North Pender Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, May 26, 2023

[0:00:05] Trustee Maude: All right, so thumbs up. We're all ready to go?

[0:00:11] Trustee Maude: Yes,

[0:00:12] Voice 4: ready to go.

[0:00:13] Voice 4: Good

[0:00:13] Trustee Maude: morning, everybody. Thank you for joining us today on this special meeting of the Pender Highland, North Pender.

[0:00:22] Trustee Maude: I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we are fortunate to be able to gather together in locations across the territory of the Coast Salish People.

[0:00:31] Trustee Maude: I'm David Maude, I'm elected on Main Island, and I'm the chair of the Pentagon Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:36] Trustee Maude: I'm joined today by Pentagon Trust's Aaron Campbell and Dan Morrison, who's online today, joining us from up the hill.

[0:00:45] Trustee Maude: Together we make up the Pentagon Local Trust Committee. This meeting is being live streamed.

[0:00:49] Trustee Maude: It is also being recorded. It will be available soon on the Island Trust website.

[0:00:53] Trustee Maude: We have some staff members joining us today. We have Brad Klett from the Development Planning Office.

[0:00:59] Trustee Maude: office. Is Mr. Dingman joining us today? He's not. And then we have Emily Bryant, who's

[0:01:04] Trustee Maude: our web host. We also have Pat Todd, who is our meditator. So we will begin the meeting

[0:01:13] with the approval of the agenda. If there's any additions or additions,

[0:01:19] Trustee Maude: I see Trustee

[0:01:20] Trustee Maude: Morrison comes up. So we have, so by consent, we will adopt that. And we will move right

[0:01:27] Trustee Maude: into trustee reports and you know let's have some fun and ask dr morrison if she wants to

[0:01:32] Trustee Maude: launch off yes

[0:01:34] Trustee Morrison: thank you um sorry i can't be there today i am traveling for work for the next few

[0:01:40] Trustee Morrison: weeks so i'm in washington dc today um but i'm glad that i am able to join virtually um a couple

[0:01:47] Trustee Morrison: quick notes about things that have been going on thanks for all those who have phoned and checked

[0:01:51] Trustee Morrison: in and on different issues um that they're concerned about or that they are just watching

[0:01:57] Trustee Morrison: as we go through. Thanks also to the National Parks for organizing the Parks Canada Visitor

[0:02:05] Trustee Morrison: Experience Strategy Meeting that I attended last month just to talk with many different community

[0:02:11] Trustee Morrison: members around what the National Park is in our community and how we can better engage with them.

[0:02:18] Trustee Morrison: So really encourage folks in the community to get involved with the National Parks.

[0:02:22] Trustee Morrison: they really are looking to to work with the community so please do that um and then maybe

[0:02:29] Trustee Morrison: the last thing just about um as we go forward in our various projects i really encourage folks to

[0:02:38] Trustee Morrison: share the pender post that i shared has a bunch of different links for june around the meeting

[0:02:45] Trustee Morrison: in june so please do share that out in social media um and you know as broadly as possible

[0:02:51] Trustee Morrison: as the people know that that June meeting is coming up really try to get that word out

[0:02:57] Trustee Morrison: and I think also a nod to our chair I know that it was a difficult meeting I hear with the our

[0:03:06] Trustee Morrison: passing of our land use bylaws maybe we'll come back to that but thank you for championing the

[0:03:11] Trustee Morrison: work we've done and we always do that with the you know intent and desire to engage and listen

[0:03:17] Trustee Morrison: them with First Nations. And I know that was a concern expressed in the group.

[0:03:21] Voice 9: So thank you very

[0:03:22] Voice 9: much for that.

[0:03:29] Voice 6: Thank you, Trustee Morrison. Trustee Gammill?

[0:03:36] Voice 7: It was, I guess, a quiet

[0:03:40] Voice 7: couple of weeks with having dealt with the dialogue, reviewed the last set of meetings,

[0:03:50] Voice 7: and I had wanted to echo what Deb was saying and thanks to yourself and Kim, members of the public,

[0:04:02] Voice 7: to get educated on something with Zoom meetings and respond when they see something.

[0:04:10] Voice 7: And so that was quite interesting. I was sending an email from the side of the highway trying to find out what was,

[0:04:16] Voice 7: was what all this happening at the executive community um which was fun and uh yeah i just

[0:04:22] Voice 7: heard have heard lots um from people positively about finishing that pilot review uh and in the

[0:04:29] Voice 7: hopes that we will start to look at uh housing as a as a project

[0:04:35] Voice 7: thank you

[0:04:39] Trustee Maude: i hope so this is friday so this must be north bend this is my fourth meeting this week so

[0:04:46] Trustee Maude: So it's all been a little bit of a blur.

[0:04:49] Trustee Maude: But yes, on Wednesday, we did get through the NACU and OCP updates.

[0:04:56] Trustee Maude: There was a moment of maybe brief terror.

[0:05:03] And you can thank the organization for doing due diligence.

[0:05:08] When the violence got to the executive committee,

[0:05:11] Trustee Maude: two of the members of the executive

[0:05:14] Trustee Maude: had drilled down and noticed that there had not been a revival in the First Nations referrals,

[0:05:23] Trustee Maude: and they were unwilling to go back to North End for updating.

[0:05:30] Trustee Maude: And what happened is we took a lunch break, and the Islands Trust organization collectively just went nuts

[0:05:41] Trustee Maude: and went through all the files because if there was

[0:05:46] Voice 6: that the

[0:05:51] Trustee Maude: response I don't know where they

[0:05:53] Trustee Maude: found it but it was found someplace else and and by after lunch um the proper documentation

[0:05:59] Trustee Maude: was in place it was circulated to the executive and it was enough to satisfy to pass the bylaws

[0:06:05] Trustee Maude: us so it's you know we don't just understand things and uh there were a few hours of terror

[0:06:14] Trustee Maude: and certainly um trustee campbell was was passing on that terror and but we got it done so i'm very

[0:06:22] Trustee Maude: very happy um and uh it's the next step for the local trust committee um otherwise it's just

[0:06:29] Trustee Maude: as i've been kind of busy um it's only been a few brief days since we've previously met so nothing

[0:06:36] Trustee Maude: huge to report just that we're trying to do the good work of the trust thank you all right um i

[0:06:43] Trustee Maude: saw um regional director brett yesterday and he sends regrets but he assures us he's in the meeting

[0:06:50] Trustee Maude: trying to secure housing for the southern gulf islands so he said that was a greater cause so

[0:06:55] Trustee Maude: So hopefully we all agree with that.

[0:06:57] Trustee Maude: And now we'll start at the town hall session.

[0:06:59] Trustee Maude: And so briefly, if you just put up your hands and identify yourself for the reporter.

[0:07:05] Trustee Maude: We try to keep it reasonably short, but speak at will and we'll proceed.

[0:07:11] Trustee Maude: Sir?

[0:07:12] Voice 2: Yeah, it's Rob Fenton.

[0:07:13] Voice 2: I'm Brent's alternate for the CRPS.

[0:07:15] Voice 2: Ah, yes.

[0:07:16] Voice 2: So welcome.

[0:07:17] Voice 2: So Paul

[0:07:19] Trustee Maude: didn't tell me he was setting his alternate.

[0:07:20] Trustee Maude: this so we just discussed it uh last night this morning so welcome we we do enjoy having you

[0:07:29] Trustee Maude: oh anybody else in the town hall session yes uh

[0:07:32] Voice 5: mary beth rondo yes

[0:07:34] Trustee Maude: oh no

[0:07:36] Trustee Maude: so did you have

[0:07:36] Trustee Maude: something from town hall i do

[0:07:37] Trustee Maude: yeah so go ahead oh

[0:07:39] Voice 5: i'm sorry should

[0:07:41] Trustee Maude: i why did you see this is

[0:07:43] Trustee Maude: me being an idiot i just i thought you were just saying i thought you said i didn't realize you

[0:07:47] Trustee Maude: want to do a presentation so certainly a short one absolutely so so we're going to back up one step

[0:07:51] Trustee Maude: to to to the electoral director's report thank you it's

[0:07:55] Voice 5: not a report he's speaking on one topic okay

[0:07:57] Voice 2: i'm i'm just uh i want to speak on housing certainly and uh uh because i'm uh brent's

[0:08:06] Voice 2: alternate i'm not as up-to-date on some things as well that's what i'd like to be but just briefly

[0:08:12] Voice 2: me on housing i spoke to brent he wanted to pass on that the crd is looking to try and get

[0:08:21] Voice 2: money from senior governments for multi-unit and there's some negotiations what will happen

[0:08:28] Voice 2: anything like we don't know but you just want to let you know that things are being discussed that

[0:08:33] Voice 2: way the crd is pursuing subsidies for secondary suites and other accessory dwelling units

[0:08:42] Voice 2: and i think you're probably aware that bc has set aside funds for 3 000 units at up 40 000 a bottle

[0:08:50] Voice 2: um what brent and i have been talking about on housing is what we call four a's and i'll just

[0:08:58] Voice 2: briefly go over those the first one is housing has to be acceptable by that i mean it has to

[0:09:06] Voice 2: be connected to proper services whether it's septic or sewer water power parking and that kind

[0:09:14] Voice 2: of thing it has to be affordable the whole process that we're trying to push is for affordable

[0:09:23] Voice 2: housing affordable generally we're talking about the bottom third now we need other housing as well

[0:09:29] Voice 2: but that's the critical one that's harder to get and we want to be creative

[0:09:39] Voice 6: find solutions like that. The solutions, the third day

[0:09:46] Voice 2: is all that. We're probably looking at alternate housing

[0:09:51] Voice 6: because it floats in a little

[0:09:58] Voice 2: board arena, but we're going to, if we're going to do this, because I think everybody knows costs are crazy for traditional housing.

[0:10:07] Voice 2: And the last A is available. It has to be available. Traditional housing could take two, three, four years to build. Just the nature of things. It's no blame, but it's just the way things are. The need is now. The need is not, well, the need will be down the road, but we want to try and find things now.

[0:10:29] Voice 2: Now, the CRD is supposed to have a report within grant advises within three weeks to deal with its position on trailers and tiny homes, and he's he's not sure what's going to happen but staff have been spending a lot of time on it, because he's pressed them on, on the on the forays.

[0:10:53] Voice 2: sort of thing. So we should have something on that. And I understand that staff at both the

[0:11:02] Voice 2: trust level and the CRD are working together on working their way through the trust money

[0:11:12] Voice 2: and the CRD trying to work with staff or staff working to find the funding. So

[0:11:18] Voice 2: So Brent just wanted to pass on these comments and stress that the CRD wants to work with the trust to find solutions.

[0:11:28] Voice 2: Thank you very much.

[0:11:30] Voice 2: And

[0:11:31] Trustee Maude: I will acknowledge that the CRD staff and the Outskirts staff have been working very closely together,

[0:11:39] Trustee Maude: but also the political bodies.

[0:11:40] Trustee Maude: is that there seems to be a very cohesive symbiotic relationship

[0:11:45] Trustee Maude: that's making things work a lot more

[0:11:47] Voice 6: smoothly than it has in

[0:11:51] Voice 6: the past.

[0:11:53] Voice 6: So thank you.

[0:11:55] Voice 6: All right, so Ms. Rundell, if you want to start

[0:11:58] Voice 6: with the...

[0:11:59] Trustee Morrison: Sorry, David.

[0:11:59] Voice 6: Oh, go ahead.

[0:12:01] Voice 6: Can

[0:12:02] Trustee Morrison: I just ask Rob a quick follow-up question?

[0:12:04] Voice 6: Certainly.

[0:12:06] Voice 6: Thanks,

[0:12:07] Trustee Morrison: Rob, for being there for Paul.

[0:12:08] Trustee Morrison: I just wanted to really stress the communication, and I think we've done this through official channels, but just stress the communication to Paul that we'd really love to have him virtually or in person at the meeting in, is it, sorry, is it June 25th or 24th, 26th?

[0:12:26] Trustee Morrison: Is this the Saturday?

[0:12:27] Trustee Morrison: day um yeah so we would really love to have him there and if you can pass that message on because

[0:12:33] Trustee Morrison: i agree with everything david just said about you know working tightly together around the

[0:12:38] Trustee Morrison: housing issue one of the things that's really important is for paul also to be working with

[0:12:42] Trustee Morrison: the community and listening to the community and what they share um fully so it'd be really

[0:12:47] Trustee Morrison: great to have him at that meeting thank you

[0:12:48] Voice 6: meaning we

[0:12:59] Trustee Maude: didn't pass a motion we will all

[0:13:00] Trustee Maude: kids are in the cooperative measures okay perfect now we'll move on okay

[0:13:06] Voice 5: um thank you chair uh i

[0:13:09] Voice 5: would just maybe follow up with with what rob has been speaking about and ask the north pender ltc if

[0:13:17] Voice 5: they would consider um adding the housing accelerator funding to your housing programs

[0:13:28] Voice 5: I think it's a quick thing the deadlines are coming up fairly quickly salts when you just jump on board

[0:13:34] Voice 5: Making its way ahead for the forgetting the funding. So what I understand

[0:13:40] Voice 5: Tender has gone as we've already got secondaires to be zoning that we're ahead of many of the items on that

[0:13:52] Voice 5: He is putting together

[0:13:55] Voice 5: These are grants for incentives to legalize and

[0:13:59] Voice 6: incentives

[0:14:02] Voice 5: for new bills or for new.

[0:14:05] Voice 5: I'm sort of looking over at staff, but it's all up to staff to get us on to the Housing Accelerator funding on North Hender.

[0:14:14] Voice 5: And that could be part of, I would think that will be part of your discussion on major projects and housing projects today.

[0:14:20] Trustee Maude: Certainly, yes. Spencer, do you have a brief comment on that?

[0:14:23] Voice 3: What I would say is that staff have had discussions regarding the funding program and the timelines are really tight.

[0:14:34] Voice 3: There's a lot of work to do to prepare the community with respect to the application.

[0:14:42] Voice 3: So the reality is that those timelines are just not realistic because the deadlines within, can I speak?

[0:14:48] Voice 3: Yeah, sorry.

[0:14:48] Voice 5: the

[0:14:49] Voice 3: deadlines are like within weeks or less uh salt spring and uh one other island main

[0:14:57] Voice 3: are pursuing that funding uh those are the two islands that have done significant work over the

[0:15:06] Voice 3: last few years to prepare themselves to be at this point with collecting community profile

[0:15:12] Voice 3: profile information, the baseline information around housing and the action plan items.

