Islands Trust Executive Committee public hearing, June 20, 2023

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[0:01:08] Voice 5: i'm going to get out of here but the tim you might want to put the camera on for the time being and

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[0:01:23] Voice 12: would it help

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[0:01:27] Voice 5: nobody else locally should be connected to that connection anybody any other connection is

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[0:01:58] Voice 3: are streaming and recording,

[0:02:00] Voice 3: so I'm just going to go ahead and call a meeting, because we're only about one minute

[0:02:04] Voice 3: it's late yay technology so welcome everyone i'd like to call this june 20th 2023 meeting of the

[0:02:13] Voice 3: galley galley annal island committee regular meeting to border would acknowledge that we're

[0:02:21] Voice 3: meeting on the territory of both salish first nations and be respectful of that and are fortunate

[0:02:31] Voice 3: to be here and um we have an agenda before us trustees any additions changes to

[0:02:39] Voice 12: the agenda at

[0:02:39] Voice 12: all

[0:02:39] Voice 3: we

[0:02:41] Voice 12: do have two late pieces of correspondence that i've ordered word of view this morning

[0:02:46] Voice 12: um they should be added correspondence and then we get to those um the ltc can receive those okay

[0:02:54] Voice 3: and so then can i take it by general consent we'll include the agenda as amended

[0:03:02] Voice 12: Great. So then we'll start with a trustee report.

[0:03:06] Voice 12: Who would like to go first?

[0:03:08] Voice 12: I can go first.

[0:03:11] Voice 12: Hi, everyone.

[0:03:13] Voice 12: With the November 12, Tennessee business meeting in May,

[0:03:16] Voice 12: Galliano LLC held a public hearing for Chris Martin.

[0:03:20] Voice 12: It was held by us on May 6 at the Lyons Hall.

[0:03:26] Voice 12: Also in May, Galliano's trust hosted a watershed security strategy session.

[0:03:32] Voice 12: as part of the Island Trust's

[0:03:34] Voice 12: fresh water sustainability strategy.

[0:03:36] Voice 12: It was highlighted that watershed security

[0:03:39] Voice 12: and fresh water sustainability projects

[0:03:41] Voice 12: are critical to understand those limits

[0:03:44] Voice 12: and climate change impacts.

[0:03:47] Voice 12: So Galliano Maze brings us Roots of Pericastweed,

[0:03:53] Voice 12: provides a great opportunity for us

[0:03:55] Voice 12: to review our emergency plans.

[0:03:59] Voice 12: Some of the problems that we face

[0:04:00] Voice 12: in our Gulf Islands are wind storms,

[0:04:05] Voice 12: power outages, wildfires, earthquakes. Your plan should include where your family needs

[0:04:12] Voice 12: an emergency. If you have pets or farm animals that have to be moved or taken care of,

[0:04:18] Voice 12: they're not three to more than the last that we still need. The Galleon Emergency Program is a

[0:04:25] Voice 12: volunteer-run program. Please consider joining the program. There are seven different roles

[0:04:33] Voice 12: that are available and then he will provide some training there will also be a new flyer

[0:04:38] Voice 12: are you prepared but we get your mail models pretty soon excellent suggestions for

[0:04:44] Voice 12: for you to consider if you're say are sheltering at home um what to put in your travel okay please

[0:04:53] Voice 12: thanks

[0:04:57] Voice 9: welcome

[0:04:58] Voice 10: everybody um and for us thank you for being in this place um and everybody

[0:05:06] Voice 10: have to count before they leave they should look up the wall and look at the names of all the

[0:05:10] Voice 10: children that attended this school and there's two significant events that you can notice when you

[0:05:18] Voice 10: when you go through the name from that wall um one of them obviously is the bombing of pearl

[0:05:23] Voice 10: harbor and when the japanese left the island you know there's four families here up until that

[0:05:32] Voice 10: point there right here it happened the other one is if you look at a lot of the names they're

[0:05:39] Voice 10: global first nations names and they attended the school because their parents at the time

[0:05:47] Voice 10: built this school so they wouldn't have to attend the residential school on canal island and um

[0:05:56] Voice 10: you know that's you think about how many people have affected you look at those names and think

[0:06:01] Voice 10: about how many people have affected um you know that's it's amazing to think that they had the

[0:06:09] Voice 10: um the will and the fortitude to pick that up and and to save those kids from that experience

[0:06:18] Voice 10: um one of the names that you see up there a lot is crocker and um i'm really pleased to um have

[0:06:29] Voice 12: Michelle Crocker here from the Connecticut Nation and so I'm going to turn my time over to Michelle.

[0:06:36] Voice 12: Okay, we'll give you a

[0:06:37] Voice 12: little history lesson.

[0:06:39] Voice 12: I'm Michelle Crocker and I am Edwin Crocker's oldest daughter. I'm one of 11 and my grandfather

[0:06:49] Voice 12: was Arlie Crocker and he had 17 sisters and my dad had 11. There's like 250 Crockers from this island

[0:06:58] Voice 12: alone and we have been completely bypassed by the island's trusted completely so i want to

[0:07:04] Voice 12: say that you're not in post-sailing territory you're in an elegant territory this is my

[0:07:11] Voice 12: land and not only do we have those families from this end of the island we have the georges

[0:07:17] Voice 12: the ellards the elliots the joes the forays the banes the browns and peters all of these people

[0:07:26] Voice 12: are still descended here there's lots of people here now i don't know if you have to drag in 300

[0:07:31] Voice 12: indians just pretty that we are from here i've been completely bypassed on any sort of violence

[0:07:36] Voice 12: trust issue so i have to put that complaint forward one of the people that have been

[0:07:43] Voice 12: completely disrespected on this island was right steven who is a crocker descendant and

[0:07:49] Voice 12: owned land here he was driven all down we could say we had a positive conclusion to that

[0:07:54] Voice 12: that particular issue but it was not positive it's lucky so i i just have to say these things

[0:08:00] Voice 12: because i've asked my band to put in a judicial review of island strength because of how we've

[0:08:08] Voice 12: been treated on this island and it goes deep how many years has this been going the 70s

[0:08:14] Voice 12: there was supposed to be an assessment and an evaluation who assessed and evaluated this trust

[0:08:20] Voice 12: us and every five year review did that ever happen so i think that we need to and my i'm just more

[0:08:28] Voice 12: than from the native side of this island my grandmother was a schofield my mother is a

[0:08:33] Voice 12: schofield cook descendant cook's farm and the conservancy property is also connected and we're

[0:08:40] Voice 12: related to everybody on this island so i just need to bring that forward for your information

[0:08:47] Voice 12: for you to discuss after the fact however you want to do this but i've asked now to move forward

[0:08:53] Voice 12: with this and now that you know we're slowly making head roads into being noticed but you're

[0:08:59] Voice 12: in inelegant territory not wholesale just so you can thank you thank you michelle

[0:09:07] Voice 12: yeah and thank you michelle for for coming and speaking to us and i'd love to talk a few more

[0:09:15] Voice 12: um you

[0:09:16] Voice 3: know being uh being the new chair on on galliano i probably know less than anyone in this

[0:09:22] Voice 3: room about the history here um but i'm more than willing and eager to learn more

[0:09:29] Voice 12: yeah that's

[0:09:36] Voice 3: and i'm i'm really interested and pleased to to take part in that um as my chair's

[0:09:43] Voice 3: report uh i don't have much um to offer that's terribly relevant to galliano i'd say the biggest

[0:09:50] Voice 3: um uh biggest thing lately has been uh as we've had a couple of executive committee meetings

[0:09:57] Voice 3: in preparation for june trust council which is next week on on gabriola and uh

[0:10:04] Voice 3: looking forward to actually having the trust council meetings out on islands again

[0:10:08] Voice 3: in for the time in about i guess it was mark 2020 on the salt springs last time we actually met

[0:10:14] Voice 3: on an island so lots of this zoom technology and and it's it's uh it's nice that we have that

[0:10:22] Voice 3: option but there's nothing like actually meeting in person on the islands if

[0:10:27] Voice 12: you have those people

[0:10:28] Voice 12: coming like this in sanemo or any of those i

[0:10:32] Voice 3: believe there are some some elders from sanemo

[0:10:35] Voice 3: low coming there um

[0:10:36] Voice 3: gabriel seems to have a pretty as far as it goes uh seems to have a pretty

[0:10:43] Voice 3: regular contact and then a decent relationship going going

[0:10:47] Voice 12: on there i think certainly better

[0:10:48] Voice 12: than a lot of than a lot of the islands have yeah um so

[0:10:55] Voice 3: moving on don't think we're going to hear

[0:10:59] Voice 3: from uh very electoral area director brent today um so that takes us right into the first

[0:11:08] Voice 3: town hall and question period so just remember remind everyone um keep it brief i i will deploy

[0:11:17] Voice 3: the timer so once you go back three minutes and pass the wrap up and uh everyone can have it

[0:11:27] Voice 3: and to be respectful speak to speak to the issues not personalities and that uh ideally that we're

[0:11:36] Voice 3: addressing the business of the local trust committee and not things well out of our

[0:11:41] Voice 3: jurisdiction so with that i'm going to look for two hands of people who'd like to

[0:11:46] Voice 3: to ask questions or address a local trust meeting.

[0:11:50] Voice 3: Any hands?

[0:11:51] Voice 3: They're in the back.

[0:11:53] Voice 12: Let's go ahead, sir.

[0:11:54] Voice 12: Sir, I just, we have applications for future

[0:12:01] Voice 12: and I just would like things that the trust deals

[0:12:06] Voice 12: with to be fair.

[0:12:07] Voice 12: And one of the things that stops things from being fair

[0:12:10] Voice 12: is ambiguity in the rules, such as we understand

[0:12:14] Voice 12: that we need to with the subdivision that we're proposing we'll need to donate to the affordable

[0:12:21] Voice 3: housing which i have absolutely no problem with but there's no mention anywhere in the trust

[0:12:27] Voice 3: in the bylaws about how much needs to be donated and if there's any difference

[0:12:34] Voice 12: between how much

[0:12:34] Voice 12: needs to be donated from the amount of the donation to

[0:12:40] Voice 3: the affordable housing comes from

[0:12:41] Voice 3: from when you're increasing, say, from a four to one

[0:12:43] Voice 3: that doesn't allow four penny dwellings

[0:12:46] Voice 3: to, say, in our proposal,

[0:12:48] Voice 3: we wanna have five dwellings in the end,

[0:12:51] Voice 3: and the trust is asked, the staff is asked

[0:12:53] Voice 3: if we need to have seven.

[0:12:56] Voice 3: But I don't know how much needs to be donated,

[0:13:00] Voice 3: and that's nowhere near bylaws,

[0:13:02] Voice 3: so depending on

[0:13:02] Voice 12: the scale of the different subdivisions,

[0:13:05] Voice 12: there's complete ambiguity,

[0:13:07] Voice 12: and that can lead to favoritism and other things

[0:13:10] Voice 12: because it's just not started so i would like things like that to be a little more sold out

[0:13:16] Voice 12: thanks okay thank you for that um i was just going to check in with

[0:13:21] Voice 12: the comment on um yeah we did receive your email this morning and i'll have to have that

[0:13:29] Voice 12: checked with you later on so when we typically are historically with f1 properties they have

[0:13:36] Voice 12: been re-zoned in a number of ways. One is what you're doing which is the 75% which is donated

[0:13:46] Voice 12: and then the 25% of that land is then re-zoned to rural residential and through that process there

[0:13:54] Voice 12: was usually a requirement for a community benefit. In the past for these 75-25 re-zonings

[0:14:04] Voice 12: where it results in a rural residential zone in the past it's been that at least one of the

[0:14:12] Voice 12: rural residential lots should be donated towards affordable housing so that would be either that

[0:14:18] Voice 12: lot would be reserved for affordable housing or the money from the sale of

[0:14:22] Voice 12: that lot would go to

[0:14:23] Voice 12: community housing now another major reason an f1 lot is to um rezone it from f1 to f3

[0:14:32] Voice 12: which would allow one dwelling unit but the majority of that lot would have to be registered

[0:14:38] Voice 12: or a sample forestry covenant would have to be registered and through that um avenue um

[0:14:46] Voice 12: affordable housing has never been a requirement and so we've only been a requirement to 75 25

[0:14:51] Voice 12: option it is up to the ltc to consider that but that's how your application is different from

[0:14:57] Voice 12: from others that perhaps are on the agenda.

[0:14:59] Voice 12: They're going to go from F1 to F3,

[0:15:03] Voice 12: and then your application is doing primarily the 75-25

[0:15:08] Voice 12: from my understanding.

[0:15:09] Voice 12: My point is that it's just not clear

[0:15:12] Voice 12: between how much we need to donate compared to CRD,

[0:15:16] Voice 12: who is basically creating more.

[0:15:19] Voice 12: So it's not clear,

[0:15:21] Voice 12: and I think that lack of clarity is not helpful.

[0:15:27] Voice 12: so i think it would just be good to know how much did we need to donate

[0:15:31] Voice 12: for example um if we had uh then utility or

[0:15:36] Voice 10: whatever we call it ocean front how much

[0:15:42] Voice 10: would we need to donate that or

[0:15:45] Voice 3: do we need to donate all of it and

[0:15:47] Voice 3: does it matter if we create

[0:15:47] Voice 3: 50 lots or just one box and it's always the same it just fell out so i think that's all yeah and

[0:15:53] Voice 12: each application is looked at on its own merits and then the ltc makes that decision so there's no

[0:16:00] Voice 12: template if you would of how much exactly you need to donate it's really up to the ltc to figure out

[0:16:04] Voice 12: if they're satisfied that whatever you're donating or contributing satisfy the requirement for

[0:16:10] Voice 12: community benefits yes um i would just like to say that when we hear these land donations that have

[0:16:20] Voice 12: have to be sent back into rezoning.

[0:16:27] Voice 12: They should be coming back to Penelope First Nation,

[0:16:29] Voice 12: first and foremost.

[0:16:31] Voice 12: And we will be working on it.

[0:16:33] Voice 12: Also, proposed bylaw amendment

[0:16:38] Voice 9: on

[0:16:40] Voice 9: as living in their traditional territory

[0:16:50] Voice 9: of indigenous family lineage.

[0:16:52] Voice 9: I would support this

[0:16:54] Voice 12: in

[0:16:55] Voice 9: the amendment. I think it's very important.

[0:17:01] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:17:02] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:17:04] Voice 9: I

[0:17:05] Voice 12: would like to remind everyone that the 75-25 is not ambiguous. It seems there's actually a bylaw that was originally in play, where 75% was donated to nature protection.

[0:17:20] Voice 12: And then that would be by the, you know, for the sports and the earmark of it for my husband, I think it'd be useful for the LPC to refer back to that file, which is no longer in our minds.

[0:17:31] Voice 12: That is the precedent that you're using. And with how applicants move forward, because you would understand that there was a specific percentage of shoreline that hadn't be given to the 75% line.

[0:17:46] Voice 12: it's not just like pulling out of your hat whatever you feel like there was something there

[0:17:49] Voice 12: we should still be using it if we're going to go by that person thank you for that

[0:17:57] Voice 12: sorry yeah i just gave a listen to that i think the 75 percent is very clear um i was just talking

[0:18:03] Voice 12: about the part that gets taken out of the 75 percent to raise money there's no clarity on

[0:18:09] Voice 12: and it's going to be relevant okay

[0:18:13] Voice 3: yeah and i just say encourage you to you know connect back

[0:18:16] Voice 3: and think about her um because because they're they're definitely i mean there are there are

[0:18:22] Voice 3: advisers but they're also the ones that have got the legislative experience to

[0:18:27] Voice 3: to give you the clearest answer yeah okay and i think it's all had here yet

[0:18:37] Voice 12: Peter Verlaine. Welcome to North MTCs. Good to see everybody at North, it takes quite some time.

[0:18:50] Voice 12: I was going to make a couple of comments. One is the issue of using the word donation

[0:18:54] Voice 12: is actually not fully descriptive of what the land transfer is.

[0:19:02] Voice 12: It's actually an exchange, an exchange, it's an exchange of land for extra density, which

[0:19:13] Voice 12: you would otherwise be entitled to.

