Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 11, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 2: a live stream and recording okay i do believe that we're live good morning everyone um both

[0:00:53] Voice 2: our audience uh

[0:00:55] Voice 7: in person here in the lovely art gallery here on capriola island and our audience

[0:01:01] Voice 7: um at home or whatever you might be viewing um today's meeting at the gabriola local trust

[0:01:08] Voice 7: trust committee. My name is Peter Luckham. I'm elected on Thetis Island, and it's a pleasure

[0:01:13] Voice 7: for me to be here today to work with every one of the local trustees. And of course,

[0:01:20] Voice 7: we're here in Stenemo territory predominantly, but of course, it's all Coast Salish territory

[0:01:26] Voice 7: from wherever you are. And my home on Thetis Island, the Laiakse and Ekanalkia territory.

[0:01:32] Voice 7: It's an honor and privilege every day to wake up here and be aware of the history of this

[0:01:38] Voice 7: place, of which there's certainly sadness that we're aware of and grief that we're trying

[0:01:45] Voice 7: to work through and come to understand, but there's also lots of joy and at this time

[0:01:50] Voice 7: of year in the spring with the wildflowers coming up, we've got lots of traditional foods

[0:01:55] Voice 7: and medicinal elements coming up out of the ground and revitalizing our communities in

[0:02:02] Voice 7: so many ways and so really grateful to be here so to my left here I have Susan Yates

[0:02:10] Voice 7: locally elected thank you

[0:02:13] Voice 8: chair and I also wish to acknowledge that I'm very fortunate

[0:02:16] Voice 8: to live in a place that has been home to this the name of First Peoples since time immemorial

[0:02:22] Voice 8: And this particular last few weeks, I've been thinking a lot about what the elders would have been teaching their children, because I've been spending a fair amount of time with children out in the natural environment and wishing that, just wishing that I could somehow go back 200 years and see what it should be looking like.

[0:02:47] Voice 8: i think about that a lot and i i really honor that tradition thank you and

[0:02:55] Voice 8: toby elliot good

[0:02:57] Voice 8: morning sure yes toby here as uh always flying in from a few different projects but uh gosh um i've

[0:03:06] Voice 8: been lucky to travel a little bit going to ladysmith and down to victoria and fetus and

[0:03:13] Voice 8: and south pender and it's just astonishing to me how different and diverse our communities are and

[0:03:20] Voice 8: yet we're all connected through the love of the ecological values that that surround us so it's

[0:03:30] Voice 8: really it's been refreshing to to be around the different islands and to see everybody

[0:03:34] Voice 8: appreciating especially springtime so thankful to be here great

[0:03:39] Voice 7: great to be together and um so

[0:03:42] Voice 7: So on my right-hand side here, we have Rene Jomura, our regional planning manager.

[0:03:47] Voice 7: Thank you for being a support network here.

[0:03:50] Voice 7: And we also have Lisa here doing minutes, thank you very much.

[0:03:55] Voice 7: And we have Tehran, did I get that right, Tehran, Tehran, a co-op student, first time

[0:04:02] Voice 7: with us and really glad that you've joined us and I look forward to working with you

[0:04:07] Voice 7: on the short-term that you'll be with us, I hope it's a good experience for you.

[0:04:12] Voice 7: okay so we have an agenda before us i'd just like to note that um and we're going to have

[0:04:17] Voice 7: switching up the agenda a little bit we're going to hear from the electoral area director

[0:04:21] Voice 7: vanessa um craig um first um as she has some other commitments that need to get to this one

[0:04:28] Voice 7: um but i just do want to note that in terms of the agenda we did get a late um email of a full report

[0:04:35] Voice 7: in addition to the letter that's on our agenda package from the regional district and i know

[0:04:40] Voice 7: there comes some staff um and and i'm just going to go to um to vanessa in a moment to provide her

[0:04:48] Voice 7: report um so i'll just ask if there's anything else to add or remove from the agenda today

[0:04:53] Voice 7: no no no okay so then i'm going to adopt the agenda um as amended um including uh vanessa's

[0:05:01] Voice 7: report and uh vanessa craig regional director nanaimo overview through your report thank you

[0:05:06] Voice 7: for joining us today thank

[0:05:08] Voice 9: you chair luckman trustees thank you for accommodating maybe uh

[0:05:13] Voice 9: my last minute change and then the ferry schedule is uh mixing me up a little bit today uh i did

[0:05:19] Voice 9: send in a late written report apologies for the lateness and uh i don't know

[0:05:26] Voice 9: if you had any

[0:05:26] Voice 9: specific questions about it or if you had um had any had a chance to look through it uh so just to

[0:05:35] Voice 9: to not take up too much of your time.

[0:05:38] Voice 9: I'll assume that you had a chance to look through it

[0:05:40] Voice 9: and then I can answer any questions that you might have.

[0:05:43] Voice 7: All right, thank you, Vanessa.

[0:05:45] Voice 7: Are there any questions?

[0:05:47] Voice 8: No, but very grateful to have received your report.

[0:05:50] Voice 8: Thank you, Vanessa.

[0:05:52] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:05:53] Voice 7: And so there you are.

[0:05:54] Voice 7: So Vanessa, it was really nice to see you at AEIPC

[0:05:57] Voice 7: where we could have had

[0:05:58] Voice 7: a tiny little microscopic conversation about housing

[0:06:01] Voice 7: and I'm hoping you've had a chance

[0:06:02] Voice 7: to look at our agenda today

[0:06:04] Voice 7: day and certainly that whole funding opportunity was on our list here and certainly is something

[0:06:11] Voice 7: as we move forward on housing in any form of factoring list opportunity for conversations

[0:06:17] Voice 7: with you in the regional district in the roles there are several roles that we play so thank you

[0:06:22] Voice 7: and

[0:06:23] Voice 9: that's certainly I would say an important topic that we are having more at the regional

[0:06:30] Voice 9: district too so I look forward to these continued conversations and and hopefully some opportunities

[0:06:36] Voice 7: absolutely okay

[0:06:38] Voice 8: I do have a question uh

[0:06:40] Voice 7: Toby does have a question I'm

[0:06:41] Voice 8: just missing um the

[0:06:43] Voice 8: appointment oh that is there of the Gabriel and Recreation Electoral Area Parks and Trails Master

[0:06:51] Voice 8: Plan if you've got a letter you've been there good

[0:06:53] Voice 7: just okay thanks so um perhaps that well

[0:06:58] Voice 7: well because this is part of the electoral area director's report let's also proceed for

[0:07:03] Voice 7: information this um report here uh or request for uh a representative from the lpc and um

[0:07:12] Voice 7: for me the simplest thing to do is ask which one of you is interested in um taking on this

[0:07:18] Voice 7: additional responsibility with the burdens you already have or the joys that you already have

[0:07:24] Voice 7: So, uh, I

[0:07:26] Voice 8: don't pay for scissors.

[0:07:27] Voice 8: I'm okay doing that because Toby already has a much heavier load.

[0:07:31] Voice 7: But

[0:07:31] Voice 8: you're also doing the beast, the fairies advisory.

[0:07:34] Voice 8: Yeah. So if you would like to do it, I'm okay.

[0:07:39] Voice 8: I am interested in being involved in a parks master plan.

[0:07:43] Voice 8: I've been considering that and sort of

[0:07:49] Voice 8: um, but yeah, what do you think? I think the

[0:07:52] Voice 8: meetings are before it's

[0:07:55] Voice 7: all lifted i know

[0:07:56] Voice 7: i'm going to just say the first one of you to make

[0:08:00] Voice 7: some motion i'll second it i

[0:08:02] Voice 8: swore that i would

[0:08:03] Voice 8: not do any more committees well you

[0:08:06] Voice 7: need to be

[0:08:07] Voice 2: conscious of that but

[0:08:08] Voice 8: um and in yeah and i'm conscious of sort of yeah i'm getting drawn

[0:08:12] Voice 8: into the cowichan valley sort of housing regional committees as well so i mean

[0:08:19] Voice 8: but local parks is definitely an area i don't know

[0:08:25] Voice 8: and you

[0:08:27] Voice 8: can always swap

[0:08:31] Voice 7: out if you

[0:08:32] Voice 8: can be my alternate toby i

[0:08:34] Voice 8: that the gibraltar local trust area nominates susan yay trustee aids to serve on the parks

[0:08:44] Voice 8: so trails recreation master plan rdn committee great

[0:08:50] Voice 7: and i assume renee that we're following

[0:08:52] Voice 7: okay so then i'll second that motion and uh i think and will you accept the motion yes i will

[0:08:59] Voice 7: thank you all right thank you so then i'll just uh call those okay that carries thank you there you

[0:09:05] Voice 7: go thank you

[0:09:07] Voice 9: susan thanks and the meetings will be open to the public plus there'll be

[0:09:12] Voice 9: a series of public engagement sessions so this isn't going to be the the one opportunity to

[0:09:18] Voice 9: provide input where i'm hoping to have a really comprehensive public engagement and and um so

[0:09:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): there'll be

[0:09:25] Voice 9: hopefully many touch points and ability to provide input so thanks uh i look

[0:09:31] Voice 9: forward to your participation susan and as as was indicated you could swap out if you can't make a

[0:09:37] Voice 9: Yeah, just

[0:09:38] Voice 8: on that, the RDN Parks Master Plan, I love the RDN Parks maps that are provided by the RDN.

[0:09:46] Voice 8: I use them all the time. I use them to go to Cedar, to the NIMO, to the Colour Me Down.

[0:09:52] Voice 8: So I'm really appreciative of their work in that regard.

[0:09:56] Voice 9: I'll provide that positive feedback to staff. It's always good to hear.

[0:10:00] Voice 8: Thank you. And I'm talking about paper maps here.

[0:10:05] Voice 6: Well, you can always print

[0:10:07] Voice 7: out PDFs.

[0:10:08] Voice 8: Some people can.

[0:10:11] Voice 7: Okay, so thank you for stepping up, Gudrun.

[0:10:15] Voice 7: So I'm going to go to our trustees' reports now, and who would like to start us off today?

[0:10:23] Voice 8: I'll be 12.

[0:10:24] Voice 8: You want to be 12?

[0:10:25] Voice 7: Is that your phone, Peter?

[0:10:26] Voice 2: I don't think it's mine.

[0:10:33] Voice 8: well um yeah i like being piped in with a little uh music camera

[0:10:44] Voice 8: i can i can start us off i'm gonna try to keep it short but um april was a really

[0:10:52] Voice 8: heavy month and i'm still digesting a lot of what i learned so i did submit um

[0:10:58] Voice 8: this morning, and hopefully it can be included in the minutes, a report from my time at UBCM's

[0:11:07] Voice 8: Housing Summit, April 4th to 6th in Vancouver, to the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal

[0:11:15] Voice 8: Communities, which followed on April 14th to 16th, and then the Rural Island Economic Partnership

[0:11:23] Voice 8: Forum, which happened here on Gabriola, April 25th to 27th. And there was lots of different

[0:11:31] Voice 8: themes, but of course, starting with the Housing Summit, on my first page, I'm just going to share

[0:11:38] Voice 8: a few takeaways. Marianne Alto, the Mayor of the City of Victoria said, we need a complete

[0:11:45] Voice 8: reimagination of who we are building homes for. We are building for people, not cars.

[0:11:53] Voice 8: um then the mp terry beach who's for burnaby north seymour and he's the parliamentary secretary

[0:12:01] Voice 8: to the deputy pm so he made an address uh first and he said this is a window of opportunity

[0:12:07] Voice 8: speaking of the ndp's homes for people um where the feds bc and local governments are aligned

[0:12:14] Voice 8: on solving this problem the good thing about living in a federated structure is every community

[0:12:19] Voice 8: can trial out different approaches and we see what works.

[0:12:23] Voice 8: And I thought that was really interesting

[0:12:24] Voice 8: because, of course, the Ounce Trust is a federated structure.

[0:12:27] Voice 8: And so we're learning to work together and to have a regional approach.

[0:12:32] Voice 8: And so as different LTCs try different approaches,

[0:12:36] Voice 8: I can really see these are coming together to knit into a structure

[0:12:41] Voice 8: that we're going to be able to leverage for local communities.

[0:12:45] Voice 8: um there was a lot of conversation on reviewing the local government uh the local government act

[0:12:54] Voice 8: and the finance system um zoning and taxation system was designed so long ago needs to be

[0:13:00] Voice 8: revamped rural and remote communities um are struggling because they don't have the benefits

[0:13:07] Voice 8: a lot of the enabling legislations or the right tools in the right places a lot of the conversation

[0:13:12] Voice 8: conversation on the second day I think was about how rural communities struggle and feel left out

[0:13:20] Voice 8: of these big housing plans because some of them have you know they're a mayor and one staff for

[0:13:26] Voice 8: instance and they don't even have somebody to fill in an application for some of these big funds and

[0:13:32] Voice 8: so there was a lot of discussion about housing challenges and opportunities so that's all in my

[0:13:39] Voice 8: report i've got a lot of quotes in there one thing i would i would just say that as we think about

[0:13:49] Voice 8: the housing landscape in bc no matter what happens here we're going to be experiencing pressures from

[0:13:56] Voice 8: the province and then from the decisions that the feds make so there was a point made by the board

[0:14:02] Voice 8: of trade uh president that we're going to have one million jobs from immigration coming in for

[0:14:10] Voice 8: over the next 10 years and those people will need housing and so the conversation is not just about

[0:14:16] Voice 8: our community but as canada receives more immigrants those people move into urban areas

[0:14:22] Voice 8: and folks in the urban areas move out to the rural areas and regional districts that pressure

[0:14:27] Voice 8: pressure needs to be addressed somehow people need somewhere to live and so it's not just about

[0:14:34] Voice 8: housing our folks but folks who won't be moving here from the urban areas so how do we address

[0:14:40] Voice 8: that um i think i've covered the association of vancouver island coastal communities or maybe i

[0:14:47] Voice 8: can let you run through that there's a oh yeah i'm sitting on the steering committee of the

[0:14:53] Voice 8: the Vancouver Island and Coastal Communities Climate Leadership Steering Committee.

[0:15:01] Voice 8: So this was the first, they had a panel discussion at AVICC,

[0:15:04] Voice 8: and this was the first chance that I had to hear about this committee.

[0:15:09] Voice 8: And they partnered with the Community Energy Association, which has 40 staff.

[0:15:15] Voice 8: It's quite a large organization.

[0:15:18] Voice 8: And in this discussion, they noted that the Regional District of Nanaimo is ahead

[0:15:23] Voice 8: head of many other regional districts in coastal flood hazard mapping and so we had some discussion

[0:15:30] Voice 8: about the vulnerabilities of our coastal communities to the effects of climate change

[0:15:35] Voice 8: and how all of our services are going to be impacted by climate change so this steering

[0:15:41] Voice 8: committee is really wanting to take the lead on a secretariat role to bring all the stakeholders

[0:15:49] Voice 8: holders together so that we can create regional uh plans for everybody um and then the rural

[0:15:56] Voice 8: island economic partnership forum was an unconference you attended some of that it was

[0:16:01] Voice 8: super fun four other three other trustees attended laura patrick from south spring island judy getty

[0:16:08] Voice 8: from bowen and um susan yates myself the really there was a great panel on housing lessons from

[0:16:17] Voice 8: a rural islands perspective moderated by laura patrick nancy heather and tim pierce was on it

[0:16:23] Voice 8: um simon palmer from denman and justine stark who was our previously a planner with the honest trust

[0:16:30] Voice 8: and the key message yeah there's some key messages and takeaways in there but i'd say the main

[0:16:37] Voice 8: point was to have a supportive to support secondary housing market and to have a

[0:16:43] Voice 8: holistic economic lens zoning building permitting and financing need to work lots more but everything

[0:16:51] Voice 8: came back to housing um somebody else remarked that um when they were talking about food security

[0:16:58] Voice 8: and resiliency that many young young farmers are moving to the gulf islands they're attracted here

[0:17:04] Voice 8: but the barrier is again housing and so it doesn't matter if we're talking climate change

[0:17:10] Voice 8: or we're talking farming uh it sort of came back to where are we going to house people hi so

[0:17:17] Voice 8: and then finally regional there's so many other things i've been going to i'm going to stop it

[0:17:22] Voice 8: there lots of other action i'm very excited about the work that the regional planning committee

[0:17:27] Voice 8: is doing but uh come and talk to me about that because i don't want to bore you thank you thank

[0:17:36] Voice 8: you to

[0:17:36] Voice 8: me i'm glad you're on the regional planning committee um and i can ask you about regional

[0:17:41] Voice 8: planning stuff like i just did a little while ago thank you so yeah april was a crazy busy month uh

[0:17:47] Voice 8: tommy and i both attended the earth day celebration on the friday and the 21st um and it's held on the

[0:17:54] Voice 8: friday so that the school children can join us and that was super fun we really were breathing

[0:18:00] Voice 8: it was really cold and we're trying to prevent the island's just conservancy uh poster thing from

[0:18:05] Voice 8: blown over we have several rollers on that one but the kids were the kids were fun the kids

[0:18:11] Voice 8: loved the little buttons that we had and some of the little pamphlets yeah um so that was nice

[0:18:17] Voice 8: that's the first time that the other was trust conservancy has been a part of birthday so i

[0:18:22] Voice 8: think we'll make that a habit um nice to do some fun things um i have had a lot of a lot of emails

[0:18:31] Voice 8: else this last month uh concerning bylaw and contractions seems to be like a real rash of them

[0:18:38] Voice 8: over this last few weeks yeah anyway but you know that's not my department i just receive them and

[0:18:43] Voice 8: look at them and feel slightly worried

[0:18:46] Voice 10: um

[0:18:47] Voice 8: some consternation well on my part a lot of

[0:18:51] Voice 8: questionation about the tree cutting at elder cedar nature reserve i found it actually very

[0:18:58] Voice 8: upsetting so we'll talk about that a bit later um under the honest trust conservancy report

[0:19:04] Voice 8: i i also attended the economic partnership forum and the sessions that i attended were

[0:19:10] Voice 8: on the circular economy and i love that topic because for me having supporting local and having

[0:19:18] Voice 8: supply and demand kind of match each other so beautifully there was some really really

[0:19:27] Voice 8: really positive stories in that session on how businesses can be local you know and they they

[0:19:35] Voice 8: can they can operate with really high social and environmental ethics and still be successful so

[0:19:43] Voice 8: I love hearing about stuff like that I was also billeting um the Anne Erickson from Cetus Island

[0:19:49] Voice 8: for that forum so we had a chance to talk a bit too um the other two things I wanted to mention

[0:19:56] Voice 8: is that I was on Salt Spring Island last weekend for two things.

[0:20:00] Voice 8: One of them was the Electrify Salt Spring Forum

[0:20:03] Voice 8: to celebrate 10 years of clean energy work on their island.

[0:20:08] Voice 8: But the exciting session that I attended on Saturday afternoon

[0:20:12] Voice 8: was on the electrification of public transportation.

[0:20:17] Voice 8: And I couldn't believe how interesting this was.

[0:20:21] Voice 8: There were four speakers.

[0:20:22] Voice 8: one from one was the bc ferries electric project engineer he was super hot just he was on it if

[0:20:31] Voice 8: you could give him the money to electrify bc ferries and get that infrastructure in he would

[0:20:36] Voice 8: do it um of course he's held back by all sorts of other things um another fellow lots and lots

[0:20:43] Voice 8: of energy was warren boyle with bc transit he's the head of the low carbon fleet infrastructure

[0:20:49] Voice 8: structure again all of the ideas and the energy uh he had was like give this guy the money and

[0:20:56] Voice 8: bc transit would be electrified and then the other two speakers were both from harbor air

[0:21:02] Voice 8: and they were so fun because we also got to go down to the ganges dock and look at the 70 year

[0:21:10] Voice 8: old remodeled beaver that is now electric

[0:21:13] Voice 8: and it's bright kind of dirty green and so far you know

[0:21:19] Voice 8: they keep working on it they do a lot of research and development at harvard air they're not

[0:21:23] Voice 8: constrained by you know government policy they get a little bit of government funding not much

[0:21:29] Voice 8: apparently the province is pretty good at supporting the development of electrical

[0:21:35] Voice 8: infrastructure but the beds

[0:21:37] Voice 8: are way way way behind on that and that i we heard that from

[0:21:42] Voice 8: from all from BC Ferries, from BC Transit, and from Harbor Air.

[0:21:47] Voice 8: Biggest challenge in BC is the lack of charging infrastructure.

[0:21:52] Voice 8: And part of the problem with that is that BC Hydro does not seem to have a strategic plan

[0:21:57] Voice 8: to develop all of the needed charging infrastructure for mass transit, including ferries.

[0:22:05] Voice 8: then I learned that Corvus Energy is a BC company leading battery innovator and

[0:22:13] Voice 8: and their their work is regarded as top of the line all over the world so that was kind of exciting

[0:22:23] Voice 8: and yeah I wrote a lot of notes on this because it was very interesting to me mostly

[0:22:30] Voice 8: mostly um two things infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure it's not it's not the research and

[0:22:39] Voice 8: development into the actual vehicles that's going ahead just fine um i also learned that

[0:22:46] Voice 8: harvard air is never going to get rid of their 70 year old beavers and otters and twin otters

[0:22:53] Voice 8: they're just going to keep making them better making them lighter making them better like they

[0:22:58] Voice 8: have apparently the best design ever for a solid little airplane just pretty cool um they're not

[0:23:05] Voice 8: constrained either by government policy so they can do a lot of research and development on their

[0:23:10] Voice 8: own 80 of the fuel energy is lost in thermal runaway and anybody who works with batteries

[0:23:18] Voice 8: knows that it's if you're trying to supercharge say you want to supercharge one of our ferries

[0:23:24] Voice 8: so instead of you know slow charging them over 12 hours you want to charge them in three hours

[0:23:28] Voice 8: then the the problem is it they that creates fires like they catch on fire so they're working

[0:23:36] Voice 8: on that um also a lot of energy is lost in in that dissipating heat

[0:23:41] Voice 10: anyway

[0:23:42] Voice 8: it was very exciting

[0:23:44] Voice 8: and honestly the best thing out of that whole forum was that these companies want to do this

[0:23:52] Voice 8: um they really want to have clean energy running our transit systems so i felt pretty good about

[0:23:57] Voice 8: that and oh the last thing i went to was also on salt spring island um i was part of a very small

[0:24:05] Voice 8: group of people who were going over the andreas point nature reserve on salt spring and it's a

[0:24:12] Voice 8: very special place that has been um carefully attended by conservancy people and one of the

[0:24:19] Voice 8: the unusual things that they do well not unusual but different than what we do here is they have

[0:24:24] Voice 8: specific areas that they have cordoned off from deer browsing and so

[0:24:29] Voice 8: to see the difference so

[0:24:31] Voice 8: they've been doing this for 10 years to see the difference between um the areas that have been

[0:24:37] Voice 8: protected so these would be areas with a couple of gary oaks lots of spring metal flowers coming up

[0:24:44] Voice 10: and

[0:24:45] Voice 8: those flowers come up to their normal height like two feet instead of

[0:24:49] Voice 8: teeny teeny teeny

[0:24:50] Voice 8: weeny little round flowers that escape the deer and it's just extraordinary to see what can come

[0:24:57] Voice 8: up after 10 years um even those bulbs have been lying on the ground for that long but when they've

[0:25:05] Voice 8: protected from the deer they they come up and they're just so beautiful there's a

[0:25:10] Voice 8: profusion

[0:25:11] Voice 8: and all like a dozen different kinds of spring flowers and all the shrubs so the salmon berry and

[0:25:19] Voice 8: the zacatin berry and orange spray just absolutely beautiful where here we just see them groused

[0:25:27] Voice 8: into weird little bonsai so that that was very educational and a snake a garter snake

[0:25:34] Voice 8: snake hibernation which made my bird extremely happy so the snakes were just coming out of

[0:25:40] Voice 8: hibernation and there was a large mass of them they were like in a mating ball and it was like

[0:25:46] Voice 8: oh okay the garter snakes are coming to life and everything seemed very good I'll end on that

[0:25:52] Voice 8: thank

[0:25:54] Voice 7: you Susan so from the chair's perspective not come up sure very little local activity other

[0:26:02] Voice 7: been interacting with your trustees on various issues um i also attended the absc event and um

[0:26:10] Voice 7: thank you for that uh full report there the only thing i'll add that it would be of interest to

[0:26:16] Voice 7: gabriel again gabriel islanders is um i attended a sustainable food supply workshop that was

[0:26:27] Voice 7: ostensibly uh presented by the captain valley regional district and i'm sure that in the

[0:26:32] Voice 7: original district and even on the island here there's lots of that food security work going on

[0:26:38] Voice 7: and it's really it's quite phenomenal the amount of food and the amount of number of people and

[0:26:45] Voice 7: that is supported in the number of people that are contributing to that work and so would encourage

[0:26:51] Voice 7: I encourage you to find out about the Cowichan Ballet Regional Districts Areas Proof Security Program.

[0:26:57] Voice 7: It's really exciting. They bought the old Phoenix Hotel years ago and it

[0:27:01] Voice 7: completely turned it into this hub of good and well-being.

[0:27:07] Voice 7: And it's amazing actually. So I'll just add that on that ABSCC note, the Association of Anchorage Island Coastal Communities.

[0:27:14] Voice 7: They're our family actually. They're all coastal people and it's a great organization to be involved with.

