Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, May 18, 2023

[0:00:09] Voice 8: Thanks, sir. Good morning,

[0:00:12] Voice 11: everybody. Sorry for the delay there as we are figuring out our

[0:00:16] Voice 11: technical issues. Welcome to the May 18th, 2023 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee meeting.

[0:00:26] Voice 11: We've got a

[0:00:26] Voice 8: technical reverb.

[0:00:31] Voice 8: How are we doing now?

[0:00:35] Voice 8: No, you're not on mute.

[0:00:36] Voice 8: No, no, no.

[0:00:39] Voice 8: There's a mute on.

[0:00:42] Voice 8: There's a mute not on.

[0:00:44] Voice 8: Oh, it's a mute.

[0:00:45] Voice 8: I get to hear you twice.

[0:00:49] Voice 8: So much better.

[0:01:43] Voice 12: Verbal on SWPA today?

[0:01:48] Voice 8: The SWPA report is that we had some in June.

[0:01:56] Voice 8: Okay, is there anything else interesting or no,

[0:02:00] Voice 10: okay, nothing else from you just on after

[0:02:04] Voice 10: sure I'd like to provide a verbal update on the housing accelerator.

[0:02:11] Voice 10: Okay,

[0:02:12] Voice 8: where would you like that.

[0:02:14] Voice 10: they would be probably best to discuss with people and talk about the OCP project charter

[0:02:19] Voice 10: and the Gandy so possibly a new morning

[0:02:22] Voice 8: session on the process yes

[0:02:29] Voice 8: okay just yeah

[0:02:35] Voice 8: yeah okay well so we'll do that housing accelerator 10.5

[0:02:46] Voice 8: and that'll be a verbal

[0:02:52] Voice 8: verbal report okay and if

[0:02:59] Voice 11: there's nothing else then i'll take it by general consent that will

[0:03:04] Voice 11: approve the agenda as amended and that takes us into our town hall and questions section

[0:03:14] Voice 11: and um i just remind everyone uh this is a place of work and be respectful and speak to issues

[0:03:24] Voice 11: issues and not individuals and so with that I'll look for a show of hands and see who would like

[0:03:30] Voice 11: to address the committee okay so I'm going to start and back with Maxine there oh I prefer

[0:03:37] Voice 6: to go okay I'm

[0:03:39] Voice 11: going to start on this end um

[0:03:41] Voice 18: um um read as fast as I can and make a tip

[0:03:47] Voice 18: want to call your attention to a possible problem with an item on your agenda request for development

[0:03:53] Voice 18: my very internet for a property line adjustment for the lower cemetery lower ganses road at chan

[0:04:01] Voice 18: baker road is it might interfere with fixing a dangerous situation at the center section

[0:04:05] Voice 18: i've lived at the end of baker road since 1980 and two years ago i stopped the procedure that we

[0:04:11] Voice 18: think intersected thousands of times under normal driving conditions for no concern after the pathway

[0:04:17] Voice 18: we constructed my spouse and i observed that the lion site was seriously reduced um a hill on lower

[0:04:23] Voice 18: pantons road to the north with added block barricade strikes you of oncoming traffic

[0:04:28] Voice 18: if a car comes over the hill at this wrong time just want someone who's turning in or out of baker

[0:04:32] Voice 18: roads with any of that things would be impossible after the pathway was constructed a group of

[0:04:37] Voice 18: concerned baker admin road residents immediately expressed concern to the transportation commission

[0:04:43] Voice 18: and although mitigating actions have been discussed over the past two years then it's

[0:04:47] Voice 18: occurred the danger still persists and we can continue to fear for the safety of every

[0:04:52] Voice 18: pedestrian cyclist and vehicle that uses that intersection it's part of my standard goodbye

[0:04:58] Voice 18: farewell to everyone leaving our house to be sure and use extreme caution as they turn either north

[0:05:04] Voice 18: or south on the lower gandhi's road because of the lack of disability i'm concerned that the

[0:05:09] Voice 18: proposed change in the property line at this intersection might interfere with remediation

[0:05:14] Voice 18: of its hazard i'm not an

[0:05:15] Voice 18: expert crd needs to be consulted please refrain from approving this dvp

[0:05:21] Voice 18: until it can be investigated by CRD and our CRD director.

[0:05:25] Voice 18: Also, if the island's trust can help remedy this dangerous situation,

[0:05:29] Voice 18: we'd be greatly appreciated.

[0:05:31] Voice 18: And just yesterday at the center section,

[0:05:34] Voice 18: my spouse was driving, waiting to turn,

[0:05:37] Voice 18: and a cyclist on the path with an electric bike came full speed,

[0:05:42] Voice 18: and he almost hit her.

[0:05:43] Voice 18: So it is a dangerous intersection.

[0:05:46] Voice 18: Thank you very much.

[0:05:47] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:05:48] Voice 11: Thank you for that.

[0:05:49] Voice 11: Maxine, are you ready?

[0:05:50] Voice 11: The

[0:05:50] Voice 18: question went,

[0:05:52] Voice 6: and I'm addressing the fact that I was on the transportation section,

[0:05:56] Voice 6: Dennis, I was brought on to make sure you understand the situation there, because of

[0:06:03] Voice 6: the wall and pathway that was built, you can no longer see when you pull out of Baker Road

[0:06:11] Voice 6: and you want to turn left or right, there's a hill like that up to your left, and you

[0:06:17] Voice 6: You can't see the car until they come up to the top of that hill.

[0:06:21] Voice 6: And so there's a very short time frame because the cars are going fast to get out.

[0:06:27] Voice 6: And in order to get on, you need to go way into where the bike, which was talking about a bike would be coming down.

[0:06:35] Voice 6: You have

[0:06:35] Voice 19: to be there, right?

[0:06:38] Voice 19: And the

[0:06:39] Voice 6: bike people don't, I don't know, they don't slow down even though there's a road there.

[0:06:44] Voice 6: or there so we're just concerned that this uh change of property line that you're being asked

[0:06:51] Voice 6: to approve they should check the crd to see if there's any so that because we do hope to get

[0:06:59] Voice 6: this fixed eventually

[0:07:00] Voice 8: by the crd any question nope

[0:07:04] Voice 12: okay

[0:07:07] Voice 8: thank you and did i see your hand up

[0:07:11] Voice 8: in the middle no okay uh hendry

[0:07:14] Voice 16: clark it's julian clark uh spokesperson for concern residents canvas

[0:07:20] Voice 16: back i'd like to just take 10 seconds of your time and just first show you what is going on

[0:07:30] Voice 8: show there this is this is this is what it means to be 40 meters from a cell tower site this is

[0:07:41] Voice 16: yesterday afternoon and my computer doesn't have very high fan that's what it that's what it means

[0:07:49] Voice 16: to be 40 meters from the 14-story tower that's being erected they're pounding the ground by the

[0:07:56] Voice 16: way this grandma is defined as a sensitive uh environmentally

[0:08:02] Voice 8: sensitive location in your ocp

[0:08:06] Voice 8: um when rogers applied

[0:08:11] Voice 16: to do this they said the sound wouldn't be any louder than the

[0:08:13] Voice 16: building of a home and i think you'll find that the residents close by would tell you that that

[0:08:18] Voice 16: that is not the case.

[0:08:20] Voice 16: That shouldn't come as a surprise.

[0:08:22] Voice 16: Rogers-

[0:08:23] Trustee Patrick: There is a home being built right there.

[0:08:25] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, there's nothing comparable.

[0:08:26] Voice 16: You bet.

[0:08:28] Voice 16: But we shouldn't be surprised.

[0:08:30] Voice 16: Rogers have taken liberty with their assertions

[0:08:32] Voice 16: throughout this whole process.

[0:08:35] Voice 16: We obviously are disappointed that at the last meeting,

[0:08:39] Voice 16: you chose not to send that letter on to ICET

[0:08:41] Voice 16: and asking that they follow procedural fairness

[0:08:45] Voice 16: and natural justice in reviewing your impasse request.

[0:08:50] Voice 16: Um, and I guess, you know, as a result, unfortunately, we got the result that we didn't want.

[0:08:56] Voice 16: The gentleman that we identified as having an appearance of a conflict of interest last

[0:09:02] Voice 16: September, September of 2022, it's the same gentleman who misrepresented what was said

[0:09:08] Voice 16: in the staff report, uh, when he responded to your March 23rd letter this year at ICIT.

[0:09:15] Voice 16: And it's the same gentleman who's now decided that this matter doesn't qualify.

[0:09:21] Voice 16: to be a dispute.

[0:09:23] Voice 8: It's unbelievable.

[0:09:27] Voice 8: But thank God we live in Canada,

[0:09:30] Voice 8: because in Canada, under the Federal Court Act,

[0:09:36] Voice 8: federal tribunals, commissions, and agencies

[0:09:39] Voice 8: are

[0:09:41] Voice 16: held in check by the federal court.

[0:09:43] Voice 16: And they're held in check

[0:09:45] Voice 16: through a judicial review process.

[0:09:48] Voice 16: We will be filing a judicial review application

[0:09:52] Voice 16: next Friday at the Register of Federal Courts in Vancouver.

[0:09:56] Voice 16: What we're going to show in that, and this application, unfortunately, it takes over six months to complete.

[0:10:04] Voice 16: That tower is going to be built by then.

[0:10:07] Voice 16: But what grounds we're going after is that ICED's actions have been unlawful.

[0:10:11] Voice 16: They're noncompliant with CPC 203.

[0:10:14] Voice 16: That ICED's actions have not followed procedural fairness.

[0:10:19] Voice 16: They've ignored everything that you've said and that we've said.

[0:10:22] Voice 16: And that their actions have not been compliant with natural justice.

[0:10:27] Voice 16: I apologize for going over and and they're not compliant with natural justice because quite

[0:10:32] Voice 16: frankly these individuals are not open-minded not unbiased and we're going to show all those things

[0:10:39] Voice 16: in doing this judicial review we've researched other judicial reviews and it is in most cases

[0:10:48] Voice 16: the municipality that has to come forward and make the judicial review application we don't

[0:10:56] Voice 16: believe you're going to do that. And we don't believe that even if you wanted to, that you

[0:11:00] Voice 16: would have the ability to get it done that quickly. We do, and we're going to get it done.

[0:11:08] Voice 8: We are required to name the

[0:11:11] Voice 16: local trust committee in that judicial review application. And we can

[0:11:15] Voice 16: name you in one of two ways, either as a co

[0:11:17] Voice 8: -applicant or as a respondent. I'm here today

[0:11:24] Voice 8: day to ask you to consider

[0:11:26] Voice 16: working with us on this and joining us in becoming a co-applicant

[0:11:32] Voice 16: in that judicial review process and if you have any questions about a judicial review

[0:11:36] Voice 16: I am full of information ask me I'll get you what the courts say I've got documents on exactly how

[0:11:42] Voice 16: you go about doing an application what's required I've got prior cases and I think you know how

[0:11:49] Voice 16: tenacious we have been we are going to get this stopped and the first thing we're going to ask

[0:11:56] Voice 16: the courts to do is to is to force riders to stop building until this judicial review is completed

[0:12:04] Voice 8: thank you very much for your time thank you for that um yes good

[0:12:13] Voice 15: morning my name is elaine

[0:12:14] Voice 15: sinkfield and i too am a concerned uh member of the concerned residents of canvas back place

[0:12:21] Voice 15: regarding the cell tower my home is two houses in from the steep hill that goes up to the site

[0:12:28] Voice 15: and my back door is within 200 feet of the of the tower build um i echo what julian has said

[0:12:35] Voice 15: but in addition i wanted to bring to your attention my concern because i yesterday

[0:12:42] Voice 15: Yesterday, I felt like I was living in an industrial park, zone site, with all the noise and the pounding of the ground, which they're using some huge crane-like device to pound the ground.

[0:12:56] Voice 15: As you know, we're in a very rocky part of the island.

[0:13:00] Voice 15: We are probably the hottest part of the island.

[0:13:03] Voice 15: In fact, my ex-neighbor used to call it the Okanagan of Salt Spring Island, and we have a ton of room up there.

[0:13:10] Voice 15: So I wanted to bring to your attention today, and I don't know if you can address this or can suggest who can.

[0:13:17] Voice 15: I'm just wondering who provides oversight in terms of this industrial-like site, this field, in terms of fire risk and fire concern.

[0:13:29] Voice 15: Is there water up there that they can actually suppress a spark or an ignition if something happens with all this equipment and they're hitting a rock and a spark flies?

[0:13:39] Voice 15: we're in drought conditions now um we have a ton of broom up there if anything happens in terms of

[0:13:46] Voice 15: fire we're going to be absolutely hooped i have experienced a house fire when i lived in yukon

[0:13:52] Voice 15: and it is no fun and i'm i guess my spiny senses are heightened more than most people

[0:13:57] Voice 15: in addition there were a ton of cigarette butts on the top of that steep hill to the site

[0:14:03] Voice 15: um a month ago and i went and talked to the wilco guys who were building the house

[0:14:08] Voice 15: by the hill and brought over a sand bucket for them and they've done a sign saying butts in here

[0:14:15] Voice 15: and talked with them they were excellent they're using it i don't know if people on the rogers

[0:14:21] Voice 15: build are smoking as well and how are they putting out their cigarettes but we get a lot of wind up

[0:14:26] Voice 15: there if you combine sun heat spark and wind we will be hooked so i just wanted to bring that to

[0:14:34] Voice 15: your attention it's it's very concerning thank you

[0:14:39] Voice 8: yes oh she didn't catch your last name sink

[0:14:50] Voice 6: thank you yeah

[0:14:53] Voice 11: i'm not sure uh

[0:14:55] Voice 9: maybe oh maybe just you know

[0:14:57] Voice 9: speak to the buyer deal um you know you

[0:15:00] Voice 9: can look at either talk to the fire hall or look at the fire rating scale there's one at central

[0:15:06] Voice 9: one in fulford and one in ganges i think now it's still on moderate um fire risk rating

[0:15:15] Voice 9: and if it gets so dry the scale you know they'll put it up and then you know heavy equipment can't

[0:15:24] Voice 9: be run when it's the extreme after extreme for so many days there's a broad description of it

[0:15:30] Voice 9: but if you were to talk to them so i

[0:15:33] Voice 15: guess my question is what government like or body has

[0:15:38] Voice 15: jurisdiction to ensure that people are

[0:15:41] Voice 15: following protocols and the

[0:15:43] Voice 11: fire hall will go around okay

[0:15:45] Voice 11: thank you do

[0:15:48] Voice 11: you guys have uh uh a regional fire

[0:15:51] Voice 8: warden on something i don't know about that

[0:15:55] Voice 11: they'll probably be through

[0:15:57] Voice 17: that through the rd no no

[0:15:59] Voice 17: the fire district system an improvement

[0:16:01] Voice 17: the district so he uh captain

[0:16:04] Voice 8: jamie hollins but that's where uh maybe that's where you should go

[0:16:11] Voice 8: all right was

[0:16:15] Voice 11: there anyone else that wanted to address the local trust committee today

[0:16:19] Voice 11: yes sir hi

[0:16:20] Voice 5: my name is john curtsy i'm a recent uh member of the farmland trust based on the new guy

[0:16:26] Voice 5: um uh so uh the request is very simply to uh start again the meetings between the ag alliance

[0:16:33] Voice 5: and food producers and the

[0:16:35] Voice 5: AAPC that gets going

[0:16:37] Voice 5: in its nature.

[0:16:38] Voice 8: And the LTC.

[0:16:40] Voice 5: The LTC.

[0:16:42] Voice 5: Right, sorry.

[0:16:45] Voice 5: They said the least

[0:16:46] Voice 5: informed member.

[0:16:48] Voice 5: But yeah, we're, I mean,

[0:16:51] Voice 5: I joined specifically to work on food security

[0:16:52] Voice 5: on Salt Spring Island and we're

[0:16:55] Voice 5: stuck in a position where we're

[0:16:56] Voice 5: growing something like 4% of the food we eat

[0:16:58] Voice 5: and we need to ramp up very, very quickly.

[0:17:01] Voice 5: I think

[0:17:02] Voice 5: for the next few years and we really want to be in conversation while we're doing that

[0:17:06] Voice 5: that's it thank

[0:17:09] Voice 8: you thank you

[0:17:11] Voice 8: is there anyone else that would like to address

[0:17:16] Voice 11: the local trust committee

[0:17:20] Voice 11: okay not seeing under one um last night's town hall

[0:17:24] Voice 11: it's okay good time yeah i

[0:17:25] Voice 11: i would i was actually going to do it in your report

[0:17:27] Voice 11: do that in my report um you

[0:17:33] Voice 8: know is that right we don't have any delegations today that's correct

[0:17:41] Voice 8: okay uh so then we'll move on to trustee reports who would like to go first all right

[0:17:50] Voice 8: all right sure well it's been a very busy

[0:17:58] Voice 8: pick up i was gonna say spring but i

[0:17:59] Trustee Patrick: think we missed spring i know i missed it it seemed to

[0:18:02] Trustee Patrick: go on right to summer uh attended the trust council governance committee is uh still new

[0:18:08] Trustee Patrick: getting its work in order i think um it's it's a great community to have we have a retired judge

[0:18:14] Trustee Patrick: Judge is the chair, so it's been a very enlightening and learning experience being on that committee.

[0:18:21] Trustee Patrick: I met with the Salt Springs Accommodation Group, who are supportive in asking for regulatory solutions for managing vacation rentals.

[0:18:30] Trustee Patrick: It's quite an unusual thing to have an industry group asking to be regulated, but they are.

[0:18:35] Trustee Patrick: I met with John, who has just left the room here, John Cooksey, who is working with the Farmland Trust to increase food security.

[0:18:42] Trustee Patrick: and um i wish he was still here because he had he had visited a farmer on the island who

[0:18:50] Trustee Patrick: shared his frustrations with housing workers and the challenges that he went through and john wrote

[0:18:57] Trustee Patrick: of just a incredible piece on his experience and how you know what he heard from this farmer

[0:19:03] Trustee Patrick: frustrated and it really is something we all need to take to heart that our island farmers need

[0:19:11] Trustee Patrick: workers we the ALR is built for Chilliwack large mechanized farms and we have human run farms

[0:19:19] Trustee Patrick: and none of our farmers can house them and yes we've expanded the housing but they can't afford

[0:19:26] Trustee Patrick: to go build all that they want to have compost toilets they want to have innovative things that

[0:19:31] Trustee Patrick: they can do to house the workers that they need so it's great to have someone new kicking off

[0:19:39] Trustee Patrick: food security certain his impressions i attended my very first ferry advisory committee meeting

[0:19:47] Trustee Patrick: bc ferries indicated that salt spring is among the worst in their system for housing availability for

[0:19:53] Trustee Patrick: their staff i wish they would say that publicly i asked them to i think i'm going to annoy and

[0:19:59] Trustee Patrick: bug them so that they will because it's a powerful thing to say it is affecting their ability to

[0:20:06] Trustee Patrick: to attract and retain staff.

[0:20:09] Trustee Patrick: BC Ferries staff had received the letter that we had sent

[0:20:12] Trustee Patrick: asking to integrate community planning in BC Ferries.

[0:20:16] Trustee Patrick: And they were appreciative of that letter

[0:20:18] Trustee Patrick: and indicated that a change has been directed

[0:20:21] Trustee Patrick: by their new CEO or whoever they called their person.

[0:20:25] Trustee Patrick: And I think there's an opportunity for us

[0:20:27] Trustee Patrick: to get more involved in really integrating community

[0:20:31] Trustee Patrick: planning and ferry planning as it should be.

[0:20:34] Trustee Patrick: And I think you saw in the paper

[0:20:36] Trustee Patrick: that they announced that they had some unscheduled emergency maintenance that they're

[0:20:40] Trustee Patrick: going to be doing at the Fulford Ferry Terminal right during our busy summer period. So all of

[0:20:45] Trustee Patrick: you who thought the bathroom project was done, it's back, but it's a different project. So expect

[0:20:52] Trustee Patrick: planes to be missing from the parking lot for just the wrong time of year. Adam Olson and I

[0:21:00] Trustee Patrick: I met with Minister Rabi Kayon, who's the new Minister of Housing.

[0:21:04] Trustee Patrick: This was a meeting that we had started actually for last summer,

[0:21:09] Trustee Patrick: when David Eby had the housing portfolio and we finally got to meet with him.

[0:21:14] Trustee Patrick: One of the reasons we were meeting with him was that the Rural Island Economic Forum

[0:21:20] Trustee Patrick: was having a meeting that week, and I was going to be hosting a panel on housing

[0:21:25] Trustee Patrick: and action labs that resulted in resolutions.

[0:21:28] Trustee Patrick: Solutions. We wanted to give the minister a heads up that a bunch of rural isles were going to be

[0:21:32] Trustee Patrick: asking things of the province. He had received Salt Spring Solutions paper. He had read it. He

[0:21:39] Trustee Patrick: had it in front of him. He was informed by it. He asked questions. He asked questions about vacation

[0:21:44] Trustee Patrick: rentals and the impact on the island. And we talked about, you know, we really tried to talk

[0:21:55] Trustee Patrick: about what's happening in the island. So he got an idea, a feeling of what's the situation

[0:21:59] Trustee Patrick: now as all the cabinet ministers are they listen well but we did ask for help on helping all the

[0:22:08] Trustee Patrick: disparate groups that are working on housing get together that that was something that that was our

[0:22:13] Trustee Patrick: ask of him uh so i was at the rural island economic forum um which i paid for myself to attend um and

[0:22:22] Trustee Patrick: i hosted the panel we have galliano green denman green and gabriel of paisley place as well as

[0:22:27] Trustee Patrick: justine stark from the crd on the panel panelists really emphasized the immense risk that they go

[0:22:33] Trustee Patrick: into before a project even gets close to financing how much money these not-for-profits have to put

[0:22:39] Trustee Patrick: in to try to get a project off the ground they asked for better coordination and support

[0:22:45] Trustee Patrick: for all these non-profits profits in a coordinated fashion across the rural islands rural island

[0:22:50] Trustee Patrick: form includes quadra and cortez islands outside the islands trust as well and uh everyone's

[0:22:57] Trustee Patrick: experiencing the same problem and um and we had an action lab and they're going to be going very

[0:23:04] Trustee Patrick: public with the resolutions that came out of that there was good zingers i think i hope we'll get

[0:23:09] Trustee Patrick: some attention um i told you that was still that same week i had a chair of the regional planning

[0:23:16] Trustee Patrick: committee for the trust council and it was all about um housing okay so continued the housing

[0:23:25] Trustee Patrick: theme there um i really like my co-chair uh sam bothrick from denman island he led a strategic

[0:23:32] Trustee Patrick: section of that meeting he had a phrase he said what are the seeds we need to plant today to

[0:23:38] Trustee Patrick: create the islands of tomorrow and that was funny place for our conversations school to have some

[0:23:44] Trustee Patrick: young people on the trust council um as a member of the trust i'm a member of the trust council

[0:23:51] Trustee Patrick: working group and we've made really good progress on the corporate planning process we're recommending

[0:23:55] Trustee Patrick: i um was a guest on cbc's a gregor craggers craggies craggies or however you say his name

[0:24:02] Trustee Patrick: morning show on may 4th that was following the green party's call for regulating short-term

[0:24:06] Trustee Patrick: vacation rentals and so he was uh talking and talked about the extent of the issue on salt

[0:24:12] Trustee Patrick: spring and the need to regulate them um and i should say i sent to gary yesterday that the ubcm

[0:24:18] Trustee Patrick: put out an update that they're expecting the province's fall legislation to include data

[0:24:22] Trustee Patrick: sharing and requiring all vacation rental staff business licenses it's not just me anymore gary

[0:24:27] Trustee Patrick: it's ubcm um i attended salt spring housing council meeting this group is reinvigorated and

[0:24:34] Trustee Patrick: getting a lot more members and we have most projects are in the very early stages with

[0:24:41] Trustee Patrick: exception of dragonfly on the road which is progress um the island stressed a webinar uh

[0:24:50] Trustee Patrick: last week with the provincial watershed security staff i stressed the need that we needed support

[0:24:56] Trustee Patrick: uh on our watershed uh protection strategy um myself and the members of the two members in

[0:25:06] Trustee Patrick: the task force for housing task force helped staff with the communication materials for bylaw 530.

[0:25:12] Trustee Patrick: And this Tuesday night, I attended a dinner with islanders here, hearing about this exciting initiative of the Study Learning Society.

[0:25:22] Trustee Patrick: Both of the Indigenous youth leaders spoke of the values of the projects down at Wakwum, Burgoyne Bay, as we know it.

[0:25:30] Trustee Patrick: It was a very emotional story that they shared that evening.

[0:25:36] Trustee Patrick: And the young man ended with a Van Gogh quote.

[0:25:39] Trustee Patrick: He said, what is done in love is done well.

[0:25:43] Trustee Patrick: and really talked about your heart and i when we talk about our ocp project later today and

[0:25:48] Trustee Patrick: really say that for salt spring we need to do that we need to leave with our heart

[0:25:51] Trustee Patrick: on what this community can be and

[0:25:54] Voice 8: that's my reporting thank you for that uh trustee harris

[0:25:58] Voice 8: thanks um

[0:26:00] Voice 9: yeah thanks for everybody for everybody for coming um and anybody watching

[0:26:06] Voice 9: online um i'd just like to report um and i'm going to keep it very short we still need zoning

[0:26:12] Voice 9: to facilitate workforce ownership housing projects um to be honest i'm feeling a little

[0:26:18] Voice 9: bit constrained and frustrated process number two we have a crd election coming up on may 27th

[0:26:28] Voice 9: very exciting to fill four positions for the brand new local community commission

[0:26:34] Voice 9: i'd just like to ask anybody watching and wanting to listen to uh please get out and vote you can

[0:26:41] Voice 9: vote for four people you can vote for four people there's plenty of signs around um you know and

[0:26:47] Voice 9: information out there online and uh hopefully an informed choice thank you and um i'll leave it at

[0:26:54] Voice 9: that may 27th thanks hey

[0:26:57] Voice 11: thank you for that and uh for my chair's report uh yeah i would mention

[0:27:04] Voice 11: that uh we did have a town hall evening town hall session the first of four that we're planning for

[0:27:10] Voice 11: the year uh last night at the fulford hall um five to seven to help accommodate folks that uh

[0:27:21] Voice 11: have difficulty taking time off work or their lives to to be in this forum in the in the

[0:27:27] Voice 11: working part of the day um i think it was uh my impression that was it was quite positive um

[0:27:35] Voice 11: Um, uh, I tried to keep it from being extremely formal without getting out of hand.

[0:27:42] Voice 11: And, and I, I, my, everyone was quite respectful and it was a good conversation about, you

[0:27:49] Voice 11: know, a few, uh, issues that, that are important to the people from Salisbury.

[0:27:53] Voice 11: So, um, long and short, I think it was a good, a good first outing, uh, for, for the evening

[0:28:00] Voice 11: town hall format um you know expressing the the will of this local trust committee to be a bit

[0:28:07] Voice 11: more accessible to the public at different times um let's see uh uh this friday in victoria

[0:28:17] Voice 11: we have a finally have a training session for vice chairs of trust council and chairs and vice

[0:28:26] Voice 11: chairs of committees, which means that all three of the people here on the LTC have an opportunity

[0:28:33] Voice 11: to go and attend that training, which is always a good thing. At the executive committee level,

[0:28:42] Voice 11: we've been planning towards the June Trust Council meeting,

[0:28:47] Voice 11: suggesting the possibility of an interim strategic plan

[0:28:51] Voice 11: uh with well the working group uh that laura mentioned is still underway uh the with the

[0:29:01] Voice 11: putting together the new corporate planning process and so um in terms of uh resourcing

[0:29:07] Voice 11: and and planning we need something in the meantime until that new um process is in place

[0:29:16] Voice 11: so that'll be going to trust council on june 1st of decisions there and uh on the first nations

[0:29:24] Voice 11: brand i just wanted to mention that uh we had a public hearing on galliano at the beginning of

[0:29:30] Voice 11: the month and uh um in uh not for the first time and certainly not for the last time i think we got

[0:29:41] Voice 11: but very late correspondence from a First Nation expressing not opposition,

[0:29:48] Voice 11: but not in support of the matter we had at hand.

[0:29:55] Voice 11: So Galliano Local Trust Committee's approach...

[0:30:00] Voice 11: to that was to hold off on on giving final readings to to that uh the matter the rezoning

[0:30:09] Voice 11: that was before us and to request that trust counsel um make try and prioritize a review of

[0:30:16] Voice 11: the first nation's referral process because it seems pretty clear that what's been going on

[0:30:25] Voice 11: is not viewed as uh a really robust prior and informed consent model and uh and we really need

[0:30:38] Voice 11: to do better i know that this this local trust committee has been in the situation where

[0:30:43] Voice 11: it's actually got you know very much last minute um uh correspondents from first nations and and

[0:30:52] Voice 11: it puts the whole process in an awkward situation so the request from galliano's that trust council

[0:30:58] Voice 11: as a whole really uh push for a review of how we've been doing it how we can do it better

[0:31:05] Voice 11: and and try and and move that process into a better space

[0:31:09] Voice 11: um uh in the spirit of reconciliation which trust council is committed to so that's my report for

[0:31:17] Voice 11: today and I'll go over to Regional Director Holman.

[0:31:22] Voice 17: Thanks Chair. I attended the LTC Town

[0:31:27] Voice 17: Hall meeting last night at Fulford. It was good that there weren't many people attending but I

[0:31:32] Voice 17: think it was an interesting discussion. The CRD Director got a little argumentative but other than

[0:31:40] Voice 17: that. It went smoothly. Thanks, Jamie, for mentioning the LCC election. So there has

[0:31:47] Voice 17: been one advanced poll already, and then there'll be another on the 24th of May

[0:31:56] Voice 17: at the Gospel Church in the Library, and on the 27th is Voting Day, and the polling stations

[0:32:05] Voice 17: will be the gospel, the library, and also Fulford Hall.

[0:32:09] Voice 17: And I look forward with some excitement and trepidation

[0:32:14] Voice 17: about who's going to get elected.

[0:32:17] Voice 17: It'll be a complete change in culture for CRE decision-making.

[0:32:24] Voice 17: But I look forward to it, and I'm committed to doing the best I can

[0:32:28] Voice 17: to work with whoever is selected to move Salisbury issues forward.

[0:32:33] Voice 17: In terms of workforce housing, there are two projects, proposals, actually alive right now with respect to workforce housing.

[0:32:46] Voice 17: One is the Seabreeze Motel.

[0:32:49] Voice 17: The Hospital Foundation has purchased the motel.

[0:32:52] Voice 17: There'll be another, I think they had a court hearing, I believe, yesterday and also another one today.

[0:33:03] Voice 17: and so that issue the uh about the tenants rights and uh will hopefully be resolved as a result

[0:33:12] Voice 17: uh bc housing has gone under the way to provide alternative accommodation for the happiness of

[0:33:18] Voice 17: folks living there um in my view bc housing could have played a more constructive role in all of

[0:33:24] Voice 17: this but uh in any case hopefully their issue gets resolved and the foundation can move ahead

[0:33:30] Voice 17: with renovating that building for health workers.

[0:33:34] Voice 17: Apparently, there are over 40 vacancies at the hospital.

[0:33:38] Voice 17: The hospital has been in a diversion situation,

[0:33:45] Voice 17: and apparently they periodically get into those situations

[0:33:48] Voice 17: where, I mean, if something's serious,

[0:33:51] Voice 17: you get Medevac helicoptered to Royal Jubilee in general,

[0:33:57] Voice 17: But I believe that for even less acute circumstances now, there's some diversion going on in part because of that, those vacancies.

[0:34:07] Voice 17: So hopefully the issue can get resolved in court.

[0:34:09] Voice 17: The other workforce housing project that's alive and well is the Dragonfly, and that's employee ownership housing on Drake Road, 30 units.

[0:34:22] Voice 17: So because it's an ownership model, they have to establish a water utility. And the CRD board at its last meeting agreed to pursue the devil in detail about establishing a CRD water utility within the North Salt Spring service area.

[0:34:44] Voice 17: So North Salt Spring, and the province are going to have to agree to this, fingers crossed that they will.

[0:34:50] Voice 17: North Salt Spring declined to manage the water utility for Dragonfly.

[0:34:57] Voice 17: CRD has stepped into that breach.

[0:35:01] Voice 17: So the board has agreed to continue moving forward with those arrangements.

[0:35:06] Voice 17: what i've heard so far is that the discussions are positive and uh dragonfly is um uh reasonably

[0:35:15] Voice 17: pleased with with a series response so um but door salt spring approval for establishing a

[0:35:23] Voice 17: utility within their service area that that's going to be the first step again on the housing

[0:35:32] Voice 17: The CRD board also approved a voter municipal consent process for a borrowing bylaw of $85 million for our land banking and housing function.

[0:35:50] Voice 17: So this is a renewal, I guess, of a regional housing first program where the CRD board $40 million.

[0:36:01] Voice 17: dollars that was matched by bc housing and cmhc for 120 million dollar fund most of those dollars

[0:36:07] Voice 17: now have been committed so this is the next this is the second tranche of an affordable housing

[0:36:14] Voice 17: initiative funding and we do hope that again we can get the senior governor partnership to

[0:36:20] Voice 17: multiply that 85 million uh crofton broke here benefited from the regional housing first the

[0:36:26] Voice 17: The program invested $3.5 million in the profit and broke the 54 affordable units.

[0:36:33] Voice 17: So this is the next step.

[0:36:34] Voice 17: And the approval process for municipalities is just a simple matter of municipal consent.

[0:36:40] Voice 17: In electoral areas, it has to be voter approval, and it will be a counter-petition alternative approval process,

[0:36:47] Voice 17: which is kind of like a negative billing thing.

[0:36:51] Voice 17: Rogers famous for that where if you don't want the initiative you'll see you sign a petition

[0:36:59] Voice 17: and if 10 percent of registered voters on Salisbury sign that petition the initiative

[0:37:04] Voice 17: fails here and because it's a regional initiative we the CRD needs two-thirds of local governments

[0:37:14] Voice 17: to approve Salisbury could say no four other local governments could say no and it would still

[0:37:20] Voice 17: proceed if there are 11 out of 16 local governments in the crd that boring bylaw will

[0:37:25] Voice 17: proceed i support it i know it's borrowing money 25-year term but at the end of that term

[0:37:32] Voice 17: the economic life of housing projects extends well beyond that regional housing first program

[0:37:41] Voice 17: with with the senior government funding that program 120 million

[0:37:48] Voice 17: and resulted in the construction of about or will result some projects are underway about 1800 units

[0:37:55] Voice 17: in the crd the crop and broke uh uh project was was one of those so um i'll be advocating on the

[0:38:04] Voice 17: counter fiction they'll be advertising and whatnot for the counterfication process i'll be advocating

[0:38:10] Voice 17: for that and hopefully salt burners will uh support it uh the other thing that happened

[0:38:15] Voice 17: to the board in terms of solid waste um the board has uh agreed to staff recommendations

[0:38:23] Voice 17: to ban construction waste uh uh particular kinds of construction waste from the heartland landfill

[0:38:31] Voice 17: in order to extend the life of that landfill so that would be uh wood uh products uh asphalt

[0:38:38] Voice 17: shingles and carpeting will be banned uh series staff have done their due diligence they believe

[0:38:45] Voice 17: that there are recycling opportunities for all those materials. In total, construction waste

[0:38:50] Voice 17: comprises about 40,000 tons a year that goes into the Hartman landfill. It's a major contributor to

[0:39:00] Voice 17: taking up space in the landfill. The other thing that will be done is the fee structure will be,

[0:39:07] Voice 17: the tipping fees will be increased and penalties for taking banned materials to Hartman will be

[0:39:14] Voice 17: also increased so that those measures will all be implemented at the beginning of next

[0:39:26] Voice 17: year. So there'll be time hopefully for industry homeowners to adjust to these new rules. I

[0:39:37] Voice 17: guess the silver lining to tipping fees at Parkland is that they fund recycling in the

[0:39:44] Voice 17: the regional district. So our depot here, recycling is free because it's funded entirely by

[0:39:50] Voice 17: fees from the Heartland Landfill and by Recycling BC, the new non-profit that supports recycling

[0:39:58] Voice 17: throughout BC. And Recycling BC gets about 100 million dollars a year in small surcharges on

[0:40:07] Voice 17: on paper and packaging products so as consumers we now pay a slightly increased price for those

[0:40:15] Voice 17: products but then that revenue goes to support recycling through BC and just one other the

[0:40:23] Voice 17: funding that rural depots get from recycling BC unfortunately because of their funding formula

[0:40:30] Voice 17: and we've never been able to get Recycling BC or the province to change it.

[0:40:36] Voice 17: Recycling BC funding only covers a small portion of the cost of our depot.

[0:40:42] Voice 17: The remainder is made up by the CRD.

[0:40:44] Voice 17: We didn't have to do this, but the remainder is made up by tipping fees from Heartland,

[0:40:49] Voice 17: directly from Heartland.

[0:40:51] Voice 17: That's how recycling used to be funded, and then Recycling BC stepped in.

[0:40:56] Voice 17: So that is one example where Salt Spring does get a pretty significant advantage from the CRD board for something they didn't necessarily have to do.

[0:41:08] Voice 17: A liquid waste auction study now is being commissioned by Salt and Fire.

[0:41:12] Voice 17: There'll be a report on that in the summer.

[0:41:16] Voice 17: The LCC, this will be one of the first items of business for the LCC to consider.

[0:41:21] Voice 17: We are now shipping all of our liquid waste offline.

[0:41:24] Voice 17: It's 97% water. It costs us $600,000 a year to do that.

[0:41:29] Voice 17: So one of the options that will be considered will be dewatering measures at Burgoyne.

[0:41:36] Voice 17: There'll be a cost associated with that, but the payback would be a reduction in costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[0:41:42] Voice 17: So this would be a really important issue that the LCC will be considering.

[0:41:47] Voice 17: Liquid waste is one of the services that will be delegated to the LCC.

[0:41:51] Voice 17: And, yeah, I guess just, oh, the, sorry, on housing, I forgot to mention the CMHC Accelerator Fund.

[0:42:01] Voice 17: I've talked to Chris Sutton more about the possibility of Searney Partnership.

[0:42:07] Voice 17: The Searney cannot apply for that fund.

[0:42:11] Voice 17: Land use authorities are the eligible applicants, but they can partner with other agencies.

[0:42:16] Voice 17: So I believe Chris is talking to Don Elliott in the CRD housing program about ways that we can collaborate.

[0:42:25] Voice 17: And just finally, there are AGMs for all of the CRD water utilities and waste treatment utilities.

[0:42:33] Voice 17: So there's seven, five water districts, Malibu and Ganges, sewage treatment.

[0:42:38] Voice 17: All of those entities are represented by ratepayers elected from their residents.

[0:42:45] Voice 17: and their AGMs

[0:42:47] Voice 17: are all coming up

[0:42:48] Voice 17: over the next couple of months

[0:42:50] Voice 17: and there

[0:42:52] Voice 17: are

[0:42:55] Voice 17: vacancies upon

[0:42:56] Voice 17: five of those except for Malibu

[0:42:58] Voice 17: and Seward Street and

[0:43:00] Voice 17: Fernwood Highland. There are

[0:43:02] Voice 17: vacancies on all of those

[0:43:04] Voice 17: commissions if people

[0:43:06] Voice 17: want to step forward and

[0:43:08] Voice 17: represent the rate payers on those

[0:43:10] Voice 17: committees. Thanks, Jim.

[0:43:12] Voice 17: Thank you, Director.

[0:43:14] Voice 11: Mayor Mrakas, So our next agenda item is draft minutes of salt spring local trust committee regular April 13 regular meeting, is there any corrections to those minutes yeah

[0:43:34] Voice 8: yeah sorry I'm just just contemplating.

[0:43:41] Voice 8: Mayor Mrakas, ourselves and talk about responding to anything

[0:43:45] Trustee Patrick: in the town hall.

[0:43:47] Voice 8: all

[0:43:47] Trustee Patrick: Julian's request and John's request then

[0:43:51] Voice 11: do you want to take a minute and do that or well I

[0:43:54] Trustee Patrick: don't know if you want to put that somewhere on the agenda or well

[0:43:57] Voice 11: why don't we put that under

[0:43:58] Voice 11: the new business section or there was a request uh from the canvas back residents and also from

[0:44:09] Voice 11: um

[0:44:11] Voice 8: yeah for the ad

[0:44:13] Voice 11: alliance aac and ltc to meet the

[0:44:18] Voice 8: other requests on the

[0:44:19] Voice 8: agenda okay

[0:44:20] Voice 11: um so is

[0:44:23] Voice 11: that reasonable to put it out those items for under new business mr

[0:44:28] Voice 10: chair the one regarding

[0:44:29] Voice 10: uh can this back i would suggest that we amend the uh motion to close the meeting

[0:44:34] Voice 10: okay

[0:44:34] Voice 11: yeah i actually could because that would be there would be some people with

[0:44:38] Voice 11: the implementation so we'll amend that okay ask uh to get the proper uh citation for that that's

[0:44:46] Voice 11: a good idea for that enclosed and then the other how about so we'll put the agalance request under

[0:44:51] Voice 11: 13.2 for

[0:44:52] Voice 8: sure okay would somebody let us know yeah we'd love your advice yeah um yeah okay

[0:45:06] Voice 11: Okay, thank you. All right. So now we schedule those in. So the minutes of April 13th. Anything from you, Trustee Harris on those?

[0:45:17] Voice 11: No. Okay.

[0:45:19] Voice 8: Trustee Patrick?

[0:45:21] Trustee Patrick: On page 11, item 13.1.

[0:45:28] Trustee Patrick: It

[0:45:28] Voice 8: says in the first

[0:45:29] Trustee Patrick: paragraph there, it says the trustee expressed concern regarding parking issues in the area. It was noted and.