[0:15:18] Voice 3: The trust is also working on a staff, we're working on a toolkit, which is combining all

[0:15:25] Voice 3: of the work that's been done to date on the various types of housing, be it, you know,

[0:15:30] Voice 3: the work I did on Galliano last term with the two traditional rezoning projects where

[0:15:35] Voice 3: the 12 and 20 units uh you know the various forms of alternative housing uh what zoning tools can be

[0:15:43] Voice 3: used or zoning amendments could be made to uh you know enable more uh uh a broader range of housing

[0:15:53] Voice 3: so all of those things are being worked on and i think that staff have some ideas around what

[0:15:58] Voice 3: we could be doing in the short term to prepare uh for those funding opportunities in the future

[0:16:05] Voice 5: great um

[0:16:06] Voice 5: my thank you chair my point uh was that yes the housing action plan is huge but could it

[0:16:14] Voice 5: be quite small could it be focused on as an initial or a small thing that focused on the

[0:16:20] Voice 5: fact that we have secondary suites in our zoning uh i i yes so and you do have to have a housing

[0:16:25] Voice 5: action plan we're a bit behind on that but i wonder if it could be very focused to get

[0:16:31] Voice 5: get in to work with crd and see if there's an opportunity so you might be saying something like

[0:16:37] Voice 5: ask staff if there's an opportunity to just focus on something quick and small

[0:16:43] Trustee Maude: i i believe that the you know is that the staff have done sort of a pretty thorough review

[0:16:50] Trustee Maude: um kind of chat which has sort of been leading the charge and the what the consistent message

[0:16:56] Trustee Maude: i've heard back and said this is one of these government projects where it was

[0:17:01] Trustee Maude: announced with a very very short

[0:17:02] Voice 6: timeline and it was

[0:17:04] Voice 6: it was for the just to have water ones and and we were on both salt spring and main island where we

[0:17:15] actually had the currently they really

[0:17:17] Trustee Maude: wanted to do this program and and when planet shadow

[0:17:20] Trustee Maude: went up there it was just basically we're not there and the community agreed is um i know when

[0:17:27] Trustee Maude: when she laid it out is that unless you're absolutely 100% prepared to apply it wasn't

[0:17:33] Trustee Maude: worthwhile to try so so

[0:17:35] Voice 5: we missed it on earth pending we

[0:17:36] Trustee Maude: i would say missed it because the

[0:17:39] Trustee Maude: opportunity the window was so narrow that it came out of left field is um i was actually at the

[0:17:46] Trustee Maude: meeting when it was announced is because the planner chadwick was sitting there as a planner

[0:17:52] Trustee Maude: and she got this email announcing this program we have no advance notice no anything and i think

[0:17:57] Trustee Maude: what perhaps that was what maybe eight weeks ago six weeks ago it was it's very very raw very very

[0:18:05] Trustee Maude: narrow and there was there was absolutely no anticipation of it coming and

[0:18:09] Voice 6: what i would

[0:18:17] Voice 3: to see if we can do a trust-wide application versus what has been decided upon is that it's

[0:18:25] Voice 3: better to focus on Maine and Salt Spring as they are so much

[0:18:28] Voice 3: farther ahead with all that ground

[0:18:29] Voice 3: work that's required and so that's

[0:18:33] Voice 6: just the reality of where the work is at.

[0:18:38] Voice 6: Trustee Morrison you have anything to add?

[0:18:41] Voice 6: um

[0:18:42] Trustee Morrison: i did actually ask when the initial announcement came out i asked about north

[0:18:46] Trustee Morrison: penter participating in this with staff and like iterated a little bit on it

[0:18:50] Trustee Morrison: um and uh yeah i i agree with what brad's saying the amount of information that's being requested

[0:18:57] Trustee Morrison: by this um we just weren't really in the right place to be doing it i also am really disappointed

[0:19:03] Trustee Morrison: that the trust didn't wasn't able to go for a trust wide because that's the best way forward

[0:19:07] Trustee Morrison: I think, and then to localize it through the LTC engagement. So it's a problem because the CRD

[0:19:15] Trustee Morrison: is also holding a giant portion of this work and responsibility. And so the CRD wasn't coordinated

[0:19:23] Trustee Morrison: enough with the trust overall to be able to really move forward for us in the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:19:29] Trustee Morrison: Regardless of whether we're part of the accelerator, we will pursue what we need to do

[0:19:33] Trustee Morrison: inside the north pender ltc going forward to try and make sure that we're not in that situation again

[0:19:54] Voice 6: there is another intake coming up

[0:20:04] Voice 6: okay if not we will move on so we have some minutes

[0:20:14] Trustee Maude: um for adoption so through the one

[0:20:17] Trustee Maude: the time we can do that by consent um that's local trust being minutes dated may the death

[0:20:23] Trustee Maude: um any comments or concerns or anything i'm ready to adopt nothing from you nothing from

[0:20:30] Trustee Maude: customers okay go to all those by consent you know actually it's not a nun for the other two

[0:20:36] Trustee Maude: so that's cool um so we have a follow-up action list um for may 2023 so i think smith

[0:20:47] Voice 6: I don't have anything specific to speak to unless the local trust committee has

[0:20:51] Voice 3: questions for me.

[0:20:53] Trustee Maude: Any questions or comments on the follow-up acting list?

[0:20:57] Trustee Morrison: And David, just as we go through, can you orient us to page numbers as we go? Because

[0:21:02] Trustee Morrison: I'm trying to keep up, but it's all-

[0:21:03] Trustee Maude: Certainly, yes, I will.

[0:21:07] Trustee Maude: So it's pages 10 to 13. Thank

[0:21:10] Trustee Morrison: you. No, I have nothing that I wanted to specifically follow

[0:21:16] Trustee Morrison: up on thanks for updating it it was helpful to see this okay

[0:21:21] Trustee Maude: so um next up we have um applications

[0:21:26] Trustee Maude: and referrals um and that's salt's been a little trust committee referral for proposed file on

[0:21:32] Trustee Maude: number 530 that's page 416 um again it's just here if we have any concerns

[0:21:43] Voice 1: excuse me chair

[0:21:44] Voice 1: was happening

[0:21:45] Trustee Maude: over in salt spring there was correspondence

[0:21:47] Voice 1: 12.1

[0:21:48] Trustee Maude: 1.1 i believe that that's

[0:21:51] Trustee Maude: just receipt correct yes yeah so we're going to

[0:21:55] Voice 3: take more pieces with respect to uh forestry

[0:21:58] Voice 3: concerns yeah okay

[0:22:00] Voice 3: so

[0:22:01] Trustee Maude: uh there wasn't anything really for us to deal with that as a line unless

[0:22:05] Trustee Maude: you want to speak to

[0:22:06] Voice 3: those correspondence but you've had a fair bit of conversation about that

[0:22:09] Voice 3: topic exactly yeah

[0:22:11] Trustee Maude: okay so uh we'll move on to 13.1 um so are there any concerns with what's

[0:22:19] Trustee Maude: happening over

[0:22:20] Voice 6: in salisbury no

[0:22:25] Voice 9: as usual i don't particularly

[0:22:27] Trustee Morrison: think that we weigh in on it um

[0:22:31] Trustee Morrison: i i i don't have any major concerns no

[0:22:35] Trustee Maude: i think that you know i would encourage this to be a

[0:22:38] Trustee Maude: topic to be raised to trust council but maybe this policy needs to be reviewed it's i hear

[0:22:43] Trustee Maude: that from all over um so we just need a motion to to say that our interests are affected

[0:22:49] Voice 6: um

[0:22:52] Voice 6: we have that already written or is it just

[0:23:03] Voice 6: its interests are unaffected by bylaw 530. you've got that pat yes

[0:23:15] Voice 1: i do thank you

[0:23:16] Voice 6: thank you okay so call the question all in favor

[0:23:21] Voice 6: so we have a second so all in favor okay that carries

[0:23:29] Trustee Maude: thank you um next up is uh north pendant

[0:23:33] Trustee Maude: tup 2022.5 um for sketch and we have a staff report thank

[0:23:41] Voice 3: you chair so this is uh representing

[0:23:42] Voice 3: presenting uh uh this application which was first presented in March to the local trust committee at

[0:23:50] Voice 3: that time the local trust committee deferred the decision on the on the temporary use permit

[0:23:55] Voice 3: application for the storage of six storage containers the subject property at 1101 Andrew

[0:24:02] Voice 3: place the local trust committee requested that the applicant submit a plan to wind down or cease use

[0:24:11] Voice 3: use of these uh temporary use uh to the local trust committee by the end of April we received

[0:24:17] Voice 3: correspondence from the applicant with that uh regarding that uh and uh also staff have added

[0:24:25] Voice 3: a condition in the in the draft permit uh requiring uh consistent fencing with the fencing

[0:24:33] Voice 3: that already exists there to be placed along the one uh uh side edge of the of the uh area that is

[0:24:41] Voice 3: not currently screened and the applicant sent a note this morning requesting that the local trust

[0:24:46] Voice 3: committee if you consider approval of the permit that you relax the condition around

[0:24:52] Voice 3: maintenance of the existing trees as some of them have expired i think i want to walk through all

[0:25:01] Voice 3: the details of the application everything else is the same as it was when i presented in march all

[0:25:06] Voice 6: right

[0:25:06] Voice 3: um i'm sorry i should just have there have been a few other letters uh uh objection in one

[0:25:13] Voice 3: instance thank you mr

[0:25:15] Trustee Maude: sketchy anything you want to add

[0:25:17] Voice 7: to i sent him a note this morning to the

[0:25:22] Voice 7: local trust committee um should i go through that or is that adequate

[0:25:29] Trustee Maude: unless trustees have

[0:25:31] Trustee Maude: any questions about what was received this morning no i think we're good on that yeah

[0:25:36] Trustee Maude: Yeah. All right. So questions. Do you have any questions or comments about this?

[0:25:46] Voice 3: Sorry, Chair. I guess I would also add that Mr. Sketch did not really present a clear plan for ceasing the use.

[0:26:00] Voice 6: no

[0:26:01] Trustee Morrison: i just i guess that to brad's last point that has been the dilemma with the temporary

[0:26:06] Trustee Morrison: use permit because you're either moving into a rezoning or like the temporary use idea is really

[0:26:13] Trustee Morrison: that you're moving into a rezoning or you're ceasing the use at some point um and i think

[0:26:19] Trustee Morrison: the one exception would be the way that we've used the temporary use permits for short-term

[0:26:23] Trustee Morrison: vacation rentals because there's just simply no licensing program right now for that because the

[0:26:30] Trustee Morrison: COD hasn't taken that on so I um I hesitate to given the different options that are have been

[0:26:39] Trustee Morrison: presented um without a clear understanding of the cease of use I I hesitate to approve such a TV

[0:26:46] Trustee Morrison: thoughts

[0:26:48] Voice 9: aaron yeah

[0:26:50] Voice 6: i think

[0:26:52] Voice 7: it's a really difficult situation um looking at the whole

[0:27:00] Voice 7: picture of what it is because when you get into the letters of objection to something like this

[0:27:09] Voice 7: um not really seems to be about having some chicken containers on a piece of property

[0:27:21] Voice 7: and them being unsightly or being a problem or causing any kind of a real conflict other than

[0:27:29] Voice 7: it being personal and so reading some of them it feels like you're you know weaponized in a sense

[0:27:36] Voice 7: against a resident to um make a decision based on somebody's past history on the island and uh

[0:27:46] Voice 7: uh and I don't think that that is a role that we're supposed to undertake um when we get elected

[0:27:56] Voice 7: it's it also speaks to some of our housing issues that we have right now that um there

[0:28:03] Voice 7: aren't options for people and it's I don't think that rewriting a bylaw to deal with a situation

[0:28:12] Voice 7: a situation like this that would affect what would have allowed on our entire island is

[0:28:19] Voice 7: the right move um yeah so I did I I have normally not been supportive of the idea of temporary

[0:28:32] use permits in a situation where they could be just continually renewed because there

[0:28:39] isn't sort of another option or another way to deal with it like like deb has said

[0:28:46] Voice 7: um the idea

[0:28:48] Voice 7: with short-term vacation rentals being that there isn't a governing sort of rule to to help us

[0:28:55] Voice 7: uh sort out how to how to govern those um i don't know what you do in a situation like

[0:29:03] Voice 7: this with people when you know also in our small community how that's going

[0:29:08] Voice 7: exactly the livelihood and their ability to live on the island so i've i would actually i would

[0:29:16] Voice 7: support a three the three year knowing that it comes back up in our term and seeing how it

[0:29:29] Voice 7: how it plays out

[0:29:31] Voice 9: so i guess that question i would have then

[0:29:35] Trustee Morrison: aaron if that's i

[0:29:36] Voice 7: can say

[0:29:37] Trustee Maude: David.

[0:29:37] Trustee Morrison: Sorry, David.

[0:29:39] Trustee Maude: No, no.

[0:29:40] Trustee Maude: Go ahead.

[0:29:41] Trustee Maude: This is a good time to interact.

[0:29:43] Trustee Morrison: I guess the question I have is, can Mr. Sketch give us a statement of how he's going to terminate

[0:29:50] Trustee Morrison: youth?

[0:29:55] Trustee Maude: We lost you, but I believe the question was, is what...

[0:30:00] Trustee Maude: the intent is at the end of the the tp uh for demobilizing is that is that what was that your

[0:30:07] Trustee Maude: question yes and

[0:30:08] Trustee Morrison: my understanding from staff is actually that's the question that they've asked

[0:30:12] Trustee Morrison: too so

[0:30:15] Trustee Maude: we're looking for

[0:30:15] Voice 6: an exit strategy um if my

[0:30:25] Voice 6: change i will apply

[0:30:27] Voice 7: to put a residence on that property but they haven't now with honesty and i

[0:30:35] Voice 7: As soon as I can I'll make it legal. I didn't choose to offer the land illegally in the first place,

[0:30:45] Voice 7: but I had two months to find a new place to put my thing and I either leave the island and go

[0:30:52] Voice 7: somewhere where it's easy to find rentals or live here as I have since 1995. This is a housing,

[0:31:00] Voice 7: I had no trouble since 1995 renting a house to put my possessions in and all of a sudden actually

[0:31:06] Voice 7: 2007 when the um uh the Airbnb moved in in a very substantial way on tender I kept hearing other

[0:31:18] Voice 7: people not finding a place to rent and then it came my way um I really had no choice uh there

[0:31:27] Voice 7: There certainly wasn't time to apply to the LCC to use the land for a park road, and I had to find a place to live and get out.

[0:31:44] Voice 7: And it really was, it was a very crying time and it was expensive.

[0:31:49] Voice 7: And if I could have found some other way of dealing with it, I wouldn't have spent that money.

[0:31:53] Voice 7: I can't answer at the end of the TUP if I have the means I will put it out somehow

[0:32:00] Voice 7: properly if I don't have the means I will apply for another extension of the TUP and it is temporary

[0:32:08] Voice 7: in that every three years the Public Tax Committee can judge whether I have misused the land

[0:32:16] Voice 7: or not and I have no intention of doing so and I didn't for 25 years

[0:32:24] Voice 7: Well,

[0:32:24] Trustee Maude: thank you. I can say from my perspective, I didn't do it well. And if there was one spot that was remote and benign and seriously not an impact on the community, I would suggest it's the property that you're using.

[0:32:43] Trustee Maude: um it's i had to go look because there have been a lot of emails come in objecting to it and so i

[0:32:53] Trustee Maude: sort of had to go see for myself to understand what the problem was and i kind of agree with

[0:32:59] Trustee Maude: with kristin campbell it's i don't think a lot of the concerns that were raised were actually

[0:33:05] Trustee Maude: about the containers on the block there seemed to be some other overreaching issues and and so

[0:33:12] Trustee Maude: So what is before us is the issues of the containers and their situation.

[0:33:19] And

[0:33:20] Trustee Maude: I can certainly understand Trustee Campbell's perspective.

[0:33:24] Trustee Maude: We don't want a broad situation where you say, okay, there's permitted all crops on the island

[0:33:36] Trustee Maude: because that might get a little bit out of hand in inappropriate locations.

[0:33:40] Trustee Maude: So I just, I sort of get that side of things.

[0:33:44] Trustee Maude: But then I also, I look at the staff report that is recommending not approving, and there seems to be a great many rules on that side of the ledger too.

[0:33:58] Trustee Maude: So it's difficult for me, for somebody who is not from Bender Island, to sort of be sort of the decider.