[0:27:19] Voice 7: um of course i'm involved in various committees and at the executive committee advancing the

[0:27:27] Voice 7: administrative aspects of the animal trust and that's going well we adopted a budget uh back

[0:27:33] Voice 7: in our last council meeting uh it would be at the end of uh may no sort of the end of march and um

[0:27:43] Voice 7: we're now moving towards preparing for the june trust council um it's a very cyclical thing

[0:27:50] Voice 7: The only other things that maybe note is I did attend a species and environment at risk.

[0:27:57] Voice 7: The local government working group hosted by the province and just kind of getting an update on what's going on.

[0:28:02] Voice 7: I always try to keep an ear on those kinds of things.

[0:28:06] Voice 7: And there's lots of great activities going on, trying to protect species at risk.

[0:28:12] Voice 7: on monday this week ties into climate change so i've stopped the work and the flood mapping

[0:28:20] Voice 7: and then i'm over here that you mentioned um i also sat on what's called the first

[0:28:25] Voice 7: one of this season now it's the mayors and chairs reporting out from the province on

[0:28:31] Voice 7: uh emergency services ostensibly which these days is inextricably linked to climate change

[0:28:40] Voice 7: because the topics are flooding, wildfire, and drought.

[0:28:49] Voice 7: And so there's news, and of course the province is reacting in its way that it does,

[0:28:54] Voice 7: and acknowledge that they are learning from recent experiences

[0:29:00] Voice 7: to escalate that flood mapping and understanding flooding.

[0:29:06] Voice 7: Of course, we've seen that up in the interior already this year,

[0:29:10] Voice 7: year and last year in Abbotsford and so there's new tools and mechanisms and planning that's

[0:29:15] Voice 7: going resources to go into mitigate and then support people that are impacted um and then

[0:29:25] Voice 7: wildfire season is coming up I'm deputy chief on my fire department so that's an important

[0:29:31] Voice 7: topic that I follow anyway and then of course the new thing is drug with the heat dome last

[0:29:37] Voice 7: year that's stimulated a whole another mechanism of not only being cognizant that that potential

[0:29:44] Voice 7: exists but providing the opportunity for water and water resources to communities that end up needing

[0:29:50] Voice 7: it because of the conditions and

[0:29:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): then i'll just end on

[0:29:55] Voice 7: noting just for information that despite

[0:30:00] Voice 7: fact that it seems moist and it seems like spring is kind of coming a little late and we're enjoying

[0:30:05] Voice 7: this little moment of humidity beautiful weather right now but indeed this weekend we're going to

[0:30:10] Voice 7: come up on 30 degrees apparently that's predictions but just as a bit of background we are as we're

[0:30:18] Voice 7: coming into the wildfire season for this year and then potentially into that drought cycle we are

[0:30:24] Voice 7: still not recovered we're still suffering from the drought that went all the way into october

[0:30:31] Voice 7: last year so that cycle and that opportunity to recover through the fall um has not set us up well

[0:30:38] Voice 7: through this year so just be conscious and aware of that make sure that you've got the water you

[0:30:43] Voice 7: need at home and you've got measures to ensure your own personal safety and your family safety

[0:30:47] Voice 7: and, of course, always being conscious of the community.

[0:30:52] Voice 7: And now we have a special meeting on the 28th

[0:30:55] Voice 7: to discuss advancing the First Nations consultant engagement

[0:31:01] Voice 7: as well as the housing piece,

[0:31:03] Voice 7: and that was important to get that moving,

[0:31:06] Voice 7: and now we're here today.

[0:31:07] Voice 7: And I'm grateful to work with the local trustees

[0:31:12] Voice 7: and come together with all of Ireland.

[0:31:13] Voice 7: It's wonderful.

[0:31:14] Voice 7: wonderful and i'll just note that i see there is a chocolate planner has joined us online i see

[0:31:20] Voice 7: sounds of the neck of the audience and it's really great to see both of you joining us today helping

[0:31:24] Voice 7: us out um so that's it for reporting uh first nations reports is a standing item our agenda

[0:31:31] Voice 7: i don't believe we have anything represented today and um peter i just had a quick comment

[0:31:37] Voice 8: a positive one on you're talking about the couch and valley food uh security group i actually have

[0:31:43] Voice 8: connections with them just informally but um in this last year our local our gabriola aggie co-op

[0:31:51] Voice 8: has really revived itself and has had lots of new energy put into it and they too are working on

[0:31:59] Voice 8: local food security for gabriola and i'm really excited about that they were kind of in a band

[0:32:05] Voice 8: great

[0:32:06] Voice 7: that's good we actually got a grant you know there seems to be lots of provincial money

[0:32:10] Voice 7: and um

[0:32:11] Voice 7: it's just interesting yeah we have a graph of these we're already from jolly farms

[0:32:17] Voice 7: so yeah yeah thanks

[0:32:19] Voice 7: um so there is ongoing conversation and work that we're doing

[0:32:26] Voice 7: with the nation um um news um that they have certainly interest in um gabriel island and

[0:32:37] Voice 7: that work is ongoing so we might hear some stuff from there in the future on this uh on 3.2 agenda

[0:32:43] Voice 7: item so that's it more than enough talking from us um the public comment now is your opportunity

[0:32:49] Voice 7: to talk to us and i like to think that uh what you're going to bring to us is uh want to talk

[0:32:54] Voice 7: about work that's on our agenda today applications and the like that's on our agenda or correspondence

[0:32:59] Voice 7: is on our agenda if you have some additional comments with respect to those um work that is

[0:33:04] Voice 7: in flow of the island's trust it may not be on today's agenda but might be coming to us in a

[0:33:09] Voice 7: future agenda and then of course other issues that you think is important to raise for us that

[0:33:14] Voice 7: ostensibly is within the jurisdiction or ability of the island's trust to do something

[0:33:18] Voice 7: so i just ask you um i want to acknowledge past uh trustee doug fann sitting back there i'd love

[0:33:25] Voice 7: to see you coming to the meetings thank you for your ongoing dedication you know um and i

[0:33:31] Voice 7: apologize if i'm not recognizing somebody else that i should know about learning

[0:33:34] Voice 2: it's a lifelong

[0:33:37] Voice 7: um so anybody wish to address the local trust committee today and something on the front row

[0:33:44] Voice 7: there go ahead your name for the record yeah

[0:33:46] Voice 9: i'm nancy heatherington pierce and i i just have two

[0:33:50] Voice 9: separate things if that's okay yeah um so the first

[0:33:53] Voice 8: one is to do with the agenda item number

[0:33:56] Voice 8: 12.9 the um housing accelerator fund yeah and so um just to reiterate on on monday civil prey and i

[0:34:05] Voice 8: sent you an email letter that i um assumed you read and so i'm just wondering uh uh if you have

[0:34:14] Voice 8: any questions about about what we wrote okay to uh ask you to support the first recommendation and

[0:34:22] Voice 8: to not support the second recommendation and instead to choose option number two so great

[0:34:28] Voice 7: um

[0:34:28] Voice 8: well we

[0:34:30] Voice 7: appreciate your feedback to help us with that decision making trustees do you have any

[0:34:34] Voice 7: immediate response or do you want to speak to it when we get to that agenda item

[0:34:38] Voice 7: i'll

[0:34:38] Voice 8: probably speak to it when we get to that agenda item um but thank you for that very

[0:34:43] Voice 8: thoughtful thank you welcome so um i do have a question um you're wording we don't want to see

[0:34:50] Voice 8: changes to the OCP driven by choices made for an HAF application that would be in advance of

[0:34:59] Voice 8: ample community discussions so is your is your objection to applying for the HAF application

[0:35:11] Voice 8: really based on the fact that there's too little time for community discussion

[0:35:17] Voice 8: discussion on OCP changes or on applying to the fund? Because that sort of put the two together.

[0:35:25] Voice 8: We could have added a phrase at the end saying in advance of ample community discussions for

[0:35:31] Voice 8: the OCP review. So I'm sorry that we just set that up. So thank you for that. If those two

[0:35:39] Voice 8: issues were separate, the OCP review, we're referring to the OCP review, the OCP comprehensive

[0:35:45] Voice 8: comprehensive review in and so we can be intentionally said ample community discussion. So it's a matter of sort of principle level comment that we want to see ample community discussions involved in the OCP review over the extent of the length of time it will take. And instead the having to if we did this application to the housing accelerator

[0:36:14] Voice 8: fund, it would mean putting in choices for actions, which would include policy changes,

[0:36:22] Voice 8: which would, I'm assuming, include policy changes, and therefore making those quickly

[0:36:29] Voice 8: because of the timeframe for this application.

[0:36:33] Voice 8: So would you object if there were no policy changes as a result of the application to

[0:36:40] Voice 8: the fund?

[0:36:40] Voice 8: um i'm not sure but i also we have a second and third and fourth points and reasons for our

[0:36:51] Voice 8: um uh asking you to accept the recommendation not to proceed i don't think it's i don't think

[0:36:59] Voice 8: um it's helpful to speculate on that your first request i'm just trying to get at whether your

[0:37:07] Voice 8: objections are about policy changes but if there are no policy changes or do you still have

[0:37:15] Voice 8: objections to applying to this fund on principle on the same principle or if it's just because

[0:37:20] Voice 8: there wouldn't be enough time for community engagement on policy changes um i would say that

[0:37:26] Voice 8: uh first of all i can't imagine there would not be any policy changes in that action plan

[0:37:34] Voice 8: but secondly um we have three other reasons why we don't think it's reasonable to um

[0:37:40] Voice 8: uh to to go ahead with it yeah

[0:37:46] Voice 2: um

[0:37:47] Voice 8: and my other that'll give that one and then my other completely

[0:37:51] Voice 8: separate one is the agenda item about wendy shaw letter i don't i just don't have the number in

[0:37:58] Voice 8: hand but i'd like to say in the correspondence under correspondence yeah section 10. yeah so

[0:38:04] Voice 8: i'd like to say to gabriel the resident that i wholeheartedly support her request um to dismiss

[0:38:13] Voice 8: the uh uh bylaw is this complaint or that the bylaw dismissed the situation that she's in

[0:38:23] Voice 8: of having completed this bylaw

[0:38:25] Voice 8: in fact you notice

[0:38:27] Voice 8: some things

[0:38:28] Voice 8: okay thank you

[0:38:31] Voice 7: any questions for that

[0:38:33] Voice 7: thank you

[0:38:33] Voice 8: if

[0:38:34] Voice 7: you don't mind I'm going to ask you a question

[0:38:37] Voice 7: because I'm a bit

[0:38:39] Voice 7: perplexed by that situation

[0:38:41] Voice 7: and it's complicated for us to

[0:38:43] Voice 7: determine what to do but not having

[0:38:45] Voice 7: a lot of any or very little

[0:38:47] Voice 7: local background

[0:38:48] Voice 7: I can see from the

[0:38:52] Voice 7: photographs of those rocks

[0:38:54] Voice 7: that are all along that shoreline have been there for some time and it's not clear to me how long

[0:39:00] Voice 7: they have been there is that something that is known by long-term residents um

[0:39:06] Voice 8: yes it would be

[0:39:07] Voice 8: known and maybe nick can speak to that after i guess my concern is that she was dealing with

[0:39:15] Voice 9: one complaint of a bylaw infraction i understand her letter and and she's dealt with that and then

[0:39:21] Voice 8: the bylaws to raise the other one yeah which seems to me to be a very um um it doesn't make any sense

[0:39:28] Voice 8: to me but so but yeah that's good but i

[0:39:32] Voice 8: think nick joe here would answer your question far better

[0:39:35] Voice 8: than i can so yeah

[0:39:36] Voice 7: sure um well i i live on my name is the girl i'm on alvarano when i'm at the

[0:39:43] Voice 7: the opposite end of Lundy Shores property, the very east end,

[0:39:47] Voice 4: and we put in rocks, too,

[0:39:50] Voice 4: for the, to, well, I talk about the protection

[0:39:56] Voice 7: that we needed there about 15 years ago, 15

[0:40:00] Voice 7: years ago, but that was just us, that other neighbor

[0:40:04] Voice 7: to put them in earlier.

[0:40:05] Voice 4: We acquired the property in 1990.

[0:40:08] Voice 4: to you about that i'm

[0:40:10] Voice 8: guessing these rocks were there probably um 30 40 years ago but i'm sure

[0:40:15] Voice 8: that i'm sure wendy's off and speak to that yeah oh

[0:40:18] Voice 7: so are you wendy in the background there okay

[0:40:20] Voice 7: well maybe then i'll just address that when we get to the course yeah but um you know there are

[0:40:26] Voice 7: concerns um but i'm also concerned about the concerns that have been expressed thank you

[0:40:33] Voice 7: okay so um is there anybody else on some other topic at all

[0:40:37] Voice 7: bunch of hands up here so um oh so let me go back to this two very brief items uh one is not on the

[0:40:44] Voice 7: agenda but i'm interested very much in this environmental uh zoning protection something

[0:40:50] Voice 7: issue and uh what we locally sometimes call the p4 um but i see it's not on the agenda now but

[0:40:59] Voice 7: that have written about that but on the Wendy Shaw application, the thing I am fully in support

[0:41:09] Voice 7: of all three letters that we've got absolutely and what I think is a little bit missing from

[0:41:15] Voice 7: those letters is the fact that the protection is there not just to stop the erosion which is

[0:41:21] Voice 7: the mud it's mud rock and with consolidated till above it but it's a very important archaeological

[0:41:28] Voice 7: geological site, that whole stretch. And one of the reasons for putting in these stones

[0:41:36] Voice 7: was certainly to stop it naturally eroding, but also to protect pop tunnels that's coming

[0:41:42] Voice 7: and digging into the middle. And so the rocks were put there to stop the wave action from

[0:41:53] Voice 7: naturally a rolling rock and bringing it down, but also there was a ground cover, which I

[0:41:59] Voice 7: think Wendy Shaw has, it was just there mainly to stop people

[0:42:06] Voice 7: hunting in the midlands, and all 20 properties along there have done almost the same thing,

[0:42:12] Voice 7: So to pick out one or 20, it's ridiculous, I think.

[0:42:19] Voice 4: Yeah, also, so thank

[0:42:23] Voice 2: you very much for that, by the way.

[0:42:24] Voice 4: Pardon me?

[0:42:25] Voice 4: Just to add my voice to this discussion,

[0:42:28] Voice 4: I am in support of what's being said here.

[0:42:32] Voice 4: And I do have a property down the road as well.

[0:42:36] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:42:37] Voice 7: Yeah, and we'll

[0:42:37] Voice 7: address this.

[0:42:39] Voice 7: It's good to hear from you in this section,

[0:42:42] Voice 7: but we'll be addressing that when we get to it.

[0:42:47] Voice 7: So let me go to the next hand that I saw.

[0:42:53] Voice 7: Gavin Carver.

[0:42:55] Voice 7: Go ahead.

[0:42:56] Voice 5: Gavin Carver.

[0:42:58] Voice 5: I read the minutes, and I noticed there's a letter from the Dead Votes Society

[0:43:02] Voice 5: saying they're going to be surveying and looking for votes that are dead, etc.

[0:43:08] Voice 5: I think Deadman Bay deserves warrant and deserves notice

[0:43:11] Voice 5: that there's several boats in that bay that are abandoned

[0:43:15] Voice 5: and have not moved for several years,

[0:43:17] Voice 5: and it floods them and jets them in the bay.

[0:43:21] Voice 5: I think the Gabriel Trust needs to get behind it,

[0:43:23] Voice 5: the Dead Boat Society, to inform them,

[0:43:27] Voice 5: as well as I'm informing them,

[0:43:29] Voice 5: but I think we all need to get behind it

[0:43:30] Voice 5: to clean up David's Bay.

[0:43:33] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:43:34] Voice 5: Well, the Island Trust is

[0:43:35] Voice 5: quite

[0:43:37] Voice 7: behind John Roe,

[0:43:38] Voice 7: the Dead Boat Society.

[0:43:39] Voice 7: Okay, great.

[0:43:40] Voice 7: So he's definitely got that support

[0:43:41] Voice 7: and the federal and provincial agencies that are funding it

[0:43:45] Voice 7: are well aware of our support.

[0:43:47] Voice 7: And I'm

[0:43:47] Voice 7: pleased that that's happening.

[0:43:48] Voice 7: I mean,

[0:43:49] Voice 7: so I totally encourage you to get information to them

[0:43:52] Voice 7: so that they can add it to their inventory.

[0:43:54] Voice 5: I've been in touch with Ryan Grell at Transport Canada

[0:43:57] Voice 5: and Rudy Mazur at Flynn Road and you guys at Gawne Road

[0:44:03] Voice 5: and several years of it.

[0:44:05] Voice 5: And it seems to be not happening.

[0:44:09] Voice 5: I mean, so I don't know quite what's, you know,

[0:44:11] Voice 5: I think that you can pressure

[0:44:12] Voice 7: to make things happen.

[0:44:13] Voice 7: The trouble is there's a lot of votes.

[0:44:16] Voice 7: And in fact, one was towed away just yesterday

[0:44:18] Voice 7: out of Talcott Harbor, so it is happening.

[0:44:21] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:44:21] Voice 7: And in fact, I'm not gonna speculate the number,

[0:44:26] Voice 7: but a significant number of votes

[0:44:27] Voice 7: on the entire coast of the Columbia have been,

[0:44:30] Voice 7: and so that work is ongoing and we have more money.

[0:44:33] Voice 5: The trust is pressuring for these votes?

[0:44:36] Voice 5: Yes.

[0:44:36] Voice 7: Okay, excellent.

[0:44:37] Voice 7: Yeah, that's up to everyone at every moment.

[0:44:39] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:44:40] Voice 7: My own personal objective is to not,

[0:44:44] Voice 7: it's in the long-term plan is let's prevent people

[0:44:47] Voice 7: from doing this irresponsible thing.

[0:44:49] Voice 7: Fantastic.

[0:44:50] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:44:50] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:44:51] Voice 7: And that's a multi-jurisdictional situation.

[0:44:56] Voice 5: Yeah, but I have to add to that.

[0:44:57] Voice 5: When you say multi-jurisdictional,

[0:44:59] Voice 5: I think the key is to emphasize

[0:45:00] Voice 5: all these jurisdictions come together

[0:45:02] Voice 5: because currently they're not.

[0:45:03] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:45:04] Voice 5: They're not talking to each other.

[0:45:08] Voice 5: on that

[0:45:09] Voice 5: absolutely right

[0:45:12] Voice 5: and

[0:45:12] Voice 7: I am emphasizing that

[0:45:14] Voice 7: I've been for some time

[0:45:15] Voice 7: so get the information to John

[0:45:18] Voice 7: so he can demonstrate success

[0:45:20] Voice 7: and get more money because this is going to be

[0:45:21] Voice 7: ongoing until we get prevention measures

[0:45:24] Voice 7: in place

[0:45:24] Voice 7: I

[0:45:25] Voice 8: have a question

[0:45:26] Voice 8: regarding Gavin

[0:45:28] Voice 8: and about

[0:45:31] Voice 8: Degnan Bay

[0:45:32] Voice 8: it's particularly i don't know if we need to do this when we get to correspondence maybe because

[0:45:38] Voice 8: i was going to ask do we need to strengthen the request to look at magnet bay deadbolt society

[0:45:45] Voice 8: by a local trust committee motion or do you think the you think the effort is already out there

[0:45:54] Voice 7: just to make sure

[0:45:55] Voice 7: i think the information needs to get to the dead boat society of where these

[0:46:00] Voice 7: folks are what their vessel names are and any other information

[0:46:03] Voice 8: that's what they've asked

[0:46:03] Voice 8: say

[0:46:04] Voice 7: inventories yes yes they've

[0:46:06] Voice 7: asked us to facilitate that this is that opportunity because

[0:46:09] Voice 7: we can't do the inventory or do all this belonging and their own knowledge

[0:46:13] Voice 8: okay do you want to deal

[0:46:14] Voice 8: with that under correspondence then we have it

[0:46:18] Voice 2: under correspondence yes okay yeah okay

[0:46:22] Voice 4: Okay, Debra Grant is in the back row.

[0:46:24] Voice 8: Oh, thank you.

[0:46:25] Voice 8: Yeah, Debra Grant, I'm in Leningale.

[0:46:27] Voice 8: And hello, on this beautiful sunny day.

[0:46:32] Voice 8: So this is regarding the housing accelerator fund potential application.

[0:46:37] Voice 8: So I ask you to support staff recommendation number one,

[0:46:41] Voice 8: not to pursue CMHC's housing accelerator funding,

[0:46:46] Voice 8: largely for the reasons outlined in the staff report.

[0:46:49] Voice 8: I think that's a really clear staff report with a lot of reasons.

[0:46:53] Voice 8: or not pursuing it and further I ask you to consider staff option number two which is to

[0:47:02] Voice 8: move forward with the existing OCP project where housing is not the first priority and I believe

[0:47:10] Voice 8: that the climate emergency and reconciliation are the primary lens for an OCP review and the

[0:47:18] Voice 8: The Islands Trust was created to address threats and dangers to the natural environment and biodiversity and to work cooperatively with other levels of government, especially First Nations and Indigenous people within the Islands Trust area.

[0:47:33] Voice 8: And that has been an area that has been long neglected and overdue on the part of the Islands Trust.

[0:47:41] Voice 8: So as critical as hosing and other issues are, they can be addressed and aligned within

[0:47:49] Voice 8: a high-level declaration, the few in particular, that commit to urgent and fair climate action

[0:47:56] Voice 8: and that acknowledge and honour the rich history, stewardship and cultural heritage of Indigenous

[0:48:03] Voice 8: people in the Island's Trotting Area.

[0:48:06] Voice 8: Thank you and thank you for all your hard work.

[0:48:08] Voice 7: Much appreciated.

[0:48:09] Voice 8: Okay,

[0:48:10] Voice 7: thank you Danny for that message. Anybody else? I think that if it's all right with the

[0:48:17] Voice 7: LTC, when we get the correspondence on the Shaw letters, we might engage with the Shaw

[0:48:24] Voice 7: in that section. Is that all right with you as well?

[0:48:28] Voice 2: Because there's certainly some outstanding

[0:48:32] Voice 2: questions and thought that need to go into that.

[0:48:36] Voice 7: So no further questions for the public,

[0:48:39] Voice 7: it through the ltc we'll continue on with the agenda then so we have uh before us the um march

[0:48:46] Voice 7: 30th um minutes um um are there any additions or deletions or changes to those i did have a

[0:48:53] Voice 8: change

[0:48:57] Voice 8: just sorry about that page

[0:49:01] Voice 10: it's

[0:49:04] Voice 8: very it's very small on page 14

[0:49:07] Voice 8: the draft minutes, the First Nations Relationship Building.

[0:49:12] Voice 8: The trustees expressed their congratulations to the name of First Nations for their result at the recent Junior All-Native Basketball Tournament.

[0:49:21] Voice 8: And I think the comment was rather around how

[0:49:25] Voice 8: would congratulate the name of first nation for having hosted a successful uh event with over

[0:49:32] Voice 8: 1200 participating young athletes from the province wasn't specifically there their result

[0:49:38] Voice 8: it was having hosted the giant event that

[0:49:41] Voice 7: hosted the recent junior yeah i remember that you're

[0:49:46] Voice 7: okay with that okay we got that anything else and then

[0:49:50] Voice 7: then i'll take it that the minutes

[0:49:54] Voice 7: It's a general consent to adopt it as amended.

[0:49:57] Voice 7: Sorry.

[0:49:57] Voice 7: Just

[0:49:58] Voice 8: one question, maybe.

[0:50:01] Voice 8: Page four of the draft minutes.

[0:50:04] Voice 8: Page number?

[0:50:05] Voice 8: 8.2, under 8.2.

[0:50:08] Voice 8: Official Community Plan Review Project verbal update.

[0:50:12] Voice 8: Just a question under the second bullet.

[0:50:16] Voice 8: Groundwater aquifer mapping on North Ender and Galliano Islands completed.

[0:50:22] Voice 8: Oh, sorry.

[0:50:23] Voice 8: I'm sorry.

[0:50:23] Voice 8: Wrong bullet.

[0:50:23] Voice 8: I'll just, one, two, three, four, five, fifth bullet down.

[0:50:28] Voice 8: Estimated northern groundwater aquifer mapping minimum of $50,000 to complete.

[0:50:36] Voice 8: So my question is, what if we were to ask just for the Gabriola local pest area, not the whole northern groundwater?

[0:50:46] Voice 8: Not that I want to be selfish, but this pertains directly to our OCP review.

[0:50:50] Voice 8: you would it be less than fifty thousand dollars for for the day we've got nerissa on the line

[0:50:59] Voice 8: she's through the chair i i know

[0:51:01] Voice 7: it's just an aspect of that

[0:51:02] Voice 8: question but we could follow up

[0:51:05] Voice 8: there

[0:51:05] Voice 7: okay if that was

[0:51:07] Voice 7: it there's some thought that nerissa traffic online might have an answer

[0:51:12] Voice 7: okay so nerissa uh did well you potentially

[0:51:19] Voice 8: have an answer there but

[0:51:20] Voice 7: the other obvious

[0:51:21] Voice 7: key question there is whether or not that money has been budgeted already so go ahead so uh could

[0:51:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): you just please um uh repeat the full question because i'm i'm sort of

[0:51:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): um multitasking you're

[0:51:35] Voice 8: yeah

[0:51:36] Voice 7: thank you thank you so the

[0:51:38] Voice 8: question is under the ocp uh review update um one two three four

[0:51:44] Voice 8: or five bullets down,

[0:51:46] Voice 8: we talked about having groundwater aquifer mapping

[0:51:50] Voice 8: as a preliminary necessity to do this OCP.