[0:19:17] Voice 12: So to use the word, it's not really a donation as such, it's an exchange in return for extra

[0:19:23] Voice 12: density.

[0:19:24] Voice 12: I think people should use that language in some way or other.

[0:19:28] Voice 12: It's more precise.

[0:19:29] Voice 12: I kind

[0:19:31] Voice 8: of agree with Michelle Crocker that the

[0:19:33] Voice 12: issue

[0:19:34] Voice 8: of when land is exchanged

[0:19:36] Voice 12: for higher density, that it's time to consider the benefit of Indigenous people for that recipients of that exchange.

[0:19:47] Voice 12: That would be a good way to proceed.

[0:19:51] Voice 12: I wanted to just raise the objection to a couple of items and minutes.

[0:20:03] Voice 12: Realize it's post-public hearing, I will say nothing about that application.

[0:20:06] Voice 12: However, I will point out that the minutes of the public hearing, the recent public hearing on May the 6th, I believe,

[0:20:16] Voice 12: are not accurate at the end, where it says that there being no submissions, no earlier

[0:20:24] Voice 12: submissions, Chair Peterson closed the public hearing on 343. That is not accurate. That

[0:20:30] Voice 12: is not accurate. There were more submissions. The trustees chose not to hear them. And if

[0:20:37] Voice 12: you're rightly accurate in these minutes, you can certify that's a fair and accurate

[0:20:42] Voice 12: in summary. There were more submissions about the track feed determined that hearing from

[0:20:50] Voice 12: people twice was sufficient to hear their position on the issue, something like that.

[0:20:58] Voice 12: They are just not accurate, should not stand. Another item that I thought was interesting

[0:21:04] Voice 12: in the that stood out for me in the minutes it's the minutes of the uh apc uh where let me see if

[0:21:13] Voice 12: i can find it here um talking about where they were reviewing the various work uh work programs

[0:21:20] Voice 12: and projects and they came to the issue of parking um it was noted that roadside parking and park

[0:21:27] Voice 12: side of the safety issue the body was a higher property spanish phil's dock was mentioned but

[0:21:32] Voice 12: is is limited benefit to galliano it is part of mlg and its expropriated land there would be no

[0:21:38] Voice 12: direct interest here due to the cost now clearly there's nobody on the apc from the north end this

[0:21:46] Voice 12: part of the island because parking at spanish field stock is a serious problem and dealing

[0:21:52] Voice 12: with it would be a serious benefit to the residents of the north end on holiday weekends

[0:21:57] Voice 12: i've come up with 40 cars parked along the road uh very narrow roadway very dangerous and some of

[0:22:03] Voice 12: them actually protrude halfway into the suvs recruiting halfway into a lane so that is a

[0:22:09] Voice 12: serious issue that should not be dismissed the way the agency has gone thanks very much thank you yes

[0:22:16] Voice 12: yeah

[0:22:17] Voice 10: i'll address that a little bit further um you know the way that they are it's already managed

[0:22:21] Voice 10: that facility for quite a number of years and um this was an issue that we had discussed many times

[0:22:29] Voice 10: with not only with small ground carvers but um with the fire departments as well over you know

[0:22:36] Voice 10: the the issue of cars blocking that lane um the problem we ran into is is that um cars are on

[0:22:46] Voice 10: moody right here on the highway and so the modi is the authority and they showed a little desire to

[0:22:53] Voice 10: to address the concerns that we have and you have to be accurate i drove up here the other day and

[0:22:59] Voice 10: there was a large pickup who was blocking the entire lane and you're going this is this is

[0:23:07] Voice 10: great right i mean so it is it is of importance um um some of us at the supplement don't forget

[0:23:16] Voice 10: that that exists right and uh you know uh the problem is unless we have a direct link to lody

[0:23:26] Voice 10: and i could get them to do something um it's very difficult uh one of the things we get at the south

[0:23:31] Voice 10: then when we ran into this problem is as the harvard authority donated money to um modi

[0:23:41] Voice 10: um to do the parking at sturgis bay so that part that was the same issue you know we were running

[0:23:47] Voice 10: into a problem near the ferry and um you know we had approached modi to approach bc ferries

[0:23:57] Voice 10: we approached uh a bunch of different organizations on how to solve this problem and the harbour

[0:24:04] Voice 10: authority at the end of the day donated ten thousand dollars and shamed bc ferries and

[0:24:08] Voice 10: modi into actually um doing that project there so you know i think they have to be creative

[0:24:15] Voice 10: but um but certainly um as far as i'm concerned modi has a responsibility to to make sure that

[0:24:23] Voice 10: the parking up here is not restricting access for the north end residents and you know you know my

[0:24:35] Voice 10: belief is that they should you know there's lots of road frontage and make it parking but you know

[0:24:42] Voice 10: the problem you run into is everybody that parks there they're not here for galliano they're here

[0:24:46] Voice 10: for re-ion and here for the outer ions which don't belong to our cat's face. So it's an interesting

[0:24:55] Voice 10: dynamic and we tried to come up with a creative solution up here but we just couldn't.

[0:25:02] Voice 10: Modi was just not having any part of it so it's not like we didn't try and certainly

[0:25:08] Voice 10: it's not an issue that I forgot about.

[0:25:12] Voice 12: What was the harmful authority that gave you money for the...

[0:25:18] Voice 10: Yeah, so we gave money to the service-based project to bring the other proponents to the table.

[0:25:25] Voice 12: You

[0:25:26] Voice 10: couldn't do that up here?

[0:25:28] Voice 10: Well, we don't manage this facility anymore.

[0:25:31] Voice 10: And so it's hard to get members from the south end to do that.

[0:25:37] Voice 10: We attempted to do it. So the CRD now runs that facility.

[0:25:40] Voice 10: So I think that's a discussion that we should have with Paul Brent.

[0:25:43] Voice 10: I see whether through a grant aid or something like that, we can try to get Morty back to

[0:25:50] Voice 10: the table.

[0:25:51] Voice 10: But we'll certainly have those discussions with him.

[0:25:55] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[0:25:56] Voice 10: And I saw a hand over here.

[0:25:58] Voice 10: Yeah,

[0:25:59] Voice 12: Brad Lockett, 621 New Road.

[0:26:02] Voice 12: This is a question for our trustees.

[0:26:04] Voice 12: A while back, I think it was Lisa asked for, I think there's only been one legal opinion

[0:26:10] Voice 12: that's been asked for.

[0:26:11] Voice 12: And I'm wondering if you guys are going to release that.

[0:26:14] Voice 12: legal opinion because i think it'd be a really good idea for the public to see it

[0:26:19] Voice 12: you know we're going to have discussions you get to see what you lawyers are saying

[0:26:25] Voice 12: it's our tax dollars and we want to give you a really good idea personally

[0:26:30] Voice 3: i'll just i'll just

[0:26:33] Voice 3: let you know that the the standard procedure is that the um the executive committee is uh

[0:26:42] Voice 3: is the person who would author the group that would authorize the release and in general

[0:26:49] Voice 3: it's usually a summary it's generally not the entire full legal opinion which is sort of the

[0:26:56] Voice 3: regular thing now in in the case of galliano probably the way you expediate that we're to

[0:27:02] Voice 3: pass the resolution asking executive committee to do that that would probably make that more

[0:27:09] Voice 3: likely to happen in a more timely fashion that's a great idea okay so yeah and was there anyone

[0:27:15] Voice 3: else that wanted to address the trust

[0:27:17] Voice 12: community at this time around for more enhance yes ask the

[0:27:23] Voice 12: question um i'm not sure how the trust works i just heard brev say that um an opinion and but

[0:27:31] Voice 12: you need permission to get that opinion in our traditional way uh the chief and council are

[0:27:37] Voice 12: taking direction from their people and then there's no um secret status they're supposed

[0:27:44] Voice 12: to take direction from their people it's grassroots driven is that not what the trust did

[0:27:50] Voice 12: just curious doesn't seem

[0:27:52] Voice 12: like it in the past but maybe we're going to get there i

[0:27:55] Voice 3: i can't speak a

[0:27:56] Voice 3: lot about how the executive has worked in the past but it would be my expectation that if a local

[0:28:02] Voice 3: trust committee in this case is asked for a legal opinion um and then and then requests for you know

[0:28:11] Voice 3: some kind of public uh disclosure of that about that i think unless there's a really compelling

[0:28:18] Voice 3: reason to not do that disclosure that that would be pretty much a you know rubber snap through this

[0:28:26] Voice 3: just in terms of the process uh we you know this this committee would ask the executive committee

[0:28:34] Voice 3: to approve the release of that opinion and then as i say unless there was a strong probably legal

[0:28:40] Voice 3: reason um generally that you know as i understand i'm not a lawyer at all but it would be if there

[0:28:48] Voice 3: was something in there that was uh uh perceived to you know harm the organization or harm the

[0:28:55] Voice 3: interest in the organization but if that's not the case and there's no real reason it's just a

[0:29:00] Voice 3: process to get it

[0:29:01] Voice 7: through

[0:29:03] Voice 3: the lawyer law sorry employer uh client privilege but

[0:29:09] Voice 12: is it not the

[0:29:10] Voice 12: people that are paying the taxes that help you all going definitely yeah no i'd say yeah um i couldn't

[0:29:16] Voice 12: agree more um my

[0:29:19] Voice 10: expectation was that we would be able to discuss the legal opinion in front of you

[0:29:24] Voice 10: and and discuss the merits of it so i was surprised that when we got that legal opinion

[0:29:30] Voice 10: that we weren't allowed that it was in camera um so so certainly um would be

[0:29:38] Voice 12: transparency come on

[0:29:39] Voice 10: and

[0:29:40] Voice 3: i think that that when it comes to legal opinions and legal advice and of course that

[0:29:51] Voice 3: I guess we have a couple of lawyers on counts,

[0:29:54] Voice 3: but most of us aren't lawyers.

[0:29:56] Voice 3: So the airing on...

[0:30:00] Voice 3: the side of caution in terms of making sure nothing's made public without it sort of being

[0:30:04] Voice 3: vetted is is sort of the status quo and and so things don't happen nothing happens certainly

[0:30:09] Voice 3: in local government i

[0:30:11] Voice 12: myself personally feel more comfortable sharing any document that involves

[0:30:16] Voice 12: people other than myself to check in with those people before we're going to see it

[0:30:20] Voice 12: yeah

[0:30:21] Voice 3: and certainly any time there's

[0:30:23] Voice 3: any any time there's been a difficult group or an individual

[0:30:26] Voice 3: individual then then those legal ramifications are so

[0:30:30] Voice 12: this is not more than named problems this

[0:30:32] Voice 12: is real relevant so i'm

[0:30:39] Voice 10: a little confused then on that and he said that we know what the legal

[0:30:42] Voice 10: thing is about yes

[0:30:43] Voice 12: so it involves more than just your mind

[0:30:51] Voice 12: so

[0:30:52] Voice 3: yeah i think procedurally um and this is you know so i've

[0:30:56] Voice 3: certainly entertain a motion uh under new business recovery like that when we get there um

[0:31:02] Voice 12: you know to request a public release or public summary of that it's certainly in order and i

[0:31:08] Voice 12: believe procedurally that would be the detective committee that yeah i would be worried if uh

[0:31:13] Voice 12: administratively if somebody in my department was just releasing internal documents i think that's

[0:31:19] Voice 12: an issue so i mean if you think we should i don't have a opinion either way we should give it to you

[0:31:26] Voice 12: or not i just don't know the process how to do it i think

[0:31:30] Voice 3: we i think we need to ask the executive

[0:31:31] Voice 3: committee yeah

[0:31:33] Voice 12: and

[0:31:34] Voice 3: then they'll you know and then they'll get the legal advice if there's parts that

[0:31:38] Voice 3: need to be redacted yeah

[0:31:39] Voice 12: thank you that's that's the way that was my

[0:31:41] Voice 12: understanding of it that's a

[0:31:42] Voice 12: completely yeah so anyone else that wants to ask the question or just the committee

[0:31:58] Voice 3: yes but technically the way as as again i'm not a lawyer but i understand that the

[0:32:03] Voice 3: that they though the taxpayer pays the bill the client is not the taxpayer the type of taxpayer

[0:32:10] Voice 3: the client is the organization in this case that's that's

[0:32:15] Voice 12: i i don't want to get into a big

[0:32:18] Voice 12: bill example that i

[0:32:19] Voice 3: don't disagree with you but as i understand the technicalities again

[0:32:25] Voice 3: it's not my specialty but that's that's the way i understand

[0:32:28] Voice 7: um

[0:32:29] Voice 3: so if there's no more questions

[0:32:31] Voice 3: and we'll move along in the agenda and so we have a number of minutes but let's just go through them

[0:32:38] Voice 3: one at a time here uh we've got the uh

[0:32:41] Voice 12: regular minutes from april 11th anything on any of those

[0:32:47] Voice 12: minutes okay

[0:32:49] Voice 3: and i will just note uh that although i have been corrected about my um acknowledgement

[0:32:56] Voice 3: um i will make a correction to a number of these minutes because uh what i was taught um

[0:33:03] Voice 3: was that the use of the term traditional territory is is not the proper way and respectful way

[0:33:13] Voice 3: because it is the territory of these people and that by saying traditional it can be construed

[0:33:22] Voice 3: as that that was in the past and it is not today so I'm just going to ask for our minute taker to

[0:33:28] Voice 3: remove traditional because I'm pretty sure I never say that ever since I was taught not to say that

[0:33:34] Voice 3: I just

[0:33:35] Voice 12: say

[0:33:36] Voice 3: traditional I don't say traditional territory I say territory so that that goes for

[0:33:41] Voice 3: every every time in these minutes where it says that so that would be my own thing for the april

[0:33:46] Voice 3: 11th uh the next are the special meeting minutes of may 6th are we going to approve

[0:33:52] Voice 3: is that right we'll uh thank you we'll tell you they can take it by general

[0:34:00] Voice 3: exactly approve those as amended and the next is the special meeting minutes of may 6th

[0:34:08] Voice 3: and sometimes

[0:34:15] Voice 12: navigating these things it can be irritating uh right so that's on page 14

[0:34:20] Voice 12: and

[0:34:31] Voice 9: anything there no either of

[0:34:34] Voice 3: you so again i would strike uh traditional

[0:34:36] Voice 3: from the call to order section just say territory um and then so i pick it by general consent that

[0:34:46] Voice 3: the minutes of the may 6th special meeting be adopted as amended and then on page 17

[0:34:57] Voice 12: we've got

[0:34:58] Voice 12: the record of the public hearing anything from trustees on that um

[0:35:05] Voice 9: i would i actually do think

[0:35:13] Voice 9: that

[0:35:13] Voice 12: um the point was made by the member of public um perhaps

[0:35:21] Voice 3: it should be uh like i could

[0:35:24] Voice 3: take staff advice on this but perhaps that should be uh be no further new submissions

[0:35:33] Voice 12: so if we add new in after further then i think it's more accurate

[0:35:38] Voice 12: and then connected by general consent we'll adopt those minutes of may 6th as amended and

[0:35:48] Voice 3: then

[0:35:52] Voice 9: special meeting minutes of may 9th anything

[0:36:00] Voice 12: there from you again i would

[0:36:02] Voice 12: ask that tradition will be struck from the call for their section and then

[0:36:11] Voice 3: by general consent those minutes be adopted as amended which brings us on to

[0:36:20] Voice 3: resolutions without meeting report

[0:36:22] Voice 12: we have none and then on page 24 we have the advisory

[0:36:28] Voice 12: planning commission minutes in april 20th for a receipt and page 29 we have a follow-up action

[0:36:39] Voice 12: list of june anything from staff on this yes um the the first item

[0:36:49] Voice 8: on page

[0:36:50] Voice 12: 29 in the agenda

[0:36:51] Voice 12: that look into extra speakers for LTC speakers the physical speakers for the LTC meetings we

[0:36:57] Voice 12: did ask about that and we were told by IT that they could not add any more speakers to this

[0:37:04] Voice 12: system but I will keep pressing the issue if we continue to have issues with community members

[0:37:12] Voice 12: hearing from those speakers that we have right now. The other item I want to mention

[0:37:24] Voice 12: is regarding it's on the same page 29 this is point number four it says staff to request apc

[0:37:31] Voice 12: to investigate citing and use options in relation to galileo island i just want to make sure that

[0:37:37] Voice 12: the ltc still wants that to happen from my understanding main ltc is having further

[0:37:45] Voice 12: discussions with the crd so they're having those discussions um so i'm not sure if it's

[0:37:51] Voice 12: If you still want to engage the agency on this or perhaps strike that off and wait to see what's being on what LTC comes up with.

