you or for Stefan but just so we're not like what standard practice well

[1:07:05] Voice 13: this challenges are rising

[1:07:08] Voice 13: in part because we use metric and of course acres are not um and so you it's up to you I think if

[1:07:15] Voice 13: you want to make either slightly over 10 acres with 4.05 vectors or if you want to try and be

[1:07:22] Voice 13: be exactly the more precise number that distinctly is worse.

[1:07:28] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:07:31] I

[1:07:34] Voice 11: mean, if we change these numbers now, the charter will

[1:07:38] Voice 11: have to, I mean, we can, we can

[1:07:41] Voice 11: amend the charter and then

[1:07:43] Voice 11: approve it and then it'd be posted to the website. So yeah,

[1:07:48] Voice 11: I'm going to leave it to you. That's fine. Thanks for your

[1:07:51] Voice 11: answer.

[1:07:51] Voice 11: here

[1:07:51] Voice 14: i'm looking for trustee the running house thoughts just

[1:07:56] Voice 11: in the running any thoughts i think

[1:08:00] Voice 9: that's one of them i'm gonna have to mull over a little bit it's kind of i totally understand

[1:08:07] Voice 9: where we're going but i mean if i have american friends who are just like oh this is great you

[1:08:11] Voice 9: guys are all taking the metric i'm like well actually not really we're a bit of both so i

[1:08:16] Voice 9: understand wanting it to be um bilingual or by measurement as it were so that what we're when

[1:08:24] Voice 9: we say 10 acres we're actually meaning 10 acres even if the official rules are in hectares

[1:08:38] Voice 15: so based on just thinking about this on the fly not that i haven't thought about it before

[1:08:46] Voice 15: but i think that if there's no problem with adding the more decimals to the number from from a

[1:08:53] a planning perspective that that

[1:08:57] Voice 15: accurate more accurately reflects the community understanding

[1:09:02] Voice 15: 10 acre minimum than arbitrarily deciding to change the 0.04 to the 0.05 now i personally

[1:09:13] Voice 15: don't mind just going straight up to 0.05 however they're you know just in in a sense of

[1:09:25] Voice 15: of thinking carefully about what the community may the community expectations here if the multiple

[1:09:34] Voice 15: is large enough then by changing that 0.04 to 0.05 um you know if the lot size is big enough

[1:09:45] Voice 15: to begin with that subdivision then perhaps we're restricting what the expectations of the

[1:09:52] Voice 15: the possible subdivision would be.

[1:09:54] Voice 15: I don't know, less

[1:09:57] Voice 10: is

[1:10:00] Voice 15: more as far as I'm concerned.

[1:10:02] Voice 15: However, in line with the community expectation

[1:10:04] Voice 15: around 10 acres, rather than go, you know, .05,

[1:10:11] Voice 15: let's go .04 and a couple more decimals

[1:10:15] if that is okay to do so.

[1:10:17] Through the Chair, perhaps given that we're currently

[1:10:22] talking about the project charter

[1:10:23] and what ultimately will matter is is the bylaw um perhaps just in the project charter we could

[1:10:30] remove the hectares and leave it at 10 acres

[1:10:33] Voice 13: and allow you to still need to come to a conclusion

[1:10:40] Voice 13: yeah thank you for that suggestion actually um um so that would be i'll just make a note that

[1:10:49] Voice 15: i'm going to suggest we amend it by changing the reference to acres well

[1:10:54] Voice 11: we just strike the um

[1:10:57] Voice 11: the thing in parentheses just leave it at 10 acres and take out 4.04 hectares right

[1:11:04] Voice 12: so

[1:11:06] Voice 11: unfortunately we're working with acres but we'll have we'll have that understanding that

[1:11:11] Voice 11: that conversation will be had likely with the apc uh as to the community's preferences i personally

[1:11:20] Voice 11: we would like to take a five-minute break and i want to do a skill testing question

[1:11:25] Voice 11: what is the large what is the size of this large property that we're talking about that is up for

[1:11:31] Voice 11: subdivision and i want to just do it let's do a math calculation what actually would be 4.04 and

[1:11:38] Voice 11: 4.04 whatever whatever uh if that was the division i don't think

[1:11:44] Voice 11: we're taking a break we're taking

[1:11:46] Voice 15: a

[1:11:48] Voice 11: break and i'm well we're gonna do i'm doing the skill testing question okay so we'll take a five

[1:11:53] Voice 11: minute recess come back at uh 12.

