Islands Trust Council community information meeting, June 26, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 8: Hooray! Everybody, a round of applause for technology that

[0:00:03] Voice 3: has finally decided to work.

[0:00:05] Voice 3: So here we are. Apologies. Three laptops. I only have

[0:00:09] Voice 3: six devices here to make this meeting possible.

[0:00:14] Voice 3: Thank you and sorry to those online watching. We are 10 minutes late. Had a few technical difficulties. It's actually true.

[0:00:21] Voice 3: uh we

[0:00:23] Voice 8: just want to begin by acknowledging that we are um meeting on land which is in

[0:00:28] Voice 8: the traditional and current unseated territories of coast salish peoples and i'm delighted maybe

[0:00:35] Voice 8: one of you want to share about the welcome poll that was put up on friday yeah okay

[0:00:41] Trustee Maude: on friday we

[0:00:43] Trustee Maude: we were very honored to be invited to to the unveiling of the first component um of the

[0:00:51] Trustee Maude: entrance poles um that were carved led by chas elliott and then two other young carvers um

[0:00:59] Trustee Maude: just a beautiful beautiful carving um we had a wonderful ceremony here

[0:01:06] Trustee Maude: uh with traditional um singing and dancing um very well attended well over 100 people in attendance

[0:01:13] Trustee Maude: shut down the road nobody honked their horn it was great

[0:01:15] Voice 14: um

[0:01:16] Trustee Maude: and it's part one um and so we have part

[0:01:19] Trustee Maude: two i assume coming in a couple of months for that will complete the installation but it was just a

[0:01:25] Trustee Maude: wonderful and fine addition to the community and

[0:01:29] Voice 10: and who are the partners involved in putting them

[0:01:31] Voice 10: together well it's the agricultural society and the campbell bay music festival and it's grant

[0:01:38] Voice 10: money that they got to do the indigenous of the garden overnight the new thrift shop is all part

[0:01:43] Voice 10: of the parcel wonderful

[0:01:45] Voice 9: their

[0:01:46] Voice 10: program that they're doing that is so good it's very exciting so happy

[0:01:50] Voice 10: to celebrate that done um

[0:01:54] Voice 8: so uh we

[0:01:55] Voice 10: have an agenda before us uh is there any changes so i wanted to

[0:02:01] Voice 10: add under new business um wooddale issues wooddale drive okay

[0:02:05] Voice 9: and

[0:02:07] Voice 10: i also i guess under the land use

[0:02:10] Voice 10: bylaw i can just add yeah yeah yeah so that was it then that's all i needed and

[0:02:18] Voice 8: we have with us today

[0:02:21] Voice 3: his honorary i mean um director

[0:02:24] Voice 10: paul brent from the crd who might be giving us a report we could

[0:02:29] Voice 10: It's for just enough grades.

[0:02:32] Voice 10: It's

[0:02:33] Voice 14: on 13.8.

[0:02:34] Voice 10: Oh, we're going to make you stay

[0:02:35] Voice 14: out of there.

[0:02:37] Voice 14: If you wish

[0:02:38] Voice 10: to leave early, we can have

[0:02:39] Voice 14: you report earlier.

[0:02:41] Voice 14: Just move along quickly.

[0:02:44] Voice 14: So after we do.

[0:02:46] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:02:48] Voice 10: Great.

[0:02:49] Voice 10: So anything else for you, Jenna?

[0:02:51] Voice 10: And I forgot to introduce everybody.

[0:02:53] Voice 10: Of course, we know the usual characters.

[0:02:55] Voice 10: Your wonderful trustees, David Munn,

[0:02:57] Voice 8: Justine Dodds, and our recorder, Pat Todd.

[0:03:00] Voice 8: Janine, did I call you Justine?

[0:03:02] Voice 8: You're Justine.

[0:03:03] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:03:03] Voice 14: Well, we were signing Justine's phrases, so it's

[0:03:07] Voice 8: a, it's a, sorry,

[0:03:08] Voice 10: that's okay.

[0:03:11] Voice 8: It's Planner

[0:03:12] Voice 10: Nurse and Chavis.

[0:03:14] Voice 10: So we have a town hall and a question period.

[0:03:17] Voice 10: Is there anybody who wishes to speak?

[0:03:19] Voice 10: Yes, sir.

[0:03:22] Voice 12: My name's Rick and I just live down on Horton Bay.

[0:03:24] Voice 12: And I just have a question about, I'm the person who's brought up the issue of the buoys a fair few times, also the swim platforms and the sunken boat.

[0:03:38] Voice 12: Now, one boat seems to have been removed by a company from Nanaimo, but I was just curious as to where we stand on these issues.

[0:03:48] Voice 12: And the other question that I have is how you folks prefer the lines of communication.

[0:03:53] Voice 12: do you prefer that we do this at the meetings or is there an email chain that you like

[0:04:00] Voice 4: and do

[0:04:01] Voice 12: all three of you or all four of you like to be included in these emails or or is it

[0:04:07] Voice 10: if it's a query for information it might be best to contact

[0:04:11] Voice 8: staff like the office um but if you

[0:04:15] Voice 8: want to talk to the main out you can write

[0:04:18] Voice 3: main island local trust committee at islandstrust.pc.ca

[0:04:22] Voice 3: everybody gets it who's connected

[0:04:25] Voice 10: to main island does

[0:04:26] Voice 3: that make sense

[0:04:27] Voice 10: yeah you can find that email

[0:04:29] Voice 10: on your main island page it'll have that and so that that'll come to me it'll come to everyone

[0:04:36] Voice 10: okay yeah because

[0:04:38] Voice 12: what what tends to happen sometimes is that you do get a reply or but

[0:04:42] Voice 12: after one or two times going on the back and forth sometimes things

[0:04:47] Voice 12: shut down and so i don't know if it's better if you prefer these things at meetings or if you

[0:04:53] Voice 12: prefer an email communication i don't know well

[0:04:57] Trustee Maude: i think if it's back and forth probably a meeting

[0:04:59] Trustee Maude: is a more appropriate venue okay but if it's an inquiry we can answer dark yeah okay thank you

[0:05:06] Voice 10: yeah so it is easier in you know if you have specific questions the problem with email just

[0:05:12] Voice 10: goes on and on and on but we have put the murray boy issue on to our work program okay because we've

[0:05:18] Voice 10: asked to have a hold on any bylaw action because there's a whole lot of confusion about jurisdiction

[0:05:24] Voice 10: over morning boys what we for trust committee can do what transport canada can do so it's a big

[0:05:31] Voice 10: it's opened up a bigger issue um so i think bylaw at this point we certainly don't have any quick

[0:05:37] Voice 10: staff reports or any more information other than we as trust committee said something needs to be

[0:05:45] Voice 10: decided as to whether we have jurisdiction if we do then what should that look like

[0:05:49] Voice 12: so well what i didn't want to do is take up a lot of time in a council meeting on something

[0:05:54] Voice 12: that might be a personal more personal issue than a business issue i

[0:05:59] Voice 10: think that the maury boy issue

[0:06:01] Voice 10: i think affects every single island in the

[0:06:03] Voice 10: island's trust area and i think

[0:06:05] Voice 10: it's a really

[0:06:05] Voice 10: really important topic um i think right now it's premature early to have much conversation because

[0:06:11] Voice 10: there's a whole lot we need to find out but i think it was timely definitely timely um and

[0:06:16] Voice 10: sunken boats is another one i mean we have no jurisdiction on the sunken boats i mean dead

[0:06:21] Voice 10: boat society i think if you let them know i think that's who took that boat away but there's just

[0:06:26] Voice 10: really

[0:06:26] Voice 12: because i've been in communication with the transport canada folks and there's one fellow

[0:06:32] Voice 12: there that i've communicated quite a bit with back and forth and even your bylaws folks wrote

[0:06:37] Voice 12: on the water with the transport canada it

[0:06:40] Voice 3: would have been through the dead boat society because

[0:06:42] Voice 3: they're working with transport canada and our bylaws to identify derelict vessels or sunken

[0:06:49] Voice 3: vessels and it's i think it's dfo that's funded the program so that's

[0:06:54] Voice 10: i think if anybody has

[0:06:55] Voice 10: removed it it's how

[0:06:57] Voice 12: could we find but i mean you you folks should would would be in the know as to

[0:07:01] Voice 12: who actually removed that last vote not

[0:07:05] Voice 10: necessarily no unfortunately we're certain we work in

[0:07:10] Voice 10: conjunction with other agencies but we don't we don't need those agencies so what you have is

[0:07:15] Voice 10: you've got ministry of dfo not dfo but thinking of transport that owns the waterways the dead

[0:07:22] Voice 10: And Boat Society works from grant money given to it, I think, from the federal government.

[0:07:26] Voice 10: And if somebody notifies them that there's a derelict boat, then they come and get it, assuming they still have funding.

[0:07:33] Voice 10: But there's a big gap between our ability to impact whether that happens or doesn't happen.

[0:07:39] Voice 10: So there is a part of this whole Maury Boy, swim floats, derelict boats is a huge topic,

[0:07:46] Voice 10: which I suspect that Islands Trust is going to be having for some time.

[0:07:50] Voice 10: and it's not just going to be me not having this conversation so we need to do a lot more

[0:07:57] Voice 10: research as to where where our jurisdiction was did

[0:08:01] Voice 3: we not ask for or say we're going to get a

[0:08:03] Voice 3: legal opinion on mooring boys yeah so

[0:08:06] Voice 3: that's that is still to come it'll take some months

[0:08:08] Voice 12: are you including then mooring boys and swim platforms it's the same issue uh

[0:08:13] Voice 10: yeah anything

[0:08:14] Voice 10: in that water anything in the water because yeah ours the only the way we understand it right now

[0:08:19] Voice 10: sort of ends that you can have a dock and beyond that the water where we have all these mooring

[0:08:23] Voice 10: buoys and all these boats and lots of floats we may not have jurisdiction over or maybe we do

[0:08:29] Voice 10: so we we really don't know yeah

[0:08:32] Voice 12: see it seems a little strange though and this is the last

[0:08:35] Voice 12: i'll say because i don't want to take up too much time but but the uh the fellow in in bylaws he was

[0:08:40] Voice 12: quite uh quite adamant in that the jurisdiction did fall under you folks and it was something that uh

[0:08:47] Voice 12: that he could handle because it's something that he'd done on other islands and so

[0:08:53] Voice 12: that part I

[0:08:53] Voice 12: didn't quite understand he seemed to be quite familiar and

[0:08:57] Voice 10: we don't communicate you know bylaw

[0:08:59] Voice 10: operates as a hands-off we don't work directly with bylaw okay so now we have an issue look at

[0:09:06] Voice 10: the

[0:09:06] Voice 3: legal opinion and policy

[0:09:08] Voice 3: we have to have some separation that they're they're yeah

[0:09:11] Trustee Maude: but I think

[0:09:13] Trustee Maude: what is there there might have been some sort of misunderstanding because and that's why we've asked

[0:09:19] for negative opinions because there seems to be different opinions from

[0:09:23] Trustee Maude: different people who who

[0:09:24] Trustee Maude: does and who does not so we've just said to un-muddy the waters let's get some opinions

[0:09:29] Trustee Maude: and understand who is responsible for what and then as part of our land use file our review

[0:09:37] Trustee Maude: which is going to be full public hearings is that we'll discuss for the community where we want to

[0:09:42] Trustee Maude: to be so if we do have jurisdiction to say do we want more employees do we want flows do we want

[0:09:47] Trustee Maude: swim platform why do we want what we don't want as a community and that's what we'll decide as a

[0:09:51] Trustee Maude: local trust committee so it's it's it's opened up not a can of worms but a can of questions

[0:09:57] Trustee Maude: and and so once we have the answers then we're going to go to the community and and do what the

[0:10:03] Trustee Maude: community wants well

[0:10:05] Voice 12: it seems funny though because when i spoke to the transport canada fellow and

[0:10:09] Voice 12: And with your, well, I guess not your bylaws folks, but the bylaws folks, they identified over half of them that were illegal.

[0:10:16] Trustee Maude: Yeah, and that certainly would be a Transport Canada issue.

[0:10:18] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[0:10:19] Trustee Maude: Because they're responsible for the regulation of the morning.

[0:10:22] Voice 10: But we don't, we need to think, in that case, we need to be working with Transport Canada.

[0:10:27] Voice 10: But up until now, we have not had a relationship with Transport Canada.

[0:10:32] Voice 10: And the difficulty with enforcement, especially with liveaboards, is often they don't have a fixed address, so you can't actually serve them.

[0:10:39] Voice 10: Or if there's no

[0:10:40] Voice 10: information on the

[0:10:41] Voice 9: Maureen Boy, they can't physically find who's damaged it.

[0:10:45] Voice 12: The Liver Board took a while to deal with, but again, it was your bylaws folks that

[0:10:49] Voice 3: managed it.

[0:10:50] Voice 12: Yeah,

[0:10:51] Voice 3: we do have jurisdiction over the water zoning, but it depends on the type of structure.

[0:10:59] Voice 3: And we're trying to find out what is our responsibility, what is not, what's in the waterway.

[0:11:04] Voice 3: So we're trying to get clarity on that.

[0:11:06] Voice 3: if a

[0:11:07] Voice 10: vessel was removed it was almost certainly the Dead Boat Society because they sent out a

[0:11:10] Voice 10: call saying anybody's got identified please help us they've obviously gotten money from

[0:11:16] Voice 10: Transport Canada to remove more boats

[0:11:19] Voice 12: well that would have come okay so that's

[0:11:21] Voice 3: yeah you can contact

[0:11:23] Voice 3: them if you've definitely got a dead boat that could be

[0:11:26] Trustee Maude: but I believe that the living board

[0:11:28] Trustee Maude: probably was dealt with because we are our land use file specifically says no living boards

[0:11:33] Trustee Maude: so that probably enabled law enforcement to do something very very proactive because it is

[0:11:39] Trustee Maude: actually we do have in writing where versus more invoice we don't talk about

[0:11:45] Trustee Maude: so we will make it right yep

[0:11:47] Voice 10: and there's a whole lot that we certainly as trustees have no idea

[0:11:52] Voice 10: about so there's a lot of he said she said they said but until i see a staff report says this is

[0:11:58] Voice 10: what but that's what we're looking forward to plus then some community meetings to talk about

[0:12:04] Voice 10: what do we want to do with the information we have so

[0:12:07] Voice 12: should i just sort of drop the

[0:12:08] Voice 12: issue then for a while until this uh until the meeting takes place you

[0:12:12] Voice 10: know if you're

[0:12:14] Voice 10: content to do that because it could take some time before we actually get all our

[0:12:17] Voice 10: information together but if you watch for our agendas and we usually we'll highlight

[0:12:23] Voice 10: you know now is the time we finally have a staff report and we'll request

[0:12:28] Voice 10: do you have the contact info for the dead boats disposal society or that doesn't well i think

[0:12:33] Voice 10: they're not pertinent i think they would be aware of that focus because transport canada came from

[0:12:38] Voice 10: booms up so i think there would be a postcard

[0:12:41] Voice 12: that put the boom

[0:12:42] Voice 10: it

[0:12:43] Voice 12: happens to be right in my front yard and

[0:12:46] Voice 5: so

[0:12:47] Voice 12: it's it's pretty easy to do but we we've

[0:12:49] Voice 12: contacted environment everybody but i was fairly certain that the fellow that i spoke to from

[0:12:54] Voice 12: Transport Canada was the fellow who dealt with the uh he I mean he put a price tag on what it would

[0:13:01] Voice 12: cost to get that steamer out of there and he was the fellow who talked even when I told him that

[0:13:06] Voice 12: the boat was removed he knew so I'm fairly sure that the Transport Canada was the fellow was the

[0:13:11] Voice 12: fellow that had something to do you organized it yeah there's

[0:13:14] Voice 10: been 250 vessels removed that

[0:13:17] Voice 10: Dead Boat Society works in Kentucky Transport Canada so this is an active program and they

[0:13:22] Voice 10: all right

[0:13:22] Voice 10: here we've got

[0:13:23] Voice 13: you yeah it's not a

[0:13:24] Voice 13: small thing no

[0:13:25] Voice 10: no no yeah no huge issue in all of this

[0:13:28] Voice 10: yeah yeah okay stay

[0:13:31] Voice 11: in contact with us stay tuned to that i think the bottom line here is we've got

[0:13:37] Voice 11: it's being identified as something that will be part of this upcoming project so okay no i just

[0:13:50] Voice 10: Okay,

[0:13:51] Voice 8: anybody else wish to address the TTC?

