Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, June 22, 2023

[0:04:42] Voice 23: here a future here um my friends many

[0:04:47] Voice 8: of them in the same boat some that wanted to

[0:04:51] Voice 8: attend this morning but they couldn't you know they need to go to work um pay the bills so um

[0:04:58] Voice 8: you know i spoke passionately about it at the open house

[0:05:03] Voice 11: and and um got into it with with a

[0:05:07] Voice 11: couple of people and and one was saying well you know what so there's a bigger picture here

[0:05:12] Voice 11: that you need to look at and so i said what is that and um and they went on to say well you know

[0:05:18] Voice 11: we're going to have less water in the future it's about water we won't have enough water

[0:05:22] Voice 8: and so i um i went on to say well how about looking at bermuda it's an island that's a

[0:05:30] Voice 8: similar size to salt spring and they have 40 something plus thousand people there and no real

[0:05:38] Voice 8: great source of fresh water. 50 to 70 percent of the water comes from rain water and desalinization

[0:05:45] Voice 8: is used at a grand scale. They went on to say well you know they

[0:05:52] Voice 11: figured I knew nothing about

[0:05:53] Voice 11: what I was talking about and that I must be some kind of an idiot because Salt Spring is clearly

[0:05:59] Voice 11: much smaller than Bermuda and it's a much larger island. So I thought well I was kind of taken back

[0:06:05] Voice 11: well maybe they're right. Anyways when I went home I googled it and lo and behold I was wrong but

[0:06:16] Voice 23: only

[0:06:16] Voice 11: in the fact that they're not really a similar size. Bermuda is actually much smaller

[0:06:20] Voice 11: than Salt Spring Island and there's more than 45,000 people there's over 65,000 people on Bermuda

[0:06:27] Voice 11: and it's a you know as a tourist-based economy there and they seem to be thriving

[0:06:31] Voice 11: And not to think that we're ever going to have 65,000 people here anytime soon, or in any foreseeable future, but I think the point is that we have clearly more than enough water here to facilitate some workforce ownership housing projects, as well as, you know, pass this bylaw 530 and feel completely confident in it and that it's meeting the official community plan,

[0:06:56] Voice 8: and we can feel good about it.

[0:07:04] Voice 8: And that's without us even looking at storage or rainwater on a large scale when it comes to our fresh water.

[0:07:14] Voice 8: It's a shame.

[0:07:16] Voice 8: We've had some NGOs promoting

[0:07:18] Voice 11: some false information and the sky is falling type of narrative,

[0:07:23] Voice 11: which has had a, you know, really

[0:07:26] Voice 8: a negative impact on our community's social well-being,

[0:07:30] Voice 8: driving climate anxiety and driving polarization.

[0:07:38] Voice 8: real people are suffering from this housing crisis and again this bylaw 530 is at least a start it's

[0:07:46] Voice 8: a drop in the bucket of what we really need to have done um but it's a start and and i'm i really

[0:07:52] Voice 8: um support it and i will continue to talk passionately about these things whether i'm

[0:07:58] Voice 8: a trustee or not and i will never apologize for doing so um second

[0:08:03] Voice 11: on the list for this report

[0:08:04] Voice 11: We had a great educational session regarding the range and extent of our forest biogeoclimactic zones that the Islands Trust followed in.

[0:08:13] Voice 11: There's been some contention over that with governmental organizations and non-governmental organizations and community special interest groups that have

[0:08:23] Voice 8: been promoting false information as to the range and extent of our forest zone.

[0:08:27] Voice 8: There was the fellow who, one of the fellows who developed the biogeoclimactic classification zones was, you know, hired on for this educational session for trustees.

[0:08:42] Voice 8: I hope staff can actually access the recording of it, because it would be very advantageous, I feel.

[0:08:49] Voice 8: the two zones

[0:08:53] Voice 11: that we fall under one is the coastal western hemlock zone and the other is

[0:08:56] Voice 11: the coastal Douglas fern zone it has been said by governmental organizations and non-governmental

[0:09:04] Voice 11: organizations in the last few years that you know it exists our zones exist nowhere else but here

[0:09:12] Voice 11: nowhere else in the world and we've I've been arguing it with others that this simply isn't

[0:09:16] Voice 11: true and so a big success with this um educational session the fellow who designed it specified

[0:09:23] Voice 11: clearly that our zones extend way down into oregon and actually the bulk of the cdf even the sub zone

[0:09:32] Voice 11: which they are which we are in um which is hard to grasp i understand but this costa douglas

[0:09:38] Voice 11: for moist maritime zone is also located in oregon um it could be another sub zone but

[0:09:46] Voice 8: enough studies um studies haven't been done enough to um to confirm that but as it stands now

[0:09:53] Voice 8: that's the same zone as that we are in now so definitely this zone is much greater than just

[0:09:59] Voice 8: in the i.t area um and douglas for forests

[0:10:03] Voice 11: not just the zone are actually located in northern

[0:10:07] Voice 11: california and so this narrative that's stating we need to um you know come up with all these

[0:10:14] Voice 11: these heavy environmental policies because we live in such a rare area is doesn't hold as much water

[0:10:21] Voice 11: with myself and many others and i'll continue to argue that fact um mr

[0:10:25] Voice 8: chair can someone from the

[0:10:27] Voice 8: floor bring up a point of order um no well i suggest that

[0:10:33] Voice 14: you pull the agenda time on

[0:10:36] Voice 10: well thank you for that we we did we did amend the agenda to

[0:10:40] Voice 17: get trustee reports right now

[0:10:42] Voice 17: but thank thank you for that and i believe

[0:10:44] Voice 11: trustee harris is thank you probably

[0:10:46] Voice 11: getting close very

[0:10:48] Voice 11: close to the end so again a big success with that forestry educational system it'll be great if the

[0:10:53] Voice 11: public could access that too i'm not sure if that's possible but um i'm sure it would be nice

[0:10:58] Voice 11: um we also had a um you know kind of a an interesting thing happened a week or so ago um

[0:11:05] Voice 11: we had a protester nude out in front of the island's trust office i don't know if anybody's

[0:11:10] Voice 11: cervical that um they were um protesting they were quite

[0:11:15] Voice 8: upset about some bylaw enforcement

[0:11:17] Voice 8: actions that they were it was involved with them um you know it's

[0:11:23] Voice 11: it does sound funny i realize

[0:11:24] Voice 11: but it's it's serious as well and um and we are looking at

[0:11:29] Voice 8: what's happening by law enforcement

[0:11:31] Voice 8: something we take very seriously and we're hoping to um to make some movement um you know you know

[0:11:39] Voice 8: hopefully having a closer look at the system and in the hopes of getting to the bottom of some of these complaints and protests that have been going on.

[0:11:47] Voice 8: But with that, over to you, Christy Patrick.

[0:11:56] Voice 8: I just want to remind everyone that

[0:11:59] Voice 17: you've done this beginning.

[0:12:00] Voice 17: Yeah, for the sake of this meeting, and this will also pertain to the public town hall session.

[0:12:07] Voice 17: No clapping, no booing for for clearly for the same reason.

[0:12:13] Voice 17: We don't want anyone booing, therefore we don't want anyone clapping.

[0:12:16] Voice 17: Thank you. No nudity, please.

[0:12:20] Voice 17: That should be done in the privacy of your own home or at an appropriate location.

[0:12:26] Voice 17: Trustee Patrick.

[0:12:28] Trustee Patrick: And I think it must be lecture day, because normally I say about all the meetings I attend.

[0:12:33] Trustee Patrick: I did attend a lot of meetings, but I'll vary from that.

[0:12:37] Trustee Patrick: They're not going into those details.

[0:12:39] Trustee Patrick: I also get a bit frustrated.

[0:12:41] Trustee Patrick: I get portrayed as being anti-environmental and a developer in the press, and I can tell

[0:12:46] Trustee Patrick: you that is not me.

[0:12:48] Trustee Patrick: And I know it's easy to take shots of the elected when you're on that side of the table,

[0:12:54] Trustee Patrick: but I want to talk a little bit about what the responsibilities and what I have on this

[0:12:58] Trustee Patrick: side of the table.

[0:12:59] Trustee Patrick: We do have an official community plan that was updated in 2008, and it contains a lot of good statements, and it needs to be taken as a whole.

[0:13:10] Trustee Patrick: In general, the OCP does envision a diverse community living within the constraints of an island.

[0:13:15] Trustee Patrick: It does envision that choices will have to be made and that limits may be needed on some forms of housing.

[0:13:21] Trustee Patrick: But I don't understand is how the conversation has evolved over the years to think that the limits of housing options need to be applied to those that serve the middle and lower ends of the housing spectrum while the upper end continues virtually unrestricted.

[0:13:38] Trustee Patrick: Nowhere in the OCP does it tell us who gets to live on this island or not.

[0:13:44] Trustee Patrick: So I'm in this scene. It's my job to have to be able to interpret the OCP.

[0:13:48] Trustee Patrick: back in 2008 trustees peter and george did approve the the ocp that we currently have

[0:13:54] Trustee Patrick: and they did a good attempt to try to involve everyone they could in creating it in 2009

[0:14:01] Trustee Patrick: trustees george and christine received a housing needs assessment it predicted a steady increase

[0:14:07] Trustee Patrick: in population for the next 30 years said while the annual increase increases are not particularly

[0:14:13] Trustee Patrick: large, an overall increase of 30% is fairly significant and will have long-term planning

[0:14:19] Trustee Patrick: implications for not only housing, but all forms of housing related to infrastructure and services.

[0:14:25] Trustee Patrick: The 2009 Housing Needs Assessment described the substandard housing conditions that make up the

[0:14:31] Trustee Patrick: secondary rental market. That's where we rent. It said that the key informants confirmed

[0:14:39] Trustee Patrick: confirmed these findings. The housing supply is in poor condition, very expensive. They expressed

[0:14:46] Trustee Patrick: widespread distress about conditions that many people are forced to live in. No plumbing, running

[0:14:52] Trustee Patrick: water, heat, etc. Mold, rats, isolation. Several informants talked about slumlords or the equivalent

[0:14:59] Trustee Patrick: as the serious problem on Salt Spring. The category of exploitive landlords was reported to include

[0:15:07] Trustee Patrick: includes some who are also fraying on young women and other vulnerable

[0:15:10] Voice 23: people.

[0:15:20] Voice 23: So the trustees

[0:15:22] Trustee Patrick: of the day received that report.

[0:15:24] Trustee Patrick: And they did get a working group established with the CRD.

[0:15:28] Trustee Patrick: And they did create a housing strategy in 2011.

[0:15:32] Trustee Patrick: That's where Trustee Peter and George II came in.

[0:15:37] Trustee Patrick: And in 2013, they succeeded in getting one of the actions from the strategic plan implemented.

[0:15:43] Trustee Patrick: and that was an area of about 1,500 secondary suites were established.

[0:15:48] Trustee Patrick: But in 2014, North Salt Spring had the water moratorium,

[0:15:51] Trustee Patrick: which pretty much wiped out that entire map of 1,500 secondary suites.

[0:15:57] Trustee Patrick: In 2017, they initiated working on a second action,

[0:16:01] Trustee Patrick: which was the full-time rental cottages.

[0:16:03] Trustee Patrick: In 2020, about 450 of those lots were selected to allow for rental cottages.

[0:16:10] Trustee Patrick: I'm in the picture at this point, and I voted against that, because I thought a map based, you know, 400 lots across the island was not going to do anything.

[0:16:21] Trustee Patrick: So here we are today. I'm not going to growth.

[0:16:26] Trustee Patrick: Growth is happening pretty much as predicted bang on to that 2,009 housing needs assessment report.

[0:16:33] Trustee Patrick: report. And this growth has only put more pressure on the miserable housing conditions,

[0:16:41] Trustee Patrick: as described in that report, that our workforce is experiencing. I hope that we can get a version

[0:16:48] Trustee Patrick: of some accessory dwelling units that will facilitate some islanders housing islanders

[0:16:55] Trustee Patrick: legally. I want this, we have an OCP project that we're about to start, and I want this project to

[0:17:02] Trustee Patrick: really be a turning point uh for this this is an opportunity to create a proactive planning

[0:17:07] Trustee Patrick: project that truly sets us on a path to be prepared for the next 20 years this is our

[0:17:15] Trustee Patrick: chance to ensure all voices are represented in the community planning project that serves a diverse

[0:17:21] Trustee Patrick: community as leaders we need to make sure this project is resourced we need to be here to support

[0:17:29] Trustee Patrick: report our islands trust staff so that they can be creative and innovative and this is a real

[0:17:34] Trustee Patrick: opportunity to further reconciliation by embedding indigenous relations approach into the aspects of

[0:17:40] Trustee Patrick: this project so I look forward to the next stages and I really hope that we can work closely

[0:17:45] Trustee Patrick: together as a community and and be on more solid ground going forward that's

[0:17:52] Voice 8: my report thank you

[0:17:53] Voice 8: for that and for my chair's report

[0:17:56] Voice 17: i'll be very brief um on june 20th uh the stress conservancy

[0:18:02] Voice 17: announced uh the new livingston forest on my home island mesquite island of 11.35 hectares

[0:18:10] Voice 17: forest and wetland uh important habitat for species including the red light frog western toad

[0:18:16] Voice 17: and the little brown mitosis bat um so we're happy that's the first uh uh version of the uh

[0:18:25] Voice 17: island stress natural protection area tax exemption program to to take place on the

[0:18:30] Voice 17: skid island we're happy to see that there um at uh executive committee we've been focused on

[0:18:38] Voice 17: planning for next week's uh trust council meeting which is on gabriola the first time we'll be back

[0:18:43] Voice 17: on the islands since march of 2020 when we met here on salt spring so looking forward to that

[0:18:50] Voice 17: we're going to have a

[0:18:51] Voice 10: session on reconciliation with brent mueller from the ministry of municipal

[0:18:58] Voice 10: affairs we'll be working on a swat analysis and some

[0:19:03] Voice 17: interim strategic planning to carry us over

[0:19:08] Voice 17: through the next into the next fiscal while the new corporate plan is sort of finished I guess

[0:19:16] Voice 17: and approved by council which is a new direction for for trust council and I'm excited to see

[0:19:23] Voice 17: how that unfolds

[0:19:26] Voice 10: and hopefully provides efficiency and more clarity and a better planning process

[0:19:31] Voice 10: process that we've had in

[0:19:33] Voice 17: the past. So I'm going to leave it at that. And we're going to have the

[0:19:39] Voice 17: CRD's report at the normal section, which will be after delegations today. So the next section is

[0:19:47] Voice 17: the town hall section.

[0:19:49] Voice 10: There's a lot of people here. So I'm going to be using a timer and

[0:19:55] Voice 10: requesting that you all stay brief. And we hear this timer go off. Please wrap it up.

[0:20:01] Voice 10: also want to remind you that uh that we want comments that are um

[0:20:09] Voice 17: pertinent to the issues here please do not address uh personalities or individuals

[0:20:16] Voice 17: they stick to the issues use respectful language and that this is also a workplace for staff

[0:20:26] Voice 17: and uh and so i'm gonna i'm gonna look for a show of hands here in a moment

[0:20:32] Voice 17: and uh and i'm gonna i'm gonna give everyone uh uh a really brief uh uh yes

[0:20:40] Voice 8: sorry to interrupt

[0:20:42] Voice 8: i'm just wondering if we could give our report uh i'm gonna have to go um i'm not not sure about

[0:20:49] Voice 8: uh girl but um just wondering if we can briefly give our reports and then you can get into it

[0:20:55] Voice 8: we

[0:20:55] Voice 6: all have to go

[0:20:56] Voice 6: where you have the only one that has to go and i have live

[0:20:59] Voice 6: chicks at the

[0:20:59] Voice 6: from this office right

[0:21:00] Voice 8: now our reports are technical requirements so it's up to you okay

[0:21:05] Voice 17: well uh yeah i actually had just contemplated just moving up the trustee reports and that's what we

[0:21:11] Voice 17: agreed to the agenda so sorry about that gary but um we'll we'll get through this as as fast as we

[0:21:19] Voice 17: the reasonably can so i'm gonna look for a show of hands um of people who want to speak okay quite

[0:21:26] Voice 17: quite a lot so i'm going to start back in this corner and and after each speaker i'll just i'll

[0:21:31] Voice 17: just continue moving across the room this way so if you'd like to start please on the agenda

[0:21:37] Voice 8: the delegations are already on the agenda delegations

[0:21:42] Voice 17: is after town hall and questions

[0:21:43] Voice 17: yeah

[0:21:43] Voice 8: um

[0:21:47] Voice 17: okay so please go ahead and and and you've got two minutes okay

[0:21:53] Voice 8: thank you very much

[0:21:55] Voice 8: i'm here to speak with respect to the application that comes out this afternoon relative to the

[0:21:59] Voice 8: canada store application my name is burt hick i'm president of rising bank consultants i'm

[0:22:05] Voice 8: a former general manager of the medical licensing branch now the liquor cannabis regulation branch

[0:22:11] Voice 8: i have the last 35 years after we've generally had something in the hospitality industry we

[0:22:17] Voice 8: got into licensing cannabis stores the federal government legalized it and i wanted to speak

[0:22:22] Voice 8: to this application for a cannabis store my submission to you is i recommend you deny the

[0:22:29] Voice 8: application for all of the reasons it's not a great location it's uh location is close to the

[0:22:36] Voice 8: park which is for the marina and it's close to consumer that's not a great location when you

[0:22:43] Voice 8: have a cannabis store the best location to have it is in a commercial area close to a grocery store

[0:22:48] Voice 8: or drugstores, other like-minded stores not getting this location.

[0:22:53] Voice 8: The other concern I have is I just don't think Salt Spring Island

[0:22:57] Voice 8: has sufficient population to merit two stores.

[0:23:00] Voice 8: The basic thumb rule of cannabis is you have to have a population base

[0:23:05] Voice 8: of cannabis users in the area to use it.

[0:23:09] Voice 8: Now, here are the statistics.

[0:23:12] Voice 8: Your island has a population of about 11,000 people, plus the tourist bump.

[0:23:17] Voice 8: you take that out of that the miners so it brings it down to 8 000 would be adults and statistics

[0:23:26] bc show that the average use of cannabis in

[0:23:29] Voice 8: british columbia is about 32 percent of the

[0:23:31] Voice 8: population so you break that down you don't have a sufficient population to really support two stores

[0:23:37] Voice 8: we find this with other municipalities around the province but the provincial government opted out

[0:23:42] Voice 8: all they want to make certain is the site is a fit and proper person or suitable person

[0:23:49] Voice 8: it's up to the municipality we've had situations now

[0:23:55] Voice 8: victoria accountants are in it but they're just saturated with cannabis stores and there's not

[0:24:00] Voice 8: enough business to go around we just don't have enough cannabis smokers or consumers so quite a

[0:24:05] Voice 8: few stores are closing down you've still got the fire sale price in addition to that the bc

[0:24:11] Voice 8: government, which has their own government

[0:24:12] Voice 8: are reassessing their

[0:24:15] Voice 8: situation. They're going to be closing stores

[0:24:17] Voice 8: in markets like Kamloops and other places

[0:24:19] Voice 8: because they are not doing

[0:24:21] Voice 8: well. They're not making money.

[0:24:23] Voice 8: Can I ask you to sum up, please?

[0:24:24] Voice 8: Yeah, sure. And the other thing you'll have

[0:24:26] Voice 8: to recognize is this area

[0:24:28] Voice 8: has a substantial black market.

[0:24:30] Voice 8: It always has, always will.

[0:24:32] Voice 8: And that black market

[0:24:34] Voice 8: endures, and if you have too many

[0:24:36] Voice 8: private stores, they go down

[0:24:37] Voice 8: and the black market thrives.

[0:24:40] Voice 8: So there you go.

[0:24:41] Voice 8: thank you uh

[0:24:43] Voice 10: and next back in the score so yeah you'll be next yeah hello

[0:24:48] Voice 12: my name is ali george

[0:24:49] Voice 12: i am actually a uh an employee at harvest money cannabis so i'm here speaking on the same matter

[0:24:56] Voice 12: um he pretty much took my thunder there he pretty much said everything that i was going to say so

[0:25:02] Voice 12: thank you but for a while apparently i actually do have i have seen this business thrive and i'm

[0:25:08] Voice 12: really excited. I've lived on this island since 2007. I have

[0:25:13] Voice 8: a vested interest in local businesses

[0:25:15] Voice 8: doing well. So I did feel some conflict in hoping that a business was denied, but we already have

[0:25:22] Voice 8: this business that's been doing really well, but we are a newer business.

[0:25:26] Voice 12: But I have seen from a

[0:25:29] Voice 12: lot of customers that they were surprised that we were doing well because of the black and gray

[0:25:32] Voice 12: market. There are a lot of people who have their own guides or they go to the great marketplaces.

[0:25:39] Voice 12: We're doing all this type of stuff, but as he said, if we have another location in here,

[0:25:44] Voice 12: it would be a saturated market. And beyond that,

[0:25:48] Voice 12: I am very grateful to Country Groucho and the

[0:25:52] Voice 6: Wari Biz for what they provide for this community. If we

[0:25:55] Voice 12: went under, everyone that works at

[0:25:58] Voice 6: that country, I'm sorry, and harvest food would

[0:26:01] Voice 12: lose their

[0:26:01] Voice 8: benefits. We get 30 of us on top of

[0:26:03] Voice 8: the, sorry, the grocery store. And I feel proud to be a part of this business. I don't want to

[0:26:11] Voice 8: see it go under. I've seen what it can do for the community, actually. It's very filling

[0:26:15] Voice 6: work and I

[0:26:16] Voice 6: wouldn't want to see it go under the type of, it wouldn't be friendly competition. It would just

[0:26:22] Voice 8: be competition because we're already competing against the black and gray market. And I don't

[0:26:26] Voice 8: like seeing business segment off in those directions because then you're getting into

[0:26:31] Voice 8: areas where things

[0:26:32] Voice 12: aren't as regulated

[0:26:32] Voice 6: and people are having would be forced to buy products that

[0:26:37] Voice 6: perhaps aren't good or you know they're not regulated enough they could be getting edibles

[0:26:43] Voice 6: that perhaps are twice the strength or three times the strength i am always seeing a place

[0:26:49] Voice 6: where people can go and get cdb that they know is

[0:26:53] Voice 8: good and will help them i don't want people

[0:26:56] Voice 8: to have to go to black and gray market or businesses i'm too much because we already

[0:27:02] Voice 8: have a business that is doing really well and doing a lot yeah

[0:27:06] Voice 10: thank you and there's

[0:27:09] Voice 10: another hand in here in the back there

[0:27:10] Voice 15: yeah my name is julian clark i'd like to suggest for

[0:27:14] Voice 15: future meetings you might put delegations before the town hall i'm here to support the delegation

[0:27:18] Voice 15: that's coming to speak about the clean and safe harbor initiative but i know that after the

[0:27:24] Voice 15: delegation i won't have an opportunity to state my support but i do want to say that when people

[0:27:30] Voice 15: listen to glenn stevens and the delegation on the clean and safe harbor initiative it is a pro

[0:27:37] Voice 15: housing initiative all the things trustee patrick spoke about the slumlords the exploitive landlords

[0:27:44] Voice 15: the unsafe living conditions the inability to access clean water the inability to access

[0:27:50] Voice 15: a place to put your garbage and your sewage all of those things exist today in our harbor

[0:27:56] Voice 15: and if we can deal with that and address those issues we're going to find that there may be a

[0:28:03] Voice 15: solution to housing here if we can put our shoulder behind it so for all those folks to

[0:28:09] Voice 15: think when gwen speaks on this delegation that this is an anti-housing issue you're dead wrong

[0:28:15] Voice 15: it's a pro housing issue thank you okay and i

[0:28:21] Voice 8: think yes my name's rick tyson i'm a recovering

[0:28:25] Voice 8: drug addict um i support canada stores i do not support the location of the where this application

[0:28:33] Voice 8: is for the same reasons this gentleman but what we did miss was the library it steps away from

[0:28:39] the library um i believe that people where they're smoked or fired uh ganges is the best hub and i

[0:28:48] think families should have the option to seek out that if they if they would like but also stay

[0:28:54] clear in philly and with ganges being so close uh the

[0:28:58] Voice 8: bakery's there coffee shops choices i just

[0:29:03] Voice 8: don't feel it's great location thank you okay and still in the same area yeah

[0:29:10] Voice 25: okay yeah my name is

[0:29:12] Voice 25: jennifer mccoy i'm here to speak out against the safe harbor initiative i don't think that when

[0:29:18] Voice 25: stevens or anyone from that initiative ever met anybody on the house votes or went on any of the

[0:29:24] Voice 25: house votes and maybe when you do your delegation you can explain how you consider that you actually

[0:29:28] Voice 25: actually, because I was on a houseboat with a very, very beautiful houseboat. It's actually

[0:29:34] Voice 25: been featured in a coastal magazine. And I met the other liveaboards. The people there

[0:29:41] Voice 25: are, it's a lot of people saying that the people are just kind of like bums. I've already

[0:29:47] Voice 25: known because I work at Thrifty's, many of the people who work at Thrifty's live on the

[0:29:52] Voice 25: the water. And if it's put stress on them, then it's really part of our economy.

[0:30:00] Voice 25: and have enough staff to mostly keep the store running and this is a way that people are able to

[0:30:06] Voice 25: have housing there's a lot of discussion all the time about building more housing but the first

[0:30:11] Voice 25: thing should be done is don't displace those people who are already housed don't wrap yourself

[0:30:18] Voice 25: up into something kind of strange like what happened with series that's a bit strange because

[0:30:24] Voice 25: they didn't end up passing the injunction against the tenants that just came out yesterday so a lot

[0:30:29] Voice 25: these things have deeper ramifications that are then decided in court it caused a lot of trouble

[0:30:34] Voice 25: for a lot of people a lot of displacement and um i think the language around it like you know when

[0:30:40] Voice 25: julian's talking i never saw julian on any of the house votes so it's kind of like i

[0:30:45] Voice 10: just remind you

[0:30:46] Voice 10: to please not oh

[0:30:47] Voice 25: sorry about that anyways that's all i really wanted to say it's just that there's

[0:30:51] Voice 25: a real gap between without personally mentioning the names there's a huge uh gap already in the

[0:30:56] Voice 25: the community and then when you have people claiming that they've consulted people and they

[0:31:01] Voice 25: never even met them and i know that personally and it's just you know going to add to this trouble

[0:31:07] Voice 25: like you have to have real consultation yeah thanks okay thank you

[0:31:10] Voice 10: in the back there hi good

[0:31:13] Voice 8: morning my name is uh mark big rayburg and uh i work with the uh the management company that

[0:31:20] Voice 8: provides administration and accounting services uh for harvester so i'm here to speak uh regarding

[0:31:26] Voice 8: an application for the kind of a store i was at one of them i've been phillips uh just a little

[0:31:32] Voice 8: bit of my background i'm a chartered accountant and business value here uh you know my career

[0:31:37] Voice 8: i've worked on hundreds of business valuations and protections for as well as companies and

[0:31:43] Voice 8: startups companies and um you know i think what we're seeing here is that i think as you go and

[0:31:50] Voice 8: And Hannah's branch, you know, as I clearly mentioned, has given responsibility for the approval of stores to municipalities, unlike what they've done with liquor stores where, you know, they control the number of errors that are out there.

[0:32:06] Voice 8: I've worked on how it's resulted in over-sacrification in some markets.

[0:32:10] Voice 8: In this particular market, I would say that the market just is not big enough to support another store.

[0:32:16] Voice 8: You know, right now we've established a business that is viable, is earning a modest profit that will hopefully pay back the original investment over the next few years, is employing, you know, a number of people.

[0:32:30] Voice 8: But I know that, you know, if the sales were half what they are now, that was not a viable business.

[0:32:36] Voice 8: It would not be profitable.

[0:32:40] Voice 8: And both stores would suffer.

[0:32:43] Voice 8: So, you know, the proponent coming in, as well as our store in Suffer, it doesn't really, you know, improve the competitive requirements in terms of pricing and that sort of thing, because the pricing is very controlled by the LCRB.

[0:33:00] Voice 8: I mean, they've got their own stores, they have online sales, and, you know, we also have, as was mentioned, a black line there.

[0:33:08] Voice 8: So, for those reasons, I would recommend that I've gone to the LCRB.

[0:33:14] Voice 9: okay and for the hands along the side uh right by the door there it's

[0:33:19] Voice 14: back to the housing housing

[0:33:20] Voice 14: issue you know we've all heard stories about the young people can't afford to live here they can't

[0:33:26] Voice 14: get a place for them old people can't find a place to live but a real problem and it's all

[0:33:31] Voice 14: words in our room is jobs are not getting filled because people can't afford the rent over here

[0:33:38] Voice 14: and they can't find a place to rent so anybody in this room that thinks they're going to a hospital

[0:33:43] Voice 14: that's going to be guaranteed to be open because of nurses lab tech doctors that may not be the

[0:33:48] Voice 14: case everybody's got to think together to how to expand and fix this not trying to block it

[0:33:55] Voice 14: and not in my backyard okay

[0:33:58] Voice 23: and yes

[0:34:01] Voice 23: um

[0:34:02] Voice 8: i'm not going to be long-winded i just want to say that

[0:34:05] Voice 8: i've been an islander for 35

[0:34:06] Voice 6: years and i am opposed to the new pot shop because i think we

[0:34:12] Voice 6: have enough need around consults from to start off and uh what do you call it uh country grocer at

[0:34:17] Voice 6: least gives back community i don't know about

[0:34:19] Voice 8: the new people i don't know them but we have one pot

[0:34:23] Voice 8: shop that the owner gives back to the community and i think that's good enough

[0:34:29] Voice 10: okay uh yes and

[0:34:36] Voice 12: Hello, my name is Tammy Moulton. I've been on Salt Spring for 25 years, and I am also opposed to the application for the new cannabis store.

[0:34:48] Voice 12: I do feel that it is like a small island, that we do not need two governments. We only have one government liquor store. We only need one government cannabis store.

[0:34:59] Voice 12: our our population is not big enough to to honor that uh plus i don't see this person or this

[0:35:06] Voice 12: company uh being of the community like-minded um way that arm smooten has been um within our

[0:35:15] Voice 12: community uh they do give back quite a bit in our community and i just feel that it's going to help

[0:35:22] Voice 12: us lose jobs within our own company and it will also the location is a terrible location the two

[0:35:29] Voice 12: businesses that are beside this location are stressed out enough about the fact that this

[0:35:35] Voice 12: is even an issue or this is even a possibility um i think it should be denied and that's okay

[0:35:43] Voice 10: and then right behind yeah i think speaker

[0:35:47] Voice 14: two issues will touch briefly on uh the new um

[0:35:50] Voice 14: pop shop application i think if any more people get in that market so leave the other thing i

[0:35:54] Voice 14: like to talk about and that's the lack of affordable housing

[0:35:57] Voice 8: because of nobody to be more

[0:35:59] Voice 8: people looking for affordable housing you're not getting around that the second one is towards um

[0:36:06] Voice 8: that's 5 30. um i i live within the capture zone that was created for the product for events

[0:36:17] Voice 8: which was dead and lost because of um the water we don't have i think um

[0:36:25] Voice 8: the idea that not having enough water here is i just don't think that's accurate i think

[0:36:33] Voice 8: if we directed money now we're spending on enforcement towards solutions to have more

[0:36:38] Voice 8: than enough water and probably like i've been in two situations where through

[0:36:45] Voice 14: satellite imagery

[0:36:47] Voice 14: enforcement people showed up one time in farmer's field to arrest the tarp that he put there for

[0:36:55] Voice 14: or meat control that only identifies

[0:36:57] Voice 8: a shape, not an actual structure.

[0:36:59] Voice 8: The other one was a small cabin or shed

[0:37:04] Voice 8: that was being liberated from the black areas

[0:37:07] Voice 8: and repaired, and they zoomed in to see

[0:37:10] Voice 8: if someone was planning to inhabit it.

[0:37:15] Voice 8: That kind of money would go a lot,

[0:37:17] Voice 8: would get a lot more mileage into finding solutions

[0:37:19] Voice 8: for other problems, and maybe that should be redirected.

[0:37:23] Voice 8: The place I live in,

[0:37:26] Voice 8: I'm not allowed to have a suite.

[0:37:29] Voice 8: I'm not allowed to operate a boarding house.