[1:11:56] Voice 5: see i'm so terrible at math let's resume

[1:16:41] Voice 11: our meeting thank

[1:16:43] Voice 11: you everybody for the cookie break uh trustee peterson trustee laroni this is the breaks if

[1:16:48] Voice 11: you are not in the room you do not get cookies catherine are you back online with us hello chair

[1:17:01] Voice 11: Thank you, Catherine. Okay, so we're midway through discussion of the project charter version 4.5 prepared, and the current discussion is to just strike the reference to 4.04 hectares, so that we are discussing a tenant.

[1:17:23] Voice 11: i'm curious no matter what the metric conversion ends up being the decision will be deferred

[1:17:30] Voice 11: till uh down the line is that what you're saying steven just take out the 4.04

[1:17:36] Voice 11: okay is there anything else in this charter and work plan that um we want to discuss the only

[1:17:54] the only other the

[1:17:55] Voice 15: only other thing that um that i think uh occurs to me i mean we have

[1:18:05] Voice 15: have the the motion to just to sort of re-refer which i think is appropriate and respectful

[1:18:14] Voice 15: actually now that i'm rereading it it does say establish opportunities for intergovernmental

[1:18:18] Voice 15: mental collaboration so i'm actually going to leave that alone

[1:18:23] Voice 11: and actually if you look at

[1:18:28] Voice 11: project team flamen first nation is on that team so that's an interesting question how

[1:18:36] Voice 11: how does that relationship work do we have a a point person from flamen that

[1:18:43] Voice 11: why are they listed as being on the project team anybody know i

[1:18:50] Voice 13: i could not respond to that question

[1:18:51] Voice 13: okay i

[1:18:56] Voice 11: think it's a good thing just one nation is listed as being on the project team

[1:19:01] Voice 11: The other one is not, so.

[1:19:09] Voice 14: Yeah, I don't know the answer to that either.

[1:19:17] Voice 11: So just looking at the work plan, we don't have any dates tied to getting these referrals back to Flynnrod and setting up a meeting with Mental Health First Nation.

[1:19:33] Voice 11: typically how given your workload Steven what what kind of timeline might we expect for that first

[1:19:42] Voice 11: step and phase to the to respond to the outstanding referral comments yeah

[1:19:49] Voice 13: well we can I can work to

[1:19:51] Voice 13: to schedule a meeting in the fairly near term.

[1:19:56] I think what is unknown at this point too

[1:20:00] is the land loss capacity and what they're scheduling

[1:20:04] Voice 13: and what it looks like to organize the meeting as well.

[1:20:08] Voice 13: And so that's sort of an unknown still.

[1:20:14] Voice 11: And I'll notice that the work plan does not include

[1:20:20] Voice 11: analysis of the land use by-law alignment.

[1:20:26] Voice 11: So this was, so I'm just looking back to the resolution, we were talking about, you know, you're engaging with the project for the first time. So this is the first review of steps forward. But what we talked about was the sort of a high level scope of how does the proposed bylaw, like what kind of work is it going to take to create land use bylaws from it?