[0:45:36] Trustee Patrick: lcd application was approved at this location last term i think it what we had a referral

[0:45:43] Trustee Patrick: that we passed on i i don't know if the application we don't approve applications

[0:45:48] Trustee Patrick: i don't think that statement i don't know if a application was ever approved for that site

[0:45:55] Trustee Patrick: page 11. so something's just not the lcd yeah

[0:46:01] Voice 8: yes

[0:46:02] Trustee Patrick: what we talked about was we saw it as a

[0:46:06] Trustee Patrick: a referral and had approved i don't approve the referrals we have passed it on you know

[0:46:14] Trustee Patrick: recommending approval but i don't

[0:46:17] Voice 8: know what else was approved i

[0:46:19] Voice 10: just don't think it's accurate

[0:46:21] Voice 10: we could take that note that the applicant was recommended for approval yes i think that was

[0:46:25] Voice 10: it yeah

[0:46:26] Trustee Patrick: that would be correct sorry i just want to make sure we're accurate yeah um and then

[0:46:34] Voice 6: Okay, so

[0:46:35] Voice 6: you're just changing was noted an LCB application was recommended for approval

[0:46:40] Voice 6: at this location.

[0:46:41] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:46:48] Trustee Patrick: There was another on page 14, you're getting to the building planning, second bottom trustee

[0:46:56] express support provisioning, planning and

[0:46:58] Trustee Patrick: service limitations, or I think it was just

[0:47:02] Trustee Patrick: service delivery

[0:47:03] Trustee Patrick: such as, it wasn't about

[0:47:05] Trustee Patrick: it was about the two had to be discussed

[0:47:07] Trustee Patrick: at the

[0:47:07] Voice 8: same time. Service

[0:47:10] Voice 8: delivery, not limitations.

[0:47:14] Voice 8: So

[0:47:15] Voice 6: trustee expressed support

[0:47:17] Voice 6: provisioning timing and

[0:47:19] Voice 6: service delivery

[0:47:21] Voice 6: service delivery

[0:47:23] Voice 6: such as

[0:47:24] Voice 6: so take out limitations.

[0:47:26] Voice 8: Yes. Okay.

[0:47:30] Voice 8: And that

[0:47:32] Voice 8: was all I have.

[0:47:32] Voice 8: that okay

[0:47:34] Voice 11: so if that's all the amendments for that uh can i take it by general consent that

[0:47:42] Voice 11: the minutes of april 13th uh be adopted as amended okay so that brings us to the

[0:47:49] Voice 11: draft minutes of the april 28th uh special meeting is there anything there trustee harris thank you

[0:47:57] Voice 11: no me against you

[0:47:59] Voice 8: patrick um

[0:48:00] Trustee Patrick: though i don't know if we just need clarity each section

[0:48:03] Trustee Patrick: was you know like regarding this conversations the following trustee responses were noticed

[0:48:08] Trustee Patrick: um these are just responses that were no agreements so i just wonder you know when

[0:48:15] Trustee Patrick: the record is there that somebody could read this and think that we discussed all these things and

[0:48:19] Trustee Patrick: we as a body agreed to those bullets rather you know so i just don't know if there needs to be

[0:48:26] Trustee Patrick: clarity it did say trustees responses might not say individual trustee responses or something of

[0:48:32] Trustee Patrick: that nature just so that it's not you know we didn't sit there and hash out agreement on those

[0:48:37] Trustee Patrick: bullets we just talked so

[0:48:40] Voice 10: mr chair i know that we we have to open the meeting i think our official

[0:48:44] Voice 10: minute papers notes um butter bucket also took extensive notes and um more in a workshop capacity

[0:48:51] Voice 10: we did kind of close that meeting pretty quickly we kind of got down to a very timeline i think so

[0:48:56] Voice 10: Yeah, I think one person may be having a bit of a resolution to come back with just a summary of what we heard to reconvey that to you and see if there is anything.

[0:49:10] Voice 10: Again, this is sort of bundling into what we're anticipating in the fall, what is the business of LPC in terms of projects.

[0:49:20] Voice 10: projects uh there are other things coming down the pipe but um that wider conversation about

[0:49:25] Voice 10: attention with values is probably something to come back to to help us as we uh as we move

[0:49:31] Voice 10: forward and it's also just counseling we see the organization changing plans to come up with some

[0:49:36] Voice 10: a resolution just asking us to come back with um some summary uh for april 28th

[0:49:46] Voice 10: um okay

[0:49:46] Voice 11: well thank you for that i that doesn't

[0:49:49] Voice 11: address my i thought we sort of had just

[0:49:52] Voice 11: at that meeting i thought we just had agreed that that was going to happen as a matter of course but

[0:49:57] Voice 11: if you need resolution that's fine mr pingel in

[0:50:03] Voice 8: regards to the minutes

[0:50:04] Voice 7: with no resolution

[0:50:05] Voice 7: it is all discussion there's always a challenge to represent that last night

[0:50:12] Voice 7: how I chose to do it this was a different recorder but as we were in discussion the whole time

[0:50:19] Voice 7: the language I used was removed sort of that even though it was when I was I know that the

[0:50:28] Voice 7: meetings were different but I would say a member of the public asked and then instead of saying

[0:50:33] Voice 7: anything about who was saying it but just there was discussion regarding and then those points

[0:50:41] Voice 7: could be there so is that there was discussion regarding is that language that would be yeah

[0:50:47] Trustee Patrick: i i just i was just trying to think of this minutes being picked up by somebody from outside

[0:50:51] Trustee Patrick: thinking that you know this was a an agreed set of bullets it was a conversation that was recorded

[0:50:58] Trustee Patrick: that's all i'm that's all i'm saying and i just want to make sure the minutes are clear that's

[0:51:02] Trustee Patrick: how that you received um that's all i was raising for those sets of bullets because um

[0:51:08] Voice 6: can i just

[0:51:10] Voice 6: see when when i capture discussion like this i would usually say um in discussion the following

[0:51:16] Voice 6: items were noted and then for each bullet i would say a trustee noted uh

[0:51:22] Voice 6: current housing outcomes

[0:51:23] Voice 6: like to be specific that it was a trustee who was uh saying that it wasn't like we

[0:51:29] Voice 7: got an update

[0:51:30] Voice 7: like we can take your advice and make those updates and you can still like adopt the minutes

[0:51:35] Voice 7: as amended if it just we didn't want the clarity that we would like language changed in the minutes

[0:51:42] or that it's clear you know that without a resolution if

[0:51:46] Voice 7: they were just items hard to

[0:51:49] Voice 7: really address people's perception no

[0:51:51] Trustee Patrick: that's why i was just like wanted it to be clear that that's

[0:51:54] Trustee Patrick: all that they were just discussion items that that was all i was trying to get up because it

[0:52:00] Trustee Patrick: it just i think it's it's there but it's not you know i'm

[0:52:05] Trustee Patrick: just trying to think of someone

[0:52:06] Trustee Patrick: who wasn't at the meeting could could misunderstand that so if there's sections

[0:52:11] Trustee Patrick: just add that you know refer to individual trustees or discussion items i just clarify

[0:52:19] Trustee Patrick: that a bit more and

[0:52:20] Voice 11: then and it's as as pointed out it's slightly different style from a different

[0:52:25] Voice 11: a minute taker than we usually have so yeah but

[0:52:29] Trustee Patrick: there is a correction that's needed on page 20.

[0:52:32] Trustee Patrick: um says that uh talked about coordination between the ltc and the cowichan valley regional district

[0:52:39] Trustee Patrick: so somebody was uh thinking that

[0:52:41] Trustee Patrick: maybe we need a different regional district that's a good

[0:52:44] Voice 11: conversation

[0:52:45] Trustee Patrick: but i don't think we talked about that that day okay so those references should

[0:52:50] Voice 10: definitely first

[0:52:51] Trustee Patrick: bullet on the top yeah yeah i see that

[0:52:53] Voice 10: unfortunate but we're very grateful for

[0:52:56] Voice 10: my father's lending us a minute taker but yeah that's

[0:52:59] Trustee Patrick: right yeah i i i found it entertaining

[0:53:02] Trustee Patrick: and i was glad to see it there but i thought we checked and

[0:53:05] Voice 9: i wish this type of scrutiny

[0:53:06] Voice 9: could be done with the uh trust website um

[0:53:10] Voice 11: yeah and actually considering where every where the

[0:53:14] Voice 11: minutes with that minute takers from almost surprised it wasn't the komox valley uh there

[0:53:21] Trustee Patrick: was one other correction sorry um the on page 22 the bullet that starts with donut economics

[0:53:31] Trustee Patrick: i wasn't recommending that we engraved the so the first sentence is fine i think you could just

[0:53:36] Trustee Patrick: remove the second sentence that says the concept can be applied to innovative operational improvements

[0:53:40] Trustee Patrick: The concept that I was wanting applied was that when you have constraints, it requires you to be more innovative and creative.

[0:53:50] Trustee Patrick: So I wasn't saying put donut economics in place at the island.

[0:53:54] Trustee Patrick: It was more the concept from Kate Raworth is when you live within constraints, you have to be more creative and innovative in those environments.

[0:54:05] Trustee Patrick: So that's what I was talking about.

[0:54:07] Voice 6: So would you like the line deleted, this concept at the end?

[0:54:10] Voice 6: I think

[0:54:11] Voice 8: so. I think because that's I was not recommending doughnut economics. I like doughnut economics, but I was not recommending it.

[0:54:22] Voice 11: All right. So is that that's that

[0:54:25] Trustee Patrick: was playing. That's it.

[0:54:26] Voice 11: So then can I take it by general consent that the minutes of April 28th, 2023 special

[0:54:36] Voice 8: meeting be adopted as amended?

[0:54:39] Voice 8: it okay and we have no resolutions without a meeting

[0:54:50] Voice 11: report um i'm wondering i definitely uh

[0:54:58] Voice 11: take i take i've

[0:54:59] Voice 8: taken note of um hunter hutton's uh comments

[0:55:04] Voice 11: um

[0:55:08] Voice 11: maybe that's

[0:55:08] Voice 11: yeah i'm gonna just put a section in business arising for minutes uh about the

[0:55:13] Voice 11: uh resolution requested for one of what we heard to report from staff on that

[0:55:19] Voice 8: that's uh acceptable

[0:55:21] Voice 8: sure so we'll make that whatever it is 10.6 10.6

[0:55:33] Voice 6: um it's

[0:55:36] Voice 11: in response to the the april 20th uh

[0:55:40] Voice 11: special meeting um i'm going to put together a resolution asking staffer what we heard report

[0:55:48] okay

[0:55:50] Voice 11: so with that we're on to uh section nine correspondence and we'll just go through these

[0:55:58] Voice 11: items uh one at a time most of them are here to be received for information there is one for

[0:56:04] Voice 11: consideration and as we go through trustees if you want to um make any comments or suggestions

[0:56:12] Voice 11: questions about any of them just please let me know so 9.1 we've got the uh LTC chair Peterson

[0:56:21] Voice 11: uh letter to BC Ferries commissioner dated March 14th uh concerning performance term six

[0:56:30] Voice 11: and the next is from Courtney to the local trust committee concerning performance term six uh we

[0:56:41] Voice 11: we have 9.3 and 9.4 are both uh from rest all the way to 9.10 yes in fact everything from 9.3 to 9.9

[0:56:57] Voice 11: are either from Julian Clark or but for um concerning Channel Ridge 9.10 it is

[0:57:07] Voice 11: from uh

[0:57:08] Voice 11: Ken Baggetti at ITC, 9.11 is France Apthorpe to the LTC

[0:57:17] Voice 11: concerning the OCP review, 9.12 is from Pete Colby

[0:57:24] Voice 11: concerning trailer perks, and that brings us to 9.13

[0:57:34] Voice 11: from M. Wellman concerning Salt Spring Solutions,

[0:57:38] Voice 11: a home for Islanders, report for consideration.

[0:57:41] Voice 11: Sure.

[0:57:42] Voice 11: Yes,

[0:57:42] Voice 10: sir. The reason we put this as for consideration is not directly concerning the study itself.

[0:57:49] Voice 10: We're really grateful to you for providing that.

[0:57:54] Voice 10: Following the release of this report, an invite was sent out to a wide number of elected officials, including all of the LPC as well as a number of staff.

[0:58:06] Voice 10: that. In the discussion with this group, we did discuss how it's really advisable for all of LPC

[0:58:14] Voice 10: to end a private meeting. So what I would like, I would like a request is that, that you send a

[0:58:25] Voice 10: liaison to represent the LPC for that meeting.

[0:58:34] Voice 11: okay uh thank you for that and trustees thoughts um we'll clearly um once that's going to be a

[0:58:44] Voice 11: camera

[0:58:44] Voice 9: discussion this is this

[0:58:48] Voice 8: is

[0:58:50] Voice 11: about the invitation to the um salt spring solutions

[0:58:56] Voice 11: salt spring solutions meeting

[0:58:57] Voice 11: which which all three of us were invited to

[0:59:02] Voice 11: i'm sorry and so and so staff is identifying that um it's not appropriate for a forum of the local

[0:59:09] Voice 11: trust committee to attend so their suggestion is that we um if we if we want to we can consider

[0:59:17] Voice 11: um identifying one member of the ltc to depend on behalf of the ltc that's the suggestion from staff

[0:59:24] Voice 11: Yeah, I'd

[0:59:25] Voice 18: be happy to attend.

[0:59:28] Voice 11: Yeah, fine with me.

[0:59:29] Voice 11: You're happy with that?

[0:59:30] Voice 11: So then would you like a resolution to that effect?

[0:59:35] Voice 11: Yes, please.

[0:59:35] Voice 11: Okay, so do you have anything prepared?

[0:59:38] Voice 11: I

[0:59:39] Voice 20: don't have anything prepared.

[0:59:39] Voice 20: Okay, I

[0:59:40] Voice 11: move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:59:46] Voice 11: designate Trustee Patrick to attend the Salt Spring Solutions meeting

[0:59:50] Voice 11: of the

[0:59:52] Voice 8: 23rd?

[0:59:54] Voice 8: 23rd?

[0:59:57] Voice 8: As the LTC representative.

[1:00:03] Voice 8: can we just change sure absolutely

[1:00:06] Voice 6: that the only salt spring and local trust committee appoint

[1:00:08] Voice 6: trustee patrick uh to be the identity representative and attend to attend the salt

[1:00:16] Voice 6: spring solutions meeting sounds great

[1:00:19] Voice 11: to me thank you for your always helpful um suggestions and is

[1:00:24] Voice 11: that uh does that work for you staff that's that's what we need so so moved yeah uh seconded by

[1:00:30] Voice 11: trustee patrick uh any discussion all those in favor and that carries thank you very much

[1:00:38] Voice 11: so this brings us to um section 10 the business arising for minutes we have a follow-up action

[1:00:47] Voice 11: uh report dated

[1:00:49] Voice 8: may 23rd

[1:00:53] Voice 8: to navigate to that and

[1:00:59] Voice 11: look for any questions from trustees on that yes trustee patrick

[1:01:04] Voice 11: that's

[1:01:04] Trustee Patrick: not um because it happened from august but i guess i'm going to ask again is there

[1:01:08] Trustee Patrick: when we'll see recommendations for um agreements with

[1:01:14] Voice 8: our coordinating in the ltc in this area

[1:01:22] Voice 8: what's that question oh um

[1:01:25] Trustee Patrick: and from the august last summer's august um

[1:01:31] Trustee Patrick: resolution about asking staff to look at review the protocol and agreements with security

[1:01:38] Voice 10: yeah the uh that report is on the uh oh it's on the agenda for today yeah

[1:01:45] Voice 8: yeah

[1:01:46] Voice 11: all right okay is there anything else on

[1:01:50] Voice 8: the follow-up action list okay

[1:01:53] Voice 11: then we've got um

[1:01:57] Voice 11: then at 10.2 we've got the freedom of information and protection of privacy bylaw

[1:02:04] Voice 11: for adoption and uh staff is who's gonna uh introduce us please

[1:02:10] Voice 11: the

[1:02:11] Voice 7: chair um very straightforward past the three readings at the last uh when it was presented to

[1:02:19] Voice 7: you forwarded to executive committee for approval uh and now back to us for adoption it's keeping

[1:02:28] Voice 7: us in line with with provincial rules and regulations for

[1:02:34] Voice 8: freedom of information and

[1:02:36] Voice 8: and protection of privacy happy to answer any questions okay i think any questions for uh

[1:02:43] Voice 8: for mr pingel here no

[1:02:48] Voice 11: that's all pretty straightforward does someone want to

[1:02:51] Voice 11: move the recommended motion

[1:02:53] Voice 8: on page 160. too many things going on sorry all right

[1:03:05] Trustee Patrick: um sure i'll move

[1:03:06] Trustee Patrick: at the local press committee uh it's a word missing there a dot it should be uh no

[1:03:14] Trustee Patrick: oh at

[1:03:15] Trustee Patrick: the bottom

[1:03:16] Trustee Patrick: okay i got you i see how it's been destroyed my brain wasn't focusing at the salt

[1:03:22] Trustee Patrick: spring island local trust committee bylaw number three five three five cited as salt screen island

[1:03:28] Trustee Patrick: uh local trust committee freedom of information and protection of privacy bylaw number 535 2023

[1:03:34] Trustee Patrick: 23 be adopted so

[1:03:36] Voice 11: do i have a seconder second any further discussion seeing none of all the

[1:03:43] Voice 11: questions all those in favor and that motion carries so this brings us to section 10.3

[1:03:55] Voice 11: which is in the addendum this is the salt spring island annual report section

[1:04:01] Voice 11: And is that, are you taking this one, Mr. Hutton?

[1:04:06] Voice 10: Sure.

[1:04:07] Voice 10: The annual report draft statement

[1:04:12] Voice 10: for the Salt Lake Island LNC has been put forward

[1:04:17] for your consideration.

[1:04:19] This covers the fiscal year from 2022

[1:04:23] Voice 8: to 2023,

[1:04:25] Voice 8: what was done in that year.

[1:04:30] Voice 8: All right.

[1:04:35] Voice 8: Right. And then there is a, there is a recommended motion in the addendum there, page two of the addendum.

[1:04:48] Voice 8: And would the person want to make that motion?

[1:04:54] Voice 8: Well, I

[1:04:54] Trustee Patrick: asked a question first.

[1:04:56] Voice 8: go ahead um

[1:04:57] Trustee Patrick: on the south spring watershed alliance just says we had a bunch of meetings but last um

[1:05:05] Trustee Patrick: last year was all about getting the uh watershed security plan um going i

[1:05:14] Voice 8: know it didn't still

[1:05:14] Voice 8: haven't seen it um but uh i think that should be referenced well you know because that was the

[1:05:24] Voice 8: focus of work that just it just seems that all we just said is a meetings um and the note that

[1:05:40] Voice 8: this is going off to the trust

[1:05:43] Voice 11: council and municipal affairs well

[1:05:46] Trustee Patrick: exactly but i mean last

[1:05:47] Trustee Patrick: the ministry's you know strategic watershed initiatives and other things are key and the

[1:05:55] Trustee Patrick: province did participate in the planning of our strategic plan so i think they should

[1:06:01] Trustee Patrick: okay

[1:06:03] Voice 11: do you want to um so

[1:06:04] Trustee Patrick: i don't do

[1:06:05] Voice 11: you want to request staff come up with some language or do you

[1:06:08] Voice 11: have a i

[1:06:08] Trustee Patrick: don't have any language

[1:06:09] Trustee Patrick: uh top of my head

[1:06:12] Voice 8: but i think

[1:06:12] Voice 11: mr pingel just

[1:06:13] Voice 7: curious whether

[1:06:16] pulling things together from the report was

[1:06:19] Voice 7: written paragraph uh three leading phase one

[1:06:23] Voice 7: of this water 52 plan situational analysis and funding a western lake water availability study

[1:06:29] Voice 7: is that the one that you're referring to we just did not place it under the section where we

[1:06:34] Voice 7: discussed meetings well i

[1:06:36] Trustee Patrick: i i either you can either leave it the way you have it but the

[1:06:42] Trustee Patrick: watershed strategic plan that it should reference that you know uh it was done in cooperation with

[1:06:49] Trustee Patrick: the crd and the province because that is a cooperative plan that

[1:06:54] Trustee Patrick: they participated in

[1:06:55] Trustee Patrick: there so i would at least make sure we reference the parties that coordinated that plan it's not

[1:07:00] Trustee Patrick: just an island's trust and

[1:07:01] Voice 8: we funded

[1:07:02] Trustee Patrick: it crd actively

[1:07:05] Voice 8: participated so did the province

[1:07:08] Voice 8: and north salt spring water service water district basically we can include include that language

[1:07:20] Voice 8: yeah i think we should that is

[1:07:23] Trustee Patrick: a good thing we're working

[1:07:24] Voice 8: in cooperation with it's our mandate

[1:07:26] Voice 8: date okay

[1:07:29] Voice 11: so is that sufficient um direction staff and

[1:07:34] Trustee Patrick: the western lake water availability

[1:07:36] Trustee Patrick: study was done in cooperation with crd and full close full word i guess just say yeah

[1:07:43] Voice 10: just trying to suggest that we'll just um we can take that that we those work was completed um

[1:07:49] Voice 10: in cooperation with a partner from the list help for the partner specifically

[1:07:53] Voice 10: before forwarding this back to our communications department okay

[1:07:57] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:07:58] Voice 11: Is that, are you satisfied with that, Judy?

[1:08:02] Voice 8: Yep.

[1:08:04] Voice 11: Okay. So there is a recommended motion there, which we would say as amended at

[1:08:13] Voice 8: the end of, so would you like to make that?

[1:08:18] Voice 8: Go ahead.

[1:08:19] Voice 8: ahead uh

[1:08:19] Trustee Patrick: sure i'll move with the social analog but trust committee uh approves the attached text

[1:08:25] Trustee Patrick: or as amended for inclusion in the W2223 annual report for approval of the trust council

[1:08:34] Trustee Patrick: and submission to the minister of municipal affairs okay

[1:08:40] Voice 8: so moved seconded any further

[1:08:43] Voice 8: further discussion I'll call the question all those in favor and that motion carries so that

[1:08:52] Voice 8: brings us down to uh

[1:08:55] Voice 11: 12.4 the protocol with capital regional district Salt Spring Island

[1:09:00] Voice 11: local community yeah

[1:09:01] Voice 13: you just ran out of staff

[1:09:02] Voice 11: sorry okay you escaped is

[1:09:09] Voice 11: that is that I believe

[1:09:12] Voice 11: that's uh um mr

[1:09:15] Voice 10: chair at the request of ltc last august uh we were asked to bring back options for

[1:09:23] Voice 8: um scoring basically options to facilitate development

[1:09:30] Voice 10: on a new protocol agreement um

[1:09:33] Voice 10: capital regional district trust committee we currently have a protocol agreement uh

[1:09:41] Voice 10: Capital Regional District and the Islands Trust on behalf of five LPAs, which generally outlines the platform for engaging intergovernmentally.

[1:09:56] Voice 10: I think this report really summarizes that the relationship is really good, I think, at the staff level and pretty much at the leadership level as well.

[1:10:10] Voice 10: Well, however, the specifics of this protocol have not been followed in terms of regular meetings with all of the LPC and their directors.

[1:10:23] Voice 10: So there's work to be done on improving both at both of those levels in terms of having more regular and possibly transparent engagement.

[1:10:33] Voice 10: So that's kind of what the recommendations get to.

[1:10:36] Voice 10: this report also sort of summarizes what is um what is the global community commission uh

[1:10:43] Voice 10: and what this means for the islands trust uh and it focuses more at a um an operational procedural

[1:10:52] level um

[1:10:55] Voice 10: overall that is the basis for the recommendations um provided here to recommend that

[1:11:02] Voice 10: But the staff scheduled regular meetings in accordance with the bylaw with the Capital Regional District to discuss their 63,

[1:11:19] Voice 10: to discuss budget planning for both organizations and to look at the current active local projects and developments of mutual interest

[1:11:29] Voice 10: and identify our community constraints around collaboration as well even aligning um the actual

[1:11:36] Voice 10: left hand is aware of what the right hand is doing um and i think that um you know with the with the

[1:11:43] Voice 10: local community commission um that is what we sort of suggested it was really difficult for us to

[1:11:49] Voice 10: gauge what that's going to look like at this stage um so there is a bylaw in place that sort of sets

[1:11:57] sets out the rules for that group.

[1:12:01] Voice 10: And it's how the Islands Trust will intersect

[1:12:04] Voice 10: with that group and for the staff to staff level,

[1:12:07] Voice 10: it's probably not that significant,

[1:12:09] Voice 10: but so I think it's just important for us to reach out

[1:12:13] to the CRD and to the local community commission

[1:12:17] once they have their chair,

[1:12:18] I think it

[1:12:18] Voice 10: would be advisable for the chair

[1:12:20] Voice 10: to submit a letter to the chair and letting them go to him.

[1:12:24] Voice 10: So this is a discussion to add with the Capital Regional District, both the manager and Director Holman, that Director Holman sits on the LCC, but the chair is elected from that body, so it may be Director Holman, it may be someone else.

[1:12:40] Voice 10: but in those cases the updates that director holman gives us will will now be sort of director

[1:12:48] Voice 10: holman will be reporting on what's happening at the regional level where the lcc will be primarily

[1:12:53] Voice 10: focused on the local level so how that liaison works i think is going to be something that we

[1:12:58] Voice 10: be

[1:12:59] Voice 8: navigated as we go forward okay thank you any questions for sure um

[1:13:10] Trustee Patrick: generally i i like

[1:13:13] Trustee Patrick: the approach with one one possible thing and because the lcc is delegated for very specific

[1:13:23] Trustee Patrick: things that it has responsibilities for their direct direct decisions or advocacy there's

[1:13:30] Trustee Patrick: There's other CRD things that are outside DLCC's responsibilities.

[1:13:34] Trustee Patrick: So I think, you know, we'll find those things as we work together by, you know, by bumping into them.

[1:13:42] Trustee Patrick: So I was wondering if we could add like a D to your number two recommendation that when staff are meeting and talking with staff that, you know, that you would discuss, you know, any opportunities to clarify, you know, procedural or whatever word would make sense.

[1:14:01] Trustee Patrick: you know, just to make

[1:14:02] Trustee Patrick: monitor the, you know, because the LCC

[1:14:05] Trustee Patrick: is new, so we want it to be

[1:14:06] Trustee Patrick: successful, we want our relationship to be

[1:14:08] Trustee Patrick: productive, and

[1:14:10] Trustee Patrick: we should be trying to avoid, you know,

[1:14:12] Trustee Patrick: any, you know,

[1:14:15] Trustee Patrick: you know,

[1:14:16] Voice 8: work in that broad purposes. Yeah.

[1:14:18] Trustee Patrick: So I think if we could add a D, so when

[1:14:21] Trustee Patrick: staff are meeting, you know, you could

[1:14:23] Trustee Patrick: identify, you know, whether or not

[1:14:25] Trustee Patrick: there's any need for

[1:14:27] Trustee Patrick: you know, clarity to

[1:14:29] Trustee Patrick: be established on

[1:14:31] Trustee Patrick: I don't know what we say, communications and or roles and responsibilities, or I don't know what the right word would be, but just to make sure we're monitoring our relationship and anything we trip

[1:14:46] Voice 8: into by experience, because we just don't know.

[1:14:52] Trustee Patrick: Does that make sense to add like a D?

[1:14:57] Voice 10: I think the challenge is that at the staff level, we're really about just doing the work and providing advice.

[1:15:04] Voice 10: So there are challenges and, you know, if I sit down with Ms. Campbell over at CRD and we

[1:15:11] Voice 10: talk about, you know, working across purposes, the purposes that we're bringing forward are still the direction of our elected bodies, right?

[1:15:18] Voice 10: So we don't need to come back and identify those two.

[1:15:21] Voice 10: Correct.

[1:15:21] Trustee Patrick: Or we would identify them to you to raise. I mean, is that the path?

[1:15:25] Trustee Patrick: I mean, yes, we would have a good relationship with the chair, but I just think, I think staff are going to interpret things differently and see things differently and maybe could even ward off something that, you know, a trend that you're seeing is, you know, maybe the political voice didn't see that yet.

[1:15:42] Trustee Patrick: So I think there's value in making sure that, you know, that at least it's on the agenda item of staff to staff.

[1:15:50] Trustee Patrick: We

[1:15:50] Voice 10: can take that away.

[1:15:53] Voice 10: We can take that note.

[1:15:54] Voice 10: One thing I also think I forgot to mention

[1:15:56] Voice 10: is that the first recommendation is actually

[1:15:58] Voice 10: that the current

[1:15:59] Voice 10: protocol 63 actually does allow

[1:16:02] Voice 10: for the

[1:16:04] Voice 10: Islands Trust Council and the Capital

[1:16:06] Voice 10: Regional District to, there's

[1:16:09] Voice 10: a provision to actually have these meetings.

[1:16:11] Voice 10: So this is

[1:16:12] Voice 10: the original director to

[1:16:14] Voice 10: so many LTC's

[1:16:16] Voice 10: meetings that we would have

[1:16:18] Voice 10: that could be well that would be a recommendation um i think up to um trust council i'm not really

[1:16:29] Voice 10: too sure how this process is supposed to work but i think we can investigate this further

[1:16:34] Voice 10: a meeting is something that is needed yes i structure this dialogue i

[1:16:39] Trustee Patrick: took it upon myself

[1:16:40] Trustee Patrick: last week to reread every protocol agreement and every one of them lays out mandatory meetings

[1:16:48] Trustee Patrick: that we don't hold throughout the island's trust um so we've got to get active on those

[1:16:56] Voice 11: absolutely and and my uh my experience is on the ski island local trustee is that it took

[1:17:03] Voice 11: the local trust committee um to uh get staff to engage with the regional district staff

[1:17:11] Voice 11: to actually get that process going to the point where we now actually have

[1:17:16] Voice 11: a yearly protocol meeting where for a considerable time there was none um but the the action from the

[1:17:24] Voice 11: ltc is what spurred that and that's i think that's valuable uh any other questions on on this what

[1:17:35] Trustee Patrick: would it could if we add a d what wording would make would i mean i don't want to be restrictive

[1:17:41] Trustee Patrick: It's

[1:17:42] Voice 8: just more to make sure, you know, just opportunities to clarify roles and responsibilities

[1:17:49] Trustee Patrick: of the two bodies or coordinating roles.

[1:17:53] Voice 10: I suppose the way this wording was drafted, my intention was really more to say that staff

[1:18:03] Voice 10: will meet regularly and discuss the items, the bigger item, and why it's explicitly listed

[1:18:09] Voice 10: that is um protocol number 63 is that with the um with the the creation of the lcc it's probably an

[1:18:17] Voice 10: opportune time to consider whether this protocol um is still adequate or if there is a need so

[1:18:24] Voice 10: that's sort of the report back to lpc and come back we'll keep coming back to you about budget

[1:18:29] Voice 10: updates and projects but um the the bylaw 63 is going to be a beginning and end kind of process

[1:18:34] Voice 10: where we say this is, you know, you can keep using this with the other LTCs that are involved,

[1:18:40] Voice 10: but maybe there's an additional protocol where this LTC has a different setup.

[1:18:49] Trustee Patrick: Okay, but should we say that? Because if we're just going to ask Trust Council to schedule a

[1:18:54] Trustee Patrick: meeting with the Capital Regional District, should we say in consideration of this new body

[1:19:01] Trustee Patrick: on sultry be nice at the motion well i said why why are we asking them

[1:19:08] Voice 10: but

[1:19:08] Voice 11: yeah i would i would i would uh uh ask staff at that point then you know obviously if staff's

[1:19:15] Voice 11: going to be um doing the scheduling then you you you have a good handle on sort of what the what

[1:19:24] Voice 11: the report that you might send along to to request that right so or you're

[1:19:29] Voice 11: going to include that

[1:19:30] Voice 11: out though that type of information in in the request uh um to schedule the meeting right as

[1:19:37] Voice 11: far as materials that go out to elected officials on both sides i

[1:19:44] Trustee Patrick: just want to make sometimes when

[1:19:45] Trustee Patrick: it goes off to victoria it could be somebody meeting with the crd that lost the concept

[1:19:50] Trustee Patrick: what i saw spring is talking about

[1:19:52] Voice 11: that's all well that's why i just wanted to check back in

[1:19:55] Voice 11: and staff in terms of of the work that you would do in regard to recommendation one there yeah do

[1:20:01] Voice 11: some would would you that include some reporting or some background on this um from the Salt Spring

[1:20:07] Voice 11: uh perspective as as discussed

[1:20:09] Voice 10: here sure um yeah I mean I think maybe just to append um with regard

[1:20:17] Voice 10: to the substance of this report would probably be would possibly be adequate okay online sort

[1:20:23] Voice 10: of um our assessment of viola 63 uh and maybe a recipient lcc all

[1:20:29] Trustee Patrick: right what did you what's

[1:20:31] Trustee Patrick: your suggestion with

[1:20:32] Voice 10: regard to the substance

[1:20:32] Voice 8: of this report yeah of the of

[1:20:35] Voice 8: the kind of report

[1:20:46] Voice 8: gotcha may 18th okay well uh that makes me feel better okay anything

[1:20:56] Voice 11: from you on this

[1:20:57] Voice 11: no that's good okay um so we have some recommendations and and potential amendments

[1:21:05] Voice 11: for them uh any no i think

[1:21:08] Trustee Patrick: i'm prepared to move forward to the motions okay

[1:21:11] Voice 8: i

[1:21:12] Trustee Patrick: move that the

[1:21:12] Trustee Patrick: salsby island local trust committee request that staff schedule a meeting in accordance with section

[1:21:17] Trustee Patrick: 3.0.1 of the island's trust council capital regional district protocol bylaw number 631999

[1:21:25] Trustee Patrick: 9 in regard to the staff report dated may 18 2023 okay

[1:21:34] Voice 11: uh so let's just do these one at a time so

[1:21:36] Voice 11: moved and seconded any further discussion i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:21:43] Voice 11: that carries and recommendation number two you

[1:21:49] Trustee Patrick: want that one here jamie or no

[1:21:52] Trustee Patrick: all right i move that this all speak i love the trust committee request staff to schedule

[1:21:58] Trustee Patrick: quarterly staff to staff meetings with capital regional district staff to discuss matters of

[1:22:03] Trustee Patrick: importance and report back regularly on those quarterly meetings the meetings should discuss

[1:22:09] Trustee Patrick: uh budget planning updates for both governments reviewing and summarizing islands trust council

[1:22:15] Trustee Patrick: capital regional district protocol bylaw number 63 1999 to identify recommended changes and do

[1:22:20] Trustee Patrick: the agreement review of current active local projects and developments of mutual interest

[1:22:27] Trustee Patrick: and identify opportunities and constraints of collaboration so

[1:22:33] Voice 11: moved and uh trustee harris

[1:22:35] Voice 11: seconds any further discussion i'll call the question all those in favor that motion carries

[1:22:41] Voice 11: and uh the third recommendation i move

[1:22:44] Trustee Patrick: that the salt spring island local trust committee

[1:22:46] Trustee Patrick: asked the chair to send a letter to the salt spring island local community commission

[1:22:51] Trustee Patrick: congratulating them on their election and expressing interest to engage on matters

[1:22:55] Trustee Patrick: of mutual or complementary concern further that the salt spring island local trust

[1:23:03] Trustee Patrick: chairperson advised of an open invite to salt spring local community commission chair for

[1:23:09] Trustee Patrick: them to attend meetings of the salt spring island local trust committee to provide updates of the

[1:23:14] Trustee Patrick: work of the commission so

[1:23:17] Voice 8: moved and seconded by trustee harris uh whoops

[1:23:24] Trustee Patrick: um okay i was gonna say and i was gonna say and issues are opportunities of cooperation or

[1:23:30] Trustee Patrick: something um sorry i was i was thinking in there do we should we we work in cooperation with

[1:23:36] Trustee Patrick: matters

[1:23:37] Voice 11: of mutual or complementary concern or opportunities for

[1:23:43] Voice 8: cooperation sorry just realized

[1:23:50] Voice 8: those words anytime we

[1:23:52] Trustee Patrick: say we're working together cooperation is good to repeat to

[1:23:56] Voice 6: engage on matters

[1:23:57] Voice 6: of mutual or complementary concern or opportunities for cooperation great

[1:24:02] Voice 11: okay and are you still happy

[1:24:04] Voice 11: with that as a seconder all right then um if there's no further discussion i'll call the

[1:24:09] Voice 11: question all those in favor and that the

[1:24:13] Trustee Patrick: one thing on the time their first meeting is in

[1:24:16] Trustee Patrick: june something the date is set so it'd be nice if this letter will see

[1:24:20] Trustee Patrick: oh

[1:24:21] Voice 8: ready

[1:24:22] Trustee Patrick: before they got to them that was in their first agenda

[1:24:24] Voice 10: package yep okay we'll um

[1:24:26] Voice 10: we'll keep an eye out for the integration and collection of the chair

[1:24:35] Voice 10: in i

[1:24:36] Voice 11: don't know i will have

[1:24:38] Voice 11: the congratulation and then well actually in fact that makes sense

[1:24:43] Voice 8: because there

[1:24:43] Voice 11: it is there's a congratulation in a timely manner and then even though they

[1:24:48] Voice 11: haven't elected the chair yet by the assuming

[1:24:50] Voice 11: they would have the chair elected by the end

[1:24:52] Voice 11: of that and the chair knows right away they've got that invitation yeah i like that yeah there's a

[1:24:59] Voice 8: date all right then um

[1:25:05] Voice 11: so on we go to item 10.5 the housing accelerator verbal report

[1:25:11] Voice 11: and that's coming

[1:25:12] Voice 8: from planner hutton acceleration so the other acceleration fund

[1:25:33] Voice 8: it has a special opportunity across the country a four billion dollar fund um broadly it um

[1:25:43] It enables you to look at

[1:25:45] Voice 10: your previous growth rates and challenges communities to meet the

[1:25:51] Voice 10: growth rate by 10% or more to get more housing built.

[1:25:57] Voice 10: So the funding is distributed based on three separate components.

[1:26:04] Voice 10: So if you're historically building 100 units a year, you have a 10% future.

[1:26:13] Voice 10: challenge to increase that by 10% or more and getting 10 more units that that 10 units is what

[1:26:22] Voice 10: is funded in this program the three components

[1:26:27] Voice 10: that it involves are the base funding which is

[1:26:30] Voice 10: up to $20,000 the grant the guideline does actually say that the government of Canada can

[1:26:36] Voice 10: can choose to change that number if they feel necessary.

[1:26:42] Voice 10: Bonus funding amounts are provided for portable housing

[1:26:46] Voice 10: as well as for type.

[1:26:49] Voice 10: So there's a cross section of townhouse, apartment,

[1:26:52] Voice 10: different types of housing

[1:26:53] Voice 10: where they multiply that factor.

[1:26:56] Voice 10: So if 10 of those 10 units,

[1:26:58] Voice 10: if half of them are going to be apartment,

[1:26:59] Voice 10: they'll take that $20,000 and multiply it by 3%

[1:27:03] Voice 10: and up to that.

[1:27:04] Voice 10: that. So the maximum per unit funding is about $32,000 and change. So it's a significant amount

[1:27:13] Voice 10: of money. 10 times $32,000 on its own is $100,000 and then it's over four years. So that's a high

[1:27:21] Voice 10: level example. Now looking at what our growth rate is and what our need is and what our target

[1:27:30] Voice 10: might be um so i've looked at the previous census uh we're looking at about a from from 21 to 26

[1:27:38] Voice 10: again this is not growth in population this is growth in the number of dwelling units

[1:27:42] Voice 10: so uh we increased by 0.8 percent a year averaging about four percent of the census period

[1:27:48] Voice 10: 2026. according to crd statistics we added 16 units

[1:27:55] Voice 10: in what

[1:27:58] Voice 6: period uh

[1:27:59] Voice 10: in 2020

[1:28:01] Voice 8: yeah

[1:28:02] Voice 10: so our most recent growth rate is um two percent right now

[1:28:09] Voice 10: our most recent growth rate is 0.99 percent the minimum rate that we need to achieve

[1:28:16] Voice 8: is 1.1 percent so that 1.1 percent in a previous census that

[1:28:25] Voice 10: like to take that forward

[1:28:27] Voice 10: based on the previous census calculations what they did would mean going from building an average

[1:28:33] Voice 10: of 49 units a year uh which is what we're if we take the previous broker to 28 percent to get

[1:28:39] Voice 10: forward um it would be about 49 units a year um if we take that to um the 1.1 percent so

[1:28:49] Voice 10: they're getting 92 additional units over five years that would be 67 units a year

[1:28:54] Voice 10: So we went from 49 to the 67 in

[1:29:00] Voice 8: only four years,

[1:29:00] Voice 8: so the difference in the number of additional units.

[1:29:05] Voice 8: The Cowichan, or the Care,

[1:29:08] Voice 10: I've worked in a lot of regional districts

[1:29:10] Voice 10: to start with C.

[1:29:11] Voice 10: So the Capital Regional District

[1:29:14] Voice 10: has done the housing needs assessment in 2020,

[1:29:17] Voice 10: identifies a deficit of 302 units.

[1:29:21] Voice 10: So if I take that forward,

[1:29:23] Voice 10: I could just say, you know, going forward, we need 320 units plus.

[1:29:28] Voice 10: If I just double that looking forward, that's a significant increase.

[1:29:33] Voice 10: That's a 2% growth rate a year,

[1:29:36] Voice 10: 2% a year is a substantial amount of growth in a community like salt

[1:29:40] Voice 10: spray is more than doubling, but that's,

[1:29:43] that's the kind of growth rate that we

[1:29:44] Voice 10: probably need to be targeting to get

[1:29:46] Voice 10: into a situation where we're really in a good spot for,

[1:29:51] Voice 10: or just meeting some base funding for getting these points and then meeting to look at how are we building.

[1:30:00] Voice 10: that how are we diversifying the typology for that townhouse apartment use um all that stuff

[1:30:06] Voice 10: so that's that's the number though right like it's like i'm really preliminary on the numbers

[1:30:10] Voice 10: that's that's kind of the the broad shades of it but so

[1:30:15] Voice 8: those are that's just the one thing i want

[1:30:16] Voice 8: to know ahead of time um so what we have right

[1:30:21] Voice 10: now is an efficient community plan that is not

[1:30:24] Voice 10: growth focused right this is a very much a good shift in what we have in our ocp right now so

[1:30:30] Voice 10: So how we shape that up and how we proceed from here with all of the housing action program work and that's sort of the next piece here is that we need to get our policies like that work of updating our OCP and addressing infrastructure needs and all of this stuff can be, we can use this funding to do that.

