Denman Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, June 6, 2023

[0:00:01] Good morning. Good morning. Thank you all for joining us today at the regular meeting of the Denman Isle Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:09] I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today

[0:00:12] in location of the Trust Territory of the Coast Salish People. I'm David Maude, elected from the

[0:00:17] Main Isle and chair of the Denman Isle Local Trust Committee. I'm joined today by Denman Isle

[0:00:21] of trustees, David Graham.

[0:00:23] It's not supposed to be on that side.

[0:00:25] We just got an offer.

[0:00:27] Together we become a Devon Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:29] This meeting is live, being live streamed

[0:00:31] and recorded for those who are unable to attend in person.

[0:00:33] Today, the recording will be posted

[0:00:35] to the Islands Trust website for future viewing.

[0:00:38] We have some staff joining us today.

[0:00:40] We have Renee Chouinard, who is joining us on Zoom today.

[0:00:46] She's Regional Planning Manager

[0:00:48] for the Northern Islands Trust Northern Office.

[0:00:50] us. Vicki Bowman is our meditator, Nurse Trent is our planning team, and Tyron Planner is a student

[0:01:02] planner from UEC who's joining us. Planner Marlee McCarter and by the course of Warren Dingman will

[0:01:10] join us later by Zoom when it's time to present their staff reports. This meeting is official

[0:01:14] forum for you to trust me to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss

[0:01:18] relevant business. I want to add it's a place of employment. It's like many staff

[0:01:22] are in their own homes. Our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:01:27] Alrighty, so start off with the approval

[0:01:31] Voice 6: of the agenda. Does anybody have any

[0:01:33] Voice 6: additions or concerns or anything? No. So by consent we will adopt that. We have a

[0:01:40] rise report um with our appointments for the apc um so at our last meeting we were in canada of

[0:01:49] course um for our housing advisory planning commission um so the following people were

[0:01:57] appointed at that time that's judy armstrong richard day carla newford rain silva and

[0:02:04] uh pamela willis virginia spinney and rosa tell us okay that's why you guys we at least one of

[0:02:14] the names so they were appointed we much appreciate their service and look forward to

[0:02:18] receiving all the recommendations um so we'll go

[0:02:23] Voice 6: on to trustee reports sure um

[0:02:25] Trustee Graham: i guess the only

[0:02:27] Trustee Graham: trust business that i was involved in was i attended the financial planning commission

[0:02:32] Trustee Graham: committee meeting uh via zoom and um we really look at the unwanted uh financial statements

[0:02:38] ending in 2023 we approved

[0:02:42] Trustee Graham: that to go to trust council later on this month

[0:02:47] Trustee Graham: and it was uh well it was scheduled to go to three and i think we finished at 12 30 so that

[0:02:52] Trustee Graham: just tells you it wasn't a very contentious or exciting meeting which is good when you're

[0:02:57] Trustee Graham: talking plenty um yeah

[0:03:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i mean the main thing that has happened here most recently is we

[0:03:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): uh work with the fac uh advisory commission so we had bc berries were here last week

[0:03:14] i think it was last week uh feels longer than that to do a public engagement and to talk about

[0:03:23] crappie bay to talk about fairies over the course of the summer uh and we had our our my first full

[0:03:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): full FAC meeting, which I think is good.

[0:03:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): There's some good discussion and there's a lot of,

[0:03:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): it was really good to see a lot of

[0:03:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Devon Islanders come out.

[0:03:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think it was 170 people in theory

[0:03:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): attended the engagement.

[0:03:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And I think there was another 90 on Hornby

[0:03:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): on Saturday, which I didn't attend.

[0:03:51] But lots of really good discussion.

[0:03:53] There's a lot of misinformation that's out there still.

[0:03:57] dealt with so i think there's there's a lot more like communication that needs to happen and you

[0:04:02] know having those conversations but um there's some really good talk and i mean i will we'll

[0:04:10] see how it goes in terms of like demon has been very clear in communicating their feelings about

[0:04:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): what's been happening and what what's going to happen potentially um we will see what bc paris

[0:04:22] does with that information we i think there was there was a lot of good things said we'll see how

[0:04:29] how it goes and there's a lot of kind of waiting to see how this summer goes with the

[0:04:34] change and how the fairies are organized so um

[0:04:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): there's a lot of stuff to look forward to there

[0:04:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but i i think it was a good meeting we'll see how we'll see how it all plays out in the long run

[0:04:45] thank you all right i just i guess i want to sort of begin this by saying how kind of honored i am

[0:04:52] to sort of be on denman today you guys the cool island is you know like i was sitting out here

[0:04:58] this morning waiting for to

[0:05:00] Voice 6: get into the building

[0:05:02] Voice 6: nikki comes over and grabs me and takes me over to the food bank and the house that takes me on a

[0:05:17] it's nice to be engaged it's like last meeting i was here i was

[0:05:22] Voice 6: up in the cafe

[0:05:24] Voice 6: i left my my cable there somebody comes in brings my cable it's like you know

[0:05:30] Voice 6: okay now this is

[0:05:36] Voice 4: But

[0:05:38] Voice 6: it really, this is a great item, it was yesterday somebody sent me some pictures of

[0:05:45] Voice 6: stuff, a bunch of people up picking rocks on the Farmer's Field, you know, so cool.

[0:05:51] Voice 3: You're an honorary Genmanator, Genmanator.

[0:05:57] Voice 3: Well

[0:05:57] Voice 6: that would make me truly alive because I do appreciate that, it is, I really enjoy

[0:06:03] coming here, I really enjoy the meetings, I really enjoy the community. I don't have a huge deal to

[0:06:08] report from the big house.

[0:06:12] Voice 6: I think the main thing coming around the islands right now is some issues

[0:06:17] Voice 6: with the Ministry of Transportation highways, particularly with tree cutting. We had an

[0:06:23] incident on um with a view road um where the the contractor uh with highways had gone and

[0:06:33] assessed some trees i think they're supposed to take down nine trees and they ended up at 58.

[0:06:39] and and and literally took this beautiful so it's it's asphalt a little strip and it's water so it

[0:06:48] was a little strip where the trees were and they just devastated it um and and and important and

[0:06:54] highlands people are as most as upset as anybody but we need to work on our agreements i understand

[0:07:00] what a similar thing happened to gabriola um we've

[0:07:03] Voice 6: had a small instant over intended and so we've um

[0:07:07] from a trust level um we're looking at having meetings with ministry of transportation

[0:07:12] and the infrastructure highways basically to review our protocol agreements figure out what's

[0:07:19] missing and make sure that we have more communication taking place because you know

[0:07:25] these little things become big things um

[0:07:28] Voice 6: and i think that's one person one of my themes is that

[0:07:32] Voice 6: we're trying to open up dialogues um we did meetings uh recently um down island with capital

[0:07:39] Voice 6: regional district with background health authority and without trust executive with the local trustees

[0:07:45] to open up concerns and and have dialogues going on hopefully we'll get extended throughout the

[0:07:50] trust because we are all together is we're not separate governments all over the place we're

[0:07:59] different governments with different mandates there's

[0:08:03] Voice 6: not a lot of overlap so we need to make

[0:08:06] Voice 6: sure that we're all working together with the same thought processes because you know if our trust

[0:08:11] Voice 6: wants to do something and the regional district doesn't want to do something well that's not going

[0:08:15] to work we all need to work together so that's my goal for this term is to to get us all governments

[0:08:21] working together to

[0:08:23] Voice 6: achieve common goals thank you thank

[0:08:26] Trustee Graham: you absolutely one thing i forgot and

[0:08:29] Trustee Graham: thank you to staff after bringing these so in the library after this meeting i will put current

[0:08:34] Trustee Graham: updated land use bylaw in paper form and official community plan in paper form uh so recently

[0:08:41] Trustee Graham: updated as early as may 3rd uh for the lu land use bylaw and march 6th for the official community

[0:08:47] Trustee Graham: so that's that's good we always

[0:08:49] Trustee Graham: have that in the past

[0:08:53] Trustee Graham: okay cool thanks yeah because

[0:08:56] Voice 11: we don't have a then we're on the regional library

[0:08:59] Voice 11: Thank you, Bill. It's true. You have something better for me.

[0:09:06] Voice 11: The

[0:09:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): library books

[0:09:08] Voice 6: will get mailed in.

[0:09:13] Okay, I assume we don't have the

[0:09:15] tendency to have a pictorial paragraph.

[0:09:18] However, I

[0:09:19] Voice 6: believe we have a meeting coming up in two weeks.

[0:09:23] Voice 6: yeah yeah so community all right so we now have this thing called public

[0:09:31] comments we call it down south town hall so if you have anything about the housing

[0:09:38] reports all that we're going to do is Planner Chatter is going to present it and then

[0:09:44] basically we can have interaction back and forth to sort of really discuss that

[0:09:49] deeply so rather than at town hall you're just making a statement if you

[0:09:52] want to hold off until then i think that'll work better for everybody for communication so at this

[0:09:58] point if anybody has anything else they want to talk about you want to raise your hand and

[0:10:02] identify yourself and go away and uh i've been on a

[0:10:07] Voice 11: 4905 true place i did have a place for a

[0:10:10] Voice 11: couple of decades on being on island david cove wasn't named after you i know that um uh i think

[0:10:19] Voice 11: because i think people know me i love tennis and i'm watching the french open so i may not stay

[0:10:24] here for a full discussion housing any diversion from getting on with the idea of having affordable

[0:10:35] housing on them any kind of planning that's going to deter from getting to that point

[0:10:41] Voice 11: sooner rather

[0:10:42] Voice 11: than later seems to me to be not wanted not needed and we just need to get along with it

[0:10:48] Voice 11: That's all I really have to say about that, but I will say it for a few minutes before I get back to you.

[0:10:54] Thank you very much. I think last week it was, we were told very firmly that this thing's been studied.

[0:11:02] So I think Planet Chadwick got the big binder and she understands.

[0:11:09] I'm on the agenda,

[0:11:12] Voice 13: but I'm wondering if I'm going to be able to speak while I'm on the agenda.

[0:11:19] Voice 13: Absolutely. If you actually have an issue before us, you are absolutely welcome.

[0:11:27] Thank you.

[0:11:28] However, if anybody wants to speak on what you have before us, normally

[0:11:32] Voice 6: they can't speak at that time.

[0:11:34] Voice 6: and it's sort of the town hall session, so.

[0:11:37] Thanks, Jim.

[0:11:38] Jim, will this come on right now?

[0:11:40] I've got my own copy

[0:11:41] Voice 3: of the paper.

[0:11:48] Trustee Graham: We did ask that in your housing advisory planning commission,

[0:11:53] Trustee Graham: how much you got.

[0:11:54] Voice 4: I didn't get it.

[0:11:55] Voice 4: OK.

[0:11:57] Trustee Graham: I'm going to need to know if you did,

[0:11:59] Trustee Graham: so we'll find out where it is.

[0:12:02] Voice 4: I don't need to.

[0:12:27] Voice 3: My name's .

[0:12:36] Voice 3: This is super important to me, except everything

[0:12:41] Voice 3: So, everything that Rheanne has, I'm learning from Rheanne, what's been going on for the last 20 years with all the planning and all the stuff, I'm tired of it, because people are suffering right now and dying and getting disease as a result of not being able to have a safe place to land and be and get healthy.

[0:13:03] Voice 3: critical housing is critical like so critical hence my emotion this is why i would get a

[0:13:09] Voice 3: pot very often because it's straight after the metal like it regarding the unique amenities

[0:13:18] Voice 3: on denver island which includes all of the services that we provide to each other

[0:13:23] Voice 3: um informally the rock picking our food bank is a mutual aid organization where we all contribute

[0:13:33] Voice 3: contribute money to it, and some of us, most of us,

[0:13:36] Voice 3: come and use it at some time or another, if not consistently.

[0:13:40] Voice 3: This is a deeply interconnected community,

[0:13:42] Voice 3: and what affects one person affects us all,

[0:13:45] Voice 3: in some way, shape, or form.

[0:13:47] Voice 3: So as we go into this discussion

[0:13:49] Voice 3: with all the beautiful information

[0:13:50] Voice 3: that you've been reviewing and reading the stuff

[0:13:53] Voice 3: that Virginia and Rhiannon put together for you,

[0:13:55] Voice 3: thank you for reading that,

[0:13:56] Voice 3: thank you for paying attention to that, it's critical.

[0:14:00] Voice 3: My, I wanna kind of ask a big question,

[0:14:03] Voice 3: a big thinking question. My

[0:14:05] Voice 3: background is social work, so I'm

[0:14:07] Voice 4: going to social work you a little bit.

[0:14:09] Voice 4: Regarding what it is right now,

[0:14:24] Voice 3: I'm going to ask you to fast forward one year in your imagination.

[0:14:28] Voice 3: What would a Demine resident notice is different in their lives, in their wellness,

[0:14:34] Voice 3: of the human right to housing, their trajectory for health improving or declining? So critical

[0:14:42] Voice 3: issue and I'm sorry to take up all the time for housing there's lots of other

[0:14:46] Voice 3: things like farm all that stuff it's really important too but without our

[0:14:51] Voice 3: people being well this community is disintegrating and it's going to get

[0:14:54] Voice 3: galled up through gentrification and none of us want that to happen I will

[0:15:07] Voice 3: save my comments that staff report I do have a couple of things waiting to be

[0:15:17] Voice 3: I'm curious where on the agenda is the housing apc referral discussion because in order for us

[0:15:23] Voice 3: to meet you need to make a referral but I don't see that on the agenda for today and I know I'm

[0:15:29] Voice 3: anxious to meet as the housing apc and other members might be so I'm wondering if you can put

[0:15:35] referral on the agenda it is part of the

[0:15:37] Voice 15: staff report it's one of them but it's one of the

[0:15:40] Voice 15: resolution so

[0:15:40] Trustee Graham: we will be discussing that because it's a resolution it's a resolution of status

[0:15:46] Trustee Graham: for tory and that opens up the discussion group to formulate that okay

[0:15:51] Voice 3: okay thank you and i also

[0:15:54] Voice 3: would like to ask that the request for setting a youth permit uh that that be referred to has an

[0:15:59] Voice 3: abc as well because that does affect um potentially uh becomes a viable issue for anybody living in

[0:16:06] Voice 3: in illegal housing, so I would.

[0:16:13] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:16:17] Voice 3: Hi, I'm here, everyone.

[0:16:19] Voice 3: Nikki said, when she said a year from now,

[0:16:29] Voice 3: is it better, is it worse, and I thought status quo.

[0:16:33] Voice 3: Just so you know, status quo is automatically worse.

[0:16:37] Voice 3: There is no status quo.

[0:16:40] Voice 3: If it's not better, it's gonna be worse.

[0:16:44] Voice 3: And that's, you know, the strategy that we're doing.

[0:17:01] Thank you very much for the input.

[0:17:03] be here all right so we have no delegations um so we have the minutes that we need for adoption so

[0:17:14] we have minutes of people so does anybody have any comments on those minutes i didn't see anything

[0:17:23] they look pretty small to me so i can certainly look off those um so we have a resolution

[0:17:31] without means report for May the 23rd again that would be simply for adoption

[0:17:41] by consent we do not have the advisory planning special meetings and then we

[0:17:48] have a local trust made special meeting many special meeting minutes dated April

[0:17:53] the 25th for adoption again any corrections

[0:17:58] Voice 6: or concerns all right so we will move by consent and we will adopt those

[0:18:03] Voice 6: all right so moving forward we have the follow-up action list that's page 17 and

[0:18:10] 18 of your agenda does anybody have any

[0:18:15] Voice 6: comments or does anybody want to speak

[0:18:18] Trustee Graham: to it slowly

[0:18:23] Trustee Graham: scrolling through this gigantic area yeah so the second one

[0:18:36] Trustee Graham: staff to forward that's not the one sorry sorry I'm trying to find where

[0:18:43] Trustee Graham: where the staff has said that the Housing Advisory Plan

[0:18:48] Trustee Graham: members is going to receive everything

[0:18:50] Trustee Graham: and it says that it's done.

[0:18:58] Trustee Graham: Staff to provide HAP, it's April 25th activity number one.

[0:19:04] Trustee Graham: HAPC with documents such as OCP, LUD,

[0:19:07] Trustee Graham: Housing Review and Related Discussion Paper.

[0:19:09] Trustee Graham: If you look over at status, it says completed.

[0:19:11] Trustee Graham: So that's why I was referring to that.

[0:19:13] Trustee Graham: Is that on paper, you've got them, but I don't have them.

[0:19:17] Trustee Graham: so i'm wondering who's like chloe is responsible maybe could somebody take on the responsibility

[0:19:23] Trustee Graham: of just asking chloe where those two documents are as far as the pc is concerned

[0:19:28] Voice 6: so renee's got

[0:19:30] Voice 6: her hand up so i think that she hasn't answered you can mute yourself away you go thank you

[0:19:35] Voice 10: through the chair so um we've diarized that action or we've we've um assigned some attention to that

[0:19:42] Voice 10: action through our planning team is team assistant chloe um so if members haven't received their

[0:19:49] Voice 10: papers um or their documents yet they'll get that through the first um ahead of the first referral

[0:19:56] Voice 10: so i'll follow up with chloe to make sure that information is put together and is sent out

[0:20:03] Voice 10: because i've heard a couple comments so i'll get that confirmation that that's happening

[0:20:09] Voice 6: Thank you, Renee.

[0:20:10] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:20:12] Voice 6: All right.

[0:20:14] Voice 6: Otherwise, follow-up action.

[0:20:15] Voice 6: Does this all make sense to everybody?

[0:20:18] Yeah.

[0:20:19] I mean, I've seen it in our – it's in our outstanding resolutions as well, in terms

[0:20:24] of having communication with First Nations on a yearly basis.

[0:20:30] I am a little concerned that we're over halfway into our first year now, and we haven't drafted

[0:20:36] a – like, I know it's on our follow-up action list.

[0:20:38] There is the Director for First Nations.

[0:20:40] is in charge of that i think it's and i know we've just got a new communications person who's

[0:20:45] going to be dealing with a lot of those relationships but i think it's really important

[0:20:49] that we have that conversation we open that dialogue just from a i for me it's a it's a

[0:20:56] matter of respect if we want to walk the walk with with reconciliation we need to be uh treating them

[0:21:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as our colleagues in government and pretty sensitive or not not pretty sensitive they

[0:21:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): they have a significant role.

[0:21:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And I think it's very important

[0:21:15] that

[0:21:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we're actually having that conversation.

[0:21:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And I think it's, six months is a long time.

[0:21:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I sent an email to them before I was sworn in saying,

[0:21:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): hey, I'm going to be sworn in.

[0:21:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): How's the best way for me to communicate with you?

[0:21:30] And they didn't respond to me

[0:21:31] because I was coming from a civilian email address

[0:21:34] and whatever else.

[0:21:34] I was in an office, yeah.

[0:21:36] But I think it's

[0:21:37] Voice 6: important, so.

[0:21:38] Voice 6: Sure, thanks for mentioning that, Sam.

[0:21:41] Voice 6: hopefully soon all right we don't generally do hands in the middle of

[0:21:56] Voice 6: meeting but let's try for a hand

[0:21:58] Voice 3: I'm curious what happened to the item on

[0:22:02] Voice 3: page 17 request staff to schedule a community information meeting to discuss housing on

[0:22:09] Voice 3: amendment it says in progress uh it was for may i'm curious are we going to have that community

[0:22:14] Voice 3: information discussion on housing

[0:22:17] Voice 15: um yes to the chair um that's part of the the discussion that

[0:22:24] Voice 15: i want to have with the justice as part of the housing um discussion today but

[0:22:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yes we are going

[0:22:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to we are going to organize a meeting is the short answer

[0:22:34] Voice 15: okay

[0:22:36] Voice 6: so definitely um regulations

[0:22:46] you protect the staff report for us um i just one thing i just wanted to comment is there was a

[0:22:55] referral feedback stuff from the province that I thought was pretty impressive.

[0:23:05] They actually gave a whole bunch of very detailed feedback in a positive way. I just, I thought it

[0:23:15] worthwhile to sort of note, because normally when we

[0:23:17] Voice 6: feed things back to the province, it's

[0:23:19] Voice 6: kind of blah blah blah. Where this individual took a lot of time to sort of go down

[0:23:24] of the details and and sort of like really encourage a lot of what was happening in this so

[0:23:31] um i just thought that was worthy of note um anyhow

[0:23:35] Voice 6: i do staff want to speak to it to begin

[0:23:37] Voice 6: with or trustees how do you want to begin maybe

[0:23:43] Trustee Graham: if staff could just give us a brief okay thumbnail as

[0:23:48] Trustee Graham: to how we got to where we are all right you're

[0:23:50] Voice 4: on good

[0:24:00] Planner McCargar: morning everyone

[0:24:01] Voice 6: yes we can hear you

[0:24:05] Planner McCargar: hi i'm marlis mccarger and i will just um give you a really brief intro to this staff report and to

[0:24:13] Planner McCargar: the review the denman farm implementation review project so this is a report regarding the denman

[0:24:25] Planner McCargar: and farm implementation project and the project seeks to enhance and preserve farming activities

[0:24:30] Planner McCargar: on the island through updates to the official community plan and the land use bylaw regulations

[0:24:37] Planner McCargar: the project was initiated back in 2018 so you probably noticed that both proposed bylaws 228

[0:24:47] Planner McCargar: and 229 were given first reading in May of 2018, and then some community engagement took place

[0:24:55] Planner McCargar: during 2018-2019. The project was then put on hold. Planning staff resources were allocated to other

[0:25:04] Planner McCargar: projects and applications, so it was put on hold for a couple of years and then revitalized in

[0:25:11] Planner McCargar: In 2021, a consultant was hired through funding from the Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada and the Investment Agriculture Foundation of BC.

[0:25:24] Planner McCargar: The consultant continued on with the work that had been done back in 2018 with more community engagement and then recommended amendments to the proposed bylaws.

[0:25:37] Planner McCargar: So, the bylaws were presented as amended at the July 27th LTC meeting in 2022.

[0:25:46] Planner McCargar: The LTC requested some more information, staff did some more analysis, and returned in the

[0:25:56] Planner McCargar: fall.

[0:25:58] Planner McCargar: Both bylaws were then given first and second reading.

[0:26:03] Planner McCargar: First reading was rescinded and then given second reading in the fall of 2022.

[0:26:10] Planner McCargar: And that brings us to today, which there's been a bit of a pause in the project due to elections and we had an extended referral period that went out to First Nations and agencies

[0:26:28] Planner McCargar: agencies, and also some to the, I believe, the Denman Growers and Producers Alliance,

[0:26:36] Planner McCargar: and a couple other Denman-specific agencies, and to the APC. So that brings us to where we are

[0:26:46] Planner McCargar: today. You'll see in the report I included, so there's some very small amendments being proposed

[0:26:56] Planner McCargar: proposed to bylaw 228, which includes correcting a mapping error on the land use designation map,

[0:27:06] Planner McCargar: so Schedule C, that left four parcels of ALR-designated land as rural RU and sustainable

[0:27:15] Planner McCargar: resource SR when they should have been designated as agriculture A. So the changes are highlighted

[0:27:22] Planner McCargar: in red in Attachment 2, so you can see the parcels that have been changed.

[0:27:30] Planner McCargar: I'm not sure what happened there, but my sense is that it was kind of a GIS error.

[0:27:38] Planner McCargar: So that has been corrected.

[0:27:42] Planner McCargar: And then for the By-law 229, so for the land use by-law,

[0:27:51] Planner McCargar: There are just a couple of small minor amendments that are being proposed, and that's based on feedback that we received during the referral period from the Ministry of Food and Agriculture.

[0:28:07] Planner McCargar: You can see in the table on page 24, staff outlined the referral, by-law referral response, and then if that, if those comments led to any of the changes in the proposed by-laws.

[0:28:26] Planner McCargar: And I think that's it. I did include also a timeline just to kind of give a sense of where we are at in the process.

[0:28:37] Planner McCargar: So this report recommends a few amendments and then also just outlines the referral responses that we've received to date.

[0:28:50] Planner McCargar: There are a few alternatives to the staff recommendations.

[0:28:55] Planner McCargar: The LTC could consider proceeding without the amendments, so no additional amendments.

[0:29:02] Planner McCargar: The LTC could choose to further amend proposed bylaw 228 and 229 and then give second reading again.

[0:29:11] Planner McCargar: And the LTC could choose to request further information.

[0:29:25] Thank you for your patience, but unfortunately we have some very intelligent people who figured

[0:29:33] it out and hopefully we're back.

[0:29:35] So we will get back to Trustee Grant's question.

[0:29:44] Proceed.

[0:29:45] So I have a question for

[0:29:47] Trustee Graham: Marvis if you are hearing me, I assume you are.

[0:29:51] Trustee Graham: So in your report summary, I'll jam this page 20 in your report.