[1:20:54] Voice 11: so can that be included in the work plan at this point yes

[1:20:59] Voice 13: yeah and I did I

[1:21:00] Voice 13: apologize I didn't intend to include that it's not specifically listed here

[1:21:06] Voice 13: at all

[1:21:06] Voice 11: okay if we can add that as a number four or something so

[1:21:13] Voice 13: in this work plan

[1:21:14] Voice 13: phase three is the LUB update so that part is is here is it still part of this

[1:21:22] Voice 13: project um but that analysis of the ocd though it certainly occurred before phase three right

[1:21:29] Voice 13: um but it isn't highlighted specifically in this work as a staff okay

[1:21:34] Voice 12: um

[1:21:37] Voice 13: but

[1:21:38] Voice 15: i feel like we gave

[1:21:41] direction around that that was from

[1:21:45] Voice 15: this year

[1:21:46] Voice 11: okay

[1:21:47] Voice 15: so that was that was this year then

[1:21:52] Voice 11: okay

[1:21:53] Voice 15: okay so

[1:21:54] Voice 11: we don't hasn't been done so okay

[1:21:56] Voice 15: so we don't need to we don't need to to direct staff

[1:21:58] Voice 15: to do that we've already directed them yeah okay i

[1:22:01] Voice 11: just know that it wasn't in the yeah thank you

[1:22:03] Voice 15: for that because that's that's an important consideration we did want to we thought that

[1:22:09] Voice 15: that and we heard from well

[1:22:11] Voice 11: staff said that that needed to be done yeah

[1:22:13] Voice 15: we heard from some

[1:22:14] Voice 15: some of you didn't access that would actually help um to assure that we complete the project this

[1:22:21] Voice 15: term or like like accelerate the lub part of it when we finish the ocp so thank you for pointing

[1:22:28] Voice 15: that out um i'm happy to uh i would move that um that the ltdc requests staff to move remove

[1:22:45] Voice 15: move the reference to 4.04

[1:22:49] Voice 14: hectares from phase three of the project charter

[1:22:57] Voice 11: i'll second that i'm

[1:23:00] Voice 10: supposed to maybe she's supposed to say in

[1:23:03] Voice 11: favor you're now you're

[1:23:07] Voice 11: anticipating okay any further discussion before i call for the vote trustee laroni no

[1:23:13] Voice 9: no it's

[1:23:14] Voice 9: katherine

[1:23:15] Voice 11: katherine

[1:23:16] Voice 2: are you okay with

[1:23:17] Voice 11: this that

[1:23:19] Voice 2: the lusketeer ltc requests staff to remove the

[1:23:22] Voice 2: reference to 4.04 hectares from phase three of the project charter gosh you're fast she's awesome

[1:23:30] Voice 2: thank you

[1:23:31] Voice 2: okay i'll call for the

[1:23:32] Voice 11: vote all those in favor in favor

[1:23:35] Voice 11: excellent thank you trust me

[1:23:38] Voice 9: So we're on you.

[1:23:49] Voice 14: I

[1:23:54] Voice 10: missed it, 24.

[1:23:56] Voice 10: Oh, something.

[1:23:59] Voice 10: I don't even

[1:23:59] Voice 10: know what that's for.

[1:24:00] Voice 12: I

[1:24:07] Voice 15: am prepared to move

[1:24:08] Voice 15: that the Leskeetee Island Local Trust Committee

[1:24:11] Voice 15: approved project charter version 5.0,

[1:24:14] Voice 15: including a new work plan for the Leskeetee Island OCP

[1:24:17] Voice 15: LUB review project as amended.

[1:24:20] Voice 11: Actually, sorry, before we, a second though,

[1:24:24] Voice 11: I'll just note that the charter is listed as version 4.5

[1:24:29] Voice 11: in the package and what you just read was five and we should probably say s amended so which one is it

[1:24:39] Voice 15: i thought yeah uh the project

[1:24:42] Voice 13: charter is attached yeah

[1:24:44] Voice 13: thank you so if you refer to page 32.

[1:24:50] Voice 11: uh-huh thank you i was looking at the wrong one

[1:24:54] Voice 11: Did you buy that?

[1:24:56] Voice 12: I did say as many.