[0:38:02] Voice 3: We can also get back to the stuff on this.

[0:38:05] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:38:06] Voice 12: Leave

[0:38:06] Voice 3: it on the list.

[0:38:09] Voice 3: And then I would just say for item one, perhaps IT could check in with me on the ski.

[0:38:16] Voice 3: what we did for the extra speaker and microphone is we did i believe what i heard from from the

[0:38:23] Voice 3: tech staff is that integrating it with the system was a problem what we did on the ski is we just

[0:38:28] Voice 3: have a separate speaker and a separate microphone that are not integrated with this so they're just

[0:38:34] Voice 3: in the room so it helps people hear uh help people be heard it didn't mess with it with the tech

[0:38:41] Voice 3: because it's not trying to integrate it with this this other system okay so that

[0:38:45] Voice 3: might be that might

[0:38:47] Voice 3: be the way to go about it and i i believe it's well you can get some fairly small systems looking

[0:38:52] Voice 3: like a speaker and a microphone and maybe that could be something that that low adjust committee

[0:38:58] Voice 3: just funds and

[0:39:01] Voice 12: then stays here on gallium i think that might be the way it's going i will send an

[0:39:06] Voice 12: email the mark yeah and he can chat me with me and i can tell them all for you to know

[0:39:11] Voice 12: then i'm here on page 31 um this is regards to pistol mountain and the groundwater groundwater

[0:39:21] Voice 12: sustainability project the ltc asked for further consultation with the canal

[0:39:37] Voice 12: and that we will fully schedule for july and i'm happy also to reach out to michelle to help

[0:39:44] Voice 12: coordinate that as well if you're going to what you can say that you can't just talk with an

[0:39:51] Voice 12: elephant member you have to talk to the chief and council and i made them very clearly aware

[0:39:57] Voice 12: where I was here today to speak on the accomplishment.

[0:40:02] Voice 12: So, Trustee, is there any further on any of these items?

[0:40:06] Voice 7: No.

[0:40:07] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:40:08] Voice 12: So

[0:40:09] Voice 3: then we will move on to follow-up action.

[0:40:13] Voice 3: No, we just did that.

[0:40:16] Voice 3: So then we're on to delegations.

[0:40:18] Voice 3: So we have a delegation from the Wise Island Community Association.

[0:40:21] Voice 12: association and

[0:40:22] Voice 9: yeah and is that you don't each and um please proceed thank you very much uh my

[0:40:43] Voice 11: name is Duncan Reed uh as uh chair said uh I am here on behalf of the Wise Island Community

[0:40:51] Voice 11: Association and uh which I am currently the chair but I want to point out that there are a large

[0:40:59] Voice 11: number of neighbors and friends from from wise out here uh all around the room uh and so it's

[0:41:05] Voice 11: really great to see everyone uh in the room here today um i just want to clarify in advance that

[0:41:12] Voice 11: this is uh this is something we do and i do here today uh on behalf of the community association

[0:41:18] Voice 11: i think that's really important because uh this is not uh something where i have a personal uh

[0:41:23] Voice 11: uh issue before uh before the trust or anything like that this is something that is coming from

[0:41:29] Voice 11: the community uh it's uh we'll get into this a little bit in the statement but it's very

[0:41:33] Voice 11: important for the community I'm absolutely persuaded that this is the right path forwards

[0:41:37] Voice 11: for the community and so that's what we're here uh to talk about today

[0:41:42] Voice 8: uh

[0:41:43] Voice 11: thank you very much for

[0:41:44] Voice 11: taking the time in advance really appreciate that and I also want to thank you for the reminder that

[0:41:49] Voice 11: run canal territory that was very moving and as someone who's read some of the 19th century

[0:41:56] Voice 11: history of penelope well in relationship it's a good reminder of how important that is um the

[0:42:02] Voice 11: format as i understand this from the chair is this is a five minute uh slot with a bit of a fixed

[0:42:08] Voice 11: window where you provide a prepared statement uh which is why this is gonna be a little bit

[0:42:13] Voice 11: i wouldn't but i want to you know i want to present what we provided in accordance with the

[0:42:18] Voice 11: the requirements of the of the delegation and i'm hoping that if there is any

[0:42:22] Voice 11: time left over

[0:42:23] Voice 11: that if any of my colleagues and friends and neighbors suddenly promised that they might

[0:42:27] Voice 11: have a chance to add in those as well the statement was prepared in the course of a

[0:42:31] Voice 11: quick afternoon in order to hit your delegation timeline requirement so the wise island community

[0:42:37] Voice 11: community association represents all 48 Wise Island property owners.

[0:42:42] Voice 11: Wise Island is boat access only, relies on solar power for energy generation, and

[0:42:47] Voice 11: relies on direct ocean access for each property for

[0:42:51] Voice 11: our community for volunteer fire response and for emergency situations.

[0:42:56] Voice 11: What does that mean in practice?

[0:42:57] Voice 11: That means that most properties are accessed from the water with stairs and

[0:43:02] Voice 11: walkways to get to the cabins from the shoreline.

[0:43:04] Voice 11: that means most properties depend primarily upon solar power for lighting and electrical

[0:43:09] Voice 11: devices because the only alternatives are running a generator or a wind turbine

[0:43:13] Voice 11: that means when there's a fire unwise which has happened on a few very memorable occasions in

[0:43:21] Voice 11: the last 30 years the community's fire pumps need to be immediately brought to the property

[0:43:25] Voice 11: physically taken down to the water and put out the fire and that's happened successfully twice

[0:43:34] Voice 11: That's been successful on each occasion, as I said, and all White Islanders trained and

[0:43:39] Voice 11: reminded every year after our AGM on how to continue to protect the island with our fire

[0:43:46] Voice 11: protection equipment.

[0:43:47] Voice 11: That means when there's a health emergency, as has also happened on a number of occasions,

[0:43:52] Voice 11: and is particularly an issue with aging owners, that emergency services or other owners need

[0:43:57] Voice 11: to be able to get the individual to the water and on the boat to Ganges.

[0:44:05] Voice 11: Altogether this means that Wise Island faces a set of health, safety and sustainability factors

[0:44:10] Voice 11: that are unique to a small off-grid boat access site. The direct and unprecedented application

[0:44:16] Voice 11: of Galleon's bylaw 127 to Wise Island by enforcement in recent years has created a

[0:44:22] Voice 11: number of critical issues that need urgent attention particularly when it comes to solar

[0:44:26] Voice 11: power and water access we believe after a year a year and a half of discussions now

[0:44:33] Voice 11: that we have a path forwards on this a proposed wise island small residential zone that would

[0:44:39] Voice 11: slot right into galliano's bylaw 127 after a number

[0:44:43] Voice 11: of further community meetings and consultations

[0:44:45] Voice 11: in recent months we've developed that proposed document for your consideration we've sent it to

[0:44:50] Voice 11: you and to the planners we have some additional copies here today and we're happy to engage on

[0:44:56] Voice 11: that this path forward has the support of our community the most recent annual general meeting

[0:45:01] Voice 11: of the community association two unanimous resolutions were approved by the members

[0:45:05] Voice 11: and it was a pact yeah if there were any one of our neighbors here today who hosted and we

[0:45:14] Voice 11: clearly were running out of room for all the owners who were there and we had two unanimous

[0:45:19] Voice 11: resolutions that were approved confirming support for our neighbors for dealing with issues arising

[0:45:24] Voice 11: rising for bylaw 127, and second, that we needed to take proactive steps to resolve the mismatch

[0:45:31] Voice 11: between Galliano zoning and a boat access off-grid island with small lot sizes. We have those minutes

[0:45:37] Voice 11: and those resolutions here with us today, but what was really noteworthy again was the unanimous

[0:45:41] Voice 11: support. Wise Islanders, in their united interview with the Galliano SLR, does not work in its current

[0:45:47] Voice 11: form when Islanders are being told that the items essential to the safety and use of their properties

[0:45:52] Voice 11: are not permitted under the Galeano bylaw, which was, of course, drafted to suit the needs of a very different island.

[0:45:59] Voice 11: After that AGM, we engaged in dialogue with your predecessors, the predecessor LTC,

[0:46:04] Voice 11: and it's very nice to see former trustees, one of whom we'll talk about here today,

[0:46:10] Voice 11: as well as former Chair Rogers, who spoke to a number of lives.

[0:46:15] Voice 11: A large delegation of Wise Islanders attended the LTC meeting on September 6th

[0:46:20] Voice 11: to present the issues and to highlight the need for resolution.

[0:46:23] Voice 11: Those discussions were very helpful to all parties, we thought, and at that meeting, the trustees added Wise Island to the Galliano LTC project.

[0:46:33] Voice 11: So let's talk about the proposal, just in brief, but let's touch on it and what the Wise Island Small Lot Residential Zone could look like.

[0:46:40] Voice 11: That proposal would effectively be added to Galliano By-law 127 as a substitute for Section 5.3, which is currently the Galliano Small Lot Residential Zone.

[0:46:51] Voice 11: to develop the proposal we started with section 5.3 and then drew upon the key elements of the

[0:46:57] Voice 11: zoning adjustments made for passage island in house sound a few years ago in light of

[0:47:02] Voice 11: challenges similar to those faced by wise island we were fortunate to have one of our one of our

[0:47:08] Voice 11: neighbors who had been through his family involved in some of that and that was a a great help to us

[0:47:14] Voice 11: in terms of having a leg up on moving forward so those provisions that we drew from uh are set out

[0:47:20] Voice 11: again years ago here by law 114. we kept the proposal very simple and it's one page long

[0:47:26] Voice 11: to try to cut through the perceived complexity on this issue and to generate a conversation

[0:47:30] Voice 11: the wise island slr permits some solar power stairs and walkways within the key front setback

[0:47:36] Voice 11: areas from a wise island perspective this proposal is a starting point and not necessarily an end

[0:47:43] Voice 11: point we're happy to talk through the rationale the detailed elements and the proposal of staff

[0:47:49] Voice 11: at any time we think it's very important that this is what we're asking for today is for you

[0:47:55] Voice 11: to give us the opportunity to work forward on this this will come back to you as a group to approve

[0:48:00] Voice 11: or not approve but we'd like to be able to move forward and to at least have the opportunity to

[0:48:05] Voice 11: put something before you that you would then have the opportunity to approve or not improve

[0:48:10] Voice 11: we do strongly believe that there's a practice forward here uh to find a way that will address

[0:48:16] Voice 11: the needs of the community so we would ask you today to approve motions to take two actions

[0:48:20] Voice 11: uh firstly you'll take the wide island zoning project from the project list and resolve to put

[0:48:25] Voice 11: it next up on your current two projects around crystal mountain and the groundwater matters

[0:48:31] Voice 11: have been completed we understand based on our conversations and my conversations most recently

[0:48:35] Voice 11: with the chair the importance of those projects and recognize the resource challenges that limit

[0:48:41] Voice 11: limit your ability to tackle more than two issues at a time,

[0:48:44] Voice 11: but we do believe that there is an urgent need here

[0:48:48] Voice 11: and there's momentum to sort this issue out.

[0:48:50] Voice 11: Second, we would urge you to consider

[0:48:52] Voice 11: the staff's previous recommendation,

[0:48:54] Voice 11: which we thought was absolutely right,

[0:48:56] Voice 11: to suspend enforcement while this project awaits its turn

[0:48:59] Voice 11: in your list.

[0:49:00] Voice 11: An interim suspension to allow this proposal

[0:49:02] Voice 11: to be reviewed and considered fully in due course

[0:49:06] Voice 11: and to come back for final approval at the LTC here

[0:49:10] Voice 11: would make the most sense for Wise Islanders

[0:49:12] Voice 11: and would also, I think really crucially,

[0:49:14] Voice 11: allow the LTC to manage your workload

[0:49:17] Voice 11: and the resources for your staff.

[0:49:20] Voice 11: So again, this is not final.

[0:49:21] Voice 11: You'll have a chance to revisit this

[0:49:23] Voice 11: and to look at this again,

[0:49:25] Voice 11: but we ask for the chance to move forward

[0:49:26] Voice 11: and to have the space and the time to do that

[0:49:30] Voice 11: in a way that's most workable for Wise Islanders

[0:49:33] Voice 11: and also for you and your staff.

[0:49:36] Voice 11: Thanks for your time.

[0:49:38] Voice 8: I'm happy

[0:49:40] Voice 12: to take any questions.

[0:49:42] Voice 12: Great. Thank you. Any questions?

[0:49:45] Voice 12: For myself, personally, I

[0:49:48] Voice 10: support moving forward with the Wise Island solution.

[0:49:56] Voice 10: I'm interested to

[0:49:57] Voice 10: hear what Claude has said, but I support moving it up into our work program at number three.

[0:50:05] Voice 10: And obviously, I made a motion to suspend bylaw, of course, until we've got this resolved.

[0:50:11] Voice 10: all i don't think it's fair to wise on that um there's enforcement on something that i don't

[0:50:17] Voice 10: believe we've offered a solution for and so um so i certainly support this but i would be interested

[0:50:24] Voice 10: to hear if you can learn that on the sort of complexities of fitting this in from staff's

[0:50:30] Voice 10: point chair

[0:50:32] Voice 12: um so the ltc ltc has an option and the property owners of wise island

[0:50:43] Voice 12: currently the ltc can only have one minor project and right now that is the groundwater project

[0:50:52] Voice 12: um it could potentially be moving forward in the next couple of months which then would open up a

[0:50:59] Voice 12: the project later this fall uh the else what i would recommend to the ltc is not just looking at

[0:51:05] Voice 12: uh amending bottle 127 in the south by wise island but doing perhaps tweaks for all of

[0:51:12] Voice 12: bile we're going through all the bottle 127 for technical amendments um now this could take at

[0:51:19] Voice 12: least up to a year to complete so it would take some time and there's no guarantee or the ltc may

[0:51:26] Voice 12: find that you may want to work on other projects other than the by-law review. But that is

[0:51:33] Voice 12: one option the LDC could consider as an end-use by-law review later this fall after the groundwater

[0:51:39] Voice 12: project is done. And then we can look at amending the by-law to address the concerns that Mr.