[1:30:51] Voice 10: it's one option and it's probably something we need to present a valid application to say this

[1:30:57] Voice 10: is the working is the policy work aligning and bringing you know the repeat of the pipes and

[1:31:02] Voice 10: the maps together to figure out how to how to achieve that growth realistically but it is a

[1:31:09] Voice 10: significant change in our ocp right so this is something that you know in order to do this we

[1:31:14] Voice 10: would need to actually you know what i would probably suggest is to first develop a housing

[1:31:20] Voice 10: housing action plan that we're wanting to implement and then proceed with the OCP because

[1:31:25] Voice 10: we need the housing action plan to do this application to get into the program.

[1:31:33] Voice 10: What it does mean, I think, is probably this is stuff that can be attached to our work

[1:31:38] Voice 10: plan, GANGs, OCP, and bylaw 530, all of which are valid for funding under the program, but

[1:31:47] Voice 10: we can't do all of these things at the same time.

[1:31:49] Voice 10: so

[1:31:50] Voice 8: i i think that it's it

[1:31:56] Voice 10: is not an easy program for us to achieve success and i think because of

[1:32:00] Voice 10: the fact that we're competing with every other community over 10 000 in the country so salt

[1:32:04] Voice 10: spring is the only lpa that local trust area that falls into that category but that's the

[1:32:09] Voice 10: the challenge but i think it does involve a bit of sacrifice on how we advance our work plan

[1:32:15] Voice 10: because like i say we're showing staff we're maxed out with what we've got right now

[1:32:19] Voice 10: and going forward in order to do all this so currently in a way that doesn't really break our

[1:32:25] Voice 10: our pace of work is challenging so that that's really the challenge i'm going to do we can we

[1:32:33] Voice 10: need to go into this further if that's something lpc wants us to do but we do need to pause some

[1:32:38] Voice 10: other things if that's what if that's the direction we want to go i do have a wide range of

[1:32:44] Voice 10: go back and take the sort of the key thing moving i think there is community work and

[1:32:49] Voice 10: then relationship work that all of this needs to include like the housing action

[1:32:54] Voice 10: the housing accelerator fund and all of our work plan to incorporate um a lot of relationship

[1:33:00] Voice 10: building with government partners first nations all of that work needs to be ongoing but we need

[1:33:06] Voice 10: to really shift our focus to this fund that's where

[1:33:12] Voice 8: we're where

[1:33:13] Voice 10: we're at so i do have that

[1:33:15] Voice 10: kind of a high level recommendation for you if you'd like to do this here when you run

[1:33:20] Voice 10: through the recommendation sure

[1:33:23] Voice 8: um to go ahead and hear the high level recommendation

[1:33:28] Voice 11: i don't that my my i guess my main question was um i know that you didn't have time to to

[1:33:36] Voice 11: put together uh a more substantive report is

[1:33:40] Voice 10: that um in lieu of a resolution with that we

[1:33:46] Voice 10: would you bring us a written report at the next meeting as a matter of course yeah we we would

[1:33:51] Voice 10: look into um yeah creating an actual timeline and task list to carry it out okay um

[1:34:01] Voice 11: so trustees

[1:34:02] Voice 11: do you want to hear the high level next section or you have questions at this point i

[1:34:08] Voice 18: do have

[1:34:09] Voice 18: questions yeah

[1:34:10] Voice 9: well i have questions and comments but i'd love to hear happy to hear all of what

[1:34:14] Voice 9: chris has to say before okay yeah let's do that then well

[1:34:17] Voice 10: so that my recommendation here is that

[1:34:19] Voice 10: if you didn't pursue the housing action funds i would suggest that you suspend project work on

[1:34:23] Voice 10: the ocp and the gate and the ganges area plan as well as bylaw 530 until the housing accelerator

[1:34:29] Voice 10: fund proposal structure is in place um you could shift to relationship building with first nations

[1:34:37] Voice 10: on the ocp ganges and the housing accelerator fund and allow staff to continue pursuing complete

[1:34:42] Voice 10: the communities fund which is ongoing uh that timeline is pressing and it's actually really

[1:34:48] Voice 10: aligned with this sort of what what the accelerator fund would also achieve so there's

[1:34:53] Voice 10: a double approach there um so we can continue that that data gathering so what i'm sort of

[1:35:00] Voice 10: suggesting is that we start going out with the people we need to work with um start identifying

[1:35:06] Voice 10: identifying issues and gaps,

[1:35:08] Voice 10: but also not perceived with all of the project planning work

[1:35:12] Voice 10: that we've been working on in the background.

[1:35:15] Voice 10: And then, so if we can open up the work plan,

[1:35:19] Voice 10: staff would have to begin to work on a housing action plan

[1:35:22] Voice 10: to incorporate getting buy-in

[1:35:24] Voice 10: from all those service providers and governments,

[1:35:26] Voice 10: engaging with affordable housing providers

[1:35:28] Voice 10: on Salt Spring Island,

[1:35:30] Voice 10: incorporating recommendations

[1:35:31] Voice 10: of the Housing Action Program Task Force

[1:35:32] Voice 10: and incorporating workforce housing provisions.

[1:35:36] Voice 10: That would be the process of developing that action plan that we're going to use to create our growth target in order to pursue this grant.

[1:35:44] Voice 10: What

[1:35:44] Voice 9: was the last one you said on that list there?

[1:35:45] Voice 10: It would be incorporating workforce housing provisions.

[1:35:48] Voice 10: A lot of options out there for how we can do that.

[1:35:52] Voice 10: So we need to start exploring that.

[1:35:53] Voice 10: And that certainly could be one of the initiatives involved in this process.

[1:35:59] Voice 10: process. Again, this is all sort of feeding back to the notion of partnership with all

[1:36:04] Voice 10: of

[1:36:05] Voice 8: these other agencies that need to be working with us.

[1:36:10] Voice 8: Is there a stipulation in the

[1:36:12] Voice 9: Housing Accelerated Fund deal where you need so many projects

[1:36:18] Voice 9: ongoing or ready to go to get the

[1:36:22] Voice 10: ongoing projects that qualify are those that were

[1:36:28] Voice 10: started after the budget announcement so on april 7 2022 so anything we're doing before that is not

[1:36:34] Voice 10: in uh not eligible for funding um the um there's no limit on the number of projects there there's

[1:36:42] Voice 10: a minimum we need to have which is

[1:36:43] Voice 10: seven okay so that's what our housing action plan um and uh

[1:36:47] Voice 10: planet garbo was pointing out to me the other day they actually encourage you to go to overshoot

[1:36:51] Voice 10: that um and then they they sort of pick the ones that they think are these the ones that we want

[1:36:56] Voice 10: to fund so suggest nine give you seven to they fund seven so um and it sort of gives them more

[1:37:03] Voice 10: choice to

[1:37:03] Voice 8: better assess your your application question well um i don't know it's uh i'm having

[1:37:14] Voice 9: difficulty with the thought of postponing uh 5 30 clearly that's

[1:37:19] Trustee Patrick: not by 5 30. so the ocp project

[1:37:22] Voice 10: i thought you

[1:37:23] Voice 10: mentioned by the file about 30 is a is something that takes up a lot of time

[1:37:26] Voice 10: it's in our in our work plan that um we should be we should probably be pausing on um so

[1:37:32] Voice 9: that

[1:37:33] Voice 9: that one i have difficulty with um the others some closers for conversation but i hope

[1:37:38] Voice 8: that

[1:37:39] Voice 8: we could somehow make it happen although postponing 5 30. um mr patrick the essence of this is

[1:37:50] Trustee Patrick: critically important and i see as absolutely parallel or should be part of the ocp breaker

[1:37:57] Trustee Patrick: Yes, we've had extreme growth. I didn't. According to the online statistics that are available to the public for this charity, they only showed 69 houses being built in 2022. So clearly, there's more being built than what I'm able to get access to.

[1:38:19] Trustee Patrick: So we have growth, extreme growth, but it's for new wealthy people moving on to the island at the expense of young people.

[1:38:33] Trustee Patrick: Just last night, we heard young people saying our friends are leaving. We're about to too.

[1:38:39] Trustee Patrick: Those are our workers and they're leaving in droves.

[1:38:43] Trustee Patrick: When we started this housing action program, we asked for a housing action plan.

[1:38:48] Trustee Patrick: We still don't have a housing action plan.

[1:38:50] Trustee Patrick: But the essence of this is we have, like I said, we have growth happening.

[1:38:56] Trustee Patrick: It's just for the wrong people.

[1:38:58] Trustee Patrick: So if this program doesn't fit that, where we can help,

[1:39:02] Trustee Patrick: I'm sure we're not the only community that is having that problem

[1:39:05] Trustee Patrick: where we're being displaced.

[1:39:07] Trustee Patrick: How do we stop that?

[1:39:09] Trustee Patrick: How do we do good?

[1:39:10] Trustee Patrick: To me, that's the whole essence of the OCP project is to make that correction.

[1:39:16] Trustee Patrick: Make sure the housing that is being built is being built for the people

[1:39:20] Trustee Patrick: important this

[1:39:22] Voice 8: community needs not that we need wealthy people but I think we got enough

[1:39:33] Trustee Patrick: so I like so I see I see there's there is parallels and I hope that's what you know

[1:39:42] Trustee Patrick: when we talked about the OCP project that that that parallel is is to me absolutely critical

[1:39:48] Trustee Patrick: if but if this is if this is such a wild fit that we're not going to you know that are we're such a

[1:39:54] Trustee Patrick: long shot um and then we're going to waste our time um then absolutely no i don't want to see

[1:40:01] Trustee Patrick: wasting our time but if we could if we could make this application and the ocp project

[1:40:09] Trustee Patrick: project more in line so that we're proceeding on the materials that we need anyway. If we can meet

[1:40:19] Trustee Patrick: the deadline, we meet the deadline. If we can't meet the deadline, we can't meet the deadline,

[1:40:22] Trustee Patrick: but we're still doing good work. So that would be my challenge to you is I'm not trying to add

[1:40:32] Trustee Patrick: on to work i see this as exactly what we need to do anyway

[1:40:36] Voice 8: um so uh just to

[1:40:44] Voice 11: see if i heard uh

[1:40:47] Voice 11: heard you correctly um what i think i heard you say is that is that not that these other projects

[1:40:55] Voice 11: would be stopped um but that the planning portion of them were that planning portion work on them

[1:41:03] Voice 11: would be paused but the uh the working with others and the consultation pieces on all of those

[1:41:12] Voice 11: um would be ongoing like would continue and that that would help with the the action plan

[1:41:22] Voice 11: reporting that's required for the accelerated did i catch that more or less correctly there's a i

[1:41:28] Voice 10: I think there's a need to, I think you've heard it from the CRD and I think you guys have heard it from First Nations, there's a desire to collaborate more.

[1:41:39] Voice 10: And I'm sure you said there's a need to coordinate all of our separate functions into what it means to, you know, helping in the right place, the right scale, being built.

[1:41:53] Voice 10: So that's, that's all supportable but there's a need, I think there's a lot of social capital in terms of political capital that we need to build on. And that's probably where I see the gap the most is, what is the level of connectivity between the CRD

[1:42:10] Voice 10: yeah stressed with a little company partnership with nations and service providers and there's

[1:42:16] Voice 10: work going on in all the places director holland talked today about the modeling work going on

[1:42:22] Voice 10: the wastewater system in kanji's um that's all spring waterworks district because also

[1:42:26] Voice 10: has a as an upcoming water modeling update so these are the things that can perform

[1:42:32] Voice 10: better planning and that can help us identify opportunities for growth

[1:42:35] Voice 10: that we're going to facilitate.

[1:42:37] Voice 10: So that's a big initiative, like the OCP itself.

[1:42:40] Voice 10: But those actions and funding those actions

[1:42:43] Voice 10: are something that the Housing Accelerator Fund

[1:42:45] Voice 10: could actually afford to pay for

[1:42:46] Voice 10: that I don't think our OCP budget can afford to pay for.

[1:42:49] Voice 10: So those are the challenges that we're having

[1:42:51] Voice 10: with coming up with a reasonable project plan for you.

[1:42:55] Voice 10: So it kind of determines your scope.

[1:42:58] Voice 10: And so there's that.

[1:42:59] Voice 10: But this is a significant choice to say

[1:43:05] Voice 10: say that we're going to do a housing action plan that's actually going to work to define our

[1:43:12] Voice 10: targeted growth rate rather than responding to the growth happening we're going to start

[1:43:16] Voice 10: managing the growth that's happening in this community in a way that meets the exact

[1:43:21] Voice 10: wouldn't

[1:43:22] Trustee Patrick: that be surprising managing growth we're getting growth and we're not managing

[1:43:27] Trustee Patrick: we're reacting to it that is exactly the crux of the problem reacting is too late

[1:43:33] Trustee Patrick: we need to move the proactive so i would what i would suggest is that we hold this thought and

[1:43:40] Trustee Patrick: then um and then bring this back into our ocp conversation to see if we can thread the needle

[1:43:45] Trustee Patrick: or not

[1:43:46] Voice 8: okay is that there you go to the

[1:43:49] Trustee Patrick: table but that is

[1:43:50] Voice 11: exactly bringing this back because

[1:43:53] Voice 11: we've got that we've got the ocp um we'll

[1:43:57] Voice 8: talk about it we'll continue talking

[1:43:58] Voice 11: about it is the

[1:43:59] Voice 11: the idea okay i think

[1:44:01] Voice 11: that's i think that's reasonable and um and uh so with that let's

[1:44:09] Voice 11: move on to um 10.6 and so uh based on um what we heard from uh platter hutton there i've got a

[1:44:22] Voice 11: prepared a resolution for us to consider and i'll just go ahead and make the motion and and uh so

[1:44:28] Voice 11: So the motion is that the local trust committee

[1:44:31] Voice 11: request staff to prepare a what we heard report

[1:44:33] Voice 11: from the April 28th, 2023

[1:44:35] Voice 8: LTC special meeting.

[1:44:42] Voice 8: I'll second that.

[1:44:43] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:44:46] Voice 11: Any discussion on that?

[1:44:49] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:44:50] Voice 11: So in case I'll go ahead and call the question,

[1:44:53] Voice 11: all those in favor?

[1:44:54] Voice 11: And the motion carries.

[1:44:59] Voice 11: So, that brings us to where our break is scheduled.

[1:45:07] Voice 8: And, yes,

[1:45:10] Voice 11: I'm seeing thumbs up.

[1:45:13] Voice 11: So, let's go ahead and take our scheduled break.

[1:45:15] Voice 11: It says in our agenda package we'll break until noon.

[1:45:19] Voice 11: So, let's make that so.

[1:45:21] Voice 11: So, we will recess until noon.

[1:45:25] Voice 11: and then we'll come back and

[1:45:26] Voice 8: get on to section 11.

[2:19:59] Voice 8: mute you forward

[2:20:03] Voice 12: we

[2:20:19] Voice 8: are recording live streaming i'm here excellent so i'll call the meeting back

[2:22:25] Voice 11: to order and uh we are at section 11 applications and referrals and 11.1 we have a staff report here

[2:22:41] Voice 11: on the recommendation for development permit ssdvp 2023.1 114 ontario place i

[2:22:54] Voice 8: believe planner

[2:22:55] Voice 8: bucking will be joining us remotely here to walk

[2:22:59] Voice 11: us through this hello

[2:23:01] Voice 1: uh so first up we have an

[2:23:04] Voice 1: application to vary section 4.3.1 of the salt spring island land use bylaw number 355 for a

[2:23:11] Voice 1: a reduced front yard setback from eight meters to 1.81 meters for a property located at 114

[2:23:17] Voice 1: Ontario Place. This variance is requested to enable the construction of a breezeway and

[2:23:21] Voice 1: storage room addition to an existing attached garage, and this would increase the overall

[2:23:26] Voice 1: on-site coverage storage capacity. Because the proposal is also located within 4.5 meters of

[2:23:32] Voice 1: a Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure controlled road, a separate permit was also

[2:23:37] Voice 1: required through this agency. The applicant already received approval through the ministry

[2:23:42] Voice 1: prior to this variance application. So staff recommend approval of this variance request

[2:23:46] Voice 1: for the following reasons. First, there's no anticipated negative impacts to the surrounding

[2:23:52] Voice 1: neighborhood resulting from the construction of the proposed addition, as it's visually

[2:23:57] Voice 1: screened by natural topography and vegetation. Second, the nearest impact neighbor adjacent to

[2:24:03] Voice 1: the front property line is the mystery of transportation and infrastructure as they've

[2:24:08] Voice 1: already issued the necessary approvals no concern has been expressed regarding impacts to local

[2:24:12] Voice 1: infrastructure and finally to date there have been no concerns expressed by the community

[2:24:17] Voice 1: okay

[2:24:22] Voice 8: thank you for that um trustees any

[2:24:26] Voice 11: questions um

[2:24:28] Trustee Patrick: i don't have any i want to thank thank thank

[2:24:30] Trustee Patrick: you for the report i thought you did a good job and i don't have any questions thank you

[2:24:38] Voice 11: Okay, so we do have a recommendation in front of us.

[2:24:43] Voice 11: Someone ready to make the motion?

[2:24:46] Voice 9: Sure, I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of development permit SSDVP 2023.1, 114 Ontario Place.

[2:24:58] Voice 11: So moved and seconded. Any further discussion?

[2:25:02] Voice 11: I'll call the question then. All those in favour?

[2:25:09] Voice 11: I

[2:25:09] Trustee Patrick: can speak

[2:25:15] Voice 1: to that a bit. They're on vacation right now. They have a Zoom invite, but it

[2:25:20] Voice 1: doesn't look like they were able to make it on electronically. So they're in transit,

[2:25:23] Voice 1: I'm assuming.

[2:25:24] Trustee Patrick: Good. Well, there are people in the room. I just didn't know if either one of you were

[2:25:27] Trustee Patrick: the applicant.

[2:25:28] Trustee Patrick: so and

[2:25:28] Voice 11: uh you're right uh trustee patrick and thank you for for reminding me of that um

[2:25:36] Voice 11: so that brings us to 11

[2:25:41] Voice 8: .2 just going to navigate down there page number in front of them by chance

[2:25:52] Voice 8: Okay, it's page 180, and

[2:26:02] Voice 11: this is also from Planner Bupkin, another development permit.

[2:26:10] Voice 1: Yes, I can take it away.

[2:26:13] Voice 1: Next up, we have this application to vary section 3.8.1 of the Salt Spring Island Land Use Bylaw number 355 for an increase in the maximum allowable building height.

[2:26:22] Voice 1: This is for an existing single-family dwelling located at 175 Donar Road.

[2:26:28] Voice 1: This variance is requested to permit an existing storage room addition and this was likely

[2:26:32] Voice 1: constructed prior to 1991 so it's a bit dated and this construction in turn added an additional

[2:26:39] Voice 1: third story to existing two-story dwelling. It's worth noting that the previous addition was fully

[2:26:45] Voice 1: constructed within the previous building envelope and did not result in an actual increase in the

[2:26:49] Voice 1: overall building height. Moving to staff recommendation, we recommend approval of

[2:26:54] Voice 1: this variance request for the following reasons. Number one, the subject storage room has no

[2:26:58] Voice 1: records of community complaints since construction around 30 years ago. Number two, although the

[2:27:04] Voice 1: height regulation has been exceeded in regards to the maximum allowable building stories from two

[2:27:08] Voice 1: to three, the overall building footprint was not altered with this addition and the original

[2:27:13] Voice 1: building height has been maintained. And number three, due to the significant decline from donor

[2:27:17] Voice 1: road and because of the dense surrounding forest vegetation, the addition is visually screened from

[2:27:23] Voice 1: the adjacent properties view hey

[2:27:26] Voice 8: thank you any questions for the planner and

[2:27:30] Voice 11: it's the applicant

[2:27:32] Voice 11: here did you did you want to uh say anything i

[2:27:36] Trustee Patrick: think chris summarized it pretty easily okay

[2:27:40] Voice 11: yeah

[2:27:41] Trustee Patrick: i just wanted i just sorry i'm just trying to understand so you're adding a new storage room no

[2:27:45] Trustee Patrick: this is just so

[2:27:47] Voice 8: this is all done before we got there it was all done prior to 1991.

[2:27:50] Voice 8: one this the original building had two stories which was just one bedroom of another and because

[2:28:00] Voice 8: of the slope of the property they just closed in the bottom underneath that and so it didn't

[2:28:07] Voice 8: add any height it just added a story thank you gotcha thank you any any questions at

[2:28:15] Voice 11: all no thank

[2:28:16] Voice 11: you all right well we have a recommendation in front of us someone care to make the motion

[2:28:23] Trustee Patrick: not major i'll make uh although the salt spring island local trust committee approved

[2:28:27] Trustee Patrick: issuance of development uh permit ssdbp 2023

[2:28:30] Voice 11: .2 uh

[2:28:34] Voice 8: moved and seconded any further discussion

[2:28:37] Voice 8: not seeing any i'll call the collection all those in favor and that carries well thank you for coming

[2:28:45] Voice 8: in so that was a process that moves us on to staff report at 11.3 and i'm scrolling down there

[2:29:17] Voice 8: that's staff report on page 199

[2:29:22] Voice 11: and this is coming from uh planner bob has he joined us online here i

[2:29:30] Voice 2: have yeah i'm

[2:29:31] Voice 2: I don't know if you can hear me, but I am here on the Zoom.

[2:29:34] Voice 2: Yes, we can hear you.

[2:29:36] Voice 2: Great.

[2:29:38] Voice 2: Yeah, I can go ahead and introduce the report if you'd like.

[2:29:43] Voice 2: Please do.

[2:29:44] Voice 2: So this is a development variance permit application to remove a number of subdivision requirements

[2:29:50] Voice 2: for a boundary adjustment subdivision.

[2:29:54] Voice 2: And the boundary adjustment subdivision is proposed in order to align the

[2:29:59] Voice 2: that.

[2:30:00] Voice 2: property lines with the actual use of the land currently there's some grave sites that are

[2:30:05] Voice 2: encroaching on a neighboring property and on an adjacent lot and portions of Baker Road and

[2:30:12] Voice 2: Lower Ganges Road are also located on this cemetery lot and so the boundary adjustment

[2:30:18] Voice 2: will align the property lines of two lots with the actual use of the land. There were and I wasn't

[2:30:25] Voice 2: here at the town hall but there were some letters received and then some correspondence from the

[2:30:30] Voice 2: public in regards to this application that raised concerns about an existing bike pathway that

[2:30:37] Voice 2: impedes sight lines for vehicles turning on lower ganges road from baker road and so although the

[2:30:43] Voice 2: subdivision doesn't directly remedy this issue it will result in road dedications along both

[2:30:49] Voice 2: baker road and lower ganges road finally the the lot line adjustment will result in split zoned

[2:30:55] Voice 2: lots and so a covenant is being proposed to ensure that no additional development potential

[2:31:01] Voice 2: would result

[2:31:01] Voice 4: from this lot line adjustment okay

[2:31:06] Voice 8: thank you for that any uh questions to the planner

[2:31:11] Trustee Patrick: well uh i'm sorry to raise the question of the of both maxine and the speaker this morning in

[2:31:19] Trustee Patrick: the town hall had raised concerns with the roadside visual uh restrictions of that's from

[2:31:29] Trustee Patrick: a path that was built out which i would assume is a road

[2:31:32] Voice 8: alignment analysis where the path is

[2:31:35] Voice 8: um better answer that question right there sorry

[2:31:44] Voice 10: mr paul is the

[2:31:45] Voice 10: the pathway located in the road allowance

[2:31:49] Voice 10: for the corporate,

[2:31:51] Voice 8: is it Ganges?

[2:31:54] Voice 8: Just a path.

[2:31:54] Voice 8: Lower Ganges.

[2:31:57] Voice 2: My understanding is that the pathway

[2:32:00] Voice 2: along the lower Ganges is currently,

[2:32:04] Voice 2: it may at least encroach partially onto that cemetery lot,

[2:32:08] Voice 2: but the road dedication is being made

[2:32:10] Voice 2: that to kind of the maximum extent possible without to it.

[2:32:15] Voice 2: so that that will now be on in the ministry of transportation road right-of-way but the applicant

[2:32:22] Voice 2: may yeah they may um

[2:32:23] Voice 4: be able to to correct me if i'm wrong there okay

[2:32:30] Voice 8: would you sure

[2:32:33] Voice 8: so this

[2:32:34] Voice 7: issue came to light um actually three years ago when we were surveying a right-of-way

[2:32:39] Voice 7: important pathway in the first place so both cemetery lots on the north and south side of

[2:32:44] Voice 7: Baker Road are really old parcels by description they're basically just kind of stuck up in the

[2:32:50] Voice 7: corner of section lines uh Baker Road and Ganges don't exactly follow section lines but roughly

[2:32:58] Voice 7: you know the property ownership extends well into the public road on both sides so in order to

[2:33:05] facilitate the

[2:33:06] Voice 7: construction on the pathway and legalize it we surveyed the right-of-way

[2:33:10] Voice 7: over both cemetery lots during the boundary reconstruction for that project when we realized

[2:33:18] Voice 7: that there's a handful of these brain sites that aren't contained within the cemetery

[2:33:25] Voice 7: so what we're proposing to do here is to simply realign the property lines so that

[2:33:33] Voice 7: private landowners don't have grave sites on their lot um as part of that the anglican diocese is

[2:33:42] Voice 7: willing to dedicate road on both baker and laura ganges so that the public right away extends

[2:33:49] as far up to the cemetery as possible without

[2:33:52] Voice 8: putting grave sites to the public road okay um

[2:33:58] Voice 8: Oh, thank you anymore. Well, I would just assume, you know, that CRD there, there,

[2:34:09] Trustee Patrick: there are issues with Modi on this, not, you know, and we're all we're doing is the subdivision still belongs to Modi.

[2:34:17] Trustee Patrick: So we're not all we're doing is removing these requirements from the subdivision process.

[2:34:22] Trustee Patrick: I don't see what our action today as helping or

[2:34:28] Voice 8: hurting the questions from the residents on on that road.

[2:34:38] Voice 8: I didn't hear the question. I can appreciate the concerns of visibility.

[2:34:43] Voice 8: um but that's my opinion kind of a different issue if you were to deny this variance nothing would

[2:34:52] Voice 8: change the visibility issues would remain the same if you approve the variance physically

[2:34:57] Voice 8: nothing's going to change the only thing that would change is the extent of two property lines

[2:35:03] Voice 8: and the location with respect to those property lines at the free sites yeah jesse hearst we'll

[2:35:13] Voice 8: he kind of answered the question that i was wondering well what's obstructing the view now

[2:35:22] Voice 8: i think off the top of my head i mean probably roadside vegetation uh and

[2:35:28] Voice 7: or just the geography

[2:35:30] Voice 7: of the the land with hills on organs and so

[2:35:34] Voice 9: it's i'm sorry to interrupt so it's not going to be

[2:35:37] Voice 9: further impeded if this variance is granted

[2:35:41] Voice 10: yeah i think it could have banged up a bit

[2:35:46] Voice 10: at the cemetery there.

[2:35:47] Voice 10: So, and vegetation would obstruct it.

[2:35:50] Voice 10: So, proving this variance

[2:35:51] Voice 10: and this subdivision completing

[2:35:53] Voice 10: would actually put that road dedication,

[2:35:55] Voice 10: like to improve the intersection.

[2:35:56] Voice 10: Right now, I mean, if you were to go to MLTI,

[2:35:59] Voice 10: they'd say, well, this is a road

[2:36:01] Voice 10: running over private property.

[2:36:02] Voice 10: It's challenging for us to even consider it as a priority.

[2:36:05] Voice 10: The challenge of turning left to go northbound from Baker

[2:36:09] Voice 10: is simply that there's a downhill on an arterial road.

[2:36:13] Voice 10: and uh you know if you're trying to it's a pretty common occurrence in british columbia

[2:36:18] Voice 10: you've got a downhill line lane basin right in front of you um you have people that'll

[2:36:24] Voice 10: probably possibly exceeding the speed limit does make it harder to turn left especially

[2:36:28] Voice 10: coming the other way you have people coming out of the corner visibility is not ideal

[2:36:33] Voice 10: and what you got to make was to consider intersection upgrades like this this road

[2:36:37] Voice 10: dedication would actually improve mlk's ability to to

[2:36:41] Voice 10: receive this intersection upgrade if that

[2:36:43] Voice 10: required okay

[2:36:43] Voice 11: so there would be a net benefit or potential benefit in terms of moti's ability to

[2:36:50] Voice 11: widen the road there or

[2:36:54] Voice 9: improve their their options improve

[2:36:57] Voice 8: their options yeah so this

[2:36:59] Voice 9: is where i have trouble understanding because i'm seeing the recommendation is that we do not

[2:37:05] Voice 8: issue the permit

[2:37:07] Voice 14: uh

[2:37:09] Voice 4: through the chair i can speak to that yeah i see

[2:37:14] Voice 8: uh yeah good enough i'm sorry i've read it wrong okay anything further well

[2:37:25] Voice 8: do we need to ask for the covenant consistent with the draft cover or do we not just pass it

[2:37:37] Voice 9: was unencumbered and let mlt does

[2:37:41] Voice 10: relate to uh matters that potential further development that

[2:37:46] Voice 10: would um would concern the island's trust not mlti and it's it is simply acknowledging that

[2:37:53] Voice 10: it's simply a boundary adjustment it's not further development so we ensure that covenant is registered

[2:38:00] Voice 10: is that we wait until the the office he gets approval um but the acquisition and registration

[2:38:06] you

[2:38:06] Voice 10: know dating that is not until the finalization

[2:38:15] Voice 8: one last thing on

[2:38:17] Voice 7: that certainly the solicitor for the penguin diocese has provided an undertaking

[2:38:21] Voice 7: to register a covenant as

[2:38:24] Voice 8: outlined in the sap report as part of the final subdivision application

[2:38:29] Voice 8: i have two questions thanks okay uh i i see members of the public um

[2:38:37] Voice 11: typically we would

[2:38:39] Voice 11: ask you to keep your comment you know give us your comments during the during the town hall

[2:38:46] Voice 11: section the applicant speaking the local trust committee is is uh a

[2:38:52] Voice 8: regular part of process so

[2:38:54] Voice 8: um unless i hear a strong desire from the local trust committee we'll just proceed

[2:39:02] Voice 8: happy to hear from everybody all right um yes sir my name is bill koche i live at 111 baker road

[2:39:10] Voice 8: which is the residence closest to this block where you want to rearrange realign media

[2:39:16] Voice 8: property lines so i get the benefit of listening to the screeching and breaking and humping the

[2:39:21] Voice 8: horns more often than most when vehicles were trying to pull out and fade the road onto

[2:39:26] Voice 8: to lower Gandy Road in either north or the north side of the direction.

[2:39:31] Voice 8: What happens with the traffic that comes down from the several intersections

[2:39:36] Voice 8: is they're apparently going faster than the 50 kilometer per speed limit

[2:39:40] Voice 8: because it's downhill and they're heading into town.

[2:39:44] Voice 8: You can see the end of their journey.

[2:39:47] Voice 8: In a meeting at the Transportation Commission some time ago

[2:39:50] Voice 8: that Harry Holman attended, this was

[2:39:53] Voice 7: pretty well scratched out

[2:39:55] Voice 7: and it was pointed out that

[2:39:57] Voice 7: the engineering for that intersection to incorporate the raised height

[2:40:01] Voice 7: of the

[2:40:02] Voice 8: pathway fits within the specifications required for the pipelines. Well that's all

[2:40:11] Voice 8: well and good if the traffic is probably at 50 kilometers an hour. The problem is

[2:40:17] Voice 8: when traffic is going faster than that you

[2:40:20] Voice 7: can't see over the top of the pathway into the oncoming

[2:40:24] Voice 7: in traffic, they

[2:40:26] Voice 8: stopped at Baker Road to turn onto Lower Ganges Road.

[2:40:31] Voice 8: Gary Holman in that Transportation Commission meeting said they were very

[2:40:35] Voice 7: close to finishing

[2:40:36] Voice 7: that pathway project, and they wanted to complete it before making corrective measures.

[2:40:42] Voice 7: There's various engineering solutions to lower that sight line so that we can incorporate

[2:40:47] Voice 7: the speed from the traffic going faster than 50 kilometers an hour.

[2:40:52] Voice 7: the one that was kicked around as the easiest idea was to take out the

[2:40:56] Voice 7: top concrete block

[2:40:59] Voice 8: in that wall which we lower the pathway down still up to the bluff that i'll call it a bluff

[2:41:05] Voice 8: it's a short bluff where the totes hang out from the graves but

[2:41:10] Voice 7: to take the top block concrete

[2:41:11] Voice 7: blocks away lower the pathway and then you can see over the rise

[2:41:16] Voice 8: that was created by the pathway

[2:41:18] Voice 8: way to gauge the speed of the oncoming traffic especially when they're going faster than the

[2:41:23] Voice 8: speed limit i'd like to see that corrected at this opportunity maybe maybe your board won't

[2:41:32] Voice 8: see this as an opportunity but i as the local resident listening to the screeches and the horns

[2:41:37] Voice 8: think it's an opportunity to make it safe okay um i

[2:41:44] Voice 11: see another question but i just have a question

[2:41:46] Voice 11: of clarity is the uh concrete block that you're talking about is that on the is that on the boat

[2:41:53] Voice 11: property or the

[2:41:55] Voice 8: concrete block is on the northwest corner of that intersection as the pathway runs

[2:42:01] Voice 8: north past the graveyard there's two two levels of concrete blocks that raises the pathway up

[2:42:11] Voice 7: as it goes past the graveyard and then i think into the part of the property north of the

[2:42:16] Voice 7: rate guard okay

[2:42:17] Voice 11: i'm just wondering what the jurisdiction on that section would be

[2:42:20] Voice 11: um trustee patrick i

[2:42:22] Trustee Patrick: think well we don't modi approve subdivision

[2:42:27] Trustee Patrick: and so all we're doing is relaxing some of the rules that are normally associated with

[2:42:34] Trustee Patrick: subdivision um what we could do i think is you know we could we could ask that when

[2:42:41] Trustee Patrick: i don't know how communicate to modi these concerns were raised um i think is what we could

[2:42:49] Trustee Patrick: we could do but modi body wants their right away in their subdivision approval process

[2:42:54] Trustee Patrick: so they've got the they've got the ability to do something

[2:42:59] Voice 8: i just want to say something relevant the point is that this needs to

[2:43:04] Voice 6: be fixed and the changes

[2:43:06] Voice 6: The changes that you are considering today could affect our ability to fix the situation.

[2:43:12] Voice 6: Construction needs to take place there.

[2:43:15] Voice 6: Changes need to be made.

[2:43:16] Voice 6: And I'm not clear on whether this action that we have to take will make it more difficult for us to make the changes later on.

[2:43:25] Voice 6: That's the whole point.

[2:43:26] Voice 6: And that is why I asked you to wait so you can talk with me.

[2:43:30] Voice 6: Do you have anything else?

[2:43:33] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:43:34] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:43:34] Voice 8: okay

[2:43:34] Voice 6: because it might take more space and it's there now what i see here

[2:43:40] Voice 9: is i kind of see the

[2:43:41] Voice 9: opposite i think if we improve this this will expedite processing getting that fixed

[2:43:46] Voice 8: and

[2:43:47] Voice 8: i'm prepared to go ahead with this anything further from trustee patrick yeah

[2:43:55] Trustee Patrick: i i don't see

[2:43:56] Trustee Patrick: this is a upon you know as a as a opportunity to control pushing it um i think we could use

[2:44:07] Trustee Patrick: our communications with with modi on this subdivision application and raise that you

[2:44:12] Trustee Patrick: know that these issues were raised and that um of concern on this property um i hope that's the best

[2:44:22] Trustee Patrick: you can do that's the best

[2:44:23] Voice 6: you can do but you're

[2:44:25] Voice 7: not going to be telling anybody anything they

[2:44:27] Voice 7: don't already know uh

[2:44:29] Voice 11: i have a question for staff but on that in terms of uh procedurally um i'm

[2:44:37] Voice 11: not i'm not 100 clear on on um

[2:44:40] Voice 8: could we uh officially as the local trust committee uh

[2:44:45] Voice 8: forward these concerns you could mr baugh if you

[2:44:53] Voice 10: want to ask a question mr bob quickly

[2:44:55] Voice 10: uh mr baugh have we referred this application to the crd uh

[2:45:00] Voice 2: no i don't believe we have

[2:45:02] Voice 10: okay and we've we've responded to the subdivision application that goes along with

[2:45:09] Voice 2: this we have we

[2:45:11] Voice 2: received a referral this was um it was a different planner at the time but uh we received a referral

[2:45:17] Voice 2: from modi i believe in 2021 and sent a referral response uh back that same that same year and so

[2:45:25] Voice 2: now um there's a number of conditions that that islands trust are required uh following from our

[2:45:30] Voice 2: land use bylaw and this variance is addressing some of those some of those conditions

[2:45:42] Voice 8: there's this is mr chair there's limited

[2:45:45] Voice 10: opportunity to request um additional road

[2:45:50] Voice 10: dedication as part of this like that would be and without a clear design if moti had a design

[2:45:57] Voice 10: stated clearly that we need to widen uh lower gandhi's road by x number of meters um

[2:46:02] Voice 8: through a

[2:46:04] Voice 10: a conventional subdivision or strata or creating additional lots we would be in a position to

[2:46:10] Voice 10: request additional road dedication at this time this this application provides dedication that

[2:46:19] Voice 10: was never in place on baker road but there's it's not clear to me that it's supported

[2:46:27] Voice 10: to add additional road dedication requirement

[2:46:31] Voice 10: off of Lower Ganges to straighten that out.

[2:46:36] Voice 2: I can

[2:46:38] Voice 2: speak to that, oh, apologies.

[2:46:40] Voice 2: Yeah, please do.

[2:46:41] Voice 2: I can just speak to that road dedication thing briefly

[2:46:45] Voice 2: that if you look at the plan on page 201

[2:46:48] Voice 2: of the agenda package,

[2:46:50] Voice 2: you can see that the road dedication goes as far as it can

[2:46:55] Voice 2: without um you know without including grave sites that are existing and so any further

[2:47:01] Voice 2: dedication would um you know it would likely require some you know some removal or or

[2:47:08] Voice 2: movement of those existing sites so

[2:47:14] Voice 8: there's somewhat constrained there

[2:47:16] Voice 8: i move

[2:47:30] Voice 9: that the salt strand trust committee approved development variance permit ssdbt

[2:47:36] Voice 9: 2022.12 and direct the staff not issue the permit until a covenant consistent with the draft covenant

[2:47:42] Voice 9: in attachment six of the report from plenary about dated may 18th 2023

[2:47:48] Voice 11: seconded any further

[2:47:52] Voice 11: discussion

[2:47:52] Trustee Patrick: i'll i will make a motion afterwards that we share the correspondence and what we

[2:47:58] Trustee Patrick: heard in the town hall today um

[2:48:00] Voice 6: i think there's some words yeah

[2:48:03] Trustee Patrick: it should be approved yeah until

[2:48:04] Voice 6: a covenant consistent with the draft covenant um of the report is registered or something

[2:48:12] Voice 6: it's approved

[2:48:17] Voice 8: is

[2:48:19] Voice 6: approved or yeah

[2:48:21] Voice 8: until the covenant

[2:48:21] Voice 8: just

[2:48:22] Voice 10: it's similar and consistent with uh the description in

[2:48:28] Voice 11: this report yeah

[2:48:29] Voice 6: it was missing

[2:48:30] Voice 6: after

[2:48:30] Voice 11: BA is approved or is registered after

[2:48:34] Voice 6: the date can i

[2:48:38] Voice 8: there's a big difference between

[2:48:40] Voice 8: approved and registered would require diocese to register covenant first and proceed with the rest

[2:48:49] Voice 8: of the supplement process approved would require them to do it at the time of submission because

[2:48:57] Voice 8: there's two parties involved there's also a private landowner anything can happen between

[2:49:01] Voice 8: between now and final registration.

[2:49:04] Voice 8: So if I had a request would be that

[2:49:07] Voice 8: if

[2:49:08] Voice 7: the company will be registered at time subdivision

[2:49:10] Voice 7: when all price set at the opportunity to good sense

[2:49:13] Voice 8: subdivision, rather than putting a constraint

[2:49:15] Voice 8: on one of the two properties that are affected now

[2:49:20] Voice 8: on the expectation that everything recedes

[2:49:22] Voice 8: to final subdivision in some time.

[2:49:26] Voice 8: Sounds good.

[2:49:27] Voice 8: I'm looking to stop to give us the record.

[2:49:30] Voice 8: That's not upset here.

[2:49:34] Voice 10: I'm not sure what the request is here exactly, but the covenant is a simple registration that can be done at a time and runs at the land, so that

[2:49:42] Voice 10: The sentence

[2:49:43] Trustee Patrick: is incomplete, is what the problem is.

[2:49:45] Trustee Patrick: The

[2:49:45] Voice 10: sentence and the recommendation is incomplete.

[2:49:47] Voice 10: It needs to be in the draft, right? So the final covenant just needs to be to match what's proposed in the report.

[2:49:56] Voice 4: But it just says until a covenant consistent.

[2:50:01] Voice 4: If you had it registered on title at the end of that.

[2:50:06] Voice 4: resolution is

[2:50:09] Voice 8: that what we want to hear registered or approved for

[2:50:12] Voice 11: staff advice on that um so need to

[2:50:15] Voice 11: be registered or as approved so the

[2:50:17] Voice 10: best approach uh is to ensure that prior to issuing the actual

[2:50:24] Voice 10: issue of registration and issuance of the permit is actually done at the staff level so um the

[2:50:30] Voice 10: ltc approves this process and we proceed so this is simply placing a condition

[2:50:36] Voice 10: of the approval on to basically ensuring that the permit won't be issued until the process is completed.

[2:50:45] Trustee Patrick: We understand that. There's words missing in this sentence. What are those words? That's the question.

[2:50:51] Voice 8: So the staff

[2:50:58] Voice 10: do not issue the permit until a covenant consistent with the draft covenant in attachment 6.

[2:51:02] Voice 10: So that draft covenant is attached in attachment 6, is registered, sorry,

[2:51:08] Voice 11: is registered on title.