[0:13:58] Voice 3: Yes, you can wait. All right, so

[0:14:01] Voice 8: we've got a large set of minutes. I did see a few

[0:14:10] Voice 8: corrections uh i don't know

[0:14:13] Voice 10: if there's

[0:14:13] Voice 14: right so i'm

[0:14:16] Voice 14: not gonna get my promotion

[0:14:17] Voice 8: you are not a chair at that last meeting so

[0:14:22] Voice 10: page three uh it would be chair elliott

[0:14:26] Voice 10: help me to order

[0:14:27] Voice 3: oh i think unless you did share that one i don't know yeah my

[0:14:32] Voice 3: name is with two

[0:14:33] Voice 3: t's which isn't important unless you're trying to email me and then you know what i think i get one

[0:14:37] Voice 3: one-third the number of emails

[0:14:38] Voice 10: that Susan Gates does probably because people don't spell all the

[0:14:42] Voice 10: T's. So win-win. Oh,

[0:14:48] Voice 4: and I just, correct

[0:14:58] Voice 10: me on page seven, it's everywhere it's referenced

[0:15:01] Voice 10: it's Rural Economic Forum, it's Rural Islands Economic Partnership Forum.

[0:15:07] Voice 10: On May

[0:15:09] Voice 10: 29th. That's the first set of minutes.

[0:15:12] Voice 14: So, page seven of the agenda.

[0:15:13] Voice 10: April 19th,

[0:15:14] Voice 10: page seven of the agenda. Oh, Rural Islands.

[0:15:19] Voice 10: Rural Island Economic Partnership. Partnership,

[0:15:22] Voice 14: yeah.

[0:15:23] Voice 4: Just to be heard. It's super important, but not some of the minutes of May 29th, but

[0:15:31] Voice 4: right

[0:15:31] Voice 10: you know around the minutes of april 19th and also

[0:15:35] Voice 4: may 29th

[0:15:37] Voice 4: page 13 may 20th yes

[0:15:39] Voice 4: uh rural

[0:15:49] Voice 10: island economic

[0:15:51] Voice 4: partnership

[0:15:53] Voice 10: also amen um

[0:15:58] Voice 4: i'm

[0:15:59] Voice 10: sorry that was on page uh as well uh yeah of the may 29th

[0:16:06] Voice 10: did you give me an idea just down on my chair report

[0:16:14] Voice 10: um so yeah if you like follow the minutes that's bullet point to the discussion on the

[0:16:22] Voice 10: foreign voice just okay we do track these things but they're buried in agendas are you finished

[0:16:28] Voice 10: i am finished okay i just i'm on page seven of the agenda package david rose

[0:16:44] Voice 10: I think it's OW,

[0:16:50] Voice 10: I don't think it's AW, it's Burroughs with an S.

[0:16:55] Voice 10: I was

[0:16:57] Voice 14: just going to quickly

[0:16:58] Voice 14: say that the minutes

[0:16:59] Voice 12: in November, December and

[0:17:02] Voice 12: January, they ended

[0:17:04] Voice 12: that in the postings way way down past to 2012. yeah

[0:17:10] Voice 12: we weren't in the 2023 section

[0:17:16] Voice 10: that's weird yeah uh the document retrieval system on the website is

[0:17:21] Voice 10: very odd so sometimes the documents from 2023 and then goes back to 2017.

[0:17:29] Voice 10: it's not indexing everything so if you search if

[0:17:33] Voice 12: there's it seemed to get me where i wanted to go

[0:17:36] Voice 12: okay i

[0:17:37] Voice 12: just haven't seen the last couple of months because i don't think

[0:17:41] Voice 10: no they're

[0:17:42] Voice 12: not posted until they're not for you

[0:17:44] Voice 12: so that's why i haven't seen it yeah

[0:17:49] Voice 10: but it would have been the agenda

[0:17:52] Voice 10: up to his package so you get a five day heads up um is there anything else okay so can i have a

[0:18:02] Voice 10: motion to or

[0:18:03] Voice 3: should we just adopt these one two three sets of minutes

[0:18:16] Voice 10: so we're adopting the minutes of april 19th may 29th and may 29th as amended

[0:18:33] Voice 4: I did have

[0:18:43] Voice 3: a question about the number

[0:18:45] Voice 10: 16.3, the writing

[0:18:48] Voice 3: to the head of the

[0:18:48] Voice 10: RCMP to express

[0:18:50] Voice 10: dismay regarding unauthorized use of words and interpreters.

[0:18:54] Voice 10: I remember the discussion, but I, yeah, we haven't, we haven't moved forward on that.

[0:19:02] Voice 10: is it maybe better just a phone call

[0:19:06] Trustee Maude: right that's probably you

[0:19:08] Voice 10: want to write it you want a written letter

[0:19:11] Trustee Maude: they're not pretty you know

[0:19:13] Voice 10: how long it took me to get the last letter

[0:19:19] Voice 10: the last one is my fault there's something it's not a brush but it's a print and you need to

[0:19:24] Voice 10: write yes and it's the principle behind it and i understand

[0:19:28] Voice 10: that there's a new person in charge

[0:19:31] Voice 10: of the detachment on tinder i've heard that i don't know if that's true or not great

[0:19:42] Voice 10: great i hope so so and i'm

[0:19:45] Voice 10: trying to use letter

[0:19:46] Trustee Maude: to mr brad yeah

[0:19:48] Voice 10: um

[0:19:50] Voice 14: is that yeah

[0:19:53] Voice 10: i mean my thought is

[0:19:57] Voice 11: it's David's name by that one oh

[0:19:59] Voice 9: is this your job no

[0:20:01] Trustee Maude: what what I thought it was there but now you

[0:20:03] Trustee Maude: were just going to run it by me for uh

[0:20:05] Voice 10: oh so my assumption was you were going to write it and then

[0:20:08] Voice 10: I was going to look at it

[0:20:09] Trustee Maude: okay so we're assuming so you would like me to write a letter I will

[0:20:14] Trustee Maude: it does

[0:20:15] Voice 10: say from LTC chairs

[0:20:21] Voice 14: I

[0:20:22] Voice 10: can review, and then

[0:20:23] Voice 14: I'm

[0:20:26] Voice 10: all I'm good for us.

[0:20:28] Trustee Maude: So director friends, you will have correspondence coming your way, or correspondence, it's only

[0:20:33] Trustee Maude: about sending us which

[0:20:34] Voice 14: is close to your heart, just so you guys learn how to pick up on letters

[0:20:42] Voice 14: spots well if we can give you an oral report requesting that you implement but then when

[0:20:50] Voice 4: we use the

[0:20:51] Voice 8: staff we don't know if that message is going to get passed on accurately to your staff

[0:21:05] Trustee Maude: all

[0:21:06] Voice 3: right we have no delegations you have uh no

[0:21:10] Voice 10: correspondence coming out

[0:21:14] Voice 10: off the pieces no no bylaw bylaw enough to be people please still

[0:21:22] Voice 3: learning to read the agenda

[0:21:24] Voice 3: folks please

[0:21:25] Voice 10: bear with me this is an exciting day though page 21 so page 21 the main island

[0:21:31] Voice 10: housing society we thought this is the end of quite a long road and the beginning of a new

[0:21:41] Voice 10: stage perhaps there is a long time um well before i go into it um applicants are here yes

[0:21:53] Voice 10: sure

[0:21:54] Voice 4: okay which hello hello

[0:22:01] Voice 10: good to see you here would you like to

[0:22:05] Voice 10: speak to the project yes i would actually thank you

[0:22:08] Voice 10: very much it's been a long go it's been three years yeah and it's been a an interesting

[0:22:17] Voice 10: interesting to say it very diplomatically there's been lots of learning i think for everybody on

[0:22:23] Voice 10: this and we've had many discussions and many meetings and presentations and reports and

[0:22:30] Voice 10: people from the community being involved uh in support and people from the community being

[0:22:37] Voice 10: involved expressing their opinions uh whatever they were and also giving us some information

[0:22:45] Voice 10: about housing and what they'd like to see on housing on this island in other places as well

[0:22:51] Voice 10: and i think that that has really stimulated where we're at right now with housing initiatives on

[0:22:56] Voice 10: main island and i would like to take the time now to uh thank the family for the generous donation

[0:23:04] Voice 10: and their involvement in this project and we have Emma here with us and I'd also like to thank my

[0:23:11] Voice 10: my board for all of the work that they've done over the three years and and the initiatives

[0:23:18] Voice 10: that they've taken and the hard work to bring this forward look and

[0:23:22] Voice 7: I would like to thank Deb

[0:23:25] Voice 7: for her initiative and drive because without Deb

[0:23:28] Voice 7: she really she really kept us all on board for a

[0:23:32] Voice 7: a long time yeah she doesn't go outside so

[0:23:39] Voice 10: i and and also narissa yeah

[0:23:42] Voice 8: you were very very uh always

[0:23:44] Voice 8: there always there helping us through or

[0:23:47] Voice 10: listening to the conflict or the the discussions and being

[0:23:50] Voice 10: there and i think that it was a lot easier when we started getting our housing consultants more

[0:23:56] Voice 10: involved when we had some funding so we could get the housing consultant more involved i think i

[0:24:00] Voice 10: was during the day in the country we had about 30 people involved with this project to get to this

[0:24:05] Voice 10: point consultants and board members and the and the trustees so thank you to the trustees too

[0:24:13] Voice 10: so you

[0:24:15] Voice 8: know we're at a different

[0:24:16] Voice 10: place it's a major milestone for us we've already started

[0:24:19] Voice 10: with the subdivision application with motif and we've successfully worked with we have with uh

[0:24:26] Voice 10: Ion's help and the referrals are back in the comments

[0:24:32] Voice 10: are back into Moody.

[0:24:33] Voice 10: So we're just waiting to hear from Moody

[0:24:35] Voice 10: around the subdivision.

[0:24:37] Voice 10: And we couldn't have done that without the approvals

[0:24:41] Voice 10: that came through and the trustees met special meetings

[0:24:47] Voice 10: so that we could have for the end of the journey.

[0:24:50] Voice 10: So that was really very much.

[0:24:52] Voice 10: So thank you.

[0:24:53] Voice 10: It's a huge milestone for all of us, I think,

[0:24:55] Voice 10: and especially for the project of the main office not everyone you know

[0:25:02] Voice 10: well i just want to say you know thank you in terms of what we were able to get in terms of

[0:25:11] Voice 10: the wetland and the forest protection areas um reduction in uh in the amount of development

[0:25:18] Voice 10: all sorts of compromises in terms of how the package would look ultimately but as i've said

[0:25:27] Voice 10: in the past through the rezoning so this this project gains a lot for the community as a whole

[0:25:33] Voice 10: if it protects a huge chunk of property that would have no protection if it had not gone through this

[0:25:39] Voice 10: rezoning process and i think that's part of what gets missed so much is that while yes you're

[0:25:45] Voice 10: giving up or giving out a huge amount of density in exchange you're also creating what would be a

[0:25:50] Voice 10: a unique special area so thank you to the McHugh family and to the housing society for working

[0:25:57] Voice 10: through all of the concerns certainly that the trust committee

[0:26:01] Voice 4: that's good to hear that thanks

[0:26:09] Voice 4: okay all right

[0:26:13] Voice 10: then uh there's nothing else

[0:26:15] Voice 10: i'll go back to where the motions

[0:26:20] Voice 10: i move that the main island local trust committee bylaw number 181 cited as main island official

[0:26:26] Voice 10: community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number 1 2021 be adopted

[0:26:34] Voice 8: seconder david mons any discussion all

[0:26:39] Voice 10: is in favor that is carried i move that the main

[0:26:43] Voice 10: a local trust committee bylaw number 183 cited as main island news bylaw number 146 2008 amendment

[0:26:51] Voice 8: number

[0:26:51] Voice 10: one 2021 be adopted second

[0:26:54] Voice 8: if the trustee wants any further discussion all

[0:26:57] Voice 10: those in favor

[0:26:58] Voice 10: that is carried well done

[0:27:04] Voice 10: congratulations on your

[0:27:05] Voice 10: success and thank you so much for your persistence that's what it takes in

[0:27:09] Voice 10: this day and age i believe thank you well you know

[0:27:12] Voice 10: what it takes the village to do many things yeah

[0:27:15] Voice 10: right so that is this project that's great thank you and deborah well done okay so jumping ahead

[0:27:26] Voice 14: 60.

[0:27:27] Voice 14: It's 60.

[0:27:28] Voice 10: You're better at this than me.

[0:27:30] Voice 10: It's 60.

[0:27:31] Voice 14: I love jumping ahead.

[0:27:32] Voice 4: Following along.

[0:28:14] Voice 4: Charlie, Platter Charlie Kessroff

[0:28:16] Voice 1: has joined us.

[0:28:21] Voice 1: Sorry, your audio is a little muted, but if you're ready for me to speak, I'm happy to.

[0:28:26] Voice 3: Yes.

[0:28:26] Voice 3: Charlie, go right ahead.

[0:28:28] Voice 3: DVP 2023.4.

[0:28:30] Voice 1: Okay, perfect.

[0:28:31] Voice 1: Perfect. So this application located at 555 Glen Echo Road seeks to vary the maximum accessory building or structure height of five meters to allow for construction of an 8.59 meter high accessory building.

[0:28:44] Voice 1: So the rationale for the increased height is that prior to the construction of the principal dwelling, the accessory building is going to be used for secure lock up and storage and materials.

[0:28:54] Voice 1: And as a workspace as the applicant's owners progress towards submitting their building plans to Islands Trust in fall 2024.

[0:29:02] Voice 1: They want to keep the building footprint as small as possible, which is why the additional height is requested for functional working and storage space.

[0:29:10] Voice 1: So on the site plans that were submitted, you can see that there's an existing 10 by 10 where the proposed accessory building will be cited.

[0:29:19] Voice 1: Attachment 2, which the owner is in the process of dismantling.

[0:29:24] Voice 1: And just as a note, as per subsection 3.52 of the Maine Island Land Use Bylaw,

[0:29:29] Voice 1: accessory building is permitted to be constructed or placed on a lot prior to construction of a principal dwelling

[0:29:35] Voice 1: or commencement of principal dwelling principal residential use on the same lot if the building

[0:29:41] Voice 1: is to be used for the purposes of storage of building material for the use on the lot

[0:29:45] Voice 1: and storage of personal effects as stated in the applicant's rationale letter the accessory

[0:29:49] Voice 1: building will be will provide secure lock up with storage and a working space

[0:29:54] Voice 1: as they progress with the next phases of principal dwelling design and construction so there is one

[0:30:00] Voice 1: submission received from CRD during the notice period which was circulated comments from the

[0:30:05] Voice 1: regional parks include that there should be no encroachment on the park during construction

[0:30:10] Voice 1: without prior written consent from CRD and a park use permit is required for any work undertaken

[0:30:17] Voice 1: from or within the park no comments were received from other departments and the property if you

[0:30:23] Voice 1: look at the zoning it isn't adjacent but it's in proximity to a park zone so the recommendation

[0:30:29] Voice 1: The recommendation on page one is supported as the variance is considered to be minor there's no impact, the impacts are minimal because although the accessory building would be visible from Glen Echo Road doesn't impede the adjacent neighbors views it has

[0:30:40] Voice 1: and as relative to the lot size a small footprint.

[0:30:43] Voice 1: And there haven't been any concerns received from the adjacent residential neighbors, and the applicant is online if you have any questions.