[0:30:00] The last

[0:30:00] Trustee Graham: paragraph talks about ALPC.

[0:30:02] Trustee Graham: They want to also consider amendments to the OAN's plan because there are five properties that have an agriculture designation in the OCP, but are actually in the AR, but they're not zoned Agriculture A.

[0:30:14] Trustee Graham: And it seemed like such a minor thing.

[0:30:16] Trustee Graham: I was curious to know why we wouldn't include that in some of the recommendations that we're seeing today.

[0:30:27] Planner McCargar: Thanks for the question.

[0:30:28] Planner McCargar: I realized in our break there that I had forgot to mention

[0:30:33] Planner McCargar: that about that recommendation.

[0:30:36] Planner McCargar: And so it's really just I recommended that we included it

[0:30:43] Planner McCargar: in the future projects list.

[0:30:46] Planner McCargar: It's really just about cleaning up some of the zoning to match

[0:30:50] Planner McCargar: the designation.

[0:30:52] Planner McCargar: And you're correct, we could roll it into this project.

[0:30:57] Planner McCargar: project, it would just extend the timeline a little bit. Even though it's a very simple

[0:31:05] Planner McCargar: task, we would still have to go through the procedures. So it would require either another

[0:31:15] Planner McCargar: public hearing or extending the date of this, prolonging the date of this public hearing.

[0:31:23] Planner McCargar: So that was sort of the recommendation was to just put it on the future projects list, but we could definitely consider rolling it into this project if the LTC wanted to prolong the timeline.

[0:31:39] Trustee Graham: Thank you for that answer. I certainly do not want to prolong this project.

[0:31:44] Trustee Graham: I was a designated trustee on the project and that was at least 10 years ago so this

[0:31:50] Trustee Graham: has been going on for a long time and I think we need to I mean it doesn't change in anything

[0:31:55] Trustee Graham: you say it's a very minor thing but yeah I don't want to delay anything thank you for that answer

[0:32:02] Trustee Graham: I have one other simple question I'm holding the Edmond Island land use bylaw we always call it

[0:32:09] Trustee Graham: bylaw 186 but when we look at the amending bylaw for the land use bylaw amendment we always talk

[0:32:18] Trustee Graham: about 229 and it's just confusing right as a lay person why don't we make it easier for people to

[0:32:27] Trustee Graham: find these very important documents the official community plan the land use bylaw um so you know

[0:32:34] Trustee Graham: No, that's my question.

[0:32:36] Trustee Graham: Let's make it easier for people to find them

[0:32:39] Trustee Graham: and recognize them.

[0:32:40] Trustee Graham: There's probably no answer.

[0:32:45] Oh, I

[0:32:46] Trustee Graham: can answer that.

[0:32:47] Trustee Graham: Oh, can you?

[0:32:47] Voice 15: Yeah, thank you.

[0:32:49] Voice 15: Eric, it makes it much easier to find the amendments

[0:32:55] Voice 15: that have been made over the years,

[0:32:58] Voice 15: which is why most funders, at least,

[0:33:00] Voice 15: could be operating that way.

[0:33:01] Voice 15: It allows the funder to go back and identify

[0:33:04] Voice 15: when specific amendments were made

[0:33:07] Voice 15: because they're tied to a date.

[0:33:09] Voice 15: so um it actually is very helpful um from that perspective but uh we should think about how we

[0:33:15] Voice 15: can message it well

[0:33:17] Trustee Graham: and i appreciate that answer i understand from a technical perspective you want

[0:33:20] Trustee Graham: the most current version but it's always to me it's always going to be bylaw 186. so when we see

[0:33:28] Trustee Graham: it perhaps we can have it including amendments uh well

[0:33:32] Voice 15: it is it is contained somewhere yeah there's

[0:33:36] Voice 15: There's a place in each panel where there's a table.

[0:33:38] Voice 15: Yeah, okay.

[0:33:40] Voice 8: I

[0:33:40] Voice 15: can show it to you later.

[0:33:41] Voice 15: Yeah, see?

[0:33:41] Voice 15: Yeah, there it is right there.

[0:33:42] Voice 15: Yeah, exactly.

[0:33:43] Voice 15: So that's how we keep record of all.

[0:33:47] Trustee Graham: Okay, well, again, let's remember that these,

[0:33:52] Trustee Graham: if we want people to really embrace the work of the trust

[0:33:56] and understand the

[0:33:57] Trustee Graham: rules that we all live by,

[0:33:58] Trustee Graham: we need to make it not only easy for the technical side of the world,

[0:34:02] Trustee Graham: but also for the lay side of the world.

[0:34:04] Trustee Graham: so if there's any way that planners can kind of take their planning glasses off and think about

[0:34:10] Trustee Graham: what would this look like to someone who's never heard of any of these numbers and if there's one

[0:34:14] Trustee Graham: way we can just simplify i would really appreciate it and i know a lot of people i'm just like oh my

[0:34:19] Trustee Graham: gosh with that legal language they just turn it off and we all do that so again it's a struggle

[0:34:26] Trustee Graham: to make things understandable but also usable at the technical end i'm just that's my that's my

[0:34:33] Voice 6: branch and i see renee has her hand up so i'm sure she can add to the information here thank you

[0:34:40] Voice 6: through the

[0:34:41] Voice 10: chair um some of the ways we um the islands trust and and local governments with their

[0:34:48] Voice 10: bylaws and one bylaw could hold many amendments so one of the ways we do that for easier reading

[0:34:56] Voice 10: is to consolidate the bylaws so what you will see on the website and the copies of the official

[0:35:02] Voice 10: community plan and land use bylaws you have are the consolidated copies which means that they're

[0:35:07] Voice 10: all of the amendments attached to that parent or original bylaw all included and incorporated

[0:35:13] Voice 10: in that one version so that helps understand and read it all as one document again so that's one

[0:35:22] Voice 10: way we can help make the changes a bit easier to understand is making them all incorporated into

[0:35:30] Voice 10: one bylaw so those are the copies that have been shared um with the library the copies that are

[0:35:36] Voice 10: going to the library and available on the website as well thank

[0:35:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you thank you um so yeah i mean i'm

[0:35:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i know that this has been going on for a long time and i'm also keen to to see us like move forward

[0:35:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): on some things and then get this stuff in because i think there is some good stuff in it there i

[0:35:55] have there's questions that i have there's i mean and i and i recognize that

[0:36:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): this is just because

[0:36:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as currently we are applying temporary use permits

[0:36:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to a lot of housing things.

[0:36:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I see that there is throughout the language of it.

[0:36:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And there's probably no small part of this

[0:36:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that is just me still learning to parse the information

[0:36:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in this way.

[0:36:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): But at some point I would really value having a chance

[0:36:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to sit down with a planner

[0:36:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and go through these recommendations.

[0:36:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Because a lot of this work has taken a long time

[0:36:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to get together.

[0:36:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I want to make sure that I understand what we're what we're advancing so that's that can happen

[0:36:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): separately that doesn't I know that that sort of stops us from going to second reading which is

[0:36:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): if I understand correctly then it allows us to go to public engagement and we still have

[0:36:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): room plenty of time to claw things back and change things if necessary

[0:36:47] but yeah you know seeing temporary use permits on on you know agritourism

[0:36:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): accommodation there's a

[0:36:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a lot of this seems like there's a lot of bits where we say one thing and then we say it now

[0:36:59] there's talking about maximum minimum secondary units and

[0:37:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): all sorts of stuff and there's a lot

[0:37:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of stuff that i just i feel like i'm not fully grasping yet um and like so there's there's a

[0:37:13] there's a provision for

[0:37:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): allowing for additional dwellings if required but then we're still saying

[0:37:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that there's a maximum of one secondary dwelling who judges whether secondary dwelling is required

[0:37:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I guess, is the question that I have, like, I don't like, is that a determination that

[0:37:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the farmer can make, or is that something that the planner is making?

[0:37:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Cause that it's a huge difference.

[0:37:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And again, I'm sorry if I'm just like taking up oxygen here, but the, yeah, there's, there's

[0:37:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a lot of like little definitions in here that I would love to get some clarity on.

[0:37:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And that's just a question of finding time and sitting down and doing probably a whole

[0:37:51] day of digging through, because I want to make sure that I know what, there's a lot

[0:37:57] of good stuff in here and it does move forward.

[0:37:59] I think the less that we can go above and beyond and be prohibitive than what the

[0:38:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): ALR has decided is correct is a good thing.

[0:38:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Ultimately, I want to make sure that what we're doing is supporting our farmers here because they are a vital part of supporting us.

[0:38:21] Trustee Graham: I think this is really critical.

[0:38:25] Trustee Graham: We only meet every two months.

[0:38:27] Trustee Graham: These are good questions that you have.

[0:38:30] Trustee Graham: Adam. And I want to take some time. This is your opportunity to speak to the planners

[0:38:35] Trustee Graham: who's intimate with this work. So don't feel

[0:38:39] Trustee Graham: pressure to move on, please. This is important work

[0:38:42] Trustee Graham: and I want you to, I'm feeling more comfortable when you're feeling more comfortable.

[0:38:47] Trustee Graham: So I'm not feeling comfortable moving forward. You've got more

[0:38:50] Trustee Graham: comfort. So why don't you take a few of those questions that you have. We'll get Marlos to

[0:38:54] Trustee Graham: give you some answers. I

[0:38:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): started writing questions and then I stopped writing

[0:38:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): any questions because I realized I had a lot of questions that are probably not going to be

[0:39:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): usefully like I there's a level of depth and I there's stuff that I don't even know to ask

[0:39:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): questions on yet and so I I'm gonna want to talk to uh if it's more or less than I'd love to set

[0:39:15] up a time I would go through this in detail um at some point that I think

[0:39:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): like I think there's

[0:39:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): still room within the process if you're if you're otherwise comfortable I think there's still room

[0:39:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in the process if i do have serious concerns yes and we've gone to second reading there's

[0:39:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): still public engagement that's going to give me a lot of information because there's going to be

[0:39:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): people out here who know better than i what to look for and they'll have concerns or concerns

[0:39:44] questions so i i'm happy to move forward to with second reading but i i there's a lot of i would

[0:39:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): love a detailed briefing eventually fair

[0:39:55] Trustee Graham: enough i just wanted to give you that

[0:39:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i totally appreciate

[0:39:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think I have probably more questions than I

[0:40:00] Trustee Graham: actually wrote down.

[0:40:02] Trustee Graham: And you're quite right. Second reading is still a third reading.

[0:40:05] Trustee Graham: And then there's actually an option. So there's a couple of steps.

[0:40:11] Trustee Graham: So that's, that's fine.

[0:40:13] Trustee Graham: That's the case.

[0:40:15] Voice 6: I just

[0:40:16] Voice 6: noticed that Rene is going to end up.

[0:40:17] Voice 6: So I don't know if you want to add some more to that.

[0:40:20] Voice 10: Thank you through the chair.

[0:40:22] Voice 10: I think some of trustee Barthwick's questions are good ones.

[0:40:26] Voice 10: All of them are good ones, and I'd like to give Planner McArgar the opportunity to maybe help clarify some of those, if that will help today.

[0:40:36] Voice 10: Trustee Borthwick, I heard a question about how the amendments continue to uphold the farming policies in the OCP,

[0:40:46] Voice 10: and you had some specific questions about the changes with the regulations.

[0:40:52] Voice 10: So I think Planner MacArthur can answer some of those today as well, so you have that clarity, and for members of the audience here in the community to hear that too.

[0:41:06] Planner McCargar: Yeah, I'll just have, so quickly, I mean I'm happy to sit down with you one-on-one, or I'm happy if you wanted to send me a bunch of questions and I can respond to them at the next LTC meeting, or we can address some of them here today.

[0:41:21] Planner McCargar: A lot of the changes that you see in the proposed bylaws are really bringing our land use bylaw into compliance with the ALC Act and ALR regulations.

[0:41:37] Planner McCargar: So as you mentioned, you know, as a local government, we can be more restrictive than what is set out in the ALC Act and regulations.

[0:41:48] Planner McCargar: We can't be more permissive.

[0:41:51] Planner McCargar: So that was developed through the community survey and the community outreach, community information meetings that were, was typically the community was wanting to stay in line with the ALC Act and regulations.

[0:42:08] Planner McCargar: And then there's a few times where they wanted to be a little bit more restrictive.

[0:42:13] Planner McCargar: And that was where you see some of the guidelines or regulations around agritourism, some around the size of the dwelling to be a little bit, or I think it's the maximum combined size of the principal dwelling and the secondary dwelling to be a little bit more restrictive.

[0:42:36] Planner McCargar: But I'd be happy to kind of go through either line by line with you in private or in a public public way, whatever you feel would fit best.

[0:42:48] Planner McCargar: And just kind of some clarity. So the bylaws are currently they've been given first and second reading.

[0:42:53] Planner McCargar: And then the minor recommendations today would be giving it second reading as amended.

[0:43:02] Planner McCargar: So it would it would still say it stay at second reading with just these minor amendments, and then would go forward to public hearing before third reading.

[0:43:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah.

[0:43:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So, I know the clarification, I understand all that I understand that where we are in the process I understand that these are, you know, going through it it's pretty obvious that a lot of these corrections are just

[0:43:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): just tightening up language,

[0:43:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): bringing it in line with the land use bylaws,

[0:43:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that sort of stuff.

[0:43:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I totally appreciate that.

[0:43:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Those are really not the parts

[0:43:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that I'm tremendously curious about.

[0:43:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): What I feel like I'm a little bit out to see on

[0:43:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is a holistic understanding of the whole process,

[0:43:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): because this process has been ongoing

[0:43:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): for a long period of time.

[0:43:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I need just to sort of go through and be like,

[0:43:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): hey, what are the things that,

[0:44:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): where are the parts that we're seeing problems?

[0:44:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): what are the problems we were fixing

[0:44:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): at various parts of the process,

[0:44:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): just to get the history of it.

[0:44:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Because I can go through and I can cross-reference

[0:44:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the original bylaws, the current bylaws,

[0:44:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the proposed bylaws, the amendments.

[0:44:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I can do all of that stuff,

[0:44:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and I have done quite a lot of that.

[0:44:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I still feel like the overall,

[0:44:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I still need to capture the essence of the whole thing,

[0:44:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and you've been working on this for a long time.

[0:44:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I'm really sorry.

[0:44:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It's one of those things where it's,

[0:44:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): explain it to me like I'm five.

[0:44:35] that's that's that's where i start from on a lot of this stuff um and what i need is is to get that

[0:44:41] holistic understanding because i there's a lot of this stuff which probably is not a big deal

[0:44:45] um but i won't know unless i have a holistic understanding of what we're proposing as i say

[0:44:52] i don't want that to hold up this process but i if there's a chance for us to schedule a time to go

[0:44:58] through and i i think the the scope of that conversation is probably gonna take us a while

[0:45:06] um so i think it's worth

[0:45:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): it to do it not in a meeting where we're trying to get other business

[0:45:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): done this is this is for my information so that i can make good decisions when i come to a meeting

[0:45:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): doesn't need to be uh time taken up in a meeting it would be my perspective okay and that's yeah

[0:45:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, yeah, that's it.

[0:45:27] But thank you.

[0:45:30] So at this point,

[0:45:33] were both trustees accountable

[0:45:35] going forward with the proposed motions that we have?

[0:45:40] So I'm happy to make the first recommendation.

[0:45:43] Okay, let's get back to it.

[0:45:44] I move that the Demmon Island Local Trust Committee

[0:45:46] bylaw 228, cited as Demmon Island Local Trust Committee

[0:45:50] plan 2008,

[0:45:51] Trustee Graham: amendment number one of 2018 be amended

[0:45:53] Trustee Graham: as presented in the attachment to Schedule C land use designations of the staff report dated June 6, 2023.

[0:46:01] Seconder, any discussion? Call the questioner on favor?

[0:46:06] Last carried.

[0:46:07] Shall I continue?

[0:46:11] Trustee Graham: The Demarillo Local Trust Committee, bylaw 228, cited this Demarillo Official Community Plan,

[0:46:17] Trustee Graham: 2008, amendment number 1, 2018, be read a second time as amended.

[0:46:20] Trustee Graham: Is that in there?

[0:46:22] Trustee Graham: Any discussion?

[0:46:23] Voice 6: Call the question on paper.

[0:46:24] Voice 6: I'm curious.

[0:46:26] Voice 6: I can do some of them if you want to do that.

[0:46:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I move that the Devon Island Local Trust Committee

[0:46:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): by-law number 229,

[0:46:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): cited as Devon Island Land Use By-law 2008,

[0:46:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): amendment number one, 2018,

[0:46:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): be amended as follows.

[0:46:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): A, in part one administration, section 1.1,

[0:46:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): add where no permanent facilities are constructed

[0:46:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): constructed or erected after Assessment Act

[0:46:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in the Agritourism Definition.

[0:46:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): B, in section 1.23, table two, brackets eight,

[0:47:01] permitted buildings and structures

[0:47:02] delete for a period of two, brackets two, consecutive years.

[0:47:08] Second. Second.

[0:47:09] Discussion?

[0:47:10] Well,

[0:47:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a question on the paper, if that carries.

[0:47:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): That the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[0:47:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Committee bylaw number 229,

[0:47:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): cited as Denman Island Land Use Bylaw 2008,

[0:47:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): amendment number one, 2008.

[0:47:27] We read a second time as amended.

[0:47:29] Second. Second.

[0:47:30] Discussion or question or favor?

[0:47:32] That carries.

[0:47:34] Or number five. Number five.

[0:47:37] Trustee Graham: That the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[0:47:38] Trustee Graham: send notification all property owners

[0:47:41] Trustee Graham: affected by the changes outlined

[0:47:42] Trustee Graham: in attachment to Schedule C land use designations

[0:47:46] of the staff report dated June 6th, 2023.

[0:47:48] 23. second discussion got a question on the paper are

[0:47:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we going too fast vicky

[0:47:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah yeah no no that's good just making sure thank you

[0:48:02] want to take the last one sure uh i move

[0:48:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that the denver island local trust committee add a

[0:48:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): land use bylaw matrix to align the ocp land use designations with land use bylaw zoning

[0:48:17] zoning regulations to the future projects.

[0:48:20] Secondary discussion, or question on paper, that carries.

[0:48:26] Voice 6: All right.

[0:48:27] Voice 6: Thank you, Planner, very much.

[0:48:30] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[0:48:33] Voice 6: You have more work to do.

[0:48:38] Voice 6: And speaking of more work,

[0:48:42] Voice 6: hand it over to Planner Chadwick.

[0:48:44] Voice 6: All right.

[0:48:45] Voice 15: For the reason that we're all here today.

[0:48:48] Voice 15: Thank you, Chair Mowat.

[0:48:52] Voice 15: Yeah, okay. So, you know, I think what I'll do is go through the recommendations just so that

[0:49:01] Voice 15: people are aware of where the staff is at in terms of thinking about next steps.

[0:49:06] Voice 15: And then I'll go into the report a little bit.

[0:49:10] Voice 15: So, I just wanted to just mention a little bit of a sort of broad statement about the project in general and the report.

[0:49:19] Voice 15: report so um this this housing work is a bit of a journey and it is for the entire the entire housing

[0:49:27] Voice 15: uh island stress um um you know many of the islands are struggling in similar ways and um

[0:49:34] Voice 15: and the island's trust as a whole is trying to get our our ducks in a row on house so it's happening

[0:49:41] Voice 15: at the at the island stress level through the regional planning committee um and that's where

[0:49:49] Voice 15: where some work is being done to support the work that's happening at the LTC level.

[0:49:54] Voice 15: And a lot of research is happening.

[0:49:57] Voice 15: And when I say research, like I said, a lot of diving down into what's being done.

[0:50:01] Voice 15: We don't want to be doing that anymore.

[0:50:03] Voice 15: There's a lot of really good work that's been done in the past.

[0:50:07] Voice 15: We do need to, I mean, because things are changing all the time,

[0:50:11] Voice 15: we do need to, there are some facts that we need to bring to light.

[0:50:16] Voice 15: is it probably going to shift annually but it is important to get the information um but it uh it

[0:50:23] Voice 15: should not hold the process back um one of the intentions with this staff report was really

[0:50:29] Voice 15: to bring together um to reflect on all the work that has been done bring it together

[0:50:35] Voice 15: so it's it's easily accessible um for the community now but also into the future because

[0:50:41] Voice 15: all this work there's a lot being done but there's nothing that's pulled it all together

[0:50:45] Voice 15: So that was, that was one of the, that's one of the processes and purposes of this report,

[0:50:54] Voice 15: in addition to identifying some steps to move forward with housing.

[0:51:01] Voice 15: So in the nations, you know, one of the very first steps for us now with the trust in supporting

[0:51:11] Voice 15: our conciliation is to allow or to invite First Nations to make comment at the beginning of

[0:51:19] Voice 15: projects. In the past we've gone to First Nations once we've been through a process and that's

[0:51:26] Voice 15: something that we've been told time and time again is not appropriate. They want to know at the

[0:51:31] Voice 15: beginning of a process so that's one of our first steps here. Then the other one, the other thing

[0:51:39] Voice 15: that became very clear even in the outset of this of this project is that he's really wanted to make

[0:51:45] Voice 15: sure that the community's engaged in particularly the housing apc so that's one of these really

[0:51:51] Voice 15: important first steps for the community is to make sure that this report and you know other

[0:51:56] Voice 15: information will help the agency as a staff i will help the apc to find out what information we need

[0:52:04] Voice 15: to be able to go through, to look at offices of the community.

[0:52:10] Voice 15: So this report identifies some potential things to start to look at,

[0:52:14] Voice 15: and there may be others that are not captured in this report.

[0:52:20] Voice 15: The other thing, so myself and Renee spent a day on the island a few weeks ago,

[0:52:27] Voice 15: or I can't remember exactly when, it's all over, but not being here,

[0:52:30] Voice 15: not being here, it's the time.

[0:52:32] Voice 15: We spent some time with David and Sam and also got to go spend some time with Lord Meshachin up on their property,

[0:52:41] Voice 15: took a little bit there. So we went around the island a bit, looked at a few things, had a lot of good discussions.

[0:52:49] Voice 15: And one of the things that sort of emerged for me that I had some discussion with David and Sam about is that, you know,

[0:52:58] Voice 15: know, it's clear on them. And I myself to that there is housing

[0:53:04] Voice 15: that's there there's a happening that's not captured in materials

[0:53:09] Voice 15: that can't be captured by the consultant or staff person. And

[0:53:12] Voice 15: that's why we are putting in a recommendation for us to, to

[0:53:16] Voice 15: engage with them and housing action group to just capture

[0:53:21] Voice 15: that need. What so that, you know, there's a couple of

[0:53:25] Voice 15: purposes it's it's it's one to um to provide information to this process legalizing what

[0:53:32] Voice 15: the illegal circumstances that people might be existing in um but it's also looking forward and

[0:53:40] Voice 15: to the potential for funding in the future making a case or whatever it might be right without

[0:53:46] Voice 15: Without numbers, you know, you need to get the numbers in order to get the funding.

[0:53:54] Voice 15: So it's sort of just anticipating that.

[0:53:58] Voice 15: And I'm not going to guarantee that there's funding coming, but it's good to be prepared.

[0:54:05] Voice 15: So that's one of the other steps where we want to have some conversation about.

[0:54:09] Voice 15: um um a project charter is necessary for this and basically what a project charter does is it

[0:54:17] Voice 15: it's it identifies all the steps in the process and the amount of staff time that's allocated

[0:54:24] Voice 15: um so it what it will do is it'll identify um when public engagement whether you want

[0:54:30] Voice 15: the public engagement to happen you know before you hear from the abc or after the apc look for

[0:54:35] Voice 15: part and that's why i sort of left that i left it i didn't provide a project charter because i wanted

[0:54:40] Voice 15: to have a discussion of public engagement when you want to have a public engagement um and then

[0:54:44] Voice 15: and then it really identifies like the period of time that that uh that bylaws will be you know

[0:54:51] Voice 15: options will be considered decided bylaws will be drafted so it's very much uh it's just really

[0:54:57] Voice 15: identifying the technical process and right now um because i'm involved in a number of projects

[0:55:02] Voice 15: identifying staff time, we need to kind of organize the timing of things with the timing of other projects that I'm involved in.

[0:55:13] Voice 15: So it's a bit of a technical thing, but very important process.

[0:55:18] Voice 15: And again, I didn't provide that at this meeting because I thought we need to have some discussion about what the interest is with respect to public engagement and the timing of that.