[0:51:54] Voice 8: We have to have that.

[0:51:55] Voice 8: And so there is an estimate of $50,000 to complete it,

[0:52:02] Voice 8: but it says estimated northern groundwater aquifer mapping.

[0:52:06] Voice 8: So can we limit it just to the Gabriola Trust area?

[0:52:12] Planner Chadwick (probable): So, um, the way that it would work so the methodology so there's a methodology that would need to be developed.

[0:52:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): And if we are paying for Gabriela to do it, it is going to make it cheaper for other for it to be rolled out to other islands, so that the ask that would go out to sort of identify an amount would would be to for basically like considering

[0:52:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): considering the rollout to to Denman and Hornby as well um but um um but the work would begin

[0:52:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): on Gabriela that's that's staff's thinking at this point time okay so

[0:52:56] Voice 2: then my follow

[0:52:57] Voice 8: -up question is

[0:52:58] Voice 8: the amount of money that we would need to budget for this that would need to come out as part of

[0:53:03] Voice 8: our OCP review would we be able to cordon off the Gabriela section of that because I definitely

[0:53:09] Voice 8: understand why it's an ordinary area because I know how the southern area was done. But when we

[0:53:15] Voice 8: have to budget for our OCP review, could we, you know, have a smaller amount than the $50,000

[0:53:23] Voice 8: devoted to our OCP review?

[0:53:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): Well, the $50,000 would be at the minimum, really, to get that work done.

[0:53:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): And there are some other things that are happening at sort of a higher trust council

[0:53:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): council level that are sort of starting to move forward, which may indicate that there may be some

[0:53:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): higher level support. At this point, I can't confirm this. This is linked to the initiatives

[0:53:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): that the Regional Planning Committee is supporting. And one of these is what we're

[0:53:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): calling suitable land analysis. And that's about gathering all the data related to understanding

[0:54:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): understanding sort of the ecological conditions the conditions of groundwater in all of the well

[0:54:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): in the basically starting with again it's about creating a methodology for all LTCs but

[0:54:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): starting with those LTCs that currently have housing or OCP reviews as major projects so

[0:54:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): So Gabriela would be one of them.

[0:54:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): So there could potentially be an opportunity for that to be looked at at a trust-wide level.

[0:54:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): Again, I'm totally, I mean, this is work that we're just initiating.

[0:54:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): The RPC has put some money towards kind of starting to understand that work.

[0:54:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): um so there there yeah i i think that but to answer your question directly um we still need

[0:55:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): to understand how much it would cost so um our freshwater specialists uh as soon as freshwater

[0:55:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): specialist has been out um he's been um on on paternity leave for the last two months he'll

[0:55:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): be back in june so we'll be able to um get a better sense of that cost we were going to put

[0:55:23] Planner Chadwick (probable): out that um request for information so that we would have a sense um and at that point in time

[0:55:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): we'll know how much the ask would be specifically for gabriella like and how much the ask would be

[0:55:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): for the um for the uh the whole north well but gabriola hornby and and denman okay thank you

[0:55:44] Voice 8: Thank you. Thank you. Okay,

[0:55:46] Voice 7: thank you. So back to the minutes of March the 30th. Are we okay to adopt them? Okay, so then let's adopt the minutes of March the 30th by general consent as amended.

[0:55:57] Voice 7: and I just want to note for the minutes here is that we have a minutes for April the 28th that

[0:56:10] Voice 7: must be in process and that would be great if we could adopt those and publish them by

[0:56:17] Voice 7: so through

[0:56:19] Voice 8: the chair we still need I believe a vote for the adoption of the minutes I

[0:56:24] Voice 7: did it by

[0:56:25] Voice 8: have

[0:56:25] Voice 7: a general consent

[0:56:25] Voice 8: and that could be um a resolution for minutes okay

[0:56:32] Voice 7: so is there an

[0:56:33] Voice 7: interest in having those minutes yeah i

[0:56:35] Voice 8: would move that um the minutes of um april 28th special

[0:56:44] Voice 8: um gabriella island special meeting i'll be forwarded to the ltc

[0:56:54] Voice 8: uh for review and adopted yeah

[0:56:57] Voice 7: be adopted and published by rwm thank

[0:57:00] Voice 8: you be adopted and published

[0:57:01] Voice 8: by rwm is

[0:57:02] Voice 7: that okay so moved

[0:57:04] Voice 8: i'll second that

[0:57:05] Voice 7: and then any discussions thank you that's great

[0:57:09] Voice 7: so there you go um so the next section then here is resolution without meeting important nothing

[0:57:15] Voice 7: um this uh go around but that would ideally be something for next time and advisory planning

[0:57:21] Voice 7: Planning Commission minutes, and there are no minutes at this time, and certainly when

[0:57:25] Voice 7: we're making some referrals, we'll be looking forward to the work of the Advisory Planning

[0:57:31] Voice 7: Commissions.

[0:57:32] Voice 7: So business now rising from the minutes takes us to our follow-up action list dated May

[0:57:38] Voice 7: 2, 2023, and I'll just ask the Regional Planning Manager, Renee, whether or not there's any

[0:57:44] Voice 7: updates to the report that's contained in our agenda today, and if there aren't any,

[0:57:50] Voice 7: then i'll just ask trustees if they have any questions so

[0:57:53] Voice 8: if there's something you wouldn't

[0:57:54] Voice 7: be speaking okay

[0:57:55] Voice 8: well through the chair um there is a follow-up action um noted um on

[0:58:00] Voice 8: with the legal arguments um that we have some clarification for trustee h on the density

[0:58:06] Voice 8: donation project for one way there um island planner sonia zupanek is able to provide some

[0:58:16] Voice 8: clarifications okay

[0:58:18] Voice 7: so i think then we should go to that now or yeah i would be very happy to hear

[0:58:24] Voice 7: about that thank you okay so thank you for joining us uh for the uh density donation

[0:58:34] Voice 8: well i can answer any questions that you have about what happened last term in terms of where

[0:58:41] Voice 8: that project was left off the intent of it was to collaborate with other groups on the islands

[0:58:47] Voice 8: relating to different forms of

[0:58:49] Voice 10: stewardship

[0:58:51] Voice 8: that's ecological and posing and reducing density and

[0:58:56] Voice 8: increasing it in areas that are more appropriate so that was really successful we have a collaborative

[0:59:01] Voice 8: a zoom campaign community outreach program that was conducting and to solicit potential donations

[0:59:11] Voice 8: and so we did end up following through with about five individuals who were interested in density

[0:59:16] Voice 8: donations to the Gabriel density bank however none of them materialized into actual donations

[0:59:23] Voice 8: everyone felt that they weren't at the right place and time in their estate planning to

[0:59:29] Voice 8: to make a decision like that.

[0:59:31] Voice 8: So there was nothing presented to the local trust committee

[0:59:33] Voice 8: the last term in terms

[0:59:35] Voice 8: of expediting a possible donation

[0:59:38] Voice 8: and any of the application fees being waived

[0:59:41] Voice 8: and incorporated into the project.

[0:59:43] Voice 8: So then the act was to possibly produce

[0:59:46] Voice 8: some public outreach materials

[0:59:48] Voice 8: that could stand the test of time

[0:59:50] Voice 8: to just continue to promote that option to landowners

[0:59:53] Voice 8: and remind people that if they owned land

[0:59:56] Voice 8: that had additional onion stems today that I could use.

[1:00:00] Voice 8: donated for the purposes of affordable housing uh and that the local trust committee might

[1:00:05] Voice 8: absorb those costs so that it would not be a barrier for those donations to be made um and

[1:00:12] Voice 8: that's still an outstanding item that the ltc can consider requesting to be followed up with due to

[1:00:20] Voice 8: numerous staffing changes and resource demands that package hasn't been prepared it could be a

[1:00:26] Voice 8: simple as a PDF and a link that people can access or it can be hard copy. We intended it to be both, eventually, that people could access that information from one of our news.

[1:00:37] Voice 8: We didn't mean it to be, but that it would be something that communication materials that would be easy to understand how this works and how it could be applied for the Gabriel Trust Area.

[1:00:47] Voice 8: So it's still on the list. It wasn't the resource. There's been no follow up to it in this new term.

[1:00:55] Voice 8: And I think that's the discussion today. Whether or not you'd like to continue to ensure that that happens with the minor projects deliverable or whether you're willing to move on.

[1:01:06] Voice 8: Knowing that since there wasn't really any uptake and there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest at this time,

[1:01:12] Voice 8: because the way the real estate market seems to be,

[1:01:15] Voice 8: there's a lot of people who don't seem to be as distinguished.

[1:01:23] Voice 8: One question to Glenn and Sue.

[1:01:26] Voice 8: Have any of the other local areas tried this?

[1:01:35] Voice 8: Well, there's different approaches that have been used across the trust

[1:01:41] Voice 8: through site-specific applications, rezoning applications.

[1:01:46] Voice 8: up-zoning, down-zoning, not so much an outreach program that would result in soliciting donations

[1:01:53] Voice 8: and sort of coordinating the whole process. So that was, it was considered to be relatively

[1:01:58] Voice 8: new. It came from all over to undertake that, but there just wasn't a public uptake for it.

[1:02:04] Voice 8: Thank you. Sorry. How

[1:02:07] Voice 2: long has the density

[1:02:08] Voice 8: donation bank been in our OCP?

[1:02:15] Voice 8: Okay, so there's been no uptake in 26 years.

[1:02:21] Voice 8: Well, in terms of donations, no, but we do have one outstanding density from the regional

[1:02:29] Voice 8: district in the Niles Park acquisition for one of the lots adjacent to the 707 that was

[1:02:34] Voice 8: purchased.

[1:02:34] Voice 8: just um a lot but i

[1:02:37] Voice 8: have done some here oh yeah it's a tiny repeat right so that is still an

[1:02:44] Voice 8: outstanding item that needs to be law and abstract accounted for so there is one

[1:02:48] Voice 10: but

[1:02:50] Voice 8: that was through

[1:02:50] Voice 8: a collaboration with the region of the street and i'm not right so in 26 years nobody's actually

[1:02:56] Voice 8: taken us up on that pool and no other ltcs have it but no the different different formats the

[1:03:04] So

[1:03:04] Voice 8: Denman Island Local Trust Committee has a density bank based on a number that they decided 5% above what the density was at the time that the OCP was drafted.

[1:03:15] Voice 8: So they just gave a 5% after seeing the bank sort of.

[1:03:18] Voice 10: And

[1:03:18] Voice 8: so we had to do the calculation for them.

[1:03:20] Voice 8: That was in 2006 when their OCP was adopted.

[1:03:23] Voice 8: What was the density?

[1:03:24] Voice 8: And then add 5%.

[1:03:25] Voice 8: And then there's a

[1:03:27] Voice 8: mathematical exercise.

[1:03:29] Voice 7: So that's their approach.

[1:03:31] Voice 8: Right.

[1:03:39] Voice 7: I'm not familiar with the

[1:03:40] Voice 8: southern islands, I can barely keep up with them.

[1:03:43] Voice 8: Yeah,

[1:03:43] Voice 7: so there are, there are, there is activity that happens around, but I think that as you

[1:03:51] Voice 7: pointed out the focused sort of campaign approach

[1:03:55] Voice 2: to

[1:03:56] Voice 7: raising awareness to the possibilities

[1:04:05] Voice 7: it's

[1:04:06] Voice 8: an idea that it is in practice that the market dictates that intensity is worth a certain

[1:04:15] Voice 8: amount of money and so far it hasn't proven to my understanding that people are willing to give up

[1:04:21] Voice 8: that asset and that amount of money to exchange it for affordable housing so it's like

[1:04:28] Voice 8: like it's a great idea is it a is it a tool that is working in practice and in 26 years I'm doubtful

[1:04:35] Voice 8: that it's

[1:04:36] Voice 7: proven as well well then that the money the value was clear and it was done specifically

[1:04:42] Voice 7: to facilitate a development it

[1:04:45] Voice 10: was right

[1:04:46] Voice 7: uh the five percent bank buffer that they created you

[1:04:49] Voice 7: know the density transfers that they did off with the private land yes yes that was a collaboration

[1:04:55] Voice 8: a

[1:04:55] Voice 7: collaboration between a

[1:04:56] Voice 8: private land owner and the not-for-profit housing society.

[1:04:59] Voice 8: So that was a unique circumstance, and that they had land that could still have it.

[1:05:03] Voice 8: Yeah, exactly.

[1:05:04] Voice 7: That was orchestrated by an individual for which there was good reason for them to do that.

[1:05:12] Voice 7: So

[1:05:12] Voice 8: through the chair, this is great discussion.

[1:05:15] Voice 8: I just want to loop it back to this is this particular follow-up action item is for

[1:05:22] Voice 8: um to direct staff to prepare some outreach material so it sounds like there's some more

[1:05:29] Voice 8: maybe discussion that could be had through some housing discussions on the outreach inventive

[1:05:36] Voice 8: that could definitely happen right

[1:05:38] Voice 7: so that would

[1:05:40] Voice 8: like you to have information in order to be a

[1:05:42] Voice 8: future project um i was actually going to do going exactly the opposite direction i was going to say

[1:05:49] Voice 8: say, to take it off our follow-up action list, not to make it a minor project, not to produce,

[1:05:55] Voice 8: not to spend staff time and money producing this information. I don't think it's been successful.

[1:06:01] Voice 8: Lots of reasons why. We need to put our staff time and energy elsewhere. And all of that,

[1:06:09] Voice 8: anything good that we could accomplish with this could also be done by a very thoughtful

[1:06:15] Voice 8: amenity zoning action which always is an option when you have any kind of development the amenity

[1:06:21] Voice 8: zoning option is always there and if you can make that work for your community that's the way to go

[1:06:28] Voice 8: because then it's triggered by something that you know has an immediate possible benefit

[1:06:35] Voice 8: rather than a nebulous wish like you know ethically and morally this is lovely but

[1:06:41] Voice 8: it's not going to get it nothing traveling and i don't think

[1:06:44] Voice 8: i just don't think we should

[1:06:46] Voice 8: i think she'd make an option of a minor we shouldn't be pursuing it

[1:06:51] Voice 7: okay do you want to

[1:06:53] Voice 7: make a motion to that effect and pitch you in a day sure i

[1:06:57] Voice 8: move that the gabriela island vocal

[1:06:59] Voice 8: test committee um remove density donation out of the program from the follow-up action list and

[1:07:09] Voice 8: from a future projects list a second second

[1:07:15] Voice 6: so any further discussion yeah

[1:07:17] Voice 8: i just i would say

[1:07:19] Voice 8: from my experience being on the housing advisory planning commission for the last term and sort

[1:07:26] Voice 8: of witnessing what the trustees were debating and the recommendations that were presented this was

[1:07:33] Voice 8: was seen as, oh, this is an easy land.

[1:07:37] Voice 8: There was a significant, I think it was 57% or something

[1:07:42] Voice 8: of the respondents who had an extra density.

[1:07:46] Voice 8: They owned two properties or a subdividable property.

[1:07:50] Voice 8: They said, oh, we'd be willing to donate that.

[1:07:52] Voice 8: And I was like,

[1:07:52] Voice 8: wow, this is a great finding.

[1:07:55] Voice 8: And the trustees were like, oh, easy win.

[1:07:57] Voice 8: That could be donated to affordable housing.

[1:07:59] Voice 8: so they put a lot of effort into it was four thousand dollars it became the project for the

[1:08:07] Voice 8: last year of the term significant effort was put into promoting it and then zero uptake so the

[1:08:13] Voice 8: market has been tested it's been a tool in the ocp for 26 years and then we promoted it and it's

[1:08:20] Voice 8: essentially a dead tool as far as i'm concerned it doesn't fly because in this market density is

[1:08:27] Voice 8: worth money and you have to speak the language of money if you're going to appeal to people to

[1:08:32] Voice 8: give that up so i don't support it at all thank you for removing it from our nebulous idea list

[1:08:39] Voice 8: that just doesn't work okay that's 87 67 so i know i remember the number and it was but but

[1:08:47] Voice 8: it's a but it's a good idea can be a red herring because you're like oh we have that tool but it's

[1:08:53] Voice 8: it's not actualized, it's impractical.

[1:08:56] Voice 6: Sorry.

[1:08:57] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:08:59] Voice 6: All those in favor, I'm going to support your-

[1:09:02] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:09:04] Voice 8: Hard experience, more than anything.

[1:09:07] Voice 7: Okay, so there's two other items

[1:09:10] Voice 7: that have been highlighted here

[1:09:12] Voice 7: on the follow-up action list,

[1:09:14] Voice 7: the next one being our next coming up

[1:09:19] Voice 7: regular trust committee meeting.

[1:09:21] Voice 7: So, um,

[1:09:24] Voice 7: rpm

[1:09:24] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:09:27] Voice 8: The chair wanted to

[1:09:29] Voice 8: provide an update on

[1:09:31] Voice 8: the meetings

[1:09:33] Voice 8: for

[1:09:35] Voice 8: your local question

[1:09:37] Voice 8: when you're doing your meetings.

[1:09:39] Voice 8: So the meeting for June

[1:09:41] Voice 8: 8, so there was a resolution

[1:09:44] Voice 8: I guess I'll backtrack a little bit.

[1:09:45] Voice 8: The resolution to set up the public

[1:09:47] Voice 8: meeting dates and there was

[1:09:49] Voice 8: an ask if, um,

[1:09:52] Voice 8: june 8th what we're finding is june 8th we would like to request that that be virtual instead of

[1:10:00] Voice 8: in person because unfortunately there's no venues available for that date for that regular meeting

[1:10:08] Voice 8: yeah and for july 20th there was an ask to look into the possibility of having that

[1:10:15] Voice 8: meeting on much island so we took that back and looked at some logistics and what we found is that

[1:10:22] Voice 8: the logistics for having that meeting on much island proved to be really difficult so we're

[1:10:29] Voice 8: suggesting to have that in person on gabriela and look at booking that venue for an in-person meeting

[1:10:37] Voice 8: Gabriel Wednesday.

[1:10:39] Voice 8: So, July 8th,

[1:10:41] Voice 8: sorry, June 8th, virtual instead of

[1:10:43] Voice 8: in-person, because

[1:10:44] Voice 8: there were no menus available for us to book.

[1:10:47] Voice 8: And for July 20th,

[1:10:49] Voice 8: in-person on Gabriel Wednesday.

[1:10:53] Voice 6: Okay, is there a motion for that?

[1:10:55] Voice 8: Yes, please.

[1:10:56] Voice 8: So,

[1:10:56] Voice 7: let's have some discussion about

[1:10:58] Voice 7: the proposal, but it sounds

[1:11:00] Voice 7: like that's been thought through.

[1:11:03] Voice 8: Well, no place at all

[1:11:05] Voice 8: on June 8th, not Aggie Hall,

[1:11:06] Voice 8: Well, not coming outside.

[1:11:11] Voice 8: Actually, in Luskete, we made a resolution to have our next meeting outside, but provided

[1:11:16] Voice 8: the shade adjacent to the

[1:11:19] Voice 7: hall, so there could be internet.

[1:11:20] Voice 7: It doesn't actually work that well.

[1:11:23] Voice 8: I'm a new

[1:11:23] Voice 8: chair, and I get to test it.

[1:11:25] Voice 7: You get to be with that.

[1:11:25] Voice 8: You get to find out.

[1:11:27] Voice 7: Have you never done that?

[1:11:29] Voice 8: Sure.

[1:11:30] Voice 8: I don't know.

[1:11:31] Voice 8: it's did we did we reach out to people in much um to our large support team we looked at all

[1:11:38] Voice 8: available venues for juni

[1:11:40] Voice 8: and we find everything so we wanted

[1:11:42] Voice 8: to get this to you as soon as possible

[1:11:44] Voice 8: we want to get to you help us get there so virtual meeting on june 8th oh okay well

[1:11:53] Voice 8: i'm just frantically going in my brain like what could they have missed probably nothing

[1:12:00] Voice 7: So we need the motion to change the June 8th meeting to virtual meeting and July 20th meeting

[1:12:09] Voice 7: to here.

[1:12:11] Voice 7: Probably

[1:12:12] Voice 8: here, right?

[1:12:13] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:12:14] Voice 7: Live.

[1:12:15] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:12:15] Voice 8: Correct.

[1:12:16] Voice 8: In person on Gabriel Island.

[1:12:18] Voice 8: We'll look as soon as possible.

[1:12:20] Voice 8: at the book event as well.

[1:12:22] Voice 8: Beautiful.

[1:12:24] Voice 8: Thank you, James.

[1:12:26] Voice 8: And really, Chair, just for

[1:12:28] Voice 8: the members here today,

[1:12:30] Voice 8: members of the public here today,

[1:12:32] Voice 8: once that gets updated through this resolution,

[1:12:34] Voice 8: then we'll update the website

[1:12:36] Voice 8: so that we know what we're going to do.

[1:12:40] Voice 8: Just a

[1:12:40] Voice 8: quick question. If something all of a sudden became

[1:12:42] Voice 8: available two weeks before June 8,

[1:12:46] Voice 8: is that too late to

[1:12:47] Voice 8: change? We could

[1:12:50] Voice 8: do our best to schedule that if it came up in person and we republish the website just in case

[1:12:57] Voice 8: something brilliant yeah

[1:12:59] Voice 7: i gotta say um that kind of spontaneous scheduling doesn't necessarily

[1:13:04] Voice 7: work well for me i

[1:13:05] Voice 7: prepared the flex yeah but

[1:13:07] Voice 7: i've already flexed in order to accommodate

[1:13:09] Voice 7: yeah

[1:13:10] Voice 8: we can have it on theater

[1:13:16] Voice 8: I just note that in the calendar it says the Gabriel Arts and Heritage Center for the July

[1:13:21] Voice 8: 20th meeting so it's that was a holding thing we did I guess it's scheduled and then it says

[1:13:27] Voice 8: to be determined for the June 8th so correct do we need a

[1:13:32] Voice 8: resolution well it's for clarity

[1:13:35] Voice 8: and then we can make sure everything is updated on the website and it's captured okay there's a

[1:13:40] Voice 8: lot of logistics that needs to happen oh yeah we did make it so i'll move that we schedule the

[1:13:53] Voice 8: gabriela local tuscany meeting for june 8 to be a virtual meeting so i'm gonna or you want to

[1:14:01] Voice 8: continue i might as well finish it and then i'll move that we schedule the july 20th gabriel ltc

[1:14:07] Voice 8: meeting to be held at

[1:14:09] Voice 8: Gabriel Arts

[1:14:11] Voice 8: on

[1:14:14] Voice 2: Gabriel Arts.

[1:14:18] Voice 2: Yes.

[1:14:21] Voice 2: Okay, so moved.

[1:14:22] Voice 2: Seconded. Seconded by

[1:14:23] Voice 2: Trustee

[1:14:24] Voice 7: Elliott. And any further

[1:14:26] Voice 7: discussion? All those in favor?

[1:14:28] Voice 7: So that carries. Okay. Thank you for

[1:14:30] Voice 7: bringing that to our attention. You're welcome.

[1:14:31] Voice 8: Thank you for the effort

[1:14:32] Voice 7: to try and get it, but let's

[1:14:34] Voice 7: try and do it again in the future.

[1:14:36] Voice 8: Chair Luck, I have one quick

[1:14:38] Voice 8: question regarding the follow-up action

[1:14:39] Voice 8: list or follow-up action report okay

[1:14:42] Voice 7: we've got 6.3 here yet um which is on the follow-up

[1:14:47] Voice 7: we'll wrap it up like maybe dealing with other items is that all right yes so 6.3

[1:14:54] Voice 7: classification resolution is a letter to its name association except for me as well correct

[1:15:03] Voice 8: so through the chair um as we were reviewing the resolutions and the actions i wanted to play this

[1:15:09] Voice 8: this for the trustees and suggest an amendment to the resolution that gave direction to staff

[1:15:18] Voice 8: to write this in the name of First Nation Acting Chief expressing interest to learn how the nation

[1:15:25] Voice 8: might wish to be involved in the OCP project review. And we're suggesting to amend that

[1:15:33] Voice 8: resolution to request staff to drop the letter and include other First Nations and we have an

[1:15:39] Voice 8: interest in Gabriel for this project just to recognize that um then we can staff can go back

[1:15:46] Voice 8: and make sure we send out those letters and do that coordination and it gives us the ability

[1:15:52] Voice 8: with your direction to do that

[1:15:54] Voice 8: right very thoughtful yeah so if there's any questions

[1:15:58] Voice 8: we're reflecting on that to get ready for the project and do you need a motion

[1:16:02] Voice 8: to that okay um

[1:16:06] Voice 8: i have a suggested resolution

[1:16:29] Voice 8: So it

[1:16:30] Voice 2: would

[1:16:34] Voice 8: be to request that staff drop the letter.