[0:34:07] Trustee Maude: and i'm not sure it sounds to me that trustee morrison is lying on on to not issuing the the

[0:34:16] Trustee Maude: tup and trustee campbell is sort of leaning towards issuing it which sort of puts me in the

[0:34:21] Trustee Maude: middle so not unlike the last meeting it kind of would be nice to find some sort of compromise

[0:34:28] Trustee Maude: somewhere and i don't know trustee morrison do you have any further thoughts um on where you lie

[0:34:35] Trustee Maude: on the situation i

[0:34:38] Trustee Morrison: need us to be clear no matter which way we decide on this about how we're

[0:34:43] Trustee Morrison: explaining to our community that we're using a tup to breach our ocp

[0:34:48] Voice 6: so that's that's sort of

[0:34:54] Voice 6: apparently substantial issue um and

[0:35:01] Trustee Maude: you don't feel that no

[0:35:03] Trustee Morrison: don't no don't speak for me david i i just

[0:35:05] Trustee Maude: i need

[0:35:09] Trustee Morrison: you and eric to tell me why that it's okay to reach her house

[0:35:14] Voice 7: okay well i

[0:35:15] Voice 7: will pass it over

[0:35:16] Voice 7: to kristy can't wait in sort of in my view uh this is akin to dealing with the housing issues

[0:35:25] Voice 7: that we are dealing with with people and having um a stand down on enforcement of people living

[0:35:32] Voice 7: in trailers or trying trying to find other solutions to keep people in housing water out

[0:35:42] Voice 7: that's

[0:35:42] Voice 6: the way that i view it have we lost trustee morgan

[0:35:53] Voice 6: no no no

[0:35:56] Trustee Maude: everything's frozen on your side so um and i don't have anything sort of to add

[0:36:04] Trustee Maude: from that perspective because I can I only can look at sort of the site-specific issue

[0:36:10] Trustee Maude: and say it's it's it's just gonna if you're gonna pick one spot I would think that would be it but

[0:36:17] Trustee Maude: maybe that's not right you don't want to pick one spot so maybe it's not it but as far as the OCP

[0:36:22] Trustee Maude: goes and such I believe that's between you and and trustee Campbell to mitigate in your minds

[0:36:30] Trustee Maude: um the final

[0:36:32] Voice 6: step do you have any insight at all uh i really think at this point it's uh

[0:36:48] Trustee Maude: so trustee morrison anything further or well

[0:36:53] Trustee Morrison: i would i would press david on your

[0:36:54] Trustee Morrison: i i think you have to substantiate a little bit further like you may think that it's a good place

[0:37:02] Trustee Morrison: but staff disagrees in terms of our OCP and our regulation and so I guess I need to understand

[0:37:09] Trustee Morrison: more deeply your position on this because like I agree on one level that I think of places where

[0:37:18] Trustee Morrison: you could put containers it seems relatively minor the Stanley Lake Properties Association

[0:37:24] Trustee Morrison: disagrees with that stance they're like fairly strongly in opposition to this I do see it as

[0:37:30] Trustee Morrison: a housing related issue because I know Mr. Sketch was displaced. I've talked a lot about this and

[0:37:35] Trustee Morrison: visited that site multiple times. So I'm aware of that. The challenge that we face with the TUP

[0:37:41] Trustee Morrison: like this is literally, and this is not a personal issue with Mr. Sketch. I appreciate all the work

[0:37:48] Trustee Morrison: that he's done on, you know, with the trust and detail in many ways. It's about how we are

[0:37:56] Trustee Morrison: are understanding our OCP, implementing it for our community, or we're cherry picking what we

[0:38:03] Trustee Morrison: choose to implement or not. And I think with relation to housing, it becomes, you know,

[0:38:10] Trustee Morrison: part of the larger housing conversation, but then does everybody like, is this like a stance that

[0:38:17] Trustee Morrison: we're taking that in the housing crisis, we allow everybody to do whatever they want on land as they

[0:38:22] Trustee Morrison: are, and I'm not saying that's what you're doing. I just want us to think carefully about that

[0:38:27] Trustee Morrison: because there is, the housing crisis is not going to resolve itself in the next three years. I can

[0:38:33] Trustee Morrison: tell you that right now. So if we pass the TUP on this basis, we're going to say it's going to be

[0:38:38] Trustee Morrison: there for six to eight years, um, as things are like built out as there's more, you know,

[0:38:44] Trustee Morrison: possibility. And so we have to be aware of what, of what we're doing a little bit more broadly on

[0:38:51] Trustee Morrison: on the landscape so um and you know i've had a lot of different conversations with folks who are

[0:38:57] Trustee Morrison: very sympathetic to mr sketch's perspective and still disagree with this context because it reaches

[0:39:03] Trustee Morrison: our ocp and so from my perspective that's really what it's coming down to it's you know i'm i'm

[0:39:09] Trustee Morrison: incredibly sympathetic

[0:39:11] Voice 9: to the issue so

[0:39:16] Voice 6: i guess the question would be is there more are there

[0:39:23] Voice 7: more benefits to looking at changing our OCP to allow to almost backtrack to a more rural time

[0:39:33] Voice 7: on Bender Island when things were less regulated as far as housing and forms of housing were

[0:39:43] Voice 7: concerned and how people will use the land specifically

[0:39:49] Voice 6: given what we're going through with

[0:39:56] Voice 7: housing

[0:39:57] Voice 6: crisis so

[0:40:00] Voice 3: uh just to clarify mr sketch has had two rezoning applications one looking at uh

[0:40:07] Voice 3: specifically amending uh the land use byline cp to allow storage on his particular property

[0:40:14] Voice 3: that was rejected by the local trust committee and the second one was a more broad approach

[0:40:22] Voice 3: approach of looking at relaxing standards around storage of goods and use of property

[0:40:30] Voice 3: in that way, in the absence of having a dwelling on the property. So I would be careful to

[0:40:38] Voice 3: separate housing and storage of goods on a property, and it's a bit of a unique case

[0:40:44] Voice 3: in this situation i would also uh just advise that the local trust committee does not need to

[0:40:54] Voice 3: work towards consensus here and at some point if your discussion is over and you have uh different

[0:41:01] Voice 3: opinions then that's okay and that's reflected in the vote and for mr god here the chair

[0:41:09] Voice 3: has chosen or been

[0:41:11] Voice 3: told to be the

[0:41:13] Voice 3: decision maker in those cases

[0:41:15] Voice 3: so

[0:41:17] Voice 3: that's just a bit of staff advice

[0:41:19] Voice 3: so we don't just continue to

[0:41:21] Voice 3: reach consensus if you don't agree

[0:41:24] Voice 3: no

[0:41:25] Trustee Maude: certainly I'm willing to

[0:41:27] Trustee Maude: take the time to

[0:41:29] Trustee Maude: talk it out if there's

[0:41:31] Trustee Maude: flexibility

[0:41:33] Trustee Maude: one way or the other but

[0:41:35] Trustee Maude: if trustees are

[0:41:37] Trustee Maude: one side and the other side and i am in the middle that's

[0:41:41] Trustee Maude: that's what it is and and and i guess it's sort of maybe a little persuasion one way or the other um

[0:41:48] Trustee Maude: from either the trustees uh my difficulty is it's this is a personal issue and it's

[0:41:59] Trustee Maude: it's here um this is like a lot of times when it's the tiebreakers it's things like

[0:42:04] Trustee Maude: steps and see and all that which are a little bit more generic um and and what we what we tend to

[0:42:11] Trustee Maude: do as chairs is we do defer uh to supporting staff the staff recommendation if there's one

[0:42:17] Trustee Maude: side to the other side but i'm hearing emotions so um just think

[0:42:25] Voice 3: i mean one

[0:42:26] Voice 3: middle ground solution you could reach if you want to grant him some time to

[0:42:32] Voice 3: ceases use recognizing his challenging situation while also acknowledging that

[0:42:37] Voice 3: the community perspective is pretty clear that that's an unlawful use that is not

[0:42:47] Voice 3: taken is not likely to to be changed and so you could create a condition in the temporary

[0:42:56] Voice 3: experiment that requires that all materials be removed by the end of the three period for example

[0:43:02] Voice 3: so that there's a clear end

[0:43:05] Voice 6: of three years trustee morrison do you have anything

[0:43:13] Voice 6: to reflect on that um

[0:43:17] Voice 9: i'm happy to hear what aaron has to say about that idea

[0:43:24] Voice 6: i mean it's

[0:43:27] Voice 7: a basically it becomes a stop gap right because we

[0:43:31] Voice 7: I don't believe, as Dennis mentioned, that this is going to solve itself in three years.

[0:43:39] Voice 7: What's happening on our island is going to solve itself in three years, possibly even

[0:43:45] Voice 7: in six to eight years.

[0:43:46] Voice 7: This is something that is affecting our entire province when you start to look at what people

[0:43:54] Voice 7: are paying for rents in other places, and housing is an issue that faces us right now.

[0:44:02] Voice 7: The only thing that I can see in that option is a change in circumstance for Mr. Sketch or an option that allows him to deal with the containers in a different way.

[0:44:22] Voice 7: And I guess at the end of the day, that comes down to that part of it is out of our control for him.

[0:44:32] Voice 7: you know we we can grant it and we can grant it with those

[0:44:35] Voice 6: um stipulations i don't know but

[0:44:43] Voice 6: better than nothing

[0:44:44] Voice 7: i guess in a sense for for him um and maybe more comforting to the people that

[0:44:52] Voice 7: have um sent letters of opposition but yeah i

[0:45:01] Trustee Morrison: guess the other thing to consider is you know

[0:45:04] Trustee Morrison: one of the things that we could do as a community level is you know zone land that the community's

[0:45:10] Trustee Morrison: already named as appropriate for this type of use right so there are industrial lots on pander where

[0:45:17] Trustee Morrison: storage of materials are appropriate and we have talked in the past about that um and to me that is

[0:45:24] Trustee Morrison: uh you know that's a compliance agreement um for a bylaw to have him move his materials to

[0:45:29] Trustee Morrison: to those sites i understand that mr sketch doesn't want to do that and and i know i've had those

[0:45:35] Trustee Morrison: conversations with him but from a community planning perspective that is the better move

[0:45:40] Trustee Morrison: um and you know happy to consider that as options um it's it's a dilemma because it's not

[0:45:49] Trustee Morrison: straightforward that this is storage it's about accessible storage for for mr sketch and you know

[0:45:56] Trustee Morrison: That is an ask that is different than just straight up,

[0:46:02] Trustee Morrison: can I put things on the property without a building permit?

[0:46:06] Trustee Morrison: And so first, I guess one of the questions I have for both of you too

[0:46:14] Trustee Morrison: is have you read into the entire history of the file?

[0:46:16] Trustee Morrison: Because it's been extensive for what Brad just said

[0:46:19] Trustee Morrison: about all of the different attempts.

[0:46:22] Trustee Morrison: And that's the other thing that the community is perceiving

[0:46:25] Trustee Morrison: in the correspondence that we're getting and it's not we're not getting only correspondence from

[0:46:30] Trustee Morrison: stanley lake just to be clear like it's from other people in the community too um because now it's

[0:46:35] Trustee Morrison: become a different issue slightly of well but you're just trying to find ways to work around

[0:46:40] Trustee Morrison: the bylaw right and so then it becomes a question about well okay can everybody find a way to work

[0:46:48] Trustee Morrison: around the bylaw with a tup and so that's also an issue for us in terms of the credibility of

[0:46:55] Trustee Morrison: of even having an OCP and implementing it.

[0:46:57] Trustee Morrison: So I think that's also a dilemma for me now

[0:47:00] Trustee Morrison: that because it's, there's been like,

[0:47:02] Trustee Morrison: however many attempts it is at different methods to do this,

[0:47:07] Trustee Morrison: it's become a different issue as well, an additional issue.

[0:47:13] Voice 7: And I think that that was my comment about,

[0:47:17] Voice 7: or is this something that we need to consider

[0:47:20] Voice 7: on a broader scale for the island in general,

[0:47:26] Voice 7: knowing that this may be a specific thing but it is not likely to be uh unique or it's a unique

[0:47:39] Voice 7: situation that is will probably be replicated in with other people down the road as we continue to

[0:47:47] Voice 7: try to figure out um how to how to use use the land that we have here uh to keep people on the

[0:47:56] Voice 7: on you

[0:47:57] Voice 6: know and and so maybe maybe approval

[0:48:04] Voice 7: isn't approval specifically to this situation isn't the

[0:48:09] Voice 7: right decision but where are we going with this issue as well for the future and so i've been

[0:48:20] Voice 7: kind of trying to weigh that out as to what sort of things we maybe need to start looking at

[0:48:26] Voice 7: changing to allow people more flexibility to stay on the island or stay on their property or

[0:48:33] Voice 7: use a piece of property that he already has that is arguably somewhat undevelopable

[0:48:44] Voice 7: with the setbacks and and and the quality of land that's there um

[0:48:50] Voice 6: yeah i don't i don't know

[0:48:56] Voice 6: where you go how you morph this

[0:49:00] Voice 7: specific into a bigger discussion um for

[0:49:06] Voice 6: down the road without

[0:49:08] Voice 6: affecting the specifics of right now make any sense at all

[0:49:21] Voice 6: trustee um

[0:49:22] Trustee Morrison: and i think that that has been the question because this isn't uh just this minute

[0:49:27] Trustee Morrison: situation i i have to look back at the notes here but it started some time back um and yeah 2019

[0:49:37] Trustee Morrison: 2000 and 2019 and so that's the other issue is you know it's three or four years in now

[0:49:45] Trustee Morrison: and there is no clear statement and i understand why too like this is not to mr sketch's fault

[0:49:52] Trustee Morrison: like understand why he's in a situation like this so um one of the thoughts and and there have been

[0:49:59] Trustee Morrison: community members that have reached out around possibilities of him moving his containers onto

[0:50:05] Trustee Morrison: a property that already has an existing building permit there are some options available but they're

[0:50:10] Trustee Morrison: not the option that mr sketch would like because he would like to use his own property i do

[0:50:15] Trustee Morrison: understand that too but you know our rules are the way they are for reasons that have historic

[0:50:20] Trustee Morrison: merit to them. And if we're going to change them, then that's a community-based process

[0:50:24] Trustee Morrison: about how we do that. And so from my perspective, I'm like, like, it seems a reasonable thing that

[0:50:32] Trustee Morrison: we actually add that into part of the conversation about how are people handling, you know,

[0:50:37] Trustee Morrison: downsizing or shifting accommodations as part of our housing conversation that we're likely to

[0:50:44] Trustee Morrison: to engage in and that we work with bylaw around a compliance agreement that is respectful and

[0:50:52] Trustee Morrison: humane to like find a way you know to shift you know these containers to alternative properties

[0:50:58] Trustee Morrison: for the foreseeable future while we sort out the larger picture of what's going to be done

[0:51:03] Trustee Morrison: but I really caution us to do that as a community in conversation and not unilaterally through

[0:51:09] Trustee Morrison: to TUPs because I just feel that's disrespectful to the community on a whole.

[0:51:17] Voice 6: I agree.

[0:51:20] Voice 6: I just, it doesn't solve this specific one, right?

[0:51:25] Voice 6: The only other potential

[0:51:34] Trustee Maude: would be to find the TUP and then do a do not enforce motion

[0:51:42] Trustee Maude: um that would sort of put things somewhat in advance until a discussion takes place

[0:51:49] Trustee Maude: i don't if this is deferring it would accomplish the same thing i just don't know if that's

[0:51:55] Trustee Maude: another way of circling around on that um uh i just there's many ways of dealing with this and

[0:52:03] Trustee Maude: i don't know if that's that is an option that trustees would want to consider potentially so

[0:52:08] Trustee Maude: So Trustee Morrison, anything?

[0:52:10] Trustee Morrison: Can I ask a question of, Brad, I'm not sure if you know this or if this is a question

[0:52:15] Trustee Morrison: for Warren, but if we defer to UP to sort of sort out maybe even just the project scoping

[0:52:23] Trustee Morrison: for our housing, like, is that something that would then defer any bylaw enforcement on

[0:52:29] Trustee Morrison: the property for Mr. Sketch because he is still in the sort of process of considering

[0:52:33] Trustee Morrison: an application?

[0:52:34] Trustee Morrison: I

[0:52:37] Voice 6: mean, you can pass a resolution seeking that enforcement be deferred.

[0:52:46] Voice 6: Enforcement

[0:52:47] Voice 3: wouldn't be automatic.

[0:52:49] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:52:50] Voice 3: You could choose not to, but I don't entirely follow the script of what benefit it would be to scope that work out in terms of deciding if this is an appropriate land use or not.