[0:55:27] Voice 15: that. Um, the business case. So this is all part of the Trust

[0:55:37] Voice 15: Council process is that in order to allocate funding and staff

[0:55:43] Voice 15: time to launch projects, you need to submit each LTC if

[0:55:48] Voice 15: they're interested in doing a larger project or continue on

[0:55:51] Voice 15: larger project needs to submit business case, which will

[0:55:55] Voice 15: identify how much is needed as well as as funnily so that's that you know that's one of the

[0:56:04] Voice 15: that's that's the rule of that business case so it's kind of a again it's a sort of technical

[0:56:08] Voice 15: process thing but necessary for these larger projects and with that you know I did I mentioned

[0:56:16] Voice 15: the water availability assessment and I'll speak to that a little bit more when I talk about the

[0:56:21] Voice 15: suitable land analysis um so we're just looking at the report here like i said i you know one of

[0:56:28] Voice 15: the things i really wanted to do was really just capture with all everything that's happening in

[0:56:32] Voice 15: lander somewhere so somebody five years from now can pick it up and all they have to do is look at

[0:56:37] Voice 15: the last five years as opposed to the last 30. so i did get through that giant stack of

[0:56:44] Voice 15: of information and there's obviously a lot of passion

[0:56:48] Voice 15: and a lot of very intelligent sort of people

[0:56:52] Voice 15: who've been working on this for a long time.

[0:57:00] Voice 15: So, let's see what else do I need to point out here?

[0:57:06] Voice 15: Yeah, so that's sort of that, right?

[0:57:10] Voice 15: I don't think we'll go through it.

[0:57:11] Voice 15: And so through all of that material,

[0:57:14] Voice 15: And we've done this also at the trust-wide level, we went through, my colleagues went

[0:57:21] Voice 15: through about 50 reports and pulled out key recommendations and needs and it's really

[0:57:30] Voice 15: to make a point that a lot of things that have been said in the past are still relevant

[0:57:39] Voice 15: now and what we really need to be doing is getting it done.

[0:57:44] Voice 15: um so in terms of me i mean you're all here to understand the needs i pulled out some of the

[0:57:50] Voice 15: key ones that came out from my review of the documents clearly seeing yourselves

[0:57:55] Voice 15: our families um you know the people who work and volunteer on the islands um

[0:58:03] Voice 15: um and there's this there's also this um like i said so this hidden hidden homeless potentially

[0:58:09] Voice 15: potentially homeless. I mean, again, I mean, coming in, I don't know, I don't, I don't know, in the community, you know, what that reality is, but definitely, many of the reports have spoken to that, many people have spoken to that person here at LTC.

[0:58:29] Voice 15: The statistics tell us are a number of people in need, which means that they are paying

[0:58:36] Voice 15: well beyond what they're able to pay in their inadequate housing.

[0:58:40] Voice 15: So, you know, statistics tell us that they're 105, but those are the statistics that I've

[0:58:47] Voice 15: recorded.

[0:58:47] Voice 15: So, I'm at a higher than that, given that there's a lot out there that wouldn't be

[0:58:53] Voice 15: held by staff.

[0:58:57] Voice 15: So some of the housing needs considerations that I've identified that popped out is obviously affordable housing in any way, whether it's rental or whether it's ownership.

[0:59:08] Voice 15: Ownership feels like it's completely unattainable. However, like we're working on right now, we've developed a relationship with Habitat for Humanity.

[0:59:19] Voice 15: So that could be an option I haven't discussed, they've got different regional groups so we haven't picked up that conversation with this regional group but if that's of interest to the trustees that's something that we can certainly look at.

[0:59:40] Voice 15: Legalizing in-distance housing seems to be a real key thing for an island, and everybody's smiling and nodding, so I think that's where our focus needs to be, big time.

[0:59:52] Voice 15: And, you know, speaking to a mix of housing options, so, you know, so we legalize that.

[1:00:00] Voice 15: that we're legalizing? What are we allowing? Are they, you know, single units? Are they

[1:00:05] Voice 15: secondary suites? Are they, I can't remember, but different types of housing arrangements,

[1:00:14] Voice 15: like, you know, where you have communal kitchen, sleeping houses, sort of thing.

[1:00:20] Voice 15: You know, what is the type of housing that's being supported? There doesn't seem to be

[1:00:29] Voice 15: on any of what most of these islands um you know multi-family um big developments um

[1:00:40] Voice 15: there isn't there isn't an important so the the updating of housing is is particularly important

[1:00:46] Voice 15: this is something that i i'm learning myself um as i get into this work as i start to talk with

[1:00:51] Voice 15: um middle funders the work that i've done with um with main island is that um having really

[1:00:57] Voice 15: really understanding, the funders want to know

[1:01:01] Voice 15: that you really understand your housing need.

[1:01:03] Voice 15: I mean, we could say on all of these islands

[1:01:05] Voice 15: that there's absolutely whatever you build at,

[1:01:08] Voice 15: you know, there will be people.

[1:01:12] Voice 15: But having a clear idea of that,

[1:01:16] Voice 15: and that's the kind of information that the funders want.

[1:01:18] Voice 15: So if we can get that easily, it would be good.

[1:01:22] Voice 15: It's good.

[1:01:23] Voice 15: Again, it's looking ahead for potential opportunities.

[1:01:27] Voice 15: We're lucky, we've got Taryn, our very enthusiastic co-op student, so she's going to do a deep dive into the stats and do that quantitative piece for them, like what we've seen with stats, but that doesn't, you know, that doesn't tell the whole story, there's, like I was saying, we know that that doesn't tell the story, so what we need to know is the sort of community-based information, so working with the community to figure that out, capture that.

[1:01:59] Voice 15: So, in terms of thinking of housing, we've sort of kind of broken it down into, in the report, three questions.

[1:02:14] Voice 15: Where is it appropriate to put housing?

[1:02:15] Planner McCargar: And again, I

[1:02:16] Voice 15: mean, sometimes it organically, you know, it organically exists,

[1:02:19] Voice 15: exists and in which case we need to at least identify what additional supports those might need, because if it is in an area where there is no water, well that's not very healthy for people to be living, right? So, you know, what would it take?

[1:02:40] Voice 15: And we are at the trust-wise level, starting to do, we are doing what we're calling suitable

[1:02:48] Voice 15: land analysis, and that's basically taking all of the information that we know about

[1:02:52] Voice 15: the islands, so where the saltwater infusion is, the islands that shouldn't be destroyed,

[1:03:01] Voice 15: destroyed, where there's, like, slope challenges in an earthquake,

[1:03:12] Voice 15: boulders would fall on that sort of thing, and overlaying that on a map.

[1:03:19] Voice 15: So the data that we collect around the lake water, and we do now have the

[1:03:27] Voice 15: the recharge data for Denman Island. So what that information tells us is where on the island water is basically being captured and sort of where the best places on the island are for that.

[1:03:44] Voice 15: The water availability assessments will place another layer which looks at how much of that is used.

[1:03:54] Voice 15: So what is the ratio between how much is captured and how much is used?

[1:04:01] Voice 15: That's the additional layer.

[1:04:02] Voice 15: And that information, I mean, that may happen at a trust-wide level, but with Cabriola, Salt Spring, and Denman and Hornby,

[1:04:15] Voice 15: we want to use, like there's this next step and we are encouraging that the business cases for those islands do include that analysis.

[1:04:24] Voice 15: It may be that the Trust Council decides that they want to do it as a Trust Council project,

[1:04:31] Voice 15: and the RPC may decide that they want to put that forward.

[1:04:35] Voice 15: But I think if it exists in all the business cases, then we'll find a way to make it happen.

[1:04:40] Voice 15: And it is valuable, very valuable data.

[1:04:42] Voice 15: We've used that in the case of Maine, where we created this flexible housing regulation,

[1:04:52] Voice 15: regulation which allows for an additional or additional or more than one additional

[1:04:58] Voice 15: larger uh larger lots of smaller units within a maximum floor area of all instead of having one

[1:05:09] Voice 15: three thousand square foot home you could have three one thousand um and what so what that

[1:05:17] Voice 15: analysis has enabled us to do is just identify the areas which if we're going to say they're

[1:05:22] Voice 15: allowed to happen you know you know outright in some places we're not going to put them we're not

[1:05:28] Voice 15: going to support it where there isn't any water you don't really want to be putting more people

[1:05:33] Voice 15: where they're not um and other things or where it's going to be in on salt spring they've tried

[1:05:44] Voice 15: to they're trying to put through a bylaw where they're allowing additional liquids everywhere

[1:05:50] Voice 15: and that's causing a lot of tension in the in the community because they recognize that

[1:05:56] Voice 15: really shouldn't be putting more people and again when i talk to when i talk about putting more

[1:06:02] Voice 15: people it's really creating the opportunity for um for additional dwellings whereas um those the

[1:06:12] Voice 15: active building of the following is extremely costly so it's not so if you if you if you

[1:06:19] Voice 15: provide the opportunity for secondary streets or additional dwellings you're not going to see

[1:06:25] Voice 15: a huge influx of building because these things are very very expensive to build

[1:06:31] Voice 15: um in the south the the capital of the hill district is providing a developing a program

[1:06:37] Voice 15: that we may be able to take advantage of if we get funding from the federal government

[1:06:43] Voice 15: um to provide subsidies to build these units so so in the case of denman if if there was an

[1:06:51] Voice 15: an opportunity for funding for this kind of thing, the the

[1:06:55] Voice 15: biology allowed, you cannot take the funding for a lab to build

[1:07:00] Voice 15: housing, or to improve housing. And so the bulk of this report

[1:07:11] Voice 15: is really identifying a number of OCD and land use bylaw

[1:07:14] Voice 15: options, things to start looking at in terms of changing changes.

[1:07:19] Voice 15: And these have been, again, developed from having a good look at a lot of the things

[1:07:24] Voice 15: that have already been recommended through the reports, as well as going through the

[1:07:30] Voice 15: Land Use By-law and the OCP.

[1:07:32] Voice 15: So I mean, the OCP already speaks, there is housing in both, and the OCP actually speaks

[1:07:41] Voice 15: very directly to this the idea of um supporting more affordable affordable housing options um

[1:07:50] Voice 15: with a in consideration of environmental implications in general so that information

[1:07:56] Voice 15: is already in that so these these recommendations support some of what's already in there and there

[1:08:03] Voice 15: will also be need to be changes to accommodate some other options and alternatives um and i

[1:08:11] Voice 15: don't know if you want me to go through these um or if you're happy if there are particular

[1:08:17] Voice 15: questions that you have about the options thank you i

[1:08:23] Trustee Graham: appreciate your your capturing the essence

[1:08:26] Trustee Graham: um there's very little time in colorado for this and i presume that's because we're not we're not

[1:08:32] Trustee Graham: making some big decisions here we're moving this forward through our housing advisory planning

[1:08:37] Trustee Graham: commission uh that was our intent of creating

[1:08:41] Trustee Graham: that was that the bulk of the work the time that

[1:08:44] Trustee Graham: was going to be spent looking at the recommendations that flow through from the housing study and then

[1:08:50] Trustee Graham: the accumulated data that that um has gone through and it just gives the hapc a starting point

[1:09:00] Trustee Graham: to really dive, dig, twist, turn, remove and pack.

[1:09:07] Trustee Graham: So just to make some comments, I'd be happy to.

[1:09:17] Trustee Graham: First of all, I wanna just address the fact

[1:09:20] Trustee Graham: that we're getting some feedback from people on Demand

[1:09:24] Trustee Graham: who feel the trust has lost its focus

[1:09:27] Trustee Graham: on preserve and protect and is moving into a development

[1:09:31] Trustee Graham: housing for everybody, population explosion.

[1:09:34] Trustee Graham: And I wanna say that sounds like it's a fear-based reaction

[1:09:39] Trustee Graham: and it's not based in reality,

[1:09:40] Trustee Graham: but it's a fear-based that is real for those people.

[1:09:45] Trustee Graham: So let's just take two minutes and look at where we're at.

[1:09:48] Trustee Graham: On Denman right now, we have almost 25% of our land

[1:09:51] Trustee Graham: protected through either provincial regulation,

[1:09:54] Trustee Graham: through the largest provincial park in the Gulf Islands.

[1:09:57] Trustee Graham: A, Denman Conservancy has done an amazing job of capturing and having lands under their control.

[1:10:06] Trustee Graham: So that's 25%, and that's actually quite high on the trust.

[1:10:11] Trustee Graham: If you look at all the other islands, we were at about 15% when I was a trustee 10 years ago, so we've improved quite a lot.

[1:10:18] Trustee Graham: What's left? Well, a whole bunch of land is in the agricultural land reserve, and that adds another layer of protection.

[1:10:26] Trustee Graham: Well, some would say, well, farmers could just wipe everything out and grow food.

[1:10:31] Trustee Graham: And that's true. I live on what was once a farm.

[1:10:35] Trustee Graham: 30, 40 years ago, it was a forest because the farm was no longer profitable and became forest.

[1:10:41] Trustee Graham: Then it was whacked as a resource and we were left with stumps.

[1:10:47] Trustee Graham: I arrived 30 years ago. I now walk through a beautiful recovering forest.

[1:10:51] Trustee Graham: So nature, given an opportunity, will rebound.

[1:10:56] Trustee Graham: So having a farm doesn't stop protection.

[1:11:00] Trustee Graham: Concrete stops protection.

[1:11:02] Trustee Graham: Industrial waste stops protection.

[1:11:04] Trustee Graham: Open mining stops protection.

[1:11:07] Trustee Graham: So we're not really in that bad a position.

[1:11:11] Trustee Graham: Let me just continue on this idea that we're straying from preserve and protect.

[1:11:15] Trustee Graham: Every time we look at adding something to the land,

[1:11:18] Trustee Graham: we are very cognizant of what is the impact and how can we mitigate the impact but you're never

[1:11:24] Trustee Graham: going to make humans uh non-impactful we are a messy species we are just that's just who we are

[1:11:33] Trustee Graham: so other than taking everybody off the island and turning it into a preserve which is not going to

[1:11:38] Trustee Graham: happen um this is this is our reality we will have an impact our job is to minimize that impact and

[1:11:46] Trustee Graham: and make sure that we're doing the best job that we can um the concern that i hear that people say

[1:11:52] Trustee Graham: oh not

[1:11:52] Trustee Graham: another study well let's just put that in context the reason that we need to have data

[1:11:58] Trustee Graham: is if we're going to go after government funding and there's a lot of money being put forward by

[1:12:04] Trustee Graham: the fence and by the province and maybe even some of the regional district they require their they

[1:12:11] Trustee Graham: they require the studies.

[1:12:14] Trustee Graham: You don't even get to play in the game

[1:12:15] Trustee Graham: unless you've got the tools that they wanna look at.

[1:12:18] Trustee Graham: So it's important that we at least allocate some money

[1:12:22] Trustee Graham: to get those studies.

[1:12:24] Trustee Graham: It's not gonna stop or slow down what we're doing right here

[1:12:28] Trustee Graham: looking at the recommendations from the housing review

[1:12:32] Trustee Graham: and the data that's been accumulated over at least 30,

[1:12:35] Trustee Graham: 40 years.

[1:12:36] Trustee Graham: That's not gonna, it's just adds a possibility

[1:12:39] Trustee Graham: of getting on site pumping.

[1:12:42] Trustee Graham: and it can't, you know, who doesn't want to spend

[1:12:45] Trustee Graham: somebody else's money and build some housing here?

[1:12:46] Trustee Graham: That would be great.

[1:12:48] Trustee Graham: Let's face it, Dem and Green's not gonna happen

[1:12:50] Trustee Graham: without outside funding.

[1:12:52] Trustee Graham: Pepper Lane's not gonna be reinvigorated

[1:12:55] Trustee Graham: without outside funding.

[1:12:57] Trustee Graham: So unless, I don't know anybody that's ready

[1:12:59] Trustee Graham: to write a check for $8 million or $6 million.

[1:13:02] Trustee Graham: I don't know who those people are.

[1:13:05] Trustee Graham: So outside funding is important.

[1:13:08] Trustee Graham: At the same time, we have an example with Coho,

[1:13:11] Trustee Graham: No, no outside funding, self-funded.

[1:13:15] Trustee Graham: So it is possible to do it ourselves.

[1:13:18] Trustee Graham: It's just why lose the opportunity to have outside funding.

[1:13:24] Trustee Graham: Water is the limiting factor, obviously,

[1:13:27] Trustee Graham: but there's very little discussion about framework capture.

[1:13:32] Trustee Graham: And in the current climate reconfiguration of the planet,

[1:13:39] Trustee Graham: it and we're we're in it right now who knows how long this drug is going to last relying on

[1:13:45] Trustee Graham: groundwater is scary because it's crappy most anybody with a deep well will tell you they

[1:13:50] Trustee Graham: have to do a lot of work to get that water to be potable where it's drinkable but the rain does

[1:13:55] Trustee Graham: fall in the winter my goodness it really does and so we need to start shifting our ideas about

[1:14:02] Trustee Graham: punching holes in the dirt and really thinking about capturing rainwater and coho believe it

[1:14:07] Trustee Graham: or not have done all of their drinking water and their household water comes from the rain

[1:14:13] Trustee Graham: and they didn't know that they had their zoning allowed them to punch the hole in the ground and

[1:14:18] Trustee Graham: disperse that land that water to the 15 houses but they looked at the cost and they looked at

[1:14:24] Trustee Graham: the cost of developing their own cisterns and having more control of their individual water

[1:14:28] Trustee Graham: needs on their own conservation mindset and they said let's go with let's go with capturing the

[1:14:34] Trustee Graham: brand. So there's a blueprint of a really very interesting and very progressive idea.

[1:14:42] Trustee Graham: Brain capture. How do you beat the price of land? Well the only way I can see is to share the land.

[1:14:53] Trustee Graham: That's the only way. So instead of one person owning that land, a bunch of people could own

[1:14:57] Trustee Graham: the land. Or one person renting that land, a bunch of people rent that land. So we're talking about

[1:15:01] Trustee Graham: about land share a lot, the ability for something to happen.

[1:15:04] Trustee Graham: But that main island that distributed square footage

[1:15:07] Trustee Graham: is exactly a land share tool.

[1:15:10] Trustee Graham: So that's great.

[1:15:13] Trustee Graham: And the legalizing of the current housing options on Denman,

[1:15:20] Trustee Graham: this is something that should have happened

[1:15:21] Trustee Graham: a long, long time ago.

[1:15:23] Trustee Graham: Like islanders have been looking after islanders forever,

[1:15:26] Trustee Graham: for as long as I've been on this island.

[1:15:29] Trustee Graham: force them to do that illegally is cruel it causes stigma it causes fear and it removes

[1:15:36] Trustee Graham: opportunities for people who would like to do that but they don't want to break the law

[1:15:41] Trustee Graham: so this is this is a really powerful thing that we need to look at so those are those are kind

[1:15:46] Trustee Graham: of drawback i'll be happy to make those recommendations when we're ready yeah um

[1:15:56] i mean i would absolutely echo a lot of what david said to say i

[1:15:59] I think land sharing is a super important part of this.

[1:16:02] I think housing agreements are a very powerful tool

[1:16:05] to achieve that and to build that

[1:16:08] into what's happening on any given property.

[1:16:11] I'm very wary of looking at subdivision

[1:16:15] because subdivision,

[1:16:19] what subdivision does is it doubles the amount

[1:16:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of plots they can sell.

[1:16:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So what it does is by increasing the options

[1:16:29] for us to sell smaller and smaller packages, we increase the price of those places.

[1:16:33] We, we, we, we create a, an asset for people to buy and instead of, uh, using

[1:16:41] what,

[1:16:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): what already exists, I've had several people come to me in the last

[1:16:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): month who were talking about, Hey, we're elderly, our kid would love to come

[1:16:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and live on this property.

[1:16:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We're thinking about like, we'd love to build a little thing here, but we know

[1:16:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we can't do we subdivide and I'm like, don't subdivide like we're

[1:16:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We need to get to a place where our bylaws are allowing for you to build that place,

[1:17:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): allow them to still live on the property, because as soon as you subdivide, your kid

[1:17:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): decides they don't want to buy it, then what?

[1:17:10] You're selling it, and we have a whole new thing going on that's a more room for development

[1:17:15] coming there, instead of allowing our bylaws to capture what can be done creatively with

[1:17:21] existing properties.

[1:17:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I mean, part of the thing, there's a lot of stuff that I think we can do before we, like,

[1:17:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I'm absolutely cognizant that we need to, in terms of like, projects to build houses

[1:17:41] are going to require outside funding.

[1:17:42] I think, as we've said many times, there's a lot of housing that already exists.

[1:17:47] And we have $18,000 put aside for our housing project that is part of this project.

[1:17:56] I think, you know, a lot of that staff time

[1:17:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): can be used or that money can be used to let's, we know that there's problems with the bylaws as they exist.

[1:18:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We know that there's stuff that's not being captured.

[1:18:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): true uh i think that now we have a housing apc one of those things i would like to see is and i

[1:18:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): would make the referral pretty much right away is how what is the what housing is is there that

[1:18:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): exists now um that can and should be legalized and let's get a recommendation for an amendment

[1:18:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to a bylaw like let's just do that that doesn't cost us very that costs us very little and in

[1:18:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): terms of the actual work of doing it. David and I are very inexpensive. You know, we can do that.

[1:18:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): That's the thing we don't need to do a ton of work for. We already know it exists. I think we should

[1:18:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): get some wisdom from our housing ABC so that they can look at that and go, okay, what kind of houses

[1:18:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): do we want to, you know, what is there that exists out there? They have knowledge of what's out there

[1:18:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that as an official body, we're never going to get. Like, actually, if they are able to identify

[1:19:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): identify what those things are and then we can put that into language that says hey this is a lab

[1:19:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we're not going to come after you no one is

[1:19:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): going to come beat down your door like you're good and

[1:19:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): allow for that to be there and also empower landowners people who are living in those places

[1:19:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to increase their quality of living within those spaces that already exist but but until they're

[1:19:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): legal they don't you know you can't do that and it's not worth it to invest a ton of energy

[1:19:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): energy in improving a place that is a risk or I mean it is worth it to do it but it's hard it's

[1:19:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): harder to do that um the request staff to add public engagement options I think we know that

[1:19:57] one of our having this meeting we

[1:20:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): don't need to necessarily develop options on that I think we

[1:20:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): could just say hey let's do a meeting on this day there's I'm sure there's other options that can be

[1:20:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): developed and that can be part of that recommendation but one of the things I think we could do right

[1:20:18] off the bat theoretically is just let's have a day um and i maybe there's there's a requirement

[1:20:26] for staff to be there but i

[1:20:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): think in terms of like our role is to receive the voices of our community

[1:20:33] david and i can facilitate that we can be there we can be the ones who are being spoken to we can

[1:20:39] have those conversations and we can feed back into the into the

[1:20:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): lcc um there's a bunch of bits and

[1:20:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): pieces in terms of what's in in the staff report that i that i have questions about and you know

[1:20:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): feelings about i've already talked about subdivision and all this sort of stuff um

[1:20:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's all very important um but as david says like that is the role for our for our uh housing

[1:21:03] apc i'd love to see so we in the in the recommendation that's here we've uh there's

[1:21:09] a request for report uh on comments from the housing review for october um i would love to

[1:21:17] to get some feedback.

[1:21:19] It doesn't have to be a full report,

[1:21:20] but I would love to see even just initial feedback,

[1:21:25] initial thoughts from the Housing APC for our July meeting.

[1:21:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Just what they've seen, like the initial things,

[1:21:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): what they've identified as things

[1:21:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that they think are really important.

[1:21:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Maybe if they've got a top, like three things

[1:21:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that they'd like to talk about,

[1:21:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): doesn't have to be comprehensive,

[1:21:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): doesn't have to lead to a decision right then.

[1:21:42] But I think that would really help get them on the road

[1:21:48] and get you know empower them to meet soon and often to see that sort of stuff feedback to us

[1:21:55] and there's time constraints and all that sort of stuff but if everybody else thinks that's a dumb

[1:21:59] idea by all means but i think if we if we can encourage them to yeah get together and talk i

[1:22:05] know they want to uh so you know i think we should empower them to come back to us in july and say

[1:22:10] hey here are the here are the first three things we're going to still look at a bunch more stuff

[1:22:14] we're going to come up with recommendations but here's the stuff we're working on um i was going

[1:22:27] to say june 25th is sunday two weeks from now the

[1:22:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): community hall is not booked we could do a meeting

[1:22:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i had

[1:22:45] Voice 15: a couple of comments um i just wanted to um identify the i wanted to i wanted to i'll speak to

[1:22:55] Voice 15: i just want to speak a couple of things that but i also just wanted to um one of the things that

[1:22:59] Voice 15: i didn't get to that that i just wanted to provide a bit of um insight into um is that um i've

[1:23:06] Voice 15: mentioned in the report that the development of a housing action plan and i don't want that to

[1:23:13] Voice 15: be misconstrued as something that's huge or big i just did it for maine it's three pages

[1:23:19] Voice 15: and basically what it does is it takes all of the options that have been supported and just puts

[1:23:27] Voice 15: them into a structure um that then i'm now giving to the funder um so that's basically like so when

[1:23:36] Voice 15: When I talk about housing action plan, that's what I'm talking about is, and I was going to talk about it more in the next meeting, but I think there's some questions around it.