[1:24:57] Voice 12: You did?

[1:24:57] Voice 11: I'm sorry.

[1:25:00] Voice 11: Jeepers.

[1:25:01] Voice 11: I'll second that.

[1:25:03] Voice 11: Any further discussion?

[1:25:07] Voice 11: Nope.

[1:25:07] Voice 11: Call for the vote.

[1:25:09] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[1:25:11] Voice 9: In favor.

[1:25:13] Voice 11: Excellent.

[1:25:13] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:25:16] Voice 11: Trustee Leroni, do you feel like making a motion?

[1:25:18] Voice 11: There's a second resolution there on page 24.

[1:25:21] Voice 11: And Trustee Peterson is eating lunch.

[1:25:24] Voice 11: So, sir, would you like to make that motion?

[1:25:29] Voice 9: Sure. Okay. And this is number two. I move

[1:25:37] Voice 9: that the Lusketia Island Local Trust Committee

[1:25:41] Voice 9: direct staff to schedule a meeting between the Lusketia Island Local Trust Committee

[1:25:45] Voice 9: and Stanaa's First Nations to discuss the proposed OCP bylaw number 98.

[1:25:54] Voice 11: Seconded by Trustee Peterson. Any further discussion? I would just ask, I mean,

[1:26:02] Voice 11: resolving the outstanding referral comments we're also going to get back to flimrod as part of the

[1:26:08] Voice 11: process yes um

[1:26:12] Voice 15: so my understanding of of where we're at with that is because the flimrod part

[1:26:22] Voice 15: and we don't know we know what flimrod objects to like in the sessions we don't know for sure

[1:26:31] Voice 15: which part the NOS has concerns with so we need to talk to some NOS find out

[1:26:40] Voice 15: where their concerns were

[1:26:41] Voice 3: that's

[1:26:42] Voice 15: why the referral to the APC is on hold because

[1:26:45] Voice 15: if the NOS has the same concerns as CLROD does then that changes how we send

[1:26:57] Voice 15: that referral to the abc because we're not just saying like those are two very different stories

[1:27:04] Voice 15: right yeah there

[1:27:05] Voice 15: may be community appetite to say too bad fun rod this is what the community says

[1:27:12] Voice 15: but i don't think the same appetite would pertain to the first nation okay

[1:27:17] Voice 12: thank you i would agree

[1:27:19] Voice 13: with that from whatever oh

[1:27:22] Voice 11: thanks for explaining trustee peterson that actually does clarify things

[1:27:26] Voice 11: things a lot um so thank you we i'll second that motion and so now it's or did you you already did

[1:27:36] Voice 11: sorry trustee peterson seconded i could be lost in my own process any further discussion i'll call

[1:27:43] Voice 11: for the vote all those in favor aye and that is carried excellent work thank you planner ba

[1:27:51] Voice 11: off did i get it right thanks yes i see your hand there sir but we're going to finish our

[1:27:59] Voice 11: business and maybe at the break you can ask your questions um okay so there's no delegations today

[1:28:29] Voice 11: um just recognizing a member of the public had a question um does the ltc want to receive that

[1:28:35] Voice 11: question this is the time for delegations but uh we'll give you a second public comment time sir

[1:28:41] Voice 11: oh

[1:28:41] Voice 8: thanks i just wanted to ask uh what the current luv uses for measurements in terms of subject

[1:28:48] Voice 13: subdivision

[1:28:49] Voice 6: is

[1:28:50] Voice 13: it using four hectares or is it using time what do you know what the current

[1:28:59] Voice 13: situation is do

[1:29:02] Voice 11: we know connor boss through

[1:29:04] Voice 13: the chair i can i can look and report back to you i

[1:29:12] Voice 15: It's my understanding that it is the metric and it is the for the forehead. Yeah, yeah. And that that's the way that that extra lot or not a lot because it wasn't subdivided, but that extra dwelling was was me down there. That's my understanding. And so