[0:37:32] Voice 8: It's a three-bedroom house, and I live there by myself.

[0:37:35] Voice 8: My alternative is when I live in the house,

[0:37:38] Voice 8: it's a legally operated building.

[0:37:40] Voice 8: Is that what I want to do?

[0:37:41] Voice 8: No, I'd rather have a separate suite for people to live in.

[0:37:45] Voice 8: And I don't think me living in the lower levels

[0:37:47] Voice 8: in a lot of places in this old town compromises any security.

[0:37:52] Voice 8: We need to find more space.

[0:37:54] Voice 8: It's not creating more space.

[0:37:55] Voice 8: And there's a lot of people in that category who are moved here with family, kids are gone,

[0:38:01] Voice 8: they're in these big empty houses.

[0:38:04] Voice 8: The people are in here.

[0:38:06] Voice 15: And if you want to get into substandard housing, you could go down by the bank any morning

[0:38:12] Voice 8: and find milk trucks and motorhomes and trailers that you make, at least if there's policy

[0:38:20] Voice 8: in place with proper monitoring then i just see it in the wind thank you uh yes um

[0:38:30] Voice 12: my family my

[0:38:31] Voice 12: name is sherry michaud and my family has lived here since the mid 70s and i also just agree

[0:38:37] Voice 12: with the planning for the new pot store i agree that it's all about the location and um and

[0:38:49] Voice 8: Okay, you and

[0:38:51] Voice 10: doing this way in

[0:38:52] Voice 8: the back there. Yes, I was here to speak about the safe harbor initiative.

[0:38:59] Voice 8: Seems to me there's several layers to that conversation.

[0:39:05] Voice 8: My name is Chris Small. I've been a marine surveyor my entire career, almost 40 years.

[0:39:16] Voice 8: so i have some familiarity that's fascinating about there and the various issues at play

[0:39:24] Voice 8: but i think to separate the issue into some categories would be useful just reading some

[0:39:34] Voice 8: of the responses online to glenn's initiative there's a lot of conversation about people living

[0:39:43] Voice 8: living aboard. We haven't been consulted,

[0:39:45] Voice 16: etc. So I think we could spend a lot of time on that conversation rather than just focusing on whether it's a campground or a

[0:39:54] Voice 8: multi-unit condo complex, you can't release all your sewage out the door and forth those ways.

[0:40:03] Voice 8: That's happening in the harbor because it's out of sight, out of mind.

[0:40:06] Voice 8: so i think focus down on some solutions for from the key issues you could still create some housing

[0:40:17] Voice 8: allow the people there to live in a safe environment with a few rules to support it being

[0:40:24] Voice 8: done in a sanitary and safe way and then move out from there as to what enforcement is going to look

[0:40:33] Voice 8: like what all is the other issues so basically that's the gist of what i had to say focus on

[0:40:41] Voice 8: and break it apart focus on all issues and prioritize what the impacts are

[0:40:49] Voice 8: think it's a creative thinking collaboration you can provide housing and address the negative

[0:40:58] Voice 8: of that space yeah thank you thank

[0:41:03] Voice 10: you for that and continuing this way uh right against the back

[0:41:09] Voice 10: wall there hi

[0:41:11] Voice 25: my name is sheree gopro i'm the chair of driving around housing society

[0:41:16] Voice 25: you live right downtown downtown is not a safe place to be these

[0:41:26] Voice 12: days if you're marginal

[0:41:30] Voice 12: We have a place to go. We just arrived here. There's all kinds of situations

[0:41:35] Voice 25: out there right now.

[0:41:37] Voice 25: But we believe the Proc Store proposal for downtown Ganges is silly.

[0:41:45] Voice 25: That space needs

[0:41:46] Voice 12: to be a drop-in center for mental health, peer support, something

[0:41:52] Voice 12: where people can network, so they can share their lives. Where people can drop in and have a coffee,

[0:41:57] Voice 12: he said i'm walking around again and he's already lost and i'm crying okay

[0:42:05] Voice 23: thank you

[0:42:06] Voice 8: and then yes

[0:42:07] Voice 8: here i'm keeping sure joe clementi that's why you're back in the 70s i've been here for three

[0:42:11] Voice 8: years he retired from crd working country grocery part-time and she took the words right out of my

[0:42:17] Voice 8: mouth there's already two pot stores in town it's a small town walking distance where we have

[0:42:22] Voice 8: harvesting which is regulated country grocery and we have the one downtown we don't even we don't

[0:42:27] Voice 8: me okay next my

[0:42:32] Voice 6: name is liam gillifrey i will also keep it short i don't think we have enough

[0:42:36] Voice 6: of a population or two cannabis stores on the island like you did with me that we proposed

[0:42:42] Voice 6: cannabis store i also think like cherie said almost everybody said it's a you know it's a

[0:42:49] Voice 6: really bad location we already have enough going on downtown and we take my kids to

[0:42:58] Voice 8: we don't need more issues

[0:43:01] Voice 23: okay thank you and

[0:43:03] Voice 10: continuing this way yes

[0:43:05] Voice 12: i think there's a vaccine we like there and i want to say first of all it's great to see so

[0:43:10] Voice 12: many people here i wish we had more people like

[0:43:13] Voice 6: her more often

[0:43:13] Voice 12: i agree

[0:43:14] Voice 6: with the people who don't

[0:43:15] Voice 6: want the pop store i agree with people who want something done about the harbor problem

[0:43:20] Voice 6: it's just unacceptable they have human waste and garbage washing up on the shore

[0:43:26] Voice 6: it's uh bad for our tourist economy and it's disgusting uh and we need to address the fact

[0:43:33] Voice 6: that these people have no place to take their uh waste in the

[0:43:36] Voice 8: waiting months i understand so please

[0:43:39] Voice 8: take a really good look at what's being presented and hope it will get on your list of projects

[0:43:45] Voice 8: the other thing i want to talk

[0:43:47] Voice 6: about is byline factory which you might all know i'm very much

[0:43:50] Voice 6: against and i want to say in response to this uh uh uh mention of bermuda if bermuda is smaller

[0:43:58] Voice 6: than salt spring and has 65 000 people it probably has very little natural environment left and that

[0:44:04] Voice 8: was supposed to be the purpose of the island's trust partly to preserve our natural environment

[0:44:10] Voice 8: also in bermuda it rains all year long on the bottom so water

[0:44:14] Voice 6: catchment is feasible there you

[0:44:16] Voice 6: don't have along the routes like we do i want to say that this bylaw we're going to address

[0:44:21] Voice 6: affordable housing should be based on research and data and i'm going to give you some information

[0:44:28] Voice 6: that we found about that there was an article in the guardian a student said that england has the

[0:44:35] Voice 6: same problem we do that they don't have enough housing and so they built a lot of housing there

[0:44:41] Voice 6: there and the follow-up research was that in communities like ours that are tourism based and

[0:44:47] Voice 6: attracted uh the housing was almost completely negated

[0:44:51] Voice 12: by the purchase of housing for

[0:44:54] Voice 12: vacation rental and second the other information is for patrick condon who's the chair of the urban

[0:45:02] Voice 12: design

[0:45:02] Voice 8: program at abc and has a mutual battle with the subject he is quoted in the vancouver sun as

[0:45:09] Voice 8: saying that in many areas, especially with hot housing markets,

[0:45:13] Voice 12: APUs can benefit wealthier white homeowners, not low income, et cetera.

[0:45:20] Voice 12: Unfortunately, just one little bit.

[0:45:22] Voice 12: Unfortunately, authorizing the indemnity doesn't help,

[0:45:25] Voice 12: but it does increase land prices prior to the building.

[0:45:28] Voice 12: At the end of the day, the price per square foot of interior space

[0:45:33] Voice 12: is roughly the same because the market for real estate

[0:45:37] Voice 12: is not governed by the price of land.

[0:45:39] Voice 12: But how many square feet you put on that thing. So this bylaw may produce a few legal rentals,

[0:45:47] Voice 8: but in the long term, it would be a lot more harm than good.

[0:45:50] Voice 8: And we will have many letters coming in to do with this type of thing. So please think about that.

[0:46:01] Voice 10: I'm going to go.

[0:46:02] Voice 8: Yes, right here.

[0:46:03] Voice 8: Okay. I want to speak to bylaw 530 and also the Clean Harbor Initiative. Some of you may know that my wife and I were liveaboards for 10 years in a harbor.

[0:46:15] Voice 8: and i know that there is a way to accommodate the liveaboards and to accommodate the

[0:46:25] Voice 8: clean harbor initiative the way we did that we advocated with the city council and in santa

[0:46:33] Voice 8: barbara that we did not as liveaboards want to live inaccessible and we desired the regulation

[0:46:40] Voice 8: And the regulation that we needed was they had dye tablets put in our toilets so that

[0:46:48] Voice 8: it would be very obvious if anybody flushed the toilet into the harbor.

[0:46:54] Voice 8: Another thing was that there was a harbor patrol there that could actually enforce it.

[0:46:59] So in Fort Hyman, the appearance of pollution are

[0:47:05] Voice 14: the two key items there.

[0:47:07] Voice 14: Also, the people that benefited from living there paid a fee to pay for their regulation.

[0:47:14] Voice 14: So there's a way to accommodate everybody, and nobody wants to

[0:47:19] Voice 8: live in a sub-spring.

[0:47:20] Voice 8: On Bylaw 530, I think it's become

[0:47:23] Voice 14: apparent that a great many people on Salt Spring don't want diversified or dispersed housing.

[0:47:31] Voice 8: First Nations have spoken very strongly about this, that we want the housing is desperately needed, and we need it in targeted locations that are near the three major villages here.

[0:47:44] Voice 8: That's it. Thanks.

[0:47:49] Voice 8: And yes, back here.

[0:47:50] Voice 8: A pair of boots, conceived, born, and raised on Salt Lake City.

[0:47:57] Voice 8: I've been here for nine months.

[0:48:01] Voice 8: I'm here to speak in a bylaw on 530.

[0:48:05] Voice 8: Twenty years ago, when I was sitting in the seat there with Steve,

[0:48:09] Voice 8: we had a fellow by the name of Tim Waite,

[0:48:11] Voice 8: who's the housing authority,

[0:48:13] Voice 8: come to tell us without any interruption

[0:48:18] Voice 8: that the first thing that Salt Lake City should do

[0:48:20] Voice 8: was based on the housing crisis that we were getting with 20 years ago was to legalize all

[0:48:25] Voice 8: suites and cottages and that we are going with the important issue of dealing with ownership of

[0:48:31] Voice 8: that what whistler went through and that's what we need to go through so when we're looking at

[0:48:36] Voice 8: the question of the adus is it going to have any major impact all of the evidence indicates is

[0:48:43] Voice 8: johnson patrick has put it out before it's going to be very little up and due to the increasing

[0:48:49] Voice 8: pricing real estate prices, you're going to see the massive opportunity because the people

[0:48:52] Voice 8: that are seeing it are currently paying a million and a half or $2 million for a property

[0:48:56] Voice 8: in Salt Lake, really don't want a tenant.

[0:48:59] Voice 8: So this is, in my opinion, it should just get on with it.

[0:49:04] Voice 8: It should have been done a long time ago.

[0:49:06] Voice 8: And I guess I'm supposing you just say it's basically much ado about a dues.

[0:49:13] Thank you.

[0:49:15] Voice 22: Yes, here in the front.

[0:49:16] Voice 22: My name is Bruce Cameron, and I own and operate a company called Return on Insight.

[0:49:22] Voice 22: And I founded a company as well in that market research space called Salt Spring Insights.

[0:49:29] Voice 22: And it's a panel of people on Salt Spring.

[0:49:32] Voice 22: It's representative.

[0:49:33] Voice 22: I've been in the business for 40 years of public opinion throughout Canada and in the U.S. as well.

[0:49:39] Voice 22: and a number of the issues here I'd like to speak to relating to the public opinion that we've picked

[0:49:47] Voice 22: up since Salt Spring Insights was founded back in the beginning of 2022. The first and most obvious

[0:49:53] Voice 22: is housing. Bylaw 530 and anything that can be done to increase the housing supply here among

[0:50:01] Voice 22: people who actually want to rent to other people would be absolutely desired by people here. It's

[0:50:07] Voice 22: It's the number one, two, and three issue among salt smugglers.

[0:50:11] Voice 22: People know that we need more housing.

[0:50:13] Voice 22: And we need housing not for the people who can afford to come in and buy something for a million and a half.

[0:50:18] Voice 22: We need housing for people who are going to be the workforce here.

[0:50:23] Voice 22: So that's one issue.

[0:50:24] Voice 22: The other one is the cannabis store.

[0:50:26] Voice 22: Market research shows that, as many other people have shown, there isn't a big enough market here in terms of users of cannabis to sustain two stores.

[0:50:36] Voice 22: There just isn't. The numbers are not there. The third thing is Safe and Clean Harbours initiative.

[0:50:42] Voice 22: We were commissioned, Return of Insight, to do a survey about that issue.

[0:50:48] Voice 22: The concept of a safer and cleaner harbour is widely supported across this community.

[0:50:54] Voice 22: And the polling that we've done is accurate. You know, people have questioned online, well, 166 people, how can that be accurate?

[0:51:02] Voice 22: Well, you might ask yourself, how can 1,000 people in the U.S. represent 350 million people?

[0:51:07] Voice 22: It's because of scientific principles of polling.

[0:51:10] Voice 22: When you take a sample of blood, you don't drain the whole body of blood and then put it back in.

[0:51:16] Voice 22: You take a little sample of blood.

[0:51:17] Voice 22: Now, public opinion is a bit more complicated because there's different places where you take the sample.

[0:51:23] Voice 22: So we sample based on gender and age and region on the island to make sure it's represented.

[0:51:28] Voice 22: And so the data that we have reinforces the concerns that have been expressed here about housing and the fact that this Safe and Clean Harbour initiative can actually legitimize and help provide more housing.

[0:51:45] Voice 22: Again, another solution.

[0:51:48] Voice 22: Thank you.

[0:51:49] Voice 22: Yes.

[0:51:50] Voice 22: Hi,

[0:51:51] Voice 12: my name is Serene, and I'm here to speak against the proposed expansion and liquor license change for the Salt Spring Island Brewery.

[0:51:59] Voice 12: I live directly next to the brewery on the other side and have a young family.

[0:52:04] Voice 12: I'm deeply concerned regarding the proposed change, as currently it is a tasting license which only permits one drink or flight,

[0:52:11] Voice 12: and they would like to change it to unlimited drinks and spirits as long as the patron is not over-served.

[0:52:17] Voice 12: I worked in the industry for over 10 years, and despite everyone's best efforts, it is impossible to ensure that no one ever gets over-served.

[0:52:24] Voice 12: To imagine that this is the case is to be woefully underprepared for the realities of a bar.

[0:52:29] Voice 12: Alcohol plus dark country roads

[0:52:31] Voice 25: with no lights and deep, steep ditches combined with tourists who don't know the area means this is not a question of if someone gets hurt, it's when.

[0:52:40] Voice 25: Several families

[0:52:41] Voice 6: with young children live here, and this expansion is a very real concern for their safety in this quiet, rural neighborhood.

[0:52:48] Voice 6: The brewery proposed e-bike charging stations, but being intoxicated on an e-bike is still drunk driving.

[0:52:53] Voice 12: driving. There is also the new hop-on bus, which is a great step forward. However, relying

[0:52:57] Voice 12: on a private business that can fold at any time to get your drunk patrons home is not

[0:53:02] Voice 12: a sustainable solution. I'd also like to recognize that the brewery has put signs up asking people

[0:53:07] Voice 12: to slow down. However, the signs are non-reflective and the type is too small to read while driving.

[0:53:12] Voice 12: They are often covered in long grass, which you can see in this photo I took from my car

[0:53:18] Voice 12: to show what the signs look like to vehicles you cannot see them the brewery has said that they

[0:53:24] Voice 12: don't want to become a bar but that's exactly what this proposed extension is they're asking

[0:53:28] Voice 6: us to trust them in a relationship brought with conflicts with neighbors and zero communication

[0:53:33] Voice 6: with any of us even if we trusted current management there's been changes in ownership

[0:53:38] Voice 6: and several changes in management in the last five years showcasing that these are promises

[0:53:43] Voice 6: services management is unable to make.

[0:53:45] Voice 12: Currently, 4-2 owns the brewery, and with the proposed

[0:53:48] Voice 12: class action suit against them that has been in the news recently, we have even less trust

[0:53:52] Voice 12: in their proposed intentions. I'm all for supporting local businesses, but not at the

[0:53:59] Voice 12: expense of my child's life or the lives of my neighbor's children.

[0:54:04] Voice 8: Thank you. Back there? Okay, here.

[0:54:08] Voice 6: Hi, my name is Elsie Bourne, and I wanted to take a moment to say thank you to the Islanders

[0:54:12] Voice 6: Trust for opening a meeting to the public today. I'm here to express my concerns over the proposed

[0:54:17] Voice 6: expansion of the Salt Spring Island Brewery located at 270 Furness. I live at 271 Furness,

[0:54:22] Voice 6: an adjacent

[0:54:23] Voice 6: property to the brewery. I moved here in 2019 and since that time we've experienced

[0:54:27] Voice 6: several brewery waste leaks into our waterways. These leaks are extremely disruptive and smell

[0:54:33] Voice 6: awful. I have printed copies of their septic system company reports highlighting the needs

[0:54:39] Voice 6: for several improvements to their septic system and expelling their spillage into neighboring

[0:54:42] Voice 6: waterways i've also printed copies of my email correspondence with weha health inspectors

[0:54:51] Voice 6: when i wrote an email to louis hay the brewmaster on october 17th of 2022 requesting an update in

[0:54:58] Voice 6: writing i was met with no response from him or the brewery i'm concerned that expanding the brewery

[0:55:04] Voice 6: with an inadequate waste disposal and treatment system is more inclusion of our local waterways

[0:55:10] Voice 6: these waterways are vital to our farm my neighbor's farms as we water our crops and

[0:55:15] Voice 6: water our livestock from these waters i would also like to address uh rebecca harden's application

[0:55:21] Voice 6: for increased city seating and a liquor license change i've included copies of her proposal as

[0:55:28] Voice 6: well i actually updated her proposal since our zoom meeting uh with the islands trust on april

[0:55:34] Voice 6: 11th. At that time, her proposal was inaccurate and false. The first was that there would be no

[0:55:41] Voice 6: need for noise disturbance mitigation since the property had natural vegetation, and during the

[0:55:46] Voice 6: summer of 2022, the entire property was locked, and with all accommodations for staff being torn

[0:55:51] Voice 6: down, many trucks full of stones and gravels were brought in, creating an amphitheater-like

[0:55:56] Voice 6: structure at the end of our block. This increased the noise of the brewery. I've included pictures

[0:56:01] Voice 6: for this change for you as well. When this point was brought up at the meeting we were told that

[0:56:06] Voice 6: there were plans in place for landscaping the brewery and when we asked to see these plans

[0:56:10] Voice 6: we were told no that we could not and just to trust them that there were some. In an effort to

[0:56:16] Voice 6: provide more privacy for ourselves we have planted trees between us and the brewery and the brewery

[0:56:20] Voice 6: now lives directly into my bedroom. The brewery provided no communication to any of its neighbors

[0:56:26] Voice 6: about its plans to deforest the property and has become the eyesore at the end of our block with

[0:56:30] Voice 6: with containers, tent-like structures, and port-a-potties lining the driveway.

[0:56:34] Voice 6: Rebecca had a

[0:56:35] Voice 6: second inaccurate point with the noise disturbance mitigation

[0:56:38] Voice 6: being to be considered because the brewery is set in a rural location and not near anyone.

[0:56:42] Voice 6: I am 90 meters from the brewery.

[0:56:45] Voice 6: She is 90 meters from the brewery, with her other neighbor being 50 meters from the brewery.

[0:56:49] Voice 6: We have young children, and being open from 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. at night is not acceptable.

[0:56:54] Voice 6: We do not want a brew cup at the end of our road.

[0:56:59] Voice 6: we don't see how serving more alcoholic guests including families in this equation is safe and

[0:57:04] Voice 6: a valid business model to move forward with it's a super disaster thanks guys uh oh also

[0:57:15] Voice 6: rebecca harding's letter said that there is a cottage and a four-flex billing for staff

[0:57:19] Voice 6: this is not true they've torn everything down before the brewery should be able to expand its

[0:57:25] Voice 6: business it should have to provide sustainable housing for its employees like in its cottage

[0:57:31] Voice 6: like the currently past okay i'm

[0:57:36] Voice 6: just going to

[0:57:36] Voice 23: ask you to conclude

[0:57:39] Voice 6: at the end of the day i strongly feel that brewery would not be held accountable for any of their

[0:57:44] Voice 6: choices and we the people that live here will be left cleaning up their mess thank you very much

[0:57:50] Voice 8: yes sir well again with all i'm here to support these uh the bylaws for the

[0:57:57] Voice 8: housing there um i'd just like to say how important it was to me was that i had to stop

[0:58:04] Voice 8: my logging truck down in rainbow road right through the database and i don't know if any

[0:58:11] Voice 8: of you that are standing against this can look at some of the people that are working on this island

[0:58:21] Voice 8: there's no place here accordingly that i i find it shameful but like all this is is just for

[0:58:30] Voice 8: planning and what you're talking about i sympathize what you're talking about with

[0:58:36] Voice 8: about the brewery is an inadequate islands trust to plan anything all they've done is

[0:58:43] Voice 8: is unplanned everything.

[0:58:45] Voice 8: You're going to speak of First Nations.

[0:58:48] Voice 8: Can you point out any of the First Nations in the room

[0:58:54] Voice 8: that actually are on our traditional territory,

[0:58:58] Voice 8: live that have always lived here?

[0:58:59] Voice 8: If you so we can say, so I'm-

[0:59:02] Voice 17: So this is not

[0:59:03] Voice 17: going to be a personal conversation.

[0:59:06] Voice 17: Okay,

[0:59:06] Voice 8: so all I'm saying is that

[0:59:10] Voice 8: the trust needs to get out of the way.

[0:59:12] Voice 8: allow palmers to work it out gbm they worked it out and it was something that that they had to do

[0:59:25] Voice 8: they're all serving serving everyone so you know what wake up stop talking about talking about it

[0:59:34] Voice 16: and actually do something how many more meetings do we need to to come and talk about

[0:59:39] Voice 17: exactly the

[0:59:41] Voice 17: same thing that we need i mean it's just frustrating that i've seen the trust here

[0:59:49] Voice 17: the trust has been here since the seven of us they said but everybody before the trust

[0:59:55] Voice 17: came in everybody subdivided madly subdivided

[0:59:59] Voice 8: all these small

[1:00:00] Voice 8: lots and i can guarantee that those lots that there's some people in here that are living on

[1:00:07] Voice 8: those lots that you that you would not support right now so it's just a hypocrisy the whole thing

[1:00:15] Voice 8: and it's time it's time to wake up and it's time to do something

[1:00:20] Voice 8: no more talking about talking about it let's do something thank you

[1:00:34] Voice 9: Okay, was there anyone over in this area? Yes, in the back here.

[1:00:39] Voice 8: Hi, I'm and I was here since 2006.

[1:00:43] Voice 8: and it's it's actually like

[1:00:44] Voice 9: let's uh go again the

[1:00:46] Voice 8: uh the uh putting up of the fact this store

[1:00:51] Voice 8: due to like if we had stories coming in and we had that store and what sherry was saying that

[1:01:03] Voice 8: uh there's a problem can they come again no because there's a problem so one is enough

[1:01:14] Voice 8: i

[1:01:14] Voice 23: go on serving one not serving two that's it okay yes sir

[1:01:26] Voice 15: my name is jean pennington i've uh i'm a baby salt stranger i've been here for about four and

[1:01:31] Voice 15: a half years regretfully i wish it'd be 20 years more than that so but i plan on living here at the

[1:01:36] Voice 15: end of my days um i'm here to support the safe harbor initiative uh not just from the clinton

[1:01:43] Voice 15: in the city but from the safety point of view i've seen just in the four years i've been here

[1:01:47] Voice 15: four different occasions the boat coming in from wandering around the river sooner or later the

[1:01:52] Voice 15: plane is going to hit one of them something like that so i think

[1:01:54] Voice 8: safety really matters one of these

[1:01:56] Voice 8: boats was so submerged it was maybe just far above the water almost invisible if there's any kind of

[1:02:01] Voice 8: shock well

[1:02:03] Voice 15: i think it's easy to do it's not going to hurt anyone who's legitimate the whole point

[1:02:07] Voice 15: is not to target anyone but just

[1:02:09] Voice 14: to make sure that we got standards out there

[1:02:11] Voice 8: that are good

[1:02:12] Voice 8: for the community good for the harbor good for tourists to see when they come in thank you yeah

[1:02:28] Voice 8: these are some of the observations from a grandparent of three

[1:02:32] Voice 8: salt spring island children who live here as a family we have been voting for over 70 years

[1:02:39] Voice 8: And as a result, our family has a huge respect for the ocean and the beaches and the environment around that.

[1:02:47] Voice 8: We even have a marine biologist in our family.

[1:02:50] Voice 8: And it is really sad to hear my five-year-old grandson refer to the harbor as sunken boat harbor.

[1:02:59] Voice 8: And beach visits are always to retrieve garbage.

[1:03:03] Voice 8: also as a result we have become acquainted with a number of very responsible boat dwellers

[1:03:10] Voice 8: who try their best to clean

[1:03:13] Voice 14: up we have given grabbers safety gears life jackets paddles

[1:03:18] Voice 14: garbage bags and

[1:03:19] Voice 8: even a shovel to scoop poop and yet it is a losing battle safety of on-board

[1:03:27] Voice 8: board living has also been a big concern. As a community, we have seen drownings, near drownings,

[1:03:35] Voice 8: boat explosion, and fires. Many times I have watched activities with one hand on my phone

[1:03:42] Voice 8: ready to call 9-1-1 or the Coast Guard. Living on a boat requires knowledge and common sense.

[1:03:50] Voice 8: this bylaw will start to improve and legalize living on a boat in this harbor and show a much

[1:04:02] Voice 8: better respect for the environment and see if we don't do that this whole community and the

[1:04:13] Voice 8: The enforcement of proper regulations may fall out of our hands.

[1:04:22] Voice 8: It is my dream to hear my grandson say,

[1:04:26] Voice 8: Opa, where have the sunken boats and garbage gone?

[1:04:29] Voice 8: Let's go swimming.

[1:04:32] Voice 8: Pass this bylaw for future generations.

[1:04:35] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:04:36] Voice 8: Next.

[1:04:37] Voice 8: My name is Andrew Rosen.

[1:04:38] Voice 8: I'm relatively new to the community, but I do live and watch what happens.

[1:04:43] Voice 8: I want to give you a little imaginary story for a moment assume that I am somebody that wants to

[1:04:48] Voice 8: live on the island or wants to work on the island I can't find a place to live so I go find an old

[1:04:55] Voice 8: dilapidated trailer that I get a friend of mine to tow over here on the ferry and go park it in

[1:05:02] Voice 8: front of one of your homes and I start living in there and I start defecating in there and I have

[1:05:08] Voice 8: no place to take care of my garbage i have no place to take care of my sewage and look and i

[1:05:16] Voice 8: need firewood to keep my home in the

[1:05:21] Voice 8: winter and so i go out into the forest and i cut down trees

[1:05:26] Voice 8: like what's going on on grace point island

[1:05:28] Voice 23: right now and i'm in front of your home

[1:05:37] Voice 23: what are you going to do about it the fact is that

[1:05:42] Voice 8: if you know anything about boating you cannot

[1:05:46] Voice 8: live on a boat for more than about a week at maximum months in order not to discharge sewage

[1:05:56] Voice 8: into the water it's impossible there's only three ways to do it to get rid of it legally

[1:06:04] Voice 8: One is take it more than three miles offshore, some of these boats move.

[1:06:09] Voice 8: The second one is the need to go to the pump out station that exists at the government dock.

[1:06:16] Voice 8: They never move. And the third one is to dump it in the in our water.

[1:06:22] Voice 8: That's the choice. You guys cast an ordinance in June of 2020 that required that said it's OK to live in the water,

[1:06:34] Voice 8: but you got to meet some conditions. There were four of them. They were, your boat had to be

[1:06:39] Voice 8: registered, had to be insured, had to be seaworthy, and had to be ready for cruising. None of these

[1:06:45] Voice 8: boats out there can meet that requirement. In three years, you've done absolutely zero in

[1:06:52] Voice 8: enforcement. Your job as trustees is one, decide how to spend our tax money, two, pass laws to make

[1:07:01] Voice 8: make lives better for everybody on the island and third is to enforce that if you don't enforce what

[1:07:09] Voice 8: you've done and the laws that you've adopted they are worthless this proposal for the cashie

[1:07:16] Voice 8: proposal is a way to set the standards you need to make this Harbor and this island the same place

[1:07:24] Voice 8: we live thank you back here yeah my name is kylie i like to annoy people so

[1:07:34] Voice 4: um one of the things is

[1:07:36] Voice 4: i'm here to speak about the safe harbor uh i've been to uh a few been talking to them one of the

[1:07:42] Voice 4: things is it's not a way to pick out people living in the harbor the harbor is now unregulated there

[1:07:49] Voice 4: are batteries there's garbage there's a mass amount of debris in the harbor and it is it is

[1:07:55] Voice 4: just wrecking the harbor this initiative is designed to stop that it's an environmental

[1:08:01] Voice 4: initiative and the other thing is is that you want to talk about slummy landlords there are both

[1:08:06] Voice 4: people out there that own boats that are just renting them out for 50 bucks some of them don't

[1:08:10] Voice 4: even own the boats there was a fire last week in one of the boats and uh you know it was just it

[1:08:18] Voice 4: burns down it goes to the bottom of the ocean and then it sits there so apparently when the

[1:08:23] Voice 4: coast guard tried to rescue the person that was issued so you know the only thing is the harbor

[1:08:28] Voice 4: has to be protected it is the crown jewel of ganges and it needs to be to be done we're trying

[1:08:35] Voice 4: to get our beautiful harbor walk built why are we building that if we have a disgusting harbor to

[1:08:40] Voice 4: look at so

[1:08:42] Voice 8: it's sold off on the topic thank you all

[1:08:46] Voice 17: right uh did i miss anybody it's over here

[1:08:50] Voice 8: yeah my name is andrew bond my family's been here a while um i just want to say i support 5 30. i

[1:08:57] Voice 8: think rental spaces for especially for young people in the workforce everybody's that went

[1:09:03] Voice 8: in the workforce started somewhere we all rented um that's how you go forward and uh we need those

[1:09:09] Voice 8: people to fill those positions and um and that's just i just want to say it's important thank you

[1:09:17] Voice 8: get it and then by the door here my name is dan nick meyer i've been here since 2009.