[1:23:45] Voice 15: So it's basically taking whatever the APC, whatever the community comes up with, whatever you come up with, putting it into some language that resonates with potential funders, essentially, and just kind of putting it together.

[1:24:01] Voice 15: The other thing that an action plan allows you to do is that all the work that you are deciding on is all land use, right?

[1:24:10] Voice 15: It's all got to do with what changes we're making here to facilitate and support the housing.

[1:24:15] Voice 15: There are other things, right?

[1:24:17] Voice 15: There are other things like creating a relationship with humanity, for example,

[1:24:22] Voice 15: like potentially starting a conversation with the Agricultural Land Reserve about pulling out portions

[1:24:35] Voice 15: So those are the kinds of things that can be can be landed in an action plan. And again, it's not a lengthy exercise. It's really like this additional things that we do. And what it does is it tells the next trust council, the next LTC, there's unfinished business, it allows you to allocate time.

[1:25:00] Voice 15: I just wanted to mention that.

[1:25:02] Voice 15: I just wanted to speak to the timing, October.

[1:25:06] Voice 15: So that timing is not,

[1:25:10] Voice 15: that was thinking about giving

[1:25:12] Voice 15: the housing advisory committee some time

[1:25:16] Voice 15: to pick through things and provide a formal report

[1:25:19] Voice 15: and then staff would come back and provide a report.

[1:25:21] Voice 15: 100%.

[1:25:22] Voice 15: I totally agree with you

[1:25:23] Voice 15: and I think that totally makes sense.

[1:25:24] Voice 15: Yeah. Absolutely.

[1:25:25] Voice 15: So just from a staff timing perspective,

[1:25:30] Voice 15: There won't be the opportunity to sort of bring that information together at that point in time, just again think balancing out the other projects, but then we can build this into the project charter in terms of timing.

[1:25:47] Voice 15: I wanted to speak to the public engagement and that is, do you really want to have a meeting like this or you've got $12,000 so

[1:25:56] Voice 15: So you could provide a meal, coffee, an outdoor event.

[1:26:03] Voice 15: Oh, I mean, it's really up to you.

[1:26:04] Voice 15: There's flexibility in how you wanna engage the community.

[1:26:07] Voice 15: I just wanted to point that out.

[1:26:08] Voice 15: No,

[1:26:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): no, I totally appreciate it.

[1:26:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I don't think we need to,

[1:26:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): like I think we need to rent a hall.

[1:26:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And I mean, I think if we gave Donna Woolley 150 bucks,

[1:26:18] she would supply a bunch of snacks and some coffee, plenty.

[1:26:22] I need it to be inexpensive.

[1:26:28] It's

[1:26:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): really, it's about getting in the room

[1:26:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and talking about the entire meeting.

[1:26:32] Voice 15: The only reason I bring this up is because I was just recently

[1:26:38] Voice 15: in contact with some colleagues

[1:26:39] Voice 15: that have done some public engagement. I was trying to get a sense of how they engage the public

[1:26:44] Voice 15: and they were, they were, they've done it so it could be a meeting, it could be just a setting up a client.

[1:26:58] Voice 15: having

[1:26:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): just done having just done a bc fairies public engagement session they they hired two

[1:27:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): facilitators they had a whole plan they didn't want to use microphones at all they had a whole

[1:27:09] organized plan for doing it around circle which there were elements of that that were very useful

[1:27:14] but there was a lot of inks built on creating a facilitation process instead of actually just

[1:27:23] showed up in the room and there's some really simple steps and we david and i know a lot of

[1:27:29] these people um it's i think as long as we set like some some ground off the bat and be like

[1:27:35] hey we're all here to just talk let's not play off the handle and do we have a process for

[1:27:40] deciding who's talking that's all that needs to be done

[1:27:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and i think we're more than capable

[1:27:47] Voice 8: throw

[1:27:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): too much throw too much on it it's gonna it's gonna just and i'd much rather spend that

[1:27:52] money on paying you to help us chase down the law please change um the uh in terms of uh yeah in

[1:28:03] terms of in terms of talking about the housing apc and then sort of putting this first to that for

[1:28:08] for july is less about uh needing staff to pull information together or formalize a report like

[1:28:14] or even for the the habc to actually come up with a formal report it's really just

[1:28:19] hey

[1:28:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you guys have had a meeting cool how'd that go what are you thinking great you guys are good

[1:28:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Do you need anything more from us? Can we give it to you? No? Cool. Talk to you on our show."

[1:28:30] That's the extent of the conversation. But I'd like to ask them to come to us in July and say,

[1:28:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): hey, we've talked about some stuff. We've all read the papers. We're good. We don't have any

[1:28:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): other suggestions yet, but we're working. That's the extent of what I want to hear.

[1:28:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And yeah, again, there's a lot of these things in terms of building relationships with other

[1:28:51] bodies all that sort of stuff that's all well and good but again a lot of this housing already

[1:28:56] exists it's it's effectively free we just need to legalize it that's the that's the first step

[1:29:03] and that's going to make a huge difference right off the bat then we can start to get fancy with

[1:29:08] it then we can start thinking about how are we going to develop things how are we going to make

[1:29:11] it possible for another co-owner you know how are we going to make it attractive for someone to

[1:29:16] to offer land to use in that way.

[1:29:21] Again, these don't necessarily have to be

[1:29:23] big expensive projects,

[1:29:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but we need to get the parts of our current land use bylaws

[1:29:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that are standing in the way of those developments

[1:29:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of that growth or not even growth,

[1:29:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): already capturing what exists.

[1:29:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): What the stuff that's making what currently exists illegal

[1:29:41] is the stuff we need to get away.

[1:29:42] And I know David, like I feel, faced the same, you know, concerns from people that David was talking about earlier in terms of worrying about that this LTC is like, you know, gunpo for development.

[1:29:55] We want to, you

[1:29:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): know, mass population growth, all this sort of stuff.

[1:29:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): When I look at the stats.

[1:30:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): for Denman over the years, and I am part of this spurt of population growth, but it's

[1:30:07] not a straight line. People will all

[1:30:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): talk about which wave they came in when they came

[1:30:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to Denman. Did you come in 1980? Did you come in the early 90s? There's peaks of growth,

[1:30:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and then it stops for a while. It's not a straight line. We're not advocating for a

[1:30:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): straight line. We're not advocating for just development for development's sake. We don't

[1:30:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): want a lot of development like there's there's a lot of housing that could be created without

[1:30:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): cutting any more trades down um and it's we've just got to make sure that what we're doing here

[1:30:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is not getting in the way of that and that's that's really the the first step everything

[1:30:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): else from that is great but it's the next step i'm sorry i know you know this

[1:30:57] Trustee Graham: I appreciate those words yeah the first one's easy yes we should engage for stations earlier

[1:31:05] Trustee Graham: in the process that's respectful and I I think they demonstrated land sharing a long long time

[1:31:13] Trustee Graham: ago so you know I think we can learn don't know that's

[1:31:18] Voice 6: so I'm happy to make that first

[1:31:20] Voice 6: like we'll get some interaction if that's okay absolutely yeah because i've

[1:31:28] Voice 3: been sitting on

[1:31:29] Voice 3: comments about this report um before recommendations are made is there a time when we can talk

[1:31:36] Voice 3: this

[1:31:37] Voice 6: is the time

[1:31:37] Voice 3: this is the time thank you um i trust that we all accept and are learning about

[1:31:47] Voice 3: the human right to housing um and i just want to remind everybody that that's what we're here

[1:31:52] Voice 3: discussing uh is all these housing challenges are about a human right that is being denied

[1:32:01] Voice 3: and delayed so i invite you to put that lens onto all the discussions here this is a human rights

[1:32:08] Voice 3: discussion um i really appreciate so the denman island housing review has a specific mandate

[1:32:15] Voice 3: And that's where we are. We're in the second year of the Demanon Housing Review with its specific mandate, which has already been created.

[1:32:23] Voice 3: What's in scope, what's out of scope. That document already exists on the website for the Local Trust Committee.

[1:32:30] Voice 3: This is our second year. We've been waiting decades for this housing review.

[1:32:36] Voice 3: This has been a long time coming. It's been over a decade.

[1:32:42] Voice 3: The staff report, I really appreciate the two tables.

[1:32:45] Voice 3: that was excellent work that's like so relevant to where we're at the uh specific changes that

[1:32:51] Voice 3: need to be made on that ocp and the land use bylaw thank you narissa for doing that work that was

[1:32:57] Voice 3: we've been missing that and that's so good to have that and it's important and that's the kind of

[1:33:02] Voice 3: work i would love to see staff continue to focus on what are the specific ways that can support

[1:33:08] Voice 3: this bylaw review um this has been it was a very difficult report for me to read because

[1:33:16] Voice 3: i've been working on this for 20 years um there's been so many staff changes in that 20 years and we

[1:33:25] Voice 3: people are trying to get caught up with what we're doing on denman and how we live on denman and

[1:33:30] Voice 3: we're very secretive how we live on denman um we're also very approachable i was very sad to

[1:33:40] Voice 3: hear that the staff were here discussing housing with people but the denman island housing action

[1:33:45] Voice 3: group was not contacted it's good to see us mentioned in the report but again why

[1:33:52] Voice 3: have we not been contacted by staff to have these discussions that's good

[1:33:57] Voice 3: concerning to see us mentioned but not engaged and yet you were here engaging

[1:34:06] Voice 3: so that's kind of insulting I've been working on this for over two years the

[1:34:12] Trustee Graham: clarification yes

[1:34:13] Voice 3: they

[1:34:14] Trustee Graham: weren't consulting they were they wanted to talk

[1:34:16] Trustee Graham: to the trustees and just get us a very light uh exposure to i showed them devon green site

[1:34:25] Trustee Graham: we walked the pepper lane site um they were a co which is an excellent example of a

[1:34:31] Trustee Graham: intentional community and i showed them personally some areas where housing has been happening

[1:34:37] Trustee Graham: illegally that was it they have already put an opportunity to engage with the devon housing

[1:34:49] Trustee Graham: your time will come at the appropriate time that wasn't the time that wasn't that wasn't

[1:34:55] Voice 4: that

[1:34:55] Trustee Graham: wasn't the time to uh talk to you that was this was a this was a different process

[1:35:05] Trustee Graham: i'll just leave it i

[1:35:10] Voice 3: believe staff to be well-meaning people i believe they care but

[1:35:14] Voice 3: they don't have a commitment to this island they don't have the um grounding in the silent

[1:35:19] Voice 3: you don't know the people, you don't understand the strange and vibrant functionality that we have,

[1:35:26] Voice 3: the interchange, you don't know the truths about Denman water.

[1:35:34] Voice 3: That's clear in your staff report. You don't understand what the water situation on Denman is.

[1:35:41] Voice 3: You don't know yet how we do share with each other.

[1:35:45] Voice 3: There are things about our community and our culture that you don't understand that's reflected in the staff report.

[1:35:50] Voice 3: That's what makes it very difficult for me after 20 years of working on this to read it.

[1:35:55] Voice 3: It's very triggering because we're talking about human rights being denied for a lot of years now.

[1:36:02] Voice 3: Now we understand that this is a human rights denial.

[1:36:07] Voice 3: Seeing all these extra things stacked onto our necessary bylaw review is really troubling.

[1:36:14] Voice 3: I'm not saying they're not valid things.

[1:36:16] Voice 3: things and just say they're not they don't belong here they belong on a separate track but if they're

[1:36:24] Voice 3: here they're going to complicate our bylaw review and we don't need more complications we don't need

[1:36:29] Voice 3: a new project charter to go after not for the bylaw review if if there's an interest in going

[1:36:37] Voice 3: after funding that's a separate i believe that's a separate track entirely that's a separate

[1:36:42] Voice 3: conversation. So seeing that rolled into a staff report about our bylaw review is extremely frustrating because it complicates things further.

[1:36:55] Voice 3: It is true that the Islands Trust as a whole is required by the province to do a housing needs assessment every five years.

[1:37:03] Voice 3: Our current housing needs assessment is out of date. That is true. That needs to be done.

[1:37:09] Voice 3: Again, it doesn't belong here in the housing review.

[1:37:11] Voice 3: view that kind of housing bylaw review that is an island's trust thing it's not a diamond island

[1:37:17] Voice 3: thing i can see how it will be helpful when it's time to apply for funding but i don't agree with

[1:37:23] Voice 3: it belonging in the same staff report because i'd like to see our trustees separate this out

[1:37:29] Voice 3: we already have a mandate we already have a focus the other things are valid but they don't belong

[1:37:34] Voice 3: on here in our land use bylaw review. And I'm concerned that they are going to slow it down

[1:37:41] Voice 3: and further keep us from meeting the human right to housing. The work that we need from staff is

[1:37:46] Voice 3: work that is inside the review mandate. That includes reports on what creative housing bylaws

[1:37:51] Voice 3: are being used in other rural jurisdictions. We don't have that information. I would hope

[1:37:56] Voice 3: you can get us that information. What are other people doing in rural areas to meet this? Not

[1:38:01] Voice 3: urban but rural we need staff to find your draft proposals of housing agreements templates housing

[1:38:08] Voice 3: agreement templates that support our community values which include affordable intergenerational

[1:38:14] Voice 3: creative housing options land sharing water collection and conservation we want to leave

[1:38:20] Voice 3: the groundwater where it is we already know that it's full of sulfur it's full of methane

[1:38:25] Voice 3: it's full of things that we just want to leave there in the ground we need staff to find and

[1:38:31] Voice 3: report on examples of tiny home parks tiny home being loosely defined could include trailer bus

[1:38:38] Voice 3: yurts and supportive regulations that are already existing or being built in other rural jurisdictions

[1:38:45] Voice 3: we need more of the specific like the chart that you gave us for the ocp and the land use

[1:38:50] Voice 3: by law suggestion changes of suggestions of changes we need more of that specific concrete

[1:38:57] Voice 3: support that stays in scope with the housing bylaw review please can we have that yes funding is

[1:39:05] Voice 3: important to build things but we're not there yet that's like a case to be made months down the road

[1:39:13] Voice 3: for next year right now we're doing a bylaw review we need to stay focused on what we're doing

[1:39:17] Voice 3: so that we can finally get it done thank you for your time i'm

[1:39:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): just i'm just feeding back to you

[1:39:24] yeah i mean i agree with a lot of that ryan you are on our

[1:39:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): housing apc um that that is this is

[1:39:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's the sort of feedback exactly that i want to see in july and i'd love to hear it come from

[1:39:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): from from the whole housing apc and obviously you know represent that to us but but in this

[1:39:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you're one of the voices there but i'd love to hear that discussion be like okay so we think

[1:39:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): this is the important thing these are the things we need to do now like there's a there's a lot

[1:39:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of good stuff in the report and and marissa you said this too there's no point in getting funding

[1:39:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to build stuff if the if the live use bylaws don't allow for it right off the bat so we know that

[1:40:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's the first step that's exactly the sort of thing and your your insights and feedback on this

[1:40:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): report are going to be really valuable for us as the ltc to to to prioritize how we go after this

[1:40:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): like that's that's exactly it and i think we're you know we absolutely we've said we have a

[1:40:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): standing resolution affirming the right to housing i think we all really know and value that and we

[1:40:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): appreciate your work as always but

[1:40:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah thank you my

[1:40:40] Voice 3: name is

[1:40:41] Voice 3: I live here for three years, I live at Coho, and Coho, on music, encapsulated as an example of the

[1:40:56] Voice 3: inappropriateness of checking where the water in the ground is. Basically, because everyone has,

[1:41:03] Voice 3: people have said, there isn't any. Coho, did you see all our cisterns? Huge ones at the big house,

[1:41:12] Voice 3: every house has their own, they use their own, they share it, they got it.

[1:41:18] Voice 3: The reason they decided to do that, I cannot believe it was because of the cost of plumbing every lot.

[1:41:28] Voice 3: It was for the purpose of conservation.

[1:41:33] Voice 3: The humans lived up on the top where there was no vegetation,

[1:41:37] Voice 3: No vegetation. No, did you look down at the ground? Rubble, we call it. No vegetation and no water.

[1:41:46] Voice 3: And that's where they designated that the humans would live.

[1:41:51] Voice 3: Down where the forest starts and the soil starts to change, there is a well.

[1:41:56] Voice 3: Not right by the house, but there's a well. I'm trying to use that water.

[1:42:00] Voice 3: they're getting wet, it doesn't make any sense, they're unusable plants and you wouldn't even want to run it through your house if you could.

[1:42:09] Voice 3: So, they left the forest and the water in its natural state,

[1:42:17] Voice 3: and now they have a garden down there, a garden and an orchard,

[1:42:21] Voice 3: And they're now

[1:42:22] Voice 3: running water from that yucky well down, right down, to a well slash open ground, down to the ground.

[1:42:36] Voice 3: So to me, that's an example of the futility of looking for water under the ground.

[1:42:45] Voice 3: We have an excellent supply of yucky water.

[1:42:48] Voice 3: There's an artesian well that's on someone's private property, and there's all the people.

[1:42:53] Voice 3: folks sell it to us so that's where we're going and the rest comes out of the sky and that's the future

[1:43:01] Voice 3: not just the denman island of the world we can't be second only

[1:43:09] Voice 3: so anyway i just wanted to say that we don't need this little water rarely that in general when

[1:43:20] Voice 3: when we're thinking of having a house

[1:43:23] Voice 3: or thinking of helping people,

[1:43:25] Voice 3: it starts to take a while.

[1:43:27] Voice 3: Mr. Cruz, sister, and then...

[1:43:33] Voice 3: So that's the difference between Den of Life and Tori of Life.

[1:43:42] Voice 3: I totally understand the water.

[1:43:44] Voice 3: I have a history here, I spent

[1:43:47] Voice 4: a lot of time with Den of Life,

[1:43:48] Voice 4: but I always brought water.

[1:43:53] Voice 15: So again, I really understand it.

[1:43:56] Voice 15: And I mean, if you're not going to accept it by life,

[1:44:01] Voice 15: I mean, it's it really is the decision of the community. I mean, if you're just looking at legalizing what Oregon is, right, make those, make those more, you know, do the things, maybe you're looking at citing use permits only with the sister, maybe that's as far as you get for the water.

[1:44:21] Voice 15: so um so and you know you you know where there is no water you're also the vegetation is challenged

[1:44:30] Voice 15: and you're also challenged from a fire protection so yes water is perfect to drink but are you going

[1:44:36] Voice 15: to put a bunch of people or are you going to support people to be in a place where there is

[1:44:40] Voice 15: there's no water that can access in case of fire right so there's other

[1:44:50] Voice 15: beautiful example yeah it's well that's extremely impressive and um and but these are the other

[1:44:58] Voice 15: considerations and these are the things and i do

[1:45:02] Voice 15: understand that and then like i'm saying

[1:45:04] Voice 15: all the islands um in in the islands i've spent the most um in fact my you know i was a planning

[1:45:14] Voice 15: students when I first came to London. So all of my thinking about how things will be

[1:45:19] Voice 15: different is really rooted in my experiences. So, you know, I do actually, I haven't done this on this project, so I'm

[1:45:30] Voice 15: hoping that everybody will still like me at the end of it. I want to be able to come back.

[1:45:35] Voice 3: I'm sure a question helps.

[1:45:43] Voice 3: In the process of this new review, of bringing it all together, are you going to have homeless

[1:45:50] Voice 3: talent?

[1:45:52] Voice 15: Well, this is what we're talking about, is trying to get a sense of what the reality

[1:45:59] Voice 15: is.

[1:45:59] Voice 15: Things that are uncaptured, and how do we do that?

[1:46:03] Voice 15: I've suggested in the staff report that we engage the Housing Action Group.

[1:46:10] Voice 15: have been um i mean we haven't really had a discussion of that about that but i'd like to

[1:46:14] Voice 15: have a discussion with you about about how we might capture that and maybe it's not you that

[1:46:18] Voice 15: do it maybe it's others but like i bet i don't know how we'll capture that i know the community

[1:46:40] Voice 15: especially you know giving the trustees to i mean i

[1:46:43] Voice 15: think everyone's on the same page here right like

[1:46:45] Voice 15: Like, I mean, it's really about, it's really about supporting existing housing that isn't legal, or isn't safe, right?

[1:46:50] Voice 15: So let's see what we can do to do that.

[1:46:52] Voice 15: But let's figure out, let's find out what, like, we need to know what it, you know, because if you're going to be creating the bylaws to allow, you know, three, I mean, at least, is that enough?

[1:47:05] Voice 15: I mean, like, we need to do the things.

[1:47:08] Voice 15: And once it's legal, it's recognized, and it's permitted, then there's an onus on elected people to

[1:47:20] Voice 4: ensure that...

[1:47:37] Voice 9: Hi, Chair

[1:47:38] Voice 10: Maude. We're losing

[1:47:38] Voice 9: a bit of sound here.

[1:47:42] Voice 3: I encourage you to consult with us. We're also part of the Canadian Federation.

[1:47:56] Voice 3: Information that we're gathering, some of which Rhianne said that we should gather.

[1:48:03] Voice 3: There's a couple other groups that are working hard on Denman, on housing, we're all listening to each other.

[1:48:11] Voice 3: In terms of, you know, funding, these two groups have worked very effectively.

[1:48:18] Voice 3: Helen's Trust saw the most, you know, and with funders.

[1:48:27] Voice 3: We've been very successful with funding applications based on all the information we opened.

[1:48:38] Voice 3: Don't exclude us because anything from this thing.

[1:48:56] Voice 6: thank

[1:48:58] Voice 10: you through the chair this is a lot of really great conversation that's happening

[1:49:03] Voice 10: um i'm mindful that there are some recommendations and next steps um for action here i would love to

[1:49:11] Voice 10: see some of the next steps and that's included in this i think there's some work that planner

[1:49:17] Voice 10: or Chadwick will meet to do in terms of identifying some meetings in the future, scheduling some

[1:49:24] Voice 10: meetings so that we can share that with the LTC in what we would call a public engagement

[1:49:29] Voice 10: plan or a series of activities to make sure we hold some of these really valuable conversations,

[1:49:37] Voice 10: including the referral with the Demond Island Housing Action Group and the Planning Housing

[1:49:44] Voice 10: Housing Action Advisory Committee, pardon me.

[1:49:47] Voice 10: So I'm just mindful of the way

[1:49:50] Voice 10: where we're collecting our conversation today.

[1:49:53] Voice 10: We'll all be captured on public for public records.

[1:49:56] Voice 10: So Planner Chowick can use it

[1:49:59] Voice 10: and that there are some decisions

[1:50:02] Voice 10: and discussion from the trustees to have today as well.

[1:50:06] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:50:09] Voice 4: Hi,

[1:50:11] Voice 5: my name is Erin O'Brien

[1:50:12] Voice 5: Brian and I live in Edmonton and have for, since really the 90s, and myself lived in a school bus and have required, survival has required being very creative around things like sewage and water and making sure that electricity is safe and all of that since the beginning.

[1:50:31] Voice 5: beginning and now being a homeowner and every season is a new opportunity to be creative

[1:50:38] Voice 5: because water is, of course, something as well,

[1:50:42] Voice 3: yeah,

[1:50:45] Voice 5: availability to fuel and on and

[1:50:48] Voice 5: on and on, right?

[1:50:49] Voice 5: So the world is changing.

[1:50:50] Voice 5: Who knows where we're going to be?

[1:50:51] Voice 5: But I do just want to touch on the work that's going on.

[1:50:55] Voice 5: Thank you for your efforts and thank you to the trustees who are really dedicated to community

[1:51:01] Voice 5: and to solutions-based progressive movements.

[1:51:05] Voice 5: So I'm

[1:51:06] Voice 5: grateful for the strength and the determination.

[1:51:10] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:51:11] Voice 5: And I'm grateful

[1:51:12] Voice 5: that you have a deep connection to them

[1:51:14] Voice 5: because that's really required.

[1:51:16] Voice 5: And to understand the passion that you spoke of

[1:51:19] Voice 5: in terms of compiling, articulating well-educated,

[1:51:22] Voice 5: well-presented stats and reference materials,

[1:51:26] Voice 5: That passion comes from a place of deep, deep, deep grief, fear, desperation, forced poverty,

[1:51:46] Voice 5: marginalized, marginalizing our community members and those children and families.

[1:51:52] Voice 5: And we've talked about that second generation, that third generation that we're moving into,

[1:51:57] Voice 5: to people who are still unhoused, and it's really painful.