[2:51:09] Voice 11: Okay. So that's the, that's the staff recommendation is, is, is registered on title.

[2:51:14] Voice 11: Yeah. Okay. That's what we're looking for. Thank you. I apologize.

[2:51:19] Voice 11: So, um,

[2:51:20] Trustee Patrick: and,

[2:51:22] Voice 11: and the applicants express some concerns with that. Um, but that's staff

[2:51:27] Voice 11: recommendation is to use that language. Okay. Just want to make that clear. Um, what, and then the,

[2:51:37] Voice 11: the motion as as it's captured at this point what does it say uh

[2:51:42] Voice 6: well it's it's do you want me to

[2:51:44] Voice 6: read the whole thing

[2:51:45] Voice 11: just the the pertinent bit of the editor okay

[2:51:48] Voice 6: uh so dated may 18 2023 is

[2:51:51] Voice 6: registered on tape okay

[2:51:53] Voice 11: so the the motion on the floor is consistent with the staff recommendation

[2:51:57] Voice 11: that's that's the information i need okay

[2:52:00] Voice 8: so uh any further further discussion no okay not saying

[2:52:09] Voice 8: any further discussion i'll call the question all those in favor and motion

[2:52:13] Voice 11: carries now do

[2:52:15] Trustee Patrick: we need a

[2:52:16] Trustee Patrick: second motion to request stop to forward um

[2:52:22] Voice 8: i guess

[2:52:23] Trustee Patrick: concerns that raised or correspondence

[2:52:26] Trustee Patrick: and concerns raised in

[2:52:28] Voice 8: the town hall regarding um the

[2:52:32] Trustee Patrick: site issues to modi's

[2:52:34] Voice 8: attention if ltc wishes

[2:52:38] Voice 8: just to forward the letters to Mr. We can, we can read that. Yeah, of course.

[2:52:50] Voice 8: I should share a comment. Yeah. So it can be done. So

[2:52:54] Trustee Patrick: I'm going to win one here. I know, sir.

[2:52:56] Trustee Patrick: I think that's all found local press committee request staff to forward correspondence.

[2:53:01] Trustee Patrick: correspondence that

[2:53:04] Voice 8: we

[2:53:09] Voice 12: had a correspondence.

[2:53:15] Voice 8: Oh, I guess it was an email we got from Maxine.

[2:53:20] Voice 8: Sorry, so it was a lead item for seeing the information.

[2:53:24] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, correspondence and concerns raised

[2:53:28] Trustee Patrick: during the town hall in relation to this application

[2:53:34] Trustee Patrick: to

[2:53:34] Voice 8: administer highways, transportation and construction.

[2:53:40] Voice 8: Subdivision approving officer.

[2:53:44] Voice 8: This way to make sure that it's captured.

[2:53:48] Voice 8: That the Saltsbury-London

[2:53:54] Voice 6: Local Trust Committee direct staff to forward correspondence received and concerns raised in relation to application SSDBP 2022.12 to the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.

[2:54:07] Voice 8: I think it's a subdivision approving officer.

[2:54:10] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:54:11] Voice 6: To the subdivision.

[2:54:14] Voice 8: is it subdivision approving officer something on the end of that

[2:54:17] Voice 8: proving i think it's proving

[2:54:26] Voice 6: that the

[2:54:28] Voice 6: salt spring on local trust committee direct staff to forward correspondence received

[2:54:32] Voice 6: and concerns raised in relation to application ssdp 2022.12 to the ministry of transportation

[2:54:40] Voice 6: and infrastructure subdivision approving officer so

[2:54:45] Voice 8: moved second moved and seconded any further

[2:54:49] Voice 8: discussion uh not seeing any i will call the question all those in favor and that motion

[2:54:58] Voice 8: carries all right then so that brings

[2:55:02] Voice 11: us to section 12 uh local trust committee projects

[2:55:09] Voice 11: projects and uh we have a staff report on the project

[2:55:16] Voice 8: Charter preview that is 223 on page 223.

[2:55:37] Voice 8: um okay and this is coming from Planner Carville

[2:55:41] Voice 8: well we're getting that ready I'll just note that we agreed to uh we agreed to uh um

[2:56:08] Voice 11: defer further discussion on the housing accelerator uh issues to this section as well so just

[2:56:15] Voice 11: flag that for attention planner garbo go ahead please

[2:56:18] Voice 6: thank you chair uh i just have a really

[2:56:23] Voice 6: brief uh presentation uh essentially just kind of explain the process a little bit so uh the

[2:56:30] Voice 6: the, essentially, the local government act

[2:56:35] Voice 6: gave us a vast direction on how to draft

[2:56:40] Voice 6: all the requirements on official community plans

[2:56:43] Voice 6: under their Part 14, Division 4.

[2:56:48] Voice 6: And it's also stated as part of the legislation

[2:56:53] Voice 6: that all land use bylaws must comply

[2:56:56] Voice 6: with their official community plans.

[2:56:58] Voice 6: So, a couple of provisions basically said in OCP, because a lot of the times they identify

[2:57:09] Voice 6: the mandate and the objectives and the projects or actions, but it doesn't obligate local

[2:57:15] Voice 6: governments to take those actions.

[2:57:17] Voice 6: We can identify that in our question community plan, and then identify the mandatory policies,

[2:57:26] Voice 6: policies under

[2:57:28] Voice 6: an official Canadian

[2:57:29] Voice 6: plan, which includes

[2:57:32] Voice 6: land use element, which we're very

[2:57:34] Voice 6: familiar with, that talks about

[2:57:36] Voice 6: martial, industrial,

[2:57:39] Voice 6: institutional,

[2:57:40] Voice 6: agricultural, and so forth,

[2:57:42] Voice 6: and also talk about public

[2:57:44] Voice 6: facilities and schools,

[2:57:46] Voice 6: the location for those uses,

[2:57:48] Voice 6: and

[2:57:49] Voice 6: infrastructure is identified

[2:57:51] Voice 6: as, you know, roadways,

[2:57:53] Voice 6: sewer and water, etc.,

[2:57:56] Voice 6: And also what type of uses are being restricted quite often, you can identify that in the OCP and housing element is, it's pretty important.

[2:58:07] Voice 6: The legislation also talk about not only just restricting uses, for example, in sensitive area, but also require to identify the housing, how to address the housing issues.

[2:58:21] Voice 6: issues. And of course, a couple of the last elements, you've probably heard a lot of that

[2:58:28] Voice 6: on the greenhouse gas has been a countrywide global issues. So definitely local government

[2:58:36] Voice 6: has one of municipalities to address how to reduce greenhouse gas. And they also wanted

[2:58:46] Voice 6: to talk about the long-term areas within the OCP. The next slide shows the option before you go on

[2:58:55] Trustee Patrick: I just want you kind of glossed over the how it requires that the residential development required

[2:59:00] Trustee Patrick: to meet the anticipated housing needs over a period of at least five years and that's very

[2:59:05] Trustee Patrick: strong. I just wanted to make sure that and

[2:59:09] Voice 6: the optional policies in the next slide shows

[2:59:15] Voice 6: some of the municipalities can go above and beyond

[2:59:18] Voice 6: what they want to address

[2:59:19] Voice 6: because local circumstances are different.

[2:59:24] Voice 6: So some OCPs will see the cultural elements,

[2:59:29] Voice 6: natural environment, which we do a lot

[2:59:33] Voice 6: because of our mandate to serve and protect

[2:59:36] Voice 6: and other broad objectives of the local government.

[2:59:39] Voice 6: and the next slide shows uh the typical process under the legislation so the ministry identifies

[2:59:47] Voice 6: in general in the municipalities unlike us with special government in general municipalities have

[2:59:55] Voice 6: engineering department have their school department fire department so they identify

[2:59:59] Voice 6: then

[3:00:00] Voice 6: by addressing growth strategy and the official plan,

[3:00:04] Voice 6: the two most important guiding documents,

[3:00:08] Voice 6: and then follow by talk about that at our previous meetings

[3:00:13] Voice 6: where departments are responsible to develop their master plan,

[3:00:18] Voice 6: how do they address future development growth, and so forth,

[3:00:22] Voice 6: all the way to the land use plan and business license

[3:00:27] Voice 6: and building permits.

[3:00:28] Voice 6: That's kind of the hierarchy of what a typical municipality is like.

[3:00:32] Voice 6: But Salt Spring, of course, is different.

[3:00:35] Voice 6: We only have the land use planning department.

[3:00:37] Voice 6: So we look at the...

[3:00:39] Voice 6: Sorry, Mr. Chair.

[3:00:41] Voice 14: Yes.

[3:00:43] Trustee Patrick: But we have the requirement for the OCP.

[3:00:46] Trustee Patrick: Yes, we have the land use, but we have the requirement for the OCP.

[3:00:49] Trustee Patrick: So we have to take in more consideration than just land use.

[3:00:54] Trustee Patrick: Land use is a result of the OCP.

[3:00:56] Trustee Patrick: key so i'm just challenging that as being that's the only input we have

[3:01:02] Trustee Patrick: to borrow the inputs from a

[3:01:05] Trustee Patrick: typical municipality by working in cooperation with which is our mandate from the agencies that

[3:01:11] Trustee Patrick: have those those so if we aren't a single

[3:01:15] Trustee Patrick: triangle we are a we are connected to the other side right

[3:01:20] Voice 6: and they

[3:01:20] Trustee Patrick: overlap these two images and have a better okay thank you yes

[3:01:23] Voice 6: that's just kind of

[3:01:24] Voice 6: of explaining the general process at a very high level.

[3:01:28] Voice 6: So our governing documents, I think

[3:01:32] Voice 6: that's what I was referring to, is the governing documents

[3:01:34] Voice 6: that we have made, our interest policy statements,

[3:01:38] Voice 6: and which address growth, like other municipalities,

[3:01:42] Voice 6: where they have original growth strategies.

[3:01:45] Voice 6: And then our OCP has to be, any local trust committee that

[3:01:50] Voice 6: developed the OCP has to be consistent with the trust

[3:01:53] Voice 6: trust policy statement and we don't have a lot of local area fine but it will fall under sort of a

[3:02:01] Voice 6: sub-planning process that focus on the more localized area and then of course for us in

[3:02:07] Voice 6: salt spraining it's a language bylaw and to talk about the process in the next slides it shows in

[3:02:13] Voice 6: general again it's very high level we're not really saying this is what the act of the

[3:02:21] Voice 6: local government acts dictate but in general this is a process in on the left side is

[3:02:29] Voice 6: the guidelines that talk about typically when you do ocp you look at research you do technical

[3:02:35] Voice 6: analysis referral and i'm not going to go through a lot of that but on the right side that relevant

[3:02:42] Voice 6: to salisbury island is what make us a little bit more unique is uh the early first nations

[3:02:49] Voice 6: consultation and this is what we do it's an island trust and the one that's highlight yellow

[3:02:55] Voice 6: it's what kind of stands out that is different than a general typical municipality where we also

[3:03:03] Voice 6: have to look at the island trust act that in addition to the local government act we also

[3:03:08] Voice 6: have to have the ministry get approved how officer can be made fine it's kind of doesn't matter

[3:03:16] Voice 6: whether it's a minor amendment or major amendment that's the process so and to look at our ocp in

[3:03:26] Voice 6: the next slides the rest goes through really quickly basically we'll talk about um it

[3:03:32] Voice 6: identified as a bylaw encompassing objectives and policy that serves as a development blueprint for

[3:03:41] Voice 6: South Spring Island for Future Development and there's because there hasn't been any comprehensive

[3:03:48] Voice 6: review since 2008 other than the minor update and it's also the fact that we are getting to

[3:03:57] Voice 6: the policy statement stage of the Housing Action Program and the next slide shows it's also

[3:04:03] Voice 6: kind of bring together the policy development stage of the Housing Action Program protection

[3:04:10] Voice 6: of CBF and Ganges Village planning.

[3:04:15] Voice 6: And so the council adopted, approved 96,000

[3:04:20] Voice 6: and we kind of provide a summary on how it was proposed.

[3:04:26] Voice 6: Again, this is a high level looking at the budget.

[3:04:30] Voice 6: And one of the items, the second item,

[3:04:33] Voice 6: we'll talk about 100,000 is when we say grants,

[3:04:36] Voice 6: it's not in place yet.

[3:04:39] Voice 6: so we have to compete for the grant.

[3:04:41] Voice 6: And LTC did endorse our application

[3:04:44] Voice 6: for the Complete Community Grant,

[3:04:46] Voice 6: which is going to,

[3:04:48] Voice 6: the deadline is in three weeks or so,

[3:04:51] Voice 6: so we need to focus on getting that out of the way.

[3:04:56] Voice 6: And I think that is kind of a really quick,

[3:05:03] Voice 6: oh, there's one more slide to talk about.

[3:05:07] Voice 6: For us, with the budget

[3:05:10] Voice 6: and with the items, see the general staff.

[3:05:14] Voice 6: And right now, we're anticipating the most immediate

[3:05:18] Voice 6: action is to have first nations.

[3:05:22] Voice 6: And the draft project charter that we provided to you today,

[3:05:27] Voice 6: it's just what staff internally,

[3:05:31] Voice 6: we think that those are the items identified

[3:05:36] Voice 6: in the project charter.

[3:05:37] Voice 6: And we want to seek input today to see how we can offer the need to revise the project

[3:05:45] Voice 6: charter.

[3:05:46] Voice 6: The section that was highlighted is the one that would need more work right now.

[3:05:52] Voice 6: As I mentioned just a couple of minutes ago, we need to work on the client's applications.

[3:05:58] Voice 6: And the funding that was approved is for the public engagement of a consultant to do a

[3:06:05] Voice 6: very comprehensive robust public engagement program so with that being said uh i think this

[3:06:12] Voice 6: is kind of the introduction to this ocp process and happy to answer your questions okay

[3:06:20] Voice 11: i have

[3:06:21] Voice 11: a question um first about the complete community grant you said it's about three weeks to the

[3:06:26] Voice 11: application deadline june 16th

[3:06:28] Voice 11: okay and and then do we know the date um when the grant approvals

[3:06:33] Voice 11: are are completed if

[3:06:36] Voice 6: i remember correctly i think it's within months or so okay

[3:06:39] Voice 11: so it might be by

[3:06:40] Voice 11: may july then roughly yeah okay thank you uh any other questions oh i have i know you have a lot

[3:06:48] Voice 11: but uh you want to wait yeah trustee

[3:06:51] Trustee Patrick: patrick i i have so many i don't know where to begin

[3:06:55] Trustee Patrick: um one is i i really wanted to have started this conversation much earlier and i know

[3:06:59] Trustee Patrick: staff's response was, well, we had to wait

[3:07:01] Trustee Patrick: until the budget was approved, but I wish

[3:07:03] Trustee Patrick: we had started this conversation earlier

[3:07:05] Trustee Patrick: because

[3:07:06] Trustee Patrick: what we heard from

[3:07:09] Trustee Patrick: especially LIAXA Nation in particular

[3:07:11] Trustee Patrick: is, you know, we want

[3:07:14] Trustee Patrick: to be involved in the project definition

[3:07:15] Trustee Patrick: phase, and

[3:07:16] Voice 20: I

[3:07:17] Trustee Patrick: really saw, you know,

[3:07:20] Trustee Patrick: their reminder

[3:07:21] Trustee Patrick: of just how important the

[3:07:23] Trustee Patrick: project definition phase, it's

[3:07:25] Trustee Patrick: not just about First Nations,

[3:07:28] Trustee Patrick: it's also about

[3:07:29] Trustee Patrick: our understanding of the project and preparing the community for this kind of project and

[3:07:35] Trustee Patrick: and i see we play a huge role in also preparing the um the community to be understanding the

[3:07:47] Trustee Patrick: first nations um uh aspects of it um because it's not just go off and talk to first nations and go

[3:07:55] Trustee Patrick: off and talk to community separately there's this there's a bringing together of the ideas

[3:08:00] Trustee Patrick: of of what we're hearing and um and things i think um

[3:08:06] Voice 8: i absolutely concur that we need to

[3:08:12] Trustee Patrick: get going on first nations um engagement but a council but to me it's i don't sending them

[3:08:20] Trustee Patrick: this document to me is not meaningful um because i don't understand it uh i think we need to go

[3:08:27] Trustee Patrick: further and really work to prepare and respect that First Nations are asking for an opportunity

[3:08:34] Trustee Patrick: to be involved and that they should be given that opportunity to partner and inform the project

[3:08:42] Trustee Patrick: scoping and project public engagement that what needs to be shared and explained to them.

[3:08:52] Trustee Patrick: So I really would support that. We need some experienced professional advisors to help set up an Indigenous relations approach for this OCP project and related to Ganji's project.

[3:09:05] Trustee Patrick: To me, it's the same. The two are completely linked. And I know we're going to hire someone eventually to fill the gap with the position we have at the Adelance Trust, but that's for trust.

[3:09:19] Trustee Patrick: you know they're serving the entire trust area we haven't had the position full for two years

[3:09:25] Trustee Patrick: i can't imagine the backlog of work that's sitting on that desk when that poor person gets hired

[3:09:29] Trustee Patrick: adding them this ocp project in a complicated environment with 13 nations

[3:09:35] Trustee Patrick: i think is an unfair expectation and i think we should dedicate funds from the project to get

[3:09:45] Trustee Patrick: experienced, like I said, professional advisors to help set this up for success right off the

[3:09:51] Trustee Patrick: beginning. And that gives us some time to spend time looking at what this project is.

[3:10:00] Trustee Patrick: Earlier, we were having discussions about the accelerator program about,

[3:10:04] Trustee Patrick: well, we're seeing a lot of growth on this island. And boy, do we want to admit we want to manage it

[3:10:10] Trustee Patrick: to react to it i'd say the days of reacting to growth are over when we react to growth we get

[3:10:16] Trustee Patrick: what we get we've got to manage growth i know growth is a dirty word yeah let's trust use the

[3:10:23] Trustee Patrick: word change then it's changing the demographics are changing climate is changing we're responding

[3:10:28] Trustee Patrick: to changes um and we've got to get faster at being proactive so that this community is in its

[3:10:39] Trustee Patrick: best position it can be to take care of itself as the world continues to change around it and we're

[3:10:47] Trustee Patrick: on a rapid path to have one class of individuals living here with no one here to support work and

[3:10:54] Trustee Patrick: house our hospitals or ferries or grocery stores um none of that so we do need to

[3:11:05] Trustee Patrick: really seriously ask who is this community who makes up this community and what kind of housing

[3:11:11] Trustee Patrick: should this community have so it's it's it's not just about new housing i even look at our

[3:11:18] Trustee Patrick: our strategy we're working on at the island's trust level we keep referring to new the new

[3:11:23] Trustee Patrick: stuff we need to build and that can be for the affordable people but we've also got to look at

[3:11:29] Trustee Patrick: the rules we have on the books today that are clearly driving the wrong kind of housing so we

[3:11:35] Trustee Patrick: can't just keep adding i think we've got to correct and fix what's happening not just say oh well

[3:11:41] Trustee Patrick: keep building this kind of housing and we'll squeeze in the occasional affordable unit where

[3:11:46] Trustee Patrick: we can shoehorn it in um you know last night we had the young people that came out to our town

[3:11:54] Trustee Patrick: town hall that said their friends are leaving and they're going to be leaving too um i was talking

[3:12:02] Trustee Patrick: with sarah earlier the kids that are in the working age group on this island are losing friends

[3:12:09] Trustee Patrick: left over right leaving this island that's our workforce they're skedaddling and they're

[3:12:16] Trustee Patrick: skedaddling because the change is impacting them like one of the young people that was here last

[3:12:22] Trustee Patrick: I went on Facebook last night and said, I'm so glad I came and engaged in the discussion last night.

[3:12:29] Trustee Patrick: Hey, wouldn't it be cool if we engaged the young people on this island about what the island is going to look like for them, what it should look like?

[3:12:38] Trustee Patrick: So I think this project is really important.

[3:12:43] Trustee Patrick: And whether or not we do the accelerator program, the concept of being vitally aware of what's happening, what's happened.

[3:12:52] Trustee Patrick: We have a 2008 OCP. It was never implemented in a 1999 land use bylaw. So we need to look at what's happened. I'm really grateful. I think the people who wrote the 2008 had thought of a lot of good things, directing growth toward Ganges.

[3:13:12] Trustee Patrick: there were a lot of good things that happened but it didn't get implemented very well

[3:13:17] Trustee Patrick: what did happen in the water moratorium what did happen where'd all that growth go

[3:13:22] Trustee Patrick: well you know what happened we've got all the stats here houses were built houses were sold

[3:13:27] Trustee Patrick: so it's been happening where has it been going how much you know has that growth been

[3:13:33] Trustee Patrick: out of sync with our

[3:13:36] Voice 8: preserve and protect mandate um so i think we have to understand what's

[3:13:44] Trustee Patrick: happened. So going to First Nations with a real Indigenous relations intent with experienced

[3:13:53] Trustee Patrick: people, understanding what's happened in this community since the OCP was reviewed,

[3:14:01] Voice 8: recognizing

[3:14:02] Voice 8: that we've missed voices, engaging the youth and the young people who are

[3:14:10] Trustee Patrick: going to be here,

[3:14:11] Trustee Patrick: absolutely must we need to to understand the data um demographics and all of those uh whatever data

[3:14:23] Trustee Patrick: we what has happened

[3:14:26] Voice 8: um i like the complete sort of communities

[3:14:33] Trustee Patrick: um i know it's i think it's it's

[3:14:38] Trustee Patrick: one of those opportunities to me this is about focusing this is i think what the exercise we

[3:14:42] Trustee Patrick: need to talk about is this is a focused review of the ocp so how are we focusing it we're narrowing

[3:14:50] Trustee Patrick: it in um i know i've been saying housing housing housing when i say housing it's the verb housing

[3:14:56] Trustee Patrick: it's not the building of the housing it someone advised me the other night saying we're building

[3:15:01] Trustee Patrick: community this is where we're having a so i think working in a complete community

[3:15:08] Trustee Patrick: the language

[3:15:11] Trustee Patrick: I think this is an opportunity

[3:15:12] Trustee Patrick: to islandize the complete

[3:15:14] Trustee Patrick: community program of

[3:15:16] Trustee Patrick: BC government and what we'd be applying

[3:15:18] Trustee Patrick: for because I would say

[3:15:20] Trustee Patrick: it's a complete and resilient

[3:15:21] Trustee Patrick: island community

[3:15:24] Trustee Patrick: one that embraces reconciliation

[3:15:27] Trustee Patrick: and is

[3:15:28] Trustee Patrick: adaptive to climate and

[3:15:31] Trustee Patrick: democratic change

[3:15:32] Trustee Patrick: have to be adaptive and prepared for what's

[3:15:35] Voice 8: coming

[3:15:36] Voice 8: um we know we need to

[3:15:41] Trustee Patrick: update policies and review policies to achieve a diverse and sustainable

[3:15:48] Trustee Patrick: housing options and curtail this is important curtail the residential development that's out

[3:15:55] Trustee Patrick: of step with our community needs we've got to admit we've got rules that need to be

[3:16:01] Trustee Patrick: that we're getting the wrong housing we have to you know there's nothing wrong with that

[3:16:08] Trustee Patrick: We're not the only community.

[3:16:10] Trustee Patrick: I think every community in BC recognizes the rules of the book

[3:16:13] Trustee Patrick: are driving the wrong kind of housing, so we have to correct it.

[3:16:20] Trustee Patrick: I think, again, if we're going to talk about managing growth,

[3:16:24] Trustee Patrick: I think we've got to look at the previous,

[3:16:28] Trustee Patrick: the 2008 directed growth to the villages,

[3:16:32] Trustee Patrick: but I think we need to consider going one step further

[3:16:35] Trustee Patrick: and talk about evaluating and considering designating

[3:16:40] Trustee Patrick: village containment boundaries to manage growth and settlement patterns that's in the bc

[3:16:47] Trustee Patrick: toolkit for climate change it's recognized as uh as something i think we have to look at that

[3:16:56] Trustee Patrick: more seriously not just say growth can go here but what does it mean if we were to really consider

[3:17:02] Trustee Patrick: designating uh village containment boundaries and i and i again jesus is an obvious but i said

[3:17:09] Trustee Patrick: we should look at is that the only place um i absolutely support going for grant maximizing

[3:17:19] Trustee Patrick: grant funds um uh the accelerated fund there's also this pro this ocp project is supposed to

[3:17:26] Trustee Patrick: be looking further at reducing the risk of wildfire hazards um and there is a the and i

[3:17:35] Trustee Patrick: know the previous planner jason yeomans was intending to apply deadlines next fall along

[3:17:42] Trustee Patrick: with the CRD. The CRD supported it. The 2023 fire smart community funding and supports fund

[3:17:51] Trustee Patrick: was what they were they were intending to work on to look look be doing the wildfire hazards

[3:17:58] Trustee Patrick: hazard risk because that's the where we're building homes. I think we have to be very

[3:18:04] Trustee Patrick: clear that we want to be in a

[3:18:06] Voice 8: coordinating interagency activities on a

[3:18:14] Trustee Patrick: number of you know we

[3:18:15] Trustee Patrick: talking if we're going to manage growth well we should have some targets what are our growth

[3:18:20] Trustee Patrick: targets i don't think that's something we do alone we're going to have to work with our various

[3:18:23] Trustee Patrick: agencies and partners to figure out what established growth targets or rates um then

[3:18:32] Trustee Patrick: there's the whole servicing side we're going to have to work coordinate with the agencies on

[3:18:36] Trustee Patrick: you know is there water and sewer and fire and schools and hospitals and all those things are

[3:18:42] Are

[3:18:42] Trustee Patrick: there enough of those to serve what we think is going to happen?

[3:18:48] Trustee Patrick: We should be developing a housing strategy with the CRD.

[3:18:52] Trustee Patrick: Gary likes to avoid that one, but they did it in the Southern Gulf Islands.

[3:18:57] Trustee Patrick: We've got to coordinate the other agencies on sea level rise,

[3:19:02] Trustee Patrick: wildfire hazard risk, and food security.

[3:19:05] Trustee Patrick: We're going to have a complete community.

[3:19:06] Trustee Patrick: I assume

[3:19:07] Voice 8: we're feeding them.

[3:19:08] Trustee Patrick: And

[3:19:14] Voice 13: that's just Project Charter.

[3:19:20] Voice 8: i'm hoping

[3:19:20] Trustee Patrick: the work that i'm doing with corporate planning is that we need to see a much more

[3:19:26] Trustee Patrick: detailed work plan this is this isn't enough detail for me to say i'm comfortable saying

[3:19:32] Trustee Patrick: yeah let's go do that project i really want to see a work plan outline the scope the profession

[3:19:39] Trustee Patrick: the external professional expertise that's needed timelines costs activities milestones decision

[3:19:44] Trustee Patrick: decision points and deliverables, and the approach to public engagement.

[3:19:50] Trustee Patrick: And finally, stealing from our Saanich neighbors and their focused update of their OCP is we

[3:19:57] Trustee Patrick: really have to strengthen the monitoring and implementation components so that we don't

[3:20:02] Trustee Patrick: end up with a 2008 OCP that's really not well implemented, and we have no idea what this

[3:20:10] Trustee Patrick: growth meant.

[3:20:12] Trustee Patrick: No idea.

[3:20:13] Trustee Patrick: that we need to be able to be monitoring that the change is happening so fast now we need to be

[3:20:20] Trustee Patrick: on top of it from now on i'll stop talking that's sort of uh but i can talk forever but that's sort

[3:20:28] Trustee Patrick: of i've been working on this since we got this on friday i

[3:20:35] Voice 8: agree can i yes thank you very much

[3:20:38] Voice 8: chair peterson um i

[3:20:41] Voice 9: agree with what some with some of what you're saying laura i'm afraid that

[3:20:47] Voice 9: things are just getting way too complicated um we need housing you know i disagree with saying

[3:20:54] Voice 9: things happen too quickly because workforce ownership housing is not happening quickly

[3:20:59] Voice 9: and if we start talking about you know managing growth and where are we going to put the growth

[3:21:05] Voice 9: and so maybe we'll see in 10 years when we make a decision we need zoning we need it now it isn't

[3:21:12] Voice 9: going to that's not going to be an automatic boom you know we're going to have 2,000 new dwellings

[3:21:17] Voice 9: on the island it's just not going to happen and it's very simple we do the zoning that is strictly

[3:21:23] Voice 9: for the use of workforce ownership housing projects in the form of building strata to be

[3:21:29] Voice 9: controlled by housing authority we don't worry about the housing authority that's not our problem

[3:21:35] Voice 9: we need to do the zoning it's really simple um you know i i hear all this talk about climate

[3:21:43] Voice 9: change and and all the rest of it and yeah well what should we do there well i don't know maybe

[3:21:50] Voice 9: um look at water storage and that's not our deal instead of doom and gloom there's no water there's

[3:21:57] Voice 9: no water and we can't build here we can't build there how about we come up with a solution

[3:22:01] Voice 9: solutions are simple there's water towers all across North America in small towns we have a

[3:22:05] Voice 1: mountain

[3:22:06] Voice 9: we can have water storage up at Maxwell Lake super very very simple the watershed can

[3:22:12] Voice 9: manage we can urge them to manage their um watershed and not like what we've got in this

[3:22:17] Voice 9: wildfire summary which I'm really troubled with because it was a good workshop but the summary

[3:22:24] Voice 9: anyway we'll get into that when we get into that um all of this stuff none of it matters if we

[3:22:30] Voice 9: We don't have housing for our workforce.

[3:22:32] Voice 9: You've said that yourself,

[3:22:33] Voice 9: or a bit of a problem with some of the,

[3:22:36] Voice 9: with, you know, one of the young people that was at the,

[3:22:39] Voice 9: and it's, why is this always the case?

[3:22:40] Voice 9: One of the people that came to see us last night

[3:22:42] Voice 9: is a perpetrator of false information online,

[3:22:46] Voice 9: on social media and blowing it up with a bunch of BS.

[3:22:50] Voice 9: So, but there are other young people, yes, indeed,

[3:22:53] Voice 9: that are very troubled by the fact

[3:22:56] Voice 9: that they can't afford to live here.

[3:22:59] Voice 9: And again, we just need zoning.

[3:23:01] Voice 9: it's all we need um so if that's however we word that or you know i just i don't want things to

[3:23:10] Voice 9: get too complicated that's all i see is this this big complication um pattern and um and i do i i

[3:23:18] Voice 9: like how um plenar garbo has um you know put things fairly simply and and i like that i think

[3:23:27] Voice 9: we can work with that but you know clearly morph it into something else with some direction and

[3:23:34] Voice 9: work between us

[3:23:35] Voice 8: um you know we we need to stop working

[3:23:45] Voice 9: with with with these ngos and people that

[3:23:50] Voice 9: are they're they're not genuine with with what they're with what they're saying um and they're

[3:23:58] Voice 9: complicating the matter more it's um very troubling to me so i think housing is our

[3:24:05] Voice 9: at this point the number one deal not thinking about where and and um and how and are we how

[3:24:12] Voice 9: we're going to slow it down because it's not going to speed up and i'm not interested in

[3:24:16] Voice 9: regulating private property owners and stopping any market you know um free market enterprise

[3:24:23] Voice 9: we need it we want people we want to know you know we have to let people know that salt springs open

[3:24:27] Voice 9: open for business not shutting everything down that's why we don't have housing right now and

[3:24:32] Voice 9: i agree with you lord that's probably where a lot of the stems from um it's you know and not by

[3:24:39] Voice 9: staff's fault purposefully it's just a you know it's the the beast itself as you know the way

[3:24:46] Voice 9: it's set up if the like you're saying you need to change some of the rules and regulations

[3:24:51] Voice 9: and i'm all for that and so is much of the community so however we can fit that into the

[3:24:58] Voice 9: project charter um that's great clearly um i'm not prepared to make any motions today

[3:25:07] Voice 9: um we need to talk more about this as far as what

[3:25:12] Voice 8: i can see um i'll leave it there for now

[3:25:16] Voice 11: thanks okay thank you um i just want to share a couple of my thoughts here and and just remind

[3:25:25] Voice 11: us that we we did defer the the discussion around the housing accelerator fund what i think i uh

[3:25:33] Voice 11: i'm going to try and paraphrase what i think i heard from staff and um which was that uh

[3:25:42] Voice 11: to pursue the Housing Accelerator Fund.

[3:25:46] Voice 11: Their recommendation is that other than the engagement activities

[3:25:51] Voice 11: in our other projects, the OCP, Ganges Village,

[3:25:56] Voice 11: that the planning work on those would need to be put on hold

[3:25:59] Voice 11: to pursue accelerator funding, but the engagement parts could continue.

[3:26:04] Voice 11: Is that reasonably accurate?

[3:26:06] Voice 10: I don't think, because of, and I want to thank Trustee Patrick for the way she described

[3:26:14] Voice 10: that it's important to involve First Nations so early.

[3:26:19] Voice 10: It's more challenging to go into our own community and say, without a really clear vision of

[3:26:24] Voice 10: how this is going to roll out.

[3:26:25] Voice 10: But with First Nations, we're looking for more of a partnership process where engaging

[3:26:29] Voice 10: with the public is really more of just getting feedback and input on how to make the decision

[3:26:35] Voice 10: in place um as the elected leaders yeah and

[3:26:41] Voice 11: as as far as as that goes uh um you know this committee

[3:26:46] Voice 11: has forwarded uh our resolution to the et which has not uh responded yet at this point about

[3:26:52] Voice 11: everything you know essentially request requesting uh additional resources for salt spring to do more

[3:26:59] Voice 11: engagement work um for first nation for towards first nations specifically uh

[3:27:05] Voice 9: trustees kind of

[3:27:06] Voice 9: response to that point very good point i'm sorry i've left that out um you know i don't

[3:27:14] Voice 9: i know i mentioned at our informal meeting um we need to engage especially um with first nations

[3:27:22] Voice 9: that are living here locally so maybe that's in here but for some reason i don't see it i said

[3:27:28] Trustee Patrick: said indigenous relations i didn't say of course nations yeah

[3:27:31] Voice 9: well i wasn't referring to what you

[3:27:33] Voice 9: had mentioned just what um you know planner hatton had said so you know there's local indigenous

[3:27:38] Voice 9: living here and there's hundreds of right and i know i understand it's difficult but we need to

[3:27:43] Voice 9: speak with them we need to get them in here however we're going to do it um you know get

[3:27:48] Voice 9: them involved and what's going on um very very important and we need to really take them into

[3:27:54] Voice 9: consideration um when doing anything

[3:27:58] Voice 10: mr chair the um the project charter does um discuss an

[3:28:03] Voice 10: engagement plan uh where we would actually identify specific uh groups um there are times

[3:28:09] Voice 10: when it's um we have we have government partners that are very elevated um in this plan production

[3:28:15] uh we have we have first nations

[3:28:17] Voice 10: governments that are in a developmental relationship

[3:28:20] Voice 10: we have aspects of the population where we're talking about the business community and we're

[3:28:24] Voice 10: by the general public many communities when they're looking at especially high-end populations

[3:28:30] often work to create knowledge

[3:28:32] Voice 10: first nations members living off reserve so that would cover

[3:28:36] Voice 10: basically anybody living in the community and again people that are

[3:28:39] Voice 10: you know living and receiving

[3:28:41] Voice 10: services from the capital regional district and the local trust commission but that is within

[3:28:47] Voice 10: the engagement plan within the public engagement process unless it's a specific group so but if

[3:28:52] Voice 10: If there's a desire by the LDC to specifically address

[3:28:56] Voice 10: fair stations members living off the dirt

[3:28:57] Voice 10: or specific organized groups,

[3:28:59] Voice 10: we can certainly take that direction away

[3:29:02] Voice 10: in the engagement plan.

[3:29:05] Voice 9: I see that as something very important.

[3:29:07] Voice 9: And if there's some way we can focus some attention there,

[3:29:11] Voice 9: I think it would really be a step

[3:29:15] Voice 8: in the right direction

[3:29:15] Voice 8: for the community.

[3:29:18] Voice 8: Trustee Patrick?

[3:29:22] Voice 8: I think

[3:29:23] Trustee Patrick: you made a reference to engagement.

[3:29:24] Trustee Patrick: it's just people respond to things and tell us but yes to some degree but this is the official

[3:29:32] Trustee Patrick: community plan it belongs to the community um i do we do need to work with community organizations

[3:29:42] Trustee Patrick: this is they're they're out there as well and um but how i how i envision the ocp project going is

[3:29:51] Trustee Patrick: is that, yes, we've got the time,

[3:29:54] Trustee Patrick: we've got to go get the First Nations really, truly.

[3:30:00] Trustee Patrick: give them the opportunity to be involved in the and inform the scoping of this project

[3:30:06] Trustee Patrick: but while that's happening there's the you know conducting the the review what what did go wrong

[3:30:11] Trustee Patrick: with the current OCP what what patterns have been bad you know or what you know what what

[3:30:18] Trustee Patrick: what is what's happened just that story what's happened was that intended to happen is it

[3:30:25] Trustee Patrick: conflicting with our preserve and protect mandate I think we're going to probably find some

[3:30:28] Trustee Patrick: that development has occurred where it shouldn't um and we know we're not developing where we need

[3:30:36] Trustee Patrick: it for the people who need it so that's anecdotal but i think we we can prove that right by looking

[3:30:42] Trustee Patrick: at that we've got the there's there's work to do by by looking at at that so we're not going to

[3:30:47] Trustee Patrick: lose time by we're truly going and allowing that time to to give first nations a chance to be

[3:30:54] Trustee Patrick: be involved at that scoping phase. But out of that's going to come options of what we can do

[3:31:03] Trustee Patrick: to update the OCP. That's when we're going to be going out to the community. We may already ask

[3:31:09] Trustee Patrick: them for ideas to feed that process, but then we're going to go out to them and say, here's

[3:31:13] Trustee Patrick: all these options. There are going to be options for compact subdivisions and things of that nature.

[3:31:20] Trustee Patrick: There will be a variety of options that the community would be involved in giving detailed feedback on those various options.

[3:31:29] Trustee Patrick: And that's going to come back to us for making choices.

[3:31:32] Trustee Patrick: Which of those options do we want to pursue to update the OCP?

[3:31:38] Trustee Patrick: That's generally how the process is going to work.

[3:31:42] Trustee Patrick: I mean, from a high, high level.

[3:31:46] Voice 9: If I may, you know, I don't think we need to go to the community.

[3:31:50] Voice 9: We've already heard from the community. The community has told us what they want to do.

[3:31:55] Voice 9: You know, we need housing. It's very, very simple. Time for talk is done.

[3:31:59] Voice 9: We've got to do some action. Let's get some zoning done. Let's do the, you know, figure out where the boundaries for Ganges are.

[3:32:06] Voice 9: Let's get on. Let's get to the province. Start getting this ALR stuff moving.

[3:32:10] Voice 9: but definitely we do not want to impede workforce ownership housing projects in places where

[3:32:16] Voice 9: clearly biased NGOs are saying we can't be doing it there for you know their own personal biases

[3:32:25] Voice 9: it's clear we've had NGOs that have peddled false and misleading information to the community which

[3:32:31] Voice 9: has whipped up climate grief and exasperated the polarization in our town and that needs to stop

[3:32:38] Voice 9: We need to work together with positive messages.

[3:32:41] Voice 9: So

[3:32:41] Voice 11: I have I just want to bring something up here and and I hope this is helpful, because when we're just going to remind us that we did that.

[3:32:53] Voice 11: My my thought is that we have to make a decision about whether we're going to go for the housing accelerator fund.

[3:33:04] Voice 11: and that if we decide to do that we've got some clear um messages from staff about what that means

[3:33:12] Voice 11: to to the other projects so i wonder if it's and and uh i'm happy to hear from you trustees

[3:33:19] Voice 11: but i wonder if it's reasonable to to focus on whether or not we want to to to make that decision

[3:33:28] Voice 11: Because that decision is going to affect our work program.

[3:33:34] Voice 11: So I just wanted to bring that up and just turn that back over to you, Trustee

[3:33:38] Voice 8: Patrick.

[3:33:42] Voice 8: I actually, all the time I've spent

[3:33:47] Trustee Patrick: on looking at this for now, I think Ganges Village is paused anyway.

[3:33:52] Trustee Patrick: way because if my fellow trustees agree with me that we want to ask you to evaluate and consider

[3:33:59] Trustee Patrick: policy on designating village containment boundaries that is done in the context of the OCP

[3:34:04] Trustee Patrick: because you're looking at the entire island and making decisions as to yes we think this is the

[3:34:12] Trustee Patrick: the direction we want to go in so um and the services to take care of that area is those those

[3:34:22] Trustee Patrick: those things go together in conversations with the coordinating of our of the agencies so i don't see

[3:34:28] Trustee Patrick: i i don't see proceeding with doing an area plan on ganges till we decide if if we're going to

[3:34:35] Trustee Patrick: call Ganges a containment I hate that you set a containment boundary um that's a very different

[3:34:43] Trustee Patrick: Ganges than if we just say we're doing what's here today potentially I mean I don't think it's

[3:34:48] Trustee Patrick: very different but it means we're saying this is where we're directing growth to in a more meaningful

[3:34:52] Trustee Patrick: way than the previous OCP that just said we're directing growth there but we're also going to

[3:34:58] Trustee Patrick: to let it keep happening everywhere else um so i see ganji's village's project is on hold

[3:35:09] Trustee Patrick: if we were to embed this into the ocp um and so when it comes to the accelerator program for me

[3:35:17] Trustee Patrick: it would be back to staff saying if if this were to be rejigged rearranged where we're taking the

[3:35:23] Trustee Patrick: time to uh allow the time to happen and and

[3:35:27] Trustee Patrick: when i i just wanted to respond to trustee harris is

[3:35:31] Trustee Patrick: some advice i was given is sometimes you have it's better to go slow so you can go fast if we

[3:35:39] Trustee Patrick: take this time to get good scoping on this project and clear understanding of what we're doing we

[3:35:47] Trustee Patrick: We will go much faster than if we proceed without that clarity,

[3:35:52] Trustee Patrick: we're going to bump into back and forth on the sides and we may never

[3:35:59] Trustee Patrick: finish. So let's take that time, understand the,

[3:36:03] Trustee Patrick: the clarity on it. Then we go fast. Everyone's in line.