[1:16:40] Voice 8: on behalf of the gabriel will trust me to send him off a first nation and other first nations

[1:16:46] Voice 8: who may have an interest in gabriel island learning how the nation might wish to work with

[1:16:52] Voice 8: the christian community plan review project on gabriel's island and how we might respect the

[1:16:57] Voice 8: nation's engagement priorities at this time

[1:17:00] Voice 4: so you've got that wording

[1:17:03] Voice 7: are you okay with what

[1:17:04] Voice 7: you've heard and uh moved by i'll move it second by toby elliott and for the discussion i'll listen

[1:17:11] Voice 7: and curious thank you for that great thank you approach to that um so you have something else

[1:17:19] Voice 7: in the follow-up action one little

[1:17:21] Voice 8: thing peter that will sound to you like very familiar um it's

[1:17:25] Voice 8: about the action of considering a letter written by the chair that would be you stating our concerns

[1:17:33] Voice 8: concerns over the proposed flight path changes from Vancouver International Airport and I think

[1:17:41] Voice 8: that just got stalled because I'm not sure why that got stalled I

[1:17:47] Voice 7: think staffing resources would

[1:17:49] Voice 7: probably okay yeah and

[1:17:52] Voice 8: I'm only asking about that as a follow-up action because I have been asked

[1:17:56] Voice 8: by other people on gabriola is council going to write to um nab can about this proposed flight

[1:18:05] Voice 8: path change which doesn't seem to have any clear rationale behind it it

[1:18:12] Voice 2: doesn't

[1:18:13] Voice 8: seem to have any

[1:18:13] Voice 8: real rationale behind the proposed flight path change like anything i

[1:18:17] Voice 7: think there's some fuel

[1:18:18] Voice 7: abatement issues associated with it it's an operational thing and it's not for us to

[1:18:24] Voice 7: understand probably good anyway yeah but i i think that council has not made that request specifically

[1:18:32] Voice 7: okay and so if you want to ask council to make that specific request recently that's going to

[1:18:39] Voice 7: delay it even further until june um i think that if you want the gabriel gabriel ltc to

[1:18:49] Voice 6: write with

[1:18:51] Voice 6: with then that

[1:18:52] Voice 7: direction, we could certainly do that.

[1:18:55] Voice 8: Right, because on the follow-up action report,

[1:18:57] Voice 8: it says that it's completed,

[1:18:58] Voice 8: like the status is completed, which concerns me.

[1:19:01] Voice 7: Oh, well, maybe I'm mistaken then on that,

[1:19:05] Voice 7: but I don't believe there's a letter on the website

[1:19:07] Voice 7: that indicates that.

[1:19:08] Voice 8: And I'm sure I would have received a copy

[1:19:10] Voice 8: and I know I haven't.

[1:19:12] Voice 8: So, yeah, I mean, certainly it is of importance

[1:19:15] Voice 8: to Gabriel, our residents,

[1:19:17] Voice 8: because the proposed flight path change is-

[1:19:20] Voice 8: and fetus of effects as well so um you have all the documentation i think

[1:19:27] Voice 2: um

[1:19:28] Voice 2: yeah i'm not sure

[1:19:35] Voice 8: how to word that motion because i don't i don't want to make it

[1:19:38] Voice 8: so onerous that you just can't do it um maybe we'll enter jammer oh

[1:19:44] Voice 7: perfect thank you

[1:19:45] Voice 7: through

[1:19:46] Voice 8: the chair um i have a note on that question um trustee yates um through our uh

[1:19:53] Voice 8: our director freighter um that it the letter went to the trust committee and they didn't want to

[1:20:00] Voice 8: proceed with the letter so it went through its process and then you report to council

[1:20:05] Voice 8: trust council okay that's what happened so that was the update i think because it happens

[1:20:13] Voice 8: right so

[1:20:14] Voice 8: that's why i marked it as complete because it went through that front of us

[1:20:20] Voice 8: the trust council didn't want to proceed with that yeah

[1:20:26] Voice 7: i have to look at the minutes to reflect on

[1:20:27] Voice 7: that why that is but it may be that it wasn't it may be that it just didn't become a priority

[1:20:33] Voice 7: at the moment in time i don't

[1:20:35] Voice 8: have any more details on that right in

[1:20:37] Voice 8: terms of sending out

[1:20:39] Voice 8: the letter going as far as it could

[1:20:41] Voice 7: so therefore if you want to do something then let's get a

[1:20:45] Voice 7: motion that directs the chair work staff to facilitate uh crafting a letter based upon

[1:20:52] Voice 7: the information that we've received from

[1:20:55] Voice 6: gabriel residents okay

[1:20:58] Voice 8: i'll make the motion

[1:21:01] Voice 8: I move that Gabriel the local trust committee request the chair of our LTC to work with staff

[1:21:10] Voice 8: to write a letter of concern to NAPCAN regarding

[1:21:18] Voice 2: the proposed flight path changes

[1:21:20] Voice 2: and that documentation and letters from Gabriel residents be included for information

[1:21:39] Voice 2: Okay, you got that? Do you need to hear that back?

[1:21:44] Voice 8: Sure, thank you for that.

[1:21:46] Voice 8: Let's move that the Gabriela Local Trust Committee requests the chair of the Local Trust Committee to work with staff to write a letter of concern to NAVCAN regarding the proposed flight path changes and the documentation and letters from Gabriela residents be included for information.

[1:22:02] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:22:03] Voice 7: okay i just sent myself an email to get that going um so i moved the secretary toby thank you

[1:22:12] Voice 7: um any further discussion let's get that going i'm definitely thank

[1:22:17] Voice 8: you more work for you

[1:22:20] Voice 8: yeah it is thanks for bringing that up so there we go um all right anything else on the follow-up

[1:22:27] Voice 7: semester um

[1:22:28] Voice 8: one little tiny thing but i believe it's actually being taken care of

[1:22:32] Voice 8: uh with our ocp planning review and that is staff to prepare a request for proposal for work on a

[1:22:39] Voice 8: water availability assessment and i believe that's the fifty thousand dollars that we were talking

[1:22:44] Voice 2: about earlier thank you so is there an answer to that we agree

[1:22:56] Voice 7: that that's yeah um

[1:22:57] Voice 4: so nothing

[1:22:59] Voice 7: for the follow-up action list then so applications and referrals on section seven seven one eleven

[1:23:08] Voice 7: fifty two we're going to leave it behind um i'll turn this over to staff uh closing of ocp

[1:23:17] Voice 7: it would be application db or rezoning 2022.1 thank you there you go

[1:23:25] Voice 7: so

[1:23:26] Voice 8: this is a short status update report for your consideration today the applicant

[1:23:31] Voice 8: with this year. Mr. Kent Bowen is on his seat to launch the application. This is GDRZ 2022.1.

[1:23:39] Voice 8: The enterprise is limited or commonly known locally as the Wild Rose Nursery.

[1:23:45] Voice 8: In September, you had requested that the applicant provide two specific reports,

[1:23:50] Voice 8: professional reports related to septic capacity for the proposed intensification of commercial

[1:23:56] Voice 8: commercial uses and residential uses on that parcel, as well as the groundwater assessment report to support the drafting of bylaws being presented to you.

[1:24:06] Voice 8: So we have provided just a short summary of where we're at with that. We haven't received those two reports and the applicant can speak to that as well if they'd like.

[1:24:17] Voice 8: So typically how we work with these rezoning applications is that if after a certain period

[1:24:22] Voice 8: of time we don't receive the reports and the information that we need in order to develop

[1:24:26] Voice 8: the draft file, we advise the applicant that we would be closing the file due to inactivity.

[1:24:31] Voice 8: The applicants requested that the file not be closed, that they have engaged with a hydrogeologist,

[1:24:39] Voice 8: but that the septic report likely wouldn't be forthcoming and so it's not a one or the

[1:24:44] Voice 8: others are both integral in terms of providing sufficient satisfaction to staff let alone the

[1:24:51] Voice 8: local community that would be engaged during a public hearing process that the intensification

[1:24:56] Voice 8: of those uses is supported and that there's no surprises at the time of development that the

[1:25:00] Voice 8: land actually can't support those uses so this is the same advice that we're giving at the front

[1:25:06] Voice 8: counter to individuals who are also interested in intensifying the village area for gabriola

[1:25:10] Voice 8: so it's consistent advice that we're giving so our recommendation is that we maintain the

[1:25:16] Voice 8: May 31st deadline for both reports being received the alternatives are that the local

[1:25:22] Voice 8: trust committee can just direct staff to continue with drafting the bylaws and presenting them to

[1:25:27] Voice 8: you in the absence of that information and that perhaps you would consider that coming in at a

[1:25:32] Voice 8: later time or at all you could waive those requirements that we need strong action all

[1:25:37] Voice 8: for that so that you could advise other people who are making similar inquiries as to what the

[1:25:42] Voice 8: expectation is when you submit a rezoning application and present it to you. The other

[1:25:48] Voice 8: recommendation or the other alternative that you could consider is an extension to the May 31st

[1:25:54] Voice 8: date if you felt so inclined and the staff will simply just wait until we receive those before

[1:26:01] Voice 8: we prepare the draft by-law. So I'm happy to answer any questions that you have and as I

[1:26:05] Voice 8: mentioned the applicant is here as well to speak to that thank

[1:26:09] Voice 7: you okay thank you uh plans to

[1:26:12] Voice 7: connect and is it ken yeah okay thank you ken for being here today um um i should just offer

[1:26:21] Voice 7: do you have anything to say with regards to an update on this and otherwise the trust you might

[1:26:26] Voice 7: have some questions um

[1:26:27] Voice 6: i contacted the um hydrologist that did the report from cc place

[1:26:32] Voice 6: based housing development, and he's going to prepare the requested water report, but

[1:26:39] Voice 6: it takes some time, and so an extension would allow us to get that to you.

[1:26:50] Voice 6: The septic one, I talked to the fellow that designs the septic systems, he completed the

[1:26:54] Voice 6: septic report that was requested before the application, and he seemed very confused as

[1:27:02] Voice 6: to why something else was being asked for because he thought that he covered um that in his septic

[1:27:09] Voice 6: report um but if there's more information required i'll have to go back to him and get that um the

[1:27:18] Voice 6: neotech reporter is a separate report um and it's hard i guess the big thing was to start to design

[1:27:25] Voice 6: an insectic system for something that we don't know what to build yet

[1:27:28] Voice 10: right

[1:27:29] Voice 6: so that's very clear

[1:27:32] Voice 6: but you know um yeah that's something uh the reason why i couldn't do it over the winters

[1:27:42] Voice 6: i'm a seasonal business and there's you know the money wasn't there to come up with a couple more

[1:27:48] Voice 6: more expensive reports at

[1:27:51] Voice 2: that time, so.

[1:27:55] Voice 2: Okay,

[1:27:56] Voice 7: well, so thank you.

[1:27:58] Voice 7: Just wanna say, you know, it's a process

[1:28:01] Voice 7: that we're involved in just keeping applications flowing.

[1:28:04] Voice 7: So it's not a bias, particularly for your situation,

[1:28:08] Voice 7: but it sounds to me like if the hydrologist

[1:28:11] Voice 7: was to communicate with staff,

[1:28:12] Voice 7: he could figure out what the questions are

[1:28:14] Voice 7: that are necessary to be answered to create a report.

[1:28:17] Voice 7: Would that be accurate?

[1:28:18] Voice 7: I

[1:28:19] Voice 8: think that's ideal. There was a planning consultant involved earlier on. I understand that planners are no longer involved with the applicants, so we would strongly recommend that we provide some clarity on the terms and examples of what that report needs to address, so that there's no misconceptions around the standard of information and the extent of investigation that's required.

[1:28:42] Voice 8: Great.

[1:28:46] Voice 7: So maybe trustees have some questions,

[1:28:48] Voice 7: but ideally we're trying to create opportunities

[1:28:52] Voice 7: for success, you know,

[1:28:53] Voice 7: if everything meets all the requirements

[1:28:55] Voice 7: and all that sort of stuff.

[1:28:56] Voice 7: And so obviously providing an extension

[1:28:59] Voice 7: would be perhaps helpful

[1:29:00] Voice 7: if you want to continue to proceed.

[1:29:02] Voice 7: And we're looking for that confirmation.

[1:29:04] Voice 7: So that's good news.

[1:29:05] Voice 7: So trustees, what would you like to do?

[1:29:07] Voice 7: Do you have any questions?

[1:29:09] Voice 8: Well, no comments.

[1:29:10] Voice 8: comments um i have read the staff report thank you very much for the clarity i would never

[1:29:18] Voice 8: uh agree with moving forward with this without those two essential reports the groundwater

[1:29:26] Voice 8: supply and the septic disposal they are absolutely essential for this to move forward but i would be

[1:29:33] Voice 8: certainly willing to extend the deadline if the applicants thought that those two reports

[1:29:41] Voice 8: would be coming in within the next six months or so

[1:29:45] Voice 4: okay trustee ellen yes

[1:29:47] Voice 8: thank you um so i was just reading the original staff report

[1:29:51] Voice 8: and the plans for redevelopment um so do you still intend to incrementally redevelop

[1:30:00] Voice 8: as opportunities arise and i'll note that you're requesting zoning flexibility to accommodate

[1:30:06] Voice 8: future expansion of existing commercial uses to include retail sales rentals personal services

[1:30:12] Voice 8: restaurant bakeries food truck and accessory offices um and then two welling units so it is

[1:30:22] Voice 8: a bit hard to i mean i can understand how you have a hard time having a septic plan when you don't

[1:30:28] Voice 8: know what the what your building plan is going to include do you have any more clarity on how you'd

[1:30:35] Voice 8: like to develop property

[1:30:36] Voice 6: um in my mind it's going to happen fairly slowly because um i'm not a big

[1:30:43] Voice 6: developer i don't have buckets of money i don't have financial partners um so initially i'm

[1:30:50] Voice 6: thinking a food truck you know with maybe a portable toilet and as you know my my vision is

[1:30:58] Voice 6: still kind of the goats on the roof vibe and slow additions as as it can happen you know it's not

[1:31:10] Voice 6: going to be a here's what we're going to build and next week we're going to start construction

[1:31:15] Voice 6: sort of thing it's going to be step by step slowly over time so um that's why it's hard for me to

[1:31:22] Voice 6: plan a septic system for that but um i'll do whatever we need to do to make it work

[1:31:32] Voice 6: it'll be an organic

[1:31:33] Voice 6: growth well and

[1:31:35] Voice 8: it's hard for us to imagine zoning something that we don't know

[1:31:40] Voice 8: what the plan is for so you see

[1:31:41] Voice 8: where that's a bit of a we do need to work together on how that

[1:31:46] Voice 8: development is going to look so that we approve zoning that you know goes through the process so

[1:31:52] Voice 8: organic i fully support organic processes i love them um as we know um doing anything in community

[1:32:00] Voice 8: we do need to sort of have all the pieces so that

[1:32:03] Voice 8: everyone's informed

[1:32:04] Voice 6: in my mind the place is

[1:32:07] Voice 6: It's been commercially known for only five years.

[1:32:12] Voice 6: When it was open, it was very, very restrictive.

[1:32:15] Voice 6: Right,

[1:32:16] Voice 8: one retail garden, farm supply, nursery store business.

[1:32:20] Voice 6: And I'm told these days we wouldn't do things that way.

[1:32:25] Voice 6: So I guess I'm just trying to level the playing field.

[1:32:30] Voice 6: I've got lots of competition coming at me from all over the place.

[1:32:33] Voice 6: Anything new that opens up wants to do what I'm doing,

[1:32:35] Voice 6: but i can't do anything else okay um which is not a good recipe for success um so being allowed to

[1:32:44] Voice 6: add in other little businesses and i'm not you know i'm really trying to create places for other

[1:32:52] Voice 6: people to do different things not necessarily that i want to do more things so that's kind of

[1:32:57] Voice 6: work

[1:32:58] Voice 2: okay

[1:32:59] Voice 7: so um

[1:33:00] Voice 7: how much time so how much time do you think

[1:33:04] Voice 6: you need to fulfill that obligation

[1:33:06] Voice 6: i'm sure these months would be plenty i mean the water would probably be less than a month

[1:33:12] Voice 6: and a half i'm thinking um and the septic thing i'm not going to talk about that anymore i guess

[1:33:19] Voice 6: okay so susan do you have time

[1:33:22] Voice 8: well there's a couple more comments um you know in the background

[1:33:25] Voice 8: background information of the things that you would like to do all of these things that you

[1:33:31] Voice 8: would like to do more retail sales personal services restaurants bakeries food truck as

[1:33:37] Voice 8: well as two new residential densities those all require a lot more water and a lot more septic

[1:33:45] Voice 8: disposal than a garden center does so that's why these reports are so important i was on the

[1:33:52] Voice 8: original local trust committee that approved the original rezoning and i can tell

[1:34:00] Voice 8: you that was a

[1:34:01] Voice 8: very difficult and fraught decision even just to get that limited commercial zoning and it was

[1:34:10] Voice 8: limited specifically to a garden center for a very good reason and along with that zoning it was

[1:34:19] Voice 8: actually an amenity something

[1:34:20] Voice 10: along

[1:34:22] Voice 8: with that the landowner donated the land for the gabriel island

[1:34:26] Voice 8: recycling organization that was part of that rezoning so maybe we wouldn't do that as you

[1:34:33] Voice 8: mentioned in this day and age we did a pretty darn good job yeah

[1:34:38] Voice 6: no i'm not saying that and

[1:34:40] Voice 8: the community benefited greatly from that reason and it was limited because the public at that time

[1:34:47] Voice 8: did not want a lot more commercial development in that area we think differently now because

[1:34:55] Voice 8: we see our village as expanding but at

[1:34:57] Voice 8: that time that was 1991 um that's what the public desired

[1:35:07] Voice 2: so um do

[1:35:10] Voice 7: you want to provide an extension on this yes so an emotion to that

[1:35:15] Voice 7: But is that in the, I think it's actually covered in the office.

[1:35:19] Voice 8: No,

[1:35:20] Voice 7: you can just

[1:35:20] Voice 8: use the resolution.

[1:35:23] Voice 8: You could use the recommendation and just change the date.

[1:35:27] Voice 7: Right.

[1:35:29] Voice 7: Which is in the.

[1:35:31] Voice 7: So

[1:35:31] Voice 8: it's going to be November 30th, 2023.

[1:35:35] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:35:35] Voice 8: Sorry, the year is incorrect.

[1:35:37] Voice 8: Oh, no, it's correct.

[1:35:38] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:35:39] Voice 10: So

[1:35:39] Voice 8: I'll move that the applicant be provided with an extension.

[1:35:44] Voice 8: Again,

[1:35:45] Voice 7: the Black Trust Committee.

[1:35:47] Voice 7: yeah sorry

[1:35:48] Voice 8: the new elections for the request that staff provide the applicants

[1:35:56] Voice 10: gb

[1:35:56] Voice 8: airs at 2022.1 with an extension well november 31st 2023.

[1:36:04] Voice 8: thank you 2023 to complete these two fire reports reports i'll second that

[1:36:14] Voice 8: moved

[1:36:15] Voice 6: and seconded thank you

[1:36:16] Voice 7: toby um any further discussion almost okay thank you so there you go

[1:36:24] Voice 7: okay we'll get that done and is it okay yeah of course thanks so

[1:36:28] Voice 8: long to see you later

[1:36:33] Voice 8: take care

[1:36:39] Voice 2: we're at news

[1:36:40] Voice 7: i mean why would you want to finish this section

[1:36:43] Voice 7: and start with the correspondence if they know there's something here if they're interested in

[1:36:47] Voice 7: that yeah and then perhaps we'll have a brief break and then we'll continue with reports

[1:36:55] Voice 7: um is that all right yes and it's looking at uh and then we've got an in-camera session

[1:37:01] Voice 7: uh coming up so let us then go to section uh no delegations today no local trust committee

[1:37:07] Voice 7: projects today so let's go to correspondence the first item is correspondence from um

[1:37:17] Voice 2: that's on page 22. So yeah, we sort

[1:37:30] Voice 7: of touched on that earlier a little bit. I think Bella

[1:37:34] Voice 7: and her fellow person are dealing with this here. We might have some remarks to add or

[1:37:40] Voice 7: share as we touch on this with the trustees. But we've all read that. There was some conversation

[1:37:47] Voice 7: earlier just for your knowledge and support from other audience members um or um you can read what's

[1:37:57] Voice 7: in the letters of the language about what we might do with respect to that obviously we have a process

[1:38:02] Voice 7: when there are concerns that that needs to be added accordingly but um um perhaps there's some

[1:38:09] Voice 7: questions i know i had a question that i tabled which is how long have those rocks been there

[1:38:14] Voice 7: and why it's all the way down that quote quote all the way across covers miles of shoreline

[1:38:24] Voice 7: but trustees what are your thoughts with respect to that letter and the other correspondence

[1:38:28] Voice 7: associated with it and do you have any questions for the for either the individual or for a

[1:38:35] Voice 7: management manager much of this is incompetence sort of thing but i'll let you make sure we don't

[1:38:43] Voice 7: sway off of the track so it's true yeah trustees well

[1:38:47] Voice 8: thank you for the letter and actually thank

[1:38:51] Voice 8: you to nick doe for um adding to the context i think it's really important to understand

[1:38:57] Voice 8: the you know the larger picture so i appreciate that i just um the first page of your letter i

[1:39:04] Voice 8: don't know if it's just uh you left something off but your last paragraph says another connection

[1:39:09] Voice 8: with my surveyor and another bill the survey showed that this so-called structure that rocks

[1:39:15] Voice 8: is not on my property correct okay but it's okay but it's still because it's in the porch or

[1:39:27] Voice 8: you're the one having to remove it that's what i'm confused about if it's not on the property why are

[1:39:34] Voice 8: you why so

[1:39:35] Voice 8: if it was on my property i would have to apply for that right so i'm about to let him

[1:39:42] Voice 8: And though it's not in my prophecy, though I was informed it's not in the prophecy, then we need the Crown Tenure.

[1:39:48] Voice 8: Crown Tenure,

[1:39:49] Voice 8: all removed by June 15.

[1:39:52] Voice 8: Okay, thank you.

[1:39:53] Voice 8: That's the part I was figuring out the pieces.

[1:39:58] Voice 8: It's obviously not familiar with all the...

[1:40:02] Voice 8: For sure.

[1:40:04] Voice 8: Do you have any questions?

[1:40:06] Voice 8: I have some comments and questions.

[1:40:10] Voice 8: This goes back a long way.

[1:40:11] Voice 8: It goes back to, I think, 2001, you know, when DFO was contacted regarding constructing a seawall.

[1:40:20] Voice 8: And, of course, DFO would not approve construction of a seawall because it's really bad for foreshore habitat.

[1:40:31] Voice 8: But in all these last, you know, 20, 30 years, rocks have been put all along that foreshore.

[1:40:40] Voice 8: They've been there for a really long time.

[1:40:42] Voice 8: I mean, I know I'm not there yet.

[1:40:44] Voice 7: So what do you mean by really long time?

[1:40:47] Voice 7: I'd like to nail that down.

[1:40:48] Voice 8: 20 years.

[1:40:49] Voice 8: 20?

[1:40:50] Voice 8: Well, maybe more.

[1:40:51] Voice 8: Well, it

[1:40:51] Voice 7: seems like a long time to me.

[1:40:53] Voice 7: Yeah, you're right.

[1:40:54] Voice 8: I mean, probably 2000, year 2000.

[1:40:59] Voice 8: So regardless of whether DFO calls it a structure or not,

[1:41:03] Voice 8: we know what it looks like.

[1:41:04] Voice 8: But we mostly are concerned about the environmental impact.

[1:41:07] Voice 8: That's our real concern.

[1:41:10] Voice 8: certainly wendy shaw's property is not the only one with those you know that kind of

[1:41:16] Voice 8: rocks among there i am just so grateful that they're not cement walls yeah i

[1:41:22] Voice 8: am so grateful

[1:41:23] Voice 8: that they are not hard hard structures because i know from you doing you know years of environmental

[1:41:31] Voice 8: environmental work that the last thing you want to do even with climate change and even with

[1:41:37] Voice 8: you know huge waves crashing up and cave tides and all that kind of stuff the last thing you

[1:41:42] Voice 8: should do is put a heart of all structure anywhere even if you're trying to protect your property

[1:41:49] Voice 8: so i'm very glad it's not that um i think that mistakes were made originally when dfo was

[1:41:56] Voice 8: contacted about what was okay and what wasn't okay and maybe maybe that wasn't okay but certainly

[1:42:05] Voice 8: you know it does not there does not seem to be any point at this juncture in

[1:42:14] Voice 8: and having a byline fraction followed through with anything punishing well it just doesn't

[1:42:22] Voice 8: make sense to me at all. And, you know, I read all of the letters from the neighbours,

[1:42:29] Voice 8: and they all make very good points. You know, the rocks are everywhere, all along that whole

[1:42:37] Voice 8: area.

[1:42:40] Voice 7: So what I'm sort of gathering here, being a stranger to the island really, is that let's

[1:42:47] Voice 7: call it 20 plus years that these rocks have been there. And that they, I heard earlier

[1:42:53] Voice 7: that they that these rocks extend over 20 individual properties along that roadway

[1:42:59] Voice 7: clearly this didn't happen overnight it must have happened in some systematic fashion and i don't

[1:43:06] Voice 7: know if you have the ability to contribute any information to that knowledge but i'm presuming

[1:43:11] Voice 7: also that in this 20 years there's never been a complaint per se not that there shouldn't have

[1:43:17] Voice 7: have been but when the wall was being constructed but do we have any notion of the historical

[1:43:23] Voice 7: context is kind of what I'm trying to gather here because indeed in other places where there's been

[1:43:29] Voice 7: this kind of I'm going to call it damage to the shoreline we have to balance the additional damage

[1:43:37] Voice 7: of removing it versus the restoration of removing it and so

[1:43:43] Voice 7: it's a difficult question and I know

[1:43:45] Voice 7: If you and I talk about this on other properties around the Rhode Island.

[1:43:50] Voice 3: So, Chair, from the letter that I have here that was supplied by Wendy,

[1:43:56] Voice 3: it was built in the summer of 2002.