[0:51:46] Voice 12: we uh mentioned today and also perhaps address other technical technical amendments for others

[0:51:59] Voice 12: um the property owners do you have an option to also come forward with something application

[0:52:07] Voice 12: what you could do is put forward um amendments to the landing file but you would take on that

[0:52:13] Voice 12: process. It would be considered a minor rezoning application, so that would be elect for the two

[0:52:21] Voice 12: fees. And then this option would move a little bit quicker because you could apply for this

[0:52:28] Voice 12: rezoning application over the summer and then you can move on. And then you could be addressing just

[0:52:33] Voice 12: the changes you would like for one silence. And then you wouldn't be waiting for the LTC to take

[0:52:38] Voice 12: on that project so that is an option as well but then the applicant or the those who are coming

[0:52:43] Voice 12: forward would have to bear the cost of the application fee pardon me

[0:52:47] Voice 11: what are the advantages

[0:52:48] Voice 11: of doing it that way if i can ask instead of having the ltc approve it as a subsequent project

[0:52:53] Voice 11: yeah

[0:52:53] Voice 12: the advantage is it didn't move along less after than the projects um you could start with

[0:52:59] Voice 12: the zoning application potentially if you get your application in asap we could bring forward

[0:53:04] Voice 12: a preliminary staff report for september and it could move along much quicker if it becomes a

[0:53:09] Voice 12: project um it certainly could take longer it's not only with the ltc addressing concerns of

[0:53:15] Voice 12: my side of the property owners but property owners as a whole and other property owners

[0:53:20] Voice 12: of a smaller element where if you're rezoning

[0:53:22] Voice 12: application would just directly

[0:53:24] Voice 12: would it be for all 40 properties so there would have to be 48 rezoning applications

[0:53:34] Voice 12: no it shouldn't be one it shouldn't be one

[0:53:37] Voice 12: yeah exactly yep i

[0:53:41] Voice 11: am somewhat concerned about

[0:53:43] Voice 11: getting into a situation where there are other islands and other technical amendments and they

[0:53:48] Voice 11: may be in a very different place and some of them may be similar in some ways parker for example

[0:53:53] Voice 11: is adjacent to weiser island and there's also boat access only but the lot sizes are much much

[0:53:59] Voice 11: talk different and the vote access is different um so i think you would then get into a long line

[0:54:06] Voice 11: of considerations as to how they're the same and how different it has to mix in with other

[0:54:10] Voice 11: techniques and so whichever suits the trustees and the staff i think we're happy to pursue but

[0:54:19] Voice 11: i think we'd want to wise island whether it's initiated by you or by us uh we want to keep

[0:54:26] Voice 11: it sort of on a standalone basis because it would be simple for the event yeah another question

[0:54:32] Voice 10: actually um that was going to be my next comment so if we were going to do violent 27 um we would

[0:54:39] Voice 10: we would it would be a

[0:54:40] Voice 1: much longer project

[0:54:41] Voice 10: because of where there are other issues that we would be

[0:54:44] Voice 10: looking at there and be looking at as well so just you know so you know right um so i think um you

[0:54:55] Voice 10: know hear from lisa but uh you have a couple options there and um you

[0:55:01] Voice 12: know sort of serve in

[0:55:02] Voice 12: your court from my point of view yeah we just received the minutes from abc2 about the project

[0:55:08] Voice 12: list any time to consider that i don't have any questions right now but i certainly would like to

[0:55:14] Voice 12: say this before but why don't we discuss some of our options together thank you and

[0:55:20] Voice 10: the one thing

[0:55:21] Voice 10: i see is the rezoning application allows us as trustees to have a um a better dialogue with wise

[0:55:31] Voice 10: island instead of including all the other

[0:55:37] Voice 11: islands right and just the technical question the rezoning

[0:55:42] Voice 11: application format works even though the zone that we would be rezoning into doesn't currently exist

[0:55:47] Voice 11: potentially

[0:55:48] Voice 12: yeah i mean it would be really up to the ltc how they would like that bylaw

[0:55:53] Voice 12: to look like but you can get your comments staff can work with you to come up to some type of um

[0:56:01] Voice 12: satisfying why violent and also satisfied requirements of the ltc and our legislative

[0:56:05] Voice 12: requirements one

[0:56:07] Voice 10: last question for me is it

[0:56:11] Voice 11: even conceivable to postpone the enforcement until we

[0:56:14] Voice 11: get this rolling again is that possible to bring them back up until we are because it's obviously

[0:56:20] Voice 11: not 100 clear on how we're

[0:56:22] Voice 12: going to do this but to give us a little breathing room to execute

[0:56:26] Voice 12: this is that considerable to do i don't care to do that today why not here's a question okay let's

[0:56:43] Voice 12: uh so for staff um enforcement automatically be suspended because we're in the process of a

[0:56:51] Voice 12: solution no i believe there's a would have to check right away i would have to check

[0:56:56] Voice 12: the standing resolutions that some ltcs state that even though an application is made enforcement

[0:57:03] Voice 12: would continue unless that it would meet certain criteria.

[0:57:07] Voice 12: I would have to make sure that that's done.

[0:57:10] Voice 12: And I also, I believe Warren Daveman is assuming it as well.

[0:57:15] Voice 12: So if you have any bylaw enforcement questions,

[0:57:17] Voice 12: he may be able to ask that,

[0:57:18] Voice 12: but I will check and send resolutions this evening.

[0:57:21] Voice 3: Yeah, I actually was looking through the agenda

[0:57:24] Voice 3: and there are some standing resolutions that are relevant.

[0:57:28] Voice 3: antenna i can't say exactly how they did that but uh i see uh uh the staff of worker demon is online

[0:57:38] Voice 3: any any questions about that or do you have a comment at all work

[0:57:43] Voice 12: i would just like to interject

[0:57:45] Voice 12: that where this is a delegation that's not an agenda item yes you're right i

[0:57:49] Voice 12: think we shouldn't

[0:57:50] Voice 12: get too off the top here to make decisions right now yeah i

[0:57:54] Voice 12: think it's

[0:58:00] Voice 11: been clearly developing over

[0:58:06] Voice 11: some time i think we've we've had uh six or seven letters and back of course in innumerable

[0:58:11] Voice 11: conversations at this point but i think the uh the concern that that i have i like i like this

[0:58:17] Voice 11: approach and i appreciate the creativity of a new solution even after uh some some uh significant

[0:58:23] Voice 11: months uh working on this that my concern going back to west islanders and talking to all the

[0:58:28] Voice 11: people in the room which is that if people did invest the time and the effort in that and turn

[0:58:34] Voice 11: this into an application for rezoning to then come back in the fall and then to be told no for some

[0:58:40] Voice 11: some different reasons, would feel like a lot of good faith work went ahead without justification, without reason, without a plan.

[0:58:50] Voice 11: And so I guess I'd be asking if we wanted to pursue that course, if that's the most efficient thing for the trustees

[0:58:57] Voice 11: and you think the best thing for the community, I think we'd be happy to pursue that.

[0:59:02] Voice 11: But I think we'd want to know if there's some sense that you'd be supportive on the right conditions

[0:59:07] Voice 11: if that came back with that approach

[0:59:10] Voice 11: and to us going forward with that.

[0:59:12] Voice 3: Okay, well, I appreciate that.

[0:59:14] Voice 3: And I also appreciate what Trustee Gavreau said

[0:59:16] Voice 3: and that we don't have the benefit

[0:59:19] Voice 3: as a local trust committee of any staff analysis on this,

[0:59:23] Voice 3: you know, the options

[0:59:24] Voice 3: and we certainly can't give you any assurances today

[0:59:27] Voice 3: on how that might go.

[0:59:29] Voice 3: So I think this is,

[0:59:31] Voice 3: maybe we can address this further in our next meeting.

[0:59:35] Voice 3: but i agree that uh we received your delegation

[0:59:38] Voice 11: and we've had some questions and well look we

[0:59:42] Voice 11: we were suggested this time to come in this format yeah um and so that's what we've done

[0:59:47] Voice 11: we've come before in different formats and we'll you know dare say keep coming back into

[0:59:52] Voice 11: print formats and so we just want to find the right solution to actually get through the substance

[0:59:56] Voice 11: And so I understand there's a time limit here, but I...

[1:00:00] Voice 11: we want to make sure that we're actually moving forward so that we're not disenfranchising a lot

[1:00:04] Voice 11: of people who are trying to work together to get a better solution

[1:00:06] Voice 7: and

[1:00:08] Voice 11: and it

[1:00:09] Voice 3: sounds like what uh

[1:00:10] Voice 3: a planner uh stockwell was saying is sort of new information for you yeah so i mean

[1:00:17] Voice 3: you probably want to digest that as well so i'm just going to move the agenda along

[1:00:22] Voice 3: um at this point then and then we'll go to the the next item and uh i'm sure we'll hear from you

[1:00:30] Voice 3: again and perhaps we'll even uh uh ask sap or something else and start some more information

[1:00:35] Voice 3: for the

[1:00:35] Voice 12: local trust committee for our next week uh now you said there was a couple pieces of

[1:00:40] Voice 12: correspondence sent out this morning

[1:00:42] Voice 8: yes um there

[1:00:43] Voice 12: was one um by maria and fermina didn't think hard

[1:00:50] Voice 12: sorry if I didn't pronounce that correctly, regarding by-law 283 with regard to the groundwater sustainability project.

[1:00:58] Voice 12: She had written, I believe, a number of times asking about reconsideration of a certain subject property,

[1:01:05] Voice 12: other than including that

[1:01:06] Voice 12: within the development permit area.

[1:01:10] Voice 12: So what we need to do is staff will be reporting back later on in this project after there has been a discussion of the

[1:01:19] Voice 12: penalty kit so staff can also include comments regarding or options for the ltc to consider

[1:01:26] Voice 12: if the ltc would like to add that parcel or parcels into the dpa and that's any other

[1:01:35] Voice 12: um correspondence i apologize for the fact of the email right now but i believe it was from

[1:01:42] Voice 12: from Allison. The last thing is, escape me, and it was in concerns to why silence should

[1:01:50] Voice 12: be a sentent and an email letter.

[1:01:53] Voice 10: Yeah, we have two residents who have since last year had a cry

[1:02:07] Voice 9: in

[1:02:09] Voice 11: relation to their own

[1:02:13] Voice 11: personal disputes yeah

[1:02:16] Voice 12: okay i just uh accept that for response for now i'll have to we'll have a

[1:02:21] Voice 12: chance to look at it technical

[1:02:23] Voice 3: situation here today i don't want to try and mess with their

[1:02:27] Voice 3: family anymore yeah okay so that's uh that brings us on to the individual applications and referrals

[1:02:34] Voice 3: on page 35 it's a referral

[1:02:36] Voice 12: from the salzburg island local trust committee uh for both by 30

[1:02:41] Voice 12: by a 30 and is that uh is that you can bring me answers yeah i can

[1:02:49] Voice 12: do it okay so this is a

[1:02:51] Voice 12: quote by law from the salt spring i'm a local trust uh community um it was originally brought

[1:02:57] Voice 12: forward to be galliano ltc to consider it back in november of 2021 and this bylaw is proposed

[1:03:05] Voice 12: set three units, also known as ADUs, to be a permitted use in most of the residential

[1:03:12] Voice 12: zones with certain conditions. Although earlier

[1:03:15] Voice 12: this year, the LTC actually rescinded the

[1:03:19] Voice 12: second reading of the bylaw and made further amendments, and now bylaw 530 contains further

[1:03:29] Voice 12: development standards. Those are limits to building size and height, distance between buildings and interior and lot line setbacks, and also driveway restrictions to reduce impermeable surfaces, and those were those were amendments that were made to the

[1:03:46] Voice 12: um so the ltc has a number of options to consider this is on page 37 of the agenda

[1:03:56] Voice 12: and there's four options um and a resolution would be a required piece

[1:04:02] Voice 12: hey trustees any questions comments

[1:04:05] Voice 9: uh no i don't think your interests are affected it is very

[1:04:12] Voice 9: very interesting, but

[1:04:15] Voice 12: they do not run Salisbury, so yeah, I don't have an approach.

[1:04:20] Voice 10: Yeah, from my point of view, I look forward to seeing how this plays out. Just one thing

[1:04:26] Voice 10: I'd like on the referrals, they should include the Coastal

[1:04:30] Voice 9: English People of Saltprint Island

[1:04:32] Voice 9: as a referral.

[1:04:33] Voice 9: Okay, so that I believe we're looking

[1:04:42] Voice 12: for a resolution.

[1:04:45] Voice 12: We'll open one of the options here.

[1:04:49] Voice 12: Sounds

[1:04:50] Voice 10: like interests affected is that correct?

[1:04:58] Voice 10: Yeah, so would it be interests affected by bylaw and then the amendment of a referral?

[1:05:06] Voice 10: So

[1:05:09] Voice 12: is the LTC's suggestion that we would like to encourage Salt Spring LTC to make that referral to the Coast Salish People of Salt Spring?

[1:05:18] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:05:20] Voice 12: So what you'd be suggesting is approval not recommended due to reasons outlined below.

[1:05:27] Voice 12: Your reason would be that you recommend state referral.

[1:05:30] Voice 12: around or with the ltd yes recommended subject to conditions that's

[1:05:38] Voice 10: maybe yeah i think i think

[1:05:40] Voice 10: approval recommended something to the conditions below so the motion would be i would make a motion

[1:05:44] Voice 10: that we um approve grant approval recommended something to the condition of consultation with

[1:05:53] Voice 12: the coast salish peoples of salisbury island okay and i'll just check in and see if our minute taker

[1:05:58] Voice 12: got that did you did you get that motion yes

[1:06:04] Voice 9: i did okay

[1:06:05] Voice 12: great so so moved and do you have a second

[1:06:08] Voice 12: uh any further discussion on the motion okay about a question all in favor

[1:06:15] Voice 9: okay that motion is carried and so this brings us to section

[1:06:26] Voice 12: 4.2

[1:06:30] Voice 12: which is GLALR 2023-1 couples of staff report on page 38 and I

[1:06:42] Voice 3: believe that's

[1:06:44] Voice 3: Planner Caproff taking that and I see Planner Caproff online hello hi

[1:06:49] Voice 1: good afternoon chair

[1:06:51] Voice 1: and trustees as mentioned the application before you is GLALR 2023.1 so the purpose of this

[1:07:00] Voice 1: application is for the Galliano LTC to consider a boundary adjustment subdivision in the ALR.

[1:07:05] Voice 1: The adjacent properties are 771 Georgetown Bay Road and 1153 Georgetown Bay Road and they're

[1:07:12] Voice 1: both owned by the applicant who is also online. If approved the boundary adjustment would increase

[1:07:18] Voice 1: 771 Georgetown Bay Road from 1.81 hectares to 2.64 hectares and the adjustment would largely

[1:07:26] Voice 1: which we follow along the existing fence lines, which are shown as attachment two.

[1:07:31] Voice 1: The property owner submitted the application for subdivision in the ALR in order to expand

[1:07:36] Voice 1: production of garlic and cut flowers on the lot. The adjacent properties are within the

[1:07:42] Voice 1: Agricultural Land Reserve and require approval to subdivide from the LTC and from the Agricultural

[1:07:48] Voice 1: Land Commission as per the Agricultural Land Commission Act. And the recommendation on page

[1:07:54] Voice 1: H1 for the Galliano Island Local Trust Community to support the application and request staff to

[1:08:00] Voice 1: forward the application to the ALC for further consideration is supported as the application

[1:08:05] Voice 1: is minor in nature and the proposed boundary adjustment is intended to increase the overall

[1:08:09] Voice 1: agricultural production, which is supported by the OCP and permitted by the land use bylaw.

[1:08:16] Voice 1: Zoning regulations permit the proposed boundary adjustment and no additional infrastructure,

[1:08:21] Voice 1: structure, including roads or buildings, are required as part of the application, and the

[1:08:27] Voice 1: applicant and her representative are available should you have any questions, and thanks.

[1:08:33] Voice 3: Okay, thank you for that, Planner Cat. Before we hear from the applicant's

[1:08:38] Voice 3: representative, is there any questions for the planner?

[1:08:43] Voice 10: Okay. Yeah, so I have one. So I visited the site. I talked with the representative here today and visited the site. So I have one concern here on this, even though I recognize it's a lot of line adjustment.

[1:09:00] Voice 10: When I viewed the property, the line that's closest to the barn is fairly close to a bank.