[0:30:52] Voice 1: questions

[0:30:55] Voice 4: thank you um did

[0:30:59] Voice 10: the applicant wish to address the um ltc your local trust committee

[0:31:04] Voice 10: dianne see you online we can vote you if you wish hi hi

[0:31:10] Voice 2: can you hear me yeah you

[0:31:13] Voice 2: can hear me

[0:31:13] Voice 2: yeah

[0:31:14] Voice 8: we can well

[0:31:15] Voice 2: hello everybody i'm sorry i can't get my camera to do that thing but anyways um i

[0:31:20] Voice 2: don't have any questions if you have questions for me go for it i

[0:31:24] Voice 10: don't see anything let's see

[0:31:27] Voice 10: no question oh

[0:31:29] Trustee Maude: it's it's common sense uh oh

[0:31:31] Voice 2: here there we go that one there i am

[0:31:39] Trustee Maude: certainly i've identified with the 90s by law review that 16 and a half feet is a very low

[0:31:44] Trustee Maude: building in the scheme of of accessory buildings this is a large lot it makes total sense to me

[0:31:51] Trustee Maude: Um, I usually don't what doesn't make sense to me. It's how you'd ever have any access to the partners to to to have anything to do with the construction of this group.

[0:31:59] Voice 14: Yeah,

[0:32:00] Voice 10: exactly. It's a bit steep.

[0:32:02] Trustee Maude: I think that CRD was thinking a little bit conservative with their concerns. But anyhow, I've had to move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee approved issues of MADVP 2023.4.

[0:32:15] Trustee Maude: And

[0:32:15] Voice 10: I'll second that motion.

[0:32:16] Voice 10: Seconded by Mr. Dodds.

[0:32:18] Voice 10: Any further discussion?

[0:32:20] Voice 10: All those in favor?

[0:32:21] Voice 10: That is carried.

[0:32:23] Voice 10: Congratulations,

[0:32:24] Voice 3: Mr. Lodebrox.

[0:32:26] Voice 3: Thank

[0:32:26] Trustee Maude: you very much.

[0:32:27] Voice 10: Thanks, folks.

[0:32:27] Voice 10: I'll just sign off here.

[0:32:29] Voice 3: Thank you, Charlie.

[0:32:30] Voice 4: Bye.

[0:32:31] Voice 10: Take care.

[0:32:32] Voice 10: Thanks, Charlie.

[0:32:32] Voice 10: Bye.

[0:32:34] Voice 14: Bye.

[0:32:37] Voice 10: Oh, is it?

[0:32:39] Trustee Maude: It had the helicopter and the pellet down.

[0:32:44] Voice 8: well i think we should write a letter

[0:32:46] Voice 10: scared

[0:32:47] Voice 8: me complaining

[0:32:50] Voice 8: talk

[0:32:50] Voice 10: about extra letters i

[0:32:53] Voice 3: got caffeine in me now i could drink out like four letters before four

[0:32:56] Voice 3: let's

[0:32:57] Trustee Maude: get some water let's go okay okay page 87 thank

[0:33:01] Voice 3: you sir always a teacher's hand

[0:33:08] Voice 3: all right so now we talk this is your favorite project perhaps we should take over introducing

[0:33:13] Voice 3: this one and i was

[0:33:15] Voice 10: told i wasn't allowed to be chair oh no i think you're you chair this one

[0:33:23] Voice 10: seriously i've never been through an lub minor event project

[0:33:32] Voice 11: I

[0:33:32] Trustee Maude: would like to speak to the staff before please plan a church but

[0:33:35] Voice 11: I I also will just mention that

[0:33:40] Voice 11: that's for the housing project yes um the business case for next year will come um to the July meeting

[0:33:47] Voice 11: okay um and that's uh that's good timing to get through all of the channels so just so you know

[0:33:54] Voice 11: and i'll also

[0:33:55] Voice 11: um include a project charter so my my intention is to these two products are

[0:34:01] Voice 11: going to back back onto each other we're going to get we'll get this one out of the way i'll get

[0:34:04] Voice 11: that one back um yeah

[0:34:10] Voice 10: so essentially the recommendations are to request staff to

[0:34:13] Voice 10: develop a

[0:34:14] Voice 11: project charter and um to include the topics and to um request that to improve

[0:34:21] Voice 11: been identified by the LTC at this meeting. So I have as you see provided a list of things

[0:34:31] Voice 11: and I mean you could simply go through the list and you can say yes, no, and then you

[0:34:37] Voice 11: can add to the list. So I think what would be ideal is we can, you know, I'll come back to

[0:34:43] Voice 11: you with some analysis and I can, you know, if any of them in my review look as if they might

[0:34:49] Voice 11: be more than um minor um you know i'll let you know or what they what it looks like some timing

[0:34:55] Voice 11: on them but most of them seem like it's fairly there's some that maybe may require a little

[0:35:00] Voice 11: bit more and i'll just sort of tip you off a little bit now and we can knock them back

[0:35:04] Voice 11: so should we just go through the list and then i know did you say you have a few others to add um

[0:35:11] Voice 11: okay so it sounds like there's a bit of just a technical um amendment needed related to the

[0:35:16] Voice 11: Bennett Bennett estate nailer drive and I will um trust you give me the exact address of that one

[0:35:27] Trustee Maude: the reason I brought that one

[0:35:29] Trustee Maude: then I brought that one up as you recall kind of chat we were discussing the property

[0:35:35] Voice 14: and

[0:35:35] Trustee Maude: you couldn't find the mapping within the land used by a lot yeah and then

[0:35:38] Trustee Maude: we did find it

[0:35:39] Trustee Maude: it really wasn't clear yeah as

[0:35:41] Trustee Maude: to where it applies it just seemed to like we just needed to sort of

[0:35:44] Trustee Maude: make

[0:35:45] Voice 11: it easier. It looks like it could be fairly

[0:35:46] Voice 11: straightforward, so yeah.

[0:35:48] Voice 11: The kind of different missions of

[0:35:50] Voice 11: patio is coming back,

[0:35:52] Voice 11: and that's just building on the

[0:35:54] Voice 11: previous minor movements.

[0:35:56] Voice 11: It may be

[0:35:58] Voice 11: as complicated as it was

[0:36:00] Voice 11: before.

[0:36:06] Voice 10: B-walls,

[0:36:07] Voice 10: I'm not quite

[0:36:09] Voice 10: exactly sure what's intended with that one.

[0:36:11] Trustee Maude: I think that that one

[0:36:13] Trustee Maude: was brought up because in the

[0:36:15] Trustee Maude: the draft new trust policy statement it asks that all ltcs like identify and regulate sea laws so

[0:36:25] Trustee Maude: it's basically we're getting two steps ahead of what's coming because we don't because i don't

[0:36:30] Trustee Maude: think you want to do these every year

[0:36:32] Voice 10: right yeah yeah

[0:36:33] Voice 10: okay so i'll look and see what the wording

[0:36:35] Voice 10: there is and how that to me part of there's a difference between a hard cement seawall versus

[0:36:42] Voice 10: is what I have on my beach, which is rocks and bogs and which some people already have,

[0:36:47] Voice 5: some which

[0:36:48] Voice 10: have permits, but it's quite onerous if you have to, like mine's existed since

[0:36:53] Voice 10: the 60s, but it's quite onerous for people that have these older structures and they

[0:37:01] Voice 10: have to, they have to permit to rebuild them because there are some of these rocks.

[0:37:06] Voice 10: So more clarification on what we think of as a good seawall versus a not so good.

[0:37:12] Voice 10: something

[0:37:13] Voice 9: to add to this i've actually um on behalf of the gabriella lgc asked for uh warren

[0:37:19] Voice 9: to get back to us on shoreline structures and

[0:37:25] Voice 10: sort of the again the jurisdiction

[0:37:29] Voice 10: because rock well like rocks being

[0:37:32] Voice 9: placed can still create a wall that impacts the ecological

[0:37:36] Voice 9: logical integrity of the beach down and changes the circulation of the flow so

[0:37:40] Voice 10: i'm going to come

[0:37:42] Voice 10: back in august perhaps and with all the legal decisions that have been made about the jurisdiction

[0:37:48] Voice 10: because shoreline protection is going to be a big thing for all the islands but yeah interesting

[0:37:54] Voice 10: that the beach ltc is we've got

[0:37:57] Voice 10: some discretion in deciding what yeah what is the structure and

[0:38:02] Voice 10: what is it

[0:38:03] Voice 10: so i'm going to look into seeing where things are at with this one it may be

[0:38:09] Voice 10: something that we may want to do if there's already work that's being done i know there's

[0:38:13] Voice 10: some other ltc's that are looking at shorelines so i'll do a little yeah

[0:38:19] Voice 11: scan of that

[0:38:19] Voice 10: i'm just

[0:38:21] Voice 10: going to put a little question mark about that all right

[0:38:23] Voice 10: um to find accessory buildings to improve

[0:38:25] Voice 10: or exclude i think that's really straightforward discussion about that i think i think i understand

[0:38:32] Voice 10: where you're going with that um um defining those two are related to defining shipping computers

[0:38:39] Voice 10: um the mooring board

[0:38:41] Voice 11: review yeah so that one we've talked a lot about so i

[0:38:43] Voice 10: have a good

[0:38:43] Voice 11: sense of that

[0:38:44] Voice 11: i think it would be useful to pass a resolution actually um to request the the legal approach

[0:38:49] Voice 11: we've only talked about it at this point it's

[0:38:51] Voice 11: not on our follow-up action list it's coming from

[0:38:54] Trustee Maude: the executive or something which is it coming

[0:38:56] Voice 10: somewhere

[0:38:57] Trustee Maude: i heard that

[0:38:58] Trustee Maude: we're getting a legal

[0:38:59] Trustee Maude: opinion uh

[0:38:59] Voice 3: but no the legal opinion was from my notes from last and i don't i don't know that

[0:39:04] Voice 3: was last

[0:39:05] Voice 8: week but i don't i

[0:39:06] Voice 3: don't think there was a resolution

[0:39:07] Voice 10: that was yeah um yes

[0:39:11] Voice 4: that's all i've

[0:39:13] Voice 10: got is my notes uh saying that we were getting a

[0:39:15] Voice 10: legal opinion but i don't right i don't think

[0:39:18] Voice 10: but

[0:39:18] Voice 14: i thought when we discussed the executive it was said that

[0:39:21] Voice 14: we were getting a legal opinion for the trust area as a whole

[0:39:33] Trustee Maude: we can certainly we can 20 seconds pass the motion but uh i think we're there that's okay

[0:39:39] Voice 10: i'll just start it um and i'll yeah i'll check out what's happening

[0:39:42] Voice 10: i love the church property consider removal of seniors i think you need to change

[0:39:51] Voice 10: i think

[0:39:52] Voice 10: i was wrong i

[0:39:53] Trustee Maude: think i was wrong for most when i said that

[0:39:56] Trustee Maude: but

[0:39:57] Voice 10: only children on that property

[0:40:00] Voice 10: apologies maybe teenagers okay so reasonable of the specific of specific restrictions

[0:40:07] Voice 10: restrictions to be more

[0:40:15] Voice 10: inclusive yeah even more inclusive

[0:40:20] Voice 10: that would be good

[0:40:24] Voice 10: um so this was this is an interesting

[0:40:27] Voice 11: one uh you said yeah motor vehicle and then

[0:40:31] Voice 11: so the examples began here rv which was its own specific um what

[0:40:37] Trustee Maude: we're always going is that we've

[0:40:39] Trustee Maude: identified that you're only about to have one derelict unlicensed motor vehicle in in certain

[0:40:44] Trustee Maude: certain circumstances. But we haven't said what a motor vehicle is, and there seems to

[0:40:50] Trustee Maude: be some interest in capturing within that box RVs and boats. So

[0:40:58] Trustee Maude: like having one is cool,

[0:41:00] Trustee Maude: having four is not.

[0:41:01] Trustee Maude: It

[0:41:01] Voice 11: seems to be that maybe it's more about adding more about having one of the following

[0:41:09] Voice 14: Okay, so this is

[0:41:10] Voice 10: pertaining to Derelict.

[0:41:16] Voice 10: Almost all of this will be found in other by-laws, like shipping containers or in other

[0:41:22] Voice 10: LGCs.

[0:41:23] Voice 10: Yeah, exactly.

[0:41:25] Voice 11: Okay, so here's a question for me, define tiny homes.

[0:41:28] Voice 11: So as a part of the last, the flexible housing, we did create a definition for a tiny home

[0:41:36] Voice 11: along the wheels and so is this something different from that because are are we just

[0:41:43] Voice 11: talking about a small oh so a small hand that doesn't need building yeah

[0:41:48] Trustee Maude: exactly because

[0:41:49] Trustee Maude: we keep getting told that you're not allowed you're not allowed or not allowed

[0:41:55] Trustee Maude: but we say tiny home but people are very not understanding what is what is not and

[0:42:03] Trustee Maude: i'm sure that that we have at our table um chair elliott who probably is probably the the most

[0:42:08] Trustee Maude: intelligent person within the trust as

[0:42:11] Voice 9: to

[0:42:12] Trustee Maude: what we should or should not be doing we should not

[0:42:16] Voice 9: be telling anybody what we should or shouldn't

[0:42:18] Trustee Maude: do but but we need to know what wording we need

[0:42:21] Trustee Maude: to enable so because because people are using words to disable it but

[0:42:26] Voice 10: that's not the problem

[0:42:27] Voice 10: for the tiny homes is not if the problem is that there's no licensing package that goes with the

[0:42:32] Voice 10: tiny home so we can define a tiny home on wheels as being an unregulated structure but so yeah

[0:42:40] Voice 11: right now essentially yeah tiny home wheels there's a definition right and and a tiny home

[0:42:47] Voice 11: and it's basically if it if it if it's not csa approved then it's not an rv if it's not

[0:42:55] Voice 11: not um building uh permit approved then it's not essentially it is this other thing that is not

[0:43:05] Voice 11: currently right

[0:43:07] Voice 14: so i

[0:43:08] Voice 11: think we've i think we've figured that out that's why i'm just not sure

[0:43:11] Voice 11: what is it that you're feeling it's not well

[0:43:14] Trustee Maude: i as i just i recall um uh let's put when she was

[0:43:19] Trustee Maude: before us she was saying that she was falling out of boxes with the tiny home and she purchased

[0:43:24] Trustee Maude: what

[0:43:24] Voice 11: i understand from

[0:43:26] Voice 10: her is she was able to get a building permit for her um for her

[0:43:32] Voice 11: yes tiny home

[0:43:33] Voice 11: and it was on wheels so it's still also it's because it's still on wheels it's still

[0:43:37] Voice 11: considered an rv but she so in that case and she's been able to hook up septic and water

[0:43:45] Voice 11: so and with a building permit so it's all that

[0:43:48] Voice 3: is quite i've never heard of that happening

[0:43:50] Voice 3: i'm going to

[0:43:52] Voice 10: talk to that building inspector because that is a miracle that somebody

[0:43:55] Voice 10: permitted something on wheels it was engineered and it was built to whatever code requirement

[0:44:02] Voice 10: yeah yeah

[0:44:03] Voice 13: but what the

[0:44:03] Voice 10: problem was when she meant to move it to her property having bought it

[0:44:07] Voice 10: then crd wanted

[0:44:09] Voice 13: it wanted it re-engineered wanted new plans drawn up

[0:44:13] Voice 13: through it and yeah

[0:44:16] Voice 10: but i guess that's a dilemma you know this whole concept you know art art

[0:44:21] Voice 10: bees have been around forever the whole tiny home business is relatively new um and because there's

[0:44:27] Voice 10: no standardization exactly so what what needs to happen

[0:44:31] Voice 8: is that there's enough of a push from

[0:44:33] Voice 8: community services me with my advocacy hat on not my chair okay is there's enough of a push that

[0:44:40] Voice 8: some commercial company

[0:44:42] Voice 3: will say oh there's a market for this i'm going to develop a standard

[0:44:45] Voice 3: um services you know pad with service hookup and then you design the house that fits on that pad

[0:44:53] Voice 3: and whether they're on wheels or not that pad needs to be engineered because whatever is fixed

[0:44:57] Voice 3: to the ground has to be safe so it's it's not yet at the market push