[3:36:08] Trustee Patrick: We're ready to go. But if we're, you know,

[3:36:10] Trustee Patrick: we don't want to end up with a push in a big rock up a hill.

[3:36:13] Trustee Patrick: Let's have everybody flow together and get it done. I think I agree with you.

[3:36:16] Trustee Patrick: I don't think we're going to find the community that's out of step saying, yeah, we've got to fix some of our housing challenges.

[3:36:21] Trustee Patrick: I haven't been to a meeting where people of every demographic recognize that our current path of building large single-family homes for one or two people to rattle around in isn't the path of the future.

[3:36:38] Trustee Patrick: So we're not going to be fighting our community on those conversations.

[3:36:42] Trustee Patrick: I think we're going to find this good agreement that we have to change.

[3:36:46] Trustee Patrick: The question is, what are those options?

[3:36:47] Trustee Patrick: And, you know, Main Island, they did it all at one table.

[3:36:51] Trustee Patrick: Here's the options.

[3:36:53] Trustee Patrick: You can do these things, and you're going to have to change the OCP this way.

[3:36:56] Trustee Patrick: So it's not necessarily going to be a huge amount of work.

[3:37:00] Trustee Patrick: It's already been done.

[3:37:03] Trustee Patrick: But to be respectful of First Nations to say, you know, give them that time,

[3:37:08] Trustee Patrick: start creating the data that's been there, build these things,

[3:37:12] Trustee Patrick: and I think we can be there quite quickly if we're all in agreement

[3:37:16] Trustee Patrick: that this is how we're going through the the OCP well

[3:37:23] Voice 8: you know the

[3:37:26] Voice 9: housing accelerator very

[3:37:28] Voice 9: important do we put the OCP on hold and maybe you know I definitely don't want to I don't think the

[3:37:33] Voice 9: idea of putting 530 on hold is appropriate the OCP project yes I do see that as appropriate if

[3:37:39] Voice 9: that's going to help us get this housing accelerator fund through and then we could

[3:37:43] Voice 9: modify the ocp to fit in line with whatever um zoning amendments we want to do would be very

[3:37:49] Voice 9: simple focus on the things that that zoning would um be contradictory contradicting the ocp to

[3:37:56] Voice 9: um you know as far as single family homes go and stopping yeah there's lots of people in our

[3:38:01] Voice 9: community that love living in their large single family home and all the power to them and there's

[3:38:06] Voice 9: more people that want to come here and move uh you know move here and build a single family home

[3:38:11] Voice 9: Great. I think that's a wonderful thing. 30% of the island is already protected.

[3:38:17] Voice 9: Clearly, we've got people working to ensure that the watersheds are remaining in good shape.

[3:38:25] Voice 9: As we've seen, we went on a tour and saw what's happening up there and realized how much land is already protected.

[3:38:31] Voice 9: 70% of the island is in a healthy forest to some degree.

[3:38:38] Voice 9: reef um i don't we need housing and it's not going to be blown it's not by doing zoning isn't moving

[3:38:46] Voice 9: too fast in my opinion um

[3:38:49] Voice 8: so i'll leave it at that i have

[3:38:55] Voice 11: a question for staff and um because

[3:38:58] Voice 11: i've heard trustee harris uh say a couple of times that uh while putting the ocp

[3:39:05] Voice 11: ganji village project on hold while we uh pursue the housing accelerator fund um but he's not in

[3:39:12] Voice 11: favor of uh pausing uh bylaw 530. so i'm just i'm thinking about staff capacity here and um i just

[3:39:23] Voice 11: want to know if from a staff perspective if work could be if it's feasible to continue some work

[3:39:31] Voice 11: on 5 30 if we pause the ocp and the ang's village and and and and go after the accelerator but just

[3:39:40] Voice 11: because i think that's important for to get an answer so that we've got some realistic

[3:39:44] Voice 11: expectations could

[3:39:46] Trustee Patrick: i clarify your request of them please is that not necessarily pausing the ocp but

[3:39:50] Trustee Patrick: aligning the ocp with the accelerator program process so that it's not pausing it it's building

[3:39:57] Trustee Patrick: building it into sure sure

[3:40:00] Voice 11: and and it actually to be a little bit more clear what I think I heard

[3:40:03] Voice 11: from planner Hutton was that uh it's not pausing the entire project but it was pausing the the

[3:40:10] Voice 11: planning uh portions of that we

[3:40:12] Voice 10: can't set values or goals like we can't set project goals and we

[3:40:16] Voice 10: can't set a project plan or a work plan until we have an idea of whether or not we have a viable

[3:40:22] Voice 10: I mean, the Housing Action Plan that we developed, the Housing Accelerator Fund, essentially defines the work plan for the OCP in a lot of ways.

[3:40:32] Voice 10: Some of that means future work, but a lot of it is enabled by the OCP process, and that includes any possible zoning changes.

[3:40:43] Voice 10: As I mentioned this morning, our OCP does not support changes in growth.

[3:40:51] about

[3:40:51] Voice 10: how we update that aspect of it moving forward.

[3:40:55] Voice 10: So, and we can continue to work at the relationship building

[3:41:00] Voice 10: and bringing people into the intergovernmental,

[3:41:03] Voice 10: the partners that we meet in the project

[3:41:05] Voice 10: and both the Housing Accelerator Day one,

[3:41:07] Voice 10: development in the US&E,

[3:41:08] Voice 10: through the Housing Action Plan over the summer

[3:41:12] Voice 10: and into the First Nations.

[3:41:14] Voice 10: That to me is a way that we can move forward

[3:41:16] Voice 10: and we can focus things like that.

[3:41:20] Voice 10: and i think specifically if um if the lpc is is willing to work at um taking a role in building

[3:41:28] with the first nation relationship and i think yeah we can we can uh we can keep moving forward

[3:41:33] on bylaw 530

[3:41:35] Voice 10: um and evolve so it's not to say we're not doing ocp because we have to do

[3:41:42] Voice 10: accelerated funding we can't do two different things at the same time let's say that um

[3:41:47] Voice 10: if we're going to redefine this OCP process we need to actually do some work on defining

[3:41:53] Voice 10: the process and that is if the accelerator fund is the process then that is the path

[3:41:58] Voice 10: where it's going to take a little longer but that's the pathway to go. If you want to just

[3:42:02] Voice 10: get going with it you have the making of a project charter that you can get up using today and

[3:42:09] Voice 10: Hunter Gardner can go in and work on a more detailed work plan and moving this forward.

[3:42:15] Voice 11: okay so thank you for that because i think that provides a little bit more clarity um

[3:42:23] Voice 11: just patrick well

[3:42:24] Trustee Patrick: the only thing i mean i think we have to we've got to go through what the

[3:42:29] Trustee Patrick: fundamental is the ocp process because i'm i am concerned i want to make sure we are going about

[3:42:35] Trustee Patrick: this in the appropriate steps and that we're not you know i i cannot approve the project charter

[3:42:42] Trustee Patrick: as it sits today because one it fundamentally doesn't deal with the um the fact that we've

[3:42:49] Trustee Patrick: got to look at the current rules that are creating housing that's out of step with climate

[3:42:54] Trustee Patrick: and community needs we have to look at all of it we can't just say we're going to look at new

[3:43:00] Trustee Patrick: housing and continue to grow this housing because there's an appetite the market shows there's an

[3:43:06] Trustee Patrick: appetite for that kind of housing um so we've we've got to make some corrections on the trajectory of

[3:43:16] Trustee Patrick: this community if we're going to be a healthy community that's going to have the young people

[3:43:20] Trustee Patrick: that were there last night stay um we have to make changes to how we're taking care of our

[3:43:30] Trustee Patrick: community and providing the options that fit the community that's that's here and and should be

[3:43:37] Trustee Patrick: be here

[3:43:37] Voice 8: um

[3:43:38] Trustee Patrick: so that's my only concern is if we say yeah go over and create an action plan and do that

[3:43:43] Trustee Patrick: like um now i'm i'd like to know that we're going through the process appropriately and and um

[3:43:51] Trustee Patrick: so looking at both both sides it's not just what kind of housing to build

[3:43:56] Trustee Patrick: but how does kind of housing to stop building they go together so

[3:44:01] Voice 11: what what i'd like to just

[3:44:03] Voice 11: get a sense of from from trustees because you know we need to give staff some direction here

[3:44:10] Voice 11: so uh what i'd like to kind of establish is is is there a general sense of consensus that

[3:44:17] Voice 11: we want staff to pursue the housing accelerator funding i'm

[3:44:22] Voice 20: now not sure i i'm

[3:44:24] Voice 8: you know clearly that's

[3:44:26] Voice 8: how can we not

[3:44:29] Voice 8: that doesn't you know

[3:44:31] Voice 11: because I mean

[3:44:33] Voice 11: I'm just trying to

[3:44:34] Trustee Patrick: look

[3:44:35] Voice 11: at what we might want to accomplish

[3:44:37] Voice 11: when we're talking

[3:44:38] Trustee Patrick: about funding that's

[3:44:39] Trustee Patrick: available I mean especially

[3:44:41] Voice 11: if we're going to work

[3:44:41] Voice 11: bylaw

[3:44:42] Trustee Patrick: 530 and accessory

[3:44:43] Trustee Patrick: dwelling units and getting that

[3:44:45] Trustee Patrick: in place so that our citizens

[3:44:47] Trustee Patrick: have a shot at the $40,000

[3:44:49] Trustee Patrick: forgivable loans that the

[3:44:51] Trustee Patrick: province is bringing

[3:44:52] Trustee Patrick: is serious money that's far in excess of the accelerator fund is going if if it's available

[3:44:59] Trustee Patrick: right um

[3:45:00] Trustee Patrick: so i don't want to have our citizens lose out on that opportunity to get 50 percent

[3:45:06] Trustee Patrick: funding for if they want to build those units um and

[3:45:12] Voice 11: i think i heard uh planner hutton say that

[3:45:16] Voice 11: that we that we could conceivably continue with 530 and do and and work towards the housing

[3:45:25] Voice 11: accelerator what we can't do is run a public engagement

[3:45:27] Voice 10: program right we

[3:45:31] Trustee Patrick: shouldn't run a

[3:45:32] Trustee Patrick: public engagement program through the summer okay because like the young people you saw here last

[3:45:36] Trustee Patrick: night they're working their tails off summer is not public engagement on this island

[3:45:41] Voice 11: yeah and

[3:45:42] Voice 11: ultimately what i'm what i'm hoping that we can do here today is is give some staff like agree

[3:45:48] Voice 11: enough that we can give staff some directions so that we do

[3:45:52] Voice 9: get this stuff going so i think

[3:45:54] Voice 9: actually that needs to be done first before the ocp like because that comes before the ocp right

[3:46:00] Voice 9: so that we've shipped us but the ocp on hold so at this point until we have some ideas about zoning

[3:46:06] Voice 9: and that or whatever we're going to do then then we say well this is what we need to focus on

[3:46:12] Voice 9: within the ocp to make sure that this doesn't contradict the ocp and we just amend those parts

[3:46:16] Voice 9: we need housing we don't need to do this come up with this big plan and talk to all these people

[3:46:21] Voice 9: we already know what we need we need housing if we don't have housing we're going to continue to

[3:46:26] Voice 9: watch our community system collapse it's not a new thing you know other people said last night

[3:46:31] Voice 9: we know this already we've known this for years so i'm all in i guess what i would say i'm in favor

[3:46:36] Voice 9: of um halting anything on the ocp at this point um getting 5 30 through and yes please um apply

[3:46:45] Voice 9: for the uh housing action plan let's work with the crd and see where we can um how we can make

[3:46:51] Voice 9: that work see i don't

[3:46:53] Voice 9: plan agarbo uh

[3:46:55] Voice 6: just a couple of points for consideration if that may help um

[3:46:59] Voice 6: In looking at the housing accelerator fund, it's very demanding.

[3:47:08] Voice 6: They need very specific data on identifying the housing supply.

[3:47:13] Voice 6: That's the key, is how much the jurisdiction can commit, what's the growth rate.

[3:47:17] Voice 6: All this information, except by timing, is just kind of bad for us,

[3:47:23] Voice 6: because in doing the complete community funding,

[3:47:27] Voice 6: that's when we get all the data working with a consultant

[3:47:30] Voice 6: to create those layers, all those information

[3:47:34] Voice 6: and have the consultant to analyze it,

[3:47:36] Voice 6: which is a critical step for our OCP process.

[3:47:40] Voice 6: So that's one aspect.

[3:47:42] Voice 6: And secondly, it's a legal requirement

[3:47:45] Voice 6: that we have to do public engagement.

[3:47:47] Voice 6: I hear you that maybe it's the intensity of the level.

[3:47:51] Voice 6: And the third thing I think may be helpful

[3:47:55] Voice 6: helpful is I think OCP is really in need of some changes because it's so outdated.

[3:48:05] Voice 6: And on top of that is OCP can actually, aside from file 530, OCP, because all the elements

[3:48:14] Voice 6: that we propose in the project charter are related to housing. So we need to fix it in

[3:48:19] Voice 6: order to even expand more options for housing, find appropriate location, appropriate design,

[3:48:24] Voice 6: and appropriate policies to guide through.

[3:48:27] Voice 6: So I would not recommend delaying the OCP process.

[3:48:32] Voice 6: The engagement, we identified on the project charter

[3:48:36] Voice 6: in the final page that shows 26,000

[3:48:40] Voice 6: for first nations engagement,

[3:48:42] Voice 6: 90,000 for consulting contract.

[3:48:45] Voice 6: We can launch that.

[3:48:46] Voice 6: I hear it.

[3:48:47] Voice 6: I think it's a good idea to find a consultant

[3:48:49] Voice 6: that has experience with first nations.

[3:48:51] Voice 6: And in fact, even honestly,

[3:48:53] Voice 6: student you have that experience so we can work with ministry and get some guidance and just have

[3:49:00] Voice 6: this engagement process that you know when we come back with the funds how do we engage

[3:49:06] Voice 6: positions and how do we engage the community as well so we don't have to make it to a separate

[3:49:13] Voice 6: process and and as trustee patrick mentioned and i get that you know it doesn't have to be

[3:49:19] Voice 6: So we do have the funding for the consulting and engagement process that I think we should start.

[3:49:28] Voice 6: When we say start, nothing can happen right away. We still have to go through the RFP, go through the selection process.

[3:49:35] Voice 6: It's still time consuming. So that's just a couple of thoughts.

[3:49:39] Voice 8: Trustee Patrick?

[3:49:41] Trustee Patrick: Like I said, I think getting some

[3:49:45] Trustee Patrick: help to develop the Indigenous relations approach,

[3:49:47] Voice 8: Keep it focused on that. Our CAO has

[3:49:54] Trustee Patrick: the right to direct award. I don't think there are very many consultants that have the appropriate experience of Indigenous relations developing, especially with the nations in our area, that there aren't very many.

[3:50:17] Trustee Patrick: and i think keeping that directed and helping us advising us how to set that up and to have the

[3:50:25] Trustee Patrick: that that uh communication with the nations to really try to move you know we've heard from them

[3:50:32] Trustee Patrick: many times of what they want to be involved they may just come back and say we don't have the

[3:50:37] Trustee Patrick: capacity they don't have it but we've got to really i think try and um i don't think combining

[3:50:43] Trustee Patrick: it all into one big engagement project right off the bat because one we're not ready to go out and

[3:50:48] Trustee Patrick: engage the community yet we don't even know the scope of the project so i think let's meaningfully

[3:50:53] Trustee Patrick: engage the first nation so we're directing to the first nations that engagement and give it because

[3:51:00] Trustee Patrick: that's what they've asked for

[3:51:01] Voice 10: so that's for the co-planning and governance so i just want to be

[3:51:05] Voice 10: really clear about this what's being suggested here is not to initiate engagement on projects

[3:51:11] Voice 10: is to initiate dialogue on projects in order to gain a better understanding of what First Nations are looking for.

[3:51:20] Voice 10: You can get, I think, without a scope, you can't be hiring someone for the duration of time.

[3:51:26] Voice 10: I didn't say the duration, I said set up

[3:51:28] Voice 10: an Indigenous relations approach.

[3:51:31] Voice 10: So with, well, and that's, that would be, that would be based on a scope.

[3:51:35] Voice 10: but what i'm not going to hear is the initiating dialogue again um leadership is primarily at the

[3:51:42] Voice 10: leadership level to advocate and seek opportunities for partnership to get buy-in for that prior to

[3:51:47] Voice 10: going out with staff and taking engagement but again if the relationship isn't there from the

[3:51:54] Voice 10: leadership and leadership perspective i don't have a very high level of optimism about our our

[3:52:00] Voice 10: ability to have this project seen at the level that it needs to be that that direction does need

[3:52:06] Voice 10: to come from from their leadership as well so it's sort of just a but i think this the relationship

[3:52:11] Voice 10: here is you know it's sincere but this

[3:52:13] Trustee Patrick: isn't this isn't just about tim go out there and meet with a

[3:52:16] Trustee Patrick: bunch of nations and everything will be fine and we go on um it's also how we embed first nations

[3:52:23] Trustee Patrick: into this project how we even go about engaging with our community about the the rights and time

[3:52:28] Trustee Patrick: but what do the nations want us to tell

[3:52:30] Trustee Patrick: the people of Salt Spring about them?

[3:52:36] Trustee Patrick: I see, we have an obligation to,

[3:52:39] Trustee Patrick: we're trying to lift the whole community

[3:52:41] Trustee Patrick: along with the reconciliation ride on this project.

[3:52:46] Trustee Patrick: And so I just think dedicating the beginning of it to true,

[3:52:50] Trustee Patrick: and it's not just the Cowichan,

[3:52:52] Trustee Patrick: this is why LIAX is also,

[3:52:54] Trustee Patrick: they wanna be the problem identification phase.

[3:52:57] Trustee Patrick: that's project definition so if we go in there with a project defined we're already being less

[3:53:04] Trustee Patrick: than authentic so

[3:53:06] Voice 10: what i am suggesting is not the recommendation in the report but that that

[3:53:11] Voice 10: recommendation would adapt to not only to exclude the project charter if you want to go for the

[3:53:15] Voice 10: health accelerator fund and bring forward this whole basically your work plan this is this is

[3:53:22] Voice 10: the next six months at least of work that we're going to do we're going to pursue the housing

[3:53:27] Voice 10: accelerator funding ocp in ganges with time we're doing the housing action plan how did that

[3:53:32] Voice 10: involve persuasion um all of these things um discussed and say because i think they are as

[3:53:39] Voice 10: you mentioned they're connected so the conversation needs to be a bit more holistic so that's where

[3:53:44] Voice 10: that the dialogue and i think especially from the lcd people like it's generally you know

[3:53:49] Voice 10: I think things are connected and this will be to engage it at that,

[3:53:53] Voice 10: that perspective, that vision, the visionary perspective.

[3:53:57] Voice 10: Maybe helpful in moving this along.

[3:54:00] Voice 10: If nothing else, just good, good relationship building for future engagement.

[3:54:06] Voice 10: And that is,

[3:54:06] Voice 10: that is something you can certainly see coaching and support for ad hoc to

[3:54:11] Voice 10: advance these projects forward.

[3:54:15] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:54:16] Voice 9: It's interesting. It's really interesting what you're saying.

[3:54:19] Voice 9: so because i'm just trying to think so you know when you really boil it down first nations

[3:54:25] Voice 9: engagement like no fancy topic what are we saying here we're gonna are we asking is it okay if we

[3:54:32] Voice 9: create housing for our workforce is that what we're saying like what and i'm not trying to

[3:54:38] Voice 9: be derogatory i'm just wanting to be serious what what are we engaging with them on and are we being

[3:54:44] Voice 9: have we been um genuine i believe not no i agree um for a hell of a long time and what how could

[3:54:51] Voice 9: we be more genuine it's you know is it do we stop um you know because we don't ask them can we buy

[3:54:59] Voice 9: up conservancy land and put covenants on it and have nothing done to it in the future we seem to

[3:55:03] Voice 9: be okay going ahead and doing that without talking to them how about we start um buying land if we're

[3:55:09] Voice 9: going to conserve anything um you know urge the conservancy to buy land um to give back to the

[3:55:16] Voice 9: first nations you know something simple like that or how about um any fee simple land owned by first

[3:55:24] Voice 9: nations is is exempt from from any uh island stress regulations like that's real you know all

[3:55:34] Voice 9: this other stuff and talking it's like to me it just seems so disingenuous i don't even know where

[3:55:39] Voice 9: to begin but so you know and i'm not giving any i'm not aiming this at anybody here directly i'm

[3:55:44] Voice 9: just you know speaking about this passionately um you know and again so my first statement

[3:55:50] Voice 9: what are we saying here what we're saying let's in i want to engage them for this um

[3:55:56] Voice 9: you know what we're talking about right now it's very

[3:56:01] Voice 11: troubling i think my perspective um is that

[3:56:05] Voice 11: one of the things um organizations like ours hasn't done a good job of thus far is uh is asking

[3:56:14] Voice 11: how do you want to be engaged um how how do you want to work together and so what i think i'm

[3:56:22] Voice 11: hearing from planner hutton is that is that that sort of more fundamental um stuff is is where we

[3:56:30] Voice 11: need to start before we get into the nuts and bolts of here's our here's our project uh that

[3:56:36] Voice 11: we're thinking on and and you know and and so and i think what i'm hearing is going in the right

[3:56:44] Voice 11: direction of getting more to the more fundamental questions of like how do you want to how do you

[3:56:50] Voice 11: want to work together and how can what can we do to build our relationship so that feels more

[3:56:57] Voice 11: respectful for for you and and and that we can work together in a more positive way so that's

[3:57:05] Voice 11: you know that that's definitely a lot different than saying here's a project charter what do you

[3:57:11] Voice 11: think so i mean that that's that's what i i feel like i'm hearing and i certainly support that

[3:57:18] Voice 11: that approach because i think those fundamentals is where we really need to start on building

[3:57:22] Voice 11: creating a new relationship in a new era well if i may uh one way

[3:57:27] Voice 9: possibly i'm just you know

[3:57:29] Voice 9: thinking out loud um what about reaching out to um local first nations who own fee simple land

[3:57:39] Voice 9: here on salt spring and asking them some questions be it through some kind of a form or you know

[3:57:47] Voice 9: asking what what would they like to see like maybe something along

[3:57:52] Voice 11: those lines i don't know

[3:57:52] Voice 11: where would we go with that no and i i i don't disagree i think that uh i don't think i don't

[3:57:59] Voice 11: think we want to exclude anyone in in and maybe not even all

[3:58:02] Voice 9: landowners but just people who live

[3:58:04] Voice 9: here sure local indigenous

[3:58:07] Voice 10: i guess i i guess i'm kind of dancing around it but when i when we talk

[3:58:11] Voice 10: about indigenous members and talk about first nations governments the difference is in the

[3:58:18] Voice 10: the agency, the government-to-government relationship.

[3:58:21] Voice 10: So this is jurisdictional and claims-based.

[3:58:23] Voice 10: It's our duty to consult.

[3:58:26] Voice 10: Inasmuch as everything is genuine about it,

[3:58:28] Voice 10: our need to consult with First Nations

[3:58:31] Voice 10: and standards are getting higher and legislation is changing,

[3:58:34] Voice 10: our need to engage with First Nations governments

[3:58:36] Voice 10: is in the interest of the Islands Trust

[3:58:39] Voice 10: to ensure that this OCP,

[3:58:41] Voice 10: and they write a really great plan,

[3:58:43] Voice 10: but we did recently have one come back from the Middle East

[3:58:46] Voice 10: He said, didn't do a good enough job here

[3:58:48] Voice 10: because he didn't do all the things.

[3:58:50] Voice 10: So this is setting us up for success

[3:58:53] Voice 10: with this OCP, however it plays out.

[3:58:55] Voice 10: The degree to which we engage

[3:58:57] Voice 10: and we need to engage with First Nations governments

[3:59:01] Voice 10: has an impact on our ability to move this plan forward quickly.

[3:59:05] Voice 10: First Nation people living on the earth,

[3:59:07] Voice 10: as well as First Nation members

[3:59:10] Voice 10: and the cultural heritage and all that stuff

[3:59:14] Voice 10: is very important.

[3:59:15] Voice 10: And it's a big part of the identity of Salt Spring that goes into sort of the body of

[3:59:21] Voice 10: this plan.

[3:59:22] Voice 10: But the procedures that we follow and the work that we do at Engaging Government is

[3:59:27] Voice 10: imperative to getting this by-law ultimately adopted.

[3:59:31] Voice 9: We can, you know, what about engaging the government level of First Nations and just

[3:59:37] Voice 9: stating, well, we're reaching out to the local First Nations that live on Salt Spring

[3:59:46] Voice 9: and um and you know do we even have a list of how many there are who they are let's have a

[3:59:53] Voice 9: we can say well this is what we're doing we don't have to you know you could give

[3:59:57] Voice 9: them the specifics but we know that the first nations

[4:00:00] Voice 9: band offices have stacks this tall of things coming from governmental organizations they're

[4:00:04] Voice 9: like you know come on we're going to actually read all this stuff so we send it out say this

[4:00:09] Voice 9: is what we're doing and then we can have a record of doing that with the local indigenous and that

[4:00:13] Voice 9: clearly that's going to carry some weight as far as some engagement goes

[4:00:17] Voice 8: just about it can i just

[4:00:21] Trustee Patrick: i want to move things on i think i think we're agreeing there's a there's a step of first

[4:00:25] Trustee Patrick: First Nations, we can talk more about what that, or not step, I'm sorry, but a meaningful involvement of, can we talk about the focusing of our OCP review for a moment of what we're trying to do?

[4:00:41] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[4:00:41] Voice 9: this would be in the OCP, right?

[4:00:43] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, what is this focus? This is a focused update of the OCP. So what are we focusing on?

[4:00:49] Trustee Patrick: on

[4:00:50] Voice 11: yeah um and and i i i'm going to pause you for a moment because i think we're all in agreement

[4:00:56] Voice 11: that the the first nations you know the reconciliation action that we need to take

[4:01:02] Voice 11: us at ltc is multi-pronged and that we all and

[4:01:06] Trustee Patrick: we all be inventing it

[4:01:06] Voice 11: and then we all agree that

[4:01:08] Voice 11: that's important so if we take that as a given then back to laura we'll

[4:01:12] Trustee Patrick: come back we'll come

[4:01:13] Trustee Patrick: back to what that sounds like exactly i have some words that um so i had sort of

[4:01:20] Voice 8: three kind of focus

[4:01:23] Voice 8: points um that

[4:01:27] Trustee Patrick: i had uh one was i said was about updating and renewing our community values and

[4:01:33] Trustee Patrick: policies for a complete and resilient island community that embraces reconciliation and with

[4:01:41] Trustee Patrick: with First Nations and is more adaptive

[4:01:43] Trustee Patrick: to climate and demographic change.

[4:01:45] Trustee Patrick: So that's just about, are we wanting to be the,

[4:01:48] Trustee Patrick: what is that?

[4:01:49] Trustee Patrick: That's sort of a visionary, the island.

[4:01:50] Trustee Patrick: It's updating our policies to reflect,

[4:01:52] Trustee Patrick: because right now our policies are hopefully inadequate

[4:01:55] Trustee Patrick: for both climate adaptation

[4:02:02] Trustee Patrick: and First Nations reconciliation.

[4:02:06] Trustee Patrick: So it's really, what is,

[4:02:08] Trustee Patrick: there's this concept of complete community

[4:02:10] Trustee Patrick: that we're going to be,

[4:02:11] Trustee Patrick: we've said,

[4:02:12] Trustee Patrick: go try to get the funds for it.

[4:02:14] Trustee Patrick: We probably have a better chance

[4:02:15] Trustee Patrick: of the funds

[4:02:16] Trustee Patrick: for the community.

[4:02:17] Voice 10: I just want to clarify

[4:02:19] Voice 10: that the community fund

[4:02:21] Voice 10: enables us to identify

[4:02:23] Voice 10: data gaps

[4:02:24] Voice 10: that we don't have

[4:02:26] Voice 10: in order to be better

[4:02:27] Voice 10: at managing planning.

[4:02:29] Voice 10: The housing accelerator fund

[4:02:30] Voice 10: is a target

[4:02:32] Voice 10: and apply that

[4:02:33] Voice 10: to our planning

[4:02:34] Voice 10: as a lens

[4:02:35] Voice 10: that we have this rate

[4:02:37] Voice 10: that there's this target

[4:02:38] Voice 10: that we're trying to reach.

[4:02:42] Voice 10: that we're developing our OCP in order to drive toward that target, to take that data

[4:02:48] Voice 10: gathering process that we've gone through the summer doing, apply it to the OCP redevelopment

[4:02:54] Voice 10: using the funding.

[4:02:55] Voice 10: So that is, if you heat up out of an accelerated funding, you can, and this was my point this

[4:03:01] Voice 10: morning is that we've got a not super big on growth OCP right now and we can update it to allow

[4:03:09] Voice 10: some more growth based on this minor language that we have to improve housing options especially

[4:03:18] Voice 10: given that we're in a housing crisis or you can take it back to a blue sky process of saying

[4:03:24] Voice 10: we're rewriting the OCP the housing accelerator fund money that we got

[4:03:28] Voice 10: body and this is a this is not a short process it's not a smaller process um and it's it's a

[4:03:35] Voice 10: well-funded process so that is that is the difference i think that you're making here

[4:03:39] Voice 10: the decision that needs to be made is your do you want to proceed um just to you know put a few

[4:03:47] Voice 10: hammer and nails in the thing and move forward um or do you want to uh rewrite this to allow for

[4:03:53] Voice 10: uh to deeply study it and have a really great point of your vision um that will it will guide

[4:03:59] Voice 10: uh salt spring in the future so either way you're moving forward um but there's definitely two

[4:04:04] Voice 10: different scales of projects like

[4:04:08] Voice 8: the first well

[4:04:10] Trustee Patrick: we already directed you to write an action plan

[4:04:12] Trustee Patrick: three years we only don't have one that's that's the frustration here um that was what what the

[4:04:19] Trustee Patrick: housing action program was and

[4:04:21] Voice 10: there is there is actually a lot and we

[4:04:23] Trustee Patrick: don't have an action plan

[4:04:25] Trustee Patrick: so that's what's very frustrating for me

[4:04:27] Voice 9: so the action plan comes first right

[4:04:29] Voice 9: correct we

[4:04:30] Voice 8: already asked for it three years ago so

[4:04:34] Voice 11: um it occurs to me that uh

[4:04:39] Voice 11: you know we need to we need to come to some some form of decision here today to give staff some

[4:04:46] Voice 11: direction um i'm wondering if we want

[4:04:51] Voice 8: to take uh 10 minutes and and come back does that sound good

[4:05:01] Voice 8: i'm fine was that yeah should

[4:05:02] Voice 11: we call 10 minutes let's do 10 minute recess and let's come back at

[4:05:07] Voice 11: 1

[4:05:08] Voice 8: 55. i

[4:16:02] Voice 12: still want to ask that i

[4:16:04] Trustee Patrick: mean i still see the activities of the housing accelerator as

[4:16:11] Trustee Patrick: as embedded in the OCP at this time?

[4:16:15] Trustee Patrick: Because I'm looking at the activities

[4:16:17] Trustee Patrick: that still need to be done.

[4:16:18] Trustee Patrick: Do we need to get some help and go out there

[4:16:21] Trustee Patrick: and set up an Indigenous relations program

[4:16:22] Trustee Patrick: as part of that program?

[4:16:24] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[4:16:24] Trustee Patrick: Do we need to do our population growth

[4:16:30] Trustee Patrick: and understand all the statistics and data

[4:16:33] Trustee Patrick: and everything that's been going on here?

[4:16:35] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[4:16:37] Trustee Patrick: Are you going to take the community completeness

[4:16:41] Trustee Patrick: grant funding that we're doing yes um are we going to identify where growth should go

[4:16:51] Trustee Patrick: is that part of the housing accelerator or can go no it could

[4:16:57] Voice 10: be it could be one of the actions

[4:16:58] Voice 10: one of them is the uh identifying uh investing up on infrastructure um where growth can go based on

[4:17:08] Voice 10: infrastructure servicing so uh assessing and um

[4:17:13] Voice 8: yeah i is remodeling your infrastructure

[4:17:16] Voice 8: so we could do like payment

[4:17:19] Trustee Patrick: boundaries within that form so i still see most of these activities are

[4:17:29] Trustee Patrick: They're checking off of what is the OCP LEB amendment process.

[4:17:33] Trustee Patrick: So I still see that as an opportunity to shape the OCP project's early activities, align with the application process,

[4:17:50] Voice 8: so that we're

[4:17:54] Trustee Patrick: not losing ground.

[4:17:56] Trustee Patrick: We're doing work that needs to be done with or without success of the application.

[4:18:04] Trustee Patrick: um that's really what i see is the opportunity to do is to just align the accelerator with the

[4:18:10] Trustee Patrick: early stages of the ocp project and then based on success i mean then that starts to shape

[4:18:19] Trustee Patrick: what we're narrowing the narrowing the focus of what we're going to be bringing to the community

[4:18:24] Trustee Patrick: for the ocp review or if we're not successful with the grant then we can revisit and make the

[4:18:30] Trustee Patrick: decision as to broadening or narrowing further or what so i don't see any lost ground by saying

[4:18:36] Trustee Patrick: let's let's let's bring the two together for the first stages of the ocp project and then put a

[4:18:45] Trustee Patrick: decision point in there with the window housing accelerator we know where we don't know but we

[4:18:51] Trustee Patrick: build it so that we're still moving through the ocp process trustee

[4:18:57] Voice 9: harris so you know the issues

[4:19:00] Voice 9: issues and opportunities here um in development or delete outdated policies is it related to housing

[4:19:06] Voice 9: and to promote or support more housing options so it sounds great um you know for various

[4:19:11] Voice 9: kind of situations including but not limited to um the accessory dwellings and so on um

[4:19:19] Voice 9: review the policies related to meeting housing needs um clearly that doesn't need to be as long

[4:19:25] Voice 9: drawn out process because we basically you know we know what what we need here looking for

[4:19:32] Voice 9: um the development of policies um is informed by existing projects um the protection of coastal

[4:19:38] Voice 9: douglas for projects like that to me that's something that can be taken right out of there

[4:19:42] Voice 9: that isn't helping us in any way shape or form we already have protections in place that's a bunch of

[4:19:48] Voice 9: you know the added whatever you want to call it um to the equation that doesn't need to be there

[4:19:55] Voice 9: there. I think I may get support from a fellow trustee on that. You know, we've had all this

[4:20:04] Voice 9: focus on CDF and much of it is very, very contentious, misleading, from all kinds of

[4:20:13] Voice 9: people and with from ourselves. And, you know, why do we need it? No, I say no, just get

[4:20:21] Voice 9: that out of there if going on we already have protection so you know i'll leave it at that

[4:20:28] Voice 9: just here the

[4:20:31] Trustee Patrick: part i agree with you about is that that project had evolved to

[4:20:39] Trustee Patrick: wildfire hazard risk reduction so that's the words that should be talked about at this point

[4:20:45] Trustee Patrick: it's the coastal douglas fir had kind of come to the wildfire hazard risk reduction as being

[4:20:50] Trustee Patrick: the area of yeah of

[4:20:53] Trustee Patrick: focus for this ocp so

[4:20:56] Voice 9: with that i would like to add um yes wildfire risk

[4:21:01] Voice 9: reduction on all public forest land and with no mention of what the private landowner should or

[4:21:09] Voice 9: shouldn't be doing at this point other than in a educational way and hopefully for um you know

[4:21:16] Voice 9: regulatory um you know aspects to private land or new dpas we're just causing more

[4:21:23] Voice 9: you know hurdles for workforce ownership housing projects to get underway and

[4:21:29] Voice 9: i think that would be a step in the right direction no

[4:21:37] Trustee Patrick: i mean that's i mean the point

[4:21:38] Trustee Patrick: of that was now i think we're getting diverted but um it's also about not adding to the risks

[4:21:45] Trustee Patrick: that already exist so that was you know so that's part of the where should housing go

[4:21:49] Trustee Patrick: i disagree

[4:21:50] Trustee Patrick: um that well insurance is going to answer that question where climate change is

[4:21:55] Trustee Patrick: changing that that'll

[4:21:57] Voice 11: be up to the homeowner that's not up to us i don't have to do with us

[4:22:00] Voice 11: i'd just like to take a moment though and uh and and uh ask for some uh staff uh

[4:22:07] Voice 11: a reflection on um some of what uh trustee patrick was going through and

[4:22:15] Voice 11: and just some commentary some thoughts on you know this is this is on the ocp and this is also

[4:22:22] Voice 11: the work we need to do for the housing accelerator i

[4:22:25] Voice 10: i appreciate that approach of um

[4:22:29] Voice 10: you know it's an integrated approach um i don't think we're that far off my my reservation is i

[4:22:35] Voice 10: don't want to be in a situation of promising what um this project looks like with the housing

[4:22:42] Voice 10: accelerator funding project and then coming back in the fall if we don't get it and say we're going

[4:22:47] Voice 10: to take all of them i wouldn't want to go to first nations with that and i wouldn't want the community

[4:22:51] Voice 10: the scope of the project because that's going to make us really make it really hard if we're

[4:22:55] Voice 10: dealing with a much smaller budget and much smaller to go forward so i would suggest that we

[4:23:01] Voice 10: we, you know, what I kind of feel like we have here at the beginning part, you know,

[4:23:08] Voice 10: we need to, we will need to assess that in the fall, like what, what does the next step

[4:23:12] Voice 10: look like with funding or without it to, to advance.

[4:23:17] Voice 10: So it's kind of belts and suspenders, but it's just to say that I, I would be reluctant

[4:23:22] Voice 10: to come back with a detailed work plan based on a grant application.

[4:23:27] Voice 10: I'd like to see that conferred and awarded with some certainty of what we're working

[4:23:32] Voice 10: with before we start promising hours and scope and hiring professionals and all, so that's

[4:23:39] Voice 10: it.

[4:23:41] Voice 10: Well,

[4:23:41] Trustee Patrick: I agree with you completely there, Chris, and I don't want to see you move off in that

[4:23:45] Trustee Patrick: direction either.

[4:23:46] Trustee Patrick: That's why I think developing a work plan and outlining all that is going to be fundamental

[4:23:50] Trustee Patrick: to either direction that we go.

[4:23:52] Trustee Patrick: So I would like to see far more detail, more in line with what we're seeing from like Saanich and others for that work plan.

[4:24:01] Trustee Patrick: That this project charter is not enough detail for my comfort any longer.

[4:24:09] Trustee Patrick: There's nothing there for what the project really is.

[4:24:14] Voice 8: in in any

[4:24:15] Voice 10: at a product this size it's completely reasonable to request a work plan and have an

[4:24:21] Voice 10: idea of what the breakdown is going to be um it was not a three-month project where uh one one

[4:24:26] Voice 10: staff person is going to be assigned and allocated to it it's a it's multiple bodies on it and it's

[4:24:31] Voice 10: so it is there it is um a lot to explain and so it is something that um certainly have um

[4:24:39] Voice 10: strong oversight of so i think it's completely reasonable to um request a work plan

[4:24:44] Voice 10: once we have the sort of general direction set um and that again informed by uh the next step

[4:24:49] Voice 10: if you want to go housing you know depending on what you decide to do with the housing accelerator

[4:24:54] Voice 10: fund well

[4:24:57] Voice 8: so i guess that's a big question do we go for the health and accelerator fund or not

[4:25:01] Voice 8: right and it's something we need to decide

[4:25:06] Voice 11: i think today today that's that's my impression i mean

[4:25:10] Voice 11: the deadlines or the opening is coming up in june we don't want to get to we don't want to get to

[4:25:17] Voice 11: the middle of june to our next meeting and then make that determination i just don't think that's

[4:25:22] Voice 11: realistic

[4:25:23] Trustee Patrick: but um no i'm i would say if we do it in alignment with the ocp that's going to address

[4:25:34] Trustee Patrick: the all the early stages that we need to do anyway and may help focus the later stages

[4:25:39] Trustee Patrick: then absolutely. I still feel strongly and I'm going to put a motion on the floor about asking you to fund getting some experienced professional advisors in here for First Nations.

[4:25:50] Trustee Patrick: I appreciate the advice we're getting, but I'm also getting letters from First Nations and we're seeing things.

[4:25:55] Trustee Patrick: So we're not making the progress that we need and we don't have the expertise.

[4:26:00] Trustee Patrick: I was stressed. I've had a vacant position for two years.

[4:26:06] Trustee Patrick: um but

[4:26:07] Voice 8: you have a suggested resolution if you want to proceed with that

[4:26:11] Voice 8: because i think that all to me starts to align better if we do

[4:26:23] Trustee Patrick: the first nations do the early

[4:26:25] Trustee Patrick: stages in in under the housing accelerator umbrella then

[4:26:32] Voice 8: we're we're moving in the right

[4:26:33] Voice 8: direction yeah i think also ultimately but what we need to just be

[4:26:43] Voice 11: clear on or that what staff needs

[4:26:45] Voice 11: us to be clear on is is you know their their actual capacity and and resourcing and that we're

[4:26:52] Voice 11: not acts asking for things that they can't accomplish uh you know in the time frame that

[4:26:59] Voice 11: we're hoping

[4:26:59] Voice 9: for and so we did hear from chris hutton thank you chair peterson um saying that

[4:27:05] Voice 9: possibly it it seems you know it's reasonable to think that we can't pull this off as far as

[4:27:13] Voice 9: the housing accelerator fund goes it's not gonna all right the chances of having it come through

[4:27:20] Voice 9: for us or um well i

[4:27:22] Voice 20: don't know yeah that's

[4:27:24] Voice 20: not the direction we want

[4:27:24] Voice 10: to go i mean of course

[4:27:25] Voice 10: i think one of the first things we need to do is come back with a actually a project scope for um

[4:27:31] in that plan

[4:27:32] Voice 10: and what that will consist of and identifying the resource and how we have

[4:27:36] Voice 10: the housing action plan that is requisite for this application.

[4:27:40] Voice 10: So

[4:27:40] Voice 9: which seven projects do we have?

[4:27:41] Voice 9: Pardon me?

[4:27:42] Voice 10: Which, there

[4:27:43] Voice 9: needs to be seven projects.

[4:27:44] Voice 10: Which seven projects are we going to be saying?