[0:53:02] Voice 3: yeah

[0:53:06] Trustee Morrison: i think it's more like from my perspective i think the the storage of personal goods if

[0:53:13] Trustee Morrison: you're moving as part of a housing issue is more about where on our landscape we deem that to be

[0:53:19] Trustee Morrison: appropriate right so that would be the sort of piece of the housing issue that is connected to

[0:53:25] Trustee Morrison: that um almost all of the the thinking that i've heard in community so far on that is actually

[0:53:33] Trustee Morrison: about existing industrial property or community service designated property that you know is is

[0:53:40] Trustee Morrison: just more communally centered um that's not something that Mr. Sketch has as far as I

[0:53:46] Trustee Morrison: understand has um been sort of interested in because he has his own property that he's using

[0:53:53] Trustee Morrison: right now in you know against our land use bylaws and wants to be legalized um and I do appreciate

[0:54:00] Trustee Morrison: that he's tried to find ways to to make it legal i understand that but it it does just seem like

[0:54:06] Trustee Morrison: it's you know it's more about the financial component of having property that's unused

[0:54:12] Trustee Morrison: right now um it's not developed it can be developed that property can be developed it

[0:54:17] Trustee Morrison: just requires uh um some work on geotechnical because it has a geotechnical zone behind it

[0:54:23] Trustee Morrison: um but it can be developed so it's not a piece of land that's not usable for anything else

[0:54:34] Voice 3: I must say, through all my conversations around housing, the storage of people's goods is

[0:54:39] Voice 3: not a common problem that I'm hearing as part of the crisis.

[0:54:44] Voice 3: So I do think that this is a fairly unique situation that's in front of the trust committee,

[0:54:51] Voice 3: in that it's your choice to defer or not,

[0:54:56] Voice 3: but you've already deferred it once,

[0:54:58] Voice 3: and it's four or five years now

[0:55:03] Voice 6: that the actions have been occurring.

[0:55:07] Voice 6: So I think this is a

[0:55:09] Voice 6: pathway to

[0:55:11] Voice 3: either indicate

[0:55:12] Voice 3: that you think the temporary use is acceptable

[0:55:16] Voice 3: or after all the effort through by-law enforcement

[0:55:22] Voice 3: to further clarify that the structures need to be removed to adhere to

[0:55:28] Voice 6: the by-law.

[0:55:30] Voice 6: That's just my view.

[0:55:32] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:55:38] Voice 6: So, are we at the

[0:55:39] Trustee Maude: point of somebody wanting to make a motion?

[0:55:44] Trustee Maude: Or do we want to explore further thoughts?

[0:55:47] Trustee Maude: Where are we landing right now?

[0:55:51] Trustee Morrison: Well, I can put a motion on the table. Sorry, Aaron.

[0:55:55] Trustee Morrison: and

[0:55:55] Voice 7: it's just going to say it's I don't know that we have a clear don't think that there's

[0:56:05] Voice 7: a clear resolution for what it is specific to this so

[0:56:10] Trustee Maude: so so basically the option of the table

[0:56:12] Trustee Maude: are to approve to deny or defer I would say at this point so those would be the I believe that

[0:56:21] of the three optional

[0:56:24] Trustee Maude: motions there because there's a steam now i don't know if that's an

[0:56:29] Trustee Maude: upgrade or definitely

[0:56:31] Voice 4: not a lateral question you have a choice to leave sorry yes this is true um

[0:56:39] Voice 4: or to uh approve with

[0:56:41] Voice 6: uh additional conditions okay fair enough so with the pleasure of a local

[0:56:52] Voice 6: trust committee if

[0:56:53] Trustee Maude: somebody wanted proponents around so

[0:56:56] Trustee Morrison: i'm going to go ahead and move that

[0:56:59] Trustee Morrison: the north pender island local trust committee not approved the issuance of temporary use permit

[0:57:03] Trustee Morrison: application nptup 2022.5 sketch that

[0:57:13] Voice 6: can do like this yeah i can second that i guess okay so so

[0:57:19] Trustee Maude: trustee campbell's has seconded for discussion so we'll have some little discussion here

[0:57:26] Trustee Maude: um anybody want to start off i think we kind of discussed that

[0:57:31] but

[0:57:31] Voice 6: i think that's yeah okay yeah

[0:57:42] Trustee Morrison: i have no further additions i think i've said what i had

[0:57:44] Trustee Morrison: to say and again this is not a personal issue for me to mr sketch i actually value mr sketch's input

[0:57:50] Trustee Morrison: in the north pender local trust committee if anything this is a conflict and not a conflict

[0:57:55] Trustee Morrison: of interest because i have a conflict of interest here but like it's a personal conflict for me

[0:57:59] Trustee Morrison: because i understand the situation he's in i just feel like as a decision maker for the community i

[0:58:04] Trustee Morrison: i can't i can't approve this okay

[0:58:10] Voice 6: so all questions all in favor and

[0:58:14] Trustee Maude: so let's and i will be voting and

[0:58:17] Trustee Maude: basically in support of the staff report because that's kind of where we have to land so we'll call

[0:58:24] Trustee Maude: all that carries in with what Trustee Campbell posed.

[0:58:29] Trustee Maude: And is there any interest in discussing

[0:58:36] Trustee Maude: deferring file enforcement or do not enforce motion?

[0:58:40] Trustee Maude: So Trustee Morrison.

[0:58:43] Trustee Morrison: Well, I would rather give the lead

[0:58:46] Trustee Morrison: to Trustee Campbell on this.

[0:58:48] Trustee Morrison: I'm open to the discussion.

[0:58:50] Trustee Morrison: So, but you know, it's Trustee Campbell who voted against.

[0:58:53] Trustee Morrison: so i think it's worthwhile for him i just

[0:58:56] Voice 7: think it's important to i mean regardless of

[0:59:01] Voice 7: i think it's important to give people an appropriate amount of time to deal with

[0:59:06] Voice 7: sort of the realization of where they're at with things and and um so i think i don't know what

[0:59:14] Voice 7: sits as an appropriate amount of time would you figure i mean it's a big thing to try to figure

[0:59:25] Voice 7: And we do, to Deb's point earlier about having land that is zoned industrial that could be used for storage.

[0:59:36] Voice 7: The other issue with that is people accepting having their land used as storage.

[0:59:45] Voice 7: I know of a couple of properties that would fall into that category and easily provide accessible storage.

[0:59:53] Voice 7: But the people that own those pieces of property are not interested at all in having any sort of a storage.

[1:00:00] Voice 7: facility on their property so there isn't we aren't really able to offer somebody an option

[1:00:10] Voice 7: necessarily in in um how they might solve this either so so

[1:00:17] Trustee Maude: would it be worthwhile to request

[1:00:21] Trustee Maude: um that mr dingman attend the next ltc meeting to discuss a compliance agreement with this

[1:00:31] Trustee Morrison: No, I think that would be helpful, David, and I think if if if Warren can come to us with the bylaw enforcement plan around this that is takes into account before any additional enforcement to just like think about what the appropriate step is and we can talk with Mr.

[1:00:53] Trustee Morrison: Mr. Sketch, any in turn?

[1:00:56] Voice 6: Do you need a motion

[1:00:57] Trustee Maude: to that effect?

[1:00:59] Voice 3: I think that would be good, yeah.

[1:01:01] Voice 3: Perhaps that the North Pender Local Trust Committee

[1:01:05] Voice 3: direct bylaw enforcement staff

[1:01:08] Voice 3: to initiate a compliance agreement

[1:01:14] Voice 3: with Michael Sketch

[1:01:17] Voice 3: and to attend the July 28 LTC meeting

[1:01:24] Voice 3: to provide an update we don't have a June meeting June is the Saturday special meeting

[1:01:29] Voice 3: um so do you have that to

[1:01:33] Voice 1: direct the bylaw enforcement staff to initiate a compliance

[1:01:38] Voice 1: agreement with Mr. Skech and to attend the July 28th LTC meeting that's that's correct

[1:01:46] Voice 3: okay do we have a mover maybe just add to provide an update at the end of that

[1:01:51] Voice 3: provide an update oh

[1:01:54] Voice 1: and oh okay so to meet with Mr. Sketch and provide an update at the July 28th

[1:01:58] Voice 1: LTC meeting yes

[1:02:00] Trustee Maude: please thank you yes yeah so

[1:02:04] Trustee Maude: so moved by Trustee Morrison seconded by Trustee

[1:02:07] Trustee Maude: Campbell for the discussion no I

[1:02:09] Trustee Morrison: think that's helpful just the comment here I would say is just

[1:02:14] Trustee Morrison: that you know we understand that there's a lot of things that Mr. Sketch has and that the housing

[1:02:20] Trustee Morrison: in situations that caused his move in this school um and so just trying to figure out what that next

[1:02:26] Trustee Morrison: step is um would be helpful thank

[1:02:30] Voice 6: you okay so call the question on favor that carries thank you all

[1:02:37] Voice 6: right next one we have

[1:02:40] Trustee Maude: north pender development director 2023.2 and np don't permit and dp

[1:02:49] Trustee Maude: p 2023.1 and same for the staff report thank

[1:02:55] Voice 3: you chair so this is an application for a development

[1:03:00] Voice 3: variance permit and a development permit for the property located at 7 943 plucker way staff are

[1:03:07] Voice 3: making the recommendations that the interest committee approved the development permit as

[1:03:12] Voice 3: well as the development variance permit. The project is in consideration of the removal

[1:03:21] Voice 3: of the existing dwelling on the property and the replacement of that dwelling with the

[1:03:26] Voice 3: new dwelling with a slightly larger footprint as well as the construction of a garage.

[1:03:33] Voice 3: The house is sited within three development permit areas as well as

[1:03:41] Voice 3: given uh the geography of the property as you can see on the map in figure one

[1:03:47] Voice 3: the 15 meter natural boundary of the sea essentially intersects the existing house

[1:03:54] Voice 3: every point and they are also seeking a development permit for uh development

[1:04:02] Voice 3: with the woodland ecosystem, herbaceous sensitive ecosystem, and intertidal sensitive ecosystem

[1:04:12] Voice 3: development permit areas.

[1:04:14] Voice 3: So the biologist is with me today, Mr. Thompson.

[1:04:19] Voice 3: You can speak to any questions you have

[1:04:21] Voice 3: regarding this report, which is summarized on page 57

[1:04:27] Voice 3: of the application package with the conclusion that the development is reasonable if all

[1:04:38] Voice 3: the recommendations of this report are implemented and all of those recommendations are included

[1:04:44] Voice 3: in the attached development permit.

[1:04:48] Voice 3: With respect to the development variance, as I spoke to, clause 3.71 requires that all

[1:04:56] Voice 3: structures be sited within,

[1:04:58] Voice 6: sited

[1:05:00] Voice 3: at least 15 meters upland of the natural boundary of the sea.

[1:05:03] Voice 3: In this case the proposed dwelling is not, so they're seeking variance for that.

[1:05:11] Voice 3: With the closest point of that new structure to being 7.5 meters upland of the natural

[1:05:17] Voice 3: boundary of the sea. They're also siting their garage in the panhandle portion of the

[1:05:24] Voice 3: the lot the the garage is in the development permit areas but it is sited outside of any

[1:05:32] Voice 3: standard setbacks so there's no development variance required there one letter has been

[1:05:38] Voice 3: submitted by a neighbor expressing concerns with the various based on habitat impacts

[1:05:45] Voice 3: as well as impacts to potential wildlife corridors overall inappropriateness of the development

[1:05:53] Voice 3: involvement and also the impact of sight lines from that particular resident's home a number of

[1:06:00] Voice 3: other letters have been submitted by neighbors expressing support for the application there

[1:06:06] Voice 3: has been a septic assessment provided a letter that concludes that the septic can occur in the

[1:06:13] Voice 3: existing location and so no variants or specific

[1:06:19] Voice 6: measures are required with respect to that

[1:06:26] Voice 6: and i think one key point

[1:06:29] Voice 6: i would make i think

[1:06:30] Voice 3: is that with respect to the two permits that

[1:06:34] Voice 3: you're considering approval of here uh with development variance permits the local trust

[1:06:40] Voice 3: committee has full discretion as to whether to approve the permit or not or to seek amendments

[1:06:46] Voice 3: to the plan if

[1:06:48] Voice 3: there are aspects of the application that you don't like with respect to the

[1:06:52] Voice 3: the development permit, you have less opportunity to have full discussion as the Local Government

[1:07:06] Voice 3: Act framework for development permits establishes that guidelines must be created and if an

[1:07:15] Voice 3: applicant can demonstrate that they're reasonably meeting those guidelines, then the development

[1:07:20] Voice 3: permit must be approved. So with respect to the development permit, you can evaluate the

[1:07:25] Voice 3: permit conditions of the project development. You can seek additional conditions or other

[1:07:30] Voice 3: requirements if, in your view, those specific guidelines aren't met, but you have less

[1:07:39] Voice 3: discretion to say no. So staff would recommend that you first consider the development variance

[1:07:43] Voice 3: And from there, depending on what you conclude, then consider.

[1:07:51] Voice 3: So I'll pass it back to you, Chair. Thank

[1:07:53] Trustee Maude: you very much.

[1:07:54] Trustee Maude: I will say it's a very extensive package.

[1:07:59] Trustee Maude: It's nice to see these because it answers a question.

[1:08:02] Trustee Maude: Because oftentimes we get applications and you're going, what about septic?

[1:08:07] Trustee Maude: What about this? What about that? And you guys have done a very good job of picking all the question boxes.

[1:08:13] Trustee Maude: so that's very much appreciated so

[1:08:14] Voice 3: i would also add that the consultants dwayne here is the uh

[1:08:19] Voice 3: the architect architect consultant well done sir

[1:08:23] Trustee Maude: um so i don't know if um trustees want to

[1:08:26] Trustee Maude: ask questions sorry or we want the applicant to make a statement or not what's your pleasure to

[1:08:31] Trustee Maude: proceed usually

[1:08:33] Trustee Morrison: i'd love to okay

[1:08:36] Trustee Maude: so if the outcome was wants to like a brief statement about

[1:08:39] Trustee Maude: your application we'd love to hear from you thank you yeah

[1:08:43] Voice 7: my name is william ensign and

[1:08:46] um i

[1:08:47] Voice 7: am with billiard design and uh working for clients here on this on this project um

[1:08:53] Voice 7: originally when i came to uh the original dwelling it's around 640 square feet in terms of main floor

[1:09:02] Voice 7: there's a few more hundred square feet downstairs which is accessible only by going outside the

[1:09:08] Voice 7: house um and ultimately really what we're looking for is making that house that um if we did any

[1:09:15] Voice 7: addition to this place or sort of any alteration to it because of the original construction of the

[1:09:24] Voice 7: original building that's there right now there is one strict footing and i think i don't know

[1:09:30] Voice 7: four or five pad footings that hold it up and really what we're looking for is is a comfortable

[1:09:36] Voice 7: building that feels safe um and that would be built to like a um uh an uh energy um statement

[1:09:47] Voice 7: that that is like near net zero net zero already so um ultimately it's it's a new house that's

[1:09:55] Voice 7: about 20 bigger and if you look at where the original house is now and what the proposed

[1:10:01] Voice 7: this house is

[1:10:01] Voice 7: it's like we've tried um as much as possible to going through the guidelines um

[1:10:09] Voice 7: you know looking at all the herbaceous woodlands intertidal all those recommendations about what

[1:10:15] Voice 7: what is is sort of trying to achieve and we tried to meet basically all of them which

[1:10:22] Voice 7: i think we pretty much met all of them um so ultimately um we we feel that um it's reasonable

[1:10:35] Voice 7: what we've designed is a reasonable space to live in um it's modest we've maintained the balance uh

[1:10:42] Voice 7: for needs of the client while minimizing the impact on ecology on the neighbors

[1:10:53] Voice 7: we maintain as much of the neighbors view with one way or the other um we've notified and consulted

[1:11:00] Voice 7: with the neighbors to discuss the project prior to your notification that this is happening so

[1:11:07] Voice 7: we're trying to be a little proactive that way we need simplicity of the house for compliance

[1:11:12] Voice 7: clients and net zero planning uh we're looking at water reclamation for flushing as well as

[1:11:19] Voice 7: if you look at if you've read some of the reports they're

[1:11:26] Voice 7: and watering or gardening with some of the new trees that we're planting

[1:11:30] Voice 7: on the site neighbors i'm sorry our clients have already planted

[1:11:37] Voice 7: five gary oaks and i think there's another four arbutus trees that are in pots kind of

[1:11:44] Voice 7: Gareth J. ready to get planted as well as part of what they're trying to achieve, and in that respect, trying to keep the tree impact minimum for the new build and reduce the visual impact of the house.