[1:09:24] Voice 8: i read the entire bylaw yesterday stopped and went back a couple of times about the issue

[1:09:31] Voice 8: of this so-called tax that's going to fund whatever i don't understand how that could

[1:09:40] Voice 8: get through this process without a big discussion about what's this tax thing going to be why is it

[1:09:49] Voice 8: going to be a somehow administered by the federal none of that made any sense and i'm not the only

[1:09:55] Voice 8: one they need you need to find out how much tax money is going to be raised how it's going to

[1:10:00] Voice 8: work is the trust going to respond to the charity or the charity to the trust to me in my mind it's

[1:10:06] Voice 8: just mind-boggling and there was very little space in that bylaw you had tons of tons of

[1:10:12] Voice 8: little regulations you had even a court case from colonna to prove your point but what about this

[1:10:19] Voice 8: tax i had no understanding about how you create a tax without a hearing the end

[1:10:29] Voice 8: thank you uh yes back there my name is robert steinbeck and i um i'm here to ask the trustees

[1:10:38] Voice 8: to turn down the application for the second cannabis store downtown in the last year we

[1:10:44] Voice 8: spent a lot of resources trying uh to renew and revitalize the amplis minerals the huge efforts

[1:10:52] Voice 8: of the rcmp to deal with centennial park and hopeless and a lot of transient populations

[1:10:58] Voice 8: i fail to see how a second cannabis store is going to contribute to the vibrancy of our village and

[1:11:04] Voice 8: contribute to the economic well-being of all of us downtown thank you all right

[1:11:11] Voice 8: and anyone else

[1:11:13] Voice 10: who wanted to speak before we move on okay i'm not seeing any more hands and i'd just like to thank

[1:11:21] Voice 10: everybody for coming out and addressing your local trust committee it's really important to hear thank

[1:11:26] Voice 23: you

[1:11:26] Voice 10: the public

[1:11:28] Voice 9: so thank you for that and that brings us on to the delegation section so the

[1:11:35] Voice 9: first uh delegation is the take action on radon delegate

[1:11:41] Voice 8: uh um walker time chair that delegate is

[1:11:45] Voice 8: is uh ascending remotely remotely okay now screen and well they will screen share just speak and

[1:12:00] Voice 8: make sure we can hear you now okay

[1:12:02] Voice 23: can you hear me

[1:12:03] Voice 8: yeah

[1:12:05] Voice 10: and yeah please turn the volume up and

[1:12:07] Voice 10: folks in the room can you please stay glad to listen uh thanks very

[1:12:14] Voice 21: much i'm here with

[1:12:16] Voice 21: my colleague Noah Costell as well and then we'll be available for questions after our short

[1:12:21] Voice 21: presentation. So we're presenting today about the 100 Radon Test Get Challenge that happened in

[1:12:26] Voice 21: Salt Spring Island over the last winter. We are part of the Take Action on Radon group which is

[1:12:32] Voice 21: a national stakeholder group funded by Health Canada to provide information about radon across

[1:12:38] Voice 21: the country and the 100 Test Get Challenge is one of our initiatives on that. We also would like to

[1:12:44] Voice 21: say that Take Action on Radon is proud to unite groups from across Canada which encompass the

[1:12:48] Voice 21: traditional territory of many First Nation, Métis people, and Inuit whose ancestral footsteps and

[1:12:53] Voice 21: rights extend beyond the colonial boundaries that exist today and we respectfully honor these

[1:12:57] Voice 21: people's rights, history, and relationship with this land. So as I mentioned the 100 Tesket

[1:13:01] Voice 21: Challenge provided free radon pescets to citizens on Salt Spring Island. It's a turnkey program that

[1:13:08] Voice 21: provided tools and resources to the community for free. We did rely on staff time and we certainly

[1:13:14] Voice 21: are appreciative of the Salt Spring Island Trust that helped us with distributing them and we were

[1:13:20] Voice 21: able to do a presentation in the fall about the program and so we really appreciate their support.

[1:13:27] Voice 21: It is a program that we run across the country in many different communities of different sizes

[1:13:32] Voice 21: and so you're not alone. We've been doing this for five years and have data from various communities.

[1:13:37] Voice 21: Now, radon is linked to lung cancer. It's the leading cause of lung cancer in non-smokers, and it greatly increases a smoker's risk of lung cancer. And Health Canada estimates that 3,000 Canadians per year are dying of radon-related lung cancer.

[1:13:53] Voice 21: And so radon comes from the soil. Uranium is found throughout our country in the ground. It is a solid. It's naturally occurring. But as it decays, it eventually decays into radon, which is a gas, and it moves up through the soil into any building that has contact with the ground.

[1:14:11] Voice 21: and we're finding that as more buildings are becoming airtight that soil gas is coming into

[1:14:16] Voice 21: the building but not escaping and we're seeing higher levels across the country in homes

[1:14:21] Voice 21: affecting people's health and so we do recommend that all buildings be tested for three months

[1:14:26] Voice 21: during the heating season while their windows are typically closed to determine what the levels are

[1:14:32] Voice 21: for the exposed citizens. So here's a couple pictures from our project we thank Rob for

[1:14:38] Voice 21: for his help with hosting and running the project launch.

[1:14:43] Voice 21: And throughout the course of the project,

[1:14:46] Voice 21: we were able to see 66 people test their home.

[1:14:49] Voice 21: So although we had 100 available,

[1:14:51] Voice 21: not all went all the way through the process yet.

[1:14:54] Voice 21: If there are people that opened the test

[1:14:57] Voice 21: but haven't returned it,

[1:14:58] Voice 21: there still is time to return it

[1:14:59] Voice 21: and we'll make sure that they get the report.

[1:15:02] Voice 21: But up till now,

[1:15:03] Voice 21: those 66 people have received a report from the lab

[1:15:06] Voice 21: with their radon number and they should have received a link to some additional information

[1:15:10] Voice 21: so that they understand their report that ideally the the recommendation is that 200 becquerels

[1:15:18] Voice 21: is the guidance for for action and if your levels are above that 200 level you should take

[1:15:24] Voice 21: action steps and so we also provide information about what that looks like in a home

[1:15:28] Voice 21: and a link to to more information so the data from the reports that we've seen in salt spring

[1:15:35] Voice 21: is that four percent of the homes tested over that 200 guideline and of that 11 percent were

[1:15:43] Voice 21: actually between the 100 and 200 level and or sorry 17 percent 11 reports were between the 100

[1:15:50] Voice 21: and 200 level and 79 percent were under 100 so we do see this across the country we have you know

[1:15:56] Voice 21: many communities that have higher prevalence than this but the evidence just shows us that

[1:16:01] Voice 21: there are some houses that have elevated levels. We can't determine radon is invisible and tasteless

[1:16:08] Voice 21: and odorless so the only way to know is to test so we do recommend that everyone test

[1:16:12] Voice 21: to determine what their levels are. So we did an optional survey that people completed of

[1:16:18] Voice 21: information to determine you know what type of housing stock we were seeing and so we did see

[1:16:23] Voice 21: the majority of homes were single detached homes that participated but there were some semi-detached

[1:16:28] Voice 21: condo and mobile homes so there has obviously there was no participants in

[1:16:33] Voice 21: this project other than single dwelling that saw levels above the 200 guideline

[1:16:38] Voice 21: but it is possible that those homes can or those housing structures can see

[1:16:42] Voice 21: higher levels so we still encourage them to test and then we did see some owners

[1:16:47] Voice 21: and renters but none of the renters were elevated and then we also asked about

[1:16:52] Voice 21: year of construction and so this is common to what we see that really we

[1:16:57] Voice 21: We can't predict what the radon levels would be based on the year of construction.

[1:17:01] Voice 21: Really, any home can have radon levels, so we encourage all homes to test.

[1:17:06] Voice 21: Another question we ask is about likelihood to mitigate, and so you can see we had a quite

[1:17:10] Voice 21: unengaged group.

[1:17:11] Voice 21: The majority of people, when asked this question at the point of returning the test, said that

[1:17:17] Voice 21: they were likely to reduce the levels.

[1:17:20] Voice 21: However, there was some undecided or unlikely, but fortunately, none of those tested above

[1:17:26] Voice 21: 200.

[1:17:26] Voice 21: So we do provide support and encouragement for those citizens to make sure they do reduce their levels to below the 200 guidance.

[1:17:35] Voice 21: And then we've produced a public report.

[1:17:37] Voice 21: So we distributed a version of it.

[1:17:38] Voice 21: I think we've updated a couple typos in it.

[1:17:41] Voice 21: And then we've shared this on our website.

[1:17:45] Voice 21: But this is the public-facing report.

[1:17:47] Voice 21: On the first page, it provides information about the survey in the community results.

[1:17:53] Voice 21: And then the second page just has general information about Radon.

[1:17:56] Voice 21: rate on mitigation and the building codes that are across BC regionally so not it doesn't apply

[1:18:02] Voice 21: to the whole province but it is an option that each community can decide to enact. Then there

[1:18:08] Voice 21: is some data on other communities so you can see that from the data that we've seen across the

[1:18:13] Voice 21: province Salt Spring is certainly on the lower prevalence side of the communities that we've

[1:18:19] Voice 21: tested in and also below the provincial average. So there is a national certification program

[1:18:25] Voice 21: program that people can look to for a certified professional and we have again shared this list

[1:18:30] Voice 21: out but it's available for anybody that has some questions or would like to hire a professional to

[1:18:34] Voice 21: help there's also a national grant so if somebody needs to mitigate but can't afford it canadian

[1:18:39] Voice 21: lung association does have a grant that people can apply to and then there are some action guides so

[1:18:45] Voice 21: health canada has developed rate on action guides for provinces and municipality and bc um noah

[1:18:51] Voice 21: Castell at the BC Lung was involved with development, and he can help tailor some of

[1:18:56] Voice 21: these action guides for your setup because the political structure is a little bit different than

[1:19:01] Voice 21: the municipality or provincial level. And that's our report. We are available for questions.

[1:19:08] Voice 10: Thank you. Any questions? Trustee Patrick?

[1:19:12] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much, Pam, for your report. I guess, is there, I know, probably four tests

[1:19:21] Trustee Patrick: is probably not statistically relevant, but we have a geologic situation on our island where

[1:19:27] Trustee Patrick: it's like almost split down the middle, one type on the north and one on the south. So I was curious

[1:19:31] Trustee Patrick: if there was a mapped relationship of the tests that had exceeded.

[1:19:38] Voice 21: Yeah, we did map it. So we do

[1:19:40] Voice 21: this internally just because we want to protect people's privacy. But we take a look to see if

[1:19:45] Voice 21: we have any trends just so we can alert those areas or have conversations with groups like you

[1:19:51] Voice 21: about it um and what we found was that there was um there was no they weren't all in the same spot

[1:19:57] Voice 21: of the island so there was sort of distribution uh in where the high levels were found um

[1:20:02] Trustee Patrick: and i

[1:20:03] Trustee Patrick: guess i look for for you know if we i know 66 tests probably isn't relevant but i'm looking

[1:20:10] Trustee Patrick: i'm looking at the other end of our table at the regional district that has the building permit

[1:20:15] Trustee Patrick: permit department. Is the radon action plans typically managed under the folks that give

[1:20:22] Trustee Patrick: the building permits? No,

[1:20:24] Voice 21: I'll let you answer that.

[1:20:26] Voice 24: So there are particular roles for building

[1:20:30] Voice 24: officials under the current BC building code. A community which has evidence of elevated radon

[1:20:39] Voice 24: can start to require the radon provisions that are in the code, you have enough evidence now

[1:20:46] Voice 24: to fall under that. So our recommendation is that you do start enforcing the radon provisions

[1:20:53] Voice 24: and new builds. A larger radon plan would probably require and best be done by the

[1:21:01] Voice 24: uh people who can pass bylaws and that would be a a broader plan for uh ensuring a healthy

[1:21:09] Voice 24: and sustainable community so so it should not be merely building officials but go to to staff and

[1:21:17] Voice 24: uh i guess in your case the trustees all

[1:21:21] Trustee Patrick: right or or a good arm wrestle with our folks on the

[1:21:24] Trustee Patrick: other side okay just

[1:21:25] Voice 8: to add just to that um the the reports gary were shared with mike taylor

[1:21:30] Voice 8: your manager of building inspection and Carla Campbell

[1:21:34] Voice 8: for the salt spring management of CRD

[1:21:36] Voice 8: in advance of this meeting.

[1:21:40] Voice 8: Thank you for that.

[1:21:41] Voice 8: Any further questions?

[1:21:42] Voice 8: Not for me.

[1:21:44] Voice 8: All right.

[1:21:44] Voice 8: Well,

[1:21:45] Voice 9: thank you very much for presenting today.

[1:21:48] Voice 9: And we'll move on to the CDC

[1:21:51] Voice 9: and Clean Harbors Initiative delegations.

[1:21:54] Voice 9: We're giving you this little packet.

[1:21:57] Voice 12: Great.

[1:21:57] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:21:58] Voice 12: Thank you, Pam.

[1:21:59] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:22:00] Voice 8: Bye.

[1:22:02] Voice 12: we

[1:22:04] Voice 8: are we have perhaps for a few more moments than five minutes depending

[1:22:08] Voice 16: upon what is asked

[1:22:10] Voice 16: first thing is this is not glenn stevens initiative it's an initiative by a group

[1:22:16] Voice 16: of concerned citizens uh over 30 at this point representing other folks too um in the packet

[1:22:24] Voice 16: that you have what galvanized uh this initiative is we some of my colleagues and i watched a boat

[1:22:32] Voice 16: boat being towed out of dinghy, 16-footer laden with garbage from a liveaboard situation,

[1:22:37] Voice 16: and then let loose into the harbor where they wanted it to sink. It did float in, sink,

[1:22:43] Voice 16: and dispel its garbage. After contacting a number of folks to try to figure out who can

[1:22:48] Voice 16: police and clean up the area, and getting really no response, including calling the

[1:22:53] Voice 16: enforcement officer of the trust who said, well, we might be able to give a citation

[1:22:58] Voice 16: if we knew the person's address

[1:23:00] Voice 16: for living in the harbor.

[1:23:02] Voice 16: But we can't clean up the harbor.

[1:23:04] Voice 16: We can't pull the boat out.

[1:23:07] Voice 16: Also, I'm very grateful for all of it

[1:23:09] Voice 16: that showed up today in support of this initiative.

[1:23:13] Voice 16: We discovered in our investigation

[1:23:15] Voice 16: that this land use bylaw 355,

[1:23:20] Voice 16: section 3.19.1,

[1:23:24] Voice 16: completely prohibits dwelling in the harbor.

[1:23:27] Voice 16: It's law standard.

[1:23:28] Voice 16: had never been enforced so as a consequence in terms of illegality and living in the harbor

[1:23:35] Voice 16: all these folks who are living in the heart had no status they're not legitimate they're not

[1:23:40] Voice 16: considered to be residents they don't receive any services in 2020 as a result of covid the

[1:23:46] Voice 16: trust decided well we're going to as a result of i i think medical personnel living in the harbors

[1:23:53] Voice 16: being concerned that they might be kicked out the trust said we're going to stay not enforce the

[1:24:02] Voice 16: bylaw 3.19.1 but subject to certain conditions as my colleague articulated it's sort of sad in one

[1:24:12] Voice 16: sense the trust highlighted action and trying to do anything for the harbor was to stay the

[1:24:18] Voice 16: enforcement of a bylaw by resolution that's never been enforced so now that covid is over with

[1:24:26] Voice 16: What's the trust going to do?

[1:24:28] Voice 16: The trust going to kick these folks out of the harbor or do nothing?

[1:24:32] Voice 16: We feel doing nothing is not acceptable here.

[1:24:36] Voice 16: So what we want to do, and the bylaw that we propose to you, we feel does this, is build

[1:24:42] Voice 16: upon the conditions that you put in place in 2020 for living in the harbor, but using

[1:24:51] Voice 16: in a plan that actually can be enforced.

[1:24:54] Voice 16: And what we've proposed to you is a permit plan.

[1:24:58] Voice 16: You can legally reside in the harbor by obtaining a permit if you meet these certain conditions.

[1:25:07] Voice 16: But you can legally live there, but as a quid pro quo, you have to comply with the law with

[1:25:12] Voice 16: regarding waste disposal, not impeding navigation, registration, and the like.

[1:25:19] Voice 16: And by requiring this permit, you have to get a permit, you have to certify that you

[1:25:24] Voice 16: You meet these conditions, and in certain circumstances, you have to provide evidentiary

[1:25:30] Voice 16: proof that you meet these certifications.

[1:25:34] Voice 16: I will point out that the bylaw says there's no fee for this permit.

[1:25:38] Voice 16: It does, however, say that if the trust wants to impose a fee, it can do so.

[1:25:44] Voice 16: In your 2020 resolution, you required all people who are living in a harbor in order

[1:25:51] Voice 16: to continue living to have insurance.

[1:25:53] Voice 16: Our bylaw recognizes that it may be challenging to get insurance by those currently in the

[1:26:00] Voice 16: harbor.

[1:26:00] Voice 16: For those newly coming into the harbor, it has to have insurance, but there's a one-year

[1:26:05] Voice 16: moratorium for anybody who is currently living in the harbor to get insurance.

[1:26:10] Voice 16: See if we can work that out.

[1:26:14] Voice 16: We go further in articulating how the bylaw can be enforced.

[1:26:18] Voice 16: Again, you need a permit.

[1:26:20] Voice 16: permit. If you can't meet these conditions, you can't get a permit. If you can't correct

[1:26:24] Voice 16: the conditions within a certain period of time, then you're subject to enforcement actions.

[1:26:30] Voice 16: The Bible also addresses and gives powers to the enforcement officers to move abandoned

[1:26:36] Voice 16: or derelict vessels out of the harbor, out of the harbor. So enforcement is a major issue.

[1:26:45] Voice 16: So what we come up next with is the group that we're talking with, with whom I'm working, is going to establish a charity.

[1:26:53] Voice 16: And the charity will be funded by private citizens putting our money where our mouth is.

[1:26:59] Voice 16: It's a federal charity. You'd be able to get tax deductions, unlike the Dead Boat Society, which is a not-for-profit organization.

[1:27:07] Voice 16: unless you think that we would be the only organization

[1:27:11] Voice 16: trying to assist the trust.

[1:27:13] Voice 16: I've spoken to the Dead Boat Society

[1:27:16] Voice 16: and I've spoken to John Rowe who said to convey to you

[1:27:20] Voice 16: that he's fully supportive of this permit,

[1:27:22] Voice 16: of this new violence but wants to work with us.

[1:27:25] Voice 16: So what the charity would do

[1:27:27] Voice 16: is if the enforcement officers decide after notice,

[1:27:31] Voice 16: after time for curing that the boat is abandoned,

[1:27:34] Voice 16: is derelict, does not meet conditions,

[1:27:37] Voice 16: The enforcement, the trust can either sell the boat or write it to the charity, and the

[1:27:44] Voice 16: charity would remove it from the harbor at no cost and at no risk to the trust, which

[1:27:51] Voice 16: is always a question of liability.

[1:27:54] Voice 16: The goal of this bylaw is to legitimize people living in the harbor so they have status,

[1:28:02] Voice 16: so they are considered residents, right?

[1:28:05] Voice 16: At this point, they're ignored or ostracized, right, or maligned.

[1:28:10] Voice 16: If they live in the harbor, if they comply with these requirements, then I would dare say, in addition to what I've just articulated, we also need the CRD to step up and provide services to them from a waste management situation.

[1:28:26] Voice 16: Right now, on the seaplane dock, there's one pump out station, which unfortunately is not operable. It's under maintenance. I spoke to the Harbor Authority. I said, when will this be in place?

[1:28:40] Voice 16: we don't know we're looking for the solution so how would we expect people living in the harbor

[1:28:46] Voice 16: to dispose of their waste legally or inappropriately if we have no pump out stations

[1:28:51] Voice 16: so i would ask the crd to step in and put some more pump out stations and maybe even a pump out

[1:28:57] Voice 16: boat so that's that's the plan and again as one of these gentlemen said you know less conversation i

[1:29:04] Voice 16: think i shared this with you before i like elvis bradley you know the song a little less

[1:29:08] Voice 16: conversation, more action. The trust has to do something. I have letters that I included in the

[1:29:14] Voice 16: packet for you from Peter Ockham, who is a vice chair for many years, who says that this problem

[1:29:20] Voice 16: has been going on since 1982. The letters of 2014 and 2016, when he's pointing out to Transport

[1:29:28] Voice 16: Canada, that things need to be done, and it's a priority of the trust, he says. Unfortunately,

[1:29:34] Voice 16: Unfortunately, nothing's been done, and that's totally confusing to me, why things can't get done on this island when we all seem to want a clean and safe island.

[1:29:43] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:29:45] Voice 8: Thank you for that.

[1:29:47] Voice 8: I have a question or two.

[1:29:50] Voice 8: You mentioned you spoke to the Dead Boat Society, and I've heard someone say something about maybe not speaking to liveaboards.

[1:29:58] Voice 8: Have you spoken?

[1:30:00] Voice 16: Danny Littleworth. Yes. In fact, I put in the packet to you because I anticipated the question coming up, a sampling of who we spoke to in the harbor.

[1:30:09] Voice 16: We did not put names down, but I think it's informative and instructive if you want to see in your packet.

[1:30:15] Voice 16: We spoke with an elderly couple, probably early 70s. They live on their sailboat in Ganges in the summer.

[1:30:21] Voice 16: They are avid sailors and were supportive of some regulation.

[1:30:26] Voice 16: single spoke to a single middle-aged woman who lives on a cabin cruise a part-time with a dog

[1:30:32] Voice 16: she was not supportive of regulations and she has very limited resources she has no way to

[1:30:39] Voice 16: dispose of garbage sewage spines getting clean water honoris spoke to a lady who owns a trimaran

[1:30:47] Voice 16: in the harbor she's anxious to sell and move elsewhere she has no opinion regarding liver

[1:30:52] Voice 16: boys a possible regulation had a conversation with nurses who are liver boys and met all

[1:30:59] Voice 16: requirements of the moratorium that's that 2020 um requirements that you lifted including the

[1:31:06] Voice 16: requirements we have in the bylaws and insurance they chose a location far from town outside goat

[1:31:12] Voice 16: island which requires a long commute because of the conditions and they call squalor bay

[1:31:18] Voice 16: uh spoke to a fellow who lives in a blue sailboat in the harbor he has two other vessels more than

[1:31:22] Voice 16: the harbor but does not use them. He says they need repair and hoping to sail the world. He was

[1:31:28] Voice 16: against any regulations by authorities of Minnesota. We spoke to a few others, an employee

[1:31:34] Voice 16: living on a vessel that works in Salt Spring. He doesn't want any regulations at all.

[1:31:41] Voice 16: One of our colleagues became well acquainted with two medical first responders who lived on a boat

[1:31:48] Voice 16: in Ganges Harbor with their two children for over five years. They would have spoken at the

[1:31:52] Voice 16: presentation today they had just however they just sold their boat and relocated to the interior of

[1:31:59] Voice 16: bc they became disgusted and disheartened with state of the liverpool community and made sure

[1:32:04] Voice 16: their mooring board was located well away from the liverpool community they agreed that the

[1:32:10] Voice 16: cashy it's a safe harbor initiative was well warranted and would have no problem complying

[1:32:15] Voice 16: with the recommendations in the bylaw so we have spoken to a number of people and you get if you

[1:32:22] Voice 16: You get some who would be supportive, some don't want any regulations at all.

[1:32:26] Voice 16: But the trust has the responsibility to protect and preserve our unique amenities and environment.

[1:32:34] Voice 16: And sadly to say, that has not occurred.

[1:32:37] Voice 16: So I hope it does occur and we can implement a bylaw.

[1:32:41] Voice 16: And if there's a better solution, we're happy to listen to it.

[1:32:45] Voice 16: But doing nothing is no longer acceptable.

[1:32:47] Voice 8: The people in this call today were not insulted.

[1:32:51] Voice 8: I'm

[1:32:52] Voice 10: sorry yeah that's yeah yeah

[1:32:55] Voice 10: um any more questions

[1:32:58] Voice 17: trustee

[1:32:59] Trustee Patrick: Patrick I just I just wanted

[1:33:00] Trustee Patrick: to make sure we um the resolution that you referred to was restricted to two specific

[1:33:07] Trustee Patrick: zones that were for the marinas only that um that that uh resolution about um allowing

[1:33:13] Trustee Patrick: liveaboards in

[1:33:14] Trustee Patrick: that situation were restricted to the to the marinas that was not about the

[1:33:18] Trustee Patrick: entire river so i just wanted that to be but are

[1:33:21] Voice 16: you saying then that anyone else that regulation

[1:33:25] Voice 16: again by law 355 3.19.1 was still in effect which prohibited any dwelling in the harbor

[1:33:32] Voice 16: no

[1:33:33] Trustee Patrick: i know i just wanted that resolution

[1:33:34] Voice 16: i'm sorry that would be the position would or not i'm

[1:33:37] Voice 23: sorry

[1:33:38] Voice 16: if if your resolution only applies to certain sections of the harbor anywhere else living

[1:33:45] Voice 16: living in the harbor would be subject to the full prohibition is that right

[1:33:49] Trustee Patrick: we did not all we did

[1:33:50] Trustee Patrick: was modify it for the marinas to allow the marinas to allow people to tie up to a dock during the

[1:33:57] Trustee Patrick: pandemic only that sunsetted that clause

[1:33:59] Voice 16: is gone and I appreciate that trustee Patrick but it still

[1:34:02] Voice 16: emphasizes the point that

[1:34:05] Voice 16: all these folks are illegitimate and are not considered residents

[1:34:09] Voice 16: or citizens worthy of services or respect in our harbors.

[1:34:15] Voice 16: I

[1:34:16] Voice 8: was just going to more of,

[1:34:17] Voice 8: could we add an item under new business to discuss this?

[1:34:20] Voice 8: Thank you very much.

[1:34:22] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:34:24] Voice 8: If we have time today.

[1:34:26] Voice 8: If we have time, maybe in the in-camera section.

[1:34:33] Voice 8: We're written that it was all planned in camera.

[1:34:36] Voice 8: No, it's legal.

[1:34:37] Voice 8: Totally legal.

[1:34:38] Voice 8: Well, we

[1:34:39] Voice 8: can we can discuss when I request some legal stuff that we have actually, but anyway, we'll decide.

[1:34:49] Voice 8: Yeah, we were going to request anything.

[1:34:56] Voice 8: Okay,

[1:34:56] Voice 17: well, thank you for that. And we're going to move on to our patient.

[1:35:01] Voice 17: uh uh regional district director and the

[1:35:06] Voice 8: chair of the new lcc thank you um

[1:35:11] Voice 8: we did however get started on some work right away

[1:35:33] Voice 8: to take a first step towards reinitiating the harbour walk steering committee by appointing uh

[1:35:39] Voice 8: a new member from the lc system to do that um it's going to be that in brian with their hand

[1:35:44] Voice 8: we're planning at our next meeting to continue work to get the harbour walk steering committee

[1:35:49] Voice 8: back in action we also took some motions um some of which were for immediate consideration

[1:35:56] Voice 8: after after passing a motion to thank everyone involved in the formation of the lcp we moved

[1:36:02] Voice 8: ride along into business particularly relating to our meeting schedules uh we can have a motion

[1:36:09] Voice 8: asking staff to report back with uh how we can have more frequent meetings and evening meetings

[1:36:16] Voice 8: of the lcd um we also set up our next meeting to be on july 11th that's prior to the originally

[1:36:24] Voice 8: anticipated time it's going to be a special meeting we're inviting your members of the

[1:36:29] Voice 8: well-intentioned commissions that have been serving areas to report back to those that

[1:36:36] Voice 8: accumulated wealth of knowledge. Pardon me just a moment. Can you please stop talking in here so

[1:36:40] Voice 8: we can hear you? Thank you. We want to take advantage of all the knowledge that's been

[1:36:45] Voice 8: accumulated over the years in those commissions. We also passed a notice of motion to pass a,

[1:36:52] Voice 8: at our next meeting, statement of commitment on the path part of the LPC for

[1:36:58] Voice 8: more. Acceptability, interactions, transparency in all of our meetings,

[1:37:03] Voice 8: and open meetings.

[1:37:05] Voice 23: Yeah,

[1:37:14] Voice 8: thanks, Chair. I apologize for the earlier interruptions.

[1:37:17] Voice 8: I want to congratulate the Bureau to everyone who

[1:37:20] Voice 8: ran the creation of the

[1:37:29] Voice 8: LCC. We'll actually create an opportunity, and we're

[1:37:33] Voice 8: going to trust already does on a regular basis, which is to have open

[1:37:37] Voice 8: in meetings because right prior to the election of the LCC there are a whole number of conversations

[1:37:44] Voice 8: and tax requisitions and issues that essentially haven't been seen so that that's going to change

[1:37:51] Voice 8: it'll be a big change in the governance culture of the CRE and hopefully you can meet the

[1:37:57] Voice 8: high standards established by the trust but on just I do want to summarize some

[1:38:04] Voice 8: CRE related issues. The CRE just supported two grants for local school district 64 students.

[1:38:21] Voice 8: Maggie Naftali, I'm pronouncing her name right, was awarded the Niels Jensen Bursary to attend

[1:38:29] Voice 8: And University and also Belton School Grade,

[1:38:33] Voice 8: who I think was the valedictorian for the school district,

[1:38:36] Voice 8: was also awarded the Ed McGregor Bursary.

[1:38:40] Voice 8: These are bursaries that are issued,

[1:38:42] Voice 8: both of those gentlemen have passed away.

[1:38:45] Voice 8: And so this is an annual bursary

[1:38:48] Voice 8: that's issued throughout the CID,

[1:38:51] Voice 8: and basically it's rotating.

[1:38:54] Voice 8: And this year was school district,

[1:38:56] Voice 8: uh sultry island electoral area school district 64 out there so uh congratulations to those uh

[1:39:04] Voice 8: just to follow up on earl's comments about uh at lcc i think we got off and running uh excellent

[1:39:12] Voice 8: start um great group of people um elected and one of the things we'll be talking about our next

[1:39:20] Voice 8: meeting which i believe would be july 11th correct and then there'll be a meeting on july 18th

[1:39:25] Voice 8: July 11th meeting

[1:39:26] Voice 7: where Earl mentioned that we'll have former commission members come to the LCC to provide advice about

[1:39:34] Voice 8: the years of experience they have delivering and overseeing those various services.

[1:39:40] Voice 8: And we'll go through, we'll have a detailed section, service by service, because the first big job of the LCC will be to determine requisition levels for each of those services.

[1:39:54] Voice 8: I have mentioned before that this summer there will be an alternative approval process, otherwise known as a counter petition, for a regional borrowing of $85 million for affordable housing.

[1:40:08] Voice 8: In my view, it's the single most important thing the CRD can do.

[1:40:12] Voice 8: this follows up with the previous uh similar initiative where crd for the 40 million

[1:40:19] Voice 8: matched by dc housing and cmhc creating a fund of 120 million which um is basically fully

[1:40:28] Voice 8: subscribed and when all of the units funded through that are built that will amount to

[1:40:33] Voice 8: 17 1800 affordable rental units throughout the crd that includes croftonbrook on salisbury

[1:40:40] Voice 8: 54 units was funded from that program.

[1:40:46] Voice 8: There is a requisition impact, and that will unfold over time as the money is forwarded

[1:40:54] Voice 8: in order to support affordable housing projects.

[1:40:59] Voice 8: It'll be an application basis, so the result of the challenge will be to access as much

[1:41:04] Voice 8: of that funding as we possibly can.

[1:41:06] Voice 8: can. The taxpayer cost will be roughly $2.30 per household per month. So there will be a taxpayer

[1:41:16] Voice 8: cost, but there is a potential of creating a number of additional affordable rental units

[1:41:24] Voice 8: on Salt Spring. I've provided the trust as well as the LCNC Housing Council with an updated summary

[1:41:33] Voice 8: from my view of housing opportunities on salt spring there for example there are six properties

[1:41:39] Voice 8: right now on salt spring already designated or rezoned for affordable housing uh most of which

[1:41:47] Voice 8: have a ngo proponent or a proponent attached to it that includes the seedy drapery property where

[1:41:54] Voice 8: up to 80 additional units can be built that'll be subject to water which we're willing for that's

[1:41:59] Voice 8: with the supported housing will go that supported housing will be complete by the end of the year

[1:42:04] Voice 8: hopefully um so uh in total if all of those properties we were able to secure funding and

[1:42:12] Voice 8: enable them to go ahead one of them is an ownership of model it's direct dragonfly model

[1:42:17] Voice 8: and in order to make that work uh they need to establish a water utility i know eric who

[1:42:22] Voice 8: disagrees with the necessity for that but in any case uh crd is working with dragonfly to

[1:42:29] Voice 8: establish a water utility within the north salt spring service area that's 30 units of ownership

[1:42:35] Voice 8: of affordable housing but there's over 200 entities associated with those six properties

[1:42:41] Voice 8: so in addition to the legalization of properties for suites and cottages in my view the single

[1:42:48] Voice 8: most important all all initiatives are important uh but in my view the single most important thing

[1:42:54] Voice 8: we can do is actually build new affordable housing and that goes back to the scarce

[1:43:00] Voice 8: resorts in my view is not land necessarily it's funding because you even if all those properties

[1:43:07] Voice 8: the land is already secured uh and but you do need additional equity to make the units built

[1:43:14] Voice 8: on them truly affordable so that will be our our challenge but our opportunity of the next term

[1:43:20] Voice 8: uh i'll be attending and i believe i'm not sure but then we'll be able to see attendance

[1:43:25] Voice 8: at the salt spring solutions um interagency uh meeting tomorrow i believe uh north salt

[1:43:33] Voice 8: spring will be attending and one of the key agents we're going to be talking about it's a

[1:43:37] Voice 8: wide auditorium and are there ways that we can support affordable housing within the north

[1:43:42] Voice 8: Salisbury service area given that fact of the moratorium and also the uh the Damocles sword

[1:43:50] Voice 8: of the on each mitigation which still uh hangs for north salt springs uh heads from looking

[1:43:55] Voice 8: really looking forward to that meeting and i'm going to have continued meetings to see

[1:43:59] Voice 8: if there are strategies we can employ taking that a partnership or interagency approach

[1:44:06] Voice 8: three on water for the suites and cottages that trustee Patrick mentioned before that have been

[1:44:12] Voice 8: impeded by the water moratorium. The Clean Harbour Initiative, at the request of the group that's

[1:44:20] Voice 8: proposing the initiative, CRD will be doing some additional sampling in the harbour. We already do

[1:44:28] Voice 8: some sampling now in relation to the Ganges Treatment Plant outfall, is that the right name?