[0:45:03] Voice 10: to to demand to make it

[0:45:05] Voice 10: feasible i think for a company but it's close like it's i think we're within a couple of years

[0:45:11] Voice 10: so defining tiny homes on wheels that don't fit csa z240 or building code is kind of

[0:45:20] Voice 10: you're defining something that yeah i

[0:45:22] Trustee Maude: what i'm trying to do i'm trying to enable

[0:45:25] Trustee Maude: so so i want to just want to make sure there's nothing that with within our land use bylaws

[0:45:30] Trustee Maude: us but

[0:45:31] Trustee Maude: that somebody can say we can't do it because so we

[0:45:34] Voice 11: did go through this um with and i

[0:45:37] Voice 11: can i can i can send you the memo that i wrote at the time because i i looked into tiny home

[0:45:43] Voice 11: yeah

[0:45:43] Voice 10: it just

[0:45:44] Voice 11: is a real we just can't we just can't get past it unfortunately

[0:45:48] Voice 10: and the problem is right now so okay we say yes you can live in an rv the rv has a standard

[0:45:56] Voice 10: how can we in our land use bylaw say yes you can live on a tiny home when it's unregulated

[0:46:01] Voice 10: so the way that i think would come back to bite us in the back the fact that somebody might

[0:46:05] Voice 10: currently be and are living in them is fine because we have a policy down to enforce

[0:46:11] Voice 10: against non-permitted but for us to say yes you can live in a tiny home on wheels on wheels it's

[0:46:17] Voice 11: not regulated referring to the tiny on a task no i don't think we can do that so the only way

[0:46:23] Voice 3: how can we do that i will recognize director brandt you

[0:46:29] Voice 13: do allow people to live in rvs right

[0:46:31] Voice 3: yes

[0:46:31] Voice 13: and yet the condition of those rvs is all over the place so you're

[0:46:36] Voice 13: basically permitting

[0:46:37] Voice 13: yes it could be yeah

[0:46:39] Voice 10: but

[0:46:39] Voice 13: this

[0:46:43] Voice 10: would be adding a permitted use now of them which are obviously far better shape

[0:46:49] Voice 10: but that would be my question is can we just outright allow tiny bones on wheels if if you

[0:46:56] Voice 10: could tie it to meeting certain conditions okay so septic health and safety and there's no

[0:47:03] Voice 10: environmental uh impacts or ecological impacts perhaps yeah so the

[0:47:09] Voice 11: way that other um governments

[0:47:12] Voice 10: I've done this, the two examples I know are Ukela and Grand Forks, they've done it through

[0:47:20] Voice 10: temporary use permit.

[0:47:21] Voice 10: Right.

[0:47:22] Voice 14: So

[0:47:22] Voice 10: with temporary use permit, I think this time, where we are

[0:47:27] Voice 11: at now, by some basis of

[0:47:29] Voice 11: time, while all this stuff is being sorted out at the provincial level, at the regional

[0:47:37] Voice 11: regional level, because it is ongoing conversation and we may

[0:47:41] Voice 11: be getting close to new advice. But that's the way that that's

[0:47:46] Voice 10: the only way that I've seen it.

[0:47:47] Voice 10: So could we put them in and define it as tiny homes on

[0:47:50] Voice 10: meals are committed by a team?

[0:47:53] Voice 10: Well, that's part

[0:47:53] Voice 10: of our housing is to develop TMP

[0:47:56] Voice 10: guidelines for tiny homes on meals.

[0:47:59] Voice 10: Okay, that would be

[0:48:00] Voice 10: better to put our energies into.

[0:48:01] Voice 10: I think so. Let's do it. Go for it. Yeah, yeah,

[0:48:04] Trustee Maude: I just did. I

[0:48:07] Trustee Maude: oftentimes we try and stop this is the one where where i want to put these things

[0:48:12] Trustee Maude: not

[0:48:12] Voice 10: much

[0:48:28] Voice 13: take up and you kill it but still good yeah

[0:48:31] Voice 11: so you heal it did it for um because because

[0:48:34] Voice 11: because they've got like a, you know, a large population of workforce.

[0:48:38] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:48:41] Voice 14: And

[0:48:41] Voice 11: grant works was because after the flood.

[0:48:46] Voice 11: Yeah. And then now

[0:48:47] Voice 11: they're on there. They've got,

[0:48:49] Voice 11: they've gone past their second renewal.

[0:48:51] Voice 11: And so what they've said is they can stay where they are as long as they

[0:48:54] Voice 11: need building. Oh, so that, that will be,

[0:48:57] Voice 11: there's a bit of a education piece around

[0:48:59] Voice 10: this as well.

[0:49:00] Voice 11: So if people are building the tiny homes on chassis,

[0:49:03] Voice 11: then they can make sure that they adhere to building code.

[0:49:07] Voice 11: I mean, building code needs to change a little bit too,

[0:49:09] Voice 11: that's the problem.

[0:49:09] Voice 11: But if they are kind of adhering to building code,

[0:49:11] Voice 11: then that provides the opportunity for them to make

[0:49:15] Voice 14: potential in the future.

[0:49:20] Voice 14: Okay, so I'm gonna take the definition

[0:49:22] Voice 11: of tiny home

[0:49:23] Voice 10: off for now.

[0:49:23] Voice 10: That's just a part of our housing.

[0:49:25] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:49:27] Voice 10: So permitted livestock.

[0:49:30] Voice 11: So that's just about identifying what we've currently

[0:49:33] Voice 11: got permitted, maybe adding to the list

[0:49:35] Voice 11: or making it generic.

[0:49:36] Voice 11: Yeah,

[0:49:36] Trustee Maude: what my concern is, as you recall from the piggy gate scenario,

[0:49:41] Trustee Maude: is that we're very narrow in our definition of what livestock are

[0:49:45] Trustee Maude: because we list animal types for that.

[0:49:47] Trustee Maude: And what I think we need maybe to talk about, maybe are chickens.

[0:49:52] Trustee Maude: Because I get lots

[0:49:53] Voice 10: of inquiries about chickens.

[0:49:54] Voice 10: I mean, obviously, but it's also things like the pot-bellied pigs, miniature goats.

[0:50:02] Voice 10: So there's a fine line because we do say you have to have more than half.

[0:50:06] Voice 10: I mean, it has to be tied into lot size, too.

[0:50:09] Voice 1: So even

[0:50:09] Voice 10: though you might have five goats as your pets and your, what is that called?

[0:50:13] Voice 10: I'm not sure.

[0:50:14] Voice 10: Not your comfort nearby.

[0:50:15] Voice 10: There.

[0:50:16] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[0:50:17] Voice 10: I think we have to be careful.

[0:50:19] Voice 10: So we should look at whether there are other better policies.

[0:50:23] Trustee Maude: I'm sure there must be other LCCs.

[0:50:25] Trustee Maude: Yeah.

[0:50:26] Voice 11: I'll do that.

[0:50:26] Voice 11: I'll look at what we've got and see what else is there.

[0:50:29] Voice 11: Because maybe there's a better way.

[0:50:31] Voice 11: So

[0:50:31] Voice 3: maybe you should think that it's not AI-generated.

[0:50:37] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:50:38] Voice 10: Right now, I think we're too specific right now.

[0:50:41] Voice 10: I do

[0:50:42] Voice 10: agree it needs to be a little more generic.

[0:50:44] Voice 10: Nice.

[0:50:46] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:50:47] Voice 11: So settlement residential zone,

[0:50:50] Voice 11: increasing the number of accessory buildings on larger properties.

[0:50:54] Trustee Maude: So what we do is the settlement residential zone,

[0:50:57] Trustee Maude: we say something like on a half acre,

[0:50:59] Trustee Maude: you're allowed to have one um large and a half you're allowed to have two if you're more than

[0:51:03] Trustee Maude: four acres you're allowed to have two is it and so like there are there are larger some residential

[0:51:09] Trustee Maude: lots it just seems a little bit limiting because all because i think on almost all the other the

[0:51:16] Trustee Maude: rest of the zones it's by lot size and the number of buildings like i think i think i think like the

[0:51:22] Trustee Maude: rural is unlimited they go over five acres

[0:51:24] Voice 14: so

[0:51:25] Trustee Maude: we're just suggesting that maybe if we if we

[0:51:28] Trustee Maude: sort of jumped up say you're allowed to say tattoo per acre or something like just putting

[0:51:32] Trustee Maude: something in there that acknowledges larger lots yeah

[0:51:35] Voice 10: i'll have a look at before they interrupt

[0:51:37] Voice 10: but there's a car a white small white toyota with the lights on oh shoot oh shoot that okay

[0:51:44] Voice 10: yeah thank you very much

[0:51:59] Voice 14: You

[0:51:59] Voice 10: guys really

[0:52:03] Voice 13: love Minutia on Main Island eh? Why don't we talk about the color of the fur of

[0:52:08] Voice 13: these animals as well? Well

[0:52:09] Voice 10: the difficulties with the little things that come up in the

[0:52:13] Voice 10: course of a year then we

[0:52:15] Trustee Maude: would just because we haven't we had a portfolio that we paid

[0:52:20] Voice 10: fortunately bylaw was like i didn't see it oh my god but the

[0:52:24] Voice 10: neighbor complained but

[0:52:25] Voice 13: it wasn't it

[0:52:26] Voice 13: wasn't like what

[0:52:27] Voice 13: you do is you enforce against the neighbor you send the bylaw officer over

[0:52:31] Voice 13: but for any bylaw but if

[0:52:33] Voice 10: you saw this thing no we already went through one of those yeah

[0:52:38] Voice 10: yeah so so and the problem is that

[0:52:40] Voice 10: unlike we are a very urban we have

[0:52:44] Voice 10: tiny quarter acre lots

[0:52:46] Voice 10: we have and in the last four years i mean there's no elbow room here at all you

[0:52:52] Voice 13: have got people that

[0:52:53] Voice 13: are more like you're

[0:52:55] Voice 10: getting more urban complaints like our bylaw we already opened a bylaw number

[0:52:59] Voice 10: well i mean shocky we have got way more it's like the

[0:53:08] Voice 10: Okay,

[0:53:13] Voice 11: so okay, I will have a look at that. I'll see what's in the other zones and we can compare.

[0:53:18] Voice 11: Okay, so accessory building, I have, I assume it's a very similar thing. Is that correct?

[0:53:24] Trustee Maude: Yeah, well, yeah, it is. Certainly, if you're on a quarter acre lot, 16 and a half feet structure

[0:53:30] Trustee Maude: beside you that's a big structure

[0:53:31] Voice 14: but

[0:53:32] Trustee Maude: you know when you're on a 10 acre lot um and you're limited

[0:53:36] Trustee Maude: to 16 and a half feet it's ridiculously low been there done that it's uh and and as we saw the

[0:53:43] Trustee Maude: application today large slot and we said 16 and a half feet you know because again because other

[0:53:49] Trustee Maude: zones i think we're 29 feet almost all the other zones so okay again

[0:53:53] Trustee Maude: it might be related to lot

[0:53:55] Trustee Maude: offsize or something but let's just think about flexibility we talked about yeah

[0:54:01] Voice 11: i'll have a look

[0:54:02] Voice 11: at again look at what's in the other zone maybe because i think in that in the applicants case

[0:54:06] Voice 11: uh um there's part part partially in the rules on you're allowed the higher

[0:54:12] Voice 11: and in the upland

[0:54:14] Voice 10: you're not allowed the higher which that kind

[0:54:16] Voice 11: of doesn't make sense

[0:54:17] Voice 10: and it doesn't make sense

[0:54:20] Voice 10: that the uplands would be that restricted okay

[0:54:22] Voice 4: next

[0:54:24] Voice 11: one outhouses

[0:54:28] Voice 11: that's an interesting one so um yeah this is one i i think i would like to look into a little bit

[0:54:33] Voice 11: more because i know it's been it's gone around all over the place and um you know there's health

[0:54:38] Voice 11: related stuff

[0:54:39] Trustee Maude: certainly with our meeting with it with the the health officer kind of said well

[0:54:45] Trustee Maude: yeah it's a problem but yeah it's really not a problem so it's basically we've asked we've got

[0:54:52] Trustee Maude: to do it on the forest there but i kind of want to legitimize it because we have like to be serious

[0:54:57] Trustee Maude: we have a lot of us on this island

[0:54:59] Voice 14: and

[0:55:00] Trustee Maude: you know again you don't want to see them on somebody's

[0:55:03] Trustee Maude: like 50 foot lot but you know when you've got 20 acres you've

[0:55:08] Voice 10: got 1200 lots that are 50 or 50 feet

[0:55:11] Trustee Maude: the other side of the island okay

[0:55:13] Voice 10: but that's

[0:55:14] Trustee Maude: that's what i think a lot of

[0:55:15] Voice 10: what we're talking

[0:55:16] Trustee Maude: about here could be or

[0:55:17] Voice 10: the setback within yeah yeah

[0:55:19] Voice 10: i think you're going to think

[0:55:20] Trustee Maude: it could be

[0:55:22] Trustee Maude: as simple as saying that like again like like what we've done um with secondary sweet slot

[0:55:26] Trustee Maude: just saying that if you're with an improvement with a water system they're not permitted or

[0:55:30] Trustee Maude: something. Yeah.

[0:55:32] Trustee Maude: I'm sure

[0:55:32] Voice 11: there's other islands. Yeah.

[0:55:35] Voice 5: Perfect.

[0:55:40] Voice 10: Sorry, PC parks is is trialing a bunch of houses that do pose

[0:55:46] Voice 10: human waste.

[0:55:47] Voice 10: He did. Okay, so the next one was resource conservation zone

[0:55:53] Voice 10: remove remote permission for utilities. Again, because

[0:55:58] Trustee Maude: that

[0:56:00] Trustee Maude: is

[0:56:01] Trustee Maude: intended to be a land preservation um um zoning and there's a there's a their definition of a

[0:56:10] Trustee Maude: utility building that you can drive a truck through right they said you could put up a

[0:56:14] Trustee Maude: 10 000 square foot utility building so this is what we're just asking for sort of some sort of

[0:56:19] Trustee Maude: either remove it or limit it down to what we would think a utility building would be right so right

[0:56:24] Voice 11: now they appear as if they're way too large we allow you allowed to

[0:56:28] Voice 5: it's unlimited yeah right

[0:56:29] Voice 5: okay

[0:56:30] Voice 11: um contractor yards i know that that came up that's come up before so i have a pretty good

[0:56:37] Voice 11: sense of that one that's about

[0:56:38] Voice 10: um allowing contract here as a normal um zone is that correct

[0:56:44] Trustee Maude: well i i don't i i think that this is debate this is this this would be like a community discussion

[0:56:50] Trustee Maude: but like i would like to advance it to be saying something like could be permitted in all lots over

[0:56:56] Trustee Maude: over five acres like this was a very very broad because we if you look at the number of people

[0:57:01] Trustee Maude: that we would that fall underneath the contractors sort of umbrella on this island it's probably 50

[0:57:08] Trustee Maude: or 60 and there's only one piece of property that's permitted to have a contractor share

[0:57:13] Voice 11: yeah so that's also defined by doctors yeah

[0:57:15] Trustee Maude: so but i think you know it's it's it's one of those

[0:57:20] Trustee Maude: things i think it's a need i think now somehow we have to define and meet the need because right now

[0:57:26] Trustee Maude: Now, if somebody wanted to make a violent complaint on one of those 60 people, it's a legitimate complaint.

[0:57:32] Trustee Maude: And in most circumstances, the community doesn't have a problem with the way it's being operated.

[0:57:39] Trustee Maude: But right now, they're technically all illegal.

[0:57:42] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:57:43] Voice 10: And I agree, because if you've got the local plumber, basically the yard fills up with plumbing stuff.

[0:57:49] Voice 10: So I think we need to find more clearly, okay, if I'm an electrician plumber, then that all needs to be restored within.