[1:12:06] Voice 7: maintaining the land and aquatic wildlife

[1:12:09] Voice 7: away from the trees as much as we can and kind of keeping it in that area where we could still

[1:12:17] Voice 7: drive around get a fire or emergency crews in if we really need to maintain with an accessible

[1:12:23] Voice 7: the ecosystem maintaining dpa6 for the intertidal and i guess just to wrap up

[1:12:32] Voice 7: we feel that with these items in mind and the design of this project with the variances

[1:12:43] Voice 7: don't really challenge the overall intent of the bylaw it is a unique property okay quite

[1:12:51] Voice 7: challenging and we feel that there's been a lot of thoughtful design and intense intentionality

[1:12:58] Voice 7: and putting the package together um so unique for sure challenging definitely

[1:13:05] Voice 6: um any kind of addition

[1:13:12] Voice 7: renovation would be cost prohibitive just based on structural components so

[1:13:19] Voice 7: So we feel that we have a great opportunity here to do what we've requested with minimal

[1:13:26] Voice 7: impact and a high degree of excellence design-wise and visual-wise thoughtfulness and consideration.

[1:13:33] Voice 7: And so we trust that it's within your purview to approve what we presented here today.

[1:13:43] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:13:44] Voice 7: So Trustee Hayes, any questions?

[1:13:48] Voice 7: One thing, so I know for myself and I think Deb had the opportunity as well, we both have been down to site visit and spent quite a bit of time down discussing it.

[1:14:01] Voice 7: So I don't know if there's much more that could be said for me at least.

[1:14:11] Voice 7: yeah

[1:14:12] Trustee Morrison: this type of um you know this is a tricky lot man this is a tricky lot to build on with

[1:14:18] Trustee Morrison: setbacks from neighbors setbacks from c and it's you know just in the creation of small lots like

[1:14:24] Trustee Morrison: this this is a really challenging one because of um it's kind of pinned in on all different sides

[1:14:30] Trustee Morrison: i really appreciate actually what's being proposed here that you're not actually

[1:14:34] Trustee Morrison: actually moving the footprint because the footprint is like building right on the footprint

[1:14:39] Trustee Morrison: is going to be the least impact on this site um and you know for for all the folks that um i

[1:14:47] Trustee Morrison: completely understand the neighbors concerns about their sight lines but the bylaws allow for the

[1:14:52] Trustee Morrison: building of a house to a certain height and there was no there's no you know this site actually

[1:15:01] Trustee Morrison: would be tricky to build in any other place the house and so it is legally allowed to be a certain

[1:15:08] Trustee Morrison: height so the height kind of concern I don't think it's something that we can say yay or nay to just

[1:15:16] Trustee Morrison: based on the fact that there was a shorter building there historically so I actually think that this

[1:15:23] Trustee Morrison: is what we have variance permits for like to be able to allow for this type of thing and I think

[1:15:28] Trustee Morrison: i really appreciate the applicants actually taking time to think about how to do the least impactful

[1:15:34] Trustee Morrison: um you know rebuild of a property in this space so um i'm for this permit thank you

[1:15:43] Voice 6: so if there's no further discussion somebody want to mix the emotions

[1:15:49] Voice 6: they are on page 53 yes yeah

[1:15:56] Trustee Morrison: one at a time i think oh no both at the same time

[1:16:02] Voice 7: that the north bender island local trust committee approved issuance of development permit npdp

[1:16:08] Voice 7: 20 23.1 ensign second trustee morrison any further discussion follow question all favor

[1:16:17] Voice 7: that carries and then the north bender island and the local trust committee approved issuance

[1:16:23] Voice 7: of Development Variance Permit NPDVP 2023.2 and second. Seconded. Okay any further discussion?

[1:16:34] Trustee Maude: Call the question all in favor? Okay thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you

[1:16:40] Trustee Morrison: for doing the

[1:16:41] Trustee Morrison: work. This is like I really appreciated the thoughtfulness and being able to tour the site

[1:16:46] Trustee Morrison: and understand it. Thank you.

[1:16:49] Voice 7: Thanks for coming out.

[1:17:17] Voice 6: pretty similar

[1:17:17] Voice 7: two highlights

[1:17:26] Trustee Maude: all right uh so next up um i don't know if you guys want to deal with this or not it's not

[1:17:31] Trustee Maude: can i

[1:17:42] Voice 6: move

[1:17:47] Voice 9: the motion and then we can talk about it

[1:17:49] Voice 9: sure okay

[1:17:52] Trustee Morrison: i'm like excited to be able to move this motion like how many how long has this been

[1:17:59] Trustee Morrison: um that the north pander island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 224 said it

[1:18:05] Trustee Morrison: is the north pander island local bylaw number 224 2020 to be adopted

[1:18:15] Voice 6: i

[1:18:16] Trustee Morrison: just really appreciate trying to come to a space where we can

[1:18:19] Trustee Morrison: you know move forward on these bylaws and then like reconsider things in the context of housing

[1:18:24] Trustee Morrison: in the context of you know next steps that we're doing i just appreciate that the the trust in the

[1:18:29] Trustee Morrison: process so far and then we can continue to expand on that all

[1:18:37] Voice 6: right so call question all in favor

[1:18:41] Voice 6: and that carries thank you all right then we move

[1:18:46] Trustee Maude: on to reports we have work program report

[1:18:48] Trustee Maude: report um active projects future projects enlisted potential i even ltc major projects so i am

[1:18:56] Trustee Maude: i i believe that the first two items are trusting family questions and the third item is

[1:19:02] Trustee Maude: to discuss the major projects which i'm

[1:19:04] Voice 6: sure you do want to um so that's page number 234 for that

[1:19:13] Trustee Maude: that line item i'm assuming there's no questions about the

[1:19:18] Trustee Maude: future projects they

[1:19:22] Voice 6: all kind of dovetail to this conversation so righty so off to you um

[1:19:32] does anybody have any thoughts as to the

[1:19:34] Trustee Maude: three options that have been presented um i think

[1:19:38] Trustee Maude: i think housing i

[1:19:40] Voice 4: have some thoughts around housing and what you can do and add your

[1:19:45] Voice 4: to

[1:19:46] Voice 3: the chair speak to that before you um so the last meeting you directed staff to do

[1:19:53] Voice 3: or to shift the focus of the groundwater project to a minor project to present to the community

[1:20:02] Voice 3: the groundwater information in a

[1:20:06] Voice 3: sense you've already done that with the community information

[1:20:08] Voice 3: information that you had. It was well attended. I would also say that the aspects of the groundwater work that relate to housing are being considered in the profile work that's being done and the suitability analyses that are being, the

[1:20:35] Voice 3: the groundwater work is being incorporated that we heard today from the audience regarding the need

[1:20:41] Voice 3: to start that baseline of information collection which there is a summer student hired to start

[1:20:49] Voice 3: doing uh trust-wide community profile work and collecting and pulling some of that starting

[1:20:55] Voice 3: information together there's been a lot of work done on maine with respect to assessing

[1:21:04] Voice 3: the bylaws that could kind of be built on, and the toolkit that's being developed. Staff would humbly suggest, I guess, that you consider, instead of doing groundwater as your minor project, direct staff to create a terms of reference around a new minor project that is

[1:21:25] Voice 3: essentially starting to pull together all those components of housing analysis and background

[1:21:33] Voice 3: that can be done as an in-house kind of project for the next year.

[1:21:41] Voice 3: Then moving you to a place where you're better prepared to proactively move on some of these

[1:21:48] Voice 3: other larger trust initiatives perhaps after that year having all of that background information

[1:21:56] Voice 3: documented and then looking at a major project to then start implementing some of that stuff

[1:22:02] Voice 3: having taken the time to one understand what the issues are and the where the problems lie

[1:22:10] Voice 3: specifically for your island and two having an opportunity yourselves to really sift through

[1:22:15] Voice 3: the information and prioritize for yourself what's important and then after that engaging

[1:22:20] Voice 3: with the community in some meaningful way to present that information and seek from them

[1:22:26] Voice 3: what their priorities are and then from there developing that action plan that then prepares

[1:22:31] Voice 3: you really well for all this other work that is going so that would be my suggestions and in terms

[1:22:39] Voice 3: of a major project perhaps you don't need a major project right now i mean that's a major amount of

[1:22:45] Voice 3: work there but it could be framed as a minor project because it doesn't need a bunch of funding

[1:22:50] Voice 3: at this point the major broad the other major project you could consider is uh is is a broader

[1:22:58] Voice 3: assessment of your dpas where you would need to develop a business case um but that work would

[1:23:06] Voice 3: be considerable and uh so tackling both of those things at the same time might be challenging so

[1:23:13] Voice 3: So my advice would be to focus on a minor project

[1:23:15] Voice 3: around housing right now,

[1:23:16] Voice 3: and look at in a year from now,

[1:23:19] Voice 3: really considering what your major project initiatives

[1:23:22] Voice 3: might be for the rest of the project.

[1:23:25] Voice 3: Thanks.

[1:23:26] Voice 6: Can

[1:23:26] Trustee Morrison: I ask a question?

[1:23:28] Voice 6: Certainly.

[1:23:31] Trustee Morrison: So the major minor project boundary,

[1:23:35] Trustee Morrison: my understanding of this,

[1:23:36] Trustee Morrison: and this is just, I think, a helpful thing to think about,

[1:23:39] Trustee Morrison: is generally speaking,

[1:23:41] Trustee Morrison: our major projects are things we ask for budgetary support for so we could do that in the fall we

[1:23:47] Trustee Morrison: could do that well you should get it into the budgetary process if we think it's going to be

[1:23:51] Trustee Morrison: for next year right yeah

[1:23:52] Voice 3: robert robert thought it should be fairly soon that you should be turning

[1:23:55] Voice 3: yeah so

[1:23:57] Trustee Morrison: i frankly have no idea how we'd even scope out what a major project would be at this point

[1:24:02] Trustee Morrison: related to housing because we would really want to have that conversation with community about

[1:24:06] Trustee Morrison: what that looks like having said that i also don't want to miss another freaking deadline

[1:24:10] Trustee Morrison: like related to like participating in the housing accelerator so um i i kind of think we declare our

[1:24:18] Trustee Morrison: major project to be housing we go we use some of the minor fun like just the work time right now

[1:24:23] Trustee Morrison: to do the things that you're naming um but that allows us to get a business case in for next year

[1:24:28] Trustee Morrison: because i don't want us to be two years down the road to be able to do anything and then um i kind

[1:24:34] Trustee Morrison: of want to ask you like how minor is it a minor project to be able to update our raptors mass

[1:24:39] Trustee Morrison: we have the information in hand and it's just been this like frankly a bureaucratic problem

[1:24:45] Trustee Morrison: that our expert who did the original mapping can't somehow submit that mapping because we didn't

[1:24:51] Trustee Morrison: issue a contract he just went and did it as part of his work um in the community and i really want

[1:24:57] Trustee Morrison: want to think um as an ltc about like if we have this type of wetland mapping Raptor mappings

[1:25:06] Trustee Morrison: stuff that's supporting our existing dpas and we can't effectively update it I have problems with

[1:25:13] Trustee Morrison: that so like if we can just have a quick conversation around like what is the mechanics

[1:25:17] Trustee Morrison: of updating the raptor nest mapping or the wetlands or whatever our existing dpas so I

[1:25:24] Voice 6: would say if you have the data

[1:25:28] Voice 3: in hand that would

[1:25:31] Voice 6: be the difference

[1:25:32] Voice 3: i guess between it being a major

[1:25:33] Voice 3: project where you need to hire a consultant to go do that work whether it's a desktop analysis or

[1:25:40] Voice 3: ground truthing or a mix of both which it probably typically is with something like that

[1:25:49] Voice 3: so if the data is in

[1:25:51] Voice 3: hand then they would could then potentially uh be a minor project which would

[1:25:58] Voice 3: be i guess

[1:26:02] Voice 6: initiating your

[1:26:07] Voice 3: schedule amendments that's all that's being changed is there's a

[1:26:12] Voice 3: nest here now and there isn't one here uh you would just need to it would be a pretty minor

[1:26:17] Voice 3: OCP amendment but you still need to go through all the public process including ministry approval to

[1:26:23] Voice 3: update those maps yeah

[1:26:26] Trustee Morrison: so I really want to update those maps because that seems expedient considering

[1:26:33] Trustee Morrison: some of the challenges we're facing with raptors nest so can you give me a like just a back of the

[1:26:40] Trustee Morrison: envelope time thing that a an update like that would take and I know that going to the ministry

[1:26:45] Trustee Morrison: takes a long time but like our work related to that so

[1:26:49] Voice 3: if you have the data in your hand

[1:26:52] Voice 3: uh six months i guess or you know creating a or less i guess however long it takes to work through

[1:27:06] Voice 3: initiating a project charter getting staff to actually do the gis work to update the schedules

[1:27:15] Voice 3: and move through first and second reading of a

[1:27:24] Voice 3: schedule and a public hearing when executive committee approvals but you would you consider

[1:27:30] Voice 3: that to be a minor project as presented if the data was in hand if you are looking at

[1:27:36] Voice 3: consulting work over five thousand dollars for that work

[1:27:39] Voice 3: then that would become so that is really

[1:27:42] Voice 3: really, I think the deciding point.

[1:27:45] Trustee Maude: So do we want to spend some time

[1:27:48] Trustee Maude: and just make sure the data's available

[1:27:50] Trustee Maude: and identify as a, or do you want to call it

[1:27:52] Trustee Maude: a minor project now?

[1:27:53] Voice 9: I can tell you it's a minor project.

[1:27:56] Trustee Maude: So we can talk about that being a minor project,

[1:27:59] Trustee Maude: but if it turns out it's not,

[1:28:00] Trustee Maude: you're just gonna come back to us and say it can't be done.

[1:28:02] Trustee Maude: And

[1:28:03] Voice 3: if you did that,

[1:28:03] Voice 3: you would have to defer the groundwater work

[1:28:05] Voice 3: that you already directed staff to proceed with.

[1:28:08] Voice 3: So what's your choice?

[1:28:09] Voice 3: you so

[1:28:11] Trustee Morrison: the groundwater work being in terms of the

[1:28:15] Voice 3: last meeting you you directed staff to yeah you

[1:28:19] Voice 3: directed staff to come back with like a an amended project to make it more around communication with

[1:28:27] Voice 3: with uh the community of the groundwater yeah

[1:28:31] Trustee Morrison: so if staff doesn't do that when

[1:28:34] Voice 3: marissa presented

[1:28:35] Voice 3: the potential what's that sorry all

[1:28:38] Trustee Morrison: right if staff doesn't do that like so this is the dilemma

[1:28:41] Trustee Morrison: and i just want to be very clear about this and it's not against you brad at all it's not

[1:28:46] Trustee Morrison: about staff at all it's a structural problem with the trust right here is like because of the way

[1:28:55] Trustee Morrison: we organize our projects we can't actually like do the things that naturally would be like

[1:29:01] Trustee Morrison: educational efforts around housing and groundwater and forestry relationships like the they're parsed

[1:29:07] Trustee Morrison: more into separate projects we can't take like something that already exists in our dpas and

[1:29:13] Trustee Morrison: update it very easily because it might bump something else that like is just naturally

[1:29:16] Trustee Morrison: emerging in our community so this is the dilemma that i have had with how we frame projects and

[1:29:23] Trustee Morrison: one of the reasons that you know i'm happy we're involved in the governance review and i supported

[1:29:27] Trustee Morrison: that um so my preference in this situation would be to get the six-month work done updating those

[1:29:34] Trustee Morrison: raptors nests because they are a real resource in our community and they're like a thing that

[1:29:41] Trustee Morrison: gets cut down without being annexed and we have some although apparently there's challenges even

[1:29:46] Trustee Morrison: when they are annexed but um you know they're scheduled so i i would ask that we do that i know

[1:29:51] Trustee Morrison: I know that Dave, who did the original work on those raptor's nests, did an update last year, and I talked with Robert about it over the last.