[1:44:36] Voice 8: Of course, that's quite a ways out in the harbor.

[1:44:40] Voice 8: We'll be doing some additional sampling to see if there are water quality issues in the harbor.

[1:44:46] Voice 8: And, you know, depending on the results of those, one can do further work to determine whether, for example,

[1:44:53] Voice 8: fecal coliform would be a key concern of contamination.

[1:44:57] Voice 8: You can do further work to determine whether it's human or sewage or stormwater, whatever.

[1:45:03] Voice 8: In any case, we've agreed to do some additional sampling there.

[1:45:07] Voice 8: VHAS agreed to do the actual testing to have those results.

[1:45:12] Voice 8: I believe President Patrick has let me know that there might be a suggestion or proposal coming from the local test committee

[1:45:21] Voice 8: that we join an existing CRV sub-regional service.

[1:45:26] Voice 8: the three municipalities on the peninsula have created a um not to hear the exact name but uh

[1:45:32] Voice 8: actually laura but uh

[1:45:34] Trustee Patrick: it is a sandwich peninsula waterways environmental action service

[1:45:39] Trustee Patrick: there you go um so

[1:45:42] Voice 8: it's an existing service uh it doesn't get into uh regulation it's it's to

[1:45:48] Voice 8: discuss issues with senior government authorities who really are the agencies that you have

[1:45:54] Voice 8: jurisdiction the press has some uh around the zoning issue i agree but really the province

[1:46:01] Voice 8: and the feds are the key players there and they have just simply vacated the field which leads

[1:46:06] Voice 8: local governments struggling with how to deal with the problem they're having some communities

[1:46:11] Voice 8: that have stepped into that bleach in the sanich inlet uh central sanich uh was considering that

[1:46:18] Voice 8: but backed off of actual regulation because of concerns about costs and liabilities.

[1:46:23] Voice 8: If you impose a regulatory regime and somebody drowns on the boat,

[1:46:28] Voice 8: what are the legal liability implications for local governments?

[1:46:33] Voice 8: So I've said, including in my campaign platform, this is something we should be talking about.

[1:46:41] Voice 8: I've said so publicly.

[1:46:43] Voice 8: It's how you approach it and definitely our approach has to bring in, for example, Emily

[1:46:49] Voice 8: Adam Wilson and Elizabeth May to try and bring in senior government agencies to discuss with

[1:46:58] Voice 8: them how they can help local governments deal with the problem.

[1:47:01] Voice 8: But it all starts with a conversation.

[1:47:03] Voice 8: It does not start with establishing a CRD service, in my view, but we will talk about

[1:47:11] Voice 8: that we'll see what comes out of the office meeting today um just a couple of other things

[1:47:18] Voice 8: the crd will be submitting another uh grant application about one and a half billion to

[1:47:25] Voice 8: establish 175 level 2 ev chargers throughout the regional district and 10 uh dc fast chargers

[1:47:33] Voice 8: um so if they succeed in getting that brand and actually there was a previous grant that will

[1:47:38] Voice 8: here's the outcome that would result in level two chargers additional for salt spring but this

[1:47:45] Voice 8: a new brand um we need to be sitting down with ev group uh with the trust to talk about possible

[1:47:52] Voice 8: locations for the establishment of dc fast charger user pay and that would allow uh for example the

[1:48:00] Voice 8: taxi company which now is using the free chargers available on salt spring commercial operators

[1:48:08] Voice 8: couriers are starting to get into use of EV vehicles, even larger trucks.

[1:48:14] Voice 8: So we will see if we can get some funding from that, if the grant application is successful,

[1:48:22] Voice 8: to get some funding for at least one pass charger on salt spring.

[1:48:27] Voice 8: We met with Minister Fleming at a public meeting, also a meeting in camera, I guess, or in private.

[1:48:35] Voice 8: It was really excellent. It was convened. It was organized by MLA Olson, and it was great to have a minister at the Crown here talking about some of our issues.

[1:48:49] Voice 8: The minister and his senior staff announced that they will be painting the lines, at least the center lines of the main road this year,

[1:49:02] Voice 8: and doing some crosswalks in Ganges, which is good news.

[1:49:08] Voice 8: And it is a problem because that work isn't being done frequently enough.

[1:49:12] Voice 8: The lines disappear, especially the lines on the main roads.

[1:49:15] Voice 8: But the cycling safety study that was actually commissioned and funded by the ministry

[1:49:22] Voice 8: is recommending a 30-kilometer speed limit in Ganges,

[1:49:26] Voice 8: and it's recommending the consideration of lowering our speed limits on our main roads.

[1:49:31] Voice 8: An interesting finding of the study is that the majority of people actually drive at a

[1:49:37] Voice 8: lower speed than the actual speed limit.

[1:49:39] Voice 8: So that was a recommendation from the study as well as more frequent blind painting and

[1:49:44] Voice 8: sweeping and also to continue the Ganges Repave project.

[1:49:49] Voice 8: So Ganges Hill will be repaved from the bottom of the hill up to Cranbury with widened shoulder

[1:49:56] Voice 8: older lanes which is going to make it a lot safer for everybody cyclists and vehicles uh and then we

[1:50:02] Voice 8: can consider after that the possibility this would be transportation permission workers look under

[1:50:07] Voice 8: the burden of the local community commission about whether we need a separate pathway but

[1:50:12] Voice 8: what the what the study recommended um is that the ministry continue that repaving program all

[1:50:22] Voice 8: the way to Fulbert and with every section that should be paid you also put in wider

[1:50:28] Voice 8: shoulder lanes for cyclists so that is one way that we can try and accomplish the

[1:50:34] Voice 8: establishment of the Salish Sea trail here. Just one last thing regarding transportation

[1:50:41] Voice 8: I think most people know that BC Perry's as of June 28th will be increasing the number of

[1:50:48] Voice 8: around the trips at Fulford Harbor. So it'll go from 8 to 10, except Sundays will be 9.

[1:50:54] Voice 8: So that might help a little bit with the congestion on Fulford Hill. That was also a key

[1:51:02] Voice 8: issue raised and a number of recommendations made by the safety study, the Fulford Hill problem.

[1:51:11] Voice 8: But the other good news there, which we weren't really expecting, is that DC Transit

[1:51:17] Voice 8: it will will be um amending its schedule so that it can meet every one of those savings and the new

[1:51:24] Voice 8: schedule for dc transit will be on their website thanks chair thank you very much um i'd like to

[1:51:33] Voice 8: propose a break now i see it's uh it's already 20 after 12. oh my god i'm sorry after 11 sorry

[1:51:42] Voice 8: Sorry, so I just want to step check in with staff heard it to go ahead and have the longer break now or would you like to have a longer break now short break come back to some more work I'd

[1:51:54] Trustee Patrick: say short break and yeah okay let's let's get stuff off the agenda okay let's go 10

[1:51:58] Voice 8: minutes then so let's come back here at 1133.

[2:03:43] Voice 23: yeah correspondence so we're

[2:03:47] Voice 17: going to be back uh call the meeting back to order

[2:03:52] Voice 17: ask the conversations to um yeah thank you very much

[2:03:57] Voice 8: and

[2:03:58] Voice 17: uh so we're at section 8 on page 116 we

[2:04:03] Voice 17: have the draft minutes may 17th special meeting for adoption anything

[2:04:08] Voice 23: on those minutes from

[2:04:09] Voice 23: trustees okay

[2:04:14] Voice 10: and then page 120 we have the draft minutes of the may 18 regular meeting anything on

[2:04:20] Voice 10: those minutes trustee patrick a

[2:04:21] Trustee Patrick: couple of minor minor corrections on page 129 on item 12.1 there's

[2:04:26] Trustee Patrick: a typo there it's an ocp not an ocb so maybe that's what it is and then there's also in the

[2:04:33] Trustee Patrick: second bullet um it said to set up a first nations approach that should be an indigenous

[2:04:40] Trustee Patrick: indigenous relations approach not for it was what was discussed sorry uh it says it said

[2:04:48] Trustee Patrick: advisors to set up a first nations approach for the ocp um i had said indigenous relations

[2:04:54] Trustee Patrick: approach

[2:04:57] Voice 8: and that was all i had you know i've just got one little quick thing but i think it

[2:05:06] Voice 8: is important and that would be to return um traditional territory in the cold order

[2:05:13] Voice 8: as as for the teachings that i have received um

[2:05:17] Voice 10: territory and not traditional territory

[2:05:23] Voice 8: because traditional can imply that it was something in the past that is still a lot

[2:05:27] Voice 8: so i actually just and a minute taker for um galliano actually inserted traditional in

[2:05:37] Voice 8: several a bunch of minutes uh because i'm sort of a previous

[2:05:41] Voice 10: practice but i'm i'm trying to make

[2:05:45] Voice 10: my practice to not say traditional based on the my understanding of of that respectfulness

[2:05:53] Voice 10: okay

[2:05:54] Voice 9: so uh

[2:05:57] Voice 10: can we adopt those minutes by general consent as amended

[2:06:03] Voice 10: and on page 137 we have

[2:06:06] Voice 8: the resolution to that meeting report anything on that okay that brings

[2:06:14] Voice 8: us to sorry pardon me just just to note there is a report on the on item 8.2

[2:06:24] Voice 8: yes there is that there is a report there dated

[2:06:28] Voice 8: june especially if there's no nobody

[2:06:31] Voice 10: has anything on that we can continue on

[2:06:33] Voice 10: it's just correct and then we've got the draft minutes of the advisory planning commission

[2:06:43] Voice 10: information on 138 and the draft minutes of the advisory agricultural advisory planning commission

[2:06:52] Voice 10: on page

[2:06:53] Voice 8: 141 there's no local press committee public hearing record

[2:07:02] that

[2:07:04] Voice 8: brings us on to the correspondence section

[2:07:11] Voice 8: there's the chair letter to the lcc anything there and uh be mailed to the ltc

[2:07:24] Voice 8: turning swipa anything on either of those okay

[2:07:29] Voice 20: and

[2:07:31] Voice 8: in business arise permits we have the follow-up

[2:07:34] Voice 8: action list on page 153 and anything on that staff at all um just with regards to i think

[2:07:42] Voice 8: this follow-up action list indicated that we were going to have um a report from the

[2:07:48] Voice 8: the SUPA watershed protection plan, as well as a work plan for this fiscal.

[2:07:57] Voice 8: Just owing to some availability issues and staffing, we just are delayed a little bit,

[2:08:04] Voice 8: but that'll be coming in the July meeting, so that will be pushed out.

[2:08:08] Voice 8: And then I also just wanted to acknowledge that we do OLTC a report on the Housing Action Program

[2:08:15] Voice 8: program task force um this is proving to take a bit more time um partly because we could use some

[2:08:22] Voice 8: work with their direction on on how you wish to proceed um the the reality without the action

[2:08:29] Voice 8: program as we've indicated we don't have any budgeted project this time um we've been involved

[2:08:35] Voice 8: in the action program task force however in our project like we need handy for uh the ocplub

[2:08:42] Voice 8: amendments of our major reports uh would essentially in drafting engagement plans as we

[2:08:48] Voice 8: get to that step um would involve incorporating the housing action plan program task force if

[2:08:54] Voice 8: that's the thing that that'll be put forward for for ltc consideration however um given that we're

[2:09:00] Voice 8: sort of in this pattern of working through the uh the grant application process um i would like to

[2:09:06] Voice 8: just maybe see if we can bring that back and um discuss that a little bit further and see if we

[2:09:12] Voice 8: can um find some more clear direction given where we're at now with the uh the work before and i

[2:09:17] Voice 8: don't know if that was as clear and back in february today um to get us some clarity there

[2:09:25] Voice 8: and uh improve how we how we're communicating with the actions program task force which

[2:09:29] Voice 8: of course not having any um any uh ongoing business uh it's not much to just talk about

[2:09:36] Voice 8: right now but certainly anticipating the fourth in the future it's all directly

[2:09:42] Voice 8: Okay, thank you. Anything from trustees? Trustee Patrick?

[2:09:46] Trustee Patrick: Well, sure. I mean, I think in this opportunity time of doing the applications, whether you have a formal or informal,

[2:09:55] Trustee Patrick: I think that the task force is a group that has spent a great deal of time pondering the challenges on the island.

[2:10:04] Trustee Patrick: And even if they were to provide comments individually on some of these application preparations,

[2:10:12] Trustee Patrick: I think it's a it's a lens that would only make our applications stronger and more likely to succeed.

[2:10:19] Trustee Patrick: And then I would hope that through the OCP project we would, we should rekindle the task force to support the whole project going through.

[2:10:33] Trustee Patrick: through. I would hope when we're getting to those details. So I wouldn't lose the opportunity

[2:10:40] Trustee Patrick: of strengthening these applications now. Even if they individually provide comments, that

[2:10:47] Trustee Patrick: would be useful. The only other thing I have on the follow-up action list is the meeting

[2:10:54] Trustee Patrick: with the Ag Alliance and the AAPC, finding a time to do that. I know I spoke with Kim

[2:11:01] Trustee Patrick: him earlier about maybe using the july 12th evening town hall session but i i know the

[2:11:07] Trustee Patrick: farmers in the past the summer was stay away you know we tried to schedule the meetings and the

[2:11:15] Trustee Patrick: non-productive time periods so um i don't think offering them july 2nd 12th would be um in the

[2:11:23] Trustee Patrick: spirit of really meaning to meet with them um i think um you know if we could either have a

[2:11:29] Trustee Patrick: dialogue or staff maybe could reach out to the key contacts um maybe it's the next one if you

[2:11:36] Trustee Patrick: want to try to double it up i'm not that's not a bad idea but um um they

[2:11:42] Voice 23: probably would prefer the

[2:11:43] Voice 23: fall okay thank you anything from you trustee um

[2:11:50] Voice 10: so i just had a question uh in relation to

[2:11:55] Voice 10: the housing accelerator fund application and this

[2:11:58] Voice 8: just because i was at the um uh couch and uh

[2:12:05] Voice 8: homox regional district uh protocol session with the with the northern islands and denman

[2:12:11] Voice 8: and there was mention that the regional planning team is working on

[2:12:16] Voice 8: housing accelerated fund applications for

[2:12:18] Voice 10: maine and denman um

[2:12:21] Voice 9: through the regional planning team

[2:12:23] Voice 9: So I just wondered what, if there's been

[2:12:26] Voice 9: any sort of communication around that.

[2:12:32] Voice 10: It seems like, you know, the intent of the regional planning team, of course, is to make efficiencies.

[2:12:38] Voice 10: And if

[2:12:40] Voice 8: we're all sort of doing similar work, then perhaps there's opportunities for collaboration.

[2:12:45] Voice 8: It is. It's a momentous return on the presence.

[2:12:48] Voice 8: I think it's important to note the regional planning team addresses both sort of regional

[2:12:53] Voice 8: level like trust-wide projects such as the ongoing policy statement in the housing task

[2:13:01] Voice 8: force part of the housing report that's being worked on.

[2:13:04] Voice 8: In addition to that, the RPP's, the regional planning team's portfolio does include all

[2:13:11] Voice 8: on the plan of working on major projects of which ocp uh and gandhi are included

[2:13:20] Voice 8: accelerator fund so um the development of those grant applications pretty much dominates uh our

[2:13:27] Voice 8: dialogue with the rpt right now so uh both mine and garbo and myself are uh on the uh

[2:13:32] Voice 8: regional planning team and we are collaborating with other other planners and the south and north

[2:13:37] Voice 8: with offices to complete those grants in synchronicity using similar sources of data

[2:13:44] Voice 8: as well as accessing internal resources such as communications engagement information services to

[2:13:50] Voice 8: support what supports around that application as we go forward great

[2:13:55] Voice 10: thank you for that information

[2:13:56] Voice 10: i didn't really i wasn't really clear on that but i just want to make sure that if there was

[2:14:01] Voice 10: any opportunity for the salt spring application to be a part of that that it should be so it

[2:14:06] Voice 10: sounds like that's all well and hand appreciate that information okay so moving on we have no

[2:14:12] Voice 10: committee information meeting today and

[2:14:17] Voice 8: no public hearing um

[2:14:19] Voice 10: we have a break scheduled but i wonder

[2:14:24] Voice 10: if we want to i

[2:14:25] Trustee Patrick: think we should take a lunch break because then we're going to have a long

[2:14:28] Trustee Patrick: haul this afternoon i think we should take a 15 minute break

[2:14:30] Voice 10: okay and

[2:14:32] Voice 8: i i actually think

[2:14:33] Voice 8: that 15 minutes is kind of short for lunch i didn't bring a lunch so i'm going to have to

[2:14:37] Voice 8: to go get one i prefer a half hour um so you know people are going to be here at 12 the other option

[2:14:46] Voice 8: is to all right of course because applications coming up i'm happy for a longer lunch as well

[2:14:56] Voice 8: we've got a pretty lengthy morning i think it's pretty understandable it would be if we take an

[2:15:00] Voice 8: after 15 minutes or so um okay uh well

[2:15:07] Voice 10: that is let's let's break till uh let's

[2:15:14] Voice 8: break to a quarter

[2:15:15] Voice 8: past and hopefully that gets us uh plenty of time to get down there maybe maybe we should do

[2:15:23] Voice 8: 12 20 let's say 12 20 so we don't uh make any false expectations

[2:15:29] Voice 8: expectations that

[2:15:30] Voice 23: they're going to still recess in the fall 20.

[2:48:40] Voice 23: and uh we're at section

[2:48:44] Voice 9: 13 applications and referrals and first one on the list is the

[2:48:50] Voice 9: ssl

[2:48:51] Voice 10: cb 2023.2 hey armstrong at 121 upper

[2:48:56] Voice 8: ganges road page 170 and i have a staff report

[2:49:06] Voice 8: after bucking is joining us

[2:49:08] Voice 23: remotely planner bucking is joining us okay

[2:49:10] Voice 23: Okay.

[2:49:10] Voice 23: Planner Buchan, are you online?

[2:49:17] Voice 20: I believe this one is Planner Belcher.

[2:49:20] Voice 8: My apologies.

[2:49:24] Voice 8: Sorry.

[2:49:31] Voice 8: I'll defer to Mr. Belcher.

[2:49:33] Voice 23: Can we be introduced?

[2:49:35] Trustee Patrick: I don't think we've met Mr. Belcher yet.

[2:49:37] Voice 8: Sorry, Mr. Belcher is our planning technician.

[2:49:40] Voice 8: So he works out of the office

[2:49:41] Voice 8: and he's been doing most of the building permits,

[2:49:45] Voice 8: Crown of Girls, and he's been given this LCB as well.

[2:49:50] Voice 8: So he joined us back in January or February, I think.

[2:49:54] Voice 12: Nice to meet you.

[2:49:55] Voice 2: Nice to meet you.

[2:49:59] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:50:00] Voice 2: So this application was submitted by the Harbor House Hotel at 121 Upper Ganges Road to the

[2:50:09] Voice 2: Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch to extend their hours of liquor service by two hours.

[2:50:16] Voice 2: So they're currently operating a restaurant and bar with a liquor primary license from 11am to 1am seven days a week, and they're proposing to change their hours from 9am to 1am seven days a week.

[2:50:31] Voice 2: so it's recommended that the salt spring ltc request staff hold a public open house to gather

[2:50:40] Voice 2: a community input and report back following the consultation with details and results

[2:50:47] Voice 2: to reach an informed decision okay

[2:50:52] Voice 23: thank you for that any questions

[2:50:54] Voice 23: i don't have any questions i don't have any questions either

[2:51:00] Voice 23: will

[2:51:02] Trustee Patrick: i make the motion certainly

[2:51:04] Voice 23: i

[2:51:05] Trustee Patrick: move that the salt spring island local trust committee

[2:51:07] Trustee Patrick: request staff hold a public open house to gather community input on sslcb 2023.2 and report back

[2:51:16] Trustee Patrick: following the public consultation period with details and results so move to have a seconder

[2:51:22] Voice 8: yes moved and seconded any further discussion all right i'll call the question all in favor

[2:51:29] Voice 8: and motion carries.

[2:51:31] Voice 23: Okay, thank you for that. And next up is Planner Bakken.

[2:51:41] Voice 9: And this is a Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Brands Application for Cannabis Retail.

[2:51:48] Voice 19: Planner Bakken. Hello, so this should be a familiar application. It was initially presented

[2:51:53] Voice 19: at the April 13th Local Trust Committee meeting. In accordance with the 2018 Standing Resolution

[2:51:59] Voice 19: and planners recommendation the LTC provided resolutions to forward the application to the

[2:52:04] Voice 19: advisory planning committee for comment and to engage the public through a 500 meter proximity

[2:52:10] Voice 19: mailout newspaper advertisement and a two-hour online open house during the two-hour open house

[2:52:16] Voice 19: a single participant joined in for a 40-minute period at the advisory planning committee it was

[2:52:22] Voice 19: recommended that the application proceed as proposed and recently we did receive correspondence

[2:52:27] Voice 19: of both support and non-support from the public.

[2:52:30] Voice 19: In brief, the correspondence received has identified issues

[2:52:33] Voice 19: such as market oversaturation,

[2:52:37] Voice 19: concerns over the proposed location, parking,

[2:52:40] Voice 19: impacts to the existing black market

[2:52:42] Voice 19: and safety concerns in the Ganges area.

[2:52:46] Voice 19: So this application is now returning

[2:52:47] Voice 19: for final consideration.

[2:52:49] Voice 19: Prior to resolution, I'm just going to provide

[2:52:51] Voice 19: a brief synopsis of the key application points.

[2:52:53] Voice 19: points. So back in 2019, the same application by a different applicant was approved at 109

[2:52:59] Voice 19: McPhillips Avenue. The current proposal requests essentially the same approval to proceed through

[2:53:05] Voice 19: the licensing process. There are a few outstanding issues based on an on-site visit. Off-street

[2:53:11] Voice 19: parking was not identified to be in compliance with the approved development permit from 1989,

[2:53:16] Voice 19: nor with the current land use bylaw parking install standards. So my recommendation of

[2:53:21] Voice 19: support is based on the applicant successfully restoring the parking layout or receiving

[2:53:26] Voice 19: an approved variance to the current parking standards.

[2:53:29] Voice 19: Looking over the OCP, the proposal is in compliance with OCP policy.

[2:53:34] Voice 19: There are no policies specific to cannabis retail stores, nor is there any policy against

[2:53:39] Voice 19: the proposal.

[2:53:40] Voice 19: Existing commercial policy supports a mixed use of small-scale commercial enterprises

[2:53:44] Voice 19: supporting a variety of uses in the Ganges Core.

[2:53:46] Voice 19: core. Aside from the parking, the use is in compliance with the Land Use By-law. Now,

[2:53:54] Voice 19: the applicant has also joined us over Zoom to address any questions you may have as well. Thank

[2:53:59] Voice 19: you.

[2:54:01] Voice 10: Thank you. Trustees, any questions for the planner or applicants? Usually the applicant

[2:54:05] Trustee Patrick: speaks or something

[2:54:06] Voice 10: if they wish. Hello,

[2:54:12] Voice 3: my name is Joseph Esprit-Chouinard. I am the owner and

[2:54:16] Voice 3: and operator of Cannon Northwest Enterprises, Inc.

[2:54:19] Voice 3: This is my application to open a retail cannabis store.

[2:54:22] Voice 3: The Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee already has my application materials,

[2:54:26] Voice 3: and I look forward to answering any questions you may have.

[2:54:28] Voice 3: Before getting to the questions, though, I just want to assure everybody here

[2:54:31] Voice 3: that Cannon Northwest absolutely feels very welcome on Salt Spring Island

[2:54:35] Voice 3: after receiving approximately 90 signatures in support of us opening a retail cannabis store

[2:54:40] Voice 3: at the proposed location.

[2:54:41] Voice 3: Thank you very much.

[2:54:42] Voice 3: If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

[2:54:45] Voice 3: okay

[2:54:46] Voice 8: trustees any questions i don't have any questions

[2:54:48] Trustee Patrick: are you the same applicant then that had applied last term

[2:54:57] Voice 3: no no different operation altogether

[2:55:00] Voice 3: yeah

[2:55:01] Trustee Patrick: so okay what

[2:55:05] Voice 8: was my question then any further questions planner or applicant no i don't have

[2:55:11] Voice 8: any questions okay discussion should you want to start with this question well

[2:55:16] Trustee Patrick: i i just my own

[2:55:18] Trustee Patrick: it's interesting i i you know listening to the issues that come up i i uh

[2:55:24] Trustee Patrick: searched our ocp for policy because it sits under the temporary use policy is the only policy that

[2:55:30] Trustee Patrick: we have that relates to um competition but um i don't know of any other policy or i'd look to

[2:55:39] Trustee Patrick: staff are there any other policy on um issues relating competition economics um typically a

[2:55:50] Voice 8: local government's function to regulate complex levels in the market um and that's uh in

[2:55:58] Voice 4: a tup

[2:55:58] Voice 4: that might be a

[2:56:00] Voice 23: bit of a different circumstance of course would be a permanent one anything else

[2:56:08] Voice 23: at all um i'm

[2:56:10] Voice 8: not you know i'm happy to kind of wrap this up and send a letter off um you know

[2:56:18] Voice 8: saying we we definitely for i don't support this um the stuff we heard from the

[2:56:24] Voice 11: rc cbc the letters

[2:56:25] Voice 11: that um came out fell out um some very clear rationale for um

[2:56:31] Voice 8: not having another cannabis

[2:56:33] Voice 8: the store in town we also heard from some folks um and here today um regarding um not just the

[2:56:42] Voice 8: competition aspect of it but of the vocation aspect which is kind of more on my mind um

[2:56:51] Voice 8: but um in order to not waste anybody's any more of anybody's

[2:56:55] Voice 23: time um i would um like to wrap it up

[2:57:03] Voice 23: send a letter

[2:57:03] Voice 8: off i need to make a motion or rusty patrick is okay with um without a

[2:57:09] Voice 8: receptive to that type of motion i'd be happy to take a shot at it

[2:57:13] Voice 23: that's on page 175.

[2:57:27] Voice 23: i don't see that oh okay oh wait sorry no sorry the next one number three okay

[2:57:45] Voice 11: Okay, I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee deny application SS-LCRB-2019

[2:57:53] Voice 8: .5

[2:57:54] Voice 23: for the following reasons, location and competition.

[2:58:05] Voice 23: Can we just jump into this?

[2:58:11] Voice 8: Yes, just wanted to check with staff on that portion of providing rationale.

[2:58:21] Voice 8: Is it advisable that when making determinations on these types of things that a reasoning be provided in case there is a challenge to it?

[2:58:36] Voice 8: So LTC may wish to consider reasons such as siting.

[2:58:41] Voice 8: There's no policy direction around cannabis use specifically,

[2:58:47] Voice 8: and it is not for retail use.

[2:58:49] Voice 8: Well, if I can change my

[2:58:51] Voice 8: wording a little bit, that would be great.

[2:58:53] Voice 8: I would say location and market saturation.

[2:58:58] Voice 8: Sorry if I may, Chair.

[2:58:59] Voice 8: The discussion around competition, I think, is a highly subjective one,

[2:59:03] Voice 8: and it may not be advisable, given that there really isn't any outside of the country,

[2:59:10] Voice 8: probably not a clear rationale for that at the local level government?

[2:59:16] Voice 8: Well, I feel that the executive director from the Retail Cannabis Council of BC

[2:59:21] Voice 8: should have a lot of pull and make a clear rationale for market saturation here.

[2:59:27] Voice 8: And I see Chris Rickon has a question.

[2:59:31] Voice 8: uh

[2:59:32] Voice 19: through the chair i believe the lcb is specifically looking for impacts to the

[2:59:37] Voice 19: community hours of operation as well as the location i think that's what they want the

[2:59:41] Voice 19: comments focused on well i suppose that

[2:59:44] Voice 8: is perfectly is what i'm hearing is locations

[2:59:47] Voice 8: of a valid rationale

[2:59:49] Voice 23: okay thank you okay so uh what

[2:59:58] Voice 8: have we got there

[3:00:00] Voice 12: trust committee deny an application sslcrb 2019.5 for the following reason location

[3:00:09] Trustee Patrick: i think probably need to elaborate on that what about the location is not good

[3:00:17] Trustee Patrick: proximity to the library and i

[3:00:20] Voice 8: think libraries what

[3:00:21] Trustee Patrick: else

[3:00:23] Voice 8: was mentioned there

[3:00:26] Voice 8: businesses don't relate businesses that

[3:00:28] Voice 23: don't relate to their other businesses

[3:00:33] Voice 23: type of categories library school public park library school public park uh i see a

[3:00:54] Voice 23: hand from the applicant there yes hi hi um

[3:00:59] Voice 9: just say hi

[3:01:01] Voice 9: just a

[3:01:02] Voice 8: moment um i i would suggest that

[3:01:04] Voice 8: maybe uh you you've made a motion now okay you may wish to just second it and go into it

[3:01:11] Voice 8: let's hear the motion okay

[3:01:14] Voice 12: uh that the salt spring island local trust committee

[3:01:16] Voice 12: We need to deny application SSLCRB 2019.5 for the following reason.

[3:01:21] Voice 12: The location is not appropriate due to the proximity to schools, the library, and public park.

[3:01:28] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:01:29] Voice 9: So moved.

[3:01:30] Voice 9: Do you have a seconder?

[3:01:32] Voice 9: Second.

[3:01:32] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:01:32] Voice 9: Moved and seconded.

[3:01:34] Voice 9: And is it appropriate to hear from the applicant then?

[3:01:39] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:01:39] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:01:40] Voice 8: Go ahead, please.

[3:01:41] Voice 8: Roll it.

[3:01:42] Voice 8: Oh, I shouldn't speak.

[3:01:44] Voice 4: I'm sorry.

[3:01:44] Voice 4: sorry? If you would like to ask clarifying questions, I think that's probably the best

[3:01:49] Voice 4: approach. Okay. Trustees,

[3:01:51] Voice 3: do you? Yeah, for

[3:01:53] Voice 3: sure. Okay, go ahead.

[3:01:57] Voice 3: So my turn now, sorry? Yes, sir. Okay, thank you. I suppose the decision has been concluded.

[3:02:05] Voice 3: That's just the way it's going to be. I just want to let you know that yesterday, I did actually

[3:02:11] Voice 3: actually only spent four hours collecting signatures we were able to get 90 signatures

[3:02:15] Voice 3: in four hours so it was um there was a lot of public support but one of the interesting things

[3:02:19] Voice 3: that i sort of learned about while i was talking a lot of the community members is that i learned

[3:02:23] Voice 3: this through word of mouth of course i can't say for sure but from what i understand there there's

[3:02:27] Voice 3: there's already some some existence of some legacy stores that are sort of operating in the proximity

[3:02:34] Voice 3: to where this proposed location is i don't know where they are but um it seemed to be common

[3:02:40] Voice 3: common knowledge. So I just want to just maybe emphasize that there's the possibility that

[3:02:46] Voice 3: with a retail cannabis store that's licensed and regulated by the government, it does create an

[3:02:51] Voice 3: opportunity to, one, have clean supply, but also every product that we sell is taxed about five

[3:02:59] Voice 3: different times or eight different times before it goes to the consumer. So there's a lot of

[3:03:02] Voice 3: opportunity for, I guess, tax revenue as well. So that being said, I just thank you very much for

[3:03:09] Voice 3: taking the time to listen today thank you okay

[3:03:13] Voice 8: thank you and i just wanted to point out um

[3:03:15] Voice 8: trustee just for for clarity here um the uh the staff report actually has an older

[3:03:23] Voice 8: um identifier here that's not accurate

[3:03:28] Voice 8: um so couldn't i should probably just please

[3:03:31] Voice 8: reread it and just so they're on what should

[3:03:33] Voice 8: he say uh

[3:03:34] Voice 12: the results from the local trust committee deny application sslcp 2023.1 for

[3:03:39] Voice 12: 109 mcphillips avenue for the following reason the location is not appropriate due to proximity

[3:03:44] Voice 12: to schools the library and the bay public park

[3:03:47] Voice 8: okay that's that's more important okay

[3:03:52] Voice 8: i'll i think that is moved into executive so any further discussion on this no thank you

[3:03:59] Voice 8: okay so i'll call the question all in favor okay and that motion carries and

[3:04:06] Voice 9: i just um

[3:04:06] Voice 9: Just before we move on, there was that one small error, and then under 3, in the whole application advance, there was reference to the COVID-19, and I'm just wondering about some old language that

[3:04:21] Voice 10: wasn't meant to get into that staff report.