[1:29:33] Voice 15: I

[1:29:34] Voice 13: just raised the question to

[1:29:36] Voice 13: Make sure there's still urgency around

[1:29:38] Voice 13: out because removing it from the project charter does

[1:29:41] Voice 12: not remove it as an issue

[1:29:43] Voice 15: absolutely right

[1:29:45] Voice 15: just that we're now that it says only 10 acres that was deemed sufficient by the

[1:29:53] Voice 15: planner to remind us that we need to decide whether we're going to go with the you know 4.0

[1:30:00] Voice 15: six eight whatever it is or discussion or what maybe should we just go 0.05 and we don't have

[1:30:10] Voice 15: to make that determination at this moment so thank

[1:30:14] Voice 7: you okay

[1:30:17] Voice 11: it appears there is no correspondence to

[1:30:21] Voice 11: deal with of course if you have any questions or opinions or perspectives on any current

[1:30:28] Voice 11: to applications or projects you're always free to write the leskeety island local trust committee

[1:30:35] Voice 11: at islandtrust.bc.ca um and we can receive those and put them in the agendas for discussion

[1:30:43] Voice 11: uh any new business we have one item uh 11.1 and regarding apc notices

[1:30:51] Voice 11: thank

[1:30:52] Voice 15: you i don't think i need to explain it in depth but i do have a motion prepared

[1:30:57] Voice 15: and I'll your indulgence I'll go ahead and make the motion I move that the

[1:31:02] Liskety local trust committee

[1:31:03] Voice 15: request staff to clarify who is responsible to

[1:31:07] Voice 15: post public notice of APC meetings

[1:31:10] Voice 11: can I make a suggestion can we just say

[1:31:16] Voice 11: request that staff post notices of APC meetings 10 days in advance so that it's

[1:31:21] Voice 11: done because there is somebody in charge of that from my understanding no yes

[1:31:28] Voice 11: Yes, Director of Legislative Services.

[1:31:30] Voice 11: Hello.

[1:31:31] Voice 13: Interesting.

[1:31:34] Voice 13: Director of Planning and Services.

[1:31:36] Voice 13: That's quite a full name.

[1:31:37] Voice 11: Legislative, right?

[1:31:38] Voice 13: Your immediate ABC meeting bylaw,

[1:31:40] Voice 13: I read it while sitting here,

[1:31:42] Voice 13: it says that the secretary is responsible for that

[1:31:45] Voice 13: and there's a timeline.

[1:31:46] Voice 15: And another-

[1:31:47] Voice 13: Oh,

[1:31:47] Voice 15: secretary of the ABC.

[1:31:50] Voice 15: Correct.

[1:31:50] Voice 15: So I'm not sure who the appointed secretary is.

[1:31:53] Voice 11: Ah, thank you.

[1:31:56] Voice 13: Through the chair,

[1:31:57] Voice 13: a new secretary was was elected at this at this meeting so there was no secretary because their

[1:32:03] Voice 13: tournament expired so that explains

[1:32:06] Voice 11: the missing person's issue is to be solved new abc not yet

[1:32:14] Voice 11: having a secretary there was no meeting notice so thanks for bringing that to our attention and

[1:32:19] Voice 11: thank you for looking at the uh the bylaw so do we need a motion yet what

[1:32:26] Voice 15: i would do is i would um

[1:32:27] Voice 15: i would change this motion to read that let's give you local uh trust committee request staff

[1:32:37] Voice 15: to notify the abc

[1:32:40] Voice 12: who is

[1:32:44] Voice 15: responsible the most public notice of abc meetings and then if we

[1:32:49] Voice 15: notify the whole abc and then the whole abc knows their secretary that makes sense all right did i

[1:32:57] Voice 15: Did I say that slow enough, Catherine?

[1:33:04] Voice 2: That the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to notify the APC about who is responsible to post public meeting notices of APC meetings.

[1:33:19] Voice 15: Good enough, yeah.