[1:30:00] Trustee Morrison: year about how to get those schedules updated i really think we need to get that information

[1:30:03] Trustee Morrison: updated in our schedules whether that delays us to talking about the groundwater project a little bit

[1:30:10] Trustee Morrison: more in the fall well maybe that's what has to happen if we have to pick and choose on this

[1:30:15] Trustee Morrison: i frankly think it's brutal that we can't have the conversations with our community about this

[1:30:21] Trustee Morrison: at the same time as we're also doing an update a technical update on raptor's nest but i think the

[1:30:27] Trustee Morrison: the robert's nest is pretty important so i think they're all important and so i'll take the

[1:30:33] Trustee Morrison: information that we have maybe other islands will create some kind of communications toolkit around

[1:30:41] Trustee Morrison: their water resources but the water resources we already have i'm happy to work with community and

[1:30:47] Trustee Morrison: have conversations with as a trustee and not of all staff if we

[1:30:51] Voice 9: have to choose anyhow

[1:31:09] Voice 6: like just

[1:31:10] Voice 7: in as we're considering as we're considering housing as a major project would that not also

[1:31:18] Voice 7: incorporate water and data from that like that was part of the groundwater project

[1:31:26] Voice 7: would be part of that discussion as well so we may not

[1:31:33] Voice 6: really be bumping the groundwater

[1:31:37] Voice 6: water other than it being a specific project

[1:31:45] Voice 6: all right

[1:31:46] Trustee Maude: so did somebody want

[1:31:50] Voice 6: to make a

[1:31:50] Trustee Maude: motion about the minor

[1:31:51] Voice 6: project and then

[1:31:52] Voice 6: your motion for the major sorry

[1:31:58] Voice 9: i got bumped

[1:31:58] Voice 9: offline here so

[1:32:00] Trustee Morrison: my understanding of where we're can somebody summarize where that we think we are

[1:32:04] Trustee Morrison: I

[1:32:04] Trustee Maude: think that it sounds like there's agreement. Perhaps we can defer the water and it sounds like there's interest in doing the Raptor EPA work. So it would be a motion to make the Raptor EPA work.

[1:32:21] Trustee Maude: the minor project to continue not being a minor project and it sounds like you would like to to

[1:32:26] Trustee Maude: start the wheels moving for housing review to be the major project so if that's the way it's

[1:32:33] Trustee Maude: looking I would suggest two motions are in order or even one yeah

[1:32:38] Trustee Morrison: I think that's that how that's

[1:32:40] Trustee Morrison: how it looks to me and Aaron I think the last point that I just caught as I was coming back

[1:32:44] Trustee Morrison: online was that you know if we're talking about housing we're not only talking about affordable

[1:32:51] Trustee Morrison: housing, we're talking about housing, like as a, as an entity more broadly, and that naturally

[1:32:57] Trustee Morrison: involves information about water. Like we can't talk about housing in the Southern Gulf Islands

[1:33:02] Trustee Morrison: without talking about water. And so I think that would be helpful for us to have those integrated

[1:33:08] Trustee Morrison: data sets of information in the conversation about housing with our community, because

[1:33:13] Trustee Morrison: we are in the trust. We're trying to think about housing in the context of our ecosystem.

[1:33:18] Trustee Morrison: system and so i think that's the way to handle it like we bring the those forestry maps those

[1:33:23] Trustee Morrison: water maps into the conversation about housing because then we can have a more holistic real

[1:33:28] Trustee Morrison: conversation i

[1:33:31] Voice 7: think i think it makes it more relatable to people when they have something

[1:33:34] Voice 7: that they can apply data to i know for myself the only thing when we went through the

[1:33:40] Voice 7: the groundwater stuff but i kept trying to relate it back to my farm like how does what what does

[1:33:45] Voice 7: this have to do with my farm how does this affect my farm you know what does this mean in the area

[1:33:52] Voice 7: that i know and i think that if we are going to talk about housing and housing is a major project

[1:33:59] Voice 7: i think for every island in the trust um it's we're going to be bringing that information forward

[1:34:07] Voice 6: yeah yeah

[1:34:08] Voice 7: a lot of information so i agree yeah i agree

[1:34:15] Trustee Morrison: so can i i'll attempt a motion here

[1:34:20] Voice 6: um

[1:34:21] Trustee Morrison: i moved at the north i moved at the north pender ltc um make uh make

[1:34:31] Trustee Morrison: housing oh god wow i don't think i can do it on the fly so brad would we just would we move that

[1:34:39] Trustee Morrison: the staff prepare uh get our uh project charter for the housing or we just first say that there

[1:34:47] Trustee Morrison: are our um major project will be housing and our secondary project will be raptor updates

[1:34:54] Voice 3: i think you'd be best served to uh i'll do the house first that the north pender island or north

[1:35:03] Voice 3: fender local trust committee establish you wanted just housing yeah

[1:35:11] Trustee Morrison: i wanted to be a housing

[1:35:12] Trustee Morrison: conversation i don't want it to be not

[1:35:14] Voice 3: affordable housing per se just housing right so that the

[1:35:20] Voice 3: north fender local trust committee established housing as a as a uh major project and direct

[1:35:27] Voice 3: staff to develop a terms or a project charter and business case for consideration at the July

[1:35:38] Voice 6: 28th meeting.

[1:35:41] Voice 6: So good.

[1:35:45] Voice 6: So moved.

[1:35:48] Trustee Maude: So we'll just make sure that.

[1:35:50] Trustee Maude: Just give

[1:35:51] Voice 1: me one sec. Establish housing as a major program and staff to develop

[1:35:58] Voice 3: as a major

[1:35:59] Voice 3: project as

[1:36:00] Voice 1: a major project right and staff to

[1:36:05] Voice 3: develop a draft project charter oh draft

[1:36:09] Voice 1: okay draft

[1:36:10] Voice 3: project charter and business plan okay for the

[1:36:14] Voice 3: july 28th ltc meeting for

[1:36:17] Voice 1: july 28th ltc

[1:36:19] Voice 1: okay perfect

[1:36:21] Voice 4: thank you very much and then the second motion i would suggest so we will get

[1:36:26] Trustee Maude: second yeah any further discussion if not we'll call the question all in favor

[1:36:35] Trustee Maude: that carries okay and now we have kind of suggested second motion uh

[1:36:40] Voice 3: that the north

[1:36:42] Voice 3: pender local trust committee defer uh groundwater education with landowners as a minor project

[1:36:50] Voice 3: and establish an update of raptor nest dpa information as a

[1:37:02] Voice 6: minor project

[1:37:09] Voice 6: you

[1:37:11] Voice 3: could have priority at the end there between after or before minor priority minor project

[1:37:18] Voice 3: thanks pat good job okay

[1:37:21] Voice 1: so for the second motion

[1:37:23] Voice 3: defer

[1:37:25] Voice 1: groundwater education with landowners as a minor project and establishing updating

[1:37:32] Voice 1: raptors nesting mapping

[1:37:38] Voice 6: yeah as a

[1:37:43] Voice 1: priority minor

[1:37:45] Voice 6: project priority

[1:37:47] Voice 1: minor project okay

[1:37:49] Voice 1: Okay, perfect.

[1:37:51] Trustee Maude: So we have a mover? Yeah,

[1:37:54] Trustee Maude: I'll second it.

[1:37:57] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[1:37:58] Trustee Morrison: I want to just discuss one thing here. So just to be clear, my intent on this is not

[1:38:04] Trustee Morrison: to defer, like I know the staff are deferring it on their workload. My intent is not to defer

[1:38:10] Trustee Morrison: for communications and learning around the water

[1:38:15] Trustee Morrison: with community.

[1:38:18] Trustee Morrison: We'll bring it in as much as possible

[1:38:19] Trustee Morrison: with the water project, or with the housing project,

[1:38:22] Trustee Morrison: because my intent is more that people learn

[1:38:26] Trustee Morrison: about the water and forestry in the context

[1:38:28] Trustee Morrison: of the things that they're interested in right now

[1:38:31] Trustee Morrison: and that are pressing on their plate,

[1:38:33] Trustee Morrison: so that when we actually do move

[1:38:35] Trustee Morrison: into some type of water project,

[1:38:37] Trustee Morrison: if we decide to do that, which we likely will given water challenges here, that when we consider

[1:38:45] Trustee Morrison: what might be regulations that people actually care about thinking about that because they

[1:38:50] Trustee Morrison: understand how it impacts them. So my intent is not actually to defer learning around water,

[1:38:56] Trustee Morrison: it's to defer staff time related to water, which is what this motion does.

[1:39:01] Trustee Morrison: Yes,

[1:39:02] Trustee Maude: excellent. Okay, so call the question. All in favor? That carries.

[1:39:09] Trustee Maude: All right, congratulations. You have a path forward.

[1:39:14] Trustee Morrison: David, can I also just have it recorded in the meetings that this is one of those spaces

[1:39:20] Trustee Morrison: that as a trust council, regional planning needs to consider how to consider LTC projects in this

[1:39:32] Trustee Morrison: context because this is and i don't know what that note looks like in the notes pat but just

[1:39:38] Trustee Morrison: that this is an issue for regional planning to consider because um water is a regional issue

[1:39:45] Trustee Morrison: from my perspective and like thinking about learning about water is a trust-wide requirement

[1:39:50] Trustee Morrison: it shouldn't be on ltcs to do that project absolutely

[1:39:56] Voice 1: um so i have down for trust council

[1:39:58] Voice 1: Council regional planning needs to consider how

[1:40:02] Trustee Morrison: to do how to do like learning efforts

[1:40:07] Trustee Morrison: broadly across the trust how

[1:40:11] Voice 1: to expand no how to just

[1:40:13] Trustee Morrison: okay learning

[1:40:16] Voice 9: after broadly across the trust

[1:40:21] Voice 6: okay

[1:40:21] Voice 9: yeah thank

[1:40:24] Voice 6: you okay

[1:40:26] Trustee Maude: now 236 we have application report dated may 2023 um are there any

[1:40:35] Trustee Maude: comments or questions for the planner

[1:40:38] Trustee Maude: yeah

[1:40:39] Trustee Morrison: go ahead sir go ahead i

[1:40:43] Voice 4: was just going to say no you go ahead you go ahead go ahead

[1:40:48] Voice 4: and trustee morrison what

[1:40:50] Trustee Morrison: is going on with the concrete plant can somebody tell me where the

[1:40:53] Trustee Morrison: permit is for that and like i thought we were supposed to see it this this meeting so i sent

[1:40:58] Voice 3: you guys an email the permit when i actually dug into the file it turned out that it was not a

[1:41:03] Voice 3: renewal permit it is a new permit so the permit was issued in 2020 for one year and then issued

[1:41:10] Voice 3: issued in 2021 for two years so um it is going to have to be a new permit and because that was

[1:41:18] Voice 3: the case it will need uh notifications and staff did not have time to do the notifications prior

[1:41:24] Voice 3: to this meeting so uh Mr Grimmer is aware and the uh the new permit application will be brought

[1:41:32] Voice 3: forward at July 28th okay

[1:41:35] Trustee Morrison: I guess I would encourage all of us to go and talk with Aaron all of us

[1:41:40] Trustee Morrison: david you included um because my confusion about this and and i know that he had talked about

[1:41:47] Trustee Morrison: coming forward with the tup this time but my understanding was they were considering a rezoning

[1:41:53] Trustee Morrison: so they

[1:41:54] Voice 3: are and what your direction was to them was that you preferred to have a temporary use

[1:42:00] Voice 3: permit in place at the same time that the rezoning was being considered so that they are

[1:42:05] Voice 3: are acting lawfully in that period where I assume it'll be a fairly complex rezoning

[1:42:13] Voice 3: application and discussion with the community so it might take a year or two years to work

[1:42:24] Voice 3: through what's to also require him to renew his permit where when the understanding was that it

[1:42:31] Voice 3: it was a ritual okay

[1:42:33] Trustee Morrison: yeah i guess my challenge here is we're now going to be in a situation

[1:42:38] Trustee Morrison: regardless because of the timing and the delay on getting the temporary permit in where they're

[1:42:43] Trustee Morrison: going to have a gap between their permit and technically we like our bylaws are and i don't

[1:42:50] Trustee Morrison: remember if it's our bylaws or our standing resolutions but are that like we shouldn't

[1:42:54] Trustee Morrison: consider new permits when people are not in compliance um because we don't want this like

[1:43:00] Trustee Morrison: ask forgiveness problem and so yeah I think all of us need to be proactive with not the staff

[1:43:09] Trustee Morrison: they've been in conversation but all of us as trustees need to be proactive in this particular

[1:43:15] Trustee Morrison: situation with Aaron about why the delay like what is going on with this and why are we not

[1:43:21] Trustee Morrison: having this done like six months ago but

[1:43:24] Trustee Maude: my understanding is too is that the application

[1:43:29] Trustee Maude: application is in place um that there is no violent enforcement actually they are they are

[1:43:33] Trustee Maude: the fact of being in compliance because they actually do have an application right particularly

[1:43:40] Voice 3: in this case where they have a valid permit and they're operating and meeting all the conditions

[1:43:46] Voice 3: of that permit so well it's not ideal it's not completely atypical that temporary use permits

[1:43:52] Voice 3: don't always exactly line up so there have been other cases where they expire but you just

[1:43:58] Voice 3: continue to abide by them the uh consideration comes later and

[1:44:05] Trustee Maude: i will discuss with mr grimmer

[1:44:07] Trustee Maude: as i do see him there frequently so i promise to talk to him okay

[1:44:12] Trustee Morrison: i know he's been busy and i get

[1:44:14] Trustee Morrison: all that but we need to

[1:44:15] Voice 6: be fair yeah okay

[1:44:18] Voice 6: so that's good no

[1:44:22] Voice 9: it's

[1:44:24] Trustee Maude: all good we're good

[1:44:26] Trustee Maude: um so we're applications we're okay on so we moved down to trustee local expense report

[1:44:35] Voice 6: actually i had a question about what no i'm sorry um i'm trying to find the number for it

[1:44:49] Voice 6: there

[1:44:53] Voice 7: is um that i thought was outside of magic

[1:44:57] Voice 6: lake you can still have stv

[1:45:02] Voice 6: like there's establishment of a maximum

[1:45:13] Voice 3: number of permits right which is 20 i think okay but

[1:45:17] Voice 3: uh stvrs can also be issued outside the magic lake and there's actually you know

[1:45:23] Voice 7: no cap on

[1:45:25] Voice 7: the outside but there's only a handful right you are in the cabinet right

[1:45:31] Voice 7: okay okay

[1:45:33] Trustee Maude: all right good question expense report uh nothing there um we have adopted

[1:45:40] Trustee Maude: policy sustainability solutions i think that's all clear

[1:45:43] Voice 1: excuse me chair chair

[1:45:45] Voice 1: yeah i missed

[1:45:47] Voice 1: i missed uh i missed that previous discussion you were frozen

[1:45:52] Voice 1: and it wasn't coming through it was

[1:45:55] Voice 1: it was about the uh in the applications

[1:45:59] Trustee Maude: so it was in regard to um temporary use permit no

[1:46:05] Voice 1: i got the temporary use permit it was the

[1:46:07] Voice 1: second portion um trustee campbell's portion

[1:46:10] Trustee Maude: i think that was it you may not have missed anything

[1:46:16] Trustee Maude: so because we moved down from application report um to trustee and local expense report

[1:46:23] Trustee Maude: adopted policies local trust committee web pages where we're landing right now

[1:46:27] Voice 1: trustee trustee campbell did raise a question under the applications yeah

[1:46:33] Trustee Maude: and that was about

[1:46:33] Trustee Maude: the the the short-term vacation rentals okay

[1:46:36] Voice 1: yeah

[1:46:38] Trustee Maude: so

[1:46:39] Trustee Morrison: sorry um chairman it is the the um

[1:46:44] Trustee Morrison: wi-fi is chopping up it on our end so pat it was uh north pender tup 20 23.4 that the second