[1:43:58] Voice 3: So it's almost 21 years old.

[1:44:00] Voice 5: The whole wall?

[1:44:02] Voice 3: On this property.

[1:44:04] Voice 3: Not the rest of the properties.

[1:44:06] Voice 3: Don't have specific complaints against that section of the Embry-Wall.

[1:44:12] Voice 3: There was a complaint regarding this property and structures being too close

[1:44:16] Voice 3: to the natural boundary of the sea and so in the course of following all

[1:44:19] Voice 3: that up they had

[1:44:20] Voice 3: discovered that this wall was there constructed in 2002 after they contacted dfo about you know

[1:44:30] Voice 3: whether or not permitted they were allowed to do this what dmo provides is recommendations on how

[1:44:35] Voice 3: to do the least amount of damage and don't damage this habitat right they stated the letter it's not

[1:44:42] Voice 3: an approval right and that the people that the property owner is supposed to contact other

[1:44:48] Voice 3: agencies including municipal and regional districts about uh bylaws that are in place

[1:44:55] Voice 3: and this would have contravened the bylaw when it was

[1:44:58] Voice 3: constructed so

[1:44:59] Voice 7: what you're saying in 2002

[1:45:01] Voice 7: that wall was constructed yes after they received a letter that said that this is not an approval

[1:45:06] Voice 3: yes it gives recommendations here's how to construct this is really what it is there's

[1:45:11] Voice 3: a total of 15 guidelines here recommendations on how to do the work to minimize any damage to fish

[1:45:17] Voice 3: habitat in the foreshore and then at the end there's a paragraph that said it doesn't constitute

[1:45:22] Voice 3: an approval for any type of harmful alteration disruptor disrupting the event they're starting

[1:45:28] Voice 3: to have fish habitat did they stipulate that at least what you're required uh no the federal

[1:45:34] Voice 3: government would require lease but the province would have required one uh and approval would have

[1:45:43] Voice 3: been required

[1:45:43] Voice 7: from okay so maybe wendy shah are you the one that built the wall or somebody before

[1:45:50] Voice 7: my

[1:45:50] Voice 8: late husband actually we bought property in 2001. my late husband dealt with the property with

[1:45:57] Voice 8: the name directly next door so going to dfo we actually went to the coast guard first and kind

[1:46:08] Voice 8: of found out information what we could do um and then we went to dfo and chatted with someone and

[1:46:17] Voice 8: got more information with our neighbor so we both got the letter that mr bingham was talking about

[1:46:25] Voice 8: And it is actually not a permit to do it, but you can do it if you follow these guidelines.

[1:46:34] Voice 8: That's all we had at the time. There was no Islands Trust to go to, not that I recall, and we did do our homework.

[1:46:42] Voice 7: We've been established in 1974.

[1:46:45] Voice 8: No, sorry, I meant with this particular issue.

[1:46:49] Voice 8: Don't remember, it's not a wall, there's no cement.

[1:46:51] Voice 8: and then it's called the structure because it's on the ground it's some rocks the logs are there's

[1:46:57] Voice 8: massive boulders that have been there they were already there when we moved there in 2001

[1:47:02] Voice 8: and the huge old old log that locked up that's there and kind of the rocks are around it you

[1:47:09] Voice 8: can probably see from the picture so okay so my um next door neighbor um did it exactly the same

[1:47:19] Voice 8: this is one continuation for over an acre I guess you know of two heartbreaker properties it goes

[1:47:26] Voice 8: all the way that's we just did our best at the time that's that's what we did we got the last

[1:47:32] Voice 8: and we followed the guys guidelines and I mean I know a few of the names of scotch followed

[1:47:39] Voice 8: the same guidelines still have they have that left and we have those office I thought that's

[1:47:44] Voice 8: we have at the time and maybe

[1:47:48] Voice 7: there's one more question i'll go to my name just so the other

[1:47:51] Voice 7: miles um shoreline which has been impacted here has obviously happened before or after that event

[1:48:00] Voice 3: chair yeah probably in years before it's probably gone on for decades yeah it's just the unfortunate

[1:48:07] Voice 3: part of it is that they keep adding to it yeah not necessarily on this property but once it's there

[1:48:12] Voice 3: people keep adding more raw and say well it was there in the first place so I'm just maintaining

[1:48:20] Voice 3: maybe we need to and it becomes a vicious cycle of it just keeps getting bigger and bigger in

[1:48:25] Voice 8: certain

[1:48:26] Voice 3: circumstances no okay well

[1:48:28] Voice 8: may I just make a comment it isn't really interesting because the

[1:48:32] Voice 8: point you brought up about protecting Indigenous cultural heritage and then in essence if residents

[1:48:39] Voice 8: keep sort of protecting the seawall and the cultural heritage that's below it um you know

[1:48:47] Voice 8: it does beg the question who's on whose behalf are we doing this and so it's tricky and so in

[1:48:54] Voice 8: weighing this out like we have to weigh the different interests but i take into account

[1:48:59] Voice 8: the intent right the intent is really important to understand and then the looking forward what

[1:49:04] Voice 8: what is going to be the effect and so that is a significant effect it's like once the structure

[1:49:09] Voice 8: the rocks are in place you know we keep adding to it but what happens when you know someone comes

[1:49:16] Voice 8: along and says well we want to uncover that because those have you know ancestors remains

[1:49:21] Voice 8: there and so that's a whole other conversation so I personally wouldn't want to undo something

[1:49:30] Voice 8: something until there is a really clear reason that this should be done and that we weigh out

[1:49:37] Voice 8: there's not going to be worse ecological damage by undoing it so but also that we're not

[1:49:47] Voice 8: continuing to cover up what is definitely mitten and you know important cultural heritage so is

[1:49:55] Voice 8: Is there a way to say to residents, stop putting rocks here, stop modifying the shoreline,

[1:50:03] Voice 8: but also not penalize those who, you know, with good intent, did the best they can,

[1:50:08] Voice 8: could at the time, followed what they thought were instructions for how to do it well.

[1:50:14] Voice 8: What's that balance is kind of what I'm looking for.

[1:50:18] Voice 8: There are a few groups out there as well now that are studying all that and doing experiments in different places.

[1:50:26] Voice 8: by using natural

[1:50:28] Voice 8: materials. So I

[1:50:30] Voice 8: think it's kind of, it's just not

[1:50:32] Voice 8: there yet. Like it's

[1:50:34] Voice 8: to

[1:50:35] Voice 10: me, it's like leave

[1:50:36] Voice 8: what's there, leave it right

[1:50:38] Voice 8: now. Maybe more when we come up

[1:50:40] Voice 8: with a guidelines,

[1:50:42] Voice 8: proper guidelines, permits,

[1:50:44] Voice 8: whatever it tends to.

[1:50:46] Voice 8: Can we make you the caretaker of making sure

[1:50:48] Voice 8: that nobody else puts more rocks

[1:50:50] Voice 8: there?

[1:50:53] Voice 8: I think Planner Jammeret had a

[1:50:55] Voice 8: comment. Yeah.

[1:50:55] Voice 10: Thank

[1:50:56] Voice 8: you to the chair. So

[1:50:58] Voice 8: this is a part of correspondence. So I'm mindful to recognize for discussion, if this, if it's a desire for you to want to request a donation of this letter any future actions coming from this correspondence.

[1:51:16] Voice 8: That's really the opportunity to create time.

[1:51:19] Voice 8: And if this requires further direction or, well, so this is merely just capturing the correspondence case, and if it's a desire for the trustees to make a direction for staff to

[1:51:35] Voice 10: invite

[1:51:35] Voice 8: the person providing the letter to come back and make a presentation, that could be, that could be something that could be done.

[1:51:43] Voice 8: Just mindful of, we usually receive correspondence and we don't really reach too much into the conversation.

[1:51:49] Voice 8: Right.

[1:51:50] Voice 7: yeah i just wanted to understand the context of it more and so indeed i think if we want to do

[1:51:56] Voice 7: anything we need to ask staff to provide us with options about how and

[1:52:01] Voice 8: that gives the opportunity

[1:52:02] Voice 8: for the um the owner writing the letter to be prepared and and um and for staff if there's any

[1:52:08] Voice 8: information requested but it also happens okay

[1:52:12] Voice 7: so do we have any more questions for the applicant

[1:52:16] Voice 7: of your staff at this time and really want to ask staff for a report or options associated with this

[1:52:24] Voice 8: couple questions um if this uh bylaw complaint action were to be dropped does that also mean

[1:52:32] Voice 8: that the that wendy shaw does not have to apply for a crown tenure because that seems kind of

[1:52:40] Voice 8: crazy that she would have to apply for a crown tenure when all of the other people along that

[1:52:46] Voice 8: same shoreline have the same structures in front of the place so

[1:52:52] Voice 3: so a chair is still is still

[1:52:53] Voice 3: trespassed they're still trespassing in the crown land it's not there lawfully until they get

[1:52:58] Voice 3: permission from the crown for it to be there but

[1:53:00] Voice 7: that would be up

[1:53:01] Voice 3: to the crown

[1:53:01] Voice 7: to yes

[1:53:02] Voice 3: it's up to

[1:53:02] Voice 3: the province it's their land and it's up to them to take any action that the local trust committee

[1:53:08] Voice 3: ultimately decides not to pursue any type of enforcement right

[1:53:12] Voice 7: but we need to provide that

[1:53:15] Voice 7: direction to you based upon more clear information at some point in the future okay that's helpful

[1:53:20] Voice 8: thank you yeah i mean i'm always concerned when i know that heavy machinery has been used on that

[1:53:26] Voice 8: foreshore obviously for a long time for many many dwellings along there and you know the last thing

[1:53:33] Voice 8: you want to see is earth moving machinery on the foreshore or putting those rocks in place

[1:53:38] Voice 8: i for one do not want to see any more of that happening but i for one also do not want to see

[1:53:45] Voice 8: uh i would like to see this whole procedure dropped as far as a bylaw complaint even though

[1:53:54] Voice 8: i totally disagree with altering the foreshore i just don't think that this this is not the

[1:54:02] Voice 8: right place to pursue protecting them for sure but we're back to shoreline zoning regional planning

[1:54:10] Voice 8: so i i would like to request staff i'd like to make a motion that we gave you on the local

[1:54:18] Voice 8: trust committee request staff to write a report on this correspondence

[1:54:27] Voice 2: to indicate appropriate

[1:54:31] Voice 8: appropriate direction for us to take.

[1:54:33] Voice 2: Is that reasonable?

[1:54:36] Voice 2: Yeah, absolutely.

[1:54:38] Voice 2: And

[1:54:38] Voice 8: with options and recommendations?

[1:54:41] Voice 8: They always provide those.

[1:54:42] Voice 8: To indicate which

[1:54:44] Voice 8: direction we should take, I don't know.

[1:54:47] Voice 7: Do you want to hear that back?

[1:54:49] Voice 8: Yes, please.

[1:54:50] Voice 8: The giver of the local trust committee

[1:54:53] Voice 8: requests after a report on

[1:54:55] Voice 8: this correspondence to indicate

[1:54:57] Voice 8: the appropriate direction to take.

[1:54:59] Voice 5: So

[1:54:59] Voice 7: just say correspondence from Charlotte

[1:55:01] Voice 7: they indicate both fit thank

[1:55:03] Voice 2: you now

[1:55:06] Voice 8: second second

[1:55:07] Voice 2: any further discussion all those in favor

[1:55:10] Voice 2: okay thank

[1:55:11] Voice 8: you thank you mr dean and also for your your help on this yeah

[1:55:15] Voice 7: so thank you for

[1:55:16] Voice 7: your letters and all the other letters from everybody but we need to consider

[1:55:21] Voice 7: the right actions okay so let us move along then uh the next one is the course runs from

[1:55:31] Voice 7: the dead rose society um i think we have distributed this the executive committee

[1:55:37] Voice 7: actually i think we distributed it to local trust committees to ensure that the word gets out i

[1:55:41] Voice 7: think it was emailed to all trustees um is there some specific direction you would like to take on

[1:55:47] Voice 7: gabriel here or of just receiving this recommendation well

[1:55:53] Voice 8: i would not like anything

[1:55:54] Voice 8: drops in the cracks so even though um it's gone to pen council and even though

[1:56:01] Voice 8: i know gloria hatfield at pages marina has given that to all the voters she knows everybody

[1:56:08] Voice 8: using that study i would like to have something specific trust committee um indicating to the

[1:56:17] Voice 8: dead boat disposal society that dengue bay is a crime area to be looking at well okay

[1:56:26] Voice 2: i would just say i

[1:56:28] Voice 7: think they're aware of that what they're asking for is specific vessels

[1:56:34] Voice 7: that's okay

[1:56:34] Voice 8: and that's not something that i can do yeah i don't know if more advocacy is needed

[1:56:40] Voice 8: because they've reached out to us and said we have

[1:56:42] Voice 8: this information so we need land over so yeah

[1:56:45] Voice 8: whoever

[1:56:46] Voice 7: you know

[1:56:48] Voice 8: in the green

[1:56:48] Voice 7: world okay get them to

[1:56:50] Voice 7: get uh because indeed they have that

[1:56:53] Voice 7: information and i know we have a marine society on tegas and they've gotten that figured out and

[1:56:58] Voice 7: they've sent the information in looks like by law enforcement's all over this go ahead uh so chair

[1:57:04] Voice 3: next week uh transport canada is coming to dignan bay hopefully i'll be able to get out with them

[1:57:10] Voice 3: i believe tuesday afternoon just trying to coordinate that they're actually doing a

[1:57:14] Voice 3: couple of violence we've been in conversation with them multiple times now uh there's already

[1:57:19] Voice 3: two boats that are slated to be removed from daggan bay the navigation protection officer

[1:57:25] Voice 3: will come and look at a boathouse that the property owner the property the yeah he's the

[1:57:30] Voice 3: owner of houseboat she's already agreed to move this uh houseboat it's in very poor condition

[1:57:37] Voice 3: and she's been in contact with the dead boats aside to get that removed uh transport canada

[1:57:42] Voice 3: should be assessing it next week and they may they put i guess they mark it put a sticker on it

[1:57:48] Voice 3: people 60 days to contact them and if it's you know considered derelict they'll remove it

[1:57:54] Voice 3: so there's already

[1:57:55] Voice 3: boats slated to be removed and we'll be able to get a better idea next week

[1:58:01] Voice 3: and some other boats that are of concern in there i think there's a couple more

[1:58:06] Voice 3: there's certainly some floats that we're trying to find out who owns them but

[1:58:09] Voice 3: they're not

[1:58:09] Voice 3: unmarked mooring buoys so that's difficult

[1:58:12] Voice 8: thank you that's very helpful

[1:58:16] Voice 7: yeah and just so you know it is a process right i think it's warren has hinted there

[1:58:21] Voice 7: They, the RCMP and the Coast Guard, working together,

[1:58:25] Voice 10: essentially

[1:58:25] Voice 7: ticket a vessel and say,

[1:58:29] Voice 7: contact us, otherwise we're going to consider

[1:58:31] Voice 7: this as abandoned or derelict.

[1:58:33] Voice 7: And they do that twice, even though the notice may disappear.

[1:58:37] Voice 7: And the assumption is the notice disappears off the vessel,

[1:58:40] Voice 7: that the owner of the vessel has taken it away

[1:58:42] Voice 7: and is, but not formally acknowledging it.

[1:58:46] Voice 7: And so then the third time they come

[1:58:47] Voice 7: and it's just happened on Thetis, they take the boat away.

[1:58:51] Voice 8: So one of the things I learned with the help of Warren Dingman

[1:58:57] Voice 8: is that it's really difficult, A, to track who the owners are

[1:59:01] Voice 8: of some of these abandoned vessels or floats or barges

[1:59:06] Voice 8: or whatever's out there.

[1:59:08] Voice 8: And even when you do find out who actually owns them,

[1:59:12] Voice 8: delivering a notice to a property owner is really difficult.

[1:59:16] Voice 7: It's posted

[1:59:17] Voice 8: on the vessel.

[1:59:17] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:59:18] Voice 8: But even then, like you say, it gets ripped off.

[1:59:21] Voice 8: but the other thing i forgot about is that you have to have a boat to get out to these places

[1:59:26] Voice 8: you can't just drive to the property and you know knock on the door and you actually have to get up

[1:59:30] Voice 8: there on the water and somebody has to then you can actually walk out

[1:59:34] Voice 2: to somebody else you

[1:59:35] Voice 8: know

[1:59:36] Voice 8: but

[1:59:37] Voice 7: on

[1:59:38] Voice 8: all the rides

[1:59:38] Voice 7: there's always somebody that knows somebody that knows so yeah yeah

[1:59:41] Voice 8: so you know

[1:59:42] Voice 8: just working with uh mr damon through previous um concerns i realize it's not a process tricky

[1:59:51] Voice 8: yeah yes thank you but

[1:59:53] Voice 7: there is action happening that's great

[1:59:54] Voice 8: and

[1:59:54] Voice 7: what we need to do is make sure they've got the information so they can act yeah

[2:00:00] Voice 7: yeah well

[2:00:00] Voice 8: gloria hatfield that page is green as she sent it to everybody she knows so that was

[2:00:04] Voice 8: great do you have anything else to add on this one

[2:00:06] Voice 3: no it's right we're in contact with the deadbolts

[2:00:09] Voice 7: thank you very much do we need to do any more no so how about we recess for lunch break and uh

[2:00:16] Voice 7: how much time do we run out with the staff you want 20 minutes to half an hour

[2:00:20] Voice 7: please

[2:00:21] Voice 8: schedule 30 minutes go back and

[2:00:23] Voice 8: meet back at one o'clock okay

[2:00:25] Voice 7: we have cable back yeah all

[2:00:27] Voice 8: All

[2:00:27] Voice 7: right, so that's recessed.

[2:00:28] Voice 7: It's a minute, and you'll look after a notice.

[2:00:30] Voice 7: And I'll share my screen.

[2:00:31] Voice 7: And so I'm going to actually pause recording and just maintain the...

[2:00:41] Voice 8: Well,

[2:00:42] Voice 7: maybe you can

[2:00:42] Voice 8: pause while I share my screen.

[2:00:43] Voice 7: Hmm?

[2:00:44] Voice 7: I

[2:00:44] Voice 8: can share my screen.

[2:00:45] Voice 8: Good.

[2:00:46] Voice 8: Or whatever you prefer.

[2:00:50] Voice 7: I'm just going to stop recording, and then I'll just restart it.

[2:00:53] Voice 7: The streaming will remain because

[2:00:56] Voice 2: you've got that notice up there,

[2:00:57] Voice 2: and I'm going to mute.

[2:30:35] Voice 2: All right. Welcome back, everybody, to the Gabriela

[2:31:00] Voice 7: Local Trust Committee meeting of May the 11th.

[2:31:06] Voice 7: Isn't time just passing us by quickly?

[2:31:10] Voice 7: I want to once again acknowledge that we're meeting.

[2:31:21] Voice 8: It says live streaming service is live, but are you seeing the picture of all of us?

[2:31:28] Voice 8: Because we're just so, I

[2:31:29] Voice 8: just see the picture.

[2:31:30] Voice 8: I

[2:31:36] Voice 2: think it might be a view.

[2:31:42] Voice 2: Oh, I'm sorry, video.

[2:31:43] Voice 2: Oh, I'm sorry.

[2:31:45] Voice 2: Thank you.

[2:31:46] Voice 2: There we go.

[2:31:47] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:31:47] Voice 7: So sorry about that, folks.

[2:31:49] Voice 7: We had some video filming.

[2:31:53] Voice 7: This is a meeting of May the 11th, and time is passing us by quickly.

[2:31:57] Voice 7: and um want to always every moment of my living and breathing days acknowledge that we're here

[2:32:04] Voice 7: living and working in coach territory and uh there's opportunities to learn more about the

[2:32:11] Voice 7: rich culture and history that is here um some of it is sad and there's a grief of surrounding

[2:32:19] Voice 7: events through the last 200 years but there's also uh joys and knowledge and learning to be

[2:32:26] Voice 7: had so let's celebrate all those things and and live peacefully on the land ideally

[2:32:36] Voice 7: we have managed to get ourselves all the way through to reports section 12 page 35 of the agenda

[2:32:48] Voice 7: and i'm going to just proceed on those items that i don't have anything listed for i'll pass over

[2:32:56] Voice 7: And so that takes us to 12.4, application report.

[2:33:03] Voice 8: Chair

[2:33:03] Voice 7: Luckin, if

[2:33:05] Voice 8: we could go back to 12.3, trust conservancy report.

[2:33:12] Voice 8: Oh, it said none there, but you have some.

[2:33:14] Voice 8: Well, we don't have a report per se,

[2:33:17] Voice 8: but we could have a quick discussion on the Elder Cedars Nature Reserve.

[2:33:26] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:33:27] Voice 8: um

[2:33:27] Voice 7: so ideally we would add that that is new business but i am flexibly yes i'm sorry and

[2:33:34] Voice 7: mostly that's so that the public knows yes what we're going to be speaking should have done that

[2:33:39] Voice 7: um so 12.3 at the trust conservancy report you would like to speak to the elder nature

[2:33:48] Voice 7: conservancy

[2:33:49] Voice 8: well um normally we would have a trust conservancy report on this but we're not

[2:33:55] Voice 8: meeting until may 30th toby and i are both on the island stress conservancy board which is good

[2:34:01] Voice 8: but a few weeks ago it came to our attention that the tree cutting that was to be done for

[2:34:08] Voice 8: danger trees in the elder cedar nature reserve was quite awful i don't know how other people

[2:34:18] Voice 8: could describe it it was quite shocking actually how many trees had been taken out

[2:34:23] Voice 8: and how they were cut right into the ground and so we will be discussing this in detail i know

[2:34:31] Voice 8: at our i was trust conservancy meeting on may 30th um but i just want i want people to know that

[2:34:41] Voice 8: i i was devastated when i walked into the elder cedar and i saw what had happened and it's a it's

[2:34:49] Voice 8: a whole series of mistakes it was mistakes on the way it was not supervised it was mistakes on when

[2:34:57] Voice 8: it happened it was mistakes on their plans made that they should have gone this way but those

[2:35:06] Voice 8: plans were not followed up and they were delayed but the work went ahead anyway and the work

[2:35:12] Voice 8: was shocking when we saw the results so i'll leave it at that i'm really not happy about what

[2:35:19] Voice 8: happened and i know we'll be talking about this in the main 30th okay

[2:35:24] Voice 7: thank you for that and i was

[2:35:27] Voice 7: also shocked to hear it when i heard the news of that um event anything further i

[2:35:34] Voice 8: will note that

[2:35:34] Voice 8: we're also going to be having a discussion um this is part of our the ltc's minor project of

[2:35:42] Voice 8: the ecological zone and so that's been referred to the trust conservancy to have a discussion on this

[2:35:49] Voice 8: proposed bylaw defining the ecological zone and particularly looking at passive recreation so

[2:35:57] Voice 8: the information is available on the islands trust website in current projects if people want to take

[2:36:05] Voice 8: a look proposed bylaw number 313 so that is the ecological zone that would apply to soul clean

[2:36:12] Voice 8: mich bay um the elder cedar nature reserve and so there's still a discussion to be had about what

[2:36:19] Voice 8: does ecological zone mean and what does passive recreation mean and so we just we're still in that

[2:36:27] Voice 8: reviewing the bylaws no decisions have been made but that's also on the agenda for the upcoming

[2:36:32] Voice 8: um may 30th meeting a

[2:36:35] Voice 2: good match yeah passive uh recreation

[2:36:42] Voice 2: it does

[2:36:44] Voice 8: yeah and so do nature reserves yes okay

[2:36:49] Voice 7: well thank you for that um seeing as we just

[2:36:51] Voice 7: talked about the choice conservancy report if you don't mind i'll take the liberty of saying that

[2:36:56] Voice 7: the uh the opening for an appointment by the province on the nature conservancy has been

[2:37:02] Voice 7: appointed and confirmed by the province and ken thomas a penelope counselor has been appointed

[2:37:09] Voice 7: into that role and i know a number of us are very excited about that

[2:37:13] Voice 8: i

[2:37:15] Voice 7: was delighted to hear them

[2:37:17] Voice 8: yeah yeah all

[2:37:19] Voice 7: right so then i'm going to go to 12.4 now application report date made second and

[2:37:26] Voice 7: i'm presuming that that is up to date and that's on page 35 and just look for another confirmation

[2:37:35] Voice 7: from there so are there any questions on the items on

[2:37:38] Voice 2: the application slot

[2:37:45] Voice 8: um well one one quick question um uh gabriel like emory's permit 2023.1

[2:37:53] Voice 8: 23.1

[2:37:55] Voice 8: 20 23.1 yeah um at 1100 berry point road was for a short-term vacation rental right so

[2:38:05] Voice 8: So my question will always be, when I see that, oh, the application is closed, are they then operating without a permit?

[2:38:17] Voice 8: It's reopened.

[2:38:18] Voice 8: Or it says reopened, but then withdrawn.

[2:38:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): But

[2:38:22] Voice 8: look at the dates.

[2:38:23] Voice 8: Oh, okay.

[2:38:24] Voice 8: Sorry, sorry.

[2:38:26] Voice 8: Withdrawn here, reopened here.

[2:38:27] Voice 8: Oh, okay.

[2:38:28] Voice 8: Sorry.

[2:38:29] Voice 8: It's been reopened to have a temporary reuse permit.

[2:38:33] Voice 8: So we'll see what happens with that.

[2:38:36] Voice 2: Yes.