[1:33:20] Voice 2: Or who is responsible.

[1:33:22] Voice 15: Who is responsible to post public notice of APC meetings.

[1:33:28] Voice 11: Do I have a seconder for the motion?

[1:33:31] Voice 11: I second the motion.

[1:33:33] Voice 11: Thank you, Trustee Leroni. Any further discussion?

[1:33:37] Voice 9: no

[1:33:38] Voice 11: all those in favor aye and that was carried thank you trustee peterson trying to clear my

[1:33:49] Voice 11: mouth here um so in terms of reports there isn't um a trust conservancy report because there hasn't

[1:33:57] Voice 11: been a meeting since our last uh mesquite local trust committee meeting um i can give a verbal

[1:34:03] Voice 11: update if anybody is interested but i'm not sure there's anything relevant with this local trust

[1:34:09] Voice 11: area. Applications report on page 36 the standard

[1:34:17] Voice 10: PLR

[1:34:36] Voice 11: extension. It's in the subdivision application.

[1:34:44] Voice 13: This is an admin from Moody. I believe it's the preliminary layout review.

[1:34:58] Voice 11: Okay, any questions on the applications report or the trustee local expense report?

[1:35:07] Voice 11: or adoptive policies and standing resolutions?

[1:35:11] Voice 11: Anybody?

[1:35:16] Voice 15: I should have probably called that in the follow-up action list.

[1:35:20] Voice 15: We did ask staff for some analysis around the model protocol language

[1:35:31] Voice 15: in the standing resolution that we were considering looking at

[1:35:35] Voice 15: from Salt Spring.

[1:35:36] Voice 15: I just wonder if there's any update on that.

[1:35:57] Voice 11: I think there was a question raised last time about meeting notification.

[1:36:00] Voice 11: notification is that um been resolved like things are he's booked about her oh I missed that there's

[1:36:09] Voice 13: a report it exists he didn't get it

[1:36:10] Voice 15: here I'll see them again the next time

[1:36:13] Voice 11: you did right I wrote it

[1:36:15] Voice 11: down thank you uh local trust committee web page do you use that wonderful communication tool known

[1:36:24] Voice 11: as the World Wide Web I've just written my first not an official report but um I've started using

[1:36:33] Voice 11: it in the trustees corner I must admit finding the trustees corner is actually

[1:36:38] Voice 11: a little bit difficult the website is got some issues and I appreciate that

[1:36:43] Voice 11: but right now it's are still a pretty good tool to communicate so I do

[1:36:47] Voice 11: encourage local trustees to write your thoughts and opinions for members of the

[1:36:54] Voice 11: community it would be very helpful so number twelve point six approval of

[1:37:02] Voice 11: the Muskegee Islands LTC section for 2022-23 annual report request for decision on page 40.

[1:37:18] Voice 10: On

[1:37:25] Voice 13: Zoom, Morgana Beninkirk is presenting, if you can speak to the side.

[1:37:30] Voice 13: Great,

[1:37:31] Voice 11: well this would be an excellent opportunity to meet a new full-time staff member. Morgana, hello.

[1:37:38] Voice 11: Hi,

[1:37:39] Voice 1: everybody. Thanks for having me. So the annual reports were created for each LTC following a template that has been in use for some time before my time, and it's been approved by councils in the past.

[1:38:00] Voice 1: And basically, each LTC is approving their article or their annual report submission, and that saves a lot of time later on instead of having everyone spend a lot of time approving various LTC reports.

[1:38:25] Voice 1: It sort of simplifies the process this way.