[0:57:56] Voice 10: structure yeah so i think it's you know an x number of vehicles so do i come home to my

[0:58:02] Voice 10: five acre one acre block with my dump truck my excavator my bobcat etc etc so so because we are

[0:58:10] Voice 10: becoming very urban very built out we need to be more specific about just what you can have

[0:58:17] Voice 10: as an

[0:58:18] Voice 10: operation in your it's a storage area you're not

[0:58:21] Voice 10: working there but there's a lot of stuff

[0:58:22] Voice 10: being stored so septic tanks machines and

[0:58:27] Voice 14: i don't

[0:58:28] Voice 10: know that the five acre i think it's more about

[0:58:30] Voice 10: you know what is acceptable within a residential property versus it being screened i think that

[0:58:37] Voice 10: was more specific but we've never really addressed the fact that it's a home occupation

[0:58:41] Voice 10: maybe we fall under home occupation but must be totally screened so we've never ever talked about

[0:58:48] Voice 10: about what all these businesses are doing.

[0:58:52] Voice 10: Right.

[0:58:54] Trustee Maude: So because they're critical to our community

[0:58:57] Trustee Maude: and we don't want to do anything to drag them away,

[0:59:00] Trustee Maude: but they do need to be regulated.

[0:59:02] Trustee Maude: Yeah, exactly.

[0:59:04] Voice 10: You just need to lay down what the rules are

[0:59:06] Voice 10: for all the stuff that you have sitting in your front yard

[0:59:09] Voice 10: and they're so at the top of the road here.

[0:59:13] Voice 10: That's going to be lots of fun.

[0:59:16] Voice 10: Okay, yeah.

[0:59:17] Voice 10: So it sounds like there's a bit of a conversation

[0:59:18] Voice 10: I wanted to say like some of these topics we redid our land use by lot many years ago like

[0:59:26] Voice 10: for every single line by line through our advisory planning commission so my suggestion is some of

[0:59:32] Voice 10: these bigger meatier topics which would could go to them if there's sort of a rough you know

[0:59:37] Voice 10: these are some of the ideas with especially contract insurance yeah do you know which one

[0:59:42] Voice 10: now because then we can make the recommendation in the next step I mean you

[0:59:47] Voice 10: can also identify

[0:59:48] Voice 10: Well,

[0:59:48] Trustee Maude: let's go through the list, then maybe we can

[0:59:49] Trustee Maude: go back and play.

[0:59:52] Voice 11: Okay, so the agricultural hall properties, creating a separate zone that addresses setbacks.

[1:00:00] Trustee Maude: Yeah, again, it's just, it's a community thing, it's a historical thing.

[1:00:05] Trustee Maude: Basically speaking, if you go to any of the buildings on the Ike properties, it's here and across the road.

[1:00:09] Trustee Maude: Like literally, like the front of the wall of the Ike Cultural Hall is the property line.

[1:00:16] Voice 14: The

[1:00:16] Trustee Maude: back is the property line.

[1:00:18] Trustee Maude: Across the road, the museum's on the property line.

[1:00:20] Trustee Maude: So basically what I'm suggesting is we look at creating a zone, a special zone, call it whatever you want.

[1:00:27] Trustee Maude: And then literally it'd be a zero setback.

[1:00:30] Trustee Maude: because basically it reflects historic reality but also it allows these groups to do things

[1:00:36] Trustee Maude: like fill the handicapped round legally because we're because they're already pushing all the

[1:00:42] Trustee Maude: lines already but now our setbacks are causing great bureaucratic grief and again what is that

[1:00:50] if we put it forward to be a community meeting we'll pursue the community says i don't think

[1:00:54] Trustee Maude: anybody will raise one word of objection because it's just meets community expectations i know

[1:01:01] Trustee Maude: planners are just going to say no you can't but um well i

[1:01:05] Trustee Maude: mean yeah you

[1:01:05] Voice 11: know the one like this is a

[1:01:08] Voice 11: very a very uh like there's a lot of traffic the sony are highly trapped roads so that would be

[1:01:15] Voice 11: one of the problems this isn't currently

[1:01:17] Voice 11: i mean looking at the road runways with respect and if

[1:01:22] Voice 11: they if that is adequate enough to provide the people they did for safety considerations then

[1:01:27] Voice 14: that i

[1:01:28] Trustee Maude: got me because the thing is literally as i say the front of the museum the front wall that

[1:01:35] Trustee Maude: that building is on the parking lane right the

[1:01:38] Trustee Maude: front of this building is on the front so those

[1:01:39] Trustee Maude: are the two buildings fronting the busy road so they're hopefully never ever going to change

[1:01:44] Trustee Maude: then

[1:01:45] Voice 9: why why bother creating a zoning if it would only affect these two buildings that you already

[1:01:48] Voice 9: have because

[1:01:50] Trustee Maude: every time they want to do something they're told they're there within the setbacks

[1:01:53] Trustee Maude: they're going to get variances like we've done two variances on the first floor alone and we're

[1:01:56] Trustee Maude: looking at third now okay

[1:01:58] Voice 11: so i'll bring a map i'll bring a map of these properties so we can

[1:02:02] Voice 11: have a look at where the setbacks are okay

[1:02:05] Voice 10: yeah um oh yeah the thrift store um just changing that's

[1:02:12] Voice 10: an easy one just changing it to look like i continue forever at the thrift store or for

[1:02:17] Voice 10: community service use um first of all watercraft what's that well

[1:02:23] Trustee Maude: where i come up with that is that

[1:02:25] Trustee Maude: we say that you're not allowed to sell or store personal watercraft on the island and we when we

[1:02:33] Trustee Maude: have a definition in there and i'm just going really do we is it really is it a problem anywhere

[1:02:40] Trustee Maude: i know i know personal watercrafts are on the water there are some people who don't like them

[1:02:45] Trustee Maude: buzzing around at nine miles an hour but the fact that you've got it stored in your garage

[1:02:50] Trustee Maude: do it is it really and it's from a land use perspective or main island perspective

[1:02:55] Trustee Maude: active do we really need to be regulating right it's it's it's like telling somebody you can't

[1:03:01] Trustee Maude: have a dirt pack or you can't have a mountain bike because you drive you ride on the trail

[1:03:06] Trustee Maude: we don't like to ride on trails it just seems to me we're overreached to it but that regulation

[1:03:10] Voice 11: might be about how it's written right so like probably you don't want to see everybody's

[1:03:15] Voice 10: you know vote on the front of their poverty but if it's those perhaps yeah okay yeah

[1:03:21] Trustee Maude: i just thought

[1:03:23] Trustee Maude: but that's the one thing i remember going that just makes

[1:03:26] Voice 14: no sense to me because i don't see

[1:03:28] Voice 14: it's a problem um

[1:03:32] Voice 4: um property adjacent to bc ferries change

[1:03:36] Voice 10: the building to accommodate

[1:03:37] Voice 10: communities so

[1:03:38] Trustee Maude: so basically well because right now it's so residential so obviously we should

[1:03:42] Trustee Maude: be changing it to a pc various type zoning right and and i was suggesting that because

[1:03:49] Trustee Maude: pc fairies have no plans for it that we basically tagged something into that saying

[1:03:55] Trustee Maude: community use. What I have in back of my mind is things like pickleball courts, something like that, you know, or say that somebody wanted to have a fair there or something, because it's a large piece of vacant land, and so it would just accommodate any sort of low-impact community use if it came along, because PCPari seem to be very open to having that used for other purposes.

[1:04:18] Voice 10: Okay, I'll have a look and see if there's, with what we have currently of our community services,

[1:04:28] Voice 14: And

[1:04:29] Trustee Maude: my only other item that I want to tag on what I talked to you about was this concept.

[1:04:35] Trustee Maude: I think there are two minutes when you do a subdivision.

[1:04:40] Trustee Maude: That's the property line.

[1:04:41] Trustee Maude: a lot of line between

[1:04:42] Voice 14: neighbors oh i'm the chairman of trouble

[1:04:47] Voice 3: you're chairing right now

[1:04:48] Voice 3: it's that

[1:04:49] Voice 3: when

[1:04:52] Trustee Maude: you do a lot line adjustment between neighbors yeah it's considered it's

[1:04:58] Trustee Maude: being at the full subdivision and you have to go through all the full subdivision with with

[1:05:03] Trustee Maude: in

[1:05:03] Voice 9: talking

[1:05:05] Trustee Maude: to director sermac he says there is an easy thing that we can put it within our land

[1:05:10] Trustee Maude: used by a while that would define that lot line adjustment as not being a subdivision

[1:05:18] Trustee Maude: and it seemed the way he explained this came up at denver um and it just seemed like a really

[1:05:24] Trustee Maude: really the way he explained it is it's really simple and really smart and he'd done it he was

[1:05:29] Trustee Maude: with the california regional district and he'd done the violence long he says it's really not

[1:05:34] Trustee Maude: too bad because to me doing a lot of adjustment between neighbors is something we really want to

[1:05:39] Trustee Maude: encouraged especially when we're making we're taking three laws to make them into two laws

[1:05:44] Trustee Maude: and and i i it's like it's it's smart planning it's smart everything so let's take the barriers

[1:05:51] Trustee Maude: down because having gone through a subdivision i know it's not easy

[1:05:55] Voice 10: sense of mantra can i tell

[1:05:57] Voice 10: you we take the barriers down yes okay

[1:06:00] Voice 10: i can have a look at that great

[1:06:04] Trustee Maude: now custody oh

[1:06:06] Voice 10: yes so the one

[1:06:08] Voice 10: I had been forgetting but it's important being on Hornby Island and it's in their OCP so these are

[1:06:14] Voice 10: LUB amendments but this would be an OCP they have a on and I'll email this to you but it's it's 6.1.8

[1:06:22] Voice 10: and it's the local trust committee encourages all landowners to discuss proposed development

[1:06:28] Voice 10: and other land use activities with neighbors at an early stage of planning and this is I'm thinking

[1:06:34] Voice 10: speaking never mind the housing fiasco also oceanwood so and the same thing for tups is

[1:06:40] Voice 10: strongly encouraged you to talk to your neighbors prior to applying so i would like to see us get

[1:06:46] Voice 10: that language and people don't pay attention but we can try i

[1:06:51] Voice 10: call this a minor lub

[1:06:52] Voice 11: otp and just

[1:06:53] Voice 11: limit it to actually very simple things like that it just means that the approval will i mean that

[1:06:59] Voice 11: I mean, that won't change the tool or the LUB review

[1:07:03] Voice 10: won't change on that.

[1:07:05] Voice 10: I mean, the

[1:07:07] Voice 10: other thing is we can just include it in the housing.

[1:07:11] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:07:12] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:07:13] Voice 10: It's just one of those, I was just saying, even though we specifically say talk to the LUB.

[1:07:18] Voice 10: I think it's probably a better thing to just flag.

[1:07:20] Voice 10: We're going to be doing a number of OCP.

[1:07:23] Voice 10: obviously yeah no

[1:07:24] Trustee Maude: and for the ocp although our first

[1:07:27] Trustee Maude: nations acknowledge that's

[1:07:29] Voice 11: still the other

[1:07:29] Voice 11: question right like we could you could decide that we do want to do a couple of small amendments in

[1:07:35] Voice 11: the ocean the first nations we've already drafted it right the acknowledgement so we can bring that

[1:07:40] Voice 11: after that as part of the minor and you know my thoughts being it's a first step right i mean

[1:07:48] Voice 11: there's lots of work to be done and and there's an opportunity to change it but right now

[1:07:53] Voice 11: the language in your ocp that is probably offensive to prestige so we can we can remove

[1:08:00] Voice 11: that language and we can put in a simple acknowledgement statement and then work

[1:08:05] Voice 11: i was

[1:08:07] Trustee Maude: just so frustrated we couldn't do it last time so

[1:08:09] Voice 11: okay i'll add that okay and i'll bring

[1:08:12] Voice 11: bring back what we've drafted before and then you can see um the um the other question uh with ocp

[1:08:21] Voice 11: is there is um the crd land um and i just started having i just had a first conversation with the

[1:08:27] Voice 10: parks planner about that um

[1:08:30] Voice 11: he did he did send me an email this morning saying that um

[1:08:34] Voice 11: um um they won't know until the end of the summer like they might be changing the area that's

[1:08:43] Voice 11: undefined that they want undefined right now that in their plan they have identified which areas

[1:08:47] Voice 11: parking is undefined area which could be affordable housing or water utility wants to use it um but

[1:08:53] Voice 11: he said they've had uh discussions with the water district and the water district is interested

[1:08:58] Voice 11: listed potentially in something that's higher up that what's already been identified may not be

[1:09:04] Voice 11: suitable so they might need to redefine their area so i mean the way that i would see that is

[1:09:11] Voice 11: if it if it if it works for our process we could consider that would be a consideration is to just

[1:09:17] Voice 11: um call that um we zone the portion that if they figured out which part portion this part

[1:09:23] Voice 11: that would be fairly straightforward um um so we can just we can have i'll just hold it hold it as

[1:09:29] Voice 11: an ongoing conversation maybe for

[1:09:31] Trustee Maude: you to to to put you in the bad cop role could could we leverage

[1:09:37] Trustee Maude: like c to c of say to crd that we would like them to like look into providing lands for housing

[1:09:44] Voice 11: as

[1:09:44] Trustee Maude: part of this whole reason about

[1:09:46] Voice 11: this is that it opens up a conversation

[1:09:49] Trustee Maude: So you can say the trustees are very interested in

[1:09:51] Voice 11: being

[1:09:53] Trustee Maude: amenable to what they want to do.

[1:09:56] Trustee Maude: I think

[1:09:56] Voice 11: it's a great little leverage point because you could say, because right

[1:10:01] Voice 11: now you have like so St John's Point is going to come back to us.

[1:10:04] Voice 10: Because

[1:10:04] Voice 11: you've already been very clear that needs to go through zoning.

[1:10:08] Voice 11: You could also

[1:10:08] Voice 11: say we

[1:10:09] Voice 10: can

[1:10:12] Voice 11: just do a

[1:10:12] Voice 10: minor adjustment if you give us what we want.