[1:52:03] Voice 5: So when I hear things like, you know,

[1:52:06] Voice 5: one of the obstacles to moving forward, you know,

[1:52:09] Voice 5: it shouldn't be an obstacle, but I see, you know,

[1:52:12] Voice 5: why am I concerned as an environmentalist and as a mother

[1:52:16] Voice 5: when I hear, you know,

[1:52:17] Voice 5: that there's a suitable land use analysis?

[1:52:20] Voice 5: Why doesn't that make me feel excited, you know,

[1:52:23] Voice 5: that we're working together?

[1:52:24] Voice 5: And so I think it's simply not because I'm against

[1:52:28] Voice 5: against a review of suitable land analysis but because i'm frightened again i go right back into

[1:52:36] Voice 5: that reptilian fright around who's defining suitable and how do we look at it so you know

[1:52:44] Voice 5: is it happening in a way that's going to move us forward or is it happening in a way that's going

[1:52:50] Voice 5: to obstruct movement so when you were speaking to that the first thing that came to mind was

[1:52:55] Voice 5: well you know on the ridge where they put the people and i thought oh my gosh if that suitable

[1:53:01] Voice 5: land use um overlay was used in terms of decision making cocoa wouldn't be there right and so one of

[1:53:09] Voice 5: the reasons why coho had to make the concessions that they did was to kind of tease into bylaws and

[1:53:16] Voice 5: be accepted by um trust and i remember at the time when they were talking about okay there's

[1:53:22] Voice 5: going to be no cars in the upper area we're going to only rain water collection and we're going to

[1:53:26] Voice 5: you know put everybody in a horseshoe so there's you know 98 groups whatever it is but everybody's

[1:53:31] Voice 5: going to be in 16 lots right beside each other and i thought oh that's really progressive and

[1:53:36] Voice 5: beautiful but really all of those decisions were shaped on trying to get permission and that's

[1:53:42] Voice 5: so i just want to say that what that proves is twofold one is that when you allow for a

[1:53:51] Voice 5: cracking the wall the water finds its way through and and and and built a new channel and so that's

[1:53:58] Voice 5: really what i'm looking for is ways of building um new channels for denman but looking at historical

[1:54:05] Voice 5: success and you know as partly housing action committee we've looked at all kinds of things

[1:54:11] Voice 5: so when i see any of successful examples of people working together to build safe and

[1:54:16] Voice 5: sustainable communities whether that's um health and harm reduction or whether that's

[1:54:20] Voice 5: environmental sustainability or whether that's community empowerment

[1:54:24] Voice 5: through business and opportunities to move forward that we've seen

[1:54:28] Voice 5: in CoCo. So what I would say here is when I hear people

[1:54:33] Voice 5: specifically in ERISA speaking about statistics and numbers and the importance of that

[1:54:37] Voice 5: required for allocation of funding, yeah, that's

[1:54:43] Voice 5: awesome. And we're going to need that funding. And like you say, David, we are going to need

[1:54:47] Voice 5: those numbers. However, the

[1:54:51] Voice 5: housing action person save time right save time and money let's make it legal to exist and find

[1:55:01] Voice 5: ways to empower solutions that are super super

[1:55:04] Voice 5: basic so instead of getting caught up in how are

[1:55:07] Voice 5: we going to control population we look more at how are we going to manage resource and how are

[1:55:13] Voice 5: we going to support the reduction of harmful land use and so I look at things like solutions based on super

[1:55:22] Voice 5: duper basic land use commitments around water and around sewage and that's

[1:55:30] Voice 12: about it you know

[1:55:32] Voice 5: like I actually am a trained environmental technologist I went to school for environmental

[1:55:36] Voice 5: science. I'm a park operator. I work for BC Parks. I'm passionate about our rural community

[1:55:44] Voice 5: and keeping it that way. I'm also the person that goes out, like I was just telling David

[1:55:49] Voice 5: yesterday, my morning, which I did not have extra time, was to go and visit somebody who's

[1:55:55] Voice 5: near Cameron Lake, who went there as a refugee from Denman because she had nowhere and she was

[1:56:01] Voice 5: pushed off and she was desperate. And now she's near Cameron Lake in a trailer, four kilometers

[1:56:06] Voice 5: from the fire that's coming in with these other bombers flying over her house and she's just gone

[1:56:14] Voice 5: from a trauma situation here and now all of a sudden is in a trauma situation there with no

[1:56:22] Voice 5: no no no options she's just sobbing to me you know in a beautiful way in a heartfelt way in an

[1:56:29] Voice 5: honest way where do i go what do i do and this is a woman like i'm 50 right this is a woman who's

[1:56:37] Voice 5: my peer and has never had a home because she's been trying to live on denman and and has a

[1:56:43] Voice 5: community here and that's safe to hear and raise kids here so um i

[1:56:49] Planner McCargar: would just say

[1:56:50] Voice 5: that there are

[1:56:50] Voice 5: so many working houses and if we reduce our expectation around control to a place that

[1:57:01] Voice 5: really meets our bottom line around providing safe affordable and permanently stable

[1:57:08] Voice 5: able to get in and keep the foundations that were legal, I think we'd really save a lot

[1:57:15] Voice 5: of money and time, and then we'd continue to work on the other pieces that are so important

[1:57:21] Voice 5: around acquiring funding and making inroads with government, and I love the focus idea

[1:57:28] Voice 5: of thank you plans, and I want to make sure that those are shifted in a way that's empowering

[1:57:34] Voice 5: and provides that.

[1:57:38] Voice 5: Okay, thank you so much.

[1:57:40] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:57:44] Sam?

[1:57:45] yeah um yeah and i i together some what mary was saying earlier in terms of like

[1:57:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a year from now

[1:57:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): status quo is hard there's stuff we can do now that doesn't require the the higher level stuff

[1:58:01] we sort of pulled exactly what it was yeah like if we were just using cocoa might help will not

[1:58:13] exist how and this is and i can feel narissa's this is right in narissa's glands right now

[1:58:22] Now, it's also really useful for helping us inform.

[1:58:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think it's important that we recognize

[1:58:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that we don't have to,

[1:58:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we shouldn't be setting ourselves up

[1:58:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to be bound by that tool

[1:58:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and to only use that tool as to decide

[1:58:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): where has it happened.

[1:58:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): However, it can also tell us,

[1:58:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): okay, well, what else is like,

[1:58:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): are we building right below it for the conversation?

[1:58:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It's not just about water.

[1:58:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It's not just about those things.

[1:58:46] It can be a useful tool

[1:58:47] and having that information is helpful,

[1:58:48] but it's how we choose to do these three sisters.

[1:58:59] I

[1:59:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): think well over two thirds of my income to live here.

[1:59:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I am just as, I am in very real danger of being run off, which would be a fabulous political statement, but as a current city trustee, but awful for me.

[1:59:14] In terms of talking about, because there is

[1:59:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a lot of nuance and a lot of subtlety in terms of getting the information that we need to make informed decisions, but not, you know, there's a lot of that information, which by necessity cannot be delivered to a government.

[1:59:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Again, one of the utilities I hope to see from ABC is that they have the tools and TLA and the various bodies that exist on demand.

[1:59:46] We have the ways to make sure that we're in the legal hope to ask them.

[2:00:00] the Housing ABC to come to us with is recommendations

[2:00:04] on how we can cater to situations that we can't

[2:00:10] and shouldn't directly seek to monitor

[2:00:14] with a person walking onto that property and examining it.

[2:00:16] And that's a very complicated question,

[2:00:20] but I'd love to see if the Housing ABC

[2:00:22] and the other groups have suggestions on.

[2:00:25] So what are some situations,

[2:00:26] what's a for instance that you know exists

[2:00:28] that we can capture in a lot so that it's protected um and that that's going to be complicated i don't

[2:00:34] know if there's an easy way to do that but um yeah that's yeah so

[2:00:41] Voice 6: i was the regional planning

[2:00:44] Voice 6: manager just got her hands up so okay

[2:00:46] Voice 15: i just wanted to speak this very quickly i just want

[2:00:49] Voice 15: to say uh let's answer bang on i mean because you have the information you use that information

[2:00:55] Voice 15: in however you want, and suitable land might be the place where it's already been cleared,

[2:01:02] Voice 15: there's already people living there, that might actually be what suitable land means

[2:01:06] Voice 15: and then then, right? The map might tell you don't put people there.

[2:01:09] Voice 15: If people have already got guide systems all working out, that might be what suitable land is.

[2:01:16] Voice 15: We can't be tied

[2:01:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to it, but it can be a really useful tool to

[2:01:20] Voice 15: know those things.

[2:01:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): The

[2:01:21] Voice 15: other thing that I'll mention as well is that that process and doing a look at the up-to-date housing needs assessment, that is not taking any time at all.

[2:01:39] Voice 15: That's being done by other people. That's being done as part of other projects. So there's no worry there.

[2:01:48] Voice 6: Okay, so we're going to reach a planning manager.

[2:01:50] Voice 6: thank

[2:01:53] Voice 10: you through the chair um that's i think exactly what i was hoping for is for um to ask

[2:02:01] Voice 10: uh planner chadwick for a summary of um what she's been hearing for the from the comments today and

[2:02:07] Voice 10: how that would move forward into the next steps um and be recognized in the next step so i think

[2:02:13] Voice 10: um i think that's happening in the discussion i

[2:02:17] Voice 15: just to get to those next steps

[2:02:22] Trustee Graham: I'm going to make the first recommendation.

[2:02:25] Trustee Graham: I just want to take two seconds to say,

[2:02:27] Trustee Graham: I know it's hard to be patient.

[2:02:29] Trustee Graham: I know that we're looking at this for days.

[2:02:33] Trustee Graham: But there's not been a local trust committee

[2:02:36] Trustee Graham: more committed to solving this than the one you've got.

[2:02:39] Trustee Graham: So I ask for your patience.

[2:02:45] Trustee Graham: Please help us do this great work,

[2:02:48] Trustee Graham: but I appreciate that it does take time.

[2:02:50] Trustee Graham: Thank you.

[2:02:51] Trustee Graham: I move that the Dem and Imanlova Trust Committee request staff send a letter to relevant First Nations to ask how they would like to be engaged in the development of a housing action plan for Dem and Imanlova.

[2:03:01] So seconder? Discussion? Call the question all in favour?

[2:03:05] Oh, I think so.

[2:03:08] After this time, we have one more question that was going to be very brief.

[2:03:13] Voice 6: So call the question all in favour since that carries.

[2:03:17] Voice 6: I just

[2:03:18] Voice 15: wanted to make a comment about the second recommendation. I wanted to remove the recommendation with the terms of reference.

[2:03:23] Voice 15: The process there will be that I will talk to the chair and I will provide some information that the chair thinks is needed.

[2:03:31] Voice 15: I'll provide that with some of the information. So if we can just remove with the terms of reference from that recommendation.

[2:03:38] Voice 15: As amended?

[2:03:39] Voice 15: Yeah.

[2:03:40] Voice 15: Go ahead.

[2:03:42] Trustee Graham: It's not a motion.

[2:03:43] Trustee Graham: It's a consideration.

[2:03:44] Trustee Graham: Okay.

[2:03:44] Trustee Graham: And this, in fact, is the referral?

[2:03:47] Voice 15: Of this report.

[2:03:48] Voice 15: And then I will talk to the chair about whatever else materials might be needed.

[2:03:53] Trustee Graham: Great.

[2:03:53] Trustee Graham: So it'll be a custom-made referral.

[2:03:56] Trustee Graham: Yes.

[2:03:56] Trustee Graham: Based on the statement and the needs of the HAPC.

[2:04:00] Trustee Graham: Yeah.

[2:04:01] Trustee Graham: Can you guys live with that?

[2:04:03] Trustee Graham: There's two of you here.

[2:04:05] Trustee Graham: I know.

[2:04:06] Trustee Graham: Okay.

[2:04:07] Trustee Graham: Because if I was going to make a referral, it would be, yes, look at the recommendations

[2:04:11] Trustee Graham: from the housing and look at our OCP policies and our land use file regulations with regard.

[2:04:21] Trustee Graham: So it wasn't going to leave anything out.

[2:04:23] Trustee Graham: It's going to add those two important documents to my housing policies and regulations that

[2:04:29] Trustee Graham: are in there.

[2:04:29] Trustee Graham: So I think you're going to be going to be huge.

[2:04:31] Trustee Graham: You guys got a big job.

[2:04:33] Trustee Graham: Thank goodness you're up for it.

[2:04:35] Trustee Graham: I move.

[2:04:36] Trustee Graham: Oops.

[2:04:37] Trustee Graham: Can

[2:04:38] Voice 3: you include the two reports from the Denman Island Housing Action Group?

[2:04:42] Trustee Graham: I know you were also looking for the background information that the housing review, the survey results that the consultants used to craft their recommendations.

[2:04:54] Trustee Graham: I'm assuming that is, we have that information?

[2:04:58] Voice 3: We'll know.

[2:04:59] Voice 3: I don't know.

[2:04:59] Voice 3: We're looking for comments on the survey results, but what are the comments?

[2:05:03] Voice 3: From Denman Island.

[2:05:04] Trustee Graham: From Denman Island.

[2:05:04] Trustee Graham: were asked to make comments so that is part of the material we should be able to get our hands

[2:05:09] Trustee Graham: on that we paid for it so

[2:05:12] Voice 13: yes that was before

[2:05:13] Trustee Graham: we were able okay all right how do we capture that

[2:05:17] Trustee Graham: i don't think we need to because it's

[2:05:20] Voice 4: going to be part of the

[2:05:21] Trustee Graham: discussion that the hapc is going to

[2:05:23] Trustee Graham: have with uh to flesh out the referrals so that it really is all encompassing all

[2:05:32] Voice 6: right was that

[2:05:34] Voice 6: one question do you have a question i

[2:05:36] Voice 3: do have a question i'm sorry uh that i didn't say it

[2:05:39] Voice 3: earlier i noticed the short-term rentals got put back onto the mandate but i thought that

[2:05:44] Voice 3: that had been taken off by trustees at some point that this is a housing review and that there was

[2:05:50] Voice 3: a recognition that short-term rentals is completely separate conversation but i noticed in the staff

[2:05:55] Voice 3: report it was back on uh back within it was put back in so i just am asking for some clarity from

[2:06:02] Voice 3: the trustees if short-term vacation rentals is within the mandate of this housing review or have

[2:06:09] Voice 3: that in deep in remit

[2:06:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): it's certainly not on my list for you i thought it was i i was i was

[2:06:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): conceiving of it as being a separate question personally but

[2:06:17] Voice 3: i noticed it's back you know i

[2:06:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah so it's it's it's in one of the headings and then the yeah yeah no i'm curious about that as

[2:06:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): well uh yeah

[2:06:28] Voice 15: i mean my understanding we're not really focusing on it it was the initial business

[2:06:33] Voice 15: is this case included in one of the bylaw options? There is an

[2:06:44] Voice 15: option related to guest accommodation. And that's

[2:06:46] Voice 15: really about making sure that the intention of the existing is

[2:06:50] Voice 15: is actually covered, as in what exists. It really hasn't. But

[2:06:59] Voice 15: there was a question around technical amendment.

[2:07:01] Voice 15: Yes,

[2:07:02] Voice 8: but that's that's

[2:07:03] Voice 15: that can

[2:07:04] Voice 15: be that can be review those technical amendments.

[2:07:11] Trustee Graham: It was a

[2:07:13] Trustee Graham: mistake, I think, in the original project charter to have included that.

[2:07:18] Trustee Graham: It's unfortunate the previous LTC didn't chuck that out.

[2:07:22] Trustee Graham: I moved the Demanada Local Trust Committee requests that forward the June 6, 2023

[2:07:28] Trustee Graham: 23 house report and other materials to the Denman Island Housing Advisory Committee comments

[2:07:37] Trustee Graham: by October 1st.

[2:07:40] Trustee Graham: Secretary, any discussion?

[2:07:44] Trustee Graham: The only discussion is I want to pick up on Sam's interest in having the HAPC.

[2:07:51] Trustee Graham: I'd be very happy to have the HAPC be prepared to make reports at our meetings, our LTC meetings

[2:07:59] Trustee Graham: up to and including October 1st. So at least you've got a, there's your goal line, but you can always get there faster.

[2:08:09] Voice 8: I

[2:08:09] Voice 3: believe there's only one meeting in July, July 25th, and then the next LTC meeting is October 3rd.

[2:08:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): There you go, there you go. So do we need to, just in terms of what we're capturing in our minutes here,

[2:08:22] should we make a specific request that there's a check-in on the ATV?

[2:08:26] Well, this

[2:08:26] Trustee Graham: just gives a finished line.

[2:08:29] Trustee Graham: Sure.

[2:08:30] Trustee Graham: This is why I'm always be fast.

[2:08:32] Trustee Graham: Sure.

[2:08:32] Trustee Graham: Yeah.

[2:08:33] Trustee Graham: Okay.

[2:08:33] Trustee Graham: I mean, if that's the only one meeting, thank you for that.

[2:08:37] Trustee Graham: Okay.

[2:08:37] Trustee Graham: So, you know, if you guys are prepared to make a presentation at the LTC, we would be

[2:08:42] Trustee Graham: happy to receive it.

[2:08:43] It might not be.

[2:08:45] I was differentiating in my mind between the final report, which, well, the first of the

[2:08:52] final reports, which we hope to receive in October, but have an initial, hey, we're

[2:08:58] we've read through the things i like that we're we're on the we're on the uh i'd

[2:09:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): love to see that

[2:09:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as a so but

[2:09:06] Trustee Graham: i'm going to leave yeah just get second this is a report

[2:09:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): this is the final report

[2:09:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i think that can be a separate do you have a question well i just confirmed myself oh man

[2:09:16] the staff report says the june

[2:09:18] Voice 3: 834 but it is the june 6th

[2:09:20] Voice 4: for

[2:09:33] Voice 15: recommendation number three yep i'm

[2:09:36] Voice 15: I'm wondering if you'd like to also add in addition to the Dem and Isle, but also the Dem and Isle Land Trust.

[2:09:46] Voice 15: What was the other one?

[2:09:48] Voice 15: And there was another one.

[2:09:50] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:09:52] Voice 3: Maybe what we want to do is bring together these people.

[2:09:59] Voice 3: Don't we want to get together so many people coming in and meeting everybody else here?

[2:10:04] Voice 3: It's just the two of us, it's a whole group of people, and that's what I think we need, an opportunity to get together with the team of the group.

[2:10:15] Voice 3: Absolutely.

[2:10:19] Voice 3: Assign us something, we will do it together, but I personally don't want to be agreeing to anything today.

[2:10:31] Trustee Graham: So

[2:10:31] Voice 3: this

[2:10:35] Trustee Graham: next motion doesn't involve the advisory planning committee.

[2:10:42] Voice 4: This

[2:10:43] Trustee Graham: next motion is for staff to make a request to the Denman Housing Action Group that they presented to the local trustee and their ability to get some of the untold stories, some of the data that's not going to be picked up by consults, certainly not by the census.

[2:11:08] Trustee Graham: So this is not the same group.

[2:11:10] Voice 3: I'm sorry.

[2:11:11] Voice 3: I understand that.

[2:11:12] Trustee Graham: okay this

[2:11:14] Voice 3: means that i want to also carry information which

[2:11:21] Voice 4: is why we're going to add

[2:11:22] Trustee Graham: those two other groups to this motion so then staff is then contacting each of those groups

[2:11:27] Trustee Graham: individually to see if they want to make presentations or

[2:11:31] Voice 15: just to provide information

[2:11:34] Trustee Graham: so it doesn't seem it seems to work for me okay

[2:11:39] Voice 3: and

[2:11:40] Trustee Graham: you guys all want to get to

[2:11:41] Trustee Graham: that that's fine but it wouldn't it wouldn't be something that we would ask you to do

[2:11:56] Voice 3: you

[2:11:57] Trustee Graham: each have been looking at the problem in your own unique way so

[2:12:01] Voice 3: so but

[2:12:03] Voice 3: we want to share that with you

[2:12:06] Trustee Graham: you can we want to make sure that you share it with

[2:12:10] Trustee Graham: the denman trust committee request staff to ask the denman housing action group and the denman

[2:12:34] Trustee Graham: and island land trust association and the denman housing association if they would like to help

[2:12:44] Trustee Graham: gather community-based information relevant to understanding housing needs

[2:12:59] uh i'm just wondering uh yeah i'll second that number

[2:13:02] uh so

[2:13:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): do we then need uh do we need to put anything in there that is a directive for what

[2:13:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to do that uh

[2:13:14] Voice 15: no i mean i think

[2:13:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i thought of it no that's what i i this is a question

[2:13:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i was

[2:13:39] Voice 6: waiting

[2:13:45] Voice 10: for your vote that's fine i can wait

[2:13:50] Voice 6: okay so all in favor carry you're on thank

[2:13:55] Voice 10: you through the chair i didn't mean to interrupt um

[2:13:57] Voice 10: I just didn't hear the clarification for the benefit of the recording today

[2:14:01] Voice 10: that was asked just before the vote.

[2:14:04] Voice 10: Can you repeat that?

[2:14:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): My clarification?

[2:14:08] Voice 10: Yes, and what Planner Chadwick clarified.

[2:14:11] Voice 10: We didn't hear that.

[2:14:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It was really a protocol question.

[2:14:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It was, do we need to request,

[2:14:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): do we need to specify what's done with that information?

[2:14:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And Planner Chadwick told me, no, they will collect it,

[2:14:23] and it will come back to us.

[2:14:25] That's all within the thing.

[2:14:27] I it's

[2:14:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): just a process thing not a not a not a real check that's

[2:14:33] Voice 10: good thank you it helps um to help

[2:14:36] Voice 10: clarify information no

[2:14:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): absolutely I was not speaking clearly thank you I

[2:14:42] Voice 15: wanted to speak

[2:14:43] Voice 15: to the next recommendation absolutely um so this this recommendation is really about um

[2:14:49] Voice 15: um I mean this is where you could you could explicitly identify what you want to do you

[2:14:54] Voice 15: you've already had some conversation about when you want to engage.

[2:14:59] Voice 15: So you may want to see more explicit, if you have an idea.

[2:15:05] Voice 15: My requirement, like I want to, I need to come back to this case,

[2:15:09] Voice 15: so we need to sort of identify like when and how you'd like to engage

[2:15:14] Voice 15: and Bernie had a bit of conversation about that.

[2:15:16] Voice 15: So if you feel like you want to make a more explicit decision

[2:15:22] Voice 15: around the organization of a public engagement event, you could do that or

[2:15:31] Voice 15: or if you want, I mean for me my main questions to you are really do you feel

[2:15:37] Voice 15: like you want some engagement before October 1st? There will be engagement after

[2:15:42] Voice 15: October 1st as part of the general process. That's really the key.

[2:15:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I mean I

[2:15:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I would love to, I think, I think it's, I think we should have a meeting, Jen, this is, this is

[2:15:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): really bare bones. Like it's exactly what we're talking about before. I think it can be really

[2:16:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): straightforward. We all get in a room. We invite people to be there. That's, that's it. Like we

[2:16:05] have a conversation. We can, we can do that. I don't think it needs to be super complicated.

[2:16:10] And my hope is that this would be the first of many such meetings, which over time we can refine

[2:16:16] find what those meetings are supposed to achieve or what we're trying to gain from those but a

[2:16:21] really important part in this this is still this is connected to the work of this LTC in terms of

[2:16:28] you know shoring up our relationship with our community in a big way is having these

[2:16:34] conversations being being accessible and being available to talk about them you know as we've

[2:16:40] talked about it these are not going to be places where we're committing to making decisions it's

[2:16:44] not going to be a place where we're going to be discussing specifics of decisions but where we're

[2:16:48] there to listen and to to you know answer questions in terms of like this is our understanding of how

[2:16:54] x y and z this is why this this is a good suggestion that whatever that's all the same

[2:17:00] point um

[2:17:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i think it's very important that we have a meeting and i i would really support having it

[2:17:05] soon i suggested june 25th that's probably a little spicy uh in terms of getting information

[2:17:13] like getting enough people to know that it's coming.

[2:17:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): But I would love to see something in July, perhaps.

[2:17:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I know it's real hot, but we do have a heat pump,

[2:17:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so it's not too bad.

[2:17:27] Yeah, I would love to see that.

[2:17:29] And I don't know to what extent in terms of our protocol

[2:17:32] and our process as the trust,

[2:17:35] what we need to do in terms of,

[2:17:37] so establishing a business case,

[2:17:38] like it's 150 bucks for the front hall.