[1:38:31] Voice 11: wonderful thank you and welcome to the island's trust and very i've heard very good things about

[1:38:39] Voice 11: your work and we're very pleased that you're sticking around with us um are there any

[1:38:45] Voice 11: comments or visions that we might suggest or can we approve this as presented

[1:38:54] Voice 11: you know what we can just read it out it's very fast the luskete island local trust committee

[1:39:02] Voice 11: held five regular business meetings in the 2022-23 fiscal year lcd ltc worked on key projects

[1:39:09] Voice 11: including the continuation of a comprehensive official community plan review which was

[1:39:14] Voice 11: initiated in 2018 and amending the meeting procedures bylaw work for this period also

[1:39:20] Voice 11: focused on advancing the luskete ltc priorities including building positive relationships with

[1:39:25] Voice 11: sent off first nation from april 1st 2022 to march 31st 2023 the luskin ltc did not receive

[1:39:33] Voice 11: any applications anything

[1:39:36] Voice 10: that's missing no

[1:39:39] Voice 13: i think that's no

[1:39:42] Voice 10: very straightforward

[1:39:47] Voice 11: excellent we have a recommended uh resolution here um anybody want to read that out

[1:39:56] Voice 11: I

[1:39:58] Voice 15: move that the Osceola Island Local Trust Committee approves the attached text for inclusion in the 2022-23 PANO report for approval by Trust Council and submission to the Minister of Municipal Affairs.

[1:40:11] Voice 13: Do

[1:40:16] Voice 11: I have a seconder?

[1:40:17] Voice 11: I second.

[1:40:19] Voice 11: Thank you, Trustee Leroni. Any further discussion? All those in favour?

[1:40:25] Voice 9: Aye.

[1:40:25] Voice 11: That is carried. Thank you.

[1:40:27] Voice 11: you and finally we have electoral area directors report not seeing anybody else

[1:40:37] Voice 11: online but let me just I'm not sure if I can see who's in the meeting room I

[1:40:53] Voice 11: don't know if we've got these

[1:40:55] Voice 14: this is

[1:40:57] Voice 11: the participants list is there anybody

[1:41:01] Voice 11: Does anybody enable waiting room?

[1:41:04] Voice 11: It's not, it might not be.

[1:41:19] Voice 11: So I'm working from a web browser and I'm not sure.

[1:41:24] Voice 13: Maybe if we just ask Will if he had an input.

[1:41:34] Voice 11: We're going to come back to this.

[1:41:35] Voice 11: Let me email.

[1:41:37] Voice 11: Would you take over as we go through the work program?

[1:41:41] Voice 11: We'll come back to the electoral area directions report.

[1:41:43] Voice 11: I'm just going to email Will.

[1:41:44] Voice 11: Sure.

[1:41:44] Voice 11: can you take us through the last two okay

[1:41:47] Voice 14: the under section 13 on page 43 we have the active

[1:41:55] Voice 14: projects report two items that we have on our list the ocp review and procedures bylaw which

[1:42:15] Voice 14: we just heard from hunter bada

[1:42:18] Voice 15: jerry's staff report we will if it has a surface we will get it

[1:42:24] Voice 15: on page 146 we have our future projects report nothing

[1:42:40] Voice 13: new has happened there and i guess we'll

[1:42:49] Voice 13: just see if we can get direct or follow i don't have a cell phone before i

[1:42:54] Voice 10: don't

[1:42:57] Voice 15: know if he has

[1:42:57] Voice 15: a cell phone he probably has i don't have his number

[1:43:16] Voice 7: why

[1:43:28] Voice 15: don't we take 10 minutes

[1:43:29] Voice 11: okay we get

[1:43:32] Voice 12: it back right if we don't then

[1:43:34] Voice 11: we'll adjourn okay uh let's take a 10 minute recess and we're going

[1:43:39] Voice 11: to reach out to director fall uh normally he's here with his report so it's probably a technology

[1:43:46] Voice 11: issue so we're going to recess until 1 p.m okay okay

[1:55:10] Voice 11: so we're just resuming this meeting in order

[1:55:13] Voice 11: to adjourn but i would like to note uh an earlier question why oh sorry first of all uh director

[1:55:20] Voice 11: Director Fall is not online and I don't think we'll be able to give a report.