[1:10:17] Voice 10: you're going

[1:10:18] Voice 13: to get my support

[1:10:19] Voice 13: it

[1:10:19] Voice 10: makes sense

[1:10:21] Trustee Maude: it's an amenity

[1:10:23] Trustee Maude: and I think it's a huge amenity

[1:10:26] Trustee Maude: because the biggest barrier

[1:10:29] Trustee Maude: to housing right now is land acquisition

[1:10:30] Trustee Maude: it's a financial barrier

[1:10:32] Trustee Maude: and it's a reality

[1:10:34] Trustee Maude: and if we can somehow obtain

[1:10:36] Trustee Maude: some land for somebody

[1:10:38] Trustee Maude: to do something with

[1:10:40] Trustee Maude: through a process

[1:10:42] Trustee Maude: I think we really should put our energy into it

[1:10:45] Voice 11: you still need a body that's going to hold that left yeah well

[1:10:49] Voice 11: and again i think now's

[1:10:50] Voice 11: the opportunity to um um you know be having that conversation with um with security i'm having that

[1:10:57] Voice 11: conversation with justin um and uh and they're beginning to have that conversation internally

[1:11:03] Voice 11: with all the departments around that the use of that land so it's this

[1:11:08] Voice 10: is the time

[1:11:10] Voice 10: yeah

[1:11:10] Trustee Maude: no we're very

[1:11:12] Trustee Maude: pleased to have director brent's endorsement

[1:11:20] Voice 10: talk to

[1:11:22] Voice 13: those ladies out there he said they've never seen such a shambles of a meeting

[1:11:39] Voice 10: yeah so are there other things you know this is your final moment to say

[1:11:45] Voice 10: you know

[1:11:46] Trustee Maude: all the meetings of emails

[1:11:47] Trustee Maude: i just somehow

[1:11:48] Voice 10: i mean you can't add it does

[1:11:51] Voice 10: mean you can't add more things

[1:11:53] Voice 11: i mean it would be preferable for you not that i mean the

[1:11:58] Voice 11: thing is if

[1:11:59] Voice 11: you add more things once

[1:12:01] Voice 11: we get going it just means that the housing project starts later no

[1:12:06] Trustee Maude: it just means you

[1:12:06] Trustee Maude: work on saturdays and get it done it should

[1:12:10] Voice 10: be very preoccupied so the ones i think that

[1:12:13] Voice 10: if you're given they have to have some the apc should be dealing with yes that will save your

[1:12:19] Voice 10: workload i'm hoping yeah but they also need some direction so the patios i think patios yeah

[1:12:25] Voice 10: they consider that permitted livestock livestock yeah okay um

[1:12:30] Voice 10: the accessory building type okay

[1:12:33] Voice 10: contractor's yard and the personal personal weathercraft i don't think about yeah yeah

[1:12:39] Trustee Maude: yeah

[1:12:39] Voice 10: but i think that that's the kind of you know the opinion from the apc on these areas

[1:12:44] Voice 10: as to whether how they should be known just

[1:12:47] Voice 14: do it you know that's a stupid well

[1:12:49] Voice 10: that was that

[1:12:49] Voice 10: you mean the watercraft one yeah yeah well yeah

[1:12:52] Voice 10: i'm not quite sure where that one came from this

[1:12:55] Voice 10: is we haven't

[1:12:56] Voice 13: somebody doesn't like pwc's

[1:12:58] Voice 10: you

[1:12:59] Voice 13: don't but

[1:13:00] Voice 10: it's becoming yeah it's becoming a bit

[1:13:03] Voice 10: issues so so it wouldn't hurt to have the utc okay anything else those were the ones you can

[1:13:09] Voice 11: also think about it and and you can let me know by email if there's ones that you'd like me to

[1:13:13] Voice 11: just private and there'll also be an opportunity at next meeting to

[1:13:16] Voice 10: like more over the place so

[1:13:19] Voice 10: a lot of this is just going to be kind of like shipping between oh there's yeah some of it's

[1:13:24] Voice 10: pretty pretty straightforward what would you will say are the top say three or four for you that if

[1:13:30] Voice 10: we should get them done oh

[1:13:32] Voice 14: well the morning

[1:13:32] Voice 10: boys i really think you have to tackle the working boys

[1:13:36] Voice 10: the um yeah i guess that's really the thing

[1:13:41] Trustee Maude: yes it's a lot of it's just housekeeping yeah yeah

[1:13:43] Voice 10: the morning voice is going

[1:13:44] Voice 10: to be a big yes i

[1:13:46] Voice 9: don't think

[1:13:48] Trustee Maude: it's

[1:13:50] Voice 9: limited to this ltc i think

[1:13:51] Voice 9: we could actually wait to see what comes out of there janine

[1:13:54] Voice 13: can you not recall that linda adams

[1:13:56] Voice 13: talked about zoning morning

[1:13:59] Voice 9: boys yeah

[1:14:00] Voice 13: and what they did not want to they said they believe they

[1:14:04] Voice 13: have the unstressed yeah that 400

[1:14:07] Voice 10: meters right yeah

[1:14:09] Voice 13: the reality is is they don't want to test

[1:14:10] Voice 13: it because right now

[1:14:12] Voice 13: they can use it as moral suasion yeah right um but if they test it they're

[1:14:19] Voice 13: concerned they're going to lose it

[1:14:21] Voice 10: or lose the ability

[1:14:23] Voice 13: they have to

[1:14:24] Voice 14: lose the moral situation

[1:14:25] Voice 14: right or you have by a lot of say you got to move that yeah so say i'm curious for history

[1:14:34] Voice 14: but

[1:14:35] Voice 10: the problem we're getting is a huge amount of density around all of these space with all

[1:14:43] Voice 10: these like the fellow here with all these marine boys and they want urban rules and regulations

[1:14:52] Voice 13: but

[1:14:52] Trustee Maude: the reality is is that the morning boy is supposed to be put in as for the water

[1:14:57] Trustee Maude: waters there's supposed to be in a special location supposed to be having phone numbers on

[1:15:01] Trustee Maude: the whole thing and that's not what's happening so the feds are slipping

[1:15:07] Voice 13: transport canada

[1:15:09] Voice 13: is a responsible agency period yeah

[1:15:13] Trustee Maude: so if transport was doing the job we probably would

[1:15:16] Trustee Maude: have these concerns but but then we get into this whole thing what can be tied to a warning

[1:15:20] Trustee Maude: and

[1:15:21] Voice 10: how many floats can you type in then

[1:15:23] Voice 13: it becomes a navigation hazard

[1:15:25] Voice 13: yeah so

[1:15:28] Trustee Maude: it is like i think it's muddy waters

[1:15:31] Voice 10: but at least if we're clear and go back to our

[1:15:34] Voice 10: public saying this is what this is who's responsible this is the rules around morning

[1:15:39] Voice 10: boys this is what can or can't be and so you have to go after them we will support you in going

[1:15:44] Voice 10: after them but at this point to me i've heard that this is great and this gets going to tie

[1:15:50] Voice 10: into liveaboards at some point yeah and in

[1:15:53] Voice 10: portland bay you can see it being walled more

[1:15:55] Voice 10: with reports you're

[1:15:56] Voice 13: going to need a 20-year transport canada yeah

[1:15:58] Trustee Maude: because but of course

[1:16:00] Trustee Maude: my memory is coming back to me now because i believe what i requested was that this

[1:16:11] Trustee Maude: few discussion of trust council in september

[1:16:13] Voice 14: and

[1:16:15] Trustee Maude: and the part that was where the legal opinion

[1:16:17] Trustee Maude: came and said we will get legal paid in time for the september meeting

[1:16:21] Trustee Maude: so we're going to have a trust council meeting that's i think i think that's what comes just

[1:16:25] Trustee Maude: coming back to me can

[1:16:26] Voice 10: i get one at this time september september september okay that was a

[1:16:30] Trustee Maude: topic i i had brought up

[1:16:32] Voice 3: specifically mooring boys not live awards yeah right but

[1:16:35] Voice 14: it's processed yeah

[1:16:39] Trustee Maude: um so do you need motions now or is there any more discussion yeah

[1:16:43] Voice 10: i i got motions if you if

[1:16:44] Voice 10: there aren't anything i don't think you want to i'm

[1:16:47] Trustee Maude: going ahead um i moved that may not look across

[1:16:50] Trustee Maude: the requested staff developer project charter the 2023 island main island ocp and that luv

[1:16:57] Trustee Maude: minor amendment project as

[1:16:59] Voice 10: as as amended or do you need that or no that's fine

[1:17:07] Voice 8: okay uh all those in favor that's carried and

[1:17:12] Trustee Maude: i will move it may now local custom

[1:17:13] Trustee Maude: request staff to include topics identified by by the ltc at the june 26 23 ltc regular meeting in

[1:17:20] Trustee Maude: the ocp and lup minor amendments project second

[1:17:23] Voice 10: second and any further discussion all those in

[1:17:27] Voice 10: favor uh this cherry we have a project uh our channel is happy okay

[1:17:34] Voice 4: we have a reason

[1:17:36] Voice 10: i've got many this is on the low end

[1:17:41] Voice 5: the

[1:17:41] Voice 10: work of the island's trust is not a reason

[1:17:44] Voice 10: to live it's just letting me say

[1:17:47] Voice 10: that's not what i said welcome

[1:17:49] Voice 8: we will

[1:17:50] Voice 9: see

[1:17:51] Voice 8: awesome great report thank

[1:17:55] Voice 10: you for the summary

[1:17:55] Voice 10: Thank you for all the, you know, any details of where the loss is.

[1:18:01] Voice 3: We did want to talk about Wooddale, but that's a new business.

[1:18:05] Voice 3: But can we bring that up actually to talk about it now?

[1:18:09] Voice 3: Sure.

[1:18:09] Voice 3: Just because I want

[1:18:11] Voice 10: to push the reports further down and keep Director Brett with us.

[1:18:15] Voice 10: A

[1:18:16] Trustee Maude: little bit longer.

[1:18:16] Trustee Maude: And he wants to know more about Wooddale.

[1:18:18] Voice 10: I think he does.

[1:18:19] Trustee Maude: It's in his wheelhouse.

[1:18:20] Trustee Maude: It's

[1:18:20] Voice 10: in his wheelhouse.

[1:18:21] Voice 10: or something and also if we get through the lub amendments is it possible that addressing wooddale

[1:18:27] Voice 10: might be the next project well

[1:18:31] Trustee Maude: let's talk okay thank you for reminding me because that was my

[1:18:35] Trustee Maude: other topic so we're

[1:18:37] Trustee Maude: too late i know but we're we're putting wood down on the on the thing

[1:18:41] Trustee Maude: i can

[1:18:42] Trustee Maude: open with this wondering if we could talk um within the um project is it too big

[1:18:50] Trustee Maude: to do something with the red zone properties to to to basically add a further definition

[1:18:58] Trustee Maude: to restrict habitation i

[1:19:01] Voice 10: didn't see it so

[1:19:01] Voice 14: my idea of it right now is is that just

[1:19:08] Voice 14: generally through enforcement you could you could remove all habitation if

[1:19:13] Voice 10: that's the intention so

[1:19:15] Voice 10: far it hasn't happened okay well can

[1:19:17] Voice 14: i read this

[1:19:17] Voice 10: letter first and then make

[1:19:19] Voice 10: a motion first okay

[1:19:20] Voice 10: Okay, so this is like the third letter.

[1:19:22] Voice 10: This is my third written communication concerning the redstone.

[1:19:26] Voice 10: After the second letter last November, I was informed, and this is by me phoning her,

[1:19:29] Voice 10: that there would be a meeting between Trust CRD and Island Health to deal with the situation.

[1:19:34] Voice 10: I haven't got there.

[1:19:35] Voice 10: After this meeting, I was further informed the issue was complicated, which is fair enough,

[1:19:40] Voice 10: but now two more lots have been purchased from their original storage lot owners.

[1:19:44] Voice 10: One of these lots has been developed in a tiny home install, which is actually that monkey.

[1:19:50] Voice 10: I fear that continued inaction will result in more properties to be developed and more people will believe that it is safe to live in the red zone.

[1:19:57] Voice 10: I hope that someone is not injured or killed before you take this issue seriously.

[1:20:01] Voice 10: It should be a pious priority. I don't know if the various agencies involved have any legal liability if something terrible happens.

[1:20:09] Voice 10: Please do something now before it becomes ever more complicated.

[1:20:12] Voice 10: Kathy Barber, 285 Wooddale, Maine Island.

[1:20:15] Voice 10: So I'll give that to you for the record.

[1:20:17] Voice 10: And I want to make a motion that we seek a legal opinion on the status of Maine Island Local Trust Committee in view of the zoning, residential zoning that has remained on Red Zone Watts on Wooddale Drive for many, many years.

[1:20:38] Voice 9: So legal opinion.

[1:20:39] Voice 9: I

[1:20:39] Voice 10: think we need legal opinion.

[1:20:40] Voice 10: I think we need to know what is our legal responsibility.

[1:20:43] Voice 10: though we know that the CRD won't issue building permits in my 20 years we've never been asked to

[1:20:49] Voice 10: take away the right to resident to use these properties some of them have had homes on them

[1:20:55] Voice 10: some still have homes on them so we need the legal opinion clarity about what is our position

[1:21:01] Voice 10: can

[1:21:03] Voice 3: I just ask why can we not down down zone

[1:21:05] Voice 10: I'm not good willing to down zone anybody those people

[1:21:08] Voice 10: that you

[1:21:09] Voice 3: know what you actually can't

[1:21:10] Voice 10: whoa you

[1:21:11] Voice 11: can down i know you

[1:21:12] Voice 11: can you you can't you actually

[1:21:14] Voice 11: can't um you can't you can download you can download a property that's allowed say 10 units

[1:21:19] Voice 11: to allowing for one you can't take the way that um the regulation um what it allows for it it

[1:21:27] Voice 11: doesn't allow for you to take all value out of a property so you can't you can't you can't down

[1:21:33] Voice 11: zone from a residential

[1:21:35] Voice 10: property to a park for example because you're taking away but my

[1:21:38] Trustee Maude: understanding was the red zone that specific the properties are red not yellow they cannot be

[1:21:45] Trustee Maude: legally occupied unless

[1:21:48] Voice 10: they've got done the work no

[1:21:50] Trustee Maude: pretty yellow that's

[1:21:51] Voice 10: for the yellow right for

[1:21:52] Trustee Maude: red i understood there was that's an absolute no-fly zone period no

[1:21:56] Voice 10: they just cannot get a

[1:21:58] Voice 10: building permit so it's a limbo it was left in limbo people

[1:22:01] Voice 10: were already living on those lots

[1:22:03] Voice 10: where this happened this happened when people had built houses on those lots and have been living

[1:22:08] Voice 10: on those lots for years some of them not living well but they've been living occupying those lots

[1:22:13] Voice 10: there's nothing new about that so

[1:22:14] Voice 14: we never

[1:22:15] Voice 10: so we need a legal opinion on just what is our

[1:22:19] Voice 10: responsibility for these 20 odd lots in the red zone in terms of allowing unbridled whatever

[1:22:28] Voice 10: whatever. Because

[1:22:29] Trustee Maude: we haven't been successful

[1:22:30] Trustee Maude: in file enforcement.

[1:22:32] Voice 10: Well, we haven't tried.

[1:22:34] Voice 10: No, do not enforce.

[1:22:36] Voice 10: Like I said, I think you could

[1:22:39] Voice 10: remove everything there.

[1:22:41] Voice 10: Well, I think what we're

[1:22:42] Voice 10: able to do as well as what the COD

[1:22:45] Voice 10: is doing. We need

[1:22:45] Voice 10: the legal opinion first.

[1:22:47] Voice 10: But yes, so that you

[1:22:48] Voice 10: have...

[1:22:49] Trustee Maude: And probably

[1:22:50] Trustee Maude: the biggest understanding, our liability.

[1:22:52] Voice 10: Both

[1:22:53] Trustee Maude: as a trust

[1:22:54] Voice 10: and a person.

[1:22:55] Voice 10: We have a new liability.