[1:46:52] Trustee Morrison: question was asked about it was also

[1:46:54] Trustee Morrison: a tup so it was a little bit confusing on our end but i got it

[1:46:58] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[1:46:58] Voice 1: okay so that was that was dealt with okay okay

[1:47:02] Trustee Maude: okay so we've landed down

[1:47:06] Trustee Maude: we've landed on the trust me web page um i think that's okay i'll trust the service report there

[1:47:14] Trustee Maude: is none um so we have new business

[1:47:18] Voice 6: discussion of trustee communication is that that was

[1:47:27] Voice 3: we'll see i don't know uh trustee morrison okay so trustee morrison you're the floor is yours

[1:47:36] Trustee Morrison: yeah so um one of the things that would be really nice and we talked about this with our um

[1:47:43] Trustee Morrison: like last uh ltc as well but it would be really really helpful to have a practice in either and

[1:47:51] Trustee Morrison: i'm not sure brad if it's with you or if it's with um jazz or who who it would be exactly in

[1:47:57] Trustee Morrison: the staff but basically to have once a month some kind of share in in by a certain deadline like by

[1:48:05] Trustee Morrison: the 15th of the month that is just shared and it could be bullet point notes that's it doesn't have

[1:48:11] Trustee Morrison: to be a lot of work just but any links and most important any links or dates that are coming up

[1:48:18] Trustee Morrison: just in a bullet form communication to myself to Aaron to David and that we forward in the

[1:48:25] Trustee Morrison: the pathways that we have to communicate with our communities. So for instance, you know, it always

[1:48:31] Trustee Morrison: seems to trip up for me, like, but I, you know, mostly get it the deadline for the Pender post

[1:48:37] Trustee Morrison: to be able to put information in there for the community. And it would just be really helpful

[1:48:43] Trustee Morrison: to know that I had an email to go to that had any kind of links that I'm not missing things that are

[1:48:48] Trustee Morrison: coming up. So like our community information meeting in June, I stuck it in there for this

[1:48:53] Trustee Morrison: time around and I know staff did an advertisement too but it's really helpful to come from trustees

[1:48:58] Trustee Morrison: as well and it might be like I I know Aaron's like super awesome on Facebook not um and so but like

[1:49:06] Trustee Morrison: whatever the pathway is that you have that you have those notes handy in a really simple email

[1:49:12] Trustee Morrison: that I just can pull up and like oh or I can forward and share to other networks on the island

[1:49:17] Trustee Morrison: so that would be the ask that I would have and I just need to know how to have that be a regular

[1:49:24] Trustee Morrison: thing without having to basically remember every month to ask it I already have to remember to like

[1:49:29] Trustee Morrison: write up and send it into the post and so that's my ask so

[1:49:34] Trustee Maude: so what you would like is sort of the

[1:49:36] Trustee Maude: of every month to have a coming events sort of little capture yeah

[1:49:43] Trustee Morrison: and it would be for like

[1:49:44] Trustee Morrison: next month and a half like what's coming out in the next month and a half because

[1:49:48] Trustee Morrison: we submit for the pender post yeah usually i think it's by 18th or 19th it's a good idea

[1:49:54] Trustee Morrison: to get in some times it has to be given a holiday weekend or things um so we have to submit to the

[1:49:59] Trustee Morrison: pender post by then for the next month so it'd be good to have like by the 15th of june everything

[1:50:04] Trustee Morrison: that you can see coming to the end of july um because that would be really helpful or any like

[1:50:10] Trustee Morrison: like, you know, trust wide updates, like trust councils coming or whatever, like those types

[1:50:15] Trustee Morrison: of things would be really helpful. And then link, like, here's the page on the Islands Trust website

[1:50:21] Trustee Morrison: for trust council, if you're the public and want to participate, like that would be incredibly

[1:50:26] Trustee Morrison: helpful to have in one email. Frankly, that'd be helpful for every trustee across the Islands Trust

[1:50:30] Trustee Morrison: to have regularly.

[1:50:34] Voice 6: Father Smith, you want to invest in getting it back to us? I think the

[1:50:42] Voice 3: best thing to do probably uh trustee morrison would be to write an email to myself and jazz

[1:50:49] Voice 3: and cc robert with your request and uh

[1:50:52] Voice 3: kind of more specifically what you're asking for

[1:50:55] Voice 3: and then we can figure out how and how best able to uh action that yeah

[1:51:03] Voice 6: and

[1:51:04] Trustee Maude: i i wouldn't

[1:51:05] Trustee Maude: concur to concur this it's my sort of broadcast out to being a trust wide sort of initiative

[1:51:10] Trustee Maude: because there are times when things fall into the holes

[1:51:15] Trustee Maude: that get forgotten.

[1:51:16] Trustee Maude: I know we had that large gathering at Gabriola,

[1:51:21] Trustee Maude: what was it, the Gulf Islands Regional Economic Committee

[1:51:26] Trustee Maude: here, and I'm totally butchering it,

[1:51:29] Trustee Maude: and almost nobody knows about it, staff and trustees,

[1:51:34] Trustee Maude: but we were sort of, we were a co-founder

[1:51:38] Trustee Maude: of the organization and i think we really as an organization we dropped our ball on that one

[1:51:43] Trustee Maude: so i think i agree is that maybe internally we need to figure out i think trust wise but let's

[1:51:51] Trustee Maude: start at tender and see if we can start to lead the way i

[1:51:55] Voice 7: wonder if it would be sort of like

[1:51:56] Voice 7: i think it's mike barlow sends out those weekly little

[1:52:03] Voice 7: Robert Barlow

[1:52:04] Voice 7: send something like that

[1:52:07] Voice 7: that came out more on like a month

[1:52:10] Voice 7: by month or

[1:52:11] Voice 7: covered the next six weeks

[1:52:13] Voice 7: sort of a thing

[1:52:15] Trustee Maude: we'll leave it up to Trustee Morrison

[1:52:17] Trustee Maude: to initiate an email

[1:52:20] Trustee Maude: and if you need any support

[1:52:22] Trustee Maude: get on with me and we will

[1:52:24] Trustee Maude: do our best to make this really good idea

[1:52:26] Trustee Maude: happen

[1:52:27] Trustee Morrison: so I guess I would like permission from the LTC

[1:52:30] Trustee Morrison: see to like not have it as an individual trustee move like to have it as a like i can write the

[1:52:36] Trustee Morrison: email i'm happy to do that but it would be nice to be able to say you know our ltc has discussed

[1:52:41] Trustee Morrison: this and we really would like to have a little more coordinated communication

[1:52:45] Trustee Maude: so should we go

[1:52:49] Trustee Maude: as far as emotion or it's our concurrence let's

[1:52:55] Trustee Morrison: just put it in our meeting minutes i think that's

[1:52:57] Trustee Morrison: all we need I just don't and the reason I guess I hesitate to do it as a single trustee is I've

[1:53:03] Trustee Morrison: been clearly told by a number of um trustees that I had somewhat of a reputation as being a little

[1:53:11] Trustee Morrison: like push push push with um some of the staff at times and I don't want to be seen that way I want

[1:53:17] Trustee Morrison: this to be something that we collectively see value

[1:53:19] Voice 9: in okay

[1:53:23] Voice 6: okay we

[1:53:27] Trustee Maude: lost you but but we do

[1:53:29] Trustee Maude: do understand and and that will record in the minutes that the local trust committee has

[1:53:34] Trustee Maude: requested that you work with staff um to to deal with this issue okay

[1:53:41] Trustee Morrison: and i'll see you all

[1:53:42] Trustee Maude: i'll

[1:53:43] Trustee Morrison: see you perfect

[1:53:44] Trustee Maude: thank you very much all right we i believe are at town hall or we'll

[1:53:51] Trustee Maude: discuss the next regular meeting is scheduled for july 28th 23rd st peter's

[1:53:57] Trustee Maude: thank you all. I'm Hender Allen.

[1:53:59] Trustee Maude: And I just have a question.

[1:54:01] Voice 3: Absolutely. Go ahead.

[1:54:02] Voice 3: I just want to clarify. In the

[1:54:04] Voice 3: last meeting,

[1:54:07] Voice 3: I have an action that

[1:54:09] Voice 3: is regarding

[1:54:13] Voice 3: inviting realtors

[1:54:14] Voice 6: of

[1:54:14] Voice 3: Hender Allen Conservancy and Fire Department

[1:54:15] Voice 3: to discuss communications with new

[1:54:17] Voice 6: landowners.

[1:54:25] Voice 6: That's different than what you want to do

[1:54:26] Voice 6: on June 24th on the Saturday, correct?

[1:54:28] Voice 6: Yes. I think

[1:54:30] Voice 7: on Saturday, it's a

[1:54:32] Voice 7: just a community information meeting and on the 28th of July it was to have a discussion with

[1:54:42] Voice 7: sort of all the players in kind of our land management I guess so I don't know how better

[1:54:53] Voice 7: to say yeah realtors that's

[1:54:56] Voice 3: where you're also seeking for director Brett to attend yeah and

[1:55:00] Voice 3: And potentially to discuss with pro and prologue agents and those kinds of things.

[1:55:04] Voice 3: Is that correct?

[1:55:05] Voice 3: I'm

[1:55:06] Voice 6: just clarifying my understanding.

[1:55:08] Trustee Morrison: Yes.

[1:55:08] Trustee Morrison: And so, yes, I think that's true.

[1:55:11] Trustee Morrison: And I think Director Brent and all of those folks should just be well aware.

[1:55:17] Trustee Morrison: Like, it would be good in the email to them to be well aware there's a community information meeting on that day.

[1:55:22] Trustee Morrison: Because they may benefit from hearing community voices.

[1:55:27] Trustee Morrison: So I think it's both of those things.

[1:55:29] Trustee Morrison: like let come and they don't have to like say their public stance on any xyz topic we're talking

[1:55:36] Trustee Morrison: about but it would be good for everybody in all of these agencies crd you know different levels

[1:55:41] Trustee Morrison: to be aware of what the community is concerned around these issues and

[1:55:46] Voice 3: what i just want to

[1:55:48] Voice 3: clarify is that uh you indicate in your pender posts that all these people are going to be

[1:55:56] Voice 3: be invited but

[1:55:58] Voice 6: that kind of overlaps with what you're looking to do on the 28th.

[1:56:03] Trustee Morrison: Okay so the 28th

[1:56:05] Trustee Morrison: of June or July?

[1:56:08] Voice 3: So 24th of June you have a special meeting on the Saturday which is one with

[1:56:15] Voice 3: housing and groundwater and the two is around forestry and development permits

[1:56:21] Voice 3: minutes uh but in your pender post you're describing that

[1:56:27] Voice 6: you're going to have

[1:56:30] Voice 6: uh well we particularly encourage

[1:56:34] Voice 3: folks in crd roles i guess you don't really

[1:56:37] Voice 3: uh well you say i have sent invitations to some key folks in those roles to come along so

[1:56:42] Voice 3: i

[1:56:42] Voice 6: guess just what i need from

[1:56:43] Voice 6: you is to clarify who you think sorry our

[1:56:50] Voice 6: internet's very choppy

[1:56:52] Trustee Morrison: so i'm losing you a little bit i'm

[1:56:55] Voice 3: just looking at your pender post ad i

[1:56:58] Trustee Morrison: know i got that part

[1:56:59] Trustee Morrison: brad you

[1:56:59] Voice 3: say uh so

[1:57:02] Trustee Morrison: you don't have to read it to me i know what it says um

[1:57:05] Voice 3: so in it you say you

[1:57:07] Voice 3: have sent invitations to some key folks in these roles are you doing that so

[1:57:12] Trustee Morrison: my request last turn

[1:57:13] Trustee Morrison: last meeting was that we would invite the folks that we had listed that you'd already mentioned

[1:57:20] Trustee Morrison: today to come to the june 24th you

[1:57:25] Voice 3: gave direction to come to a cim on july 28th as part of your

[1:57:29] Voice 3: regular meeting okay

[1:57:32] Trustee Morrison: so i was thinking that it was also part of the june 24th meeting so i will

[1:57:39] Trustee Morrison: issue invitations to those people because we're supposed to be coordinating between layers of

[1:57:43] Trustee Morrison: government and I'm happy to invite them along June 24th meeting so if if that is something that

[1:57:51] Trustee Morrison: has not been done by staff I will reach out to those folks and do that because I think it's

[1:57:56] Trustee Morrison: critical that we invite the realtors and fire department and those folks in to hear what

[1:58:02] Trustee Morrison: community is thinking so that was yeah so I will do that

[1:58:07] Voice 3: thank you but you and you still want to

[1:58:10] Voice 3: see i am on july 28th around communications with new landowners is that correct

[1:58:16] Voice 3: thank you thank you i just needed to clarify that and

[1:58:20] Trustee Morrison: i would encourage aaron i would encourage you

[1:58:22] Trustee Morrison: to equally reach out to folks and and get them to that 24th meeting because we're going to have

[1:58:29] Trustee Morrison: way better conversations on july 28th if everybody in those organizations is also listening to

[1:58:35] Voice 9: community on the 24th okay

[1:58:41] Voice 6: so we've reached the

[1:58:43] Trustee Maude: point of the meeting of the final town hall if

[1:58:47] Trustee Maude: anybody has any anything further if not i'll entertain a moment of motion to adjourn oh

[1:58:54] Trustee Maude: yeah sorry yeah

[1:58:57] Voice 7: um a tremendous lead-up to the groundwater project um which was

[1:59:05] Voice 7: uh groundwater recharge project um with the promise of eliminating

[1:59:12] Voice 7: water availability for future development that was the last term and it was a major project and

[1:59:20] Voice 7: every concern felt that was um members hope that it would lead into

[1:59:30] Voice 7: um a project which identified groundwater availability for future planning that's

[1:59:35] Voice 7: different and uh it's it's um the the the issue of saltwater improving on the waterfront plots

[1:59:46] Voice 7: or near the waterfront is a screening one there's very little information

[1:59:50] Voice 7: more than one

[2:00:00] Voice 7: waterfront owner with so little saltwater entering problems and what to do about it there's just a

[2:00:06] Voice 7: blank and with housing pressing that project should be number one we've got an expert in-house

[2:00:16] Voice 7: who can get consultants and

[2:00:18] Voice 6: identify i think on main island you said chairman that

[2:00:30] Voice 7: along with the groundwater for some waterfront subdivisions

[2:00:35] Voice 7: withdraw from inland.

[2:00:38] Voice 7: And that needs to be thought

[2:00:40] Voice 6: about carefully now.

[2:00:42] Voice 6: This specification measures coming.

[2:00:48] Voice 7: The LTC is

[2:00:49] Voice 7: back down by the groundwater issue.

[2:00:53] Voice 6: Admittedly,

[2:00:56] We're

[2:01:02] Voice 6: certainly on our radar.

[2:01:04] Trustee Maude: But certainly, as indicated at the last meeting,

[2:01:07] Trustee Maude: is that if somebody does have a saltwater intrusion issue,

[2:01:12] Trustee Maude: my understanding of the provincial law

[2:01:14] Trustee Maude: is that those wells have to be capped and sealed.

[2:01:17] Trustee Maude: Any existing issues should be addressed

[2:01:19] Trustee Maude: by those landlords that you're speaking with

[2:01:21] Trustee Maude: because there's...

[2:01:23] Trustee Maude: Sorry, I'm just, by chance, meeting.

[2:01:26] Trustee Maude: No, but it is definitely on our radar,

[2:01:29] Trustee Maude: but also it is overreaching a provincial issue.

[2:01:34] Trustee Maude: So, thank you.

[2:01:36] Trustee Morrison: Matt.

[2:01:36] Trustee Maude: Yeah,

[2:01:38] Trustee Morrison: so I was one of the instigators of the water study that eventually became a larger effort across the southern Gulf Islands.

[2:01:51] Trustee Morrison: And my intent with creating, you know, understanding and knowledge around that is not necessarily that it turns into regulation, but that it allows us to make better informed decisions on the applications that we see, that we have more information to make those decisions.