[3:04:24] Voice 8: So I just wanted to point that out to you on page 176.

[3:04:31] Voice 20: I will look into that. Thank you.

[3:04:33] Voice 23: Thank you.

[3:04:34] Voice 23: Thank you.

[3:04:35] Voice 9: And so moving along, that brings us to 13.3 on page 185,

[3:04:46] Voice 10: SSDVP 2023.3, J. Noble, 38 McKenzie Crescent, and 295,

[3:04:57] Voice 23: John, you might have brought it again.

[3:05:00] Voice 19: So we actually have a request to defer this application to a future meeting.

[3:05:03] Voice 19: there's a second or a third variance that was identified

[3:05:06] Voice 19: that the applicant would like to include.

[3:05:09] Voice 19: So if we can make a motion to defer,

[3:05:11] Voice 19: that would be my recommendation.

[3:05:13] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:05:15] Voice 8: Trustees.

[3:05:15] Voice 8: Do we need to make a motion to refer them?

[3:05:18] Voice 8: Deferred?

[3:05:19] Voice 8: Yeah, I would just defer it until the request

[3:05:22] Voice 8: of the applicant until they send a request out

[3:05:26] Voice 8: to bring it back to the state.

[3:05:29] Trustee Patrick: So I move that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[3:05:32] Trustee Patrick: committee uh defer development variance permit ssbdp 20 23.3 um until at

[3:05:41] Voice 8: the request of the

[3:05:42] Voice 8: at the request of the applicant to revise the submission the

[3:05:50] Trustee Patrick: revised submission yeah

[3:05:52] Voice 8: you revised the application okay uh so moved to have a seconder any further discussion on motion

[3:06:00] Voice 8: I'll call the question all in favor and that motion carries.

[3:06:05] Voice 8: So that brings

[3:06:06] Voice 9: us to 13.4, DP

[3:06:11] Voice 10: 2023, S. Campbell, 66 Rainbow Road, page

[3:06:16] Voice 20: 205, Planner Buchan

[3:06:21] Voice 20: again.

[3:06:22] Voice 19: All right.

[3:06:23] Voice 19: So we have a development permit application in front of you today for a form and character

[3:06:27] Voice 19: character permit under the non-village commercial and general employment DPA 2 at 166 Rainbow Road,

[3:06:34] Voice 19: otherwise known as the Windsor Plywood site. The proposal requests a new retail storefront

[3:06:38] Voice 19: building and warehouse, as well as an additional extension to the existing covered storage space.

[3:06:44] Voice 19: This retail storefront would replace the on-site canopy, which was constructed following an

[3:06:49] Voice 19: on-site fire, which destroyed the previous storefront. Based on my analysis, 28 of the 40

[3:06:54] Voice 19: guidelines were found applicable of these 28 25 were in full compliance which equates to 89

[3:06:59] Voice 19: full compliance rate the additional three guidelines were found in partial compliance

[3:07:04] Voice 19: but were rationalized in the report as required under the applicable guidelines a security deposit

[3:07:10] Voice 19: of 150 percent is required to ensure landscaping is done in accordance with the provided landscaping

[3:07:15] Voice 19: plan uh this forms part of my recommendation for approval i'm happy to address any questions you

[3:07:21] Voice 19: may have. And I'm under the understanding that the assistant manager with Windsor may also be

[3:07:25] Voice 19: in attendance today. Thank you.

[3:07:28] Voice 8: Okay. Thank you. Any questions? Sure. Is Windsor Plywood completely

[3:07:34] Voice 8: happy with the deposit? Is the applicant in the room? I don't see them. Yeah. Can you guys hear

[3:07:43] Voice 8: me?

[3:07:44] Voice 7: Yes. Can you hear the questions? Yes, I did. Yes. I think we're happy with that. If that's a

[3:07:51] Voice 7: contingency okay any

[3:07:55] Voice 5: anything else trustee patrick well i

[3:07:57] Trustee Patrick: just have i have one comment the the staff

[3:07:59] Trustee Patrick: report just has date in brackets it was june 2nd 2021 it was quite uh quite quite a a night here

[3:08:07] Trustee Patrick: on salt spring this was a very big fire and uh they rocked the entire island to its its core

[3:08:14] Trustee Patrick: uh nearly used up our entire water supply to fight as well so it was uh

[3:08:19] Trustee Patrick: quite a quite a horrendous evening so i'm i know i'm i i i understand the reasons that you know

[3:08:25] Trustee Patrick: there's been some things that had to be worked out with the owner to get to where they are

[3:08:29] Trustee Patrick: um i think it'll be exciting to see a a new retail space of the significance um on the island

[3:08:36] Trustee Patrick: and i know that the entire operation has patiently maybe patiently is wearing thin

[3:08:45] Trustee Patrick: living inside a tent, but I know as an Islander who relies on the business for

[3:08:51] Trustee Patrick: every little project to do in your home, I've been grateful for the team to have done what it's done

[3:08:58] Trustee Patrick: to service the Island. Okay, thank

[3:09:01] Voice 8: you. Yeah, you know, clearly Windsor-Flywood is a very valuable

[3:09:08] Voice 8: member of the business community here and employs so many people and spin-off employment from that

[3:09:15] Voice 8: is immense. I'm inclined to withdraw the landscape security deposit from this just to simplify things.

[3:09:24] Voice 8: I completely trust Windsor Flywood and their efforts and I think they will go above and beyond

[3:09:30] Voice 8: you know any requirements as far as the landscaping goes. I'd be happy to you know to

[3:09:39] Voice 8: to you know approve this development permit minus the landscaping security deposit if

[3:09:45] Voice 8: um

[3:09:45] Voice 23: support with that oh well

[3:09:53] Trustee Patrick: i mean i mean it's a it's just part of our procedures

[3:09:57] Voice 4: for this

[3:09:58] Voice 4: the standard process in um in uh forming character bylaws um to ensure that uh planting not only

[3:10:06] Voice 4: are planted but to ensure that they are maintained for time um it is a best practice of local

[3:10:12] Voice 4: government's

[3:10:12] Voice 8: doing sure that um those those landscaping campaigns have changed

[3:10:19] Voice 8: it's sad in an educational perspective when the landscaping deposit is returned it is returned

[3:10:25] Voice 8: with interest so it is money that you know yes it's tied up by the organization but it's not

[3:10:33] Voice 8: just sitting waiting to be returned it's returned with interest yeah and i just thought i heard the

[3:10:40] Voice 8: applicant uh yeah they said they were okay so if that's some

[3:10:49] Voice 8: see it and i'd be happy to remove that but i'm happy to pass it as is too all right uh would

[3:10:57] Voice 8: someone like to make a motion

[3:10:59] Trustee Patrick: i'll work that the salt spring island local trust committee approves

[3:11:03] Trustee Patrick: issuance and development permit ssdp in 2023.1 subject to the collection of a thirty nine thousand

[3:11:09] Trustee Patrick: That was $1,557.25 landscaping security deposit.

[3:11:15] Voice 5: So moved.

[3:11:16] Voice 11: Do I have a seconder?

[3:11:17] Voice 11: Any further discussion?

[3:11:18] Voice 11: Yeah, I just like to, I kind of feel a little bit uncomfortable with asking for a security deposit from such a well-respected business,

[3:11:27] Voice 8: you know, in our community.

[3:11:29] Voice 8: But if that's the way it is, that's the way it is.

[3:11:32] Voice 8: Thanks for your continued efforts in our community to Adam and the rest of the folks on Windsor.

[3:11:41] Voice 7: thank you yeah i mean we're we're happy to uh get this sort of project going and uh get in a new

[3:11:46] Voice 7: building and keep our staff warm and uh dry that's patrick

[3:11:52] Trustee Patrick: i get well i i under i understand you know

[3:11:55] Trustee Patrick: the kind of the shock of looking at the numbers of the deposit but i can tell you as we've even gone

[3:11:59] Trustee Patrick: through the affordable housing complexes we this has been a consistent practice so um if this was

[3:12:04] Trustee Patrick: an inconsistent practice then i would absolutely say yes let's uh you know but um it's a consistent

[3:12:09] Trustee Patrick: of practice that has

[3:12:12] Voice 8: been in place all right anything further thank

[3:12:17] Voice 20: you and then i'll call

[3:12:18] Voice 20: the question

[3:12:19] Voice 8: all in favor and motion is

[3:12:21] Voice 20: carried okay

[3:12:24] Voice 8: and that brings us on to uh dvp 2217 we've

[3:12:30] Voice 8: um north end at page 253. and planner fotino yes thank you good afternoon everyone um this

[3:12:44] Voice 8: court brings forward the development variance permit requests to reduce the septic field setback

[3:12:49] Voice 8: requirement from a vegetarian area from 30 meters to 15 meters at the address lot a north end road

[3:12:56] Voice 8: based on the justification provided in the site visit with the applicant staff recommend that the

[3:13:01] Voice 8: comment issued subject property is designated as rural neighborhoods into the southern island ocp

[3:13:08] Voice 8: the ojp does not contain any policies or objectives to guide decision-making concept

[3:13:12] Voice 8: after a reduction in this instance the subject property is zoned as rural under the salzburg

[3:13:17] Voice 8: island land use by line number 3.5 for the purpose of this application it is subject to the zoning

[3:13:23] Voice 8: requirement in section 4.5.1.4 of the bylaw, which stipulates that no sewage disposal field

[3:13:32] Voice 8: or septage hit may be located within 30 meters of the natural boundary of any other or any other

[3:13:38] Voice 8: water bottom. The applicant's property is geographically constrained and a great amount

[3:13:47] Voice 8: of thought has been put into the siting and of the proposed septic field uh the retained

[3:13:52] Voice 8: professionals have concluded that well it would be extremely unlikely that any effluent

[3:13:57] Voice 8: contamination of the flow in this upslope ditch would occur from a septic field which is over

[3:14:02] Voice 8: three meters down slope and across compacted roadbed there would be no health hazard created

[3:14:09] Voice 8: in granting a variance for the septic fields to be within 30 meters of the other slope

[3:14:13] Voice 8: ditch. Therefore, given the

[3:14:16] Voice 8: accompanying materials and the proposed

[3:14:17] Voice 8: variance, given the accompanying materials

[3:14:19] Voice 8: the proposed variance is minor

[3:14:21] Voice 8: and of limited impact. Therefore,

[3:14:23] Voice 8: it is SAC's opinion that the proposed EVP

[3:14:25] Voice 8: will have no adverse effects on the

[3:14:27] Voice 8: natural environment and should be approved.

[3:14:30] Voice 8: Thank you for that. Any questions

[3:14:32] Voice 8: from trustees for planner?

[3:14:34] Voice 8: And is the applicant

[3:14:36] Voice 8: in the room? No.

[3:14:38] Voice 8: No, not today? Okay.

[3:14:40] Voice 8: Trustee Patrick?

[3:14:41] Trustee Patrick: I just had one question.

[3:14:42] Trustee Patrick: then there was a reference to an eventual house so is the house been planned and designed or is

[3:14:49] Trustee Patrick: this putting are they going to live in a trailer while they build the house or i mean i just so

[3:14:53] Voice 8: my understanding is their plan is they wanted to get the well and set the field done first

[3:14:58] Voice 8: and then whatever uh permits or applications they need for the house they would it would come second

[3:15:05] Voice 8: mr chair um yeah the um the house location identified though it was done in order to

[3:15:12] Voice 23: from this correct

[3:15:13] Voice 23: so that is the

[3:15:14] Voice 8: uh will be the proposed site but

[3:15:17] Voice 23: it hasn't changed

[3:15:17] Voice 8: it hasn't

[3:15:18] Voice 8: gone for the formal application process yet okay

[3:15:22] Voice 23: other

[3:15:24] Voice 8: questions no

[3:15:27] Voice 8: um i'm happy to make the motion you want to make the vote please go ahead i don't know

[3:15:32] Voice 8: that the soul spring trust committee approves issuance of ss-dp-2022.17

[3:15:43] Voice 8: so seconded any further discussion call the question all in favor the motion carries

[3:15:52] Voice 8: that brings us to 13.6 uh lcb 2022.1 270 furnace road on page 274 and planner for tino again

[3:16:07] Voice 8: this sample brings forward your referral for the liquor and cannabis regulation branch

[3:16:14] Voice 8: application the lcb-2022.1 to permit a permanent outdoor patio space with lounge area and alter the

[3:16:22] Voice 8: operating hours um 10 a.m to 8 p.m sunday three thursday 10 a.m to 9 p.m fridays and saturdays

[3:16:30] Voice 8: it is sacra staff's recommendation that the lcc recommend approval of this application the subject

[3:16:36] Voice 8: property is designated as rural neighborhoods under the salsa island location community plan

[3:16:41] Voice 8: The property is also located within Development Permit Area 2 for non-village commercial and

[3:16:45] Voice 8: industrial areas, and Development Permit Area 6 for unstable slopes and soil erosion hazards.

[3:16:53] Voice 8: The proposed application is consistent with the OCP and the non-village commercial and

[3:16:59] Voice 8: general employment objectives.

[3:17:01] Voice 8: The property is zoned Rural Zone Variation N in the Salt Spring Island Land Use By-law

[3:17:08] Voice 8: 3.5.

[3:17:08] Voice 8: five the zone variation for this property property specifically permits beer and liquor production

[3:17:13] Voice 8: sales and storage uh sas schedule they conducted an open house on april 11th 2023 via zoom from

[3:17:20] Voice 8: five o'clock pm to seven o'clock pm on to inform residents of the application and answer questions

[3:17:26] Voice 8: that may be happening in general the comments were not supportive of the proposed lightning

[3:17:31] Voice 8: application with participants in the tournament's expressions and concerns in regards to a number

[3:17:35] Voice 8: of issues including hours of operation increased traffic and traffic safety noise

[3:17:43] Voice 8: sewage system concerns and the increase of alcohol consumption

[3:17:47] Voice 8: we can break down a few explanations for those those concerns so in terms of the hours of

[3:17:54] Voice 8: operation given the feedback provided by the open house participants in regards to the proposed

[3:17:58] Voice 8: operating hours the applicant provides their letter of intent and shortened the hours of

[3:18:02] Voice 8: operations from the initial request to the one specified in terms of increased traffic and

[3:18:11] Voice 8: traffic safety um this was a common concern brought up by the participants um and for the

[3:18:19] Voice 8: potential in increased traffic and in addition to potential intoxicated motorists that could

[3:18:25] Voice 8: engage their families that live in the neighborhood um the brewery does have an

[3:18:30] Voice 8: agreement with salt spring pop-on which would provide an alternative way to get to the brewery

[3:18:35] Voice 8: and reduce chances of impaired drivers on the road and the brewery also took a proactive approach

[3:18:42] Voice 8: after hearing the concerns and they installed traffic on main signage which means kids and

[3:18:47] Voice 8: dogs at play drive slow and that's on furnace road in terms of noise this is typically a primary

[3:18:54] Voice 8: concern of LCB applications and it's a greater concern for outdoor areas. The proposed application

[3:19:01] Voice 8: does include some outdoor amplified entertainment. Staff doesn't anticipate that the increasing

[3:19:07] Voice 8: capacity will have any adverse effects on the surrounding area even that the patio is located

[3:19:11] Voice 8: on the west side of the property and faces the forest. The development permit application that

[3:19:16] Voice 8: this site is proposing a natural landscape across the southeast border of the property

[3:19:22] Voice 8: be, which would mitigate noise concern. And live music would be

[3:19:27] Voice 8: infrequent. That's an infrequent occurrence, and there will be no

[3:19:31] Voice 8: amplified sounds. The applicant who is on the call as well,

[3:19:36] Voice 8: should have mentioned that before. The applicant is also

[3:19:39] Voice 8: indicated that the brewery imagines the performances to be

[3:19:42] Voice 8: by guitarists or local artists. So not things like rock

[3:19:46] Voice 8: concerts. And then in terms of the wastewater disposal system,

[3:19:51] Voice 8: there were concerns raised about this system uh the system issues that the brewery had been

[3:19:57] Voice 8: dealing with in the past after a complaint from a community member and inspection undertaken by

[3:20:02] Voice 8: beha found that the brewery was in contravention of the sewage system regulation um the brewery

[3:20:08] Voice 8: obsessed to correct this issue msr solutions visited the site on two occasions in march 2022

[3:20:16] Voice 8: 22 and September 22 and provided recommendations. The brewery did implement those recommendations

[3:20:21] Voice 8: in the SARS report. The subject property is zoned for the proposed use. Currently, with

[3:20:27] Voice 8: the community, there were concerns raised pertaining to hours of operation, traffic,

[3:20:30] Voice 8: noise, and wastewater disposal. The applicant received the community feedback and addressed

[3:20:35] Voice 8: the issues. And despite the fact that solicitation of the community opinion found that there

[3:20:40] Voice 8: is perceived impact on the application on the surrounding area, staff believe that given

[3:20:45] Voice 8: the materials provided the location of the patio and the changes made to a direct component the

[3:20:49] Voice 8: application can be supported okay and you said the applicant is as well yes

[3:20:54] Voice 8: we also staff member yes um rebecca are you there uh

[3:21:06] Voice 13: yes i'm gonna keep my um video off i apologize

[3:21:09] Voice 13: my wi-fi says it's unstable so i'd rather you hear me than have both things kind of working

[3:21:19] Voice 8: and uh questions when did she want to answer

[3:21:23] Voice 9: did you want to add

[3:21:24] Voice 8: anything to the

[3:21:25] Voice 8: yeah

[3:21:25] Voice 13: i would i'll keep it really brief um so my name is rebecca harden i'm the consultant on file

[3:21:31] Voice 13: i just wanted to point out that we have three members of our team as well in the audience so

[3:21:36] Voice 13: if you do have questions in terms of operations and how the brewery operates or licensing questions

[3:21:41] Voice 13: specific to myself we're readily available to answer questions um i also wanted to say take

[3:21:46] Voice 13: this opportunity to say thank you to anthony we worked really hard in a back and forth and

[3:21:50] Voice 13: allowing us to adapt the proposal as we receive feedback from the community i think it was a

[3:21:55] Voice 13: really great um approach so i just wanted to make sure he was recognized for his hard work on it um

[3:22:03] Voice 13: and finally that we we feel we had a really robust public consultation piece and we were able to

[3:22:07] Voice 13: adapt as we went um based on that feedback and community um we feel like there's a ton of

[3:22:13] Voice 13: community support we can highlight some of the letters that were sent in and uh yeah we hope we

[3:22:18] Voice 13: you support the lounge patio application today and we're super available to answer any questions that

[3:22:23] Voice 13: you might have yeah

[3:22:26] Voice 8: thank you christie's questions judge patrick like

[3:22:30] Trustee Patrick: what has i i did listen in

[3:22:33] Trustee Patrick: to the uh uh to the public open house besides addressing the issues what issues have you done

[3:22:40] Trustee Patrick: done in direct communication with the neighbors?

[3:22:45] Trustee Patrick: Sure, I guess whoever wants to answer.

[3:22:49] Voice 8: I do think that Rebecca can answer this.

[3:22:52] Voice 8: There was some direct interaction with the neighbors.

[3:22:57] Voice 13: Yeah, we set up an email communication thread

[3:23:00] Voice 13: and went back and forth with some inquiries.

[3:23:03] Voice 13: When we put up the road signs, they

[3:23:05] Voice 13: sent emails direct in to Molly and Louie,

[3:23:07] Voice 13: who are sitting in the audience there,

[3:23:09] Voice 13: um that they actually saw a reduction in speed and travel from my understanding and so it was

[3:23:15] Voice 13: just a back and forth pertaining to email communications and understanding like um if

[3:23:21] Voice 13: this application's proposed goes through then there'll be um further dialogue that goes on we've

[3:23:27] Voice 13: maintained or tried to maintain an open door policy in terms of feedback as we we went through

[3:23:32] Voice 13: it so that would be the goal going forward as well

[3:23:35] Voice 12: that answer your question sorry maybe not

[3:23:43] Trustee Patrick: i mean part of it is i i did go through the wild cider um had the same thing in the first when they

[3:23:51] Trustee Patrick: first put their application and their neighbors were quite upset and they had exactly the same

[3:23:56] Trustee Patrick: response that you had and uh they they withdrew their application and took a year of investment

[3:24:03] Trustee Patrick: time to work with their neighbors to address each and every issue that their neighbors brought up

[3:24:09] Trustee Patrick: including striking amplified music out of the application and when they returned back with

[3:24:15] Trustee Patrick: their application there was not one letter of objection to the application so I kind of used

[3:24:22] Trustee Patrick: them as my sort of the standard that I was incredibly impressed with the efforts they

[3:24:27] Trustee Patrick: went through to really make sure that they fit in with their neighbors and you know we heard this

[3:24:35] Trustee Patrick: morning from some of your neighbors are still not you know they're not happy and they're concerned

[3:24:39] Trustee Patrick: and um and i think it's important that a you know a business like this is is really in tune with

[3:24:46] Trustee Patrick: with the neighbors going forward because they're right

[3:24:49] Voice 13: i would agree with you this application's

[3:24:51] Voice 13: been in and submitted i believe since 2019 so we've taken quite some time to work through this

[3:24:57] Voice 13: process and it we've moved the patio around we went back and forth i believe there's been

[3:25:03] Voice 13: a dialogue going on um i think that based on the community consultation where it was actually an

[3:25:10] Voice 13: open forum true action items came out of that and were were implemented well i i can't really speak

[3:25:17] Voice 13: to appeasing some neighbors i don't know if that's actually possible or not but i do think a good

[3:25:23] Voice 13: neighbor um as an ongoing relationship is something that's important we did put forward the option of

[3:25:29] Voice 13: of even signing off on a good neighbor agreement.

[3:25:31] Voice 13: I don't know if you guys necessarily

[3:25:33] Voice 13: have something like that,

[3:25:35] Voice 13: but it's very much something we'd be happy to work with

[3:25:39] Voice 13: or look into similar to, I think Bowen Island

[3:25:41] Voice 13: as one that's really, really well done.

[3:25:44] Voice 13: And then additionally, we also just with the signage

[3:25:48] Voice 13: and the way that things were received,

[3:25:51] Voice 13: the implementation of that,

[3:25:52] Voice 13: I do feel like it impacted the application.

[3:25:59] Voice 8: one comment i would have is um is the signage um you know if there was some you know if there is

[3:26:08] Voice 8: could be some sort of good neighbor forget

[3:26:11] Voice 11: the wording used there for it good neighbor agreement

[3:26:13] Voice 13: yeah they're very common in amongst municipalities you know

[3:26:17] Voice 11: maybe some you know to me the signage

[3:26:21] Voice 11: could possibly be a bit more substantial and not so temporary sort of

[3:26:26] Voice 8: looking like i know

[3:26:26] Voice 8: these kind of signs kind of doing it knocked over or over so maybe that could be something

[3:26:32] Voice 8: that would be in the good neighbor agreement that's some better signage and just just thinking

[3:26:40] Voice 8: about of

[3:26:41] Voice 13: course yeah we're open to having that dialogue working with anthony um in happy happy

[3:26:47] Voice 13: to have those discussions the goal is to be a

[3:26:50] Voice 13: long-term good community neighbor it's not to

[3:26:52] Voice 13: create an upset with anyone. They obviously rely on these surrounding people to patron the business

[3:26:58] Voice 13: as well. So the last thing they want to do is upset anyone. But at the same time, they do need

[3:27:02] Voice 13: to go forward and have a viable business strategy to maintain their business.

[3:27:08] Voice 8: And I understand the

[3:27:09] Voice 8: importance of that. It's a business and you enjoy people.

[3:27:15] Voice 13: I also have one more comment with respect

[3:27:17] Voice 13: to the amplified music. During the public consultation, I don't recall it coming up as

[3:27:22] Voice 13: a an issue but if that was an issue and you did receive that feedback after the fact we could

[3:27:27] Voice 13: certainly have that discussion as well because it's amplified music like the idea is not to have

[3:27:31] Voice 13: a band sitting there on some sort of patio playing loud music all hours of the night it was the idea

[3:27:36] Voice 13: of supporting like a local artist that might come in and want to do a guitar item that certainly

[3:27:40] Voice 13: doesn't have to be plugged in but we could have those discussions as well if you thought that that

[3:27:45] Voice 13: wasn't supported i

[3:27:47] Voice 8: have a question for staff um regarding the concept of the

[3:27:52] Voice 8: good neighbor agreement and do you have any comments on that

[3:27:57] Voice 8: um the other questions you currently have a good neighbor

[3:28:02] Voice 8: process um it would be a form of agreement to enter into um you know looking at um

[3:28:10] Voice 8: resources i think it's something we would thank you to explore a little further

[3:28:14] Voice 8: whether or not that the that is a complicated process in order to achieve at this time i don't

[3:28:20] Voice 8: think i could give you an assurance that this is a reliable uh condition however if um if the

[3:28:26] Voice 8: applicant and lpc agree um we can go and reason with that um and come back with some options if

[3:28:33] Voice 8: that's one direction that you want okay it would be really

[3:28:37] Voice 8: nice you know if the neighbors that

[3:28:40] Voice 8: were here today could somehow be involved and and made to feel so you know they're actually in

[3:28:48] Voice 8: support actually we have one of the neighbors that is he started taking care of those sign

[3:28:53] Voice 8: and he cut the grass in front of them it's very very well uh received by

[3:28:57] Voice 12: yeah i mean he comes

[3:28:59] Voice 12: so some of the neighbors still come and grab your class right one of the our direct neighbor is

[3:29:05] Voice 12: you said it i just noticed

[3:29:07] Voice 8: something taking care of the grass and from the sun

[3:29:08] Voice 8: because like we're doing short stats anyways when he

[3:29:12] Voice 8: came up and he said it's not probably at all

[3:29:14] Voice 6: but

[3:29:14] Voice 8: i

[3:29:16] Voice 6: know that some of the neighbors i to be honest i don't think anything that we do they

[3:29:21] Voice 6: just don't want it they don't want this and um we're trying

[3:29:25] Voice 12: to you know make it work with them

[3:29:28] Voice 12: but i don't know well

[3:29:29] Voice 8: i wonder if it's you know just thinking about what is there something that

[3:29:33] Voice 8: can be done where we where you guys try to reach out to these neighbors and possibly look at

[3:29:40] Voice 8: the last

[3:29:41] Voice 8: something i don't understand every science one neighbor that we have a very hard

[3:29:45] Voice 8: time communicating with all the others we have very open communication um

[3:29:51] Voice 7: you know that one

[3:29:52] Voice 7: neighbor is the one that i don't like you guys saw had a defamating statement about us

[3:30:00] Voice 8: mr chair yeah i i just think we're getting a little bit a little conversation what i mean

[3:30:05] Voice 8: is that we really translate all the report we you know i hardly see what can we do more than

[3:30:10] Voice 8: translate all the reports that the engineer you know try and reach them by email and talk to them

[3:30:16] Voice 8: but we can't force someone to communicate with us also

[3:30:20] Voice 6: i've heard through a great time that

[3:30:23] Voice 6: but he doesn't want to talk to me.

[3:30:25] Voice 6: So I'm not going to harass him.

[3:30:27] Voice 8: Like they openly said to us,

[3:30:28] Voice 8: they don't want to communicate with us.

[3:30:31] Voice 8: So I guess my concerns are the signs at this point.

[3:30:36] Voice 8: I think it could be some sort of, you know,

[3:30:38] Voice 8: I didn't want to support this.

[3:30:39] Voice 8: And I see that you guys have tried to make some compromises

[3:30:43] Voice 8: and lower the hours of operation.

[3:30:50] Voice 8: And if the signs could be more substantial,

[3:30:51] Voice 8: potential, I would be possibly more likely to want to support this.

[3:30:59] Voice 8: I'll do it for Trustee Patrick.

[3:31:02] Voice 8: Anything for me?

[3:31:03] Trustee Patrick: I mean, like I said, I go back to Wildside.

[3:31:08] Trustee Patrick: I mean, they were able to convince all their neighbors.

[3:31:10] Trustee Patrick: I don't know what the situation was.

[3:31:12] Trustee Patrick: You know, everyone's neighbors are different.

[3:31:14] Trustee Patrick: But, you know, this is a long-term relationship with your community.

[3:31:23] Trustee Patrick: And I think there should be some attempt, whether it's a neighbor-neighbor agreement, you know, I don't know what, there's probably thresholds there. Are you going to get 100% of your neighbors? Maybe not. But if there's something that just shows that there's really, there's stronger, you know, from my seat, I just hear from two neighbors. I don't hear from the ones that are there to support it. They're not here in front of us.

[3:31:43] Trustee Patrick: So if we had a bit more assurance that the neighborhood was prepared and really, you know, ready for this next growth in the business, that would give me a bit more confidence.

[3:31:53] Voice 6: do you think sorry if i can say something there's is another thing where some neighbors don't want

[3:31:59] Voice 6: to show up because they don't want to be in war with the other neighbors so it just puts everyone

[3:32:04] Voice 6: and then those people are in you know they have their own businesses you

[3:32:07] Voice 8: know it's really like

[3:32:15] Voice 10: thank you for that and and trustees i just want to get a sense of

[3:32:19] Voice 10: of where we're at with proceeding today.

[3:32:24] Voice 23: I

[3:32:25] Voice 8: feel like I'm hearing that there's reluctance

[3:32:31] Voice 8: to go ahead as is.

[3:32:35] Voice 8: So, you know, one option is conditions,

[3:32:38] Voice 8: one another option is to request further information

[3:32:40] Voice 8: and .

[3:32:41] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I would say,

[3:32:42] Trustee Patrick: I think if we could request further information

[3:32:44] Trustee Patrick: just to explore this good neighbor's agreement

[3:32:46] Trustee Patrick: and that would be the one.