[2:38:37] Voice 2: that's

[2:38:37] Voice 8: correct i was looking at the dates backwards but

[2:38:41] Voice 7: just for context if a location

[2:38:43] Voice 7: had been withdrawn and it was a the application was made due to violent enforcement once the

[2:38:50] Voice 7: application was drawn violent of course means it continued yes yes

[2:38:53] Voice 8: and that's good to know as well

[2:38:56] Voice 8: thank you yeah okay

[2:38:58] Voice 7: anything else on the application no okay great thank you everybody

[2:39:02] Voice 7: ready to work um trustee local expense report dated marks that's there for our information if

[2:39:08] Voice 7: you have any concerns you need to raise it with the finance staff i

[2:39:12] Voice 8: do have a question though

[2:39:13] Voice 8: this came from another ltc so i thought i would ask it here uh because um so these reports are

[2:39:22] Voice 8: ending march 2023 we're now into may is it possible to get sort of a year to date spending

[2:39:28] Voice 8: do you think it's

[2:39:30] Voice 7: cumulative yeah so

[2:39:32] Voice 7: in the report yes

[2:39:33] Voice 8: so april has just not been counted yet and

[2:39:36] Voice 7: no because the year end is just closed and it just takes the next report

[2:39:41] Voice 7: will give you yeah okay and

[2:39:43] Voice 7: the previous years indicated as well i think

[2:39:46] Voice 8: okay if i take through the chair we just squeeze this

[2:39:50] Voice 8: expense report from okay so just okay good to know um so it's always our we keep our best as

[2:39:58] Voice 8: we get the information updated to send you the precious update and then the march 30th is the

[2:40:04] Voice 8: end of the fiscal year so april will be the beginning of this current 2023-2024 it's just

[2:40:12] Voice 8: a question from another ltc they said why can't we have a current to date and i was like it's

[2:40:16] Voice 8: probably because we're in audit season and everybody's doing what they can so thanks

[2:40:22] Voice 8: for the timing on that okay

[2:40:25] Voice 2: so adopted policies standing

[2:40:29] Voice 7: around solutions unless there's anything

[2:40:31] Voice 7: there that is recommended to change the ltt members want to change that was received information

[2:40:39] Voice 8: just note that this writing the the letters of first nations reintroducing trustees and

[2:40:45] Voice 8: staff i've heard is in like imminent delivery so we're really looking forward to that yeah

[2:40:52] Voice 8: um according to that so

[2:40:55] Voice 7: 12.7 trust committee web page it's normally updated unless there's

[2:41:00] Voice 7: something unusual that we want to update then continue on thank you uh next item the annual

[2:41:07] Voice 7: report trust council's annual report together or section um looking for a decision to support

[2:41:14] Voice 7: what's been provided to you otherwise if there's any amendments let's make amendments and then

[2:41:20] Voice 7: And both trustees want to sign in here.

[2:41:23] Voice 7: Just

[2:41:24] Voice 8: that I think the Elder Cedar Nature Reserve, we should have the traditional name in there as well.

[2:41:30] Voice 8: It's now known as Sultry Spade Nature Reserve.

[2:41:40] Voice 4: And

[2:41:41] Voice 7: anything else, Susan?

[2:41:44] Voice 8: Yes, I was exactly going to ask that same thing.

[2:41:47] Voice 8: oh perfect um but i just have another quick question um in all of the annual reports from

[2:41:53] Voice 8: each of the ltcs do they talk about election of two new trustees or is that just a given that

[2:41:58] Voice 8: this is like

[2:41:58] Voice 8: that it's we have an election and yeah you know for this whole next term

[2:42:05] Voice 8: is that just assumed that that's yeah

[2:42:09] Voice 7: i talked to you on that in my letter for my portion of the

[2:42:13] Voice 7: of what the studio does right okay and uh and of course the province is well aware of the context

[2:42:19] Voice 7: of the election that's for sure right but yeah and

[2:42:22] Voice 2: this is this

[2:42:23] Voice 7: is um this report is for what

[2:42:26] Voice 7: i consider to be our shareholder um this is what we're doing i mean it's just

[2:42:32] Voice 8: looking at the

[2:42:33] Voice 8: wording including the second phase impact review of housing options that doesn't actually sound

[2:42:41] Voice 8: right the ltc will continue also continue its work around key projects including the second phase

[2:42:47] Voice 8: of the housing options and impacts review project like it's just got the wording wrong

[2:42:54] Voice 8: that we can

[2:42:55] Voice 7: what would you recommend through the

[2:42:56] Voice 8: chair we can work on that grammatical

[2:42:58] Voice 8: yeah it's it sounds so second phase okay so

[2:43:02] Voice 7: then therefore um let's get a motion to

[2:43:07] Voice 7: advance this as amended sure

[2:43:13] Voice 8: i'll look at the gabriela island committee approve the attached text with amendments

[2:43:20] Voice 8: for inclusion in the 2022-23 annual report for approval by trust council and submitting

[2:43:27] Voice 8: to the minister of municipal affairs second now moved

[2:43:32] Voice 7: and seconded any further discussion

[2:43:36] Voice 7: all right here we come to 12.9 a housing accelerator fund potential application

[2:43:43] Voice 7: this is an rfd it's on page 47 and you're not

[2:43:47] Voice 2: allowed to introduce it

[2:43:50] Voice 2: i see there is a stridus thank you for coming back so

[2:43:58] Voice 8: um i'll just um i'll move this over

[2:44:04] Voice 8: over and introduce Narissa, our Island Planner, Chadwick.

[2:44:08] Voice 8: She'll give you a brief overview of the staff report

[2:44:13] Voice 8: and the recommendations and any back end information

[2:44:16] Voice 8: that was requested from the special,

[2:44:19] Voice 8: the April 28th special meeting that we had

[2:44:22] Voice 8: to talk about this request.

[2:44:25] Voice 8: So Narissa, over to you.

[2:44:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): Thank you.

[2:44:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): Yeah, so there was a request at the April 28th meeting, you know, basically to provide some perspective on the housing options and impacts review and how that could potentially be used to help or move forward the, an application to the Cade and Mortgage and Housing, CMHC's housing accelerator fund.

[2:44:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): And so staff took some time to have a look at the housing's option impact review project as well, and the resulting report, the Gabriela Housing Matters report, and also the staff report that was presented on July 29th, 2021,

[2:45:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): 21 which essentially identified next steps for that project building off of the recommendations

[2:45:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): that were provided in the gabriella housing matters report um and it it really um you know

[2:45:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): just coming into this project um starting essentially a number of projects april 1st

[2:45:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): i hadn't had a chance to have a deep dive into any of this until um just last week or the week

[2:45:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): before what i'm losing time here um but that report that july 29th 2021 staff report is

[2:46:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): is very good in identifying how um how the work that was done housing options and impacts um

[2:46:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): review work and the and the and the resulting report could be moved forward um and um you know

[2:46:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): as i understand it there were sort of you know a variety of of um sort of logistical and

[2:46:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): administrative and political reasons why it didn't move forward, but it seems like a very

[2:46:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): good starting point for, to begin to have discussions about, related to the OCP review

[2:46:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): in general, and specifically housing. One of the processes that I've been engaged in

[2:46:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): in doing housing projects for main island and now beginning also on denman island

[2:46:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): is is doing a thorough review of what's already been done done and that's something that we were

[2:47:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): we were all we were also encouraging with the ocp review for gabriola which is is why we sort of

[2:47:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): kicked off the project with a discussion about what what are the materials out there what are

[2:47:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): the things that already have been done so there's you know this report there's a lot in that report

[2:47:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): there's a lot to build off of. And when I say that, it doesn't mean to say that I'm,

[2:47:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): you know, saying that everything in there is great, we should move forward. But it's always

[2:47:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): good to have something better than nothing. And there's a lot of somethings in that report,

[2:47:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): and probably some of the other material that I'll be looking at. So anyways, there's sort of two

[2:47:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): Two things I want to speak to specifically, one is this opportunity for applying to the funding and the other is staff's recommendations about how to move forward with the OCP review.

[2:48:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): So with respect to the funding, we've done some substantial thinking internally, staff, regional planning managers, the planning director, to get a real clear sense of what it would take to accelerate any LTC's project through this process.

[2:48:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): process. Main Island is moving forward because main island has had four years of housing project. So their community has been engaged many times in different ways. And they were, I've just, I've just finished their report relating to the application for this funding, and they were essentially right in the right timing to do that they were already at a point where they were ready to to develop an action plan.

[2:48:56] Planner Chadwick (probable): Um, um, Gabriel is not there, um, and to accelerate and, and the elements that are sort of required

[2:49:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): to accelerate a project or to move forward from this point, um, May the 11th to say end

[2:49:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): of June, which is not a lot of time, um, essentially six weeks of time, there would need to be

[2:49:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): an updated needs assessment a preliminary report with options because i really don't i i really

[2:49:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): couldn't support a process that didn't have a look at all of the options and um you know again have

[2:49:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): have some um some look at what's been done before um there'd be a that would inform the drafting of

[2:49:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): an action plan and uh and then a a an application submission would be made um an accelerated moving

[2:49:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): Moving at an accelerated rate would also potentially require additional meetings.

[2:49:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): There would be limited opportunity for community engagement.

[2:50:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): And the other key point here is that the benefit that Main Island has is that the CRD already has a Gulf Island housing, a strategic plan for housing and a number of initiatives under that.

[2:50:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): that, and one of which is related to subsidizing the development of accessory dwelling units.

[2:50:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): We as an organization can take money, but we can't distribute it to nonprofits or to

[2:50:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): private landowners, so we would have to have that conversation with the regional district

[2:50:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): and develop some kind of, and they would have to be willing to develop some kind of program

[2:50:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): to enable them to move that money.

[2:50:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): And that is a substantial administrative consideration

[2:50:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): because the CRD right now is starting to think

[2:50:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): in a very focused way

[2:51:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): about how to accelerate the development of their program

[2:51:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): to support Maine as a pilot for the Southern Gulf Islands

[2:51:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): and ultimately for the islands trust as a whole.

[2:51:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): um so reallocating staff uh resources to uh expedite a process for gabriola um would mean

[2:51:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): a lot of juggling around it would mean that the timelines for other major projects would be would

[2:51:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): have to be pushed ahead um very specifically the main housing project because um i'm sure that

[2:51:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): but if this was to happen, I'd play a major role.

[2:51:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): And, you know, that would mean,

[2:51:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): and I'm just beginning the housing work for Denman.

[2:51:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): It would mean pushing timelines

[2:51:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): for regional planning committee projects

[2:51:53] Planner Chadwick (probable): because we'd have to involve other staff

[2:51:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): to do some of the work,

[2:51:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): like the needs assessment update, for example.

[2:52:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): And we've got now, we do have a staff person

[2:52:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): and who we've got on uh hired as an auxiliary who is doing some major work for the regional

[2:52:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): planning committee and that's really our only potential resource here because other staff are

[2:52:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): you know are busy with other projects um but we there'd have to be a decision if you're going to

[2:52:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): pull somebody else off their project um and then there's um the additional time for the application

[2:52:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): process and then again additional administrative support that might be needed for additional

[2:52:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): meetings and and so forth so it would be quite um an effort to to move forward and staff don't

[2:52:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): feel like they're in a position to say to to make a decision whether this can happen or not it would

[2:52:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): it would really have to be a decision by the ec because it would have such a significant impact

[2:52:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): impact on the rest of on on staff resources so if if if um if gabriela didn't what did want to

[2:53:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): continue to explore this idea it would have to be a decision um that would would need to go to to to

[2:53:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): executive committee um so that's the you know that that's addressing recommendation one uh in terms

[2:53:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): of recommendation two which is is to um develop a public charter for the ocp and luv review that

[2:53:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): focuses on housing um i i would just um like to so what i want to point out here is that we do

[2:53:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): now have two other housing projects moving forward a significant focus for the the um

[2:53:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): OCP review will I'm quite certain be housing because there's so much talk about housing

[2:53:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): related to Gabriela when we do an OCP review we can't do everything all at once we can certainly

[2:54:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): identify the things that will be priorities and start to move through them logically and

[2:54:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): methodically, housing will likely be one of those. So it's about a sequencing here.

[2:54:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): If you choose to focus on housing now, you will be able to benefit from the efficiencies of having

[2:54:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): a single planner, myself, already working through two other housing projects. So there

[2:54:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): is the opportunity for all of those projects to inform each other.

[2:54:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): um if you choose not to go that route then um it will it will take you longer to get to

[2:54:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): where you might have a housing housing action plan um the value of having a housing action

[2:54:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): plan is that you then have you are ready to take advantage of other opportunities that may come

[2:54:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): your way um funding opportunities we don't know what they are um but as uh was trustee elliot had

[2:55:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): uh identified uh you know there there's some there's one and as we've already been seeing

[2:55:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): there's a movement federally and provincially and um we don't know whether it will continue it's

[2:55:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): really uncertain but having um a plan allows you to take advantage of those opportunities so if that

[2:55:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): that continues to be a focus for senior government for the next well five ten years then then you'll

[2:55:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): be ready um a good a significant piece of the housing work um will be what i mentioned earlier

[2:55:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): what we're calling suitable land analysis so the pro a project now that's being supported

[2:55:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): sort of a preliminary part of this is being supported by the regional planning committee

[2:55:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): is is for staff to start to look at all of the information that we currently have available to us

[2:55:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): to inform the, to inform where the suitable land is to, you know, add any additional

[2:56:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): intensity, density, or intensity of any kind, you know, but obviously housing is a key focus.

[2:56:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): So it will involve looking at the, you know, the groundwater data we have available,

[2:56:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): the ecological data we have available steep slopes other um information and essentially

[2:56:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): trying to create um a sort of heat map type tool that would identify the areas that are most

[2:56:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): vulnerable to being impacted by increased in density intensity of land use um and those that

[2:56:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): would be least least impacted so that's the project that's that that that we're we're starting

[2:56:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): starting to move move forward um it's going to involve a budget ask likely uh for the next fiscal

[2:56:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): uh it it will absolutely um a key key key key component is the groundwater availability

[2:57:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): assessments um absolutely key to this so um trying to source funding um for that um it may be that it

[2:57:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): it for gabriela it would be a a budget ask in the next fiscal as a as a key component of

[2:57:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): how of your ocp review regardless of whether you're focusing on housing as a as a as your

[2:57:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): first priority or um or anything else and i would also just like to speak to the fact that um you

[2:57:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): know climate change first nations these are all lenses that any kind of work that's being done

[2:57:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): and land use, those are lenses that are being brought to all of those projects. So it's not,

[2:57:52] Planner Chadwick (probable): they can't be, I mean it would be difficult to look at them in isolation and it would be,

[2:57:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): and we cannot be, we cannot be moving forward with projects without having those,

[2:58:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): that lens on anything that, any decisions that are made related to land use.

[2:58:07] Planner Chadwick (probable): So getting back to the option of focusing on housing in the OCP, it would not negate that integrated approach because that is the approach that is being encouraged and is being implemented on Maine and has been already used on Maine for one of the

[2:58:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): their projects their flexible housing project is where the suitable land analysis was was the sort

[2:58:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): of beginnings of it um have already been used and will continue to be used in a more uh with with

[2:58:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): more data added um and that's what will be encouraged for all the housing projects so that

[2:58:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): so you know the the interests um related to um the environment uh are considered in that movement

[2:59:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): forward. So, and again, I think that the value of moving forward with housing as a priority is

[2:59:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): there will be efficiency. You will get to housing eventually with your other project. It may be that

[2:59:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): you want to prioritize something else at this point in time. And that's why there are options

[2:59:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): identified in the staff report for you. So I'm open to questions.

[2:59:34] Voice 7: Thank you, Narissa. Brilliant work, as always, and an excellent, in my opinion, analysis of the situation.

[2:59:42] Voice 4: We

[2:59:42] Voice 7: very much appreciate that, because I know that you have lots of work on your plate, and that was put on, and you have helped us significantly, I think.

[2:59:50] Voice 7: So, trustees, do

[2:59:52] Voice 2: you have some questions, direction? I would like to proceed.

[3:00:00] Voice 2: Yeah. Well,

[3:00:01] Voice 8: I've obviously been thinking about this since April 28th. I just really have just

[3:00:06] Voice 8: been focusing on just this main issue. And I have gone out to the public as much as I can,

[3:00:12] Voice 8: met with people talking about the Housing Accelerator Fund, what should we do with it?

[3:00:17] Voice 8: How will it affect our OCP? Interestingly, the correspondence that we received from

[3:00:24] Voice 8: from civil fray and Nancy Henrington Pierce I received that correspondence one day after I had

[3:00:31] Voice 8: already written my own notes as to what I wanted to see happen with this and it it mirrors them

[3:00:38] Voice 8: exactly that does not mean that it matches your opinion or Toby's opinion at all because of course

[3:00:45] Voice 8: we haven't talked about this um even though we know that if we focused on a housing as a priority

[3:00:53] Voice 8: moving forward we know that would include groundwater assessments that kind of thing

[3:00:59] Voice 8: i still do not want to make housing the first priority because i think housing will be

[3:01:07] Voice 8: a priority throughout the process um i do believe that we should not pursue the housing accelerator

[3:01:15] Voice 8: funding at this time for all of the reasons that staff have outlined and i really really thought

[3:01:20] Voice 8: about it that because i got really excited about it too thinking oh does this mean that we can get

[3:01:24] Voice 8: money for the housing society and for people to do the groundwater assessment and all that kind

[3:01:30] Voice 8: of stuff no it means that it's meant for places that are pretty much ready with a plan and here's

[3:01:36] Voice 8: how you get your extra numbers so um so then i thought well we i don't think we should be

[3:01:43] Voice 8: pursuing this it will take so much staff time to to get that you know those reports ready

[3:01:50] Voice 8: and i also don't think that we should say in our ocp the project charter that we are

[3:01:57] Voice 8: focusing on housing as a first priority for me the environment is a first priority

[3:02:05] Voice 8: and i am just as concerned about the development permit areas that are lacking that are missing

[3:02:11] Voice 8: they're not there in our ocp and the ones that aren't there have huge holes in them

[3:02:17] Voice 8: i am just as worried about those and about the development application information bylaw which

[3:02:22] Voice 8: hopefully is a separate project as i am about housing and believe me i am worried about housing

[3:02:28] Voice 8: i am always thinking about housing especially vulnerable people always and the way that

[3:02:39] Voice 8: housing has been monetized in in our country in our province everywhere is just totally unacceptable

[3:02:47] Voice 8: to me um so i'll just leave it at that for now i couldn't be convinced otherwise but i my

[3:02:58] Voice 8: recommendation number one on the staff report i completely agree with recommendation number two

[3:03:04] Voice 8: or focusing on housing i'm not sure about it um because i think it will be a priority no matter

[3:03:13] Voice 2: what we say and i and i want it to be okay so we can so

[3:03:21] Voice 8: i've done a lot of thinking on that

[3:03:25] Voice 8: um since 20 gosh when did that happen uh 2016 and so i was on the housing advisory

[3:03:35] Voice 8: planning commission as you all know and we have been working on housing for not just one term

[3:03:42] Voice 8: but two terms so this has been a major project so it's totally not on university you're not familiar

[3:03:50] Voice 8: with the project it's i'm sorry planner chadwick um but this has been a major focus and it's

[3:03:57] Voice 8: precisely for the reasons that you elucidate it's environmental protection it's planning for the

[3:04:03] Voice 8: the type of housing that will protect the environment so these things are integrated

[3:04:08] Voice 8: i just i need to bring up a few points of history and then i'd like to look forward into the future

[3:04:14] Voice 8: and then i'll close my arguments if i was a lawyer but i'm not um i still believe i absolutely

[3:04:24] Voice 8: believe we need a housing strategy regardless of whether we apply for this fund or not and

[3:04:29] Voice 8: And the reason we need a strategy is because people in our community need confidence that

[3:04:37] Voice 8: when pressure comes and when forces that we cannot control, such as demographic shifts

[3:04:45] Voice 8: in Canada and in BC, are happening, they have some assurance that we have a plan and we

[3:04:52] Voice 8: have a direction.

[3:04:53] Voice 8: This is how we're going to house people.

[3:04:55] Voice 8: We know the areas that are sensitive and vulnerable to groundwater and saltwater intrusion.

[3:05:00] Voice 8: We don't have that strategy.

[3:05:02] Voice 8: And I am so disheartened that the work that was done for this Gabriel Housing Matters report was supposed to result in a strategy.

[3:05:12] Voice 8: And if the last term they had chosen, and you laid it out in your report, Leonard Chadwick, the direction was not realized to implement those recommendations.

[3:05:22] Voice 8: recommendations we would be in this place today of having a strategy and being in the position

[3:05:27] Voice 8: of being able to apply so in action by our elected officials this is our job this is leadership

[3:05:36] Voice 8: is when we do the work we commission the work we say okay hapsy you go out there

[3:05:42] Voice 8: canvas the community we got 1200 responses in three different surveys and 26 recommendations

[3:05:51] Voice 8: recommendations later the only thing that trustees chose to focus on was the easy low-hanging fruit

[3:05:56] Voice 8: no blame on them it seemed to be a good direction a density donation program and but we didn't take

[3:06:05] Voice 8: the we didn't use that initiative to say okay let's set a housing strategy and we came back

[3:06:14] Voice 8: again and said can we have create a planning commission a biodiversity biocultural

[3:06:21] Voice 8: housing diversity planning commission and then integrate the rdm integrate first nations

[3:06:27] Voice 8: integrate the conservancy so that was the first point is that inaction or not sorry not inaction

[3:06:34] Voice 8: but a choice that was made has resulted in us being here today without a housing strategy

[3:06:39] Voice 8: the second point is that the islands trust organizationally failed the housing options

[3:06:49] Voice 8: and impacts repeat projects and if you look back through the project charters because i'm

[3:06:54] Voice 8: the chair and i documented these we had no money to do it so the ec we were set up to have a pilot

[3:07:02] Voice 8: project that was going to be replicable through the other golf islands which is what we're doing

[3:07:07] Voice 8: now planner chat is doing on maine we're going to be able to replicate that work we're creating that

[3:07:12] Voice 8: tool kit it was never funded we had five thousand dollars to work with over it was a ridiculous

[3:07:20] Voice 8: anyway and and the chair at the time said yes we we missed we messed up like we didn't fund

[3:07:28] Voice 8: a major project that could have had efficiencies and benefits throughout the entire almonds trust

[3:07:33] Voice 8: area so that's a it's just a lesson that i'd like us to take as if we are setting a community up to

[3:07:41] Voice 8: do the work and say we're going to engage with you this is going to be replicable

[3:07:46] Voice 8: throughout the allies trust region then we don't fund it we're what are we doing that's not

[3:07:52] Voice 8: planning that's that's today anyway it also happened so that was um that was a problem

[3:07:59] Voice 8: so take act taking action so taking action when you've had good engagement and you're presented

[3:08:06] Voice 8: with a suite of recommendations would have been preferred.

[3:08:11] Voice 8: My concern now is that this data is going to be stale in two years.

[3:08:18] Voice 8: So it was gathered in 2021.

[3:08:20] Voice 8: We did robust community engagement.

[3:08:22] Voice 8: Some of those community members are coming back in the HAPC,

[3:08:25] Voice 8: but honestly, we may have burned out others.

[3:08:28] Voice 8: And the goodwill in the community to keep doing engagements

[3:08:32] Voice 8: engagements and planning cycles that result in no action is going to hurt us in the long run

[3:08:39] Voice 8: because when another survey comes out people are going to be like well what did you do with the

[3:08:43] Voice 8: last one seriously guys this was this was so extensive it was so well done and so in two

[3:08:54] Voice 8: years time when we get around to making those OCP and LUV amendments this data is not going to be

[3:09:02] Voice 8: totally relevant anymore it's from four years ago we have to re-engage with the community again we

[3:09:08] Voice 8: have to spend that money again so what I'm arguing is let's finish the housing options and impacts

[3:09:14] Voice 8: review project we got to the point of OCP and LEB amendments halfway through the charter let's

[3:09:21] Voice 8: finish that project that's all as we prepare for the larger OCP review it's not a first priority

[3:09:27] Voice 8: as in that's the most important it's the first sequenced step because we've already done the work

[3:09:34] Voice 8: and if we lose the the groundwork that we've already done we also could lose the community

[3:09:40] Voice 8: will because they're going to say what are you doing about housing well we had a strategic

[3:09:44] Voice 8: approach to affordable housing biodiversity and freshwater conservation on gabriel island

[3:09:48] Voice 8: community informed process if we then say oh that's four years down the road

[3:09:55] Voice 8: i'm sorry i can't support um not finishing this work it's grounded in in community engagement

[3:10:04] Voice 8: like i don't know if we can get that again so the third point is the reality of the economic and

[3:10:14] Voice 8: social pressures that we don't know what we're going to face i think delaying action because we

[3:10:22] Voice 8: We think we're not ready.

[3:10:27] Voice 8: And I'm not arguing to apply.

[3:10:29] Voice 8: Sorry, let me separate this.

[3:10:30] Voice 8: So I'm not arguing that we should apply for the fund now.

[3:10:33] Voice 8: I'm hearing from staff that this is too short.

[3:10:35] Voice 8: It's too constricted.

[3:10:37] Voice 8: That's fine.