[1:09:17] Voice 10: What I saw when I went there is it would be nice to have a corridor, so if the barn needed

[1:09:26] Voice 10: to be evacuated there would be an area on the side of the moon shadows where that they could use

[1:09:33] Voice 10: and the way the lines are drawn up now um that wouldn't be possible so that was a concern of

[1:09:38] Voice 10: mine i just looked at it and um i thought you know this is what makes sense to me i mean it's

[1:09:47] Voice 10: it's the sort of thing it's a it's a weird thing that

[1:09:50] Voice 10: you know the trustees are asked

[1:09:52] Voice 10: this and i go when i go and visit the site and i go i look at it and i go well if it was me this

[1:09:57] Voice 10: is what i would do right i understand that this is creating two different two smaller farms i

[1:10:02] Voice 10: support the idea of increasing the size of this farm but my concern was when i looked at that

[1:10:10] Voice 10: where the line was going to be that there wasn't an animal corridor on that side of the barn right

[1:10:16] Voice 10: and so that would be my question um is it possible to move that line um so that there is a corridor

[1:10:24] Voice 10: um down that you know to leave the barn and go down that side of the property on the large farm

[1:10:32] Voice 10: if you have a good idea here so

[1:10:37] Voice 2: are you talking about the sorry go ahead

[1:10:42] Voice 9: yeah go ahead

[1:10:44] Voice 9: um so are

[1:10:46] Voice 1: you talking about um if we're looking at the the barn are you talking about the um the proposed

[1:10:55] Voice 1: boundary are you talking about the sort of existing um boundary yeah

[1:11:00] Voice 10: so i i mean i have a

[1:11:02] Voice 10: map in front of me and i

[1:11:03] Voice 10: assume you have a map as well and so you can see

[1:11:07] Voice 7: that line that's closest

[1:11:08] Voice 10: us to the barn um is it possible is it possible to move that line towards the moon shadow to create

[1:11:18] Voice 10: an animal corridor um

[1:11:21] Voice 1: well i think and i mean kim can um confirm

[1:11:24] Voice 10: and perhaps maybe danica could

[1:11:26] Voice 1: answer this question better because

[1:11:27] Voice 10: um

[1:11:29] Voice 1: i think the challenge would be is if any and kim can

[1:11:36] Voice 1: can confirm this but if any changes are made to what has been submitted um we would i'm assuming

[1:11:42] Voice 1: we would have to go through this process again i'm not sure whether um you know amending the

[1:11:48] Voice 1: site plan and um etc would um would uh like if we would be able to proceed and send this to al to

[1:11:59] Voice 1: ALC I mean I mean maybe perhaps it could make like a condition that like that the boundary

[1:12:07] Voice 1: lines could be adjusted or maybe there could be some sort of on-site like mitigation to address

[1:12:14] Voice 1: your concerns I'm not I'm not quite sure and so you're you're concerned about that boundary being

[1:12:20] Voice 1: there because of the because the use isn't changing with respect to the properties that

[1:12:26] Voice 1: they're just asking for that boundary so that they have additional area to ensure that they

[1:12:31] Voice 2: have greater productivity no

[1:12:38] Voice 9: i understand i understand

[1:12:39] Voice 10: why that why the boundaries are

[1:12:41] Voice 10: there if you were on site though you would

[1:12:43] Voice 10: understand now it's it's it's not right now

[1:12:48] Voice 10: because the owner owns both of the places right but the that's not going to be the way it is in

[1:12:55] Voice 10: the future and so if you're on site there you're using for instance this is a scenario

[1:13:04] Voice 10: if there was a fire on the far side of the barn and you were evacuating animals down the road

[1:13:12] Voice 10: which comes through the line there could

[1:13:14] Voice 5: conceivably be a fence there that they can't

[1:13:17] Voice 5: get out of and so you're you're essentially leaving only

[1:13:21] Voice 10: one one egress right so that's

[1:13:23] Voice 10: why my suggestion is it's just to move that line far enough so that so that there isn't a corridor

[1:13:28] Voice 10: down that side of the field um i'm i'm not sure why that would have to we would have to start all

[1:13:37] Voice 10: over again just to amend a log

[1:13:39] Voice 12: line well through

[1:13:41] Voice 12: the chair so just so i'm clear um it's really

[1:13:45] Voice 12: actually hard when you zoom into these it's hard to read it um let me come over here it's nice to

[1:13:51] Voice 12: have a physical map just so i know which is

[1:13:56] Voice 10: it this so yeah so this see this is a band here

[1:14:00] Voice 10: so if this line was moved over right then you would survive in that part of work out there

[1:14:05] Voice 10: so it would just be a matter of

[1:14:06] Voice 12: sliding this line over right now where did you get this from my

[1:14:12] Voice 12: understanding the boundary adjustment is not that big maybe

[1:14:18] Voice 10: we could hear that enough oh actually

[1:14:20] Voice 12: hard makeup so what would your recommendation be that you'd like it to come in over here more yes

[1:14:30] Voice 10: how

[1:14:30] Voice 12: much would you say approximately well

[1:14:34] Voice 10: well i mean i think that's that's the advice of the

[1:14:37] Voice 10: applicant really um they understand my concern i hope and um and so i'd like to hear from the

[1:14:46] Voice 10: applicant on on serve what they what they feel yeah go ahead

[1:14:51] Voice 12: so yeah ben and i

[1:14:52] Voice 12: went and walked

[1:14:53] Voice 12: uh the property and unfortunately i don't know if this is the plan thing but it'd be really nice to

[1:14:59] Voice 12: have those survey things superimposed on a satellite you can see how it affects the remaining

[1:15:04] Voice 12: like the remaining muscle um because this doesn't really give you that much effects but essentially

[1:15:10] Voice 12: on the satellite map, I think it's on page 24, you can kind of see a really faint fence line,

[1:15:19] Voice 12: and the African is totally willing to move that line to accommodate a small corridor to access

[1:15:27] Voice 12: that bar for any future owners of 1153 today. Obviously we would love to not restart this

[1:15:34] Voice 12: process all over again um but if there needs to be changes then we're going to like discuss it and

[1:15:40] Voice 12: i think that for the chart i think that the ltc could um make a motion that it would support

[1:15:52] Voice 12: the application based on the southern lot line being moved north by x amount of meters okay

[1:16:02] Voice 12: oh when was that Charlie I think that was Charlie yeah oh I said okay

[1:16:07] Voice 12: that sounds good

[1:16:08] Voice 12: yeah

[1:16:09] Voice 1: and if the

[1:16:10] Voice 12: LTC has any concerns they can let us know but I think there shouldn't be any

[1:16:15] Voice 12: concerns whatsoever because this um we will also be going um through our own um subdivision review

[1:16:25] Voice 12: view so by moving that lot line north by six meters or whatever it may be i don't see

[1:16:32] Voice 12: a concern whatsoever okay

[1:16:35] Voice 1: thanks cam okay

[1:16:39] Voice 9: so then um we can address that then as uh

[1:16:49] Voice 3: as a condition or yeah

[1:16:53] Voice 12: so the recommendation on the first page of the staff report we can

[1:16:57] Voice 12: amend it so it says something along the lines of that the galliano line and local trust committee

[1:17:03] Voice 12: supports application subject to yeah the southern go back to that the southern um lot line

[1:17:18] Voice 12: for the proposed lot one being adjusted north by six meters and what's the last recipe

[1:17:26] Voice 12: of the and paper request staff report the application to the lc another question about

[1:17:33] Voice 12: it too like um what would it look like for a possibility if she wanted to retain 771

[1:17:41] Voice 12: as the proposed lot line so we have it in the staff report but if she was to register

[1:17:48] Voice 12: and allow any future owner of 1153 the larger parcel if there was an emergency or they needed

[1:17:55] Voice 12: of access to that backfield is that a possibility what does that look like does that make sense

[1:18:02] Voice 12: that's a word that um i don't know maybe from a planning perspective and you could

[1:18:11] Voice 12: make that recommendation to the alc ultimately the alc has the final decision so they'll take

[1:18:17] Voice 12: it into consideration but they may not necessarily approve the easements but um i think you make a

[1:18:25] Voice 12: strong rationale is why to lease them would be important but i can't speak for the alc and just

[1:18:33] Voice 3: i'm just wondering procedurally if uh if moving the lot line is it sounds a little bit simpler

[1:18:42] Voice 3: than registering an easement and

[1:18:43] Voice 12: it could accomplish just the same purpose thing i'm just

[1:18:49] Voice 12: yeah i mean it is a legal document so the um the property owner would have to go through the

[1:18:56] Voice 12: process of getting that drafted and then registering the title so there is a cost

[1:19:00] Voice 12: and a process for that yeah

[1:19:02] Voice 10: yeah and the one thing i would say is if it's an easement

[1:19:07] Voice 10: um certainly it wouldn't be available for planting barley or gardening or anything like that so

[1:19:15] Voice 10: So I'm not saying what the benefit of just having an easement, as opposed to just doing the adjustment, and that would be my recommendation.

[1:19:27] Voice 12: Except that area is more like pasture, if you were to have any sort of animal on the other side.

[1:19:35] Voice 12: So that totally, but I'd suspect it would be more of a pasture than planting kind of garden areas.

[1:19:43] Voice 12: but yeah i understand what you're saying

[1:19:45] Voice 3: so what i'm thinking is in respect of the of the owner

[1:19:51] Voice 3: sort of has a decision to make here uh we could include both of those things in your resolution

[1:19:58] Voice 3: so say either the lot line or or an easement and then the owner can make um

[1:20:05] Voice 3: make that determination of what makes more sense

[1:20:08] Voice 9: for the bros

[1:20:22] Voice 3: but

[1:20:22] Voice 12: you could list those options i've never gone through that process before so i can't

[1:20:27] Voice 12: potentially provide it right i don't know

[1:20:30] Voice 12: um what the alc will prefer

[1:20:35] Voice 12: But, I mean, you could write it in, say, approval subject to addressing the concern of, sorry, I can't remember how you pronounce it, by either registration of a easement or moving the southern line up, or northern line up.

[1:20:57] Voice 12: future in the resolution, the ALC would only support the application if one of those conditions

[1:21:06] Voice 9: is included.

[1:21:07] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:21:10] Voice 9: Thank you for your address, please.

[1:21:16] Voice 9: Well, I'm

[1:21:17] Voice 12: not as concerned about the end of the order.

[1:21:20] Voice 12: The rest of the applicant can put this together and put the work in.

[1:21:24] Voice 12: I'd be in favor of supporting this application to go to the ALC.

[1:21:28] Voice 12: see um i'm sure the applicant can provide great rationale for mitigating um in case of an

[1:21:37] Voice 12: emergency just like any other firm owner and we don't really know who's going to own that property

[1:21:43] Voice 12: next or if it's for sale so it's hard to make decisions based on something that's happening

[1:21:49] Voice 12: in the future that might not realistically come through uh i'm catering the easement

[1:21:57] Voice 12: this was a great question um we're proceeding with this one perhaps we need more time to discuss it

[1:22:05] Voice 12: before drafting or changing our committee and sending stuff to the alc yeah that's always an

[1:22:13] Voice 12: option anything further well i mean i i think

[1:22:18] Voice 10: i've been pretty clear i think the animal corridor is

[1:22:21] Voice 10: important um i would support the application i do support the application moving ahead

[1:22:26] Voice 10: pending an animal corridor on the southern online i think we can be as vague as that because that

[1:22:35] Voice 10: still allows room for the applicant to either move the lot line or um put an easement there

[1:22:43] Voice 10: um but as long as uh so i i'm going to make a motion okay that the galleon of the trust committee

[1:22:50] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, These sports application deal a lr two zero two 3.1.

[1:22:55] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, One condition of an apple court or.

[1:22:59] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, Southern online.

[1:23:00] Voice 12: Mayor Mrakas, A proposed law one.

[1:23:02] Voice 12: Mayor

[1:23:02] Voice 10: Mrakas, Proposed one Okay, and request.

[1:23:05] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, To for the application to the Commission.

[1:23:10] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas,

[1:23:10] Voice 12: Okay, so on this path of the minute teacher did you get that.

[1:23:17] Voice 12: Mayor Mrakas, Yes,

[1:23:20] Voice 9: I got that.

[1:23:24] Voice 3: moved and seconded

[1:23:25] Voice 12: it but i'd like

[1:23:27] Voice 3: to add any further discussion

[1:23:28] Voice 12: yeah i'd like that

[1:23:29] Voice 12: would happen or even the boundary and they're just considerations

[1:23:37] Voice 3: all right in that case uh anything further no okay in that case i'll call for the vote

[1:23:43] Voice 3: all those in favor great and that carries right and i think we're at uh we're square at 242 i

[1:23:53] Voice 3: I think we should take a break here, so let's go ahead and recess until 3 o'clock, and then we'll come back to our business.

[1:41:44] Voice 9: to stay here for a meeting on the 6th.

[1:41:51] Voice 9: No, I

[1:42:56] Voice 12: just want to get that.

[1:43:21] Voice 9: Yes, it's probably me.

[1:44:20] Voice 9: I'm perfect for the street.

[1:45:02] Voice 9: Take our scenes, please, ladies and gentlemen.

[1:45:06] Voice 9: Hey, he's out.

[1:45:11] Voice 9: What do you think?

[1:45:25] Voice 9: Hey, thank you very much.

[1:45:51] Voice 3: I'll call the meeting back to order.

[1:45:54] Voice 3: and as we left off in section 14 so we're at uh

[1:45:58] Voice 12: right on item 14.3 a gl rz 23.1 rock color

[1:46:04] Voice 12: there's a staff report here on page uh 51 and uh it looks like uh donald will take this away for us

[1:46:18] Voice 12: thank you chair peterson um so this the purpose of the staff report we hold it preliminary report

[1:46:26] Voice 12: And it's really to introduce the application to the LCC and to seek further direction.

[1:46:33] Voice 12: The application as proposed would amend the Galeano Land Use By-law by rezoning the entire

[1:46:40] Voice 12: subject property or portion of the subject property or forest land with quit zone.

[1:46:46] Voice 12: So 80 hectares would be rezoned with site-specific F3 zones that would allow for forward-running

[1:46:54] Voice 12: this and the other two hectares would be a site-specific forest industrial stop i um

[1:47:02] Voice 12: our errors whatever reason i had five hectares stuck in my head or this whole staff report it

[1:47:08] Voice 12: should be two hectares so i apologize for that i'm getting a bit of a background on this lot

[1:47:16] Voice 12: this is district lot 14 and as i mentioned it's approximately 85 hectares an area and it's

[1:47:23] Voice 12: currently zone forest one there are four buildings located on the property that have a floor area of

[1:47:32] Voice 12: approximately 650 square feet one of those is currently being used as a dwelling there is one

[1:47:40] Voice 1: other

[1:47:41] Voice 12: building with a floor area i believe it's actually under 300 square feet and that's located

[1:47:47] Voice 12: in the area that's currently used as a sawmill off of Pallback Road.

[1:47:53] Voice 12: So in 1999, the previous property owner actually stratified these five building envelopes.

[1:48:01] Voice 12: So there's now strata launch one to five, with the majority of the property being common property.

[1:48:09] Voice 12: Staff are not quite sure how the property owner was able to register this building status of division,

[1:48:17] Voice 12: but we believe that it's um in compliance with the number of these sections of the strata

[1:48:22] Voice 12: mafia there are two large water tanks near the existing sawmill area that are

[1:48:28] Voice 12: can be used for fire emergency there's also three wells located on the property

[1:48:36] Voice 12: where the uh the larger of the four buildings are located and only one of those wells is in use

[1:48:44] Voice 12: use. So under the applicant's rationale, the property was purchased in 2017 with those

[1:48:49] Voice 12: existing five buildings and that sawmill area in place. And as I mentioned, the intent is

[1:48:55] Voice 12: to rezone that degraded area where the sawmill is located to a site-specific forest industrial

[1:49:03] Voice 12: zone. This would increase the availability of approved late industrial zoning on Galliano

[1:49:10] Voice 12: um and also implementing our restrictive sustainable forestry covenant on her meaning

[1:49:17] Voice 12: f3 portion of the property so the applicant is a

[1:49:21] Voice 12: willing to register that sustainable

[1:49:23] Voice 12: forestry covenant as well as a covenant to restrict the dwelling

[1:49:32] Voice 12: and also to prohibit any further subdivision and there's um

[1:49:37] Voice 12: more of a rationale in the

[1:49:39] Voice 12: staff report and there's also attached to the staff report a letter from the applicant

[1:49:46] Voice 12: uh currently in the ocp the subject property is date designated for us um you can see on page 55

[1:49:57] Voice 12: of the agenda in the ocp there are a number of course policies one of those actually outlines

[1:50:07] Voice 9: provides

[1:50:07] Voice 12: a situation where dwellings are permitted circumstance and number two

[1:50:12] Voice 12: it states land whose owners grant to the cilia forest foundation no longer

[1:50:18] Voice 12: i think around anymore so basically the land or the owner grants to the ltc and another currency

[1:50:29] Voice 12: um to manage the land in accordance with the sustainable forest practices and prohibiting

[1:50:36] Voice 12: subdivision of the land um into lots less than 20 hectares and may be rezoned to permit

[1:50:44] Voice 12: one accessory dwelling per 20 hectares if the lot complies with land transfer transportation

[1:50:52] Voice 12: 0. So again, it says that it allows one dwelling unit per 20 hectares. It doesn't say one dwelling

[1:51:00] Voice 12: unit per lot. So staff's interpretation of that, that in the forest designation, currently

[1:51:07] Voice 12: the subject property, 85 hectares, could have up to four dwellings based on the interpretation

[1:51:15] Voice 12: of the current policy of the OCP.