[2:02:12] Trustee Morrison: decisions and that um if we as a community understand that information better that we

[2:02:19] Trustee Morrison: will see our way into a regulation if we think it's necessary so i think that that information

[2:02:26] Trustee Morrison: needs to sink into our community a little bit better because i think if we go directly to

[2:02:30] Trustee Morrison: bylaws we're going to have a lot of people up in arms about like you know have we really thought

[2:02:34] Trustee Morrison: it through in the context of our own community very well so it's not that there is an intent

[2:02:40] Trustee Morrison: to not do bylaws or to do bylaws it's that we need to understand the information as a community

[2:02:46] Trustee Morrison: better and we need to think about it in the context of and learn about it more deeply across

[2:02:53] Trustee Morrison: the issues that are pressing so people can still use that information right now you know we've done

[2:02:59] Trustee Morrison: I thank the staff for like you know addressing the concerns I had in the fall about getting

[2:03:04] Trustee Morrison: that information up and visible to the community and that's part of the ongoing work I understand

[2:03:11] Trustee Morrison: on the broad water you know information sharing effort that's still out coming from that project

[2:03:19] Trustee Morrison: but building out regulations for it is not necessarily the only way to go here and it's

[2:03:28] Trustee Morrison: not that I'm anti-regulations I would say that's the line that Erin and I generally

[2:03:31] Trustee Morrison: sit on either side of i probably have a little more regulation than him but um but i want to

[2:03:38] Trustee Morrison: make sure that those regulations are going to be something that's really going to be one enforceable

[2:03:42] Trustee Morrison: and two that it's going to be meaningful to how we want to live on this

[2:03:49] Voice 9: land appropriately

[2:03:50] Voice 9: This

[2:03:54] Voice 6: is me regulating the tool, and what I was saying, I mean, the information available

[2:04:04] Voice 6: is concerned about groundwater,

[2:04:07] Voice 7: and what's the risk of saltwater?

[2:04:09] Voice 7: At RIP, we have a groundwater professional, and if he can't do it himself, he can hire

[2:04:16] Voice 7: a consultant to give you the answer.

[2:04:19] Voice 7: And these are prime issues we're facing very much in the C2 areas, with no groundwater

[2:04:28] Voice 7: would have been available in the AT&T whatsoever to

[2:04:31] Voice 6: back up the decision. Please.

[2:04:35] Voice 6: Thank you. All right. Any others? Oh, a man.

[2:04:43] Voice 6: A

[2:04:44] Voice 5: question for clarification on the land use bylaw on page 8919. There are some schedules

[2:04:57] Voice 5: schedules attached to the bylaws, and I'm just wondering exactly what they refer to.

[2:05:03] Voice 5: One seems to be about the location

[2:05:07] Voice 6: of the bylaws in a particular area.

[2:05:18] Voice 5: area. Another one, Schedule E, do some examples, or are these actual cases that have been sort of

[2:05:31] Voice 5: ruled on? I don't

[2:05:33] Voice 6: understand the purpose of these schedules here.

[2:05:37] Voice 6: I wonder what page you're referring to.

[2:05:43] Voice 6: I'm on page 228 of the rule thing, which is page 89 in the land use bylaws.

[2:06:00] Voice 6: being mentioned i'm not sure so

[2:06:02] Voice 3: for example schedule d uh the siting plans so uh in the

[2:06:07] Voice 3: land use bylaw itself there would be a site specific rural designation or real rural zoning

[2:06:14] Voice 3: with the b and uh uh so uh from time to time uh site specific uh land use file amendments

[2:06:23] Voice 3: limits get made for a specific property and to reflect the specifics of that particular uh you

[2:06:31] Voice 3: unique site uh there's sometimes a map included or another schedule okay so these are in this case

[2:06:38] Voice 3: it's showing the area one potential in the area three so it's showing where they can cite their

[2:06:43] Voice 3: homes and where they can't okay

[2:06:46] Voice 5: and similarly for the seawall plan it's for one specific area and

[2:06:50] Voice 5: this is not kind of a blanket

[2:06:53] Voice 3: it's just that one particular decision made on that particular

[2:06:56] Voice 3: property and so for that the map looks different than the rest of it okay

[2:07:01] Voice 5: so these are all

[2:07:02] Voice 5: exemptions to the bylaw i

[2:07:05] Voice 3: would say an exemption a a a unique approval of a site-specific

[2:07:14] Voice 3: bylaw okay

[2:07:15] Voice 5: good thank you that clarifies that yeah thank you

[2:07:18] Trustee Maude: very much now

[2:07:18] Voice 5: that i found the

[2:07:19] Voice 5: the right pages yes

[2:07:20] Trustee Maude: and ask me y'all me in a second what was your name please

[2:07:23] Trustee Maude: thank you okay maybe

[2:07:28] Trustee Morrison: one additional thing on that just just for clarity the um yeah i agree

[2:07:34] Trustee Morrison: totally with what brad said on that but the um the idea is just to keep a clear record of those

[2:07:41] Trustee Morrison: decisions that's attached into our bylaws so that we don't have those kind of vague situations in

[2:07:48] Trustee Morrison: the future of why was that it's not precedent centric setting it's a very specific variance

[2:07:53] Trustee Morrison: that's granted for a reason thank

[2:07:56] Trustee Maude: you very much all

[2:07:58] Voice 6: right i will entertain emotions

[2:08:01] Voice 6: return to the trustee capital technically trustee morris just

[2:08:07] Trustee Maude: call the question all the favors

[2:08:09] Trustee Maude: thank you everybody um thank you very much emily for all your work and i will see you next week

[2:08:19] Trustee Morrison: bye all

[2:08:20] Voice 6: i'll see you on the 24th

North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Meeting 
May 26, 2023 ADOPTED Page 1 of 8 
 
North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
May 26, 2023 
Anglican Parish Hall 
4703 Canal Road, RR#1, North Pender Island BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair 
 Aaron Campbell, Local Trustee 
 Deb Morrison. Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Brad Smith, Island Planner 
 Pat Todd, Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were seven (7) members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 10:01 a.m. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented. 
 
3. TRUSTEE REPORT 
 Trustee Morrison expressed appreciation to everyone who contacted her regarding 
concerns/issues. Encouraged involvement with National Parks Visitor Strategy meetings. 
Emphasized the importance of people to share information at the upcoming June meeting. 
Acknowledged Chair Maude’s efforts in a difficult meeting regarding Bylaws and spoke to the 
importance of engaging with First Nations. 
 Trustee Campbell reported last two weeks rather quiet. Regarding Bylaw review:  thanks to 
Chair Maude, Planner Stockdill and community - a lot of positive and negative feedback. 
Suggestion is to examine housing as a project. 
 
4. CHAIR'S REPORT 
 Chair Maude spoke to the Official Community Plan (OCP) proposed updates. Appreciation for 
ensuring due diligence completed. First Nations referral brought a lot of important information 
back to North Pender. Proper documentation is in place to pass Bylaws. 
 
A D O P T E D 

 
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5. ELECTORAL AREA DIRECTOR'S REPORT 
 Rob Fenton (Director Brent’s alternate) gave Director Brent’s regrets – he is in a meeting 
regarding housing. Capital Regional District (CRD) is looking for available funding from 
governments – pursuing subsidy for secondary suites, etc. Detailed the 4 A’a:  Acceptable:  
connected to services; Affordable: critical; Alternate housing; e.g. tiny homes; and Available. 
CRD looking to work with LTC towards solutions. 
 Invitation for Director Brent to attend June meeting – listen to the community and work with 
LTC on housing. 
 
6. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
 Speaker:  questioned NPLTC accessing Housing Accelerator Fund. Salt Spring Island is on board 
and Mayne Island as well. Got zoning for secondary suites. 
 Planner Smith detailed there is a lot of work to do within the community and the application 
closure date was too close. Islands Trust (IT) is working on a tool kit – collecting everything that 
has been accomplished and working to prepare for future funding projects/applications. 
 MaryBeth Rondeau:  important to develop a housing action plan – be focused.   
 Chair Maude stated funding announced with a short time line and need to be 100% prepared. 
Planner Smith spoke to effectiveness of focusing on Salt Spring Island and Mayne Island at this 
time. 
Trustee Morrison:  volume of information being requested. Looking at total Trust area and then 
focusing on specific communities is a good option. Continue to pursue what NPLTC needs to do. 
 
7. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING – None 
 
8. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
 
9. MINUTES 
9.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated May 5, 2023  
By general consent, the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of May 5, 2023 were 
adopted. 
9.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
9.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – None 
 
10. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
10.1 Follow-up Action List Dated May 2023 
 Trustees expressed appreciation for update. 

 
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11. DELEGATIONS 
 
12. CORRESPONDENCE 
12.1 Various Correspondence re North Pender Forestry Concerns – A total of 8 pieces of 
public correspondence have been received and provided to the LTC as a combined file.  
 
13. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
13.1 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaw No. 530  
NP-2023-068 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Local Trust interests are not affected by Salt Spring Island 
Local Trust Committee proposed Bylaw No. 530. 
CARRIED 
 
Policy regarding this type of referral needs to be reviewed by Trust Council. 
13.2 NP-TUP-2022.5 (Sketch)  
Planner Smith reviewed the staff report. Decision had been deferred in March. IT has 
received some additional correspondence mostly opposed to application. Applicant’s 
submitted plan for cease of use was unclear as to what actions would be taken and 
when. 
Applicant referred to a letter sent this morning to NPLTC. Added would make 
application for a Building Permit if financially able but not able to at this time.   
Discussion: 
 Purpose of temporary permit:  move to rezoning or cease use except as Short 
Term Vacation Rental (STVR) 
 Review of all concerns:  some personal vs. actual issues 
 Acknowledgement of existing housing issues 
 Trustee Campbell - Would support for 3 years and review within current LTC 
term 
 Need for an exit strategy 
 Minimal community support of application 
 Containers may not be only issue 
 Question of a compromise 
 Use of TUP to breach OCP 
 Housing issue: “stand down” on living in trailers 
 Site specific 
 Sympathetic to situation however there is strong opposition to site 
 Amend OCP- less regulation regarding housing 
 Two applications had been submitted to rezone – both unsupported 
 Could stipulate in TUP that all materials be removed at end of term 
 Housing issue will not resolve in 3 years 

 
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 Need to increase flexibility 
 Could use sites zoned for storage – better move by community standards 
 Enforcement could be deferred through a motion 
 Unique situation with no clear resolution 
 Chair in support of staff recommendation – suggest bylaw enforcement update 
at next meeting 
 
NP-2023-069 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee not approve issuance of 
Temporary Use Permit application NP-TUP-2022.5 (Sketch). 
 
CARRIED 2/1 Trustee Campbell 
 
NP-2023-070 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Local Trust Committee direct Bylaw enforcement staff to 
initiate a compliance agreement with Mr. Sketch and provide an update  July 28, 
2023 Local Trust Committee meeting. 
CARRIED 
13.3 NP-DVP-2023.2 and NP-DP-2023.1 (Ensing)  
 Planner Smith reviewed staff report. Biologist report included stating development is 
reasonable. One letter received with concerns regarding habitat impact and sight lines; 
a number of letters in support. Explained that a Development Variance Permit (DVP) 
allows more discretion with approval while a Development Permit (DP) gives less 
discretion so LTC should start with that decision. 
 Applicant:  efforts to make house more comfortable, safe and efficient. Development of 
proposed structure is in line with biologist’s recommendations. It is a unique property 
and there has been consultation with neighbours. Owners planting trees to minimize 
impact. 
 Discussion 
 Tricky lot – appreciate what has been proposed 
 Least impact 
 Bylaws dictate height allowances 
 Least impactful rebuild as it largely uses existing footprint for house 
 
NP-2023-071 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of 
Development Permit NP-DP-2023.1(Ensing). 
 
CARRIED 
  

 
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NP-2023-072 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of 
Development Variance Permit NP-DVP-2023.2 (Ensing). 
 
CARRIED 
 
 Applicant expressed appreciation to all for work completed. 
 
14. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
14.1 North Pender LUB Review Project – Bylaw No. 224 
NP-2023-073 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee proposed Bylaw No. 224, 
cited as “North Pender Island Land Use Bylaw No. 224, 2022” be adopted. 
 
CARRIED 
 
  Appreciation expressed for efforts to date – can move forward. 
 
15. REPORTS 
15.1 Work Program Report 
15.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated May 2023 – received for information 
15.1.2 Future Projects Report Dated May 2023 – received for information 
15.1.3 List of Potential LTC Major Projects  
Planner Smith discussed options for projects. There is a Trust wide focus on 
housing. Could begin with a Minor Project to develop Terms of Reference then 
go on to a Major Project to address implementation. 
Discussion 
 Major Project involves a budgetary request 
 Housing – business case for next year 
 Minor Project - proposed update to raptor nest mapping 
 Question of updating Development Permit Areas (DPA) 
 Data is in hand for potential Minor Project and could schedule 
amendments to OCP to update maps 
 6 months minimum if data available:  could initiate Project Charter – 
update staff report – First and Second Reading – public hearing and 
community information meeting 
 Structural issue with Trust-dilemma on how projects are framed 
 Important to get raptor nest information updated in schedules 
 Could do groundwater education without staff time 

 
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 Integrate into conversations regarding housing 
 Housing as a Major Project would include groundwater availability in 
discussions 
NP-2023-074 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee establish housing as a 
Major Project and direct staff to develop a draft Project Charter and Business 
Plan for July 28, 2023 Local Trust Committee meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
NP-2023-075 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee defer Groundwater 
Education with landowners as a Minor Project and establish updating Raptors 
Nesting Mapping as a priority Minor Project. 
CARRIED 
 
Discussion 
 Groundwater will be critical factor for consideration with Housing 
Project 
 Trust Council Regional Planning needs to consider how to construct 
learning efforts broadly across Trust area – Trust wide requirement 
 
15.2 Applications Report Dated May 2023 
  Question raised regarding concrete plant. 
Planner Smith:  not a renewal but a request for new permit. Notification required which 
couldn’t be completed within time frame. Will be brought to July 28
th
meeting. 
Consideration being given to rezoning with use of a TUP while rezoning application in 
progress. 
Question regarding STVR 2023.4 TUP. 
Staff reported issue resolved. 
15.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated March 2023 – received for information 
15.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions – received for information 
15.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage – to update upon close of meeting 
15.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report – None 
 
  

 
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16. NEW BUSINESS 
16.1 Discussion of Trustee Communication 
 Discussion 
- Consideration of a monthly practice to share notes, links, upcoming 
meetings/events across Trust 
- Better communication with community 
- Email could then be forwarded to community networks 
- “What’s Happening” for next 6 week period 
- Staff recommended:  email to Staff with a specific ask and how best to address 
- Better co-ordination needed at Trust level for these communications 
- Collective interest 
 
17. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
17.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for July 28, 2023 at the St. Peter's Anglican Hall, 
Pender Island 
 Planner Smith addressed previous discussion as to meeting with Realtors, Fire 
Department, CRD regarding information package for new homeowners. Could include in 
a CIM at July 28
th
 meeting – hear community issues/concerns/thoughts. 
 Discussed including these agencies in Special Meeting being held June 24
th
. Agenda 
includes groundwater and Forestry DV - looking for community direction/input. 
 Trustee Morrison will invite identified agencies to meeting. 
 
18. TOWN HALL  
 Speaker – Groundwater Recharge Project:  issue as to salt water intrusion – very little 
information available. Province mandates capping well if salt water present. Importance of 
interconnectivity of groundwater and housing. 
 Discussion 
- understanding and knowledge better improves appreciation vs. policies and 
regulations 
- more information to applicants - better understanding in context of impact on 
community 
- regulations are meaningful and appropriate 
- information critical 
- resource of IT Groundwater Specialist important 
 
Speaker – request for clarification regarding LUB – attached schedules 
 
Planner Smith spoke to the siting plans, detailed schedules, sea wall – a particular area 
and unique approval of Site Specific Bylaw 
 

 
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19. CLOSED MEETING – None 
 
20. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 12:09 p.m. 
 
 
_________________________ 
David Maude, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Pat Todd, Recorder