[3:10:38] Voice 8: What I'm arguing about, I'm trying not to argue, sorry, is that not taking action on creating a housing strategy

[3:10:50] Voice 8: um only delays the decision to when there's increased pressure on our communities on the

[3:10:57] Voice 8: groundwater on the environment and in climate change and when you have pressure people can't

[3:11:04] Voice 8: think and they don't um we don't make good decisions we don't it's not a learning environment

[3:11:12] Voice 8: when you have pressure like think about covid think about people moving here from the cities

[3:11:16] Voice 8: everybody was panicking i've heard a lot of concern trees were being cut where's the ecological

[3:11:24] Voice 8: protection people are moving here is a lot of change and so in that environment it's really

[3:11:31] Voice 8: hard to make good proactive leadership choices so i'm thinking that the pressure is only going

[3:11:37] Voice 8: to increase i would rather take a strategic look at housing now and finish that work

[3:11:44] Voice 8: so that we can have a plan i would love to fund it like i really think this one would

[3:11:50] Voice 8: would support a groundwater um analysis implementation but you're right the

[3:11:57] Voice 8: relationship with the rdm is not yet there to be able to hold the money for this kind of

[3:12:02] Voice 8: incentivization to the point that are we going to make ocp changes and lub changes that are not

[3:12:09] Voice 8: grounded in the community personally i've looked at our ocp and i think everything that we can do

[3:12:15] Voice 8: doesn't that we need to do for housing we don't need ocp amendments for it it's already included

[3:12:22] Voice 8: in our ocp so i really i'm not a planner but there's i could point to the planning regime

[3:12:33] Voice 8: that we have right now so

[3:12:34] Voice 7: maybe maybe we don't want to to use your word or argue the merits of

[3:12:41] Voice 7: sir strategy versus ocp because what we've got before us is not pursuing the the startup fund

[3:12:51] Voice 7: um and continuing i'm just going to say continuing the ocp project development um and i'll just i'll

[3:13:03] Voice 7: just throw in my comments here while i'm trying to steer it here a little bit is um i'm not that

[3:13:10] Voice 7: keen on the use of the top priority as housing is top priority in the ocp it can certainly be a

[3:13:18] Voice 7: priority i would prefer to say a priority because it is a priority um and so those are the two

[3:13:25] Voice 7: things that are before us and our third thing would be although you know certainly it's an

[3:13:29] Voice 7: ongoing project that's that's in the continuum from the previous term uh housing strategy and so

[3:13:38] Voice 7: So I'm just going to call out a third thing.

[3:13:41] Voice 7: So there's three things we're thinking about here.

[3:13:42] Voice 7: And so now if we've decided on one or have some consensus on the first one and are trying

[3:13:49] Voice 7: to determine how we advance the OCP, which is in its early stages at this point, versus

[3:13:55] Voice 7: this investment in the housing strategy, that's another conversation to balance those

[3:14:03] Voice 7: to determine whether or not they're independent projects

[3:14:06] Voice 7: or whether or not indeed a housing strategy

[3:14:08] Voice 7: can be part of an OCP.

[3:14:10] Voice 7: And I'll have to defer to Nerissa

[3:14:12] Voice 7: on the potential of that,

[3:14:15] Voice 7: embracing that housing strategy

[3:14:17] Voice 7: and the scope of that would be an in-scope thing

[3:14:20] Voice 7: within the OCP is to pull that together

[3:14:24] Voice 7: because housing isn't the only issue.

[3:14:27] Voice 7: And I think that we have to recognize that issue.

[3:14:29] Voice 10: sure

[3:14:29] Voice 7: and um so anyway so to bring us back

[3:14:34] Voice 10: um

[3:14:35] Voice 7: i think we should make a decision about this the

[3:14:37] Voice 7: housing um i certainly got a mental blank on the name the accelerator fund the housing accelerator

[3:14:43] Voice 7: fund um you need to decide one way or the other because i also just heard you saying i wasn't sure

[3:14:50] Voice 7: trying to decipher what you're saying actually because you've got so much into this and so far

[3:14:56] Voice 7: ahead of us right there's intuitive connections and leaks that you make that we don't necessarily

[3:15:00] Voice 7: make in the same way um because you said they're fun and so uh are you thinking that

[3:15:06] Voice 7: that howling accelerating fund is there to fund the strategy or is that a different

[3:15:13] Voice 7: fund that we have yet to uh um to make a request of council for well

[3:15:19] Voice 8: let me let me ask a few

[3:15:21] Voice 8: questions, but I noticed your

[3:15:22] Voice 8: Planner Chowdhury may have had her hand

[3:15:25] Voice 8: up. I don't know if you want to

[3:15:27] Voice 8: address something.

[3:15:27] Voice 7: We need to focus on

[3:15:28] Voice 8: what today is.

[3:15:30] Voice 8: Your question about the fund

[3:15:31] Voice 8: is, and one of my

[3:15:33] Voice 8: questions is, could the fund

[3:15:36] Voice 8: one of the

[3:15:37] Voice 8: actions of the fund be to

[3:15:39] Voice 8: supply an auxiliary

[3:15:41] Voice 8: planner that is needed

[3:15:43] Voice 8: to do this work?

[3:15:45] Voice 7: Okay, good question.

[3:15:48] Voice 2: Maybe Rene might even chime in,

[3:15:50] Voice 2: I see that you've got a plant chat because I had it up, so is that right?

[3:15:55] Voice 2: Go ahead, plant chat.

[3:15:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): Yeah, through the chair.

[3:15:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): Yeah, the answer would be yes.

[3:16:02] Planner Chadwick (probable): The actual money can be used in a lot of different ways.

[3:16:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): So staffing is one.

[3:16:17] Voice 2: Thank you.

[3:16:18] Voice 2: So can

[3:16:18] Voice 2: I ask a supplementary question to that?

[3:16:21] What

[3:16:23] Voice 2: are our chances of success?

[3:16:25] Voice 2: Can we do that?

[3:16:26] Voice 2: and be honest yeah

[3:16:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): so i i would say that the applicant given the limited staff resources

[3:16:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): the application will likely be um will not have as much we don't have enough time to put as much

[3:16:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): rigor in in as maine has been able to benefit from so the application will um well will likely

[3:16:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): likely have more limited implementation actions in it.

[3:17:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): I don't know how islands would be evaluated against one another, but it all comes down

[3:17:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): to CMHC.

[3:17:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): They may be interested in funding one in the north, one in the south, but I think Maine

[3:17:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): One, Maine has an advantage of having a smaller population, and also a very high rate of population growth, much higher rate of population growth between the last two surveys, as well as a slow rate of development of units.

[3:17:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): So they look really, like, they're sort of, like, really ideal on paper for this kind of a fund, just from a numbers perspective. But, I mean, there's a whole bunch of other things behind the numbers. But Gabriola isn't, Gabriola would have to do a little bit, like, would basically have to do more to be able to get, to reach the kinds of targets that would have to be identified.

[3:18:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): identified. Targets, the money is based entirely on the target that is set and the target that is

[3:18:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): set is, and the money is related and the target that is set is related to the amount of dwellings,

[3:18:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): additional dwellings that would be developed in a period of time within three years of the program.

[3:18:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): So it may be more, I just think it would, it would be a bit more challenging. I mean,

[3:18:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): I'm not trying to compare the two. I mean, I can't make a blanket statement around,

[3:18:47] Voice 2: around how

[3:18:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): Gabriela's would be adjudicated.

[3:18:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): I just think it just feels like just,

[3:18:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): to me, it feels like it will take a lot more thinking

[3:19:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): to figure out how Gabriela can be best positioned

[3:19:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): to have a successful application.

[3:19:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): application right

[3:19:16] Voice 7: so the same parameters that you outlined earlier with respect to applying

[3:19:20] Voice 7: more broadly this housing accelerator fund still would apply no matter what it is that we call it

[3:19:26] Voice 7: and what it is that we choose to do this as a deliverable there are

[3:19:31] Voice 7: challenges yeah to do to

[3:19:34] Voice 7: develop a housing strategy you

[3:19:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): would need well it's a requirement of the program to have a housing

[3:19:38] Planner Chadwick (probable): action plan right

[3:19:40] Voice 7: okay yeah that's good that's that's what the answer is you're professional

[3:19:46] Voice 7: about it so

[3:19:47] Voice 8: yeah and so in my opinion the reason i brought this forward and i did push hard to have

[3:19:55] Voice 8: this discussion is not just to see if we're ready for this accelerator fund but because the need for

[3:20:02] Voice 8: a housing strategy and an action plan still remains that that is not that's not going to

[3:20:10] Voice 8: go away right and in fact we have the foundation the groundwork to have done that so what i'd like

[3:20:16] Voice 8: to propose not saying we finished the discussion but just to put it out there as a thought

[3:20:22] Voice 8: is to bring this forward to our two apcs to ask if a housing strategy as a first step

[3:20:33] Voice 8: in our ocp review process might be uh their recommendation or whether they think like you

[3:20:43] Voice 8: that all these other considerations and i don't want to i'm not saying any one of them is more

[3:20:50] Voice 8: important than the other it's just sequencing i think what narissa said we can't do them all at

[3:20:57] Voice 8: once we're going to be asking the community about one topic that's integrated with this

[3:21:02] Voice 8: but it's going to be sequenced sorry chair yeah

[3:21:06] Voice 2: um

[3:21:07] Voice 8: just i just want to take note here that even

[3:21:10] Voice 8: if we move forward with the existing ocp project yes as it was originally thought of without the

[3:21:18] Voice 8: housing accelerator fund it it means that staff will be encouraging the ocp review process to

[3:21:27] Voice 8: to build off the housing impact options and impact review.

[3:21:31] Voice 8: And this project will involve a scoping phase

[3:21:34] Voice 8: to identify priorities,

[3:21:36] Voice 8: the creation of a housing plan if desired,

[3:21:39] Voice 8: will come later in the process.

[3:21:41] Voice 8: It won't be forgotten, it can't be,

[3:21:43] Voice 8: because the main reason we're doing an OCP review

[3:21:47] Voice 8: in the first place is we are 20 years behind

[3:21:50] Voice 8: on climate change, First Nations engagement,

[3:21:52] Voice 8: and affordable housing.

[3:21:54] Voice 8: thing those are the three main reasons we're doing an ocp review there is no way that housing is

[3:22:00] Voice 8: going to be left behind or forgotten it will be a priority regardless of any housing accelerator

[3:22:07] Voice 8: planner so that is why i want us to move forward with the ocp project that we had in mind to begin

[3:22:14] Voice 8: with

[3:22:16] Voice 4: so if i try to you know come to i'm just trying to leap ahead here because i keep watching

[3:22:23] Voice 7: from the clock to

[3:22:24] Voice 2: make sure we get

[3:22:25] Voice 2: everything done here today um as a place to end up being

[3:22:33] Voice 2: and

[3:22:33] Voice 7: provide some direction to allow any of all projects to move forward um let's just say that

[3:22:41] Voice 7: we agree with the recommendation in recommendation one and then in recommendation two rather than

[3:22:48] Voice 7: saying uh provide a project charter for ocpl review with focusing on housing as first priority

[3:22:56] Voice 7: already um we could say uh that an ocp lub review which would include a housing strategy

[3:23:04] Voice 7: just say it out loud because

[3:23:06] Voice 8: it cannot yeah so

[3:23:08] Voice 7: that's a an offer i'm trying to figure out how

[3:23:13] Voice 7: because i think you know they said the ocp lib running health now here is still really in the

[3:23:19] Voice 7: intimacy we don't have a project charter we haven't determined what's in scope or what's

[3:23:22] Voice 7: out of scope and if we say housing strategy then clearly a housing strategy will be in scope this

[3:23:30] Voice 7: part of the mct will be and that may

[3:23:31] Voice 7: be a huge ball of wax that we're going to take on it's

[3:23:34] Voice 7: going to take three years to do but um that's the work so

[3:23:38] Voice 8: um i just have a quick comment too

[3:23:40] Voice 8: um we still have to we are still looking for first nations um input as well that's a really

[3:23:47] Voice 8: really important for all

[3:23:48] Voice 7: of that for me as a given yeah

[3:23:50] Voice 8: absolutely so um I think we should I would

[3:23:54] Voice 8: like to take these recommendations separately yes

[3:23:57] Voice 7: oh yeah one at a time yeah I wouldn't expect to

[3:24:01] Voice 7: pass them together um so Nerissa and then I'll come back to Toby and then maybe we can move just

[3:24:08] Voice 7: a lot further uh

[3:24:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): thanks chair lookum I just wanted to um just offer a little bit of information um

[3:24:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): That may be helpful. And I've referred to the suitable land analysis a few times.

[3:24:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): And again, what that involves is looking at all of the data that we have available to us related to ecological impacts or values.

[3:24:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): You know, so it's looking at sensitive ecosystems. It's looking at our water data.

[3:24:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): It'll be looking at other information that we have in our system, such as steep slopes, etc.

[3:24:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): It'll also be looking at possible gaps in our information.

[3:24:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): And if you can imagine all of those maps that we have being layered on each other and the ability to see where the most vulnerable areas are,

[3:25:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): are the ones that have the sensitive ecosystems,

[3:25:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): that have saltwater intrusion,

[3:25:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): that are extremely vulnerable to groundwater impacts.

[3:25:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): We are gonna have that data,

[3:25:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): and that data is going to be very helpful

[3:25:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): in informing the development of DPAs

[3:25:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): or the review of your DPAs.

[3:25:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): So sequencing your OCP review

[3:25:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): view by focusing on the housing piece first and that's what the resolution is it's not as a

[3:25:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): priority it's as a first um just to focus on it first will enable you to benefit from the work

[3:25:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): that's been being done at a trust wide level that uh you know right now it's in its preliminary

[3:25:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): phases and we don't know exactly where to go because some of it will depend on funding and

[3:25:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): again you know this is all very new but there potentially is the opportunity to benefit from

[3:26:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): that work to inform um uh your development permit areas um definitely you know um you know and again

[3:26:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): regardless of of of where your priority is the the groundwater availability assessments are

[3:26:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): are are a priority and we're looking at all the all kinds of ways that we can make that happen

[3:26:19] Planner Chadwick (probable): um um so it's more of a sequencing of things right so if you move forward with housing as a

[3:26:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): a as a priority we can create a um it doesn't i mean all all the other things are you know the

[3:26:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): ocp will involve the other ones but it's if we sequence housing first there are there's the

[3:26:42] Planner Chadwick (probable): efficiency there is the efficiency of being able to move along with two other ltcs um and those

[3:26:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): processes all to be able to inform each other you know we've talked about um the idea of model

[3:26:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): bylaws there we are creating them now there's opportunity for gabrielle to be a part of that

[3:27:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): and inform um maine and denman's processes as well so really it's a sequencing question it's um

[3:27:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): um you know it's still part of the overall ocp review and and starting first with um the

[3:27:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): development of a of a housing strategy or action plan as part of that ocp will um enable you

[3:27:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): potentially take advantage of of more information that may be available to inform the rest of the

[3:27:27] Planner Chadwick (probable): ocp review thank

[3:27:30] Voice 2: you thanks for

[3:27:31] Voice 8: that christy

[3:27:32] Voice 2: elliott yeah

[3:27:34] Voice 8: i think finally i'll just say um

[3:27:39] Voice 8: for the new community members who have come to gabriella i'd say in the last four to five years

[3:27:46] Voice 8: who don't know what young's trust is they don't understand why it was created they have very

[3:27:53] Voice 8: present and daily concerns am i going to house myself can i get to work do my children have a

[3:28:02] Voice 8: future here that kind of thing is i'm speaking very generally but correct me if i'm wrong so um

[3:28:09] Voice 8: i do i do still support a whole education piece around what is the ocp why why do we need to do

[3:28:17] Voice 8: this that is a larger visioning um that we need to do as a community i'm not at all saying it

[3:28:24] Voice 8: It doesn't need to happen. I'm not, it's long overdue. Absolutely.

[3:28:29] Voice 8: But the part where people will really be engaged,

[3:28:32] Voice 8: I believe is where it hits home. It's,

[3:28:36] Voice 8: it's how do we live and where do we put our houses that,

[3:28:40] Voice 8: that actually speaks to people the most. And I believe it would fold into,

[3:28:44] Voice 8: it would lead very nicely into the later parts of like, Oh,

[3:28:48] Voice 8: and how do we cluster those homes? And what, why, what is a DPA?

[3:28:54] Voice 8: Like there's so many things that people need to learn about ecological protection, but it's all very, it's hard to understand until you know what land use planning is. Land use planning where people, where it meets people's needs is housing.

[3:29:09] Voice 8: so um with all due respect to those who have worked in the space a lot longer than i have i

[3:29:16] Voice 8: would totally support a sequencing of the ocplub review um with a continuation of the housing

[3:29:26] Voice 8: options and impacts review project or a housing strategy as a first priority and that i can get

[3:29:35] Voice 8: in front of the community and say we're doing something with all this government stuff that

[3:29:42] Voice 8: you don't understand right we're trying we're doing something so um i wholeheartedly agree

[3:29:50] Voice 8: that an ocp review i'm a little worried that it's going to take longer than a year and a half to

[3:29:55] Voice 8: start and if we delay the housing strategy

[3:29:59] Voice 8: got a G.

[3:30:00] Voice 8: to nest it inside the ocp review we're going to lose this momentum that is being created with the

[3:30:06] Voice 8: housing toolkit and all the other pieces that regional planning team is is putting together so

[3:30:13] Voice 8: i'm just mindful of time i'm mindful of the work that's already been done that

[3:30:17] Voice 8: staff have already put into this community members have already put in and i think housing

[3:30:21] Voice 8: housing hits home for people in a way that will engage them with the OCP review process.

[3:30:31] Voice 5: You know, I wanted to come to Renee to ask about the timeline, but I just want to reflect

[3:30:37] Voice 7: a minute, and I don't remember who it is that said this originally, but I took note of,

[3:30:42] Voice 7: and that the Allen's Trust is about housing,

[3:30:45] Voice 2: right,

[3:30:46] Voice 7: just core, because if there was no

[3:30:48] Voice 7: people here we wouldn't exist it would just be a park but it's not we're having to manage human

[3:30:57] Voice 7: impacts in a natural ecosystem so it's absolutely and laura patrick has said that it's not about

[3:31:04] Voice 7: affordable housing or accessible housing it's about all housing yes and

[3:31:09] Voice 7: then all of those

[3:31:10] Voice 7: support networks that you know it's interesting that the contrast i'll just say between thetis

[3:31:16] Voice 7: in gabriola which is not the smallest island and not the biggest island but the contrast is

[3:31:22] Voice 7: dramatic like we don't have stores we don't have a gas station we don't

[3:31:25] Voice 7: have all these other things

[3:31:26] Voice 7: and you've got all these lovely things um and so um we have to balance that human impact in each of

[3:31:34] Voice 7: the ecosystems that exist so um the how we can't get we can't not do housing in all the work and

[3:31:44] Voice 7: And the vision, I think that that component of the vision,

[3:31:48] Voice 7: the semantics in this is what is a strategy if it's not a vision,

[3:31:53] Voice 7: and what if a vision isn't a strategy, right?

[3:31:58] Voice 7: It embraces the same thing about what does this community look like?

[3:32:02] Voice 7: Am I going to be able to live here for as long as I wish to,

[3:32:07] Voice 7: and am I going to be able to conduct my life and do the things

[3:32:09] Voice 7: and enjoy the things that are here in the way that I expect?

[3:32:14] Voice 7: just many respects right the ocp leaves that community vision because no cp isn't a bylaw

[3:32:20] Voice 7: the luv is the bylaws the ocp is the vision of the community and the luv is what enables and

[3:32:27] Voice 7: protects that vision

[3:32:29] Voice 10: and

[3:32:30] Voice 7: so in that is absolutely the density size and shape okay

[3:32:36] Voice 8: and where yeah

[3:32:37] Voice 7: and actually thank you narissa for reminding us all the time about that suitability land analysis

[3:32:45] Voice 7: is so fundamentally critical to that.

[3:32:47] Voice 7: And indeed, that land analysis needs to be in the OCP

[3:32:51] Voice 7: as these are the values,

[3:32:54] Voice 7: and this is where we're going to allow housing of any kind,

[3:32:59] Voice 7: and these other areas absolutely need to be protected,

[3:33:02] Voice 7: and include the tools, development permit areas

[3:33:04] Voice 7: and information bylaws, in order to be sure

[3:33:09] Voice 7: that what we're saying in our OCP is

[3:33:12] Voice 2: defendable in court

[3:33:14] Voice 2: at the end of the day yeah

[3:33:15] Voice 10: so

[3:33:19] Voice 2: i think we've come a long way here

[3:33:21] Voice 7: it may not seem like it but okay

[3:33:23] Voice 8: well to your point can we separate these two first pieces they should be two separate ones

[3:33:30] Voice 8: they are two separate functions um i would like to and i've had so i've spoken with

[3:33:37] Voice 8: a few hapsy members just in regular i didn't seek them out it was just and they're like when are we

[3:33:45] Voice 8: going to be asked like we have a job when are we going to be asked about how to bring this out in

[3:33:51] Voice 8: community and so that's why i thought what if um you know cmhc fund decides one of the first

[3:34:01] Voice 8: pieces of scoping the work is what do you think um is that housing strategy sequenced within the

[3:34:10] Voice 8: ocp review a good idea or do we need to or do we have what it takes to do the big visioning

[3:34:17] Voice 8: for the community and just do the ocp as as plans i would like to refer it to the

[3:34:24] Voice 8: abc's personally and actually engage them in this work they've been waiting for

[3:34:28] Voice 8: a couple months now so that would be my suggestion for the second part it

[3:34:37] Voice 2: does it does take time i i

[3:34:39] Voice 8: i i i would not like to do that i think we need to make these two decisions maybe even a third

[3:34:46] Voice 8: decision and once we get into the work of the ocp review that's when things get referred to

[3:34:54] Voice 8: advisory planning commissions i i don't think we should be referring this decision that we need to

[3:35:00] Voice 8: make as soon as possible so we can get started on the ocp review i don't think we should be

[3:35:07] Voice 8: referring this to any apc i think we should make a decision but why um and but what work could be

[3:35:17] Voice 8: we be doing while that referral goes out we're waiting for first nations to come back with how

[3:35:22] Voice 8: they want to be engaged there is there any work that we could be doing on the ocp review this is

[3:35:28] Voice 8: all the preliminary year we have this year to scope out the work and what i'm suggesting is

[3:35:35] Voice 8: as we ask community members how we want to approach this work.

[3:35:40] Voice 4: So I

[3:35:42] Voice 7: said I wanted to go to Rene earlier,

[3:35:45] Voice 7: and I kind of dropped that, but I want to go to Rene.

[3:35:47] Voice 7: Because what's significant here, I think,

[3:35:50] Voice 7: is that one, these are two motions that would stand alone.

[3:35:54] Voice 7: The second motion says, which is what

[3:35:57] Voice 7: we're getting an answer to your question,

[3:35:59] Voice 7: request to act to develop a project charter.

[3:36:01] Voice 7: And so that project charter, I think,

[3:36:03] Voice 7: needs in the in scope and out of scope section,

[3:36:05] Voice 7: needs to say housing strategy and scope

[3:36:08] Voice 10: right

[3:36:09] Voice 7: so then once we've developed that charter i think we

[3:36:13] Voice 7: want to be careful about sending too much making too many asks of an apc of any kind without being

[3:36:20] Voice 7: sure that we're providing them with adequate information so indeed as we scope and first

[3:36:26] Voice 7: nations of course as well but as we scope out this chart this project charter um we want to be so we

[3:36:32] Voice 7: We are soliciting input from First Nations to ask them how they want to be involved in this work that we're doing.

[3:36:38] Voice 7: And then once that's more sort of draftish, then indeed that project charter goes to the APC.

[3:36:45] Voice 7: So you think this covers it all in scope by scope?

[3:36:48] Voice 7: I

[3:36:48] Voice 8: would like to see that.

[3:36:49] Voice 7: And then that's a much more clearly defined ask.

[3:36:53] Voice 8: We're asking them to do something specific.

[3:36:55] Voice 8: But we're in preliminary year zero.

[3:36:59] Voice 8: Just correct me if I'm wrong.

[3:37:00] Voice 8: The project charter we're talking about is not the OCP review charter, but this year we've got $18,000 to spend in year zero.

[3:37:08] Voice 8: So let's go to Renee and

[3:37:10] Voice 7: ask her about that time frame.

[3:37:12] Voice 8: Yes.

[3:37:13] Voice 7: This is an OCP charter.

[3:37:15] Voice 7: Through

[3:37:15] Voice 8: the Chair, what we're talking about, and I'll also get some clarification for

[3:37:21] Voice 8: Marissa to jump in, is the Stage 0, to clarify, was a Stage 0 where the OCP review will begin

[3:37:31] Voice 8: this year.