[1:51:19] Voice 12: The property is also mentioned in schedule C

[1:51:23] Voice 12: of the road network map,

[1:51:25] Voice 12: and it's identified the subject property

[1:51:28] Voice 12: as a possible area of emergency access

[1:51:30] Voice 12: to connect the 6 Allison Road community

[1:51:34] Voice 12: to the community to the east.

[1:51:36] Voice 12: Of course, there is a hydro property there,

[1:51:39] Voice 12: so it may not be feasible for that emergency access

[1:51:43] Voice 12: access across the subject property is something the LTP can consider and also make a condition

[1:51:48] Voice 12: of the rezoning if this proceeds. But staff would have to definitely research further to see if the

[1:51:56] Voice 12: emergency access would even make sense in that location. And that's also similar to Schedule E

[1:52:02] Voice 12: currency trail map. It has identified that there could be potentially a public trail across the

[1:52:10] Voice 12: property. Church of the Land Use By-law, as I mentioned, is currently zoned Forest 1,

[1:52:15] Voice 12: and Forest 1 does not permit dwellings, so the applicant is going to propose to rezone the

[1:52:22] Voice 12: majority of the property to site-specific Forest 3 zone, and that Forest 3 zone would then allow

[1:52:28] Voice 12: those four dwelling units. And then that

[1:52:31] Voice 12: other two hectares, which is currently where the sawmill is

[1:52:34] Voice 12: located would be rezoned to in the forest site specific for industrial zone and the applicant

[1:52:42] Voice 12: as indicated in the letter is willing to reduce some of or take away some of the uses that's

[1:52:49] Voice 12: currently permitted in the act of reporting industrial zones and so i've listed that on

[1:52:54] Voice 12: page in eight of the staff report um if this proceeds we will require a groundwater assessment

[1:53:01] Voice 12: As mentioned in the staff report, there is also a registered archaeological site on the

[1:53:11] Voice 12: northern tip of the property near the foreshore.

[1:53:15] Voice 12: The applicant has currently has an archaeological branch for further information, so we will

[1:53:22] Voice 12: potentially we could add a covenant as a condition to be so many bbc logical brands requires that

[1:53:31] Voice 12: in terms of consultation if his application proceeds there's a list of personations and

[1:53:39] Voice 12: agencies that we would refer this application out to as soon as possible so my my recommendation

[1:53:48] Voice 12: recommendation on page one of the staff report was actually to request for the LTC to request

[1:53:54] Voice 12: staff to draft laws. At this time, though, I think that staff would like to bring this application

[1:54:02] Voice 12: back as preliminary staff report back with additional information. One of those items

[1:54:07] Voice 12: that staff should report on is if an OCP amendment is followed would actually be required. That's

[1:54:18] Voice 12: at that. So staff would actually like to bring us back with that information. But the

[1:54:23] Voice 12: LTC,

[1:54:25] Voice 12: how you'd like to proceed, there's a recommendation to move forward with draft bylaws and on

[1:54:31] Voice 12: page 60

[1:54:32] Voice 12: of

[1:54:32] Voice 1: the agenda is

[1:54:33] Voice 12: also alternatives the LTC can consider. Now

[1:54:39] Voice 1: as I mentioned staff will report

[1:54:40] Voice 12: back to further information but if there is any specific information the LTC would like

[1:54:46] Voice 12: the um staff report back on i do suggest putting that in a motion and that's number one of the

[1:54:53] Voice 12: alternatives and the applicants is also here if the ltc has any questions and i do have comments

[1:55:00] Voice 12: sure

[1:55:01] Voice 3: and uh so when i'm going to do this i'm going to go to trustees first uh for questions

[1:55:07] Voice 3: for the planner and then

[1:55:10] Voice 12: we'll hear from the applicants um so trustees questions for the

[1:55:14] Voice 12: planet yeah i'm satisfied with the summit uh the information here i see the need for a little more

[1:55:21] Voice 12: information around here um compared to um a little further more information um yeah particularly for

[1:55:33] Voice 12: me sorry i lost my notes here uh for me i would see areas around the trails and the emergency

[1:55:40] Voice 12: the accent like the c that explored a little bit more what that would look like for sure um

[1:55:47] Voice 12: what else that's that was a key that set up for me a little bit too um

[1:55:58] Voice 10: trustee

[1:56:02] Voice 10: so there's a few things on this one i'd like to talk about i know this property very very well um

[1:56:12] Voice 7: yeah yeah i'm looking

[1:56:14] Voice 10: for a question

[1:56:14] Voice 12: for the planner and then we're going to hear from the

[1:56:16] Voice 10: applicant

[1:56:16] Voice 12: yeah

[1:56:19] Voice 10: well um so my my questions will be um for the planner to address okay my concerns on

[1:56:28] Voice 10: the board

[1:56:29] Voice 12: i'm fine with hearing from the applicant no okay please go ahead um so i'm very excited to

[1:56:39] Voice 12: to be here today as an applicant.

[1:56:41] Voice 12: My father has been my

[1:56:43] Voice 12: in operation achievement on Gallaudet

[1:56:46] Voice 12: and I'm a big fan of Gallaudet.

[1:56:49] Voice 12: He purchased law 14 to preserve an intact

[1:56:52] Voice 12: court's law of significant integrity.

[1:56:54] Voice 12: In that spirit, I've put together an application

[1:56:57] Voice 12: that adheres to our language bylaw and OCP

[1:56:59] Voice 12: while further incorporating strong harm prevention measures

[1:57:03] Voice 12: and voluntary restrictive filings

[1:57:04] Voice 12: such as law 9-6 and no subrogation.

[1:57:08] Voice 12: I did

[1:57:09] Voice 9: have a concern

[1:57:09] Voice 12: when we were doing this application together, because during my term

[1:57:12] Voice 12: as an RFC, the LTC initiated legal action against Trustee Mabley's contravention of

[1:57:16] Voice 12: violence on his fourth law, developing a very expensive legal process.

[1:57:20] Voice 12: When I expressed my concern to him regarding the potential coin of work of interest, he

[1:57:24] Voice 12: advised me that his experience enables him to put aside his personal biases.

[1:57:28] Voice 12: So with that, I look forward to working with the community and the LTC.

[1:57:31] Voice 12: I have received the map from the Archaeological Branch, and I can't share it with anybody.

[1:57:39] Voice 12: But I had

[1:57:40] Voice 12: to sign it off, so it's a very small area in the DPA, and I did get them reported to YouTube.

[1:57:44] Voice 12: I can't go further with that, except for on your recommendation.

[1:57:49] Voice 12: And I was thinking the groundwater assessment, as Pamela discussed,

[1:57:54] Voice 12: got perhaps additional development for the original landowner for them. So it may be more

[1:58:10] Voice 12: actually going to build, it could be, or for a while. Anyway, that's what we've gotten. And

[1:58:16] Voice 12: And thanks,

[1:58:17] Voice 9: it's

[1:58:18] Voice 12: going to be a long process, so

[1:58:19] Voice 9: let's keep going.

[1:58:22] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[1:58:25] Voice 10: So like I say, I know this particular property extremely well.

[1:58:32] Voice 10: I started working on it when the dry land started to spark,

[1:58:35] Voice 10: when they were going to land in the late 80s, early 90s,

[1:58:41] Voice 10: and bought this property.

[1:58:44] Voice 10: I'm sort of very familiar with all the roads and features that this property has.

[1:58:51] Voice 10: So I have some, I wouldn't say concerns, but I have some ideas.

[1:59:01] Voice 10: I think the emergency accesses are doable.

[1:59:04] Voice 10: I mean, I look at this piece of property and having an emergency access that sticks out

[1:59:08] Voice 10: into the south mega point side, and then there's also the ability to put emergency access all

[1:59:15] Voice 10: way up to pollier as well those roads exist so it's not like um you know we're building new roads

[1:59:21] Voice 10: um there's on the pollier path side of the property there are four lots right now

[1:59:33] Voice 10: that um are landlocked um in their ability to build their cottages

[1:59:38] Voice 10: this starts with um mary wilson's and those properties they have a property up on the top

[1:59:48] Voice 10: is adjacent to this property i would like to see an access for those

[1:59:53] Voice 10: four properties so that they could um build their cottages i'm going to think this

[2:00:00] Voice 10: only time we get to ask for that um if the application goes by and there isn't access

[2:00:06] Voice 10: granted to these four properties then that property is landlocked for good because this

[2:00:11] Voice 10: would be in a forestry government and that wouldn't be possible at that point

[2:00:18] Voice 10: okay um one of the other things i'd like to see is some amenities zoning um

[2:00:26] Voice 10: this actually piece of property is it touches polar pass road right where galley on the way

[2:00:31] Voice 10: and pull your pass you know around the corner there so there is a road access there i'd like

[2:00:37] Voice 10: to see the possibility of having some amenities owning on that on that portion maybe a couple

[2:00:42] Voice 10: acres for one of the housing organizations on the island to look at i don't think it's it would

[2:00:48] Voice 10: um in any way um sort of destroy the integrity of what you're trying to achieve here well with

[2:00:57] Voice 12: the sustainable forestry president it actually would and there's no policies in our economy

[2:01:01] Voice 12: okay and

[2:01:06] Voice 10: um and the other thing i um i'd like to see is for everybody's information um first

[2:01:14] Voice 10: nations um harvest and sustenance on this lot um well when m and b did it right and then when

[2:01:29] Voice 10: it was bought by uh firemax timber corporation first nation for in terms of the harvest

[2:01:34] Voice 10: sustenance on this lot as well that ended in 2017 when the uh the owners that have it now

[2:01:50] Voice 10: and so i would like to see um in our consultation with the penelope and the jarvis family

[2:01:59] Voice 10: the renewal of of those opportunities um like i say this this has been going on and has gone

[2:02:11] Voice 10: on for an awful long time and we'd like to say i'd like to see that addressed as well

[2:02:16] Voice 10: So I'm sure there's three person nation organizations that we have on the island will all be consulted with this application.

[2:02:26] Voice 10: We'll

[2:02:30] Voice 9: let them speak for themselves, but that will be part of the process here.

[2:02:37] Voice 9: So those are

[2:02:38] Voice 10: just some of my thoughts.

[2:02:40] Voice 10: Um, I think, um, I'd like to hear back from staff on, uh, I mean, for me, the purpose

[2:02:54] Voice 10: of the application being brought to us is to look at the application and see what's

[2:03:00] Voice 10: best for Galliano, right?

[2:03:01] Voice 10: How does the application, how does the opportunity of the application provide us with an opportunity

[2:03:09] Voice 10: to, um, get some of the things that Galliano needs?

[2:03:16] Voice 10: and so that's those are those are the issues that are the

[2:03:19] Voice 10: the things that i have so yeah

[2:03:25] Voice 12: let's let's get started okay thank you for that um i know that

[2:03:32] Voice 12: there was uh yeah i've also heard a question about the trustee but the process for an application is

[2:03:41] Voice 12: there is when you file an official community plan and when applicants adhere to that that

[2:03:47] Voice 12: But trustees generally just can't make up rationale for asking for more.

[2:03:54] Voice 12: And perhaps I'm incorrect, but maybe it's something to reflect upon, maybe your decision.

[2:03:59] Voice 12: There is a process.

[2:04:01] Voice 12: And then

[2:04:01] Voice 12: if you guys decide to do it properly, and I understand because I was accused of

[2:04:04] Voice 12: the same thing, but I actually have policy backed by concerns.

[2:04:09] Voice 12: So I think it's really important to provide policies or change the policies.

[2:04:15] Voice 12: agencies, but it's really important for appreciate that

[2:04:21] Voice 12: I was just going to mention the there's

[2:04:25] Voice 3: a section here that that mentions as a condition of rezoning that the LTC could request a statutory

[2:04:33] Voice 3: right of way agreement and so obviously that's something we need I think the LTC could need

[2:04:39] Voice 3: some more information understand that the emergency access is a it's a big issue here

[2:04:46] Voice 3: on the island

[2:04:47] Voice 3: so that's we're happy to

[2:04:48] Voice 12: look inside as long as it's no problem for

[2:04:52] Voice 3: sure for sure but

[2:04:53] Voice 3: that's uh you know as as a newcomer to galley i know from my understanding that's one of the

[2:04:57] Voice 3: things that jumped out at me as as being something that the lpc could certainly it'd be helpful for

[2:05:03] Voice 3: us to have more information on that piece for sure um and i actually i'm i'm i'm gonna let

[2:05:11] Voice 3: to speak at the town hall section later um and so uh looking at the what's being requested of

[2:05:19] Voice 3: the ltc today though um you have a recommendation um in front of us which is proceeding with the

[2:05:26] Voice 3: application and preparing the draft bylaws so um in terms of our process today uh if there's

[2:05:34] Voice 3: specific information i would think i'm hearing is that if there's more specific information that

[2:05:39] Voice 3: that the ltc would like to to request about this application including options then now

[2:05:47] Voice 3: it's a good time for us to to put those uh requests for further information into a resolution for staff

[2:05:54] Voice 12: and back to trustees bear in motion i move that the galena ltc direct staff to seek further

[2:06:01] Voice 12: further information and to begin to drop by loss okay

[2:06:07] Voice 9: so moved uh I

[2:06:10] Voice 3: just wonder if there

[2:06:12] Voice 3: is there any specific information that you'd like to identify or you can just leave a general at

[2:06:19] Voice 3: this time yeah

[2:06:20] Voice 12: I I think the um I think staff has made it clear to us that they understand

[2:06:25] Voice 12: the direction that they they would like to go in specifically ourselves as a flight in the

[2:06:31] Voice 12: staff report around the trails uh versus the access from yourself with the statutory right

[2:06:37] Voice 12: of way i mean there's a good thing about come out in the natural course of the process application

[2:06:40] Voice 12: of that patient's process we'd like to see this move move along okay

[2:06:46] Voice 3: and and so yeah i just wanted

[2:06:48] Voice 3: to give the opportunity to if there's anything that's i think we could take it sort of as a

[2:06:53] Voice 3: given that what's in the staff report that needs further information we'll get more on that's

[2:06:57] Voice 7: if there's anything

[2:06:58] Voice 3: that it's not on the staff report that you want further information and now

[2:07:01] Voice 3: is a good time to ask for it

[2:07:03] Voice 12: so yeah i just need to be clear on what we're getting information on

[2:07:09] Voice 10: yeah

[2:07:10] Voice 12: for the chair so whatever state is further information on emergency access

[2:07:16] Voice 12: access or potential for a public trail.

[2:07:22] Voice 12: Let's see here at condition to access the four properties to

[2:07:28] Voice 12: the South. Further information on that. Further information on

[2:07:32] Voice 12: potential for any options for amenity zoning for two acres

[2:07:37] Voice 12: for housing and also to ensure consultation with Connecticut

[2:07:41] Voice 12: get driven from english um because of galliano um

[2:07:45] Voice 12: and those are the items that i've had i have so far okay was there oh i'm i'm saying consultation

[2:07:56] Voice 12: consultation okay okay and was there any anything else that has been identified that we need to

[2:08:04] Voice 12: proceeding with this application would initiate the presentations referral yeah so

[2:08:11] Voice 12: If we were going to proceed forward, generally what a staff would recommend is early referral to First Nations.

[2:08:20] Voice 12: And that early referral would say, this is what a proposal is.

[2:08:24] Voice 12: We encourage any comments on this application.

[2:08:29] Voice 12: So we really want to make sure that we do an early engagement with her.