[4:27:46] Voice 10: Well we, that is what the plan needs to be developed based on, right?

[4:27:51] Voice 10: And we have a lot of resources in terms of what the Housing Action Program Task Force

[4:27:56] Voice 10: had previously done in their recommendations.

[4:28:00] Voice 10: We have the Salt Springs Solutions report, we have a lot of, and we've actually actually

[4:28:07] Voice 10: went to a workshop earlier this week, talking about, you know, whether to set up a, you

[4:28:13] Voice 10: know, you know, Couch and Valley is currently looking at setting up a home authority corporation

[4:28:17] Voice 10: or, or looking for nonprofits, and they're trying to balance the pros and cons of those

[4:28:22] Voice 10: things.

[4:28:22] Voice 10: So

[4:28:22] Voice 10: does there not need to be seven shovel ready types of projects?

[4:28:26] Voice 10: This is not a construction-based grant.

[4:28:29] Voice 10: It was a policy-based grant application

[4:28:31] Voice 10: to basically create opportunities for growth.

[4:28:37] Voice 10: Our

[4:28:38] Trustee Patrick: success rate for CMHC grants on the island

[4:28:41] Trustee Patrick: have not been good.

[4:28:42] Trustee Patrick: The Southern Gulf Island Corps

[4:28:43] Trustee Patrick: in partnership last year,

[4:28:46] Trustee Patrick: they got the $75,000 award

[4:28:48] Trustee Patrick: to prepare a proposal

[4:28:50] Trustee Patrick: for the housing challenge fund

[4:28:53] Trustee Patrick: or whatever it was.

[4:28:55] Trustee Patrick: incredible proposal they put forward didn't get it i know salt spring solutions put the proposal

[4:29:01] Trustee Patrick: forward for the water uh water solutions lab that they tried to get for ganges and didn't get it

[4:29:08] Trustee Patrick: so we haven't had success so i think we have a hard time appealing to um ottawa this is a federal

[4:29:17] Trustee Patrick: grant to understand the challenges of of the island because the solid proposals have not been

[4:29:23] Trustee Patrick: been successful so that's why i really want to see this scripted to be moving us

[4:29:28] Trustee Patrick: forward so that we're doing the work we need to want to do anyway so we

[4:29:35] Voice 8: need to outweigh our time

[4:29:40] Voice 8: limitations you know and cost versus what

[4:29:46] Voice 9: are we missing out on if we're spending the time

[4:29:48] Voice 9: I'm doing the accelerator fund.

[4:29:50] Voice 9: I understand.

[4:29:51] Voice 9: Yeah,

[4:29:51] Voice 11: and I think what I heard

[4:29:54] Voice 11: Planner Hutton saying,

[4:29:56] Voice 11: you know, in response to trust.

[4:30:00] Voice 11: Steve Patrick's looking at that that list of stuff that those those can be aligned and that that work

[4:30:05] Voice 11: can be done in conjunction so so that we're not spending you know a lot of time and energy just

[4:30:14] Voice 11: only focusing on the accelerator at the expense of the other stuff it can be done in a complementary

[4:30:19] Voice 11: fashion that's what we're looking for right

[4:30:23] Voice 8: yeah there's the fire smart community grant I think

[4:30:26] Voice 8: october is the deadline on that

[4:30:28] Trustee Patrick: one and i think the crd was very supportive of jonathan reimer

[4:30:34] Trustee Patrick: from mr

[4:30:34] Voice 10: mr chair is the is the virus something wildfire data or what would we mean they already

[4:30:40] Trustee Patrick: have the wild they just updated all that i think this is the the potential i know

[4:30:45] Trustee Patrick: trustee harris

[4:30:46] Trustee Patrick: doesn't like the word but to look at the development permit areas and developing that

[4:30:51] Trustee Patrick: for the wildfire hazard so to take all the mapping that the crd just did it's

[4:30:56] Voice 9: environmental activism

[4:30:57] Voice 9: activism disguised and

[4:30:58] Voice 9: something good no

[4:30:59] Trustee Patrick: this is this is this is done by diamond uh consultants

[4:31:03] Trustee Patrick: this was done by the crd um it's

[4:31:06] Voice 11: not going to help us with to get in our housing i just want to i

[4:31:08] Voice 11: just want to just in the interest of focus today um i'm sorry that that that that that granting

[4:31:16] Voice 11: opportunity did you say october is that i think it was october so so rather than let rather than

[4:31:22] Voice 11: because that's a while away so other stuff is imminent so let's let's not focus on that at

[4:31:28] Voice 11: this time um let's focus on on what staff

[4:31:33] Trustee Patrick: don't like surprises so well

[4:31:34] Voice 11: no that's fine which

[4:31:36] Voice 11: i hear what you're saying but but if we want to get on the accelerator today is the day right so

[4:31:42] Voice 11: um let's not get into the weeds on something that's in the future but

[4:31:47] Voice 9: i mean if the ocp is

[4:31:48] Voice 9: in line if the ocp amendments or the project is in

[4:31:51] Voice 9: line with just the housing portion then you know

[4:31:55] Voice 9: can we not push for the accelerator yeah

[4:31:59] Voice 11: and i think i think that i'm i'm hearing from staff

[4:32:02] Voice 11: that we can we can do the the the accelerator uh application and and as it as a necessity for that

[4:32:12] Voice 11: will be some of this housing stuff that we're planning to do anyway and and the stuff that's

[4:32:18] Voice 11: in the ocp can be some of this stuff can be done in conjunction so i i believe that i'm hearing

[4:32:25] Voice 11: some consensus at the table that that's the direction we want to go and if i'm wrong please

[4:32:30] Voice 11: let me

[4:32:31] Trustee Patrick: know i know i think you're correct i'm just wondering which what direction so there's

[4:32:35] Trustee Patrick: the accelerator is a direction we could say and to align the early stages of the ocp project or

[4:32:44] Trustee Patrick: whatever um do you need direction if we want to consider the um village containers

[4:32:51] Voice 8: um as part of

[4:32:55] Voice 8: that the um the village containment boundaries really have products it is a policy tool it's

[4:33:05] Voice 10: something that people really fixate on but it is um another line on a map in the ocp and the rules

[4:33:11] Voice 10: behind it the policy behind it are what formulate that that is all policy development and it's all

[4:33:18] Voice 10: really if if we're studying uh where growth can go it's you know it's moving towards that

[4:33:25] Voice 10: but i don't think that it needs to necessarily be explicitly stated especially at this stage

[4:33:31] Voice 10: that we want to do a a growth boundary imposing um plan it's growth management is looking at

[4:33:40] Voice 10: at where can growth go?

[4:33:42] Voice 10: Sometimes it doesn't mean the growth boundary, right?

[4:33:44] Voice 10: No, I

[4:33:44] Trustee Patrick: know, to me, they go hand in hand, they go together.

[4:33:47] Trustee Patrick: We look at all, but with the containment,

[4:33:49] Trustee Patrick: the only reason for any urgency, word,

[4:33:56] Trustee Patrick: with considering containment is the opportunity

[4:34:00] Trustee Patrick: to push the conversations with the CRD

[4:34:03] Trustee Patrick: and North Salisbury and the others

[4:34:04] Trustee Patrick: to start talking about the service side of that issue.

[4:34:08] Trustee Patrick: there's the planning side

[4:34:10] Trustee Patrick: the service side is going to need a lot

[4:34:13] Trustee Patrick: of push

[4:34:16] Trustee Patrick: to have those things happen

[4:34:18] Voice 10: well the pushing is also

[4:34:20] Voice 10: going along with

[4:34:21] Voice 10: as I mentioned CRD is doing their way

[4:34:24] Voice 10: water map modeling

[4:34:26] Voice 10: is doing water modeling

[4:34:28] Voice 10: so our need right

[4:34:31] Voice 10: now is to be the coordinating body

[4:34:33] Voice 10: between all of the service providers

[4:34:35] Voice 10: and integrating

[4:34:36] Voice 10: the lineup

[4:34:38] Voice 10: our our not only our procedures but our policies and regulations as well

[4:34:43] Voice 10: each other's expectations we're not sending people who want to happen together

[4:34:51] Trustee Patrick: if that's going to happen so that's why i'm just trying to figure out where do you need direction

[4:34:55] Trustee Patrick: versus what's going where you're already headed that's what i'm just trying to clarify i think

[4:35:01] Voice 10: I think, I think what we need direction is to bring back a process or pursuing the

[4:35:08] Voice 8: accelerator fund in coordination

[4:35:14] Voice 10: with the OCP.

[4:35:16] Voice 10: and then, among other things, it's not the only project.

[4:35:22] Voice 10: So that's what we need direction to come back with.

[4:35:25] Voice 10: We need to come back with a bit of a work plan on how to get to the fall, to get to

[4:35:32] Voice 10: starting the moving forward, pursuing the housing accelerator on Elston, pursuing doing

[4:35:40] Voice 8: early works on the OCP project, not including project that we have.

[4:35:49] Voice 8: so

[4:35:49] Trustee Patrick: we need a motion there um what and then we need a motion on asking you

[4:35:55] Trustee Patrick: to do the first nations you said you had a suggested thing

[4:36:02] Voice 10: it's really just that the salt spring island with the customer you request staff developing

[4:36:05] Voice 10: coordination to qualify for business relations professional um to support early relationship

[4:36:12] Voice 10: development work uh to present healthy some projects and have an accelerated fund opportunity

[4:36:16] Voice 10: and the staff the staff and leader leader level but

[4:36:21] Trustee Patrick: do we need to allocate

[4:36:22] Voice 8: funding for that

[4:36:22] Voice 8: of

[4:36:23] Voice 10: the program yes using

[4:36:25] Voice 8: you know funding i guess right so so it should be that we

[4:36:28] Voice 8: allocate funding

[4:36:31] Voice 8: or sorry i think you were faster than i could write down

[4:36:36] Trustee Patrick: of

[4:36:37] Voice 8: season yes

[4:36:39] Voice 11: there and then we can do that so in terms of uh direction so

[4:36:47] Voice 11: So we got a little bit from you on the housing accelerator in alignment with the OCP, the

[4:36:55] Voice 8: First Nations, but where we're coming right now.

[4:36:59] Voice 8: Just wondering, is there further direction?

[4:37:05] Voice 11: Is that enough direction for today if we were to pass a couple of resolutions like you just mentioned?

[4:37:13] Voice 10: It's not worth it to come back with a housing accelerator fund approach and start the work of looking for a professional and moving forward with that outreach to First Nations.

[4:37:23] Voice 10: That would be a good start, I think, to get us to tune.

[4:37:34] Voice 9: If we're going to be engaging with First Nations, I see it as very simple.

[4:37:38] Voice 9: and if we're going to be hiring somebody it should be somebody local who has knowledge of the local

[4:37:43] Voice 9: indigenous and it's not difficult for staff to write a letter very simple letter saying that

[4:37:49] Voice 9: we're engaging physically like actually genuinely with the local indigenous that are here and

[4:37:55] Voice 9: sending a letter out to all the nations governance office that's telling them that that's what we're

[4:37:59] Voice 9: doing really really simple it doesn't have to be complicated we don't need to hire somebody for

[4:38:04] Voice 9: has to be somebody local hiring someone else from outside of the community to engage with

[4:38:08] Voice 9: first nations outside of the community and it's to me it's just disingenuous 100 percent

[4:38:14] Voice 9: janie

[4:38:15] Trustee Patrick: this is this is not just this local indigenous is sort of like the next step

[4:38:19] Trustee Patrick: this is our legal obligations yeah

[4:38:22] Voice 9: so if you work

[4:38:23] Trustee Patrick: with the with with we

[4:38:24] Voice 9: can we can do that we can

[4:38:26] Voice 9: just send letters or wrap up a letter that goes to all of them

[4:38:29] Trustee Patrick: that's 13 that's not amazing this

[4:38:31] Trustee Patrick: we're asking for someone to work with us on the approach not just send like we don't need to work

[4:38:35] Trustee Patrick: we don't we don't have to hire somebody i'm

[4:38:38] Voice 9: happy i'll help you you can

[4:38:39] Voice 9: draft the winner

[4:38:40] Voice 9: and i won't charge a dime other than what i'm already getting paid for um

[4:38:45] Voice 9: you know it's just to me it's just i can't even believe what i'm hearing anyways um yeah i'll

[4:38:53] Voice 9: leave you to that i like your other um

[4:38:54] Voice 11: resolution and i just wanted to say that um like

[4:39:01] Voice 11: like trustee Patrick is, is correct.

[4:39:04] Voice 11: That's addressing our legal obligations.

[4:39:07] Voice 11: And I just want to say I'm sensitive to your, to your,

[4:39:11] Voice 11: what you're saying about local, local indigenous people.

[4:39:15] Voice 11: And I think it's absolutely appropriate to, to

[4:39:18] Voice 9: do, to work here as well.

[4:39:20] Voice 9: To add, I'm sure that the other,

[4:39:22] Voice 9: the First Nations that we sent the letter out to, to their band offices,

[4:39:26] Voice 9: would be happy to hear that we're doing that because many of the,

[4:39:31] Voice 9: First Nations that are here are from the different

[4:39:34] Voice 9: bands, I'm not even sure

[4:39:36] Voice 9: if they're the right language

[4:39:38] Voice 9: but they're from the Penelope, they're

[4:39:40] Voice 9: from the Cowichan, they're from

[4:39:43] Voice 9: others

[4:39:44] Voice 9: so I'm sure

[4:39:45] Voice 11: they would be happy

[4:39:46] Voice 11: to hear that, that's what we're doing

[4:39:48] Voice 11: so anyway what I was

[4:39:50] Voice 11: trying to get at is I feel like that

[4:39:54] Voice 11: that

[4:39:55] Voice 11: what you're talking about for the local

[4:39:57] Voice 11: players is an additional

[4:40:00] Voice 11: additional action

[4:40:01] Voice 11: and an additional resolution and i'm i think that's i

[4:40:05] Trustee Patrick: think the approach we need to have an

[4:40:07] Trustee Patrick: approach created um

[4:40:09] Voice 9: hire a local consultant we

[4:40:12] Trustee Patrick: can have that motion and we'll see how it runs in

[4:40:14] Trustee Patrick: the few minutes but our

[4:40:16] Voice 9: local entity just to engage with the local first nations we ourselves

[4:40:20] Voice 9: as an ltc and staff can come up with a letter that goes out to all the rest it doesn't have

[4:40:25] Voice 9: to

[4:40:25] Voice 8: be an expensive proposition i wouldn't suggest um that the 13

[4:40:34] Voice 10: wait first nations um territories

[4:40:37] Voice 10: often have other structures not local i think it's important for us to um engage with the best

[4:40:44] Voice 10: possible professions and i would appreciate i think if you want to target the resolution to

[4:40:50] Voice 10: specific professionals that we're happy to reach out at the staff level to see what kind of

[4:40:56] Voice 10: consultants what kind of engagement consultants um first nations have worked with worked well with

[4:41:01] Voice 10: um to see if that would help because it's obviously uh you know we're looking at that

[4:41:05] Voice 10: they are partly representing um their their exactly that

[4:41:09] Voice 9: goes against everything i just said

[4:41:10] Voice 9: but um if that's the way you want it all

[4:41:16] Trustee Patrick: right did we need any other residents so we have the

[4:41:19] Trustee Patrick: one about this and that one did we need any others uh i'm

[4:41:23] Trustee Patrick: just on this project at this point yeah i

[4:41:27] Voice 8: was just wondering if trustee harris um wants to specifically uh put a resolution together in terms

[4:41:36] Voice 8: of uh engagement with

[4:41:38] Voice 11: resident local

[4:41:40] Voice 9: resident first nations i think that's a figure that i

[4:41:44] Voice 9: think it's a great idea so where i was going with that is if we hire somebody locally to do and do

[4:41:49] Voice 9: we need to get into the um so i

[4:41:51] Voice 11: know the specifics i guess

[4:41:52] Voice 9: the way i

[4:41:52] Voice 11: see that is is is parallel and

[4:41:55] Voice 11: complementary to the more official government to government end of things that's that's the

[4:42:00] Voice 11: way that's the way i see it but just that's a consideration so um we've got a couple of

[4:42:07] Voice 11: uh we're working towards a couple of resolutions and um i'm wondering what you've got for us trusty

[4:42:14] Voice 11: patrick at this point

[4:42:15] Trustee Patrick: i'll do the start up on the first one i also want to make the one on the um

[4:42:21] Trustee Patrick: that we talked about for first nations um i don't did you have some warning on the one

[4:42:27] Trustee Patrick: about the the local trust committee is requesting staff prepare uh sorry i've

[4:42:35] Voice 11: got a little bit of

[4:42:36] Voice 11: worries i couldn't

[4:42:39] Trustee Patrick: read my own writing after i got uh got it started here on um pursuing the

[4:42:44] Trustee Patrick: housing accelerator approach is that what you said or approach um just the yeah bring

[4:42:50] Voice 11: back process

[4:42:51] Voice 11: process for pursuing housing accelerator fund in alignment with the OCP process with the notes I

[4:42:58] Voice 11: took

[4:42:58] Voice 8: to

[4:43:01] Voice 6: pursue

[4:43:06] Voice 8: the housing accelerator grant

[4:43:09] Trustee Patrick: in

[4:43:12] Voice 11: alignment with the OCP process early

[4:43:15] Trustee Patrick: works of the

[4:43:16] Trustee Patrick: the OCP land use by-law project.

[4:43:19] Trustee Patrick: Something like that.

[4:43:21] Voice 8: Early works or

[4:43:22] Trustee Patrick: early favors,

[4:43:23] Voice 10: early steps.

[4:43:26] Voice 10: This was the direction that I had was to request staff

[4:43:30] Voice 10: to begin work on a housing action plan

[4:43:32] Voice 10: to incorporate building buy-in with service providers

[4:43:37] Voice 10: that are government engaging

[4:43:40] Voice 10: with affordable housing providers on Salta-Renault,

[4:43:42] Voice 10: um incorporating recommendations of the housing action program task force

[4:43:48] Voice 8: and incorporating workforce housing

[4:43:54] Voice 8: is that now are we suggesting this is all one one big motion

[4:44:00] Voice 11: well i'm just noting that there was nothing about housing accelerator and what he just said

[4:44:04] Voice 11: oh no it is to prepare how to make something okay okay i

[4:44:08] Voice 10: didn't catch that okay all right

[4:44:10] Voice 10: it's all right we can get uh a reaction plan okay

[4:44:14] Voice 11: i just didn't hear you say i was saying

[4:44:16] Voice 10: early

[4:44:17] Voice 8: basis of the ocp plan use by law project you i know sarah's a miracle worker and we'll

[4:44:29] Voice 11: get something well we're gonna get something out of this today just

[4:44:32] Voice 10: to clarify the connection like

[4:44:33] Voice 10: i i i think it's a foregone conclusion uh in my perspective that the ocp must be a part of

[4:44:39] Voice 10: the housing act accelerated fund um it's i'm concerned about saying that it's in pursuit of

[4:44:44] Voice 10: there are other works that are maybe directly related to the ocp or maybe future projects

[4:44:51] Voice 10: that may need to be incorporated okay

[4:44:53] Voice 11: so you're worrying about the by identifying the ocp that

[4:44:58] Voice 11: it would be too prescriptive

[4:45:00] Voice 10: it would be it would be over refining uh okay so we actually

[4:45:03] Voice 10: So when we go to, we

[4:45:04] Trustee Patrick: need to leave it more open, but it's the other way it's the housing action plan is the early phases of the OCP project is what I'm saying you're you're you are killing two birds with one stone is the old saying that that's what I'm encouraging is that we design the pursuit of the accelerator fund so that we're ticking the boxes down the path of the beginning of the OCP project.

[4:45:29] Trustee Patrick: The data analysis, the review, the growth, all these things that we're looking at are steps of the OCP so that we're not repeating ourselves and we're building.

[4:45:40] Trustee Patrick: Because I think it's important to say that is where we're still building to the OCP review.

[4:45:47] Trustee Patrick: This is the first phase of that.

[4:45:53] Trustee Patrick: That's why I wanted to have an emotion that we're acknowledging that.

[4:45:58] Trustee Patrick: that's we're encouraging that connection Mr.

[4:46:03] Voice 10: Dredd suggested that we have the defuncting

[4:46:06] Voice 10: action plan to be funded through the OCP project sure that's identifying

[4:46:11] Voice 8: the funding so it's

[4:46:16] Voice 8: a good idea

[4:46:17] Voice 8: I'm going to say your plan is to begin working on a housing action plan in alignment with

[4:46:32] Voice 8: the terms and process that it includes.

[4:46:59] Voice 8: Here.

[4:47:06] Voice 8: All right, I guess you're going to have to read what you wrote there.

[4:47:12] Voice 8: I

[4:47:13] Voice 6: can read the notes, but would you like to?

[4:47:16] Voice 12: Sure.

[4:47:22] Voice 8: I'm with the Salisbury County

[4:47:23] Trustee Patrick: Local Trust Committee and request staff to begin work

[4:47:26] Trustee Patrick: on a housing action plan in alignment with the OCP land use by-law project that includes

[4:47:33] Trustee Patrick: building buy-in with the service providers and other governments, other levels of government,

[4:47:40] Trustee Patrick: other levels of government, engaging with affordable housing providers on Salt Spring

[4:47:46] Trustee Patrick: Island, incorporating recommendations of the housing action program task force,

[4:47:55] Trustee Patrick: and the corporate uh incorporating workforce

[4:47:58] Voice 8: housing provisions that's it i'm just gonna

[4:48:10] Voice 8: have a question um is the housing accelerator program just workforce housing let me second

[4:48:21] Voice 8: the motion okay can i see

[4:48:24] Trustee Patrick: it on the screen by any chance is that

[4:48:25] Voice 8: hard to do just don't have

[4:48:30] Voice 8: the dongle thank

[4:48:37] Voice 9: you um while we're waiting for that um you know just for conversation so

[4:48:43] Voice 9: i'd like your idea of coming up with a resolution resolution um what

[4:48:48] Voice 8: about something along the lines

[4:48:49] Voice 8: um you know it's so much wise i'm having trouble with it myself but that we hire

[4:48:59] Voice 8: a local entity oh

[4:49:02] Trustee Patrick: that's a separate motion yeah

[4:49:04] Voice 9: i know yeah yeah i'm talking about well

[4:49:05] Voice 8: he's talking about

[4:49:06] Voice 9: a third one here um to um determine how

[4:49:11] Voice 6: many first nations

[4:49:15] Voice 9: reside on the salt spring island creating a list of names of contact information for future use

[4:49:20] Voice 9: meaningful engagement that's

[4:49:22] Voice 8: i think that's perfectly reasonable

[4:49:26] Voice 8: so let's uh

[4:49:27] Voice 11: deal with the one that we're going to get up on the screen

[4:49:32] Voice 11: yeah and laura's got one and then i'll ask you

[4:49:35] Voice 11: then i'll ask you to move that because i think

[4:49:37] Voice 11: that's that seems totally reasonable to me so you

[4:49:41] Voice 8: can see how it is yeah we'll get it on the floor

[4:49:44] Voice 8: in a minute here to go from there and share it with the public but i can share it with the guy

[4:49:55] Voice 8: that's fine as long as somebody reads it i already read it would you well i haven't

[4:50:07] Voice 8: how's that

[4:50:27] Voice 8: just needs to be some incorporating incorporating i'm you know it's can we talk about this or just

[4:50:41] Voice 8: well

[4:50:42] Voice 11: let's let's just give a minute to get it finished and then as soon as

[4:50:46] Voice 20: you

[4:50:47] Voice 11: are you good

[4:50:47] Voice 11: yeah okay

[4:50:48] Voice 11: well that's further discussion trustee harris

[4:50:50] Voice 9: i'm uh i wonder so it's it's what i'm

[4:50:54] Voice 9: reading is that it's underneath the uh bullet

[4:50:56] Voice 8: points right that's the motion no no no the

[4:51:03] Voice 8: motion that was

[4:51:04] Voice 12: on the floor is that one oh

[4:51:06] Voice 8: okay yeah that's seems to good work um with that chris

[4:51:39] Voice 8: trustee patrick anything further from you on the motion no in that case i'm going to call

[4:51:44] Voice 8: the question all those in favor and that carries thank you very much uh i

[4:51:53] Trustee Patrick: say this

[4:51:54] Voice 11: next one i do

[4:51:55] Voice 11: do on a

[4:51:55] Trustee Patrick: wordsmith, I think it'll ease this. Just early relationship development. This is not about

[4:52:03] Trustee Patrick: just early relationship development. I think this is about an Indigenous relations approach.

[4:52:13] Trustee Patrick: And so it's not just about relationships. It's also how do we do this project respectfully with

[4:52:19] Trustee Patrick: an Indigenous relations approach? Because there's also Indigenous ways of knowing and other things

[4:52:25] Trustee Patrick: that we may want to you know embrace in this in this project that's

[4:52:29] Voice 8: respectful but and it's

[4:52:31] Voice 8: and it's really making sure we've given that opportunity for uh you know

[4:52:39] Trustee Patrick: their input into

[4:52:41] Trustee Patrick: the into the project so i don't want to just say relationships that's a part of it could

[4:52:49] Voice 10: we um is

[4:52:50] Voice 10: Is it about having early dialogue with First Nation?

[4:52:58] Voice 8: What's

[4:52:59] Trustee Patrick: the Indigenous relations approach for the project?

[4:53:03] Trustee Patrick: Because it's a project.

[4:53:05] Trustee Patrick: I mean, I think we want to be given that right

[4:53:07] Trustee Patrick: to decide sort of how,

[4:53:10] Trustee Patrick: given the right to have the right,

[4:53:13] Trustee Patrick: how to be involved in this project.

[4:53:17] Voice 10: So it might be good to suggest that these are,

[4:53:20] Voice 10: we have a broad work plan.

[4:53:22] Voice 10: I mean, that's the level that we're basically at right now.

[4:53:25] Voice 10: It's looking good.

[4:53:27] Voice 10: But I think the approach to that is really just to listen first.

[4:53:31] Voice 10: That's quite often the best approach at the beginning.

[4:53:34] Voice 10: We can come back and continue that dialogue about what is workable.

[4:53:39] Trustee Patrick: But I'm hoping that's what the expert's going to support us in.

[4:53:42] Trustee Patrick: We're just telling the expert we just want to go off and listen.

[4:53:45] Trustee Patrick: They may tell us something different is all I'm saying.

[4:53:48] Trustee Patrick: So that's why we want to bring an expert in here so that we get set this project on solid ground to start off on, that we have a process that we understand, you know, so that when we do get a letter halfway through it, we're prepared for it.

[4:54:02] Trustee Patrick: We gave, we followed a process and we have some comfort.

[4:54:09] Trustee Patrick: And that's what's been missing for me is we don't have a process.

[4:54:13] Trustee Patrick: process. You know, if Tim goes off and has a chat with First Nations, and now I'm sitting in a

[4:54:19] Trustee Patrick: meeting having to make a decision, that doesn't help me. So that's why, that's what I'm looking

[4:54:23] Trustee Patrick: at, that we've got a process from this project that is embedded into the project. How, you know,

[4:54:30] Trustee Patrick: how we're going to work within First

[4:54:34] Voice 8: Nations from all the way through. My concern for this,

[4:54:39] Voice 8: um you know these words are yellow there um is that um due to the the time constraint on this

[4:54:50] Voice 8: and um what you know how historically um feedback um has been given to them to us from

[4:55:03] Voice 8: first nations uh i

[4:55:09] Voice 9: wonder if we're just completely setting ourselves up for failure you know because

[4:55:12] Voice 9: if we wait until there's a cutoff date for the housing

[4:55:16] Voice 8: accelerator fund um application

[4:55:22] Voice 8: and then we hear from first nations saying well we don't want you to apply for the housing

[4:55:27] Voice 8: accelerator fund is that that's basically what because that's what we're trying to ask you

[4:55:33] Voice 8: can we when you think about us applying for this is that essentially what we're doing with this

[4:55:43] Voice 8: as the as the land use authority um

[4:55:47] Voice 10: salt spray this is the only eligible applicant on salt spray

[4:55:52] Voice 10: to apply but

[4:55:55] Voice 9: we're asking them you know is it okay if we apply for this fund so we're asking

[4:56:00] Voice 10: i think it's more about asking about um their concerns about housing um quite often we do hear

[4:56:07] Voice 10: concerned about first nation looking for opportunities for housing

[4:56:11] Voice 10: would it

[4:56:14] Voice 9: not be better than to um say that specifically

[4:56:20] Voice 9: um well you

[4:56:21] Voice 9: know say well you know you want to have so much housing available

[4:56:27] Voice 9: for first nations or something and not and not prior to applying for it but once applied for

[4:56:35] Voice 9: um just because of the time constraint here it's june and

[4:56:40] Voice 8: again historically um

[4:56:45] Voice 8: that's my concern does that make any sense to me i think accelerated

[4:56:48] Voice 10: fund part of it

[4:56:50] Voice 10: really an opportunity to engage in dialogue and i think that that's going to continue to

[4:56:54] Voice 10: throughout the project if we go forward but this early step is is crucial um just for the

[4:56:59] Voice 10: transparency of it but

[4:57:01] Voice 9: june right we're already made i've

[4:57:03] Trustee Patrick: got a solution i have to support early

[4:57:06] Trustee Patrick: dialogue and relationship development and an indigenous relations approach

[4:57:14] Trustee Patrick: for the for the ltc projects housing accelerator what

[4:57:19] Voice 10: i what i'm a bit leery of it i don't want

[4:57:20] Voice 10: to come back and ask for your permission because i want to go out and do it

[4:57:24] Voice 10: yeah uh but i do

[4:57:25] Voice 10: understand i really would hope that you know um possibly um you know the next six months we would

[4:57:31] Voice 10: actually move towards a protocol on how to deal with this all springboard plan uh working with

[4:57:35] Voice 11: versionation yeah and there's there's actually some language i just wanted to point out there's

[4:57:40] Voice 11: some language in one of the recommendations from the ocp staff report that i like which is uh

[4:57:46] Voice 11: it's talking about initiating dialogue and preliminary engagement preferences

[4:57:51] Voice 11: yeah because i think that i mean i think that speaks to what where i feel there's a gap

[4:57:56] Voice 11: That is the preliminary engagement preferences of First Nations.

[4:58:04] Voice 11: So this

[4:58:05] Trustee Patrick: is about bringing an expert in here instead of a bunch of us

[4:58:09] Trustee Patrick: talking about this

[4:58:10] Trustee Patrick: that are not experts in this field.

[4:58:13] Trustee Patrick: That's what this is about.

[4:58:15] Voice 8: No, but we've been elected to make decisions.

[4:58:16] Trustee Patrick: No, we don't

[4:58:17] Trustee Patrick: have the staff support in this area any longer.

[4:58:21] Trustee Patrick: We've lost that person.

[4:58:23] Trustee Patrick: and so

[4:58:24] Trustee Patrick: so

[4:58:25] Voice 9: i maybe i'm reading this wrong then so we're going to go ahead and apply for the

[4:58:29] Voice 9: accelerator accelerator fund and um and we'll hear from first nations afterwards once we if we if we

[4:58:37] Voice 9: get um if we get it

[4:58:39] Voice 10: then we do we need to reach out uh we need to kind of develop on the accelerator

[4:58:43] Voice 10: plan a housing action plan um and then from that that's the statements of our

[4:58:48] Voice 10: living accelerator fund so that's that's the summer before us right um and at the same time

[4:58:53] Voice 10: we're continuing dialogue with first nations about how we're advancing um so we're not trying to ask

[4:59:01] Voice 10: for feedback prior to um applying for it i think it's really more that you know as has been in so

[4:59:08] Voice 10: far as we're coordinating with the results brain and capital regional district and um and the

[4:59:13] Voice 10: the community we're also coordinating with first nations as well so if there are opportunities

[4:59:18] Voice 10: and quite often are then that's something we can bring into the plan as well um but that's the you

[4:59:24] Voice 10: know that's something that's going to be um it's going to come back to the lpc but it's like like

[4:59:29] Voice 10: what's what belongs in this housing action plan what's the best approach and so

[4:59:33] Voice 9: just so i'm clear

[4:59:34] Voice 9: if we don't have any feedback from first nations prior to the deadline or the you know the last

[4:59:42] Voice 9: day of sending in the application are we going to still send it in i would i would expect

[4:59:48] Voice 9: and if we and if we have first nations come back and say

[4:59:54] Voice 9: prior to the sending it in well we don't like this

[5:00:00] Voice 9: are we not going to send it in well

[5:00:02] Voice 11: i think that's that would be a decision that we'd make

[5:00:04] Voice 11: based on the responses that we got right like okay

[5:00:08] Voice 9: so i just wanted to i just wanted to know

[5:00:09] Voice 9: yeah

[5:00:09] Voice 11: well yeah

[5:00:12] Voice 9: i i get

[5:00:13] Voice 11: fair enough we would get to a decision point if that's the case

[5:00:16] Voice 9: yeah we would

[5:00:16] Voice 9: be at a decision point whether okay i was just trying to get in my mind the timeline of one

[5:00:20] Voice 9: show that the engagement would be useful all

[5:00:24] Trustee Patrick: right i'm satisfied are

[5:00:26] Voice 9: you ready to i've got

[5:00:27] Trustee Patrick: we've got everyone's likings in there i hope i've added the indigenous relations approach still

[5:00:32] Trustee Patrick: that's because that's the approach is about the the this is no longer just about dialogue with

[5:00:38] Trustee Patrick: first nations it's how we bring it into yes the project that makes sense of embedding it's not

[5:00:44] Trustee Patrick: just how we talk to them it's how we treat indigenous relations within the project going

[5:00:50] Trustee Patrick: forward that the responsibilities on us to communicate to gangites you know what this what

[5:00:57] Trustee Patrick: what rights and title is and all of that then some it's our

[5:01:00] Voice 8: education that's why it's okay

[5:01:06] Voice 8: we need advice on

[5:01:08] Voice 8: that all

[5:01:09] Trustee Patrick: right i'll know that the salt spring island local trust committee

[5:01:11] Trustee Patrick: requests oh we don't have to dedicate fund that the well i think it's dedicated oh okay

[5:01:18] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[5:01:22] Trustee Patrick: allocate OCP land use by-law project funding

[5:01:26] Trustee Patrick: and request staff to develop in coordination

[5:01:31] Trustee Patrick: with a qualified indigenous professional,

[5:01:36] Trustee Patrick: qualified relations professional,

[5:01:39] Voice 6: I guess so,

[5:01:40] Trustee Patrick: to support early dialogue and relationship development

[5:01:44] Trustee Patrick: development to initially support early dialogue and relationship relationship development identify

[5:01:54] Trustee Patrick: preliminary engagement preferences and develop an indigenous relations approach for the LTC projects

[5:02:01] Trustee Patrick: and housing accelerator fund at the staff to staff and leadership to leadership level except we don't

[5:02:08] Voice 8: have the community to community level but I guess okay all right so moved uh do you have a second

[5:02:16] Voice 11: moved and seconded for the discussion on the motion uh sure um do

[5:02:23] Voice 8: we have any idea what

[5:02:24] Voice 8: something like this will cost um every penny is a good investment the

[5:02:36] Voice 10: uh well i mean i don't think

[5:02:37] Voice 10: we want to get into having to procure services i don't think this is that kind of budget i would

[5:02:41] Voice 10: expect well over five thousand dollars sorry

[5:02:44] Voice 8: i would expect well under five thousand dollars

[5:02:46] Voice 8: okay any further discussion okay i'm going to call the question all those in favor

[5:02:56] Voice 8: and that motion carries and then did you want to did you want to take a pleasure um

[5:03:06] Voice 8: i move and we can clearly mold this um i move that we hire a local entity to engage with local

[5:03:25] Voice 8: sorry, strap that, that we hire a local entity to determine how many First Nations,

[5:03:39] Voice 8: how many First Nations reside on Salt

[5:03:41] Voice 9: Spring Island, to create a list of names and contact

[5:03:45] Voice 9: information

[5:03:45] Voice 8: for future use and meaningful First Nations engagement.

[5:03:52] Voice 8: It's Indigenous. How many First Nations reside on Salt Spring?

[5:03:58] Trustee Patrick: We know that answer is 13.

[5:04:00] Trustee Patrick: well

[5:04:00] Voice 9: you know you're

[5:04:02] Voice 8: talking about residents

[5:04:02] Voice 9: that's fine but they go by first nations

[5:04:05] Voice 9: some want to be called indian some want to be called indigenous there's many names so i would

[5:04:10] Voice 9: you know i think you could say first nations and indigenous when it

[5:04:15] Voice 10: comes to i mean the

[5:04:16] Voice 10: the answer to the question um but setting the names aside um 2016 census um that does address

[5:04:23] Voice 10: the aboriginal census um by the aboriginal people which is an unfortunate term that

[5:04:29] Voice 10: refers to this constitutional language referring to the Inuit, Métis, and First Nations people.

[5:04:34] Voice 10: We have a population of 403 people in 2016, so that's probably holding steady

[5:04:40] Voice 10: people who identify as Aboriginal.

[5:04:42] Voice 9: On Salt Spring? Yeah. Okay, so let's have a list of

[5:04:48] Voice 8: a list of names and contact information. I don't think we can have

[5:05:00] Trustee Patrick: that information. Why?

[5:05:02] Voice 8: Right.

[5:05:03] Voice 8: It's called the, what

[5:05:04] Trustee Patrick: is it, the Freedom of Information Act.

[5:05:06] Voice 10: Yeah, to create a list of First Nations people probably wouldn't go very well in a safe

[5:05:11] Voice 10: government.

[5:05:12] Voice 10: I think it might be, I think it's helpful to engage in, in fact necessary to work with,

[5:05:19] Voice 10: to include First Nations people who are not preserved in the actual OCP engagement process.

[5:05:27] process. And

[5:05:27] Voice 10: that process, what that usually looks like is a task force or something. You

[5:05:33] Voice 10: can create an actual space for a person who identifies as Aboriginal or First Nations

[5:05:39] Voice 10: when you're selecting members. And you can appoint that, you can weigh that as you like.

[5:05:45] Voice 10: And then you can also just do it through public engagement where you're gathering general

[5:05:50] Voice 10: Yeah,

[5:05:50] Voice 9: but that historically hasn't worked and hasn't, you know, we need to send them information and get in touch with them, right?

[5:06:00] Voice 9: It's

[5:06:01] Voice 10: not something that we're going to, it is private information and it's not something that we're going to be able to access in any format that would be legal.

[5:06:12] Voice 10: Apart from members self

[5:06:14] Voice 9: -selecting to identify.

[5:06:16] Voice 9: Well,

[5:06:16] Voice 10: maybe we can reach

[5:06:17] Voice 9: out and ask them if they want to join.

[5:06:19] Voice 9: maybe

[5:06:19] Voice 11: so i i'm hearing there's some legal issues here at rest here so maybe the approach is more

[5:06:28] Voice 11: around uh giving out some kind of a public information piece uh requesting

[5:06:40] Voice 11: um local indigenous people to apply to who who want to be part of a public engagement public

[5:06:48] Voice 11: public engagement well public engagement process or or however we want to put it um you know in

[5:06:57] Voice 11: or resident on salt spring who want to specifically sign up because then if we're putting out some

[5:07:03] Voice 11: kind of a notice people are voluntarily signing up that's not the same as us gathering information

[5:07:09] Voice 11: and uh what do you call it like a dead call you know so if they want to um you

[5:07:16] Voice 8: know once i have

[5:07:18] Voice 8: some words there that i mean maybe would have worked but yeah so you could yeah i mean it's

[5:07:27] Voice 8: certainly something that i

[5:07:27] Voice 10: mean going back to the um the motion that we have on the around

[5:07:31] Voice 10: development approach to uh indigenous engagement that approach can incorporate any number of you

[5:07:38] Voice 10: know special engagement sessions or um politically addressing various cultural aspects of the people

[5:07:44] Voice 10: if they want to there's a desire for that at the table well i

[5:07:50] Voice 9: think that sounds like we need a

[5:07:51] Voice 9: clearly a motion for that and it should be from somebody local who is who's um you know involved

[5:07:58] Voice 9: with local first nations and um and reach out ask for any who

[5:08:06] Voice 8: who would want to be involved in a um

[5:08:11] Voice 8: in an engagement process an ongoing one then you know please um join the um but i think it would

[5:08:22] Voice 8: help once we have

[5:08:26] Trustee Patrick: an approach figured out and we have a project i think because if you're out

[5:08:30] Trustee Patrick: saying we're going to amend the ocp or we're about to do this project now you have a an announcement

[5:08:35] Trustee Patrick: to hang your the request on i'm saying you know we're asking indigenous

[5:08:41] Trustee Patrick: just we don't

[5:08:43] Voice 9: want to put it on the exchange no no they

[5:08:45] Voice 9: don't read you know everybody doesn't

[5:08:47] Voice 9: read that so we want to actually find out if they were if they want to be involved we need to reach

[5:08:52] Voice 9: out and say we're we want to create um you know this process where you were going to be contacted

[5:08:58] Voice 8: directly from us and not a thing where we're reaching out

[5:09:05] Voice 9: to the um all the other bands

[5:09:07] Voice 9: hands because we have to do that as well but the locals are the ones who have you know been left

[5:09:15] Voice 9: out in the cold yeah so now we want to change that so i all i see is the the the motion that

[5:09:22] Voice 9: you have laura is just more of that and we're

[5:09:25] Trustee Patrick: not focusing on an indigenous relations approach

[5:09:27] Trustee Patrick: to the entire project jamie we're i'm saying the same thing i

[5:09:31] Voice 10: don't i don't hear that i don't see

[5:09:32] Voice 10: one getting a question um yeah they've only been on salt spring about seven months now is there

[5:09:39] Voice 10: an actual association of people that there are a way that people gather around um being a person

[5:09:48] Voice 10: person having offers are there any time no we need to do that

[5:09:52] Voice 8: so this is essentially what we're

[5:09:55] Voice 8: we're saying right i mean this would normally be a you know

[5:09:59] Voice 10: a lot of people feel like a metis

[5:10:01] Voice 10: association and other communities and you know it would certainly be a group that that a community

[5:10:06] Voice 10: would go out and engage with um yeah perspective um in this case it's a little bit different

[5:10:12] Voice 10: so i'm just wondering if there isn't a non-profit or anything um no there isn't

[5:10:17] Voice 8: yeah and and i mean i i really respect what you're what you're trying to include here um

[5:10:27] Voice 8: What I think I'm hearing from staff is that the previous motion can help us find ways

[5:10:40] Voice 8: to do what you're

[5:10:41] Voice 11: thinking of here, or ways to approach how we might go about engaging

[5:10:50] Voice 11: directly with resident Indigenous

[5:10:54] Voice 8: people living on preserve on Salt Lake.