[3:37:32] Voice 8: So we have to establish a project charter, and in terms of some ideal instances to refer

[3:37:42] Voice 8: refer to the apc would be to give them something tangible to review so revealing specific aspects

[3:37:50] Voice 8: if it's a draft plan if it's some recommendations that come out of a draft that makes sense

[3:37:56] Voice 8: and i'm also mindful of the time that we have for this year to get this project set up in a way

[3:38:06] Voice 8: way so I think what you're through trustee uh trustee Elliot asking for for comments from the

[3:38:15] Voice 8: agency I think can be done once the project charter is set up and that really gives I think

[3:38:22] Voice 8: staff the ability to start doing some actions because no no real work is beginning no real

[3:38:29] Voice 8: review work is being done until we have our scope in place so what the takeaway is that I would hear

[3:38:36] Voice 8: is there's no scope project charter in place or endorsed yet so we're not beginning real

[3:38:42] Voice 8: project work until that happens so

[3:38:45] Voice 10: i

[3:38:46] Voice 8: i would also like to suggest time is of the essence

[3:38:51] Voice 10: this

[3:38:51] Voice 8: year yeah

[3:38:53] Voice 7: because whatever

[3:38:55] Voice 8: whatever the direction we're

[3:38:57] Voice 7: already talking about june and

[3:38:58] Voice 7: july meetings and i will

[3:39:00] Voice 8: be coming back in a few months to ask about your next fiscal year's

[3:39:05] Voice 8: projects and whether we'll get fifty thousand dollars for a groundwater does

[3:39:12] Voice 2: that help yes or

[3:39:18] Voice 8: no

[3:39:18] Voice 2: i'm

[3:39:20] Voice 8: content with the answer thank you for that yeah i was quite i was wondering about the year

[3:39:24] Voice 8: zero because i thought we were going to do a whole what is the ocp and sort of some educational

[3:39:30] Voice 8: pieces before we launch into that ocp review so actually i still had the impression our ocp review

[3:39:36] Voice 8: it was not starting until 24 25. Nerissa if you can help clarify there's there's some work that

[3:39:45] Voice 8: we can do and part of that was getting some feedback from community on some of that work

[3:39:52] Voice 8: but there's really we have to establish the scope and approach we try to really get into this so

[3:40:01] Voice 8: So, Nerissa, anything that you have?

[3:40:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): Yeah, I

[3:40:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): mean, I would say, you know, yes, we're in year zero, which is a scoping phase.

[3:40:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): And it would, so the project charter would identify the sequencing.

[3:40:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): The, if you were already to decide that you were going to move ahead with housing as the

[3:40:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): a first priority some of the work there could be work in this pre-phase that would uh would

[3:40:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): basically well the preliminary report related to housing could be done as part of the pre-phase

[3:40:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): because the way that the housing projects have been set up is that the pre-phase involves that

[3:40:47] Planner Chadwick (probable): um that scoping piece so um if you were to not identify housing as a first priority

[3:40:57] Planner Chadwick (probable): then it becomes a little bit more open as to what those if they're what the first steps would be

[3:41:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): um uh and you know there's there's obviously there there's still opportunity in this i mean

[3:41:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): the opportunity in this period of time is to identify your priorities um and identify what

[3:41:25] Planner Chadwick (probable): it's going i mean and identify what it's going to cost in the next fiscal year to move forward on

[3:41:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): on those priorities so um the project charter isn't is primarily focusing on scoping and like

[3:41:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): i said before it it's clear to staff if housing is priority then it's clear what that first step

[3:41:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): would be which is also part of a scoping phase so

[3:41:53] Voice 7: can i just ask a question because

[3:41:57] Voice 7: we sort of were at least i'm in my head talking around these this the language here of housing

[3:42:04] Voice 7: as a first priority and housing strategy and an ocp including a strategy um and then of course

[3:42:14] Voice 7: at the end of the day this charter is an iterative process we're going to say hey create a charter

[3:42:20] Voice 7: that includes carrots and potatoes and we're going to that we're going to see that come back and

[3:42:27] Voice 7: we're going to go oh no we want some beats or something in there for color and so we're going

[3:42:32] Voice 7: to it's going to be an iterative process to tune that to be and we want to spend that time as what

[3:42:38] Voice 7: patrick says lingering in this development phase right getting that charter so that it's it's

[3:42:43] Voice 7: saying what we really as leaders believe is what we have heard in the community and then the work

[3:42:51] Voice 7: begins and if i'm not mistaken i think you suggested that could happen this year to get

[3:42:57] Voice 7: to that place because what's amazing and you have to hold back the range here i've been to this

[3:43:02] Voice 7: number of times to hold back the range because once you get on that the work moves quickly and

[3:43:09] Voice 7: we have to be very careful about the language that is being there's so many opportunities

[3:43:15] Voice 7: by law enforcement will have something to say well you can say that but we're not going to

[3:43:19] Voice 7: able to enforce it or whatever yeah

[3:43:21] Voice 8: so i propose that we make a motion at least on the first

[3:43:27] Voice 8: recommendation i

[3:43:28] Voice 4: move

[3:43:30] Voice 8: that the gabriella island local trust committee not pursue cmhc's housing

[3:43:36] Voice 8: accelerator funding at this time as

[3:43:40] Voice 7: much as we've looked as

[3:43:41] Voice 8: much as we thought it was very exciting

[3:43:42] Voice 8: it might give us something i'm not going to second that because i do not believe in inaction so

[3:43:49] Voice 8: you

[3:43:50] Voice 7: don't believe what i

[3:43:51] Voice 8: don't believe in the lane i recognize the staff constraints i do think that

[3:43:56] Voice 8: we could hire auxiliary planners because this is the time for it so well it takes

[3:44:01] Voice 7: time to manage

[3:44:02] Voice 7: but that's fine

[3:44:04] Voice 8: fine yeah

[3:44:05] Voice 7: i understand yeah so

[3:44:07] Voice 2: i'm going to second the motion yeah thank you

[3:44:09] Voice 8: is

[3:44:11] Voice 2: there any further discussion that

[3:44:13] Voice 8: was my discussion it's

[3:44:15] Voice 2: your chance to swear

[3:44:19] Voice 2: all those in favor no opposed so that carries okay what are we gonna do with the next one now

[3:44:29] Voice 7: and this to me it's semantics okay

[3:44:31] Voice 8: so i just have one quick question it's not semantic

[3:44:34] Voice 8: if we say housing as the first priority yeah does that obviate in any way groundwater assessment

[3:44:43] Voice 8: assessment which we've said all along we've got to have right up front well

[3:44:46] Voice 7: come on we need

[3:44:48] Voice 7: groundwater to do housing yeah see no this is okay

[3:44:51] Voice 8: yeah that's what i got good good that's

[3:44:53] Voice 8: excellent um and

[3:44:56] Voice 7: that's if if we can go with that i'd say go with it yeah i

[3:45:00] Voice 8: mean it wouldn't be my

[3:45:01] Voice 8: first choice because i would just assume of course it's a priority but if that made like like toby if

[3:45:07] Voice 8: that makes you happy to have housing that's the first priority i'm happy well it doesn't matter

[3:45:11] Voice 8: of a priority it is sequencing and building on the work that's already done been done and not

[3:45:17] Voice 8: losing that momentum so whatever it takes to get that done i'm in support of that

[3:45:22] Voice 7: so let me just

[3:45:24] Voice 7: say so the outcome here is a project charter right and so in that project charter that sequence is

[3:45:31] Voice 7: spelled out and in that sequence marissa we could have a housing strategy which would include the

[3:45:37] Voice 7: land analysis and

[3:45:38] Voice 7: the watershed yeah

[3:45:40] Voice 8: for

[3:45:41] Voice 7: sure yeah and

[3:45:43] Voice 7: so it's the right way to do it for sure

[3:45:46] Voice 7: i'll

[3:45:47] Voice 8: trust you on this

[3:45:51] Voice 7: okay so we could just do that okay

[3:45:55] Voice 8: well i move that the gabriella island local trust committee

[3:45:59] Voice 8: requests staff to develop a project charter for the ocp and lub review which focuses

[3:46:06] Voice 8: It focuses on housing as a priority.

[3:46:11] Voice 7: Seconded by Trustee Elliott. Thank you.

[3:46:13] Voice 7: You got that.

[3:46:15] Voice 7: Well, I think we can do this.

[3:46:17] Voice 8: I think Lisa had a question.

[3:46:19] Voice 8: Sure.

[3:46:20] Voice 8: Did you say housing as a priority?

[3:46:25] Voice 2: I did,

[3:46:25] Voice 8: because this is redundant. A priority is a priority.

[3:46:29] Voice 7: Yeah. Okay, so that's moved and seconded. Any further discussion? All those in favor?

[3:46:36] Voice 8: So moved.

[3:46:38] Voice 7: Thank you

[3:46:39] Voice 8: so much for putting together this work. I know the timeline was super, super short. And I really, really appreciate that. And especially your points about the efficiency and how this is working in conjunction with other LTCs. We're just super grateful to have your work. So thank you.

[3:47:01] Voice 7: and yeah thank you and you know

[3:47:03] Voice 7: i know you want to say yes to the uh accelerator fund as much as

[3:47:09] Voice 7: we do but you're being much more practical and helping us with our decisions so thank you for

[3:47:15] Voice 7: that look

[3:47:16] Voice 8: forward to see what happens in maine we're reminded to all

[3:47:19] Voice 7: right folks let's move on

[3:47:22] Voice 7: the work program

[3:47:23] Voice 8: um peter i have a question that related to the haf and the ocp it's just

[3:47:32] Voice 8: a general question um but it came up in my discussions with people in the community about

[3:47:37] Voice 8: you know not to this and one of the questions was in the current gabriel of buildup map that

[3:47:43] Voice 8: is the subdivision map can that be posted online through the chair if that's um with

[3:47:53] Voice 8: information that's already available i don't see why we couldn't put in a request to create

[3:47:59] Voice 8: that map and post it so that could be an action if you would like anything like that

[3:48:09] Voice 8: but i would have to check i just didn't find it online

[3:48:12] Voice 8: it's a well

[3:48:13] Voice 7: yeah but it doesn't just

[3:48:14] Voice 8: i i would actually caution about this because we put together

[3:48:19] Voice 8: a bunch of information including the draft build-out map and the public sometimes will

[3:48:26] Voice 8: interpret things in the way that they understand it and if there isn't educational and communications

[3:48:34] Voice 8: material that is a draft build-out map my understanding maybe i'm wrong here maybe

[3:48:40] Voice 8: to check on us i don't think it was ever finalized through the chair that's what i was going to check

[3:48:46] Voice 8: is because i'm not familiar just by function of not being around the information long enough

[3:48:52] Voice 8: i can just ask that it's in it's in our trusty dropbox with the hoir project there's a bunch of

[3:49:02] Voice 8: i can also do t and if it is dragged it i'll have to find out if it's same drop

[3:49:10] Voice 8: report share that would be very helpful

[3:49:12] Voice 7: you know the hard so nurse do you have something on that

[3:49:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): um yeah i can actually just add a little something so as part of um the first step in our um

[3:49:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): in our suitable land analysis is um doing build out mapping um for all the ltcs so whatever so

[3:49:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): whatever gabriel to have has will be reviewed as part of that process um so that's just something

[3:49:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): to keep in mind um there may be it may be updated um soon thank

[3:49:44] Voice 8: you great thank you yeah

[3:49:48] Voice 2: so you know

[3:49:49] Voice 2: i just think that it's not a secret to start with um i hope not and that the zoning maps

[3:49:59] Voice 2: with the potential like the potential

[3:50:02] Voice 7: subdivisions down to the individual homes

[3:50:06] Voice 7: homes exists in the zoning maps

[3:50:08] Voice 10: and it's

[3:50:10] Voice 7: just a matter of a formula on the mapping software

[3:50:13] Voice 7: that accumulates the numbers and I'm sure that we've done this exercise in the past and I think

[3:50:19] Voice 7: you said it's in the drop box

[3:50:20] Voice 8: anyway

[3:50:22] Voice 7: let's move on with our agenda um so this is the work program

[3:50:27] Voice 7: so we have the active projects that's there I would suggest that that's there for our information at

[3:50:33] Voice 7: this time i don't know that they're making any changes

[3:50:40] Voice 10: and

[3:50:40] Voice 7: the future projects is sort of the same thing they're for our information unless there's

[3:50:45] Voice 7: something new that we want to add at this time but we've got

[3:50:49] Voice 7: time ahead to do that and renee

[3:50:51] Voice 7: camera we have something to add thank

[3:50:53] Voice 8: you through the chair so what i'm just capturing for trustee

[3:50:58] Voice 8: the member of the public's attention there'll be an update on the future projects report list

[3:51:03] Voice 8: on page, pardon me, on page 35 of the agenda,

[3:51:08] Voice 8: based on your resolution today, that would get removed.

[3:51:13] Voice 8: That's the designation.

[3:51:14] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:51:14] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:51:14] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:51:17] Voice 7: So then, therefore, our next meeting is now going to reschedule,

[3:51:23] Voice 7: or not reschedule, just the location.

[3:51:25] Voice 7: It's going to be June 8th, and it will be electronic.

[3:51:28] Voice 7: Correct.

[3:51:29] Voice 2: At 1030.

[3:51:30] Voice 7: In fact, an electronic meeting we could have started earlier,

[3:51:33] Voice 7: I would suggest.

[3:51:35] Voice 7: i don't know if that's an option for you or not just say yes you could start earlier or no we

[3:51:40] Voice 8: could start earlier do

[3:51:41] Voice 7: you want to start earlier than 10 30 for our electronic meeting on june 8th

[3:51:45] Voice 7: sure

[3:51:45] Voice 8: sure yeah

[3:51:46] Voice 7: nine o

[3:51:47] Voice 7: 'clock sure yeah

[3:51:48] Voice 8: sounds great do

[3:51:49] Voice 7: you want a motion to that effect yes please

[3:51:51] Voice 8: i move that we start the june 8th gabriel a local task committee at 9 a.m

[3:52:00] Voice 7: second move now second move is a pitter

[3:52:02] Voice 7: that carries

[3:52:03] Voice 7: so now we're going to go into a new camera meeting

[3:52:06] Voice 7: so unfortunately I'm going to have to ask you to leave

[3:52:08] Voice 7: sir and I really appreciate you

[3:52:10] Voice 7: hanging out at the Bitter End

[3:52:11] Voice 7: and I hope that

[3:52:14] Voice 7: it gives you some pleasure to know

[3:52:16] Voice 7: that we're thinking about this stuff

[3:52:18] Voice 7: so if I can get a motion we'll ask

[3:52:20] Voice 7: for it to clear and I'm going to turn off

[3:52:22] Voice 7: the live streaming and the recording

[3:52:23] Voice 7: so

[3:52:26] Voice 7: So we will likely drive some report to the public's benefit.

[3:52:29] Voice 7: We'll likely drive some report at our next meeting.

[3:52:33] Voice 7: And so there won't be a rational report.

[3:52:35] Voice 7: We'll just come out of the meeting and adjourn the meeting.

[3:52:39] Voice 7: So with that...

[3:52:40] Voice 8: That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter,

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Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
May 11, 2023 
Gabriola Arts & Heritage Centre 
476 South Road, Gabriola Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair 
 Tobi Elliott, Trustee 
 Susan Yates, Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Renée Jamurat, Regional Planning Manager 
 Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner, via Zoom 
Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner 
Warren Dingman, Bylaw Enforcement Officer 
Taryn Plater, Co-op Student Planner 
 Lisa Millard, Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were approximately 9 members of the public in attendance. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
The Chair called the meeting to order at 10:30 am. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations and he introduced Staff and the Recorder. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration:  
 
3.3 Electoral Area Director’s Report received by email. 
 
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended. 
 
3. REPORTS 
 
3.1 Trustee Reports  
Trustee Elliott reported the following: 
 She attended the Union of BC Municipalities (UBCM) Housing Summit “Housing BC 
Together,” the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities Conference, 
and the Rural Islands Economic Partnership Forum. A full report detailing the 
highlights of these events can be found at https://islandstrust.bc.ca/island-
planning/gabriola/gabriola-island-local-trustee-corner/ ;  

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 She is a representative on the Steering Committee of the Vancouver Island and 
Coastal Communities Climate Leadership Plan (VICC CLP); and  
 She attended the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities Conference 
(AVICC). 
 
Trustee Yates reported the following: 
 She attended the Gabriola Island Earth Day celebration; 
 She participated in a session on circular economy at the Rural Islands Economic 
Partnership Forum; 
 She attended a workshop on the electrification of public transportation at the  
Electrify Salt Spring event; and 
 She visited the Andreas Vogt Nature Reserve on Salt Spring Island. 
 
3.2 Chair's Report 
  The Chair reported the following: 
 He attended the Growing Farmers and Food Resilience workshop, and the Managing 
Emergencies-The Increasing Impact on our Communities workshop at the AVICC 
Conference; 
 The annual budget was adopted at the Executive Committee meeting at the end of 
March, and he is preparing for the June Trust Council meeting; and 
 He attended a Special Meeting in April to discuss advancing First Nations consultant 
engagement and housing. 
 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
The Electoral Area Director’s report was submitted by email and received for 
information.  
 
3.3.1 Participation in the RDN's Gabriola Recreation and Electoral Area B Parks and 
Trails Master Plan Advisory Committee 
Letter received for information. 
 
GB-2023-023 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee nominate Trustee Yates to serve 
on the Gabriola Recreation and Electoral Area B Parks and Trails Master Plan 
Advisory Committee. 
CARRIED 
 
3.4 First Nation Reports – nothing to report 
 
4. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
 Two members of the public requested that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee (LTC) 
support the Staff recommendation that the LTC not pursue the Canadian Mortgage and 
Housing (CMHC) Housing Accelerator Funding. One individual supported the 

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recommendation that the LTC focus on housing as a priority as part of the Official 
Community Plan (OCP) / Land Use Bylaw (LUB) review, while the other individual requested 
that the LTC not make housing a priority, but instead that climate emergency and 
Reconciliation be the primary lens for the review. 
 A member of the public indicated support of a letter written by Wendy Shaw dated April 23, 
2023 in which Ms. Shaw requests that the LTC ask Bylaw Enforcement to dismiss the current 
action against her regarding a structure on the foreshore of her property. A second member 
of the public noted that the rocky structure in question also spans a length of the beach in 
front of approximately 20 other properties and has been in place for 20 to 30 years and also 
supports dismissal of the enforcement matter. 
 A member of the public referenced correspondence from the Dead Boats Disposal Society 
and requested that the LTC support the Society and bring to their attention the derelict 
boats located in Degnan Bay. 
 
5. MINUTES 
 
5.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated March 30, 2023 – for adoption 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
 On page 7, Item 12.2 should read that Trustees expressed their congratulations to 
Snuneymuxw First Nation for successfully hosting the Junior All Native Basketball 
Tournament. 
 
By general consent the minutes were adopted as amended. 
 
GB-2023-024 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the minutes of the April 28, 2023 Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee special 
meeting be forwarded to the Local Trust Committee to be adopted and published by the 
Regional District of Nanaimo (RDN). 
CARRIED 
 
5.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report - none 
 
5.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none 
 
6. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
 
6.1 Follow-up Action List dated May 2, 2023 
 
6.1.1 Follow Up Action List: Density Donation Outreach Project - Trustee Yates - for 
discussion 
 

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A Planner summarized the intent of the Density Donation Outreach Project and 
actions taken to solicit interest. Discussion ensued and it was determined that 
the project has generated limited interest and success to date. 
 
GB-2023-025 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee remove the density donation 
outreach program from the follow up action list and from the future projects  
list. 
CARRIED 
 
A Trustee questioned the status of the January 26, 2023 Follow Up Action 
Report item regarding correspondence that was sent to the Executive 
Committee (EC) outlining concerns over proposed flight path changes. The 
Regional Planning Manager indicated that Trust Council did not wish to proceed 
further with the letter, therefore the action item was marked completed. 
Discussion ensued. 
 
GB-2023-026 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request the Chair of the Local 
Trust Committee work with staff to write a letter of concern to Nav Canada 
regarding the proposed flight path changes, and that documentation and letters 
from Gabriola residents be included for information.  
CARRIED 
 
6.2 Upcoming Gabriola Local Trust Committee Regular Meetings for June 8 & July 20, 2023 
- update from Regional Planning Manager 
The Regional Planning Manager noted that no venues were available for the June 8, 
2023 meeting and outlined logistical challenges of holding the July 20, 2023 meeting on 
Mudge Island.  
 
GB-2023-027 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee schedule its regular business meeting 
virtually for June 8, 2023. 
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GB-2023-028 
It was MOVED AND SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee schedule its regular business meeting for 
July 20, 2023 at the Gabriola Arts and Heritage Hall on Gabriola Island. 
CARRIED 
 

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6.3 Clarification regarding resolution for letter to Snuneymuxw First Nations for the OCP 
Project 
The Regional Planning Manager indicated that the letter should state “and other First 
Nations.” 
 
GB-2023-029 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request that staff draft a letter on behalf 
of the Gabriola Local Trust Committee to Snuneymuxw First Nation and other First 
Nations who may have an interest in Gabriola Island, learning how the Nations might 
wish to be involved with an Official Community Plan review project on Gabriola Island 
and how we might respect the Nation's engagement priorities at this time. 
 
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7. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
 
7.1 Closing of OCP/LUB application GB-RZ-2022.1 commercial and residential 
redevelopment of the Wild Rose Garden Centre - Staff Report 
It was noted that the applicant was in attendance. 
 
A Planner reviewed the Staff Report and discussion ensued. 
 
GB-2023-030 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request that staff provide the applicant 
an extension to November 30, 2023 to complete the required reports required for 
application GB-RZ-2022.1. 
CARRIED 
 
8. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS - none 
 
9. DELEGATIONS - none 
 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
 
10.1 Correspondence from W. Shaw dated April 5, 2023  
Discussion ensued and the applicant indicated the following: 
 She was advised to remove the rocks on the foreshore of her property by June 15, 
2023 or apply for Crown Tenure; 
 The Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) was contacted in 2001 regarding 
permission to construct a sea wall, which was not approved; however, based on the 

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response received from DFO the applicant followed the guidelines outlined within 
the reply; and 
 Over an estimated period of over twenty years, rocks have been placed on the 
foreshore along the entire stretch of beach in front of approximately twenty homes. 
 
Trustees noted the following: 
 The letters submitted by the applicant’s neighbours have been taken into 
consideration; and 
 There is a need to consider environmental impacts of removing the rocks. 
 
The Bylaw Enforcement Officer advised that: 
 The rock structure was built in the summer of 2002 in front of the applicant’s 
property after receipt of the letter from DFO which specified how to do the work 
properly in order to minimize habitat and foreshore damage; 
 That said letter did not constitute approval and that placement of the rocks would 
have contravened the bylaws in place at that time; and 
 If the bylaw complaint action was dropped it would be up to the Province to 
determine if action is required regarding an application for Crown Tenure. 
 
GB-2023-031 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request staff to write a report on 
correspondence received from Wendy Shaw dated April 5, 2023 to indicate appropriate 
direction to be taken. 
CARRIED 
 
10.2 Correspondence from The Dead Boats Disposal Society dated April 27, 2023 
Correspondence was received for information. Bylaw Enforcement Officer Dingman 
stated that Transport Canada would be going to Degnan Bay in the upcoming week and 
that some boats are slated to be removed. 
 
The meeting recessed for a break at 12:30 pm and reconvened at 1:00 pm. 
 
11. NEW BUSINESS - none 
 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Climate Change Action Update - none 
 
12.2 First Nations Relationship Building - none 
 
12.3 Trust Conservancy Report – none 
It was noted that the extent of the tree cutting that was done in the Elder Cedar  
(S’ul-hween X’pey) Nature Reserve would be discussed at the upcoming May 30, 2023 
Trust Conservancy meeting.  
 
12.4 Applications Report dated May 2, 2023 
Received. 
 

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12.5 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated March, 2023 
Received. 
 
12.6 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
 
12.7 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
No updates. 
 
12.8 Approval of Gabriola Island's LTC Section for 2022/23 Annual Report - request for 
decision 
Trustees noted that the following amendments should be made to the text: 
 Add the traditional name, S’ul-hween X’pey, for the Elder Cedar Nature Reserve. 
 Change the term “housing options” to “housing options and impacts.” 
 
GB-2023-032 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee approves the attached text with 
amendments for inclusion in the 2022/23 Annual Report for approval by Trust Council 
and submission to the Minister of Municipal Affairs.   
CARRIED 
12.9 Housing Accelerator Fund Potential Application - Request for Decision 
A Planner reviewed the staff report and highlighted the following: 
 There is limited time and limited staff resources available to complete the necessary 
work needed for the funding application, and that the Executive Committee would 
need to approve said reallocation; 
 There is limited opportunity for community engagement;  
 There is a requirement of the housing funding program to have a housing action 
plan in place; and 
 If the charter for the OCP review has a focus on housing as a priority, then a suitable 
land analysis and ground water availability assessment can be undertaken, which 
can be used to create a housing action plan. 
 
Discussion ensued. 
 
GB-2023-033 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
That the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee not pursue the Canadian Mortgage and 
Housing Corporation’s Housing Accelerator Funding at this time.    
CARRIED 
GB-2023-034 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
That the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request staff to develop a project 
charter for the Official Community Plan/Land Use Bylaw review which focusses on 
housing as a priority.  
CARRIED 

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13. WORK PROGRAM 
 
13.1 Active Projects Report dated May 2, 2023 
Received. 
 
13.2 Future Projects Report dated May 2, 2023 
Received. 
 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:30 am.  
   
GB-2023-035 
  It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Regular Meeting on June 8, 2023 begin 
at 9:00am and be held electronically. 
CARRIED 
15. CLOSED MEETING 
 
15.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
   
GB-2023-036 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1)(a) personal information about an identifiable individual who 
holds or is being considered for a position as an officer, employee or agent of the 
municipality or another position appointed by the municipality and (f) for the purpose 
law enforcement, if the council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected 
to harm the conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of an enactment, and 
that the Recorder and Staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
15.2 Recall to Order 
  The meeting was recalled to order at 2:37 pm. 
 
15.3 Rise and Report  
The Chair will Rise and Report on the Housing Advisory Planning Committee 
appointments at the next regular meeting of the LTC. 
 
16. ADJOURNMENT  
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:39 pm. 
 
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Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Lisa Millard, Recorder