[2:08:32] Voice 12: So all First Nations are aware and can get go of this application.

[2:08:36] Voice 12: And then we have our formal referral that we send out generally after first reading.

[2:08:42] Voice 12: And then we also have another referral right before the hearing, but we will do an early

[2:08:49] Voice 12: referral for this application.

[2:08:51] Voice 12: So we almost have three opportunities.

[2:08:53] Voice 12: No, I understand

[2:08:54] Voice 12: what you're saying, the

[2:08:55] Voice 10: difference between referral and consultation is when

[2:09:00] Voice 10: you send out referrals, you're sending out letters.

[2:09:03] Voice 10: Yes.

[2:09:04] Voice 8: so that

[2:09:04] Voice 10: yeah consultation isn't that consultation is talking to yeah right that's

[2:09:10] Voice 12: what i have to say

[2:09:10] Voice 10: consultation

[2:09:11] Voice 12: okay and i appreciate you clarifying that so it sounds like you would like to make sure

[2:09:15] Voice 12: that staff are having anything like a one-on-one

[2:09:19] Voice 12: discussion rather than letters yes okay great

[2:09:23] Voice 12: and so what i can do is provide information so i'm reporting back on further information the lcd

[2:09:32] Voice 12: the should decide if um would like staff for those that consultation right now or if that

[2:09:40] Voice 12: consultation should um it be initiated after that stuff before everything back oh

[2:09:46] Voice 10: i think we can

[2:09:47] Voice 10: start about that report is back okay we have

[2:09:49] Voice 10: more clarity yeah okay

[2:09:51] Voice 12: um

[2:09:52] Voice 9: looking

[2:09:55] Voice 12: for clarity at consultation i'm not understanding the where this is in their

[2:10:02] Voice 12: or process is this something that's done normally with that page for assault and reconciliation

[2:10:07] Voice 12: um it hasn't been uh normally um but it could be a requirement at the ltc if you would like that

[2:10:14] Voice 12: right i think i'd like some time to consider that well

[2:10:17] Voice 3: i was just going to make a suggestion

[2:10:19] Voice 3: which is that what i heard from trustee may really say is a stack of pork so you would like that to

[2:10:26] Voice 3: take place so if that's what the timeline is then i think uh passing this motion doesn't

[2:10:33] Voice 3: inhibit that in any way and so we could initiate that a motion to that effect at that time that

[2:10:41] Voice 3: would receive the updated report yeah

[2:10:44] Voice 12: i just said what i want to picture being transparent enough

[2:10:46] Voice 12: your uh consultation it sounds like these are issues with balance trust and consultation with

[2:10:53] Voice 12: that the tribes, bands, nations here,

[2:10:55] Voice 12: this isn't the applicant's issue

[2:10:57] Voice 12: of flag and conciliation.

[2:11:00] Voice 10: Oh, well,

[2:11:01] Voice 10: I think that's a requirement.

[2:11:02] Voice 10: You're asking

[2:11:02] Voice 12: me, I'll stress how we need to work out.

[2:11:04] Voice 12: Yeah, I

[2:11:04] Voice 12: mean, we know there's serious problems,

[2:11:06] Voice 12: but we have a Senate in front of us.

[2:11:08] Voice 12: We have other applications in

[2:11:10] Voice 10: front of us

[2:11:10] Voice 10: where we're finding that we may have done referrals,

[2:11:14] Voice 10: but we haven't done consultation.

[2:11:17] Voice 10: And we're pretty clear

[2:11:18] Voice 10: that we haven't done proper consultation.

[2:11:21] Voice 10: patient and so um but

[2:11:24] Voice 12: the duty to consult it's is that what you're talking about yeah well

[2:11:29] Voice 8: that is

[2:11:31] Voice 12: a federal local government act i don't think that's part of our so

[2:11:35] Voice 8: you're saying we

[2:11:35] Voice 8: should consult oh

[2:11:36] Voice 12: i'm not saying that at all i can't believe it but i don't know that we can't

[2:11:40] Voice 12: do it i'm just worried about stepping into something that maybe may not be the best

[2:11:43] Voice 12: report i would

[2:11:45] Voice 12: just yeah i

[2:11:48] Voice 3: would just i would just also say that uh you know in terms of the

[2:11:54] Voice 3: motion that's on the floor here yeah i

[2:11:56] Voice 3: don't think that that inhibits any of this other

[2:11:59] Voice 3: other stuff right i would say that i'm really looking forward to um the conversation at trust

[2:12:07] Voice 3: the trust council based on the motion that we brought together out and also the motion

[2:12:16] Voice 3: that the local trust committee forwarded to trust council to review the whole process.

[2:12:23] Voice 3: It's clear that the process is not achieving what I think all of us want to like intend

[2:12:32] and

[2:12:32] Voice 3: more to be doing, it's an outdated process.

[2:12:35] Voice 3: It needs relation trust-wide

[2:12:37] Voice 3: and decision for trust councils.

[2:12:42] Voice 3: Part of that is consulting First Nations

[2:12:46] Voice 3: to talk about how they feel the risk for a process

[2:12:50] Voice 3: needs to change in a positive way

[2:12:52] Voice 3: that brings them into that.

[2:12:54] Voice 3: Not just us saying,

[2:12:56] Voice 3: well, we're gonna change the referral process

[2:12:58] Voice 3: by doing A and B and C,

[2:12:59] Voice 3: see but actually asking like how can we how would you let the referral process change in a way

[2:13:04] Voice 3: that makes it more meaningful that makes it more valuable and you know that makes it a better

[2:13:10] Voice 3: process all around so that's a big question i think for the organization in general and

[2:13:16] Voice 3: um and and so far my experience is that most local trust committees are running into that same

[2:13:23] Voice 3: the same issue it's like now we've said we're we're committed to reconciliation as part of that

[2:13:29] Voice 3: we absolutely have to completely look at how we've been doing it how how that's been inadequate and

[2:13:37] Voice 3: and and really actually consult with birth nations on what are the positive changes we can make to

[2:13:43] Voice 3: this process instead of just following the statutory process and saying we've done it

[2:13:48] Voice 3: that's clearly not it's

[2:13:50] Voice 12: clearly not adequate and it's clearly not respectful enough so

[2:13:53] Voice 12: well i think we'll hear back from staff yeah and

[2:13:55] Voice 10: we'll have a discussion at the next time it's on

[2:13:59] Voice 10: the agenda and that's all right so

[2:14:05] Voice 12: back to the motion at hand uh anything further on the moment

[2:14:08] Voice 12: okay yes go ahead let's see the minute taker and hand up

[2:14:18] Voice 9: um

[2:14:21] Voice 4: yes i'd like to read that motion

[2:14:23] Voice 4: for clarity through the chair.

[2:14:25] Voice 4: It was moved that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[2:14:29] Voice 4: direct staff to proceed with further information

[2:14:32] Voice 4: to prepare draft bylaws application

[2:14:39] Voice 4: GLRZ2023.1 Rockefeller

[2:14:41] Voice 4: and to prepare draft bylaws.

[2:14:46] Voice 3: I'll do that.

[2:14:47] Voice 3: All right, so if there's nothing further,

[2:14:50] Voice 3: I'll call the question, all those in favor.

[2:14:53] Voice 3: Okay, that motion is carried.

[2:14:54] Voice 3: thank you for that and thank

[2:14:57] Voice 12: you for the discussion and so this brings us on to local trust committee

[2:15:05] Voice 12: projects of a staff report on age 76 and is this plan ready to stop it is thank you chair

[2:15:16] Voice 12: um so the staff report is outlining um that there are two violence feedbacks the ltc for

[2:15:24] Voice 12: consideration of adoption um this would amount to the land use bylaw and the additional community

[2:15:31] Voice 12: plan um to rezone and redesignate four properties to nature protection um these so the two bylaws

[2:15:43] Voice 12: were sent to islands from the executive committee um in or on October 5th, 2022 and they were

[2:15:50] Voice 12: approved the ocp bylaw was sent to the administrator from you and it was approved on may 4th so now the

[2:15:57] Voice 12: two bylaws are back to the ltc and your option here as stated on the first page of the staff

[2:16:04] Voice 12: report is to um adopt both of these bylaws thank you okay thank you uh any questions

[2:16:11] Voice 10: no i really

[2:16:14] Voice 10: don't on these ones and this is something that was undertaken by previous

[2:16:17] Voice 10: is cut fees and it's gone through the process and uh here we are we're just buttoning it up so uh

[2:16:25] Voice 10: straight away since i'll uh make a pregnant uh motion that the galliano island local trust

[2:16:33] Voice 10: committee proposed bylaw number 231 cited as galliano island official community plan bylaw

[2:16:38] Voice 10: number 108 1995 amendment number 14 2001 be adopted

[2:16:43] Voice 12: so many seconded any further discussion

[2:16:47] Voice 12: all those in favor motion carries the next motion please that the galliano local trust committee

[2:16:54] Voice 12: proposed bylaw number 232 cited as the galliano land use bylaw number 127 1999 amendment number

[2:17:04] Voice 12: three 2011 the adoptal

[2:17:07] Voice 3: we have consented any further discussion

[2:17:10] Voice 12: all the questions all in favor

[2:17:12] Voice 12: and that motion carries as well okay then uh that brings us on to the reports sections

[2:17:24] Voice 12: we have the active projects report at page 85 future projects at 86 and planning.com

[2:17:30] Voice 12: yes um i would recommend to the lpc to consider now that the um bylaws have been adopted for

[2:17:38] Voice 12: active project number two which is to be zoning mdl 64 68 72 and 87 now we've removed from your

[2:17:45] Voice 12: active projects list do

[2:17:47] Voice 10: we need a motion for that i

[2:17:50] Voice 12: have it in the past so why don't we go for it

[2:17:55] Voice 12: and then i'll i'll try to figure that out emotions in the future for removing items from the

[2:18:00] Voice 12: active projects list

[2:18:01] Voice 3: certainly i i think that's one of those things that are

[2:18:05] Voice 3: in some LTCs that have taken off the list as a matter of course when it's completed and some

[2:18:09] Voice 3: it takes a motion so we'll do the motion because that's what the expectation is we can get further

[2:18:15] Voice 3: I'm just going to check in because I'm going to see that uh a

[2:18:18] Voice 12: handout from the minute taker

[2:18:19] Voice 12: just want to check in and make sure uh we didn't get anything from you okay hands down all right

[2:18:27] Voice 12: um

[2:18:27] Voice 9: so

[2:18:29] Voice 10: go ahead trustees uh yeah in consideration of the approval of the resigning appeal 6468

[2:18:37] Voice 10: say 737 like to make a motion to remove um i

[2:18:42] Voice 12: assume this application uh from the active

[2:18:45] Voice 12: projects report moved and seconded any further discussion i'll call the question all in favor

[2:18:54] Voice 3: and that motion carries and anything on the future projects report kind of stopped it thank you chair

[2:19:02] Voice 12: So, not to, I don't want to discuss actually what's on it, but I did receive a piece of correspondence where the writer thought that the number system was related to the importance of a potential future project, and

[2:19:21] Voice 12: that's actually not the case.

[2:19:22] Voice 12: numbers given when that project is actually added to the list so it's date associated it's the

[2:19:28] Voice 12: numbers are associated with the importance of the projects i just wanted to make community members

[2:19:36] Voice 12: aware of that great thank you for that anything from the trustees on the no product um i i would

[2:19:43] Voice 12: just like to you know have

[2:19:44] Voice 10: this thought about you know putting another project up there for number

[2:19:48] Voice 12: the two then what we would like to see out of there yeah yeah yeah you can see this um

[2:20:05] Voice 3: sure and and uh you know let's point out that uh some ltcs at this point would uh would uh request

[2:20:15] Voice 3: to either a special meeting or a portion of the meeting actually sort of have a little bit of a

[2:20:20] Voice 3: sit down workshop a little brainstorm and so we might want to consider that as as something we

[2:20:26] Voice 3: we might want to do to identify the next project it's you know

[2:20:32] Voice 10: i mean i think i think that's not

[2:20:34] Voice 10: a bad idea at the apc meeting and sort of go through what i

[2:20:38] Voice 12: think the priorities are yeah

[2:20:39] Voice 12: Yeah, that's a great idea.

[2:20:41] Voice 12: Okay, so we'll leave that for now and we'll get back to it.

[2:20:48] Voice 3: All right, well, we're just moving right along to the applications report dated June 2023,

[2:20:56] Voice 3: it's page 88.

[2:20:57] Voice 3: Anything on that?

[2:20:58] Voice 12: No, everything is updated.

[2:20:59] Voice 12: As the LTP knows, I had to remove the DDP for Westlander's office agenda as there was

[2:21:07] Voice 12: is an issue with the draft permit and also the property owner is including further variances

[2:21:14] Voice 12: so i hope to bring that application back to the september meeting okay

[2:21:21] Voice 3: and right then so on page nine we have the trustee local expense report dated april 2023

[2:21:28] Voice 3: anything on that

[2:21:29] Voice 12: there's a motion to receive receive that and we have our adopted policies

[2:21:36] Voice 12: and some standing resolutions uh page 97. okay and anything on the trust committee web page

[2:21:46] Voice 12: and

[2:21:48] Voice 3: we have no island's justice report today so under new business we have the

[2:21:56] Voice 3: galeano island local trust committee freedom integration protection privacy bylaw number

[2:22:02] Voice 12: I'm sorry, I didn't realize that was, that's

[2:22:06] Voice 10: the new business thing.

[2:22:08] Voice 3: That's where it was done here.

[2:22:09] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:22:10] Voice 3: So at page 102, and

[2:22:16] Voice 12: he's been seeing a lot of these at the executive committee, because

[2:22:22] Voice 12: this whole organization is trying to update these.

[2:22:27] Voice 12: So I believe this is coming back from the executive committee for adoption.

[2:22:32] Voice 12: Pretty straightforward.

[2:22:33] Voice 12: forward yeah uh i'm gonna make the recommendation i'll uh make the motion uh the galliano local

[2:22:41] Voice 12: trust committee bylaw 209. sorry for that last night too so i did the galliano local trust

[2:22:49] Voice 12: committee freedom of information and protection uh privacy bylaws number 290 of 2023 be adopted

[2:22:59] Voice 12: so moved and you have a second yeah one second the second any further discussion

[2:23:05] Voice 12: i'll call the question all in favor that motion carries and then next we have

[2:23:13] Voice 12: the uh local trust

[2:23:15] Voice 3: committee bylaw number 289 bylaw enforcement notification amendment they

[2:23:20] Voice 3: have a staff report attached i believe we have uh manager digman here online with us so i believe i

[2:23:29] Voice 3: we'll turn it over to him at this point good

[2:23:32] Voice 6: afternoon chair good

[2:23:34] Voice 3: afternoon uh

[2:23:35] Voice 6: the amendment

[2:23:37] Voice 6: bylaw is for the bylaw enforcement notice uh bylaw and what it there have been amendments made

[2:23:46] Voice 6: one at the request of the local trust committee uh regarding a ensuring that there is a

[2:23:54] Voice 6: a contravention in the schedule for the land use bylaw for the bend bylaw for people not confining

[2:24:02] Voice 6: their livestock to their property that has been added to the schedule a and there have been

[2:24:10] Voice 6: corrections and amendments made because of amendments to the land use bylaw and there

[2:24:16] Voice 6: have been corrections made to discounted penalty amounts because in some cases in the original

[2:24:21] Voice 6: adopted version the penalty amount and the discounted amount were the same and so small

[2:24:29] Voice 6: errors like that have been corrected other than that it is substantially the same as the original

[2:24:36] Voice 6: version okay

[2:24:39] Voice 10: thank you about any questions for the manager yeah so it was my understanding before

[2:24:48] Voice 10: before the farmhouse not being confined to the property

[2:24:53] Voice 10: that we were going to get a report on to justify

[2:24:55] Voice 10: putting that in the schedule.

[2:25:00] Voice 10: We haven't received that report.

[2:25:03] Voice 10: I've done a little research myself.

[2:25:05] Voice 10: We actually got animal control officers with the CRD

[2:25:09] Voice 10: and with the province,

[2:25:10] Voice 10: and I'm not sure that it's necessary

[2:25:12] Voice 10: to duplicate that process.