[1:55:25] Voice 11: But just before we adjourn, the current meeting procedures by-law,

[1:55:30] Voice 11: thank you to Director Cermak for bringing that to our attention.

[1:55:34] Voice 11: It's really hard to keep track of everything.

[1:55:36] Voice 11: So we do actually have guidance on trustees attending in person or electronically.

[1:55:45] Voice 11: So are there clause 44 of the meeting procedures by law does answer the question that was asked by the member of the community and it states an individual member of the local trust committee may not participate by means of electronic or other communication facilities in two consecutive regular meetings of the local trust committee that are held in person.

[1:56:10] Voice 11: in. So I'm just going to say that was my error. Trustee Leroni asked me if she could attend

[1:56:21] Voice 11: electronically and I haven't read this part of the bylaw and so I said yes I think it's no problem

[1:56:26] Voice 11: so I should have checked. So I apologize that's my error and we'll make sure that that doesn't

[1:56:32] Voice 11: happen again. Now we know. Trustee Leroni that all good with you? Yes she nods yes.

[1:56:41] Voice 9: Yes it is.

[1:56:42] Voice 11: you will have to be on your fair island for these meetings in future okay

[1:56:48] Voice 12: okay is

[1:56:53] Voice 11: there any further business or anything that we haven't uh addressed sufficiently in

[1:57:01] Voice 11: our agenda i don't think so so our next regular meeting is scheduled for wednesday

[1:57:06] Voice 11: july 26 2023 july it seems so far away at 11 a.m at the judah fisher center number one in

[1:57:17] Voice 11: china cloud bay the cd on bc i'd like to propose that it be outside i don't know if it's possible

[1:57:23] Voice 11: to set up on the deck out here and enjoy some nice sunshine i think electronic equipment

[1:57:29] Voice 11: equipment plus extension cords will do just fine so one day i want to be doing a meeting on a

[1:57:37] Voice 11: floating barge home or something

[1:57:40] Voice 15: my only we have had meetings outside here um the only thing i

[1:57:47] Voice 15: would note is that uh we should do it where people can get shade so that

[1:57:55] Voice 15: people are not

[1:57:55] Voice 15: Oh for sure.

[1:57:57] Voice 15: Dyeing in the heat. So what we did last time was we did it on that side of the building

[1:58:01] Voice 10: because

[1:58:03] Voice 15: there was some shade excess in there.

[1:58:06] Voice 11: Excellent. And

[1:58:07] Voice 15: certainly I'm a wilting violet. When it comes

[1:58:12] Voice 15: to hot sunny days I just melt.

[1:58:17] Voice 11: okay so the preservation of trustee peterson's fair skin and

[1:58:23] Voice 15: any members of the public

[1:58:27] Voice 11: try to hold our meeting outside where there is the option for shade and we'll see you there

[1:58:32] Voice 11: trustee laroni thank you everybody for a great meeting and uh please enjoy the rest of your

[1:58:38] Voice 11: beautiful may day have

[1:58:40] Voice 15: a great uh trip uh trustee laroni and safe travels thank you

[1:58:47] Voice 2: Cheers. Bye now. Thank you, Catherine.

[1:58:49] Voice 2: Hello, Chair Elliott. I was hoping to ask Trustee Peterson a question, if that's possible.

[1:58:56] Voice 11: Sure. Should

[1:58:57] Voice 2: I stop the recording, or do we need to clarify this for the minutes?

[1:59:01] Voice 2: Just go ahead. Yeah.

[1:59:03] Voice 2: It doesn't have to do with the minutes. It's to do with the sound.

[1:59:08] Voice 2: Okay. So

[1:59:08] Voice 11: we're going to – I'll just stop the recording then.

[1:59:14] Voice 11: and

[1:59:17] Voice 11: can I start

[1:59:18] Voice 11: thank you my dear

[1:59:20] Voice 11: I'm going to stop the live streaming