[3:32:48] Trustee Patrick: it was

[3:32:49] Voice 8: something that came up the open house and uh i i wasn't sure of the procedure for

[3:32:57] Voice 8: island's trust if you had one or not so it's something that was non-committal to you but

[3:33:02] Voice 8: it was uh it is a good idea to try and mandate any sort of relationships with the community and

[3:33:09] Voice 8: it's something that we can come up with i think it definitely wouldn't hurt

[3:33:15] Voice 8: would you want good okay well

[3:33:19] Trustee Patrick: i'm just so would the wording be that we request the applicant to

[3:33:23] Trustee Patrick: work with staff to develop a good neighbors agreement or what would be the request of the

[3:33:28] Trustee Patrick: because it's sounds like

[3:33:30] Trustee Patrick: two parties have to work on that

[3:33:32] Voice 4: it it seems to me that the the

[3:33:33] Voice 4: relationship issue is is on is the responsibility of the applicant to be honest and the um if there

[3:33:40] Voice 4: is a um a good name good neighbor agreement is possible within the structure of the island's

[3:33:46] Voice 4: trust and there's a process and staff and certainly if directed

[3:33:48] Voice 8: by ltc you can identify

[3:33:51] Voice 8: whether or not that's possible

[3:33:52] Trustee Patrick: well i'm just looking for suggestions of wording is what i

[3:33:55] Trustee Patrick: was really asking for because of the way the request for information if

[3:33:59] Voice 4: i may mr chair um the

[3:34:02] Voice 4: consideration of a good neighborhood

[3:34:03] Voice 8: agreement should probably include um consideration of the

[3:34:09] Voice 8: resource implications of um imposing such a an agreement um versus other uh tools to

[3:34:16] Voice 23: go into that oh okay sorry could you just elaborate a little bit

[3:34:24] Voice 8: primarily around um capacity i mean how are good neighbor agreements enforced what obligation is

[3:34:31] Voice 8: in place on the island's trust versus um in this case the liquor control board um and the

[3:34:36] Voice 8: regulations that exist within that that licensing body um where the the bulk of regulation around

[3:34:42] Voice 8: liquor consumption sites um are housed so um given that you know the fairly relaxed um

[3:34:51] Voice 8: bylaw structure that we have on salt spring towards um serving alcohol um this would be

[3:34:56] Voice 8: maybe a departure and it may be a different um requirement on on our for example our

[3:35:03] Voice 8: enforcement staff if there are complaints um certainly not in the hours that violent

[3:35:07] Voice 8: important options these are the kinds of things that we may want to consider exploring right so

[3:35:14] Voice 8: what i think i'm

[3:35:14] Voice 9: hearing from staff then is that the the the concept of this good neighbor

[3:35:21] Voice 9: agreement needs some

[3:35:22] Voice 8: analysis before he can really give us good advice on whether that's something we

[3:35:26] Voice 8: can uh go ahead with so that might be one motion is to ask for staff to

[3:35:33] Voice 10: to to look into that um

[3:35:38] Voice 23: and then in terms of this application uh to if

[3:35:45] Voice 8: if the ltc would like to get that information

[3:35:47] Voice 8: before making a termination then that's that's a factor any further thoughts i would really

[3:35:55] Voice 8: i want to see this you know happen for for everybody down there the neighborhood needs

[3:36:02] Voice 8: to be behind us as much as possible um i do think the signage is quite a big deal and something

[3:36:07] Voice 8: more maybe not

[3:36:08] Voice 11: as much signage but something much more substantial and permanent um can we

[3:36:14] Voice 6: put permanent signage in with that i

[3:36:16] Voice 8: don't know it'll be something you guys would have to look

[3:36:18] Voice 8: into and it's going to be somewhere or maybe one of the neighbors would be happy to have some

[3:36:23] Voice 8: permanent signage you know but i i think that that would go a

[3:36:28] Voice 23: long way i'm

[3:36:36] Trustee Patrick: back to i'm just

[3:36:37] Trustee Patrick: looking for some suggested language on a motion again as to what exactly would we be i mean in

[3:36:43] Trustee Patrick: terms of a good neighbor agreement are we asking staff or all we've got is this motion number one

[3:36:50] Trustee Patrick: of asking for more information as an alternative so we

[3:36:53] Voice 8: request staff support back on options with

[3:36:56] Voice 8: regard to the viability of good neighbor agreements um secondary if you're asking

[3:37:04] Voice 8: I guess two overalls um the role of you know working with the community is

[3:37:09] Voice 8: argue um I don't think there's a need for a figure where um I mean I would suggest that

[3:37:16] Voice 8: not desirable to have um further public engagement and zoom engagement processes um

[3:37:24] Voice 8: such as previously held so that would be um the duty of the applicant to conduct some type of

[3:37:30] Voice 8: Oh, all right. So they would request the applicant to to conduct ongoing

[3:37:41] Voice 23: community engagement

[3:37:44] Voice 8: or something to improve.

[3:37:48] Voice 8: Like I said, I can't exactly resolve this issue.

[3:37:54] Voice 8: Yeah, the trust does seem to be a lack of community support.

[3:38:01] Voice 8: So I'm not too sure what LTC would expect from the community in terms of, like, how would this need to change in order to move forward with this?

[3:38:12] Voice 8: Maybe the Atlas Trust can't actually, from what I'm hearing, stop it.

[3:38:17] Voice 8: The resources are limited, really, this falls upon the applicant to reach out.

[3:38:23] Voice 8: so we can ask the applicant to reach out and try and alleviate some of the concerns

[3:38:29] Voice 8: with the signage and come back to us um this

[3:38:36] Voice 23: is the next meeting

[3:38:37] Voice 10: yeah uh one thing that occurs

[3:38:39] Voice 10: to me is in respect to the signage and you sort of raised a question that i'm certainly unclear

[3:38:45] Voice 10: on is that maybe we could ask the applicant to look

[3:38:49] Voice 8: into i think you mentioned more permanent

[3:38:52] Voice 8: it more visible signage and maybe request the applicant do that research to find out um you

[3:39:01] Voice 8: know about getting better signage and and uh locating that so that might be one and maybe

[3:39:10] Voice 8: having one piece and and trying to uh and try to reach out to neighbors to make some kind of

[3:39:18] Voice 8: compromises with somebody so i'm not good at well i mean this is really as i think what i'm hearing

[3:39:28] Trustee Patrick: from our pms button is like like wild cider took it upon themselves to do what they needed to do

[3:39:35] Trustee Patrick: to you know improve the relationship and i'm encouraging you to do something maybe wild

[3:39:40] Trustee Patrick: cider go back to them maybe kind of might be competitors to some degree but yeah to hear

[3:39:45] Trustee Patrick: how how they went about it because they they made a serious investment and really changed the

[3:39:50] Trustee Patrick: the attitude of the neighbors by really i mean they put effort to address every issue and came

[3:39:57] Trustee Patrick: in here and showed us how they did and like said they they had now you may not have the same luck

[3:40:03] Trustee Patrick: of getting 100 of your neighbors in agreement but you know i think from our we just need to see that

[3:40:09] Trustee Patrick: that effort has been taken and that there is you know some degree of support and i know it's

[3:40:13] Trustee Patrick: complicated when neighborhoods are neighborhoods and the dynamics of what it's going to be

[3:40:18] Trustee Patrick: um but it's it is you know you will be part of that neighborhood for a long time you know i think

[3:40:24] Trustee Patrick: of the institutions here on the island of salt spring cheese wild cider these areas that really

[3:40:28] Trustee Patrick: become part and parcel of the neighborhood and i think that's where you want to be um i i do believe

[3:40:34] Trustee Patrick: that i just you know i need that confidence to make that decision they

[3:40:37] Voice 12: do have support letters

[3:40:38] Voice 12: is

[3:40:39] Voice 8: a lot of that was mentioned there's four letters that someone else okay

[3:40:43] Voice 8: one of the things that comes to mind like rpm uh said is that what what is acceptable from a uh

[3:40:55] Voice 8: from the neighborhood what is is there a percentage of the neighborhood that

[3:41:00] Voice 8: would expect to agree with which uh proposal going in um because based on what i could see from

[3:41:08] Voice 8: This process is the brewery had done a lot of the things that were within their power

[3:41:14] Voice 8: to change when they listened to the community.

[3:41:17] Voice 8: When it comes to the signage, I'm not quite sure how much more they can do when it comes

[3:41:23] Voice 8: to transit transportation regulations, what sort of signage they can put in, how permanent

[3:41:29] Voice 8: it can be, those sorts of things.

[3:41:33] Voice 8: I just don't want to prolong this longer and longer and longer yeah I understand that

[3:41:42] Voice 8: I understand

[3:41:44] Voice 11: that one of the you know main concerns of the people that came to speak

[3:41:47] Voice 11: against the application today was the signage so you know if we can defer this until maybe the

[3:41:53] Voice 11: next meeting and then leave it up to the applicant to deal with the signage and then that's at least

[3:41:59] Voice 11: going to um um you know satisfy i would hope one of the people's uh that came in here to speak

[3:42:06] Voice 11: against its um issues their main issue was the signage and to me i you know just personally

[3:42:14] Voice 11: these kind of signs i see them flopping around the wind and

[3:42:17] Voice 8: blown over and i think

[3:42:18] Voice 8: you know no disrespect or nothing personal but i you know i don't the signs don't seem like they

[3:42:24] Voice 8: actually even help your business out because it sort of looks you know hokey right

[3:42:30] Voice 12: yeah i agree

[3:42:31] Voice 12: I agree and we also I have on our web page our front page of our website so like that also seems

[3:42:36] Voice 12: to be but it was important I heard all the voices of the

[3:42:40] Voice 12: neighbors trying to

[3:42:41] Voice 12: hear that so it could

[3:42:43] Voice 11: be just a sign on your own property I don't want to get into the conversation but if we could defer

[3:42:46] Voice 11: it and our message

[3:42:48] Voice 8: is pretty clear and different so I I have a sort of uh put together that's

[3:42:54] Voice 8: perhaps two-part suggestion for us to consider and that would be that the uh South Prairie

[3:43:01] Voice 8: island local trust committee request the applicant to submit to the island's trust

[3:43:06] Voice 8: um information on locating permanent signage uh and then the second part and this doesn't

[3:43:12] Voice 8: all have to be one and we can decide how we want to do it but the second part would be that staff

[3:43:16] Voice 8: be requested to report back on on viability of good neighbor agreements and uh if that

[3:43:24] Voice 8: seems reasonable i'm happy to move that and yeah okay so we'll hear this next

[3:43:36] Voice 6: meeting um

[3:43:37] Voice 9: well we

[3:43:38] Voice 9: can back when it comes back yeah come back when it comes back uh staff

[3:43:41] Voice 17: capacity one piece is for

[3:43:43] Voice 17: the applicant so uh that's up to them that timing and then and then the piece we're directing staff

[3:43:49] Voice 17: to do of course is dependent on staff capacity to to produce that um and we can you know when

[3:43:57] Voice 17: it comes no

[3:43:58] Voice 17: i i agree and i hear what you're saying and but uh you know when i want to

[3:44:01] Voice 17: presuppose that staff was going to put a bunch of stuff aside to get this back and it may be that

[3:44:07] Voice 17: when we hear back from the applicant in regard to the signage that uh we may or may not uh have

[3:44:15] Voice 17: the information from staff or we may or

[3:44:18] Voice 10: may not decide that we can proceed without that so that's

[3:44:21] Voice 10: just my suggestion to get us moving today so i

[3:44:26] Voice 17: know that the salt spring island local trust

[3:44:28] Voice 17: committee requests the applicant submit to islands trust information on locating permanent signage

[3:44:46] Voice 23: that's under request further information it's

[3:44:48] Trustee Patrick: speak what signage i mean

[3:44:51] Trustee Patrick: it's

[3:44:51] Voice 8: about what do you want to be more specific about the sign i think they understand i don't

[3:44:56] Voice 8: understand what you mean but make it look better and more permanent like

[3:45:00] Voice 12: a 30 and hard signing

[3:45:02] Voice 12: yeah i

[3:45:03] Voice 8: think lots of wire signage regarding speed

[3:45:05] Trustee Patrick: and safety i think that's yes that's the

[3:45:09] Trustee Patrick: just so that's

[3:45:10] Voice 6: just a little bit more specific is

[3:45:12] Voice 6: that real like is that realistic can we do

[3:45:14] Voice 6: that on someone's property like put a 30 not that we're not willing to do that's

[3:45:19] Voice 8: that's why we're

[3:45:19] Voice 8: asking you for the information so we're not making staff get that information but

[3:45:23] Voice 8: i'm going to go to

[3:45:23] Voice 8: rob yeah whether you want to include it within our bylaws that would have that location of size

[3:45:31] Voice 7: within

[3:45:32] Voice 8: a highway right away requires permission of the ministry of transportation and highways

[3:45:36] Voice 8: and so there are regulations about signage on private property i don't think you want to go

[3:45:45] Voice 8: into an agreement

[3:45:46] Voice 14: on private property with your neighbors uh so but but you have property they

[3:45:51] Voice 11: have property yes and

[3:45:52] Voice 7: there is regulation about that but to

[3:45:54] Voice 11: address the concern it is the approach

[3:45:56] Voice 11: to the property that

[3:45:57] Voice 8: it's seen your neighbors want so that would be through discussion with

[3:46:01] Voice 8: the ministry of transportation um there is not to share in the motion but staff can share with

[3:46:11] Voice 8: the

[3:46:12] Voice 7: applicant information on where to start that discussion with moti um so that you know if

[3:46:21] Voice 7: rebecca's not aware of how to start that conversation we can definitely point you in the

[3:46:25] Voice 7: right

[3:46:25] Voice 8: direction if the motion is passed and uh and it does you know align with what's in our land use

[3:46:33] Voice 8: bylaw okay thank you for that so where where how did we how far did we hit the

[3:46:38] Voice 12: ground okay i can

[3:46:38] Voice 12: need about please uh

[3:46:40] Voice 12: the salt spring island local trust committee requests the applicant to submit

[3:46:44] Voice 12: to the islands trust information on locating permanent signage regarding speed and safety for

[3:46:50] Voice 12: sslcb 28 to 1 at 278.

[3:46:55] Voice 8: okay and trustees i second okay

[3:47:00] Voice 10: and is that you've got a clear idea of what

[3:47:04] Voice 10: we're asking there okay

[3:47:06] Voice 5: so i just want to make sure we've elaborated in a way that makes sense

[3:47:09] Voice 5: to you if there's still the discussion at this point

[3:47:12] Voice 11: where we seconded it uh yes it's moving

[3:47:14] Voice 11: this down into other discussion so i don't think that the speed limit needs to be um stated it's

[3:47:19] Voice 11: the drive

[3:47:20] Voice 8: slow it's not that there needs to be a number in a kilometer per hour something or

[3:47:24] Voice 8: anything like that and and we're not stipulating what that signage needs to say but okay the

[3:47:29] Voice 8: intention of the signage is what we ask for so okay i feel like that's great as long as you

[3:47:36] Voice 8: understand what we're asking for basically uh trustee patrick anything on this okay so no

[3:47:42] Voice 8: further discussion i'll call the question all in favor motion carries and then the second motion

[3:47:47] Voice 8: would be that the local trust committee uh request staff to report back on the viability of

[3:47:54] Voice 8: uh good neighbor agreements

[3:47:57] Voice 23: so i will i'll move back second second

[3:48:07] Voice 8: and any discussion

[3:48:10] Voice 8: Okay, I'll call the question on the paper. Okay, that carries as well.

[3:48:16] Voice 8: Okay, so thank you for coming today and thank you, Rebecca online.

[3:48:22] Voice 8: And hopefully we can get this closer to closer to everyone's satisfaction.

[3:48:28] Voice 8: Thank

[3:48:28] Voice 13: you very much.

[3:48:29] Voice 13: Thank you.

[3:48:30] Voice 13: Thank you.

[3:48:31] Voice 8: All right.

[3:48:32] Voice 8: And Levante, Princess of Exemption 14, which is a proposed bylaw 530, and we've got a staff

[3:48:43] Voice 8: memo.

[3:48:44] Voice 8: There will come soon.

[3:48:45] Voice 8: Summary, page 288.

[3:48:50] Voice 8: Planner Garbo is on.

[3:48:51] Voice 8: And Planner Garbo is online with us today.

[3:48:55] Voice 8: Please go ahead.

[3:48:57] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair.

[3:48:58] Voice 1: Can you hear me?

[3:48:59] Voice 23: Yes.

[3:49:00] Voice 1: Okay.

[3:49:01] Voice 1: Great.

[3:49:01] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair and Trustees. Today's report is really just to give you a summary on the verbal and written comments that we received during the open house, the two open houses, as well as through the conversation with the planner program, which is online, where people schedule a one-on-one conversation with the planner regarding Biola 530,

[3:49:29] Voice 1: as well as the comments that we got from the former referral process and as indicated in the

[3:49:38] Voice 1: staff report there have been comments in support as well as not in support and concerns regarding

[3:49:48] Voice 1: bylaw 530. There are some concerns that doesn't lend to whether it's support or in opposition but

[3:49:57] Voice 1: but they just want to express they have some concerns with the bylaw.

[3:50:01] Voice 1: And with that being said, one thing we do want to point out

[3:50:04] Voice 1: is that we did receive a letter in opposition from, say, Outforce Nations.

[3:50:09] Voice 1: They essentially citing the same concerns they have as the last time

[3:50:14] Voice 1: that they feel we need to, or the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee's

[3:50:21] Voice 1: official community plan should be looked at and assessed

[3:50:25] Voice 1: before we move forward with this bylaw.

[3:50:29] Voice 1: And we also have two alternate recommendations

[3:50:34] Voice 1: for trustees to consider whether we should move forward.

[3:50:38] Voice 1: And there has been a day suggested.

[3:50:41] Voice 1: And also the second motion is whether

[3:50:46] Voice 1: we trustee want to defeat the proposed bylaw or not.

[3:50:50] Voice 1: So with that, I'll be happy to answer any questions.

[3:50:56] Voice 8: Justice, I don't have any questions, I'm going to make comments whenever we can.

[3:51:04] Voice 23: Justice Patrick, welcome. I generally don't have questions

[3:51:11] Trustee Patrick: either but other than, I do note that the Cowichan tribes did support bylaw 530.

[3:51:19] Trustee Patrick: That's not mentioned in the report.

[3:51:21] Trustee Patrick: Court?

[3:51:24] Voice 12: It's important to mention that

[3:51:26] Trustee Patrick: we've got, you know, opposing First Nations, that it's not

[3:51:28] Trustee Patrick: just one. I mean, we've got opposite views.

[3:51:33] Voice 1: I think Cowichan's comment is they are not

[3:51:37] Voice 1: affected by this bylaw. And we also have Malahat. And they, essentially, their practices, they

[3:51:46] Voice 1: reserve for future comments. So they basically will say it's not affected that their interest

[3:51:53] Voice 1: at this stage

[3:51:53] Trustee Patrick: that's the wording that was in i i suggest you take a look i read just just read it

[3:51:58] Trustee Patrick: yesterday and it's that's not the wording that's in there it says it if

[3:52:01] Voice 11: i may mr chair yes i would

[3:52:03] Voice 11: like to add since we're talking about this particular subject we had members of the cowichan

[3:52:08] Voice 11: band in here today voicing support for

[3:52:13] Voice 8: the bylaw and i've heard from many more members of the

[3:52:17] Voice 8: couch and band that reside on Salisbury Island that are failing so we'll leave it there that's

[3:52:24] Voice 8: Patrick um

[3:52:25] Trustee Patrick: I don't know the alternatives really aren't here I'm I'm along I mean by by the time

[3:52:32] Trustee Patrick: we get this bylaw done we'll probably be done with uh revising the OCP anyway at the rate we're going

[3:52:36] Trustee Patrick: but um I'm still interested in trying to find a version of this bylaw that moves us forward to

[3:52:45] Trustee Patrick: make a pathway for people to legalize um suites in particular suites associated with accessory

[3:52:53] Trustee Patrick: buildings that's been my intent from the beginnings um we some of the material we wanted

[3:53:02] Trustee Patrick: sort of the idea of the open house was to sort of bring people through on a bit of a journey suites

[3:53:09] Trustee Patrick: and cottages are being used today and have been used for decades as the primary way of housing

[3:53:16] Trustee Patrick: housing, the secondary rental market here.

[3:53:21] Trustee Patrick: The CRD just last two weeks ago,

[3:53:23] Trustee Patrick: whenever the electoral area committee met,

[3:53:26] Trustee Patrick: put notices on title on five suites and cottages on the island that are

[3:53:32] Trustee Patrick: illegal and existing today.

[3:53:35] Trustee Patrick: And they do that regularly as they go forward.

[3:53:41] Trustee Patrick: What we're trying to do is create a path so that those who do want to be a

[3:53:45] Trustee Patrick: landlord do want to do this legally can do this legally um believe it or not there are law-abiding

[3:53:53] Trustee Patrick: good citizens on this island that will not become landlords if they don't have a path forward but

[3:53:58] Trustee Patrick: are willing to do it if they did so that's what we're trying to achieve with this bylaw

[3:54:05] Trustee Patrick: not double the population not do all these things that are being talked about out there so um

[3:54:15] Trustee Patrick: I don't know what we need to do and that's what I'm looking to staff. I think we've got a couple

[3:54:20] Trustee Patrick: of things to do this summer is take some time to go talk with SAIL, talk with them on email.

[3:54:29] Trustee Patrick: Let's go talk with SAIL. I know the elections are coming up soon and talk to them about what

[3:54:37] Trustee Patrick: our intent was to see what is of their concerns and what can be done to provide a path for some

[3:54:44] Trustee Patrick: folks to have to making it through the gauntlet of getting their accessory dwelling units.

[3:54:53] Trustee Patrick: I know we look at, you know, there was the rainwater workshop here last week,

[3:55:00] Trustee Patrick: talked about the health department, which is noted in their referral.

[3:55:05] Trustee Patrick: Getting those permits and operating permits as required are not a little feat. It's major.

[3:55:11] Trustee Patrick: minimum $60,000 to get that piece of paper for your property and I'll point out that every every

[3:55:19] Trustee Patrick: illegal Airbnb on this island should also have that piece of paper to be legally operating as

[3:55:27] Trustee Patrick: well as they need a license for their groundwater well which they do not have

[3:55:32] Voice 23: so you know it's it's

[3:55:40] Voice 23: It's an, like I said, it's some sort of decision.

[3:55:45] Trustee Patrick: We talked about this.

[3:55:45] Trustee Patrick: I think people need to know that I did look,

[3:55:47] Trustee Patrick: and I finally got a copy of the technical working group,

[3:55:53] Trustee Patrick: had looked at secondary suites back,

[3:55:56] Trustee Patrick: whenever I got the data that I had somewhere in front of me,

[3:55:59] Trustee Patrick: and had a really good conversation.

[3:56:01] Trustee Patrick: And the province participated.

[3:56:03] Trustee Patrick: Flynn Road staff really talked about presenting what are the concerns

[3:56:08] Trustee Patrick: And how do you, how do you say, you know, how do you choose who gets to have these accessory units and who doesn't, how do you alleviate concerns regarding water versus not so there's been some good conversations had and I think when, when we, when we had like the map

[3:56:26] Trustee Patrick: that said 5200 units you know is is is you know it's i understand it's eligibility but the hoops

[3:56:37] Trustee Patrick: that each of you know anyone has to go through is oh never mind money is is overwhelming so i i want

[3:56:44] Trustee Patrick: to take some take this time i mean we have the the the say out elections are coming up and i think we

[3:56:50] Trustee Patrick: We need to take the time, when I say we, it's the local trust committee, to meet with the new council of Seau as well and any other First Nations that we should take some time this summer and talk with them and make sure we understand each other and make sure that we've got their concerns have been addressed.

[3:57:17] Trustee Patrick: addressed. At the same time, we should take a look. Are there anything that we can do to

[3:57:28] Trustee Patrick: improve the bylaws so that we get the confidence that the people who are concerned are going to

[3:57:32] Trustee Patrick: double the population? That's not going to happen. One example would be the, you know,

[3:57:39] Trustee Patrick: we had a clause that says you've got to be in the wild, the Salt Spring Island fire

[3:57:44] Trustee Patrick: fire um district that that removes a whole chunk of them um so that's what i think i'd like to do

[3:57:53] Trustee Patrick: is take this next couple months um planning a a public hearing in the middle of the summer

[3:58:00] Voice 8: um to walk out well

[3:58:02] Trustee Patrick: it's it's doing in the middle of summer is is not good for anyone either um

[3:58:07] Trustee Patrick: um and I I do want to to uh respect sale I do want to respect collagen we have support there

[3:58:17] Trustee Patrick: um and um like I said take that time to do it right so that people can see that this is set up

[3:58:24] Trustee Patrick: um for the right reasons and to be that path to legality whatever

[3:58:30] Voice 23: that looks like so is there any

[3:58:37] Voice 23: comment? Sure, thank you.

[3:58:41] Voice 8: I'm very distraught at what I just heard coming from Trustee Patrick,

[3:58:46] Voice 8: as much as I love Trustee Patrick, honestly. We have great conversations, especially when it

[3:58:53] Voice 8: comes to non-governmental things. But it's

[3:58:57] Voice 11: in the purview of our power to pass this thing as it is.

[3:59:01] Voice 11: I'm 100% ready to go. It was my understanding we were going to do this in July. And, you know,

[3:59:07] Voice 11: the sale we've heard the concern it's in the purview of our power to say we've heard the

[3:59:11] Voice 11: concerns from everybody and now we want to do what's right for our community and what's right

[3:59:18] Voice 11: for our community is to pass bylaw 530 as is no more restrictions get this done because this is a

[3:59:23] Voice 11: drop in the bucket compared to what needs to be done on this island um regarding anything that's

[3:59:30] Voice 11: going to remotely fix the um the collapsing of our community system that we're witnessing

[3:59:35] Voice 8: It is a crisis mode right now, and I can't say that strongly enough, and with the fact

[3:59:48] Voice 8: that we have Cowichan band

[3:59:51] Voice 11: members on our island, they're clearly in support of this,

[3:59:55] Voice 11: And we know that this 5,000 number is a leap and the growth.

[4:00:00] Voice 11: exaggeration of what's going to happen um i'm ready to pass this and i honestly i'd like to

[4:00:07] Voice 11: do this in july like we had planned um and to have the i believe it was the second and third

[4:00:13] Voice 11: reading if i'm not mistaken and um and get on with it the time for talking is done we've been

[4:00:19] Voice 11: talking we were told years ago as trustee max trustee booth mentioned i forget what year was

[4:00:25] Voice 11: was 2002 or 2008 um maybe you might know that but anyways a long time ago um the um it was suggested

[4:00:37] Voice 11: to you know to we were told that i was just was told if you want to fix your workforce housing

[4:00:44] Voice 11: issue like i'm talking decade over a decade ago possibly two decades ago we needed to legalize

[4:00:52] Voice 11: suites and cottages 20 years later the talking's done studies have been done studies been done

[4:00:58] Voice 11: showing there's plenty of water um let's get on with it i don't know what else to do i would love

[4:01:05] Voice 11: to hear get some info from much the chair peterson on how we can move forward with this um as soon

[4:01:12] Voice 11: as possible and have this happen in july like we have talked about in the past um because more

[4:01:19] Voice 11: More talking and more talking.

[4:01:20] Voice 11: I'm afraid we don't have time for more talking.

[4:01:23] Voice 11: People are leaving.

[4:01:24] Voice 11: I had a message last night on Facebook, Messenger.

[4:01:28] Voice 11: I'd love to show it to people at a later date or whatever it is.

[4:01:33] Voice 11: You know, people wanted to come here today.

[4:01:35] Voice 11: You know, workers wanted to come to Bois de Support for Bylaw 530.

[4:01:41] Voice 11: The fellow's a contractor in the island, concrete finisher,

[4:01:46] Voice 11: hell of a hardworking person.

[4:01:48] Voice 11: person he said I would love to come with my crew but we can't we're working we got bills to pay

[4:01:52] Voice 11: and there's someone else on my crew that would have would have loved to have come too but

[4:01:57] Voice 11: unfortunately in the last month he killed himself and one of the reasons the guy cited for killing

[4:02:02] Voice 11: himself was he didn't have anywhere to live like the time for talking is done and to have this kind

[4:02:10] Voice 11: of I'm sorry but I'm ready to pass this as is I don't support any lengthening of this process

[4:02:16] Voice 11: I think it's a gross injustice to our community.

[4:02:20] Voice 11: I can't say it any stronger,

[4:02:23] Voice 8: and I'll leave it at that.

[4:02:25] Voice 8: And again, no disrespect to Trustee Patrick. I love her.

[4:02:30] Voice 8: Thank you, Trustee Harris. I appreciate your passion.

[4:02:36] Voice 8: I was just going to ask about a couple of timing issues.

[4:02:41] Voice 8: uh trust patrick you were mentioning the ceo uh election is july 5th july 5th okay

[4:02:54] Voice 23: and i'm just

[4:02:56] Voice 23: looking at our schedule

[4:02:59] Voice 10: we have the july 12th and 13th meetings and then we're our next meeting is

[4:03:07] Voice 10: in september um

[4:03:10] Voice 8: trying to wrap my head around realistic

[4:03:15] Voice 23: timelines here um obviously what

[4:03:26] Voice 23: staff needs

[4:03:27] Voice 8: from us is some some direction today well

[4:03:30] Voice 11: now that my blood pressure's dropped a couple

[4:03:32] Voice 11: degrees um

[4:03:33] Voice 8: can we not continue with the plan as we have talked about prior that we were going to

[4:03:40] Voice 8: have the i believe it's the second and third reading correct me if i'm wrong on in the july

[4:03:45] Voice 8: meeting and then that would be finalized then we could have a resolution without meeting and then

[4:03:53] Voice 8: go on to that would go to the executive committee after that i mean i would move we do that whatever

[4:04:01] Voice 8: the correct wording is i don't know forgive me uh staff did you want to comment at

[4:04:07] Voice 8: all on the

[4:04:07] Voice 8: timing the the shortest possible path to adopting the bylaw paper would be to um schedule the public

[4:04:15] Voice 8: hearing um right away and by right away i mean mr engel will actually handle the day off tomorrow

[4:04:20] Voice 8: to publish this um this notice in the in the paper uh to bring it back on july 12th um and then we

[4:04:27] Voice 8: would proceed to uh have public hearing on the 12th uh and read it third time at that meeting

[4:04:34] uh at which point would be referred to the executive committee uh for consideration in uh

[4:04:39] Voice 8: whenever the next meeting is after that and go and we could ostensibly do a resolution without

[4:04:47] Voice 8: meeting at any time after the EC is completed to adopt the bylaw. So that is that is the quickest

[4:04:56] Voice 8: path. Thank you. Can we please put some wording together so I can make that motion?

[4:05:02] Voice 8: The wording is there in the Mr. Chair in the in the recommendation. We have heard back from

[4:05:09] Voice 8: say

[4:05:10] Voice 4: out however that um a fairly strong letter um indicating that um they remain opposed

[4:05:16] Voice 11: um

[4:05:18] Voice 11: we've heard those we've heard those concerns i'm sorry for interrupting we've heard the concerns

[4:05:22] Voice 11: um and i i hear it but we

[4:05:25] Voice 8: want to do what's best for our community i would just add um a

[4:05:29] Voice 8: consideration uh

[4:05:31] Voice 10: is that um is that this does need to pass through executive committee yeah and um

[4:05:40] Voice 10: I would just want to caution that if the sale objection, it remains outstanding at the time that it gets to the executive committee, the executive committee may choose to not support.

[4:05:56] Voice 10: Maybe.

[4:05:57] Voice 10: So I just want to point that that is a possibility.

[4:06:01] Voice 10: So that's in terms of

[4:06:04] Voice 5: the success of this.

[4:06:05] Voice 5: I just want to point out that that is a consideration.

[4:06:10] Voice 5: I don't

[4:06:11] Voice 10: want to presuppose how the committee might vote on it, but

[4:06:16] Voice 10: it may be, I hear your urgency.

[4:06:21] Voice 10: I'm just wondering if it might be more prudent to try and address those concerns of sale before we get it off to the executive committee just in terms of aiming for success.

[4:06:38] Voice 10: if i

[4:06:38] Voice 5: could if i

[4:06:39] Voice 11: could add chair peterson yeah i think um we know that the concerns that were

[4:06:44] Voice 11: brought to the sale were brought to them by opponents to this bylaw and we have no idea

[4:06:50] Voice 11: on the wording of what has gone to um to them fully

[4:06:55] Voice 8: and completely and we never will and will

[4:06:57] Voice 8: we ever get a um a an agreement from them without you know to me it's just it seems

[4:07:08] Voice 8: just like a truly disservice to everybody involved. Again I

[4:07:12] Voice 11: think we've heard the

[4:07:13] Voice 11: concerns we've also heard from the Cowichan and we've heard from First Nations on Salt

[4:07:18] Voice 11: Spring Island that live here whose family members are impacted directly from the lack

[4:07:24] Voice 11: of affordable housing here and this again is just a drop in the bucket so

[4:07:28] Voice 8: I would hope that

[4:07:28] Voice 8: EC would understand that and really take that into consideration when this comes in front of them.

[4:07:38] Voice 8: Yeah, I was

[4:07:40] Voice 10: just wanting to point out that that is, it's a factor worth considering that if, you know, if we're aiming for the soonest possible success, this may be one of those situations where I know you're not going to love to hear this, but that we're maybe slowing down a little bit may get us there faster.