[2:17:42] I'm the head technician,

[2:17:44] so I will set up a microphone if we need it,

[2:17:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but that's you know that's really all we need i think so

[2:17:51] Voice 6: does this community constant

[2:17:57] Voice 15: meaning would it constitute well if there's more than one trustee there

[2:18:06] Voice 15: we're not speaking to the decision or a specific application my understanding is

[2:18:12] that's that's fine

[2:18:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um we're there to receive information not to

[2:18:15] Voice 6: provide it and not to to

[2:18:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): rule so

[2:18:18] Voice 6: we have the boss racial planning manager thank you

[2:18:23] Voice 10: through the chair um this is a great

[2:18:25] Voice 10: opportunity to hear what you desire for public engagement and the type of ways to reach out to

[2:18:32] Voice 10: our community members here on denman island and i think narissa can propose some things

[2:18:36] Voice 10: um some activities and some meetings and ways we can do that um because there's different ways what

[2:18:44] Voice 10: you're describing can be done for this project so i think um planner chadwick will need to hear that

[2:18:49] Voice 10: take that back and propose propose some dates propose some ways of doing that um as opposed

[2:18:55] Voice 10: to getting into it right now so that that's what i would suggest just to make sure that

[2:18:59] Voice 10: we capture this um and continue moving forward so

[2:19:04] Voice 6: but i think part of the question is is that

[2:19:08] Voice 6: with some of these consultation processes are they going to be legally constituted as meetings

[2:19:18] Voice 10: yeah through the chair um they could that's why we have to be mindful of how to how to

[2:19:24] Voice 10: present and formalize these engagement meetings so um that's why it's important for i think for

[2:19:31] Voice 10: chatter uh planner chadwick to to think about this i'll i'll be involved in in a group a team

[2:19:37] Voice 10: of planners will be involved in that so it's i needed

[2:19:40] Voice 6: an environmental break okay right now all

[2:19:43] Voice 6: right so we're taking a five-minute break and we'll come back

[2:19:46] Voice 9: okay just a time check for the

[2:20:03] Voice 9: chair it is quarter to one well

[2:23:15] Trustee Graham: i noticed there's a member of the public here who's on the agenda

[2:23:17] Trustee Graham: and we're occasionally waiting for that.

[2:23:20] Trustee Graham: So I'd rather make sure we deal with that.

[2:23:22] Trustee Graham: So if we're talking about

[2:23:26] This is an

[2:23:32] Voice 3: example of something that

[2:23:34] Voice 3: could be forwarded to the top student.

[2:23:38] Voice 3: We could certainly come up with a community post-app

[2:23:42] Voice 3: which is one large meeting.

[2:23:46] Voice 3: It's

[2:23:47] Voice 4: not gonna do it.

[2:23:47] Voice 4: Totally, yeah.

[2:23:48] Voice 4: We just want to finish here.

[2:23:54] Voice 3: That's one of the first things that we do is.

[2:23:57] Voice 4: I love that.

[2:23:59] Voice 4: That's great.

[2:24:01] Our

[2:24:07] Voice 15: condition which is request staff

[2:24:09] Voice 15: identified public engagement options but in um conversation in consultation with the and then

[2:24:18] Voice 15: that would be in july we come back yeah

[2:24:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah yeah the hapc to tell us what or give us suggestions

[2:24:31] so what is the motion for would this be in consultation i would use

[2:24:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the housing apc as our

[2:24:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): product to help us to make that motion so i know that the devon island local trust committee

[2:24:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): request staff identify to identify to identify public engagement options in consultation

[2:25:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): with the housing advisory planning commission

[2:25:13] Voice 4: it's a scene but

[2:25:14] Voice 15: you know when i saw this i

[2:25:37] Trustee Graham: wasn't thinking about

[2:25:39] Trustee Graham: the way my mind worked i thought it would be more useful for our community to gather

[2:25:53] Trustee Graham: once made some, you know, pretty strong recommendations, and then that's an opportunity for them.

[2:26:04] Trustee Graham: Oh, because that would be their first opportunity.

[2:26:06] Trustee Graham: So I was going to think, you know, yeah, that makes

[2:26:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): sense to me.

[2:26:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Does that make sense, Mike?

[2:26:25] Voice 6: Does that make sense to everybody?

[2:26:44] Voice 6: I'll just say, I've gotten plan staff and chargers in my term previously.

[2:26:52] They were always suspicious of me because it

[2:26:55] Trustee Graham: seemed like, whoa, it's starting to get bureaucratic.

[2:26:58] Trustee Graham: But then I came to realize that it's just a planning tool.

[2:27:02] Trustee Graham: It's a way for really the administration of the project to have some timelines.

[2:27:09] Trustee Graham: So I became more comfortable with it.

[2:27:11] Trustee Graham: But my initial reaction was, I just wanted to share it.

[2:27:19] Trustee Graham: It's not an organic Demin kind of thing.

[2:27:22] Trustee Graham: I'm taking that question.

[2:27:30] I move that the NIMA level trust committee request that staff develop a project charter for the next phase of the housing department.

[2:27:42] Any discussion?

[2:27:43] All in favor?

[2:27:45] I

[2:27:50] Voice 3: don't understand why you need a new project charter when it's already been published on the website.

[2:27:55] Voice 3: site um

[2:28:03] Voice 15: help with this next phase so you know like as chrissy graham was saying it makes it

[2:28:10] Voice 15: basically makes the ltc and the staff accountable to timelines

[2:28:15] Voice 3: but who decides what's in scope and

[2:28:18] Voice 3: what's out of scope because there's so much out of scope already so the staff can decide what is

[2:28:25] Voice 3: in scope uh

[2:28:27] Voice 15: the ltc ultimately is the one that approves the project charter

[2:28:32] Trustee Graham: so we approve the

[2:28:34] Trustee Graham: project charter once we look at it and that's our opportunity at that time to say well we need this

[2:28:39] Trustee Graham: in scope but i don't want that in store we've ranked it so hopefully at the end of the day

[2:28:45] Trustee Graham: but it's

[2:28:49] Voice 6: a good thing so we we did vote on that we didn't go to that

[2:28:57] then we please vote on that all in favor okay then we have the last function

[2:29:05] the demin islands local trust committee requests staff business case focusing on the need for a

[2:29:15] water availability assessment as part of that.

[2:29:22] Voice 6: Second.

[2:29:22] Voice 6: Second that.

[2:29:23] Voice 6: And I do know the Racial Planning Manager

[2:29:25] Voice 6: does have her hand up, so I think we're in trouble.

[2:29:28] Voice 10: No, through the chair,

[2:29:30] Voice 10: I don't mean to interrupt this resolution and voting.

[2:29:34] Voice 10: I just wanted to ask the minute taker

[2:29:36] Voice 10: to repeat the first three.

[2:29:38] Voice 10: So we're clear on what those resolutions were.

[2:29:42] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:29:43] Voice 6: Okay, so let's get this vote over

[2:29:45] Voice 6: and then we'll read out the motions.

[2:29:46] okay so just

[2:29:50] Voice 6: for those that understand these business cases this is what the

[2:29:57] financial planning committee requests

[2:30:00] from local trust committees if they want to have money put in the budget for 24-25.

[2:30:04] Trustee Graham: Without the business cases, we don't get any money.

[2:30:07] Trustee Graham: And it seems like a long time ago, but the timeline to develop a budget

[2:30:11] Trustee Graham: for each year starts now for the next year.

[2:30:15] Trustee Graham: So this is just, again, a little bureaucratic, but it's just one of the pieces that's important

[2:30:20] if you want to get, draw some tax dollars to do any work.

[2:30:23] Okay, ready to go.

[2:30:24] Okay. Okay.

[2:30:26] Okay.

[2:30:27] Voice 6: And so it requests for you to read back

[2:30:29] Voice 3: the motions.

[2:30:30] Voice 3: One, two, and three?

[2:30:31] Voice 6: Is it one, two, and three?

[2:30:33] Voice 6: Yeah, please.

[2:30:35] Voice 6: We have nodding heads.

[2:30:36] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:30:38] Voice 3: Moved and seconded that the Devanau Development Trust Committee request staff to send a letter

[2:30:42] Voice 3: to relevant First Nations to ask how they would like to be engaged in the development

[2:30:47] Voice 3: of a housing action plan for Devanau.

[2:30:49] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:30:50] Voice 4: Number two.

[2:30:53] Voice 3: Moved and seconded that the Devanau Development Trust Committee request staff forward the

[2:30:57] Voice 3: june 6 2023 report and other relevant materials to the devon island housing advisory committee for

[2:31:04] Voice 3: review and comments by october 1st 2020 number three that the devon island local trust committee

[2:31:11] Voice 3: requests that staff ask the devon housing action group and the devon community land trust

[2:31:17] Voice 3: association and the devon housing association to help gather community-based information relevant

[2:31:24] Voice 3: that to understanding housing.

[2:31:26] Voice 6: Thank you. That has been read out. So is that, I'm sure the community

[2:31:42] very much appreciates all the energy. So we move on to correspondence. We have a letter dated May

[2:31:52] the 6th regarding reclassification. Who's speaking to that? I'd like to speak to that. Okay, Trustee Graham.

[2:32:01] I appreciate the response from

[2:32:04] Trustee Graham: Regional Planning Manager. Renee, thank you. Thanks for starting to

[2:32:13] Trustee Graham: slow down and i totally understand that the bulk 99 of this is not something to do with the local

[2:32:21] Trustee Graham: trust committee that subdivision authority rests with the ministry of transportation and structure

[2:32:26] Trustee Graham: i mean a lot line adjustments regardless of how tiny they are are still considered a subdivision

[2:32:32] though i strongly

[2:32:33] Trustee Graham: object to the bureaucracy of a very simple lot line adjustment without changes

[2:32:39] Trustee Graham: changes. But there is one aspect of this particular application

[2:32:46] Trustee Graham: subject line, which is or could be considered by the trust

[2:32:51] Trustee Graham: committee. And that refers to official community plan policy

[2:32:55] Trustee Graham: 29, which is zoning for non conforming dwellings. And the

[2:33:01] Trustee Graham: second bullet in that policy 29. And I'll just read it. We just

[2:33:07] to bring

[2:33:12] Trustee Graham: in the conformity dwelling units that were constructed to replace existing dwelling

[2:33:15] Trustee Graham: units that did not comply with the policies at the time of the adoption the deminal local trust

[2:33:22] Trustee Graham: committee can once an application applicant has provided written evidence to the satisfaction

[2:33:29] of the deminal local trust

[2:33:31] Trustee Graham: committee i repeat not to the satisfaction of the planning staff

[2:33:35] Trustee Graham: that satisfaction of the Demand Island Trust Committee written evidence that the replaced dwelling units were constructed prior,

[2:33:44] Trustee Graham: I'm sorry, it's the first bullet, sorry, the same idea.

[2:33:51] Trustee Graham: In other words, if the local trust committee receives written confirmation from the applicant

[2:33:56] Trustee Graham: and the Demand Island Trust Committee agrees the information presented is accurate and valid,

[2:34:03] valid

[2:34:05] Trustee Graham: the arguments are then considered legally non-conforming.

[2:34:10] That

[2:34:11] Trustee Graham: is a political decision to rest in committee plan number 29 and

[2:34:17] Trustee Graham: is the only part of this particular applicant's request that could be and

[2:34:24] Trustee Graham: should be a political decision.

[2:34:26] Trustee Graham: Now, the applicant has provided a written document by an elder on this island who is respected,

[2:34:33] Trustee Graham: who has assured the applicant the dwellings were constructed

[2:34:41] Trustee Graham: prior to 1974.

[2:34:43] Trustee Graham: This committee can, if it chooses to, accept that information as verbatim

[2:34:49] Trustee Graham: and accepts that as valid information.

[2:34:52] Trustee Graham: So that is what I'm offering the planner, and I don't know if the chair

[2:34:59] Trustee Graham: would be willing to entertain a motion to that effect.

[2:35:01] Trustee Graham: that does this is part of our mission community plan despite insurances from staff on a number

[2:35:10] Trustee Graham: of occasions to me in particular that the local trust committee has no input in this particular

[2:35:15] Trustee Graham: application and in fact we do okay

[2:35:22] Voice 6: sir you're

[2:35:24] Voice 13: up yes i this is the second time i've been on the

[2:35:28] Voice 13: agenda and the um the first time there was a request that the planner do alternatives for what

[2:35:40] Voice 13: But for what I needed to prove David's point, he sent

[2:35:50] Voice 4: back a well-willing, he said, if

[2:35:54] Voice 13: you could get a date, you don't have to submit it.

[2:36:00] Voice 13: He said, if you could get a date for a septic field.

[2:36:02] Voice 13: Well, I have, the dates for the septic fields are in the late 80s, right?

[2:36:07] Voice 13: There's people there since 1970.

[2:36:10] Voice 13: Construction receipts from the houses.

[2:36:12] Voice 13: I mean, that's not even, that's

[2:36:17] Voice 4: ridiculous.

[2:36:18] Voice 4: I

[2:36:24] Voice 9: can't hear anything.

[2:36:26] Voice 9: the chair i can't hear anything for audio through the chair you can hear the audio has cut out

[2:37:21] Voice 10: and the video is frozen looks

[2:37:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: like they lost everything this time i

[2:37:26] Voice 10: think so i flagged this

[2:37:28] Voice 10: with the web host so she can contact it i'll send a message in the group chat for the members of the

[2:37:33] Voice 10: public

[2:37:34] Voice 9: okay

[2:38:46] thank you

[2:38:47] Voice 6: i

[2:38:54] Voice 10: can hear you now and i think i can

[2:38:56] Voice 10: and see movement so we're not frozen

[2:38:59] Voice 6: unfortunately for some reason the internet went down on that one

[2:39:03] Voice 6: so we're back so so i have yeah um

[2:39:08] Voice 10: okay if i if i may through the chair um it is after lunch and

[2:39:15] Voice 10: i'm mindful of providing a lunch break for staff there and a bit of a

[2:39:18] Voice 10: bio break so i'm i would like

[2:39:21] Voice 10: to propose if we could break for half an hour for lunch and reconvene back at the um 11.1

[2:39:28] Voice 10: correspondence

[2:39:29] Voice 6: unfortunately you've got you've been outvoted um it says they want to power through

[2:39:36] Voice 6: and and and uh meetings uh sorry to renee so so sam's just sending you an email um vicky do you

[2:39:44] Voice 6: want me to please yeah so

[2:39:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um oh i don't apparently my email address does not know your email address

[2:39:51] Voice 4: oh yeah there are five nice

[2:39:56] Voice 13: emails very nice

[2:40:01] Voice 15: i was so surprised it was available

[2:40:03] Voice 13: okay so um

[2:40:08] Voice 6: uh do i need to send it to tristan's anymore so you don't have it so okay so i so renee so what

[2:40:14] Voice 6: we're trying to sort of deal with the situation um i don't know um sam has just sent you an email

[2:40:25] Voice 6: with some details what is this

[2:40:28] Voice 10: regarding what item on the agenda because we cut out for a couple

[2:40:31] Voice 10: minutes we

[2:40:32] Voice 6: cut out for a couple of minutes um this is page um 92 of the agenda okay

[2:40:45] Trustee Graham: So, Renee, I was just saying, I was thanking you for bringing to the attention of myself and the Local Trust Committee that this lot line adjustment or subdivision is not a Local Trust Committee decision.

[2:41:00] Trustee Graham: And I agree that the bulk of the application is not, but there is one aspect to the applicant's

[2:41:08] Trustee Graham: application that is a political decision, and that is the question as to whether the

[2:41:16] Trustee Graham: dwellings were built prior to the incorporation of the Islands Trust in 1974.

[2:41:22] Trustee Graham: And our official community plan, Nimmin Island

[2:41:26] Trustee Graham: official community plan, policy 29 states,

[2:41:30] Trustee Graham: The first bullet states to bring into conformity dwelling units that were in existence but did not comply with the policies in this plan at the time of its adoption, 2009, provided that the applicant, that would be Steve Cavalieri, provide written evidence, that would be the letter submitted, written by Kathy Breeder, to the satisfaction of the Dem and not a local trust committee, that would be us, that the dwellings were constructed prior to the date of adoption of this plan.

[2:41:58] plan in

[2:41:59] Trustee Graham: accordance with the land use by-law

[2:42:00] Trustee Graham: and effective at the time of construction.

[2:42:03] Trustee Graham: So that little part of the plot line adjustment

[2:42:07] Trustee Graham: is in question.

[2:42:10] Trustee Graham: Now the staff have determined that they haven't received

[2:42:13] Trustee Graham: the sufficient evidence to show that those dwellings

[2:42:16] Trustee Graham: were built prior to 1974.

[2:42:18] Trustee Graham: But the letter written by Cathy Reeder

[2:42:21] Trustee Graham: is submitted to the local trust committee.

[2:42:23] Trustee Graham: And if the local trust committee agrees

[2:42:25] Trustee Graham: that the writer of that letter

[2:42:26] Trustee Graham: and the evidence presented in that letter

[2:42:28] Trustee Graham: is sufficient to prove that the dwellings

[2:42:30] Trustee Graham: were built prior to 1974,

[2:42:31] Trustee Graham: we can move that that be considered.

[2:42:35] Trustee Graham: And at that point, those dwellings did exist

[2:42:38] Trustee Graham: prior to 1974 and do not need to be removed,

[2:42:41] Trustee Graham: do not need a temporary use permit,

[2:42:43] Trustee Graham: do not need anything else, any other consideration.

[2:42:46] Trustee Graham: So as much as I appreciate you educating me

[2:42:50] Trustee Graham: to the lack of the demo localities

[2:42:53] Trustee Graham: need to be involved in this,

[2:42:55] Trustee Graham: that particular portion does and could be and can be a political decision so we have now looked at

[2:43:02] Trustee Graham: the letter from kathy reader and if the chair will allow i will make a motion to the fact that

[2:43:09] Trustee Graham: we have considered that letter agree that uh kathy reader who's a respected member of our community

[2:43:15] Trustee Graham: that has the gravitas and history to make such a claim and the mental acuity uh and we can vote on

[2:43:22] Trustee Graham: on its authenticity and its relevance

[2:43:24] Trustee Graham: to this application.

[2:43:26] Trustee Graham: We'll just hear

[2:43:26] Voice 6: back from the regional planning manager

[2:43:28] Voice 6: before considering this.

[2:43:30] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:43:31] Voice 10: Through the chair, this is a correspondence piece.

[2:43:34] Voice 10: So what we would need is direction through a motion

[2:43:39] Voice 10: from the LTC to bring this back to the LTC for a decision.

[2:43:45] Voice 10: That will provide opportunity for staff

[2:43:47] Voice 10: to provide you the information,

[2:43:49] Voice 10: run that through with some explanation,

[2:43:52] Voice 10: because it's related to an application.

[2:43:54] Voice 10: I'm not able to speak on the details or nuances

[2:43:57] Voice 10: of this particular request.

[2:43:59] Voice 10: And then that way there's information on record,

[2:44:03] Voice 10: proper time for deliberation and decision

[2:44:06] Voice 10: and confirmation on the policy and the related regulations

[2:44:10] Voice 10: as it relates to the subdivision application

[2:44:13] Voice 10: and the request being made through the land use bylaw

[2:44:16] Voice 10: and the authority for the local trust committee.

[2:44:18] Voice 10: So there's a couple of different aspects here related to this.

[2:44:22] Voice 10: This is correspondence brought through, so this wouldn't be the time to deliberate or discuss.

[2:44:28] Voice 10: But by all means, I would appreciate some direction from the LTC to bring this back for a decision.

[2:44:36] Voice 10: That would be the proper process.

[2:44:38] Voice 6: The proponent had his hand up.

[2:44:40] Voice 6: So what it looks like, we're talking about a delay until July to make that decision.

[2:44:46] But is this because

[2:44:47] Voice 6: we have to go through a process?

[2:44:49] Voice 13: But the process is just repeating everything that I've already submitted.

[2:44:54] Voice 13: Am I right here? Yes.

[2:44:56] Voice 13: So everything that I've already submitted,

[2:44:58] Voice 13: you're going to take another look at and then come back.

[2:45:01] Voice 13: Even though... The difference is,

[2:45:05] the lens that we'd be using now is the local trust committee would be

[2:45:09] considering the legal not conforming.

[2:45:14] Voice 13: that's what i don't understand so why can't they do that now via a motion why do you need a motion

[2:45:20] Voice 13: to put it to the next meeting well

[2:45:25] Voice 6: i'll ask regional manager planning manager to weigh in

[2:45:29] Voice 6: why it would be inappropriate to do a motion right through the

[2:45:32] Voice 10: chair the planner on this

[2:45:34] Voice 10: application is not present to speak to this application or the pieces of information

[2:45:39] Voice 10: related to the request the request comes through and then staff would provide a report with the

[2:45:46] Voice 10: request for the legal non-conforming piece along with any additional considerations and factors that

[2:45:52] Voice 10: the ltc may not have information for at this time and that i don't have information to advise you

[2:45:57] Voice 10: on to make a decision okay

[2:46:00] Voice 6: thank you so the reality is is that perhaps something i dealt

[2:46:05] with today it

[2:46:06] Voice 6: won't get dealt with with two months but nothing's going to happen to you

[2:46:09] Voice 6: in in the next two months because it's before us so it's just it's it's i i know i can see

[2:46:17] the eyes rolling but there's certain processes that we kind of have to follow the protocol

[2:46:23] and and it sounds like you have sympathy at the table

[2:46:27] Voice 6: but staff just want to have one more

[2:46:31] Voice 6: i'm

[2:46:32] Voice 13: trying to save staff time and money here i mean this is what i've been trying to do this

[2:46:37] Voice 13: whole time and i just it seems totally redundant to have staff do it again i already have a 25 page

[2:46:46] Voice 13: staff report on my on my application okay it's fine whatever needs to be done needs to be done

[2:46:53] Voice 13: okay um so policy that is sitting in open in front of trustee graham right that states that

[2:47:10] that this is a political decision.

[2:47:13] This is, there's a political agency here

[2:47:17] based on if we have received written proof

[2:47:21] that we choose to verify.

[2:47:25] Kathy read it reasonably well,

[2:47:27] given the short time that I've been here

[2:47:28] and I would trust her for anything.

[2:47:32] She's extremely credible.

[2:47:35] She knows the property really well.

[2:47:39] Personally, I'm satisfied by that.

[2:47:44] know

[2:47:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that i fully understand what is going to what what new information is going to come out

[2:47:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of that that trumps the policy that we have in place on books i'd be interested to hear what

[2:47:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): trustee graham thinks but um yeah i'm failing to see what what new information is going to get

[2:48:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): added to this that's going to modify that okay through

[2:48:08] Voice 6: the

[2:48:11] Voice 10: chair what you will also receive

[2:48:12] Voice 10: through a staff report is understanding of the application process the the other authorities

[2:48:19] Voice 10: that come into play, how the zoning bylaw also needs to be considered in addition to this policy.

[2:48:25] Voice 10: So that's the opportunity here for this and for your understanding before you make a decision

[2:48:34] Voice 10: to deliberate. What I can advise you on today is if you do make a motion today, what the

[2:48:41] Voice 10: consequences would be or the ripple effects of the application and rendering a decision

[2:48:45] Voice 10: and referral response to MOTI.

[2:48:50] Voice 10: I wouldn't be able to advise you of that.

[2:48:56] Voice 6: Sir?

[2:48:58] Voice 13: Yes.

[2:48:59] Voice 13: Go ahead.

[2:49:00] Voice 13: The MOTI response to my subdivision application

[2:49:09] Voice 13: is simply to put a line on a piece of paper

[2:49:13] Voice 13: that says a dedicated road and Islands Trust response.

[2:49:19] So

[2:49:19] Voice 13: there are no ramifications of my property being deemed legal non-conforming to that subdivision for MOTI.

[2:49:30] Voice 13: This is strictly, and actually I was going to say before David brought this forward, that I understand that boxes have to be checked with subdivisions.

[2:49:40] Voice 13: but when it comes to these kinds of things where a letter is disallowed or a aerial photo is not

[2:49:49] Voice 13: interpreted correctly those are opinions those are no longer box checking so that seems to me

[2:49:58] Voice 13: to be open to interpretation by the local trust committee which is exactly what they are just doing

[2:50:04] Voice 13: it i don't there is no other ramification here it's either i hate to use this term you're either

[2:50:11] Voice 13: on the bus or you're off the bus i'm either legally non-conforming or there is no more

[2:50:17] Voice 13: information available for that that's that's what it is okay

[2:50:21] Voice 6: thank you thank you so what i'm going

[2:50:24] Voice 6: to ask the regional planning manager is that can the local trust committee make a motion

[2:50:30] Voice 6: basically just saying that they accept that the information has been provided in regards to the non-conformity,

[2:50:42] Voice 6: that they accept that that is the situation?

[2:50:48] Voice 6: Is there some sort of motion that can be made that basically receives this information and accepts that it is correct information?

[2:50:56] Voice 6: Because it does sound like it's very much a political decision.

[2:50:59] and so staff can't guide anything more than the physical information that's been provided

[2:51:05] and whether

[2:51:07] Voice 6: they either accept it or they don't is that a fair enough assessment

[2:51:12] Voice 10: through the chair I don't I don't believe it is so that's why I am requesting a resolution or a

[2:51:19] Voice 10: motion for staff to bring back a report for you because I can't advise on this piece and what

[2:51:28] Voice 10: and confirming your authority without considering the factors.