[5:11:08] Voice 8: so in terms of process i'm hearing that the actual the

[5:11:19] Voice 10: way you laid out in that proposed

[5:11:21] Voice 11: motion there is is not actually achievable for us in terms of the protection of privacy

[5:11:29] Voice 11: issues for those individuals well

[5:11:32] Voice 9: i why can't we reach out and ask them if they would if they

[5:11:36] Voice 9: would like to be put on an engagement, an engagement list.

[5:11:40] Voice 9: I don't see how that's, if you ask them, would they like to, then why not?

[5:11:46] Voice 9: How is that illegal?

[5:11:48] Trustee Patrick: I'm not just, I think that, I think it's a timing question just to go out and ask to

[5:11:52] Trustee Patrick: be on something.

[5:11:53] Trustee Patrick: It would help if we have a project to be the leader of asking that question, because then

[5:11:59] Trustee Patrick: you could ask them, you know, they could say, am I, do I only want to be involved in this

[5:12:03] Trustee Patrick: project or would I like to go on a list?

[5:12:05] Trustee Patrick: that's how the freedom of information you have to self-select and say i'm agreeing for all future

[5:12:10] Voice 9: engagement but you know regarding

[5:12:12] Trustee Patrick: any structure the new

[5:12:13] Voice 9: bylaws or amendments of or ltc projects

[5:12:16] Voice 9: like it's pretty simple

[5:12:17] Trustee Patrick: it would help if we had the first project as the because now we're we're

[5:12:21] Trustee Patrick: out there no

[5:12:22] Voice 9: well this we need this before the project we get

[5:12:24] Voice 8: this and then as soon as there's

[5:12:26] Voice 8: a project it goes to them does that not make sense it's just the timing of when we ask it

[5:12:35] Voice 8: is the question why we need the list i don't get it unless i'm completely um you know brain dead

[5:12:46] Voice 9: or something um well if i can i think try

[5:12:51] Voice 11: and paraphrase what i think i'm hearing here

[5:12:53] Voice 11: is that um just sort of putting a request out hey local indigenous uh would you folks live at

[5:13:05] Voice 11: living living off reserve on resident on salt spring would you like to sign up for a list for

[5:13:10] Voice 11: or an engagement for LTC projects.

[5:13:13] Voice 11: But what I think I'm hearing is that to attach that to, you know,

[5:13:22] Voice 11: a proposal or a project charter is an opportunity to engage is more

[5:13:31] Voice 11: appropriate than just, hey, you want to engage without.

[5:13:34] Voice 11: It's more compelling.

[5:13:36] Voice 11: Instead of, do you want to engage on A or B?

[5:13:40] Voice 11: on everything well no i know about a being like this project like yeah instead of just saying hey

[5:13:46] Voice 11: do you want to engage it's saying hey do you want to engage on the ocp project and then if and then

[5:13:53] Voice 11: if you'd like to uh sign up for

[5:13:55] Voice 9: uh then that's never leaving anything else so right i just you

[5:14:01] Voice 9: You can just say for all Islands Trusts,

[5:14:07] Voice 9: for discussion on any,

[5:14:10] Voice 9: for engagement on any Islands Trust bylaws

[5:14:13] Voice 9: or amendments of, or future projects.

[5:14:15] Trustee Patrick: I have a solution.

[5:14:17] Trustee Patrick: Instead, just because working out the details,

[5:14:19] Trustee Patrick: there's complications.

[5:14:20] Trustee Patrick: So you could either just request staff

[5:14:23] Trustee Patrick: to look into methods of identifying

[5:14:28] Trustee Patrick: buying our list, you know, for engagement opportunities or something like that, so that

[5:14:38] Trustee Patrick: staff can look at, you know, think

[5:14:39] Trustee Patrick: about how, where would the list reside, you know, how

[5:14:43] Trustee Patrick: would it be collected, you know, if we can just ask staff to do that.

[5:14:46] Voice 9: Well, it would reside on a computer or on one of those sticks in a file, it's pretty

[5:14:50] Voice 9: simple.

[5:14:50] Voice 9: Oh, Freedom

[5:14:51] Trustee Patrick: of Information does not let you do that.

[5:14:53] Voice 9: If you ask them, would you like to be on a list, and they say, yes, we would.

[5:14:59] Voice 9: it's not this isn't something difficult to me your emotion is much more far-fetched in any sense of

[5:15:06] Voice 9: the word than this um because it's easy for us to staff can write up a letter whatever it is and

[5:15:13] Voice 9: send we know who the first nations are we know the 13 are put them in envelopes and put their

[5:15:18] Voice 9: addresses on and send it out we

[5:15:19] Voice 8: don't have to hire a professional to do this i'm just wondering

[5:15:30] Voice 8: until we have a until

[5:15:31] Voice 10: lpc passed the resolution saying that we identified this group as a

[5:15:36] Voice 10: stakeholder group to follow this engagement plan like that is part of the ocp process you know you

[5:15:41] Voice 10: validate the level of engagement you were engaging and at what level um so that's that's a part of

[5:15:48] Voice 10: the ocp process until we do that and until you say first nations living off reserve uh are a

[5:15:55] Voice 10: stakeholder group at this level of engagement we have no reason to be going out and gathering

[5:16:01] Voice 10: people's personal information and that's that's our obligation to the government we can't be

[5:16:06] Voice 10: holding on to people's personal information without a purpose we have we have names and

[5:16:10] Voice 10: mailing addresses of

[5:16:11] Voice 9: everybody who has i see a huge purpose right there and all the more reason

[5:16:14] Voice 9: to do it prior to do this as soon as possible uh and we were not we're not just gathering it

[5:16:21] Voice 9: without anybody's consent we ask

[5:16:24] Voice 11: i have a question um chris based on what you just said so

[5:16:28] Voice 11: identifying um uh indigenous uh residents living off our reserve on salt spring as as a stakeholder

[5:16:39] Voice 11: in the process when is when is when would we um when would we do that

[5:16:48] Voice 10: when we do an engagement plan okay

[5:16:50] Voice 11: so when we do an engagement plan is the time to do that

[5:16:53] Voice 11: okay i just wanted to so there's there's a path that makes sense uh just to staff we want to wait

[5:17:01] Voice 11: so we want to do that as we as we identify stakeholders we want to make sure and i want

[5:17:08] Voice 11: you to i know you're not going to forget this but i know that so that's the time that i'm hearing

[5:17:13] Voice 11: that's the time that we we identify these local indigenous resident uh residents as as stakeholders

[5:17:22] Voice 11: in the engagement process well

[5:17:25] Voice 9: it's important we do it asap because we've got some big decisions

[5:17:29] Voice 9: coming up and if we aren't engaging them on a meaningful level um again it's just

[5:17:37] Voice 9: still that's highly disingenuous on our part i feel so um yeah please let me know when i can

[5:17:45] Voice 9: make this type of emotion and i'll do it yeah no no

[5:17:49] Voice 20: well hopefully you won't have to make the motion

[5:17:52] Voice 20: that it'll be all built into the

[5:17:54] Voice 9: yeah yeah i don't see that i i but i highly i highly doubt that

[5:17:57] Voice 9: that's

[5:17:58] Voice 11: going to happen with the motion you've got better on table anyway i just want to say uh

[5:18:02] Voice 11: Trustee Harris, I really respect where you're coming from on this.

[5:18:06] Voice 11: I think it's a really important component of our work towards reconciliation goals.

[5:18:12] Voice 11: So I appreciate that, and I look forward to, you know, when we get there to helping advance that,

[5:18:21] Voice 11: because I think that's really important and valuable stuff.

[5:18:23] Voice 8: up um on our agenda today um is there anything

[5:18:32] Voice 11: further on um item 12.1 and uh we've given some

[5:18:42] Voice 11: direction to staff here um anything for the trustees today okay uh in that case i want us

[5:18:50] Voice 11: to move us along to 12.2 the ganji village planning the staff report on

[5:18:56] Voice 8: page 229 and that's

[5:19:11] Voice 8: uh bladder garbo

[5:19:14] Voice 13: slide jim sure

[5:19:19] Voice 6: it's not going to be long it's really what brought back the

[5:19:25] Voice 6: the same report that we showed you last night and when christmas asked for examples or we sent out

[5:19:32] Voice 6: some examples of the area plans so we're coming back basically uh trying to see some uh direction

[5:19:40] Voice 6: and it's really i've looked at this really quickly again we segue at the policy stage

[5:19:49] Voice 6: of the dangers village and the objectives that we this is just high level objectives it wasn't

[5:19:56] Voice 6: going to be fine objectives per se i think it's pretty a sustainable village and some of that is

[5:20:01] Voice 6: is coming from the public and the military.

[5:20:05] Voice 6: And for us, it's, of course, implementing

[5:20:07] Voice 6: the First Nations Reconciliation Declaration.

[5:20:10] Voice 6: And the goal is also to look at mitigation on climate change

[5:20:16] Voice 6: to risk and also support appropriate densification.

[5:20:23] Voice 6: And the first phase, we did a lot of the public engagement.

[5:20:27] Voice 6: I'll just provide a quick summary

[5:20:29] Voice 6: of how many people in the group plus close friends

[5:20:35] Voice 6: and with the consultant that was in the public engagement

[5:20:40] Voice 6: program.

[5:20:41] Voice 6: And on the attachment, we included the summer one.

[5:20:46] Voice 6: And I think we got equity.

[5:20:49] Voice 6: And of course, we did the first nations engagement.

[5:20:52] Voice 6: And that's the summer group of the

[5:20:55] Voice 13: consultants

[5:20:57] Voice 13: from being the consultant.

[5:21:16] Voice 6: We've been hearing comments about, you know, is this the right approach, so we certainly

[5:21:24] Voice 6: want to get some direction from the trustees.

[5:21:27] Voice 6: seats. I heard early on that this is going to be part of the

[5:21:31] Voice 6: OCD process. Anything they pull concept originally talk about

[5:21:37] Voice 6: having a standalone area of time, and we're going to do

[5:21:40] Voice 6: that direction. So just kind of seek some

[5:21:45] Voice 6: Hey,

[5:21:52] Voice 8: thank you for that. trustees. Any questions,

[5:21:54] Voice 8: comments well

[5:21:57] Trustee Patrick: i do still believe we need a standalone area plan but we've got to deal

[5:22:04] Trustee Patrick: with the issue of are we going to make a village containment boundary and direct growth there that

[5:22:12] Trustee Patrick: is a that's an ocp question we haven't done that so just saying let's figure out you know how much

[5:22:17] Trustee Patrick: we can put in ganges to me that's that's an overall relationship how much growth we want

[5:22:22] Trustee Patrick: on the island, and how much are we apportioning to saying we want to drive that growth to Ganges.

[5:22:27] Trustee Patrick: So that's why I think we can pause, I think would be a better word,

[5:22:32] Trustee Patrick: and tackle this bigger issue in the context of the OCP. And there's lots of good reasons to have

[5:22:42] Trustee Patrick: the Ganges Area Plan, but I think if we do it as is right now, under the scenarios of a water

[5:22:48] Trustee Patrick: moratorium and all these challenges that we're going to end up with an area of fun that's you

[5:22:53] Voice 8: know um there's you know there's nothing there so

[5:23:02] Trustee Patrick: that's why i think we've got to do that real work

[5:23:04] Trustee Patrick: first on you know on the density questions from the ocp because it's a relational it's not just

[5:23:12] Trustee Patrick: gandhi standing by itself so i definitely think we need an area plan that fits for ganges

[5:23:17] Trustee Patrick: but we're not ready for that conversation right now without doing the other part and

[5:23:24] Trustee Patrick: our coordinated partners of doing the services part i've gone i encourage people to go look at

[5:23:33] Trustee Patrick: friday harbors comprehensive plan and and san juan islands that isn't uh that is a village

[5:23:39] Trustee Patrick: containment area and um has a lot of incredible good information in there how that's set up how

[5:23:47] Trustee Patrick: it works and why and it's in relations it's it's it's uh yin and yang with the rest of the island

[5:23:56] Trustee Patrick: but you know there's obligations if we're putting people in a defined area we have to take care of

[5:24:03] Trustee Patrick: them and make sure the services are in line with that and so except we got to start first at the

[5:24:11] Voice 8: just here well we don't know where ganges is at this point

[5:24:16] Voice 9: or where in the words where does it

[5:24:18] Voice 9: end when does it start where does it end so clearly i think that's what i'm hearing from you

[5:24:22] Voice 9: trustee

[5:24:23] Voice 8: patrick we need to define that first before we can unless that's the plan you know

[5:24:33] Voice 8: we can in our minds say well recommendation one what this

[5:24:38] Voice 9: means is that um and to continue you

[5:24:43] Voice 9: know and continuing with the plan the first thing we need to do is to find where Ganges is

[5:24:48] Voice 9: does that make sense well

[5:24:50] Trustee Patrick: it's to call to call a village containment boundaries has a

[5:24:56] Trustee Patrick: connotation to it as to what it what it means and that's like it's in context to

[5:25:01] Trustee Patrick: yeah you have a boundary there's even context of what do you do at the zone of the boundary and

[5:25:07] Trustee Patrick: where would that grow but that would be an OCP question so it's it's just moving same problem

[5:25:13] Trustee Patrick: just pausing on creating a village plan until we solve those first steps of where's Ganges and are

[5:25:20] Trustee Patrick: we going to have are we going to provide it with water so that it can be you know what was even

[5:25:26] Trustee Patrick: envisioned in the 2008 OCP can't occur so we you know we've

[5:25:34] Voice 9: got to deal with the do we do a

[5:25:35] Voice 9: motion of saying let's figure out where Ganges is well

[5:25:39] Trustee Patrick: I think we've already indicated that the OCP

[5:25:41] Trustee Patrick: project unless here you want to say let's include in the ocp project uh evaluating and considering

[5:25:48] Trustee Patrick: uh um i

[5:25:50] Voice 10: think it would be good to at least know that it's paused uh and start on that

[5:25:56] Voice 10: emotionally i don't think if i can sense this is what i'm hearing so the chair takes it

[5:26:03] Voice 9: yeah so then recommendation one uh we should just disregard that at this point or we can say

[5:26:10] Trustee Patrick: They will pause the project while the OCP LEB project evaluates and considers policy.

[5:26:17] Trustee Patrick: We're kind of visiting it after.

[5:26:20] Voice 10: I

[5:26:21] Trustee Patrick: just want to get this containment boundaries and emotions, what I'm trying to do, Chris, and you're trying to avoid

[5:26:26] Voice 9: me from doing it.

[5:26:29] Voice 9: Well, it would help us move forward.

[5:26:31] Voice 9: And wouldn't that be great?

[5:26:32] Voice 9: It kind of coincides with bottom number two.

[5:26:34] Voice 9: wouldn't it be great if we had um a list of local first nations who want to be engaged

[5:26:40] Voice 9: so we can actually engage them about this well

[5:26:43] Trustee Patrick: that we made the other motion apply to this project

[5:26:50] Voice 8: but again

[5:26:51] Voice 9: why wouldn't we want to have local indigenous who want to be involved

[5:26:57] Voice 9: but give us their names so you know for this and every other new project

[5:27:02] Voice 9: yeah um as

[5:27:05] Voice 8: it

[5:27:06] Voice 9: is now this to me is nothing yeah um okay sorry yes i

[5:27:12] Voice 6: understand correctly i think

[5:27:15] Voice 6: uh ltc is returning to the alternative resolution number two but you can record that

[5:27:21] Voice 6: oh

[5:27:22] Voice 8: right there's the alternative down there or do you want to reword it or

[5:27:30] Voice 8: hold it in advance um we can i can use that word but i'm going to say

[5:27:36] Voice 8: while um

[5:27:38] Voice 8: to

[5:27:39] Trustee Patrick: allow this other project to evaluate and consider policy for

[5:27:43] Trustee Patrick: game owners to manage growth so i'm happy to do that i'll wing that one then okay

[5:27:49] Voice 8: when

[5:27:50] Trustee Patrick: i moved that the salisbury isle local trust committee

[5:27:53] Trustee Patrick: hold the ganges village area plan project in advance while to allow the

[5:28:02] Voice 8: ocp land use bylaw

[5:28:04] Voice 8: project to evaluate and consider village containment boundaries to manage growth and

[5:28:16] Voice 8: settlement patterns and we have a reason okay uh you got that okay

[5:28:35] Voice 6: sure

[5:28:36] Voice 8: the

[5:28:38] Voice 6: salt spring island

[5:28:39] Voice 6: will the press committee hold the ganges village area plan project in advance to allow the ocp

[5:28:45] Voice 6: lub project to evaluate and consider village containment boundaries to manage growth and

[5:28:53] Voice 6: settlements okay

[5:28:55] Voice 11: so moved and you have a seconder um i guess as i

[5:29:01] Voice 9: guess i would second it in an

[5:29:04] Voice 9: amend um sure we can uh yes yeah so you seconded no you're just working yeah yeah

[5:29:12] Voice 9: okay well all

[5:29:14] Voice 9: right yeah that's what what what's your what have you got in mind for a minute um taking out the

[5:29:18] Voice 9: last sentence you don't have that it's not no that's not the one no that's that's that's so

[5:29:22] Voice 9: no but

[5:29:26] Trustee Patrick: that's the that's the reason for village containment boundaries it's about that i mean

[5:29:30] Trustee Patrick: there's there's using the words managed growth and settlement patterns that's what's happening

[5:29:36] Trustee Patrick: and it's the decisions related around that so it's well

[5:29:39] Voice 9: that's just sort of a given i don't

[5:29:40] Voice 9: see why it needs to be in there just as let's define where ganges is right

[5:29:45] Voice 8: that's that's what

[5:29:46] Voice 8: i see but anyway um i prefer to leave that because i think it's just

[5:29:54] Trustee Patrick: starting i want to

[5:29:55] Trustee Patrick: i'm trying to start using the language that

[5:29:59] Trustee Patrick: but they're bad.

[5:30:00] Trustee Patrick: Managing growth.

[5:30:00] Trustee Patrick: That's a word.

[5:30:01] Trustee Patrick: Those are two words that have not been used before.

[5:30:04] Trustee Patrick: Heard earlier today, we've reacted to growth.

[5:30:06] Trustee Patrick: We need growth.

[5:30:07] Trustee Patrick: But it's managed growth.

[5:30:09] Trustee Patrick: It's planning it, managing it.

[5:30:11] Trustee Patrick: That's what we need to get good at.

[5:30:14] Trustee Patrick: We haven't done that.

[5:30:17] Trustee Patrick: No,

[5:30:18] Voice 9: we haven't allowed growth.

[5:30:19] Voice 9: We've plowed our

[5:30:20] Trustee Patrick: energy for years.

[5:30:23] Trustee Patrick: No, that's not true.

[5:30:24] Voice 9: Yes, it is very true.

[5:30:25] Voice 9: Why do you think we have a housing crisis?

[5:30:27] Voice 9: No, I know.

[5:30:27] Trustee Patrick: Oh, no, we have the wrong kind of growth.

[5:30:29] Trustee Patrick: that's because we haven't managed it that's my point we have hurt the community i agree

[5:30:34] Trustee Patrick: absolutely jamie absolutely because

[5:30:37] Voice 8: we've had the wrong kind of growth and lots of it

[5:30:41] Voice 8: okay seconded whatever all

[5:30:49] Voice 11: right uh so it's moved and seconded and any further discussion

[5:30:54] Voice 11: on the motion oh thank you not seeing any i'll call the question all in favor

[5:31:00] Voice 11: and

[5:31:01] Trustee Patrick: trying to focus that

[5:31:03] Voice 9: motion if i may mr curious yeah i just want to apologize for

[5:31:06] Voice 9: the back force back and forth banter without you know going through the chair

[5:31:11] Voice 9: i appreciate that

[5:31:17] Voice 11: and um you know my inclination as chair is to is to uh get formal when we

[5:31:25] Voice 11: absolutely need it and and and when things are you know it i don't mind relaxing it a little bit when

[5:31:33] Voice 11: when you know to help the flow um i would definitely always pull it back in if i think

[5:31:38] Voice 11: things are getting a little out of control but uh we need to a level of formality but i don't want

[5:31:44] Voice 11: to be uh formal for the sake of just being formal so i appreciate your your comment there um so

[5:31:53] Voice 11: trustees uh what do you want to do with the recommendation number two there well clearly

[5:32:00] Voice 11: yeah i think this goes back to the order to make earlier oh okay that was captain no that's that's

[5:32:05] Trustee Patrick: the

[5:32:05] Voice 11: previous motion previous okay

[5:32:07] Voice 11: never mind that okay oh

[5:32:09] Trustee Patrick: projects

[5:32:11] Voice 11: okay so let's move on to

[5:32:15] Voice 11: To item 12

[5:32:16] Voice 8: .3 on page 309.

[5:32:18] Voice 8: Read.

[5:32:30] Voice 8: 12.3 on page 309.

[5:32:32] Voice 8: We'll go to staff report.

[5:32:35] Voice 11: Well,

[5:32:35] Trustee Patrick: that's, well, sorry.

[5:32:36] Trustee Patrick: I guess that was the, I mean, the funding I see,

[5:32:39] Trustee Patrick: like if the OCP project is going to consider

[5:32:42] Trustee Patrick: Ganges activities, to me,

[5:32:44] Trustee Patrick: that should be able to draw funding

[5:32:46] Trustee Patrick: or would we have to direct funding?

[5:32:48] Trustee Patrick: By putting in advance,

[5:32:49] Trustee Patrick: that funding could like if it's partly important that's why i wanted to say it was moving into the

[5:32:55] Trustee Patrick: containment areas being dealt with from a ocp standpoint that some of that funding could be

[5:33:01] Voice 10: pilfered so to speak let's um let's come back to that at a future meeting okay as we move forward

[5:33:07] Voice 10: to planning mr chair i would guess we can we'll we'll identify any issues addressed with this

[5:33:12] Voice 7: right and we

[5:33:13] Voice 11: may or may not want to specifically reallocate we may need some more resolution okay

[5:33:17] Voice 11: Okay. Okay. Fair enough. But we don't have to do it today. Then let's go to the staff report on page 309 and Planner Garble.

[5:33:28] Voice 6: Really quickly, I have to thank our presenter here who has been sitting through till now. It's really a Transition Salt Springs partnership, or I should rephrase it.

[5:33:41] Voice 6: The LTC, Local Trusts Committee, sponsored this workshop on the fire risk management study, and they transitioned on screen in collaboration with other agencies, worked together.

[5:33:57] Voice 6: It's a lot of discussions with expertise.

[5:34:00] Voice 6: I don't want to get into detail, but we basically completed the workshop, so we just want to bring the report back to you.

[5:34:08] Voice 6: and we think it's best to have transition

[5:34:11] Voice 6: to the poor rather than us

[5:34:13] Voice 6: because we're not part of that process.

[5:34:17] Voice 6: Thank you.

[5:34:18] Voice 8: Thank you.

[5:34:19] Voice 8: Where

[5:34:19] Voice 6: would you like me to be?

[5:34:22] Voice 8: Can I sit?

[5:34:24] Voice 19: Maybe

[5:34:24] Voice 8: it's far, then it's boxed.

[5:34:25] Voice 19: Okay, so first of all,

[5:34:28] Voice 19: I mean, that was very interesting.

[5:34:29] Voice 19: I know you're working hard

[5:34:30] Voice 19: and I just want to thank the trustees

[5:34:32] Voice 19: and the staff for all the work

[5:34:34] Voice 19: that you're doing

[5:34:34] Voice 19: because it's really important

[5:34:36] Voice 19: and it's very difficult,

[5:34:37] Voice 19: challenging work so thank you for that and so today I'm not going to go over the specifics

[5:34:47] Voice 19: of the workshop report I'm just going to go through some highlights it's I believe

[5:34:51] Voice 19: it was in the agenda package the actual workshop report and so I just want to give you a little

[5:34:58] Voice 19: bit of a summary of the key things that happened there and also just to thank

[5:35:03] Voice 19: um the i trust for helping us to make the event happen so basically just to start off with briefly

[5:35:12] Voice 19: um there this goes back to the delegation from 2021 very late in the year after working with

[5:35:21] Voice 19: south bank for our rescue a number of foresters and other practitioners as well as researchers

[5:35:27] Voice 19: researchers working in the forestry sector, that we had some real issues that nobody seemed

[5:35:34] Voice 19: to be leading on and we wanted to get to the bottom of that and we knew that there was

[5:35:40] Voice 19: a lot of interest not just from Fault Spring but also from other islands and provincial

[5:35:45] Voice 19: government members.

[5:35:46] Voice 19: So the issue we have in the Gulf Islands is one with a very high fire risk and a lot of

[5:35:53] Voice 19: this has to do with fuels and the past land use practices historical so going back before any of

[5:35:59] Voice 19: us were here and partly in due to due to the absence of the active management that was done

[5:36:05] Voice 19: stewardship by first nations that was terminated 120 years ago so there's a whole history of things

[5:36:11] Voice 19: that have led to the forests on salt spring being in this state where they're going through a natural

[5:36:17] Voice 19: process of self-thinning, but there are also too many densely packed trees, and so this is all

[5:36:23] Voice 19: contributing to the realities of extreme fire hazard that you will see in the most recent CRD

[5:36:30] Voice 19: report that was alluded to. So given all of this, and also given the realities that in the Gulf

[5:36:38] Voice 19: Islands, we have extremely high private land ownership, which means that we have a lot of

[5:36:45] Voice 19: people living in an urban wildfire interface and this is the area of the highest risk for people

[5:36:52] Voice 19: and for their property and so the fire smart reality so working with the fire smart people

[5:36:59] Voice 19: and also the fire and rescue services it only really deals with infrastructure and so we still

[5:37:05] Voice 19: have this issue of all the forests in the in and the people living in the forests that are subject

[5:37:10] Voice 19: to potential risks and the purpose of the workshop therefore was to review the understanding of fire

[5:37:20] Voice 19: by bringing in professionals and practitioners and to find out what what is known and what is

[5:37:26] Voice 19: not known and who's doing what including management practice from practitioners and then to have a

[5:37:32] Voice 19: discussion to with these people with with the experts including foresters on what the gaps

[5:37:38] Voice 19: and realities on management and the priorities are from the practitioner point of view so this is

[5:37:45] Voice 19: if I can have the next slide so this is what I just wanted to speak to today so the report as

[5:37:52] Voice 19: I said I'm just going to summarize it but really the key things that I'm going to mention are

[5:37:57] Voice 19: first of all that I'll just talk in summary about some of the key things from the prior

[5:38:02] Voice 19: of its workshop. Second of all, I want to point out that on the Transition Salt Spring Climate

[5:38:10] Voice 19: Adaptation Research Lab website, you can find a copy of the workshop date in its entirety with

[5:38:18] Voice 19: chapters. So you don't have to sit through the entire day. You can just watch the particular

[5:38:21] Voice 19: chapters or expert panel and discussions as you want. And then as we're developing some resources

[5:38:28] Voice 19: related to this and other things that are coming in from these practitioners, we're going to be

[5:38:33] Voice 19: posting them on that site. And then the third thing I want to point out is that we had very

[5:38:39] Voice 19: extensive participation in this event because it's a conversation that the province, the regional

[5:38:45] Voice 19: authorities, that other islands all really want to have. And I'll mention too that perhaps these

[5:38:51] Voice 19: are professional organizations who were involved in the planning and thinking and the scoping for

[5:38:56] Voice 19: the workshop and also participating in it and we had uh we had 15 presenters from these various

[5:39:04] Voice 19: uh groups not not all of them there it was mostly from provincial people and regional fire services

[5:39:10] Voice 19: and the largest amount of feedback from practitioners following the event

[5:39:15] Voice 19: was from fire and rescue services across the world violence so that's really to me that's kind of um

[5:39:22] Voice 19: saying that our target audience is slightly different maybe than we often think when we

[5:39:26] Voice 19: come to the course it's the fire it's a fire rescue services who are really very concerned

[5:39:31] Voice 19: about that um so um i'll also mention that we have distributed the workshop report um and the

[5:39:39] Voice 19: recording uh to everybody who participated that day so we had 150 practitioners on the day we had

[5:39:45] Voice 19: many people who couldn't make it but we've sent it out to that broader number which was more on the

[5:39:50] Voice 19: the order of 250 people. And then we've also used Transition Salt Spring and our various partners

[5:39:58] Voice 19: networks, and we've distributed it to more than 3

[5:40:01] Voice 8: ,000 individuals at this point. So next slide,

[5:40:05] Voice 8: please.

[5:40:07] Voice 19: So the event took place

[5:40:08] Voice 19: in February, and there's really a couple of parts to this from

[5:40:12] Voice 19: the support from the local trust, which I'll mention went in its entirety to paying to private

[5:40:22] Voice 19: private people so the uh the people who were not working for government the foresters who

[5:40:27] Voice 19: could prepare their time in contributing to this so we did not transition salt spring did not take

[5:40:32] Voice 19: any money for ourselves if all the money went to remunerate people for for their time and

[5:40:37] Voice 19: participation before and during the event which included you know um which included many people

[5:40:44] Voice 19: from across the region, none of whom were government. And so the workshop itself had

[5:40:53] Voice 19: a few different parts. We wanted to hear initially from practitioners, so

[5:40:57] Voice 1: we have some practitioner

[5:40:57] Voice 19: input on the realities of fire risk and how they're managing it. And then we brought in

[5:41:03] Voice 19: experts from the CRD and from BC Wildfire Services and Salt Spring Fire and Rescue,

[5:41:08] Voice 19: among others, forestry professionals, to talk about the realities of what we know and don't know and to respond to some of the issues raised by the practitioners.

[5:41:19] Voice 19: And then following that, we had a closing session where we talked, we sort of tried to identify the gaps and the priorities among this group of practitioners.

[5:41:29] Voice 19: I'll mention that a lot of the feedback was coming in from petitioners in the audience through the chat with which we kept, and we integrated into the workshop report.

[5:41:40] Voice 19: There's a second part to what the workshop support did, and that is following the workshop,

[5:41:49] Voice 19: There was a debrief physically located on Salt Spring where foresters, people who manage fires, people who manage watersheds, and some other types of practitioners from community forests, ranging from Cortez Island to Saturna.

[5:42:06] Voice 19: We had a number of people, I think that there was around 30 people in the room, and we did a debrief from the practitioners' perspective on what we heard and what people think is important relative to the discussion that happened at the workshop.

[5:42:19] Voice 19: So if I could have the next slide, please.

[5:42:21] Voice 19: So just to go back to the workshop itself

[5:42:25] Voice 19: and give you a sense of what we heard.

[5:42:30] Voice 19: So from the practitioners, so we had Mark Lumber,

[5:42:33] Voice 19: who's working with First Nations formally

[5:42:37] Voice 19: in an arrangement of community forest management.

[5:42:39] Voice 19: And what we heard there is that they are subject

[5:42:43] Voice 19: to provincial rules that were designed

[5:42:46] Voice 19: for commercial, like industrial scale forestry,

[5:42:49] Voice 19: which actually they're having a lot of problems with on the island because the scale is so

[5:42:54] Voice 19: different at this local island level and also because the First Nations have different

[5:42:59] Voice 19: objectives so they have medicinal plants and biodiversity and other objectives in addition

[5:43:05] Voice 19: to harvesting trees that they're trying to meet and that the quota system that is imposed by the

[5:43:10] Voice 19: province doesn't allow them to manage these various values that they're trying to manage

[5:43:17] Voice 19: the forest for so that was one of the important um concerns that came up uh from a practitioner

[5:43:24] Voice 19: point of view but also we had we heard from a number of other forest managers so uh bowie peeper

[5:43:31] Voice 19: from galliano island uh robert seaton and also jay zakaluzny who's with parks canada and did the

[5:43:38] Voice 19: uh the controlled burn on saturn island so just to hear what the realities are and what jay said is

[5:43:45] Voice 19: you will never like you not being under federal authority with all the resources available to put

[5:43:53] Voice 19: together the approvals and to deal with the community concerns about controlled burn he said

[5:43:59] Voice 19: it's not possible it's just not a feasible activity which means that what we're hearing

[5:44:04] Voice 19: our foresters doing in terms of managing internally and in the forests that they're

[5:44:10] Voice 19: are responsible for is the way that we have to go forward and the big part of that is this issue of

[5:44:17] Voice 19: the trees that are all the same age not just here but across the gulf islands that are self-thinning

[5:44:23] Voice 19: and they are contributing a lot of the fuels uh that are causing the extreme fire hazard in our

[5:44:29] Voice 19: region so they're actively managing this on uh as practitioners but there's no sort of there's no

[5:44:36] Voice 19: there's no there's no overlying techniques or methodologies that exist for people to rely on.

[5:44:43] Voice 19: So everyone's developing them and testing them kind of solo and independently. Next slide, please.

[5:44:51] Voice 8: OK, so so the panel then when the panel came

[5:44:57] Voice 19: in, we had Dimitri Vesias from BC Wildfire Services,

[5:45:01] Voice 19: Services, Robert Seaton, who worked across the province on managing fire in active industrial

[5:45:09] Voice 19: forest areas. And he works, most of his work, I'd say over 80% of his time is spent with First

[5:45:16] Voice 19: Nations communities. And just to put that in the context, the issue of fire is not just Gulf

[5:45:21] Voice 19: Islands, it's the whole of British Columbia and elsewhere. But what's different in the Gulf

[5:45:28] Voice 19: islands is that we have so many people living throughout these forests and so much private

[5:45:34] Voice 19: land ownership and the reality is that we heard from the practitioners were that none of their

[5:45:40] Voice 19: mandates allow them to provide resources or support for private land uh private forest managers

[5:45:48] Voice 19: including a community forest or somebody who is a registered certified forest manager that we have

[5:45:55] Voice 19: the um the association of private forest managers and they were a contributor at the workshop and in

[5:46:02] Voice 19: framing the scope of the workshop and they represent also groups on southern vancouver

[5:46:06] Voice 19: island and what they're saying is there is just nothing to support that so we're not just talking

[5:46:11] Voice 19: about individual private land owners like myself but we're also talking about people who are

[5:46:17] Voice 19: actually actively trying to manage for us there's nothing for them to help them to contend with the

[5:46:22] Voice 19: issue of fire so it was the conclusion was really interesting but on the positive side what's clear

[5:46:30] Voice 19: is that we have an incredible system in place and lots of knowledge about fire behavior and

[5:46:37] Voice 19: we have enormous capacity to respond to a fire on private land as well as in crown land so the

[5:46:45] Voice 19: the BC Wildfire Services and the firefighters

[5:46:49] Voice 19: and also Connor Corbett from Diamond Head Consulting

[5:46:55] Voice 19: who's working with CRD Emergency Service,

[5:46:57] Voice 19: what's clear is if we have a fire on Salt Frame

[5:47:01] Voice 19: and the other wildfire islands,

[5:47:02] Voice 19: it's possible to respond to it in really, really short order.

[5:47:06] Voice 19: We also heard that they are not concerned

[5:47:08] Voice 19: about an enormous catastrophic fire sweeping through,

[5:47:13] Voice 19: even in light of you know the extended droughts that we're having because there's a combination

[5:47:18] Voice 19: of of conditions that are needed you need very very low humidity so below 30 percent relative

[5:47:24] Voice 19: humidity and you need temperatures over 30 degrees now we're starting to approach that already in may

[5:47:29] Voice 19: but but overall the number of days on average per year where that happens is five and they're

[5:47:36] Voice 19: projecting going forward five to ten years from now it will be ten so the good news there is we

[5:47:41] Voice 19: we have mechanisms to respond to fire and in very quick order.

[5:47:46] Voice 19: The risk of catastrophic fire, we understand it very well,

[5:47:51] Voice 19: which means that we can, you can contain something,

[5:47:54] Voice 19: then you can identify strategies to deal with it.

[5:47:56] Voice 19: But the real gap is that most of the land that has the forests that need some

[5:48:01] Voice 19: support in thinning and management are in private land ownership,

[5:48:07] Voice 19: and there's no mechanism for that.

[5:48:09] Voice 19: so um and then you know related to that uh the point so was rob severson had he missed

[5:48:17] Voice 19: this session and uh our very own um uh assistant fire chief uh mitchell sharon stepped in for him

[5:48:25] Voice 19: and what mitchell said is that basically um there's lots that we can do that the community

[5:48:33] Voice 19: is very responsive to reporting a fire but what's missing is sort of the preventative so we have

[5:48:38] Voice 19: fire smart which has been an enormous success that I would say but we don't have an equivalent

[5:48:44] Voice 19: sort of thing to encourage people to understand what needs to be happening with forests so I know

[5:48:49] Voice 19: I've had some conversations with with trustee Harris about this and I when we both agree I

[5:48:55] Voice 19: think on this issue that that the forest thinning and the removal of some trees to reduce this

[5:49:01] Voice 19: competition and reduce skill loading is something that that needs to happen and a big part of what

[5:49:08] Voice 19: what the fire department, I think, is thinking of,

[5:49:11] Voice 19: and I believe also that our local trust,

[5:49:14] Voice 19: is that education and tools and resources are needed

[5:49:18] Voice 19: to support people to know what it is they need to do,

[5:49:22] Voice 19: and that foresters also need some support.

[5:49:25] Voice 19: So if I can have the next slide.

[5:49:28] Voice 19: So as I mentioned, for the final session,

[5:49:31] Voice 19: we sort of talked about roles and responsibilities

[5:49:35] Voice 19: and some of the issues, and as I mentioned then,

[5:49:39] Voice 19: education came out of being really important and also the reality that nobody knows what to do with

[5:49:46] Voice 19: fuels on the ground so bc wildfire services there is just no practice for how to properly deal with

[5:49:52] Voice 19: it so bc wildfire services has some things that they do but they're all immediate for dealing with

[5:49:57] Voice 19: fire at this moment which doesn't address the issue that when you look at the fire hazard level

[5:50:04] Voice 19: level across our island. It's extreme across most of the island. So just dealing with, you know,

[5:50:09] Voice 19: this year and this year and this year isn't dealing with a big problem. So what was very

[5:50:16] Voice 19: interesting, I think, is to also hear from the foresters from the different islands that

[5:50:22] Voice 19: regulation can be a hindrance. So as I mentioned, the Cortez Island Community Forest,

[5:50:28] Voice 19: they have the provincial regulations, which are hampering their ability to manage their

[5:50:33] Voice 19: fire their forests against fire properly and then we have mandate limitations like Salt Spring

[5:50:40] Voice 19: Farmer Rescues dealing with infrastructure we have the CRD who can only deal with crown lands

[5:50:47] Voice 19: and not with public lands even though they've done that assessment they still really only have

[5:50:52] Voice 19: the mandate to deal with the crown lands and so through this conversation we identified a number

[5:50:58] Voice 19: the number of gaps and we also heard some really interesting um possible avenues going forward and

[5:51:04] Voice 19: that you can get more details in the report but for example um we have we have fire smart but what

[5:51:11] Voice 19: we what we also have what the province is also testing is fire farm fire smart in the okanagan

[5:51:17] Voice 19: another area with a high number of people living in very high um hazard fire zone and they have

[5:51:25] Voice 19: this a farm fire smart that they've been piloting and as opposed to our fire smart which offers i

[5:51:31] Voice 19: think people 200 for implementing the changes on their land this farm fire smart provincial

[5:51:38] Voice 19: program gives 40 000 to a farmer and that is significant money now now we're starting to

[5:51:43] Voice 19: talk about actual significant money to support a private property owner to do something to mitigate

[5:51:50] Voice 19: fire risk and and so so that's really interesting and so that then it's like well why don't we have

[5:51:56] Voice 19: something i don't have a name but why don't we have a smart smart horse fire program or something

[5:52:01] Voice 19: like that and so i think what's interesting is clearly the province is thinking about this and

[5:52:06] Voice 19: perhaps there are avenues maybe not to expand mandates but maybe to look at tools other than

[5:52:12] Voice 19: regularly regulatory tools but but resource and financial tools to help people to uh who are

[5:52:18] Voice 19: practitioners to manage the forests um against fire hazards um so um salt spring fire rescue

[5:52:27] Voice 19: also raised the their work about the limitations that they have in terms of educating people and

[5:52:35] Voice 19: being restricted within fire smart which is infrastructure and a limited number of tools

[5:52:40] Voice 19: available so they can give people a homeowner 200 for looking at fire smart within 100 meters of

[5:52:46] Voice 19: of their house and I know that they're working with the trust on this DPA which they talked about

[5:52:51] Voice 19: and their emphasis was very much on education and in in our experience with not just this workshop

[5:52:57] Voice 19: but reaching out to to salt springers there are there we have many practitioners who have really

[5:53:03] Voice 19: good ideas about what to do and how to manage a forest but the public really is not informed and

[5:53:08] Voice 19: so that's you know that that gap is something that also came up with practitioners we need to

[5:53:13] Voice 19: understand how to manage ground fuels and reduce fire hazards but we also need to get that

[5:53:19] Voice 19: information out there which is beyond the mandate of fire rescue um maybe not the crd the crd

[5:53:27] Voice 19: emergency program is interested in the idea of the pod program maybe being an avenue for this

[5:53:32] Voice 19: so the way a number of conversations are going on from this and bc wildfire services has stepped up

[5:53:38] Voice 19: So they want to partner on going forward to look at possible ways that they could play a role beyond the Crown lands and support this information and resources going to the community.

[5:53:52] Voice 19: It's beyond their mandate, but they're really interested in having this conversation.