[4:08:06] Voice 10: because if it because of ec and i i'm not saying that ec would turn it down i'm just saying

[4:08:12] Voice 10: that a factor like this i can i'm imagining the potential i think so i just

[4:08:20] Voice 5: wanted i just i just

[4:08:21] Voice 5: wanted to have a caution there and i'm gonna i'm gonna pass it over to you well just yeah

[4:08:24] Voice 5: please thank you very quickly i

[4:08:27] Voice 11: think that if we can do this motion as i was suggesting that

[4:08:31] Voice 11: That we could, between now and then,

[4:08:34] Voice 8: talk with EC and have a movement made to help them realize the concerns and realize that

[4:08:49] Voice 11: it would be a good decision to pass this as is.

[4:08:54] Voice 11: I want to make this motion. I think it's very important.

[4:08:57] Voice 11: weren't i don't think you know stalling for two months is going to make any difference whatsoever

[4:09:04] Voice 11: and then the outcome of

[4:09:06] Voice 8: what the sale are going to say on this i

[4:09:08] Voice 5: don't i don't see it i respect

[4:09:10] Voice 5: your opinion on that i just i just feel like i it was important for me to bring that up because

[4:09:15] Voice 5: and i

[4:09:15] Voice 11: appreciate it if we're

[4:09:16] Voice 5: going for the success of this bylaw it's important it's important that

[4:09:20] Voice 11: we talk to ec members of ec and make the argument clear and and let them know how urgent this is and

[4:09:27] Voice 11: how it's actually just a drop in the bucket of what actually needs to be done here so if this

[4:09:32] Voice 11: isn't acceptable then how are we going to ever really justify um are not justified but realize

[4:09:41] Voice 11: any real movement on addressing the crisis that our community is facing and we have the power to

[4:09:46] Voice 11: do so got support yeah um so wherever this motion is on here somebody could please direct me to it

[4:09:52] Voice 11: i would love to read it okay i'm going to go to trustee

[4:09:55] Voice 10: patrick for a minute and i think that's

[4:09:57] Voice 10: what you're looking for is on page 290 of the 290 um and just before i pass it over to

[4:10:06] Voice 10: trustee patrick i guess the only other thing i would add to this this part of the discussion

[4:10:12] Voice 10: is that of course um assuming that ec uh approves it then it does go to the minister

[4:10:19] Voice 10: and there is also the minister does

[4:10:23] Voice 10: it not oh okay there's no i retract

[4:10:26] Voice 10: that never mind thank

[4:10:27] Voice 10: you but so it is important that we that we consider you know ec's needs to needs to pass

[4:10:37] Voice 10: it for it to go forward uh trustee patrick well

[4:10:39] Trustee Patrick: as i say if ec turns uh denies uh salt

[4:10:44] Trustee Patrick: spring land use bylaw um there'll be other issues um there certainly will not happen

[4:10:54] Voice 8: happen.

[4:10:54] Trustee Patrick: I want to be clear that this problem is not you and I. We did not create this incredibly

[4:11:01] Trustee Patrick: horrible situation. This 2009 housing needs assessment, this is an Islands Trust housing

[4:11:08] Trustee Patrick: needs assessment. It talks about people are living horribly, but they can't report their

[4:11:15] Trustee Patrick: conditions because they wouldn't be living anywhere. We know lots of cases like this. We

[4:11:20] Trustee Patrick: lost a 22 year old last month she was living in the rough and died as a result of complications

[4:11:27] Trustee Patrick: from prescription drugs by this 2009 i don't know how anybody reads these reports and didn't respond

[4:11:35] Trustee Patrick: thank

[4:11:35] Voice 11: you for reading that

[4:11:36] Trustee Patrick: um you know it predicted the growth on this island bang on

[4:11:42] Trustee Patrick: and it said how much work needed to be done to prepare for that growth and we had this

[4:11:47] Trustee Patrick: this dibbling and dabbling of trying to address the suites and cottages that were identified

[4:11:53] Trustee Patrick: with Salt Spring being the laggard to keep this seasonal cottage content that's here.

[4:12:00] Trustee Patrick: So I'm comfortable with where we were trying to go and what we're doing.

[4:12:05] Trustee Patrick: And the problem is still going to be here in September, even if we approve this in July.

[4:12:11] Trustee Patrick: I mean, I'm not trying to slow things down in any way, shape or form.

[4:12:18] Trustee Patrick: the illegal housing and i think the story needs to be told that was what the intent

[4:12:22] Trustee Patrick: on the open house we were trying to get keep the people are living in suites and cottages today

[4:12:28] Trustee Patrick: many ramshackle because they were done illegally and um and then there are like so there are good

[4:12:36] Trustee Patrick: good cases and people need to see the pictures people need to see that on this island if they

[4:12:41] Trustee Patrick: think that people are living in you know crofton brook and all these other places that are built

[4:12:47] Trustee Patrick: 30 or 40 people are but we have thousands of employees on this island thousands you know we

[4:12:54] Trustee Patrick: had a whole crowd in here this morning about the liveaboards out there many of them are rowing in

[4:12:58] Trustee Patrick: in the morning to go to work and we've driven them there you know not you and i

[4:13:07] Trustee Patrick: they've been

[4:13:08] Trustee Patrick: there when we we got elected we have a chance to change it we the bylaw 530 won't do that either

[4:13:14] Trustee Patrick: it's a drop

[4:13:15] Trustee Patrick: in the bucket but it will it's a path and

[4:13:18] Voice 23: then we can move on to bigger

[4:13:19] Trustee Patrick: things i mean i

[4:13:19] Trustee Patrick: did reach i reached out to adam wilson last week because about say out because i he's not say out

[4:13:24] Trustee Patrick: he's sorry but i did reach out to him and ask and he just said the election's coming up he said there

[4:13:30] Trustee Patrick: wouldn't be a letter coming and how we got a letter last week is a mystery um because he said

[4:13:36] Trustee Patrick: there would be no letter coming because they're in the elections that's their attention um

[4:13:42] Trustee Patrick: I think we need to sit down and talk with them, show them that the illegal housing being built

[4:13:47] Trustee Patrick: and used on this island is causing far more environmental impact and damage than this

[4:13:53] Trustee Patrick: bylaw will ever do in a thousand years. We need to move away from relying on illegal housing.

[4:14:01] Trustee Patrick: That is, from an elected standpoint, that to me, someone should sue us for that.

[4:14:07] Trustee Patrick: that. We can't rely on illegal housing for our workforce on this island. No, I need a doctor

[4:14:15] Trustee Patrick: for my voice. I don't have a doctor anymore. I can't even have doctors find housing. So this

[4:14:21] Trustee Patrick: isn't about poor people being housed. This is our workforce being housed. So all I'm suggesting is

[4:14:28] Trustee Patrick: we take a little bit of time to allow this election to happen. Let's go speak with Seattle.

[4:14:33] Trustee Patrick: out let's go talk to them about what's happening on the island maybe they have some ideas to even

[4:14:38] Trustee Patrick: make it better i'd like to owe them that bit of respect and um and it'll only help us with

[4:14:45] Trustee Patrick: our relationship to what we've got coming with the ocp project as well if we do this um and in

[4:14:52] Trustee Patrick: the meantime i'd like staff just to look at you know what we've heard tiny bit of things you know

[4:14:58] Trustee Patrick: the fire district one was a no-brainer to look at that and say whoops yep we probably should have

[4:15:03] Trustee Patrick: said they should be inside the fire district there was a couple of minor suggestions from

[4:15:07] Trustee Patrick: the fire department about the sign good good idea i think we'd plot the driveway thing anyway but

[4:15:13] Trustee Patrick: that's that's there and i think it's also about i think if we take the time

[4:15:20] Trustee Patrick: i know staff have busy and we have haven't the resources but telling the story of what it takes

[4:15:26] Trustee Patrick: to approve these things is going to be the same today as it is tomorrow when we get around to this

[4:15:33] Trustee Patrick: so it's time well spent to help communicate to people

[4:15:37] Voice 23: what's involved what's involved

[4:15:43] Trustee Patrick: um there's some advocacy that as a community we could be doing as we learned last week in

[4:15:48] Trustee Patrick: the rainwater workshop that washington state's rules make it a little easier for

[4:15:54] Trustee Patrick: you know the two connection rule where bc has gone with well you know two connections you have

[4:16:02] Trustee Patrick: to have um you win the you win the lottery on having our need to win the lottery to put in a

[4:16:08] Trustee Patrick: water system so that's all i'm asking is we take a couple of months um i disagree and it will

[4:16:16] Trustee Patrick: strengthen our position and set us and you know this is all work we have to do anyway for the

[4:16:21] Trustee Patrick: the OCP project so we're not we're not wasting time we're building we're building credibility

[4:16:26] Voice 11: I have to disagree I'm sorry I respectfully disagree you read that letter from 2008 or just

[4:16:32] Voice 11: now I'm like what more evidence do we need that we got to get on we don't need any more talking

[4:16:37] Voice 11: we've talked and talked and talked and study after study water study housing study people are dying

[4:16:43] Voice 11: we got people it's already done with people don't need to see any pictures it's we know

[4:16:48] Voice 11: We know the issue. It's time to move. We need to pass this ASAP so we can actually try and make a difference in a bigger and more substantial way. And then let's talk about this sale, about that. This is so minuscule.

[4:17:03] Voice 11: fuel we can bring that evidence to them when we go to talk to them about zoning that we'd like to

[4:17:08] Voice 11: do or so or um the you know the uh the alr issue in ganges and we're densifying ganges and bring

[4:17:15] Voice 11: this information to them then like what is holding us back to me you know we're we're doing our due

[4:17:21] Voice 11: diligence we've heard from people we've heard from the sale to think that we're going to wait

[4:17:26] Voice 11: for another election there i to me it's a waste of time staff time um people's um you know patience

[4:17:35] Voice 11: is wearing very very thin not just my own my passion comes from everybody else that i hear

[4:17:41] Voice 11: talking to me about this um and again i read here i'm a member of the workforce i've had people

[4:17:48] Voice 11: you know trying to align me online you're saying i'm not a working class or some crap like that i

[4:17:55] Voice 11: I am, and I realize what is going on here.

[4:17:58] Voice 11: I am very connected to this community

[4:18:00] Voice 11: and to the local Indigenous

[4:18:02] Voice 11: who are vastly in support of this bylaw.

[4:18:05] Voice 11: I am 100% ready to move on this,

[4:18:08] Voice 11: and I feel very confident that the Executive Committee

[4:18:10] Voice 11: will see what needs to be done

[4:18:13] Voice 11: and be happy to pass this,

[4:18:14] Voice 11: and we can still talk with the say out

[4:18:17] Voice 11: and create a...

[4:18:19] Voice 11: This is not going to harm our relationship with the say out

[4:18:21] Voice 11: in any way, shape, or form.

[4:18:23] Voice 11: If anything, I think this will help

[4:18:24] Voice 11: um

[4:18:24] Voice 8: and build a new relationship with them i'm for i'm ready to move um that we uh have this reading

[4:18:33] Voice 8: on july 12th okay uh i

[4:18:39] Voice 10: was actually just going to suggest that we we might want to look at

[4:18:43] Voice 10: resolutions because i think we've all had a chance oh that's right

[4:18:47] Trustee Patrick: um i did go speak with um

[4:18:51] Trustee Patrick: The previous planner that was involved in the secondary suite work, and she had talked that they had talked about that this was an intensity of use conversation is what was used for the suites.

[4:19:10] Trustee Patrick: because we have you know 1500 suites were put forward um under the the intensity of use

[4:19:18] Trustee Patrick: so i don't know if you know somehow the conversation changed it was the same

[4:19:23] Trustee Patrick: the ocp is 2008. the suites were 2013 and so i don't know how we've evolved the conversation

[4:19:34] Trustee Patrick: on interpretation if it's intensity of use which makes sense to me because this is an accessory use

[4:19:41] Trustee Patrick: um and anyway um trust me i understand the passion that you've been through

[4:19:51] Trustee Patrick: you know i know you're getting you know people saying what who you are and then i've got

[4:19:57] Trustee Patrick: globe and mail saying i'm a developer well

[4:19:59] Voice 11: you know that these people are completely

[4:20:03] Voice 11: off base in their comments calling us the forces of evil nothing could be farther than the truth

[4:20:07] Voice 11: to me that that warrants legal moves you know i've said things about about um opposing views

[4:20:14] Voice 11: but nothing to that effect um so we're not going to satisfy those types and those are the types

[4:20:21] Voice 11: that are going to different first nations with a skewed um vision of what's happening here on

[4:20:26] Voice 11: salt spring island we know that i know that and again i've spoken to local first nations members

[4:20:33] Voice 11: Members of the Cowichan tribe, members of the Penelope tribe, like, talk to them one-on-one, see them daily at the grocery store, work side-by-side with the falling trees.

[4:20:43] Voice 8: They're for this.

[4:20:45] Voice 8: What more do we need?

[4:20:48] Voice 8: I'm ready to move on this.

[4:20:49] Voice 8: I really am.

[4:20:50] Voice 11: Yeah, trustees have some support.

[4:20:51] Voice 17: I don't want to constrain the conversation unduly because I think it's important to everyone who

[4:20:58] Voice 10: has their opinions out here.

[4:21:02] Voice 10: but I'm just in terms of what we're going to do today.

[4:21:09] Voice 10: I'm happy to entertain a motion if that's where you're at.

[4:21:13] Voice 10: And we'd love to, and if we have a motion on the floor,

[4:21:17] Voice 10: then we can discuss the merits of the motion.

[4:21:22] Voice 10: And I know that Patrick is also thinking hard,

[4:21:26] Voice 10: so maybe there's more than one hatching here,

[4:21:29] Voice 10: but go ahead.

[4:21:29] Voice 11: More than happy to propose this, that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee accept the staff

[4:21:34] Voice 8: report on the open houses summary and request staff to schedule a public hearing for proposed bylaw number 530, cited as Salt Spring Island land use bylaw number 355, 1999, amendment number 1, 2022, in on July 12th.

[4:21:48] Voice 8: On July 12th.

[4:21:53] Voice 8: Yeah, I think in the end of the

[4:21:55] Voice 23: week it would be in there.

[4:21:58] Voice 23: Yeah.

[4:21:58] Voice 8: Okay, so moved.

[4:22:00] Voice 8: moved uh i'll second for discussion purposes move the

[4:22:09] Voice 10: second uh discussion

[4:22:14] Trustee Patrick: i i would would like to amend just to delay the public hearing um i don't want i don't

[4:22:25] Trustee Patrick: necessarily want to put a specific date in there um to allow for um us to have that time to to talk

[4:22:35] Trustee Patrick: to um whichever first nations we can over the summer um and uh also to have staff um

[4:22:46] Trustee Patrick: you know take a to look at all the opportunities for example the fire district map um

[4:22:53] Trustee Patrick: um for the bylaw and you know that we um

[4:22:59] Voice 8: so that that would be my my preference

[4:23:02] Voice 8: okay and i'm just gonna i just wanna take a moment

[4:23:04] Voice 9: to go over to staff um capacity issues

[4:23:11] Voice 9: um in terms of uh first nations conversation what's

[4:23:16] Voice 8: what's so what's realistic so um

[4:23:22] Voice 8: in terms of what's realistic um the ltc has asked us to initiate dialogue with um

[4:23:29] Voice 8: and prepare a strategy for engagement and engagement, including members living not conserved

[4:23:36] Voice 8: on the Salt Spring LTA.

[4:23:38] Voice 8: So that's, I wouldn't be suggesting, I only bring that up because this is, I don't think

[4:23:44] Voice 8: this implies that there would be a second meeting.

[4:23:48] Voice 8: That being said, I mean, I think it's important to note that staff have engaged, especially

[4:23:53] Voice 8: with say out given their interest in this bylaw consistently.

[4:23:58] Voice 8: We engaged at the back of the winter. We did refer this application, so the letter that we received, you know, which was subsequently pulled because of some issues that we had to clarify.

[4:24:08] Voice 8: However, there are two drafts that SAO doesn't look at in the last four months.

[4:24:13] Voice 8: Both of them are marginally different and unlikely to see their response change.

[4:24:20] Voice 8: So it's just to say that,

[4:24:22] Voice 5: you know, staff have engaged a number of times on this on this bylaws.

[4:24:27] Voice 5: um so i am skeptical that

[4:24:28] Voice 8: asking staff to speak again to say out without any any statement of

[4:24:34] Voice 8: how this could change or um that would be that would be a challenge for us to to convey and i

[4:24:41] Voice 8: would respectfully say that it may be best for uh to put this into the government to government

[4:24:46] Voice 8: conversation additionally i think it may be somewhat challenging to um to place a timeline

[4:24:52] Voice 8: timeline on say out I think it's a pretty difficult way to start a conversation with say out with any

[4:24:57] Voice 8: First Nation really it's a best practice to go um to not impose timelines um if it sort of goes

[4:25:04] Voice 8: against the notion of required response percent which is probably the bar that you're trying to

[4:25:09] Voice 8: witness approach so that's my my advice to you would be mostly to focus on um and working with

[4:25:15] Voice 8: um say out um another First Nation degree if we want to you know we're doing this outreach anyway

[4:25:20] Voice 8: So you can do it with other First Nations as well, if there's a desire to do so.

[4:25:25] Voice 8: Additionally, I would say that in my experience, post-election, your opportunity to engage with new leadership, as is expected, the

[4:25:35] Voice 7: current sitting chief is not running again.

[4:25:38] Voice 7: We know that. So we know that there will be a new leader

[4:25:41] Voice 8: and I can't speculate on the rest of the council.

[4:25:43] Voice 8: So these things, you know, there's an orientation period and everything else going on.

[4:25:47] Voice 8: so that's just something for LPC to consider as they go forward with any kind of engagement.

[4:25:53] Voice 8: Yes, I'm going to thank you for that on Chris's, one of Hutton's remarks. It's

[4:26:01] Voice 11: glaring. We have, you guys have reached out and done a great job at doing so and we have

[4:26:08] Voice 11: done our due diligence. We've heard from the First Nations. Now to think that just because

[4:26:14] Voice 11: a First Nations doesn't agree with something that we want to do, it means that we're never

[4:26:18] Voice 11: going to do anything until all the First Nations agree is a real stretch to imagine a world

[4:26:25] Voice 11: where that is the reality.

[4:26:29] Voice 11: We have support from First Nations, and some clearly say they aren't affected by this.

[4:26:35] Voice 11: And it could be reasonable that the sale, are they really affected by this?

[4:26:42] Voice 11: how are they not how are they affected more than the couch and you know we're never going to get

[4:26:48] Voice 11: consensus we haven't reached out already um and the the fire district um map that um trustee

[4:26:56] Voice 11: patrick brings up to me seems completely you know um i don't see how that relates to this

[4:27:02] Voice 11: in any

[4:27:03] Voice 8: way shape or form um you know any place that has a building permit already has to pass

[4:27:07] Voice 8: you know uh regulations with um with the uh fire hall um to ensure that the fireball can get to

[4:27:18] Voice 8: these places so

[4:27:19] Voice 11: you know that that's that's already going to be dealt with and um the other

[4:27:24] Voice 8: cons um i guess what was your other concern i'm sorry you were from christy patrick towards the

[4:27:29] Voice 8: fire and matthew well

[4:27:31] Trustee Patrick: i mean there's there's a number of recommendations that came out of here

[4:27:34] Trustee Patrick: some even say to make the units bigger there's been suggestions that we got from well we could

[4:27:39] Voice 11: amend we could amend the bylaw at a later date i'm sorry i shouldn't have interrupted my speech there

[4:27:44] Voice 11: but i'm proposed to make this i don't i definitely do not want to see an amendment and i will not

[4:27:48] Voice 11: support an amendment to this i think it's just more wasted time we could amend the bylaw at a

[4:27:54] Voice 11: later date if that's what you're suggesting that the units could be bigger well and that's amended

[4:27:57] Voice 11: at a later date let's get on with this we can do it you and i have the power we just need the

[4:28:01] Voice 11: political background to say we've heard from the community we've heard from the local first nations

[4:28:05] Voice 11: we've heard from other first nations and we're ready to make a decision based on what we feel

[4:28:10] Voice 11: is best for our community um and i i'm strongly certain that um the ec will see the light and we

[4:28:20] Voice 11: can also still reach out in between now and then and as this um thing progresses and and let people

[4:28:26] Voice 11: know what we're up to why and if we want to get pictures out but there's no in my opinion no need

[4:28:31] Voice 11: to delay this any farther and

[4:28:34] Voice 8: um again i don't support an amendment of stretching the timeline

[4:28:38] Voice 8: um

[4:28:39] Voice 12: anyway

[4:28:43] Voice 8: i'll i'm going to make the

[4:28:45] Trustee Patrick: the amendment and i don't like i said

[4:28:47] Trustee Patrick: i understand what you're saying and um and um i can understand sales confusion

[4:28:57] Trustee Patrick: fusion. I mean, they were told in February that we were doing a different approach. And then we

[4:29:06] Trustee Patrick: didn't know that's what they were told. And we didn't take that approach. So it looks like we

[4:29:10] Trustee Patrick: flip-flopped. If I were to say, I think that we flip-flopped. I

[4:29:14] Voice 8: just want to clarify, let's see,

[4:29:16] Voice 8: we did engage in discussion for LPC direction and talked about potential options to see if those

[4:29:23] Voice 8: would be acceptable or not um following the reset and readings of file at 5 30 as it is before you

[4:29:30] Voice 8: today uh we referred that that letter what appears to have happened last week is that uh the staff

[4:29:36] Voice 8: member responded to the wrong you know uh but did speak with that that staff member uh we noted that

[4:29:42] Voice 8: the year was off but it was still stuck in january where you're still running 22 instead of 23. she

[4:29:47] Voice 8: didn't confirm that this was a letter that was received um which was drafted with engagement

[4:29:52] Voice 8: engagement from leadership and it was it was the referral letter that she was responding that they

[4:29:59] Voice 8: were responding

[4:30:00] Voice 8: um i followed up with them a number of times before we got that letter on the agenda uh

[4:30:04] Voice 8: unfortunately it's not in the package today however it has been the uh first person was

[4:30:09] Voice 8: shared with you all but this is that it is the conversation that we've had to date have been

[4:30:14] Voice 8: about in a little bit with what i've proceeded to ask us to do with regards to this body thank you

[4:30:20] Voice 8: anyway i'm

[4:30:22] Trustee Patrick: going to move that we amend the motion to change the wording that says would be held

[4:30:30] Trustee Patrick: at the scheduled july 12th special meeting to

[4:30:34] Voice 23: uh would be held in september i think it's just the

[4:30:52] Voice 23: july

[4:30:52] Voice 8: 12th to september would be the amendment just in september september so that the motion

[4:31:02] Voice 12: would be amended to replace july 12th 2023 with september yeah

[4:31:11] Voice 23: okay i'll second that

[4:31:25] Trustee Patrick: and then like i said then the reason the only reason to defer that is i would i'm gonna i'm

[4:31:30] Trustee Patrick: gonna make a motion asking staff to suggest potential amendments um and gives us some time

[4:31:39] Trustee Patrick: you know to have government to government conversations with say out and any other

[4:31:44] Trustee Patrick: uh nations um and and hopefully as well is it is very frustrating um you know that

[4:31:55] Trustee Patrick: I still don't feel as an elected person that I've got the guidance material or the policies to lean

[4:32:01] Trustee Patrick: on when we have, you know, I think in terms of the vortex earlier, we had say out in favor and we had

[4:32:08] Trustee Patrick: gouging against, you know, we're put in an awkward position every time this happens.

[4:32:14] Trustee Patrick: I'm just saying

[4:32:15] Trustee Patrick: it's an awkward place when we don't have the policies and the guidance to help us in

[4:32:21] Voice 1: this

[4:32:22] Trustee Patrick: this case never i i understand that except in this this case i did i reached out to adam olson

[4:32:29] Trustee Patrick: because i i don't have have have feel i have the support available to ask what to do in the

[4:32:36] Trustee Patrick: specific case his recommendation was to talk to me we

[4:32:39] Voice 8: have local vaccinations in support

[4:32:40] Trustee Patrick: so that's

[4:32:41] Trustee Patrick: that that's what i'm basing basing this amendment on well

[4:32:47] Voice 8: i can't support the amendment um you know

[4:32:49] Voice 8: I think we've already done all the talking we need.

[4:32:52] Voice 11: We've talked to everybody already.

[4:32:55] Voice 11: And then we've already deferred this.

[4:32:57] Voice 11: Like, we were trying to do this early on in this term.

[4:33:01] Voice 11: And it's been deferred and deferred.

[4:33:02] Voice 11: And here we are, and we're going to defer it tomorrow.

[4:33:04] Voice 11: And we kick it down the road, and we'll defer it until, you know, the end of the term.

[4:33:09] Voice 11: Like, let's get on with it.

[4:33:11] Voice 11: We've got fish to fry here.

[4:33:12] Voice 11: This is the time

[4:33:14] Voice 8: to start cooking is now.

[4:33:16] Voice 23: I do not support this amendment.

[4:33:24] Voice 23: well i'm uh it's a good

[4:33:28] Voice 10: conversation and a difficult one all around i can i can see

[4:33:33] Voice 10: there's a lot of

[4:33:34] Voice 11: frustration at the table in the community as well under chair um yes

[4:33:38] Voice 11: trust me my my i'm channeling the frustration of

[4:33:41] Voice 5: the community not just me no and i i understand

[4:33:45] Voice 5: that um i'm

[4:33:48] Voice 10: going to support the amendment um nonetheless uh because i would like to

[4:33:57] Voice 10: i'd like the ltc to have the benefit of at least trying to to make this approach before we go ahead

[4:34:06] Voice 10: and and pass this and and i i actually do have real concerns about taking

[4:34:13] Voice 8: the approach of the

[4:34:15] Voice 8: quicker approach uh in in terms of the acceptance of the ec i really do the

[4:34:21] Voice 11: longer it takes our

[4:34:22] Voice 11: community system fails and our community is seeing that we're seeing the hospitals on diversion

[4:34:26] Voice 11: conversion um you know hydro workers don't have places to live um the insurance office just went

[4:34:32] Voice 11: down to four days a week because they don't can't get staff enough of nowhere to live

[4:34:36] Voice 11: talking's done we know what needs to be done referring this is in my mind uh completely a

[4:34:44] Voice 11: disservice to our community on a grand scale and as the community has had disservice done to them

[4:34:50] Voice 11: on a grand scale for many years now we have a chance to um actually change that and again i

[4:34:55] Voice 11: I do not support the amendment

[4:34:57] Voice 8: of extending the timeline.

[4:35:01] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:35:03] Voice 8: Thank you.

[4:35:04] Voice 8: Trustee Patrick.

[4:35:05] Voice 8: I

[4:35:05] Trustee Patrick: just want to, I mean,

[4:35:06] Trustee Patrick: like I said, I know you feel,

[4:35:08] Trustee Patrick: I actually agree with you.

[4:35:13] Trustee Patrick: The kick the can down the road

[4:35:15] Trustee Patrick: planning that has happened,

[4:35:17] Trustee Patrick: the trustees before us

[4:35:18] Trustee Patrick: that did not take the leadership

[4:35:20] Trustee Patrick: to plan for a community

[4:35:22] Trustee Patrick: that was predicted to grow.

[4:35:24] Trustee Patrick: We've got what we got.

[4:35:26] Trustee Patrick: I know, but I'm saying that what I'm proposing is going to put us in even a stronger ground I want this OC I want this OCP project we're going to do to make a big difference.

[4:35:41] Trustee Patrick: See.

[4:35:43] Voice 8: Well,

[4:35:44] Trustee Patrick: no, I mean this is this is to be investment into also setting that project up on the right path if if if if EC were to turn down this in July.

[4:35:55] Trustee Patrick: They'd

[4:35:55] Voice 11: be setting that they're opening up the wrath of the community

[4:35:58] Trustee Patrick: that's there.

[4:36:00] Voice 11: So I I really think they would see the light and understand that this needs to pass.

[4:36:03] Trustee Patrick: This isn't

[4:36:04] Voice 11: going to destroy our environment. This is something that the community needs quite clearly.

[4:36:10] Voice 11: The province is doing this in other jurisdictions, so you need to leave my suites and cottages.

[4:36:14] Voice 11: This is a no-brainer.

[4:36:16] Voice 8: Yeah, like

[4:36:17] Voice 11: it's a no-brainer and to take this down the road further to me, and i'm not sure why I can see it so clearly.

[4:36:21] Voice 11: But myself and any others, including local First Nations, is very

[4:36:28] Voice 8: baffling to me that this is even a conversation that we're trying to extend this when we know that our community is suffering and has been.

[4:36:42] Voice 8: OK, so I think I

[4:36:44] Voice 10: feel like I've heard the opinions here.

[4:36:48] Voice 10: And unless there's anything new, I'm going to go ahead and call the question on the amendment.

[4:36:51] Voice 10: Right. So all in favor of the amendment and opposed be what your opposition noted.

[4:37:02] Voice 10: Yes, please. Yes. Trustee Harris is opposed.

[4:37:06] Voice 10: OK, so now we have an amended motion. Anything further on the amended motion?

[4:37:12] Voice 10: I will be making an additional motion. You're going to plan an additional motion.

[4:37:16] Voice 10: OK, so there's nothing further on the amended motion.

[4:37:19] Voice 10: I think that's all I heard. Then all in favor of the amended motion and opposed.

[4:37:27] Voice 10: do you want your opposition notice please okay thank you and trustee packard uh further motion

[4:37:34] Trustee Patrick: um yeah i'm trying to wing this a little bit here but i wasn't

[4:37:38] Trustee Patrick: i'll move that the uh salt spring island local trust committee request staff to identify um

[4:37:49] Trustee Patrick: possible option options for further amendments to bylaw 530 um based on feedback received from the

[4:38:00] Trustee Patrick: open house what about based on

[4:38:05] Voice 11: what we've heard today we've had more come in today than we've had

[4:38:09] Voice 11: at the open house well and we've had local first nations in here we've had people like this is just

[4:38:14] Voice 11: preposterous i'm sorry i don't

[4:38:16] Voice 5: support this and okay

[4:38:17] Voice 5: i'm sorry thank you i apologize i'm trying

[4:38:21] Voice 5: to be nice and loose here but i won't trust thank you justin the chair and i apologize i just want

[4:38:25] Trustee Patrick: to make sure it's broad enough uh for more information because for example i was afraid

[4:38:29] Trustee Patrick: Fraser Valley Regional District is in the process of passing their accessory dwelling

[4:38:33] Trustee Patrick: unit bylaw. I think their public hearing was today.

[4:38:38] Trustee Patrick: And they have a maximum of 35 feet

[4:38:41] Trustee Patrick: is the distance the accessory dwelling unit can be from

[4:38:45] Trustee Patrick: primary residence. So I think there's other examples

[4:38:49] Trustee Patrick: of rule changes that are pertinent in

[4:38:53] Trustee Patrick: wording safety to look at. So I don't know

[4:38:57] Trustee Patrick: what wording would i don't want to restrict you to the what we heard at the um um

[4:39:06] Voice 12: it's

[4:39:08] Voice 12: any relevant information on

[4:39:09] Trustee Patrick: the latest information on accessory dwelling units and rural areas

[4:39:17] Voice 8: i don't know

[4:39:18] Voice 23: what how to word that

[4:39:19] Voice 8: um

[4:39:20] Voice 8: i

[4:39:21] Voice 12: don't

[4:39:29] Trustee Patrick: know i'm looking for rpm i don't

[4:39:31] Voice 8: i don't want to be i don't want to be

[4:39:33] Trustee Patrick: too restricting but

[4:39:34] Trustee Patrick: don't want to like open up the doors to can

[4:39:36] Voice 8: we you know what she's got so far and then sure

[4:39:40] Voice 8: that

[4:39:42] Voice 12: this article and local trust may request staff to identify options for further amendments

[4:39:47] Voice 12: to proposed bylaw 530 based on feedback received from the open houses and

[4:39:55] Trustee Patrick: i would just say other

[4:39:58] Voice 23: relevant information for accessory dwelling units in rural areas something like that

[4:40:12] Voice 23: Mayor Mrakas, Yes, please.

[4:40:13] Voice 23: City

[4:40:14] Voice 12: Council Chambers, That the southern island local trust me request to identify options for further amendments to propose bylaw and required theory, based on feedback received at the open houses

[4:40:25] Voice 12: and other relevant information regarding accessory dwelling units in.

[4:40:30] Voice 12: City

[4:40:32] Voice 10: Council Chambers, After that.

[4:40:33] Voice 10: City Council Chambers, So moved and do I have a second or second that.