[2:51:32] Voice 10: I understand

[2:51:32] Voice 10: this is a correspondence,

[2:51:34] Voice 10: so discussing it in this forum doesn't give us the appropriate time as well

[2:51:40] Voice 10: to make sure that the trustees have the information on hand.

[2:51:44] Voice 10: And the planner for this application is not present

[2:51:47] Voice 10: to be able to speak this information.

[2:51:50] Voice 10: So I'm really steering the trustees to make a motion

[2:51:54] Voice 10: and actually encouraging that for to direct staff to bring this back to you.

[2:52:28] Trustee Graham: applicant, Steve Caballero, spelling of which I'm not going to try, lot line application

[2:52:39] Trustee Graham: to the MOTI, sorry, application, not to the MOTI, well, the application,

[2:52:51] Trustee Graham: I would reference

[2:52:52] Voice 10: the subdivision application, but we can clarify,

[2:52:55] Trustee Graham: subdivision application, lot

[2:52:59] Voice 13: line, no, let's

[2:53:19] Voice 13: through the

[2:53:20] Voice 10: chair i can give you the islands trust subdivision application referral file

[2:53:24] Voice 6: number

[2:53:24] Voice 10: just to make sure that's clear in the resolution okay

[2:53:27] Voice 6: go ahead we're ready

[2:53:41] Trustee Graham: I think

[2:53:42] Voice 10: you've been referred to the subdivision application.

[2:53:46] Voice 10: I can advise the minute taker of the actual application.

[2:53:50] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:53:51] Trustee Graham: And the particular aspect of the existing secondary dwelling and its age

[2:54:05] Trustee Graham: of construction with regards to the letter by Kathy Reeder,

[2:54:14] Trustee Graham: K-A-H-I-H, probably I-E

[2:54:19] Voice 13: -R, it's a Y, R-I

[2:54:23] Trustee Graham: -E-E-E-R.

[2:54:24] Trustee Graham: Thank you, I just spelled her name,

[2:54:27] Trustee Graham: with regards to the letter submitted by Steve C.

[2:54:31] Trustee Graham: See, by letter

[2:54:32] Voice 3: you want submitted to the letter by Kathy,

[2:54:45] Voice 3: you're submitted by Steve and the

[2:54:56] Trustee Graham: opportunity to vote on whether the evidence is satisfactory

[2:55:16] Voice 3: to for policy.

[2:55:24] Trustee Graham: That's the thing that the Local Trust Committee looks at, is whether the evidence is satisfactory.

[2:55:30] Voice 6: Okay, so I guess, but I can read that back.

[2:55:34] Voice 3: Okay, I can look at the application, but it means that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[2:55:40] Voice 3: requests staff to consider Denman Island Oats Official Community Plan Policy 29 regarding

[2:55:46] Voice 3: regarding applicant Steve Caballera, sorry,

[2:55:50] Voice 3: subdivision application number,

[2:55:51] Voice 3: and a particular aspect of the existing secondary drawing

[2:55:56] Voice 3: and its age of construction with regards to the letter

[2:55:59] Voice 3: Kathy Reuter submitted to Steve Caballera

[2:56:03] Voice 3: and the opportunity for the local trust committee

[2:56:06] Voice 3: to vote on whether the evidence is satisfactory.

[2:56:09] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:56:10] Voice 4: Seconder?

[2:56:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Seconder, I'd like to discuss it.

[2:56:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Some discussion.

[2:56:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I would love for this staff report to come to us before our next LTC meeting.

[2:56:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): This seems like something that we should be able to do with the resolution without meeting.

[2:56:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I don't know if that's me being unreasonable about that.

[2:56:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think if it's possible to get this done,

[2:56:33] Voice 4: that

[2:56:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): would be, I think it's important that we be expedient.

[2:56:41] Voice 10: Through the chair, we would make our best effort.

[2:56:50] Voice 6: So, any other discussion?

[2:56:53] Voice 6: So, call the question.

[2:56:55] All in favor?

[2:56:56] That carries.

[2:56:57] Did you have

[2:56:58] Voice 6: a brief summary?

[2:57:01] Voice 6: Through the

[2:57:02] Voice 10: chair, I have the subdivision file reference number.

[2:57:09] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:57:09] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:57:10] Voice 10: DE-SUB-2022.1

[2:57:18] Voice 10: Thank

[2:57:20] Voice 6: you very much.

[2:57:21] Voice 10: You got it.

[2:57:24] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:57:27] Voice 6: Thank you, Jerry.

[2:57:28] Voice 6: All right, so we're making progress.

[2:57:31] Voice 6: We have an email here from the Demino Action Group.

[2:57:41] Voice 6: This is page 94-96.

[2:57:43] Voice 6: I

[2:57:53] Trustee Graham: speak of the issues that the letter pointed out, I hope that we captured the initial cards of the conversations that the Housing and Library Planning Commission had with their deliberations.

[2:58:23] Voice 12: Forwarded to the HAPC? Is that what you're saying?

[2:58:27] Voice 12: It

[2:58:29] Trustee Graham: would be part of their deliberations. It's in the agenda. Do you want a motion for it to be forwarded to the HAPC?

[2:58:37] Trustee Graham: My

[2:58:37] Voice 3: understanding is that the HAPC can only look at what you referred to them to look at.

[2:58:43] Trustee Graham: No, I mean...

[2:58:44] Voice 3: Are we allowed to go out of scope of what your referral is?

[2:58:48] Trustee Graham: As I said, I was expecting you to go through all OCP housing policies and all LUB regulations,

[2:58:56] Trustee Graham: so there's nothing else in the world that we can deal with.

[2:58:59] Trustee Graham: We can't deal with anything outside of it.

[2:59:01] Trustee Graham: Yeah,

[2:59:04] Voice 3: my understanding is the same as when I did speak to our contact at the Endless Trust and that's what I was told. We don't do anything unless you refer something to us.

[2:59:18] Voice 3: And may or

[2:59:19] Voice 3: may not have this also.

[2:59:22] Voice 3: So

[2:59:22] Voice 6: we get a simple motion to refer.

[2:59:24] Voice 3: So you need to refer all these documents to us for us to be able to discuss.

[2:59:30] Voice 3: Right.

[2:59:31] Trustee Graham: Try to

[2:59:31] Trustee Graham: chat with us.

[2:59:32] Trustee Graham: But the referral hasn't even been crafted yet.

[2:59:37] Voice 15: The APC can consider all information that's provided to them, all meetings, and if they wish to engage with the APC, it's really up to them.

[2:59:55] Voice 15: That's why we're asking to have it provided to us.

[3:00:00] Voice 3: engaged. Yeah, yeah.

[3:00:02] Voice 15: It doesn't, it doesn't necessarily need to

[3:00:05] Voice 15: be provided. You can engage with that material.

[3:00:13] Voice 3: According to the

[3:00:14] Voice 3: terms of reference that were sent, we have to stick to the

[3:00:20] Voice 3: referral that is given to us by the local

[3:00:22] Voice 15: trust committee. Yes.

[3:00:23] Voice 15: Yeah. So what that means is that is that referrals to this is to

[3:00:31] Voice 15: is related to the information related to the housing, right?

[3:00:37] Voice 15: And so any and all materials related to that can be considered.

[3:00:44] Voice 3: So we can search for material that relates to it and we can draw it in even though it was referred to us by the...

[3:00:53] Voice 15: Anything that allows you to make decisions around what's been specifically referred to you.

[3:00:59] Voice 15: so in this case it's the stuff

[3:01:00] Voice 3: that is your sideline with some additional

[3:01:02] Voice 15: information yeah

[3:01:03] Voice 15: anything that's related to those things can be considered in the deliberations were those

[3:01:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): documents so i thought that our previous like we we referred specific documents to them is that

[3:01:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah

[3:01:20] Voice 15: you're asking for comment we're going to be asking i'll

[3:01:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): talk to the chair

[3:01:24] Voice 15: and i'm going to

[3:01:25] Voice 15: write very specifically what needs to be provided so what's being asked for our recommendations

[3:01:34] Voice 15: recommendations based on this report. So this is the starting point. It doesn't mean to say you don't need to only include things that have been provided. You can be drawing on whatever information is available to make decisions or provide recommendations based on the specific ask, which is to provide recommendations.

[3:01:56] Voice 15: so

[3:01:57] Voice 3: i think i understand what you're saying but in that situation if it hasn't been referred to by

[3:02:02] Voice 3: the local trust committee that becomes one member brings it and then it's up to the committee to

[3:02:07] Voice 3: decide whether or not to discuss that information so again if the committee if the local trust

[3:02:13] Voice 3: committee refers items it doesn't then become a decision made at that moment whether or not

[3:02:20] Voice 3: that's relevant so if you feel that the letter from the housing action group is relevant

[3:02:25] Voice 3: that it sounds to me like it's best interest in the best interest to refer that specifically

[3:02:31] Voice 3: to the housing apc rather than you know i bring it and say here's a piece of information we can

[3:02:39] Voice 3: consider the other members of the housing apc can say oh we don't think that's within scope

[3:02:46] Voice 3: yeah it

[3:02:47] Voice 6: doesn't take us two seconds to make a motion yeah i'm happy to make that motion okay

[3:02:51] Trustee Graham: I move that the M&M Trust Committee refer a letter dated May 23, 2023 from the M&M Housing Action Group to the M&M Housing Advisory Planning Commission for their consideration.

[3:03:11] Trustee Graham: Seconded.

[3:03:12] Trustee Graham: Absolutely.

[3:03:13] Voice 6: For the discussion,

[3:03:14] Voice 6: call the question. All in favor?

[3:03:18] Voice 6: It's done.

[3:03:18] Voice 6: I

[3:03:19] Trustee Graham: guess my gut tells me, but what if you're so constrained and we miss referring something to you that's really important and we never get a chance to see that?

[3:03:32] Trustee Graham: I don't live in that world.

[3:03:34] Trustee Graham: You don't live in that world.

[3:03:35] Trustee Graham: We don't live in that world.

[3:03:36] Trustee Graham: This is Denman Island.

[3:03:37] Trustee Graham: This is weird.

[3:03:38] Trustee Graham: So this group here is never going to say, oh, I don't know where you got that information from.

[3:03:44] Trustee Graham: It wasn't specifically referred to you, so I didn't want to hear about it.

[3:03:48] Trustee Graham: that's not

[3:03:48] Trustee Graham: the world we live in but

[3:03:50] Voice 3: we've seen staff still talks about process and talks about

[3:03:53] Voice 3: this is what we have to follow the process and that's why i'm saying i think it's in our

[3:03:59] Voice 3: community's best interest to follow the process

[3:04:01] Voice 4: same

[3:04:02] Trustee Graham: time if you find some jam in some place

[3:04:08] Trustee Graham: don't be afraid to discuss it and bring it even if only one of your members loves the idea

[3:04:13] Trustee Graham: Yeah, bring it to us.

[3:04:15] Voice 15: We're gonna kick it around.

[3:04:17] Voice 15: Part of having an agency

[3:04:20] Voice 15: is that you have people coming from different places,

[3:04:23] Voice 15: bringing with them whatever materials,

[3:04:25] Voice 15: whatever experiences that they have.

[3:04:30] Voice 15: So whatever they bring to that table

[3:04:32] Voice 15: to inform how they make recommendations is all good.

[3:04:39] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:04:40] Voice 6: New business.

[3:04:42] Voice 6: We have freedom of information,

[3:04:44] Voice 6: private protection of privacy file.

[3:04:48] Voice 6: This is strictly an update of the bylaw or any discussion. I don't know if anybody needs to bring it to the table. It's their decision, so if somebody wants to make the motion.

[3:05:09] Voice 6: I have to make the motion. Okay.

[3:05:11] Trustee Graham: I move for Denman Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 246, cited as Denman Island Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information.

[3:05:42] I see Mr. Dingman has popped up on our screen, so I believe he wants to present that to us.

[3:05:53] Voice 6: so we will let him go good

[3:05:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: afternoon chair and local trust committee um the latest uh

[3:06:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: amendments or amendment bylaw uh for the bylaw enforcement notice bylaw is for you uh they're

[3:06:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: presented at a previous meeting and a motion was passed to reduce the number of contraventions

[3:06:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for schedule a which is the contraventions for the denman island land use bylaw number 86

[3:06:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and really the main this was originally done as the setting and use permit bylaw was rescinded

[3:06:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: last year so after six months there were no uh bylaw violation notices that could be issued for

[3:06:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that setting and use permit bylaw and needed to add a new schedule referencing the new setting

[3:06:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and use bylaw to enable the use of the BIN enforcement system to enforce the

[3:06:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: regulations regarding the need to obtain sighting and use permits. So you have the

[3:07:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: new schedules before you, greatly reduced, simplified. It's got Schedule A with just

[3:07:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the contravention for short-term vacation rentals and the amended

[3:07:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: schedule be so that the band system can be used to enforce the setting and use

[3:07:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: permit by law and that's that's that's the context of everything it's just you

[3:07:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: now down to the very reduced schedule and you can adopt it as is or request

[3:07:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: more changes if you desire okay

[3:07:39] Voice 6: thank you very much trustees any questions

[3:07:42] Voice 6: Any other questions?

[3:07:44] Voice 6: There was a request to have this referred to, but

[3:07:48] Trustee Graham: what is your pleasure?

[3:07:51] Trustee Graham: Oh, I'm prepared to give it all of its readings and adopt it today.

[3:07:56] Trustee Graham: Okay.

[3:07:59] Trustee Graham: The Devin Island Local Trust Committee, By-law 247, cited as Devin Island Local Trust Committee

[3:08:06] Trustee Graham: By-law Enforcement Prohibitation By-law, 2019, Amendment Number 1, 2023, be read a first time.

[3:08:12] Trustee Graham: Second. Discussion. All in favor.

[3:08:16] Trustee Graham: That carries.

[3:08:22] Trustee Graham: Second. Discussion. All in favor.

[3:08:31] Trustee Graham: That carries.

[3:08:33] Trustee Graham: move the demo trust committee by 247 seven out of the trust committee by the enforcement of the

[3:08:38] Trustee Graham: tradition 19 and then number one right during time second discussion call question all favors that

[3:08:46] Trustee Graham: carries before i make this last motion i just want to on the public record but this does not in any

[3:08:52] Trustee Graham: way remove the opportunity for violent enforcement to deal with issues that are environmentally

[3:08:58] Trustee Graham: environmental impact.

[3:08:59] Trustee Graham: We always have the courts to resolve any bylaw infraction

[3:09:04] Trustee Graham: that requires that kind of heavy stick application.

[3:09:09] Trustee Graham: So we haven't put ourselves in more peril.

[3:09:11] Trustee Graham: We simply removed a ticketing tool from bylaw enforcement,

[3:09:17] Trustee Graham: but we applied it in two areas,

[3:09:19] Trustee Graham: one of which is a profit driven area

[3:09:21] Trustee Graham: and more than adequate appropriate, sorry,

[3:09:24] Trustee Graham: you work appropriates out of it for uh hitting someone who's making money to hit them in the

[3:09:30] Trustee Graham: pocketbook and the other one i'm saying is that is the only way that we know as an organization

[3:09:37] Trustee Graham: that someone is doing something on actually their product um and there have been incidences

[3:09:43] Trustee Graham: throughout the island's trust for someone built something and it wasn't actually in their

[3:09:46] on their property and it became a very expensive thing to resolve so

[3:09:51] Trustee Graham: that's a pretty serious

[3:09:52] Trustee Graham: a spot to to have. Okay my move for the Demand on Local Trust Committee File 247

[3:09:58] Trustee Graham: decided this Demand on Local Trust Committee File Enforcement Publication

[3:10:01] Trustee Graham: 2019 Amendment 1 2023 be forwarded to the Secretary of the Office of Trust for approval by the Executive

[3:10:07] Trustee Graham: Secretary. Discussion? All questions in favor? That carries. Thank you. Okay thank you.

[3:10:15] Um next up we have Veteranship Planning Commission appointments and we just need a motion

[3:10:20] here i don't think there's anything thank you mr dingman um you know i'm just emotional i don't

[3:10:30] think there's any presentation by staff or anything it's just a process so that the devon

[3:10:38] island local trust committee requests that staff send letters to members of the advisory planning

[3:10:43] commission whose terms expire on july 6 2023 inviting their expressions of interest for

[3:10:49] re-appointments to the advisory planning commission and thank you again for that

[3:10:53] Voice 13: one second maybe discussion

[3:10:55] Voice 6: another question okay

[3:10:58] Voice 4: we're curious has

[3:11:01] Voice 3: the referral been made

[3:11:02] Voice 3: to the housing apc other than like have you made them i don't think you have made the referral

[3:11:10] Voice 3: to strike the housing apc just trying to make it happen like you haven't given us we've appointed

[3:11:19] Trustee Graham: we've appointed seven members today

[3:11:21] Voice 3: you need to give us a referral i

[3:11:23] Voice 6: believe that was the

[3:11:24] Voice 6: That's the second motion that we dealt with in the housing.

[3:11:29] Voice 6: That was

[3:11:30] Voice 3: that you forward the staff report

[3:11:35] Voice 3: and other relevant materials with the term of reference,

[3:11:40] Voice 3: which we have received.

[3:11:41] Voice 3: I can pass that to you if you need it.

[3:11:45] Voice 3: But in terms of reference, it says

[3:11:47] Voice 3: that you need to make a referral for us to discuss,

[3:11:49] Voice 3: and you haven't officially made a referral.

[3:11:52] Voice 6: The regional planning manager has her hand up,

[3:11:54] Voice 6: so I'm sure she's going to fill in the blank.

[3:11:55] Voice 6: Thank

[3:11:57] Voice 10: you. Through the chair. This is for the advisory planning committee. The resolution in the housing preliminary report was for the housing advisory committee. So I'm just recognizing these are two different committees.

[3:12:12] Voice 10: And this report is to, the resolution that was carried was to request that staff send

[3:12:21] Voice 10: letters out to those existing members whose term expires July 6.

[3:12:27] Voice 6: Yeah, I think we're clear on that.

[3:12:29] Voice 6: It was just, the question was, has there actually been a referral, nothing to do with the motion,

[3:12:36] Voice 6: but has there actually been a referral being made to the Housing Advisory Committee?

[3:12:42] Voice 10: the only one that has been made is through the housing resolution that was passed earlier today

[3:12:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): which is about getting a report that is a

[3:12:51] Voice 3: special report that's not about that's not in terms of

[3:12:53] Voice 3: that's not what we need to actually meet we need to receive something from the local trust committee

[3:12:59] Voice 3: before we can meet do

[3:13:01] Voice 6: you have any guidance

[3:13:04] Voice 15: i mean i think the halloween that the committee is now being appointed so you can now meet at

[3:13:11] Voice 15: any point in time um that's up to you when you need me um i will be connecting with the chair

[3:13:17] Voice 15: and we can provide um what we do need to do is a uh uh an orientation so i'll connect with the

[3:13:23] Voice 15: chair and we can organize that uh literally share with the housing

[3:13:26] Voice 3: apc yeah which is the chair of

[3:13:29] Voice 3: the housing apc i don't know you guys haven't oh yeah yeah

[3:13:32] Voice 3: so

[3:13:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): this is this is the thing so

[3:13:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): this is the question that i think rihanna is asking so currently there isn't a direct referral

[3:13:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Now, and this is very anachronistic.

[3:13:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So I'm trying to, I'm struggling with figuring out

[3:13:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): exactly what the thing is here too.

[3:13:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): But our request for a report is that,

[3:13:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and the materials that are forwarded

[3:13:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as part of that motion that we made before,

[3:13:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): does that not task the Housing ABC

[3:14:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to meet and discuss and do work?

[3:14:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Is that not, is that?

[3:14:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah,

[3:14:05] Voice 15: that's all the, yeah, so you,

[3:14:07] Voice 15: sorry um you've appointed you've appointed the apc yeah so you've now made they

[3:14:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): exist they exist

[3:14:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as a body yeah totally

[3:14:17] Voice 15: but they need to be given a directive to everyone right yeah i i didn't know

[3:14:21] Voice 15: that you hadn't done it yet so i guess that would be the next step is now you're a body so now you

[3:14:25] Voice 15: can meet um and i will be i will connect with you with i will be connecting to because there is an

[3:14:34] Voice 15: orientation that we can do and that's where we can kind of talk through and the closest logistics

[3:14:40] Voice 3: we did the orientation was included in the material that unfortunately cam hasn't received

[3:14:46] Voice 3: yet but uh those of us that did receive it we did the orientation yes that was in the material

[3:14:52] Voice 3: was recording of the orientation uh and included in the material sent to us with the term of

[3:14:58] Voice 3: reference which said that we require a specific referral so you need to refer to the land use

[3:15:04] Voice 3: violence and the ocp to us to consider and that's a different thing from referring the staff report

[3:15:12] Voice 3: to us because we need a broader mandate you need to give us a mandate before we compete

[3:15:19] Voice 3: and form the committee and she's chair and those sorts of things that's my understanding of the

[3:15:34] Voice 6: So

[3:15:35] Voice 10: what I would like to suggest through the chair is if there's some clarification, I

[3:15:42] Voice 10: will pull in our legislative clerk, Nadine, to provide some clarification to the HAPC,

[3:15:50] Voice 10: the APC members for the benefit of being clear on the referrals and when they're being asked

[3:15:58] Voice 10: to consider some information. I'll also speak with Narissa as well with regards to the resolution

[3:16:06] Voice 10: made. I think there may be some clarity for the housing advisory planning commission members

[3:16:15] Voice 10: members with some direction of what we're asking them for.

[3:16:19] Voice 15: Well, yeah, this is this is

[3:16:23] Voice 15: like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[3:16:25] Voice 15: I will be in contact with the housing.

[3:16:28] Voice 15: I will figure out who to contact first.

[3:16:32] Voice 15: I will be in contact.

[3:16:34] Voice 15: And I think I think from what I'm hearing, it would probably appropriate to have

[3:16:38] Voice 15: got like a zoom call with everybody um to sort of just go through the the the process and logistics

[3:16:46] Voice 15: so you now have a referral you have a referral you have a um you have a material that that has been

[3:16:54] Voice 15: um a request by the ltc so at this point you can you know start making deliberations on i'm sorry

[3:17:01] Voice 3: what is the request by the otc

[3:17:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): andrea just so the the the referral that we made earlier

[3:17:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): it was modified from what's in the agenda you got that bit so the ocp and the land use files

[3:17:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): were included in that request that that be forward to you for consideration by nature

[3:17:22] Trustee Graham: ms de silva is absolutely correct this body needs to make a formal referral and i am happy to do

[3:17:31] Trustee Graham: that right now. I move that the Local Trust Committee ask the Housing Advisory Planning

[3:17:40] Trustee Graham: Commission to meet and consider, in quotation marks, all things housing, and bring back

[3:17:50] Trustee Graham: their recommendations by October 1st, 2023.

[3:17:55] Voice 6: The seconder, Nancy, the Regional Planning Manager has her hand up.

[3:17:59] Voice 6: So I don't know if you have.

[3:18:03] Voice 9: Sorry, through the chair,

[3:18:04] Voice 9: that's not regarding this, no.

[3:18:06] Voice 6: Okay, so discussion?

[3:18:10] Trustee Graham: That's not inclusive enough.

[3:18:11] Trustee Graham: I don't know what language would be.

[3:18:13] Trustee Graham: Okay.

[3:18:14] Voice 3: Can you put your preliminary report in July in there too?

[3:18:18] Voice 4: I would like, I don't know.

[3:18:20] Voice 4: I'll send it down.

[3:18:30] Voice 4: That

[3:18:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): would still happen.

[3:18:34] Voice 13: But you

[3:18:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): guys need it.

[3:18:36] Trustee Graham: You're about to have the report.

[3:18:39] Trustee Graham: So those are the things that have to have happened before anything else happens.

[3:18:44] Trustee Graham: So let's vote on this and then we have two things done.

[3:18:46] Trustee Graham: Okay, okay with

[3:18:47] Voice 6: that. So we'll vote? You're happy with that?

[3:18:49] Voice 15: Yeah, I don't want to interrupt the vote.

[3:18:50] Voice 15: Okay,

[3:18:50] Voice 6: so we'll vote. We'll vote on the motion?

[3:18:52] Voice 6: Yes, absolutely.

[3:18:53] Voice 6: All in favor? Okay, that's done.

[3:18:54] Voice 6: Try to chat with me.