[2:25:15] Voice 10: sets so we didn't get a report to justify the inclusion of that into the schedule so i cannot

[2:25:23] Voice 10: support that until we receive justification work and i look at the schedule a and i'm baffled as to

[2:25:33] Voice 10: how we managed to come up with six pages of vines some of this don't even exist on this island

[2:25:46] Voice 10: and more um i support the fines on stv arts right i don't think i support the fines on

[2:25:57] Voice 10: uh many other things in this schedule a so um it would be my recommendation that we

[2:26:05] Voice 10: review schedule a and find out what's pertinent and then bring on

[2:26:12] Voice 10: a revised schedule back to the local trust committee for consideration

[2:26:19] Voice 10: but i i can't um i cannot support this uh type of stuff anything we asked for that word to be done

[2:26:32] Voice 10: it was just a line was included in the schedule that was what we asked for

[2:26:36] Voice 12: okay i don't recall us pretty sure the summary report summary and the rationale for adoption

[2:26:44] Voice 12: i'm satisfied i'd be ready to please uh

[2:26:51] Voice 10: okay thank you

[2:26:54] Voice 12: uh was there anything further uh venture work

[2:26:56] Voice 12: no i

[2:26:58] Voice 6: actually to address the concerns about a report i thought all of that was done at a

[2:27:03] Voice 6: previous meeting and actually in camera where we addressed uh those concerns about this matter

[2:27:09] Voice 6: as far as confining uh ensuring that there was a contravention confining livestock to the owner's

[2:27:14] Voice 6: property so if i misunderstood you

[2:27:18] Voice 9: know i believe that

[2:27:21] Voice 9: the report was already

[2:27:22] Voice 6: i believe the report

[2:27:26] Voice 6: was already submitted that was my understanding and that the request was from the ldc to move

[2:27:32] Voice 6: forward with this okay

[2:27:35] Voice 9: we heard you that time um trustees

[2:27:48] Voice 9: uh

[2:27:51] Voice 12: okay then so we have uh we have are you looking at the recommended don't you say i don't make the

[2:27:57] Voice 12: motion that the galena local trust committee by law 289 cited that the local trust committee

[2:28:05] Voice 12: by law enforcement notification by law number 228 2011 amendment number one

[2:28:13] Voice 12: 2023 we met the first time

[2:28:16] Voice 3: so moved uh i'll go ahead and second that and uh further discussion

[2:28:22] Voice 10: no i'm not going to support someone okay and it's pretty obvious you guys are

[2:28:28] Voice 10: all right

[2:28:29] Voice 12: i'll give you the opportunity though okay all those in favor okay

[2:28:35] Voice 3: the motion carries

[2:28:35] Voice 3: okay

[2:28:36] Voice 12: uh motion that galliano local trust committee uh bylaw 289 cited as a galliano

[2:28:44] Voice 12: local trust committee bylaw enforcement of patient bylaw number 228 2011 amendment number one

[2:28:52] Voice 12: 2023 be read a second time so i'll second that anything further discussion i'll call the question

[2:29:00] Voice 12: all in favor and i should have to give you the opportunity

[2:29:05] Voice 10: any opposed yes thank you very much

[2:29:07] Voice 10: i'll record it too please

[2:29:11] Voice 9: go ahead through

[2:29:19] Voice 4: the chairman confirming that

[2:29:20] Voice 4: was record that it'll

[2:29:22] Voice 4: be recorded the opposition yes please okay yeah

[2:29:29] Voice 12: i moved that the galena local trust committee

[2:29:32] Voice 12: bylaw 289 cited as the galena local trust committee bylaw enforcement presentation bylaw

[2:29:38] Voice 12: number 228 2011 amendment number one 2023 be read after that moved and i would second that

[2:29:46] Voice 12: anything further call the question on paper any opposed trustee may really oppose uh motion's

[2:29:57] Voice 12: period.

[2:30:00] Voice 12: move that the galliano local trust committee bylaw 289 cited as the galliano local trust

[2:30:05] Voice 12: committee bylaw enforcement notification bylaw 2011 amendment number one 2023

[2:30:12] Voice 12: being forwarded to the secretary of the allen's trust for approval by the executive

[2:30:19] Voice 12: so moved i'll second that any further discussion

[2:30:23] Voice 3: don't call the question all in favor any opposed

[2:30:27] Voice 3: justin mabry opposed motion

[2:30:28] Voice 12: carries okay all right so under upcoming meetings uh

[2:30:40] Voice 12: start a new business for me we have one more piece of new business i'd like to make a motion

[2:30:46] Voice 12: to release the legal uh summary of legal opinion oh okay okay all right we didn't mention that

[2:30:52] Voice 12: before um

[2:30:52] Voice 3: so i think you may want to uh i believe it's the executive committee that so i think the

[2:30:59] Voice 12: motion is to request

[2:31:00] Voice 3: the executive committee

[2:31:01] Voice 10: yeah okay sure yeah i'd like to make a motion

[2:31:04] Voice 10: to request that the executive committee release a summary of the legal opinion

[2:31:10] Voice 12: do you want to just refer to it for specifically

[2:31:13] Voice 10: about that to stop

[2:31:14] Voice 12: i was going to say we should

[2:31:15] Voice 12: probably add in one little opinion so the legal opinion in terms of perception there you go

[2:31:26] Voice 12: all right uh

[2:31:30] Voice 9: so we've got

[2:31:31] Voice 12: this check-in

[2:31:32] Voice 12: was there a four-minute take or there what did you got for that

[2:31:36] Voice 12: sir

[2:31:39] Voice 4: you're breaking up um i had that the uh it was moved that the galeano local trust committee

[2:31:45] Voice 4: uh request that the executive committee release a summary of the legal opinion section b

[2:31:53] Voice 4: B, groundwater.

[2:31:54] Voice 12: P.

[2:31:57] Voice 12: Section P.

[2:31:58] Voice 4: P.

[2:32:00] Voice 12: Here's a pop-up.

[2:32:02] Voice 12: Got it.

[2:32:04] Voice 12: Groundwater sustainability,

[2:32:07] Voice 12: will the project or schedule, what was that?

[2:32:11] Voice 12: I'm gonna say the broadband.

[2:32:11] Voice 12: Broadband.

[2:32:12] Voice 4: Okay, got it, thank you.

[2:32:15] Voice 3: Okay, thank you so much.

[2:32:17] Voice 3: So moved, do I have a seconder for that?

[2:32:20] Voice 3: Moved and seconded, any further discussion?

[2:32:22] Voice 3: Not seeing any, we'll call it a question.

[2:32:25] Voice 12: all those in favor and that motion carries okay so anything further right so the

[2:32:37] Voice 3: next uh regular

[2:32:38] Voice 3: meeting is scheduled for july 11th um right here at the galliano community hall and with that uh

[2:32:47] Voice 3: we do have another town hall session uh scheduled so i will uh remind everybody to

[2:32:57] Voice 3: be sustained speaking the issues uh the workplace

[2:33:01] Voice 12: for most staff members working here at home and

[2:33:05] Voice 3: uh look

[2:33:05] Voice 12: for him i see some hands in the back go right into the back first hi this is just my own

[2:33:11] Voice 12: um opinion and comments not representing anybody else and my family or anybody else anyway so i

[2:33:17] Voice 12: just want to bring up that what i mentioned before about in the ocp that the planners brought in my

[2:33:27] Voice 12: regards to forestry lots that we are required and the word is very vague about any

[2:33:35] Voice 12: increasing density of a forestry lot you now have to create either an amenity lot or

[2:33:42] Voice 12: do a monetary donation of an amenity lot that we go to community housing or whatever which

[2:33:50] Voice 12: we've been asked to do with our next month's public meeting and we don't have a problem with

[2:33:55] Voice 12: that and as trustee mabry mentioned that the previous application should also then be asked

[2:34:02] Voice 12: to do the same because they are creating density with you know for proposed for new dwellings

[2:34:10] Voice 12: on f3 lots and an illegal dwelling on an f1 lot and i have no problem with their

[2:34:17] Voice 12: um application whatsoever i just want them us to be treated equally i mean we're both forestry lots

[2:34:23] Voice 12: So if we have to provide an amenity lot, then they should provide an amenity lot.

[2:34:27] Voice 12: If they don't provide an amenity lot, then we shouldn't have to provide an amenity lot.

[2:34:32] Voice 12: I would want it to be all figured fairly. That's what I would like to put out there.

[2:34:35] Voice 12: Thank you. Thank you for that.

[2:34:40] Voice 12: Yes. I would like to, I don't know if it's too late,

[2:34:43] Voice 12: but I would like to support what Trustee Mayer was saying about the new bylaws.

[2:34:49] Voice 12: I think that they should be considered.

[2:34:51] Voice 12: I haven't, unfortunately, read them through very well, but I understand one example is that through protected lots, can't remember the correct term, but through the protected lots, nature protected lots, you would get fined if a horse goes through it, but you can take dogs through it.

[2:35:10] Voice 3: if you consider what a dog does in nature protection areas they can create a lot more

[2:35:16] Voice 3: habits they go off trail all the time even if you say they should be on the leash they are

[2:35:21] Voice 12: 50 or more off the leash and i'm not saying that people shouldn't take dogs on there i'm just saying

[2:35:29] Voice 12: if the reason for a lot is to protect

[2:35:34] Voice 3: something then it shouldn't do things aside by some the

[2:35:39] Voice 3: majority because their

[2:35:41] Voice 12: their animals are doing they have more of that kind of animal there's

[2:35:45] Voice 12: less horses or horse walks on the trail the person is in control of it just like a vehicle so

[2:35:50] Voice 12: that law by itself doesn't

[2:35:53] Voice 3: make sense so i mean i and i didn't look at all the laws but if that

[2:35:58] Voice 3: type of law is getting put in there or because we're going to get fined for not having as much

[2:36:02] Voice 3: damage as other people are covering

[2:36:04] Voice 12: that does not seem like a fair law so i am not opposed to

[2:36:08] Voice 12: to bylaws i'm not opposed to fines but from what i understand those laws it should be looked at

[2:36:15] Voice 12: that's all okay thank you for that

[2:36:17] Voice 3: certainly if the local traffic committee could choose to do a

[2:36:21] Voice 3: review of the bylaws uh yes right in front yeah

[2:36:25] Voice 12: with respect to wise island again um

[2:36:29] Voice 12: i would urge our council to help us help us help us to to mitigate these issues um

[2:36:37] Voice 12: just just quickly we mentioned that the rest of the folks had to leave and catch up here and go

[2:36:42] Voice 12: back but so there's 48 properties and until very recently i think it's 2021 there's been

[2:36:50] Voice 12: or very few um bylaw issues and then all of a sudden there's this mass non-conformity

[2:36:59] Voice 12: i would suggest that the mass non-conformity reflects more on the bylaw than it does

[2:37:05] Voice 12: on Wise Island itself. We heard in various other applications people talking about emergency

[2:37:13] Voice 12: access, emergency access, emergency access, an animal corridor. We would like an animal

[2:37:18] Voice 12: corridor to get down and off the island. I don't mean it to be silly, but the basis

[2:37:29] Voice 10: of these complaints

[2:37:30] Voice 12: are based off of a

[2:37:32] Voice 10: whimsical complaint

[2:37:37] Voice 12: by one or two people that are

[2:37:40] Voice 12: unfortunately I think would appear using Islands Trust as a weapon against their neighbor for

[2:37:48] Voice 12: whatever complaint it might be and I don't think it's a good use of your time

[2:37:53] Voice 12: is gobbling up a lot of our time so to put it to bed somehow help us help ourselves so that we can

[2:38:02] Voice 12: just get out of this and and make it fair and equitable and we can have solar panels to power

[2:38:09] Voice 12: off the island okay uh yes yeah um my name is lucy smith i am the chair of the phoenix

[2:38:22] Voice 12: I can't speak on their behalf because I have not gone to the board yet, but I would just

[2:38:28] Voice 12: like the LTC to consider given the climate crisis, which the Islands Trust has recognized,

[2:38:36] Voice 12: given that our OCP under the climate change section recognizes the importance of solar

[2:38:42] Voice 12: energy. Given the provincial announcement just a few days ago that they're trying to encourage

[2:38:51] Voice 12: solar and wind on especially communities that are off-grid, that it could be very sensitive

[2:38:58] Voice 12: and responsive to the importance of encouraging solar energy on the White

[2:39:03] Voice 12: Side, which is an off-grid island. And also given that the Islands Trust

[2:39:08] Voice 12: Council itself has a resolution to support solar energy a few years ago because we went there and

[2:39:17] Voice 12: they passed a resolution on that. So I just like to be very sensitive to this reality

[2:39:21] Voice 12: on Wise Island. I didn't come here to speak about that. I was kind of shocked by it. But we don't

[2:39:28] Voice 12: want to encourage these people to go diesel. We don't want to encourage them to take the trees

[2:39:33] Voice 12: we want to encourage them to go solar and there we are so let's do what we can to make that happen

[2:39:41] Voice 12: as fast as possible rather than them being um charged with bylaw increases i get that they

[2:39:48] Voice 12: aren't really going to buy a lot but let's fix it well thank you okay thank you for having me yes

[2:39:59] Voice 12: I'm just trying to ask, if we could be moved up to the priority list, and we want to have

[2:40:05] Voice 12: a few projects that are complete, and just ask if we could be next on the line.

[2:40:12] Voice 12: That would be great.

[2:40:13] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:40:15] Voice 12: Thank you for that.

[2:40:17] Voice 12: Anyone else for town hall?

[2:40:22] Voice 12: Yes.

[2:40:23] Voice 12: uh that there was uh yet there was still some confusion being expressed at the town hall

[2:40:33] Voice 12: about uh the various options for rezoning forest lots for blind purposes and just to be clear i

[2:40:40] Voice 12: think uh somebody earlier said pointed out there were basically two options in the uh there were

[2:40:49] Voice 12: two options in the official community plan for rezoning for bowling use in the f1 zone one of

[2:40:57] Voice 10: that

[2:40:57] Voice 12: one one was to go to f3 the minimum lot size of 50 acres and that's what uh former trustee

[2:41:05] Voice 12: rockefeller and her family are proposing to do there is another there was another option which

[2:41:12] Voice 12: has continued as local trust committee practice to agree that forest landowners who were willing

[2:41:23] Voice 12: to exchange 75 percent of their land and transfer that to a some kind of conservation

[2:41:31] Voice 12: organization maybe maybe in the future indigenous organizations

[2:41:45] Voice 12: would have the right to a higher density than one in 50 acres that for every 20 acres that are

[2:41:54] Voice 12: transferred there would be a right to a five acre house right there were certain things in that

[2:42:00] Voice 12: in that precedent or in that practice involving that it should be no more than it should cover

[2:42:15] Voice 12: that the dwelling should cover no more than one third of the waterfront and that one lot

[2:42:23] Voice 12: be uh dedicated to affordable housing one way or the other sale and that's what

[2:42:30] Voice 12: the model would be like panorama kind of around the states up at the top of the

[2:42:35] Voice 12: political drive did that recall therapy i think the first lot sold went to the

[2:42:40] Voice 12: galleon island housing society front stage drive um seniors housing but it's important

[2:42:51] Voice 12: important to realize that don't confuse the f3 with the what's called the rural residential

[2:43:00] Voice 12: heritage forest option where there are many more things involved and they are well both

[2:43:07] Voice 12: have their complications but it's important not to confuse between doing apples and oranges

[2:43:14] Voice 12: uh comparison and start to want new conditions on a proposal that as far as i can tell uh actually

[2:43:23] Voice 12: does conform with the uh official community plan by proposing to go to uh

[2:43:30] Voice 12: sustainable sustainable forestry government

[2:43:33] Voice 9: anyone else

[2:43:48] Voice 12: all right then uh well let's see any more hands uh we'll call for adjournments

[2:43:57] Voice 12: all

[2:43:57] Voice 3: right thank you everybody thank you guys

[2:44:00] Voice 3: thank you so much everyone online for uh helping us out on your end