[1:22:57] Voice 10: Yeah, because speech

[1:22:58] Voice 10: 20 years who knows it's

[1:23:00] Trustee Maude: more than 20 years because i i look at a trailer and i look at it at a boulder

[1:23:06] Trustee Maude: the size of the trailer five feet beside the trailer and you know i'm going somebody could

[1:23:14] Trustee Maude: get killed

[1:23:14] Voice 10: responsibility you want to talk

[1:23:18] Voice 10: about your moral responsibility and the landowner that's

[1:23:21] Voice 10: living there also knows this people

[1:23:24] Voice 13: take risks particularly people that are don't have the

[1:23:27] Voice 13: ability to pay for regular actually

[1:23:29] Voice 10: that's not true the people buying them up are like local

[1:23:31] Voice 10: realtors and people that only these are people that have been here a long time they're not just

[1:23:37] Voice 10: down and out i don't know why they're choosing that but and a lot of it's just out of ignorance

[1:23:42] Voice 10: of what the situation could be and there's houses there's houses there

[1:23:48] Voice 14: real estate people

[1:23:49] Voice 13: both surely

[1:23:50] Voice 14: they can do that they

[1:23:51] Voice 10: bought them recently yeah

[1:23:54] Voice 14: well not

[1:23:56] Voice 10: marketing doesn't

[1:23:58] Voice 11: either how do they understand or they're not but

[1:24:02] Trustee Maude: to be very generic like most of the red

[1:24:04] Trustee Maude: stones on lots the last 20 years have been bought and sold by people who are pirate sellers

[1:24:10] Voice 10: and it's all privately yeah but you know we're also looking at the situation now you know are

[1:24:16] Voice 10: you said you're going to go to mr so-and-so who has paid money for that land put a trailer on it

[1:24:23] Voice 10: and it's outhouse on it and now you're going to tell him he's got to move out this is somebody's

[1:24:27] Voice 10: been here for like 40 plus years so

[1:24:30] Trustee Maude: that's what i want to say i want to understand because

[1:24:32] Trustee Maude: my

[1:24:33] Voice 5: concern

[1:24:35] Trustee Maude: is it's a liability it's not about a moral it's just not anything it's just you know

[1:24:39] Trustee Maude: if the rock fall comes down and watches because i didn't do something well

[1:24:43] Voice 10: liability goes away

[1:24:45] Voice 10: so maybe that's what we have to do

[1:24:49] Voice 10: sorry what was that put

[1:24:51] Voice 13: a notice on title

[1:24:52] Voice 10: i think the notice and that would be another

[1:24:55] Voice 10: question there must be notices on title at those properties they should

[1:25:01] Trustee Maude: all have raised

[1:25:01] Trustee Maude: problems yeah

[1:25:02] Voice 10: you would know that there

[1:25:03] Voice 5: isn't a real

[1:25:04] Voice 10: choice there is there are teams there

[1:25:07] Voice 10: are subjects there they don't have to take any property impacts on that i

[1:25:11] Voice 7: don't think there's

[1:25:12] Voice 7: anyone buying those

[1:25:12] Voice 10: lots not knowing that it's red so okay is that yeah so is there anything

[1:25:22] Voice 10: else

[1:25:22] Voice 3: that we wanted to discuss with

[1:25:24] Voice 9: so

[1:25:25] Voice 3: sorry this is just for the legal

[1:25:27] Voice 3: opinion okay

[1:25:28] Voice 10: so your

[1:25:29] Voice 10: resolution if we can read it back because i'm a little lost that the um may not involve the

[1:25:35] Voice 10: trust committee request a legal opinion for responsibility life slash liability regarding

[1:25:42] Voice 10: regarding residential zoning on Wooddale Drive within Redstone thank

[1:25:46] Voice 3: you seconded by Trustee

[1:25:49] Voice 3: Maude so thank you for the discussion is there anything else um

[1:25:54] Trustee Maude: we're still working towards a

[1:25:56] Trustee Maude: meeting with the other

[1:25:58] Trustee Maude: side

[1:26:00] Voice 8: thank you that's carried and so what else was yeah

[1:26:06] Voice 10: so that's

[1:26:09] Voice 10: something that's sort of an ongoing conversation with myself and like kayla um because part of it

[1:26:13] Voice 10: is just really trying to figure out what we're talking about right so um enforcement because

[1:26:18] Voice 10: i mean the last conversation you know we had the conversation around our hookups and yes you know

[1:26:24] Voice 10: and that the water district has you know they're they are they understand that they're not they're

[1:26:29] Voice 10: not picking up anything in the red zone so that's good so that was something that came out of that

[1:26:33] Voice 10: whatever that one's called um

[1:26:35] Voice 11: but it's really nailing down what it is what what what are we

[1:26:39] Voice 11: talking about right i mean i think this legal opinion may be a good start and then that may

[1:26:45] Voice 11: bring us back to discussing

[1:26:46] Voice 10: moving forward and

[1:26:50] Voice 11: and like i said i mean i talked to um warren a

[1:26:53] Voice 11: bit about it last week and um it does seem like i mean if you wanted to clear people out of there

[1:26:59] Voice 11: you could I mean you might you might be challenging with the with the person who's

[1:27:04] Voice 11: hooked up to water and septic in the red zone that would be a challenge because our bylaws say

[1:27:10] Voice 11: you can't be there in trailer with water and septic but if they have no water

[1:27:14] Voice 10: then

[1:27:15] Voice 11: that's allowing us to enforce um and like from the from the CRDs could be enforcing on

[1:27:23] Voice 11: um um you know just the whatever the wording is so they're they're they're there's the ability

[1:27:31] Voice 11: to clear stuff out of there but it's you know that whole

[1:27:36] Voice 10: discussion of how does that

[1:27:39] Voice 10: fly with those who are in that area

[1:27:45] Voice 10: and then going back to the concept of making that a development permit area

[1:27:49] Voice 10: out um but they can't get a building permit so why would how would you force anybody to get a

[1:27:57] Voice 10: any other kind of permit well again like do we need to go through the through that because

[1:28:05] Voice 10: they're already

[1:28:05] Voice 11: from my perspective i think

[1:28:09] Voice 14: you know and i can you know have some more

[1:28:10] Voice 14: conversations but it seems like from an enforcement perspective our side in terms of

[1:28:17] Voice 14: any side there is the ability to move move things out of here so

[1:28:22] Voice 4: yeah

[1:28:23] Voice 14: i mean i guess

[1:28:24] Voice 11: um

[1:28:25] Voice 10: you don't

[1:28:27] Voice 11: need to build a building

[1:28:27] Voice 10: no and that's where that money could

[1:28:30] Voice 10: have the storage but you can't live in

[1:28:33] Voice 10: but you can't live in an accessory so that's where our yeah yeah yeah no

[1:28:37] Trustee Maude: so to me you could have the

[1:28:40] Trustee Maude: bullet discussion comes with liability discussion if legal comes back and says that we're reliable

[1:28:46] Trustee Maude: then we have the discussion with moving people out if the latest just uh this uh discussion

[1:28:52] Trustee Maude: comes back and says there's no liability don't worry about it then yeah maybe status quo stays

[1:28:59] Trustee Maude: but it's just it's so high on my radar because i see the danger i understand the danger and i

[1:29:05] Trustee Maude: and before i work in business this liability attached because if you know something about

[1:29:12] Trustee Maude: something and you don't do something about it and somebody dies you're responsible so i just i i

[1:29:19] Trustee Maude: need to have something from the lawyer saying yes you are that i'll do something or no you're not

[1:29:23] Trustee Maude: but i'm okay whatever yeah

[1:29:25] Voice 9: yeah it's so tricky because you would think that the liability

[1:29:29] Voice 9: follows the title which would

[1:29:31] Voice 10: be included in disclosure at the sale of the law but they're

[1:29:36] Voice 10: all private sales like probably just cash none of these are done through meals the

[1:29:42] Voice 13: assessed value

[1:29:44] Voice 10: is

[1:29:45] Voice 13: like nineteen thousand dollars for those nineteen eighteen

[1:29:48] Voice 13: thousand twenty thousand

[1:29:49] Voice 13: you go across the road to the yellow zone uh three hundred thousand

[1:29:54] Voice 13: yeah yeah the

[1:29:55] Voice 13: same size lot but

[1:29:56] Voice 13: it's it's recognized that there's

[1:30:00] Voice 13: impact and

[1:30:00] Voice 10: they've been considered recreational ones too that's the other they're considered

[1:30:04] Voice 10: so when you talk about people living there to my knowledge and i'm down there at least once a week

[1:30:09] Voice 10: there's only alex in with the old house and the fellows that live in the house with a nice garden

[1:30:16] Voice 10: those are the only two people i'm aware of that live there full time the others come and go they're

[1:30:20] Voice 10: very transient the trouble is we're not looking at and like the letter writer said you know in

[1:30:26] Voice 8: the

[1:30:26] Voice 10: future there's this is trouble brewing in the horizon as land becomes more scarce whatever is

[1:30:32] Voice 10: available will only increase value so i think the liability question is totally valid i hope it's

[1:30:38] Voice 10: not a wild goose chase that generally well i mean once we find out our legal position yeah decide

[1:30:45] Voice 10: what okay we've never done that once

[1:30:48] Voice 3: we get that back we can decide if it's a project or how we

[1:30:52] Voice 3: moving forward or what's what's to be done.

[1:30:55] Voice 10: Anything further on the deal? No? Great. Active

[1:31:02] Voice 10: projects report, future projects list, and parent's report.

[1:31:13] Voice 3: Yay! You want to hear from

[1:31:15] Voice 3: me i cut my hair i cut all my dreads off i'm trying to conform

[1:31:22] Voice 3: i want

[1:31:24] Trustee Maude: to come back

[1:31:25] Voice 3: it'll

[1:31:26] Voice 10: be a while this last set i had for seven years so the headlights

[1:31:30] Voice 14: give

[1:31:30] Voice 10: me a little actually no don't

[1:31:35] Voice 8: invite headlights um so trust council is coming up

[1:31:39] Voice 8: Tomorrow,

[1:31:40] Voice 10: we'll be welcoming

[1:31:41] Voice 8: you fine folk to the Fair Isle of Gabriola for three days of fun and games.

[1:31:48] Voice 8: We'll try to do some business, but that's generally water

[1:31:51] Voice 10: sports will predominate.

[1:31:53] Voice 10: Last person in the ocean buys the drinks.

[1:31:58] Voice 10: So what?

[1:31:59] Voice 10: Bring your bathing suit.

[1:32:01] Voice 3: Bring your, no, bathing suit is optional.

[1:32:05] Voice 10: Could you see?

[1:32:09] Voice 8: I take out my contacts before I do this with me, so you're all very beautiful, Max.

[1:32:17] Voice 8: Great.

[1:32:18] Voice 8: You all look like boring boys.

[1:32:23] Voice 8: I will

[1:32:24] Voice 3: say there is some work that I did do this month.

[1:32:29] Voice 3: This month was very low on meetings, which is unusual.

[1:32:33] Voice 3: But I am on the Regional Planning Committee's housing working group.

[1:32:37] Voice 3: and we got the chance to review uh the

[1:32:41] Voice 10: toolkit that staff has been working on there is a chadwick

[1:32:44] Voice 10: and jason yeomans who sadly left this

[1:32:49] Voice 3: for a week um but he so this was a um the request

[1:32:55] Voice 3: because of the workforce and housing crisis declared by last trust council and to put money

[1:33:01] Voice 3: forward to developing this uh toolkit because we had this auxiliary planner to really focus on the

[1:33:09] Voice 3: work uh honestly he's done excellent work both of you like huge commendations i was super impressed

[1:33:17] Voice 3: what it did was give us basically the compendium of all the definitions approaches um different

[1:33:24] Voice 8: planning policies that are being tried in different ltcs have been tried and really organized

[1:33:30] Voice 8: everything and just like what is it a nine or ten tool toolkit yeah that then it's it's it's not like

[1:33:39] Voice 8: regional planning committee is going to create housing out of this but it's available to ltcs

[1:33:43] Voice 8: if

[1:33:43] Voice 3: you're doing a housing project here's some templates here's um what you might want to

[1:33:49] Voice 3: consider in your ocp uh changes or lub changes so things like alternative

[1:33:53] Voice 8: homes that don't have

[1:33:56] Voice 8: have any fit definition, but putting that flexibility into your OCP so that when things

[1:34:03] Voice 8: get firmed up around these different types and forms of housing, you can pull those,

[1:34:09] Voice 8: you

[1:34:09] Voice 10: can pull those boards. So that was really exciting. I'm very excited about that.

[1:34:15] Voice 8: Gabriel is LTC meeting. Yes, that was good. I don't know. There's really nothing else to report.

[1:34:22] Voice 8: I've been very busy, but it's been a great month.

[1:34:27] Voice 8: I

[1:34:27] Voice 10: have moved.

[1:34:29] Voice 10: My entire life has moved thanks to you.

[1:34:35] Voice 4: Moving on, trustees.

[1:34:37] Voice 10: What have you got going on?

[1:34:39] Trustee Maude: Well, we just survived the Heavenly Music Festival, our DUP.

[1:34:45] Trustee Maude: It was well done, well conducted.

[1:34:50] Trustee Maude: Kudos all around to the organizers who basically do something

[1:34:54] Trustee Maude: very phenomenal very amazing and they have a huge impact on a piece of property for two days

[1:34:59] Trustee Maude: and it goes back to being a farm

[1:35:01] Voice 14: it's

[1:35:01] Trustee Maude: just i think if you drive by right now there's probably

[1:35:05] Trustee Maude: one little 10 by 10 10 left and that's about it they get everything set up everything goes back

[1:35:13] Trustee Maude: really really close that was

[1:35:14] Trustee Maude: great um as mentioned earlier on friday we had the unveiling of the

[1:35:19] Trustee Maude: hit the house pole um that was a great community event um brought a lot of people together so we're

[1:35:25] Trustee Maude: doing good but

[1:35:26] Voice 9: how many people attended do you know i

[1:35:28] Trustee Maude: would say well around wow it

[1:35:31] Trustee Maude: was it was

[1:35:31] Trustee Maude: the field was

[1:35:33] Trustee Maude: full of people oh

[1:35:34] Voice 9: wonderful did anyone take a video or there

[1:35:37] Trustee Maude: was a full video

[1:35:38] Trustee Maude: crew there oh

[1:35:39] Voice 9: so great um there

[1:35:40] Trustee Maude: should be something i assume on youtube yeah

[1:35:43] Voice 9: but there are

[1:35:44] Trustee Maude: there are videographers there doing the whole thing oh that's great

[1:35:48] Trustee Maude: um and then and of course

[1:35:50] Trustee Maude: we have our um annual event of uh bc fairies overloading and causing all sorts of grief but

[1:35:56] Trustee Maude: you know it is what it is and um until director brent's wife does something about it we just have

[1:36:04] Trustee Maude: to live with it

[1:36:08] Voice 14: oh you

[1:36:09] Voice 10: get extra points for how many shots you can make a director

[1:36:12] Voice 10: but you know it's coming

[1:36:20] Voice 10: so i attended the mad hatter tea party which was a fundraiser dating to for the daycare center

[1:36:28] Voice 10: the important part again about our daycare centers i'm amazed the the people that worked to create

[1:36:37] Voice 10: the food and the organize and create costumes were not the parents they were the older generation

[1:36:43] Voice 10: all islanders have taken over basically the board and are making sure that funds that are raised

[1:36:51] Voice 10: are and the labor that goes into that is is done by people who who are outside of the immediate

[1:36:57] Voice 10: daycare needs but i recognize so it's just right and it was a really cool adventure they did a

[1:37:02] Voice 10: great job of it um i also attended it was what they call community connections a local resident

[1:37:08] Voice 10: sort of organized um breakfast session to talk about issues on the island so the last one i

[1:37:15] Voice 10: went to was to do in a health center because of course our health center health care system is

[1:37:20] Voice 10: struggling and so sort of an update on our health care association plans for the future how to reach

[1:37:27] Voice 10: But they're also working with Galeano, Centurion, Maine, are trying to work more collaboratively

[1:37:34] Voice 10: how to enhance the services we have here.

[1:37:37] Voice 10: Because with the increase of our populations, the difficulty of getting staffing, and they're

[1:37:44] Voice 10: struggling for volunteers and looking for sort of a younger generation to move in and

[1:37:49] Voice 10: help them out at the health center board level.

[1:37:53] Voice 10: Our difference from the other islands is that our health center is owned by our improvement district.

[1:37:59] Voice 10: So the funding is quite different for our health center.

[1:38:02] Voice 10: So that's what I was at, and I think that was it for me.

[1:38:06] Voice 10: Oh, and of course, another dear our dear meeting was with actually somebody who's who is works with the Dogwood Initiative and is a fourth generation Japanese family member from Main Island.

[1:38:19] Voice 10: and it was about actual what we should do about actual real hunting and suggestion of looking for

[1:38:25] Voice 10: funding from the crd for us for a storage area for processing and cooling and the thought that

[1:38:32] Voice 10: maybe if we had facilities here we could actually increase the interest in hunting specifically with

[1:38:38] Voice 10: first nations we're going to have places to hang and store so it was good that was kind of gather

[1:38:43] Voice 10: us so so the calendar committee continues we actually have a management plan that michael

[1:38:49] Voice 10: patrick made us a management plan that jesse could just take it wow so we have some very very

[1:38:55] Voice 10: clever people in our uh alabama committee very dedicated so that's exciting thank

[1:39:01] Voice 8: you for all

[1:39:02] Voice 8: your work on

[1:39:02] Voice 10: that that's uh i'm

[1:39:05] Voice 8: dean and see me thank you i

[1:39:07] Voice 10: have a bunch of grandchildren

[1:39:08] Voice 10: children they're very very sad situation um yes we've arrived at 13.8

[1:39:28] Voice 10: your moments

[1:39:33] Voice 13: let all the public in on what we've been doing

[1:39:36] Voice 13: did you attend the tea party

[1:39:38] Voice 10: did you come to the tea party

[1:39:40] Voice 13: yeah they had

[1:39:41] Voice 10: bubbles we attended i

[1:39:43] Voice 13: attended all the stuff

[1:39:44] Voice 13: so i did attend a health clinic meeting of the various health clinics

[1:39:49] Voice 13: and just to try to to see what we could do together collaboratively and so the one thing

[1:39:56] Voice 13: we're going to try to do is um at the crd the southern gulf islands pay somewhere what probably

[1:40:05] Voice 13: probably over $7 million in the last decade

[1:40:08] Voice 13: to support hospitals, okay?