[3:18:55] Voice 15: I was just going to say, if you would like to have some motion for staff to connect with the ABC,

[3:19:03] Voice 15: like for foreign orientation, let's just call it that, then it's just

[3:19:07] Voice 15: captured in the follow-up it would be it would be different regardless and then we've got it

[3:19:13] Voice 15: now the only thing understanding connectivity issues is is a zoom meeting workable for this

[3:19:19] organization like i think it's i don't think do you have a facility i mean i'm i'm sure that if

[3:19:27] there's an issue um with for connectivity for any of the ajpc members we

[3:19:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): can talk about that

[3:19:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that. I am personally happy to help. Yeah.

[3:19:38] Voice 15: And also, when the

[3:19:43] Voice 15: legislation was changed to enable police in for for

[3:19:50] Voice 15: counseling, LTC meetings, I don't know that it can be fully

[3:19:54] Voice 15: there's a forum still has to be present. Or I'll double check

[3:20:01] Voice 15: what the logistics are. So

[3:20:03] Voice 6: what

[3:20:04] Voice 15: I would say is just leave it

[3:20:06] Voice 15: that at meeting for now in the resolution okay

[3:20:10] Voice 6: so how how would you like that

[3:20:11] Voice 6: but

[3:20:12] Voice 15: the ltc requests that uh to um connect with the the others or to schedule a meeting with the

[3:20:27] Voice 15: community with the housing apc um members members for orientation or schedule an

[3:20:35] Voice 4: orientation um

[3:20:43] Voice 3: I have already done an orientation meeting through the Islands Trust for this housing APC, as have other members of the housing APC.

[3:20:53] Voice 3: And I would just ask that that motion that you're considering, please, if we can meet anyways, the housing APC can meet, and we'll figure out how to meet with the staff.

[3:21:04] Voice 3: It's a great idea to meet with the staff and get on the same page, but I don't want to delay and wait for staff time to open up before we can meet.

[3:21:12] Voice 3: So as long as we can still meet, I think that's a great idea.

[3:21:16] Voice 3: You

[3:21:16] Voice 6: can meet tonight.

[3:21:17] Voice 15: And through the chair.

[3:21:22] Voice 3: Now that we've got a referral.

[3:21:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We've got to turn the key, and then you guys can hit the gas.

[3:21:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): That's the way we're doing it.

[3:21:30] Voice 3: Do you still want the motion to stay in orientation?

[3:21:33] Voice 3: Or maybe we'll stop.

[3:21:38] Voice 6: Seconded to that motion.

[3:21:41] Voice 3: Yeah, I just want to say that point of orientation is not just reading the words, it's bringing the team together, right? So I think it's kind of important to do that, and that's what we've done very quickly, so that we can get started.

[3:21:58] Orientation, back in.

[3:22:00] Trustee Graham: Is that what you're saying? Orientation back in?

[3:22:03] Trustee Graham: Yep.

[3:22:04] Trustee Graham: We're just discussing the wording of the motion, and you put your hand up. We took orientation out, so do you want orientation back in?

[3:22:17] Trustee Graham: It's a different kind of orientation

[3:22:18] Voice 3: it's not going to hurt unless it delays us.

[3:22:20] Voice 3: Unless it's I

[3:22:21] Voice 3: don't think this yeah this does not

[3:22:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): preclude you guys having another discussion.

[3:22:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Um would you should we put in a a time frame or is that going to be um I I think let's just leave

[3:22:38] Voice 15: it now i'll find it yeah you know consider that one of

[3:22:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): us needs to read that out oh

[3:22:50] Voice 3: i just have

[3:22:51] Voice 3: to move that the demo local trust can you request staff to schedule an orientation meeting with the

[3:22:56] Voice 3: housing apc members i can put a comment in this does not restrict them i don't think

[3:23:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we need to

[3:23:03] Voice 6: i think we know that

[3:23:03] Voice 6: so yes move a second i'll save it for discussion so now we move on to the

[3:23:19] Voice 6: trust and service report which is not application report thank you um report um may 30th you know

[3:23:29] Voice 6: also uh icd bridge planning so thank

[3:23:35] Voice 10: you through the chair um as part of new business i wanted to

[3:23:39] Voice 10: if i may um ask for an item uh regarding the comox valley regional district protocol meeting that's

[3:23:48] Voice 10: coming up. Just a just

[3:23:51] Voice 10: a reminder of any 12

[3:23:57] Voice 6: .4

[3:23:59] Voice 10: Comox regarding

[3:24:03] Voice 10: Comox Valley Regional District and Islands Trust annual

[3:24:07] Voice 10: protocol meeting. A reminder for the trustees to provide any

[3:24:13] Voice 10: topics for the upcoming meeting june 19th so

[3:24:21] Voice 6: you have been reminded what's

[3:24:24] Trustee Graham: our deadline for that

[3:24:25] Trustee Graham: topic okay

[3:24:27] Voice 9: thursday thursday

[3:24:30] Voice 6: lots of time to you

[3:24:33] Voice 6: to

[3:24:35] Voice 10: me and to administration assistant will calling

[3:24:38] Voice 10: him i

[3:24:44] Voice 6: have been told i have to attend so i will be there thank you all right thank you very much

[3:24:49] Okay, so we'll move on to application report. May 30th, I think SSU for information,

[3:24:59] Documents, Policies and Registration for Information, Local Trusting Committee,

[3:25:03] Redbook, PHS, there's nothing there. 2022-23 Annual Report, Approval of Devon Island LTC

[3:25:13] Section. So this is something we have, I don't know who raised these things up,

[3:25:18] Voice 6: but it is somebody in the office who is a genius because every one of these i really go wow you

[3:25:24] Voice 6: actually captured all of them they're quite well done so i think we need to have a motion

[3:25:32] Trustee Graham: i moved the deminal trust committee approved the attached text for inclusion in the 2022

[3:25:40] Trustee Graham: 23 annual report for approval by trust council and submission to the minister for the missile affairs

[3:25:46] Trustee Graham: excellent

[3:25:47] Voice 6: second second discussion all professional in favor that carries um so we have

[3:25:54] and then we have project watershed for information um work program active projects and future

[3:26:01] projects anybody have any questions or discussion on those everybody's happy we like this um and

[3:26:08] then we move down to upcoming meetings um the next regular meeting is scheduled for tuesday

[3:26:13] july 25th 2023 and 10 o'clock here cool all right um i do note that we do not have town hall

[3:26:24] is but i said we should have had town hall if anybody wants to say anything but

[3:26:29] i

[3:26:30] Voice 6: think you've said enough i

[3:26:33] Voice 3: do have one more topic

[3:26:36] Voice 3: Thank you. I noticed that in the standing resolutions, the density bank numbers are not correct. They're very high. It actually is more down like, I don't know, eight or something.

[3:26:50] Voice 3: and I'm curious that are like in the density bank but I posted the standing resolutions

[3:26:55] Voice 3: it's still listed that I don't know what's the number so is there a way to direct staff to

[3:27:03] Voice 3: update the density bank numbers it's still at 33 and that I believe is not taking out

[3:27:08] Voice 3: uh Dem Green has not been removed from that number and I believe Pepper Lane has not been

[3:27:15] Voice 3: removed from that number and I do believe they have been assigned to the properties and they

[3:27:19] Voice 3: need to be removed from the final accounting of the johnson bank so

[3:27:23] Voice 6: that's page 118.

[3:27:35] Voice 10: through the chair

[3:27:36] Voice 10: it's not but i'll defer to planner chadwick i just wanted

[3:27:39] Voice 10: to flag that

[3:27:40] Voice 10: our public comment is town hall um it's just called two different things yeah

[3:27:46] Voice 6: okay thank you

[3:27:47] Voice 15: That is identified as one of the things, as part of the project. It'll be, we kind of need to flow, so we will have to update that density bank, and there's also the OCP, there's an appendix in the OCP that also has numbers in, so that will have to be updated as well, so that will be done in due course as we move through.

[3:28:12] Voice 15: Those

[3:28:13] Voice 3: numbers are going to really make a difference when we're discussing because a lot of people don't understand how the density bank works.

[3:28:20] Voice 3: So it looks like there's 33 densities left in it, which there is not.

[3:28:24] Voice 3: And so trying to discuss that with the correct numbers is going to make our discussion really difficult.

[3:28:32] Voice 3: I am aware of the 5% addition that we have with that, but that, again, is a very confusing formula, and the entire density bank is confusing enough.

[3:28:42] Voice 3: If we don't have the real numbers, that makes it harder for us to have that discussion, so I'm wondering if Duke-Horse could be able to assume that.

[3:28:50] Voice 15: Yeah, so, Mr. Chair, certainly, like, so when we discussed that with the APC, we didn't have a discussion about how to deal with that.

[3:28:56] Voice 15: that's um um and uh and those updated numbers i need to uh i can identify what what we understand

[3:29:06] Voice 15: to be an updated number of numbers and we'll see if they're consistent with that

[3:29:12] Voice 6: so it just

[3:29:16] Voice 6: we have more of that so just to go back to the planning manager um as i recall at the end

[3:29:29] on the agenda that i didn't see here um that's why i brought it up so i don't know if

[3:29:33] if

[3:29:34] Voice 6: we've modified that or that was just missed um

[3:29:38] Voice 10: i'm not sure if it was missed i think it's

[3:29:41] Voice 10: it's up it's been moved to number five um it's i understand it's consistency is different

[3:29:49] Voice 10: across the islands so yeah so

[3:29:51] Voice 6: traditionally i believe devon will leave at least last

[3:29:55] Voice 6: time you said i've attended we've had one at the beginning one at the end of the meeting

[3:30:00] Voice 6: So, anyway, we'll just put that on your radar, and it might be something I skipped, but we've dealt with it, and everybody's smiling, which I like.

[3:30:11] All right, so motion to adjourn.

[3:30:14] Two seconds.

[3:30:15] All in favor?

[3:30:16] Thank you very much, everybody.

[3:30:18] Big thanks to the staff for staying.

[3:30:20] Voice 6: Yes, thank you.

[3:30:21] Voice 6: And I'm going to be on

[3:30:21] Voice 6: a big thanks for Gallaudet for staying.

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Denman Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
June 6, 2023 
Denman Activity Centre 
1111 Northwest Rd, Denman Island, BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair  
 David Graham, Trustee  
 Sam Borthwick, Trustee  
   
Staff Present: Renée Jamurat, Regional Planning Manager – attended electronically 
Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner 
Marlis McCargar, Island Planner – attended electronically 
Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement Manager -  
     attended electronically 
Taryn Plater, Student Planner 
 
 Vicky Bockman, Recorder  
   
Others Present: Approximately eight (8) members of the public   
   
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
The Chair called the meeting to order at 10:00 am. He welcomed the public, introduced 
Trustees, staff and recorder. He acknowledged that the meeting was being held in traditional 
territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was adopted. 
3. RISE AND REPORT 
Judy Armstrong, Richard Day, Karla Neufer, Riane daSilva, Pamela Willis, Virginia Spinney, and 
Rosa Telegus were appointed to the Denman Island Housing Advisory Planning Commission. 
4. REPORTS 
 

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4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Graham reported: 
 that he attended a Financial Planning Committee meeting where the unaudited 
March 31, 2023 financial statement was considered and approved to go 
forward to the next Trust Council meeting; and 
 that hard copies of the Denman Island Official Community Plan (OCP) and Land 
Use Bylaw (LUB) are now in the Dora Drinkwater Library for the community’s 
information. 
Trustee Borthwick reported on a Ferry Advisory Committee meeting with BC Ferries to 
discuss summer ferry plans. The meeting was well attended by Denman Island 
community members. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Maude commented that he is honoured to be Chair of the Denman Island Local 
Trust Committee (LTC) and that he enjoys the community.  
He described incidents of tree cutting by Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure 
(MOTI) that are the subject of discussions on other islands. He noted that improved 
communications and work on the protocol agreement would be advisable.  
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report - none 
5. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
 Any diversion or planning that would deter or delay moving forward with the idea of 
affordable housing on Denman Island is not necessary or needed. 
 Housing is critically needed and affects everyone; forward thinking is needed; without 
the well-being of people, this community will disintegrate with gentrification. 
 Clarification was requested as to where the referral to the Housing Advisory Planning 
Commission (HAPC) discussion appears on the agenda. Request was made to include the 
Siting and Use bylaw enforcement issue with the HAPC referral. 
 Looking into the future, status quo means things will be worse. 
6. DELEGATIONS - none 
7. MINUTES 
7.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated April 4, 2023- for adoption 
By general consent the minutes dated April 4, 2023 were adopted. 
7.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated May 23, 2023 
Received for information 
7.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes dated - none 
7.4 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated April 25, 2023 - for adoption 

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By general consent the minutes dated April 25, 2023 were adopted. 
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List dated May 30, 2023 
 Staff will follow-up to ensure that all HAPC members have received the documents 
as listed in the April 25 activity. 
 A Trustee recognized the importance of initiating a dialogue between the LTC 
members and K'ómoks First Nation and asked that the April 4 activity to initiate the 
process be expedited. 
9. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS - none 
10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
10.1 Denman Island Farming Regulation Review Project - Staff Report 
Planner McCargar presented an overview of the Staff Report that provides background 
on the project, asks the LTC to consider minor amendments to Proposed Bylaw Nos. 228 
and 229, and provides information on referral feedback received to date. 
By general consent the meeting recessed at 10:42 am and reconvened at 10:55 am. 
Discussion included the following points: 
 The Staff Report proposes that the LUB Schedule B Zoning Map be added to a 
future projects list to ensure the approximately five properties that are 
designated Agriculture in the OCP and are in the ALR are zoned correspondingly. 
A Trustee inquired if that might be incorporated into the amendments being 
considered at this time. 
o Staff responded that it would be possible; however, it would extend the 
timeline for completion of the project by a few months. 
 The process that gives different numbers to bylaws and their amending 
documents was explained in response to a Trustee’s proposal that an alternate 
method might be considered to make it easier for the public to understand. 
 A Trustee indicated that while he is willing to participate in the vote on the 
Farming Review recommendations at this time, he expressed a desire to 
understand the history of the project in a more complete manner. A meeting 
with staff will be arranged. 
 
DE-2023-024 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 228, cited as “Denman Island 
Official Community Plan, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018,” be amended as presented in 
Attachment 2 – Schedule C Land Use Designations of the Staff Report dated June 6, 
2023. 
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DE-2023-025 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 228, cited as “Denman Island 
Official Community Plan, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018,” be read a second time, as 
amended. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-026 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 229 cited as “Denman Island 
Land Use Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018” be amended as follows: 
a) In Part 1 – ADMINISTRATION, Section 1.1 add “where no permanent facilities 
are constructed or erected” after “Assessment Act” in the agri-tourism 
definition. 
b) In Section 1.23 Table 2 (8) – Permitted Buildings and Structures delete “for a 
period of two (2) consecutive years.” 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-027 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 229 cited as “Denman Island 
Land Use Bylaw, 2008, Amendment No. 1, 2018” be read a second time, as amended. 
CARRIED 
 
DE-2023-028 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee send notification to all property owners 
affected by the changes outlined in Attachment 2 – Schedule C Land Use Designations of 
the Staff Report dated June 6, 2023. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-029 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee add a Land Use Bylaw Map Amendment 
Project to align the Official Community Plan land use designations with the Land Use 
Bylaw zoning regulations to the “Future Projects” list. 
CARRIED 
 
10.2 Denman Major Project - Housing Review Project Preliminary Report 
Planner Chadwick presented the Staff Report that provides project background, options, 
and potential next steps for LTC consideration. 
Trustees’ comments included the following: 

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 Concerns heard that the LTC is moving away from the Preserve and Protect 
mandate toward development were addressed; 
 Public concern has been expressed regarding additional studies being 
undertaken for this project; however, funding requires information provided 
through studies and will not delay recommendations and review of the data; 
 Water needs to be considered with rainwater capture encouraged; 
 Land share concept can relieve some land price pressure; and housing 
agreements are an important part of this discussion; 
 Legalizing current unlawful housing in cases where housing is providing safe and 
secure accommodation was supported;  
 Caution regarding use of subdivision to address housing needs was expressed as 
this can lead to selling of smaller parcels and an increase in land price. 
Staff solicited input as to preferences for community engagement on the project: 
 The use of a professional facilitator was not felt to be necessary; 
 An interim report by the HAPC at the July LTC meeting would be useful. 
Chair Maude opened the floor for public comments: 
 The human right to housing is being delayed and denied; this project is into its 
second year. A report needed for potential funding does not need to be 
included in the Housing Bylaw Review project. An updated Housing Needs 
Assessment should be done separately from this project. Reports of actions 
being taken by other rural areas to address housing, including tiny home parks, 
would be useful. Proposals for housing agreement templates would be helpful. 
The LTC was asked to stay focused on the Housing Bylaw Review to expedite 
action. 
 Coho Housing is an example of living with water limitations, conserving water 
and the forest by using water cisterns which is the way of the future. Will there 
be a count in this review of those experiencing homelessness? 
o Staff responded that the LTC is being asked to consider requesting the 
Denman Housing Action Group (HAG) to help gather community based 
information relevant to the understanding of the housing need. 
 The LTC was encouraged to work with community groups including the HAG to 
gather information to produce a report that might be used for potential funding 
possibilities. These groups have been successful with funding opportunities 
based on information already existing. 
 Concern was expressed with the use of the Suitable Land Analysis tool identified 
in the Staff Report as who defines “suitable” is questionable and it might hinder 
advancement of the project. The LTC was encouraged to legalize currently 
unlawful housing and create water and sewage solutions that are basic, safe and 
legal. 
 
Discussion continued with the following noted: 
 A Trustee commented that the Suitable Land Analysis would be a useful tool; 
however, cannot be the only tool utilized to determine the suitability of 

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residential use. Additionally, he suggested that the HAPC might provide options 
for legalizing housing that does not include onsite inspections. 
 Staff advised that an updated Housing Needs Assessment would not diminish 
the staff time focusing on this project. 
 A Trustee questioned the inclusion of Short Term Vacation Rental (STVR) review 
with this project, stating his understanding that this had been eliminated from 
this project previously. 
o Staff responded that this was included in the business case submitted to 
Trust Council for funding; however, confirmed that the project will not 
be focusing on STVR issues. Technical amendments can be addressed in 
the process. 
 A Trustee recognized that for many years housing has been an unresolved issue 
on Denman Island and confirmed this LTC’s commitment to the issue of housing.  
He asked the community to be patient with the process that does take time. 
 
DE-2023-030 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request that staff send a letter to 
relevant First Nations to ask how they would like to be engaged in the development of a 
housing action plan for Denman Island. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-031 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request that staff forward the June 6, 
2023 report and other relevant materials to the Denman Island Housing Advisory 
Commission for review and comments by October 1, 2023. 
CARRIED 
A Trustee commented that the LTC would welcome an interim report from the HAPC 
any time previous to the October 1 date if available. 
DE-2023-032 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request that staff ask the Denman 
Housing Action Group, the Denman Community Land Trust Association, and the Denman 
Housing Association to help gather community based information relevant to 
understanding housing need. 
CARRIED 
The matter of community engagement was discussed with a need to consider whether 
to conduct an informal or formal session being raised. A suggestion was made to task 
the HAPC with providing public engagement options. 
By general consent the meeting recessed at 12:46 pm and reconvened at 12:49 pm. 

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DE-2023-033 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request that staff identify public 
engagement options in consultation with the Housing Advisory Planning Commission. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-034 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request that staff develop a project 
charter for the next phase in the Housing Review Project. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-035 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to develop a business case 
focusing on the need for a water availability assessment as part of the housing project 
for 2024/25. 
CARRIED 
 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
11.1 Letter dated May 6, 2023 from S. Carballeira regarding Re-Classification of Application 
A Trustee spoke regarding the letter which describes the requirement for a subdivision 
process to accomplish what is a sale of property and lot line adjustment and informs the 
LTC that evidence he has provided to staff is not being accepted as evidence that the 
property is designated legal non-conforming status with the onsite buildings pre-dating 
the formation of the Islands Trust. 
A Trustee proposed that the LTC might address the legal non-conforming issue as OCP 
Policy 30, first bullet allows that the LTC may consider bringing into conformity dwelling 
units that were in existence but did not comply with the policies at the time of its 
adoption in 2009, provided that the applicant provides written evidence to the 
satisfaction of the LTC that the dwelling units were constructed prior to the date of 
adoption of the OCP.  
Discussion of the matter followed: 
 A letter provided by the applicant, written by Kathy Rieder, was provided 
electronically for the LTC’s consideration. 
 Trustees considered the information provided in this letter to be satisfactory 
evidence that the cottage and main house of the subject property were in 

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existence in 1973, and suggested they have adequate information to vote on 
their acceptance of the evidence at this time. 
 Trustees were advised to defer their decision by Regional Planning Manager 
Jamurat to allow time for staff review, noting that the Planner assigned to this 
file is not in attendance and in consideration of the application process that is 
necessary to advise a response to MOTI. 
 
DE-2023-036 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to consider Denman Island 
Official Community Plan Policy 30 regarding applicant Steve Carballeira’s subdivision 
application number DE-SUB-2022.1 and the particular aspect of the existing secondary 
dwelling and its age of construction with regards to the letter Kathy Rieder submitted to 
Steve Carballeira and the opportunity for the Local Trust Committee to vote on whether 
the evidence is satisfactory. 
           CARRIED 
 
Staff was asked to expedite this request through a Resolution Without Meeting session if possible. 
11.2 Email dated May 23, 2023 from Denman Island Housing Action Group 
DE-2023-037 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee refer the letter dated May 23, 2023 from 
the Denman Housing Action Group to the Denman Housing Advisory Planning 
Commission for their consideration. 
CARRIED 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Bylaw - for adoption 
DE-2023-038 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 246, cited as “Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Bylaw No. 246, 
2023” be adopted. 
CARRIED 
12.2 Bylaw Enforcement Notice Bylaw Amendments - Staff Report 
Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager Dingman presented the staff report that 
explains the amendments for the contravention Schedules for the Denman Island LTC 
Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw, 2019 that limits the contraventions listed to 
Short Term Vacation Rentals and failing to obtain Siting and Use permits. 

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DE-2023-039 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 247, cited as “Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw, 2019, Amendment No. 1, 
2023,” be read a first time. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-040 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 247, cited as “Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw, 2019, Amendment No. 1, 
2023,” be read a second time. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-041 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 247, cited as “Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw, 2019, Amendment No. 1, 
2023,” be read a third time. 
 
A Trustee explained that this does not remove the ability for Bylaw Enforcement to deal with issues that 
impact the environment; it is a ticketing tool that otherwise limits the enforcement to Siting and Use 
issues and those profiting from the unlawful Short Term Vacation Rental operations. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-042 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 247, cited as “Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw, 2019, Amendment No. 1, 
2023,” be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive 
Committee. 
CARRIED 
12.3 Advisory Planning Commission Appointments – Staff Report 
DE-2023-043 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request that staff send letters to members of the 
Advisory Planning Commission whose terms expire on July 6, 2023, inviting their expressions of 
interest for reappointment to the Advisory Planning Commission and thanking them for their 
participation. 
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LTC members discussed the need for an official referral to be made to the HAPC along with an 
orientation session. 
DE-2023-044 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee ask the Housing Advisory Planning Commission 
to meet and consider “all things housing” and bring back their recommendations by October 1, 
2023. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-045 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule an orientation meeting 
with the Housing Advisory Planning Commission members. 
CARRIED 
By general consent item 12.4 was added to the agenda. 
12.4 Comox Valley Regional District and Islands Trust Protocol Meeting 
Regional Planning Manager Jamurat requested that Trustees provide her with agenda items for 
the upcoming annual Comox Valley Regional District and Islands Trust Protocol Meeting, 
scheduled to occur on June 19. 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report – none 
13.2 Applications Report dated May 30, 2023 
Received. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated April 2023 
Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
No changes or additions were requested. 
13.6 2022/23 Annual Report - Approval of Denman Island's LTC Section 
DE-2023-046 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee approves the text attached to the June 6, 
2023 Trust Area Services Request for Decision for inclusion in the 2022/23 Annual 
Report for approval by Trust Council and submission to the Minister of Municipal Affairs. 
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13.7 Project Watershed - for information 
Received. 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Active Projects Report dated May 30, 2023 
Received. 
14.2 Future Projects Report dated May 30, 2023 
Received. 
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:00 am at Denman 
Activity Centre, 1111 Northwest Road, Denman Island, BC 
The LTC confirmed the next regular meeting date, time and location. 
Chair Maude suggested that a Town Hall at the end of the agenda on a regular basis would be useful. He 
opened the floor for public comment: 
 It was pointed out that the Density Bank numbers are not correct and are in need of updating in 
the Standing Resolutions report and elsewhere. It will be difficult for the HAPC to consider their 
Housing Review referral without updated information and staff was requested to expedite the 
correction of the information. 
16. ADJOURNMENT 
DE-2023-047 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee meeting be adjourned. 
CARRIED 
The meeting was adjourned at 1:55 pm. 
 
 
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David Maude, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Vicky Bockman, Recorder