[5:53:56] Voice 19: so so overall what i'd say is that um there's a there this workshop resulted in um the first

[5:54:04] Voice 19: steps in a community of practice and a network where information has not been shared across

[5:54:09] Voice 19: these various entities and now we're all kind of focusing on a more a shared problem which is all

[5:54:15] Voice 19: these lands so that depending on which island you're looking at 70 to 80 percent of the lands

[5:54:21] Voice 19: in private hands much of it in private forest managers hands and yet they have no mechanism

[5:54:27] Voice 19: to engage with these people to to deal with the fire issue and

[5:54:30] Voice 1: they have a

[5:54:31] Voice 19: lot of interest in

[5:54:31] Voice 19: doing it so um so the um so we've got interest from galiano cortez island salt spring um denman

[5:54:41] Voice 19: gabriola saturn so many gulf islands national parks who want to continue to participate in

[5:54:48] Voice 19: a community of practitioners to look at various activities that are already going on and learn and

[5:54:54] Voice 19: start to see whether we can do some lessons learned and start to get some resources out.

[5:55:00] Voice 19: Next slide please. What was clear is that there's a lot of information, we know a lot about the

[5:55:08] Voice 19: fire behavior, they know a lot about the conditions that create vulnerability and risk

[5:55:14] Voice 19: and why we have the hazards but the reality is that no two locations are the same so if you look

[5:55:21] Voice 19: at this not only do you need this you know temperature over 30 or under 30 to trigger a

[5:55:27] Voice 19: catastrophic fire but if you have a slope a steep slope it's different than if it's a flat area the

[5:55:34] Voice 19: history of land use there's many different factors that play in which complicates things because

[5:55:39] Voice 19: there's no single rule of thumb that can be provided and so there's a slightly different

[5:55:44] Voice 19: approach will be needed and um and so these various this community practice with very

[5:55:49] Voice 19: many different perspectives will be um will be playing a role in thinking about what we might

[5:55:54] Voice 19: be able to do next slide please because we what we what was clear um is uh talking with so this

[5:56:03] Voice 19: is an example you see on the left is from beats and welfare services uh doing work with the north

[5:56:08] Voice 19: cowichan regional district on on wildfire mitigation and you've seen the photo uh on the

[5:56:14] Voice 19: top that's the field they're showing here here's an over dense standard forest it looks very much

[5:56:20] Voice 19: like these are not my photos it's very much like the forest that we had and then they come through

[5:56:25] Voice 19: and they they work in areas where they apply interface with human activity and they remove

[5:56:30] Voice 19: all the ground fuels but this actually dries out the forest and puts more stress on the trees and

[5:56:36] Voice 19: And it doesn't actually allow for the community and various properties to recover.

[5:56:40] Voice 19: So they know this isn't the best practice.

[5:56:43] Voice 19: But because their focus is on reducing fire risk this year, this is the approach.

[5:56:49] Voice 19: And there is no other approach that they're using.

[5:56:52] Voice 19: So there's a lot of interest in bringing people together and visiting the various islands to see what different practitioners are using and how they're approaching this.

[5:57:03] Voice 19: So just to say that you'll look through the report and it can be a lot of challenges that were identified, silos, mandate limitations, lack of information, lack of funding.

[5:57:14] Voice 19: But the positive thing I think that came out of this is that I'm already seeing a lot more sharing of information and collaboration.

[5:57:23] Voice 19: collaboration uh and also um the as i mentioned beginning that the volunteer fire um firefighter

[5:57:32] Voice 19: groups from different islands uh have all contacted me from across this region including

[5:57:38] Voice 19: vancouver island and there's a lot of interest from that community in particular in um in

[5:57:45] Voice 19: actually doing some work on the ground um so they because they know their island and they know the

[5:57:51] Voice 19: areas where they have concerns, and they just don't have the tools or finances to do it. So

[5:57:56] Voice 19: there's a lot of interest going forward. So next slide, please. I think that's it. Yeah. And then

[5:58:01] Voice 19: last, finish, because I know you've been very busy. So as I said, I didn't really go into

[5:58:09] Voice 19: anything. There's a number of challenges and very specific suggested next steps that are in there.

[5:58:16] Voice 19: And then also, Trustee Harris, I know, is a feller and a forester himself.

[5:58:22] Voice 19: And there are also some sections that list specifically some of the technical things that need to be done in the forest that would be of benefit, including revenue generation from extracting wood to help finance.

[5:58:36] Voice 19: So there's a lot of things in there that you can get in more specifics if you look at the report.

[5:58:43] Voice 19: So that's my, so thank you very much.

[5:58:46] Voice 19: It was fantastic to be able to do that. It's helped a lot with our work in the Maxwell Creek watershed.

[5:58:54] Voice 19: Everyone's really interested to come and do a visit and to see what's going on there, the BC wildfire services.

[5:59:00] Voice 19: So there's, you know, I think things are starting to move as a result

[5:59:03] Voice 8: of just connecting us with each other.

[5:59:09] Voice 8: Thank you very much for that. Any questions or comments?

[5:59:14] Trustee Patrick: well thank you i know you put an immense amount of work uh in there because i just

[5:59:20] Trustee Patrick: got the final

[5:59:21] Trustee Patrick: bullet point the whole day and i was uh abreast of all of your emails and the planning that went

[5:59:27] Trustee Patrick: into that day it was an exciting day i'm so glad i participated and uh heard that um i i know we

[5:59:35] Trustee Patrick: ended up in the right place when we started the coastal douglas firm project to end up with

[5:59:39] Trustee Patrick: wildfire risk reduction uh be the area that just made sense because you know healthy forests and

[5:59:47] Trustee Patrick: wildfire risk reduction were hand in hand and uh and there's a lot of work to do on that

[5:59:52] Trustee Patrick: and to get there so i really want

[5:59:55] Voice 8: to thank you for your time thanks for it it was fun

[6:00:00] Voice 8: thank you thank you are we going to talk about this report some more are we

[6:00:05] Voice 8: well

[6:00:05] Voice 11: we do have a couple of recommendations on page 309

[6:00:12] Voice 8: i've you know i've had some feedback and you know lots of great work was done um

[6:00:22] Voice 8: you know this is a very important stuff and given the cost and time everything

[6:00:27] Voice 9: put in it's important

[6:00:27] Voice 9: to get it right. It cost $11,000 or something like that from the LTC. The summary appears to

[6:00:37] Voice 9: put more emphasis on the input that followed the author's views and left out other important views

[6:00:43] Voice 9: of those such as Robert Seaton's Wildfire Guide, valuable views. It would be nice to get some

[6:00:52] Voice 9: possibly it seems biased um there's very important great stuff in here um and how do we get the

[6:00:59] Voice 9: biasness out of

[6:01:01] Voice 8: there um you know i would like to work directly with the authors um with help

[6:01:10] Voice 8: from david donison and

[6:01:12] Voice 9: i'd love to hear um each contributor to this such as robert seaton

[6:01:17] Voice 9: um and others to approve the

[6:01:21] Voice 8: summary that you know um maybe i don't want to get too

[6:01:33] Voice 8: confrontational right um the um i think i'll just leave it maybe i'll just leave it at that

[6:01:42] Voice 8: i'd love to um to see the report amended degree and get this right well

[6:01:53] Voice 19: um thank you trustee

[6:01:56] Voice 19: Harris I mean um you're considered noted I did send um and I'd love to have a conversation

[6:02:01] Voice 19: they uh I did send the report out to every single presenter every single presenter for feedback and

[6:02:08] Voice 19: and and as maybe most people here do not know uh Robert Seton who is a professional

[6:02:14] Voice 19: a fire manager that I mentioned working uh with First Nations largely but also the industrial

[6:02:19] Voice 19: forestry sector in bc he is a he's a team member on my climate adaptation research lab and um

[6:02:26] Voice 19: and a major contributor to the techniques that we're developing and trialing in the

[6:02:31] Voice 19: maximum speed watershed so robert um i agree i'd like to have robert's uh views you know what what

[6:02:38] Voice 19: perhaps the reason it's shorter and summaries it's always hard to summarize things and you

[6:02:45] Voice 19: you lose all the specifics but the we were trying to keep it we're trying to keep it like short so

[6:02:52] Voice 19: people would read it not as because what the reality that we found so when we when I produce

[6:02:58] Voice 19: things people don't really read reports they want the the concrete like so what do we do and so in

[6:03:04] Voice 19: the appendix that's why we put so much emphasis on you know trying to capture the things that

[6:03:09] Voice 19: robert and mark lombard and others said and and i agree it's definitely not captured in the text of

[6:03:16] Voice 19: the report so you know we'd be happy we'd be happy to um to take another look if that's something that

[6:03:22] Voice 9: that's um i think it's very important that

[6:03:25] Voice 8: we do that um because we need to get this right

[6:03:28] Voice 8: and we don't want to have any bias no i totally yeah if i might just make a comment um they

[6:03:40] Voice 8: We

[6:03:41] Voice 19: did refining work in the Maxill Creek watershed and Trustee Harris, I probably never said this to you, but your critical eye when you came up there with me and you were saying, well, you know, you can't do this and we have to talk to Workers' Compensation Board.

[6:03:56] Voice 19: And that was so important.

[6:04:00] Voice 19: And then, you know, so I did reach out to Workers' Compensation Board and we've got now connections.

[6:04:04] Voice 19: Like the connections are great.

[6:04:06] Voice 19: so now i've got connection to the um the chair of the uh wild wildlife danger tree committee for the

[6:04:12] Voice 19: province who's also interested in the conversations that we're having here so a real community

[6:04:17] Voice 19: practice the more we reach out i think the better a job that we're going to do so that's just

[6:04:22] Voice 19: i really i don't think i ever said it to you but it it delayed my project it made me have to do a

[6:04:28] Voice 19: little bit of uh jumps and uh in my reporting to environment and climate change canada um but in

[6:04:36] Voice 19: the end i think you know it's made it's made our work focus much stronger so

[6:04:42] Voice 8: i do like feedback

[6:04:44] Voice 8: that's what i'm saying to do well i'm i'm

[6:04:49] Trustee Patrick: kind of i'm excited about where we're going next and

[6:04:53] Trustee Patrick: that we have more work to do and um and that's you know this is the beginning and i think it

[6:04:58] Trustee Patrick: it was exciting and having conversations in areas that just aren't you know fire smart got so much

[6:05:05] Trustee Patrick: yeah excitement in this province and it's important yeah but it doesn't do anything

[6:05:10] Trustee Patrick: about what do we do between my house and your house when virus when i run out of fire smart

[6:05:14] Trustee Patrick: i've got a forest between my house and your house um which just undid all the fire smart work i just

[6:05:20] Trustee Patrick: did so um you know i know i've got 24 acres and i know i i could have a dinner on there for the

[6:05:27] Trustee Patrick: the rest of their life um it's really necessary work and i think we got to focus on where do we

[6:05:34] Trustee Patrick: go next um and

[6:05:36] Voice 19: continue to continue to learn so trustee patrick if i may say so they um i really

[6:05:42] Voice 19: think that the the regional fire fighters like we have these volunteer firefighters and fortunately

[6:05:49] Voice 19: they really connect to our local suffering fire rescue who is working with us very closely on this

[6:05:54] Voice 19: because they're concerned that we get it right as well and which we do want to do um and so

[6:06:00] Voice 19: that community is a really important one because that's where you start to hear the realities that

[6:06:05] Voice 19: are going on so even though the crown organizations should be covered by bc wildfire services and crd

[6:06:13] Voice 19: emergency services those guys there that those programs rely on people in the communities to

[6:06:18] Voice 19: to report that we've got this issue in CRD Park on Galliano,

[6:06:23] Voice 19: which is an actual example that came up that a fire concern.

[6:06:27] Voice 19: So, but the volunteer fire crews aren't plugged into that.

[6:06:32] Voice 19: And so there are even crown parcels that have problems

[6:06:37] Voice 19: because the local community

[6:06:39] Voice 19: that don't have the resources to do these assessments,

[6:06:43] Voice 19: to know who to contact and the agencies.

[6:06:46] Voice 19: so that in that case there is a provincial entity that can come and help with that but they don't

[6:06:52] Voice 19: have a crd person on island and that can do this assessment on galliano so we started by having

[6:06:58] Voice 19: these conversations with firefighters who are dealing with like the realities and also the

[6:07:03] Voice 19: practitioners um what what becomes clear is where those sure it looks like we're covered but when

[6:07:10] Voice 19: When you start to talk about the realities, that's when we start to get these very specific nuances of how each island is different or how, you know, where there might be a gap.

[6:07:23] Voice 19: And so I really, I have had huge insights from dealing with the foresters and private forest owners and managers association and the firefighters.

[6:07:36] Voice 19: fighters so if i may just sort of one

[6:07:39] Voice 9: of the main points i took away from that it's it's great to

[6:07:42] Voice 9: hear we can all put that out there is the fact that the air support that we would get at a very

[6:07:49] Voice 8: quick

[6:07:49] Voice 9: fashion is there yeah and um i understand about the relative humidity crossover with the

[6:07:58] Voice 9: temperature and that could escalate a wildfire possibility and its growth greatly

[6:08:07] Voice 9: and nice to hear that those days are minimal that

[6:08:11] Voice 8: we get here

[6:08:12] Voice 9: probably varying in some areas as well

[6:08:15] Voice 8: but but yeah these are realities um you know i think that the there is a huge opportunity with

[6:08:28] Voice 8: our conservancy

[6:08:28] Voice 9: land and um you know public forest lands in general but with ltc yes

[6:08:35] Voice 9: It's our local Adams Trust Conservancy lands that have the biggest

[6:08:41] Voice 8: impact for us.

[6:08:41] Voice 8: If we could manage those and show, you know, have these projects on a large scale being done

[6:08:51] Voice 9: and putting that out there to the public and saying this is what we need to do.

[6:08:56] Voice 9: And very important to get the experts involved in doing it.

[6:09:01] Voice 9: And Bruce Blackwell is, you know, an immense resource and Robert Seaton.

[6:09:09] Voice 9: So, you know, I guess recommendation number one, I would like to see it amended and have the report amended.

[6:09:17] Voice 9: And I would love to be able to work with the authors and with David Donison, with at least some help, have him involved.

[6:09:26] Voice 9: and um before we accept the summary report

[6:09:31] Voice 8: to be put out in the uh you know official manner

[6:09:35] Voice 8: i guess i need to make a point well i'd look at i mean what would be reasonable um

[6:09:49] Voice 8: well no

[6:09:50] Trustee Patrick: i mean what's i mean

[6:09:52] Voice 8: are are

[6:09:53] Trustee Patrick: you amenable to having having a review of some form or

[6:09:59] Trustee Patrick: or take a look at that are there sure i am

[6:10:03] Voice 19: i mean one of the things about bringing in people like

[6:10:06] Voice 19: bruce or robert um and maybe even david i'm not sure what david's background is but um he has a

[6:10:12] Voice 9: degree in forestry and also with bruce blackwell and you know very very concerned about the forest

[6:10:21] Voice 9: and wildfire well

[6:10:22] Voice 19: we have a policy in transition self-prang where like and that is where the money

[6:10:26] Voice 19: went we paid for we paid for people's time and that is um so my concern or i guess my one caveat

[6:10:34] Voice 19: would be if we're going to bring in robert and bruce then we really need to to pay for their

[6:10:40] Voice 19: time otherwise because they're very busy people well

[6:10:43] Voice 9: if i can work with you guys with the authors

[6:10:45] Voice 9: and with some feedback from david and maybe we can reach out unofficially to some to these

[6:10:51] Voice 7: to the contacts that we have and you know if it ends up being that we need money we could maybe

[6:10:56] Voice 7: come back at another

[6:10:57] Voice 8: LTC and ask for that but that would be that would work with you.

[6:11:11] Voice 8: Well I think I do like to pay people because that's I mean I think that

[6:11:25] Voice 19: Transition South Spring we're about climate action taking action and one of the things like

[6:11:30] Voice 19: One of the things that in my soul that I believe is we have a lot of knowledge, but what we don't have is the sort of labor force of people who can go and actually legitimately do the work that needs to be done to take action.

[6:11:45] Voice 19: And that's what we're trying to do in the McAfee watershed. And I believe in we're creating jobs. It's like we're expanding, you know, maybe arborists can do this and there are a lot of people.

[6:11:55] Voice 19: and so the financing like I don't want to take people's time for free and I'm trying

[6:12:02] Voice 19: really hard not to do that well

[6:12:04] Voice 8: David and I would wouldn't you know cost anything

[6:12:10] Voice 8: you really want to again the biasness that seems I seem to see in there that some of the stuff that

[6:12:19] Voice 8: you know that emphasis was put on some of the author's views other important views left out

[6:12:28] Voice 8: valuable views and so um okay well if we

[6:12:35] Voice 8: can work with that and then at and it looks like

[6:12:38] Voice 9: well let's

[6:12:40] Voice 9: talk to robert well then we're going to need to see what kind of money we need to do that i i hope

[6:12:47] Trustee Patrick: i mean i was i attended the workshop and i i i feel this report is fairly accurate of the

[6:12:56] Trustee Patrick: workshop it was a very long day of conversation so of course not everything is in here but um

[6:13:00] Trustee Patrick: So I wouldn't expect it to be.

[6:13:02] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[6:13:03] Voice 9: I don't want to get confrontational.

[6:13:04] Voice 9: I'm looking

[6:13:04] Voice 9: at a lot of

[6:13:05] Trustee Patrick: what has to be done to this report.

[6:13:09] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[6:13:10] Voice 9: it is biased.

[6:13:11] Voice 9: And, you know, I'm not sure that, and no offense to you, Ruth,

[6:13:19] Voice 9: but I don't think that, you know, the people that have prepared this

[6:13:25] Voice 9: are capable of not having a biased view on this.

[6:13:29] Voice 9: transition salt spring again there's and i'm very sorry to have to say this there's false

[6:13:36] Voice 9: information on the website that they're aware of and that was also put on the united nations

[6:13:41] Voice 9: biodiversity page and as well as very misleading information and there is talk

[6:13:47] Voice 8: here about asking

[6:13:48] Voice 8: for you know people to you know look at regulatory measures and

[6:13:56] Voice 9: that's troubling and uh you know

[6:13:58] Voice 9: concerning to myself and many others. There's fixation on CDF, CDFN, Coastal Western Hemlock

[6:14:05] Voice 9: here. You know, I want to get into, I think we can go, you know, leaps and bounds together

[6:14:11] Voice 9: between the two of us and keep all of our biases in check, you know, on both sides of the party.

[6:14:19] Voice 9: so i'll make

[6:14:21] Voice 19: i so first i'll just say um that the points on the biodiversity document and on

[6:14:29] Voice 19: the cdf site have been changed when you pointed out

[6:14:32] Voice 9: well they were there a couple days ago

[6:14:34] Voice 9: so

[6:14:34] Voice 19: if that's the case then what what what you can do always is send me an email and say hey this

[6:14:41] Voice 19: this hasn't been done because we don't actually have a web map i

[6:14:44] Voice 9: talked to brian about it a couple

[6:14:46] Voice 9: it might still go there's some other very i have a suggestion

[6:14:48] Voice 11: and and trustees you let me know what

[6:14:52] Voice 11: what you think about this um i'm just looking at uh um you know the rest of our work day and

[6:14:59] Voice 11: acknowledging that uh that we've all been here for a long time including staff and and i'm wondering

[6:15:06] Voice 11: if um if we want to defer these recommendations to another meeting and um that could be the two

[6:15:15] Voice 11: have used some opportunity to have some talk and then maybe when great idea then maybe when we get

[6:15:24] Voice 11: to it again you guys have we'll have maybe some recommendations on on you know in terms of what

[6:15:31] Voice 11: that local trust committee might might want to do so um does that sound sounds good to me i'm able

[6:15:37] Voice 11: to to defer these items for today and sure

[6:15:41] Trustee Patrick: i was going to add another motion to send a letter of

[6:15:43] Trustee Patrick: appreciation um that was uh i was gonna add but um well

[6:15:50] Voice 9: i'm sorry but there's there's some

[6:15:52] Voice 9: outstanding issues that i

[6:15:54] Voice 9: can't you know and i do

[6:15:56] Voice 9: thank you for the work you've done on this

[6:15:57] Voice 11: but there's

[6:15:57] Voice 9: also other things that are i hear

[6:16:00] Voice 9: that and i

[6:16:00] Voice 11: respect and i also hear a willingness

[6:16:02] Voice 11: to to do some work together and and so rather than take um more time in our day-to-day what

[6:16:09] Voice 11: i what i'm suggesting is if we defer that'll give you guys an opportunity to have some more

[6:16:13] Voice 11: conversation outside of the yes please lcc meeting and then uh and then when we look at it again

[6:16:19] Voice 11: hopefully there's you know yes at least some some clearer uh and consensus hopefully yeah yeah yeah

[6:16:28] Voice 19: i know i know you've got a critical mind i i know that about you but that's good i mean criticism

[6:16:33] Voice 19: is good that's helping so

[6:16:35] Trustee Patrick: we do

[6:16:36] Trustee Patrick: appreciate that you managed this workshop and spent an awful lot

[6:16:39] Trustee Patrick: of time and didn't pay yourself a penny yeah that's right

[6:16:41] Voice 11: yeah that's

[6:16:43] Trustee Patrick: right yeah if you're

[6:16:44] Voice 11: if you're gonna have this moral thing about paying everyone you might well

[6:16:48] Voice 19: you know i so the

[6:16:51] Voice 19: the maxwell project is running on 125 000 over three years that so if i paid myself then what

[6:16:59] Voice 19: yeah

[6:17:00] Voice 8: no i mean so

[6:17:01] Voice 19: what so instead what we've done is we've created a huge amount of jobs we've had

[6:17:06] Voice 19: I can give an honoraria to GISS students to come and get involved with things.

[6:17:10] Voice 19: And that's way more important.

[6:17:12] Voice 19: That's

[6:17:12] Voice 9: what I see as a huge opportunity.

[6:17:14] Voice 9: It's the

[6:17:14] Voice 9: employment opportunity that's there.

[6:17:16] Voice 9: It starts happening on a large scale.

[6:17:19] Voice 9: There's big things that can happen here.

[6:17:21] Voice 9: Huge opportunities.

[6:17:23] Voice 9: You can

[6:17:23] Voice 9: actually put an end to polarization between, right?

[6:17:27] Voice 9: Yeah, absolutely.

[6:17:28] Voice 19: So thank you.

[6:17:29] Voice 19: Thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[6:17:31] Voice 19: um i look forward to meeting with uh trustee harris and and figuring out the next step

[6:17:38] Voice 11: okay uh so do we need a motion to defer suppose yeah it would be good

[6:17:44] Voice 10: too well it's up to you if

[6:17:45] Voice 10: you want to simply receive this report uh and then uh perhaps customers would just come back and uh

[6:17:50] Voice 10: bring forward a separate motion i'm not sure if this conversation continues uh within the scope

[6:17:57] Voice 9: and not and not accepted at this point you know

[6:18:00] Voice 11: maybe something else that's why i was just going

[6:18:03] Voice 11: to suggest deferral and then we don't need to get into uh spending a lot more time on it today i

[6:18:09] Voice 11: think that's what's the most appropriate we've

[6:18:13] Voice 8: already heard the

[6:18:14] Trustee Patrick: wildfire hazard risk reduction

[6:18:17] Trustee Patrick: work into the ocp so that's

[6:18:21] Voice 10: where i i would suggest maybe i'm not too sure if this really

[6:18:24] Voice 10: it fits into the scope of the project to begin with um if there's a new project down around

[6:18:28] Voice 10: down the line talk about that but um if this doesn't fit into the scope it would be good

[6:18:33] Voice 10: to consider the cdf project closed and no more budget for it it's just i

[6:18:37] Trustee Patrick: would say it's not it's

[6:18:38] Trustee Patrick: not we my understanding is the wildfire risk reduction our hazard reduction is moved over

[6:18:44] Trustee Patrick: to the ocp because it has about that's about where we build our houses absorbed yeah so it's it's no

[6:18:51] Trustee Patrick: longer a standalone project item on our work plan

[6:18:53] Voice 10: but it's very

[6:18:54] Voice 9: important we don't use this report

[6:18:56] Voice 9: as is to determine any idea but

[6:19:01] Trustee Patrick: all of that was done with the crd work um and the data that we

[6:19:06] Trustee Patrick: purchased from that report well

[6:19:09] Voice 9: clearly a revised um you know report will help us make decisions in

[6:19:13] Voice 9: the future so we have some seriously uh there's some serious decisions to to consider i just want

[6:19:20] Voice 9: get this right yeah

[6:19:21] Voice 11: and i i understand that i respect that um so i'd like to get a motion to

[6:19:29] Voice 11: defer uh the recommendations on the ecdf ecosystem protection staff report to a future meeting

[6:19:39] Voice 6: or are you deferring acceptance of the workshop summary report submitted by a transition

[6:19:43] Voice 6: should still speak to the future well

[6:19:45] Voice 11: we're going to defer that but i also i also i mean do we do we

[6:19:50] Voice 11: i don't number one and and do number two but do we want to actually maybe else go back to staff

[6:19:56] Voice 11: do we want to do we want to close uh the project before we've um got a a workshop summary report

[6:20:04] Voice 11: that we want to accept that's why i was just thinking about deferring the the whole thing

[6:20:10] Voice 11: it really really

[6:20:11] Voice 10: is up to you on ltc it's

[6:20:13] Voice 9: just i'd

[6:20:14] Trustee Patrick: be happy to

[6:20:15] Voice 9: um make the number two

[6:20:16] Voice 9: recommendation and then we'll come back well

[6:20:19] Trustee Patrick: it needs to be modified is there is

[6:20:21] Voice 10: there a point of

[6:20:22] Voice 10: uh that you'd like to we need a trigger when we have to go what are the conditions that we need

[6:20:30] Voice 10: to meet and bring

[6:20:31] Voice 9: this report back um once we've worked together and and um and gone over it and

[6:20:38] Voice 9: maybe put in some additional information that wasn't there is

[6:20:43] Voice 11: there a timeline

[6:20:44] Voice 9: like do we want

[6:20:46] Voice 11: to pick a timeline line or a specific date or we need to be realistic to um realistically

[6:20:52] Voice 11: do you want to go to september meeting is that something realistic oh that's wonderful

[6:20:57] Voice 19: well

[6:20:58] Voice 11: i'm just trying to be realistic i know there's like everyone's gonna get busy

[6:21:03] Voice 14: yeah

[6:21:04] Voice 11: i know i'm not presupposing that you guys have lots of time to hammer this out between now

[6:21:08] Voice 11: in the june meeting so does september seem reasonable if

[6:21:11] Voice 19: that's okay if that's not if

[6:21:12] Voice 19: that seems like a big delay is

[6:21:14] Voice 11: there is there any stuff see any issue with that timeline

[6:21:19] Voice 11: yeah i would like to defer

[6:21:20] Voice 10: it to the september 14th um lpc yeah

[6:21:25] Voice 11: i think that's then that gives

[6:21:27] Voice 11: plenty of time and so we will make our number two we're not rushing it with

[6:21:32] Voice 10: um with regard

[6:21:33] Voice 10: to that so i'm going to assume this is not the staff staff can bring this item back we'll make

[6:21:39] Voice 10: a note to get in contact but we won't go there won't be any reporting or any other work on part

[6:21:45] Voice 10: of staff no

[6:21:46] Voice 11: there'll be no no new work which is we're just going to bring this back for a

[6:21:50] Voice 11: reconsideration at that time and potentially with an amended report right yeah

[6:21:56] Voice 8: and shall we move

[6:22:00] Voice 8: that that we request staff to close the protection of the coast of locus for a project uh

[6:22:06] Voice 11: yeah can

[6:22:07] Voice 11: we get some advice on that is it appropriate to uh uh close the project before we've accepted a

[6:22:16] Voice 11: potentially amended summary report it

[6:22:19] Voice 10: really wasn't uh the

[6:22:20] Voice 11: further both part of the original

[6:22:22] Voice 11: um project scope it was just okay so we

[6:22:25] Trustee Patrick: could so we

[6:22:26] Voice 11: could we could we could defer a recommendation

[6:22:29] Voice 11: That's not true.

[6:22:30] Trustee Patrick: It was part of the project scope. You weren't here. We were supposed to

[6:22:34] Voice 11: do the work plan.

[6:22:35] Voice 11: Let's go back. Hold on then. I'm hearing a little bit of disagreement here.

[6:22:42] Trustee Patrick: It was part

[6:22:42] Voice 11: of the project scope.

[6:22:43] Voice 11: Laura, do you think then, would your opinion be just to defer the whole both questions?

[6:22:49] Voice 11: You

[6:22:49] Trustee Patrick: don't care at this point.

[6:22:50] Voice 11: don't care okay

[6:22:52] Voice 9: i moved the salts brand and local trust committee request staff to close the

[6:22:56] Voice 9: protection of coastal douglas for an associated ecosystems project before

[6:23:00] Trustee Patrick: you second it and

[6:23:02] Trustee Patrick: absorb the wildfire hazard risk reduction into the ocp land use pilot project so that we have a path

[6:23:13] Trustee Patrick: because that's what the project became the wildfire hazard um

[6:23:18] Voice 11: well let's do for i i'm not

[6:23:21] Voice 11: not prepared to add that anymore okay can we go back to my original notion of deferring both of

[6:23:25] Voice 11: these to september okay

[6:23:28] Voice 6: so i have had that the salt span local trust may defer acceptance of

[6:23:32] Voice 6: the workshop summary report submitted by transition salt spring to the september 14th 2023 ltc meeting

[6:23:39] Voice 11: um so actually what i wanted what we're i want to do is i want to

[6:23:43] Voice 11: defer both of these

[6:23:44] Voice 8: recommendations this september

[6:23:54] Voice 8: the fire she said the fire risk reduction workshop some submitted but that's the subject

[6:23:59] Voice 8: of the report the summary

[6:24:00] Voice 8: report but the staff report oh sorry yes the report yes yes that's

[6:24:08] Voice 8: the

[6:24:08] Voice 11: staff report yes okay sorry and recommendations yeah okay sorry it is getting late in the

[6:24:14] Voice 11: day yeah so if that if that if this report comes back to us is there getting reports

[6:24:24] Voice 20: the two

[6:24:24] Voice 11: reports okay it's moved in second uh further discussion i

[6:24:30] Voice 20: hope not okay let's call

[6:24:31] Voice 11: the question all in favor okay great that's deferred uh let's move on uh page 330. thank you

[6:24:41] Trustee Patrick: and

[6:24:42] Voice 11: uh page 333 we've got uh a referral from galliano ltc here um

[6:24:52] Voice 11: Ms. Garvo's name is on here, but I-

[6:24:56] Voice 11: I'll

[6:24:56] Trustee Patrick: move the motion.

[6:24:57] Voice 11: I move that the

[6:24:58] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[6:24:59] Trustee Patrick: request staff to respond to the referrals

[6:25:01] Trustee Patrick: from the Galliano Island Land Local Trust Committee

[6:25:05] Trustee Patrick: for bylaws number 287 and 288,

[6:25:08] Trustee Patrick: indicating the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee's

[6:25:10] Trustee Patrick: interests are unaffected.

[6:25:12] Voice 11: Thank you for your alacrity.

[6:25:15] Voice 11: Moved and seconded.

[6:25:17] Voice 11: Any further discussion?

[6:25:19] Voice 11: I will call the question

[6:25:21] Voice 8: all in favor.

[6:25:22] Voice 8: and the motions carried that brings us into

[6:25:32] Voice 6: oh

[6:25:32] Voice 11: well i'm just we're going to rip through the report section before we

[6:25:35] Voice 11: kick you out or kick anyone out um you need

[6:25:39] Voice 8: a break right now oh

[6:25:40] Voice 11: you need a break okay

[6:25:41] Voice 11: take a break i

[6:25:44] Voice 8: think we're all we're all gonna it's all getting pretty hot here

[6:32:20] Voice 8: which are unmuted okay so we'll

[6:32:22] Voice 11: reconvene the meeting and we're on this the report section

[6:32:27] Voice 11: and under 14.1 we have the policies and static resolutions report for information uh any

[6:32:34] Voice 11: questions or comments on this section okay and then moving on to 14.2 on page 352 we have

[6:32:47] Voice 11: the future projects to report uh dated may 2023

[6:32:54] Voice 8: anything on this

[6:33:01] Voice 8: mr chair it may be wise to just go ahead and

[6:33:04] Voice 10: do this with the um project so the housing action

[6:33:10] Voice 10: program is still on the major projects list um and as long as it's there um and along with bylot 530

[6:33:21] Voice 10: is a project under that we're not able to access funding or a minor project to complete

[6:33:27] Voice 10: bylaw 530 so the engagement we're going to need to do um so and we and beyond that we've discussed

[6:33:35] Voice 10: you know going ahead with um with other minor projects after bylaw 530 so i would like to ask

[6:33:42] Voice 10: if we could i know that we have this housing accelerator fund going into the ocp process but

[6:33:47] Voice 10: I would like to ask if we could close the hunting action program, understanding there

[6:33:51] Voice 10: is a plan coming, but we're not able to fund the engagement until about 530 and we move

[6:33:57] Voice 10: this off.

[6:33:58] Voice 10: It's a matter of procedure of making space in our work plan, like a policy space to do

[6:34:05] Voice 10: that.

[6:34:06] Voice 10: It's really a staffing, it's more of a meeting the policy.

[6:34:10] Voice 10: Okay, and that's this

[6:34:12] Voice 8: on the active projects.

[6:34:13] Voice 8: Okay.

[6:34:13] Voice 8: okay um thoughts trustees well

[6:34:22] Trustee Patrick: i mean i know one i'm sensitive to striking that i mean we've got

[6:34:27] Trustee Patrick: to resolve the housing action task force is still existing they're getting frustrated um we need to

[6:34:35] Trustee Patrick: have and this is not something we should have a conversation when we're hot and tired and at this

[6:34:39] Trustee Patrick: point in the day if there's some way we can clean that up i mean if all all that is sitting there is

[6:34:44] Trustee Patrick: bylaw 530 um just

[6:34:49] Voice 8: delay it until such

[6:34:51] Voice 9: time or put it on hold or something instead of

[6:34:54] Voice 9: well

[6:34:54] Trustee Patrick: i just i just don't i just want to

[6:34:56] Voice 9: it's not an

[6:34:56] Voice 10: active project it's not budgeted it's not it

[6:34:59] Voice 10: has no funding so what what should what what do you request what's

[6:35:03] Trustee Patrick: bylaw 530 still exists

[6:35:05] Trustee Patrick: bylaw

[6:35:06] Voice 10: 530 still exists and can be transferred to so i would perhaps suggest closing the housing

[6:35:11] Voice 10: the action program and file up 530 replacing it into

[6:35:15] Voice 10: a minor project funding

[6:35:17] Voice 8: is that going to put

[6:35:21] Voice 8: off 530. i

[6:35:23] Trustee Patrick: know but your projects this is where

[6:35:24] Trustee Patrick: the action program i hate these lists i'll be

[6:35:27] Trustee Patrick: clear because minor major extraordinary i know it means something to you but to the people out there

[6:35:33] Trustee Patrick: it means nothing but

[6:35:36] Voice 9: they want it done right yeah if it's if it's helping the process i understand

[6:35:41] Voice 4: So

[6:35:41] Voice 11: the motion would be to remove the Housing Action Program item from the Active Projects Report and replace it with By-law 530.

[6:35:54] Voice 11: You request that By-law 530 be made a minor project.

[6:35:56] Voice 11: And request that By

[6:35:58] Voice 8: -law 530 be made a minor project. I'll just wait a moment.

[6:36:06] Voice 8: But

[6:36:07] Voice 9: that is going to, you're saying it still will be expedited?

[6:36:09] Voice 9: it will be experienced by making

[6:36:12] Voice 11: the 530 a minor project that we can do it's because there's major

[6:36:17] Voice 11: and there's minor we're allowed to do a minor if we make 530 a minor we can work on it yeah okay

[6:36:23] Trustee Patrick: talk about bureaucracy i

[6:36:25] Voice 11: know it's a little weird but there we go

[6:36:27] Trustee Patrick: did

[6:36:27] Voice 11: you did you manage to get that

[6:36:28] Voice 6: hot and tired i can read it back yes please the salts

[6:36:31] Voice 6: from the local trust committee removed the housing action program item from the active

[6:36:37] Voice 6: to projects report and request that bylaw 530 be a mine project is

[6:36:44] Voice 11: that sufficient stuff okay uh

[6:36:48] Voice 11: i'm happy to be the mover of that look for a seconder seconded any further discussion

[6:36:55] Voice 11: i

[6:36:56] Trustee Patrick: will discuss this trustee

[6:36:57] Voice 11: patrick i

[6:36:58] Trustee Patrick: do want to say this is not the way to manage people

[6:37:03] Trustee Patrick: um you know the housing task force is a group that's been waiting for direction to see how

[6:37:08] Trustee Patrick: they could be absorbed there is they're active they want to be helpful um and we didn't communicate

[6:37:14] Trustee Patrick: well to the the ganges village task force um you know we just we've got people who want to be

[6:37:22] Trustee Patrick: active and working housing action program did not succeed it did not create the housing action plan

[6:37:28] Trustee Patrick: that we're now going to do under the ocp project as a housing accelerator project it's frustrated

[6:37:33] Trustee Patrick: frustrated and i think that we could do far better and that's what i want to see with the ocp land

[6:37:38] Trustee Patrick: use bylaw project that we have work plans with actions and deliverables and we have clear

[6:37:43] Trustee Patrick: expectations of what we're going to get from projects um and that's i'm going to be demanding

[6:37:48] Trustee Patrick: that going forward thank

[6:37:51] Voice 11: you um in terms of the task force do let's

[6:37:56] Trustee Patrick: not have that conversation

[6:37:57] Trustee Patrick: today okay uh

[6:37:59] Voice 11: all right then any further discussion oh thank you okay i'm going to go

[6:38:04] Voice 11: ahead and call the question all those in favor and the motion is carried yeah

[6:38:08] Trustee Patrick: if we just took

[6:38:09] Trustee Patrick: ganges village just in advance so we need space there too so anyway okay

[6:38:13] Voice 11: uh but still on the list

[6:38:17] Voice 11: right uh okay so we have applications with status report on page 359 anything on that yes

[6:38:24] Trustee Patrick: page 362

[6:38:28] Voice 8: Windsor Plywood. What's the status on that one? Do you have any idea? Did they pay?

[6:38:38] Voice 8: That's what I heard last time. It's ssdp 23.1. It says momentum design is what it says but it's

[6:39:01] Voice 8: Windsor Plywood store.

[6:39:03] Voice 8: It is. It is coming. I don't think it's coming. Okay.

[6:39:12] Voice 8: HAB-Masyn Moyer- So hopefully.

[6:39:15] Voice 8: HAB-Masyn Moyer-

[6:39:15] Voice 10: Okay that's.

[6:39:17] Voice 10: HAB-Masyn Moyer- That should be on the note may not be in the applications in the follow up action, but I have actually added expected it's now so clarity on these things.

[6:39:30] Voice 10: HAB-Masyn Moyer- they've

[6:39:32] Trustee Patrick: been living in a tent for the last two winters nice to move this building alone.

[6:39:40] Trustee Patrick: have

[6:39:41] Voice 8: you heard from have they been asking you what's going on no

[6:39:45] Trustee Patrick: i just know that they're

[6:39:47] Trustee Patrick: anxious

[6:39:47] Voice 9: yeah when i heard that they hadn't paid it i was kind of just thinking i i don't know

[6:39:52] Voice 9: that i

[6:39:53] Voice 9: realize they're anxious too but i hadn't heard generally they reach out to me um to ask

[6:39:58] Voice 9: what the hell's going on but since i haven't cared for them i figured that this uh okay

[6:40:03] Voice 11: so then next

[6:40:05] Voice 11: is the expense report on page 376 anything on that

[6:40:10] Voice 11: the

[6:40:21] Voice 8: dog kennel okay so we're talking about 376.

[6:40:27] Voice 8: okay

[6:40:28] Voice 11: that's just the meeting expenses communications the

[6:40:35] Voice 8: normal this normal

[6:40:37] Voice 8: report oh okay places posted to the month ending march 20 23.

[6:40:51] Voice 11: okay and then we have

[6:40:53] Voice 11: have no honest trust conservancy board report and we have no swipa report um so shall I announce the

[6:41:06] Voice 11: up are we going to do a rising report I just we have that's to be determined so then we have a

[6:41:11] Voice 11: a closed meeting next and um did we get a citation on that I'd

[6:41:19] Voice 7: be happy to read the motion for you to

[6:41:23] Voice 7: second because there are four items now okay on the list so just so that okay i mean if i just

[6:41:32] Voice 7: read it yeah

[6:41:33] Voice 8: and then one of us can do it yeah and uh

[6:41:36] Voice 7: second movement seconded that in south

[6:41:40] Voice 7: briana local judge committee closed the meeting for the public subject community charter section

[6:41:44] Voice 7: 19 uh item a personal information about an identifiable individual role during being

[6:41:51] Voice 7: considered for a position as officer, employee, or agent of the municipality or other position

[6:41:57] Voice 7: appointed by the municipality. E, the acquisition, disposition, or expropriation of land or

[6:42:04] Voice 7: improvements if the council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to

[6:42:07] Voice 7: harm the interests of the municipality. F, law enforcement if the council considers that

[6:42:13] Voice 7: disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under

[6:42:18] Voice 7: or enforcement of an enactment and g litigation or potential litigation affecting the municipality

[6:42:27] Voice 7: and that staff be invited to remain all

[6:42:31] Voice 8: right i will move so moved and look

[6:42:36] Voice 11: for a seconder

[6:42:39] Voice 8: excellent all those

[6:42:40] Voice 11: in favor we'll move into the closed meeting and for rise and report uh

[6:42:47] Voice 11: I can report that the Local Trust Committee has appointed,

[6:42:53] Voice 11: boy, I wish I'd kept that,

[6:42:56] Voice 11: John Braard, Lee Large, Teresa Barley,

[6:43:02] Voice 11: and Gabrielle Wiebe to the Advisory Planning Commission,

[6:43:05] Voice 11: Brie Eagle, Ken Byron, Conrad Pillen, and Scott Royal

[6:43:09] Voice 11: to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission,

[6:43:13] Voice 11: and George Ward to the Board of Variants.

[6:43:17] Voice 11: Okay. And with that, we're going to conclude our meeting today. Our next meeting, next regular meeting in the local Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee is scheduled for 9.30 a.m. June 22, 2023 at the 64 Learning Hub, 122 Rainbow Road, Salt Spring Island. And with that, I'll call for adjournment. And thank you, everyone.

[6:43:41] Voice 11: Thank you.