[1:40:11] Voice 13: So we have the Capital Regional District Hospital Corporation

[1:40:19] Voice 13: and so we provide funding to Island Health.

[1:40:22] Voice 13: So they taxed us over 7 million bucks.

[1:40:25] Voice 13: What have we got for it?

[1:40:27] Voice 13: Not a red cent.

[1:40:29] Voice 13: So I've asked the various health clinics

[1:40:33] Voice 13: if they would provide me a list of their capital projects

[1:40:36] Voice 13: so that we have a list to give to Island Health

[1:40:39] Voice 13: to say, we want these on your five-year capital

[1:40:43] Voice 13: and no more excuses.

[1:40:45] Voice 13: So that's what we're doing there.

[1:40:47] Voice 13: And then I said, can I please stay

[1:40:48] Voice 13: for the rest of the meeting?

[1:40:50] Voice 13: And one of the ladies from Saturnus said, no, no.

[1:40:54] Voice 13: This is just a very ad hoc group

[1:40:57] Voice 13: and we all know

[1:40:58] Voice 13: each other and we all like each other.

[1:41:00] Voice 13: So you're not welcome.

[1:41:07] Voice 10: and I went

[1:41:08] Voice 10: I'm

[1:41:09] Voice 13: out of here beautiful day like it is today I'm gonna go I was gonna give up a

[1:41:13] Voice 13: couple hours of my time I'm happy thank you very

[1:41:16] Voice 13: much so

[1:41:17] Voice 10: how are the how are the health centers

[1:41:19] Voice 10: funded on the other islands they're strictly they're

[1:41:22] Voice 13: all property tax based okay so they get

[1:41:25] Voice 13: some a little bit of

[1:41:26] Voice 13: funding from island health so

[1:41:28] Voice 10: like our improvement district taxes us like

[1:41:30] Voice 10: for the helicopter yep and they

[1:41:32] Voice 13: also tax you for the building for

[1:41:34] Voice 10: the building and for the

[1:41:35] Voice 13: maintenance of

[1:41:35] Voice 10: the building so we're basically paid double because we're paid into the crd health

[1:41:40] Voice 10: they're not getting that many back no

[1:41:43] Voice 13: not really because all the other islands are the same in the

[1:41:47] Voice 13: same position right yeah and so main island would would qualify for that because you know you're

[1:41:56] Voice 13: you're paying into the hospital district okay right uh yeah but we're

[1:42:01] Voice 10: not getting you know

[1:42:02] Voice 13: the other thing is we have to we're going to go to island health and say excuse me not only did

[1:42:07] Voice 13: do we want some we want you to recognize we paid for these facilities in the first place

[1:42:13] Voice 13: islanders built them right they're maintaining right they're using property tax to maintain them

[1:42:19] Voice 13: to staff them to do all this other stuff it's time that we get some of that money thank you very much

[1:42:26] Voice 13: We also wanted to talk to them about issues around mental health

[1:42:32] Voice 14: and housing, but they said, no, we'll

[1:42:37] Voice 13: do that at a future meeting.

[1:42:40] Voice 13: My principal objective is to focus on housing, long-term solutions, medium-term solutions, stuff like we're looking at temporary use permits.

[1:42:51] Voice 13: it's we're looking at having some kind of an inspection program to in this moving very slowly

[1:42:58] Voice 13: we're supposed to have a staff report and a legal opinion we already sent back one staff

[1:43:03] Voice 13: that said we can't do anything so i could not so now they're they're coming back with another

[1:43:09] Voice 13: another one to see what we can do with temporary use limits so

[1:43:12] Voice 10: for instance say we got the end of

[1:43:15] Voice 10: the glen echo park at the end of

[1:43:17] Voice 10: woodland where there would be water which is really important

[1:43:20] Voice 10: and it's crd land and crd not bring in some modular units for housing for

[1:43:28] Voice 10: with is that something that they would

[1:43:29] Voice 14: yes it's something okay like

[1:43:31] Voice 10: i'm thinking very simple

[1:43:33] Voice 10: you know single person modular type housing so we

[1:43:36] Voice 10: could take the people out of the trailers that

[1:43:38] Voice 10: they're forced from one

[1:43:40] Voice 13: of the problems being knows that the crd model is to put up money

[1:43:43] Voice 13: and then and then get matching funds okay right from bc housing or whatever and as we all know

[1:43:53] Voice 13: we don't qualify very well on that because

[1:43:56] Voice 10: we're small a little bit

[1:43:58] Voice 13: four units versus 50 units

[1:44:00] Voice 13: we don't

[1:44:00] Voice 13: get no sewer no city water you know where's your active transportation where's your

[1:44:08] Voice 13: transit how far is your transit blah blah blah so justine as you narissa knows is working on a

[1:44:15] Voice 13: a rural strategy that we're soon to push through the board and once we do that and i've also been

[1:44:24] Voice 13: heavily involved in changing our bylaws so that we can increase taxes to everybody and come up with

[1:44:33] Voice 13: another 85 million bucks okay really

[1:44:36] Voice 10: is that

[1:44:38] Voice 10: going through that alternate approval process

[1:44:40] Voice 10: it

[1:44:40] Voice 13: is going to be on the islands yeah we tried to we tried to increase southern gulf islands

[1:44:47] Voice 13: victoria and sanich tried to increase our last taxes last look by i think it was going to be

[1:44:54] Voice 13: about 20 bucks property yeah we have voted down by all the other oh

[1:44:58] Voice 10: it's

[1:45:01] Voice 13: kind of funny

[1:45:01] Voice 13: please it'll

[1:45:02] Voice 10: be nice if that pull it with me on on a per capita basis then we've got to share

[1:45:07] Voice 10: even if we the community got to share to do some sort of a project right

[1:45:14] Voice 14: gotta be concrete

[1:45:17] Voice 14: okay okay as far as i'm concerned it's gotta be concrete but

[1:45:22] Trustee Maude: and the reality is that what always

[1:45:24] Trustee Maude: comes on our radar is having a pre-commanded because they don't have yeah

[1:45:28] Voice 10: and they don't

[1:45:29] Voice 10: get any funding no government funding so yeah so

[1:45:34] Voice 13: i wrote a briefing paper that got in front of

[1:45:37] Voice 13: abby and robbie kahan the minister of housing and anna kang and anna kang said oh yeah well

[1:45:44] Voice 13: we know there's an issue but we're not going to change it thank you if

[1:45:48] Voice 10: we were able to actually

[1:45:49] Voice 10: see a project proceed with habitat for humanity on maine and we came back to say at crb and said

[1:45:55] Voice 10: we need money for the septic and the water treatment that wouldn't go because it might go

[1:46:00] Voice 13: okay it's under community

[1:46:02] Voice 13: works i'd like it to go into regional housing right

[1:46:07] Voice 13: whichever which way what

[1:46:09] Voice 9: projects typically go under regional housing

[1:46:11] Voice 9: be

[1:46:13] Voice 13: your conventional kind of uh housing project like multi-units

[1:46:18] Voice 13: multi-unit yeah although we're

[1:46:20] Voice 13: trying to put secondary suites and you know basically align with the with the flex housing

[1:46:26] Voice 13: that you guys have have done that's the alignment

[1:46:30] Voice 10: and um so justine and i have been talking about

[1:46:33] Voice 13: that's what happens when these two characters work together right yeah they actually collaborate

[1:46:37] Voice 13: yeah

[1:46:38] Voice 10: so the if we receive the cmhc funding that we'll be applying okay then um

[1:46:46] Voice 11: this is what Justine's looking at.

[1:46:49] Voice 11: She's referring to it as a pilot of the pilot

[1:46:52] Voice 11: on our Southern Gulf Islands.

[1:46:54] Voice 11: It's small, and that would be looking

[1:46:56] Voice 11: at the ADU subsidy program.

[1:46:58] Voice 11: There's potentially an opportunity to have a discussion

[1:47:00] Voice 10: about providing services for our habitat project.

[1:47:05] Voice 10: Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[1:47:07] Voice 10: Is that all, Kennedy, if we get that?

[1:47:08] Voice 10: So it all happens.

[1:47:10] Voice 10: Like,

[1:47:11] Voice 11: this is our unfortunate jurisdictional existence

[1:47:13] Voice 11: because we think we need to rely on the CRD and the great fortune we have is we have Justine

[1:47:21] Voice 11: who's worked for us before yeah

[1:47:23] Voice 10: and we have Paul the

[1:47:24] Voice 11: islands and we have Paul and Gary

[1:47:25] Voice 11: so yeah

[1:47:26] Voice 3: two videos okay I would like to make a motion that we have an insurance policy on you

[1:47:31] Voice 3: and Justine Stark so that if you ever ever

[1:47:34] Voice 3: tell or take it away we're

[1:47:37] Voice 13: in a good place right now

[1:47:38] Voice 13: the organizations are working together very well

[1:47:41] Voice 13: great people yeah

[1:47:43] Voice 3: awesome super duper thank you director Brent is there anything else how are

[1:47:49] Voice 3: your puppies I have

[1:47:51] Voice 3: a

[1:47:54] Voice 13: 14 year old and I have a six year old um

[1:47:55] Voice 3: are they both six trustee

[1:47:58] Voice 13: middleton gave me

[1:47:58] Voice 3: the impression that your puppies were ill and trustee

[1:48:01] Voice 13: middleton likes

[1:48:02] Voice 13: to make some outrageous stories I

[1:48:05] Voice 3: thought there was a little of this

[1:48:06] Voice 3: going

[1:48:06] Voice 13: where was that so

[1:48:07] Voice 14: the word appears

[1:48:11] Voice 3: i was ready

[1:48:13] Voice 3: to do a crowdfunding crowdsource funding for this one apparently you don't need

[1:48:17] Voice 3: that okay

[1:48:18] Voice 3: um island stress conservancy report i really don't have it oh well we do have an

[1:48:24] Voice 8: election coming up at trust council um the seat that is vacant um grant scott stepped down so

[1:48:31] Voice 8: So there will actually be an election.

[1:48:33] Voice 3: There's a second person who's turning forward.

[1:48:37] Voice 3: So we

[1:48:38] Voice 13: put their name forward.

[1:48:39] Voice 10: Lisa Goverill-Galeano.

[1:48:43] Voice 14: And who else?

[1:48:44] Voice 14: Christy Boland.

[1:48:45] Voice 10: Boland.

[1:48:49] Voice 14: Yeah,

[1:48:50] Voice 8: there will be upcoming meetings.

[1:48:52] Voice 8: We've got the next scheduled meeting for the final day of July 2023 in

[1:48:59] Voice 10: this very location.

[1:48:59] Voice 10: patient i keep requesting to be outside but yeah a

[1:49:02] Voice 8: lot more apparently

[1:49:03] Voice 10: the ocean would like then

[1:49:06] Voice 10: not so much the staff report but the actual design of it can we get a hard copy mailed out

[1:49:12] Voice 9: before it's really

[1:49:13] Voice 10: hard on the computer to figure out the layout of it so if that's possible you

[1:49:18] Voice 10: know we even even a few days before it's fine but definitely before our meeting yeah yeah was there

[1:49:25] Voice 10: Is there anything that I promised to do in this meeting that I have probably forgotten?

[1:49:32] Voice 10: I think

[1:49:35] Voice 13: if you say you're gonna run it efficiently letter

[1:49:37] Voice 3: from ltc chairs.

[1:49:38] Voice 3: No, it's gonna be from you regarding the study experiments.

[1:49:41] Voice 3: You're doing that part we're in process with housing.

[1:49:44] Voice 3: not okay good oh they're regarding the lead actually sorry back to you did have a question

[1:49:50] Voice 3: about the letter to park's commission regarding the removal of the huckleberry um

[1:49:59] Voice 3: the

[1:49:59] Voice 13: staff would have been a real easy simpler way to do it

[1:50:02] Voice 13: chopping down on the tree yeah because and caitlin vernon and shauna hookaluck

[1:50:12] Voice 13: fully aware of all that they went through all the stuff they had to do with

[1:50:16] Voice 13: wasonic leadership council they followed all the protocols so we've had a number of complaints from

[1:50:24] Voice 13: that particular person go direct to wasonic leadership council there's been some inaccuracies

[1:50:31] Voice 13: and what that has done is got

[1:50:33] Voice 13: Twixonic all wound up.

[1:50:35] Voice 13: That has to go in,

[1:50:37] Voice 13: settle everything down, tell them

[1:50:39] Voice 13: exactly what happened.

[1:50:41] Voice 13: So this is a little sensitivity

[1:50:43] Voice 13: around that particular verse.

[1:50:45] Voice 10: But I do have to say

[1:50:47] Voice 10: Cotton Park is

[1:50:49] Voice 10: unique.

[1:50:50] Voice 13: Yeah, we know that.

[1:50:54] Voice 14: We know that.

[1:50:55] Voice 13: That's why we have our

[1:50:57] Voice 13: archaeologists. Well, yes,

[1:50:58] Voice 10: Harold Jo Kahn.

[1:51:01] Voice 13: They have been there.

[1:51:03] Voice 13: lot and

[1:51:04] Voice 10: that there's no markings no recognition of you know there's there's no it's a potential

[1:51:11] Voice 13: so that's really the responsibility uh main island parks and recreation commission

[1:51:19] Voice 13: so that's where you need to make your your pitch but

[1:51:24] Voice 14: it is a consideration

[1:51:27] Voice 14: and I brought it up before, for having

[1:51:31] Trustee Maude: First Nations go manage that part.

[1:51:34] Voice 13: We're trying to do that overall everywhere, but First Nations have so little capacity right now,

[1:51:41] Voice 13: because everyone is asking them to do absolutely everything, so we're moving slowly on all of that.

[1:51:48] Voice 13: But I would think

[1:51:50] Trustee Maude: there could be funding attached to that, because they do have an interest.

[1:51:54] Trustee Maude: and just because to me there's cotton park and there's st john point park could i just say

[1:52:01] Trustee Maude: like first nation should be intimately involved in every aspect that happens there

[1:52:04] Trustee Maude: including management it's

[1:52:07] Voice 13: all going to come it's coming but it's also

[1:52:09] Voice 13: going to come at a cost

[1:52:12] Voice 3: so what i'm hearing is it would have been better to address this through staff just for starters

[1:52:19] Voice 13: is you want

[1:52:20] Voice 3: to make a personal

[1:52:20] Voice 13: point and send a letter that's a good thing if staff can't resolve

[1:52:24] Voice 13: it yeah but

[1:52:27] Voice 3: we'll say that the letter that staff did for me was better than the one that i started

[1:52:31] Voice 3: out with so i'm still learning in this

[1:52:33] Voice 13: i mean it just would have been as simple as narissa going

[1:52:35] Voice 13: yeah i

[1:52:36] Voice 13: think maybe that's not appropriate for you narissa but i think it is phoning justine and say

[1:52:40] Voice 13: hey this is what we're hearing is this sounds pretty bad can you check it out and then justine

[1:52:46] Voice 13: would have either connected you to caitlin and shauna

[1:52:49] Voice 14: or okay

[1:52:51] Voice 4: point ticket thank you yeah i mean

[1:52:55] Voice 14: but if you hadn't been to the

[1:52:56] Voice 13: meeting you

[1:52:58] Voice 10: don't

[1:52:59] Voice 13: come to any marketing i don't think

[1:53:01] Voice 10: a point to

[1:53:02] Voice 10: show

[1:53:02] Voice 3: up with streamers a kate you

[1:53:05] Trustee Maude: show me what you're meaning where it says david yeah local

[1:53:10] Trustee Maude: across it is on the agenda for a report on your crd board i will look at it oh

[1:53:14] Voice 10: nice challenge

[1:53:16] Voice 10: all right we

[1:53:19] Voice 3: need to close the meeting it is 3 34 let's get out of the sunshine

[1:53:22] Voice 3: thank you everybody motion to adjourn thank you bye members

[1:53:29] Voice 13: of the public