[4:40:40] Voice 23: City Council Chambers, Any further discussion, I understand your intent well.

[4:40:47] Voice 10: uh i will go ahead and call the question those i suppose in favor any opposed

[4:40:55] Voice 10: you like your opposition notice please thank you and anything further on this before we i did have

[4:41:04] Trustee Patrick: one one more i i still think um you know i i i don't see exo i don't we don't need exhaustive

[4:41:13] Trustee Patrick: communication materials but i still think there needs to be clarity i think people need to

[4:41:18] Trustee Patrick: understand that the various steps that are necessary um to get approval for an accessory

[4:41:29] Trustee Patrick: drilling unit whether it's a secondary suite or i think it's i think it's well worth material

[4:41:34] Trustee Patrick: because that same material is applicable to all the illegal airbnbs that are out there today so

[4:41:40] Trustee Patrick: i think it would be material well worth creating of what's involved to get a how

[4:41:47] Voice 10: -to guide what

[4:41:48] Voice 10: would you

[4:41:48] Trustee Patrick: have i don't want exhausted but i think it just you know bringing you know you need this

[4:41:53] Trustee Patrick: kind of permit and that kind of permit and um you know what what's a lot of materials exist it was

[4:41:59] Trustee Patrick: in the in the um technical working groups minutes of you know just the various permits because i

[4:42:07] Trustee Patrick: think it's um it's it's surprising yeah the the burden that it is to get an approval of this

[4:42:17] Voice 23: nature and um you know so that it isn't easy you know

[4:42:26] Trustee Patrick: so i don't i don't i'm not saying a legal

[4:42:28] Trustee Patrick: guide do this and you get there but i think just more of a an accumulation of all the things that

[4:42:37] Trustee Patrick: are potentially necessary to get approval for an accessory dwelling unit whether it's a secondary

[4:42:45] Trustee Patrick: very sweet or detached it's pretty much the same hurdles

[4:42:49] Voice 23: you've got to jump through okay

[4:42:54] Voice 23: mr sermon i'm kind of nodded did you have something to say

[4:43:03] Voice 8: pertinent to what trustee patrick was just saying

[4:43:05] Voice 8: yeah i would like to note that trustee patrick is chair of the reading committee which is

[4:43:10] Voice 8: maybe i work with that i was just a little and they're developing a housing toolkit

[4:43:15] Voice 8: it and as you were saying that trustee i just pull you up tool 10 of yours which is just our

[4:43:22] Voice 8: role and responsibility it's not really a how-to guide but it's the beginning of that so i offer

[4:43:27] Voice 8: that to the staff if you could just start to say this is what you need to do in order to

[4:43:31] Voice 8: who will receive what in terms of the development process where this guide is towards the board

[4:43:39] Voice 8: so i would like to sort of recommend that you're working on that but what i'm hearing is you'd like

[4:43:48] Trustee Patrick: I mean, to me, whenever I make a suggestion to staff,

[4:43:53] Trustee Patrick: I would hope that the efficiencies within the organization would be sought

[4:43:56] Trustee Patrick: and it would be dealt with.

[4:43:58] Trustee Patrick: And I know what I'm asking for would be applicable on every island

[4:44:03] Trustee Patrick: in the island's trust, you know, for the exception of Demi.

[4:44:08] Trustee Patrick: It would have to be different.

[4:44:10] Trustee Patrick: um you know and i think i think it was very the the workshop last week on on it was about rain

[4:44:19] Trustee Patrick: water but they got into the steps of what was required whether it was rain water or a hookup

[4:44:24] Trustee Patrick: from a well the requirements were the same once you pass the threshold of your house and i can

[4:44:30] Trustee Patrick: tell you the audience was shocked um so i think that's we're only doing a benefit to islanders

[4:44:37] Trustee Patrick: um all islanders of that same rule would apply to them and more be of what's involved and so um

[4:44:44] Trustee Patrick: i think it would be well worth that material because when people are out there saying there's

[4:44:48] Trustee Patrick: going to be millions of these and everyone's doing it no you're not when it's going to be

[4:44:52] Trustee Patrick: 60 grand just to get this paper um it's um and it might lead us to other advocacy work of maybe

[4:45:02] Trustee Patrick: the rules have been you know need to be modified as

[4:45:05] Trustee Patrick: they also talked about last week um

[4:45:08] Trustee Patrick: because they are so onerous um and those don't belong to us so i'll i'm just

[4:45:15] Trustee Patrick: i'm going to move a motion that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff to

[4:45:20] Trustee Patrick: prepare further communication materials that illustrate uh the decisions slash approvals

[4:45:28] Trustee Patrick: or permit or permits slash approvals required before um uh for uh for an accessory dwelling

[4:45:38] Trustee Patrick: welling unit it's

[4:45:39] Voice 8: a move uh i'll second that um did you want to can we double check okay uh that

[4:45:48] Voice 12: the salton island local trust committee request staff to prepare further communication materials

[4:45:52] Voice 12: that illustrate decisions and approvals to proceed for an accessory demand no

[4:46:03] Voice 23: okay moved seconded

[4:46:06] Voice 8: uh sorry sorry are you going into discussion here what is the utility of this additional

[4:46:13] Voice 8: communication material at this stage um where on the regular bylaw we are pre-public hearing now

[4:46:19] Voice 8: um i'm not hearing any direction to go and do any additional public engagement

[4:46:24] Voice 8: um so what is the what is the function of the expectation of what this material what purpose

[4:46:29] Voice 8: this material would serve at this stage i

[4:46:32] Trustee Patrick: hope we're kind of building we're building

[4:46:34] Trustee Patrick: building materials for communications, I would hope as even, you know, we have not necessarily

[4:46:41] Trustee Patrick: said, I mean, while we pick the can to September, we could theoretically ask for another public

[4:46:49] Trustee Patrick: communication. I'm not, but I think building material on our website so that people are

[4:46:54] Trustee Patrick: getting access to good information. And, you know, people can spread that information in the

[4:47:03] Trustee Patrick: in the community people have a tendency to spread information in the community let's give them

[4:47:06] Trustee Patrick: information to spread that's useful and um um and like i said this this i'm hoping one of the next

[4:47:14] Trustee Patrick: conversations we're going to have is about short-term vacation rentals because that equally

[4:47:18] Trustee Patrick: or more you know is going to have to be uh regulated more strongly and they should know

[4:47:25] Trustee Patrick: they're illegal i mean they're going to need licenses and a whole bunch more so

[4:47:29] Trustee Patrick: So just this alone is useful information.

[4:47:35] Voice 8: So what I guess I'm taking away from this is that I just, Mr. Chair, if I may, I just want to make sure that, you know, we can take

[4:47:43] Voice 4: the work that, you know, that we've been doing with the RPG region planning team regarding the housing toolkit.

[4:47:50] Voice 8: We can share that information as we can know how to get housing built.

[4:47:55] Voice 8: Bill. And I think I've expressed this in the past to the committee members that I'm reluctant

[4:48:02] Voice 8: to say this, that you get an ADU bill. There's no special process for ADUs. These are, this

[4:48:07] Voice 8: bylaw passes as is. It is simply, you go through every other regulation that exists under the

[4:48:14] Voice 8: sun as it applies to this construction, right? So it's,

[4:48:18] Voice 6: that's,

[4:48:20] Voice 8: and communication material

[4:48:21] Voice 8: or certainly the file I want to be adopting something that we would do so

[4:48:24] Voice 8: um so

[4:48:26] Voice 4: I can I can

[4:48:27] Voice 4: we can take that direction and if you'd like to pass a resolution that's you're welcome to do so

[4:48:31] Voice 4: um to to simply provide an update on the on the project website um but so we're just kind of

[4:48:37] Voice 4: working outside of any type of engaging planner structure so

[4:48:40] Voice 8: I just want to get a really it would

[4:48:41] Voice 8: help to have some understanding of expectations around how and where and why this so I'm getting

[4:48:46] Voice 8: a clear picture of why but then how aware in terms of expectation could be helpful for well

[4:48:51] Trustee Patrick: i would

[4:48:52] Trustee Patrick: hope i would hope through either the regional planning committee or we are creating materials

[4:48:57] Trustee Patrick: that are useful throughout the islands trust which we should no no one should be creating

[4:49:00] Trustee Patrick: material that just sits in our file and rots it you know it should be material that we're using

[4:49:06] Trustee Patrick: throughout the islands trust we are not the only most other islands have suites and cottages legal

[4:49:11] Trustee Patrick: across the entire islands so maybe this material exists at those islands um so i i think it's just

[4:49:19] Trustee Patrick: the more we can help provide communication materials about um you know about what it

[4:49:26] Trustee Patrick: means to build on this island and build legally we're helping people understand um

[4:49:32] Trustee Patrick: what's involved and what that means so that they know that there's not going to be

[4:49:36] Trustee Patrick: is two million of these built on the island um we've already got to be quite wealthy to do it

[4:49:43] Trustee Patrick: or

[4:49:43] Voice 8: out of your mind

[4:49:44] Trustee Patrick: so

[4:49:45] Voice 8: mr chair if i'm in the part where i get into a challenge where i don't think

[4:49:48] Voice 8: that we can accurately measure and accurately message that um what's going to happen in the

[4:49:53] Voice 8: future in terms of we could we have a broke number that we can provide on the map um that is that is

[4:49:59] Voice 8: the data capability that we have at this point um and and given that the scale of this amendment i

[4:50:05] Voice 8: I just, I want to be really clear that we can't,

[4:50:08] Voice 8: we don't really have the ability to provide this.

[4:50:12] Voice 8: I

[4:50:12] Trustee Patrick: wasn't asking for,

[4:50:13] Trustee Patrick: I'm not asking you to narrow down to say there'll be six of these as a

[4:50:16] Trustee Patrick: result of that. I'm talking about what steps, what, what are,

[4:50:19] Trustee Patrick: what are the things that need to be done to do this legally?

[4:50:21] Trustee Patrick: I think a lot of people on this Island do not understand when you have two

[4:50:25] Trustee Patrick: connections to a water system on, in this province, under the,

[4:50:27] Trustee Patrick: under the water drinking water act that you just triggered a whole bunch of

[4:50:32] Trustee Patrick: liability on yourself i think people don't know that in fact i know they don't know that um they

[4:50:39] Voice 8: will know it when it comes time to actually go and do it correct so

[4:50:42] Voice 8: that's right right yeah well

[4:50:45] Trustee Patrick: that

[4:50:45] Voice 8: might explain

[4:50:46] Trustee Patrick: why we have so many illegal units on this island which

[4:50:49] Voice 8: we're trying to

[4:50:50] Voice 8: alleviate with this bylaw okay

[4:50:52] Voice 10: so if you have would you have a motion um uh mr hackness

[4:50:58] Voice 10: if you have sufficient understanding of the intent thank you

[4:51:02] Voice 10: okay man

[4:51:03] Voice 8: please comment uh yes

[4:51:05] Voice 8: please go ahead thank you chair peterson i do not support this in any way shape or form and i

[4:51:09] Voice 8: honestly i don't have any disrespect to trustee patrick again affinity for you and i don't think

[4:51:16] Voice 8: you are doing anything purposefully but i think what this is deciding to you know kicking some

[4:51:22] Voice 8: more flotsam into the giant heap of bureaucracy that's already in front of us and so um i don't

[4:51:29] Voice 8: see the purpose um so for that reason i don't support this okay thank you anything else on this

[4:51:37] Voice 10: nope okay so i'm going to go ahead and call the question all those in favor any opposed

[4:51:43] Voice 10: if you'd like your opposition notice please and was there anything further before we move on only

[4:51:49] Trustee Patrick: other question I had is in regards to planning government-to-government meetings and we're just

[4:51:55] Trustee Patrick: do we need a resolution to initiate any work on on that I mean or is that totally just thrown to

[4:52:05] Trustee Patrick: us to schedule like hey say you want to talk to this crazy lady over here well

[4:52:11] Voice 4: not too

[4:52:13] Voice 4: characterize self-characterization um the um

[4:52:18] Voice 8: because earlier i i sort of implicated that

[4:52:21] Voice 8: this would be um this would be not a separate meeting from the work that's always underway

[4:52:28] Voice 8: with regards to reaching out to a professional uh support dialogue building process so um

[4:52:36] Voice 8: that's that's the process that's within right now and so that is within um the the

[4:52:41] Voice 8: purview of you know of the uh regional planning team members on salt spring um

[4:52:47] Voice 4: to move that

[4:52:48] Voice 4: forward um so it's um with

[4:52:50] Voice 8: the priority here and to get these open house bylaws going but going

[4:52:55] Voice 8: forward that is sort of the the next priority to grab the backgrounder and work with the um

[4:53:01] Voice 4: identify a consultant lee we are close to identifying and um and

[4:53:06] Voice 4: get a strategy for

[4:53:07] Voice 4: you so

[4:53:08] Trustee Patrick: we can wait that was my question is did we need to give you any direction to move on that but

[4:53:13] Trustee Patrick: that it would if it was included in that then we don't need a motion split i

[4:53:18] Voice 8: i want to be completely

[4:53:19] Voice 8: up front here like this is it's not a a small undertaking it's uh it's something that we you

[4:53:25] Voice 8: know we're we're working at uh you know numerous channels to to move forward but um it is alongside

[4:53:31] Voice 8: side of uh you know going grant applications all of that so um it is something that i you know you

[4:53:37] Voice 8: set a date for the public hearing so i take that direction as you know our need to um to move

[4:53:43] Voice 8: quickly on this and all in line with the grant application dates but uh it

[4:53:47] Voice 23: does create a pressure

[4:53:48] Voice 23: point for us to move forward so we don't need motion all right uh

[4:53:55] Voice 10: in that case are we ready

[4:53:57] Voice 10: to move on okay let's move on section 16 reports we have on page 321 with policy and standing

[4:54:05] Voice 10: resolutions yes thank

[4:54:08] Voice 8: you very much sorry before we move on to 16. under new business we've got

[4:54:14] Voice 8: the clean and sink purpose added to the new business section and trustee patrick uh you

[4:54:25] Voice 8: us and that would be added so i'm going to turn it over to you

[4:54:28] Trustee Patrick: yes um in preparation for today's

[4:54:32] Trustee Patrick: meeting i know i went to hear from the initiative from the safe harbor folks i was curious again

[4:54:39] Trustee Patrick: and gone back to because i knew brentwood bay was the last to work for um a morage management

[4:54:48] Trustee Patrick: process and that they had just abruptly stopped so i was curious as to what had happened why it

[4:54:54] Trustee Patrick: happened and what they did next so very interesting there december 11 2017 the committee of the whole

[4:55:02] Trustee Patrick: agenda package lays out almost word for word the uh recommendations from uh the group this morning

[4:55:10] Trustee Patrick: on where they were going to implement a they called it an open water mortgage area application

[4:55:18] Trustee Patrick: application process and uh i said it looks very familiar to what we heard this morning

[4:55:23] Trustee Patrick: they didn't do this they ended up not doing it and insurance and liability was one of the main

[4:55:28] Trustee Patrick: reasons what they why they abandoned ship so to speak on that one um but they went in cooperate

[4:55:36] Trustee Patrick: the staff across the three municipalities in the sanich peninsula went to the crd and worked with

[4:55:41] Trustee Patrick: the CRD, and they created a new service. They have now the Saanich Peninsula Waterways Environmental

[4:55:50] Trustee Patrick: Action Service. I think they could have thrown in a few more words there to make it quite a horrible

[4:55:55] Trustee Patrick: acronym. But the purpose of it is to coordinate with First Nations and community groups and all

[4:56:02] Trustee Patrick: levels of governments on solutions and to coordinate roles and responsibilities for action

[4:56:09] Trustee Patrick: um on um the harbors and marine waters of the Saanich Peninsula funny thing our um jurisdiction

[4:56:19] Trustee Patrick: of this local trust area goes to the high water mark on the Saanich Peninsula so how how the CRD

[4:56:26] Trustee Patrick: created a brand new service on uh coordinating those with jurisdiction without talking to one

[4:56:32] Trustee Patrick: of the jurisdictions in their in their neighborhood this was 2021 or 2020 sorry 2020

[4:56:40] Trustee Patrick: 2020. I'm shocked. And I think, you know, I hear what we heard this morning, you know, the harbor is what the harbor is, we are not the only ones facing these problems every harbor in this area.

[4:56:53] Trustee Patrick: The Islands Trust itself brought a UBCM resolution back in 2019, asking for a regional approach for managing liveaboards.

[4:57:11] Trustee Patrick: And, of course, municipal fairs happily answered back going, you know, they're normal answers of we're not doing anything.

[4:57:19] Trustee Patrick: thing so i wanted to i'll bring a motion here that i think we should ask that this uh this

[4:57:26] Trustee Patrick: service be look into could it be expanded it would um i would tell staff that north north

[4:57:32] Trustee Patrick: pender is the other local trust committee that has the waters on the other side of sandage we're

[4:57:37] Trustee Patrick: on this side they're on that side um and it only makes sense that we at least look at

[4:57:43] Trustee Patrick: joining that club that's already been exist existing um and that we should all be working

[4:57:49] Trustee Patrick: together on on solving these issues um and i think that should be a first step if we get a abrupt no

[4:57:56] Trustee Patrick: or it's too complex or we can't do it then we'll have to look at how do we build from there so i'm

[4:58:02] Trustee Patrick: going to move that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff to work with the

[4:58:06] Trustee Patrick: crd staff to explore the potential to expand the sandwich peninsula waterways environmental action

[4:58:12] Trustee Patrick: action service to include the Salt Spring Island a local trust area and to report back to the LTC

[4:58:19] Voice 8: so move to have a seconder no I'll go ahead and check on that discussion any discussion so I

[4:58:28] Voice 8: thought I heard staff say in our last meetings that we actually have jurisdiction out in the

[4:58:33] Voice 8: harbor and we already have a bylaw that states we need to uh are the live awards need to meet

[4:58:42] Voice 8: certain regulations out there we have zoning powers over the over the upper yeah we have

[4:58:49] Voice 8: jurisdiction we have we do we have a bylaw in place that stipulates um there's regulations

[4:58:56] Voice 8: that um liveaboards need certain septic capabilities uh through the chair they're

[4:59:03] Voice 8: prohibited out where they are now in gandhi's harbor and the s8 is almost back pretty big

[4:59:09] Voice 8: are completely prohibited so i don't see how working with these other people at this point is

[4:59:15] Voice 8: are clearly already we need to do something

[4:59:17] Voice 11: about it the ball's in our court um i would entertain a

[4:59:21] Voice 11: motion about um sending this proposal um from um i forget the name of this group or they call

[4:59:28] Voice 11: themselves statue or something um to send this to the say out in the um couch and band stuff you

[4:59:36] Voice 11: get stopped to send this off to them and any any other uh first nations that this would affect and

[4:59:42] Voice 8: see what they and wait to hear back from them and they had a couple other motions to put in there

[4:59:49] Voice 8: get some support for that okay well we have we have a motion on the

[4:59:54] Voice 10: floor so we'll

[4:59:55] Voice 10: we'll deal with this motion and then i'm happy to entertain other motions

[5:00:00] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Well, my understanding is that's what the purpose of this service is, it is not a it is not a regulatory body it's about bringing all the players, including first nations together, because it

[5:00:08] Trustee Patrick: is a complex jurisdictional soup in our marine waters putting it politely.

[5:00:14] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Masyn Moyer- And, and I know like said Brentwood Bay tried to go down this road exactly just a you know, five years ago and had to stop.

[5:00:24] Trustee Patrick: It's

[5:00:25] Voice 8: my understanding other places have done it, like Falls Creek, Victoria,

[5:00:31] Voice 8: there's been some case law studies. Well, Ganges Harbor, we managed to, there was something going

[5:00:36] Voice 8: on with the marina there. There's clearly been some Supreme Court, British Columbia Supreme

[5:00:42] Voice 8: Court rulings in favor of Janus Trust already. So anyways, just thoughts.

[5:00:52] Trustee Patrick: I I just think this is a a a good first step. How like I said, how this got created when we've been we've been asked, you know, working in this same realm shocks me.

[5:01:05] Trustee Patrick: And I only see this as more powerful for us.

[5:01:08] Trustee Patrick: yeah i'm inclined to support

[5:01:11] Voice 8: that but i definitely just want to see some other emotions

[5:01:14] Voice 8: okay is there anything further on this on the motion right here

[5:01:19] Voice 8: okay i'm going to go ahead and call the question all in favor any opposed okay motion carries

[5:01:28] Voice 8: um so anything i would

[5:01:31] Voice 11: love to see um

[5:01:31] Voice 8: you know a you know a motion that um something along the

[5:01:35] Voice 8: lines of i hope that staff review this proposal and get a legal opinion on the particulars of

[5:01:45] Voice 8: this proposal that would be one promotion to and get back to us by september and

[5:01:54] Voice 8: do you want staff to have a look at the yes the proposed um yes okay what did you capture of what

[5:02:09] Voice 12: to review the clean and safe harbors initiative and report back

[5:02:16] Voice 8: we're back by september lcc

[5:02:19] Voice 10: okay just before we lock in the data i was mindful of staff capacity

[5:02:25] Voice 10: here um staff

[5:02:27] Voice 8: what do you want to tell us so um i would say that yeah we do have a very busy summer

[5:02:32] Voice 8: ahead of us in terms of staffing um work commitments in terms of continuing the process

[5:02:36] Voice 8: um okay i want to ask you about an application with respect to your your

[5:02:43] Voice 8: asap i mean this is all how about this report back are you okay with that and then report back

[5:02:49] Voice 8: the substance of this that can never review and to report back um with with any kind of

[5:03:00] Voice 8: direction on how to move forward like that's a that's not a small not how to move forward just

[5:03:05] Voice 8: can we move forward and my only legal opinion on the particulars of the of the market they're all

[5:03:11] Voice 8: stated in there quite clearly i mean we can we can estimate it um i may come back and say that

[5:03:17] Voice 8: this is going to be a you know that with a with an understanding that there is a budget associated

[5:03:21] Voice 8: about that cost you know um in terms of where that goes we have a work plan so um that's not

[5:03:28] Voice 8: a small document that would provide us this morning so this is where i want to make sure

[5:03:32] Voice 8: that we're not uh doing good money after that and you know affecting other areas of the work plan

[5:03:39] Voice 8: as much as everybody respects um you know that there's a desire to improve things in gandhi's

[5:03:43] Voice 8: harbor um it's um it's still something that we need to do we can't do everything all at once

[5:03:48] Voice 8: no

[5:03:49] Voice 11: it's clear there's a need

[5:03:50] Voice 11: so maybe this does end up writing on for a while but

[5:03:52] Voice 8: it needs to be

[5:03:53] Voice 8: done we can't just not do anything um so that would be a motion okay so so moved uh and no

[5:04:03] Voice 17: but i think we've asked staff to report back so if that requires a legal opinion i mean we'll

[5:04:09] Voice 10: we'll get some reporting back but that's sufficient as long as staff feels a sufficient

[5:04:15] Voice 10: of direction at this time because before we start spending a bunch of money let's let's get started

[5:04:23] Voice 10: yeah

[5:04:23] Voice 12: please okay uh the salt spring island local trust committee request act to review the clean

[5:04:29] Voice 12: and safe harbors initiative and report back to the ltc at a future excellent so moved

[5:04:37] Voice 20: and sorry it's getting

[5:04:38] Voice 17: to

[5:04:40] Voice 10: be late afternoon it's

[5:04:41] Trustee Patrick: getting warm over here

[5:04:42] Trustee Patrick: it

[5:04:42] Voice 17: is any

[5:04:43] Voice 11: further discussion um i it's important that we get a legal opinion of some sort somewhere

[5:04:48] Voice 11: down the line here so i don't know like clearly because staff

[5:04:52] Voice 8: is going to get back to us there's

[5:04:53] Voice 8: some like this is quite a chair that's already in process okay thank you very much

[5:04:58] Voice 8: yeah yeah because

[5:05:03] Voice 10: i know there's we're not

[5:05:04] Voice 10: we're not the only ltc uh discussing uh marine issues for chair yeah no

[5:05:10] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, Oh that's great so moved in second and anything further before I call the question i'll go ahead and call the question all those in

[5:05:16] Voice 8: favor and the motion carries, I would like to.

[5:05:21] Voice 8: Mayor Mrakas, entertain another motion of this proposal being sent to local First Nations, and you know say out couch and any other first nations that are out there to get some feedback from them.

[5:05:35] Voice 8: Mayor Mrakas, What a great way to engage with them and some of the things that are going on.

[5:05:42] Voice 6: Is

[5:05:42] Trustee Patrick: that premature? I mean, I think it's a bit premature.

[5:05:46] Trustee Patrick: I would

[5:05:46] Voice 6: just be careful.

[5:05:47] Trustee Patrick: I know, but it's but it's also are you, you know, are you endorsing this?

[5:05:51] Trustee Patrick: Are you and you

[5:05:52] Voice 11: know, so we can ask them, would you support something along these lines?

[5:05:55] Trustee Patrick: I think

[5:05:55] Voice 11: it's definitive and it isn't our bylaw.

[5:05:58] Trustee Patrick: We have we've

[5:05:58] Voice 11: had this report brought to us. But

[5:06:00] Trustee Patrick: what if we get joined into the service?

[5:06:02] Voice 11: Well, then all the more.

[5:06:03] Voice 17: That's great. It's going to happen.

[5:06:05] Voice 17: I would just caution that I also feel, especially since we haven't heard back from staff on any of the potential implications,

[5:06:13] Voice 17: I would feel it was a bit premature as well but go

[5:06:16] Voice 4: ahead as we go forward with First Nations over

[5:06:18] Voice 4: the summer that will become clear um that I would be

[5:06:21] Voice 8: surprised actually if we had a conversation

[5:06:23] Voice 8: um from our of the area First Nations uh who that weren't interested in talking about uh the water

[5:06:30] Voice 8: so I'm sure that's definitely um to some extent though that conversation needs to be the agenda

[5:06:36] Voice 8: need to be set both by um by islands trust as well as by um each station we need

[5:06:44] Voice 11: to specify and be

[5:06:45] Voice 11: clear we can't just say oh well we got a problem in the harbor what do you think we've got a

[5:06:48] Voice 11: proposal we're not going to say we're this isn't a bylaw of ours or a draft bylaw or anything along

[5:06:54] Voice 11: the signs we have that we can make it clear that we have received this from a concerned

[5:06:58] Voice 11: members of your community and could you please look over and give us some feedback like it's

[5:07:03] Voice 11: It's just going to be very simple and actually almost, you know, sort of informal, but what a great way to engage with what's happening in the area that affects these First Nations.

[5:07:17] Voice 11: I

[5:07:17] Voice 8: wouldn't recommend going to the point of referring, certainly make that information available, but again, the size of the document, we are seeing requests for fee of review, so I don't think there's any desire to engage in a formal referral.

[5:07:32] Voice 8: we have to you know invest in a review of of this document especially when it's you know not written

[5:07:38] um in

[5:07:39] Voice 8: a way that's entirely locked up with with the bylaw structure that we have so it's very

[5:07:43] Voice 8: subject to change at this point uh even if it isn't in the substance if that was the direction

[5:07:50] Voice 8: that lpc eventually chose to go well i find

[5:07:52] Voice 8: it interesting that um you know reluctance to engage

[5:07:56] Voice 8: for the First Nations. Interesting. Noted.

[5:08:01] Voice 8: That's more

[5:08:01] Trustee Patrick: reluctant.

[5:08:03] Trustee Patrick: Take

[5:08:03] Voice 8: a

[5:08:05] Trustee Patrick: look at the package for your Trust Council meeting next week.

[5:08:08] Trustee Patrick: There's a RFD on the whole referral program for

[5:08:12] Trustee Patrick: First Nations. The First Nations have made it clear they don't want

[5:08:16] Trustee Patrick: to be receiving things on the referral end. They want to be involved at the

[5:08:20] Trustee Patrick: beginning end. So while I'm still handing

[5:08:24] Trustee Patrick: them something that here here what do you think of this it's already it's a proposal of let's do

[5:08:28] Trustee Patrick: it this way they want to be involved one step earlier um well

[5:08:32] Voice 11: how early can you get this is

[5:08:34] Voice 11: this is early how much earlier do we have to go back we need to backtrack and and bring them

[5:08:39] Voice 11: something prior to this like

[5:08:41] Trustee Patrick: this this is early let's hope these are the same the sanis peninsula

[5:08:44] Trustee Patrick: will be the same first nation so they've already been hopefully engaged it's

[5:08:50] Voice 8: all noted that's great

[5:08:51] Voice 8: Okay. Sounds good.

[5:08:54] Voice 10: Anything further on this or shall we move along?

[5:08:59] Voice 10: Let's move along then. All right. So on page 321 with the policy and standing resolutions list,

[5:09:05] Voice 10: anything from anyone on that item? Not seeing anything. So we'll pick that for information.

[5:09:14] Voice 10: At 332, we've got the future projects report dated June 2023. Anything

[5:09:20] Voice 9: from anyone on this?

[5:09:21] Voice 9: not seeing

[5:09:25] Voice 8: anything but yeah it's too

[5:09:26] Voice 12: early at

[5:09:28] Voice 9: page 335 we've got the active projects

[5:09:30] Voice 9: list the report dated june 2023

[5:09:33] Voice 10: anything on that item no okay we've got applications with

[5:09:41] Voice 10: status report on page 38 trustee patrick

[5:09:45] Trustee Patrick: just more has there been um has there been an uptick in

[5:09:52] Trustee Patrick: applications at all or change or rate or so i don't have been trending down i'm just wondering

[5:09:59] Trustee Patrick: if the numbers are i

[5:10:01] Voice 8: think um i may um what i am hearing from our planners is that we were sitting

[5:10:06] Voice 8: on a large number of applications for a long time and now

[5:10:08] Voice 8: seem to be moving that may be reflected

[5:10:10] Voice 8: in recent agendas and we are seeming to see applicants responding to um

[5:10:14] Voice 8: some of the last

[5:10:15] Voice 8: details and like to advance these things um in addition i think we are sort of leveling off in

[5:10:21] Voice 8: the decline i think our request for assignment and our level of numbers seem to be coming in fairly

[5:10:26] Voice 8: steady at this point i don't have any specific numbers for you um i wouldn't say that the

[5:10:30] Voice 8: complete uh poll in our um in our development applications list sitting on i think we have

[5:10:36] Voice 8: something around 35 or 38 active applications right now working forward okay any further on that

[5:10:48] Voice 10: all right uh page 355 we've got the expense report and

[5:10:54] Voice 8: that we have no island's trust

[5:10:56] Voice 8: conservancy board report we have no salt spring out of watershed protection alliance coordinators

[5:11:03] Voice 8: report and in section 17 we have a motion to close the meeting uh so that motion

[5:11:19] Voice 8: I move that

[5:11:23] Trustee Patrick: the Sunspring Island Local Trust Committee close this meeting to the public, subject to Community Charter Section 90-F, Law Enforcement, if Council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of or enactment, and that staff be invited to remain.

[5:11:43] Trustee Patrick: So I did move and seconded, and

[5:11:47] Voice 17: we'll call the question.

[5:11:51] Voice 17: All

[5:11:51] Voice 10: those in favor, close the meeting period. We'll just give Rob a minute to.

[5:11:56] Voice 23: Oh, he wanted to stay

[5:11:58] Voice 23: to

[5:12:00] Voice 8: the public.

[5:12:03] Voice 8: Nothing to rise and report. So that brings us to upcoming meetings.

[5:12:08] Voice 8: The next regular meeting of the Salt Spring Island Local

[5:12:10] Voice 10: Trust Committee is scheduled

[5:12:11] Voice 17: for 930 a.m.

[5:12:13] Voice 17: july 13th right here at

[5:12:16] Voice 10: the learning hub on salt spring island and there's

[5:12:20] Voice 17: a special meeting of the

[5:12:21] Voice 17: salt spring island local trust committee pardon me scheduled for 5 p.m on july 12th at the royal

[5:12:28] Voice 17: canadian legion branch now in 92 meet and call 120 blaine road salt spring island this meeting

[5:12:35] Voice 17: is a town hall only to give the public an evening opportunity to raise issues and with that i'll

[5:12:43] Voice 8: call for your adjournment awesome thank you wonderful

[5:12:48] Voice 23: meeting adjourned thank you everyone